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Title: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 - 1/5/11
Post by: Nut44x4 on November 15, 2010, 07:33:07 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/GNhISlifk9Y?fs=1&hl=en_US

JUSTICE MUST BE SERVED!!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on November 27, 2010, 05:16:45 PM
Thank you for the smooth ride, Nut.  (http://bestsmileys.com/cars/23.gif)

I like this:
  "Justice Must Be Served!!".  


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Green Eyes on November 27, 2010, 07:49:07 PM
Thank You Nutt

Liked "Justice Must Be Served"  RIP Zahra ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Brandi on November 27, 2010, 09:42:16 PM
Public memorial for Zahra Baker planned in Hickory
Published: Saturday, November 27, 2010 at 8:21 p.m.
Last Modified: Saturday, November 27, 2010 at 8:21 p.m.

HICKORY, N.C. (AP) — A memorial service will be held Thursday for a 10-year-old disabled girl who police think was dismembered after her death in North Carolina.

According to an obituary for Zahra Baker on the Drum Funeral Home website, the service will be held at 7 p.m. Thursday at the mortuary's Hickory chapel. The obituary does not include a date of death nor include her stepmother, Elisa Baker, in the list of survivors.

Elisa Baker has been accused by authorities of obstructing justice in the investigation and led police to the girl's remains. No one has been charged in connection with the girls' disappearance or death.

The girl, who had used a prosthetic leg and hearing aids after a bout with cancer, was reported missing in October and police say they found her remains earlier this month.

The obituary does list Elisa Baker's daughters — Zahra's stepsisters — among survivors along with her mother and grandparents in Australia, where Zahra was born.

"She was a strong, courageous and fun person who was everyone's friend and protective of her family and friends," according to the obituary that the funeral home says was submitted by the girl's father, Adam Baker.

Funeral home office manager Patti Merritt told The Charlotte ******* that the service will be open to the public, but that the chapel only holds about 200 people.

More than 1,000 people attended a vigil in downtown Hickory on Nov. 16 — what would have been the girl's 11th birthday.

"Zahra never met a stranger and was an inspiration to all those who knew her," the obituary said. "She had a beautiful smile, an energetic personality and a wonderful sense of humor that gave her the ability to turn the worst possible situation into a fun situation."

The funeral home staff says burial plans have not been made. The medical examiner has not released the remains, Hickory Police Deputy Chief Clyde Deal said Friday. Police also are awaiting results of tests on evidence and expect to receive that next week

Adam Baker has said in a televised interview that after the case is over, he would like to return to Australia with his daughter's remains. Adam Baker met his wife on the Internet while he was living in Australia.

http://www.blueridgenow.com/article/20101127/articles/101129858

Posted because it is a new thread.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: CarolF on November 27, 2010, 11:09:49 PM
Thank you Nutt for that beautiful tribute for Zahra. I didn't find Scared Monkeys until Caylee lost her life and that was so heartbreaking and I have shed many many tears for that sweet little girl, but this what was done to Zahra is so much more than heartbreaking. Every time I come in here to read I cry and I know I am not alone. Tonight I fixed turkey dinner for my children and grand children and as I looked around the room at them with so much love in my heart for them I just can never ever understand how someone could even think of harming their children. EVER! I hope and pray that justice for Zahra will not be dragged out for years and that it will be swift. Thank you everyone for all the wonderful pictures and information that you all bring forth! Thank you mods and Klaas for all the work you do to keep Scared Monkey running smoothly.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on November 28, 2010, 03:49:48 AM
Ma Baker on not mentioning Emily's family in the obituary.  First she says neither her or Adam wrote it then she says Adam submitted it.  From what she has written they did not tell Emily they were doing any of this.


Karen Baker
lilybet emily was not notified of the sevice as adam still has no contact details for her she didnt leave any for him. and yes zahra was born in wagga 13months later they moved to newcastle area adam was given custody in july 2oo1 then moved to qld 2oo4 mmmmmmm
so what that is moving all around the country i guess if that is how u want to see it ok but try and tell me zahra was hidden sorry zahra was not the kinda of girl to be hidden from anyone and yes emily did find out about the cancer after zahra lost her leg i know she called the Drs, that was in 2oo5 ok sorry all now is not the time for this but i am sick of somethings being said that are not true i noticed it was never corrected that zahra was 8 weeks old when emily left adam and zahra and yes she did see zahra few times before they left wagga and yes she did see zahra a few times in 2oo1 none of us has never said otherwise.

Karen Baker
hey emily was here and she could have contacted me and she never tried and yes i said no to emily the day i found out zahra was missing i dont care what u think lillybet but this is a crime still under investigation, and yes we know emilys family names were not included but a bit hard to included names u dont know and yes i know she found out today somethings were only finialised today

Karen Baker
just to clarify things a bit emily never contacted me.a friend asked me on the day i found out zahra was missing if i would talk to emily and i said no as i was was in no state to chat to her at that stage and no she has never tried to contact me again. and no she never tried to contact adam either sorry if u dont all agree but that is how it is and still is i have no contact details for emily or any of her family,and sharron i have nothing to hide and never have hidden anything or anyone

Karen Baker
no one was intentionally left out its a case of not having all the information. and besides all that adam or i didnt not write the obituary. and if u knew zahra she would have liked to have what she classes as her sisters included remember zahra im sure some are trying to think of her and take that into consideration. even if others are not.

Karen Baker
yes adam did submit it but does it say he or i wrote it . and as far as i know the obituary has not even been in the media yet only a small bit of it . u can read the whole thing on sunday US time. so cathy where did i lie now get over it and let us get on with what has to be done.

Karen Baker
yes it was on the internet but has not been in other media in full yet and that is what cathy was quoting
i just wish some would get over themselves and let us get on with what has to be done


http://www.facebook.com/Zahra-Clare-Baker-Bring-Her-Home


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Nightowl on November 28, 2010, 05:17:26 AM
I read that thread on FB, nightmare that it is and noticed one of the Baker cheerleaders stating that ED is posting on the HM and here at Scared Monkeys.  I have read Emily's posts on HM but have not read any on here, have I missed something or is this person mistaken, which by the way would not surprise me?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on November 28, 2010, 07:32:28 AM
http://www.newsobserver.com/2010/11/28/829787/zahras-memorial-service-is-thursday.html
Zahra's memorial service is Thursday
Published Sun, Nov 28, 2010 04:46 AM
Modified Sat, Nov 27, 2010 11:52 PM

BY MEGHAN COOKE - The Charlotte *******

HICKORY -- Zahra Baker's family plans a memorial service this week to celebrate the life of the 10-year-old cancer survivor whose death shocked many who were captured by her winning smile.

The service is set for 7 p.m. Thursday at Drum Funeral Home's chapel on 29th Avenue Northeast in Hickory.

An obituary that the funeral home says was submitted by Zahra's father, Adam Baker, lists several of the girl's family members, including many from her native Australia, but omits the name of Adam Baker's wife and Zahra's stepmother, Elisa Baker.

Elisa Baker, 42, was charged with obstruction of justice days after police say she admitted writing a bogus ransom note to throw off investigators looking into Zahra's disappearance.

Adam Baker reported Zahra missing Oct. 9, and investigators have said they found what they believe are Zahra's remains.

No one has been charged in connection with Zahra's death. Elisa Baker remains in jail, and both she and Adam Baker deny any wrongdoing.




Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 28, 2010, 09:44:21 AM
I read that thread on FB, nightmare that it is and noticed one of the Baker cheerleaders stating that ED is posting on the HM and here at Scared Monkeys.  I have read Emily's posts on HM but have not read any on here, have I missed something or is this person mistaken, which by the way would not surprise me?

She is not posting here that I am aware of.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Nightowl on November 28, 2010, 10:47:08 PM
I read that thread on FB, nightmare that it is and noticed one of the Baker cheerleaders stating that ED is posting on the HM and here at Scared Monkeys.  I have read Emily's posts on HM but have not read any on here, have I missed something or is this person mistaken, which by the way would not surprise me?

She is not posting here that I am aware of.

Thanks Klaas, I didn't think so,


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on November 28, 2010, 11:22:09 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Karen Baker
i just want to share something with all. i can hear a little voice saying, they are mean nan lets just laugh, and now i can see zahra laughing at all those being mean she is not laughing with u she is laugh at u all and now i will join her in that laughter.


http://www.facebook.com/Zahra-Clare-Baker-Bring-Her-Home


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Monkey King on November 28, 2010, 11:47:18 PM
I'm thinking "crazy like a bedbug".


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Nana29 on November 28, 2010, 11:49:09 PM
I'm thinking "crazy like a bedbug".


You're dissing the bedbug now...


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on November 29, 2010, 12:19:15 AM
I'm thinking "crazy like a bedbug".

I'm not sure bedbugs hear voices.   ::koaladancing::  She is sure chatting up a storm on that FB discussion board Topic: obituary for Zahra.  I have gotten to the part where LE and the FBI are telling her things as they trust her and the rest of us will have to wait till the truth comes out.   


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Green Eyes on November 29, 2010, 01:46:23 AM
I'm thinking "crazy like a bedbug".

I'm not sure bedbugs hear voices.   ::koaladancing::  She is sure chatting up a storm on that FB discussion board Topic: obituary for Zahra.  I have gotten to the part where LE and the FBI are telling her things as they trust her and the rest of us will have to wait till the truth comes out.   

OMG where have we heard that one before.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Brandi on November 29, 2010, 04:11:54 AM
::MonkeyNoNo::

Karen Baker
i just want to share something with all. i can hear a little voice saying, they are mean nan lets just laugh, and now i can see zahra laughing at all those being mean she is not laughing with u she is laugh at u all and now i will join her in that laughter.


http://www.facebook.com/Zahra-Clare-Baker-Bring-Her-Home

I could not get that URL to work.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Lenie on November 29, 2010, 07:38:28 AM
OT Is there a board for the 3 little boys in Michigan?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: theboyzmom on November 29, 2010, 08:32:11 AM
OT Is there a board for the 3 little boys in Michigan?

Yes - you can find it here http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9032.msg1269600#new


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Lazydog1 on November 29, 2010, 09:32:04 AM
Did I miss where LE stated the DNA Tests have been completed and the remains belong to Zahra?

It seems that Karen Baker and Adam Baker are totally convinced this is Zahra. How can Adam be so sure if he didn't know where she was disposed at?

I still believe he was involved in the disposal and possibly in the actual murder of this child. How long does a person go without seeing their child they live in the same house with. He had to have known what was going on in that home. They need to put this POS behind bars.

I believe the Mother should be able to receive the remains and bury her precious daughter close to her.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Nana29 on November 29, 2010, 11:02:39 AM
Did I miss where LE stated the DNA Tests have been completed and the remains belong to Zahra?

It seems that Karen Baker and Adam Baker are totally convinced this is Zahra. How can Adam be so sure if he didn't know where she was disposed at?

I still believe he was involved in the disposal and possibly in the actual murder of this child. How long does a person go without seeing their child they live in the same house with. He had to have known what was going on in that home. They need to put this POS behind bars.

I believe the Mother should be able to receive the remains and bury her precious daughter close to her.


 ::rhino::   ,    ::rhino::   , and    ::rhino::   !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Tolerance on November 29, 2010, 12:28:34 PM
Just posting in Zahra's thread to say:  We have not forgotten and are praying for justice for you, Zahra.  Rest in Peace, little angel.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Green Eyes on November 29, 2010, 06:28:37 PM
Just checking no arrest made yet  ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: sadheart on November 29, 2010, 06:52:57 PM
Are there any "justice for Zahra" bracelets available? If not, I think there should be, in purple, pink, white and blue. I would buy/wear one especially if profit went to her Au burial, a memorial/playground, etc.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on November 29, 2010, 08:45:26 PM
Yesterday I found the FB link, and went there 2 read.

Aaron Young ~ well I read his posts, and for someone so concerned about Z and her welfare  ~
I was SHOCKED that his posts tell me that he has to be a Portugese Sailor !
Does he know any words in the English language, which are not cuss "oriented ?"
I can honestly see him hooked up with Elisa.

As a G'ma. of 5, if anything happened to anyone of them, I would
NOT be posting on FB to defend their Dad, nor anyone else.
She acts like she IS a few fries shy in her Happy Meal. I see
now what is meant by......the apple does not fall far from the tree.

Fighting about a murdered 10 year old. I feel that Ma Baker is
a  DISPICABLE human being, and should be ahamed of herself,
but continues to blab on FB. ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on November 29, 2010, 08:53:38 PM
Service to remember Zahra

TOWNSVILLE BULLETIN  |  November 30th, 2010

LITTLE Zahra Baker's only relatives in America - her grieving father Adam and grandmother Karen - are in hiding, under police protection, as public anger surges through the North Carolina township of Hickory.

The police protection will cover the planned memorial service this week for the murdered 10-year-old cancer survivor.

Adam and Karen have vowed that verbal abuse and intimidation will not deter them from honouring Zahra, as happened during the candlelight vigil on November 16 attended by more than 1000 on what would have been her 11th birthday.

The service, on Thursday, will be held in a chapel that seats about 200 people.

No funeral can be held until police complete their investigation.

The Baker family will throw open the doors of the memorial service to the public, saying they understand that others need closure too - everyone who helped look for Zahra over that agonising five-week period, the police investigators, emergency workers, her school mates, close friends and neighbours, and complete strangers whose lives were touched by the brave little Aussie girl who had beaten so much in her life.

Her grieving father and grandmother will be in the front pew of the church service to be held at the Drum Funeral Home in Hickory before the Reverend Larry Cooley, saying this time they refuse to be cowed by public vilification into not attending the memorial to Zahra's life.

"This time we're not going to stay away because people think we should," Karen said yesterday, speaking exclusively to the Townsville Bulletin from her hideaway.

"We can't have a funeral for our baby because the police have not released her body, and we don't know how long it will take for them to give her back to us.

"But we needed to do something, to try to move on a little bit we wanted a celebration of her life, a chance to remember the fun times, not so much the tears that have happened since she went missing."

"That's what I want people to see, and that's what I think the police and searchers need to see too, to get those horrible images out of their minds, to help them grieve too."

Zahra's stepmother, Elisa Baker, 42, who met Adam on the internet and married him two years ago, is in jail on an obstruction of justice charge for allegedly confessing to writing a fake ransom note for $1 million following Zahra's disappearance in early October.

Zahra's body was discovered on November 12.

The family has asked that donations be made in Zahra's name to St Jude Children's Research Hospital in Memphis, Tennessee, where Zahra was part of their research program, and in Australia to Camp Quality.

http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/article/2010/11/30/188601_news.html


 ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: 4 Donks on November 29, 2010, 08:54:22 PM
Yesterday I found the FB link, and went there 2 read.

Aaron Young ~ well I read his posts, and for someone so concerned about Z and her welfare  ~
I was SHOCKED that his posts tell me that he has to be a Portugese Sailor !
Does he know any words in the English language, which are not cuss "oriented ?"
I can honestly see him hooked up with Elisa.

As a G'ma. of 5, if anything happened to anyone of them, I would
NOT be posting on FB to defend their Dad, nor anyone else.
She acts like she IS a few fries shy in her Happy Meal. I see
now what is meant by......the apple does not fall far from the tree.

Fighting about a murdered 10 year old. I feel that Ma Baker is
a  DISPICABLE human being, and should be ahamed of herself,
but continues to blab on FB. ::MonkeyMad::

I agree. ::rhino::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: 4 Donks on November 29, 2010, 08:58:33 PM
Service to remember Zahra

TOWNSVILLE BULLETIN  |  November 30th, 2010

LITTLE Zahra Baker's only relatives in America - her grieving father Adam and grandmother Karen - are in hiding, under police protection, as public anger surges through the North Carolina township of Hickory.

The police protection will cover the planned memorial service this week for the murdered 10-year-old cancer survivor.

Adam and Karen have vowed that verbal abuse and intimidation will not deter them from honouring Zahra, as happened during the candlelight vigil on November 16 attended by more than 1000 on what would have been her 11th birthday.

The service, on Thursday, will be held in a chapel that seats about 200 people.

No funeral can be held until police complete their investigation.

The Baker family will throw open the doors of the memorial service to the public, saying they understand that others need closure too - everyone who helped look for Zahra over that agonising five-week period, the police investigators, emergency workers, her school mates, close friends and neighbours, and complete strangers whose lives were touched by the brave little Aussie girl who had beaten so much in her life.

Her grieving father and grandmother will be in the front pew of the church service to be held at the Drum Funeral Home in Hickory before the Reverend Larry Cooley, saying this time they refuse to be cowed by public vilification into not attending the memorial to Zahra's life.

"This time we're not going to stay away because people think we should," Karen said yesterday, speaking exclusively to the Townsville Bulletin from her hideaway.

"We can't have a funeral for our baby because the police have not released her body, and we don't know how long it will take for them to give her back to us.

"But we needed to do something, to try to move on a little bit we wanted a celebration of her life, a chance to remember the fun times, not so much the tears that have happened since she went missing."

"That's what I want people to see, and that's what I think the police and searchers need to see too, to get those horrible images out of their minds, to help them grieve too."

Zahra's stepmother, Elisa Baker, 42, who met Adam on the internet and married him two years ago, is in jail on an obstruction of justice charge for allegedly confessing to writing a fake ransom note for $1 million following Zahra's disappearance in early October.

Zahra's body was discovered on November 12.

The family has asked that donations be made in Zahra's name to St Jude Children's Research Hospital in Memphis, Tennessee, where Zahra was part of their research program,
and in Australia to Camp Quality.

http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/article/2010/11/30/188601_news.html


 ::MonkeyMad::

BMM
I wonder when she was seen at St.Jude.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on November 29, 2010, 09:03:15 PM
Yesterday I found the FB link, and went there 2 read.

Aaron Young ~ well I read his posts, and for someone so concerned about Z and her welfare  ~
I was SHOCKED that his posts tell me that he has to be a Portugese Sailor !
Does he know any words in the English language, which are not cuss "oriented ?"
I can honestly see him hooked up with Elisa.

As a G'ma. of 5, if anything happened to anyone of them, I would
NOT be posting on FB to defend their Dad, nor anyone else.
She acts like she IS a few fries shy in her Happy Meal. I see
now what is meant by......the apple does not fall far from the tree.

Fighting about a murdered 10 year old. I feel that Ma Baker is
a  DISPICABLE human being, and should be ahamed of herself,
but continues to blab on FB. ::MonkeyMad::

I agree. ::rhino::

I agree also. 

I believe more test results should be received by end of this week and I am hoping they will be enough to make sure AB is locked up.  Then this piece of garbage that is his mother can go back under her rock and stay there.

I can assure you that KB is a very poor example of an ordinary Australian.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: nicubird on November 29, 2010, 09:06:51 PM

BMM
I wonder when she was seen at St.Jude.

She wouldn't necessarily have to be seen at St Jude's to be part of their research program. She could have been part of their research while being treated in Australia. I know our hospital has partnered with different hospitals to be part of their research protocols and data without our patients stepping a foot in the other facility. I do not believe for a second that she received medical care while in the USA.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: 4 Donks on November 29, 2010, 09:07:54 PM
The more I think about Zahra and St.Judes the more I don't believe it. If she was in their research program they would have all her previous medical records from Australia. That means that LE would not have to wait for the records to come from Australia they would be in this country.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on November 29, 2010, 09:20:03 PM
http://www.chathousenews.com/

There are  some A+, NEW articles here 2 day, regarding Z.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: nicubird on November 29, 2010, 09:36:41 PM
The more I think about Zahra and St.Judes the more I don't believe it. If she was in their research program they would have all her previous medical records from Australia. That means that LE would not have to wait for the records to come from Australia they would be in this country.

St ude's would not have records identifiable to her if she were enrolled in the research via her treatment in Australia. Jude's would only have the data associated with her treatment with no name attached.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on November 29, 2010, 09:40:19 PM
Nite all !
Hopefully the DNA results will be completed by Friday,
and LE can get the show on the road and place some
people in silver......where they belong !


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on November 29, 2010, 09:54:45 PM
Nite all !
Hopefully the DNA results will be completed by Friday,
and LE can get the show on the road and place some
people in silver......where they belong !

Good night LEP


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on November 29, 2010, 10:00:00 PM

BMM
I wonder when she was seen at St.Jude.

She wouldn't necessarily have to be seen at St Jude's to be part of their research program. She could have been part of their research while being treated in Australia. I know our hospital has partnered with different hospitals to be part of their research protocols and data without our patients stepping a foot in the other facility. I do not believe for a second that she received medical care while in the USA.
..
I agree with you. I know how these things work.
As for that POS of a sperm donor, well Zahra must have got most of her the DNA from Emily. I knew these peeps would have themselves a cry fest. Too bad they didn't look out for her when she was in the bedroom being abused. Karen Baker was in AU, but the rest of them, like someone said, they could have done something, taken the child to an ER while she had marks, go outside and call 911 while the abuse was going on. ANYTHING. Or stand up and say something and put it in no uncertain terms what they would do. And POS AB just sat there. I logged myself off for a few days, needed a time out. I read, but I made it so that I had to think a bit before I posted.
O/T, I installed Google Chrome ( free ), love it ! 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Brandi on November 29, 2010, 10:20:23 PM
Zahra Baker's relatives hiding under US police protection ahead of memorial service
November 30, 2010 11:50AM
ZAHRA Baker's only relatives in America - her grieving father Adam Baker and grandmother Karen Baker - are in hiding, under police protection, as public anger surges through the North Carolina township of Hickory.

The police protection will cover the planned memorial service this week for the murdered Australian 10-year-old, the Townsville Bulletin said.

Adam and Karen Baker have vowed that verbal abuse and intimidation will not deter them from honouring Zahra, as happened during the candlelight vigil on November 16 attended by more than 1000 on what would have been her 11th birthday.

The service, on Thursday, will be held in a chapel that seats about 200 people.

No funeral can be held until police complete their investigation into the disappearance and death of the little girl, a two-time cancer survivor who had a prosthetic leg and also suffered from impaired hearing.

The Baker family will throw open the doors of the memorial service to the public, saying they understand that others need closure too - everyone who helped look for Zahra over that agonising five-week period, the police investigators, emergency workers, her school mates, close friends and neighbours, and complete strangers whose lives were touched by her story.

Her grieving father and grandmother will be in the front pew of the church service to be held at the Drum Funeral Home in Hickory before the Reverend Larry Cooley, saying this time they refuse to be cowed by public vilification into not attending the memorial to Zahra's life.

"This time we're not going to stay away because people think we should," Karen Baker said, speaking exclusively to the Townsville Bulletin from her hideaway.

"We can't have a funeral for our baby because the police have not released her body, and we don't know how long it will take for them to give her back to us.

"But we needed to do something, to try to move on a little bit we wanted a celebration of her life, a chance to remember the fun times, not so much the tears that have happened since she went missing."

Zahra's American stepmother, Elisa Baker, 42, who met Adam on the internet and married him two years ago, is in jail on an obstruction of justice charge for allegedly confessing to writing a fake ransom note for $1 million following Zahra's disappearance in early October.

Zahra's body was discovered on November 12.

The family has asked that donations be made in Zahra's name to St Jude Children's Research Hospital in Memphis, Tennessee, where Zahra was part of their research program, and in Australia to Camp Quality.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/zahra-bakers-relatives-hiding-under-us-police-protection-ahead-of-memorial-service/story-e6frf7l6-1225963220764?from=public_rss


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Brandi on November 29, 2010, 10:23:30 PM
Court keeps Zahra Baker search warrants sealed
By Sarah Newell williamson
Published: November 29, 2010

HICKORY --

The district attorney’s office is fighting to keep search warrants relating to the Zahra Baker homicide case sealed.

The warrants that have been sealed include one each for Elisa Baker’s MySpace account, Facebook account and America Online email account, and eight for Elisa and Adam Baker’s house at 21 21st Avenue, NW, in Hickory. The search warrants were from Oct. 11-Oct. 29.

The Hickory Police Department asked for the search warrants to be sealed. On each search warrant, judges stated “the release of information contained in said search warrant and its return will potentially undermine an ongoing investigation or jeopardize the right of the state to prosecute a defendant or defendants or jeopardize the rights of a defendant or defendants to receive a fair trial.”

The 11 search warrants have been signed by four different judges.

According to an administrative order effective Oct. 1 from resident Catawba County Superior Court Judge Timothy Kincaid, arrest and search warrants and related documents become public record when they are executed and returned to the clerk’s office, unless they are sealed by the court.

If they are sealed, as the search warrants in the Zahra Baker case were, they “shall expire in 30 days unless a different expiration date is specified in the order,” according to the administrative order.

However, “the state may move for an extension of an order sealing or redacting a court document and the existing order shall remain in effect until the motion for extension is decided.”

Although the search warrants were initially believed to be unsealed on Monday, prosecutor Sean McGinnis came to the clerk’s office and filed a motion to extend the sealed orders.

An attempt was made by the Hickory Daily Record on Wednesday to gain access to the search warrants. However, Clerk of Superior Court Al Jean Bogle was not at the courthouse Wednesday, and other clerks were hesitant to make a decision about the search warrants in her absence, saying she was the only person who could make the decision. There were also no superior court judges at the courthouse to speak with.

Several media outlets returned to the courthouse again on Monday to try to obtain copies of the search warrants that had passed the 30-day mark. On each search warrant is an order sealing the search warrant and its return, along with the reason stating why it’s sealed. However, after this is a separate paragraph that states “it is therefore ordered that this search warrant and its return be sealed and not released to the public until further order of the court.”

This paragraph is what is being argued.

“A judge can change his order, but until it’s been filed, we go with what’s already on file,” Bogle said.

This last paragraph, which is on every sealed warrant, supercedes Judge Kincaid’s administrative order stating the sealed warrants should be released after 30 days, Bogle said. Although Poovey told her verbally the warrants should be unsealed, Bogle said the clerk’s office has to go with what’s on file until a written motion is filed with the clerk’s office.

In the motion, McGinnis stated again that unsealing the warrants and the search return could jeopardize the case.

The order also asked for a hearing on Dec. 13 to determine if the orders could remain sealed.

“It’s important for the integrity of the case,” said District Attorney Jay Gaither, speaking of why his office asked for the warrants to remain sealed. “Nothing has changed since they were sealed.”

Zahra, a 10-year-old Australian girl who has captured the hearts of many across the state and nation, was first reported missing by her father, Adam Baker, on Oct. 9. The bubbly child lost part of her left leg and some of her hearing to cancer, which she beat twice. On Oct. 12, the Amber Alert that was issued was cancelled and the case was changed to a homicide investigation. On Nov. 12, police said they had enough evidence to confirm that Zahra was dead.

Her stepmother, Elisa Baker, has been charged with obstruction of justice. She is accused of writing a false ransom note in which she demanded $1 million. Adam and Elisa have both been arrested on several other charges unrelated to Zahra’s disappearance. Adam has since bonded out of jail.

No arrests have been made in Zahra’s case. Her family is holding a celebration of life service on Thursday at Drum Funeral Home and Cremation Services in Hickory.
http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/nov/29/court-keeps-zahra-baker-search-warrants-sealed-ar-576265/


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: bananas on November 30, 2010, 03:21:59 AM
Took a break from this for a while.....  was really getting me down.  I see nothing new really.  I was hoping to come back and see AB had been arrested.  My fear is they won't find the evidence they need to lock him up.

PLEASE!  Justice for Zahra!

 ::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on November 30, 2010, 10:05:22 AM
http://www.wral.com/news/state/story/8699613/
Posted: 6:23 a.m. today
Updated: 6:53 a.m. today
Prosecutors: Keep warrants secret in Zahra's case

CHARLOTTE, N.C. — Prosecutors want to keep secret the search warrants in the investigation in the disappearance of a disabled North Carolina girl.

Multiple media outlets report that prosecutors filed a request Monday to keep the warrants secret in the case of 10-year-old Zahra Baker because of the ongoing investigation.

The girl's father and stepmother reported Zahra missing Oct. 9. Police say they found her remains in Caldwell County more than a month later. Zahra had used a prosthetic leg and hearing aids after a bout with cancer.

Her stepmother, Elisa Baker, is charged with obstruction of justice after police say she wrote a fake ransom note about another girl the day Zahra was reported missing. The girl's father, Adam Baker, faces unrelated charges.

A hearing on prosecutors' request is Dec. 13.



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: mizjay on November 30, 2010, 11:29:38 AM
Took a break from this for a while.....  was really getting me down.  I see nothing new really.  I was hoping to come back and see AB had been arrested.  My fear is they won't find the evidence they need to lock him up.

PLEASE!  Justice for Zahra!

 ::MonkeyJustice::
Bananas~ I really think he will be charged along with EB. No way they lived in a 900 sq. ft. house and he wasn't aware of what's going on. He's been reportedly playing on IMVU all  while which tells me that the blood and gore and thoughts of her being dismembered are nothing to worry with . He and his mother (who acts exactly like CA) never talk about that final act of indignity, most non guilty people would be devestated, not them. She spends her time on FB defending him, not being outraged about Zahra, something's not right. I think he'll go down for this.  Maybe his gothbride really was telling the truth in her letters, self serving yes, but maybe a lot of truth in there.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on November 30, 2010, 12:04:42 PM
My wish for Zahra is that her Dad will be cuffed and taken away during, before, or after her memorial service on Thurs.
IMO this would make a big statement for the justice LE is seeking for her !


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: mizjay on November 30, 2010, 12:18:33 PM
My wish for Zahra is that her Dad will be cuffed and taken away during, before, or after her memorial service on Thurs.
IMO this would make a big statement for the justice LE is seeking for her !

Nothing would make me happier. This mock memeorial which is their attempt at image repair and control disgusts me. For them to "celebrate Her Life" is  a pile o poo. Her life while here in the States was a living hell, the man who was in charge of her well being simply abandoned her to an abuser and the circle of "new family" is about as low as one can get. They ought to be quietly mourning her instead of trying to recreate the town's ceremony to honor her. They really make me sick. Justice for Zahra


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Post by: sassifrass on November 30, 2010, 12:20:12 PM
Police hope tests will provide answers in Zahra Baker case

HICKORY, N.C. – It has been seven weeks since 10-year-old Zahra Baker was first reported missing, and although evidence that confirms she is dead has been found, police haven’t announced exactly what happened to her.

There is a single red rose on the door of the house where she lived. The house itself has been vandalized, a memorial to the 10-year-old that sat in front of the house is gone and a tree that was the center of the memorial has been cut down.

No one has been charged with the 10-year-old’s death. However, police are hoping to learn more about what happened to her later this week. Tests on the remains that were found in what appeared to be a shallow grave off of Dudley Shoals Road are expected back this week.

Police said the remains were consistent what those of a child, but could not say for certain that they were Zahra’s.

Search warrants used by police to search the home and yard where Zahra’s father and stepmother, Adam and Elisa Baker, lived have remained sealed. On Monday, prosecutors filed a request to keep the warrants secret. Investigators say revealing the contents would jeopardize any case they hope to make.

Adam Baker has made arrangements for a Thursday memorial service for Zahra at Drum Funeral Home. A burial service hasn’t been planned since the one bone that has been identified as Zahra’s is part of the evidence in the case.

Elisa Baker, who was charged with obstruction of justice in connection with Zahra’s disappearance remains at the Catawba County Jail. When Adam Baker wrote Zahra’s obituary he named several relatives but omitted Elisa Baker’s name.


http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Police-hope-test-results-will-provide-answers-in-Zahra-Baker-case-111000499.html (http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Police-hope-test-results-will-provide-answers-in-Zahra-Baker-case-111000499.html)


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Post by: sassifrass on November 30, 2010, 12:23:42 PM
Search warrants in Zahra Baker case to be released

CHARLOTTE -- Search warrants in the Zahra Baker case may be released Tuesday. They were initially sealed for the investigation but could be made public, according to attorneys representing News 14 Carolina and other media outlets.

The documents were sealed for 30 days, which expired monday. But the Hickory Police Department requested an extension to seal the warrants until its investigation is complete.

Meanwhile, the Baker family scheduled a memorial service for Thursday night for Zahra. The 10-year-old was reported missing Oct. 9. Police recovered a bone and the gel cover to her prosthetic leg.

No one has been charged in her death.


http://charlotte.news14.com/content/top_stories/633403/search-warrants-in-zahra-baker-to-be-released (http://charlotte.news14.com/content/top_stories/633403/search-warrants-in-zahra-baker-to-be-released)


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: bananas on November 30, 2010, 12:26:06 PM
Took a break from this for a while.....  was really getting me down.  I see nothing new really.  I was hoping to come back and see AB had been arrested.  My fear is they won't find the evidence they need to lock him up.

PLEASE!  Justice for Zahra!

 ::MonkeyJustice::
Bananas~ I really think he will be charged along with EB. No way they lived in a 900 sq. ft. house and he wasn't aware of what's going on. He's been reportedly playing on IMVU all  while which tells me that the blood and gore and thoughts of her being dismembered are nothing to worry with . He and his mother (who acts exactly like CA) never talk about that final act of indignity, most non guilty people would be devestated, not them. She spends her time on FB defending him, not being outraged about Zahra, something's not right. I think he'll go down for this.  Maybe his gothbride really was telling the truth in her letters, self serving yes, but maybe a lot of truth in there.

Mizjay.... I hope you are right. I know there is no way he didn't know what was going on as well.  The only way he couldn't have known is if he was completely unconscious all that time!  Does he really think he has people fooled?  Maybe h has his mum fooled.... but she has her head stuck in the sand.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: mizjay on November 30, 2010, 12:37:00 PM
Took a break from this for a while.....  was really getting me down.  I see nothing new really.  I was hoping to come back and see AB had been arrested.  My fear is they won't find the evidence they need to lock him up.

PLEASE!  Justice for Zahra!

 ::MonkeyJustice::
Bananas~ I really think he will be charged along with EB. No way they lived in a 900 sq. ft. house and he wasn't aware of what's going on. He's been reportedly playing on IMVU all  while which tells me that the blood and gore and thoughts of her being dismembered are nothing to worry with . He and his mother (who acts exactly like CA) never talk about that final act of indignity, most non guilty people would be devestated, not them. She spends her time on FB defending him, not being outraged about Zahra, something's not right. I think he'll go down for this.  Maybe his gothbride really was telling the truth in her letters, self serving yes, but maybe a lot of truth in there.

Mizjay.... I hope you are right. I know there is no way he didn't know what was going on as well.  The only way he couldn't have known is if he was completely unconscious all that time!  Does he really think he has people fooled?  Maybe h has his mum fooled.... but she has her head stuck in the sand.

Mommy Baker may have had advance knowledge of when Zahra was "missing". According to one of her rants on FB  she claimed she couldn't or wouldn't talk to Zahra's mother because that was the day she found out about Z being missing but that seems to be an earlier date than the fire/"abduction".....all loose gab with no links but....curious nontheless.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: 4 Donks on November 30, 2010, 12:58:08 PM
Wishful thinking but I hope KB gets arrested when she sets foot on Australian soil for interfering in custody and not reporting fraud with Z's passport. ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: mizjay on November 30, 2010, 01:27:18 PM
Wishful thinking but I hope KB gets arrested when she sets foot on Australian soil for interfering in custody and not reporting fraud with Z's passport. ::MonkeyMad::

4Donks~ I'd be happy if she just had to go home. Period. Sonny in jail..Go Home and get on her hands and knees and pray for all that her grandchild suffered because of them. I hope soon....


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Tolerance on November 30, 2010, 03:10:26 PM
AB being comforted by his mother is in such stark contrast to the LACK of any comfort his daughter was afforded.
It makes me furious.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: bananas on November 30, 2010, 03:40:29 PM
AB being comforted by his mother is in such stark contrast to the LACK of any comfort his daughter was afforded.
It makes me furious.

I agree with you Tolerance.... and I am not at all tolerant of this!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: pink angel on November 30, 2010, 04:33:53 PM
Zahra Baker search warrants being unsealed now. Story coming up@wcnctv.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on November 30, 2010, 04:35:03 PM
Zahra Baker search warrants being unsealed now. Story coming up@wcnctv.
Oh wow, thank-you, I thought they weren't going to unseal them  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: pink angel on November 30, 2010, 04:48:01 PM
The memorial service for 10-year-old Zahra Baker has been moved to a later date and will be a private service. Drum Funeral Home announced the changes on Tuesday and said Zahra’s family decided to make the changes.

There will be an opportunity for visitors to stop by Drum Funeral Home on in Hickory to sign the register book and view a memorial tribute of Zahra on Thursday evening, Dec. 2 from 5 p.m. until 7 p.m. and on Friday, Dec. 3 from 1 p.m. until 4 p.m.

http://www.wcnc.com/news/zahra-baker/Service-for-Zahra-Baker-changed-to-later-date-111073014.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: mizjay on November 30, 2010, 04:50:09 PM
The memorial service for 10-year-old Zahra Baker has been moved to a later date and will be a private service. Drum Funeral Home announced the changes on Tuesday and said Zahra’s family decided to make the changes.

There will be an opportunity for visitors to stop by Drum Funeral Home on in Hickory to sign the register book and view a memorial tribute of Zahra on Thursday evening, Dec. 2 from 5 p.m. until 7 p.m. and on Friday, Dec. 3 from 1 p.m. until 4 p.m.

http://www.wcnc.com/news/zahra-baker/Service-for-Zahra-Baker-changed-to-later-date-111073014.html

Good. They should have done that to begin with.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: pfaubush on November 30, 2010, 05:04:20 PM
Zahra Baker search warrants being unsealed now. Story coming up@wcnctv.

I went to their site and can't find anything saying this. Did you get this from local broadcast or the net?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: pink angel on November 30, 2010, 05:06:42 PM
Polygraph showed EB deceptive when asked did you hurt Zahra? and do you know if someone harmed her? on a poly.
http://twitter.com/shelleyclynch


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: pink angel on November 30, 2010, 05:08:31 PM
Zahra Baker search warrants being unsealed now. Story coming up@wcnctv.

I went to their site and can't find anything saying this. Did you get this from local broadcast or the net?

twitter. they (all the stations are just getting the info and using it on their 5 pm broadcast. More will posted soon, I am sure.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: pink angel on November 30, 2010, 05:11:11 PM
Search warrants in the investigation into Zahra Baker’s disappearance and death have been made public. Eyewitness News reporter Dave Faherty is going through the documents, which are hundreds of pages long, now.

The District Attorney’s Office filed a motion Monday to keep the documents from becoming public just as they were about to be unsealed. Unsealing the warrants would undermine or jeopardize the state’s right to prosecute a defendant, the motion claimed.

Despite that, the documents were unsealed Tuesday.

There are a total of 11 search warrants in the case. Several are related to searches done at the Bakers’ Hickory home, which was left with holes in the walls, floors and ceilings after investigators scoured it for evidence. Other warrants involved information from the Facebook and MySpace accounts of Zahra Baker’s stepmother, Elisa Baker.
http://www.wsoctv.com/news/25950739/detail.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Nightowl on November 30, 2010, 05:20:57 PM
Hi Monkeys, could anyone explain the legalities of the release of the search warrants as to how it might jeopardise the case, for me please?  I'd hate to think this might happen and that it would hurt the prosecutions case.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: pink angel on November 30, 2010, 05:29:33 PM
Ten-year-old Zahra Baker's body was dismembered and her remains concealed in a bed comforter and car cover, then discarded in a Dumpster behind a Hudson grocery store, according to court documents released this afternoon.

The records don't reveal how the girl died but detail for the first time Elisa Baker's account of what was done with her stepdaughter Zahra's body.

Judge Nathaniel Poovey ordered that the previously-sealed documents be released this afternoon.

The documents also show:

-- Elisa Baker's attorney, Lisa Dubs, told an investigator that latex gloves were used while Zahra's body was dismembered. Dubs also said investigators might find remains in the bathtub drain.

-- Through her attorney, Elisa Baker said she and her husband Adam Baker -- Zahra's father -- dumped a mattress and box springs at a trash dump in Granite Falls.

-- Elisa Baker directed investigators to the Fox Ridge apartments in Hickory. Through her attorney, she admitted that she and Adam Baker wrapped Zahra's prosthetic leg in a white trash bag and threw it in the apartment Dumpster.

-- On Oct. 10, a dog trained in recovery of bodies gave a positive alert for the presence of human remains in or on two vehicles described by police as belonging to the family.


Read more: http://www.newsobserver.com/2010/11/30/835126/stepmother-zahra-bakers-body-dismembered.html#ixzz16o7locdk


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: sadheart on November 30, 2010, 05:31:16 PM
The thought of them possibly taking that child apart in the bathtub makes me sick....they should be taken apart...alive.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: pink angel on November 30, 2010, 05:32:43 PM
There are a total of 11 search warrants, consisting of about 100 pages, in the case. In one, police said they received conflicting information from Elisa Baker and Adam Baker, Zahra’s father, at the beginning of the investigation. Elisa Baker said the family went to an Octoberfest celebration the night before Zahra was reported missing, but Adam Baker said he hadn’t seen his daughter since the Wednesday before that.

The warrants also say that key evidence was disposed of in dumpsters in the Hickory and Granite Falls areas, and that searchers went through the Bakers’ Hickory home in search of bags that were possible used to dispose of the girl’s body.

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/25950739/detail.html



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Curly on November 30, 2010, 05:34:38 PM

http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/article/2010/11/30/188601_news.html

Ok. Now I've heard it all. These 2 lowlifes will be under police protection?
This is unbelievable. Who's paying for that protection? The public?
They're going to need a swat team to protect those 2 maniacs.
If anyone has half a brain, they'll follow them home and let everyone know where they live.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Nightowl on November 30, 2010, 05:44:45 PM
http://www.observernewsonline.com/conte ... baker-case

Court opens search warrants in Baker case

Catawba County Superior Court Judge Nathan Poovey on Tuesday allowed access to search warrants related to a murder investigation that started when 10-year-old Zahra Baker was reported missing on Oct. 9. The 11 warrants, totaling more than 100 pages reveal that Zahra's step-mother, Elisa Baker, responded deceptively during a police polygraph test, and that she detailed how the young Cancer survivor was dismembered inside a Hickory house.
Court files had previously been sealed, and on Monday prosecutors attempted to keep the confidentiality of the warrants and the case intact. Poovey ruled, however, that the district attorney's office for the 25th Prosecutorial District neither filed a motion to keep the warrants sealed nor was prepared to defend that motion in a timely manner.

Details from the warrants reveal police investigations surrounding Zahra's apparent murder, including information related to evidence of human remains seized from plumbing in the Bakers' Hickory home on 21st Avenue NW.

Warrants also detail investigators' suspicion that Zahra was possibly raped by two men prior to her disappearance.

Be sure to see Wednesday's edition of The ******* News Enterprise for information revealed in search warrants opened Tuesday, as well details on Poovey's order to allow public access to the court documents

Oh Dear God!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on November 30, 2010, 05:46:03 PM
Ten-year-old Zahra Baker's body was dismembered and her remains concealed in a bed comforter and car cover, then discarded in a Dumpster behind a Hudson grocery store, according to court documents released this afternoon.  ::MonkeyNoNo::  I don't know what to say. Then what in the world did the police dig up in that hole in the woods? Tools that were used?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on November 30, 2010, 05:49:04 PM
http://www.observernewsonline.com/conte ... baker-case

Court opens search warrants in Baker case

Catawba County Superior Court Judge Nathan Poovey on Tuesday allowed access to search warrants related to a murder investigation that started when 10-year-old Zahra Baker was reported missing on Oct. 9. The 11 warrants, totaling more than 100 pages reveal that Zahra's step-mother, Elisa Baker, responded deceptively during a police polygraph test, and that she detailed how the young Cancer survivor was dismembered inside a Hickory house.
Court files had previously been sealed, and on Monday prosecutors attempted to keep the confidentiality of the warrants and the case intact. Poovey ruled, however, that the district attorney's office for the 25th Prosecutorial District neither filed a motion to keep the warrants sealed nor was prepared to defend that motion in a timely manner.

Details from the warrants reveal police investigations surrounding Zahra's apparent murder, including information related to evidence of human remains seized from plumbing in the Bakers' Hickory home on 21st Avenue NW.

Warrants also detail investigators' suspicion that Zahra was possibly raped by two men prior to her disappearance.

Be sure to see Wednesday's edition of The ******* News Enterprise for information revealed in search warrants opened Tuesday, as well details on Poovey's order to allow public access to the court documents

Oh Dear God!

I just felt it, I just knew that poor little child had been sexually assaulted. That man that gave Elisa all that money, I was suspicious if perhaps there were pictures of her, bad pictures of her being sent to perhaps this man and others. Special place in Hell is all reserved for these two vicious monsters.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: pink angel on November 30, 2010, 05:49:23 PM
According to the documents, the Burke County Sheriff’s Office investigated a claim that Zahra Baker had been taken to a house in Burke County and raped by two men there in mid-October. According to the search warrants one of the men had a relationship with Elisa Baker.

http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Search-warrants-in-Zahra-Baker-case-unsealed-111070214.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: pink angel on November 30, 2010, 05:50:53 PM
Ten-year-old Zahra Baker's body was dismembered and her remains concealed in a bed comforter and car cover, then discarded in a Dumpster behind a Hudson grocery store, according to court documents released this afternoon.  ::MonkeyNoNo::  I don't know what to say. Then what in the world did the police dig up in that hole in the woods? Tools that were used?

She told half truths. She was discarded in the dumpster. 
Probably further investigation and talking got the info on where they dumped her in the woods.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on November 30, 2010, 05:52:27 PM
According to the documents, the Burke County Sheriff’s Office investigated a claim that Zahra Baker had been taken to a house in Burke County and raped by two men there in mid-October. According to the search warrants one of the men had a relationship with Elisa Baker.

http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Search-warrants-in-Zahra-Baker-case-unsealed-111070214.html
And I'm going to bet money changed hands. I'm physically ill from reading this. Thankfully Zahra is at peace  ::MonkeyAngel:: Prayers for Zahra's mom   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on November 30, 2010, 05:53:20 PM
Ten-year-old Zahra Baker's body was dismembered and her remains concealed in a bed comforter and car cover, then discarded in a Dumpster behind a Hudson grocery store, according to court documents released this afternoon.  ::MonkeyNoNo::  I don't know what to say. Then what in the world did the police dig up in that hole in the woods? Tools that were used?

She told half truths. She was discarded in the dumpster. 
Probably further investigation and talking got the info on where they dumped her in the woods.
I'm so upset that I'm confused. Are you saying part of Zahra was in the dump and part of Zahra was buried?  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: pink angel on November 30, 2010, 05:56:14 PM
Ten-year-old Zahra Baker's body was dismembered and her remains concealed in a bed comforter and car cover, then discarded in a Dumpster behind a Hudson grocery store, according to court documents released this afternoon.  ::MonkeyNoNo::  I don't know what to say. Then what in the world did the police dig up in that hole in the woods? Tools that were used?

She told half truths. She was discarded in the dumpster. 
Probably further investigation and talking got the info on where they dumped her in the woods.
I'm so upset that I'm confused. Are you saying part of Zahra was in the dump and part of Zahra was buried?  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Or just was just buried. The 'dumpster' part was the lie in the "halftruth" she gave initially.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: pink angel on November 30, 2010, 05:57:37 PM
According to the documents, the Burke County Sheriff’s Office investigated a claim that Zahra Baker had been taken to a house in Burke County and raped by two men there in mid-October. According to the search warrants one of the men had a relationship with Elisa Baker.

http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Search-warrants-in-Zahra-Baker-case-unsealed-111070214.html
And I'm going to bet money changed hands. I'm physically ill from reading this. Thankfully Zahra is at peace  ::MonkeyAngel:: Prayers for Zahra's mom   ::MonkeyAngel::

You and me both! It just keeps getting worse and worse. :(

The mid-October must be a typo. I am betting it was mid-September.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Missiontoconvict on November 30, 2010, 05:57:51 PM
http://www.observernewsonline.com/conte ... baker-case

Court opens search warrants in Baker case

Catawba County Superior Court Judge Nathan Poovey on Tuesday allowed access to search warrants related to a murder investigation that started when 10-year-old Zahra Baker was reported missing on Oct. 9. The 11 warrants, totaling more than 100 pages reveal that Zahra's step-mother, Elisa Baker, responded deceptively during a police polygraph test, and that she detailed how the young Cancer survivor was dismembered inside a Hickory house.
Court files had previously been sealed, and on Monday prosecutors attempted to keep the confidentiality of the warrants and the case intact. Poovey ruled, however, that the district attorney's office for the 25th Prosecutorial District neither filed a motion to keep the warrants sealed nor was prepared to defend that motion in a timely manner.

Details from the warrants reveal police investigations surrounding Zahra's apparent murder, including information related to evidence of human remains seized from plumbing in the Bakers' Hickory home on 21st Avenue NW.

Warrants also detail investigators' suspicion that Zahra was possibly raped by two men prior to her disappearance.

Be sure to see Wednesday's edition of The ******* News Enterprise for information revealed in search warrants opened Tuesday, as well details on Poovey's order to allow public access to the court documents

Oh Dear God!

I just felt it, I just knew that poor little child had been sexually assaulted. That man that gave Elisa all that money, I was suspicious if perhaps there were pictures of her, bad pictures of her being sent to perhaps this man and others. Special place in Hell is all reserved for these two vicious monsters.
You and me both NoRose.  I cannot even begin to find the words right now, but I can say that I hope the Bakers both get the death penalty and if not that someone will take them out in prison, they are not worthy of the air they breathe ::MonkeyTears::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on November 30, 2010, 05:58:45 PM
According to the documents, the Burke County Sheriff’s Office investigated a claim that Zahra Baker had been taken to a house in Burke County and raped by two men there in mid-October. According to the search warrants one of the men had a relationship with Elisa Baker.

http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Search-warrants-in-Zahra-Baker-case-unsealed-111070214.html
And I'm going to bet money changed hands. I'm physically ill from reading this. Thankfully Zahra is at peace  ::MonkeyAngel:: Prayers for Zahra's mom   ::MonkeyAngel::

You and me both! It just keeps getting worse and worse. :(

The mid-October must be a typo. I am betting it was mid-September.
Yes you must be right, thank-you for explaining the dumpster info for me  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on November 30, 2010, 05:59:56 PM
http://www.observernewsonline.com/conte ... baker-case

Court opens search warrants in Baker case

Catawba County Superior Court Judge Nathan Poovey on Tuesday allowed access to search warrants related to a murder investigation that started when 10-year-old Zahra Baker was reported missing on Oct. 9. The 11 warrants, totaling more than 100 pages reveal that Zahra's step-mother, Elisa Baker, responded deceptively during a police polygraph test, and that she detailed how the young Cancer survivor was dismembered inside a Hickory house.
Court files had previously been sealed, and on Monday prosecutors attempted to keep the confidentiality of the warrants and the case intact. Poovey ruled, however, that the district attorney's office for the 25th Prosecutorial District neither filed a motion to keep the warrants sealed nor was prepared to defend that motion in a timely manner.

Details from the warrants reveal police investigations surrounding Zahra's apparent murder, including information related to evidence of human remains seized from plumbing in the Bakers' Hickory home on 21st Avenue NW.

Warrants also detail investigators' suspicion that Zahra was possibly raped by two men prior to her disappearance.

Be sure to see Wednesday's edition of The ******* News Enterprise for information revealed in search warrants opened Tuesday, as well details on Poovey's order to allow public access to the court documents

Oh Dear God!

I just felt it, I just knew that poor little child had been sexually assaulted. That man that gave Elisa all that money, I was suspicious if perhaps there were pictures of her, bad pictures of her being sent to perhaps this man and others. Special place in Hell is all reserved for these two vicious monsters.
You and me both NoRose.  I cannot even begin to find the words right now, but I can say that I hope the Bakers both get the death penalty and if not that someone will take them out in prison, they are not worthy of the air they breathe ::MonkeyTears::
You are so right. And nobody is going to tell me that the man she called dad didn't know about this  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on November 30, 2010, 06:03:09 PM

http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/article/2010/11/30/188601_news.html

Ok. Now I've heard it all. These 2 lowlifes will be under police protection?
This is unbelievable. Who's paying for that protection? The public?
They're going to need a swat team to protect those 2 maniacs.
If anyone has half a brain, they'll follow them home and let everyone know where they live.


From link....
But we needed to do something, to try to move on a little bit we wanted a celebration of her life, a chance to remember the fun times, not so much the tears that have happened since she went missing."

Move on?What in the he!! do they mean saying that?
Death is too good for this whole bunch.
Absolutely disgusting.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on November 30, 2010, 06:08:32 PM
 ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears::  Words completely fail me...the sadness and the anger are so intertwined.......such EVIL is chilling. RIP Zahra


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Nightowl on November 30, 2010, 06:09:09 PM
That poor, sweet innocent little child.  What she endured during her short life is just so tragic.  I feel sick to my stomach, the death penalty is too good for whoever is responsible for this. 





Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: pink angel on November 30, 2010, 06:09:31 PM
The documents don't reveal how the girl died, but they suggest that acquaintances of Zahra's stepmother may have played a role in the girl's death. The records detail for the first time Elisa Baker's account of what was done with Zahra's body, and offer a glimpse of evidence police have uncovered.

In a statement to police, a source relays information that two men may have raped Zahra. When asked if they killed her, the source said "they might have hit her in the head."

The documents do not explain that, if someone else killed the girl, why the Bakers would conceal her death.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/11/30/1877305/stepmother-zahra-bakers-body-dismembered.html#ixzz16oGc2tPJ



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Brandi on November 30, 2010, 06:10:11 PM
According to the documents, the Burke County Sheriff’s Office investigated a claim that Zahra Baker had been taken to a house in Burke County and raped by two men there in mid-October. According to the search warrants one of the men had a relationship with Elisa Baker.

http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Search-warrants-in-Zahra-Baker-case-unsealed-111070214.html
And I'm going to bet money changed hands. I'm physically ill from reading this. Thankfully Zahra is at peace  ::MonkeyAngel:: Prayers for Zahra's mom   ::MonkeyAngel::

You and me both! It just keeps getting worse and worse. :(

The mid-October must be a typo. I am betting it was mid-September.

Me too.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Nightowl on November 30, 2010, 06:16:09 PM
The documents don't reveal how the girl died, but they suggest that acquaintances of Zahra's stepmother may have played a role in the girl's death. The records detail for the first time Elisa Baker's account of what was done with Zahra's body, and offer a glimpse of evidence police have uncovered.

In a statement to police, a source relays information that two men may have raped Zahra. When asked if they killed her, the source said "they might have hit her in the head."

The documents do not explain that, if someone else killed the girl, why the Bakers would conceal her death.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/11/30/1877305/stepmother-zahra-bakers-body-dismembered.html#ixzz16oGc2tPJ



This would explain EB's quote "we didn't really kill her".  In her sick mind she doesn't think they were responsible, just because she pimped her out to men to be raped but but she wasn't the one who actually killed her.......I am livid!  ::MonkeyMad:: 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on November 30, 2010, 06:18:06 PM
The documents don't reveal how the girl died, but they suggest that acquaintances of Zahra's stepmother may have played a role in the girl's death. The records detail for the first time Elisa Baker's account of what was done with Zahra's body, and offer a glimpse of evidence police have uncovered.

In a statement to police, a source relays information that two men may have raped Zahra. When asked if they killed her, the source said "they might have hit her in the head."

The documents do not explain that, if someone else killed the girl, why the Bakers would conceal her death.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/11/30/1877305/stepmother-zahra-bakers-body-dismembered.html#ixzz16oGc2tPJ


OMG  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on November 30, 2010, 06:19:13 PM
The documents don't reveal how the girl died, but they suggest that acquaintances of Zahra's stepmother may have played a role in the girl's death. The records detail for the first time Elisa Baker's account of what was done with Zahra's body, and offer a glimpse of evidence police have uncovered.

In a statement to police, a source relays information that two men may have raped Zahra. When asked if they killed her, the source said "they might have hit her in the head."

The documents do not explain that, if someone else killed the girl, why the Bakers would conceal her death.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/11/30/1877305/stepmother-zahra-bakers-body-dismembered.html#ixzz16oGc2tPJ



This would explain EB's quote "we didn't really kill her".  In her sick mind she doesn't think they were responsible, just because she pimped her out to men to be raped but but she wasn't the one who actually killed her.......I am livid!  ::MonkeyMad:: 
Now what I want to know is if Adam was involved with pimping Zahra also.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Green Eyes on November 30, 2010, 06:22:48 PM
RIP Zahra   ::MonkeyAngel:: There is nothing they could do to these two POS. May they Rot in He77. I knew it was bad but reading the documents makes it worse for me.  ::MonkeyTears:: There is no way that the POS sperm donor didn't know and help with Zahra's death and dismemberment. May justice be swift for Zahra and if the community takes them out so be it.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: pink angel on November 30, 2010, 06:23:20 PM
Investigators searched a home in Hildebran after receiving information from an informant that 10-year-old Zahra may have been raped there, according to the warrants. The documents allege that two men raped the girl and that one of those men had a relationship with Elisa Baker, Zahra’s stepmother.
Sheriff investigators in Burke County found a mattress with a dark stain on it lying on the ground at the home, which is located on County Line Road, the warrants say. They then turned that information over to Hickory police.

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/25950739/detail.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Brandi on November 30, 2010, 06:26:20 PM
Warrants reveal possible sexual assault in Baker case
By: Jennifer Moxley
NEWTON, N.C. – Police are investigating a possible sexual assault in the Zahra Baker case, according to a 122-page search warrant released Tuesday afternoon. The documents weresealed for 30 days but the deadline passed Monday.

The warrants detail information Zahra's stepmother, Elisa Baker, provided to police. She told investigators where they would find Zahra's prosthetic leg and a mattress she and Zahra's father, Adam Baker, disposed of.

The documents list evidence found at the Bakers' Hickory home, including Zahra's hearing aids, which were found in Elisa's jewelry box. Elisa also told police where they would find gloves and bags related to the dismemberment of Zahra's body.

The warrants also uncover conflicting reports about when Adam Baker last saw his daughter. In the documents, he told police he saw last her Wednesday, Oct. 6, but in a call to 911, he said he and Elisa, saw the girl Saturday, Oct. 9.

The family was planning a memorial service for Zahra on Thursday night but decided to make that a private event at a later date. People can still sign a register for Zahra at the Drum Funeral Home from 5 p.m. to 7 p.m. Thursday night.
http://charlotte.news14.com/content/top_stories/633403/warrants-reveal-possible-sexual-assault-in-baker-case


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on November 30, 2010, 06:32:51 PM
Two men raped Zahra, and may have hit her over the head. I'm really trying to digest this, and trying to figure out if that is true, why did they do that, did they kill her when they hit her over the head? I'm not going to say what is on my mind, but I will say part of it, wonder if this all was being recorded?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on November 30, 2010, 06:33:40 PM
I am sickened. This is way worse than my imagination took me.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on November 30, 2010, 06:34:43 PM
Who are these two men ? Any clues? 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Nightowl on November 30, 2010, 06:36:42 PM
What if Zahra didn't die at the house where she was assaulted but instead, EB took her home to the house she shared with AB, she would have been in a very bad way but they couldn't take her to a Dr to get medical help for her, so she was just left in her room where she eventually died?  (I hated typing that)

The big question is how much involvement did AB have in all of this, did he know about the pimping and assualt, did he see his daughter when EB brought her home injured and did he help with the disposal of his daughter? And how do the LE prove his involvement in all of this, they must not be taking EB's word that he was involved.  This is all summation on my part, hope I don't offend anyone.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: pink angel on November 30, 2010, 06:37:32 PM
Her password was 666 on her myspace account. Unfreakin real!
http://www.wsoctv.com/video/25964570/index.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: statru on November 30, 2010, 06:43:55 PM
According to the documents, the Burke County Sheriff’s Office investigated a claim that Zahra Baker had been taken to a house in Burke County and raped by two men there in mid-October. According to the search warrants one of the men had a relationship with Elisa Baker.

http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Search-warrants-in-Zahra-Baker-case-unsealed-111070214.html


This is what I referring to in one of my way earlier posts in another thread...rumor has it the child was being prostituted out by the scum she lived with.
I knew it was only a matter of time before it came out. That is why I think they dismembered her..to cover evidence of what they were doing.
That poor baby. :(


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: statru on November 30, 2010, 06:48:47 PM
The outrage here is about to go through the roof, I can say that for a fact. Nothing like this has ever happened here that I know of, and the community won't tolerate this well at all.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on November 30, 2010, 06:49:02 PM
According to the documents, the Burke County Sheriff’s Office investigated a claim that Zahra Baker had been taken to a house in Burke County and raped by two men there in mid-October. According to the search warrants one of the men had a relationship with Elisa Baker.

http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Search-warrants-in-Zahra-Baker-case-unsealed-111070214.html


This is what I referring to in one of my way earlier posts in another thread...rumor has it the child was being prostituted out by the scum she lived with.
I knew it was only a matter of time before it came out. That is why I think they dismembered her..to cover evidence of what they were doing.
That poor baby. :(
There are no words, hate to even wonder for how long that had been happening to Zahra.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: NCMike on November 30, 2010, 06:50:57 PM
Does anyone have a link to these documents?  Do they give the address and or names of the two men in Burke County?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Tolerance on November 30, 2010, 06:51:07 PM
Sister,
I really need one of your prayers, please.
Zahra rest in your Father's Arms and feel His Heart beating with pure love for you and all His children.
Tol


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on November 30, 2010, 06:51:52 PM
Does anyone have a link to these documents?  Do they give the address and or names of the two men in Burke County?
I was wondering also where the link to the documents are.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Curly on November 30, 2010, 06:52:18 PM
I hope this is enough to arrest Pillsbury dough boy Adam.
This is terrifyingly horrific.

I must be blind again because I don't see the documents.
KB better run for her useless life.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on November 30, 2010, 06:54:22 PM
I hope this is enough to arrest Pillsbury dough boy Adam.
This is terrifyingly horrific.

I must be blind again because I don't see the documents.
KB better run for her useless life.
And what about the two men? Where are they? Are they in jail?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Curly on November 30, 2010, 06:55:39 PM
There's no mention of that yet, No Rose.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: statru on November 30, 2010, 06:56:19 PM
I hope this is enough to arrest Pillsbury dough boy Adam.
This is terrifyingly horrific.

I must be blind again because I don't see the documents.
KB better run for her useless life.
And what about the two men? Where are they? Are they in jail?


I havent seen those names released yet, but somebody in Burke county finds out who it is and gets hold of those boys, the police wont need to bother.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on November 30, 2010, 06:57:28 PM
There's no mention of that yet, No Rose.

Thank-you


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Curly on November 30, 2010, 06:57:37 PM
The outrage here is about to go through the roof, I can say that for a fact. Nothing like this has ever happened here that I know of, and the community won't tolerate this well at all.

Are u hearing anything about any arrests, statru?
They ought to put a stake through their hearts.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on November 30, 2010, 06:58:27 PM
I hope this is enough to arrest Pillsbury dough boy Adam.
This is terrifyingly horrific.

I must be blind again because I don't see the documents.
KB better run for her useless life.
And what about the two men? Where are they? Are they in jail?


I havent seen those names released yet, but somebody in Burke county finds out who it is and gets hold of those boys, the police wont need to bother.
And it is kind of hard to believe that someone hasn't put two and two together yet.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: pink angel on November 30, 2010, 06:58:56 PM
I hope this is enough to arrest Pillsbury dough boy Adam.
This is terrifyingly horrific.

I must be blind again because I don't see the documents.
KB better run for her useless life.
And what about the two men? Where are they? Are they in jail?

They were just released this afternoon to the media. I imagine they will hang onto them a day or two for headlines/soundbites before posting them online. JMO

The info about the rape came from an informant. Doesn't mean it is true. Just that the information was used as probable cause to help obtain a search warrant. I am sure police checked it out and are investigating if it is truthful information.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Curly on November 30, 2010, 06:59:09 PM
I agree,No Rose.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: statru on November 30, 2010, 07:02:28 PM
The outrage here is about to go through the roof, I can say that for a fact. Nothing like this has ever happened here that I know of, and the community won't tolerate this well at all.

Are u hearing anything about any arrests, statru?
They ought to put a stake through their hearts.


Havent heard a word about arrests yet.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Samantha on November 30, 2010, 07:02:46 PM
Does anyone have a link to these documents?  Do they give the address and or names of the two men in Burke County?

pink angel quoted an article (about 10 posts up) that gave a street for where the police found a mattress with a stain.. They didn't mention the tests were positive..

County Line Road, Hildebran, Burke County

<snip>
Investigators searched a home in Hildebran after receiving information from an informant that 10-year-old Zahra may have been raped there, according to the warrants. The documents allege that two men raped the girl and that one of those men had a relationship with Elisa Baker, Zahra’s stepmother.
Sheriff investigators in Burke County found a mattress with a dark stain on it lying on the ground at the home, which is located on County Line Road, the warrants say. They then turned that information over to Hickory police.

<snip>
http://www.wsoctv.com/news/25950739/detail.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: NCMike on November 30, 2010, 07:02:56 PM
I hope this is enough to arrest Pillsbury dough boy Adam.
This is terrifyingly horrific.

I must be blind again because I don't see the documents.
KB better run for her useless life.
And what about the two men? Where are they? Are they in jail?



I havent seen those names released yet, but somebody in Burke county finds out who it is and gets hold of those boys, the police wont need to bother.

Those Burke county boys don't play.......!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Brandi on November 30, 2010, 07:03:26 PM
Does anyone have a link to these documents?  Do they give the address and or names of the two men in Burke County?

No one has released these docs to the public, afaik.

Good to see you Mike.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Brandi on November 30, 2010, 07:04:10 PM
I hope this is enough to arrest Pillsbury dough boy Adam.
This is terrifyingly horrific.

I must be blind again because I don't see the documents.
KB better run for her useless life.
And what about the two men? Where are they? Are they in jail?

It was reported that one of the men was a friend of Elisa's.

 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: statru on November 30, 2010, 07:04:40 PM
I hope this is enough to arrest Pillsbury dough boy Adam.
This is terrifyingly horrific.

I must be blind again because I don't see the documents.
KB better run for her useless life.
And what about the two men? Where are they? Are they in jail?

They were just released this afternoon to the media. I imagine they will hang onto them a day or two for headlines/soundbites before posting them online. JMO

The info about the rape came from an informant. Doesn't mean it is true. Just that the information was used as probable cause to help obtain a search warrant. I am sure police checked it out and are investigating if it is truthful information.

I would hope its not true, but it has been being said for several weeks now.

I would say that is why they have been closed mouthed about updates lately.
They knew this was going to throw gas on a fire.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: statru on November 30, 2010, 07:05:43 PM

Those Burke county boys don't play.......!

No they dont, I bet they all have a shotgun ready


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: nicubird on November 30, 2010, 07:09:18 PM
The outrage here is about to go through the roof, I can say that for a fact. Nothing like this has ever happened here that I know of, and the community won't tolerate this well at all.

Are u hearing anything about any arrests, statru?
They ought to put a stake through their hearts.

A local posting over at Hinky knew about this rumor and posted the information at the end of October. It seemed outrageous at the time. One of the alleged rapists was reported to have been arrested around 10/26. The sheriff's deputy that leaked the information was off duty Monday and Tuesday and when he returned to work that Wednesday found out about the arrest. When the local originally reported this information she didn't report it as having happened in Burke county (I suppose to protect the identity of the source?). People were searching the jail rosters of 2 other counties for arrests around that date, I saw no reports of searching Burke County rosters, and I haven't found a way to do so. I do not have a link to the post at Hinky. Val recently changed discussion formats and I'm not sure how to access old discussions. I offer this as unverified information that, in light of recent search warrant disclosures, rings true to me.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: NCMike on November 30, 2010, 07:12:44 PM
I hope this is enough to arrest Pillsbury dough boy Adam.
This is terrifyingly horrific.

I must be blind again because I don't see the documents.
KB better run for her useless life.
And what about the two men? Where are they? Are they in jail?

They were just released this afternoon to the media. I imagine they will hang onto them a day or two for headlines/soundbites before posting them online. JMO

The info about the rape came from an informant. Doesn't mean it is true. Just that the information was used as probable cause to help obtain a search warrant. I am sure police checked it out and are investigating if it is truthful information.

I would hope its not true, but it has been being said for several weeks now.

I would say that is why they have been closed mouthed about updates lately.
They knew this was going to throw gas on a fire.

This version has been going around for a few weeks that I know of, although I tried not to give it to much weight.  Locals have a tendency to know or at least put two and two together in hindsight.  If true, these bastards better hope they are arrested cause there is A LOT of hatred already towards AB, and this is the type of fuel that might cause someone to do something stupid.



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: pink angel on November 30, 2010, 07:12:58 PM
The outrage here is about to go through the roof, I can say that for a fact. Nothing like this has ever happened here that I know of, and the community won't tolerate this well at all.

Are u hearing anything about any arrests, statru?
They ought to put a stake through their hearts.

A local posting over at Hinky knew about this rumor and posted the information at the end of October. It seemed outrageous at the time. One of the alleged rapists was reported to have been arrested around 10/26. The sheriff's deputy that leaked the information was off duty Monday and Tuesday and when he returned to work that Wednesday found out about the arrest. When the local originally reported this information she didn't report it as having happened in Burke county (I suppose to protect the identity of the source?). People were searching the jail rosters of 2 other counties for arrests around that date, I saw no reports of searching Burke County rosters, and I haven't found a way to do so. I do not have a link to the post at Hinky. Val recently changed discussion formats and I'm not sure how to access old discussions. I offer this as unverified information that, in light of recent search warrant disclosures, rings true to me.


I doubt arrests have been made and kept quiet. JMO


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: pink angel on November 30, 2010, 07:14:40 PM
Just intw'ed one of two guys tipster said raped #zahra. He says absolutely not.

http://twitter.com/BethShayne


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: mizjay on November 30, 2010, 07:14:53 PM
What if Zahra didn't die at the house where she was assaulted but instead, EB took her home to the house she shared with AB, she would have been in a very bad way but they couldn't take her to a Dr to get medical help for her, so she was just left in her room where she eventually died?  (I hated typing that)

The big question is how much involvement did AB have in all of this, did he know about the pimping and assualt, did he see his daughter when EB brought her home injured and did he help with the disposal of his daughter? And how do the LE prove his involvement in all of this, they must not be taking EB's word that he was involved.  This is all summation on my part, hope I don't offend anyone.
I really think you could be right. The witness that reported the possible rape scenario said that one of them "may have hit her in the head". The docs pretty much prove that she was dismembered in the home. EB brought her back to the house . If she had a concussion she may have lingered, a coma maybe. AB had said she was sick, stomach flu for a while....probably a bit of truth there..sick from being raped and hit..


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: luvmyboys on November 30, 2010, 07:20:23 PM
do you guys think that adam will get arrested??? i just don't understand why he would not get arrested..i mean she is saying she is involved...and also telling on adam..i dk i just know this so sad i can not believe what zahra went through :(


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: NCMike on November 30, 2010, 07:20:55 PM
Just intw'ed one of two guys tipster said raped #zahra. He says absolutely not.

http://twitter.com/BethShayne

Well, what the hell else is he gonna say?!?!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on November 30, 2010, 07:21:14 PM
I hope this is enough to arrest Pillsbury dough boy Adam.
This is terrifyingly horrific.

I must be blind again because I don't see the documents.
KB better run for her useless life.
And what about the two men? Where are they? Are they in jail?

It was reported that one of the men was a friend of Elisa's.

 ::MonkeyEek::
::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on November 30, 2010, 07:21:57 PM
Just intw'ed one of two guys tipster said raped #zahra. He says absolutely not.

http://twitter.com/BethShayne

Well, what the hell else is he gonna say?!?!
Exactly


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: starwynn on November 30, 2010, 07:39:18 PM
According to the documents, the Burke County Sheriff’s Office investigated a claim that Zahra Baker had been taken to a house in Burke County and raped by two men there in mid-October. According to the search warrants one of the men had a relationship with Elisa Baker.

http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Search-warrants-in-Zahra-Baker-case-unsealed-111070214.html


This is what I referring to in one of my way earlier posts in another thread...rumor has it the child was being prostituted out by the scum she lived with.
I knew it was only a matter of time before it came out. That is why I think they dismembered her..to cover evidence of what they were doing.
That poor baby. :(

I am just catching up on all of this, and it's like a nightmare.  i keep hoping that I am going to wake up and realize I was just having a very bad dream, and it just keeps getting worse. 

But that being said, the rumor or prostitution reminds me of one picture that of all the pictures stuck out in my head as "wrong" in some way.  It made me uncomfortable.  It's one where little Zahra has her hair done in a very spikey hair do, looks dressed up, looks posed (in front of a sheet??  Or am I remembering that wrong?) and is absolutely not smiling.  I thought "Wait, what's this about?"  It makes me wonder - that photo, the money from the guy in England, and now these rumors and the mattress that they found....

Alternately, did maybe the stepmonster take Zahra with her to one of her drug and who-knows-what-else with the guys with whom EB had a "relationship" and then things happen non-arranged?  Or maybe a drugged up EB just didn't stop the men?

I'm not really sure I want answers to any of these questions, but I keep wondering what the he77 went on!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: starwynn on November 30, 2010, 07:43:51 PM
What if Zahra didn't die at the house where she was assaulted but instead, EB took her home to the house she shared with AB, she would have been in a very bad way but they couldn't take her to a Dr to get medical help for her, so she was just left in her room where she eventually died?  (I hated typing that)

The big question is how much involvement did AB have in all of this, did he know about the pimping and assualt, did he see his daughter when EB brought her home injured and did he help with the disposal of his daughter? And how do the LE prove his involvement in all of this, they must not be taking EB's word that he was involved.  This is all summation on my part, hope I don't offend anyone.
I really think you could be right. The witness that reported the possible rape scenario said that one of them "may have hit her in the head". The docs pretty much prove that she was dismembered in the home. EB brought her back to the house . If she had a concussion she may have lingered, a coma maybe. AB had said she was sick, stomach flu for a while....probably a bit of truth there..sick from being raped and hit..

Stomach flu makes me wonder if instead she had internal injuries from the rape, if it happened.  Not just the head injuries.  And I can't believe I just typed something so horrible.  But - you hear about it with younger victims....  Jesus please let everything that Zahra went through in life seem like just an instant in time compared to the everlasting happiness that she will now experience in the arms of her Father...


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: statru on November 30, 2010, 07:45:22 PM
I have seen that photo you are talking about and it seemed off to me too. Like a 'mugshot' kind of thing...


http://www.wsoctv.com/news/25950739/detail.html

There is a link to video at this article,


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: cw618 on November 30, 2010, 07:47:43 PM
Just intw'ed one of two guys tipster said raped #zahra. He says absolutely not.

http://twitter.com/BethShayne

Well, what the hell else is he gonna say?!?!
Exactly

when LE found zahra wouldnt they have done a rape kit/test
im thinking someone that has been F over by EB, is prob stirring the pot
and putting those guys/suspects out there for a hard time and a good laugh
and the news is giving us half truths,what a mess, i hope LE can wade
through the crap to get the truth, im hoping none of the stuff that the
media has alluded to is true, JMO


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: statru on November 30, 2010, 07:49:51 PM
Well, depending on how long the body was buried, I dont know that a rape kit would show anything. Plus being dismembered would destroy evidence as well.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: espresso lover on November 30, 2010, 07:58:43 PM
The outrage here is about to go through the roof, I can say that for a fact. Nothing like this has ever happened here that I know of, and the community won't tolerate this well at all.

Are u hearing anything about any arrests, statru?
They ought to put a stake through their hearts.

