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Title: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 - 11/16/10
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 06, 2010, 11:52:27 PM
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Case/NatbirdStephany2.gif)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE AND STEPHANY!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 24, 2010, 08:31:15 PM
 ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 24, 2010, 08:33:05 PM
helloooooooooo did i do it?? Crap I'll get fired


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 24, 2010, 08:34:13 PM
helloooooooooo did i do it?? Crap I'll get fired


It worked good for me!   ::MonkeySkate::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: San on October 24, 2010, 08:34:18 PM
You did it Nut.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 24, 2010, 08:34:26 PM
helloooooooooo did i do it?? Crap I'll get fired


No pink slip for you, Nut!!  No way, Jose!   ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 24, 2010, 08:35:20 PM
You did it Nut.
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 24, 2010, 08:37:01 PM
jesushcristnowonderiamamental case


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 24, 2010, 08:37:30 PM
I hereby dedicate this thread to Natalee coming home! Somehow, Someway........... Let it be so!!!

And may Joran never feel at home again as long as he lives!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 24, 2010, 08:38:41 PM
jesushcristnowonderiamamental case

youjustneedtoflingsomemonkeypoo!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 24, 2010, 08:41:14 PM
::dogwag::  ::MonkeyBike:: ::MonkeyBike:: ::MonkeyBike:: ::dogwag::

Just driving by  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 24, 2010, 08:41:35 PM
I hereby dedicate this thread to Natalee coming home! Somehow, Someway........... Let it be so!!!

And may Joran never feel at home again as long as he lives!


 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 24, 2010, 08:45:30 PM
wow........ ::rhino:: I did it and I want answers..... REAL answers.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 24, 2010, 08:47:47 PM
wow........ ::rhino:: I did it and I want answers..... REAL answers.

Thank you Nut44x4!   ::MonkeyCool::

I want real answers too!   ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 24, 2010, 08:48:05 PM
Send the POS home with me........I have ways I can torture that are not allowed by means of legal matters......hurry though, my home is for sale.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 24, 2010, 09:51:13 PM
I was just wondering why the multiple posts about Steph Watts/Tim Miller being posted here, when we have them in the partial transcripts threads http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8625.msg1235937#msg1235937
 WATT'S UP WITH THIS? STEPH WATTS & TIM MILLER 9/19/2010 (PARTIAL) TRANSCRIPT

So far there are six posts with excerpts from the partial transcripts texasmom posted by Janet and no discussion.   :2thinky:



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2010, 10:02:13 PM
I was just wondering why the multiple posts about Steph Watts/Tim Miller being posted here, when we have them in the partial transcripts threads http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8625.msg1235937#msg1235937
 WATT'S UP WITH THIS? STEPH WATTS & TIM MILLER 9/19/2010 (PARTIAL) TRANSCRIPT

So far there are six posts with excerpts from the partial transcripts texasmom posted by Janet and no discussion.   :2thinky:



Just reminders.  Maybe the excerpts of Tim Miller's words ... words that undermine the mother of Natalee Holloway ... will provoke a discussion.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 24, 2010, 10:10:20 PM
I was just wondering why the multiple posts about Steph Watts/Tim Miller being posted here, when we have them in the partial transcripts threads http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8625.msg1235937#msg1235937
 WATT'S UP WITH THIS? STEPH WATTS & TIM MILLER 9/19/2010 (PARTIAL) TRANSCRIPT

So far there are six posts with excerpts from the partial transcripts texasmom posted by Janet and no discussion.   :2thinky:



Just reminders.  Maybe the excerpts of Tim Miller's words ... words that undermine the mother of Natalee Holloway ... will provoke a discussion.

Janet

Thank you for explaining Janet.  After reading the transcripts and after the discussions we've already had about Tim Miller in regard to his interview with Steph Watts, I think there's no use rehashing it.  Tim said what he said and it's on record for all to see/hear.  He should explain himself and I think he owes some apologies.  Other than that, to me trying to discuss it is (http://bestsmileys.com/oneofakind/1.gif)  JMHO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 24, 2010, 10:15:51 PM
I was just wondering why the multiple posts about Steph Watts/Tim Miller being posted here, when we have them in the partial transcripts threads http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8625.msg1235937#msg1235937
 WATT'S UP WITH THIS? STEPH WATTS & TIM MILLER 9/19/2010 (PARTIAL) TRANSCRIPT

So far there are six posts with excerpts from the partial transcripts texasmom posted by Janet and no discussion.   :2thinky:



Thanks MuffyBee, I was wondering the same.  Why would anyone want to repeat that crap when we've already discussed, cussed, and rediscussed it extensively?  Talk about salt in a wound!  And the manner it was done in just seems like a promotion of it to me.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::   JMO 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 24, 2010, 10:16:25 PM
I was just wondering why the multiple posts about Steph Watts/Tim Miller being posted here, when we have them in the partial transcripts threads http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8625.msg1235937#msg1235937
 WATT'S UP WITH THIS? STEPH WATTS & TIM MILLER 9/19/2010 (PARTIAL) TRANSCRIPT

So far there are six posts with excerpts from the partial transcripts texasmom posted by Janet and no discussion.   :2thinky:



Just reminders.  Maybe the excerpts of Tim Miller's words ... words that undermine the mother of Natalee Holloway ... will provoke a discussion.

Janet

Thank you for explaining Janet.  After reading the transcripts and after the discussions we've already had about Tim Miller in regard to his interview with Steph Watts, I think there's no use rehashing it.  Tim said what he said and it's on record for all to see/hear.  He should explain himself and I think he owes some apologies.  Other than that, to me trying to discuss it is (http://bestsmileys.com/oneofakind/1.gif)  JMHO


Sorry to quote myself, but let me add you are of course free to quote or try to provoke discussion, Janet.    I just wondered why the multiple posts and you explained to me why you did that.  I wouldn't want to rehash it, but others might, so I hope my opinion/comments won't discourage anyone.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 24, 2010, 10:21:36 PM
I was just wondering why the multiple posts about Steph Watts/Tim Miller being posted here, when we have them in the partial transcripts threads http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8625.msg1235937#msg1235937
 WATT'S UP WITH THIS? STEPH WATTS & TIM MILLER 9/19/2010 (PARTIAL) TRANSCRIPT

So far there are six posts with excerpts from the partial transcripts texasmom posted by Janet and no discussion.   :2thinky:



Thanks MuffyBee, I was wondering the same.  Why would anyone want to repeat that crap when we've already discussed, cussed, and rediscussed it extensively?  Talk about salt in a wound!  And the manner it was done in just seems like a promotion of it to me.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::   JMO 

We were posting at the same time texasmom.  JINX!  I personally don't want to go over that debacle again, but others might.   :smt102   I actually thought at first when I saw the multiple posts in regard to the Steph Watts/Tim Miller transcripts in the discussion thread, they were being posted here in error and were meant to go into the transcript thread and that's why I asked why there were 6 posts and no discussion. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 24, 2010, 10:32:33 PM
I was just wondering why the multiple posts about Steph Watts/Tim Miller being posted here, when we have them in the partial transcripts threads http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8625.msg1235937#msg1235937
 WATT'S UP WITH THIS? STEPH WATTS & TIM MILLER 9/19/2010 (PARTIAL) TRANSCRIPT

So far there are six posts with excerpts from the partial transcripts texasmom posted by Janet and no discussion.   :2thinky:



Thanks MuffyBee, I was wondering the same.  Why would anyone want to repeat that crap when we've already discussed, cussed, and rediscussed it extensively?  Talk about salt in a wound!  And the manner it was done in just seems like a promotion of it to me.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::   JMO 


Thanks from me too.  I wonder the same.
I don't need reminding.  I have read it all over and over again.
It made me ill the first time and it still makes me sick.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 24, 2010, 10:37:20 PM
I was just wondering why the multiple posts about Steph Watts/Tim Miller being posted here, when we have them in the partial transcripts threads http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8625.msg1235937#msg1235937
 WATT'S UP WITH THIS? STEPH WATTS & TIM MILLER 9/19/2010 (PARTIAL) TRANSCRIPT

So far there are six posts with excerpts from the partial transcripts texasmom posted by Janet and no discussion.   :2thinky:



Just reminders.  Maybe the excerpts of Tim Miller's words ... words that undermine the mother of Natalee Holloway ... will provoke a discussion.

Janet

Thank you for explaining Janet.  After reading the transcripts and after the discussions we've already had about Tim Miller in regard to his interview with Steph Watts, I think there's no use rehashing it.  Tim said what he said and it's on record for all to see/hear.  He should explain himself and I think he owes some apologies.  Other than that, to me trying to discuss it is (http://bestsmileys.com/oneofakind/1.gif)  JMHO

Very well stated!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: kpg on October 24, 2010, 10:39:17 PM


It's tired and worn out.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 24, 2010, 10:40:22 PM
I moved the posts into their own thread.  I am asking why Janet is posting them.  I don't like the sound of it and I won't allow it in this thread.  

I checked to see if her account had been hijacked but it looks like it's her.


Edited to add:  I see where Janet was just wanting to stir up conversation.  My problem is each quote of hers sounded like SHE was complaining about Beth.  I don't think that was Janet's intention.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 24, 2010, 10:42:14 PM


It's tired and worn out.

Hi kpg.  I think we are at that place again where we don't have any news or updates on Natalee's case nor on Stephany's.  It's good to try to keep the discussion and the cases alive.  I was searching earlier today for news, but didn't find anything. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 24, 2010, 10:44:40 PM
I moved the posts into their own thread.  I am asking why Janet is posting them.  I don't like the sound of it and I won't allow it in this thread. 

I checked to see if her account had been hijacked but it looks like it's her.


Thank you Klaas.  I was trying to be diplomatic and not attack but I wanted to know why those six posts were here.  They didn't sound all that nice, and as far as wanting to "provoke discussion", all it really did was provoke me. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 24, 2010, 10:49:21 PM
I moved the posts into their own thread.  I am asking why Janet is posting them.  I don't like the sound of it and I won't allow it in this thread.  

I checked to see if her account had been hijacked but it looks like it's her.


Edited to add:  I see where Janet was just wanting to stir up conversation.  My problem is each quote of hers sounded like SHE was complaining about Beth.  I don't think that was Janet's intention.

Well, maybe there is a better to way to stir up conversation instead of trying to "provoke conversation".  It reminded me of someone hitting a tennis ball against the wall over and over.  Maybe Janet could try to make a (one) post with link and have a little discussion in it and ask what others think or something like that instead of bombarding?  It just hit me wrong, post after post after post, after post, after post and finally the last post.  How does that stir a discussion?  No one wants to be goaded and beaten into discussion.  Wait.  I guess Janet got her discussion, but I don't think it's what she had in mind.  JMHO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 24, 2010, 10:50:26 PM
Thank you Klaas and MuffyBee!   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 24, 2010, 10:52:03 PM
I'm glad Janet's account wasn't hijacked for heaven's sake, and it was all a misunderstanding.  She was trying to get something going in here and that counts for something.  I would just suggest she go a little easier on us.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2010, 11:04:18 PM
I'm glad Janet's account wasn't hijacked for heaven's sake, and it was all a misunderstanding.  She was trying to get something going in here and that counts for something.  I would just suggest she go a little easier on us.   ::MonkeyWink::

MuffyBee

The words in the Steph Watts interview were spoken by the man who kept silent regarding his troubling observations while on board the Persistence ... troubling observations encompassing the trap which may have held Natalee Holloway remains.

The words in the Steph Watts' interview were spoken by the man who established an ongoing professional relationship with the Persistence Project Lead ... the Persistence Project Lead who afforded unchallenged the contents of the trap to the Aruban enemy who has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway since May 30, 2005.

In other words ... Tim Miller became a participant in the furthering of the Aruban coverup.

Any apology to Beth Holloway by Tim Miller must go a lot deeper than his words in the Steph Watt interview.  IMO

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 24, 2010, 11:08:55 PM
In the famous words of Columbo, "one more thing".  When Janet posted the snippets/quotes from the transcripts texasmom had posted, she included the links, which is correct.  However, Janet inserted titles at the top of the post, and those were of her own making and her own opinion and were not part of the transcripts and that caused confusion imo.  It appeared to be part of the writings in the transcripts and if Janet's posts are/were requoted, it would seem the titles she put in there could become part of the documents and misunderstood.  The transcript should remain entact as it is, and if there are comments, they should be noted as comments or opinions, not as a heading. JMHO When the transcript is broken out and pulled from the body of the transcript, titles (opinions) inserted, it changes things.  JMHO And I'm off my soapbox now. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 24, 2010, 11:11:30 PM
I'm glad Janet's account wasn't hijacked for heaven's sake, and it was all a misunderstanding.  She was trying to get something going in here and that counts for something.  I would just suggest she go a little easier on us.   ::MonkeyWink::

MuffyBee

The words in the Steph Watts interview were spoken by the man who kept silent regarding his troubling observations while on board the Persistence ... troubling observations encompassing the trap which may have held Natalee Holloway remains.

The words in the Steph Watts' interview were spoken by the man who established an ongoing professional relationship with the Persistence Project Lead ... the Persistence Project Lead who afforded unchallenged the contents of the trap to the Aruban enemy who has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway since May 30, 2005.

In other words ... Tim Miller became a participant in the furthering of the Aruban coverup.

Any apology to Beth Holloway by Tim Miller must go a lot deeper than his words in the Steph Watt interview.  IMO

Janet



Janet, we don't really know some of what you are opining and as I stated earlier, I don't want to rehash. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: wreck on October 24, 2010, 11:38:00 PM
I'm speechless. Janet, you have NO idea what Beth knows or doesn't know. NONE of us do. She will ALWAYS get the benefit of doubt from me. I'm so angry -- words fail me.  ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 24, 2010, 11:39:50 PM
I hope this isn't a repeat, I hadn't seen it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpKP0JnBRbI

http://www.youtube.com/v/zpKP0JnBRbI?fs=1&hl=en_US



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 24, 2010, 11:44:11 PM
In the famous words of Columbo, "one more thing".  When Janet posted the snippets/quotes from the transcripts texasmom had posted, she included the links, which is correct.  However, Janet inserted titles at the top of the post, and those were of her own making and her own opinion and were not part of the transcripts and that caused confusion imo.  It appeared to be part of the writings in the transcripts and if Janet's posts are/were requoted, it would seem the titles she put in there could become part of the documents and misunderstood.  The transcript should remain entact as it is, and if there are comments, they should be noted as comments or opinions, not as a heading. JMHO When the transcript is broken out and pulled from the body of the transcript, titles (opinions) inserted, it changes things.  JMHO And I'm off my soapbox now. 

I agree 100%!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2010, 11:49:51 PM
I'm speechless. Janet, you have NO idea what Beth knows or doesn't know. NONE of us do. She will ALWAYS get the benefit of doubt from me. I'm so angry -- words fail me.  ::MonkeyMad::

Wreck

I have upheld the mother of Natalee Holloway since the getgo and ... you know it.

What are you referring to?

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 24, 2010, 11:53:14 PM
Janet - I think the problem is the way your posts, quote of Steph Watts look.  They look like YOU are agreeing with Tim Miller and Steph Watts.  I KNOW YOU DON'T. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2010, 11:57:23 PM
In the famous words of Columbo, "one more thing".  When Janet posted the snippets/quotes from the transcripts texasmom had posted, she included the links, which is correct.  However, Janet inserted titles at the top of the post, and those were of her own making and her own opinion and were not part of the transcripts and that caused confusion imo.  It appeared to be part of the writings in the transcripts and if Janet's posts are/were requoted, it would seem the titles she put in there could become part of the documents and misunderstood.  The transcript should remain entact as it is, and if there are comments, they should be noted as comments or opinions, not as a heading. JMHO When the transcript is broken out and pulled from the body of the transcript, titles (opinions) inserted, it changes things.  JMHO And I'm off my soapbox now. 

MuffyBee

Each blue bolded title was taken directly from the quote.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2010, 11:58:10 PM
Janet - I think the problem is the way your posts, quote of Steph Watts look.  They look like YOU are agreeing with Tim Miller and Steph Watts.  I KNOW YOU DON'T. 

Thank you.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: wreck on October 24, 2010, 11:58:39 PM
I'm speechless. Janet, you have NO idea what Beth knows or doesn't know. NONE of us do. She will ALWAYS get the benefit of doubt from me. I'm so angry -- words fail me.  ::MonkeyMad::

Wreck

I have upheld the mother of Natalee Holloway since the getgo and ... you know it.

What are you referring to?

Janet

I'm not alone.......it appears that if we don't all toe the line of YOUR beliefs -- somehow we are all ignorant or uncaring. You are welcome to your own OPINION, but when you couch your posts as FACT - I have a major problem.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2010, 11:59:55 PM
Good Night

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 25, 2010, 12:05:14 AM
I'm speechless. Janet, you have NO idea what Beth knows or doesn't know. NONE of us do. She will ALWAYS get the benefit of doubt from me. I'm so angry -- words fail me.  ::MonkeyMad::

Wreck

I have upheld the mother of Natalee Holloway since the getgo and ... you know it.

What are you referring to?

Janet


That has been questionable at times, and this is another one of those times.  JMHO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 25, 2010, 12:13:57 AM
In the famous words of Columbo, "one more thing".  When Janet posted the snippets/quotes from the transcripts texasmom had posted, she included the links, which is correct.  However, Janet inserted titles at the top of the post, and those were of her own making and her own opinion and were not part of the transcripts and that caused confusion imo.  It appeared to be part of the writings in the transcripts and if Janet's posts are/were requoted, it would seem the titles she put in there could become part of the documents and misunderstood.  The transcript should remain entact as it is, and if there are comments, they should be noted as comments or opinions, not as a heading. JMHO When the transcript is broken out and pulled from the body of the transcript, titles (opinions) inserted, it changes things.  JMHO And I'm off my soapbox now. 

MuffyBee

Each blue bolded title was taken directly from the quote.

Janet

Not true.  Viva Aruba is not in the transcript AT ALL.  And IMO MuffyBee's point is still spot on.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 25, 2010, 12:14:19 AM
JUSTICE ISN'T GOING ANYWHERE

THERE ARE TWO SIDES TO THE TRACKS

SOME HAVE CHOSEN WHICH SIDE THEY'RE ON

THEY,AND THEY ALONE,WILL ANSWER FOR THAT!

::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: SuzieQ on October 25, 2010, 12:52:57 AM
Thank you Texasmom for that video clip. Boy, doesn't Beth look good? Maybe it is just me, but she looks like she knows something, or maybe, just seeing Joran in that prison in Peru was what she needed.


(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff15/sueann37/Natalee/777.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 25, 2010, 01:09:10 AM
Thank you Texasmom for that video clip. Boy, doesn't Beth look good? Maybe it is just me, but she looks like she knows something, or maybe, just seeing Joran in that prison in Peru was what she needed.


(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff15/sueann37/Natalee/777.jpg)

I had the same thought.   ::MonkeyCool::

And I thought she looked and sounded good too!  God bless her!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 25, 2010, 01:21:38 AM
O/TKlaas.You see the BCS poll? ::MonkeyNoNo::

Edit: So as not to quote O/T - yeah but I actually think that is a good thing.  The Ducks never get any respect but I think not being #1 may help them beat USC on Saturday  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 25, 2010, 01:44:48 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Beth_Natalee_June20102.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyandherfatherRicardoFlores.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,
and Stephany!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 25, 2010, 11:59:49 AM
Thank you Texasmom for that video clip. Boy, doesn't Beth look good? Maybe it is just me, but she looks like she knows something, or maybe, just seeing Joran in that prison in Peru was what she needed.


(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff15/sueann37/Natalee/777.jpg)

Well, that's three of us! I thought she was keeping some inside info to herself as well! AND she seemed pleased about it, so maybe there's something good around the corner!!   ::MonkeyDance:: Whatever it might be, she's following the rules about the jail visit and I hope that means that Peter's up to something productive!

She said, "I hope there will be some more information",............ with a little smile. I could be grasping at straws here, but I'm choosing to believe that there's something coming that we can all smile about!

Thanks, TM!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: akmom on October 25, 2010, 01:45:07 PM
Missed this but Beth looks fantastic....and a little like the cat that swallowed the canary!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Kermit on October 25, 2010, 02:15:20 PM
Thank you Texasmom for that video clip. Boy, doesn't Beth look good? Maybe it is just me, but she looks like she knows something, or maybe, just seeing Joran in that prison in Peru was what she needed.


(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff15/sueann37/Natalee/777.jpg)

Well, that's three of us! I thought she was keeping some inside info to herself as well! AND she seemed pleased about it, so maybe there's something good around the corner!!   ::MonkeyDance:: Whatever it might be, she's following the rules about the jail visit and I hope that means that Peter's up to something productive!

She said, "I hope there will be some more information",............ with a little smile. I could be grasping at straws here, but I'm choosing to believe that there's something coming that we can all smile about!

Thanks, TM!!

Me thinks so too.
 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 25, 2010, 02:37:02 PM
Thank you Texasmom for that video clip. Boy, doesn't Beth look good? Maybe it is just me, but she looks like she knows something, or maybe, just seeing Joran in that prison in Peru was what she needed.


(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff15/sueann37/Natalee/777.jpg)

Well, that's three of us! I thought she was keeping some inside info to herself as well! AND she seemed pleased about it, so maybe there's something good around the corner!!   ::MonkeyDance:: Whatever it might be, she's following the rules about the jail visit and I hope that means that Peter's up to something productive!

She said, "I hope there will be some more information",............ with a little smile. I could be grasping at straws here, but I'm choosing to believe that there's something coming that we can all smile about!

Thanks, TM!!

Me thinks so too.
 ::MonkeyCool::


 ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 25, 2010, 02:49:08 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

45 year old man died on a sofa outside of the house.  If I understand correctly, he was not feeling well and a family member took him to the emergency room, they waited for hours but were not seen even though he was in pain.  They gave up and went back home, where he died.  He was a mechanic that worked on planes. 

(CAUTION:  The man can be seen, dead on the sofa at the link.)

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=5023&offId=0&offDate=2010-10

Papiamentu translation:

6 hora happen | fecha: 25/10/2010 | horario: 08:04

according one acolyte by family bad servicio by emergencia can owing to contribui at fayecimiento by they being keri

the pagina here is contene material grafico or strong besides the do not apto before younger by edad or esnan sensibel

monday morning owing to come into informe by cu at wayaca 3 have one person cu do not give sign by life, at once owing to dirigi one patrol at the sitio. at arrival by the patrol they're constata cu on the sofa pafo by the cas have one person sleep without is give sign by life, at once owing to beat alarma y owing to solicita presencia by all autoridad competente. according one inhabitant by the cas ela depart pafo y owing to look at the victima eynan is cough y was saca scuma the inhabitant owing to bay inside before coy one kopi by kofie y hour ela go back the victima not was breathe more y ela be called police. at arrival by ambulance owing to make a note cu the victima do not give sign by life more y owing to ask before one doctor come at the sitio. familiarnan cu owing to being avisa owing to present at the sitio. one acolyte by family owing to expresa cu the owing to bring the victima before servicio by emergencia at hospital y owing to remain enough hour is keep without attain atencion debido before after at end mande bay cas. neither although owing to ask before hang on to before remark mirando her situation y dolornan cu the victima was complain. but so self dicidi by mande cas before after the victima is fayece unexpectedly. fiscal lugo owing to present at the sitio y at first instant owing to confisca the curpa but after owing to allow this in freedom for her family atende cu the entierro by they being keri. is deal here by richard amircal montero naci at aruba 11 by january 1965. richard was one person quite conosi in ramo by aviacion the was work because mecanico by plane. at famianan by the fayecido is bay we more sincero words by condolencia.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 25, 2010, 02:52:25 PM
You're welcome, to SuzieQ and CBB!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: wreck on October 25, 2010, 02:55:58 PM
Thank you Texasmom for that video clip. Boy, doesn't Beth look good? Maybe it is just me, but she looks like she knows something, or maybe, just seeing Joran in that prison in Peru was what she needed.


(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff15/sueann37/Natalee/777.jpg)

Well, that's three of us! I thought she was keeping some inside info to herself as well! AND she seemed pleased about it, so maybe there's something good around the corner!!   ::MonkeyDance:: Whatever it might be, she's following the rules about the jail visit and I hope that means that Peter's up to something productive!

She said, "I hope there will be some more information",............ with a little smile. I could be grasping at straws here, but I'm choosing to believe that there's something coming that we can all smile about!

Thanks, TM!!

Me thinks so too.
 ::MonkeyCool::

Gosh, I certainly hope so too!!!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 25, 2010, 05:06:25 PM
Good afternoon mom2eloise  ::bananadance:: ::bananadance:: ::bananadance:: and our guests  ::teddybear::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: ospainter on October 25, 2010, 06:59:54 PM
Hi Everyone,

I have a question

Does anyone remember the name of the school/group that did research on Natalee's case, it was some yrs ago iirc. The group attended school in FL I think.

Any help much appreciated

Thanks

OS


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: ospainter on October 25, 2010, 07:02:10 PM
Good afternoon mom2eloise  ::bananadance:: ::bananadance:: ::bananadance:: and our guests  ::teddybear::

Hi Muffy

 :smt006 :smt006 :smt039

OS


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Sharon/Tx on October 25, 2010, 07:14:36 PM
Hi Everyone,

I have a question

Does anyone remember the name of the school/group that did research on Natalee's case, it was some yrs ago iirc. The group attended school in FL I think.

Any help much appreciated

Thanks

OS
Bauder College was one.... http://noevidenceofacrime.com/chapter27.php?blog=47&order=ASC&posts=1&page=1&paged=6


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 25, 2010, 07:15:50 PM
Hi Everyone,

I have a question

Does anyone remember the name of the school/group that did research on Natalee's case, it was some yrs ago iirc. The group attended school in FL I think.

Any help much appreciated

Thanks

OS

http://articles.cnn.com/2008-06-11/justice/crime.club_1_criminal-justice-natalee-holloway-students?_s=PM:CRIME

snipped:

Beth Holloway, Natalee's mother, spoke in person with the crime club earlier this year. She thanked the students for taking another look at her daughter's case.

http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1002/11/ng.01.html

snipped


SHERYL MCCOLLUM, CRIME ANALYST: You know, Nancy, this case is just so aggravating to me. But here`s what I want to make very clear. It`s not just a few police officers that may or may not have gotten some payment. It`s not one judge. It is every single police officer on that island. It is every single judge at this point, and it`s every single DA on that island that won`t bring this case forward. Van Der Sloot has said he sold her in the sex trade. He said he threw her in the ocean. How many times does this person have to confess before something is done?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Sharon/Tx on October 25, 2010, 07:17:38 PM
Weather for Lima, Peru - Add to iGoogle
66°F | °C
Current: Overcast
Wind: S at 8 mph
Humidity: 73%Mon

66°F | 59°FTue

66°F | 59°FWed

66°F | 60°FThu

66°F | 59°F
► It's a little cool and damp tonight in Lima, Peru.  I hope the rats visit Joran!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 25, 2010, 07:25:53 PM
OS, the college that I've referenced is in Atlanta.  I remembered this girl especially.

http://articles.cnn.com/2008-08-19/justice/ccc.diving_1_holloway-case-natalee-holloway-field-trip?_s=PM:CRIME

Student dives into Holloway case, finds a career
NATALEE HOLLOWAY 
 
August 19, 2008|By Jennifer Gosdin Special to CNN


http://articles.cnn.com/2008-06-11/justice/ccc.log.gosdin_1_field-trip-natalee-holloway-case?_s=PM:CRIME



(http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/CRIME/06/11/ccc.log.gosdin/art.gosdin.cnn.jpg)

Jennifer Gosdin


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: ospainter on October 25, 2010, 07:53:45 PM
Thank you both so much.

OS


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 25, 2010, 07:58:59 PM
Thank you both so much.

OS

You're welcome!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 25, 2010, 08:04:39 PM
http://www.peterrdevries.nl/uitzending/de-nieuwe-reeks-afleveringen-begint-op-31-oktober/

New video!  I'll take some screenshots but I don't know how to capture it!   ::MonkeyWaa::


Monday, October 25, 2010, 8:35 hours
Broadcast
New episodes starting this Sunday!

In recent months Peter went all over the world for research in a number of high profile cases. Next Sunday is the first new episode of the series finally on the tube!

Peter visited this the mother of Natalee Holloway in her hometown Alabama. For the first time Beth Holloway tells the shocking story about the extortion by Joran van der Sloot. How a desperate mother cornered by the man who left her daughter disappear ..

Peter R. de Vries, crime reporter, Sunday, October 31 at 21:30 at SBS 6

Last Updated: Monday, October 25, 2010, 13:12 hours


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Sharon/Tx on October 25, 2010, 08:05:29 PM
OOps sorry, had to cook dinner.  Texasmom is a wealth of information!  Thanks Texasmom for all the great info!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Sharon/Tx on October 25, 2010, 08:09:05 PM
When will we hear the blankity blank evidence on the laptop?!   ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 25, 2010, 08:12:39 PM
When will we hear the blankity blank evidence on the laptop?!   ::MonkeyShocked::

Good question!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Sharon/Tx on October 25, 2010, 08:17:13 PM
Take care, I'm calling it a night.  I am watching 4 grandbabies under the age of 3, 10 hours a day!  Whew!  I need a glass of wine!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Leroy on October 25, 2010, 08:25:30 PM
Take care, I'm calling it a night.  I am watching 4 grandbabies under the age of 3, 10 hours a day!  Whew!  I need a glass of wine!

Just a glass?  Here have a bottle...sounds like you need it   ::monkeywine2:: 

Good night Sharon!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 25, 2010, 08:34:12 PM
Take care, I'm calling it a night.  I am watching 4 grandbabies under the age of 3, 10 hours a day!  Whew!  I need a glass of wine!

Wow, that's a job!   ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2010, 09:04:17 PM
http://www.peterrdevries.nl/uitzending/de-nieuwe-reeks-afleveringen-begint-op-31-oktober/

New video!  I'll take some screenshots but I don't know how to capture it!   ::MonkeyWaa::


Monday, October 25, 2010, 8:35 hours
Broadcast
New episodes starting this Sunday!

In recent months Peter went all over the world for research in a number of high profile cases. Next Sunday is the first new episode of the series finally on the tube!

Peter visited this the mother of Natalee Holloway in her hometown Alabama. For the first time Beth Holloway tells the shocking story about the extortion by Joran van der Sloot. How a desperate mother cornered by the man who left her daughter disappear ..

Peter R. de Vries, crime reporter, Sunday, October 31 at 21:30 at SBS 6

Last Updated: Monday, October 25, 2010, 13:12 hours

I'll try and capture it  ::MonkeyCool::
Had to get a little creative but I got it.  Uploading to photobucket now.  Click on the photo below to watch the clip:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/th_RVCap12_xvid.jpg) (http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/?action=view&current=RVCap12_xvid.mp4)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 25, 2010, 09:06:25 PM
http://www.peterrdevries.nl/uitzending/de-nieuwe-reeks-afleveringen-begint-op-31-oktober/

New video!  I'll take some screenshots but I don't know how to capture it!   ::MonkeyWaa::


Monday, October 25, 2010, 8:35 hours
Broadcast
New episodes starting this Sunday!

In recent months Peter went all over the world for research in a number of high profile cases. Next Sunday is the first new episode of the series finally on the tube!

Peter visited this the mother of Natalee Holloway in her hometown Alabama. For the first time Beth Holloway tells the shocking story about the extortion by Joran van der Sloot. How a desperate mother cornered by the man who left her daughter disappear ..

Peter R. de Vries, crime reporter, Sunday, October 31 at 21:30 at SBS 6

Last Updated: Monday, October 25, 2010, 13:12 hours

I'll try and capture it  ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks Klaas!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 25, 2010, 09:17:37 PM
http://www.peterrdevries.nl/uitzending/de-nieuwe-reeks-afleveringen-begint-op-31-oktober/

Here's some screenshots from the video.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/10252010_1aa.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/10252010_1a.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/10252010_1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/10252010_natalee.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/10252010_5b.jpg)

"I'm thinking...If this is the way that I can get her remains, then I'm in..."

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/10252010_4.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/10252010_5.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/10252010_7.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/10252010_6bb.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/10252010_8.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/10252010_9a.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 25, 2010, 10:14:04 PM
Thanks for the video and screen shots, Klaas and TM!

I wish it were in English!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 25, 2010, 10:21:16 PM
I ran the print on the 5th picture down through babylon translator and it came up with this:

lk dacht:  als ik zo haar overblijfselen kan krijgen

lk thought: if you will receive its remnants may


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 25, 2010, 10:23:43 PM
I ran the print on the 5th picture down through babylon translator and it came up with this:

lk dacht:  als ik zo haar overblijfselen kan krijgen

lk thought: if you will receive its remnants may

Thanks CBB!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 25, 2010, 10:28:13 PM
That translation is what Beth was saying at the time, I'm sure: "If this is the way I can get her remains.......... I'm in."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 26, 2010, 12:17:14 AM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Beth_Natalee_June20102.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyandherfatherRicardoFlores.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,
and Stephany!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 26, 2010, 06:59:47 AM
Thank you Texasmom for that video clip. Boy, doesn't Beth look good? Maybe it is just me, but she looks like she knows something, or maybe, just seeing Joran in that prison in Peru was what she needed.


(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff15/sueann37/Natalee/777.jpg)

That interviewer sure wanted to push Beth into talking about Joran.  Beth was very gracious about it, though.

Beth does look great!  No wonder Joran wanted to $h!t a brick when he saw her, with her hair color and her eyebrow pencil, she sure does look like Nat.  Beth has done what no country has done so far, and that is to get under Joran's skin.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 26, 2010, 07:07:05 AM
Take care, I'm calling it a night.  I am watching 4 grandbabies under the age of 3, 10 hours a day!  Whew!  I need a glass of wine!

Oh wow!  You are so lucky, so tired, but so blessed.  Put your feet up some.

Thanks for answering os's question.  You are right, my sis, TM is da bomb!

 :bom: :bom: :bom: :bom: :bom: :bom: :bom:



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 26, 2010, 07:12:18 AM
http://www.peterrdevries.nl/uitzending/de-nieuwe-reeks-afleveringen-begint-op-31-oktober/

New video!  I'll take some screenshots but I don't know how to capture it!   ::MonkeyWaa::


Monday, October 25, 2010, 8:35 hours
Broadcast
New episodes starting this Sunday!

In recent months Peter went all over the world for research in a number of high profile cases. Next Sunday is the first new episode of the series finally on the tube!

Peter visited this the mother of Natalee Holloway in her hometown Alabama. For the first time Beth Holloway tells the shocking story about the extortion by Joran van der Sloot. How a desperate mother cornered by the man who left her daughter disappear ..

Peter R. de Vries, crime reporter, Sunday, October 31 at 21:30 at SBS 6

Last Updated: Monday, October 25, 2010, 13:12 hours

I'll try and capture it  ::MonkeyCool::
Had to get a little creative but I got it.  Uploading to photobucket now.  Click on the photo below to watch the clip:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/th_RVCap12_xvid.jpg) (http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/?action=view&current=RVCap12_xvid.mp4)



I hope it is the 4 legged kind.  So many rats and witches and such around on some sights, ya never know.

O/T

I just wanted to say that the first page of this thread brings tears to my eyes.  All of the moderators (and Klaas) have posts on this page.  2NJ is there in spirit, her neighbors, San and myself are there, and I hold her in my heart.  I could walk to NJ from my house.  (Maybe she will edit one of the posts in the first page just to show the world I really can count!)  I think is must be a one of a kind beginning to a thread.  I hope it means that this is the thread that will bring the news that ushers our girl home.

The second thing, all of us are back together, and posting.  Strong women, I am so proud to be among you.

 ::MonkeyJustice:: ::bee:: ::MonkeyWeight:: ::MonkeyHeart:: :smt024 :smt066 ::MonkeyGavel::

 ::monkeywine2:: ::monkeywine2:: ::monkeywine2::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 26, 2010, 07:29:25 AM
Thank you Texasmom for that video clip. Boy, doesn't Beth look good? Maybe it is just me, but she looks like she knows something, or maybe, just seeing Joran in that prison in Peru was what she needed.


(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff15/sueann37/Natalee/777.jpg)

That interviewer sure wanted to push Beth into talking about Joran.  Beth was very gracious about it, though.

Beth does look great!  No wonder Joran wanted to $h!t a brick when he saw her, with her hair color and her eyebrow pencil, she sure does look like Nat.  Beth has done what no country has done so far, and that is to get under Joran's skin.



 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 26, 2010, 07:33:41 AM
Take care, I'm calling it a night.  I am watching 4 grandbabies under the age of 3, 10 hours a day!  Whew!  I need a glass of wine!

Oh wow!  You are so lucky, so tired, but so blessed.  Put your feet up some.

Thanks for answering os's question.  You are right, my sis, TM is da bomb!

 :bom: :bom: :bom: :bom: :bom: :bom: :bom:



Good morning Sis!   ::MonkeyDance::

Thanks to you and Sharon/Tx for the compliment  ::MonkeyKiss::,
but I think we're all da bomb!   ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 26, 2010, 07:49:15 AM
http://www.peterrdevries.nl/uitzending/de-nieuwe-reeks-afleveringen-begint-op-31-oktober/

New video!  I'll take some screenshots but I don't know how to capture it!   ::MonkeyWaa::


Monday, October 25, 2010, 8:35 hours
Broadcast
New episodes starting this Sunday!

In recent months Peter went all over the world for research in a number of high profile cases. Next Sunday is the first new episode of the series finally on the tube!

Peter visited this the mother of Natalee Holloway in her hometown Alabama. For the first time Beth Holloway tells the shocking story about the extortion by Joran van der Sloot. How a desperate mother cornered by the man who left her daughter disappear ..

Peter R. de Vries, crime reporter, Sunday, October 31 at 21:30 at SBS 6

Last Updated: Monday, October 25, 2010, 13:12 hours

I'll try and capture it  ::MonkeyCool::
Had to get a little creative but I got it.  Uploading to photobucket now.  Click on the photo below to watch the clip:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/th_RVCap12_xvid.jpg) (http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/?action=view&current=RVCap12_xvid.mp4)



I hope it is the 4 legged kind.  So many rats and witches and such around on some sights, ya never know.

O/T

I just wanted to say that the first page of this thread brings tears to my eyes.  All of the moderators (and Klaas) have posts on this page.  2NJ is there in spirit, her neighbors, San and myself are there, and I hold her in my heart.  I could walk to NJ from my house.  (Maybe she will edit one of the posts in the first page just to show the world I really can count!)  I think is must be a one of a kind beginning to a thread.  I hope it means that this is the thread that will bring the news that ushers our girl home.

The second thing, all of us are back together, and posting.  Strong women, I am so proud to be among you.


 ::MonkeyJustice:: ::bee:: ::MonkeyWeight:: ::MonkeyHeart:: :smt024 :smt066 ::MonkeyGavel::

 ::monkeywine2:: ::monkeywine2:: ::monkeywine2::


That is really cool, and I hope you're right Sis!  You are an extraordinary group, so strong talented and compassionate.  I love and appreciate you all!

2NJ can edit one of my posts on the first page if she'd like...I was FIRST which is a rare occasion too!    ::MonkeyAngel::

Have a great day Monkeys!   ::MonkeySkate::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 26, 2010, 09:47:53 AM
I wasn't around for the thread change because we were attending a cousin's wedding.....a celebration Natalee was denied, a celebration Beth, Dave and Matt will never share with her.  I'm always here in spirit when life brings me elsewhere.   ::monkeywine2::

Good morning to all.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 26, 2010, 09:53:07 AM
I posted this in the Oil & Gas thread, too.  Last report stated projected restart December or January....

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/valero-swings-to-profit-on-better-refining-margins-2010-10-26?siteid=rss

Valero Energy Corp. /quotes/comstock/13*!vlo/quotes/nls/vlo (VLO 17.79, +0.02, +0.08%) said Tuesday it swung to a third-quarter profit of $292 million, or 51 cents a share, from a loss of $629 million, or $1.12 a share, in the year-ago period. Operating income rose to $571 million, versus an operating loss of $238 million. Income from continuing operations totaled 52 cents a share. Revenue rose to $22.2 billion, from $18.6 billion. The San Antonio, Texas refining giant cited higher margins for diesel and better discounts for low-quality feedstocks, combined with higher volumes. Wall Street analysts expected Valero to earn 50 cents a share, on revenue of $20.8 billion, according to a survey by FactSet Research. Valero said it's on track to re-start its Aruba refinery in mid-December.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Anna on October 26, 2010, 02:24:21 PM
http://www.peterrdevries.nl/uitzending/de-nieuwe-reeks-afleveringen-begint-op-31-oktober/

New video!  I'll take some screenshots but I don't know how to capture it!   ::MonkeyWaa::


Monday, October 25, 2010, 8:35 hours
Broadcast
New episodes starting this Sunday!

In recent months Peter went all over the world for research in a number of high profile cases. Next Sunday is the first new episode of the series finally on the tube!

Peter visited this the mother of Natalee Holloway in her hometown Alabama. For the first time Beth Holloway tells the shocking story about the extortion by Joran van der Sloot. How a desperate mother cornered by the man who left her daughter disappear ..

Peter R. de Vries, crime reporter, Sunday, October 31 at 21:30 at SBS 6

Last Updated: Monday, October 25, 2010, 13:12 hours

I'll try and capture it  ::MonkeyCool::
Had to get a little creative but I got it.  Uploading to photobucket now.  Click on the photo below to watch the clip:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/th_RVCap12_xvid.jpg) (http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/?action=view&current=RVCap12_xvid.mp4)




And to think he was so very close!  I missed my big chance!


 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 26, 2010, 03:10:04 PM
 ::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 26, 2010, 05:42:05 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_80124.php

Google translation:

Bank takes up casino Westin

October 26, 2010, 14:01 (GMT -04:00)

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(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/aua-voor-groot-nieuw.gif)
 
ORANGE CITY - The Casablanca Casino in the Westin Hotel in Palm Beach yesterday afternoon by order of the bailiff closed. Dozens of employees of the casino are sent home until further notice.

Reportedly, the Aruba Investment Bank (AIB) confiscated the casino because a large payment arrears. The bank had lent money casino slot machines for purchase. This loan was not repaid.

Because the loan was not repaid in full or not, the bank went to court. AIB was here recently by the court was told that they seized, conducted. The AIB bank was unavailable for comment this morning. The Director of the Westin Hotel Richard Roy was not reachable by phone.

Director of Operations, Dan Tanner of the Westin could not comment on the closure of the casino. "Something is going on with the administration, but I can not say more." He emphasized that the casino is operated by the hotel not only by one third. It would be here to see the company go Belfonti Capital Partners, said morning newspaper Bon Dia. The newspaper writes further that the employees of the casino, which has been sent home yesterday, today an interview with Otmar Oduber minster (AVP) for Tourism, Labor and Transportation have. During this conversation, workers will learn about the situation and the steps taken to solve problems. Focus of this is the casino as quickly as possible to reopen and the workers back to work.

Amigoe also know that the casino was for sale for years. Despite several attempts, sales not. In recent months the casino operator could also meet the rent. What about the payment of the casino staff was not very morning Labor Department to find out.

In recent years, various casinos find themselves in difficulty in Aruba. Renewed efforts for example La Cabana Casino again to reactivate and Key Largo by large U.S. investors came to nothing. Key Largo Recently, a new owner who has plans for this casino again. Besides struggling at the nearby Radisson hotel casino with operating problems.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 26, 2010, 06:07:12 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_79901.php

Google translation:

May I effe "Victim in jail '

October 21, 2010, 13:52 (GMT -04:00)

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Filmmaker and writer René van Nie shows five days a week, from Monday to Friday, this newspaper in his own distinctive vision of all kinds of things in society. He claims reactions to price: vannie@setarnet.aw. Today: 'Victim to jail. "

I thought Andin Bikker, leader of PDR on the carrier of the ASF meezeulde bike as a sort of tolerated game, even though he did not need, because without him the full stamp parliament. But now he has something of themselves heard and collect signatures for the introduction of a law that gives citizens the right to self defense in case of burglary in their home or business. I can not believe what I write.

Imagine a moment of madness, there are signatures for the law might need to get through it, otherwise our leaders see no reason for it. So Andin first half Aruba mobilize the usefulness of that law to stress. First, I find it very Bikker is doing what the other is absurd that even countries - including the Netherlands and Aruba - who punish the victim when they defend their homes while the criminals after a few hours, if caught, again walking around the streets looking for new victims. And I understand not sack the judges who run this insane law.

An old grandfather of 86 years who defended himself against a tall Hells Angels, which was handing out punches and half years' imprisonment was, while the Hells Angels showed the instigator. "How was your day today, Dad?" I hear a child asking her father for dinner. "Oh fine, I'm a father to four months in prison sentenced because he protected his child when he was in broke." "Well baby, I hear it, that was a tough day. Eat your plate is empty now but tasty and not forget vitamin pill, "adds his wife than. "And tomorrow I get a girl of sixteen years at the counter who was assaulted, but her assailant with a piece of wood was able to keep away from him. The man is now a mild concussion in the hospital. I think that I would surely give three months in prison, because that is obviously not what she did. "Well, if my father was right, then I went to a lawyer to try him from custody to continue. Because the judges themselves had long been in the gun as a way to change this disgraceful act. But they do not have to cry, "we must obey the law."

I myself am ever in a somewhat awkward situation ended when a politician and a specialist in my field emerged to give me a spanking, because I had written something bad about them. Now I must stress that their action ultimately I could appreciate it. Not silly walk to court, but simply ff fight, just like other men. I blame them nothing. But I do remember that I was limited to off and have not beaten back, was wrong because I would have ended in jail and not my two assailants. The law is wrong is not any good for the judges and I do not entirely trust. But this case was me. Would it be to protect my children go, then the heaviness in. I live in quite remote knoek at every door and stole a baseball bat standing. And who is a danger to my family, go for the chop. I have easily have half year KIA forward. As long as I can take my laptop with me to a black book on justice and what can go wrong with obtuse to hanging.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 26, 2010, 06:30:39 PM
O/T but I thought others might remember Paul the octopus, I probably wouldn't have known about him if I hadn't been following this case.  He was in the Aruba news a lot.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/unleashed/2010/10/rip-paul-the-octopus-tentacled-world-cup-prognosticator-passes-away-in-german-aquarium.html

R.I.P. Paul the octopus: Tentacled World Cup prognosticator passes away in German aquarium

October 26, 2010 |  2:45 pm

Paul, the octopus whose correct predictions of the outcomes of eight World Cup 2010 games fueled his meteoric rise to stardom, has died at the ripe old age of 2 1/2.

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 26, 2010, 06:45:58 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_80124.php

Google translation:

Bank takes up casino Westin

October 26, 2010, 14:01 (GMT -04:00)

Email this article 
Print this article

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/aua-voor-groot-nieuw.gif)
 
ORANGE CITY - The Casablanca Casino in the Westin Hotel in Palm Beach yesterday afternoon by order of the bailiff closed. Dozens of employees of the casino are sent home until further notice.

Reportedly, the Aruba Investment Bank (AIB) confiscated the casino because a large payment arrears. The bank had lent money casino slot machines for purchase. This loan was not repaid.

Because the loan was not repaid in full or not, the bank went to court. AIB was here recently by the court was told that they seized, conducted. The AIB bank was unavailable for comment this morning. The Director of the Westin Hotel Richard Roy was not reachable by phone.

Director of Operations, Dan Tanner of the Westin could not comment on the closure of the casino. "Something is going on with the administration, but I can not say more." He emphasized that the casino is operated by the hotel not only by one third. It would be here to see the company go Belfonti Capital Partners, said morning newspaper Bon Dia. The newspaper writes further that the employees of the casino, which has been sent home yesterday, today an interview with Otmar Oduber minster (AVP) for Tourism, Labor and Transportation have. During this conversation, workers will learn about the situation and the steps taken to solve problems. Focus of this is the casino as quickly as possible to reopen and the workers back to work.

Amigoe also know that the casino was for sale for years. Despite several attempts, sales not. In recent months the casino operator could also meet the rent. What about the payment of the casino staff was not very morning Labor Department to find out.

In recent years, various casinos find themselves in difficulty in Aruba. Renewed efforts for example La Cabana Casino again to reactivate and Key Largo by large U.S. investors came to nothing. Key Largo Recently, a new owner who has plans for this casino again. Besides struggling at the nearby Radisson hotel casino with operating problems.



Lack of tourism???  I know they deny that tourism is down, but I don't believe a word they say. ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: wreck on October 26, 2010, 06:56:25 PM
O/T but I thought others might remember Paul the octopus, I probably wouldn't have known about him if I hadn't been following this case.  He was in the Aruba news a lot.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/unleashed/2010/10/rip-paul-the-octopus-tentacled-world-cup-prognosticator-passes-away-in-german-aquarium.html

R.I.P. Paul the octopus: Tentacled World Cup prognosticator passes away in German aquarium

October 26, 2010 |  2:45 pm

Paul, the octopus whose correct predictions of the outcomes of eight World Cup 2010 games fueled his meteoric rise to stardom, has died at the ripe old age of 2 1/2.

snipped
I think I will have some calimari tonight!











(I know they are not the same - but close!  ::MonkeyWink:: )


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 26, 2010, 07:17:36 PM
http://www.grandforksherald.com/event/image/id/38946/headline/Beth%20Holloway%20in%20Fargo/

Published October 26 2010
Beth Holloway in Fargo

(http://www.grandforksherald.com/media/full/jpg/2010/10/26/1026bethholloway.jpg)

Beth Holloway, mother of Natalee Holloway, who disappeared in 2005 while in Aruba, speaks Monday during the 10th Annual United Way of Cass-Clay Women’s Leadership Luncheon at the Ramada Plaza Suites in Fargo. Michael Vosburg / Forum Photo Editor

http://www.jamestownsun.com/event/article/id/121938/group/News/

Published October 26 2010

Holloway speaks at Fargo women’s leadership luncheon
 
By: By Sherri Richards, Forum Communications Co., The Jamestown Sun


Beth Holloway searched Aruban crack houses for her daughter. She considered theories that she was hidden on a cruise ship, sold into slavery or dumped at sea. But all along she had hope, just different phases of hope.

Holloway was the keynote speaker at the 10th annual Women’s Leadership Luncheon, a program of the United Way. About 600 women attended Monday at the Ramada Plaza Suites in Fargo.

Holloway, whose daughter Natalee went missing in May 2005, said it is her life’s work to promote personal and travel safety. She’s established a foundation to provide resources to families of missing persons. She also wrote the book “Loving Natalee.”

“What happened to her can happen to anyone in this room at any time, at any age, in any place,” Holloway said.

In an account she doesn’t sugarcoat, Holloway detailed the morning she dropped Natalee off, the phone call four days later telling her Natalee was missing, and her first days searching in Aruba, as she hoped to find Natalee alive.

After four days, she watched the hotel security tape and realized the prime suspect, Joran Van der Sloot, didn’t return Natalee to the hotel as he claimed.

For the first time, she felt anguish and grief. She said her hope transitioned to finding out what happened to Natalee.

Eventually she got that answer in a confession from Van der Sloot, who said he was with Natalee when she had a seizure and might have died, and he got rid of her body. From the first day, Aruban police asked Holloway if her daughter had a history of seizures.

“When she was least able to defend herself, she was taken,” she said. “I believe she was given a date rape drug, overdosed, and produced those seizures that Joran speaks about.”

Van der Sloot is currently being held in a Peruvian prison for the death of Stephany Flores. Last month, wire fraud charges were brought against him in Alabama. “He claimed he had Natalee’s remains and he tried to sell them to me,” Holloway said.

Holloway said she makes a conscious decision every day to get up and work through her family’s tragedy, to teach others. She said this is her third phase of hope: to move from victim to victor.

Tonya Stende, chairwoman of the Women’s Leadership Council, said because the council’s focus is on children and the United Way’s Success by Six program, Holloway’s story about her own daughter is powerful.

“You can’t replace that mother’s love,” Stende said

Sherri Richards is a reporter

at The Forum of Fargo-

Moorhead, which is owned by Forum Communications Co.

Tags: north dakota, news, women


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 26, 2010, 07:25:29 PM
If I haven't told you all lately, thank you for having common sense as well as being the best sleuths in the world!   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 26, 2010, 08:19:04 PM
O/T

RE: Missing American Vice Consul James Hogan in Curacao

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6197.msg1253055#msg1253055

 ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 26, 2010, 08:22:22 PM
If I haven't told you all lately, thank you for having common sense as well as being the best sleuths in the world!   ::MonkeyKiss::

Back atcha CBB!   ::MonkeyKiss::

Now I'm wondering what brought that on!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Buckeye on October 26, 2010, 11:26:51 PM
O/T

RE: Missing American Vice Consul James Hogan in Curacao

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6197.msg1253055#msg1253055

 ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Thanks TM.

I agree   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 27, 2010, 12:20:40 AM
http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/23451-2-night-diver-cu-problema-den-awa-awor-aki.html

Papiamentu translation:

two tourist buceador transporta in situation critico before hospital

tuesday, 26 october 2010 19:15

tuesday at night two tourist cu owing to go on the boat mermaid before night dive owing to attain problem earnest in water y at present is at hospita cu situation enough important. still not have mucho claridad on the sucedido. thing can say is cu apparently they owing to come upstairs pura cu consecuencia before they same salud. kizas they owing to see algo cu owing to laydown they spanta y not owing to come upstairs according regulation by buceo. esey is laydown cu thou blood is coy air y thou have to attain tratamento special before one situation so in one tanki comprimi. hour cu the two turistanan here owing to attain problem thanks god they owing to being see at time. owing to succeed beat alarma y aruba ports owing to cordina all cos. tremendo cordinacion by aruba ports owing to laydown also cu in corto time paramediconan by sarfa, guardcosta owing to depart give one hand. owing to cuminsa cu reanimacion. also police owing to being notifica y two ambulance owing to present at platform. at arrival can owing to see cu one by the buceadornan not was reacciona self. the another was open eye but not was comunica. the boat mermaid owing to depart cu cinco diver y one mast alone. the capitan owing to remain in boat. this according esnan cu experiencia in diving is considera because algo one some iresponsable. one mast alone do not sufficient before cinco buceador in water at night. the capitan d encarga cu mermaid have to go splica one bit more on her form by buceo at night before evita ripiticion in future.

-----------------------

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=5045&offId=0

Papimentu translation:

5 hora happen | fecha: 26/10/2010 | horario: 19:08

2 diver owing to become quite bad tuesday at night they owing to being bring hospital cu urgencia

tuesday at night owing to come into informe by cu have 2 diver cu owing to become bad y cu they're treciendonan platform by oranjestad y they owing to ask before 2 ambulance at the sitio. is deal here by 2 tourist americano cu owing to bay haci nightdive some pazuid by airport but debi cu they owing to come upstairs mucho liher they owing to become bad. at arrival by ambulance they owing to atende the victimanan y owing to transportanan before hopital. we owing to compronde cu they situation is stabiel.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 27, 2010, 12:30:30 AM
This may be a repeat, but I didn't remember reading it.

http://photos.state.gov/libraries/curacao/5/2010/WEEKLY_News_090410.pdf

News Items and Public Crime Summary for Week Ending
September 4, 2010

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Antilles/Aruba - NCIS Provides Crime Scene Investigative Training for Law Enforcement Officials

Two Naval Criminal Investigative Service Agents (NCIS) from Mayport, FL provided training to approximately 40 officers from the Curacao and Aruba Police Corps (KPC and KPA), upon invitation of the U.S. Consulate General Curacao, last week. The agents are representatives of the NCIS Major Case Response Team (MCRT). The course was classroom oriented, but also involved practical exercises to employ the skills learned.

The officers developed an understanding of both the role and value of evidence; learned to identify potential evidence and basic evidence collection techniques; learned basic crime scene and evidence documentation techniques; and developed an appreciation for crime scene preservation and contamination issues. NCIS together with KPC and KPA leadership are looking into future evolutions of the same training in order to get more officers exposed to the basic Crime Scene Investigative (CSI) techniques.

The training was very well received and an excellent opportunity to strengthen the strong relationship between the NCIS and law enforcement authorities on the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba. (Amigoe)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 27, 2010, 12:41:01 AM
http://photos.state.gov/libraries/curacao/5/2010/WEEKLY_News_082810.pdf

Aruba – Tourism Continues to Struggle; Venezuela Main Factor

In June 2010, the total of stay‐over tourists declined by 4.6% compared to the same month last year. Tourism from the U.S. (-2.9%), the Netherlands (-6.4%) and Venezuela (-33.5%) all decreased. The struggling Venezuelan economy and the exchange restrictions continue to affect the Venezuelan market. The total of cruise visitors dropped by 4.7%, compared to the same month last year. (Aruba Central Bank Report)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 27, 2010, 01:53:42 AM
http://www.grandforksherald.com/event/image/id/38946/headline/Beth%20Holloway%20in%20Fargo/

Published October 26 2010
Beth Holloway in Fargo

(http://www.grandforksherald.com/media/full/jpg/2010/10/26/1026bethholloway.jpg)

Beth Holloway, mother of Natalee Holloway, who disappeared in 2005 while in Aruba, speaks Monday during the 10th Annual United Way of Cass-Clay Women’s Leadership Luncheon at the Ramada Plaza Suites in Fargo. Michael Vosburg / Forum Photo Editor

http://www.jamestownsun.com/event/article/id/121938/group/News/

Published October 26 2010

Holloway speaks at Fargo women’s leadership luncheon
 
By: By Sherri Richards, Forum Communications Co., The Jamestown Sun


Beth Holloway searched Aruban crack houses for her daughter. She considered theories that she was hidden on a cruise ship, sold into slavery or dumped at sea. But all along she had hope, just different phases of hope.

Holloway was the keynote speaker at the 10th annual Women’s Leadership Luncheon, a program of the United Way. About 600 women attended Monday at the Ramada Plaza Suites in Fargo.

Holloway, whose daughter Natalee went missing in May 2005, said it is her life’s work to promote personal and travel safety. She’s established a foundation to provide resources to families of missing persons. She also wrote the book “Loving Natalee.”

“What happened to her can happen to anyone in this room at any time, at any age, in any place,” Holloway said.

In an account she doesn’t sugarcoat, Holloway detailed the morning she dropped Natalee off, the phone call four days later telling her Natalee was missing, and her first days searching in Aruba, as she hoped to find Natalee alive.

After four days, she watched the hotel security tape and realized the prime suspect, Joran Van der Sloot, didn’t return Natalee to the hotel as he claimed.

For the first time, she felt anguish and grief. She said her hope transitioned to finding out what happened to Natalee.

Eventually she got that answer in a confession from Van der Sloot, who said he was with Natalee when she had a seizure and might have died, and he got rid of her body. From the first day, Aruban police asked Holloway if her daughter had a history of seizures.

“When she was least able to defend herself, she was taken,” she said. “I believe she was given a date rape drug, overdosed, and produced those seizures that Joran speaks about.”

Van der Sloot is currently being held in a Peruvian prison for the death of Stephany Flores. Last month, wire fraud charges were brought against him in Alabama. “He claimed he had Natalee’s remains and he tried to sell them to me,” Holloway said.

Holloway said she makes a conscious decision every day to get up and work through her family’s tragedy, to teach others. She said this is her third phase of hope: to move from victim to victor.

Tonya Stende, chairwoman of the Women’s Leadership Council, said because the council’s focus is on children and the United Way’s Success by Six program, Holloway’s story about her own daughter is powerful.

“You can’t replace that mother’s love,” Stende said

Sherri Richards is a reporter

at The Forum of Fargo-

Moorhead, which is owned by Forum Communications Co.

Tags: north dakota, news, women


(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Beth_hollowayfamilygall-550.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 27, 2010, 11:42:22 AM
If I haven't told you all lately, thank you for having common sense as well as being the best sleuths in the world!   ::MonkeyKiss::

Back atcha CBB!   ::MonkeyKiss::

Now I'm wondering what brought that on!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Having a comparison in other threads.      ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 27, 2010, 02:50:09 PM
http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/23451-2-night-diver-cu-problema-den-awa-awor-aki.html

Papiamentu translation:

two tourist buceador transporta in situation critico before hospital

tuesday, 26 october 2010 19:15

tuesday at night two tourist cu owing to go on the boat mermaid before night dive owing to attain problem earnest in water y at present is at hospita cu situation enough important. still not have mucho claridad on the sucedido. thing can say is cu apparently they owing to come upstairs pura cu consecuencia before they same salud. kizas they owing to see algo cu owing to laydown they spanta y not owing to come upstairs according regulation by buceo. esey is laydown cu thou blood is coy air y thou have to attain tratamento special before one situation so in one tanki comprimi. hour cu the two turistanan here owing to attain problem thanks god they owing to being see at time. owing to succeed beat alarma y aruba ports owing to cordina all cos. tremendo cordinacion by aruba ports owing to laydown also cu in corto time paramediconan by sarfa, guardcosta owing to depart give one hand. owing to cuminsa cu reanimacion. also police owing to being notifica y two ambulance owing to present at platform. at arrival can owing to see cu one by the buceadornan not was reacciona self. the another was open eye but not was comunica. the boat mermaid owing to depart cu cinco diver y one mast alone. the capitan owing to remain in boat. this according esnan cu experiencia in diving is considera because algo one some iresponsable. one mast alone do not sufficient before cinco buceador in water at night. the capitan d encarga cu mermaid have to go splica one bit more on her form by buceo at night before evita ripiticion in future.

-----------------------

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=5045&offId=0

Papimentu translation:

5 hora happen | fecha: 26/10/2010 | horario: 19:08

2 diver owing to become quite bad tuesday at night they owing to being bring hospital cu urgencia

tuesday at night owing to come into informe by cu have 2 diver cu owing to become bad y cu they're treciendonan platform by oranjestad y they owing to ask before 2 ambulance at the sitio. is deal here by 2 tourist americano cu owing to bay haci nightdive some pazuid by airport but debi cu they owing to come upstairs mucho liher they owing to become bad. at arrival by ambulance they owing to atende the victimanan y owing to transportanan before hopital. we owing to compronde cu they situation is stabiel.



http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_80158.php

Google translation:

ARUBA
Divers injured
October 27, 2010, 24:34 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - A paramedic was talking to a diver who still has the wetsuit. The ambulance Tuesday night brought two divers rushed to hospital after being in trouble during a night dive were hit. The two divers - tourists - were part of a group of five, along with a dive master had gone under water. When the captain of the boat Mermaid noted that the two divers in trouble had come, hit it with Aruba Ports Authority (APA) alarm. APA warned in turn SARFA lifeguards and the Coast Guard. They were quickly on the spot and immediately began CPR. A diver gave no sign of life and the other had their eyes open, but could not communicate. The police were now on the spot and two ambulances had come. They brought the divers rushed to the emergency room. The captain of the boat is pointed out that according to international PADI diving rules it is irresponsible to just a dive master with five divers to go underwater.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 27, 2010, 03:07:48 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_80160.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Joran's murder mysteries

October 27, 2010, 12:36 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY / LONDON - The book "Joran's Murder Mysteries" is on sale from today. This book is written by journalist John van den Heuvel and Bert Houses and describes, as they say "the complete story of Joran Sloot" and its role in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and the killing of Stephany Flores.

The book countless previously unpublished material from secret police files up to date new facts and witness statements. Outline the facts behind the disappearance of Natalie Holloway and the "secret conspiracy behind the murder of Stephanie Flores. The crime journalists take the role of the FBI against the light. The book is further illustrated with exclusive photographs of Joran in the Castro Castro prison. He sits still in custody on suspicion of murder Stephany Flores. The book includes online at Bruna.nl and Bol.com.


http://webshop.telegraaf.nl/1/-/pro-1170982

Google translation:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/JVDS/Book%20Oct%202010/10272010_NewBook_morelies.jpg)

Well what should we expect?  They can't even spell Natalee's name correctly, not consistently anyway!  ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 27, 2010, 04:07:30 PM
http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1022/Celebs/article/detail/524993/2010/10/27/Beth-Holloway-in-het-nauw-gedreven-door-Joran.dhtml

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/BethPeter1031a.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 27, 2010, 04:12:21 PM
Future Hearings

01/06/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion for Summary Judgment

01/27/2011 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Final Status Conference (T/D 2-7-2011)

02/07/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Jury Trial (-Final Status Conference-OSC RE: Re Sanctions for Failureof Plntf/Deft Counsel to Appear @FSC)


New docs coming in just a few minutes ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 27, 2010, 04:19:50 PM
 ::MonkeyGavel::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/DrPhilSummaryJudge1020a.jpg)

 ::MonkeyGavel::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/DrPhilSummaryJudge1020b.jpg)

 ::MonkeyGavel::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/DrPhilSummaryJudge1020c.jpg)

 ::MonkeyGavel::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/DrPhilSummaryJudge1020d.jpg)

 ::MonkeyGavel::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/DrPhilSummaryJudge1020e.jpg)

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 27, 2010, 04:20:16 PM
THEY JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND OUR SYSTEM ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 27, 2010, 05:32:50 PM
 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyGavel::


Klaas, thank you for bringing the documents over!  And as always, many thanks to the generous anonymous monkey that pays for the documents!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 27, 2010, 05:34:28 PM
THEY JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND OUR SYSTEM ::MonkeyCool::

Ain't that the truth!   ::MonkeyJnBox:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Buckeye on October 27, 2010, 05:42:19 PM
THEY JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND OUR SYSTEM ::MonkeyCool::

Did they include the "attached Memorandum of Points"?

Thanks Klaas.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: wreck on October 27, 2010, 05:48:31 PM
SO!!! A "Summary Judgement" IS officially filed for!!!!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 27, 2010, 05:57:47 PM
THEY JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND OUR SYSTEM ::MonkeyCool::

Did they include the "attached Memorandum of Points"?

Thanks Klaas.

There was a 37 page amended document also filed that cost a bit more and I didn't get.  Part I'm assuming pertain to the last doc I posted.  I have to ask if I can order that one too and was going to wait until I can reach them  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 27, 2010, 05:58:47 PM
SO!!! A "Summary Judgement" IS officially filed for!!!!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

YEP

My guess is they were only waiting on those incriminating depositions.  Once they got those that was "all she wrote"  ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 27, 2010, 05:59:52 PM
Future Hearings

01/06/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion for Summary Judgment


01/27/2011 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Final Status Conference (T/D 2-7-2011)

02/07/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Jury Trial (-Final Status Conference-OSC RE: Re Sanctions for Failureof Plntf/Deft Counsel to Appear @FSC)


New docs coming in just a few minutes ::MonkeyCool::
::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: wreck on October 27, 2010, 06:04:47 PM
I noticed that "Summary Judgement" petition was "Served" to the Kalpoes attorneys in Chicago by a "Server" (by overnight mail) from Fort Worth, TX. I find that odd except for the fact Dr. Phil lives in the DFW Metroplex. I wonder why the notice wasn't served from his attorneys in California or hand delivered by a Chicago "server"?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: wreck on October 27, 2010, 06:05:58 PM
SO!!! A "Summary Judgement" IS officially filed for!!!!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

YEP

My guess is they were only waiting on those incriminating depositions.  Once they got those that was "all she wrote"  ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyGavel::
I agree!!!  ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Blue Moon on October 27, 2010, 06:09:42 PM
SO!!! A "Summary Judgement" IS officially filed for!!!!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

YEP

My guess is they were only waiting on those incriminating depositions.  Once they got those that was "all she wrote"  ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyGavel::

O.K. I am dense.  Please explain what this all means.  Thanks.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: wreck on October 27, 2010, 06:18:48 PM
SO!!! A "Summary Judgement" IS officially filed for!!!!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

YEP

My guess is they were only waiting on those incriminating depositions.  Once they got those that was "all she wrote"  ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyGavel::

O.K. I am dense.  Please explain what this all means.  Thanks.
A "Summary Judgement" means that one side is so convinced that the other side cannot win their case that they ask the Judge to rule before it goes to court. It is risky in that the judge could always rule the other way or at least think the other side MIGHT have a case that would need to go to trial. The Plaintiffs in this case would most likely be liable for the Defendents legal costs as well if the judge rules against them.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Buckeye on October 27, 2010, 06:26:00 PM
THEY JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND OUR SYSTEM ::MonkeyCool::

Did they include the "attached Memorandum of Points"?

Thanks Klaas.

There was a 37 page amended document also filed that cost a bit more and I didn't get.  Part I'm assuming pertain to the last doc I posted.  I have to ask if I can order that one too and was going to wait until I can reach them  ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 27, 2010, 06:35:51 PM
SO!!! A "Summary Judgement" IS officially filed for!!!!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

YEP

My guess is they were only waiting on those incriminating depositions.  Once they got those that was "all she wrote"  ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyGavel::

O.K. I am dense.  Please explain what this all means.  Thanks.
A "Summary Judgement" means that one side is so convinced that the other side cannot win their case that they ask the Judge to rule before it goes to court. It is risky in that the judge could always rule the other way or at least think the other side MIGHT have a case that would need to go to trial. The Plaintiffs in this case would most likely be liable for the Defendents legal costs as well if the judge rules against them.


And, I think the Kalpoe attorneys have to prove ALL of the allegations.  Dr. Phil's attorneys can attack
the weakest of the charges.  I think they have chosen to attack the defamation allegations.
Good choice, IMO.  You can't defame someone who has been in the news as a part of the Natalee case
since the beginning and has admitted to being a part of the sexual assault.

Watch out Kalpoes!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Blue Moon on October 27, 2010, 07:50:47 PM
Thanks all.  I would say this case is about over with.  No money for the Kalpoes and no money for Aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 27, 2010, 07:55:19 PM
Since I seem to have halted all conversation about the Kalpoe vs Dr. Phil lawsuit,
I guess I should add that if Dr. Phil's lawyers can show proof that the Kalpoes were
not defamed by the show, then it negates all of the other charges made by the Kalpoes.

Wreck, plese correct me if I am wrong. ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 27, 2010, 08:02:21 PM
Since I seem to have halted all conversation about the Kalpoe vs Dr. Phil lawsuit,
I guess I should add that if Dr. Phil's lawyers can show proof that the Kalpoes were
not defamed by the show, then it negates all of the other charges made by the Kalpoes.

Wreck, plese correct me if I am wrong. ::MonkeyJnBox::

I'm trying to find a way to post the entire next 39 page document.  It will help make more sense.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 27, 2010, 08:04:18 PM
Since I seem to have halted all conversation about the Kalpoe vs Dr. Phil lawsuit,
I guess I should add that if Dr. Phil's lawyers can show proof that the Kalpoes were
not defamed by the show, then it negates all of the other charges made by the Kalpoes.

Wreck, plese correct me if I am wrong. ::MonkeyJnBox::

You didn't halt the conversation at all Magnolia!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 27, 2010, 08:05:59 PM
Since I seem to have halted all conversation about the Kalpoe vs Dr. Phil lawsuit,
I guess I should add that if Dr. Phil's lawyers can show proof that the Kalpoes were
not defamed by the show, then it negates all of the other charges made by the Kalpoes.

Wreck, plese correct me if I am wrong. ::MonkeyJnBox::

I'm trying to find a way to post the entire next 39 page document.  It will help make more sense.
::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyCheer2::

Thanks Klaas!  Thanks anonymous monkey!   ::MonkeyKiss:: ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 27, 2010, 08:15:46 PM
UNDISPUTED FACTS - 49 PAGES

Will open in a pdf file

http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/DrPhilAmendedSummaryDoc2.pdf

WARNING  - IN READING THROUGH THERE IS SOME BAD LANGUAGE ATTRIBUTED TO DEEPAK IN CHATS.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 27, 2010, 08:27:18 PM
I know the watermark makes it hard to go through but since our kind Monkey is paying for them I didn't want to give out stuff for "free" without saying where it came from.

This document pretty much spells out the entire case and all the same reasons why we feel the Kalpoes don't have a case.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 27, 2010, 08:27:46 PM
I noticed that "Summary Judgement" petition was "Served" to the Kalpoes attorneys in Chicago by a "Server" (by overnight mail) from Fort Worth, TX. I find that odd except for the fact Dr. Phil lives in the DFW Metroplex. I wonder why the notice wasn't served from his attorneys in California or hand delivered by a Chicago "server"?

Another monkey sent this to me.   ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyKiss::

From 2007

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=752.msg275248#msg275248

snipped

JACKSON WALKER L.L.P. - Attorney for Defendant/Respondent


http://www.jw.com/site/jsp/officeinfo.jsp?office=FTW

Location
777 Main Street
Suite 2100
Fort Worth, Texas 76102
Tel: 817.334.7200
Fax: 817.334.7290





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 27, 2010, 08:45:23 PM
UNDISPUTED FACTS - 49 PAGES

Will open in a pdf file

http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/DrPhilAmendedSummaryDoc2.pdf

WARNING  - IN READING THROUGH THERE IS SOME BAD LANGUAGE ATTRIBUTED TO DEEPAK IN CHATS.

Thanks again Klaas, and our anonymous monkey!   ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyKiss:: ::CowboySmiley::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 27, 2010, 08:55:43 PM
The document is easier to read if you zoom out to 100%.  When I open it's like 134% or something.  It lays everything out, why there is no defamation, that the analysts that studied the tape claim Deepak says SHE DID (meaning she had sex with all of them).


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 27, 2010, 08:56:31 PM
UNDISPUTED FACTS - 49 PAGES

Will open in a pdf file

http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/DrPhilAmendedSummaryDoc2.pdf

WARNING  - IN READING THROUGH THERE IS SOME BAD LANGUAGE ATTRIBUTED TO DEEPAK IN CHATS.

I'm just about to click the link, but I'm sure the language is no worse than the words I've thought about Deepak!

Wow, Klaas! If we keep this up, SM's going to earn an "R" rating!     ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 27, 2010, 08:57:39 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/DrPhilAmendedSummaryDoc2.pdf

Page 19

Quote
Joran referred to Deepak as "Pimp," "sweetman," and "sweet thing," and Joran referred to Satish as "sweetman," and "sweet thing."

  :smt078


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 27, 2010, 09:01:44 PM
UNDISPUTED FACTS - 49 PAGES

Will open in a pdf file

http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/DrPhilAmendedSummaryDoc2.pdf

WARNING  - IN READING THROUGH THERE IS SOME BAD LANGUAGE ATTRIBUTED TO DEEPAK IN CHATS.

I'm just about to click the link, but I'm sure the language is no worse than the words I've thought about Deepak!

Wow, Klaas! If we keep this up, SM's going to earn an "R" rating!     ::MonkeyTongue::

It is in a legal document filed with the Superior Court of Los Angeles.    ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 27, 2010, 09:18:45 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/RegardingSheDidSkeeterTape.jpg)
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/Picture0004-2.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 27, 2010, 09:22:29 PM
it is a good read!  Thanks to Klaas and anonymouse monkey ::MonkeyHaHa::

That Deepak is such a POS.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 27, 2010, 09:22:58 PM
Did I know this??   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 27, 2010, 09:27:05 PM
Did I know this??   ::MonkeyEek::

Not in such detail and I think we were wondering if that is what he was saying.  Remember we had to rely on others to translate.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 27, 2010, 09:55:19 PM
Did I know this??   ::MonkeyEek::

Not in such detail and I think we were wondering if that is what he was saying.  Remember we had to rely on others to translate.

Yeah, that makes sense. We were thinking that Satish had an incidence prior to Natalee where he had run someone over. Thanks, Klaas!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 27, 2010, 10:12:17 PM
Did I know this??   ::MonkeyEek::


Translation of the Natalee Holloway Case police report
Kalpoe brothers and Joran van der Sloot accuse each other
DIARIO Aruba
4/20/2006


ORANJESTAD (AAN)

J says to D: Wait until I start saying things about you.
J says to D: Then I want to see if you’re going home.
D says to J: I guarantee you.
J says to D: You don’t think the police are interested to know that Satish hit a girl with the car?

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2006/04/translation-of-natalee-holloway-case.html



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 27, 2010, 10:19:37 PM
Thanks, Janet. I remember the car tape contents, but the translation didn't seem to be explicit that Natalee was the girl referred to in that segment.

I don't remember a 15 minute interview between Greta and Deepak. It's been a while, I know, but I was just wondering if any of you remember it?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 27, 2010, 10:21:08 PM
CBB vaguely.  Let me see if I can find anything on it.

OH, remember when Greta interviewed Deepak's mom?  I think it was around that time but I'll look.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Anna on October 27, 2010, 10:23:33 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/RegardingSheDidSkeeterTape.jpg)
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/Picture0004-2.jpg)


Yes, Deepak said "she did" in agreement with what Jamie Skeeters had just said.  If he had said "she didn't" it would have required explanation as it would be contrary to the conversation and the context.  It would have made no sense if he said "didn't" without follow up on that.  I never understood how or why there was controversy about that.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Anna on October 27, 2010, 10:28:35 PM
Thanks, Janet. I remember the car tape contents, but the translation didn't seem to be explicit that Natalee was the girl referred to in that segment.

I don't remember a 15 minute interview between Greta and Deepak. It's been a while, I know, but I was just wondering if any of you remember it?


That was my understanding as well, CBB.  That he hit "a girl" and so assumed it was not Natalee since she wasn't named.  Now it seems it was.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Still reading. . . .



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 27, 2010, 10:45:04 PM
CBB vaguely.  Let me see if I can find anything on it.

OH, remember when Greta interviewed Deepak's mom?  I think it was around that time but I'll look.

Klaas........... I'm sorry! I don't mean to run you ragged! It's OK! If you remember it even vaguely, I'd bet it happened and if there was any significance to it, I'm sure it would be in the collective memory here! Back to reading...........


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 27, 2010, 11:05:34 PM
Well, the lawsuit always was BS. I think it's over. The Kalpoe's don't have a leg to stand on, IMO. I wish that on them literally, BTW.   ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 27, 2010, 11:12:19 PM
TICK_TOCK_SATISH & DEEPAK

After they lose this case,they better watch their hands.Hands in pockets is never a good thing.Will it be a heart attack,scuba diving accident,suicide by driving off of cliff,drug overdose..Time will tell..Tick_Tock ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 27, 2010, 11:13:06 PM
Well, the lawsuit always was BS. I think it's over. The Kalpoe's don't have a leg to stand on, IMO. I wish that on them literally, BTW.   ::CowboySmiley::

ROFL!! I'm sure it's because I've had a long day at work, but once the thought of K2 without legs became a vision in my brain, I can't quit laughing!! 

They'd be soooooo short!!   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 27, 2010, 11:15:56 PM
TICK_TOCK_SATISH & DEEPAK

After they lose this case,they better watch their hands.Hands in pockets is never a good thing.Will it be a heart attack,scuba diving accident,suicide by driving off of cliff,drug overdose..Time will tell..Tick_Tock ::MonkeyShocked::

(http://bestsmileys.com/clocks/3.gif)  (http://bestsmileys.com/clocks/3.gif)

2 clocks, one Satish, one for Deepak


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 27, 2010, 11:17:22 PM
TICK_TOCK_SATISH & DEEPAK

After they lose this case,they better watch their hands.Hands in pockets is never a good thing.Will it be a heart attack,scuba diving accident,suicide by driving off of cliff,drug overdose..Time will tell..Tick_Tock ::MonkeyShocked::

(http://bestsmileys.com/clocks/3.gif)  (http://bestsmileys.com/clocks/3.gif)

2 clocks, one Satish, one for Deepak

::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Anna on October 27, 2010, 11:39:39 PM
I do believe Dr. Phil will be successful with this latest court filing.

JMO but I doubt this suit would have ever been filed had they known that Dr. Phil and CBS would actually fight it.  Or had they known that Joran would strike again and so obviously.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 27, 2010, 11:52:54 PM
TICK_TOCK_SATISH & DEEPAK

After they lose this case,they better watch their hands.Hands in pockets is never a good thing.Will it be a heart attack,scuba diving accident,suicide by driving off of cliff,drug overdose..Time will tell..Tick_Tock ::MonkeyShocked::

Sitting at a computer, driving a car.......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 27, 2010, 11:55:38 PM
TICK_TOCK_SATISH & DEEPAK

After they lose this case,they better watch their hands.Hands in pockets is never a good thing.Will it be a heart attack,scuba diving accident,suicide by driving off of cliff,drug overdose..Time will tell..Tick_Tock ::MonkeyShocked::

Sitting at a computer, driving a car.......

oops, you did say driving off a cliff.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 28, 2010, 12:14:02 AM
TICK_TOCK_SATISH & DEEPAK

After they lose this case,they better watch their hands.Hands in pockets is never a good thing.Will it be a heart attack,scuba diving accident,suicide by driving off of cliff,drug overdose..Time will tell..Tick_Tock ::MonkeyShocked::


Sitting at a computer, driving a car.......

oops, you did say driving off a cliff.....
::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 28, 2010, 12:19:57 AM
TICK_TOCK_SATISH & DEEPAK

After they lose this case,they better watch their hands.Hands in pockets is never a good thing.Will it be a heart attack,scuba diving accident,suicide by driving off of cliff,drug overdose..Time will tell..Tick_Tock ::MonkeyShocked::


Sitting at a computer, driving a car.......

oops, you did say driving off a cliff.....
::MonkeyHaHa::
Dennis Jacobs will claim The 2PAK brothers were busy watching porn on one of the TV's they have in their car and drove off a cliff,with one hand in the pocket!No?Maybe? ::MonkeyShovel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Buckeye on October 28, 2010, 12:23:52 AM
Thanks Klaas and anonymous monkey.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 28, 2010, 12:28:59 AM
TICK_TOCK_SATISH & DEEPAK

After they lose this case,they better watch their hands.Hands in pockets is never a good thing.Will it be a heart attack,scuba diving accident,suicide by driving off of cliff,drug overdose..Time will tell..Tick_Tock ::MonkeyShocked::


Sitting at a computer, driving a car.......

oops, you did say driving off a cliff.....
::MonkeyHaHa::

Hi KTF!............ I just noticed your signature line. I really love it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 28, 2010, 12:34:35 AM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/DeepakChatJoran.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 28, 2010, 12:36:23 AM
TICK_TOCK_SATISH & DEEPAK

After they lose this case,they better watch their hands.Hands in pockets is never a good thing.Will it be a heart attack,scuba diving accident,suicide by driving off of cliff,drug overdose..Time will tell..Tick_Tock ::MonkeyShocked::


Sitting at a computer, driving a car.......

oops, you did say driving off a cliff.....
::MonkeyHaHa::

Hi KTF!............ I just noticed your signature line. I really love it.
Good evening CBB.Appreciate that!What one can accomplish without violence is extrordinary.My hope is that behind the efforts of many,we as a group,can help to change history.Even if it is a very small role in the big picture of Justice.Me thinks this collective group is deserving of some VERY good karma..God Bless ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 28, 2010, 12:36:34 AM
Prior to the Dr. Phil show:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/PriortoDrPhil.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 28, 2010, 12:39:42 AM
Prior to the Dr. Phil show:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/PriortoDrPhil.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/PriortoDrPhil2.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 28, 2010, 12:46:22 AM
A BIG THANKS TO DR.PHIL,AND CBS,FOR TAKEN IT TO THE LIMIT!

::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 28, 2010, 12:52:15 AM
They rolled the dice and came up snake eyes........ ::MonkeyShovel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 28, 2010, 01:09:24 AM
They rolled the dice and came up snake eyes........ ::MonkeyShovel::
You tell em KFT! ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 28, 2010, 01:12:13 AM
Billb.. ::MonkeyDance:: Come out so we can dance... ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Agraria on October 28, 2010, 01:13:03 AM
They rolled the dice and came up snake eyes........ ::MonkeyShovel::
ink=topic=8719.msg1253780#msg1253780 date=1288241535]
They rolled the dice and came up snake eyes........ ::MonkeyShovel::
[/quote]

FINALLY!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 28, 2010, 01:14:31 AM
They rolled the dice and came up snake eyes........ ::MonkeyShovel::
ink=topic=8719.msg1253780#msg1253780 date=1288241535]
They rolled the dice and came up snake eyes........ ::MonkeyShovel::

FINALLY!!!

[/quote]

We ain't done yet Agraria... ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Agraria on October 28, 2010, 01:36:00 AM
They rolled the dice and came up snake eyes........ ::MonkeyShovel::
ink=topic=8719.msg1253780#msg1253780 date=1288241535]
They rolled the dice and came up snake eyes........ ::MonkeyShovel::

FINALLY!!!


We ain't done yet Agraria... ::MonkeyAngel::
[/quote]

PLEASE...say it again!! 

I am so weary of the good people being taken down. (Just had to voice that.)

I know that these evils are being exposed in an odd and slow pattern. Not the time frame of justice I was hoping and praying for but miraculous and to the point so far...I see it as having dug their hole even deeper now. Fully earning the life they are going to get...

NOW THAT would be the justice they deserve.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 28, 2010, 01:44:49 AM
They rolled the dice and came up snake eyes........ ::MonkeyShovel::
ink=topic=8719.msg1253780#msg1253780 date=1288241535]
They rolled the dice and came up snake eyes........ ::MonkeyShovel::

FINALLY!!!


We ain't done yet Agraria... ::MonkeyAngel::

PLEASE...say it again!! 

I am so weary of the good people being taken down. (Just had to voice that.)

I know that these evils are being exposed in an odd and slow pattern. Not the time frame of justice I was hoping and praying for but miraculous and to the point so far...I see it as having dug their hole even deeper now. Fully earning the life they are going to get...

NOW THAT would be the justice they deserve.
[/quote]
Urine is prison for murdering Stephany Flores,and the USA has three Assistant U.S. attorneys prosecuting the extortion case.That there is some SERIOUS business.Not 1,not 2,but three Assistant U.S. attorneys. ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: msmarple on October 28, 2010, 02:01:04 AM
Thank you klaas for posting those documents, and to the mystery monkey who is making it $ possible.

I wonder if we ever will be privy to the exhibits ...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 28, 2010, 02:26:17 AM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/DeepakChatJoran.jpg)

How many times did Joran say it worked?.."Like we have done this 20 times before and nothing bad happened"

That little excerpt just shows you they were getting more and more brazen with every rape victim they set-up!  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: pinkbanana on October 28, 2010, 02:29:46 AM
Hi Monkey Family

I hope all is well! I've been a busy monkey moving from one state to another but I NEVER forget about
Our Girl Natalee!  ::MonkeyAngel::

So HAPPY to read what I read when I signed on!  ::MonkeyDance::
I have so much to catch up on so off I go to finish reading!

God BLESS!

pb


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 28, 2010, 02:36:07 AM
Hi Monkey Family

I hope all is well! I've been a busy monkey moving from one state to another but I NEVER forget about
Our Girl Natalee!  ::MonkeyAngel::

So HAPPY to read what I read when I signed on!  ::MonkeyDance::
I have so much to catch up on so off I go to finish reading!

God BLESS!





pb

God Bless PB! ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Sharon/Tx on October 28, 2010, 07:01:10 AM
UNDISPUTED FACTS - 49 PAGES

Will open in a pdf file

http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/DrPhilAmendedSummaryDoc2.pdf

WARNING  - IN READING THROUGH THERE IS SOME BAD LANGUAGE ATTRIBUTED TO DEEPAK IN CHATS.

Thank you Klaasend and the Anonymous Monkey that paid for the documents.  I cannot imagine reading what I just read and being Beth or Dave.  Satish and Deepak are lower than scum and I hope Dr. Phil wins!  I hope every day is worse than the day before for Joran, Deepak and Satish.  I hope nothing but misery and bad karma follow them the rest of their lying lives.  It makes me sick to think of all of the girls that they took advantage of.  Shame on you Aruba for covering their lies up.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: can on October 28, 2010, 07:38:07 AM
Thanks to Klaas and the monkey who provides the documents!

I have a question.  If this is summarily dismissed what are the follow-up legal consequences for the Kalpoes? 

Could the Kalpoes be sued?

Will this assist Beth in bringing a civil action against them?

TIA.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: can on October 28, 2010, 07:40:34 AM
-and Good morning Monkeys!

T i c k  t o c k !   T i c k  t o c k !


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 28, 2010, 08:21:05 AM
-and Good morning Monkeys!

T i c k  t o c k !   T i c k  t o c k !

Good morning can, monks and guests (http://bestsmileys.com/coffee/2.gif)

(http://bestsmileys.com/clocks/3.gif)  (http://bestsmileys.com/clocks/3.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: can on October 28, 2010, 08:33:49 AM
-and Good morning Monkeys!

T i c k  t o c k !   T i c k  t o c k !

Good morning can, monks and guests (http://bestsmileys.com/coffee/2.gif)

(http://bestsmileys.com/clocks/3.gif)  (http://bestsmileys.com/clocks/3.gif)

Good morning to you Muffy.  Was hoping you would oblige, ty.  ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 28, 2010, 09:16:55 AM
http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Beth-Holloway-on-Dutch-TV-show-Sunday/l7V9rTC_10mhINQ1nvjMwQ.cspx

(http://www.cbs42.com/media/lib/124/2/e/f/2ef4e1c0-c93e-4ba2-9216-9dac7fc86341/Story.jpg)

Beth Holloway on Dutch TV show Sunday

Last Update: 3:03 am

Beth Holloway will talk about Joran van der Sloot's attempt to extort money from the family in exchange for information about the death of her daughter Natalee.

It's part of the season kickoff of a crime tv show on Dutch network SBS6 Sunday, October 31.

Beth Holloway and Dutch crime reporter Peter R. DeVries made headlines on three continents when they somehow got Holloway into van der Sloot's prison cell in Peru. She apparently accompanied de Vries TV crew on an interview but was escorted out when prison officials realized who she was.

During that incident van der Sloot refused to answer questions from Beth Holloway referring all questions to his Peruvian lawyer.

According to de Vries website, Sunday's broadcast will include "For the first time Beth Holloway tells the shocking story about the extortion by Joran van der Sloot."

Mountain Brook teenager Natalee Holloway disappeared on a 2005 graduation trip to Aruba. She was last seen in the company of van der Sloot. Although he's considered the prime suspect in the case, he has never been charged by Aruban authorities.

DeVries has followed the case for years and has previously televised hidden camera interviews where van der Sloot has told a variety of stories about Natalee's fate...all of which van der Sloot later denied.

Van der Sloot is currently awaiting trial in Peru for the murder of a 21 year old student. Stephany Flores body was found in his Lima hotel room five years to the day of Natalee's disappearance on Aruba. Van der Sloot confessed to killing her after she found material about Natalee on his laptop. He is appealing to have that confession thrown out claiming coercion and procedural irregularities. That appeal is pending.

Van der Sloot has also been indicted here in Birmingham on federal extortion charges stemming from an alleged attempt to get money from the Holloway family. That charge is stuck in line behind the Peruvian murder charge.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 28, 2010, 09:52:32 AM
I'm really surprised that there is zero discussion about the Kalpoe suit these days at GM or RU.  I guess they aren't happy that the Kalpoes aren't going to be able to extort money from us (us being Americans and an American program).


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 28, 2010, 10:01:48 AM
I'm really surprised that there is zero discussion about the Kalpoe suit these days at GM or RU.  I guess they aren't happy that the Kalpoes aren't going to be able to extort money from us (us being Americans and an American program).

Maybe they don't know yet. ::MonkeyDevil::

I suspect that GM is doing all of their discussing at BFN.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: can on October 28, 2010, 11:26:20 AM
I'm really surprised that there is zero discussion about the Kalpoe suit these days at GM or RU.  I guess they aren't happy that the Kalpoes aren't going to be able to extort money from us (us being Americans and an American program).

Maybe they don't know yet. ::MonkeyDevil::

I suspect that GM is doing all of their discussing at BFN.

