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Title: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 - 11/23/10
Post by: Nut44x4 on November 16, 2010, 02:56:13 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)

Justice for Natalee...

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

and Stephany!   ::MonkeyJustice::

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 20, 2010, 07:31:11 AM
Thanks San and Nut!   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: San on November 20, 2010, 07:32:56 AM
Thanks TM and Nut.  Now I can have my coffee.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on November 20, 2010, 07:34:17 AM
YUP!  ::CowboySmiley:: lol


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: San on November 20, 2010, 07:36:43 AM
YUP!  ::CowboySmiley:: lol

Thanks for changing the dates on the other thread.  I went to do it and they were changed already.  You are a quick as Klaas  ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 20, 2010, 07:44:05 AM
http://abcnews.go.com/International/natalee-holloway-case-authorities-results-test-jaw-bone/story?id=12191532&page=2

Source: Dutch Officials 'Almost Certainly Know' Whether Jaw Bone Belongs to Natalee Holloway
Forensics Teams in the Netherlands Have Had Holloways' Dental Records for Days


By SARAH NETTER
Nov. 19, 2010—

The Dutch forensics team charged with examining a jaw bone that washed up on an Aruban beach has had Natalee Holloway's dental records in hand since Tuesday, more than enough time to make a comparison, a source close to the family said today.

"They almost certainly know by now the results," the source told ABC News.

"There are mixed signals," the source said. "If it wasn't her I'd think they'd come out and say it wasn't her with all the fanfare."

Aruban prosecutor Peter Blanken made headlines Thursday by telling CNN that the jaw bone was that of a young woman. Yet, after flying to the Netherlands for the testing, Blanken is headed home to Aruba, the source said, based on information out of Aruba.

The Forensic Institute said earlier this week that the announcement of the findings would be left to Aruban authorities.

The bone, which the Dutch-language paper de Telegraff reported was the lower half of the jaw with one molar still intact, was found by tourists last week on a beach in Aruba.

Holloway, an 18-year-old high school senior from Alabama, vanished in the island country in May 2005 while on a school trip. If the bone is confirmed to be Holloway's it would be the first piece of physical evidence that the teenager was dead.

The suspect in her disappearance has long been Dutch playboy Joran van der Sloot, who has never been formally charged.

Van der Sloot, who was 17 years old at the time of Holloway's disappearance, is now being held in a Peruvian prison after confessing to the murder of Stephany Flores, 21, earlier this year.

Both of Holloway's parents, who are divorced, are said to be waiting for word from Aruba.

"The authorities haven't confirmed anything with me," the teen's father, Dave Holloway, told The Associated Press.. "It's pretty much total silence."

There have been many false hopes regarding Natalee's disappearance in the five years since she went missing.

Beth Twitty , Holloway's mother, has made several attempts to get information out of van der Sloot, who has promised to talk then reneged or spoken only in vague terms.

Theories, Rumors Abound in Natalee Holloway Case

Hidden-camera video footage surfaced last week of Twitty meeting with van der Sloot in the rat infested Castro Castro prison in Peru, imploring him to talk to her, even offering to help him.

"I want to know what happened and I want to move on, Joran," Twitty is seen telling van der Sloot, who was 17 years old at the time Holloway disappeared. "I want to move on in my life and I can't close the book."

Van der Sloot, who let Twitty do most of the talking during the portions of the tape that have been released, said in response that he has "never listened to anyone who's meant well for me."

"It's very hard for me to talk to you. It's really not easy," he says in the video, released as part of a Dutch documentary. "I've made so many bad decisions for all the wrong reasons. ... I'm really very addicted to perks, especially gambling. That's why I've told so many lies."

Twitty was left in tears at the end of the meeting with no sign that she had come any closer to finding her daughter.

There have been numerous theories about what happened to the pretty blonde teenager. Some have speculated that van der Sloot threw her body into the ocean, while others have claimed she was sold into the sex trade.

Aruban officials sent a dive team into the ocean in March after a Pennsylvania couple captured on camera what they said was an underwater shot of Holloway's remains. Forensic experts were skeptical and the search was called off after nothing was found.

Copyright © 2010 ABC News Internet Ventures


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: sharon on November 20, 2010, 07:58:27 AM
Oh yeah. What a coinky dink  ::MonkeyNoNo::  Jaw bone washes up on the beach --  strolling visitor finds it, picks it up and turns it in -- and it belongs to a young female -- and there is only 1 person that it could belong to because only 1 girl is missing on Aruba  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Okay, Frank -- the lesson 'reminder'  ::MonkeyWink::

THERE  ARE NO COINCIDENCES IN A MURDER INVESTIGATION



AVOID ARUBA AS IF YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT...IT DOES!!!

Justice for Natalee Hollway
Peace for her family and loved ones.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: sharon on November 20, 2010, 08:05:40 AM
The skank is probably sulking because Aruba wants to end the game.

What will she do with her spare time, now?  Look at the bright side skank ho -- more time to drink and be skanky.

I always wondered what 'skin' she has vested in this? Her passion -- in the form of hatred for Beth -- is so unnatural and unfounded.


What's that you say karma? Yes -- you ARE on your way.  ::MonkeyWink::

I hope today is the day Monkeys  ::MonkeyKiss:: But we are one day closer  ::piggy::

 ::HelloKitty:: ::HelloKitty:: ::HelloKitty:: ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: San on November 20, 2010, 08:38:39 AM
Oh yeah. What a coinky dink  ::MonkeyNoNo::  Jaw bone washes up on the beach --  strolling visitor finds it, picks it up and turns it in -- and it belongs to a young female -- and there is only 1 person that it could belong to because only 1 girl is missing on Aruba  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Okay, Frank -- the lesson 'reminder'  ::MonkeyWink::

THERE  ARE NO COINCIDENCES IN A MURDER INVESTIGATION



AVOID ARUBA AS IF YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT...IT DOES!!!

Justice for Natalee Hollway
Peace for her family and loved ones.

I agree.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: San on November 20, 2010, 08:40:08 AM
The skank is probably sulking because Aruba wants to end the game.

What will she do with her spare time, now?  Look at the bright side skank ho -- more time to drink and be skanky.

I always wondered what 'skin' she has vested in this? Her passion -- in the form of hatred for Beth -- is so unnatural and unfounded.


What's that you say karma? Yes -- you ARE on your way.  ::MonkeyWink::

I hope today is the day Monkeys  ::MonkeyKiss:: But we are one day closer  ::piggy::

 ::HelloKitty:: ::HelloKitty:: ::HelloKitty:: ::HelloKitty::

So true Sharon.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10
Post by: klaasend on November 20, 2010, 08:52:57 AM
I see no word yet.  We are going to be out and about today.  Will continue to check in from this bb. :-)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 20, 2010, 08:55:40 AM
Oops posted in #853 by accident.  Hard from this phone.  Ttyl


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tylergal on November 20, 2010, 09:02:26 AM
Just dropped by to say hello and to see what was up, if anything.  Have a good day and Happy Thanksgiving week to all. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: can on November 20, 2010, 09:03:54 AM
Oops posted in #853 by accident.  Hard from this phone.  Ttyl

Hi Klaas.  You'll be a whiz at it in no time.
Nice to see you checking in from time to time.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: can on November 20, 2010, 09:07:14 AM
Just dropped by to say hello and to see what was up, if anything.  Have a good day and Happy Thanksgiving week to all. 

Hi Tylergal.  You have a good day too.

So hoping we get the answer from Aruba today we're waiting for...TODAY!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: San on November 20, 2010, 09:29:21 AM
Just dropped by to say hello and to see what was up, if anything.  Have a good day and Happy Thanksgiving week to all. 

Hi Tyler, we are here waiting for the announcement of the test results if it is Natalee's jawbone or not.

Happy Thanksgiving to you too.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Red on November 20, 2010, 10:38:22 AM
Just dropped by to say hello and to see what was up, if anything.  Have a good day and Happy Thanksgiving week to all. 

Hi Tyler, we are here waiting for the announcement of the test results if it is Natalee's jawbone or not.

Happy Thanksgiving to you too.

Morning all ...

I would also find it hard to believe that they do not know one way or the other whether the jaw belongs to Natalee or not. The fact that there has been no word yet leads me to believe that it is and the Dutch/Arubans have to get their ducks in a row and strategize damage control.

If the news is yes then this is going to begin a media frenzy and many will have egg on their face and blood on their hands.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Blue Moon on November 20, 2010, 10:52:06 AM
Just dropped by to say hello and to see what was up, if anything.  Have a good day and Happy Thanksgiving week to all. 

Hi Tyler, we are here waiting for the announcement of the test results if it is Natalee's jawbone or not.

Happy Thanksgiving to you too.

Morning all ...

I would also find it hard to believe that they do not know one way or the other whether the jaw belongs to Natalee or not. The fact that there has been no word yet leads me to believe that it is and the Dutch/Arubans have to get their ducks in a row and strategize damage control.

If the news is yes then this is going to begin a media frenzy and many will have egg on their face and blood on their hands.

So true Red.  Blood on their hands-----we have known from day 1 WHO those people were.

I am so tied in knots over this.  I cannot imagine how Beth and Dave and Matt are handling it. 

Aruba-----hand her over NOW.  Face the consequences for what you have done to Natalee and her family.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Blue Moon on November 20, 2010, 10:53:47 AM
Klaas,  the BB is hard to get use to trying to log in and type and post.  I finally got it down pat and then our company blocked my email and blogs so I just went out and got me an Android with 3G and no one can tell me now what I can and cannot look at on my phone.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: San on November 20, 2010, 10:55:14 AM
Just dropped by to say hello and to see what was up, if anything.  Have a good day and Happy Thanksgiving week to all. 

Hi Tyler, we are here waiting for the announcement of the test results if it is Natalee's jawbone or not.

Happy Thanksgiving to you too.

Morning all ...

I would also find it hard to believe that they do not know one way or the other whether the jaw belongs to Natalee or not. The fact that there has been no word yet leads me to believe that it is and the Dutch/Arubans have to get their ducks in a row and strategize damage control.

If the news is yes then this is going to begin a media frenzy and many will have egg on their face and blood on their hands.

I agree Red.  But you know they will deny deny deny.  The timing is perfect.  It's our Holiday to make an announcement like they did so many times before, Paulus is dead and Joran is a dead man walking.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Rob on November 20, 2010, 10:55:36 AM
Just dropped by to say hello and to see what was up, if anything.  Have a good day and Happy Thanksgiving week to all. 

Hi Tyler, we are here waiting for the announcement of the test results if it is Natalee's jawbone or not.

Happy Thanksgiving to you too.

Morning all ...

I would also find it hard to believe that they do not know one way or the other whether the jaw belongs to Natalee or not. The fact that there has been no word yet leads me to believe that it is and the Dutch/Arubans have to get their ducks in a row and strategize damage control.

If the news is yes then this is going to begin a media frenzy and many will have egg on their face and blood on their hands.

Right.. I was thinking the same thing. I think we all are.

Holland has had soldiers killed in Afghanistan in IDE explosions. What, the families of those killed sit around and wait weeks for ID while the bones sit in a bone drawer. Me thinks no.??

It's probably damage control. Afterall, these idiots won't even search their own island.  ::MonkeyShovel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 20, 2010, 11:00:02 AM
Just dropped by to say hello and to see what was up, if anything.  Have a good day and Happy Thanksgiving week to all. 

Hi Tyler, we are here waiting for the announcement of the test results if it is Natalee's jawbone or not.

Happy Thanksgiving to you too.

Morning all ...

I would also find it hard to believe that they do not know one way or the other whether the jaw belongs to Natalee or not. The fact that there has been no word yet leads me to believe that it is and the Dutch/Arubans have to get their ducks in a row and strategize damage control.

If the news is yes then this is going to begin a media frenzy and many will have egg on their face and blood on their hands.

I agree, Red.   ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Rob on November 20, 2010, 11:01:09 AM
Everytime Aruba tried damage control they ended up looking like incompetent immoral rejects. But that won't stop 'em...again.

Face it, there is no story that the world will believe other than Joran killed Natalee with the help of the Kalpoes and Paulus and Steve Croes helped disappear her body. That's it - go with the truth.

Admit there was a conspiracy if this is Natalee and put the whole mess to rest once and for all.

That won't happen, and Aruba will be ripped from one hemisphere to another and deservedly so.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 20, 2010, 11:06:46 AM
Very little news at all since last night, nothing on 24ora (odd imo).

Cigar shop broken into and robbed.

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=5340&offId=0

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/5340/2_1290267902.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

6 hora happen | fecha: 20/11/2010 | horario: 05:41

ladronnan owing to break enter steal computer important y several ciga of cohiba at the mill

saturday madruga owing to enter informe of kiebro y ladronicia at cohiba at the mill, at once owing to dirigi one patrol at the sitio. at arrival of the patrol owing to come constata cu ladronnan owing to break the door principal y owing to bay cu one laptop y also several ciga plant, lora y paqueta at aruba self. the owner not can owing to tell exactamento cuanto but during day the will haci one inventory for so saca afor all locual cu the ladronnan owing to take away. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 20, 2010, 11:08:13 AM
Can we assume none of them work on the weekend?    ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 20, 2010, 11:10:49 AM
Everytime Aruba tried damage control they ended up looking like incompetent immoral rejects. But that won't stop 'em...again.

Face it, there is no story that the world will believe other than Joran killed Natalee with the help of the Kalpoes and Paulus and Steve Croes helped disappear her body. That's it - go with the truth.

Admit there was a conspiracy if this is Natalee and put the whole mess to rest once and for all.

That won't happen, and Aruba will be ripped from one hemisphere to another and deservedly so.

I agree, except I'm thinking there were a few more involved. 

Koen wasn't sleeping with mommy and daddy and diving behind the couch for no reason, imo.

And there's a much longer list for the conspiracy to cover it all up!

JMO



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: AZSunny on November 20, 2010, 11:28:04 AM
I wonder what the Kalpoe's are doing today?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: AZSunny on November 20, 2010, 11:28:54 AM
We just don't understand their system!   ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 20, 2010, 11:34:02 AM
Morning All…
Thanks again to all of you Monkeys for help with maps and timelines on the Jetty Theory.  I know that some of you are not buying it but then again it is just a theory and one of many.
I don’t mean to rattle the cage and this is not directed at anyone just my thoughts so please keep in mind this is not an argument it is a discussion.  It’s been a long 5.5 yrs for all of us but we get more bananas working together!
I just don’t think that mandible was planted.  My questions and reasons are:
1)   Why now? Aruba has never given one iota of a care as to what Beth says or does.  If the mandible is Natalee’s then they will have to face the situation and that’s not going to make it go away. It just brings it to the forefront with a lot of explaining to do on their part. It shows GUILT and that isn’t in their best interest. There is no gain for Aruba to plant the mandible. 
 “Where is the rest of her?” Those are headlines that they do not want. 

2)   The Extradition Theory - Joran/ Peru – I originally asked what the protocol would be on the charges and it was brought to our attention that Peru does not have an extradition treaty with Aruba or the Neitherlands and those officials know that.  So the theory of planting the mandible to gain extradition of Joran from Peru to Aruba or the Neitherlands is zilch.

3)    Someone asked how the mandible could have washed ashore when there are no shells that washed up at that time in that area.  It’s a good question and can be explained coinciding with the Jetty Theory.

(If the storm caused a hydraulic (a swirl of the water) next to the jetty it would create a pressure - sort of like a blender.  That pressure can create a vacuum and if it was close enough it could pull things into it and spin or spit them out into the ocean.  Since the ocean is shallow in that area with jetties on both sides the item would wash in with the tide.) shallow being the optimum word here – Anything from deep sea that washes ashore between those jetties has to rise above the sea wall first that is why that part of the beach is so clean.

4)   Vs. the Crab trap theory – I don’t believe the crab trap theory because of the timeline.  They only had approx 1.5 hours.

 (from the SM timeline 1:45 leaving C&C’s to Approx 3:35 Joran’s Computer Document.  This gives them 1 hour and 50 minutes to: Leave C&C’s, drive around, kill her, dispose of the body and return home.  If you take off 10 minutes off driving time and 10 minutes to get home and on the computer they would have only had an hour and a half)

With the Crab trap theory they would have to kill her, panic, figure out a plan, call for a boat, break into the fisherman’s hut, put her in the trap, carry the trap to meet up with the boat, go far out to sea and return home in that time.  I don’t see that fitting with the timeline.

I’m not happy with TM for his last remarks on Watts-Up but he did a lot of hard work on this case and I know he would not collude with the Arubans on any type of a cover up.  Just because someone can electronically superimpose a photo of Natalee in the trap to try to make us “see” this theory does not make it so.  Seeing has become believing in this case but I personally am just not convinced.

5)   The Anita plant Theory: Please – What Mother would ever do something like that knowing that it would show cause to believe her son murdered Natalee?  Anita is in denial.  She’s not going to hand us proof. And according to recent reports prior to the mandible Peru may only sentence Joran to 6 yrs.  She reads and keeps up with all of this just like the rest of us she probably knew that before we did. There would be no good outcome or reason for her to plant the Mandible.

6)   The Kalpoe plant Theory: No way, especially with the Dr. Phil court date looming up in Feb. they don’t want any kind of news that will implicate them.

I just don’t think that mandible was planted.  It’s more likely they buried Natalee in one of those jetties and a part broke loose and washed ashore.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 20, 2010, 11:35:48 AM
I wonder what the Kalpoe's are doing today?

Probably having major discussions (well as major as they can be for Kalpoe's anyway...)about how totally f'd they're gonna be!
 ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 20, 2010, 11:36:35 AM
Can we assume none of them work on the weekend?    ::MonkeyRoll::

Or when there's a box of Frosted Flakes tempting them.   :roll:

I respectfully disagree about the PR damage control. Identifying the bone as Natalee's is a step in the right direction, IMO. It's not like the world doesn't know she's dead and was murdered on Aruba. Joran's latest victim in Peru sealed that up for any doubters. If Aruba admits this bone is hers, then it's a tiny step in showing the world they won't hide something and are not corrupt. They would then need to do a search to find the rest of the remains, but that would be the best effort to attempt to restore their image. That path has the most potential for positive spin. At this point they can "assume" she went for a swim and drowned or simply stick with "There's not enough evidence to persue the case"  or even "We need to bring charges against Joran, but geee, Peru won't let us have him." 

Coming out and announcing it's NOT Natalee is what would bring a lot more criticism in my book. JMHO.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 20, 2010, 11:37:54 AM
There have been at least a few major storms in Aruba since 2005.  

Tomas was not the first.

Just sayin'.

BBL!  


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 20, 2010, 11:41:59 AM
Sorry......... I need to modify that last post of mine. I'm not sure my opinions about the PR control disagrees with anybody elses. I need more coffee............ sorry!!! 


MAY THIS THREAD BE THE ONE THAT WITNESSES NATALEE COMING HOME!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on November 20, 2010, 11:42:53 AM
I wonder what the Kalpoe's are doing today?

Probably doing another underwear check.   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on November 20, 2010, 11:44:29 AM
  (snip)

MAY THIS THREAD BE THE ONE THAT WITNESSES NATALEE COMING HOME!!!

 ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 20, 2010, 11:56:52 AM
Sorry......... I need to modify that last post of mine. I'm not sure my opinions about the PR control disagrees with anybody elses. I need more coffee............ sorry!!! 


MAY THIS THREAD BE THE ONE THAT WITNESSES NATALEE COMING HOME!!!
Can you imagine how many cups of coffee are consumed on this forum!  Folgers and Maxwell should be paying you guys! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on November 20, 2010, 12:10:53 PM
Sorry......... I need to modify that last post of mine. I'm not sure my opinions about the PR control disagrees with anybody elses. I need more coffee............ sorry!!! 


MAY THIS THREAD BE THE ONE THAT WITNESSES NATALEE COMING HOME!!!
Can you imagine how many cups of coffee are consumed on this forum!  Folgers and Maxwell should be paying you guys! ::MonkeyHaHa::

I'll drink to that (http://bestsmileys.com/coffee/2.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 20, 2010, 12:14:07 PM
 In the previous thread monkeys were talking about a candle light vigil from the past.  How or who starts those and could we start one in the light of hope of new evidence?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Red on November 20, 2010, 12:26:46 PM
I wonder what the Kalpoe's are doing today?

If this jawbone tursn out to be the remains of Natalee Holloway, I wonder just how quick the Kalpoe's will go into hiding. More so than usual.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: can on November 20, 2010, 12:30:07 PM
Hi Rob - nice to see you.

I wish we knew if the tests have been completed and sent to Aruba.

Red, do you think Jossy would know?



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 20, 2010, 12:36:18 PM
I wonder what the Kalpoe's are doing today?

If this jawbone tursn out to be the remains of Natalee Holloway, I wonder just how quick the Kalpoe's will go into hiding. More so than usual.

That door can swing both ways - How fast can they turn on Joran!  ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10
Post by: KatzHome on November 20, 2010, 12:36:30 PM
I see no word yet.  We are going to be out and about today.  Will continue to check in from this bb. :-)

Good morning everyone! And hope you are having a good "vacation" Klaas! ::MonkeyWink::

That is such a BEAUTIFUL photo of Natalee...  ::MonkeyAngel::

I'm sitting here with tears in my eyes, waiting and praying... I've never stopped praying that Natalee's remains be found... So hoping for Beth and Dave that Natalee one day be brought home... So much hope and trust in the Lord that this is finally the time...


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: KatzHome on November 20, 2010, 12:38:48 PM
Just dropped by to say hello and to see what was up, if anything.  Have a good day and Happy Thanksgiving week to all. 

Hi Tyler, we are here waiting for the announcement of the test results if it is Natalee's jawbone or not.

Happy Thanksgiving to you too.

Morning all ...

I would also find it hard to believe that they do not know one way or the other whether the jaw belongs to Natalee or not. The fact that there has been no word yet leads me to believe that it is and the Dutch/Arubans have to get their ducks in a row and strategize damage control.

If the news is yes then this is going to begin a media frenzy and many will have egg on their face and blood on their hands.

Yeah, Red, I agree...

And Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours too!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 20, 2010, 12:40:26 PM
What if they decide that even if they can't prosecute Joran at this time but they can charge the Kalpoes - That would be a total game changer for them don't you think?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: antunym on November 20, 2010, 12:41:13 PM
I wonder what the Kalpoe's are doing today?

If this jawbone tursn out to be the remains of Natalee Holloway, I wonder just how quick the Kalpoe's will go into hiding. More so than usual.

It would be interesting to find out what the remains of Natalee will bring to light with what happened that last night she was with these creeps.. Maybe a skull fracture??  I wonder if there are any searches in progress there where the jaw bone was found.  Whether it was Natalee's or not, one would think there would be a thorough investigation going on in that area... but then again I'm talking about Aruba  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: antunym on November 20, 2010, 12:44:54 PM
I wonder what the Kalpoe's are doing today?

If this jawbone tursn out to be the remains of Natalee Holloway, I wonder just how quick the Kalpoe's will go into hiding. More so than usual.

That door can swing both ways - How fast can they turn on Joran!  ::MonkeyJnBox::

Them dumb a$$'s better hurry up and talk before he pulls his lies on them first


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Rob on November 20, 2010, 12:46:19 PM
Hi Rob - nice to see you.

I wish we knew if the tests have been completed and sent to Aruba.

Red, do you think Jossy would know?



nice to see you too, can.

I think the tests have been completed. It can't take more than 30 minutes to over-lay the electronic images with the images created of the new jaw bone. jmo.

even if teeth are missing - you can still see if the jaw bone alignment is a match.

This isn't super complicated.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lifesong on November 20, 2010, 12:47:03 PM

My hope is that Blanken notifies Natalee's family and gives them a day or two to absorb the news before releasing it to the world.

My prayer is that this is why they are waiting over the weekend to release any news.

My knowledge of the past behavior of the OM's office reminds me this is likely not the case.

Still... I pray.





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 20, 2010, 12:48:19 PM
I wonder what the Kalpoe's are doing today?

If this jawbone tursn out to be the remains of Natalee Holloway, I wonder just how quick the Kalpoe's will go into hiding. More so than usual.

It would be interesting to find out what the remains of Natalee will bring to light with what happened that last night she was with these creeps.. Maybe a skull fracture??  I wonder if there are any searches in progress there where the jaw bone was found.  Whether it was Natalee's or not, one would think there would be a thorough investigation going on in that area... but then again I'm talking about Aruba  ::MonkeyNoNo::
According to Jinkasauras no one is doing any searches they are all just waiting like us.  That's so sad ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 20, 2010, 12:51:40 PM

My hope is that Blanken notifies Natalee's family and gives them a day or two to absorb the news before releasing it to the world.

My prayer is that this is why they are waiting over the weekend to release any news.

My knowledge of the past behavior of the OM's office reminds me this is likely not the case.

Still... I pray.




  At the very least that would be the respectful thing to do but Aruba has never shown any respect for Beth or the Holloways. It would be nice to see the tables turn and they deserve that much! ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 20, 2010, 12:53:43 PM
I wonder what the Kalpoe's are doing today?

If this jawbone tursn out to be the remains of Natalee Holloway, I wonder just how quick the Kalpoe's will go into hiding. More so than usual.

That door can swing both ways - How fast can they turn on Joran!  ::MonkeyJnBox::

Them dumb a$$'s better hurry up and talk before he pulls his lies on them first
I would lay money that the Kalpoes would turn before Joran does.  He's not going to admit that he's scared it's not his nature.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: wreck on November 20, 2010, 12:53:44 PM
Morning All…
Thanks again to all of you Monkeys for help with maps and timelines on the Jetty Theory.  I know that some of you are not buying it but then again it is just a theory and one of many.
I don’t mean to rattle the cage and this is not directed at anyone just my thoughts so please keep in mind this is not an argument it is a discussion.  It’s been a long 5.5 yrs for all of us but we get more bananas working together!
I just don’t think that mandible was planted.  My questions and reasons are:
1)   Why now? Aruba has never given one iota of a care as to what Beth says or does.  If the mandible is Natalee’s then they will have to face the situation and that’s not going to make it go away. It just brings it to the forefront with a lot of explaining to do on their part. It shows GUILT and that isn’t in their best interest. There is no gain for Aruba to plant the mandible. 
 “Where is the rest of her?” Those are headlines that they do not want. 

2)   The Extradition Theory - Joran/ Peru – I originally asked what the protocol would be on the charges and it was brought to our attention that Peru does not have an extradition treaty with Aruba or the Neitherlands and those officials know that.  So the theory of planting the mandible to gain extradition of Joran from Peru to Aruba or the Neitherlands is zilch.

3)    Someone asked how the mandible could have washed ashore when there are no shells that washed up at that time in that area.  It’s a good question and can be explained coinciding with the Jetty Theory.

(If the storm caused a hydraulic (a swirl of the water) next to the jetty it would create a pressure - sort of like a blender.  That pressure can create a vacuum and if it was close enough it could pull things into it and spin or spit them out into the ocean.  Since the ocean is shallow in that area with jetties on both sides the item would wash in with the tide.) shallow being the optimum word here – Anything from deep sea that washes ashore between those jetties has to rise above the sea wall first that is why that part of the beach is so clean.

4)   Vs. the Crab trap theory – I don’t believe the crab trap theory because of the timeline.  They only had approx 1.5 hours.

 (from the SM timeline 1:45 leaving C&C’s to Approx 3:35 Joran’s Computer Document.  This gives them 1 hour and 50 minutes to: Leave C&C’s, drive around, kill her, dispose of the body and return home.  If you take off 10 minutes off driving time and 10 minutes to get home and on the computer they would have only had an hour and a half)

With the Crab trap theory they would have to kill her, panic, figure out a plan, call for a boat, break into the fisherman’s hut, put her in the trap, carry the trap to meet up with the boat, go far out to sea and return home in that time.  I don’t see that fitting with the timeline.

I’m not happy with TM for his last remarks on Watts-Up but he did a lot of hard work on this case and I know he would not collude with the Arubans on any type of a cover up.  Just because someone can electronically superimpose a photo of Natalee in the trap to try to make us “see” this theory does not make it so.  Seeing has become believing in this case but I personally am just not convinced.

5)   The Anita plant Theory: Please – What Mother would ever do something like that knowing that it would show cause to believe her son murdered Natalee?  Anita is in denial.  She’s not going to hand us proof. And according to recent reports prior to the mandible Peru may only sentence Joran to 6 yrs.  She reads and keeps up with all of this just like the rest of us she probably knew that before we did. There would be no good outcome or reason for her to plant the Mandible.

6)   The Kalpoe plant Theory: No way, especially with the Dr. Phil court date looming up in Feb. they don’t want any kind of news that will implicate them.

I just don’t think that mandible was planted.  It’s more likely they buried Natalee in one of those jetties and a part broke loose and washed ashore.

I disagree with point # 4. You are assuming Natalee was put in that trap on the night of May 30th. Many of us believe she was put there days later.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: can on November 20, 2010, 12:53:46 PM
Hi Rob - nice to see you.

I wish we knew if the tests have been completed and sent to Aruba.

Red, do you think Jossy would know?



nice to see you too, can.

I think the tests have been completed. It can't take more than 30 minutes to over-lay the electronic images with the images created of the new jaw bone. jmo.

even if teeth are missing - you can still see if the jaw bone alignment is a match.

This isn't super complicated.

Thanks and I agree Rob. 
According to Jinkasaurus, Pros. office are on stand-by around the clock.

What's the hold-up?!   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: wreck on November 20, 2010, 12:55:11 PM
Hi Rob - nice to see you.

I wish we knew if the tests have been completed and sent to Aruba.

Red, do you think Jossy would know?



nice to see you too, can.

I think the tests have been completed. It can't take more than 30 minutes to over-lay the electronic images with the images created of the new jaw bone. jmo.

even if teeth are missing - you can still see if the jaw bone alignment is a match.

This isn't super complicated.

Thanks and I agree Rob. 
According to Jinkasaurus, Pros. office are on stand-by around the clock.

What's the hold-up?!   ::MonkeyNoNo::
They KNOW. If it wasn't her -- they would screaming to rafters.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 20, 2010, 12:58:42 PM
Morning All…
Thanks again to all of you Monkeys for help with maps and timelines on the Jetty Theory.  I know that some of you are not buying it but then again it is just a theory and one of many.
I don’t mean to rattle the cage and this is not directed at anyone just my thoughts so please keep in mind this is not an argument it is a discussion.  It’s been a long 5.5 yrs for all of us but we get more bananas working together!
I just don’t think that mandible was planted.  My questions and reasons are:
1)   Why now? Aruba has never given one iota of a care as to what Beth says or does.  If the mandible is Natalee’s then they will have to face the situation and that’s not going to make it go away. It just brings it to the forefront with a lot of explaining to do on their part. It shows GUILT and that isn’t in their best interest. There is no gain for Aruba to plant the mandible. 
 “Where is the rest of her?” Those are headlines that they do not want. 

2)   The Extradition Theory - Joran/ Peru – I originally asked what the protocol would be on the charges and it was brought to our attention that Peru does not have an extradition treaty with Aruba or the Neitherlands and those officials know that.  So the theory of planting the mandible to gain extradition of Joran from Peru to Aruba or the Neitherlands is zilch.

3)    Someone asked how the mandible could have washed ashore when there are no shells that washed up at that time in that area.  It’s a good question and can be explained coinciding with the Jetty Theory.

(If the storm caused a hydraulic (a swirl of the water) next to the jetty it would create a pressure - sort of like a blender.  That pressure can create a vacuum and if it was close enough it could pull things into it and spin or spit them out into the ocean.  Since the ocean is shallow in that area with jetties on both sides the item would wash in with the tide.) shallow being the optimum word here – Anything from deep sea that washes ashore between those jetties has to rise above the sea wall first that is why that part of the beach is so clean.

4)   Vs. the Crab trap theory – I don’t believe the crab trap theory because of the timeline.  They only had approx 1.5 hours.

 (from the SM timeline 1:45 leaving C&C’s to Approx 3:35 Joran’s Computer Document.  This gives them 1 hour and 50 minutes to: Leave C&C’s, drive around, kill her, dispose of the body and return home.  If you take off 10 minutes off driving time and 10 minutes to get home and on the computer they would have only had an hour and a half)

With the Crab trap theory they would have to kill her, panic, figure out a plan, call for a boat, break into the fisherman’s hut, put her in the trap, carry the trap to meet up with the boat, go far out to sea and return home in that time.  I don’t see that fitting with the timeline.

I’m not happy with TM for his last remarks on Watts-Up but he did a lot of hard work on this case and I know he would not collude with the Arubans on any type of a cover up.  Just because someone can electronically superimpose a photo of Natalee in the trap to try to make us “see” this theory does not make it so.  Seeing has become believing in this case but I personally am just not convinced.

5)   The Anita plant Theory: Please – What Mother would ever do something like that knowing that it would show cause to believe her son murdered Natalee?  Anita is in denial.  She’s not going to hand us proof. And according to recent reports prior to the mandible Peru may only sentence Joran to 6 yrs.  She reads and keeps up with all of this just like the rest of us she probably knew that before we did. There would be no good outcome or reason for her to plant the Mandible.

6)   The Kalpoe plant Theory: No way, especially with the Dr. Phil court date looming up in Feb. they don’t want any kind of news that will implicate them.

I just don’t think that mandible was planted.  It’s more likely they buried Natalee in one of those jetties and a part broke loose and washed ashore.

I disagree with point # 4. You are assuming Natalee was put in that trap on the night of May 30th. Many of us believe she was put there days later.
Okay so what is the theory on how many days later and where was she kept in the mean time?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: can on November 20, 2010, 12:59:12 PM
Hi Rob - nice to see you.

I wish we knew if the tests have been completed and sent to Aruba.

Red, do you think Jossy would know?



nice to see you too, can.

I think the tests have been completed. It can't take more than 30 minutes to over-lay the electronic images with the images created of the new jaw bone. jmo.

even if teeth are missing - you can still see if the jaw bone alignment is a match.

This isn't super complicated.

Thanks and I agree Rob. 
According to Jinkasaurus, Pros. office are on stand-by around the clock.

What's the hold-up?!   ::MonkeyNoNo::
They KNOW. If it wasn't her -- they would screaming to rafters.

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Rob on November 20, 2010, 01:02:42 PM
I've had alot of theories about what happened to Natalee and where it happened. I eventually became convinced that whatever it was it happened at the Sloot's.

I did have one theory I posted about that still seems to ring true in my mind, and with all these new developments - well, I can't help but remember it.

As we all remember the last known point of any sighting was the LaCabana area heading north. Right after LaCabana is the bird sanctuary. I, at one time, suggested that these idiots may have entered the bird sanctuary and killed Natalee there. There are no cameras and it is secluded. This is where Deepak said to turn off the overhead porn on DVD.

When committing a crime like this you don't do it on the beach where someone can see you - you need privacy. They could have easily pulled into the bird sanctuary and committed this crime. There are some gates that open and close with a swinging arm type gate, but for the most part - it's not a very secured location. I think someone could enter at night and not be seen. There is high grass and that would obscure view.

If they left CnC at 1:08 am and ended up at the Sloot house at 1:40 - that leaves enough time to kill Natalee and run to Paulus.

One part that always seemed off or odd if you will - why would the Kalpoes load a dead girl into their car and chance all that blood all over the place. In my mind it is more likely that the crime must have taken place in the car due to the amount of blood the FBI said they observed. And we all know that there was something as it turned to chocolate and cleaning fluid.

So, if they were at the Sloots, it's unlikely that they re-loaded Natalee into their car, but may have taken a deceased Natalee to the Sloots after an assault at the bird sanctuary.

Paulus' and Anita's cars being confiscated makes sense that the crime may have occurred somewhere else and then one of those vehicles may have been used to move her once again - perhaps back to the bird sanctuary, or maybe Natalee was scattered around.

I guess there are thoughts that can lead you to believe that this crime could have happened in a number of places.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: wreck on November 20, 2010, 01:03:41 PM
Morning All…
Thanks again to all of you Monkeys for help with maps and timelines on the Jetty Theory.  I know that some of you are not buying it but then again it is just a theory and one of many.
I don’t mean to rattle the cage and this is not directed at anyone just my thoughts so please keep in mind this is not an argument it is a discussion.  It’s been a long 5.5 yrs for all of us but we get more bananas working together!
I just don’t think that mandible was planted.  My questions and reasons are:
1)   Why now? Aruba has never given one iota of a care as to what Beth says or does.  If the mandible is Natalee’s then they will have to face the situation and that’s not going to make it go away. It just brings it to the forefront with a lot of explaining to do on their part. It shows GUILT and that isn’t in their best interest. There is no gain for Aruba to plant the mandible. 
 “Where is the rest of her?” Those are headlines that they do not want. 

2)   The Extradition Theory - Joran/ Peru – I originally asked what the protocol would be on the charges and it was brought to our attention that Peru does not have an extradition treaty with Aruba or the Neitherlands and those officials know that.  So the theory of planting the mandible to gain extradition of Joran from Peru to Aruba or the Neitherlands is zilch.

3)    Someone asked how the mandible could have washed ashore when there are no shells that washed up at that time in that area.  It’s a good question and can be explained coinciding with the Jetty Theory.

(If the storm caused a hydraulic (a swirl of the water) next to the jetty it would create a pressure - sort of like a blender.  That pressure can create a vacuum and if it was close enough it could pull things into it and spin or spit them out into the ocean.  Since the ocean is shallow in that area with jetties on both sides the item would wash in with the tide.) shallow being the optimum word here – Anything from deep sea that washes ashore between those jetties has to rise above the sea wall first that is why that part of the beach is so clean.

4)   Vs. the Crab trap theory – I don’t believe the crab trap theory because of the timeline.  They only had approx 1.5 hours.

 (from the SM timeline 1:45 leaving C&C’s to Approx 3:35 Joran’s Computer Document.  This gives them 1 hour and 50 minutes to: Leave C&C’s, drive around, kill her, dispose of the body and return home.  If you take off 10 minutes off driving time and 10 minutes to get home and on the computer they would have only had an hour and a half)

With the Crab trap theory they would have to kill her, panic, figure out a plan, call for a boat, break into the fisherman’s hut, put her in the trap, carry the trap to meet up with the boat, go far out to sea and return home in that time.  I don’t see that fitting with the timeline.

I’m not happy with TM for his last remarks on Watts-Up but he did a lot of hard work on this case and I know he would not collude with the Arubans on any type of a cover up.  Just because someone can electronically superimpose a photo of Natalee in the trap to try to make us “see” this theory does not make it so.  Seeing has become believing in this case but I personally am just not convinced.

5)   The Anita plant Theory: Please – What Mother would ever do something like that knowing that it would show cause to believe her son murdered Natalee?  Anita is in denial.  She’s not going to hand us proof. And according to recent reports prior to the mandible Peru may only sentence Joran to 6 yrs.  She reads and keeps up with all of this just like the rest of us she probably knew that before we did. There would be no good outcome or reason for her to plant the Mandible.

6)   The Kalpoe plant Theory: No way, especially with the Dr. Phil court date looming up in Feb. they don’t want any kind of news that will implicate them.

I just don’t think that mandible was planted.  It’s more likely they buried Natalee in one of those jetties and a part broke loose and washed ashore.

I disagree with point # 4. You are assuming Natalee was put in that trap on the night of May 30th. Many of us believe she was put there days later.
Okay so what is the theory on how many days later and where was she kept in the mean time?
They had 10 days before they were arrested. Many of us think she was buried in a temporary grave and then disposed of by Paulus and/or ALE.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lifesong on November 20, 2010, 01:05:21 PM

I agree with you, Wreck, as to Lisa in MD's point #4.

Also:

All the signs point to the Gottenboes' boat being used in the disposal at sea.

I tend to think that Steve Croes, a thoroughly self-serving opportunist, merely thought he'd be paid handsomely by Deepak (using Paulus' money) to supply the eyewitness report to a Holiday Inn dropoff that never happened.


JMO and only MO


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: antunym on November 20, 2010, 01:08:46 PM
I wonder what the Kalpoe's are doing today?

If this jawbone tursn out to be the remains of Natalee Holloway, I wonder just how quick the Kalpoe's will go into hiding. More so than usual.

That door can swing both ways - How fast can they turn on Joran!  ::MonkeyJnBox::

Them dumb a$$'s better hurry up and talk before he pulls his lies on them first
I would lay money that the Kalpoes would turn before Joran does.  He's not going to admit that he's scared it's not his nature.

I'm amazed they haven't said anything yet to try to clear their name


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Rob on November 20, 2010, 01:08:57 PM

My hope is that Blanken notifies Natalee's family and gives them a day or two to absorb the news before releasing it to the world.

My prayer is that this is why they are waiting over the weekend to release any news.

My knowledge of the past behavior of the OM's office reminds me this is likely not the case.

Still... I pray.





somehow... I think the announcement will come on Wednesday night - right before thanksgiving. That's how they roll....that gives them a news blackout, basically.

maybe I'm wrong.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 20, 2010, 01:10:44 PM
Morning All…
Thanks again to all of you Monkeys for help with maps and timelines on the Jetty Theory.  I know that some of you are not buying it but then again it is just a theory and one of many.
I don’t mean to rattle the cage and this is not directed at anyone just my thoughts so please keep in mind this is not an argument it is a discussion.  It’s been a long 5.5 yrs for all of us but we get more bananas working together!
I just don’t think that mandible was planted.  My questions and reasons are:
1)   Why now? Aruba has never given one iota of a care as to what Beth says or does.  If the mandible is Natalee’s then they will have to face the situation and that’s not going to make it go away. It just brings it to the forefront with a lot of explaining to do on their part. It shows GUILT and that isn’t in their best interest. There is no gain for Aruba to plant the mandible. 
 “Where is the rest of her?” Those are headlines that they do not want. 

2)   The Extradition Theory - Joran/ Peru – I originally asked what the protocol would be on the charges and it was brought to our attention that Peru does not have an extradition treaty with Aruba or the Neitherlands and those officials know that.  So the theory of planting the mandible to gain extradition of Joran from Peru to Aruba or the Neitherlands is zilch.

3)    Someone asked how the mandible could have washed ashore when there are no shells that washed up at that time in that area.  It’s a good question and can be explained coinciding with the Jetty Theory.

(If the storm caused a hydraulic (a swirl of the water) next to the jetty it would create a pressure - sort of like a blender.  That pressure can create a vacuum and if it was close enough it could pull things into it and spin or spit them out into the ocean.  Since the ocean is shallow in that area with jetties on both sides the item would wash in with the tide.) shallow being the optimum word here – Anything from deep sea that washes ashore between those jetties has to rise above the sea wall first that is why that part of the beach is so clean.

4)   Vs. the Crab trap theory – I don’t believe the crab trap theory because of the timeline.  They only had approx 1.5 hours.

 (from the SM timeline 1:45 leaving C&C’s to Approx 3:35 Joran’s Computer Document.  This gives them 1 hour and 50 minutes to: Leave C&C’s, drive around, kill her, dispose of the body and return home.  If you take off 10 minutes off driving time and 10 minutes to get home and on the computer they would have only had an hour and a half)

With the Crab trap theory they would have to kill her, panic, figure out a plan, call for a boat, break into the fisherman’s hut, put her in the trap, carry the trap to meet up with the boat, go far out to sea and return home in that time.  I don’t see that fitting with the timeline.

I’m not happy with TM for his last remarks on Watts-Up but he did a lot of hard work on this case and I know he would not collude with the Arubans on any type of a cover up.  Just because someone can electronically superimpose a photo of Natalee in the trap to try to make us “see” this theory does not make it so.  Seeing has become believing in this case but I personally am just not convinced.

5)   The Anita plant Theory: Please – What Mother would ever do something like that knowing that it would show cause to believe her son murdered Natalee?  Anita is in denial.  She’s not going to hand us proof. And according to recent reports prior to the mandible Peru may only sentence Joran to 6 yrs.  She reads and keeps up with all of this just like the rest of us she probably knew that before we did. There would be no good outcome or reason for her to plant the Mandible.

6)   The Kalpoe plant Theory: No way, especially with the Dr. Phil court date looming up in Feb. they don’t want any kind of news that will implicate them.

I just don’t think that mandible was planted.  It’s more likely they buried Natalee in one of those jetties and a part broke loose and washed ashore.

I disagree with point # 4. You are assuming Natalee was put in that trap on the night of May 30th. Many of us believe she was put there days later.
Okay so what is the theory on how many days later and where was she kept in the mean time?
They had 10 days before they were arrested. Many of us think she was buried in a temporary grave and then disposed of by Paulus and/or ALE.
Well, That could be because I do agree there was a cover up but, I am not discarding the Jetty Theory.  Did anyone get demensions on that trap? and how far out was it found?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 20, 2010, 01:31:01 PM
Morning All…
Thanks again to all of you Monkeys for help with maps and timelines on the Jetty Theory.  I know that some of you are not buying it but then again it is just a theory and one of many.
I don’t mean to rattle the cage and this is not directed at anyone just my thoughts so please keep in mind this is not an argument it is a discussion.  It’s been a long 5.5 yrs for all of us but we get more bananas working together!
I just don’t think that mandible was planted.  My questions and reasons are:
1)   Why now? Aruba has never given one iota of a care as to what Beth says or does.  If the mandible is Natalee’s then they will have to face the situation and that’s not going to make it go away. It just brings it to the forefront with a lot of explaining to do on their part. It shows GUILT and that isn’t in their best interest. There is no gain for Aruba to plant the mandible. 
 “Where is the rest of her?” Those are headlines that they do not want. 

2)   The Extradition Theory - Joran/ Peru – I originally asked what the protocol would be on the charges and it was brought to our attention that Peru does not have an extradition treaty with Aruba or the Neitherlands and those officials know that.  So the theory of planting the mandible to gain extradition of Joran from Peru to Aruba or the Neitherlands is zilch.

3)    Someone asked how the mandible could have washed ashore when there are no shells that washed up at that time in that area.  It’s a good question and can be explained coinciding with the Jetty Theory.

(If the storm caused a hydraulic (a swirl of the water) next to the jetty it would create a pressure - sort of like a blender.  That pressure can create a vacuum and if it was close enough it could pull things into it and spin or spit them out into the ocean.  Since the ocean is shallow in that area with jetties on both sides the item would wash in with the tide.) shallow being the optimum word here – Anything from deep sea that washes ashore between those jetties has to rise above the sea wall first that is why that part of the beach is so clean.

4)   Vs. the Crab trap theory – I don’t believe the crab trap theory because of the timeline.  They only had approx 1.5 hours.

 (from the SM timeline 1:45 leaving C&C’s to Approx 3:35 Joran’s Computer Document.  This gives them 1 hour and 50 minutes to: Leave C&C’s, drive around, kill her, dispose of the body and return home.  If you take off 10 minutes off driving time and 10 minutes to get home and on the computer they would have only had an hour and a half)

With the Crab trap theory they would have to kill her, panic, figure out a plan, call for a boat, break into the fisherman’s hut, put her in the trap, carry the trap to meet up with the boat, go far out to sea and return home in that time.  I don’t see that fitting with the timeline.

I’m not happy with TM for his last remarks on Watts-Up but he did a lot of hard work on this case and I know he would not collude with the Arubans on any type of a cover up.  Just because someone can electronically superimpose a photo of Natalee in the trap to try to make us “see” this theory does not make it so.  Seeing has become believing in this case but I personally am just not convinced.

5)   The Anita plant Theory: Please – What Mother would ever do something like that knowing that it would show cause to believe her son murdered Natalee?  Anita is in denial.  She’s not going to hand us proof. And according to recent reports prior to the mandible Peru may only sentence Joran to 6 yrs.  She reads and keeps up with all of this just like the rest of us she probably knew that before we did. There would be no good outcome or reason for her to plant the Mandible.

6)   The Kalpoe plant Theory: No way, especially with the Dr. Phil court date looming up in Feb. they don’t want any kind of news that will implicate them.

I just don’t think that mandible was planted.  It’s more likely they buried Natalee in one of those jetties and a part broke loose and washed ashore.

I disagree with point # 4. You are assuming Natalee was put in that trap on the night of May 30th. Many of us believe she was put there days later.
Okay so what is the theory on how many days later and where was she kept in the mean time?
They had 10 days before they were arrested. Many of us think she was buried in a temporary grave and then disposed of by Paulus and/or ALE.
Well, That could be because I do agree there was a cover up but, I am not discarding the Jetty Theory.  Did anyone get demensions on that trap? and how far out was it found?

Both the dimensions & how far out the trap was have been posted multiple times.  I just was searching but can't spend the time, at the moment.  I think someone can point you in that direction.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: SuzieQ on November 20, 2010, 01:32:25 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4641.0

Lisa, there are pictures, dimensions and what ever you need at the above thread.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: SuzieQ on November 20, 2010, 01:36:06 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4145.0

And here. This thread by Blonde.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 20, 2010, 01:38:31 PM
Morning All…
Thanks again to all of you Monkeys for help with maps and timelines on the Jetty Theory.  I know that some of you are not buying it but then again it is just a theory and one of many.
I don’t mean to rattle the cage and this is not directed at anyone just my thoughts so please keep in mind this is not an argument it is a discussion.  It’s been a long 5.5 yrs for all of us but we get more bananas working together!
I just don’t think that mandible was planted.  My questions and reasons are:
1)   Why now? Aruba has never given one iota of a care as to what Beth says or does.  If the mandible is Natalee’s then they will have to face the situation and that’s not going to make it go away. It just brings it to the forefront with a lot of explaining to do on their part. It shows GUILT and that isn’t in their best interest. There is no gain for Aruba to plant the mandible. 
 “Where is the rest of her?” Those are headlines that they do not want. 

2)   The Extradition Theory - Joran/ Peru – I originally asked what the protocol would be on the charges and it was brought to our attention that Peru does not have an extradition treaty with Aruba or the Neitherlands and those officials know that.  So the theory of planting the mandible to gain extradition of Joran from Peru to Aruba or the Neitherlands is zilch.

3)    Someone asked how the mandible could have washed ashore when there are no shells that washed up at that time in that area.  It’s a good question and can be explained coinciding with the Jetty Theory.

(If the storm caused a hydraulic (a swirl of the water) next to the jetty it would create a pressure - sort of like a blender.  That pressure can create a vacuum and if it was close enough it could pull things into it and spin or spit them out into the ocean.  Since the ocean is shallow in that area with jetties on both sides the item would wash in with the tide.) shallow being the optimum word here – Anything from deep sea that washes ashore between those jetties has to rise above the sea wall first that is why that part of the beach is so clean.

4)   Vs. the Crab trap theory – I don’t believe the crab trap theory because of the timeline.  They only had approx 1.5 hours.

 (from the SM timeline 1:45 leaving C&C’s to Approx 3:35 Joran’s Computer Document.  This gives them 1 hour and 50 minutes to: Leave C&C’s, drive around, kill her, dispose of the body and return home.  If you take off 10 minutes off driving time and 10 minutes to get home and on the computer they would have only had an hour and a half)

With the Crab trap theory they would have to kill her, panic, figure out a plan, call for a boat, break into the fisherman’s hut, put her in the trap, carry the trap to meet up with the boat, go far out to sea and return home in that time.  I don’t see that fitting with the timeline.

I’m not happy with TM for his last remarks on Watts-Up but he did a lot of hard work on this case and I know he would not collude with the Arubans on any type of a cover up.  Just because someone can electronically superimpose a photo of Natalee in the trap to try to make us “see” this theory does not make it so.  Seeing has become believing in this case but I personally am just not convinced.

5)   The Anita plant Theory: Please – What Mother would ever do something like that knowing that it would show cause to believe her son murdered Natalee?  Anita is in denial.  She’s not going to hand us proof. And according to recent reports prior to the mandible Peru may only sentence Joran to 6 yrs.  She reads and keeps up with all of this just like the rest of us she probably knew that before we did. There would be no good outcome or reason for her to plant the Mandible.

6)   The Kalpoe plant Theory: No way, especially with the Dr. Phil court date looming up in Feb. they don’t want any kind of news that will implicate them.

I just don’t think that mandible was planted.  It’s more likely they buried Natalee in one of those jetties and a part broke loose and washed ashore.

I disagree with point # 4. You are assuming Natalee was put in that trap on the night of May 30th. Many of us believe she was put there days later.
Okay so what is the theory on how many days later and where was she kept in the mean time?
They had 10 days before they were arrested. Many of us think she was buried in a temporary grave and then disposed of by Paulus and/or ALE.
Well, That could be because I do agree there was a cover up but, I am not discarding the Jetty Theory.  Did anyone get demensions on that trap? and how far out was it found?

Both the dimensions & how far out the trap was have been posted multiple times.  I just was searching but can't spend the time, at the moment.  I think someone can point you in that direction.
I understand, It just seems to me that if the crab trap theory was correct then more than just the mandible would have washed ashore by now and given the storms maybe on other parts of the beach. JMHO


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 20, 2010, 01:43:40 PM
Morning All…
Thanks again to all of you Monkeys for help with maps and timelines on the Jetty Theory.  I know that some of you are not buying it but then again it is just a theory and one of many.
I don’t mean to rattle the cage and this is not directed at anyone just my thoughts so please keep in mind this is not an argument it is a discussion.  It’s been a long 5.5 yrs for all of us but we get more bananas working together!
I just don’t think that mandible was planted.  My questions and reasons are:
1)   Why now? Aruba has never given one iota of a care as to what Beth says or does.  If the mandible is Natalee’s then they will have to face the situation and that’s not going to make it go away. It just brings it to the forefront with a lot of explaining to do on their part. It shows GUILT and that isn’t in their best interest. There is no gain for Aruba to plant the mandible. 
 “Where is the rest of her?” Those are headlines that they do not want. 

2)   The Extradition Theory - Joran/ Peru – I originally asked what the protocol would be on the charges and it was brought to our attention that Peru does not have an extradition treaty with Aruba or the Neitherlands and those officials know that.  So the theory of planting the mandible to gain extradition of Joran from Peru to Aruba or the Neitherlands is zilch.

3)    Someone asked how the mandible could have washed ashore when there are no shells that washed up at that time in that area.  It’s a good question and can be explained coinciding with the Jetty Theory.

(If the storm caused a hydraulic (a swirl of the water) next to the jetty it would create a pressure - sort of like a blender.  That pressure can create a vacuum and if it was close enough it could pull things into it and spin or spit them out into the ocean.  Since the ocean is shallow in that area with jetties on both sides the item would wash in with the tide.) shallow being the optimum word here – Anything from deep sea that washes ashore between those jetties has to rise above the sea wall first that is why that part of the beach is so clean.

4)   Vs. the Crab trap theory – I don’t believe the crab trap theory because of the timeline.  They only had approx 1.5 hours.

 (from the SM timeline 1:45 leaving C&C’s to Approx 3:35 Joran’s Computer Document.  This gives them 1 hour and 50 minutes to: Leave C&C’s, drive around, kill her, dispose of the body and return home.  If you take off 10 minutes off driving time and 10 minutes to get home and on the computer they would have only had an hour and a half)

With the Crab trap theory they would have to kill her, panic, figure out a plan, call for a boat, break into the fisherman’s hut, put her in the trap, carry the trap to meet up with the boat, go far out to sea and return home in that time.  I don’t see that fitting with the timeline.

I’m not happy with TM for his last remarks on Watts-Up but he did a lot of hard work on this case and I know he would not collude with the Arubans on any type of a cover up.  Just because someone can electronically superimpose a photo of Natalee in the trap to try to make us “see” this theory does not make it so.  Seeing has become believing in this case but I personally am just not convinced.