A local posting over at Hinky knew about this rumor and posted the information at the end of October. It seemed outrageous at the time. One of the alleged rapists was reported to have been arrested around 10/26. The sheriff's deputy that leaked the information was off duty Monday and Tuesday and when he returned to work that Wednesday found out about the arrest. When the local originally reported this information she didn't report it as having happened in Burke county (I suppose to protect the identity of the source?). People were searching the jail rosters of 2 other counties for arrests around that date, I saw no reports of searching Burke County rosters, and I haven't found a way to do so. I do not have a link to the post at Hinky. Val recently changed discussion formats and I'm not sure how to access old discussions. I offer this as unverified information that, in light of recent search warrant disclosures, rings true to me.


http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/11/03/zahra-baker-case-elisa-bakers-disturbing-jailhouse-letters/

gemgem526 says:
November 3, 2010 at 5:50 PM

Local rumor:
From what I have been told, and take it for what its worth at this point (LE rumor mill which is not always much better then local rumor mill) this case is and may be alot like another Shaniya Davis. It explains if the rumor I was told today is true why they needed the mattress with dna evidence, witness interviews (someone has come forward), and I believe there is some truth to Lisa’s letters. They didnt kill her, but they were why she died and disposed of her in an effort to hide what was happening in the home & evidence on the body. It also explains why she was taken out of school, the large amounts of money Lisa said she got from a guy in England (didnt really come from there), and her daughters being terrified of her.

Now bones being found, and Adam doing something horrifying to the body. As for decomp, I would think that because it has been so warm here that would add to decomp. Then if animals got to the remains (gross I know). It is also the south, we have high humidity anyway, wouldnt that also make the body decompose more?

gemgem526 says:
November 3, 2010 at 6:15 PM

The person who told me asked me not to say who told me. He works for law enforcement. Keep in mind just like anywhere else they have “water cooler talk” but he felt this was reliable information he had been given. Reliable enough to share with us, since were monitoring news so my cousins little girl doesnt hear about things at school or from friends. He says there is someone else in custody at this time whose name has not been released and came forward. He was the last one with her. This person came forward Wed or Thurs. I am guessing the DNA would be to confirm what they had suspected might have happened or something Lisa was claiming all along?


gemgem526 says:
November 3, 2010 at 6:23 PM

Actually start looking starting around Wed of last week. The person I know was off work for and came back to this news. I am going to say if they went back to the house and have stated that the information came from another source (Not Lisa or Adam) to go back to the house it was possibly from this person? Remember they were searching Christie road, then stopped and went back to the house?


there is more on the thread but here is the jest of it..hope it helps ???


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Lazydog1 on November 30, 2010, 08:00:02 PM
Did I miss where LE stated the DNA Tests have been completed and the remains belong to Zahra?

It seems that Karen Baker and Adam Baker are totally convinced this is Zahra. How can Adam be so sure if he didn't know where she was disposed at?

I still believe he was involved in the disposal and possibly in the actual murder of this child. How long does a person go without seeing their child they live in the same house with. He had to have known what was going on in that home. They need to put this POS behind bars.

I believe the Mother should be able to receive the remains and bury her precious daughter close to her.

Again I ask this question and my beliefs. If Adam wasn't involved how does he know for sure the remains are in fact Zahra's. He is very quick to have a memorial for his child.

Please arrest this man and send his Mum back to Australia and make them aware there how she supported her POS son. There is nothing that will ever made me believe this man wasn't involved somehow in the dismemberment of this child and throwing her away like yesterday's trash. He is just too calm to have heard these shocking details from LE.

This has made me so sick to my stomach.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: sadheart on November 30, 2010, 08:02:09 PM
Well, depending on how long the body was buried, I dont know that a rape kit would show anything. Plus being dismembered would destroy evidence as well.

I agree, but the mattress could hold all the evidence needed.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: statru on November 30, 2010, 08:02:46 PM
WARRANTS

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/mgmedia/file/51/allegations-zahra-baker-was-raped-burke-county/



http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/mgmedia/file/52/see-warrant-elisa-baker-described-details-dismembe/


http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/mgmedia/file/53/hdrwarrantelisabaker/






Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: mizjay on November 30, 2010, 08:07:02 PM
What if Zahra didn't die at the house where she was assaulted but instead, EB took her home to the house she shared with AB, she would have been in a very bad way but they couldn't take her to a Dr to get medical help for her, so she was just left in her room where she eventually died?  (I hated typing that)

The big question is how much involvement did AB have in all of this, did he know about the pimping and assualt, did he see his daughter when EB brought her home injured and did he help with the disposal of his daughter? And how do the LE prove his involvement in all of this, they must not be taking EB's word that he was involved.  This is all summation on my part, hope I don't offend anyone.
I really think you could be right. The witness that reported the possible rape scenario said that one of them "may have hit her in the head". The docs pretty much prove that she was dismembered in the home. EB brought her back to the house . If she had a concussion she may have lingered, a coma maybe. AB had said she was sick, stomach flu for a while....probably a bit of truth there..sick from being raped and hit..

Stomach flu makes me wonder if instead she had internal injuries from the rape, if it happened.  Not just the head injuries.  And I can't believe I just typed something so horrible.  But - you hear about it with younger victims....  Jesus please let everything that Zahra went through in life seem like just an instant in time compared to the everlasting happiness that she will now experience in the arms of her Father...
Yes, that too maybe, she was only 10 yrs old. Sick and horrid.   i sure hope in addition to Zahra having everlasting happiness, that she gets some everlasting justice and the POS's that have any part are punished to the max.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: cw618 on November 30, 2010, 08:08:01 PM
Well, depending on how long the body was buried, I dont know that a rape kit would show anything. Plus being dismembered would destroy evidence as well.


dang for some reason i was thinking of an intact torso, the news stories are making my head hurt and my stomach sick
im going to go and try to stop thinking about it for awhile
maybe tomorrow LE will arrest someone and zahra will have justice


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: BabsKats on November 30, 2010, 08:09:11 PM
I recalled the mention of the pic w/spiked hair early on, this is all I could find in searching for:

Zahra Clare Baker 10, last seen 2:30am at home, Hickory, NC #1 10/10/10-10/13/10
in Missing Persons - High Profile - Archives


Re: Zahra Clare Baker, 10yrs old, last seen 2:30am at home, Hickory, NC by Brandi
...  October 12, 2010, 08:15:50 PM
NG said Zahra's, bio mom, hasn't seen her since she  ...
...  to the full extend of the law.

for Zahra

Nancy mentioned that the dogs hit on  ...
...  is all so horrific and utterly tragic. Zahra really was an angel. What a little  ...
...  was wearing in the odd do-it-yourself-passport-photo pic of her, from the myspace  ...
... 




Link to picture:
http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/ ...


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: statru on November 30, 2010, 08:10:05 PM
Well, depending on how long the body was buried, I dont know that a rape kit would show anything. Plus being dismembered would destroy evidence as well.

I agree, but the mattress could hold all the evidence needed.


I dont know it that would prove she had been raped...maybe so, I'm no forensics expert...


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 30, 2010, 08:11:36 PM
WARRANTS

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/mgmedia/file/51/allegations-zahra-baker-was-raped-burke-county/



http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/mgmedia/file/52/see-warrant-elisa-baker-described-details-dismembe/


http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/mgmedia/file/53/hdrwarrantelisabaker/







Thanks! The rape allegation warrant:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/ZahraRapedWarrent1.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/ZahraRapedWarrent2.jpg)



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: luvmyboys on November 30, 2010, 08:13:17 PM
Does anyone know where adam baker is staying @  like the address


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Brandi on November 30, 2010, 08:21:29 PM
According to the documents, the Burke County Sheriff’s Office investigated a claim that Zahra Baker had been taken to a house in Burke County and raped by two men there in mid-October. According to the search warrants one of the men had a relationship with Elisa Baker.

http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Search-warrants-in-Zahra-Baker-case-unsealed-111070214.html


This is what I referring to in one of my way earlier posts in another thread...rumor has it the child was being prostituted out by the scum she lived with.
I knew it was only a matter of time before it came out. That is why I think they dismembered her..to cover evidence of what they were doing.
That poor baby. :(

I am just catching up on all of this, and it's like a nightmare.  i keep hoping that I am going to wake up and realize I was just having a very bad dream, and it just keeps getting worse. 

But that being said, the rumor or prostitution reminds me of one picture that of all the pictures stuck out in my head as "wrong" in some way.  It made me uncomfortable.  It's one where little Zahra has her hair done in a very spikey hair do, looks dressed up, looks posed (in front of a sheet??  Or am I remembering that wrong?) and is absolutely not smiling.  I thought "Wait, what's this about?"  It makes me wonder - that photo, the money from the guy in England, and now these rumors and the mattress that they found....

Alternately, did maybe the stepmonster take Zahra with her to one of her drug and who-knows-what-else with the guys with whom EB had a "relationship" and then things happen non-arranged?  Or maybe a drugged up EB just didn't stop the men?

I'm not really sure I want answers to any of these questions, but I keep wondering what the he77 went on!

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/ZahraClareBaker/l_34f5dffec57a4382b6e2d178354f7303.jpg)

This one?

I always thought it was for immigration purposes, since they require pictures with a white background.


Title: Dad, Grandmother in hiding
Post by: starwynn on November 30, 2010, 08:21:50 PM
(Please pardon me if this has already been posted.  I'm feeling a bit like this over it ------>   ::MonkeyMad:: )


Zahra Baker's father and grandmother are being protected by police in North Carolina as anger over the 10-year-old Australian girl's murder grows.

Adam Baker and Karen Baker are in hiding under police protection in Hickory but plan to attend Zahra's memorial service this week, the Townsville Bulletin reports.

"This time we're not going to stay away because people think we should," Karen Baker was quoted as saying.

She said that while she and Adam cannot hold a funeral for Zahra because police have not yet released her body, they were determined to hold a memorial service as "a chance to remember the fun times".

The Bakers said they will make Zahra's memorial service open to the public because they understand others in the community need closure.

The service is due to take place on Thursday.

Zahra battled bone cancer as a toddler and had a leg amputated at the age of five.

She moved to the US with her father when she was eight so that he could live with a woman he met over the internet, Elisa Baker.

The little girl was reported missing on October 9.

After an extensive search police found her body on November 10 in a secluded area known as Gunpowder Creek.

Elisa was arrested on October 10 on charges unrelated to Zahra's disappearance.

Police charged Elisa with obstruction of justice three days later, while she was being held in custody, for admitting to writing a fake ransom note.

Elisa remains in jail.

Zahra's father Adam was also arrested on charges unrelated to his daughter's murder, including writing bad cheques, on October 25.

Police suspect Zahra was murdered by they have yet to lay charges.


http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/8173019/zahra-bakers-dad-grandmother-in-hiding


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: starwynn on November 30, 2010, 08:23:19 PM
This one?
I always thought it was for immigration purposes, since they require pictures with a white background.

Yes, that's the one.  Was it done in Australia or here I wonder...  OK well that would be a good reason, for a passport.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: luvmyboys on November 30, 2010, 08:35:21 PM
Well it a very good thing for adam that he is being protected!!!! But imo I hope he gets what he deserves. No one was protecting zahra so he should not be protected that is BS


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: starwynn on November 30, 2010, 08:35:50 PM
What absolutely infuriates me about these articles is..... well a million things, but these two acting as if they have ANY right to be at her memorial.... I mean, let's stretch things to the max and say that AB didn't have anything to do with the death/dismemberment, etc.  Even if he hadn't, he gave up his rights when he let that stepmonster treat that dear little girl so horribly all the months before the last horrible deeds.

Anyway, here's another where the sperm-donor and his number one fan act like martyrs, not being able to grieve (read as "finally act as if they give a damn") for Zahra.

Boy I'm pissed off.
--------  http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/zahra-bakers-relatives-hiding-under-us-police-protection-ahead-of-memorial-service/story-e6frf7lx-1225963289398 ------------

ZAHRA Baker's father and grandmother are in hiding, under police protection, as public anger surges.

The police protection will cover the planned memorial service this week for the murdered Australian 10-year-old, the Townsville Bulletin said.

Adam and Karen Baker have vowed that verbal abuse and intimidation will not deter them from honouring Zahra, as happened during the candlelight vigil on November 16 attended by more than 1000 on what would have been her 11th birthday.

The service, on Thursday, will be held in a chapel that seats about 200 people.

No funeral can be held until police complete their investigation into the disappearance and death of the little girl, a two-time cancer survivor who had a prosthetic leg and also suffered from impaired hearing.

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Related Coverage

    * Local anger builds over Zahra's case Herald Sun, 19 Nov 2010
    * Zahra's stepmum 'investigated for bigamy' Herald Sun, 19 Nov 2010
    * A smile hid little Zahra Baker's pain Herald Sun, 19 Nov 2010
    * Crowds call for Zahra arrests Courier Mail, 15 Nov 2010
    * Zahra's mother tells of her anguish Herald Sun, 14 Nov 2010

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The Baker family will throw open the doors of the memorial service to the public, saying they understand that others need closure too - everyone who helped look for Zahra over that agonising five-week period, the police investigators, emergency workers, her school mates, close friends and neighbours, and complete strangers whose lives were touched by her story.

Her grieving father and grandmother will be in the front pew of the church service to be held at the Drum Funeral Home in Hickory before the Reverend Larry Cooley, saying this time they refuse to be cowed by public vilification into not attending the memorial to Zahra's life.

"This time we're not going to stay away because people think we should," Karen Baker said, speaking exclusively to the Townsville Bulletin from her hideaway.

"We can't have a funeral for our baby because the police have not released her body, and we don't know how long it will take for them to give her back to us.

"But we needed to do something, to try to move on a little bit we wanted a celebration of her life, a chance to remember the fun times, not so much the tears that have happened since she went missing."

Zahra's American stepmother, Elisa Baker, 42, who met Adam on the internet and married him two years ago, is in jail on an obstruction of justice charge for allegedly confessing to writing a fake ransom note for $1 million following Zahra's disappearance in early October.

Zahra's body was discovered on November 12.

The family has asked that donations be made in Zahra's name to St Jude Children's Research Hospital in Memphis, Tennessee, where Zahra was part of their research program, and in Australia to Camp Quality.
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Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: BabsKats on November 30, 2010, 08:40:16 PM
Possibility that this LEWIS JAMES YOUNG could be related to Aaron Young?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: statru on November 30, 2010, 08:40:40 PM
I dont know if they are really under police protection or not, I havent seen any local papers saying that.
They also said the memorial service has been cancelled


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: statru on November 30, 2010, 08:44:29 PM
http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13579917


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Curly on November 30, 2010, 08:45:48 PM
Yes, I read the service was canceled. (Hopefully so they can arrest him and deport his mother).
This is so sick.

I read they were staying in an apartment in Hudson.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 30, 2010, 08:45:59 PM
Possibility that this LEWIS JAMES YOUNG could be related to Aaron Young?

ABSOLUTELY the Youngs are related


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Puzzler on November 30, 2010, 08:46:47 PM
According to the documents, the Burke County Sheriff’s Office investigated a claim that Zahra Baker had been taken to a house in Burke County and raped by two men there in mid-October. According to the search warrants one of the men had a relationship with Elisa Baker.

http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Search-warrants-in-Zahra-Baker-case-unsealed-111070214.html
And I'm going to bet money changed hands. I'm physically ill from reading this. Thankfully Zahra is at peace  ::MonkeyAngel:: Prayers for Zahra's mom   ::MonkeyAngel::

I've been ill about this story from the beginning.  I have no words for this horrendous torture and disrespect Zahra has suffered.  That house was a torture chamber!



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Nightowl on November 30, 2010, 08:48:33 PM
Possibility that this LEWIS JAMES YOUNG could be related to Aaron Young?

ABSOLUTELY the Youngs are related

ABSOLUTELY!!  OMG could this story get more bizarre?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Curly on November 30, 2010, 08:49:04 PM
Possibility that this LEWIS JAMES YOUNG could be related to Aaron Young?
Both of these 2 men (monsters) have the same last name.
Sammy Young is said to have had a relationship with Sammy Young.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Brandi on November 30, 2010, 08:54:37 PM
Possibility that this LEWIS JAMES YOUNG could be related to Aaron Young?

"Sammy's" last name is Young too.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Puzzler on November 30, 2010, 08:54:49 PM
The documents don't reveal how the girl died, but they suggest that acquaintances of Zahra's stepmother may have played a role in the girl's death. The records detail for the first time Elisa Baker's account of what was done with Zahra's body, and offer a glimpse of evidence police have uncovered.

In a statement to police, a source relays information that two men may have raped Zahra. When asked if they killed her, the source said "they might have hit her in the head."

The documents do not explain that, if someone else killed the girl, why the Bakers would conceal her death.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/11/30/1877305/stepmother-zahra-bakers-body-dismembered.html#ixzz16oGc2tPJ



This would explain EB's quote "we didn't really kill her".  In her sick mind she doesn't think they were responsible, just because she pimped her out to men to be raped but but she wasn't the one who actually killed her.......I am livid!  ::MonkeyMad:: 

I am livid and stunned and this take my breath away!

AB/EB are going to get way with any charge of murder....oh, no!

I don't know the laws in NC, but I hope they're such that AB won't get away with obstruction of justice and the horrible way he has treated a body.  Child endangerment?  I hope that's something in NC law that LE can get him on.  Oh....just too sad to put into words!!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Puzzler on November 30, 2010, 08:58:28 PM
Someone needs to take care of Adam.  Elisa is in custody so she's safe, Adam is not safe.  I say find him and take care of him now.  I guess we'll have to let the courts take care of Elisa. THESE PEOPLE ARE MONSTERS.

Hear! Hear!

Remember how "cold" Adam's 911 call was?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Curly on November 30, 2010, 09:00:00 PM
I meant Sammy Young is alleged to have had a relationship with EB.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on November 30, 2010, 09:15:15 PM
Possibility that this LEWIS JAMES YOUNG could be related to Aaron Young?

ABSOLUTELY the Youngs are related

ABSOLUTELY!!  OMG could this story get more bizarre?
::MonkeyNoNo:: I sure hope not


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Brandi on November 30, 2010, 09:21:42 PM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/ZahraClareBaker/Image38-1.png)


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on November 30, 2010, 09:24:05 PM
I can't get any of the three links pertaining to the search warrant to open. Probably a good thing not to read before bed, will try to read them in the morning  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on November 30, 2010, 09:30:22 PM
Yes, I read the service was canceled. (Hopefully so they can arrest him and deport his mother).
This is so sick.

I read they were staying in an apartment in Hudson.
I read that also.  His neighbor there works in the furniture store where Zahra was spotted.
The neighbor knows nada, just that AB was the neighbor and then AB moved to a different apt in the same block.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Curly on November 30, 2010, 09:32:24 PM
I can't get any of the three links pertaining to the search warrant to open. Probably a good thing not to read before bed, will try to read them in the morning  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I can't either. They all end with scaredmonkeys for some reason after they download.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on November 30, 2010, 09:35:51 PM
Forest Village Estates, Kristin Lane, Hudson, NC
So, that is where he WAS living, now that the search warrants are out, he might be thinking about where HE is DYING ... in  a chair, on  a gurney with a needle or a good old fashioned prison shiv.
................
I've got the guy's name, but he is just an innocent bystander, never knew any of these peeps B4.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Brandi on November 30, 2010, 09:38:16 PM
I can't get any of the three links pertaining to the search warrant to open. Probably a good thing not to read before bed, will try to read them in the morning  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I can't either. They all end with scaredmonkeys for some reason after they download.

The links to the warrants here work:

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/nov/30/warrants-elisa-bakers-polygraph-test-showed-decept-ar-579114/

They are in a box under the picture "Related Links"


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Curly on November 30, 2010, 09:40:07 PM
Thanks, Brandi.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: statru on November 30, 2010, 09:43:35 PM
I can't get any of the three links pertaining to the search warrant to open. Probably a good thing not to read before bed, will try to read them in the morning  ::MonkeyNoNo::


They are all PDF files...they wouldnt open for me in firefox,  I had to use IE


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: statru on November 30, 2010, 09:45:08 PM
http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/nov/30/zahra-memorial-be-private-and-rescheduled-ar-579538/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter



HICKORY --

Plans have changed. The memorial for Zahra Baker that was scheduled for Thursday is no longer public and it will not be held Thursday.

Drum Funeral Home announced Tuesday that the Baker family has asked that the memorial be rescheduled for a later date. The family also wishes to make the memorial a private affair.

 The funeral home has arranged a time for visitors to stop by Thursday evening from 5 p.m. until 7 p.m., and on Friday from 1 p.m. until 4 p.m. to sign the register book and view a memorial tribute of Zahra.

Drum Funeral Home has announced that the news media will not be allowed inside the funeral home and said that reporters will not be allowed to talk to visitors.

Drum Funeral Home & Cremation Services is at 940 29th Ave., NE.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Brandi on November 30, 2010, 09:48:50 PM
I can't get any of the three links pertaining to the search warrant to open. Probably a good thing not to read before bed, will try to read them in the morning  ::MonkeyNoNo::


They are all PDF files...they wouldnt open for me in firefox,  I had to use IE

Worked fine in Firefox for me.

I have Firefox set to download them and open them in my adobe reader.

Just depends on your settings.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Curly on November 30, 2010, 09:51:38 PM
Wouldn't work in FF. Trying Safari. I have a Mac.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: 4 Donks on November 30, 2010, 09:52:05 PM
If Zahra died of "natural" causes AB can be charged with her death due to medical neglect. EB couldn't seek medical treatment only AB because he was the custodial parent. He should at least be charged with that. I really think he did the dismemberment. It happened in that house and no way you wouldn't notice no matter how stupid and detached you appear. These people are all subhuman including mommie dearest.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 30, 2010, 09:52:57 PM
Elisa tells LE where to look:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/ElisaZahra1.jpg)


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/ElisaZahra2.jpg)


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/ElisaZahra3.jpg)


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on November 30, 2010, 09:57:42 PM
AY has his FB thing to private. And dammit, I can't find the neighbor's FB, his wall was open and he had commented about AB living there.
My helper is out of town, she had it along with some sh*t about EB AY and AB on imvu. She has it on her home computer, not on her BB. The three of them in a chat room doing three somes. ???
I knew they were all sick demented f'ers, but I did not think of the level of depravity.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Nightowl on November 30, 2010, 10:03:52 PM
I can't find AY's FB account on there at all anymore, is it still there?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on November 30, 2010, 10:06:41 PM
I have been reading these excerpts from the documents and am horrified at what is contained in the ones released so far.  We knew that the real story would be much worse than we wanted to imagine all along, but to see it stated so starkly in black and white is overwhelming.

My main hope is that Emily was forewarned of the contents of these warrants and does not have to read them and learn for the first time as we are doing today.  My heart goes out to Emily and her family.

I have no words that would be acceptable in print to describe my feelings as to the scum that perpetrated and condoned these despicable acts on a defenceless child.  May they all rot in hell.

 ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Tolerance on November 30, 2010, 10:20:36 PM
Possibility that this LEWIS JAMES YOUNG could be related to Aaron Young?

ABSOLUTELY the Youngs are related
Has anyone figured out the relationship among James, Sammy and Aaron Young?
Since the informant states that Elisa B had a relationship w/ one of them..................I wonder if it could have been Aaron involved in this.  The warrent / informant says:  When the mother came back Zahra had blood in her private area and down her legs.              Didn't Aaron refer to babysitting for Zahra one time?
I wish I was good at the research ........... I wonder if James or Sammy may be in jail?  or I wonder if either James or Sammy is in the wedding pics from Aaron's recent wedding.
I am so glad Zahra is safe tonight.     


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: sugarBabies on November 30, 2010, 10:21:03 PM
"RAPE"    "STOMACH FLU"

OMG! Were they pimping her out and the poor little thing got pregnant????? Is that why they killed her.....


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Tolerance on November 30, 2010, 10:25:13 PM
"RAPE"    "STOMACH FLU"

OMG! Were they pimping her out and the poor little thing got pregnant????? Is that why they killed her.....
I was wondering if the vomiting was a result of being hit in the head as is stated in the warrant.  A concussion can make you vomit.
There is no way to make this easier to bear, is there?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 30, 2010, 10:28:57 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/LewisYoung.jpg)


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 30, 2010, 10:30:15 PM
Wondering if Lewis is Aaron's brother.  Not sure about Sammy, still trying to find something on him.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 30, 2010, 10:30:26 PM
 ::MonkeyShocked::

Thanks to all for posting the released document as well as all the updates.

I am listening to the Nancy Grace show (Jean) and I am horrified.

Elisa must be revealing all in exchange for some type of plea deal.

Janet


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: mymonkey on November 30, 2010, 10:34:31 PM


I have no words after all this new information.....God took this precious child home so he could keep her safe in his loving arms.....this world has gone crazy...everyone please protect your children.this case is so much like Shaina Davis....I felt that all along ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on November 30, 2010, 10:34:41 PM
I can't find AY's FB account on there at all anymore, is it still there?
It is, but it is on lockdown ( all it has is a pix of three kids, probably his new wife's ( and I never took screen shots of his friends names B4 he locked it up.
Someone will have it, someone with more foresight than I. I did go thru it one evening trying to find some of Elisa's relatives or some connections these peeps had to each other.
 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: pfaubush on November 30, 2010, 10:36:01 PM
I can't find AY's FB account on there at all anymore, is it still there?

The only way I can find it is through the messages that he sent back to me when I asked him for some of Zahra's favorite things. Typing it in, it won't come up. Here ya go:


edit: Removed link to personal facebook page. Messages not available from link.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: mymonkey on November 30, 2010, 10:36:42 PM
"RAPE"    "STOMACH FLU"

OMG! Were they pimping her out and the poor little thing got pregnant????? Is that why they killed her.....


I was wondering the same thing....after her ignorant sperm donor said she was brooding. ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: islandmonkey on November 30, 2010, 10:39:37 PM
I hope this is enough to arrest Pillsbury dough boy Adam.
This is terrifyingly horrific.

I must be blind again because I don't see the documents.
KB better run for her useless life.
And what about the two men? Where are they? Are they in jail?

They were just released this afternoon to the media. I imagine they will hang onto them a day or two for headlines/soundbites before posting them online. JMO

The info about the rape came from an informant. Doesn't mean it is true. Just that the information was used as probable cause to help obtain a search warrant. I am sure police checked it out and are investigating if it is truthful information.

I would hope its not true, but it has been being said for several weeks now.

I would say that is why they have been closed mouthed about updates lately.
They knew this was going to throw gas on a fire.
I will personally fly down and lend the match for Adam, and these two....like Klaas said, Elisa is in jail but a 15 break for a guard could solve that problem. I pysically want to throw up now, what this poor child had to endure in her short life is so horrific I don't think there are even words for it. Hope they all rot in hell

Z ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: cookie on November 30, 2010, 10:42:06 PM
listening to Jean C. on the Nancy Grace show...this case is horrifying...what hell this little girl suffered..
I can hardly bear to listen to what they are saying! ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: sugarBabies on November 30, 2010, 10:43:48 PM
"RAPE"    "STOMACH FLU"

OMG! Were they pimping her out and the poor little thing got pregnant????? Is that why they killed her.....
I was wondering if the vomiting was a result of being hit in the head as is stated in the warrant.  A concussion can make you vomit.
There is no way to make this easier to bear, is there?
No there isn't.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: pink angel on November 30, 2010, 10:46:14 PM
Possibility that this LEWIS JAMES YOUNG could be related to Aaron Young?

ABSOLUTELY the Youngs are related
Has anyone figured out the relationship among James, Sammy and Aaron Young?
Since the informant states that Elisa B had a relationship w/ one of them..................I wonder if it could have been Aaron involved in this.  The warrent / informant says:  When the mother came back Zahra had blood in her private area and down her legs.              Didn't Aaron refer to babysitting for Zahra one time?
I wish I was good at the research ........... I wonder if James or Sammy may be in jail?  or I wonder if either James or Sammy is in the wedding pics from Aaron's recent wedding.
I am so glad Zahra is safe tonight.     

They are cousins. I have heard Elesa had a relationship with Sammy at one time. Before Aaron? After Aaron? I don't know.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: starwynn on November 30, 2010, 10:47:05 PM
"RAPE"    "STOMACH FLU"

OMG! Were they pimping her out and the poor little thing got pregnant????? Is that why they killed her.....
I was wondering if the vomiting was a result of being hit in the head as is stated in the warrant.  A concussion can make you vomit.
There is no way to make this easier to bear, is there?

I'm also thinking that EB checking on Zahra at 2:30 in the morning wasn't any sort of motherly affection; more to see how bad things were.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: pink angel on November 30, 2010, 10:47:31 PM
Possibility that this LEWIS JAMES YOUNG could be related to Aaron Young?

ABSOLUTELY the Youngs are related
Has anyone figured out the relationship among James, Sammy and Aaron Young?
Since the informant states that Elisa B had a relationship w/ one of them..................I wonder if it could have been Aaron involved in this.  The warrent / informant says:  When the mother came back Zahra had blood in her private area and down her legs.              Didn't Aaron refer to babysitting for Zahra one time?
I wish I was good at the research ........... I wonder if James or Sammy may be in jail?  or I wonder if either James or Sammy is in the wedding pics from Aaron's recent wedding.
I am so glad Zahra is safe tonight.     

They are cousins. I have heard Elesa had a relationship with Sammy at one time. Before Aaron? After Aaron? I don't know.


Neither of them are in jail.
Timmy was in jail on a failure to appear but had court today and was released. He was arrested 10/22


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: sugarBabies on November 30, 2010, 10:52:11 PM
"RAPE"    "STOMACH FLU"

OMG! Were they pimping her out and the poor little thing got pregnant????? Is that why they killed her.....


I was wondering the same thing....after her ignorant sperm donor said she was brooding. ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::
Yeah even my husband said that child was being abused sexualy when AB said that.  Who talks about their child like that?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Tolerance on November 30, 2010, 10:53:43 PM
I can't find AY's FB account on there at all anymore, is it still there?

The only way I can find it is through the messages that he sent back to me when I asked him for some of Zahra's favorite things. Typing it in, it won't come up. Here ya go:

This takes me to your page.

Removed personal facebook link.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: mizjay on November 30, 2010, 10:54:30 PM
AY has his FB thing to private. And dammit, I can't find the neighbor's FB, his wall was open and he had commented about AB living there.
My helper is out of town, she had it along with some sh*t about EB AY and AB on imvu. She has it on her home computer, not on her BB. The three of them in a chat room doing three somes. ???
I knew they were all sick demented f'ers, but I did not think of the level of depravity.

No wonder adam brought his mommy to meet his brother in law/ex wife's ex husband..such nice country folk. Ya know it's not everyday that you marry into the kind of "family" that let's it all hang out, the sicker the better and join right in, which AB did. There's a special place in hell for all of them, wish they'd hurry and go there.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: pfaubush on November 30, 2010, 10:59:49 PM
Give me some time. I am searching Lewis Young's criminal record. There are 9 pages, mostly rape and assault on female. Who knows though. I'm still PrtSc the first 2 pages.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Curly on November 30, 2010, 11:01:12 PM
I found a Samuel Young in his late 60s near Hudson.

Samuel E Young
2071054227
Home_address_ | Valdese, North Carolina 28690
Phone_ (828) xxx-xxxx
Household_ Linda S Young, Sue Young, Wendy Young
([RP(-1,2071054227,'Samuel E Young','','Valdese, NC',','Linda S Young','','Valdese, NC','Sue Young','','Valdese, NC','Summers ,'Wendy Young','','Valdese, NC','
Male
Late 60's
Married
House
$170k
Hobbies
Caucasian
Capricorn
Republican
Religion Education


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Curly on November 30, 2010, 11:02:14 PM
Can anyone locate his cached FB page?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: pink angel on November 30, 2010, 11:06:29 PM
NEWTON --

 In court documents that were unsealed Tuesday, it was revealed that Zahra Clare Baker was likely dismembered in the bathtub of the Baker house in Hickory.

 

Zahra’s stepmother, Elisa Baker, has been assigned prominent defense attorney Lisa Dubs. The Oct. 27 search warrant states Elisa gave information to police through Dubs relating to the investigation.

 

This includes that “the body of Zahra Baker was dismembered. That blood, body fluids and pieces of bone may be located in the drain trap of the bathtub.”

 

Zahra, 10, was first reported missing by her father, Adam Baker, on Oct. 9. Her disappearance was changed to a homicide investigation on Oct. 12. Search warrants relating to the investigation were ordered sealed for 30 days by Superior Court Judge Timothy Kincaid beginning on Oct. 11. Judge Nathaniel Poovey signed an order Wednesday ensuring all warrants were unsealed.

 

The Oct. 29 search warrant states latex gloves were used when the body was dismembered and white trash bags were used to store the body parts. Dubs told investigators where the box of trash bags and latex gloves could be found in the house on 21st Avenue, NW. In the same search warrant, a Hickory investigator stated that when investigators were at the house on Oct. 27, they found possible blood evidence at the home and wanted the bloodstain pattern examined more closely by a forensic expert.

 

Someone with a forensic consulting firm came to examine the house in Hickory that day.

On Oct. 14, investigators learned that Zahra may have been raped prior to her death. An officer with the Burke County Sheriff’s Office received a tip from a credible source stating that two men — one of whom may have had a relationship with Elisa — raped Zahra.

 

In the written statement, the source said a girl — Zahra — had been at a house on County Line Road in Hildebran with two people. One of those people told this source he had “done something very bad and needed to leave town.” The statement also said the child had blood on her private area and legs and the two men raped her.

 

When investigators with the Hickory Police Department and the State Bureau of Investigation arrived at the house, it matched the description the source gave. There was also a mattress lying in the front yard with a large, dark stain in it, according to the warrant. One of the investigators questioned the resident of the house, who was one of the two men mentioned by the source. The resident said the “mattress was his and that he had removed it from the house to let it ‘air out’ due to the fact he had urinated on it. He stated that he knew Zahra Baker, but to the best of his knowledge, she had never been” to the house.

 

This was the only time, in all 13 search warrants, that any reference was made to Zahra having possibly been raped prior to her death.

 

In another search warrant, it is revealed just how many places Elisa Baker told investigators to search and what the would find. On Oct. 26, a Hickory police investigator met with Dubs and Steve Ehlers, a private investigator who works with Dubs. Elisa Baker rode with them to show them locations where evidence had been disposed of. According to the search warrant, these locations included:

 

-A dumpster at the Fox Ridge Apartments on Fourth Street Drive, NW, in Hickory. Elisa said she and Adam disposed of Zahra’s prosthetic leg in the dumpster there, and that it was wrapped in a white trash bag. However, police said Zahra’s prosthetic leg was found on Christie Road in Caldwell County on Oct. 26.

 

-A trash dump behind Congress Street in Granite Falls, where Elisa, Adam and Zahra lived from July through November 2009. Elisa said she and Adam dumped a mattress and box spring that belonged to Zahra there.

 

-A dumpster behind Fair Value Grocery Store in Hudson, where Elisa said a car cover and a bed comforter were thrown out. Elisa said both were used to conceal and transport Zahra’s body parts.

 

Other information learned from the search warrants:

-Elisa Baker said she, Adam and Zahra went to Oktoberfest on Friday, Oct. 8, from 7 to 9 p.m. and then went home and Zahra went to bed.

 

-When Adam Baker was interviewed by investigators on Saturday, Oct. 9, the day Zahra was first reported missing, Adam said he had not seen Zahra since Wednesday, Oct. 6. Elisa had reported to police that she checked on Zahra at 2:30 a.m. Saturday and she was fine. Adam also stated to police earlier in the day on Oct. 9 that he thought the kidnappers who left the note on the Chevy Tahoe took his daughter.

 

-Elisa Baker admitted to investigators on Oct. 11 to writing and fabricating the ransom note on the Chevy Tahoe because she was angry at Mark Coffey, Adam Baker’s boss and their landlord.

 

-Elisa Baker took a polygraph on Oct. 9 and was asked three questions about Zahra: Did you hurt Zahra; do you know if anyone has done harm to that child; and do you know the person that wrote that ransom note. According to the Oct. 14 search warrant, Elisa “showed deception” on all three questions.

 

-Blood was found in the Chevy Tahoe parked at the house on 21st Avenue, NW, in Hickory. The SBI is getting every person possibly involved in the case, and those who live at the house to give blood samples for comparison to that found in the vehicle.

 

-Phone records for Adam and Elisa were requested, from Sept. 18 through Oct. 11, because, according to the search warrants, investigators believed both may have participated in kidnapping.

 

-Investigators also obtained access to Elisa’s MySpace, Facebook and America Online email accounts, based on the case being a missing/endangered person case, according to the search warrant. They were looking for photographs, videos, blogs and classifieds she may have accessed, as well as private messages in her inbox, sent mail or trash folders.

 

-Elisa’s password for her Facebook account is fairygirl6668, and her password is 666. Her MySpace username was also gothicfairy6668, and her AOL email account was fairygirl6668.

 

-After executing a search warrant on Elisa Baker’s America Online account, AOL contacted the Hickory Police Department on Oct. 18, however, and said there were multiple email accounts possibly for the same user under different names and telephone numbers.

 

-A search warrant revealed Elisa had reports made to the Department of Social Services about her biological children dating back to 1999.

 

-In July 2010, reports were made to Caldwell County, then Catawba County DSS about possible abuse from Elisa, because of Zahra’s black eye.

 

-Elisa Baker is being investigated for obstruction of justice, kidnapping and homicide.

 

 

Items investigators have taken from the house on 21st Avenue include:

-Notebook with grades and attendance;

-Cutting from mattress;

-Blood swabs;

-Tissue scrapings from the wall;

-Cut section from the floor;

-Cut sections from the wall;

-Cut sections from the doorframe;

-3 latex gloves;

-Knife sheath;

-6 cans of paint;

-Stun gun;

-8 empty pill bottles;

-2 bottles with pills;

-Kitchen drain trap;

-Bathroom drain trap;

-Camo shirt;

-Pink/gray pants;

-4 prosthetic covers;

-Burn debris;

-CD photos;

-Syringe;

-Toy dolls;

-Assorted receipts and paperwork;

-Clorox bottle;

-Green car cover.
http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/nov/30/13/warrants-elisa-bakers-polygraph-test-showed-decept-ar-579114/


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: pink angel on November 30, 2010, 11:07:57 PM
I found a Samuel Young in his late 60s near Hudson.

Samuel E Young
2071054227
Home_address_ | Valdese, North Carolina 28690
Phone_ (828) xxx-xxxx
Household_ Linda S Young, Sue Young, Wendy Young
([RP(-1,2071054227,'Samuel E Young','','Valdese, NC',','Linda S Young','','Valdese, NC','Sue Young','','Valdese, NC','Summers ,'Wendy Young','','Valdese, NC','
Male
Late 60's
Married
House
$170k
Hobbies
Caucasian
Capricorn
Republican
Religion Education


Police searched the home of Timothy Samuel "Sammy" Young and Lewis James Young.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: pfaubush on November 30, 2010, 11:10:00 PM
Lewis Young, curiously enough, has failure to return rental property and worthless checks on his record too. He also has assault with deadly weapon-intent to kill. What is this guy doing walking around?????????????  ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: pink angel on November 30, 2010, 11:11:36 PM
TSY Criminal records
http://www.wikiupload.com/R7TAM1qe

LJY
http://www.wikiupload.com/MwtT0N0L


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on November 30, 2010, 11:15:52 PM
Lewis Young, curiously enough, has failure to return rental property and worthless checks on his record too. He also has assault with deadly weapon-intent to kill. What is this guy doing walking around?????????????  ::MonkeyMad::


Keeping Adam Baker company?

 ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Brandi on November 30, 2010, 11:24:09 PM
TSY Criminal records
http://www.wikiupload.com/R7TAM1qe

LJY
http://www.wikiupload.com/MwtT0N0L

Thank you.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 30, 2010, 11:26:15 PM
TSY Criminal records
http://www.wikiupload.com/R7TAM1qe

LJY
http://www.wikiupload.com/MwtT0N0L

Thanks Pink Angel


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: pink angel on November 30, 2010, 11:27:00 PM


According to the documents, the Burke County Sheriff’s Office investigated a claim that Zahra Baker had been killed by one or two men who had raped her at a house in Hildebran. The men--cousins--are related to Baker's ex-husband. The tipster alleged that Zahra had been left at the home, and when her mother returned, the little girl had blood on her private area and legs.
According to the search warrants, one of the men had a relationship with Elisa Baker.
Lewis James Young, one of the two men, tells NewsChannel 36 that, to his knowledge, Zahra Baker, has never been in his house. He says he was questioned for ten hours about the allegation and passed a lie detector test.
When police searched the Burke County home, the warrants indicate a mattress with a dark stain was discovered. Young said, "I had gotten really drunk and urinated on it."
Police did not remove the mattress.
Young said his brief interactions with Zahra at Christmas last year were always good. "She was a very respectful little girl...always happy."
He says he offered his help to the investigators who questioned him. "I told them, I said, 'Guys, whatever I can think of--if I can think of anything else--I'll let you know. I'll help you in any way I can."
A woman who answered Young's cousin's phone hung up when NewsChannel 36 called for comment. Neither man has been arrested.

http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Search-warrants-in-Zahra-Baker-case-unsealed-111070214.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Brandi on November 30, 2010, 11:40:43 PM
TSY Criminal records
http://www.wikiupload.com/R7TAM1qe

LJY
http://www.wikiupload.com/MwtT0N0L

Thank you.

Pink Angel, those are both the sme. They are JLY's 174 page report.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Brandi on November 30, 2010, 11:42:27 PM
TSY Criminal records
http://www.wikiupload.com/R7TAM1qe

LJY
http://www.wikiupload.com/MwtT0N0L

Thank you.

Pink Angel, those are both the sme. They are JLY's 174 page report.

oops!

I am wrong. Sorry.

Guess I got a little dizzy/insane after reading JLY's report.

Amazing he has spent any time outside jail/prison walls.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: pfaubush on November 30, 2010, 11:54:30 PM
TSY Criminal records
http://www.wikiupload.com/R7TAM1qe

LJY
http://www.wikiupload.com/MwtT0N0L

Thank you! It would have taken me all night to get screen shots, crop, save, and upload!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: pfaubush on December 01, 2010, 12:35:52 AM
A warrant with a more detailed list of what was taken from the home at the bottom.

http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2010/1201/25966491.pdf (http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2010/1201/25966491.pdf)


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Brandi on December 01, 2010, 12:39:22 AM
A warrant with a more detailed list of what was taken from the home at the bottom.

http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2010/1201/25966491.pdf (http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2010/1201/25966491.pdf)

Thanks, pfaubush.

O/T: You have some winter/Christmas avatar designs at the link in my signature ;-)


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: pfaubush on December 01, 2010, 01:47:03 AM
A warrant with a more detailed list of what was taken from the home at the bottom.

http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2010/1201/25966491.pdf (http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2010/1201/25966491.pdf)

Thanks, pfaubush.

O/T: You have some winter/Christmas avatar designs at the link in my signature ;-)

Weeee! Thank you Brandi!!!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: pfaubush on December 01, 2010, 02:12:52 AM
I had to exit left in the Kyron discussion, since TH now lives in the same town. The disgust was beyond what I could stand and everything seemed to be at a dead stop. Then while in there I saw this one.

Zahra completely captured my heart. The disgust is so much worse in this case. With every bit of information that comes out, their is something even more sickening around the corner. I try to detatch to a point and usually can, but when I read some of the things in those warrants, I actually broke down and bawled. I just don't know how many more 'revalations' I can stand. If I can't stomach it, it really puts into perspective for me what Zahra went through. I can only imagine some of the things that EB's own daughters went though. It's a shame that we are part of the same species as someone that could have so little disregard for an innocent life.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Give me a propane torch and 10 minutes with these people.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: bananas on December 01, 2010, 02:23:09 AM
The documents don't reveal how the girl died, but they suggest that acquaintances of Zahra's stepmother may have played a role in the girl's death. The records detail for the first time Elisa Baker's account of what was done with Zahra's body, and offer a glimpse of evidence police have uncovered.

In a statement to police, a source relays information that two men may have raped Zahra. When asked if they killed her, the source said "they might have hit her in the head."

The documents do not explain that, if someone else killed the girl, why the Bakers would conceal her death.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/11/30/1877305/stepmother-zahra-bakers-body-dismembered.html#ixzz16oGc2tPJ



This would explain EB's quote "we didn't really kill her".  In her sick mind she doesn't think they were responsible, just because she pimped her out to men to be raped but but she wasn't the one who actually killed her.......I am livid!  ::MonkeyMad:: 

This is sounding too much like Shaniya now but even more twisted and sick.  DAMMIT... I am so sick of what these monsters made Zahra endure! I can't even begin to find the words for how this makes me feel.  Poor Zahra.... OMG.  I had hoped she didn't have to suffer through sexual torment as well. How many more?  How many more beautiful little children are tormented like this?   ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: bananas on December 01, 2010, 02:34:18 AM
Possibility that this LEWIS JAMES YOUNG could be related to Aaron Young?

That is what it sounds like.... a cousin?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Brandi on December 01, 2010, 02:52:26 AM
Possibility that this LEWIS JAMES YOUNG could be related to Aaron Young?

That is what it sounds like.... a cousin?

Yes, an article (cannot find right now) said they were cousins.

O/T: You have a post in my thread as well, Bananas ;-)


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Nightowl on December 01, 2010, 02:55:30 AM
I think this post on FB is a sign of things to come.

D**** G***** WELL i guess everyone has hear about the search warrents being relessed...and now they saying 2 men raped Zahra...and they did dismembered her..well now I will be at the Funeral home and i'm not going to say anymore about that i'm going to ...leave that right there.all I can say all hell will brake lose...i'm done with this..no matter they might give them 2 MONSTERS death but things need to be done...and he is going to show his face there after them letting all this out,,what doese this man have a death wish..no one can touch her right now because that MONSTERS in jail...it's a eye for a eye now...its time for the law to charge this man..because someone will get him now that this is out...WHAT IS WRONG WITH THESE SICK PEOPLE...PLEASE COPS CHARGE THIS MAN BEFORE SOMEONE GETS IN A LOT OF TROUBLE...ALL I CAN SAY GET HIS SICK ASS OFF THE STREETS.See More
about an hour ago · LikeUnlike ·

This is posted on the front wall of The Zahra Project on FB


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Nightowl on December 01, 2010, 02:58:49 AM
Hi Brandi, I would love one if you have time to do one for me, thanks.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Brandi on December 01, 2010, 03:30:03 AM
Hi Brandi, I would love one if you have time to do one for me, thanks.  ::MonkeyWink::

I have one for you. It's at: http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4314.msg1268765#msg1268765

Sorry for the O/T.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on December 01, 2010, 04:57:20 AM
Grisly claims revealed in Zahra Baker case

    * From: AAP
    * December 01, 2010 3:36PM

ZAHRA Baker, the 10-year-old Australian girl murdered in North Carolina, may have been raped by two men, according to search warrants unsealed today.

The warrants, which are based on fourth-hand information, also describe what might have happened to the body of Zahra, who was reported missing October 9.

The warrants still did not reveal how the girl died.

Zahra's stepmother, Elisa Baker, told police Zahra - who needed a prosthetic leg and hearing aids after a battle with cancer - was dismembered by someone wearing latex gloves.

She also said that blood and bone could be found in the drain trap of a bathtub and the girl's body parts were put in white rubbish bags before being thrown in a dumpster behind a shopping centre in Hudson, North Carolina.

Also, a confidential source told police he heard about the alleged rape from a friend, who had heard about it from his sister.

She said she was told about it by one of the men involved who said he had "done something very bad and needed to leave town".

The source said he asked his friend if the men had killed Zahra and was told "they might have hit her in the head".

The information in the warrants, some of which were posted on the website of the Hickory Daily Record, was from an October 15 motion to keep the records in the investigation sealed.

It doesn't say when the men may have attacked the girl.

No one has been charged in Zahra's death, which police have labelled a homicide.

Her stepmother, who is co-operating with authorities, is being held on an obstruction charge.

She has admitted writing a fake ransom note to try to throw off authorities.

The girl's Australian father, Adam Baker, is free on bond after being jailed on charges unrelated to his daughter's disappearance and death.

Police have said they don't believe the account given by the Bakers that they last saw Zahra the morning she was reported missing.

One warrant states her father said he hadn't seen her for three days.

A month after she was reported gone, police announced they'd found what were believed to be her remains.

The claim about the rape was among 11 warrants made public by order of Superior Court Judge Nathaniel Poovey.

Prosecutors had filed a motion on Monday asking that the warrants not be made public, arguing that it would hamper the continuing investigation.

Among other new details, the warrants expand an account by Elisa Baker on how the girl's body was dismembered and left in different sites around western North Carolina.

She said the girl's remains were stashed in a bed comforter and a car cover before being discarded.

The warrants also say that Elisa Baker showed deception during a polygraph test when asked if anyone had harmed Zahra and whether she knew who wrote a ransom note found at the Bakers' residence the day Zahra was reported missing.

Zahra moved to the US with her father after he met Elisa online.

Zahra's family had been planning a public memorial service Thursday, but a funeral home in Hickory said relatives had since decided to make it private and hold it at a later date.

Burial plans for Zahra have not been determined.

Zahra's biological mother, Emily Dietrich, from Wagga Wagga, NSW, has said she hopes to be able to return her daughter's remains to her native country.

Dietrich has said she suffered postnatal depression after Zahra's birth and handed over custody to Adam Baker.

Later, she decided she wanted to be in the girl's life and spent years trying to track the pair.

She said she discovered Zahra was living in the US just three days before she was reported missing on October 9.


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/world/grisly-claims-revealed-in-zahra-baker-case/story-e6freopf-1225964030358


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on December 01, 2010, 05:49:58 AM
Just when you think it can't possibly get any more horrifying........  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on December 01, 2010, 06:08:32 AM
Zahra Baker update: Read warrant regarding girl’s black eye, stepmom’s polygraph
December 1st, 2010 12:08 am ET

Zahra Baker update: Read warrant regarding girl’s black eye, stepmom’s polygraph

On October 9, Australian-born Zahra Clare Baker, 10, was reported missing from her North Carolina home by her father, Adam Baker. On November 16, investigators found human remains that confirmed the little girl was dead.

To see photos regarding the case, click here.

On Tuesday, a judge ordered warrants in the case be unsealed. One of the warrants reveals information about the girl’s stepmother, Elisa Baker, along the with results of a polygraph she was given in connection to the case.

The document indicates a number of disturbing things, including that Elisa had recently sent a threatening email to her ex-father-in-law, had failed a polygraph examination regarding Zahra and harm done to her, and that the local department of social services had been called due to allegations Elisa had given Zahra a black eye.

Elisa is currently behind bars, arrested October 10 for obstruction of justice for writing a fake ransom note related to the case, which is detailed in another warrant revealing disturbing details about what happened to Zahra‘s body.

To read that warrant, click here.

To read the warrant that includes rape allegations, click here.

To read the entire warrant including information regarding Elisa’s polygraph examination, click on the player to the left of this article, or click here.

http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-national/zahra-baker-update-read-warrant-regarding-girl-s-black-eye-stepmom-s-polygraph

all 'click here' links can be found at the above link.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on December 01, 2010, 06:34:58 AM
http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1011/30/ng.01.html
NANCY GRACE
New Details on Zahra Death
Aired November 30, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Leroy on December 01, 2010, 07:31:52 AM
 ::MonkeyTears::  ::MonkeyTears::  ::MonkeyTears::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on December 01, 2010, 08:02:31 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/11/30/warrant-disabled-nc-girl-raped/?test=latestnews

HICKORY, N.C. –  A 10-year-old disabled girl who was dismembered after she died may have been raped by two men and hit in the head, according to a search warrant based on fourth-hand information and unsealed Tuesday.

The warrants also describe what might have happened to the body of Zahra Baker, who was reported missing Oct. 9. The warrants still did not reveal how the girl died.

The girl's stepmother, Elisa Baker, told police Zahra — who needed a prosthetic leg and hearing aids after a battle with cancer — was dismembered by someone wearing latex gloves. She also said that blood and bone could be found in the drain trap of a bathtub and the girl's body parts were put in white trash bags before being thrown in a Dumpster behind a shopping center in Hudson.

___________________________________________________________

I hope EB rots in he77.  This case makes me sick to my stomach just imagining what she went thru at the hands of those who should have protected her.  Even these men who possibly took advantage of this poor child - sickening.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Claycat on December 01, 2010, 08:33:39 AM
This is disgusting!  I wonder if we will ever know the truth about this precious girl!  All I know is that she was a beautiful lily living among pond scum! 

 ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: 4 Donks on December 01, 2010, 10:00:36 AM
This is disgusting!  I wonder if we will ever know the truth about this precious girl!  All I know is that she was a beautiful lily living among pond scum! 

 ::MonkeyMad::
BBM
This is so true and it breaks my heart.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on December 01, 2010, 10:02:15 AM
After reading all the search warrant material, why is Adam walking the streets? Maybe they are hoping that someone kills him, I know, that is wrong, and that isn't reality. But you do have to wonder  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Curly on December 01, 2010, 10:35:36 AM
I hope someone kills Adam, but he needs to be tortured first.
Wonder how Ma Baker feels about Sonny Boy now.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on December 01, 2010, 10:38:22 AM
I hope someone kills Adam, but he needs to be tortured first.
Wonder how Ma Baker feels about Sonny Boy now.
IMO, she will back her son until the day she dies.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: SuzieQ on December 01, 2010, 10:38:48 AM
Chat House News has all the search warrants if someone wants to wade through them. They are large PDF files and well over 100 pages.

http://www.chathousenews.com/2010/12/zahra-baker-search-warrants-documents.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on December 01, 2010, 10:39:43 AM
Chat House News has all the search warrants if someone wants to wade through them. They are large PDF files and well over 100 pages.

http://www.chathousenews.com/2010/12/zahra-baker-search-warrants-documents.html
Thank-you


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: melisb on December 01, 2010, 10:42:38 AM
I had to exit left in the Kyron discussion, since TH now lives in the same town. The disgust was beyond what I could stand and everything seemed to be at a dead stop. Then while in there I saw this one.

Zahra completely captured my heart. The disgust is so much worse in this case. With every bit of information that comes out, their is something even more sickening around the corner. I try to detatch to a point and usually can, but when I read some of the things in those warrants, I actually broke down and bawled. I just don't know how many more 'revalations' I can stand. If I can't stomach it, it really puts into perspective for me what Zahra went through. I can only imagine some of the things that EB's own daughters went though. It's a shame that we are part of the same species as someone that could have so little disregard for an innocent life.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Give me a propane torch and 10 minutes with these people.
I so agree with you!  My posts way back in the beginning said I felt that this case reminded my of Shaniya's and didn't know what I do now.  Just that these two sick people in charge of Zahra seemed too dark and really evil.  Now my mind is wondering what she put her own children through now that we possibly know what she did with little Z.  What on God's green earth did they put her through?  Did they use her themselves?  Did they pimp her out?  Porn on the computer?  I hope there is so much evidence that they are put down forever.  I do think EvilE has all ready got her DP off the table by offering info up first but I have no doubt that in the first year and no more than 2 she will be murdered by a fellow inmate.  God forgive me but I will be the first to thank that person!  Child killers are the lowest form of scum by inmate code.  I hope they arrest him soon.  One thing? Was she a good enough liar to keep Adam in the dark and keep him away from his own child in the same house?  I have seen some women so devious to hide things right under their spouses nose.  Especially is the guy works really long hours.  (Please don't take this as me defending AB) Could she have been doing things to Zahra behind AB's back with other men?  Possible adding AB's name during dismemberment and stashing parts where another guy actually helped her while he was at work?  Not possible, right?  AB was surely involved and not that stupid, right? I'm just trying to figure out why he isn't in jail?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: SuzieQ on December 01, 2010, 10:46:23 AM
Video interview with James Young at this link. He says he is Aaron's brother.

http://blog.eyesforlies.com/2010/12/two-new-suspects-in-zahra-baker-case.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+EyesForLies+%28Eyes+for+Lies+Blog%29&utm_content=Twitter


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 01, 2010, 10:50:17 AM
http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Search-warrants-in-Zahra-Baker-case-unsealed-111070214.html




Man denies rape allegation in Zahra Baker case

by RAD BERKY & BETH SHAYNE/NewsChannel 36
Bio | Email | Follow: @RadBerkywcnc

WCNC.com

Posted on November 30, 2010 at 11:50 PM
Updated today at 9:57 AM


CATAWBA COUNTY, N.C. -- Search warrants that were issued in connection with the Zahra Baker case have revealed startling new information about the investigation.

The warrants were unsealed by a judge late Tuesday afternoon. The 11 warrants were issued in October; they include eight warrants for the Baker’s Hickory home and three warrants to access social media accounts owned by Zahra’s stepmother, Elisa Baker.

In total, the documents provide 121 pages of new details into the investigation.

According to the documents, the Burke County Sheriff’s Office investigated a claim that Zahra Baker had been killed by one or two men who had raped her at a house in Hildebran. The men--cousins--are related to Baker's ex-husband. The tipster alleged that Zahra had been left at the home, and when her mother returned, the little girl had blood on her private area and legs.

According to the search warrants, one of the men had a relationship with Elisa Baker.

Lewis James Young, one of the two men, tells NewsChannel 36 that, to his knowledge, Zahra Baker, has never been in his house. He says he was questioned for ten hours about the allegation and passed a lie detector test.

When police searched the Burke County home, the warrants indicate a mattress with a dark stain was discovered. Young said, "I had gotten really drunk and urinated on it."

Police did not remove the mattress.

Young said his brief interactions with Zahra at Christmas last year were always good. "She was a very respectful little girl...always happy."

He says he offered his help to the investigators who questioned him. "I told them, I said, 'Guys, whatever I can think of--if I can think of anything else--I'll let you know. I'll help you in any way I can.'"

A woman who answered Young's cousin's phone hung up when NewsChannel 36 called for comment. Neither man has been arrested.

Most of the detail in the warrants concerns searching police made of the Baker’s home in Hickory. There, warrants say, investigators removed drain pipes and traps looking for blood. They also removed sections of the wall where they believe there was blood evidence.

The warrants detail the locations Elisa Baker directed them to search. They include a dumpster at an apartment complex in Hickory where Elisa Baker told investigators she and Adam had ditched Zahra's prosthetic leg, a dumpster at an apartment complex in Granite Falls where Elisa allegedly said they'd left Zahra's mattress, and a dumpster in Hudson where Baker's lawyer told police a car cover and bed comforter used to transport Zahra's body parts had been dumped.

According to the warrants, Baker also communicated that latex gloves stored in their home in Hickory had been used to dismember Zahra's body.

One warrant reveals that Elisa Baker submitted to a lie detector test and when asked if she had harmed Zahra or knew anyone who did, her answers were said to be deceptive.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on December 01, 2010, 10:58:58 AM
Hi Monkeys!

I'm sickened by the developments in this investigation. My God, what did this child endure?   ::MonkeyTears::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on December 01, 2010, 11:12:23 AM
Now the question is did Aaron Young know all about this?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on December 01, 2010, 11:20:24 AM
Very good question, NRCG! It's one I've been asking myself. It seems that maybe no one in Zahra's life was anything less than a monster!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on December 01, 2010, 11:26:52 AM
Very good question, NRCG! It's one I've been asking myself. It seems that maybe no one in Zahra's life was anything less than a monster!
I hope that I say this the right way it has been haunting me.  It is always horrific and sickening when a child or woman is raped, but the thought of a child that survived cancer, has a partial leg, and hearing aides is raped like this, it makes it so much worse for me. I actually got an upset stomach and almost vomited when I read this yesterday. Jessica lunsford and Zahra Clare Baker will be forever in my mind.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: sassifrass on December 01, 2010, 11:45:29 AM
Zahra Baker case: Warrants released, and lies uncovered

The first of 11 warrants have already been published by the Hickory Daily Report.  They tell of the disturbing events of October 9th leading to the report of Zahra Clare Baker being missing, and the even more disturbing revelations that followed.

But we’ll come back to those warrants in a bit.  There’s something more important to discuss.  It’s the lies.  The lies of Elisa Baker, Adam Baker, Aaron Young and Karen Baker.

Remember the adage, “Keep your friends close and your enemies closer”?  Well, what happens when your friend considers you the enemy? Adam Baker is about to find out, because he has someone in his life he thought he could trust…that he couldn’t.  And they are talking.  And what they are telling isn’t working out well for Adam or any one close to him.

Let’s start with Karen Baker.  She’s been busy leading anyone who would listen to believe that she had lost contact with Adam, Elisa and Zahra “for two years” until the day she was told Zahra was missing.  Oh, and she claims she was told Zahra was missing on October 12th.  BUT, the truth of the matter is Emily Dietrich, Zahra’s mother, finally found Zahra through a friend who saw Zahra’s pictures taken in North Carolina. Included in those photos were pictures of Zahra as taken by Jennifer Moxley, reporting for Channel 14, as well as two photos that were snapshots taken by either Elisa or Adam Baker.  Those pictures were transferred from Karen Baker’s Facebook account and sent to Emily Dietrich on October 4th.

Emily asked her friend to contact Karen Baker and see if Emily could please speak to her daughter.  According to a source close to Adam, three days before Zahra went missing Karen Baker contacted Adam Baker and told him Emily had found Zahra and wanted to speak to her.  After the conversation with his mother a heated argument ensued between Elisa Baker and Adam Baker about the situation.  Zahra overheard the argument and confronted her father.  (Most likely because she had been lied to her whole life that her mommy didn’t want anything to do with her, and now she was hearing that her mommy wanted to speak to her.)

The next day the Bakers (Elisa and Adam) are reported to have discarded Zahra’s old mattress and replaced it with a new one.  Two days later they would report Zahra missing.

Now let’s talk about Aaron Young.  Aaron the ex-husband and fake brother of Elisa Baker.  Aaron Young the “we love Zahra” cheerleader who confusingly announced he was getting married on the same day Zahra was reported missing, states he hadn’t talked to Elisa or the family since either August or February (depending on which version you want to go with), and then flamboyantly revealed that Zahra was supposed to be in his wedding (that wasn’t announced until after she was missing)?  Yeah, that Aaron Young.  The reported “meth cooker” of the area.  The same one Elisa and Adam Baker are said to have been distributing for.  THAT Aaron Young.

OH – and the same Aaron Young, who according to the source, has a cousin who just got named in a published warrant, one Timothy Samuel “Sammy” Young, for allegedly raping Zahra Baker.  This same Timothy “Sammy” Young has been sitting in jail since about the same time as Elisa Baker.   [UPDATE:  Timothy "Sammy" Young apparently bailed out of jail today!]  By the way, Lewis James Young, the second man listed as allegedly raping Zahra, he’s reported to be “Sammy’s” cousin {correction}…so, yeah, I guess that would make him Aaron’s cousin as well {correction – atually Lewis is Aaron’s brother!, so we’ve got cousin and brother involved in an alleged rape of Zahra}.  Mysteriously, according to Adam’s friend, “the source”, Aaron Young and Elisa Baker both had told family and friends that Timothy “Sammy” Young had died!  Apparently Elisa and Aaron continued to see Sammy…long after his death.

So why did Aaron and Elisa tell people Sammy had died?  Why did Aaron Young tell Brittany Starbuck and the kids that “cousin Sammy” had died?

Why did Aaron Young tell people on Facebook that Elisa and Adam did NOT go to the Oktoberfest, when now we see they did! [People have missed my facetiousness in this previous statement...my point is, how does Aaron know they weren't there!  Was he with them assisting in whatever they really were doing that evening?] And why did Aaron Young post just 2 days after Zahra went missing that she didn’t deserve to go through that type of violence?  No one, at that time, had mentioned anything about violence.

Adam, Adam, Adam…Aaron…Karen…who can you trust when you’ve surrounded yourselves with the untrustworthy?  And on what can you stand when you’re standing on the wrong side of history.

Valhall.

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/11/30/zahra-baker-case-warrants-released-and-lies-uncovered/ (http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/11/30/zahra-baker-case-warrants-released-and-lies-uncovered/)


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Post by: no rose colored glasses on December 01, 2010, 11:51:22 AM
sassifrass thank-you for that article. Are we now going to hear that meth was the cause of all this? Meth was the cause of allowing Zahra to be raped, Meth was the cause of taking a deceased child and dismembering her and throwing her remains and belongings like they were nothing? Meth made them all go crazy and take their evilness out on a little child?  ::MonkeyNoNo::


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Post by: sassifrass on December 01, 2010, 11:58:52 AM
sassifrass thank-you for that article. Are we now going to hear that meth was the cause of all this? Meth was the cause of allowing Zahra to be raped, Meth was the cause of taking a deceased child and dismembering her and throwing her remains and belongings like they were nothing? Meth made them all go crazy and take their evilness out on a little child?  ::MonkeyNoNo::

YVW NRCG.  ::MonkeyAngel::


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Post by: crazybabyborg on December 01, 2010, 11:59:09 AM
NRCG, I know that sometimes my posts seem "Pollyanna-ish", but the only way I can get through this case is to consistently remind myself that for Zahra, the pain has been erased. I honestly believe that Jessica and Zahra are sliding down rainbows and that their laughter is woven into Heaven's glorious song.

I have a much harder time grasping that evil, like Zahra endured, exists in a sleepy little town like Hickory. I can't grasp that she suffered  at the hands of her own Father. I want all that hurt her to suffer like she did. I want them to feel afraid and helpless. I want them to learn empathy in terror since it was never born in love.



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Post by: crazybabyborg on December 01, 2010, 12:03:41 PM
I hope someone kills Adam, but he needs to be tortured first.
Wonder how Ma Baker feels about Sonny Boy now.

Hiya, Curly! As unbelievable as it is, I predict complete denial on Ma Baker's part.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


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Post by: SunnyinTX on December 01, 2010, 12:14:44 PM
After reading all the search warrant material, why is Adam walking the streets? Maybe they are hoping that someone kills him, I know, that is wrong, and that isn't reality. But you do have to wonder  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I am wondering the same thing....and why has no one been charged???


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Post by: no rose colored glasses on December 01, 2010, 12:15:52 PM
NRCG, I know that sometimes my posts seem "Pollyanna-ish", but the only way I can get through this case is to consistently remind myself that for Zahra, the pain has been erased. I honestly believe that Jessica and Zahra are sliding down rainbows and that their laughter is woven into Heaven's glorious song.

I have a much harder time grasping that evil, like Zahra endured, exists in a sleepy little town like Hickory. I can't grasp that she suffered  at the hands of her own Father. I want all that hurt her to suffer like she did. I want them to feel afraid and helpless. I want them to learn empathy in terror since it was never born in love.


::MonkeyAngel::  That is the only way, to know the suffering has stopped and they are at peace. I keep thinking about Emily, and pray she is doing alright, though can't comprehend how you could be alright  ::MonkeyNoNo::


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Post by: NM on December 01, 2010, 12:17:48 PM
Zahra Baker case: Warrants released, and lies uncovered
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Those pictures were transferred from Karen Baker’s Facebook account and sent to Emily Dietrich on October 4th.

Emily asked her friend to contact Karen Baker and see if Emily could please speak to her daughter.  According to a source close to Adam, three days before Zahra went missing Karen Baker contacted Adam Baker and told him Emily had found Zahra and wanted to speak to her.  After the conversation with his mother a heated argument ensued between Elisa Baker and Adam Baker about the situation.  Zahra overheard the argument and confronted her father.  (Most likely because she had been lied to her whole life that her mommy didn’t want anything to do with her, and now she was hearing that her mommy wanted to speak to her.)

The next day the Bakers (Elisa and Adam) are reported to have discarded Zahra’s old mattress and replaced it with a new one.  Two days later they would report Zahra missing.

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Valhall.

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/11/30/zahra-baker-case-warrants-released-and-lies-uncovered/ (http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/11/30/zahra-baker-case-warrants-released-and-lies-uncovered/)
Wow, that would be Wednesday Oct 6) the day ab told police he last saw Zahra


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Post by: Desdemona on December 01, 2010, 12:33:04 PM
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 :smt049  RIP Sweet ~ Zahra ~, beautiful brave girl.  I'm so sorry, baby.  Weeping for you, there are no words.  :smt049


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Post by: luvmyboys on December 01, 2010, 01:21:31 PM
Hey you guys how are you all doing? I was wanting to know if the documents have been released to the public yet?


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Post by: darla on December 01, 2010, 01:26:49 PM
Good Afternoon Monkeys and Guest!

The release of the search warrants has just about done me in. I have prayed so hard that however Zahra died that it was quick . I pray that now in Heaven all those horrific things are no longer remembered and that God and the Angels were there with her when she was being brutalized. I can't ask God to even have mercy on their souls. I am a very peaceful person, but this is one time I hope there is some vigilante justice. These people need to die a horrific death with the Devil waiting to take them to the bottom level of hell!

God Bless you Angel Zahra....I am so sorry I was not there to help you. You would have been so loved in my family.

I am reminded of the bible verse....Jesus Wept! 
I am comforted by knowing the Lord never left your side. Rest in Peace Sweet Angel! You deserved so much more.


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Post by: Irish Monkey on December 01, 2010, 01:30:24 PM
CHARLOTTE -- Wednesday, Hickory Police officials said they may release more information about SBI lab results they've been waiting for in the Zahra Baker case. Meanwhile, the search warrants released Tuesday shed some light on the investigation into Zahra's death.


http://triangle.news14.com/content/video_stories/633455/sbi-lab-results-may-be-released-in-zahra-baker-case?ap=1&MP4


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Post by: Irish Monkey on December 01, 2010, 01:31:48 PM
Hey you guys how are you all doing? I was wanting to know if the documents have been released to the public yet?

There are links to all the warrants at the website I just posted.    ::MonkeyMad::


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Post by: doselady51 on December 01, 2010, 01:32:38 PM
Zahra Baker case: Warrants released, and lies uncovered
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Those pictures were transferred from Karen Baker’s Facebook account and sent to Emily Dietrich on October 4th.

Emily asked her friend to contact Karen Baker and see if Emily could please speak to her daughter.  According to a source close to Adam, three days before Zahra went missing Karen Baker contacted Adam Baker and told him Emily had found Zahra and wanted to speak to her.  After the conversation with his mother a heated argument ensued between Elisa Baker and Adam Baker about the situation.  Zahra overheard the argument and confronted her father.  (Most likely because she had been lied to her whole life that her mommy didn’t want anything to do with her, and now she was hearing that her mommy wanted to speak to her.)

The next day the Bakers (Elisa and Adam) are reported to have discarded Zahra’s old mattress and replaced it with a new one.  Two days later they would report Zahra missing.

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Valhall.

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/11/30/zahra-baker-case-warrants-released-and-lies-uncovered/ (http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/11/30/zahra-baker-case-warrants-released-and-lies-uncovered/)
Wow, that would be Wednesday Oct 6) the day ab told police he last saw Zahra
I have been wondering for a while if Adam Baker had been sexually abusing his daughter and that is why he was consistently staying one step ahead of the biological mother finding them.  He and his new wife were hiding the sexual abuse and didn't want the bio-mom to have contact.  Hence they moved constantly to stay ahead of the game.  It also fits with the home-schooling and no contact with outsiders.  Just a thought and opinion.  Definately evil resided in that home for many years. 


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Post by: Irish Monkey on December 01, 2010, 01:32:47 PM
Excuse my manners...good afternoon all!  I wish we had a "I am beyond sick over this Monkey" icon.......


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Post by: luvmyboys on December 01, 2010, 01:50:45 PM
Thanks for the link irish monkey :)


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Post by: Nut44x4 on December 01, 2010, 01:54:47 PM
Very good question, NRCG! It's one I've been asking myself. It seems that maybe no one in Zahra's life was anything less than a monster!
I hope that I say this the right way it has been haunting me.  It is always horrific and sickening when a child or woman is raped, but the thought of a child that survived cancer, has a partial leg, and hearing aides is raped like this, it makes it so much worse for me. I actually got an upset stomach and almost vomited when I read this yesterday. Jessica lunsford and Zahra Clare Baker will be forever in my mind.   ::MonkeyAngel::

Indeed.... I just cannot stop  ::MonkeyNoNo:: . This is the sickest of the sick.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


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Post by: Missiontoconvict on December 01, 2010, 01:55:48 PM
NRCG, I know that sometimes my posts seem "Pollyanna-ish", but the only way I can get through this case is to consistently remind myself that for Zahra, the pain has been erased. I honestly believe that Jessica and Zahra are sliding down rainbows and that their laughter is woven into Heaven's glorious song.

I have a much harder time grasping that evil, like Zahra endured, exists in a sleepy little town like Hickory. I can't grasp that she suffered  at the hands of her own Father. I want all that hurt her to suffer like she did. I want them to feel afraid and helpless. I want them to learn empathy in terror since it was never born in love.


Amen CBB.  I have struggled with being able to put how I feel about this case into words and you did - thank you.  RIP Zahra no one will ever ever harm you again.  ::MonkeyAngel::


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Post by: Irish Monkey on December 01, 2010, 01:55:56 PM
Thanks for the link irish monkey :)

Not sure you'll be thanking me after you read all of them.....        ::MonkeyNoNo::


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Post by: Love2Read on December 01, 2010, 02:20:42 PM
Good afternoon everyone.

From the begining I thought this was the saddest case I had ever seen, now with the release of these documents, I am more heartsick than before.  I cannot wrap my mind around what this innocent child was put through and how her body was discarded like trash.

When all is said and done, I hope everyone who had a hand in this childs demise and disposal gets met at the doors of hell by the devil himself and I hope that for all eternity, over and over,  he does to them what they did to Zahra.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: starwynn on December 01, 2010, 02:48:31 PM
In the warrants, I see where they're asking for AB's cell phone information.  I hadn't really thought about whether or not they would be able to get pings off of his cell phone concerning where he was during the assumed disposal time of poor Zahra. That also leads me to believe that maybe they could also get EB's same pings, etc?  What do you guys think?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Irish Monkey on December 01, 2010, 03:07:08 PM
In the warrants, I see where they're asking for AB's cell phone information.  I hadn't really thought about whether or not they would be able to get pings off of his cell phone concerning where he was during the assumed disposal time of poor Zahra. That also leads me to believe that maybe they could also get EB's same pings, etc?  What do you guys think?


I totally agree with you.  Triangulating those pings takes time, IIRC, so that maybe one reason that AB is still walking around.  MOO


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Post by: Brandi on December 01, 2010, 03:08:10 PM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/ZahraClareBaker/LJY.png)

So LJY (above) is Aaron Young's brother. The other man is "Sammy," who is a cousin to Aaron and LJY.

Just trying to get this straight.

This guy above has a record longer than his arm, from countless driving violations, including hit and run, to possession of drug paraphernalia, cocaine possession, probation violations, larceny, assault on a female and protective order violation, to name just a few.

Amazing to me he is walking the streets.

(Thanks to pink angel for posting links to the law records a few pages back.)


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: starwynn on December 01, 2010, 03:13:29 PM
I finally got through all of the pages of warrants.  (eyes boggling)  One thing that is bothering me is that people (particularly the Nancy Grace show) keep saying that the warrants say that Zahra's body parts were dumped in a dumpster.  But that's not what the warrants say at all.  And it doesn't fit the facts.  Her body parts were transported in the comforter and the car cover (apparently in plastic bags), and then the comforter and car cover were dumped in a dumpster.  Not the body.  I know they like to sensationalize, but good Lord - isn't this gruesome enough without adding MORE to it.  It's becoming a major pet peeve for me, and I'm really surprised that supposed lawyer-types (who you would think would have an eye for details about wording) would get it right.

/rant over.    ::MonkeyEek::


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Post by: no rose colored glasses on December 01, 2010, 03:30:40 PM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/ZahraClareBaker/LJY.png)

So LJY (above) is Aaron Young's brother. The other man is "Sammy," who is a cousin to Aaron and LJY.