BFN are discussing with the aid of SM documents. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: carpe noctem on October 28, 2010, 12:04:48 PM
Hey, goon boy finally made a top ten list! It`s not a good one, though. ::MonkeyBike::


To follow is Dr. Glass’s list of “Top 10 Toxic Men of 2010”:



1. Charlie Sheen – The Self-Destructive Gloom-and-Doom Victim

2. Mel Gibson – The Angry Bullying Control Freak

3. Joran Van Der Sloot – The Socio-Psychopath

4. Bernie Madoff – The Emotional Refrigerator

5. John Edwards – The Wishy-Washy Spineless Wimp

6. Jesse James – The Sneaky Passive-Aggressive Silent-but-Deadly Erupting Volcano

7. Tiger Woods – The Seductive Manipulative Cheating Liar

8. Chris Brown – The Jealous Competitor

9. Michael Lohan – The Instigating Backstabbing Meddler

10. Kanye West – The Selfish Me-Myself-and-I Narcissist


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: mojo on October 28, 2010, 12:45:07 PM
sueing the Kalpoes would be a waste of time and money.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 28, 2010, 12:47:29 PM
Hey, goon boy finally made a top ten list! It`s not a good one, though. ::MonkeyBike::


To follow is Dr. Glass’s list of “Top 10 Toxic Men of 2010”:



1. Charlie Sheen – The Self-Destructive Gloom-and-Doom Victim

2. Mel Gibson – The Angry Bullying Control Freak

3. Joran Van Der Sloot – The Socio-Psychopath

4. Bernie Madoff – The Emotional Refrigerator

5. John Edwards – The Wishy-Washy Spineless Wimp

6. Jesse James – The Sneaky Passive-Aggressive Silent-but-Deadly Erupting Volcano

7. Tiger Woods – The Seductive Manipulative Cheating Liar

8. Chris Brown – The Jealous Competitor

9. Michael Lohan – The Instigating Backstabbing Meddler

10. Kanye West – The Selfish Me-Myself-and-I Narcissist
I'm extremely confident that you've made sure that Diario,and BonDia have this list Carpe!They must know what Arubas finest has become.. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 28, 2010, 12:48:53 PM
sueing the Kalpoes would be a waste of time and money.
It would be interesting to see if anyone would represent them at that point!  ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 28, 2010, 12:51:43 PM
I'm really surprised that there is zero discussion about the Kalpoe suit these days at GM or RU.  I guess they aren't happy that the Kalpoes aren't going to be able to extort money from us (us being Americans and an American program).

Maybe they don't know yet. ::MonkeyDevil::

I suspect that GM is doing all of their discussing at BFN.

BFN are discussing with the aid of SM documents. 

Thanks to our generous, anonymous monkey & Klaas.   ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 28, 2010, 01:20:10 PM
Keepthefaith and 9 Guests   ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 28, 2010, 01:48:53 PM
Keepthefaith and 9 Guests   ::monkeywine2::

Looks like there's a whole band of monkeys running round nekkid.   ::MonkeyEek::  Including me!  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 28, 2010, 01:54:37 PM
Keepthefaith and 9 Guests   ::monkeywine2::

Looks like there's a whole band of monkeys running round nekkid.   ::MonkeyEek::  Including me!  ::MonkeyShocked::
::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 28, 2010, 02:28:22 PM
Keepthefaith and 9 Guests   ::monkeywine2::

Looks like there's a whole band of monkeys running round nekkid.   ::MonkeyEek::  Including me!  ::MonkeyShocked::
::MonkeyDance::

Alrighty then!   ::MonkeyHaHa::   Back to our normal programming after adjusting thing-a-ma-bobs.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Jonathan45 on October 28, 2010, 02:30:07 PM
Peter R. de Vries sold his new two reports [ the meeting Beth and Joran in jail and the extortion case] to CBS. They will broadcast it this weekend. On Sunday.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Jonathan45 on October 28, 2010, 02:35:48 PM
Correction: They = SBS and CBS.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Jonathan45 on October 28, 2010, 02:41:02 PM
The Dutch program ' De wereld draait door" showed some shots from Beth Holloway waiting for Joran to enter the room of the managing director [the jailboss]
Hidden cameras plugged into an electric point.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 28, 2010, 02:45:58 PM
I'm really surprised that there is zero discussion about the Kalpoe suit these days at GM or RU.  I guess they aren't happy that the Kalpoes aren't going to be able to extort money from us (us being Americans and an American program).

Maybe they don't know yet. ::MonkeyDevil::

I suspect that GM is doing all of their discussing at BFN.

BFN are discussing with the aid of SM documents. 

Well, I hope that the spelling meets with Debbie's approval.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 28, 2010, 03:06:44 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/RegardingSheDidSkeeterTape.jpg)
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/Picture0004-2.jpg)


The NFI Investigation

As a challenge to the above ... is it possible that the Kalpoes' attorneys would summit the NFI findings to the court as evidence to support the lawsuit's claim that Deepak's words in the Phil McGraw recording were deceptive manipulated or ...

Is it possible that Arlene Ellis Schipper was furthering the Aruban cover up agenda?  In other words ... she lied to the American people on the Rita Cosby Show in regards to the findings of the NFI investigation of the tape.

+++++++

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for December 1
updated 7:37 a.m. PT, Fri., Dec. 2, 2005


ARLENE ELLIS SCHIPPER, ARUBAN STRATEGIC COMM. TASK FORCE: Well, it's not what I think, it is what the Dutch forensic institute thinks and what we have also requested the FBI to confirm, which confirmation we haven't received yet.

However, the NFI had four investigators separately look at these tapes, and they say that the Dr. Phil show tapes were edited for content in the following order. Just before the word “she,” there was a cut. And just after the word “did,” there was a cut. And then they compared it to the CD-ROM that Mr. Skeeters sent the officials, and you have seen that piece, and it says, “No, she didn't.” And he shakes his head while doing—while saying that.

COSBY:  Now, you mentioned, Arlene, that the FBI—we know that they also have the tape.  When do you think you're going to hear back from them?  And do you think that they're going to make their results public?

SCHIPPER:  I hope so, actually.  And you know what?  Because officially, of course, the court-appointed forensic institute is the NFI, the Netherlands.  But for comfort, the authorities here sent it also for your comfort, actually, your American comfort—the authorities also sent it to the FBI with—through an MLAT (ph) procedure, which is a mutual—just mutual legal assistance treaty between our countries.

And they also requested, on recommendation of the NFI, to investigate the hard disk of Mr. Skeeters.  And based on that, he volunteered his hard disk.  So we are waiting already for two weeks on those results.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 28, 2010, 03:10:37 PM
Thanks, Janet. I remember the car tape contents, but the translation didn't seem to be explicit that Natalee was the girl referred to in that segment.

I don't remember a 15 minute interview between Greta and Deepak. It's been a while, I know, but I was just wondering if any of you remember it?

Another monkey sent me this link by email today.   ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyKiss:: 

Maybe this is what they're referring to?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161786,00.html

Heading Home
Thursday, July 07, 2005
By Greta Van Susteren


Late Wednesday night I wrote the blog below because I could not sleep... but minutes ago I was awakened with a call to return to the United States immediately. Obviously the terrorism in London is the reason. I am not sure where I am headed, what city I can get to in the United States, what flights are available, etc., but we are leaving Aruba (that is all I know at this moment.)

Here is the text that I thought would lead the blog today:

Our day yesterday in Aruba (search) started as every day does: We all have breakfast together and decide where to go first, the days are beginning to blur here for us since we spend hours and hours in the car driving around trying to get information. After a full day of driving and trying to get info, we then get ready for our show. Our day often — not always — ends at 11 p.m. when we turn the lights off on our set. (And yes, this is a long schedule but nothing like the schedule of the families of missing children!)


Yesterday we started with a trip to the Van der Sloot (search) home. We yelled from their gate that we were there and asked if we could talk to them. Two young boys came out, looked at us and said, "Oh no!" They left and no one would come out. The two family dogs came out wagging their tails and seemingly happy to see us. They did not bark at us but at one point both took off running at a lizard that crossed the driveway. (Yes, as long as we were there, we fed the monkey in the cage in the neighbor's yard with the food taken from the hotel buffet for that very purpose. The monkey is getting friendlier to us.)

After leaving the Van der Sloot house, we headed to the Kalpoe home a short distance away. The Kalpoe brothers' mother opened the door to our knock and talked to us on the porch for about 90 minutes. She has been very friendly in the past but she did not want us in the house today since both boys are now home and she did not want us to talk to her sons. After much talk, we convinced her to introduce us to Deepak (Satish was still sleeping.) We sat down with Deepak and spoke for about 30 minutes (no cameras.) His mother also sat there with us.

We talked about his interrogation, his detention and briefly about Joran. We hope to go back today and have him talk on camera. He may feel more comfortable with us today now that he has met us.


After leaving the Kalpoe home, we went to the chief prosecutor's office. We were told she was "on break" (I think that meant at lunch) but we are patient so we sat down and waited. We waited for about an hour and she appeared from the parking lot. She spotted me and turned her head away and said, as she turned away, "I have to work." I immediately — and politely — introduced myself and I stuck out my hand to shake hers. She reluctantly shook my hand but I felt like she worried her hand might fall off having touched mine. She then turned and left. Yes, she is busy and yes, she has a big job right now. She clearly did not want to talk to me. That's OK. As an aside, we want information — we do not seek to impede the investigation. I did not get a chance to tell her that. She was gone in a flash.

We then got back in the car and headed to the home of one of the anti-media demonstrators' homes. (Two days ago about 200 Arubans demonstrated in front of the courthouse — showing support for the released Kalpoes and complaining about the media.) We interviewed the gentleman and showed that taped interview on last night's show. As an aside, despite being part of the group demonstrating against us, he was very nice to us and very open to a discussion about the American media and the coverage of Aruban judicial system and Natalee Holloway. I enjoyed talking to him. (Note: His wife also could not have been nicer to us! She kept offering us water, tea, etc.)

After we finished the demonstrator's interview, we got back in the car and raced to an interview with Natalee's mother, Beth. In almost every investigation, the first 24 hours are critical for collecting information, clues, etc., so I wanted to walk Beth through that first 24 hours. I wanted to know what she heard, when, who she talked to, etc. Her memory could contain important clues. We played part of that interview last night and will play more tonight. No one had walked Beth through that 24 hours in great detail so I figured it might be informative. Of course, besides learning the facts, we are also reminded of the great pain this woman suffers.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Kermit on October 28, 2010, 03:14:08 PM
ROGER SCRUX CLAIMED THAT HE RECEIVED THE SKEETERS TAPE DIRECTLY FROM ARUBA LAW ENFORCEMENT - THEY GAVE EVIDENCE TO A BLOGGER!

http://www.scrux.com/discuss/viewtopic.php?t=118
January 30, 2006

I only know what I have been told. I received the recording directly from the Aruban Police Department. I was told that it is exactly what was provided to the NFI (Netherlands Forensic Institute) and verified as having not been manipulated in any way.

<snipped>

Some people have speculated that I probably got this from a defense attorney or maybe one of the Aruban public relations groups. I did not get a copy from any of those sources. I simply would not have hosted the recording if it had come from anyone other than the proper authority. Receiving this directly from the Aruban Police provided me assurance and confidence that it was exactly what they maintained it to be.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Kermit on October 28, 2010, 03:15:00 PM
09/10/2008 Miscellaneous-Other (UNOPPOSED APPLICATION FOR COMMISSION TO TAKE
ORAL DEPOSITION OF A NON-PARTY IN FLORIA )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent


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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Kermit on October 28, 2010, 03:17:47 PM
Janet,
I think this may help to explain why the attorney's for Dr. Phil maintain the lawsuit and have stated they will not settle the case. Hope this helps.
ribbit



But in court papers filed Wednesday, attorneys for CBS, McGraw and Kay Skeeters -- widow of Jeremy Skeeters, a private investigator hired by McGraw to interview Deepak Kalpoe -- maintain the brothers are "libel-proof."

They say the brothers' reputations were irreparably stained by prior published accounts of the Holloway case, meaning they cannot claim to have been damaged by the "Dr. Phil" broadcast.
http://origin.dailynews.com/breakingnews/ci_9575645


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Kermit on October 28, 2010, 03:19:01 PM
TWO CELL PHONE EACH
A PDA
5 EMAIL ADDRESS
TWO COMPUTER
http://homepage.mac.com/mcgraw.kalpoe.docs/.Public/kalpoemcgraw/021408D_MTDismiss.pdf
Page 8 of Dr. Phil motion to compel




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 28, 2010, 03:21:49 PM
Janet,
I think this may help to explain why the attorney's for Dr. Phil maintain the lawsuit and have stated they will not settle the case. Hope this helps.
ribbit



But in court papers filed Wednesday, attorneys for CBS, McGraw and Kay Skeeters -- widow of Jeremy Skeeters, a private investigator hired by McGraw to interview Deepak Kalpoe -- maintain the brothers are "libel-proof."

They say the brothers' reputations were irreparably stained by prior published accounts of the Holloway case, meaning they cannot claim to have been damaged by the "Dr. Phil" broadcast.
http://origin.dailynews.com/breakingnews/ci_9575645


Ribbit

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Kermit on October 28, 2010, 03:23:10 PM
(http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/9508/kermitmovie.jpg)
 ::MonkeyJnBox::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 28, 2010, 03:28:49 PM
 ::MonkeySlide:: ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Kermit on October 28, 2010, 03:30:00 PM
Prior to the Dr. Phil show:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/PriortoDrPhil.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/PriortoDrPhil2.jpg)


(http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/2733/kalpoe24.jpg)

STILL SUSPECTS in Holloway case
(http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/8063/16490008.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Kermit on October 28, 2010, 03:33:27 PM
Search for blood in Deepak's car
June 9, 2005
pages 3
writer:Hahn-FBI - Tromp,Ras
source: Technische Opsporings-en Herkenningsdienst
location: Divisie Centrale Recherche/Aruba E. page 32/33

DNA comparison
July 11, 2005
pages 12
writer: Vander Scheer/ Bink
description: DNA comparison- between blood samples and deepaks car seat samples
source: NFI
location: Den Haag, Holland E. page 36

Car seat investigation
August 30, 2005
pages 5-one attachment
writer: Bink
description forensic analysis on car seat of Deepak's car
source: NFI
location: 's Gravenhage, Netherlands E. page 39

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Kermit on October 28, 2010, 03:35:12 PM
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/SatishWorks.jpg)



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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Kermit on October 28, 2010, 03:35:38 PM
Satish says he's been attending "Penn Foster Online High School"
http://www.pennfostercollege.edu/index.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Kermit on October 28, 2010, 03:42:30 PM
CARPE - YOU LEFT OUT THE TWO  LEPRECHAUNS!!!!![/b]

(http://scaredmonkeys.com/fun-images/Holloway_Kalpoes_small.jpg)
 The Kalpoe’s were arrested by the ALE. They brought that upon themsleves. It was the 3 suspects who lied to the police and stated they returned Natalee Holloway to the Holiday Inn the night they drove off with her from Carlos ‘n Charlie’s. It was the suspects who lied about the two black security guards and implicated them in a crime where they were arrested. It was the three suspects who continually changed their stories and statements to the police and investigators.
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/07/12/dr-phil-attorneys-use-scared-monkeys-natalee-holloway-posts-as-exhibit-in-court-docs-against-deepak-satish-kalpoes/






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Kermit on October 28, 2010, 03:43:16 PM
just you and me Mags. ::monkeywine2::


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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 28, 2010, 03:49:24 PM
just you and me Mags. ::monkeywine2::


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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 28, 2010, 03:52:20 PM
Peter R. de Vries sold his new two reports [ the meeting Beth and Joran in jail and the extortion case] to CBS. They will broadcast it this weekend. On Sunday.
Correction: They = SBS and CBS.

I checked the CBS listings for Sunday...the usual programming and nothing related to this case.  I would think that if there were to be an airing on CBS there would be advertising prior to the show.  Perhaps the SBS airing will be viewed here at a later date. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 28, 2010, 03:54:32 PM
just you and me Mags. ::monkeywine2::


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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Kermit on October 28, 2010, 03:55:26 PM
just you and me Mags. ::monkeywine2::


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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Kermit on October 28, 2010, 03:56:23 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 28, 2010, 03:57:38 PM
just you and me Mags. ::monkeywine2::


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I'm never far away either.    I just don't like keeping too many windows open...  I check in and out of here constantly as I buzz around the forum  ::bee:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 28, 2010, 04:29:31 PM
Peter R. de Vries sold his new two reports [ the meeting Beth and Joran in jail and the extortion case] to CBS. They will broadcast it this weekend. On Sunday.
Correction: They = SBS and CBS.

I checked the CBS listings for Sunday...the usual programming and nothing related to this case.  I would think that if there were to be an airing on CBS there would be advertising prior to the show.  Perhaps the SBS airing will be viewed here at a later date. 



I looked too, 2NJ.  Couldn't find a thing about it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 28, 2010, 04:42:38 PM
Peter R. de Vries sold his new two reports [ the meeting Beth and Joran in jail and the extortion case] to CBS. They will broadcast it this weekend. On Sunday.
Correction: They = SBS and CBS.

I checked the CBS listings for Sunday...the usual programming and nothing related to this case.  I would think that if there were to be an airing on CBS there would be advertising prior to the show.  Perhaps the SBS airing will be viewed here at a later date. 



I looked too, 2NJ.  Couldn't find a thing about it.

Thanks for checking 2NJ & Magnolia.  Hopefully if someone finds the date and time of the airing, we'll get notice. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Jonathan45 on October 28, 2010, 05:04:05 PM
Here is a Dutch link. It needs a translation.


http://zappen.blog.nl/sbs-broadcasting/2010/10/28/cbs-koopt-repo-peter-r-de-vries-met-beth-holloway-in-peru


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Jonathan45 on October 28, 2010, 05:06:02 PM
The Insider - CBS


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 28, 2010, 05:15:11 PM
Here is a Dutch link. It needs a translation.


http://zappen.blog.nl/sbs-broadcasting/2010/10/28/cbs-koopt-repo-peter-r-de-vries-met-beth-holloway-in-peru

Thank you Jonathan.  I wonder if my droid has a language translation app... ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 28, 2010, 05:16:51 PM

STILL SUSPECTS in Holloway case

(http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/8063/16490008.jpg)



Ribbit!

In a 2008 statement from the Prosecutor's office the implication was that the Kalpoes were no longer suspects but Joran van der Sloot was.

The family has been aware since early on in 2005 that case files could not be released while the Natalee Holloway investigation was on-going.

John Kelly was aware in September, 2007 that the Kalpoes' attorneys had no intention of affording the McGraw attorneys case documents.

Janet

+++++

Growing Frustration in Aruba
Wednesday, July 06, 2005


GEORGE "JUG" TWITTY: I've tried every tactic. I think I've made every policeman, every person working on the case here, you know, mad. But you know, what I have to do as a stepfather to try to get Natalee back.  Well, the way the system works down here, when the case is closed, we will have all that information, and we can release it to the world.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161705,00.html


Holloway Case: New Kalpoe Documents
Friday, September 14, 2007


JOHN KELLY, FAMILY'S ATTORNEY: I believe David Koch (ph), one of the attorneys for the Kalpoes actually signed a declaration at the court indicating that even if the court ordered the documents be turned over, they were not going to turn them over ...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296798,00.html



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 28, 2010, 05:17:55 PM
The Insider - CBS

NEW YORK, NY
WCBS-TV
Monday - Friday 7:00P; Sunday 1:35A

This show is an hour long rag mag type of program.  If there is anything on it regarding Beth & Peter, I doubt it will have much detail. 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 28, 2010, 05:24:41 PM
Here is a Dutch link. It needs a translation.


http://zappen.blog.nl/sbs-broadcasting/2010/10/28/cbs-koopt-repo-peter-r-de-vries-met-beth-holloway-in-peru

Used Google Translator:

Dutch to English translation
CBS buys repo Peter R. de Vries with Beth Holloway in Peru
SBS 6 on Sunday sends the first of two parts of Peter R. Ferris Crime Reporter in Peru from where he and Beth Holloway looks for answers. The station now reports that the CBS program "The Insider The two-part report is purchased.

In the first episode of this diptych Beth Holloway tells for the first time how the extortion in his work is gone, that Joran van der Sloot's wanted to extort $ 250,000.

For that money he promised to designate the place where he had buried remains of Natalee. Beth Holloway Peter provided all emails that Joran wrote to her. These give a shocking picture of the ruthless, calculating way he has the feelings of Natalee's mother played. Beth eventually paid $ 25,000 advance to Joran. At that time, the FBI turned on, which captured everything. Peter also got access to the FBI reports.

In the second episode, broadcast on November 7, we see how Beth and Peter de Castro Castro prison in Lima enters, where Beth under the eye of the camera has a confrontation with Joran van der Sloot. The American press has already visited the headlines of the news reached but images are still not sent out. In Peru, Beth and Peter also had an emotional meeting with the brother of the murdered Stephany Flores.

It is the second time that a report by Peter R. de Vries in the United States by a large network is purchased and sent. ABC did earlier with the notorious hidden camera action with Patrick van der Eem, Peter that an International Emmy award.

Peter: "It is an incredibly special trip with Beth and that has a unique, gripping material delivered. Beth Holloway has over the past six years done nothing in the press, and has never been published anywhere responded. That they then my program does everything explained, while American's transmission time on the pavement layers, is something I'm proud. I'm with Beth over the years a bond of trust and that has resulted in this unique collaboration. CBS also broadcast the documentary that is very beautiful. It has since our return with various parties in the U.S. said, but I'm glad it at The Insider on CBS ended. "

See also:
- Peter R. Ferris opens new season with Beth Holloway
- Tina Nijkamp (SBS): Dal is behind us


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 28, 2010, 09:12:30 PM
The Insider - CBS

NEW YORK, NY
WCBS-TV
Monday - Friday 7:00P; Sunday 1:35A

This show is an hour long rag mag type of program.  If there is anything on it regarding Beth & Peter, I doubt it will have much detail. 



I think I was wrong...it's 30 minutes...followed by Entertainment Tonight aka ET.  Maybe they are doing daily clips?   :smt102


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 28, 2010, 09:34:23 PM
http://www.peterrdevries.nl/nieuws/peter-verkoopt-reportage-met-beth-holloway-in-peru-aan-amerikaanse-zender-cbs/

Google translation:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/10282010_1.jpg)(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/10282010_2.jpg)(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/10282010_3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 28, 2010, 09:57:34 PM
From what I can tell "The Insider" is similar to or a spin off of Entertainment Tonight.  Not sure how well it will be shown or represented there.  Will be interesting to see.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 28, 2010, 10:35:24 PM
http://www.peterrdevries.nl/nieuws/het-gewetenloze-spel-van-joran-van-der-sloot/

Google translation:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/10282010_4.jpg)(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/10282010_5.jpg)(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/10282010_6.jpg)(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/10282010_7.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 28, 2010, 10:56:06 PM
http://www.peterrdevries.nl/nieuws/peter-vanavond-in-dwdd/

Google translation:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/10282010_9.jpg)

http://dewerelddraaitdoor.vara.nl/

Google translation:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/10282010_10.jpg)

http://dewerelddraaitdoor.vara.nl/Laatste-uitzending.619.0.html

Google translation:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/10282010_11.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 28, 2010, 11:00:22 PM
They have said a couple of times that the show will run almost at the same time in Nl and the US.

I am wondering if CBS is going to run a special on Sunday night.

Peter is going to run it as a two hour/two part documentary.

As usual I am ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 28, 2010, 11:11:23 PM
http://dewerelddraaitdoor.vara.nl/

I was able to get to the video of Peter on that show tonight.  Can't understand much of it of course, but I'm still enjoying watching it.   ::MonkeyWink::

I'm taking some screenshots. 

I couldn't make the embed link work, maybe Klaas can work her magic on it.   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 28, 2010, 11:12:31 PM
They have said a couple of times that the show will run almost at the same time in Nl and the US.

I am wondering if CBS is going to run a special on Sunday night.

Peter is going to run it as a two hour/two part documentary.

As usual I am ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

I am with you Magnolia....that's what made me check the listings earlier and post.  If there is a special then it would be following Football and 60 Minutes and preempt the normal broadcasts.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 28, 2010, 11:13:11 PM
They have said a couple of times that the show will run almost at the same time in Nl and the US.

I am wondering if CBS is going to run a special on Sunday night.

Peter is going to run it as a two hour/two part documentary.

As usual I am ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

I'm not sure how it's going to work either Magnolia.  I'm hoping one of our Dutch monkeys will give us updates on the show there!  I thought I saw Jo-An here today, maybe she'll fill us in.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 28, 2010, 11:21:41 PM
There was a clip of Beth, I'm just a few minutes into the video...

This is so sad...poor Beth!  ::MonkeyTears::

The link that comes up on the video doesn't take you directly to Peter's part, I don't know now how I got directly to that part!   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 28, 2010, 11:27:55 PM
They have said a couple of times that the show will run almost at the same time in Nl and the US.

I am wondering if CBS is going to run a special on Sunday night.

Peter is going to run it as a two hour/two part documentary.

As usual I am ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

I am with you Magnolia....that's what made me check the listings earlier and post.  If there is a special then it would be following Football and 60 Minutes and preempt the normal broadcasts.


The local CBS nightly news just talked about the Peter deVries special to air in Holland on Sunday night,
but said nothing about it's showing in the US


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 28, 2010, 11:33:47 PM
http://dewerelddraaitdoor.vara.nl/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/10282010_Beth_Joran.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 28, 2010, 11:45:45 PM
I'm trying to copy it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 29, 2010, 12:05:44 AM
I'm trying to upload a clip from the video to photobucket, if it works I'll post it.  Fingers crossed.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 29, 2010, 12:07:42 AM
I was able to copy it.  Trying to see if I can upload to photobucket now.  I may have to upload to youtube. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 29, 2010, 12:08:07 AM
TM  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 29, 2010, 12:09:44 AM
I'm trying to copy it.

Thanks Klaas!   ::MonkeyCool::

Mine may not work!  Photobucket doesn't see things my way sometimes, lol. 

I clipped the part with Beth and some at Castro Castro.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 29, 2010, 12:12:42 AM
They have said a couple of times that the show will run almost at the same time in Nl and the US.

I am wondering if CBS is going to run a special on Sunday night.

Peter is going to run it as a two hour/two part documentary.

As usual I am ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

I am with you Magnolia....that's what made me check the listings earlier and post.  If there is a special then it would be following Football and 60 Minutes and preempt the normal broadcasts.


The local CBS nightly news just talked about the Peter deVries special to air in Holland on Sunday night,
but said nothing about it's showing in the US

Thanks, Magnolia.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 29, 2010, 12:15:32 AM
Klaas, at the rate it's progressing, mine may take all night.  I'm only at 11% on a five minute clip.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

So if you get yours uploaded first, go ahead and post it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 29, 2010, 12:24:18 AM
I'm trying to copy it.

Thanks Klaas!   ::MonkeyCool::

Mine may not work!  Photobucket doesn't see things my way sometimes, lol. 

I clipped the part with Beth and some at Castro Castro.



The entire tape is too long for photobucket.  I'm uploading to youtube now, the entire thing.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 29, 2010, 12:25:32 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/CkFA68DfuK8?fs=1&amp;hl=en_US


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Agraria on October 29, 2010, 12:29:57 AM
I'm trying to copy it.

Thanks Klaas!   ::MonkeyCool::

Mine may not work!  Photobucket doesn't see things my way sometimes, lol. 

I clipped the part with Beth and some at Castro Castro.



The entire tape is too long for photobucket.  I'm uploading to youtube now, the entire thing.

Oohh...I am so excited...Thanks Klaas. I have not been able to be around much recently and did not even realize that we would get to see it!

TOO THRILLED !!!!!!!!

 ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 29, 2010, 12:38:02 AM
Thanks Klaas!   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 29, 2010, 12:38:31 AM
I'm trying to copy it.

Thanks Klaas!   ::MonkeyCool::

Mine may not work!  Photobucket doesn't see things my way sometimes, lol. 

I clipped the part with Beth and some at Castro Castro.



The entire tape is too long for photobucket.  I'm uploading to youtube now, the entire thing.

Oohh...I am so excited...Thanks Klaas. I have not been able to be around much recently and did not even realize that we would get to see it!

TOO THRILLED !!!!!!!!

 ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4::

This is just a short clip.  The actual show hasn't happened yet.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Agraria on October 29, 2010, 12:43:08 AM
I'm trying to copy it.

Thanks Klaas!   ::MonkeyCool::

Mine may not work!  Photobucket doesn't see things my way sometimes, lol. 

I clipped the part with Beth and some at Castro Castro.



The entire tape is too long for photobucket.  I'm uploading to youtube now, the entire thing.

Oohh...I am so excited...Thanks Klaas. I have not been able to be around much recently and did not even realize that we would get to see it!

TOO THRILLED !!!!!!!!

 ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4::

This is just a short clip.  The actual show hasn't happened yet.

I am very happy to see this much Klaas...Thanks!!

Tricia ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 29, 2010, 12:46:42 AM
He is a handsome man  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Agraria on October 29, 2010, 12:49:34 AM
He is a handsome man  ::MonkeyAngel::

Ditto


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 29, 2010, 01:04:58 AM
He is a handsome man  ::MonkeyAngel::

Yes he is, and even though I can't understand much of what he's saying; I enjoy watching and listening to him.   ::MonkeyCool:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 29, 2010, 02:18:21 AM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Beth_Natalee_June20102.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyandherfatherRicardoFlores.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,
and Stephany!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 29, 2010, 09:08:23 AM
I know the watermark makes it hard to go through but since our kind Monkey is paying for them I didn't want to give out stuff for "free" without saying where it came from.

This document pretty much spells out the entire case and all the same reasons why we feel the Kalpoes don't have a case.

Thank you kind Monkey!

 ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 29, 2010, 09:46:12 AM
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20437904,00.html

Beth Holloway Felt Compelled to Confront Joran van der Sloot

By Sara Hammel

Friday October 29, 2010 09:30 AM EDT

Beth Holloway, mother of missing American teen Natalee Holloway, says she felt compelled to break into a Peru prison to confront Joran van der Sloot, the man suspected in the case of her daughter's 2005 disappearance.

Holloway describes being in Peru to visit the family of van der Sloot's alleged murder victim Stephany Flores Ramirez, 21, when a Dutch news crew offered her a chance to confront the suspect for the first time.

"You know you can't plan on doing something. That [opportunity] presented itself … and it was something that I felt, 'How could I not do it?' " she tells The Insider in an interview to begin airing Friday. "You know, I've traveled all this way."

Holloway reportedly visited van der Sloot for only five minutes in his Castro Castro prison cell, where the 22-year-old is awaiting trial. Van der Sloot then canceled the meeting because his lawyer was not present. Holloway's goal, she said, was to find closure – in the form of the location of her daughter's remains, to which she believes van der Sloot holds the key.

"I really felt like for me to move on, what I wanted to [do was] recover her remains," she says. "Because I was so heavy into this communication with [van der Sloot] about, you know, that he knows where her remains are."

Holloway recounts the email exchange between her and van der Sloot in the course of an alleged extortion plot, saying that he began emailing her in March with messages indicating "that he was ready, or wanting, to sell me Natalee's remains for $250,000." She says the emails went back and forth for several weeks until she decided to visit Peru.

Natalee Holloway's 24th birthday would have been this week. She was last seen alive with the young Dutchman on the Caribbean resort island of Aruba. He has publicly said several times that he killed Holloway before retracting his confessions.

Beth Holloway still doesn't have answers, and says she is left with only an idea of what happened. "I think that we all know that it was not good, the outcome for Natalee," she says.

"But it's something that you know is so important in a missing person's case is a resolution, whether it's recovery of remains … of course, everyone would love the outcome that they recover a missing loved one alive, but it just doesn't always happen that way. We know that."


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Post by: Bearlyhere on October 29, 2010, 10:02:30 AM
TICK_TOCK_SATISH & DEEPAK

After they lose this case,they better watch their hands.Hands in pockets is never a good thing.Will it be a heart attack,scuba diving accident,suicide by driving off of cliff,drug overdose..Time will tell..Tick_Tock ::MonkeyShocked::


Sitting at a computer, driving a car.......

oops, you did say driving off a cliff.....
::MonkeyHaHa::
Dennis Jacobs will claim The 2PAK brothers were busy watching porn on one of the TV's they have in their car and drove off a cliff,with one hand in the pocket!No?Maybe? ::MonkeyShovel::

That would be believable, because a hand in the pocket while watching porn would be as close to the real thing they ever had, according to Joran anyway.  Driving off the cliff would just add to the feeling of really being there.

 ::MonkeyBike::





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Post by: MuffyBee on October 29, 2010, 10:06:11 AM
TICK_TOCK_SATISH & DEEPAK

After they lose this case,they better watch their hands.Hands in pockets is never a good thing.Will it be a heart attack,scuba diving accident,suicide by driving off of cliff,drug overdose..Time will tell..Tick_Tock ::MonkeyShocked::


Sitting at a computer, driving a car.......

oops, you did say driving off a cliff.....
::MonkeyHaHa::
Dennis Jacobs will claim The 2PAK brothers were busy watching porn on one of the TV's they have in their car and drove off a cliff,with one hand in the pocket!No?Maybe? ::MonkeyShovel::

That would be believable, because a hand in the pocket while watching porn would be as close to the real thing they ever had, according to Joran anyway.  Driving off the cliff would just add to the feeling of really being there.

 ::MonkeyBike::





 ::MonkeyDevil::

Good morning Bearly  ::teddybear::  I see you're in fine form this a.m.   ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 29, 2010, 10:13:49 AM
-and Good morning Monkeys!

T i c k  t o c k !   T i c k  t o c k !

Good morning can, monks and guests (http://bestsmileys.com/coffee/2.gif)

(http://bestsmileys.com/clocks/3.gif)  (http://bestsmileys.com/clocks/3.gif)

Picture one Kalpoe head on each pendulum.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 29, 2010, 10:35:17 AM
-and Good morning Monkeys!

T i c k  t o c k !   T i c k  t o c k !

Good morning can, monks and guests (http://bestsmileys.com/coffee/2.gif)

(http://bestsmileys.com/clocks/3.gif)  (http://bestsmileys.com/clocks/3.gif)

Picture one Kalpoe head on each pendulum.



(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/ClockDeepak.gif)(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/ClockSatish.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 29, 2010, 10:44:35 AM
(http://cm1.theinsider.com/thumbnail/400/400/cm1.theinsider.com/media/0/640/7/400_b_twitty_101028.jpg)

Just this past week would have been Natalee Holloway's 24th birthday. Now, Natalee's mother Beth Holloway tells "The Insider"'s Chris Jacobs about her emotional journey to the Peruvian prison where she confronted Joran van der Sloot, the man she believes holds secrets of her daughter's disappearance.


"What I really needed when I was coming into Peru… I really felt like for me to move on, what I wanted to [do was] recover her remains because I was so heavy into this communication with [Joran] about, you know, that he knows where her remains are," Beth tells Chris.

Beth says Joran began e-mailing her in March with messages indicating "that he was ready, or wanting, to sell me Natalee's remains for $250,000."

She says the e-mails between her and Joran went back and forth for several weeks until she decided to visit the family of Joran's alleged murder victim, Stephany Flores -- that's when, with the help of a Dutch news crew, she seized her opportunity.

"You know you can't plan on doing something," she says. "That [opportunity] presented itself… and it was something that I felt, 'How could I not do it?' You know, I've traveled all this way."

Joran is being held in Peru's Castro Castro prison on murder charges in the death of Flores. After years of agonizing over what happened to her Natalee, Beth was about to confront the man who might unlock the key to her whereabouts. Just before the confrontation, her thoughts turned to her missing daughter.

"Have you given up hope of ever finding her alive?" Chris asks Beth.

"I think that we all know that it was not good, the outcome for Natalee," Beth says. "But it's something that you know is so important in a missing person's case is a resolution, whether it's recovery of remains… of course, everyone would love the outcome that they recover a missing loved one alive, but it just doesn't always happen that way. We know that."

Watch "The Insider" on TV for more.
 
http://www.theinsider.com/news/3374420_Natalee_Holloway_s_Mother_on_Confronting_Joran_van_der_Sloot

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 29, 2010, 10:50:26 AM
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20437904,00.html

Beth Holloway Felt Compelled to Confront Joran van der Sloot

By Sara Hammel

Friday October 29, 2010 09:30 AM EDT

Beth Holloway, mother of missing American teen Natalee Holloway, says she felt compelled to break into a Peru prison to confront Joran van der Sloot, the man suspected in the case of her daughter's 2005 disappearance.

Holloway describes being in Peru to visit the family of van der Sloot's alleged murder victim Stephany Flores Ramirez, 21, when a Dutch news crew offered her a chance to confront the suspect for the first time.

"You know you can't plan on doing something. That [opportunity] presented itself … and it was something that I felt, 'How could I not do it?' " she tells The Insider in an interview to begin airing Friday. "You know, I've traveled all this way."

Holloway reportedly visited van der Sloot for only five minutes in his Castro Castro prison cell, where the 22-year-old is awaiting trial. Van der Sloot then canceled the meeting because his lawyer was not present. Holloway's goal, she said, was to find closure – in the form of the location of her daughter's remains, to which she believes van der Sloot holds the key.

"I really felt like for me to move on, what I wanted to [do was] recover her remains," she says. "Because I was so heavy into this communication with [van der Sloot] about, you know, that he knows where her remains are."

Holloway recounts the email exchange between her and van der Sloot in the course of an alleged extortion plot, saying that he began emailing her in March with messages indicating "that he was ready, or wanting, to sell me Natalee's remains for $250,000." She says the emails went back and forth for several weeks until she decided to visit Peru.

Natalee Holloway's 24th birthday would have been this week. She was last seen alive with the young Dutchman on the Caribbean resort island of Aruba. He has publicly said several times that he killed Holloway before retracting his confessions.

Beth Holloway still doesn't have answers, and says she is left with only an idea of what happened. "I think that we all know that it was not good, the outcome for Natalee," she says.

"But it's something that you know is so important in a missing person's case is a resolution, whether it's recovery of remains … of course, everyone would love the outcome that they recover a missing loved one alive, but it just doesn't always happen that way. We know that."

Same as The Insider, pretty much.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 29, 2010, 11:09:25 AM
I wonder if it will start airing tonight or next Friday.  It doesn't come on here until 1:35AM.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 29, 2010, 11:13:12 AM
I wonder if it will start airing tonight or next Friday.  It doesn't come on here until 1:35AM.

I haven't found any air times, as yet.  I was wondering, too.  M-F 7pm, here...and supposedly Sunday at 1:35am...but I've never watched it on Sunday. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 29, 2010, 11:32:19 AM
Another round of media attention for the EVIL MONSTER,and the Island of Danger!I don't use that term lightly,as we've seen that Aruba is far from a safe place to travel.. ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 29, 2010, 11:36:35 AM
I wonder if it will start airing tonight or next Friday.  It doesn't come on here until 1:35AM.

I haven't found any air times, as yet.  I was wondering, too.  M-F 7pm, here...and supposedly Sunday at 1:35am...but I've never watched it on Sunday. 

Found this earlier...doesn't give much info.

http://cbstvd.com/Shows.aspx?showid=12

AIRING THIS WEEK

MONDAY - KATY PERRY BACKSTORY
From gospel singer to pop superstar: The KATY PERRY backstory
KYLE MASSEY & LACEY SCHWIMMER “Dancing” rehearsal
TUESDAY - ROBERT DOWNEY JR. & JAMIE FOXX
“Due Date” interviews with ROBERT DOWNEY JR. & JAMIE FOXX
A look at “BRANDY’S” career
WEDNESDAY - MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE BACKSTORY
From the first “MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE” in 1996 to the third in 2006. A look back.
THURSDAY - PATRICK DEMPSEY
From the back roads of Maine to McDreamy: PATRICK DEMPSEY
FRIDAY - FAVORITE TOP 10’s
“Top 10” scariest movies of all time
“Top 10” fashion looks of the week


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 29, 2010, 06:37:42 PM
I checked my listings and I didn't find "The Insider" on a channel I can view.   ::MonkeyWaa::

http://www.theinsider.com/news/3374426_The_Insider_on_TV_Tonight

Click on the picture for preview of the show:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/th_TheInsideronTVTonightatTheInsider.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/?action=view&current=TheInsideronTVTonightatTheInsider.mp4)


Watch "The Insider" on TV tonight for the new interview with the adult film star found in Charlie Sheen's hotel room!

Then, Natalee Holloway's mother comes face-to-face with Joran van der Sloot!

Beth Twitty opens up for the very last time about her daughter's tragedy -- on "The Insider" on TV tonight!

Published 14 hours ago by The Insider


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 29, 2010, 07:04:47 PM
On CBS 42 Birmingham they said that an interview with Beth about her trip to Peru with Peter
will air at 1:00AM tonight.

It is not Peter's documentary that is airing, but just and interview with Beth talking about the
documentary.

I sure they will have it on their web site soon.

I will watch and see what is said at 1:00AM


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 29, 2010, 07:07:42 PM
On CBS 42 Birmingham they said that an interview with Beth about her trip to Peru with Peter
will air at 1:00AM tonight.

It is not Peter's documentary that is airing, but just an interview with Beth talking about the
documentary.

I'm sure they will have it on their web site soon.

I will watch and see what is said at 1:00AM

I should add that it is on The Insider program. ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 29, 2010, 07:10:59 PM
On CBS 42 Birmingham they said that an interview with Beth about her trip to Peru with Peter
will air at 1:00AM tonight.

It is not Peter's documentary that is airing, but just and interview with Beth talking about the
documentary.

I sure they will have it on their web site soon.

I will watch and see what is said at 1:00AM

Thanks Magnolia!   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 29, 2010, 07:12:54 PM
TM, why are you running around necked?? ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 29, 2010, 07:20:04 PM
TM, why are you running around necked?? ::MonkeyJnBox::

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek::

Is my avi not showing up?  I can see it!   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 29, 2010, 07:30:08 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_80249.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Beth confronts Joran

October 29, 2010, 14:30 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY / AMSTERDAM - Beth Holloway, the mother of the disappeared in 2005 in Aruba Natalee Holloway, will never give up. She also visited some time back Joran van der Sloot in the Castro Castro prison in Lima, Peru. These are recordings made on that next Sunday during a televised reporting of crime reporter Peter R. de Vries.

The report can be seen on the Dutch channel SBS 6 and the American CBS program on which De Vries are sold. The reporter says that Beth wanted to talk to Joran. The accused would be placed in an interview with the Telegraph reporter John van den Heuvel said, sorry for his actions. She wanted to hear from his own mouth and also see if this time he would tell the truth about the circumstances surrounding the disappearance of Natalee and its role. De Vries, a good contact with Beth said to have helped the mother to arrange an interview with Joran.

Besides the meeting between Beth and Joran in jail, also addressed the extortion story. Joran Holloway's family has tried to extort. Against payment of $ 250,000, he would tell the truth and the location of her remains revealed. After a deposit of $ 25,000 but he went away. He eventually came to Peru and was on 3 June this year was arrested on suspicion of murder Stephany Flores. Since then he is in custody in the Castro Castro prison pending his trial. Moreover, he remains the prime suspect in the disappearance of Natalee and suspend it in the U.S. trial for extortion and fraud overhead.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 29, 2010, 07:30:42 PM
TM, why are you running around necked?? ::MonkeyJnBox::

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek::

Is my avi not showing up?  I can see it!   ::MonkeyConfused::



Just a red X.   I thought it was because it was Friday!! ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 29, 2010, 07:33:54 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_80248.php

Google translation:

ARUBA
Radisson casino operator to Occidental
October 29, 2010, 14:29 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Casino operator TRG, the same operator until early December is the casino of the Radisson hotel manages the new operator of the casino of the Occidental Hotel. This confirmed Minister Otmar Oduber (AVP) of Tourism, Labor and Transportation this morning from Miami Daily Herald.

The casino of the Occidental Hotel is under renovation. TRG puts $ 3,600,000 in this renovation. The minister emphasized earlier this week that all employees of the Occidental Hotel reopened in December after their old job back given. TRG starts at the beginning of that month as an operator of casino Radisson. Then takes over the casino site. The Westin hotel took a similar decision this week after the court has enforced the contract with the operator of the Casablanca Casino is lifted. All employees remain employed there. "I was told by the two hotels that the intention is that they run the casinos until they find suitable acquisition candidates," said Minister Oduber.

TRG would have had disagreements with Radisson, then the contract on December 1 has been canceled. Partners within the group would now dispute and therefore was briefly yesterday seized on the Casino. On behalf of Minister Oduber, currently in Miami sits for talks including American Airlines, Carnival Cruises and the Office of Aruba Tourism Authority (ATA), took land agent Julio Quijada pulse height casino Radisson to find out the status of the workers were . The batter was already in the early evening again lifted. Radisson in December when the casino will take over 80 percent of them can retain their jobs.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 29, 2010, 07:35:25 PM
TM, why are you running around necked?? ::MonkeyJnBox::

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek::

Is my avi not showing up?  I can see it!   ::MonkeyConfused::



Just a red X.   I thought it was because it was Friday!! ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  I don't know why it's doing that!  I haven't changed anything.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 29, 2010, 07:53:36 PM
I just heard that a Beth interview will be on Entertainment Tonight on Monday....also a CBS show.


(TM, you are fully clothed now)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 29, 2010, 07:54:08 PM
2NJ or someone was having problems earlier today with some of the avi's too. Maybe it has to do with ISP's or something, I don't know.  I haven't had any  problems.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Kermit on October 29, 2010, 08:02:05 PM
August 23- 25 2010 - KALPOE DEPOSITIONS

September 16, 2010 - Beth in Peru with Peter deVries, visits Joran at Castro Castro prison.



(http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/1614/bethatcastrocastro09162.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 29, 2010, 08:07:44 PM
2NJ or someone was having problems earlier today with some of the avi's too. Maybe it has to do with ISP's or something, I don't know.  I haven't had any  problems.



It's those leprechauns that Kermit was talking about, I'll bet.  ::ElfMonkey::
Or maybe a Halloween witch. ::MonkeyWitch1::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 29, 2010, 08:12:58 PM
August 23- 25 2010 - KALPOE DEPOSITIONS

September 16, 2010 - Beth in Peru with Peter deVries, visits Joran at Castro Castro prison.



(http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/1614/bethatcastrocastro09162.jpg)


Just long enough for Peter to get the trip all put together.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 29, 2010, 08:14:59 PM
August 23- 25 2010 - KALPOE DEPOSITIONS

September 16, 2010 - Beth in Peru with Peter deVries, visits Joran at Castro Castro prison.



(http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/1614/bethatcastrocastro09162.jpg)


Kermit

This photo is a keeper!!

Do you know where the depositions took place?  I could be wrong but .... the recent Dr. Phil document makes me think that maybe the Kalpoes did not come to the States.  I will have to look again but ... there was something about videotaping.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 29, 2010, 08:19:00 PM
According to the documents we have seen, the Kalpoes were deposed at Long Beach, California
on August 23, 2010.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 29, 2010, 08:56:17 PM
According to the documents we have seen, the Kalpoes were deposed at Long Beach, California
on August 23, 2010.

Thanks

I must have missed the document pertaining to the location of the depositions.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 29, 2010, 10:27:28 PM
I just heard that a Beth interview will be on Entertainment Tonight on Monday....also a CBS show.


(TM, you are fully clothed now)

Thanks Magnolia, I know Entertainment Tonight is on my CBS affiliate!    ::MonkeySkate::

(Relief!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 29, 2010, 10:54:58 PM
ANOTHER FACE TO FACE

ORANJESTAD, Aruba, Aug. 9, 2005
Natalee's Mom: She Was Assaulted
Confronts Ex-Detainee; Insists He Tell What He Knows About Case


(CBS)  Beth Holloway Twitty went face-to-face Monday with a man who'd been detained briefly in the disappearance of daughter Natalee Holloway in Aruba, and challenged him to tell what he knows about the case.

In telling of the tense encounter, she asserted Natalee was sexually assaulted before she vanished.

Twitty says she was tipped by a member of the media that Deepak Kalpoe was working at a local Internet café, and wasted no time confronting him Monday.

Kalpoe, 21, and brother Satish Kalpoe, 18, were among the last three people spotted in public with Natalee before the Alabama teen disappeared in the early hours of May 30 on the final night of a high school graduation trip to the island.

The third person, Dutch teen Joran van der Sloot, is the only suspect still being held in connection with Natalee's disappearance. Both Kalpoe brothers were kept in custody for a short time early in the investigation.

Twitty has said the Kalpoes know more than they're telling investigators.

Twitty described her close-up with Deepak to CBS News:

"There were customers on the computer and he was seated behind the cash register, and I guess he thought he was going to have a normal day at work.

"I wanted to ask him, Joran had admitted sexual assaults that he had committed against Natalee, and I wanted to ask Deepak: Did he participate, or did he try to help her?

"He couldn't answer me. He could only look down at the ground."

"(I told him) you've got an opportunity. I'm Natalee's mother. I'm standing right here before you. You need to tell me.

"I saw his eyelids pretty much the whole time that I was there, and I would have to tell him to hold your head up and look at me when I'm speaking with you.

"He couldn't do that. He would either not respond or he would just tell me that his lawyer had advised him not to speak with me.

"I expected him, if he had no involvement, if he was not a participant in the sexual acts committed against my daughter, that yes, he could have come forward and said, 'No,' and looked me in the eye. He couldn't do that.

"I let him know, under no circumstances, that there is nothing that I'm going to refrain from asking, and I'm going to ask every question, and I'm going to stop at nothing, and I will continue to.

"And he said, 'The media hasn't seen this side of you.' And I said, I've been saving it for you, Deepak.

"I'm always going to hold out hope, no matter how bad it looks. You can't prepare yourself for that, and I don't have to."

Twitty also says she believes there was a level of ineptitude on the part of Aruban authorities, but she's more optimistic, now that a group of investigators from Holland has become involved.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/08/09/earlyshow/main766023.shtml?tag=contentMain;contentBody

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/08/09/earlyshow/main766023_page2.shtml?tag=contentMain;contentBody


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 30, 2010, 02:19:25 AM
I hope Magnolia didn't go to sleep waiting...tapping toe... ::MonkeyJnBox:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 30, 2010, 02:40:28 AM
I hope Magnolia didn't go to sleep waiting...tapping toe... ::MonkeyJnBox:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Here I am....it was short, but touching.

The Insider 1:00 AM Saturday morning

Beth Holloway  interview...

Just this past week was Natalee's 24th birthday , how did you handle that?

Beth said that she celebrated with some of Natalee's friends.

She traveled to Peru to try to recover Natalee's remains, because she is sure that Joran knows
where Natalee is.
Joran had  repeatedly emailed that he knew where Natalee was buried and was willing
to sell the remains to Beth for $250,000.
Beth felt that she needed to confront Joran and ask again where Natalee is.
Beth said that she will never be content until she knows where her daughter is,
and when the opportunity presented itself, she couldn't decline the invitation.

She will never give up until she has her child back on American soil.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 30, 2010, 02:45:11 AM
I hope Magnolia didn't go to sleep waiting...tapping toe... ::MonkeyJnBox:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Here I am....it was short, but touching.

The Insider 1:00 AM Saturday morning

Beth Holloway  interview...

Just this past week was Natalee's 24th birthday , how did you handle that?

Beth said that she celebrated with some of Natalee's friends.

She traveled to Peru to try to recover Natalee's remains, because she is sure that Joran knows
where Natalee is.
Joran had  repeatedly emailed that he knew where Natalee was buried and was willing
to sell the remains to Beth for $250,000.
Beth felt that she needed to confront Joran and ask again where Natalee is.
Beth said that she will never be content until she knows where her daughter is,
and when the opportunity presented itself, she couldn't decline the invitation.

She will never give up until she has her child back on American soil.



Thank you Magnolia!   ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyDance::

I wish I could have seen it too!   ::MonkeyWaa::

God bless Beth, I couldn't and wouldn't give up either!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 30, 2010, 03:17:03 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/06212010_PeopleMagazine_Beth2.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Buckeye on October 30, 2010, 09:23:31 AM
I hope Magnolia didn't go to sleep waiting...tapping toe... ::MonkeyJnBox:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Here I am....it was short, but touching.

The Insider 1:00 AM Saturday morning

Beth Holloway  interview...

Just this past week was Natalee's 24th birthday , how did you handle that?

Beth said that she celebrated with some of Natalee's friends.

She traveled to Peru to try to recover Natalee's remains, because she is sure that Joran knows
where Natalee is.
Joran had  repeatedly emailed that he knew where Natalee was buried and was willing
to sell the remains to Beth for $250,000.
Beth felt that she needed to confront Joran and ask again where Natalee is.
Beth said that she will never be content until she knows where her daughter is,
and when the opportunity presented itself, she couldn't decline the invitation.

She will never give up until she has her child back on American soil.




Thanks, Magnolia.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Leroy on October 30, 2010, 09:32:57 AM
I couldn't find a video of the interview online but did find this....

Natalee Holloway's Mom Talks About Confronting Suspect
Updated: 22 hours 38 minutes ago

AOL News (Oct. 29) -- The mother of missing American teenager Natalee Holloway says she was hoping to recover her daughter's remains when she traveled to Peru last month to confront Joran van der Sloot, CBS' "The Insider" reports.

"I really felt like for me to move on, what I wanted to [do was] recover her remains because I was so heavy into this communication with [Joran] about, you know, that he knows where her remains are," Natalee's mom, Beth Twitty, said in an exclusive interview with "The Insider's" Chris Jacobs scheduled to air tonight.

Van der Sloot, 22, is being held at Castro Castro Prison in Peru on charges that he murdered 21-year-old Stephany Flores in his Lima hotel room in May. The Dutchman is also the prime suspect in Holloway's disappearance. She vanished in 2005 during a high school graduation trip to the tropical island of Aruba, and her body has never been found.

Twitty traveled to Peru in mid-September and met with a Dutch documentary filmmaker who's investigating her daughter's disappearance. While there, the two sneaked into Castro Castro Prison and made their way to van der Sloot's prison cell. Twitty was able to briefly confront the Dutchman before prison officials realized what was going on and removed her from the premises.

"You know you can't plan on doing something," Twitty told "The Insider." "That [opportunity] presented itself ... and it was something that I felt, how could I not do it? You know, I've traveled all this way."

Twitty says she was prompted to travel to Peru by e-mails she had exchanged with van der Sloot in March, in which he allegedly indicated he would provide her with the location of Natalee's remains for $250,000.

In June, federal authorities in Alabama charged van der Sloot with extortion and wire fraud for the alleged overture. The complaint alleges that van der Sloot agreed to provide not only the location of Holloway's body but also information about the "circumstances of her death" upon receipt of the money.

The information that van der Sloot provided was false, federal authorities said.


Despite the extortion case, it could be some time before van der Sloot is brought to Alabama to face the charges. He remains behind bars in Peru on charges of first-degree murder and robbery in the Flores case and is waiting for a ruling on a motion filed by his lawyers that he is being held unlawfully.

If convicted of Flores' murder, van der Sloot could face 15 to 35 years in prison.

When asked by Jacobs if she has given up hope of finding her daughter alive, Twitty replied:

"I think that we all know that it was not good, the outcome for Natalee," Twitty said. "But it's something that you know is so important in a missing person's case is a resolution, whether it's recovery of remains ... of course, everyone would love the outcome that they recover a missing loved one alive, but it just doesn't always happen that way. We know that."

http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/natalee-holloways-mom-talks-about-confronting-suspect/19694925


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 30, 2010, 09:41:41 AM
Thanks Leroy  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Anna on October 30, 2010, 10:04:41 AM
Thanks Magnolia and everyone who has posted information.  It wasn't on in Huntsville yet so I will keep looking for it.

Beth looks wonderful!  I am so glad she had the courage to go all the way to Peru and confront Joran when his own mother wouldn't show up.  She is truly grace under fire.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Anna on October 30, 2010, 10:06:34 AM
BTW, I am usually in the rafters but don't sign in unless I am going to post, lol.  Lots of us are still here every day supporting Beth and for Justice for Natalee.  We will never give up!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 30, 2010, 10:30:03 AM
-and Good morning Monkeys!

T i c k  t o c k !   T i c k  t o c k !

Good morning can, monks and guests (http://bestsmileys.com/coffee/2.gif)

(http://bestsmileys.com/clocks/3.gif)  (http://bestsmileys.com/clocks/3.gif)

Picture one Kalpoe head on each pendulum.



(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/ClockDeepak.gif)(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/ClockSatish.gif)
::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 30, 2010, 10:40:34 AM
Not sure if the accused in this case has the same first name as has been mentioned, but it caught my eye.

http://www.24ora.com/corte-mainmenu-29/23590-hues-a-condena-atracadornan-di-kentucky-fried-chicken-santa-cruz.html

Papiamentu translation:

judge owing to condena atracadornan by kentucky fried chicken santa cruz

friday, 29 october 2010 21:26

the acusadonan j.j. curet, m.a. ridderstap y l.r. webb today diabierna owing to remain condena before they rol in the atraco cometi at kentucky fried chicken at sta. cruz. one mature cu did take luga the year here at end by march. thing the atracadornan owing to bay cu ne was 3800 guilder y cu aid by informacion attain by one trahado on the procedura before cu maneho by coin. ministerio publico owing to ask before ridderstap the same cantidad by day cu past owing to happen close come to anend, esta 86 day by gaol. contra curet owing to ask two year by gaol y contra webb also 2 year already cu past owing to employ informacion cu the had because employee before comete the atraco. corte owing to bay by acuerdo cu the castigonan..



http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8103.msg1158166#msg1158166
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5922.1480
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8546.msg1233315#msg1233315


(Lorenzo Webb)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 30, 2010, 12:41:30 PM
Klaas's recent youtube of Peter R. DeVries being interviewed is featured on this page!  And many others she's done about the case are easily accessible at the top of the page.

 ::MonkeyCool::


http://actualeurope.info/sport/video.CkFA68DfuK8.media

From the comments:

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I went to see Beth Holloway speak here in Fargo yesterday. She is the mother of Natalee Holloway who disappeared on a High School trip to Aruba. She was a very moving speaker. God Bless Her. She is doing this to honor Natalee and to help people with their personal and travel safety. It was a packed house. Over 600 women there.
Barbara Berentson 3 days ago

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got to hear Beth Holloway (Natalee Holloway's) mom speak today - wow! What a story and what a story of hope.
Kristine Freije Olson 4 days ago

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Megan and Marty Live HD News Talk (6:51a.m Oct. 25, 2010) Megan: I was watching Lifetime last night and I watched a movie called, "Natalee Holloway" and it was very sad. Marty: You watch Lifetime!?...I'm kidding I saw that movie before with my mom. Beth did not find her daughter....that's sad. Now to Megan in High Definition before we go!
FOX News on FB 5 days ago

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Went to the JBPW awards banquet last night. Guest Speaker was Beth Halloway and I went away with a very good feeling after listening to her tell Natalee's story and how she goes on each day is because of Natalee's HOPE. Sometimes we need stop take a look at our lives and see why God put us on this earth and that there is always a reason we have to go through some of the things we have to.
Sarah Paula McWhirter Long 9 days ago

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"He knows where her remains are," insists Natalee Holloway's mom
Brandy Boutelle 1 day ago


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 30, 2010, 12:44:36 PM
This is old news, but I didn't remember it being mentioned.  Sorry if it's a repeat!

http://www.mountaineagle.com/view/full_story/9776770/article-Holloway-to-speak-at-Jasper-BPW-banquet?instance=homethirdleft

Holloway to speak at Jasper BPW banquet

by Jennifer Cohron
24 days ago | 587 views |  | 2  |  |

Beth Holloway, mother of missing Mountain Brook teen Natalee Holloway, is the guest speaker for the Jasper Business and Professional Women's Organization awards banquet on Tuesday, Oct. 19.

Tickets are $40 for the event, which will be held at the CHS Building in downtown Jasper.

Club vice president Evelyn Jackson said she expects Holloway's message, "A Life of Hope," to appeal to children as well as parents and guardians.

"Beth Holloway's plight serves as a testament of dedication, hope and faith especially during bleak and harrowing times.

Her experiences in the aftermath of her daughter's disappearance have established a template that others can follow to prevent similar occurrences," Jackson said.

Natalee Holloway disappeared during a graduation trip to Aruba in 2005. Beth Holloway has written a book, "Loving Natalee," about her search for her daughter.

Jasper BPW, founded in 1928, is the oldest women's organization in Jasper.

It is currently the second largest BPW in Alabama.

In addition to being a social and professional network for local businesswomen, the club also provides scholarships to local female high school students who are pursuing higher education.

Jackson said Holloway's apperance at the banquet has created great excitement within the club.

"Every one of us can empathize with her quest and admire her for her unrelenting tenacity. Jasper BPW applauds her on demonstrating the difference one woman can make through faith and hope," Jackson said.


Read more: Daily Mountain Eagle - Holloway to speak at Jasper BPW banquet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 30, 2010, 02:09:35 PM
www.facebook.com

 ::MonkeyRoll::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/10182010_TinaCausyEscobedo_FBpost.jpg)


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8176.msg1178677#msg1178677

www.facebook.com

This pic is from July 2010 in the Hollywood Bar, Neely Cosentino is beside Anita, on the right.  Tina Escobedo is second to the left of Anita...and Marlene Nichols (Purcell) behind Tina.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/HollywoodBar_Aruba_July2010_Mashell.jpg)

Just a reminder to those "ladies of the evening", in case they missed it in THEIR LOCAL NEWSPAPER!   ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.diario.aw/2010/09/joran-por-fabor-basha-abao-pa-caba/

http://www.diario.aw/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/joran.jpg

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/joran_Diario09202010.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 30, 2010, 03:05:36 PM
Thanks TM  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 30, 2010, 03:40:40 PM
O/T Klaas you have nanners


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 30, 2010, 06:55:35 PM
English version:

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_80274.php

Beth confronts Joran

29 Okt, 2010, 12:16 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANJESTAD/HILVERSUM — Beth Holloway, the mother of Natalee Holloway who disappeared on Aruba in 2005, will never give up. That’s why she visited Joran van der Sloot in the Castro Castro prison in Lima, Peru a while ago. This visit was filmed and will be broadcasted on television this Sunday during a report of crime reporter Peter R. de Vries.

The reportage can be seen on the Dutch channel SBS6 and the American channel CBS to whom De Vries sold his program. The reporter says that Beth wanted to speak with Joran. In an interview with the Telegraaf reporter, John van den Heuvel the suspect had namely said he regretted his actions. She wanted to hear this from his own mouth and what’s more wanted to see whether he would tell the truth this time on the circumstances around the disappearance of Natalee and his role in that. De Vries, who says he has a good contact with Beth, had helped the mother in arranging the conversation with Joran.

Besides the meeting between Beth and Joran in the prison, the reportage also elaborates on the extortion story. Joran had tried to blackmail the Holloway family. He was going to tell the truth and reveal the location of her remains against payment of 250,000 dollars. However, after a down payment of 25,000 dollars he absconded. He eventually ended up in Peru and arrested there on June 3rd last on suspicion of murdering Stephany Flores. He’s been on remand in the Castro Castro prison since then in anticipation of his trial. Furthermore, he is still main suspect in the disappearance case of Natalee and has a process hanging over his head in the United States due to extortion and fraud.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 30, 2010, 06:59:22 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_80251.php

Google translation:

Collective weapons permit expires

October 29, 2010, 14:32 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - Owners of a firearm, which they have a collective license shall, as from 1 January 2011 in possession of a new personal license. All corporate permits expire on that date. The possession of an unlicensed firearm Justice is also considered a "serious crime".

This is the result of strengthened policies for firearms recently by Minister of Justice Arthur Dower (AVP) has been approved. "Anyone who possesses a firearm, must by January 1 for a personal license," said Attorney General Rob Pietersz. The new license is twofold and is used under the Arms Regulation and the Firearms Regulation issued as late as the Public Prosecutor (OM) know. This prosecutor wants to get a better grip on the people who get a firearms license. Currently, people have a personal firearm, which means a collective license of a registered gun club. The new policy, Justice this construction impossible.

The new licenses are stringent conditions. The personal license, both members and non-members of a shooting club, will be granted annually and must be requested before each October 1. The license shall be refused if the applicant is not a member of a shooting, a criminal record, an offense or no positive psychiatric evaluation can produce. Self-defense or self from home, business or family, is not a valid reason for applying for a firearms license. On the personal authorization conditions attached to the location and movement of the firearm. Thus, the holder has a gun safe in his home available, especially for the storage of firearms and ammunition. Firearms and ammunition may only act on the practice of shooting and on the route between this place and the gun safe at home. Persons who violate these conditions hold, risk losing their license.

The rifle will have to take more stringent requirements, thus the OM. These conditions include, for example, the management of the organization, the shoots turn register the weapons and the association rules. The shooting is therefore no power to individual members for possession of weapons. The permit for a rifle must be renewed every two years.

Illegal firearms
The tightening of firearm policy has long been a concern for justice. Originally, the plan to June 1 of this year's new licensing policies to take effect. Late last year the OM held a fundraiser of illegal firearms and ammunition. When the action got those firearms or ammunition in their possession without a valid permit, to voluntarily hand them over to the police station in Oranjestad. After this action is to go though stricter action against illegal possession of weapons. In principle, any person who caught this until their case comes to court, detained. Moreover, illegal possession of firearms soon an imprisonment of one year or longer yield, thus the OM based on case law in recent years.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 30, 2010, 08:55:35 PM
International Travel Tips

1. Communication


Before you leave the country, activate international calling on your cell phone. And be sure you know how to make an international phone call. The area code to the U.S. is 001, followed by the area code and number you are calling. Always carry your cell on your person, not in a purse or a briefcase ...

www.internationalsafetravelsfoundation.org
_________


The undermining of the integrity of Beth and Jug was an intregal part of the Aruban misinformation campaign WHICH was established early on to distance Joran from implication in the events that encompassing the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

+++++++ 

Disappearance
Missing White Female
by Bryan Burrough
January 2006


Gerold Dompig:

"We have taken two statements, from Julia Renfro and a Holiday Inn worker, that Beth told them she had gotten a call from her daughter, and that she was in love with a tall, blue-eyed Dutch teenager. So [Beth] had contact with her daughter. But she denies it. The question is why. If [the Twittys] don't level with us, how can they talk about a conspiracy? We need to know the truth. Joran did not have blue eyes. So who was this boy?" Beth denies making any such statements, or even having talked with Natalee while she was in Aruba.

http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2006/01/natalee200601?currentPage=6


'The Abrams Report' for April 19
updated 4/20/2006 10:28:41 AM ET


DAN ABRAMS, HOST:  Beth, any truth to this, I don't know if it's rumor or report, et cetera, that Natalee had said something to you about having a crush on a blonde haired, blue eyed boy in Aruba? 

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER::  Dan, there's just—there's no truth to that at all.  You know Natalee had not called me.  She didn't have international calling on her phone and no she never—her friends said that this never happened, it was never mentioned.  And just simply it's just another rumor that had started and it's just not true, Dan.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12405242/


Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 31
:  Clutching both portraits, Jug and I drive to the private hangar at the far side of the Birmingham airport.  On the way I contact Cingular Wireless and have international calling activated on my cell.  I ACTIVATE NATALEE'S TOO.  If she has hers with her, she can call me now.  If she had had international calling last night, she could have called someone for help.  Why didn't we do this before she left?  I feel such regret.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 30, 2010, 10:57:39 PM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/23620-turista-herida-den-camber-di-hotel.html

Papiamentu translation:

tourist injury in camber by hotel

saturday, 30 october 2010 19:07

personal by divi phoenix hotel owing to beat alarma before one tourist throw at floor in her camber all at blood y cu do not give sign by life. owing to resulta cu the tourist female by 77 year owing to slip cay in camber, injury her self very pisa, lose enough blood, but owing to mantene conocemento. at instant cu autoridadnan policial by strand politie owing to arrive in camber 1202 by divi phoenix hotel, at once they owing to ask before asistencia by ambulance. una times at the sitio, paramediconan owing to deal the pashent in camber self, pendiente before transporte before hospitaal before ricibi more tratamento medico. kico owing to sosode cu the lady here owing to cay y injury her self, do not conoci, although cu autoridadnan owing to constata cu the lady was below ; influencia by alcohol.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

They don't know why she fell and hurt herself, so she must have been drunk!  For all we know somebody was robbing her room when she went back in unexpectedly and they knocked her in the head!  Just sayin'!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 30, 2010, 11:07:25 PM
Another pedestrian hit by a drunk driver.

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/23621-chauffeur-burachi-a-alcansa-peaton-na-meiveld.html

chauffeur sober owing to alcansa peaton at meiveld

saturday, 30 october 2010 19:36

one man cu was crusando caminda fast 7-11 bar not owing to hang on to cuenta cu trafico on the caminda by meiveld. the car nissan sentra color blanco by number a-38405 maneha before one chauffeur sober owing to alcansa the peaton. the car was biniendo for by meiveld direccion rotonde by dakota hour cu he cu just be willing to owing to bay cruza caminda fast the bar owing to bay cay on hood by the car y strike in the windshield by the car. cu ambulance have to owing to transporte before hospitaal before ricibi tratamento medico. the was complain by quite dolor at several part by her curpa. polisnan at once owing to allow the chaffeur by the car nissan sentra blow before controla if the was below ; influencia by alcohol. ley is say cu one chauffeur can blow till cu one maximo by 400 on the apparatus before measure the cantidad by alcohol in thou breath. but the chauffeur encuestion owing to blow in the engine y past owing to mark 703! for her motibo here, police owing to detene the chauffeur at once y owing to transport'e before keep by police at north for her bay descansa her curpa. the will have to bird responsible at present for her desgracia cu past owing to cause, where one peaton owing to resulta injury. kizas if the not was below ; influencia the will can owing to reacciona at time before evita the impacto.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: SuzieQ on October 31, 2010, 01:26:06 AM
They must use a different breathalizer than we do. In VA anyone blowing anything over .08 is considered drunk.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 31, 2010, 01:32:18 AM
http://www.hartvannederland.nl/nederland/noord-holland/2010/peter-r.-filmt-joran-in-castro-castro/

Google translation:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/10292010_HartVanNederland_Peter_Beth.jpg)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBE858DcES4

http://www.youtube.com/v/xBE858DcES4?fs=1&amp;hl=en_US


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Sleuth on October 31, 2010, 03:48:20 AM
<snip>
It's those leprechauns that Kermit was talking about, I'll bet.  ::ElfMonkey::
Or maybe a Halloween witch. ::MonkeyWitch1::

Speaking of Halloween witches...
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a335/my_photos_/GlendaBonsai.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 31, 2010, 10:09:52 AM
oh geeeezeeeeeeeee  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 31, 2010, 10:47:25 AM
<snip>
It's those leprechauns that Kermit was talking about, I'll bet.  ::ElfMonkey::
Or maybe a Halloween witch. ::MonkeyWitch1::

Speaking of Halloween witches...
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a335/my_photos_/GlendaBonsai.jpg)
 

::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 31, 2010, 11:17:26 AM
Drug bust in Aruba - 3 guess who this official is who's identity they are hiding  ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2010.oktober.okt31.horta.IMG_0246.JPG)

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/23644-tres-cas-bishita-di-ladronnan-deteni.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 31, 2010, 11:21:34 AM
I find myself looking at every silver car in Aruba and checking the license plate.  One day I'll see it ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/23639-chofer-a-pega-sonjo-y-dal-den-palo-di-luz-na-moko.html

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1...images.stories.news.2010.oktober.okt31.accmoko.moko004.JPG)


Flash back to 2005

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/deepakscarew8.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 31, 2010, 12:05:46 PM
Drug bust in Aruba - 3 guess who this official is who's identity they are hiding  ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2010.oktober.okt31.horta.IMG_0246.JPG)

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/23644-tres-cas-bishita-di-ladronnan-deteni.html

IMO more people probably would have trouble identifying his face, than his body.

::MonkeyJnBox:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 31, 2010, 12:12:27 PM
http://www.sbs6.nl/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/10312010_SBS6.jpg)

9:30 p.m.   
Peter R. de Vries, crime reporter
Peter R. Ferris examines specific crimes on new facts and insights. Never unexplained murders and other crimes enigmatic reconstructed on site.



I think that's 3:30pm my time?

I hope one of our Dutch monkeys will come by and tell us about the show!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Buckeye on October 31, 2010, 12:12:41 PM
Drug bust in Aruba - 3 guess who this official is who's identity they are hiding  ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2010.oktober.okt31.horta.IMG_0246.JPG)

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/23644-tres-cas-bishita-di-ladronnan-deteni.html


That's an interesting cage.   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 31, 2010, 01:02:48 PM
Good catch Buckeye, I hadn't even noticed that.   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 31, 2010, 02:54:26 PM
De Vries met ‘het gewetenloze spel van Joran van der Sloot’...

Het nieuwe seizoen van Peter R. de Vries Misdaadverslaggever wordt niet stilletjes geopend Opnieuw heeft de journalist een spraakmakende(tweedelige) aflevering gemaak over de verdwijning van Natalee Holloway, het vermeende aandeel van Joran van der Sloot hierin en het verhaal van moeder Beth Holloway, die ook nog eens het slachtoffer is geworden van afpersing. Met name die laatste actie staat centraal in dit tweeluik, dat al is verkocht aan de Amerikaanse zender CBS. Peter R. de Vries jaagt de aflevering aan als ‘het gewetenloze spel van.

De misdaadverslaggever op zijn website: “Vanavond vertelt Beth Holloway in ons programma voor het eerst hoe de keiharde afpersing door Joran van der Sloot in zijn werk is gegaan, waarbij hij haar 250.000 dollar afhandig probeerde te maken. In ruil daarvoor beloofde hij de plek aan te wijzen waar hij Natalee zou hebben begraven. Beth verstrekte ons programma alle e- mails die Joran aan haar schreef. Deze geven een schokkend beeld van de nietsontziende, berekenende wijze waarop hij met de gevoelens van Natalee’s radeloze moeder speelde. Peter zocht Beth op in haar woonplaats Birmingham in de Amerikaanse staat Alabama.

Hij vervolgt: “In het tweede deel, dat zondag 7 november wordt uitgezonden is te zien hoe Peter en Beth in het Zuid-Amerikaanse Peru een emotionele ontmoeting hebben met de broer van de vermoorde Stephany Flores. En na vijf jaar van ellende en onzekerheid, heeft Beth in de Castro Castro gevangenis in Lima voor het oog van onze camera’s ook een confrontatie met de man die haar leven heeft verwoest zal ontmoeten? En hoe reageert Joran op deze onverwachte confrontatie?”

Peter R. de Vries Misdaadverslaggever, 21.30 uur, SBS 6.

http://zappen.blog.nl/sbs-broadcasting/2010/10/31/de-vries-met-het-gewetenloze-spel-van-joran-van-der-sloot

Google Translation

De Vries' the ruthless game of Joran van der Sloot"

The new season of Peter R Ferris Crime Reporter is not silently opened. Once again, a journalist known (part two) episode about the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, the alleged share of Joran van der Sloot and the story of this mother, Beth Holloway, who also once the victim of extortion. story of this mother, Beth Holloway, who also once the victim of extortion. Particularly the latter action is central to this diptych which has been sold to U.S. network CBS. Peter R. Ferris chases the episode as "the ruthless game of Joran van der Sloot.

The crime reporter at his website : "Tonight tells Beth on our program for the first time how hard extortion by Joran van der Sloot in his work is gone, and he's trying to extort $ 250,000. In return he promised to designate the place where he would have buried Natalee. Beth provided our program all e-mails way he has the feelings of Natalee's distraught mother played. Peter Beth looked at her home in Birmingham in the U.S. state of Alabama. "

He continues: "In the second part, which is broadcast Sunday, November 7 we see how Peter and Beth in the South American Peru an emotional meeting with the brother of the murdered Stephany Flores. And after five years of misery and uncertainty, Beth in the Castro Castro prison in Lima in front of our cameras is also a confrontation with Joran. Beth was her nerves to keep them after five years now the man who ruined her life will meet? And how does this unexpected confrontation Joran? "

Peter R. Ferris Crime Reporter, 21.30 hours, SBS 6


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Jo-An on October 31, 2010, 03:56:15 PM
Hey everyone!
The Peter R de Vries show starts in about 35 mins.
There were reports that CBS would broadcast it more or less simultaneously.
Is this true? I've been browsing through the last few pages here, but couldn't really see any solid confirmation.
Otherwise I'll try and write some sort of summary here.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 31, 2010, 04:01:25 PM
Hey everyone!
The Peter R de Vries show starts in about 35 mins.
There were reports that CBS would broadcast it more or less simultaneously.
Is this true? I've been browsing through the last few pages here, but couldn't really see any solid confirmation.
Otherwise I'll try and write some sort of summary here.


Hi, Jo-An,
We haven't been able to find any information about a CBS broadcast. We have only seen an interview
with Beth.
We would appreciate any summary that you can pass along.  Thanks


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 31, 2010, 05:12:00 PM
Hey everyone!
The Peter R de Vries show starts in about 35 mins.
There were reports that CBS would broadcast it more or less simultaneously.
Is this true? I've been browsing through the last few pages here, but couldn't really see any solid confirmation.
Otherwise I'll try and write some sort of summary here.

I would really appreciate your summary Jo-An!  Thanks for checking in!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Buckeye on October 31, 2010, 05:41:19 PM
Joran van der Sloot would have taken the initiative to ask for money to the mother of Natalee Holloway in exchange for the location of Natalee's body.
© AFP

This is in contrast to what Joran claimed in an interview with the Guardian where he says that just offered him money.

This shows that e-mails of Joran's mother Nathalie Holloway Sunday showed crime in the program by Peter R. de Vries.

The relevant Telegraph interview with John Joran van den Heuvel says that "her parents offered to pay for the location of the girl." In the episode of Peter R. Ferris is clear that Van der Sloot was the first mail.

'Just imagine'

On March 28, 2010 he asked by U.S. investigative reporter Greta Van Susteren 'something' to ask the lawyer for Beth Holloway, the mother of Natalie. He then let the lawyer know that he want in exchange for $ 250,000 where Natalie is buried.

"This is a painful situation for everyone, so I tell the truth," said Van der Sloot in his e-mail. His requirement is that everything must remain secret. He wants to see all this down in a contract.

http://www.nu.nl/binnenland/2368379/van-sloot-nam-initiatief-afpersing.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Jo-An on October 31, 2010, 05:48:22 PM
So, here's the summary:

Peter R de Vries – Sunday, October 31st 2010.
Elaborate introduction, concentrating on Joran’s gambling addictio, hunger for money and pathological lying.
After his dad died, he more or less faked he was mourning his father’s dad and his mother was trying to get him admitted to a mental institution. But Joran had actually already started blackmailing Beth.

Peter arriving at Beth’s house.
Joran said in the John van den Heuvel interview that Beth was the one who contacted him first, but emails clearly show that Joran was the one who initiated the blackmailing.

Joran tried blackmailing Beth for $250,000.
It started mid to late March. Joran was looking for money. He wanted to lead Beth to Natalee’s remains. He said he wanted to get this “monkey off his back”.
Joran sent the first email under the alias JP Sanders to Greta van Susteren, asking for Beth’s lawyer’s email address.
John Kelly then sent an email back to Joran.
March 30th Joran sends John Kelly an email that he wants to do some good, he will lead them to Natalee’s remains. He asked for $250K.
Beth says: “If this is the way I can get her remains, then I’m in.”
Everyone’s flabbergasted but John Kelly sends an emai back that his client is interested and asking what kind of info he has.
Joran sends back: I never hurt anyone in my life. I can show you the spot where she was and maybe still is. Joran says some friends buried Natalee the night she died because he had to go home to sleep. He also writes that she might have been replaced.
He says he went to the location a week earlier to pay respects and from what he felt she was still there.
John Kelly answers that he doesn’t believe him and he has to do a lot better than that.
Joran swears he is not lying.
Joran emails a whole list of conditions. He also writes why he wants to come clean, because things have changed in his life.
Kelly is very hesitant, feels like he his being played.
Joran says: I’m ready to start my life over, I’ve hurt enough people. I would never blackmail Natalee’s parents.
Next decision was for John Kelly to go to Aruba.
Kelly and Joran decided to meet at the Marriott Hotel.
Joran didn’t show up.
Kelly went back to the US.
Joran later said in an email he listened to his instincts and he didn’t trust Kelly.
Beth never thought until that point that it was blackmail or extortion.
Beth called the governor of Alabama that she thought what had happened was a federal crime.
After that there was a meeting with the FBI. The FBI starts an investigation.

Joran writes another email on April 30th to set up another meeting.
Kelly took $10K cash with him to Aruba. Beth would wire $15K to Joran’s account.
The FBI came to Aruba too.
This time Joran did show up at the Marriott.
They went up to a room where Joran took the money, the FBI was recording everything.
Beth then wires the money.
After Joran gets confirmation from the bank that the money is being wired, Kelly and Joran go the site where Natalee is supposedly buried.
They get to the site, Joran says Paulus was the one who buried Natalee.
He says that Paul at first hid the body at the beach and replaced her a few days later.
There has been construction work at the site, Joran is leading Kelly through the area.
Jorans shows Kelly the spot where Natalee’s remains are supposed to be.
Joran uses the time that is needed to determine whether anything is actually there to flee Aruba.
Joran sends an email to John Kelly saying Kelly and Beth are nice people but shouldn’t be so stupid.
Joran meanwhile is in Peru spending the $25K.
Joran sends another email, that he wants Beth to buy him a plane ticket to Aruba, he wanted to turn himself in.
Beth thinks Joran is in the Netherlands.
She then finds out that Joran is wanted for murder in Peru.
She is afraid the story will repeat itself and Joran will be a free man again, like he became after being released from prison in 2005.
That is why she wanted to contact the Flores family.
So Peter and Beth go to Peru.

Next week: part 2.
Beth meets the Flores family, and Joran.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 31, 2010, 06:00:25 PM
So, here's the summary:

Peter R de Vries – Sunday, October 31st 2010.
Elaborate introduction, concentrating on Joran’s gambling addictio, hunger for money and pathological lying.
After his dad died, he more or less faked he was mourning his father’s dad and his mother was trying to get him admitted to a mental institution. But Joran had actually already started blackmailing Beth.

Peter arriving at Beth’s house.
Joran said in the John van den Heuvel interview that Beth was the one who contacted him first, but emails clearly show that Joran was the one who initiated the blackmailing.

Joran tried blackmailing Beth for $250,000.
It started mid to late March. Joran was looking for money. He wanted to lead Beth to Natalee’s remains. He said he wanted to get this “monkey off his back”.
Joran sent the first email under the alias JP Sanders to Greta van Susteren, asking for Beth’s lawyer’s email address.
John Kelly then sent an email back to Joran.
March 30th Joran sends John Kelly an email that he wants to do some good, he will lead them to Natalee’s remains. He asked for $250K.
Beth says: “If this is the way I can get her remains, then I’m in.”
Everyone’s flabbergasted but John Kelly sends an emai back that his client is interested and asking what kind of info he has.
Joran sends back: I never hurt anyone in my life. I can show you the spot where she was and maybe still is. Joran says some friends buried Natalee the night she died because he had to go home to sleep. He also writes that she might have been replaced.
He says he went to the location a week earlier to pay respects and from what he felt she was still there.
John Kelly answers that he doesn’t believe him and he has to do a lot better than that.
Joran swears he is not lying.
Joran emails a whole list of conditions. He also writes why he wants to come clean, because things have changed in his life.
Kelly is very hesitant, feels like he his being played.
Joran says: I’m ready to start my life over, I’ve hurt enough people. I would never blackmail Natalee’s parents.
Next decision was for John Kelly to go to Aruba.
Kelly and Joran decided to meet at the Marriott Hotel.
Joran didn’t show up.
Kelly went back to the US.
Joran later said in an email he listened to his instincts and he didn’t trust Kelly.
Beth never thought until that point that it was blackmail or extortion.
Beth called the governor of Alabama that she thought what had happened was a federal crime.
After that there was a meeting with the FBI. The FBI starts an investigation.

Joran writes another email on April 30th to set up another meeting.
Kelly took $10K cash with him to Aruba. Beth would wire $15K to Joran’s account.
The FBI came to Aruba too.
This time Joran did show up at the Marriott.
They went up to a room where Joran took the money, the FBI was recording everything.
Beth then wires the money.
After Joran gets confirmation from the bank that the money is being wired, Kelly and Joran go the site where Natalee is supposedly buried.
They get to the site, Joran says Paulus was the one who buried Natalee.
He says that Paul at first hid the body at the beach and replaced her a few days later.
There has been construction work at the site, Joran is leading Kelly through the area.
Jorans shows Kelly the spot where Natalee’s remains are supposed to be.
Joran uses the time that is needed to determine whether anything is actually there to flee Aruba.
Joran sends an email to John Kelly saying Kelly and Beth are nice people but shouldn’t be so stupid.
Joran meanwhile is in Peru spending the $25K.
Joran sends another email, that he wants Beth to buy him a plane ticket to Aruba, he wanted to turn himself in.
Beth thinks Joran is in the Netherlands.
She then finds out that Joran is wanted for murder in Peru.
She is afraid the story will repeat itself and Joran will be a free man again, like he became after being released from prison in 2005.
That is why she wanted to contact the Flores family.
So Peter and Beth go to Peru.

Next week: part 2.
Beth meets the Flores family, and Joran.


Thank you, Jo-An.....next week, part 2 makes me wonder if CBS has any plan to show it in parts or in entirety.  The Insider show mentioned usually only has short segments.  


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 31, 2010, 06:01:47 PM
Thanks Jo-An

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 31, 2010, 06:02:25 PM
Thanks Jo-An!    ::MonkeyDance::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Jo-An on October 31, 2010, 06:03:29 PM
You're welcome!  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 31, 2010, 06:20:35 PM
Jo-An,

If I remember correctly John Q. Kelly talked about meeting with Joran (without the money) in Aruba and Joran getting very angry about that.

They didn't say anything about that meeting in the show?  I'm thinking the one you mentioned where Joran didn't show up must have been before this one?

I found the article about it.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/37635627

snipped:

So Kelly went to Aruba in April to meet with van der Sloot without telling anyone but his own wife and Twitty. He met van der Sloot for about two hours in a hotel.

“No money, no recording devices. Nobody knew I was there,” Kelly said Friday. “It was Easter Sunday. It was one-on-one in a hotel room for a couple hours. He thought I was bringing the $25,000. I engaged him in a long series of conversations. I was trying to get as much information as I could.”

Van der Sloot wanted money, and when Kelly said he didn’t have it with him, the man got “very angry, very agitated, very upset.”

Kelly said it was nerve-racking.

“He’s a big guy. He’s 6’4”, 225 [pounds], well built. He’s sort of a threatening individual when he gets angry, no question.”

When Kelly returned to the States, he contacted the FBI and began to set up the elaborate sting with the FBI and Aruban law-enforcement authorities.

He regained van der Sloot’s attention by sending him $100. Then, with a promise that he would bring $25,000, another meeting was set up for May 10 in Aruba.

snipped


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 31, 2010, 06:41:39 PM
Jo-An,

If I remember correctly John Q. Kelly talked about meeting with Joran (without the money) in Aruba and Joran getting very angry about that.

They didn't say anything about that meeting in the show?  I'm thinking the one you mentioned where Joran didn't show up must have been before this one?

I found the article about it.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/37635627

snipped:

So Kelly went to Aruba in April to meet with van der Sloot without telling anyone but his own wife and Twitty. He met van der Sloot for about two hours in a hotel.

“No money, no recording devices. Nobody knew I was there,” Kelly said Friday. “It was Easter Sunday. It was one-on-one in a hotel room for a couple hours. He thought I was bringing the $25,000. I engaged him in a long series of conversations. I was trying to get as much information as I could.”

Van der Sloot wanted money, and when Kelly said he didn’t have it with him, the man got “very angry, very agitated, very upset.”

Kelly said it was nerve-racking.

“He’s a big guy. He’s 6’4”, 225 [pounds], well built. He’s sort of a threatening individual when he gets angry, no question.”

When Kelly returned to the States, he contacted the FBI and began to set up the elaborate sting with the FBI and Aruban law-enforcement authorities.

He regained van der Sloot’s attention by sending him $100. Then, with a promise that he would bring $25,000, another meeting was set up for May 10 in Aruba.

snipped

It's late for Jo-An, no doubt....good question, TM.  I would guess it could depend on who they got their info from for this program and who edited.   It could also be an omission in the timeline if JQK went there three times??????         :smt102


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 31, 2010, 07:23:13 PM
The Extortion - According to John Q. Kelly

Deadly Connection?
Police say Joran van der Sloot - after confessing to killing a young woman in Peru - is finally admitting that he killed Natalee Holloway

By Chris Hansen
Correspondent

NBC News
updated 6/11/2010 9:03:58 PM ET

TRANSCRIPT



LIMA, PERU — Could it be the beginning of the end of the Natalee Holloway mystery?  Was there a confession?

JOHN KELLY: This was the first time he admitted being personally responsible for physically causing her death.


Or was it all a lie?  Like so many other stories from the chief suspect in the Holloway case.
 
Tonight, for the first time, details of an alleged extortion plot, targeting Natalee Holloway’s mother.

A first-hand account, from the  man who acted as a go-between.

JOHN KELLY: It's probably the most horrific unanticipated nightmarish ending for Beth that you could ever imagine.


With his money troubles mounting, his father dead, and his life spiraling downward, this spring Joran van der Sloot allegedly made a bold attempt to cash in on the Natalee Holloway disappearance.

JOHN KELLY: I got the first e-mail from van der Sloot on March 30.
Attorney John Q. Kelly represents the Holloway family in a wrongful death lawsuit filed against van der Sloot. He spoke exclusively to NBC News about the alleged extortion plot that, he says, began with that email from van der Sloot.
 
CHRIS HANSEN: What went through your mind?  What did you think he wanted?

JOHN KELLY: I had no idea.  I was more than amenable to talking to him, or hearing what he had to say just because, you know, I still-- committed to finding what happened to Natalee. So, any chance I had to open a door, I was willing to do it.
Kelly says van der Sloot quickly raised the stakes.

CHRIS HANSEN: Give me a sense for the e-mail communications that ensued.

JOHN KELLY: It was about money. It was, you know, "I want to come clean.  My father's dead now.  I have nothing to hide.  I want to help Natalee’s family, but at a price, you know, for a quarter million dollars—“

CHRIS HANSEN: A quarter million dollars?

JOHN KELLY: “Quarter million dollars, I will tell you what happened to Natalee, where she is now so you can help Beth bring her home."


After all the heartbreak and grief, after all the stories he had told, could van der Sloot be believed? Kelly says he immediately went to Beth Holloway with the offer.

CHRIS HANSEN: How hopeful was Beth that this might develop into some sort of closure?

JOHN KELLY: She's always been hopeful. I mean, she can't be anything but hopeful as a mother.

 
According to Kelly, with Beth Holloway’s blessing, he travelled to Aruba to meet with van der Sloot, who was expecting to receive a down payment of $25,000. 
For Kelly, it was a test run.  He didn't have the money.  It was Easter Sunday.  He says they met at the Marriott hotel.

CHRIS HANSEN: And what did he tell you during that meeting?

JOHN KELLY: He alluded to knowing where Natalee’s body was, and how she had died. And I asked him, "Well, what if I don't pay you the $25,000?"  And he just said, "Beth can wait another five years."

CHRIS HANSEN: Another five years?

JOHN KELLY: Yeah.  He was well aware that the five year anniversary coming up was sort of, it was almost like a clock ticking with him.

CHRIS HANSEN: Describe his demeanor during this initial interview.
 
JOHN KELLY: He was agitated, nervous and desperate at that time.
After returning to the U.S., Kelly and Beth went to the FBI and the Feds agreed to work with them on a sting operation.


Kelly would set up another meeting with van der Sloot in Aruba and this time bring $10,000 cash from Beth.  She would wire an additional $15,000 to van der Sloot’s Netherlands bank account. If van der Sloot took the bait, they might be able to charge him with a crime.

JOHN KELLY: If he took the money, and he took a wire transfer, and it was false information, which you know he has done in the past…

CHRIS HANSEN: Wire fraud.

JOHN KELLY: It's wire fraud. And extortion. And if for some reason, his information was true, the Aruban authorities pick him up on the murder charge.


According to Kelly, the FBI sent an advance team to Aruba to coordinate with Aruban authorities and set up for the sting, outfitting a hotel room and rental car with hidden cameras and microphones

CHRIS HANSEN: How did you think this was going to play out?

JOHN KELLY: I wasn’t sure. I was just holding my breath, the whole way. Every step of the way.


After a mostly sleepless night, Kelly arrived in Aruba on May 10.

With FBI agents monitoring, Kelly returned to the Marriott hotel, where he says van der Sloot met him.

CHRIS HANSEN: When van der Sloot walks into room 443--

JOHN KELLY: Yeah.

CHRIS HANSEN: --what does he say first?

JOHN KELLY: "How you doing?"  He's covered with sweat.  He apparently walked from his house to get there.  And, you know, I just told him to have a seat.  Gave him a Diet Coke.  We actually split a Three Musketeers. The one thing I did at the very beginning was show him the $10,000 cash.

CHRIS HANSEN: So, he knew he was getting $10,000 from you in cash?

JOHN KELLY: He was like, "Give me the money now."  And I was, "No, you're not getting the money now."

CHRIS HANSEN: And what did he have to do to convince you to hand over the $10,000?