5)   The Anita plant Theory: Please – What Mother would ever do something like that knowing that it would show cause to believe her son murdered Natalee?  Anita is in denial.  She’s not going to hand us proof. And according to recent reports prior to the mandible Peru may only sentence Joran to 6 yrs.  She reads and keeps up with all of this just like the rest of us she probably knew that before we did. There would be no good outcome or reason for her to plant the Mandible.

6)   The Kalpoe plant Theory: No way, especially with the Dr. Phil court date looming up in Feb. they don’t want any kind of news that will implicate them.

I just don’t think that mandible was planted.  It’s more likely they buried Natalee in one of those jetties and a part broke loose and washed ashore.

I disagree with point # 4. You are assuming Natalee was put in that trap on the night of May 30th. Many of us believe she was put there days later.
Okay so what is the theory on how many days later and where was she kept in the mean time?
They had 10 days before they were arrested. Many of us think she was buried in a temporary grave and then disposed of by Paulus and/or ALE.
Well, That could be because I do agree there was a cover up but, I am not discarding the Jetty Theory.  Did anyone get demensions on that trap? and how far out was it found?


None of us here just fell off the turnip truck.  Our "theories" did not come easily.

The trap was, I believe, 7.5' x 7.5' x 2'.  It was found close to 2 miles off of Arishi Beach
at a depth of 90'.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 20, 2010, 01:48:01 PM
Morning All…
Thanks again to all of you Monkeys for help with maps and timelines on the Jetty Theory.  I know that some of you are not buying it but then again it is just a theory and one of many.
I don’t mean to rattle the cage and this is not directed at anyone just my thoughts so please keep in mind this is not an argument it is a discussion.  It’s been a long 5.5 yrs for all of us but we get more bananas working together!
I just don’t think that mandible was planted.  My questions and reasons are:
1)   Why now? Aruba has never given one iota of a care as to what Beth says or does.  If the mandible is Natalee’s then they will have to face the situation and that’s not going to make it go away. It just brings it to the forefront with a lot of explaining to do on their part. It shows GUILT and that isn’t in their best interest. There is no gain for Aruba to plant the mandible. 
 “Where is the rest of her?” Those are headlines that they do not want. 

2)   The Extradition Theory - Joran/ Peru – I originally asked what the protocol would be on the charges and it was brought to our attention that Peru does not have an extradition treaty with Aruba or the Neitherlands and those officials know that.  So the theory of planting the mandible to gain extradition of Joran from Peru to Aruba or the Neitherlands is zilch.

3)    Someone asked how the mandible could have washed ashore when there are no shells that washed up at that time in that area.  It’s a good question and can be explained coinciding with the Jetty Theory.

(If the storm caused a hydraulic (a swirl of the water) next to the jetty it would create a pressure - sort of like a blender.  That pressure can create a vacuum and if it was close enough it could pull things into it and spin or spit them out into the ocean.  Since the ocean is shallow in that area with jetties on both sides the item would wash in with the tide.) shallow being the optimum word here – Anything from deep sea that washes ashore between those jetties has to rise above the sea wall first that is why that part of the beach is so clean.

4)   Vs. the Crab trap theory – I don’t believe the crab trap theory because of the timeline.  They only had approx 1.5 hours.

 (from the SM timeline 1:45 leaving C&C’s to Approx 3:35 Joran’s Computer Document.  This gives them 1 hour and 50 minutes to: Leave C&C’s, drive around, kill her, dispose of the body and return home.  If you take off 10 minutes off driving time and 10 minutes to get home and on the computer they would have only had an hour and a half)

With the Crab trap theory they would have to kill her, panic, figure out a plan, call for a boat, break into the fisherman’s hut, put her in the trap, carry the trap to meet up with the boat, go far out to sea and return home in that time.  I don’t see that fitting with the timeline.

I’m not happy with TM for his last remarks on Watts-Up but he did a lot of hard work on this case and I know he would not collude with the Arubans on any type of a cover up.  Just because someone can electronically superimpose a photo of Natalee in the trap to try to make us “see” this theory does not make it so.  Seeing has become believing in this case but I personally am just not convinced.

5)   The Anita plant Theory: Please – What Mother would ever do something like that knowing that it would show cause to believe her son murdered Natalee?  Anita is in denial.  She’s not going to hand us proof. And according to recent reports prior to the mandible Peru may only sentence Joran to 6 yrs.  She reads and keeps up with all of this just like the rest of us she probably knew that before we did. There would be no good outcome or reason for her to plant the Mandible.

6)   The Kalpoe plant Theory: No way, especially with the Dr. Phil court date looming up in Feb. they don’t want any kind of news that will implicate them.

I just don’t think that mandible was planted.  It’s more likely they buried Natalee in one of those jetties and a part broke loose and washed ashore.

I disagree with point # 4. You are assuming Natalee was put in that trap on the night of May 30th. Many of us believe she was put there days later.
Okay so what is the theory on how many days later and where was she kept in the mean time?
They had 10 days before they were arrested. Many of us think she was buried in a temporary grave and then disposed of by Paulus and/or ALE.
Well, That could be because I do agree there was a cover up but, I am not discarding the Jetty Theory.  Did anyone get demensions on that trap? and how far out was it found?

Both the dimensions & how far out the trap was have been posted multiple times.  I just was searching but can't spend the time, at the moment.  I think someone can point you in that direction.
I understand, It just seems to me that if the crab trap theory was correct then more than just the mandible would have washed ashore by now and given the storms maybe on other parts of the beach. JMHO
Again Thanks SusieQ - here is what I found there...

.  DECEMBER 30, 2007 - 2ND ROV DIVE - VISUAL INSPECTION

Kyle Kingman: What you can't see is immediately before Tim approached the trap opening, a large skate stirred up sediment reducing visibility. The quick signal came because the dive time was nearly up.

Kyle Kingman: The famous "thumbs down" - Tim Trahan said he could not conclusively see human skeletal remains. The signals were: One thumb up for skeletal remains (body), two thumbs up for Natalee. When Tim came out of the water as seen on camera in the Dateline special, he was winded from the dive and gave a short answer of "No, nothing". He (along with many of us) were expecting something very clear and immediately identifiable …

Kyle Kingman:  The Arubans told us there wasn't anything of interest in the trap based on the visual-only inspection (Dateline and Tim Miller present).




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: snoopy on November 20, 2010, 01:50:48 PM
I'll bet Rob is right that we'll have to wait until Wednesday.

God Bless Natalee's Family.

Snoopy Courtois  RIP  7-27-1995   11-20-2010  Best dog in the world.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 20, 2010, 01:55:46 PM
Morning All…
Thanks again to all of you Monkeys for help with maps and timelines on the Jetty Theory.  I know that some of you are not buying it but then again it is just a theory and one of many.
I don’t mean to rattle the cage and this is not directed at anyone just my thoughts so please keep in mind this is not an argument it is a discussion.  It’s been a long 5.5 yrs for all of us but we get more bananas working together!
I just don’t think that mandible was planted.  My questions and reasons are:
1)   Why now? Aruba has never given one iota of a care as to what Beth says or does.  If the mandible is Natalee’s then they will have to face the situation and that’s not going to make it go away. It just brings it to the forefront with a lot of explaining to do on their part. It shows GUILT and that isn’t in their best interest. There is no gain for Aruba to plant the mandible. 
 “Where is the rest of her?” Those are headlines that they do not want. 

2)   The Extradition Theory - Joran/ Peru – I originally asked what the protocol would be on the charges and it was brought to our attention that Peru does not have an extradition treaty with Aruba or the Neitherlands and those officials know that.  So the theory of planting the mandible to gain extradition of Joran from Peru to Aruba or the Neitherlands is zilch.

3)    Someone asked how the mandible could have washed ashore when there are no shells that washed up at that time in that area.  It’s a good question and can be explained coinciding with the Jetty Theory.

(If the storm caused a hydraulic (a swirl of the water) next to the jetty it would create a pressure - sort of like a blender.  That pressure can create a vacuum and if it was close enough it could pull things into it and spin or spit them out into the ocean.  Since the ocean is shallow in that area with jetties on both sides the item would wash in with the tide.) shallow being the optimum word here – Anything from deep sea that washes ashore between those jetties has to rise above the sea wall first that is why that part of the beach is so clean.

4)   Vs. the Crab trap theory – I don’t believe the crab trap theory because of the timeline.  They only had approx 1.5 hours.

 (from the SM timeline 1:45 leaving C&C’s to Approx 3:35 Joran’s Computer Document.  This gives them 1 hour and 50 minutes to: Leave C&C’s, drive around, kill her, dispose of the body and return home.  If you take off 10 minutes off driving time and 10 minutes to get home and on the computer they would have only had an hour and a half)

With the Crab trap theory they would have to kill her, panic, figure out a plan, call for a boat, break into the fisherman’s hut, put her in the trap, carry the trap to meet up with the boat, go far out to sea and return home in that time.  I don’t see that fitting with the timeline.

I’m not happy with TM for his last remarks on Watts-Up but he did a lot of hard work on this case and I know he would not collude with the Arubans on any type of a cover up.  Just because someone can electronically superimpose a photo of Natalee in the trap to try to make us “see” this theory does not make it so.  Seeing has become believing in this case but I personally am just not convinced.

5)   The Anita plant Theory: Please – What Mother would ever do something like that knowing that it would show cause to believe her son murdered Natalee?  Anita is in denial.  She’s not going to hand us proof. And according to recent reports prior to the mandible Peru may only sentence Joran to 6 yrs.  She reads and keeps up with all of this just like the rest of us she probably knew that before we did. There would be no good outcome or reason for her to plant the Mandible.

6)   The Kalpoe plant Theory: No way, especially with the Dr. Phil court date looming up in Feb. they don’t want any kind of news that will implicate them.

I just don’t think that mandible was planted.  It’s more likely they buried Natalee in one of those jetties and a part broke loose and washed ashore.

I disagree with point # 4. You are assuming Natalee was put in that trap on the night of May 30th. Many of us believe she was put there days later.
Okay so what is the theory on how many days later and where was she kept in the mean time?
They had 10 days before they were arrested. Many of us think she was buried in a temporary grave and then disposed of by Paulus and/or ALE.
Well, That could be because I do agree there was a cover up but, I am not discarding the Jetty Theory.  Did anyone get demensions on that trap? and how far out was it found?


None of us here just fell off the turnip truck.  Our "theories" did not come easily.

The trap was, I believe, 7.5' x 7.5' x 2'.  It was found close to 2 miles off of Arishi Beach
at a depth of 90'.

Look Monkey, I didn’t say anything about a Turnip Truck I think there are some extreamly bright Monkeys here and I am Friend Not Foe – Just a Friend with a different opnion!

As for all of that hard work – Yes, I agree and it is well appreciated too!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 20, 2010, 01:55:46 PM
They had 10 days before they were arrested. Many of us think she was buried in a temporary grave and then disposed of by Paulus and/or ALE.

Well, That could be because I do agree there was a cover up but, I am not discarding the Jetty Theory.  Did anyone get demensions on that trap? and how far out was it found?



oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #743 3/14 -
« Reply #682 on: March 18, 2008, 01:28:45 PM »


.... Approx. 7.5 x 7.5 x 2.5ft, and 200-300lbs, hundreds of feet of rope complete with 4-point rigging.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.msg366260#msg366260


oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #744 3/19 -
« Reply #176 on: March 19, 2008, 07:27:10 PM »


.... The trap's doop is usually fastened to the outside of the trap. It was laying inside the trap, as if pushed open. The contents sampled inside the trap were laying on top of the door. The trap was found in 90 ft.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2721.msg366832;topicseen#msg366832


Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman
:  .... Oddly, the latitude was within a half mile from where we found the trap and centered on Arashi beach.

Kermit



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 20, 2010, 01:58:48 PM
I'll bet Rob is right that we'll have to wait until Wednesday.

God Bless Natalee's Family.

Snoopy Courtois  RIP  7-27-1995   11-20-2010  Best dog in the world.

Snoopy,
I am so sorry.  I know that your heart is aching. ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Blue Moon on November 20, 2010, 02:03:42 PM
Morning All…
Thanks again to all of you Monkeys for help with maps and timelines on the Jetty Theory.  I know that some of you are not buying it but then again it is just a theory and one of many.
I don’t mean to rattle the cage and this is not directed at anyone just my thoughts so please keep in mind this is not an argument it is a discussion.  It’s been a long 5.5 yrs for all of us but we get more bananas working together!
I just don’t think that mandible was planted.  My questions and reasons are:
1)   Why now? Aruba has never given one iota of a care as to what Beth says or does.  If the mandible is Natalee’s then they will have to face the situation and that’s not going to make it go away. It just brings it to the forefront with a lot of explaining to do on their part. It shows GUILT and that isn’t in their best interest. There is no gain for Aruba to plant the mandible. 
 “Where is the rest of her?” Those are headlines that they do not want. 

2)   The Extradition Theory - Joran/ Peru – I originally asked what the protocol would be on the charges and it was brought to our attention that Peru does not have an extradition treaty with Aruba or the Neitherlands and those officials know that.  So the theory of planting the mandible to gain extradition of Joran from Peru to Aruba or the Neitherlands is zilch.

3)    Someone asked how the mandible could have washed ashore when there are no shells that washed up at that time in that area.  It’s a good question and can be explained coinciding with the Jetty Theory.

(If the storm caused a hydraulic (a swirl of the water) next to the jetty it would create a pressure - sort of like a blender.  That pressure can create a vacuum and if it was close enough it could pull things into it and spin or spit them out into the ocean.  Since the ocean is shallow in that area with jetties on both sides the item would wash in with the tide.) shallow being the optimum word here – Anything from deep sea that washes ashore between those jetties has to rise above the sea wall first that is why that part of the beach is so clean.

4)   Vs. the Crab trap theory – I don’t believe the crab trap theory because of the timeline.  They only had approx 1.5 hours.

 (from the SM timeline 1:45 leaving C&C’s to Approx 3:35 Joran’s Computer Document.  This gives them 1 hour and 50 minutes to: Leave C&C’s, drive around, kill her, dispose of the body and return home.  If you take off 10 minutes off driving time and 10 minutes to get home and on the computer they would have only had an hour and a half)

With the Crab trap theory they would have to kill her, panic, figure out a plan, call for a boat, break into the fisherman’s hut, put her in the trap, carry the trap to meet up with the boat, go far out to sea and return home in that time.  I don’t see that fitting with the timeline.

I’m not happy with TM for his last remarks on Watts-Up but he did a lot of hard work on this case and I know he would not collude with the Arubans on any type of a cover up.  Just because someone can electronically superimpose a photo of Natalee in the trap to try to make us “see” this theory does not make it so.  Seeing has become believing in this case but I personally am just not convinced.

5)   The Anita plant Theory: Please – What Mother would ever do something like that knowing that it would show cause to believe her son murdered Natalee?  Anita is in denial.  She’s not going to hand us proof. And according to recent reports prior to the mandible Peru may only sentence Joran to 6 yrs.  She reads and keeps up with all of this just like the rest of us she probably knew that before we did. There would be no good outcome or reason for her to plant the Mandible.

6)   The Kalpoe plant Theory: No way, especially with the Dr. Phil court date looming up in Feb. they don’t want any kind of news that will implicate them.

I just don’t think that mandible was planted.  It’s more likely they buried Natalee in one of those jetties and a part broke loose and washed ashore.

I disagree with point # 4. You are assuming Natalee was put in that trap on the night of May 30th. Many of us believe she was put there days later.
Okay so what is the theory on how many days later and where was she kept in the mean time?
They had 10 days before they were arrested. Many of us think she was buried in a temporary grave and then disposed of by Paulus and/or ALE.
Well, That could be because I do agree there was a cover up but, I am not discarding the Jetty Theory.  Did anyone get demensions on that trap? and how far out was it found?


None of us here just fell off the turnip truck.  Our "theories" did not come easily.

The trap was, I believe, 7.5' x 7.5' x 2'.  It was found close to 2 miles off of Arishi Beach
at a depth of 90'.

Look Monkey, I didn’t say anything about a Turnip Truck I think there are some extreamly bright Monkeys here and I am Friend Not Foe – Just a Friend with a different opnion!

As for all of that hard work – Yes, I agree and it is well appreciated too!


Do you know something we don't?  Just asking is all. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 20, 2010, 02:06:44 PM
I'll bet Rob is right that we'll have to wait until Wednesday.

God Bless Natalee's Family.

Snoopy Courtois  RIP  7-27-1995   11-20-2010  Best dog in the world.
::MonkeyTears::

 ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: wreck on November 20, 2010, 02:07:23 PM
Lisa, no one is disrespecting you at all. I think you are just not up to speed as most of us. We are not saying that the mandible floated out of the trap (although it is a remote possibility). The Arubans dove on that trap and removed it's contents. Where that mandible has been is anyone's guess.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 20, 2010, 02:12:37 PM
Morning All…
Thanks again to all of you Monkeys for help with maps and timelines on the Jetty Theory.  I know that some of you are not buying it but then again it is just a theory and one of many.
I don’t mean to rattle the cage and this is not directed at anyone just my thoughts so please keep in mind this is not an argument it is a discussion.  It’s been a long 5.5 yrs for all of us but we get more bananas working together!
I just don’t think that mandible was planted.  My questions and reasons are:
1)   Why now? Aruba has never given one iota of a care as to what Beth says or does.  If the mandible is Natalee’s then they will have to face the situation and that’s not going to make it go away. It just brings it to the forefront with a lot of explaining to do on their part. It shows GUILT and that isn’t in their best interest. There is no gain for Aruba to plant the mandible. 
 “Where is the rest of her?” Those are headlines that they do not want. 

2)   The Extradition Theory - Joran/ Peru – I originally asked what the protocol would be on the charges and it was brought to our attention that Peru does not have an extradition treaty with Aruba or the Neitherlands and those officials know that.  So the theory of planting the mandible to gain extradition of Joran from Peru to Aruba or the Neitherlands is zilch.

3)    Someone asked how the mandible could have washed ashore when there are no shells that washed up at that time in that area.  It’s a good question and can be explained coinciding with the Jetty Theory.

(If the storm caused a hydraulic (a swirl of the water) next to the jetty it would create a pressure - sort of like a blender.  That pressure can create a vacuum and if it was close enough it could pull things into it and spin or spit them out into the ocean.  Since the ocean is shallow in that area with jetties on both sides the item would wash in with the tide.) shallow being the optimum word here – Anything from deep sea that washes ashore between those jetties has to rise above the sea wall first that is why that part of the beach is so clean.

4)   Vs. the Crab trap theory – I don’t believe the crab trap theory because of the timeline.  They only had approx 1.5 hours.

 (from the SM timeline 1:45 leaving C&C’s to Approx 3:35 Joran’s Computer Document.  This gives them 1 hour and 50 minutes to: Leave C&C’s, drive around, kill her, dispose of the body and return home.  If you take off 10 minutes off driving time and 10 minutes to get home and on the computer they would have only had an hour and a half)

With the Crab trap theory they would have to kill her, panic, figure out a plan, call for a boat, break into the fisherman’s hut, put her in the trap, carry the trap to meet up with the boat, go far out to sea and return home in that time.  I don’t see that fitting with the timeline.

I’m not happy with TM for his last remarks on Watts-Up but he did a lot of hard work on this case and I know he would not collude with the Arubans on any type of a cover up.  Just because someone can electronically superimpose a photo of Natalee in the trap to try to make us “see” this theory does not make it so.  Seeing has become believing in this case but I personally am just not convinced.

5)   The Anita plant Theory: Please – What Mother would ever do something like that knowing that it would show cause to believe her son murdered Natalee?  Anita is in denial.  She’s not going to hand us proof. And according to recent reports prior to the mandible Peru may only sentence Joran to 6 yrs.  She reads and keeps up with all of this just like the rest of us she probably knew that before we did. There would be no good outcome or reason for her to plant the Mandible.

6)   The Kalpoe plant Theory: No way, especially with the Dr. Phil court date looming up in Feb. they don’t want any kind of news that will implicate them.

I just don’t think that mandible was planted.  It’s more likely they buried Natalee in one of those jetties and a part broke loose and washed ashore.

I disagree with point # 4. You are assuming Natalee was put in that trap on the night of May 30th. Many of us believe she was put there days later.
Okay so what is the theory on how many days later and where was she kept in the mean time?
They had 10 days before they were arrested. Many of us think she was buried in a temporary grave and then disposed of by Paulus and/or ALE.
Well, That could be because I do agree there was a cover up but, I am not discarding the Jetty Theory.  Did anyone get demensions on that trap? and how far out was it found?


None of us here just fell off the turnip truck.  Our "theories" did not come easily.

The trap was, I believe, 7.5' x 7.5' x 2'.  It was found close to 2 miles off of Arishi Beach
at a depth of 90'.

Look Monkey, I didn’t say anything about a Turnip Truck I think there are some extreamly bright Monkeys here and I am Friend Not Foe – Just a Friend with a different opnion!

As for all of that hard work – Yes, I agree and it is well appreciated too!


Do you know something we don't?  Just asking is all. 
No, I have been here right along with you from the beginning I just started posting on the forum although I was reading it all along.  When the mandible washed up I just started thinking and it lead to a different theory as to where it washed up.  I know we don't even know for sure that it is Natalee but I have a feeling of hope that it is. I love being here with you monkeys and I am not trying to ruffle fur.  I just have a different Theory and it could be proven wrong along with the best of them and then again maybe it could be proven right!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Shy Monkey on November 20, 2010, 02:12:45 PM
Snoopy, our thoughts and prayers are with you...we have two precious little rescue dogs that we love so much.   I hope this will help comfort you... I don't know who the author is so I am unable to give due credit.


Little Angels Poem

Little angels from up above
sent to us so full of love.
Never judging, always there
a faithful heart that is so rare.

Gentle eyes, shining bright
an energy of holy light.
Loyalty, that is unmatched
so easily we are attached.

A love so pure, none to compare
sweet memories that we have shared.
Never could one ever dream
the impact from this little being.

They touch our lives, more than we know
we live with them and watch them grow.
Share our laughs and our cries
always soothed by loving eyes.

Little angels so strong and true
they live their lives just for you.
"Good bye" for now, we will meet again
my sweet and pure angelic friend.




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Rob on November 20, 2010, 02:15:02 PM
Lisa, no one is disrespecting you at all. I think you are just not up to speed as most of us. We are not saying that the mandible floated out of the trap (although it is a remote possibility). The Arubans dove on that trap and removed it's contents. Where that mandible has been is anyone's guess.
right!!

and Aruba had 4 hurricanes since Natalee was murdered. That includes Tomas.

Lotta hurricanes for a hurricane free island.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on November 20, 2010, 02:15:27 PM
I'll bet Rob is right that we'll have to wait until Wednesday.

God Bless Natalee's Family.

Snoopy Courtois  RIP  7-27-1995   11-20-2010  Best dog in the world.

I'm so sorry.   :smt056   


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Blue Moon on November 20, 2010, 02:16:34 PM
Isn't is very strange that Greta has not mentioned anything about Natalee on her blog?  I was just in there reading over it and, unless I missed it, I cannot find a mention of it.  Very strange to me.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: atlgirl on November 20, 2010, 02:20:19 PM
I'll bet Rob is right that we'll have to wait until Wednesday.

God Bless Natalee's Family.

Snoopy Courtois  RIP  7-27-1995   11-20-2010  Best dog in the world.

My heart breaks for you.  Losing a pet IS losing a family member.

Shy monkey....incredible poem.  Thanks for sharing.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Rob on November 20, 2010, 02:22:08 PM
I guess my thoughts are it would be pretty hard for a mandible to just wash ashore. I do admit it seems like it is possible, but not very likely at all.

There are rocks and coral out there and it would be snagged and buried under sand. It's highly unlikely it washed up in my opinion. Not to mention, nor forget, the current which is very strong even though it looks calm. Took me a half an hour to swim from the Bahia catamaran to shore at the Hyatt and it's only about 500-600 feet. The current is stronger near the Phoenix.

It either washed there from Bubali or was buried there this entire time, in my opinion. It didn't come from the ocean.

Of course, it could have been planted, but I doubt that because it would rely on a chance discovery to make a "startling" find.  And I don't see a Geerman involved - YET!  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Rob on November 20, 2010, 02:26:00 PM
Isn't is very strange that Greta has not mentioned anything about Natalee on her blog?  I was just in there reading over it and, unless I missed it, I cannot find a mention of it.  Very strange to me.

I'm not surprised. Girdle is a kook, and oblivious.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: can on November 20, 2010, 02:26:58 PM
I'll bet Rob is right that we'll have to wait until Wednesday.

God Bless Natalee's Family.

Snoopy Courtois  RIP  7-27-1995   11-20-2010  Best dog in the world.

You shared your love for over 15 years.  May your memories bring you comfort.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: can on November 20, 2010, 02:32:02 PM
Isn't is very strange that Greta has not mentioned anything about Natalee on her blog?  I was just in there reading over it and, unless I missed it, I cannot find a mention of it.  Very strange to me.

Yes, I was hoping she would be there, snooping around...knocking on Nadira's door  ::MonkeyJnBox:: and stuff.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: can on November 20, 2010, 02:33:11 PM
I guess my thoughts are it would be pretty hard for a mandible to just wash ashore. I do admit it seems like it is possible, but not very likely at all.

There are rocks and coral out there and it would be snagged and buried under sand. It's highly unlikely it washed up in my opinion. Not to mention, nor forget, the current which is very strong even though it looks calm. Took me a half an hour to swim from the Bahia catamaran to shore at the Hyatt and it's only about 500-600 feet. The current is stronger near the Phoenix.

It either washed there from Bubali or was buried there this entire time, in my opinion. It didn't come from the ocean.

Of course, it could have been planted, but I doubt that because it would rely on a chance discovery to make a "startling" find.  And I don't see a Geerman involved - YET!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 20, 2010, 02:33:57 PM

I understand, It just seems to me that if the crab trap theory was correct then more than just the mandible would have washed ashore by now and given the storms maybe on other parts of the beach. JMHO
Again Thanks SusieQ - here is what I found there...

.  DECEMBER 30, 2007 - 2ND ROV DIVE - VISUAL INSPECTION

Kyle Kingman: What you can't see is immediately before Tim approached the trap opening, a large skate stirred up sediment reducing visibility. The quick signal came because the dive time was nearly up.

Kyle Kingman: The famous "thumbs down" - Tim Trahan said he could not conclusively see human skeletal remains. The signals were: One thumb up for skeletal remains (body), two thumbs up for Natalee. When Tim came out of the water as seen on camera in the Dateline special, he was winded from the dive and gave a short answer of "No, nothing". He (along with many of us) were expecting something very clear and immediately identifiable …

Kyle Kingman:  The Arubans told us there wasn't anything of interest in the trap based on the visual-only inspection (Dateline and Tim Miller present).

[/quote]

Lisa

Tim Trahan claims he was unable to see what the Aruban divers claim they clearly saw during the December 30, 2007 observation dive.

+++++


The Observation Dive - December 30, 2007

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
  Later that day 30-Dec we conducted the dive with the Aruban divers along with our own Tim Trahan.  He couldn't tell by his own admission.

Kyle Kingman:  By Tim's (Trahan) own admission, his observation of the inside of the trap (lasting a few seconds) was inconclusive

Kyle Kingman:  The Arubans told us there wasn't anything of interest in the trap based on the visual-only inspection (Dateline and Tim Miller present).

Kermit



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: snoopy on November 20, 2010, 02:33:59 PM
Thanks guys.  Don't want to be OT. 

I sure wish we'd hear something soon.  As our beloved Peaches use to say...."I'd like to slap somebody silly"

We want justice.  We want Natalee back.  If the jaw bone remains belong to Natalee, and they think we'll be satisfied with that and just go away then they are FOS.  I believe with all of my heart that they have most if not all of Natalee's remains.   Just sayin

Kalpoe brothers how's that lawsuit workin out for ya?  Yea your day's coming.

Come Across


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: wreck on November 20, 2010, 02:34:58 PM
Isn't is very strange that Greta has not mentioned anything about Natalee on her blog?  I was just in there reading over it and, unless I missed it, I cannot find a mention of it.  Very strange to me.

Yes, I was hoping she would be there, snooping around...knocking on Nadira's door  ::MonkeyJnBox:: and stuff.
Girdle is still fuming that she paid Joran for another bogus story. She's an idiot.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 20, 2010, 02:36:10 PM
Lisa, no one is disrespecting you at all. I think you are just not up to speed as most of us. We are not saying that the mandible floated out of the trap (although it is a remote possibility). The Arubans dove on that trap and removed it's contents. Where that mandible has been is anyone's guess.

Thanks Wreck, I'm not taking anything personal.  I also mean no disrespect.  I like the enteraction as long as no one gets hurt.  You never know what fasinating idea a monkey will have and they change from day to day.  I figure it's okay to be right and it's okay to be wrong when it comes to theory and speculation.  I'm just a little stuck on wanting those jetties searched. If I wasn't boycotting Aruba I'd do it myself!

I just wish they would find her and give her family some peace and I hope that when they do find her it will expose that terrible island and all its demons!

I have to go Paint a window ceil but I will be back to roll with you monkeys later!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 20, 2010, 02:37:19 PM

Again Thanks SusieQ - here is what I found there...

.  DECEMBER 30, 2007 - 2ND ROV DIVE - VISUAL INSPECTION

Kyle Kingman: What you can't see is immediately before Tim approached the trap opening, a large skate stirred up sediment reducing visibility. The quick signal came because the dive time was nearly up.

Kyle Kingman: The famous "thumbs down" - Tim Trahan said he could not conclusively see human skeletal remains. The signals were: One thumb up for skeletal remains (body), two thumbs up for Natalee. When Tim came out of the water as seen on camera in the Dateline special, he was winded from the dive and gave a short answer of "No, nothing". He (along with many of us) were expecting something very clear and immediately identifiable …

Kyle Kingman:  The Arubans told us there wasn't anything of interest in the trap based on the visual-only inspection (Dateline and Tim Miller present).




Lisa

Tim Trahan claims he was unable to see what the Aruban divers claim they clearly saw during the December 30, 2007 observation dive.

+++++


The Observation Dive - December 30, 2007

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words


Kyle Kingman:  Later that day 30-Dec we conducted the dive with the Aruban divers along with our own Tim Trahan.  He couldn't tell by his own admission.

Kyle Kingman:  By Tim's (Trahan) own admission, his observation of the inside of the trap (lasting a few seconds) was inconclusive

Kyle Kingman:  The Arubans told us there wasn't anything of interest in the trap based on the visual-only inspection (Dateline and Tim Miller present).

Kermit


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: San on November 20, 2010, 02:37:23 PM
I'll bet Rob is right that we'll have to wait until Wednesday.

God Bless Natalee's Family.

Snoopy Courtois  RIP  7-27-1995   11-20-2010  Best dog in the world.

I'm sorry Snoopy to hear about your dog.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Rob on November 20, 2010, 02:38:26 PM
I'm starting to lean toward this is Natalee. As wreck said - they would be screaming from the roof tops if it wasn't her. I sure hate to get my hopes up again and since the discovery, I have been rather calm about it all. Just been there too many times before.

But it's roughly 8:30 pm in Holland now - so I guess there won't be an announcement today - I know, shocking! lolol.

They know one way or the other by now - and they would have said it's not her.

I have learned over the years not to get too excited, but I have also learned to judge their responses or non-responses with a keen eye.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: wreck on November 20, 2010, 02:43:04 PM
Lisa, no one is disrespecting you at all. I think you are just not up to speed as most of us. We are not saying that the mandible floated out of the trap (although it is a remote possibility). The Arubans dove on that trap and removed it's contents. Where that mandible has been is anyone's guess.

Thanks Wreck, I'm not taking anything personal.  I also mean no disrespect.  I like the enteraction as long as no one gets hurt.  You never know what fasinating idea a monkey will have and they change from day to day.  I figure it's okay to be right and it's okay to be wrong when it comes to theory and speculation.  I'm just a little stuck on wanting those jetties searched. If I wasn't boycotting Aruba I'd do it myself!

I just wish they would find her and give her family some peace and I hope that when they do find her it will expose that terrible island and all its demons!

I have to go Paint a window ceil but I will be back to roll with you monkeys later!

 ::MonkeyCool::  I certainly don't rule out the "jetty theory" at all. None of us know!! I was just commenting on how you were ruling out the trap theory.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: can on November 20, 2010, 02:45:24 PM
Isn't is very strange that Greta has not mentioned anything about Natalee on her blog?  I was just in there reading over it and, unless I missed it, I cannot find a mention of it.  Very strange to me.

Yes, I was hoping she would be there, snooping around...knocking on Nadira's door  ::MonkeyJnBox:: and stuff.
Girdle is still fuming that she paid Joran for another bogus story. She's an idiot.

I love her too Wreck.   ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 20, 2010, 02:45:53 PM
I'll bet Rob is right that we'll have to wait until Wednesday.

God Bless Natalee's Family.

Snoopy Courtois  RIP  7-27-1995   11-20-2010  Best dog in the world.


  ::MonkeyTears::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 20, 2010, 02:52:32 PM
Lisa, no one is disrespecting you at all. I think you are just not up to speed as most of us. We are not saying that the mandible floated out of the trap (although it is a remote possibility). The Arubans dove on that trap and removed it's contents. Where that mandible has been is anyone's guess.

Thanks Wreck, I'm not taking anything personal.  I also mean no disrespect.  I like the enteraction as long as no one gets hurt.  You never know what fasinating idea a monkey will have and they change from day to day.  I figure it's okay to be right and it's okay to be wrong when it comes to theory and speculation.  I'm just a little stuck on wanting those jetties searched. If I wasn't boycotting Aruba I'd do it myself!

I just wish they would find her and give her family some peace and I hope that when they do find her it will expose that terrible island and all its demons!

I have to go Paint a window ceil but I will be back to roll with you monkeys later!

 ::MonkeyCool::  I certainly don't rule out the "jetty theory" at all. None of us know!! I was just commenting on how you were ruling out the trap theory.
OH, by No means.... Not Ruling it out I'm just not convinced.  There are several other theories out there and it could be any one of them or none of them or even a combination of them. I'm sorry, if I left anyone here with the impression that I was completely ruling the trap theory out.  And you are right about my not being up to speed because allot of you did a lot of work on these theories long ago and I didn't have much time then to take it all in. That's why I asked for so much help on the Jetty theory because I knew the leg work was out there I just didn't know where.  All of that info -  the maps and photos and accounts were a great help in what I was thinking.

Anyway, I gotta go or my hunny is going to get up set he said he'd paint the walls as long as I painted the trim!  See ya !


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Ono on November 20, 2010, 02:55:32 PM
I'll bet Rob is right that we'll have to wait until Wednesday.

God Bless Natalee's Family.

Snoopy Courtois  RIP  7-27-1995   11-20-2010  Best dog in the world.

My sympathy to you Snoopy ... I'm so sorry.  Lived a long & happy life.     ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Red on November 20, 2010, 03:08:12 PM
I'll bet Rob is right that we'll have to wait until Wednesday.

God Bless Natalee's Family.

Snoopy Courtois  RIP  7-27-1995   11-20-2010  Best dog in the world.

I am so sorry, I know what you are feeling. I have held off on a post for some time as it was too painful to finish and post. My thoughts are with you. Our pets do nothing but love us unconditionally.

Take care.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 20, 2010, 03:08:28 PM
Lisa

Both the observation dive of December 30, 2007 and the recovery of January 7, 2008 were conducted by Aruba divers only.  Aruban authorities were on board the Persistence during the observation dive and ... Aruban authorities were on board a recovery boat during the recovery dive.

When the Aruban cover up that has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway since May 30, 2005 is considered ... do you not think that something hinky was taking place on board the Persistence in regards to the events encompassing the trap.

Janet

+++++


Natalee's Uncle

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
« Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM »


If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245;topicseen#msg372245
 

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 -
« Reply #559 on: March 01, 2008, 04:08:07 PM »


I hope that the Persistence has not done all of this work and gone to all of this expense only to have gotten itself into an arrangement whereby Aruban divers are the ones who actually verify the targets and are the first ones to physically retrieve evidence, with no American divers physically with them. If so, all I can say is I just can't believe this has happened. But surely I am wrong.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg358435#msg358435


private eye
Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #686 on: March 13, 2008, 06:38:07 PM »


But sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine.

<snipped>

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#msg364750



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 20, 2010, 03:14:12 PM
The Ultimate Betrayal

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman
:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

Kermit


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 20, 2010, 03:16:26 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/hotel-map.jpg)


Could it be that that Natalee's jawbone was planted in the Palm Beach area of Aruba ....

1.  To distract from January 7, 2008 recovery of the trap's contents by Aruban divers in the Arashi Beach area?

2.  In an attempt to establish a negotiable avenue for Joran to be extradited from Peru to face murder charges in the 2005 Natalee Holloway case ... murder charges that will never result in a conviction?

3.  To appease Beth Holloway whose ongoing voice for her daughter will continue to be Aruba's worst nightmare if answers are not forthcoming and ... until she can bring her daughter home.





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on November 20, 2010, 03:21:54 PM
Isn't is very strange that Greta has not mentioned anything about Natalee on her blog?  I was just in there reading over it and, unless I missed it, I cannot find a mention of it.  Very strange to me.

Indeed, it is odd.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on November 20, 2010, 03:22:20 PM
I'm starting to lean toward this is Natalee. As wreck said - they would be screaming from the roof tops if it wasn't her. I sure hate to get my hopes up again and since the discovery, I have been rather calm about it all. Just been there too many times before.

But it's roughly 8:30 pm in Holland now - so I guess there won't be an announcement today - I know, shocking! lolol.

They know one way or the other by now - and they would have said it's not her.

I have learned over the years not to get too excited, but I have also learned to judge their responses or non-responses with a keen eye.



Excellent post Rob  ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Blonde on November 20, 2010, 03:32:10 PM
I'm starting to lean toward this is Natalee. As wreck said - they would be screaming from the roof tops if it wasn't her. I sure hate to get my hopes up again and since the discovery, I have been rather calm about it all. Just been there too many times before.

But it's roughly 8:30 pm in Holland now - so I guess there won't be an announcement today - I know, shocking! lolol.

They know one way or the other by now - and they would have said it's not her.

I have learned over the years not to get too excited, but I have also learned to judge their responses or non-responses with a keen eye.




So am I.BUT I'm just not convinced
 I never thought she was in that cage .
I always thought she was tucked away close by the water.
 I always thought Palus desposed of her body because  He knew joren would talk and talk and could not be trusted.
There are rocks and coral out there and it would be snagged and buried under sand. YES
It's highly unlikely that she would washed up but with all of those storms the had .
One could have drifted away it's like she was stuck and now she's free. ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 20, 2010, 03:36:56 PM
I'll bet Rob is right that we'll have to wait until Wednesday.

God Bless Natalee's Family.

Snoopy Courtois  RIP  7-27-1995   11-20-2010  Best dog in the world.

 :smt022

I'm so sorry for your loss, my heart goes out to you.

http://www.petloss.com/rainbowbridge.htm
 
Thank you so much for sharing with us.  :smt056


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Rob on November 20, 2010, 03:42:59 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/hotel-map.jpg)


Could it be that that Natalee's jawbone was planted in the Palm Beach area of Aruba ....

1.  To distract from January 7, 2008 recovery of the trap's contents by Aruban divers in the Arashi Beach area?

2.  In an attempt to establish a negotiable avenue for Joran to be extradited from Peru to face murder charges in the 2005 Natalee Holloway case ... murder charges that will never result in a conviction?

3.  To appease Beth Holloway whose ongoing voice for her daughter will continue to be Aruba's worst nightmare if answers are not forthcoming and ... until she can bring her daughter home.





Janet - does everything have to be a conspiracy to favor a Sloot?

I guess I have never really understood your line of thinking when it comes to an underlying motive for things that have never occurred.

++

Snoop - sorry for your loss too, I know it's hard.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 20, 2010, 03:54:05 PM

Could it be that that Natalee's jawbone was planted in the Palm Beach area of Aruba ....

1.  To distract from January 7, 2008 recovery of the trap's contents by Aruban divers in the Arashi Beach area?

2.  In an attempt to establish a negotiable avenue for Joran to be extradited from Peru to face murder charges in the 2005 Natalee Holloway case ... murder charges that will never result in a conviction?

3.  To appease Beth Holloway whose ongoing voice for her daughter will continue to be Aruba's worst nightmare if answers are not forthcoming and ... until she can bring her daughter home.





Janet - does everything have to be a conspiracy to favor a Sloot?

I guess I have never really understood your line of thinking when it comes to an underlying motive for things that have never occurred.

++

Snoop - sorry for your loss too, I know it's hard.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Rob

There has been an Aruban conspiracy since May 30, 2005 to favor the "Sloots".  Attempting to get Joran back on Aruban soil is just a continuation.  IMO

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Anna on November 20, 2010, 04:06:56 PM
Oh yeah. What a coinky dink  ::MonkeyNoNo::  Jaw bone washes up on the beach --  strolling visitor finds it, picks it up and turns it in -- and it belongs to a young female -- and there is only 1 person that it could belong to because only 1 girl is missing on Aruba  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Okay, Frank -- the lesson 'reminder'  ::MonkeyWink::

THERE  ARE NO COINCIDENCES IN A MURDER INVESTIGATION



AVOID ARUBA AS IF YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT...IT DOES!!!

Justice for Natalee Hollway
Peace for her family and loved ones.



So true Sahron!

O/T And hope your are enjoying the new season of Burn Notice as much as I am!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Anna on November 20, 2010, 04:08:49 PM
I'll bet Rob is right that we'll have to wait until Wednesday.

God Bless Natalee's Family.

Snoopy Courtois  RIP  7-27-1995   11-20-2010  Best dog in the world.


Snoopy, I am so sorry to hear about your dog.  As you know, I like dogs better than most humans but know yours is at peace and will be there for you when the time comes.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: San on November 20, 2010, 04:10:39 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/hotel-map.jpg)


Could it be that that Natalee's jawbone was planted in the Palm Beach area of Aruba ....


1.  To distract from January 7, 2008 recovery of the trap's contents by Aruban divers in the Arashi Beach area?

2.  In an attempt to establish a negotiable avenue for Joran to be extradited from Peru to face murder charges in the 2005 Natalee Holloway case ... murder charges that will never result in a conviction?

3.  To appease Beth Holloway whose ongoing voice for her daughter will continue to be Aruba's worst nightmare if answers are not forthcoming and ... until she can bring her daughter home.


All of the above.

If they are going to give Natalee back to her family now is the time.

4. To make us all go away after five years of fighting and supporting Natalee and her family.

We aren't going away until justice is served.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Anna on November 20, 2010, 04:12:32 PM
I guess my thoughts are it would be pretty hard for a mandible to just wash ashore. I do admit it seems like it is possible, but not very likely at all.

There are rocks and coral out there and it would be snagged and buried under sand. It's highly unlikely it washed up in my opinion. Not to mention, nor forget, the current which is very strong even though it looks calm. Took me a half an hour to swim from the Bahia catamaran to shore at the Hyatt and it's only about 500-600 feet. The current is stronger near the Phoenix.

It either washed there from Bubali or was buried there this entire time, in my opinion. It didn't come from the ocean.

Of course, it could have been planted, but I doubt that because it would rely on a chance discovery to make a "startling" find.  And I don't see a Geerman involved - YET!  ::MonkeyHaHa::


I tend to agree with this idea that the mandible washed down from Bubalbi.  First there was storm surge into the swamp then it receeded which is when and how I think it washed out at this particular time and location.  What are the odds of it washing ashore right where Bubalbi drains into the ocean?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 20, 2010, 04:13:45 PM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/24487-nan-ta-bek-.html

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/11202010_CNNbackinAruba.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

they're bek

saturday, 20 november 2010 13:14

by yesterday afternoon one equipment of produccion y transmicion of cnn is back at aruba, relaciona cu the investigacion cu is wordo haci rond of the kaak descubri in lama at height of westin resort. ministerio publico owing to send the kaak the netherlands for her centro forensico can investiga if the is of one being human. but in prensa mericano sinembargo already they're speculando cu the will can is of natalee holloway, perdi at aruba by year 2005.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/11202010_CNNbackinAruba2.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 20, 2010, 04:14:40 PM

Could it be that that Natalee's jawbone was planted in the Palm Beach area of Aruba ....


1.  To distract from January 7, 2008 recovery of the trap's contents by Aruban divers in the Arashi Beach area?

2.  In an attempt to establish a negotiable avenue for Joran to be extradited from Peru to face murder charges in the 2005 Natalee Holloway case ... murder charges that will never result in a conviction?

3.  To appease Beth Holloway whose ongoing voice for her daughter will continue to be Aruba's worst nightmare if answers are not forthcoming and ... until she can bring her daughter home.


All of the above.

If they are going to give Natalee back to her family now is the time.

4. To make us all go away after five years of fighting and supporting Natalee and her family.

We aren't going away until justice is served.


 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Anna on November 20, 2010, 04:16:08 PM
Oh, I think they are perfectly capable of holding information and releasing it right on Thanksgiving Day, probably between noon and dinner hour!

As Rob said, that' how they roll!

Or they will drag their feet saying Peter Blanken is in The NL and only he can make the announcement.  Or that they could not locate the family first, blah blah blah.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Anna on November 20, 2010, 04:18:23 PM


Wow, TxMom!  You are so good at that news coverage.

So CNN is back on Misery Island!  They either know or are like us and betting on this being Natalee.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: wreck on November 20, 2010, 04:23:51 PM


Wow, TxMom!  You are so good at that news coverage.

So CNN is back on Misery Island!  They either know or are like us and betting on this being Natalee.
Interesting......... maybe they need to do their "damage control" to their own people of Aruba before they do the "damage control" for the rest of the world! They have sold the Aruban people a bill of goods --- now they have to explain why they put the island through hell for 5 1/2 years.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 20, 2010, 04:28:37 PM
http://www.diario.aw/2010/11/huez-comisario-ta-dicidi-ki-ora-un-adicto-ta-wordo-poni-bao-curatela/

Papiamentu translation:

huez comisario is dicidi when one adicto is wordo poni bao curatela

publication: saturday, 20 november 2010.

categoria: general

ronny paskel, 20 dossier owing to bay ministerio publico

oranjestad (aan): daily paper owing to as one interview cu sr. ronny paskel, coordinador of ministerio of salud y sport relaciona cu the proyecto of adiccion. past owing to señala cu sr. jan van der straten owing to come cu one plan cu past owing to present at gobierno caminda cu past owing to elabora on the posibilidad for vang op the drogadictonan, principalmente the chollernan on caya y trece they bao of one sistema of curatela. place one person bao of curatela do not so facil.

have one proceso cune y have cu cuminza recaudando informacion of the person y his pasado relaciona cu his problematica of drugs, owing to tell.

have cu acumula all the hechonan, the procesverbal, among another y work one dossier of the person. the dossier here have cu bay ministerio publico caminda they're evalue y look at if the is good y kico more miss. akinan have declaracion of the family cu in principio is esnan cu is ask for place one person bao curatela, owing to agrega,.

near of this sr. paskel owing to indica cu hour cu the dossier is completo, ministerio publico at his file is entrega the dossier here at huez for ask huez encarga cu the curatela for her declara the person here bao curatela.

hour cu the adicto is bay curatela, according the plan of sr. van der straten, at minister visser is cu the fundacion is bay is curator of the adicto here. owing to come resulta cu this do not factible. miembronan of the various fundacion have to is curator of the adictonan, owing to señala.

all the time, the proyecto owing to entrega 10 dossier at ministerio publico. one of the personanan here owing to fayece one week after cu the dossier owing to stay entrega y is stay 9 person on the dossier here cu owing to bay for ministerio publico y for huez, owing to tell.

have 20 dossier more cu owing to being entrega in his totalidad at ministerio publico y cu also is at caminda for bay hueznan for place one date on cual the caso will worde atendi y cu the person have to bay worde poni bao curatela.

hour cu the worde poni bao curatela esey is encera cu the person here huez can place in one period of one year, contra his boluntad the is worde recogi for of upstairs caya, poni in centro dakota y achieve tratamento compulsory, owing to enfatiza. after of one year, huez is bay evalua if the person here owing to fix. is bay study all his dossiernan y the therapy cu past owing to achieve, because; also the raport of psicologo, of psiquiatra y con the year ey owing to transcuri. if after of one year, huez is achieve cu the person here is suficientemente good, the will kit’e for of curatela without cu have to of prolongacion.

esey is nifica cu hour cu the person leave, the plannan is for her bay in the phase caminda the is bay in one cas caminda the will achieve alohamento for so cuminza his proceso of adaptacion in comunidad. during the proceso here of recuperacion will percura for her person achieve one trabao also y re-socializa, ronny paskel owing to indica. after of the trayectoria here is of wait for cu the personanan can is suficientemente good cu they can bay integra in comunidad.

owing to agrega cu have personanan cu still after of the period ey they do not cla for bay in comunidad. eynan have one plan work for brinda the person one maneho, one proteccion in sort of comunidad aparta caminda cu they can follow live.

this is become also one form of castigo alternative cu huez can impone, envez of sit castigo at kia, for her personanan cu is adicto y cu have problemanan cu they conducta.

ronny paskel owing to indica cu this is the partinan cu is cay bao of cdc (choller detention center) cu is bay change the name for centro of motivacion, caminda the personanan here is bay worde interna at kia.

the idea is for they worde poni in the centro of motivacion y of eynan bay centro dakota for they achieve they tratamento y hour they leave they bay in the centronan of soporte cu have, owing to tell.

have already end some cas of soporte on the island y is intencion for acomoda the personanan here separadamente, person man y person muher apart. in future, have to percura for have one cas so for hobennan also, already cu have one cantidad creciente of hobennan cu is become adicto y cu have to of aid, owing to manifesta.

near of this have the adictonan cu voluntary owing to acepta for bay sand domingo y cu is kedando also at hill colorado. the personanan here for conviccion own owing to dicidi of change they life. they're worde motiba for they achieve tratamento y for they can cura.

the trabao here is uno much intensivo. have hendenan cu is acerca they constantemente on caya for busca mood of motiba they, already cu not can take away they contra they boluntad, owing to expresa.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: wreck on November 20, 2010, 04:36:15 PM
I guess my thoughts are it would be pretty hard for a mandible to just wash ashore. I do admit it seems like it is possible, but not very likely at all.

There are rocks and coral out there and it would be snagged and buried under sand. It's highly unlikely it washed up in my opinion. Not to mention, nor forget, the current which is very strong even though it looks calm. Took me a half an hour to swim from the Bahia catamaran to shore at the Hyatt and it's only about 500-600 feet. The current is stronger near the Phoenix.

It either washed there from Bubali or was buried there this entire time, in my opinion. It didn't come from the ocean.

Of course, it could have been planted, but I doubt that because it would rely on a chance discovery to make a "startling" find.  And I don't see a Geerman involved - YET!  ::MonkeyHaHa::


I tend to agree with this idea that the mandible washed down from Bubalbi.  First there was storm surge into the swamp then it receeded which is when and how I think it washed out at this particular time and location.  What are the odds of it washing ashore right where Bubalbi drains into the ocean?
I agree with you and Lisa that IF the mandible indeed "washed up" -- it was from the jetty or Bubali. I just don't think it washed up -- it was planted.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: starwynn on November 20, 2010, 04:38:22 PM
Snoopy Courtois  RIP  7-27-1995   11-20-2010  Best dog in the world.


My condolences on your dog, and hugs coming your way.  It's hard to loose a good old friend like that, but apparently you took very good care of your friend and I'm sure they knew they were well loved, and loved well in return.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 20, 2010, 04:45:30 PM
I guess my thoughts are it would be pretty hard for a mandible to just wash ashore. I do admit it seems like it is possible, but not very likely at all.

There are rocks and coral out there and it would be snagged and buried under sand. It's highly unlikely it washed up in my opinion. Not to mention, nor forget, the current which is very strong even though it looks calm. Took me a half an hour to swim from the Bahia catamaran to shore at the Hyatt and it's only about 500-600 feet. The current is stronger near the Phoenix.

It either washed there from Bubali or was buried there this entire time, in my opinion. It didn't come from the ocean.

Of course, it could have been planted, but I doubt that because it would rely on a chance discovery to make a "startling" find.  And I don't see a Geerman involved - YET!  ::MonkeyHaHa::


I tend to agree with this idea that the mandible washed down from Bubalbi.  First there was storm surge into the swamp then it receeded which is when and how I think it washed out at this particular time and location.  What are the odds of it washing ashore right where Bubalbi drains into the ocean?
I agree with you and Lisa that IF the mandible indeed "washed up" -- it was from the jetty or Bubali. I just don't think it washed up -- it was planted.
Yeah, I finished painting  ::MonkeyDance:: and I'm back!  I saw this and agree this is another very good theory!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: sharon on November 20, 2010, 04:46:33 PM
I'll bet Rob is right that we'll have to wait until Wednesday.

God Bless Natalee's Family.

Snoopy Courtois  RIP  7-27-1995   11-20-2010  Best dog in the world.

:-(

Hugs to you Snoopy.

RIP Snoopy Courtois


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 20, 2010, 04:50:41 PM

Could it be that that Natalee's jawbone was planted in the Palm Beach area of Aruba ....


1.  To distract from January 7, 2008 recovery of the trap's contents by Aruban divers in the Arashi Beach area?

2.  In an attempt to establish a negotiable avenue for Joran to be extradited from Peru to face murder charges in the 2005 Natalee Holloway case ... murder charges that will never result in a conviction?

3.  To appease Beth Holloway whose ongoing voice for her daughter will continue to be Aruba's worst nightmare if answers are not forthcoming and ... until she can bring her daughter home.


All of the above.

If they are going to give Natalee back to her family now is the time.

4. To make us all go away after five years of fighting and supporting Natalee and her family.

We aren't going away until justice is served.


 ::rhino::

Yes, Yes, and Yes! I've said it before, but I feel strongly enough to say it again: I believe with all my heart that Beth has caused the timing of this. With the recent airing of Peter's show where Beth confronted Joran in jail and then she and Peter returned to Aruba, Beth's words are still ringing in their ears.

She told Joran that when he was sixty she would be across from him asking to let her bring Natalee home. On the beach in Aruba, she promised to return in 5 years with Peter and maybe she could touch the water. They don't laugh at this slight woman anymore. They have learned to believe her, and they have every reason in the world to know that as long as Beth can suddenly make headlines in her quest, the shadow that is Natalee's will loom large over their island. I believe there was a closed door meeting of interested parties where it was decided to give her something of what she seeks in hopes it would dampen her determination.

They want this to all go away. They always have. They just grossly underestimated the steely resolve of a Mother and they underestimated the indignation of those who support her. It's never going away until Natalee is home as a first step.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 20, 2010, 04:54:33 PM
Snoopy Courtois  RIP  7-27-1995   11-20-2010  Best dog in the world.


My condolences on your dog, and hugs coming your way.  It's hard to loose a good old friend like that, but apparently you took very good care of your friend and I'm sure they knew they were well loved, and loved well in return.

The Rainbow Bridge
Inspired by a Norse legend

By the edge of a woods, at the foot of a hill,
Is a lush, green meadow where time stands still.
Where the friends of man and woman do run,
When their time on earth is over and done.

For here, between this world and the next,
Is a place where each beloved creature finds rest.
On this golden land, they wait and they play,
Till the Rainbow Bridge they cross over one day.

No more do they suffer, in pain or in sadness,
For here they are whole, their lives filled with gladness.
Their limbs are restored, their health renewed,
Their bodies have healed, with strength imbued.
They romp through the grass, without even a care,
Until one day they start, and sniff at the air.

All ears prick forward, eyes dart front and back,
Then all of a sudden, one breaks from the pack.
For just at that instant, their eyes have met;
Together again, both person and pet.