Just trying to get this straight.

This guy above has a record longer than his arm, from countless driving violations, including hit and run, to possession of drug paraphernalia, cocaine possession, probation violations, larceny, assault on a female and protective order violation, to name just a few.

Amazing to me he is walking the streets.

(Thanks to pink angel for posting links to the law records a few pages back.)
::MonkeyEek:: Just wow, and with all that, this man who looks as dumb as a box of rocks, is walking around.


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Post by: Terri on December 01, 2010, 03:54:01 PM
I finally got through all of the pages of warrants.  (eyes boggling)  One thing that is bothering me is that people (particularly the Nancy Grace show) keep saying that the warrants say that Zahra's body parts were dumped in a dumpster.  But that's not what the warrants say at all.  And it doesn't fit the facts.  Her body parts were transported in the comforter and the car cover (apparently in plastic bags), and then the comforter and car cover were dumped in a dumpster.  Not the body.  I know they like to sensationalize, but good Lord - isn't this gruesome enough without adding MORE to it.  It's becoming a major pet peeve for me, and I'm really surprised that supposed lawyer-types (who you would think would have an eye for details about wording) would get it right.

/rant over.    ::MonkeyEek::
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I so agree with you...the truth is more horrendous than any drama the "news shows" can create.


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Post by: no rose colored glasses on December 01, 2010, 03:57:47 PM
I finally got through all of the pages of warrants.  (eyes boggling)  One thing that is bothering me is that people (particularly the Nancy Grace show) keep saying that the warrants say that Zahra's body parts were dumped in a dumpster.  But that's not what the warrants say at all.  And it doesn't fit the facts.  Her body parts were transported in the comforter and the car cover (apparently in plastic bags), and then the comforter and car cover were dumped in a dumpster.  Not the body.  I know they like to sensationalize, but good Lord - isn't this gruesome enough without adding MORE to it.  It's becoming a major pet peeve for me, and I'm really surprised that supposed lawyer-types (who you would think would have an eye for details about wording) would get it right.

/rant over.    ::MonkeyEek::
[/quote

I so agree with you...the truth is more horrendous than any drama the "news shows" can create.

I was so mixed up, that is what I thought and couldn't figure out what was in the hole in the woods. Thank-you for clearing that up, the comforter and car cover were dumped in a dumpster  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Terri on December 01, 2010, 04:18:25 PM
Good evening all,

I had stopped following this thread last week thinking justice for Zahra would be sloooow.  Last night as I was playing with the remote I heard a blurb about the new info on Nancy Grace. 

I think I have more words for Adam's mother than for anyone else.  In addition to being an "older mother", I am a grandmother.  Woe be to the SOB that hurt one of mine.  I know beyond any shadow of a doubt that even"IF" AB only got involved after the fact (B.S. ) I would despise him for hurting her body.  Enough.....I am getting sick and starting to cry just trying to voice my opinion.  There really isn't anything that hasn't been felt and said about those involved. 

As for the rape allegations;  seems to me, where there is smoke there is fire.  There are always "truths' mixed in with the lies.  Even if these men did not rape Zahra as alleged, things along those lines had to have happened even if those involved are different.  EB did not just make that stuff up out of the blue.  And actual names given?  I am very confused by this.

And while none of the players look like meth or major crack addicts to me, I have had crack addicted clients put their ten year olds on the street to pay for the drugs. 

This cannot go on....it really can't.  Who could ever look at these people the same way again?  Who could ever want to associate, employ, rent to, etc. these people?  I know I am not being fair or realistic, but I am getting disgusted with LE for not rounding up all of them...even Adam's mother.  There is no good reason for them to be free.   

While I cannot bare to watch Jessica Lunsford's father, this case, just as Shanai's is worse for me because the despicable acts came at the hands of those who had the privilege of being chosen to protect them.

Does anyone know who the "source" is for Valhall's article?  I could easily see EB killing Zahra in a rage if she asked about her mother. 

End of rant.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Starlit on December 01, 2010, 04:28:06 PM
The warrants says that Elisa was angry with Adams Boss.
Why was she angry with him?
I maybe have missed it, anyone know?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Terri on December 01, 2010, 04:29:57 PM
I am sorry I got mixed up...the allegations of rape came from a distant source, not EB.

I also wanted to say I live in a 2,000 sq ft house with a finished basement.  Do not think for one moment I do not know everything that is going on in my home.  I also know how to read my family.   When my 20 year old tried to hide the fact his lizard had died and he was upset, I knew something was off.   I knew when my nephew began using again ( and he is very good at what he does ).  That is the way family is....we know even if we pretend otherwise to ourselves.

So, no one can tell me AB did not know everything that was going on in that house.  There is no way he could not see his daughter was sad, hurting, not being treated as a cherished child in his home. So, IMOO, AB knew every detail and was involved.  Likely benefitting from the abuse of Zahra.

Terri


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Post by: Nightowl on December 01, 2010, 04:50:52 PM
Good morning Monkeys, not sure if this has been posted yet but this is an article from the Townsville Bulletin with some comments from KB regarding the search warrants.

http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/article/2010/12/02/189011_news.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Curly on December 01, 2010, 04:54:53 PM
The warrants says that Elisa was angry with Adams Boss.
Why was she angry with him?
I maybe have missed it, anyone know?

No. I haven't heard anything relating to that issue.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 01, 2010, 04:57:20 PM
Good morning Monkeys, not sure if this has been posted yet but this is an article from the Townsville Bulletin with some comments from KB regarding the search warrants.

http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/article/2010/12/02/189011_news.html

I had not seen this photo.  This is beyond sickening and sad what this child went through. 

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/ZahraBirthday.jpg)


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Post by: Brandi on December 01, 2010, 05:04:30 PM
Crime Lab: DNA From Bones Match Zahra Baker's

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS • December 1, 2010
HICKORY — The state crime lab says DNA taken from bones found in Caldwell County match a sample from Zahra Baker, the disabled girl who was reported missing last month.

A statement issued Wednesday by Hickory police says the State Bureau of Investigation's crime lab confirmed that the remains were Zahra's.

Investigators expected that result when they announced the discovery of the remains last month.

Police are still investigating. The 10-year-old girl was reported missing on Oct. 9. Police have found her remains in two sites around Caldwell County. No one has been charged in her death.

Her stepmother, Elisa Baker, is in jail on charges of obstructing the investigation. Her father, Adam Baker, is on bail after being arrested on unrelated charges.
http://www.citizen-times.com/article/20101201/NEWS/101201032/Crime-Lab-DNA-from-bones-match-Zahra-Baker-s


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Nightowl on December 01, 2010, 05:12:30 PM
Good morning Monkeys, not sure if this has been posted yet but this is an article from the Townsville Bulletin with some comments from KB regarding the search warrants.

http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/article/2010/12/02/189011_news.html

I had not seen this photo.  This is beyond sickening and sad what this child went through. 

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/ZahraBirthday.jpg)
I hadn't seen this photo either Klaas, can't help notice the bandage on her head.  I think I counted 7 candles on that cake.  So dreadfully sad.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on December 01, 2010, 05:17:43 PM
The possibility that the evil step-coward could recieve some type of plea deal in this case is wrong.

She deserves the death penalty along with anyone else who caused Zahra Baker to die.

The potential for Zahra to have succumbed due to internal injuries caused by rape seem significant. I agree with others who believe that the 40 something year old Goth-Monster was likely drawing men into her circle in order to exploit them for their money.
I do not like to use the word hate but I cannot help it when it comes to people who harm Children in any way. I despise them all.

 ::MonkeyMad::

Rest in Peace little Zahra.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on December 01, 2010, 05:23:00 PM
I am sorry I got mixed up...the allegations of rape came from a distant source, not EB.

I also wanted to say I live in a 2,000 sq ft house with a finished basement.  Do not think for one moment I do not know everything that is going on in my home.  I also know how to read my family.   When my 20 year old tried to hide the fact his lizard had died and he was upset, I knew something was off.   I knew when my nephew began using again ( and he is very good at what he does ).  That is the way family is....we know even if we pretend otherwise to ourselves.

So, no one can tell me AB did not know everything that was going on in that house.  There is no way he could not see his daughter was sad, hurting, not being treated as a cherished child in his home. So, IMOO, AB knew every detail and was involved.  Likely benefitting from the abuse of Zahra.

Terri
I could not agree more, there is no way that Adam didn't know what was going on, for Heaven's sake Zahra was dismembered in the bathtub  ::MonkeyNoNo::


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Post by: Brandi on December 01, 2010, 05:51:43 PM
SBI: Remains found near Dudley Shoals Road match Zahra's DNA
By: News 14 Carolina Staff
CHARLOTTE -- Results from lab tests released Wednesday confirmed the remains found along Dudley Shoals Road in Caldwell County matched DNA from Zahra Baker's personal items.

On Oct. 26, Elisa Baker took police to multiple locations where Zahra's remains and evidence could be found. More than two weeks later, police recovered human remains buried along the creek at Dudley Shoals Road and Burns Road.

Hickory Police said they are still waiting on the test results comparing Zahra's mother's DNA to the remains.

Meanwhile, the search warrants released Tuesday shed some light on the investigation into Zahra's death.

The 122 pages made public Tuesday answered some questions but raised many more. While these documents reveal some of the directions the Hickory Police Department was investigating, it's still only one side of the case. For example, an informant told police they heard from someone, who heard from someone else, that Zahra may have been sexually assaulted.

The warrant names 35-year-old Timothy Samuel Young, he goes by Sammy. He was released on bond Tuesday on unrelated charges. Sources say he refused a lie detector test but was interviewed twice at the Hickory Police Department.

The warrant also names his cousin, Lewis James Young, as a possible suspect in the sexual assault. Lewis is Elisa Baker's former brother-in-law. He said he passed two lie detector tests and the allegations against him in this warrant are not true but he can't speak for Sammy Young.

"I cant say for sure that he didn't but my mind can't wrap around the fact that he would do anything like that," said Lewis Young.

There are two more search warrants the judge did not make public. A hearing will be held on Dec. 13 to see if they will be released.

Warrants available at this site also.
http://charlotte.news14.com/content/top_stories/633455/sbi--remains-found-near-dudley-shoals-road-match-zahra-s-dna


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on December 01, 2010, 06:05:57 PM
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=121122   Aaron Young is posting at WS he is using the name Railbugfreak.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Brandi on December 01, 2010, 06:25:22 PM
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=121122   Aaron Young is posting at WS he is using the name Railbugfreak.

Thanks.

He's got a lot of questions to answer when he gets back. LOL


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on December 01, 2010, 06:29:52 PM
He hasn't disclosed anything on there that he didn't say on FB.
His GF is Sunflowerfairy.
At least he is using the same name he used on his previous, pre Zahra internet things and he has said who he was, but I don't trust him, nor do I believe him. He was too tight with Adam Baker and they were all on imvu together.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on December 01, 2010, 06:32:24 PM
I don't trust him either  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 01, 2010, 06:32:28 PM
He hasn't disclosed anything on there that he didn't say on FB.
His GF is Sunflowerfairy.
At least he is using the same name he used on his previous, pre Zahra internet things and he has said who he was, but I don't trust him, nor do I believe him. He was too tight with Adam Baker and they were all on imvu together.

Kat_Gram - I agree.  Someone asked me if I should invite him to SM but I'd just as soon watch it play out at WS.  I don't trust him one bit.  I'd really like to know what he saw in Elisa and visa versa for that matter.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Love2Read on December 01, 2010, 06:35:59 PM
Good morning Monkeys, not sure if this has been posted yet but this is an article from the Townsville Bulletin with some comments from KB regarding the search warrants.

http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/article/2010/12/02/189011_news.html

Thanks for that link, Nightowl.

I find it interesting that Adam "went white as a ghost and collapsed" when he heard the rape allegations on the news.  Reminds me of Casey when Caylee's body was discovered.
He is upset because now he knows the jig is up...I hope they all rot in hell for what has happened to Zahra.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Brandi on December 01, 2010, 06:38:12 PM
He hasn't disclosed anything on there that he didn't say on FB.
His GF is Sunflowerfairy.
At least he is using the same name he used on his previous, pre Zahra internet things and he has said who he was, but I don't trust him, nor do I believe him. He was too tight with Adam Baker and they were all on imvu together.

I read all that is there so far and learned nothing new.

I also do not trust him.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Brandi on December 01, 2010, 06:39:03 PM
Good morning Monkeys, not sure if this has been posted yet but this is an article from the Townsville Bulletin with some comments from KB regarding the search warrants.

http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/article/2010/12/02/189011_news.html

Thanks for that link, Nightowl.

I find it interesting that Adam "went white as a ghost and collapsed" when he heard the rape allegations on the news.  Reminds me of Casey when Caylee's body was discovered.
He is upset because now he knows the jig is up...I hope they all rot in hell for what has happened to Zahra.

I totally agree.

He is afraid for himself.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: 4 Donks on December 01, 2010, 07:14:08 PM
Good morning Monkeys, not sure if this has been posted yet but this is an article from the Townsville Bulletin with some comments from KB regarding the search warrants.

http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/article/2010/12/02/189011_news.html

Thanks for that link, Nightowl.

I find it interesting that Adam "went white as a ghost and collapsed" when he heard the rape allegations on the news.  Reminds me of Casey when Caylee's body was discovered.
He is upset because now he knows the jig is up...I hope they all rot in hell for what has happened to Zahra.

I totally agree.

He is afraid for himself.

I really think if mommie dearest had stayed in Australia AB would have confessed his part by now but with KB's skirt to hide behind and her aggressive attitude he'll just keep quiet and let her handle it. I'm sure she's an expert at it having done it his whole life.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 01, 2010, 07:16:14 PM
Issues with JVM - HLN

Right Now!!

Janet



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on December 01, 2010, 07:36:14 PM
Issues: TIP: They (LE) cut a deal for details with Elesa. They took capitol punishment off the table and are now trying to back pedal on the deal.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on December 01, 2010, 07:38:08 PM
Issues: TIP: They (LE) cut a deal for details with Elesa. They took capitol punishment off the table and are now trying to back pedal on the deal.
I had a feeling that is what happened, and don't think back pedaling is going to work  ::MonkeyNoNo:: I hope it works.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on December 01, 2010, 07:43:18 PM
They just said that one of the guys that allegedly raped Zahra refused to take a lie detector test.

LE is NOT going to be popular with all of America if they made a deal to take away the DP for Elesa, and can't get out of it.

I have to wonder, however, how far they would have gotten without the info Elesa supplied to them.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on December 01, 2010, 07:52:00 PM
They just said that one of the guys that allegedly raped Zahra refused to take a lie detector test.

LE is NOT going to be popular with all of America if they made a deal to take away the DP for Elesa, and can't get out of it.

I have to wonder, however, how far they would have gotten without the info Elesa supplied to them.
That is the problem, sometimes you have to make a deal with the devil  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: 4 Donks on December 01, 2010, 07:52:49 PM
They just said that one of the guys that allegedly raped Zahra refused to take a lie detector test.

LE is NOT going to be popular with all of America if they made a deal to take away the DP for Elesa, and can't get out of it.

I have to wonder, however, how far they would have gotten without the info Elesa supplied to them.
LWOP in general population will be a death sentence. She'd probably live longer with a death sentence considering how long it takes to go through all the appeals and she would be segregated.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on December 01, 2010, 08:01:50 PM
They just said that one of the guys that allegedly raped Zahra refused to take a lie detector test.

LE is NOT going to be popular with all of America if they made a deal to take away the DP for Elesa, and can't get out of it.

I have to wonder, however, how far they would have gotten without the info Elesa supplied to them.



I think LE and others desperately wanted to find Zahra's remains.  I believe they knew she was deceased, but wanted to recover whatever they could, and that's why the deal was made with with Elisa to take the DP off the table (if this in fact true).  I'm thinking back to the various locations that were searched and how difficult the terrain and etc. was when the searchers were working, not to mention dismemberment making it more difficult. 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on December 01, 2010, 08:01:58 PM
OMG............ NG: "massive tissue and blood samples taken from the Baker home."

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on December 01, 2010, 08:04:24 PM
Jinkasaurus is in for NG. I can take her a little more easily than I can take NG.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on December 01, 2010, 08:06:11 PM
There was so much blood in the home that they called in a blood spatter expert to go inside.

Body tissue found on the walls.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on December 01, 2010, 08:08:06 PM
Very good question, NRCG! It's one I've been asking myself. It seems that maybe no one in Zahra's life was anything less than a monster!
I hope that I say this the right way it has been haunting me.  It is always horrific and sickening when a child or woman is raped, but the thought of a child that survived cancer, has a partial leg, and hearing aides is raped like this, it makes it so much worse for me. I actually got an upset stomach and almost vomited when I read this yesterday. Jessica lunsford and Zahra Clare Baker will be forever in my mind.   ::MonkeyAngel::

OMGosh this case is horrific...


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on December 01, 2010, 08:08:07 PM
OMG............ NG: "massive tissue and blood samples taken from the Baker home."

 ::MonkeyNoNo::
::MonkeyNoNo:: I'm guessing from the drains?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on December 01, 2010, 08:10:37 PM
OMG............ NG: "massive tissue and blood samples taken from the Baker home."

 ::MonkeyNoNo::
::MonkeyNoNo:: I'm guessing from the drains?

I'm sure the drains will be found to have blood traces, but I'm thinking that if a blood spatter expert was needed, it was for areas other than the drains?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on December 01, 2010, 08:14:13 PM
Very good question, NRCG! It's one I've been asking myself. It seems that maybe no one in Zahra's life was anything less than a monster!
I hope that I say this the right way it has been haunting me.  It is always horrific and sickening when a child or woman is raped, but the thought of a child that survived cancer, has a partial leg, and hearing aides is raped like this, it makes it so much worse for me. I actually got an upset stomach and almost vomited when I read this yesterday. Jessica lunsford and Zahra Clare Baker will be forever in my mind.   ::MonkeyAngel::

OMGosh this case is horrific...

It's horrible, Tracy. It just makes me sick.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on December 01, 2010, 08:16:16 PM
Would someone mind either bumping a news article that has information about where this case is now or posting a summery?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: islandmonkey on December 01, 2010, 08:16:44 PM
I am sorry I got mixed up...the allegations of rape came from a distant source, not EB.

I also wanted to say I live in a 2,000 sq ft house with a finished basement.  Do not think for one moment I do not know everything that is going on in my home.  I also know how to read my family.   When my 20 year old tried to hide the fact his lizard had died and he was upset, I knew something was off.   I knew when my nephew began using again ( and he is very good at what he does ).  That is the way family is....we know even if we pretend otherwise to ourselves.

So, no one can tell me AB did not know everything that was going on in that house.  There is no way he could not see his daughter was sad, hurting, not being treated as a cherished child in his home. So, IMOO, AB knew every detail and was involved.  Likely benefitting from the abuse of Zahra.

Terri

ITA~not a shot in hell he didn't know, and I even wonder if he helped pimp her out for drug $$......these have got to be the most evil ppl I have ever read about and I sure hope they don't get off with dismembering a body (remember the case of that millionaire whacko who they think killed his first wife, great friend and then a neighbor?...he stated it was self defense and only served time for abuse of a corpse, he dismembered it, out it in trash bags and dumped in in the Gulf or bay off or Galveston). I can't recall his name, but it seems he was only caught because he stole a sandwich ......

That being said if they are charged with anything less than capital murder, I can imagine what might happen....ppl in that area sometimes tend to handle things their own way IYKWIM. I am somewhat familiar with this area as I was born in the Carolinas and vacationed in Boone, NC and have family in McKlenburg County. Lot of mountains with very heavy vegatation and I could see how someone could disappear very easily, never to be found again ::MonkeyWink::

God Bless Z ::MonkeyAngel::

The only thing that makes me able to handle these cases is that I know they are with thier heavenly father and when I think of all these precious children with Eli, it makes me feel better to know he has such incredibly special angels up there with him. ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on December 01, 2010, 08:24:38 PM
Would someone mind either bumping a news article that has information about where this case is now or posting a summery?

Tracy......... here is a link that you may find helpful:   ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.smh.com.au/world/grisly-claims-revealed-in-zahra-baker-case-20101201-18gaq.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Lazydog1 on December 01, 2010, 08:25:05 PM
I honestly don't know how you all do this case after case. I drop in and read and get very sick from all of this. Children are all so precious. I have only read this and about Kyron and posted a few times. The nightmares alone can be so overwhelming. 

The one thing I noticed when scanning thru the search warrants is there really is nothing about Adam in them. Not enough to seem as though they are really considering him to be a part of all of this. How can that be? He had to have known, he had to have seen the blood splatter on the walls and floor.

OMG! This is beyond belief.

Rest in peace precious child. You are with our Lord now and he will protect you for ever.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on December 01, 2010, 08:25:42 PM
OMG............ NG: "massive tissue and blood samples taken from the Baker home."

 ::MonkeyNoNo::
::MonkeyNoNo:: I'm guessing from the drains?

I'm sure the drains will be found to have blood traces, but I'm thinking that if a blood spatter expert was needed, it was for areas other than the drains?
You are right, just can't picture tissue on walls and floors  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Leroy on December 01, 2010, 08:30:43 PM
They just said that one of the guys that allegedly raped Zahra refused to take a lie detector test.

LE is NOT going to be popular with all of America if they made a deal to take away the DP for Elesa, and can't get out of it.

I have to wonder, however, how far they would have gotten without the info Elesa supplied to them.

I go back and forth on this myself...I'm sure finding the loved ones remains brings some closure to the family therefore taking the DP off the table in order to have that happen is a very very hard choice...but at the end of the day it does bring closure.

The difference to me is if LE asked the family if they are okay with making this deal with the devil.  If Emily had a choice, and agreed, then I am okay with it because I cannot imagine how horrible that decision would have been.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on December 01, 2010, 08:32:02 PM
Would someone mind either bumping a news article that has information about where this case is now or posting a summery?

Tracy......... here is a link that you may find helpful:   ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.smh.com.au/world/grisly-claims-revealed-in-zahra-baker-case-20101201-18gaq.html

Thank you CBB. I cannot believe no one has been arrested for her murder! Her father is still free? That is shocking! Who is said to have dismembered her? My god this case makes me want to vomit.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on December 01, 2010, 08:32:55 PM
NRCG? There was an expert on NG saying that a blood spatter specialist would be able to identify, perhaps, the tools used to dismember by looking at spatter. There was also inference that there was visible spatter on walls and floors and the specialist was wanted to attempt to weave facts from them.

Another interesting possibility was brought up. Perhaps Zahra was dismembered in the tub because they wanted to first wash her clean from any semen so that it couldn't be traced in the event she was found.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on December 01, 2010, 08:35:32 PM
Would someone mind either bumping a news article that has information about where this case is now or posting a summery?

Tracy......... here is a link that you may find helpful:   ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.smh.com.au/world/grisly-claims-revealed-in-zahra-baker-case-20101201-18gaq.html

Thank you CBB. I cannot believe no one has been arrested for her murder! Her father is still free? That is shocking! Who is said to have dismembered her? My god this case makes me want to vomit.

Well, it certainly appears she was dismembered in the home and Adam and Elisa lived there. Elisa says Adam dismembered her. Adam says he knows nothing about it, but nobody believes that.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Leroy on December 01, 2010, 08:35:58 PM
NRCG? There was an expert on NG saying that a blood spatter specialist would be able to identify, perhaps, the tools used to dismember by looking at spatter. There was also inference that there was visible spatter on walls and floors and the specialist was wanted to attempt to weave facts from them.

Another interesting possibility was brought up. Perhaps Zahra was dismembered in the tub because they wanted to first wash her clean from any semen so that it couldn't be traced in the event she was found.

I dont think I can read/listen any longer   ::MonkeyWaa::  ::MonkeyTears::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on December 01, 2010, 08:38:10 PM
They just said that one of the guys that allegedly raped Zahra refused to take a lie detector test.

LE is NOT going to be popular with all of America if they made a deal to take away the DP for Elesa, and can't get out of it.

I have to wonder, however, how far they would have gotten without the info Elesa supplied to them.

I go back and forth on this myself...I'm sure finding the loved ones remains brings some closure to the family therefore taking the DP off the table in order to have that happen is a very very hard choice...but at the end of the day it does bring closure.

The difference to me is if LE asked the family if they are okay with making this deal with the devil.  If Emily had a choice, and agreed, then I am okay with it because I cannot imagine how horrible that decision would have been.

Agreed, Leroy. I also think LE would have had a hard time gathering hard evidence and recovering Zahra's remains without Elisa's help. She actually took them to locations where they dumped body parts.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on December 01, 2010, 08:40:31 PM
NRCG? There was an expert on NG saying that a blood spatter specialist would be able to identify, perhaps, the tools used to dismember by looking at spatter. There was also inference that there was visible spatter on walls and floors and the specialist was wanted to attempt to weave facts from them.

Another interesting possibility was brought up. Perhaps Zahra was dismembered in the tub because they wanted to first wash her clean from any semen so that it couldn't be traced in the event she was found.
Oh, I just don't know what to say. Wonder if the tools were ever found? That is the only thing that I can come up with, they dismembered her in case she was found, and then wouldn't be able to find out about sexual abuse  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Brandi on December 01, 2010, 08:42:33 PM
They just said that one of the guys that allegedly raped Zahra refused to take a lie detector test.

LE is NOT going to be popular with all of America if they made a deal to take away the DP for Elesa, and can't get out of it.

I have to wonder, however, how far they would have gotten without the info Elesa supplied to them.

I go back and forth on this myself...I'm sure finding the loved ones remains brings some closure to the family therefore taking the DP off the table in order to have that happen is a very very hard choice...but at the end of the day it does bring closure.

The difference to me is if LE asked the family if they are okay with making this deal with the devil.  If Emily had a choice, and agreed, then I am okay with it because I cannot imagine how horrible that decision would have been.

Emily did spend quite some time talking with LE while she was here.

I wonder if that was discussed with her.

Emily left her discussions with LE with only praise for them.

What a nice woman. I feel so sad for her.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: cw618 on December 01, 2010, 08:43:02 PM
i listed the warrents here
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8809.msg1270963#msg1270963


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on December 01, 2010, 08:43:19 PM
There's never been a more horrendous case on SM. This one and Jessica Lundsford are the worst. I have to step away from it sometimes.    ::MonkeyTears::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Leroy on December 01, 2010, 08:46:37 PM
They just said that one of the guys that allegedly raped Zahra refused to take a lie detector test.

LE is NOT going to be popular with all of America if they made a deal to take away the DP for Elesa, and can't get out of it.

I have to wonder, however, how far they would have gotten without the info Elesa supplied to them.

I go back and forth on this myself...I'm sure finding the loved ones remains brings some closure to the family therefore taking the DP off the table in order to have that happen is a very very hard choice...but at the end of the day it does bring closure.

The difference to me is if LE asked the family if they are okay with making this deal with the devil.  If Emily had a choice, and agreed, then I am okay with it because I cannot imagine how horrible that decision would have been.

Emily did spend quite some time talking with LE while she was here.

I wonder if that was discussed with her.

Emily left her discussions with LE with only praise for them.

What a nice woman. I feel so sad for her.

So true Brandi.  I am all for Capital Punishment but lately general population is a heck of alot worse at times!  Either way, I hope she suffers every last minute of her pathetic life!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on December 01, 2010, 08:47:34 PM
If I were the owner of the house and property where this happened, I would approach the city with the idea of tearing down the house and making the property into a play park named for Zahra. I believe the city would buy the property from him for that purpose. The lot is plenty large enough for such a purpose, and it would serve the residents of the neighborhood well.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on December 01, 2010, 08:50:37 PM
There's never been a more horrendous case on SM. This one and Jessica Lundsford are the worst. I have to step away from it sometimes.    ::MonkeyTears::

I know CBB it is horrible, just one of the worse I can recall and that says alot! I pop in from time to time because I really don't have the mental strength to follow it. I appreciate your updates.

Adam lived in the house, of course he knew about it, what an arsehole he needs to be hung. 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: cw618 on December 01, 2010, 08:51:42 PM
 Emily Dietrich
your in my thoughts, my heart hurts for zahra and you

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on December 01, 2010, 08:57:12 PM
He hasn't disclosed anything on there that he didn't say on FB.
His GF is Sunflowerfairy.
At least he is using the same name he used on his previous, pre Zahra internet things and he has said who he was, but I don't trust him, nor do I believe him. He was too tight with Adam Baker and they were all on imvu together.

Kat_Gram - I agree.  Someone asked me if I should invite him to SM but I'd just as soon watch it play out at WS.  I don't trust him one bit.  I'd really like to know what he saw in Elisa and visa versa for that matter.
I just want to restate some FB old posts that my helper grabbed from someone.
He was pretty tight with both Bakers until ... he couldn't get his pain meds and he blamed EB.
That was Feb 3, 2010. I don't know if she took the bottle and got herself a refill or took the actual pills, but AY could not get any more for thirty days.
AFTER that, he reported her to DSS writing a two page letter.
AFTER that he tried to contact KB in AU on MySpace, but she wouldn't accept him as a friend as she didn't know him.
He took action against her or tried to because she took his pills.
Now in his own words : Aaron YoungOctober 17, 2010 at 1:28am
 "If you want to talk about people talk about DSS and Caldwell county sheriffs department. Otherwise shut your f*****g mouth and mind your own business as you obviously dont know what you are talking about. I did what I could, I wrote DSS a 2 page letter about what was going on, I called SBI and told about everything. If I understand the law right I dont think we are allowed to just walk in someones home, pick up a child, and just walk out with her. IS THAT RIGHT?????? "
"OH AND I ALSO TRYED TO CONTACT HER GRANDMOTHER IN AUSTRALIA BACK IN FEBRUARY TO TELL HER ALSO WHAT WAS GOING ON BUT I DIDNT KNOW HOW TO GET A HOLD OF HER AND SHE WOULDNT ACCEPT MY FREIND REQUEST ON MYSPACE BECAUSE SHE DIDNT KNOW ME."
Don't ask where I got that from, take my word for it, it is him and his words. I cut out the rest of the profanity.
...............
Now, he was tight with Adam and why did he have to try to get to KB when AB was right there in front of his face ? There is some drug/sex/imvu sick connection that Aaron didn't want broken /they need something from each other. He is doing a sales job on himself and before he is finished over at WS it will extend to AB. He loved Zahra a bit too much for me. I know that is an awful thing to say, but he is an awful person and the crimes against Zahra are awful.
 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: GrnLizrd on December 01, 2010, 09:00:03 PM
There's never been a more horrendous case on SM. This one and Jessica Lundsford are the worst. I have to step away from it sometimes.    ::MonkeyTears::

CBB I can promise you Ruthie and Archie and Mark(Marks Parents for those who dont know) NEVER acted like KB and AB for one second. Even when they were accussing each of them during the first 12 hours or so it was very bad very bad but never ACTING LIKE THESE PEOPLE or in Anthonys case. Oh wait... Thats because they didnt do anything and had nothing to hide and just wanted to find her!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on December 01, 2010, 09:00:56 PM
There's never been a more horrendous case on SM. This one and Jessica Lundsford are the worst. I have to step away from it sometimes.    ::MonkeyTears::
I agree with you, both cases are the hardest to deal with, and very hard to let go of. After watching the trial of John Couey, it still haunts me. Two beautiful little girls  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: GrnLizrd on December 01, 2010, 09:01:17 PM
I dont know if that made sense im so pissed about these people! All of them!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on December 01, 2010, 09:04:10 PM
Thanks Kat_Gram, I feel the same way, the whole lot of them are disgusting beings.  ::MonkeyNoNo::  Over a bottle of pills?  Figures


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on December 01, 2010, 09:04:34 PM
There's never been a more horrendous case on SM. This one and Jessica Lundsford are the worst. I have to step away from it sometimes.    ::MonkeyTears::

CBB I can promise you Ruthie and Archie and Mark(Marks Parents for those who dont know) NEVER acted like KB and AB for one second. Even when they were accussing each of them during the first 12 hours or so it was very bad very bad but never ACTING LIKE THESE PEOPLE or in Anthonys case. Oh wait... Thats because they didnt do anything and had nothing to hide and just wanted to find her!

I believe you, GrnLizard! That's part of why I feel this case might even be worse (if that's possible). Her own Father participated in what happened to Zahra, IMO! What happened to Jessica is unimaginable and I know her parents had nothing to do with it, and were desperate to find her.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on December 01, 2010, 09:05:51 PM
He hasn't disclosed anything on there that he didn't say on FB.
His GF is Sunflowerfairy.
At least he is using the same name he used on his previous, pre Zahra internet things and he has said who he was, but I don't trust him, nor do I believe him. He was too tight with Adam Baker and they were all on imvu together.

Kat_Gram - I agree.  Someone asked me if I should invite him to SM but I'd just as soon watch it play out at WS.  I don't trust him one bit.  I'd really like to know what he saw in Elisa and visa versa for that matter.
I just want to restate some FB old posts that my helper grabbed from someone.
He was pretty tight with both Bakers until ... he couldn't get his pain meds and he blamed EB.
That was Feb 3, 2010. I don't know if she took the bottle and got herself a refill or took the actual pills, but AY could not get any more for thirty days.
AFTER that, he reported her to DSS writing a two page letter.
AFTER that he tried to contact KB in AU on MySpace, but she wouldn't accept him as a friend as she didn't know him.
He took action against her or tried to because she took his pills.
Now in his own words : Aaron YoungOctober 17, 2010 at 1:28am
 "If you want to talk about people talk about DSS and Caldwell county sheriffs department. Otherwise shut your f*****g mouth and mind your own business as you obviously dont know what you are talking about. I did what I could, I wrote DSS a 2 page letter about what was going on, I called SBI and told about everything. If I understand the law right I dont think we are allowed to just walk in someones home, pick up a child, and just walk out with her. IS THAT RIGHT?????? "
"OH AND I ALSO TRYED TO CONTACT HER GRANDMOTHER IN AUSTRALIA BACK IN FEBRUARY TO TELL HER ALSO WHAT WAS GOING ON BUT I DIDNT KNOW HOW TO GET A HOLD OF HER AND SHE WOULDNT ACCEPT MY FREIND REQUEST ON MYSPACE BECAUSE SHE DIDNT KNOW ME."
Don't ask where I got that from, take my word for it, it is him and his words. I cut out the rest of the profanity.
...............
Now, he was tight with Adam and why did he have to try to get to KB when AB was right there in front of his face ? There is some drug/sex/imvu sick connection that Aaron didn't want broken /they need something from each other. He is doing a sales job on himself and before he is finished over at WS it will extend to AB. He loved Zahra a bit too much for me. I know that is an awful thing to say, but he is an awful person and the crimes against Zahra are awful.
 

Thank you, Kat_gram! I agree with everything you said!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: GrnLizrd on December 01, 2010, 09:10:12 PM
These people are beyond sick and this is unthinkable to us because our minds cant grasp it happening let alone from the very people that she had to trust. At the very least he should be in jail for neglect or anything. The thought that he can sit home and just watch the news and surf the web and whatever without so much as endangerment makes me sick! God help him if the wrong person sees him stick his head to the window


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Gypsy DD on December 01, 2010, 09:15:08 PM
Good morning Monkeys, not sure if this has been posted yet but this is an article from the Townsville Bulletin with some comments from KB regarding the search warrants.

http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/article/2010/12/02/189011_news.html

Thanks for that link, Nightowl.

I find it interesting that Adam "went white as a ghost and collapsed" when he heard the rape allegations on the news.  Reminds me of Casey when Caylee's body was discovered.
He is upset because now he knows the jig is up...I hope they all rot in hell for what has happened to Zahra.

ITA .....these people are beyond words, there just aren't words to describe their evil.
No words..none.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: 4 Donks on December 01, 2010, 09:22:30 PM
He hasn't disclosed anything on there that he didn't say on FB.
His GF is Sunflowerfairy.
At least he is using the same name he used on his previous, pre Zahra internet things and he has said who he was, but I don't trust him, nor do I believe him. He was too tight with Adam Baker and they were all on imvu together.

Kat_Gram - I agree.  Someone asked me if I should invite him to SM but I'd just as soon watch it play out at WS.  I don't trust him one bit.  I'd really like to know what he saw in Elisa and visa versa for that matter.
I just want to restate some FB old posts that my helper grabbed from someone.
He was pretty tight with both Bakers until ... he couldn't get his pain meds and he blamed EB.
That was Feb 3, 2010. I don't know if she took the bottle and got herself a refill or took the actual pills, but AY could not get any more for thirty days.
AFTER that, he reported her to DSS writing a two page letter.
AFTER that he tried to contact KB in AU on MySpace, but she wouldn't accept him as a friend as she didn't know him.
He took action against her or tried to because she took his pills.
Now in his own words : Aaron YoungOctober 17, 2010 at 1:28am
 "If you want to talk about people talk about DSS and Caldwell county sheriffs department. Otherwise shut your f*****g mouth and mind your own business as you obviously dont know what you are talking about. I did what I could, I wrote DSS a 2 page letter about what was going on, I called SBI and told about everything. If I understand the law right I dont think we are allowed to just walk in someones home, pick up a child, and just walk out with her. IS THAT RIGHT?????? "
"OH AND I ALSO TRYED TO CONTACT HER GRANDMOTHER IN AUSTRALIA BACK IN FEBRUARY TO TELL HER ALSO WHAT WAS GOING ON BUT I DIDNT KNOW HOW TO GET A HOLD OF HER AND SHE WOULDNT ACCEPT MY FREIND REQUEST ON MYSPACE BECAUSE SHE DIDNT KNOW ME."
Don't ask where I got that from, take my word for it, it is him and his words. I cut out the rest of the profanity.
...............
Now, he was tight with Adam and why did he have to try to get to KB when AB was right there in front of his face ? There is some drug/sex/imvu sick connection that Aaron didn't want broken /they need something from each other. He is doing a sales job on himself and before he is finished over at WS it will extend to AB. He loved Zahra a bit too much for me. I know that is an awful thing to say, but he is an awful person and the crimes against Zahra are awful.
 

Thank you, Kat_gram! I agree with everything you said!
Seems to me he is another Jason Name Redacted. Inserting himself in the case and then upset that people research him and question his version of events.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on December 01, 2010, 09:28:49 PM
OMG...Adam Baker is livin like 2 doors down from us with family...idk weather to be a lil freaked out or very f$#@in angry :-/
November 3 at 8:55am

From his neighbour. In Hudson. The neighbour never mentioned him again. The neighbour's Dad also lives there. They are on the same page as us, I won't give out the name of these peeps, nada to do with this.  I don't think they want peeps coming to their place looking for AB or KB, but several peeps in Hudson knows where they are.
I am an offical FB stalker.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on December 01, 2010, 09:33:18 PM
Some lady called either NG or ISSUES tonight (sorry, they just blend together, IMO) and said "Well I know where AB is! He's right down from where I live! I can tell you his apartment number if you want!"

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: sassifrass on December 01, 2010, 09:35:29 PM
I read through every page of those warrants, over 100 pages, several times. The hair and blood samples were found in Zahras bedroom. That's why part of the wall and flooring was removed in there.

Also, BOTH cars had picked up death scents. The blood samples found were those of Zahras. You can't tell me that, that pig, didn't know about it. Both cars were home and both had death scents on them. He knew and HE KNOWS.



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: statru on December 01, 2010, 09:38:21 PM
Maybe some of those boys in Caldwell County will go baker hunting.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on December 01, 2010, 09:39:09 PM
I read through every page of those warrants, over 100 pages, several times. The hair and blood samples were found in Zahras bedroom. That's why part of the wall and flooring was removed in there.

Also, BOTH cars had picked up death scents. The blood samples found were those of Zahras. You can't tell me that, that pig, didn't know about it. Both cars were home and both had death scents on them. He knew and HE KNOWS.



AB-SO-TIVE-LY!  Knew, Knows, and is going down!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Babybear on December 01, 2010, 09:55:50 PM
There's a town near me, Newport in Cocke County where, so they say, you can get someone killed for $50.  Not that I would ever do it you understand, but if anyone needed killing, it's AB and EB.  Heck, I'm even afraid to pass through Cocke County.  Got stopped there for speeding, once. That's because if I have to go through Cocke County I get on I40 and drive like a rocket.

I'm being silly because my mind can't comprehend the horrendous things these worthless pieces of dung did to that precious child. There must be a reason that AB hasn't been arrested and charged in her death, but for the life I me I can't imagine what that might be.  Elisa too.  It's like there's a coven of witches and wizards operating in Hickory.  And I thought they just made furniture there.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on December 01, 2010, 10:09:21 PM
IF "they" didn't really kill her,then why the NEED 4 all of the secrecy ?
MY GUT FEELING IS THAT:
Aaron (blabber mouth) Young is involved.

He jumped right in and started to tell everythng about nothing.

I feel he was being overly involved now, as nervous people r sometimes
inserting themselves into a situation to cover up guilt ?

I wonder if GothmonsterMOM has explained why Z was at the house where she left Z with the 2 men ?

My head hurts from all of this. I have never known anything more horrific.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on December 01, 2010, 10:20:09 PM
There's a town near me, Newport in Cocke County where, so they say, you can get someone killed for $50.  Not that I would ever do it you understand, but if anyone needed killing, it's AB and EB.  Heck, I'm even afraid to pass through Cocke County.  Got stopped there for speeding, once. That's because if I have to go through Cocke County I get on I40 and drive like a rocket.

I'm being silly because my mind can't comprehend the horrendous things these worthless pieces of dung did to that precious child. There must be a reason that AB hasn't been arrested and charged in her death, but for the life I me I can't imagine what that might be.  Elisa too.  It's like there's a coven of witches and wizards operating in Hickory.  And I thought they just made furniture there.

O/T
You live near Newport?? OMG! They have a really good Thai Restaurant there, but I NEVER go alone or after dark!   ::MonkeyNoNo:: If this had happened in Newport, I wouldn't be nearly as surprised. Hickory is such a sweet, quaint place. It just goes to show you, you can never tell...............


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: darla on December 01, 2010, 10:31:31 PM
Good Evening Monkeys and guest!


I would pay for the ammunition!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on December 01, 2010, 10:34:05 PM
AB is an AU citizen. Plus he is on shaky grounds even being in the US.
IF they charge him with the death penalty, then there is an issue as AU does not have the DP.
..
Canada does not have the DP and there were some cases here ( old ones ) where for some stupid reason, Canada had to not extradite to the US until they US removed the DP. I don't know why ( Canada ) just didn't snooze or watch hockey and say eh ? until the peeps were already extradited. AB has been in touch in the AU consulate 'cause he wants them to protect him just in case. And I guess they have to. Altho, I would prefer that they threw another shrimp on the barbee until after they fried his azz.
..
Tibrogargen would be able to explain how that would work in AU.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: SuzieQ on December 01, 2010, 10:36:23 PM
I too read through all the search warrents. Came across the name Audrey Comstock. The police interviewed her because Elisa had sent her husband Alvin a threat of some kind through his My-Space account. Alvin was apparently Elisa's father-in-law at some point. Anyway, I looked up Audrey and Alvin and guess what. They have the same group of friends as the rest of the nuts( I'm trying to be nice) in this case. Aaron and Kristy, Brittany and Amber, etc.
   What is this group anyway? Oh, and Audrey's nick is Sunflowerfairy on My-Space and Amber's nick is Gothicbabe 62285. I will not even post what kind of group I think this is. I think they are all responsible, if for nothing more than neglect.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: sassifrass on December 01, 2010, 10:37:04 PM
wanted to post all of the items that were taken from the house, according to the warrants.

33 blood samples
hair and tissue

tissue scraping from wall
cut section of floor
cut section of wall
cut section of door frame
carpet fibers
3 latex gloves hearing aid parts
knife w/sheath
cards for Zahra
stungun
5 cell phones
Kodak disposable camera
Sanyo digital camera w/memory card
photo CD w/negatives
photo of Zahra
red towel
8 empty pill bottles
2 pill bottles w/pills
set of crutches
TV/VCR combo


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: sassifrass on December 01, 2010, 10:39:27 PM
I think these nut jobs saw she was hurt and finished her off.  ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on December 01, 2010, 10:44:44 PM
IF "they" didn't really kill her,then why the NEED 4 all of the secrecy ?
MY GUT FEELING IS THAT:
Aaron (blabber mouth) Young is involved.

He jumped right in and started to tell everythng about nothing.

I feel he was being overly involved now, as nervous people r sometimes
inserting themselves into a situation to cover up guilt ?

I wonder if GothmonsterMOM has explained why Z was at the house where she left Z with the 2 men ?

My head hurts from all of this. I have never known anything more horrific.
.....
I don't know what his involvement is. The fact that he is sticking up for AB is nauseating.
..
I read it here quite a while ago that several persons went to the house, AB and relatives, friends and has a little thing by the tree in front of the house. AB was in the backyard fooling around in his wood piles. Bet he took some of his stuff from the yard with him.
..
Wish I belonged to WS just so I could get into their parking lot.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: 4 Donks on December 01, 2010, 10:46:40 PM
wanted to post all of the items that were taken from the house, according to the warrants.

33 blood samples
hair and tissue

tissue scraping from wall
cut section of floor
cut section of wall
cut section of door frame
carpet fibers
3 latex gloves hearing aid parts
knife w/sheath
cards for Zahra
stungun
5 cell phones
Kodak disposable camera
Sanyo digital camera w/memory card
photo CD w/negatives

photo of Zahra
red towel
8 empty pill bottles
2 pill bottles w/pills
set of crutches
TV/VCR combo
BBM
5 Cell phones,2 cameras & photo CD all with blood samples. All the phones are probably capable of taking pictures. Makes me sick to think they may have taken pictures while they were doing it to her. ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on December 01, 2010, 10:54:52 PM
I too read through all the search warrents. Came across the name Audrey Comstock. The police interviewed her because Elisa had sent her husband Alvin a threat of some kind through his My-Space account. Alvin was apparently Elisa's father-in-law at some point. Anyway, I looked up Audrey and Alvin and guess what. They have the same group of friends as the rest of the nuts( I'm trying to be nice) in this case. Aaron and Kristy, Brittany and Amber, etc.
   What is this group anyway? Oh, and Audrey's nick is Sunflowerfairy on My-Space and Amber's nick is Gothicbabe 62285. I will not even post what kind of group I think this is. I think they are all responsible, if for nothing more than neglect.
I thought Sunflowerfairy was AY's new brides nik. Could Audrey Comstock be AY's Mom ?
Crap I wish I had done screen shots of all the AY posts from peeps when he got married, because Audrey made a few. She was the older lady with longish blonde going white hair in the front of the church when AY got married I believe. Railbugfreak and Sunflowerfairy are on photobucket also. Seems as if they change partners and get married frequently and draw the partners from the same small group.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Love2Read on December 01, 2010, 10:57:11 PM
wanted to post all of the items that were taken from the house, according to the warrants.

33 blood samples
hair and tissue

tissue scraping from wall
cut section of floor
cut section of wall
cut section of door frame
carpet fibers
3 latex gloves hearing aid parts
knife w/sheath
cards for Zahra
stungun
5 cell phones
Kodak disposable camera
Sanyo digital camera w/memory card
photo CD w/negatives

photo of Zahra
red towel
8 empty pill bottles
2 pill bottles w/pills
set of crutches
TV/VCR combo
BBM
5 Cell phones,2 cameras & photo CD all with blood samples. All the phones are probably capable of taking pictures. Makes me sick to think they may have taken pictures while they were doing it to her. ::MonkeyMad::

I am just so totally sick over this.  How could that idiot NOT know what happened when there was tissue on the walls???  He is just as guilty as any of them.  I hope they have the gloves that was used and they can get prints from the inside of them.  I bet I know whose prints that will be....


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on December 01, 2010, 10:59:23 PM
AB is an AU citizen. Plus he is on shaky grounds even being in the US.
IF they charge him with the death penalty, then there is an issue as AU does not have the DP.
..
Canada does not have the DP and there were some cases here ( old ones ) where for some stupid reason, Canada had to not extradite to the US until they US removed the DP. I don't know why ( Canada ) just didn't snooze or watch hockey and say eh ? until the peeps were already extradited. AB has been in touch in the AU consulate 'cause he wants them to protect him just in case. And I guess they have to. Altho, I would prefer that they threw another shrimp on the barbee until after they fried his azz.
..
Tibrogargen would be able to explain how that would work in AU.


You called, Kat?

If AB did attempt to return to Australia, assuming the LE gave him back his passport, he would be in serious trouble here for taking Zahra out of the country with whatever illegal means he used.

Unfortunately we do  not have the death penalty and would not sanction extradition to a country where he could face this without assurances that it would not be invoked.

Case at present is Gabe Watson who drowned his bride on our Great Barrier Reef while scuba diving and was charged here with manslaughter.  Alabama wanted him to charge him with murder for the same offence but we would not release him until Alabama took the DP off the table.  BTW he should be back in Alabama by now as last I read he was in LA awaiting hand over.

AB contacted Australian consulate immediately he was thrown in jail as they would contact his mother for him.  They are very limited in what assistance they can give - check the Aust Laws thread in this forum.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on December 01, 2010, 11:04:20 PM
Brought over the relevant clauses from our Aust Law thread :


Being arrested overseas


If you are arrested overseas you have the right to contact the Australian Government, but consular assistance cannot override local law, even when local laws may appear harsh by Australian standards.

The Australian Government cannot get you out of jail.

What we can do to assist

We will do everything in our power to assist Australians who are arrested or in prison overseas, but we must also work within the legal and administrative processes that apply in the country.

We can:

    * visit you while you are detained
    * assist you in getting information about visitor procedures or accessing money or telephones
    * provide you with a list of local English-speaking lawyers
    * if authorised, arrange for your next-of-kin to be contacted and informed of your welfare
    * assist you to organise your family and friends to send you money
    * assist you to maintain contact with your family
    * discuss justified and serious complaints about ill-treatment or discrimination with the local authorities
    * raise medical or dental issues with local authorities, should you fail in your attempts to have these issues addressed
    * arrange a small loan from the Australian Government under the Prisoner Loan Scheme (subject to your location and strict eligibility criteria)
    * monitor your court trials and, in some circumstances, attend as an *******
    * where applicable, provide you with information on the International Transfer of Prisoners Scheme
    * support an application for a pardon, if local law and practice allow.

What we cannot do

We cannot:

    * get you out of jail, or give Local Authorities written guarantees to secure your release
    * determine your innocence or otherwise
    * conduct investigations relating to any alleged offence
    * provide you or your family with legal advice
    * make recommendations as to which lawyer you should choose
    * pay your lawyer’s fees, instigate court procedures or interfere in local judicial processes
    * seek better treatment for you than that provided to the host country’s own citizens or other nationals
    * arrange your bail or pay your fines
    * support you financially in prison, except in some circumstances where the country and your circumstances qualify you for the Prisoner Loan Scheme.

http://www.smartraveller.gov.au/tips/gaolos.html



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on December 01, 2010, 11:05:16 PM
I too read through all the search warrents. Came across the name Audrey Comstock. The police interviewed her because Elisa had sent her husband Alvin a threat of some kind through his My-Space account. Alvin was apparently Elisa's father-in-law at some point. Anyway, I looked up Audrey and Alvin and guess what. They have the same group of friends as the rest of the nuts( I'm trying to be nice) in this case. Aaron and Kristy, Brittany and Amber, etc.
   What is this group anyway? Oh, and Audrey's nick is Sunflowerfairy on My-Space and Amber's nick is Gothicbabe 62285. I will not even post what kind of group I think this is. I think they are all responsible, if for nothing more than neglect.
I think the lot of them are 'wanna be occult ?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 01, 2010, 11:08:34 PM
Aaron Young and Kristy wedding parts 1 & 2

Part 1


http://www.youtube.com/v/VWiRmaQy63A?fs=1&amp;hl=en_US

Part 2

Embedding disabled on this one.  FWIW I have copied both of these videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn7NVS4VhZg



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on December 01, 2010, 11:09:37 PM
IF "they" didn't really kill her,then why the NEED 4 all of the secrecy ?
MY GUT FEELING IS THAT:
Aaron (blabber mouth) Young is involved.

He jumped right in and started to tell everythng about nothing.

I feel he was being overly involved now, as nervous people r sometimes
inserting themselves into a situation to cover up guilt ?

I wonder if GothmonsterMOM has explained why Z was at the house where she left Z with the 2 men ?

My head hurts from all of this. I have never known anything more horrific.
.....
I don't know what his involvement is. The fact that he is sticking up for AB is nauseating.
..
I read it here quite a while ago that several persons went to the house, AB and relatives, friends and has a little thing by the tree in front of the house. AB was in the backyard fooling around in his wood piles. Bet he took some of his stuff from the yard with him.
..
Wish I belonged to WS just so I could get into their parking lot.
I used 2 post there. I will look. IF I find anything good, can I post it here ?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 01, 2010, 11:10:05 PM
His photobucket

http://s390.photobucket.com/albums/oo344/railbugfreak/


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: SuzieQ on December 01, 2010, 11:11:07 PM
Kat-Gram here is what I found. If she is Aaron's Mom, how weird is that?


(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff15/sueann37/Audrey.jpg)


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 01, 2010, 11:15:38 PM
IF "they" didn't really kill her,then why the NEED 4 all of the secrecy ?
MY GUT FEELING IS THAT:
Aaron (blabber mouth) Young is involved.

He jumped right in and started to tell everythng about nothing.

I feel he was being overly involved now, as nervous people r sometimes
inserting themselves into a situation to cover up guilt ?

I wonder if GothmonsterMOM has explained why Z was at the house where she left Z with the 2 men ?

My head hurts from all of this. I have never known anything more horrific.
.....
I don't know what his involvement is. The fact that he is sticking up for AB is nauseating.
..
I read it here quite a while ago that several persons went to the house, AB and relatives, friends and has a little thing by the tree in front of the house. AB was in the backyard fooling around in his wood piles. Bet he took some of his stuff from the yard with him.
..
Wish I belonged to WS just so I could get into their parking lot.
I used 2 post there. I will look. IF I find anything good, can I post it here ?

Sure LEP you can post if you want. Don't get yourself in trouble with Trish though, just not worth it. 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 01, 2010, 11:28:50 PM
Kat-Gram here is what I found. If she is Aaron's Mom, how weird is that?


(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff15/sueann37/Audrey.jpg)

Audrey and Alvin Comstock

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/AudreyComstock1.jpg)

Audrey

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/AudreyComstock2.jpg)

Audrey's tattoo

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/AudreyComstockTattoo.jpg)

Aaron's Myspace

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/AaronYoungMyspace.jpg)


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on December 01, 2010, 11:45:25 PM
Kat_Gram: I went over to WS and read in the parking lot.
Same old, same old !
Nothing of importance, but will check every other day or so and keep monkeys informed !


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: SuzieQ on December 01, 2010, 11:46:30 PM
In Audrey's pics she has pictures of Amber's kids listed as her great grandkids, and Brittany and Amber as her grandkids.

SOOOOOOOO Aaron's Mom married Elisa's former father-in-law.( They only got married in Sept.) Talk about keeping it in the family.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on December 01, 2010, 11:48:53 PM
In Audrey's pics she has pictures of Amber's kids listed as her great grandkids, and Brittany and Amber as her grandkids.

SOOOOOOOO Aaron's Mom married Elisa's former father-in-law.( They only got married in Sept.) Talk about keeping it in the family.

A Monarchy of E V I L !


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on December 02, 2010, 12:48:07 AM
FYI: Oh brother, I have seen it all now !
Aaron Young has his own thread at WS now, Q & A.
How he became such a celeb is beyond me !

Originally Posted by Mountain_Kat 
Tell us alittle bit about EB, if you can. She couldn't have always been such a... well, insert the word of your choice here, I guess. I gather from her family that lying has always been an issue with her, and I'm also assuming she was a bit, touched in the head. But was there a progression from bad to worse over the course of the time you've known her?
 RAILBUGFREAK:

Yes she has always been a liar and a very good one at that. Ive been called everything but trash just because i was married to her. I will say she was very different person since she came back from aussie. I didnt leave long before that because of the kids. Yes they were getting older by then but britt was still at home and I didnt wont to leave them with nothing, EB didnt have no income and i didnt have the heart to put them on the streets. She had me believing she was on disability since I met her. I didnt find out different until the day she left for aussie when i was cleaning out her room. yes her room because i had my own bedroom.



Originally Posted by Laddsy 
I take it you cant answer my post above, but it has been stated on other forums that AB has told you a lot of information recently that could be crucial to this case. Is this true? No need to elaborate if you cant.
 RAILBUG FREAK:

Sorry hadnt had a chance to look at that link. Ill check it out real quick then im gonna get off here for a bit, be back on later


Quote:
Originally Posted by westsidefox64 
Will you be very suprised if AB is arrested for Zs murder and dismemberment,and why or why not.
WELCOME TO WS!!!

RAILBUGFREAK:

Thats one i wont answer as we all have our own opinions!!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on December 02, 2010, 12:55:55 AM
Dang ! No questions about his kin and the allegations against them regarding abuse to Z !


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: bananas on December 02, 2010, 01:17:29 AM
He hasn't disclosed anything on there that he didn't say on FB.
His GF is Sunflowerfairy.
At least he is using the same name he used on his previous, pre Zahra internet things and he has said who he was, but I don't trust him, nor do I believe him. He was too tight with Adam Baker and they were all on imvu together.

Kat_Gram - I agree.  Someone asked me if I should invite him to SM but I'd just as soon watch it play out at WS.  I don't trust him one bit.  I'd really like to know what he saw in Elisa and visa versa for that matter.
I just want to restate some FB old posts that my helper grabbed from someone.
He was pretty tight with both Bakers until ... he couldn't get his pain meds and he blamed EB.
That was Feb 3, 2010. I don't know if she took the bottle and got herself a refill or took the actual pills, but AY could not get any more for thirty days.
AFTER that, he reported her to DSS writing a two page letter.
AFTER that he tried to contact KB in AU on MySpace, but she wouldn't accept him as a friend as she didn't know him.
He took action against her or tried to because she took his pills.
Now in his own words : Aaron YoungOctober 17, 2010 at 1:28am
 "If you want to talk about people talk about DSS and Caldwell county sheriffs department. Otherwise shut your f*****g mouth and mind your own business as you obviously dont know what you are talking about. I did what I could, I wrote DSS a 2 page letter about what was going on, I called SBI and told about everything. If I understand the law right I dont think we are allowed to just walk in someones home, pick up a child, and just walk out with her. IS THAT RIGHT?????? "
"OH AND I ALSO TRYED TO CONTACT HER GRANDMOTHER IN AUSTRALIA BACK IN FEBRUARY TO TELL HER ALSO WHAT WAS GOING ON BUT I DIDNT KNOW HOW TO GET A HOLD OF HER AND SHE WOULDNT ACCEPT MY FREIND REQUEST ON MYSPACE BECAUSE SHE DIDNT KNOW ME."
Don't ask where I got that from, take my word for it, it is him and his words. I cut out the rest of the profanity.
...............
Now, he was tight with Adam and why did he have to try to get to KB when AB was right there in front of his face ? There is some drug/sex/imvu sick connection that Aaron didn't want broken /they need something from each other. He is doing a sales job on himself and before he is finished over at WS it will extend to AB. He loved Zahra a bit too much for me. I know that is an awful thing to say, but he is an awful person and the crimes against Zahra are awful.
 

Kat, I agree.  Something about AY reeks to me.  I think he was still involved with the lot of them because they were all drug users.... JMO.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: pink angel on December 02, 2010, 01:21:58 AM
A report from WCNC today has claimed that the rape allegations published in documents released yesterday may have came from an unreliable source. This report also claims that the two men named in those documents are no longer serious suspects in the eyes of LE.

http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Tests--111133139.html

Rough transcript of video:

Again, a source close to the investigation says police are just not all that interested in the 2 cousins from Burke County anymore because there was just no credible evidence in that house that there had been any rape or killing of Zahra Baker there.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: pfaubush on December 02, 2010, 01:54:30 AM
There seems to be a lot of rumpus kissing going on in that AY forum. I'm hoping that the posters over there haven't truely been drawn in!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: bananas on December 02, 2010, 02:04:46 AM
There seems to be a lot of rumpus kissing going on in that AY forum. I'm hoping that the posters over there haven't truely been drawn in!

Yeah, I noticed that too..... rather sickening huh?  Why would he even be spouting off there?  Anyone who could stay married to EB for 10 years is just as nutty as the rest of them.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Nana29 on December 02, 2010, 02:23:45 AM
Looks like the Zahra Clare Baker~Bring her home page on  Facebook has been removed...

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Christy De Salvo-Babbitt Most of the discussions were in the discussion tabs on (Zahra Clare Baker~bring her home) and it was still removed. Granted earlier in the case, a lot of comments were made on the main page.. Kristie do you know who the administor was on that page? I'm still not sure why they took it down. Maybe a. Lose family member requested it?.
16 hours ago ·
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Kimmy Ford ‎@ Christy from what I understand Zahra Clare Baker~bring her home, was started up by Emily's stepsister ~ Lillybet.
8 hours ago ·
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Emily Dietrich while I cannot say who the admin was, I can assure you that it was taken down due to the disrespect that was being shown by so many on that page. It was a tribute page for a murdered child, my child, and to fight like animals on it was pathetic and lacked any compassion. It was disgusting....
5 hours ago ·
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Emily Dietrich ‎@Kimmy... and why do understand this? I can assure you that she had no connection that page, apart from her posts.
5 hours ago ·

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/posted.php?id=162072750477909 (http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/posted.php?id=162072750477909)

This is from The Zahra Project


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: pfaubush on December 02, 2010, 02:24:44 AM
There seems to be a lot of rumpus kissing going on in that AY forum. I'm hoping that the posters over there haven't truely been drawn in!

Yeah, I noticed that too..... rather sickening huh?  Why would he even be spouting off there?  Anyone who could stay married to EB for 10 years is just as nutty as the rest of them.

Without a doubt!!!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on December 02, 2010, 02:52:15 AM
There seems to be a lot of rumpus kissing going on in that AY forum. I'm hoping that the posters over there haven't truely been drawn in!

Yeah, I noticed that too..... rather sickening huh?  Why would he even be spouting off there?  Anyone who could stay married to EB for 10 years is just as nutty as the rest of them.

Without a doubt!!!


Aaron appears to be less than a creditable source IMO.
Some way, somehow he KNOWS something, or was involved in some way.....who in their right mind would live with EB for 10 years ?

I just know deep in my gut that he knows something and it will be revealed in the future...rem., he IS Elisa's brother. Geez !


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: bananas on December 02, 2010, 04:04:56 AM
I am drawn here but when I arrive, I am sickened by the thoughts of what Zahra has endured.  This is by far the worst thing I have ever tried to assimilate.  I can't understand it and I am glad that my mind and heart cannot understand such fiendish things.  It breaks my heart and I weep for Zahra.
 ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyTears::

WE WANT JUSTICE FOR ZAHRA


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on December 02, 2010, 04:58:36 AM
http://www.wsoctv.com/news/25974190/detail.html?cxntlid=cmg_cntnt_rss
(with video)
Bone DNA Matches Sample From Zahra’s Home
December 1, 2010

HICKORY, N.C. -- DNA from bones found in the Dudley Shoals area of Caldwell County match a DNA sample taken from Zahra Baker’s home, Hickory police said Wednesday.
Police sent out a release on Wednesday afternoon saying they received the test results from the North Carolina State Bureau of Investigation’s lab.


The remains, which police said were consistent with those of a child, were found on Nov. 10. On Nov. 12, police said they had recovered enough physical evidence to believe they had found Zahra.

"I've been dreading this moment since early on in this investigation," Hickory Police Chief Tom Adkins said at the time.
The DNA sample taken from the Bakers’ home was from personal items believed to be Zahra’s, police said. Investigators are still waiting on a known DNA profile for Zahra that is being created from cheek swabs that were collected from her biological mother, Emily Dietrich, and father, Adam Baker.
(snip)



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on December 02, 2010, 07:11:31 AM
http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13601201
Hickory funeral home holds tribute to Zahra Baker
Associated Press - December 2, 2010 4:15 AM ET


HICKORY, N.C. (AP) - A Hickory funeral home is inviting people to sign a register book in memory of a 10-year-old disabled girl police say was dismembered after she died.

Drum Funeral Home will also show a memorial tribute to Zahra Baker from 5 p.m. to 7 p.m. Thursday and from 1 p.m. to 4 p.m. Friday.

The girl's family had originally planned a public memorial service, but family members changed their mind and decided instead to have a private service later.

Police say Baker's remains were found in two separate locations last month. No one has been charged in her death or the disposal of her remains.

Baker was a cancer survivor who moved to North Carolina from her native Australia after his father married a woman he met on the Internet.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on December 02, 2010, 08:11:48 AM
Issues With Jane Velez Mitchell 12/01/10
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1012/01/ijvm.01.html

Nancy Grace Transcripts
December 01, 2010
• Allegations Zahra Was Raped Denied
http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ng.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Sister on December 02, 2010, 08:24:31 AM
I am drawn here but when I arrive, I am sickened by the thoughts of what Zahra has endured.  This is by far the worst thing I have ever tried to assimilate.  I can't understand it and I am glad that my mind and heart cannot understand such fiendish things.  It breaks my heart and I weep for Zahra.
 ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyTears::

WE WANT JUSTICE FOR ZAHRA

Bananas, I so agree with your feelings . . . I feel the same.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: suzyinpgh on December 02, 2010, 09:34:32 AM
Good Morning everyone.  I really don't comment much especially in this case.  There is so much to say but I can't really put into words. 

One thing I would like to know for certain is that Zahra's remains are NOT going to her sperm donar. 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on December 02, 2010, 09:45:40 AM
There seems to be a lot of rumpus kissing going on in that AY forum. I'm hoping that the posters over there haven't truely been drawn in!
Believe they are  ::MonkeyNoNo:: Don't take much for rumpus kissing over there.  Thank-you Pink Angel for that info.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on December 02, 2010, 09:48:43 AM

5 cell phones
Kodak disposable camera
Sanyo digital camera w/memory card
photo CD w/negatives                                           On the salary that Adam was making? I think not, drug dealing and what else was going on to need all that?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: 4myjoey on December 02, 2010, 10:07:28 AM
Lawyers appointed when murder charges were 'imminent' are removed.


HICKORY, NC (WBTV) - Two attorneys – including one high-profile lawyer – who were appointed in October to the dad and stepmother of a deceased 10-year-old Hickory girl were removed Wednesday.

The two lawyers, Lisa Dubs and Mark Killian, were appointed to Elisa and Adam Baker, respectively, when it seemed "a charge of first-degree murder… was imminent" against them in the death of Zahra Baker, according to the NC Capital Defender's office.


http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13602250


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: melisb on December 02, 2010, 10:17:18 AM
Lawyers appointed when murder charges were 'imminent' are removed.


HICKORY, NC (WBTV) - Two attorneys – including one high-profile lawyer – who were appointed in October to the dad and stepmother of a deceased 10-year-old Hickory girl were removed Wednesday.

The two lawyers, Lisa Dubs and Mark Killian, were appointed to Elisa and Adam Baker, respectively, when it seemed "a charge of first-degree murder… was imminent" against them in the death of Zahra Baker, according to the NC Capital Defender's office.


http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13602250



What does this mean????  Just a change in lawyers or she isn't gonna be charged with first degree?  I hope the attys. just wanted out of the case.  Maybe she needs a DP qualified one.  Dubs is qualified isn't she.  I guess this means they are cutting EvilE a deal.  OMG I hope they didn't give her too much.  She IMO deserves the DP but I at least want LWOP.  I'm uneasy waiting for the answer to this one guys!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on December 02, 2010, 10:41:17 AM
Lawyers appointed when murder charges were 'imminent' are removed.


HICKORY, NC (WBTV) - Two attorneys – including one high-profile lawyer – who were appointed in October to the dad and stepmother of a deceased 10-year-old Hickory girl were removed Wednesday.

The two lawyers, Lisa Dubs and Mark Killian, were appointed to Elisa and Adam Baker, respectively, when it seemed "a charge of first-degree murder… was imminent" against them in the death of Zahra Baker, according to the NC Capital Defender's office.


http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13602250



What does this mean????  Just a change in lawyers or she isn't gonna be charged with first degree?  I hope the attys. just wanted out of the case.  Maybe she needs a DP qualified one.  Dubs is qualified isn't she.  I guess this means they are cutting EvilE a deal.  OMG I hope they didn't give her too much.  She IMO deserves the DP but I at least want LWOP.  I'm uneasy waiting for the answer to this one guys!
Oh wow, I don't believe in this, but Adam better be afraid that someone doesn't take the law into their own hands.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on December 02, 2010, 10:46:30 AM
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/12/02/1880285/dna-on-bones-may-match-zahras.html
DNA on bones may match Zahra's
Police await results of more tests. Documents show DSS investigated family.

Posted: Thursday, Dec. 02, 2010
Missing Girl North Carolina
(http://media.charlotteobserver.com/smedia/2010/11/26/21/zahramemorial1127_GE61V3RJD.1+Zahra.Baker.embedded.prod_affiliate.138.jpg)

Documents show that DSS was told that Zahra was abused. JAMES NIX - INDEPENDENT TRIBUNE VIA AP

HICKORY DNA evidence from bones found along a rural Caldwell County road matches DNA from personal items believed to have belonged to 10-year-old Zahra Baker, Hickory police announced Wednesday.

Tests from the N.C. State Bureau of Investigation's crime lab confirm the match, police said.

Hickory police say they have enough physical evidence to prove Zahra is dead. But they said Wednesday they're still waiting on a DNA profile of Zahra that will be created from cheek swabs of her biological parents.

Also on Wednesday, Department of Social Services officials in Caldwell and Catawba counties continued their refusal to answer questions about what they did - or failed to do - to protect Zahra.
New documents released Tuesday offered confirmation that DSS received at least one report, in July, that Zahra's stepmother, Elisa Baker, had been physically abusing the girl. As a result, the document says, Zahra had a black eye.

The document also says DSS conducted "numerous investigations" regarding allegations that Elisa Baker abused her biological children as far back as 1999. A lawyer for Elisa Baker said previously that DSS had not substantiated any allegations of abuse.

Family and friends have repeatedly said they saw signs Zahra suffered abuse. One woman, speaking at a vigil for Zahra, said the Baker family reported allegations of abuse to DSS three times.

DSS officials say state confidentiality laws prohibit them from talking about any involvement they might have had with Zahra or her family. It is not clear how the abuse allegations were handled.

N.C. law keeps DSS records private in most instances, but in cases where a parent or caregiver was charged in connection with a child's death or near-death, agencies can release information showing what actions social workers took to protect a child.

No one has been charged in Zahra's death, and Elisa Baker and her husband, Adam Baker, have denied any wrongdoing in the case. But Elisa Baker remains in jail, charged with obstruction of justice, after police say she admitted writing a phony ransom note to mislead investigators looking into the Zahra's disappearance.

The abuse allegations were contained in search warrant documents unsealed Tuesday at the Catawba County courthouse in Newton.

The documents also revealed that Zahra may have been raped by two men before she died, and that the men may also have physically assaulted her. That report came from an unnamed source who told police he got the information from talking to someone else. Police won't say whether they consider the two men suspects in Zahra's death or disappearance.

But most of the 121 pages of documents focused on searches of the Baker's home and their phone and computer records.

The documents offer fresh details about the days surrounding Zahra's reported disappearance.

Elisa Baker said she and her husband took Zahra to an October Fest event in Hickory on the evening of Oct. 8, according to the court documents. When they got home, Zahra went to bed. Elisa Baker said she checked on the girl about 2:30 a.m., and that she awakened about three hours later to find a small grass fire in the family's backyard.

Authorities called to the fire discovered a ransom note suggesting that someone had abducted the daughter of Adam Baker's boss. But police found the girl was safe at home.
The Bakers called police again hours later to report their own daughter, Zahra, missing.

Elisa Baker later told police that Zahra must have been abducted while she and Adam Baker went outside to deal with the fire. The fire, she alleged, must have been a ruse to get them out of the house.

But Adam Baker told investigators he hadn't seen his daughter since Oct. 6.

It's unclear whether Adam Baker had known for three days that his daughter was missing, or whether he thought she was with family or friends.

Adam Baker also told police at one point that he believed his daughter was taken by whoever wrote the ransom note.

Police took cheek swabs from Elisa Baker, the search warrant documents show. Police said that evidence is important so investigators have DNA samples from all persons involved in the case as well as those who live at the Bakers' home.

Among items police seized from the Bakers' home: a section of a floor, a section of a wall, carpet fibers, latex gloves, a knife, stun gun, notebook with writings, digital camera with memory card, red towel, photo of Zahra, eight empty pill bottles, a cutting from a mattress and a pair of hearing aids.

Zahra was hearing impaired and lost a leg to bone cancer.

In the new documents, Elisa Baker detail how Zahra's body was dismembered and disposed of at various locations.

They also describe how Elisa Baker rode around with police to locations where evidence had been discarded. Speaking through her attorney, Baker said she and Adam Baker had thrown Zahra's prosthetic leg into a Dumpster at an apartment complex in Hickory.

Elisa Baker also directed police to Dumpster behind a grocery store in Hudson. She said a bed comforter and car cover used to conceal and transport Zahra's body parts had been thrown into the Dumpster.

A memorial service to celebrate Zahra's life planned for today by family members was postponed, according to staff at Drum Funeral Home.

But people have stopped by the funeral home to sign a registry placed beside a photo of Zahra. A video slideshow played nearby Wednesday, displaying photos of Zahra wearing a pink cowgirl hat, smiling on the back of a motorcycle, and wearing a scarf over her head after her cancer treatments.


Visitors can pay respects at the funeral home , on 29th Avenue Northeast in Hickory, from 5 to 7 tonight, and from 1 to 4 p.m. Friday.

A private memorial service will be held later for family members.





Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Brandi on December 02, 2010, 11:30:40 AM
Lawyers appointed when murder charges were 'imminent' are removed
Posted: Dec 02, 2010 9:07 AM EST
Updated: Dec 02, 2010 9:18 AM EST

HICKORY, NC (WBTV) - Two attorneys – including one high-profile lawyer – who were appointed in October to the dad and stepmother of a deceased 10-year-old Hickory girl were removed Wednesday.

The two lawyers, Lisa Dubs and Mark Killian, were appointed to Elisa and Adam Baker, respectively, when it seemed "a charge of first-degree murder… was imminent" against them in the death of Zahra Baker, according to the NC Capital Defender's office.

Lisa Dubs is a high-profile attorney, known for defending capital murder trials and her web site says that her specialties are "capital murder cases and serious felonies." The two attorneys were removed as both Adam and Elisa Baker have "not been arrested or indicted in connection with the death of" Zahra, the state capital defender wrote.

Elisa Baker has been charged with obstruction of justice after police say she admitted to faking a ransom note just after Zahra was reported missing on Oct. 13. She is being represented by Scott Reilly for that charge.

The legal changes come just two days after warrants were released that indicate Zahra was dismembered after she died and that blood and bodily fluids could be found in the drains of the house where the family lived in Hickory. Just Thursday, police said that DNA evidence proved that Zahra's remains were found in different locations, meaning she had been dismembered.

Elisa Baker remains in jail on obstruction of justice charges. Adam Baker has been charged with some non-related crimes and has appeared in court recently.

The family of Zahra – minus Elisa Baker – were scheduled to hold a memorial service for her Thursday night, but those plans have changed.
http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13602250


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on December 02, 2010, 11:38:15 AM
What am I missing with this? Do they feel that there isn't enough evidence that Elisa and Adam killed Zahra? Is there thinking that perhaps she did die in her bed from something and they did all the horrible stuff they did to Zahra, but didn't murder her? Sure hope we hear more because this is very unsettling.  Unless they are waiting for more test results to come back?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Terri on December 02, 2010, 11:42:08 AM
Good morning, 

I am going to post my thoughts but know I feel bad about even bringing this up.