JOHN KELLY: To take the wire transfer and sign the documents I had there, too.
Strangely enough, Kelly says van der Sloot had insisted Kelly draw up a document for both Beth and van der Sloot to sign.

CHRIS HANSEN: And what did those documents say?

JOHN KELLY: That he would take me exactly to where Natalee’s body was, and tell me how she died. And once I had confirmed that, he'd get the other $225,000. 


With the documents signed, Kelly says he handed over the cash and confirmed the wire transfer.

Then, Kelly says, they got into the rental car that had been wired by the FBI, and drove to the site where van der Sloot claimed Natalee’s body had been buried.

CHRIS HANSEN: And precisely where did he say Natalee's remains were?

JOHN KELLY: He pointed to a specific room on a house right by the Aruba Racquet Club. The foundation hadn't gone in yet.

CHRIS HANSEN: So, the story was that there was a house being constructed, the foundation was about to be built or poured, and they put Natalee’s remains in there, and the house was built around it?

JOHN KELLY: Correct. And I took pictures of him with a throwaway camera.

CHRIS HANSEN: You actually took pictures of Joran van der Sloot pointing to the location where he says Natalee’s body was?

JOHN KELLY: Yeah.

 
Then, Kelly says , they got back in the car and that's when van der Sloot told him how Natalee died.

JOHN KELLY: He actually admitted,  this was the first time he admitted being personally responsible for physically causing her death.

According to Kelly, van der Sloot claimed that he and Natalee were at the beach and when he wanted to leave, Natalee tried to stop him.
 
JOHN KELLY: He got angry and actually threw her. He actually made the gesture in the car, on video, showing me how he threw her in anger, because she wouldn't leave at that point.  And according to him, she hit the back of her head, lots of blood and she was dead.

CHRIS HANSEN: Did you think at the time he was telling the truth?

JOHN KELLY: Ah, no.


But Kelly says he played along and van der Sloot told him he hid the body on the beach with the help of his father who, the following day, buried the body.

CHRIS HANSEN: He implicated his own father in the disposal of the body?

JOHN KELLY: Along with himself, yeah.

CHRIS HANSEN: Why wasn't he arrested on the spot?

JOHN KELLY: That I don't know.  I mean, I went down there, I did what I was supposed to do. When I got on the plane May 11, I thought it was a done deal.  And he was going to be arrested at some point.  That he'd be talking at some point, and we'd get some closure at some point.


Aruban authorities would eventually determine van de Sloot's story about the body being buried at that site could not be true because the house he pointed out was not under construction at the time Natalee disappeared.
 
In the meantime, Kelly had no way of knowing that Joran van der Sloot would leave Aruba, find his way to Peru and a fateful encounter with Stephany Flores.

In Aruba, on May 10, attorney John Q. Kelly says he gave Joren van der Sloot $25,000 of Beth Holloway’s money.
 
Working with the FBI and Aruban authorities, Kelly and Holloway hoped that van der Sloot would be arrested-- if not for allegedly implicating himself in Natalee’s death then for extortion or wire fraud.

But van der Sloot was not picked up. After Kelly left Aruba, he says van der Sloot continued to email him

JOHN KELLY: He was telling me how he was personally going to turn himself into the police, and that he needed more time.  And I was pretending like I believed all this, just to keep a line of communication open.  I had been in personal contact with Joran up to May 25.


Kelly assumed van der Sloot was still in Aruba-- but he wasn't.

CHRIS HANSEN: Just days after you give him $25,000, he goes to Peru.

JOHN KELLY: Correct.


Then, on May 30, exactly five years to the day after Natalee Holloway’s disappearance, it happened.

Van der Sloot allegedly killed 21-year-old Stephany Flores at this hotel after a night out at a casino in Lima, Peru.
 
JOHN KELLY:  I was dumbfounded.
 
CHRIS HANSEN: Did you have to break the news to Natalee’s mother about the death of this woman in Lima, Peru?

JOHN KELLY: Yes.

CHRIS HANSEN: What did she say?

JOHN KELLY: She just stopped.  Just “how could this happen?”


According to Kelly, for Beth Holloway, the thought that her money may have facilitated van der Sloot’s travel plans was almost too much to bear.

JOHN KELLY: It's probably the most horrific, unanticipated nightmarish ending for Beth that you could ever imagine.  That her money may have financed his trip to Peru.

CHRIS HANSEN: Has Beth reached out to the family of Stephany Flores ?

JOHN KELLY: Not directly.  She's extended her deepest sympathy.  She's just really upset. Everything was just like an instant replay of what had happened five years ago.

CHRIS HANSEN: Déjà vu?

JOHN KELLY: Déjà vu.


Kelly says he does not blame U.S. law enforcement for letting van der Sloot leave Aruba but wonders why the Arubans didn't arrest him as soon as they could.

JOHN KELLY: I think at the minimum, the Aruban authorities could've picked him up, and they had the ability to hold him there at that time.  It was their country, it was their island, it was their citizen. They controlled the port, and apparently, they knew he was leaving when he was leaving.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37650865/ns/dateline_nbc-crime_reports/page/5/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 31, 2010, 07:23:29 PM
From Jo-An's transcript:

Joran tried blackmailing Beth for $250,000.
It started mid to late March. Joran was looking for money. He wanted to lead Beth to Natalee’s remains. He said he wanted to get this “monkey off his back”  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 31, 2010, 07:59:21 PM
From Jo-An's transcript:

Joran tried blackmailing Beth for $250,000.
It started mid to late March. Joran was looking for money. He wanted to lead Beth to Natalee’s remains. He said he wanted to get this “monkey off his back”  ::MonkeyCool::

I noticed that too!    ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 31, 2010, 08:37:25 PM
http://www.peterrdevries.nl/programma-gemist/

The show is on Peter's website now!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 31, 2010, 09:26:47 PM
http://www.peterrdevries.nl/programma-gemist/

The show is on Peter's website now!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::

I can't understand what he's saying but I'll try and capture it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 31, 2010, 09:30:07 PM
From Jo-An's transcript:

Joran tried blackmailing Beth for $250,000.
It started mid to late March. Joran was looking for money. He wanted to lead Beth to Natalee’s remains. He said he wanted to get this “monkey off his back”  ::MonkeyCool::

I noticed that too!    ::MonkeyCool::

Me, three!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 31, 2010, 09:30:51 PM
http://www.peterrdevries.nl/programma-gemist/

The show is on Peter's website now!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::

I can't understand what he's saying but I'll try and capture it.

I'll have to do it later because the program I'm going to have to do it in makes me stay on the same page and I don't want to stay on one page for an hour.  I'll copy it later.


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Post by: Kermit on October 31, 2010, 10:35:44 PM
I watched the show even though it's in Dutch much is also in English and well worth watching the whole thing & hearing Beth tell how Joran contacted her and Kelly etc.


TERRIFIC SHOW PETER deVRIES!!!!


Beth is a true Southern woman! CLASS-ACT!

 ::monkeywine2::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Kermit on October 31, 2010, 10:37:47 PM
Thank you Jo-Ann for reporting on the show.



Thank you Miss Magnolia for your post about the show in your local area at 1 AM. Very nice of you to stay up late with me. 
 ::MonkeyKiss::









Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 31, 2010, 10:38:32 PM
http://www.peterrdevries.nl/peter-r.-de-vries/achter-de-schermen/achter-de-schermen-in-alabama/

Google translation:

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Sunday, October 31, 2010, 22:18 hours

Behind the scenes

Behind the scenes in Alabama

The special trip to Peter Beth Holloway has made unique, gripping material delivered. During the recordings were also some behind the scenes photos. Look at the photo shoot Part 1: Peter and Beth in Alabama.

(http://www.peterrdevries.nl/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/140.jpg)

Peter and colleague Kees van der Spek Beth looked at her home in Birmingham in the U.S. state of Alabama

(http://www.peterrdevries.nl/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/227.jpg)

Beth Holloway rejected the last half year all requests from both American and Dutch media

(http://www.peterrdevries.nl/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/318.jpg)

In our program tells Beth for the first time exactly how the extortion in his work is gone, where Joran wanted to make her stealing $ 250,000

(http://www.peterrdevries.nl/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/413.jpg)

For that money he promised to designate the place where he had buried remains of Natalee

(http://www.peterrdevries.nl/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/58.jpg)

Where in previous interviews Joran claimed he was bombarded by Holloway family with e-mails, our report shows that the initiative itself was clear to Joran

(http://www.peterrdevries.nl/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/68.jpg)

Beth Peter provided all e-mails Joran wrote to her. Peter also gained insight into all reports of the FBI, who followed the case closely

(http://www.peterrdevries.nl/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/78.jpg)

The report on the journey of Peter and Beth was even sold to U.S. network CBS

(http://www.peterrdevries.nl/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Confrontatie.jpg)

In the second part of the documentary, which aired on November 7, is to see Beth come face to face with Joran in the maximum-security Castro Castro prison


Last Updated: Sunday, October 31, 2010, hours 11:21 p.m.



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Post by: texasmom on October 31, 2010, 10:47:37 PM
I watched the show even though it's in Dutch much is also in English and well worth watching the whole thing & hearing Beth tell how Joran contacted her and Kelly etc.


TERRIFIC SHOW PETER deVRIES!!!!


Beth is a true Southern woman! CLASS-ACT!

 ::monkeywine2::


I just finished watching the entire show too.  Well worth watching even with the language barrier.

I totally agree with you Kermit!  TERRIFIC SHOW, PETER R. DEVRIES! ::monkeywine2::

Beth is absolutely awe inspiring!   ::MonkeyAngel::

Now I can't wait for Part 2!    ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 31, 2010, 11:03:36 PM
http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Beth-Holloway-describes-van-der-Sloot-extortion/lJPV8XtXWUW3ozuWreKK4w.cspx

Beth Holloway describes van der Sloot extortion attempt for Dutch TV

Last Update: 4:42 pm 

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Birmingham, Al  (WIAT)  Beth Holloway outlines for a Dutch TV show how the prime suspect in the disappearance of her daughter Natalee tried to extort money from the grieving family.

The interviews by Dutch crime reporter Peter de Vries air tonight in the Netherlands. The video has also been sold to the CBS syndicated show The Insider which has promoted the video for Monday. You can watch The Insider weekdays on CBS42 at 1:05 a.m.

According to de Vries website, van der Sloot wanted $250,000 to tell the family where to find Natalee’s body. The Mountain Brook teenager disappeared on a 2005 graduation trip to Aruba. She was last seen with van der Sloot. He was questioned several times by Aruban authorities but never charged in her disappearance.

De Vries has covered Natalee’s case for years and on several occasions has recorded hidden camera interviews in which van der Sloot has told a variety of stories about Natalee’s fate. He has subsequently denied them all and no leads have panned out.

In tonight’s program on Dutch network SBS6, de Vries says Beth Holloway shares a chain of e-mails from van der Sloot that led up to the extortion attempt. The website says the e-mails show “a shocking picture of the ruthless, calculating way” van der Sloot manipulated the grief of Beth Holloway.

Van der Sloot allegedly took $25,000 from the family but didn’t deliver the promised information. Although the FBI was monitoring the case, van der Sloot took off from Aruba with the money and didn’t surface until he was named the suspect in a murder in Lima, Peru.  He apparently was in Peru for a poker tournament.

21 year old student Stephany Flores was found dead in van der Sloot’s Lima hotel room. He later confessed that he killed Flores when she found material about Natalee on his laptop in the hotel.

De Vries says he also has had access to the FBI files in the extortion case which resulted in a federal grand jury here in Birmingham indicting van der Sloot for extortion and wire fraud. He described van der Sloot as ruthless saying "Without batting an eye Joran points in front of Beth's lawyer John Kelly on the spot on Aruba where Natalee is supposedly buried." According to de Vries, Joran van der Sloot named his then recently deceased father as his accomplice in disposing of Natalee's body.

Part two of the De Vries series will air Sunday, November 7. His website promises footage of a meeting between Beth Hollaway and Stephany Flores’ brother. More dramatically, he also promises video of the hidden camera confrontation between Beth Holloway and Joran van der Sloot in his cell in Peru’s Castro Castro prison. Again, The Insider will be airing that video under its agreement with de Vries and SBS6 and it will be seen on CBS42.
 


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Post by: Magnolia on October 31, 2010, 11:13:26 PM
I watched the whole thing too.  Liked it. Loved that Beth was comfortable enough around Peter
to go barefoot.

Local news CBS42 in Birmingham just said that this is the last TV interview that Beth will ever do.
They didn't say how they knew that  They showed a little snip of the Insider interview.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 31, 2010, 11:23:44 PM
I watched the whole thing too.  Liked it. Loved that Beth was comfortable enough around Peter
to go barefoot.

Local news CBS42 in Birmingham just said that this is the last TV interview that Beth will ever do.
They didn't say how they knew that  They showed a little snip of the Insider interview.

Thanks Magnolia!   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: wreck on November 01, 2010, 12:31:26 AM
I watched the whole thing too.  Liked it. Loved that Beth was comfortable enough around Peter
to go barefoot.

Local news CBS42 in Birmingham just said that this is the last TV interview that Beth will ever do.They didn't say how they knew that  They showed a little snip of the Insider interview.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: wreck on November 01, 2010, 12:33:30 AM
I watched the whole thing too.  Liked it. Loved that Beth was comfortable enough around Peter
to go barefoot.

Local news CBS42 in Birmingham just said that this is the last TV interview that Beth will ever do.They didn't say how they knew that  They showed a little snip of the Insider interview.
oops- I sent the post too soon! I think Beth is vibrant --and she "knows" something!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 01, 2010, 12:56:49 AM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/23664-jan-van-der-straten-ta-splica-riba-e-trabaonan-na-centro-colorado.html

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Jan van der Straten ta splica riba e trabaonan na Centro Colorado
   
Sunday, 31 October 2010 21:13

Despues cu Centro Colorado a wordo sera pa motibo di awacero, mester a pone tambe e clientenan un otro caminda. A laganan bai Centro Dakota y na mes momento aloca un grupo tambe na un cas den area di Noord.
 A base di cierto critica cu a bin a dicidi cu lo bai drecha Centro Colorado. E clientenan lo bai bek Centro Colorado den algun siman. Jan van der Straten Cordinador di minister pa e problema di adiccion a splica un tiki mas riba e trabaonan.

 

Un tempo tabata papia cu na KIA tin un espacio pa por hinca e adictonan aden. E plan tey ainda pa muda e ser femenino pa KIA. Jan van der Straten den entrevista a splica tambe riba e parti aki. Mester a sigui cu e opleiding pa e empleadonan cu ta traha cu adictonan pero desde dos aña a stop esaki. Awor gobierno lo sigui cu e opleiding aki.

Na final a puntra Jan van der Straten pa splica kiko ta e planesnan pa e adictonan problemtatico riba caya. Tur cos ta canando caminda lo cuminsa piki adictonan segun e sentencia di huez Sali encuanto e curatela…Tin dos parti cu lo atende cu e adictonan. Tin e parti pa e adicto bao curatela y e adicto cu kier cambia den forma voluntario.

Through translator:

jan van der straten is splica on the trabaonan at centro colorado
sunday, 31 october 2010 21:13 come across

after cu centro colorado owing to wordo close before motibo by awacero, have to owing to laydown also the clientenan one another caminda. owing to laganan go centro dakota y at self instant aloca one are also at one cas in area by north. owing to base by cierto critica cu owing to come owing to dicidi cu will go fix centro colorado. the clientenan will go bek centro colorado in some week. jan van der straten cordinador by minister for her problem by adiccion owing to splica one bit more on the trabaonan. one time was talk cu at kia have one espacio before can hinca the adictonan inside. the plan tey still before muda the being female before kia. jan van der straten in interview owing to splica also on the part here. have to owing to follow cu the opleiding for her empleadonan cu is work cu adictonan but by two year owing to stop this. at present gobierno will follow cu the opleiding here. at end owing to ask jan van der straten before splica that is the planesnan for her adictonan problemtatico on caya. all cos is canando caminda will cuminsa piki adictonan according the sentencia by huez depart encuanto the curatela…tin two part cu will atende cu the adictonan. have the part for her adicto bao curatela y the adicto cu be willing to change in form voluntario.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on November 01, 2010, 01:39:33 AM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 01, 2010, 01:40:45 AM
TM - do you get automatic Awemainta notifications?  The link in my email tonight opens to a porn site.  Just wanted to warn you.  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 01, 2010, 01:59:33 AM
TM - do you get automatic Awemainta notifications?  The link in my email tonight opens to a porn site.  Just wanted to warn you.  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek::

No I don't get them, but thanks for the warning!   ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 01, 2010, 02:01:26 AM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Beth_Natalee_June20102.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyandherfatherRicardoFlores.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,
and Stephany!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 01, 2010, 02:03:15 AM
http://www.peterrdevries.nl/programma-gemist/

The show is on Peter's website now!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::

Thanks, TM!! I watched it all, too. Well worth it even though it's not all in English.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 01, 2010, 02:26:04 AM
I keep thinking that there's an opportunity here that Peter's missing... for himself. Surely he could figure out how to negotiate a simulcast in English that would play in America? There's an audience for it, and my limited understanding tells me where there's an audience, there's money to be made by doing it.

For me, I just want to be able to see it all in a language I understand ASAP.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 01, 2010, 08:00:58 AM
I keep thinking that there's an opportunity here that Peter's missing... for himself. Surely he could figure out how to negotiate a simulcast in English that would play in America? There's an audience for it, and my limited understanding tells me where there's an audience, there's money to be made by doing it.

For me, I just want to be able to see it all in a language I understand ASAP.   ::MonkeyWink::

I agree CBB, and for a while last night I was hoping maybe that's why it wasn't simulcast here...thinking maybe it was taking a little time to get the show ready with subtitles for the Dutch portions?  But then again the program that will be showing it is only a 30 minute show?  So I don't know if they'd possibly split it up and show the whole thing or not.  But I'm still hoping we might get to see it all in English eventually!

Have a great day Monkey's!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 01, 2010, 10:23:17 AM
This is 3 pages & I had some trouble copying it all...The one comment so far is not worth reading...     ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://abcnews.go.com/US/natalee-holloway-mom-speaks-joran-van-der-sloot/story?id=12020525&page=3
Natalee Holloway's Mom Speaks on Joran Van Der Sloot's Alleged Extortion Plot
Beth Twitty Speaks in Documentary: Van Der Sloot 'Was Ready to Tell the Truth'


1 comment By JOHN QUINONES, SARAH KUNIS and LEE FERRAN
Nov. 1, 2010
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The mother of missing American teenager Natalee Holloway spoke out for the first time about an alleged extortion attempt by Joran Van Der Sloot, the lead suspect in her daughter's disappearance, in which he offered to "bring [her] Natalee" in exchange for $250,000.


"He was ready to tell the truth and lead me to the truth and lead me to Natalee's remains," Beth Twitty told Dutch reporter Peter De Vries in a new Dutch documentary.

Natalee Holloway disappeared from vacation in Aruba in 2005. Van der Sloot, long time prime suspect in the teenager's disappearance, reportedly confessed to involvement in the girl's death several times, but later retracted the confessions. Van der Sloot is currently being held in a Peruvian prison, accused of murdering a young Peruvian woman in May of this year.

Related
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In the Dutch documentary, Twitty said that van der Sloot reached out to her nearly five years after her daughter disappeared, offering information that would lead to Holloway's remains for the right price.


"I want to do something good," van der Sloot wrote in an e-mail to Twitty's lawyer, John Kelly, according to Twitty. "This is a hurtful situation for all of us and it will stay this way until it's over. I will bring you to Natalee, but the information that comes from me has to remain a secret. In return, I want to receive $250,000. If you're interested, I'll give you more details."

"I'm thinking, OK, if this is the way that I can get her remains, then I'm in," Twitty said.

Kelly, however, was convinced the offer was a scam and asked van der Sloot to Fed Ex him a bone fragment to be tested for Holloway's DNA. Van Der Sloot refused.

Still desperate, Twitty said she paid van der Sloot $25,000, but never received any information. Instead, van der Sloot traveled to Peru where a few weeks later he was arrested and charged in the murder of a 21-year-old Peruvian woman.

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 01, 2010, 01:44:52 PM
I keep thinking that there's an opportunity here that Peter's missing... for himself. Surely he could figure out how to negotiate a simulcast in English that would play in America? There's an audience for it, and my limited understanding tells me where there's an audience, there's money to be made by doing it.

For me, I just want to be able to see it all in a language I understand ASAP.   ::MonkeyWink::

I agree CBB, and for a while last night I was hoping maybe that's why it wasn't simulcast here...thinking maybe it was taking a little time to get the show ready with subtitles for the Dutch portions?  But then again the program that will be showing it is only a 30 minute show?  So I don't know if they'd possibly split it up and show the whole thing or not.  But I'm still hoping we might get to see it all in English eventually!

Have a great day Monkey's!   ::MonkeyDance::

I remember so well the night that Peter aired the video of Patrick in the car with Joran. We were all here.......... wasn't that a simulcast?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 01, 2010, 02:26:58 PM
Another Face to Face

Mother confronts Aruba suspect
Holloway's mother questions Kalpoe about disappearance of missing teen
August 9, 2005


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY:  The one question that he (Deepak) did ask me, and this was probably 10 minutes before I was leaving.  He told me that the media has not seen this side of you.  I told him, I’d been saving it for you, Deepak. 

JOE SCARBOROUGH, ‘SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY’ HOST: What side is that? 

HOLLOWAY: I think it’s just the side that, I will stop at nothing to get answers.  There is nothing that I won’t do.  There’s nowhere that I won’t go.  I’m going to ask every question.  I don’t care how painful it is.  I will do it, because I’m not going to have any regrets.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/8885950/

 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 01, 2010, 02:31:36 PM
I keep thinking that there's an opportunity here that Peter's missing... for himself. Surely he could figure out how to negotiate a simulcast in English that would play in America? There's an audience for it, and my limited understanding tells me where there's an audience, there's money to be made by doing it.

For me, I just want to be able to see it all in a language I understand ASAP.   ::MonkeyWink::

I agree CBB, and for a while last night I was hoping maybe that's why it wasn't simulcast here...thinking maybe it was taking a little time to get the show ready with subtitles for the Dutch portions?  But then again the program that will be showing it is only a 30 minute show?  So I don't know if they'd possibly split it up and show the whole thing or not.  But I'm still hoping we might get to see it all in English eventually!

Have a great day Monkey's!   ::MonkeyDance::

I remember so well the night that Peter aired the video of Patrick in the car with Joran. We were all here.......... wasn't that a simulcast?

IIRC, they weren't on at the same time.  It seems like there may have been a few days between them, but I'd have to look back to be sure.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 01, 2010, 03:11:21 PM
I keep thinking that there's an opportunity here that Peter's missing... for himself. Surely he could figure out how to negotiate a simulcast in English that would play in America? There's an audience for it, and my limited understanding tells me where there's an audience, there's money to be made by doing it.

For me, I just want to be able to see it all in a language I understand ASAP.   ::MonkeyWink::

I agree CBB, and for a while last night I was hoping maybe that's why it wasn't simulcast here...thinking maybe it was taking a little time to get the show ready with subtitles for the Dutch portions?  But then again the program that will be showing it is only a 30 minute show?  So I don't know if they'd possibly split it up and show the whole thing or not.  But I'm still hoping we might get to see it all in English eventually!

Have a great day Monkey's!   ::MonkeyDance::

I remember so well the night that Peter aired the video of Patrick in the car with Joran. We were all here.......... wasn't that a simulcast?

No.  My hubby taped taped the entire special as it aired.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Buckeye on November 01, 2010, 04:06:57 PM
I keep thinking that there's an opportunity here that Peter's missing... for himself. Surely he could figure out how to negotiate a simulcast in English that would play in America? There's an audience for it, and my limited understanding tells me where there's an audience, there's money to be made by doing it.

For me, I just want to be able to see it all in a language I understand ASAP.   ::MonkeyWink::

I agree CBB, and for a while last night I was hoping maybe that's why it wasn't simulcast here...thinking maybe it was taking a little time to get the show ready with subtitles for the Dutch portions?  But then again the program that will be showing it is only a 30 minute show?  So I don't know if they'd possibly split it up and show the whole thing or not.  But I'm still hoping we might get to see it all in English eventually!

Have a great day Monkey's!   ::MonkeyDance::

I remember so well the night that Peter aired the video of Patrick in the car with Joran. We were all here.......... wasn't that a simulcast?

IIRC, they weren't on at the same time.  It seems like there may have been a few days between them, but I'd have to look back to be sure.

Translators were working....equivaction??? and EuroRobert....were posting in real time.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Kermit on November 01, 2010, 04:15:11 PM
I watched the whole thing too.  Liked it. Loved that Beth was comfortable enough around Peter
to go barefoot.

Local news CBS42 in Birmingham just said that this is the last TV interview that Beth will ever do.
They didn't say how they knew that  They showed a little snip of the Insider interview.

Barefoot and skinny jeans - she's HOT!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Kermit on November 01, 2010, 04:20:05 PM
I watched the show even though it's in Dutch much is also in English and well worth watching the whole thing & hearing Beth tell how Joran contacted her and Kelly etc.


TERRIFIC SHOW PETER deVRIES!!!!


Beth is a true Southern woman! CLASS-ACT!

 ::monkeywine2::


I just finished watching the entire show too.  Well worth watching even with the language barrier.

I totally agree with you Kermit!  TERRIFIC SHOW, PETER R. DEVRIES! ::monkeywine2::

Beth is absolutely awe inspiring!   ::MonkeyAngel::

Now I can't wait for Part 2!    ::MonkeyDance::

'Inside Edition' said it will air the interview with Beth on Monday. Ususally Inside Edition airs after Entertainment Tonight. Just check your local area listings.


I agree texasmom - Beth sure does show us all what faith, love, hope and class are all about.
I feel like a fly on the wall putting the pieces all together sometimes.

Heres to Beth and all the monkeys & freebirds who are dedicated to Natalee!
 ::monkeywine2::





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Kermit on November 01, 2010, 04:49:06 PM
After being in the presence of Deepak for an hour earlier today, are you convinced that he is involved in the disappearance of Natalee? 

HOLLOWAY: Oh, absolutely.  Anybody that was in there and saw him would agree 100 percent.  There wouldn’t be one person that didn’t believe that he had involvement if they would have been in there and witnessed and been in his presence.  There’s no one that wouldn’t believe that he has involvement.
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/8885950/


TIME IS A TICKING FOR THE LEPRECHAUNS
 ::MonkeyGavel::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 01, 2010, 05:07:58 PM

I remember so well the night that Peter aired the video of Patrick in the car with Joran. We were all here.......... wasn't that a simulcast?

No.  My hubby taped the entire special as it aired.

Janet

Report: Van Der Sloot Says He Lied About Holloway
February 1, 2008


ABC News has obtained exclusive U.S. rights to this stunning new information caught on tape and will air a 90-minute special edition of "20/20: The Final Hours of Natalee Holloway" Monday at 9:30 p.m. ET, as well as special coverage of the case on "Good Morning America" on Monday.

De Vries' hidden cameras caught Dutch student van der Sloot saying that Holloway died after having sex with him and that he then dumped her body at sea with the help of a friend.

But in a new development, van der Sloot now says that he was lying when he privately told an acquaintance that he was involved in Holloway's disappearance.

"It is true I told someone. Everybody will see it Sunday," Van der Sloot said on the Dutch television show "Pauw & Witteman," according to The Associated Press.

"That is what he wanted to hear, so I told him what he wanted to hear," Van der Sloot said, adding that he never fully trusted the man to whom he'd confessed.

"It is so stupid, it is so stupid, it is really stupid," Van der Sloot said, his voice cracking, the AP reported.

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=4235362&page=1


Van der Sloot on Tape
Reporter says secretly taped interview reveals what happened to Natalee Holloway
02/03/2008


http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=4236252


klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #723 2/5 -
« Reply #293 on: February 05, 2008, 04:50:04 PM
»

Last nights ABC special on Youtube links:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9.msg341474#msg341474

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2572.msg341540#msg341540


caesu
Re: MEDIA COVERAGE
« Reply #155 on: February 05, 2008, 03:28:48 PM »

ABC 20/20 Special

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XiVDQ-ShHs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgrnp8lEBTE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJTFAtA94W4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08GJS9fx-kw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvosKuNp76E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqtephshvvA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH2cOiIuID8

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9.msg341474#msg341474




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 01, 2010, 05:33:06 PM
After being in the presence of Deepak for an hour earlier today, are you convinced that he is involved in the disappearance of Natalee? 

HOLLOWAY: Oh, absolutely.  Anybody that was in there and saw him would agree 100 percent.  There wouldn’t be one person that didn’t believe that he had involvement if they would have been in there and witnessed and been in his presence.  There’s no one that wouldn’t believe that he has involvement.
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/8885950/


TIME IS A TICKING FOR THE LEPRECHAUNS

 ::MonkeyGavel::



I sincerely hope so.

In all of his so-called "confessions" Joran can distance the Kalpoes ... distance his father ... distance the former suspects in the Natalee Holloway case from implication in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 but ... it doesn't make it so.

When the archives are considered ... it is difficult to comprehend why there are still  those who insist on giving the Kalpoes a pass and ... it is also  difficult to comprehend why the Kalpoes are no longer suspects in the Natalee Holloway case.

Janet

++++++

Nancy Grace - August 26, 2006

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: We`ve known from day one Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are way deeply involved in this.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/26/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: wreck on November 01, 2010, 06:03:56 PM
After being in the presence of Deepak for an hour earlier today, are you convinced that he is involved in the disappearance of Natalee? 

HOLLOWAY: Oh, absolutely.  Anybody that was in there and saw him would agree 100 percent.  There wouldn’t be one person that didn’t believe that he had involvement if they would have been in there and witnessed and been in his presence.  There’s no one that wouldn’t believe that he has involvement.
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/8885950/


TIME IS A TICKING FOR THE LEPRECHAUNS

 ::MonkeyGavel::



I sincerely hope so.

In all of his so-called "confessions" Joran can distance the Kalpoes ... distance his father ... distance the former suspects in the Natalee Holloway case from implication in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 but ... it doesn't make it so.

When the archives are considered ... it is difficult to comprehend why there are still  those who insist on giving the Kalpoes a pass and ... it is also  difficult to comprehend why the Kalpoes are no longer suspects in the Natalee Holloway case.

Janet

++++++

Nancy Grace - August 26, 2006

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: We`ve known from day one Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are way deeply involved in this.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/26/ng.01.html

Just because ARUBA does not consider the Kalpoes as "suspects" -- doesn't mean the rest of the world does not.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 01, 2010, 06:06:31 PM
I keep thinking that there's an opportunity here that Peter's missing... for himself. Surely he could figure out how to negotiate a simulcast in English that would play in America? There's an audience for it, and my limited understanding tells me where there's an audience, there's money to be made by doing it.

For me, I just want to be able to see it all in a language I understand ASAP.   ::MonkeyWink::

I agree CBB, and for a while last night I was hoping maybe that's why it wasn't simulcast here...thinking maybe it was taking a little time to get the show ready with subtitles for the Dutch portions?  But then again the program that will be showing it is only a 30 minute show?  So I don't know if they'd possibly split it up and show the whole thing or not.  But I'm still hoping we might get to see it all in English eventually!

Have a great day Monkey's!   ::MonkeyDance::

I remember so well the night that Peter aired the video of Patrick in the car with Joran. We were all here.......... wasn't that a simulcast?

IIRC, they weren't on at the same time.  It seems like there may have been a few days between them, but I'd have to look back to be sure.

Translators were working....equivaction??? and EuroRobert....were posting in real time.

That's what I remembered too.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 01, 2010, 06:30:08 PM
I watched the show even though it's in Dutch much is also in English and well worth watching the whole thing & hearing Beth tell how Joran contacted her and Kelly etc.


TERRIFIC SHOW PETER deVRIES!!!!


Beth is a true Southern woman! CLASS-ACT!

 ::monkeywine2::


I just finished watching the entire show too.  Well worth watching even with the language barrier.

I totally agree with you Kermit!  TERRIFIC SHOW, PETER R. DEVRIES! ::monkeywine2::

Beth is absolutely awe inspiring!   ::MonkeyAngel::

Now I can't wait for Part 2!    ::MonkeyDance::

'Inside Edition' said it will air the interview with Beth on Monday. Ususally Inside Edition airs after Entertainment Tonight. Just check your local area listings.


I agree texasmom - Beth sure does show us all what faith, love, hope and class are all about.
I feel like a fly on the wall putting the pieces all together sometimes.

Heres to Beth and all the monkeys & freebirds who are dedicated to Natalee!
 ::monkeywine2::



I don't get "Inside Edition" at all.   ::MonkeyWaa::

At one time I did have all the networks on my satellite channels, but some law a few years ago prevents that now (very irritating btw).  My local CBS affiliate doesn't carry it.  But I do get Entertainment Tonight on NBC, and there was a short advertisement that said Beth would be on there tonight.  So I'm going to watch it and see what they have.  If it doesn't have as much as the Inside Edition broadcast, maybe someone will put it on youtube in a day or two.

Hear hear!   ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 01, 2010, 06:42:04 PM
After being in the presence of Deepak for an hour earlier today, are you convinced that he is involved in the disappearance of Natalee? 

HOLLOWAY: Oh, absolutely.  Anybody that was in there and saw him would agree 100 percent.  There wouldn’t be one person that didn’t believe that he had involvement if they would have been in there and witnessed and been in his presence.  There’s no one that wouldn’t believe that he has involvement.
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/8885950/


TIME IS A TICKING FOR THE LEPRECHAUNS
 ::MonkeyGavel::



HT Klaas  ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/ClockDeepak.gif)(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/ClockSatish.gif)
 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 01, 2010, 06:59:09 PM
After being in the presence of Deepak for an hour earlier today, are you convinced that he is involved in the disappearance of Natalee? 

HOLLOWAY: Oh, absolutely.  Anybody that was in there and saw him would agree 100 percent.  There wouldn’t be one person that didn’t believe that he had involvement if they would have been in there and witnessed and been in his presence.  There’s no one that wouldn’t believe that he has involvement.
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/8885950/


TIME IS A TICKING FOR THE LEPRECHAUNS

 ::MonkeyGavel::



I sincerely hope so.

In all of his so-called "confessions" Joran can distance the Kalpoes ... distance his father ... distance the former suspects in the Natalee Holloway case from implication in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 but ... it doesn't make it so.

When the archives are considered ... it is difficult to comprehend why there are still  those who insist on giving the Kalpoes a pass and ... it is also  difficult to comprehend why the Kalpoes are no longer suspects in the Natalee Holloway case.

Janet

++++++

Nancy Grace - August 26, 2006

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: We`ve known from day one Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are way deeply involved in this.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/26/ng.01.html



Most of those old quote stacks and reminders aren't worth the bandwith that it takes to print them.

Their revelance changes with the latest news and Joran "confession".
We all know with some certainty that the Kalpoes and Paulus were involved. IMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 01, 2010, 07:07:05 PM
I watched the whole thing too.  Liked it. Loved that Beth was comfortable enough around Peter
to go barefoot.

Local news CBS42 in Birmingham just said that this is the last TV interview that Beth will ever do.
They didn't say how they knew that  They showed a little snip of the Insider interview.

Barefoot and skinny jeans - she's HOT!


Yes, she is, and she looked right at home in her lake house. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 01, 2010, 07:09:47 PM
Entertainment Tonight is going to have a Beth segment in a few minutes.  6:30PM Central


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: San on November 01, 2010, 07:16:52 PM
I watched the whole thing too.  Liked it. Loved that Beth was comfortable enough around Peter
to go barefoot.

Local news CBS42 in Birmingham just said that this is the last TV interview that Beth will ever do.
They didn't say how they knew that  They showed a little snip of the Insider interview.

Barefoot and skinny jeans - she's HOT!


Yes, she is, and she looked right at home in her lake house. ::MonkeyCool::

Yeah and Joran looks right at home in his jail cell worried about if they are spitting in his food.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 01, 2010, 07:18:57 PM
After being in the presence of Deepak for an hour earlier today, are you convinced that he is involved in the disappearance of Natalee? 

HOLLOWAY: Oh, absolutely.  Anybody that was in there and saw him would agree 100 percent.  There wouldn’t be one person that didn’t believe that he had involvement if they would have been in there and witnessed and been in his presence.  There’s no one that wouldn’t believe that he has involvement.
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/8885950/


TIME IS A TICKING FOR THE LEPRECHAUNS

 ::MonkeyGavel::



I sincerely hope so.

In all of his so-called "confessions" Joran can distance the Kalpoes ... distance his father ... distance the former suspects in the Natalee Holloway case from implication in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 but ... it doesn't make it so.

When the archives are considered ... it is difficult to comprehend why there are still  those who insist on giving the Kalpoes a pass and ... it is also  difficult to comprehend why the Kalpoes are no longer suspects in the Natalee Holloway case.

Janet

++++++

Nancy Grace - August 26, 2006

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: We`ve known from day one Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are way deeply involved in this.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/26/ng.01.html



Most of those old quote stacks and reminders aren't worth the bandwith that it takes to print them.

Their revelance changes with the latest news and Joran "confession".
We all know with some certainty that the Kalpoes and Paulus were involved. IMO


Magnolia

There are many posts that I consider are not worth the bandwidth but ... that is only my opinion.  I just scroll by.

The words of Beth Holloway is the 2005 quote that Kermit posted and ... the words of Beth Holloway in the 2006 quote that I posted are relevant to the current happenings in the Dr. Phil case.  If you disagree.  That's OK.

Thank You.

Janet

+++++

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: meshuggener on November 01, 2010, 07:21:37 PM
Entertainment Tonight is going to have a Beth segment in a few minutes.  6:30PM Central
It's on right now in Charleston, SC on THE INSIDER, after Inside Edition and Access Hollywood.  A very quick story with more throughout the week.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: meshuggener on November 01, 2010, 07:24:06 PM
Entertainment Tonight is going to have a Beth segment in a few minutes.  6:30PM Central
It's on right now in Charleston, SC on THE INSIDER, after Inside Edition and Access Hollywood.  A very quick story with more throughout the week.
7:00 PM EST


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 01, 2010, 07:28:16 PM
Entertainment Tonight is going to have a Beth segment in a few minutes.  6:30PM Central
It's on right now in Charleston, SC on THE INSIDER, after Inside Edition and Access Hollywood.  A very quick story with more throughout the week.
7:00 PM EST

Thank you meshuggene.

I don't receive that channel.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 01, 2010, 07:32:15 PM
I watched the whole thing too.  Liked it. Loved that Beth was comfortable enough around Peter
to go barefoot.

Local news CBS42 in Birmingham just said that this is the last TV interview that Beth will ever do.
They didn't say how they knew that  They showed a little snip of the Insider interview.

Barefoot and skinny jeans - she's HOT!


Yes, she is, and she looked right at home in her lake house. ::MonkeyCool::

Yeah and Joran looks right at home in his jail cell worried about if they are spitting in his food.  ::MonkeyWink::

And when he does decide to eat...being very careful that no crumbs get in his whiskers for the rats to come after when it gets dark in there!
 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 01, 2010, 07:37:36 PM
Entertainment Tonight is going to have a Beth segment in a few minutes.  6:30PM Central
It's on right now in Charleston, SC on THE INSIDER, after Inside Edition and Access Hollywood.  A very quick story with more throughout the week.
7:00 PM EST

I was able to catch The Insider segment with Beth.  I was not prepared to take notes or record it, but I can say that she read a few sections of the emails from Joran.  She was asked about his gambling addiction and she basically referred to Natalee's money and commented that would he kill for it....likely he could.

Entertainment Tonight will have Beth's encounter at Castro Castro with Joran on Friday at 7PM ET.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 01, 2010, 07:48:27 PM
I saw the Entertainment Tonight segment.  It was basically a lead in to their Friday show,
but it showed Beth in Castro Castro crying her eyes out....big tears running down her cheeks.
I don't know if it was before or after she confronted Joran.
It was sad.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 01, 2010, 07:58:42 PM
I saw the Entertainment Tonight segment.  It was basically a lead in to their Friday show,
but it showed Beth in Castro Castro crying her eyes out....big tears running down her cheeks.
I don't know if it was before or after she confronted Joran.
It was sad.

Yes, they had a promo at the beginning and just showed what you've described again at the end.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Blue Moon on November 01, 2010, 08:08:24 PM
I saw the Entertainment Tonight segment.  It was basically a lead in to their Friday show,
but it showed Beth in Castro Castro crying her eyes out....big tears running down her cheeks.
I don't know if it was before or after she confronted Joran.
It was sad.

The  boy is a pile of crap.  He is EVIL, MEAN, SICK etc.,etc.,etc.  How can anyone put a mother through all of this?
I hope Anita is watching all of this.  She was his next target.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 01, 2010, 08:11:46 PM
I saw the Entertainment Tonight segment.  It was basically a lead in to their Friday show,
but it showed Beth in Castro Castro crying her eyes out....big tears running down her cheeks.
I don't know if it was before or after she confronted Joran.
It was sad.

The  boy is a pile of crap.  He is EVIL, MEAN, SICK etc.,etc.,etc.  How can anyone put a mother through all of this?
I hope Anita is watching all of this.  She was his next target.

I'm sure Anita is watching all of this and will suffer in some way, shape or form for his actions.  I don't care if she's 'disowned' him....she's full of crap, too.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 01, 2010, 08:21:56 PM
I saw the Entertainment Tonight segment.  It was basically a lead in to their Friday show,
but it showed Beth in Castro Castro crying her eyes out....big tears running down her cheeks.
I don't know if it was before or after she confronted Joran.
It was sad.

The  boy is a pile of crap.  He is EVIL, MEAN, SICK etc.,etc.,etc.  How can anyone put a mother through all of this?
I hope Anita is watching all of this.  She was his next target.


Evil Personified!!

I LIED

Holloway attorney details van der Sloot sting
updated 6/11/2010 12:58:39 PM ET


It was later determined that the house was not built when Holloway disappeared on her high school’s senior trip and that the information was false.

Van der Sloot himself told Kelly in an e-mail he apparently sent from Peru a week after the meeting that he had lied.

“He indicated it was all a hoax, which is sort of his M.O. with everybody — get the money, then say it’s a hoax and avoid criminal prosecution,” Kelly said.   

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/37635627


Fallout From Joran van der Sloot's 'On the Record' Interview
Wednesday, November 26, 2008


GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Coming up: You heard Joran van der Sloot in an interview done in Thailand say he sold Natalee, but eight hours later, before we had even gotten out of Thailand, an e-mail flashed across my BlackBerry.  Joran said he lied to us.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,457715,00.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 01, 2010, 08:22:52 PM
I saw the Entertainment Tonight segment.  It was basically a lead in to their Friday show,
but it showed Beth in Castro Castro crying her eyes out....big tears running down her cheeks.
I don't know if it was before or after she confronted Joran.
It was sad.

Yes, very sad.   ::MonkeyTears::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 01, 2010, 10:31:28 PM
I saw the Entertainment Tonight segment.  It was basically a lead in to their Friday show,
but it showed Beth in Castro Castro crying her eyes out....big tears running down her cheeks.
I don't know if it was before or after she confronted Joran.
It was sad.

The  boy is a pile of crap.  He is EVIL, MEAN, SICK etc.,etc.,etc.  How can anyone put a mother through all of this?
I hope Anita is watching all of this.  She was his next target.

I'm sure Anita is watching all of this and will suffer in some way, shape or form for his actions.  I don't care if she's 'disowned' him....she's full of crap, too.

2NJ

The fruit does not fall far from the tree.  It appears that both Anita and Joran have the same Narcissistic personality disorder.  In other words ... it is all about them.

Janet

+++++


Holloway family extortion plot: 'Why not?'
NBC News and news services
updated 9/6/2010 6:49:49 AM ET


"I wanted to get back at Natalee's family — her parents have been making my life tough for five years,"  the De Telegraaf newspaper quoted Joran Van der Sloot as saying in an interview published Monday.

"When they offered to pay for the girl's location, I thought: 'Why not?'" he added, according to the newspaper.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39023617/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts


Anita van der Sloot - De Telegraaf - June 19th 2010

Anita: I now believe that Joran might have done something to Stephany in Peru. Maybe an act of rage? I don't know. I'm very saddened that that businessman Flores lost his daughter, and I my son. That's the way it feels like."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8032.msg1164835#msg1164835


Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak
Thursday, June 23, 2005


ANITA VAN DER SLOOT, MOTHER OF DUTCH SUSPECT: It's extremely tough. He's in custody now for 13, 14 days, I think. I have lost count. And I love my child. I believe in him 200 percent. And it's just like a big nightmare. We don't know how to deal with it because you can't deal with it. We think about the family a lot because their life is a nightmare but our life is a nightmare, too.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160471,00.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Kermit on November 01, 2010, 10:32:12 PM
(http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/693/bethontheinsidernovembe.jpg)

I think I posted Inside Edition and that was a mistake - it's The Insider that the show is airing on.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Kermit on November 01, 2010, 10:34:34 PM

Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak
Thursday, June 23, 2005


ANITA VAN DER SLOOT, MOTHER OF DUTCH SUSPECT: It's extremely tough. He's in custody now for 13, 14 days, I think. I have lost count. And I love my child. I believe in him 200 percent. And it's just like a big nightmare. We don't know how to deal with it because you can't deal with it. We think about the family a lot because their life is a nightmare but our life is a nightmare, too.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160471,00.html


A case of nutballs if you ask me.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 01, 2010, 10:43:10 PM
I watched the show even though it's in Dutch much is also in English and well worth watching the whole thing & hearing Beth tell how Joran contacted her and Kelly etc.


TERRIFIC SHOW PETER deVRIES!!!!


Beth is a true Southern woman! CLASS-ACT!

 ::monkeywine2::




YES she is!!   ::MonkeyDance::

Kermit? Your Christmas avi is in my thread. Just click the link in my signature line. Most everybody's is there........ I still have a few to post...... I took a break!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 01, 2010, 10:53:36 PM
(http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/693/bethontheinsidernovembe.jpg)

I think I posted Inside Edition and that was a mistake - it's The Insider that the show is airing on.


Yes, I remember that now too Kermit.  I don't get that one either.  It's available on the network channels that are listed in my program guide, but that I'm not allowed to purchase because of my local affiliates.

I called just to make sure that was still a "rule" and of course it is.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I'm hoping that Entertainment Tonight will have basically the same information.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 01, 2010, 10:58:18 PM
(http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/693/bethontheinsidernovembe.jpg)

I think I posted Inside Edition and that was a mistake - it's The Insider that the show is airing on.


Beth is crying.

Joran as well as all those who protected him from implication in the events that encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 are responsible for those tears.

 ::MonkeyMad::

Janet

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 01, 2010, 11:06:12 PM
Is the second part of Peter's show up yet? Guess I could go look, huh?   ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 01, 2010, 11:30:10 PM
Is the second part of Peter's show up yet? Guess I could go look, huh?   ::MonkeyTongue::

It's not supposed to be shown in Holland until November 7th iirc.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 01, 2010, 11:37:29 PM
So, here's the summary:

Peter R de Vries – Sunday, October 31st 2010.
Elaborate introduction, concentrating on Joran’s gambling addictio, hunger for money and pathological lying.
After his dad died, he more or less faked he was mourning his father’s dad and his mother was trying to get him admitted to a mental institution. But Joran had actually already started blackmailing Beth.

Peter arriving at Beth’s house.
Joran said in the John van den Heuvel interview that Beth was the one who contacted him first, but emails clearly show that Joran was the one who initiated the blackmailing.

Joran tried blackmailing Beth for $250,000.
It started mid to late March. Joran was looking for money. He wanted to lead Beth to Natalee’s remains. He said he wanted to get this “monkey off his back”.
Joran sent the first email under the alias JP Sanders to Greta van Susteren, asking for Beth’s lawyer’s email address.
John Kelly then sent an email back to Joran.
March 30th Joran sends John Kelly an email that he wants to do some good, he will lead them to Natalee’s remains. He asked for $250K.
Beth says: “If this is the way I can get her remains, then I’m in.”
Everyone’s flabbergasted but John Kelly sends an emai back that his client is interested and asking what kind of info he has.
Joran sends back: I never hurt anyone in my life. I can show you the spot where she was and maybe still is. Joran says some friends buried Natalee the night she died because he had to go home to sleep. He also writes that she might have been replaced.
He says he went to the location a week earlier to pay respects and from what he felt she was still there.
John Kelly answers that he doesn’t believe him and he has to do a lot better than that.
Joran swears he is not lying.
Joran emails a whole list of conditions. He also writes why he wants to come clean, because things have changed in his life.
Kelly is very hesitant, feels like he his being played.
Joran says: I’m ready to start my life over, I’ve hurt enough people. I would never blackmail Natalee’s parents.
Next decision was for John Kelly to go to Aruba.
Kelly and Joran decided to meet at the Marriott Hotel.
Joran didn’t show up.
Kelly went back to the US.
Joran later said in an email he listened to his instincts and he didn’t trust Kelly.
Beth never thought until that point that it was blackmail or extortion.
Beth called the governor of Alabama that she thought what had happened was a federal crime.
After that there was a meeting with the FBI. The FBI starts an investigation.

Joran writes another email on April 30th to set up another meeting.
Kelly took $10K cash with him to Aruba. Beth would wire $15K to Joran’s account.
The FBI came to Aruba too.
This time Joran did show up at the Marriott.
They went up to a room where Joran took the money, the FBI was recording everything.
Beth then wires the money.
After Joran gets confirmation from the bank that the money is being wired, Kelly and Joran go the site where Natalee is supposedly buried.
They get to the site, Joran says Paulus was the one who buried Natalee.
He says that Paul at first hid the body at the beach and replaced her a few days later.
There has been construction work at the site, Joran is leading Kelly through the area.
Jorans shows Kelly the spot where Natalee’s remains are supposed to be.
Joran uses the time that is needed to determine whether anything is actually there to flee Aruba.
Joran sends an email to John Kelly saying Kelly and Beth are nice people but shouldn’t be so stupid.
Joran meanwhile is in Peru spending the $25K.
Joran sends another email, that he wants Beth to buy him a plane ticket to Aruba, he wanted to turn himself in.
Beth thinks Joran is in the Netherlands.
She then finds out that Joran is wanted for murder in Peru.
She is afraid the story will repeat itself and Joran will be a free man again, like he became after being released from prison in 2005.
That is why she wanted to contact the Flores family.
So Peter and Beth go to Peru.

Next week: part 2.
Beth meets the Flores family, and Joran.


Just wanted to bump this up for anyone that missed it, and hasn't watched the show.

Thanks again for the summary Jo-An!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 02, 2010, 12:55:30 AM
I didn't realize that there was another famous Peter deVries who is American.

There was a quote from the American Peter on my "quote of the day" today.
It was something like...."Everybody hates me because I am so universially loved."
I was a little taken aback and thought that doesn't sound like our Peter deVries

I think the American Peter was born in Chicago and was an editor and satarist for the New Yorker Magazine.

Just a tid bit for the day. ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 02, 2010, 01:17:35 AM
I didn't realize that there was another famous Peter deVries who is American.

There was a quote from the American Peter on my "quote of the day" today.
It was something like...."Everybody hates me because I am so universially loved."
I was a little taken aback and thought that doesn't sound like our Peter deVries

I think the American Peter was born in Chicago and was an editor and satarist for the New Yorker Magazine.

Just a tid bit for the day. ::MonkeyJnBox::

Yes, I've come across another one a few times...but don't really know much about him!

Thanks for the info Magnolia!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 02, 2010, 01:34:22 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/NataleeDave_tt.jpg)

I know all of this must be hard on Dave too.  There hasn't been any news about him that I recall since his health issues that Tim Miller and Steph Watts talked about on that awful show over a month ago.  I hope he's recovered from whatever was found to be the problem then, and will be able to stay in good health.  My thoughts and prayers have been with him. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 02, 2010, 01:41:02 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)

Justice for Natalee...

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

and Stephany!   ::MonkeyJustice::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Kermit on November 02, 2010, 02:47:48 AM
I watched the show even though it's in Dutch much is also in English and well worth watching the whole thing & hearing Beth tell how Joran contacted her and Kelly etc.


TERRIFIC SHOW PETER deVRIES!!!!


Beth is a true Southern woman! CLASS-ACT!

 ::monkeywine2::




YES she is!!   ::MonkeyDance::

Kermit? Your Christmas avi is in my thread. Just click the link in my signature line. Most everybody's is there........ I still have a few to post...... I took a break!  ::MonkeyWink::

Thank you CBB - you are the best.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Kermit on November 02, 2010, 02:49:31 AM
(http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/693/bethontheinsidernovembe.jpg)

I think I posted Inside Edition and that was a mistake - it's The Insider that the show is airing on.


Beth is crying.

Joran as well as all those who protected him from implication in the events that encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 are responsible for those tears.

 ::MonkeyMad::

Janet


Very true. It's despicable, one has to hope that they will be brought to justice here on this earth before they hit that fire in hell.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Kermit on November 02, 2010, 02:54:13 AM
I saw the Entertainment Tonight segment.  It was basically a lead in to their Friday show,
but it showed Beth in Castro Castro crying her eyes out....big tears running down her cheeks.
I don't know if it was before or after she confronted Joran.
It was sad.

The  boy is a pile of crap.  He is EVIL, MEAN, SICK etc.,etc.,etc.  How can anyone put a mother through all of this?
I hope Anita is watching all of this.  She was his next target.

I'm sure Anita is watching all of this and will suffer in some way, shape or form for his actions.  I don't care if she's 'disowned' him....she's full of crap, too.

Why doesn't Anita do the right thing? Go down to Peru and beat the hell out of her son until he tells her what he did to Natalee and where her remains are. To do nothing means she is just as culpable as her murdering son. At some point G_d will turn his back on her and her whole generation.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Kermit on November 02, 2010, 02:56:54 AM
(http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/693/bethontheinsidernovembe.jpg)

I think I posted Inside Edition and that was a mistake - it's The Insider that the show is airing on.


Yes, I remember that now too Kermit.  I don't get that one either.  It's available on the network channels that are listed in my program guide, but that I'm not allowed to purchase because of my local affiliates.

I called just to make sure that was still a "rule" and of course it is.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I'm hoping that Entertainment Tonight will have basically the same information.

Well, it looks like they are going to show Beth meeting with Joran on Sunday.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Kermit on November 02, 2010, 02:58:24 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)

Justice for Natalee...

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

and Stephany!   ::MonkeyJustice::



Thank you texasmom for posting this each evening as a reminder of  these Angels
G_d bless.

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 02, 2010, 09:24:42 AM
Did Beth say somewhere in the program with Peter, that they didn't believe Joran's story of Paulus
burying Natalee in the construction site, because they thought that he had put Natalee in the water?

Morning all! ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 02, 2010, 11:03:35 AM
 ::MonkeyRain::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/album2/Images/305.zoom1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 02, 2010, 11:32:57 AM

Why doesn't Anita do the right thing? Go down to Peru and beat the hell out of her son until he tells her what he did to Natalee and where her remains are. To do nothing means she is just as culpable as her murdering son. At some point G_d will turn his back on her and her whole generation.



Narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) is a pervasive pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration, and a lack of empathy.  The narcissist is described as being excessively preoccupied with issues of personal adequacy, power, and prestige. Narcissistic personality disorder is closely linked to self-centeredness.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 02, 2010, 11:40:57 AM
2005

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/989507.jpg)

Klaasend - Scared Monkeys


2010

Talking To Beth Holloway Five Years After Natalee's Disappearance
05/30/10 1:45 pm


"Tragedy creates an opportunity to make a difference."

Making A Difference
 
Beth tells the story of Natalee's disappearance to high school and college students round the nation as part of her work with the Natalee Holloway Resource Center,which launches in D.C. on June 8

"The Natalee Holloway Resource Center is focusing on education and crime prevention, and in the event that a loved one goes missing we have the resources and the contacts to assist the families."
 
http://www.abc3340.com/news/stories/0510/741129.html

++++++

Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC

Mayday 360
http://www.mayday360.com/default.aspx




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Anna on November 02, 2010, 01:14:05 PM
I saw the Entertainment Tonight segment.  It was basically a lead in to their Friday show,
but it showed Beth in Castro Castro crying her eyes out....big tears running down her cheeks.
I don't know if it was before or after she confronted Joran.
It was sad.

The  boy is a pile of crap.  He is EVIL, MEAN, SICK etc.,etc.,etc.  How can anyone put a mother through all of this?
I hope Anita is watching all of this.  She was his next target.

I'm sure Anita is watching all of this and will suffer in some way, shape or form for his actions.  I don't care if she's 'disowned' him....she's full of crap, too.

Why doesn't Anita do the right thing? Go down to Peru and beat the hell out of her son until he tells her what he did to Natalee and where her remains are. To do nothing means she is just as culpable as her murdering son. At some point G_d will turn his back on her and her whole generation.




I'm pretty sure Anita knows Joran would just lie to her as well as everybody else.  Besides, she has parties to attend!


 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 02, 2010, 06:07:40 PM
Sunday night's show on Youtube:

Part 1 of 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZeKZl6T6Kc
Part 2 of 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=705G6JJ_o9U
Part 3 of 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN2CvdCAExY
Part 4 of 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTH1K1xIS3U

Google translation:

Last Sunday (31-10-2010) told Beth on our program for the first time how hard extortion by Joran van der Sloot in his work is gone, and he's trying to extort $ 250,000. In return he promised to designate the place where he would have buried Natalee. Beth provided our program all e-mails Joran wrote to her. These give a shocking picture of the ruthless, calculating way he has the feelings of Natalee's distraught mother played. Peter Beth looked at her home in Birmingham in the U.S. state of Alabama.

Source: www.peterrdevries.nl


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 02, 2010, 06:30:52 PM
Did Beth say somewhere in the program with Peter, that they didn't believe Joran's story of Paulus
burying Natalee in the construction site, because they thought that he had put Natalee in the water?

Morning all! ::MonkeyJnBox::

I don't remember that Magnolia, but I'll go back and listen again when I can tonight to make sure.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 02, 2010, 06:47:42 PM
http://www.24ora.com/corte-mainmenu-29/23710-tai-foo-courtney-lee-condena-pa-posecion-di-arma.html

Papiamentu translation:

tai foo courtney lee condena before posecion by arm

tuesday, 02 november 2010 10:07

child by ex minister ramon lee, esta tai foo courtney lee owing to hear yesterday by corte superor cu the is wordo castiga at 3 moon by gaol condicional cu one time by proof by 2 year y also afl. 2500 at multa. the sentencia by corte superior owing to come after cu ministerio owing to apela the first sentencia, relaciona cu posecion ilegal by one arm by candela. but the decision by corte superior is practicamente same cu esun by corte in first instancia.

comentarionan (3) mustra/kita comentarionan come across...

scirbi before trompfjb, november 02, 2010
afl 2500 is one multa??? bleak before hear cu yui by ramon lee owing to attain only 3 moon by gaol voorwaardelijk. this is klasse justitie in optima form. everybody cu arm by candela have to go kia before at least 1 year. manner all another aruban cu comete the crimen here, because one criminal the is. that clase by jurisprudentie this is before casonan cu is go come. consider before hour police garabo cu arm by candela before thou father or mamma is member of parliament or minister. bleak. +1 come across...

scirbi before straightpoint, november 02, 2010
hour are you do bad, the is come bek pabo. then in the caso here in form multiple. life sweet owing to come to anend. 1. sit castigo by 3 moon. 2. one multa by 2500,00. but this do not all cos. the person here ta: 1. be alive in one cas by lotto before sport. 2. do not pay huur. 3. do not pay water. 4. do not pay coriente. 5. is core in car by lotto before sport. before colmo ela bay sconde the car by lotto before they not laydown sticker by lotto on the car. the person here her future relacion by job cu lotto before sport assure,no is brilliante more. +1 come across...

scirbi before mena, november 02, 2010
according i do not deal by the person here cu you is menciona. find out good that are you skibi. according i am one lady live rikamanete so. not cu i is cu the hendenan here. pace is one ten are you hear cu they're skibi cos left in 24ora. +1 come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 02, 2010, 06:50:54 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_80438.php

Google translation:

Schools closed as a precaution storm

November 2, 2010, 14:34 (GMT -04:00)

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(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/aua-voor-groot_008.gif)
 
ORANGE CITY - The government closed all schools this morning as a precaution for bad weather, which results from the passage of Tropical Storm Tomas along the ABC islands. Especially Curacao was much troubled because of excessive rainfall.

Premier Mike Eman (AVP) tonight had contact with Curaçao Prime Minister Gerrit Schotte. Early this morning he left on Canal to close 90 schools to know because according to the weather forecast was not clear whether the storm on the neighboring island of Aruba also would be taken. In the early morning hours went all the way down from the sky and there were significant rainfall. Of persistent rain, as in Curacao until the conclusion of this paper is the question. Tomas is located in the weather of eleven hours this morning north of Colombia and now pulls away from the ABC islands. "The presence of this weather system, however, argued persistently moist air so it will remain cloudy with scattered showers. Local rainfall can cause flooding and heavy again, "said the Meteorological Department.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 02, 2010, 07:11:57 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_80429.php

Google translation:

Hit & run driver caught

November 2, 2010, 14:23 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - The identity of the dead yesterday morning in Kamay ridden man is known. Yesterday afternoon, police spokesman John Larmonie made known that it is the 54-year-old Peruvian Francisco Vargas Machuca. The victim lived in Jaburibari but applied to a temporary home in Kamay. The identity of the driver who is suspected to have hit Machuca, then keep on driving, is known. The 38-year-old Colombian JCDR refused a breath test to do after he was arrested that morning in the North. He was transported to the emergency room of the hospital where he had to have blood shots in order to determine whether it is under the influence of alcohol, left this morning Larmonie spokesman for this newspaper.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 02, 2010, 07:16:21 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_80434.php

Google translation:

Wix and robbers lay in dispute

November 2, 2010, 14:25 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - Former press Judge Jos Roovers and attorney Ronald Wix have settled their dispute. Today they sent a joint press release in which they declared to have a conversation conducted to determine whether they could resolve their dispute.

The gentlemen explained "in detail" to have discussed the limits of freedom of expression. "That fundamental right is not simply about good taste," he admits Robbins. "It reaches so far that if necessary Wix his opinion on the ruling could give as he has done." Wix contrast regrets that he did the same context the statement that the ruling Robbins a preconceived goal would have given. "Wix impartiality of the court has no doubt want to Robbins," reads the statement. This is the disciplinary complaint dismissed, said the lords.

Robbins served in September a disciplinary complaint against Wix. The complaint was in response to remarks made by Wix on the verdict in the case of Robbins Lotto Pa Deporte against Endy Croes. Robbins also submitted his additional responsibilities, including those of people judge and president of the Foundation for Postgraduate Education Aruba, early disregarded. Wix, the former president of the Bar Association, responded angry about the verdict with the words of Robbins. He said "In all my years as a lawyer I have never seen such a sentence as this mess." Robbins found that this ruling "a line was crossed." Rudy Oomen, the current president of the Bar Association responded resented the statements of Wix. During the installation of three new judges the day after the awards, gave Oomen that criticism, even outside the courtroom, 'good' is. "But when that criticism is a smear campaign lit tone and the person of the judge is played, that gnaws at one of the cornerstones of the law and cross boundaries. We must accept it from anyone. Not politicians, but not lawyers. "


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on November 02, 2010, 07:50:53 PM
Sunday night's show on Youtube:

Part 1 of 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZeKZl6T6Kc
Part 2 of 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=705G6JJ_o9U
Part 3 of 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN2CvdCAExY
Part 4 of 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTH1K1xIS3U

Google translation:

Last Sunday (31-10-2010) told Beth on our program for the first time how hard extortion by Joran van der Sloot in his work is gone, and he's trying to extort $ 250,000. In return he promised to designate the place where he would have buried Natalee. Beth provided our program all e-mails Joran wrote to her. These give a shocking picture of the ruthless, calculating way he has the feelings of Natalee's distraught mother played. Peter Beth looked at her home in Birmingham in the U.S. state of Alabama.

Source: www.peterrdevries.nl

Thanks texasmom!  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 02, 2010, 08:49:18 PM
DON'T MISS THE DANA PRETZER SHOW TONIGHT AT 9PM ET:

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 02, 2010, 11:10:05 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_80438.php

Google translation:

Schools closed as a precaution storm

November 2, 2010, 14:34 (GMT -04:00)

Email this article 
Print this article 

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/aua-voor-groot_008.gif)
 
ORANGE CITY - The government closed all schools this morning as a precaution for bad weather, which results from the passage of Tropical Storm Tomas along the ABC islands. Especially Curacao was much troubled because of excessive rainfall.

Premier Mike Eman (AVP) tonight had contact with Curaçao Prime Minister Gerrit Schotte. Early this morning he left on Canal to close 90 schools to know because according to the weather forecast was not clear whether the storm on the neighboring island of Aruba also would be taken. In the early morning hours went all the way down from the sky and there were significant rainfall. Of persistent rain, as in Curacao until the conclusion of this paper is the question. Tomas is located in the weather of eleven hours this morning north of Colombia and now pulls away from the ABC islands. "The presence of this weather system, however, argued persistently moist air so it will remain cloudy with scattered showers. Local rainfall can cause flooding and heavy again, "said the Meteorological Department.
::MonkeyRain::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/album2/Images/305.zoom1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 03, 2010, 07:36:11 AM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)

Justice for Natalee...

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

and Stephany!   ::MonkeyJustice::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 03, 2010, 04:55:05 PM
 ::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 03, 2010, 05:02:17 PM
The beginning of the Peter Devries' interview with Beth Holloway regarding the extortion begins at 15:00.

I just listened to the entire interview again.  The implication is that a 22 year old young man is void of a conscience ... empathy.  When that enfamous photo of Paulus, Anita and baby Joran flashed across the screen ... the photo that reflects many in my own albums ... I cried.  When did it all go wrong?

Janet

+++++


Video

Beth Holloway and Peter Devries Interview
Part One - Extorion

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/het-gewetenloze-spel-van-joran-van-der-sloot/


zondag 31 oktober 2010, 22:45 uur
Archief, Uitzending
Het gewetenloze spel van Joran van der Sloot


Afgelopen zondag vertelde Beth Holloway in ons programma voor het eerst hoe de keiharde afpersing door Joran van der Sloot in zijn werk is gegaan, waarbij hij haar 250.000 dollar afhandig probeerde te maken. In ruil daarvoor beloofde hij de plek aan te wijzen waar hij Natalee zou hebben begraven. Beth verstrekte ons programma alle e-mails die Joran aan haar schreef. Deze geven een schokkend beeld van de nietsontziende, berekenende wijze waarop hij met de gevoelens van Natalee’s radeloze moeder speelde. Peter zocht Beth op in haar woonplaats Birmingham in de Amerikaanse staat Alabama.

In het tweede deel, dat zondag 7 november wordt uitgezonden, is te zien hoe Peter en Beth in het Zuid-Amerikaanse Peru een emotionele ontmoeting hebben met de broer van de vermoorde Stephany Flores. En na vijf jaar van ellende en onzekerheid, heeft Beth in de Castro Castro gevangenis in Lima voor het oog van onze camera’s ook een confrontatie met Joran. Zou Beth haar zenuwen in bedwang kunnen houden nu ze na vijf jaar de man die haar leven heeft verwoest zal ontmoeten? En hoe reageert Joran op deze onverwachte confrontatie?

Afpersing
De afpersingsaffaire begint in maart 2010, als de advocaat van Beth Holloway een e-mail ontvangt van Joran van der Sloot. Het is het begin van een wekenlange e-mailcorrespondentie. Waar Joran eerder in een interview beweerde dat hij door de familie van Natalee met e-mails werd bestookt, blijkt uit onze reportage juist het omgekeerde.


Beth en haar advocaat zijn in eerste instantie verbijsterd door de opstelling van Joran, maar besluiten het morbide spel mee te spelen om te zien wat hij precies beoogt. De tot wanhoop gedreven Beth, die er alles voor over heeft om haar dochter na vijf jaar eindelijk thuis te brengen, betaalt uiteindelijk een voorschot van 25.000 dollar. Maar de hoop dat er nu echt een einde wordt gemaakt aan het tergende mysterie dat Beth al zo lang kwelt, blijkt niets meer dan een gewetenloos spel van Joran te zijn.

FBI-onderzoek
Ons programma kreeg ook exclusief inzage in alle rapporten van de FBI, die onderzoek deed naar de afpersing en zorgde dat alles werd opgenomen. Uit de verslagen blijkt opnieuw de harteloosheid van Joran. Zonder blikken of blozen wijst Joran in het bijzijn van Beth haar advocaat John Kelly op Aruba de plek aan waar Natalee begraven zou liggen. Van der Sloot presenteert zelfs niemand minder dan zijn eigen vader, die op dat moment nog geen drie maanden overleden is, als mededader. Maar na enig onderzoek stellen de politie en de FBI tamelijk eenvoudig vast dat het verhaal van Joran niet kan kloppen. Joran is dan al lang en breed van Aruba verdwenen en zit met het geld van Beth in de casino’s van Lima.

Peru
Een week later wordt Joran verdacht van moord, als in zijn hotelkamer in Lima het Peruaanse meisje Stephany Flores om het leven wordt gebracht. Voor Beth zijn de gelijkenissen met de moord op haar eigen dochter nauwelijks te bevatten, zo vertelt de geëmotioneerde moeder in onze uitzending.

In het tweede deel van onze reportage ontdekken Peter en Beth dat Peru een land is van corruptie, geweld, vriendjespolitiek en afspraken die niet worden nagekomen. Toch weten ze in het geheim een confrontatie met Joran van der Sloot in de zwaar beveiligde Castro Castro gevangenis te regelen. In de Amerikaanse pers heeft dit bezoek al de headlines van het nieuws gehaald, maar beelden zijn er nog niet van uitgezonden. Eindelijk kan Beth de man die ze verantwoordelijk houdt voor de verdwijning van haar dochter en die haar op zo’n laaghartige wijze afperste, in de ogen kijken.

Ook keren Beth en Peter terug naar Aruba, om met eigen ogen te zien waar Joran Natalee zogenaamd zou hebben begraven. De plek waar Joran in een van zijn e-mails over schrijft dat hij er regelmatig zelf heenging om “zijn respect te betuigen” aan Natalee…

De eerste uitzending is tot zondag 7 november online te bekijken

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/het-gewetenloze-spel-van-joran-van-der-sloot/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 03, 2010, 05:08:54 PM
If Joran van der Sloot possessed a conscience ... if he felt empathy ...



Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 15
:  I'm glad I'm alone to recount the events that have brought me to this place on this morning, preparing to pack up and leave this house and Mountain Brook. Standing in the doorway of Natalee's room, I unwillingly step inside to the center of it, look around slowly, take it all in. In what feels like slow motion, I bend my knees until they touch the floor, rest my hands on the light cream-colored rug in front of me, and roll over onto my right side. Curling up in a fetal position, my head tucked down, arms crossing over my chest, I close my eyes again. And the cry I have fought off for almost two years finally comes. The final good-bye cry. And it comes hard. From somewhere deep, deep inside me. And it feels as if it will never stop. As if the pain can never be contained again.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 03, 2010, 09:16:55 PM
http://www.diario.aw/2010/11/30-ana-como-e-number-1/

(http://www.diario.aw/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/jossy_mansur_pic-286x300.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

30 year because the number 1!

publication: diaranson, 3 november 2010.

categoria: editorial, general

for by the instant cu the matutino here owing to see luz by day, past owing to acapara the posicion number 1 among all the medionan write, local y by exterior, y owing to mantene during 30 year! y not only esey, but cu by acuerdo cu we estadisticanan, cada year daily paper was aumenta her circulacion on the year anterior till arrive at the cifra record by 23.000 ehemplar before day! y the do not inclui the corant at english, aruba daily, because we do not manipula cu cifranan before aparenta cu we is more big by thing we is! we circulacion is fiho y creciendo keto bay!

daily paper owing to depart in the momentonan cu aruba was pasando in quite turbulencia; confrontacionnan politico was strong while the struggle before independencia was tumando lugar; betico was one by the apoyadornan more big by daily paper, y viceversa. together we owing to enfrenta enemigonan big by the cause, y at end owing to conquer because razon was at we near. at end, the netherlands owing to concede aruba the status aparte cu the have at present.

djey front, the crecimento by daily paper was vertiginoso. cu the mihor equipment by redaccion in entire the area here, we owing to impone one style by periodismo modern, optando before not sconde nothing before folk. kico cu was sosode cu was by her interest, we owing to cubri pe, y thing not was cumbini we island we owing to combati cu all we forza. is in the proceso ey cu daily paper, aruba y the folk by aruba owing to become uno, cu one sun aim we dilanti: the bienestar by we island y by her habitantenan.

all medio by comunicación is consisti by various departamento, y we have the suerte by can count ; cu will mihor disponible on one island so diminutive. today i am expresa my gratitud deep at all the personal by administracion, distribucion, impresion, photography, y mantenimento, apart from the another integrantenan by we empresa cu is ocupa funcionnan important in the aspecto global by we corant.

more cu nothing another, my be willing to agradece the folk generoso cu owing to apoya we for by one principio, y cu is follow sostene we incondicionalmente. is thanks at her lealtad we can owing to supera various obstaculo cu owing to being poni gratuitamente in we caminda. all the bad deseonan by nel oduber before come to anend cu daily paper, y by esnan cu past owing to influencia before follow her trayectoria by hate, owing to encounter cu the wall by boluntadnan cu not owing to allow neither person, y less still one mediocre manner nel, dicidi before they kico they can y kico they not can read. during ultimo eleccion, nel owing to bay so far by garantiza her hendenan cu the trip here if the is bay close daily paper, because the was confia in her victoria. but, the masa enormous by lectornan by daily paper owing to dicidi another. y behold we here, cumpliendo 30 year by existencia y bayendo before quite more!

before thing is we sponsernan, one thanks enfatico before they respaldo y they belief in we matutino. consciente cu thing depart in we paginanan is being read before more by 50 thousand lector, they're haci they inversionnan in propaganda where the have efecto y is rindi more, or as in daily paper. thanks by curazon!

after by owing to work tanto year together, is fair before my give one reconocimento personal at nilton, yubi, aureen, robbie y django, without neither menosprecio for her others. majority by they're cu my for by one principio. nilton, yubi, aureen y django have more cu 30 year near by my in the noble tarea by saca one matutino earnest y ecuanime, but also combativo hour the necesidad by hacie surgi. i am sintimi proud by is part by one equipment so talentoso, y is beseech ask god forza y boluntad before continua cu the tarea by informa we folk manner debt being by all the acontecimentonan cu is take lugar on we island.

thanks once more at all we lectornan, we sponsernan, we personal y we colaboradornan. god bendiciona we island y we folk!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 03, 2010, 09:23:06 PM
http://www.diario.aw/2010/11/casa-di-alex-mathew-ta-sinti-cu-abogadonan-ta-kita-di-caso-di-su-casa-pasobra-nan-ta-sinti-presion-di-o-m/

Papiamentu translation:

casa by alex mathew is feel cu abogadonan is take away by caso by her casa, because they're feel presion by o.m.

publication: diaranson, 3 november 2010.

categoria: judicial

*miles by dollar pay, after by cual abogadonan is bandona caso

oranjestad (aan): tuesday wife by alex mathew owing to be called daily paper, door by one preocupacion big cu the y her casa is feel actualmente. manner daily paper already come to anend owing to publica, mathew owing to worde acusa by traficacion human, relaciona cu personanan cu was work at the establecimento cu the was maneha esta foxy lady. always mathew owing to mantene her inocencia y past owing to busca one advocate before represente. her casa owing to be called daily paper y past owing to say cu cada vez cu mathew take one advocate, at dado instant the advocate is take away for by the caso.

past owing to say cu the y mathew owing to spend thousand by dollar pagando abogadonan y cada trip door by presion by part by ministerio publico, the advocate is take away her self for by the caso.

today self mathew have to present at corte before deal her detencion, but the ultimo advocate cu the was have owing to come to anend by take away by the caso, then the will have to bay without advocate.

casa by mathew owing to say daily paper cu the is wait for cu algo will can worde haci, because her casa is inocente y the have derecho manner all sospechoso, before attain good representacion in corte.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 03, 2010, 10:56:59 PM
I read a while back that Anita had copyrighted Joran's name.  Can't say for certain that is true,
but this sounds like it might be the case.

Van der Sloot suing for copyright invasion?

Birmingham, Al (WIAT) Copyright lawsuit? Joran van der Sloot "the brand?" One more legal battle on one more continent?

Joran van der Sloot faces murder charges in Peru in the death of Stephany Flores.

He's sitting in Lima's Castro Castro prison trying to get his murder confession thrown out of court claiming coercion and technical irregularities by police.

He faces U.S. federal indictment on charges of wire fraud and extortion from a grand jury here in Birmingham after allegedly trying to scam Natalee Holloway's family out of a quarter million dollars in exchange for information about the fate of the Mountain Brook teen last seen in van der Sloot's company on a 2005 graduation trip to Aruba.

He's reportedly under investigation in Thailand over an alleged sex trade ring to import women from Southeast Asia to Dutch brothels.

Given that caseload, it seems pretty mundane to dabble in copyright law. But the Dutch newspaper de Telegraaf reports that van der Sloot's family lawyer, Bert de Rooij, is looking at suing Dutch crime journalist Peter R. de Vries for violating van der Sloot's right to protect his image.

"The manifestations of a person are therefore protected, as someone else who used that infringes your copyright," De Rooij said in an interview. De Telegraaf also quoted him saying ""If there is an infringement then of course we consider a compensation."

The same article quotes De Vries as saying a lawsuit would be a good opportunity for Jan van der Sloot to explain his behavior in the Holloway case.

De Vries, who currently has a two part series on the Natalee Holloway case airing on Dutch network SBS6, has pursued van der Sloot for years. He's taped hidden camera "confessions" telling various stories about Natalee's fate..only to have van der Sloot later say he was lying or making up tales.

de Vries current television project includes Beth Holloway discussing the alleged extortion and de Vries website promises next Sunday's program will include hidden camera video of Beth Holloway confronting van der Sloot in his prison cell.

http://www.cbs42.com/mostpopular/story/Van-der-Sloot-suing-for-copyright-invasion/lVoOGczyEU-lUCTre-UJDg.cspx


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: msmarple on November 03, 2010, 11:31:14 PM
Good luck with that one.  ::MonkeyShovel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 03, 2010, 11:45:36 PM
Good luck with that one.  ::MonkeyShovel::

 ::MonkeyWink::   Protect what image?  'Of the ditch' is probably one of the better parts of it. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 04, 2010, 12:43:35 AM
Good luck with that one.  ::MonkeyShovel::

 ::MonkeyWink::   Protect what image?  'Of the ditch' is probably one of the better parts of it. 

Exactly!   ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Agraria on November 04, 2010, 12:59:38 AM
I read a while back that Anita had copyrighted Joran's name.  Can't say for certain that is true,
but this sounds like it might be the case.

Van der Sloot suing for copyright invasion?

Birmingham, Al (WIAT) Copyright lawsuit? Joran van der Sloot "the brand?" One more legal battle on one more continent?

Joran van der Sloot faces murder charges in Peru in the death of Stephany Flores.

He's sitting in Lima's Castro Castro prison trying to get his murder confession thrown out of court claiming coercion and technical irregularities by police.

He faces U.S. federal indictment on charges of wire fraud and extortion from a grand jury here in Birmingham after allegedly trying to scam Natalee Holloway's family out of a quarter million dollars in exchange for information about the fate of the Mountain Brook teen last seen in van der Sloot's company on a 2005 graduation trip to Aruba.

He's reportedly under investigation in Thailand over an alleged sex trade ring to import women from Southeast Asia to Dutch brothels.

Given that caseload, it seems pretty mundane to dabble in copyright law. But the Dutch newspaper de Telegraaf reports that van der Sloot's family lawyer, Bert de Rooij, is looking at suing Dutch crime journalist Peter R. de Vries for violating van der Sloot's right to protect his image.

"The manifestations of a person are therefore protected, as someone else who used that infringes your copyright," De Rooij said in an interview. De Telegraaf also quoted him saying ""If there is an infringement then of course we consider a compensation."

The same article quotes De Vries as saying a lawsuit would be a good opportunity for Jan van der Sloot to explain his behavior in the Holloway case.

De Vries, who currently has a two part series on the Natalee Holloway case airing on Dutch network SBS6, has pursued van der Sloot for years. He's taped hidden camera "confessions" telling various stories about Natalee's fate..only to have van der Sloot later say he was lying or making up tales.

de Vries current television project includes Beth Holloway discussing the alleged extortion and de Vries website promises next Sunday's program will include hidden camera video of Beth Holloway confronting van der Sloot in his prison cell.

http://www.cbs42.com/mostpopular/story/Van-der-Sloot-suing-for-copyright-invasion/lVoOGczyEU-lUCTre-UJDg.cspx

REALLLLYYY?  If that is true, I suggest Anita just use a symbol for his name as he is so very famous.....(kind of like Prince....LOL)
And I have an idea for the perfect symbol to use!!!!!! ::MonkeyDevil::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: billb's daughter on November 04, 2010, 01:45:41 AM
josey mansewer....at  the end of the day...
feinted hope that aruba  would bring Justice for Natalee....
Never happened....josey mansewer supported the dis-information machine.... ::MonkeyNoNo::
son mansewer on persistence is only one example.... ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: billb's daughter on November 04, 2010, 01:48:24 AM
Beth is a class act......my heart goes out to her and Dave and their family and friends...
Natalee never had a chance.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 04, 2010, 02:10:16 AM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6341.0

DANA PRETZER SHOW FEB 13, 2008 WITH BETH HOLLOWAY, PETER R. DEVRIES, AND MORE!

snipped

Dana:  I’m going to throw out some names to you and I know you’ve done this line of questioning before from other show hosts but I’m curious to see what you have to say.  When I mention the name Jossy Mansur...

Beth:  Oh absolutely heroic, what a man, what a father, what a husband he is too... I mean my goodness.  What a business man he is...integrity.  And you know I will stand by Jossy because this is an individual that stepped forward for me, for human rights, and for justice.  And gosh what he did for me was he took such a burden off of me during the month of July of 05 when I felt as if I was kind of out there on the forefront by myself going against these perpetrators until Jossy Mansur stepped forward I felt like I had no other ally.  So you know he did the most amazing thing, and he went out on a limb and he you know for no reason other than doing the right thing and as I said being about professionalism, integrity, and respect for others human rights so absolutely what an amazing man. 

snipped


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 04, 2010, 02:13:06 AM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)

Justice for Natalee...

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

and Stephany!   ::MonkeyJustice::

::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Jonathan45 on November 04, 2010, 04:15:08 AM
The beginning of the Peter Devries' interview with Beth Holloway regarding the extortion begins at 15:00.

I just listened to the entire interview again.  The implication is that a 22 year old young man is void of a conscience ... empathy.  When that enfamous photo of Paulus, Anita and baby Joran flashed across the screen ... the photo that reflects many in my own albums ... I cried.  When did it all go wrong?

Janet

+++++


Video

Beth Holloway and Peter Devries Interview
Part One - Extorion

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/het-gewetenloze-spel-van-joran-van-der-sloot/


zondag 31 oktober 2010, 22:45 uur
Archief, Uitzending
Het gewetenloze spel van Joran van der Sloot


Afgelopen zondag vertelde Beth Holloway in ons programma voor het eerst hoe de keiharde afpersing door Joran van der Sloot in zijn werk is gegaan, waarbij hij haar 250.000 dollar afhandig probeerde te maken. In ruil daarvoor beloofde hij de plek aan te wijzen waar hij Natalee zou hebben begraven. Beth verstrekte ons programma alle e-mails die Joran aan haar schreef. Deze geven een schokkend beeld van de nietsontziende, berekenende wijze waarop hij met de gevoelens van Natalee’s radeloze moeder speelde. Peter zocht Beth op in haar woonplaats Birmingham in de Amerikaanse staat Alabama.

In het tweede deel, dat zondag 7 november wordt uitgezonden, is te zien hoe Peter en Beth in het Zuid-Amerikaanse Peru een emotionele ontmoeting hebben met de broer van de vermoorde Stephany Flores. En na vijf jaar van ellende en onzekerheid, heeft Beth in de Castro Castro gevangenis in Lima voor het oog van onze camera’s ook een confrontatie met Joran. Zou Beth haar zenuwen in bedwang kunnen houden nu ze na vijf jaar de man die haar leven heeft verwoest zal ontmoeten? En hoe reageert Joran op deze onverwachte confrontatie?

Afpersing
De afpersingsaffaire begint in maart 2010, als de advocaat van Beth Holloway een e-mail ontvangt van Joran van der Sloot. Het is het begin van een wekenlange e-mailcorrespondentie. Waar Joran eerder in een interview beweerde dat hij door de familie van Natalee met e-mails werd bestookt, blijkt uit onze reportage juist het omgekeerde.


Beth en haar advocaat zijn in eerste instantie verbijsterd door de opstelling van Joran, maar besluiten het morbide spel mee te spelen om te zien wat hij precies beoogt. De tot wanhoop gedreven Beth, die er alles voor over heeft om haar dochter na vijf jaar eindelijk thuis te brengen, betaalt uiteindelijk een voorschot van 25.000 dollar. Maar de hoop dat er nu echt een einde wordt gemaakt aan het tergende mysterie dat Beth al zo lang kwelt, blijkt niets meer dan een gewetenloos spel van Joran te zijn.

FBI-onderzoek
Ons programma kreeg ook exclusief inzage in alle rapporten van de FBI, die onderzoek deed naar de afpersing en zorgde dat alles werd opgenomen. Uit de verslagen blijkt opnieuw de harteloosheid van Joran. Zonder blikken of blozen wijst Joran in het bijzijn van Beth haar advocaat John Kelly op Aruba de plek aan waar Natalee begraven zou liggen. Van der Sloot presenteert zelfs niemand minder dan zijn eigen vader, die op dat moment nog geen drie maanden overleden is, als mededader. Maar na enig onderzoek stellen de politie en de FBI tamelijk eenvoudig vast dat het verhaal van Joran niet kan kloppen. Joran is dan al lang en breed van Aruba verdwenen en zit met het geld van Beth in de casino’s van Lima.

Peru
Een week later wordt Joran verdacht van moord, als in zijn hotelkamer in Lima het Peruaanse meisje Stephany Flores om het leven wordt gebracht. Voor Beth zijn de gelijkenissen met de moord op haar eigen dochter nauwelijks te bevatten, zo vertelt de geëmotioneerde moeder in onze uitzending.

In het tweede deel van onze reportage ontdekken Peter en Beth dat Peru een land is van corruptie, geweld, vriendjespolitiek en afspraken die niet worden nagekomen. Toch weten ze in het geheim een confrontatie met Joran van der Sloot in de zwaar beveiligde Castro Castro gevangenis te regelen. In de Amerikaanse pers heeft dit bezoek al de headlines van het nieuws gehaald, maar beelden zijn er nog niet van uitgezonden. Eindelijk kan Beth de man die ze verantwoordelijk houdt voor de verdwijning van haar dochter en die haar op zo’n laaghartige wijze afperste, in de ogen kijken.

Ook keren Beth en Peter terug naar Aruba, om met eigen ogen te zien waar Joran Natalee zogenaamd zou hebben begraven. De plek waar Joran in een van zijn e-mails over schrijft dat hij er regelmatig zelf heenging om “zijn respect te betuigen” aan Natalee…

De eerste uitzending is tot zondag 7 november online te bekijken

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/het-gewetenloze-spel-van-joran-van-der-sloot/


It wouldn't surprise me that this sentence in an email to Beth is close to the truth. I am not speaking about 'respect to Natalee' but about the burial spot.
After Paulus died Joran came back to Aruba, where he also visited soccergames on the new soccerfield close to the VDSresidence.
In my 'bike'scenario this fenced field, which already was under construction in 2005, is as a possible burial spot number one in this unsolved case.
I am still waiting for the cadaverdogs and the groudradar to search that area.

  ::MonkeyBike::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: San on November 04, 2010, 02:09:42 PM
I read a while back that Anita had copyrighted Joran's name.  Can't say for certain that is true,
but this sounds like it might be the case.

Van der Sloot suing for copyright invasion?

Birmingham, Al (WIAT) Copyright lawsuit? Joran van der Sloot "the brand?" One more legal battle on one more continent?

Joran van der Sloot faces murder charges in Peru in the death of Stephany Flores.

He's sitting in Lima's Castro Castro prison trying to get his murder confession thrown out of court claiming coercion and technical irregularities by police.

He faces U.S. federal indictment on charges of wire fraud and extortion from a grand jury here in Birmingham after allegedly trying to scam Natalee Holloway's family out of a quarter million dollars in exchange for information about the fate of the Mountain Brook teen last seen in van der Sloot's company on a 2005 graduation trip to Aruba.

He's reportedly under investigation in Thailand over an alleged sex trade ring to import women from Southeast Asia to Dutch brothels.

Given that caseload, it seems pretty mundane to dabble in copyright law. But the Dutch newspaper de Telegraaf reports that van der Sloot's family lawyer, Bert de Rooij, is looking at suing Dutch crime journalist Peter R. de Vries for violating van der Sloot's right to protect his image.

"The manifestations of a person are therefore protected, as someone else who used that infringes your copyright," De Rooij said in an interview. De Telegraaf also quoted him saying ""If there is an infringement then of course we consider a compensation."

The same article quotes De Vries as saying a lawsuit would be a good opportunity for Jan van der Sloot to explain his behavior in the Holloway case.

De Vries, who currently has a two part series on the Natalee Holloway case airing on Dutch network SBS6, has pursued van der Sloot for years. He's taped hidden camera "confessions" telling various stories about Natalee's fate..only to have van der Sloot later say he was lying or making up tales.

de Vries current television project includes Beth Holloway discussing the alleged extortion and de Vries website promises next Sunday's program will include hidden camera video of Beth Holloway confronting van der Sloot in his prison cell.

http://www.cbs42.com/mostpopular/story/Van-der-Sloot-suing-for-copyright-invasion/lVoOGczyEU-lUCTre-UJDg.cspx

Can you picture Joran's next get out of jail card free.  Listen Judge I have to go home and testify in a case where I can potentially make a lot off money of my name.  So you have to have the Peruvian government fly me home with a police escort of course and defend myself and then I promise I will come back to this lovely country where the food is fabulous and the room with a view is just beautiful.  :roll:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 04, 2010, 02:17:52 PM
Who Can We Trust?

Page 182:  Helen is very positive.  "It looks good that they will remain in custody" she says.  Then just three hours after she tells me this encouraging news, a devastating call comes from an AP reporter.  Paulus van der Sloot and his attorney are bragging to everyone that all three suspects are getting out day after tomorrow!.  Then all the media start calling.  I call Helen, then FBI agent Bill and the U.S. vice-consul.  None of them have this information. So we tell the media it must be a rumor.  But the word is out all over the island from the defense side that all three suspects will walk.  Four and a half hours after this announcement is made to international media by Joran's father and his defense team, the FBI calls to tell me that it is indeed true.  So the three suspects who were last seen with my daughter, and who offered multiple versions of what happened that night, will go free.  And we are the last ones to find out.

Page 185:  The island authorities originally planned to release the three suspects at two o-clock in the morning on Saturday, September 3.  The Strategic Communications Task Force undoubtedly helped them make a less conspicuous move and release them in the afternoon instead.  Curious to see the setup at the van der Sloot house for Joran's parade of victory, I drive by there, never in a million years expecting to see who is there.  It's the U.S. vice-consul.  At the van der Sloots' house.  Why is she here?   She spots me.  Jumps in her car and follows me to a resturant parking lot, waving, honking, calling on the cell phone.  I don't want to talk to her.  Who can we trust?

Page 189:   It's the proverbial, Biblical conflict between good and evil.  It's very, very hard to fight evil because it constantly changes form and you never know who your enemies are.  And evil is always two steps ahead.  From the outset we never had a chance.  But we didn't know it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 04, 2010, 02:18:47 PM
I read a while back that Anita had copyrighted Joran's name.  Can't say for certain that is true,
but this sounds like it might be the case.

Van der Sloot suing for copyright invasion?

Birmingham, Al (WIAT) Copyright lawsuit? Joran van der Sloot "the brand?" One more legal battle on one more continent?

Joran van der Sloot faces murder charges in Peru in the death of Stephany Flores.

He's sitting in Lima's Castro Castro prison trying to get his murder confession thrown out of court claiming coercion and technical irregularities by police.