So they run to each other, these friends from long past,
The time of their parting is over at last.

The sadness they felt while they were apart,
Has turned into joy once more in each heart.
They embrace with a love that will last forever,

And then, side-by-side, they cross over… together.

So Sorry you are sad now but rest easy...Snoopy's going to be there when you get there! ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 20, 2010, 04:56:07 PM
I'll bet Rob is right that we'll have to wait until Wednesday.

God Bless Natalee's Family.

Snoopy Courtois  RIP  7-27-1995   11-20-2010  Best dog in the world.

Snoopy......... I'm so sorry!! I know it's hard and know how much love passes between us and our furbabies. I don't trust anybody that can't love a dog! I'm sending you heartfelt hugs!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: San on November 20, 2010, 04:56:14 PM

Could it be that that Natalee's jawbone was planted in the Palm Beach area of Aruba ....


1.  To distract from January 7, 2008 recovery of the trap's contents by Aruban divers in the Arashi Beach area?

2.  In an attempt to establish a negotiable avenue for Joran to be extradited from Peru to face murder charges in the 2005 Natalee Holloway case ... murder charges that will never result in a conviction?

3.  To appease Beth Holloway whose ongoing voice for her daughter will continue to be Aruba's worst nightmare if answers are not forthcoming and ... until she can bring her daughter home.


All of the above.

If they are going to give Natalee back to her family now is the time.

4. To make us all go away after five years of fighting and supporting Natalee and her family.

We aren't going away until justice is served.


 ::rhino::

Yes, Yes, and Yes! I've said it before, but I feel strongly enough to say it again: I believe with all my heart that Beth has caused the timing of this. With the recent airing of Peter's show where Beth confronted Joran in jail and then she and Peter returned to Aruba, Beth's words are still ringing in their ears.

She told Joran that when he was sixty she would be across from him asking to let her bring Natalee home. On the beach in Aruba, she promised to return in 5 years with Peter and maybe she could touch the water. They don't laugh at this slight woman anymore. They have learned to believe her, and they have every reason in the world to know that as long as Beth can suddenly make headlines in her quest, the shadow that is Natalee's will loom large over their island. I believe there was a closed door meeting of interested parties where it was decided to give her something of what she seeks in hopes it would dampen her determination.

They want this to all go away. They always have. They just grossly underestimated the steely resolve of a Mother and they underestimated the indignation of those who support her. It's never going away until Natalee is home as a first step.

Well said CBB  :smt038


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: San on November 20, 2010, 04:58:52 PM
I will also say this.  If they are Natalee's remains.  Anita will move off the island and return to the Netherlands with her youngest son next year.  As we all can see the youngest son is not turning out so well and I think she wants him to continue his schooling in the Netherlands under the watchful eye of her relatives.

JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: wreck on November 20, 2010, 04:59:20 PM

Could it be that that Natalee's jawbone was planted in the Palm Beach area of Aruba ....


1.  To distract from January 7, 2008 recovery of the trap's contents by Aruban divers in the Arashi Beach area?

2.  In an attempt to establish a negotiable avenue for Joran to be extradited from Peru to face murder charges in the 2005 Natalee Holloway case ... murder charges that will never result in a conviction?

3.  To appease Beth Holloway whose ongoing voice for her daughter will continue to be Aruba's worst nightmare if answers are not forthcoming and ... until she can bring her daughter home.


All of the above.

If they are going to give Natalee back to her family now is the time.

4. To make us all go away after five years of fighting and supporting Natalee and her family.

We aren't going away until justice is served.


 ::rhino::

Yes, Yes, and Yes! I've said it before, but I feel strongly enough to say it again: I believe with all my heart that Beth has caused the timing of this. With the recent airing of Peter's show where Beth confronted Joran in jail and then she and Peter returned to Aruba, Beth's words are still ringing in their ears.

She told Joran that when he was sixty she would be across from him asking to let her bring Natalee home. On the beach in Aruba, she promised to return in 5 years with Peter and maybe she could touch the water. They don't laugh at this slight woman anymore. They have learned to believe her, and they have every reason in the world to know that as long as Beth can suddenly make headlines in her quest, the shadow that is Natalee's will loom large over their island. I believe there was a closed door meeting of interested parties where it was decided to give her something of what she seeks in hopes it would dampen her determination.

They want this to all go away. They always have. They just grossly underestimated the steely resolve of a Mother and they underestimated the indignation of those who support her. It's never going away until Natalee is home as a first step.
Well said!! That is precisely why I think it was planted.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 20, 2010, 05:02:39 PM

Could it be that that Natalee's jawbone was planted in the Palm Beach area of Aruba ....


1.  To distract from January 7, 2008 recovery of the trap's contents by Aruban divers in the Arashi Beach area?

2.  In an attempt to establish a negotiable avenue for Joran to be extradited from Peru to face murder charges in the 2005 Natalee Holloway case ... murder charges that will never result in a conviction?

3.  To appease Beth Holloway whose ongoing voice for her daughter will continue to be Aruba's worst nightmare if answers are not forthcoming and ... until she can bring her daughter home.


All of the above.

If they are going to give Natalee back to her family now is the time.

4. To make us all go away after five years of fighting and supporting Natalee and her family.

We aren't going away until justice is served.


 ::rhino::

Yes, Yes, and Yes! I've said it before, but I feel strongly enough to say it again: I believe with all my heart that Beth has caused the timing of this. With the recent airing of Peter's show where Beth confronted Joran in jail and then she and Peter returned to Aruba, Beth's words are still ringing in their ears.

She told Joran that when he was sixty she would be across from him asking to let her bring Natalee home. On the beach in Aruba, she promised to return in 5 years with Peter and maybe she could touch the water. They don't laugh at this slight woman anymore. They have learned to believe her, and they have every reason in the world to know that as long as Beth can suddenly make headlines in her quest, the shadow that is Natalee's will loom large over their island. I believe there was a closed door meeting of interested parties where it was decided to give her something of what she seeks in hopes it would dampen her determination.

They want this to all go away. They always have. They just grossly underestimated the steely resolve of a Mother and they underestimated the indignation of those who support her. It's never going away until Natalee is home as a first step.
Most Certainly a Case of Gross Underestimation on their part!  There will be no dampening going on but things sure could heat up! ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 20, 2010, 05:03:23 PM
 ::MonkeyTears:: OMG Lisa......... you got me on the poem.......... groping for kleenex........


I'm nervous about the lack of an announcement about the bone. How on Earth do Beth and Dave go through this? It's beyond cruel to delay an identification and at this point, I'm convinced that's exactly what is happening.

I HATE THEM ALL!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: San on November 20, 2010, 05:06:56 PM
::MonkeyTears:: OMG Lisa......... you got me on the poem.......... groping for kleenex........


I'm nervous about the lack of an announcement about the bone. How on Earth do Beth and Dave go through this? It's beyond cruel to delay an identification and at this point, I'm convinced that's exactly what is happening.

I HATE THEM ALL!!

They are all cruel.  They have no heart.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 20, 2010, 05:10:00 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_81262.php

English version:

‘Jawbone belongs to a young female’

19 Nov, 2010, 13:25 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANJESTAD — The partial jawbone found by American tourists on the beach near the Phoenix Hotel last week Friday, belongs to a young female. At any rate, that’s what American media are saying, who base this on comments from field officer Peter Blanken. He is currently in the Netherlands and was not available for comment this morning.

Meanwhile, the Public Prosecutor (OM) here does not wish to comment on the case and says one will wait for the result from the Dutch Forensic Institute (NFI). Whether Blanken had indeed told the American media that it regarded a jawbone of a young female, solicitor general Taco Stein could not ‘confirm or deny’ this morning. “As I have not spoken to him yet, I do not know what he did or did not say. Our viewpoint remains that we wait for the result from NFI,” Stein said before the Amigoe.

It is unknown yet when the research from the Forensic Institute will be completed. However, the solicitor general does know that no result will be available today anyhow. “We will probably know more next week.” Stein says that based on the result, the OM will ‘consider’ what will be made known to the media and that any relatives will be informed first. “You can imagine the Holloway-family is having a hard time now.” Stein did not wish to anticipate of which consequences a positive identification could have for the investigation into the case surrounding Natalee Holloway. Nevertheless, he says one has meanwhile searched the location where the jawbone had washed ashore. This investigation had not yielded anything, according to Stein.

For that matter, it is still not certain whether one could remove sufficient DNA from the jawbone for positive identification. “We will have to wait what the experts say, but the bone had been in the seawater for a long time.” The DNA material from the jawbone will be compared with the DNA profiles from Natalee’s parents. Dental data from Natalee is supposedly sent from the United States to the Netherlands for comparison as well. The American teenager disappeared without a trace in 2005 after spending an evening out at Carlos and Charlies. Joran van der Sloot was the last person she was seen with. Joran is meanwhile on remand in the Castro Castro prison in Peru. He is suspected of murdering the Peruvian student Stephany Flores last May.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 20, 2010, 05:10:24 PM
Some of you may find this fascinating some of you may not …

If the Mandible turns out to be Natalee’s then the Kalpoes have just as much explaining to do as Joran does.  New Statements should be in order.  I believe if this occurs the Kalpoes will turn against him or him against them and more information will come out maybe enough to lead us to Natalee. We can only hope!

This brings to light what Allison Dubois “Medium”said back in November 2005.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10283432/


COSBY: And real quick, I don‘t know if you can foresee the future, but will we see closure to this case, real quick? 

DUBOIS: I actually do think one of the boys will turn on the other boys and offer up something that will lead to a resolve of the case.  I always did see them near the water with her.  So my concern is that Van Der Sloot knew exactly where to put her, water-wise, where the decomposition or the elements in the water would make it so that she would not be found. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Rob on November 20, 2010, 05:18:25 PM
I will also say this.  If they are Natalee's remains.  Anita will move off the island and return to the Netherlands with her youngest son next year.  As we all can see the youngest son is not turning out so well and I think she wants him to continue his schooling in the Netherlands under the watchful eye of her relatives.

JMO

yep - better move fast and get that youngest slob in den dolder with Dr. Johan before he ends up killing a local girl and the island mobs the house and burns it to the ground.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Rob on November 20, 2010, 05:22:34 PM
Some of you may find this fascinating some of you may not …

If the Mandible turns out to be Natalee’s then the Kalpoes have just as much explaining to do as Joran does.  New Statements should be in order.  I believe if this occurs the Kalpoes will turn against him or him against them and more information will come out maybe enough to lead us to Natalee. We can only hope!

This brings to light what Allison Dubois “Medium”said back in November 2005.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10283432/


COSBY: And real quick, I don‘t know if you can foresee the future, but will we see closure to this case, real quick? 

DUBOIS: I actually do think one of the boys will turn on the other boys and offer up something that will lead to a resolve of the case.  I always did see them near the water with her.  So my concern is that Van Der Sloot knew exactly where to put her, water-wise, where the decomposition or the elements in the water would make it so that she would not be found. 


no offense Lisa, but 80% of the island is near water of some sort. Ponds, drainage ditches, the ocean, pools, overflow spillways... etc. etc....

sort of hard not to be located near water ... on an island.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 20, 2010, 05:23:15 PM
I will also say this.  If they are Natalee's remains.  Anita will move off the island and return to the Netherlands with her youngest son next year.  As we all can see the youngest son is not turning out so well and I think she wants him to continue his schooling in the Netherlands under the watchful eye of her relatives.

JMO

yep - better move fast and get that youngest slob in den dolder with Dr. Johan before he ends up killing a local girl and the island mobs the house and burns it to the ground.

...with them in it.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Rob on November 20, 2010, 05:27:03 PM
I will also say this.  If they are Natalee's remains.  Anita will move off the island and return to the Netherlands with her youngest son next year.  As we all can see the youngest son is not turning out so well and I think she wants him to continue his schooling in the Netherlands under the watchful eye of her relatives.

JMO

yep - better move fast and get that youngest slob in den dolder with Dr. Johan before he ends up killing a local girl and the island mobs the house and burns it to the ground.

...with them in it.   ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 20, 2010, 05:30:04 PM
::MonkeyTears:: OMG Lisa......... you got me on the poem.......... groping for kleenex........


I'm nervous about the lack of an announcement about the bone. How on Earth do Beth and Dave go through this? It's beyond cruel to delay an identification and at this point, I'm convinced that's exactly what is happening.

I HATE THEM ALL!!

They are all cruel.  They have no heart.
They are SCARED - They see an angry mob at the door!  The Rooster has come home to Roost! ::MonkeyHang:: Wimps!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 20, 2010, 05:31:39 PM
Some of you may find this fascinating some of you may not …

If the Mandible turns out to be Natalee’s then the Kalpoes have just as much explaining to do as Joran does.  New Statements should be in order.  I believe if this occurs the Kalpoes will turn against him or him against them and more information will come out maybe enough to lead us to Natalee. We can only hope!

This brings to light what Allison Dubois “Medium”said back in November 2005.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10283432/


COSBY: And real quick, I don‘t know if you can foresee the future, but will we see closure to this case, real quick? 

DUBOIS: I actually do think one of the boys will turn on the other boys and offer up something that will lead to a resolve of the case.  I always did see them near the water with her.  So my concern is that Van Der Sloot knew exactly where to put her, water-wise, where the decomposition or the elements in the water would make it so that she would not be found. 


no offense Lisa, but 80% of the island is near water of some sort. Ponds, drainage ditches, the ocean, pools, overflow spillways... etc. etc....

sort of hard not to be located near water ... on an island.
LOL - You speak the Truth! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 20, 2010, 05:35:09 PM
I’m getting ready to throw tomatoes at the television!  Every 10 minutes Could it be…  ::MonkeyEek::Could it be…  ::MonkeyEek::
Alright already  ::MonkeyShocked:: – Tell us what we want to hear!!! ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 20, 2010, 05:40:34 PM
Some of you may find this fascinating some of you may not …

If the Mandible turns out to be Natalee’s then the Kalpoes have just as much explaining to do as Joran does.  New Statements should be in order.  I believe if this occurs the Kalpoes will turn against him or him against them and more information will come out maybe enough to lead us to Natalee. We can only hope!

This brings to light what Allison Dubois “Medium”said back in November 2005.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10283432/


COSBY: And real quick, I don‘t know if you can foresee the future, but will we see closure to this case, real quick? 

DUBOIS: I actually do think one of the boys will turn on the other boys and offer up something that will lead to a resolve of the case.  I always did see them near the water with her.  So my concern is that Van Der Sloot knew exactly where to put her, water-wise, where the decomposition or the elements in the water would make it so that she would not be found. 


no offense Lisa, but 80% of the island is near water of some sort. Ponds, drainage ditches, the ocean, pools, overflow spillways... etc. etc....

sort of hard not to be located near water ... on an island.
LOL - You speak the Truth! ::MonkeyHaHa::


My Point was more so that, this could be the thing that turns them against each other enough to force the truth!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: AZSunny on November 20, 2010, 05:47:40 PM
I guess my thoughts are it would be pretty hard for a mandible to just wash ashore. I do admit it seems like it is possible, but not very likely at all.

There are rocks and coral out there and it would be snagged and buried under sand. It's highly unlikely it washed up in my opinion. Not to mention, nor forget, the current which is very strong even though it looks calm. Took me a half an hour to swim from the Bahia catamaran to shore at the Hyatt and it's only about 500-600 feet. The current is stronger near the Phoenix.

It either washed there from Bubali or was buried there this entire time, in my opinion. It didn't come from the ocean.

Of course, it could have been planted, but I doubt that because it would rely on a chance discovery to make a "startling" find.  And I don't see a Geerman involved - YET!  ::MonkeyHaHa::


I tend to agree with this idea that the mandible washed down from Bubalbi.  First there was storm surge into the swamp then it receeded which is when and how I think it washed out at this particular time and location.  What are the odds of it washing ashore right where Bubalbi drains into the ocean?

I totally agree.  This is the most feasible idea, I believe.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on November 20, 2010, 05:52:20 PM
I'll bet Rob is right that we'll have to wait until Wednesday.

God Bless Natalee's Family.

Snoopy Courtois  RIP  7-27-1995   11-20-2010  Best dog in the world.

I am so sorry.....we knew it was coming....but it is never easy....hugs to you and M


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Ono on November 20, 2010, 06:07:36 PM
::MonkeyTears:: OMG Lisa......... you got me on the poem.......... groping for kleenex........


I'm nervous about the lack of an announcement about the bone. How on Earth do Beth and Dave go through this? It's beyond cruel to delay an identification and at this point, I'm convinced that's exactly what is happening.

I HATE THEM ALL!!

They are all cruel.  They have no heart.

Sadistic & they seem to enjoy holding the cards regardless of the truth of the matter at hand or anyone's misery.  One-upsmanship or something.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 20, 2010, 06:22:11 PM
::MonkeyTears:: OMG Lisa......... you got me on the poem.......... groping for kleenex........


I'm nervous about the lack of an announcement about the bone. How on Earth do Beth and Dave go through this? It's beyond cruel to delay an identification and at this point, I'm convinced that's exactly what is happening.

I HATE THEM ALL!!

They are all cruel.  They have no heart.

Sadistic & they seem to enjoy holding the cards regardless of the truth of the matter at hand or anyone's misery.  One-upsmanship or something.

I'm wondering if the hold up may be that they are running tests on the degradation to see if they can detect where it's been. Say possibly in the marsh? Or maybe they are trying to establish who it is if it is not Natalee before they give us the news .. You know to cut us off at the pass so to speak.  I know that is a daunting thought!  This is knawing at my heart! Driving me   :2ukli: ::pullinghairout::::bananadance::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Rob on November 20, 2010, 06:22:39 PM
I guess my thoughts are it would be pretty hard for a mandible to just wash ashore. I do admit it seems like it is possible, but not very likely at all.

There are rocks and coral out there and it would be snagged and buried under sand. It's highly unlikely it washed up in my opinion. Not to mention, nor forget, the current which is very strong even though it looks calm. Took me a half an hour to swim from the Bahia catamaran to shore at the Hyatt and it's only about 500-600 feet. The current is stronger near the Phoenix.

It either washed there from Bubali or was buried there this entire time, in my opinion. It didn't come from the ocean.

Of course, it could have been planted, but I doubt that because it would rely on a chance discovery to make a "startling" find.  And I don't see a Geerman involved - YET!  ::MonkeyHaHa::


I tend to agree with this idea that the mandible washed down from Bubalbi.  First there was storm surge into the swamp then it receeded which is when and how I think it washed out at this particular time and location.  What are the odds of it washing ashore right where Bubalbi drains into the ocean?

I totally agree.  This is the most feasible idea, I believe.

maybe they will be forced to drain a nature reserve... .. oh God, wouldn't that be delicious.... ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: wreck on November 20, 2010, 06:25:45 PM
::MonkeyTears:: OMG Lisa......... you got me on the poem.......... groping for kleenex........


I'm nervous about the lack of an announcement about the bone. How on Earth do Beth and Dave go through this? It's beyond cruel to delay an identification and at this point, I'm convinced that's exactly what is happening.

I HATE THEM ALL!!

They are all cruel.  They have no heart.

Sadistic & they seem to enjoy holding the cards regardless of the truth of the matter at hand or anyone's misery.  One-upsmanship or something.

I'm wondering if the hold up may be that they are running tests on the degradation to see if they can detect where it's been. Say possibly in the marsh? Or maybe they are trying to establish who it is if it is not Natalee before they give us the news .. You know to cut us off at the pass so to speak.  I know that is a daunting thought!  This is knawing at my heart! Driving me   :2ukli: ::pullinghairout::::bananadance::
How many young white females are missing on that island????? Who else COULD it be? According to them, Natalee was the first crime ever committed on the island ......... and they really haven't admitted Natalee was even a crime victim yet to begin with!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 20, 2010, 06:41:08 PM
At this point, Natalee's ruled out or in. To not be letting that out is cruel to the family regardless of what else they feel needs to be done.

I'd bet a lot of money that they're testing for the possibility that date rape drugs can be determined from the tooth before they make a decision whether or not to admit it's Natalee.

The identity has been made. There is no scenario that isn't incredibly cruel to hoard that information alone, and no decent reason not to. The dental records would nail Natalee in or out and they've looked at those by now at the very least. This is an outrage and they are not doing themselves any favors.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: wreck on November 20, 2010, 06:44:11 PM
At this point, Natalee's ruled out or in. To not be letting that out is cruel to the family regardless of what else they feel needs to be done.

I'd bet a lot of money that they're testing for the possibility that date rape drugs can be determined from the tooth before they make a decision whether or not to admit it's Natalee.

The identity has been made. There is no scenario that isn't incredibly cruel to hoard that information alone, and no decent reason not to. The dental records would nail Natalee in or out and they've looked at those by now at the very least. This is an outrage and they are not doing themselves any favors.
Do you think they would have the decency to inform Beth and dave before announcing their findings to the world......................................... HIGHLY doubt it.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 20, 2010, 06:49:30 PM
At this point, Natalee's ruled out or in. To not be letting that out is cruel to the family regardless of what else they feel needs to be done.

I'd bet a lot of money that they're testing for the possibility that date rape drugs can be determined from the tooth before they make a decision whether or not to admit it's Natalee.

The identity has been made. There is no scenario that isn't incredibly cruel to hoard that information alone, and no decent reason not to. The dental records would nail Natalee in or out and they've looked at those by now at the very least. This is an outrage and they are not doing themselves any favors.
Do you think they would have the decency to inform Beth and dave before announcing their findings to the world......................................... HIGHLY doubt it.

Wreck............ you and I think alike. It crossed my mind, but then I laughed.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 20, 2010, 07:00:21 PM
At this point, Natalee's ruled out or in. To not be letting that out is cruel to the family regardless of what else they feel needs to be done.

I'd bet a lot of money that they're testing for the possibility that date rape drugs can be determined from the tooth before they make a decision whether or not to admit it's Natalee.

The identity has been made. There is no scenario that isn't incredibly cruel to hoard that information alone, and no decent reason not to. The dental records would nail Natalee in or out and they've looked at those by now at the very least. This is an outrage and they are not doing themselves any favors.
Do you think they would have the decency to inform Beth and dave before announcing their findings to the world......................................... HIGHLY doubt it.


Wreck............ you and I think alike. It crossed my mind, but then I laughed.   ::MonkeyCool::
Have they ever announced over a weekend?  I can't remember?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on November 20, 2010, 07:01:04 PM
Some of you may find this fascinating some of you may not …

If the Mandible turns out to be Natalee’s then the Kalpoes have just as much explaining to do as Joran does.  New Statements should be in order.  I believe if this occurs the Kalpoes will turn against him or him against them and more information will come out maybe enough to lead us to Natalee. We can only hope!

This brings to light what Allison Dubois “Medium”said back in November 2005.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10283432/


COSBY: And real quick, I don‘t know if you can foresee the future, but will we see closure to this case, real quick? 

DUBOIS: I actually do think one of the boys will turn on the other boys and offer up something that will lead to a resolve of the case.  I always did see them near the water with her.  So my concern is that Van Der Sloot knew exactly where to put her, water-wise, where the decomposition or the elements in the water would make it so that she would not be found. 


no offense Lisa, but 80% of the island is near water of some sort. Ponds, drainage ditches, the ocean, pools, overflow spillways... etc. etc....

sort of hard not to be located near water ... on an island.

Hi Rob!  Hi Monks!  thanks Rob....I was wondering when someone was going to say it's an island!  LOL  OK...back to the rafters for me ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 20, 2010, 07:06:28 PM
Arubans urge Holloway's father to delay search during Peruvian probeBy the CNN Wire Staff
June 17, 2010 -- Updated 2256 GMT (0656 HKT)


STORY HIGHLIGHTS

Natalee Holloway's father wants to search swamp area for daughter's remains
Authorities want to wait until Peruvian authorities give more information
Aruban investigators will not question van der Sloot until after Peruvians

(CNN) -- Aruban authorities are urging Natalee Holloway's father, Dave Holloway, to delay volunteer search efforts in her disappearance until police get better information on the case from Peruvian investigators who have spoken to Joran van der Sloot, prosecutor Peter Blanken said.

Police do not want their investigation jeopardized or possible evidence contaminated in the Bubali Bird Sanctuary, a swamp area where Joran once said he dumped Holloway's body, Blanken said. Aruban authorities wish to search a more focused area once they receive more information from van der Sloot and his laptop, which may include files linking him to the Holloway disappearance.

Earlier, Blanken said investigators from Aruba would not be able to question van der Sloot until Peruvian authorities finish their probe of the May 30 slaying of Stephany Flores. The formalities of Peruvian law also will determine the time frame, the prosecutor said.

Aruban and Peruvian authorities agreed to "help each other" in the Flores case.

Van der Sloot, a 22-year-old Dutch citizen, was arrested twice in Aruba in connection with Holloway's disappearance but released for lack of evidence. Aruba is part of the Netherlands.

He said he was in Peru for a poker tournament and met Flores while gambling. Police have said they think van der Sloot killed Flores to steal money she won.

Van der Sloot told authorities he attacked Flores on May 30 after she read an e-mail on his computer connected with the Holloway case.

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/17/aruba.van.der.sloot/index.html?npt=NP1



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: snoopy on November 20, 2010, 07:07:49 PM

Authorities kept asking Beth, Jug and Dave if Natalee had a history of seizures.

Van Der Stratten said "Because I have seen the evidence"

They were going to frame the security guards and return Natalee.  When that didn't work they closed ranks and couldn't let the world know what Joran the son of a so called judge had done.  It didn't work because of Beth.

Deepaks own words "We all had sex with her.  You wouldn't believe how simple it was".

I think they've finally figured out that Beth keeps her promises.  She isn't going to go away.  This will never end until Natalee is returned and justice is served.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 20, 2010, 07:15:50 PM

Authorities kept asking Beth, Jug and Dave if Natalee had a history of seizures.

Van Der Stratten said "Because I have seen the evidence"

They were going to frame the security guards and return Natalee.  When that didn't work they closed ranks and couldn't let the world know what Joran the son of a so called judge had done.  It didn't work because of Beth.

Deepaks own words "We all had sex with her.  You wouldn't believe how simple it was".

I think they've finally figured out that Beth keeps her promises.  She isn't going to go away.  This will never end until Natalee is returned and justice is served.


  Yes! Now that some EVIDENCE has gotten past them they are in a terrible JAM and they can't figure a way out!  OMG the WORLD IS WATCHING!  It's not going to be so easy for them to Lie thier way out of this one!  They are probably trying to figure out where they can hide Van der Stratten!  Maybe Lipo and Plastic Surgery?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 20, 2010, 07:22:20 PM
Some of you may find this fascinating some of you may not …

If the Mandible turns out to be Natalee’s then the Kalpoes have just as much explaining to do as Joran does.  New Statements should be in order.  I believe if this occurs the Kalpoes will turn against him or him against them and more information will come out maybe enough to lead us to Natalee. We can only hope!

This brings to light what Allison Dubois “Medium”said back in November 2005.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10283432/


COSBY: And real quick, I don‘t know if you can foresee the future, but will we see closure to this case, real quick? 

DUBOIS: I actually do think one of the boys will turn on the other boys and offer up something that will lead to a resolve of the case.  I always did see them near the water with her.  So my concern is that Van Der Sloot knew exactly where to put her, water-wise, where the decomposition or the elements in the water would make it so that she would not be found. 


no offense Lisa, but 80% of the island is near water of some sort. Ponds, drainage ditches, the ocean, pools, overflow spillways... etc. etc....

sort of hard not to be located near water ... on an island.

Hi Rob!  Hi Monks!  thanks Rob....I was wondering when someone was going to say it's an island!  LOL  OK...back to the rafters for me ::MonkeyHaHa::

Have you ever done something or said something and then had a V8 moment okay I'm LAughing!  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Rob on November 20, 2010, 07:24:46 PM
JVM just said any minute the results will be known.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

It's midnight in Holland. Come on now mullethead.  ::MonkeyDevil::

she wasn't specific which minute - like it could be one tomorrow or the next day or the following day - or even next week.  ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on November 20, 2010, 07:26:20 PM
Some of you may find this fascinating some of you may not …

If the Mandible turns out to be Natalee’s then the Kalpoes have just as much explaining to do as Joran does.  New Statements should be in order.  I believe if this occurs the Kalpoes will turn against him or him against them and more information will come out maybe enough to lead us to Natalee. We can only hope!

This brings to light what Allison Dubois “Medium”said back in November 2005.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10283432/


COSBY: And real quick, I don‘t know if you can foresee the future, but will we see closure to this case, real quick? 

DUBOIS: I actually do think one of the boys will turn on the other boys and offer up something that will lead to a resolve of the case.  I always did see them near the water with her.  So my concern is that Van Der Sloot knew exactly where to put her, water-wise, where the decomposition or the elements in the water would make it so that she would not be found. 


no offense Lisa, but 80% of the island is near water of some sort. Ponds, drainage ditches, the ocean, pools, overflow spillways... etc. etc....

sort of hard not to be located near water ... on an island.

Hi Rob!  Hi Monks!  thanks Rob....I was wondering when someone was going to say it's an island!  LOL  OK...back to the rafters for me ::MonkeyHaHa::

Have you ever done something or said something and then had a V8 moment okay I'm LAughing!  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyCool::

OFTEN!  VERY OFTEN!   ::MonkeyJnBox::   We have all been there, done that! ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Rob on November 20, 2010, 07:26:35 PM
according to Stinkasaurus - the Hague will make the announcement. If I caught that right.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on November 20, 2010, 07:28:55 PM
JVM just said any minute the results will be known.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

It's midnight in Holland. Come on now mullethead.  ::MonkeyDevil::

she wasn't specific which minute - like it could be one tomorrow or the next day or the following day - or even next week.  ::rhino::

She is on :smt033 without a doubt. Rob I think you were spot on when you predicted Wednesday evening.. ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Rob on November 20, 2010, 07:29:26 PM
This hasta be a repeat from last night right? someone tell me it is...

There was a small part about the family murdered - and found in the tree... but it was revealed today that they were stabbed and dismembered - so this show must be from yesterday - right??


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on November 20, 2010, 07:30:03 PM
according to Stinkasaurus - the Hague will make the announcement. If I caught that right.

and is that her 'personal' opinion ::dogwag::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Rob on November 20, 2010, 07:31:14 PM
JVM just said any minute the results will be known.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

It's midnight in Holland. Come on now mullethead.  ::MonkeyDevil::

she wasn't specific which minute - like it could be one tomorrow or the next day or the following day - or even next week.  ::rhino::

She is on :smt033 without a doubt. Rob I think you were spot on when you predicted Wednesday evening.. ::MonkeyWink::

Hi Sunny  ::HelloKitty::

happy holidays to you ...

I think it's easy to think it will be Weds - after what they did during Katrina anyway..


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Rob on November 20, 2010, 07:36:56 PM
Maybe the KLPD is busy rounding up all the co-conspirators before they make the earth shattering announcement.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I know I know.... I almost threw up a lil even considering it...  ::MonkeyLaugh::

Start at the police station in Noord  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on November 20, 2010, 07:43:37 PM
JVM just said any minute the results will be known.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

It's midnight in Holland. Come on now mullethead.  ::MonkeyDevil::

she wasn't specific which minute - like it could be one tomorrow or the next day or the following day - or even next week.  ::rhino::

She is on :smt033 without a doubt. Rob I think you were spot on when you predicted Wednesday evening.. ::MonkeyWink::

Hi Sunny  ::HelloKitty::

happy holidays to you ...

I think it's easy to think it will be Weds - after what they did during Katrina anyway..

Happy Holidays to you Rob and to everyone....yes, I agree.....and they loved to make announcements on Friday and Holidays.....

I don't see this as anything other than purposeful..... why wasn't the area  taped of and every inch of that sand sifted through..IMO...because they knew what they planted and where....and why has the 'tourists' who found it not stepped up?  This just stinks of a script they are writing as they go......


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: snoopy on November 20, 2010, 07:51:59 PM
They couldn't even put on a good show.  They don't need to tape off the beach area where the bone was found because they already have the rest.  Jeez they can't do anything right.  Idiots!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: San on November 20, 2010, 07:53:42 PM
They couldn't even put on a good show.  They don't need to tape off the beach area where the bone was found because they already have the rest.  Jeez they can't do anything right.  Idiots!!


Exactly snoopy.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 20, 2010, 07:59:16 PM
JVM just said any minute the results will be known.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

It's midnight in Holland. Come on now mullethead.  ::MonkeyDevil::

she wasn't specific which minute - like it could be one tomorrow or the next day or the following day - or even next week.  ::rhino::

She is on :smt033 without a doubt. Rob I think you were spot on when you predicted Wednesday evening.. ::MonkeyWink::

Hi Sunny  ::HelloKitty::

happy holidays to you ...

I think it's easy to think it will be Weds - after what they did during Katrina anyway..

Happy Holidays to you Rob and to everyone....yes, I agree.....and they loved to make announcements on Friday and Holidays.....

I don't see this as anything other than purposeful..... why wasn't the area  taped of and every inch of that sand sifted through..IMO...because they knew what they planted and where....and why has the 'tourists' who found it not stepped up?  This just stinks of a script they are writing as they go......

You bet SunnyinTX.

Authorities were fully aware that the rest of Natalee Holloway's remains were in an evidence draw in those little bags that were were used in the trap recovery process.

However ... going through the the motions of an investigation of the area of the "find" may have convinced some that the dignity and respect of the person connected to the jawbone was a priority.

Something akin to the tourist who took the underwater picture in Aruban waters  that appeared to be skeletal remains ... I would think the tourist who found the jawbone would have stepped forward by now for his/her 15 minutes of fame in the talk show circuit.  I could be wrong.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on November 20, 2010, 08:03:13 PM
This hasta be a repeat from last night right? someone tell me it is...

There was a small part about the family murdered - and found in the tree... but it was revealed today that they were stabbed and dismembered - so this show must be from yesterday - right??

Nancy Grace is always a repeat on weekends.....JVM too, I think. I do not have cable anymore so I can't see what you are watching.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 20, 2010, 08:06:14 PM
Sorry, I don't know how to bring the video over! 

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/24490-atencion-special-pa-aruba-atrobe.html

Papiamentu translation:

atencion special for aruba again

saturday, 20 november 2010 20:02

popup video

canalnan of television mericano is dunando atencion special for her caso of the "kaak" cu one tourist owing to descubri week happen in lama among westin y phoenix resort. is specula cu the "kaak" can is of natalee holloway, cu owing to lose at aruba by year 2005. by yesterday the canal noticioso cnn owing to arrive aruba y is transmitiendo bibo for of we island. at more cu one ocasion owing to bay "live" stop fast edificio of ministerio publico. the message is cu the investigacion is casi cla y cu in the next dianan the netherlands will divulga cu if the "kaak" is of one being human y if the will can is of the student mericano. separa of cnn, mayan diadomingo one equipment of nbc also is at aruba y fox news also is haciendo preparacion for come give cobertura for of aruba. others also is pendiente for see cu if have one desaroyo interesting for they also cuminsa come direction for aruba. financieramente also presencia of the ekiponan of produccion here have one efecto positive. directie telecommunicatie zaken (dtz) is cobra for derechonan of transmicion for of we island. in some caso the ekiponan is huur companianan of produccion local for help they or is huur taxistanan for core rond cu they all day. the berdad is cu still not have none novedad in the caso of the "kaak" cu the turistanan owing to encontra in lama week happen. ministerio publico is think cu in week the result will stay cla y they will divulga cu if the "kaak" is of one being human y in the caso ey for verifica cu if the is of the student mericano. till still all cos is stay speculacion, because the opcionnan can is various. have more person perdi at aruba. mature is cu the bad time of ultimo simannan owing to cause cu wind owing to become y lama owing to become bruto. in the caso here lama owing to saca all locual the had scondi in fondo. separa of grass, past owing to saca one "kaak" also. is think cu for tuesday will can come more claridad in the asunto here.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: nimrod on November 20, 2010, 08:27:19 PM
Aruba threw down a bone for Beth to get the monkey(s) off their back.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Serenity on November 20, 2010, 08:34:06 PM
Does anyone know if Anita and her youngest are still on the Island ?????


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 20, 2010, 08:40:37 PM
Yes,Anita and sebastian are still in Aruba.  Valentijn might also be there if he's done with school.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Serenity on November 20, 2010, 08:43:06 PM
Wow, that just amazes me


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 20, 2010, 09:15:24 PM
Somebody go and listen to this interview at RU.  It is suppose to be Daniel and Kelly the
psycho psychics, but it sounds exactly like Steph Watts to me.


Edited to remove link = San


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: San on November 20, 2010, 09:20:11 PM
Somebody go and listen to this interview at RU.  It is suppose to be Daniel and Kelly the
psycho psychics, but it sounds exactly like Steph Watts to me.

Edited to remove link = San

Note to self.  Don't click on a few of those videos without shutting the other off  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I can't tell.  I will listen again.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: San on November 20, 2010, 09:24:30 PM
This guy said Odobur met with him and his wife.

That is definitely not Steph Watts.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 20, 2010, 09:24:30 PM
Somebody go and listen to this interview at RU.  It is suppose to be Daniel and Kelly the
psycho psychics, but it sounds exactly like Steph Watts to me.

Edited to remove link = San

It Sounds like Steph Watts to me too but, Who ever it is he's - He's a total Wack Job!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 20, 2010, 09:24:48 PM
Somebody go and listen to this interview at RU.  It is suppose to be Daniel and Kelly the
psycho psychics, but it sounds exactly like Steph Watts to me.

Edited to remove link = San

Note to self.  Don't click on a few of those videos without shutting the other off  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I can't tell.  I will listen again.

That first one that is the interview with Paul Lilly sounds just like Steph Watts to me.
No wonder he was so anxious to bash Beth.  


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 20, 2010, 09:25:51 PM
This guy said Odobur met with him and his wife.

That is definitely not Steph Watts.

Are you sure San?? Listen again.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: San on November 20, 2010, 09:26:05 PM
Magnolia if you don't mind I'm going to remove those links in a few minutes.  So if people want to listen make sure you save the link please.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 20, 2010, 09:28:21 PM
This guy said Odobur met with him and his wife.

That is definitely not Steph Watts.


Part of it is Daniel and Kelly, but it is in cahoots with Steph Watts, IMO.

Daniel and Kelly are married to each other now.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: San on November 20, 2010, 09:29:15 PM
This guy said Odobur met with him and his wife.

That is definitely not Steph Watts.

Are you sure San?? Listen again.

I could have clicked on the wrong one.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 20, 2010, 09:30:08 PM
Magnolia if you don't mind I'm going to remove those links in a few minutes.  So if people want to listen make sure you save the link please.

Sure San,  I know better than to link to there, but it sounded important.. all things considered.
Sorry


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: San on November 20, 2010, 09:30:12 PM
This guy said Odobur met with him and his wife.

That is definitely not Steph Watts.


Part of it is Daniel and Kelly, but it is in cahoots with Steph Watts, IMO.

Daniel and Kelly are married to each other now.

OK got it.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: San on November 20, 2010, 09:31:07 PM
Magnolia if you don't mind I'm going to remove those links in a few minutes.  So if people want to listen make sure you save the link please.

Sure San,  I know better than to link to there, but it sounded important.. all things considered.
Sorry

That's OK Magnolia.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: snoopy on November 20, 2010, 10:54:25 PM
I wonder if it bothers Silvetti or Trahan at all that more than likely they could have returned most all of Natalee's remains, but instead Beth and Dave may only get a jaw bone?  Does that not tick you off?

Unbelievable


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 20, 2010, 10:57:43 PM
I wonder if it bothers Silvetti or Trahan at all that more than likely they could have returned most all of Natalee's remains, but instead Beth and Dave may only get a jaw bone?  Does that not tick you off?

Unbelievable

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 20, 2010, 11:01:48 PM
I wonder if it bothers Silvetti or Trahan at all that more than likely they could have returned most all of Natalee's remains, but instead Beth and Dave may only get a jaw bone?  Does that not tick you off?

Unbelievable

It ticks me off, Snoopy and I do believe it, unfortunately.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: mariloo on November 20, 2010, 11:04:55 PM
I cannot imagine Aruba would not have been out searching the area where the jawbone was found.  This would have shown they are interested in finding Natalee.  Either they know for a fact nothing else is there (because they already have the rest of her); ...or they have been advised not to start this search back up.  This is the most corrupt form of law enforcement I believe I have ever seen.  Maybe it is because it is the one I have paid the most attention to.  That is really the pitts when you cannot trust the LE.  I still go back to the first night.  I believe Joran took Nataee to his house and something happened there.  He freaked out, called daddy and daddy helped him,  I still have chills when Beth got to he Sloots house.  I thought for sure Natalee was still in that house somewhere.  JVS is one really sick b@$++++!!!!! ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: IBE on November 20, 2010, 11:16:10 PM
Waiting is hard, isn't it?

Anything they announce between now and Thanksgiving, will be the talk among families getting together. Really bad press one way or another for Aruba. I feel for the good people of Aruba and wish the bad people to get whatever is in store for them.

Don't forget, good monkeys, while we are waiting and if we are ordering books, software, etc vs. biting the rest of our nails, use the Amazon link on this page and it helps Red keep the forum going.

A safe, Happy Thanksgiving to all! Over the river and through the woods....

Snoopy I am so sorry. Mine is 14 and blind. I that God every day I have him. So sorry Snoopy, Love, IBE

Happy vacation, Klaas! I didn't believe you ever took one

ps CBB am going over and ask for a Christmas outfit for my imp avatar.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 20, 2010, 11:16:13 PM
Not that they won't do it, but very soon they're going to come under some growing criticism for not announcing the findings. Too many forensic scientists out there on TV saying "They know by now!"

You would think that just once throughout this whole thing they could make a move in the right way. Sheer odds would suggest they'd screw up and do it right just once!



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 20, 2010, 11:20:53 PM
Waiting is hard, isn't it?

Anything they announce between now and Thanksgiving, will be the talk among families getting together. Really bad press one way or another for Aruba. I feel for the good people of Aruba and wish the bad people to get whatever is in store for them.

Don't forget, good monkeys, while we are waiting and if we are ordering books, software, etc vs. biting the rest of our nails, use the Amazon link on this page and it helps Red keep the forum going.

A safe, Happy Thanksgiving to all! Over the river and through the woods....

Snoopy I am so sorry. Mine is 14 and blind. I that God every day I have him. So sorry Snoopy, Love, IBE

Happy vacation, Klaas! I didn't believe you ever took one

ps CBB am going over and ask for a Christmas outfit for my imp avatar.

Waiting is particularly hard when there's no need to have to! I feel so bad for Beth and Dave, knowing how we feel, I can't imagine how hard this is for them. Sadistic Bastards; I HATE THEM ALL!


PS Backatcha IBE: I'll be glad to get you dressed for Christmas!  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: snoopy on November 20, 2010, 11:22:53 PM
IBE it sure is good to see you.  I think of you often and hope you are doing well.  God Bless.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 20, 2010, 11:53:44 PM
I Fear the Worst but Prayed for a Miracle

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 6
:  On Monday, May 30, Natalee's trip came to an end, and she was due to fly home to Alabama.  But late in the afternoon, I received a call from Matt telling me that Natalee had missed her flight and that Beth was getting on a plane to Aruba.

Page 7:  Beth had flown out of Birmingham on a friend's private jet as soon as she learned that Natalee had missed her flight.  I contacted a commerical airline and booked the next flight out for 5:30 a.m. the following morning.

Later that night, Matt called again to tell me that Natalee's flight had been rebooked, and she would be coming home the next day.  Someone from Delta Airlines had confirmed that a female had called and changed the flight.

I cancelled my flight, but I was still concerned because no one had heard from Natalee.

The next morning, I started making more calls.  I could not reach Beth, and I was unable to get a member of the Aruban police force to talk to me on the phone about Natalee.

By noon I learned that Natalee was not getting on the plane.  I found out that it had been a chaperone from Natalee's group who had changed her flight in the hopes that she would reappear.  It was then that I knew something tragic must have happened.  I feared the worst, but prayed for a miracle.  I hung up the phone and broke down .....

+++++


ARUBA: THE TRAGIC UNTOLD STORY OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY AND CORRUPTION IN PARADISE
By Dave Holloway


Publisher: Thomas Nelson Publishers-Business (Mar 15 2006)
Language: English
ISBN-10: 1595550631
ISBN-13: 978-1595550637




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 20, 2010, 11:54:00 PM
A Life Forever Changed

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 23:
  Rested and refreshed, we leave Memphis late Monday morning with Linda driving and Marilyn up front with her.  I take the backseat.  We sail along, chatting like we alway do, talking about our plans for another road trip one day soon.  Marilyn and I are happily speculating about what our daughters' reactions will be when they open their presents to find a set of extraordinary Wizard of Oz figures.  Natalee will gasp with excitement when she sees these.  Before we know it, we've crossed over into Mississippi.  Somewhere amid our conversation, between the chuckles and the small talk, my cell phone rings. I don't recognize the number, but answer it anyway, which I usually don't do.

It's a young girl.  "Mrs. Twitty?  My mom ... umm ... my mom, she umm ... wants to talk to you."  It's the daughter of Judi, the travel agent.  She developed appendicitis right before the trip, so she and Jodi didn't get to go to Aruba.  They are in Birmingham.  It seems like an eternity before Jodi takes the phone.

"Tell me what's going on," I say in a voice much firmer than the one I usually hear coming from my mouth.

She simply says, "Natalee didn't show up this morning to get on the plane."

And instantly I know.  It's more than a mother's intuition.  It's certainty.  Something terrible has happened.  I have just answered the proverbial dreaded phone call that no mother or father every wants to receive.  The one we fear from the moment our children are born.  The one that changes a parent's life forever.

++++++


Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway


ISBN: 9780061452277; ISBN10: 0061452270; Imprint: HarperOne ; On Sale: 10/2/2007


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: carpe noctem on November 21, 2010, 12:42:42 AM
Betcha the Poes butts are squinched up real tight right now - they could cut a diamond in half.

Time to sneak up behind Dirtpock and Succotash and clap your hands real loud and yell POW!

They'd shoot themselves from the dining room table out onto the porch!

Have you ever done that to somebody before? ::MonkeyDevil::

Enjoy your last free days, boys.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 21, 2010, 01:15:27 AM
Hey Carpe! Your witch is a little behind the times....   ::MonkeyWink::

How about a Santa's Helper?

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Carpe.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Carpe.gif

I'm with you, K2 could be a diamond factory if they had a supply of coal!   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: carpe noctem on November 21, 2010, 01:20:42 AM
 :smt049 :smt049 :smt049 :smt049 :smt049

For Natalee's Family.

:smt049 :smt049 :smt049 :smt049 :smt049

Sorry to hear about your doggie, Snoop.
It's good to know that your buddy had an
owner as nice as you and was loved. It doesn't
get much better than that!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: carpe noctem on November 21, 2010, 01:22:45 AM
Hey Carpe! Your witch is a little behind the times....   ::MonkeyWink::

How about a Santa's Helper?

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Carpe.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Carpe.gif

I'm with you, K2 could be a diamond factory if they had a supply of coal!   ::MonkeyWink::


Perfect!!! Thanks CBB... going to change it out now.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Scandi on November 21, 2010, 02:44:36 AM
I'm so happy I got a Thanksgiving turkey wih a bit of 'snap' in his young bones.    ::CowboySmiley::  LOL  Thanks CBB   ::MonkeyKiss::

I was hoping there would be news today ;{    Thanks Tamikosmom for the snips from Beth's book.   Does she mention anything about the call Judd {?} answered in the middle of the night that was from Aruba?

xox


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 21, 2010, 04:00:36 AM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)

Justice for Natalee...

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

and Stephany!  

::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: GabbyG on November 21, 2010, 06:25:16 AM
Hi Monkeys! I am right here with you while we all wait together. I have always been here, just not always signed in. I pray for strength for Dave and Beth while they wait, and wonder if maybe they have already been told? But how wishful I am, hoping that Aruba would be decent enough to do that.

Love to you all, and thanks for fighting the good fight and never giving up. Sending Happy Thanksgiving wishes to everyone. I will be anxiously waiting for the news along with all of you.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 21, 2010, 06:29:06 AM
Hi Monkeys! I am right here with you while we all wait together. I have always been here, just not always signed in. I pray for strength for Dave and Beth while they wait, and wonder if maybe they have already been told? But how wishful I am, hoping that Aruba would be decent enough to do that.

Love to you all, and thanks for fighting the good fight and never giving up. Sending Happy Thanksgiving wishes to everyone. I will be anxiously waiting for the news along with all of you.




So good to see you GabbyG.  We'll all wait together.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: San on November 21, 2010, 06:48:04 AM
Good Morning Everyone.

We all fought together and we will all wait together.  We Monkeys are determined.

My dog woke me up too early now I can't sleep.  I can't do anything because others are sleeping and I will wake them up.  All three dogs started running around chasing each other and playing in the house  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 21, 2010, 07:18:35 AM
Good Morning Everyone.

We all fought together and we will all wait together.  We Monkeys are determined.

My dog woke me up too early now I can't sleep.  I can't do anything because others are sleeping and I will wake them up.  All three dogs started running around chasing each other and playing in the house  ::MonkeyEek::

That’s so odd San the same thing happened to me this morning and now I can’t get back to sleep!

I have 4 miniature dachshunds (Romeo, Juliette and the Blues Brothers Jake and Elwood)

They are spoiled rotten! Especially ELWOOD!

What are your furchildren?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: San on November 21, 2010, 07:26:27 AM
Good Morning Everyone.

We all fought together and we will all wait together.  We Monkeys are determined.

My dog woke me up too early now I can't sleep.  I can't do anything because others are sleeping and I will wake them up.  All three dogs started running around chasing each other and playing in the house  ::MonkeyEek::

That’s so odd San the same thing happened to me this morning and now I can’t get back to sleep!

I have 4 miniature dachshunds (Romeo, Juliette and the Blues Brothers Jake and Elwood)

They are spoiled rotten! Especially ELWOOD!

What are your furchildren?


I have one Pitbull and two Australian shepherds.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 21, 2010, 07:27:40 AM
I'm Anxious, so Anxious but I'm going to try to go back to bed for a couple of hours. I wonder if Beth ever gets any sleep?  Okay now that thought made me wake up.  I've got to go back to bed or I will be a zombie all day.  I'll check back in a couple of hours. ~ Lisa


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: GabbyG on November 21, 2010, 07:48:31 AM
Good Morning Everyone.

We all fought together and we will all wait together.  We Monkeys are determined.

My dog woke me up too early now I can't sleep.  I can't do anything because others are sleeping and I will wake them up.  All three dogs started running around chasing each other and playing in the house  ::MonkeyEek::


San boy have I been there and done that!  Don't you just love it when you are trying to whisper to your dogs...shhhhh shhhhh quiet and they use their selective hearing and continue whatever they are doing? My grandson always spends Friday nights with me, it is our "date night", plus it is mom and dad's "date night". We have done this since he was 3, and he is 11 now. Often my much loved furbaby Emmy, my lab and house companion, will hear something outside, go to "her window" to check outside, and commence barking with my grandson sleeping in the hidabed in the living room....and there I am, adding to the racket by trying to whisper at her to hush, quiet, etc. etc., and she begins twirling, gets more excited, runs to her window again to show me why she is barking, and the whole process begins again...  ::MonkeyJnBox::    ::piggy::    :smt076    ::MonkeyDevil2::   meanwhile my grandson wakes up long enough to ask me to make Emmy be quiet and go back to sleep. LOL


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on November 21, 2010, 07:49:14 AM
Sorry......... I need to modify that last post of mine. I'm not sure my opinions about the PR control disagrees with anybody elses. I need more coffee............ sorry!!! 


MAY THIS THREAD BE THE ONE THAT WITNESSES NATALEE COMING HOME!!!
Can you imagine how many cups of coffee are consumed on this forum!  Folgers and Maxwell should be paying you guys! ::MonkeyHaHa::

I'll drink to that (http://bestsmileys.com/coffee/2.gif)

 ::monkeywine2::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: sharon on November 21, 2010, 07:52:38 AM
As we wait ....I always goes back and read  ::MonkeyHaHa:: Remind myself of things I may have not thought about for awhile.

As Anna always says -- I know what I know -- and I know what I think I know   ::MonkeyAngel:: (yes Anna -- I'm LOVING this season of Burn Notice)


Sorry for the repost  ::piggy:: but.....

This is an excerpt from the conclusion in Part 6 of the 6 part series In the Face of Evil - May 30, 2005 Parts 1 -5 lead up to the conclusion -- In My Opinion

I personally can not accept any theory that does not include an explanation of the triangulation of the cell phone pings or the corroboration of the cover up that is obvious in the statements. That is WHAT WE KNOW.


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=615.msg293755#msg293755

This has simply been the best plausible sequence of events we have been able to generate, based on the suspects' words in police reports and media interviews, along with witness and investigator's statements.

Here is a brief recap of what the suspects own actions and words have led us to believe.

* 10:00 am - 4 suspects meet at Bubali police station, and meet at the van der Sloot pool thereafter

* 3:00 pm - Paulus makes a visit to the bank, and has 1 hour missing before arriving home

* 5:00 pm - Paulus takes Joran to the Racquet club wtih the gym bag containing evidence, and Joran meets with Koen to make arrangements for the boat - and they do not play tennis.

* 6:00 pm - Paulus makes his second trip to the Racquet Club to retrieve Joran and the gym bag, they then retrieve Miss Holloway's remains.

* 7:25 pm - Joran calls Deepak, triangulation of the cell phone records shows the location near the boat launch

* 8:15 - 8:30 pm - Paulus at home on the computer researching drugs, Joran at the Wyndham casino.

* 10:30 pm - The van der Sloots are aware the Twitty's are en route to Aruba on a privately chartered jet.

* 11:30 pm - Joran, Guido, and Deepak are in discussion in Deepak’s car in a casino parking lot.

* 2:00 am - Deepak, Joran and Guido leave the casino for one hour, Deepak's car is seen at 2:30 am at the van der sloot home .

As we close this series, we point out that others close to the investigation have also arrived at the exact same conclusion.

[/b]


JOSSY MANSUR:

Joran had access to several boats, Mansur said, and could have used one of them to dispose of Natalee's body.

"Whatever happened to her, happened at Joran's apartment or at the beach to the north of the Marriott hotel," Mansur said. "The disposal of her body, we strongly believe, was masterminded by the father, who coached them by the pool at his home and drilled them in what they had to say and which story they had to cling to."

www.crimelibrary.com/criminal_mind/forensics/natalee_holloway/11.html



DAVE HOLLOWAY:

I just can't understand that three kids, you know, if they were involved in foul play, could have disposed of Natalee in such a way that we couldn't find her. So that leads me to believe that possibly there's other people involved in the case.

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/17/ng.01.html


ART WOOD:

The dramatic new line of investigation revolves around the timeline of May 30, starting about 18 hours after Natalee vanished.

There are several unexplained missing hours during which authorities believe that her body was dumped at sea.

Former U.S. Secret Service agent Art Wood, who spent months on the island investigating the case, told The National Enquirer: "Joran told police that he played tennis with a friend during the evening hours. And the pal backed up his alibi.

"But when I investigated the Racquet Club I found that Joran had never played tennis there that night."

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/crime/63342


ART WOOD:

"The reason this case could still be solved is because there are so many people involved in Natalee's disappearance and in the disposal of her body. When somebody talks, they're going to all go down. This is like a house of cards."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: sharon on November 21, 2010, 07:55:40 AM
Excuse my manners :oops:

Good morning Monkeys. One day closer  ::piggy::



AVOID ARUBA AS IF YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT...IT DOES!!!