I KNOW I heard that there is a difference in blood splatter when someone is living versus when they are dead.  I think I heard it from one of the "experts" NG had on her show awhile back on this or some other case.

Seems once a person dies the blood does not splatter during dismemberment. There is much less to clean up. Though I am sure there would be evidence on the walls and ceiling in the bathroom, there would be no evidence in any other room if Zahra was not killed violently.  So, for me, I would wonder from which roooms the wall and floor boards were removed;  Only the bathroom?

I would like to say I spent many years living in a rural area where people "run over the hill".  Given the financial situation of the Bakers, regardless of where they go, it will likely be a place where people will not accept them.

Terri


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on December 02, 2010, 11:47:48 AM
Good morning, 

I am going to post my thoughts but know I feel bad about even bringing this up.

I KNOW I heard that there is a difference in blood splatter when someone is living versus when they are dead.  I think I heard it from one of the "experts" NG had on her show awhile back on this or some other case.

Seems once a person dies the blood does not splatter during dismemberment. There is much less to clean up. Though I am sure there would be evidence on the walls and ceiling in the bathroom, there would be no evidence in any other room if Zahra was not killed violently.  So, for me, I would wonder from which roooms the wall and floor boards were removed;  Only the bathroom?

I would like to say I spent many years living in a rural area where people "run over the hill".  Given the financial situation of the Bakers, regardless of where they go, it will likely be a place where people will not accept them.

Terri
I got into a discussion with my husband over with, when you die you still have the same amount of blood, so why wouldn't it splatter the same? I can't even believe I'm asking this  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Nana29 on December 02, 2010, 11:54:48 AM
Good morning, 

I am going to post my thoughts but know I feel bad about even bringing this up.

I KNOW I heard that there is a difference in blood splatter when someone is living versus when they are dead.  I think I heard it from one of the "experts" NG had on her show awhile back on this or some other case.

Seems once a person dies the blood does not splatter during dismemberment. There is much less to clean up. Though I am sure there would be evidence on the walls and ceiling in the bathroom, there would be no evidence in any other room if Zahra was not killed violently.  So, for me, I would wonder from which roooms the wall and floor boards were removed;  Only the bathroom?

I would like to say I spent many years living in a rural area where people "run over the hill".  Given the financial situation of the Bakers, regardless of where they go, it will likely be a place where people will not accept them.

Terri
I got into a discussion with my husband over with, when you die you still have the same amount of blood, so why wouldn't it splatter the same? I can't even believe I'm asking this  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Because it is no longer pumping would be my guess.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on December 02, 2010, 11:58:14 AM
Good morning, 

I am going to post my thoughts but know I feel bad about even bringing this up.

I KNOW I heard that there is a difference in blood splatter when someone is living versus when they are dead.  I think I heard it from one of the "experts" NG had on her show awhile back on this or some other case.

Seems once a person dies the blood does not splatter during dismemberment. There is much less to clean up. Though I am sure there would be evidence on the walls and ceiling in the bathroom, there would be no evidence in any other room if Zahra was not killed violently.  So, for me, I would wonder from which roooms the wall and floor boards were removed;  Only the bathroom?

I would like to say I spent many years living in a rural area where people "run over the hill".  Given the financial situation of the Bakers, regardless of where they go, it will likely be a place where people will not accept them.

Terri
I got into a discussion with my husband over with, when you die you still have the same amount of blood, so why wouldn't it splatter the same? I can't even believe I'm asking this  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Because it is no longer pumping would be my guess.
Thank-you that would make sense. There still would be a good amount of blood I would think. One thing that I may have missed, did the Bakers wash down and try to clean most of the evidence? Reading about tissue on the wall made me wonder if they did. I know that know matter how you clean, almost always some blood or evidence is left behind.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Curly on December 02, 2010, 12:06:32 PM
Apparently, stepgoth made a deal to save her evil self.
What about Adam? No first degree murder charges are hanging over his fat head?
I think they have plenty of evidence..what the holdup is, I haven't a clue.
Maybe waiting for vigilante justice.

Yup. Aaron seems to be the new rock star over at WS. They're all swooning over him.
I can't wait until he starts cursing. I need a good laugh.

TY Klass for not inviting him here.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on December 02, 2010, 12:09:24 PM
Apparently, stepgoth made a deal to save her evil self.
What about Adam? No first degree murder charges are hanging over his fat head?
I think they have plenty of evidence..what the holdup is, I haven't a clue.
Maybe waiting for vigilante justice.

Yup. Aaron seems to be the new rock star over at WS. They're all swooning over him.
I can't wait until he starts cursing. I need a good laugh.

TY Klass for not inviting him here.
It's sickening, giving this man time too spew his BS. Let's listen with baited breath what comes out of a druggie  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: bananas on December 02, 2010, 12:41:08 PM
Apparently, stepgoth made a deal to save her evil self.
What about Adam? No first degree murder charges are hanging over his fat head?
I think they have plenty of evidence..what the holdup is, I haven't a clue.
Maybe waiting for vigilante justice.

Yup. Aaron seems to be the new rock star over at WS. They're all swooning over him.
I can't wait until he starts cursing. I need a good laugh.

TY Klass for not inviting him here.
It's sickening, giving this man time too spew his BS. Let's listen with baited breath what comes out of a druggie  ::MonkeyNoNo::

NoRose... I agree.... what kind of dependable information will come from the mouth of a druggie?  I noticed he has stopped talking. 

I am worried there will not be charges brought against AB.  Does anyone really think he could have lived in that tiny house and not know what was happening inside it?  I just can't.   


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on December 02, 2010, 12:43:51 PM
Apparently, stepgoth made a deal to save her evil self.
What about Adam? No first degree murder charges are hanging over his fat head?
I think they have plenty of evidence..what the holdup is, I haven't a clue.
Maybe waiting for vigilante justice.

Yup. Aaron seems to be the new rock star over at WS. They're all swooning over him.
I can't wait until he starts cursing. I need a good laugh.

TY Klass for not inviting him here.
It's sickening, giving this man time too spew his BS. Let's listen with baited breath what comes out of a druggie  ::MonkeyNoNo::

NoRose... I agree.... what kind of dependable information will come from the mouth of a druggie?  I noticed he has stopped talking. 

I am worried there will not be charges brought against AB.  Does anyone really think he could have lived in that tiny house and not know what was happening inside it?  I just can't.   
I am really scared of that also, no charges against Adam. There is no way IMO, that he didn't know what was happening inside that home, and if by some insane chance he didn't, he must have been stoned 24/7  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on December 02, 2010, 12:58:09 PM
Apparently, stepgoth made a deal to save her evil self.
What about Adam? No first degree murder charges are hanging over his fat head?
I think they have plenty of evidence..what the holdup is, I haven't a clue.
Maybe waiting for vigilante justice.

Yup. Aaron seems to be the new rock star over at WS. They're all swooning over him.
I can't wait until he starts cursing. I need a good laugh.

TY Klass for not inviting him here.
It's sickening, giving this man time too spew his BS. Let's listen with baited breath what comes out of a druggie  ::MonkeyNoNo::

NoRose... I agree.... what kind of dependable information will come from the mouth of a druggie?  I noticed he has stopped talking. 

I am worried there will not be charges brought against AB.  Does anyone really think he could have lived in that tiny house and not know what was happening inside it?  I just can't.   
I am really scared of that also, no charges against Adam. There is no way IMO, that he didn't know what was happening inside that home, and if by some insane chance he didn't, he must have been stoned 24/7  ::MonkeyNoNo::
imo the only way he couldn't have known was if he wasn't even staying at the house. 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: SuzieQ on December 02, 2010, 01:02:35 PM
I remember reading an article that the DA had filed a motion to get the two high priced lawyers off the case. He didn't think SC should be paying for these two when Elisa and Adam had not been charged with murder.  What I think is, the DA and police think they can get more out of Elisa and maybe Adam if these lawyers are not around.
I really think they are waiting on the Grand Jury to indict both of them, but I have no idea when the Grand Jury meets in SC or if they have to call for one. I know it is suppose to be secret until it is over.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on December 02, 2010, 01:05:43 PM
Adam knew. He is thinking everyone is as stupid as he is, well we are not. He knew



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on December 02, 2010, 01:06:53 PM
I'm confused, what this poor child raped or not? the person accused of this is he the same man that is talking on WS?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on December 02, 2010, 01:10:57 PM
Apparently, stepgoth made a deal to save her evil self.
What about Adam? No first degree murder charges are hanging over his fat head?
I think they have plenty of evidence..what the holdup is, I haven't a clue.
Maybe waiting for vigilante justice.

Yup. Aaron seems to be the new rock star over at WS. They're all swooning over him.
I can't wait until he starts cursing. I need a good laugh.

TY Klass for not inviting him here.
LOL as Aaron would say. And FAME is a fickle thing. I don't know why some peeps think Aaron is the guy with the white hat there, same as over at InSessions, they thought he was the cat's azz. They are thinkers over at WS, they will figure it out and come to their own conclusions. I've come to mine and I doubt if it will change seeing as he way too buddy buddy with Adam. Plus a number of other things. He is not my cup of tea as a polite person would say.
..
Sherlock Holmey ( sp ) asked him about imvu and Octoberfest where Adam and Eliza were. So, I'll probably read over there about that. I love her/his screen name. Lives in the area. I follow that person's posts because of the connection to the area. I think he/ she was out taking pix also.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 02, 2010, 01:13:21 PM
I'm confused, what this poor child raped or not? the person accused of this is he the same man that is talking on WS?

No, the person talking at WS is Aaron Young, the accused relative.  Aaron is Elisa's friend and one of Elisa's ex husbands.  Aaron Young has befriended and taken the side of Adam Baker. 

Aaron Young and his new wife Kristy:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/AaronYoungMyspace.jpg)


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Kimmy53 on December 02, 2010, 01:16:45 PM
Lawyers appointed when murder charges were 'imminent' are removed.


HICKORY, NC (WBTV) - Two attorneys – including one high-profile lawyer – who were appointed in October to the dad and stepmother of a deceased 10-year-old Hickory girl were removed Wednesday.

The two lawyers, Lisa Dubs and Mark Killian, were appointed to Elisa and Adam Baker, respectively, when it seemed "a charge of first-degree murder… was imminent" against them in the death of Zahra Baker, according to the NC Capital Defender's office.


http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13602250



What does this mean????  Just a change in lawyers or she isn't gonna be charged with first degree?  I hope the attys. just wanted out of the case.  Maybe she needs a DP qualified one.  Dubs is qualified isn't she.  I guess this means they are cutting EvilE a deal.  OMG I hope they didn't give her too much.  She IMO deserves the DP but I at least want LWOP.  I'm uneasy waiting for the answer to this one guys!

EB was appointed a public defender.  A DP public defender is more expensive that a general public defender.  The Prosecutor's office (I believe that's who) objected to the extra cost for these lawyers because EB has not been charged in Zhara's case yet.  The Public Defender's office just jumped the gun with the appointment of these lawyers.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on December 02, 2010, 01:17:18 PM
I'm confused, what this poor child raped or not? the person accused of this is he the same man that is talking on WS?

No, the person talking at WS is Aaron Young, the accused relative.  Aaron is Elisa's friend and one of Elisa's ex husbands.  Aaron Young has befriended and taken the side of Adam Baker. 

Aaron Young and his new wife Kristy:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/AaronYoungMyspace.jpg)
Well, that just says it all when you take a look at Aaron  :pukel: A bunch of low class drug addicts of course IMO


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on December 02, 2010, 01:18:02 PM
I remember reading an article that the DA had filed a motion to get the two high priced lawyers off the case. He didn't think SC should be paying for these two when Elisa and Adam had not been charged with murder.  What I think is, the DA and police think they can get more out of Elisa and maybe Adam if these lawyers are not around.
I really think they are waiting on the Grand Jury to indict both of them, but I have no idea when the Grand Jury meets in SC or if they have to call for one. I know it is suppose to be secret until it is over.
I read the same thing, but I was fuzzy on the details. It isn't because they aren't going to charge them, it was more of a legal process. I like the gap with no hi priced lawyers. Leads to fear ( no reassuring lawyer around ) and maybe more talking.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on December 02, 2010, 01:23:20 PM
I remember reading an article that the DA had filed a motion to get the two high priced lawyers off the case. He didn't think SC should be paying for these two when Elisa and Adam had not been charged with murder.  What I think is, the DA and police think they can get more out of Elisa and maybe Adam if these lawyers are not around.
I really think they are waiting on the Grand Jury to indict both of them, but I have no idea when the Grand Jury meets in SC or if they have to call for one. I know it is suppose to be secret until it is over.
I read the same thing, but I was fuzzy on the details. It isn't because they aren't going to charge them, it was more of a legal process. I like the gap with no hi priced lawyers. Leads to fear ( no reassuring lawyer around ) and maybe more talking.
Oh good, that makes sense, I was getting worried.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: SuzieQ on December 02, 2010, 01:25:56 PM
I remember reading an article that the DA had filed a motion to get the two high priced lawyers off the case. He didn't think SC should be paying for these two when Elisa and Adam had not been charged with murder.  What I think is, the DA and police think they can get more out of Elisa and maybe Adam if these lawyers are not around.
I really think they are waiting on the Grand Jury to indict both of them, but I have no idea when the Grand Jury meets in SC or if they have to call for one. I know it is suppose to be secret until it is over.
I read the same thing, but I was fuzzy on the details. It isn't because they aren't going to charge them, it was more of a legal process. I like the gap with no hi priced lawyers. Leads to fear ( no reassuring lawyer around ) and maybe more talking.


BBM  Exactly


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: melisb on December 02, 2010, 02:02:14 PM
Good morning, 

I am going to post my thoughts but know I feel bad about even bringing this up.

I KNOW I heard that there is a difference in blood splatter when someone is living versus when they are dead.  I think I heard it from one of the "experts" NG had on her show awhile back on this or some other case.

Seems once a person dies the blood does not splatter during dismemberment. There is much less to clean up. Though I am sure there would be evidence on the walls and ceiling in the bathroom, there would be no evidence in any other room if Zahra was not killed violently.  So, for me, I would wonder from which roooms the wall and floor boards were removed;  Only the bathroom?

I would like to say I spent many years living in a rural area where people "run over the hill".  Given the financial situation of the Bakers, regardless of where they go, it will likely be a place where people will not accept them.

Terri
I got into a discussion with my husband over with, when you die you still have the same amount of blood, so why wouldn't it splatter the same? I can't even believe I'm asking this  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Just because I've seen lots of horror movies and this may make sense (hold your stomachs, it's going to get gross!).  If the Evil Pair had used hatchets or motorized toold to go through bone then I imagine it could sling bloody tissue from ceiling to floor when a person is dead or alive.  I'm sorry to say that.  I do think they used something like that if they put parts in garbage bags.  I still think they tried a wood chipper outside and those were small pieces they were picking up from their 21st ave./st. home.  Please forgive me but I wish nothing but long, constant, flesh burning pain on those two.  I would do it myself if I could.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: bananas on December 02, 2010, 02:14:41 PM
Good morning, 

I am going to post my thoughts but know I feel bad about even bringing this up.

I KNOW I heard that there is a difference in blood splatter when someone is living versus when they are dead.  I think I heard it from one of the "experts" NG had on her show awhile back on this or some other case.

Seems once a person dies the blood does not splatter during dismemberment. There is much less to clean up. Though I am sure there would be evidence on the walls and ceiling in the bathroom, there would be no evidence in any other room if Zahra was not killed violently.  So, for me, I would wonder from which roooms the wall and floor boards were removed;  Only the bathroom?

I would like to say I spent many years living in a rural area where people "run over the hill".  Given the financial situation of the Bakers, regardless of where they go, it will likely be a place where people will not accept them.

Terri
I got into a discussion with my husband over with, when you die you still have the same amount of blood, so why wouldn't it splatter the same? I can't even believe I'm asking this  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Just because I've seen lots of horror movies and this may make sense (hold your stomachs, it's going to get gross!).  If the Evil Pair had used hatchets or motorized toold to go through bone then I imagine it could sling bloody tissue from ceiling to floor when a person is dead or alive.  I'm sorry to say that.  I do think they used something like that if they put parts in garbage bags.  I still think they tried a wood chipper outside and those were small pieces they were picking up from their 21st ave./st. home.  Please forgive me but I wish nothing but long, constant, flesh burning pain on those two.  I would do it myself if I could.

OMG.... I had to cover my eyes after reading this.  Only God can mete out the punishment that is everlasting for these horrors.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: statru on December 02, 2010, 02:15:22 PM
I remember reading an article that the DA had filed a motion to get the two high priced lawyers off the case. He didn't think SC should be paying for these two when Elisa and Adam had not been charged with murder.  What I think is, the DA and police think they can get more out of Elisa and maybe Adam if these lawyers are not around.
I really think they are waiting on the Grand Jury to indict both of them, but I have no idea when the Grand Jury meets in SC or if they have to call for one. I know it is suppose to be secret until it is over.

They have to be arrested and charged with something to be brought up to the grand jury.
Obviously she has, but he hasnt. He has to be arrested first from what I am reading.
The GJ meets one or 2 days a month normally. I'm not sure when they will meet again.

If/when they are brought up on charges, I have a hard time believing anyone here would NOT indict


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Brandi on December 02, 2010, 02:25:59 PM
Quote
In a jailhouse letter obtained by ABC News last month, Elisa Baker wrote, "We really didn't kill her, but what he [Adam Baker] did after the fact is kinda horrifying."

This just keeps going around in my mind.

Kinda?

These people are beyond sick. They are pure evil.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on December 02, 2010, 02:30:44 PM
Quote
In a jailhouse letter obtained by ABC News last month, Elisa Baker wrote, "We really didn't kill her, but what he [Adam Baker] did after the fact is kinda horrifying."

This just keeps going around in my mind.

Kinda?

These people are beyond sick. They are pure evil.
Pure evil. After reading melisb write about the tools that might have been used, I would imagine some tools like that would have to been used to cut through the bone. Have to say that I never got that far in my thinking to actually think about what was used  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on December 02, 2010, 02:38:04 PM
I'm confused, what this poor child raped or not? the person accused of this is he the same man that is talking on WS?

No, the person talking at WS is Aaron Young, the accused relative.  Aaron is Elisa's friend and one of Elisa's ex husbands.  Aaron Young has befriended and taken the side of Adam Baker. 

Aaron Young and his new wife Kristy:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/AaronYoungMyspace.jpg)

thank you for explaining. How can anybody defend Adam? I don't buy it one bit that he didn't know, bull pucky


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Tolerance on December 02, 2010, 02:38:20 PM
I wonder if the lawyers for EB who were dismissed are the ones that orchestrated the possible plea deal??
Would that be a cause for concern for prosecutors?
I am so afraid of some loophole letting these terrible people off with lesser charges.
Tol


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on December 02, 2010, 02:46:18 PM
Quote
In a jailhouse letter obtained by ABC News last month, Elisa Baker wrote, "We really didn't kill her, but what he [Adam Baker] did after the fact is kinda horrifying."

This just keeps going around in my mind.

Kinda?

These people are beyond sick. They are pure evil.
Pure evil. After reading melisb write about the tools that might have been used, I would imagine some tools like that would have to been used to cut through the bone. Have to say that I never got that far in my thinking to actually think about what was used  ::MonkeyNoNo::

omg!  ::MonkeyTears:: How could anyone do such a thing? Why did they hate her so much? My god, what evil. The world is not safe with these two running free, they need to be arrested.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: melisb on December 02, 2010, 02:59:59 PM
JMHO but I'm now thinking EvilE was into meth and prolly pain/downers.  Being as evil and dark as she was and then add meth which can make you BELIEVE anything and see things that aren't even there add to that it makes you hypersexual there is no telling what had been done to that poor child.  A WHOLE family and circle of friends let this little girl down.  You know why they didn't follow through with helping her????  They didn't want to run risk of losing their connect or LE looking at them closer.  Addicts don't want LE around at all even at the expense of a child!  I'm basing my thinking she was on meth due to the way I've seen her (in small video clips) answer people (tweaking), how much weight she lost and quick, and cause it is said all around her were on it.  Didn't someone say AY was a cook? MOO


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on December 02, 2010, 03:04:12 PM
JMHO but I'm now thinking EvilE was into meth and prolly pain/downers.  Being as evil and dark as she was and then add meth which can make you BELIEVE anything and see things that aren't even there add to that it makes you hypersexual there is no telling what had been done to that poor child.  A WHOLE family and circle of friends let this little girl down.  You know why they didn't follow through with helping her????  They didn't want to run risk of losing their connect or LE looking at them closer.  Addicts don't want LE around at all even at the expense of a child!  I'm basing my thinking she was on meth due to the way I've seen her (in small video clips) answer people (tweaking), how much weight she lost and quick, and cause it is said all around her were on it.  Didn't someone say AY was a cook? MOO
I read that somewhere, but don't know where that Aaron was a cook, now don't know if that is the truth. But yes, you are right, why do the right thing and lose your connection to drugs, drugs such as meth means more then helping a little girl  ::MonkeyNoNo:: Some of these drugs are destroying many people, and many people who are innocent and who have done nothing.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: bananas on December 02, 2010, 03:13:25 PM
JMHO but I'm now thinking EvilE was into meth and prolly pain/downers.  Being as evil and dark as she was and then add meth which can make you BELIEVE anything and see things that aren't even there add to that it makes you hypersexual there is no telling what had been done to that poor child.  A WHOLE family and circle of friends let this little girl down.  You know why they didn't follow through with helping her????  They didn't want to run risk of losing their connect or LE looking at them closer.  Addicts don't want LE around at all even at the expense of a child!  I'm basing my thinking she was on meth due to the way I've seen her (in small video clips) answer people (tweaking), how much weight she lost and quick, and cause it is said all around her were on it.  Didn't someone say AY was a cook? MOO
I read that somewhere, but don't know where that Aaron was a cook, now don't know if that is the truth. But yes, you are right, why do the right thing and lose your connection to drugs, drugs such as meth means more then helping a little girl  ::MonkeyNoNo:: Some of these drugs are destroying many people, and many people who are innocent and who have done nothing.

NoRose... I have seen it is very prevalent EVERYWHERE.  It is scary to think how many people are slaves to these horrible drugs.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Babybear on December 02, 2010, 04:27:29 PM
I'm confused, what this poor child raped or not? the person accused of this is he the same man that is talking on WS?

No, the person talking at WS is Aaron Young, the accused relative.  Aaron is Elisa's friend and one of Elisa's ex husbands.  Aaron Young has befriended and taken the side of Adam Baker. 

Aaron Young and his new wife Kristy:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/AaronYoungMyspace.jpg)

thank you for explaining. How can anybody defend Adam? I don't buy it one bit that he didn't know, bull pucky

Excuse me, but is this the lovely couple in the wedding video where little girls marched in in black dresses and the bride wore black and white?  Oh yea, the groom wore some kind of weird hat.  To cover that hair, I guess.

O/T Thanks Brandi and Klaas.  I love you guys.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: bananas on December 02, 2010, 04:32:18 PM
I'm confused, what this poor child raped or not? the person accused of this is he the same man that is talking on WS?

No, the person talking at WS is Aaron Young, the accused relative.  Aaron is Elisa's friend and one of Elisa's ex husbands.  Aaron Young has befriended and taken the side of Adam Baker. 

Aaron Young and his new wife Kristy:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/AaronYoungMyspace.jpg)

thank you for explaining. How can anybody defend Adam? I don't buy it one bit that he didn't know, bull pucky

Excuse me, but is this the lovely couple in the wedding video where little girls marched in in black dresses and the bride wore black and white?  Oh yea, the groom wore some kind of weird hat.  To cover that hair, I guess.

O/T Thanks Brandi and Klaas.  I love you guys.

babybear.... I think this is the "goth" way to have a wedding.  At least they weren't wearing skulls.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Babybear on December 02, 2010, 04:34:33 PM
I'm an old woman.  I have never been around people who used illegal drugs or even smoked pot, much less do it myself.  I don't understand the concept of wanting to escape one's life by getting high.  It's true that sometimes life is difficult, but even if you escape by taking drugs the difficulty is still there once you come back down to earth or whatever the words for it are.  I guess time has passed me by or something, because I just don't get it.  In my state the second most lucrative cash crop is marijuana--after tobacco.  I guess soon tobacco will take second place since I stopped smoking three packs a day.

All of these people are so unattractive.  If drugs make you look like that, wouldn't you think just for vanity's sake they'd stay away from it?  I mean Aaron's hairdo....well, need I say more.

And there was precious Zahra.  She looked like a perfect little tomboy with her freckles and all.  And always a smile on her face.  It breaks my heart.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Babybear on December 02, 2010, 04:40:04 PM
I'm confused, what this poor child raped or not? the person accused of this is he the same man that is talking on WS?

No, the person talking at WS is Aaron Young, the accused relative.  Aaron is Elisa's friend and one of Elisa's ex husbands.  Aaron Young has befriended and taken the side of Adam Baker. 

Aaron Young and his new wife Kristy:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/AaronYoungMyspace.jpg)

thank you for explaining. How can anybody defend Adam? I don't buy it one bit that he didn't know, bull pucky

Excuse me, but is this the lovely couple in the wedding video where little girls marched in in black dresses and the bride wore black and white?  Oh yea, the groom wore some kind of weird hat.  To cover that hair, I guess.

O/T Thanks Brandi and Klaas.  I love you guys.

babybear.... I think this is the "goth" way to have a wedding.  At least they weren't wearing skulls.

Oh!!!! I've seen a lot of things with skulls recently, hats, tee shirts, etc. etc.
To me and I think with most people, a wedding is a religious occasion, not some kind of bad joke.  But of course, after five or six times, it probably loses some of it's meaning.........Where I live in Pigeon Forge there's a wedding "Chapel" with a drive-through window.  Somehow that seems there's a lack of real commitment there!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Babybear on December 02, 2010, 04:41:10 PM
OMG--I just noticed.  That guy has the bridge of his nose pierced!!!!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: bananas on December 02, 2010, 04:48:21 PM
OMG--I just noticed.  That guy has the bridge of his nose pierced!!!!

How did you miss that?  Looks pretty painful to have that done to me but what would I know... the only thing I ever had pierced was my ear lobes.  I am afraid Zahra was thrown into a world of drugs and horror when she was removed from her grandmother in Australia.  It breaks my heart.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: pfaubush on December 02, 2010, 05:40:29 PM
Someone (sorry, I can't remember who) was asking why none of the search warrants mentioned much about AB, but mostly mentioned EB. There was worry that it meant maybe he wouldn't be charged with anything and would get away with his crimes. I have a theory on that. There are two more warrants that are still sealed. There is a hearing on the 13th to decide if they should be opened (sorry, no link, I'm running off of memory). I am guessing that those are the ones that mention AB. Since he is still out running around, they probably want to keep what is in those ones a little closer to the vest. JMO


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: sadheart on December 02, 2010, 05:46:30 PM
I remember reading an article that the DA had filed a motion to get the two high priced lawyers off the case. He didn't think SC should be paying for these two when Elisa and Adam had not been charged with murder.  What I think is, the DA and police think they can get more out of Elisa and maybe Adam if these lawyers are not around.
I really think they are waiting on the Grand Jury to indict both of them, but I have no idea when the Grand Jury meets in SC or if they have to call for one. I know it is suppose to be secret until it is over.
I read the same thing, but I was fuzzy on the details. It isn't because they aren't going to charge them, it was more of a legal process. I like the gap with no hi priced lawyers. Leads to fear ( no reassuring lawyer around ) and maybe more talking.
Oh good, that makes sense, I was getting worried.
I'm still worried, the way EB's mind seems to work, she's probably thinking she will get out soon, that 'they' know she's not guilty.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: 4myjoey on December 02, 2010, 06:04:02 PM
Lisa Dubs says even if the state terminates her pay she is still Elisa Baker's attorney.


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Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Love2Read on December 02, 2010, 06:21:10 PM
How Ms.Dubs can sleep at night is beyond me. ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: starwynn on December 02, 2010, 06:49:16 PM
 
I totally agree.  He is afraid for himself.

You know, I don't thinkk so... just my opinion of course, because none  of us really know for sure yet.  But here's what I think.

First, he didn't react strongly when news came out about the dismemberment.  Obviously he didn't react strongly when the girl was "missing" according to the 911 tape. 

Second,  hasn't reacted strongly to any allegations of her death, her dispersal, his wife's involvement, talk of his involvement. 

But, then suddenly he has a strong reaction to the rape (if we believe Mom, The Empowerer and Promoter of all PR).   
But you know what - this sounds like a real reaction, and I'm betting that while he allowed a lot to go on between EB and Zahra (and probably allowed it because he was now in the states, and couldn't be so without EB) I can see him not having a clue about the rape (if it occurred).   I can see EB making up some story about the girl. 

Even before this, I didn't think what he said about her coming into puberty was accidental.  I think that was his conscious (boy do I say THAT word with a grain of salt) talking without him being able to stop it. 

Again, I feel this is like the story of the telltale heart.   He tends to add details that end up  being important because he can't stop himself.  Like when he said "There's no possible way to ever fill the hole left by my daughter"..  NOT the "hole in my heart where Zahra was".  That's a visual of his daughter in the hole, and I believe he was subconsciously confessing that his mind sees her in the hole because he couldn't un-see it. 

And when he said "There's no way in the world [that] I would ever hurt my daughter", but he didn't say he couldn't kill her, or do that to her body.  He couldn't hurt her if she were already gone.
Like when he said "police will find the evidence (sidebar - he says this in a positive way, like he knows it's there) and come to the right conclusion and give justice to Zahra", but didn't say that he hopes the OTHER people who did it get theirs.  Because I don't believe he CAN say that - not without wishing it upon himself.  I think he's just un-bright enough to where if he knew anything about the men (if there even were two men) he would have said something about others, "them", anything - not such a passive statement.  I just don't think he's that clever at all.  If anything, I think he's a bit on the slow side (understatement).

Food for thought.  I actually believe he had no idea.  I think that men have a weak spot when it comes to something like this, even a man who could/would allow the horrors that were done to Zahra, because in the case of sexual abuse I really honestly believe they would take it as an assault on THEMselves ... this type of man.  Again just my opinion, and obviously there are exceptions.  I don't feel this is one.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: starwynn on December 02, 2010, 06:54:00 PM
There was so much blood in the home that they called in a blood spatter expert to go inside.

Body tissue found on the walls.

You know, when I saw that they had painted the bathroom tiles with latex paint, I knew that something had happened in there.  They still had the paint and rollers in the kitchen, fresh from doing their work.  WHO paints bathroom tiles??  No one, except someone trying to fool blood-detection equipment/techniques.  And everything was painted VERY hastily in the kitchen and bathroom.  While EB and AB don't look the neat-freak types, there was some obvious care taken in the den.  Not-so in the kitchen/bathroom.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: starwynn on December 02, 2010, 07:02:42 PM
The tissue likely was found in the drains, in the pea-traps.  Bones can be included as tissue as medically they are tissue.
And that explains the huge box of baking soda that was on the kitchen sink, having been recently used.  :(  Dammit.  When I saw that, I thought that they were covering up a smell.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Curly on December 02, 2010, 07:11:06 PM
Someone (sorry, I can't remember who) was asking why none of the search warrants mentioned much about AB, but mostly mentioned EB. There was worry that it meant maybe he wouldn't be charged with anything and would get away with his crimes. I have a theory on that. There are two more warrants that are still sealed. There is a hearing on the 13th to decide if they should be opened (sorry, no link, I'm running off of memory). I am guessing that those are the ones that mention AB. Since he is still out running around, they probably want to keep what is in those ones a little closer to the vest. JMO

Good thinking, pfa. Hope you're right.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: starwynn on December 02, 2010, 07:22:00 PM
I am just so totally sick over this.  How could that idiot NOT know what happened when there was tissue on the walls???  He is just as guilty as any of them.  I hope they have the gloves that was used and they can get prints from the inside of them.  I bet I know whose prints that will be....

Just a reminder, as I was having a freaking fit over the same thing and my boyfriend reminded me of something.... really really very sick and upset.  And because of the horror of it all, I had forgotten a few things:

We shed a lot of tissue.  So it's not inconceivable to do scrapings FOR tissue on walls.  It doesn't mean "we found 33 tissue samples visable to the naked eye" (because that's the first thing I thought, honestly) or even samples that were indicated by chemical or mechanical indications, but simply samples. 

Now, that being said, it does sound like in some areas they found tissue (which again can include bone), hair, blood.  I would not be surprised if they took actual tissue samples from the tiles along the commode wall of the bathroom, and from the backs of the latex paint there as they removed paint to get to those tiles.

But if they were smart, they would take samples from the WHOLE bathroom wall which could include usual tissues from bathing, etc.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: mizjay on December 02, 2010, 07:45:39 PM
OMG--I just noticed.  That guy has the bridge of his nose pierced!!!!

How did you miss that?  Looks pretty painful to have that done to me but what would I know... the only thing I ever had pierced was my ear lobes.  I am afraid Zahra was thrown into a world of drugs and horror when she was removed from her grandmother in Australia.  It breaks my heart.

LOL ~ I'm so blind I thought it was glasses with no rims, OMG that is....I can't even come up with a word but the only thing that comes to mind is FUGLY. Ugh, and these are the people that idiot decided to make Zahra's new "family"


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: starwynn on December 02, 2010, 08:19:16 PM
Good morning, 

I am going to post my thoughts but know I feel bad about even bringing this up.

I KNOW I heard that there is a difference in blood splatter when someone is living versus when they are dead.  I think I heard it from one of the "experts" NG had on her show awhile back on this or some other case.

Seems once a person dies the blood does not splatter during dismemberment. There is much less to clean up. Though I am sure there would be evidence on the walls and ceiling in the bathroom, there would be no evidence in any other room if Zahra was not killed violently.  So, for me, I would wonder from which roooms the wall and floor boards were removed;  Only the bathroom?

I would like to say I spent many years living in a rural area where people "run over the hill".  Given the financial situation of the Bakers, regardless of where they go, it will likely be a place where people will not accept them.

Terri
I got into a discussion with my husband over with, when you die you still have the same amount of blood, so why wouldn't it splatter the same? I can't even believe I'm asking this  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but...

My understanding is that blood splatter can actually occur after death - but it would be splatter from the objects being used on the body.  What you will NOT get would be splatter from ejection of the blood from the body, from blood pressure.  'Trying to stay detached here so I can even type this (deep breath).  For example, say if someone cut a major artery with someone smooth after a person was dead, the blood won't spray on its own because there's no blood pressure there to push it out.  It will drip downwards - it won't propel outwards. But if someone lifted the smooth instrument quickly up, it's possible that blood can splatter from that instrument onto surfaces surrounding the victim.

If they find downward drips in the bedroom, it could show that she was already dead.  (another deep breath) ...I'm thinking about the cut out section of floor here, which could mean either cutting or I've thought perhaps hemorrhage if she were raped before being brought home.  Blood on the wall would indicate something completely different, and there was a section of wall taken from her room.

If something like a power tool was used, and the person was dead, there still can be splatter - but not the type that would indicate arterial flow.  For example, the bathtub area...  That's why they use splatter experts because the experts can tell the difference between a sling of blood from an instrument, or a splatter from a power tool, or a drip from the body, or a spray from arterial blood pressure from a living body.

It's hard to think about this stuff.  I apologize for typing it out, though I feel it is important.  In my own heart, and head, I separate this from Zahra who I truly believe is way past this.  But I want answers to questions that really bother me, so I think about this stuff... what will they find, and can they use it to absolutely prosecute the ba$+ards who did this to Zahra.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: starwynn on December 02, 2010, 08:26:26 PM
JMHO but I'm now thinking EvilE was into meth and prolly pain/downers.  Being as evil and dark as she was and then add meth which can make you BELIEVE anything and see things that aren't even there add to that it makes you hypersexual there is no telling what had been done to that poor child.  A WHOLE family and circle of friends let this little girl down.  You know why they didn't follow through with helping her????  They didn't want to run risk of losing their connect or LE looking at them closer.  Addicts don't want LE around at all even at the expense of a child!  I'm basing my thinking she was on meth due to the way I've seen her (in small video clips) answer people (tweaking), how much weight she lost and quick, and cause it is said all around her were on it.  Didn't someone say AY was a cook? MOO

Hypersexuality and self-medicating are also related to untreated bipolar disorder, which EB is said to have, and I would believe it reading her little delusions in her letters.  There was mention of EB taking some painpills (prescription) from AY; pain pill bottles were taken from the house.  If any of them were codeine/hydrocodone, there is such a thing as "codeine-mean".  I've seen that in person, and it IS evil.  Untreated bipolar disorder also can have some really awful aggression moments, which I have also seen in person from someone who (if treated) would never harm even a fly.  Add drugs and mental disorders, and it all makes sense.  Add a "husband" to that who shuts down emotionally, disassociates, and will bow to the will of an overbearing woman, and I see AB and EB.   


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: starwynn on December 02, 2010, 08:30:06 PM
OK, I'm caught up now.  Darn, you monkeys are BUSY monkeys today!  LOL  Sorry for the deluge of posts. I'm kind of embarrassed that my posts are all the last ones.  (blush!)

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Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Nana29 on December 02, 2010, 08:40:43 PM
OK, I'm caught up now.  Darn, you monkeys are BUSY monkeys today!  LOL  Sorry for the deluge of posts. I'm kind of embarrassed that my posts are all the last ones.  (blush!)

 ::MonkeyConfused::


BBM    ::MonkeyWink::    Not anymore.
To put in my two cents, I agree with your posts,. I said earlier about the difference in "spatter" being live vs dead, you said what I could not.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: theboyzmom on December 02, 2010, 08:49:43 PM
Finally caught up with you guys - here is my understanding of the blood difference between live and dead. After death, almost immediately, blood starts to break down. It does not clot any longer and the red cells start to explode. Therefore, the splatter from a dead body would have a different consistency and dispersion pattern. The same tool would, therefore, make a different look to a blood spatter expert because of those changes.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: melisb on December 02, 2010, 08:54:49 PM
JMHO but I'm now thinking EvilE was into meth and prolly pain/downers.  Being as evil and dark as she was and then add meth which can make you BELIEVE anything and see things that aren't even there add to that it makes you hypersexual there is no telling what had been done to that poor child.  A WHOLE family and circle of friends let this little girl down.  You know why they didn't follow through with helping her????  They didn't want to run risk of losing their connect or LE looking at them closer.  Addicts don't want LE around at all even at the expense of a child!  I'm basing my thinking she was on meth due to the way I've seen her (in small video clips) answer people (tweaking), how much weight she lost and quick, and cause it is said all around her were on it.  Didn't someone say AY was a cook? MOO

Correct you are on all points Starw.  Meth is said to be the absolute worst drug a bipolar person can be on.  I've seen what it can do to the ordinary person.  Imagine what is does to a bipolar nut like EvilE who considers herself a "dark fairy" anyhow.  I just have this horrible image in my head of her being so happy while unspeakable things are being done to Zahra's little body all the while hailing Satan.  I DO NOT know if she ever worshipped Satan this was just an awful thought I had in my head.  I can see the stupid beeyatch dancing with glee.  I hope she doesn't live a full day in gen pop!

Hypersexuality and self-medicating are also related to untreated bipolar disorder, which EB is said to have, and I would believe it reading her little delusions in her letters.  There was mention of EB taking some painpills (prescription) from AY; pain pill bottles were taken from the house.  If any of them were codeine/hydrocodone, there is such a thing as "codeine-mean".  I've seen that in person, and it IS evil.  Untreated bipolar disorder also can have some really awful aggression moments, which I have also seen in person from someone who (if treated) would never harm even a fly.  Add drugs and mental disorders, and it all makes sense.  Add a "husband" to that who shuts down emotionally, disassociates, and will bow to the will of an overbearing woman, and I see AB and EB.   


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: melisb on December 02, 2010, 08:56:44 PM
Sakes alive Star!!!!  I put myself right in the middle of your box!  I'm so sorry so I call PARTY IN THE BOX!!!!!


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Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on December 02, 2010, 09:05:23 PM
OK, I'm caught up now.  Darn, you monkeys are BUSY monkeys today!  LOL  Sorry for the deluge of posts. I'm kind of embarrassed that my posts are all the last ones.  (blush!)

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BBM    ::MonkeyWink::    Not anymore.
To put in my two cents, I agree with your posts,. I said earlier about the difference in "spatter" being live vs dead, you said what I could not.
I enjoyed your posts and learned from them  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: mymonkey on December 02, 2010, 09:13:41 PM
Quote
In a jailhouse letter obtained by ABC News last month, Elisa Baker wrote, "We really didn't kill her, but what he [Adam Baker] did after the fact is kinda horrifying."

This just keeps going around in my mind.

Kinda?

These people are beyond sick. They are pure evil.


Brandi...I can not believe you said that...The word "KINDA" stuck on me from the beginning. ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: 4 Donks on December 02, 2010, 09:39:50 PM
Quote
In a jailhouse letter obtained by ABC News last month, Elisa Baker wrote, "We really didn't kill her, but what he [Adam Baker] did after the fact is kinda horrifying."

This just keeps going around in my mind.

Kinda?

These people are beyond sick. They are pure evil.


Brandi...I can not believe you said that...The word "KINDA" stuck on me from the beginning.
Makes you wonder what she would find really horrifying. ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on December 02, 2010, 09:46:56 PM
I read that in the search warrant, there was a mention of DFS issues and calls going back to 1999 on EB Goth Monster. Did anyone else pick up on that ? I didn't pick that one out, but read it on WS.
She married Aaron in 1998. He would have been 20 or 21, his DOB is Dec of 1977. So, she was always like this, it didn't happen recently or when she came back from AU. Usually when DFS knocks, there is a reason. And then, they EB and AY were still together for several more years.
I hope that her daughters can overcome what they went thru and not be like her with their kids. I see her two girls as victims. At least one of them testified at the bond hearing, that must have taken alot of courage.   


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Brandi on December 02, 2010, 09:52:14 PM
I read that in the search warrant, there was a mention of DFS issues and calls going back to 1999 on EB Goth Monster. Did anyone else pick up on that ? I didn't pick that one out, but read it on WS.
She married Aaron in 1998. He would have been 20 or 21, his DOB is Dec of 1977. So, she was always like this, it didn't happen recently or when she came back from AU. Usually when DFS knocks, there is a reason. And then, they EB and AY were still together for several more years.
I hope that her daughters can overcome what they went thru and not be like her with their kids. I see her two girls as victims. At least one of them testified at the bond hearing, that must have taken alot of courage.   

From what I have heard about her, she has always been a user and abuser. Her dad kicked her out of his home, supposedly because she was making one of her daughters use a wheelchair to con the system into giving her benefits she did not deserve.

Yes, Amber showed a lot of courage testifying against her mother, I agree.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Curly on December 02, 2010, 09:59:34 PM
OMG--I just noticed.  That guy has the bridge of his nose pierced!!!!

How did you miss that?  Looks pretty painful to have that done to me but what would I know... the only thing I ever had pierced was my ear lobes.  I am afraid Zahra was thrown into a world of drugs and horror when she was removed from her grandmother in Australia.  It breaks my heart.

LOL ~ I'm so blind I thought it was glasses with no rims, OMG that is....I can't even come up with a word but the only thing that comes to mind is FUGLY. Ugh, and these are the people that idiot decided to make Zahra's new "family"

That's exactly what I saw! Never gave it a second glance.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: mizjay on December 02, 2010, 10:28:16 PM
OMG--I just noticed.  That guy has the bridge of his nose pierced!!!!

How did you miss that?  Looks pretty painful to have that done to me but what would I know... the only thing I ever had pierced was my ear lobes.  I am afraid Zahra was thrown into a world of drugs and horror when she was removed from her grandmother in Australia.  It breaks my heart.

LOL ~ I'm so blind I thought it was glasses with no rims, OMG that is....I can't even come up with a word but the only thing that comes to mind is FUGLY. Ugh, and these are the people that idiot decided to make Zahra's new "family"

That's exactly what I saw! Never gave it a second glance.
Curly!  thank you for saying that! Really it just wasn't on my radar for somebody to be pierced there...eww, no telling what else is. Now that I'm talking about him again, it's mind blowing how he's become the darling at WS. I know ppl are polite and all but he seems weird, all up in the mix of this and just loving it all a bit too much imo. Guess if you're "disabled" you can devote a lot of time to the web, FB and God knows where else.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Curly on December 02, 2010, 10:57:08 PM
I just went over to WS, Miz and they closed the thread for now, and it doesn't look like rockin' Aaron's been back since yesterday.
 You're  not alone. It never occurred to me that a person would have a piercing through the bone of their nose. It goes well with his lovely hairdo.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Brandi on December 02, 2010, 11:13:47 PM
Crowds small but steady at Zahra’s visitation

HICKORY,NC  (WBTV) – At the drum Funeral Home in Hickory Thursday night there were no huge crowds, but the chapel inside was never empty as a visitation was held  for ten year old Zahra Baker, the little girl who was the focus a massive searches in November until her dismembered  body was found.

Inside the Chapel, a video montage of photographs of Zahra was shown.  There were flowers on a table as well as small toys and other items that well wishers brought.

Debbie Holeman cried as she watched the pictures in the video. "Zahra is like the daughter I never had," she said.  "I want answers as to what happened and until I get them I don't know if I can ever get closure on this."

Holeman lives in the Dudley Road area of Caldwell County where some of Zahra's remains were found last month.

Alice Tuttle came to the visitation to pay her respects and spread the word about a new law she is hoping North Carolina lawmakers will consider. "I call it Zahra's law for abused children," she said.

Tuttle wants a hotline set up so children who are afraid to go home because of abuse can talk to someone and find safe haven "Until police can thoroughly check things out and make sure it is safe for the child to go home."

Tuttle already has more than 700 signatures on a petition and hopes to have more than 1000 before going to Raleigh to plead her case.

The Baker family did not attend the visitation. Zahra's father, Adam Baker, has received threats and police advised the family to hold their memorial to Zahra in private. No date has been set for that yet.

No charges have been filed in the death or the dismemberment of Zahra. Her stepmother, Elisa Baker is in jail on an obstruction of justice charge after admitting she wrote a ransom note to hinder the police investigation into the disappearance of Zahra in October.

According to search warrants unsealed this week it was Elisa Baker, through her attorneys, who told police where to find Zahra's remains and other evidence in the case.  Police say their investigation is not over.

The visitation will continue on Friday at Drum Funeral home in Hickory from 1pm to 4pm. The public is invited to come watch the video and sign the guestbook which will be sent to Zahra's biological mother in Australia.
http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13607529


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Brandi on December 02, 2010, 11:21:29 PM
Attorney to stay on in Elisa Baker case
Appointments end for Dubs, Killian


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Lisa Dubs, the attorney who was provisionally appointed to represent Elisa Baker, has had that appointment terminated, but Dubs said she will continue to represent Baker.

Both Dubs and Mark Killian, the provisional attorney for Adam Baker, had their appointments terminated by the state’s Office of the Capital Defender on Wednesday.

Dubs and Killian were appointed to represent the Bakers because the state thought the Bakers faced imminent murder charges for the death of Adam’s 10-year-old daughter, Zahra Baker, and that the state might be likely to pursue the death penalty.

Wednesday’s letter from the Office of the Capital Defender states that, “The termination of your appointment as provisional counsel for Ms. Baker only means that you will no longer by paid by the State for your services on behalf you Ms. Baker.”

Dubs would not say if she will represent Elisa free of charge. Dubs is well-known for defending high-profile murder suspects, and her website describes her specialties as “capital murder cases and serious felonies.”

Killian had been assigned to represent Adam Baker on several worthless check charges unrelated to Zahra’s disappearance before he was assigned to the case. Killian was not available for comment and did not return phone calls.

“This has been (District Attorney) Jay Gaither’s issue – it’s the one he’s raised with the media,” Dubs said. “As a practical matter, it doesn’t effect my or Mark Killian’s ability to represent Elisa Baker or Adam Baker.”

Gaither said the issue is whether the state had the right to appoint anyone in the case before anyone was charged with murder.

"The IDS (Office of Indigent Defense Services) Rule 2A.2(a) that grants authority to the office of the Capital Defender to grant provisional council is clear and unambiguous. The rule states that when the defendant is charged with murder, the right to council at taxpayers' expense is activated," Gaither said. "The assignment of Ms. Dubs and Mr. Killian that was filed in the office of the Catawba County Clerk of Court incorrectly stated that charges of murder had been taken out on Adam and Elisa Baker. The issue was not one of whether representation was warranted, but whether an assignment by the office of the Capital Defender was allowable as a matter of law."

The Office of the Capital Defender had provisionally assigned Dubs to represent the Elisa Baker because, “There is a significant probability that Baker will be arrested or indicted in the near future on the charge of first-degree murder or undesignated murder in the death of Zahra Baker,” according to court documents.
 
Killian’s appointment to the Baker case was similarly worded.

Local attorney Blair Cody has been practicing law for 10 years and said the appointment of provisional attorneys in capital cases is uncommon, but so is the Baker case.

“It may be unusual, but in my understanding of the rules, it’s not inappropriate,” he said. “I can’t think of another case where it’s been done, but I can’t think of another case quite like this one.”

Dubs said she has served as provisional counsel multiple times in previous cases since 2001, but was unable to say exactly how many times she has done so. She added that on most of those cases she never turned in a bill and was not paid for her services.

Dubs has been heavily involved in Baker’s case, but she said that in some cases she has been provisionally assigned to she did nothing more than hold a brief conversation with a suspect before another attorney was assigned to the case.

“Obviously, the pre-trial has been more complicated, but the trial itself may be no more complicated than a standard capital case,” she said. “The medial has complicated the case by focusing on details like whether or not I am representing Elisa.”

The letter terminating Dubs was written by Capital Defender Robert Hurley. It said, “On October 18, 2010, when I appointed you to be provisional counsel for Elisa Baker, it appeared that her arrest on a charge of first-degree murder, or undesignated murder was imminent. As of this date, however, she has not been arrested or indicted in connection with the death of her step-daughter, Zahra Baker.”

The letter goes on to state, “Since you were able to advise Ms. Baker regarding her constitutional rights … I believe that it is appropriate to terminate your appointment as provisional counsel at this time.” It also states that Baker “obviously needed the assistance of an attorney who could advise her during a critical time in the State’s ongoing investigation into the death of Zahra Baker.”

Killian’s letter was worded similarly.

The Office of the Capital Defender is a part of the Office of Indigent Services. According to the IDS 2007 report, capital murder cases are billed at a rate of $95 per hour. Cases require an average of 192 hours of work. When calculated with an assortment of additional fees, it costs the state an average of $19,249.05 to assign an attorney to a capital case.
http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/dec/02/attorney-stay-elisa-baker-case-ar-586219/


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Post by: 4 Donks on December 02, 2010, 11:26:06 PM
Crowds small but steady at Zahra’s visitation

HICKORY,NC  (WBTV) – At the drum Funeral Home in Hickory Thursday night there were no huge crowds, but the chapel inside was never empty as a visitation was held  for ten year old Zahra Baker, the little girl who was the focus a massive searches in November until her dismembered  body was found.

Inside the Chapel, a video montage of photographs of Zahra was shown.  There were flowers on a table as well as small toys and other items that well wishers brought.

Debbie Holeman cried as she watched the pictures in the video. "Zahra is like the daughter I never had," she said.  "I want answers as to what happened and until I get them I don't know if I can ever get closure on this."

Holeman lives in the Dudley Road area of Caldwell County where some of Zahra's remains were found last month.

Alice Tuttle came to the visitation to pay her respects and spread the word about a new law she is hoping North Carolina lawmakers will consider. "I call it Zahra's law for abused children," she said.

Tuttle wants a hotline set up so children who are afraid to go home because of abuse can talk to someone and find safe haven "Until police can thoroughly check things out and make sure it is safe for the child to go home."

Tuttle already has more than 700 signatures on a petition and hopes to have more than 1000 before going to Raleigh to plead her case.

The Baker family did not attend the visitation. Zahra's father, Adam Baker, has received threats and police advised the family to hold their memorial to Zahra in private. No date has been set for that yet.

No charges have been filed in the death or the dismemberment of Zahra. Her stepmother, Elisa Baker is in jail on an obstruction of justice charge after admitting she wrote a ransom note to hinder the police investigation into the disappearance of Zahra in October.

According to search warrants unsealed this week it was Elisa Baker, through her attorneys, who told police where to find Zahra's remains and other evidence in the case.  Police say their investigation is not over.

The visitation will continue on Friday at Drum Funeral home in Hickory from 1pm to 4pm. The public is invited to come watch the video and sign the guestbook which will be sent to Zahra's biological mother in Australia.
http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13607529
I'm glad to see this.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: faith1109 on December 02, 2010, 11:28:48 PM
Hello Monkeys.  I have been catching up and am not totally there yet.  Please forgive me if this has already been mentioned.

  Does anyone think there is a possibility that EB had a hand somewhere in this story of Zahra's sexual assault?  IIRC a "friend" turned this info over to authorities.  Not a stretch of the imagination to believe she may have planted this info???  This seems to create an alibi for EB and AB before the investigation focused on them.  To blame it all on these two men who assaulted ( I cannot write the name of what they have been accused of.  It makes me sick to my very soul) and then "hit her in the head". 

I am certainly not defending this scum, I'm sure they are not upstanding citizens.  But EB manipulates info and frames people at her will.  There is some room in my mind EB is behind this as a cover for what she and AB really did to Zahra. 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: 4 Donks on December 02, 2010, 11:36:47 PM
Hello Monkeys.  I have been catching up and am not totally there yet.  Please forgive me if this has already been mentioned.

  Does anyone think there is a possibility that EB had a hand somewhere in this story of Zahra's sexual assault?  IIRC a "friend" turned this info over to authorities.  Not a stretch of the imagination to believe she may have planted this info???  This seems to create an alibi for EB and AB before the investigation focused on them.  To blame it all on these two men who assaulted ( I cannot write the name of what they have been accused of.  It makes me sick to my very soul) and then "hit her in the head". 

I am certainly not defending this scum, I'm sure they are not upstanding citizens.  But EB manipulates info and frames people at her will.  There is some room in my mind EB is behind this as a cover for what she and AB really did to Zahra. 
The problem is that these people are all so deviant that the normal people can't think the way they do. How do we explain the evil that exists within these subhumans. I am at a loss. ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Puzzler on December 02, 2010, 11:39:59 PM
Hello Monkeys.  I have been catching up and am not totally there yet.  Please forgive me if this has already been mentioned.

  Does anyone think there is a possibility that EB had a hand somewhere in this story of Zahra's sexual assault?  IIRC a "friend" turned this info over to authorities.  Not a stretch of the imagination to believe she may have planted this info???  This seems to create an alibi for EB and AB before the investigation focused on them.  To blame it all on these two men who assaulted ( I cannot write the name of what they have been accused of.  It makes me sick to my very soul) and then "hit her in the head". 

I am certainly not defending this scum, I'm sure they are not upstanding citizens.  But EB manipulates info and frames people at her will.  There is some room in my mind EB is behind this as a cover for what she and AB really did to Zahra. 
The problem is that these people are all so deviant that the normal people can't think the way they do. How do we explain the evil that exists within these subhumans. I am at a loss. ::MonkeyNoNo::

Ditto!



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: faith1109 on December 03, 2010, 12:05:58 AM
Hello Monkeys.  I have been catching up and am not totally there yet.  Please forgive me if this has already been mentioned.

  Does anyone think there is a possibility that EB had a hand somewhere in this story of Zahra's sexual assault?  IIRC a "friend" turned this info over to authorities.  Not a stretch of the imagination to believe she may have planted this info???  This seems to create an alibi for EB and AB before the investigation focused on them.  To blame it all on these two men who assaulted ( I cannot write the name of what they have been accused of.  It makes me sick to my very soul) and then "hit her in the head". 

I am certainly not defending this scum, I'm sure they are not upstanding citizens.  But EB manipulates info and frames people at her will.  There is some room in my mind EB is behind this as a cover for what she and AB really did to Zahra. 
The problem is that these people are all so deviant that the normal people can't think the way they do. How do we explain the evil that exists within these subhumans. I am at a loss. ::MonkeyNoNo::

Ditto!



Yes, I agree.  But if you think about it, EB could conceivably believe this facade would be believable in her delusional drugged up state. Especially on a manic high when she believes she is invincible, smarter than others.  The "fantastic goth fairy" who was moving her chess pieces of those she knew.  Smarter than the authorities in her mind.  "I was trying to save us both"  she said.

Even a relative, even if distant, of AY.  She may have believed the authorities would buy the story of Zahra's attack, and then that they (the attackers) dismembered and disposed of her in so many different spots, but all local to them.  To set them up for her murder.  Both AB and EB's statements show they are hoping the authorities are dumb enough to believe their stories of alleged kidnappers.    Why go to all that trouble if you were not trying to stage her disposal and blame it on others?  What was the purpose of this sickening dismemberment???  And all the different locations of disposal?  What were they trying to stage?  All very close to the residence?

Was this an attempt to hide their prostitution of Zahra, in case some evidence did show Zahra had been active?  This could have been a good cover.  She was being abused "without our knowledge".  So sad this has been overused, but I am sick again thinking of this.



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on December 03, 2010, 12:19:20 AM
Rock Star is speaking on FB again,

"Aaron Young
First off @ Jan, My name is Aaron Young Get it straight, Second I dont know where you get i am/on IMVU with adam or elisa. Yes i was on imvu not with them, and you supposedly know so much about this "evil room" I guess that means you were there. People has seen my criminal record i dont know where u get im sammy young. James young is my brother and he is FREE & CLEAR of the whole rape bull shit. That whole accusation came from sammys ex girlfriend that was pissed off at sammy. james spent 10 hours being questioned took and passed a poly test."

Jan made an accusation about imvu and some virtual stuff about Zahra. That is what the "evil room" is about


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: starwynn on December 03, 2010, 12:49:33 AM
Hello Monkeys.  I have been catching up and am not totally there yet.  Please forgive me if this has already been mentioned.

  Does anyone think there is a possibility that EB had a hand somewhere in this story of Zahra's sexual assault?  IIRC a "friend" turned this info over to authorities.  Not a stretch of the imagination to believe she may have planted this info???  This seems to create an alibi for EB and AB before the investigation focused on them.  To blame it all on these two men who assaulted ( I cannot write the name of what they have been accused of.  It makes me sick to my very soul) and then "hit her in the head". 

I am certainly not defending this scum, I'm sure they are not upstanding citizens.  But EB manipulates info and frames people at her will.  There is some room in my mind EB is behind this as a cover for what she and AB really did to Zahra. 

Sadly, I had wondered the same thing!  I wouldn't put it past her to try ANY sick thing (even seeding false information) to try to get the heat off of her own tushy!   ::MonkeyMad::  And no matter what those two men supposedly did, she STILL didn't take that girl to the hospital.  So you're not really defending her at all - but recognizing her manipulative habits and thinking outside of the box.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: starwynn on December 03, 2010, 12:52:17 AM
Rock Star is speaking on FB again,

"Aaron Young
First off @ Jan, My name is Aaron Young Get it straight, Second I dont know where you get i am/on IMVU with adam or elisa. Yes i was on imvu not with them, and you supposedly know so much about this "evil room" I guess that means you were there. People has seen my criminal record i dont know where u get im sammy young. James young is my brother and he is FREE & CLEAR of the whole rape bull shit. That whole accusation came from sammys ex girlfriend that was pissed off at sammy. james spent 10 hours being questioned took and passed a poly test."

Jan made an accusation about imvu and some virtual stuff about Zahra. That is what the "evil room" is about

Looks like his facade of charm has done a whomping ker-PLOP on the floor.  After a few hours break, now comes the aggression.  A little too Jeckyl-and-Hyde for me.  Wonder if he's this volatile in person?  I suspect that he is.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: espresso lover on December 03, 2010, 07:32:45 AM
http://www.wsoctv.com/slideshow/news/26006135/detail.html

pics from the funeral home memorial


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on December 03, 2010, 07:47:25 AM
http://www.wsoctv.com/slideshow/news/26006135/detail.html

pics from the funeral home memorial

Thank you.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on December 03, 2010, 07:53:34 AM
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/12/03/1883153/bakers-lose-their-state-appointed.html
Bakers lose their state-appointed lawyers
Absence of murder charge in Zahra Baker's death leads to move to discharge attorneys.
ordonez@charlotteobserver.com
Posted: Friday, Dec. 03, 2010

The absence of murder charges in the death of Zahra Baker has led the state capital defender to remove two attorneys assigned to represent the 10-year-old's father and stepmother.

Bob Hurley, the N.C. capital defender, appointed Lisa Dubs to represent Elisa Baker on Oct. 18 when, he said, murder charges appeared "imminent." He then appointed Mark Killian to represent Adam Baker.

Hickory police announced on Oct. 12 they believed Zahra was dead. Her remains were later found in two different rural locations.

But eight weeks after they declared the case a homicide, charges have yet to be filed.

On Wednesday, Hurley removed the lawyers, citing the lack of charges.


As of this date...she has not been arrested or indicted in connection with the death of her stepdaughter, Zahra Baker," Hurley wrote of Elisa Baker in a letter to Dubs.

Catawba County District Attorney James Gaither Jr. could not be reached Thursday. Last month, he questioned whether it was appropriate to appoint capital defense attorneys to represent the Bakers - at taxpayers' expense - if they had not been charged with a capital offense.

The Indigent Defense Services Act of 2001 allows the capital defender to appoint a lawyer on a provisional basis "upon learning that a defendant has been charged with a capital offense." They're paid about $85 an hour.

Neither Dubs nor Killian returned calls for comment.

Hurley said Thursday he appointed them after Gaither told him of intentions to seek an indictment in the case from a grand jury on Nov. 1. Hurley also said Elisa Baker was being "interrogated" in connection with Zahra's death and he wanted to make sure Baker had proper counsel. Adam Baker's attorney on unrelated charges also requested that his client receive provisional counsel on what appeared to be a murder case, Hurley said.

"All you have to do is read the paper and listen to comments of law enforcement and follow their investigation," Hurley said. "Everyone in the state knows that Elisa Baker and Adam Baker are the leading suspects of the investigation."


Zahra Baker was reported missing on Oct. 9. The search for the freckled 10-year-old girl who lost part of her leg to bone cancer drew worldwide attention.

Elisa Baker is now in jail, charged with obstruction of justice, after police say she admitted writing a phony ransom note to mislead investigators.

Adam Baker was arrested Oct. 25 and later released on bond for unrelated charges, including assault and writing bad checks.

Court document unsealed this week revealed that Zahra may have been sexually and physically assaulted by two men before she died, according to an unnamed source. The source told police he got the information from talking to someone else. Police wouldn't say whether they consider the men suspects in Zahra's death.

It's unclear why no charges have been filed. Police have said only they will file charges when the investigation reaches the proper point.

Duke University Law School professor James Coleman said there could be a number of reasons for the delay.

The documents and police don't say how Zahra died. Coleman said if prosecutors seek a murder conviction, they will want a cause of death to argue that their defendant was responsible.


Coleman also said Zahra may not have been murdered.

"You don't know whether the death was the result of criminal act or whether the death may have been caused by something else," he said. "And then, for whatever reasons, the person tried to hide the body or prevent the detection."

This week's unsealed court documents include an account from Elisa Baker describing that latex gloves were used while Zahra's body was dismembered. They also describe how Elisa Baker rode around with police to locations where evidence had been discarded. Speaking through her attorney, Baker said she and her husband had thrown Zahra's prosthetic leg into a dumpster at an apartment complex in Hickory.

In a letter purportedly from Elisa Baker to the owner of a crime memorabilia website, Baker says her husband did something "horrifying" to the girl after her death.

"We didn't really kill her but what he did after the fact is kinda horrifying," says the letter, made public by the website owner.




Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Monkey King on December 03, 2010, 07:57:20 AM
Hey Folks- Still on my extended vacation/trip. I can't follow links or see pics as I'm accessing from my Blackberry. I've been lurking and trying to stay on top. I missed melisb's post about alleged tools used- would someone repost that? Also, with all these allegations swarming- with these two freakos- I'm wondering if Zahra was drugged. Nothing wouls surprise me anymore.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Nana29 on December 03, 2010, 08:35:52 AM
Good morning, 

I am going to post my thoughts but know I feel bad about even bringing this up.

I KNOW I heard that there is a difference in blood splatter when someone is living versus when they are dead.  I think I heard it from one of the "experts" NG had on her show awhile back on this or some other case.

Seems once a person dies the blood does not splatter during dismemberment. There is much less to clean up. Though I am sure there would be evidence on the walls and ceiling in the bathroom, there would be no evidence in any other room if Zahra was not killed violently.  So, for me, I would wonder from which roooms the wall and floor boards were removed;  Only the bathroom?

I would like to say I spent many years living in a rural area where people "run over the hill".  Given the financial situation of the Bakers, regardless of where they go, it will likely be a place where people will not accept them.

Terri
I got into a discussion with my husband over with, when you die you still have the same amount of blood, so why wouldn't it splatter the same? I can't even believe I'm asking this  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Just because I've seen lots of horror movies and this may make sense (hold your stomachs, it's going to get gross!).  If the Evil Pair had used hatchets or motorized toold to go through bone then I imagine it could sling bloody tissue from ceiling to floor when a person is dead or alive.  I'm sorry to say that.  I do think they used something like that if they put parts in garbage bags.  I still think they tried a wood chipper outside and those were small pieces they were picking up from their 21st ave./st. home.  Please forgive me but I wish nothing but long, constant, flesh burning pain on those two.  I would do it myself if I could.


MK? Is this the one?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: melisb on December 03, 2010, 10:00:30 AM
Thanks Nana!  Hi MK hope you're enjoying your time away!  The tool thing was nothing more than me speculating how the bone/tissue/blood would have been splattered on walls, ceiling and floors.  I said that electric saws, etc., would have the ability to sling stuff everywhere.  Hurry home.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Nana29 on December 03, 2010, 10:11:47 AM
Thanks Nana!  Hi MK hope you're enjoying your time away!  The tool thing was nothing more than me speculating how the bone/tissue/blood would have been splattered on walls, ceiling and floors.  I said that electric saws, etc., would have the ability to sling stuff everywhere.  Hurry home.

You're welcome!    ::MonkeyWink::

MK? What she said...    ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on December 03, 2010, 10:42:41 AM
Hello Monkeys.  I have been catching up and am not totally there yet.  Please forgive me if this has already been mentioned.

  Does anyone think there is a possibility that EB had a hand somewhere in this story of Zahra's sexual assault?  IIRC a "friend" turned this info over to authorities.  Not a stretch of the imagination to believe she may have planted this info???  This seems to create an alibi for EB and AB before the investigation focused on them.  To blame it all on these two men who assaulted ( I cannot write the name of what they have been accused of.  It makes me sick to my very soul) and then "hit her in the head". 

I am certainly not defending this scum, I'm sure they are not upstanding citizens.  But EB manipulates info and frames people at her will.  There is some room in my mind EB is behind this as a cover for what she and AB really did to Zahra. 

I definatly think this could be true.  Didn't one of the guys take and pass a LDT already?  It just sounds a little convenient to me.  And EB seems to know how to work the scummy men if you know what I mean.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 03, 2010, 12:27:12 PM
http://www.wcnc.com/news/zahra-baker/Hickory-funeral-home-holds-tribute-to-Zahra-Baker-111190149.html


Funeral home holds tribute to Zahra Baker

by BETH SHAYNE/NewsChannel 36
WCNC.com
Posted on December 2, 2010 at 9:56 AM
Updated today at 8:02 AM


HICKORY, N.C. -- The Hickory community is helping a mother heal from half way across the globe as many gather to honor Zahra Baker's short life.

The girl's family had originally planned a public memorial service, but family members changed their mind and decided instead to have a private service later.  Folks in Hickory gathered anyway Thursday night and they plan to gather again Friday night in memory of a 10-year-old disabled girl police say was dismembered after she died.

A Hickory funeral home invited people to sign a register book.  Drum Funeral Home also showed a memorial video tribute to Zahra Baker from 5 p.m. to 7 p.m. Thursday.  They will show the video again from 1 p.m. to 4 p.m. Friday.  That video was created by Adam Baker.

We're told the register book at the home will be sent to Zahra's biological mother in Australia. The home had originally planned to have a book for Adam Baker as well, but pushback from people in the community who still suspect him in Zahra's death convinced them to put that book away.

Police say Baker's remains were found in two separate locations last month. No one has been charged in her death or the disposal of her remains.

"We actually live about a half mile from Christie Road where a lot of the remains were found," Donna Huffman said. "It just makes you want to hug your own child a little tighter."

"I lost a child when he was 13 years old, and I guess it's one of those things where my heart is still aching," explained Fred Jones, who traveled to sign the book from Goldsboro. "I don't have a connection in any way to this family or this town, but I just love children."


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Love2Read on December 03, 2010, 01:03:11 PM
I am just so totally sick over this.  How could that idiot NOT know what happened when there was tissue on the walls???  He is just as guilty as any of them.  I hope they have the gloves that was used and they can get prints from the inside of them.  I bet I know whose prints that will be....

Just a reminder, as I was having a freaking fit over the same thing and my boyfriend reminded me of something.... really really very sick and upset.  And because of the horror of it all, I had forgotten a few things:

We shed a lot of tissue.  So it's not inconceivable to do scrapings FOR tissue on walls.  It doesn't mean "we found 33 tissue samples visable to the naked eye" (because that's the first thing I thought, honestly) or even samples that were indicated by chemical or mechanical indications, but simply samples. 

Now, that being said, it does sound like in some areas they found tissue (which again can include bone), hair, blood.  I would not be surprised if they took actual tissue samples from the tiles along the commode wall of the bathroom, and from the backs of the latex paint there as they removed paint to get to those tiles.

But if they were smart, they would take samples from the WHOLE bathroom wall which could include usual tissues from bathing, etc.


Starwyn, thank you for that explanation.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Monkey King on December 03, 2010, 02:25:32 PM
Thank you, Nana.
Hey, Melisb, Klaas and FCL!!
I think the funeral home got the message loud and clear from the community.
I really hope there is enough evidence for the ME's to determine a cause of death and this dismembering was done after death, not during to speed things up.
I cannot phathom how people could perform such a grizzly action and continue to reside in that home- as well as live with themselves.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: SuzieQ on December 03, 2010, 03:36:11 PM
Aaron is telling everyone on WS that the reason he is on pain medicine and disabled is because he has Rickets. What am I missing? This is from the Mayo Clinic site.


Definition
By Mayo Clinic staff
 
Rickets is the softening and weakening of bones in children, usually because of an extreme and prolonged vitamin D deficiency.

Vitamin D promotes the absorption of calcium and phosphorus from the gastrointestinal tract. A deficiency of vitamin D makes it difficult to maintain proper calcium and phosphorus levels in bones, which can cause rickets.

If a vitamin D or calcium deficiency causes rickets, adding vitamin D or calcium to the diet generally corrects any resulting bone problems for your child. Rickets due to a genetic condition may require additional medications or other treatment. Some skeletal deformities caused by rickets may need corrective surgery.

Symptoms
By Mayo Clinic staff
 
Signs and symptoms of rickets may include:

Delayed growth
Pain in the spine, pelvis and legs
Muscle weakness
Because rickets softens the growth plates at the ends of a child's bones, it can cause skeletal deformities such as:

Bowed legs
Abnormally curved spine
Thickened wrists and ankles
Breastbone projection
When to see a doctor
Talk to your doctor if your child develops bone pain, muscle weakness or obvious skeletal deformities.

Treatments and drugs
By Mayo Clinic staff
 
Most cases of rickets can be treated with vitamin D and calcium supplements. Follow your doctor's directions as to dosage, which may vary by the size of your child. Too much vitamin D can be dangerous.

Surgical and other procedures
For some cases of bowlegs or spinal deformities, your doctor may suggest special bracing to position your child's body appropriately as the bones grow. More severe skeletal deformities may require surgery.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/rickets/DS00813



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Monkey King on December 03, 2010, 03:39:34 PM
These two morons tried to stay one step ahead of the authorities. Zahra was sick and in need of medical treatment which they neglected to provide. Zahra's well being, as they knew her history, was shelved to save themselves from going to jail on their various charges and to continue their downward spiral into the abyss of human depravity. What possible explanation could justify their actions- even in their own sick minds? LE is giving AB what appears to be a wide berth. 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on December 03, 2010, 03:47:44 PM
Suzie Q-
I'm not sure if the person you are referring to may have had rickets as a child and is suffering from the effects (as listed in the list you posted) or:
http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/id/QAA76844
Q    
Can Adults Get Rickets?

What is osteomalacia?  What are the symptoms and what do you recommend for treatment?
A    
Answer (Published 7/16/2002)

Updated on 6/22/2005

Osteomalacia is softening of the bones in adults. When it occurs among children the disorder is called rickets and usually is due to a deficiency of vitamin D. Rickets was a common disease among youngsters in northern latitudes before milk was fortified with vitamin D. Other causes of osteomalacia include inadequate exposure to the sun's ultra violet rays (which allow the body to make vitamin D from a derivative of cholesterol in the skin) and intestinal malabsorption of vitamin D. The following can all lead to osteomalaciah: hereditary or acquired disorders of vitamin D metabolism, kidney failure, acidosis (excess acid in body fluids), phosphate depletion, kidney disease, and, sometimes, the side effects of drugs used to treat seizures, as well as chronic use of aluminum containing antacids. Other risk factors include remaining indoors (this usually applies to shut-ins who rarely go out) and avoiding milk or other dairy products containing vitamin D because of lactose intolerance.
Symptoms of osteomalacia are bone pain (especially in the hips), muscle weakness, numbness around the mouth, numbness in the arms and legs and spasm of the hands and feet. Untreated, bones may become so soft that they actually bend under the weight of the body. Clinical signs may be subtle in adults; the skeletal deformities may be overlooked until fractures occur after minimal trauma.
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Fortunately, osteomalacia responds well to treatment, which usually begins with large doses of vitamin D. A physician also may recommend calcium and phosphorus supplements if tests show that blood levels of these minerals are low and might be to blame for the bone softening. If intestinal malabsorption of vitamin D is the cause, larger doses of vitamin D may be recommend along with exposure to ultraviolet light.

With proper treatment, the condition of the bones begins to improve quickly and positive changes can be seen on bone X-rays within weeks. It usually takes about six months for complete recovery. I recommend that healthy adults take 2,000 IU of vitamin D a day, even if they live in sunny areas.

Andrew Weil, M.D.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Brandi on December 03, 2010, 04:03:30 PM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/ZahraClareBaker/zb2.png)



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: starwynn on December 03, 2010, 04:08:45 PM
Decreased bone mass and adult osteomalacia can also be caused by chronic alcoholism.  He had probably just better hush about his personal problems before he opens up Pandora's box.  Seems to me he's the guy who talks and talks and talks himself right into a hole.  Adam is the type who never talks, and when he opens your mouth, you realize why that original decision was a good one.  And Elisa wants the world to hear her magnificence, only no one gives a damn.  :)


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: starwynn on December 03, 2010, 04:09:29 PM
Decreased bone mass and adult osteomalacia can also be caused by chronic alcoholism.  He had probably just better hush about his personal problems before he opens up Pandora's box.  Seems to me he's the guy who talks and talks and talks himself right into a hole.  Adam is the type who never talks, and when he opens your mouth, you realize why that original decision was a good one.  And Elisa wants the world to hear her magnificence, only no one gives a damn.  :)

Oops, meant when he opens his mouth.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: pfaubush on December 03, 2010, 04:37:04 PM
Flat out and no other way to say it...AY sickens me. He lies, he uses drugs, he was married to EB for 10 years for crying out loud, and the worst, most vile and disgusting part is his obsession and 'deep love' for Zahra. He wasn't a parent or a relative or even someone that was in her bubble on a constant basis, yet he talks about his 'connection' to her and how much he loves her, and it makes me want to rip his piercing out and cram it! Sorry, I've held that in long enough. This guy just seems like a creepy sicko, and every time he opens his mouth it gets worse.