He faces U.S. federal indictment on charges of wire fraud and extortion from a grand jury here in Birmingham after allegedly trying to scam Natalee Holloway's family out of a quarter million dollars in exchange for information about the fate of the Mountain Brook teen last seen in van der Sloot's company on a 2005 graduation trip to Aruba.

He's reportedly under investigation in Thailand over an alleged sex trade ring to import women from Southeast Asia to Dutch brothels.

Given that caseload, it seems pretty mundane to dabble in copyright law. But the Dutch newspaper de Telegraaf reports that van der Sloot's family lawyer, Bert de Rooij, is looking at suing Dutch crime journalist Peter R. de Vries for violating van der Sloot's right to protect his image.

"The manifestations of a person are therefore protected, as someone else who used that infringes your copyright," De Rooij said in an interview. De Telegraaf also quoted him saying ""If there is an infringement then of course we consider a compensation."

The same article quotes De Vries as saying a lawsuit would be a good opportunity for Jan van der Sloot to explain his behavior in the Holloway case.

De Vries, who currently has a two part series on the Natalee Holloway case airing on Dutch network SBS6, has pursued van der Sloot for years. He's taped hidden camera "confessions" telling various stories about Natalee's fate..only to have van der Sloot later say he was lying or making up tales.

de Vries current television project includes Beth Holloway discussing the alleged extortion and de Vries website promises next Sunday's program will include hidden camera video of Beth Holloway confronting van der Sloot in his prison cell.

http://www.cbs42.com/mostpopular/story/Van-der-Sloot-suing-for-copyright-invasion/lVoOGczyEU-lUCTre-UJDg.cspx

Can you picture Joran's next get out of jail card free.  Listen Judge I have to go home and testify in a case where I can potentially make a lot off money of my name.  So you have to have the Peruvian government fly me home with a police escort of course and defend myself and then I promise I will come back to this lovely country where the food is fabulous and the room with a view is just beautiful.  :roll:

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 04, 2010, 03:28:39 PM
josey mansewer....at  the end of the day...
feinted hope that aruba  would bring Justice for Natalee....
Never happened....josey mansewer supported the dis-information machine.... ::MonkeyNoNo::
son mansewer on persistence is only one example.... ::MonkeyNoNo::

Bill

Although I will never comprehend Diario's "Woman of the Year" award for Karin Janssen ... I do believe that Jossy was originally on the side of justice for Natalee Holloway.  Was support politically motivated?  I don't know.  However ... I do know that Diario's reporting of the corrupt Aruban investigation almost resulted in it's demise.

However ... something akin to Tim Miller ... along the way a change in Jossy Mansur's position was detected.  Jossy and Tim were this close in the Persistence distraction regarding all the happenings encompassing the pond witness.  Were they both deceived?  I don't think so.

Eduardo Mansur ... Jossy's son ... was a constant presence on board the Persistence yet ... both Eduardo and his father are silent in regards the John Silvetti's betrayal of Natalee Holloway and her family  ... the betrayal revealed in Kyle Kingman's own words.

Janet

++++++

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
  We're close to finding the Dirty Hand and a major leak plaguing the investigation. I believe they're linked. I'm assuming Caps isn't deep inside ALE, but do we know that he isn't? We need to figure out who Cap's source is and what he does. Can we confirm Destiny's source is a Dairio reporter? If so, do we know who this would be? Could it be Eduardo Mansur???

Kermit - Scared Monkeys


Klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
« Reply #173 on: January 04, 2009, 02:37:49 PM »


Hotshot just emailed this to me from Jossy.  Hotshot is having problems logging in, I have no idea why as she is not banned. 

Quote
From Jossy:

No, my son was not on the dive team, but he was on board the ship every day. What he told me is that the cage is of an industrial type and not similar to the one that went missing the same morning Natalee disappeared. The ship did map a vast area and was able to pinpoint close to 100 items of interest on the bottom of the ocean along the coast. Just when they were about to examine them, they ran out of money because it is an expensive venture.

Take care
 
Jossy

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg611967#msg611967


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 04, 2010, 05:08:52 PM
KARIN JANSSEN

Jossy Mansur

Karin Janssen named Woman of the Year
DIARIO Aruba
12/01/2005


ORANJESTAD (AAN)

DIARIO’s Woman of the Year for this year is Karin P. J. Janssen who is chief prosecutor for the Public Ministry.

The reason Mrs. Karin Janssen was selected as Woman of the Year is for the work conducted during this year, but especially for the firm position she too un a case that has surely had a big impact on Aruba and internationally, the case of the missing American woman called Natalee.

It is known that Karin Janssen was and still is the chief of the investigation into the controversial case of Natalee’s disappearance.

There is much pressure on chief prosecutor, from the outside and even within the Public Ministry related to the case in question and she passed very difficult moments where even the government wanted to remove her.

Chief prosecutor Janssen worked hard alongside police to hand over proof on the case of Natalee and although on all sides they encountered many obstacles, they did not lose patience and continued working hard to solve a great problem in which the people of Aruba are not at fault.

None of the negative developments nor the great pressure have made this lady succumb and she has fostered respect and shown great courage.

Once again, a woman in a key position demonstrates that they can maintain a cool head and continue ahead to do their duty and their professional obligation, like Mrs. Karin Janssen has shown during the year.

Posted by Getagrip

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_11_27_archive.html


Jug Twitty

'On the Record with w/ Greta' - September 28, 2005

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: The two of you got into it a little bit on the 28th, and she’s cut you off. But when she met with Dave, Natalee’s father, for four hours, did she talk about the investigation for Natalee, or did it go off on collateral issues?

JUG TWITTY, NATALEE'S STEPFATHER: No. She talked about the issues as far as Natalee, you know, having problems with her family with Beth and I or with her father, or whatever. Of course, all this stuff was talked about way early on in the investigation. She talked about $1 million life insurance policy on Natalee, which is just crazy. She talked about my brother being in the banking business, being in money laundering. And I mean, I just don’t know where this stuff’s coming from, Greta. It’s like she’s not even trying to find out the answers, she’s trying to find out everything, you know, that could be wrong, as far as our family goes. You know, it drives me crazy.

... Yes, she basically tells me, you know, this is the same thing as Van Der Straaten. You know, you keep acting like this, Mr. Twitty, you know, we’re going to quit. And you know, I said, Well, that’s a great attitude to have.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,170678,00.html


Dave Holloway

'On the Record w/Greta' - November 11, 2005

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE'S FATHER:  One of the things I really had a concern with was the FBI was contacted and the FBI wanted to come to the island. The FBI wanted to get involved due to the fact that we had an American citizen missing on their island. I recently found out that the decision was made by the prosecutor and the police department to not allow the FBI to become involved as they should.



KARIN JANSSEN
Woman of the Year or Disgrace to her Profession?


http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/2007/08/karin-janssen.html
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=615.msg271812;topicseen#msg271812


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 04, 2010, 06:32:13 PM
The following quotes are the words spoken by a man who appears to be on the side of justice prevailing for Natalee Holloway.  He had to have been a thorn in the side of the Paulus, Joran, Deepak and Satish as well as those behind the established cover up agenda.

Janet

++++++++


Jossy Mansur

'Scarborough Country' for August 26
updated 12:49 p.m. PT, Mon., Aug. 29, 2005


LISA DANIELS, GUEST HOST:  It definitely smells that way.  You know, if you take the prosecution‘s statement at its face, we are talking on a whole new level, the charges here.  We are talking about drugs.  We are talking about rape and we are talking about rape of many different people.  There are four guys now in custody, four best friends.  What does that tell you?
 
JOSSY MANSUR, EDITOR, “DIARIO”:  Well, what it tells me is that, really, these four guys are friends.  They belong to the same group, these party boys that go out and prey on young, unsuspected girls or other kinds of girls also that are out to have a good time, not suspecting what they‘re in for with these predators around.

And they are—they not only appear in photographs together, but I understand that Freddy lives very near to the Joran house.  So, there is a bond between them.  There is a group that they call themselves the pimps, in which all of these participate.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9119491/


Diario - August 23, 2005
More Alleged Victims Come Forward against Joran


ORANJESTAD (AAN) — Last night on The O’Reilly Factor of Fox one could hear how the parents of an American girl (today 18 years old) who was a girlfriend of Joran three years ago and this family is convinced that Joran van der Sloot is innocent in the case of the disappearance of Natalee. It was mentioned that the youngsters met each other at a pool of a hotel where the family would have had a Timeshare, how Joran visited the family in the states and how he had contact with the girl via E-mail until recently.
 
This is contrary to what also reached the editorial desk, indicating that there is a girl of 17 years old who apparently will press charges against Joran to the authorities for rape. According to this information that reached our editorial desks, apparently there are 3 girls who want to press charges, but that two of them have not yet decided, but that the other does have the intention of pressing charges soon.
 
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/08/23/diario-more-alleged-victims-come-forward-against-joran/


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Feb. 16
updated 2/17/2006 4:14:20 PM ET 2006-02-17T21:14:20

 
JOSSY MANSUR, MANAGING EDITOR, “DIARIO”: We know that that early morning, they (Kalpoes) went into a total clean-up of the car. Witnesses, neighbors that live close to them testified to that. So the clean-up did take place.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11413381/


NANCY GRACE
Latest in Search for Natalee Holloway
Aired October 4, 2005 - 20:00:00 ET


NANCY GRACE, HOST: … Jossy, regarding the connection, what I perceived to be a close connection between the judge, Paulus Van Der Sloot and the retired chief of police who initially handled Natalee`s case, Van Der Stratten, were they friends?

JOSSY MANSUR, MANAGING EDITOR, "EL DIARIO": Of course, they were friends. It stands to reason they were friends because Paul Van Der Sloot had many friends within the police department; he had many friends within the Department of Justice. And he had many friends with -- and he was friendly with all the judges in Aruba. He worked out of the same office as they did and did the same work.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/04/ng.01.html


DANA PRETZER
December 14, 2006


DANA: When you look at this case, a question keeps coming up. I am looking at the picture on my PC. It is the alleged picture of a person in the casino with Natalee that looks a lot like Paul. Has there been any update on this issue?

JOSSY: There have not been any change of opinion. People, including people in the casino say that is Paul.

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2006/12/14/the-dana-pretzer-show-december-14th-2006-jossy-mansur/


DANA PRETZER
June 18, 2006


JOSSY: It does look very familiar to what she was wearing, but I'm unable to confirm it, we would have to go search for the fabric itself which has disappeared since. Every piece of evidence or what appears to be evidence has disappeared or we never heard about it again.


DANA PRETZER
October 5, 2007


JOSSY: People thought Beth caused bad publicity for the island, but Beth is not at fault, it is the three suspects. If there's damage to the island it should be on the shoulders of the three suspects.

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2007/10/05/the-dana-pretzer-show-live-friday-october-5-2007-guests-include-jossy-mansur-and-ken-shepherd/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 04, 2010, 08:28:11 PM
I think Carolina Murillo is the mother of Stephany van Gijn, Sander Gottenbos' current girlfriend.  If I understand it correctly this article is commemorating her 10 years of service to Red Sail Sports.

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/23856-carolina-murillo-celebrando-diez-ana-trahando-na-red-sail-sports.html

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Gottenbos/11042010_24ora_CarolinaMurillo_RedSailSports-1.jpg)

Spanish translation:

Carolina Murillo celebrating ten bata na trahan Red Sail Sports      

Thursday, 04 November 2010 17:32

Di october 16th last, Carolina Murillo to remember ten ta cu cu bata passes and the service Drent di Red Sail Sports. Ta Carolina trabao as exercising their supervisor gave us retail store. Pa 8 Ana and the retail store directed and RSS di pa den Confetti Hyatt and then give Seaport Mall and we Awor e ta oversees retail store prestigious "Island Life" na Marriott Ocean Club.

Carolina a great personality tin ora di jega na na clientenan serves. His kindness and his broad knowledge Producton di na ta tur highlights yp'esei time and Hopi tambe ta den e admired and respected company. His attention Tay den pa dune di service quality di na ta huespednan we applauded. As a professional interior tambe den, Carolina di sa cu semper tiendanan decorates a toke di elegance and perfection.

Red Sail Sports Hopi ta cu happy and thanked him ta parti di a team we yp'esei month we gradiciele pa ta for his dedication and last Añana and what ta spera cu e cu compliance but we Añana Hopi.

Den di company Tep v / d Heuvel, Retail Manager, Juan Carlos Garcia, Retail Asst. Manager, Peter de Hoop, and Erlinda Leysner Director, HR Manager, a plakaat and e tambe cu a Bunite Regaldo envelope to be delivered na Carolina.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Gottenbos/11042010_24ora_CarolinaMurillo_RedSailSports2.jpg)

www.facebook.com

These are from Sander's facebook pages this summer, that are now private.   ::MonkeyWink::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Gottenbos/Gottenbos_2010_CarolinaMurilloStephanyvanGijnSanderGottenbos.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Gottenbos/Gottenbos_2010_CarolinaMurillo1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Gottenbos/Gottenbos_2010_CarolinaMurillo2.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on November 04, 2010, 09:51:16 PM
Noticing the domed camera port in the upper right hand corner of the kitchen ceiling (last picture).


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 05, 2010, 12:31:02 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)

Justice for Natalee...

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

and Stephany!   ::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 05, 2010, 09:36:16 AM
Noticing the domed camera port in the upper right hand corner of the kitchen ceiling (last picture).
Good eye Muffy

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/Gottenbos_2010_CarolinaMurillo2.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/GottenbosKitchenCamera.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on November 05, 2010, 12:00:44 PM
Cruise itineraries affected by Hurricane Tomas

<snipped>


These cruise ship itinerary changes have been announced:

• Serenade of the Seas departed from San Juan for a Southern Caribbean cruise on Sunday, and rather than calling on Curacao, Aruba and Dominica, the ship will now visit Barbados, Antigua, St. Maarten and St. Thomas.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/11/05/1910081/cruise-itineraries-affected-by.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 05, 2010, 12:09:09 PM
  
 Post subject: Re: Any hurricane updates??Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 9:43 am  
 
ARCHER5X  
Prolific
 

Joined: Wed Nov 09, 2005 6:28 pm
Posts: 208
Location: Pittsburgh, Pa.  Currently heavy rain, high winds and very low visibility and heavy surf at Casa del Mar. Normal street flooding.......

 http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=81417
 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 05, 2010, 12:27:41 PM
At that same bulletin board there is a thread with interesting info on the casino operations at the Westin, Occidental and Radisson. 

http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=81364


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 05, 2010, 12:55:22 PM
At that same bulletin board there is a thread with interesting info on the casino operations at the Westin, Occidental and Radisson. 

http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=81364

I was reading that yesterday.  Guess there are basically no rules or regulations followed in Aruba  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Kermit on November 05, 2010, 01:07:06 PM
ENTERTAINMENT TONIGHT will air Beth meeting Joran in Castro Castro prison


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Kermit on November 05, 2010, 01:07:58 PM
(http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/2614/magazinesatgrottenbrosh.jpg)


Inside Tennis
about the US Open

Herrington Catalog
(http://www.catalogs.com/img/covers/full/cov_herrington01-08.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Kermit on November 05, 2010, 01:08:42 PM
ENTERTAINMENT TONIGHT will air Beth meeting Joran in Castro Castro prison

That's tonight on 'Entertainment Tonight'


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 05, 2010, 01:21:13 PM
ENTERTAINMENT TONIGHT will air Beth meeting Joran in Castro Castro prison

That's tonight on 'Entertainment Tonight'

Ribbit

I don't get 'Entertainment Tonight'.  I hope "Castro Castro" portion of the Beth Holloway interview will be posted on Peter Devries' webside.

Janet

++++++

PART ONE

Video - Beth Hollowa and Peter Devries - Extortion
Sunday, October 31, 2010


http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/het-gewetenloze-spel-van-joran-van-der-sloot/
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 05, 2010, 01:50:04 PM
At that same bulletin board there is a thread with interesting info on the casino operations at the Westin, Occidental and Radisson. 

http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=81364

I was reading that yesterday.  Guess there are basically no rules or regulations followed in Aruba  ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Jossy Mansur - DANA PRETZER - July 23, 2007

DANA: One thing that makes my listeners scratch their heads so to speak and wonder, myself included and we'll talk about it again, is the fact of the underage drinking and gambling that had been going on admittedly by young van der Sloot.  Was there ever any discussion or has there ever been any discussion at least of filing some charges as far as that goes?

JOSSY:  No, there hasn't been any of that. The authorities have just (inaudible) it aside, they haven't paid any attention to it then and they're not paying any attention to it now and over the past 26 months.    I haven't seen anything in the direction of trying to make some kind of statement that this is not (inaudiable) at least make some sort of a statement that this is not (inaubible) because it is a known fact that as an underage he wasn't supposed to be in the casino, much less in the company of his father. He was there, there are video tapes to prove that and still the authorities haven't done anything with regard to that specific case.

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2007/07/23/the-dana-pretzer-show-monday-july-23rd-2007-special-guests-larry-sinclair-jossy-mansur-ladonna-meredith-attorney-jay-paul-deratany/


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for April 3
updated 8:24 a.m. PT, Tues., April. 4, 2006


JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: Well, if you look at the surveillance video footage, it appears that he’s the one sitting directly next to her and tries to engage her in conversation a couple of times.  And it’s sort of ironic that it’s his father who brought his underage son to a casino and left him there after he left, with access to his line of credit, to put this unfortunate chain of events in process.

You know, if Joran had never been there, not been allowed in there, because he’s underage and wasn’t accompanied by his father, the whole rest of the night wouldn’t have happened.

COSBY: You know, and, John, also, why would that be a significant—why is that in conflict to something else we’ve heard maybe from Paulus before?

KELLY: Well, he’s just claiming that, you know, he’s kept an eye on his son, you know, he’s kept him on a short leash, and, you know, his son is very well-behaved. And it turns out that he’s, you know, got him at casinos.  If you’re under 18, you’re not legally even allowed in casinos[, so his son was breaking the law with him enabling it.
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12150698/



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 05, 2010, 02:01:07 PM
If an underage Joran had not been permitted on the premises of the Excelsior Casino and Carlos and Charlies ... Natalee Holloway would have been with her friends on the flight home to Alabama ... to her family ... on the morning of May 30, 2005.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 05, 2010, 02:13:07 PM
Jossy Mansur casts blame on the then administration of Nel Oduber for the lack of progress in the Natalee Holloway investigation but appears to uphold Karen Janssen and Jan vander Straaten.

Janet

+++++++

Jossy Mansur

Diario Editorial: A TRAITOR AND HIS ANTI-ARUBAN GOVERNMENT … Anti-American too
Posted April 16, 2007 by Scared Monkeys


“What did Nel’s government do in the case of Natalee? Hide their heads in a hole like ostriches so as not to see the truth of what was happening, try to fire Jan and Karin because they did not belong to the group of political yes-men of his government; put the interest for American tourism money above the value of a human life; try to throw the blame on the family of the girl that disappeared, instead of going all-out against the three suspects who are responsible for the bad name Aruba got in other countries …”

We can no longer say that! Now our island has become, in the hands of Nel Oduber and his anti-Aruban and anti-American government, an island of the abuse of power, of nepotism, of favors to the small group of privileged MEP fanatics, and political persecution against the rest of the population that do not subject themselves to his amens!

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/04/16/diario-editorial-a-traitor-and-his-anti-aruban-government-anti-american-too/


Beth Holloway
 
Dana Pretzer - February 13, 2008

Jan van der Stratten is corrupt to the core of his existence.  He just doesn't deserve any more words..

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2008/02/13/scared-monkeys-radio-daily-commentary-wednesday-february-13-2008-tonights-dana-pretzer-show-to-be-one-of-the-hardest-hitting-shows-to-date/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 05, 2010, 02:46:21 PM
The saga continues ...

Prime Minister Nelson Oduber attempted to silence Diario ... silence Jossy Mansur.  Considering that Diario was the only Aruban publication that was a voice for an Alabama student who went missing on the Island ... it was fortunate that Oduber was unsuccessful.

Janet

+++++


Amigoe, April 4, 2007: Diario turns to Queen

ORANJESTAD - In an open letter, staff and management of the morning paper Diario have asked the Queen’s attention for the commercial boycott called by the MEP and her leader, Prime Minister Nelson Oduber.

MEP demanded the owner and also director and chief editor Jossy Mansur to publicly apologize to MEP and premier Oduber for all the articles he has published with the intention to damage the reputation of the government and MEP. Mansur has till last Monday to do this, otherwise, the MEP will announce a boycott against Diario.

Since Mansur ignored MEP’s ultimatum, the party decided on a total boycott of the newspaper. No information must be given to Diario. MEP-member had to cancel their subscription as per immediate.. They are also not allowed to buy the paper separately. They cannot place ads in the Diario That’s the reason for Diario’s letter to the Queen. He expressed his concern in this letter and asks the Queen to ’safeguard our constitutional rights’.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/04/06/aruba-hypocrites-mep-oduber-call-for-call-for-boycott-of-diario/


Amigoe, June 29, 2007: Oduber looses case against Diario

Oduber's reaction is that he will not appeal.  “I have lost enough time in this case already. It has become clear to me that everybody can publish anything they want about the government, and not be prosecuted. We have actually been outlawed.”

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/fun-images/Amigoe_062807a.jpg

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/06/29/aruban-prime-minister-in-defeat-still-does-not-understand-freedom-of-the-press-oduber-loses-to-diario/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 05, 2010, 02:54:24 PM
http://www.etonline.com/news/102570_EXCLUSIVE_Natalee_Holloway_s_Mother_Face_to_Face_with_Joran_van_der_Sloot/

(http://www.etonline.com/media/photo/beth_halloway_joran_van_der_sloot_003_640x380.jpg)

November 05, 2010

In an ET exclusive, Natalee Holloway’s mother Beth Holloway comes face-to-face with Joran van der Sloot.

"I’ve made so many bad decisions," van der Sloot tells Holloway. "I should've learned from my mistakes."

Watch tonight as ET goes inside his prison for the hidden camera confrontation.

To find out where to watch ET in your area, click on the ETonline homepage and scroll to the bottom where it says "ET on TV."



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 05, 2010, 03:07:40 PM
ET in my area:

NEW YORK, NY
WCBS-TV
Monday-Friday 7:30P
Saturday 7:00P
Sunday 2:05A


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 05, 2010, 04:56:50 PM
Natalee's Family and the Upholding of Jossy Mansur

Beth Holloway

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Sept. 14th
updated 9/15/2005 12:13:33 PM ET


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY‘S MOTHER: Well, you know, I‘ll be forever grateful for Jossy Mansur, who is there. And he has been so instrumental. And he‘s just a hero to all of us. And, you know, he‘s my only hope on the island. And we‘ll be forever grateful to him.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9354188/


Dana Pretzer Show - February 12, 2008

Dana:  I’m going to throw out some names to you and I know you’ve done this line of questioning before from other show hosts but I’m curious to see what you have to say.  When I mention the name Jossy Mansur...

Beth:  Oh absolutely heroic, what a man, what a father, what a husband he is too... I mean my goodness.  What a business man he is...integrity.  And you know I will stand by Jossy because this is an individual that stepped forward for me, for human rights, and for justice.  And gosh what he did for me was he took such a burden off of me during the month of July of 05 when I felt as if I was kind of out there on the forefront by myself going against these perpetrators until Jossy Mansur stepped forward I felt like I had no other ally.  So you know he did the most amazing thing, and he went out on a limb and he you know for no reason other than doing the right thing and as I said being about professionalism, integrity, and respect for others human rights so absolutely what an amazing man.

Transcript: Texasmom

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2008/09/12/the-dana-pretzer-show-on-scared-monkeys-radio-friday-september-12-2008-dana-introduces-justice-interrupted-tonight-with-stacy-dittrich-susan-murphy-milano-and-robin-sax/


Dave Holloway

Dana Pretzer Show - September 8, 2006


Dave: Jossy has been very helpful to try to find the truth, the fact he lives in Aruba and publishes a newspaper, they’re attacking him because he’s looking for– fighting for– the truth. That’s what a good journalist does–He’s going to go after the people, regardless, and try to find the truth.


Jug Twitty

Jossy Mansur … The Return of the Jedi … “Tacopina and his Criminal Client, Joran Van der Sloot
Posted December 5, 2006 by Scared Monkeys


6.  JUG TWITTY on December 5th, 2006 10:57 am
Thank you Jossy.  I don’t know how you do it but you have been there for us from the beginning and the people of Aruba should be proud of you.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/12/05/jossy-mansur-the-return-of-the-jedi-tacopina-and-his-criminal-clinet-joran-van-der-sloot/


Steve Holloway

Aruba: Hypocrites … MEP & Oduber call for Call for Boycott of Diario
Posted April 6, 2007 by Scared Monkeys


20.  Steve Holloway on April 6th, 2007 1:02 pm
 I think he (Jossy) is a good man looking for the truth. He will not let them push him around. This is his home and is probably sick of the corruption that happens every day on such a large scale on such a small island. It happens here in the states, but at least its in check with the freedom’s that we enjoy when people report it.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/04/06/aruba-hypocrites-mep-oduber-call-for-call-for-boycott-of-diario/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 05, 2010, 05:54:10 PM
http://www.etonline.com/news/102570_EXCLUSIVE_Natalee_Holloway_s_Mother_Face_to_Face_with_Joran_van_der_Sloot/

(http://www.etonline.com/media/photo/beth_halloway_joran_van_der_sloot_003_640x380.jpg)

November 05, 2010

In an ET exclusive, Natalee Holloway’s mother Beth Holloway comes face-to-face with Joran van der Sloot.

"I’ve made so many bad decisions," van der Sloot tells Holloway. "I should've learned from my mistakes."

Watch tonight as ET goes inside his prison for the hidden camera confrontation.

To find out where to watch ET in your area, click on the ETonline homepage and scroll to the bottom where it says "ET on TV."



Thanks Kermit, Klaas, and 2NJ for the reminders about the show tonight.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 05, 2010, 06:26:18 PM
 :oops:  Texasmom, I only posted ET's schedule in the NY area after Kermit and Klaas posted the reminders. 

I should thank them, too, because I'll have to stay away from Jeopardy & Wheel of Fortune on ABC!       ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 05, 2010, 06:44:26 PM
:oops:  Texasmom, I only posted ET's schedule in the NY area after Kermit and Klaas posted the reminders. 

I should thank them, too, because I'll have to stay away from Jeopardy & Wheel of Fortune on ABC!       ::MonkeyHaHa::

I realized that 2NJ, but your post prompted me to go make sure I had the time right for my area.  I might not have thought to do that otherwise!  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyKiss::





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 05, 2010, 07:04:26 PM
There's a new "preview" up on Peter's website!   ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/nieuws/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/

Friday, November 5, 2010, 14:52 hours

News

The confrontation between Beth Holloway, Joran

Take a look at the promo!

(http://www.peterrdevries.nl/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/joran-aruba-klein.jpg)
Joran van der Sloot

"I stay on his back until I know what happened."

Beth Holloway Joran even know how to find the maximum-security Castro Castro prison in Lima, so we leave our Sunday broadcast show. If after five years uncertainty Beth come face to face with the man who left her daughter away, she prays to Joran to tell the truth about what happened to Natalee.

Worked in secret to our program a real mission impossible for a meeting between Joran and Beth to set up in the Castro Castro prison. Arrived in Peru show that plan a lot of tedious to have. We found that Peru is a country of corruption, violence, nepotism and agreements are not fulfilled. But Peru is also a country where sometimes you can luck suddenly and where at the highest level of sudden unexpected doors open ..

(http://www.peterrdevries.nl/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/beth-holloway1.jpg)
Beth Holloway

Repentance

In our program we show how Peter and his team along with Beth and a cargo of equipment entering the prison, the action almost falls into the water by Joran Joran lawyer and how Beth and eventually face to face with each other to assist in the boardroom. Joran, who in a recent interview said sorry for his actions, really regret about what happened to Natalee Holloway?

In Peru Beth in front of our cameras also met with the brother of the murdered Stephany Flores. Lima Beth wanted to make sure that Joran this time the dance rises, as five years ago in the case of Natalee have seemed to happen.

Aruba
Peter and Beth finally travel together to Aruba, where they go to the beach where it all began five years ago: the scene where Natalee vanished. Beth Holloway never dared go there because they could not cope emotionally. To conclude the special trip, Peter on the beach in Aruba a gripping interview with Beth.

Peter R. de Vries, crime reporter, Sunday, November 7 at 21:30 at SBS 6.

Last Updated: Friday, November 5, 2010, 14:54 hours



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 05, 2010, 07:39:23 PM
I'm disappointed that ET didn't show it all at one time.  I might have cared about some of this other stuff another time...but not now!   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 05, 2010, 07:56:36 PM
Just heard ET say that they will continue the coverage on Monday.

At least we know that Maximum Highness lied when he said that the meeting only lasted one minute.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 05, 2010, 08:03:33 PM
Just heard ET say that they will continue the coverage on Monday.

At least we know that Maximum Highness lied when he said that the meeting only lasted one minute.

He sure did!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: kpg on November 05, 2010, 08:07:15 PM


They did not sneak into the prison with hidden cameras.  The cameras were in place before the piece of excrement entered the room.  It's obvious they had cooperation from officials in Castro Castro.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 05, 2010, 08:09:22 PM
I'm disappointed that ET didn't show it all at one time.  I might have cared about some of this other stuff another time...but not now!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

The Insider also had a small segment.  I missed Tues, Wed. & Thurs.  They had an encounter in the hallway or somewhere outside the room Beth ended up meeting with him by accident and they both were taken by surprise.  She asked him then to give her information (my words).  Then in the room when he was brought in, she said she didn't come with hate (again my word).  She just wanted to know what happened and to bring Natalee home.  This show also said it would continue next week.

I had the same reaction to ET.  I've said it maybe in not so many words, but these shows are rag mags....I usually don't watch them.  No offense to Beth or Peter, but this venue sucks, for me.  I wish it were better.  jmho


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Kermit on November 05, 2010, 08:36:21 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/koenplayingtennisforyou.jpg)

YHC opens play at the Augusta State Chick-Fil-A Invitational
October 1, 2010
AUGUSTA, GaAUGUSTA, Ga. – The Young Harris College men’s tennis team returned to the courts Friday at the Augusta State University Chick-Fil-A Invitational after competing hard during the opening day of the tournament. In singles play, Martin Harach lost a Singles Flight 3 (Main Draw):
Koen Gottenbos (YHC) vs. Victor Guimaraes (ASU) 0-6; 0-6
Singles Flight 3 (Consolation):
Koen Gottenbos (YHC) vs. Matt Leffler (Lander U.) 6-3; 6-0
http://www.yhcathletics.com/article.asp?articleID=443


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Kermit on November 05, 2010, 08:36:55 PM
oops. I need a MOD to fix that photo please. Don't know what happened.
Sorry bout that.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Kermit on November 05, 2010, 08:40:19 PM
http://www.etonline.com/news/102570_EXCLUSIVE_Natalee_Holloway_s_Mother_Face_to_Face_with_Joran_van_der_Sloot/

(http://www.etonline.com/media/photo/beth_halloway_joran_van_der_sloot_003_640x380.jpg)

November 05, 2010

In an ET exclusive, Natalee Holloway’s mother Beth Holloway comes face-to-face with Joran van der Sloot.

"I’ve made so many bad decisions," van der Sloot tells Holloway. "I should've learned from my mistakes."

Watch tonight as ET goes inside his prison for the hidden camera confrontation.

To find out where to watch ET in your area, click on the ETonline homepage and scroll to the bottom where it says "ET on TV."



Thanks Kermit, Klaas, and 2NJ for the reminders about the show tonight.   ::MonkeyCool::


Let him sit there and wait another 5 years. We'll see if he changes his tune


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Kermit on November 05, 2010, 08:41:15 PM
If an underage Joran had not been permitted on the premises of the Excelsior Casino and Carlos and Charlies ... Natalee Holloway would have been with her friends on the flight home to Alabama ... to her family ... on the morning of May 30, 2005.

Janet

I wonder if you can watch Entertainment Tonight at their website????



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 05, 2010, 09:05:05 PM
oops. I need a MOD to fix that photo please. Don't know what happened.
Sorry bout that.


I can't do it from this computer.  Will try from another, Kermit.

**Unless MuffyBee or another Mod can do it quicker.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 05, 2010, 09:12:36 PM
I'm trying to go back and recap some of what was said on tonight's Entertainment Tonight...it's so splintered I've tried to put some of it in order.  Please bear with me if I don't get exactly each word...I'm trying...but I'm having issues working the playback.  I've started over about 10 times, lol. 

Some of the things Beth said...

"When we arrived at the gates of Castro Castro of course I was anxious, and I was nervous.  When we entered the prison grounds...I still felt...you know...confident that what I was doing was the right thing."

"He took my daughter, he took my life, he took my entire world!"

"I want to see him, I want to get face to face with him." 

"I've hated him for five years, I've wanted to peel his skin off his face."

"I want answers, I want them now."

"I'm thinking this is it, this is my one chance...and I'm never...I will never get this chance again.  As my eyes met him and we were face to face....the only thing that I had left in me that I could do was to just speak from the heart."

"If he thinks I've been pestering him for five years...he hasn't seen anything yet.  Because if he wants to continue to sit there and insist that he doesn't have answers...and doesn't know what happened to Natalee...well then I want him to keep saying that when he's 60 years old sitting in prison."

"He can't even take a mother sitting in front of him to tell her the truth...that's pathetic...it's pathetic."

Speaking to Peter in front of the house Joran claimed Natalee is buried under..."It's another elaborately fabricated story from Joran.  And of course we thought...just maybe...just once...he was telling the truth....but no."

At the beach in Aruba..."It's what I can do now, is come here and look out, and I never could do that."

"I know that Joran will either spend the rest of his life living in a Peruvian prison, or...I will have Natalee...I will bring her home...and I will have the answers I have been so desperately seeking."

To Joran:

"I just wanted to get face-to-face with you."

"Joran, I've been a school teacher for 30 year and I felt like there was a real sincerity that you wanted to get this monkey off your back...and I thought I was, I mean, I though I was like, you know, that's where we were going."

"If it was an accident, tell me....you know, I don't know...I don't know."

"It's too late for Natalee...but it's not too late for you, Joran."

"I won't do anything until I get some information about Natalee."

"I want to know what happened and I want to move on, Joran.  I want to move on."

"You have your own life ahead, you're the boss of you.  But here Joran, time stands still...the clock stops..and you're just stranded in time."

"Joran, you don't need to lose your life here in prison, and be sitting here when your 60 years of age, and insisting to me that you don't know what happened."

"You can sit here for the rest of your life."

Joran says:

"I hope you can understand also, it's very hard...hard for me to talk to you."

"This is really not easy, I'm really doing my best.  And I know you have a really good heart...I know that...I know that for a fact...I mean I've made so many bad decisions and all for, for the wrong reasons."

Preview from Monday's ET show:

Joran:  "I've told so many lies."

Beth:  "You didn't listen to me then."

Joran:  "It's not something that's easy."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 05, 2010, 09:21:23 PM
I'm trying to go back and recap some of what was said on tonight's Entertainment Tonight...it's so splintered I've tried to put some of it in order.  Please bear with me if I don't get exactly each word...I'm trying...but I'm having issues working the playback.  I've started over about 10 times, lol. 

Some of the things Beth said...

"When we arrived at the gates of Castro Castro of course I was anxious, and I was nervous.  When we entered the prison grounds...I still felt...you know...confident that what I was doing was the right thing."

"He took my daughter, he took my life, he took my entire world!"

"I want to see him, I want to get face to face with him." 

"I've hated him for five years, I've wanted to peel his skin off his face."

"I want answers, I want them now."

"I'm thinking this is it, this is my one chance...and I'm never...I will never get this chance again.  As my eyes met him and we were face to face....the only thing that I had left in me that I could do was to just speak from the heart."

"If he thinks I've been pestering him for five years...he hasn't seen anything yet.  Because if he wants to continue to sit there and insist that he doesn't have answers...and doesn't know what happened to Natalee...well then I want him to keep saying that when he's 60 years old sitting in prison."

"He can't even take a mother sitting in front of him to tell her the truth...that's pathetic...it's pathetic."

Speaking to Peter in front of the house Joran claimed Natalee is buried under..."It's another elaborately fabricated story from Joran.  And of course we thought...just maybe...just once...he was telling the truth....but no."

At the beach in Aruba..."It's what I can do now, is come here and look out, and I never could do that."

"I know that Joran will either spend the rest of his life living in a Peruvian prison, or...I will have Natalee...I will bring her home...and I will have the answers I have been so desperately seeking."

To Joran:

"I just wanted to get face-to-face with you."

"Joran, I've been a school teacher for 30 years and I felt like there was a real sincerity that you wanted to get this monkey off your back...and I thought I was, I mean, I though I was like, you know, that's where we were going."

"If it was an accident, tell me....you know, I don't know...I don't know."

"It's too late for Natalee...but it's not too late for you, Joran."

"I won't do anything until I get some information about Natalee."

"I want to know what happened and I want to move on, Joran.  I want to move on."

"You have your own life ahead, you're the boss of you.  But here Joran, time stands still...the clock stops..and you're just stranded in time."

"Joran, you don't need to lose your life here in prison, and be sitting here when you're 60 years of age, and insisting to me that you don't know what happened."

"You can sit here for the rest of your life."

Joran says:

"I hope you can understand also, it's very hard...hard for me to talk to you."

"This is really not easy, I'm really doing my best.  And I know you have a really good heart...I know that...I know that for a fact...I mean I've made so many bad decisions and all for, for the wrong reasons."

Preview from Monday's ET show:

Joran:  "I've told so many lies."

Beth:  "You didn't listen to me then."

Joran:  "It's not something that's easy."


Fixed a couple mistakes.    :oops:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 05, 2010, 09:28:08 PM


They did not sneak into the prison with hidden cameras.  The cameras were in place before the piece of excrement entered the room.  It's obvious they had cooperation from officials in Castro Castro.

I agree.

Four cameras set up in the room prior to the meeting, Peter and his crew monitored the entire meeting from a nearby room.

When I think about those first reports...Beth arrested...etc...   ::MonkeyMad::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 05, 2010, 09:40:13 PM
Thanks TM, it is so much better to read it in some order.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 05, 2010, 09:44:22 PM
Thanks TM, it is so much better to read it in some order.

You're welcome Magnolia.  I was really just guessing on some of it, I guess we'll know more about how it really went when Peter R. DeVries shows Part 2.  I think that's Sunday night.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 05, 2010, 09:48:27 PM
I'm trying to go back and recap some of what was said on tonight's Entertainment Tonight...it's so splintered I've tried to put some of it in order.  Please bear with me if I don't get exactly each word...I'm trying...but I'm having issues working the playback.  I've started over about 10 times, lol. 

Some of the things Beth said...

"When we arrived at the gates of Castro Castro of course I was anxious, and I was nervous.  When we entered the prison grounds...I still felt...you know...confident that what I was doing was the right thing."

"He took my daughter, he took my life, he took my entire world!"

"I want to see him, I want to get face to face with him." 

"I've hated him for five years, I've wanted to peel his skin off his face."

"I want answers, I want them now."

"I'm thinking this is it, this is my one chance...and I'm never...I will never get this chance again.  As my eyes met him and we were face to face....the only thing that I had left in me that I could do was to just speak from the heart."

"If he thinks I've been pestering him for five years...he hasn't seen anything yet.  Because if he wants to continue to sit there and insist that he doesn't have answers...and doesn't know what happened to Natalee...well then I want him to keep saying that when he's 60 years old sitting in prison."

"He can't even take a mother sitting in front of him to tell her the truth...that's pathetic...it's pathetic."

Speaking to Peter in front of the house Joran claimed Natalee is buried under..."It's another elaborately fabricated story from Joran.  And of course we thought...just maybe...just once...he was telling the truth....but no."

At the beach in Aruba..."It's what I can do now, is come here and look out, and I never could do that."

"I know that Joran will either spend the rest of his life living in a Peruvian prison, or...I will have Natalee...I will bring her home...and I will have the answers I have been so desperately seeking."

To Joran:

"I just wanted to get face-to-face with you."

"Joran, I've been a school teacher for 30 years and I felt like there was a real sincerity that you wanted to get this monkey off your back...and I thought I was, I mean, I thought I was like, you know, that's where we were going."

"If it was an accident, tell me....you know, I don't know...I don't know."

"It's too late for Natalee...but it's not too late for you, Joran."

"I won't do anything until I get some information about Natalee."

"I want to know what happened and I want to move on, Joran.  I want to move on."

"You have your own life ahead, you're the boss of you.  But here Joran, time stands still...the clock stops..and you're just stranded in time."

"Joran, you don't need to lose your life here in prison, and be sitting here when you're 60 years of age, and insisting to me that you don't know what happened."

"You can sit here for the rest of your life."

Joran says:

"I hope you can understand also, it's very hard...hard for me to talk to you."

"This is really not easy, I'm really doing my best.  And I know you have a really good heart...I know that...I know that for a fact...I mean I've made so many bad decisions and all for, for the wrong reasons."

Preview from Monday's ET show:

Joran:  "I've told so many lies."

Beth:  "You didn't listen to me then."

Joran:  "It's not something that's easy."


Fixed a couple mistakes.    :oops:

Found another one.... :oops:  I'll really try not to read it again.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 05, 2010, 09:51:34 PM
Kermit, that picture of that POS, Koen is Texas sized!   ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 05, 2010, 11:28:02 PM
Kermit, that picture of that POS, Koen is Texas sized!   ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yeah, and I couldn't get to another computer to fix it.  Photobucket on this one bugs out. 

Thanks, TM for the transcript.  I still am not happy with the 'The Insider' & 'ET' venue....guess I'm in the minority.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 05, 2010, 11:29:09 PM
IT IS NOT SUPPOSE TO HAPPEN THIS WAY

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 1:
  I cannot tell you how much it hurts to lose a child.  There are no words to describe the feelings that choke a parent who outlives a daughter. It is not supposed to happen this way. I was never prepared for this kind of pain, this type of emptiness. My heart has an insurmountable void that used to be filled with Natalee's presence.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 05, 2010, 11:32:16 PM
Kermit, that picture of that POS, Koen is Texas sized!   ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yeah, and I couldn't get to another computer to fix it.  Photobucket on this one bugs out. 

Thanks, TM for the transcript.  I still am not happy with the 'The Insider' & 'ET' venue....guess I'm in the minority.

I will join you in that minority corner.  I don't approve either.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 06, 2010, 12:16:34 AM
Kermit, that picture of that POS, Koen is Texas sized!   ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yeah, and I couldn't get to another computer to fix it.  Photobucket on this one bugs out. 

Thanks, TM for the transcript.  I still am not happy with the 'The Insider' & 'ET' venue....guess I'm in the minority.

I didn't get to see what was on The Insider, but I'm definitely with you on the ET part.  I agreed with an earlier post of yours but got sidetracked and didn't respond.  I don't usually watch ET either. 

The ET version didn't have anything about the encounter in the hall either.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: islanders on November 06, 2010, 12:23:23 AM
I won't be watching it because the way the story is being chopped up. Too bad he is using the location a previous murder as leverage to reduce his punishment in this murder.

Beth is looking good.

I probably won't be back for a while so peace out.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 06, 2010, 12:55:16 AM

http://www.theinsider.com/news/3376001_EXCLUSIVE_Natalee_Holloway_s_Mom_Faces_Joran_van_der_Sloot

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/11052010_BethconfrontsJoran_TheInsider.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 06, 2010, 01:05:51 AM
http://www.theinsider.com/polls/3338854_Should_Joran_van_der_Sloot_Be_Forced_To_Discuss_Holloway_Case_Now

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/11052010_TheInsider_poll.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: billb's daughter on November 06, 2010, 01:12:09 AM
I won't be watching it because the way the story is being chopped up. Too bad he is using the location a previous murder as leverage to reduce his punishment in this murder.

Beth is looking good.

I probably won't be back for a while so peace out.
Agree completely with you islanders...
peace out......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: billb's daughter on November 06, 2010, 01:21:46 AM
I support Beth's path to get whatever she can from urine.....
Beth lost her Natalee...
urine will rot in hell on earth..whether in Castro Castro Prison and then a US prison for extortion/fraud....
Let's get the rest of the bastards.....k2, koen.........so many others that seem to be leading a care free life...when they should have been held accountable... ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: SuzieQ on November 06, 2010, 01:25:03 AM
Sorry if this has been posted. I don't remember seeing it.

http://www.arubaregatta.com/p/34/g32/start

News
20th Edition postponed to November 2011
 
Due to the small number of entries round September 1st and the high costs to organise the event and make the contracts with airliner, hotel, containertransporter, the organisation decided to postpone the 20th edtion to November 2011. Together with the mainsponsors Aruba Tourism Authority and Heineken Aruba we will make it in 2011 a great event.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 06, 2010, 01:35:08 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1327180/Tell-After-years-Natalee-Holloways-desperate-mother-comes-face-face-Joran-Van-der-Sloot.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

'Tell me where she is': After five years, Natalee Holloway's desperate mother comes face to face with Joran Van der Sloot

By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 4:35 AM on 6th November 2010

The mother of American teenager Natalee Holloway came face-to-face with her suspected killer Joran van der Sloot in a long-awaited prison confrontation.

After five years, Beth Holloway got the chance to confront him over the disappearance of her beloved daughter, who is believed to have died while travelling in Aruba.

She visited van der Sloot at Peru's notorious Miguel Castro Castro jail, where he is in solitary confinement as he awaits trial for the brutal slaying of Peruvian Stephanie Flores.

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/11/06/article-1327180-0BEF1990000005DC-933_468x279.jpg)

Face to face with the man who knows what happened to her daughter: Beth Holloway is filmed on hidden cameras talking to Joran Van der Sloot in a Peruvian prison

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/11/06/article-1327180-0BEF1A37000005DC-372_468x321.jpg)

Stone-faced: Mrs Holloway pleads with Van der Sloot for information about Natalee - but he only admits that he has made some 'bad decisions'

Hidden cameras followed the brave mother inside the jail and caught the dramatic confrontation.

High-profile Dutch crime reporter Peter De Vries was also involved in the confrontation. It was first reported on in September - but now footage and what was said has been revealed.

Prior to the meeting, De Vries had fitted Mrs Holloway with a hidden microphone to capture every word of her conversation. Four more covert cameras were set up in the prison ward's office.

Van der Sloot, 23, was completely unaware he was being recorded and monitored in a nearby room and had no idea Mrs Holloway was visiting. Prison officials had complied with the covert operation.

Making her way through the barbed wire fence of the maximum-security prison, Mrs Holloway said the adrenalin kicked in.

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/09/18/article-0-0B0ED326000005DC-453_224x423.jpg)  (http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/09/18/article-0-024D4464000004B0-93_224x423.jpg)

Accused: Dutch citizen Joran van der Sloot, being held in Peru on charges of murder of another girl, was the last person to be seen with Natalee Holloway in Aruba in 2005

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/09/18/article-0-0B3D0726000005DC-819_468x286.jpg)

Prison break-in: Beth Holloway-Twitty, pictured in front of a poster of her daughter Natalee, flew to Peru and got into Castro Castro prison to confront Joran van der Sloot

'We arrived at the gates of Castro Castro and of course, I was anxious and nervous,' she said.
'But entering the prison grounds I still felt confident that what I was doing was the right thing.'

The inmate was not handcuffed as he was led into the room, and sat on a chair inches away from Mrs Holloway.

There was no divider or security screen, although a warden was sitting behind a desk.

Mrs Holloway's presence had come as a complete surprise to van der Sloot.

Beth Holloway's plea: 'I want to know what happened and I want to move on, Joran... Tell me where she is.'

Mrs Holloway can be heard pleading with him to put her out of her misery by coming clean about the events in Aruba back in May 2005.

'Just listen to me for a couple of minutes,' she said.
'I won't do anything until I get some information about Natalee.
'I want to know what happened and I want to move on, Joran. I want to move on.
'If it was an accident, tell me. I don't know.
'It's too late for Natalee but it's not too late for you Joran. I just wanted to get face to face with you. I don't have any hate in me.

Van der Sloot's reply: 'I hope you can understand it's very hard for me to talk to you... It is the least I owe you, for sure. I've made so many bad decisions and for all the wrong reasons.'

 'Joran I've been a school teacher for 30 years and I felt like there was a real sincerity that you wanted to get this monkey off your back.
'And I thought that's where we were going. I know you want your life back.
'But you're looking at spending the rest of our life in prison.
'You have your own life ahead, you're the boss of you. But here, Joran, the time stands still, the clock stops. You're just stranded in time.'

After listening in silence for four minutes, van der Sloot finally spoke.
'I hope you can understand it's very hard for me to talk to you,' he said.
'It's really not easy, I'm really doing my best. I know you have a very good heart, I know that for a fact. It is the least I owe you for sure.
'I've made so many bad decisions and all for the wrong reasons.'

Mrs Holloway's desperation grew.

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/09/06/article-0-045A5AD50000044D-633_468x286.jpg)

Disappeared: Missing notices were posted on the beach in Aruba where Natalee, 18, went missing in 2005. Van der Sloot remains a strong suspect

'Joran, you don't need to lose your life in prison and be sitting here when you're 60 years of age and be sitting here insisting to me that you don't know what happened,' she said.

'Tell me what happened. Let me take her home.'

After the meeting Mrs Holloway broke down in tears, saying: 'I wanted to see him, I wanted to get face to face with him.

'I wanted to peel the skin off his face. I'm thinking this is it, this is my one chance and I'll never get this chance again.

'My eyes met his and we were face to face. The only thing I had left in me was just to speak from the heart.'

Disappointingly, the liaison did little to help Mrs Holloway's agonising quest for answers.

The riveting footage was aired on prime-time CBS shows The Insider and Entertainment Tonight on Friday, and will also form part of a Dutch crime documentary.

Twice arrested and never charged, Van der Sloot remains the chief suspect in the Natalee Holloway case.

The pretty blonde 18-year-old had disappeared on the last night of a high school graduation trip and was last seen leaving a club with van der Sloot and his two friends.

Her body has never been found.

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/09/18/article-0-0B3D0955000005DC-61_468x286.jpg)

Castro Castro prison: An aerial view of the Peruvian prison holding Joran van der sloot. He is charged with the murder of Stephany Flores on May 30

Mrs Holloway, from Alabama, has always been vocal about her only daughter's suspected killer, saying he has 'dragged her through hell'.

She has devoted her life to uncovering the truth.

More compelling footage is set to be aired on CBS next week.

'If he thinks I've been pestering him for the past five years, he hasn't seen anything yet,' she said.

'Because if he wants to sit there and keep insisting that he doesn't have answers or doesn't know what happened to Natalee well then I want him to keep saying that when he's 60 years old sitting in prison.

'He can't even take a mother sitting in front of him to tell her the truth?

'That's pathetic, it's pathetic.'

In June this year, Van der Sloot was indicted by a federal grand jury in Alabama for trying to extort $200,00 from Mrs Holloway.

In exchange for cash, he allegedly promised to tell her the location of Natalee's remains. The footage showed her revisiting the supposed Aruba locations with De Vries.

'It was another elaborately fabricated story from Joran,' she said.
'Of course we'd thought just maybe, just once he was telling the truth. But no.

'I know that Joran will either spend the rest of his life living in a Peruvian prison or I will have Natalee and will bring her home and I will have the answers I've been so desperately seeking.'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1327180/Tell-After-years-Natalee-Holloways-desperate-mother-comes-face-face-Joran-Van-der-Sloot.html?ito=feeds-newsxml#ixzz14Td6Ven7


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 06, 2010, 01:54:18 AM
There's a new "preview" up on Peter's website!   ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/nieuws/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/

Friday, November 5, 2010, 14:52 hours

News

The confrontation between Beth Holloway, Joran

Take a look at the promo!

(http://www.peterrdevries.nl/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/joran-aruba-klein.jpg)
Joran van der Sloot

"I stay on his back until I know what happened."

Beth Holloway Joran even know how to find the maximum-security Castro Castro prison in Lima, so we leave our Sunday broadcast show. If after five years uncertainty Beth come face to face with the man who left her daughter away, she prays to Joran to tell the truth about what happened to Natalee.

Worked in secret to our program a real mission impossible for a meeting between Joran and Beth to set up in the Castro Castro prison. Arrived in Peru show that plan a lot of tedious to have. We found that Peru is a country of corruption, violence, nepotism and agreements are not fulfilled. But Peru is also a country where sometimes you can luck suddenly and where at the highest level of sudden unexpected doors open ..

(http://www.peterrdevries.nl/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/beth-holloway1.jpg)
Beth Holloway

Repentance

In our program we show how Peter and his team along with Beth and a cargo of equipment entering the prison, the action almost falls into the water by Joran Joran lawyer and how Beth and eventually face to face with each other to assist in the boardroom. Joran, who in a recent interview said sorry for his actions, really regret about what happened to Natalee Holloway?

In Peru Beth in front of our cameras also met with the brother of the murdered Stephany Flores. Lima Beth wanted to make sure that Joran this time the dance rises, as five years ago in the case of Natalee have seemed to happen.

Aruba
Peter and Beth finally travel together to Aruba, where they go to the beach where it all began five years ago: the scene where Natalee vanished. Beth Holloway never dared go there because they could not cope emotionally. To conclude the special trip, Peter on the beach in Aruba a gripping interview with Beth.

Peter R. de Vries, crime reporter, Sunday, November 7 at 21:30 at SBS 6.

Last Updated: Friday, November 5, 2010, 14:54 hours



http://www.peterrdevries.nl/nieuws/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/

Found the new preview on youtube!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NatGz5OfmhA

http://www.youtube.com/v/NatGz5OfmhA?fs=1&amp;hl=en_US


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 06, 2010, 02:35:56 AM
If I understand correctly, Dolfi Richardson's wife has been appointed "interim" Chief of Police while Dolfi's in Holland and Trudy Hassell is in Qatar for two weeks.

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/23914-jeannette-richardson-na-cabes-di-cuerpo-policial.html

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/11052010_JeannetteRichardson-Baars.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

jeannette richardson at cabes by cuerpo policial

friday, 05 november 2010 19:50

relaciona cu one biahe by job, alto comisario dolfi richardson will is at the netherlands before reuni on rst, while cu comisario trudy hassell will is at qatar before one meeting by interpol. cu the two unique comisarionan ausente, cuerpo policial have to owing to apunta jeannette richardson-baars, that is casa by the actual alto comisario because the boss interino till cu day 15 by november proximo. the storia by sra. jeannette richardson- baars is uno very peculiar because before ley the have to owing to become comisario for by very time come to anend. the was inspector by police even first cu her casa the become inspector. jeannette richardson-baars owing to arrive aruba by year 1995 y owing to arrive by ocupa several funcion in cuerpo policial. before several year the was boss by the staff by alto comisario y was fungi because the consehero principal by the alto comisario. but before one or another motibo, probably before evita one conflicto by interest cu her casa, owing to opta before not nombr'e in the funcion by comisario but owing to want'e in the funcion by alto inspector by police. by year 2009 the is boss by the "divisie politie opleiding provided that ontwikkeling" under where scol before police is resorta. do not conoci if will nombr'e comisario by police at present, but at least in the next two week the is sit in the chair by her same casa, because korpschef interino.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 06, 2010, 02:45:44 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)

Justice for Natalee...

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

and Stephany!   ::MonkeyJustice::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: msmarple on November 06, 2010, 07:25:49 AM
Kermit, that picture of that POS, Koen is Texas sized!   ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yeah, and I couldn't get to another computer to fix it.  Photobucket on this one bugs out. 

Thanks, TM for the transcript.  I still am not happy with the 'The Insider' & 'ET' venue....guess I'm in the minority.

I will join you in that minority corner.  I don't approve either.

Moi aussi. I've been asking myself, since when did this become entertainment?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on November 06, 2010, 07:28:28 AM
Ok.......so there they are sitting quietly at a desk, obviously in some type of office at the facility. Where's all the drama that was portrayed in the media about them busting in the prison to get to see Joran.....  ::MonkeyHaHa:: Cracks me up. Keep  ::MonkeyShovel:: Beth.... keep  ::MonkeyShovel:: and thank you Peter D. Hunkmeister for making this happen. Perhaps one day he'll crack and the truth will spill. Problem is...he's lied so much from day one, how would 'his truth' be proven, unless and until Natalee's remains are uncovered/recovered. Which imo, is now impossible. I do not think she is recoverble. Anyway...just my (http://deephousepage.com/smilies/twocents.gif)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Buckeye on November 06, 2010, 09:57:08 AM
If I understand correctly, Dolfi Richardson's wife has been appointed "interim" Chief of Police while Dolfi's in Holland and Trudy Hassell is in Qatar for two weeks.

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/23914-jeannette-richardson-na-cabes-di-cuerpo-policial.html

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/11052010_JeannetteRichardson-Baars.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

jeannette richardson at cabes by cuerpo policial

friday, 05 november 2010 19:50

relaciona cu one biahe by job, alto comisario dolfi richardson will is at the netherlands before reuni on rst, while cu comisario trudy hassell will is at qatar before one meeting by interpol. cu the two unique comisarionan ausente, cuerpo policial have to owing to apunta jeannette richardson-baars, that is casa by the actual alto comisario because the boss interino till cu day 15 by november proximo. the storia by sra. jeannette richardson- baars is uno very peculiar because before ley the have to owing to become comisario for by very time come to anend. the was inspector by police even first cu her casa the become inspector. jeannette richardson-baars owing to arrive aruba by year 1995 y owing to arrive by ocupa several funcion in cuerpo policial. before several year the was boss by the staff by alto comisario y was fungi because the consehero principal by the alto comisario. but before one or another motibo, probably before evita one conflicto by interest cu her casa, owing to opta before not nombr'e in the funcion by comisario but owing to want'e in the funcion by alto inspector by police. by year 2009 the is boss by the "divisie politie opleiding provided that ontwikkeling" under where scol before police is resorta. do not conoci if will nombr'e comisario by police at present, but at least in the next two week the is sit in the chair by her same casa, because korpschef interino.



We found that Peru (????)  is a country of corruption, violence, nepotism and agreements are not fulfilled.  Sounds like Aruba, to me.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 06, 2010, 10:00:26 AM
There was one segment near the end of last night's The Insider that I forgot to mention.  Beth tells Joran that had she known he'd asked for a plane ticket back to Aruba in an email prior to the 30th, she would have obliged.  She said 'they' didn't show me the email until the 30th. 

Yes, I know....I'm not the greatest at transcriptions. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 06, 2010, 11:29:34 AM
If I understand correctly, Dolfi Richardson's wife has been appointed "interim" Chief of Police while Dolfi's in Holland and Trudy Hassell is in Qatar for two weeks.

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/23914-jeannette-richardson-na-cabes-di-cuerpo-policial.html

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/11052010_JeannetteRichardson-Baars.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

jeannette richardson at cabes by cuerpo policial

friday, 05 november 2010 19:50

relaciona cu one biahe by job, alto comisario dolfi richardson will is at the netherlands before reuni on rst, while cu comisario trudy hassell will is at qatar before one meeting by interpol. cu the two unique comisarionan ausente, cuerpo policial have to owing to apunta jeannette richardson-baars, that is casa by the actual alto comisario because the boss interino till cu day 15 by november proximo. the storia by sra. jeannette richardson- baars is uno very peculiar because before ley the have to owing to become comisario for by very time come to anend. the was inspector by police even first cu her casa the become inspector. jeannette richardson-baars owing to arrive aruba by year 1995 y owing to arrive by ocupa several funcion in cuerpo policial. before several year the was boss by the staff by alto comisario y was fungi because the consehero principal by the alto comisario. but before one or another motibo, probably before evita one conflicto by interest cu her casa, owing to opta before not nombr'e in the funcion by comisario but owing to want'e in the funcion by alto inspector by police. by year 2009 the is boss by the "divisie politie opleiding provided that ontwikkeling" under where scol before police is resorta. do not conoci if will nombr'e comisario by police at present, but at least in the next two week the is sit in the chair by her same casa, because korpschef interino.

We found that Peru (????)  is a country of corruption, violence, nepotism and agreements are not fulfilled.  Sounds like Aruba, to me.

Me too, Buckeye.   ::MonkeyCool::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 06, 2010, 11:36:59 AM
Ok.......so there they are sitting quietly at a desk, obviously in some type of office at the facility. Where's all the drama that was portrayed in the media about them busting in the prison to get to see Joran.....  ::MonkeyHaHa:: Cracks me up. Keep  ::MonkeyShovel:: Beth.... keep  ::MonkeyShovel:: and thank you Peter D. Hunkmeister for making this happen. Perhaps one day he'll crack and the truth will spill. Problem is...he's lied so much from day one, how would 'his truth' be proven, unless and until Natalee's remains are uncovered/recovered. Which imo, is now impossible. I do not think she is recoverble. Anyway...just my (http://deephousepage.com/smilies/twocents.gif)



I agree Nut44x4, makes you wonder where those stories from September really originated from.  They were obviously FOS!

And I understand your reasoning but I hope you're wrong, and Natalee is recoverable. 

"Peter D. Hunkmeister"   ::MonkeyHaHa:: :smt049 ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 06, 2010, 11:39:44 AM
There was one segment near the end of last night's The Insider that I forgot to mention.  Beth tells Joran that had she known he'd asked for a plane ticket back to Aruba in an email prior to the 30th, she would have obliged.  She said 'they' didn't show me the email until the 30th. 

Yes, I know....I'm not the greatest at transcriptions. 

Thanks 2NJ!   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 06, 2010, 11:43:58 AM
I've been wondering where Anna is, thought this might bring her out of the rafters.   ::CowboySmiley::

He looks good in blue, oh well...he looks good in any color.   ::MonkeyJnBox::

"Peter D. Hunkmeister"  ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/SANY0498-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 06, 2010, 11:53:47 AM
Some of the pictures show people out in this!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=5181&offId=0

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/5181/8_1289054401.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

1 hora happen | fecha: 06/11/2010 | horario: 10:36

morning early turistanan owing to arise y owing to look at the lama bruto near by the hotelnan

still the disturbionan d tomas is being feel in we region come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 06, 2010, 12:11:17 PM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=5173&offId=0&offDate=2010-11

Papiamentu translation:

16 hora happen | fecha: 06/11/2010 | horario: 20:00

kiebro for by car by tourist close by area commercial, this is one another are by tourist cu will not go back aruba more

before several year the family here know bring family, amistadnan y conocirnan aruba regularly, but yesterday if they owing to disgusta y they owing to enfatisa cu this is they ultimo visit before aruba. they're one family cu like aruba her clima y her nature but they never owing to imagina locual cu owing to sosode cu they, con antisocialnan owing to coy one blokki send door by 2 glass break come into steal all they pertenencianan y cu neither person owing to look at or owing to haci algo before stop the delincuentenan here. besides they not can compronde con one gobierno can permiti one "crack alley" close by one parkinglot by one area commercial. they owing to enfatisa cu they will not go back aruba more. where the cambio is???????

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/5173/3_1289030702.jpg)

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/5173/8_1289030702.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Anna on November 06, 2010, 12:18:39 PM
Thanks TM, it is so much better to read it in some order.

You're welcome Magnolia.  I was really just guessing on some of it, I guess we'll know more about how it really went when Peter R. DeVries shows Part 2.  I think that's Sunday night.

I hope Jo Ann will give us another report like last time.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 06, 2010, 12:20:01 PM
Thanks TM, it is so much better to read it in some order.

You're welcome Magnolia.  I was really just guessing on some of it, I guess we'll know more about how it really went when Peter R. DeVries shows Part 2.  I think that's Sunday night.

I hope Jo Ann will give us another report like last time.

Me too!

Great to see you Anna!   ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Anna on November 06, 2010, 12:21:49 PM
I've been wondering where Anna is, thought this might bring her out of the rafters.   ::CowboySmiley::

He looks good in blue, oh well...he looks good in any color.   ::MonkeyJnBox::

"Peter D. Hunkmeister"  ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/SANY0498-1.jpg)


He's  one of those rare individuals who looks better the older he gets.

<sigh>   ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 06, 2010, 12:27:16 PM
I agree, Anna!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Anna on November 06, 2010, 12:28:54 PM
Does the story with that red car say that some antisocial broke into the tourist's car and stole all their stuff and now they won't come back to Aruba?

I think that is what it says.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Anna on November 06, 2010, 12:31:55 PM
Probably the usual lying suspects in Aruba are the ones who told the wild tales of Beth being arrested.  At the time I said no way as that culture allows for mothers to grieve pretty much any way they want to.

I thought I missed it on Inside Edition as I looked on it and they were talking about something else.  Maybe I should have stayed and waited.

Well, I think we have the info posted anyway thanks to TxMom


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Anna on November 06, 2010, 12:33:26 PM
Looking forward to what is on the program with Peter R. deVries on Sunday!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 06, 2010, 12:47:53 PM
Does the story with that red car say that some antisocial broke into the tourist's car and stole all their stuff and now they won't come back to Aruba?

I think that is what it says.

Yes, that's my understanding too.  The "V" on the license plate just makes tourists more of a target IMO.  Not that the same thing isn't done to locals...
 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 06, 2010, 03:35:38 PM
THE ONLY ARUBAN VOICE

Jossy Mansur's motives may have had a political bias but ... when all is said and done ... prior to the John Silvetti/Caps/Tim Miller/pond witness connection ... a connection that took the focus off the Persistence betrayal ... this man was the only Aruban voice on the Island that advocated for Natalee and her family.  Jossy was constantly exposing those within the administration who were preventing justice from prevailing and ... he never let the focus of implication stray Paulus, Joran, Deepak and Satish.  Hee never let the focus of implication stray from ALL the suspects who were detained in the Natalee Holloway case.

However ... Jossy's upholding of Karin Janssen and Jan Vander Straaten tells me that he gives the Aruban investigation a pass.

Janet

+++++


DIARIO Aruba
11/21/2005


ORANJESTAD (AAN) The case of Natalee is taking other unexpected twists and very negative ones that are going to tarnish Aruba’s image as a safe destination for tourists and investors.

Joe Mammana has a very impressive criminal past in the U.S. but for one reason or another he has found publicity with different cases which have set his image straight and in the case of Natalee, he is trying to find national attention in the US by using sensationalism via the American media.

The government of Aruba recently declared that they will not permit Joe Mammana to enter Aruba.

Related to his past and criminal record, the government took the decision via the Minister of Justice that they cannot let such a person enter Aruba and about this there was information circulating that this Joe person sent a threatening letter to those who were detained in Aruba related to the case of Natalee.

The government’s actions in this case were correct because they cannot let this type of person come to Aruba and believe that they can come do what they see fit on our island, and to boot, Mammana is one of those who is trying, body and soul, to organize an unjust and unjustifiable boycott against Aruba.

What is strange is that the government refuses to let this ex-criminal enter Aruba, but on the other hand, permits another ex-criminal, Mike Posner who is going soon to the U.S. for cases of law violations, to be able to have a business in Aruba, and enter and leave Aruba whenever he wants.

To make matters worse, the person in question, Mike Posner, has been able to obtain a permit to operate a casino, where anyone who wants to have a casino in Aruba and the majority of other countries in the world have to have a clean criminal record.

Recently, this information has started to circulate in the U.S. as well, and seeing that it hasn’t been many days since via the American media false information was given that Aruba is a sort of den for criminals and even terrorists, the matter of the Aruba casino owner with a criminal past in the US, is going to help those who want to implement a total boycott against Aruba.

Wasn’t it in Mike Posner’s casino that the principal suspect in Natalee’s case, Joran van der Sloot, was sitting gambling, despite the fact that he was underage and that never should he have been permitted to enter the casino?

Some weeks back, other media in Aruba came out in vanguard of the ex-criminal Mike Posner and wrote and article that praised Mike Posner for his supposed achievements in Aruba and what interest they had with him, nobody knows.

Now that the government refuses an American ex-criminal entry to Aruba, the government has to justify the reason why until today they continue to permit a person with such a police record such as Mike Posner, can come to set up a business in Aruba, continue to operate his business in Aruba and come and go whenever he wants.

What sort of handling of Justice is there in Aruba and what impact will this case have in the US when the American media start to question the government of Aruba about this matter?

This matter is pending because there are more questionable things here and also the role that certain politicians in Aruba play and continue to play in this matter.

[translated by Getagrip]

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005/11/aruban-casino-owner-with-criminal-past.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 06, 2010, 05:44:58 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_80607.php

Google translation:

Government wants to smooth over casinos

November 6, 2010, 14:18 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - The Aruban government has exercised flexibility in the changes of operators of a number of casinos. So says Minister Arthur Dower (AVP) of Justice and Education.

The law allowed casinos no longer than a few hours shut. Including seizures associated with the casinos of Westin and Radisson happened, however. "We have chosen not to casinos to close when it appeared that they could not keep the law at that time. I have to say that the authorization of the new operators were submitted on time and are now being processed. "

Casino Reviewers
Meanwhile get the casino inspectors, who represented the government monitor the gambling establishment, courses. This occurs in the context of compliance with the requirements of the Financial Action Taskforce (FATF). "The way we monitor the casinos a lot more professional. There must certainly no doubt that the way we monitor the casinos is the most optimal. "The minister points out that casinos are places where a lot of money in circulation. "And where a lot of money in circulation, there are more risks. We therefore need to meet international standards with regard to limiting the laundering of this money, be it for criminal purposes or to finance terrorism. "Dower Minister hopes within a few months with the design of the monitoring casinos ready. The new legislation will in any case within a few months brought to the States. "Under the old law was a lot of not optimally controlled. The fact that a group of very close to the previous Minister of Justice Sat all control over the casino in the hands had us in a very bad light put in FATF. But now we turn back to a normal situation, "said Mr Dower.


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Post by: Tamikosmom on November 06, 2010, 07:52:04 PM
Is She Dead?  Is She Alive?

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 42:
I grasped at straws. I was desperate. I bloodied by hands from ripping up rocks on the beach in the hopes of finding one tiny shred of evidence. I performed the revolting task of tearing through the contents of a garbage dump in search of my daughter’s body. I scoured crack houses looking to see if Natalee was being held captive in one of them. When officials found out that Americans were going into those places and shaking things up, they became infuriated and told me to back off.

I am a father who has no idea what has happened to my child. The questions run through my mind all day long. They keep me awake at night. Is she dead? Is she alive? Is she being held captive somewhere? Are they hurting her? Is she crying out for me? I need to know. I need to find some peace, one way or another.



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Post by: Magnolia on November 06, 2010, 08:15:14 PM
I am anxious for some new news from Peter's broadcast tomorrow.

I feel certain that he would not let the "rag mags" broadcast anything of significance before he does.


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Post by: texasmom on November 06, 2010, 08:18:22 PM
I am anxious for some new news from Peter's broadcast tomorrow.

I feel certain that he would not let the "rag mags" broadcast anything of significance before he does.

I'm anxious too Magnolia!  I agree!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 06, 2010, 09:27:43 PM
Face to face with the man who knows what happened to her daughter: Beth Holloway is filmed on hidden cameras talking to Joran Van der Sloot in a Peruvian prison.

 

Stone-faced: Mrs Holloway pleads with Van der Sloot for information about Natalee - but he only admits that he has made some 'bad decisions'.

Hidden cameras followed the brave mother inside the jail and caught the dramatic confrontation.

High-profile Dutch crime reporter Peter De Vries was also involved in the confrontation.

It was first reported on in September that Mrs Holloway had "snuck" into the prison to confront Van der Sloot - but now footage and what was said has been revealed for the first time.

Prior to the meeting, De Vries had fitted Mrs Holloway with a hidden microphone to capture every word of her conversation. Four more covert cameras were set up in the prison warden's office.

Van der Sloot, 23, was completely unaware he was being recorded and monitored in a nearby room and had no idea Mrs Holloway was visiting. Prison officials had complied with the covert operation.

Making her way through the barbed wire fence of the maximum-security prison, Mrs Holloway said the adrenalin kicked in.

We arrived at the gates of Castro Castro and of course, I was anxious and nervous,' she said.

But entering the prison grounds I still felt confident that what I was doing was the right thing.

The inmate was not handcuffed as he was led into the room, and sat on a chair inches away from Mrs Holloway.

There was no divider or security screen, although a warden was sitting behind a desk. Mrs Holloway's presence had come as a complete surprise to van der Sloot.

Mrs Holloway can be heard pleading with him to put her out of her misery by coming clean about the events in Aruba back in May 2005.

Just listen to me for a couple of minutes,' she said.

Beth Holloway's plea: 'I want to know what happened and I want to move on, Joran... Tell me where she is.'

I won't do anything until I get some information about Natalee.

I want to know what happened and I want to move on, Joran. I want to move on.

If it was an accident, tell me. I don't know.

It's too late for Natalee but it's not too late for you Joran. I just want to get face to face with you. I don't have any hate in me.

Van der Sloot's reply: 'I hope you can understand it's very hard for me to talk to you... It is the least I owe you, for sure. I've made so many bad decisions and for all the wrong reasons.

Joran I've been a school teacher for 30 years and I felt like there was a real sincerity that you wanted to get this monkey off your back.

And I thought that's where we were going. I know you want your life back.

But you're looking at spending the rest of our life in prison.

You have your own life ahead, you're the boss of you. But here, Joran, the time stands still, the clock stops. You're just stranded in time.'

After listening in silence for four minutes, van der Sloot finally spoke.

I hope you can understand it's very hard for me to talk to you,' he said.

It's really not easy, I'm really doing my best. I know you have a very good heart, I know that for a fact. It is the least I owe you for sure.

I've made so many bad decisions and all for the wrong reasons.

Mrs. Holloway's desperation grew.


Joran, you don't need to lose your life in prison and be sitting here when you're 60 years of age and be sitting here insisting to me that you don't know what happened she said.

Tell me what happened, let me take her home.

After the meeting Mrs Holloway broke down in tears, saying: 'I wanted to see him, I wanted to get face to face with him.

I wanted to peel the skin off his face. I'm thinking this is it, this is my one chance and I'll never get this chance again.

My eyes met his and we were face to face. The only thing I had left in me was just to speak from the heart.

Disappointingly, the liaison did little to help Mrs Holloway's agonising quest for answers.

The riveting footage was aired on prime-time CBS shows The Insider and Entertainment Tonight on Friday, and will also form part of a Dutch crime documentary.

Twice arrested and never charged, Van der Sloot remains the chief suspect in the Natalee Holloway case.

The pretty blonde 18-year-old had disappeared on the last night of a high school graduation trip and was last seen leaving a club with van der Sloot and his two friends.

Her body has never been found

Castro Castro prison: An aerial view of the Peruvian prison holding Joran van der sloot. He is charged with the murder of Stephany Flores on May 30.

Mrs Holloway, from Alabama, has always been vocal about her only daughter's suspected killer, saying he has 'dragged her through hell.

She has devoted her life to uncovering the truth.

Because if he wants to sit there and keep insisting that he doesn't have answers or doesn't know what happened to Natalee well then I want him to keep saying that when he's 60 years old sitting in prison.

He can't even take a mother sitting in front of him to tell her the truth ?

That's pathetic, it's pathetic.

In June this year, Van der Sloot was indicted by a federal grand jury in Alabama for trying to extort $200,00 from Mrs Holloway.

In exchange for cash, he allegedly promised to tell her the location of Natalee's remains. The footage showed her revisiting the supposed Aruba locations with De Vries.

It was another elaborately fabricated story from Joran,' she said.

Of course we'd thought just maybe, just once he was telling the truth. But no.

I know that Joran will either spend the rest of his life living in a Peruvian prison or I will have Natalee and will bring her home and I will have the answers I've been so desperately seeking.

See part of Peter De Vries' interview with Beth Holloway here - and the moment she comes face to face with Van der Sloot (around 5min50secs in)


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1327180/Tell-After-years-Natalee-Holloways-desperate-mother-comes-face-face-Joran-Van-der-Sloot.html?ito=feeds-newsxml


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Agraria on November 07, 2010, 01:18:23 AM
Face to face with the man who knows what happened to her daughter: Beth Holloway is filmed on hidden cameras talking to Joran Van der Sloot in a Peruvian prison.

 

Stone-faced: Mrs Holloway pleads with Van der Sloot for information about Natalee - but he only admits that he has made some 'bad decisions'.

Hidden cameras followed the brave mother inside the jail and caught the dramatic confrontation.

High-profile Dutch crime reporter Peter De Vries was also involved in the confrontation.

It was first reported on in September that Mrs Holloway had "snuck" into the prison to confront Van der Sloot - but now footage and what was said has been revealed for the first time.

Prior to the meeting, De Vries had fitted Mrs Holloway with a hidden microphone to capture every word of her conversation. Four more covert cameras were set up in the prison warden's office.

Van der Sloot, 23, was completely unaware he was being recorded and monitored in a nearby room and had no idea Mrs Holloway was visiting. Prison officials had complied with the covert operation.

Making her way through the barbed wire fence of the maximum-security prison, Mrs Holloway said the adrenalin kicked in.

We arrived at the gates of Castro Castro and of course, I was anxious and nervous,' she said.

But entering the prison grounds I still felt confident that what I was doing was the right thing.

The inmate was not handcuffed as he was led into the room, and sat on a chair inches away from Mrs Holloway.

There was no divider or security screen, although a warden was sitting behind a desk. Mrs Holloway's presence had come as a complete surprise to van der Sloot.

Mrs Holloway can be heard pleading with him to put her out of her misery by coming clean about the events in Aruba back in May 2005.

Just listen to me for a couple of minutes,' she said.

Beth Holloway's plea: 'I want to know what happened and I want to move on, Joran... Tell me where she is.'

I won't do anything until I get some information about Natalee.

I want to know what happened and I want to move on, Joran. I want to move on.

If it was an accident, tell me. I don't know.

It's too late for Natalee but it's not too late for you Joran. I just want to get face to face with you. I don't have any hate in me.

Van der Sloot's reply: 'I hope you can understand it's very hard for me to talk to you... It is the least I owe you, for sure. I've made so many bad decisions and for all the wrong reasons.

Joran I've been a school teacher for 30 years and I felt like there was a real sincerity that you wanted to get this monkey off your back.

And I thought that's where we were going. I know you want your life back.

But you're looking at spending the rest of our life in prison.

You have your own life ahead, you're the boss of you. But here, Joran, the time stands still, the clock stops. You're just stranded in time.'

After listening in silence for four minutes, van der Sloot finally spoke.

I hope you can understand it's very hard for me to talk to you,' he said.

It's really not easy, I'm really doing my best. I know you have a very good heart, I know that for a fact. It is the least I owe you for sure.

I've made so many bad decisions and all for the wrong reasons.

Mrs. Holloway's desperation grew.


Joran, you don't need to lose your life in prison and be sitting here when you're 60 years of age and be sitting here insisting to me that you don't know what happened she said.

Tell me what happened, let me take her home.

After the meeting Mrs Holloway broke down in tears, saying: 'I wanted to see him, I wanted to get face to face with him.

I wanted to peel the skin off his face. I'm thinking this is it, this is my one chance and I'll never get this chance again.

My eyes met his and we were face to face. The only thing I had left in me was just to speak from the heart.

Disappointingly, the liaison did little to help Mrs Holloway's agonising quest for answers.

The riveting footage was aired on prime-time CBS shows The Insider and Entertainment Tonight on Friday, and will also form part of a Dutch crime documentary.

Twice arrested and never charged, Van der Sloot remains the chief suspect in the Natalee Holloway case.

The pretty blonde 18-year-old had disappeared on the last night of a high school graduation trip and was last seen leaving a club with van der Sloot and his two friends.

Her body has never been found

Castro Castro prison: An aerial view of the Peruvian prison holding Joran van der sloot. He is charged with the murder of Stephany Flores on May 30.

Mrs Holloway, from Alabama, has always been vocal about her only daughter's suspected killer, saying he has 'dragged her through hell.

She has devoted her life to uncovering the truth.

Because if he wants to sit there and keep insisting that he doesn't have answers or doesn't know what happened to Natalee well then I want him to keep saying that when he's 60 years old sitting in prison.

He can't even take a mother sitting in front of him to tell her the truth ?

That's pathetic, it's pathetic.

In June this year, Van der Sloot was indicted by a federal grand jury in Alabama for trying to extort $200,00 from Mrs Holloway.

In exchange for cash, he allegedly promised to tell her the location of Natalee's remains. The footage showed her revisiting the supposed Aruba locations with De Vries.

It was another elaborately fabricated story from Joran,' she said.

Of course we'd thought just maybe, just once he was telling the truth. But no.

I know that Joran will either spend the rest of his life living in a Peruvian prison or I will have Natalee and will bring her home and I will have the answers I've been so desperately seeking.

See part of Peter De Vries' interview with Beth Holloway here - and the moment she comes face to face with Van der Sloot (around 5min50secs in)


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1327180/Tell-After-years-Natalee-Holloways-desperate-mother-comes-face-face-Joran-Van-der-Sloot.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

I missed the show, Magnolia...I knew there would be something here. 

Thanks so much or the update!!!

{{{Big Hug}}}

Tricia

 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 07, 2010, 02:08:47 AM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)

Justice for Natalee...

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

and Stephany!   ::MonkeyJustice::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 07, 2010, 09:18:16 AM
O/T

There is always hope!

http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/content.php?webid=profile_lekelund

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/11/07/calif-mother-ids-missing-daughters-bracelet/?test=latestnews

Calif. Mother I.D.'s Missing Daughter's Bracelet

Published November 07, 2010 | Associated Press

FULLERTON, Calif. -- The mother of a Southern California woman who vanished almost 10 years ago said Saturday a bracelet found on recently unearthed remains belonged to her daughter.

Nancy Ekelund of Fullerton told The Associated Press that she had met with a coroner's investigator and instantly recognized the gold-link bracelet she had given as a present to her daughter Lynsie Ekelund, a 20-year old Fullerton College student who disappeared in 2001.

((snipped))


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 07, 2010, 10:24:03 AM
 ::MonkeyTongue::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/album2/Images/310.zoom3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 07, 2010, 10:43:02 AM
::MonkeyTongue::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/album2/Images/310.zoom3.jpg)
::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 07, 2010, 10:45:01 AM
http://www.sbs6.nl/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/11072010_SBS6-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 07, 2010, 02:05:34 PM
Blog's for Natalee's FB is rather embarrassing.  Why have it if you aren't going to update or monitor it?

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=97761741128&v=wall (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=97761741128&v=wall)


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Post by: MuffyBee on November 07, 2010, 02:11:47 PM
Blog's for Natalee's FB is rather embarrassing.  Why have it if you aren't going to update or monitor it?

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=97761741128&v=wall (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=97761741128&v=wall)

I see what you mean Klaas...
There's just something unsettling (to say the LEAST) about a FB titled "Blog's for Natalee" that has the last post (almost a month old, btw) that looks like spam and discusses weight loss via Acai diet and colon cleanse.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 07, 2010, 02:57:00 PM
My point exactly Muffy.  All they have to do is monitor it occasionally.

and they probably will now, lol


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on November 07, 2010, 03:03:05 PM
My point exactly Muffy.  All they have to do is monitor it occasionally.

and they probably will now, lol


Let's hope it's monitored on a regular basis in the future to prevent it from becoming a target/dumping ground for spam.   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 07, 2010, 03:11:32 PM
Blog's for Natalee's FB is rather embarrassing.  Why have it if you aren't going to update or monitor it?

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=97761741128&v=wall (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=97761741128&v=wall)

I see what you mean Klaas...
There's just something unsettling (to say the LEAST) about a FB titled "Blog's for Natalee" that has the last post (almost a month old, btw) that looks like spam and discusses weight loss via Acai diet and colon cleanse.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 07, 2010, 03:14:40 PM
Klaas/Mods

Please delete posts 679 and 680 in the Devries' thread.  I posted in the wrong thread.

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 07, 2010, 03:16:02 PM
Klaas/Mods

Please delete posts 679 and 680 in the Devries' thread.  I posted in the wrong thread.

Thanks

Janet

OK


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 07, 2010, 03:20:00 PM
Looks like there are some problems from Tomas in Aruba...I've been reading (social pages) about a couple of the other beaches being washed away in the tides too.

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/23946-entrada-pa-baby-beach-blokia-cu-awa.html

Papiamentu translation:

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1...images.stories.news.2010.november.nov07.entradababybeach.jpg)

entrance before baby beach blokia cu water

sunday, 07 november 2010 13:45

swim is more facil before arrive baby beach. the bad time by tomas y her consecuencianan owing to trece cierto problem before esnan cu be willing to arrive baby beach. for by lone palm stadium come to anend can see the cantidad by water cu is tapa the veld y also ascend the caminda. before esnan cu is cuida they car kizas the do not saludable before happen in the water here. the is water cu enough salt. same cu the area here have another partinan cu also owing to attain danjo by the lama bruto. the lama owing to ascend earth y throw till even palapa abao near by low rise hotel. the photograph here self is saca some pabao by baby beach where the water by lama y awacero owing to bird riva the caminda y area rond.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 07, 2010, 04:14:11 PM
International Travel Tips

1. Communication

Before you leave the country, activate international calling on your cell phone. And be sure you know how to make an international phone call. The area code to the U.S. is 001, followed by the area code and number you are calling. Always carry your cell on your person, not in a purse or a briefcase ...

www.internationalsafetravelsfoundation.org


Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 31:
  Clutching both portraits, Jug and I drive to the private hangar at the far side of the Birmingham airport.  On the way I contact Cingular Wireless and have international calling activated on my cell.  I activate Natalee's too.  If she has hers with her, she can call me now.  If she had had international calling last night, she could have called someone for help.  Why didn't we do this before she left?  I feel such regret

_________


The undermining of the integrity of Beth and Jug was an intregal part of the Aruban misinformation campaign WHICH was established early on to distance Joran from implication in the events that encompassing the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

+++++++ 

Disappearance
Missing White Female
by Bryan Burrough
January 2006

 
Gerold Dompig:

"We have taken two statements, from Julia Renfro and a Holiday Inn worker, that Beth told them she had gotten a call from her daughter, and that she was in love with a tall, blue-eyed Dutch teenager. So [Beth] had contact with her daughter. But she denies it. The question is why. If [the Twittys] don't level with us, how can they talk about a conspiracy? We need to know the truth. Joran did not have blue eyes. So who was this boy?" Beth denies making any such statements, or even having talked with Natalee while she was in Aruba.

http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2006/01/natalee200601?currentPage=6


'The Abrams Report' for April 19
updated 4/20/2006 10:28:41 AM ET


DAN ABRAMS, HOST:  Beth, any truth to this, I don't know if it's rumor or report, et cetera, that Natalee had said something to you about having a crush on a blonde haired, blue eyed boy in Aruba? 

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER::  Dan, there's just—there's no truth to that at all.  You know Natalee had not called me.  She didn't have international calling on her phone and no she never—her friends said that this never happened, it was never mentioned.  And just simply it's just another rumor that had started and it's just not true, Dan.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12405242/




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 07, 2010, 04:51:50 PM
From Friday's Entertainment Tonight

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM4Kg7BdRfw

http://www.youtube.com/v/iM4Kg7BdRfw?fs=1&amp;hl=en_US


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 07, 2010, 05:04:26 PM
Much better watching it in the youtube, than it was on ET Friday night!  JMO   

::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 07, 2010, 05:08:19 PM
I think this is Part 2 of Peter's show, on his website!    ::MonkeyDance::

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 07, 2010, 07:09:40 PM
I think this is Part 2 of Peter's show, on his website!    ::MonkeyDance::

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/

That was it, I've just finished watching. 

Thank you Peter R. DeVries!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 07, 2010, 07:17:41 PM
Beth Holloway:

59:25
I think there is more to come … there is more to come.

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 07, 2010, 10:38:35 PM
Peter and Beth's meeting with Enrique Flores:

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/11072010_10.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/11072010_11.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/11072010_16.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 07, 2010, 10:40:24 PM
http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/11072010_10a.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 07, 2010, 11:44:24 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)

Justice for Natalee...

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

and Stephany!   ::MonkeyJustice::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: SuzieQ on November 07, 2010, 11:46:40 PM
Looks like they are losing a lot of their beaches. All that nice white sand that they brought in, too bad, not.

(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff15/sueann37/44_1289166002.jpg)

(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff15/sueann37/26_1289166002.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 08, 2010, 12:06:29 AM
Looks like they are losing a lot of their beaches. All that nice white sand that they brought in, too bad, not.

(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff15/sueann37/44_1289166002.jpg)

(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff15/sueann37/26_1289166002.jpg)


I also read that mosquitoes are eating them alive since all of the rain.   ::MonkeyViolin::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on November 08, 2010, 05:17:59 AM
I think this is Part 2 of Peter's show, on his website!    ::MonkeyDance::

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/

Can't see that one, hope Pt. 2 gets youtubed. The hair was standing up on the back of my neck watching part 1. Unbeleivable.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Dihannah1 on November 08, 2010, 09:15:14 AM
Oh Lord,  I was getting ready for work this morning, while watching GMA and all of a sudden the  tape of Beth talking to Joran came on and I began to cry.  THERE went the makeup I was trying to put on.  D@mn B@stard!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 08, 2010, 09:32:55 AM
http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/11072010_10a.jpg)

I'm attempting to download this one right now.  Hopefully it will work and I can put it up on Youtube.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on November 08, 2010, 10:36:48 AM
TY


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 08, 2010, 11:08:15 AM
 ::MonkeyBike::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/album2/Images/311.zoom3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 08, 2010, 12:24:33 PM
http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/11072010_10a.jpg)

I'm attempting to download this one right now.  Hopefully it will work and I can put it up on Youtube.

Klaas

Were you able to download the first part.  My son did it for me but ... with great difficulty.  He saved in a folder the instructions of the backroad route he took to accomplish the task.  Do you want me to email those instruction to you.  It is all Dutch to me.

Janet   



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Kermit on November 08, 2010, 12:27:01 PM
Thank you texasmom for posting that link.


G_D BLESS PETER DEVRIES AND HIS CREW AND BETH FOR THEIR BRAVERY AND RELENTLESS PURSUIT OF THE TRUTH & JUSTICE!!!!


(http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/9678/peterandbethoncourthous.jpg)


(http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/9296/bethmeetsstephanysbroth.jpg)


(http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/6295/bethandpeterdevriesinar.jpg)


MORE TO COME



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Anna on November 08, 2010, 12:28:00 PM
Those man-made beaches were developed by mostly foreign investors when they began to develop Aruba as a tourist destination.  It's entirely possible for many of them to just erode over time without expensive upkeep.  More of that Krama it appears to me.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 08, 2010, 12:30:12 PM
Beth Holloway:

59:25
I think there is more to come … there is more to come.

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/


BUMPED


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Kermit on November 08, 2010, 12:34:07 PM
Beth Holloway:

59:25
I think there is more to come … there is more to come.

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/


BUMPED

Janet,
did you listen to Stephany's brother about what he said of their Justice system and the judge?
 ::MonkeyGavel::
justice is coming.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 08, 2010, 12:47:57 PM
Beth Holloway:

59:25
I think there is more to come … there is more to come.

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/


BUMPED

Janet,
did you listen to Stephany's brother about what he said of their Justice system and the judge?
 ::MonkeyGavel::
justice is coming.



Ribbit!!

 ::MonkeyGavel::

Janet

++++++


Beth on Greta, November 19, 2008:

HOLLOWAY: Yes. And Greta, I was just wanting to say that, you know, like I said, it's been a long time, but it's never too late for justice. And I'd be good with a "Midnight Express" prison anywhere for Joran.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454527,00.html




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 08, 2010, 01:31:19 PM
ENRIQUE FLORES, STEPHANY'S BROTHER: "I really trust the Peruvian system."

11:48
http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 08, 2010, 02:22:43 PM
They are showing footage and talking about Beth going into Castro Castro on that new show
"The Talk"
Sharon Osborne says that she knows just how Beth feels and she would do anything to try
to find where her child's remains are.
The ladies think that Joran is a control freak and this is his control over Beth...keeping the
whereabouts of Natalee unknown.

Someone else says that they would find out what Joran's biggest fear is and make sure that
he experienced that thing... by paying someone in the prison to deliver the blow.

Not one of the five ladies said that Beth did wrong by confronting Joran and each said that they
would do likewise.

It was a nice discussion.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 08, 2010, 02:40:14 PM
They are showing footage and talking about Beth going into Castro Castro on that new show
"The Talk"
Sharon Osborne says that she knows just how Beth feels and she would do anything to try
to find where her child's remains are.
The ladies think that Joran is a control freak and this is his control over Beth...keeping the
whereabouts of Natalee unknown.

Someone else says that they would find out what Joran's biggest fear is and make sure that
he experienced that thing... by paying someone in the prison to deliver the blow.