Justice for Natalee Holloway
Peace for her family and loved ones


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: GabbyG on November 21, 2010, 07:56:25 AM
Hi Monkeys! I am right here with you while we all wait together. I have always been here, just not always signed in. I pray for strength for Dave and Beth while they wait, and wonder if maybe they have already been told? But how wishful I am, hoping that Aruba would be decent enough to do that.

Love to you all, and thanks for fighting the good fight and never giving up. Sending Happy Thanksgiving wishes to everyone. I will be anxiously waiting for the news along with all of you.




So good to see you GabbyG.  We'll all wait together.


Thank you Magnolia, it's good to see you too! Yes, we Monkeys know how to wait don't we? We have the blessing of having each other for strength and companionship during these difficult times. How I wish we could share that with Dave and Beth, and help them during these times that must be so very hard and painful for them. I just can't seem to keep my mind from wandering there, thinking about what they must be going through yet again. My prayers are with them, as always.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: GabbyG on November 21, 2010, 08:04:42 AM
Thinking about Beth and Dave made me remember a poem I wrote for them a couple of years ago. With this new possibility looming before us, I thought I would share it again while we wait.


In His Time

Even while I grieve, I know You are in charge...
I know You're the Boss of this show.
I know we are taught that we must wait on You
But have I the strength? I don't know...

I have tried to be patient, though waiting is hard...
I've tried to just leave it to You.
But the way things have gone just haven't been good...
And I constantly see evil anew.

But again I will do what I know You have asked...
And trust in Your power and Your love.
I will fall to my knees to join others in prayer
And pray for strength from above.

But wait! What was that? What do I hear?
Beautiful voices, whispers, and then...
A soft sweet voice clearly says "In His Time"
Like a promise to me, Heaven sent.

Then a glimpse of her face and her smile I see.
She reminds me of all we are taught.
That we must have faith, believe, and hold true…
Believing is never for naught.

Justice is His, and the righteous will win!
This is promised to those who believe...
So although I am tired, weary and worn
I will wait on You Lord, though I grieve.

I will pray in faith for Justice to come...
To be served rightly so, in Your time.
I will pray for patience as I try to hold on,
My prayer will be… "in Your time, not mine".

by GabbyG


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: San on November 21, 2010, 08:42:40 AM
Very nice Gabby.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: jen3560 on November 21, 2010, 08:48:43 AM
Sharon - thank you for that reminder.  And great to see you, my friend!  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Blonde on November 21, 2010, 08:54:56 AM
Remember this post

Jonathan45 at scrux (I promise to quit reading around...lol...):

PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 2:45 pm Post subject:
The real update

On my desk lies a 'human' shin-bone in a box, a bone found in a pond not far from Montanja 19 by a friend during his visit to Aruba last month.
I don't know if if it's one of Natalees shin-bones, but it is a human bone.

To solve the missing of Natalee Holloway the ALE needs only a cadaver dog.

Today I will seal my lips too.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: San on November 21, 2010, 08:54:58 AM
Hi Klaas  :smt006


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 21, 2010, 09:12:36 AM
hi, no coffee yet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on November 21, 2010, 09:16:48 AM
hi, no coffee yet

Good morning Klaas  ::HelloKitty::  Hope you get some coffee soon.  (http://bestsmileys.com/coffee/3.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: San on November 21, 2010, 09:42:32 AM
hi, no coffee yet

You must be going through withdrawal

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/coffee.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on November 21, 2010, 09:48:30 AM
We already know this.....it is dated today, so here goes..

Holloway answers will come from Aruba

Last Update: 7:44 am  today

Birmingham, Al  (WIAT)  The mystery of Natalee Holloway began on Aruba more than five years ago.  It now looks like any announcement as to tests on a jawbone found on an Aruban beach will also come from the island.

The Dutch Forensic Institute has been testing the bone and the Holloway family has provided Natalee's dental records for comparison.  "I'm happy that it's human. And the initial finding is that it's from a young woman, so maybe we will be able to solve this case. I hope so. But we will wait to see what the findings are," Aruban prosecutor Peter Blanken told CNN.

The prosecutor said a forensic expert in Aruba made the initial determination. He cautioned that a final determination would be made by the Netherlands Forensic Institute in the Hague, but he did say the agency is "testing for a DNA match."

Blanken is back in Aruba.  The Forensic Institute said earlier this week that the announcement of the findings would be left to Aruban authorities.

The bone, which the Dutch-language paper de Telegraff reported was the lower half of the jaw with one molar still intact, was found by tourists last week on a beach in Aruba.

Mountain Brook teen Natalee Holloway disappeared on a graduation trip to Aruba in 2005. She was last seen leaving a club with Joran van der Sloot.  Although the young Dutchman was questioned several times by Aruban authorities he was never charged.  He is still considered the prime suspect in Natalee's disappearance.

The beach where the jawbone was found is near the location where van der Sloot has told various stories about Natalee's fate....stories he later retracted or denied.

Van der Sloot is currently in prison in Peru charged with the murder of Stephany Flores.  The body of the 21 year old student was found in van der Sloot's Lima hotel room.  Van der Sloot confessed to killing Flores after she found material relating to Natalee on his laptop.  In one of many macabre aspects of the case, Flores' body was found five years to the day of Natalee's disappearance.

Van der Sloot is appealing to get his murder confession thrown out of court claiming coercion and police misconduct.

He's also been indicted by a federal grand jury here in Birmingham charged with wire fraud and extortion.  Prosecutors claim in shook down the Holloway family for information on Natalee's fate but never delivered any information after taking their money.
http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Holloway-answers-will-come-from-Aruba/PKHuMukCyUiNW2n-TP1xHQ.cspx


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 21, 2010, 10:34:04 AM
Thinking about Beth and Dave made me remember a poem I wrote for them a couple of years ago. With this new possibility looming before us, I thought I would share it again while we wait.


In His Time

Even while I grieve, I know You are in charge...
I know You're the Boss of this show.
I know we are taught that we must wait on You
But have I the strength? I don't know...

I have tried to be patient, though waiting is hard...
I've tried to just leave it to You.
But the way things have gone just haven't been good...
And I constantly see evil anew.

But again I will do what I know You have asked...
And trust in Your power and Your love.
I will fall to my knees to join others in prayer
And pray for strength from above.

But wait! What was that? What do I hear?
Beautiful voices, whispers, and then...
A soft sweet voice clearly says "In His Time"
Like a promise to me, Heaven sent.

Then a glimpse of her face and her smile I see.
She reminds me of all we are taught.
That we must have faith, believe, and hold true…
Believing is never for naught.

Justice is His, and the righteous will win!
This is promised to those who believe...
So although I am tired, weary and worn
I will wait on You Lord, though I grieve.

I will pray in faith for Justice to come...
To be served rightly so, in Your time.
I will pray for patience as I try to hold on,
My prayer will be… "in Your time, not mine".

by GabbyG

Thank you GabbyG.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Buckeye on November 21, 2010, 10:35:52 AM
Somebody go and listen to this interview at RU.  It is suppose to be Daniel and Kelly the
psycho psychics, but it sounds exactly like Steph Watts to me.


Edited to remove link = San


Magnolia

They have similar "tones" but I think it's the psycho.  I am not sure why it's labeled an interview since "Lewis?" (on his birth certificate?) Daniel Young is just overtalking and not giving the person a chance to answer or think. I'm sure he will go on to say that "Lilly said" or I have "Lilly verify....".

Direct link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_EJAB7xDeg&feature=player_embedded


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 21, 2010, 10:59:55 AM
Remember this post

Jonathan45 at scrux (I promise to quit reading around...lol...):

PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 2:45 pm Post subject:
The real update

On my desk lies a 'human' shin-bone in a box, a bone found in a pond not far from Montanja 19 by a friend during his visit to Aruba last month.
I don't know if if it's one of Natalees shin-bones, but it is a human bone.

To solve the missing of Natalee Holloway the ALE needs only a cadaver dog.

Today I will seal my lips too.


I remembered something, but maybe not this post.  I found a post here...there obviously was a question being answered, which I have not yet looked for.

@wreck

The 'shinbone' that was found near a pond, south of the VDSresidence, was aging-tested at the university. It was human bone but over 50years old. There were also [dog] bitemarks on it.

What would happen if Joran did a polygraph test ?

I can be a liar as well, because every child is confronted with this natural phenomenon from day one. We all had to copy the behaviour from those who surrounded us during many years. I call it social genetics behind the frontdoor.
A web of natural double binds who easily can turn into pathological ones.

The VDSfamily shows how those double binds make this case unsolved.







Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 21, 2010, 11:06:34 AM
Remember this post

Jonathan45 at scrux (I promise to quit reading around...lol...):

PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 2:45 pm Post subject:
The real update

On my desk lies a 'human' shin-bone in a box, a bone found in a pond not far from Montanja 19 by a friend during his visit to Aruba last month.
I don't know if if it's one of Natalees shin-bones, but it is a human bone.

To solve the missing of Natalee Holloway the ALE needs only a cadaver dog.

Today I will seal my lips too.


I remembered something, but maybe not this post.  I found a post here...there obviously was a question being answered, which I have not yet looked for.

@wreck

The 'shinbone' that was found near a pond, south of the VDSresidence, was aging-tested at the university. It was human bone but over 50years old. There were also [dog] bitemarks on it.

What would happen if Joran did a polygraph test ?

I can be a liar as well, because every child is confronted with this natural phenomenon from day one. We all had to copy the behaviour from those who surrounded us during many years. I call it social genetics behind the frontdoor.
A web of natural double binds who easily can turn into pathological ones.

The VDSfamily shows how those double binds make this case unsolved.






Blonde, Here is wreck's question....

For me this 'new' witness isn't a 'reliable' one until we find out the exact date, when he came forward in 2007. His 'motive' to become a witness in this case  after two years is crap.
I placed him in the greyzone cause of Paulus role.

Some important questions ?

 Could Paulus if he was in the HI Excelsior casino that Sundayevening, also later on have been in the Wyndhamhotel casino the night Natalee vanished after he brought Joran back home to babysit ?
On Tuesdayafternoon Paulus was in the lobby of the HI. Beth saw him there.
Was he only checking Joran's lying alibi [ dead video] or also his own [footage] alibi ?
Could there be another until now 'anonymous' casino player in the Excelsior or the Wyndham or the Radisson casino, who is also working for the Justice department on Aruba ?
Dirty Hand perhaps ? Or Ben Vocking, Paulus friend, who had also a steering role on crucial moments [[ search VDSresidence]  ? Or judge de Wit ? Or .... ?


Welcome Jonathon! I respect your opinions -- many of them re-posted here at SM. I agree 100% that any and all "witnesses" in this case must be vetted -- but in this case it sounds like he has been thorougly checked-out. He has passed SEVERAL polygraphs here in the U.S. . I guess I don't follow you -- it sounds to me his story coincides with Paulus (and his friends) being directly involved. On another note, could you elaborate on the "shin bone" you claimed you had in your possession?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 21, 2010, 11:20:48 AM
GabbyG that is a Beautiful Poem, very heartfelt. I'm going to print it and plastic coat it and put on my mirror so I see it everyday to remind me that I am not in the driver seat and to be patient.  It takes talent to write something like that.  Thanks for sharing!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: GabbyG on November 21, 2010, 11:37:10 AM
Thinking about Beth and Dave made me remember a poem I wrote for them a couple of years ago. With this new possibility looming before us, I thought I would share it again while we wait.


In His Time

Even while I grieve, I know You are in charge...
I know You're the Boss of this show.
I know we are taught that we must wait on You
But have I the strength? I don't know...

I have tried to be patient, though waiting is hard...
I've tried to just leave it to You.
But the way things have gone just haven't been good...
And I constantly see evil anew.

But again I will do what I know You have asked...
And trust in Your power and Your love.
I will fall to my knees to join others in prayer
And pray for strength from above.

But wait! What was that? What do I hear?
Beautiful voices, whispers, and then...
A soft sweet voice clearly says "In His Time"
Like a promise to me, Heaven sent.

Then a glimpse of her face and her smile I see.
She reminds me of all we are taught.
That we must have faith, believe, and hold true…
Believing is never for naught.

Justice is His, and the righteous will win!
This is promised to those who believe...
So although I am tired, weary and worn
I will wait on You Lord, though I grieve.

I will pray in faith for Justice to come...
To be served rightly so, in Your time.
I will pray for patience as I try to hold on,
My prayer will be… "in Your time, not mine".

by GabbyG

Thank you GabbyG.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet




You're very welcome Janet. It is definitely my pleasure to share it.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: GabbyG on November 21, 2010, 11:41:13 AM
GabbyG that is a Beautiful Poem, very heartfelt. I'm going to print it and plastic coat it and put on my mirror so I see it everyday to remind me that I am not in the driver seat and to be patient.  It takes talent to write something like that.  Thanks for sharing!


Thank you Lisa, for your kind words. I wrote that during one of our down moments/times regarding Natalee, when another hopeful something had gone wrong, and just couldn't stop thinking about how much Dave and Beth must have been hurting. I'm very proud you want to use it, and hope you enjoy it. It's my pleasure to share it.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Buckeye on November 21, 2010, 11:49:06 AM
O/T

Glenda is parsing words again.  There is a well known anthropologist residing in Aruba. He probably made the initial identification.

Luc Alofs, anthropologist, curator of the Historical Museum Aruba

http://www.petergreenberg.com/2009/08/22/ask-the-locals-island-guide-aruba/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: jjayinthemorning on November 21, 2010, 11:56:54 AM
* 10:00 am - 4 suspects meet at Bubali police station, and meet at the van der Sloot pool thereafter

* 3:00 pm - Paulus makes a visit to the bank, and has 1 hour missing before arriving home

* 5:00 pm - Paulus takes Joran to the Racquet club wtih the gym bag containing evidence, and Joran meets with Koen to make arrangements for the boat - and they do not play tennis.

* 6:00 pm - Paulus makes his second trip to the Racquet Club to retrieve Joran and the gym bag, they then retrieve Miss Holloway's remains.

* 7:25 pm - Joran calls Deepak, triangulation of the cell phone records shows the location near the boat launch

* 8:15 - 8:30 pm - Paulus at home on the computer researching drugs, Joran at the Wyndham casino.

* 10:30 pm - The van der Sloots are aware the Twitty's are en route to Aruba on a privately chartered jet.

* 11:30 pm - Joran, Guido, and Deepak are in discussion in Deepak’s car in a casino parking lot.

* 2:00 am - Deepak, Joran and Guido leave the casino for one hour, Deepak's car is seen at 2:30 am at the van der sloot home .

As we close this series, we point out that others close to the investigation have also arrived at the exact same conclusion.[/i]



JOSSY MANSUR:

Joran had access to several boats, Mansur said, and could have used one of them to dispose of Natalee's body.

"Whatever happened to her, happened at Joran's apartment or at the beach to the north of the Marriott hotel," Mansur said. "The disposal of her body, we strongly believe, was masterminded by the father, who coached them by the pool at his home and drilled them in what they had to say and which story they had to cling to."
This is exactly what I have been looking for.
18 hours after Natalee was reported missing and the black guys at her hotel were accused and a distraction, the van der Sloots were hiding the body in the bay where her jawbone washed up after hurricane Tomas.
Exactly. But who was the boat that helped them?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 21, 2010, 12:08:04 PM
O/T

Glenda is parsing words again.  There is a well known anthropologist residing in Aruba. He probably made the initial identification.

Luc Alofs, anthropologist, curator of the Historical Museum Aruba

http://www.petergreenberg.com/2009/08/22/ask-the-locals-island-guide-aruba/

http://www.rnw.nl/caribiana/article/arubaanse-verkiezingen-platteland-versus-de-stad?quicktabs_1=1

(http://cdn.radionetherlands.nl/data/files/imagecache/must_carry/images/lead/luc%20en%20lydia%20002.JPG)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 21, 2010, 12:08:23 PM

Thank you GabbyG.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet




You're very welcome Janet. It is definitely my pleasure to share it.

Gabby

Your words were meant as encouragement for Beth and Dave but ... in regards to some personal issues in my own life ... I was also comforted by the reminder that in all our circumstances our Awesome God in in control.

 :smt060

Janet

+++++++

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 232:
  Without hope we are hungry. And on a very deep level, desperate. But no one has to be. What's so amazing is that we can feed each other. We can help each other. We have the power to give resilience to others who are fading. We can nourish each other's spirits and save one another from defeat and despair. Every one of us possesses this power to "love thy neighbor," and we need to use it every chance we get.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 21, 2010, 12:20:20 PM
O/T

Glenda is parsing words again.  There is a well known anthropologist residing in Aruba. He probably made the initial identification.

Luc Alofs, anthropologist, curator of the Historical Museum Aruba

http://www.petergreenberg.com/2009/08/22/ask-the-locals-island-guide-aruba/

According to Nancy Grace's guest anthropologist ... sex, age and race can often be determined with only an observation of a jawbone.

The big question!  Is there a connection to Natalee Holloway?  I will be off the forum for most the day.  However ... I will be anticipating an answer to the big question when I return.

Have a good Sunday all!

Janet

+++++++


NANCY GRACE
Natalee`s Mother Confronts Joran in Prison
Aired November 17, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET


NANCY GRACE, HOST: With us right now, Heather Walsh-Haney, forensic anthropologist, Florida Gulf Coast University. She`s joining us from Ft. Myers via Skype. Heather, explain to me again how is it that you can determine that this is not only human but it is a white female young adult?

HEATHER WALSH-HANEY, FORENSIC ANTHROPOLOGIST: Nancy, the way that we do that, first to determine that it`s female, is we`re going to look at the chin area. And as you can see on this example of a lower jawbone that I`m holding here, in females, right on the midline -- which would be here in my own face -- we tend to have a pointier chin. In males, the chin itself tends to be very broad, where you have two little bumps on either side of that midline.

The other thing that these forensic experts are doing is they`re evaluating the age of the jawbone by looking at something like this, the dental development. Here what we can see is that all teeth form first by the crown, then by the roots. We know how to age somebody by the development of those teeth relative to one another.

We can also tell the ancestry or race (INAUDIBLE) or bumps (INAUDIBLE) on those teeth. So it sounds to me, with the ability of these forensic experts to come out and say that they have a female, that it`s a young adult, and that this person is most likely white or of European ancestry, that they have a jaw that they either have the lower jaw or upper jaw and that it is relatively intact.

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1011/17/ng.01.html


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Post by: texasmom on November 21, 2010, 12:23:01 PM
OT

http://twitter.com/dolphvanstapele

Dolphvanstapele
News from Santa Monica. We were very succesfull. Saturday you'll read all about it.Our film about Tula has been raised to a higher level ;-)
5:22 PM Nov 4th via web

http://www.versgeperst.com/lifestyle/71538/tula-scoort-internationaal-contract.html

Tula scores international contract

11/07/2010 1:43 p.m. | LIFESTYLE | Elisa Cake

CURAÇAO - Tula's story has stolen the hearts of American movie cop International Film Distribution Consultants. After films such as Law Abiding Citizen and Book of Eli, the company will now work with the film on freedom fighter Curacao.

The producers of Dolph Stapele and Jeroen Leinders Fisheye Media Productions in Los Angeles last week were making calls on the international representation of the film. Finally they dragged an agreement with IFDC on hold.

Flexible production
Through this contract, they await the distribution of the film soon to be true. Also opens the doors to this agent contract with U.S. film studios which will work smoother.

Local and international actors
The main roles in Tula's film also stars well-known American actors so the film a broad and international audience attracting. Local actors are also not forgotten and will work with the international stars shine on the silver screen. If everything goes according to plan, the 2011 movie into production.


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Post by: texasmom on November 21, 2010, 12:31:48 PM
Sorry, I don't know how to bring the video over! 

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/24490-atencion-special-pa-aruba-atrobe.html

Papiamentu translation:

atencion special for aruba again

saturday, 20 november 2010 20:02

popup video

canalnan of television mericano is dunando atencion special for her caso of the "kaak" cu one tourist owing to descubri week happen in lama among westin y phoenix resort. is specula cu the "kaak" can is of natalee holloway, cu owing to lose at aruba by year 2005. by yesterday the canal noticioso cnn owing to arrive aruba y is transmitiendo bibo for of we island. at more cu one ocasion owing to bay "live" stop fast edificio of ministerio publico. the message is cu the investigacion is casi cla y cu in the next dianan the netherlands will divulga cu if the "kaak" is of one being human y if the will can is of the student mericano. separa of cnn, mayan diadomingo one equipment of nbc also is at aruba y fox news also is haciendo preparacion for come give cobertura for of aruba. others also is pendiente for see cu if have one desaroyo interesting for they also cuminsa come direction for aruba. financieramente also presencia of the ekiponan of produccion here have one efecto positive. directie telecommunicatie zaken (dtz) is cobra for derechonan of transmicion for of we island. in some caso the ekiponan is huur companianan of produccion local for help they or is huur taxistanan for core rond cu they all day. the berdad is cu still not have none novedad in the caso of the "kaak" cu the turistanan owing to encontra in lama week happen. ministerio publico is think cu in week the result will stay cla y they will divulga cu if the "kaak" is of one being human y in the caso ey for verifica cu if the is of the student mericano. till still all cos is stay speculacion, because the opcionnan can is various. have more person perdi at aruba. mature is cu the bad time of ultimo simannan owing to cause cu wind owing to become y lama owing to become bruto. in the caso here lama owing to saca all locual the had scondi in fondo. separa of grass, past owing to saca one "kaak" also. is think cu for tuesday will can come more claridad in the asunto here.
::MonkeyNoNo::


http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/24490-atencion-special-pa-aruba-atrobe.html

Comments:

Scirbi pa Aru-camba, November 21, 2010   

DTZ moet per minuut zo'n 20.000 dollar opstrijken bij een uitzending vanuit Aruba, dan gaat de kassa eindelijk rinkelen en zullen ze zich 2X bedenken om iets uit te zenden. Mits ze gaan proberen via andere wegen toch wat te regelen om aan hun nieuws te komen, hen inclusief degene die de grap maakt om zelf een filmpje te maken en deze door te verkopen aan een Amerikaanse nieuwszender, deze flink beboeten. Ik hoop dat ieder die met de Amerikanen in zee gaat hen uitbuit en ons eiland gaat beschermen tegen de grote monster Amerika. Samen moeten we sterk staan voor ons eiland tegen mediaschurken zoals Beth Twitty, Peter de V(r)ies en hun diabolische teams. Het lijk voor hen alsof Nathaly Runaway de enige is die vermist wordt op het eiland.

Google translation:

Scirbi pa Aru Camba, November 21, 2010

DTZ to about $ 20,000 per minute for a pocket broadcast from Aruba, then the cash register ringing and finally they will think of something 2X broadcast. Provided they are going to try a bit by other means to arrange for their news for them including the person who makes a joke to make himself a movie and sell it to an American news channel, which quite fine. I hope that anyone with the Americans at sea is exploiting them and our island will protect America against the big monster. Together we must stand strong for our island to media villains like Beth Twitty, Peter V (r) ies and their diabolical teams. The body for them as if Runaway Nathaly the only one missing on the island.


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Post by: crazybabyborg on November 21, 2010, 12:35:42 PM
O/T

Glenda is parsing words again.  There is a well known anthropologist residing in Aruba. He probably made the initial identification.

Luc Alofs, anthropologist, curator of the Historical Museum Aruba

http://www.petergreenberg.com/2009/08/22/ask-the-locals-island-guide-aruba/

http://www.rnw.nl/caribiana/article/arubaanse-verkiezingen-platteland-versus-de-stad?quicktabs_1=1

(http://cdn.radionetherlands.nl/data/files/imagecache/must_carry/images/lead/luc%20en%20lydia%20002.JPG)



 ::MonkeyEek::

Oh My!! You'd think if he were an anthropologist, he could pick up a couple of better fitting teeth............. just sayin'.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 21, 2010, 12:37:19 PM
Great to see you GabbyG!!  ::MonkeyDance:: Yes, we wait together. I'm so pleased to be among all of you Monkeys!  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: can on November 21, 2010, 12:49:24 PM
Sorry, I don't know how to bring the video over! 

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/24490-atencion-special-pa-aruba-atrobe.html

Papiamentu translation:

atencion special for aruba again

saturday, 20 november 2010 20:02

popup video

canalnan of television mericano is dunando atencion special for her caso of the "kaak" cu one tourist owing to descubri week happen in lama among westin y phoenix resort. is specula cu the "kaak" can is of natalee holloway, cu owing to lose at aruba by year 2005. by yesterday the canal noticioso cnn owing to arrive aruba y is transmitiendo bibo for of we island. at more cu one ocasion owing to bay "live" stop fast edificio of ministerio publico. the message is cu the investigacion is casi cla y cu in the next dianan the netherlands will divulga cu if the "kaak" is of one being human y if the will can is of the student mericano. separa of cnn, mayan diadomingo one equipment of nbc also is at aruba y fox news also is haciendo preparacion for come give cobertura for of aruba. others also is pendiente for see cu if have one desaroyo interesting for they also cuminsa come direction for aruba. financieramente also presencia of the ekiponan of produccion here have one efecto positive. directie telecommunicatie zaken (dtz) is cobra for derechonan of transmicion for of we island. in some caso the ekiponan is huur companianan of produccion local for help they or is huur taxistanan for core rond cu they all day. the berdad is cu still not have none novedad in the caso of the "kaak" cu the turistanan owing to encontra in lama week happen. ministerio publico is think cu in week the result will stay cla y they will divulga cu if the "kaak" is of one being human y in the caso ey for verifica cu if the is of the student mericano. till still all cos is stay speculacion, because the opcionnan can is various. have more person perdi at aruba. mature is cu the bad time of ultimo simannan owing to cause cu wind owing to become y lama owing to become bruto. in the caso here lama owing to saca all locual the had scondi in fondo. separa of grass, past owing to saca one "kaak" also. is think cu for tuesday will can come more claridad in the asunto here.
::MonkeyNoNo::


http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/24490-atencion-special-pa-aruba-atrobe.html

Comments:

Scirbi pa Aru-camba, November 21, 2010   

DTZ moet per minuut zo'n 20.000 dollar opstrijken bij een uitzending vanuit Aruba, dan gaat de kassa eindelijk rinkelen en zullen ze zich 2X bedenken om iets uit te zenden. Mits ze gaan proberen via andere wegen toch wat te regelen om aan hun nieuws te komen, hen inclusief degene die de grap maakt om zelf een filmpje te maken en deze door te verkopen aan een Amerikaanse nieuwszender, deze flink beboeten. Ik hoop dat ieder die met de Amerikanen in zee gaat hen uitbuit en ons eiland gaat beschermen tegen de grote monster Amerika. Samen moeten we sterk staan voor ons eiland tegen mediaschurken zoals Beth Twitty, Peter de V(r)ies en hun diabolische teams. Het lijk voor hen alsof Nathaly Runaway de enige is die vermist wordt op het eiland.

Google translation:

Scirbi pa Aru Camba, November 21, 2010

DTZ to about $ 20,000 per minute for a pocket broadcast from Aruba, then the cash register ringing and finally they will think of something 2X broadcast. Provided they are going to try a bit by other means to arrange for their news for them including the person who makes a joke to make himself a movie and sell it to an American news channel, which quite fine. I hope that anyone with the Americans at sea is exploiting them and our island will protect America against the big monster. Together we must stand strong for our island to media villains like Beth Twitty, Peter V (r) ies and their diabolical teams. The body for them as if Runaway Nathaly the only one missing on the island.


Go to h*ll!   ::MonkeyMad::

and yes, we know there are others missing on the "one happy island!"


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Post by: Curly on November 21, 2010, 12:49:48 PM
::MonkeyTears:: OMG Lisa......... you got me on the poem.......... groping for kleenex........


I'm nervous about the lack of an announcement about the bone. How on Earth do Beth and Dave go through this? It's beyond cruel to delay an identification and at this point, I'm convinced that's exactly what is happening.

I HATE THEM ALL!!

I agree, CBB, It's beyond cruel.
It has to be Natalee this time. They're just delaying it to show that they will not be pressured or forced.

Snoopy..my condolences on your loss. That's the downside of pet ownership that their years are shorter than ours.


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Post by: can on November 21, 2010, 12:51:58 PM
oops, sorry my 'BOLD' didn't work= last two sentences in last Eng. version.


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Post by: Lisa in MD on November 21, 2010, 12:55:16 PM
READING BETWEEN THE LIES - (LINES)

From Amigoe .com    

‘Jawbone belongs to a young female’
19 Nov, 2010, 13:25 (GMT -04:00)

ORANJESTAD — The partial jawbone found by American tourists on the beach near the Phoenix Hotel last week Friday, belongs to a young female. At any rate, that’s what American media are saying,(Redirect, Redirect) who base this on comments from field officer Peter Blanken. He is currently in the Netherlands and was (Naturally) not available for comment this morning.

Meanwhile, the Public Prosecutor (OM) here does not wish to comment on the case and says one will wait for the result (Lie being concocted) from the Dutch Forensic Institute (NFI). (Liar that is a comment) Whether Blanken had indeed told the American media that it regarded a jawbone of a young female, solicitor general Taco Stein could not ‘confirm or deny’ this morning. “As I have not spoken to him yet, I do not know (Which lie we are going with) what he did or did not say. (Back Peddle, Back Peddle) Our viewpoint remains that we wait for the result from NFI, (So they can cover it up “Officially”) ” Stein said before the Amigoe.

It is unknown yet when the research from the Forensic Institute will be completed. However, the solicitor general does know that no result will be available today anyhow. (Because we need more time to concoct the lie and get everyone on the same page) “We will probably know more next week. (After we rehearse it) ” Stein says that based on the result, the OM will ‘consider’ what will be made known to the media and that any relatives will be informed (of their lies) first. “You can imagine the Holloway-family is having a hard time now. (although, we here in Aruba really don’t care about that) ” Stein did not wish to anticipate of which consequences a positive identification could have for the investigation into the case surrounding Natalee Holloway. (Because it is too hard for an Aruban to face Reality) Nevertheless, he says one has meanwhile searched the location where the jawbone had washed ashore. (ONE being the optimum word – Probably DOMPIG) This investigation had not yielded anything, (Because he’s too stupid to know how to search) according to Stein.
For that matter, it is still not certain whether one could remove sufficient DNA from the jawbone for positive identification. (So let’s not hold the Hague accountable) “We will have to wait what the experts say, but the bone had been in the seawater for a long time. (Mistakes Happpen)(Cover up) ” The DNA material from the jawbone will be compared with the DNA profiles from Natalee’s parents. Dental data from Natalee is supposedly sent from the United States to the Netherlands for comparison as well. The American teenager disappeared without a trace in 2005 after spending an evening out at Carlos and Charlies. Joran van der Sloot (The Face Of Aruba) was the last person she was seen with. Joran is meanwhile on remand in the Castro Castro prison in Peru. (So we can’t do anything anyway) He is suspected of murdering the Peruvian student Stephany Flores last May. (He is fine. Living like a King)

Edit to change red color to blue color per Forum Rule:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8844.msg1251553#msg125155
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Post by: Red on November 21, 2010, 12:57:39 PM
Beth Holloway on Natalee Holloway Missing in Aruba: “There is no good answer, whether it is Natalee or whether it isn’t. But no answer at all is the most unbearable”

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/11/21/beth-holloway-on-natalee-holloway-missing-in-aruba-there-is-no-good-answer-whether-it-is-natalee-or-whether-it-isnt-but-no-answer-at-all-is-the-most-unbearable/

Quote
A mothers endless and tiresless search for answers …

Beth Holloway has been waiting for answers as to the disappearance of her daughter Natalee Holloway since she went missing in Aruba in 2005. No one has been more persistent, more engaged, more undaunted and more eager to hold Aruba, Holland and Joran Van der Sloot’s feet to the fire in her effort to get answers and “JUSTICE” for Natalee Holloway.

...

However, in the end we know that Beth Holloway will never give up the good fight and neither will many of those who have supported the girl, Natalee Holloway, and the family in their never ending fight for JUSTICE FOR NATALEE.


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Post by: texasmom on November 21, 2010, 01:00:48 PM
http://www.24ora.com/gallery.html?func=detail&id=19964
True house music @ Confession 13nov'10
(http://www.24ora.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=202&id=19964&Itemid=63)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8719.msg1260897#msg1260897
Aitana Cardoso (far right in the picture) just turned 17.  She's a student (senior iirc) at the International School of Aruba.

http://komamodels.com/models/ko-girls/aitana-cardoso.html

http://www.aruba-travelguide.com/faq/index.html

What is the legal drinking/gambling age?
The legal age for both drinking and gambling is 18 years. It is not, however, widely enforced. You will not usually be "carded".


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 21, 2010, 01:02:15 PM
Beth Holloway on Natalee Holloway Missing in Aruba: “There is no good answer, whether it is Natalee or whether it isn’t. But no answer at all is the most unbearable”

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/11/21/beth-holloway-on-natalee-holloway-missing-in-aruba-there-is-no-good-answer-whether-it-is-natalee-or-whether-it-isnt-but-no-answer-at-all-is-the-most-unbearable/

Quote
A mothers endless and tiresless search for answers …

Beth Holloway has been waiting for answers as to the disappearance of her daughter Natalee Holloway since she went missing in Aruba in 2005. No one has been more persistent, more engaged, more undaunted and more eager to hold Aruba, Holland and Joran Van der Sloot’s feet to the fire in her effort to get answers and “JUSTICE” for Natalee Holloway.

...

However, in the end we know that Beth Holloway will never give up the good fight and neither will many of those who have supported the girl, Natalee Holloway, and the family in their never ending fight for JUSTICE FOR NATALEE.

Thanks Red!   ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyCool::


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Post by: Dihannah1 on November 21, 2010, 01:14:33 PM
Good Morning Everyone.

We all fought together and we will all wait together.  We Monkeys are determined.

My dog woke me up too early now I can't sleep.  I can't do anything because others are sleeping and I will wake them up.  All three dogs started running around chasing each other and playing in the house  ::MonkeyEek::

That’s so odd San the same thing happened to me this morning and now I can’t get back to sleep!

I have 4 miniature dachshunds (Romeo, Juliette and the Blues Brothers Jake and Elwood)

They are spoiled rotten! Especially ELWOOD!

What are your furchildren?


Wow, that makes three of us!  I was up at 6, which is unheard of for me, even on a work day!  LOL  I too have 4 dachsunds!    I pray all these coincidences mean something!  Lord please let it be Nat and just ONCE let LE do the right thing!


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Post by: Dihannah1 on November 21, 2010, 01:16:47 PM
Too add to the coincidence.  One of mine is named Jake too!  :)


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Post by: Lisa in MD on November 21, 2010, 01:29:19 PM
Too add to the coincidence.  One of mine is named Jake too!  :)

We had only planned the first 2 the Blues Brothers were a Christmas morning surprize! Couldn't part with them if I tried. They are so funny! I ususally say I have a 40 lb. dog with 16 legs! Having a herd is great fun! ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Dihannah1 on November 21, 2010, 01:29:53 PM
We already know this.....it is dated today, so here goes..

Holloway answers will come from Aruba

Last Update: 7:44 am  today

Birmingham, Al  (WIAT)  The mystery of Natalee Holloway began on Aruba more than five years ago.  It now looks like any announcement as to tests on a jawbone found on an Aruban beach will also come from the island.

The Dutch Forensic Institute has been testing the bone and the Holloway family has provided Natalee's dental records for comparison.  "I'm happy that it's human. And the initial finding is that it's from a young woman, so maybe we will be able to solve this case. I hope so. But we will wait to see what the findings are," Aruban prosecutor Peter Blanken told CNN.

The prosecutor said a forensic expert in Aruba made the initial determination. He cautioned that a final determination would be made by the Netherlands Forensic Institute in the Hague, but he did say the agency is "testing for a DNA match."

Blanken is back in Aruba.  The Forensic Institute said earlier this week that the announcement of the findings would be left to Aruban authorities.

The bone, which the Dutch-language paper de Telegraff reported was the lower half of the jaw with one molar still intact, was found by tourists last week on a beach in Aruba.

Mountain Brook teen Natalee Holloway disappeared on a graduation trip to Aruba in 2005. She was last seen leaving a club with Joran van der Sloot.  Although the young Dutchman was questioned several times by Aruban authorities he was never charged.  He is still considered the prime suspect in Natalee's disappearance.

The beach where the jawbone was found is near the location where van der Sloot has told various stories about Natalee's fate....stories he later retracted or denied.

Van der Sloot is currently in prison in Peru charged with the murder of Stephany Flores.  The body of the 21 year old student was found in van der Sloot's Lima hotel room.  Van der Sloot confessed to killing Flores after she found material relating to Natalee on his laptop.  In one of many macabre aspects of the case, Flores' body was found five years to the day of Natalee's disappearance.

Van der Sloot is appealing to get his murder confession thrown out of court claiming coercion and police misconduct.

He's also been indicted by a federal grand jury here in Birmingham charged with wire fraud and extortion.  Prosecutors claim in shook down the Holloway family for information on Natalee's fate but never delivered any information after taking their money.
http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Holloway-answers-will-come-from-Aruba/PKHuMukCyUiNW2n-TP1xHQ.cspx

BBM

Bizarre statement.  Glad it's human?  Who's happy about finding a human bone??? The only way I'd be be happy about that is IF it WAS Nat's so she can be brought home to rest!  But it IS Aruba    :roll:


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Dihannah1 on November 21, 2010, 01:51:02 PM
Too add to the coincidence.  One of mine is named Jake too!  :)

We had only planned the first 2 the Blues Brothers were a Christmas morning surprize! Couldn't part with them if I tried. They are so funny! I ususally say I have a 40 lb. dog with 16 legs! Having a herd is great fun! ::MonkeyDance::

We're going to get in time out for being O/T, but while waiting for news, it's tough.  One of mine was a rescue name Peanut, one was a baby of 2 of them, his name is BooBoo (he he),  Daisy, my female and the spoiled one and Jake was for my daughter.  And yes they are fun and cuddly, with each of there own personalitIies! 

I've been here from the beginning and feel like I know everybody personally and Thank God, if nothing else good comes out of this damn case, SM has been a blessing to me and so many missing people.  Joran could only dream of having so many and such great friends and all thanks to dips&t himself!  I really hope he rots in that cell in Peru!

I know it seems silly, but and maybe after all this time, I'm finally losing it, but I really do find it odd these little coincidences and truly hope they MEAN something for the case.  PRAYING for Beth and Dave!   ARUBA MAY GOD HELP YOU, DO THE RIGHT THING JUST FOR ONCE! PLEASE!!!!!



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Post by: GabbyG on November 21, 2010, 02:05:57 PM
Hey CBB, Hiiii! It's great to see you! Yes, here we all are again, one more time. If not this time then perhaps the next, or the next, but sooner or later it's gonna be THE time, and we will get to see Natalee come home. I totally believe that.


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Post by: Lisa in MD on November 21, 2010, 02:14:04 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo:: Man this wait is hard hard hard.  Beth is right it it is the Not Knowing that kills you.  I'm so worried because this is following the same pattern of every road we've been down before.  I've been wrong before and please let it be now!

It is so hard to hang in there!  ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyJustice::

I am Praying! I'm going back to Gabby's Poem!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 21, 2010, 02:14:56 PM
Hey CBB, Hiiii! It's great to see you! Yes, here we all are again, one more time. If not this time then perhaps the next, or the next, but sooner or later it's gonna be THE time, and we will get to see Natalee come home. I totally believe that.

I believe that too, Gabby!! Many of us have a "feeling" about this time. I just can't figure out if the feeling is because it is Natalee's jaw, or because they will finally admit it's Natalee's remains.

I think they've got her remains anyway and can give her back anytime they choose, JMO.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Dihannah1 on November 21, 2010, 02:17:22 PM
Hey CBB, Hiiii! It's great to see you! Yes, here we all are again, one more time. If not this time then perhaps the next, or the next, but sooner or later it's gonna be THE time, and we will get to see Natalee come home. I totally believe that.

Amen to that!  And even if we don't see it in our lifetime.  God will take care of him/them and we know she's already being taken care of, sitting by the throne, as she sit's with all the other lil children who have met such horrible fate's.  That, I DO take comfort in!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Dihannah1 on November 21, 2010, 02:18:22 PM
Hi CBB! Left you a note in your avi thread ;)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 21, 2010, 02:28:29 PM
Beth Holloway on Natalee Holloway Missing in Aruba: “There is no good answer, whether it is Natalee or whether it isn’t. But no answer at all is the most unbearable”

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/11/21/beth-holloway-on-natalee-holloway-missing-in-aruba-there-is-no-good-answer-whether-it-is-natalee-or-whether-it-isnt-but-no-answer-at-all-is-the-most-unbearable/

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A mothers endless and tiresless search for answers …

Beth Holloway has been waiting for answers as to the disappearance of her daughter Natalee Holloway since she went missing in Aruba in 2005. No one has been more persistent, more engaged, more undaunted and more eager to hold Aruba, Holland and Joran Van der Sloot’s feet to the fire in her effort to get answers and “JUSTICE” for Natalee Holloway.

...

However, in the end we know that Beth Holloway will never give up the good fight and neither will many of those who have supported the girl, Natalee Holloway, and the family in their never ending fight for JUSTICE FOR NATALEE.

EXCELLENT POST!!

Beth is a lady that has grown in stature throughout this ordeal. They thought they could sweep her under the rug, but she has taught them through actions that they are contending with something they can't understand or predict. They are dealing with a Mother who has lost her child. Her focus has never drifted and her eyes remain set on the goal: to find Natalee and bring her home. When she says she will be on that mission until her death, they finally believe that's probable. They finally can comprehend that the slow death of their island may be on a faster track than Beth is.

I think they "threw her a bone" in their own interest, much like someone would do if confronted by an attacking dog. I wonder if they realize that the dog goes for the bone, but comes back looking not only to persue again, but to get more of the reward it was offerred before.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 21, 2010, 02:30:00 PM
Hi CBB! Left you a note in your avi thread ;)

Hey Tink!!  ::MonkeyDance:: I'll go check!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: sharon on November 21, 2010, 03:06:18 PM
* 10:00 am - 4 suspects meet at Bubali police station, and meet at the van der Sloot pool thereafter

* 3:00 pm - Paulus makes a visit to the bank, and has 1 hour missing before arriving home

* 5:00 pm - Paulus takes Joran to the Racquet club wtih the gym bag containing evidence, and Joran meets with Koen to make arrangements for the boat - and they do not play tennis.

* 6:00 pm - Paulus makes his second trip to the Racquet Club to retrieve Joran and the gym bag, they then retrieve Miss Holloway's remains.

* 7:25 pm - Joran calls Deepak, triangulation of the cell phone records shows the location near the boat launch

* 8:15 - 8:30 pm - Paulus at home on the computer researching drugs, Joran at the Wyndham casino.

* 10:30 pm - The van der Sloots are aware the Twitty's are en route to Aruba on a privately chartered jet.

* 11:30 pm - Joran, Guido, and Deepak are in discussion in Deepak’s car in a casino parking lot.

* 2:00 am - Deepak, Joran and Guido leave the casino for one hour, Deepak's car is seen at 2:30 am at the van der sloot home .

As we close this series, we point out that others close to the investigation have also arrived at the exact same conclusion.[/i]



JOSSY MANSUR:

Joran had access to several boats, Mansur said, and could have used one of them to dispose of Natalee's body.

"Whatever happened to her, happened at Joran's apartment or at the beach to the north of the Marriott hotel," Mansur said. "The disposal of her body, we strongly believe, was masterminded by the father, who coached them by the pool at his home and drilled them in what they had to say and which story they had to cling to."

This is exactly what I have been looking for.
18 hours after Natalee was reported missing and the black guys at her hotel were accused and a distraction, the van der Sloots were hiding the body in the bay where her jawbone washed up after hurricane Tomas.
Exactly. But who was the boat that helped them?

The Gottenboes had a boat. A boat outing was documented in Sander G's statement. I believe the boys Koen and Sander may be cousins with Joran. Not sure if that was ever proven. But many who believe in a sea burial believe this boat was involved.  Much more involved in this story. yYou can probably search gottenboes boat here at SM and get more info (if I spelled their name right :oops:)

Steve Croes had access to a boat.

Lorenzo Van Rijn had access to a boat but I'm not sure it's ever been proven that he even knows Joran.

Arends or Arendz I believe are associated with race boats -- and Joran's friend.

And I think there is a 'police' force unit that has boats.

Many boats. Island living.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: sharon on November 21, 2010, 03:10:13 PM
Sharon - thank you for that reminder.  And great to see you, my friend!  ::MonkeyKiss::

 ::HelloKitty:: ::HelloKitty::

And here we are again  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: I hope this is 'the' time that Natalee's family gets a small piece of relief :(

Smooches  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 21, 2010, 03:29:40 PM
* 10:00 am - 4 suspects meet at Bubali police station, and meet at the van der Sloot pool thereafter

* 3:00 pm - Paulus makes a visit to the bank, and has 1 hour missing before arriving home

* 5:00 pm - Paulus takes Joran to the Racquet club wtih the gym bag containing evidence, and Joran meets with Koen to make arrangements for the boat - and they do not play tennis.

* 6:00 pm - Paulus makes his second trip to the Racquet Club to retrieve Joran and the gym bag, they then retrieve Miss Holloway's remains.

* 7:25 pm - Joran calls Deepak, triangulation of the cell phone records shows the location near the boat launch

* 8:15 - 8:30 pm - Paulus at home on the computer researching drugs, Joran at the Wyndham casino.

* 10:30 pm - The van der Sloots are aware the Twitty's are en route to Aruba on a privately chartered jet.

* 11:30 pm - Joran, Guido, and Deepak are in discussion in Deepak’s car in a casino parking lot.

* 2:00 am - Deepak, Joran and Guido leave the casino for one hour, Deepak's car is seen at 2:30 am at the van der sloot home .

As we close this series, we point out that others close to the investigation have also arrived at the exact same conclusion.[/i]



JOSSY MANSUR:

Joran had access to several boats, Mansur said, and could have used one of them to dispose of Natalee's body.

"Whatever happened to her, happened at Joran's apartment or at the beach to the north of the Marriott hotel," Mansur said. "The disposal of her body, we strongly believe, was masterminded by the father, who coached them by the pool at his home and drilled them in what they had to say and which story they had to cling to."

This is exactly what I have been looking for.
18 hours after Natalee was reported missing and the black guys at her hotel were accused and a distraction, the van der Sloots were hiding the body in the bay where her jawbone washed up after hurricane Tomas.
Exactly. But who was the boat that helped them?

The Gottenboes had a boat. A boat outing was documented in Sander G's statement. I believe the boys Koen and Sander may be cousins with Joran. Not sure if that was ever proven. But many who believe in a sea burial believe this boat was involved.  Much more involved in this story. yYou can probably search gottenboes boat here at SM and get more info (if I spelled their name right :oops:)

Steve Croes had access to a boat.

Lorenzo Van Rijn had access to a boat but I'm not sure it's ever been proven that he even knows Joran.

Arends or Arendz I believe are associated with race boats -- and Joran's friend.

And I think there is a 'police' force unit that has boats.

Many boats. Island living.

Hi, Sharon.

Even the Persistence had help from a local 28 ft. boat, PREDATOR.....so many boats & willing helpers.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg371156;topicseen#msg371156


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Anna on November 21, 2010, 03:46:15 PM
Does anyone else think that it just doesn't do Aruba any good to deny the fact that Natalee is deceased and Joran is responsible now that he is practically caught on tape in Peru?  I mean, what are the odds that there was another psycho in Aruba at that time who caused Natalee to disappear?  That would be even worse for their tourism image.

So now that he is soooo caught, they have no reason to remain in denial and keep saying no evidence and all the rest of the cover up.  They will still say they have no evidence that Joran is guilty which is true because they deliberately refused to collect any but to continue to deny that anything even happened is just stretching credibility too far and even the tone deaf Arubans can pick up on that this just will not be believed after what Joran did in Peru.  So they might as well give her back and hope that will cause Beth to go away.

I know I am not making any sense but after this long, I do think most of you will understand what I am trying to say.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 21, 2010, 03:46:40 PM
Here is a somewhat interesting thread about the jawbone found near the Phoenix, including a question from a tourist about whether the beach was closed and indignation that nothing was being done and also a post from someone who just returned from there, who described the abundance of things that came ashore and the use of 'heavy equipment' to remove it.    ::MonkeyShocked::

http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=81560


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Anna on November 21, 2010, 03:48:58 PM
I can't help checking about 4 times a day even on the weekend, lol!  My mind tells me we will find out Wednesday night or even Thursday or Friday but my heart keeps looking!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Anna on November 21, 2010, 03:51:18 PM
Here is a somewhat interesting thread about the jawbone found near the Phoenix, including a question from a tourist about whether the beach was closed and indignation that nothing was being done and also a post from someone who just returned from there, who described the abundance of things that came ashore and the use of 'heavy equipment' to remove it.    ::MonkeyShocked::

http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=81560



Oh, good grief!  That's the very worst thing they could do but why am I not surprised???  Makes me furious even if this is not Natalee, it's Somebody!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Dihannah1 on November 21, 2010, 04:00:45 PM
Does anyone else think that it just doesn't do Aruba any good to deny the fact that Natalee is deceased and Joran is responsible now that he is practically caught on tape in Peru?  I mean, what are the odds that there was another psycho in Aruba at that time who caused Natalee to disappear?  That would be even worse for their tourism image.

So now that he is soooo caught, they have no reason to remain in denial and keep saying no evidence and all the rest of the cover up.  They will still say they have no evidence that Joran is guilty which is true because they deliberately refused to collect any but to continue to deny that anything even happened is just stretching credibility too far and even the tone deaf Arubans can pick up on that this just will not be believed after what Joran did in Peru.  So they might as well give her back and hope that will cause Beth to go away.

I know I am not making any sense but after this long, I do think most of you will understand what I am trying to say.



Anna, you make perfect sense, as usual!  I would think it would be in there best interest to  admit it was him, give Nat back and let it go in the past.  He's going to rot in Peru either way.  And as for the rest of those in the conspiracy, God can take care of them! Perfect chance for them to move on.   It's a win/win for everybody!  MOO


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Dihannah1 on November 21, 2010, 04:08:07 PM
Here is a somewhat interesting thread about the jawbone found near the Phoenix, including a question from a tourist about whether the beach was closed and indignation that nothing was being done and also a post from someone who just returned from there, who described the abundance of things that came ashore and the use of 'heavy equipment' to remove it.    ::MonkeyShocked::

http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=81560

It amazes me that these people are familiar with Nat's case, but continue to book trips there, with so many other islands to go to.  I mean, they are willing to risk it????  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 21, 2010, 04:22:45 PM
Here is a somewhat interesting thread about the jawbone found near the Phoenix, including a question from a tourist about whether the beach was closed and indignation that nothing was being done and also a post from someone who just returned from there, who described the abundance of things that came ashore and the use of 'heavy equipment' to remove it.    ::MonkeyShocked::

http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=81560



Oh, good grief!  That's the very worst thing they could do but why am I not surprised???  Makes me furious even if this is not Natalee, it's Somebody!

My thoughts, exactly, Anna.  I was also wondering how much 'heavy equipment' they have now after 5 plus years.  Seems I recall they had a shortage after Natalee vanished. 



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 21, 2010, 04:25:34 PM
Here is a somewhat interesting thread about the jawbone found near the Phoenix, including a question from a tourist about whether the beach was closed and indignation that nothing was being done and also a post from someone who just returned from there, who described the abundance of things that came ashore and the use of 'heavy equipment' to remove it.    ::MonkeyShocked::

http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=81560

It amazes me that these people are familiar with Nat's case, but continue to book trips there, with so many other islands to go to.  I mean, they are willing to risk it????  ::MonkeyShocked::

We've found that many acquaintances have gone recently or their children honeymooned there.  I don't get it, either.  I think one group was there when Tomas hit.  We'll see them in a couple of weeks at a dinner.  I'll have to ask about it, then. 



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 21, 2010, 04:27:21 PM
Does anyone else think that it just doesn't do Aruba any good to deny the fact that Natalee is deceased and Joran is responsible now that he is practically caught on tape in Peru?  I mean, what are the odds that there was another psycho in Aruba at that time who caused Natalee to disappear?  That would be even worse for their tourism image.

So now that he is soooo caught, they have no reason to remain in denial and keep saying no evidence and all the rest of the cover up.  They will still say they have no evidence that Joran is guilty which is true because they deliberately refused to collect any but to continue to deny that anything even happened is just stretching credibility too far and even the tone deaf Arubans can pick up on that this just will not be believed after what Joran did in Peru.  So they might as well give her back and hope that will cause Beth to go away.

I know I am not making any sense but after this long, I do think most of you will understand what I am trying to say.



Anna, you make perfect sense, as usual!  I would think it would be in there best interest to  admit it was him, give Nat back and let it go in the past.  He's going to rot in Peru either way.  And as for the rest of those in the conspiracy, God can take care of them! Perfect chance for them to move on.   It's a win/win for everybody!  MOO


Aah yes, but the problem in admitting that equals more than a few bones that wash ashore and it won’t be left to the past.  They will stand wide open in exposure for the corruption and cover up Starting with Van der Stratten.
This is a Big Mess and they don’t know how to clean it up and do damage control so they will continue to deny it.
They just don’t understand that the Truth will prevail.

I wonder how Van der Stratten is handling this news. He and Anita must weigh about 98lbs wet now!
::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Dihannah1 on November 21, 2010, 04:33:35 PM
Does anyone else think that it just doesn't do Aruba any good to deny the fact that Natalee is deceased and Joran is responsible now that he is practically caught on tape in Peru?  I mean, what are the odds that there was another psycho in Aruba at that time who caused Natalee to disappear?  That would be even worse for their tourism image.

So now that he is soooo caught, they have no reason to remain in denial and keep saying no evidence and all the rest of the cover up.  They will still say they have no evidence that Joran is guilty which is true because they deliberately refused to collect any but to continue to deny that anything even happened is just stretching credibility too far and even the tone deaf Arubans can pick up on that this just will not be believed after what Joran did in Peru.  So they might as well give her back and hope that will cause Beth to go away.

I know I am not making any sense but after this long, I do think most of you will understand what I am trying to say.



Anna, you make perfect sense, as usual!  I would think it would be in there best interest to  admit it was him, give Nat back and let it go in the past.  He's going to rot in Peru either way.  And as for the rest of those in the conspiracy, God can take care of them! Perfect chance for them to move on.   It's a win/win for everybody!  MOO


Aah yes, but the problem in admitting that equals more than a few bones that wash ashore and it won’t be left to the past.  They will stand wide open in exposure for the corruption and cover up Starting with Van der Stratten.
This is a Big Mess and they don’t know how to clean it up and do damage control so they will continue to deny it.
They just don’t understand that the Truth will prevail.

I wonder how Van der Stratten is handling this news. He and Anita must weigh about 98lbs wet now!
::MonkeyDevil::

Good point!  Wishful thinking on mine!  ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 21, 2010, 04:40:39 PM
Does anyone else think that it just doesn't do Aruba any good to deny the fact that Natalee is deceased and Joran is responsible now that he is practically caught on tape in Peru?  I mean, what are the odds that there was another psycho in Aruba at that time who caused Natalee to disappear?  That would be even worse for their tourism image.

So now that he is soooo caught, they have no reason to remain in denial and keep saying no evidence and all the rest of the cover up.  They will still say they have no evidence that Joran is guilty which is true because they deliberately refused to collect any but to continue to deny that anything even happened is just stretching credibility too far and even the tone deaf Arubans can pick up on that this just will not be believed after what Joran did in Peru.  So they might as well give her back and hope that will cause Beth to go away.

I know I am not making any sense but after this long, I do think most of you will understand what I am trying to say.