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Sister on December 03, 2010, 04:49:37 PM
Flat out and no other way to say it...AY sickens me. He lies, he uses drugs, he was married to EB for 10 years for crying out loud, and the worst, most vile and disgusting part is his obsession and 'deep love' for Zahra. He wasn't a parent or a relative or even someone that was in her bubble on a constant basis, yet he talks about his 'connection' to her and how much he loves her, and it makes me want to rip his piercing out and cram it! Sorry, I've held that in long enough. This guy just seems like a creepy sicko, and every time he opens his mouth it gets worse.


What you said . . . totally agree!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: bananas on December 03, 2010, 05:05:14 PM
Flat out and no other way to say it...AY sickens me. He lies, he uses drugs, he was married to EB for 10 years for crying out loud, and the worst, most vile and disgusting part is his obsession and 'deep love' for Zahra. He wasn't a parent or a relative or even someone that was in her bubble on a constant basis, yet he talks about his 'connection' to her and how much he loves her, and it makes me want to rip his piercing out and cram it! Sorry, I've held that in long enough. This guy just seems like a creepy sicko, and every time he opens his mouth it gets worse.


What you said . . . totally agree!

yup yup... I have to agree here too.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 03, 2010, 05:23:05 PM
#1  How long do you have broken bones?  3 broken bones in his leg?  Is that something that takes a lifetime to heal? 

#2  Since I have zero allegiance to WS and parts of their forum are open to all to read including the Aaron Young thread (or was, it may have gone underground now), you're damn right I'll copy the posts and NO, it is not at ALL like taking a therapy session and posting it. 



(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/AYPosts.jpg)


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on December 03, 2010, 05:26:05 PM
 ::MonkeyRoll:: Oh please, WS you don't have Aaron all to yourselves, even if you think you do.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on December 03, 2010, 05:36:04 PM
Flat out and no other way to say it...AY sickens me. He lies, he uses drugs, he was married to EB for 10 years for crying out loud, and the worst, most vile and disgusting part is his obsession and 'deep love' for Zahra. He wasn't a parent or a relative or even someone that was in her bubble on a constant basis, yet he talks about his 'connection' to her and how much he loves her, and it makes me want to rip his piercing out and cram it! Sorry, I've held that in long enough. This guy just seems like a creepy sicko, and every time he opens his mouth it gets worse.


What you said . . . totally agree!

yup yup... I have to agree here too.

His deep love for Zahra? Are you kidding me? WTH is that about? I am not sure I want to know


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Tolerance on December 03, 2010, 05:36:41 PM
Why would anyone post on an open forum under their real name and then expect anonymity?   
I would imagine that LOTS of folks are quoting the posts on WS and LOTS of people/LE  are monitoring them.
Good Grief.
Tol


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on December 03, 2010, 05:39:47 PM
Why would anyone post on an open forum under their real name and then expect anonymity?   
I would imagine that LOTS of folks are quoting the posts on WS and LOTS of people/LE  are monitoring them.
Good Grief.
Tol
The Aaron thread has now been closed.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on December 03, 2010, 05:43:28 PM
Why would anyone post on an open forum under their real name and then expect anonymity?   
I would imagine that LOTS of folks are quoting the posts on WS and LOTS of people/LE  are monitoring them.
Good Grief.
Tol
The Aaron thread has now been closed.

Did he ever speak of trying to help the child he claims he deeply loved?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: pfaubush on December 03, 2010, 05:48:02 PM
I Googled 'railbugfreak' and got hits about AY having a tattoo on him that says 'Zahra'. It was from Psychic Crime Fighters. I joined (because that's the only way you can see the posts) and it said there was a photo of it on radio newz, but it has since been taken down. Has anyone else heard or seen this? Is this even a reliable source? I was just trying to see how much, if any, reliability there was to AY's accounts of everything. I think that it was when I saw this that I got truly sick to my stomach and really started seeing exactly how pedo-ish his obsession seems. He may be a perfectly normal gentleman... ::MonkeyEek:: ...but something tells me...  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 03, 2010, 05:48:35 PM
Why would anyone post on an open forum under their real name and then expect anonymity?   
I would imagine that LOTS of folks are quoting the posts on WS and LOTS of people/LE  are monitoring them.
Good Grief.
Tol

Need I say more?  On disability but has enough money for piercings and likely tattoos as well.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/AaronYoungMyspace.jpg)


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Leroy on December 03, 2010, 05:59:00 PM
::MonkeyRoll:: Oh please, WS you don't have Aaron all to yourselves, even if you think you do.

They can have him and all of his LOL's....he did nothing for me but seek attention.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on December 03, 2010, 06:01:45 PM
::MonkeyRoll:: Oh please, WS you don't have Aaron all to yourselves, even if you think you do.

They can have him and all of his LOL's....he did nothing for me but seek attention.
Exactly, and from the above photo, he looks dumb and foolish.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: 4myjoey on December 03, 2010, 06:10:09 PM

Agreement: No Death Penalty, Life In Prison For Elisa Baker
Posted: 4:35 pm EST December 3, 2010Updated: 4:59 pm EST December 3, 2010

HICKORY, N.C. -- Elisa Baker, Zahra Baker’s stepmother, if she’s convicted will not face the death penalty or life in prison in the case under an agreement struck with the district attorney, Eyewitness News has learned.

Elisa Baker has been in jail since early October, after police said she admitted to writing a fake ransom note found the day Zahra was reported missing.

No one has been charged in the death or disappearance of Zahra, whose remains were found in Caldwell County on Nov. 10.

A written agreement between Elisa Baker and prosecutors takes the death penalty and life in prison off the table in the case, sources have confirmed to Channel 9. Elisa Baker’s attorney helped her reach the agreement, which calls for her continuing cooperation in the investigation, weeks ago, at a time when investigators were desperately looking for evidence in the case.

Elisa Baker began working with detectives in late October. Search warrants released earlier this week say that she told detectives that Zahra was dismembered and pointed them to a Dumpster near a grocery store in Hudson, telling them that a comforter and car cover were used to hide remains.

She also told investigators that a mattress belonging to Zahra had been thrown in a Dumpster. Investigators spent days searching a Caldwell County landfill before finding it.
http://www.wsoctv.com/news/26012582/detail.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 03, 2010, 06:12:38 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/AaronZahraTattoo.jpg)


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Curly on December 03, 2010, 06:25:37 PM
Uhm, LWOP is also off the table for Gothmonster?
What exactly is going on there?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on December 03, 2010, 06:26:10 PM
::MonkeyRoll:: Oh please, WS you don't have Aaron all to yourselves, even if you think you do.
Well, I never copied and pasted his WS posts. They are open to the public, so why would I ?
I got mine from various FB, starting about Nov 11. His own and the Zahra Project ones. And other places. They can have Aaron all to themselves because I certainly didn't want to read any more than I read. 
...
So, EB is not going to get the DP or life in prison, What the heck, they haven't even had the trial, the evidence is not all back and this decision has been made ? I realize that without her cooperation, Zahra would still be unfound, but the sheer brutality that they must have known about when she started talking would seem like putting the cart before the horse. A deal was made with the devil here. That  DA , are they elected in NC ?   


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Tolerance on December 03, 2010, 06:27:09 PM
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Zahra%2520Baker%2520%2520-NC-/aaronzahramyspace.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.psychiccrimefighter.com/feed/view/id_24304/&usg=__s4xxliO5bZ01oYulTtMYXMYRchg=&h=485&w=599&sz=63&hl=en&start=0&sig2=9Zhv3W-FxLWjh38Stt11gQ&zoom=1&tbnid=3Blh_2Etub5kdM:&tbnh=137&tbnw=161&ei=c3z5TOvWAoqWOrGosdcH&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dzahra%2Btattoo%2Baaron%2Byoung%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1276%26bih%3D603%26gbv%3D2%26tbs%3Disch:1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=123&vpy=73&dur=9078&hovh=202&hovw=250&tx=170&ty=152&oei=c3z5TOvWAoqWOrGosdcH&esq=1&page=1&ndsp=19&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0

Here is a pic of Aaron w/ Zahra.  Can anyone make out the tattoo on his arm?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: pfaubush on December 03, 2010, 06:27:18 PM

Agreement: No Death Penalty, Life In Prison For Elisa Baker
Posted: 4:35 pm EST December 3, 2010Updated: 4:59 pm EST December 3, 2010

HICKORY, N.C. -- Elisa Baker, Zahra Baker’s stepmother, if she’s convicted will not face the death penalty or life in prison in the case under an agreement struck with the district attorney, Eyewitness News has learned.

Elisa Baker has been in jail since early October, after police said she admitted to writing a fake ransom note found the day Zahra was reported missing.

No one has been charged in the death or disappearance of Zahra, whose remains were found in Caldwell County on Nov. 10.

A written agreement between Elisa Baker and prosecutors takes the death penalty and life in prison off the table in the case, sources have confirmed to Channel 9. Elisa Baker’s attorney helped her reach the agreement, which calls for her continuing cooperation in the investigation, weeks ago, at a time when investigators were desperately looking for evidence in the case.

Elisa Baker began working with detectives in late October. Search warrants released earlier this week say that she told detectives that Zahra was dismembered and pointed them to a Dumpster near a grocery store in Hudson, telling them that a comforter and car cover were used to hide remains.

She also told investigators that a mattress belonging to Zahra had been thrown in a Dumpster. Investigators spent days searching a Caldwell County landfill before finding it.
http://www.wsoctv.com/news/26012582/detail.html

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek:: I hope that someone over there has literacy issues and misread that she won't at VERY least get life!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on December 03, 2010, 06:30:37 PM
Up here, we had Karla Homolka, they made a deal with her. Alot of public outrage.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: mizjay on December 03, 2010, 06:33:50 PM
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Zahra%2520Baker%2520%2520-NC-/aaronzahramyspace.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.psychiccrimefighter.com/feed/view/id_24304/&usg=__s4xxliO5bZ01oYulTtMYXMYRchg=&h=485&w=599&sz=63&hl=en&start=0&sig2=9Zhv3W-FxLWjh38Stt11gQ&zoom=1&tbnid=3Blh_2Etub5kdM:&tbnh=137&tbnw=161&ei=c3z5TOvWAoqWOrGosdcH&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dzahra%2Btattoo%2Baaron%2Byoung%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1276%26bih%3D603%26gbv%3D2%26tbs%3Disch:1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=123&vpy=73&dur=9078&hovh=202&hovw=250&tx=170&ty=152&oei=c3z5TOvWAoqWOrGosdcH&esq=1&page=1&ndsp=19&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0

Here is a pic of Aaron w/ Zahra.  Can anyone make out the tattoo on his arm?

Now if he got that tat before Zahra's murder....no doubt, too weird to be normal . Nobody gets inked for your ex wife/sister 's step child you've only known for a short while...now if he did it after, probably every one of them hopped in the car & ran down to get the Zahra tat


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 03, 2010, 06:40:36 PM
Uhm, LWOP is also off the table for Gothmonster?
What exactly is going on there?

Not sure but maybe they are putting together a case against Adam?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 03, 2010, 06:42:18 PM
I tried reading the tattoo on his arm but couldn't tell.  Doesn't look like it says Zahra though:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/aaronzahramyspace.jpg)


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Curly on December 03, 2010, 06:43:53 PM
Could be Klaas. We can only hope.
This is really outrageous.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 03, 2010, 06:44:01 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/tattooaaron.jpg)


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Tolerance on December 03, 2010, 06:44:26 PM
UMMM,
thinking about the deal w/ EB.
If they negotiated to have DP and LWOP off the table does that mean they admit there was a murder vs. desecration of a corpse? 
Does this mean that EB KNOWS Zahra was murdered?
If she died from neglect, why would they have to negotiate regarding DP and LWOP ???


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Curly on December 03, 2010, 06:49:21 PM
As far as I can see, they were negotiating in exchange for information as to her whereabouts.
EB has to know Zahra was murdered, she participated. I don't believe she died from neglect.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Curly on December 03, 2010, 06:50:55 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/tattooaaron.jpg)

I see the words God and Me.
Can't read anything else.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Nana29 on December 03, 2010, 06:56:48 PM
As far as I can see, they were negotiating in exchange for information as to her whereabouts.
EB has to know Zahra was murdered, she participated. I don't believe she died from neglect.



i think you are right...and lets hope they are honing in on POS and nail him but good!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: mizjay on December 03, 2010, 06:58:04 PM
Uhm, LWOP is also off the table for Gothmonster?
What exactly is going on there?

Not sure but maybe they are putting together a case against Adam?
It seems like it would have to be something big like a case against AB. That's some big concessions, no DP, no LWOP, no 1st degree. Plus she started "helping" soon after being incarcerated, so it wasn't like months had gone by and they were desperate for help.  IDK??  I hope they're putting a case against him.
Also there's a lot of press and international press about Zahra, they better have a good reason for this. 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: pfaubush on December 03, 2010, 07:09:29 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/tattooaaron.jpg)

I see the words God and Me.
Can't read anything else.

His FB page said "Only God can judge me" so I be that is what his arm says. JMO He sure has left himself open for everyone else to judge though!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Curly on December 03, 2010, 07:13:00 PM
That's true, pfa. He sure did.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Brandi on December 03, 2010, 07:18:07 PM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/ZahraClareBaker/Untitled-1.png)

Still cannot read it, but looks like some kind of ghoulish monster.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: sadheart on December 03, 2010, 07:22:34 PM
As far as I can see, they were negotiating in exchange for information as to her whereabouts.
EB has to know Zahra was murdered, she participated. I don't believe she died from neglect.

Well why don't they just turn the cb lose, WITHOUT protection, after all Zahra didn't have any, and let's see how long she lasts. ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: mizjay on December 03, 2010, 07:23:17 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/tattooaaron.jpg)

I see the words God and Me.
Can't read anything else.

His FB page said "Only God can judge me" so I be that is what his arm says. JMO He sure has left himself open for everyone else to judge though!
Isn't that what Ron Cummings had plastered on the back of his truck? Must be the catch phrase for ppl. that do wrong but don't want anybody to call them on it.  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on December 03, 2010, 07:35:11 PM
"Only God Can Judge Me' by Tupac Shakar


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on December 03, 2010, 08:23:27 PM
Up here, we had Karla Homolka, they made a deal with her. Alot of public outrage.
There sure was, I followed that closely.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: starwynn on December 03, 2010, 08:30:29 PM

Agreement: No Death Penalty, Life In Prison For Elisa Baker
Posted: 4:35 pm EST December 3, 2010Updated: 4:59 pm EST December 3, 2010

HICKORY, N.C. -- Elisa Baker, Zahra Baker’s stepmother, if she’s convicted will not face the death penalty or life in prison in the case under an agreement struck with the district attorney, Eyewitness News has learned.

Elisa Baker has been in jail since early October, after police said she admitted to writing a fake ransom note found the day Zahra was reported missing.

No one has been charged in the death or disappearance of Zahra, whose remains were found in Caldwell County on Nov. 10.

A written agreement between Elisa Baker and prosecutors takes the death penalty and life in prison off the table in the case, sources have confirmed to Channel 9. Elisa Baker’s attorney helped her reach the agreement, which calls for her continuing cooperation in the investigation, weeks ago, at a time when investigators were desperately looking for evidence in the case.

Elisa Baker began working with detectives in late October. Search warrants released earlier this week say that she told detectives that Zahra was dismembered and pointed them to a Dumpster near a grocery store in Hudson, telling them that a comforter and car cover were used to hide remains.

She also told investigators that a mattress belonging to Zahra had been thrown in a Dumpster. Investigators spent days searching a Caldwell County landfill before finding it.
http://www.wsoctv.com/news/26012582/detail.html

Oh God, surely there's a condition that can be broken, right???  please??  I feel like sobbing.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on December 03, 2010, 08:43:30 PM
Him and Ron Cummings like that saying, Only God Can Judge Me. My grammar is atrocious.
........

ps, I am a Canadian, I hear ya'll elect these Justice persons.
We " appoint " them, which is usually political. Both systems have flaws & drawbacks.
... 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on December 03, 2010, 08:50:15 PM
If that was the only way they could get the info, then so be it.
These cops and searchers had to make as assessment based on what they had at the time. She would not have been found otherwise. But Mr. SOB sperm donor didn't have alot of pressure put on him and I don't think that without his Mommy or his pseudo Mommy EB that he could have held up in jail.
I can only say that I cannot express my outrage in a polite way. But we have to be realistic.
Another thing, she might have or will agree to plead guilty on some counts.   


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: pfaubush on December 03, 2010, 08:59:30 PM
He did tattoo her name on him. I found this on his YouTube channel. I think I just threw up a little.

(http://i352.photobucket.com/albums/r351/pfaubush/1.jpg)


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: SuzieQ on December 03, 2010, 09:02:57 PM
Suzie Q-
I'm not sure if the person you are referring to may have had rickets as a child and is suffering from the effects (as listed in the list you posted) or:
http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/id/QAA76844
Q    
Can Adults Get Rickets?

What is osteomalacia?  What are the symptoms and what do you recommend for treatment?
A    
Answer (Published 7/16/2002)

Updated on 6/22/2005

Osteomalacia is softening of the bones in adults. When it occurs among children the disorder is called rickets and usually is due to a deficiency of vitamin D. Rickets was a common disease among youngsters in northern latitudes before milk was fortified with vitamin D. Other causes of osteomalacia include inadequate exposure to the sun's ultra violet rays (which allow the body to make vitamin D from a derivative of cholesterol in the skin) and intestinal malabsorption of vitamin D. The following can all lead to osteomalaciah: hereditary or acquired disorders of vitamin D metabolism, kidney failure, acidosis (excess acid in body fluids), phosphate depletion, kidney disease, and, sometimes, the side effects of drugs used to treat seizures, as well as chronic use of aluminum containing antacids. Other risk factors include remaining indoors (this usually applies to shut-ins who rarely go out) and avoiding milk or other dairy products containing vitamin D because of lactose intolerance.
Symptoms of osteomalacia are bone pain (especially in the hips), muscle weakness, numbness around the mouth, numbness in the arms and legs and spasm of the hands and feet. Untreated, bones may become so soft that they actually bend under the weight of the body. Clinical signs may be subtle in adults; the skeletal deformities may be overlooked until fractures occur after minimal trauma.
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Fortunately, osteomalacia responds well to treatment, which usually begins with large doses of vitamin D. A physician also may recommend calcium and phosphorus supplements if tests show that blood levels of these minerals are low and might be to blame for the bone softening. If intestinal malabsorption of vitamin D is the cause, larger doses of vitamin D may be recommend along with exposure to ultraviolet light.

With proper treatment, the condition of the bones begins to improve quickly and positive changes can be seen on bone X-rays within weeks. It usually takes about six months for complete recovery. I recommend that healthy adults take 2,000 IU of vitamin D a day, even if they live in sunny areas.

Andrew Weil, M.D.


Muffy I never heard of Osteomalacia, but according to even this article, it is treatable. Aaron is Elise's ex-husband, and from what I have been reading he has been drawing disability for awhile. I see no where in the article on rickets, or what you just posted on Osteomalacia that it is treated with pain medication. And apparently he has also been on pain meds for awhile.
Don't get me wrong, I know plenty of people that need pain meds to just to get through the day. I have been there. Maybe I have been jaded by the Cummings crew, but when these young people that are able to do whatever they want to do recreationaly wise, but can't live without their pain meds, I call BS.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: SuzieQ on December 03, 2010, 09:05:02 PM
Flat out and no other way to say it...AY sickens me. He lies, he uses drugs, he was married to EB for 10 years for crying out loud, and the worst, most vile and disgusting part is his obsession and 'deep love' for Zahra. He wasn't a parent or a relative or even someone that was in her bubble on a constant basis, yet he talks about his 'connection' to her and how much he loves her, and it makes me want to rip his piercing out and cram it! Sorry, I've held that in long enough. This guy just seems like a creepy sicko, and every time he opens his mouth it gets worse.



Agree


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: SuzieQ on December 03, 2010, 09:20:52 PM
Should have read ahead. You all said it better than I could.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 03, 2010, 09:25:43 PM
He did tattoo her name on him. I found this on his YouTube channel. I think I just threw up a little.

(http://i352.photobucket.com/albums/r351/pfaubush/1.jpg)

What part of his body is this?  Definately says Zahra:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/AYTattooZahra.jpg)

http://www.youtube.com/user/railbugfreak


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: SuzieQ on December 03, 2010, 09:30:07 PM
Looks like his lower arm, wrist area.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on December 03, 2010, 09:32:49 PM
The pic you've posted looks like the left wrist and upper part of the left hand, above the thumb, Klaas.    In the other pic that shows the right arm tatooed, with the "Only God Can Judge Me" on it, you can't see the left arm or wrist, but you can see the fingers of the left hand, (knuckles) and they also have tats. 


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Post by: pfaubush on December 03, 2010, 09:35:03 PM
Looks like his lower arm, wrist area.

That was what I was thinking.


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Post by: klaasend on December 03, 2010, 09:42:57 PM
Looks like his lower arm, wrist area.

AH, ok I can see how ZAHRA could be right above his wrist bone.  Thanks!


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Post by: klaasend on December 03, 2010, 09:43:52 PM
The pic you've posted looks like the left wrist and upper part of the left hand, above the thumb, Klaas.    In the other pic that shows the right arm tatooed, with the "Only God Can Judge Me" on it, you can't see the left arm or wrist, but you can see the fingers of the left hand, (knuckles) and they also have tats. 

Yes, it would be the left.  I just couldn't tell at all at first.


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Post by: Terri on December 03, 2010, 09:48:15 PM
Good evening all,

I stepped out to get gifts for my five year old and came back to this news....something isn't right.

How can they make a deal with EB when there is no guarantee anyone could even prove murder.  I mean, if EB is testifying against AB or anyone else, it is heresay.  They can say she is trying to save herself, etc.  thus leaving it open for no one to be brought to justice. 

I understand and can agree that something needed to be done to find Zahra, but in my mind there must be much more LE knows. 

As for Karla Holmalka, the way I understand it is they found evidence after the plea deal making everyone upset.  Karla played everyone and now walks free with a new identity.  I think EB is too much into certain cultures to be able to take on a new identity. 

This entire situation boggles the mind.

Terri


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Post by: Lake Erie Princess on December 03, 2010, 10:08:14 PM
He did tattoo her name on him. I found this on his YouTube channel. I think I just threw up a little.

(http://i352.photobucket.com/albums/r351/pfaubush/1.jpg)

What part of his body is this?  Definately says Zahra:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/AYTattooZahra.jpg)

http://www.youtube.com/user/railbugfreak
IMO this is as sick and telling as one can get !


 ::MonkeyMad::
Aaron acts as if he was a "parent" in Z's life !
Was this precious child MORE 2 him than a friend ? Did Gothmommy pimp her out to him, or did he sell her ?
These people need to step back from their crack pipes. His brain is fried for sure.

 ::MonkeyMad::
U mark my word, my gut feeling is that Aaron had some part in Z's death or life, and it was not going to amusement parks, I am thinking.
I feel it so strongly. There is something so wrong about Aaron. I read on WS and FB and he tries too hard to be everyone's good guy. He is not selling me a thing !


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Post by: Lake Erie Princess on December 03, 2010, 10:10:49 PM
DOES ANYONE HAVE A LINK ABOUT THE ALLEGED DEAL EB HAS MADE ?


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Post by: klaasend on December 03, 2010, 10:15:05 PM
DOES ANYONE HAVE A LINK ABOUT THE ALLEGED DEAL EB HAS MADE ?

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13614355


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Post by: Lake Erie Princess on December 03, 2010, 10:20:12 PM
http://www.wsoctv.com/video/26013546/index.html

WTH ???????? ::MonkeyMad::


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Post by: Kat_Gram on December 03, 2010, 10:22:56 PM
 

As for Karla Holmalka, the way I understand it is they found evidence after the plea deal making everyone upset.  Karla played everyone and now walks free with a new identity.  I think EB is too much into certain cultures to be able to take on a new identity. 

This entire situation boggles the mind.

Terri
[/quote]
You are correct. They found videos of their crimes up in the ceiling. They removed the pot lighting and the videos had been put up there showing that Karla wasn't forced to go along, wasn't an abused spouse wasn't an unwilling participant. I think if IRC that she got the drugs from a vet that knocked off her own sister.
//////////
Someone had told me earlier that the tats on AY's knuckles said " OZZY". Could be worse.
..........
AY has children in his house I think. He did mention a boy on his FB, but there are pix of girls and I don't know who they belong to. Kinda creeps me out in a funny way. The " love " for Zahra seemed a bit over the top. He is not a blood relation, saw her in Feb and then once in August. Before that, who knows, lived close in the same area.


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Post by: luvmyboys on December 03, 2010, 11:21:51 PM
Just wanted to let you guys all know. I was just watching the news here in NC and they said elisa baker HAS made some kind of deal. It was brakeing news. It was on wxii news 12


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Post by: luvmyboys on December 03, 2010, 11:24:55 PM
So sorry I didn't know you guys knew. My bad just ignore my post so sorry


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: statru on December 03, 2010, 11:31:24 PM
that deal is horse$hit...people here are PISSED.  ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: luvmyboys on December 03, 2010, 11:40:23 PM
What is the deal. The news I watched didn't say. They just said there was a deal. I am on my blackberry and can't click on any links :(


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Post by: klaasend on December 03, 2010, 11:43:07 PM
What is the deal. The news I watched didn't say. They just said there was a deal. I am on my blackberry and can't click on any links :(

Elisa Baker cut a deal with the prosecution.  No death penalty and no life in prison if she gave information regarding the death and whereabouts of Zahra's body. 


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Post by: luvmyboys on December 03, 2010, 11:48:02 PM
WOW I am speechless. How could they?? And why is adam NOT in jail ughhhhh


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: pfaubush on December 03, 2010, 11:58:15 PM
So, they can't give her life. That begs the question, can they give her 99 years without posibility of parole or something similar, so that it becomes life?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on December 04, 2010, 12:12:20 AM
What is the deal. The news I watched didn't say. They just said there was a deal. I am on my blackberry and can't click on any links :(

Elisa Baker cut a deal with the prosecution.  No death penalty and no life in prison if she gave information regarding the death and whereabouts of Zahra's body.  

We'll never know, but I wonder if Zahra's remains would have been found without her help. Can they sentence her to 100 years without possibility of parole?


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Post by: crazybabyborg on December 04, 2010, 12:14:05 AM
So, they can't give her life. That begs the question, can they give her 99 years without posibility of parole or something similar, so that it becomes life?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Great minds, pfaubush! 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Nana29 on December 04, 2010, 12:25:22 AM
So, they can't give her life. That begs the question, can they give her 99 years without posibility of parole or something similar, so that it becomes life?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Great minds, pfaubush! 


Let's hope and pray LE has the same great minds...


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Monkey King on December 04, 2010, 12:49:14 AM
This is a gruesome, brutal and horrific crime. We don't know who EB rolled over on or what information she told LE. EB just may have the key to addition crimes, missing persons, etc. I find it hard to believe, but EB may wind up being the least depraved and most credible of this group in NC. We're going to have to sit this one out and wait for the GJ to indict. Public outrage isn't going to permitt this case to fade away. LE worked too hard on this case.


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Post by: Monkey King on December 04, 2010, 12:56:07 AM
From what I understand there are numerous other warrants which haven't been released, correct?


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Post by: statru on December 04, 2010, 02:01:17 AM
From what I understand there are numerous other warrants which haven't been released, correct?


From what I read there are 2 more, they are having a hearing Dec 13 I think to determine if they want to release those as well


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: bananas on December 04, 2010, 02:20:49 AM
Uhm, LWOP is also off the table for Gothmonster?
What exactly is going on there?

That is unbelievable.  Why in the world would they even offer her that?  Gah!!

I saw the photo of the Zahra tattoo as well.  I wasn't sure if it was Aaron's tattoo but wondered if it was and I thought that was weird myself.


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Post by: bananas on December 04, 2010, 02:37:42 AM
Does anyone know what the picture is under the Zahra tattoo?  Looks like a jack in the box.  I think it is very strange that he would have a tattoo of his ex wife's step daughter.  Who does that???


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Post by: KCJackie on December 04, 2010, 02:40:54 AM
Why would anyone post on an open forum under their real name and then expect anonymity?   
I would imagine that LOTS of folks are quoting the posts on WS and LOTS of people/LE  are monitoring them.
Good Grief.
Tol

Need I say more?  On disability but has enough money for piercings and likely tattoos as well.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/AaronYoungMyspace.jpg)

But....but...he's accomplished!! ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: bananas on December 04, 2010, 02:57:53 AM
Why would anyone post on an open forum under their real name and then expect anonymity?   
I would imagine that LOTS of folks are quoting the posts on WS and LOTS of people/LE  are monitoring them.
Good Grief.
Tol

Need I say more?  On disability but has enough money for piercings and likely tattoos as well.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/AaronYoungMyspace.jpg)

But....but...he's accomplished!! ::MonkeyDevil::
What is the accomplishment???  The only thing I can see that he has accomplished is to look fugly and foolish.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Nightowl on December 04, 2010, 03:08:38 AM
No death penalty for Zahra's stepmother December 4, 2010 - 3:10PM
 
 
Elisa Baker appears in court. Photo: AP

Zahra Baker's US stepmother has struck a deal that saves her from being executed or sentenced to life in prison if convicted of an offence related to the 10-year-old Australian girl's death, according to US reports.

North Carolina prosecutors agreed to the deal with Elisa Baker in return for her help with the murder investigation.

Soon after the deal was made, Zahra's dismembered remains and prosthetic leg were found by search teams in various bush locations outside the town of Hickory, where Zahra lived with her biological father Adam Baker and stepmother Elisa Baker.

Advertisement: Story continues below The 10-year-old was born in Wagga Wagga but moved to the US with her father.

It is believed Elisa Baker led police to Zahra's remains and prosthetic leg.

Zahra was reported missing on October 9 and Elisa Baker was arrested a day later.

She has been held in a North Carolina jail since on an obstruction of justice charge related to a fake ransom note and charges unrelated to Zahra's disappearance.

Hickory police have not charged anyone in connection with Zahra's death, but have not ruled Elisa Baker and Adam Baker out as suspects.

Under the deal, reported by North Carolina TV station WSOC, prosecutors agreed not to charge Elisa with first-degree murder, meaning that if she's convicted, she would not face the death penalty or life in prison without parole.

Locals are outraged by the deal and point to the horrific life Zahra, who had her leg amputated following bone cancer, was forced to endure.

''This child suffered from cancer. I don't think that a second-degree murder charge is justice,'' Sherrie Rowell-Monnell, who visited a memorial dedicated to Zahra, told the Hickory Record newspaper.

''This child's body was dismembered and put in awful places. I think if I had a decision, it would be first-degree murder and the death penalty.''

AAP

http://www.smh.com.au/world/no-death-penalty-for-zahras-stepmother-20101204-18kkd.html

 ::MonkeyMad::


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Post by: Nightowl on December 04, 2010, 04:39:03 AM
I copied this from another forum where one of their members went to the memorial service at the funeral home, I hope it is ok to post it here, I think it gives some insight into EB's behaviour towards Zahra and backs up what has been reported before.  One thing I noticed is that the poster gets the names wrong regarding Sammy as being AY's brother instead of his cousin but I think it was just a mistake.



"They have an agreement with stepmom not to charge her with murder, but I do hope they charge her with something serious for all the lies she has told. All the Youngs have been cleared of any charges as far as rape and assault, which evil stepmom said happened.

I went to the visitation again this afternoon and Aaron Young's (stepmom's husband when she married Adam) mom was there with her daughter. They spoke for about an hour, and said Sammy is her youngest son and the other guy accused of the rape is his cousin. At the time that Eliza said this 'rape' took place, both guys were at work, and LE has checked it out and cleared both of them.

Eliza told Adam, that Aaron was her brother, and Adam did not believe he was her husband until Aaron got his divorce in 2009 and took the divorce papers over and showed them to him. Adam looked at Eliza and said then we are not legally married in the USA and Eliza said, 'what ever'. I felt so sorry for the Young mom and sister. There were about 30 ppl there, and some woman, as she was leaving, said mom needed to be quiet and show respect for the others that were there. The lady said mom should stop speaking badly about step-mom. Mrs Young also said she had visited with Adam's mom since she has been here. She said grandma Baker said Adam would not allow any one spank Zahra back in Australia. She said he was a very good and caring father, but he had really changed after he got involved with Eliza on the internet. When they were married in Australia in 2008, Adam was not the same toward Zahra, and when they were planning to move to USA, she asked if Zahra could stay with her. She said Adam asked Zahra what she preferred, and she said she wanted to be with her dad. Bless her heart, she didn't know her dad would change so much. I have cried off and on all day. While I was listening to Mrs Young talk about Zahra, my heart was breaking. She said Zahra was always smiling, and when she went to the Baker's trailer, Eliza would order Zahra to her room and tell her not to come out till she told her to. Mrs Young said Eliza was afraid she would say something about Eliza and Aaron still being married and Zahra might tell her dad."

http://www.realitychatter.com/missing-murdered-f30/zahra-baker-found-deceased-11-10-10-t2818-380.htm#81168



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on December 04, 2010, 08:11:02 AM
http://www.theage.com.au/world/dead-girls-stepmother-strikes-mercy-deal-20101204-18krm.html
Dead girl's stepmother strikes mercy deal
Los Angeles
    * 12:07AM Sunday Dec 05, 2010

ZAHRA Baker's US stepmother has struck a deal that saves her from being executed or sentenced to life in prison if convicted of an offence related to the 10-year-old Australian girl's death.

North Carolina prosecutors agreed to the deal with Elisa Baker in return for her help with the murder investigation, according to US reports yesterday.

Soon after the deal was made, Zahra's dismembered remains and prosthetic leg were found by search teams in various bush locations outside the town of Hickory, where Zahra lived with her biological father Adam Baker and stepmother.
Advertisement: Story continues below

The 10-year-old was born in Wagga Wagga but moved to the US with her father.
t is believed Elisa Baker led police to Zahra's remains and prosthesis. Zahra was reported missing on October 9. Elisa Baker was arrested a day later.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Terri on December 04, 2010, 11:26:47 AM
I may be completely wrong, but I think I have heard in the past that some sentences in some states carry more weight than "life".  I have read of outrage when someone given LWOP was paroled due to some loophole or change.  I do not remember but know I read it.
Conversely, there are some sentences that you  may as well be serving life.

So, is there a possibility that they have already told EB what charges she will face and what sentence she will receive?  And speaking from experience with family members, in my state the judge does not have to go along with the recommendations of the prosecutor.  The criminal never know what will happen until the gavel falls.

Terri


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Post by: Terri on December 04, 2010, 11:28:29 AM
I also want to say that I agree that the tattoo of Zahra's name is questionable to say the least.  Something is off. 

Terri


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Post by: sassifrass on December 04, 2010, 11:50:08 AM
IMO, I don't think the gothmonsters will last 1 year once they are thrown in the state pen. Those ruff necks in there will destroy them. They don't like child criminals, especially after what they did to Zahra. So whether they are sentenced to 9 years or 99 years, I'll bet they don't last more than 1 year in there. There will be no place to hide.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on December 04, 2010, 12:21:05 PM
The deal is that she has to co operate fully.
Else no deal.
Somwhere I read that expect no more charges, etc until Jan.
Lab results and all that.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 04, 2010, 12:34:49 PM
He did tattoo her name on him. I found this on his YouTube channel. I think I just threw up a little.

(http://i352.photobucket.com/albums/r351/pfaubush/1.jpg)

What part of his body is this?  Definately says Zahra:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/AYTattooZahra.jpg)

http://www.youtube.com/user/railbugfreak

Klaas

It may be these almost 64 year old eyes require a new pair of specs but ... I cannot make out the name "Zahra".  Could you please zero in on it.

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 04, 2010, 12:37:37 PM
The deal is that she has to co operate fully.
Else no deal.
Somwhere I read that expect no more charges, etc until Jan.
Lab results and all that.

A necessary deal with the devil.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I hope you are keeping well Kat_Gram.

Janet


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 04, 2010, 12:47:33 PM
Hi Grandma Karma.

I see ya in the rafter but you do not post often.  I miss ya.

Good News!!  My sixth grandbaby is on the way.

 ::MonkeyDance::

Janet


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on December 04, 2010, 01:50:57 PM
Hi Janet, OT, CONGRATS. I have three, new grandaughter is 8 months. Never thought I would see that baby ! ps, Because of me and she was a hi risk babe. But she is 100 % perfect. And I am about a 80%, best that I can be.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: starwynn on December 04, 2010, 02:34:56 PM
I also want to say that I agree that the tattoo of Zahra's name is questionable to say the least.  Something is off. 

Terri

I'm going to agree with you completely on this.  I know people do this for family  members they've lost, but it's really inappropriate for a man of this age, not related, etc to do it.  I'm trying to think what he was doing and when he got the tattoo.  Did he do it before they determined for sure that she was dead?  Did he do it to try to show "Oh I loved her so much - I couldn't have been involved?"  Did he do it because he had inappropriately strong feelings or relationship with her?  Or did he do it just because he's a blooming idiot?  THAT certainly can't be ruled out.  :P


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 04, 2010, 02:49:47 PM
Hi Janet, OT, CONGRATS. I have three, new grandaughter is 8 months. Never thought I would see that baby ! ps, Because of me and she was a hi risk babe. But she is 100 % perfect. And I am about a 80%, best that I can be.

OT

Congratulations to you!  I am thankful your new granddaughter is fine.  You have been truly blessed.

I have four grandsons and one granddaughter.  Another granddaughter would be nice but ... considering I would not trade any of my grandsons for anything this world has to offer ... I know I will be rejoicing either way.

One day at time Kat ... One day at a time.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet



 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 04, 2010, 03:08:56 PM
He did tattoo her name on him. I found this on his YouTube channel. I think I just threw up a little.

(http://i352.photobucket.com/albums/r351/pfaubush/1.jpg)

What part of his body is this?  Definately says Zahra:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/AYTattooZahra.jpg)

http://www.youtube.com/user/railbugfreak

Klaas

It may be these almost 64 year old eyes require a new pair of specs but ... I cannot make out the name "Zahra".  Could you please zero in on it.

Thanks

Janet



See now?

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/1-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 04, 2010, 03:11:05 PM
Yup!

Thank Klaas.

That is absolutely weird.

Janet


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: mymonkey on December 04, 2010, 03:46:00 PM
He did tattoo her name on him. I found this on his YouTube channel. I think I just threw up a little.

(http://i352.photobucket.com/albums/r351/pfaubush/1.jpg)

What part of his body is this?  Definately says Zahra:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/AYTattooZahra.jpg)

http://www.youtube.com/user/railbugfreak

Klaas

It may be these almost 64 year old eyes require a new pair of specs but ... I cannot make out the name "Zahra".  Could you please zero in on it.

Thanks

Janet

Good afternoon monkeys, ::HelloKitty::


When I saw the tatoo the first thing I thought of was hat crazy bunch that call themselves "Juggalos" 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: pfaubush on December 04, 2010, 05:16:10 PM
He did tattoo her name on him. I found this on his YouTube channel. I think I just threw up a little.

(http://i352.photobucket.com/albums/r351/pfaubush/1.jpg)

What part of his body is this?  Definately says Zahra:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/AYTattooZahra.jpg)

http://www.youtube.com/user/railbugfreak

Klaas

It may be these almost 64 year old eyes require a new pair of specs but ... I cannot make out the name "Zahra".  Could you please zero in on it.

Thanks

Janet

Good afternoon monkeys, ::HelloKitty::


When I saw the tatoo the first thing I thought of was hat crazy bunch that call themselves "Juggalos" 

Yep. Card carrying wackadoos!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Tolerance on December 04, 2010, 05:44:18 PM
The Zahra Tat seems to be poorly or hastily done.  Not a good looking tat by any means.
Poor Zahra, she deserved to be around loving and caring folks, not this band of ..................................I don't know what they are............I've not seen many like them, that is for sure.
RIP, little angel.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: 4 Donks on December 04, 2010, 06:41:40 PM
OK my ignorance will be showing but are tats expensive to get ? EB has a lot and so does AY and both are unemployed or on disability.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Lenie on December 04, 2010, 07:02:57 PM
OK my ignorance will be showing but are tats expensive to get ? EB has a lot and so does AY and both are unemployed or on disability.

My youngest brother is a tattoo artist, they can run anywhere from $20 to up to the thousands.  A lot of AY's tattoos look to be home done. Like the guy down the street does them or some such. My youngest daughter has a cross on her leg that runs from her ankle to her knee (on the side) and it cost her almost $400. And no mom has no tats so not sure why she chose to do this.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Brandi on December 04, 2010, 07:23:12 PM
Prosecutor: Death penalty still on the table in Zahra case
by Franco Ordoñez | Charlotte ******* WCNC.com
Posted on December 4, 2010 at 6:18 PM

HICKORY, N.C.-- The prosecutor involved in the Zahra Baker case has indicated that the death penalty and first-degree murder charges are not off the table as possible punishments if the Hickory girl is found to have been murdered.

"We're under no obligation not to pursue capital murder charges or first-degree murder charges against any individual if there is sufficient and credible evidence to prove that Zahra Baker was murdered by that individual," District Attorney James Gaither Jr. told the ******* on Saturday.

The district attorney of Catawba County declined to comment on the existence or non-existence of an agreement between the state and Zahra's stepmother, Elisa Baker.

Several television stations have reported that Gaither signed an agreement with Baker that would allow her to avoid the death penalty and first-degree murder charges if she cooperated in the investigation into Zahra's disappearance and death.

But a source who spoke on the condition of anonymity told the ******* the agreement was contingent on, among other things, Baker being truthful in her assistance of law enforcement in the investigation.

Zahra was reported missing Oct. 9. The search for the freckled girl who lost part of her leg to bone cancer drew worldwide attention.

Media outlets from as far a away as Australia, where Zahra was born, traveled to Hickory to report on the search that spanned Burke, Caldwell and Catawba counties.

Her remains were found a month later in two separate rural locations in Caldwell County.

No one has been charged in connection with her death. Both Elisa Baker and Zahra's father, Adam Baker, have denied any wrongdoing in the case.

Elisa Baker's attorney, Lisa Dubs, couldn't be reached Saturday. She was removed from the case as a state-appointed attorney, but she told the Hickory Daily Record that she would continue to represent Baker.

Elisa Baker is in jail, charged with obstruction of justice, after police say she admitted to writing a phony ransom note to mislead investigators looking into Zahra's disappearance.

A first-degree murder conviction can be punishable by life in prison or the death penalty. Second-degree murder is punishable by sentences ranging from seven years to more than 32 years in prison depending on the defendant's criminal record and the circumstances surrounding the killing.

Court documents unsealed last week revealed that Baker provided a substantial amount of assistance to investigators in their search for evidence. She rode with police and directed them to locations where evidence had been discarded. Through Dubs, Baker told an investigator that latex gloves were used while Zahra's body was dismembered.

Dubs also said investigators might find remains in the bathtub drain at the Bakers' Hickory home. Baker also said she and her husband, Adam Baker, dumped a mattress that belonged to Zahra at a trash dump in Granite Falls.

Elisa Baker took a polygraph test. When asked two questions - "Did you hurt Zahra?" and "Do you know the person who wrote that ransom note?" - she showed deception on each, according to the documents. Staff writer Gary L. Wright contributed.
http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Prosecutor-Death-penalty-still-on-the-table-in-Zahra-case-111324889.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Brandi on December 04, 2010, 07:28:27 PM
OK my ignorance will be showing but are tats expensive to get ? EB has a lot and so does AY and both are unemployed or on disability.

My youngest brother is a tattoo artist, they can run anywhere from $20 to up to the thousands.  A lot of AY's tattoos look to be home done. Like the guy down the street does them or some such. My youngest daughter has a cross on her leg that runs from her ankle to her knee (on the side) and it cost her almost $400. And no mom has no tats so not sure why she chose to do this.

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/ZahraClareBaker/Image157.png)

The "Zahra" above his wrist looks like it could even be in black magic marker to me.  But who knows. And I doubt many care.

 ::MonkeyEek::



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 04, 2010, 07:57:06 PM
Prosecutor: Death penalty still on the table in Zahra case
by Franco Ordoñez | Charlotte ******* WCNC.com
Posted on December 4, 2010 at 6:18 PM

HICKORY, N.C.-- The prosecutor involved in the Zahra Baker case has indicated that the death penalty and first-degree murder charges are not off the table as possible punishments if the Hickory girl is found to have been murdered.

"We're under no obligation not to pursue capital murder charges or first-degree murder charges against any individual if there is sufficient and credible evidence to prove that Zahra Baker was murdered by that individual," District Attorney James Gaither Jr. told the ******* on Saturday.

The district attorney of Catawba County declined to comment on the existence or non-existence of an agreement between the state and Zahra's stepmother, Elisa Baker.

Several television stations have reported that Gaither signed an agreement with Baker that would allow her to avoid the death penalty and first-degree murder charges if she cooperated in the investigation into Zahra's disappearance and death.

But a source who spoke on the condition of anonymity told the ******* the agreement was contingent on, among other things, Baker being truthful in her assistance of law enforcement in the investigation.

Zahra was reported missing Oct. 9. The search for the freckled girl who lost part of her leg to bone cancer drew worldwide attention.

Media outlets from as far a away as Australia, where Zahra was born, traveled to Hickory to report on the search that spanned Burke, Caldwell and Catawba counties.

Her remains were found a month later in two separate rural locations in Caldwell County.

No one has been charged in connection with her death. Both Elisa Baker and Zahra's father, Adam Baker, have denied any wrongdoing in the case.

Elisa Baker's attorney, Lisa Dubs, couldn't be reached Saturday. She was removed from the case as a state-appointed attorney, but she told the Hickory Daily Record that she would continue to represent Baker.

Elisa Baker is in jail, charged with obstruction of justice, after police say she admitted to writing a phony ransom note to mislead investigators looking into Zahra's disappearance.

A first-degree murder conviction can be punishable by life in prison or the death penalty. Second-degree murder is punishable by sentences ranging from seven years to more than 32 years in prison depending on the defendant's criminal record and the circumstances surrounding the killing.

Court documents unsealed last week revealed that Baker provided a substantial amount of assistance to investigators in their search for evidence. She rode with police and directed them to locations where evidence had been discarded. Through Dubs, Baker told an investigator that latex gloves were used while Zahra's body was dismembered.

Dubs also said investigators might find remains in the bathtub drain at the Bakers' Hickory home. Baker also said she and her husband, Adam Baker, dumped a mattress that belonged to Zahra at a trash dump in Granite Falls.

Elisa Baker took a polygraph test. When asked two questions - "Did you hurt Zahra?" and "Do you know the person who wrote that ransom note?" - she showed deception on each, according to the documents. Staff writer Gary L. Wright contributed.
 
http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Prosecutor-Death-penalty-still-on-the-table-in-Zahra-case-111324889.html

"District Attorney James Gaither Jr." or "a source"?  Who is more credible?  I am thinking ...   I am thinking ...

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet

 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on December 04, 2010, 09:02:56 PM
I have looked at the tat below Z's name. I do not think it is a jack in the box.
THAT WOULD BE TOO NORMAL FOR AY !

IMO, it is a "court jester."
A jester is a Medieval clown, that entertained
Kings and Noblemen in the period of the Middle Ages.

How appropriate.....a character from the Renaissance Era,
and probably may represent that era, as I beleve it ties in
to strange beliefs. Fortune telling, traveling gypsies,
etc.......

What do u all think ?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: starwynn on December 04, 2010, 09:37:20 PM
There's a commonly used tattoo that is a jack n the box with an evil clown-jester type thing for the jack or whatever they call the clown guy.

It's popular with the same type of person who would like demonic clown imagery.  There are a lot of examples if you google tattoo designs or something like "Jack n the box tattoo" images on Google.  (I found a site, but afraid to post it here because it might link to something else - who knows.)

I try to be a little lenient on people when looking at their tattoos; a lot of people try to look more tough and cool than they are with their tattoos.  But some tattoos will show you whether or not a person has much care for society by some choices. 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: statru on December 04, 2010, 09:59:37 PM



"District Attorney James Gaither Jr." or "a source"?  Who is more credible?  I am thinking ...   I am thinking ...

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet

 

RIght now a lot of people arent happy he was voted back in


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: pfaubush on December 04, 2010, 09:59:39 PM
On the topic of tattoos...not all people with tattoos are weird freaks. I have one on my leg, one on my shoulder and my entire back is covered with one. All of them can be covered, and if you looked at me (ask Monkey King, as I think she has seen my FB photo) you would never guess I had one.

Someone asked about the price. Smaller ones are often charged by the piece but larger ones usually run $85-$100 per hour here on the west coast. When I lived in Colorado, the prices ran about the same.

I agree with the person that said those look like home jobs. Anyone can go on ebay and buy a tattoo gun. I bought one for $40 that included the entire professional setup including needles, ink, and the shipping. Mine is for tattooing rabbits though, not people (though I think the the use of the word people when describing these degenerates is a stretch).


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Babybear on December 04, 2010, 10:14:45 PM
On the topic of tattoos...not all people with tattoos are weird freaks. I have one on my leg, one on my shoulder and my entire back is covered with one. All of them can be covered, and if you looked at me (ask Monkey King, as I think she has seen my FB photo) you would never guess I had one.

Someone asked about the price. Smaller ones are often charged by the piece but larger ones usually run $85-$100 per hour here on the west coast. When I lived in Colorado, the prices ran about the same.

I agree with the person that said those look like home jobs. Anyone can go on ebay and buy a tattoo gun. I bought one for $40 that included the entire professional setup including needles, ink, and the shipping. Mine is for tattooing rabbits though, not people (though I think the the use of the word people when describing these degenerates is a stretch).

Pf--Not judging, just wondering.  Why did you get those tattoos? If that's too personal, never mind.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 04, 2010, 10:23:06 PM
On the topic of tattoos...not all people with tattoos are weird freaks. I have one on my leg, one on my shoulder and my entire back is covered with one. All of them can be covered, and if you looked at me (ask Monkey King, as I think she has seen my FB photo) you would never guess I had one.

Someone asked about the price. Smaller ones are often charged by the piece but larger ones usually run $85-$100 per hour here on the west coast. When I lived in Colorado, the prices ran about the same.

I agree with the person that said those look like home jobs. Anyone can go on ebay and buy a tattoo gun. I bought one for $40 that included the entire professional setup including needles, ink, and the shipping. Mine is for tattooing rabbits though, not people (though I think the the use of the word people when describing these degenerates is a stretch).

I agree.

A 27 year old young man at our church ... my son's friend for twenty began getting tattoos following gradulation from high school.  This guy is very good looking ... educated ... hard working and ... has a heart of gold.  However ... his arms and back are covered with a beautiful colorful design which I would appreciate if it was on canvas and framed.  The scarey thing is ... he claims he is not done.  Although he is loved for himself ... my son shared that none of their group of long time friends for the most part understand what makes this guy tick in regards to his obsession with tattoos.

Today ... Matt was the coordinator over 20 young adults at sandwich making meet and ... at this moment most of the group are on Hasting Street in downtown Vancouver handing our these sandwiches to the homeless.

pfaubush ... I am afraid that one day Matt is going to have regrets.

Janet
   


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: San on December 04, 2010, 10:33:51 PM
On the topic of tattoos...not all people with tattoos are weird freaks. I have one on my leg, one on my shoulder and my entire back is covered with one. All of them can be covered, and if you looked at me (ask Monkey King, as I think she has seen my FB photo) you would never guess I had one.

Someone asked about the price. Smaller ones are often charged by the piece but larger ones usually run $85-$100 per hour here on the west coast. When I lived in Colorado, the prices ran about the same.

I agree with the person that said those look like home jobs. Anyone can go on ebay and buy a tattoo gun. I bought one for $40 that included the entire professional setup including needles, ink, and the shipping. Mine is for tattooing rabbits though, not people (though I think the the use of the word people when describing these degenerates is a stretch).

I agree.

A 27 year old young man at our church ... my son's friend for twenty began getting tattoos following gradulation from high school.  This guy is very good looking ... educated ... hard working and ... has a heart of gold.  However ... his arms and back are covered with a beautiful colorful design which I would appreciate if it was on canvas and framed.  The scarey thing is ... he claims he is not done.  Although he is loved for himself ... my son shared that none of their group of long time friends for the most part understand what makes this guy tick in regards to his obsession with tattoos.

Today ... Matt was the coordinator over 20 young adults at sandwich making meet and ... at this moment most of the group are on Hasting Street in downtown Vancouver handing our these sandwiches to the homeless.

pfaubush ... I am afraid that one day Matt is going to have regrets.

Janet
   

I finally got my first tattoo after many years of thinking about getting one.  Not in a million years would you think I had one.  I think it's beautiful and I'm happy I got it.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Shell on December 04, 2010, 10:37:32 PM
There's a commonly used tattoo that is a jack n the box with an evil clown-jester type thing for the jack or whatever they call the clown guy.

It's popular with the same type of person who would like demonic clown imagery.  There are a lot of examples if you google tattoo designs or something like "Jack n the box tattoo" images on Google.  (I found a site, but afraid to post it here because it might link to something else - who knows.)

I try to be a little lenient on people when looking at their tattoos; a lot of people try to look more tough and cool than they are with their tattoos.  But some tattoos will show you whether or not a person has much care for society by some choices. 

Excellent observation >>>"But some tattoos will show you whether or not a person has much care for society by some choices. " (so true IMHO)


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Shell on December 04, 2010, 10:46:05 PM


I also think a lot depends on geography. Tats are socially accepted in certain locals more than others.

From personal experience, I came to the conclusion it is their butt (or whatever), and not mine so it is none of my business. I would never prejudge someone because of a tattoo, but that's just me.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Shell on December 04, 2010, 10:48:02 PM

Is it known when he got the Zahara tattoo? I am just getting here and did not backtrack. Tks


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 04, 2010, 10:48:59 PM
On the topic of tattoos...not all people with tattoos are weird freaks. I have one on my leg, one on my shoulder and my entire back is covered with one. All of them can be covered, and if you looked at me (ask Monkey King, as I think she has seen my FB photo) you would never guess I had one.

Someone asked about the price. Smaller ones are often charged by the piece but larger ones usually run $85-$100 per hour here on the west coast. When I lived in Colorado, the prices ran about the same.

I agree with the person that said those look like home jobs. Anyone can go on ebay and buy a tattoo gun. I bought one for $40 that included the entire professional setup including needles, ink, and the shipping. Mine is for tattooing rabbits though, not people (though I think the the use of the word people when describing these degenerates is a stretch).

I agree.

A 27 year old young man at our church ... my son's friend for twenty began getting tattoos following gradulation from high school.  This guy is very good looking ... educated ... hard working and ... has a heart of gold.  However ... his arms and back are covered with a beautiful colorful design which I would appreciate if it was on canvas and framed.  The scarey thing is ... he claims he is not done.  Although he is loved for himself ... my son shared that none of their group of long time friends for the most part understand what makes this guy tick in regards to his obsession with tattoos.

Today ... Matt was the coordinator over 20 young adults at sandwich making meet and ... at this moment most of the group are on Hasting Street in downtown Vancouver handing our these sandwiches to the homeless.

pfaubush ... I am afraid that one day Matt is going to have regrets.

Janet
   

I finally got my first tattoo after many years of thinking about getting one.  Not in a million years would you think I had one.  I think it's beautiful and I'm happy I got it.

San ... liked you ... I wish Matt had been more conservative.  Up until the past year ... his tattoos could be covered if necessary by wearing a long sleeve shirt.  However ... that is now history when you consider the backs of his hands.

This guy is currently involved in a serious relationship and ... I think his girlfriend may be a positive influence in the tattoo department.  At least that the prayer of Matt's mother.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: bdfmom on December 04, 2010, 10:58:07 PM
Hi everyone this is my first post here but I have followed Zahras case from the begining.
I saw on AYs FB page before it was closed that he his wife and one other didnt say who were all getting Zahra tats. Id say hes had it approximatley 2 weeks.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Lenie on December 04, 2010, 10:59:32 PM
My daughters tattoos are beautiful. She never wears shorts when she goes anywhere, always blue jeans or khakis, so you can't see it. She also has several on her back. A huge cross, praying hands with the name Billy (my deceased mother ) under them, and another closer to the bottom that is huge in my opinion.  I don't judge people by the body art either.  They make the choices and have to live with those choices. I believe you can portray yourself differently and have the same tattoos as others and be looked at differently. (if that makes any sense.) The only reason I don't have one is because I am a chicken :)

As far as the death penalty thing, if they find one little thing that EB lied about, I think it would make the contract null.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: pfaubush on December 04, 2010, 11:09:51 PM
On the topic of tattoos...not all people with tattoos are weird freaks. I have one on my leg, one on my shoulder and my entire back is covered with one. All of them can be covered, and if you looked at me (ask Monkey King, as I think she has seen my FB photo) you would never guess I had one.

Someone asked about the price. Smaller ones are often charged by the piece but larger ones usually run $85-$100 per hour here on the west coast. When I lived in Colorado, the prices ran about the same.

I agree with the person that said those look like home jobs. Anyone can go on ebay and buy a tattoo gun. I bought one for $40 that included the entire professional setup including needles, ink, and the shipping. Mine is for tattooing rabbits though, not people (though I think the the use of the word people when describing these degenerates is a stretch).

I agree.

A 27 year old young man at our church ... my son's friend for twenty began getting tattoos following gradulation from high school.  This guy is very good looking ... educated ... hard working and ... has a heart of gold.  However ... his arms and back are covered with a beautiful colorful design which I would appreciate if it was on canvas and framed.  The scarey thing is ... he claims he is not done.  Although he is loved for himself ... my son shared that none of their group of long time friends for the most part understand what makes this guy tick in regards to his obsession with tattoos.

Today ... Matt was the coordinator over 20 young adults at sandwich making meet and ... at this moment most of the group are on Hasting Street in downtown Vancouver handing our these sandwiches to the homeless.

pfaubush ... I am afraid that one day Matt is going to have regrets.

Janet
   

Janet, my tats are one in a long string of regrets. I don't feel comfortable swimming when we have homeschool swim for the kids, I don't like to wear certain clothes, my wedding dress had to fit the bill, etc. But, alas, they are a part of me and who I once was.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Nana29 on December 04, 2010, 11:35:47 PM
My daughters tattoos are beautiful. She never wears shorts when she goes anywhere, always blue jeans or khakis, so you can't see it. She also has several on her back. A huge cross, praying hands with the name Billy (my deceased mother ) under them, and another closer to the bottom that is huge in my opinion.  I don't judge people by the body art either.  They make the choices and have to live with those choices. I believe you can portray yourself differently and have the same tattoos as others and be looked at differently. (if that makes any sense.) The only reason I don't have one is because I am a chicken :)

As far as the death penalty thing, if they find one little thing that EB lied about, I think it would make the contract null.


I have a daughter with tattoos...her choice, some I think are ok, some, hmm...her choice. I personally decided I didn't want to start with a rosebud and as time and gravity took place end up with the whole blooming rose!     ::MonkeyDevil::
As far as AY/Zahra tat? I have a hard time with his motives behind it...don't think they were all innocent.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 04, 2010, 11:57:45 PM
My daughters tattoos are beautiful. She never wears shorts when she goes anywhere, always blue jeans or khakis, so you can't see it. She also has several on her back. A huge cross, praying hands with the name Billy (my deceased mother ) under them, and another closer to the bottom that is huge in my opinion.  I don't judge people by the body art either.  They make the choices and have to live with those choices. I believe you can portray yourself differently and have the same tattoos as others and be looked at differently. (if that makes any sense.) The only reason I don't have one is because I am a chicken :)

As far as the death penalty thing, if they find one little thing that EB lied about, I think it would make the contract null.


I have a daughter with tattoos...her choice, some I think are ok, some, hmm...her choice. I personally decided I didn't want to start with a rosebud and as time and gravity took place end up with the whole blooming rose!     ::MonkeyDevil::
As far as AY/Zahra tat? I have a hard time with his motives behind it...don't think they were all innocent.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Nana ... you are a hoot!

Good Night All

Janet
9:00 PM PT



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Nana29 on December 04, 2010, 11:58:54 PM
My daughters tattoos are beautiful. She never wears shorts when she goes anywhere, always blue jeans or khakis, so you can't see it. She also has several on her back. A huge cross, praying hands with the name Billy (my deceased mother ) under them, and another closer to the bottom that is huge in my opinion.  I don't judge people by the body art either.  They make the choices and have to live with those choices. I believe you can portray yourself differently and have the same tattoos as others and be looked at differently. (if that makes any sense.) The only reason I don't have one is because I am a chicken :)

As far as the death penalty thing, if they find one little thing that EB lied about, I think it would make the contract null.


I have a daughter with tattoos...her choice, some I think are ok, some, hmm...her choice. I personally decided I didn't want to start with a rosebud and as time and gravity took place end up with the whole blooming rose!     ::MonkeyDevil::
As far as AY/Zahra tat? I have a hard time with his motives behind it...don't think they were all innocent.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Nana ... you are a hoot!

Good Night All

Janet
9:00 PM PT




Nite Janet. God Bless    ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 05, 2010, 12:22:56 AM
Hi everyone this is my first post here but I have followed Zahras case from the begining.
I saw on AYs FB page before it was closed that he his wife and one other didnt say who were all getting Zahra tats. Id say hes had it approximatley 2 weeks.

Welcome bdfmom!  Thanks for the info!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: pfaubush on December 05, 2010, 02:40:34 AM
Welcome bdfmom!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Monkey King on December 05, 2010, 03:58:16 AM
Welcome to the cage, bdfmom!!

Wasn't it determined that AY lived across the street from the Bakers?

AY was portrayed as EB's brother. What we've been led to understand AY was married to EB for 10 years. AY was apparently there for EB's daughters when they were growing up- I'd assume more of a parent than EB.
AY may have had the same parent/daughter relationship with Zahra before the Bakers moved from that location. I'd like to think Zahra had a relationship with an adult who actually cared. Sure, AY comes off a little odd to some, but if the man continues to maintain relationships with EB's daughters and complained to DSS on Zahra's care, then I'm thinking he was sincere and he really does like and enjoy children. Not everyone who enjoys children has to be a pedophile. Zahra touched many people and was loved. Too bad her idiot father and stepmother were so self absorbedm

I'm sure AY has a. Of info on EB that AB would find interesting. AY may turn out to be an important witness.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Monkey King on December 05, 2010, 04:00:32 AM
Typo *a lot of info on EB.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Monkey King on December 05, 2010, 06:36:21 AM
EB told AB that AY was her brother. By doing this she was able to "hide" her previous marriages and justify why her kids maintained their continued relationships with her daughters. EB was the liar, I just think AY was emotionally attatched to EB's children and he may have been close with Zahra when they were neighbors. I haven't read any of AY's recent posts, but from what I have read he seems to have taken Zahra's death harder than her father and stepmother. I maybe wrong, but I guess we'll see.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Lenie on December 05, 2010, 09:29:31 AM
My daughters tattoos are beautiful. She never wears shorts when she goes anywhere, always blue jeans or khakis, so you can't see it. She also has several on her back. A huge cross, praying hands with the name Billy (my deceased mother ) under them, and another closer to the bottom that is huge in my opinion.  I don't judge people by the body art either.  They make the choices and have to live with those choices. I believe you can portray yourself differently and have the same tattoos as others and be looked at differently. (if that makes any sense.) The only reason I don't have one is because I am a chicken :)

As far as the death penalty thing, if they find one little thing that EB lied about, I think it would make the contract null.


I have a daughter with tattoos...her choice, some I think are ok, some, hmm...her choice. I personally decided I didn't want to start with a rosebud and as time and gravity took place end up with the whole blooming rose!     ::MonkeyDevil::
As far as AY/Zahra tat? I have a hard time with his motives behind it...don't think they were all innocent.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Nana ... you are a hoot!

Good Night All

Janet
9:00 PM PT




Or a long stemmed rose  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on December 05, 2010, 10:10:04 AM
I did a read around last nite of various sites and where locals post, there certainly is outrage about this agreement. It all depemds on the wording and what she admitted to. In one of her lettters to the murder memroabilla site, she said that AB beat Zahra.
..
Another tid bit somewhere was that AB, after EB was arrested stayed with the guy with the English accent for a few days. Someone here , a monkey, knew who this guy was, I know he had been interviewed. Our monkey didn't think too much of Mr. english accent person.
..
Over at the hinky meter, I think it is Emily or her sister that stated that Zahra's leg was fitted three years ago in AU. To me, that is child abuse to bring a girl with so many medical needs, including the possibility of a relapse to a place where the parent didn't have insurance for care. As far as we know, even if he had insurance, would he have taken her ?
..
I just think things were closing in on the two of them. If Zahra had been in school, someone would have been looking at her five days a week and asking some of the same questions we ask. 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on December 05, 2010, 01:49:50 PM
I agree with you Kat_Gram. What happened to cause Zahra's death did not happen in a sudden moment of passion. There was a build up of neglect and abuse.

There was time for reconsideration, time to intervene, time to stop it.    ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: BabsKats on December 05, 2010, 02:46:49 PM
I did a read around last nite of various sites and where locals post, there certainly is outrage about this agreement. It all depemds on the wording and what she admitted to. In one of her lettters to the murder memroabilla site, she said that AB beat Zahra.
..
Another tid bit somewhere was that AB, after EB was arrested stayed with the guy with the English accent for a few days. Someone here , a monkey, knew who this guy was, I know he had been interviewed. Our monkey didn't think too much of Mr. english accent person.
..
Over at the hinky meter, I think it is Emily or her sister that stated that Zahra's leg was fitted three years ago in AU. To me, that is child abuse to bring a girl with so many medical needs, including the possibility of a relapse to a place where the parent didn't have insurance for care. As far as we know, even if he had insurance, would he have taken her ?
..
I just think things were closing in on the two of them. If Zahra had been in school, someone would have been looking at her five days a week and asking some of the same questions we ask. 
The only "English" speaking man that I recall being interviewed was the neighbor next door to them, he was in several interviews.  Including one about him talking to Emily when she was at the Memorial tree.  Didn't he also state that he once owned that property?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on December 05, 2010, 05:49:21 PM
I agree with you Kat_Gram. What happened to cause Zahra's death did not happen in a sudden moment of passion. There was a build up of neglect and abuse.

There was time for reconsideration, time to intervene, time to stop it.    ::MonkeyNoNo::

 :smt045 ::MonkeyTears::



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: starwynn on December 05, 2010, 06:03:55 PM
Welcome to the cage, bdfmom!!

Wasn't it determined that AY lived across the street from the Bakers?

AY was portrayed as EB's brother. What we've been led to understand AY was married to EB for 10 years. AY was apparently there for EB's daughters when they were growing up- I'd assume more of a parent than EB.
AY may have had the same parent/daughter relationship with Zahra before the Bakers moved from that location. I'd like to think Zahra had a relationship with an adult who actually cared. Sure, AY comes off a little odd to some, but if the man continues to maintain relationships with EB's daughters and complained to DSS on Zahra's care, then I'm thinking he was sincere and he really does like and enjoy children. Not everyone who enjoys children has to be a pedophile. Zahra touched many people and was loved. Too bad her idiot father and stepmother were so self absorbedm

I'm sure AY has a. Of info on EB that AB would find interesting. AY may turn out to be an important witness.

To be honest, I went again and had a good long look at the picture of Aaron and Zahra.  Although things could have changed (and I pray to God they didn't), the hug that she's giving him doesn't appear to be the type of hug one would give an adult that abused you.  She seems to genuinely love him.  I am hoping that he was just a dumb guy with a big mouth who really HASN'T had anything to do with Elisa since February as he claims.  I don't think he's as innocent as he claims; I think since he lived in the house with EB was turned in to DSS for her own children, and lived in the trailer park with the whole Run-Zahra-Run torture was taking place (which infuriates me to no end), I think he was yet another one of the people who seriously let her down.  I think it might even be a BIGGER sin on his part than most because of how she seemed to care for him.

As for the tattoo thing, I think that's sort of a thing that some types of people down here in the South do to memorialize their dead.  Here in Texas, people put big things on the back windows or tailgates of their trucks, get big tattoos, etc.   I still feel it isn't appropriate given his relationship with her was not of a parent, and considering that he lied to her that he was an uncle when he wasn't.  But meh.  In the end, we'll see just how much involvment he had, and what he knew about before her death, her actual death, and after; I definitely don't intend to stand up for him here.  I'm just trying to keep things in perspective.  He's an easy target because, frankly, he's goofy, deceptive, and trying to hard to prove something.  So it's tempting to really jump his ship.  But we really don't have enough evidence of true harm, just a lot of history of really stupid crap - and incidentally I don't believe him for a second that he isn't into some sort of drug thing, even if just "legal" prescription addiction.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: cw618 on December 05, 2010, 06:20:16 PM
ive not completly caught up yet, but that TAT, and verse on AY,arm  is i belive from the book of EZEKIEL

here is a pic
http://www.redicecreations.com/ul_img/5246ezekiel.jpg

more info
The Truth About Enki
http://tinyurl.com/2da2yov
http://www.kjvbible.org/kjvbible/B26C001.htm
http://www.angelfire.com/nt/theology/Proph08.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: starwynn on December 05, 2010, 10:45:10 PM
I'm not sure whether or not this information is posted, and maybe I missed them in all of the paperwork, but this is the first time that I really recall seeing the words "Elisa Baker is a suspect in the murder of Zahra Baker" in such concise language!

Excerpt follows - source link at the bottom of the page.

Did I just miss this?  Document is dated Nov. 18, 2010.

...

"The blood collected from the vehicle (sidebar: this is referencing Adam's work vehicle) has been sent off to the State Bureau of Investigations for analysis.  The collection of Elisa Baker's blood is pertinent to this case and to the North" (see next page)

"Carolina State Bureau of Investigations to have all possible persons involved in this case and those who live at the residence blood samples for comparison to the blood that was located on the Chevrolet Tahoe.

"The affiant believes that the following facts provide probably cause to believe that Elisa Baker is a suspect in the murder of Zahra Baker that occurred prior to October 9th, 2010, and that the item listed to be seized is relevant to the prosecution of this crime.

"A reasonable amount of force by law enforcement personnel may be used to obtain this sample.  In the case that elisa Annetta Baker is not willing to have a saliva sample collected, then qualified medical personnel must assist in the collection of a blood sample from Elisa Annetta Baker."

Source: http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-national/zahra-baker-case-warrants-probable-cause-documents-motions-group-4-video
...


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: starwynn on December 05, 2010, 10:46:51 PM
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that I went off into a sweet little sort of daydream at the sentence "A reasonable amount of force...may be used to obtain this sample..."  Oh yes, by all means - but can we please remove the "reasonable" clause?  Pretty please?   ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 05, 2010, 11:06:11 PM
http://www.wcnc.com/news/NC-woman-fights-child-abuse-in-Zahra-Bakers-name-111350834.html

NC woman fights child abuse in Zahra Baker's name

by NewsChannel 36 Staff

WCNC.com

Posted on December 5, 2010 at 3:03 PM

HICKORY, N.C.-- A woman from the Greensboro area has started an oranization to to help fight child abuse after hearing about the case of Zahra Baker.

Kristie Pope has started The Zahra Project.

According to The Zahra Project's website, the organization was formed "to demand reform of the DSS and make the world a safe place for children."

Pope is also pushing for legislation that would toughen the penalties for those convicted of Child absue.

Pope started The Zahra Project back in October through Facebook.

The 40-year-old Pope says 6,000 people are following The Zahra Project Facebook page at this point.

Zahra Baker's stepmother, Elisa Baker, has been charged with obstruction, accused of faking a ransom note to mislead investigators.

Elisa Baker also told authorities that Zahra's body was dismembered after she died.

So far no one has been charged in Zahra Baker's death.

If you would like to learn more about The Zahra Project, click here.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: statru on December 06, 2010, 12:12:26 AM
http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Zahra-Bakers-real-mother-details-trip-to-Hickory-111362724.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: bdfmom on December 06, 2010, 12:17:48 AM
I could be wrong been known to happen before, I believe the english speaking person is EBs BFF and is a woman. She is a friend to all of the pertinate people in the case as close as I can tell from FB. Try the innitials MH.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Brandi on December 06, 2010, 12:28:48 AM
http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Zahra-Bakers-real-mother-details-trip-to-Hickory-111362724.html

Emily Dietrich's full journal:
http://au.news.yahoo.com/opinion/post/-/blog/robertovadia/post/136/comment/1/


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: NCMike on December 06, 2010, 08:38:05 AM
I did a read around last nite of various sites and where locals post, there certainly is outrage about this agreement. It all depemds on the wording and what she admitted to. In one of her lettters to the murder memroabilla site, she said that AB beat Zahra.
..
Another tid bit somewhere was that AB, after EB was arrested stayed with the guy with the English accent for a few days. Someone here , a monkey, knew who this guy was, I know he had been interviewed. Our monkey didn't think too much of Mr. english accent person.
..
Over at the hinky meter, I think it is Emily or her sister that stated that Zahra's leg was fitted three years ago in AU. To me, that is child abuse to bring a girl with so many medical needs, including the possibility of a relapse to a place where the parent didn't have insurance for care. As far as we know, even if he had insurance, would he have taken her ?
..
I just think things were closing in on the two of them. If Zahra had been in school, someone would have been looking at her five days a week and asking some of the same questions we ask. 

BBM

HI KG, that was me.  This guy is complete scum, a scam artist, grifter, POS!  It may be wishful thinking on my part but I keep checking in everyday to see if this trash has also been arrested.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: NCMike on December 06, 2010, 08:40:05 AM
I could be wrong been known to happen before, I believe the english speaking person is EBs BFF and is a woman. She is a friend to all of the pertinate people in the case as close as I can tell from FB. Try the innitials MH.
The person with the english accent was said to live across the street from the Bakers as this whole story unfolded.  He was interviewed on the Charlotte stations several times.  His name is Eddie Mitchell!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: sassifrass on December 06, 2010, 11:17:12 AM
I did a read around last nite of various sites and where locals post, there certainly is outrage about this agreement. It all depemds on the wording and what she admitted to. In one of her lettters to the murder memroabilla site, she said that AB beat Zahra.
..
Another tid bit somewhere was that AB, after EB was arrested stayed with the guy with the English accent for a few days. Someone here , a monkey, knew who this guy was, I know he had been interviewed. Our monkey didn't think too much of Mr. english accent person.
..
Over at the hinky meter, I think it is Emily or her sister that stated that Zahra's leg was fitted three years ago in AU. To me, that is child abuse to bring a girl with so many medical needs, including the possibility of a relapse to a place where the parent didn't have insurance for care. As far as we know, even if he had insurance, would he have taken her ?
..
I just think things were closing in on the two of them. If Zahra had been in school, someone would have been looking at her five days a week and asking some of the same questions we ask. 

BBM

HI KG, that was me.  This guy is complete scum, a scam artist, grifter, POS!  It may be wishful thinking on my part but I keep checking in everyday to see if this trash has also been arrested.