Not one of the five ladies said that Beth did wrong by confronting Joran and each said that they
would do likewise.

It was a nice discussion.

Thanks Magnolia!   ::MonkeyKiss::

The more than five years that Joran has tormented Beth and all of Natalee's loved ones only reinforces the fact that he is a monster, IMO.  He doesn't know what human decency is and if there is a way to have him face his biggest fear, I'm with the ladies on that too!  And I think it would only be fitting that when he begs for the torture to stop...that the person that could stop it tells him he'll need time to think about that....and will write him a letter when he's made a decision! ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyRoll::

 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on November 08, 2010, 03:46:39 PM
Thank you texasmom for posting that link.


G_D BLESS PETER DEVRIES AND HIS CREW AND BETH FOR THEIR BRAVERY AND RELENTLESS PURSUIT OF THE TRUTH & JUSTICE!!!!


(http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/9678/peterandbethoncourthous.jpg)


(http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/9296/bethmeetsstephanysbroth.jpg)


(http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/6295/bethandpeterdevriesinar.jpg)


MORE TO COME



Natalee brought me to SM and she has kept me here....I don't know about anyone else...but this is very painful to watch and listen to...to listen to  Beth begging this animal is heartbreaking. He gives her a little snippet of hope and I HATE HIM EVEN MORE and I never thought was possible.   ::MonkeyTears::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 08, 2010, 04:50:49 PM
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/report_der_sloot_jail_director_removed_VXbcXRTieeUlJMtfAtnuyM?CMP=OTC-rss&FEEDNAME=


Van der Sloot jail director removed as Holloway video confrontation aired: reportNEWSCORE

Last Updated: 9:07 AM, November 8, 2010

Posted: 8:46 AM, November 8, 2010

Comments: 0 More  Print The director of the Peruvian prison holding Joran van der Sloot has been relieved of his command following the airing of a secretly-recorded confrontation between the alleged killer and the American mother of one of his supposed victims.

Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf said Monday that Eddie Samame had facilitated the meeting with Beth Holloway (formerly Beth Twitty), the mother of slayed American teenager Natalee Holloway. Van der Sloot -- held in Lima in connection with the killing of Peruvian Stephanie Flores -- has long been the chief suspect in Holloway's murder.

Van der Sloot's lawyer is said to have started legal proceedings against Beth Holloway and investigative journalist Peter R. de Vries.

The interview aired Sunday night on Dutch TV SBS6 and was due to air on CBS' "Entertainment Tonight" and "The Insider" in the United States.

During the confrontation, Beth Holloway sits across a small table from van der Sloot -- with the Dutchman unaware he is being recorded. She pleads with him to come clean about her daughter's death in Aruba in May 2005.

"I want to know what happened and I want to move on, Joran. I want to move on ... If it was an accident, tell me. I don't know, " she said. "It's too late for Natalee but it's not too late for you Joran. I just wanted to get face to face with you. I don't have any hate in me."

Holloway went on: "Joran, I've been a school teacher for 30 years and I felt like there was a real sincerity that you wanted to get this monkey off your back ... And I thought that's where we were going. I know you want your life back ... But you're looking at spending the rest of your life in prison."

Van der Sloot, who remained without handcuffs throughout, listened in silence for a few minutes before finally replying, according to the program commentary.

"I hope you can understand it's very hard for me to talk to you," he said. "It's really not easy, I'm really doing my best. I know you have a very good heart, I know that for a fact. It is the least I owe you for sure."

Beth Holloway left the Miguel Castro Castro prison without the confession she was hoping for, the program concluded.

A US grand jury in the southern state of Alabama, where Natalee Holloway lived, indicted van der Sloot on June 30 for wire fraud and extortion after he allegedly asked her mother for $250,000 to tell her where to find her missing daughter's remains.

Van der Sloot was twice arrested in the Holloway case and spent three months in jail but was never charged. Natalee Holloway's body was never found.

He traveled in May to Lima, where he allegedly killed Flores when she stumbled on his computer files with information on the Holloway case.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 08, 2010, 04:56:06 PM
Thank you texasmom for posting that link.


G_D BLESS PETER DEVRIES AND HIS CREW AND BETH FOR THEIR BRAVERY AND RELENTLESS PURSUIT OF THE TRUTH & JUSTICE!!!!


(http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/9678/peterandbethoncourthous.jpg)


(http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/9296/bethmeetsstephanysbroth.jpg)


(http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/6295/bethandpeterdevriesinar.jpg)


MORE TO COME



Natalee brought me to SM and she has kept me here....I don't know about anyone else...but this is very painful to watch and listen to...to listen to  Beth begging this animal is heartbreaking. He gives her a little snippet of hope and I HATE HIM EVEN MORE and I never thought was possible.   ::MonkeyTears::

It was very painful for me too sunnyintx, and like you... I hate him even more!  ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Buckeye on November 08, 2010, 04:58:32 PM
There was an article, early this morning about bribing etc.:

AMSTERDAM - Joran van der Sloot has its first victim in jail demanded. The director of the Miguel Castro Castro prison in Peru is laid off.

Director Eddie Samame was relieved of his command because of his cooperation in a confrontation between the mother of Natalee Holloway disappeared in 2005, Beth Twitty, and Joran. The director waits a disciplinary measure.

In the room of the prison it was an arranged meeting, which was recorded with a team of secret cameras by Peter R. de Vries. The images were broadcast last night, after earlier in the day leaked over the Internet.

The lawyer of Joran van der Sloot, Mr. Maximo Altez, says that his client by the Director was forced to speak with Twitty. "If he would not cooperate he would be placed in isolation."

He announced a law to institute proceedings against Twitty and De Vries because of "bribing government officials." According to him, access to the prison to "wrongful means" have taken place.

During the meeting with the mother of Natalee Holloway Joran also did not go to her daughter about what happened.

The images were leaked out by De Vries images sold to a station in the U.S. yesterday after they broadcast on the Internet to directly. That was hours before de Vries is a broadcast about a half hour would come.


http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/8151754/__Gesprek_Joran_kost_gevangenisdirecteur_de_kop__.html?p=4,1


Peter's reaction to the above (borrowed from "The Dutch" at RU):


"Not a penny paid"
Peter is surprised by the announced measure: "This is weird, because there is at the highest level authorized for this action. The director has just been commissioned from on high to work. Condition was not on the case of Stephany Flores would be discussed. That we met. There is nothing on our side at all inappropriately done. Everyone knew what would happen, no one was misled. "

"There is no question of corruption. There we no money, no peso, real zero point zero, paid to enter the prison. That Joran's lawyer that he now calls a procedure to Beth and me tightens due to the bribing of prison authorities, indicates that the man but out of his neck talking, because there's no question of that. It has admitted Beth from compassion, so all the excitement that now arises I do not understand. "



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on November 08, 2010, 05:35:07 PM
Thank you texasmom for posting that link.


G_D BLESS PETER DEVRIES AND HIS CREW AND BETH FOR THEIR BRAVERY AND RELENTLESS PURSUIT OF THE TRUTH & JUSTICE!!!!


(http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/9678/peterandbethoncourthous.jpg)


(http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/9296/bethmeetsstephanysbroth.jpg)


(http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/6295/bethandpeterdevriesinar.jpg)


MORE TO COME



Natalee brought me to SM and she has kept me here....I don't know about anyone else...but this is very painful to watch and listen to...to listen to  Beth begging this animal is heartbreaking. He gives her a little snippet of hope and I HATE HIM EVEN MORE and I never thought was possible.   ::MonkeyTears::

It was very painful for me too sunnyintx, and like you... I hate him even more!  ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

I think it surprised me...the feeling....watching Beth...I wanted to kill him....I honestly thought I had moved past that deep dark place of pure hate...but obviously not.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on November 08, 2010, 05:39:57 PM
There was an article, early this morning about bribing etc.:

AMSTERDAM - Joran van der Sloot has its first victim in jail demanded. The director of the Miguel Castro Castro prison in Peru is laid off.

Director Eddie Samame was relieved of his command because of his cooperation in a confrontation between the mother of Natalee Holloway disappeared in 2005, Beth Twitty, and Joran. The director waits a disciplinary measure.

In the room of the prison it was an arranged meeting, which was recorded with a team of secret cameras by Peter R. de Vries. The images were broadcast last night, after earlier in the day leaked over the Internet.

The lawyer of Joran van der Sloot, Mr. Maximo Altez, says that his client by the Director was forced to speak with Twitty. "If he would not cooperate he would be placed in isolation."

He announced a law to institute proceedings against Twitty and De Vries because of "bribing government officials." According to him, access to the prison to "wrongful means" have taken place.

During the meeting with the mother of Natalee Holloway Joran also did not go to her daughter about what happened.

The images were leaked out by De Vries images sold to a station in the U.S. yesterday after they broadcast on the Internet to directly. That was hours before de Vries is a broadcast about a half hour would come.


http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/8151754/__Gesprek_Joran_kost_gevangenisdirecteur_de_kop__.html?p=4,1


Peter's reaction to the above (borrowed from "The Dutch" at RU):


"Not a penny paid"
Peter is surprised by the announced measure: "This is weird, because there is at the highest level authorized for this action. The director has just been commissioned from on high to work. Condition was not on the case of Stephany Flores would be discussed. That we met. There is nothing on our side at all inappropriately done. Everyone knew what would happen, no one was misled. "

"There is no question of corruption. There we no money, no peso, real zero point zero, paid to enter the prison. That Joran's lawyer that he now calls a procedure to Beth and me tightens due to the bribing of prison authorities, indicates that the man but out of his neck talking, because there's no question of that. It has admitted Beth from compassion, so all the excitement that now arises I do not understand. "

thanks Buckeye.....I hope the first report is totally inaccurate....Joran's attorney is just blowing smoke :smt075 :smt075 :safe:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 08, 2010, 05:40:13 PM
Joran's lawyer is looking into bringing charges against Beth???  Yeah, that's going to live long and prosper.    ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 08, 2010, 05:54:34 PM
This is pretty much the same thing Buckeye posted, but from Peter's website.

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/nieuws/gevangenisdirecteur-castro-castro-op-non-actief-gesteld/

Google translation:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/11082010_1.jpg)(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/11082010_2.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on November 08, 2010, 06:22:31 PM
Joran's lawyer is looking into bringing charges against Beth???  Yeah, that's going to live long and prosper.    ::MonkeyNoNo::


 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 08, 2010, 08:03:43 PM
Joran's lawyer is looking into bringing charges against Beth???  Yeah, that's going to live long and prosper.    ::MonkeyNoNo::


 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Why is Joran's lawyer not bringing charges against the Dutch journalist who wrote the quickie book?
What about ABC and CNN?

I thought Joran was already in solitary confinement for selling pictures and buying pot.

Castro Castro is sounding more like a Holiday Inn everyday.....cell phones and laptops, sex drugs and
rock and roll.

At least Beth showed him that she is not going away.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 08, 2010, 10:35:35 PM
Joran's lawyer is looking into bringing charges against Beth???  Yeah, that's going to live long and prosper.    ::MonkeyNoNo::


 ::MonkeyHaHa::
Why is Joran's lawyer not bringing charges against the Dutch journalist who wrote the quickie book?
What about ABC and CNN?

I thought Joran was already in solitary confinement for selling pictures and buying pot.

Castro Castro is sounding more like a Holiday Inn everyday.....cell phones and laptops, sex drugs and rock and roll.

At least Beth showed him that she is not going away.

Absolutely!   ::MonkeyCool::

Of course Joran's lawyer doesn't mind anything John van den Heuval has done.  He's given Joran the spotlight to continue his lies for money, and I would imagine some of that money has been used to pay his lawyer.  I think the book is just more of the same.  Poor Joran...blah blah blah!

As painful as it must have been for Beth to do, I'm glad she did the show with Peter R. DeVries and revealed the truth about the extortion by Joran.   Joran's claims in Van den Hueval's interview with him were obviously blatant lies to try to portray him as the victim...as usual.

And I hope the director of Castro Castro uses that lengthy interview with Van den Heuval to argue his case!  Joran isn't in custody in Peru because of anything to do with Natalee Holloway.  Yet, a large part of that interview was centered around how Natalee and her family have just ruined poor Joran's life, and hurt his family.  If Joran can sit and tell his lies to a reporter, why can't he sit and listen to the mother that he's tortured over her missing daughter for over five years...the same mother that he lied about in that interview?  He wasn't forced to respond to anything!  And I'm sure his concerns about the director having problems if his lawyer wasn't contacted before he sat down with Beth, was only an attempt by that lowlife coward to get out of it!  The director did the right thing, IF he indeed forced Joran to sit down with Beth.  I think the "threat" of solitary is just another lie (by Joran and/or his lawyer) to add some drama.  The director wouldn't need to threaten Joran now would he?  After all, Joran IS IN PRISON, and surely he's not allowed to come and go as he pleases!  If he's told to go to the director's office, threats of solitary shouldn't be needed, right?  The director was there in the office with him, and I don't think there was anything wrong with the director bringing Joran in there to hear what Beth had to say.  I hope the director doesn't lose his job for doing the right thing.

JMO

btw...Van den Heuval's interview with Joran has been translated (Spanish?) and is on youtube.  I'm wondering if that's a television station in Peru that has posted those videos?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVJUy9nB5XU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5orwsHtqF0&feature=related


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 08, 2010, 11:03:34 PM
Beth Holloway

'I wanted to peel the skin off his face. I'm thinking this is it, this is my one chance and I'll never get this chance again.

'My eyes met his and we were face to face. The only thing I had left in me was just to speak from the heart.'


http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 08, 2010, 11:05:17 PM
Beth Holloway

'Tell me what happened. Let me take her home.'

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 08, 2010, 11:05:45 PM
Interesting...nothing at all about the show...but they'll post this!   ::MonkeyRoll::

http://www.24ora.com/internacional-mainmenu-6/24023-joran-van-der-sloot-ta-entrega-keho-contra-peter-r-de-vries.html

joran van der sloot is entrega complaint contra peter r. de vries

monday, 08 november 2010 21:52

the advocate by joran van der sloot, is bay in her name at peru, entrega unkeho contra the journalist peter r. de vries. so the advocate maximo altez owing to allow know monday. de vries owing to haci her self culpabel by soborno by the director by the gaol peruvian caminda van der sloot is close, according the advocate altez. peter r. de vries, together cu beth twitty, mam by natalee holloway, recientemente owing to succeed come into gaol castro castro. eynan twitty owing to talk cu van der sloot in the office by the director, while cu de vries was in one another office is listen the conversacion via one telephone. van der sloot also owing to entrega complaint contra by twitty y the director by the gaol. soborno “e director not owing to attain permission by the institute coreccional inpe. el’a wordo cumpra”, according altez. “cu one camara scondi, grabacionnan owing to wordo haci. esey is ilegal.” according the advocate, the director owing to menasa van der sloot before isole if the not talk cu beth twitty. according media peruvian, the director all the time owing to wordo poni on non- actief. sorprendi the journalist owing to allow know monday cu the is “sorprendi” door by the medidanan take. “esaki is odd, because on the level by more high permission owing to wordo give for her accion aki”, according de vries. “e director simplemente owing to give one orden by more high before coopera. condicion is before not talk by the caso by stephany flores. esey we owing to acorda. nothing fo’i sla owing to wordo haci. everybody was know kico will owing to happen, neither person not owing to wordo desvia. corupcion the journalist owing to bird on cu “no have neither corupcion. neither cen, neither weight, nothing, nul komma nul, owing to wordo pay before owing to come into the gaol.” the journalist is considera take pasonan hudicial contra the advocate altez, if her ponencianan not wordo ingetrokken. joran van der sloot is wordo acusa by the asesinato by the young peruvian stephany flores, day 30 by half, in her bedroom by hotel at lima. also the is wordo acusa by the desaparicion by the mericano nathalee holloway akin owing to aruba, cinco year happen. the desaparicion here till cu at present not owing to remain soluciona. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 08, 2010, 11:07:38 PM
Interesting...nothing at all about the show...but they'll post this!   ::MonkeyRoll::

http://www.24ora.com/internacional-mainmenu-6/24023-joran-van-der-sloot-ta-entrega-keho-contra-peter-r-de-vries.html

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1...images.stories.news.2010.november.nov08.joran.jpg)

joran van der sloot is entrega complaint contra peter r. de vries

monday, 08 november 2010 21:52

the advocate by joran van der sloot, is bay in her name at peru, entrega unkeho contra the journalist peter r. de vries. so the advocate maximo altez owing to allow know monday. de vries owing to haci her self culpabel by soborno by the director by the gaol peruvian caminda van der sloot is close, according the advocate altez. peter r. de vries, together cu beth twitty, mam by natalee holloway, recientemente owing to succeed come into gaol castro castro. eynan twitty owing to talk cu van der sloot in the office by the director, while cu de vries was in one another office is listen the conversacion via one telephone. van der sloot also owing to entrega complaint contra by twitty y the director by the gaol. soborno “e director not owing to attain permission by the institute coreccional inpe. el’a wordo cumpra”, according altez. “cu one camara scondi, grabacionnan owing to wordo haci. esey is ilegal.” according the advocate, the director owing to menasa van der sloot before isole if the not talk cu beth twitty. according media peruvian, the director all the time owing to wordo poni on non- actief. sorprendi the journalist owing to allow know monday cu the is “sorprendi” door by the medidanan take. “esaki is odd, because on the level by more high permission owing to wordo give for her accion aki”, according de vries. “e director simplemente owing to give one orden by more high before coopera. condicion is before not talk by the caso by stephany flores. esey we owing to acorda. nothing fo’i sla owing to wordo haci. everybody was know kico will owing to happen, neither person not owing to wordo desvia. corupcion the journalist owing to bird on cu “no have neither corupcion. neither cen, neither weight, nothing, nul komma nul, owing to wordo pay before owing to come into the gaol.” the journalist is considera take pasonan hudicial contra the advocate altez, if her ponencianan not wordo ingetrokken. joran van der sloot is wordo acusa by the asesinato by the young peruvian stephany flores, day 30 by half, in her bedroom by hotel at lima. also the is wordo acusa by the desaparicion by the mericano nathalee holloway akin owing to aruba, cinco year happen. the desaparicion here till cu at present not owing to remain soluciona. come across

Forgot the picture!   ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 08, 2010, 11:51:57 PM
Beth and Peter were in Peru and at Castro Castro on September 15th iirc.

Why is this story about the director being suspended just coming out?

I haven't been able to find this information on any of the Peru online news sources yet.  It looks to me like most of the coverage about it has been picked up from De Telegraaf.

Just sayin'   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 08, 2010, 11:53:06 PM
Interesting...nothing at all about the show...but they'll post this!   ::MonkeyRoll::

http://www.24ora.com/internacional-mainmenu-6/24023-joran-van-der-sloot-ta-entrega-keho-contra-peter-r-de-vries.html

joran van der sloot is entrega complaint contra peter r. de vries

monday, 08 november 2010 21:52

the advocate by joran van der sloot, is bay in her name at peru, entrega unkeho contra the journalist peter r. de vries. so the advocate maximo altez owing to allow know monday. de vries owing to haci her self culpabel by soborno by the director by the gaol peruvian caminda van der sloot is close, according the advocate altez. peter r. de vries, together cu beth twitty, mam by natalee holloway, recientemente owing to succeed come into gaol castro castro. eynan twitty owing to talk cu van der sloot in the office by the director, while cu de vries was in one another office is listen the conversacion via one telephone. van der sloot also owing to entrega complaint contra by twitty y the director by the gaol. soborno “e director not owing to attain permission by the institute coreccional inpe. el’a wordo cumpra”, according altez. “cu one camara scondi, grabacionnan owing to wordo haci. esey is ilegal.” according the advocate, the director owing to menasa van der sloot before isole if the not talk cu beth twitty. according media peruvian, the director all the time owing to wordo poni on non- actief. sorprendi the journalist owing to allow know monday cu the is “sorprendi” door by the medidanan take. “esaki is odd, because on the level by more high permission owing to wordo give for her accion aki”, according de vries. “e director simplemente owing to give one orden by more high before coopera. condicion is before not talk by the caso by stephany flores. esey we owing to acorda. nothing fo’i sla owing to wordo haci. everybody was know kico will owing to happen, neither person not owing to wordo desvia. corupcion the journalist owing to bird on cu “no have neither corupcion. neither cen, neither weight, nothing, nul komma nul, owing to wordo pay before owing to come into the gaol.” the journalist is considera take pasonan hudicial contra the advocate altez, if her ponencianan not wordo ingetrokken. joran van der sloot is wordo acusa by the asesinato by the young peruvian stephany flores, day 30 by half, in her bedroom by hotel at lima. also the is wordo acusa by the desaparicion by the mericano nathalee holloway akin owing to aruba, cinco year happen. the desaparicion here till cu at present not owing to remain soluciona. come across

Beth's tears at the end of the interview didn't mean a thing to them....come across. ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on November 09, 2010, 02:25:42 AM
Van der Sloot prison warden suspended over tv interview


Birmingham, Al  (WIAT)  Beth Holloway's prison confrontation with the prime suspect in the disappearance of her daughter Natalee is once again causing an international ruckus.

Radio Netherlands Worldwide is quoting Dutch newspaper de Telegraaf as reporting prison chief Alex Samamé is being disciplined for agreeing to let Beth Holloway and Dutch crime reporter Peter R. de Vries stage a confrontation with van der Sloot in the Samame's office.
According to Joran van der Sloot’s lawyer, his client was threatened with solitary confinement if he refused to speak to Beth Holloway. The lawyer says he is taking legal action against Peter R. de Vries for bribing government officials.

The prison interview aired on Dutch network SBS6 Sunday night but the CBS syndicated programs THE INSIDER and ENTERTAINMENT TONIGHT purchased the video and have been running excerpts for several days.  ENTERTAINMENT TONIGHT (seen weekdays at 6:30 p.m. on CBS42) is promising more video tonight.

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Van-der-Sloot-prison-warden-suspended-over-tv/oQzO1vI-JUunoDkG0uyfBw.cspx


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on November 09, 2010, 02:30:34 AM
Van der Sloot, Holloway Video Confrontation Aired

(NewsCore) - The director of the Peruvian prison holding Joran van der Sloot has been relieved of his command following the airing of a secretly-recorded confrontation between the alleged killer and the American mother of one of his supposed victims.

Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf said Monday that Eddie Samame had facilitated the meeting with Beth Holloway (formerly Beth Twitty), the mother of slayed American teenager Natalee Holloway. Van der Sloot -- held in Lima in connection with the killing of Peruvian Stephanie Flores -- has long been the chief suspect in Holloway's murder.

Van der Sloot's lawyer is said to have started legal proceedings against Beth Holloway and investigative journalist Peter R. de Vries.

The interview aired Sunday night on Dutch TV SBS6 and was due to air on CBS' "Entertainment Tonight" and "The Insider" in the United States.

During the confrontation, Beth Holloway sits across a small table from van der Sloot -- with the Dutchman unaware he is being recorded. She pleads with him to come clean about her daughter's death in Aruba in May 2005.

"I want to know what happened and I want to move on, Joran. I want to move on ... If it was an accident, tell me. I don't know, " she said. "It's too late for Natalee but it's not too late for you Joran. I just wanted to get face to face with you. I don't have any hate in me."

Holloway went on: "Joran, I've been a school teacher for 30 years and I felt like there was a real sincerity that you wanted to get this monkey off your back ... And I thought that's where we were going. I know you want your life back ... But you're looking at spending the rest of your life in prison."

Van der Sloot, who remained without handcuffs throughout, listened in silence for a few minutes before finally replying, according to the program commentary.

"I hope you can understand it's very hard for me to talk to you," he said. "It's really not easy, I'm really doing my best. I know you have a very good heart, I know that for a fact. It is the least I owe you for sure."

Beth Holloway left the Miguel Castro Castro prison without the confession she was hoping for, the program concluded.

A grand jury in Alabama, where Natalee Holloway lived, indicted van der Sloot on June 30 for wire fraud and extortion after he allegedly asked her mother for $250,000 to tell her where to find her missing daughter's remains.

Van der Sloot was twice arrested in the Holloway case and spent three months in jail but was never charged. Natalee Holloway's body was never found.

He traveled in May to Lima, where he allegedly killed Flores when she stumbled on his computer files with information on the Holloway case.

http://www.myfoxla.com/dpps/news/van-der-sloot-holloway-video-confrontation-aired-dpgonc-20101108-fc_10523167


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on November 09, 2010, 02:34:01 AM
A woman asks Van der Sloot, the alleged murderer of his daughter, the reasons for crime (with video)

The Peruvian prison director keeps behind bars Joran Van der Sloot, has been relieved of duty after the release of a video showing the meeting, in secret between the alleged murderer and an American mother of one of his alleged victims.
The Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf said on Monday they had facilitated Samamé Eddie's meeting with Beth Holloway accused of killing American teenager Natalee Holloway.

http://www.noticias24.com/actualidad/noticia/179736/difunden-reunion-secreta-entre-joran-van-der-sloot-y-la-madre-de-natalee-holloway/



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on November 09, 2010, 02:40:11 AM
Prison Director Joran inactive
The director of the Miguel Castro Castro prison in Peru, according to the Telegraph laid off. He had arranged a meeting between Joran van der Sloot and Beth Twitty, Holloway's mother Nathalee.

Peter R. Ferris
Together with Beth Twitty traveled Peter R. Ferris off to Peru. With the help of prison warden Eddie Samame they organized a confrontation with Joran van der Slootf.

Insulation
In the boardroom of Samame Van der Sloot was greeted by the mother of Nathalee Holloway. The office was equipped with hidden cameras. According to Mr. Joran's attorney. Maximo Alter Joran would be forced to meet Beth. "If he would not cooperate he would be placed in isolation."

Inactive
To participate in this action warden Samame being punished. He is inactive and put him wait a disciplinary measure. Van der Sloot's lawyer also announced legal action against Beth Twitty and Peter R. de Vries. They would "have bribed public officials" and "undue means" have gotten access to the prison.

http://www.rtl.nl/(/actueel/rtlnieuws/buitenland/)/components/actueel/rtlnieuws/2010/11_november/08/buitenland/directeur_castro_castro_non-actief_na_gesprek_joran.xml


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 09, 2010, 02:40:51 AM
Hope this isn't a repeat...if it is I missed it.

http://www.rnw.nl/nederlands/article/nedklets-tatjana-ik-kon-niets-ik-mocht-niets

Gepubliceerd op : 29 oktober 2010 - 1:30 pm

snipped

Privé mag ook voor misdaadjournalist John van den Heuvel voor Sinterklaas spelen. Hi geeft tien gesigneerde exemplaren weg van zijn boek Jorans moordmysteries. Een samenvatting van zijn ontmoetingen met Joran van der Sloot in diens cel in de Peruaanse Miguel Castro Castro-gevangenis.

Van den Heuvel was daar door puur toeval terecht gekomen. Na een bezoek aan van der Sloots moeder Anita op Aruba, die niet over de drempel kon stappen om haar zoon een tas met spulletjes te brengen. Dus nam de journalist die taak over en werd hi geconfronteerd met de verschillende kanten van Van der Sloots persoonlijkheid.

Toen John van den Heuvel hem zei dat zijn moeder niet wilde komen, hem dus eigenlijk niet wilde zien: Dat raakte hem, zijn ogen werden vochtig. En met diezelfde natte blik vertelde de van tweevoudige moord verdachte dat hij van zijn overleden vader Paul heeft gehangen. Voor zijn gevoel is hij schuldig aan zijn overlijden, aldus de misdaadjournalist.

Maar toen John van den Heuvel hem confronteerde met het verdriet van de nabestaanden van Natalee Holloway en Stephany Flores, was zijn volgens van den Heuve keiharde reactie: Mijn vader ken ik al mijn hele leven en die meisjes maar één nachtje Daar heb ik geen oordeel over.

Google translation

Private may also commit a crime reporter John van den Heuvel for Christmas play.Van den Heuvel gives away ten signed copies of his book Joran murder mysteries. A summary of his meetings with Joran van der Sloot in his cell in the Peruvian Miguel Castro Castro prison.

Van den Heuvel was there purely by chance arrived. After a visit to Mother Anita van der Sloot in Aruba, not over the threshold could get her son a bag of goodies to bring. So the journalist took this task and hi was confronted with different sides of the van der Sloots personality.

When John van den Heuvel told him that his mother would not come, so he did not want to see: That touched him, his eyes grew moist. And with the same wet eyes told of double murder suspect that he has hung his deceased father Paul. For his feeling is he guilty of his death, said the crime reporter.

But when John van den Heuvel confronted him with the grief of the families of Natalee Holloway and Stephany Flores, was according to the Heuve harsh response: My father I have known my whole life and girls but one night I have no opinion.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 09, 2010, 02:42:27 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)

Justice for Natalee...

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

and Stephany!   ::MonkeyJustice::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on November 09, 2010, 11:03:53 AM
Natalee's mother confronted Joran
The Dutchman, who was arrested over the death of Stephanie Flores, met in prison with Beth Holloway, who pleaded for clues about her daughter.

"I want to know what happened and I want to move forward." This is the initial appeal of the mother of Natalee Holloway to Dutch Joran van der Sloot was arrested in Spain for the murder of Stephanie Flores, whom he met last September in the Miguel Castro Castro prison to give him clues to the whereabouts of her daughter. The confrontation was broadcast recently on Channel U.S. and The Netherlands.

The meeting was recorded with four secret cameras in the office of then-prison director Samamé Alex, who was removed from his post after the issuance of this report by the Dutch journalist Peter de Vries and demonstrated how easy it is to compromise the security of facilities prisons in the country, reported the news early.

The 'face to face "between Van der Sloot and Holloway Beth will also be part of a documentary to be broadcast in the Netherlands. Natalee's mother waited for over five years to have face to face with the alleged murderer of his daughter and tried to convince him to tell the truth, but to no avail. Here is an excerpt of the dialogue:

BH: Tell me if it was an accident, do not know, do not know. It's too late for Natalee, but not for you, Joran ... I just wanted a face to face with you
JV: I hope you can understand, it's hard ... hard for me to talk with you.
BH: Can you be here for the rest of your life.
JV: Not really easy. I'm doing my best ... I know I have a good heart ...

It transpired that Van der Sloot's lawyer would have taken legal action against Beth Holloway and Peter de Vries for bribing the prison authorities.

http://peru21.pe/noticia/666355/joran-no-revelo-nada-mama-holloway


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on November 09, 2010, 11:07:32 AM
Mother of Natalee Holloway recorded interview with Van der Sloot
LIMA | Joran Van der Sloot was confronted by the mother of his first victim, Natalee Holloway, and the entire encounter was recorded by hidden cameras.

The Dutchman, a prisoner in Castro Castro prison for the murder of the Peruvian Stephany Flores, did not know about Beth Twitty's visit and was surprised to see it.

During his conversation, Twitty pleaded with Van der Sloot to give him information on the whereabouts of the corpse of her daughter, who disappeared during their promotional trip to Aruba.

"Tell me if it was an accident ... I do not know, I do not know, it's too late for Natalee, but not for you, Joran, I wanted to be face to face with you," she said.

Undaunted, Van der Sloot is not responding to the pleas of women and only said that made poor decisions throughout his life.

The video, recorded with the permission of staff in the National Penitentiary Institute, part of a documentary to be aired on Dutch television.

http://correoperu.pe/correo/nota.php?txtEdi_id=4&txtSecci_id=100&txtSecci_parent=&txtNota_id=476036&utm


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on November 09, 2010, 11:08:58 AM
Joran van der Sloot face to face with the mother of Natalee Holloway

Lima (Peru.com) .- The director of the Miguel Castro Castro, Eddie Samamé was removed from office following the airing of a video showing the interview he said Beth Holloway, mother deNatalee Holloway with Joran van der Sloot, suspected murderer of his daughter.
 
The Dutch newspaper 'De Telegraaf' said Samamé had facilitated the meeting in the detention center.
 
Van der Sloot, who is arrested for the murder of the young Stephanie Flores, has long been the prime suspect in the killing of Holloway.
 
The lawyer for Van der Sloot said he initiated legal action against the journalist Beth Holloway and Peter R. de Vries and secretly record the interview with his client.
 
Asked to confess the crime
 
During the confrontation, Holloway sat at a small table in front of Van der Sloot, but he knew he was being filmed. She begs him to confess the death of her daughter in Aruba, which occurred in May 2005.
 
"I want to know what happened and I want to move, Joran. I want to move. If it was an accident, tell me. I do not know, "he said. "It's too late for Natalee, but not too late for you Joran. I just wanted to sit face to face with you. I do not keep any hatred in me, "he said.
 
Van der Sloot, who was without handcuffs throughout the meeting, listened in silence for several minutes before encouraged to respond, according to the comments of the program.
 
"I hope you can understand that it is very difficult for me to talk with you," he said. "It really is not easy, I'm really doing my best. I know you have a very good heart. I know the truth. It's the least I probably will, "he said.
 
However, the mother of Natalee Holloway left the prison without the confession had expected.

http://www.peru.com/noticias/PORTADA20101109/126440/Joran-van-der-Sloot-cara-a-cara-con-la-madre-de-Natalee-Holloway-


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 09, 2010, 11:58:04 AM
Van der Sloot prison governer suspended after interview
Monday 08 November 2010


The head of the Peruvian prison where Joran van der Sloot is being held has been suspended after arranging for the mother of missing US teenager Natalee Holloway to confront her daughter's suspected killer, the Telegraaf reports.

The meeting between Van der Sloot and Beth Twitty took place in the director's office and was filmed by secret camera's belonging to Dutch investigative reporter Peter R de Vries.

Van der Sloot's lawyer Maxicom Altez told the paper his client had been threatened with solitary confinement if he did not agree to meet Twitty.

Altez said he is taking legal action against Twitty and De Vries for 'bribing a public official'.

Van der Sloot is in jail in Peru on charges of murdering 21-year-old Stephany Flores on May 30 in his hotel room in Lima.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2010/11/van_der_sloot_prison_governer.php



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Kermit on November 09, 2010, 12:42:10 PM
There was an article, early this morning about bribing etc.:

AMSTERDAM - Joran van der Sloot has its first victim in jail demanded. The director of the Miguel Castro Castro prison in Peru is laid off.

Director Eddie Samame was relieved of his command because of his cooperation in a confrontation between the mother of Natalee Holloway disappeared in 2005, Beth Twitty, and Joran. The director waits a disciplinary measure.

In the room of the prison it was an arranged meeting, which was recorded with a team of secret cameras by Peter R. de Vries. The images were broadcast last night, after earlier in the day leaked over the Internet.

The lawyer of Joran van der Sloot, Mr. Maximo Altez, says that his client by the Director was forced to speak with Twitty. "If he would not cooperate he would be placed in isolation."

He announced a law to institute proceedings against Twitty and De Vries because of "bribing government officials." According to him, access to the prison to "wrongful means" have taken place.

During the meeting with the mother of Natalee Holloway Joran also did not go to her daughter about what happened.

The images were leaked out by De Vries images sold to a station in the U.S. yesterday after they broadcast on the Internet to directly. That was hours before de Vries is a broadcast about a half hour would come.


http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/8151754/__Gesprek_Joran_kost_gevangenisdirecteur_de_kop__.html?p=4,1


Peter's reaction to the above (borrowed from "The Dutch" at RU):


"Not a penny paid"
Peter is surprised by the announced measure: "This is weird, because there is at the highest level authorized for this action. The director has just been commissioned from on high to work. Condition was not on the case of Stephany Flores would be discussed. That we met. There is nothing on our side at all inappropriately done. Everyone knew what would happen, no one was misled. "

"There is no question of corruption. There we no money, no peso, real zero point zero, paid to enter the prison. That Joran's lawyer that he now calls a procedure to Beth and me tightens due to the bribing of prison authorities, indicates that the man but out of his neck talking, because there's no question of that. It has admitted Beth from compassion, so all the excitement that now arises I do not understand. "


Remember when reports that Beth was arrested in Peru came out and it was all lies - look to the source -  is all I'm saying at this time.






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Kermit on November 09, 2010, 12:46:02 PM
Van der Sloot prison governer suspended after interview
Monday 08 November 2010


The head of the Peruvian prison where Joran van der Sloot is being held has been suspended after arranging for the mother of missing US teenager Natalee Holloway to confront her daughter's suspected killer, the Telegraaf reports.

The meeting between Van der Sloot and Beth Twitty took place in the director's office and was filmed by secret camera's belonging to Dutch investigative reporter Peter R de Vries.

Van der Sloot's lawyer Maxicom Altez told the paper his client had been threatened with solitary confinement if he did not agree to meet Twitty.

Altez said he is taking legal action against Twitty and De Vries for 'bribing a public official'.

Van der Sloot is in jail in Peru on charges of murdering 21-year-old Stephany Flores on May 30 in his hotel room in Lima.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2010/11/van_der_sloot_prison_governer.php


Maxicom Altez needs help. Joran accepted the 3 Musketeers and diet Coke. I hardly think that constitutes a bribe. ::MonkeyDevil::

On the other hand, Joran has been buying drugs in prison from guards!!!!
 ::monkeywine2::










Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Kermit on November 09, 2010, 12:52:53 PM
I think it needs to be noted that Enrique Flores (Stephany's brother) is one
heck of a hot-good-looking man and also very much a gentleman.

 

Next time, I vote Anna and Magnolia need to go with Beth to handle the
hot Mister Peter deVries and Enrique Flores!
Ole'

 ::piggy:: ::monkeywine2::





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Kermit on November 09, 2010, 12:57:41 PM
Hope this isn't a repeat...if it is I missed it.

http://www.rnw.nl/nederlands/article/nedklets-tatjana-ik-kon-niets-ik-mocht-niets

Gepubliceerd op : 29 oktober 2010 - 1:30 pm

snipped

Privé mag ook voor misdaadjournalist John van den Heuvel voor Sinterklaas spelen. Hi geeft tien gesigneerde exemplaren weg van zijn boek Jorans moordmysteries. Een samenvatting van zijn ontmoetingen met Joran van der Sloot in diens cel in de Peruaanse Miguel Castro Castro-gevangenis.

Van den Heuvel was daar door puur toeval terecht gekomen. Na een bezoek aan van der Sloots moeder Anita op Aruba, die niet over de drempel kon stappen om haar zoon een tas met spulletjes te brengen. Dus nam de journalist die taak over en werd hi geconfronteerd met de verschillende kanten van Van der Sloots persoonlijkheid.

Toen John van den Heuvel hem zei dat zijn moeder niet wilde komen, hem dus eigenlijk niet wilde zien: Dat raakte hem, zijn ogen werden vochtig. En met diezelfde natte blik vertelde de van tweevoudige moord verdachte dat hij van zijn overleden vader Paul heeft gehangen. Voor zijn gevoel is hij schuldig aan zijn overlijden, aldus de misdaadjournalist.

Maar toen John van den Heuvel hem confronteerde met het verdriet van de nabestaanden van Natalee Holloway en Stephany Flores, was zijn volgens van den Heuve keiharde reactie: Mijn vader ken ik al mijn hele leven en die meisjes maar één nachtje Daar heb ik geen oordeel over.

Google translation

Private may also commit a crime reporter John van den Heuvel for Christmas play.Van den Heuvel gives away ten signed copies of his book Joran murder mysteries. A summary of his meetings with Joran van der Sloot in his cell in the Peruvian Miguel Castro Castro prison.

Van den Heuvel was there purely by chance arrived. After a visit to Mother Anita van der Sloot in Aruba, not over the threshold could get her son a bag of goodies to bring. So the journalist took this task and hi was confronted with different sides of the van der Sloots personality.

When John van den Heuvel told him that his mother would not come, so he did not want to see: That touched him, his eyes grew moist. And with the same wet eyes told of double murder suspect that he has hung his deceased father Paul. For his feeling is he guilty of his death, said the crime reporter.

But when John van den Heuvel confronted him with the grief of the families of Natalee Holloway and Stephany Flores, was according to the Heuve harsh response: My father I have known my whole life and girls but one night I have no opinion.



That's a terrific quote there texasmom.
This is a glimpse of how Joran thinks.

Thank G_d for Peter deVries - FILMING EVERYTHING! YOU ROCK PETER!
(in more ways then one heh Heh).

 ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Kermit on November 09, 2010, 01:01:17 PM
Drug bust in Aruba - 3 guess who this official is who's identity they are hiding  ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2010.oktober.okt31.horta.IMG_0246.JPG)

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/23644-tres-cas-bishita-di-ladronnan-deteni.html

word for DENNIS JACOBS - LAP BAND!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on November 09, 2010, 01:12:33 PM
Yeah........and a stripe shirt where the lines go up/down......not across  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 09, 2010, 01:26:49 PM
I think it needs to be noted that Enrique Flores (Stephany's brother) is one
heck of a hot-good-looking man and also very much a gentleman.

 

Next time, I vote Anna and Magnolia need to go with Beth to handle the
hot Mister Peter deVries and Enrique Flores!
Ole'

 ::piggy:: ::monkeywine2::






I'll go, Kermit!  ::MonkeyJnBox::  We'll leave Peter to Anna.  I like Enrique.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 09, 2010, 01:27:24 PM
Yeah........and a stripe shirt where the lines go up/down......not across  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I was thinking the same thing about the horizontal stripes but I doubt vertical stripes would help him....or a lap band, for that matter.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on November 09, 2010, 01:32:10 PM
After being in the presence of Deepak for an hour earlier today, are you convinced that he is involved in the disappearance of Natalee? 

HOLLOWAY: Oh, absolutely.  Anybody that was in there and saw him would agree 100 percent.  There wouldn’t be one person that didn’t believe that he had involvement if they would have been in there and witnessed and been in his presence.  There’s no one that wouldn’t believe that he has involvement.
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/8885950/


TIME IS A TICKING FOR THE LEPRECHAUNS
 ::MonkeyGavel::



HT Klaas  ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/ClockDeepak.gif)(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/ClockSatish.gif)
 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel::




Hickory Dickory Dock,
The Kalpoes are in the Clock,
The Clock Struck One,
Then He was Done,
Hickory Dickory Dock!

Hickory Dickory Dock,
A Kalpoe is in the Clock,
The Clock Struck Two,
Then He was Done Too,
Hickory Dickory Dock!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 09, 2010, 01:35:25 PM
I could be wrong but ... when the lawsuit filed by Joran's attorney is considered ... I have a hinky feeling that the two part video that can be accessed at his website is going to go "poof".  I believe that immediate downloading is where it is at.

Janet

+++++++


PART 1

Video - Beth Holloway and Peter Devries - Extortion

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/het-gewetenloze-spel-van-joran-van-der-sloot/


PART 2

Video - Beth Holloway and Peter Devries - Face to Face

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 09, 2010, 02:08:16 PM
When I look at the videos of the deVries program, it seems to me that Beth has reached her
emotional limits.  She is still on her quest to find her child, but she is alone, except for Peter.

I have to wonder why her brothers aren't with her instead of defending Tim Miller.
My brother would have never let me take that journey into Castro Castro alone.  He would
have been right by my side. 

It hurts my heart to see Beth out there alone looking for Natalee.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 09, 2010, 02:37:04 PM
After being in the presence of Deepak for an hour earlier today, are you convinced that he is involved in the disappearance of Natalee? 

HOLLOWAY: Oh, absolutely.  Anybody that was in there and saw him would agree 100 percent.  There wouldn’t be one person that didn’t believe that he had involvement if they would have been in there and witnessed and been in his presence.  There’s no one that wouldn’t believe that he has involvement.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/8885950/


TIME IS A TICKING FOR THE LEPRECHAUNS
 ::MonkeyGavel::




THE INVOLVMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH

Peter Devries

Newsweek - February 8, 2008


Do you believe that the Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, were involved in any way?

Peter Devries:  No, not at all.  On the tapes Joran calls them stupid.  I don't believe they were involved.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/109260/page/3


THE COMPLETE STORY
How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


Peter Devries:  Jorans friends Deepak and Satish, who have been arrested for this case several times, are completely innocent.  Joran declares with pride that he has abused them to create an alibi for himself. He calls them “very stupid boys’.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on November 09, 2010, 03:03:15 PM
At that same bulletin board there is a thread with interesting info on the casino operations at the Westin, Occidental and Radisson. 

http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=81364

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Where are your shoes?

 ::MonkeyEek::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 09, 2010, 03:23:22 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_80735.php

Google translation:

Peter R. Ferris denies allegations: 'No corruption'

November 9, 2010, 12:49 (GMT -04:00)

Email this article 
Print this article 

ORANGE CITY / LONDON - Crime reporter Peter R. de Vries reacts to the surprise announcement that the lawyer of Joran van der Sloot, Maximo Altez, legal process against him and Beth Holloway tightens for 'bribing public officials. "

He denies the allegations vehemently. "There is no money by us, no peso, real zero point zero, paid to enter the prison."

Yesterday, this newspaper reported that Eddie Samame, the prison director of Joran, was put on inactive. This would have been a result of the confrontation between the mother of Natalee Holloway disappeared in 2005 and Joran. This confrontation was organized by Peter who also made this hidden camera shots. These recordings were last weekend including the Netherlands and America on television.

Altez says Beth and Peter in "unlawful manner" gained access to the prison where Joran on remand. The crime reporter, however, denies the allegations and says "at the highest level has been given permission for this action. The director has just been commissioned from on high to work. The condition was that not the case of Stephany Flores would be discussed. That we met. There is nothing on our side at all inappropriately done. Everyone knew what would happen, no one is misled. "The reporter found that the lawyer of Joran but out of his neck chatting. "There is absolutely no question of corruption." According to Peter, the authorities admitted Beth "from humanity." "So all the excitement that now arises, I do not understand."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 09, 2010, 03:44:06 PM
Maximum Highness has been "chatting out his neck" since the beginning.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 09, 2010, 03:56:53 PM
snipped



THE INVOLVMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH

Peter Devries

Newsweek - February 8, 2008


Do you believe that the Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, were involved in any way?

Peter Devries:  No, not at all.  On the tapes Joran calls them stupid.  I don't believe they were involved.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/109260/page/3


THE COMPLETE STORY
How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


Peter Devries:  Jorans friends Deepak and Satish, who have been arrested for this case several times, are completely innocent.  Joran declares with pride that he has abused them to create an alibi for himself. He calls them “very stupid boys’.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/smileys/deadhorserepost.jpg)

http://tinyurl.com/http-beatingdeadhorse-com

JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 09, 2010, 03:57:32 PM
Maximum Highness has been "chatting out his neck" since the beginning.




  ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 09, 2010, 04:07:22 PM
snipped



THE INVOLVMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH

Peter Devries

Newsweek - February 8, 2008


Do you believe that the Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, were involved in any way?

Peter Devries:  No, not at all.  On the tapes Joran calls them stupid.  I don't believe they were involved.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/109260/page/3


THE COMPLETE STORY
How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


Peter Devries:  Jorans friends Deepak and Satish, who have been arrested for this case several times, are completely innocent.  Joran declares with pride that he has abused them to create an alibi for himself. He calls them “very stupid boys’.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/smileys/deadhorserepost.jpg)

http://tinyurl.com/http-beatingdeadhorse-com

JMO



WOW!!!   Four pages of Google references on Janet's repeat posts.  Reckon it has been posted enough?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Dihannah1 on November 09, 2010, 04:29:31 PM
I could be wrong but ... when the lawsuit filed by Joran's attorney is considered ... I have a hinky feeling that the two part video that can be accessed at his website is going to go "poof".  I believe that immediate downloading is where it is at.

Janet

+++++++


PART 1

Video - Beth Holloway and Peter Devries - Extortion

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/het-gewetenloze-spel-van-joran-van-der-sloot/


PART 2

Video - Beth Holloway and Peter Devries - Face to Face

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/




Please let me know if this has been done.  I have not had a chance to view any them and one of the YouTube versions was removed. TIA

Do we have a good hiding place for monkeys ;)?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 09, 2010, 05:44:22 PM
I could be wrong but ... when the lawsuit filed by Joran's attorney is considered ... I have a hinky feeling that the two part video that can be accessed at his website is going to go "poof".  I believe that immediate downloading is where it is at.

Janet

+++++++


PART 1

Video - Beth Holloway and Peter Devries - Extortion

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/het-gewetenloze-spel-van-joran-van-der-sloot/


PART 2

Video - Beth Holloway and Peter Devries - Face to Face

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/




Please let me know if this has been done.  I have not had a chance to view any them and one of the YouTube versions was removed. TIA

Do we have a good hiding place for monkeys ;)?

Dihannah1

The last I checked both Part one and two are still on Peter Devries' website.  They have not gone"poof" and they may not.  However ... this computer illiterate was very fortunate.  My son was able to download both videos.  In otherwords ... it is has been backed up .... just in case.

Janet





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 09, 2010, 06:15:41 PM
I think the videos are only available for a few days on Peter's website.  IIRC, I read somewhere that the first video would be available until the 11th.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 09, 2010, 07:03:29 PM
Janet's post remind us (or me at least) about topics and jog my memory.  Sometimes I'm busy in other areas of the forum or with my personal life so I actually appreciate the reminders.  I realize that everyone is not in agreement but I would ask you simply scroll by if you don't want to read.  TIA  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 09, 2010, 07:16:23 PM
Janet's post remind us (or me at least) about topics and jog my memory.  Sometimes I'm busy in other areas of the forum or with my personal life so I actually appreciate the reminders.  I realize that everyone is not in agreement but I would ask you simply scroll by if you don't want to read.  TIA  ::MonkeyCool::


I find them insulting and I think many here feel that way.  There is nothing we can do about it,
but stay away or blow a fuse.  She has already told us that you will ban us if we issult her.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 09, 2010, 07:22:22 PM
After being in the presence of Deepak for an hour earlier today, are you convinced that he is involved in the disappearance of Natalee? 

HOLLOWAY: Oh, absolutely.  Anybody that was in there and saw him would agree 100 percent.  There wouldn’t be one person that didn’t believe that he had involvement if they would have been in there and witnessed and been in his presence.  There’s no one that wouldn’t believe that he has involvement.
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/8885950/


TIME IS A TICKING FOR THE LEPRECHAUNS

 ::MonkeyGavel::



I sincerely hope so.

In all of his so-called "confessions" Joran can distance the Kalpoes ... distance his father ... distance the former suspects in the Natalee Holloway case from implication in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 but ... it doesn't make it so.

When the archives are considered ... it is difficult to comprehend why there are still  those who insist on giving the Kalpoes a pass and ... it is also  difficult to comprehend why the Kalpoes are no longer suspects in the Natalee Holloway case.

Janet

++++++

Nancy Grace - August 26, 2006

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: We`ve known from day one Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are way deeply involved in this.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/26/ng.01.html



Most of those old quote stacks and reminders aren't worth the bandwith that it takes to print them.

Their revelance changes with the latest news and Joran "confession".
We all know with some certainty that the Kalpoes and Paulus were involved. IMO


Magnolia

There are many posts that I consider are not worth the bandwidth but ... that is only my opinion.  I just scroll by.

The words of Beth Holloway is the 2005 quote that Kermit posted and ... the words of Beth Holloway in the 2006 quote that I posted are relevant to the current happenings in the Dr. Phil case.  If you disagree.  That's OK.

Thank You.

Janet

+++++

klaasend
Forum Rules - Please Read


6.  We take the "Be Polite" rule very seriously. We do not tolerate any rudeness. Any member who is intentionally unpleasant or disruptive may be banned without warning.  No messages that harass, insult, belittle, or threaten another member. When posting, use the Golden Rule: treat others as you would like to be treated.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=post;topic=8719.360;num_replies=372



BUMPED


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 09, 2010, 07:36:06 PM
I would think that Forum Rule #6 should apply both ways...evidently not.

For someone who proclaims to "uphold the mother of Natalee Holloway" to bash the one person
who is trying to help her at this point is just an insult to those of us who are grateful to Peter for
trying to help Beth.

It isn't a simple disagreement.  It is a slap in the face in disguise.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 09, 2010, 07:41:48 PM
I would think that Forum Rule #6 should apply both ways...evidently not.

For someone who proclaims to "uphold the mother of Natalee Holloway" to bash the one person
who is trying to help her at this point is just an insult to those of us who are grateful to Peter for
trying to help Beth.

It isn't a simple disagreement.  It is a slap in the face in disguise.


Exactly!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

And I certainly don't appreciate Janet's REMINDERS about the forum rules, or her BUMPING those posts.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 09, 2010, 07:42:30 PM
John Walsh is on Entertainment Tonight.  He is praising Beth for having the courage to confront Joran.
Wishes he could get his hands on Joran.  He thinks that Joran is holding out the location of Natalee's
remains in order to get a lighter sentence.

John Walsh says "how many mothers would have the courage to confront the man who murdered
their daughter and another girl".  Says Joran is a coward of the worst degree.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Lifesong on November 09, 2010, 07:45:31 PM
Janet's post remind us (or me at least) about topics and jog my memory.  Sometimes I'm busy in other areas of the forum or with my personal life so I actually appreciate the reminders.  I realize that everyone is not in agreement but I would ask you simply scroll by if you don't want to read.  TIA  ::MonkeyCool::


I find them insulting and I think many here feel that way.  There is nothing we can do about it,
but stay away or blow a fuse.  She has already told us that you will ban us if we issult her.


I've been scrolling by regularly, as I'm not inclined to continue arguing the same points.  It must be said though, that the silence of no response may be taken by readers as passive agreement. 

It seems to me if I have a point to make, have made that point repeatedly and created threads of my own devoted to it (which I have), I would then be exhibiting poor manners (and a lack of consideration of others) by continuing to spam the main thread with the same data. 

Of course, that's just my opinion and I will continue doing as Klaas has asked.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 09, 2010, 07:45:55 PM
It does go both ways and I have not told anyone anything about banning anyone.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 09, 2010, 07:50:41 PM
Janet's post remind us (or me at least) about topics and jog my memory.  Sometimes I'm busy in other areas of the forum or with my personal life so I actually appreciate the reminders.  I realize that everyone is not in agreement but I would ask you simply scroll by if you don't want to read.  TIA  ::MonkeyCool::


I find them insulting and I think many here feel that way.  There is nothing we can do about it,
but stay away or blow a fuse.  She has already told us that you will ban us if we issult her.


I've been scrolling by regularly, as I'm not inclined to continue arguing the same points.  It must be said though, that the silence of no response may be taken by readers as passive agreement. 

It seems to me if I have a point to make, have made that point repeatedly and created threads of my own devoted to it (which I have), I would then be exhibiting poor manners (and a lack of consideration of others) by continuing to spam the main thread with the same data. 

Of course, that's just my opinion and I will continue doing as Klaas has asked.


 ::MonkeyCool::  Thank you Lifesong, very well stated!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 09, 2010, 07:57:08 PM
John Walsh in the second segment says that Joran is a 6'4" punk who beats little girls to death.

He thinks when Joran is out of the protection of solitary confinement the other inmates will beat
him to death.  (I hope so)

Says that the one thing the coward needs to do is tell Beth where her child is.

Walsh was appalled that Joran actually smiled a couple of times while talking to Beth.

There was a lot of vemon in John Walsh's voice.  Said that America's Most Wanted is still
working with Beth to try to resolve Natalee's case and still have a tip line open.
Said Beth is one brave woman.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 09, 2010, 07:58:38 PM
John Walsh is on Entertainment Tonight.  He is praising Beth for having the courage to confront Joran.
Wishes he could get his hands on Joran.  He thinks that Joran is holding out the location of Natalee's
remains in order to get a lighter sentence.

John Walsh says "how many mothers would have the courage to confront the man who murdered
their daughter and another girl".  Says Joran is a coward of the worst degree.


I agree with him completely!   ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks Magnolia!   ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 09, 2010, 08:00:51 PM
John Walsh in the second segment says that Joran is a 6'4" punk who beats little girls to death.

He thinks when Joran is out of the protection of solitary confinement the other inmates will beat
him to death.  (I hope so)

Says that the one thing the coward needs to do is tell Beth where her child is.

Walsh was appalled that Joran actually smiled a couple of times while talking to Beth.

There was a lot of vemon in John Walsh's voice.  Said that America's Most Wanted is still
working with Beth to try to resolve Natalee's case and still have a tip line open.
Said Beth is one brave woman.

I hope so too!   ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Lifesong on November 09, 2010, 08:02:12 PM
When I look at the videos of the deVries program, it seems to me that Beth has reached her
emotional limits.  She is still on her quest to find her child, but she is alone, except for Peter.

I have to wonder why her brothers aren't with her instead of defending Tim Miller.
My brother would have never let me take that journey into Castro Castro alone.  He would
have been right by my side. 

It hurts my heart to see Beth out there alone looking for Natalee.

Thanks for saying this, Magnolia.  I couldn't put my finger on why I couldn't post after watching the videos.  I was overwhelmed with emotion, of course, but felt completely at a loss to either express it or offer any comfort.  Beth's path as laid out by that monster Joran, that she continues to bravely walk for every mother of a daughter, has indeed robbed her of the life she so courageously built after her divorce.  None of it has been the least bit fair, she has given all and been treated terribly by some.

That she had to stand alone on the beach facing "infinity" is, I guess, symbolic of what she has faced and will continue to face.  Still, I wish there had been a loving arm around her and another heartbeat that had known and loved Natalee also within her reach.

Beth, I wish I had more tangible support to offer you.  I can assure you, however, that I'll still be here in five years when you look out over that ocean again.  My heart and my spirit are with you.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 09, 2010, 08:12:48 PM
I would think that Forum Rule #6 should apply both ways...evidently not.

For someone who proclaims to "uphold the mother of Natalee Holloway" to bash the one person
who is trying to help her at this point is just an insult to those of us who are grateful to Peter for
trying to help Beth.

It isn't a simple disagreement.  It is a slap in the face in disguise.

I am not bashing Peter Devries.  I am pointing out by revealing his own words that his position differs from Beth's position in regards to the involvement of the Kalpoes.

I am one with Klaas in regards to the latest interviews.  I am thankful.

Janet

++++++

klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #847 9/21/10 -
« Reply #750 on: September 25, 2010, 01:22:10 AM »


I'm on Natalee's side and I know Beth is on Natalee's side.  I'm proud that Beth was brave enough to face that monster in jail.  I know Peter is in it for the $$ and publicity just like Greta and the rest of them are.  It doesn't bother me that she used Peter as a vehicle to face him.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8546.msg1235844#msg1235844


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 09, 2010, 08:14:20 PM
When I look at the videos of the deVries program, it seems to me that Beth has reached her
emotional limits.  She is still on her quest to find her child, but she is alone, except for Peter.

I have to wonder why her brothers aren't with her instead of defending Tim Miller.
My brother would have never let me take that journey into Castro Castro alone.  He would
have been right by my side. 

It hurts my heart to see Beth out there alone looking for Natalee.

Thanks for saying this, Magnolia.  I couldn't put my finger on why I couldn't post after watching the videos.  I was overwhelmed with emotion, of course, but felt completely at a loss to either express it or offer any comfort.  Beth's path as laid out by that monster Joran, that she continues to bravely walk for every mother of a daughter, has indeed robbed her of the life she so courageously built after her divorce.  None of it has been the least bit fair, she has given all and been treated terribly by some.

That she had to stand alone on the beach facing "infinity" is, I guess, symbolic of what she has faced and will continue to face.  Still, I wish there had been a loving arm around her and another heartbeat that had known and loved Natalee also within her reach.

Beth, I wish I had more tangible support to offer you.  I can assure you, however, that I'll still be here in five years when you look out over that ocean again.  My heart and my spirit are with you.

I'll always support Beth too.  I've supported her from day one, this forum has been one venue for me to do so for years now.  But even if I'm not here, I'll never give up!  I'll always support Beth, and I'll never give up on JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 09, 2010, 08:17:52 PM
It does go both ways and I have not told anyone anything about banning anyone.

Klaas

I believe Magnolia is referring to post 609.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 09, 2010, 08:20:14 PM
I would think that Forum Rule #6 should apply both ways...evidently not.

For someone who proclaims to "uphold the mother of Natalee Holloway" to bash the one person
who is trying to help her at this point is just an insult to those of us who are grateful to Peter for
trying to help Beth.

It isn't a simple disagreement.  It is a slap in the face in disguise.

I am not bashing Peter Devries.  I am pointing out by revealing his own words that his position differs from Beth's position in regards to the involvement of the Kalpoes.

I am one with Klaas in regards to the latest interviews.  I am thankful.

Janet

++++++

klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #847 9/21/10 -
« Reply #750 on: September 25, 2010, 01:22:10 AM »


I'm on Natalee's side and I know Beth is on Natalee's side.  I'm proud that Beth was brave enough to face that monster in jail.  I know Peter is in it for the $$ and publicity just like Greta and the rest of them are.  It doesn't bother me that she used Peter as a vehicle to face him.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8546.msg1235844#msg1235844


You've taken those statements, as most of the rest of what you post, OUT OF CONTEXT.

You have no idea what Peter R. DeVries believes, nor do I believe you actually CARE what he believes.  You've tried to discredit him for as long as I can remember, with no regard for the fact that he has supported Beth and tried to help her, and SHE appreciates that. 
 ::MonkeyNoNo::


JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 09, 2010, 08:26:29 PM
It does go both ways and I have not told anyone anything about banning anyone.


If I wanted to insult her.  She would know that she had been insulted.  I have tried to be nice.
But it isn't fair to be accused of being insulting if you disagree

Remember the Dark Lard saying that he would find a way to bring the Natalee forum down?
I think he has done just that by eliminating all of the posters but one.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 09, 2010, 08:32:42 PM
When I look at the videos of the deVries program, it seems to me that Beth has reached her
emotional limits.  She is still on her quest to find her child, but she is alone, except for Peter.

I have to wonder why her brothers aren't with her instead of defending Tim Miller.
My brother would have never let me take that journey into Castro Castro alone.  He would
have been right by my side. 

It hurts my heart to see Beth out there alone looking for Natalee.

When Tim Miller's own dispicable words regarding Beth are considered in the Steph Watt's interview ... I do not have a clue where Private Eye is coming from in his upholding of Tim.  However ... I do know from post after post after post submitted to this forum that this man LOVES his sister with all his heart ... so I will give him the benefit of the doubt.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 09, 2010, 08:34:07 PM
It does go both ways and I have not told anyone anything about banning anyone.


If I wanted to insult her.  She would know that she had been insulted.  I have tried to be nice.
But it isn't fair to be accused of being insulting if you disagree

Remember the Dark Lard saying that he would find a way to bring the Natalee forum down?
I think he has done just that by eliminating all of the posters but one.

I think so too, he's been here all along, in more ways than one.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 09, 2010, 08:40:06 PM
When I look at the videos of the deVries program, it seems to me that Beth has reached her
emotional limits.  She is still on her quest to find her child, but she is alone, except for Peter.

I have to wonder why her brothers aren't with her instead of defending Tim Miller.
My brother would have never let me take that journey into Castro Castro alone.  He would
have been right by my side. 

It hurts my heart to see Beth out there alone looking for Natalee.

When Tim Miller's own dispicable words regarding Beth are considered in the Steph Watt's interview ... I do not have a clue where Private Eye is coming from in his upholding of Tim.  However ... I do know from post after post after post submitted to this forum that this man LOVES his sister with all his heart ... so I will give him the benefit of the doubt.

Janet



Funny how you get to pick and choose to whom you give the benefit of the doubt.
You don't allow others that priviledge.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 09, 2010, 08:44:28 PM
I would think that Forum Rule #6 should apply both ways...evidently not.

For someone who proclaims to "uphold the mother of Natalee Holloway" to bash the one person
who is trying to help her at this point is just an insult to those of us who are grateful to Peter for
trying to help Beth.

It isn't a simple disagreement.  It is a slap in the face in disguise.

I am not bashing Peter Devries.  I am pointing out by revealing his own words that his position differs from Beth's position in regards to the involvement of the Kalpoes.

I am one with Klaas in regards to the latest interviews.  I am thankful.

Janet

++++++

klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #847 9/21/10 -
« Reply #750 on: September 25, 2010, 01:22:10 AM »


I'm on Natalee's side and I know Beth is on Natalee's side.  I'm proud that Beth was brave enough to face that monster in jail.  I know Peter is in it for the $$ and publicity just like Greta and the rest of them are.  It doesn't bother me that she used Peter as a vehicle to face him.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8546.msg1235844#msg1235844


Klaas, I know you have to see what's being done here!  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 09, 2010, 08:46:01 PM
If you guys want to fight with each other FINE, I just don't have the desire to play middle man.  NO MATTER WHAT ANYONE THINKS OR WANTS, I will not close down the NH forum.  It will stay open until Beth tells us to quit or Natalee's remains are found and brought back home. 

So if ANYONE posting in this forum is working behind the scenes in an attempt to "bring the NH forum down", you might as well forget it.  NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 09, 2010, 08:47:22 PM
When I look at the videos of the deVries program, it seems to me that Beth has reached her
emotional limits.  She is still on her quest to find her child, but she is alone, except for Peter.

I have to wonder why her brothers aren't with her instead of defending Tim Miller.
My brother would have never let me take that journey into Castro Castro alone.  He would
have been right by my side. 

It hurts my heart to see Beth out there alone looking for Natalee.

When Tim Miller's own dispicable words regarding Beth are considered in the Steph Watt's interview ... I do not have a clue where Private Eye is coming from in his upholding of Tim.  However ... I do know from post after post after post submitted to this forum that this man LOVES his sister with all his heart ... so I will give him the benefit of the doubt.

Janet



Funny how you get to pick and choose to whom you give the benefit of the doubt.
You don't allow others that priviledge.

We all pick and choose who to give the benefit of the doubt for our own reasons and ... that is OK.  You pick Peter Devries ... I pick Beth's brother.

Agree to disagree.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 09, 2010, 08:48:30 PM
If you guys want to fight with each other FINE, I just don't have the desire to play middle man.  NO MATTER WHAT ANYONE THINKS OR WANTS, I will not close down the NH forum.  It will stay open until Beth tells us to quit or Natalee's remains are found and brought back home. 

So if ANYONE posting in this forum is working behind the scenes in an attempt to "bring the NH forum down", you might as well forget it.  NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.



 ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Lifesong on November 09, 2010, 08:56:53 PM
It does go both ways and I have not told anyone anything about banning anyone.


If I wanted to insult her.  She would know that she had been insulted.  I have tried to be nice.
But it isn't fair to be accused of being insulting if you disagree

Remember the Dark Lard saying that he would find a way to bring the Natalee forum down?
I think he has done just that by eliminating all of the posters but one.

I think so too, he's been here all along, in more ways than one.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

The original, fictional "dark lord" was known by several names and often worked through his  many 'minions'.

Just sayin'.  There's a reason we call him that.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 09, 2010, 09:04:58 PM
It does go both ways and I have not told anyone anything about banning anyone.


If I wanted to insult her.  She would know that she had been insulted.  I have tried to be nice.
But it isn't fair to be accused of being insulting if you disagree

Remember the Dark Lard saying that he would find a way to bring the Natalee forum down?
I think he has done just that by eliminating all of the posters but one.

I think so too, he's been here all along, in more ways than one.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

The original, fictional "dark lord" was known by several names and often worked through his  many 'minions'.

Just sayin'.  There's a reason we call him that.


It is a perfect name for him, Lifesong.  If I remember corectly, it was you who dubbed him that. ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 09, 2010, 09:19:42 PM
It does go both ways and I have not told anyone anything about banning anyone.

If I wanted to insult her.  She would know that she had been insulted.  I have tried to be nice.
But it isn't fair to be accused of being insulting if you disagree

Remember the Dark Lard saying that he would find a way to bring the Natalee forum down?
I think he has done just that by eliminating all of the posters but one.

I think so too, he's been here all along, in more ways than one.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

The original, fictional "dark lord" was known by several names and often worked through his  many 'minions'.

Just sayin'.  There's a reason we call him that.


From chit and grunt

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/cng_aka_chitngrunt/Observer_Yapperz_Janet_ONE.jpg)

Just sayin'   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 09, 2010, 09:21:58 PM
When I look at the videos of the deVries program, it seems to me that Beth has reached her
emotional limits.  She is still on her quest to find her child, but she is alone, except for Peter.

I have to wonder why her brothers aren't with her instead of defending Tim Miller.
My brother would have never let me take that journey into Castro Castro alone.  He would
have been right by my side. 

It hurts my heart to see Beth out there alone looking for Natalee.

When Tim Miller's own dispicable words regarding Beth are considered in the Steph Watt's interview ... I do not have a clue where Private Eye is coming from in his upholding of Tim.  However ... I do know from post after post after post submitted to this forum that this man LOVES his sister with all his heart ... so I will give him the benefit of the doubt.

Janet



Funny how you get to pick and choose to whom you give the benefit of the doubt.
You don't allow others that priviledge.

We all pick and choose who to give the benefit of the doubt for our own reasons and ... that is OK.  You pick Peter Devries ... I pick Beth's brother.

Agree to disagree.

Janet


Ah, but I am not bashing Beth's brother or quoting him out of context.  I don't know his thoughts and
don't pretend to.  I have not repeated my post 100 times and don't intend to. Therein lies the rub.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 09, 2010, 09:28:36 PM
FWIW - I don't know who people associate with outside of SM and since I can't do anything about it I don't care.  What I can tell you is that Janet has always posted from Canada and the same area of Canada. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 09, 2010, 09:33:39 PM
When I look at the videos of the deVries program, it seems to me that Beth has reached her
emotional limits.  She is still on her quest to find her child, but she is alone, except for Peter.

I have to wonder why her brothers aren't with her instead of defending Tim Miller.
My brother would have never let me take that journey into Castro Castro alone.  He would
have been right by my side. 

It hurts my heart to see Beth out there alone looking for Natalee.

When Tim Miller's own dispicable words regarding Beth are considered in the Steph Watt's interview ... I do not have a clue where Private Eye is coming from in his upholding of Tim.  However ... I do know from post after post after post submitted to this forum that this man LOVES his sister with all his heart ... so I will give him the benefit of the doubt.

Janet



Funny how you get to pick and choose to whom you give the benefit of the doubt.
You don't allow others that priviledge.

We all pick and choose who to give the benefit of the doubt for our own reasons and ... that is OK.  You pick Peter Devries ... I pick Beth's brother.

Agree to disagree.

Janet


Ah, but I am not bashing Beth's brother or quoting him out of context.  I don't know his thoughts and don't pretend to.  I have not repeated my post 100 times and don't intend to. Therein lies the rub.
::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 09, 2010, 09:38:28 PM

From chit and grunt

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/cng_aka_chitngrunt/Observer_Yapperz_Janet_ONE.jpg)

Just sayin'   ::MonkeyNoNo::


I have never received an email from Yapper.   I have never received an email from any Monkey following his/her defection to the GM forum.  There was a line drawn in the sand at that time and I have never crossed it.

For crying out loud.  The prodigal Monkeys uphold John Silvetti ... uphold Caps ... uphold Kyle Kingman.  Texasmom ... you know my stand on each of these characters.  For crying out loud ... I have entire created threads undermining them.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 09, 2010, 09:38:30 PM
FWIW - I don't know who people associate with outside of SM and since I can't do anything about it I don't care.  What I can tell you is that Janet has always posted from Canada and the same area of Canada. 


I don't think any of us dispute that she posts from the same area of Canada.  I won't say where.
It is who feeds her the posts that we are concerned with.  it has been observed for well over a year.

Klaas, I am not trying to be disrespectful of you or to cause you trouble, please understand that.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 09, 2010, 09:49:20 PM
FWIW - I don't know who people associate with outside of SM and since I can't do anything about it I don't care.  What I can tell you is that Janet has always posted from Canada and the same area of Canada. 

I don't really care who people associate with outside of SM either, it's not any of my business...and I don't usually make it my business.  (The snapshot from CnG was brought here by someone else, not sure who now.)  However, when someone consistently attempts to alienate forum members of a like cause to the point that many won't even post because of the excessive domination and aggravation of one; those associations raise questions in my mind.  Especially the associations that have been referenced.  Just because someone posts from the same place all the time, it doesn't necessarily mean those posts aren't being influenced or contributed to by others...right?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 09, 2010, 09:49:41 PM
FWIW - I don't know who people associate with outside of SM and since I can't do anything about it I don't care.  What I can tell you is that Janet has always posted from Canada and the same area of Canada. 


I don't think any of us dispute that she posts from the same area of Canada.  I won't say where.
It is who feeds her the posts that we are concerned with.  it has been observed for well over a year.

Klaas, I am not trying to be disrespectful of you or to cause you trouble, please understand that.

I know that nobody here is trying to cause me trouble but I hate the fighting.  I have enough on my hands as it is in the Kyron and Zahra threads right now.  The Zahra case is becoming one of the more horrendous ones I've ever followed. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 09, 2010, 09:50:59 PM
FWIW - I don't know who people associate with outside of SM and since I can't do anything about it I don't care.  What I can tell you is that Janet has always posted from Canada and the same area of Canada. 

I don't really care who people associate with outside of SM either, it's not any of my business...and I don't usually make it my business.  (The snapshot from CnG was brought here by someone else, not sure who now.)  However, when someone consistently attempts to alienate forum members of a like cause to the point that many won't even post because of the excessive domination and aggravation of one; those associations raise questions in my mind.  Especially the associations that have been referenced.  Just because someone posts from the same place all the time, it doesn't necessarily mean those posts aren't being influenced or contributed to by others...right?


Yes, that can and does happen.  I've seen it alot in the Caylee case.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: San on November 09, 2010, 09:54:44 PM

From chit and grunt

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/cng_aka_chitngrunt/Observer_Yapperz_Janet_ONE.jpg)

Just sayin'   ::MonkeyNoNo::


I have never received an email from Yapper.   I have never received an email from any Monkey following his/her defection to the GM forum.  There was a line drawn in the sand at that time and I have never crossed it.

For crying out loud.  The prodigal Monkeys uphold John Silvetti ... uphold Caps ... uphold Kyle Kingman.  Texasmom ... you know my stand on each of these characters.  For crying out loud ... I have entire created threads undermining them.

Janet

I believe you Tamikosmom.  That thought never crossed my mind.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: San on November 09, 2010, 09:56:35 PM
Why is everyone worried about a certain ex member.  Do they have the power to influence how you think.  You are here for a reason and they are banned for a reason.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 09, 2010, 09:56:38 PM
FWIW - I don't know who people associate with outside of SM and since I can't do anything about it I don't care.  What I can tell you is that Janet has always posted from Canada and the same area of Canada. 


I don't think any of us dispute that she posts from the same area of Canada.  I won't say where.
It is who feeds her the posts that we are concerned with.  it has been observed for well over a year.

Klaas, I am not trying to be disrespectful of you or to cause you trouble, please understand that.

Everybody knows who feeds my posts ... feeds my speculations.  I provide the forum with sources ... I provide the forum with the links.

Janet

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 09, 2010, 10:01:21 PM

From chit and grunt

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/cng_aka_chitngrunt/Observer_Yapperz_Janet_ONE.jpg)

Just sayin'   ::MonkeyNoNo::


I have never received an email from Yapper.   I have never received an email from any Monkey following his/her defection to the GM forum.  There was a line drawn in the sand at that time and I have never crossed it.

For crying out loud.  The prodigal Monkeys uphold John Silvetti ... uphold Caps ... uphold Kyle Kingman.  Texasmom ... you know my stand on each of these characters.  For crying out loud ... I have entire created threads undermining them.

Janet

I believe you Tamikosmom.  That thought never crossed my mind.

Thank you San.

 ::MonkeyTears::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: San on November 09, 2010, 10:06:47 PM
I wish everyone would stop fighting.  I don't like to see this.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 09, 2010, 10:13:52 PM
I wish everyone would stop fighting.  I don't like to see this.

I agree, San.  It doesn't help Natalee, or Beth, or Dave or their family.  Truthfully, it doesn't help any of us, either.  jmho



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 09, 2010, 10:15:08 PM
 ::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles - Keep them lit.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: wreck on November 09, 2010, 10:15:40 PM
My problem with all the "repetitive posts" is that they don't seem to engage the forum in a dialogue. They are meant to derail the discussion. I have tried and tried to respond in a meanigful rebuttal to some of these posts, but they are always ignored. For heaven's sake, please just spit out your opinion IN YOUR OWN WORDS. Quotes taken out of context and several years in age are just not relevant to what is happening TODAY. What I thought I knew 5 years ago is different than what I thought 3 years ago and often different in what I knew 3 months ago. Take what you believe, and tell us in your own words what you have learned in 5 1/2 years. Please, don't insult us by cramming OLD quotes down our throats. We are not all stupid, we take ALL facts into consideration and adapt with time. There I said it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 09, 2010, 10:16:28 PM

I have never received an email from Yapper.   I have never received an email from any Monkey following his/her defection to the GM forum.  There was a line drawn in the sand at that time and I have never crossed it.

For crying out loud.  The prodigal Monkeys uphold John Silvetti ... uphold Caps ... uphold Kyle Kingman.  Texasmom ... you know my stand on each of these characters.  For crying out loud ... I have entire created threads undermining them.

Janet

I believe you Tamikosmom.  That thought never crossed my mind.

Thank you San.

 ::MonkeyTears::

Janet

Thank you again San.

Good Night All.

Janet
7:15 PM

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Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 232
:  Without hope we are hungry. And on a very deep level, desperate. But no one has to be. What's so amazing is that we can feed each other. We can help each other. We have the power to give resilience to others who are fading. We can nourish each other's spirits and save one another from defeat and despair. Every one of us possesses this power to "love thy neighbor," and we need to use it every chance we get.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: San on November 09, 2010, 10:19:53 PM

I have never received an email from Yapper.   I have never received an email from any Monkey following his/her defection to the GM forum.  There was a line drawn in the sand at that time and I have never crossed it.

For crying out loud.  The prodigal Monkeys uphold John Silvetti ... uphold Caps ... uphold Kyle Kingman.  Texasmom ... you know my stand on each of these characters.  For crying out loud ... I have entire created threads undermining them.

Janet

I believe you Tamikosmom.  That thought never crossed my mind.

Thank you San.

 ::MonkeyTears::

Janet

Thank you again San.

Good Night All.

Janet
7:15 PM

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Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 232
:  Without hope we are hungry. And on a very deep level, desperate. But no one has to be. What's so amazing is that we can feed each other. We can help each other. We have the power to give resilience to others who are fading. We can nourish each other's spirits and save one another from defeat and despair. Every one of us possesses this power to "love thy neighbor," and we need to use it every chance we get.



You're welcome Tamikosmom.  Have a good night.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 09, 2010, 10:21:29 PM
I don't think any of us here enjoy the unpleasantness, but sometime things have to come to a head.
We have seen posters here drop away one by one due to being browbeaten with repeated postings.

It becomes fruitless to try to counter the posts when you are accused of being rude or insulting if you
disagree.  It is easier to just go away, as many have done.

I don't think anybody here is afraid of the Dark Lard, but we do not enjoy having his minions here among us.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 09, 2010, 10:24:22 PM
My problem with all the "repetitive posts" is that they don't seem to engage the forum in a dialogue. They are meant to derail the discussion. I have tried and tried to respond in a meanigful rebuttal to some of these posts, but they are always ignored. For heaven's sake, please just spit out your opinion IN YOUR OWN WORDS. Quotes taken out of context and several years in age are just not relevant to what is happening TODAY. What I thought I knew 5 years ago is different than what I thought 3 years ago and often different in what I knew 3 months ago. Take what you believe, and tell us in your own words what you have learned in 5 1/2 years. Please, don't insult us by cramming OLD quotes down our throats. We are not all stupid, we take ALL facts into consideration and adapt with time. There I said it.

And you said it so well ::MonkeyDance::

I totally agree with you.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 09, 2010, 10:28:01 PM
My problem with all the "repetitive posts" is that they don't seem to engage the forum in a dialogue. They are meant to derail the discussion. I have tried and tried to respond in a meanigful rebuttal to some of these posts, but they are always ignored. For heaven's sake, please just spit out your opinion IN YOUR OWN WORDS. Quotes taken out of context and several years in age are just not relevant to what is happening TODAY. What I thought I knew 5 years ago is different than what I thought 3 years ago and often different in what I knew 3 months ago. Take what you believe, and tell us in your own words what you have learned in 5 1/2 years. Please, don't insult us by cramming OLD quotes down our throats. We are not all stupid, we take ALL facts into consideration and adapt with time. There I said it.

You're absolutely right wreck, and I've missed you!  ::MonkeyKiss::  ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: San on November 09, 2010, 10:29:41 PM
My problem with all the "repetitive posts" is that they don't seem to engage the forum in a dialogue. They are meant to derail the discussion. I have tried and tried to respond in a meanigful rebuttal to some of these posts, but they are always ignored. For heaven's sake, please just spit out your opinion IN YOUR OWN WORDS. Quotes taken out of context and several years in age are just not relevant to what is happening TODAY. What I thought I knew 5 years ago is different than what I thought 3 years ago and often different in what I knew 3 months ago. Take what you believe, and tell us in your own words what you have learned in 5 1/2 years. Please, don't insult us by cramming OLD quotes down our throats. We are not all stupid, we take ALL facts into consideration and adapt with time. There I said it.

After five years my opinion hasn't changed as to what I think happened to Natalee.  So posting information over and over again doesn't bother me because I believe what I want to believe.

If you want to know who I thought was insulting it was a person called CAPSLOCK and Kyle Kingman.  Kyle Kingman thought he was smarter than everyone else. But in my opinion he was just another coward/sneak in this world.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: San on November 09, 2010, 10:36:30 PM
Ladies and Gentlemen we have all been here too long to start fighting amongst ourselves.  You may not agree with Tamikosmom's posting but she has also provided a lot of information especially when someone was looking for a link to an article or a post which she has right at her fingertips.

We all contribute in different ways.  We all rely on each other.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Blue Moon on November 09, 2010, 10:37:56 PM
My problem with all the "repetitive posts" is that they don't seem to engage the forum in a dialogue. They are meant to derail the discussion. I have tried and tried to respond in a meanigful rebuttal to some of these posts, but they are always ignored. For heaven's sake, please just spit out your opinion IN YOUR OWN WORDS. Quotes taken out of context and several years in age are just not relevant to what is happening TODAY. What I thought I knew 5 years ago is different than what I thought 3 years ago and often different in what I knew 3 months ago. Take what you believe, and tell us in your own words what you have learned in 5 1/2 years. Please, don't insult us by cramming OLD quotes down our throats. We are not all stupid, we take ALL facts into consideration and adapt with time. There I said it.

After five years my opinion hasn't changed as to what I think happened to Natalee.  So posting information over and over again doesn't bother me because I believe what I want to believe.

If you want to know who I thought was insulting it was a person called CAPSLOCK and Kyle Kingman.  Kyle Kingman thought he was smarter than everyone else. But in my opinion he was just another coward/sneak in this world.

You are so right San.  Both Caps and Kyle were like a lot of people involved in this case in that they were using Natalee and the tragedy this family has gone through to profit off of it. 

I still read here every day.  Beth will forever be in my heart.  Natalee and Stephanie deserved to live their lives to the fullest and this Monster who sits in prison (I am beginning to have doubts about that prison) with his smug face needs to be done in now and I hope he burns in hell for what he has done to both families.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 09, 2010, 10:39:54 PM
http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/10292010_BethNoteToPeter.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/10292010_BethNoteToPeter3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: San on November 09, 2010, 10:41:18 PM
My problem with all the "repetitive posts" is that they don't seem to engage the forum in a dialogue. They are meant to derail the discussion. I have tried and tried to respond in a meanigful rebuttal to some of these posts, but they are always ignored. For heaven's sake, please just spit out your opinion IN YOUR OWN WORDS. Quotes taken out of context and several years in age are just not relevant to what is happening TODAY. What I thought I knew 5 years ago is different than what I thought 3 years ago and often different in what I knew 3 months ago. Take what you believe, and tell us in your own words what you have learned in 5 1/2 years. Please, don't insult us by cramming OLD quotes down our throats. We are not all stupid, we take ALL facts into consideration and adapt with time. There I said it.

After five years my opinion hasn't changed as to what I think happened to Natalee.  So posting information over and over again doesn't bother me because I believe what I want to believe.

If you want to know who I thought was insulting it was a person called CAPSLOCK and Kyle Kingman.  Kyle Kingman thought he was smarter than everyone else. But in my opinion he was just another coward/sneak in this world.

You are so right San.  Both Caps and Kyle were like a lot of people involved in this case in that they were using Natalee and the tragedy this family has gone through to profit off of it. 

I still read here every day.  Beth will forever be in my heart.  Natalee and Stephanie deserved to live their lives to the fullest and this Monster who sits in prison (I am beginning to have doubts about that prison) with his smug face needs to be done in now and I hope he burns in hell for what he has done to both families.

Exactly Blue Moon.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 09, 2010, 10:50:05 PM
Ladies and Gentlemen we have all been here too long to start fighting amongst ourselves.  You may not agree with Tamikosmom's posting but she has also provided a lot of information especially when someone was looking for a link to an article or a post which she has right at her fingertips.

We all contribute in different ways.  We all rely on each other.

And we're all supposed to be here for Natalee and her family and Stephany and her family.  I know I am, and when those who are dearest to Beth's heart are being discredited; I'm saying something.

This is nothing new.  Those of us who are here most of the time get more frustrated than those who stop in occasionally.  It wears on us.  There was a time when I found Janet's posts helpful and/or informative, unfortunately...that was a long time ago.

I don't like to fight either, that's not what I'm here for.  Sometimes I feel like I don't have a choice.  It's either throw in the towel and leave...or fight!

btw, just because I didn't respond to something; that doesn't mean I believe it.

JMHO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: San on November 09, 2010, 10:55:22 PM
Ladies and Gentlemen we have all been here too long to start fighting amongst ourselves.  You may not agree with Tamikosmom's posting but she has also provided a lot of information especially when someone was looking for a link to an article or a post which she has right at her fingertips.

We all contribute in different ways.  We all rely on each other.

And we're all supposed to be here for Natalee and her family and Stephany and her family.  I know I am, and when those who are dearest to Beth's heart are being discredited; I'm saying something.

This is nothing new.  Those of us who are here most of the time get more frustrated than those who stop in occasionally.  It wears on us.  There was a time when I found Janet's posts helpful and/or informative, unfortunately...that was a long time ago.

I don't like to fight either, that's not what I'm here for.  Sometimes I feel like I don't have a choice.  It's either throw in the towel and leave...or fight!

btw, just because I didn't respond to something; that doesn't mean I believe it.

JMHO

I don't want anyone throwing in the towel.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Blue Moon on November 09, 2010, 10:56:44 PM
Just to be clear, I don't "just stop in occasionally", I am here all the time, every day of the week.  I am like a lot in that I stay in the rafters and read mostly.  I read everything that is posted and sometimes I sign in and make my statement and then it's back to the rafters I go.  I read everything that TM posts and I sometimes read what Janet posts (but mostly I pass them by as I can almost repeat them verbatim).  I give credit to TM for keeping us up to date and I give credit also to Janet for her dedication.  That's all I can say tonight, bedtime calls.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Kermit on November 09, 2010, 10:58:43 PM
When I look at the videos of the deVries program, it seems to me that Beth has reached her
emotional limits.  She is still on her quest to find her child, but she is alone, except for Peter.

I have to wonder why her brothers aren't with her instead of defending Tim Miller.
My brother would have never let me take that journey into Castro Castro alone.  He would
have been right by my side. 

It hurts my heart to see Beth out there alone looking for Natalee.

If you don't mind I would like to answer this speculation and tell you that Beth is not alone and not without her brothers as well as others helping her.

::MonkeyCool::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 09, 2010, 11:00:08 PM
Ladies and Gentlemen we have all been here too long to start fighting amongst ourselves.  You may not agree with Tamikosmom's posting but she has also provided a lot of information especially when someone was looking for a link to an article or a post which she has right at her fingertips.

We all contribute in different ways.  We all rely on each other.

And we're all supposed to be here for Natalee and her family and Stephany and her family.  I know I am, and when those who are dearest to Beth's heart are being discredited; I'm saying something.

This is nothing new.  Those of us who are here most of the time get more frustrated than those who stop in occasionally.  It wears on us.  There was a time when I found Janet's posts helpful and/or informative, unfortunately...that was a long time ago.

I don't like to fight either, that's not what I'm here for.  Sometimes I feel like I don't have a choice.  It's either throw in the towel and leave...or fight!

btw, just because I didn't respond to something; that doesn't mean I believe it.


JMHO

You make an excellent point that I really wasn't thinking about.  You have no idea how many times a day (not necessarily pertaining to this case) I don't respond to a post either in the forum or the front page because I disagree so vehemently to the majority that I simply bite my tongue.  I sometimes wonder why I stay (again not pertaining to this case or any case in particular).

Anyway, not responding to a post IN NO WAY means agreement with it as far as I'm concerned.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 09, 2010, 11:04:09 PM
Ladies and Gentlemen we have all been here too long to start fighting amongst ourselves.  You may not agree with Tamikosmom's posting but she has also provided a lot of information especially when someone was looking for a link to an article or a post which she has right at her fingertips.

We all contribute in different ways.  We all rely on each other.

And we're all supposed to be here for Natalee and her family and Stephany and her family.  I know I am, and when those who are dearest to Beth's heart are being discredited; I'm saying something.

This is nothing new.  Those of us who are here most of the time get more frustrated than those who stop in occasionally.  It wears on us.  There was a time when I found Janet's posts helpful and/or informative, unfortunately...that was a long time ago.

I don't like to fight either, that's not what I'm here for.  Sometimes I feel like I don't have a choice.  It's either throw in the towel and leave...or fight!

btw, just because I didn't respond to something; that doesn't mean I believe it.

JMHO

I don't want anyone throwing in the towel.

But you don't want us fighting either.  What shall we do?  Just let things that we don't believe to
be true pass as truth.  I really don't know.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Kermit on November 09, 2010, 11:04:11 PM
love you all -

let's use the upset and kick some buttinsky and get Natalee HOME in AMERICA!


ribbit.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 09, 2010, 11:06:36 PM
When I look at the videos of the deVries program, it seems to me that Beth has reached her
emotional limits.  She is still on her quest to find her child, but she is alone, except for Peter.

I have to wonder why her brothers aren't with her instead of defending Tim Miller.
My brother would have never let me take that journey into Castro Castro alone.  He would
have been right by my side. 

It hurts my heart to see Beth out there alone looking for Natalee.

If you don't mind I would like to answer this speculation and tell you that Beth is not alone and not without her brothers as well as others helping her.

::MonkeyCool::





Thank you, Kermit.  That really makes me feel better.  I was so sad for her. ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Dihannah1 on November 09, 2010, 11:07:37 PM
I could be wrong but ... when the lawsuit filed by Joran's attorney is considered ... I have a hinky feeling that the two part video that can be accessed at his website is going to go "poof".  I believe that immediate downloading is where it is at.

Janet

+++++++


PART 1

Video - Beth Holloway and Peter Devries - Extortion

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/het-gewetenloze-spel-van-joran-van-der-sloot/


PART 2

Video - Beth Holloway and Peter Devries - Face to Face

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/




Please let me know if this has been done.  I have not had a chance to view any them and one of the YouTube versions was removed. TIA

Do we have a good hiding place for monkeys ;)?

Dihannah1

The last I checked both Part one and two are still on Peter Devries' website.  They have not gone"poof" and they may not.  However ... this computer illiterate was very fortunate.  My son was able to download both videos.  In otherwords ... it is has been backed up .... just in case.

Janet





Thanks Janet.  Just got my laptop back and pulled them up.  However,  I need an English version.  I can't understand a word he is saying.  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 09, 2010, 11:12:53 PM
Just to be clear, I don't "just stop in occasionally", I am here all the time, every day of the week.  I am like a lot in that I stay in the rafters and read mostly.  I read everything that is posted and sometimes I sign in and make my statement and then it's back to the rafters I go.  I read everything that TM posts and I sometimes read what Janet posts (but mostly I pass them by as I can almost repeat them verbatim).  I give credit to TM for keeping us up to date and I give credit also to Janet for her dedication.  That's all I can say tonight, bedtime calls.

Maybe I should have worded that differently, BlueMoon.  Thanks for responding!   ::MonkeyCool:: 
I'm glad you're here, and appreciate all of the other Monkey's in the rafters! ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyHeart::   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on November 09, 2010, 11:15:51 PM
Just to be clear, I don't "just stop in occasionally", I am here all the time, every day of the week.  I am like a lot in that I stay in the rafters and read mostly.  I read everything that is posted and sometimes I sign in and make my statement and then it's back to the rafters I go.  I read everything that TM posts and I sometimes read what Janet posts (but mostly I pass them by as I can almost repeat them verbatim).  I give credit to TM for keeping us up to date and I give credit also to Janet for her dedication.  That's all I can say tonight, bedtime calls.