Anna, you make perfect sense, as usual!  I would think it would be in there best interest to  admit it was him, give Nat back and let it go in the past.  He's going to rot in Peru either way.  And as for the rest of those in the conspiracy, God can take care of them! Perfect chance for them to move on.   It's a win/win for everybody!  MOO


Aah yes, but the problem in admitting that equals more than a few bones that wash ashore and it won’t be left to the past.  They will stand wide open in exposure for the corruption and cover up Starting with Van der Stratten.
This is a Big Mess and they don’t know how to clean it up and do damage control so they will continue to deny it.
They just don’t understand that the Truth will prevail.

I wonder how Van der Stratten is handling this news. He and Anita must weigh about 98lbs wet now! ::MonkeyDevil::

I doubt it!    ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: jjayinthemorning on November 21, 2010, 05:07:29 PM
* 10:00 am - 4 suspects meet at Bubali police station, and meet at the van der Sloot pool thereafter

* 3:00 pm - Paulus makes a visit to the bank, and has 1 hour missing before arriving home

* 5:00 pm - Paulus takes Joran to the Racquet club wtih the gym bag containing evidence, and Joran meets with Koen to make arrangements for the boat - and they do not play tennis.

* 6:00 pm - Paulus makes his second trip to the Racquet Club to retrieve Joran and the gym bag, they then retrieve Miss Holloway's remains.

* 7:25 pm - Joran calls Deepak, triangulation of the cell phone records shows the location near the boat launch

* 8:15 - 8:30 pm - Paulus at home on the computer researching drugs, Joran at the Wyndham casino.

* 10:30 pm - The van der Sloots are aware the Twitty's are en route to Aruba on a privately chartered jet.

* 11:30 pm - Joran, Guido, and Deepak are in discussion in Deepak’s car in a casino parking lot.

* 2:00 am - Deepak, Joran and Guido leave the casino for one hour, Deepak's car is seen at 2:30 am at the van der sloot home .

As we close this series, we point out that others close to the investigation have also arrived at the exact same conclusion.[/i]



JOSSY MANSUR:

Joran had access to several boats, Mansur said, and could have used one of them to dispose of Natalee's body.

"Whatever happened to her, happened at Joran's apartment or at the beach to the north of the Marriott hotel," Mansur said. "The disposal of her body, we strongly believe, was masterminded by the father, who coached them by the pool at his home and drilled them in what they had to say and which story they had to cling to."

This is exactly what I have been looking for.
18 hours after Natalee was reported missing and the black guys at her hotel were accused and a distraction, the van der Sloots were hiding the body in the bay where her jawbone washed up after hurricane Tomas.
Exactly. But who was the boat that helped them?

The Gottenboes had a boat. A boat outing was documented in Sander G's statement. I believe the boys Koen and Sander may be cousins with Joran. Not sure if that was ever proven. But many who believe in a sea burial believe this boat was involved.  Much more involved in this story. yYou can probably search gottenboes boat here at SM and get more info (if I spelled their name right :oops:)

Steve Croes had access to a boat.

Lorenzo Van Rijn had access to a boat but I'm not sure it's ever been proven that he even knows Joran.

Arends or Arendz I believe are associated with race boats -- and Joran's friend.

And I think there is a 'police' force unit that has boats.

Many boats. Island living.
At the time, right after the disappearance, suspicion of boats was an afterthought. And I remember talk of the DJ who took his boat out around the time too that matched a cell phone call.
Maybe even the boat owner didn't know Joran and Paulus' plan to dump the body, maybe they thought they were dumping stolen goods, or something else. I'm sure their story was elaborate.
Like the brother that helped Drew Peterson move that giant box... he was an eyewitness but didn't even know it.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Shy Monkey on November 21, 2010, 05:24:31 PM
Thinking about Beth and Dave made me remember a poem I wrote for them a couple of years ago. With this new possibility looming before us, I thought I would share it again while we wait.


In His Time

Even while I grieve, I know You are in charge...
I know You're the Boss of this show.
I know we are taught that we must wait on You
But have I the strength? I don't know...

I have tried to be patient, though waiting is hard...
I've tried to just leave it to You.
But the way things have gone just haven't been good...
And I constantly see evil anew.

But again I will do what I know You have asked...
And trust in Your power and Your love.
I will fall to my knees to join others in prayer
And pray for strength from above.

But wait! What was that? What do I hear?
Beautiful voices, whispers, and then...
A soft sweet voice clearly says "In His Time"
Like a promise to me, Heaven sent.

Then a glimpse of her face and her smile I see.
She reminds me of all we are taught.
That we must have faith, believe, and hold true…
Believing is never for naught.

Justice is His, and the righteous will win!
This is promised to those who believe...
So although I am tired, weary and worn
I will wait on You Lord, though I grieve.

I will pray in faith for Justice to come...
To be served rightly so, in Your time.
I will pray for patience as I try to hold on,
My prayer will be… "in Your time, not mine".

by GabbyG

Thank you GabbyG.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet



Gabby that was beautiful and I really appreciate you sharing it with us.  I don't post often but I am here each and everyday reading and praying for justice for all those who have been wronged.  I believe that if it doesn't come on Earth it will come in Heaven.  My prayers to all those who have been hurt or who are hurting and God bless you all for keeping us up to date in addition to all the wonderful things you do for those in need.  I have the greatest respect for all of you and thank you from the bottom of my heart!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: sharon on November 21, 2010, 05:41:18 PM


Hi, Sharon.

Even the Persistence had help from a local 28 ft. boat, PREDATOR.....so many boats & willing helpers.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg371156;topicseen#msg371156

 ::HelloKitty::

Happy Turkey week to you  ::MonkeyKiss::

Yes, so many boats available.  :(




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: sharon on November 21, 2010, 05:44:48 PM
* 10:00 am - 4 suspects meet at Bubali police station, and meet at the van der Sloot pool thereafter

* 3:00 pm - Paulus makes a visit to the bank, and has 1 hour missing before arriving home

* 5:00 pm - Paulus takes Joran to the Racquet club wtih the gym bag containing evidence, and Joran meets with Koen to make arrangements for the boat - and they do not play tennis.

* 6:00 pm - Paulus makes his second trip to the Racquet Club to retrieve Joran and the gym bag, they then retrieve Miss Holloway's remains.

* 7:25 pm - Joran calls Deepak, triangulation of the cell phone records shows the location near the boat launch

* 8:15 - 8:30 pm - Paulus at home on the computer researching drugs, Joran at the Wyndham casino.

* 10:30 pm - The van der Sloots are aware the Twitty's are en route to Aruba on a privately chartered jet.

* 11:30 pm - Joran, Guido, and Deepak are in discussion in Deepak’s car in a casino parking lot.

* 2:00 am - Deepak, Joran and Guido leave the casino for one hour, Deepak's car is seen at 2:30 am at the van der sloot home .

As we close this series, we point out that others close to the investigation have also arrived at the exact same conclusion.[/i]



JOSSY MANSUR:

Joran had access to several boats, Mansur said, and could have used one of them to dispose of Natalee's body.

"Whatever happened to her, happened at Joran's apartment or at the beach to the north of the Marriott hotel," Mansur said. "The disposal of her body, we strongly believe, was masterminded by the father, who coached them by the pool at his home and drilled them in what they had to say and which story they had to cling to."

This is exactly what I have been looking for.
18 hours after Natalee was reported missing and the black guys at her hotel were accused and a distraction, the van der Sloots were hiding the body in the bay where her jawbone washed up after hurricane Tomas.
Exactly. But who was the boat that helped them?

The Gottenboes had a boat. A boat outing was documented in Sander G's statement. I believe the boys Koen and Sander may be cousins with Joran. Not sure if that was ever proven. But many who believe in a sea burial believe this boat was involved.  Much more involved in this story. yYou can probably search gottenboes boat here at SM and get more info (if I spelled their name right :oops:)

Steve Croes had access to a boat.

Lorenzo Van Rijn had access to a boat but I'm not sure it's ever been proven that he even knows Joran.

Arends or Arendz I believe are associated with race boats -- and Joran's friend.

And I think there is a 'police' force unit that has boats.

Many boats. Island living.
At the time, right after the disappearance, suspicion of boats was an afterthought. And I remember talk of the DJ who took his boat out around the time too that matched a cell phone call.
Maybe even the boat owner didn't know Joran and Paulus' plan to dump the body, maybe they thought they were dumping stolen goods, or something else. I'm sure their story was elaborate.
Like the brother that helped Drew Peterson move that giant box... he was an eyewitness but didn't even know it.

I think there could have been a sizable cage involved -- or at least a body.

It would be difficult for the accomplices to not know.

In my opinion only.

There was damage reported on the Gottenboes boat a few days after Natalee went missing -- right around the time the G's sold it to the 'Octopus' guy. iirc.





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Ono on November 21, 2010, 06:13:19 PM
O/T

Glenda is parsing words again.  There is a well known anthropologist residing in Aruba. He probably made the initial identification.

Luc Alofs, anthropologist, curator of the Historical Museum Aruba

http://www.petergreenberg.com/2009/08/22/ask-the-locals-island-guide-aruba/

http://www.rnw.nl/caribiana/article/arubaanse-verkiezingen-platteland-versus-de-stad?quicktabs_1=1

(http://cdn.radionetherlands.nl/data/files/imagecache/must_carry/images/lead/luc%20en%20lydia%20002.JPG)



 ::MonkeyEek::

Oh My!! You'd think if he were an anthropologist, he could pick up a couple of better fitting teeth............. just sayin'.

No kidding!!!    ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on November 21, 2010, 06:19:38 PM
Here is a somewhat interesting thread about the jawbone found near the Phoenix, including a question from a tourist about whether the beach was closed and indignation that nothing was being done and also a post from someone who just returned from there, who described the abundance of things that came ashore and the use of 'heavy equipment' to remove it.    ::MonkeyShocked::

http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=81560

I found this comment interesting.  Is the spin doctoring beginning?

arubamikey  Post subject: Re: Jaw bone found at the PhoenixPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 2:36 pm
 
It could be from the newlywed who went on a kayak with her husband in the early 1990's while on their honeymoon, and neither was ever seen again.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Ono on November 21, 2010, 06:24:39 PM
Does anyone else think that it just doesn't do Aruba any good to deny the fact that Natalee is deceased and Joran is responsible now that he is practically caught on tape in Peru?  I mean, what are the odds that there was another psycho in Aruba at that time who caused Natalee to disappear?  That would be even worse for their tourism image.

So now that he is soooo caught, they have no reason to remain in denial and keep saying no evidence and all the rest of the cover up.  They will still say they have no evidence that Joran is guilty which is true because they deliberately refused to collect any but to continue to deny that anything even happened is just stretching credibility too far and even the tone deaf Arubans can pick up on that this just will not be believed after what Joran did in Peru.  So they might as well give her back and hope that will cause Beth to go away.

I know I am not making any sense but after this long, I do think most of you will understand what I am trying to say.


You make a lot of sense, Anna-as always!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Ono on November 21, 2010, 06:29:09 PM
Does anyone else think that it just doesn't do Aruba any good to deny the fact that Natalee is deceased and Joran is responsible now that he is practically caught on tape in Peru?  I mean, what are the odds that there was another psycho in Aruba at that time who caused Natalee to disappear?  That would be even worse for their tourism image.

So now that he is soooo caught, they have no reason to remain in denial and keep saying no evidence and all the rest of the cover up.  They will still say they have no evidence that Joran is guilty which is true because they deliberately refused to collect any but to continue to deny that anything even happened is just stretching credibility too far and even the tone deaf Arubans can pick up on that this just will not be believed after what Joran did in Peru.  So they might as well give her back and hope that will cause Beth to go away.

I know I am not making any sense but after this long, I do think most of you will understand what I am trying to say.



Anna, you make perfect sense, as usual!  I would think it would be in there best interest to  admit it was him, give Nat back and let it go in the past.  He's going to rot in Peru either way.  And as for the rest of those in the conspiracy, God can take care of them! Perfect chance for them to move on.   It's a win/win for everybody!  MOO


Aah yes, but the problem in admitting that equals more than a few bones that wash ashore and it won’t be left to the past.  They will stand wide open in exposure for the corruption and cover up Starting with Van der Stratten.
This is a Big Mess and they don’t know how to clean it up and do damage control so they will continue to deny it.
They just don’t understand that the Truth will prevail.

I wonder how Van der Stratten is handling this news. He and Anita must weigh about 98lbs wet now!
::MonkeyDevil::

Lol-I'd like to see Anita weigh 98 lbs!!  Ain't ever gonna happen!!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on November 21, 2010, 06:31:42 PM
http://www.24ora.com/gallery.html?func=detail&id=19964
True house music @ Confession 13nov'10
(http://www.24ora.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=202&id=19964&Itemid=63)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8719.msg1260897#msg1260897
Aitana Cardoso (far right in the picture) just turned 17.  She's a student (senior iirc) at the International School of Aruba.

http://komamodels.com/models/ko-girls/aitana-cardoso.html

http://www.aruba-travelguide.com/faq/index.html

What is the legal drinking/gambling age?
The legal age for both drinking and gambling is 18 years. It is not, however, widely enforced. You will not usually be "carded".

They don't seem to have any capacity regulations for over capacity either.  Posted last night Club Zissles

(http://c0013554.cdn1.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/x2_37890f9)

http://plixi.com/p/58233081


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 21, 2010, 06:34:52 PM
Here is a somewhat interesting thread about the jawbone found near the Phoenix, including a question from a tourist about whether the beach was closed and indignation that nothing was being done and also a post from someone who just returned from there, who described the abundance of things that came ashore and the use of 'heavy equipment' to remove it.    ::MonkeyShocked::

http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=81560

I found this comment interesting.  Is the spin doctoring beginning?

arubamikey  Post subject: Re: Jaw bone found at the PhoenixPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 2:36 pm
 
It could be from the newlywed who went on a kayak with her husband in the early 1990's while on their honeymoon, and neither was ever seen again.



Yeah, I had similar thoughts...will have to do some digging on that.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on November 21, 2010, 07:05:49 PM
Why aren't they listed with the others missing in/on Aruba> ?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: jjayinthemorning on November 21, 2010, 07:09:33 PM
I think there could have been a sizable cage involved -- or at least a body.

It would be difficult for the accomplices to not know.

In my opinion only.

There was damage reported on the Gottenboes boat a few days after Natalee went missing -- right around the time the G's sold it to the 'Octopus' guy. iirc.
Sharon!! You are freaking me out!
Who is Octopus guy?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 21, 2010, 07:11:27 PM
Does anyone else think that it just doesn't do Aruba any good to deny the fact that Natalee is deceased and Joran is responsible now that he is practically caught on tape in Peru?  I mean, what are the odds that there was another psycho in Aruba at that time who caused Natalee to disappear?  That would be even worse for their tourism image.

So now that he is soooo caught, they have no reason to remain in denial and keep saying no evidence and all the rest of the cover up.  They will still say they have no evidence that Joran is guilty which is true because they deliberately refused to collect any but to continue to deny that anything even happened is just stretching credibility too far and even the tone deaf Arubans can pick up on that this just will not be believed after what Joran did in Peru.  So they might as well give her back and hope that will cause Beth to go away.

I know I am not making any sense but after this long, I do think most of you will understand what I am trying to say.



Anna, you make perfect sense, as usual!  I would think it would be in there best interest to  admit it was him, give Nat back and let it go in the past.  He's going to rot in Peru either way.  And as for the rest of those in the conspiracy, God can take care of them! Perfect chance for them to move on.   It's a win/win for everybody!  MOO


Aah yes, but the problem in admitting that equals more than a few bones that wash ashore and it won’t be left to the past.  They will stand wide open in exposure for the corruption and cover up Starting with Van der Stratten.
This is a Big Mess and they don’t know how to clean it up and do damage control so they will continue to deny it.
They just don’t understand that the Truth will prevail.

I wonder how Van der Stratten is handling this news. He and Anita must weigh about 98lbs wet now!
::MonkeyDevil::

Lol-I'd like to see Anita weigh 98 lbs!!  Ain't ever gonna happen!!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Well I figure she's been "Sweatin in her Moldies" ::MonkeyDance::
Yes, what you say makes the most sense but, you are talking about ARUBA here and They just don't get it, they are afraid of the truth because the corruption went high on the totem pole. It only started with Joran and the Kalpoes.  Now with Paulus dead and Joran in Peru they are left holding the bag! Don't forget they still answer to the Neitherlands!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: jjayinthemorning on November 21, 2010, 07:17:26 PM
I think there could have been a sizable cage involved -- or at least a body.

It would be difficult for the accomplices to not know.

In my opinion only.

There was damage reported on the Gottenboes boat a few days after Natalee went missing -- right around the time the G's sold it to the 'Octopus' guy. iirc.
Sharon!! You are freaking me out!
Who is Octopus guy?
PS
I thought you meant Paul Allen of Microsoft who owns Octopus, the biggest yacht in the world. But you are talking about the snorkel boat Octopus. And those guys would know the frequented waters by tourists and where to hide a body in a trap too!!! Makes perfect sense!!!
And it could have been a combo, they knew the location and the other boat delivered the goods. hmmmm.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 21, 2010, 07:18:16 PM
At airport waiting to board.

If they know the results and it's not Natalee but they are waiting to give the results HOW CRUEL IS THAT?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on November 21, 2010, 07:22:51 PM
At airport waiting to board.

If they know the results and it's not Natalee but they are waiting to give the results HOW CRUEL IS THAT?

EXACTLY!!! Have a safe flight home.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 21, 2010, 07:24:54 PM
At airport waiting to board.

If they know the results and it's not Natalee but they are waiting to give the results HOW CRUEL IS THAT?

Very Cruel....either yes or no would be a simple answer.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Rob on November 21, 2010, 07:25:43 PM
Why aren't they listed with the others missing in/on Aruba> ?

I'm trying not to get too excited about this find. Simply because this could be someone never reported missing and we all know how well Aruba keeps records.

It could be someone from the 70's, 80's or early 90's and those are records and info we have never ever seen. We basically have found from the mid 90's to the present. That's all.

People have been going missing there for hundreds years and they use the ocean to dump 'em.

Maybe it's Natalee - maybe it's not. I hope it is, but I'm not getting my hopes up again.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 21, 2010, 07:26:01 PM
I think there could have been a sizable cage involved -- or at least a body.

It would be difficult for the accomplices to not know.

In my opinion only.

There was damage reported on the Gottenboes boat a few days after Natalee went missing -- right around the time the G's sold it to the 'Octopus' guy. iirc.
Sharon!! You are freaking me out!
Who is Octopus guy?

Gesterkamp

http://www.octopusaruba.com/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 21, 2010, 07:29:52 PM
At airport waiting to board.

If they know the results and it's not Natalee but they are waiting to give the results HOW CRUEL IS THAT?

Too cruel, Taco Stein did say that the family would be notified first so I do have a sliver of hope that if it's not her...they have been notified.

But it's a itsy bitsy tee niny tiny sliver...

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Rob on November 21, 2010, 07:33:39 PM
I think there could have been a sizable cage involved -- or at least a body.

It would be difficult for the accomplices to not know.

In my opinion only.

There was damage reported on the Gottenboes boat a few days after Natalee went missing -- right around the time the G's sold it to the 'Octopus' guy. iirc.
Sharon!! You are freaking me out!
Who is Octopus guy?
PS
I thought you meant Paul Allen of Microsoft who owns Octopus, the biggest yacht in the world. But you are talking about the snorkel boat Octopus. And those guys would know the frequented waters by tourists and where to hide a body in a trap too!!! Makes perfect sense!!!
And it could have been a combo, they knew the location and the other boat delivered the goods. hmmmm.

not the biggest yacht in the world - that's owned by Russian oil magnet Roman Abramovich - who used to own the Ecstasea. Which was off shore when Natalee was murdered.

here it is - the Eclipse.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/16/roman-abramovichs-eclipse_n_540947.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 21, 2010, 07:40:17 PM
I think there could have been a sizable cage involved -- or at least a body.

It would be difficult for the accomplices to not know.

In my opinion only.

There was damage reported on the Gottenboes boat a few days after Natalee went missing -- right around the time the G's sold it to the 'Octopus' guy. iirc.
Sharon!! You are freaking me out!
Who is Octopus guy?

Gesterkamp

http://www.octopusaruba.com/

I remembered the name, but knew I would spell it wrong. ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 21, 2010, 07:40:47 PM
In the US we are literally educated and raised to believe “Tell the Truth and the Truth will Set you Free”.  There are poles that indicate that more Americans are basically honest and truthful than not.  We have standards of expectation in this country that far exceed any expectations in places such as ARUBA.

I am NOT saying we don’t lie here, I’m NOT saying we don’t have crime or corruption.

I AM saying that the “AVERAGE AMERICAN CITIZEN IS HONEST and HELD TO A HIGH REGARD OF HONESTY by other American Citizens”.

You ask someone a question in America and we expect them to tell the truth, we expect them to do the right thing.  We don’t question that unless we know that they are flat out lying to us and even then we are skeptical of the lie not necessarily the person.

It is not like that all over the world and that is why we need to be cautious when traveling. 

We live in a cocoon and that is why some cannot understand the level of corruption in this case or why they won’t just come clean and give Natalee back to us!

JMHO (case in point – even in our comments we say JMHO My Honest Opinion) why because of the high regard of honesty we hold so dear.

I’m Proud to be an American and I’m proud to stand and DEMAND Justice for NATALEE!
 ::monkeywine2:: ::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: can on November 21, 2010, 07:45:23 PM
Wasn't Peter Devries (2nd part) supposed to air today?

If you're out there EURobert or Jo-Ann could you let us know please.






Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: can on November 21, 2010, 07:48:31 PM
Klaas, if they know, it's just too cruel.  Sadistic, if you ask me!!!

Have a good flight Klaas.

Thanks to all the Mod's who so ably covered for Klaas, so she could have a bit of time away.    ::MonkeyCheer4::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 21, 2010, 07:53:45 PM
Klaas, if they know, it's just too cruel.  Sadistic, if you ask me!!!

Have a good flight Klaas.

Thanks to all the Mod's who so ably covered for Klaas, so she could have a bit of time away.    ::MonkeyCheer4::



Klass took a nap and called it a vacation! ::MonkeyHaHa::  I sure hope she had a good nap! ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 21, 2010, 07:58:51 PM
Wasn't Peter Devries (2nd part) supposed to air today?

If you're out there EURobert or Jo-Ann could you let us know please.



I think they have both been shown (the ones with Beth), one on Oct 31 and the other on Nov 7.

He may have another show airing tonight, but not about this case that I'm aware of.

Not sure if this has been posted or not.

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/nieuws/gevonden-onderkaak-van-jonge-vrouw/

Google translation:

(http://www.peterrdevries.nl/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/natalee-holloway-hoofd.jpg)

Friday, November 19, 2010, 11:32 hours

News

"Found mandible of young woman"


(http://www.peterrdevries.nl/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/natalee-klein.jpg)
Natalee Holloway
The lower jaw last week on the beach in Aruba was found, would be an Aruban prosecutor indeed a young woman. U.S. media reported Friday that, based on research first. A surprising twist, but it's still too early to draw conclusions from them. We await the outcome of the DNA research, which will take several weeks. Only then can be said with certainty whether the remains belong to Natalee Holloway.

The jaw was found Friday by a few tourists on the beach near the Phoenix Hotel, not far from the Bubali Plas. The tourists took their find to the reception, a hotel employee when the police warned. The investigation into the origin of the jaw is carried out by the Dutch Forensic Institute.

Marking time
Peter: "As long as there is no official confirmation of the NFI or Justice, I remain reserved. Beth Holloway is still in a wait and see situation. We have seen too often claimed that there was something of Natalee Holloway found, but every time afterwards proved to be untrue. That was always very disappointing, so we're now marking time. "


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: can on November 21, 2010, 08:05:15 PM
Wasn't Peter Devries (2nd part) supposed to air today?

If you're out there EURobert or Jo-Ann could you let us know please.



I think they have both been shown (the ones with Beth), one on Oct 31 and the other on Nov 7.

He may have another show airing tonight, but not about this case that I'm aware of.

Not sure if this has been posted or not.

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/nieuws/gevonden-onderkaak-van-jonge-vrouw/

Google translation:

(http://www.peterrdevries.nl/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/natalee-holloway-hoofd.jpg)

Friday, November 19, 2010, 11:32 hours

News

"Found mandible of young woman"


(http://www.peterrdevries.nl/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/natalee-klein.jpg)
Natalee Holloway
The lower jaw last week on the beach in Aruba was found, would be an Aruban prosecutor indeed a young woman. U.S. media reported Friday that, based on research first. A surprising twist, but it's still too early to draw conclusions from them. We await the outcome of the DNA research, which will take several weeks. Only then can be said with certainty whether the remains belong to Natalee Holloway.

The jaw was found Friday by a few tourists on the beach near the Phoenix Hotel, not far from the Bubali Plas. The tourists took their find to the reception, a hotel employee when the police warned. The investigation into the origin of the jaw is carried out by the Dutch Forensic Institute.

Marking time
Peter: "As long as there is no official confirmation of the NFI or Justice, I remain reserved. Beth Holloway is still in a wait and see situation. We have seen too often claimed that there was something of Natalee Holloway found, but every time afterwards proved to be untrue. That was always very disappointing, so we're now marking time. "

Thanks texasmom - sorry about that.

This says the DNA will take several weeks.

What about the dental impressions?  Rob reckons they will be able to tell by that.




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Rob on November 21, 2010, 08:08:49 PM
The mandible should have been sent to Quantico. It would all be known by now and there wouldn't be people wondering one way or the other if an announcement ever occurs.

I think, in the back of my mind - that the NFI can't even figure out who it's from.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Babybear on November 21, 2010, 08:13:12 PM
I have followed this only superficially, and don't know all of the characters as most of you do--just Natalee and Joran, the Kalpoes and Joran's father.  Also, of course Stephany Flores.  I'm just intruding here to say that I agree with what Mark Klaas said on NG a few nights ago--"Beth Holloway fears nothing."  Very few people have the courage she has had and continues to this day to demand the truth.  I admire her a lot.  I think Natalee would be very proud.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: cecilita on November 21, 2010, 08:14:00 PM
Good night Monkeys,
I have a question regarding the jaw found in Aruba. I know that it is a tooth attached to the jaw  but my questions is:....why the jay is detaches with the skull? with weather conditions and time, Will the tooth should fall out before the jaw detaches to the skull?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 21, 2010, 08:19:31 PM
Wasn't Peter Devries (2nd part) supposed to air today?

If you're out there EURobert or Jo-Ann could you let us know please.



I think they have both been shown (the ones with Beth), one on Oct 31 and the other on Nov 7.

He may have another show airing tonight, but not about this case that I'm aware of.

Not sure if this has been posted or not.

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/nieuws/gevonden-onderkaak-van-jonge-vrouw/

Google translation:

(http://www.peterrdevries.nl/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/natalee-holloway-hoofd.jpg)

Friday, November 19, 2010, 11:32 hours

News

"Found mandible of young woman"


(http://www.peterrdevries.nl/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/natalee-klein.jpg)
Natalee Holloway
The lower jaw last week on the beach in Aruba was found, would be an Aruban prosecutor indeed a young woman. U.S. media reported Friday that, based on research first. A surprising twist, but it's still too early to draw conclusions from them. We await the outcome of the DNA research, which will take several weeks. Only then can be said with certainty whether the remains belong to Natalee Holloway.

The jaw was found Friday by a few tourists on the beach near the Phoenix Hotel, not far from the Bubali Plas. The tourists took their find to the reception, a hotel employee when the police warned. The investigation into the origin of the jaw is carried out by the Dutch Forensic Institute.

Marking time
Peter: "As long as there is no official confirmation of the NFI or Justice, I remain reserved. Beth Holloway is still in a wait and see situation. We have seen too often claimed that there was something of Natalee Holloway found, but every time afterwards proved to be untrue. That was always very disappointing, so we're now marking time. "

Thanks texasmom - sorry about that.

This says the DNA will take several weeks.

What about the dental impressions?  Rob reckons they will be able to tell by that.


No problem at all, can!

I read that too, but I hope to goodness it doesn't take several weeks.   ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: can on November 21, 2010, 08:20:22 PM
The mandible should have been sent to Quantico. It would all be known by now and there wouldn't be people wondering one way or the other if an announcement ever occurs.

I think, in the back of my mind - that the NFI can't even figure out who it's from.

Thanks Rob.  If only!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Rob on November 21, 2010, 08:20:52 PM
Let's take a second -

How is odontology used to solve crimes? - bite marks. This explains how alignment is used to pin point specific tooth features.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKeEbVLZNWc

3-D presentation of tooth alignment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT3Kwy9P7lE&feature=related

Forensic Dentistry: World Trade Center to Ted Bundy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxF88-i-iNk&feature=related





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: can on November 21, 2010, 08:22:50 PM
I have followed this only superficially, and don't know all of the characters as most of you do--just Natalee and Joran, the Kalpoes and Joran's father.  Also, of course Stephany Flores.  I'm just intruding here to say that I agree with what Mark Klaas said on NG a few nights ago--"Beth Holloway fears nothing."  Very few people have the courage she has had and continues to this day to demand the truth.  I admire her a lot.  I think Natalee would be very proud.

Yes, Babybear I agree - Natalee would be very proud of her Mom.

The Monkeys are very proud of Beth too!



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: can on November 21, 2010, 08:24:14 PM
Good night Monkeys,
I have a question regarding the jaw found in Aruba. I know that it is a tooth attached to the jaw  but my questions is:....why the jay is detaches with the skull? with weather conditions and time, Will the tooth should fall out before the jaw detaches to the skull?

Good night cecilita.  Sorry, I can't answer your question.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 21, 2010, 08:27:44 PM
I have followed this only superficially, and don't know all of the characters as most of you do--just Natalee and Joran, the Kalpoes and Joran's father.  Also, of course Stephany Flores.  I'm just intruding here to say that I agree with what Mark Klaas said on NG a few nights ago--"Beth Holloway fears nothing."  Very few people have the courage she has had and continues to this day to demand the truth.  I admire her a lot.  I think Natalee would be very proud.

Yes, Babybear I agree - Natalee would be very proud of her Mom.

The Monkeys are very proud of Beth too!



Absolutely!   ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyHeart:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: can on November 21, 2010, 08:28:24 PM
Wasn't Peter Devries (2nd part) supposed to air today?

If you're out there EURobert or Jo-Ann could you let us know please.



I think they have both been shown (the ones with Beth), one on Oct 31 and the other on Nov 7.

He may have another show airing tonight, but not about this case that I'm aware of.

Not sure if this has been posted or not.

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/nieuws/gevonden-onderkaak-van-jonge-vrouw/

Google translation:

(http://www.peterrdevries.nl/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/natalee-holloway-hoofd.jpg)

Friday, November 19, 2010, 11:32 hours

News

"Found mandible of young woman"


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Natalee Holloway
The lower jaw last week on the beach in Aruba was found, would be an Aruban prosecutor indeed a young woman. U.S. media reported Friday that, based on research first. A surprising twist, but it's still too early to draw conclusions from them. We await the outcome of the DNA research, which will take several weeks. Only then can be said with certainty whether the remains belong to Natalee Holloway.

The jaw was found Friday by a few tourists on the beach near the Phoenix Hotel, not far from the Bubali Plas. The tourists took their find to the reception, a hotel employee when the police warned. The investigation into the origin of the jaw is carried out by the Dutch Forensic Institute.

Marking time
Peter: "As long as there is no official confirmation of the NFI or Justice, I remain reserved. Beth Holloway is still in a wait and see situation. We have seen too often claimed that there was something of Natalee Holloway found, but every time afterwards proved to be untrue. That was always very disappointing, so we're now marking time. "

Thanks texasmom - sorry about that.

This says the DNA will take several weeks.

What about the dental impressions?  Rob reckons they will be able to tell by that.


No problem at all, can!

I read that too, but I hope to goodness it doesn't take several weeks.   ::MonkeyWaa::

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Me too!  But, if it does take several weeks, I hope they keep Natalee's family informed.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Rob on November 21, 2010, 08:30:15 PM
In order to possible preform DNA testing on a single tooth - you first need to remove the tooth from the jaw bone. Then drill the center of the tooth to extract the DNA contained in the pulp of the remaining root.

There is usually a small portion remaining there - even after thousands of years. Teeth are enamel and lest for thousands of years.

However, with a single tooth - DNA replication may be need to CONFIRM a TEST. This is the process of using the nuclear DNA and copying the letter sequence to preform repeated tests to confirm the original results.

It does take some time to replicate the DNA. However, an initial test would confirm if they are on the right track. In a sense, if the initial tests did not reveal a match - that could occur due to cross contamination or simply because it is not a match. That's why repeated tests are completed. In order to do repeated test - you need something to accomplish this feat and you need more DNA - so replication is then used.

If you use the control sample - meaning the DNA directly from the tooth for the initial test - without replication - you risk not having anything to confirm in case of a positive match. So, again, replication is DONE first.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 21, 2010, 08:30:26 PM
Let's take a second -

How is odontology used to solve crimes? - bite marks. This explains how alignment is used to pin point specific tooth features.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKeEbVLZNWc

3-D presentation of tooth alignment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT3Kwy9P7lE&feature=related

Forensic Dentistry: World Trade Center to Ted Bundy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxF88-i-iNk&feature=related




GEEZ LOUISE ROB - I think you could have flown to the Hague, Identified the mandible, Made the Announcement and returned home by now!  What is their problem???


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: cookie on November 21, 2010, 08:35:06 PM
I have followed this only superficially, and don't know all of the characters as most of you do--just Natalee and Joran, the Kalpoes and Joran's father.  Also, of course Stephany Flores.  I'm just intruding here to say that I agree with what Mark Klaas said on NG a few nights ago--"Beth Holloway fears nothing."  Very few people have the courage she has had and continues to this day to demand the truth.  I admire her a lot.  I think Natalee would be very proud.

Yes, Babybear I agree - Natalee would be very proud of her Mom.

The Monkeys are very proud of Beth too!



Absolutely!   ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyHeart:: ::MonkeyAngel::

yeppers!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Rob on November 21, 2010, 08:41:38 PM
I should add - since Beth's DNA is on hand from the test on June 12th 2005, a mitochondrial DNA test would confirm it is Natalee rather quickly.

In the event there is no mitochondrial DNA comparison - replication is essential. This would be used to compare to a tooth brush or hair brush - or even clothing with Touch DNA comparison using skin cells.

Mitochondrial DNA is passed from every mother to every child.

So, once again, it is known through mitochondrial DNA, dental overlay using electronic records of the jaw bone, and any cast Dave sent to Holland. I am sure the results are known by now.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 21, 2010, 08:41:53 PM
Good night Monkeys,
I have a question regarding the jaw found in Aruba. I know that it is a tooth attached to the jaw  but my questions is:....why the jay is detaches with the skull? with weather conditions and time, Will the tooth should fall out before the jaw detaches to the skull?

I heard Dr. Baden say that it's difficult for the jaw to become seperated so that the lower half is disjointed from the upper. It made me wonder if the separation was from an injury sustained at the time of death. Stephany's and Joran's encounter came to mind.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 21, 2010, 08:45:25 PM
Rob? You understand the testing process far better than I do. Thank you for sharing the information with us.  ::MonkeyWink::

I'm trying to figure out why Dr. Baden was so adament that they knew by now if it was from Natalee or not. Any ideas? Thanks!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: can on November 21, 2010, 08:50:05 PM
I should add - since Beth's DNA is on hand from the test on June 12th 2005, a mitochondrial DNA test would confirm it is Natalee rather quickly.

In the event there is no mitochondrial DNA comparison - replication is essential. This would be used to compare to a tooth brush or hair brush - or even clothing with Touch DNA comparison using skin cells.

Mitochondrial DNA is passed from every mother to every child.

So, once again, it is known through mitochondrial DNA, dental overlay using electronic records of the jaw bone, and any cast Dave sent to Holland. I am sure the results are known by now.

Thanks Rob for your fine explanation.

Think you are saying that in Natalee's case, they already have the DNA replication, and it is only a matter of comparing that with the results of the DNA found in the tooth?

Isn't it amazing that DNA can remain in a tooth for so many years. 



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: can on November 21, 2010, 08:55:46 PM
I should add - since Beth's DNA is on hand from the test on June 12th 2005, a mitochondrial DNA test would confirm it is Natalee rather quickly.

In the event there is no mitochondrial DNA comparison - replication is essential. This would be used to compare to a tooth brush or hair brush - or even clothing with Touch DNA comparison using skin cells.

Mitochondrial DNA is passed from every mother to every child.

So, once again, it is known through mitochondrial DNA, dental overlay using electronic records of the jaw bone, and any cast Dave sent to Holland. I am sure the results are known by now.

Thanks Rob for your fine explanation.

Think you are saying that in Natalee's case, they already have the DNA replication, and it is only a matter of comparing that with the results of the DNA found in the tooth?

Isn't it amazing that DNA can remain in a tooth for so many years. 



to add.  Thus, since they are testing against Beth's DNA - and I expect the family made sure they got samples of Natalee's DNA in '05 as well, the problem of using up all the DNA in the tooth, would not be an issue here?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: can on November 21, 2010, 08:59:13 PM
Good night Monkeys,
I have a question regarding the jaw found in Aruba. I know that it is a tooth attached to the jaw  but my questions is:....why the jay is detaches with the skull? with weather conditions and time, Will the tooth should fall out before the jaw detaches to the skull?

I heard Dr. Baden say that it's difficult for the jaw to become seperated so that the lower half is disjointed from the upper. It made me wonder if the separation was from an injury sustained at the time of death. Stephany's and Joran's encounter came to mind.

CBB - I have had the same horrible thought.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Rob on November 21, 2010, 09:12:53 PM
I should add - since Beth's DNA is on hand from the test on June 12th 2005, a mitochondrial DNA test would confirm it is Natalee rather quickly.

In the event there is no mitochondrial DNA comparison - replication is essential. This would be used to compare to a tooth brush or hair brush - or even clothing with Touch DNA comparison using skin cells.

Mitochondrial DNA is passed from every mother to every child.

So, once again, it is known through mitochondrial DNA, dental overlay using electronic records of the jaw bone, and any cast Dave sent to Holland. I am sure the results are known by now.

Thanks Rob for your fine explanation.

Think you are saying that in Natalee's case, they already have the DNA replication, and it is only a matter of comparing that with the results of the DNA found in the tooth?

Isn't it amazing that DNA can remain in a tooth for so many years. 



see, that's why they would do a replication technique. Just one tooth. It's not like they have a jaw full of teeth to test over and over.

Replication takes time - you need the sample from the tooth and then the time it takes to produce more DNA -

In nature - the DNA "unzips" it's Helix and then is joined by new DNA called Polymerase III. These are encoded with the leading strand to the lagging strand.

This all then happens with RNA Pimase and Primer. In a lab this process is recreated. This is how replication occurs. That sample is then tested against the control sample, the tooth root DNA and any samples from Beth and previously from Natalee's clothes, hair brush, tooth brush, blood samples.. etc..

it takes some time to accomplish this, but it would be done as a last step as a final confirmation after mitochondrial DNA, denatl over-lays and cast comparisons. It would be a final 100% confirmation.

Any of those initial processes would lead the investigation to conclude it is Natalee or not, but in the event it is - and those first steps are confirmed - the final tests would be DNA to the (possible) 600th letter. That would be proof without a doubt. A 1 quadrillion % lock.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: cecilita on November 21, 2010, 09:15:46 PM
Good night Monkeys,
I have a question regarding the jaw found in Aruba. I know that it is a tooth attached to the jaw  but my questions is:....why the jay is detaches with the skull? with weather conditions and time, Will the tooth should fall out before the jaw detaches to the skull?

I heard Dr. Baden say that it's difficult for the jaw to become seperated so that the lower half is disjointed from the upper. It made me wonder if the separation was from an injury sustained at the time of death. Stephany's and Joran's encounter came to mind.

CBB - I have had the same horrible thought.
...or the separation was after her dead. If her skull was severe damaged maybe the aruban authorities separated the jaw from the skull to cover any kind of bad injury in her crane. In Stephany case we know that he used his elbow to hurt Stephany on her nose, maybe her upper jaw was detroyed.... Soon we will know the truth....


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Rob on November 21, 2010, 09:17:06 PM
I should add - since Beth's DNA is on hand from the test on June 12th 2005, a mitochondrial DNA test would confirm it is Natalee rather quickly.

In the event there is no mitochondrial DNA comparison - replication is essential. This would be used to compare to a tooth brush or hair brush - or even clothing with Touch DNA comparison using skin cells.

Mitochondrial DNA is passed from every mother to every child.

So, once again, it is known through mitochondrial DNA, dental overlay using electronic records of the jaw bone, and any cast Dave sent to Holland. I am sure the results are known by now.

Thanks Rob for your fine explanation.

Think you are saying that in Natalee's case, they already have the DNA replication, and it is only a matter of comparing that with the results of the DNA found in the tooth?

Isn't it amazing that DNA can remain in a tooth for so many years. 



to add.  Thus, since they are testing against Beth's DNA - and I expect the family made sure they got samples of Natalee's DNA in '05 as well, the problem of using up all the DNA in the tooth, would not be an issue here?

can -  we don't know for a fact that they are testing against Beth's 05 sample. I just made the point that it's on file. It would be a natural starting point since it's in a computer data base somewhere.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on November 21, 2010, 09:19:21 PM
At airport waiting to board.

If they know the results and it's not Natalee but they are waiting to give the results HOW CRUEL IS THAT?

Too cruel, Taco Stein did say that the family would be notified first so I do have a sliver of hope that if it's not her...they have been notified.

But it's a itsy bitsy tee niny tiny sliver...

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Yes he did but which family?  Anita and K2 so they can get out of dodge and cover?  Would not put it past Aruba to protect their own .


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: AZSunny on November 21, 2010, 09:21:18 PM
At airport waiting to board.

If they know the results and it's not Natalee but they are waiting to give the results HOW CRUEL IS THAT?

Too cruel, Taco Stein did say that the family would be notified first so I do have a sliver of hope that if it's not her...they have been notified.

But it's a itsy bitsy tee niny tiny sliver...

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Yes he did but which family?  Anita and K2 so they can get out of dodge and cover?  Would not put it past Aruba to protect their own .

Right, and really how would Taco Stein have any idea what is going on...he is long removed.  Total airhead...he is just speculating.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: carpe noctem on November 21, 2010, 09:21:49 PM
O/T

Glenda is parsing words again.  There is a well known anthropologist residing in Aruba. He probably made the initial identification.

Luc Alofs, anthropologist, curator of the Historical Museum Aruba

http://www.petergreenberg.com/2009/08/22/ask-the-locals-island-guide-aruba/

http://www.rnw.nl/caribiana/article/arubaanse-verkiezingen-platteland-versus-de-stad?quicktabs_1=1

(http://cdn.radionetherlands.nl/data/files/imagecache/must_carry/images/lead/luc%20en%20lydia%20002.JPG)



Well, bless his heart! Now... I know that ol' boy can whistle like the dickens. ::MonkeyWhistle::   We need to hook him up with Oksana.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: can on November 21, 2010, 09:27:16 PM
I should add - since Beth's DNA is on hand from the test on June 12th 2005, a mitochondrial DNA test would confirm it is Natalee rather quickly.

In the event there is no mitochondrial DNA comparison - replication is essential. This would be used to compare to a tooth brush or hair brush - or even clothing with Touch DNA comparison using skin cells.

Mitochondrial DNA is passed from every mother to every child.

So, once again, it is known through mitochondrial DNA, dental overlay using electronic records of the jaw bone, and any cast Dave sent to Holland. I am sure the results are known by now.

Thanks Rob for your fine explanation.

Think you are saying that in Natalee's case, they already have the DNA replication, and it is only a matter of comparing that with the results of the DNA found in the tooth?

Isn't it amazing that DNA can remain in a tooth for so many years. 



see, that's why they would do a replication technique. Just one tooth. It's not like they have a jaw full of teeth to test over and over.

Replication takes time - you need the sample from the tooth and then the time it takes to produce more DNA -

In nature - the DNA "unzips" it's Helix and then is joined by new DNA called Polymerase III. These are encoded with the leading strand to the lagging strand.

This all then happens with RNA Pimase and Primer. In a lab this process is recreated. This is how replication occurs. That sample is then tested against the control sample, the tooth root DNA and any samples from Beth and previously from Natalee's clothes, hair brush, tooth brush, blood samples.. etc..

it takes some time to accomplish this, but it would be done as a last step as a final confirmation after mitochondrial DNA, denatl over-lays and cast comparisons. It would be a final 100% confirmation.

Any of those initial processes would lead the investigation to conclude it is Natalee or not, but in the event it is - and those first steps are confirmed - the final tests would be DNA to the (possible) 600th letter. That would be proof without a doubt. A 1 quadrillion % lock.

Gotcha thank you!
They know if Natalee is the bearer of the mandible by the first steps you mentioned. 

Next step - replication.

They have the control DNA and if it matches tooth DNA (replication) - it's proof positive and would stand in any court room.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Rob on November 21, 2010, 09:32:15 PM
I should add - since Beth's DNA is on hand from the test on June 12th 2005, a mitochondrial DNA test would confirm it is Natalee rather quickly.

In the event there is no mitochondrial DNA comparison - replication is essential. This would be used to compare to a tooth brush or hair brush - or even clothing with Touch DNA comparison using skin cells.

Mitochondrial DNA is passed from every mother to every child.

So, once again, it is known through mitochondrial DNA, dental overlay using electronic records of the jaw bone, and any cast Dave sent to Holland. I am sure the results are known by now.

Thanks Rob for your fine explanation.

Think you are saying that in Natalee's case, they already have the DNA replication, and it is only a matter of comparing that with the results of the DNA found in the tooth?

Isn't it amazing that DNA can remain in a tooth for so many years. 



see, that's why they would do a replication technique. Just one tooth. It's not like they have a jaw full of teeth to test over and over.

Replication takes time - you need the sample from the tooth and then the time it takes to produce more DNA -

In nature - the DNA "unzips" it's Helix and then is joined by new DNA called Polymerase III. These are encoded with the leading strand to the lagging strand.

This all then happens with RNA Pimase and Primer. In a lab this process is recreated. This is how replication occurs. That sample is then tested against the control sample, the tooth root DNA and any samples from Beth and previously from Natalee's clothes, hair brush, tooth brush, blood samples.. etc..

it takes some time to accomplish this, but it would be done as a last step as a final confirmation after mitochondrial DNA, denatl over-lays and cast comparisons. It would be a final 100% confirmation.

Any of those initial processes would lead the investigation to conclude it is Natalee or not, but in the event it is - and those first steps are confirmed - the final tests would be DNA to the (possible) 600th letter. That would be proof without a doubt. A 1 quadrillion % lock.

Gotcha thank you!
They know if Natalee is the bearer of the mandible by the first steps you mentioned. 

Next step - replication.

They have the control DNA and if it matches tooth DNA (replication) - it's proof positive and would stand in any court room.

confirm her death - but maybe not manner. Doubtful a mandible alone would confirm the cause of death, absent a gunshot wound.

So, just to recap - if the DNA is a match - it would be the first step - Natalee is deceased. The next step would be the Aruban prosecutor would be tasked to prove manner and cause - and we all know how willing they are to cross that bridge.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: can on November 21, 2010, 09:32:47 PM
I should add - since Beth's DNA is on hand from the test on June 12th 2005, a mitochondrial DNA test would confirm it is Natalee rather quickly.

In the event there is no mitochondrial DNA comparison - replication is essential. This would be used to compare to a tooth brush or hair brush - or even clothing with Touch DNA comparison using skin cells.

Mitochondrial DNA is passed from every mother to every child.

So, once again, it is known through mitochondrial DNA, dental overlay using electronic records of the jaw bone, and any cast Dave sent to Holland. I am sure the results are known by now.

Thanks Rob for your fine explanation.

Think you are saying that in Natalee's case, they already have the DNA replication, and it is only a matter of comparing that with the results of the DNA found in the tooth?

Isn't it amazing that DNA can remain in a tooth for so many years. 



to add.  Thus, since they are testing against Beth's DNA - and I expect the family made sure they got samples of Natalee's DNA in '05 as well, the problem of using up all the DNA in the tooth, would not be an issue here?

can -  we don't know for a fact that they are testing against Beth's 05 sample. I just made the point that it's on file. It would be a natural starting point since it's in a computer data base somewhere.

Right.  Sorry Rob - thanks for your patience. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 21, 2010, 09:33:51 PM
O/T

Glenda is parsing words again.  There is a well known anthropologist residing in Aruba. He probably made the initial identification.

Luc Alofs, anthropologist, curator of the Historical Museum Aruba

http://www.petergreenberg.com/2009/08/22/ask-the-locals-island-guide-aruba/

http://www.rnw.nl/caribiana/article/arubaanse-verkiezingen-platteland-versus-de-stad?quicktabs_1=1

(http://cdn.radionetherlands.nl/data/files/imagecache/must_carry/images/lead/luc%20en%20lydia%20002.JPG)



Well, bless his heart! Now... I know that ol' boy can whistle like the dickens. ::MonkeyWhistle::   We need to hook him up with Oksana.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: can on November 21, 2010, 09:36:58 PM
I should add - since Beth's DNA is on hand from the test on June 12th 2005, a mitochondrial DNA test would confirm it is Natalee rather quickly.

In the event there is no mitochondrial DNA comparison - replication is essential. This would be used to compare to a tooth brush or hair brush - or even clothing with Touch DNA comparison using skin cells.

Mitochondrial DNA is passed from every mother to every child.

So, once again, it is known through mitochondrial DNA, dental overlay using electronic records of the jaw bone, and any cast Dave sent to Holland. I am sure the results are known by now.

Thanks Rob for your fine explanation.

Think you are saying that in Natalee's case, they already have the DNA replication, and it is only a matter of comparing that with the results of the DNA found in the tooth?

Isn't it amazing that DNA can remain in a tooth for so many years. 



see, that's why they would do a replication technique. Just one tooth. It's not like they have a jaw full of teeth to test over and over.

Replication takes time - you need the sample from the tooth and then the time it takes to produce more DNA -

In nature - the DNA "unzips" it's Helix and then is joined by new DNA called Polymerase III. These are encoded with the leading strand to the lagging strand.

This all then happens with RNA Pimase and Primer. In a lab this process is recreated. This is how replication occurs. That sample is then tested against the control sample, the tooth root DNA and any samples from Beth and previously from Natalee's clothes, hair brush, tooth brush, blood samples.. etc..

it takes some time to accomplish this, but it would be done as a last step as a final confirmation after mitochondrial DNA, denatl over-lays and cast comparisons. It would be a final 100% confirmation.

Any of those initial processes would lead the investigation to conclude it is Natalee or not, but in the event it is - and those first steps are confirmed - the final tests would be DNA to the (possible) 600th letter. That would be proof without a doubt. A 1 quadrillion % lock.

Gotcha thank you!
They know if Natalee is the bearer of the mandible by the first steps you mentioned. 

Next step - replication.

They have the control DNA and if it matches tooth DNA (replication) - it's proof positive and would stand in any court room.

confirm her death - but maybe not manner. Doubtful a mandible alone would confirm the cause of death, absent a gunshot wound.

So, just to recap - if the DNA is a match - it would be the first step - Natalee is deceased. The next step would be the Aruban prosecutor would be tasked to prove manner and cause - and we all know how willing they are to cross that bridge.

Wow, I don't explain myself very well.  I meant it wouldn't be able to be refuted in a courtroom.  Proof, that is, that Natalee is deceased. 



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on November 21, 2010, 09:40:48 PM
Here is a somewhat interesting thread about the jawbone found near the Phoenix, including a question from a tourist about whether the beach was closed and indignation that nothing was being done and also a post from someone who just returned from there, who described the abundance of things that came ashore and the use of 'heavy equipment' to remove it.    ::MonkeyShocked::

http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=81560

I found this comment interesting.  Is the spin doctoring beginning?

arubamikey  Post subject: Re: Jaw bone found at the PhoenixPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 2:36 pm
 
It could be from the newlywed who went on a kayak with her husband in the early 1990's while on their honeymoon, and neither was ever seen again.



Yeah, I had similar thoughts...will have to do some digging on that.   ::MonkeyWink::

Not found anything in regards to a newlywed kayaking couple yet.  Did find this couple though from 2005:

<snipped>
Kendall Carver has formed the group International Cruise Victims together with others who have lost loved ones on a cruise. One of them is Son Michael Pham, the son of Hue Pham and Hue Tran.

In May 2005 they took a cruise with “Carnival Destiny” which sailed between Barbados and Aruba in the Caribbean.
Not much is known about the disappearance on “Destiny” on May 12th.

The search on board yielded no result, and no traces of them have ever been found. Did they commit suicide? Hardly. Both were in good heath, and they were looking forward to a long-planned cruise back to Vietnam to see their relatives again. They were two American citizens at the happiest time in their lives, but they disappeared without a trace or any witness, declares Son Michael Pham.

http://www.internationalcruisevictims.org/Articles/Disappeared_Without_A_Trace_On_A_Cruise_Ship.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: can on November 21, 2010, 09:42:02 PM
At airport waiting to board.

If they know the results and it's not Natalee but they are waiting to give the results HOW CRUEL IS THAT?

Too cruel, Taco Stein did say that the family would be notified first so I do have a sliver of hope that if it's not her...they have been notified.

But it's a itsy bitsy tee niny tiny sliver...

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Yes he did but which family?  Anita and K2 so they can get out of dodge and cover?  Would not put it past Aruba to protect their own .

I wouldn't be surprised if Renfro finds out before the foreign press and
passes the news to Anita who will rush to the phone and call Joran.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on November 21, 2010, 09:45:24 PM
Single male Kayaker from 2003 off waters of Curacao but Aruba Sea and Rescue was looking for him.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=MDMfAAAAIBAJ&sjid=HdAEAAAAIBAJ&pg=3372,5062578&dq=kayak+aruba+missing&hl=en


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 21, 2010, 09:46:12 PM
O/T

Glenda is parsing words again.  There is a well known anthropologist residing in Aruba. He probably made the initial identification.

Luc Alofs, anthropologist, curator of the Historical Museum Aruba

http://www.petergreenberg.com/2009/08/22/ask-the-locals-island-guide-aruba/

http://www.rnw.nl/caribiana/article/arubaanse-verkiezingen-platteland-versus-de-stad?quicktabs_1=1

(http://cdn.radionetherlands.nl/data/files/imagecache/must_carry/images/lead/luc%20en%20lydia%20002.JPG)



Well, bless his heart! Now... I know that ol' boy can whistle like the dickens. ::MonkeyWhistle::   We need to hook him up with Oksana.

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: can on November 21, 2010, 09:47:47 PM
Good night Monkeys,
I have a question regarding the jaw found in Aruba. I know that it is a tooth attached to the jaw  but my questions is:....why the jay is detaches with the skull? with weather conditions and time, Will the tooth should fall out before the jaw detaches to the skull?

I heard Dr. Baden say that it's difficult for the jaw to become seperated so that the lower half is disjointed from the upper. It made me wonder if the separation was from an injury sustained at the time of death. Stephany's and Joran's encounter came to mind.

CBB - I have had the same horrible thought.
...or the separation was after her dead. If her skull was severe damaged maybe the aruban authorities separated the jaw from the skull to cover any kind of bad injury in her crane. In Stephany case we know that he used his elbow to hurt Stephany on her nose, maybe her upper jaw was detroyed.... Soon we will know the truth....

Stefany and Natalee might very well have sustained similar injuries from the brute, I agree.





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: can on November 21, 2010, 09:53:36 PM

Goodnight Monkeys.