BBM

Hi NCMike. Respectfully, I'm curious about your accusations about this person. Do you know this person personally, is it rumor and speculation in your area, or do you have a link that will back this up? Why would you think that he would be a part of Zahra's death and/or dismemberment, or in the neglect of Zahra?

It's one thing to have an opinion of someone, but it's another thing to make a, IMO, strong accusation of a persons character and relate it to a potential crime against Zahra.

Just curious...


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Nana29 on December 06, 2010, 11:50:51 AM
I did a read around last nite of various sites and where locals post, there certainly is outrage about this agreement. It all depemds on the wording and what she admitted to. In one of her lettters to the murder memroabilla site, she said that AB beat Zahra.
..
Another tid bit somewhere was that AB, after EB was arrested stayed with the guy with the English accent for a few days. Someone here , a monkey, knew who this guy was, I know he had been interviewed. Our monkey didn't think too much of Mr. english accent person.
..
Over at the hinky meter, I think it is Emily or her sister that stated that Zahra's leg was fitted three years ago in AU. To me, that is child abuse to bring a girl with so many medical needs, including the possibility of a relapse to a place where the parent didn't have insurance for care. As far as we know, even if he had insurance, would he have taken her ?
..
I just think things were closing in on the two of them. If Zahra had been in school, someone would have been looking at her five days a week and asking some of the same questions we ask. 

BBM

HI KG, that was me.  This guy is complete scum, a scam artist, grifter, POS!  It may be wishful thinking on my part but I keep checking in everyday to see if this trash has also been arrested.

BBM

Hi NCMike. Respectfully, I'm curious about your accusations about this person. Do you know this person personally, is it rumor and speculation in your area, or do you have a link that will back this up? Why would you think that he would be a part of Zahra's death and/or dismemberment, or in the neglect of Zahra?

It's one thing to have an opinion of someone, but it's another thing to make a, IMO, strong accusation of a persons character and relate it to a potential crime against Zahra.

Just curious...


Sassi, my take is that NCMike wants this person arrested for anything, not necessarily connected to Zahra...I could be wrong, but I don't think he meant in connection with her.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Brandi on December 06, 2010, 12:46:09 PM
I could be wrong been known to happen before, I believe the english speaking person is EBs BFF and is a woman. She is a friend to all of the pertinate people in the case as close as I can tell from FB. Try the innitials MH.
The person with the english accent was said to live across the street from the Bakers as this whole story unfolded.  He was interviewed on the Charlotte stations several times.  His name is Eddie Mitchell!

This is from "Emily's Pilgrimage," her story about her trip to Hickory:

This is when I met Eddie, and what a beautiful man he is. Eddie is the neighbour across the street, he had come out to get his morning paper, before his morning walk, when he noticed Rob and Paul at the tree, and then noticed me (and might I add, by this time I had been in all sorts of states, crying so hard I couldn’t catch my breath, angry at the house and what may have happened in it, and bent over in the gutter trying not to be sick). When I glanced up as I got to my feet, I could see tears in his eyes, and this look of sincere sorrow.

This stranger was hurting deep into his heart. I got to my feet and as I went to shake his hand he took my hand between both his, and as a tear rolled down his face he said “I’m so sorry, I didn’t even know a little girl lived there…”. (I don’t know what broke my heart more, seeing a grown man, and stranger, in so much pain, or the fact none of the neighbours even knew Zahra was in that house). After a short chat with him, he left me with a hug which felt as if it gave both he, and I, comfort. That was to be the first of many hugs from the beautiful people of Hickory.


http://au.news.yahoo.com/opinion/post/-/blog/robertovadia/post/136/comment/1/


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: sassifrass on December 06, 2010, 12:52:08 PM
I did a read around last nite of various sites and where locals post, there certainly is outrage about this agreement. It all depemds on the wording and what she admitted to. In one of her lettters to the murder memroabilla site, she said that AB beat Zahra.
..
Another tid bit somewhere was that AB, after EB was arrested stayed with the guy with the English accent for a few days. Someone here , a monkey, knew who this guy was, I know he had been interviewed. Our monkey didn't think too much of Mr. english accent person.
..
Over at the hinky meter, I think it is Emily or her sister that stated that Zahra's leg was fitted three years ago in AU. To me, that is child abuse to bring a girl with so many medical needs, including the possibility of a relapse to a place where the parent didn't have insurance for care. As far as we know, even if he had insurance, would he have taken her ?
..
I just think things were closing in on the two of them. If Zahra had been in school, someone would have been looking at her five days a week and asking some of the same questions we ask. 

BBM

HI KG, that was me.  This guy is complete scum, a scam artist, grifter, POS!  It may be wishful thinking on my part but I keep checking in everyday to see if this trash has also been arrested.

BBM

Hi NCMike. Respectfully, I'm curious about your accusations about this person. Do you know this person personally, is it rumor and speculation in your area, or do you have a link that will back this up? Why would you think that he would be a part of Zahra's death and/or dismemberment, or in the neglect of Zahra?

It's one thing to have an opinion of someone, but it's another thing to make a, IMO, strong accusation of a persons character and relate it to a potential crime against Zahra.

Just curious...


Sassi, my take is that NCMike wants this person arrested for anything, not necessarily connected to Zahra...I could be wrong, but I don't think he meant in connection with her.

That could be Nana. I guess I didn't have enough coffee when I read it. But on the other side, why so much public anger towards this man? And why in the Zahra thread?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: sassifrass on December 06, 2010, 12:54:39 PM
I could be wrong been known to happen before, I believe the english speaking person is EBs BFF and is a woman. She is a friend to all of the pertinate people in the case as close as I can tell from FB. Try the innitials MH.
The person with the english accent was said to live across the street from the Bakers as this whole story unfolded.  He was interviewed on the Charlotte stations several times.  His name is Eddie Mitchell!

This is from "Emily's Pilgrimage," her story about her trip to Hickory:

This is when I met Eddie, and what a beautiful man he is. Eddie is the neighbour across the street, he had come out to get his morning paper, before his morning walk, when he noticed Rob and Paul at the tree, and then noticed me (and might I add, by this time I had been in all sorts of states, crying so hard I couldn’t catch my breath, angry at the house and what may have happened in it, and bent over in the gutter trying not to be sick). When I glanced up as I got to my feet, I could see tears in his eyes, and this look of sincere sorrow.

This stranger was hurting deep into his heart. I got to my feet and as I went to shake his hand he took my hand between both his, and as a tear rolled down his face he said “I’m so sorry, I didn’t even know a little girl lived there…”. (I don’t know what broke my heart more, seeing a grown man, and stranger, in so much pain, or the fact none of the neighbours even knew Zahra was in that house). After a short chat with him, he left me with a hug which felt as if it gave both he, and I, comfort. That was to be the first of many hugs from the beautiful people of Hickory.


http://au.news.yahoo.com/opinion/post/-/blog/robertovadia/post/136/comment/1/

Thank you for that Brandi! He doesn't come off as a POS to me. Just saying...


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: bananas on December 06, 2010, 01:57:24 PM
I could be wrong been known to happen before, I believe the english speaking person is EBs BFF and is a woman. She is a friend to all of the pertinate people in the case as close as I can tell from FB. Try the innitials MH.
The person with the english accent was said to live across the street from the Bakers as this whole story unfolded.  He was interviewed on the Charlotte stations several times.  His name is Eddie Mitchell!

NCMike you are right!  I was trying to recall exactly but you hit it on the head!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: bananas on December 06, 2010, 02:01:16 PM
I could be wrong been known to happen before, I believe the english speaking person is EBs BFF and is a woman. She is a friend to all of the pertinate people in the case as close as I can tell from FB. Try the innitials MH.
The person with the english accent was said to live across the street from the Bakers as this whole story unfolded.  He was interviewed on the Charlotte stations several times.  His name is Eddie Mitchell!

I only meant who the English accented person was... not that they should be arrested or guilty of anything.  I really don't know about that.  Emily seems to have been comforted by him.  Poor Emily... she is the one suffering right now.  Zahra is at peace.

NCMike you are right!  I was trying to recall exactly but you hit it on the head!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on December 06, 2010, 09:54:39 PM
I am sorry if I stirred the post with my post about english speaking guy.
It sounds as if he hardly knew the Bakers, so it could be her bff. I don't know who that is.
..
I keep checking in here to see if there has been more charges / arrests, even tho I did read that not til January.
.. I did my read around as I suspect most of you guys do also, nada new. Anywhere.
Outrage, wondering, praying, cursing. Everywhere. 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: statru on December 06, 2010, 10:04:10 PM
Huge outrage... I have heard talk of people going to protest Gaither's swearing in. I wont be, for one I live in Alexander Co, not Catawba, so I didnt vote for him, for another I dont get into that whole 'mob mentality'  But it should be interesting to what might happen.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: cecilita on December 07, 2010, 12:15:35 AM
Hello Monkeys,
I have a question regarding AB boss. Did he press charges of a possible kidnapping of his daughter by EB? It seems weird that he was  at AB's house at the moment that AB made the 911 call. May he be involved in Zahra disappearance? (maybe EB and the boss had some kind of relationship?  ::MonkeyTongue:: )


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: bananas on December 07, 2010, 12:15:37 AM
Huge outrage... I have heard talk of people going to protest Gaither's swearing in. I wont be, for one I live in Alexander Co, not Catawba, so I didnt vote for him, for another I dont get into that whole 'mob mentality'  But it should be interesting to what might happen.

Who is Gaither and what has it to do with Zahra's case? 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: starwynn on December 07, 2010, 12:18:58 AM
Hello Monkeys,
I have a question regarding AB boss. Did he press charges of a possible kidnapping of his daughter by EB? It seems weird that he was  at AB's house at the moment that AB made the 911 call. May he be involved in Zahra disappearance? (maybe EB and the boss had some kind of relationship?  ::MonkeyTongue:: )

There was something going on between EB and the boss, though I don't mean romantic, but there was some admittance somewhere that she was "mad at" the boss and that's why they chose him and the ransom note.  I cannot for the life of me remember where I read that, but it seemed to me it was a bit more accountable a source than hearsay... maybe one of the zillion documents just released?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: starwynn on December 07, 2010, 12:20:23 AM
Hit enter before I forgot to say something.   ::piggy::

I remember the first time I read the contents of the ransom note.  I remember having a red flag pop at the wording referencing being in control.  I thought "wow, that sounds like a woman talking to someone with whom she is angry... not a ransom note."


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: pfaubush on December 07, 2010, 12:26:43 AM
Hello Monkeys,
I have a question regarding AB boss. Did he press charges of a possible kidnapping of his daughter by EB? It seems weird that he was  at AB's house at the moment that AB made the 911 call. May he be involved in Zahra disappearance? (maybe EB and the boss had some kind of relationship?  ::MonkeyTongue:: )

There was something going on between EB and the boss, though I don't mean romantic, but there was some admittance somewhere that she was "mad at" the boss and that's why they chose him and the ransom note.  I cannot for the life of me remember where I read that, but it seemed to me it was a bit more accountable a source than hearsay... maybe one of the zillion documents just released?

Other information learned from the search warrants:
-Elisa Baker said she, Adam and Zahra went to Oktoberfest on Friday, Oct. 8, from 7 to 9 p.m. and then went home and Zahra went to bed.

-When Adam Baker was interviewed by investigators on Saturday, Oct. 9, the day Zahra was first reported missing, Adam said he had not seen Zahra since Wednesday, Oct. 6. Elisa had reported to police that she checked on Zahra at 2:30 a.m. Saturday and she was fine. Adam also stated to police earlier in the day on Oct. 9 that he thought the kidnappers who left the note on the Chevy Tahoe took his daughter.

-Elisa Baker admitted to investigators on Oct. 11 to writing and fabricating the ransom note on the Chevy Tahoe because she was angry at Mark Coffey, Adam Baker’s boss and their landlord.

http://www2.wspa.com/news/2010/dec/01/3/warrants-elisa-baker-gave-details-zahras-dismember-ar-1155785/ (http://www2.wspa.com/news/2010/dec/01/3/warrants-elisa-baker-gave-details-zahras-dismember-ar-1155785/)


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: SuzieQ on December 07, 2010, 12:43:55 AM
Huge outrage... I have heard talk of people going to protest Gaither's swearing in. I wont be, for one I live in Alexander Co, not Catawba, so I didnt vote for him, for another I dont get into that whole 'mob mentality'  But it should be interesting to what might happen.

Who is Gaither and what has it to do with Zahra's case? 


Gaither is the DA of Catawba Co. Apparently he was elected. Where I live they are appointed and are called Commenwealth Attorneys.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: SuzieQ on December 07, 2010, 12:46:28 AM
Huge outrage... I have heard talk of people going to protest Gaither's swearing in. I wont be, for one I live in Alexander Co, not Catawba, so I didnt vote for him, for another I dont get into that whole 'mob mentality'  But it should be interesting to what might happen.

Who is Gaither and what has it to do with Zahra's case? 


Gaither is the DA of Catawba Co. Apparently he was elected. Where I live they are appointed and are called Commonwealth Attorneys.

changed the spelling of commonwealth


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on December 07, 2010, 02:04:11 AM
I surfed the web most of the evening and found nothing new about Z. Sad, so very sad.
I had thought by now that Adam or whoever would be arrested for Z's murder.

I pray in earnest that this case will not go to the wayside like Halegh's did. I would be crazy by now if I did not step forward and confess !

I chatted with Levi on FB 2 nite. Nice conversation we had. Nothing new on his end either. He does NOT know who Aaron Young is. I was shocked ! My gut still tells me that Aaron has some part in this fiasco with Z.

Ohio where I am was dumped with snow last nite and today. Geez......and I fear gong out. I got a new knee in Aug. It would be a nightmare if I slipped and broke a hip.I think I would hang myself ! LOL ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: bananas on December 07, 2010, 02:09:11 AM
I surfed the web most of the evening and found nothing new about Z. Sad, so very sad.
I had thought by now that Adam or whoever would be arrested for Z's murder.

I pray in earnest that this case will not go to the wayside like Halegh's did. I would be crazy by now if I did not step forward and confess !

I chatted with Levi on FB 2 nite. Nice conversation we had. Nothing new on his end either. He does NOT know who Aaron Young is. I was shocked ! My gut still tells me that Aaron has some part in this fiasco with Z.

Ohio where I am was dumped with snow last nite and today. Geez......and I fear gong out. I got a new knee in Aug. It would be a nightmare if I slipped and broke a hip.I think I would hang myself ! LOL ::MonkeyMad::

brrrrrr.... the only time I ever drove through Ohio, there was a blizzard going on and had to stop because the snow was coming hard we were blinded! 

I am so afraid that nothing is happening with this case.  Surely, when you have someone who knows so much they are able to show you where the body is located, there have to charges coming..... I am praying.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: akmom on December 07, 2010, 02:28:11 PM
Hello Monkeys,
I have a question regarding AB boss. Did he press charges of a possible kidnapping of his daughter by EB? It seems weird that he was  at AB's house at the moment that AB made the 911 call. May he be involved in Zahra disappearance? (maybe EB and the boss had some kind of relationship?  ::MonkeyTongue:: )

IIRC, the boss also brought the daughter in question with him.  Why in the world would you do that if there was a crazy ransom note mentioning your daughter on the premises??  Obviously you know she has not been abducted because you know she is with you, but why would you take her with you to the scene?  I thought that was very odd indeed.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: starwynn on December 07, 2010, 03:01:15 PM
Hello Monkeys,
I have a question regarding AB boss. Did he press charges of a possible kidnapping of his daughter by EB? It seems weird that he was  at AB's house at the moment that AB made the 911 call. May he be involved in Zahra disappearance? (maybe EB and the boss had some kind of relationship?  ::MonkeyTongue:: )

There was something going on between EB and the boss, though I don't mean romantic, but there was some admittance somewhere that she was "mad at" the boss and that's why they chose him and the ransom note.  I cannot for the life of me remember where I read that, but it seemed to me it was a bit more accountable a source than hearsay... maybe one of the zillion documents just released?

Other information learned from the search warrants:
-Elisa Baker said she, Adam and Zahra went to Oktoberfest on Friday, Oct. 8, from 7 to 9 p.m. and then went home and Zahra went to bed.

-When Adam Baker was interviewed by investigators on Saturday, Oct. 9, the day Zahra was first reported missing, Adam said he had not seen Zahra since Wednesday, Oct. 6. Elisa had reported to police that she checked on Zahra at 2:30 a.m. Saturday and she was fine. Adam also stated to police earlier in the day on Oct. 9 that he thought the kidnappers who left the note on the Chevy Tahoe took his daughter.

-Elisa Baker admitted to investigators on Oct. 11 to writing and fabricating the ransom note on the Chevy Tahoe because she was angry at Mark Coffey, Adam Baker’s boss and their landlord.

http://www2.wspa.com/news/2010/dec/01/3/warrants-elisa-baker-gave-details-zahras-dismember-ar-1155785/ (http://www2.wspa.com/news/2010/dec/01/3/warrants-elisa-baker-gave-details-zahras-dismember-ar-1155785/)

Whyyyy thank you  :D  That's the exact article.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: sassifrass on December 07, 2010, 07:50:58 PM
I guess there is no new news on any arrests. When is Zahra going to get justice?  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on December 07, 2010, 07:58:59 PM
There will be charges. How could there not be ? If she gave them false info and doesn"t cooperate fully, that's a deal breaker.
There are probably several child abuse, neglet, felony child abuse that could be added to the list. Also, there is no way that Adam Baker is not involved. When Eliza would wail on Zahre, he just let it go on. It takes a while for the evidence to be processed, and they have bag fulls to be processed.
She did say that he beat Zahra that day / evening she died or shortly before, I don't know if that is true, but they could sure charge them both and let them turn on each other.  Neither one of them is going to strike a sympathetic chord with a jury.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on December 07, 2010, 08:04:30 PM
Would someone mind answering a quick question? Did Zahra attend school and then she was moved but was never signed up for that new school?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 07, 2010, 08:09:31 PM
Would someone mind answering a quick question? Did Zahra attend school and then she was moved but was never signed up for that new school?

Correct.  She actually attended school in Granite Falls and I believe another school but only for a short while.  They kept moving around and also I believe they claimed she was being home schooled. 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on December 07, 2010, 08:13:11 PM
Would someone mind answering a quick question? Did Zahra attend school and then she was moved but was never signed up for that new school?

Tracy, it's my understanding that Zahra was never enrolled for the current school year anywhere. She had previously been in school (prior school year) and there was at least one teacher concerned enough about her to give her her home phone number.

I suspect the reason she was not enrolled is to hide physical signs of abuse or to keep Zahra from telling anyone something that might bring child services to her rescue.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on December 07, 2010, 08:15:43 PM
Thanks, Klaas! I'm sure you are correct about school! I was just going to find an article to check the facts. You're better than an encyclopedia! I don't know how you do it!!   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on December 07, 2010, 08:23:22 PM
Article dated: October 14

WSOCTV.com
Should Schools Have Raised Red Flag In Zahra Baker Case

CALDWELL COUNTY., N.C. -- On Thursday, Channel 9 investigated why someone hadn’t notice Zahra Baker was missing sooner.

A lot of times, the schools are the first ones to pick up on these things, but in this case no education officials at any level, in any county, knew where Baker was.

Channel 9 learned that Baker finished last school year in Caldwell County, but then she didn't show up for the first few days of school this year.

Channel 9 spoke with a school spokesperson, Libby Brown, on Thursday. She said a school counselor called Baker's parents and that Baker's parents said they moved to Hickory and were probably going to home-school Baker.

Brown said, "There was no more contact with the family. They refused to speak to the school."

If the Bakers were home-schooling, they would have had to file papers with the state. Channel 9 talked to a state school official, Jill Lucas, Thursday. She handles home-schooling and private schools. She said the state doesn't have any records of either parent setting up a home school or any home school at Baker's address.

Someone else could have been teaching Baker, but the state couldn't say for sure because the state doesn't track the students.

North Carolina has a law requiring school attendance, so Channel investigated who enforces that, who was making sure Baker was attending some school. Perhaps that person would have seen a change.

It sounds like, in a case like Baker's, no one knew to check.

Copyright 2010 by WSOCTV.com. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/25394665/detail.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: sassifrass on December 07, 2010, 08:33:08 PM
Would someone mind answering a quick question? Did Zahra attend school and then she was moved but was never signed up for that new school?

That is correct. Elisa said she was going to be home schooled. It's all BS.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: sassifrass on December 07, 2010, 08:34:16 PM
Boy, I was late on that one.  ::MonkeyTongue:: Back to lurking.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: SuzieQ on December 07, 2010, 10:03:04 PM
Some facts on DSS

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/dec/04/what-you-need-know-about-dss-ar-589469/

What you need to know about DSS
 
» Link: N.C. Division of Social Services
» Link: Catawba County Department of Social Services

The mission of Department of Social Services and Child Protective Services is designed to protect children from harm and to support and improve parents’ and caregivers’ skills to ensure every child has a safe home.

Reporting abuse/neglect/dependency

According to N.C. General Statute 7B-301, any person who has cause to believe a child is being abused or neglected is required to report it. They can report it either orally, by telephone or in writing. When a person makes a report, some of what they’ll need to report if they know it includes:

Who provides the care for the child;

The child’s name and where they go to school;

The parents’ or caregivers’ names and where they work;

Address and phone numbers;

Others who may know about the situation;

If the family has been involved with DSS before;

Any evidence of domestic violence, drugs or alcohol;

If there are weapons in the home;

When the incident occurred, how you know;

If there are any strengths in the family;

How the family usually resolves problems; and

Anything important to the family’s culture.

According to HB207, passed in 2005, anyone who makes a report and cooperates with DSS, and “testifies in any judicial proceeding resulting from a protective services report or assessment…is immune from any civil or criminal liability that might otherwise be incurred or imposed for that action provided that the person was acting in good faith. In any proceeding involving liability, good faith is presumed.”

When a report is made, it is investigated. According to HB207, if the director finds that a juvenile may have been abused, they must make an immediate oral and written report of the findings to the district attorney or their designee and the local law enforcement agency within 48 hours after receiving the report.

No later than 48 hours after getting the information, law enforcement must initiate and coordinate a criminal investigation with the protective services assessment being conducted by the county DSS. After the investigation is completed, the district attorney must decide whether criminal prosecution is appropriate.

  ::monkeyscissors::



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: espresso lover on December 07, 2010, 11:56:25 PM
http://www.foxcharlotte.com/news/nc-news/District-Attorney-Says-No-Deal-With-Zahra-Bakers-Stepmom-111493709.html


WCCB Newsdesk

Story Created: Dec 7, 2010 at 7:52 PM EST

Story Updated: Dec 7, 2010 at 7:52 PM EST

HICKORY, N.C.--New developments in the Zahra Baker case.  The Caldwell County District Attorney says reports of a deal with her stepmom are not true.  Elisa Baker is a suspect in the 10-year-old's death.

District Attorney James Gaither says reports of a deal that would spare Baker from the death penalty or a life sentence are not true.  He says if charges are filed, "The state is under no obligation to limit those charges." 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: pfaubush on December 08, 2010, 12:07:31 AM
http://www.foxcharlotte.com/news/nc-news/District-Attorney-Says-No-Deal-With-Zahra-Bakers-Stepmom-111493709.html


WCCB Newsdesk

Story Created: Dec 7, 2010 at 7:52 PM EST

Story Updated: Dec 7, 2010 at 7:52 PM EST

HICKORY, N.C.--New developments in the Zahra Baker case.  The Caldwell County District Attorney says reports of a deal with her stepmom are not true.  Elisa Baker is a suspect in the 10-year-old's death.

District Attorney James Gaither says reports of a deal that would spare Baker from the death penalty or a life sentence are not true.  He says if charges are filed, "The state is under no obligation to limit those charges." 

I'm getting whiplash from all the back and forth information!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: statru on December 08, 2010, 12:08:34 AM

He's back peddling now...

Anyway, it all hinges on what he can actually PROVE. and who knows if he can prove anything to be able to press charges.

I dont know. I read this morning about a case in Alabama that is similar to this one...makes me beyond sick that these parents dont want their children. I just dont understand people.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 08, 2010, 12:13:21 AM

Would someone mind answering a quick question? Did Zahra attend school and then she was moved but was never signed up for that new school?

1.  THE TRAILER HOME

Punishment was her routine
November 01, 2010 - 8:34 PM


But whenever they started living in the trailer park, Zahra returned to Hudson Elementary School in March 2010 to finish the fourth grade. ....

The Bakers moved from the trailer some time over the summer, and in either late August or early September, moved into a rented home on 21st Avenue, NW, off N.C. 127 in Viewmont.

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/nov/01/9/punishment-was-her-routine-ar-500792/


2.  THE HICKORY HOME

Should Schools Have Raised Red Flag In Zahra Baker Case
Updated: 6:21 pm EDT October 14, 2010


Channel 9 learned that Baker finished last school year in Caldwell County, but then she didn't show up for the first few days of school this year.

Channel 9 spoke with a school spokesperson, Libby Brown, on Thursday. She said a school counselor called Baker's parents and that Baker's parents said they moved to Hickory and were probably going to home-school Baker.

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/25394665/detail.html



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: statru on December 08, 2010, 12:26:26 AM

The school she left, should have contacted the school she was supposed to be going to.
I know the people at the school she was supposed to attend based on where the house is, would have followed up.
My son went to school there, and the principal there would have certainly followed up.
But they always contacted schools when a student left, so the new school would know there was a new student coming.
So Hudson Elem should have called what should have been her new school, so there would be more trying to find out what was going on. They would have also I think had to have provided the school with proof of the homeschooling.

But, as they say hindsight is 20/20 and I am sure there are a lot of people kicking themselves right now for not doing more.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on December 08, 2010, 01:19:06 AM
http://www.foxcharlotte.com/news/nc-news/District-Attorney-Says-No-Deal-With-Zahra-Bakers-Stepmom-111493709.html


WCCB Newsdesk

Story Created: Dec 7, 2010 at 7:52 PM EST

Story Updated: Dec 7, 2010 at 7:52 PM EST

HICKORY, N.C.--New developments in the Zahra Baker case.  The Caldwell County District Attorney says reports of a deal with her stepmom are not true.  Elisa Baker is a suspect in the 10-year-old's death.

District Attorney James Gaither says reports of a deal that would spare Baker from the death penalty or a life sentence are not true.  He says if charges are filed, "The state is under no obligation to limit those charges." 

Yes !! Thnx for posting this. It gives all of us who r following this nightmare, HOPE !

I recommend they fry the Bakers like potato chips, burned ones ! ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: espresso lover on December 08, 2010, 02:19:31 AM
http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/dec/07/gaither-death-penalty-still-option-ar-598655/


Hickory --

District Attorney Jay Gaither’s office Tuesday released a response to the reported agreement that limits the prosecution to charging second-degree murder against Elisa Baker.

According to a news story by WSOC-TV that was reported in Saturday’s Record, a written agreement stipulates that Elisa Baker will not face the death penalty or life in prison if she continues to cooperate with investigators as they seek answers in the death and dismemberment of Baker’s 10-year-old stepdaughter Zahra Baker.

Gaither’s statement says the news reports were wrong and his office is still able to charge Baker with first-degree murder if that charge is legally valid.

“Elisa Baker maintains her innocence in connection with the death of Zahra Baker, and she has cooperated with law enforcement. If the investigation determines that Elisa Baker is not involved in the death of Zahra Baker, she will not be charged,” reads the statement. “If, on the other hand, there is sufficient and credible evidence to prove that Elisa Baker was involved in the death of Zahra Baker, the State is under no obligation to limit charges.”

The statement also explains why Gaither was reluctant to talk to the media about the reported agreement earlier.

“Under Rule 3.6 of the N.C. Bar, a prosecutor must refrain from making pretrial statements that have a substantial likelihood of materially prejudicing an adjudicative proceeding,” reads the statement. “However, when false or misleading statements are made that publicly cause prejudice to the process, the prosecutor has the responsibility of responding publicly to minimize the adverse impact.”

That statement was followed by another from Gaither’s office:  “There will be no further comment from the District Attorney’s office on the Baker case.”

When contacted for a statement, Elisa Baker’s attorney, Lisa Dubs, said, “Mr. Gaither is responding to an issue he has with previous media reports. These are not our issues, and we choose not to comment.”


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: espresso lover on December 08, 2010, 02:20:57 AM
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/12/08/1895088/cousins-say-they-didnt-assault.html

Cousins say they didn't assault Zahra
Both men say they passed polygraph tests when questioned by police. 'Aggravating being accused,' says one.
By Franco Ordoñez
fordonez@charlotteobserver.com
Posted: Wednesday, Dec. 08, 2010

The two men accused of raping Zahra Baker before she died say they didn't assault the 10-year-old Hickory girl, and that they passed a polygraph test when questioned by police.

"I've never done anything inappropriate with Zahra," said James Young, a former in-law of Elisa Baker, Zahra's stepmother. "It's aggravating being accused of something like this."

Young, 37, said police cleared him of any wrongdoing and that he hasn't met with investigators since October.

Young's brother was once married to Elisa Baker. And Young had lived across the street from Elisa, Zahra and her father, Adam Baker, in Caldwell County, before the Bakers moved to Hickory. Young said he often saw the Bakers in the mobile home park, and spent time with them at Christmas and birthday parties.

He described Zahra as an "outstanding, outgoing kid," and has photos of the girl on his refrigerator.

His cousin, Timothy "Sammy" Young, declined to discuss the rape allegation, but said he also passed a polygraph test on the Zahra investigation.

"The allegations that have been said are untrue and that is all I have to say thanks," he said in a text..

The allegation that Zahra was physically assaulted and raped before she died emerged in search warrant documents unsealed last week.

An unnamed source reported to police that the Youngs may have raped and physically assaulted Zahra., the documents said. The source said Zahra, at a time unspecified in the document, had been at a beige block house in Burke County with the two men.

The source - who got his information from talking to someone else - reported that Elisa Baker came to the house and saw Zahra with blood on her lower body, and that the men had raped her, according to the documents.

The source said he asked the person he was talking to if the men at the house had killed Zahra, and he was told "they might have hit her in the head," one document says.

Hickory Police declined to say whether the Youngs are still under investigation.

No one has been charged in connection with Zahra's death. Both Elisa Baker and Adam Baker have denied any wrongdoing.

It's unclear how the girl died, but police have reported that some of her remains were discovered in at least two rural areas five miles apart.

Elisa Baker is in jail after police say she admitted to writing a phony ransom note to thwart their investigation into Zahra's disappearance.

James Young still lives in the small beige block house with his father. On Tuesday, he welcomed an ******* reporter into his kitchen to talk about the investigation. On his refrigerator was a photo of Zahra, smiling and hugging Young. A second photo, created as a memorial after the girl went missing, was titled "Sweet Zahra."

As he fixed a cup of instant coffee in a microwave, Young said police first visited him about a week after Zahra was reported missing on Oct. 9. He said Zahra had never even been to the house, and the last time he saw her was months ago in the spring or summer when they lived in the same mobile home park.

Young said he submitted to a cheek swab so police could get a DNA sample. He said he took a polygraph test. He said he allowed police to search his house. They didn't remove anything, he said. He hasn't heard from them again in more than a month.

Also on Tuesday, District Attorney James Gaither Jr. reiterated what he told the ******* last week, that Elisa Baker could face capital punishment if she's found responsible for the death of her stepdaughter.

Gaither has said TV news reports incorrectly stated that he had removed the death penalty and first-degree murder charges against Elisa Baker if she cooperated in the investigation.

"If the investigation determines that Elisa Baker is not involved in the death of Zahra Baker, she will not be charged," he said in statement Tuesday.

"If, on the other hand, there is sufficient and credible evidence to prove that Elisa Baker was involved in the death of Zahra Baker, the State is under no obligation to limit charges."


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: NCSunny on December 08, 2010, 09:12:44 AM
There will be charges. How could there not be ? If she gave them false info and doesn"t cooperate fully, that's a deal breaker.
There are probably several child abuse, neglet, felony child abuse that could be added to the list. Also, there is no way that Adam Baker is not involved. When Eliza would wail on Zahre, he just let it go on. It takes a while for the evidence to be processed, and they have bag fulls to be processed.
She did say that he beat Zahra that day / evening she died or shortly before, I don't know if that is true, but they could sure charge them both and let them turn on each other.  Neither one of them is going to strike a sympathetic chord with a jury.

I agree KatGram, there will be charges.

I am sorry to be so far behind, but where did you read/see the bolded above? I must have missed it, but sure would like to read that.

TIA


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Babybear on December 08, 2010, 11:14:46 AM
There will be charges. How could there not be ? If she gave them false info and doesn"t cooperate fully, that's a deal breaker.
There are probably several child abuse, neglet, felony child abuse that could be added to the list. Also, there is no way that Adam Baker is not involved. When Eliza would wail on Zahre, he just let it go on. It takes a while for the evidence to be processed, and they have bag fulls to be processed.
She did say that he beat Zahra that day / evening she died or shortly before, I don't know if that is true, but they could sure charge them both and let them turn on each other.  Neither one of them is going to strike a sympathetic chord with a jury.

I agree KatGram, there will be charges.

I am sorry to be so far behind, but where did you read/see the bolded above? I must have missed it, but sure would like to read that.

TIA

I was speaking to a friend last night about her husband's nephew who murdered his grandfather (my friend's father-in-law) and badly injured his grandmother by hitting her with a baseball bat, tying her up, trying to suffocate her and leaving her for dead.  She succeeded in escaping, drove the golf cart to the security gate and got help.  This happened in the Highlands NC area.  This young man, I think he's 22, was being held in jail in Asheville, but was recently transferred to Raleigh for mental evaluation.  My friend said she was told by authorities that NC is lenient on murderers and they are often sentenced to a mental hospital for a couple of years until they are deemed to be no threat, then released. She fears this might happen in his case.  I hope they don't treat the Bakers as mentaly ill.  I don't know anything about NC law, but this is just what I was told.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Babybear on December 08, 2010, 11:16:01 AM
Sorry I didn't tell my monkey friends "Good morning."  I have so much going on in my life right now, it's surprising I can even remember my name.  So, Good Morning, Monkeys.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Monkey King on December 08, 2010, 12:36:32 PM
Good morning, Babybear! I sure hopw things slow down for you. The holidays are upon us and makes us all a little "loopy".


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on December 08, 2010, 12:36:32 PM
http://www.foxcharlotte.com/news/nc-news/District-Attorney-Says-No-Deal-With-Zahra-Bakers-Stepmom-111493709.html


WCCB Newsdesk

Story Created: Dec 7, 2010 at 7:52 PM EST

Story Updated: Dec 7, 2010 at 7:52 PM EST

HICKORY, N.C.--New developments in the Zahra Baker case.  The Caldwell County District Attorney says reports of a deal with her stepmom are not true.  Elisa Baker is a suspect in the 10-year-old's death.

District Attorney James Gaither says reports of a deal that would spare Baker from the death penalty or a life sentence are not true.  He says if charges are filed, "The state is under no obligation to limit those charges." 

That's good news! I hope it's true! I must say, if EB gave up all that information without getting something out of it for herself, then she's really, really stupid as well as really, really evil!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Monkey King on December 08, 2010, 12:40:30 PM
Didn't Dub's claim a deal was made? So, now- if there's any truth to it, isn't the state back pedaling? How would that reflect on future criminals offered a plea deal in the future? Bad situation all the way around.

I really hoped initial reports of a deal were incorrect- and we know about the reported public outrage- and rightly so.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Monkey King on December 08, 2010, 12:46:33 PM
No, under normal conditions the former school shouldn't have had to contact the incoming new school. Most transfers go without any issues as most parents are responsible and want their chilren to have an education.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Monkey King on December 08, 2010, 12:57:42 PM
As far as a mental explanation for EB and AB commiting this crime, I don't think that's the case. They can't pinpoint an exact date of death. The remains may give them an approximation, but not a definete date. They are going to have to prove they were mental at the commision of the crime- not drug or alcohol induced- which is likely. Dysfunctional- yes, mental- no. They knew the difference between right and wrong otherwise they wouldn't have spaced out the remains to 'hide' them, they would have called 911 or made a trip to the ER. Zahra's death- for whatever reason, was covered up.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: ScareyCarrie on December 08, 2010, 01:53:50 PM
Didn't Dub's claim a deal was made? So, now- if there's any truth to it, isn't the state back pedaling? How would that reflect on future criminals offered a plea deal in the future? Bad situation all the way around.

I really hoped initial reports of a deal were incorrect- and we know about the reported public outrage- and rightly so.

from what i understand, the made a deal of sorts that she wouldnt get dp or lwop IF what she is saying is true and she is not lying, and she is saying she is innocent, well if they find out she is not innocent and had a hand in the killing and dismembering of Z then there is NO DEAL b/c she lied


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: 4 Donks on December 08, 2010, 02:08:59 PM
Would someone mind answering a quick question? Did Zahra attend school and then she was moved but was never signed up for that new school?
SM told the school that Zahra was being home schooled.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on December 08, 2010, 02:54:58 PM
Article dated: October 14

WSOCTV.com
Should Schools Have Raised Red Flag In Zahra Baker Case

CALDWELL COUNTY., N.C. -- On Thursday, Channel 9 investigated why someone hadn’t notice Zahra Baker was missing sooner.

A lot of times, the schools are the first ones to pick up on these things, but in this case no education officials at any level, in any county, knew where Baker was.

Channel 9 learned that Baker finished last school year in Caldwell County, but then she didn't show up for the first few days of school this year.

Channel 9 spoke with a school spokesperson, Libby Brown, on Thursday. She said a school counselor called Baker's parents and that Baker's parents said they moved to Hickory and were probably going to home-school Baker.

Brown said, "There was no more contact with the family. They refused to speak to the school."

If the Bakers were home-schooling, they would have had to file papers with the state. Channel 9 talked to a state school official, Jill Lucas, Thursday. She handles home-schooling and private schools. She said the state doesn't have any records of either parent setting up a home school or any home school at Baker's address.

Someone else could have been teaching Baker, but the state couldn't say for sure because the state doesn't track the students.

North Carolina has a law requiring school attendance, so Channel investigated who enforces that, who was making sure Baker was attending some school. Perhaps that person would have seen a change.

It sounds like, in a case like Baker's, no one knew to check.

Copyright 2010 by WSOCTV.com. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/25394665/detail.html

Thank you to those who answered the question. It is what I feared because I have read it all to many times before sadly.
This is the crack that so many children fall into. There needs to be a federal law requiring the last school a child attends to confirm that child is enrolled in the next school. Sadly I don't think there is. A parent should not be able to say, well I think we are just going to home school the child and then it is never looked at again.
This is a flaw, a big one, that puts children at risk.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: SuzieQ on December 08, 2010, 09:59:27 PM
http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/dec/08/5/das-office-asks-delay-hearing-zahra-baker-warrants-ar-601764/

DA's office asks to delay hearing on Baker warrants
Hearing on sealed search warrants was scheduled for next week; wants it moved to January.
By Sarah Newell williamson
Published: December 08, 2010
Updated: December 08, 2010 - 7:43 PM

 
The Catawba County district attorney's office filed a motion Wednesday to move a hearing to discuss at least 20 sealed search warrants in the Zahra Baker investigation. The new date is Jan. 3, 2011.

Prosecutor Sean McGinnis initially filed a motion on Nov. 29 to extend current sealing orders on all search warrants relating to the case. The warrants were initially sealed for 30 days. In the motion McGinnis filed on Nov. 29, it stated a hearing was set for Dec. 13 to discuss the sealing orders on the search warrants.

District Attorney Jay Gaither said he had no comment about why his office asked the hearing be moved three weeks later than his office initially requested, and five weeks from when his office asked for a hearing on the matter.

On Nov. 30, Superior Court Judge Nathaniel Poovey unsealed 13 warrants in the Zahra Baker investigation. According to Poovey’s order unsealing order, the district attorney’s office did not file a motion to extend the seal until after media outlets asked for copies of the warrants.

When media again asked for copies of the warrants, “The court offered to hear (the state’s motion) on Monday, Nov. 29, but the state declined and indicated they would not be prepared to have it heard until the week of Dec. 13,” according to Poovey’s unsealing order.

Information obtained from warrants that were unsealed Nov. 29 revealed that Zahra may have been raped. One search warrant also stateed Zahra Baker’s stepmother, Elisa Baker, told police where evidence could be found. The evidence including Zahra’s mattress and box spring, her prosthesis, and a bed comforter and car cover used to transport the body.

The warrants that remain sealed contain information on Department of Social Services’ investigation of Elisa three children, Brittany Proctor (Starbuck), Amber Fairchild and Douglas Proctor in Alexander, Cleveland, Lincoln, Gaston, Burke, Catawba and Caldwell counties.

The search warrants also contain information on the Baker house at 21 Avenue, NW, in Hickory, cell phone records, information from IMVU, the social networking site where Elisa met Adam, and medical records for Elisa.

Zahra, 10, lost part of her left leg and some of her hearing to cancer. She was first reported missing by her father, Adam, on Oct. 9. On Oct. 12, the case was changed to a homicide investigation. Her stepmother, Elisa, 42, is currently in jail for writing a false ransom note in which she demanded $1 million. Because of that, Elisa has been indicted on one count of felony obstruction of justice. She has also been arrested on several other charges unrelated to Zahra’s disappearance. Adam was arrested as well, for several charges unrelated to the case. He has since bonded out of jail.



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Curly on December 08, 2010, 11:01:09 PM
Gotta wonder why they're stalling.
Hope it's so they can ARREST Adam.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on December 08, 2010, 11:06:30 PM
Gotta wonder why they're stalling.
Hope it's so they can ARREST Adam.

I'm with you, Curly! It's time to lower the boom on him.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Curly on December 08, 2010, 11:16:59 PM
I know, CBB.
I'm so losing my patience over this.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on December 09, 2010, 01:58:45 AM
Adam is still free? What the....? I can't believe it.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on December 09, 2010, 02:06:48 AM
Dear Zahra,
I am sorry for all you endured. You were a brave little girl. I know you made it and crossed over with angels. I pray for peace over your soul beautiful girl.  You are now safe little one. Never again will you feel fear or pain, only love. May our heavenly Father forever love and protect you.  ::MonkeyAngel::

 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on December 09, 2010, 07:08:42 AM
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/12/09/1897628/prosecutors-want-more-zahra-warrants.html
Prosecutors want more Zahra warrants sealed 12/09/10
By Meghan Cooke

macooke@charlotteobserver.com
Prosecutors filed a motion Wednesday to seal six search warrants in the Zahra Baker investigation, according to the Hickory Daily Record. A hearing on the motion has been scheduled for Jan. 3.

The motion, filed by the Catawba County District Attorney's Office, would seal warrants that include medical information about Zahra's stepmother, Elisa Baker. They also contain information about a website where Elisa Baker met Zahra's father, Adam Baker.

The10-year-old was reported missing Oct. 9 and her body has since been found dismembered and scattered across several rural areas.

The Hickory Daily Record also reported that an additional 15 sealed warrants were filed this week. The warrants include cell phone records, information on the Bakers' Hickory home and information about Department of Social Services investigations concerning Elisa Baker's three other children.

A superior court judge unsealed several warrants in late November that revealed Elisa Baker directed investigators to locations where they found key evidence, such as Zahra's prosthetic leg
Another hearing is scheduled for next week to discuss whether two search warrants should be unsealed.






Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on December 09, 2010, 11:28:31 AM
All I want for Christmas is for Z's perp to be arrested and locked up.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: luvmyboys on December 09, 2010, 01:28:41 PM
Is adam NEVER ever gonna be arrested??? I keep waiting and waiting just like all of you guys. Ughhh I just want 2 ride on over 2 where he is and beat the ever loven sh*t out of him omg this case is bringing the worse out in me. Rant over sorry. I just want him In jail so bad!!!!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: statru on December 09, 2010, 02:02:53 PM
No, under normal conditions the former school shouldn't have had to contact the incoming new school. Most transfers go without any issues as most parents are responsible and want their chilren to have an education.


I've been in the office when the school called another to verify if a child was enrolled at the new one after they left there.
Then they call the parents to find out why, then they report it to the state.
 All schools are different, but I do feel there should have been follow up on the schools part.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: statru on December 09, 2010, 02:05:13 PM
On another note, apparently adam went to Walmart the other day, and they had to shut the store down, and call police to have him escorted out because the people that saw him were on the verge of a riot.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: mizjay on December 09, 2010, 03:01:09 PM
 
On another note, apparently adam went to Walmart the other day, and they had to shut the store down, and call police to have him escorted out because the people that saw him were on the verge of a riot.
::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDance::  that's hilarious. 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: mizjay on December 09, 2010, 03:04:06 PM
He and his mommy can pretend all they want but zahra didn't die and get dismembered without him knowing about it or having a part. I hope he sweats bullets each and every minute of the day.  One day that police escort will take him to jail for a long time. Can't wait!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Curly on December 09, 2010, 04:42:50 PM
On another note, apparently adam went to Walmart the other day, and they had to shut the store down, and call police to have him escorted out because the people that saw him were on the verge of a riot.

I like this tidbit.
Too bad they didn't riot on his fat azz.


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Post by: cw618 on December 09, 2010, 05:06:35 PM
All I want for Christmas is for Z's perp to be arrested and locked up.

me too, seems the wheels of justice are slow, i hope the wheels are spinning a
air tight, no wiggle room web/case


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Brandi on December 09, 2010, 05:22:41 PM
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=7833031&rss=rss-wtvd-article-7833031

This one says there is a hearing on Dec. 13 for two of the search warrants.


Catawba DA seeks new date for hearing on warrants
HICKORY, N.C. -- Prosecutors have filed a motion for a January hearing to discuss six sealed search warrants in the investigation into the death of a 10-year-old North Carolina girl who authorities believe was killed and dismembered.

The Hickory Daily Record reports that the warrants include Elisa Baker's medical data and information about a website where she and Zahra Baker's father met.

Three of the warrants would have been unsealed on Wednesday if Catawba County Assistant District Attorney Sean McGinnis hadn't filed a motion on Nov. 29 to extend orders on all sealed documents relating to the Zahra Baker case. The other three would have been unsealed on Friday.

A hearing on whether two search warrants should be unsealed is scheduled for Dec. 13. The next hearing would be held Jan. 3, 2011.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: sassifrass on December 09, 2010, 05:51:49 PM
On another note, apparently adam went to Walmart the other day, and they had to shut the store down, and call police to have him escorted out because the people that saw him were on the verge of a riot.

I like this tidbit.
Too bad they didn't riot on his fat azz.

Curly: You always crack me up! I love your candor!  ::MonkeyDevil::  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: sadheart on December 09, 2010, 06:00:30 PM

He's back peddling now...

Anyway, it all hinges on what he can actually PROVE. and who knows if he can prove anything to be able to press charges.

I dont know. I read this morning about a case in Alabama that is similar to this one...makes me beyond sick that these parents dont want their children. I just dont understand people.
This case in Alabama is beyond words and it is beyond comprehension.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: sassifrass on December 09, 2010, 06:11:05 PM
On another note, apparently adam went to Walmart the other day, and they had to shut the store down, and call police to have him escorted out because the people that saw him were on the verge of a riot.

This is the best news I've heard all day. Go Wal-mart shoppers, go!  ::MonkeyDevil::

Let's face it, there is no where to hide for this pond scum. He should just turn himself in now.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: pfaubush on December 09, 2010, 09:07:52 PM
Does anyone know if Ma Baker is still in the states, suporting her little bupkis? I also wonder where he got money to shop Wal-Mart. Collecting unemployment? Selling drugs? Mama? ED isn't footing his bill anymore.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: melisb on December 09, 2010, 10:15:19 PM
No, under normal conditions the former school shouldn't have had to contact the incoming new school. Most transfers go without any issues as most parents are responsible and want their chilren to have an education.

Ya know, in most schools I've been in or my son has been in the school will transfer the record if still in the same district.  They will even cross counties.  So they just handed EvilE the poor childs record never to be followed up on.  So if they kept moving and claimed she was being home schooled no one would be the wiser unless reported to the shcool/school board!  So sad.  She fell through the crack all right.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on December 09, 2010, 11:35:03 PM
I bet the returns from the search warrants from the site they met on, imvu are going to be interesting. Did they ever as far as anyone knows get a warrant for AY's computer for the same thing , imvu ? Think AY would give any truthful answers as to what AY was doing on imvu ? And with whom ?
And her mental health records, they will just say . Nuttier than squirrel poop.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on December 10, 2010, 11:01:54 AM
I bet the returns from the search warrants from the site they met on, imvu are going to be interesting. Did they ever as far as anyone knows get a warrant for AY's computer for the same thing , imvu ? Think AY would give any truthful answers as to what AY was doing on imvu ? And with whom ?
And her mental health records, they will just say . Nuttier than squirrel poop.

I put my money on the idea of Elisa being a sociopath, and having a major personality disorder.
NOBODY could participate or witness what supposedly was done to Z, by Adam. She and he IMO are
nuttier than a fruitcake, and Aaron Young goes in that summary as well.

Let's see, ummm I last saw her in February and August. You got your 2 minutes of fame, now sit back
and be quiet. Don't interject yourself further.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: SuzieQ on December 10, 2010, 11:16:09 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/12/09/north.carolina.girl/index.html?npt=NP1

Judge may decide to release details on slain North Carolina girlBy the CNN Wire Staff
December 10, 2010 6:40 a.m. EST
Sealed search warrants may contain details of how Zahra Baker, 10, was killed.

A key hearing related to the investigation of Zahra Baker, 10, will happen Monday
A judge could decide to release search warrants from detectives probing her death
Zahra's remains found November 11; over a month after she was reported missing
A tipster had suggested Zahra may have been raped, per earlier released warrants
(CNN) -- A judge could decide next week whether some or all of the details in search warrants related to the death of a 10-year-old disabled North Carolina girl will be made public.

Police found some of Zahra Baker's remains on November 11, just over a month after her stepmother Elisa Baker reported her missing. While Elisa has been charged with obstruction of justice -- for writing a fake ransom note and leaving it at the family's Hickory home -- no one has been charged directly in her death.

Meanwhile, the investigation has continued, with detectives requesting numerous warrants related to the case. They asked for an additional 15 sealed warrants on Wednesday in Catawba County court, on top of the many they requested previously.

A motions hearing is scheduled for Monday, December 13, to determine if details of any, some or all of the sealed warrants will be released.

Some of the search warrants obtained by the Hickory, North Carolina, police were made public earlier this month, giving a glimpse into the grisly events that could have led to the death of the freckled-face girl, who lost part of her left leg at age 5 to cancer.

According to one of the search warrants, a tipster told police that Zahra had been at a North Carolina home with two men and one of the men said "he had done something very bad and needed to leave town."

One of the men was associated with Zahra's stepmother but was not Zahra's father, the tipster said.

The tipster also told police that Zahra had been raped by both men and that she had blood on her private area and legs, the search warrant said. The tipster told police that he got the information about the alleged rape from a friend who was told about it from his sister.

Police went to the home to see if they could confirm the fourth-hand information and found a mattress at the side of the house that "had a large dark stain in the middle," the search warrant said.

The tipster said the men did not admit to killing the girl but did say that they "might have hit her in the head," the search warrant said.

Police were also told by an attorney for Elisa Baker that the girl was dismembered.

In one search warrant, dated October 27, police say they were looking for "latex gloves used while the body of Zahra Baker was dismembered." They also were searching for "white trash bags used to store body parts," the warrant said.

In that warrant, police were seeking to search the Hickory home that Zahra lived in with her stepmother and father Adam Troy Baker.

Besides the obstruction of justice charge, Elisa Baker is accused of writing worthless checks. Police have said she had been cooperating with investigators, including going with them to a search site.

Adam Troy Baker was arrested in late October in nearby Catawba County on eight charges: five counts of writing bad checks and three counts of failing to appear in court. Authorities said the charges were unrelated to Zahra's disappearance, and he was later released on bail.

InSession's Jessica Thill contributed to this report.

     
 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Monkey King on December 10, 2010, 11:28:08 AM
What kind of parent or even human being allows their child to be around such deranged people? The sad part is, kids are put in dangerous positions with freaks like this everyday by looser parents. 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Monkey King on December 10, 2010, 11:34:17 AM
Statru- that's reassuring to know some schools are on top of things. I was generalizing in my statement.

Unfortunately, Zahra fell through the cracks in this school system. Very sad.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Monkey King on December 10, 2010, 11:38:40 AM
The police have done a terrific job with this case. Now, it's up to the DA, the GJ and the ME to determine what charges, who to charge with what. I hope Zahra's remains have enough evidence to tell the story of what she endured and those responsible are held accountable.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Curly on December 10, 2010, 12:10:42 PM
On another note, apparently adam went to Walmart the other day, and they had to shut the store down, and call police to have him escorted out because the people that saw him were on the verge of a riot.

I like this tidbit.
Too bad they didn't riot on his fat azz.

Curly: You always crack me up! I love your candor!  ::MonkeyDevil::  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Lol, Sassi. I'm just so fed up with the wheels of justice and the time they take to turn.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: starwynn on December 10, 2010, 01:25:25 PM
What kind of parent or even human being allows their child to be around such deranged people? The sad part is, kids are put in dangerous positions with freaks like this everyday by looser parents. 

Ones who are even more depraved themselves.  And yes - loser parents would be the correct answer as well.    ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on December 10, 2010, 03:28:42 PM
http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13643953
NC students collect toys in Zahra Baker's memory
December 9, 2010

CLAREMONT, N.C. (AP) - The unexplained death of a 10-year-old disabled girl is weighing on the minds of students at a North Carolina middle school and leading them to collect toys for their underprivileged peers.

Students at River Bend Middle School have collected more than 800 stuffed animals in memory of Zahra Baker, who like them lived in Catawba County.

The stuffed animals will be given to police in Conover and Hickory on Monday for distribution to children who are needy or whose parents are in jail.
(snip)


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Monkey King on December 10, 2010, 03:50:33 PM
How sweet. It's amazing how Zahra has touched countless people by her death.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on December 10, 2010, 04:33:53 PM

Zahra Baker inspires students' one-act play
The Zahra Baker case influences the writers' work


HICKORY - The 10-year-old girl is being abused daily by her stepfather. The victim keeps what's happening bottled up - until she can't stand it any longer and tells all to a school counselor, who finds help.

It's a variation of an all too familiar story.

But this outline is from an original one-act play called "Isabell's Case," written by theater students at Hickory's St. Stephens High School.

They fleshed out the story after visiting at the Children's Advocacy Center of Catawba County and learning about abuse issues. The play is based on actual instances of abuse, but not a specific case.

"Isabel" isn't a real person. But when the production is performed today and Saturday, a candle will burn in memory of 10-year-old Zahra Baker, a case that has gained worldwide attention. Hickory police say they have evidence Zahra is dead, and her family and friends have said they saw signs she suffered abuse.

MORE....

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/12/10/1901099/catawba-students-write-original.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: statru on December 10, 2010, 09:22:33 PM
The police have done a terrific job with this case. Now, it's up to the DA, the GJ and the ME to determine what charges, who to charge with what. I hope Zahra's remains have enough evidence to tell the story of what she endured and those responsible are held accountable.

Well, the DA is an idiot. I really really hope he doesnt blow this case like he has so many others. I think he knows he is being held a lot more accountable on this one


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on December 10, 2010, 09:36:08 PM
Hickory High students give to honor Zahra

HICKORY --
Several of the career and technical education clubs at Hickory High wanted to help the Hickory Police Department with its Cops for Tots program this year. The program’s Wish House opens Monday for parents and guardians who need help providing presents for their children for Christmas.

DECA, SkillsUSA, TRU and the Future Business Leaders of America got together to ask students to bring in toys for the program. Alex Miller, Richard Robinson, Chad Powell, Mollie Jones, Jasmine Lynch and Olivia Atkins oversaw the donations and made daily announcements.

On Friday, Hickory Police Chief Tom Adkins was presented with about 50 toys for Cops for Tots. The toys included fire trucks, Hot Wheels, baby dolls, Candy Land, Chutes and Ladders and even a forest green bike, big enough for a 12- or 14-year-old.

“Ever since the Cops for Tots program started in the mid-1980s, our goal has been to assist families in providing their children with Christmas gifts,” Adkins said. “Without the assistance of our community, and in this case, the students at Hickory High School, it would be impossible.”

Students had about two weeks to bring the gifts in. The collection was done in memory of Zahra Baker, the 10-year-old disabled Australian native who was reported missing, and later dead.

“She was in the Hickory High district, and would have eventually gone to this school,” Jones said. “We wanted to do something to honor her.”

While Jones, 17, didn’t bring a toy in to this drive, she did bring a toy to the memorial that was held last week. She donated a stuffed elephant because she had one as child and said it was her favorite.

Miller, 16, said he was happy so many students participated.

“It’s great that this many kids dropped off presents for the less fortunate,” he said.

Jones agreed.

“A lot of students don’t think about those who don’t have things, they just expect presents,” she said. “It’s good they’re thinking of others.”

Powell, 17, said that by asking the students to donate the toys in Zahra’s name, they’re hoping more students paid attention to what happened to her.

“We’re raising awareness by putting it in her name,” he said. “We’re hoping what happened to her won’t happen to others.”

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/dec/10/hickory-high-students-give-honor-zahra-ar-607683/


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Monkey King on December 10, 2010, 11:32:22 PM
Thank you for posting that, Northern Rose. It's good to see kids thinking of other kids during this time of year. As I said earlier, it's amazing how many people Zahra has touched by her death. She touched a lot in her life too, but many more in death. Many children will benefit in her name this Christmas who may have gone without.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Brandi on December 10, 2010, 11:39:55 PM
Thank you for posting that, Northern Rose. It's good to see kids thinking of other kids during this time of year. As I said earlier, it's amazing how many people Zahra has touched by her death. She touched a lot in her life too, but many more in death. Many children will benefit in her name this Christmas who may have gone without.

Agreed, Monkey King!

Zahra has touched many adults as well, with her brave battles she conquered. She set such a wonderful example for people of all ages.

Even adults garner strength for their own battles from her example.

She was such a wonderful person to admire and look up to.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on December 10, 2010, 11:41:32 PM
if they think that it will damge the further investigation, then I hope the serach warrants are sealed as much as I need to know what is going on. What I fear is :
Adam Baker seems to have a cluster of misguided peeps around him close to the case, ie AY and EB's daughters. for some reason. They have collective skeletons in their closets, drug use, imvu, money issues and might stoop to try to cover up their own involvement in activities and help Adam Baker out. They don't seem to think he is such a bad guy, even tho he just sat there and allowed Eliza to abuse and neglect his daughter.
..
Better everything they suspect by what they have asked for in a search warrant be kept under wraps. A successful investigation unhindered by the right to know trumps freedom of press.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Monkey King on December 11, 2010, 12:26:47 AM
Very true, Kat_Gram. As much as I'd like to know, if any info in those search warrants jeopardizes the prosecution from trying this case, I hope the judge rules to keep them sealed. I'm not sure what you mean about the daugthers. I remember the one daugther pleaded they keep EB in jail. Has something else transpired?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on December 11, 2010, 02:35:38 AM
Very true, Kat_Gram. As much as I'd like to know, if any info in those search warrants jeopardizes the prosecution from trying this case, I hope the judge rules to keep them sealed. I'm not sure what you mean about the daugthers. I remember the one daugther pleaded they keep EB in jail. Has something else transpired?

I wonder what Elisa did to her own children ? Wow to state in court that u want your own BLOOD Mum 2 remain in jail !


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on December 11, 2010, 06:17:12 PM
Very true, Kat_Gram. As much as I'd like to know, if any info in those search warrants jeopardizes the prosecution from trying this case, I hope the judge rules to keep them sealed. I'm not sure what you mean about the daugthers. I remember the one daugther pleaded they keep EB in jail. Has something else transpired?
NO ....
AY and EB's daughters seem to be blaming EB, never hear a peep about AB. When they went to the house to get his stuff, B Starbucks was there. The connection between Adam and her faimly  / friends who are quite up front of their opinion on her, seem to be giving Adam a free pass. I wouldn't be giving him the time of day. Don't want any of THEM to see what is in those warrants and making up some lame excuses or alibis for AB.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: cw618 on December 11, 2010, 07:54:22 PM
my vision of justice against AB and EB for zahra

http://images.allmoviephoto.com/2005_The_Brothers_Grimm/2005_the_brothers_grimm_033.jpg


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on December 12, 2010, 02:31:46 PM
my vision of justice against AB and EB for zahra

http://images.allmoviephoto.com/2005_The_Brothers_Grimm/2005_the_brothers_grimm_033.jpg

For some reason I can't view it, but I hope it involves a wood chipper and a chain saw.   ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: cw618 on December 12, 2010, 03:57:30 PM
my vision of justice against AB and EB for zahra

http://images.allmoviephoto.com/2005_The_Brothers_Grimm/2005_the_brothers_grimm_033.jpg

For some reason I can't view it, but I hope it involves a wood chipper and a chain saw.   ::MonkeyMad::

try copy paste into your search box or the addy box see if it works
works for me just clicking link and paste in boxes


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on December 12, 2010, 06:53:41 PM
my vision of justice against AB and EB for zahra

http://images.allmoviephoto.com/2005_The_Brothers_Grimm/2005_the_brothers_grimm_033.jpg

For some reason I can't view it, but I hope it involves a wood chipper and a chain saw.   ::MonkeyMad::

try copy paste into your search box or the addy box see if it works
works for me just clicking link and paste in boxes

That worked! And I second your vision.  ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on December 13, 2010, 01:09:16 AM
I am being optimistic that this week will reveal the truth and arrests !

JUSTICE FOR ZAHRA ! ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on December 13, 2010, 10:47:36 AM
http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13662434                       
Judge to decide if more search warrants in Zahra case should be made public
December 13, 2010

NEWTON, NC (WBTV) - A court hearing will held in Catawba County Monday morning that could reveal even more details in the Zahra Baker death investigation.

Baker is the 10-year-old girl whose remains were found scattered in two locations in Caldwell County in recent weeks.  Officials said her body had been dismembered.
There are a lot of search warrants in this investigation that are currently sealed right now.

Two of the warrants that are sealed will be discussed in a hearing this morning and a judge could decide to make them public.  Right now, it's unclear what those warrants could possibly reveal.

Six more warrants in the case reportedly have information on Elisa Baker's medical history as well as information on a website where she and Adam Baker met online.

It's those six warrants District Attorney James Gaither wants to remain sealed.  He even filed a motion with the court last week to keep that paperwork private.

Elisa Baker is charged with obstruction of justice after she admitted to writing a fake ransom note the day her stepdaughter, Zahra Baker, was reported missing.
A couple of weeks ago, a judge decided to unseal a 121-page warrant in the case that revealed some of the most disturbing and gruesome details in this case yet including that Zahra's bones, blood and bodily liquids could be found in the drains of the Baker home.  Read the warrants: Group 1 | Group 2 | Group 3 | Group 4  (NOTE: Large pdf files) (at link)

WBTV's Derrick Rose is at the hearing this morning and we will update WBTV.com as soon as we learn what the judge's decision is regarding the warrants.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Nana29 on December 13, 2010, 11:01:05 AM
http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13662434                       
Judge to decide if more search warrants in Zahra case should be made public
December 13, 2010

NEWTON, NC (WBTV) - A court hearing will held in Catawba County Monday morning that could reveal even more details in the Zahra Baker death investigation.

Baker is the 10-year-old girl whose remains were found scattered in two locations in Caldwell County in recent weeks.  Officials said her body had been dismembered.
There are a lot of search warrants in this investigation that are currently sealed right now.

Two of the warrants that are sealed will be discussed in a hearing this morning and a judge could decide to make them public.  Right now, it's unclear what those warrants could possibly reveal.

Six more warrants in the case reportedly have information on Elisa Baker's medical history as well as information on a website where she and Adam Baker met online.

It's those six warrants District Attorney James Gaither wants to remain sealed.  He even filed a motion with the court last week to keep that paperwork private.

Elisa Baker is charged with obstruction of justice after she admitted to writing a fake ransom note the day her stepdaughter, Zahra Baker, was reported missing.
A couple of weeks ago, a judge decided to unseal a 121-page warrant in the case that revealed some of the most disturbing and gruesome details in this case yet including that Zahra's bones, blood and bodily liquids could be found in the drains of the Baker home.  Read the warrants: Group 1 | Group 2 | Group 3 | Group 4  (NOTE: Large pdf files) (at link)

WBTV's Derrick Rose is at the hearing this morning and we will update WBTV.com as soon as we learn what the judge's decision is regarding the warrants.


Thanks Muffy    ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on December 13, 2010, 12:15:00 PM
Hearing canceled on sealed search warrants in Zahra Baker case  (with video)

NEWTON, N.C. -- The hearing scheduled for Monday in Catawba County in the Zahra Baker case has been canceled. A judge was expected to decide whether to unseal more of the search warrants in the case. There's no word on when the hearing will be rescheduled.

Catawba County District Attorney Jay Gaither wants to keep them sealed. One hundred and twenty two pages of search warrants were made public Nov. 30, but Gaither said the remaining warrants had information sensitive to the investigation. They include medical information for Elisa Baker, Zahra's stepmother, and information about the website where she and Zahra's father, Adam, met.

Elisa Baker is being held on obstruction of justice charges after she admitted writing a fake ransom note. No one has been charged with the girl's death.


http://charlotte.news14.com/content/top_stories/634025/hearing-canceled-on-sealed-search-warrants-in-zahra-baker-case


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on December 13, 2010, 12:20:06 PM
Hearing canceled on sealed search warrants in Zahra Baker case  (with video)

NEWTON, N.C. -- The hearing scheduled for Monday in Catawba County in the Zahra Baker case has been canceled. A judge was expected to decide whether to unseal more of the search warrants in the case. There's no word on when the hearing will be rescheduled.

Catawba County District Attorney Jay Gaither wants to keep them sealed. One hundred and twenty two pages of search warrants were made public Nov. 30, but Gaither said the remaining warrants had information sensitive to the investigation. They include medical information for Elisa Baker, Zahra's stepmother, and information about the website where she and Zahra's father, Adam, met.

Elisa Baker is being held on obstruction of justice charges after she admitted writing a fake ransom note. No one has been charged with the girl's death.


http://charlotte.news14.com/content/top_stories/634025/hearing-canceled-on-sealed-search-warrants-in-zahra-baker-case
Interesting, thank-you all for the updates. Good to see you Northern  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on December 13, 2010, 12:28:46 PM
Hearing canceled on sealed search warrants in Zahra Baker case  (with video)

NEWTON, N.C. -- The hearing scheduled for Monday in Catawba County in the Zahra Baker case has been canceled. A judge was expected to decide whether to unseal more of the search warrants in the case. There's no word on when the hearing will be rescheduled.

Catawba County District Attorney Jay Gaither wants to keep them sealed. One hundred and twenty two pages of search warrants were made public Nov. 30, but Gaither said the remaining warrants had information sensitive to the investigation. They include medical information for Elisa Baker, Zahra's stepmother, and information about the website where she and Zahra's father, Adam, met.

Elisa Baker is being held on obstruction of justice charges after she admitted writing a fake ransom note. No one has been charged with the girl's death.


http://charlotte.news14.com/content/top_stories/634025/hearing-canceled-on-sealed-search-warrants-in-zahra-baker-case
Interesting, thank-you all for the updates. Good to see you Northern  ::MonkeyAngel::

Thank you.  Good to be back in the land of the interne  ::MonkeyDance::t


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on December 13, 2010, 01:27:28 PM
Hearing to discuss making warrants in Zahra case public will not be held

NEWTON, NC (WBTV) - A court hearing was supposed to be held in Catawba County Monday morning concerning an attorney's request to make public two warrants in the Zahra Baker death investigation.

Baker is the 10-year-old girl whose remains were found scattered in two locations in Caldwell County in recent weeks.  Officials said her body had been dismembered.

FULL COVERAGE: Follow the entire Zahra Baker case

There are several search warrants in the investigation that are currently sealed right now.

Two of the sealed warrants were supposed to be discussed during a hearing this morning for a judge to decide if they should be made public.

By noon on Monday, WBTV learned the hearing would not be held, and that the motion filed for the hearing had been withdrawn from the court calendar.  This means the warrants are still sealed.

There are six other warrants in the case that reportedly contain information on Elisa Baker's medical history as well as information on a website where she and Adam Baker met online.

District Attorney James Gaither wanted these warrants to remain sealed and he filed a motion with the court last week to keep the paperwork private.

Elisa Baker is charged with obstruction of justice after she admitted to writing a fake ransom note the day her stepdaughter, Zahra Baker, was reported missing.

Related: Just WHO IS Elisa Baker? Read a profile

A couple of weeks ago, a judge decided to unseal a 121-page warrant in the case that revealed some of the most disturbing and gruesome details in this case yet including that Zahra's bones, blood and bodily liquids could be found in the drains of the Baker home.  Read the warrants: Group 1 | Group 2 | Group 3 | Group 4  (NOTE: Large pdf files)

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13662434


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on December 13, 2010, 04:10:20 PM
Attorney files motion for release of remaining search warrants in Zahra case

NEWTON, NC (WBTV) - An attorney has filed a motion to have 30 search warrants in the Zahra Baker death investigation to be released to the public.

Baker is the 10-year-old girl whose remains were found scattered in two locations in Caldwell County in recent weeks.  Officials said her body had been dismembered.
FULL COVERAGE: Follow the entire Zahra Baker case
On November 30th, 13 search warrants were unsealed.  However, on December 10th, the court "resealed" two of the 13 search warrants that were released.   

For now, there are currently 11 unsealed search warrants which have been made available to the public.   
One of the warrants included 121-pages which revealed some of the most disturbing and gruesome details in this case.  The warrant provided information about Zahra's bones, blood and bodily liquids that could be found in the drains of the Baker home.  Read the warrants: Group 1 | Group 2 | Group 3 | Group 4  (NOTE: Large pdf files)
On Monday, December 13th, Attorney Amanda Martin filed a civil motion to have the remaining 30 search warrants unsealed.

 For now, its appears there may be a hearing on January 3rd to discuss Martin's motion requesting the release of the remaining warrants. 
Some of the warrants reportedly contain information about Elisa Baker's medical history as well as information on a website where she and Adam Baker met online.
District Attorney James Gaither wanted these warrants to remain sealed and he filed a motion with the court last week to keep the paperwork private.
Elisa Baker is charged with obstruction of justice after she admitted to writing a fake ransom note the day her stepdaughter, Zahra Baker, was reported missing.

http://morganton.wbtv.com/content/attorney-files-motion-release-remaining-search-warrants-zahra-case?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on December 13, 2010, 04:40:25 PM
Attorney files motion for release of remaining search warrants in Zahra case

NEWTON, NC (WBTV) - An attorney has filed a motion to have 30 search warrants in the Zahra Baker death investigation to be released to the public.

Baker is the 10-year-old girl whose remains were found scattered in two locations in Caldwell County in recent weeks.  Officials said her body had been dismembered.
FULL COVERAGE: Follow the entire Zahra Baker case
On November 30th, 13 search warrants were unsealed.  However, on December 10th, the court "resealed" two of the 13 search warrants that were released.   

For now, there are currently 11 unsealed search warrants which have been made available to the public.   
One of the warrants included 121-pages which revealed some of the most disturbing and gruesome details in this case.  The warrant provided information about Zahra's bones, blood and bodily liquids that could be found in the drains of the Baker home.  Read the warrants: Group 1 | Group 2 | Group 3 | Group 4  (NOTE: Large pdf files)
On Monday, December 13th, Attorney Amanda Martin filed a civil motion to have the remaining 30 search warrants unsealed.

 For now, its appears there may be a hearing on January 3rd to discuss Martin's motion requesting the release of the remaining warrants. 
Some of the warrants reportedly contain information about Elisa Baker's medical history as well as information on a website where she and Adam Baker met online.
District Attorney James Gaither wanted these warrants to remain sealed and he filed a motion with the court last week to keep the paperwork private.
Elisa Baker is charged with obstruction of justice after she admitted to writing a fake ransom note the day her stepdaughter, Zahra Baker, was reported missing.

http://morganton.wbtv.com/content/attorney-files-motion-release-remaining-search-warrants-zahra-case?

There's not much doubt in my mind that Elisa is batty as a bed bug, but she's crazy like a fox. Evil and cunning too.  I can just about imagine the information on the dating website.  ::MonkeyRoll::  I hope nothing is more gruesome that what has already been released. That last release of documents was really hard to take.  (http://mobth844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/th_MonkeyTears.gif?t=1292107443)


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Curly on December 13, 2010, 05:51:28 PM
This is totally unbelievable...Justice delayed is justice denied.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on December 13, 2010, 06:17:25 PM
On Monday, December 13th, Attorney Amanda Martin filed a civil motion to have the remaining 30 search warrants unsealed.

Who is this and why ?
If LE says it will damage the investigation, then let's take their word for it, it will be public soon enough. 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: statru on December 13, 2010, 09:41:08 PM


http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/dec/13/court-asked-unseal-more-warrants-zahra-baker-case-ar-614566/


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: statru on December 13, 2010, 09:42:18 PM
 NEWTON --

A hearing in Catawba County Superior Court for a motion to unseal two search warrants in the Zahra Baker case was cancelled on Monday because the clerk of court released those warrants with the others on Nov. 30.

However, attorney Amanda Martin, who is acting on behalf of several media outlets including the Hickory Daily Record, filed a new motion seeking to unseal additional warrants.

Since the investigation began into the disappearance and death of 10-year-old Zahra, investigators have wanted the search warrants in the case sealed.

Media outlets requested the warrants be released to the public. According to Superior Court Judge Timothy Kincaid’s administrative order, sealed warrants expire in 30 days unless a motion was filed to extend the date. The district attorney’s office fought any of the warrants being released.

On Nov. 29, the district attorney’s office filed a motion, asking that any warrants on file that had not passed the 30-day mark remain under seal. This applied to Oct. 27 and 29 warrants.

When Judge Nathaniel Poovey ordered the release of the warrants, these two warrants should not have been released, according to his order. It stated that the court will hear the state’s motion to extend the sealing orders for entered on October 27 and October 29 on December 13 or at such other time…that the matter could be heard.”

The two warrants that were under orders to be sealed are back under seal, as of Dec. 10. On the outside of the two search warrants is a copy of Poovey’s order, along with a note, stating they are resealed per an order signed by Poovey.

“We never ordered that they be given out,” said Jay Gaither, Catawba County district attorney. “They are still sealed. “We haven’t taken any action. They remain under seal, they were just mistakenly given out.”

Al Jean Bogle, clerk of court for Catawba County, disagrees with that statement. She said her office followed the judges' instructions. However, she said her office has to deal with several different orders.

“We’ve had several different judges — Judge Poovey, Judge Kincaid, Judge Bell and Judge Cherry — sign on these (search warrants and orders), attorneys assigned and removed on this case, and no charges have been filed,” Bogle said.

“This case has been very difficult. I am committed to doing my job according to the law and the best of my ability,” she added. “I’m dealing with paperwork from judges, attorneys and the district attorney. We file paperwork and unseal them according to judges and the law.”

Bogle  said if her office did make a mistake, though, they will correct it.

In all, there have been 41 search warrants in the Zahra Baker case, Bogle said. This includes two search warrants that have not been returned to the clerk’s office yet.

Martin, a Raleigh attorney who serves as general counsel for the North Carolina Press Association, is representing several media outlets interested in getting the search warrants unsealed. She filed a motion Monday to unseal the search warrants related to the Zahra Baker case.

Martin asked for a hearing on Dec. 20, or as soon thereafter as a judge would be able to schedule a hearing on the motion. Superior court does not meet that week, Bogle said. The next available court date will likely be Jan. 3.