Maybe I should have worded that differently, BlueMoon.  Thanks for responding!   ::MonkeyCool:: 
I'm glad you're here, and appreciate all of the other Monkey's in the rafters! ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyHeart::   


There are many of us reading daily from the rafters, and appreciate all you are doing.

Not entering into tonights "discussion" as I picture myself getting into enough trouble on another current thread here.

 ::koala::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 09, 2010, 11:16:47 PM
Ladies and Gentlemen we have all been here too long to start fighting amongst ourselves.  You may not agree with Tamikosmom's posting but she has also provided a lot of information especially when someone was looking for a link to an article or a post which she has right at her fingertips.

We all contribute in different ways.  We all rely on each other.

And we're all supposed to be here for Natalee and her family and Stephany and her family.  I know I am, and when those who are dearest to Beth's heart are being discredited; I'm saying something.

This is nothing new.  Those of us who are here most of the time get more frustrated than those who stop in occasionally.  It wears on us.  There was a time when I found Janet's posts helpful and/or informative, unfortunately...that was a long time ago.

I don't like to fight either, that's not what I'm here for.  Sometimes I feel like I don't have a choice.  It's either throw in the towel and leave...or fight!

btw, just because I didn't respond to something; that doesn't mean I believe it.


JMHO

You make an excellent point that I really wasn't thinking about.  You have no idea how many times a day (not necessarily pertaining to this case) I don't respond to a post either in the forum or the front page because I disagree so vehemently to the majority that I simply bite my tongue.  I sometimes wonder why I stay (again not pertaining to this case or any case in particular).

Anyway, not responding to a post IN NO WAY means agreement with it as far as I'm concerned.

 ::MonkeyCool::

You stay because that's the kind of person you are, and I'm so thankful for that.   ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 09, 2010, 11:17:42 PM
Ladies and Gentlemen we have all been here too long to start fighting amongst ourselves.  You may not agree with Tamikosmom's posting but she has also provided a lot of information especially when someone was looking for a link to an article or a post which she has right at her fingertips.

We all contribute in different ways.  We all rely on each other.

And we're all supposed to be here for Natalee and her family and Stephany and her family.  I know I am, and when those who are dearest to Beth's heart are being discredited; I'm saying something.

This is nothing new.  Those of us who are here most of the time get more frustrated than those who stop in occasionally.  It wears on us.  There was a time when I found Janet's posts helpful and/or informative, unfortunately...that was a long time ago.

I don't like to fight either, that's not what I'm here for.  Sometimes I feel like I don't have a choice.  It's either throw in the towel and leave...or fight!

btw, just because I didn't respond to something; that doesn't mean I believe it.


JMHO

You make an excellent point that I really wasn't thinking about.  You have no idea how many times a day (not necessarily pertaining to this case) I don't respond to a post either in the forum or the front page because I disagree so vehemently to the majority that I simply bite my tongue.  I sometimes wonder why I stay (again not pertaining to this case or any case in particular).

Anyway, not responding to a post IN NO WAY means agreement with it as far as I'm concerned.

I can relate, probably far less than you, Klaas.....

 :2notworthy: :smt020


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 09, 2010, 11:24:50 PM
Just to be clear, I don't "just stop in occasionally", I am here all the time, every day of the week.  I am like a lot in that I stay in the rafters and read mostly.  I read everything that is posted and sometimes I sign in and make my statement and then it's back to the rafters I go.  I read everything that TM posts and I sometimes read what Janet posts (but mostly I pass them by as I can almost repeat them verbatim).  I give credit to TM for keeping us up to date and I give credit also to Janet for her dedication.  That's all I can say tonight, bedtime calls.

Maybe I should have worded that differently, BlueMoon.  Thanks for responding!   ::MonkeyCool:: 
I'm glad you're here, and appreciate all of the other Monkey's in the rafters! ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyHeart::   


There are many of us reading daily from the rafters, and appreciate all you are doing.

Not entering into tonights "discussion" as I picture myself getting into enough trouble on another current thread here.

 ::koala::

Thanks Tibro!  I've popped in and read many of your contributions in another thread too...Thank You  ::MonkeyAngel:: ...but I haven't been over there much in the last day or two so I have no idea what trouble you may be in...hoping it will all work out! 

I started to change my clothes this evening, but I decided if I got into too much trouble and was frozen in time...I liked my fall clothes better.    ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 09, 2010, 11:29:44 PM
When I look at the videos of the deVries program, it seems to me that Beth has reached her
emotional limits.  She is still on her quest to find her child, but she is alone, except for Peter.

I have to wonder why her brothers aren't with her instead of defending Tim Miller.
My brother would have never let me take that journey into Castro Castro alone.  He would
have been right by my side. 

It hurts my heart to see Beth out there alone looking for Natalee.

If you don't mind I would like to answer this speculation and tell you that Beth is not alone and not without her brothers as well as others helping her.

::MonkeyCool::


That's very comforting to know, thank you Kermit!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 09, 2010, 11:37:03 PM
love you all -

let's use the upset and kick some buttinsky and get Natalee HOME in AMERICA!


ribbit.

love you too, kermie!   ::MonkeyKiss::

 ::MonkeyDance:: Any suggestions on where to place some emphasis, to help speed that process? 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Dihannah1 on November 09, 2010, 11:50:42 PM
Ladies and Gentlemen we have all been here too long to start fighting amongst ourselves.  You may not agree with Tamikosmom's posting but she has also provided a lot of information especially when someone was looking for a link to an article or a post which she has right at her fingertips.

We all contribute in different ways.  We all rely on each other.

Trying to catch up here and obvisouly have missed something.  However, I will opine on what I percieve the problem is, which quite frankly shocks me. Janet has been a plethora of info and I for the life of me cannot imagine  how coming up with the quotes in books, etc for 5 years as quickly as she does.  I am in complete awe of her talent.  Being here from the beginning,  I have seen peope come and go, offer up great thoughts and IMO not so great thouths, and I have also have seen disagreements, where as we, as adults, with different backgrounds, life experiences, different personalities are always going to have disagreements.  THATS LIFE!  The most important thing is we MUST agree to disagree!  I for one agree with the Klaas and mods.  This is about Natalee.  If you disagree, speak your peace in a respectful manner and then skip past those you don't if need be.   But by all means, we are all adults and friends.  It breaks my heart to see another member talked down about.  I trust Klass and mods judgement and let it go. 

We are all here for the same reasons, no matter your opinion, right or wrong.  Everybody has one.  Our mods are on top of things and what others may do outside this forum is there business, as it is yours.  Please let it go..... and stick to what is important!  The tragedies others face!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on November 10, 2010, 12:02:33 AM
Just to be clear, I don't "just stop in occasionally", I am here all the time, every day of the week.  I am like a lot in that I stay in the rafters and read mostly.  I read everything that is posted and sometimes I sign in and make my statement and then it's back to the rafters I go.  I read everything that TM posts and I sometimes read what Janet posts (but mostly I pass them by as I can almost repeat them verbatim).  I give credit to TM for keeping us up to date and I give credit also to Janet for her dedication.  That's all I can say tonight, bedtime calls.

Maybe I should have worded that differently, BlueMoon.  Thanks for responding!   ::MonkeyCool:: 
I'm glad you're here, and appreciate all of the other Monkey's in the rafters! ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyHeart::   


There are many of us reading daily from the rafters, and appreciate all you are doing.

Not entering into tonights "discussion" as I picture myself getting into enough trouble on another current thread here.

 ::koala::

Thanks Tibro!  I've popped in and read many of your contributions in another thread too...Thank You  ::MonkeyAngel:: ...but I haven't been over there much in the last day or two so I have no idea what trouble you may be in...hoping it will all work out! 

I started to change my clothes this evening, but I decided if I got into too much trouble and was frozen in time...I liked my fall clothes better.    ::MonkeyDevil::


 ::MonkeyHeart::

I just have to keep sitting on my paws.  So far so good.

 ::koaladancing:: ::koaladancing:: ::koaladancing:: ::koaladancing:: ::koaladancing:: ::koaladancing:: ::koaladancing:: ::koaladancing::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: camochance on November 10, 2010, 12:07:13 AM
love you all -

let's use the upset and kick some buttinsky and get Natalee HOME in AMERICA!


ribbit.

Well said (from a rafter)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 10, 2010, 12:08:02 AM
Just to be clear, I don't "just stop in occasionally", I am here all the time, every day of the week.  I am like a lot in that I stay in the rafters and read mostly.  I read everything that is posted and sometimes I sign in and make my statement and then it's back to the rafters I go.  I read everything that TM posts and I sometimes read what Janet posts (but mostly I pass them by as I can almost repeat them verbatim).  I give credit to TM for keeping us up to date and I give credit also to Janet for her dedication.  That's all I can say tonight, bedtime calls.

Maybe I should have worded that differently, BlueMoon.  Thanks for responding!   ::MonkeyCool:: 
I'm glad you're here, and appreciate all of the other Monkey's in the rafters! ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyHeart::   


There are many of us reading daily from the rafters, and appreciate all you are doing.

Not entering into tonights "discussion" as I picture myself getting into enough trouble on another current thread here.

 ::koala::

Thanks Tibro!  I've popped in and read many of your contributions in another thread too...Thank You  ::MonkeyAngel:: ...but I haven't been over there much in the last day or two so I have no idea what trouble you may be in...hoping it will all work out! 

I started to change my clothes this evening, but I decided if I got into too much trouble and was frozen in time...I liked my fall clothes better.    ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyHeart::

I just have to keep sitting on my paws.  So far so good.

 ::koaladancing:: ::koaladancing:: ::koaladancing:: ::koaladancing:: ::koaladancing:: ::koaladancing:: ::koaladancing:: ::koaladancing::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: billb's daughter on November 10, 2010, 01:16:56 AM
Janet's post remind us (or me at least) about topics and jog my memory.  Sometimes I'm busy in other areas of the forum or with my personal life so I actually appreciate the reminders.  I realize that everyone is not in agreement but I would ask you simply scroll by if you don't want to read.  TIA  ::MonkeyCool::
Just jumping in before I read ahead.....
I scroll by lots of posts.....but I always read Janet for the reminders.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: billb's daughter on November 10, 2010, 01:45:52 AM
Most of you know I've had my ups and downs in this forum......
I was a newcomer that was embraced by many of you and then frowned on by many of you....
I was liked for my opinion and then disliked for my opinion....
I'm here for Natalee, Beth, Dave...their family and extended family (that certainly includes the dedicated Monkeys!)...
Bringing Natalee home is my most sincere desire........ ::MonkeyAngel::
I'll read here as long as it takes....and probably make comments that are liked and disliked...
But I'll always hold this forum and the people who post here as very special people.....because of their support for Natalee...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: billb's daughter on November 10, 2010, 01:52:21 AM
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Goodnight Good Monkeys.......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: billb's daughter on November 10, 2010, 02:11:55 AM
My problem with all the "repetitive posts" is that they don't seem to engage the forum in a dialogue. They are meant to derail the discussion. I have tried and tried to respond in a meanigful rebuttal to some of these posts, but they are always ignored. For heaven's sake, please just spit out your opinion IN YOUR OWN WORDS. Quotes taken out of context and several years in age are just not relevant to what is happening TODAY. What I thought I knew 5 years ago is different than what I thought 3 years ago and often different in what I knew 3 months ago. Take what you believe, and tell us in your own words what you have learned in 5 1/2 years. Please, don't insult us by cramming OLD quotes down our throats. We are not all stupid, we take ALL facts into consideration and adapt with time. There I said it.
wreck...with all due respect:
They are meant to derail the discussion.
I don't see it that way......
I appreciate the reminders...not offended at all...I'll scroll by if I've seen the posts....
Here's what I don't get....why do some take offense and get angry? Do some feel this is their forum and resent comments that don't reflect their own opinion? are some annoyed that the discussion is thrown off track? or?
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: billb's daughter on November 10, 2010, 02:18:02 AM
When you have the same people agreeing with each other all the time....and against an individual or two or three most of the time....is dialog limited? If so....how does that help?
Stay cool Monkeys.......
Justice for Natalee is just around the corner.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 10, 2010, 04:01:58 AM
When I look at the videos of the deVries program, it seems to me that Beth has reached her
emotional limits.  She is still on her quest to find her child, but she is alone, except for Peter.

I have to wonder why her brothers aren't with her instead of defending Tim Miller.
My brother would have never let me take that journey into Castro Castro alone.  He would
have been right by my side. 

It hurts my heart to see Beth out there alone looking for Natalee.

Thanks for saying this, Magnolia.  I couldn't put my finger on why I couldn't post after watching the videos.  I was overwhelmed with emotion, of course, but felt completely at a loss to either express it or offer any comfort.  Beth's path as laid out by that monster Joran, that she continues to bravely walk for every mother of a daughter, has indeed robbed her of the life she so courageously built after her divorce.  None of it has been the least bit fair, she has given all and been treated terribly by some.

That she had to stand alone on the beach facing "infinity" is, I guess, symbolic of what she has faced and will continue to face.  Still, I wish there had been a loving arm around her and another heartbeat that had known and loved Natalee also within her reach.

Beth, I wish I had more tangible support to offer you.  I can assure you, however, that I'll still be here in five years when you look out over that ocean again.  My heart and my spirit are with you.

I feel the way you two feel, Magnolia and lifesong. I wasn't ready to post a reaction after watching the video, either. Beth is still looking for Natalee. I think that maybe Peter and many others wanted Beth to rant at Joran. That would have made sensational news, but Beth has moved beyond the hatred. Her love for Natalee has won out and overpowered those feelings. I believe that Beth was acutely aware that she was face to face for the first and maybe last time since she knew Natalee was dead, with the one person who could fill in the blanks about Natalee and perhaps give her the means to retrieve her daughter. It makes sense that since she spoke from the heart, she did all she could to let everything else go and plead with him to give her what answers she needed purely related to the obligation she feels for Natalee.

I believe that Joran already being in prison helped her be able to do that. Her persuit of justice could produce no further results than what he was already experiencing. I think she was trying to tell him that during the conversation. I pray that in 5 years when she returns to Aruba with Peter, she can touch the water, content with the knowledge that it no longer holds Natalee. I hope she is able to take flowers to Natalee's well kept grave at home, before she makes the trip.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 10, 2010, 04:15:08 AM
I just want to say that you all mean very much to me. I hope all are sleeping with smiling angels watching over them. I want us all to be here together when Beth gets to bring Natalee home. Against all odds and logic, I believe it will happen.

Night!   ::MonkeyKiss2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Sharon/Tx on November 10, 2010, 06:44:31 AM
If you guys want to fight with each other FINE, I just don't have the desire to play middle man.  NO MATTER WHAT ANYONE THINKS OR WANTS, I will not close down the NH forum.  It will stay open until Beth tells us to quit or Natalee's remains are found and brought back home. 

So if ANYONE posting in this forum is working behind the scenes in an attempt to "bring the NH forum down", you might as well forget it.  NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

  I am happy to read this Klaasend because it is the one place I can still come to where people are as passionate as I am about finding not only Natalee but the truth.  Thank you!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: San on November 10, 2010, 07:03:16 AM
Ladies and Gentlemen we have all been here too long to start fighting amongst ourselves.  You may not agree with Tamikosmom's posting but she has also provided a lot of information especially when someone was looking for a link to an article or a post which she has right at her fingertips.

We all contribute in different ways.  We all rely on each other.

And we're all supposed to be here for Natalee and her family and Stephany and her family.  I know I am, and when those who are dearest to Beth's heart are being discredited; I'm saying something.

This is nothing new.  Those of us who are here most of the time get more frustrated than those who stop in occasionally.  It wears on us.  There was a time when I found Janet's posts helpful and/or informative, unfortunately...that was a long time ago.

I don't like to fight either, that's not what I'm here for.  Sometimes I feel like I don't have a choice.  It's either throw in the towel and leave...or fight!

btw, just because I didn't respond to something; that doesn't mean I believe it.

JMHO

I don't want anyone throwing in the towel.

But you don't want us fighting either.  What shall we do?  Just let things that we don't believe to
be true pass as truth.  I really don't know.


The people I have disagreed with over the past few years have really said bad things about Natalee and Beth.  There were also former members who were trying to force their opinions on us as the truth.  They even held a former member who was spewing his untruths out and I laughed at how easy it was to see through him. You know the people were are speaking about.  People who came on here for a short period of time and claimed they had information and how everything had to be kept hush hush.  We had other members and even an ex mod falling over themselves at every word he spoke. Those are the type of people I can't stand and have no respect for.

I think it's time for me to throw in the towel and call it a day.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Sharon/Tx on November 10, 2010, 07:03:37 AM
Gosh.  It makes me sad that everyone is so upset.  We are all so passionate about finding justice for Natalee and Stephany and the 5 years has taken a toll on her family and us.  Stay strong.  God forbid if anything happened to my family, I would want all of you monkeys there for me and supporting me the way you do Natalee's family.  This forum is the best one out there and it is because of the people on it.  No one usually responds or speaks to me but I feel the commitment and the passion in every post.  There is a camaraderie here and it feels good nonetheless.  Here is a fresh cup of coffee \_/? and some banana bread [:::], hugs to all.  May all the rats in Peru find Joran's hole......... err his potty hole, you know!  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on November 10, 2010, 07:15:21 AM
Gosh.  It makes me sad that everyone is so upset.  We are all so passionate about finding justice for Natalee and Stephany and the 5 years has taken a toll on her family and us.  Stay strong.  God forbid if anything happened to my family, I would want all of you monkeys there for me and supporting me the way you do Natalee's family.  This forum is the best one out there and it is because of the people on it. No one usually responds or speaks to me but I feel the commitment and the passion in every post.  There is a camaraderie here and it feels good nonetheless.  Here is a fresh cup of coffee \_/? and some banana bread [:::], hugs to all.  May all the rats in Peru find Joran's hole......... err his potty hole, you know!  ::MonkeyKiss::

Good morning Sharon.  (http://bestsmileys.com/coffee/2.gif)  Please don't think for one second that just because you feel no one usually responds or speaks to you that you are being ignored.  ::MonkeyEek::  You as a person and as a poster and what you have to say is as important as anyone else on this forum.   ::rhino::    You are part of the fabric of Scared Monkeys and I think it's wonderful you are here and you have the passion and commitment to be here and stay here for Natalee.   ::bananadance:: ::bananadance::  I buzz around Scared Monkeys  ::bee:: and read a lot, update with posting articles and such, but I don't always post greetings or I may see a monkeys post later on a page or more later and don't post a reply.    I see you and recognize you as a fellow monkey Sharon.   ::MonkeyKiss2::  It's good to see you  ::dogwag::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on November 10, 2010, 08:35:26 AM

Good morning  Frijole, yucatexan, wreck, Serenity and 9 Guests (http://bestsmileys.com/coffee/3.gif)   ::bee::  I think I've had enough coffee  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Dihannah1 on November 10, 2010, 09:23:39 AM
Good Morning all the lovely Monkeys!  Just want to say thank you for everybody here and I cherish you all!  I am at work, so yes, typically in the rafters, but barely miss a day to catch up on the several horrid cases out there.  (And WE think WE have problems!?)   Remember, this thread is what brought most of us together and we are still here after 5 years.  That has to account for something, huh?  I'd call it loyalty, passion, seeking justice,  (I could go on, but won't) in many fashions, no matter HOW we look at it!  I admit, I have gotten angry with certain people over the years, here and other threads.  I spoke my peace and moved on, maybe even shook a few feathers along the way.    Thanks to Klaas for forgiving me, and understanding my passion at times and NOT banning me!  LOL.   

I will always support Beth and family, no matter what!  Please nobody be mad and upset today.  We don't know what it's like to walk in anothers shoes.......

Have a great day and will be reading from the rafters.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on November 10, 2010, 09:34:09 AM
Hi Dihannah  ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Dihannah1 on November 10, 2010, 09:50:17 AM
Good Morning Muffy!

Ok, I have a couple questions, one might be silly, but I am curious.  Who is "Dark Lord/Lard"?   And is there versions of Devries shows in English?  Unless everybody on here suddenly knows Dutch, I am assuming there is an English version somewhere online i am missing, as I missed the actual USA shows.  Help?  Thanks!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Dihannah1 on November 10, 2010, 10:02:13 AM
O/T.  I am experiencing something odd here at work.  I can get SM up and read every thread. however, whenever I try to go view Zahra's thread, I get a firewall error and won't let me in.  What about the name would block it?   Just curious.....

So quiet in here this a.m., thought I'd check out some others and figured, that is where alot of monkeys are at....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 10, 2010, 10:13:40 AM
Dihannah - to answer your 2nd question first about the Zahra thread, I have no idea why it would allow you to come in this thread yet block the Zahra thread.  Makes no sense to me.  I'd ask you to check with your IT people but maybe that's not a great idea  ::MonkeyCool::

1st question  = Dark Lord/Lard used to be a moderator here.  HE is banned and is now posting over at RU.  He was a moderator here and was banned after editing posts out of anger and posting unbecoming a moderator.  We cannot say his name here as his name is filtered out like other bad words.  His nickname started with an "O". 

Many long time posters in this case were under the impression that the Dark Lord was more than one person posting, multiple personalities. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 10, 2010, 10:16:21 AM
Good Morning Muffy!

Ok, I have a couple questions, one might be silly, but I am curious.  Who is "Dark Lord/Lard"?   And is there versions of Devries shows in English?  Unless everybody on here suddenly knows Dutch, I am assuming there is an English version somewhere online i am missing, as I missed the actual USA shows.  Help?  Thanks!

The person you want identified used to post here and no longer does, is all I will say.   IIRC, you were away for a bit due to personal or health reasons, so it's very possible you missed it.

We have Dutch posters who occasionally drop by and translate articles for us.  I do not know if the DeVries videos will be translated at any time in the future or have subcaptions.

I don't know if the firewall error you are getting for Zahra is deliberate on your work end or here.  Maybe Klaas will know.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 10, 2010, 10:23:44 AM
 ::MonkeyTongue::

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 10, 2010, 10:24:30 AM
I could be wrong but ... when the lawsuit filed by Joran's attorney is considered ... I have a hinky feeling that the two part video that can be accessed at his website is going to go "poof".  I believe that immediate downloading is where it is at.

Janet

+++++++


PART 1

Video - Beth Holloway and Peter Devries - Extortion

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/het-gewetenloze-spel-van-joran-van-der-sloot/


PART 2

Video - Beth Holloway and Peter Devries - Face to Face

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/




Please let me know if this has been done.  I have not had a chance to view any them and one of the YouTube versions was removed. TIA

Do we have a good hiding place for monkeys ;)?

Dihannah1

The last I checked both Part one and two are still on Peter Devries' website.  They have not gone"poof" and they may not.  However ... this computer illiterate was very fortunate.  My son was able to download both videos.  In otherwords ... it is has been backed up .... just in case.

Janet


Thanks Janet.  Just got my laptop back and pulled them up.  However,  I need an English version.  I can't understand a word he is saying.  ::MonkeyEek::


Dihannah1

The Peter Deviries interview with Beth in Part One is in English and ... the face to face with Joran van der Sloot in Part Two is in English.

I am disappointed that the portions in Dutch do not have English ? at the bottom of the screen.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Lifesong on November 10, 2010, 10:33:41 AM
THE INVOLVMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH

Peter Devries

Newsweek - February 8, 2008


Do you believe that the Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, were involved in any way?

Peter Devries:  No, not at all.  On the tapes Joran calls them stupid.  I don't believe they were involved.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/109260/page/3


THE COMPLETE STORY
How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


Peter Devries:  Jorans friends Deepak and Satish, who have been arrested for this case several times, are completely innocent.  Joran declares with pride that he has abused them to create an alibi for himself. He calls them “very stupid boys’.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm



UPDATE 2010

"KNOWING WHAT HAPPENED, MORE OR LESS" - PETER R. DEVRIES


De confrontatie tussen Beth Holloway en Joran


56:43 (http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/)

Peter deVries:  So, Beth…this is where it all started, five years ago.  The crime scene.

Beth Holloway:  Yeah, the fisherman’s huts, and it’s where the beach is…

Peter deVries:  You have never been here before, have you?

Beth Holloway:  No.  There wasn’t any point in me coming here, at the time.

Peter deVries:  What does it do to you to stand here, knowing what happened, more or less?

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 10, 2010, 10:34:52 AM
Gosh.  It makes me sad that everyone is so upset.  We are all so passionate about finding justice for Natalee and Stephany and the 5 years has taken a toll on her family and us.  Stay strong.  God forbid if anything happened to my family, I would want all of you monkeys there for me and supporting me the way you do Natalee's family.  This forum is the best one out there and it is because of the people on it.  No one usually responds or speaks to me but I feel the commitment and the passion in every post.  There is a camaraderie here and it feels good nonetheless.  Here is a fresh cup of coffee \_/? and some banana bread [:::], hugs to all.  May all the rats in Peru find Joran's hole......... err his potty hole, you know!  ::MonkeyKiss::

I also want you to know that I read all of your posts and have seen some responses directed to you.  If I'm reading them a couple of hours after they've been posted and I don't have anything to add, I just keep reading.  It's no reflection on you, your posts, whatsoever.  I sometimes wish I could contribute more or express a thought as well as so many here do regularly. 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on November 10, 2010, 10:51:16 AM
Glad I had other obligations last night .....

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Lifesong on November 10, 2010, 10:53:46 AM

NO DAMAGES

Deepak's Words BEFORE The Dr. Phil Show


taken from the Transcript of Jamie Skeeters Tape w/Deepak Kalpoe (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=648.msg91866#msg91866)


"If you want me to take a polygraph for the show, you know.  I’ll talk it over with my attorney.  I’ll get back to you and (unintelligible)  But it’s not gonna help."

"I don't have any close friends anymore;  they're all gone."

"Everything is empty. The bottle is empty.  The party is...all gone."

"But as far as me going on camera, it still just doesn't matter.  Because at the end of the night, everyone, still, when they go to bed, they think, "these boys know something."  It's gonna come down to that, so we gave up on that a long time ago."

"Miami Dade college. All gone, it's over."

"It’s over for us.  You know?  As far as our careers, our schools…"

"No matter what we say…I mean, everything we say today, they just don’t believe us. At the end of the night, we still are suspects and stay... we’ll stay suspects."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=648.msg91866#msg91866


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: msmarple on November 10, 2010, 11:09:32 AM
A very heart-felt "Good Morning" to my Monkey acquaintences.

I seldom post any more because I usually don't have anything to offer. But I stay caught up with reading here - I keep a post-it with the last page I read. Sometimes I just feel the thread has moved on, too far beyond replying to a specific post anyway.

And I know that many of you have "sleuthed" what little we do know, to the Nth degree. That forms your respective opinions, and certainly your're entitled to that.

Having said all that - Couple of reminders:

1. It's not about us. It's about Natalee Holloway.

2. Sometimes it's good to step away from the computer and take 40,000 breaths or so. (Don't bother to count. Just calm down.)

Many posts (and a few sig lines) offend me, but it doesn't really matter. All that matters is to provide support, and advocate, for justice in this God-awful case.

God bless Natalee's family, especially as they approach another holiday season without Natalee.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Dihannah1 on November 10, 2010, 11:32:32 AM
Dihannah - to answer your 2nd question first about the Zahra thread, I have no idea why it would allow you to come in this thread yet block the Zahra thread.  Makes no sense to me.  I'd ask you to check with your IT people but maybe that's not a great idea  ::MonkeyCool::

1st question  = Dark Lord/Lard used to be a moderator here.  HE is banned and is now posting over at RU.  He was a moderator here and was banned after editing posts out of anger and posting unbecoming a moderator.  We cannot say his name here as his name is filtered out like other bad words.  His nickname started with an "O". 

Many long time posters in this case were under the impression that the Dark Lord was more than one person posting, multiple personalities. 

Thanks for the answers!  Yes, it is very strange, as I work in IT!  LOL, However, not that part of it.  And Yeah, prolly not a good idea to ask for help.  I'm luck I can get in here at all.  And as for the 2nd answer, I know exactly who you are talking about now, as I am embarrased to admit, I was involved in that lil' scuffle.  Just didn't know the new name. :D

Well, I guess off to read at Kyrons, I can get in there!   verrrryyy weird.....  Maybe a "Vampire" has taken overe my puter'.   Ok, not funny....  trying to keep it light today.. :D


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Dihannah1 on November 10, 2010, 11:37:03 AM
I could be wrong but ... when the lawsuit filed by Joran's attorney is considered ... I have a hinky feeling that the two part video that can be accessed at his website is going to go "poof".  I believe that immediate downloading is where it is at.

Janet

+++++++


PART 1

Video - Beth Holloway and Peter Devries - Extortion

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/het-gewetenloze-spel-van-joran-van-der-sloot/


PART 2

Video - Beth Holloway and Peter Devries - Face to Face

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/




Please let me know if this has been done.  I have not had a chance to view any them and one of the YouTube versions was removed. TIA

Do we have a good hiding place for monkeys ;)?

Dihannah1

The last I checked both Part one and two are still on Peter Devries' website.  They have not gone"poof" and they may not.  However ... this computer illiterate was very fortunate.  My son was able to download both videos.  In otherwords ... it is has been backed up .... just in case.

Janet


Thanks Janet.  Just got my laptop back and pulled them up.  However,  I need an English version.  I can't understand a word he is saying.  ::MonkeyEek::


Dihannah1

The Peter Deviries interview with Beth in Part One is in English and ... the face to face with Joran van der Sloot in Part Two is in English.

I am disappointed that the portions in Dutch do not have English ? at the bottom of the screen.

Janet

Hmmm, guess my patience was on the short side last night, as I didn't wait to get to that part.  The Dutch talk was really grating on my nerves, so stopped it before the english part.  I may try to listen again today.  Thanks for the Info!  Check back in awhile.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 10, 2010, 11:37:29 AM
A very heart-felt "Good Morning" to my Monkey acquaintences.

I seldom post any more because I usually don't have anything to offer. But I stay caught up with reading here - I keep a post-it with the last page I read. Sometimes I just feel the thread has moved on, too far beyond replying to a specific post anyway.

And I know that many of you have "sleuthed" what little we do know, to the Nth degree. That forms your respective opinions, and certainly your're entitled to that.

Having said all that - Couple of reminders:

1. It's not about us. It's about Natalee Holloway.

2. Sometimes it's good to step away from the computer and take 40,000 breaths or so. (Don't bother to count. Just calm down.)

Many posts (and a few sig lines) offend me, but it doesn't really matter. All that matters is to provide support, and advocate, for justice in this God-awful case.

God bless Natalee's family, especially as they approach another holiday season without Natalee.



Hi msmarple! I have a tip for you that might help you save some post it notes: If you click the word "new" on any thread from the menu, it automatically takes you to the last page you viewed. Here's a screen capture.....  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 10, 2010, 11:41:37 AM
Dihannah, the videos are well worth watching despite the language barrier, IMO. There's enough in English to be compelling, and since Beth's encounter with Joran and Stephany's brother are in English as well as conversations between her and Peter, it's not so bad. Just hang in there.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 10, 2010, 11:53:46 AM
I could be wrong but ... when the lawsuit filed by Joran's attorney is considered ... I have a hinky feeling that the two part video that can be accessed at his website is going to go "poof".  I believe that immediate downloading is where it is at.

Janet

+++++++


PART 1

Video - Beth Holloway and Peter Devries - Extortion

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/het-gewetenloze-spel-van-joran-van-der-sloot/


PART 2

Video - Beth Holloway and Peter Devries - Face to Face

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/




Please let me know if this has been done.  I have not had a chance to view any them and one of the YouTube versions was removed. TIA

Do we have a good hiding place for monkeys ;)?

Dihannah1

The last I checked both Part one and two are still on Peter Devries' website.  They have not gone"poof" and they may not.  However ... this computer illiterate was very fortunate.  My son was able to download both videos.  In otherwords ... it is has been backed up .... just in case.

Janet


Thanks Janet.  Just got my laptop back and pulled them up.  However,  I need an English version.  I can't understand a word he is saying.  ::MonkeyEek::


Dihannah1

The Peter Deviries interview with Beth in Part One is in English and ... the face to face with Joran van der Sloot in Part Two is in English.

I am disappointed that the portions in Dutch do not have English ? at the bottom of the screen.

Janet

Hmmm, guess my patience was on the short side last night, as I didn't wait to get to that part.  The Dutch talk was really grating on my nerves, so stopped it before the english part.  I may try to listen again today.  Thanks for the Info!  Check back in awhile.

Dihannah1 ... don't procrastinate too long.  Apparently ... Part One may no longer be available for viewing on the website after tomorrow.

Janet

+++++


Beth Hollowa:

'I wanted to peel the skin off his face. I'm thinking this is it, this is my one chance and I'll never get this chance again.

'My eyes met his and we were face to face. The only thing I had left in me was just to speak from the heart.'


http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/


Beth Holloway

'Tell me what happened. Let me take her home.'

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/



 

   



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on November 10, 2010, 12:37:20 PM
Beth Holloway

'Tell me what happened. Let me take her home.'



that made me  :smt089


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Dihannah1 on November 10, 2010, 01:17:24 PM
Dag!  I was going to listen at my desk, but it's asking to download MS SilverLight, which I can't as, our pc's are setup to not allow us to download anything at work.  I'll listen when I get home tonight.  I hope they are still up by then!

I'm also upset cause I want to read in Zahra's thread, with some of the news last night, but can't get in, and not much new in Kyron's thread.  Geesh, I may actually have to work for my pay today!  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: msmarple on November 10, 2010, 01:39:16 PM
Hi CBB Sweetie,

Thank you, I do know about the "new" button feature thingie.  It only works properly if you log on all the time. Mostly I just read from the rafters. But I am never far or long away from y'all.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 10, 2010, 02:04:49 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_80784.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Stephany Father Flores: "Joran will pay his lawyer with money TV shows'

November 10, 2010, 12:45 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY / LIMA - According to Ricardo Flores, the father of the murdered on May 30 Stephany Flores is Joran van der Sloot by the media paid to his TV appearances. This would pay for his defense. "I challenge his lawyer to challenge this statement," the tormented father's house.

Flores believes that Joran too is protected by Peruvian law. He denounces the fact that Joran in a separate wing of the prison stay. According to Flores he would be staying in relative luxury compared to the rest of the prison population. "It is unacceptable that such a person enjoying privileges."

The father of Stephany Flores has no good words for the broadcast of the confrontation between Joran van der Sloot and Beth in the Peruvian prison. He says the broadcast on Dutch and American television in sight, but not having seen, he states "undue burden" to have the fact that Joran was interviewed several times on TV. He feels "outrage" when he accused of murdering his young daughter on the tube will pass. "My whole family is currently undergoing psychiatric help and is on anti-depressants. This whole situation is very difficult for us. "Flores annoyed that Joran out several times from the Miguel Castro Castro prison misrepresentation in the media while he was still no official statement made by the Peruvian Court. The Flores family had on October 6 Joran's interview with Times reporter John van den Heuvel seen. "The killer said he Stephany came into the casino. She had asked him whether he had a girlfriend and he said no and asked her if she had a boyfriend and she had told him that she liked women. That was anything but enjoyable for us to see over breakfast. "

The day before yesterday was in the Netherlands and the United States report a crime reporter Peter R. De Vries broadcast which you can see how Beth Twitty Joran van der Sloot said in the office of warden Eddie Samame of the Miguel Castro Castro prison. Joran's stuck there until the trial for the murder of Flores. Meanwhile on Samame laid off because of his participation in the confrontation with hidden cameras between the mother of Natalee Holloway disappeared in 2005 and Joran. The lawyer of Joran van der Sloot, Maximo Altez, announced a legal procedure to tighten against Twitty and De Vries. He said that his client bribed by the Director are forced to speak with Twitty. Peter R. Ferris denied the allegations vehemently.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 10, 2010, 02:08:54 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_80767.php

English version:

Peter R. De Vries denies imputations: ‘No question of corruption’

9 Nov, 2010, 06:58 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANJESTAD / AMSTERDAM — Crime reporter Peter R. de Vries is surprised by the announcement that Maximo Altez – the lawyer of Joran van der Sloot – is instituting legal proceedings due to ‘bribing government officials’. He denies the imputations most emphatically.

“We did not pay a penny, a peso, absolutely nothing to enter the prison.”

This newspaper reported yesterday that Eddie Samame, the prison director of Joran was suspended. This occurred with regard to the confrontation between the mother of Natalee Holloway who disappeared in 2005, and Joran. Peter, who had organized this confrontation, also made hidden camera shots of this. These shots were broadcasted on TV last weekend amongst others in the Netherlands and the United States.

Altez says that Beth and Peter had gained entrance ‘in an illegal manner’ to the prison where Joran is on remand. However, the crime reporter denies the imputations and says, “Permission was given for this action up to the highest level. The authorities had simply ordered the director to cooperate. The condition was made that one would not discuss the case of Stephany Flores. In any case, nothing was done irregular from our side. Everyone knew what was going to happen; nobody was misled.” The reporter finds that Joran’s lawyer ‘is talking through the back of his neck’. There is absolutely no question of corruption.” According to Peter, the authorities allowed Beth entrance ‘out of solidarity’. “Therefore, I do not understand all of the current excitement”.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Anna on November 10, 2010, 02:22:02 PM
I think it needs to be noted that Enrique Flores (Stephany's brother) is one
heck of a hot-good-looking man and also very much a gentleman.

 

Next time, I vote Anna and Magnolia need to go with Beth to handle the
hot Mister Peter deVries and Enrique Flores!
Ole'

 ::piggy:: ::monkeywine2::






I'll go, Kermit!  ::MonkeyJnBox::  We'll leave Peter to Anna.  I like Enrique.



Oh, good!  Enrique is a little young for my preferences.

But remember when we first heard about this trip and were told the Flores family left as soon as they saw the cameras? 

Obviously, that was yet another lie.  Some who don't like Beth like to pretend others do not like her as well.

Total lies on every aspect of this trip is all we heard at first.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on November 10, 2010, 02:26:12 PM
I think it needs to be noted that Enrique Flores (Stephany's brother) is one
heck of a hot-good-looking man and also very much a gentleman.

 

Next time, I vote Anna and Magnolia need to go with Beth to handle the
hot Mister Peter deVries and Enrique Flores!
Ole'

 ::piggy:: ::monkeywine2::






I'll go, Kermit!  ::MonkeyJnBox::  We'll leave Peter to Anna.  I like Enrique.



Oh, good!  Enrique is a little young for my preferences.

But remember when we first heard about this trip and were told the Flores family left as soon as they saw the cameras? 

Obviously, that was yet another lie.  Some who don't like Beth like to pretend others do not like her as well.

Total lies on every aspect of this trip is all we heard at first.



Wasn't there an email or comment that passed through here from another site that said Joran had been warned in advance of Beth's arrival?  And there was also something I remember reading about Joran not talking to Beth, but instead giving her his lawyer's business card?  This is probably some more of the lies...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 10, 2010, 02:27:07 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_80784.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Stephany Father Flores: "Joran will pay his lawyer with money TV shows'

November 10, 2010, 12:45 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY / LIMA - According to Ricardo Flores, the father of the murdered on May 30 Stephany Flores is Joran van der Sloot by the media paid to his TV appearances. This would pay for his defense. "I challenge his lawyer to challenge this statement," the tormented father's house.

Flores believes that Joran too is protected by Peruvian law. He denounces the fact that Joran in a separate wing of the prison stay. According to Flores he would be staying in relative luxury compared to the rest of the prison population. "It is unacceptable that such a person enjoying privileges."
The father of Stephany Flores has no good words for the broadcast of the confrontation between Joran van der Sloot and Beth in the Peruvian prison. He says the broadcast on Dutch and American television in sight, but not having seen, he states "undue burden" to have the fact that Joran was interviewed several times on TV. He feels "outrage" when he accused of murdering his young daughter on the tube will pass. "My whole family is currently undergoing psychiatric help and is on anti-depressants. This whole situation is very difficult for us. "Flores annoyed that Joran out several times from the Miguel Castro Castro prison misrepresentation in the media while he was still no official statement made by the Peruvian Court. The Flores family had on October 6 Joran's interview with Times reporter John van den Heuvel seen. "The killer said he Stephany came into the casino. She had asked him whether he had a girlfriend and he said no and asked her if she had a boyfriend and she had told him that she liked women. That was anything but enjoyable for us to see over breakfast. "

The day before yesterday was in the Netherlands and the United States report a crime reporter Peter R. De Vries broadcast which you can see how Beth Twitty Joran van der Sloot said in the office of warden Eddie Samame of the Miguel Castro Castro prison. Joran's stuck there until the trial for the murder of Flores. Meanwhile on Samame laid off because of his participation in the confrontation with hidden cameras between the mother of Natalee Holloway disappeared in 2005 and Joran. The lawyer of Joran van der Sloot, Maximo Altez, announced a legal procedure to tighten against Twitty and De Vries. He said that his client bribed by the Director are forced to speak with Twitty. Peter R. Ferris denied the allegations vehemently.

I agree with Stephany's father in that Joran is enjoying too many priviledges in the Peruvian prison.
It bothers me because we have seen the Sloots dance around the law for so long.

I hope that someone will tell him that Beth never mentioned Stephany in her confrontation with Joran.
She was there to try to find her child's remains after five long years.  The Flores were able to bury their
daughter, but I am sure the hurt is still very raw.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Anna on November 10, 2010, 02:28:18 PM
I hate to think about Joran being paid for interviews, too.  I can't imagine that he was for the meeting with Beth.

And I share Mr. Flores disdain for Joran being in a special place.  I also suspect that this is only to keep him alive long enough to stand trial.

JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 10, 2010, 02:32:33 PM
I think it needs to be noted that Enrique Flores (Stephany's brother) is one
heck of a hot-good-looking man and also very much a gentleman.

 

Next time, I vote Anna and Magnolia need to go with Beth to handle the
hot Mister Peter deVries and Enrique Flores!
Ole'

 ::piggy:: ::monkeywine2::






I'll go, Kermit!  ::MonkeyJnBox::  We'll leave Peter to Anna.  I like Enrique.



Oh, good!  Enrique is a little young for my preferences.

But remember when we first heard about this trip and were told the Flores family left as soon as they saw the cameras? 

Obviously, that was yet another lie.  Some who don't like Beth like to pretend others do not like her as well.

Total lies on every aspect of this trip is all we heard at first.



Wasn't there an email or comment that passed through here from another site that said Joran had been warned in advance of Beth's arrival?  And there was also something I remember reading about Joran not talking to Beth, but instead giving her his lawyer's business card?  This is probably some more of the lies...

I think those were all quotes from Maximum Highness, Joran's attorney, who also said that Beth had been
detained for "sneaking" into the prison.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 10, 2010, 02:39:54 PM
I think Maximum Highness is lying his head off and laughing all the way to the bank.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on November 10, 2010, 02:44:22 PM

It was from the Nat'l Enquirer Article  http://www.nationalenquirer.com/joran_van_der_slot_payoff_twitty_holloway_santo_klaus_/celebrity/69398

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8601.msg1238669#msg1238669

(snip)
When a newsman recently sneaked Natalee's mom BETH TWITTY into van der Sloot's Peruvian prison for a headline-making confrontation, she was expecting to find him in a rat-infested hellhole. But to her shock and horror, she found him living the good life!

"Where is my daughter? What did you do with her?" Beth demanded.

But the stone-cold killer met her with silence handing her his lawyer's business card, and the distraught mom is now convinced Joran will never confess to killing her daughter - and will take to his grave the secrets behind the Alabama teen's sudden disappearance in Aruba five years ago
(snip)






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on November 10, 2010, 02:47:00 PM

It was from the Nat'l Enquirer Article  http://www.nationalenquirer.com/joran_van_der_slot_payoff_twitty_holloway_santo_klaus_/celebrity/69398

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8601.msg1238669#msg1238669

(snip)
When a newsman recently sneaked Natalee's mom BETH TWITTY into van der Sloot's Peruvian prison for a headline-making confrontation, she was expecting to find him in a rat-infested hellhole. But to her shock and horror, she found him living the good life!

"Where is my daughter? What did you do with her?" Beth demanded.

But the stone-cold killer met her with silence handing her his lawyer's business card, and the distraught mom is now convinced Joran will never confess to killing her daughter - and will take to his grave the secrets behind the Alabama teen's sudden disappearance in Aruba five years ago
(snip)






Sorry to quote myself,  ::MonkeyHaHa:: but I also remember seeing someone had done a screen cap (I think) from one of the dark sites remarking on that Joran was warned in advance of Beth's arrival.  Maybe I can dig around and find it, if my mouse will cooperate.  I'm considering firing it at this point.  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 10, 2010, 03:00:04 PM
For Muffy:   :smt040


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on November 10, 2010, 03:04:42 PM
For Muffy:   :smt040

 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 10, 2010, 03:40:36 PM
Janet's post remind us (or me at least) about topics and jog my memory.  Sometimes I'm busy in other areas of the forum or with my personal life so I actually appreciate the reminders.  I realize that everyone is not in agreement but I would ask you simply scroll by if you don't want to read.  TIA  ::MonkeyCool::
Just jumping in before I read ahead.....
I scroll by lots of posts.....but I always read Janet for the reminders.....

Thank you Klaas.  Thank you billb.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on November 10, 2010, 04:35:23 PM
Ladies and Gentlemen we have all been here too long to start fighting amongst ourselves.  You may not agree with Tamikosmom's posting but she has also provided a lot of information especially when someone was looking for a link to an article or a post which she has right at her fingertips.

We all contribute in different ways.  We all rely on each other.

Well said, San.  When someone is looking for something, another monkey will provide it.

I also agree with what others have posted.  No, I don't think Janet is a minion.  I mostly just scroll by as it takes a lot of my time, but I never thought Janet was in cahoots with the dark side.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Buckeye on November 10, 2010, 04:42:22 PM
I would like to know if Joran is still in line for his "fat compensation" check.  My guess is that he won't tell the truth because he will lose his case.

From the Patrick tapes:

P: Will they ever find her, do you think?
Joran "No."
P: No?
Joran "I'm done with it. The only thing I want now is my big fat compensation check.
           But before I have it, it'll be 10 years."


P: But where the f*** is she, Joran?
Joran "Never to be found. Where exactly, I don't even know myself."
P: How can that be, that you don't even know then?
Joran "Well..."
P: A higher power?
Joran "Higher powers. Powers. No, I'm done with it, Patrick."
P: It's fine.

Joran "It's probably going to come out better than I'd hoped."
P: Why's that?
Joran "Now, I mean even now I'll also receive a fat compensation check."
P: That's arranged in a smart manner then.

Joran "Without this arrest I actually didn't count on it, no."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 10, 2010, 04:56:16 PM
I would like to know if Joran is still in line for his "fat compensation" check.  My guess is that he won't tell the truth because he will lose his case.

From the Patrick tapes:

P: Will they ever find her, do you think?
Joran "No."
P: No?
Joran "I'm done with it. The only thing I want now is my big fat compensation check.
           But before I have it, it'll be 10 years."


P: But where the f*** is she, Joran?
Joran "Never to be found. Where exactly, I don't even know myself."
P: How can that be, that you don't even know then?
Joran "Well..."
P: A higher power?
Joran "Higher powers. Powers. No, I'm done with it, Patrick."
P: It's fine.

Joran "It's probably going to come out better than I'd hoped."
P: Why's that?
Joran "Now, I mean even now I'll also receive a fat compensation check."
P: That's arranged in a smart manner then.

Joran "Without this arrest I actually didn't count on it, no."


Good question! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on November 10, 2010, 05:03:06 PM
Gosh.  It makes me sad that everyone is so upset.  We are all so passionate about finding justice for Natalee and Stephany and the 5 years has taken a toll on her family and us.  Stay strong.  God forbid if anything happened to my family, I would want all of you monkeys there for me and supporting me the way you do Natalee's family.  This forum is the best one out there and it is because of the people on it. No one usually responds or speaks to me but I feel the commitment and the passion in every post.  There is a camaraderie here and it feels good nonetheless.  Here is a fresh cup of coffee \_/? and some banana bread [:::], hugs to all.  May all the rats in Peru find Joran's hole......... err his potty hole, you know!  ::MonkeyKiss::

Good morning Sharon.  (http://bestsmileys.com/coffee/2.gif)  Please don't think for one second that just because you feel no one usually responds or speaks to you that you are being ignored.  ::MonkeyEek::  You as a person and as a poster and what you have to say is as important as anyone else on this forum.   ::rhino::    You are part of the fabric of Scared Monkeys and I think it's wonderful you are here and you have the passion and commitment to be here and stay here for Natalee.   ::bananadance:: ::bananadance::  I buzz around Scared Monkeys  ::bee:: and read a lot, update with posting articles and such, but I don't always post greetings or I may see a monkeys post later on a page or more later and don't post a reply.    I see you and recognize you as a fellow monkey Sharon.   ::MonkeyKiss2::  It's good to see you  ::dogwag::

I post from my bed, I mostly read as laying down is not a comfortable position to post from.  I am sorry, Sharon and others.  I appreciate you hanging in with us.  There is so much craziness and sadness in the many cases we see, especially at this time, there is not enough time to post to everyone or read every post, but I do try to at least read or scroll through every post here.

Thanks, bee for saying it for me.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 10, 2010, 05:03:21 PM
When you have the same people agreeing with each other all the time....and against an individual or two or three most of the time....is dialog limited? If so....how does that help?
Stay cool Monkeys.......
Justice for Natalee is just around the corner.....

Pot calling the kettle black?

I think yes, especially since everything you posted was exactly as I expected.

JMO



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 10, 2010, 05:06:30 PM
I just want to say that you all mean very much to me. I hope all are sleeping with smiling angels watching over them. I want us all to be here together when Beth gets to bring Natalee home. Against all odds and logic, I believe it will happen.

Night!   ::MonkeyKiss2::

::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyKiss::

I believe too....   ::MonkeySkate::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 10, 2010, 05:23:39 PM
Gosh.  It makes me sad that everyone is so upset.  We are all so passionate about finding justice for Natalee and Stephany and the 5 years has taken a toll on her family and us.  Stay strong.  God forbid if anything happened to my family, I would want all of you monkeys there for me and supporting me the way you do Natalee's family.  This forum is the best one out there and it is because of the people on it.  No one usually responds or speaks to me but I feel the commitment and the passion in every post.  There is a camaraderie here and it feels good nonetheless.  Here is a fresh cup of coffee \_/? and some banana bread [:::], hugs to all.  May all the rats in Peru find Joran's hole......... err his potty hole, you know!  ::MonkeyKiss::

Many good points Sharon/Tx, and don't get discouraged if someone doesn't respond when you post.  I'm sure many, as I, many times are here but off digging into other things; or didn't respond for any number of other reasons.  It doesn't mean that what you have to say isn't appreciated.  Sometimes we just take for granted that everyone knows that.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 10, 2010, 05:27:44 PM
Glad I had other obligations last night .....

(http://deephousepage.com/smilies/hidesbehindsofa.gif)

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 10, 2010, 05:30:44 PM
Beth Holloway

'Tell me what happened. Let me take her home.'

that made me  :smt089


Me too.   ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 10, 2010, 05:43:02 PM
http://www.24ora.com/corte-mainmenu-29/24102-empleadonan-publico-ta-demanda-edmond-croes.html

Papiamentu translation:

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_thumbs/b.175.125.16777215.0...images.stories.news.2010.PERSONAHE.edmond.jpg)

empleadonan publico is demanda edmond croes

wednesday, 10 november 2010 14:44

one are by trahadonan in bestuurskantoor today, via advocate mr lic. benvinda m. de sousa owing to send one carta for her conocido edmond croes. in the carta they're acusa the journalist by, via her medionan sun by folk, canal 22, top 95 y boletinextra.com, is publicando noticianan cu name, adres y salary by esunnan envolvi. they're pidi’e before voluntary the stop, but will demand’e at corte. click read more before download the carta completo.





Google translation:

Mr. Edmond Croes
h.o.d.n. Solo di Pueblo, Top FM, Canal 22
Sta Cruz z / n
Alhier

Oranjestad, November 9, 2010

re: Espinoza, MAJ, Croes, ME; Lacle, C.; Villasmil, A. A., Fowler, A; Celaire, A. Webb, ER; Petrochi, ER, Daquin, J. ., Flan Gien, F. A., Acosta, AO, Mackintosh, JM, Banfield, R.; Agunbero, EH; Boekhoudt, R., Thomas, G., Hassell JM, Dimanche, AM; Geerman, RJ; Faneyte, RB, Pronk, P.; Schoop, NR

Dear Mr. Croes,

On behalf of the clients listed in the margin, I provided this notice as follows.

Clients have to their great dismay to see that you two consecutive editions - 2 and 3 last November - the morning paper published by you Solo di Pueblo, has approved of the names and salaries of the respective clients to publish.

In the second publication you are there to cap the addresses and birth dates of clients added.

These publications constitute a serious violation and a violation of, the privacy rights of clients. The publications are no journalistic interest, and they should in no way the public interest. Clients are all regular employees of the government and perform no public function.

Furthermore, in programs or on your behalf transmitted to you via the radio station Top FM OWNS, clients treated with less neat words instigate, offensive and inflammatory tone is used by clients.

Clients also have to establish that items that you use facebook and through your managed website Boletinextra.com insulting and derogatory remarks against clients expressed that their privacy rights being violated too.

Your conduct is unlawful to customers.

Clients by your wrongdoing seriously injured and damaged and they call for offer you both now, and now for then any and all liability arising from your actions they have already suffered and still suffer damage.

I urge you and if necessary I summation on behalf of a client will immediately refrain from doing any reporting, or publication, or expression of the person customers regarding, and me no later than tomorrow November 10, 2010 to 15:00 in writing log in or you will voluntarily comply with this request.

If you fail to comply with the above requested to meet clients will immediately refer the matter to the judge in interlocutory proceedings and their appropriate legal measures.

Sincerely,

mr lic Benvinda M. de Sousa


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on November 10, 2010, 05:52:17 PM
Beth Holloway

'Tell me what happened. Let me take her home.'



that made me  :smt089

You and me both, Nut.

 ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 10, 2010, 05:54:48 PM
Sorry, I don't know how to bring the video over, it's all in Spanish I think.

http://www.24ora.com/internacional-mainmenu-6/24083-video-ricardo-flores-indigna-cu-entrevista-di-peter-de-vries.html

video: ricardo flores indigna cu interview by joran v/d sloot

wednesday, 10 november 2010 00:36

popup video

ricardo flores in one interview cu "90 segundos" owing to indicate her indignacion for form con owing to succeed haci one interview cu the principal sospechoso acusa by owing to asesina her unique child muhe sthepany flores. click play before see the interview realisa tuesday at night at lima. come across

Comment:

scirbi before consequencia by maldad, november 10, 2010
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 10, 2010, 06:19:56 PM
I think this is part of the same video that 24ora has.  The one at 24ora is 7 minutes long.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmLruB0-Ays

November 10, 2010

The entrepreneur and former racer Ricardo Flores reported that Joran van der Sloot, alleged killer of his daughter Stephany Flores , live "like kings" in the Castro Castro prison, where you can wander freely through a large courtyard and even buy marijuana.

That whole situation has caused deep anger among the relatives of the girl killed last May by the Dutch in a hotel in Miraflores.

Flores explained that his wife and their children are under psychological treatment and under the provision of drugs, after the tragic end of his daughter Stephany Flores.


http://www.youtube.com/v/zmLruB0-Ays?fs=1&amp;hl=en_US


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Sharon/Tx on November 10, 2010, 06:40:44 PM
Hugs to everyone and thanks Muffybee, 2nJ, Bearlyhere, TxMom...... 

It's about Natalee........ no one else.  Crumble Joran, crumble.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 10, 2010, 06:51:04 PM

Dihannah1

The Peter Deviries interview with Beth in Part One is in English and ... the face to face with Joran van der Sloot in Part Two is in English.

I am disappointed that the portions in Dutch do not have English ? at the bottom of the screen.

Janet

Hmmm, guess my patience was on the short side last night, as I didn't wait to get to that part.  The Dutch talk was really grating on my nerves, so stopped it before the english part.  I may try to listen again today.  Thanks for the Info!  Check back in awhile.

Dihannah1

Don't procrastinate too long.  Apparently ... Part One may no longer be available for viewing on Peter Devries' website after tomorrow.

Janet

+++++

Beth Holloway

'I wanted to peel the skin off his face. I'm thinking this is it, this is my one chance and I'll never get this chance again.'

'My eyes met his and we were face to face. The only thing I had left in me was just to speak from the heart.'


http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/


Beth Holloway

'Tell me what happened. Let me take her home.'

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/


Di

What did you think?

While viewing these two videos I experienced so many emotions.  However ... when all is said and done ... I was so proud of Beth.  She is one amazing lady.

As I sincerely believe that Aruban justice will never prevail for Natalee Holloway  ... Beth is my sole reason for keeping on keeping on.  Only when Natalee is returned to her family ... to American soil ... will Tamikosmom become a distance memory.

Janet
 




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 10, 2010, 06:53:52 PM
Hugs to everyone and thanks Muffybee, 2nJ, Bearlyhere, TxMom...... 

It's about Natalee........ no one else.  Crumble Joran, crumble.
::MonkeyKiss:: ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 10, 2010, 09:09:07 PM
La familia Flores aseguran que Joran Van der Sloot vive como rey...

A pesar que confesó ser el asesino de Stephany Flores, Van derSloot no le dice nada al juez Miércoles, 10 de noviembre del 2010.

Stepahany Flores murió asesinada el 30 mayo en una habitación de hotel, en la que se hospedad el holandés Joran Van derSloot. El cual es el principa sospechoso de la muerte de la joven.

Todo indica que Van derSloot sería el asesino de Stephany, ya que un video muestra que él fue el último de verla con vida y entrar a la habitación en la que fue asesinada brutalmen.

“Es vergonzoso lo que pasa en las cárceles.  Yo creo que el INPE tiene que darle el tratamiento que tiene cualquier delincuente”,  dijo indignado Ricardo Flores, padre de la joven asesinada.

Agregó que ya han pasado seis meses desde la reclusión del holandés y “hasta el día hasta el día de hoy se niega a dar su declaración al juez”, señaló para una televisora local limeña.

“Lamentablemente pareciera que las leyes que se dan en el Congreso no fueran eyes para que se juzgara y se sentenciara a los asesinos sino para protegerlos” comentó indignado Flores.

http://www.generaccion.com/noticia/83737/familia-flores-aseguran-que-joran-van-der-sloot-vive-como-rey

Google Translation

FLORES FAMILY SAY JORAN LIVES LIKE KING

Stepahany Flores was murdered on 30 May in a hotel room, which hosts the Dutch Joran Van derSloot. Who is the prime suspect in the death of the young.

Everything indicates that the murderer would derSloot Van Stephany, because a video shows that he was the last to see her alive and enter the room where he was brutally murdered.

However, the family of the victim shows his great reproach to the Peruvian justice system, noting that Joran lives "like a king in jail."

"It is shameful what happens in prisons. I think the INPE has to give the same treatment to all criminals," said Ricardo Flores outraged father of the girl killed.

He added that it's been six months since the detention of the Dutch and "until this day refuses to give his statement to the judge," he said to a local television station in Lima.

"Unfortunately it seems that there are laws in Congress to protect the criminal, not to try and sentence them." Flores said indignantly.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 10, 2010, 10:07:44 PM
I'm glad that Stephany's father is speaking out!   ::MonkeyCool::





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 10, 2010, 10:08:17 PM
I feel bad for the Flores family too.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 10, 2010, 10:16:51 PM
I feel bad for the Flores family too.

I feel bad for them too, and I don't believe that Stephany had that discussion with Joran right after she met him in the casino either.  I think that was just another lie among many in that interview.  I can just imagine how hurtful that was to her family, and I hope that POS pays for it!
 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 10, 2010, 10:31:14 PM
I'm glad that Stephany's father is speaking out!   ::MonkeyCool::





it looks like politics are getting all in the middle of Stephany's case too.

This is from the comments section of the "Joran Lives Like King" article.


1. 2010-11-10 – 11:27:54Sr, recuerde bien, como los peruanos nos sentimos tan burlados e indignados con tanta corrupcion en el gobierno de su amiguisimo y gran corrupo vladimiro montesinos, ahora recien se da cuenta de la corrupcioin?? por favor!! lo q sucede q ahora a ud recien le importa porq esta su hija de por medio. solo dios sabe cuantas veces quizas, ud se habra servido de toda esa corrupcion de su amigo montesinos en años anteriores para su propio beneficio, siento mucho lo sucedido con su hija, pero creo q mejor deberia quedarse callado.

Translation:

We Peruvians feel cheated and disgusted with so much corruption in the government of your good and highly corrupt friend Vladimiro Montesinos, now recently you realizes the corruption?

Please!

Only God knows how many times you benefited from the Montesinos corruption. I'm sorry what happened to your daughter, but I think that you better should remain silent.


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Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 10, 2010, 11:02:21 PM
Hugs to everyone and thanks Muffybee, 2nJ, Bearlyhere, TxMom...... 

It's about Natalee........ no one else.  Crumble Joran, crumble.

 ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 10, 2010, 11:15:10 PM
I thought they'd already done that!   ::MonkeyConfused::

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Psych-exam-ordered-for-van-der-Sloot/d54L--ZDKkqdZq87zaDBWg.cspx

Psych exam ordered for van der Sloot

Last Update: 9:21 pm 

(http://www.cbs42.com/media/lib/124/b/0/6/b062c4e6-0eba-4256-86af-b1b5aea81de3/Story.jpg)

Joran van der Sloot will undergo a psychological exam in his murder trial in Peru.

Judge Carlos Morales Cordova ordered the exam, according to the Peruvian website DiarioPrimeraPeru. The order also detailed that the tests be carried out by medical staff of the Institute of Legal Medicine at the Miguel Castro Castro prison, where the Dutchman is being held on charges he murdered Peruvian student Stephany Flores.

Flores' body was found in van der Sloot's Lima hotel room. He has confessed he killed Flores after she found material on his laptop relating to Natalee Holloway. He's now trying to get that confession thrown out on grounds of coercion and procedural irregularities.

Natalee Holloway is the Mountain Brook teen who disappeared on a 2005 graduation trip to Aruba. She was last seen with van der Sloot. Although the prime suspect in her disappearance, he was never charged in connection with her disappearance.

The latest development in the Holloway case has been the prison confrontation between van der Sloot and Natalee's mother Beth. Beth Holloway got into van der Sloot's prison with a Dutch TV crew which filmed the confrontation. Excerpts of that video have been shown on ENTERTAINMENT TONIGHT and THE INSIDER and here at CBS42.com.

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 10, 2010, 11:25:02 PM
I thought they'd already done that!   ::MonkeyConfused::

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Psych-exam-ordered-for-van-der-Sloot/d54L--ZDKkqdZq87zaDBWg.cspx

Psych exam ordered for van der Sloot

Last Update: 9:21 pm 

(http://www.cbs42.com/media/lib/124/b/0/6/b062c4e6-0eba-4256-86af-b1b5aea81de3/Story.jpg)

Joran van der Sloot will undergo a psychological exam in his murder trial in Peru.

Judge Carlos Morales Cordova ordered the exam, according to the Peruvian website DiarioPrimeraPeru. The order also detailed that the tests be carried out by medical staff of the Institute of Legal Medicine at the Miguel Castro Castro prison, where the Dutchman is being held on charges he murdered Peruvian student Stephany Flores.

Flores' body was found in van der Sloot's Lima hotel room. He has confessed he killed Flores after she found material on his laptop relating to Natalee Holloway. He's now trying to get that confession thrown out on grounds of coercion and procedural irregularities.

Natalee Holloway is the Mountain Brook teen who disappeared on a 2005 graduation trip to Aruba. She was last seen with van der Sloot. Although the prime suspect in her disappearance, he was never charged in connection with her disappearance.

The latest development in the Holloway case has been the prison confrontation between van der Sloot and Natalee's mother Beth. Beth Holloway got into van der Sloot's prison with a Dutch TV crew which filmed the confrontation. Excerpts of that video have been shown on ENTERTAINMENT TONIGHT and THE INSIDER and here at CBS42.com.



I'm thinking they may have picked up an old article?  It's easy to do on some of those websites, the date beside the article in a search result may be a current date, but the article may be from months ago.


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Post by: texasmom on November 10, 2010, 11:45:02 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)

Justice for Natalee...

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

and Stephany!   ::MonkeyJustice::



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Post by: billb's daughter on November 11, 2010, 12:09:44 AM
When you have the same people agreeing with each other all the time....and against an individual or two or three most of the time....is dialog limited? If so....how does that help?
Stay cool Monkeys.......
Justice for Natalee is just around the corner.....

Pot calling the kettle black?

I think yes, especially since everything you posted was exactly as I expected.

JMO

you're so intuitive...so you know it's about Natalee.... ::MonkeyAngel::


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Post by: Bearlyhere on November 11, 2010, 12:52:54 AM
I feel bad for the Flores family too.

Yes, me too.  I can't imagine Peter de V or Beth would give Joran a cent to do an interview.

I can sympathize with Beth wanting to pay for her daughter's remains.  How could she not?    ::MonkeyAngel::

Hindsight is 20/20, she gave him the benefit of the doubt.  Once again, he lied.   ::MonkeyMad::



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Post by: Bearlyhere on November 11, 2010, 12:58:00 AM


That was definitely the wrong picture.  I am going to fall on the floor, there are tears streaming down my eyes and I am trying not to wake up cub.

 ::MonkeyDevil::



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Post by: Tamikosmom on November 11, 2010, 01:11:23 AM


That was definitely the wrong picture.  I am going to fall on the floor, there are tears streaming down my eyes and I am trying not to wake up cub.

 ::MonkeyDevil::



 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 11, 2010, 01:12:00 AM

Joran van der Sloot

'I wanted to get back at Natalee's family - her parents have been making my life tough for five years.'


http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Van-der-Sloot-true-story-book/zMY1TGGVkU2Kc8LMCiU6pA.cspx

 
Beth Holloway

'If he thinks I've been pestering him for the past five years, he hasn't seen anything yet.'

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on November 11, 2010, 01:15:06 AM
I thought they'd already done that!   ::MonkeyConfused::

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Psych-exam-ordered-for-van-der-Sloot/d54L--ZDKkqdZq87zaDBWg.cspx

Psych exam ordered for van der Sloot

Last Update: 9:21 pm 

(http://www.cbs42.com/media/lib/124/b/0/6/b062c4e6-0eba-4256-86af-b1b5aea81de3/Story.jpg)

Joran van der Sloot will undergo a psychological exam in his murder trial in Peru.

Judge Carlos Morales Cordova ordered the exam, according to the Peruvian website DiarioPrimeraPeru. The order also detailed that the tests be carried out by medical staff of the Institute of Legal Medicine at the Miguel Castro Castro prison, where the Dutchman is being held on charges he murdered Peruvian student Stephany Flores.

Flores' body was found in van der Sloot's Lima hotel room. He has confessed he killed Flores after she found material on his laptop relating to Natalee Holloway. He's now trying to get that confession thrown out on grounds of coercion and procedural irregularities.

Natalee Holloway is the Mountain Brook teen who disappeared on a 2005 graduation trip to Aruba. She was last seen with van der Sloot. Although the prime suspect in her disappearance, he was never charged in connection with her disappearance.

The latest development in the Holloway case has been the prison confrontation between van der Sloot and Natalee's mother Beth. Beth Holloway got into van der Sloot's prison with a Dutch TV crew which filmed the confrontation. Excerpts of that video have been shown on ENTERTAINMENT TONIGHT and THE INSIDER and here at CBS42.com.

 


I think he through his lawyer, I forget his name, I know it is something like Maximum Blowhard, is trying to get the venue changed to the Institute of Illegal Medicine.

For a minute there I thought Klaas banned me, I couldn't get back in...... ::MonkeyWaa::
Next time I promise to check my work, Sister Klaas.

 :smt083

I have to say that was a long-needed laugh.  I am sorry for any of you who saw it, I am glad it was the middle of the night here, anyway.

 ::MonkeyEek::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on November 11, 2010, 01:17:34 AM

Joran van der Sloot

'I wanted to get back at Natalee's family - her parents have been making my life tough for five years.'


http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Van-der-Sloot-true-story-book/zMY1TGGVkU2Kc8LMCiU6pA.cspx

 
Beth Holloway

'If he thinks I've been pestering him for the past five years, he hasn't seen anything yet.'

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/


I love that, Janet, and I sure wish I had a neighbor who played Scrabble.

 ::monkeywine2::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: billb's daughter on November 11, 2010, 01:43:53 AM
I feel bad for the Flores family too.
Stephany's murder should never have happened...we all know that......Our hearts go out to her family.... ::MonkeyAngel::
aruba and all those that protected urine are to blame.....that's first degree..
the misinformation crew....second degree...
american traitors....third degree in chronological time....but First degree in MHO....they knew the consequences of their deceptions....
urine's right where he needs to be......toast....Peru...Flores family...Thank you for taking the monster off the street...
My only request...somehow......bring Natalee home to her family....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: billb's daughter on November 11, 2010, 02:12:31 AM
Good Night Good Monkeys..
Justice for Natalee is just around the corner..... ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Sleuth on November 11, 2010, 03:22:49 AM

There are many of us reading daily from the rafters, and appreciate all you are doing.

 ::koala::

Ditto....and cute koala :-)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: can on November 11, 2010, 05:48:39 AM
La familia Flores aseguran que Joran Van der Sloot vive como rey...

A pesar que confesó ser el asesino de Stephany Flores, Van derSloot no le dice nada al juez Miércoles, 10 de noviembre del 2010.

Stepahany Flores murió asesinada el 30 mayo en una habitación de hotel, en la que se hospedad el holandés Joran Van derSloot. El cual es el principa sospechoso de la muerte de la joven.


Todo indica que Van derSloot sería el asesino de Stephany, ya que un video muestra que él fue el último de verla con vida y entrar a la habitación en la que fue asesinada brutalmen.

“Es vergonzoso lo que pasa en las cárceles.  Yo creo que el INPE tiene que darle el tratamiento que tiene cualquier delincuente”,  dijo indignado Ricardo Flores, padre de la joven asesinada.

Agregó que ya han pasado seis meses desde la reclusión del holandés y “hasta el día hasta el día de hoy se niega a dar su declaración al juez”, señaló para una televisora local limeña.

“Lamentablemente pareciera que las leyes que se dan en el Congreso no fueran eyes para que se juzgara y se sentenciara a los asesinos sino para protegerlos” comentó indignado Flores.

http://www.generaccion.com/noticia/83737/familia-flores-aseguran-que-joran-van-der-sloot-vive-como-rey

Google Translation

FLORES FAMILY SAY JORAN LIVES LIKE KING

Stepahany Flores was murdered on 30 May in a hotel room, which hosts the Dutch Joran Van derSloot. Who is the prime suspect in the death of the young.

Everything indicates that the murderer would derSloot Van Stephany, because a video shows that he was the last to see her alive and enter the room where he was brutally murdered.

However, the family of the victim shows his great reproach to the Peruvian justice system, noting that Joran lives "like a king in jail."

"It is shameful what happens in prisons. I think the INPE has to give the same treatment to all criminals," said Ricardo Flores outraged father of the girl killed.

He added that it's been six months since the detention of the Dutch and "until this day refuses to give his statement to the judge," he said to a local television station in Lima.

"Unfortunately it seems that there are laws in Congress to protect the criminal, not to try and sentence them." Flores said indignantly.

Have been following the past days events from the rafters.  Beth continues to amaze me with her courage and grace in her endless quest to bring Natalee home.  We stand beside you Beth and although you have lost so much, I pray that one day your girl can be brought home.  That you can have a marker, a grave to visit, a place to put a rose. . .

In reading Mr. Flores words, I feel some concern.  I believe it is the first time I've heard him criticize the justice system in Peru.  He has always seemed so certain that justice will prevail.  The evidence is so overwhelming.  Perhaps he is just frustrated with the delays.  Perhaps it is because he sees, as Beth did, the lengths Joran and his lawyers will go, the discrediting of his victims, the arrogance that he displays.
Perhaps I make mountains of molehills...still, I am concerned.

Money won't buy you love, but money (taken from interviews about his crimes) will buy liberties, protection, favors, delays.

Mr. Flores wants swift justice and I don't blame him! 

Justice for Natalee and Stefany!  ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

   

 


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Post by: texasmom on November 11, 2010, 07:43:53 AM

There are many of us reading daily from the rafters, and appreciate all you are doing.

 ::koala::

Ditto....and cute koala :-)

 ::MonkeyKiss:: Great to see you Sleuth!   ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 11, 2010, 07:50:43 AM
La familia Flores aseguran que Joran Van der Sloot vive como rey...

A pesar que confesó ser el asesino de Stephany Flores, Van derSloot no le dice nada al juez Miércoles, 10 de noviembre del 2010.

Stepahany Flores murió asesinada el 30 mayo en una habitación de hotel, en la que se hospedad el holandés Joran Van derSloot. El cual es el principa sospechoso de la muerte de la joven.


Todo indica que Van derSloot sería el asesino de Stephany, ya que un video muestra que él fue el último de verla con vida y entrar a la habitación en la que fue asesinada brutalmen.

“Es vergonzoso lo que pasa en las cárceles.  Yo creo que el INPE tiene que darle el tratamiento que tiene cualquier delincuente”,  dijo indignado Ricardo Flores, padre de la joven asesinada.

Agregó que ya han pasado seis meses desde la reclusión del holandés y “hasta el día hasta el día de hoy se niega a dar su declaración al juez”, señaló para una televisora local limeña.

“Lamentablemente pareciera que las leyes que se dan en el Congreso no fueran eyes para que se juzgara y se sentenciara a los asesinos sino para protegerlos” comentó indignado Flores.

http://www.generaccion.com/noticia/83737/familia-flores-aseguran-que-joran-van-der-sloot-vive-como-rey

Google Translation

FLORES FAMILY SAY JORAN LIVES LIKE KING

Stepahany Flores was murdered on 30 May in a hotel room, which hosts the Dutch Joran Van derSloot. Who is the prime suspect in the death of the young.

Everything indicates that the murderer would derSloot Van Stephany, because a video shows that he was the last to see her alive and enter the room where he was brutally murdered.

However, the family of the victim shows his great reproach to the Peruvian justice system, noting that Joran lives "like a king in jail."

"It is shameful what happens in prisons. I think the INPE has to give the same treatment to all criminals," said Ricardo Flores outraged father of the girl killed.

He added that it's been six months since the detention of the Dutch and "until this day refuses to give his statement to the judge," he said to a local television station in Lima.

"Unfortunately it seems that there are laws in Congress to protect the criminal, not to try and sentence them." Flores said indignantly.

Have been following the past days events from the rafters.  Beth continues to amaze me with her courage and grace in her endless quest to bring Natalee home.  We stand beside you Beth and although you have lost so much, I pray that one day your girl can be brought home.  That you can have a marker, a grave to visit, a place to put a rose. . .

In reading Mr. Flores words, I feel some concern.  I believe it is the first time I've heard him criticize the justice system in Peru.  He has always seemed so certain that justice will prevail.  The evidence is so overwhelming.  Perhaps he is just frustrated with the delays.  Perhaps it is because he sees, as Beth did, the lengths Joran and his lawyers will go, the discrediting of his victims, the arrogance that he displays.
Perhaps I make mountains of molehills...still, I am concerned.

Money won't buy you love, but money (taken from interviews about his crimes) will buy liberties, protection, favors, delays.

Mr. Flores wants swift justice and I don't blame him! 

Justice for Natalee and Stefany!  ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


I'm hoping that's what it is too.  Enrique Flores, when speaking to Beth and Peter still seemed confident that justice will prevail.  I'm praying he's right.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 11, 2010, 07:53:11 AM


Have a great day Monkeys!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on November 11, 2010, 08:01:10 AM
Good Night Good Monkeys..
Justice for Natalee is just around the corner..... ::MonkeyAngel::


 ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on November 11, 2010, 08:14:34 AM
Good morning texasmom, all our monkeys and guests (http://bestsmileys.com/coffee/1.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 11, 2010, 11:39:29 AM

Have been following the past days events from the rafters.  Beth continues to amaze me with her courage and grace in her endless quest to bring Natalee home.  We stand beside you Beth and although you have lost so much, I pray that one day your girl can be brought home.  That you can have a marker, a grave to visit, a place to put a rose. . .

In reading Mr. Flores words, I feel some concern.  I believe it is the first time I've heard him criticize the justice system in Peru.  He has always seemed so certain that justice will prevail.  The evidence is so overwhelming.  Perhaps he is just frustrated with the delays.  Perhaps it is because he sees, as Beth did, the lengths Joran and his lawyers will go, the discrediting of his victims, the arrogance that he displays.
Perhaps I make mountains of molehills...still, I am concerned.

Money won't buy you love, but money (taken from interviews about his crimes) will buy liberties, protection, favors, delays.

Mr. Flores wants swift justice and I don't blame him! 

Justice for Natalee and Stefany!  ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

   

 ::rhino::

Can

I have been informed by a young Canadian pastor who has a ministry on the outskirts of Peru that bribes and influencial connections stand in the way of justice prevailing in Peru from traffic violations all the way up.  In other words ... the justice system is corrupt.

I was hoping that the Flores' influence and political connection implied that justice would prevail for Stephany but after reading the words of Stephany's father ... maybe not.

Could it be that those within the Dutch and Aruba admiinistrations who protected Joran from accountability in the Natalee Holloway case also have the wealth, influence and power to do the same in the Stephany Flores case?

Think about it.  Joran is holding the Ace.  If he were to expose those behind the cover up in the Natalee Holloway case ... the Aruban/Dutch house of cards collapses.

Janet


++++++++

THE ARUBAN COVER UP

Many Friends[/b

]Nancy Grace - October 4, 2005

NANCY GRACE, HOST: … Jossy, regarding the connection, what I perceived to be a close connection between the judge, Paulus Van Der Sloot and the retired chief of police who initially handled Natalee`s case, Van Der Stratten, were they friends?
 
JOSSY MANSUR: Of course, they were friends. It stands to reason they were friends because Paul Van Der Sloot had many friends within the police department; he had many friends within the Department of Justice. And he had many friends with -- and he was friendly with all the judges in Aruba. He worked out of the same office as they did and did the same work.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/04/ng.01.html


Lobbying for Joran

On the Record w / Greta - November 14, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: Well Greta, somebody is lobbying for Joran in the Hague in order to protect him ..... it has to be.


Its been documented[/b

]The Jonesboro Sun - January 29, 2007

Twitty recalled the first days after her daughter's disappearance and the actions of the Aruban government.

"We did everything we could in looking for her.  There was a government coverup, and it has been documented," Twitty contended.

http://www.jonesborosun.com/story.php?ID=25809


A List of Reasons

'Scarborough Country' - October 23, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: They never—they never wanted to implicate these three young men.

They never wanted to implicate them from the beginning. And there is a list of reasons, you know, why we know that is true.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9796403/from/RL.2/


Everybody Knows

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway


Page 194: It's quiet in the room when i add, 'Oh, come on. Everyone knows there was a cover-up.' And to this, Jorge Pesquera, president and CEO of the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association, shrugs his shoulders, nods in the affirmative, and says softly, 'Yes...yes there was'."



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Post by: Tamikosmom on November 11, 2010, 11:41:56 AM
I messed up.  It was not my intention to highlight quotes in bold.

Janet


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Post by: can on November 11, 2010, 11:43:11 AM
La familia Flores aseguran que Joran Van der Sloot vive como rey...

A pesar que confesó ser el asesino de Stephany Flores, Van derSloot no le dice nada al juez Miércoles, 10 de noviembre del 2010.

Stepahany Flores murió asesinada el 30 mayo en una habitación de hotel, en la que se hospedad el holandés Joran Van derSloot. El cual es el principa sospechoso de la muerte de la joven.


Todo indica que Van derSloot sería el asesino de Stephany, ya que un video muestra que él fue el último de verla con vida y entrar a la habitación en la que fue asesinada brutalmen.

“Es vergonzoso lo que pasa en las cárceles.  Yo creo que el INPE tiene que darle el tratamiento que tiene cualquier delincuente”,  dijo indignado Ricardo Flores, padre de la joven asesinada.

Agregó que ya han pasado seis meses desde la reclusión del holandés y “hasta el día hasta el día de hoy se niega a dar su declaración al juez”, señaló para una televisora local limeña.

“Lamentablemente pareciera que las leyes que se dan en el Congreso no fueran eyes para que se juzgara y se sentenciara a los asesinos sino para protegerlos” comentó indignado Flores.

http://www.generaccion.com/noticia/83737/familia-flores-aseguran-que-joran-van-der-sloot-vive-como-rey

Google Translation

FLORES FAMILY SAY JORAN LIVES LIKE KING

Stepahany Flores was murdered on 30 May in a hotel room, which hosts the Dutch Joran Van derSloot. Who is the prime suspect in the death of the young.

Everything indicates that the murderer would derSloot Van Stephany, because a video shows that he was the last to see her alive and enter the room where he was brutally murdered.

However, the family of the victim shows his great reproach to the Peruvian justice system, noting that Joran lives "like a king in jail."

"It is shameful what happens in prisons. I think the INPE has to give the same treatment to all criminals," said Ricardo Flores outraged father of the girl killed.

He added that it's been six months since the detention of the Dutch and "until this day refuses to give his statement to the judge," he said to a local television station in Lima.

"Unfortunately it seems that there are laws in Congress to protect the criminal, not to try and sentence them." Flores said indignantly.

Have been following the past days events from the rafters.  Beth continues to amaze me with her courage and grace in her endless quest to bring Natalee home.  We stand beside you Beth and although you have lost so much, I pray that one day your girl can be brought home.  That you can have a marker, a grave to visit, a place to put a rose. . .

In reading Mr. Flores words, I feel some concern.  I believe it is the first time I've heard him criticize the justice system in Peru.  He has always seemed so certain that justice will prevail.  The evidence is so overwhelming.  Perhaps he is just frustrated with the delays.  Perhaps it is because he sees, as Beth did, the lengths Joran and his lawyers will go, the discrediting of his victims, the arrogance that he displays.
Perhaps I make mountains of molehills...still, I am concerned.

Money won't buy you love, but money (taken from interviews about his crimes) will buy liberties, protection, favors, delays.

Mr. Flores wants swift justice and I don't blame him! 

Justice for Natalee and Stefany!  ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


I'm hoping that's what it is too.  Enrique Flores, when speaking to Beth and Peter still seemed confident that justice will prevail.  I'm praying he's right.


Amen.   ::MonkeyAngel::


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Post by: can on November 11, 2010, 11:51:55 AM

Have been following the past days events from the rafters.  Beth continues to amaze me with her courage and grace in her endless quest to bring Natalee home.  We stand beside you Beth and although you have lost so much, I pray that one day your girl can be brought home.  That you can have a marker, a grave to visit, a place to put a rose. . .

In reading Mr. Flores words, I feel some concern.  I believe it is the first time I've heard him criticize the justice system in Peru.  He has always seemed so certain that justice will prevail.  The evidence is so overwhelming.  Perhaps he is just frustrated with the delays.  Perhaps it is because he sees, as Beth did, the lengths Joran and his lawyers will go, the discrediting of his victims, the arrogance that he displays.
Perhaps I make mountains of molehills...still, I am concerned.

Money won't buy you love, but money (taken from interviews about his crimes) will buy liberties, protection, favors, delays.

Mr. Flores wants swift justice and I don't blame him! 

Justice for Natalee and Stefany!  ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

   

 ::rhino::

Can

I have been informed by a young Canadian pastor who has a ministry on the outskirts of Peru that bribes and influencial connections stand in the way of justice prevailing in Peru from traffic violations all the way up.  In other words ... the justice system is corrupt.

I was hoping that the Flores' influence and political connection implied that justice would prevail for Stephany but after reading the words of Stephany's father ... maybe not.

Could it be that those within the Dutch and Aruba admiinistrations who protected Joran from accountability in the Natalee Holloway case also have the wealth, influence and power to do the same in the Stephany Flores case?

Think about it.  Joran is holding the Ace.  If he were to expose those behind the cover up in the Natalee Holloway case ... the Aruban/Dutch house of cards collapses.

Janet


++++++++

THE ARUBAN COVER UP

Many Friends[/b

]Nancy Grace - October 4, 2005

NANCY GRACE, HOST: … Jossy, regarding the connection, what I perceived to be a close connection between the judge, Paulus Van Der Sloot and the retired chief of police who initially handled Natalee`s case, Van Der Stratten, were they friends?
 
JOSSY MANSUR: Of course, they were friends. It stands to reason they were friends because Paul Van Der Sloot had many friends within the police department; he had many friends within the Department of Justice. And he had many friends with -- and he was friendly with all the judges in Aruba. He worked out of the same office as they did and did the same work.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/04/ng.01.html


Lobbying for Joran

On the Record w / Greta - November 14, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: Well Greta, somebody is lobbying for Joran in the Hague in order to protect him ..... it has to be.


Its been documented[/b

]The Jonesboro Sun - January 29, 2007

Twitty recalled the first days after her daughter's disappearance and the actions of the Aruban government.

"We did everything we could in looking for her.  There was a government coverup, and it has been documented," Twitty contended.

http://www.jonesborosun.com/story.php?ID=25809


A List of Reasons

'Scarborough Country' - October 23, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: They never—they never wanted to implicate these three young men.

They never wanted to implicate them from the beginning. And there is a list of reasons, you know, why we know that is true.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9796403/from/RL.2/


Everybody Knows

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway


Page 194: It's quiet in the room when i add, 'Oh, come on. Everyone knows there was a cover-up.' And to this, Jorge Pesquera, president and CEO of the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association, shrugs his shoulders, nods in the affirmative, and says softly, 'Yes...yes there was'."



Janet I'm just feeling a little skittish.  It bothers me that Joran could be even the the tiniest bit comfortable. 

I think justice for Stephany will prevail eventually, it just does not suit my sense of timing, and although the Flore's lives have forever changed I would like to see the trial move forward for them. 


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Post by: Tamikosmom on November 11, 2010, 12:13:52 PM

Have been following the past days events from the rafters.  Beth continues to amaze me with her courage and grace in her endless quest to bring Natalee home.  We stand beside you Beth and although you have lost so much, I pray that one day your girl can be brought home.  That you can have a marker, a grave to visit, a place to put a rose. . .

In reading Mr. Flores words, I feel some concern.  I believe it is the first time I've heard him criticize the justice system in Peru.  He has always seemed so certain that justice will prevail.  The evidence is so overwhelming.  Perhaps he is just frustrated with the delays.  Perhaps it is because he sees, as Beth did, the lengths Joran and his lawyers will go, the discrediting of his victims, the arrogance that he displays.
Perhaps I make mountains of molehills...still, I am concerned.

Money won't buy you love, but money (taken from interviews about his crimes) will buy liberties, protection, favors, delays.

Mr. Flores wants swift justice and I don't blame him! 

Justice for Natalee and Stefany!  ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

   

 ::rhino::

Can

I have been informed by a young Canadian pastor who has a ministry on the outskirts of Lima that bribes and influencial connections stand in the way of justice prevailing in Peru from traffic violations all the way up.  In other words ... the justice system is corrupt.

I was hoping that the Flores' influence and political connection implied that justice would prevail for Stephany but after reading the words of Stephany's father ... maybe not.

Could it be that those within the Dutch and Aruba admiinistrations who protected Joran from accountability in the Natalee Holloway case also have the wealth, influence and power to do the same in the Stephany Flores case?

Think about it.  Joran is holding the Ace.  If he were to expose those behind the cover up in the Natalee Holloway case ... the Aruban/Dutch house of cards collapses.

Janet

<snipped>



Janet I'm just feeling a little skittish.  It bothers me that Joran could be even the the tiniest bit comfortable. 

I think justice for Stephany will prevail eventually, it just does not suit my sense of timing, and although the Flore's lives have forever changed I would like to see the trial move forward for them. 



Can

That is my hope but the words of Stephany's father do concern me.

Janet


+++++


<snipped>

http://www.generaccion.com/noticia/83737/familia-flores-aseguran-que-joran-van-der-sloot-vive-como-rey

Google Translation

FLORES FAMILY SAY JORAN LIVES LIKE KING

Stepahany Flores was murdered on 30 May in a hotel room, which hosts the Dutch Joran Van derSloot. Who is the prime suspect in the death of the young.

Everything indicates that the murderer would derSloot Van Stephany, because a video shows that he was the last to see her alive and enter the room where he was brutally murdered.

However, the family of the victim shows his great reproach to the Peruvian justice system, noting that Joran lives "like a king in jail."

"It is shameful what happens in prisons. I think the INPE has to give the same treatment to all criminals," said Ricardo Flores outraged father of the girl killed.

He added that it's been six months since the detention of the Dutch and "until this day refuses to give his statement to the judge," he said to a local television station in Lima.

"Unfortunately it seems that there are laws in Congress to protect the criminal, not to try and sentence them." Flores said indignantly.
 



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Post by: Magnolia on November 11, 2010, 12:35:29 PM
I think Mr. Flores has old political ties that lead right back to our CIA.

 I am hopeful that the CIA is assisting in trying to get the location of Natalee's remains while Joran is feeling confident and living like a king.  When the location is known and proven, the doors of justice will slam on
Joran.  I think that day is coming soon.


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Post by: can on November 11, 2010, 01:20:56 PM
I think Mr. Flores has old political ties that lead right back to our CIA.

 I am hopeful that the CIA is assisting in trying to get the location of Natalee's remains while Joran is feeling confident and living like a king.  When the location is known and proven, the doors of justice will slam on
Joran.  I think that day is coming soon.

Thank you Magnolia. 


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Post by: texasmom on November 11, 2010, 02:29:38 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_80827.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Drugs gang rolled into Mahuma

November 11, 2010, 12:36 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/aua-drugs.gif)


ORANGE CITY - Justice yesterday raided an apartment in Mahuma. It was a kilo of cocaine, a nine millimeter gun, balls and equipment to do with seized. On the picture to see a box of condoms, which was also found and included. The condoms are used for the drugs to stop drug smugglers so they are easier to absorb. In the apartment during the raid were five men, they were arrested. The men were involved in selling drugs, the preparation of spheres and organize shipments of drugs by drug smugglers to the Netherlands and the United States flew. The raid was a collaboration between the drug team of the police investigation into the North, the prosecution and the judge. Justice had been some time engaged in the research and had the apartment under surveillance. Yesterday the team decided to take action to proceed.


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Post by: Dihannah1 on November 11, 2010, 02:33:33 PM
I think Mr. Flores has old political ties that lead right back to our CIA.

 I am hopeful that the CIA is assisting in trying to get the location of Natalee's remains while Joran is feeling confident and living like a king.  When the location is known and proven, the doors of justice will slam on
Joran.  I think that day is coming soon.

I was already thinking a little the same of what Janet and Can were saying.  He seems to just get by with Everything!  How can that be possible, especially in two different countries.  However, what you just stated, I hadn't thought about and makes me feel a little better.  I pray you are right!


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Post by: texasmom on November 11, 2010, 02:34:06 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_80831.php

Google translation:

More than twice as many drug couriers arrested

November 11, 2010, 12:40 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - The police arrested 94 drug couriers last year, of whom 36 were drug smugglers. That's in 2009 Annual Report of the Police Corps Aruba (KPA). This is double the number from two years ago, when 39 drug traffickers were caught, of whom 17 drug smugglers.

The figures are from the Organized Crime Section of the police. Last year, police arrested more people, 155 total, for drug offenses of which 137 were detained. In 2008 to 109 persons in jail for violating the law on narcotics. In total, the police last year, 205 kilos of cocaine and 161 kilos of marijuana seized. Figures for other drugs are not included in the annual report of 2009, but in the 2008 report. The report shows that two years ago, 208 kilos of cocaine, 89 kilograms of marijuana and 125 ecstasy pills were seized. Those numbers were significantly lower (except for cocaine) than in 2007 when police have seized 1078 ecstasy pills put on pounds and 490.8 marihuana.Het majority (77) years of the last person imprisoned for drug offenses have Dutch nationality and , so is the annual report read, from Aruba, Curacao and the Dominican Republic.

The Special Projects Team adds that last years 'good results' were achieved in the fight against local drug sales and possession. The team took 27 cases that yielded 60 arrests. This team also says police have found success with armed robbery. 42 cases were dealt with more than half (28) were solved. The special team last year it signaled that "a substantial part 'of the young criminals armed robbery suspects who were struck by the" hit and run method. While they used "appropriate force", said the police team.