Hopefully we'll have more answers tomorrow.

Justice for Natalee and Stefany!
 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: carpe noctem on November 21, 2010, 09:55:25 PM
I wish these guys would get on with it... got my toes tapping, over here.

I can understand wanting to get everything 100% correct... but I sure can't
accept it taking 1 second longer than needed. That would be cruel... and cruel
gets me angry.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on November 21, 2010, 09:56:55 PM

Goodnight Monkeys.

Hopefully we'll have more answers tomorrow.

Justice for Natalee and Stefany!
 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

Goodnight can, pleasant dreams.   (http://bestsmileys.com/sleeping/11.gif) Maybe there will be some news tomorrow. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Serenity on November 21, 2010, 09:57:09 PM
Somewhere I remember the rumor of Joran using an aluminum bat ????


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 21, 2010, 10:02:32 PM

Goodnight Monkeys.

Hopefully we'll have more answers tomorrow.

Justice for Natalee and Stefany!
 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

Goodnight can!!

Carpe, according to reports I've seen on CNN and Fox, we're in the cruel zone. Both networks have had scientists/forensic Physicians on that stated they know the identity by now.

Geraldo is on and will be covering the case.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 21, 2010, 10:04:08 PM
Somewhere I remember the rumor of Joran using an aluminum bat ????

Diario … “THEY WENT INTO PANIC WHEN NATALEE REMAINED PASSED OUT”
Posted December 6, 2006 by Scared Monkeys

Comments


66.  viet vet on December 6th, 2006 8:11 pm

Speaking of off the record comments, we were told were to find Joran at the International School on a Friday , June 2 or 3, have it in my notes. Was also told Joran hit Natalee with an aluminum baseball bat…in the head. The same man told me both stories and guess what, Joran was at the International School that day, hiding. He was sleeping over there rather than home,,, scared he was. The fine Aruba Police followed us to the school that day or maybe we would already have solved this case. Yeah Karin, a bounch of cowboys…

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/12/06/diario-they-went-into-panic-when-natalee-remained-passed-out/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 21, 2010, 10:06:39 PM
Jawbone belongs to a young female’
19 Nov, 2010, 13:25 (GMT -04:00)


ORANJESTAD — The partial jawbone found by American tourists on the beach near the Phoenix Hotel last week Friday, belongs to a young female. At any rate, that’s what American media are saying, who base this on comments from field officer Peter Blanken. He is currently in the Netherlands and was not available for comment this morning.

Meanwhile, the Public Prosecutor (OM) here does not wish to comment on the case and says one will wait for the result from the Dutch Forensic Institute (NFI). Whether Blanken had indeed told the American media that it regarded a jawbone of a young female, solicitor general Taco Stein could not ‘confirm or deny’ this morning. “As I have not spoken to him yet, I do not know what he did or did not say. Our viewpoint remains that we wait for the result from NFI,” Stein said before the Amigoe.

It is unknown yet when the research from the Forensic Institute will be completed. However, the solicitor general does know that no result will be available today anyhow. “We will probably know more next week.” Stein says that based on the result, the OM will ‘consider’ what will be made known to the media and that any relatives will be informed first. “You can imagine the Holloway-family is having a hard time now.” Stein did not wish to anticipate of which consequences a positive identification could have for the investigation into the case surrounding Natalee Holloway. Nevertheless, he says one has meanwhile searched the location where the jawbone had washed ashore. This investigation had not yielded anything, according to Stein.

For that matter, it is still not certain whether one could remove sufficient DNA from the jawbone for positive identification. “We will have to wait what the experts say, but the bone had been in the seawater for a long time.” The DNA material from the jawbone will be compared with the DNA profiles from Natalee’s parents. Dental data from Natalee is supposedly sent from the United States to the Netherlands for comparison as well. The American teenager disappeared without a trace in 2005 after spending an evening out at Carlos and Charlies. Joran van der Sloot was the last person she was seen with. Joran is meanwhile on remand in the Castro Castro prison in Peru. He is suspected of murdering the Peruvian student Stephany Flores last May.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_81262.php


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 21, 2010, 10:08:26 PM
Somewhere I remember the rumor of Joran using an aluminum bat ????

I can't remember where that came from, but yes, I've heard that rumour too. There are several things that support the theory that Natalee died violently. Among them are:

The police car recording: "If they find her they'll see that shit."
The repeated statements by JK2 that Natalee fell and hit her head.
The glimpse of Joran's MO we got when he killed Stephany.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: cajun miracle on November 21, 2010, 10:09:28 PM
Geraldo will cover Natalee's case in a few minutes.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: carpe noctem on November 21, 2010, 10:09:39 PM

Goodnight Monkeys.

Hopefully we'll have more answers tomorrow.

Justice for Natalee and Stefany!
 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

Goodnight can!!

Carpe, according to reports I've seen on CNN and Fox, we're in the cruel zone. Both networks have had scientists/forensic Physicians on that stated they know the identity by now.

Geraldo is on and will be covering the case.

Thanks for the report, CBB.  ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 21, 2010, 10:09:56 PM
Should have added the part in the Police car recording where there is talk of hitting a girl/Natalee with a car.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 21, 2010, 10:17:25 PM
Single male Kayaker from 2003 off waters of Curacao but Aruba Sea and Rescue was looking for him.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=MDMfAAAAIBAJ&sjid=HdAEAAAAIBAJ&pg=3372,5062578&dq=kayak+aruba+missing&hl=en

Thanks, Northern Rose.  You got farther than I did. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 21, 2010, 10:19:22 PM
Geraldo: "The silence from Holland is deafening. They almost certainly know whether the jawbone belongs to Natalee."


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 21, 2010, 10:19:49 PM
Geraldo: "The silence from Holland is deafening. They almost certainly know whether the jawbone belongs to Natalee."
::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 21, 2010, 10:20:37 PM
Somewhere I remember the rumor of Joran using an aluminum bat ????

I can't remember where that came from, but yes, I've heard that rumour too. There are several things that support the theory that Natalee died violently. Among them are:

The police car recording: "If they find her they'll see that shit."
The repeated statements by JK2 that Natalee fell and hit her head.
The glimpse of Joran's MO we got when he killed Stephany.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


I think the aluminum bat came from Viet Vet, Jug's friend.  They heard that at the
International School.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 21, 2010, 10:22:08 PM
Somewhere I remember the rumor of Joran using an aluminum bat ????

I can't remember where that came from, but yes, I've heard that rumour too. There are several things that support the theory that Natalee died violently. Among them are:

The police car recording: "If they find her they'll see that shit."
The repeated statements by JK2 that Natalee fell and hit her head.
The glimpse of Joran's MO we got when he killed Stephany.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


I think the aluminum bat came from Viet Vet, Jug's friend.  They heard that at the
International School.

AH! That rings a bell! Magnolia, thank you!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 21, 2010, 10:23:47 PM
I think Geraldo said Dr. Baden will be coming up........... I hope so!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 21, 2010, 10:25:24 PM
I think Geraldo said Dr. Baden will be coming up........... I hope so!

He's on now!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 21, 2010, 10:25:54 PM
Dr. Baden: "Dental Records are like a fingerprint. Certainly Holland knows. Dental X-Rays make immediate identification possible."


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 21, 2010, 10:26:11 PM
Somewhere I remember the rumor of Joran using an aluminum bat ????

Diario … “THEY WENT INTO PANIC WHEN NATALEE REMAINED PASSED OUT”
Posted December 6, 2006 by Scared Monkeys

Comments


66.  viet vet on December 6th, 2006 8:11 pm

Speaking of off the record comments, we were told were to find Joran at the International School on a Friday , June 2 or 3, have it in my notes. Was also told Joran hit Natalee with an aluminum baseball bat…in the head. The same man told me both stories and guess what, Joran was at the International School that day, hiding. He was sleeping over there rather than home,,, scared he was. The fine Aruba Police followed us to the school that day or maybe we would already have solved this case. Yeah Karin, a bounch of cowboys…

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/12/06/diario-they-went-into-panic-when-natalee-remained-passed-out/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 21, 2010, 10:26:21 PM
Somewhere I remember the rumor of Joran using an aluminum bat ????

Diario … “THEY WENT INTO PANIC WHEN NATALEE REMAINED PASSED OUT”
Posted December 6, 2006 by Scared Monkeys

Comments


66.  viet vet on December 6th, 2006 8:11 pm

Speaking of off the record comments, we were told were to find Joran at the International School on a Friday , June 2 or 3, have it in my notes. Was also told Joran hit Natalee with an aluminum baseball bat…in the head. The same man told me both stories and guess what, Joran was at the International School that day, hiding. He was sleeping over there rather than home,,, scared he was. The fine Aruba Police followed us to the school that day or maybe we would already have solved this case. Yeah Karin, a bounch of cowboys…

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/12/06/diario-they-went-into-panic-when-natalee-remained-passed-out/

BUMPED


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 21, 2010, 10:28:01 PM
Thanks 2NJ

I thought my post was invisible.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on November 21, 2010, 10:28:26 PM
Single male Kayaker from 2003 off waters of Curacao but Aruba Sea and Rescue was looking for him.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=MDMfAAAAIBAJ&sjid=HdAEAAAAIBAJ&pg=3372,5062578&dq=kayak+aruba+missing&hl=en

Thanks, Northern Rose.  You got farther than I did. 

Still looking.  Also found four missing aboard a ketch missing between  St. Croix to Aruba in 1973

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=2McIAAAAIBAJ&sjid=yUQDAAAAIBAJ&pg=4637,293226&dq=aruba+missing+-natalee&hl=en


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 21, 2010, 10:28:42 PM
Janet, I beat you by a few.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 21, 2010, 10:31:57 PM
Thanks 2NJ

I thought my post was invisible.

Janet

Thanks Janet! I'm amazed by the collective information and knowledge of detail on this thread! I always thought that if Joran could be tried for Natalee's murder, the prosecutor would benefit by an SM membership and laptop in the courtroom!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 21, 2010, 10:37:10 PM
If Joran van der Sloot was found guilty of murder in an Aruba court  ... would Natalee Holloway's parents have a foundation for a civil suit against the management of the Excelsior Casino and Carlos and Charlies.

As John Kelly as stated ... if an underage Joran had not been at either establishment on the evening of May 29, 2009 ... the chain of events that led to the demise of Natalee would not have begun.

Janet

++++++ 

Aruba Frequently Asked Questions

What is the legal drinking/gambling age?

The legal age for both drinking and gambling is 18 years. It is not, however, widely enforced. You will not usually be “carded”.

http://www.aruba-travelguide.com/faq/index.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 21, 2010, 10:40:19 PM
Janet, I beat you by a few.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

If Brandi ... our 16 year old Golden Retriever ... was not bumping my arm wanting attention ...

We have been out for the day.  You would think by her reaction to our return ... we had been away for a month.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: wreck on November 21, 2010, 10:40:37 PM
If Joran van der Sloot was found guilty of murder in an Aruba court  ... would Natalee Holloway's parents have a foundation for a civil suit against the management of the Excelsior Casino and Carlos and Charlies.

As John Kelly as stated ... if an underage Joran had not been at either establishment on the evening of May 29, 2009 ... the chain of events that led to the demise of Natalee would not have begun.

Janet

++++++ 

Aruba Frequently Asked Questions

What is the legal drinking/gambling age?

The legal age for both drinking and gambling is 18 years. It is not, however, widely enforced. You will not usually be “carded”.

http://www.aruba-travelguide.com/faq/index.html

In the United States , yes -- in Aruba  -- NO.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: antunym on November 21, 2010, 10:41:30 PM
Somewhere I remember the rumor of Joran using an aluminum bat ????

Diario … “THEY WENT INTO PANIC WHEN NATALEE REMAINED PASSED OUT”
Posted December 6, 2006 by Scared Monkeys

Comments


66.  viet vet on December 6th, 2006 8:11 pm

Speaking of off the record comments, we were told were to find Joran at the International School on a Friday , June 2 or 3, have it in my notes. Was also told Joran hit Natalee with an aluminum baseball bat…in the head. The same man told me both stories and guess what, Joran was at the International School that day, hiding. He was sleeping over there rather than home,,, scared he was. The fine Aruba Police followed us to the school that day or maybe we would already have solved this case. Yeah Karin, a bounch of cowboys…

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/12/06/diario-they-went-into-panic-when-natalee-remained-passed-out/

Wasn't there something said by Jorans brother about Natalee getting hit with a bat also?  And something about a bath tub???


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 21, 2010, 10:42:33 PM
If Joran van der Sloot was found guilty of murder in an Aruba court  ... would Natalee Holloway's parents have a foundation for a civil suit against the management of the Excelsior Casino and Carlos and Charlies.

As John Kelly as stated ... if an underage Joran had not been at either establishment on the evening of May 29, 2009 ... the chain of events that led to the demise of Natalee would not have begun.

Janet

++++++ 

Aruba Frequently Asked Questions

What is the legal drinking/gambling age?

The legal age for both drinking and gambling is 18 years. It is not, however, widely enforced. You will not usually be “carded”.

http://www.aruba-travelguide.com/faq/index.html

In the United States , yes -- in Aruba  -- NO.

Thanks Wreck.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: wreck on November 21, 2010, 10:46:50 PM
If Joran van der Sloot was found guilty of murder in an Aruba court  ... would Natalee Holloway's parents have a foundation for a civil suit against the management of the Excelsior Casino and Carlos and Charlies.

As John Kelly as stated ... if an underage Joran had not been at either establishment on the evening of May 29, 2009 ... the chain of events that led to the demise of Natalee would not have begun.

Janet

++++++ 

Aruba Frequently Asked Questions

What is the legal drinking/gambling age?

The legal age for both drinking and gambling is 18 years. It is not, however, widely enforced. You will not usually be “carded”.

http://www.aruba-travelguide.com/faq/index.html

In the United States , yes -- in Aruba  -- NO.

Thanks Wreck.

Janet
Throw out all common sense and decency when it comes to Aruba. There will never be any "justice" from Aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: carpe noctem on November 21, 2010, 10:53:05 PM
Long time no see, wreck! You're looking good, pal. Your eyes are a little red... but that hat is sweeeeeeet!!! ::CowboySmiley:: Happy Holidays, friend.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 21, 2010, 10:57:38 PM
Maybe the answer we have all been waiting for will be forthcoming tomorrow.

Prayers for the family of Natalee Holloway.

Good Night All.

Janet
8:00 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on November 21, 2010, 11:07:44 PM
Maybe the answer we have all been waiting for will be forthcoming tomorrow.

Prayers for the family of Natalee Holloway.

Good Night All.

Janet
8:00 PM PT

Good night Janet (http://bestsmileys.com/sleeping/2.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 21, 2010, 11:14:25 PM
From RU

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renfro/11212010_RU.jpg)
 ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 21, 2010, 11:18:55 PM
From RU

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renfro/11212010_RU.jpg)
 ::monkeywine2::


That would be the time to haul out the heavy machinery.   ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: wreck on November 21, 2010, 11:20:23 PM
Long time no see, wreck! You're looking good, pal. Your eyes are a little red... but that hat is sweeeeeeet!!! ::CowboySmiley:: Happy Holidays, friend.
::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 21, 2010, 11:20:47 PM
Somewhere I remember the rumor of Joran using an aluminum bat ????

Diario … “THEY WENT INTO PANIC WHEN NATALEE REMAINED PASSED OUT”
Posted December 6, 2006 by Scared Monkeys

Comments


66.  viet vet on December 6th, 2006 8:11 pm

Speaking of off the record comments, we were told were to find Joran at the International School on a Friday , June 2 or 3, have it in my notes. Was also told Joran hit Natalee with an aluminum baseball bat…in the head. The same man told me both stories and guess what, Joran was at the International School that day, hiding. He was sleeping over there rather than home,,, scared he was. The fine Aruba Police followed us to the school that day or maybe we would already have solved this case. Yeah Karin, a bounch of cowboys…

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/12/06/diario-they-went-into-panic-when-natalee-remained-passed-out/

Wasn't there something said by Jorans brother about Natalee getting hit with a bat also?  And something about a bath tub???

Yes....I just don't have a reference to give you.  Maybe someone who does will respond, antunym.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 21, 2010, 11:22:29 PM
From RU

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renfro/11212010_RU.jpg)
 ::monkeywine2::


That would be the time to haul out the heavy machinery.   ::monkeywine2::
::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: antunym on November 21, 2010, 11:24:48 PM
Somewhere I remember the rumor of Joran using an aluminum bat ????

Diario … “THEY WENT INTO PANIC WHEN NATALEE REMAINED PASSED OUT”
Posted December 6, 2006 by Scared Monkeys

Comments


66.  viet vet on December 6th, 2006 8:11 pm

Speaking of off the record comments, we were told were to find Joran at the International School on a Friday , June 2 or 3, have it in my notes. Was also told Joran hit Natalee with an aluminum baseball bat…in the head. The same man told me both stories and guess what, Joran was at the International School that day, hiding. He was sleeping over there rather than home,,, scared he was. The fine Aruba Police followed us to the school that day or maybe we would already have solved this case. Yeah Karin, a bounch of cowboys…

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/12/06/diario-they-went-into-panic-when-natalee-remained-passed-out/

Wasn't there something said by Jorans brother about Natalee getting hit with a bat also?  And something about a bath tub???

Yes....I just don't have a reference to give you.  Maybe someone who does will respond, antunym.

Thank you... sometimes i feel like I'm talking to myself lol. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: San on November 21, 2010, 11:24:52 PM
From RU

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renfro/11212010_RU.jpg)
 ::monkeywine2::


 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: nonesuche on November 21, 2010, 11:39:31 PM
From RU

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renfro/11212010_RU.jpg)
 ::monkeywine2::


 ::MonkeyHaHa::

oh the ho is back in town I see...........wonder if she realizes her awful skin looks like some trash blew bye and stuck on it?

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on November 21, 2010, 11:40:17 PM
Huricane tomas effect on beaches at Aruba

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XchWtGnMVQw&feature=related


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 21, 2010, 11:42:32 PM
Somewhere I remember the rumor of Joran using an aluminum bat ????

Diario … “THEY WENT INTO PANIC WHEN NATALEE REMAINED PASSED OUT”
Posted December 6, 2006 by Scared Monkeys

Comments


66.  viet vet on December 6th, 2006 8:11 pm

Speaking of off the record comments, we were told were to find Joran at the International School on a Friday , June 2 or 3, have it in my notes. Was also told Joran hit Natalee with an aluminum baseball bat…in the head. The same man told me both stories and guess what, Joran was at the International School that day, hiding. He was sleeping over there rather than home,,, scared he was. The fine Aruba Police followed us to the school that day or maybe we would already have solved this case. Yeah Karin, a bounch of cowboys…

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/12/06/diario-they-went-into-panic-when-natalee-remained-passed-out/

Wasn't there something said by Jorans brother about Natalee getting hit with a bat also?  And something about a bath tub???

Yes....I just don't have a reference to give you.  Maybe someone who does will respond, antunym.

Thank you... sometimes i feel like I'm talking to myself lol. 

We all feel that way sometimes.  Not to worry.

I don't think that there is a reference to quote.  It was posted on Val's or one of his friends
Myspace or facebook and quickly removed.  It was before many knew how to screen capture.
Val was just about 14 at the time and one of his girl friends posed in the tub with what looked
like blood.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 21, 2010, 11:52:44 PM
From RU

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renfro/11212010_RU.jpg)
 ::monkeywine2::


 ::MonkeyShocked::   Oh, THAT is priceless!!!  Z-I-N-G.....   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 22, 2010, 12:00:16 AM
Welcome Back, Klaas!!   ::HelloKitty::

We missed you being able to spend more time with us!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 22, 2010, 12:06:19 AM
Welcome Back, Klaas!!   ::HelloKitty::

We missed you being able to spend more time with us!!

Missed you Klaas!  Hope you had a great time!   

Welcome back!   ::MonkeyCheer3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: antunym on November 22, 2010, 12:15:37 AM
Somewhere I remember the rumor of Joran using an aluminum bat ????

Diario … “THEY WENT INTO PANIC WHEN NATALEE REMAINED PASSED OUT”
Posted December 6, 2006 by Scared Monkeys

Comments


66.  viet vet on December 6th, 2006 8:11 pm

Speaking of off the record comments, we were told were to find Joran at the International School on a Friday , June 2 or 3, have it in my notes. Was also told Joran hit Natalee with an aluminum baseball bat…in the head. The same man told me both stories and guess what, Joran was at the International School that day, hiding. He was sleeping over there rather than home,,, scared he was. The fine Aruba Police followed us to the school that day or maybe we would already have solved this case. Yeah Karin, a bounch of cowboys…

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/12/06/diario-they-went-into-panic-when-natalee-remained-passed-out/

Wasn't there something said by Jorans brother about Natalee getting hit with a bat also?  And something about a bath tub???

Yes....I just don't have a reference to give you.  Maybe someone who does will respond, antunym.

Thank you... sometimes i feel like I'm talking to myself lol. 

We all feel that way sometimes.  Not to worry.

I don't think that there is a reference to quote.  It was posted on Val's or one of his friends
Myspace or facebook and quickly removed.  It was before many knew how to screen capture.
Val was just about 14 at the time and one of his girl friends posed in the tub with what looked
like blood.
Ok thanks Magnolia that is so odd that he would say stuff like that or do that for that matter. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on November 22, 2010, 12:19:23 AM
One happy island and one happy islander  ::rhino::

http://www.einformante.com/Policial/hoben-ta-perde-control-tras-di-stuur-bisti-un-palo-di-kwihi-su-amigo-a-wordo-deteni-pa-hunga-herue/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 12:20:44 AM
Welcome Back, Klaas!!   ::HelloKitty::

We missed you being able to spend more time with us!!

Missed you Klaas!  Hope you had a great time!   

Welcome back!   ::MonkeyCheer3::

Still catching up  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 22, 2010, 12:32:08 AM
Welcome Back, Klaas!!   ::HelloKitty::

We missed you being able to spend more time with us!!

Missed you Klaas!  Hope you had a great time!   

Welcome back!   ::MonkeyCheer3::

Still catching up  ::MonkeyCool::



Did you miss us? ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 22, 2010, 12:32:59 AM
 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 22, 2010, 01:09:35 AM
Replay of Geraldo is on.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 01:10:17 AM
Welcome Back, Klaas!!   ::HelloKitty::

We missed you being able to spend more time with us!!

Missed you Klaas!  Hope you had a great time!   

Welcome back!   ::MonkeyCheer3::

Still catching up  ::MonkeyCool::



Did you miss us? ::MonkeyTongue::
I was following alot of the time from my blackberry.  We were driving all over the place so I could check while driving.  I hate posting from my BB though  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 01:11:08 AM
Replay of Geraldo is on.

Believe it or not I actually saw Geraldo tonight on the plane. Nothing new.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 01:14:20 AM
Totally O/T

The airport in Denver did have the new scanners and were doing the new pat down procedures.  We had gotten to the airport early and we able to actually observe what was going on from the level above.  I did see some people go through the scanners (it's only about 30 seconds) and saw some people getting the pat downs.  Nobody seemed upset.  It was no big deal.

When I went through security, they didn't ask me to go in the new scanner and didn't offer a grope.  It was actually faster than usual.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 22, 2010, 01:24:41 AM
Welcome Back, Klaas!!   ::HelloKitty::

We missed you being able to spend more time with us!!

Missed you Klaas!  Hope you had a great time!   

Welcome back!   ::MonkeyCheer3::

Still catching up  ::MonkeyCool::



Did you miss us? ::MonkeyTongue::
I was following alot of the time from my blackberry.  We were driving all over the place so I could check while driving.  I hate posting from my BB though  ::MonkeyCool::


Well, we missed you!   ::MonkeyDance::

You look honest, that's why they didn't scan you.  Everytime I have ever been through
customs, they always say....you can just go on through.  It always shocks me a little bit.
I wish I looked more interesting.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 22, 2010, 01:29:12 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/hollowayfamilygall-550x400-12.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 22, 2010, 01:31:26 AM
Replay of Geraldo is on.

Believe it or not I actually saw Geraldo tonight on the plane. Nothing new.

Did you take away from the show that they know already if the jawbone is Natalee's or not?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 22, 2010, 01:33:34 AM
Welcome Back, Klaas!!   ::HelloKitty::

We missed you being able to spend more time with us!!

Missed you Klaas!  Hope you had a great time!   

Welcome back!   ::MonkeyCheer3::

Still catching up  ::MonkeyCool::



Did you miss us? ::MonkeyTongue::
I was following alot of the time from my blackberry.  We were driving all over the place so I could check while driving.  I hate posting from my BB though  ::MonkeyCool::


Well, we missed you!   ::MonkeyDance::

You look honest, that's why they didn't scan you.  Everytime I have ever been through
customs, they always say....you can just go on through.  It always shocks me a little bit.
I wish I looked more interesting.

Wear that hat next time, Magnolia. You'll look very interesting!   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 01:34:56 AM
Replay of Geraldo is on.

Believe it or not I actually saw Geraldo tonight on the plane. Nothing new.

Did you take away from the show that they know already if the jawbone is Natalee's or not?

No, I took away from the show that Dr. Baden believes they MUST know but Geraldo didn't know what the answer was.   Geraldo and Beau Deitle (sp) both suggested it would be good if Joran met his maker in Castro Castro. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 01:38:54 AM
IMO, the Aruban prosecutor KNOWS the answer so why haven't they informed Beth and Dave?  There is no excuse.  Yes or No and then just take the fallout of whatever the answer.  Are they trying to prepare for the media onslaught?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 22, 2010, 01:41:16 AM
If they wait until Thanksgiving to come out with it, I'm getting out the guns, and it won't be to hunt turkeys.

Well, actually, it will be.

 :smt072 :smt071 :smt070 :smt068 :smt067 :smt066


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 01:42:06 AM
Goodnight All!  Maybe tomorrow will be the day!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 22, 2010, 01:43:03 AM
Look at Anita's new fb profile pic.   Yesterday she had a rose.  Today it looks like a cherub's
head in the water's edge.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 22, 2010, 01:45:31 AM
IMO, the Aruban prosecutor KNOWS the answer so why haven't they informed Beth and Dave?  There is no excuse.  Yes or No and then just take the fallout of whatever the answer.  Are they trying to prepare for the media onslaught?

Nothing they can do will change the media interest. Maybe they're working on the answers to anticipated questions, but it's sadistic to hold news from Natalee's parents.

Because they've waited this long, if they give the jawbone a thumbs down, they've hit a new low on the credibility scale.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 22, 2010, 01:46:52 AM
Goodnight All!  Maybe tomorrow will be the day!

From your lips to God's ears, Klaas! Sleep Well and God Bless!! It's great to have you back!  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Jonathan45 on November 22, 2010, 02:15:39 AM
That former judge Wedzinga published yesterday an announcement in which he wrote about a double murder near the Marriott hotel the night Natalee vanished.

www.raadsheer-wedzinga.nl



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: spooky112483 on November 22, 2010, 02:17:59 AM
CBB you're right, it is sadistic at this point. If something isn't released from SOMEONE today then they are playing games.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: IBE on November 22, 2010, 03:06:31 AM
If they release it before Thanksgiving, it would be the talk around all the tables. If they would release the info this coming Friday they might think we'd all be out shopping and not pay that much attention. IMO Aren't we dumb and don't understand their "system" ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: IBE on November 22, 2010, 03:10:51 AM
Am trying to get a Google translation of that NL link but I am on dial up. Maybe it will be finished later today ((smiles))

OK, sorry if this has been covered but I just saw Nancy Grace weekend. The men with Peter... did one of them have a voice-truth detector or whatever they call those things?

What was said in the interview when they cut to him when he was so angry?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: IBE on November 22, 2010, 03:23:02 AM
Darn lost dial up connection. Maybe I still can get a translation.

Either on NG or Geraldo someone was talking about a head injury.

Didn't one of the van der Sloot brothers put online info about a head injury, her in the bathtub and all standing around?

ROBOTS what are you betting the farm on? or better grammar, on what are you betting the farm? It is still the farm!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on November 22, 2010, 04:11:58 AM
Found this in my NH Folder.... Many of us are familiar with most of these papers.

http://www.newspapers24.com/dutch-newspapers/index.html

There you will find some Newspapers in the Netherlands....Place to keep an eye out for when they release info. I expext to read something to the effect that the determination has been made and was handed over to Aruban officials....blah blah blah.....


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: IBE on November 22, 2010, 04:22:53 AM
I think there could have been a sizable cage involved -- or at least a body.

It would be difficult for the accomplices to not know.

In my opinion only.

There was damage reported on the Gottenboes boat a few days after Natalee went missing -- right around the time the G's sold it to the 'Octopus' guy. iirc.
Sharon!! You are freaking me out!
Who is Octopus guy?
PS
I thought you meant Paul Allen of Microsoft who owns Octopus, the biggest yacht in the world. But you are talking about the snorkel boat Octopus. And those guys would know the frequented waters by tourists and where to hide a body in a trap too!!! Makes perfect sense!!!
And it could have been a combo, they knew the location and the other boat delivered the goods. hmmmm.

not the biggest yacht in the world - that's owned by Russian oil magnet Roman Abramovich - who used to own the Ecstasea. Which was off shore when Natalee was murdered.

here it is - the Eclipse.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/16/roman-abramovichs-eclipse_n_540947.html

X ta see (can't remember the spelling) Shango play on words? Does anyone think she might have been sold?

Oh gads, forget I ever said that. Sorry, Good Night.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on November 22, 2010, 07:01:42 AM
Welcome Back, Klaas!! ::HelloKitty:: We missed you being able to spend more time with us!!
Missed you Klaas! Hope you had a great time! Welcome back! ::MonkeyCheer3::
Still catching up ::MonkeyCool::
Did you miss us? ::MonkeyTongue::
I was following alot of the time from my blackberry. We were driving all over the place so I could check while driving. I hate posting from my BB though ::MonkeyCool::
Well, we missed you! ::MonkeyDance:: You look honest, that's why they didn't scan you. E  You look interesting to me!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Blonde on November 22, 2010, 08:04:18 AM
In order to possible preform DNA testing on a single tooth - you first need to remove the tooth from the jaw bone. Then drill the center of the tooth to extract the DNA contained in the pulp of the remaining root.

There is usually a small portion remaining there - even after thousands of years. Teeth are enamel and lest for thousands of years.

However, with a single tooth - DNA replication may be need to CONFIRM a TEST. This is the process of using the nuclear DNA and copying the letter sequence to preform repeated tests to confirm the original results.

It does take some time to replicate the DNA. However, an initial test would confirm if they are on the right track. In a sense, if the initial tests did not reveal a match - that could occur due to cross contamination or simply because it is not a match. That's why repeated tests are completed. In order to do repeated test - you need something to accomplish this feat and you need more DNA - so replication is then used.

If you use the control sample - meaning the DNA directly from the tooth for the initial test - without replication - you risk not having anything to confirm in case of a positive match. So, again, replication is DONE first.
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Jaw%20Bone%20found/tooth_anatomy_vs2.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Blue Moon on November 22, 2010, 08:04:18 AM
Hard to work.  Here's hoping today will be the day.  They do know by now (knew from the get-go) it is Natalee.  Why else has Renho not said a word about it being an animal bone.

Have a good day all.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Blonde on November 22, 2010, 08:06:04 AM
Somewhere I remember the rumor of Joran using an aluminum bat ????

I can't remember where that came from, but yes, I've heard that rumour too. There are several things that support the theory that Natalee died violently. Among them are:

The police car recording: "If they find her they'll see that shit."
The repeated statements by JK2 that Natalee fell and hit her head.
The glimpse of Joran's MO we got when he killed Stephany.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::
viet vet wrote:

Speaking of off the record comments, we were told were to find Joran at the International School on a Friday , June 2 or 3, have it in my notes. Was also told Joran hit Natalee with an aluminum baseball bat…in the head. The same man told me both stories and guess what, Joran was at the International School that day, hiding. He was sleeping over there rather than home,,, scared he was. The fine Aruba Police followed us to the school that day or maybe we would already have solved this case. Yeah Karin, a bounch of cowboys…

Dec 6, 8:11 PM


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Blonde on November 22, 2010, 08:13:10 AM
That former judge Wedzinga published yesterday an announcement in which he wrote about a double murder near the Marriott hotel the night Natalee vanished.

www.raadsheer-wedzinga.nl




I can read Dutch ::MonkeyEek::

Edit:  Add "can't"


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 22, 2010, 08:54:44 AM
Thanks 2NJ

I thought my post was invisible.

Janet

Thanks Janet! I'm amazed by the collective information and knowledge of detail on this thread! I always thought that if Joran could be tried for Natalee's murder, the prosecutor would benefit by an SM membership and laptop in the courtroom!  ::MonkeyWink::
Good Morning Monkeys!  Hope TODAY is THE DAY! ::MonkeyAngel::

You are so right about that CBB – When I was considering the jetty theory I was directed to information in SECONDS! It doesn’t matter if the theory is correct or not, it’s a theory, but I was totally amazed at how well the other monkeys who worked on the information of this case so long ago worked with me and could point me to anything I needed so quickly!  I was provided not only timelines and supporting articles but photos, maps and theory challenge suggestions!  The wealth of information provided and held in the Archives is outstanding!

Lots of Good Monkeying Around Here!

 ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Blonde on November 22, 2010, 08:59:18 AM
That former judge Wedzinga published yesterday an announcement in which he wrote about a double murder near the Marriott hotel the night Natalee vanished.

www.raadsheer-wedzinga.nl




I can read Dutch ::MonkeyEek::


I can't read DUTCH


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: wreck on November 22, 2010, 09:08:22 AM
It's 3pm in the Netherlands. I don't think it's coming today either.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Titch on November 22, 2010, 09:11:44 AM
That former judge Wedzinga published yesterday an announcement in which he wrote about a double murder near the Marriott hotel the night Natalee vanished.

www.raadsheer-wedzinga.nl





I can read Dutch ::MonkeyEek::


I can't read DUTCH

Hey Blonde!

Please bear with me as I'm typing as fast as I can into translate. It appears as though the page is copy protected or something...can't just cut & paste...

Here's the translation for his introductory 1st paragraph:

The double murder at the Marriott Hotel (announcement)

Before the series of reports about the Holloway case "is closed with a piece about the corruption and conflicts of interest that a role played in the derailment of the investigation, I will soon be the final step of reconstruction of the events the night of Sunday, May 29 2001 on Monday, May 30, 2005 published a piece titled: "The double murder at the Marriott Hotel.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on November 22, 2010, 09:11:58 AM
That former judge Wedzinga published yesterday an announcement in which he wrote about a double murder near the Marriott hotel the night Natalee vanished.

www.raadsheer-wedzinga.nl





I can read Dutch ::MonkeyEek::


I can't read DUTCH

I added "can't to your other post, Blonde.  When I first saw your post "I can read Dutch", I thought you meant you could pick out enough in there to get the gist of the story, sort of like how some can almost read pap now   ::MonkeyWink::  and not that you could suddenly now read and understand a foreign language.    ::MonkeyTongue::  Then I realized you self-edited.  I wish you really could read Dutch, though... 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on November 22, 2010, 09:13:24 AM
Thank you Titch


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Titch on November 22, 2010, 09:20:32 AM
That former judge Wedzinga published yesterday an announcement in which he wrote about a double murder near the Marriott hotel the night Natalee vanished.

www.raadsheer-wedzinga.nl





I can read Dutch ::MonkeyEek::


I can't read DUTCH

Hey Blonde!

Please bear with me as I'm typing as fast as I can into translate. It appears as though the page is copy protected or something...can't just cut & paste...

Here's the translation for his introductory 1st paragraph:

The double murder at the Marriott Hotel (announcement)

Before the series of reports about the Holloway case "is closed with a piece about the corruption and conflicts of interest that a role played in the derailment of the investigation, I will soon be the final step of reconstruction of the events the night of Sunday, May 29 2001 on Monday, May 30, 2005 published a piece titled: "The double murder at the Marriott Hotel.


Here's the 1st paragraph in the actual article:

The innocence of Joran van der Sloot (continued)

Preliminary: For a good overview, it is desirable to read the above article first before reading this revealing piece. revealing because the first one samenhangened and coherent picture is created from those in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway are involved. Fragmented information on the Internet using the file on credibility and reliability and truthfulness therefore tested. This information is much more refined.

(....)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Titch on November 22, 2010, 09:21:03 AM
Thank you Titch

anytime! good morning!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 22, 2010, 09:24:19 AM
That former judge Wedzinga published yesterday an announcement in which he wrote about a double murder near the Marriott hotel the night Natalee vanished.

www.raadsheer-wedzinga.nl



In my preview I see that Titch has already translated, Thanks Titch! ::MonkeyCool::

But since I'd already done this...this is the google translation.

http://www.raadsheer-wedzinga.nl/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/11222010_ww.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Titch on November 22, 2010, 09:31:39 AM
That former judge Wedzinga published yesterday an announcement in which he wrote about a double murder near the Marriott hotel the night Natalee vanished.

www.raadsheer-wedzinga.nl



In my preview I see that Titch has already translated, Thanks Titch! ::MonkeyCool::

But since I'd already done this...this is the google translation.

http://www.raadsheer-wedzinga.nl/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/11222010_ww.jpg)

Texasmom THANK YOU! but how did you do that bc I'm typing everything out...literally everything! it wouldn;t allow me to copy & paste. Also, when I put the site into google translation, it wouldn;t go for some reason! I wonder what I did wrong?



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Titch on November 22, 2010, 09:32:55 AM
That former judge Wedzinga published yesterday an announcement in which he wrote about a double murder near the Marriott hotel the night Natalee vanished.

www.raadsheer-wedzinga.nl





I can read Dutch ::MonkeyEek::


I can't read DUTCH

Hey Blonde!

Please bear with me as I'm typing as fast as I can into translate. It appears as though the page is copy protected or something...can't just cut & paste...

Here's the translation for his introductory 1st paragraph:

The double murder at the Marriott Hotel (announcement)

Before the series of reports about the Holloway case "is closed with a piece about the corruption and conflicts of interest that a role played in the derailment of the investigation, I will soon be the final step of reconstruction of the events the night of Sunday, May 29 2001 on Monday, May 30, 2005 published a piece titled: "The double murder at the Marriott Hotel.


Here's the 1st paragraph in the actual article:

The innocence of Joran van der Sloot (continued)

Preliminary: For a good overview, it is desirable to read the above article first before reading this revealing piece. revealing because the first one samenhangened and coherent picture is created from those in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway are involved. Fragmented information on the Internet using the file on credibility and reliability and truthfulness therefore tested. This information is much more refined.

(....)


Here's the 2nd paragraph of the main article:

Whether it is true, I do not know. Information on the internet is too vague. Information from criminal and civil case provides sufficient guidance on to say that Natalee Holloway probably between 02.30 hours and 003.00 hours of life has left. At about 01.50 hours Joran and Natalee by Deepak and Satish in a quiet, unpaved road from the Marriott Hotel off. "A street with no name". Deepak and Satish were then driven home. Deepak logs at 02.00 hours on his computer. While he was chatting with his American vroend John Charles Croes comes an alarming call from Joran inside. It is 26.2 hours.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 09:34:24 AM
That former judge Wedzinga published yesterday an announcement in which he wrote about a double murder near the Marriott hotel the night Natalee vanished.

www.raadsheer-wedzinga.nl




I can read Dutch ::MonkeyEek::

Edit:  Add "can't"

Translated:


Before the series of messages on the "Holloway case" is closed with a piece about the corruption and conflicts of interest that a role played in the derailment of the investigation, I will soon be the final step of reconstruction of the events the night of Sunday, May 29 z005 on Monday, May 30, 2005 published a piece titled: "The double murder at the Marriott Hotel.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 22, 2010, 09:35:11 AM
Look at Anita's new fb profile pic.   Yesterday she had a rose.  Today it looks like a cherub's
head in the water's edge.

www.facebook.com

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/Social%20Pages/11222010_Anita_FB_Profile.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 22, 2010, 09:40:18 AM
Look at Anita's new fb profile pic.   Yesterday she had a rose.  Today it looks like a cherub's
head in the water's edge.

www.facebook.com

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/Social%20Pages/11222010_Anita_FB_Profile.jpg)


Thanks, TM. ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Titch on November 22, 2010, 09:41:26 AM
Look at Anita's new fb profile pic.   Yesterday she had a rose.  Today it looks like a cherub's
head in the water's edge.

www.facebook.com

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/Social%20Pages/11222010_Anita_FB_Profile.jpg)

It also looks like a violin is over the cherub's head, plus a sea turtle's face & neck to the upper left & a dung beetle or scarab to the right? What's that all about? What's the significance? Why would she choose this pic?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 22, 2010, 09:42:33 AM
That former judge Wedzinga published yesterday an announcement in which he wrote about a double murder near the Marriott hotel the night Natalee vanished.

www.raadsheer-wedzinga.nl



In my preview I see that Titch has already translated, Thanks Titch! ::MonkeyCool::

But since I'd already done this...this is the google translation.

http://www.raadsheer-wedzinga.nl/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/11222010_ww.jpg)

Texasmom THANK YOU! but how did you do that bc I'm typing everything out...literally everything! it wouldn;t allow me to copy & paste. Also, when I put the site into google translation, it wouldn;t go for some reason! I wonder what I did wrong?



On most pages that aren't in English I get an option below my toolbar to translate, and if I click on it, the page is translated.  Then I just did a screen shot and put it in photobucket.

I've typed many an article to translate, so I really do appreciate your doing that!   ::MonkeyCool::

I'll post the link when I can find it, but I did the same for the Nov 19th article.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 09:44:23 AM
Look at Anita's new fb profile pic.   Yesterday she had a rose.  Today it looks like a cherub's
head in the water's edge.

www.facebook.com

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/Social%20Pages/11222010_Anita_FB_Profile.jpg)

(http://cartoons.diberardo.com/canadian-political-cartoons/political-cartoons-large/death-in-paradise.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 22, 2010, 09:47:02 AM
That former judge Wedzinga published yesterday an announcement in which he wrote about a double murder near the Marriott hotel the night Natalee vanished.

www.raadsheer-wedzinga.nl



In my preview I see that Titch has already translated, Thanks Titch! ::MonkeyCool::

But since I'd already done this...this is the google translation.

http://www.raadsheer-wedzinga.nl/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/11222010_ww.jpg)

Texasmom THANK YOU! but how did you do that bc I'm typing everything out...literally everything! it wouldn;t allow me to copy & paste. Also, when I put the site into google translation, it wouldn;t go for some reason! I wonder what I did wrong?



On most pages that aren't in English I get an option below my toolbar to translate, and if I click on it, the page is translated.  Then I just did a screen shot and put it in photobucket.

I've typed many an article to translate, so I really do appreciate your doing that!   ::MonkeyCool::

I'll post the link when I can find it, but I did the same for the Nov 19th article.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8849.msg1264893#msg1264893

I posted it in two parts so it wouldn't be so long.  They are both on the same page.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: akmom on November 22, 2010, 09:51:28 AM
Alert just on Fox says that the announcement about the jawbone  will be tomorrow afternoon.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: AZSunny on November 22, 2010, 09:51:44 AM
Look at Anita's new fb profile pic.   Yesterday she had a rose.  Today it looks like a cherub's
head in the water's edge.

www.facebook.com

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/Social%20Pages/11222010_Anita_FB_Profile.jpg)

(http://cartoons.diberardo.com/canadian-political-cartoons/political-cartoons-large/death-in-paradise.jpg)

Interesting...same horn the cherub is holding too.  Why the violin though?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 09:53:34 AM
FYI - I just approved late last night that lady kkthy that has posted on the front page of SM about finding the jawbone.  Hopefully she will post in the forum now if she gets a chance.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 09:53:58 AM
Alert just on Fox says that the announcement about the jawbone  will be tomorrow afternoon.

Thanks AKMom


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: AZSunny on November 22, 2010, 09:54:25 AM
Alert just on Fox says that the announcement about the jawbone  will be tomorrow afternoon.

One more day to prepare the damage control.  The press will be swarming the island now. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Titch on November 22, 2010, 09:56:17 AM
That former judge Wedzinga published yesterday an announcement in which he wrote about a double murder near the Marriott hotel the night Natalee vanished.

www.raadsheer-wedzinga.nl



In my preview I see that Titch has already translated, Thanks Titch! ::MonkeyCool::

But since I'd already done this...this is the google translation.

http://www.raadsheer-wedzinga.nl/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/11222010_ww.jpg)

Texasmom THANK YOU! but how did you do that bc I'm typing everything out...literally everything! it wouldn;t allow me to copy & paste. Also, when I put the site into google translation, it wouldn;t go for some reason! I wonder what I did wrong?



On most pages that aren't in English I get an option below my toolbar to translate, and if I click on it, the page is translated.  Then I just did a screen shot and put it in photobucket.

I've typed many an article to translate, so I really do appreciate your doing that!   ::MonkeyCool::

I'll post the link when I can find it, but I did the same for the Nov 19th article.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8849.msg1264893#msg1264893

I posted it in two parts so it wouldn't be so long.  They are both on the same page.

Thank you so much! I was still typing! I've never had a problem with google translate before. I've always just put the site link into the translation box & it translates but for some reason I'm getting error msgs stating unusual amount of activity. Thanks again Texasmom!

I wasn;t a member of Sm back when Natalee went missing but I followed here alot. I started trying to join back when Caylee went missing. I'm so happy to be part of such a caring yet ruthless group of people trying to make a difference in justice being served!



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 22, 2010, 09:58:26 AM
Alert just on Fox says that the announcement about the jawbone  will be tomorrow afternoon.

One more day to prepare the damage control.  The press will be swarming the island now. 

I noticed this morning that CBS had a reporter on the ground in Aruba waiting for the report.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: akmom on November 22, 2010, 09:58:37 AM
I can't help but find that picture from Anita's facebook, seriously disturbing.  I don't understand where the cartoon came from though?  I must have missed it. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: akmom on November 22, 2010, 09:59:47 AM
Alert just on Fox says that the announcement about the jawbone  will be tomorrow afternoon.

Thanks AKMom

Most welcome, they are talking about it again right now.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: kkthy on November 22, 2010, 10:00:25 AM
This is my first post as a registerd member.  I originally posted on the main page and mentioned that I was with the person who actually found the Jaw Bone in Aruba.  I'd have quoted that post but I can't figure out how to do that from the main page. (The one with the fictitious random jaw bone that starts the post) 

Anyhoo... I tried contacting CNN's Nancy Grace twice but have not received a response as yet.  This weekend I contacted my local news station and they called me last night.  Channel 3 Eyewitness News (CT) is coming to my house to meet with 4 of us. (Friends that found the jaw bone and my husband and I)  I don't know if this will eventually be televised but wanted to post that info here.  I am hoping that the news comes out today whether it is confirmed to be Natalee's or not.  Hopefully this find will bring closure to a family.

I'm at work so can't keep checking back here.  I'll let you know more after tonight's interview.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 22, 2010, 10:00:35 AM
Look at Anita's new fb profile pic.   Yesterday she had a rose.  Today it looks like a cherub's
head in the water's edge.

www.facebook.com

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/Social%20Pages/11222010_Anita_FB_Profile.jpg)

It also looks like a violin is over the cherub's head, plus a sea turtle's face & neck to the upper left & a dung beetle or scarab to the right? What's that all about? What's the significance? Why would she choose this pic?

Who knows with that twisted POS.  She's probably got a crap trap version in her collection too!   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::  

I guess Sebastian thinks this is a good pic of him!  Guess it's a little better than the butt-up one!   ::MonkeyRoll::

www.facebook.com

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/Social%20Pages/11212010_Sebastian_FBProfilePic.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 22, 2010, 10:04:08 AM
This is my first post as a registerd member.  I originally posted on the main page and mentioned that I was with the person who actually found the Jaw Bone in Aruba.  I'd have quoted that post but I can't figure out how to do that from the main page. (The one with the fictitious random jaw bone that starts the post) 

Anyhoo... I tried contacting CNN's Nancy Grace twice but have not received a response as yet.  This weekend I contacted my local news station and they called me last night.  Channel 3 Eyewitness News (CT) is coming to my house to meet with 4 of us. (Friends that found the jaw bone and my husband and I)  I don't know if this will eventually be televised but wanted to post that info here.  I am hoping that the news comes out today whether it is confirmed to be Natalee's or not.  Hopefully this find will bring closure to a family.

I'm at work so can't keep checking back here.  I'll let you know more after tonight's interview.

Welcome to Scared Monkeys kkthy!   ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks for the information, I hope the local news will televise the interview!  We'll look forward to it!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 22, 2010, 10:06:13 AM
Look at Anita's new fb profile pic.   Yesterday she had a rose.  Today it looks like a cherub's
head in the water's edge.

www.facebook.com

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/Social%20Pages/11222010_Anita_FB_Profile.jpg)

It also looks like a violin is over the cherub's head, plus a sea turtle's face & neck to the upper left & a dung beetle or scarab to the right? What's that all about? What's the significance? Why would she choose this pic?

Who knows with that twisted POS.  She's probably got a crap trap version in her collection too!   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::  

I guess Sebastian thinks this is a good pic of him!  Guess it's a little better than the butt-up one!   ::MonkeyRoll::

www.facebook.com

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/Social%20Pages/11212010_Sebastian_FBProfilePic.jpg)




I can see dead fishes all around and the violin has broken strings. 

The comparision to the cartoon is creepy.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on November 22, 2010, 10:06:59 AM
Replay of Geraldo is on.

Believe it or not I actually saw Geraldo tonight on the plane. Nothing new.

eeewwwwwwwwwwwww did you have to use your barf bag???  Hi klaas and monks....like everyone else I was hoping for some news....... ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: MsVada on November 22, 2010, 10:07:25 AM
I don't know what the significance of Anita's picture is, but the last post with the picture of Natalee underneath it,  someone noted the horn was the same,  but did you notice the lips on the cherub and the drawing of Natalee?  Does anyone else think they are similar?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Titch on November 22, 2010, 10:09:11 AM
This is my first post as a registerd member.  I originally posted on the main page and mentioned that I was with the person who actually found the Jaw Bone in Aruba.  I'd have quoted that post but I can't figure out how to do that from the main page. (The one with the fictitious random jaw bone that starts the post) 

Anyhoo... I tried contacting CNN's Nancy Grace twice but have not received a response as yet.  This weekend I contacted my local news station and they called me last night.  Channel 3 Eyewitness News (CT) is coming to my house to meet with 4 of us. (Friends that found the jaw bone and my husband and I)  I don't know if this will eventually be televised but wanted to post that info here.  I am hoping that the news comes out today whether it is confirmed to be Natalee's or not.  Hopefully this find will bring closure to a family.

I'm at work so can't keep checking back here.  I'll let you know more after tonight's interview.

Welcome to scaredmonkeys.com kkthy. Glad you could share this information with us. Our hearts are with Natalee and her family right now as everyone prays for closure. I'm sure hoping at least the speak with Natalee's parents first, before they announce it to the world.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Blonde on November 22, 2010, 10:13:02 AM
This is my first post as a registerd member.  I originally posted on the main page and mentioned that I was with the person who actually found the Jaw Bone in Aruba.  I'd have quoted that post but I can't figure out how to do that from the main page. (The one with the fictitious random jaw bone that starts the post) 

Anyhoo... I tried contacting CNN's Nancy Grace twice but have not received a response as yet.  This weekend I contacted my local news station and they called me last night.  Channel 3 Eyewitness News (CT) is coming to my house to meet with 4 of us. (Friends that found the jaw bone and my husband and I)  I don't know if this will eventually be televised but wanted to post that info here.  I am hoping that the news comes out today whether it is confirmed to be Natalee's or not.  Hopefully this find will bring closure to a family.

I'm at work so can't keep checking back here.  I'll let you know more after tonight's interview.
Your in CT so am I


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 10:13:13 AM
This is my first post as a registerd member.  I originally posted on the main page and mentioned that I was with the person who actually found the Jaw Bone in Aruba.  I'd have quoted that post but I can't figure out how to do that from the main page. (The one with the fictitious random jaw bone that starts the post) 

Anyhoo... I tried contacting CNN's Nancy Grace twice but have not received a response as yet.  This weekend I contacted my local news station and they called me last night.  Channel 3 Eyewitness News (CT) is coming to my house to meet with 4 of us. (Friends that found the jaw bone and my husband and I)  I don't know if this will eventually be televised but wanted to post that info here.  I am hoping that the news comes out today whether it is confirmed to be Natalee's or not.  Hopefully this find will bring closure to a family.

I'm at work so can't keep checking back here.  I'll let you know more after tonight's interview.

Thank you Kkathy!  Welcome to SM!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Ono on November 22, 2010, 10:14:28 AM
This is my first post as a registerd member.  I originally posted on the main page and mentioned that I was with the person who actually found the Jaw Bone in Aruba.  I'd have quoted that post but I can't figure out how to do that from the main page. (The one with the fictitious random jaw bone that starts the post) 

Anyhoo... I tried contacting CNN's Nancy Grace twice but have not received a response as yet.  This weekend I contacted my local news station and they called me last night.  Channel 3 Eyewitness News (CT) is coming to my house to meet with 4 of us. (Friends that found the jaw bone and my husband and I)  I don't know if this will eventually be televised but wanted to post that info here.  I am hoping that the news comes out today whether it is confirmed to be Natalee's or not.  Hopefully this find will bring closure to a family.

I'm at work so can't keep checking back here.  I'll let you know more after tonight's interview.

Interesting!  Welcome and thanks for joining us! 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: akmom on November 22, 2010, 10:14:37 AM
   Thank you kkthy for joining us.  I think I remember that your husband wanted to look for Natalee?  Is there any kind of connection there, or has he just followed the case like we have?  Has he been an active member of a forum or group that has discussed Natalee over the years?  Just curious and hope these questions are not too intrusive.




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 10:15:12 AM
I don't know what the significance of Anita's picture is, but the last post with the picture of Natalee underneath it,  someone noted the horn was the same,  but did you notice the lips on the cherub and the drawing of Natalee?  Does anyone else think they are similar?

Similar - but we do know 100% that Anita did not draw that cartoon.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 22, 2010, 10:16:10 AM
I can't help but find that picture from Anita's facebook, seriously disturbing.  I don't understand where the cartoon came from though?  I must have missed it. 

The cartoon was done by a Canadian artist and published on 6/5/05, just days after Natalee went missing and during the time the ALE was focusing on the security guards.  A lot of time was spent looking at the cartoon and wondering where or how the artist got his info or thoughts.  He was contacted by someone, but iirc, he had no interest in responding or giving any information.











Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 22, 2010, 10:18:26 AM
I can't help but find that picture from Anita's facebook, seriously disturbing.  I don't understand where the cartoon came from though?  I must have missed it. 

The cartoon was done by a Canadian artist and published on 6/5/05, just days after Natalee went missing and during the time the ALE was focusing on the security guards.  A lot of time was spent looking at the cartoon and wondering where or how the artist got his info or thoughts.  He was contacted by someone, but iirc, he had no interest in responding or giving any information.


Thanks 2NJ!  I was trying to remember the specifics...but I decided I needed more coffee!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: can on November 22, 2010, 10:18:34 AM
This is my first post as a registerd member.  I originally posted on the main page and mentioned that I was with the person who actually found the Jaw Bone in Aruba.  I'd have quoted that post but I can't figure out how to do that from the main page. (The one with the fictitious random jaw bone that starts the post) 

Anyhoo... I tried contacting CNN's Nancy Grace twice but have not received a response as yet.  This weekend I contacted my local news station and they called me last night.  Channel 3 Eyewitness News (CT) is coming to my house to meet with 4 of us. (Friends that found the jaw bone and my husband and I)  I don't know if this will eventually be televised but wanted to post that info here.  I am hoping that the news comes out today whether it is confirmed to be Natalee's or not.  Hopefully this find will bring closure to a family.