According to Martin, part of her argument against the sealing orders is that the request to seal the search warrants was issued before the warrants were served or executed, so they are grounded partially on speculation. The sealing orders also are not narrowly tailored in scope or how long they should be sealed.

No one has be charged in the disappearance and death of Zahra Baker.

Zahra, who lost part of her left leg and some of her hearing to cancer, was first reported missing by her father, Adam, on Oct. 9. On Oct. 12, the case was changed to a homicide investigation. Her stepmother, Elisa, 42, is currently in jail for writing a false ransom note in which she demanded $1 million. Because of that, Elisa has been indicted on one count of felony obstruction of justice. She has also been arrested on several other charges unrelated to Zahra’s disappearance. Adam was arrested, as well, on several charges unrelated to the case, but is out of jail on bond.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: sassifrass on December 13, 2010, 10:13:42 PM
This is totally unbelievable...Justice delayed is justice denied.

Curly: I LOVE this statement! Can I put this in my sig line?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on December 14, 2010, 12:58:44 AM
I have never in my 58 years ever seen such a mess, out of a case that I think should be open and convicted, pronto !

None of this is acceptable to me. IF LE has a good reason, I hope they reveal it soon,
so this does not end up to be a dog and pony show like the case for Caylee Anthony ! ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on December 14, 2010, 07:58:45 AM
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/12/14/1909450/warrants-again-at-issue-in-case.html
Warrants again at issue in case of Zahra Baker
Media motion seeks to unseal 20 search documents as public records under law. Prosecutors want papers to stay closed
By Franco Ordoñez
fordonez@charlotteobserver.com
Posted: Tuesday, Dec. 14, 2010

Regional media outlets on Monday sought access to more than 20 sealed search warrants in the investigation into the death of 10-year-old Zahra Baker.

The documents include medical records for Elisa Baker, Zahra's stepmother, and Department of Social Services files in seven counties on Elisa Baker and three of her biological children.

In a motion filed in Catawba County, an attorney representing The Charlotte ******* and several other media outlets said prosecutors haven't sufficiently justified why the documents need to be sealed.

The use of search warrants is an incredible exercise of the state's police authority," Amanda Martin, general counsel to the North Carolina Press Association, told the *******. "Transparency and public oversight can be the only check on the exercise of that power."

Search warrant documents are public records but can be sealed under certain circumstances. Typically, they spell out what evidence investigators are looking for during a search, and also include an inventory of items seized.

Some 37 warrants have been filed since Zahra Baker was reported missing Oct. 9. A judge has already unsealed 11 of the earliest warrants issued in the case. Those still under seal were issued in October and November, and prosecutors want to keep them private.

The Catawba County District Attorney, James Gaither Jr., has argued that unsealing warrants could jeopardize the state's prosecution and the right of a defendant to receive a fair trial. But his motion does not spell out how those rights might be compromised.


Read more: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/12/14/1909450/warrants-again-at-issue-in-case.html#ixzz185fZonFh


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Curly on December 14, 2010, 05:29:39 PM
This is totally unbelievable...Justice delayed is justice denied.

Curly: I LOVE this statement! Can I put this in my sig line?

Of course, Sassi. Be my guest. I didn't make it up.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: SuzieQ on December 15, 2010, 03:08:04 PM
As much as I would like to read the search warrants, I think I am going to trust the DA that they need to stay sealed for now. Some of the names that have signed the pertition.


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Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Dihannah1 on December 15, 2010, 11:17:27 PM
This is totally unbelievable...Justice delayed is justice denied.

Curly: I LOVE this statement! Can I put this in my sig line?

I respectefully disagree.  If they are witholding information to benefit the case, then so  be it.  It's worth waiting for, for true justice.  Let's pray that LE knows more than we do and has good reason to delay.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Monkey King on December 16, 2010, 01:26:00 AM
They need to do whatever it takes to preserve the integrity of this case for a successful prosecution.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on December 16, 2010, 02:23:55 AM
 Dihannah1

Monkey King

I AM in full agreement with both of you !
But, this all seems so complicated with Z's case. Lock up the guilty and
go forward. It did not take LE long at all to lock up Elisa. Why
do u suppose that is ?

Nite all.  have to finish shoping 2 morrow and I dread it.
I am out of the mood for Christmas. My ONLY sister has relapsed with the CHF and
Diabetes and is going downhill quickly. It is in God's hands, not mine,
but I take it back too often ! ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Monkey King on December 16, 2010, 07:11:47 AM
LEP: Sorry to hear about your sister. More stress with the holidays as well.

The reason they were able to lock up EB is #1: The police knew they had to seperate her and AB. They must have know EB was the easier nut to crack- which she did by admitting to the ransom note.
#2: Both AB and EB had prior charges unrelated to this case. Once EB admitted to the ransom note, they then had a charge to keep her in jail while the investigation continued.
#3: According to the law, no one can be charged with a capital crime unless by indictment by a Grand Jury. The brutality and savagry of this case stands on it's own merit. The Grand Jury will be apalled just as much as we are. I don't doubt someone will be held to account for Zahra's death. The wheels of justice turn slow, but they do turn. This case has international attention. It will not go cold.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on December 16, 2010, 01:06:48 PM
Media ask Zahra warrants be opened


Regional media outlets on Monday sought access to more than 20 sealed search warrants in the investigation into the death of 10-year-old Zahra Baker.

The documents include medical records for Elisa Baker, Zahra's stepmother, and Department of Social Services files in seven counties on Elisa Baker and three of her biological children.

In a motion filed in Catawba County, an attorney representing The Charlotte ******* and several other media outlets said prosecutors haven't sufficiently justified why the documents need to be sealed.


"The use of search warrants is an incredible exercise of the state's police authority," Amanda Martin, general counsel to the N.C. Press Association, told The *******. "Transparency and public oversight can be the only check on the exercise of that power."

Search warrant documents are public records but can be sealed under certain circumstances. Typically, they spell out what evidence investigators are looking for during a search, and also include an inventory of items seized.

About 37 warrants have been filed since Zahra Baker was reported missing Oct. 9. A judge has already unsealed 11 of the earliest warrants issued in the case. Those still under seal were issued in October and November, and prosecutors want to keep them private.

The Catawba County District Attorney, James Gaither Jr., has argued that unsealing warrants could jeopardize the state's prosecution and the right of a defendant to receive a fair trial. But his motion does not spell out how those rights might be compromised.

DA wants seal extended

His office recently filed a motion to extend the seal on the warrants. A hearing has been requested for the week of Dec. 20, but no date has been set.

No charges have been filed in the death of Zahra Baker, whose tragic story has captured worldwide attention. Much of investigators' focus has been on her father, Adam Baker, and stepmother, Elisa Baker.

Elisa Baker is in jail after police say she admitted writing a fake ransom note to thwart investigators looking into Zahra's disappearance.

The sealed warrants were signed by five judges between Oct. 15 and Nov. 30. Each is in a manila envelope sealed with packaging tape and kept in a box at the Catawba County Courthouse.

Inside the envelopes are details uncovered from searches at the Baker's Hickory house, Elisa Baker's medical records, and information about the website where Elisa and Adam Baker met. They also include Elisa Baker's phone records and family records with the Department of Social Services in Alexander, Burke, Caldwell, Catawba, Cleveland, Lincoln, and Gaston counties.

Some warrants opened

On Dec. 2, Superior Court Judge Nathaniel Poovey unsealed 11 warrants, noting that a 30-day limit on seals had expired.

Those documents revealed a substantial amount of information about the case. They describe how Elisa Baker rode with police and directed them to locations where evidence had been discarded. Through her attorney Lisa Dubs, Baker told an investigator that Zahra's body had been dismembered.

Rape allegation

The warrant documents also contained a statement from an unnamed source claiming that two men may have raped Zahra before she died. The men, who have not been charged, have denied the allegations and told The ******* that they passed a polygraph test.

Elisa Baker also took a polygraph test, the documents show. When asked "Did you hurt Zahra?" and "Do you know if anyone has done harm to that child?," she showed deception in her answers, according to the documents.


http://www.newsobserver.com/2010/12/16/864693/media-ask-zahra-warrants-be-opened.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on December 16, 2010, 01:06:56 PM
I'm really frustrated that AB has not been arrested, but right now, I'm still trusting that there are valid reasons that are best for the case. I want every chance persued to take every opportunity for truth to be exposed, and every "i" dotted and "t" crossed.

I'm hoping that when LE is ready, AB and EB are going to be devastingly stunned at how thoroughly they are wrapped up, with no wiggle room at all.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Curly on December 16, 2010, 07:37:37 PM
We can only hope, CBB.
They're just moving too slowly for my taste and it's totally frustrating.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on December 16, 2010, 08:22:06 PM

Hickory officer charged with DWI‎

Falowski was among the officers investigating the Zahra Baker case

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/dec/16/hickory-officer-charged-dwi-ar-623848/


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: sassifrass on December 17, 2010, 10:41:10 AM

Hickory officer charged with DWI‎

Falowski was among the officers investigating the Zahra Baker case

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/dec/16/hickory-officer-charged-dwi-ar-623848/

I don't condone drinking and driving, but after what these officers have witnessed in this case, if they didn't drink before, I wouldn't be at all surprised if they started drinking now.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: SuzieQ on December 17, 2010, 11:34:06 AM
According to Ray Berkey WCNC, Elisa had a hearing this morning on her bad check charges. I was posponed till April.

http://twitter.com/#!/RadBerkywcnc


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on December 17, 2010, 11:56:12 AM

Hickory officer charged with DWI‎

Falowski was among the officers investigating the Zahra Baker case

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/dec/16/hickory-officer-charged-dwi-ar-623848/

I don't condone drinking and driving, but after what these officers have witnessed in this case, if they didn't drink before, I wouldn't be at all surprised if they started drinking now.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I absolutely agree with you. It is an awful murder, and police officers are only human too. I have cried my own tears over Zahra and I know lots of people have. This is one case I will never forget, and I think anyone who has seen it first hand will have nightmares for a long time. I hope all of the officers dealing with this are getting counseling and have a good pastor.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on December 17, 2010, 12:05:09 PM

Hickory officer charged with DWI‎

Falowski was among the officers investigating the Zahra Baker case

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/dec/16/hickory-officer-charged-dwi-ar-623848/

I don't condone drinking and driving, but after what these officers have witnessed in this case, if they didn't drink before, I wouldn't be at all surprised if they started drinking now.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I absolutely agree with you. It is an awful murder, and police officers are only human too. I have cried my own tears over Zahra and I know lots of people have. This is one case I will never forget, and I think anyone who has seen it first hand will have nightmares for a long time. I hope all of the officers dealing with this are getting counseling and have a good pastor.

Yeah, Fanny, I'm with you. This case is the hardest one I remember. What Zahra endured is beyond belief.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on December 17, 2010, 01:02:08 PM
No Updates In Zahra Baker Case

There has been no release of new information pertaining to the Zahra Baker case for a while. To date no charges have been filed in her murder and authorities are keeping quiet. Local citizens have expressed that they feel there should charges be by now.

The eruption of media coverage after 11 warrants were unsealed has prompted Catawba County District Attorney, James Gaither Jr. to file a motion to extend the seal on the remaining warrants. He asked for a hearing during the week of Dec. 20th. He believes that unsealing the warrants could jeopardize the state’s prosecution and the right of a defendant to receive a fair trial. No date has been set at this time.

According to reports several media outlets have also filed a motion saying prosecutors have not sufficiently justified why the documents need to be sealed. They seek access to those documents. Warrants are public information except in certain circumstances when they can be sealed. There are approximately a total 37 warrants in the Zahra Baker case to date. The warrants could be unsealed if a judge decides not to extend the current order to seal.

Elasa Baker, Zahra’s stepmother, remains incarcerated. Adam Baker, Zahra’s biological father, remains out on bail.

http://radioamber.net/?p=3438


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: pfaubush on December 17, 2010, 07:59:17 PM
Am I the only one thinking that this may go much further than Elisa and Adam physically abusing and dismembering Zahra? It seems that if that were all there was to the story, there would have been arrests by now. The longer they wait to arrest someone, the more it seems something even deeper is going on. All of the DNA testing should be complete, the home has been released back to the owner, her body was found, how much more could there be that they are looking for? I'm just so baffled as to why the arrests should take so long and we, Joe Public, are hearing absolute diddly on progress towards said arrests. JMHO


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on December 17, 2010, 11:10:36 PM
Zahra Baker's investigation file delivered to DA

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/dec/17/zahra-bakers-investigation-file-delivered-da-ar-627244/


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Brandi on December 17, 2010, 11:58:12 PM
Zahra Baker's investigation file delivered to DA

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/dec/17/zahra-bakers-investigation-file-delivered-da-ar-627244/

Hickory --

Progress is being made in the Zahra Baker case.

Hickory police investigators have worked steadily since 10-year-old Zahra was reported missing on Oct. 9, and they delivered their findings to the District Attorney’s Office Thursday.

“Yesterday, we turned over a preliminary case file to the District Attorney’s Office for him to start reviewing and consider what course of action he wants to take concerning who he wants to charge and what charges he wants to pursue,” said Chief Tom Adkins of the Hickory Police Department.

Though Adkins did not provide details of his investigators’ findings, he did say their investigation is ongoing and additional information will be turned over to the District Attorney’s office as it is uncovered.

Adkins would not say whether his investigators had received any lab results back from the SBI lab or the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner.

Zahra’s stepmother has been in the Catawba County jail since Oct. 10 when she was arrested on several outstanding warrants unrelated to Zahra’s disappearance. She was also charged with obstruction of justice two days later when she admitted to police that she’d written a ransom note demanding $1 million that was found Oct. 9 at the Bakers’ house at 21 21st Avenue NW in Hickory.

Elisa Baker was scheduled to be in a Newton courtroom Friday on four charges of worthless checks.

She did not appear in court and her case was continued until April 22.

Her next court date is scheduled for Jan. 27 in Lenoir on more than a dozen charges.

Her charges include fictitious tag, driving while license revoked, operating a vehicle with no insurance, unsafe tires, fraudulent disposal of rental property, failure to return rental property, four counts of communicating threats and six counts of worthless checks.

Zahra’s father, Adam Baker, cooperated with investigators throughout the early weeks of the investigation into his daughter’s death and dismemberment.

On Oct. 25, he was arrested on outstanding warrants for bad check charges and bonded out of jail two days later.

He, too, is scheduled to appear in a Lenoir courtroom Jan. 27, on charges of failure to return rental property, two counts of communicating threats, assault with a deadly weapon and four counts of worthless checks. He’s scheduled to be back in a Newton courtroom Jan. 21 on four worthless check charges.

These days Adam Baker is keeping a low profile.

“We have not requested any further information from him within the last month,” Adkins said.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Monkey King on December 18, 2010, 05:32:05 AM
Sounds possible they are building a case against AB, he's out of the loop. EB on the other hand seems to be the one making deals.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: 4myjoey on December 18, 2010, 10:05:55 AM
Zahra Baker investigation file delivered to DA
By Richard Gould
Published: December 18, 2010

Hickory --

Progress is being made in the Zahra Baker case.

Hickory police investigators have worked steadily since 10-year-old Zahra was reported missing on Oct. 9, and they delivered their findings to the District Attorney’s Office Thursday.

“Yesterday, we turned over a preliminary case file to the District Attorney’s Office for him to start reviewing and consider what course of action he wants to take concerning who he wants to charge and what charges he wants to pursue,” said Chief Tom Adkins of the Hickory Police Department.

Though Adkins did not provide details of his investigators’ findings, he did say their investigation is ongoing and additional information will be turned over to the District Attorney’s office as it is uncovered.

Adkins would not say whether his investigators had received any lab results back from the SBI lab or the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner.

Zahra’s stepmother has been in the Catawba County jail since Oct. 10 when she was arrested on several outstanding warrants unrelated to Zahra’s disappearance. She was also charged with obstruction of justice two days later when she admitted to police that she’d written a ransom note demanding $1 million that was found Oct. 9 at the Bakers’ house at 21 21st Avenue NW in Hickory.

Elisa Baker was scheduled to be in a Newton courtroom Friday on four charges of worthless checks.

She did not appear in court and her case was continued until April 22.

Her next court date is scheduled for Jan. 27 in Lenoir on more than a dozen charges.

Her charges include fictitious tag, driving while license revoked, operating a vehicle with no insurance, unsafe tires, fraudulent disposal of rental property, failure to return rental property, four counts of communicating threats and six counts of worthless checks.

Zahra’s father, Adam Baker, cooperated with investigators throughout the early weeks of the investigation into his daughter’s death and dismemberment.




“We have not requested any further information from him within the last month,” Adkins said.


Edit to add corrected link per 4myjoey, MB.   http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/dec/18/zahra-bakers-investigation-file-delivered-da-ar-627244/


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: 4myjoey on December 18, 2010, 10:28:44 AM
Oops here's the correct link:

Edit to add correct link.  MB
  http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/dec/18/zahra-bakers-investigation-file-delivered-da-ar-627244/


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: 4myjoey on December 18, 2010, 10:31:42 AM

Oops here's the correct link:


http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/dec/18/zahra-bakers-investigation-file-delivered-da-ar-627244/


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Curly on December 18, 2010, 11:43:34 AM
Yeah, I caught that, too. Yesterday...uhm...WHAT?
What took so long?
And~ they haven't interviewed Adam in the past month.
OMG.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on December 18, 2010, 12:56:20 PM
Yeah, I caught that, too. Yesterday...uhm...WHAT?
What took so long?
And~ they haven't interviewed Adam in the past month.
OMG.

It seems pretty clear to me that and Adam should be charged at least with child abuse or neglect. It is worrisome to me that as far as I know, Adam hasn't been seen in quite a while. I know the LE took his passport, but come on, we all know it is pretty easy to get new ID and documents. I hope the authorities are sitting on him hard. He has been slippery before, and may not be as dumb as he looks.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on December 18, 2010, 02:32:37 PM
 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on December 19, 2010, 11:52:32 AM
I also think there is more going on than just EB and AB.
More persons with child porn. Anyone who would do what they did to Zahra, who was so well connected on the Internet and imvu, and so crazy, anything is possible. I do not know anything, although my helper told me she read on Topix, like that is the gospel truth, eh ?
that there was child porn, not Zahra on the home computer of EB.
Just putting it out there, been thinking about it for some time.
...
Maybe that is what is in those search warrants that they don't want released, yet. Names of the others.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Wildingheart on December 20, 2010, 06:01:45 AM
I don't often post unless I have something fairly newsworthy to share, mostly because you all do such a fantastic job, but I thought this might be relevant.

I probably shouldn't even post this because it is so depressing but here goes.

Last night I saw on the local news channel where they were talking about everything (so far) being presented to the DA and it's going before a grand jury (in fact, I believe the news was a re-run from several days ago as they seem to do that on weekends) and the newscaster said since there is no way to tell how Zahra died and a few other things, and that it was going to be very difficult to prosecute anyone for her death.

I don't know if that was the newscaster's opinion or something she was repeating from word of mouth, LE, or what, but it really made me sad to hear it. I really hope it was just her opinion.

I have a sinking feeling (now) that this will end up like the Haleigh Cummings' case and they will just have to go with what they already have on EB and AB. And maybe what they did to her after death and neglect, etc.




Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: melisb on December 20, 2010, 09:08:40 AM
Thanks Wild!  I so hope that it is the reporters opinion but doesn't look that way!  We shall see and I hope they nail em both to the wall!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: starwynn on December 20, 2010, 11:17:52 AM
I don't often post unless I have something fairly newsworthy to share, mostly because you all do such a fantastic job, but I thought this might be relevant.

I probably shouldn't even post this because it is so depressing but here goes.

Last night I saw on the local news channel where they were talking about everything (so far) being presented to the DA and it's going before a grand jury (in fact, I believe the news was a re-run from several days ago as they seem to do that on weekends) and the newscaster said since there is no way to tell how Zahra died and a few other things, and that it was going to be very difficult to prosecute anyone for her death.

I don't know if that was the newscaster's opinion or something she was repeating from word of mouth, LE, or what, but it really made me sad to hear it. I really hope it was just her opinion.

I have a sinking feeling (now) that this will end up like the Haleigh Cummings' case and they will just have to go with what they already have on EB and AB. And maybe what they did to her after death and neglect, etc.

I've had that terrible feeling, too.  Based on what is just given out to the public information-wise, realistically we have to be prepared for that possibility.  AB and EB can't be convicted on "but it's obvious".... UNfortunately!   ::MonkeyMad::  There has to be a manner of death, otherwise it's just corpse tampering and covering THAT up.  If they can't determine a cause of death, and if she was buried long enough that's possible, then they can't pin it on them.

That being said, it's still possible (and I hope it's likely) that the LE has a bunch of information they were fine-tuning all this time to make certain that they can and will charge the guilty parties with Zahra's death, and all the other horrors that accompanied it.  In the mean time I pray, hope, beg God, and cross my fingers (anything to "tug the fabric of the universe" as my friend says) that we will find out who did this, and that there will be enough evidence to prosecute, and that they will be held accountable fully with a life or death sentence with no possibility of parole.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: pfaubush on December 20, 2010, 11:49:11 AM
I don't often post unless I have something fairly newsworthy to share, mostly because you all do such a fantastic job, but I thought this might be relevant.

I probably shouldn't even post this because it is so depressing but here goes.

Last night I saw on the local news channel where they were talking about everything (so far) being presented to the DA and it's going before a grand jury (in fact, I believe the news was a re-run from several days ago as they seem to do that on weekends) and the newscaster said since there is no way to tell how Zahra died and a few other things, and that it was going to be very difficult to prosecute anyone for her death.

I don't know if that was the newscaster's opinion or something she was repeating from word of mouth, LE, or what, but it really made me sad to hear it. I really hope it was just her opinion.

I have a sinking feeling (now) that this will end up like the Haleigh Cummings' case and they will just have to go with what they already have on EB and AB. And maybe what they did to her after death and neglect, etc.

I've had that terrible feeling, too.  Based on what is just given out to the public information-wise, realistically we have to be prepared for that possibility.  AB and EB can't be convicted on "but it's obvious".... UNfortunately!   ::MonkeyMad::  There has to be a manner of death, otherwise it's just corpse tampering and covering THAT up.  If they can't determine a cause of death, and if she was buried long enough that's possible, then they can't pin it on them.

That being said, it's still possible (and I hope it's likely) that the LE has a bunch of information they were fine-tuning all this time to make certain that they can and will charge the guilty parties with Zahra's death, and all the other horrors that accompanied it.  In the mean time I pray, hope, beg God, and cross my fingers (anything to "tug the fabric of the universe" as my friend says) that we will find out who did this, and that there will be enough evidence to prosecute, and that they will be held accountable fully with a life or death sentence with no possibility of parole.

So, how is it that the state can prosecute without a body, but not if they can't determine cause of death on a corpse? Could someone explain this to me? I would still think that this can go beyond resonable doubt if they dismembered. The only hang up I can think of is who did it. Since EB knows all these details, wouldn't it go to show that she was there and played a major role. This boggles my mind and I'm not understanding the difference in these scenarios.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: 4 Donks on December 20, 2010, 01:09:12 PM
I don't often post unless I have something fairly newsworthy to share, mostly because you all do such a fantastic job, but I thought this might be relevant.

I probably shouldn't even post this because it is so depressing but here goes.

Last night I saw on the local news channel where they were talking about everything (so far) being presented to the DA and it's going before a grand jury (in fact, I believe the news was a re-run from several days ago as they seem to do that on weekends) and the newscaster said since there is no way to tell how Zahra died and a few other things, and that it was going to be very difficult to prosecute anyone for her death.

I don't know if that was the newscaster's opinion or something she was repeating from word of mouth, LE, or what, but it really made me sad to hear it. I really hope it was just her opinion.

I have a sinking feeling (now) that this will end up like the Haleigh Cummings' case and they will just have to go with what they already have on EB and AB. And maybe what they did to her after death and neglect, etc.

I've had that terrible feeling, too.  Based on what is just given out to the public information-wise, realistically we have to be prepared for that possibility.  AB and EB can't be convicted on "but it's obvious".... UNfortunately!   ::MonkeyMad::  There has to be a manner of death, otherwise it's just corpse tampering and covering THAT up.  If they can't determine a cause of death, and if she was buried long enough that's possible, then they can't pin it on them.

That being said, it's still possible (and I hope it's likely) that the LE has a bunch of information they were fine-tuning all this time to make certain that they can and will charge the guilty parties with Zahra's death, and all the other horrors that accompanied it.  In the mean time I pray, hope, beg God, and cross my fingers (anything to "tug the fabric of the universe" as my friend says) that we will find out who did this, and that there will be enough evidence to prosecute, and that they will be held accountable fully with a life or death sentence with no possibility of parole.

So, how is it that the state can prosecute without a body, but not if they can't determine cause of death on a corpse? Could someone explain this to me? I would still think that this can go beyond resonable doubt if they dismembered. The only hang up I can think of is who did it. Since EB knows all these details, wouldn't it go to show that she was there and played a major role. This boggles my mind and I'm not understanding the difference in these scenarios.
Natalie and Chase Deblase had been buried since March and June and I don't believe they have determined a cause of death but dad has been charged with 2 counts of murder and abuse of a corpse so it can be done. IMO


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Curly on December 20, 2010, 03:51:20 PM
Chit. My mind can't even go there that these 2 monsters could possibly get away with this.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Wildingheart on December 20, 2010, 04:56:05 PM
They mentioned several things besides lacking the cause of death, like no exact time and several other things.

I really hope it isn't true. And it wasn't on national news, just this little rag of a local station that can't even get the weather right. So who knows..

I've seen many cases that were stalled..then all of a sudden resumed like gangbusters and LE ended up having all kinds of evidence. I've also seen cases that just went away..like Haleigh's did.

I live just close enough to hear it on local news. I've never lived even in the general area. And I've seen all sorts of justice here as well as injustice. But I've also seen that basically everywhere.

And I realize that no one crime committed against any one child is worse that one committed against another one. But it seems to me that Zahra is different because of all she had to endure in her life, health, and then in death. I've followed crimes against children a long time and know from reading here that many of you have too. And I've never seen anything like this.

Someone needs to pay. And if they didn't already know and have proof of who abused and neglected her, or know who just stood by and let it happen, I could kind of understand why nobody has been arrested.

It's Christmastime and Zahra is in a better place. But someone should at least be in jail for something at least pertaining to her neglect.

OT I'd like to say that I love SM. I've never seen such compassion for children as I've found here. I've also never seen such beautiful graphics. I've sat here and cried before, especially over the graphics that include Zahra.

To think that complete strangers spent all that time and effort trying to place her in happy, peaceful scenarios that she never had a chance to experienced in life, is completely overwhelming and speaks much to the character of the members here.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: starwynn on December 20, 2010, 08:49:12 PM
They mentioned several things besides lacking the cause of death, like no exact time and several other things.

I really hope it isn't true. And it wasn't on national news, just this little rag of a local station that can't even get the weather right. So who knows..

I've seen many cases that were stalled..then all of a sudden resumed like gangbusters and LE ended up having all kinds of evidence. I've also seen cases that just went away..like Haleigh's did.

I live just close enough to hear it on local news. I've never lived even in the general area. And I've seen all sorts of justice here as well as injustice. But I've also seen that basically everywhere.

And I realize that no one crime committed against any one child is worse that one committed against another one. But it seems to me that Zahra is different because of all she had to endure in her life, health, and then in death. I've followed crimes against children a long time and know from reading here that many of you have too. And I've never seen anything like this.

Someone needs to pay. And if they didn't already know and have proof of who abused and neglected her, or know who just stood by and let it happen, I could kind of understand why nobody has been arrested.

It's Christmastime and Zahra is in a better place. But someone should at least be in jail for something at least pertaining to her neglect.

OT I'd like to say that I love SM. I've never seen such compassion for children as I've found here. I've also never seen such beautiful graphics. I've sat here and cried before, especially over the graphics that include Zahra.

To think that complete strangers spent all that time and effort trying to place her in happy, peaceful scenarios that she never had a chance to experienced in life, is completely overwhelming and speaks much to the character of the members here.


It was also my understanding that in some cases they will pull the "no cause of death" card and no prosecute for murder.  I don't know how they do it, particularly when you have a situation like this, but IIRC I had heard that very scenario mentioned by legal beagles.  I really pray that they can find a way to prove that these two had something to do with it, especially since the whole rape allegation seemed to take the murder-attention off of AB and EB.  (Maybe that was its purpose?)

By the way, I totally agree with the <3 for SM.  My boyfriend makes fun of me (kindly) about how much time I spend here.  I have spent so much time reading about a few of the cases here, reading on my own, and feeling quite helpless/hopeless about mankind.  It really does give me relief to think that there really are good, caring people out there who are as outraged at these cases of these missing kids/adults like I am.  There is hope, so much hope!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: bananas on December 21, 2010, 12:30:10 AM
I cannot tolerate the thought that they will get away with this monstrous act.  I can only hope charges are coming down the pipeline.  I have to agree... if they can charge people with murder without a body...surely they can charge them with murder when they tell them how they cut them up and buried them..... Good Lord!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: starwynn on December 21, 2010, 11:04:05 AM
I don't often post unless I have something fairly newsworthy to share, mostly because you all do such a fantastic job, but I thought this might be relevant.

I probably shouldn't even post this because it is so depressing but here goes.

Last night I saw on the local news channel where they were talking about everything (so far) being presented to the DA and it's going before a grand jury (in fact, I believe the news was a re-run from several days ago as they seem to do that on weekends) and the newscaster said since there is no way to tell how Zahra died and a few other things, and that it was going to be very difficult to prosecute anyone for her death.

I don't know if that was the newscaster's opinion or something she was repeating from word of mouth, LE, or what, but it really made me sad to hear it. I really hope it was just her opinion.

I have a sinking feeling (now) that this will end up like the Haleigh Cummings' case and they will just have to go with what they already have on EB and AB. And maybe what they did to her after death and neglect, etc.

I've had that terrible feeling, too.  Based on what is just given out to the public information-wise, realistically we have to be prepared for that possibility.  AB and EB can't be convicted on "but it's obvious".... UNfortunately!   ::MonkeyMad::  There has to be a manner of death, otherwise it's just corpse tampering and covering THAT up.  If they can't determine a cause of death, and if she was buried long enough that's possible, then they can't pin it on them.

That being said, it's still possible (and I hope it's likely) that the LE has a bunch of information they were fine-tuning all this time to make certain that they can and will charge the guilty parties with Zahra's death, and all the other horrors that accompanied it.  In the mean time I pray, hope, beg God, and cross my fingers (anything to "tug the fabric of the universe" as my friend says) that we will find out who did this, and that there will be enough evidence to prosecute, and that they will be held accountable fully with a life or death sentence with no possibility of parole.

So, how is it that the state can prosecute without a body, but not if they can't determine cause of death on a corpse? Could someone explain this to me? I would still think that this can go beyond resonable doubt if they dismembered. The only hang up I can think of is who did it. Since EB knows all these details, wouldn't it go to show that she was there and played a major role. This boggles my mind and I'm not understanding the difference in these scenarios.
Natalie and Chase Deblase had been buried since March and June and I don't believe they have determined a cause of death but dad has been charged with 2 counts of murder and abuse of a corpse so it can be done. IMO

In that case, there was a person who specifically said "I believe dad killed the kids - they were nonresponsive".  He gets caught, makes some weak protest that she was responsible, but ultimately he did admit that he took the bodies and dumped them.  I think this might be the difference in this case.  Im sure it's possible to do it, but I'm just as sure, with two people neither of which are saying the other did it, both denying the murder, that it'll be harder to make it stick.  And I think that's why this is taking so darn long.  Unless there's some information the public doesn't know about, it's going to be harder to make a murder charge stick to these two monsters.  Note - I'm being very literal here.  I'm not saying it's IMpossible.  But you have to admit, particularly because it's been discussed by the legal community, that the "guarantee" of being able to charge either for murder just can't seem to be given yet.  Not with the information the public is given, anyway.

Maybe I'm just trying to protect myself by imagining the worst-case scenario?  What I mean is that if these two horrors get off for this with only a tampering/abuse and no murder charges, I am going to take it very very hard.  I tend to brace myself emptionally for situations like this, considering the worst and best case scenarios so I"m not blind-sided.  Unfortunately this case has been chock full of blind-sided, and "surely it can't get much worse" situations that DO indeed get much MUCH worse.  I'm just saying that it IS possible that these two could get away with this... God let's hope not.  But there is hope that "worst case scenarios" aren't the norm.  Possible, but not the average.  I just worry because in this case, to NOT have a murder charge.... to allow all this to happen to this little girl and have the weasels get away with it.... it would just kill me. :(


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on December 21, 2010, 11:37:38 AM


So, how is it that the state can prosecute without a body, but not if they can't determine cause of death on a corpse? Could someone explain this to me? I would still think that this can go beyond resonable doubt if they dismembered. The only hang up I can think of is who did it. Since EB knows all these details, wouldn't it go to show that she was there and played a major role. This boggles my mind and I'm not understanding the difference in these scenarios.
Natalie and Chase Deblase had been buried since March and June and I don't believe they have determined a cause of death but dad has been charged with 2 counts of murder and abuse of a corpse so it can be done. IMO

And let us not forget Casey....she is being tried in a DP case w/o COD.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Curly on December 21, 2010, 11:44:24 AM
Exactly, Nut.
Caylee's has a manner of death (homicide), but undetermined COD.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Wildingheart on December 21, 2010, 08:10:39 PM
I agree with everything that's been said. There's just that underlying fear (for me) that they will get away with the perfect murder and do time for something else.

I was thinking though, and happened to remember a case within the past few years where a woman was murdered by her husband (can't remember who, because there are so many) and it was announced one night on national news that the husband definitely was not a person of interest (because people were speculating that he was) and the next morning he was arrested for her murder.

I've been a victim of a violent crime where there was justice, but that didn't help me one little bit. It seemed lame and laughable (at the time) because I was in so much emotional pain and the only thing that could have helped was bringing back my deceased loved one. It made no sense to me at that time that just because someone was in prison it was counted as 'justice'. And I learned there really is no closure. That closure means dead.

But that was years ago and I've changed and hopefully grown a bit. But for me at least, I still feel there isn't real justice unless everyone remotely involved in the crime is punished, which never happens.





Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: starwynn on December 21, 2010, 09:25:14 PM
Exactly, Nut.
Caylee's has a manner of death (homicide), but undetermined COD.

Well at least I'm sure they can greatly guarantee that it was a death caused by those two in some way, and not a natural death!  So there is hope for true justice. 

It's really excruciating waiting for it, isn't it tho?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: starwynn on December 21, 2010, 09:31:25 PM
I agree with everything that's been said. There's just that underlying fear (for me) that they will get away with the perfect murder and do time for something else.

I was thinking though, and happened to remember a case within the past few years where a woman was murdered by her husband (can't remember who, because there are so many) and it was announced one night on national news that the husband definitely was not a person of interest (because people were speculating that he was) and the next morning he was arrested for her murder.

I've been a victim of a violent crime where there was justice, but that didn't help me one little bit. It seemed lame and laughable (at the time) because I was in so much emotional pain and the only thing that could have helped was bringing back my deceased loved one. It made no sense to me at that time that just because someone was in prison it was counted as 'justice'. And I learned there really is no closure. That closure means dead.

But that was years ago and I've changed and hopefully grown a bit. But for me at least, I still feel there isn't real justice unless everyone remotely involved in the crime is punished, which never happens.

I'm very sorry to hear about your past situations, and the lack of justice and possibly closure, and the pain that you went through.  /hugs  I think that sort of situation really does change the way you look at things.  I have a real issue with  justice not being served from my own life because of numerous burglaries and one mugging.  I don't see there being nearly enough justice done in the world - all the pedophiles that are running loose, people who murder and still get out and have a life outside jail, or have a life at all while their victim has none and the victim's family's is nearly destroyed.  I think that's why I'm just so intent on seeing real justice done.  Of course that, and like others my heart fell for the smiling girl from Australia.  I had so hoped we would see her smile, but on live feed, when she was found and saved.   Every time I read about those two freaks coasting by with such irrelevant charges so far, it makes my blood boil.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Monkey King on December 21, 2010, 11:51:35 PM
I'n still holding out for all the tests results and GJ determination. Ahra's had enough negativity in her short life. In her death she needs support. Yes, LE/justice has let us down in the past, but occassionally they come through. Let's hope this is the case they come through. Personally, I think-if they could find an impartial jury, they're going down for the dismembering. No-one's going to want someone who could do that to their own child in their neighborhood! (What would they do to a stranger's child??)


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on December 22, 2010, 12:00:22 AM
Regardless of any lack of evidence, or not having the exact COD,
I do not see the LE letting this case go for the sake of their reps
and the community.

The entire world EXPECTS and will demand justice for Zahra. Her death and abuse of her corpse were too horrendous not to
follow through to to completion of justice with this one.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: starwynn on December 22, 2010, 10:55:54 AM
Regardless of any lack of evidence, or not having the exact COD,
I do not see the LE letting this case go for the sake of their reps
and the community.

The entire world EXPECTS and will demand justice for Zahra. Her death and abuse of her corpse were too horrendous not to
follow through to to completion of justice with this one.


Yep, we're all watching.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Curly on December 22, 2010, 11:43:30 AM
Exactly, Nut.
Caylee's has a manner of death (homicide), but undetermined COD.

Well at least I'm sure they can greatly guarantee that it was a death caused by those two in some way, and not a natural death!  So there is hope for true justice. 

It's really excruciating waiting for it, isn't it tho?

Totally excruciating.
I hope AB hasn't snuck away.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: 4 Donks on December 22, 2010, 11:51:14 AM
Does anyone know if Ma Baker is still here protecting her evil spawn ?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: 4myjoey on December 22, 2010, 07:53:02 PM
Charges in Zahra Baker case on hold until after the New Year


HICKORY, NC (WBTV) – Despite giving a preliminary investigation report on the Zahra Baker case to the District Attorney last week, Hickory Police officials do not expect any decision on possible charges to come quickly.

On Tuesday, Dec. 21, Hickory Police Chief Tom Adkins would not go into details, but would only say, "the investigation is not over."

Due to the approaching holidays, many of the principals that would be involved in any decision on possible charges would not be able to get together until after the first of the year.

The Catawba County Grand Jury meets on January 3rd and sources tell WBTV News that it would be difficult to have a presentation ready by that session.

In the past, District Attorney James C. Gaither has said there would be "No rush to judgment in this case, that officials would wait until all the evidence is in before deciding what to do next."

Police sources confirmed on Tuesday that not all of the lab results on evidence are back yet.

More at the link.



http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13726990


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Sister on December 23, 2010, 07:07:04 AM
I'n still holding out for all the tests results and GJ determination. Ahra's had enough negativity in her short life. In her death she needs support. Yes, LE/justice has let us down in the past, but occassionally they come through. Let's hope this is the case they come through. Personally, I think-if they could find an impartial jury, they're going down for the dismembering. No-one's going to want someone who could do that to their own child in their neighborhood! (What would they do to a stranger's child??)
MonkeyKing, I totally agree.  The ole "I didn't think you (LE) would believe she just got sick and died or we chopped (sorry) her up" story is just not going to fly!  Honestly, if I have to drive to the court house . . . which is a half day away from me . . . I will start a protest!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Sister on December 23, 2010, 07:10:46 AM


Please light a candle and say a prayer for Zahra,may she rest in peace.
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Zahra



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on December 23, 2010, 03:56:26 PM


Please light a candle and say a prayer for Zahra,may she rest in peace.
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Zahra



There are four pages of candles for Zahra. This case isn't going to be shoved under the rug.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Terri on December 23, 2010, 10:29:43 PM
I so agree with wildingheart.  What consitutes justice?  I too had someone in my life associated with a henious crime however he was the perp.  When he was finally "brought to justice" 25 years later, the victim had lived every day hearing his voice, remembering the last seconds of her husband's life.  And the perp?  Never a regret, never a bad memory.

That is what gets me the most....for some people, they can commit an act and think nothing of it...I pray that is not true in this case.  Justice would be for the two of them to be driven mad remembering minute details of their act.  When I was a young mother, I had parked my car and was rolling up the windows.   My five year old had put his head out the window and was too scared to tell me I was rolling the window up on him.....that was twenty five years ago and it still comes to my mind and hurts beyond words.  And he was not even hurt. 

In the past, I thougth everyone felt guilt and remorse, had horrendous memories..but now I know there are people who can commit crimes and never look back.  My heart breaks for this world and fears for my family as a result.

MOO


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on December 24, 2010, 02:30:11 AM
And, Zahra, if u have some "pull" up there,
please tell our creator that he needs to
speak to the hearts of these evil people in our world,
and suggest they change their ways.

Urge them to think before they act,
and spare other innocents from the wrath of the wicked and evil !



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Sister on December 24, 2010, 04:01:58 PM
And, Zahra, if u have some "pull" up there,
please tell our creator that he needs to
speak to the hearts of these evil people in our world,
and suggest they change their ways.

Urge them to think before they act,
and spare other innocents from the wrath of the wicked and evil !


Amen and Amen.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: sassifrass on December 24, 2010, 09:52:15 PM
It's Christmas Eve and I DO believe in miracles. I believe God will give justice for Zahra and every child that has gone through the same, horrible life that these sweet children have gone through.

Legal justice is satisfying, but God's wrath is more powerful. Whether in life or death, Zahra's death will be given the justice that she so deserves.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Curly on December 24, 2010, 10:07:21 PM
And, Zahra, if u have some "pull" up there,
please tell our creator that he needs to
speak to the hearts of these evil people in our world,
and suggest they change their ways.

Urge them to think before they act,
and spare other innocents from the wrath of the wicked and evil !



Or just strike them all dead.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: sassifrass on December 24, 2010, 10:16:54 PM
And, Zahra, if u have some "pull" up there,
please tell our creator that he needs to
speak to the hearts of these evil people in our world,
and suggest they change their ways.

Urge them to think before they act,
and spare other innocents from the wrath of the wicked and evil !





Or just strike them all dead.

Curly: I wuv you!  :smt058  You say exactly what my alter ego would say! You crack me up!  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on December 25, 2010, 08:46:29 PM
Merry Christmas and God bless you Zahra


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Sister on December 25, 2010, 10:54:52 PM
Merry Christmas and God bless you Zahra
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/WEATHER/furby-halo2-1.gif)


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on December 25, 2010, 11:18:01 PM
And, Zahra, if u have some "pull" up there,
please tell our creator that he needs to
speak to the hearts of these evil people in our world,
and suggest they change their ways.

Urge them to think before they act,
and spare other innocents from the wrath of the wicked and evil !



Or just strike them all dead.
................
Well I popped in here after a long day , feeling all holy, etc. Eating a blueberry thing from the Christmas baking.
Curly, some Christmas baking just came out of Grammi's nose. ! ! ! !
This is a classic, one of the best.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: starwynn on December 26, 2010, 06:35:20 PM
And, Zahra, if u have some "pull" up there,
please tell our creator that he needs to
speak to the hearts of these evil people in our world,
and suggest they change their ways.

Urge them to think before they act,
and spare other innocents from the wrath of the wicked and evil !



Or just strike them all dead.

Ohhh, I <3 you for this.  Thank you.  I have been pretty blue about all the kids (and some adults) that are not with their true loved ones for Christmas (not step-monsters and faux-fathers), but something about you just cutting to the chase with this tickled my jaded heart.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on December 26, 2010, 07:04:21 PM
And, Zahra, if u have some "pull" up there,
please tell our creator that he needs to
speak to the hearts of these evil people in our world,
and suggest they change their ways.

Urge them to think before they act,
and spare other innocents from the wrath of the wicked and evil !



Or just strike them all dead.

Ohhh, I <3 you for this.  Thank you.  I have been pretty blue about all the kids (and some adults) that are not with their true loved ones for Christmas (not step-monsters and faux-fathers), but something about you just cutting to the chase with this tickled my jaded heart.
Fr. spoke of our current, immorality in the world, the murdered children, etc. The entire breakdown of our family in society, today. I thought of Z, Caylee, Kyron, and Haleigh. That is too many children in such a short period of time.

IF u are familiar with the book of Revelations, and end times, it could be soon.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Shell on December 27, 2010, 03:32:14 AM


How do you pronounce Zahra?

Za Ha Ra
or Zah Ra
???
 <<<insert blushing monkey


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on December 27, 2010, 07:26:34 AM
When I look at her name or say it to myself, I say Za Ha Ra....but when I hear her name on TV it seems it is pronounced Zah Ra.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Desdemona on December 27, 2010, 07:45:19 PM
Here's the lady who named her....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CWxiqzGgNM

(Her mummy.)


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on December 28, 2010, 01:43:48 AM


How do you pronounce Zahra?

Za Ha Ra
or Zah Ra
???
 <<<insert blushing monkey


Hi Shell!  ::MonkeyDance::

On the news, the commentators pronounced it as "Zah - Ra". The emphasis mark should be on the first syllable, but there were only 2 syllables in her name.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on December 28, 2010, 08:04:51 PM
Anything new on Z ?
I looked and had no luck.

New Year is just around the corner. I hpe the New
Year brings a nice, cold,
hard cell for AB and anyone else
who might be involved. ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: statru on December 30, 2010, 01:31:10 AM
http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/dec/29/year-review-world-mourns-girl-declared-missing-dea-ar-653514/


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Monkey King on December 30, 2010, 10:25:39 PM
Nothing, not a damn thing! How sad!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on December 30, 2010, 11:04:15 PM
This is article is a week old, but may help explain the lack of information right now:

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13726990
Charges in Zahra Baker case on hold until after the New Year
December 22, 2010
HICKORY, NC (WBTV) – Despite giving a preliminary investigation report on the Zahra Baker case to the District Attorney last week, Hickory Police officials do not expect any decision on possible charges to come quickly.

On Tuesday, Dec. 21, Hickory Police Chief Tom Adkins would not go into details, but would only say, "the investigation is not over."

Due to the approaching holidays, many of the principals that would be involved in any decision on possible charges would not be able to get together until after the first of the year.


The Catawba County Grand Jury meets on January 3rd and sources tell WBTV News that it would be difficult to have a presentation ready by that session.

In the past, District Attorney James C. Gaither has said there would be "No rush to judgment in this case, that officials would wait until all the evidence is in before deciding what to do next."

Police sources confirmed on Tuesday that not all of the lab results on evidence are back yet.

In Caldwell County, near the places where remains of Zahra Baker were found, memorials continue to grow.

New flowers could be seen on Tuesday as well as more letters, signs and stuffed animals.

Along Christie Road where Zahra's prosthetic leg was found along with a bone, a logging crew is now cutting trees and clearing a hillside.  The project was planned before the search for Zahra's remains began and was put on hold, say officials, until police gave the okay.

At a nearby convenience store, Heather Williams said she hoped there would be a resolution soon, but also thinks police need to be careful.

"I hope they cross their T's and dot their I's and charges are filed," Williams said. 

Others said they just hope justice is served in Zahra's case and that they are still thinking of the little girl.



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on December 31, 2010, 07:05:48 AM
http://www.thehinkymeter.com
Zahra Baker case: Hickory Daily Record constructs timeline
Posted on December 30, 2010 by Valhall


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on December 31, 2010, 10:57:18 AM
I knew Zahra's murder case would languish during the holidays. But this has already drug out way too long for Adam still to be out and about. This bas*ard HAD to have guilty knowledge. You can't live in a tiny little house with the cruelty to Zahra being hidden. At the least, I would think Zahra would have gone to her father over her wicked stepmother's treatment of her. Obviously he did nothing or was part of the cruelty.

 Adam acts like he's dumb as a box of rocks, but I think he is cunning. It galls me no end that he is living in his apartment while Zahra didn't live long enough to see another Christmas. Why someone hasn't done him in by this time is a mystery to me.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Monkey King on December 31, 2010, 11:12:07 AM
I hear ya, Fannie.

I hope the people on that GJ have an easy time with the responsibilty given them. I pray Zahra's remains were enough to tell her story and point the finger at the guilty party.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on December 31, 2010, 11:44:15 AM


Please light a candle and say a prayer for Zahra,may she rest in peace.
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Zahra



There are four pages of candles for Zahra. This case isn't going to be shoved under the rug.   ::MonkeyAngel::

Not now, Fanny, not now.  There are only 13 candles.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: cw618 on December 31, 2010, 09:03:27 PM
Quote
Adam acts like he's dumb as a box of rocks, but I think he is cunning. It galls me no end that he is living in his apartment while Zahra didn't live long enough to see another Christmas. Why someone hasn't done him in by this time is a mystery to me.

AB is to high profile, but you never know, maybe tonite he will have one to many and get
arrested,hit by a bus,runin with a drunkin Ahole looking for some kinda of revenge
the possibilities are endless this new years eve


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on January 01, 2011, 01:21:07 AM
I knew Zahra's murder case would languish during the holidays. But this has already drug out way too long for Adam still to be out and about. This bas*ard HAD to have guilty knowledge. You can't live in a tiny little house with the cruelty to Zahra being hidden. At the least, I would think Zahra would have gone to her father over her wicked stepmother's treatment of her. Obviously he did nothing or was part of the cruelty.

 Adam acts like he's dumb as a box of rocks, but I think he is cunning. It galls me no end that he is living in his apartment while Zahra didn't live long enough to see another Christmas. Why someone hasn't done him in by this time is a mystery to me.

My thoughts exactly !
Bright minds think alike ! ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: melisb on January 01, 2011, 09:54:03 AM
I know LE has a job to and it has to be precise and from what I've seen they are doing a superb job in this case but what bothers the shtit out of me is that rat backstard got to spend Christmas and New Year's FREE!!!  Zahra didn't.  I think they should have locked him up just as they did EvilE on all those economic crimes.  Sorry, I'm mad for all children.  I just came from little Jonathon's thread.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 01, 2011, 03:30:22 PM
I know LE has a job to and it has to be precise and from what I've seen they are doing a superb job in this case but what bothers the shtit out of me is that rat backstard got to spend Christmas and New Year's FREE!!!  Zahra didn't.  I think they should have locked him up just as they did EvilE on all those economic crimes.  Sorry, I'm mad for all children.  I just came from little Jonathon's thread.

Yes, it is heartbreaking, isn't it?  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: statru on January 01, 2011, 07:38:13 PM
http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Hickory-man-wants-to-build-park-for-Zahra-Baker-112755614.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: 4 Donks on January 02, 2011, 10:17:30 AM
http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Hickory-man-wants-to-build-park-for-Zahra-Baker-112755614.html
Statru thank you for the link. This is wonderful news and a great idea. I have bookmarked the site and when they are able to accept donations  I will gladly donate.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Sister on January 02, 2011, 11:17:26 AM
http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Hickory-man-wants-to-build-park-for-Zahra-Baker-112755614.html
Statru thank you for the link. This is wonderful news and a great idea. I have bookmarked the site and when they are able to accept donations  I will gladly donate.
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/WEATHER/furby-halo2-1.gif)



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 03, 2011, 10:25:57 AM
Elisa Baker's attorneys seek bond reduction


CATAWBA COUNTY, N.C. -- Zahra Baker's stepmother is scheduled to appear in Catawba County court Monday, seeking to reduce her bond.

Elisa Baker is facing several charges, including charges of obstruction of justice for allegedly writing a fake ransom note that was found when 10-year-old Zahra was reported missing.

Baker also faces charges of writing bad checks.

Baker's attorneys planned to ask a judge to reduce her bond during a hearing Monday.

Zahra Baker was reported missing Oct. 9, 2010. Her remains were found a month later in two separate rural locations in Caldwell County.

No one has been charged in connection with her death. Both Elisa Baker and Zahra's father, Adam Baker, have denied any wrongdoing in the case.

NewsChannel 36 reporter Rad Berky will attend Monday's hearing. He'll have live reports, beginning at 4 p.m.

http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Elisa-Bakers-attorneys-seek-bond-reduction-112798734.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 03, 2011, 10:26:48 AM
Local Man Wants to Build Park For Zahra Baker

HICKORY, N.C.--A Hickory man has hopes to dedicate a park in honor of Zahra Baker and help the community heal.  The park would be for disabled kids.  The Facebook group "Let's Build A Park In Zahra's Memory" has more than 300 members. 

Zahra's remains were found last October.  So far no one has been charged in her death.  Baker's stepmother Elisa Baker will be in court Monday on obstruction of justice charges.  Baker admitted to writing a fake ransom note.

http://www.foxcharlotte.com/news/nc-news/Local-Man-Wants-to-Build-Park-For-Zahra-Baker-112785049.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 03, 2011, 10:29:06 AM
In court for Elisa Baker hearing at 10
about 1 hour ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®

http://twitter.com/RadBerkywcnc


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 03, 2011, 11:00:42 AM
Tonight @ 5pm. New charges could come today against Elisa Baker, Zahra's step-mother. One possible charge is related to her marriage.

http://twitter.com/scottwickersham


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 03, 2011, 11:09:45 AM
RadBerkywcnc    Baker case continued til tomorrow.
2 minutes ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®


http://twitter.com/RadBerkywcnc


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 03, 2011, 11:11:00 AM
Wonder why the case was held off till tomorrow?  All I hope is that there is justice for Zahra and the right people all get charged and locked up.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 03, 2011, 11:12:26 AM
I think today is the day that the other warrants are going in front of the judge as well to hear if they get unsealed.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 03, 2011, 11:20:59 AM
Grand Jury meets today as well.  Maybe that is why the case was continued till tomorrow. 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 03, 2011, 11:26:32 AM
Elisa Baker to appear in court for obstruction of justice charge  (with video)

CATAWBA COUNTY, N.C. — Zahra Baker's stepmother, Elisa Baker, is due in court Monday. She is scheduled to be in criminal superior court for an obstruction of justice charge.

It involves a ransom letter she told police she wrote. It was found outside the home where Zahra lived with her father and stepmother in Hickory.

The murdered 10-year-old girl disappeared in October.

http://coastal.news14.com/content/headlines/634830/elisa-baker-to-appear-in-court-for-obstruction-of-justice-charge


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on January 03, 2011, 12:13:30 PM
I think until she is charged that they will keep piling on the other charges unrelated to Zahra.
I hope that he GJ would charge today, but I think with the festive season, persons in the prosecutors departments were off work. I am thinking of the Caylee case where it took weeks and months to get all the evidence results back. In this case, I know she is going down, but I want him to go down also. In my mind there is no way that all of this happened without him assisting. And my suspicions also are that there are others involved in child porn ( not Zahra ) that will be charged.   


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 03, 2011, 12:38:13 PM
Elisa Baker court appearance continued to Tuesday

CATAWBA COUNTY, N.C. – A court appearance for Zahra Baker's stepmother has been continued until Tuesday.

Elisa Baker is scheduled to appear in Catawba County court, seeking to reduce her bond.

Baker is facing several charges, including charges of obstruction of justice for allegedly writing a fake ransom note that was found when 10-year-old Zahra was reported missing. She also faces charges of writing bad checks.

Zahra Baker was reported missing Oct. 9, 2010. Her remains were found a month later in two separate rural locations in Caldwell County.

No one has been charged in connection with her death. Both Elisa Baker and Zahra's father, Adam Baker, have denied any wrongdoing in the case.
 

http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Elisa-Bakers-attorneys-seek-bond-reduction-112798734.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: SuzieQ on January 03, 2011, 01:27:38 PM
Thanks Northern Rose. Come on Grand Jury, hurry up.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on January 03, 2011, 06:54:46 PM
Yes,thank you Northern Rose.   ::MonkeyAngel::


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Post by: Northern Rose on January 03, 2011, 07:44:28 PM
New Developments Expected In Zahra Baker Investigation  (with video)

HICKORY, N.C. -- New developments are expected this week in the Zahra Baker investigation.

A grand jury met briefly Monday afternoon to discuss possible new charges against Elisa Baker, Zahra's stepmother. The grand jury will meet again Tuesday, which is also when Elisa Baker is scheduled to be arraigned on an obstruction of justice charge and have a bond reduction hearing.

Police charged Elisa Baker with obstruction of justice after they said she admitted to writing a fake ransom note on Oct. 9, the same day that her 10-year-old stepdaughter was reported missing from their Hickory home.

Zahra Baker’s prosthetic leg and one of her bones were found weeks later along Christie Road in Caldwell County. On Nov. 10, her remains were found in the Dudley Shoals area of Caldwell County. No one has been charged in Zahra’s death, and police haven’t said how she died.

Many community members continue to hope for some type of resolution in the case, which captured global attention.

“I don't think they ever could make a horror movie that compares to this,” Jake Icenhour said.

“We just hope justice is done for this little girl,” his wife, Priscilla Icenhour, said. “She is so loved by everybody. (She) seems like a sweet child.”

Ray Johnson, who lived next to Elisa Baker, said he thinks police have had enough time to organize a case.

“I know the law wants (to do) everything they can get to make sure their Ts are crossed and Is are dotted before they go to court, but it doesn't take a blind man to see through stuff like this,” he said.

But others think police shouldn’t rush to make an arrest.

“(They should) take their time. Get all their ducks in a row to make it stick,” Jake Icenhour said.

Channel 9 has also learned that a judge could look at whether to unseal more search warrants in the case as early as Wednesday

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/26355784/detail.html


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Post by: Curly on January 03, 2011, 07:56:48 PM
Seems like the GJ is all about this witch.
What about her warlock husband, still walking around freely?


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Post by: Sister on January 03, 2011, 08:23:23 PM
Seems like the GJ is all about this witch.
What about her warlock husband, still walking around freely?
Curly, I know it's hard to be patient, but I truly believe Zahra will have justice.  Hang in there friend, it will come.


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Post by: Curly on January 03, 2011, 08:57:57 PM
Seems like the GJ is all about this witch.
What about her warlock husband, still walking around freely?
Curly, I know it's hard to be patient, but I truly believe Zahra will have justice.  Hang in there friend, it will come.

Hope you're right, sister.


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Post by: Wyks on January 03, 2011, 09:39:21 PM

As many of you, I am frustrated with how slowwwwwww this case is going.  Can only hope and pray that all the lil ducks are being carefully lined up.  Heh. 



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Post by: Brandi on January 03, 2011, 10:48:02 PM

As many of you, I am frustrated with how slowwwwwww this case is going.  Can only hope and pray that all the lil ducks are being carefully lined up.  Heh. 



One can only hope ...

Good to see you Wyks!


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Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2011, 01:48:24 AM
Elisa Baker to appear in court Tuesday; Man wants park to honor Zahra  (with video)

HICKORY, NC (WBTV) - Flowers still mark the property where the first remains on Zahra Baker were discovered during a search last year.

The ten-year-old, who was reported missing by her father and stepmother in October, was dismembered and remains have been found in two locations in Caldwell County.

Along Christie Road, where a bone and Zahra's prosthetic leg were found, the property owner has a sign up to remember Zahra and folks have been placing flowers and toys at the base of it for months.

Now Jake Icenhour says he plans to put a concrete pad at the site so the memorial can be permanent.

"It's our land, we live here and we're gonna do it."  Jake and his wife Priscilla visited the site Monday afternoon and said the whole community still wants justice in the case.

The investigation has been ongoing for months and no one has been charged in the girl's death but Priscilla said that was all right with her. "We want them to take their time and get everything right," she said.

Meanwhile, Elisa Baker, the girl's stepmother who was charged in October with Obstruction of Justice, is scheduled to have an arraignment in court on an indictment on Obstruction of justice and is also expected to have a bond reduction hearing on Tuesday.

The State will argue that the bond not be reduced.  With all the charges she is facing including unrelated cases of worthless checks and others, her bond is close to $90,000.

She has been in the Catawba County Detention Center since she was arrested in October.

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13774355


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Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2011, 01:50:00 AM
New charges possible against Zahra Baker's stepmom

Hickory, N.C. — A grand jury met Monday to discuss possible new charges against the stepmother of Zahra Baker, a 10-year-old disabled girl whose dismembered remains were discovered in Caldwell County Nov. 12.

Her stepmother, Elisa Baker, has already been charged with obstruction of justice after investigators said she admitted to writing a fake ransom note to throw them off course Oct. 9, the same day she and Zahra's father, Adam Baker, reported the girl missing.

The grand jury will continue their discussion Tuesday.

Zahra needed a prosthetic leg and hearing aids after a battle with cancer. Her prosthetic leg and one of her bones was found along Christie Road in Caldwell County in early November. About a week later, remains matching Zahra's DNA profile were found in the Dudley Shoals area of Caldwell County.

An investigator with the Hickory Police Department wrote in a search warrant that Elisa Baker's lawyer told him Zahra had been dismembered, and that she and her husband dumped a mattress and box springs at a trash dump in Granite Falls and wrapped Zahra's prosthetic leg in a white trash bag and threw it into an apartment dumpster in Hickory.

The warrants note that Elisa Baker showed "deception" in a polygraph test when asked if she knew of any harm that came to Zahra. 

Adam Baker has adamantly denied any involvement in his daughter's death. Warrants contained information about two men, acquaintances of Elisa Baker, who a source said may have raped and killed the girl.

Investigators have not released how Zahra was killed.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/8874366/


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Post by: Lake Erie Princess on January 04, 2011, 02:06:24 AM
 ::MonkeyCheer4:: Thnx 4 the new posts with info on this case.
It is appreciated and I am encouraged more so, now !


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Post by: melisb on January 04, 2011, 02:36:41 AM

As many of you, I am frustrated with how slowwwwwww this case is going.  Can only hope and pray that all the lil ducks are being carefully lined up.  Heh. 


Wyks my dear where oh where have you been!  Glad to see you and I know you are well missed by lots of us Monkeys!!!!  Hope to see you more.  Hope the holidays were pleasant.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Wyks on January 04, 2011, 02:57:27 AM

As many of you, I am frustrated with how slowwwwwww this case is going.  Can only hope and pray that all the lil ducks are being carefully lined up.  Heh. 



One can only hope ...

Good to see you Wyks!

Thanks Brandi!  Good to see you too!   ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Wyks on January 04, 2011, 03:07:30 AM

As many of you, I am frustrated with how slowwwwwww this case is going.  Can only hope and pray that all the lil ducks are being carefully lined up.  Heh. 


Wyks my dear where oh where have you been!  Glad to see you and I know you are well missed by lots of us Monkeys!!!!  Hope to see you more.  Hope the holidays were pleasant.

Awww.. thanks melisb!   ::MonkeyAngel::

My computer had a temporary breakdown, ugh.  Turns out I just needed a new ethernet card, go figure.  Got it, and am back online, first place I headed to was here, of course!  Misssed y'all!   ::dogwag::




Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: SuzieQ on January 04, 2011, 11:04:41 AM
Just saw on twitter that Elisa's hearing scheduled for today has been postponed until March. WTH


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Post by: SuzieQ on January 04, 2011, 11:06:31 AM
http://twitter.com/#!/RadBerkywcnc


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Post by: SuzieQ on January 04, 2011, 11:08:56 AM
You will have to copy and paste the whole twitter address. If you click on the link, it takes you to my twitter page.


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Post by: Fanny Mae on January 04, 2011, 11:18:42 AM
Just saw on twitter that Elisa's hearing scheduled for today has been postponed until March. WTH

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Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Brandi on January 04, 2011, 02:14:28 PM
Grand jury reviews Elisa Baker's case; Judge could release more warrants
Submitted by WBTVWebStaff on Tuesday, January 4th, 1:21 pm

NEWTON, NC (WBTV & AP) - A grand jury met Monday to discuss possible new charges against the stepmother of Zahra Baker, a 10-year-old whose dismembered remains were found last fall in Caldwell County, according to WRAL.

WBTV has learned a judge is expected to sign an order on Tuesday that would unseal 29 warrants connected to the Zahra Baker case.

The stepmother, Elisa Baker, was supposed to appear in court Tuesday morning for an arraignment on the obstruction of justice charge, as well as a request to have her bond of nearly $100,000 reduced.

Baker, however, did not appear in court Tuesday morning.  Instead, the judge postponed the case until March 7, but there was no reason given for the delay.

Authorities charged Elisa Baker with obstruction of justice after they say she wrote a fake ransom note about another girl on the same day in which Elisa Baker and Zahra's father, Adam Baker, called police to report Zahra's disappearance. 

In addition to the obstruction of justice charge, Elisa Baker is also facing unrelated charges for writing worthless checks.  She remains in the custody of the Catawba County Detention Center.

No one has been charged in the death of Zahra Baker who used a prosthetic leg and hearing aids after surviving cancer.

Flowers still mark the property where Zahra's remains were discovered during a search last year.

The girl's body was dismembered and remains have been found in two locations in Caldwell County.

Along Christie Road, where a bone and Zahra's prosthetic leg were found, the property owner has a sign up to remember Zahra, and people have been placing flowers and toys at the base of it for months.

Jake Icenhour now says he plans to put a concrete marker at the site so the memorial can be permanent.

"It's our land, we live here and we're gonna do it," Icenhour said.

He and his wife, Priscilla, say the whole community just wants justice in the case.

The investigation has been ongoing for months and no one has been charged in the girl's death, but Priscilla said that was alright with her.

"We want them to take their time and get everything right," she said.

http://hickory.wbtv.com/content/grand-jury-reviews-elisa-bakers-case-judge-could-release-more-warrants


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Tolerance on January 04, 2011, 02:19:22 PM

As many of you, I am frustrated with how slowwwwwww this case is going.  Can only hope and pray that all the lil ducks are being carefully lined up.  Heh. 



THERE YOU ARE!!!!
I join you in that prayer.
Hugs, Wyks!
Tol


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Tolerance on January 04, 2011, 02:20:44 PM
Just saw on twitter that Elisa's hearing scheduled for today has been postponed until March. WTH

(http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/th06SmileyFuriousComputer.gif)

You expressed my thoughts perfectly, Fannie Mae


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Tolerance on January 04, 2011, 02:23:08 PM
Don't you wonder what Adam is doing with himself these days?
He must be out of $$.
Is his momma still here?  Is she supporting him?  I never got the impression they were a wealthy bunch.
 
Justice, please hurry!

Zahra, you will never be forgotten.

Tol


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Post by: Lake Erie Princess on January 04, 2011, 02:23:46 PM
Just saw on twitter that Elisa's hearing scheduled for today has been postponed until March. WTH

(http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/th06SmileyFuriousComputer.gif)

Be patient my little monkeys !
I feel many, huge  charges on the horizon for her.

Gothmonstermommy is going to be slammed. I feel it, and I know it. ::MonkeyDance::


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Post by: Brandi on January 04, 2011, 02:38:36 PM
Just saw on twitter that Elisa's hearing scheduled for today has been postponed until March. WTH

(http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/th06SmileyFuriousComputer.gif)

Be patient my little monkeys !
I feel many, huge  charges on the horizon for her.

Gothmonstermommy is going to be slammed. I feel it, and I know it. ::MonkeyDance::

The hearing that was postponed until March is her bond reduction hearing. It's a good thing. She will remain in jail until March or longer.

Can't wait to find out what the GJ decides!

Bring on the charges!

 ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 04, 2011, 02:50:35 PM
The hearing may have been postponed because the Grand Jury is still meeting.


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Post by: SuzieQ on January 04, 2011, 03:22:22 PM
RadBerkywcnc RadBerky
29 search warrants set to be released this afternoon in Zahra Baker case. Waiting for judge to sign off on it.


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Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2011, 03:35:52 PM

Documents give new details in Zahra Baker case


Documents released in court this afternoon shed more light on the case of Zahra Baker, a 10-year-old cancer survivor from Australia who investigators believe was killed and dismembered in the Hickory area.

Search warrant documents from the three-month old investigation were released from the Catawba County courthouse. The new documents show:

*Zahra Baker was killed on Sept. 24 and her body was disposed of the next day, Zahra’s stepmother, Elisa, told investigators, according to the court documents.

*Elisa Baker accused Zahra’s father, Adam, of dismembering the girl's limbs, according to the documents, which say the couple then disposed of the girl’s body in several locations, including Christie Road in Hudson and Dudley Shoals Road in Granite Falls.

*Police used cell phone records to try to corroborate statements made by Elisa Baker. The records show that Adam Baker’s cell phone wasn’t at the locations where Elisa Baker says the couple disposed of Zahra’s body, according to the court documents. But the cell phone records show Elisa Baker was at the places she described, the court documents say.

Tuesday’s release was the second significant disclosure of search warrants in the Baker case.

Similar search warrant documents released in November show an unnamed source reported to police that the girl may have been raped by two men and that they may have physically assaulted her. At least one of the men was acquainted with Zahra’s stepmother, Elisa. But both men denied the allegations and police haven’t charged them.

The previous documents also outlined statements from Elisa Baker describing how Zahra’s body was dismembered, placed in trash bags, and discarded in dumpsters and rural locations in Caldwell. They also detailed how Elisa Baker accompanied police to various locations where Zahra’s body was discarded.

No one has been charged in connection with her death.

Zahra was hearing-impaired and walked with the help of a prosthesis after losing her left leg to cancer. Her father Adam reported missing on Oct 9.

In 911 calls, theBakers suggested that Zahra might have been kidnapped while her father and stepmother were dealing with an early-morning fire.

Firefighters discovered a ransom note in a car. It was addressed to Adam’s boss and landlord, Mark Coffey, and said the abductors had his daughter. Investigators discovered that wasn’t true.

A few hours later, Adam Baker called police and said Zahra was gone. Elisa Baker was arrested on Oct. 10 on unrelated charges, then charged with obstruction of justice on Oct. 12 after investigators say she admitted writing a bogus ransom note.

More than a month after the investigation began, police said they had credible evidence that Zahra was dead, and had unearthed remains of a child they believe was Zahra.

According to motion filed later to reduce bond, Elisa Baker told her attorneys on Oct. 22 that she had information about the disappearance and death of Zahra Baker.

The case has drawn worldwide attention. Television crews from Australia, where Zahra was born, traveled to Hickory, nestled at the foot of the N.C. mountains, to cover the story.

Zahra moved to North Carolina about two years ago with her father from Australia after he met his soon-to-be wife, Elisa, online.

Zahra’s friends and relatives in Australia described her as an outgoing, happy girl despite the cancer, and said she didn’t want to come to the U.S



http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/01/04/1955599/documents-give-new-details-in.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2011, 03:38:00 PM
Search Warrants: Stepmother Says Zahra Died Sept. 24

HICKORY, N.C. -- Elisa Baker, Zahra Baker’s stepmother, told police the 10-year-old died on Sept. 24 and was dismembered the following day by her father, according to search warrants released Tuesday.

Zahra Baker was reported missing on Oct. 9. Her father, Adam Baker, told Hickory police that he last saw her sleeping in her bedroom at about 2:30 a.m. (Click here to listen to the 911 call.) An Amber Alert was issued and a massive search for Zahra ensued.

• IMAGES: Photos Of Zahra Baker


The prosthetic leg that Zahra wore after losing hers to bone cancer was found along Christie Road in Caldwell County on Oct. 26. Her remains were found on Nov. 10 in the Dudley Shoals area of Caldwell County.

• MAP: Key Locations In Zahra's Disappearance


Elisa Baker told Hickory police on Nov. 19 that Adam Baker dismembered Zahra’s body on Sept. 25 and disposed of the body parts in various locations, including the Christie Road and Dudley Shoals areas, the warrants say.

Investigators reviewed Adam Baker’s cell phone records and the phone’s GPS locator from Sept. 25, the warrants say. According to those records, Adam Baker was not in the areas where Zahra’s remains were found on the day that Elisa Baker said he was, the warrants say.

Elisa Baker’s cell phone records indicate that she was in those areas on that day, the warrants say.

Twenty-nine search warrants totaling more than 200 pages were unsealed on Tuesday afternoon. Eyewitness News reporter Dave Faherty is going through those warrants now. Check back to wsoctv.com for updates on this developing story.


http://www.wsoctv.com/news/26366558/detail.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2011, 03:39:43 PM
Update: Elisa Baker's Court Appearance Postponed


Hickory, NC -- The stepmother of a Hickory girl found dismembered in Caldwell County was scheduled to appear in court Tuesday, but the judge postponed the hearing..

Elisa Baker was charged in October with Obstruction of Justice and remains in Catawba County Detention Center with a $90,000 bond. Police said the charge stems from a fake ransom note discovered the day Zahra Baker was reported missing. Zahra, 10, used a prosthetic leg and hearing aids after surviving cancer.

A judge delayed Elisa Baker's hearing until March 7. There was no immediate explanation for the delay.

Tuesday's arraignment hearing was expected to include an indictment on the Obstruction of Justice charge and a possible bond reduction. Elisa Baker's attorneys argue she deserves a bond reduction for leading authorities to Zahra's remains. The State will argue the bond not be reduced, according to WBTV.

WRAL-TV reports a grand jury met Monday to discuss possible new charges against Elisa Baker. They will continue their discussion Tuesday.

Hickory Police gave the case to prosecutors in December. No one has been charged in Zahra's death.

Zahra's father, Adam Baker, denies any involvement in his daughter's death.

http://www.digtriad.com/news/most_popular/article.aspx?storyid=154280&provider=top


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Post by: trimmonthelake on January 04, 2011, 03:48:04 PM
Thanks for the updates   ::HelloKitty::


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Post by: Fanny Mae on January 04, 2011, 04:06:06 PM
Thanks NORTHERN for the updates. I think we all felt Zahra was gone long before she was reported missing. Refresh my memory. When was she reported seen at the furniture store?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 04, 2011, 04:10:31 PM
Zahra's SOB father HAD to know she was at least missing. It was fifteen days before he reported her gone. He HAD to know! How is he still walking the street?? He looks dumb as a box of rocks, but deep inside, I know he is not. He either participated in her murder or covered it up. My opinion is both!  ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Tolerance on January 04, 2011, 04:11:16 PM
Thank you!


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Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2011, 04:13:17 PM
Warrants in Zahra Baker case reveal sordid details

NEWTON, N.C. (AP) - Police investigating the death of 10-year-old Zahra Baker have looked into reports that her father and stepmother talked in an online community about "chainsaw massacre" roleplaying games.

The latest detail was 1 of many in 200 pages of newly released search warrants obtained by The Associated Press Tuesday.

A user of the Instant Messaging Virtual Universe website told police that people with accounts belonging to Adam Baker, Elisa Baker and others talked about such a game roughly two weeks before Zahra was reported missing.

Calls to lawyers representing the Bakers were not immediately returned Tuesday.

No one has been charged in Zahra's death. Police have said her body was dismembered, but not how she died.

http://www.wect.com/Global/story.asp?S=13782276


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2011, 04:14:31 PM
Jennifer Moxley

District Attorney Jay Gaither agrees to unseal 29 search warrants in Zahra Baker case.. but keeps one critical to the investigation sealed. The paperwork is being processed and the 29 warrants are expected to be released this afternoon. 24 minutes ago


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Brandi on January 04, 2011, 04:15:47 PM
Unsealed search warrants offer new possibilities in Zahara Baker's death

HICKORY - Elisa Baker, Zahra Baker’s stepmother, told police the 10-year-old died on Sept. 24 and was dismembered the following day by her father, according to search warrants released Tuesday.

Zahra Baker was reported missing on Oct. 9. Her father, Adam Baker, told Hickory police that he last saw her sleeping in her bedroom at about 2:30 a.m. An Amber Alert was issued and a massive search for Zahra ensued.

The prosthetic leg that Zahra wore after losing hers to bone cancer was found along Christie Road in Caldwell County on Oct. 26. Her remains were found on Nov. 10 in the Dudley Shoals area of Caldwell County.

Elisa Baker told Hickory police on Nov. 19 that Adam Baker dismembered Zahra’s body on Sept. 25 and disposed of the body parts in various locations, including the Christie Road and Dudley Shoals areas, the warrants say.