Traffic
As yesterday in this newspaper had reported, the report shows that the number of traffic accidents had increased considerably. This relates to the number of collisions recorded in 2009. The number of traffic violations also halved compared with 2008: 6463 registered offenses against 3558 last year. Motorcyclists of the Unit are on last year figures. These agents made last year a total of 2698 fines. What is also striking in the figures is that last year more pedestrians were killed in traffic: six against two in 2008. Most deaths were the last two years in Orange City.

Corps
The police closed last year with fewer jobs than in 2008. There were then 152, on December 31, 2009 the corps had 124 vacancies. KPA had a total of 538 employees whose last years 437 policemen and 101 persons (civilian) for administrative and technical support. Personnel costs were the main reasons for the higher spending compared to 2008. It was more than 7 tons florin. Last year the force spent a total of 54.7 million guilders.

Finally, it appears that even Internal Affairs Bureau and Investigations (Bizo) 136 surveys carried out among staff. The vast majority (101) surveys were antecedents. Eighteen studies were, however criminal and it was almost in all cases to abuse. In ten cases involved police officers who abuse were committed during work and in six cases, the abuse cases concerning the privacy of agents. The annual report of 2009 will not tell the agents were prosecuted in court. The annual report of 2008 is not reported on investigations of Bizo.


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Post by: texasmom on November 11, 2010, 02:36:22 PM
I think Mr. Flores has old political ties that lead right back to our CIA.

I am hopeful that the CIA is assisting in trying to get the location of Natalee's remains while Joran is feeling confident and living like a king.  When the location is known and proven, the doors of justice will slam on Joran.  I think that day is coming soon.

Interesting, thanks Magnolia!   ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 11, 2010, 02:39:34 PM
http://www.24ora.com/corte-mainmenu-29/24102-empleadonan-publico-ta-demanda-edmond-croes.html

Papiamentu translation:

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_thumbs/b.175.125.16777215.0...images.stories.news.2010.PERSONAHE.edmond.jpg)

empleadonan publico is demanda edmond croes

wednesday, 10 november 2010 14:44

one are by trahadonan in bestuurskantoor today, via advocate mr lic. benvinda m. de sousa owing to send one carta for her conocido edmond croes. in the carta they're acusa the journalist by, via her medionan sun by folk, canal 22, top 95 y boletinextra.com, is publicando noticianan cu name, adres y salary by esunnan envolvi. they're pidi’e before voluntary the stop, but will demand’e at corte. click read more before download the carta completo.





Google translation:

Mr. Edmond Croes
h.o.d.n. Solo di Pueblo, Top FM, Canal 22
Sta Cruz z / n
Alhier

Oranjestad, November 9, 2010

re: Espinoza, MAJ, Croes, ME; Lacle, C.; Villasmil, A. A., Fowler, A; Celaire, A. Webb, ER; Petrochi, ER, Daquin, J. ., Flan Gien, F. A., Acosta, AO, Mackintosh, JM, Banfield, R.; Agunbero, EH; Boekhoudt, R., Thomas, G., Hassell JM, Dimanche, AM; Geerman, RJ; Faneyte, RB, Pronk, P.; Schoop, NR

Dear Mr. Croes,

On behalf of the clients listed in the margin, I provided this notice as follows.

Clients have to their great dismay to see that you two consecutive editions - 2 and 3 last November - the morning paper published by you Solo di Pueblo, has approved of the names and salaries of the respective clients to publish.

In the second publication you are there to cap the addresses and birth dates of clients added.

These publications constitute a serious violation and a violation of, the privacy rights of clients. The publications are no journalistic interest, and they should in no way the public interest. Clients are all regular employees of the government and perform no public function.

Furthermore, in programs or on your behalf transmitted to you via the radio station Top FM OWNS, clients treated with less neat words instigate, offensive and inflammatory tone is used by clients.

Clients also have to establish that items that you use facebook and through your managed website Boletinextra.com insulting and derogatory remarks against clients expressed that their privacy rights being violated too.

Your conduct is unlawful to customers.

Clients by your wrongdoing seriously injured and damaged and they call for offer you both now, and now for then any and all liability arising from your actions they have already suffered and still suffer damage.

I urge you and if necessary I summation on behalf of a client will immediately refrain from doing any reporting, or publication, or expression of the person customers regarding, and me no later than tomorrow November 10, 2010 to 15:00 in writing log in or you will voluntarily comply with this request.

If you fail to comply with the above requested to meet clients will immediately refer the matter to the judge in interlocutory proceedings and their appropriate legal measures.

Sincerely,

mr lic Benvinda M. de Sousa


http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_80828.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Lawsuit threatened after publishing public salaries

November 11, 2010, 12:37 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Edmond Croes media maven has been at loggerheads with officials whose salaries last week in his newspaper published Solo di Pueblo. Two days ago he received a letter from the lawyer who represented the majority of these officials, stating that he must stop taxing such officials and public disclosure of private information.

The salaries of 26 employees were extended to November 3 in that paper. Solo di Pueblo is linked to opposition party MEP. It is the newspaper to close collaborators of the government-Eman, called coordinators, all working at the Administration Office. As government advisor Peter Pronk, Marko Espinoza previously worked at ATV and Armando Villasmil the press to light on behalf of ruling party ASF. On November 2 had their wages and salaries of seven others published. In the letter from the lawyer, officials Croes also his Top 95 radio station and television station Canal 22 slandered. It is insulting and derogatory remarks and self sedition, according to the letter. Croes also would be on Facebook and on the website he managed Boletinextra.com, is thus comment on the group of officials. These are now demanding that it stop Croes and also today (for three hours in the afternoon) has announced. If not, then steps to court officials. Whether this ultimatum reacted Croes, was at the time of printing of this newspaper not known


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 11, 2010, 02:48:07 PM
Hi 2NJ!  Hope you're having a good day!   ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 11, 2010, 02:49:28 PM
Hi 2NJ!  Hope you're having a good day!   ::HelloKitty::

You too, Magnolia!  You came in while I was posting!    ::MonkeyJnBox::


::CowboySmiley::


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Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 11, 2010, 06:33:41 PM
Hi 2NJ!  Hope you're having a good day!   ::HelloKitty::

 ::HelloKitty::   I had my Veteran home today.    ::MonkeyWink::

My thanks to all our Veterans!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 11, 2010, 06:59:39 PM
Hi 2NJ!  Hope you're having a good day!   ::HelloKitty::

 ::HelloKitty::   I had my Veteran home today.    ::MonkeyWink::

My thanks to all our Veterans!

 ::MonkeyCool::

I'm glad you got to spend the day with your Veteran 2NJ!

God bless yours, and all our Veterans.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Sharon/Tx on November 11, 2010, 07:00:28 PM
Tamikosmom said: "Think about it.  Joran is holding the Ace.  If he were to expose those behind the cover up in the Natalee Holloway case ... the Aruban/Dutch house of cards collapses."

Janet

Bingo, Janet!  Think about what this little twerp has done and how many have covered up for him.  It's really a disgrace.  I wonder what the cost of the F-16's were?  I wonder what Joran Vandersloot and the Kalpoe's have cost Aruba in tourism?  I hope and pray Mr. Flores gets justice and fights the corruption.  For the sake of his daughter and Natalee, I am praying for truth and justice.  It broke my heart to see Beth cry like that.  I still have faith that someone will come forward that holds a key.

                                 
Thank you Veterans as we remember you today!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Sharon/Tx on November 11, 2010, 07:02:42 PM
Goodnight Texasmom!  Thanks for all you do here!  I really appreciate you!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 11, 2010, 07:25:33 PM
Goodnight Texasmom!  Thanks for all you do here!  I really appreciate you!

Thanks Sharon/Tx!    ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: IBE on November 11, 2010, 08:18:07 PM
Hi 2NJ!  Hope you're having a good day!   ::HelloKitty::

 ::HelloKitty::   I had my Veteran home today.    ::MonkeyWink::

My thanks to all our Veterans!

Glad to hear that! Best to all Vets and their families, friends.

Love, IBE


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: IBE on November 11, 2010, 08:22:48 PM
Dear Monkey Family,

Personally I suffer from CRS syndrome (Can't Remember ..you know what) so when ever I see repeated posts here from the present or the past it either helps me remember them or I scroll right past them if I know what they say. Everything here is important in our own way for the Justice for Natalee.

We all are family.

Strength to all here


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Post by: MuffyBee on November 11, 2010, 08:23:20 PM
It's so good to see you IBE.   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 11, 2010, 08:28:41 PM
In Flanders Fields

written in 1915 by John McCrae

In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.

We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved, and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.

Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.

 
Flanders, in north-west Belgium, was the scene of one of the bloodiest battles of the World War I.  One of the few things said to have survived the bloodshed was the poppy.  Lieutenant-Colonel John McCrea, a Canadian doctor serving on the battlefield, wrote this poem after treating the battle wounded and burying the dead.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: IBE on November 11, 2010, 08:40:36 PM
IMO

I think the whereabouts is known for IMO I believe there were wiretaps of our Govt. that picked up on the conversations of Joran and Paulus that night because of Paulus' dealings. However, can't be released. Remember when the Tourist Committee with Arline (you don't understand Our System person) visited Senator Backus and he was white in the face about wiretaps?

Janet, since I sufferer from the CRS syndrome, would you please pull up the quote, I think, in Beth's book that explains the money laundering in Aruba and how it helps the North Koreans? or maybe it was in a TV interview. It IMO pretty much tells the bottom line. 

To me, Joran is a loose canon. I am surprised he has "survived" this long. He is being well protected by some powerful powers IMO.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 11, 2010, 08:51:47 PM
Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 179:
  All through August a good case seems to be building against the suspects.  The FBI is optimistic.  And the viewing public, vigilant via TV, is too.  Evoking even more support, Dr. Phil invites me to appear on his show September 7 and sends a polygraph expert, Jamie Skeeters, to the island to offer the suspects the opportunity to participate in lie-detector tests.

Accompanying Jamie are two former FBI agents.  They know a lot about this island and explain to us that Aruba is a "trampoline" country.  "A Dutch military official is concerned that North Korean diplomats assigned to Cuba are laundering drug proceeds from South America in Aruba," one of the agents tells us.  "The money is being used to finance North Korea's nuclear-arms program."  The retired FBI agent says Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice has had meetings about this concern already.  This is one very busy little island.


Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 196 - 197
: We've been in communication with everyone from Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice to Dog the Bounty Hunter trying to get help.  In Birmingham to attend a Sunday service where Secretary Rice's father used to preach, I have the extraordinary honor of sitting down with her for a few minutes.  Entering her hotel suite, I am led to my seat.  The most powerful woman in the world enters, and I can actually feel it as I approach her to shake hands.

She sits down across a coffee table from me.  Behind her are two official-looking men.  I start talking a hundred miles a minute, because I know my time with her is limited and I want to get it all in.  I tell her about Natalee's case and about everything that went wrong from the first night we arrived on the island.  How suspicious the events surrounding the investigation have been.  I tell her what I've learned about money laundering in Aruba to support the North Korean nuclear-arms program and about the drugs there.   She is very attentive.  I continue talking very fast, seated on the edge of my chair, and conclude by asking for her assistance from the FBI.  Real assistance.  I ask her if there is anything she can do to get Aruba to let the Bureau help in Natalee's case.  She speaks once.  She turns to the two men behind her and says, "I want the FBI back on this."  And that's all.  I thank her, and I know how lucky I am to have had this private meeting with Secretary Rice and what a privilege it is.  I pray that whatever happens in Natalee's favor as a result of this meeting will one day help others who may find themselves in our family's desperate predicament.

jen3560


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 11, 2010, 08:53:38 PM
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/6210363/__Criminele_neef_Remkes_onder_loep__.html

Fri 05 Mar 2010, 05:30 | 0 comments

Criminal cousin former minister under the microscope

by John van den Heuvel and Bert Houses

AMSTERDAM -- The National Research in the deepest secrecy and a half year study of the family of then Minister Johan Remkes. The same nephew of former Interior Minister was working on large-scale smuggling and money currency from North Korea.

(http://images2-telegraaf.nl/multimedia/archive/00607/33331988_jpg_607271d.jpg)
Johan Remkes.
Photo: eg Dijkstra Dijkstra, Fotoburea

The study was conducted in silence and began almost two years before Remkes stepped down as minister. It has led during his ministerial duties until a seizure worth several million euros. The study was highly sensitive because it was family minister.

Rogue State
The cousin was involved in the laundering of large sums of money from a so-called rogue state. North Korea was among the Americans' axis of evil ". The Telegraph reveals exclusive report this morning in a "top secret" investigation file of the national public prosecutor, which still must come to court. Thus, the nephew in the act committed by an observation team to a big money transaction.

Quarrel
Former Minister Remkes showed yesterday that he "parted" with his eponymous family. "I have therefore nothing to say." He also says not to comment on whether he minister and head of the police and secret service AIVD informed about the investigation into his cousin. "I never talk about what I heard was a minister. The line I keep." The lawyer is the cousin of his client by Prosecutor offered a deal, so the North Korean currency smuggling not have to come to court.

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http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1012/Binnenland/article/detail/467845/2010/03/05/Neef-Remkes-verdacht-van-witwaspraktijken-en-smokkel.dhtml

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: IBE on November 11, 2010, 09:12:17 PM
The crepe paper poppy is a tm of the American Legion Auxiliary http://www.legion-aux.org (http://www.legion-aux.org)

The British, Canadian poppy and the VFW poppies are constructed differently.

Across the Nation each Department (state level) has the veterans in the hospitals make them by hand. They are paid for each one and in turn the poppies are sent to each American Legion Auxiliary Unit across the Nation (a required program for us). Our order for this coming May is 400.

So in May we open each poppy by hand (I've opened hundreds and hundreds of them and can do it it in my sleep); have our poppy cans ready and pass out the poppies. We do not "sell" them but 99 % of the time get contributions back for them. You should see how the people's faces light up!

Our American Legion Auxiliary Unit pays for the making of our ordered poppies, 10 % net to the Dept. to help Veteran's and net goes into the use of only  our Unit's Veteran's programs and education, not into the general fund.

It seems that in Flanders we had to leave our troops deceased in the trenches. When we came back to get them, the whole field was covered in poppies.

At first home grown poppies were given out, then made of silk and now the ones on wire with supposedly  4 petals, center, white cover (glue covering) and banner. I remember them being a tradition in our family in Indiana as much as the Salvation Army kettles were at Christmas. It used to be that each Unit's named appeared in the banner. Now is says the ALA, the year and in memory. Some on eBay collect one for each year.

Well, that's all I can remember at the moment. Love, IBE Past American Legion Auxiliary local Unit Pres. for 5 years off and on. (sitting here eating snicker doodles)

I'd upload a picture of the poppy from our National site but don't know how to do it.

OH The Flanders poppies are not to be confused with the other red ones, the Shirley poppies. I order my seeds on eBay. When our Juniors (we mentor our young lady members) did a fundraiser selling packets of seeds, I ordered in bulk from Texas and then we put them into 1x2 inch or so plastic zip lock bag. Sold them for a $1. Made money. The seeds are so small we used a teaspoon for each bag.

oh hecky darn... just lost the connection. Hope this posts.

There are even poppy seals and poppy scarves, jewelry (see "Emblem sales" the catalog on the website)




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: IBE on November 11, 2010, 09:21:13 PM
Janet, Thanks. Boy are you quick. What do you use as your database? You and Klaas are neck and neck in the Fast Dept.!

A few years ago I found a connection between Anita or Paulus, might have been Paulus who had a brother in the NL "Congress". I thought that that was a good connection but the computer that it is on is down. I am sure I have the backup somewhere. CRS


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: IBE on November 11, 2010, 09:25:49 PM
Thanks Texasmom. Am going to run over to the blinkoncrime.com site for a few minutes to get caught up and will be back.

Thanks again! Live, IBE

PS Brain injuries are really big in this war among the Vets, men and women, plus loss of limbs.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 11, 2010, 10:05:07 PM
Janet, Thanks. Boy are you quick. What do you use as your database? You and Klaas are neck and neck in the Fast Dept.!

A few years ago I found a connection between Anita or Paulus, might have been Paulus who had a brother in the NL "Congress". I thought that that was a good connection but the computer that it is on is down. I am sure I have the backup somewhere. CRS

Hi IBE

Although I do now ... prior to your request I did not have ANYTHING backed up in regards to the North Korean issue.  I used the SM search engine.  Key Words: North Korea.  Jen and texasmom's posts were revealed.

I hope you are keeping well.

Janet
   


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Post by: klaasend on November 11, 2010, 10:51:42 PM
IBE- great to see you!  Sorry I missed you while you were here!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 11, 2010, 10:52:44 PM
Did you guys notice that I bumped the Natalee Holloway forum up so it's above Musings now?  I don't know why it was below Musings before, it needs to be up with the other MP forums.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 11, 2010, 11:07:06 PM
Did you guys notice that I bumped the Natalee Holloway forum up so it's above Musings now?  I don't know why it was below Musings before, it needs to be up with the other MP forums.  ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyCool::  Thanks, Klaas.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: billb's daughter on November 11, 2010, 11:18:48 PM
I had forgotten about the North Korean and Condi Rice situation...Thanks for bringing it up again IBE and thanks to Janet and Texas Mom for all the work they and many others do on this forum!
It will really burn my arse to learn that our govt was involved in any way to sideline Justice for Natalee for any reason! If our govt did it must have been that blackmail was deemed more important than the rights of an American citizen.... ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 11, 2010, 11:50:49 PM
Ricardo Flores

'Joran lives "like a king in jail.'

'It is shameful what happens in prisons. I think the INPE has to give the same treatment to all criminals.'

'Unfortunately it seems that there are laws in Congress to protect the criminal, not to try and sentence them.'


November 10/01

http://www.generaccion.com/noticia/83737/familia-flores-aseguran-que-joran-van-der-sloot-vive-como-rey


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: billb's daughter on November 11, 2010, 11:54:18 PM
IMO

I think the whereabouts is known for IMO I believe there were wiretaps of our Govt. that picked up on the conversations of Joran and Paulus that night because of Paulus' dealings. However, can't be released. Remember when the Tourist Committee with Arline (you don't understand Our System person) visited Senator Backus and he was white in the face about wiretaps?

Janet, since I sufferer from the CRS syndrome, would you please pull up the quote, I think, in Beth's book that explains the money laundering in Aruba and how it helps the North Koreans? or maybe it was in a TV interview. It IMO pretty much tells the bottom line. 

To me, Joran is a loose canon. I am surprised he has "survived" this long. He is being well protected by some powerful powers IMO.
Senator Backus and he was white in the face about wiretaps?
I think I'll look into a FOIA inquiry to see if we can get more on the meeting with Sen Backus and arubas reps...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: billb's daughter on November 12, 2010, 12:24:17 AM

I made a request online for FOIA inquiry regarding Senator Spencer Backus and aruba delegation wrt Natalee Holloway disappearance May 2005. I have no idea what response I'll receive, but I encourange others to consider make requests. Link to FOIA request:
http://www.fcc.gov/foia/Welcome.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 12, 2010, 12:27:13 AM

Senator Backus and he was white in the face about wiretaps?
I think I'll look into a FOIA inquiry to see if we can get more on the meeting with Sen Backus and arubas reps...

Hi billb

It would be great if you could access some official documents regarding the Spencer Bachus meeting with the Aruban delegation headed by Richardson.

Bachus emerged from that meeting upholding the investigation which had prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway..

Janet

+++++++ 



Spencer Bachus - Prior to the Meeting

Birmingham News -  June 5, 2005

U.S. Rep. Spencer Bachus, R-Vestavia Hills, said Saturday there were circumstances surrounding Holloway's disappearance that warranted the FBI being heavily involved. He declined to give details.
 
"The circumstances were disturbing," said Bachus, who formally requested the FBI's involvement. "I can't get into it, but it's something the family is aware of. There was an immediate recognition that this was not simply a teen who wandered off."


Spencer Bachus - Following the Meeting

CBS News - December 16, 2005


(AP) Rep. Spencer Bachus said he came away from a Friday meeting with Aruban officials with the sense that they plan to vigorously pursue leads in the disappearance of American student Natalee Holloway.

Bachus, R-Ala., whose district includes Mountain Brook, where Holloway is from, divulged little about the substance of the meeting, saying only it was a "frank and open discussion" and that Aruban authorities have devoted "tremendous resources" to the case.

"Their intention going forward ... is not to shut this case down, but to continue to pursue it vigorously," Bachus told reporters. "They do not consider it a closed case nor do they consider that they have a dead end. They continue to develop information and pursue leads."

Bachus and Alabama officials would not comment on exactly what Richardson, Aruban police analyst Renato Emerencia and Aruban attorney Arlene Ellis Schipper told them about

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/12/16/politics/main1134653.shtml


On the Record w/ Greta - December 16, 2005

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Your gut reaction from the meeting?  Do you feel confident this is the right team to be leading the investigation or would you like to see some changes?

SPENCER BACHUS: It’s a small island and they are handicapped by their experience.  But I was impressed with what they had done…at least the work product.  I have seen cases…I’ve been to hired to prosecute murder cases where there is almost no file.  I will say that the resources that have been devoted to this case are really probably more substantial than most murder cases here in the United States.

VAN SUSTEREN: Have there been any leaks that have possibly jeopardized the investigation?  You don’t have to go into any details of the actual leaks but did they tell you…are you convinced that anything said so far hurt the investigation?

BACHUS: It is my understanding they were running wiretaps and it was disclosed…

VAN SUSTEREN: Would that be the initial first week before the initial arrest?

BACHUS: This was in the first weeks, that is what they’re telling me.

VAN SUSTEREN: Since that time there have been no other leaks they told you about that hurt the investigation?

BACHUS: I think if anything it is the news media.  Your show and others that probably do result in more…inaudible

VAN SUSTEREN: Okay, thank you sir.

BACHUS: I don’t have any criticism of them...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 12, 2010, 12:41:33 AM
IMO

I think the whereabouts is known for IMO I believe there were wiretaps of our Govt. that picked up on the conversations of Joran and Paulus that night because of Paulus' dealings. However, can't be released. Remember when the Tourist Committee with Arline (you don't understand Our System person) visited Senator Backus and he was white in the face about wiretaps?

Janet, since I sufferer from the CRS syndrome, would you please pull up the quote, I think, in Beth's book that explains the money laundering in Aruba and how it helps the North Koreans? or maybe it was in a TV interview. It IMO pretty much tells the bottom line. 

To me, Joran is a loose canon. I am surprised he has "survived" this long. He is being well protected by some powerful powers IMO.

WIRETAPS

Spencer Buchus

On the Record w/ Greta - December 16, 2005


GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Have there been any leaks that have possibly jeopardized the investigation?  You don’t have to go into any details of the actual leaks but did they tell you…are you convinced that anything said so far hurt the investigation?

SPENCER BACHUS: It is my understanding they were running wiretaps and it was disclosed…

VAN SUSTEREN: Would that be the initial first week before the initial arrest?

BACHUS: This was in the first weeks, that is what they’re telling me.


Gerold Dompig

48 Hours Mystery - March 22, 2006


Dompig says surveillance of the three boys began on the third day after Natalee was reported missing and included observation, telephone wire taps, and even monitoring of their e-mail.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/22/48hours/main1430644_page3.shtml




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: billb's daughter on November 12, 2010, 01:31:59 AM
billb, wreck, Magnolia and 6 Guests are viewing this topic.
Good night Good Monkeys.....
Justice for Natalee is just around the corner...
Good night MuffyBee....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 12, 2010, 07:44:00 AM
http://www.diario.aw/2010/11/castigo-di-2-ana-exigi-contra-persona-acusa-di-causa-morto-den-trafico-di-turista-canades/

Papiamentu translation:

castigo by 2 year exigi contra person acusa by cause dead in trafico by tourist canades

publication: diabierna, 12 november 2010.

categoria: general

oranjestad(aan): diahuebs j.c.g.g owing to present at corte by husticia, debi at the mature cu past owing to wordo acusa by owing to cause one accidente during cu the was bao by influencia by alcohol, causando so dead by one tourist canades, y heridando casa by the canades seriamente.

is deal by the caso where cu the pareha canades owing to descend for by one barco crusero y owing to huur quadracer before core rond by aruba.

at beach the accidente did take lugar y he owing to fayece, while cu her casa owing to wordo injury enough earnest.

hour police owing to do test by alcohol on the chofer by the car cu owing to cause the accidente, owing to resulta cu the was have more alcohol in her blood by thing is wordo permiti.

fiscal owing to trece fast cu the type by casonan here where cu person is lose they life door cu one chofer owing to consumi mucho alcohol, is birando mucho quite at aruba.

past owing to say cu ministerio publico some time happen for her motibo ey owing to reuni cu cuerpo policial y minister by husticia, y they all was by acuerdo cu algo have to wordo do before cu this, incluyendo come cu castigonan more severo, before so this will can spanta person cu likes drink behind stuur.

apart from this fiscal owing to trece fast cu casa by the difunto still is wordo deal before her heridanan y cu the muher assure owing to remain cu one trauma after by owing to lose her casa.

fiscal owing to say cu past owing to hang on to cuenta cu all this y owing to dicidi by exigi one castigo incondicional by 2 year contra j.c.g.g.

advocate chris lejuez that owing to representa the acusado owing to say huez cu the also is attain cu the caso here is earnest y quite lamentable, but the is attain cu the castigo exigi is mucho high.

lejuez owing to give huez various ehempel by casonan similar at where cu the causante by the accidente owing to attain quite less castigo.

among another past owing to trece fast one caso by one person conoci in comunidad cu owing to cause one accidente hour cu the was bao by influencia y owing to attain only 53 day by castigo.

was have also one another caso by supuesto hit & run close by aeropuerto where one person owing to fayece, caminda hof owing to descend the castigo by 2 year give in corte by first instancia, before 1 year after by the caso by apelacion.

huez owing to say cu the will give sui veredicto day 26 by november.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7221.msg1114972#msg1114972

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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7221.msg1114978#msg1114978

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7221.msg1114995#msg1114995

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2010/04/21/13661441-qmi.html

Canadian killed in ATV crash in Aruba
By RANDY RICHMOND, QMI Agency   
      
LONDON, Ont. - A St. Thomas man is dead and his wife in hospital after a crash on an ATV in Aruba that has raised questions about the safety of some vacation excursions.

According to Aruba newspaper reports, Frederich Norman, 41, was killed Friday and Christine Norman, 37, was injured when an ATV they had rented was struck by a pickup truck that may have swerved into an oncoming lane.

The crash occurred on the main road that connects the port city of Oranjestad, where cruise ships dock, with resorts that line beaches to the north.

The pair was travelling on a seven-day cruise on the Caribbean Princess, said Julie Benson, vice-president of public affairs for Princess Cruise Lines in California.

"The whole thing is just so tragic," Benson said Tuesday. "We were very saddened to learn about the accident."

Benson confirmed the couple was from the St. Thomas area.

Benson also said Christine Benson had been airlifted from a hospital in Aruba to Canada.

A patient named Christine Benson was listed in fair condition Tuesday at London Health Sciences Centre, but the hospital could not confirm her age.

A four-wheel ATV ridden by the Normans collided head-on with the pickup truck, throwing both Canadians from the vehicle, according to a report in an Aruban newspaper, Diario, and online accounts from fellow passengers.

According to the newspaper story, the truck may have swerved into the ATV and police reportedly found drugs in the cab.

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: jen3560 on November 12, 2010, 11:37:13 AM
Just wanted to pop in and say howdy to all the dedicated Monkeys.  ::MonkeyKiss::  Whenever I get the chance to come and read, I'm awed anew at the passion, love and demands for Justice.

Seeing Beth talk about that spot on the beach.............the fisherman's huts.............just makes me shake my head at the tragic loss due to nothing but self serving desires.

Why has no one murdered that little monster in the Peruvian prison yet??



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 12, 2010, 01:32:18 PM
Just wanted to pop in and say howdy to all the dedicated Monkeys.  ::MonkeyKiss::  Whenever I get the chance to come and read, I'm awed anew at the passion, love and demands for Justice.

Seeing Beth talk about that spot on the beach.............the fisherman's huts.............just makes me shake my head at the tragic loss due to nothing but self serving desires.

Why has no one murdered that little monster in the Peruvian prison yet??


Good to see you Jen.  We miss you around here.  Hope your baby boy is growing and making you
happier every day. ::MonkeyAngel::

As to Joran...my guess is that they are waiting to get some information out of him.  I hope that
is the case anyway.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on November 12, 2010, 01:38:05 PM
Did you guys notice that I bumped the Natalee Holloway forum up so it's above Musings now?  I don't know why it was below Musings before, it needs to be up with the other MP forums.  ::MonkeyCool::

 :smt045 :smt045  Thank you Klaas. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 12, 2010, 02:10:20 PM
Ricardo Flores:

'Joran lives like a king in jail.'

'It is shameful what happens in prisons. I think the INPE has to give the same treatment to all criminals.'

'Unfortunately it seems that there are laws in Congress to protect the criminal, not to try and sentence them.'


November, 2010

http://www.generaccion.com/noticia/83737/familia-flores-aseguran-que-joran-van-der-sloot-vive-como-rey


Mixed Messages

Enrique Flores:

'I Really Trust the Pervian System.'


September, 2010

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 12, 2010, 02:24:02 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_80900.php

Google translation:

ARUBA
Vehicles auctioned Maiky Faro
November 12, 2010, 13:35 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The parking lot of the tax was auctioned off this morning, three vehicles owned by Maiky Faro. Faro, who last year died in prison after he was convicted of the one million fraud of the Land Laboratory, would these vehicles with money from the fraud bought. It was an SUV, a car and a pleasure boat with two engines. Interested could see the vehicles and provide it. Opposite Amigoe confirms Meverly Romano, spokesman for the tax that the vehicles were sold. The sales price amounts she does not, for reasons of privacy.

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=5224&offId=20&offDate=2010-11

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 12, 2010, 05:52:21 PM
Video at the link:

http://elcomercio.pe/lima/668035/noticia-tv-holandesa-habria-tenido-permiso-inpe-grabar-van-der-sloot-camaras-escondidas

Google translation:

Dutch TV would have been allowed to record INPE Van der Sloot on hidden cameras

The former prison director Amame Alex Castro said the orders came from Ruben Rodriguez Rabanal, former head of the National Prison

Friday November 12, 2010 - 03:54 pm 4 comments

(Video: Panamericana Tv)
The installation of cameras in the office of the Director of the Castro Castro prison to record the Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, a suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and confessed murderer of Stephany Floreswould have been authorized by the National Penitentiary Institute (INPE).

Speaking to the "Public Enemies," former director of the detention center Alex Samano said the head of INPE at the time, Ruben Rodriguez Rabanal, gave his approval to the request made by Dutch television.

Version that matches that of the journalist Peter R. De Vries, who was with Beth Twitty, Holloway's mother, his confrontation with Van der Sloot.

"We had permission to enter the prison, but do not pay for that, not bribed or promised anything to anyone. We had permission to visit Van der Sloot, even to carry our equipment within the prison, "said De Vries.

The journalist, known in the Netherlands to uncover and solve several cases police claimed that not having the right papers would have been impossible to let him enter the prison with several boxes of equipment. "Everything went according to the rules of criminal," he said.

RESEARCH IN PROGRESS
Through a statement, the INPE said it has arranged for the Office of Internal Affairs conducted "an exhaustive investigation" to determine what were the circumstances in which it was recording the interview and Van der Sloot.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 13, 2010, 01:08:55 AM
De salir todo como el abogado Máximo Altívez lo ha planeado, su defendido Joran Van der Sloot podría abandonar la prisión en tan solo 6 años tras admitir el asesinato de Stephany Flores.

Todo se reduciría en anular su primera manifestación donde no precisa que pasó con los 800 soles que la joven de 21 años tenía cuando murió y que movió el carro porque se lo pidió una señora y no con intenciones de robarlo. Según un medio local, Joran asumiría su responsabilidad en este asesinato pero negaría el robo.

De esta manera, si Joran podría ser sentenciado a 20 años por homicidio pero con beneficios penitenciarios podría salir tras cumplir una parte de su condena.

Denunciará a la mamá de Natalee

Luego se precisa que el holandés denunciaría a Beth Holloway por haber usado cámaras escondidas para grabar su conversación con él. Además, la denunciaría por corrupción de funcionarios.

http://trome.pe/actualidad/667923/noticia-joran-van-der-sloot-saldria-anos


Joran Van der Sloot Could Serve Only 6 Years

If everything goes as the lawyer Maximum Highness has planned, his client, Joran Van der Sloot,
could leave the prison in only 6 years after admitting the murder of Stephany Flores.
Everything would be reduced by annulling Joran's first confession that he stole the 800 suns that
the young woman of 21 years had when she died and that he moved the car only because he was
asked to and not because he intended to steal it.
According to his lawyer, Joran would assume the responsibility of the murder, but would deny the
robbery.
That way, if Joran could be sentenced to 20 years for homicide, but could be paroled after serving
only part of his sentence.
Soon the lawyer on behalf of Joran will file charges against Beth Holloway to have used hidden
cameras to record a conversation with Joran.  In addition the lawyer will file charges of corruption
against several civil servants.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 13, 2010, 01:43:27 AM
De salir todo como el abogado Máximo Altívez lo ha planeado, su defendido Joran Van der Sloot podría abandonar la prisión en tan solo 6 años tras admitir el asesinato de Stephany Flores.

Todo se reduciría en anular su primera manifestación donde no precisa que pasó con los 800 soles que la joven de 21 años tenía cuando murió y que movió el carro porque se lo pidió una señora y no con intenciones de robarlo. Según un medio local, Joran asumiría su responsabilidad en este asesinato pero negaría el robo.

De esta manera, si Joran podría ser sentenciado a 20 años por homicidio pero con beneficios penitenciarios podría salir tras cumplir una parte de su condena.

Denunciará a la mamá de Natalee

Luego se precisa que el holandés denunciaría a Beth Holloway por haber usado cámaras escondidas para grabar su conversación con él. Además, la denunciaría por corrupción de funcionarios.

http://trome.pe/actualidad/667923/noticia-joran-van-der-sloot-saldria-anos


Joran Van der Sloot Could Serve Only 6 Years

If everything goes as the lawyer Maximum Highness has planned, his client, Joran Van der Sloot, could leave the prison in only 6 years after admitting the murder of Stephany Flores.
Everything would be reduced by annulling Joran's first confession that he stole the 800 suns that the young woman of 21 years had when she died and that he moved the car only because he was asked to and not because he intended to steal it.

According to his lawyer, Joran would assume the responsibility of the murder, but would deny the robbery.

That way, if Joran could be sentenced to 20 years for homicide, but could be paroled after serving only part of his sentence.

Soon the lawyer on behalf of Joran will file charges against Beth Holloway to have used hidden
cameras to record a conversation with Joran.  In addition the lawyer will file charges of corruption against several civil servants.

Joran's lawyer can dream I guess.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I don't think robbery is going to be excluded from the charges...there's too much that points to his being desperate for money before the murder...and then he had money to pay for his escape from Peru into Chile.

No matter what the sentence is...unless Joran keeps his room in solitary...his money will run out and John Walsh's prediction will come to pass.  He won't last anywhere near six years.

I'm sure the lawyer running his mouth about filing charges against Beth is really rallying support too, what an idiot!   ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 13, 2010, 01:45:25 AM
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Justice for Natalee,
and Stephany!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: billb's daughter on November 13, 2010, 02:57:58 AM
urine is in prison...
king treatment in prison? so what..
urine is in prison.....
urine will die there...
Justice for Natalee and Stephany will be realized.... ::MonkeyAngel::
the little bastard urine is toast.....
Whatever happens with urine...our focus should be on exposing aruba and the coverup crew and the persistence crew and  our own govt if it leads there.....
by the way...the response I received from FOIA...
Dear ....

This is in response to your Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request electronically submitted to the Federal Communications Commission on November 12, 2010, seeking "any records related to Senator Spencer Backus and Aruba delegation meetings with regard to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway on Aruba in May 2005."
 
The Federal Communications Commission is a regulatory agency which is responsible for regulating interstate and foreign communications.  Thus, the records that you seek are not within the Commission's jurisdiction.


Please note also that there is no central office in the government that processes FOIA requests for all federal agencies.  Each agency responds to requests for its own records.  The records that you seek may be in the possession of the Federal Bureau of Investigations. 

For your convenience, I have provided below the principal FOIA contact for the office which may possess the records that you seek. Please
direct your inquiry accordingly.   

            Federal Bureau of Investigations
            David M. Hardy, Chief
            Records Management Division
            935 Pennsylvania Ave., N.W.
            Washington, D.C.  20535-0001
            Telephone: 202-324-3625   

Sincerely,



Benish Shah
Office of Managing Director
Federal Communications Commission



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: wreck on November 13, 2010, 03:14:12 AM
urine is in prison...
king treatment in prison? so what..
urine is in prison.....
urine will die there...
Justice for Natalee and Stephany will be realized.... ::MonkeyAngel::
the little bastard urine is toast.....
Whatever happens with urine...our focus should be on exposing aruba and the coverup crew and the persistence crew and  our own govt if it leads there.....
by the way...the response I received from FOIA...
Dear ....

This is in response to your Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request electronically submitted to the Federal Communications Commission on November 12, 2010, seeking "any records related to Senator Spencer Backus and Aruba delegation meetings with regard to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway on Aruba in May 2005."
 
The Federal Communications Commission is a regulatory agency which is responsible for regulating interstate and foreign communications.  Thus, the records that you seek are not within the Commission's jurisdiction.


Please note also that there is no central office in the government that processes FOIA requests for all federal agencies.  Each agency responds to requests for its own records.  The records that you seek may be in the possession of the Federal Bureau of Investigations. 

For your convenience, I have provided below the principal FOIA contact for the office which may possess the records that you seek. Please
direct your inquiry accordingly.   

            Federal Bureau of Investigations
            David M. Hardy, Chief
            Records Management Division
            935 Pennsylvania Ave., N.W.
            Washington, D.C.  20535-0001
            Telephone: 202-324-3625   

Sincerely,



Benish Shah
Office of Managing Director
Federal Communications Commission


I think you are right. This is the end for Joran.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on November 13, 2010, 06:19:23 AM
Did you guys notice that I bumped the Natalee Holloway forum up so it's above Musings now?  I don't know why it was below Musings before, it needs to be up with the other MP forums.  ::MonkeyCool::

 :smt045 :smt045  Thank you Klaas. 

I was wondering what that loud bang that knocked me on my butt was.

 ::MonkeyTongue::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on November 13, 2010, 06:26:37 AM
De salir todo como el abogado Máximo Altívez lo ha planeado, su defendido Joran Van der Sloot podría abandonar la prisión en tan solo 6 años tras admitir el asesinato de Stephany Flores.

Todo se reduciría en anular su primera manifestación donde no precisa que pasó con los 800 soles que la joven de 21 años tenía cuando murió y que movió el carro porque se lo pidió una señora y no con intenciones de robarlo. Según un medio local, Joran asumiría su responsabilidad en este asesinato pero negaría el robo.

De esta manera, si Joran podría ser sentenciado a 20 años por homicidio pero con beneficios penitenciarios podría salir tras cumplir una parte de su condena.

Denunciará a la mamá de Natalee

Luego se precisa que el holandés denunciaría a Beth Holloway por haber usado cámaras escondidas para grabar su conversación con él. Además, la denunciaría por corrupción de funcionarios.

http://trome.pe/actualidad/667923/noticia-joran-van-der-sloot-saldria-anos


Joran Van der Sloot Could Serve Only 6 Years

If everything goes as the lawyer Maximum Highness has planned, his client, Joran Van der Sloot, could leave the prison in only 6 years after admitting the murder of Stephany Flores.
Everything would be reduced by annulling Joran's first confession that he stole the 800 suns that the young woman of 21 years had when she died and that he moved the car only because he was asked to and not because he intended to steal it.

According to his lawyer, Joran would assume the responsibility of the murder, but would deny the robbery.

That way, if Joran could be sentenced to 20 years for homicide, but could be paroled after serving only part of his sentence.

Soon the lawyer on behalf of Joran will file charges against Beth Holloway to have used hidden
cameras to record a conversation with Joran.  In addition the lawyer will file charges of corruption against several civil servants.

Joran's lawyer can dream I guess.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I don't think robbery is going to be excluded from the charges...there's too much that points to his being desperate for money before the murder...and then he had money to pay for his escape from Peru into Chile.

No matter what the sentence is...unless Joran keeps his room in solitary...his money will run out and John Walsh's prediction will come to pass.  He won't last anywhere near six years.

I'm sure the lawyer running his mouth about filing charges against Beth is really rallying support too, what an idiot!   ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

JMO

Every time a family mourns,
Another lawyer gets their horns.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 13, 2010, 11:17:32 AM
De salir todo como el abogado Máximo Altívez lo ha planeado, su defendido Joran Van der Sloot podría abandonar la prisión en tan solo 6 años tras admitir el asesinato de Stephany Flores.

Todo se reduciría en anular su primera manifestación donde no precisa que pasó con los 800 soles que la joven de 21 años tenía cuando murió y que movió el carro porque se lo pidió una señora y no con intenciones de robarlo. Según un medio local, Joran asumiría su responsabilidad en este asesinato pero negaría el robo.

De esta manera, si Joran podría ser sentenciado a 20 años por homicidio pero con beneficios penitenciarios podría salir tras cumplir una parte de su condena.

Denunciará a la mamá de Natalee

Luego se precisa que el holandés denunciaría a Beth Holloway por haber usado cámaras escondidas para grabar su conversación con él. Además, la denunciaría por corrupción de funcionarios.

http://trome.pe/actualidad/667923/noticia-joran-van-der-sloot-saldria-anos


Joran Van der Sloot Could Serve Only 6 Years

If everything goes as the lawyer Maximum Highness has planned, his client, Joran Van der Sloot, could leave the prison in only 6 years after admitting the murder of Stephany Flores.
Everything would be reduced by annulling Joran's first confession that he stole the 800 suns that the young woman of 21 years had when she died and that he moved the car only because he was asked to and not because he intended to steal it.

According to his lawyer, Joran would assume the responsibility of the murder, but would deny the robbery.

That way, if Joran could be sentenced to 20 years for homicide, but could be paroled after serving only part of his sentence.

Soon the lawyer on behalf of Joran will file charges against Beth Holloway to have used hidden
cameras to record a conversation with Joran.  In addition the lawyer will file charges of corruption against several civil servants.

Joran's lawyer can dream I guess.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I don't think robbery is going to be excluded from the charges...there's too much that points to his being desperate for money before the murder...and then he had money to pay for his escape from Peru into Chile.

No matter what the sentence is...unless Joran keeps his room in solitary...his money will run out and John Walsh's prediction will come to pass.  He won't last anywhere near six years.

I'm sure the lawyer running his mouth about filing charges against Beth is really rallying support too, what an idiot!   ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

JMO

Every time a family mourns,
Another lawyer gets their horns.



So true.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 13, 2010, 12:09:26 PM
 ::MonkeyAngel::

http://obits.al.com/obituaries/birmingham/obituary.aspx?n=kathryn-devan-kemp&pid=146570222

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http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/11/award-winning_alabama_journali.html

Award-winning Birmingham journalist Kathy Kemp dies after long battle with cancer

Published: Tuesday, November 09, 2010, 10:24 PM     Updated: Wednesday, November 10, 2010, 9:19 AM
Bob Carlton -- The Birmingham News

Kathy Kemp was a feature writer and Sunday columnist for The Birmingham News.

Kathy Kemp, a respected journalist whose gentle prose and refreshing humor delighted readers of The Birmingham News and the old Birmingham Post-Herald for almost 30 years, died tonight after a nearly decade-long battle with cancer.

Ms. Kemp was 55.

In her award-winning features and Sunday columns, Ms. Kemp wrote with a passion for, and an understanding of, the people and places that made her hometown of Birmingham and her home state of Alabama so fascinating.

"Kathy was a brave and gifted writer," Birmingham News Editor Tom Scarritt said tonight. "We will miss her very much."

After she learned she had breast cancer nearly 10 years ago, Ms. Kemp also wrote candidly and courageously about her disease, matter-of-factly sharing the details of her illness with readers while also marveling about how it had given her a new appreciation for life's simple pleasures.

"When you have cancer, as I do, you start to notice things," she wrote in a 2003 column. "The veins in the petals of a perfect red rose. The sweetness in the air after a late-spring rain. All the small miracles of ordinary life."

Ms. Kemp joined a close-knit group of cancer survivors and caregivers who called themselves the Traveling Sisterhood, and, emboldened with a new sense of adventure, she went on fly-fishing trips to Montana and Louisiana with the group.

"I had no idea how many times and in how many places a woman could hook herself (eyebrows, nostrils, third toe on left foot) without catching so much as a minnow," Ms. Kemp wrote following one of her fishing expeditions.

In 2007, the Breast Cancer Research Foundation of Alabama honored Ms. Kemp at the Pink Ribbon Tee Party and Auction the group holds each year before its charity golf tournament.
"Kathy showed others a tremendous amount of courage and what you can do while you are fighting this disease," Dolly O'Neal, the foundation's co-founder, said Tuesday. "Kathy Kemp was just such a survivor. Her stories were so upbeat."

Earlier this year, Ms. Kemp won the Alabama Press Association's first-place prize for best human interest column for her 2009 column about undergoing Gamma Knife brain surgery.
"We stopped for fried chicken on the way home," Ms. Kemp wrote of the experience. "The treatment must have affected my memory, because I couldn't recall anything ever tasting that good."

But Ms. Kemp's cancer did not define her as a journalist, or as a person. Her humor, compassion and natural curiosity did.

Whether writing about Beth Holloway's anguished search for her missing daughter, Natalee, or about an illiterate laborer learning how to read in his late 50s, Ms. Kemp did so with dignity and respect.

Clyde Bolton, the retired sports columnist for The Birmingham News, said he knew Ms. Kemp was special the summer she interned for the paper. Her body of work through the years proved him right.

"She had that passion for writing that all good writers have," Bolton said Tuesday. "And she had that little touch of humor that she could drop into most any situation that she was writing about.

"Plus, she was a very good person, the kind of person that the world needs more of."

A Birmingham native, Ms. Kemp grew up in West End -- coincidentally, in the same house where former Birmingham News food editor Jo Ellen O'Hara also grew up. When Ms. Kemp went to work at The News as an intern in the 1970s, Ms. O'Hara became her editor and the two forged a lasting friendship.

After graduating from West End High School, Ms. Kemp studied journalism at the University of Alabama at Birmingham and English at Southern Connecticut State College in New Haven, Conn.
Ms. Kemp spent four years as a feature writer for The New Haven Register before returning home to Birmingham in 1981 to begin a 16-year tenure at the Post-Herald, where she won the Associated Press Newswriting Sweepstakes Award for a series on the Ku Klux Klan.

While at the Post-Herald, she covered entertainment, features and news, and the Scripps Howard News Service three times honored her as its Writer of the Year. Scripps Howard later inducted her into its Editorial Hall of Fame.

"She loved that city (Birmingham) and she told the stories of the people of that city better than anyone else has ever done," Suzanne Dent, her former editor at the Post-Herald, said Tuesday.
In 1998, Ms. Kemp rejoined The Birmingham News as a feature writer and Sunday columnist, engaging readers with her colorful yarns -- from a day-in-the-life feature on the go-go-booted Birmingham Thunderbolts cheerleaders to a profile of Georgette Jones, the daughter of country music legends George Jones and Tammy Wynette.

She also authored three books -- "Reflections: Alabama's Visionary Folk Artists," "Welcome to Lickskillet (and Other Crazy Places in the Deep South)" and "The Beauty Box."

Ms. Kemp, a member of Third Presbyterian Church, is survived by her mother, Drucilla Kirkwood Kemp, and her companion, Kay Argo, both of Birmingham, and a brother, John Timothy Kemp, of Moulton.

Funeral arrangements were incomplete tonight.

http://www.ap.org/alabama/pdf/apme05winner.pdf

2005 Alabama Associated Press Association Award Winners

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Quote
Keeping Natalee in the Spotlight

Birmingham News ^ | 9/18/05 | Kathy Kemp

Posted on Sun Sep 18 2005 19:23:20 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time) by freespirited

Beth Holloway Twitty tends to hug reporters.

She asks about their families and seems to mean it. In interviews, she rarely breaks eye contact and begins every few sentences with the reporter's name, as in, "Dan, it's just been a nightmare," or "You know, Larry, I can't tell you how frustrating this is."

Twitty talks daily by phone with Greta Van Susteren, the Fox News personality who practically moved to Aruba to report the story that has captivated people around the world and turned the grieving mother into a peculiar kind of superstar. Natalee Holloway, Twitty's 18-year-old daughter, disappeared May 30 during a trip to Aruba with fellow recent graduates of Mountain Brook High School. Outside a nightclub there, she got into a car with three young men and hasn't been heard from since.

"I learned pretty quickly that when you're desperately searching for a missing child, the news media is your best friend," says Twitty, who moved back to Mountain Brook last week after three-and-a-half months in Aruba.

"Point me toward a camera and I'll talk. What happens is, it opens doors. Somebody will come forward with information, or tell us another place to look. We're opening one door after another, and one of them will lead us to Natalee."

Throughout the investigation, Twitty has appeared reasonable and dignified, even as three suspects were arrested, released, arrested again and finally re-released this month. The ever-present cameras were there when Twitty calmly marched up to suspect Deepak Kalpoe at his job in an Internet cafe and demanded the truth about her daughter. All Kalpoe could do was stare at the ground.

They followed, too, as she confronted Paulus van der Sloot, father of Joran van der Sloot. Joran is the Dutch national who Twitty says has confessed to the Aruban police that he had sex with Natalee while the Alabama teen was in and out of consciousness. "If that's not a crime, I don't know what is," she says.

The case now appears stalled. But neither terrorist bombings in London nor a killer Gulf Coast hurricane could make the story go away.

"It's all because of Beth," says Jim Moret, chief correspondent for the syndicated television show "Inside Edition." He has interviewed Twitty several times, and flew to Aruba recently just to take her to lunch.

Finding her child:

"People feel like they know Beth now, and they want to hear about the case from her," Moret says. "It's like she's become a part of their family. How many parents do you know who can't identify with a mother who just wants to find her child?"

Twitty's brother, Paul Reynolds, says viewers are drawn to Twitty's honesty and sincerity. "People come up to Beth, wanting to express their sorrow, and she turns it around and starts comforting them," Reynolds says. "She's a very caring, giving person."

The near daily TV appearances that made her famous this summer don't seem to have slowed down. Moret interviewed Twitty last week in Birmingham for a two-part segment that aired Thursday and Friday. Also Thursday, Phil McGraw devoted his entire "Dr. Phil" show to Natalee's disappearance. Twitty flew to Los Angeles to appear on that program and was recognized by strangers on the street.

"People come up and hug me all the time," Twitty says. "I get so much strength from their support. For 22 years I've been a teacher, and I've felt like I was the helpful one, pulling the children along. Now I feel like everybody else is pulling me."

Wednesday evening, less than 24 hours after she moved back to Birmingham, Twitty twice appeared live on cable's MSNBC - first with lawyer and "Abrams Report" host Dan Abrams at 6 p.m., and, nearly three hours later, with anchor Rita Cosby on her program "Rita Cosby: Live and Direct."

For those interviews, Twitty and her husband, Jug, drove to a downtown production studio, where she was hooked up to a satellite feed to Washington and New York. They made the drive twice over the weekend so she could talk to Fox's Geraldo Rivera and to Van Susteren, who Twitty considers a close friend.

"Greta has taught me a lot," Twitty says, sitting cross-legged on the floor of her living room. "Greta's a lawyer, and she's taught me the red flags to look for and the key elements to seek. She's raised my awareness of things that go on in an investigation."

Twitty, a speech pathologist and special education teacher, is on leave from her job at Brookwood Forest Elementary School, thanks to co-workers who've donated enough off days to get Twitty through December. She is not wasting a minute, sleeping just four to six hours a night, and then back to the search for Natalee.

With Joran van der Sloot in college in Holland now, Twitty decided to move her base of operations back to Birmingham. "But I'll be flying back and forth to Aruba," she says. "We are not giving up on Natalee. Until somebody shows me otherwise, I have to believe my daughter's alive."

During her last two weeks on the island, Twitty says, she had started to fear for her own safety as strangers followed her everywhere she went. One man in particular stood out because of the scars on his face.

"I'd be in the laundromat and he'd show up. I'd go to a restaurant, and a minute or two later, he'd be there. I feel like I need to be more cautious now, but they're not going to stop me from looking for Natalee."

Twitty's husband, family members, friends and strangers all talk about her strength. "Beth amazes me," says Jug Twitty, a manager at Phoenix Metals, a diversified metals processor in Birmingham. "I totally admire what she's done."

"Frankly, I never would have anticipated she had this much strength and courage," her brother, a nursing home administrator in Houston, Tex., says. "She had to become stronger, to do this for her daughter."

Partial to jeans:

Physically, Twitty seems fragile, as if a bear hug might do her in. She is tall and thin - down 14 pounds from her normal 134. She's partial to blue jeans and sandals, and bears a striking resemblance to the actress Marg Helgenberger, down to the shoulder-length reddish-blond hair.

In public, Twitty smiles most of the time. Even so, her blue-gray eyes seem haunted by the things she's heard and seen, and by all that she's still looking for.

"Some of the places we've had to go to look for my daughter would make you sick," she says in that now-familiar flat Southern accent. She's talking about the Aruban crack houses, the live-girl shows and the other seedy places she and Jug have gone in the middle of the night when the phone rings with a Natalee sighting.

"We'd get a call about a body on the side of the road, and we'd rush out to see if it was Natalee," Twitty says. "It got to where you'd sleep with your clothes on so you could just get up and run."

The Twittys' life here is vastly different. They live in a split-level brick home off Overton Road, modest by Mountain Brook standards and, until Natalee's disappearance, happily concerned themselves with children, family, friends and church. The couple attends Saint Stephen's Episcopal Church in Cahaba Heights.

On television, Twitty has appeared in the company of an endless assortment of female friends, mostly her age, who appear devoted to both her and Natalee. They answer Twitty's mail, schedule her interviews and step in front of the cameras themselves when Twitty gives the word.

Many of those friends are part of a network that goes back more than a decade. It started with a group of seven male friends from the Birmingham area, including Jug Twitty, who went on hunting trips together. As they married, their wives became part of the "Fabulous Seven," as did their children.

The seven families vacation together, share holidays and weekend dinners and help raise each other's kids. When Beth married into the group five years ago, six couples joined her and Jug on their Mexican honeymoon. And when Natalee disappeared, those same six couples were at their side in Aruba.

"Natalee has seven sets of parents," group member Betsy Koepsel says. "We have 23 kids all together."

With Twitty back home, Koepsel and others, including Twitty's teacher friends, have set up a kind of command post in the home of one of The Seven, Marcie DeBardeleben. Earlier this week, DeBardeleben's former storage room was a beehive of organized activity, as volunteers sorted the tens of thousands of e-mails, letters and keepsakes that have poured in since Natalee's disappearance.

"I found one letter addressed to `Beth Holloway Twitty, U.S.A.,'" Koepsel says. "Or people will write, `Beth Twitty, Alabama,' or "Beth Twitty, Aruba,' and they always find their way to her."

Twitty is determined to answer them all. "I want to respond to everyone who's reached out to me," she says. "Without them, I don't think I could have stood this."

People have sent her CDs with music they recorded especially for Natalee. There are rosary cards, religious statues, hand-made quilts and books about hope. Every day, Twitty picks a tiny cross or angel that a well-wisher has sent and carries it in her pocket.

The letters and e-mails are sorted by state, so that she can show them to legislators and congressmen across the country to ask for their support. She is asking Americans to consider not traveling to Aruba until Natalee is found and brought home.

Three-page letters:

Some of the letter-writers tell Twitty of dreams in which they've seen Natalee in a well, or dead in the water. Many letters are three pages or more - from across the U.S. and around the world. Most offer support and prayers to the family, and for those she is especially grateful.

There have been a few e-mails and blog posts accusing Twitty of being a media hound. Her friends and family know her as anything but. "Beth's actually kind of a quiet person, and private," DeBardeleben says.

Bruce Roberts, a friend of Twitty's since their high school days in Pine Bluff, Ark., agrees. "She's never been a flashy person. At school, she was kind of quiet, not a cheerleader or anything like that. Just nice, friendly Beth."

Twitty grew up in the town of 50,000, the daughter of the late Paul Reynolds, an entrepreneur and nursing home owner, and Ann Reynolds, who worked for a savings and loan company. The family attended the small Methodist church across the street from their home and spent summers at their Hot Springs lake house swimming, boating and skiing.

Twitty, at 45, is the youngest of the three Reynolds children. Her other brother, John, 49, the middle child, is an entrepreneur in Arkansas, where their mother still lives. Twitty earned a master's degree in speech pathology at Arkansas State University and married her college sweetheart, Dave Holloway, the father of Natalee and her younger brother, Matt, who lives with his mother and stepfather.

Beth and Dave settled in Jackson, Miss., but eventually divorced. They continued to live in the same neighborhood until Beth remarried and moved to Mountain Brook in 2000. Holloway, with his wife, Robin, and their two kids, moved to Meridian, Miss., where he runs a State Farm Insurance agency.

Holloway says Beth never sought the media attention. Rather, it came to her and latched on. "My opinion is, there was just no other news to come across that day. And some TV executive decided, let's go on vacation in Aruba," Holloway says.

The media has remained focused on his ex-wife, Holloway says, because she's the one who was able to stay in Aruba all summer and keep the story going. "Beth's a schoolteacher, so she was off all summer, but I had to come back and go to work," Holloway says.

"When reporters call, I try to accommodate them. But I'm not near a major news center, so they have to send a truck to get me on camera. So there's that extra cost involved."

People who know Twitty say the soft-spoken, down-to-earth mom seen on TV is exactly who Twitty is. "She adores children," says Carol Standifer, who, in her former job as special education director for Mountain Brook schools, hired Twitty for her current job. "I was with her in Aruba, and I can honestly say that Beth was at her most relaxed when she was handing out Natalee bracelets to schoolchildren."

While away, Twitty says, she worried about Matt, who just turned 17. "Now that I'm home, I see that Matt's fine and I don't worry anymore. Every mother in Mountain Brook was looking after him."

Matt pulls up to their house in his new Toyota Tundra and comes in to hug his mother. When he smiles, his braces show. Matt's approach to Natalee's disappearance is different from his parents'. "I try not to think about it," he says, then heads off to his room.

Natalee's bedroom is off limits to reporters. "I don't think she'd like people looking at her things," Twitty says. Natalee's favorite movie is "The Wizard of Oz," and she has a collection of Oz-related items. A favorite line from the movie now has special meaning for the family: As young Dorothy acknowledged, "There's no place like home."

Mother and daughter were very close, the result, Twitty says, of her long tenure as a single mom. The two loved to shop.

Twitty says she plans to start a foundation one day in Natalee's honor, using money left over from donations for the search. Those donations, in an Amsouth Bank account, have helped fund the family's stay in Aruba and paid for lawyers and investigators they've hired. Twitty says she has no idea how much money has been collected, though a fund-raising auction of Hollywood-related items, donated by Mountain Brook native Courteney Cox, raised more than $110,000. A $1 million reward for the safe return of Natalee was funded by private sources.

"I couldn't live with myself if something good doesn't come out of this," Twitty says. She is firm in her belief that she's done all she can to find Natalee. "No second guesses whatsoever," she says. Twitty is less sure about things she might have done before Natalee's disappearance.

"I think anybody, under these circumstances, would wonder whether you could have said or done something more. But none of that matters now."

Twitty maintains a quiet dignity, even as she finds it hard to sit still. "I feel like I need to be doing something all the time," she says. "I don't feel like I can slow down."

She credits God for her strength and talks about her faith with her supporters, including old friend Bruce Roberts in Arkansas. He recently organized a prayer service in Pine Bluff to honor Natalee and was surprised when Twitty took time to attend.

"I said to her, Beth, you're a hero," Roberts recalls. "She said, `No, I'm just a mom.'"

E-mail: kkemp@bhamnews.com


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Post by: texasmom on November 13, 2010, 12:48:16 PM
Aitana Cardoso celebrated her 17th birthday this week!

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Now what's the legal drinking age in Aruba again?   ::MonkeyRoll::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8277.msg1196895#msg1196895

http://www.24ora.com/gallery.html?func=viewcategory&catid=104

Confessions & SouthBeach Lounge 31july'10

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 13, 2010, 01:05:00 PM

Joran van der Sloot

'I wanted to get back at Natalee's family - her parents have been making my life tough for five years.'


http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Van-der-Sloot-true-story-book/zMY1TGGVkU2Kc8LMCiU6pA.cspx

 
Beth Holloway

'If he thinks I've been pestering him for the past five years, he hasn't seen anything yet.'

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/


I love that, Janet, and I sure wish I had a neighbor who played Scrabble.

 ::monkeywine2::



 ::HelloKitty::

You might but that neighbour has yet to reveal herself.  There are many who are in the closet regarding their love of Scrabble.  Do you blame them?  My own family members rolls their eyes when I suggest a game.  The last time I asked my 12 year old grandson to have a game with me ... his response was "How much?"

Janet





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 13, 2010, 01:24:43 PM

In her quest for answers regarding the happenings encompassing the disappearance of her daughter ... not only has Beth Holloway had a face to face to Joran in a Peruvian lockup and a face to face with Deepak at his workplace  ... she also had a face to face with Paulus.

Janet

+++++

Another Face to Face

Loving Natalee – Beth Holloway

Page 147-151
:  The mission of meeting people and handing out the Ecclesiastes prayer cards and the beautiful colourful bracelets gives me a reason to get up and keep going.  FOX anchor Greta Van Susteren wants to come along, as many of the network reps have done over the past few weeks.  We’re going to the other end of the island today, near the van der Sloot neighbourhood, to ask for information.  And help.

As I reach to put a prayer card into the van der Sloot mailbox, I see someone on the side of the house and call out, “Anybody home?  Hello! You’ve go company! Knock, knock!  Anybody home?”

A man is behind the shrubs against the house.  “I see you there in the bushes.”  He freezes.  “I’m Natalee’s mom.  I just want to give you a prayer card.”

Paulus van der Sloot has to be coaxed out of the bushes like a dog in trouble.  He appears from behind the shrubs and comes to the gate.  I hand him one of Natalee’s prayer cards over the fence.

Surprisingly, he says, “Come in, please.  Stop the cameras, okay?  Stop the cameras.”

Greta and I lock eyes for a moment, and with no hint of hesitation on her part we go inside.  Through the front door we make our way across the tile floor, passing through a nicely decorated living room, under an archway, to an enclosed back-porch area.  We step down to a table and chairs.  Paulus’s wife, Joran’s mother Anita, is here.  There’s no glass in the multiple window openings in this room, just wooden slats.  And the air moves comfortably through the area.  The wind blows hard all the time in Aruba, and it’s breezy in here, well ventilated.  Paulus sits closest to the air flow.  I sit across from him, in close proximity.  Anita is on my left.  Greta is next to Paulus, her body turned toward him.

Anita tells us all about Joran and what a good boy he is.  How smart he is.  I let her go on and on, as this gives me time to listen, look, assess.  And as she continues, she begins to share with us what a difficult time they have had with him recently.  How he exhibits oppositional defiance and is disrespectful to his mother.  How they are beginning to lose control of him as he sneaks out at night and comes and goes as he pleases.  After about thirty minutes she concludes by telling us Joran is seeing a psychologist for his defiant behaviour.

Now it’s my turn.  I have no intention of matching her good-boy remarks with good-girl comments.  And cut to the chase.  Graphically repeating the very words said by their son a couple of weeks ago in his statements made on June 9, 10, and 13.  The vile account that was read to me in the attorney general’s office.  The equally explicit words used by Joran to describe what he did to Natalee.  Calmer than I have ever been in my whole life and without blinking, I tell them which fingers he said he used.  Where he said he put them.  How their son described my daughter’s pubic area, her underwear.  How Joran said she was falling asleep and waking up, falling asleep and waking up.  I tell them of his conflicting stories of what happened, the different places he said it happened.  Little beads of sweat form across Paulus’s brow and forehead.

My arms rest on top of the investigation notebook I carry with me all the time.  Natalee’s reward poster with her picture on it is inside the front clear cover, in plain view.  Paulus’s arms are on the table.  Our knuckles are only inches apart arms are shaking.  His fists are clenched.

“You’re responsible for Aruba being trapped in hell,” I tell him, still calm.  “You can change that.  But Aruba will stay in a perpetual state of hell until you come forward.”

I gently push the notebook toward him so he can see Natalee.  Anita remains silent.  The breeze is blowing ever cooler through the room now, yet the sweat on Paulus is increasing.

“How did Joran get home that night, Paulus?”  He responds that he doesn’t know.  “Did he go to school the next day?”  He responds again that he doesn’t know.

Greta and I have many questions.  “you mean this is the most critical time in your son’s life – he is being held on suspicion of kidnap and murder – and you don’t know how he got home or if he went to school?”

Paulus stammers when he answers.  He hesitates.  He sounds unnatural and blinks rapidly.  His head is down.  The beads of sweat turn to bubbles that grow together and gather under his chin, then drop – splash – onto the table below.

Pulling a couple of prayer bracelets out of my pocket, I offer them to the van der Sloots.  First I tie one on Anita’s arm, then ask  Paulus if he would like one.  He lifts his clench-fisted arm, shaking as if he has Parkinson’s disease, and tries very hard to hold it up.  What a pathetic form of a man he is, I think – a very different person from the one who stood so brazenly in his front yard in the wee hours that first morning, facing down Aruban police and our men from home.  I take my time tying the bracelet, very, very slowly, and explain the meaning of the three cords of yarn.

“Paulus, this bracelet stands for a Bible verse.  It’s Ecclesiastes 4:12.  “Though one may be overpowered, two can defend themselves.  A cord of three stands is not quickly broken.””  I finish the tying and gently pat the knot.  “There you go.”

And right then the bracelet looks different to me.  I see the three cords as the suspects, and the knot as the end holding them together as Paulus.  It’s not just clear – it’s crystal clear.   There are potentially four people who know what happened to Natalee.  We need the knot to come loose and the three to unravel.

Anita gets a kitchen towel and first blots Paulus’s head.  Then she lays it on the pools of sweat that have formed on the table in front of him and, in one big swipe, folds the towel over and cleans it away.

No one could have predicted that this encounter would take place.  And if Greta Van Susteren had not been there, I would not have gone inside.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 13, 2010, 04:41:19 PM
Ex director de cárcel es investigado por filmar en secreto a Van der Sloot Former prison chief is under investigation for secretly filming Van der Sloot
10 de Noviembre de 2010



Lima, 10 nov (EFE).- Alex Samamé Peña, ex director del penal "Miguel Castro Castro" de Lima, está siendo investigado supuestamente por haber colocado cámaras ocultas y entregado a la televisión unas declaraciones del holandés Joran Van der Sloot, acusado del asesinato de una joven peruana
Un portavoz del Instituto Nacional Penitenciario (INPE) confirmó hoy a Efe que Samamé está siendo sometido a una "investigación interna", de carácter reservado, aunque descartó que esa haya sido la causa de su destitución del cargo el pasado 5 de octubre.

El diario limeño La República señaló hoy que el funcionario permanece en un puesto administrativo en el INPE a la espera del resultado de las investigaciones. T
El rotativo aseguró que Samamé ha sido acusado de haber grabado de manera clandestina unas imágenes de Van der Sloot que han sido difundidas por canales televisivos de Holanda y EE.UU

"Al estilo del inefable Vladimiro Montesinos el funcionario colocó varias cámaras ocultas en su oficina para filmar al singular recluso junto a la madre de una de sus víctimas", aseguró. "

Se refirió, de esa manera, a la visita que le hizo al holandés, en septiembre pasado, la madre de la joven estadounidense Natalee Holloway, desaparecida en Aruba en 2005 tras haber pasado unas horas con Van der Sloot.
El joven, de 23 años, permanece en el penal "Miguel Castro Castro" a la espera del inicio del proceso por el asesinato de la peruana Stephany Flores, quien fue encontrada muerta el pasado junio en la misma habitación del hotel en Lima donde se alojaba el holandés.

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. Lima, 10 nov (EFE) .- Samamé Alex Peña, former director of the prison "Miguel Castro Castro" de Lima, is being investigated for allegedly placed hidden cameras and transferred to the statements made by the Dutch television Joran Van der Sloot, who was accused of murder of a young Peruvian.
A spokesman for the National Penitentiary Institute (INPE) confirmed that Samamé Efe is undergoing an "internal investigation" confidential, but ruled that this was the cause of his removal from office last October 5.

. The newspaper said Samamé has been accused of clandestinely recorded images of Van der Sloot have been broadcast by television stations in the Netherlands and the U.S.

The ineffable style Vladimiro Montesinos officer placed several hidden cameras in his office to film the unique inmate with the mother of one of his victims," he said.

The Lima newspaper La República official said today that he remains in an administrative position at INPE pending the outcome of investigations.

He referred in this way, the visit he made to the Dutch, in September, the mother of American teenager Natalee Holloway, who disappeared in Aruba in 2005 after spending some time with Van der Sloot.

Van der Sloot, 23, remains in prison "Miguel Castro Castro" awaiting the start of the trial for the murder of the Peruvian Stephany Flores, who was found dead last June at the same hotel room where he was staying in Lima Dutch.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 13, 2010, 07:51:02 PM
Face to Face with Deepak

Mother confronts Aruba suspect
Holloway's mother questions Kalpoe about disappearance of missing teen
August 9, 2005

 
JOE SCARBOROUGH, ‘SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY’ HOST:  Does he understand that you’re not going away, that you’re going to keep going back on TV time and time again until you get justice for your daughter? 

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: The one question that he did ask me, and this was probably 10 minutes before I was leaving.  He told me that the media has not seen this side of you.  I told him, I’d been saving it for you, Deepak. 

SCARBOROUGH: What side is that? 

HOLLOWAY: I think it’s just the side that, I will stop at nothing to get answers.  There is nothing that I won’t do.  There’s nowhere that I won’t go.  I’m going to ask every question.  I don’t care how painful it is.  I will do it, because I’m not going to have any regrets. ....

SARBOROUGH:  After being in the presence of Deepak for an hour earlier today, are you convinced that he is involved in the disappearance of Natalee? 

HOLLOWAY: Oh, absolutely.  Anybody that was in there and saw him would agree 100 percent.  There wouldn’t be one person that didn’t believe that he had involvement if they would have been in there and witnessed and been in his presence.  There’s no one that wouldn’t believe that he has involvement.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/8885950/


Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway
 
Page 174:
  "Don't you want the money, Deepak?  Tell us what happened to Natalee."  He says only two thrings.  "I don't need the money."  Then, "The media have never seen this side of you."  To which I repliy, "I was saving it for you, Deepak."
 
I stood up for Natalee again today.  In the face of one of her Perpetrators.  And it felt good.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 13, 2010, 08:56:19 PM
http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Holloway-van-der-Sloot-hidden-cameras-authorized/0knukd28F0yRUJQVOQlJOg.cspx

Holloway/van der Sloot hidden cameras "authorized"?

Last Update: 1:45 pm 
 

Birmingham, Al  (WIAT)  The ousted warden of Joran van der Sloot's prison says higher ups authorized both hidden cameras and Beth Holloway's confrontation with van der Sloot.

The Peruvian newspaper EL COMERCIO says the installation of cameras in the office of the Director of the Castro Castro prison to record Joran van der Sloot, a suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and confessed murderer of Stephany Flores was authorized by the National Penitentiary Institute (INPE).

Suspended warden Alex Samame says orders came from Ruben Rodriguez Rabanal, former head of the INPE. Samame says the order came after a request from a Dutch television crew led by reporter Peter R. DeVries.

Samame's story matches what DeVries has published on his website.  "We had permission to enter the prison... we had permission to visit Van der Sloot, even to carry our equipment within the prison, "said De Vries. He says there were no bribes, payments or promises involved in getting access.

Van der Sloot's Peruvian attorney Max Altez has accused DeVries of bribing prison officials for access and claims van der Sloot was threatened with solitary confinement if he didn't agree to meet Beth Holloway.

EL COMMERCIO reports the INPE has issued a statement promising an "exhaustive investigation" into the circumstances of the prison interview.

DeVries has followed the Natalee Holloway disappearance case for years. The Mountain Brook teen disappeared on a graduation trip to Aruba in 2005 after having been last seen with Joran van der Sloot. Van der Sloot was questioned repeatedly but never charged by Aruban police.

For years DeVries aired a series of interviews with van der Sloot where van der Sloot gave a variety of explanations of Natalee's fate, only to disavow each of them.

Natalee's mother Beth accompanied DeVries on the trip into Castro Castro for the taped confrontation which was later turned into a two part series for Dutch network SBS6 and sold to the CBS syndicated programs ENTERTAINMENT TONIGHT and THE INSIDER. The confrontation video aired on those programs on CBS42 and was excerpted here on CBS42.com.
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Kermit on November 13, 2010, 09:53:41 PM

 
 
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"The time has come," the Walrus said,

To talk of many things:
Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
Of cabbages—and kings—
And why the sea is boiling hot—
And whether pigs have wings."

And where are Natalee's remains


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 14, 2010, 01:26:59 AM
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 ::MonkeyConfused::

http://natalee-holloway-news.newslib.com/

Sunday June 13, 2010:
Natalee Holloway and Joran van der Sloot: other coverage
Mother of Natalee Holloway to students at Troy event: Take responsibility for your own safety
Van der Sloot claims he has information about Natalee Holloway
Joran Van der Sloot: Send me to Aruba and I'll give you the location of Natalee Holloway




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: billb's daughter on November 14, 2010, 01:29:01 AM
It just dumbfounds me that at the end of the day......aruba..coverup crew....urine..anita..k2...doesn't get it!
Beth isn't going anywhere until she has answers and Natalee comes home....
Monkeys aren't going anywhere either!
I stand with the girl..... ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on November 14, 2010, 07:50:07 AM
It just dumbfounds me that at the end of the day......aruba..coverup crew....urine..anita..k2...doesn't get it!
Beth isn't going anywhere until she has answers and Natalee comes home....
Monkeys aren't going anywhere either!
I stand with the girl..... ::MonkeyAngel::

ITA, billb.   ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 14, 2010, 11:19:53 AM
http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Behind-the-scenes-of-the-Holloway-documentary/FMiP_mGpa0yaO31FqeInFw.cspx

Behind the scenes of the Holloway documentary

Last Update: 9:54 am


(http://www.cbs42.com/media/lib/124/6/d/1/6d1ff063-caaa-4cd8-b4df-f15554237a21/Story.jpg)
Beth Holloway and Peter R. de Vries at Five Points South (peterrdevries.nl)

Birmingham, Al (WIAT) Beth Holloway's prison confrontation with Joran van der Sloot has attracted attention and controversy on three continents.

The video of the confrontation and other shoots in Peru, Aruba and here in Alabama has been seen worldwide: a two part documentary on Dutch television, on the CBS syndication programs ENTERTAINMENT TONIGHT and THE INSIDER seen here on CBS42 as well as excepts on line.

Dutch crime reporter Peter R. de Vries has posted two photo galleries on his website showing Beth Holloway in Peru, Aruba, Birmingham and at Smith Lake during the making of the television series.

Behind the scenes in Peru and in Aruba
http://www.peterrdevries.nl/peter-r.-de-vries/achter-de-schermen/achter-de-schermen-in-peru-en-op-aruba/

Behind the scenes in Alabama
http://www.peterrdevries.nl/peter-r.-de-vries/achter-de-schermen/achter-de-schermen-in-alabama/

There's been outrage, sympathy, threats of legal action, accusations of corruption, suspension of the prison warden and investigations of the Peruvian prison system. In short, yet another typical chapter in the five year old quest for information about the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

The Mountain Brook teen was on a graduation trip to Aruba. She was last seen in the company of Joran van der Sloot. He's still considered the prime suspect in the case but was never charged by Aruban authorities.

Van der Sloot is in prison in Peru facing murder charges in another case. The body of 21 year old student Stephany Flores was found in his Lima hotel room five years to the day of Natalee's disappearance. Van der Sloot confessed to killing Flores after she found material about Natalee on his laptop. He's appealing that confession on procedural grounds.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 14, 2010, 12:28:25 PM
urine is in prison...
king treatment in prison? so what..
urine is in prison.....
urine will die there...
Justice for Natalee and Stephany will be realized.... ::MonkeyAngel::
the little bastard urine is toast.....
Whatever happens with urine...our focus should be on exposing aruba and the coverup crew and the persistence crew and  our own govt if it leads there .....
by the way...the response I received from FOIA...

Dear ....

This is in response to your Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request electronically submitted to the Federal Communications Commission on November 12, 2010, seeking "any records related to Senator Spencer Backus and Aruba delegation meetings with regard to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway on Aruba in May 2005."
 
The Federal Communications Commission is a regulatory agency which is responsible for regulating interstate and foreign communications.  Thus, the records that you seek are not within the Commission's jurisdiction.


Please note also that there is no central office in the government that processes FOIA requests for all federal agencies.  Each agency responds to requests for its own records.  The records that you seek may be in the possession of the Federal Bureau of Investigations. 

For your convenience, I have provided below the principal FOIA contact for the office which may possess the records that you seek. Please
direct your inquiry accordingly.   

            Federal Bureau of Investigations
            David M. Hardy, Chief
            Records Management Division
            935 Pennsylvania Ave., N.W.
            Washington, D.C.  20535-0001
            Telephone: 202-324-3625   

Sincerely,



Benish Shah
Office of Managing Director
Federal Communications Commission



Thank you for your efforts billb.

I could never understand why Spencer Bachus would agree to the meeting with the Aruban delegation when it was realized that John Q. Kelly would be excluded.  The family's attorney had an indepth knowledge of the dynamics encompassing the case.  The family's attorney would have been in a position to ask the hard questions.

Bachus embraced every word of the Arubans and emerged from that meeting a believer.

Janet

+++++


CBS News - December 16, 2005

(AP) Rep. Spencer Bachus said he came away from a Friday meeting with Aruban officials with the sense that they plan to vigorously pursue leads in the disappearance of American student Natalee Holloway.

Bachus, R-Ala., whose district includes Mountain Brook, where Holloway is from, divulged little about the substance of the meeting, saying only it was a "frank and open discussion" and that Aruban authorities have devoted "tremendous resources" to the case.

"Their intention going forward ... is not to shut this case down, but to continue to pursue it vigorously," Bachus told reporters. "They do not consider it a closed case nor do they consider that they have a dead end. They continue to develop information and pursue leads."

Bachus and Alabama officials would not comment on exactly what Richardson, Aruban police analyst Renato Emerencia and Aruban attorney Arlene Ellis Schipper told them about.

<snipped>

Holloway's family initially praised Aruban authorities for their work on the case, but they recently turned critical, alleging incompetence and conflicts of interest. The governors of Alabama, Arkansas and Georgia have called for a boycott of travel to Aruba to protest the way the case has been handled.

John Quinlan Kelly, a New York-based attorney for the Holloway family, said Natalee Holloway's parents wanted him to attend the meeting, but the lawmaker's office told Holloway's family the Arubans objected to that.

"They've (Aruban authorities) indicated they're still investigating," Kelly said by telephone Friday. "We'll wait to see if there are any answers or prosecution resulting from that investigation."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/12/16/politics/main1134653.shtml


On the Record w/ Greta - December 16, 2005

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Your gut reaction from the meeting?  Do you feel confident this is the right team to be leading the investigation or would you like to see some changes?

SPENCER BACHUS: It’s a small island and they are handicapped by their experience.  But I was impressed with what they had done…at least the work product.  I have seen cases…I’ve been to hired to prosecute murder cases where there is almost no file. I will say that the resources that have been devoted to this case are really probably more substantial than most murder cases here in the United States.

<snipped>

BACHUS: I don’t have any criticism of them...

Transcript: sunmoonstars
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 14, 2010, 01:03:12 PM
I don't think any of know what Spencer Bachus was thinking when he "emerged" from that meeting.

We don't know what was discussed in the meeting so we certainly don't know what he became a
"beleiver" in.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Anna on November 14, 2010, 01:04:00 PM
National security always trumps everything else and as long as we have that FOB base, our closest to Chavez, I don't think anything is going to be done on a national level to upset that apple cart.

JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 14, 2010, 01:11:39 PM
National security always trumps everything else and as long as we have that FOB base, our closest to Chavez, I don't think anything is going to be done on a national level to upset that apple cart.

JMO

I think you are probably right, Anna.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 14, 2010, 01:44:56 PM
It's good to see you San!   ::HelloKitty:: ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 14, 2010, 03:51:42 PM
I don't think any of know what Spencer Bachus was thinking when he "emerged" from that meeting.

We don't know what was discussed in the meeting so we certainly don't know what he became a
"beleiver" in.

Spencer Bachus' own words upholding the Natalee Holloway investigation after "emerging" from the meeting with the Aruban Delegation leaves no doubt to what he "believes".  Those words were quoted and sourced in my last post.

Magnolia ... in the past you articulated your speculations regarding Spencer Bachus and the Aruban delegation meeting ... speculations that also entered my thought process.  However ... Anna's explanation does make sense.

Janet

+++++


Magnolia
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
« Reply #901 on: August 25, 2009, 04:13:09 PM »


<snipped>

Spencer Bachus on the other hand could be bought for a shilling.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5807.msg920538;topicseen#msg920538


Magnolia
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #800 2/11/09 -
« Reply #209 on: February 13, 2009, 12:56:07 AM »


That meeting with Bachus was a real shocker.  I would love to have been a fly on the wall at that meeting.  He has never mentioned the Natalee Holloway case again to my knowledge.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4515.msg671470;topicseen#msg671470


Magnolia
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #708 12/28
« Reply #411 on: December 29, 2007, 01:56:36 AM »


And they let the lovely? Arleen deliver the payoffs.  I have always felt that Bachus took a bribe.  He looked so guilty when he came out of that meeting.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2481.msg322551;topicseen#msg322551


Magnolia
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #704 12/11 -
« Reply #385 on: December 13, 2007, 04:02:43 AM »


That all makes Bachus sound a lot like Mos.  Such a quick change of tune.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2439.msg317130;topicseen#msg317130



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 14, 2010, 04:11:04 PM
I'm so bummed out by some of the cases right now that I'm looking to lighten things up a little. You guys are the always the comfort on SM for me, so I thought I'd make an early Christmas delivery, if any of you are ready! I'm not done yet, so I know this isn't all and if you don't see yours, just leave me a post and I'd love to get yours to you right away!  ::MonkeyWink::

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 14, 2010, 04:11:33 PM
I don't think any of know what Spencer Bachus was thinking when he "emerged" from that meeting.

We don't know what was discussed in the meeting so we certainly don't know what he became a
"believer" in.

Spencer Bachus' own words upholding the Natalee Holloway investigation after "emerging" from the meeting with the Aruban Delegation leaves no doubt to what he "believes".  Those words were quoted and sourced in my last post.

Magnolia ... in the past you articulated your speculations regarding Spencer Bachus and the Aruban delegation meeting ... speculations that also entered my thought process.  However ... Anna's explanation does make sense.

Janet

+++++


Magnolia
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
« Reply #901 on: August 25, 2009, 04:13:09 PM »


<snipped>

Spencer Bachus on the other hand could be bought for a shilling.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5807.msg920538;topicseen#msg920538


Magnolia
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #800 2/11/09 -
« Reply #209 on: February 13, 2009, 12:56:07 AM »


That meeting with Bachus was a real shocker.  I would love to have been a fly on the wall at that meeting.  He has never mentioned the Natalee Holloway case again to my knowledge.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4515.msg671470;topicseen#msg671470


Magnolia
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #708 12/28
« Reply #411 on: December 29, 2007, 01:56:36 AM »


And they let the lovely? Arleen deliver the payoffs.  I have always felt that Bachus took a bribe.  He looked so guilty when he came out of that meeting.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2481.msg322551;topicseen#msg322551


Magnolia
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #704 12/11 -
« Reply #385 on: December 13, 2007, 04:02:43 AM »


That all makes Bachus sound a lot like Mos.  Such a quick change of tune.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2439.msg317130;topicseen#msg317130




Good Heavens, Janet,

I never said what Spencer Bachus believed.  I don't know that and neither do you.
I know what I believe about Bachus, but I can't read his mind and I don't think you have gained
that ability either.

Neither do I know what was discussed at the meeting.  I don't think that has ever been disclosed.
If I recall correctly, the DA for both Shelby and Jefferson Counties were present at the meeting.
Neither of those men have discussed the meeting either.

It is one thing to state my opinions about a public figure, but I would never be so presumptuous
as to state what is in his mind and put it out as fact.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 14, 2010, 04:22:32 PM
I'm so bummed out by some of the cases right now that I'm looking to lighten things up a little. You guys are the always the comfort on SM for me, so I thought I'd make an early Christmas delivery, if any of you are ready! I'm not done yet, so I know this isn't all and if you don't see yours, just leave me a post and I'd love to get yours to you right away!  ::MonkeyWink::


(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Christmas/Tamik9.gif)http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Christmas/Tamik9.gif


Thanks CBB.  You are appreciated.

My son and hubby are in the process of putting up our house Christmas lights.  Maybe the lights and your early delivery will give me that "Christmasy feeling".  Christmasy?  Is that a word?

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: San on November 14, 2010, 04:37:52 PM
It's good to see you San!   ::HelloKitty:: ::CowboySmiley::

Hi TM good to be here. Sorry I was watching the football games and screaming at my TV.  ::MonkeyFootball::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 14, 2010, 05:13:18 PM
It's good to see you San!   ::HelloKitty:: ::CowboySmiley::

Hi TM good to be here. Sorry I was watching the football games and screaming at my TV.  ::MonkeyFootball::

It seems like I've done the same with every game I've watched this year.   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: San on November 14, 2010, 05:38:12 PM
It's good to see you San!   ::HelloKitty:: ::CowboySmiley::

Hi TM good to be here. Sorry I was watching the football games and screaming at my TV.  ::MonkeyFootball::

It seems like I've done the same with every game I've watched this year.   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

The only bad thing is that I'm rooting for the teams playing against NY. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 15, 2010, 12:39:10 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)

Justice for Natalee...

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and Stephany!   ::MonkeyJustice::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 15, 2010, 07:30:04 AM
 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked::

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/24270-kaak-cu-diente-haya-banda-di-phoenix-hotel-riba-beach.html

Papiamentu translation:

kaak cu diente attain near by phoenix hotel on beach

monday, 15 november 2010 07:53

recherche y cuerpo tecnico is investigando one caso by partinan human attain near by the beach in area by phoenix hotel. diabierna two tourist procedente by merca is esnan cu owing to beat alarma before thing cu they owing to descubri. one kaak cu diente. autoridad seems owing to confirma cu here is deal by one kaak human. till even is talk by one blanco y young. here thou mind is strike at once on the caso by nathallee holloway. autoridad will owing to remain cuida the area seems where the turistanan owing to attain the kaak. morning saturday testigonan is say by owing to see miembronan by tod present in the area is busca. at aruba not have lugar before haci one test 100% on thing the turistanan owing to descubri. pesey self diadomingo fuentenan high in cuerpo policial owing to confirma cu two acolyte by police cu was in the investigacion entire marduga owing to depart before the netherlands. they owing to go cu thing owing to wordo attain before so one investigacion very deep can take lugar on the kaak cu diente cu owing to being descubri. kizas cu the hayasgo here the news by nathallee holloway is go back arise cabez afresh.


(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2010.november.nov14.kaak.KAAK.jpg)

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2010.november.nov14.kaak.IMG_2063.JPG)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: jen3560 on November 15, 2010, 07:33:26 AM
Thank you CBB!  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: jen3560 on November 15, 2010, 07:33:58 AM
Txmom - that is disturbing........ ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 15, 2010, 07:47:43 AM
Txmom - that is disturbing........ ::MonkeyShocked::

I agree!  ::MonkeyShocked::   ::MonkeyNoNo::

It looks like bottom teeth to me?

I guess the recent storms have stirred some things up.  IIRC, it was after storms on Bonaire two years ago that the burial site of Marlies van der Kouwe was discovered.  That was the first thing I thought of when I saw this.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 15, 2010, 07:55:36 AM
I just remembered that 24ora has been down a lot lately, so I'm posting a snapshot of the article just in case.  The pictures I posted earlier were linked from the site, and if it's down they won't show up.  I have the larger pics in photobucket too if needed.

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/24270-kaak-cu-diente-haya-banda-di-phoenix-hotel-riba-beach.html

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2025%20112010/11152010_HumanTeethFoundAruba_1.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

kaak cu diente attain near by phoenix hotel on beach

monday, 15 november 2010 07:53

recherche y cuerpo tecnico is investigando one caso by partinan human attain near by the beach in area by phoenix hotel. diabierna two tourist procedente by merca is esnan cu owing to beat alarma before thing cu they owing to descubri. one kaak cu diente. autoridad seems owing to confirma cu here is deal by one kaak human. till even is talk by one blanco y young. here thou mind is strike at once on the caso by nathallee holloway. autoridad will owing to remain cuida the area seems where the turistanan owing to attain the kaak. morning saturday testigonan is say by owing to see miembronan by tod present in the area is busca. at aruba not have lugar before haci one test 100% on thing the turistanan owing to descubri. pesey self diadomingo fuentenan high in cuerpo policial owing to confirma cu two acolyte by police cu was in the investigacion entire marduga owing to depart before the netherlands. they owing to go cu thing owing to wordo attain before so one investigacion very deep can take lugar on the kaak cu diente cu owing to being descubri. kizas cu the hayasgo here the news by nathallee holloway is go back arise cabez afresh.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on November 15, 2010, 10:10:28 AM
Good morning SurfCity, monkeys and our ten guests (who also may be monkeys) (http://bestsmileys.com/coffee/3.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: jen3560 on November 15, 2010, 10:25:35 AM
Bragging rights of former Silvetti employee?  First time we've seen financials?

LOOK AT THE SALES GROWTH OF (MARINE SURVEYS/SILVETTI GROUP
RIGHT WHEN THE ARUBA TRIP WAS ENDING.....
according to this guy ???
IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS CORRECTLY ???
MUST JUST BE COINCIDENCE .............????   NOT!!
 
 
Frank Donovan’s Summary
*Proven track record of successful business-to-business development / account management - approximately 15 years. Directly contributing to the financial growth of my employers: Acadiana Divers from 1.5 million to 8 million over 8 years, Aquatica from 8 million to 15 million in 6 years, Marine Surveys from 4 million to 7 million in 1 year. .

snip

Director of Marketing
The Silvetti Group
(Oil & Energy industry)

April 2008 — June 2009 (1 year 3 months)

Appointed as Director of Marketing  to re-establish the functionality of the Sales Department. Recruited Sales Personnel as required.

Partitioned sales and marketing territories of the sales force based on personal relationships with clients.

Established and implemented Soffront CRM for the sales team.

Researched and established "Crossover" sales thrust, moved into Gas Transmission Sales.

Facilitated sales team to nearly double revenue for 2008 over 2007, (Gross Revenue from approximately 4 million to approximately 7 million).

http://www.linkedin.com/in/frankcdonovan
 
 
----------------------------------------------------------
 
Soffront® Software Inc., www.soffront.com, the leader of mid-market CRM software, announced that two companies within The JD Silvetti Group (www.silvettigroup.com) are using Soffront CRM to automate and more efficiently track sales and marketing activities. Marine Surveys, LLC and APS, LLC (headquartered in Lafayette, Louisiana) are subsidiaries of The Silvetti Group and specialize in different segments of the marine survey industry.
The Silvetti Group purchased Soffront CRM in August 2008 to provide its companies with a powerful and customizable database. The software is currently being used by the sales and marketing departments of Marine Surveys and APS. Both...
http://www.verticalnews.com/premium_newsletters/Information-Technology-Business-/2009-03-03/1197ITB.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: jen3560 on November 15, 2010, 10:28:08 AM
Any Monkey who can, please double check links and GET SCREEN SHOTS.  With lots of hits, Donovan's site may go bye-bye SOON.

Thankies!!!!!!!! ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: jen3560 on November 15, 2010, 10:29:13 AM
Txmom - that is disturbing........ ::MonkeyShocked::

I agree!  ::MonkeyShocked::   ::MonkeyNoNo::

It looks like bottom teeth to me?

I guess the recent storms have stirred some things up.  IIRC, it was after storms on Bonaire two years ago that the burial site of Marlies van der Kouwe was discovered.  That was the first thing I thought of when I saw this.

Thanks for bringing it!  I don't have a ton of time.......what part of the island is this?  North, South, East, West?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: jen3560 on November 15, 2010, 10:36:07 AM
Sorry, one last thought......