I'm at work so can't keep checking back here.  I'll let you know more after tonight's interview.

Welcome to the cage. 
When will Ch 3 eyewitness news be meeting with you?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: akmom on November 22, 2010, 10:21:09 AM
I can't help but find that picture from Anita's facebook, seriously disturbing.  I don't understand where the cartoon came from though?  I must have missed it. 

The cartoon was done by a Canadian artist and published on 6/5/05, just days after Natalee went missing and during the time the ALE was focusing on the security guards.  A lot of time was spent looking at the cartoon and wondering where or how the artist got his info or thoughts.  He was contacted by someone, but iirc, he had no interest in responding or giving any information.











Thank you!  I have forgotten or missed so much over the years.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on November 22, 2010, 10:21:16 AM
Look at Anita's new fb profile pic.   Yesterday she had a rose.  Today it looks like a cherub's
head in the water's edge.

www.facebook.com

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/Social%20Pages/11222010_Anita_FB_Profile.jpg)

ummmm I wonder if she looks at this as a self protrait ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 22, 2010, 10:21:35 AM
Look at Anita's new fb profile pic.   Yesterday she had a rose.  Today it looks like a cherub's
head in the water's edge.

www.facebook.com

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/Social%20Pages/11222010_Anita_FB_Profile.jpg)


Thanks, TM. ::MonkeyKiss::
Ahha so it was Joran on the Beach with a Violin! ::MonkeyJnBox::  Not!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 22, 2010, 10:22:32 AM
Welcome, kkthy, and thank you for sharing your story with SM.  Good luck with the interview tonight.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: can on November 22, 2010, 10:24:45 AM
Alert just on Fox says that the announcement about the jawbone  will be tomorrow afternoon.

Thanks akmom!

Wonder if Renfro knows yet...and Anita?   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 22, 2010, 10:26:23 AM
I can't help but find that picture from Anita's facebook, seriously disturbing.  I don't understand where the cartoon came from though?  I must have missed it. 

The cartoon was done by a Canadian artist and published on 6/5/05, just days after Natalee went missing and during the time the ALE was focusing on the security guards.  A lot of time was spent looking at the cartoon and wondering where or how the artist got his info or thoughts.  He was contacted by someone, but iirc, he had no interest in responding or giving any information.


Thanks 2NJ!  I was trying to remember the specifics...but I decided I needed more coffee!

Actually, I think he's a political cartoonist, for the most part.  I think there's a link to his work.  I haven't looked for it in years. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: kkthy on November 22, 2010, 10:26:58 AM
This is my first post as a registerd member.  I originally posted on the main page and mentioned that I was with the person who actually found the Jaw Bone in Aruba.  I'd have quoted that post but I can't figure out how to do that from the main page. (The one with the fictitious random jaw bone that starts the post) 

Anyhoo... I tried contacting CNN's Nancy Grace twice but have not received a response as yet.  This weekend I contacted my local news station and they called me last night.  Channel 3 Eyewitness News (CT) is coming to my house to meet with 4 of us. (Friends that found the jaw bone and my husband and I)  I don't know if this will eventually be televised but wanted to post that info here.  I am hoping that the news comes out today whether it is confirmed to be Natalee's or not.  Hopefully this find will bring closure to a family.

I'm at work so can't keep checking back here.  I'll let you know more after tonight's interview.

Welcome to the cage. 
When will Ch 3 eyewitness news be meeting with you?

I'm sorry... I left out when Channel 3 is coming.  They are coming at 5:30PM tonight to my home.  :::taking deep breaths::::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Ono on November 22, 2010, 10:28:42 AM
Look at Anita's new fb profile pic.   Yesterday she had a rose.  Today it looks like a cherub's
head in the water's edge.

www.facebook.com

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/Social%20Pages/11222010_Anita_FB_Profile.jpg)

ummmm I wonder if she looks at this as a self protrait ::MonkeyDevil::


I wondered the same!!!    ::MonkeyHaHa::  [ There is a large resemblance!!!! ]


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: can on November 22, 2010, 10:30:34 AM
This is my first post as a registerd member.  I originally posted on the main page and mentioned that I was with the person who actually found the Jaw Bone in Aruba.  I'd have quoted that post but I can't figure out how to do that from the main page. (The one with the fictitious random jaw bone that starts the post) 

Anyhoo... I tried contacting CNN's Nancy Grace twice but have not received a response as yet.  This weekend I contacted my local news station and they called me last night.  Channel 3 Eyewitness News (CT) is coming to my house to meet with 4 of us. (Friends that found the jaw bone and my husband and I)  I don't know if this will eventually be televised but wanted to post that info here.  I am hoping that the news comes out today whether it is confirmed to be Natalee's or not.  Hopefully this find will bring closure to a family.

I'm at work so can't keep checking back here.  I'll let you know more after tonight's interview.

Welcome to the cage. 
When will Ch 3 eyewitness news be meeting with you?

I'm sorry... I left out when Channel 3 is coming.  They are coming at 5:30PM tonight to my home.  :::taking deep breaths::::

Thank you so much. 
I know this must be nerve wracking, for you all. 
Thank God you and your friends did the right thing and turned the
mandible in. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 22, 2010, 10:32:29 AM
I can't help but find that picture from Anita's facebook, seriously disturbing.  I don't understand where the cartoon came from though?  I must have missed it. 

The cartoon was done by a Canadian artist and published on 6/5/05, just days after Natalee went missing and during the time the ALE was focusing on the security guards.  A lot of time was spent looking at the cartoon and wondering where or how the artist got his info or thoughts.  He was contacted by someone, but iirc, he had no interest in responding or giving any information.


Thanks 2NJ!  I was trying to remember the specifics...but I decided I needed more coffee!

Actually, I think he's a political cartoonist, for the most part.  I think there's a link to his work.  I haven't looked for it in years. 

Here is the link to his cartoons.

http://cartoons.diberardo.com/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Ono on November 22, 2010, 10:40:27 AM
I can't help but find that picture from Anita's facebook, seriously disturbing.  I don't understand where the cartoon came from though?  I must have missed it. 

The cartoon was done by a Canadian artist and published on 6/5/05, just days after Natalee went missing and during the time the ALE was focusing on the security guards.  A lot of time was spent looking at the cartoon and wondering where or how the artist got his info or thoughts.  He was contacted by someone, but iirc, he had no interest in responding or giving any information.


Thanks 2NJ!  I was trying to remember the specifics...but I decided I needed more coffee!

Actually, I think he's a political cartoonist, for the most part.  I think there's a link to his work.  I haven't looked for it in years. 

Here is the link to his cartoons.

http://cartoons.diberardo.com/

Thanks for the link;  I wonder if he knows Anita-I always thought his cherub with the trumpet looked like Anita;  Imo, she seems to have a "thing" for cherubs-didn't we see her place Beth's prayercard against a cherub candle holder or little cherub figurine during Beth's & Greta's visit or one of those televised visits which we saw?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Dragnet on November 22, 2010, 10:44:30 AM
Good Morning Monkeys, haven't been here in a couple months.  Hope everyone is doing well.

Just saw this on Fox.  What do you make of the statement that Taco Stein will be making a statement after the announcement?  Anything?

From the following article:  http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/11/22/results-bone-analysis-possible-holloway-link-announced-tuesday/?test=latestnews

"The results of the forensic analysis on a jawbone found earlier this month in Aruba will be announced on Tuesday, potentially providing the first piece of concrete evidence in the death of missing American teenager Natalee Holloway.

Ann Angela, a spokeswoman for the Aruba Prosecutor's Office, told Fox News she did not have results of the analysis. Aruba Solicitor General Taco Stein will make a statement following the announcement."

Edit to change red color to blue.  


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 22, 2010, 10:47:49 AM
I can't help but find that picture from Anita's facebook, seriously disturbing.  I don't understand where the cartoon came from though?  I must have missed it. 

The cartoon was done by a Canadian artist and published on 6/5/05, just days after Natalee went missing and during the time the ALE was focusing on the security guards.  A lot of time was spent looking at the cartoon and wondering where or how the artist got his info or thoughts.  He was contacted by someone, but iirc, he had no interest in responding or giving any information.


Thanks 2NJ!  I was trying to remember the specifics...but I decided I needed more coffee!

Actually, I think he's a political cartoonist, for the most part.  I think there's a link to his work.  I haven't looked for it in years. 

Here is the link to his cartoons.

http://cartoons.diberardo.com/

Thanks for the link;  I wonder if he knows Anita-I always thought his cherub with the trumpet looked like Anita;  Imo, she seems to have a "thing" for cherubs-didn't we see her place Beth's prayercard against a cherub candle holder or little cherub figurine during Beth's & Greta's visit or one of those televised visits which we saw?

That was part of our discussion way back.  He seemed to have details or info that prompted him to depict a shallow grave, a boat, etc.  Who knows who he may know.  It could be someone like Renfro or Lacle. 

Your memory may be right about where Anita placed the prayer card.  It's vague in mine. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 10:52:10 AM
Good Morning Monkeys, haven't been here in a couple months.  Hope everyone is doing well.

Just saw this on Fox.  What do you make of the statement that Taco Stein will be making a statement after the announcement?  Anything?

From the following article:  http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/11/22/results-bone-analysis-possible-holloway-link-announced-tuesday/?test=latestnews

"The results of the forensic analysis on a jawbone found earlier this month in Aruba will be announced on Tuesday, potentially providing the first piece of concrete evidence in the death of missing American teenager Natalee Holloway.

Ann Angela, a spokeswoman for the Aruba Prosecutor's Office, told Fox News she did not have results of the analysis. Aruba Solicitor General Taco Stein will make a statement following the announcement."
Edit to change red color to blue.

Thank you Dragnet.

No matter who's jawbone it is, this won't look good for Aruba.  Bones washing up in Paradise is not my idea of a vacation.  Again, if it's not Natalee, then this delay is cruel and will make Aruba look even worse in my eyes.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Dragnet on November 22, 2010, 10:58:12 AM
Ahh good point Klaas.  A jawbone is a jawbone, regardless of who it ends up belonging to.  And I don't think it's possible for Aruba to look any worse than they already do.  And it has all been at their own hands. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: MsVada on November 22, 2010, 10:59:50 AM
I don't know what the significance of Anita's picture is, but the last post with the picture of Natalee underneath it,  someone noted the horn was the same,  but did you notice the lips on the cherub and the drawing of Natalee?  Does anyone else think they are similar?

Similar - but we do know 100% that Anita did not draw that cartoon.


IMHO, Anita didn't draw either of those pictures. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on November 22, 2010, 11:02:42 AM
Results of jawbone tests in Aruba coming Tuesday

(NewsCore) - The office of Aruba Solicitor General Taco Stein is expected to announce Tuesday whether a jawbone found on a beach this month belonged to missing US teenager Natalee Holloway, Fox News Channel reported.

The bone was reportedly found by tourists near the Phoenix hotel on the Caribbean island and was handed over to authorities. An Aruban prosecutor said Thursday that the jawbone belonged to a young woman.

The Netherlands Forensic Institute has been examining the bone since last Monday, comparing the teeth to Holloway’s dental records, dental X-rays and teeth impressions and extracting DNA from the bone, according to Fox News Channel.

Holloway, an 18-year-old student from Mountain Brook, Ala., disappeared on May 30, 2005 during a high school graduation trip to Aruba. She was last seen by her classmates outside a chain restaurant and nightclub in Oranjestad, in a car with Joran van der Sloot and brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe.

Van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers were arrested multiple times in the Holloway case but were later released.

Van der Sloot is currently in jail in Peru and charged with the first-degree murder and robbery of 21-year-old Stephany Flores in his Lima hotel room in May. He has also been charged in the US with trying to extort $250,000 from Holloway’s family in exchange for telling them where her body is located.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/national/112210-jawbone-tests-aruba-ncx


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: MsVada on November 22, 2010, 11:09:25 AM
Early Semitic tradition conceived the cherub as guardians, being devoid of human feelings, and holding a duty both to represent the gods and to guard sanctuaries from intruders




http://tinyurl.com/2bxte7u


interesting that she had these cherubs everywhere in her life but the evil still got into her family :( ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: can on November 22, 2010, 11:15:01 AM
Results of jawbone tests in Aruba coming Tuesday

(NewsCore) - The office of Aruba Solicitor General Taco Stein is expected to announce Tuesday whether a jawbone found on a beach this month belonged to missing US teenager Natalee Holloway, Fox News Channel reported.

The bone was reportedly found by tourists near the Phoenix hotel on the Caribbean island and was handed over to authorities. An Aruban prosecutor said Thursday that the jawbone belonged to a young woman.

The Netherlands Forensic Institute has been examining the bone since last Monday, comparing the teeth to Holloway’s dental records, dental X-rays and teeth impressions and extracting DNA from the bone, according to Fox News Channel.

Holloway, an 18-year-old student from Mountain Brook, Ala., disappeared on May 30, 2005 during a high school graduation trip to Aruba. She was last seen by her classmates outside a chain restaurant and nightclub in Oranjestad, in a car with Joran van der Sloot and brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe.

Van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers were arrested multiple times in the Holloway case but were later released.

Van der Sloot is currently in jail in Peru and charged with the first-degree murder and robbery of 21-year-old Stephany Flores in his Lima hotel room in May. He has also been charged in the US with trying to extort $250,000 from Holloway’s family in exchange for telling them where her body is located.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/national/112210-jawbone-tests-aruba-ncx
Thanks Northern.
Since they have extracted DNA from the bone, I believe the dental records and impressions must have matched Natalee's in order for them to take this further step.
 



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Anna on November 22, 2010, 11:15:24 AM
Does anyone else think that it just doesn't do Aruba any good to deny the fact that Natalee is deceased and Joran is responsible now that he is practically caught on tape in Peru?  I mean, what are the odds that there was another psycho in Aruba at that time who caused Natalee to disappear?  That would be even worse for their tourism image.

So now that he is soooo caught, they have no reason to remain in denial and keep saying no evidence and all the rest of the cover up.  They will still say they have no evidence that Joran is guilty which is true because they deliberately refused to collect any but to continue to deny that anything even happened is just stretching credibility too far and even the tone deaf Arubans can pick up on that this just will not be believed after what Joran did in Peru.  So they might as well give her back and hope that will cause Beth to go away.

I know I am not making any sense but after this long, I do think most of you will understand what I am trying to say.



Anna, you make perfect sense, as usual!  I would think it would be in there best interest to  admit it was him, give Nat back and let it go in the past.  He's going to rot in Peru either way.  And as for the rest of those in the conspiracy, God can take care of them! Perfect chance for them to move on.   It's a win/win for everybody!  MOO


Aah yes, but the problem in admitting that equals more than a few bones that wash ashore and it won’t be left to the past.  They will stand wide open in exposure for the corruption and cover up Starting with Van der Stratten.
This is a Big Mess and they don’t know how to clean it up and do damage control so they will continue to deny it.
They just don’t understand that the Truth will prevail.

I wonder how Van der Stratten is handling this news. He and Anita must weigh about 98lbs wet now!
::MonkeyDevil::

Lol-I'd like to see Anita weigh 98 lbs!!  Ain't ever gonna happen!!   ::MonkeyHaHa::



Oh, no, they have already covered the corruption angle.  It wasn't corruption at all but MISTAKES!  Mistakes were made I believe is the exact phrase and then it was implied those mistakes were made because there is so little crime in Aruba (HA!  See the Murder & Crime Thread link in my signature!) but that was the result of the investigation into van der Straaten.  They have so little crime there that they do not know how to investigate it well.  And while mistakes were made, it wasn't curription or cronyism etc.

But of course we all know better than that!  Instead of charging vd Straaten, they gave him two more titles!!


 ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on November 22, 2010, 11:16:19 AM
If it is Natalee, there will be no arrest of Joran. There will be no evidence of a crime and therefore there will be no arrests. You must understand our system.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: can on November 22, 2010, 11:17:47 AM
If it is Natalee, there will be no arrest of Joran. There will be no evidence of a crime and therefore there will be no arrests. You must understand our system.

Nut, you understand it very well!   ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 22, 2010, 11:23:14 AM
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/results_of_jawbone_tests_in_aruba_GJ7s91eAYuBdYQpvDw0pEM

Results of jawbone tests in Aruba coming Tuesday

Last Updated: 10:37 AM, November 22, 2010
Posted: 10:31 AM, November 22, 2010

The office of Aruba Solicitor General Taco Stein is expected to announce Tuesday whether a jawbone found on a beach this month belonged to missing US teenager Natalee Holloway, Fox News Channel reported.

The bone was reportedly found by tourists near the Phoenix hotel on the Caribbean island and was handed over to authorities. An Aruban prosecutor said Thursday that the jawbone belonged to a young woman.

The Netherlands Forensic Institute has been examining the bone since last Monday, comparing the teeth to Holloway’s dental records, dental X-rays and teeth impressions and extracting DNA from the bone, according to Fox News Channel.

Holloway, an 18-year-old student from Mountain Brook, Ala., disappeared on May 30, 2005 during a high school graduation trip to Aruba. She was last seen by her classmates outside a chain restaurant and nightclub in Oranjestad, in a car with Joran van der Sloot and brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe.

Van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers were arrested multiple times in the Holloway case but were later released.

Van der Sloot is currently in jail in Peru and charged with the first-degree murder and robbery of 21-year-old Stephany Flores in his Lima hotel room in May. He has also been charged in the US with trying to extort $250,000 from Holloway’s family in exchange for telling them where her body is located.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Anna on November 22, 2010, 11:24:23 AM
Look at Anita's new fb profile pic.   Yesterday she had a rose.  Today it looks like a cherub's
head in the water's edge.

www.facebook.com

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/Social%20Pages/11222010_Anita_FB_Profile.jpg)


Thanks, TM. ::MonkeyKiss::
Ahha so it was Joran on the Beach with a Violin! ::MonkeyJnBox::  Not!



Could the background be supposed to represent the coast of Aruba?  Isn't there an inlet like that leading to the sanctuary sort of?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Anna on November 22, 2010, 11:25:38 AM
If it is Natalee, there will be no arrest of Joran. There will be no evidence of a crime and therefore there will be no arrests. You must understand our system.

Right, they will probably say she drowned or something like that.  They always blame the victim.  That's part of their system I do understand.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Anna on November 22, 2010, 11:28:07 AM
Well, surely they would not stir up all this drama and tension if it were NOT Natalee.

Or would they?  I don't like it and don't think it is very professional.  They should have just made the announcement without all this lead up to it.  Now if it turns out that it is not her, it will be too much of a let down and totally cruel.

JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Blue Moon on November 22, 2010, 11:28:42 AM
There is one thing bothering me on these reports that the results could solve the Natalee Holloway case.  Bring Natalee home to her family first and foremost BUT Aruba needs to understand this does NOT solve Natalee's disapearance.  This only sets the stage for alot of questions that NOW have to be answered by all involved (I will give a pass on Paulus  ::MonkeyMad:: ).  The remainder of her remains MUST be found (sorry, turned over) to her family for a proper burial in the U.S. 

Aruba knows this, that is why they are stalling.  If it isn't Natalee then it is someone else and they need to find out who it is.  I never heard them request records on any other missing person except Natalee.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 22, 2010, 11:32:50 AM
They are saying they will MASS e-mail the news tomorrow afternoon and then make a statement.

I think they are allowing this time to notify the family first as they said they would.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Anna on November 22, 2010, 11:32:59 AM
Fox News just said they will "mass email" the results tomorrow afternoon.  No details like who will do this but I assume it would be NFI?  To Aruba and the media?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 22, 2010, 11:37:06 AM
Fox News just said they will "mass email" the results tomorrow afternoon.  No details like who will do this but I assume it would be NFI?  To Aruba and the media?


I think Taco Stein's office will more than likely do the emailing.

NFI more than likely just provided the information to his office, and leaves it to them to announce it or not.

JMO based on the statements that were made.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Anna on November 22, 2010, 11:37:31 AM
There is one thing bothering me on these reports that the results could solve the Natalee Holloway case.  Bring Natalee home to her family first and foremost BUT Aruba needs to understand this does NOT solve Natalee's disapearance.  This only sets the stage for alot of questions that NOW have to be answered by all involved (I will give a pass on Paulus  ::MonkeyMad:: ).  The remainder of her remains MUST be found (sorry, turned over) to her family for a proper burial in the U.S. 

Aruba knows this, that is why they are stalling.  If it isn't Natalee then it is someone else and they need to find out who it is.  I never heard them request records on any other missing person except Natalee.


I agree so much Blue Moon.  But I do expect them to say mystery solved as so many in Aruba still try to claim Natalee ran away or something else happened to her other than death at the hands of Joran sv Sloot, the Face of Aruba.

But I am upset that they didn't block off this whole area where the bone was found so that perhaps other remains could be found.  I guess they didn't want tourists to see crime scene tape and a search for human remains on their manmade beaches.  If there was one bone there could have been others.  They just continue with their stupidity.  It never seems to end.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 22, 2010, 11:38:02 AM
They are saying they will MASS e-mail the news tomorrow afternoon and then make a statement.

I think they are allowing this time to notify the family first as they said they would.

Let's Hope and Pray and light the way.... For Natalee


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Anna on November 22, 2010, 11:41:04 AM
After all this time, I am just too emotional about this to even think clearly.  I will be so relieved when tomorrow afternoon comes. 

Yes, it is the not knowing that is the worse and the real torture.  I do hope that Beth is spared this wait.   I hope she knows one way or the other already.  Now must get this off my mind for a bit or will be a basketcase by tomorrow.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on November 22, 2010, 11:42:10 AM
Test results on found Aruba bone to be released Tuesday

Oranjestad, Aruba (CNN) -- Aruban prosecutors plan to release Tuesday the results of tests conducted on a jawbone found on an island beach and disclose whether it belongs to missing teenager Natalee Holloway, officials said.

The tests, conducted at the Netherlands Forensic Institute in The Hague, Netherlands, were to first determine whether the bone is that of a human or that of an animal. If the bone is human, authorities said, they would attempt to determine through DNA testing if it belonged to Holloway. The Alabama 18-year-old was last seen on the island in 2005.

Aruba Solicitor General Taco Stein said prosecutors will issue a statement Tuesday with test results.


Holloway's dental records were sent to the forensic institute last week, according to the FBI.

Part of a jawbone with a tooth was found earlier this month by an American tourist near the Phoenix Hotel, a large resort on the western side of the island, Aruban prosecutor Peter Blanken said. Contacted by CNN, the hotel referred questions to local authorities.

The prosecutor said the bone was initially examined by a forensic expert in Aruba, who determined it was from a young woman. But Blanken cautioned the final determination would be made by the forensic institute.

Meanwhile, police on Monday collected a second bone that was found earlier this month on the beach by a New Jersey family, said Ana Angela, spokeswoman for Aruban prosecutors. However, "it does not appear to be human," said Richard Roy, general manager of the Westin Hotel.

The bone was found in the same general area as the first. The family, who was staying at the Westin, put it on their hotel balcony. They told CNN that once they returned home and heard media reports on the jawbone, they called the FBI and then contacted the Westin. Staffers at the hotel found the bone on the balcony and notified police.

Holloway was last seen in the early hours of May 30, 2005, leaving an Oranjestad nightclub with Joran van der Sloot and two other men. She was visiting the island with about 100 classmates to celebrate their graduation from Mountain Brook High School in suburban Birmingham, Alabama.

Van der Sloot was detained twice in connection with Holloway's disappearance but never charged. He is now awaiting trial in Lima, Peru, on a murder charge in the death of Peruvian student Stephany Flores. Her body was found in May in a hotel room registered to van der Sloot. A surveillance camera captured images of the two entering the room .

Van der Sloot, 23, is also charged with wire fraud and extortion in Alabama for allegedly attempting to extort more than $250,000 from Holloway's family in return for disclosing the location of her body.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/11/22/aruba.bone.found/index.html?eref=rss_latest&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_latest+%28RSS%3A+Most+Recent%29&utm_content=Twitter


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 22, 2010, 11:49:01 AM
However, "it does not appear to be human," said Richard Roy, general manager of the Westin Hotel.


Is this how they identify bones in Aruba??? and why didn't that family turn that bone in to the police??? Unbelievable! ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 22, 2010, 11:49:57 AM
 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Quote
Meanwhile, police on Monday collected a second bone that was found earlier this month on the beach by a New Jersey family, said Ana Angela, spokeswoman for Aruban prosecutors. However, "it does not appear to be human," said Richard Roy, general manager of the Westin Hotel.

The bone was found in the same general area as the first. The family, who was staying at the Westin, put it on their hotel balcony. They told CNN that once they returned home and heard media reports on the jawbone, they called the FBI and then contacted the Westin. Staffers at the hotel found the bone on the balcony and notified police.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 22, 2010, 11:51:15 AM
Like the manager of the hotel would be qualified to determine if a bone was human or not.
 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on November 22, 2010, 11:54:46 AM
Like the manager of the hotel would be qualified to determine if a bone was human or not.
 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::


they all get the forensics cheat sheet - if a bone is found it is  donkey


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 22, 2010, 11:56:13 AM
::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Quote
Meanwhile, police on Monday collected a second bone that was found earlier this month on the beach by a New Jersey family, said Ana Angela, spokeswoman for Aruban prosecutors. However, "it does not appear to be human," said Richard Roy, general manager of the Westin Hotel.

The bone was found in the same general area as the first. The family, who was staying at the Westin, put it on their hotel balcony. They told CNN that once they returned home and heard media reports on the jawbone, they called the FBI and then contacted the Westin. Staffers at the hotel found the bone on the balcony and notified police.

What a HORRIFIC SHAME that is  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 22, 2010, 11:56:33 AM
There is one thing bothering me on these reports that the results could solve the Natalee Holloway case.  Bring Natalee home to her family first and foremost BUT Aruba needs to understand this does NOT solve Natalee's disapearance.  This only sets the stage for alot of questions that NOW have to be answered by all involved (I will give a pass on Paulus  ::MonkeyMad:: ).  The remainder of her remains MUST be found (sorry, turned over) to her family for a proper burial in the U.S.  

Aruba knows this, that is why they are stalling.  If it isn't Natalee then it is someone else and they need to find out who it is.  I never heard them request records on any other missing person except Natalee.


I agree so much Blue Moon.  But I do expect them to say mystery solved as so many in Aruba still try to claim Natalee ran away or something else happened to her other than death at the hands of Joran sv Sloot, the Face of Aruba.

But I am upset that they didn't block off this whole area where the bone was found so that perhaps other remains could be found.  I guess they didn't want tourists to see crime scene tape and a search for human remains on their manmade beaches.  If there was one bone there could have been others.  They just continue with their stupidity.  It never seems to end.

I agree, Anna, and there was at least one tourist planning on staying at the Phoenix who was appalled that it wasn't roped off and being searched (per the bulletin board messages I posted yesterday).  I would think that if they did the right thing by searching, the tourists affected could be accomodated by adjoining beaches and would understand.  I know I would, even though I would not be going there, ever.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: AZSunny on November 22, 2010, 11:59:05 AM
There is one thing bothering me on these reports that the results could solve the Natalee Holloway case.  Bring Natalee home to her family first and foremost BUT Aruba needs to understand this does NOT solve Natalee's disapearance.  This only sets the stage for alot of questions that NOW have to be answered by all involved (I will give a pass on Paulus  ::MonkeyMad:: ).  The remainder of her remains MUST be found (sorry, turned over) to her family for a proper burial in the U.S. 

Aruba knows this, that is why they are stalling.  If it isn't Natalee then it is someone else and they need to find out who it is.  I never heard them request records on any other missing person except Natalee.


I agree so much Blue Moon.  But I do expect them to say mystery solved as so many in Aruba still try to claim Natalee ran away or something else happened to her other than death at the hands of Joran sv Sloot, the Face of Aruba.

But I am upset that they didn't block off this whole area where the bone was found so that perhaps other remains could be found.  I guess they didn't want tourists to see crime scene tape and a search for human remains on their manmade beaches.  If there was one bone there could have been others.  They just continue with their stupidity.  It never seems to end.

I agree Anna.  Instead they bring the 'heavy equipment' to clean the beaches of debris.  Unreal.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 22, 2010, 12:01:27 PM
::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Quote
Meanwhile, police on Monday collected a second bone that was found earlier this month on the beach by a New Jersey family, said Ana Angela, spokeswoman for Aruban prosecutors. However, "it does not appear to be human," said Richard Roy, general manager of the Westin Hotel.

The bone was found in the same general area as the first. The family, who was staying at the Westin, put it on their hotel balcony. They told CNN that once they returned home and heard media reports on the jawbone, they called the FBI and then contacted the Westin. Staffers at the hotel found the bone on the balcony and notified police.

What a HORRIFIC SHAME that is  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:

I'm sorry I am so disturbed by this I'm in tears.  To even think that our Natalee is washing to shore in pieces just rips me in half.

If I could press the button as soon as Natalee is returned to Beth I would Nuke that whole dam hell hole of an island!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on November 22, 2010, 12:07:39 PM
NBC has people on the ground in Aruba covering this now as well

http://yfrog.com/0gaxiyj


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tater on November 22, 2010, 12:08:20 PM
There is one thing bothering me on these reports that the results could solve the Natalee Holloway case.  Bring Natalee home to her family first and foremost BUT Aruba needs to understand this does NOT solve Natalee's disapearance.  This only sets the stage for alot of questions that NOW have to be answered by all involved (I will give a pass on Paulus  ::MonkeyMad:: ).  The remainder of her remains MUST be found (sorry, turned over) to her family for a proper burial in the U.S. 

Aruba knows this, that is why they are stalling.  If it isn't Natalee then it is someone else and they need to find out who it is.  I never heard them request records on any other missing person except Natalee.

I agree but I do have my doubts as to the rest of the remains being found if indeed this jawbone does belong to Natalee.Miracles happen everyday I realize but that's an awful lot to hope for.If it is Natalee,as far as I'm concerned,it still isnt over,just proof she is gone which I've never thought otherwise anyway.Maybe proof she is indeed gone will give Dave and Beth peace but it wont for me.Until joran is completely held accountable for her death,I'll never rest I dont think.The who did it,why they did it,and how they did it will always haunt me I guess.A jawbone will not answer any of those questions for me so I will continue probably for the rest of my days on this earth thinking of Natalee,Dave and Beth and all the other monkeys like myself that hold her in a special place in our hearts.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: can on November 22, 2010, 12:23:23 PM
::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Quote
Meanwhile, police on Monday collected a second bone that was found earlier this month on the beach by a New Jersey family, said Ana Angela, spokeswoman for Aruban prosecutors. However, "it does not appear to be human," said Richard Roy, general manager of the Westin Hotel.

The bone was found in the same general area as the first. The family, who was staying at the Westin, put it on their hotel balcony. They told CNN that once they returned home and heard media reports on the jawbone, they called the FBI and then contacted the Westin. Staffers at the hotel found the bone on the balcony and notified police.

Thanks texasmom.

So where is this bone now?  It should be sent for testing as well. 
what did the police do when they were notified?



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: can on November 22, 2010, 12:26:42 PM
After all this time, I am just too emotional about this to even think clearly.  I will be so relieved when tomorrow afternoon comes. 

Yes, it is the not knowing that is the worse and the real torture.  I do hope that Beth is spared this wait.   I hope she knows one way or the other already.  Now must get this off my mind for a bit or will be a basketcase by tomorrow.

 ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on November 22, 2010, 12:29:47 PM
::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

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Meanwhile, police on Monday collected a second bone that was found earlier this month on the beach by a New Jersey family, said Ana Angela, spokeswoman for Aruban prosecutors. However, "it does not appear to be human," said Richard Roy, general manager of the Westin Hotel.

The bone was found in the same general area as the first. The family, who was staying at the Westin, put it on their hotel balcony. They told CNN that once they returned home and heard media reports on the jawbone, they called the FBI and then contacted the Westin. Staffers at the hotel found the bone on the balcony and notified police.

Thanks texasmom.

So where is this bone now?  It should be sent for testing as well. 
what did the police do when they were notified?



I have doubt that Aruba would admit to more than one human bone every 5 years as it would so mess up their One Happy Island slogan and all their tourism marketing.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 22, 2010, 12:33:47 PM
There is one thing bothering me on these reports that the results could solve the Natalee Holloway case.  Bring Natalee home to her family first and foremost BUT Aruba needs to understand this does NOT solve Natalee's disapearance.  This only sets the stage for alot of questions that NOW have to be answered by all involved (I will give a pass on Paulus  ::MonkeyMad:: ).  The remainder of her remains MUST be found (sorry, turned over) to her family for a proper burial in the U.S. 

Aruba knows this, that is why they are stalling.  If it isn't Natalee then it is someone else and they need to find out who it is.  I never heard them request records on any other missing person except Natalee.

I agree but I do have my doubts as to the rest of the remains being found if indeed this jawbone does belong to Natalee.Miracles happen everyday I realize but that's an awful lot to hope for.If it is Natalee,as far as I'm concerned,it still isnt over,just proof she is gone which I've never thought otherwise anyway.Maybe proof she is indeed gone will give Dave and Beth peace but it wont for me.Until joran is completely held accountable for her death,I'll never rest I dont think.The who did it,why they did it,and how they did it will always haunt me I guess.A jawbone will not answer any of those questions for me so I will continue probably for the rest of my days on this earth thinking of Natalee,Dave and Beth and all the other monkeys like myself that hold her in a special place in our hearts.
On holding Joran Accountable

Maybe this is a way for Aruba to hold him accountable and protect the upper echelon of their corrupt government.

If Natalee turns up now - Peru is going to be even more outraged and if someone does him in over there than Aruba can say we returned Natalee to Beth, Joran is dead, we can’t charge a dead man or if they do charge him then Aruba can say they charged him but never had the opportunity to prosecute concerning the new evidence.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: can on November 22, 2010, 12:35:20 PM
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Meanwhile, police on Monday collected a second bone that was found earlier this month on the beach by a New Jersey family, said Ana Angela, spokeswoman for Aruban prosecutors. However, "it does not appear to be human," said Richard Roy, general manager of the Westin Hotel.

The bone was found in the same general area as the first. The family, who was staying at the Westin, put it on their hotel balcony. They told CNN that once they returned home and heard media reports on the jawbone, they called the FBI and then contacted the Westin. Staffers at the hotel found the bone on the balcony and notified police.

Thanks texasmom.

So where is this bone now?  It should be sent for testing as well. 
what did the police do when they were notified?



I have doubt that Aruba would admit to more than one human bone every 5 years as it would so mess up their One Happy Island slogan and all their tourism marketing.
Yeah I hear ya'.
Hopefully the American Press will bring this out.   If only to let the public know. 
Two bones found in one month in the same general area! 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Blonde on November 22, 2010, 12:37:50 PM
Meanwhile, police on Monday collected a second bone that was found this month on the beach by a New Jersey family, said Ana Angela, spokeswoman for Aruban prosecutors. However, "it does not appear to be human," said Richard Roy, general manager of the Westin Hotel.

The bone was found in the same general area as the first. The family, who was staying at the Westin, put it on their hotel balcony. They told CNN that once they returned home and heard media reports on the jawbone, they called the FBI and then contacted the Westin. Staffers at the hotel found the bone on the balcony and notified police.
Jawbone tested in Holloway case
Natalee Holloway's aunt on bone found
Holloway's mom confronts van der Sloot

Holloway was last seen in the early hours of May 30, 2005, leaving an Oranjestad nightclub with Joran van der Sloot and two other men. She was visiting the island with about 100 classmates to celebrate their graduation from Mountain Brook High School in suburban Birmingham, Alabama.

Van der Sloot was detained twice in connection with Holloway's disappearance but never charged. He is now awaiting trial in Lima, Peru, on a murder charge in the death of Peruvian student Stephany Flores.

Her body was found in May in a hotel room registered to van der Sloot. A surveillance camera captured images of the two entering the room .

Van der Sloot, 23, is also charged with wire fraud and extortion in Alabama for allegedly attempting to extort more than $250,000 from Holloway's family in return for disclosing the location of her body.





http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/11/22/aruba.bone.found/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tater on November 22, 2010, 12:42:43 PM
There is one thing bothering me on these reports that the results could solve the Natalee Holloway case.  Bring Natalee home to her family first and foremost BUT Aruba needs to understand this does NOT solve Natalee's disapearance.  This only sets the stage for alot of questions that NOW have to be answered by all involved (I will give a pass on Paulus  ::MonkeyMad:: ).  The remainder of her remains MUST be found (sorry, turned over) to her family for a proper burial in the U.S. 

Aruba knows this, that is why they are stalling.  If it isn't Natalee then it is someone else and they need to find out who it is.  I never heard them request records on any other missing person except Natalee.

I agree but I do have my doubts as to the rest of the remains being found if indeed this jawbone does belong to Natalee.Miracles happen everyday I realize but that's an awful lot to hope for.If it is Natalee,as far as I'm concerned,it still isnt over,just proof she is gone which I've never thought otherwise anyway.Maybe proof she is indeed gone will give Dave and Beth peace but it wont for me.Until joran is completely held accountable for her death,I'll never rest I dont think.The who did it,why they did it,and how they did it will always haunt me I guess.A jawbone will not answer any of those questions for me so I will continue probably for the rest of my days on this earth thinking of Natalee,Dave and Beth and all the other monkeys like myself that hold her in a special place in our hearts.
On holding Joran Accountable

Maybe this is a way for Aruba to hold him accountable and protect the upper echelon of their corrupt government.

If Natalee turns up now - Peru is going to be even more outraged and if someone does him in over there than Aruba can say we returned Natalee to Beth, Joran is dead, we can’t charge a dead man or if they do charge him then Aruba can say they charged him but never had the opportunity to prosecute concerning the new evidence.


They'll have to put him in the general population for that to ever happen though.Right now or at least the last I heard,he was isolated and being protected.Not sure how all that came to be but the snake always seems to get by while the rest suffers.:(


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: can on November 22, 2010, 12:43:55 PM
Natalee's family most likely have the results now. 

May their faith and courage help them through this day, and all the ones to follow.

 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 22, 2010, 12:44:17 PM
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Meanwhile, police on Monday collected a second bone that was found earlier this month on the beach by a New Jersey family, said Ana Angela, spokeswoman for Aruban prosecutors. However, "it does not appear to be human," said Richard Roy, general manager of the Westin Hotel.

The bone was found in the same general area as the first. The family, who was staying at the Westin, put it on their hotel balcony. They told CNN that once they returned home and heard media reports on the jawbone, they called the FBI and then contacted the Westin. Staffers at the hotel found the bone on the balcony and notified police.

Thanks texasmom.

So where is this bone now?  It should be sent for testing as well. 
what did the police do when they were notified?



I have doubt that Aruba would admit to more than one human bone every 5 years as it would so mess up their One Happy Island slogan and all their tourism marketing.
Yeah I hear ya'.
Hopefully the American Press will bring this out.   If only to let the public know. 
Two bones found in one month in the same general area! 

Now that I've had my fit  and calmed down some  - Isn't this suspicious??  Why is this coming out now?  Were these American tourists?  The News of the Mandible was all over the world by Monday when this bone was found.  How could they not question it?  And who are these tourists?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tater on November 22, 2010, 12:53:19 PM
Natalee's family most likely have the results now. 

May their faith and courage help them through this day, and all the ones to follow.

 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

Deserving of a huge AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 22, 2010, 12:54:13 PM
Why after a second bone washed ashore (regardless of whether it is human or not until proper identification) are they not cordining off that beach and investigating?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 22, 2010, 01:06:59 PM
Exclusive interview with the tourist that found the "second" bone on Nancy Grace tonight per HLN.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: can on November 22, 2010, 01:15:03 PM
Exclusive interview with the tourist that found the "second" bone on Nancy Grace tonight per HLN.

Thank you! 
Wonder if this tourist took a photo.  Probably not.  sigh



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 01:15:16 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/11/22/aruba.bone.found/index.html?hpt=T2

Test results on found Aruba bone to be released Tuesday
By the CNN Wire Staff

Nancy Grace has an exclusive interview with the tourist who found the human jawbone at an Aruba beach hotel. Watch "Nancy Grace" for the latest in the investigation at 8 and 10 p.m. ET on HLN.

Oranjestad, Aruba (CNN) -- Aruban prosecutors plan to release Tuesday the results of tests conducted on a jawbone found on an island beach and disclose whether it belongs to missing teenager Natalee Holloway, officials said.

The tests, conducted at the Netherlands Forensic Institute in The Hague, Netherlands, were to first determine whether the bone is that of a human or that of an animal. If the bone is human, authorities said, they would attempt to determine through DNA testing whether it belonged to Holloway. The Alabama 18-year-old was last seen on the island in 2005.

Aruba Solicitor General Taco Stein said prosecutors will issue a statement Tuesday with test results.

Holloway's dental records were sent to the forensic institute last week, according to the FBI.

Part of a jawbone with a tooth was found this month by an American tourist near the Phoenix Hotel, a large resort on the western side of the island, Aruban prosecutor Peter Blanken said. The hotel referred questions to local authorities.

The prosecutor said the bone was initially examined by a forensic expert in Aruba, who determined that it was from a young woman. But Blanken cautioned the final determination would be made by the forensic institute.

Meanwhile, police on Monday collected a second bone that was found this month on the beach by a New Jersey family, said Ana Angela, spokeswoman for Aruban prosecutors. However, "it does not appear to be human," said Richard Roy, general manager of the Westin Hotel.

The bone was found in the same general area as the first. The family, who was staying at the Westin, put it on their hotel balcony. They told CNN that once they returned home and heard media reports on the jawbone, they called the FBI and then contacted the Westin. Staffers at the hotel found the bone on the balcony and notified police.

Holloway was last seen in the early hours of May 30, 2005, leaving an Oranjestad nightclub with Joran van der Sloot and two other men. She was visiting the island with about 100 classmates to celebrate their graduation from Mountain Brook High School in suburban Birmingham, Alabama.

Van der Sloot was detained twice in connection with Holloway's disappearance but never charged. He is now awaiting trial in Lima, Peru, on a murder charge in the death of Peruvian student Stephany Flores.

Her body was found in May in a hotel room registered to van der Sloot. A surveillance camera captured images of the two entering the room .

Van der Sloot, 23, is also charged with wire fraud and extortion in Alabama for allegedly attempting to extort more than $250,000 from Holloway's family in return for disclosing the location of her body.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 01:15:39 PM
Exclusive interview with the tourist that found the "second" bone on Nancy Grace tonight per HLN.

Thank you! 
Wonder if this tourist took a photo.  Probably not.  sigh



No they didn't.  They said they could "kick" themselves for not taking a photo.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: can on November 22, 2010, 01:16:46 PM
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Meanwhile, police on Monday collected a second bone that was found earlier this month on the beach by a New Jersey family, said Ana Angela, spokeswoman for Aruban prosecutors. However, "it does not appear to be human," said Richard Roy, general manager of the Westin Hotel.

The bone was found in the same general area as the first. The family, who was staying at the Westin, put it on their hotel balcony. They told CNN that once they returned home and heard media reports on the jawbone, they called the FBI and then contacted the Westin. Staffers at the hotel found the bone on the balcony and notified police.

Thanks texasmom.

So where is this bone now?  It should be sent for testing as well. 
what did the police do when they were notified?



I have doubt that Aruba would admit to more than one human bone every 5 years as it would so mess up their One Happy Island slogan and all their tourism marketing.
Yeah I hear ya'.
Hopefully the American Press will bring this out.   If only to let the public know. 
Two bones found in one month in the same general area! 

Now that I've had my fit  and calmed down some  - Isn't this suspicious??  Why is this coming out now?  Were these American tourists?  The News of the Mandible was all over the world by Monday when this bone was found.  How could they not question it?  And who are these tourists?

Almost everything about Aruba and their spokespersons is suspicious. imo


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: can on November 22, 2010, 01:17:39 PM
Exclusive interview with the tourist that found the "second" bone on Nancy Grace tonight per HLN.

Thank you! 
Wonder if this tourist took a photo.  Probably not.  sigh



No they didn't.  They said they could "kick" themselves for not taking a photo.

darn!  thanks Klaas.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 22, 2010, 01:26:05 PM


(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/11222010_CNN_jawbonefoundonbeach.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 22, 2010, 01:26:40 PM
Exclusive interview with the tourist that found the "second" bone on Nancy Grace tonight per HLN.

Thank you! 
Wonder if this tourist took a photo.  Probably not.  sigh



No they didn't.  They said they could "kick" themselves for not taking a photo.

I thought that was what kkthy posted.  Can was referring to the 2nd bone found near the Westin, I believe.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 22, 2010, 01:28:34 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/11/22/aruba.bone.found/index.html?hpt=T2

Test results on found Aruba bone to be released Tuesday
By the CNN Wire Staff

Nancy Grace has an exclusive interview with the tourist who found the human jawbone at an Aruba beach hotel. Watch "Nancy Grace" for the latest in the investigation at 8 and 10 p.m. ET on HLN.

Oranjestad, Aruba (CNN) -- Aruban prosecutors plan to release Tuesday the results of tests conducted on a jawbone found on an island beach and disclose whether it belongs to missing teenager Natalee Holloway, officials said.

The tests, conducted at the Netherlands Forensic Institute in The Hague, Netherlands, were to first determine whether the bone is that of a human or that of an animal. If the bone is human, authorities said, they would attempt to determine through DNA testing whether it belonged to Holloway. The Alabama 18-year-old was last seen on the island in 2005.

Aruba Solicitor General Taco Stein said prosecutors will issue a statement Tuesday with test results.

Holloway's dental records were sent to the forensic institute last week, according to the FBI.

Part of a jawbone with a tooth was found this month by an American tourist near the Phoenix Hotel, a large resort on the western side of the island, Aruban prosecutor Peter Blanken said. The hotel referred questions to local authorities.

The prosecutor said the bone was initially examined by a forensic expert in Aruba, who determined that it was from a young woman. But Blanken cautioned the final determination would be made by the forensic institute.

Meanwhile, police on Monday collected a second bone that was found this month on the beach by a New Jersey family, said Ana Angela, spokeswoman for Aruban prosecutors. However, "it does not appear to be human," said Richard Roy, general manager of the Westin Hotel.

The bone was found in the same general area as the first. The family, who was staying at the Westin, put it on their hotel balcony. They told CNN that once they returned home and heard media reports on the jawbone, they called the FBI and then contacted the Westin. Staffers at the hotel found the bone on the balcony and notified police.

Holloway was last seen in the early hours of May 30, 2005, leaving an Oranjestad nightclub with Joran van der Sloot and two other men. She was visiting the island with about 100 classmates to celebrate their graduation from Mountain Brook High School in suburban Birmingham, Alabama.

Van der Sloot was detained twice in connection with Holloway's disappearance but never charged. He is now awaiting trial in Lima, Peru, on a murder charge in the death of Peruvian student Stephany Flores.

Her body was found in May in a hotel room registered to van der Sloot. A surveillance camera captured images of the two entering the room .

Van der Sloot, 23, is also charged with wire fraud and extortion in Alabama for allegedly attempting to extort more than $250,000 from Holloway's family in return for disclosing the location of her body.

I'm wondering if they're not getting the two mixed up.

What I heard on HLN was that the interview Nancy Grace has tonight is about the "second" bone, not the jawbone.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 01:30:58 PM
Exclusive interview with the tourist that found the "second" bone on Nancy Grace tonight per HLN.

Thank you! 
Wonder if this tourist took a photo.  Probably not.  sigh



No they didn't.  They said they could "kick" themselves for not taking a photo.

I thought that was what kkthy posted.  Can was referring to the 2nd bone found near the Westin, I believe.

OH, I'm sorry, I don't know about the 2nd bone.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 22, 2010, 01:32:46 PM

(http://cartoons.diberardo.com/canadian-political-cartoons/political-cartoons-large/death-in-paradise.jpg)


http://cartoons.diberardo.com/recent-political-cartoon/girl-murdered.php

Search continues for teen missing in Aruba
Government workers join hunt for Alabama woman
Tuesday, June 7, 2005 Posted: 9:37 AM EDT (1337 GMT)


+++++++++

Thanks Klaas.

Prior the June 7, 2005 published cartoon .... Diberardo had to have been privy to inside information pertaining to Joran's May 31, 2005 declaration.  It was not until following Joran, Deepak and Satish June 9, 2005 detainment that stories were changed from the hotel drop off to the beach drop off.

I emailed Diberardo twice in the past requesting an explanation in regards to his cartoon but received no response.

BTW ... Joran's May 31, 2005 witness statement was never released to the security guards' attorneys or the Kalpoes' attorneys and ... was not reveal until May, 2008 ... three years later.

Janet
_____


Joran van der Sloot – Witness Statement – May 31, 2005

The witness VAN DER SLOOT had told me that they, in the neighborhood of the Fisherman's huts had stopped briefly.

Of which I KELLY, made under oath of duty closed and signed on Bubali May 31 2005.

SB Kelly. (signed)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2876.0


Joran Van der Sloot - Suspect Statement - June 14, 2005

At approximately 12.30 (May 31, 2005) my dad and me had arrived at Bubali police station. I was interviewed as a witness. I cannot remember that in my statement I had said that I had been at Fisherman's Huts with Natalee. I might be possible that I stated that.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=184.0


Deepak Kalpoe - Witness Statement - May 31, 2005

On your question if Joran and the girl had stepped from my car at the Fisherman’s Huts and walked by the sea; I will answer you no.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=328.0


Satish Kalpoe - Witness Statement  -May 31, 2005

On your question if Joran and the girl had gotten out of the car at the Fisherman’s Huts and walked by the sea; I answer you no. Joran and the girl never got out of Deepak’s car.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=330.0


Wednesday - June 1, 2005

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 75
  It’s cold inside the Bubali police station Wednesday morning.  At least it is to me.

Jug, Jodi, and I wait, again to give our statements.

Page 76:  Detective Jacobs says he will only take my statement, not the others’  And I have to go alone with him.  Jug and Jodi have to stay in the lobby.

The detective takes a seat at his desk and sorts through some papers before getting ready to type at his computer keyboard.  It's quiet.  I am very cold, waiting for him to begin.  As I stare at the torn documents on the table, the words Joran van der Sloot jump right off one of the ripped pager at me and pierce my eyes.  It's Joran's witness statement, torn up, lying in plain view.   So he has been here.  He has given his statement.  It has been destroyed for some reason.   Did he change his mind?   Can you even do that?  Did someone come along and decide it wasn't in Joran's best interest to go on record about what happened to Natalee?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 22, 2010, 01:35:13 PM
Jinkasaurus reported on HLN from Aruba

The second family was on vacation in Aruba from Oct 31st-Nov 10th, they were collecting shells on the beach near the end of their stay when they found what they believed to be the bone.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Curly on November 22, 2010, 01:37:41 PM
Meanwhile, police on Monday collected a second bone that was found this month on the beach by a New Jersey family, said Ana Angela, spokeswoman for Aruban prosecutors. However, "it does not appear to be human," said Richard Roy, general manager of the Westin Hotel.

The bone was found in the same general area as the first. The family, who was staying at the Westin, put it on their hotel balcony. They told CNN that once they returned home and heard media reports on the jawbone, they called the FBI and then contacted the Westin. Staffers at the hotel found the bone on the balcony and notified police.
Jawbone tested in Holloway case
Natalee Holloway's aunt on bone found
Holloway's mom confronts van der Sloot

Holloway was last seen in the early hours of May 30, 2005, leaving an Oranjestad nightclub with Joran van der Sloot and two other men. She was visiting the island with about 100 classmates to celebrate their graduation from Mountain Brook High School in suburban Birmingham, Alabama.

Van der Sloot was detained twice in connection with Holloway's disappearance but never charged. He is now awaiting trial in Lima, Peru, on a murder charge in the death of Peruvian student Stephany Flores.

Her body was found in May in a hotel room registered to van der Sloot. A surveillance camera captured images of the two entering the room .

Van der Sloot, 23, is also charged with wire fraud and extortion in Alabama for allegedly attempting to extort more than $250,000 from Holloway's family in return for disclosing the location of her body.





http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/11/22/aruba.bone.found/

Is it me, but who does that?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 22, 2010, 01:39:22 PM
Jinkasaurus reported on HLN from Aruba

The second family was on vacation in Aruba from Oct 31st-Nov 10th, they were collecting shells on the beach near the end of their stay when they found what they believed to be the bone.



Thanks, TM.  If they left that bone on the balcony, I find it odd that it was still there after two weeks.  Just sayin' 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: can on November 22, 2010, 01:41:44 PM
Exclusive interview with the tourist that found the "second" bone on Nancy Grace tonight per HLN.

Thank you! 
Wonder if this tourist took a photo.  Probably not.  sigh



No they didn't.  They said they could "kick" themselves for not taking a photo.

I thought that was what kkthy posted.  Can was referring to the 2nd bone found near the Westin, I believe.

OH, I'm sorry, I don't know about the 2nd bone.

Thanks 2NJ I was referring to the second bone.

Sorry I didn't make that clear Klaas.  Let's hope there is a photo of it and Nancy will use it as her bombshell tonight  ::MonkeyJnBox:: don't hit me!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 22, 2010, 01:45:33 PM
Clarification:

Mandible found by CT Family and Friends on Phoenix beach Nov 12

2nd Bone found on or near Phoenix beach Oct. 31 - Nov 10th - placed on balcony by NJ Family and reported to General Manager of Westin Hotel who determined it to be a rib bone. (great qulifications)

General Manager says people eat on the beach all of the time and it looks like a rib bone.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: littlebuddy598 on November 22, 2010, 01:45:41 PM
I think the bone on the balcony was the first bone. The Jaw bone was the second. They said that when they got home, they heard about the Jaw bone and then contacted FBI.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: anothermonkey on November 22, 2010, 01:46:23 PM
If the authorities are ready to make an announcement, but aren't doing so til tomorrow, does that seem to indicate to you that it IS Natalie's bone? Otherwise, why bother waiting?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: can on November 22, 2010, 01:46:53 PM
Jinkasaurus reported on HLN from Aruba

The second family was on vacation in Aruba from Oct 31st-Nov 10th, they were collecting shells on the beach near the end of their stay when they found what they believed to be the bone.



Thanks, TM.  If they left that bone on the balcony, I find it odd that it was still there after two weeks.  Just sayin' 

Me too, don't the chambermaids do a thorough clean and check balconies upon check-out so it is ready for next guests.  The balcony could be strewn with all sorts of debri, bottles, etc.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: can on November 22, 2010, 01:48:37 PM
If the authorities are ready to make an announcement, but aren't doing so til tomorrow, does that seem to indicate to you that it IS Natalie's bone? Otherwise, why bother waiting?

Hi anothermonkey - long time no see.

Yes, I agree that it seems to indicate it is Natalee's bone.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 22, 2010, 01:48:41 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/11/22/aruba.bone.found/index.html?hpt=T2

Test results on found Aruba bone to be released Tuesday
By the CNN Wire Staff

Nancy Grace has an exclusive interview with the tourist who found the human jawbone at an Aruba beach hotel. Watch "Nancy Grace" for the latest in the investigation at 8 and 10 p.m. ET on HLN.

Oranjestad, Aruba (CNN) -- Aruban prosecutors plan to release Tuesday the results of tests conducted on a jawbone found on an island beach and disclose whether it belongs to missing teenager Natalee Holloway, officials said.

The tests, conducted at the Netherlands Forensic Institute in The Hague, Netherlands, were to first determine whether the bone is that of a human or that of an animal. If the bone is human, authorities said, they would attempt to determine through DNA testing whether it belonged to Holloway. The Alabama 18-year-old was last seen on the island in 2005.