Investigators reviewed Adam Baker’s cell phone records and the phone’s GPS locator from Sept. 25, the warrants say. According to those records, Adam Baker was not in the areas where Zahra’s remains were found on the day that Elisa Baker said he was, the warrants say.

Elisa Baker’s cell phone records indicate that she was in those areas on that day, the warrants say.

Elisa Baker has been in jail over the course of the investigation. She was charged with obstruction of justice after police said she admitted to writing a fake ransom note on the day that Zahra was reported missing.

No one has been charged in Zahra's death.

Twenty-nine search warrants totaling more than 200 pages were unsealed on Tuesday afternoon.

http://www.gastongazette.com/news/baker-53984-unsealed-hickory.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2011, 04:17:45 PM
<snipped>


Search warrant documents from the three-month old investigation were released from the Catawba County courthouse. The new documents show:

*Zahra Baker died on Sept. 24 and her body was disposed of the next day, Zahra’s stepmother, Elisa, told investigators, according to the court documents.

*Elisa Baker accused Zahra’s father, Adam, of dismembering the girl's body, according to the documents, which say the couple then disposed of the body parts in several locations, including Christie Road in Hudson and Dudley Shoals Road in Granite Falls.

*Police used cell phone records to corroborate or refute statements made by Elisa Baker. The records show that Adam Baker’s cell phone wasn’t at the locations where Elisa Baker says the couple disposed of Zahra’s body. But the records show Elisa Baker's cell phone was at the places she described.

*The documents shed light on Elisa Baker's ongoing relationship with her ex-husband, Aaron Young, who is from the Hickory area. Elisa Baker was married to Adam Baker before she was divorced from Young, according to the documents. The records say Elisa Baker told Adam Baker that Aaron Young was her brother.

Investigators say Elisa Baker and Aaron Young have been in contact with each even though they were estranged, and officers were trying to get his telephone records.

"Obtaining Aaron Young's telephone records or telephone number … will likely provide information substantially related to this homicide investigation," according to the court documents.

*Department of Social Service agencies conducted numerous investigations into abuse allegations by Elisa Baker going back as far as 1999, according to the documents. Investigators were seeking DSS records from eight counties around Hickory regarding Elisa Baker and her biological children.

*In July 2010, a report was made with the Caldwell County DSS and then transferred to the Catawba County DSS because allegations were made that Elisa Baker had been physically abusing Zahra Baker, the court documents say. According the allegations, Zahra had a black eye. Tuesday’s release was the second significant disclosure of search warrants in the Baker case.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/01/04/1955599/documents-give-new-details-in.html#ixzz1A6OLJ47O


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Brandi on January 04, 2011, 04:18:52 PM
Warrants in Zahra Baker case reveal sordid details
by MITCH WEISS / Associated Press

NEWTON, N.C. -- Police investigating the death of 10-year-old Zahra Baker have looked into reports that her father and stepmother talked in an online community about "chainsaw massacre" roleplaying games.

The latest detail was one of many in 200 pages of newly released search warrants released Tuesday.

A user of the Instant Messaging Virtual Universe website told police that people with accounts belonging to Adam Baker, Elisa Baker and others talked about such a game roughly two weeks before Zahra was reported missing.

Calls to lawyers representing the Bakers were not immediately returned Tuesday.

No one has been charged in Zahra's death. Police have said her body was dismembered, but not how she died.

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/26366558/detail.html

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2011, 04:20:19 PM
Warrants in Zahra Baker Case Reveal Sordid Details


NEWTON, NC --
Police investigating the death of 10-year-old Zahra Baker have looked into reports that her father and stepmother talked in an online community about "chainsaw massacre" roleplaying games.

The latest detail was one of many in 200 pages of newly released search warrants obtained by The Associated Press Tuesday.

A user of the Instant Messaging Virtual Universe website told police that people with accounts belonging to Adam Baker, Elisa Baker and others talked about such a game roughly two weeks before

Zahra was reported missing.

Calls to lawyers representing the Bakers were not immediately returned Tuesday.

No one has been charged in Zahra's death.

Police have said her body was dismembered, but not how she died

http://www2.wspa.com/news/2011/jan/04/warrants-zahra-baker-case-reveal-sordid-details-ar-1300533/


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Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2011, 04:24:15 PM
Judge unseals all warrants in Baker case
DSS probes in three counties

NEWTON --
A judge on Tuesday released 30 warrants related to the Zahra Baker murder investigation.

Judge Robert Ervin ordered the 207 pages of documents unsealed. Warrants unsealed today requested medical information regarding Elisa Baker, who is jailed on a charge of obstruction of justice.

Warrants also requested data on GPS information from Elisa and Adam Baker's cell phones for the day Elisa claimed her husband disposed of Zahra's body parts.

Zahra Baker, 10, was reported missing Oct. 9 by her parents. DNA tests on remains have confirmed the girl's death.

This story will be updated today as more information becomes available.

http://www2.independenttribune.com/news/2011/jan/04/judge-unseals-all-warrants-baker-case-ar-666013/


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2011, 04:25:31 PM
WNCT-TV more details are still emerging in the zahra baker case, including reports that her father and stepmother talked about "chainsaw massacre" roleplaying games in an online community.

http://www.facebook.com/wnct9


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Brandi on January 04, 2011, 04:26:22 PM
Thanks NORTHERN for the updates. I think we all felt Zahra was gone long before she was reported missing. Refresh my memory. When was she reported seen at the furniture store?

She was last reportedly seen at the furniture store 2 weeks before she was reported missing.

Reported missing on Oct. 9. Two weeks before that = Sept. 25.

http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Zahra-spotted-at-furniture-store-weeks-before-her-disappearance-105082544.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 04, 2011, 04:34:13 PM
Thanks NORTHERN for the updates. I think we all felt Zahra was gone long before she was reported missing. Refresh my memory. When was she reported seen at the furniture store?

She was last reportedly seen at the furniture store 2 weeks before she was reported missing.

Reported missing on Oct. 9. Two weeks before that = Sept. 25.

http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Zahra-spotted-at-furniture-store-weeks-before-her-disappearance-105082544.html

That's what I thought. Zarhra was reportedly seen a day after she was supposed to be murdered.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 04, 2011, 04:36:39 PM
Warrants in Zahra Baker case reveal sordid details

NEWTON, N.C. (AP) - Police investigating the death of 10-year-old Zahra Baker have looked into reports that her father and stepmother talked in an online community about "chainsaw massacre" roleplaying games.

The latest detail was 1 of many in 200 pages of newly released search warrants obtained by The Associated Press Tuesday.

A user of the Instant Messaging Virtual Universe website told police that people with accounts belonging to Adam Baker, Elisa Baker and others talked about such a game roughly two weeks before Zahra was reported missing.

Calls to lawyers representing the Bakers were not immediately returned Tuesday.

No one has been charged in Zahra's death. Police have said her body was dismembered, but not how she died.

http://www.wect.com/Global/story.asp?S=13782276

He wasn't gone from the house all the time in the weeks following her murder. He was there to play hideous "games" on the computer but not to protect his own daughter.  I am sputtering!  ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 04, 2011, 04:38:11 PM
Search Warrants: Stepmother Says Zahra Died Sept. 24

HICKORY, N.C. -- Elisa Baker, Zahra Baker’s stepmother, told police the 10-year-old died on Sept. 24 and was dismembered the following day by her father, according to search warrants released Tuesday.

Zahra Baker was reported missing on Oct. 9. Her father, Adam Baker, told Hickory police that he last saw her sleeping in her bedroom at about 2:30 a.m. (Click here to listen to the 911 call.) An Amber Alert was issued and a massive search for Zahra ensued.

• IMAGES: Photos Of Zahra Baker


The prosthetic leg that Zahra wore after losing hers to bone cancer was found along Christie Road in Caldwell County on Oct. 26. Her remains were found on Nov. 10 in the Dudley Shoals area of Caldwell County.

• MAP: Key Locations In Zahra's Disappearance


Elisa Baker told Hickory police on Nov. 19 that Adam Baker dismembered Zahra’s body on Sept. 25 and disposed of the body parts in various locations, including the Christie Road and Dudley Shoals areas, the warrants say.

Investigators reviewed Adam Baker’s cell phone records and the phone’s GPS locator from Sept. 25, the warrants say. According to those records, Adam Baker was not in the areas where Zahra’s remains were found on the day that Elisa Baker said he was, the warrants say.

Elisa Baker’s cell phone records indicate that she was in those areas on that day, the warrants say.

Twenty-nine search warrants totaling more than 200 pages were unsealed on Tuesday afternoon. Eyewitness News reporter Dave Faherty is going through those warrants now. Check back to wsoctv.com for updates on this developing story.


http://www.wsoctv.com/news/26366558/detail.html

Maybe Adam didn't have the phone with him when he disposed of Zahra's body.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Curly on January 04, 2011, 04:51:17 PM
Zahra's SOB father HAD to know she was at least missing. It was fifteen days before he reported her gone. He HAD to know! How is he still walking the street?? He looks dumb as a box of rocks, but deep inside, I know he is not. He either participated in her murder or covered it up. My opinion is both!  ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::

What's he going to claim? That EB had put pillows in the bed to make it look like Zahra was sleeping?
How could she possible have carried this out herself?  Maybe he just left his cell phone at home when they went to disperse her remains.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 04, 2011, 04:53:00 PM
Zahra's SOB father HAD to know she was at least missing. It was fifteen days before he reported her gone. He HAD to know! How is he still walking the street?? He looks dumb as a box of rocks, but deep inside, I know he is not. He either participated in her murder or covered it up. My opinion is both!  ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::

What's he going to claim? That EB had put pillows in the bed to make it look like Zahra was sleeping?
How could she possible have carried this out herself?  Maybe he just left his cell phone at home when they went to disperse her remains.


How can you not see you own child for 15 days, and you live in the same tiny house. I'm not buying a bit of it.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Curly on January 04, 2011, 04:56:38 PM
I'm not buying it, either.

You'd think they'd have already gotten hold of Aaron Young's cell phone records and GPS'd his phone.
Makes you wonder if these folks in charge know what they're doing.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 04, 2011, 05:01:29 PM
This has got to be the most despicable, horrible, unbelievable murder of a child. Jonathan's is a close second.   ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 04, 2011, 05:02:52 PM
This has got to be the most despicable, horrible, unbelievable murder of a child. Jonathan's is a close second.   ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::

I should say ALL murders are truly awful, and heartbreaking. These two are just exceptionally so.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: sassifrass on January 04, 2011, 05:30:35 PM

As many of you, I am frustrated with how slowwwwwww this case is going.  Can only hope and pray that all the lil ducks are being carefully lined up.  Heh. 



Wyks!  ::MonkeyAngel::  ::MonkeyKiss:: I've missed you so much and have thought of you often.

There is no way she did this by herself. You would have to be blind.

I've been peeking in every day to see the progress, praying that I see some news that Adam has been arrested. I firmly believe that justice will be served.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Tolerance on January 04, 2011, 06:06:02 PM
Zahra's SOB father HAD to know she was at least missing. It was fifteen days before he reported her gone. He HAD to know! How is he still walking the street?? He looks dumb as a box of rocks, but deep inside, I know he is not. He either participated in her murder or covered it up. My opinion is both!  ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::

What's he going to claim? That EB had put pillows in the bed to make it look like Zahra was sleeping?
How could she possible have carried this out herself?  Maybe he just left his cell phone at home when they went to disperse her remains.


How can you not see you own child for 15 days, and you live in the same tiny house. I'm not buying a bit of it.

To say nothing of the blood (etc.) evidence in that tiny house.
I call BS  ...  complete BS


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 04, 2011, 06:26:53 PM
Zahra's SOB father HAD to know she was at least missing. It was fifteen days before he reported her gone. He HAD to know! How is he still walking the street?? He looks dumb as a box of rocks, but deep inside, I know he is not. He either participated in her murder or covered it up. My opinion is both!  ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::

What's he going to claim? That EB had put pillows in the bed to make it look like Zahra was sleeping?
How could she possible have carried this out herself?  Maybe he just left his cell phone at home when they went to disperse her remains.


How can you not see you own child for 15 days, and you live in the same tiny house. I'm not buying a bit of it.

To say nothing of the blood (etc.) evidence in that tiny house.
I call BS  ...  complete BS

Why would he have thought the bathroom tiles were painted black, or the paint touched up in the kitchen? I have never been clear if the walls in Zahra's room were touched up with lighter colored paint in spots, or if that was the original wall treatment. If there was blood on her floor, it stands to reason there could be some on the walls too.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2011, 06:44:35 PM
Search warrants

PDF: Search Warrants In Zahra Case, Part 1
http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2011/0104/26368797.pdf

PDF: Search Warrants In Zahra Case, Part 2
http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2011/0104/26368823.pdf

PDF: Search Warrants In Zahra Case, Part 3
http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2011/0104/26368824.pdf

PDF: Search Warrants In Zahra Case, Part 4
http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2011/0104/26368827.pdf

PDF: Search Warrants In Zahra Case, Part 5
http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2011/0104/26368831.pdf

PDF: Search Warrants In Zahra Case, Part 6
http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2011/0104/26368858.pdf


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Curly on January 04, 2011, 06:51:06 PM
Search warrants

PDF: Search Warrants In Zahra Case, Part 1
http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2011/0104/26368797.pdf

PDF: Search Warrants In Zahra Case, Part 2
http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2011/0104/26368823.pdf

PDF: Search Warrants In Zahra Case, Part 3
http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2011/0104/26368824.pdf

PDF: Search Warrants In Zahra Case, Part 4
http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2011/0104/26368827.pdf

PDF: Search Warrants In Zahra Case, Part 5
http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2011/0104/26368831.pdf

PDF: Search Warrants In Zahra Case, Part 6
http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2011/0104/26368858.pdf

Thanks. I'm a little scared to look at them.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Cappuccino on January 04, 2011, 07:03:37 PM
JVM talking about documents coming out showing Elisa claiming AB mutilated his own daughter...newsflash they BOTH brutalized this child with no mercy, period.   It should be legal to take them out limb by limb. 

This is one horrific case no matter what your life experience is.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2011, 07:14:30 PM
one of the search warrrants is for the IMVU accounts of
Elisa Annette Baker,
Adam Baker,
Aaron Jesse Young,
Kava Fullman and
IMVU user SweerlilSpiteire69


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: bananas on January 04, 2011, 07:17:10 PM

As many of you, I am frustrated with how slowwwwwww this case is going.  Can only hope and pray that all the lil ducks are being carefully lined up.  Heh. 



I have been out of the loop for a couple of days now.  Catching up but hope this doesn't just keep getting put off and put off.  Zahra needs justice!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: bananas on January 04, 2011, 07:19:26 PM
Just saw on twitter that Elisa's hearing scheduled for today has been postponed until March. WTH

NO!  This is really unacceptable as far as I am concerned.  ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2011, 07:20:35 PM
For two people they sure have a lot of cell phones.  Seized from warrant
http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2011/0104/26368831.pdf

2 digital cameras
Motorola transfone
Alltell LG cellphone
Samsung To Mobile cell phone
Camcord use DVD
LG Verizon cell phone
Motorola Hip Top cell phone
LG cell phone
Motorola T-Mobile cell phone
Blackberry T-mobile cell phone


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2011, 07:23:17 PM
Here is the list from the warrant.



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2011, 07:25:54 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2011, 07:31:17 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on January 04, 2011, 07:38:34 PM
Lidocaine ???


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 04, 2011, 07:42:45 PM
For two people they sure have a lot of cell phones.  Seized from warrant
http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2011/0104/26368831.pdf

2 digital cameras
Motorola transfone
Alltell LG cellphone
Samsung To Mobile cell phone
Camcord use DVD
LG Verizon cell phone
Motorola Hip Top cell phone
LG cell phone
Motorola T-Mobile cell phone
Blackberry T-mobile cell phone

Usually when people have this many phones they are drug dealers.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on January 04, 2011, 07:46:17 PM
Lidocaine is often added to cocaine as a diluent.[14] Cocaine numbs the gums when applied, and since lidocaine causes stronger numbness,[15] users get the impression of high-quality cocaine when in actuality, the user is receiving a diluted product.[16]
from WikiP



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 04, 2011, 07:46:25 PM
Lidocaine ???

They would need a script for that.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Gizzie on January 04, 2011, 08:05:41 PM
Lidocaine is often added to cocaine as a diluent.[14] Cocaine numbs the gums when applied, and since lidocaine causes stronger numbness,[15] users get the impression of high-quality cocaine when in actuality, the user is receiving a diluted product.[16]
from WikiP



I was wondering if it was in cream form could it have been used for Zahra on her amputated leg, maybe for sores from the leg rubbing or something?

Is Lidocaine available like that, does anybody know?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Gizzie on January 04, 2011, 08:08:50 PM
Lidocaine is often added to cocaine as a diluent.[14] Cocaine numbs the gums when applied, and since lidocaine causes stronger numbness,[15] users get the impression of high-quality cocaine when in actuality, the user is receiving a diluted product.[16]
from WikiP



I was wondering if it was in cream form could it have been used for Zahra on her amputated leg, maybe for sores from the leg rubbing or something?

Is Lidocaine available like that, does anybody know?

Well I answered my own question. So now I wonder if it was for Zahra?

http://www.livestrong.com/article/24279-uses-lidocaine-cream/

Lidocaine Cream Articles

Lidocaine cream is a topical anesthetic. It is used to control pain on the skin by preventing nerves from sending signals of pain to the brain. Because of this, it is used in many dermatological procedures. It is also used in some cosmetic procedures that can cause pain on the skin. The effect of lidocaine cream remains on the surface of the skin, so it is not used for pain that is felt below the skin, such as muscle pain. It is important to wash hands after the application of lidocaine cream and to contact a physician if there are any adverse reactions.

Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/24279-uses-lidocaine-cream/#ixzz1A89ePSDa


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2011, 08:09:07 PM
 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on January 04, 2011, 08:11:07 PM
Peeps like those peeps just need the doctor to leave the room, write your own after you steal a few slips from the middle.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Gizzie on January 04, 2011, 08:11:53 PM
Appears that Lidocaine is also available over the counter.

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-lidocaine.htm


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Gizzie on January 04, 2011, 08:16:32 PM
Northern, Could you refresh my memory as to who "Sammy Young" is?   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2011, 08:17:46 PM
Search warrants provide grisly details in Zahra Baker's death

(CNN) -- The stepmother of 10-year-old Zahra Baker told police the girl was killed two weeks before she was reported missing, according to search warrants released Tuesday.

Stepmother Elisa Baker also told Hickory Police that the disabled girl's body was disposed of the next day, September 25, in various locations, according to the documents.

She told police on November 19 that the girl's father, Adam Baker, dismembered the girl, and the couple disposed of the remains.

While Elisa Baker has been charged with obstruction of justice -- for writing a fake ransom note and leaving it at the family's Hickory home -- no one has been charged directly in the girl's death. Elisa Baker also is accused of writing worthless checks.

Police have said she had been cooperating with investigators.

One of the search warrants details an online conversation a web user said she had with Adam and/or Elisa Baker "regarding their involvement with chainsaw massacre role-playing."

According to the warrant, "the date of September 22 was given regarding their virtual family 'doing a murder with chainsaws.'" Elisa Baker's former husband also was involved in role-playing, according to the conversation.
Catawba Superior Court Judge Robert C. Ervin released the 30 search warrants that provide more insight into the grisly killing of the freckled-face girl, who lost part of her left leg at age 5 to cancer. Eleven search warrants were released in December.

Police found some of Zahra Baker's remains on November 11, just over a month after she was reported her missing.

In October, Adam Baker, who denied he was involved in Zahra's disappearance, tearfully called for the return of his daughter.

Investigators reviewed Adam Baker's cell phone records and the phone's GPS locator from September 25, the warrants say. According to those records, Adam Baker's phone was not in the areas where Zahra's remains were found on the day that Elisa Baker said he disposed of them, the warrants say.

Elisa Baker's cell phone records indicate that her phone was in those areas on that day, the warrants say.

According to the warrants, Elisa Baker told Adam Baker that a man she said was her brother actually was her husband. She married Adam Baker before the divorce, police said.

CNN left messages Tuesday evening with the attorneys for Elisa and Adam Baker.

In one of the search warrants released in December, a tipster told police that Zahra had been at a North Carolina home with two men and one of the men said "he had done something very bad and needed to leave town."

One of the men was associated with Zahra's stepmother but was not Zahra's father, the tipster said.

The tipster also told police that Zahra had been raped by both men and that she had blood on her private area and legs, the search warrant said. The tipster told police that he got the information about the alleged rape from a friend who was told about it from his sister.

Police went to the home to see if they could confirm the fourth-hand information and found a mattress at the side of the house that "had a large dark stain in the middle," the search warrant said.

The tipster said the men did not admit to killing the girl but did say that they "might have hit her in the head," the search warrant said.

Adam Baker was arrested in late October in nearby Catawba County on eight charges: five counts of writing bad checks and three counts of failing to appear in court. Authorities said the charges were unrelated to Zahra's disappearance, and he was later released on bail.

The disappearance of Zahra made international news. The girl, whose biological parents were both from Australia, lost part of her left leg at age 5 and lost hearing in both ears while being treated for cancer.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/04/north.carolina.girl/


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2011, 08:19:08 PM
Northern, Could you refresh my memory as to who "Sammy Young" is?   ::MonkeyAngel::

Either Aaron Young's brother or cousin.  I have to check to be sure


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 04, 2011, 08:25:05 PM
http://media.charlotteobserver.com/static/images/pdf/zahra010411b.PDF


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: bananas on January 04, 2011, 08:25:26 PM
Search warrants

PDF: Search Warrants In Zahra Case, Part 1
http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2011/0104/26368797.pdf

PDF: Search Warrants In Zahra Case, Part 2
http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2011/0104/26368823.pdf

PDF: Search Warrants In Zahra Case, Part 3
http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2011/0104/26368824.pdf

PDF: Search Warrants In Zahra Case, Part 4
http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2011/0104/26368827.pdf

PDF: Search Warrants In Zahra Case, Part 5
http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2011/0104/26368831.pdf

PDF: Search Warrants In Zahra Case, Part 6
http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2011/0104/26368858.pdf

Thank you Northern Rose!  I have skimmed over all of these.  Are these all of them?  Or do you know?  The IMVU role playing is scary to me.  Why would you want to roleplay chainsaw massacre?  Poor Zahar was caught in the middle of these nitwits and evildoers.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: klaasend on January 04, 2011, 08:25:54 PM
Don't miss the Dana Pretzer show tonight at 9pm ET:


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/2011Jan/Pretzer010411.png)


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2011, 08:31:03 PM
Northern, Could you refresh my memory as to who "Sammy Young" is?   ::MonkeyAngel::

Either Aaron Young's brother or cousin.  I have to check to be sure
Lewis "James" Young is Aaron's brother

Timmy "Sammy" young is the cousin

I think


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2011, 08:31:52 PM
Search warrants

PDF: Search Warrants In Zahra Case, Part 1
http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2011/0104/26368797.pdf

PDF: Search Warrants In Zahra Case, Part 2
http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2011/0104/26368823.pdf

PDF: Search Warrants In Zahra Case, Part 3
http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2011/0104/26368824.pdf

PDF: Search Warrants In Zahra Case, Part 4
http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2011/0104/26368827.pdf

PDF: Search Warrants In Zahra Case, Part 5
http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2011/0104/26368831.pdf

PDF: Search Warrants In Zahra Case, Part 6
http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2011/0104/26368858.pdf

Thank you Northern Rose!  I have skimmed over all of these.  Are these all of them?  Or do you know?  The IMVU role playing is scary to me.  Why would you want to roleplay chainsaw massacre?  Poor Zahar was caught in the middle of these nitwits and evildoers.

There was supposed to have been 30 released today.  This is all I could find.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Gizzie on January 04, 2011, 08:32:06 PM
Search warrants provide grisly details in Zahra Baker's death

(CNN) -- The stepmother of 10-year-old Zahra Baker told police the girl was killed two weeks before she was reported missing, according to search warrants released Tuesday.

Stepmother Elisa Baker also told Hickory Police that the disabled girl's body was disposed of the next day, September 25, in various locations, according to the documents.

She told police on November 19 that the girl's father, Adam Baker, dismembered the girl, and the couple disposed of the remains.

While Elisa Baker has been charged with obstruction of justice -- for writing a fake ransom note and leaving it at the family's Hickory home -- no one has been charged directly in the girl's death. Elisa Baker also is accused of writing worthless checks.

Police have said she had been cooperating with investigators.

One of the search warrants details an online conversation a web user said she had with Adam and/or Elisa Baker "regarding their involvement with chainsaw massacre role-playing."

According to the warrant, "the date of September 22 was given regarding their virtual family 'doing a murder with chainsaws.'" Elisa Baker's former husband also was involved in role-playing, according to the conversation.
Catawba Superior Court Judge Robert C. Ervin released the 30 search warrants that provide more insight into the grisly killing of the freckled-face girl, who lost part of her left leg at age 5 to cancer. Eleven search warrants were released in December.

Police found some of Zahra Baker's remains on November 11, just over a month after she was reported her missing.

In October, Adam Baker, who denied he was involved in Zahra's disappearance, tearfully called for the return of his daughter.

Investigators reviewed Adam Baker's cell phone records and the phone's GPS locator from September 25, the warrants say. According to those records, Adam Baker's phone was not in the areas where Zahra's remains were found on the day that Elisa Baker said he disposed of them, the warrants say.

Elisa Baker's cell phone records indicate that her phone was in those areas on that day, the warrants say.

According to the warrants, Elisa Baker told Adam Baker that a man she said was her brother actually was her husband. She married Adam Baker before the divorce, police said.

CNN left messages Tuesday evening with the attorneys for Elisa and Adam Baker.

In one of the search warrants released in December, a tipster told police that Zahra had been at a North Carolina home with two men and one of the men said "he had done something very bad and needed to leave town."

One of the men was associated with Zahra's stepmother but was not Zahra's father, the tipster said.

The tipster also told police that Zahra had been raped by both men and that she had blood on her private area and legs, the search warrant said. The tipster told police that he got the information about the alleged rape from a friend who was told about it from his sister.

Police went to the home to see if they could confirm the fourth-hand information and found a mattress at the side of the house that "had a large dark stain in the middle," the search warrant said.

The tipster said the men did not admit to killing the girl but did say that they "might have hit her in the head," the search warrant said.

Adam Baker was arrested in late October in nearby Catawba County on eight charges: five counts of writing bad checks and three counts of failing to appear in court. Authorities said the charges were unrelated to Zahra's disappearance, and he was later released on bail.

The disappearance of Zahra made international news. The girl, whose biological parents were both from Australia, lost part of her left leg at age 5 and lost hearing in both ears while being treated for cancer.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/04/north.carolina.girl/

 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on January 04, 2011, 08:32:10 PM
AY ( Railbugfreak ) has been quite on all fronts recently. I still try to stalk him in my spare time. I don't know who the other one is that was involved in imvu. I suspicion that it was her daughter, AF. I don't think that imvu allows child porn or porn, but a person could make contact with other like minded persons and do the contact via emails and payment for " products " via PayPal. This is what I think was going on with EB. Not sure if any of the others were involved in this. Maybe there is something in the unsealed search warrant.   


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Brandi on January 04, 2011, 08:32:52 PM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/ZahraClareBaker/Image323.png)

From #3.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: sassifrass on January 04, 2011, 08:32:55 PM
Northern Rose: Thank you so much for all of the info. You sure are a blessing.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Brandi on January 04, 2011, 08:34:01 PM
Correction. The above is from #5.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2011, 08:34:54 PM
Search Warrants: Stepmother Says Zahra Died Sept. 24  (video)

http://www.wsoctv.com/video/26369172/index.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: bananas on January 04, 2011, 08:35:25 PM
AY ( Railbugfreak ) has been quite on all fronts recently. I still try to stalk him in my spare time. I don't know who the other one is that was involved in imvu. I suspicion that it was her daughter, AF. I don't think that imvu allows child porn or porn, but a person could make contact with other like minded persons and do the contact via emails and payment for " products " via PayPal. This is what I think was going on with EB. Not sure if any of the others were involved in this. Maybe there is something in the unsealed search warrant.   

I wondered if the other one was AY's new wife.  I dunno just think it is all creepy.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Gizzie on January 04, 2011, 08:37:36 PM
Northern, Could you refresh my memory as to who "Sammy Young" is?   ::MonkeyAngel::

Either Aaron Young's brother or cousin.  I have to check to be sure

Thanks! I wasn't thinking properly and thought I'd never heard the name before, but I got it!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2011, 08:39:58 PM
Zahra Baker died two weeks before reported missing, warrant states (video)

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13774355


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: sassifrass on January 04, 2011, 08:42:26 PM
Zahra Baker died two weeks before reported missing, warrant states (video)

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13774355

Good Lord!  ::MonkeyTears:: 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: sassifrass on January 04, 2011, 08:43:30 PM
I think we need a sister prayer, please.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Gizzie on January 04, 2011, 08:44:08 PM
Northern, Could you refresh my memory as to who "Sammy Young" is?   ::MonkeyAngel::

Either Aaron Young's brother or cousin.  I have to check to be sure
Lewis "James" Young is Aaron's brother

Timmy "Sammy" young is the cousin

I think


Isn't Sammy the one who was said to have had raped Zahra? I think I'm getting myself confused a bit.   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Gizzie on January 04, 2011, 08:44:41 PM
Oopsie  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2011, 08:46:34 PM
Warrant: Stepmother claims Zahra Baker died in Sept.  (video)


http://www.wcnc.com/news/zahra-baker/Warrants-in-Zahra-Baker-case-reveal-sordid-details-112890749.html


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Post by: Fanny Mae on January 04, 2011, 08:48:34 PM
Basically most of the information so far have been things we already knew. The "chain saw" enacting and the number of telephones was new. The warrants for the phones and medical records was not unexpected. Most of the search warrants for the house and the items took were mostly already known too. I wonder why the fight to keep them sealed, unless there is more on the others that have been released.


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Post by: Brandi on January 04, 2011, 08:48:46 PM
Search warrants provide grisly details in Zahra Baker's death
By the CNN Wire Staff
January 4, 2011 8:39 p.m. EST

(CNN) -- The stepmother of 10-year-old Zahra Baker told police the girl was killed two weeks before she was reported missing, according to search warrants released Tuesday.

Stepmother Elisa Baker also told police in Hickory, North Carolina, that the disabled girl's body was disposed of the next day, September 25, in various locations, according to the documents.

She told police on November 19 that the girl's father, Adam Baker, dismembered the girl, and the couple disposed of the remains.

While Elisa Baker has been charged with obstruction of justice -- for writing a fake ransom note and leaving it at the family's Hickory home -- no one has been charged directly in the girl's death. Elisa Baker also is accused of writing worthless checks.

Police have said she had been cooperating with investigators.

One of the search warrants details an online conversation a web user said she had with Adam and/or Elisa Baker "regarding their involvement with chainsaw massacre role-playing."

According to the warrant, "the date of September 22 was given regarding their virtual family 'doing a murder with chainsaws.'" Elisa Baker's former husband also was involved in role-playing, according to the conversation.

Catawba Superior Court Judge Robert C. Ervin released the 30 search warrants that provide more insight into the grisly killing of the freckled-face girl, who lost part of her left leg at age 5 to cancer. Eleven search warrants were released in December.

Police found some of Zahra Baker's remains on November 11, just over a month after she was reported her missing.

In October, Adam Baker, who denied he was involved in Zahra's disappearance, tearfully called for the return of his daughter.

Investigators reviewed Adam Baker's cell phone records and the phone's GPS locator from September 25, the warrants say. According to those records, Adam Baker's phone was not in the areas where Zahra's remains were found on the day that Elisa Baker said he disposed of them, the warrants say.

Elisa Baker's cell phone records indicate that her phone was in those areas on that day, the warrants say.

According to the warrants, Elisa Baker told Adam Baker that a man she said was her brother actually was her husband. She married Adam Baker before the divorce, police said.

CNN left messages Tuesday evening with the attorneys for Elisa and Adam Baker.

In one of the search warrants released in December, a tipster told police that Zahra had been at a North Carolina home with two men and one of the men said "he had done something very bad and needed to leave town."

One of the men was associated with Zahra's stepmother but was not Zahra's father, the tipster said.

The tipster also told police that Zahra had been raped by both men and that she had blood on her private area and legs, the search warrant said. The tipster told police that he got the information about the alleged rape from a friend who was told about it from his sister.

Police went to the home to see if they could confirm the fourth-hand information and found a mattress at the side of the house that "had a large dark stain in the middle," the search warrant said.

The tipster said the men did not admit to killing the girl but did say that they "might have hit her in the head," the search warrant said.

Adam Baker was arrested in late October in nearby Catawba County on eight charges: five counts of writing bad checks and three counts of failing to appear in court. Authorities said the charges were unrelated to Zahra's disappearance, and he was later released on bail.

The disappearance of Zahra made international news. The girl, whose biological parents were both from Australia, lost part of her left leg at age 5 and lost hearing in both ears while being treated for cancer.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/04/north.carolina.girl/index.html?section=cnn_latest


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 04, 2011, 08:50:17 PM
Warrant: Stepmother claims Zahra Baker died in Sept.  (video)


http://www.wcnc.com/news/zahra-baker/Warrants-in-Zahra-Baker-case-reveal-sordid-details-112890749.html

Do you think the day the furniture lady said she saw Zahra in the store was the day Elisa bought the bed? I didn't really understand what she meant about Elisa and Zahra were texting each other about it.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2011, 08:51:14 PM
Northern, Could you refresh my memory as to who "Sammy Young" is?   ::MonkeyAngel::

Either Aaron Young's brother or cousin.  I have to check to be sure
Lewis "James" Young is Aaron's brother

Timmy "Sammy" young is the cousin

I think


Isn't Sammy the one who was said to have had raped Zahra? I think I'm getting myself confused a bit.   ::MonkeyConfused::

<snipped>


The two men accused of raping Zahra Baker before she died say they didn't assault the 10-year-old Hickory girl, and that they passed a polygraph test when questioned by police.

"I've never done anything inappropriate with Zahra," said James Young, a former in-law of Elisa Baker, Zahra's stepmother. "It's aggravating being accused of something like this."

Young, 37, said police cleared him of any wrongdoing and that he hasn't met with investigators since October.

Young's brother was once married to Elisa Baker. And Young had lived across the street from Elisa, Zahra and her father, Adam Baker, in Caldwell County, before the Bakers moved to Hickory. Young said he often saw the Bakers in the mobile home park, and spent time with them at Christmas and birthday parties.

He described Zahra as an "outstanding, outgoing kid," and has photos of the girl on his refrigerator.

His cousin, Timothy "Sammy" Young, declined to discuss the rape allegation, but said he also passed a polygraph test on the Zahra investigation.

"The allegations that have been said are untrue and that is all I have to say thanks," he said in a text..

The allegation that Zahra was physically assaulted and raped before she died emerged in search warrant documents unsealed last week.

An unnamed source reported to police that the Youngs may have raped and physically assaulted Zahra., the documents said. The source said Zahra, at a time unspecified in the document, had been at a beige block house in Burke County with the two men.

The source - who got his information from talking to someone else - reported that Elisa Baker came to the house and saw Zahra with blood on her lower body, and that the men had raped her, according to the documents.

The source said he asked the person he was talking to if the men at the house had killed Zahra, and he was told "they might have hit her in the head," one document says.

Hickory Police declined to say whether the Youngs are still under investigation.

No one has been charged in connection with Zahra's death. Both Elisa Baker and Adam Baker have denied any wrongdoing.

It's unclear how the girl died, but police have reported that some of her remains were discovered in at least two rural areas five miles apart.

Elisa Baker is in jail after police say she admitted to writing a phony ransom note to thwart their investigation into Zahra's disappearance.

James Young still lives in the small beige block house with his father. On Tuesday, he welcomed an ******* reporter into his kitchen to talk about the investigation. On his refrigerator was a photo of Zahra, smiling and hugging Young. A second photo, created as a memorial after the girl went missing, was titled "Sweet Zahra."

As he fixed a cup of instant coffee in a microwave, Young said police first visited him about a week after Zahra was reported missing on Oct. 9. He said Zahra had never even been to the house, and the last time he saw her was months ago in the spring or summer when they lived in the same mobile home park.

Young said he submitted to a cheek swab so police could get a DNA sample. He said he took a polygraph test. He said he allowed police to search his house. They didn't remove anything, he said. He hasn't heard from them again in more than a month.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/12/08/1895088/cousins-say-they-didnt-assault.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Gizzie on January 04, 2011, 08:59:27 PM
Thank you Northern! Now I remember exactly who he is!  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2011, 08:59:57 PM
Warrant: Stepmother claims Zahra Baker died in Sept.  (video)


http://www.wcnc.com/news/zahra-baker/Warrants-in-Zahra-Baker-case-reveal-sordid-details-112890749.html

Do you think the day the furniture lady said she saw Zahra in the store was the day Elisa bought the bed? I didn't really understand what she meant about Elisa and Zahra were texting each other about it.

I don't know either.  This is all I have come across about text messages



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 04, 2011, 09:04:56 PM
Warrant: Stepmother claims Zahra Baker died in Sept.  (video)


http://www.wcnc.com/news/zahra-baker/Warrants-in-Zahra-Baker-case-reveal-sordid-details-112890749.html

Do you think the day the furniture lady said she saw Zahra in the store was the day Elisa bought the bed? I didn't really understand what she meant about Elisa and Zahra were texting each other about it.

I don't know either.  This is all I have come across about text messages



I'll go back and see if I can find it. It was an statement about an interview with a lady in a furniture store when Eliza bought the bed.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Brandi on January 04, 2011, 09:08:56 PM
Warrant: Stepmother claims Zahra Baker died in Sept.  (video)


http://www.wcnc.com/news/zahra-baker/Warrants-in-Zahra-Baker-case-reveal-sordid-details-112890749.html

Do you think the day the furniture lady said she saw Zahra in the store was the day Elisa bought the bed? I didn't really understand what she meant about Elisa and Zahra were texting each other about it.

The news article and video here: http://charlotte.news14.com/content/top_stories/631566/police-narrow-down-last-day-zahra-baker-seen do not mention them buying anything. Said they were in the store ~30 minutes.

I don't know anything about Zahra and Elisa texting ?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Sister on January 04, 2011, 09:14:19 PM
I think we need a sister prayer, please.
Heavenly Father, we thank you that you have chosen us as your children.  We thank you for loving us so we can come into your presence and lay our burdens down.  We are heavy laden Father, we cringe and cry out in pain for what has happened to Zahra.  Lord, you know all about it . . . more than we know or will ever know.  We just wrestle so deeply with the whys and then the total lack of responsibility from people who were suppose to love this precious child.  Forgive our questions, yet Lord you see within our spirits and know we have them.  We doubt not you, we doubt people who have been entrusted with the gifts you have blessed them with.  Why oh why must they disregard these gifts like trash?  Enlighten us we pray . . . or Father is the answer more than we could bear?  Are you saving us from the pain of knowledge we are not equipped to handle?  We trust you, we love you, and we thank you for releasing Zahra of these earthy monsters that surrounded her.  We thank you for embracing her eternally and making her whole.  Continue to be a presence with those who truly love her, including the monkeys here . . . in Jesus' name we pray.  Amen and Amen.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Brandi on January 04, 2011, 09:20:34 PM
Baker Stepmum showing cracks

http://bigpondnews.com/articles/World/2011/01/05/Baker_Stepmum_showing_cracks_560375.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Gizzie on January 04, 2011, 09:20:45 PM
I think we need a sister prayer, please.
Heavenly Father, we thank you that you have chosen us as your children.  We thank you for loving us so we can come into your presence and lay our burdens down.  We are heavy laden Father, we cringe and cry out in pain for what has happened to Zahra.  Lord, you know all about it . . . more than we know or will ever know.  We just wrestle so deeply with the whys and then the total lack of responsibility from people who were suppose to love this precious child.  Forgive our questions, yet Lord you see within our spirits and know we have them.  We doubt not you, we doubt people who have been entrusted with the gifts you have blessed them with.  Why oh why must they disregard these gifts like trash?  Enlighten us we pray . . . or Father is the answer more than we could bear?  Are you saving us from the pain of knowledge we are not equipped to handle?  We trust you, we love you, and we thank you for releasing Zahra of these earthy monsters that surrounded her.  We thank you for embracing her eternally and making her whole.  Continue to be a presence with those who truly love her, including the monkeys here . . . in Jesus' name we pray.  Amen and Amen.

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: sassifrass on January 04, 2011, 09:23:27 PM
I think we need a sister prayer, please.
Heavenly Father, we thank you that you have chosen us as your children.  We thank you for loving us so we can come into your presence and lay our burdens down.  We are heavy laden Father, we cringe and cry out in pain for what has happened to Zahra.  Lord, you know all about it . . . more than we know or will ever know.  We just wrestle so deeply with the whys and then the total lack of responsibility from people who were suppose to love this precious child.  Forgive our questions, yet Lord you see within our spirits and know we have them.  We doubt not you, we doubt people who have been entrusted with the gifts you have blessed them with.  Why oh why must they disregard these gifts like trash?  Enlighten us we pray . . . or Father is the answer more than we could bear?  Are you saving us from the pain of knowledge we are not equipped to handle?  We trust you, we love you, and we thank you for releasing Zahra of these earthy monsters that surrounded her.  We thank you for embracing her eternally and making her whole.  Continue to be a presence with those who truly love her, including the monkeys here . . . in Jesus' name we pray.  Amen and Amen.

Amen.  ::MonkeyTears:: Thank you sister.  ::MonkeyAngel:: I sure needed that, along with all of the monkeys.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Tolerance on January 04, 2011, 09:23:38 PM
I think we need a sister prayer, please.
Heavenly Father, we thank you that you have chosen us as your children.  We thank you for loving us so we can come into your presence and lay our burdens down.  We are heavy laden Father, we cringe and cry out in pain for what has happened to Zahra.  Lord, you know all about it . . . more than we know or will ever know.  We just wrestle so deeply with the whys and then the total lack of responsibility from people who were suppose to love this precious child.  Forgive our questions, yet Lord you see within our spirits and know we have them.  We doubt not you, we doubt people who have been entrusted with the gifts you have blessed them with.  Why oh why must they disregard these gifts like trash?  Enlighten us we pray . . . or Father is the answer more than we could bear?  Are you saving us from the pain of knowledge we are not equipped to handle?  We trust you, we love you, and we thank you for releasing Zahra of these earthy monsters that surrounded her.  We thank you for embracing her eternally and making her whole.  Continue to be a presence with those who truly love her, including the monkeys here . . . in Jesus' name we pray.  Amen and Amen.
From the bottom of my heart:  Thank you, Sister.
and all God's people say Amen.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on January 04, 2011, 09:23:44 PM
Does anyone know for sure if this is before the GJ right now ?
I am in training for a new job and am away from my desk most of the day, pop back to check messages and emails until I move on Friday .. just want to know what to expect tomorrow. If no GJ, then will not bother.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Brandi on January 04, 2011, 09:23:55 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/15LEvgs-Q6M?fs=1&amp;hl=en_US

WWBT news video


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: statru on January 04, 2011, 09:24:53 PM
Just saw on twitter that Elisa's hearing scheduled for today has been postponed until March. WTH

But this was a bond reduction hearing...postponing it means no reduction...so she cant get out.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Sister on January 04, 2011, 09:27:54 PM
I think we need a sister prayer, please.
Heavenly Father, we thank you that you have chosen us as your children.  We thank you for loving us so we can come into your presence and lay our burdens down.  We are heavy laden Father, we cringe and cry out in pain for what has happened to Zahra.  Lord, you know all about it . . . more than we know or will ever know.  We just wrestle so deeply with the whys and then the total lack of responsibility from people who were suppose to love this precious child.  Forgive our questions, yet Lord you see within our spirits and know we have them.  We doubt not you, we doubt people who have been entrusted with the gifts you have blessed them with.  Why oh why must they disregard these gifts like trash?  Enlighten us we pray . . . or Father is the answer more than we could bear?  Are you saving us from the pain of knowledge we are not equipped to handle?  We trust you, we love you, and we thank you for releasing Zahra of these earthy monsters that surrounded her.  We thank you for embracing her eternally and making her whole.  Continue to be a presence with those who truly love her, including the monkeys here . . . in Jesus' name we pray.  Amen and Amen.

Amen.  ::MonkeyTears:: Thank you sister.  ::MonkeyAngel:: I sure needed that, along with all of the monkeys.

I just put in words what your hearts feel . . . sometimes it helps to put feelings out loud, sort of.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: bananas on January 04, 2011, 09:28:00 PM
Northern, Could you refresh my memory as to who "Sammy Young" is?   ::MonkeyAngel::

Either Aaron Young's brother or cousin.  I have to check to be sure
Lewis "James" Young is Aaron's brother

Timmy "Sammy" young is the cousin

I think


Isn't Sammy the one who was said to have had raped Zahra? I think I'm getting myself confused a bit.   ::MonkeyConfused::

Yes he was one of the two... the other one was Aaron Young's brother.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Sister on January 04, 2011, 09:29:00 PM
Just saw on twitter that Elisa's hearing scheduled for today has been postponed until March. WTH

But this was a bond reduction hearing...postponing it means no reduction...so she cant get out.
It angers me she thinks she deserves bond reduction because she is cooperating.  Rewarding evil is unacceptable.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Sister on January 04, 2011, 09:29:41 PM
I think we need a sister prayer, please.
Heavenly Father, we thank you that you have chosen us as your children.  We thank you for loving us so we can come into your presence and lay our burdens down.  We are heavy laden Father, we cringe and cry out in pain for what has happened to Zahra.  Lord, you know all about it . . . more than we know or will ever know.  We just wrestle so deeply with the whys and then the total lack of responsibility from people who were suppose to love this precious child.  Forgive our questions, yet Lord you see within our spirits and know we have them.  We doubt not you, we doubt people who have been entrusted with the gifts you have blessed them with.  Why oh why must they disregard these gifts like trash?  Enlighten us we pray . . . or Father is the answer more than we could bear?  Are you saving us from the pain of knowledge we are not equipped to handle?  We trust you, we love you, and we thank you for releasing Zahra of these earthy monsters that surrounded her.  We thank you for embracing her eternally and making her whole.  Continue to be a presence with those who truly love her, including the monkeys here . . . in Jesus' name we pray.  Amen and Amen.
From the bottom of my heart:  Thank you, Sister.
and all God's people say Amen.
From your spirit to God's heart.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: sassifrass on January 04, 2011, 09:31:44 PM
IMO, if they are not convicted through the courts, they will stand before God and receive the punishment that is deserving. God is our judge, and jury. They WILL get their punishment.

I'm just so heartbroken about Zahra. I would have taken her in a split second and raised her as a happy child that she's meant to be, as I'm sure all of the monkeys would have.

This is such an emotional case.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 04, 2011, 09:32:50 PM
Thank you sister.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 04, 2011, 09:36:27 PM
Warrant: Stepmother claims Zahra Baker died in Sept.  (video)


http://www.wcnc.com/news/zahra-baker/Warrants-in-Zahra-Baker-case-reveal-sordid-details-112890749.html

Do you think the day the furniture lady said she saw Zahra in the store was the day Elisa bought the bed? I didn't really understand what she meant about Elisa and Zahra were texting each other about it.

The news article and video here: http://charlotte.news14.com/content/top_stories/631566/police-narrow-down-last-day-zahra-baker-seen do not mention them buying anything. Said they were in the store ~30 minutes.

I don't know anything about Zahra and Elisa texting ?

I read it tonight, and pretty sure it is in the new PDF's. It stated the lady's name and said she had sold Elisa the new bed. I'll keep digging. I didn't understand if this was the same lady who said she saw Zahra, but she said Zahra & Elisa were texting back and forth and sounded to me like Zahra wasn't there. I wondered how she knew Eliza was texting with Zahra and when Elisa bought the new bed.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: sassifrass on January 04, 2011, 09:39:28 PM
So what happens now? I haven't read through all of the news releases. I saw the GJ will start gathering info. How long will that take? Northern Rose, any insights on your thoughts? Your opinion?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 04, 2011, 09:41:10 PM
Zahra Baker died two weeks before reported missing, warrant states (video)

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13774355

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

If Zahra's Mom hadn't found out where she was, I wonder when/if anyone would ever have known. 

I've got back reading to catch up and am going to go do it now, but I just had to say how glad I am to have some movement in this case. God, this case is hard on the heart!   ::MonkeyTears::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Sister on January 04, 2011, 09:41:48 PM
Thank you sister.  ::MonkeyAngel::

As always Fanny, you are welcome and I am humbled.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 04, 2011, 09:48:57 PM
I found it!!

http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2011/0104/26368823.pdf

Pg 36, #9

I can't bring it over, but there it is about buying the bed.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: 4 Donks on January 04, 2011, 09:49:02 PM
Zahra Baker died two weeks before reported missing, warrant states (video)

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13774355

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

If Zahra's Mom hadn't found out where she was, I wonder when/if anyone would ever have known. 

I've got back reading to catch up and am going to go do it now, but I just had to say how glad I am to have some movement in this case. God, this case is hard on the heart!   ::MonkeyTears::
My heart aches for Emily and her daughters. If it is doing this to us what must it do to her.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 04, 2011, 10:02:39 PM



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Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: bananas on January 04, 2011, 10:09:49 PM
I found it!!

http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2011/0104/26368823.pdf

Pg 36, #9

I can't bring it over, but there it is about buying the bed.

This says the bed was purchased from Angie Foster and no date is named.  I don't recall the exact name of the person in the furniture store who said they saw Zahra but I think it was Rick somebody?  I think the bed was purchased somewhere else besides the furniture where Zahra was seen on the 25th.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2011, 10:12:49 PM
I think we need a sister prayer, please.
Heavenly Father, we thank you that you have chosen us as your children.  We thank you for loving us so we can come into your presence and lay our burdens down.  We are heavy laden Father, we cringe and cry out in pain for what has happened to Zahra.  Lord, you know all about it . . . more than we know or will ever know.  We just wrestle so deeply with the whys and then the total lack of responsibility from people who were suppose to love this precious child.  Forgive our questions, yet Lord you see within our spirits and know we have them.  We doubt not you, we doubt people who have been entrusted with the gifts you have blessed them with.  Why oh why must they disregard these gifts like trash?  Enlighten us we pray . . . or Father is the answer more than we could bear?  Are you saving us from the pain of knowledge we are not equipped to handle?  We trust you, we love you, and we thank you for releasing Zahra of these earthy monsters that surrounded her.  We thank you for embracing her eternally and making her whole.  Continue to be a presence with those who truly love her, including the monkeys here . . . in Jesus' name we pray.  Amen and Amen.

Amen and Amen

Thank you Sister   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: starwynn on January 04, 2011, 10:13:19 PM
I think we need a sister prayer, please.
Heavenly Father, we thank you that you have chosen us as your children.  We thank you for loving us so we can come into your presence and lay our burdens down.  We are heavy laden Father, we cringe and cry out in pain for what has happened to Zahra.  Lord, you know all about it . . . more than we know or will ever know.  We just wrestle so deeply with the whys and then the total lack of responsibility from people who were suppose to love this precious child.  Forgive our questions, yet Lord you see within our spirits and know we have them.  We doubt not you, we doubt people who have been entrusted with the gifts you have blessed them with.  Why oh why must they disregard these gifts like trash?  Enlighten us we pray . . . or Father is the answer more than we could bear?  Are you saving us from the pain of knowledge we are not equipped to handle?  We trust you, we love you, and we thank you for releasing Zahra of these earthy monsters that surrounded her.  We thank you for embracing her eternally and making her whole.  Continue to be a presence with those who truly love her, including the monkeys here . . . in Jesus' name we pray.  Amen and Amen.

I was wondering what a "Sister prayer" was.  As a girl I figured maybe I was supposed to know.  >.>   But now that I *do* know, I'm so very very glad that I do!  Thank you so much for this, Sister.  Amen, indeed.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2011, 10:14:31 PM
Does anyone know for sure if this is before the GJ right now ?
I am in training for a new job and am away from my desk most of the day, pop back to check messages and emails until I move on Friday .. just want to know what to expect tomorrow. If no GJ, then will not bother.

Nope.  The one video said the GJ met today but not sure what they met about and they are meeting again in two weeks.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Curly on January 04, 2011, 10:14:58 PM
Zahra Baker died two weeks before reported missing, warrant states (video)

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13774355

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

If Zahra's Mom hadn't found out where she was, I wonder when/if anyone would ever have known. 

I've got back reading to catch up and am going to go do it now, but I just had to say how glad I am to have some movement in this case. God, this case is hard on the heart!   ::MonkeyTears::

That's for sure, CBB.
It makes me go ballistic, the abomination of it.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 04, 2011, 10:16:33 PM
Does anyone know for sure if this is before the GJ right now ?
I am in training for a new job and am away from my desk most of the day, pop back to check messages and emails until I move on Friday .. just want to know what to expect tomorrow. If no GJ, then will not bother.

Nope.  The one video said the GJ met today but not sure what they met about and they are meeting again in two weeks.

NORTHERN, could you please look at my post #917 and post it. I don't know how to post copy of PDF.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2011, 10:17:00 PM
So what happens now? I haven't read through all of the news releases. I saw the GJ will start gathering info. How long will that take? Northern Rose, any insights on your thoughts? Your opinion?

No idea, when ever they are ready.  I just wish Adam would get hauled off the streets for that cavity search that is awaiting him.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 04, 2011, 10:18:38 PM
I found it!!

http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2011/0104/26368823.pdf

Pg 36, #9

I can't bring it over, but there it is about buying the bed.

This says the bed was purchased from Angie Foster and no date is named.  I don't recall the exact name of the person in the furniture store who said they saw Zahra but I think it was Rick somebody?  I think the bed was purchased somewhere else besides the furniture where Zahra was seen on the 25th.

The part that perplexed me was her saying Elisa and Zahra were messaging each other. If it was after Zahra was murdered, was Elisa pretending to text with Zahra and how would she know who Elisa was texting.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: starwynn on January 04, 2011, 10:20:01 PM
Just saw on twitter that Elisa's hearing scheduled for today has been postponed until March. WTH

But this was a bond reduction hearing...postponing it means no reduction...so she cant get out.


/////  snicker!! \\\\\\   Great, isn't it?   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: sassifrass on January 04, 2011, 10:20:31 PM
So what happens now? I haven't read through all of the news releases. I saw the GJ will start gathering info. How long will that take? Northern Rose, any insights on your thoughts? Your opinion?

No idea, when ever they are ready.  I just wish Adam would get hauled off the streets for that cavity search that is awaiting him.

 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2011, 10:21:43 PM
I found it!!

http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2011/0104/26368823.pdf

Pg 36, #9

I can't bring it over, but there it is about buying the bed.

Sorry I was helping my son do a school project on sleep mode watt power consumption of appliances

Here it is:



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 04, 2011, 10:23:24 PM
I found it!!

http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2011/0104/26368823.pdf

Pg 36, #9

I can't bring it over, but there it is about buying the bed.

Sorry I was helping my son do a school project on sleep mode watt power consumption of appliances

Here it is:



Now that I read it again, she meant she and Elisa and not Zahra and Elisa. Thanks!
I sure would like to know when Eliza bought the new bed.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2011, 10:24:39 PM
I found it!!

http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2011/0104/26368823.pdf

Pg 36, #9

I can't bring it over, but there it is about buying the bed.

Sorry I was helping my son do a school project on sleep mode watt power consumption of appliances

Here it is:



Now that I read it again, she meant she and Elisa and not Zahra and Elisa. Thanks!
I sure would like to know when Eliza bought the new bed.

It may have been a rent to own like the other rent to own furniture they are being sued over for not returning


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 04, 2011, 10:24:54 PM
I found it!!

http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2011/0104/26368823.pdf

Pg 36, #9

I can't bring it over, but there it is about buying the bed.

Sorry I was helping my son do a school project on sleep mode watt power consumption of appliances

Here it is:



Now that I read it again, she meant she and Elisa and not Zahra and Elisa. Thanks!
I sure would like to know when Eliza bought the new bed.

O/T I would like to know about the sleep mode consumption myself. I walk around my house at night and see all the little lights on things and I know the power meter is going around and around.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: starwynn on January 04, 2011, 10:25:28 PM
I found it!!

http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2011/0104/26368823.pdf

Pg 36, #9

I can't bring it over, but there it is about buying the bed.

This says the bed was purchased from Angie Foster and no date is named.  I don't recall the exact name of the person in the furniture store who said they saw Zahra but I think it was Rick somebody?  I think the bed was purchased somewhere else besides the furniture where Zahra was seen on the 25th.
Excerpt from http://www.cayleedaily.com/2010/10/furniture-store-employees-put-zahra-in-hickory-two-weeks-before-disapperance/
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"We have cartoons for children playing on the TVs...and she was standing in the aisleway.  As I walked past, I just touched her on the shoulder and said 'Excuse m e, sweetheart' and she just looked up at me and smiled," floor manager Pat Adams told news Channel 36.  Adams said another sales person remembered Elisa Baker calling the little girl, "Zahra". 

Other employees of the "In Your Home Furnishings" store on US-70 noted the little girl's prostetic leg.  "We saw on TV about the little girl was missing and we started talking about it, and that was who it was - the little girl." explained Israel Valle.
---------------


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on January 04, 2011, 10:26:55 PM
Does anyone know for sure if this is before the GJ right now ?
I am in training for a new job and am away from my desk most of the day, pop back to check messages and emails until I move on Friday .. just want to know what to expect tomorrow. If no GJ, then will not bother.

Nope.  The one video said the GJ met today but not sure what they met about and they are meeting again in two weeks.

Very confusing for me. Why no charges for either one of them. Lab results to see if there is any DNA to link spineless Ab to any of this ? Only thing I can think of.
The only thing that is a blessing in this is that Emily finding Zahra and contacting Karen B 
was not the catalyst. Catalyst for the kidnapping story, etc.
No one knew Zahra even lived there in their neighbourhood, she was making some lame excuse to her daughter that Zahra had the stomach flu, probably would have moved again and no one would have been the wiser. No one would think anything of it if she moved away and told the American peeps one story and the AU family and peeps another bs story. 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Brandi on January 04, 2011, 10:30:45 PM
I found it!!

http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2011/0104/26368823.pdf

Pg 36, #9

I can't bring it over, but there it is about buying the bed.
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/ZahraClareBaker/Image324.png)

Here you go, Fanny.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Brandi on January 04, 2011, 10:34:30 PM
I found it!!

http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2011/0104/26368823.pdf

Pg 36, #9

I can't bring it over, but there it is about buying the bed.

This says the bed was purchased from Angie Foster and no date is named.  I don't recall the exact name of the person in the furniture store who said they saw Zahra but I think it was Rick somebody?  I think the bed was purchased somewhere else besides the furniture where Zahra was seen on the 25th.

BBM
I think you are right.

Quote
There is a new development in the Zahra Baker investigation. Police said they've narrowed their time line to the last time Baker was seen by someone other than a family member to Saturday, Sept. 25. Employees at a furniture store in Hickory told WBTV on Friday they remember seeing Zahra and her stepmother in the store 14 days before she was reported missing.

Linda Austin and Pat Adams employees at the furniture store.

Pat Adams was the lady interviewed in the video: http://charlotte.news14.com/content/top_stories/631566/police-narrow-down-last-day-zahra-baker-seen


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: starwynn on January 04, 2011, 10:37:55 PM
Interesting that EB has been contacting AY via cell phone "during the investigation", and that AY let TY (one of the accused rapists) use his phone often enough for it to have been mentioned in the affidavit.

http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2011/0104/26368823.pdf    (page 44)

Also interesting that it's being said that information concerning AY can prove helpful to the investigation, and then the chainsaw murder RP.

AY's new bride says he wouldn't do that because he never talks to Elisa.  But a LOT can go on online using monikers that wouldn't be noticed.  "Just playing a video game" excuses, etc, sadly.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: starwynn on January 04, 2011, 10:39:54 PM
Also interesting that in these new documents, they admit that they're investigating Adam Baker specifically for his *involvement* in the murder.  I had not seen that sort of language used yet, and I'm glad to see it!  I had hoped they were doing this behind the scenes the whole time.

Sorry for the multi posts.  I'm just a bit excited to see some work being done on this that we had all hoped for.  Not enough yet, but.... it's definitely in a strong forward direction.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Brandi on January 04, 2011, 10:40:01 PM
Oops.

A day late and a dollar short.

Gonna log out.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 04, 2011, 10:44:40 PM
I found it!!

http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2011/0104/26368823.pdf

Pg 36, #9

I can't bring it over, but there it is about buying the bed.

This says the bed was purchased from Angie Foster and no date is named.  I don't recall the exact name of the person in the furniture store who said they saw Zahra but I think it was Rick somebody?  I think the bed was purchased somewhere else besides the furniture where Zahra was seen on the 25th.

BBM
I think you are right.

Quote
There is a new development in the Zahra Baker investigation. Police said they've narrowed their time line to the last time Baker was seen by someone other than a family member to Saturday, Sept. 25. Employees at a furniture store in Hickory told WBTV on Friday they remember seeing Zahra and her stepmother in the store 14 days before she was reported missing.

Linda Austin and Pat Adams employees at the furniture store.

Pat Adams was the lady interviewed in the video: http://charlotte.news14.com/content/top_stories/631566/police-narrow-down-last-day-zahra-baker-seen

Thanks Brandi. Do you think Elisa was lying about the day Zahra was murdered, or do you think the furniture store siting was not on the 25th?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2011, 11:28:06 PM
<snipped>
Several of the warrants involve Elisa Baker's medical and mental health records. Police requested those records from several facilities across the region including Kings Mountain Hospital and Broughton Mental Hospital.

Investigators are also digging into records for Zahra and Elisa Baker's three biological children. They're asking for information from several social services offices including Caldwell, Gaston and Alexander counties, noting accusations that Elisa Baker may have abused her biological children as far back as 1999.

The search warrants also give a better idea of what investigators were able to collect in the Baker's home on 21st Avenue in Hickory. The warrants from October and November reveal in addition to cutting out parts of the wall and floor, officers took cameras and more than a half dozen cell phones. They also took more than 30 blood swabs, tissue and hair samples. Officers removed hearing aid parts, crutches, latex gloves, a knife and a stun gun from the home.

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/26366558/detail.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: statru on January 04, 2011, 11:37:45 PM
If she spent time at Broughton, she is more crazy that I thought...I mean I knew she was crazy, but that is a whole new level of nuts


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on January 05, 2011, 12:47:29 AM
Somebody help me !
Remove all this BS and fog about this case !

Justice for Zahra. Lock up Adam and squeeze him for the truth ! ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: starwynn on January 05, 2011, 02:03:58 AM
If she spent time at Broughton, she is more crazy that I thought...I mean I knew she was crazy, but that is a whole new level of nuts

IIRC, she was said (by a family member?) to be diagnosed as bi-polar.  If so, it's possible that she's been in one of those hospitals at some point depending on whether or not she kept up with her medications.  I see her as the type that probably thinks she's NOT crazy (unless it suits her pity-party, and then I think she just says it and doesn't believe it) and doesn't medicate.  Drugs yes?  The kind that are prescribed, nah.  That's a seriously bad combination - bipolar and drugs.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on January 05, 2011, 08:03:46 AM
Search warrants

PDF: Search Warrants In Zahra Case, Part 1
http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2011/0104/26368797.pdf

PDF: Search Warrants In Zahra Case, Part 2
http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2011/0104/26368823.pdf

PDF: Search Warrants In Zahra Case, Part 3
http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2011/0104/26368824.pdf

PDF: Search Warrants In Zahra Case, Part 4
http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2011/0104/26368827.pdf

PDF: Search Warrants In Zahra Case, Part 5
http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2011/0104/26368831.pdf

PDF: Search Warrants In Zahra Case, Part 6
http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2011/0104/26368858.pdf

Thank you Northern.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 05, 2011, 09:01:36 AM
I have said before I think Adam is not as dumb as he looks. Maybe he did go with Elisa to dump Zahra's body parts other things, but he didn't take his phone and she did. Or else if he went by himself, he took her cell phone.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: melisb on January 05, 2011, 09:09:40 AM
Search Warrants: Stepmother Says Zahra Died Sept. 24

HICKORY, N.C. -- Elisa Baker, Zahra Baker’s stepmother, told police the 10-year-old died on Sept. 24 and was dismembered the following day by her father, according to search warrants released Tuesday.

Zahra Baker was reported missing on Oct. 9. Her father, Adam Baker, told Hickory police that he last saw her sleeping in her bedroom at about 2:30 a.m. (Click here to listen to the 911 call.) An Amber Alert was issued and a massive search for Zahra ensued.

• IMAGES: Photos Of Zahra Baker


The prosthetic leg that Zahra wore after losing hers to bone cancer was found along Christie Road in Caldwell County on Oct. 26. Her remains were found on Nov. 10 in the Dudley Shoals area of Caldwell County.

• MAP: Key Locations In Zahra's Disappearance


Elisa Baker told Hickory police on Nov. 19 that Adam Baker dismembered Zahra’s body on Sept. 25 and disposed of the body parts in various locations, including the Christie Road and Dudley Shoals areas, the warrants say.

Investigators reviewed Adam Baker’s cell phone records and the phone’s GPS locator from Sept. 25, the warrants say. According to those records, Adam Baker was not in the areas where Zahra’s remains were found on the day that Elisa Baker said he was, the warrants say.

Elisa Baker’s cell phone records indicate that she was in those areas on that day, the warrants say.

Twenty-nine search warrants totaling more than 200 pages were unsealed on Tuesday afternoon. Eyewitness News reporter Dave Faherty is going through those warrants now. Check back to wsoctv.com for updates on this developing story.


http://www.wsoctv.com/news/26366558/detail.html

Maybe Adam didn't have the phone with him when he disposed of Zahra's body.

EGG-FRICKEN-ZACTLY!!!!!  You only need one cell phone on the ride to dispose of a body.  I still say the bone/bloody tissue on walls and ceiling was due to her poor little body being cut with a chain saw or any electrical cutting tool!!  I hope someone gives them a slow painful reminder of what they have done while they are in jail.  That is, if they ever arrest the slime of a sperm donor who doesn't deserve to be walking free right now!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: SuzieQ on January 05, 2011, 09:24:52 AM
I was glad to see that they put a trap and trace on Adam's phone. I was sure they had, but nice to know for sure.

(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff15/sueann37/Adam.jpg)


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Sister on January 05, 2011, 09:32:41 AM
SuzieQ -- thanks for posting this.  I was hopeful this was happening, now I can be confident!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 05, 2011, 09:34:33 AM
 ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 05, 2011, 09:41:59 AM
SuzieQ -- thanks for posting this.  I was hopeful this was happening, now I can be confident!

He has gotten very quiet, hasn't he.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: melisb on January 05, 2011, 10:14:17 AM
I think we need a sister prayer, please.
Heavenly Father, we thank you that you have chosen us as your children.  We thank you for loving us so we can come into your presence and lay our burdens down.  We are heavy laden Father, we cringe and cry out in pain for what has happened to Zahra.  Lord, you know all about it . . . more than we know or will ever know.  We just wrestle so deeply with the whys and then the total lack of responsibility from people who were suppose to love this precious child.  Forgive our questions, yet Lord you see within our spirits and know we have them.  We doubt not you, we doubt people who have been entrusted with the gifts you have blessed them with.  Why oh why must they disregard these gifts like trash?  Enlighten us we pray . . . or Father is the answer more than we could bear?  Are you saving us from the pain of knowledge we are not equipped to handle?  We trust you, we love you, and we thank you for releasing Zahra of these earthy monsters that surrounded her.  We thank you for embracing her eternally and making her whole.  Continue to be a presence with those who truly love her, including the monkeys here . . . in Jesus' name we pray.  Amen and Amen.


Amen.  Thank you, Sister.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Sister on January 05, 2011, 10:27:55 AM
I think we need a sister prayer, please.
Heavenly Father, we thank you that you have chosen us as your children.  We thank you for loving us so we can come into your presence and lay our burdens down.  We are heavy laden Father, we cringe and cry out in pain for what has happened to Zahra.  Lord, you know all about it . . . more than we know or will ever know.  We just wrestle so deeply with the whys and then the total lack of responsibility from people who were suppose to love this precious child.  Forgive our questions, yet Lord you see within our spirits and know we have them.  We doubt not you, we doubt people who have been entrusted with the gifts you have blessed them with.  Why oh why must they disregard these gifts like trash?  Enlighten us we pray . . . or Father is the answer more than we could bear?  Are you saving us from the pain of knowledge we are not equipped to handle?  We trust you, we love you, and we thank you for releasing Zahra of these earthy monsters that surrounded her.  We thank you for embracing her eternally and making her whole.  Continue to be a presence with those who truly love her, including the monkeys here . . . in Jesus' name we pray.  Amen and Amen.


Amen.  Thank you, Sister.

Anytime.  I will never understand how anyone could discard another person like trash.  I just can't wrap my  thoughts around such insanity. . . not even close.  How is it we have become such a disposable society?  Don't want something . . . throw it away.  So painful to think about it.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Puzzler on January 05, 2011, 10:38:35 AM
If she spent time at Broughton, she is more crazy that I thought...I mean I knew she was crazy, but that is a whole new level of nuts

Just a really quick look at Broughton tells you that it's a real serious mental institution:

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~asylums/morganton_nc/index.html

Northern Rose - thank you for all the links...it's appreciated.



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 05, 2011, 10:45:26 AM
I am keeping a close eye on it Klaas ;)


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 05, 2011, 10:48:07 AM
If she spent time at Broughton, she is more crazy that I thought...I mean I knew she was crazy, but that is a whole new level of nuts

Just a really quick look at Broughton tells you that it's a real serious mental institution:

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~asylums/morganton_nc/index.html

Northern Rose - thank you for all the links...it's appreciated.


::MonkeyNoNo:: I'll bet there was more going on then bipolar to be sent there. And would like to know how many shock treatments they give there on a weekly bases? It sure would be interesting to see Elisa's medical records from that place.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: klaasend on January 05, 2011, 10:59:49 AM
I am keeping a close eye on it Klaas ;)

Cool, thanks!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 - 1/5/11
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 05, 2011, 11:46:02 AM
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Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 05, 2011, 11:46:19 AM



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Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 - 1/5/11
Post by: Puzzler on January 05, 2011, 11:56:39 AM
I'm thinking that EB is in for a longer haul in prison that she thinks it will be.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 - 1/5/11
Post by: Puzzler on January 05, 2011, 11:57:27 AM
In trying to help Nut get to page 50, I'm also thinking that it's about time the father got hauled in, too.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 - 1/5/11
Post by: Puzzler on January 05, 2011, 11:58:51 AM
When Adam gets hauled in, I'm hoping that LE will make sure the press is available and that Adam has to do the "perp walk".

Afterall, we did have to watch Adam lie to us and shower his fake tears.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 - 1/5/11
Post by: Puzzler on January 05, 2011, 12:01:21 PM
I think EB is horrible; but, AB is a piece of work that's hard for me to comprehend...he's the father - his daughter was dead for 2 weeks before he even made a move to let anyone know something had gone wrong - then he lied about that - then we found out the monsterous things he did.

I'd say he was crazy, but that could be used as an argument by the defense...so I won't give him that.

I don't have the word for him.

Plain Evil!!



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 - 1/5/11
Post by: sassifrass on January 05, 2011, 12:07:41 PM
I'll help Puzzler.

What about that Sammy Young guy. From the docs it appears that he may be implicated also?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 - 1/5/11
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 05, 2011, 12:08:44 PM
Zahra's father cut up body, wife says
Published: Jan. 5, 2011 at 11:30 AM
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2011/01/05/Zahras-father-cut-up-body-wife-says/UPI-76651294245037/


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 - 1/5/11
Post by: Curly on January 05, 2011, 12:09:27 PM
Possibly more than one Young?
One in particular has gone silent as has Adam.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 - 1/5/11
Post by: sassifrass on January 05, 2011, 12:10:01 PM
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Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 - 1/5/11
Post by: sassifrass on January 05, 2011, 12:10:30 PM
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Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 - 1/5/11
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 05, 2011, 12:12:51 PM
Gaston County tie established in Zahra Baker homicide investigation
 
January 05, 2011 11:13 AM
 
The investigation into the death of 10-year-old Zahra Baker prompted Hickory police to solicit information from the Gaston County Department of Social Services late last year, according to search warrants released Tuesday.

As authorities were putting the pieces together in the homicide case, they wanted to know about DSS case histories involving Zahra’s stepmother, Elisa Baker. The local DSS office has overseen cases involving Baker and three of her other children, including two daughters, ages 25 and 21, and a 23-year-old son.

On Nov. 10, the Catawba County District Attorney’s office filed a motion pursuing the DSS case information on behalf of Hickory police. A judge granted it the same day.

Police have declared Zahra’s death a homicide, though no one has been charged in her death. But police say Baker admitted to writing a phony ransom note to hamper the investigation into Zahra’s disappearance, and she remains jailed on a charge of obstructing justice.

Baker told police the 10-year-old died Sept. 24 and was dismembered the following day by her father, Adam Baker, according to the newly released search warrants. Baker was reported missing Oct. 9 and a massive search for her ensued.

The prosthetic leg that Zahra wore after losing hers to bone cancer was found along Christie Road in Caldwell County on Oct. 26. Her remains were found Nov. 10 in the Dudley Shoals area of Caldwell County.

Elisa Baker told Hickory police on Nov. 19 that Adam Baker dismembered Zahra’s body on Sept. 25 and disposed of the body parts in various locations, including the Christie Road and Dudley Shoals areas, the warrants say.

Investigators reviewed Adam Baker’s cell phone records and the phone’s GPS locator from Sept. 25, the warrants say. According to those records, Adam Baker's phone was not in the areas where Zahra’s remains were found on the day that Elisa Baker said he disposed of them, the warrants say.

http://www.gastongazette.com/news/zahra-54009-county-homicide.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 - 1/5/11
Post by: sassifrass on January 05, 2011, 12:14:04 PM
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Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 - 1/5/11
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 05, 2011, 12:14:08 PM
I love that baby pix


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 - 1/5/11
Post by: sassifrass on January 05, 2011, 12:15:13 PM
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Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 - 1/5/11
Post by: sassifrass on January 05, 2011, 12:16:03 PM
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Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 - 1/5/11
Post by: sassifrass on January 05, 2011, 12:16:22 PM
I love that baby pix

me too!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 - 1/5/11
Post by: sassifrass on January 05, 2011, 12:17:11 PM
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Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 - 1/5/11
Post by: sassifrass on January 05, 2011, 12:17:56 PM
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Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 - 1/5/11
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 05, 2011, 12:19:09 PM
I seem to scare everyone off at pg. 49 when I am going to lock a thread  ::MonkeyHaHa::  ::MonkeyLaugh:: scaredy cats ::MonkeyTease::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 - 1/5/11
Post by: sassifrass on January 05, 2011, 12:19:51 PM
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I hope Emily has a lot of support around her.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 - 1/5/11
Post by: MuffyBee on January 05, 2011, 12:20:03 PM

Me three.   ::bee::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 - 1/5/11
Post by: trimmonthelake on January 05, 2011, 12:20:20 PM
Justice for Zahra!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 - 1/5/11
Post by: sassifrass on January 05, 2011, 12:20:37 PM
I seem to scare everyone off at pg. 49 when I am going to lock a thread  ::MonkeyHaHa::  ::MonkeyLaugh:: scaredy cats ::MonkeyTease::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: I'll stick by ya Nut!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 - 1/5/11
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 05, 2011, 12:21:39 PM
READY!!?? Here wee gooo


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 - 1/5/11
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 05, 2011, 12:21:56 PM
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