We've seen Donovan's name before, methinks.  Tied to a major exploration/drilling company?  That could be wrong though.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 15, 2010, 11:20:36 AM
Txmom - that is disturbing........ ::MonkeyShocked::

I agree!  ::MonkeyShocked::   ::MonkeyNoNo::

It looks like bottom teeth to me?

I guess the recent storms have stirred some things up.  IIRC, it was after storms on Bonaire two years ago that the burial site of Marlies van der Kouwe was discovered.  That was the first thing I thought of when I saw this.

Thanks for bringing it!  I don't have a ton of time.......what part of the island is this?  North, South, East, West?


Divi Aruba Phoeniz with a little map>http://www.diviarubaphoenix.com/DiviAruba/aruba-palm-beach.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: jen3560 on November 15, 2010, 11:25:35 AM
Thanks Mags!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 15, 2010, 11:28:44 AM
Bragging rights of former Silvetti employee?  First time we've seen financials?

LOOK AT THE SALES GROWTH OF (MARINE SURVEYS/SILVETTI GROUP
RIGHT WHEN THE ARUBA TRIP WAS ENDING.....
according to this guy ???
IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS CORRECTLY ???
MUST JUST BE COINCIDENCE .............????   NOT!!
 
 
Frank Donovan’s Summary
*Proven track record of successful business-to-business development / account management - approximately 15 years. Directly contributing to the financial growth of my employers: Acadiana Divers from 1.5 million to 8 million over 8 years, Aquatica from 8 million to 15 million in 6 years, Marine Surveys from 4 million to 7 million in 1 year. .

snip

Director of Marketing
The Silvetti Group
(Oil & Energy industry)

April 2008 — June 2009 (1 year 3 months)

Appointed as Director of Marketing  to re-establish the functionality of the Sales Department. Recruited Sales Personnel as required.

Partitioned sales and marketing territories of the sales force based on personal relationships with clients.

Established and implemented Soffront CRM for the sales team.

Researched and established "Crossover" sales thrust, moved into Gas Transmission Sales.

Facilitated sales team to nearly double revenue for 2008 over 2007, (Gross Revenue from approximately 4 million to approximately 7 million).

http://www.linkedin.com/in/frankcdonovan
 
 
----------------------------------------------------------
 
Soffront® Software Inc., www.soffront.com, the leader of mid-market CRM software, announced that two companies within The JD Silvetti Group (www.silvettigroup.com) are using Soffront CRM to automate and more efficiently track sales and marketing activities. Marine Surveys, LLC and APS, LLC (headquartered in Lafayette, Louisiana) are subsidiaries of The Silvetti Group and specialize in different segments of the marine survey industry.
The Silvetti Group purchased Soffront CRM in August 2008 to provide its companies with a powerful and customizable database. The software is currently being used by the sales and marketing departments of Marine Surveys and APS. Both...
http://www.verticalnews.com/premium_newsletters/Information-Technology-Business-/2009-03-03/1197ITB.html


His Linkedin info was posted here early 2009 by Keepthefaith and myself.  That was before his position with Silvetti ended.  Interesting that shortly after the implementation of Soffront his job went poof with Silvetti...a couple of interim part time jobs before this current one. 

C-Mar has also been posted but I'll have to search a little more to find it.  I only remember him being linked to CalDive and Superior Offshore from the research exchanged here.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4477.msg662506;topicseen#msg662506

I took screen shots, btw.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 15, 2010, 11:49:34 AM
kaak cu diente attain near by phoenix hotel on beach

kaak is "jaw" in English. I know, not much help, but I'm trying to find some other words. They have a screwy island and a screwy language to go with it!  ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 15, 2010, 12:48:32 PM
Bragging rights of former Silvetti employee?  First time we've seen financials?

LOOK AT THE SALES GROWTH OF (MARINE SURVEYS/SILVETTI GROUP
RIGHT WHEN THE ARUBA TRIP WAS ENDING.....
according to this guy ???
IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS CORRECTLY ???
MUST JUST BE COINCIDENCE .............????   NOT!!
 
 
Frank Donovan’s Summary
*Proven track record of successful business-to-business development / account management - approximately 15 years. Directly contributing to the financial growth of my employers: Acadiana Divers from 1.5 million to 8 million over 8 years, Aquatica from 8 million to 15 million in 6 years, Marine Surveys from 4 million to 7 million in 1 year. .

snip

Director of Marketing
The Silvetti Group
(Oil & Energy industry)

April 2008 — June 2009 (1 year 3 months)

Appointed as Director of Marketing  to re-establish the functionality of the Sales Department. Recruited Sales Personnel as required.

Partitioned sales and marketing territories of the sales force based on personal relationships with clients.

Established and implemented Soffront CRM for the sales team.

Researched and established "Crossover" sales thrust, moved into Gas Transmission Sales.

Facilitated sales team to nearly double revenue for 2008 over 2007, (Gross Revenue from approximately 4 million to approximately 7 million).

http://www.linkedin.com/in/frankcdonovan
 
 
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Soffront® Software Inc., www.soffront.com, the leader of mid-market CRM software, announced that two companies within The JD Silvetti Group (www.silvettigroup.com) are using Soffront CRM to automate and more efficiently track sales and marketing activities. Marine Surveys, LLC and APS, LLC (headquartered in Lafayette, Louisiana) are subsidiaries of The Silvetti Group and specialize in different segments of the marine survey industry.
The Silvetti Group purchased Soffront CRM in August 2008 to provide its companies with a powerful and customizable database. The software is currently being used by the sales and marketing departments of Marine Surveys and APS. Both...
http://www.verticalnews.com/premium_newsletters/Information-Technology-Business-/2009-03-03/1197ITB.html


Thanks Jen.

For the most part ... financial statements/records are all Dutch to me but ... I understand the significance of the dates perfectly.

Janet

++++++++

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman
: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kyle Kingman:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

Kermit


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 15, 2010, 02:26:22 PM
I just remembered that 24ora has been down a lot lately, so I'm posting a snapshot of the article just in case.  The pictures I posted earlier were linked from the site, and if it's down they won't show up.  I have the larger pics in photobucket too if needed.

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/24270-kaak-cu-diente-haya-banda-di-phoenix-hotel-riba-beach.html

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2025%20112010/11152010_HumanTeethFoundAruba_1.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

kaak cu diente attain near by phoenix hotel on beach

monday, 15 november 2010 07:53

recherche y cuerpo tecnico is investigando one caso by partinan human attain near by the beach in area by phoenix hotel. diabierna two tourist procedente by merca is esnan cu owing to beat alarma before thing cu they owing to descubri. one kaak cu diente. autoridad seems owing to confirma cu here is deal by one kaak human. till even is talk by one blanco y young. here thou mind is strike at once on the caso by nathallee holloway. autoridad will owing to remain cuida the area seems where the turistanan owing to attain the kaak. morning saturday testigonan is say by owing to see miembronan by tod present in the area is busca. at aruba not have lugar before haci one test 100% on thing the turistanan owing to descubri. pesey self diadomingo fuentenan high in cuerpo policial owing to confirma cu two acolyte by police cu was in the investigacion entire marduga owing to depart before the netherlands. they owing to go cu thing owing to wordo attain before so one investigacion very deep can take lugar on the kaak cu diente cu owing to being descubri. kizas cu the hayasgo here the news by nathallee holloway is go back arise cabez afresh.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_81012.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Presumably human jaw found on beach

November 15, 2010, 24:31 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - A U.S. tourist has been found last Friday a bot that looks like a part of a jaw of a man. The tourist took the bone to the Phoenix hotel after police were called. The tourist told the officers that he was the bone on the beach near the hotel had been found.

Justice confirms in part the message that morning was in Diario. That morning paper had a photograph in print, this picture is not of the lost bone, let spokesperson Angela Ann of the Public Prosecutor (OM) Amigoe. "The prosecutor has the photo in Diario seen, which is not the bone. For that bone contains only one tooth. "Well that confirms the OM agents with bone have flown to the Netherlands for further investigation by the Netherlands Forensic Institute. If the investigation shows that it really is a human bone, the judiciary continued to research, says Angela. Meanwhile, the media has speculated about a connection with the 2005 American teen Natalee Holloway disappeared.

The beach at the Phoenix Hotel by the sea churned up a lot of one week ago. Receding lot of waste. including large pieces of cement and other construction materials.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 15, 2010, 02:34:31 PM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/24270-kaak-cu-diente-haya-banda-di-phoenix-hotel-riba-beach.html

Papiamentu & Google translations:

COMMENTS:

come across..

scirbi before aced, november 15, 2010
i am wait for cu is by natalee... so at least the caso that can jega at one end... +17 come across...

scirbi before m.a, november 15, 2010
con your can look at at the kaak cu if is by person blanco or not!! niun caminda thou looking at that. if is by natalie thanks god the hour the mericano they can allow we at paz atlast!! +2 come across...

scirbi before happy people paradise, november 15, 2010
god allow cu is nathalie, for her cos here can come to anend, god allow. +3 come across...

Scirbi pa GEARS, November 15, 2010
I really do not hope that the jaw of Nathalee is, but I still have some hope in my heart that the girl might still be alive somewhere, although the chance of this happening is rather small. But if it does appear that the jaw of hers is that it will be very pleasent to work for her mother who was always the agony to walk her daughter to find. All this by a guy because of his pathetic cowardice and selfishness does not dare open his mouth to do ....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 15, 2010, 03:21:46 PM
Bragging rights of former Silvetti employee?  First time we've seen financials?

LOOK AT THE SALES GROWTH OF (MARINE SURVEYS/SILVETTI GROUP
RIGHT WHEN THE ARUBA TRIP WAS ENDING.....
according to this guy ???
IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS CORRECTLY ???
MUST JUST BE COINCIDENCE .............????   NOT!!
 
 
Frank Donovan’s Summary
*Proven track record of successful business-to-business development / account management - approximately 15 years. Directly contributing to the financial growth of my employers: Acadiana Divers from 1.5 million to 8 million over 8 years, Aquatica from 8 million to 15 million in 6 years, Marine Surveys from 4 million to 7 million in 1 year. .

snip

Director of Marketing
The Silvetti Group
(Oil & Energy industry)

April 2008 — June 2009 (1 year 3 months)

Appointed as Director of Marketing  to re-establish the functionality of the Sales Department. Recruited Sales Personnel as required.

Partitioned sales and marketing territories of the sales force based on personal relationships with clients.

Established and implemented Soffront CRM for the sales team.

Researched and established "Crossover" sales thrust, moved into Gas Transmission Sales.

Facilitated sales team to nearly double revenue for 2008 over 2007, (Gross Revenue from approximately 4 million to approximately 7 million).

http://www.linkedin.com/in/frankcdonovan
 
 
----------------------------------------------------------
 
Soffront® Software Inc., www.soffront.com, the leader of mid-market CRM software, announced that two companies within The JD Silvetti Group (www.silvettigroup.com) are using Soffront CRM to automate and more efficiently track sales and marketing activities. Marine Surveys, LLC and APS, LLC (headquartered in Lafayette, Louisiana) are subsidiaries of The Silvetti Group and specialize in different segments of the marine survey industry.
The Silvetti Group purchased Soffront CRM in August 2008 to provide its companies with a powerful and customizable database. The software is currently being used by the sales and marketing departments of Marine Surveys and APS. Both...
http://www.verticalnews.com/premium_newsletters/Information-Technology-Business-/2009-03-03/1197ITB.html


His Linkedin info was posted here early 2009 by Keepthefaith and myself.  That was before his position with Silvetti ended.  Interesting that shortly after the implementation of Soffront his job went poof with Silvetti...a couple of interim part time jobs before this current one.  

C-Mar has also been posted but I'll have to search a little more to find it.  I only remember him being linked to CalDive and Superior Offshore from the research exchanged here.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4477.msg662506;topicseen#msg662506

I took screen shots, btw.



Here is the link to the C-Mar discussion here:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4838.msg828484

Being that David Weinhoffer is brought up there, I checked for current info:

David Weinhoffer’s Summary
David Weinhoffer’s Specialties:
Distressed Asset Acquisition and Divestiture, Ship Brokerage, Vessel Operations, Oil & Gas Service Companies, Utility Service Companies, Sub Sea Construction, Commercial Diving Companies, Managing Completion and Risks of Construction Vessels, Large Marine Cranes and Managing/Re-structuring Distressed and Deep Distressed Companies in same Industry's internationally.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

David Weinhoffer’s Experience
Managing Director,Founder
Meridian Asset Strategies
(Financial Services industry)

May 1997 — Present (13 years 7 months)

Provide integrated financial and operational advisory, financial products, multi-disciplined ship brokerage, asset management, turn around and workout services to private and corporate energy, heavy industrial industry, private equity, marine service industries and clean technology industry clients.

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/david-weinhoffer/1b/920/982

Meridian Asset Strategies

http://www.meridian.us.com/managementteam.html

Mark Broussard shows up with Weinhoffer under Management Team. 


***Want note that KTF posted the Linkedin info on Frank Donovan.  I just posted the Soffront news when it was published.  My error earlier.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: jen3560 on November 15, 2010, 04:21:02 PM
Thanks 2NJ - I obviously missed it the first go round.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: jen3560 on November 15, 2010, 04:21:36 PM
Janet - yes, the dates of the monetary increase of Silvetti's company do raise one's eyebrows, no?  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 15, 2010, 04:22:31 PM
When Kyle Kingman's own words are considered ... somehow I do not believe that Tim Miller would be upholding John Silvetti and/or accepting Texas Equusearch  donations/asistance from this man if there had been a possibility that his precious daughter's remains had been afforded unchallenged to those who were preventing justice from prevailing.  The Persistence story from Tim Miller's perspective would have exposed the betrayal.  IMO

Janet

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 15, 2010, 04:37:07 PM
Thanks 2NJ - I obviously missed it the first go round.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

But the updated Linkedin you posted had the financial info on Silvetti!!  I think you were right and he is using it on his resume to take credit for the earnings.  Seems they are still all intertwined, heh?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on November 15, 2010, 04:38:59 PM
Txmom - that is disturbing........ ::MonkeyShocked::

I agree!  ::MonkeyShocked::   ::MonkeyNoNo::

It looks like bottom teeth to me?

I guess the recent storms have stirred some things up.  IIRC, it was after storms on Bonaire two years ago that the burial site of Marlies van der Kouwe was discovered.  That was the first thing I thought of when I saw this.

I noticed one of the articles says something like 'jaw of a man'....how the Hell would Aruba know that? Naturally it would be said to keep attention off Natalee. If it is a man's jaw, then they have plenty of missing men to compare it to.
They don't know crap about dead bodies except how to call the media in to get bloody shots for the papers. Bunch of freaks.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: jen3560 on November 15, 2010, 05:09:42 PM
Thanks 2NJ - I obviously missed it the first go round.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

But the updated Linkedin you posted had the financial info on Silvetti!!  I think you were right and he is using it on his resume to take credit for the earnings.  Seems they are still all intertwined, heh?

Definitely still intertwined.  I find it very signifigant, personally, that Silvetti's revenue doubled after they got back from Aruba.

This from the man who posted at BFN that they needed (I think) one million dollars to be raised (donated) to resume the *search* for Natalee.  Gee, if his money nearly doubled to 7 million that year, and they still had "140 targets" to investigate, and he is purely the humanitarian of the decade (rolling eyes here, with heavy sarcasm) then why oh why didn't he use some of his newly found MILLIONS to go back to those 140 targets??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Buckeye on November 15, 2010, 05:17:48 PM
Txmom - that is disturbing........ ::MonkeyShocked::

I agree!  ::MonkeyShocked::   ::MonkeyNoNo::

It looks like bottom teeth to me?

I guess the recent storms have stirred some things up.  IIRC, it was after storms on Bonaire two years ago that the burial site of Marlies van der Kouwe was discovered.  That was the first thing I thought of when I saw this.

I noticed one of the articles says something like 'jaw of a man'....how the Hell would Aruba know that? Naturally it would be said to keep attention off Natalee. If it is a man's jaw, then they have plenty of missing men to compare it to.
They don't know crap about dead bodies except how to call the media in to get bloody shots for the papers. Bunch of freaks.

How much do you want to bet that it comes back as a donkey jaw?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 15, 2010, 05:22:00 PM
Thanks 2NJ - I obviously missed it the first go round.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

But the updated Linkedin you posted had the financial info on Silvetti!!  I think you were right and he is using it on his resume to take credit for the earnings.  Seems they are still all intertwined, heh?

Definitely still intertwined.  I find it very signifigant, personally, that Silvetti's revenue doubled after they got back from Aruba.

This from the man who posted at BFN that they needed (I think) one million dollars to be raised (donated) to resume the *search* for Natalee.  Gee, if his money nearly doubled to 7 million that year, and they still had "140 targets" to investigate, and he is purely the humanitarian of the decade (rolling eyes here, with heavy sarcasm) then why oh why didn't he use some of his newly found MILLIONS to go back to those 140 targets??


WhiskeyGirl
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
« Reply #58 on: April 05, 2008, 09:19:47 AM »


More from John ~


Quote from: Debbie

John, what can we do to insure that the search is completed?

Also, when the cage was found that was shown on Dateline (pictures also hit the internet) what thoughts, emotions, etc... went through your mind?  Can you elaborate on that for us?  Thanks!


Quote from: jdsurveyor1

The important thing is to raise funds.  It will require corporate support as well as private donations.  Dave and Beth have been doing a great job getting the word out and while I was on the island, Dave put me in contact with the head of the Hotel Association who is working on raising a sizeable amount.  So many on the island are supporting our efforts as well as people from all over the world.

The media really blew the cage out of proportion.  Although the cage initially provided some moments of "what is in there", I warned all on board that none of this information was to leave the boat.  It was very suspect that a cage of this size was found where it was on the seafloor relative to the coast.  My feelings were this was highly unusual and probably had something to do with something, but not what we were after.  It was decided that the cage would be investigated further by divers, however, it was designated as only a target of interest.  The crew moved onto other targets.  Unfortunately, inexperience and frustration led to premature statements, including that we had found her.  I don't think anyone was more upset than I that this information came off the boat and caused the Holloway family more grief!


++++++++


Quote from: LegallyLex

John, a lot of BFN posters have asked me how much money would be needed to complete the search.  Can you provide an estimate on what amount would be needed?]


Quote from: jdsurveyor1

It is very difficult to say, since Louis has not selected a ROV vessel and we do not know how much of a humanitarian discount we can count on by the vessel and ROV owners, but my guess is that we will be looking at around 1 million dollars.


+++++++

Quote from: jdsurveyor1

Thank you Pearl.  Your posting were read many times on the Persistence and you became part of the crew!  Your words and the words of so many inspired us to keep enduring, no matter what mother nature threw at us.  We reflected on this on the way home.  The crew worked constantly in weather conditions that were double the usual shut down weather in the Gulf of Mexico.

The relationship between the people of Aruba and the crew of the Persistence was wonderful.  Initially, there was an air of guarded reservation, on both sides, however, once they understood why we were there, not to make headlines or money, but to help the Holloway family and intrinsically the island of Aruba, they opend their arms and their homes to us.  The crew found the people of Aruba to be the "salt of the earth" hard working and family oriented people.  Many had taken time off work to join the search parties and many held prayer vigils in their churches.  We received support from the Police, the Coast Guard, the Port Authority and vitually anyone we needed help from.  One example, we needed a shallow water vessel to investigate areas we were afraid to bring the Persistence into due to water depths and unknown wrecks......a 28 foot vessel, PREDATOR, was provided to us for 4 days at no charge.  The owner would not allow us to pay for the fuel or any of the expenses.  Their support made our work progress much faster.  I am very happy to say that it would take a long time for me to list the names of everyone on the island that supported our efforts.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.40


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 15, 2010, 06:22:42 PM

 
 
[<<]  [>>]
Domain Name setardsl.aw ? (Aruba) IP Address 201.229.45.# (Setarnet)
ISP Setarnet
Location Continent:South America
Country:Aruba  (Facts)
City:Oranjestad
Lat/Long:12.5167, -70.0333 (Map)


Referring URL http://www.google.co...JfEF3GolTaokD-GwIE5A
Search Engine google.com
Search Words natalee holloway 2010 13
Visit Entry Page http://scaredmonkeys.../index.php?board=1.0
Visit Exit Page http://scaredmonkeys.../index.php?board=1.0
Out Click

mark purcell.

The Walrus? ::MonkeyShocked::
coo coo cha coo. ::MonkeyCool::

You lookin' at me? I'm lookin' at you. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 15, 2010, 06:42:48 PM
Txmom - that is disturbing........ ::MonkeyShocked::

I agree!  ::MonkeyShocked::   ::MonkeyNoNo::

It looks like bottom teeth to me?

I guess the recent storms have stirred some things up.  IIRC, it was after storms on Bonaire two years ago that the burial site of Marlies van der Kouwe was discovered.  That was the first thing I thought of when I saw this.

I noticed one of the articles says something like 'jaw of a man'....how the Hell would Aruba know that? Naturally it would be said to keep attention off Natalee. If it is a man's jaw, then they have plenty of missing men to compare it to.
They don't know crap about dead bodies except how to call the media in to get bloody shots for the papers. Bunch of freaks.

At least the heading of the article was "presumably human jaw"...but I did notice the part you mentioned too.  And ITA on the rest!
 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 15, 2010, 06:43:36 PM

 
 
[<<]  [>>]
Domain Name setardsl.aw ? (Aruba) IP Address 201.229.45.# (Setarnet)
ISP Setarnet
Location Continent:South America
Country:Aruba  (Facts)
City:Oranjestad
Lat/Long:12.5167, -70.0333 (Map)


Referring URL http://www.google.co...JfEF3GolTaokD-GwIE5A
Search Engine google.com
Search Words natalee holloway 2010 13
Visit Entry Page http://scaredmonkeys.../index.php?board=1.0
Visit Exit Page http://scaredmonkeys.../index.php?board=1.0
Out Click

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The Walrus? ::MonkeyShocked::
coo coo cha coo. ::MonkeyCool::

You lookin' at me? I'm lookin' at you. ::MonkeyHaHa::
::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 15, 2010, 06:57:50 PM
Posted on the front page of SM:

Quote
Crioyo
2010/11/15 at 6:04 pm

(not a comment)
Hey Klaasend..

you might be interested in this

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/24270-kaak-cu-diente-haya-banda-di-phoenix-hotel-riba-beach.html

jaw with teeth in tact..washed up at Phoenix hotel…probably thanks to hurrican tomas… it has been flown to holland for analysis…would be interesting to hear Dana interview jossy on this….


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 15, 2010, 07:01:17 PM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/24270-kaak-cu-diente-haya-banda-di-phoenix-hotel-riba-beach.html

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_thumbs/b.175.125.16777215.0...images.stories.news.2010.november.nov14.kaak.KAAK.jpg)

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_thumbs/b.175.125.16777215.0....images.stories.news.2010.november.nov14.kaak.IMG_2063.JPG)

Kaak cu diente haya banda di Phoenix Hotel riba beach

Monday, 15 November 2010 07:53
KAAK
Recherche y cuerpo tecnico ta investigando un caso di partinan humano haya banda di e beach den area di Phoenix Hotel. Diabierna dos turista procedente di Merca ta esnan cu a bati alarma pa loke cu nan a descubri. Un kaak cu diente. Autoridad parce a confirma cu aki ta trata di un kaak humano. Te hasta ta papia di un hende blanco y hoben. Aki bo mente ta dal mesora riba e caso di Nathallee Holloway. Autoridad lo a keda cuida e area parce unda e turistanan a haya e kaak. Mainta diasabra testigonan ta bisa di a mira miembronan di TOD presente den e area ta busca. Na Aruba no tin lugar pa haci un test 100% riba loke e turistanan a descubri. Pesey mes diadomingo fuentenan halto den cuerpo policial a confirma cu dos miembro di polis cu tabata den e investigacion henter marduga a sali pa Hulanda. Nan a bai cu loke a wordo haya pa asina un investigacion masha profundo por tuma lugar riba e kaak cu diente cu a ser descubri. Kizas cu e hayasgo aki e noticia di Nathallee Holloway ta bolbe lanta cabez atrobe.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on November 15, 2010, 07:05:40 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 15, 2010, 07:09:02 PM
I just remembered that 24ora has been down a lot lately, so I'm posting a snapshot of the article just in case.  The pictures I posted earlier were linked from the site, and if it's down they won't show up.  I have the larger pics in photobucket too if needed.

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/24270-kaak-cu-diente-haya-banda-di-phoenix-hotel-riba-beach.html

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2025%20112010/11152010_HumanTeethFoundAruba_1.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

kaak cu diente attain near by phoenix hotel on beach

monday, 15 november 2010 07:53

recherche y cuerpo tecnico is investigando one caso by partinan human attain near by the beach in area by phoenix hotel. diabierna two tourist procedente by merca is esnan cu owing to beat alarma before thing cu they owing to descubri. one kaak cu diente. autoridad seems owing to confirma cu here is deal by one kaak human. till even is talk by one blanco y young. here thou mind is strike at once on the caso by nathallee holloway. autoridad will owing to remain cuida the area seems where the turistanan owing to attain the kaak. morning saturday testigonan is say by owing to see miembronan by tod present in the area is busca. at aruba not have lugar before haci one test 100% on thing the turistanan owing to descubri. pesey self diadomingo fuentenan high in cuerpo policial owing to confirma cu two acolyte by police cu was in the investigacion entire marduga owing to depart before the netherlands. they owing to go cu thing owing to wordo attain before so one investigacion very deep can take lugar on the kaak cu diente cu owing to being descubri. kizas cu the hayasgo here the news by nathallee holloway is go back arise cabez afresh.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_81012.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Presumably human jaw found on beach

November 15, 2010, 24:31 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - A U.S. tourist has been found last Friday a bot that looks like a part of a jaw of a man. The tourist took the bone to the Phoenix hotel after police were called. The tourist told the officers that he was the bone on the beach near the hotel had been found.

Justice confirms in part the message that morning was in Diario. That morning paper had a photograph in print, this picture is not of the lost bone, let spokesperson Angela Ann of the Public Prosecutor (OM) Amigoe. "The prosecutor has the photo in Diario seen, which is not the bone. For that bone contains only one tooth. "Well that confirms the OM agents with bone have flown to the Netherlands for further investigation by the Netherlands Forensic Institute. If the investigation shows that it really is a human bone, the judiciary continued to research, says Angela. Meanwhile, the media has speculated about a connection with the 2005 American teen Natalee Holloway disappeared.

The beach at the Phoenix Hotel by the sea churned up a lot of one week ago. Receding lot of waste. including large pieces of cement and other construction materials.
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/24270-kaak-cu-diente-haya-banda-di-phoenix-hotel-riba-beach.html

Papiamentu & Google translations:

COMMENTS:

come across..

scirbi before aced, november 15, 2010
i am wait for cu is by natalee... so at least the caso that can jega at one end... +17 come across...

scirbi before m.a, november 15, 2010
con your can look at at the kaak cu if is by person blanco or not!! niun caminda thou looking at that. if is by natalie thanks god the hour the mericano they can allow we at paz atlast!! +2 come across...

scirbi before happy people paradise, november 15, 2010
god allow cu is nathalie, for her cos here can come to anend, god allow. +3 come across...

Scirbi pa GEARS, November 15, 2010
I really do not hope that the jaw of Nathalee is, but I still have some hope in my heart that the girl might still be alive somewhere, although the chance of this happening is rather small. But if it does appear that the jaw of hers is that it will be very pleasent to work for her mother who was always the agony to walk her daughter to find. All this by a guy because of his pathetic cowardice and selfishness does not dare open his mouth to do ....

TM......    ::MonkeyShovel:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 15, 2010, 07:51:18 PM
SAN sent this to me.  Thanks San!

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/Examiner112210a0001.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/Examiner112210b0001.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on November 15, 2010, 07:59:27 PM
Thanks for sending the article San, and thanks for posting it, Klaas.


"He knows he's a dead man walking". 
    :smt045 :smt045 :smt045


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 15, 2010, 08:28:15 PM
Hard Choices

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 219
: In each city I have the privilege to speak to several high schools, churches, or law enforcement and civic groups.  This translates to thousands of youths and adults.  Delivering this safety mesage is my triumph over devastation.  If gives me great joy and is tremendously rewarding work.  I think that I can bear the pain of losing Natalee if it means that I can prevent another family from going through our tragic experience.  If even just one young person in tens of thousands is saved, then it's well worth it.

I ask young people to make a conscious decision to stay safe.  They have to make the choice.  And I'm not asking them do anything more than I ask myself.  I have to make difficult choices every day.  I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me.  It's not easy.  I ask God to help me.  And I know it's not easy for young people to think about choosing not to get into a situation in which they can't defend themselves.  But we all have to make hard choices.  Every day._____

 
Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC
 
Mayday 360[/b
]http://www.mayday360.com/default.aspx


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on November 15, 2010, 08:29:28 PM
Txmom - that is disturbing........ ::MonkeyShocked::

I agree!  ::MonkeyShocked::   ::MonkeyNoNo::

It looks like bottom teeth to me?

I guess the recent storms have stirred some things up.  IIRC, it was after storms on Bonaire two years ago that the burial site of Marlies van der Kouwe was discovered.  That was the first thing I thought of when I saw this.

I noticed one of the articles says something like 'jaw of a man'....how the Hell would Aruba know that? Naturally it would be said to keep attention off Natalee. If it is a man's jaw, then they have plenty of missing men to compare it to.
They don't know crap about dead bodies except how to call the media in to get bloody shots for the papers. Bunch of freaks.

How much do you want to bet that it comes back as a donkey jaw?

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: No doubt!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 15, 2010, 08:36:27 PM
SAN sent this to me.  Thanks San!

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/Examiner112210a0001.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/Examiner112210b0001.jpg)

Thanks Klaas.  Thanks San.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 15, 2010, 08:42:53 PM
SAN sent this to me.  Thanks San!

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/Examiner112210a0001.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/Examiner112210b0001.jpg)

Thanks, San & Klaas.....look at his freakin' eyes....omg


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 15, 2010, 09:03:26 PM
Who wants to bet that is the last we will hear about a jawbone washing up in Aruba?

I sent the article to Dana.  Maybe Dana can call Jossy and see if Jossy knows any more about it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 15, 2010, 09:10:36 PM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/24270-kaak-cu-diente-haya-banda-di-phoenix-hotel-riba-beach.html

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_thumbs/b.175.125.16777215.0...images.stories.news.2010.november.nov14.kaak.KAAK.jpg)

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_thumbs/b.175.125.16777215.0....images.stories.news.2010.november.nov14.kaak.IMG_2063.JPG)

Kaak cu diente haya banda di Phoenix Hotel riba beach

Monday, 15 November 2010 07:53
KAAK
Recherche y cuerpo tecnico ta investigando un caso di partinan humano haya banda di e beach den area di Phoenix Hotel. Diabierna dos turista procedente di Merca ta esnan cu a bati alarma pa loke cu nan a descubri. Un kaak cu diente. Autoridad parce a confirma cu aki ta trata di un kaak humano. Te hasta ta papia di un hende blanco y hoben. Aki bo mente ta dal mesora riba e caso di Nathallee Holloway. Autoridad lo a keda cuida e area parce unda e turistanan a haya e kaak. Mainta diasabra testigonan ta bisa di a mira miembronan di TOD presente den e area ta busca. Na Aruba no tin lugar pa haci un test 100% riba loke e turistanan a descubri. Pesey mes diadomingo fuentenan halto den cuerpo policial a confirma cu dos miembro di polis cu tabata den e investigacion henter marduga a sali pa Hulanda. Nan a bai cu loke a wordo haya pa asina un investigacion masha profundo por tuma lugar riba e kaak cu diente cu a ser descubri. Kizas cu e hayasgo aki e noticia di Nathallee Holloway ta bolbe lanta cabez atrobe.

I would say not donkey.  This is a donkey jawbone:

(http://www.wordsforcourageousliving.com/images/samson_15_16.jpg)


FYI - that jawbone pictured in 24ora is NOT the one that washed ashore, it is a human jawbone they found via google.  Here is the origin of that picture:

http://www.travelpod.com/travel-blog-entries/jacobvolkmar/jacobssemester/1140368640/tpod.html



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 15, 2010, 09:12:29 PM
WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH THOSE PEOPLE IN ARUBA?  You post an article about a human jawbone and reference Natalee Holloway and are too lazy to use an actual photo of the jawbone that washed ashore?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 15, 2010, 09:37:14 PM
http://www.diario.aw/2010/11/den-weekend-a-cuminsa-investigacion-grandi-riba-kaak-cu-diente-haya-na-beach-di-phoenix/

Den weekend a cuminsa investigacion grandi riba kaak cu diente haya na Beach di Phoenix

Publication: Dialuna, 15 November 2010. Categoria: General

PolicialPolisnan a sali pa Hulanda cu material pa investigacion
ORANJESTAD(AAN):Un investigacion masha grandi mes a cuminsa diabierna for di momento cu dos turista Mericano a haya un kaak cu diente riba dje riba e beach banda di Phoenix Hotel.
Aki ta trata di un kaak parce di hende blanco y hoben segun un investigacion cortico cu lo a tuma lugar. For di fuentenan policial DIARIO tin bon informacion cu dos miembro di cuerpo policial a sali pa Hulanda caminda eynan lo bai haci investigacion profundo.
Ainda no kier specula pero ya caba hopi ta pensa cu por ta restonan humano di un persona cu tabata perdi.

Hopi ta pensando mesora riba Nathallee Holloway pero esey ainda mester bai wordo proba cu e resultado di labotarium na Hulanda. Diabierna despues cu a descubri e kaak a cuminsa investigacion anochi mes. Parce cu tabata tin vigilancia.

DIARIO mes a mira polisnan lora bai direccion di ex strandpolitie diasabra marduga.
Esey kiermen cu e area tabata ser cuida. Den dia diasabra testigonan a bisa cu nan mira atrobe autoridad ta investiga den e area.

Nan lo tabata mira si tin mas pieza di resto humano cu e turistanan a haya.
DIARIO a bai tira un bista tambe despues den e area y a mira cu berdad e lama tabata basta bruto eybanda y a come basta di e beach.

Di un of otro forma e lo a coba e santo y saca of benta restonan humano riba e beach.
Hopi turista y local ta gusta cana den e area.

No ta conoci si polis a bai busca conseho local cerca expertonan. Polisnan mes a tene e caso aki hermeticamente sera pa evita cu e noticia por plama. Ya caba pa dialuna mainta e dos oficialnan cu a bai Hulanda cu e material ta yega y e kaak lo ser investiga den tur profundidad.

Aunke ta ser papia cu por ta un kaak di un hoben, por bisa cu eybanda tambe tin indiannan dera.
E resultado di e kaak ta importante pa tende kiko esaki lo ta.

Through translator:



in weekend owing to cuminsa investigacion big on kaak cu diente attain at beach by phoenix

 publication: monday, 15 november 2010. categoria: general policialpolisnan

 owing to depart before the netherlands cu material before investigacion oranjestad(aan):un investigacion very big self owing to cuminsa diabierna for by instant cu two tourist mericano owing to attain one kaak cu diente on dje on the beach near by phoenix hotel. here is deal by one kaak seems by person blanco y young according one investigacion cortico cu will did take lugar. for by fuentenan policial daily paper have good informacion cu two acolyte by cuerpo policial owing to depart before the netherlands caminda eynan will go haci investigacion deep. still does not specula but already come to anend quite is think cu can is restonan human by one person cu was perdi. quite is think at once on nathallee holloway but esey still have to go wordo prove cu the result by labotarium at the netherlands. diabierna after cu owing to descubri the kaak owing to cuminsa investigacion at night self. seems cu was have vigilancia. daily paper self owing to see polisnan lora go direccion by ex strandpolitie saturday marduga. esey kiermen cu the area was being cuida. in day saturday testigonan owing to say cu they see afresh autoridad is investiga in the area. they will was see if have more pieza by remainder human cu the turistanan owing to attain. daily paper owing to go throw one view also after in the area y owing to see cu berdad the lama was enough bruto eybanda y owing to come enough by the beach. by one or another form the will owing to coba the sand y saca or throw restonan human on the beach. quite tourist y local likes march in the area. do not conoci if police owing to go busca conseho local close expertonan. polisnan self owing to hang on to the caso here hermeticamente close before evita cu the news can plama. already come to anend before monday morning the two oficialnan cu owing to go the netherlands cu the material is arrive y the kaak will being investiga in all profundidad. although is being talk cu can is one kaak by one young, can say cu eybanda also have indiannan bury. the result by the kaak is important before hear that this will is.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Cappuccino on November 15, 2010, 09:58:01 PM
Thanks for sending the article San, and thanks for posting it, Klaas.


"He knows he's a dead man walking". 
    :smt045 :smt045 :smt045

God forgive me, BUT it couldnt happen soon enough that he mets his day in the bowels of hell


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 15, 2010, 10:24:27 PM
WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH THOSE PEOPLE IN ARUBA?  You post an article about a human jawbone and reference Natalee Holloway and are too lazy to use an actual photo of the jawbone that washed ashore?

 ::MonkeyMad::

I didn't know that it wasn't a picture of what was found.

I also find it interesting and infuriating that the Amigoe article points out that the picture in Diario was not of the find, since it was of a bone with only one tooth; but doesn't say ANYTHING about the 24ora picture!

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

 (If the article with the picture from Diario, that was referred to in Amigoe, was in the online edition; I missed it.)





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 15, 2010, 10:30:15 PM
Thanks for the Globe article San!   ::MonkeyDance::

And thanks for posting it Klaas!  ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 15, 2010, 11:22:51 PM
WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH THOSE PEOPLE IN ARUBA?  You post an article about a human jawbone and reference Natalee Holloway and are too lazy to use an actual photo of the jawbone that washed ashore?

 ::MonkeyMad::

I didn't know that it wasn't a picture of what was found.

I also find it interesting and infuriating that the Amigoe article points out that the picture in Diario was not of the find, since it was of a bone with only one tooth; but doesn't say ANYTHING about the 24ora picture!

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

 (If the article with the picture from Diario, that was referred to in Amigoe, was in the online edition; I missed it.)





I didn't see any photos with the Diario article and I didn't see an Amigoe article at all.  Just the diario with no photo and the 24ora.  I found that the photo was a "stock" photo purely by accident.  I was googling human jawbone and found that photo connected to travel in AFRICA from this link  http://www.travelpod.com/travel-blog-entries/jacobvolkmar/jacobssemester/1140368640/tpod.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 15, 2010, 11:26:00 PM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/24315-agente-di-polis-deteni-pa-fula-un-dama-.html

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2025%20112010/11152010_24ora_Geerman.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

agent by police deteni before feel one lady

monday, 15 november 2010 22:27

monday morning 9or the agent by police g. geerman owing to remain deteni at keep by police old at santa cruz, at office by bizo (departamento cu is investiga kehonan contra polis). the young police have barely some moon on caya because aspirante but already is sospechoso by one caso in cual the will owing to feel one muhe in pova. the is one caso very delicado cu will did take luga at moon by october come to anend, then precisamente in club by police, esta pova situa at barcadera. look like cu the agent policial will owing to touch cu the lady at one part by her curpa inapropia by cual the lady owing to feel cu owing to atacha the integridad by her curpa. the caso is become more earnest, because the victima will owing to drag atencion by the defensor by ley before her acto, y here the police owing to mustr’e cu the is ful’e once more. the lady corectamente owing to entrega one complaint oficial at police cu owing to wordo investiga by by bizo, under supervision by ministerio publico. today morning owing to haci one cita before 9or cu the police y so cu past owing to march come into office by bizo, owing to detene for her investigacion here. after fiscal owing to dicidi by allow cer’e in gaol, pendiente the investigacion in her contra. the police is wordo sospecha by will owing to comete the delito in ley, conoci because articulo 252. before facilita we usuarionan, we owing to re produci the articulo at dutch self, manner the is aparece in we codigo penal, before facilidad by we usuarionan.

artikel 252

Google Dutch translation:

He who by force or other act or threat of violence or other act someone forces us to commit or tolerate indecent acts, shall be guilty of actual indecent assault punishable by imprisonment not exceeding eight years or a fine not exceeding one hundred thousand florin.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 15, 2010, 11:30:19 PM
WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH THOSE PEOPLE IN ARUBA?  You post an article about a human jawbone and reference Natalee Holloway and are too lazy to use an actual photo of the jawbone that washed ashore?

 ::MonkeyMad::

I didn't know that it wasn't a picture of what was found.

I also find it interesting and infuriating that the Amigoe article points out that the picture in Diario was not of the find, since it was of a bone with only one tooth; but doesn't say ANYTHING about the 24ora picture!

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

 (If the article with the picture from Diario, that was referred to in Amigoe, was in the online edition; I missed it.)





I didn't see any photos with the Diario article and I didn't see an Amigoe article at all.  Just the diario with no photo and the 24ora.  I found that the photo was a "stock" photo purely by accident.  I was googling human jawbone and found that photo connected to travel in AFRICA from this link  http://www.travelpod.com/travel-blog-entries/jacobvolkmar/jacobssemester/1140368640/tpod.html

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8719.msg1261785#msg1261785

(It was also included in the posts of mine that 2NJ brought forward on this page)


http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_81012.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Presumably human jaw found on beach

November 15, 2010, 24:31 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - A U.S. tourist has been found last Friday a bot that looks like a part of a jaw of a man. The tourist took the bone to the Phoenix hotel after police were called. The tourist told the officers that he was the bone on the beach near the hotel had been found.

Justice confirms in part the message that morning was in Diario. That morning paper had a photograph in print, this picture is not of the lost bone, let spokesperson Angela Ann of the Public Prosecutor (OM) Amigoe. "The prosecutor has the photo in Diario seen, which is not the bone. For that bone contains only one tooth. "Well that confirms the OM agents with bone have flown to the Netherlands for further investigation by the Netherlands Forensic Institute. If the investigation shows that it really is a human bone, the judiciary continued to research, says Angela. Meanwhile, the media has speculated about a connection with the 2005 American teen Natalee Holloway disappeared.

The beach at the Phoenix Hotel by the sea churned up a lot of one week ago. Receding lot of waste. including large pieces of cement and other construction materials.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 15, 2010, 11:31:43 PM
WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH THOSE PEOPLE IN ARUBA?  You post an article about a human jawbone and reference Natalee Holloway and are too lazy to use an actual photo of the jawbone that washed ashore?

 ::MonkeyMad::

I didn't know that it wasn't a picture of what was found.

I also find it interesting and infuriating that the Amigoe article points out that the picture in Diario was not of the find, since it was of a bone with only one tooth; but doesn't say ANYTHING about the 24ora picture!

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

 (If the article with the picture from Diario, that was referred to in Amigoe, was in the online edition; I missed it.)





I didn't see any photos with the Diario article and I didn't see an Amigoe article at all.  Just the diario with no photo and the 24ora.  I found that the photo was a "stock" photo purely by accident.  I was googling human jawbone and found that photo connected to travel in AFRICA from this link  http://www.travelpod.com/travel-blog-entries/jacobvolkmar/jacobssemester/1140368640/tpod.html

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8719.msg1261785#msg1261785

(It was also included in the posts of mine that 2NJ brought forward on this page)


http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_81012.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Presumably human jaw found on beach

November 15, 2010, 24:31 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - A U.S. tourist has been found last Friday a bot that looks like a part of a jaw of a man. The tourist took the bone to the Phoenix hotel after police were called. The tourist told the officers that he was the bone on the beach near the hotel had been found.

Justice confirms in part the message that morning was in Diario. That morning paper had a photograph in print, this picture is not of the lost bone, let spokesperson Angela Ann of the Public Prosecutor (OM) Amigoe. "The prosecutor has the photo in Diario seen, which is not the bone. For that bone contains only one tooth. "Well that confirms the OM agents with bone have flown to the Netherlands for further investigation by the Netherlands Forensic Institute. If the investigation shows that it really is a human bone, the judiciary continued to research, says Angela. Meanwhile, the media has speculated about a connection with the 2005 American teen Natalee Holloway disappeared.

The beach at the Phoenix Hotel by the sea churned up a lot of one week ago. Receding lot of waste. including large pieces of cement and other construction materials.

Well the Amigoe article was brought forward on the last page too...now.   ::MonkeyHaHa::
I didn't know my post was going to start the next page!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 15, 2010, 11:36:45 PM
I'm glad you were Googling Klaas and found that picture!   ::MonkeySlide::

Good grief, that still just makes me mad that they would post that picture, along with a picture from the beach... and not make a note that it wasn't from the scene!
 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 15, 2010, 11:54:01 PM
I'm glad you were Googling Klaas and found that picture!   ::MonkeySlide::

Good grief, that still just makes me mad that they would post that picture, along with a picture from the beach... and not make a note that it wasn't from the scene!
 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

Remember when the arm bone washed up in Venezuela?  Diario ran the article and the arm bone pictured in Diaro was not the one that washed up in Venezuela, it was a "stock" photo of an arm bone.  I know because I went to the Venezuelan newspaper myself and asked for a photo of the actual armbone found and they sent it to me.  They sent me the scanned front page of their paper. (when I sent the request I translated it through babel fish and I imagine they got a good laugh out of it)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/bone0805copy.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Sleuth on November 16, 2010, 12:00:33 AM
I'm glad you were Googling Klaas and found that picture!   ::MonkeySlide::

Good grief, that still just makes me mad that they would post that picture, along with a picture from the beach... and not make a note that it wasn't from the scene!
 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

Remember when the arm bone washed up in Venezuela?  Diario ran the article and the arm bone pictured in Diaro was not the one that washed up in Venezuela, it was a "stock" photo of an arm bone.  I know because I went to the Venezuelan newspaper myself and asked for a photo of the actual armbone found and they sent it to me.  They sent me the scanned front page of their paper. (when I sent the request I translated it through babel fish and I imagine they got a good laugh out of it)


I remember that!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 16, 2010, 12:06:48 AM
I'm glad you were Googling Klaas and found that picture!   ::MonkeySlide::

Good grief, that still just makes me mad that they would post that picture, along with a picture from the beach... and not make a note that it wasn't from the scene!
 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

Remember when the arm bone washed up in Venezuela?  Diario ran the article and the arm bone pictured in Diaro was not the one that washed up in Venezuela, it was a "stock" photo of an arm bone.  I know because I went to the Venezuelan newspaper myself and asked for a photo of the actual armbone found and they sent it to me.  They sent me the scanned front page of their paper. (when I sent the request I translated it through babel fish and I imagine they got a good laugh out of it)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/bone0805copy.jpg)

Yes, I remember it! 

And they may have got a laugh, but at least they understood what you were asking for and sent it!   ::MonkeyDance::

Do you think you could try getting a transcript of those last two shows of Peter's...you seem to get results!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

If we can get a transcript...I'll type them out and run the Dutch parts through the translator if needed.  I think that may be the only way we'll ever know what was actually said by Peter and the commentator.  I keep thinking we may have missed some important stuff!  I've sent a request through Peter's site for information about purchasing the transcript but never heard back.  Do you think it would be through Endemol?




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 16, 2010, 12:06:49 AM
I still have the email: ::MonkeyCool::

From: klaasend (email redacted)
Date:  Fri, 19 Aug 2005 18:20:12 -0700

Hola,
He estado intentando encontrar un cuadro del antebrazo encontrado en la
playa recientemente. ¿Sería posible para usted al email yo el cuadro?
Gracias,
klaasend



Their response: ::MonkeyCool::

From: "Anne Colina" <annecol@nuevodia.com.ve>
To: klaasend (email redacted)
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: Antebrazo - Natalee Holloway??




Hola!!! ante todo muchos saludos, adjunto le envío la foto que fue publicada
en la edición del Diario NUEVO DÍA, publicada el 11-08-2005, en la nota
titulada "Localizan restos de un brazo en Salinetas de Las Piedras",
haciendole la salvedad que en ningún momento el diario Nuevo Día publicó que
esos huesos pertenezcan a la joven desaparecida Natalee Holloway.

Mucho sabré agradecerle que si el propósito de la foto es publicarla, por
favor dejar los créditos del diario Nuevo Día, también quisiera saber si
usted es periodista y para que medio de comunicación labora...

Sin más a que referirme y esperando su pronta respuesta, me despido

                    Atentamente
                    Anne Colina
            Webmaster Diario Nuevo Día


My response back:

¡Gracias mucho!  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Then I sent one more email to Anne Colina explaining my email was translated with babel fish  ::MonkeyHaHa::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 16, 2010, 12:09:03 AM
I have all emails saved back to 2005 and some "important to save" back as far as 2003  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 16, 2010, 12:11:18 AM
Anyway the point is it really bothered me back in 2005 with that arm bone in Diaro and it bothers me now with this jaw bone and 24ora that they publish any old photo and not say it's not the real thing. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 16, 2010, 12:14:43 AM
Anyway the point is it really bothered me back in 2005 with that arm bone in Diaro and it bothers me now with this jaw bone and 24ora that they publish any old photo and not say it's not the real thing. 

I agree!  That's just wrong!   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 16, 2010, 12:43:15 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2025%20112010/11132010_Amigoe_Tranquilo.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2025%20112010/11152010_24ora_Tranquilo_Curacao.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 16, 2010, 12:44:41 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)

Justice for Natalee...

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

and Stephany!   ::MonkeyJustice::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 16, 2010, 02:28:13 AM
WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH THOSE PEOPLE IN ARUBA?  You post an article about a human jawbone and reference Natalee Holloway and are too lazy to use an actual photo of the jawbone that washed ashore?

 ::MonkeyShocked::
What the Heck??? That's beyond lazy........... would there be a purpose for not posting the actual picture?? What? Are they afraid that a picture could be used to compare Natalee's teeth with??

It's Aruba. I'm always looking with a sinister eye at anything they do that could possibly be related to Natalee. They've been very efficient and consistent in that regard.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 16, 2010, 02:33:53 AM
SAN sent this to me.  Thanks San!

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/Examiner112210a0001.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/Examiner112210b0001.jpg)

Still retro posting here......... sorry!  Thank You San!!  ::MonkeyDance:: That article has made a long, hard day much, much better! Woo-Hoo.......... now that's more like it!! Poor Baby, Joran's world isn't such a great place anymore and he's tired of it!  ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on November 16, 2010, 03:58:15 AM
WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH THOSE PEOPLE IN ARUBA?  You post an article about a human jawbone and reference Natalee Holloway and are too lazy to use an actual photo of the jawbone that washed ashore?

 ::MonkeyMad::

I didn't know that it wasn't a picture of what was found.

I also find it interesting and infuriating that the Amigoe article points out that the picture in Diario was not of the find, since it was of a bone with only one tooth; but doesn't say ANYTHING about the 24ora picture!

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

 (If the article with the picture from Diario, that was referred to in Amigoe, was in the online edition; I missed it.)





I didn't see any photos with the Diario article and I didn't see an Amigoe article at all.  Just the diario with no photo and the 24ora.  I found that the photo was a "stock" photo purely by accident.  I was googling human jawbone and found that photo connected to travel in AFRICA from this link  http://www.travelpod.com/travel-blog-entries/jacobvolkmar/jacobssemester/1140368640/tpod.html

No, Klaas, not by accident, by Natalee.  She knows who her champions are.

I have been hoping every day that the storms in Aruba have stirred things up and that Natalee will be found.  God, please hold Beth's hand while another torment of hope comes her way.  Please help Dave and don't let anyone sell him a bill of goods relating to this find.  Amen.

 ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on November 16, 2010, 04:53:26 AM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40210187/ns/world_news-americas
Cops test jawbone for Natalee Holloway link
Report: Forensic experts will examine molar after tourists find remains on Aruba beach

Police are investigating whether a jawbone found on Aruba is linked to the disappearance of U.S. teenager Natalee Holloway, a Dutch newspaper reported Tuesday.

According to De Telegraaf, forensic experts in the Netherlands will carry out tests on the remains.

The bone was found Friday on a beach near the Caribbean resort island's Phoenix Hotel, close to the Bubali swamp, the paper said.

Joran Van der Sloot, who was the last person seen with Holloway before the girl vanished during a high school graduation trip to Aruba in 2005, has previously claimed that he dumped her body in the swamp.

Van der Sloot has publicly said he killed the teen and then retracted his confession several times.

Peruvian authorities are holding Van der Sloot on charges that he killed another woman, Stephany Flores, in his hotel room in Lima, Peru, on May 30 — five years to the day after Holloway's disappearance.

If convicted on murder and robbery charges in Peru, Van der Sloot is likely to be sentenced to between 15 and 35 years in prison, court spokesman Luis Gallardo told The Associated Press in June.

A federal grand jury in Alabama has also indicted Van der Sloot on charges of wire fraud and extortion in relation to the Holloway case.

De Telegraaf said that tourists spotted the bone in the sand on Riba Beach. Police were notified after they handed it in at their hotel's front desk.

De Telegraaf said one molar was intact on the jawbone. Investigators will compare the tooth with Holloway's dental records.
Other bones which police on the island have examined for links to the Holloway case have turned out to be from animals.

Ven der Sloot was arrested twice in connection to Holloway's disappearance, but released both times for a lack of evidence.

NBC News' Nanette Van Der Laan, The Associated Press and msnbc.com staff contributed to this report.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on November 16, 2010, 06:36:39 AM
Holloway remains found?

Updated: Nov 16, 2010 4:36 AM EST
A human jaw bone has reportedly washed onto the shore and was found by tourists near the Phoenix Hotel of a beach in Aruba.

Forensic experts in the Netherlands are running tests, but investigators believe it's the jaw bone of Natalie Holloway.

Holloway is an 18-year-old high school student from Alabama who disappeared in May 2005 during a graduation trip to the Caribbean island . The prime suspect in the case, Joran Van Der Sloot is being held in Peru, charged with the first-degree murder and robbery of 21-year-old Stephany Flores.

Holloway was last seen by friends outside a restaurant and nightclub with Van Der Sloot, and the site where the bone was found is close to one of the locations given in a confession by him.

http://www.fox19.com/Global/story.asp?S=13509366


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on November 16, 2010, 06:49:50 AM
Hmmm...I hope this is not a convenience.  I have been thinking about this.  If this turns out to be Natalee's jawbone, does Joran then leave Peru and go back to Aruba to face crimes against Natalee Holloway in a much cushier prison? Will he suddenly escape, never to be found again?  (Does Satish have his Plastic Surgeon License yet?)

Joran better be careful, he might come out looking like this:

     (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/Monkey%20Cases/ISABingo_04252010_4-1.jpg)

 ::MonkeyEek::


Or like a Soap Opera, he may come back as Paulus, after all, he was whooshed off the island and buried quickly.

 ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on November 16, 2010, 07:17:14 AM
http://blog.al.com/wire/2010/11/dutch_to_test_bone_found_on_ar.html
Dutch to test bone found on Aruba beach to see if it could be from Natalee Holloway
Published: Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 6:00 AM     Updated: Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 6:06 AM
THE HAGUE, Netherlands — Dutch forensic experts are testing a piece of bone found on the Caribbean island of Aruba to see if it comes from missing Mountain Brook teenager Natalee Holloway, a spokeswoman said Tuesday.

Experts first will establish whether the bone is human before comparing its DNA to that of Holloway, said Netherlands Forensic Institute spokeswoman Inge Oevering.
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Holloway, then 18, disappeared in 2005 while on a high school graduation trip to Aruba. Her remains have never been found, despite extensive police searches. If the bone turns out to be from Holloway, it would be the first concrete evidence of her death.
utchman Joran van der Sloot, who faces separate murder charges in Peru, is the last person seen with Holloway and is suspected in her disappearance.

The Dutch daily De Telegraaf reported Tuesday the bone was found by tourists on a beach last Friday. The newspaper reported it was a human lower jaw bone, but Oevering said the bone was still being analyzed to establish whether it was human.

Oevering said prosecutors in Aruba will announce the results of the tests. She could not say how long the tests would take.

Van der Sloot is in jail in Lima charged with killing a woman in Peru five years to the day after Holloway's disappearance.

Van der Sloot has told several people he was involved in Holloway's disappearance, only to later retract his confessions. He has also admitted in interviews that he is a pathological liar.

Among his explanations, Van der Sloot has claimed that Holloway accidentally fell from a balcony and that he disposed of her body in a swamp. He also told an undercover reporter that she died unexpectedly while they were kissing and he dumped her body in the ocean.

Aruban prosecutors say they lack evidence to charge Van der Sloot.
U.S. law enforcement officials say Van der Sloot extorted $10,000 from Holloway's mother, Beth Twitty, after offering to help find Holloway's body in Aruba, then used the money to travel to Lima.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 16, 2010, 07:52:39 AM
http://www.rnw.nl/africa/bulletin/natalee-holloways-lower-jaw-may-have-been-found

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/11162010_RNW_LowerJawBoneFound_Natalee.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/11162010_RNW_LowerJawBoneFound_Natalee2.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Blonde on November 16, 2010, 08:00:53 AM
We will NEVER know the TRUTH  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Red on November 16, 2010, 08:10:44 AM
Wouldn't this be something that after all this time it turns out to be a real clue.

Natalee Holloway: Jaw Bone Found in Aruba, Sent for tests at the NFI Forensic Institute in The Hague (Pictures)
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/11/16/natalee-holloway-jaw-bone-found-in-aruba-sent-for-tests-at-the-nfi-forensic-institute-in-the-hague-pictures/

What will Joran, Deepak, Satish and Aruba say next if it is proved to be Natalee ... oh, she drown.

Hopefully this will provide answers, not more speculation.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Blue Moon on November 16, 2010, 08:11:24 AM
We will NEVER know the TRUTH  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I so agree with you on that statement.  The most important thing (in my mind) is to bring Natalee back home to her family and her country.  Once that is achieved then all the "monsters" on that island can be outed for what they are. 

I have a sick feeling that jaw bone will never be heard from again. JMO

My prayers are with Beth and Dave this morning that their dear beloved Natalee can come home to rest.  The thoughts all these years she is on that island has been painful for the family and for anyone else who knows what that island is all about.

Aruba should have done something a long time ago---THEY KNEW ALL ALONG. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Blue Moon on November 16, 2010, 08:14:07 AM
Wouldn't this be something that after all this time it turns out to be a real clue.

Natalee Holloway: Jaw Bone Found in Aruba, Sent for tests at the NFI Forensic Institute in The Hague (Pictures)
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/11/16/natalee-holloway-jaw-bone-found-in-aruba-sent-for-tests-at-the-nfi-forensic-institute-in-the-hague-pictures/

What will Joran, Deepak, Satish and Aruba say next if it is proved to be Natalee ... oh, she drown.

Hopefully this will provide answers, not more speculation.

Red, what makes them think this time it is a real clue to Natalee and not thing it on any other bones found over the year?  I wonder if Beth and Peter got any info from Joran while they were at that prison that might have helped in the location?  I hope this is it and she is brought home where she belongs.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Blue Moon on November 16, 2010, 08:15:18 AM
Wouldn't this be something that after all this time it turns out to be a real clue.

Natalee Holloway: Jaw Bone Found in Aruba, Sent for tests at the NFI Forensic Institute in The Hague (Pictures)
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/11/16/natalee-holloway-jaw-bone-found-in-aruba-sent-for-tests-at-the-nfi-forensic-institute-in-the-hague-pictures/

What will Joran, Deepak, Satish and Aruba say next if it is proved to be Natalee ... oh, she drown.

Hopefully this will provide answers, not more speculation.

Red, what makes them think this time it is a real clue to Natalee and not thing "think" it on any other bones found over the year?  I wonder if Beth and Peter got any info from Joran while they were at that prison that might have helped in the location?  I hope this is it and she is brought home where she belongs.

correction (thing to think)  sorry.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 16, 2010, 08:22:00 AM
Most bone fragments found on Aruba don't make it to the network news.  I just heard about
the jaw bone on CBS Early Show top headlines right along with Price William's engagement.

Maybe something will come of it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: can on November 16, 2010, 08:54:56 AM
Most bone fragments found on Aruba don't make it to the network news.  I just heard about
the jaw bone on CBS Early Show top headlines right along with Price William's engagement.

Maybe something will come of it.

Yes, I heard it too.
Is this the place where someone put a cross?   Thinking of the sad picture of Dave that we saw so long ago.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Anna on November 16, 2010, 08:59:36 AM
I heard it mentioned on Fox & Friends just a few minutes ago.  If it had not been Merican tourists who found it, we might never have heard about it.

Now that Joran the Monster has murdered again, maybe Aruba will give it up and stop defending him.  Not even his own mother seems very concerned about him any more.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Anna on November 16, 2010, 09:02:43 AM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40210187/ns/world_news-americas
Cops test jawbone for Natalee Holloway link
Report: Forensic experts will examine molar after tourists find remains on Aruba beach

Police are investigating whether a jawbone found on Aruba is linked to the disappearance of U.S. teenager Natalee Holloway, a Dutch newspaper reported Tuesday.

According to De Telegraaf, forensic experts in the Netherlands will carry out tests on the remains.

The bone was found Friday on a beach near the Caribbean resort island's Phoenix Hotel, close to the Bubali swamp, the paper said.

Joran Van der Sloot, who was the last person seen with Holloway before the girl vanished during a high school graduation trip to Aruba in 2005, has previously claimed that he dumped her body in the swamp.

Van der Sloot has publicly said he killed the teen and then retracted his confession several times.

Peruvian authorities are holding Van der Sloot on charges that he killed another woman, Stephany Flores, in his hotel room in Lima, Peru, on May 30 — five years to the day after Holloway's disappearance.

If convicted on murder and robbery charges in Peru, Van der Sloot is likely to be sentenced to between 15 and 35 years in prison, court spokesman Luis Gallardo told The Associated Press in June.

A federal grand jury in Alabama has also indicted Van der Sloot on charges of wire fraud and extortion in relation to the Holloway case.

De Telegraaf said that tourists spotted the bone in the sand on Riba Beach. Police were notified after they handed it in at their hotel's front desk.

De Telegraaf said one molar was intact on the jawbone. Investigators will compare the tooth with Holloway's dental records.
Other bones which police on the island have examined for links to the Holloway case have turned out to be from animals.

Ven der Sloot was arrested twice in connection to Holloway's disappearance, but released both times for a lack of evidence.

NBC News' Nanette Van Der Laan, The Associated Press and msnbc.com staff contributed to this report.



This came up on MSN Messenger so plenty of people will see it.  This link Muffy posted has lots of information including about Beth and the ever handsome and dashing Peter deVries.  There is also a timeline at the bottom of the page.  Good coverage.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Anna on November 16, 2010, 09:11:21 AM
All this news this morning!  Wow!  Did we know about Joran's suicide attempt?  I can't remember if we heard about this before or not.  He's such a Drama Queen, I have a hard time taking it seriously, however.

Call me crazy but I am all hopeful over this because now defending Joran makes Aruba look very foolish and backward compared to Peru.  They don't have as much to gain as before and in fact must feel pretty stupid.

And on one of the dozens of true crime programs on TV these days, I saw one about a Dutch scientist who pioneered the use of DNA taken from skin cells found on the clothing of victims so I do feel that if this is Natalee, they will find that.

How stupid am I to jump right back on the roller coaster and be hopeful?  Don't know why but I do feel a ray of hope about this.  But I have been wrong about that before.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: can on November 16, 2010, 09:15:07 AM
All this news this morning!  Wow!  Did we know about Joran's suicide attempt?  I can't remember if we heard about this before or not.  He's such a Drama Queen, I have a hard time taking it seriously, however.

Call me crazy but I am all hopeful over this because now defending Joran makes Aruba look very foolish and backward compared to Peru.  They don't have as much to gain as before and in fact must feel pretty stupid.

And on one of the dozens of true crime programs on TV these days, I saw one about a Dutch scientist who pioneered the use of DNA taken from skin cells found on the clothing of victims so I do feel that if this is Natalee, they will find that.

How stupid am I to jump right back on the roller coaster and be hopeful?  Don't know why but I do feel a ray of hope about this.  But I have been wrong about that before.

Good morning Anna.  You're not stupid at all, far from it.
I'll hope right along with you.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on November 16, 2010, 09:30:21 AM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40210187/ns/world_news-americas
Cops test jawbone for Natalee Holloway link
Report: Forensic experts will examine molar after tourists find remains on Aruba beach

Police are investigating whether a jawbone found on Aruba is linked to the disappearance of U.S. teenager Natalee Holloway, a Dutch newspaper reported Tuesday.

According to De Telegraaf, forensic experts in the Netherlands will carry out tests on the remains.

The bone was found Friday on a beach near the Caribbean resort island's Phoenix Hotel, close to the Bubali swamp, the paper said.

Joran Van der Sloot, who was the last person seen with Holloway before the girl vanished during a high school graduation trip to Aruba in 2005, has previously claimed that he dumped her body in the swamp.

Van der Sloot has publicly said he killed the teen and then retracted his confession several times.

Peruvian authorities are holding Van der Sloot on charges that he killed another woman, Stephany Flores, in his hotel room in Lima, Peru, on May 30 — five years to the day after Holloway's disappearance.

If convicted on murder and robbery charges in Peru, Van der Sloot is likely to be sentenced to between 15 and 35 years in prison, court spokesman Luis Gallardo told The Associated Press in June.

A federal grand jury in Alabama has also indicted Van der Sloot on charges of wire fraud and extortion in relation to the Holloway case.

De Telegraaf said that tourists spotted the bone in the sand on Riba Beach. Police were notified after they handed it in at their hotel's front desk.

De Telegraaf said one molar was intact on the jawbone. Investigators will compare the tooth with Holloway's dental records.
Other bones which police on the island have examined for links to the Holloway case have turned out to be from animals.

Ven der Sloot was arrested twice in connection to Holloway's disappearance, but released both times for a lack of evidence.

NBC News' Nanette Van Der Laan, The Associated Press and msnbc.com staff contributed to this report.



This came up on MSN Messenger so plenty of people will see it.  This link Muffy posted has lots of information including about Beth and the ever handsome and dashing Peter deVries.  There is also a timeline at the bottom of the page.  Good coverage.

Anna- I agree with you and I was glad to see this news carried on MSN.  Most that read/post in NH thread probably already knew the info in the article I posted, but like you, I feel "plenty of people will see it" since it's carried on MSN.  It's good to see coverage in Natalee's case back out there.  I also agree that Peter deVries is handsome and dashing, but if he helps Beth, which helps Natalee, then he's definitely wearing a white hat.  (One of the good guys)  ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on November 16, 2010, 09:33:14 AM
All this news this morning!  Wow!  Did we know about Joran's suicide attempt?  I can't remember if we heard about this before or not.  He's such a Drama Queen, I have a hard time taking it seriously, however.

Call me crazy but I am all hopeful over this because now defending Joran makes Aruba look very foolish and backward compared to Peru.  They don't have as much to gain as before and in fact must feel pretty stupid.

And on one of the dozens of true crime programs on TV these days, I saw one about a Dutch scientist who pioneered the use of DNA taken from skin cells found on the clothing of victims so I do feel that if this is Natalee, they will find that.

How stupid am I to jump right back on the roller coaster and be hopeful?  Don't know why but I do feel a ray of hope about this.  But I have been wrong about that before.

Good morning Anna.  You're not stupid at all, far from it.
I'll hope right along with you.   ::MonkeyAngel::

Never give up.  I stand with the girl.  Justice for Natalee is just around the corner.  I'm not providing quotes and links, but we've seen some of these words/phrases before and they are still relevant, imo.  Oh, and one more:  There is always hope. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 16, 2010, 09:39:19 AM
I see you all got the alerts too ::MonkeyCool::

I hope there is something to it this time.  Normally bones found in Aruba don't cause this much stir.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 16, 2010, 09:42:33 AM
Location where jawbone washed ashore

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/ArubaMap.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Blonde on November 16, 2010, 09:52:39 AM
  I Don't  feel a ray of hope about this.  But I have been wrong about that before.
If this is  Natalee's bone we will never know ...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 16, 2010, 09:54:22 AM
I find it unusual that the media is all over this.  Normally when a bone is found in Aruba it's dismissed and that is the last we hear about it.  If we ask later, they claim it was a donkey bone or monkey bone but not human.  This time is different.  WHY?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 16, 2010, 10:38:01 AM
I find it unusual that the media is all over this.  Normally when a bone is found in Aruba it's dismissed and that is the last we hear about it.  If we ask later, they claim it was a donkey bone or monkey bone but not human.  This time is different.  WHY?

My thoughts were along the same lines, except I was focusing on how quickly the bone was sent to Dutch forensics.  Then, I remembered when they loaded up all of the 'evidence' on Natalee's case to send to the NL...where is it now? 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 16, 2010, 10:39:54 AM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/CNN111610.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 16, 2010, 11:09:21 AM
Location where jawbone washed ashore

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/ArubaMap.gif)


Klaasend this is awesome!  The first image I thought of was were were the hotels in relationship to each other. You are Sooo On it! ::MonkeyDance::

Hope is what binds us until the truth become reality!

Justice for Natalee and Peace for her family!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on November 16, 2010, 11:11:25 AM
  I Don't  feel a ray of hope about this.  But I have been wrong about that before.
If this is  Natalee's bone we will never know ...

I am surprised that Aruba just idn't have Dennis Jacobs examine it for them.
After all, he does have forensically trained eyes, as previously proven.
In the past, he has been able to make crucial investigative decisions, on the spot:

(1)Deepak's backseat was scanned and determined that no blood existed, just chocolate and cleaning fluid.
(2)A belt that was turned over to him was deemed completely irrelevant.
(3)Blood on an abondoned mattress was declared dog blood.

With Dennis Jacobs on the scene, there is no forensic lab needed.
In fact, his trained eyes are better than any lab that exists in the world.

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: San on November 16, 2010, 11:16:11 AM
I find it unusual that the media is all over this.  Normally when a bone is found in Aruba it's dismissed and that is the last we hear about it.  If we ask later, they claim it was a donkey bone or monkey bone but not human.  This time is different.  WHY?

Interesting ain't it.  I don't trust one thing coming out of Aruba.  Did they use this as an opportunity to say hey we can finally put an end to this nightmare.  With Paulus dead and Joran in jail this would be their only chance to return Natalee's remains to Beth.  We shall see what happens.

And if they say it was Natalee is this the only evidence they will return to Beth.  Let's face it they had Natalee's remains all this time.  We want all of her to be returned.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 16, 2010, 11:17:25 AM
Location where jawbone washed ashore

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/ArubaMap.gif)


Klaasend this is awesome!  The first image I thought of was were were the hotels in relationship to each other. You are Sooo On it! ::MonkeyDance::

Hope is what binds us until the truth become reality!

Justice for Natalee and Peace for her family!

Woohoo!  1st post!  Welcome, Lisa in MD.  Klaasend is the best!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Kimmy53 on November 16, 2010, 11:29:12 AM
I find it unusual that the media is all over this.  Normally when a bone is found in Aruba it's dismissed and that is the last we hear about it.  If we ask later, they claim it was a donkey bone or monkey bone but not human.  This time is different.  WHY?

My thoughts on this is that is would be a perfect time to "find" Natalee and for Aruba to try to save a little face since Joran is so hated.  Of course they will say they tried to do the right thing blah, blah, blah.  They will still not have enough evidence to try Joran, but will have an "out" or so they think.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Lifesong on November 16, 2010, 11:50:39 AM

Well, I'm confused.  If the jaw bone found had only one tooth, a molar, then I'm hard pressed to believe it might be relevent to Natalee's case.

I admittedly don't know the degradation effect sea/salt water has on teeth, but I would expect that Natelee's own lower jaw would not be so degraded, i.e. would have more teeth, after only 5 years.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 16, 2010, 11:52:56 AM
I'm so with you guys on this. I heard Fox report on this at 6:30 this morning and immediately thought that if it's perceived as beneficial to Aruba, Beth just may get something to bring home. That's a wonderful thing and I want that for Beth.

Personally, I do not believe any of Natalee's remains just happened to wash ashore near the location Joran stated. If this turns out to be from Natalee, then it has been orchestrated IMO. With the latest publicity from the DeVries documentary that ended with the promise to return in 5 years, Aruba may have decided that if Beth was going to continue to be a Bulldog about this, they'd literally throw her a bone.

JMO.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 16, 2010, 11:57:04 AM

Well, I'm confused.  If the jaw bone found had only one tooth, a molar, then I'm hard pressed to believe it might be relevent to Natalee's case.

I admittedly don't know the degradation effect sea/salt water has on teeth, but I would expect that Natelee's own lower jaw would not be so degraded, i.e. would have more teeth, after only 5 years.



I really don't know how degraded it would be after being in the water for 5+ years but we don't know the cause of death either. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 16, 2010, 12:02:26 PM
Thanks for the big welcome 2NJSons_Mom.!  I’ve enjoyed reading the posts here for yrs.

My mind is just spinning with this news and my heart is filled with hope!   ::cartwheel::

I wonder what kind of impact this will bring in the treatment of the “NARSA King” at Castro, Castro.  I wonder if he has heard the news and what his reaction is.  I wonder what the general Peruvian reaction is.

As far as I am concerned Aruba doesn’t get the easy out.  They don’t get the out until FULL JUSTICE prevails and even after that should they really get an out at all? I mean, this wasn’t just an Ooops!  It was a murder with united continual mass corruption and it was wrong on so many levels. Not so easy to sweep under the rug!

They say the truth comes out in the wash so lets hope this is it!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 16, 2010, 12:25:48 PM
I'm so with you guys on this. I heard Fox report on this at 6:30 this morning and immediately thought that if it's perceived as beneficial to Aruba, Beth just may get something to bring home. That's a wonderful thing and I want that for Beth.

Personally, I do not believe any of Natalee's remains just happened to wash ashore near the location Joran stated. If this turns out to be from Natalee, then it has been orchestrated IMO. With the latest publicity from the DeVries documentary that ended with the promise to return in 5 years, Aruba may have decided that if Beth was going to continue to be a Bulldog about this, they'd literally throw her a bone.

JMO.

I agree they have known all along but

Wouldn’t that be a Big Mistake them “Throwing her a bone”.  I mean the case hinged on “No body, No Crime” saying they could only speculate that a crime was committed.  This would not only prove that a crime was committed but also in the general vicinity of where the suspected crime was committed and in connection with Joran’s past confessions.

Of course we all know Arubans can’t add and 1 + 1 doesn’t always equal 2 there but they will be hard pressed to stand by in idle if this is actual evidence.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 16, 2010, 12:35:20 PM
Got an If question?

If the remains are Natalee’s and Aruba or the Neitherland’s decide to bring charges against Joran what is the protocol for who gets him after Peru is done with him?  Do murder charges in Aruba trump extortion charges in America?

Just wondering if anyone knows how that would go.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: akmom on November 16, 2010, 12:35:35 PM
I just cannot get it out of my mind that this timing could be so very convenient.   I have felt for a while that any time now something may turn up.  Just enough time since the heinous act of killing Stephanie.  Far enough away from Natalee's disappearance to actually be able to tell anything from the remains. If  this is Natalee, there is no doubt in my mind that this was planned.  Joran has gone above and beyond to prove himself a sociopathic lying killer, so the general public would not believe anything about a cover-up in Aruba coming from his lips, so Aruba can let Natalee go without most people knowing the truth.  No one, except a bunch of monkeys......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 16, 2010, 12:39:41 PM

Well, I'm confused.  If the jaw bone found had only one tooth, a molar, then I'm hard pressed to believe it might be relevent to Natalee's case.

I admittedly don't know the degradation effect sea/salt water has on teeth, but I would expect that Natelee's own lower jaw would not be so degraded, i.e. would have more teeth, after only 5 years.



I really don't know how degraded it would be after being in the water for 5+ years but we don't know the cause of death either. 

I had the same thought as Lifesong, but you make a good point, Klaas, about the cause of death & water degradation.

Noticed earlier that when I went to Yahoo's main page, where they have Trending Now....Natalee Holloway was #1. 

Shortly thereafter, our cable went out and it just came back.  The weather is crappy today, so maybe some wiring is askew somewhere.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 16, 2010, 12:40:43 PM
Dr. Baden was just saying that they can actually find drug residue in the root canal of the teeth/jaw, even if it was buried in the ground for 5 years (less likely if in the ocean for 5 years).

Dr. Baden says they must know it is human or they would not have sent to the NL.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 16, 2010, 12:43:47 PM
Got an If question?

If the remains are Natalee’s and Aruba or the Neitherland’s decide to bring charges against Joran what is the protocol for who gets him after Peru is done with him?  Do murder charges in Aruba trump extortion charges in America?

Just wondering if anyone knows how that would go.


I don't know the protocol, but I doubt that IF the jawbone was Natalee's that it would suffice bringing charges against Joran.  He's retracted his stories and I would doubt that a single jawbone would prove his guilt in Aruba or Dutch law (which we don't understand).  jmo


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 16, 2010, 12:45:45 PM
Dr. Baden was just saying that they can actually find drug residue in the root canal of the teeth/jaw, even if it was buried in the ground for 5 years (less likely if in the ocean for 5 years).

Dr. Baden says they must know it is human or they would not have sent to the NL.

 ::MonkeyEek::  I obviously didn't think of that....but, I'm not a doctor. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 16, 2010, 12:51:45 PM
When I say we don't know the cause of death and what shape the jaw would be in I mean....

If someone is hit by a car their jaw could be shattered
If someone is shot by a gun - hit with a bat

We know from Stephany the rage Joran has.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: San on November 16, 2010, 12:55:01 PM
Got an If question?

If the remains are Natalee’s and Aruba or the Neitherland’s decide to bring charges against Joran what is the protocol for who gets him after Peru is done with him?  Do murder charges in Aruba trump extortion charges in America?

Just wondering if anyone knows how that would go.


Good question.  Let's just say Joran is found guilty.  We have heard many say that Joran would be out of prison by the age of 30 if he is found guilty (depending on the charges).  Is this a way for Aruba to say we are next in line regarding charges and Joran then returns to Aruba where he will go free.

Makes me wonder.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 16, 2010, 12:57:01 PM
Got an If question?

If the remains are Natalee’s and Aruba or the Neitherland’s decide to bring charges against Joran what is the protocol for who gets him after Peru is done with him?  Do murder charges in Aruba trump extortion charges in America?

Just wondering if anyone knows how that would go.


I don't know the protocol, but I doubt that IF the jawbone was Natalee's that it would suffice bringing charges against Joran.  He's retracted his stories and I would doubt that a single jawbone would prove his guilt in Aruba or Dutch law (which we don't understand).  jmo


You are probably right. I am a bit naive about the reality of it all when I want to see true justice on this case.  A girl can hope though! You gotta believe it could happen!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: San on November 16, 2010, 12:57:06 PM
Someone in the Netherlands is pulling the strings.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Blonde on November 16, 2010, 12:58:06 PM
Bone Found in Aruba Tested for Holloway Link

Published November 16, 2010



May 24, 2005: Natalee Holloway, 18, stands with her father Dave Holloway on her graduation day from Mountain Brook High School in Mountain Brook, Ala.

AP

May 24, 2005: Natalee Holloway, 18, stands with her father Dave Holloway on her graduation day from Mountain Brook High School in Mountain Brook, Ala.

THE HAGUE, Netherlands -- Dutch forensic experts are testing a piece of bone found on the Caribbean island of Aruba to see if it comes from missing American teenager Natalee Holloway, a spokeswoman said Tuesday.

Experts first will establish whether the bone is human before comparing its DNA to that of Holloway, said Netherlands Forensic Institute spokeswoman Inge Oevering.

Holloway, then 18, disappeared in 2005 while on a high school graduation trip to Aruba. Her remains have never been found, despite extensive police searches. If the bone turns out to be from Holloway, it would be the first concrete evidence of her death.

Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, who faces separate murder charges in Peru, is the last person seen with Holloway and is suspected in her disappearance.

The Dutch daily De Telegraaf reported Tuesday the bone was found by tourists on a beach last Friday. The newspaper reported it was a human lower jaw bone, but Oevering said the bone was still being analyzed to establish whether it was human.

slideshow

It's been five years since 18-year-old Natalee Holloway disappeared while on a high school graduation trip to Aruba. Now, Joran van der Sloot, the last known person seen alive with the young Alabama woman, has confessed to hiding her body in an island marsh, according to a Dutch newspaper, and admitted to Peruvian officials that he murdered 21-year-old Peruvian Stephany Flores.

   

Oevering said prosecutors in Aruba will announce the results of the tests. She could not say how long the tests would take.

Van der Sloot is in jail in Lima charged with killing a woman in Peru five years to the day after Holloway's disappearance.

Van der Sloot has told several people he was involved in Holloway's disappearance, only to later retract his confessions. He has also admitted in interviews that he is a pathological liar.

Among his explanations, Van der Sloot has claimed that Holloway accidentally fell from a balcony and that he disposed of her body in a swamp. He also told an undercover reporter that she died unexpectedly while they were kissing and he dumped her body in the ocean.

Aruban prosecutors say they lack evidence to charge Van der Sloot.

U.S. law enforcement officials say Van der Sloot extorted $10,000 from Holloway's mother, Beth Twitty, after offering to help find Holloway's body in Aruba, then used the money to travel to Lima.


http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/11/16/experts-probe-possible-holloway-link-jaw-bone/?test=latestnews


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 16, 2010, 01:01:56 PM
Got an If question?

If the remains are Natalee’s and Aruba or the Neitherland’s decide to bring charges against Joran what is the protocol for who gets him after Peru is done with him?  Do murder charges in Aruba trump extortion charges in America?

Just wondering if anyone knows how that would go.


Good question.  Let's just say Joran is found guilty.  We have heard many say that Joran would be out of prison by the age of 30 if he is found guilty (depending on the charges).  Is this a way for Aruba to say we are next in line regarding charges and Joran then returns to Aruba where he will go free.

Makes me wonder.


WOW! Now you really have me thinking! Hadn't considered the alternative!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 16, 2010, 01:03:42 PM
http://www.facebook.com/#!/titolacle?v=wall (http://www.facebook.com/#!/titolacle?v=wall)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/Titofb1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 16, 2010, 01:07:10 PM
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/8225571/__Mogelijke_kaak_van_Holloway__.html?view=print

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/Telegraph1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: can on November 16, 2010, 01:07:34 PM
If the bone is Natalee's and shows and doesn't show date rape drug or other marks of violence, couldn't Aruba say there is not enough evidence and she may have drowned?

Also, if the bone is not Natalee's I think it should be tested for other known
missing.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on November 16, 2010, 01:10:49 PM
My local noon news just reported on the bone found and that is was being tested to see if it was Natalee's. This is the first time that anything about Natalee has been reported on our local noon news in YEARS...they did report on Joran/Peru on the evening news...but to my knowledge not the noon LOCAL news


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Lifesong on November 16, 2010, 01:15:06 PM
When I say we don't know the cause of death and what shape the jaw would be in I mean....

If someone is hit by a car their jaw could be shattered
If someone is shot by a gun - hit with a bat

We know from Stephany the rage Joran has.


Thanks, Klaas.  I wasn't thinking of Stephany.  I was thinking more about relocation after recovery from the trap.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 16, 2010, 01:15:52 PM
Lifesong - sorry I was trying not to be graphic.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 - 11/16/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 16, 2010, 01:23:50 PM
 ::MonkeyCool::

Tito,

It is what it is.      ::MonkeyTongue::

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: Lifesong on November 16, 2010, 01:26:47 PM
Someone in the Netherlands is pulling the strings.

IMO, yes.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 - 11/16/10
Post by: Anna on November 16, 2010, 02:03:03 PM
Yes, something seems different this time.  Maybe it's the fact Paulus is not around to run interference and the bone was actually sent for testing.

Then I wonder if it will get priority or have to wait weeks for testing.  Anyone know how fast a DNA test can be done these days?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 - 11/16/10
Post by: Magnolia on November 16, 2010, 02:16:40 PM
Yes, something seems different this time.  Maybe it's the fact Paulus is not around to run interference and the bone was actually sent for testing.

Then I wonder if it will get priority or have to wait weeks for testing.  Anyone know how fast a DNA test can be done these days?

Maury can do them overnight, but the NL may not have that technology. ::MonkeyHaHa::

Tim Miller said that it took six weeks for the tests on the remains in the trap.

I think it has been established that the US charges against Joran have been filed and any other charges
have to fall in line behind Peru and the US.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 - 11/16/10
Post by: Blonde on November 16, 2010, 02:20:58 PM
I just don't believe this is from  a female
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Natalee/untitled.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 - 11/16/10
Post by: klaasend on November 16, 2010, 02:27:15 PM
Blonde - not only that, that photo of a jawbone is from Africa and not the one found in Aruba.  24ora used a stock photo and not the real thing. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 - 11/16/10
Post by: Blonde on November 16, 2010, 02:28:50 PM
Klaas  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 16, 2010, 02:29:30 PM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/24270-kaak-cu-diente-haya-banda-di-phoenix-hotel-riba-beach.html

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_thumbs/b.175.125.16777215.0...images.stories.news.2010.november.nov14.kaak.KAAK.jpg)

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_thumbs/b.175.125.16777215.0....images.stories.news.2010.november.nov14.kaak.IMG_2063.JPG)

Kaak cu diente haya banda di Phoenix Hotel riba beach

Monday, 15 November 2010 07:53
KAAK
Recherche y cuerpo tecnico ta investigando un caso di partinan humano haya banda di e beach den area di Phoenix Hotel. Diabierna dos turista procedente di Merca ta esnan cu a bati alarma pa loke cu nan a descubri. Un kaak cu diente. Autoridad parce a confirma cu aki ta trata di un kaak humano. Te hasta ta papia di un hende blanco y hoben. Aki bo mente ta dal mesora riba e caso di Nathallee Holloway. Autoridad lo a keda cuida e area parce unda e turistanan a haya e kaak. Mainta diasabra testigonan ta bisa di a mira miembronan di TOD presente den e area ta busca. Na Aruba no tin lugar pa haci un test 100% riba loke e turistanan a descubri. Pesey mes diadomingo fuentenan halto den cuerpo policial a confirma cu dos miembro di polis cu tabata den e investigacion henter marduga a sali pa Hulanda. Nan a bai cu loke a wordo haya pa asina un investigacion masha profundo por tuma lugar riba e kaak cu diente cu a ser descubri. Kizas cu e hayasgo aki e noticia di Nathallee Holloway ta bolbe lanta cabez atrobe.

I would say not donkey.  This is a donkey jawbone:

(http://www.wordsforcourageousliving.com/images/samson_15_16.jpg)


FYI - that jawbone pictured in 24ora is NOT the one that washed ashore, it is a human jawbone they found via google.  Here is the origin of that picture:

http://www.travelpod.com/travel-blog-entries/jacobvolkmar/jacobssemester/1140368640/tpod.html



Blonde - please read my post above from yesterday.  We really don't know what the actual jawbone looks like.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 - 11/16/10
Post by: klaasend on November 16, 2010, 02:29:51 PM
Klaas  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I'm not kidding  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 - 11/16/10
Post by: texasmom on November 16, 2010, 02:43:04 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_81065.php

Google translation:

"Joran possible after only six years free '

November 16, 2010, 24:57 (GMT -04:00)

Email this article 
Print this article 

ORANGE CITY / LIMA - Joran van der Sloot, if he is convicted, six years after release. This has informed his lawyer Máximo Altívez to the press in Peru. Reported to keep Joran's confession to the murder of Stephany Flores on May 30, but he consoles and the plundering of 800 car from the victim denied.

Local media in Peru reported that Altívez had indicated that his client 20 years in prison for murder can get his defense if he can prove that Joran Flores the money with him, and he has not taken her car had just moved at the request of another driver. Of these 20 years he would then only need to serve six. Thereafter, he was released for good behavior.
Joran van der Sloot is currently locked up in the Miguel Castro Castro prison in Peru, awaiting his trial for the murder of Stephany Flores. Shortly after his arrest he confessed to the murder of 21-year-old Peruvian. The disappearance of American Natalee Holloway, where he is prime suspect, while still keeps the minds. Joran is planning to Natalee's mother, Beth Twitty, and crime journalist Peter R. de Vries to sue because a confrontation in the office of the prison were recorded with a hidden camera. Those images were a few weeks ago to monitor both the Dutch and American television.

'Jaw Beth
There was also news yesterday that at the Divi Phoenix Beach Hotel remains of a jaw were found for Natalee Holloway. Although not yet clear whether it is a human jaw, the foreign media deposited on top. The CNN was initially reluctant to link with the Holloway case, but in her last news that did. The Dutch media go one step further. Headline in The Times this morning as' Hope of breakthrough in research Holloway. One of the biggest news in the Netherlands Nu.nl even writes: "jaws of Natalee Holloway found possible. Also, Peter R. de Vries, who gained international fame by reporting the missing teen, has responded on his website. He is more cautious than the other Dutch media: "There has often been claimed that some of Natalee Holloway was found, such as clothing or a piece of bone. Each gave her mother Beth hopes, but ended up again and again nothing. Also this time I consider the chance that a very small remnant of Natalee. It would then be washed, in the sea and I can not imagine that after five years something of it. "

Daily Herald reported yesterday found the bone. That message said that a photograph of the Aruban newspaper Diario published previously not found the jaw.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 - 11/16/10
Post by: jen3560 on November 16, 2010, 02:49:12 PM
Blonde - thank you for that article.  IMO, that is the most important (yet) information we have received.  We FINALLY have a name at the NFI!!!!  That has never happened before.

Lifesong - you and I are sharing a brain today, I see.  ::MonkeyCool::  After all, they didn't just stick the cage contents into someone's desk drawer........what better place than back out to sea, but this time not contained...

I agree with the Monkeys in thinking this time definitely seems different.

Thanks to all for keeping us updated!  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 - 11/16/10
Post by: Nut44x4 on November 16, 2010, 02:49:49 PM
Klaas......are you locking?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 - 11/16/10
Post by: klaasend on November 16, 2010, 02:50:47 PM
Klaas......are you locking?


Yeah, I've got it!  Thanks!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 - 11/16/10
Post by: texasmom on November 16, 2010, 02:51:08 PM
http://www.peterrdevries.nl/nieuws/onderkaak-van-natalee-holloway/

Google translation:

Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 11:39 hours
News

(http://www.peterrdevries.nl/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/natalee-holloway.jpg)

Lower jaw of Natalee Holloway?
Peter: "very small chance that the remnant of Natalee"

(http://www.peterrdevries.nl/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/natalee-holloway-klein.jpg)
Natalee Holloway

The discovery of a human mandible on the beach in Aruba, in both the U.S. and Dutch media obviously needed attention. The jaw was found Friday by a few tourists on the beach near the Phoenix Hotel, not far from the Bubali Plas. The tourists took their find to the reception, a hotel employee when the police warned. Dutch Forensic Institute will examine the future of the jaw actually comes from Natalee Holloway.

Human remains
The jaw, according to the police in any case have come from a man. But because due to warm conditions in the Caribbean bodies quickly decompose, it is usually difficult to determine its age. The jaw is now found containing dental materials, including an electoral gift. This makes the remains usable for DNA analysis or a comparison with dental records of Holloway.

(http://www.peterrdevries.nl/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/natalee-holloway-koraal.jpg)
On Aruba was already a "human skeleton found that Natalee would be possible. It turned out to be a piece of coral to go.

Peter in a first response to the discovery: "There has often been claimed that some of Natalee Holloway was found, such as clothing or a piece of bone. Each gave her mother Beth hopes, but ended up again and again nothing. Also this time I consider the chance that a very small remnant of Natalee. It would then be washed, in the sea and I can not imagine that after five years something of it. "

Coral
It is not the first time that skeletal remains were found which were once assumed to be possible came from Natalee Holloway. In two previous cases turned out to be bones of an animal to go. Also, there have been some research done into an alleged skeleton off the coast of Aruba, which was found by divers there. Research showed that when a few pieces of coral were that happened as a "skeleton" was adopted.

It is not yet known when the investigation into the origins of the jaw will be completed.

Updated: Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 11:48 hours


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 16, 2010, 02:51:23 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)

Justice for Natalee...

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

and Stephany!   ::MonkeyJustice::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 - 11/16/10
Post by: klaasend on November 16, 2010, 02:52:28 PM
FYI - I just got an email from Dana Pretzer and he was able to talk to Jossy for a short interview regarding the jawbone.  Dana's show will air tonight at 9pm ET.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 - 11/16/10
Post by: texasmom on November 16, 2010, 02:52:56 PM
FYI - I just got an email from Dana Pretzer and he was able to talk to Jossy for a short interview regarding the jawbone.  Dana's show will air tonight at 9pm ET.
::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 - 11/16/10
Post by: klaasend on November 16, 2010, 02:53:39 PM
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Please move to Natalee #851

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