Aruba Solicitor General Taco Stein said prosecutors will issue a statement Tuesday with test results.

Holloway's dental records were sent to the forensic institute last week, according to the FBI.

Part of a jawbone with a tooth was found this month by an American tourist near the Phoenix Hotel, a large resort on the western side of the island, Aruban prosecutor Peter Blanken said. The hotel referred questions to local authorities.

The prosecutor said the bone was initially examined by a forensic expert in Aruba, who determined that it was from a young woman. But Blanken cautioned the final determination would be made by the forensic institute.

Meanwhile, police on Monday collected a second bone that was found this month on the beach by a New Jersey family, said Ana Angela, spokeswoman for Aruban prosecutors. However, "it does not appear to be human," said Richard Roy, general manager of the Westin Hotel.

The bone was found in the same general area as the first. The family, who was staying at the Westin, put it on their hotel balcony. They told CNN that once they returned home and heard media reports on the jawbone, they called the FBI and then contacted the Westin. Staffers at the hotel found the bone on the balcony and notified police.

Holloway was last seen in the early hours of May 30, 2005, leaving an Oranjestad nightclub with Joran van der Sloot and two other men. She was visiting the island with about 100 classmates to celebrate their graduation from Mountain Brook High School in suburban Birmingham, Alabama.

Van der Sloot was detained twice in connection with Holloway's disappearance but never charged. He is now awaiting trial in Lima, Peru, on a murder charge in the death of Peruvian student Stephany Flores.

Her body was found in May in a hotel room registered to van der Sloot. A surveillance camera captured images of the two entering the room .

Van der Sloot, 23, is also charged with wire fraud and extortion in Alabama for allegedly attempting to extort more than $250,000 from Holloway's family in return for disclosing the location of her body.

Thanks Klaas

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: anothermonkey on November 22, 2010, 01:51:21 PM
Hi, Can     ::MonkeyAngel::    I pop in when I can, but don't do a lot of posting.   ::MonkeyTongue::  

I think this would be really wonderful if the bone is proven to be Natalee's.  Keeping my fingers crossed.

Edited to correct the spelling of Natalee's name


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: can on November 22, 2010, 01:51:46 PM
I think the bone on the balcony was the first bone. The Jaw bone was the second. They said that when they got home, they heard about the Jaw bone and then contacted FBI.

Yes, correct.   But for the sake of the conversation today and the fact we've been discussing the mandible (that was sent to NFI) for over a week, it was referred to a the second bone. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 22, 2010, 01:52:03 PM
I think the bone on the balcony was the first bone. The Jaw bone was the second. They said that when they got home, they heard about the Jaw bone and then contacted FBI.

That is correct but the mandible was turned in first.

NG Bombshell will be about the Westin Bone.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 22, 2010, 01:54:16 PM
Janet,

Thank you for posting the correct date of Diberardo's cartoon.  I posted 6/5/05 instead of 6/7/05, earlier.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 22, 2010, 01:58:27 PM
What a day for work to be so demanding!!  ::MonkeyMad::

Caught up quickly so hope I didn't miss too much.......

The only thing that makes sense about making an announcement that there will be an announcement, is that it's big news. The only big news would be that they'll admit it's Natalee. Saying it isn't Natalee is just par for the course and wouldn't require the hoopla, IMO.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 01:59:14 PM
What exactly does this mean - anyone know?  Kalpoe  vs. Dr. Phil case.  New attorney?

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 22, 2010, 02:00:28 PM
Clarification:

Mandible found by CT Family and Friends on Phoenix beach Nov 12

2nd Bone found on or near Phoenix beach Oct. 31 - Nov 10th - placed on balcony by NJ Family and reported to General Manager of Westin Hotel who determined it to be a rib bone. (great qulifications)

General Manager says people eat on the beach all of the time and it looks like a rib bone.


I wonder how many other bones have been turned in to Hotel Managers who have decided that it was not a human bone?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 22, 2010, 02:04:38 PM
Janet,

Thank you for posting the correct date of Diberardo's cartoon.  I posted 6/5/05 instead of 6/7/05, earlier.

You are welcome

2NJ ... I never notice the date discrepancy.  I am still catching up.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 22, 2010, 02:06:04 PM
Jinkasaurus reported on HLN from Aruba

The second family was on vacation in Aruba from Oct 31st-Nov 10th, they were collecting shells on the beach near the end of their stay when they found what they believed to be the bone.



Thanks, TM.  If they left that bone on the balcony, I find it odd that it was still there after two weeks.  Just sayin' 

Me too, don't the chambermaids do a thorough clean and check balconies upon check-out so it is ready for next guests.  The balcony could be strewn with all sorts of debri, bottles, etc.

That has been our experience, can.  We've had balconies and one time a terrace on a ground floor room with a table and chairs.  Anything left there was cleaned up when we returned.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: can on November 22, 2010, 02:06:39 PM
Hi, Can     ::MonkeyAngel::    I pop in when I can, but don't do a lot of posting.   ::MonkeyTongue:: 

I think this would be really wonderful if the bone is proven to be Natalie's.  Keeping my fingers crossed.

mine are crossed too!   ::MonkeyHeart::






Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: kkthy on November 22, 2010, 02:10:28 PM
The bone that we found at the Phoenix is exactly what they are describing of the lower Jaw Bone with one intact molar.  If you touch the center of your chin and measure to where it would meet the upper jaw... about 5(ish) inches.  It still had a molar and looked VERY human.  That's the bone that we found at the Phoenis.  We turned it in and my husband and friend were interviewed for statements that same evening. (hope this helps)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 22, 2010, 02:14:10 PM
Results of jawbone tests in Aruba coming Tuesday

(NewsCore) - The office of Aruba Solicitor General Taco Stein is expected to announce Tuesday whether a jawbone found on a beach this month belonged to missing US teenager Natalee Holloway, Fox News Channel reported.

The bone was reportedly found by tourists near the Phoenix hotel on the Caribbean island and was handed over to authorities. An Aruban prosecutor said Thursday that the jawbone belonged to a young woman.

The Netherlands Forensic Institute has been examining the bone since last Monday, comparing the teeth to Holloway’s dental records, dental X-rays and teeth impressions and extracting DNA from the bone, according to Fox News Channel.

Holloway, an 18-year-old student from Mountain Brook, Ala., disappeared on May 30, 2005 during a high school graduation trip to Aruba. She was last seen by her classmates outside a chain restaurant and nightclub in Oranjestad, in a car with Joran van der Sloot and brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe.

Van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers were arrested multiple times in the Holloway case but were later released.

Van der Sloot is currently in jail in Peru and charged with the first-degree murder and robbery of 21-year-old Stephany Flores in his Lima hotel room in May. He has also been charged in the US with trying to extort $250,000 from Holloway’s family in exchange for telling them where her body is located.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/national/112210-jawbone-tests-aruba-ncx
Thanks Northern.
Since they have extracted DNA from the bone, I believe the dental records and impressions must have matched Natalee's in order for them to take this further step.
 

I agree Can.  What is taking so long for a statement from the Aruban prosecutor's office?

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 22, 2010, 02:19:32 PM
The bone that we found at the Phoenix is exactly what they are describing of the lower Jaw Bone with one intact molar.  If you touch the center of your chin and measure to where it would meet the upper jaw... about 5(ish) inches.  It still had a molar and looked VERY human.  That's the bone that we found at the Phoenis.  We turned it in and my husband and friend were interviewed for statements that same evening. (hope this helps)

Thank you, kkthy.  Klaas has been sharing your posts from the front page, therefore, most understand which bone your group found.  This report of another bone found by a NJ couple just adds to the mix.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 22, 2010, 02:20:01 PM
Klaasend do you think in light of the possible new evidence the Kalpoe Attorneys wanted to distance themselves?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: can on November 22, 2010, 02:20:36 PM
Results of jawbone tests in Aruba coming Tuesday

(NewsCore) - The office of Aruba Solicitor General Taco Stein is expected to announce Tuesday whether a jawbone found on a beach this month belonged to missing US teenager Natalee Holloway, Fox News Channel reported.

The bone was reportedly found by tourists near the Phoenix hotel on the Caribbean island and was handed over to authorities. An Aruban prosecutor said Thursday that the jawbone belonged to a young woman.

The Netherlands Forensic Institute has been examining the bone since last Monday, comparing the teeth to Holloway’s dental records, dental X-rays and teeth impressions and extracting DNA from the bone, according to Fox News Channel.

Holloway, an 18-year-old student from Mountain Brook, Ala., disappeared on May 30, 2005 during a high school graduation trip to Aruba. She was last seen by her classmates outside a chain restaurant and nightclub in Oranjestad, in a car with Joran van der Sloot and brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe.

Van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers were arrested multiple times in the Holloway case but were later released.

Van der Sloot is currently in jail in Peru and charged with the first-degree murder and robbery of 21-year-old Stephany Flores in his Lima hotel room in May. He has also been charged in the US with trying to extort $250,000 from Holloway’s family in exchange for telling them where her body is located.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/national/112210-jawbone-tests-aruba-ncx
Thanks Northern.
Since they have extracted DNA from the bone, I believe the dental records and impressions must have matched Natalee's in order for them to take this further step.
 

I agree Can.  What is taking so long for a statement from the Aruban prosecutor's office?

Janet

Hi Janet. imo -
Spin preparation  = same old BS.

I imagine Natalee's family have been notified already. 



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Blonde on November 22, 2010, 02:22:53 PM
Meanwhile, police on Monday collected a second bone that was found this month on the beach by a New Jersey family, said Ana Angela, spokeswoman for Aruban prosecutors. However, "it does not appear to be human," said Richard Roy, general manager of the Westin Hotel.

The bone was found in the same general area as the first. The family, who was staying at the Westin, put it on their hotel balcony. They told CNN that once they returned home and heard media reports on the jawbone, they called the FBI and then contacted the Westin. Staffers at the hotel found the bone on the balcony and notified police.
Jawbone tested in Holloway case
Natalee Holloway's aunt on bone found
Holloway's mom confronts van der Sloot

Holloway was last seen in the early hours of May 30, 2005, leaving an Oranjestad nightclub with Joran van der Sloot and two other men. She was visiting the island with about 100 classmates to celebrate their graduation from Mountain Brook High School in suburban Birmingham, Alabama.

Van der Sloot was detained twice in connection with Holloway's disappearance but never charged. He is now awaiting trial in Lima, Peru, on a murder charge in the death of Peruvian student Stephany Flores.

Her body was found in May in a hotel room registered to van der Sloot. A surveillance camera captured images of the two entering the room .

Van der Sloot, 23, is also charged with wire fraud and extortion in Alabama for allegedly attempting to extort more than $250,000 from Holloway's family in return for disclosing the location of her body.





http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/11/22/aruba.bone.found/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 22, 2010, 02:23:32 PM
There's a new addition to the Brochure for the Happy Island. Listed under "Things To Do":

* Sign the kids up for our daily bone scavanger hunt! Whether on our Sunny Beaches, or in our luxury hotel rooms, bones can be  found anywhere! Turn in your "finds" at 12:00pm at Carlos and Charlies for prizes! Grand Prize is a roofie filled belly shot and photo shoot! You may be an internet star!!"


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: nimrod on November 22, 2010, 02:24:38 PM
Results of jawbone tests in Aruba coming Tuesday

(NewsCore) - The office of Aruba Solicitor General Taco Stein is expected to announce Tuesday whether a jawbone found on a beach this month belonged to missing US teenager Natalee Holloway, Fox News Channel reported.

The bone was reportedly found by tourists near the Phoenix hotel on the Caribbean island and was handed over to authorities. An Aruban prosecutor said Thursday that the jawbone belonged to a young woman.

The Netherlands Forensic Institute has been examining the bone since last Monday, comparing the teeth to Holloway’s dental records, dental X-rays and teeth impressions and extracting DNA from the bone, according to Fox News Channel.

Holloway, an 18-year-old student from Mountain Brook, Ala., disappeared on May 30, 2005 during a high school graduation trip to Aruba. She was last seen by her classmates outside a chain restaurant and nightclub in Oranjestad, in a car with Joran van der Sloot and brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe.

Van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers were arrested multiple times in the Holloway case but were later released.

Van der Sloot is currently in jail in Peru and charged with the first-degree murder and robbery of 21-year-old Stephany Flores in his Lima hotel room in May. He has also been charged in the US with trying to extort $250,000 from Holloway’s family in exchange for telling them where her body is located.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/national/112210-jawbone-tests-aruba-ncx
Thanks Northern.
Since they have extracted DNA from the bone, I believe the dental records and impressions must have matched Natalee's in order for them to take this further step.
 

I agree Can.  What is taking so long for a statement from the Aruban prosecutor's office?

Janet


Maybe the delay is because they are preparing an Arrest Warrant for Joran charging him for the murder of Natalee.  We can only hope.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 22, 2010, 02:26:44 PM
Tuesday test results of jaw bone found in Aruba coming Tuesday...

Oranjestad, Aruba - In Session has confirmed with the Aruban prosecutor’s office that official results on a jawbone with an attached tooth discovered on the beach in Aruba will be announced Tuesday afternoon in Aruba.

The question is whether this jawbone that Aruban officials have said was of a young Caucasian woman are remains of Natalee Holloway who disappeared from the island in 2005.

In Session has also confirmed that Aruban police picked up a second possible bone Monday morning from the Westin hotel here on the island.

The office of the Ministerio Publico tells me the bone has been collected and is now in the custody of the police. “I can’t confirm what will come next,” PIO Ann Angela told me. She said most likely the chief of police would be calling Aruba’s Solicitor General, Taco Stein.

A New Jersey family found this possible second bone very close to the Phoenix Hotel, which is in the same general location as the original jawbone that was found by a Massachusetts couple on November 12th.

The New Jersey family collected the possible bone shortly before they left the island on November 10th.

Richard Roy, General Manager of the Westin hotel in Aruba tells CNN: “There was a bone found by a guest and it has been turned over to local authorities.” Roy says the Aruban police picked up the bone this morning. “It does not appear to be human,” he told CNN.

Roy said it was about 3 inches in length and a quarter inch in diameter. He said it was sawed off at both ends, which leads him to believe it was a spare rib, or possibly an animal bone. “People eat on the beach all the time. It could be anything,” he said. “It looks just like a rib bone.”

http://insession.blogs.cnn.com/2010/11/22/test-results-of-jaw-bone-found-in-aruba-coming-tuesday/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Frank on November 22, 2010, 02:26:46 PM
I'm one of those that don't believe in coincidences. If this is a confirmed piece of Natalee it changes nothing. Yet, I have to wonder, why now, right now at this moment two tourist families find this? And, why are we aware of it? Is Aruba being it's usual transparent or are they bungling a cover up, again?

If you believe Toyota's supposed safety problems (at a time when the U.S. Government was about to spend billions of our money "creating jobs") was a coincidence, then Natalee drowned after Joran rejected her and it takes about 5 years for a drowning victim to return to shore.

If it's not Natalee, then I ask still "why now?"


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 22, 2010, 02:27:58 PM
There's a new addition to the Brochure for the Happy Island. Listed under "Things To Do":

* Sign the kids up for our daily bone scavanger hunt! Whether on our Sunny Beaches, or in our luxury hotel rooms, bones can be  found anywhere! Turn in your "finds" at 12:00pm at Carlos and Charlies for prizes! Grand Prize is a roofie filled belly shot and photo shoot! You may be an internet star!!"

Come To Aruba, and become part of the game!    ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 22, 2010, 02:29:45 PM
The bone that we found at the Phoenix is exactly what they are describing of the lower Jaw Bone with one intact molar.  If you touch the center of your chin and measure to where it would meet the upper jaw... about 5(ish) inches.  It still had a molar and looked VERY human.  That's the bone that we found at the Phoenis.  We turned it in and my husband and friend were interviewed for statements that same evening. (hope this helps)

kkthy

Will it be you or your friend who will be appearing on tonight's Nancy Grace?

Thank you for sharing all this first hand info with us.

Janet

+++++



Natalee Holloway: Jaw Bone Found in Aruba, Sent for tests at the NFI Forensic Institute in The Hague (Pictures)
Posted November 16, 2010 by Scared Monkeys


28.  kkthy on November 17th, 2010 6:19 am
The picture is NOT the one found last Friday November 12th. I know because I was with the vacationer that found the bone on the beach in Aruba at the Phoenix. (my timeshare) The jaw bone had one molar in it still. I am praying that the Holloway family finds closure. If it’s not the Holloway family, that some other family finds closure.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/11/16/natalee-holloway-jaw-bone-found-in-aruba-sent-for-tests-at-the-nfi-forensic-institute-in-the-hague-pictures/


http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/11/22/aruba.bone.found/index.html?hpt=T2

Test results on found Aruba bone to be released Tuesday
By the CNN Wire Staff

Nancy Grace has an exclusive interview with the tourist who found the human jawbone at an Aruba beach hotel. Watch "Nancy Grace" for the latest in the investigation at 8 and 10 p.m. ET on HLN.

Oranjestad, Aruba (CNN) -- Aruban prosecutors plan to release Tuesday the results of tests conducted on a jawbone found on an island beach and disclose whether it belongs to missing teenager Natalee Holloway, officials said.

<snipped>




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 22, 2010, 02:30:16 PM
Tuesday test results of jaw bone found in Aruba coming Tuesday...

Oranjestad, Aruba - In Session has confirmed with the Aruban prosecutor’s office that official results on a jawbone with an attached tooth discovered on the beach in Aruba will be announced Tuesday afternoon in Aruba.

The question is whether this jawbone that Aruban officials have said was of a young Caucasian woman are remains of Natalee Holloway who disappeared from the island in 2005.

In Session has also confirmed that Aruban police picked up a second possible bone Monday morning from the Westin hotel here on the island.

The office of the Ministerio Publico tells me the bone has been collected and is now in the custody of the police. “I can’t confirm what will come next,” PIO Ann Angela told me. She said most likely the chief of police would be calling Aruba’s Solicitor General, Taco Stein.

A New Jersey family found this possible second bone very close to the Phoenix Hotel, which is in the same general location as the original jawbone that was found by a Massachusetts couple on November 12th.

The New Jersey family collected the possible bone shortly before they left the island on November 10th.

Richard Roy, General Manager of the Westin hotel in Aruba tells CNN: “There was a bone found by a guest and it has been turned over to local authorities.” Roy says the Aruban police picked up the bone this morning. “It does not appear to be human,” he told CNN.

Roy said it was about 3 inches in length and a quarter inch in diameter. He said it was sawed off at both ends, which leads him to believe it was a spare rib, or possibly an animal bone. “People eat on the beach all the time. It could be anything,” he said. “It looks just like a rib bone.”

http://insession.blogs.cnn.com/2010/11/22/test-results-of-jaw-bone-found-in-aruba-coming-tuesday/

“People eat on the beach all the time. It could be anything,” he said. “It looks just like a rib bone.”

Must be a new species of Pig. These have ribs with teeth.   :roll:


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on November 22, 2010, 02:30:41 PM
I'm one of those that don't believe in coincidences. If this is a confirmed piece of Natalee it changes nothing. Yet, I have to wonder, why now, right now at this moment two tourist families find this? And, why are we aware of it? Is Aruba being it's usual transparent or are they bungling a cover up, again?

If you believe Toyota's supposed safety problems (at a time when the U.S. Government was about to spend billions of our money "creating jobs") was a coincidence, then Natalee drowned after Joran rejected her and it takes about 5 years for a drowning victim to return to shore.

If it's not Natalee, then I ask still "why now?"



Those are some good questions, Frank


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 22, 2010, 02:32:58 PM
What exactly does this mean - anyone know?  Kalpoe  vs. Dr. Phil case.  New attorney?

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(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/AssocAtty3.jpg)

Looks to me like they're adding more lawyers to represent the Kalpoes.  JMO

Thanks for bringing it over Klaas, and thanks to the anonymous monkey that pays for the documents! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 22, 2010, 02:35:29 PM
Whatever the reasons to cause the bones to be found, it does change something if it's Natalee, IMO. It's the difference between Beth having Natalee's remains and Beth not being able to bring her home. That's a huge difference. That's an answer to prayer. As someone once said, "This is a big F'n deal!"

JMHO.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 22, 2010, 02:37:30 PM
TM,

I agree about the add'l attorneys for the Kalpoes.  Maybe because Girardi & Kesse are located in LA???  I don't know.  And to ask a popular question these days "why now?" 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: kkthy on November 22, 2010, 02:37:54 PM
The bone that we found at the Phoenix is exactly what they are describing of the lower Jaw Bone with one intact molar.  If you touch the center of your chin and measure to where it would meet the upper jaw... about 5(ish) inches.  It still had a molar and looked VERY human.  That's the bone that we found at the Phoenis.  We turned it in and my husband and friend were interviewed for statements that same evening. (hope this helps)

kkthy

Will it be you or your friend who will be appearing on tonight's Nancy Grace?

Thank you for sharing all this first hand info with us.

Janet

+++++



Natalee Holloway: Jaw Bone Found in Aruba, Sent for tests at the NFI Forensic Institute in The Hague (Pictures)
Posted November 16, 2010 by Scared Monkeys


28.  kkthy on November 17th, 2010 6:19 am
The picture is NOT the one found last Friday November 12th. I know because I was with the vacationer that found the bone on the beach in Aruba at the Phoenix. (my timeshare) The jaw bone had one molar in it still. I am praying that the Holloway family finds closure. If it’s not the Holloway family, that some other family finds closure.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/11/16/natalee-holloway-jaw-bone-found-in-aruba-sent-for-tests-at-the-nfi-forensic-institute-in-the-hague-pictures/


http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/11/22/aruba.bone.found/index.html?hpt=T2

Test results on found Aruba bone to be released Tuesday
By the CNN Wire Staff

Nancy Grace has an exclusive interview with the tourist who found the human jawbone at an Aruba beach hotel. Watch "Nancy Grace" for the latest in the investigation at 8 and 10 p.m. ET on HLN.

Oranjestad, Aruba (CNN) -- Aruban prosecutors plan to release Tuesday the results of tests conducted on a jawbone found on an island beach and disclose whether it belongs to missing teenager Natalee Holloway, officials said.

<snipped>




Tam,
Channel 3 Eyewitness news Hallie Jackson is coming to my home.  The person that found the "Jaw bone with the molar intact" will be there too.... along with his wife and my husband and myself.  I'm not sure who Nancy Grace is interviewing.... unless she is showing up and surprising us. LOL  eek..

I may not be back cuz of work.  I'll share what I know later.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 02:38:34 PM
The bone that we found at the Phoenix is exactly what they are describing of the lower Jaw Bone with one intact molar.  If you touch the center of your chin and measure to where it would meet the upper jaw... about 5(ish) inches.  It still had a molar and looked VERY human.  That's the bone that we found at the Phoenis.  We turned it in and my husband and friend were interviewed for statements that same evening. (hope this helps)

Thank you kkthy!  Are you and your friends going to also be interviewed by CNN (Nancy Grace) or is that the other people that found the other bone?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 22, 2010, 02:38:55 PM
Tuesday test results of jaw bone found in Aruba coming Tuesday...

Oranjestad, Aruba - In Session has confirmed with the Aruban prosecutor’s office that official results on a jawbone with an attached tooth discovered on the beach in Aruba will be announced Tuesday afternoon in Aruba.

The question is whether this jawbone that Aruban officials have said was of a young Caucasian woman are remains of Natalee Holloway who disappeared from the island in 2005.

In Session has also confirmed that Aruban police picked up a second possible bone Monday morning from the Westin hotel here on the island.

The office of the Ministerio Publico tells me the bone has been collected and is now in the custody of the police. “I can’t confirm what will come next,” PIO Ann Angela told me. She said most likely the chief of police would be calling Aruba’s Solicitor General, Taco Stein.

A New Jersey family found this possible second bone very close to the Phoenix Hotel, which is in the same general location as the original jawbone that was found by a Massachusetts couple on November 12th.

The New Jersey family collected the possible bone shortly before they left the island on November 10th.

Richard Roy, General Manager of the Westin hotel in Aruba tells CNN: “There was a bone found by a guest and it has been turned over to local authorities.” Roy says the Aruban police picked up the bone this morning. “It does not appear to be human,” he told CNN.

Roy said it was about 3 inches in length and a quarter inch in diameter. He said it was sawed off at both ends, which leads him to believe it was a spare rib, or possibly an animal bone. “People eat on the beach all the time. It could be anything,” he said. “It looks just like a rib bone.”

http://insession.blogs.cnn.com/2010/11/22/test-results-of-jaw-bone-found-in-aruba-coming-tuesday/

“People eat on the beach all the time. It could be anything,” he said. “It looks just like a rib bone.”

Must be a new species of Pig. These have ribs with teeth.   :roll:



That is about the lastest bone mentioned.  The first bone was found on Nov,10, at the Westin.
It wasn't reported until after all of the press about the bone with a tooth, found at the Divi Phoenix.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 02:41:17 PM
TM - I'm wondering if they are adding so they can actually replace the higher dollar ones?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 22, 2010, 02:45:10 PM

I'm one of those that don't believe in coincidences. If this is a confirmed piece of Natalee it changes nothing. Yet, I have to wonder, why now, right now at this moment two tourist families find this? And, why are we aware of it? Is Aruba being it's usual transparent or are they bungling a cover up, again?

If you believe Toyota's supposed safety problems (at a time when the U.S. Government was about to spend billions of our money "creating jobs") was a coincidence, then Natalee drowned after Joran rejected her and it takes about 5 years for a drowning victim to return to shore.

If it's not Natalee, then I ask still "why now?"

Especially in Aruba.

I contend there is an Aruban agenda ... an Aruban agenda to appease Beth Holloway who has been Aruba's worst nightmare ... and an agenda to get Joran back on Aruban soil ... Joran who has also turned into Aruba's worst nightmare..

Joran holds that Ace if Aruba fails to rescue him from that Peruvian lockup ... he will play that card by exposing all regarding those involved in the happenings on the morning of May 30, 2005 and ... those involved in the persuing cover up that has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway for 5 1/2 years.

IMO

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 22, 2010, 02:47:43 PM
The bone that we found at the Phoenix is exactly what they are describing of the lower Jaw Bone with one intact molar.  If you touch the center of your chin and measure to where it would meet the upper jaw... about 5(ish) inches.  It still had a molar and looked VERY human.  That's the bone that we found at the Phoenis.  We turned it in and my husband and friend were interviewed for statements that same evening. (hope this helps)

kkthy

Will it be you or your friend who will be appearing on tonight's Nancy Grace?

Thank you for sharing all this first hand info with us.

Janet

+++++



Natalee Holloway: Jaw Bone Found in Aruba, Sent for tests at the NFI Forensic Institute in The Hague (Pictures)
Posted November 16, 2010 by Scared Monkeys


28.  kkthy on November 17th, 2010 6:19 am
The picture is NOT the one found last Friday November 12th. I know because I was with the vacationer that found the bone on the beach in Aruba at the Phoenix. (my timeshare) The jaw bone had one molar in it still. I am praying that the Holloway family finds closure. If it’s not the Holloway family, that some other family finds closure.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/11/16/natalee-holloway-jaw-bone-found-in-aruba-sent-for-tests-at-the-nfi-forensic-institute-in-the-hague-pictures/


http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/11/22/aruba.bone.found/index.html?hpt=T2

Test results on found Aruba bone to be released Tuesday
By the CNN Wire Staff

Nancy Grace has an exclusive interview with the tourist who found the human jawbone at an Aruba beach hotel. Watch "Nancy Grace" for the latest in the investigation at 8 and 10 p.m. ET on HLN.

Oranjestad, Aruba (CNN) -- Aruban prosecutors plan to release Tuesday the results of tests conducted on a jawbone found on an island beach and disclose whether it belongs to missing teenager Natalee Holloway, officials said.

<snipped>




Tam,
Channel 3 Eyewitness news Hallie Jackson is coming to my home.  The person that found the "Jaw bone with the molar intact" will be there too.... along with his wife and my husband and myself.  I'm not sure who Nancy Grace is interviewing.... unless she is showing up and surprising us. LOL  eek..

I may not be back cuz of work.  I'll share what I know later.

Thank you.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 22, 2010, 02:51:16 PM
TM - I'm wondering if they are adding so they can actually replace the higher dollar ones?

Could be, but my first thought was because of their location like 2NJ said.  Lot less travel expenses involved anyway!

Maybe the "why now" is to cut their losses.   ::MonkeyWink::

2NJSons_mom posted:
Quote
TM,

I agree about the add'l attorneys for the Kalpoes.  Maybe because Girardi & Kesse are located in LA???  I don't know.  And to ask a popular question these days "why now?"



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 02:53:13 PM
TM - I'm wondering if they are adding so they can actually replace the higher dollar ones?

Could be, but my first thought was because of their location like 2NJ said.  Lot less travel expenses involved anyway!

Maybe the "why now" is to cut their losses.   ::MonkeyWink::

2NJSons_mom posted:
Quote
TM,

I agree about the add'l attorneys for the Kalpoes.  Maybe because Girardi & Kesse are located in LA???  I don't know.  And to ask a popular question these days "why now?"


Anyway, that is one of the types of documents you are never sure what it's going to be until you pay for it and open it.  I decided to go ahead and get it even though as it turns out not all that important.  Interesting none the less.  


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: littlebuddy598 on November 22, 2010, 02:56:21 PM
My thought is that Beth and the family know. Maybe they ask those idots if they would wait until tomorrow to release the report. NOT THAT ARUBA HAS ANY MORALES!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on November 22, 2010, 03:01:14 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b125/Debzie_/telegraaf112210.jpg)

HatTip/BFN ...hope that's ok, if not....Excuuuuuuuuuuzzzzzzzzzzze me.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/8288637/___Morgen_meer_bekend_over_kaak___.html?p=3,1


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 22, 2010, 03:18:56 PM
My thought is that Beth and the family know. Maybe they ask those idots if they would wait until tomorrow to release the report. NOT THAT ARUBA HAS ANY MORALES!!

They said on Fox a few minutes ago that Dave said he does not know but that he believes Holland and Aruba know.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: nonesuche on November 22, 2010, 03:20:25 PM
Thanks for posting that Nut.....if a formal announcement is planned it would lead one to think it is Natalee's.

But then with all things Aruba/Hague/this case - sanity is often absent.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Frank on November 22, 2010, 03:21:14 PM
This is such a clear case of how politics is played. I almost believe they throw this out there like a trial balloon and purposely put it in the public for consumption. Give it some time so Aruba can decide what the best response is.

It's almost irrelevant what we hear tomorrow, how do we know it's even true? I mean, this is the Natalee Holloway case.

No van der straaten, no justice.

He "know" from the first day, why do we need a jawbone story to tell us anything?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 03:22:11 PM
My thought is that Beth and the family know. Maybe they ask those idots if they would wait until tomorrow to release the report. NOT THAT ARUBA HAS ANY MORALES!!

They said on Fox a few minutes ago that Dave said he does not know but that he believes Holland and Aruba know.

Thanks CBB- I believe Red will call Beth today and see what she knows.  Also possible both Dave and Beth do know but were told not to say anything.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: dejasade on November 22, 2010, 03:22:30 PM
Thanks for posting that Nut.....if a formal announcement is planned it would lead one to think it is Natalee's.

But then with all things Aruba/Hague/this case - sanity is often absent.

I agree.  I think if it was not her, we would have definitely heard by now....


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 22, 2010, 03:30:55 PM
This is such a clear case of how politics is played. I almost believe they throw this out there like a trial balloon and purposely put it in the public for consumption. Give it some time so Aruba can decide what the best response is.

It's almost irrelevant what we hear tomorrow, how do we know it's even true? I mean, this is the Natalee Holloway case.

No van der straaten, no justice.

He "know" from the first day, why do we need a jawbone story to tell us anything?

Frank, I believe that too. I believe they are judging reaction.

Klaas, I so hope you're right. I hope Dave and Beth have been told.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 22, 2010, 03:35:56 PM
TM - I'm wondering if they are adding so they can actually replace the higher dollar ones?

Could be, but my first thought was because of their location like 2NJ said.  Lot less travel expenses involved anyway!

Maybe the "why now" is to cut their losses.   ::MonkeyWink::

2NJSons_mom posted:
Quote
TM,

I agree about the add'l attorneys for the Kalpoes.  Maybe because Girardi & Kesse are located in LA???  I don't know.  And to ask a popular question these days "why now?"


Anyway, that is one of the types of documents you are never sure what it's going to be until you pay for it and open it.  I decided to go ahead and get it even though as it turns out not all that important.  Interesting none the less.  

I appreciate your checking it out!  It is interesting imo!

Some may not realize that these documents cost money, and we are very fortunate to have someone (anonymous monkey) that is willing to pay for them so we'll know what's going on!

Thanks for keeping us up to date! ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 22, 2010, 03:40:41 PM

Maybe the delay is because they are preparing an Arrest Warrant for Joran charging him for the murder of Natalee.  We can only hope.

As long as a charge with murder does not afforded Aruba an avenue to get Joran back on Aruban soil.

Would Aruba's 2005 Natalee Holloway case take precidence over Peru's 2010 Stephanie Flores case?

Does anybody know?

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 22, 2010, 03:47:49 PM
Friday, November 19, 2010
Natalee Holloway's mother issues statement on jawbone testing


Natalee’s mother released this statement today:

"There is no good answer, whether it is Natalee or whether it isn't. But no answer at all is the most unbearable. We appreciate everyone's loving care and concern and are anxious about the developments."

http://www.foxalabamanews.com/2010/11/natalee-holloways-mother-issues.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Curly on November 22, 2010, 03:47:55 PM
Janet,
     I don't KNOW, but Joran is awaiting trial in Peru. There is no extradition treaty with Aruba or the Netherlands. It's my beleif that Joran will serve his sentence (hopefully be murdered in Castro Castro). then be sent to stand trial in the US where charges have already been filed against him. If he ever makes it back to Aruba, he'll be an old man.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lifesong on November 22, 2010, 03:48:17 PM

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3596/3320143691_4de7eb1177_z.jpg?zz=1)


Quote from: Magnolia
I think we agreed years ago that there was no lower jaw
on the skull in that cage.  JMO

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3620/3320144157_4a5031dd8e_z.jpg?zz=1)

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3569/3320144389_a7a02d2cf8.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: nonesuche on November 22, 2010, 03:54:58 PM
This is such a clear case of how politics is played. I almost believe they throw this out there like a trial balloon and purposely put it in the public for consumption. Give it some time so Aruba can decide what the best response is.

It's almost irrelevant what we hear tomorrow, how do we know it's even true? I mean, this is the Natalee Holloway case.

No van der straaten, no justice.

He "know" from the first day, why do we need a jawbone story to tell us anything?

I would hope and pray that our state dept is involved at least on the periphery of this testing and IF it's reported it is Natalee's, that they step in to verify those results with experts the US can trust.

IMO the real value of this is evidential but for a measure of validation/closure for this family that has suffered so many long years.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 03:56:05 PM
Janet,
     I don't KNOW, but Joran is awaiting trial in Peru. There is no extradition treaty with Aruba or the Netherlands. It's my beleif that Joran will serve his sentence (hopefully be murdered in Castro Castro). then be sent to stand trial in the US where charges have already been filed against him. If he ever makes it back to Aruba, he'll be an old man.

I agree Curly and I seriously doubt that even if he were convicted of murder in Aruba he would spend any real time in jail there.  I do believe Peru and the US are our best bets for justice.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 22, 2010, 03:57:43 PM
Janet,
     I don't KNOW, but Joran is awaiting trial in Peru. There is no extradition treaty with Aruba or the Netherlands. It's my beleif that Joran will serve his sentence (hopefully be murdered in Castro Castro). then be sent to stand trial in the US where charges have already been filed against him. If he ever makes it back to Aruba, he'll be an old man.

I realize that there is no extradition treaty between Peru and Aruba but ... I am so suspicious that negotiations are going on behind the scenes ... negotiations that will spare Joran from serving a good portion of his life in a Peruvian lockup.  Even Stephany's father who has political influence in Peru is disgusted by what appears to be  preferential treatment of Joran.

Hey ... what will be will be.

Janet

++++++


Ricardo Flores:

'Joran lives like a king in jail.'

'It is shameful what happens in prisons. I think the INPE has to give the same treatment to all criminals.'

'Unfortunately it seems that there are laws in Congress to protect the criminal, not to try and sentence them.'

November, 2010

http://www.generaccion.com/noticia/83737/familia-flores-aseguran-que-joran-van-der-sloot-vive-como-rey



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lifesong on November 22, 2010, 04:02:42 PM

I hope that tomorrow afternoon, post-announcement, sees the beginning of a call for the free and full release and analysis of the ROV video that recorded the January 7, 2008 Aruban recovery of the human remains in the crab trap found by the crew of the Persistence.





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 04:03:35 PM
Posted on the front page of SM (I wonder too):

Quote
P.M. 1
2010/11/22 at 3:23 pm

I wonder if the bone comes back as Natalee, if the Kalpoe bros. will start singing – esp. knowing that Joran could turn on them in some sort of plea deal.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 22, 2010, 04:03:52 PM
Klaas

Thank you for the Phil McGraw/Kalpoes document.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: littlebuddy598 on November 22, 2010, 04:04:06 PM
I like all Monkey's want the results. I just wonder if it might be someone else and they contacting the family? 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 04:04:49 PM

I hope that tomorrow afternoon, post-announcement, sees the beginning of a call for the free and full release and analysis of the ROV video that recorded the January 7, 2008 Aruban recovery of the human remains in the crab trap found by the crew of the Persistence.





I hope too but I'm not holding my breath.  More likely they will say a further search found more remains of Natalee and they are giving her back to her family.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 04:05:36 PM
I like all Monkey's want the results. I just wonder if it might be someone else and they contacting the family? 

Could be but YOU WOULD THINK if it's NOT Natalee they would just come out and say it.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 22, 2010, 04:07:30 PM

I hope that tomorrow afternoon, post-announcement, sees the beginning of a call for the free and full release and analysis of the ROV video that recorded the January 7, 2008 Aruban recovery of the human remains in the crab trap found by the crew of the Persistence.





I hope too but I'm not holding my breath.  More likely they will say a further search found more remains of Natalee and they are giving her back to her family.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

I never thought about that.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: AZSunny on November 22, 2010, 04:07:39 PM

I hope that tomorrow afternoon, post-announcement, sees the beginning of a call for the free and full release and analysis of the ROV video that recorded the January 7, 2008 Aruban recovery of the human remains in the crab trap found by the crew of the Persistence.





I hope too but I'm not holding my breath.  More likely they will say a further search found more remains of Natalee and they are giving her back to her family.

I wonder if they wouldn't continue to hold on to the bone/bones if needed for prosecution.  Is the record of findings and the reports enough for trial and they could release the bone/s??


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: AZSunny on November 22, 2010, 04:08:48 PM

I hope that tomorrow afternoon, post-announcement, sees the beginning of a call for the free and full release and analysis of the ROV video that recorded the January 7, 2008 Aruban recovery of the human remains in the crab trap found by the crew of the Persistence.





I hope too but I'm not holding my breath.  More likely they will say a further search found more remains of Natalee and they are giving her back to her family.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

I never thought about that.

Janet

Was that further search done with a backhoe?   Or are they going to look in that top cabinet drawer?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 22, 2010, 04:09:10 PM
Jinkasaurus on HLN

Just received an email from a close friend of Beth:

Beth has not been personally contacted about the results, and believes this to be just one more road well traveled by her with Aruba...leading to absolutely nowhere.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 04:10:49 PM
Jinkasaurus on HLN

Just received an email from a close friend of Beth:

Beth has not been personally contacted about the results, and believes this to be just one more road well traveled by her with Aruba...leading to absolutely nowhere.

How disappointing if true and how cruel


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: FloridaKatz on November 22, 2010, 04:11:47 PM
Was just watching HL News and they were speaking with Jean Kisaras.  She says she was in contact with a relative of Beth's who stated that Beth has not been contacted directly by Aruban authorities since the jawbone was found.  She went on to say that Beth stated this is a road that she has traveled down many times before.

If they are going to announce via mass email tomorrow what the results are of the jawbone, if it is Natalee's, then they only have 12 hours or so to contact Beth and/or Dave Holloway.

Urrrrrggggggghhhhhh.  Why prolong it.  Just come out now and tell what you know Aruba !   ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 22, 2010, 04:12:09 PM

I hope that tomorrow afternoon, post-announcement, sees the beginning of a call for the free and full release and analysis of the ROV video that recorded the January 7, 2008 Aruban recovery of the human remains in the crab trap found by the crew of the Persistence.





I hope too but I'm not holding my breath.  More likely they will say a further search found more remains of Natalee and they are giving her back to her family.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

I never thought about that.

Janet

Was that further search done with a backhoe?   Or are they going to look in that top cabinet drawer?

Both?

Could it be that Natalee's remains will be retrieved from the "top cabinet drawer" but Aruba will claim they were recovered in the backhoe search of the beach?

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 04:12:48 PM
FWIW

Glenda PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 3:48 pm       

I predict that this bone / tooth is not related to the case.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 22, 2010, 04:14:07 PM
Jinkasaurus on HLN

Just received an email from a close friend of Beth:

Beth has not been personally contacted about the results, and believes this to be just one more road well traveled by her with Aruba...leading to absolutely nowhere.

How disappointing if true and how cruel

I agree.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: anothermonkey on November 22, 2010, 04:15:05 PM
http://www.brabantsdagblad.nl/regios/7671388/Gevonden-kaak-Aruba-van-Natalee.ece

According to Google Translate...

Dutch to English translation
CURAÇAO - The lower jaw that November 12 was found on Aruba Natalee Holloway, who disappeared in 2005 after a night out on the Caribbean island. Curacao reported that a radio producer on Twitter based on "an anonymous source." There is an official confirmation yet.

The Dutch Forensic Institute (NFI), which examines the jaw since the discovery has not yet officially reported. Probably tomorrow with the institute's findings.

Natalee Holloway disappeared in 2005 during a trip with her school. Despite great quests on the island, has never found evidence for the death of the teenager. The Dutchman Joran van der Sloot was the last person seen with her and is still suspected of the disappearance. Currently, Van der Sloot down in Peru on suspicion of one (not the Holloway-case related) murder of a young woman.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 04:15:08 PM
Was just watching HL News and they were speaking with Jean Kisaras.  She says she was in contact with a relative of Beth's who stated that Beth has not been contacted directly by Aruban authorities since the jawbone was found.  She went on to say that Beth stated this is a road that she has traveled down many times before.

If they are going to announce via mass email tomorrow what the results are of the jawbone, if it is Natalee's, then they only have 12 hours or so to contact Beth and/or Dave Holloway.

Urrrrrggggggghhhhhh.  Why prolong it.  Just come out now and tell what you know Aruba !   ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::

IF THEY THINK THEY ARE SAVING THEMSELVES OR LOOKING BETTER TO POTENTIAL TOURISTS BY PLAYING THIS GAME THEY ARE WRONG.  WHATEVER THE ANSWER TOMORROW ARUBA SUCKS  - DON'T GO THERE.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: anothermonkey on November 22, 2010, 04:16:15 PM
I hope this person (the source in the article above) knows what they're talking about.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on November 22, 2010, 04:18:36 PM
Jinkasaurus on HLN

Just received an email from a close friend of Beth:

Beth has not been personally contacted about the results, and believes this to be just one more road well traveled by her with Aruba...leading to absolutely nowhere.

How disappointing if true and how cruel

If this is Natalee I truly believe they will be protecting their own first.  Notifying Anita first and getting her hidden or out of dodge.  What worries me the most is that they have not sealed off the beach, did the large equipment clean up so the tourists are happy and have no interest of ever finding Natalee.  Is there a Donkey missing that they will say with test results in hand tomorrow that the bone belongs to?  Stranger things have happened. Why would they wait till Tuesday other than to give heads up to media so hotel rooms are full with them arriving and to give Anita time to scurry off in a dark corner?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on November 22, 2010, 04:22:23 PM
http://www.brabantsdagblad.nl/regios/7671388/Gevonden-kaak-Aruba-van-Natalee.ece

According to Google Translate...

Dutch to English translation
CURAÇAO - The lower jaw that November 12 was found on Aruba Natalee Holloway, who disappeared in 2005 after a night out on the Caribbean island. Curacao reported that a radio producer on Twitter based on "an anonymous source." There is an official confirmation yet.

The Dutch Forensic Institute (NFI), which examines the jaw since the discovery has not yet officially reported. Probably tomorrow with the institute's findings.

Natalee Holloway disappeared in 2005 during a trip with her school. Despite great quests on the island, has never found evidence for the death of the teenager. The Dutchman Joran van der Sloot was the last person seen with her and is still suspected of the disappearance. Currently, Van der Sloot down in Peru on suspicion of one (not the Holloway-case related) murder of a young woman.

He has been tweeting all morning.  Not sure what to think of him

Name Johnathan R. Samson
Location Amsterdam / Curaçao
Bio All the BREAKING NEWS from Curacao, FIRST! --------- 22-y/o law student, radio programmer & board member of Kiva. Blind for replies containing question marks
http://twitter.com/MinisterSamson


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: FloridaKatz on November 22, 2010, 04:23:09 PM
I found this picture on Google Earth.  It's a picture of the south jetty at the Divi Phoenix.  Notice how calm the water is, and also notice, no seashells washing ashore.  Hmmmmm......


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 04:28:25 PM
Reminder that anyone can tweet and/or post anything

http://twitter.com/MinisterSamson

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on November 22, 2010, 04:29:27 PM
Just plain torture.... they know and they can't/won't tell. Can you even imagine what a long night this will be for Natalee's family...can you even imagine.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on November 22, 2010, 04:29:56 PM
RT @TeleEsther: Volgens @MinisterSamson is kaak idd van Natalee Holloway. Nieuws echter nog onbevestigd. Morgenav (NL tijd) persco op Aruba

RT @ telegraph tele Esther: @ According Minister Samson is jaw ID of Natalee Holloway. News is still unconfirmed. Morgenav (UK time) on Aruba persco
1 minute ago by Gravity

http://twitter.com/telegraaf



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 22, 2010, 04:31:12 PM
Just plain torture.... they know and they can't/won't tell. Can you even imagine what a long night this will be for Natalee's family...can you even imagine.

 ::MonkeyTears::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Blonde on November 22, 2010, 04:32:19 PM
I have to say I'm not feeling it.
It may be because of the five years of Bull Shit from Aruba
 We have human remains in the crab trap found by the crew of the Persistence.NO Natalee
 I like Beth believethis  this to be just one more road well traveled road with Aruba...leading to absolutely nowhere.
I JUST DON"T TRUST THEM


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on November 22, 2010, 04:32:49 PM
"Found jaw Aruba Natalee '
Monday, November 22, 2010 | 7:44 p.m. | Last updated: Monday, November 22, 2010 | 8:49 p.m.

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Reuters
 
CURAÇAO - The lower jaw that November 12 was found on Aruba Natalee Holloway, who disappeared in 2005 after a night out on the Caribbean island. Curacao reported that a radio producer on Twitter based on "an anonymous source." There is an official confirmation yet.


The Dutch Forensic Institute (NFI), which examines the jaw since the discovery has not yet officially reported. Probably tomorrow with the institute's findings.

Natalee Holloway disappeared in 2005 during a trip with her school. Despite great quests on the island, has never found evidence for the death of the teenager. The Dutchman Joran van der Sloot was the last person seen with her and is still suspected of the disappearance. Currently, Van der Sloot down in Peru on suspicion of one (not the Holloway-case related) murder of a young woman.

http://www.bndestem.nl/nieuws/algemeen/binnenland/7671388/%27Gevonden-kaak-Aruba-van-Natalee%27.ece


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 04:33:00 PM
RT @TeleEsther: Volgens @MinisterSamson is kaak idd van Natalee Holloway. Nieuws echter nog onbevestigd. Morgenav (NL tijd) persco op Aruba

RT @ telegraph tele Esther: @ According Minister Samson is jaw ID of Natalee Holloway. News is still unconfirmed. Morgenav (UK time) on Aruba persco
1 minute ago by Gravity

http://twitter.com/telegraaf



Thanks


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on November 22, 2010, 04:33:38 PM
Been reading here and there when able.. as MUCH as I would like this to be answers for Nats family.. I once again .. am not holding my breath.  We been jerked off toooooooooooo many time over the last 5 years.
 People wander were RENHO is? Shes probably out teaching FLUFFIN lessons !!!!!!!!!!!!  How can one talk with a mouth full of...   nevermind........ 
                             (http://bestsmileys.com/eating1/5.gif)


Busy day for me and tomorrow.. but keeping the family in my prayers that they get answers... ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on November 22, 2010, 04:34:33 PM
I have to say I'm not feeling it.
It may be because of the five years of Bull Shit from Aruba
 We have human remains in the crab trap found by the crew of the Persistence.NO Natalee
 I like Beth believethis  this to be just one more road well traveled road with Aruba...leading to absolutely nowhere.
I JUST DON"T TRUST THEM


 I agree with you Blonde.. and its not that I am being rude.. just not getting excited about it.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on November 22, 2010, 04:35:20 PM
Just plain torture.... they know and they can't/won't tell. Can you even imagine what a long night this will be for Natalee's family...can you even imagine.


 Pathetic.. and sucks donkey balls.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 22, 2010, 04:37:09 PM
Reminder that anyone can tweet and/or post anything

http://twitter.com/MinisterSamson

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Thanks Klaas.

Who is Minister Samson?  Is from the Aruban or Dutch Aministration.  I tried a quick Google.  Nothing.  I have HLN on in the background.  Nothing yet.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on November 22, 2010, 04:38:53 PM
RT @TeleEsther: Volgens @MinisterSamson is kaak idd van Natalee Holloway. Nieuws echter nog onbevestigd. Morgenav (NL tijd) persco op Aruba

RT @ telegraph tele Esther: @ According Minister Samson is jaw ID of Natalee Holloway. News is still unconfirmed. Morgenav (UK time) on Aruba persco
1 minute ago by Gravity

http://twitter.com/telegraaf



Thanks

Minister Samson (who ever he is) is the only source saying it is Natalee's jawbone based on his "anonymous source".  NL press is picking it up and starting to spread it.   ::MonkeyNoNo::  Would be nice if Aruba just sent their massive emails now before his tweets spread more. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 04:41:25 PM
Reminder - until we hear officially from either the prosecution or Beth or Dave don't believe anything!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on November 22, 2010, 04:41:39 PM
"Found jaw of Natalee
      - By Ronald (Djeez) on 11/22/2010 @ 9:32 p.m.
 
The jaw was found last week in fact of Natalee Holloway. This maintains a radio producer Curaçao just on Twitter.

Although the news has not officially confirmed, was known for some time that the piece of bone belonging to the body of a young woman. The Dutch Forensic Institute (NFI), the jaw since the discovery in research. Probably tomorrow in the institute is to confirm or deny.

The American girl disappeared five years ago without a trace during a vacation in Aruba. Although the whole island wed in detail, the body was never found. The prime suspect in the case Joran van der Sloot, who is currently stuck in Peru.

http://frontpage.fok.nl/nieuws/416376/1/1/50/gevonden-kaak-is-van-natalee.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on November 22, 2010, 04:42:55 PM
Reminder - until we hear officially from either the prosecution or Beth or Dave don't believe anything!

A BIG AMEN  TO THAT.. and YES.. I am SHOUTING !!!!!!!!!!!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on November 22, 2010, 04:43:25 PM
Reminder - until we hear officially from either the prosecution or Beth or Dave don't believe anything!

A BIG AMEN  TO THAT.. and YES.. I am SHOUTING !!!!!!!!!!!  ::MonkeyCool::

Hey Angie  ::HelloKitty:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on November 22, 2010, 04:46:00 PM
Reminder that anyone can tweet and/or post anything

http://twitter.com/MinisterSamson

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Thanks Klaas.

Who is Minister Samson?  Is from the Aruban or Dutch Aministration.  I tried a quick Google.  Nothing.  I have HLN on in the background.  Nothing yet.

Janet

Don't know but here is his FB http://www.facebook.com/johnathansamson


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: BooMonkey on November 22, 2010, 04:47:11 PM
There's a new addition to the Brochure for the Happy Island. Listed under "Things To Do":

* Sign the kids up for our daily bone scavanger hunt! Whether on our Sunny Beaches, or in our luxury hotel rooms, bones can be  found anywhere! Turn in your "finds" at 12:00pm at Carlos and Charlies for prizes! Grand Prize is a roofie filled belly shot and photo shoot! You may be an internet star!!"

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: I have no doubt this will be on the activities list!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: littlebuddy598 on November 22, 2010, 04:47:32 PM
My Dad was  a Baptist preacher, and I was taught not to HATE. But I'm sorry Daddy, But I HATE ARUBA. GOD BE WITH BETH AND THE FAMILY AS THEY GO THROUGH THIS AGAIN.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on November 22, 2010, 04:48:10 PM
And Hey  ::HelloKitty:: to kgwallace88, Angiex911dsptchr, 2NJSons_Mom, Tamikosmom, Tater, BooMonkey, littlebuddy598, trimmonthelake, Northern Rose, texasmom, BlueKYGirl, ksupon, pink angel, Roxie, Lynnie76, tbivens, missbeach, Kimmy53, no rose colored glasses, cecilita (+ 1 Hidden) and 62 Guests are viewing this topic.

I think it's very cruel to the Holloway and Twitty families for information concerning the identity of the jawbone found to be withheld pending an announcement tomorrow.   Why the wait?  Why the big, formal announcement?   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tater on November 22, 2010, 04:50:51 PM
Just plain torture.... they know and they can't/won't tell. Can you even imagine what a long night this will be for Natalee's family...can you even imagine.

 ::MonkeyTears::

Well I for one happen to think that Dave and Beth both have nerves of steel and they wont be losing much sleep at all.They will in all of their elegant fashion,simply wait for the results like everyone else.Beth is one tough cookie and is getting tougher each day as time goes on.She was able to go into the same room at a horrible prison and sit within striking distance of the one that took her daughters life without taking a shot.I doubt  I could have ever done that.Many of us have prayed for strength on their behalf and I will continue to do so because obviously God has been listening..


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on November 22, 2010, 04:53:07 PM
Reminder - until we hear officially from either the prosecution or Beth or Dave don't believe anything!

A BIG AMEN  TO THAT.. and YES.. I am SHOUTING !!!!!!!!!!!  ::MonkeyCool::

Hey Angie  ::HelloKitty:: 

 Hi Muffy honey !!

Perhaps ONE of these days.. Wreck.. Robots and me will get to smoke the fancy cigar I promised them years ago !!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on November 22, 2010, 04:54:35 PM
Reminder - until we hear officially from either the prosecution or Beth or Dave don't believe anything!

A BIG AMEN  TO THAT.. and YES.. I am SHOUTING !!!!!!!!!!!  ::MonkeyCool::

Hey Angie  ::HelloKitty:: 

 Hi Muffy honey !!

Perhaps ONE of these days.. Wreck.. Robots and me will get to smoke the fancy cigar I promised them years ago !!!

I hope that day comes soon, Angie. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on November 22, 2010, 04:57:49 PM
Reminder that anyone can tweet and/or post anything

http://twitter.com/MinisterSamson

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/JSampsonTwitter.jpg)



Thanks Klaas.

Who is Minister Samson?  Is from the Aruban or Dutch Aministration.  I tried a quick Google.  Nothing.  I have HLN on in the background.  Nothing yet.

Janet

Don't know but here is his FB http://www.facebook.com/johnathansamson

His old Twitter account where among other things he says " I used to enjoy drunk texting."

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:5Qxs0f6AtXAJ:twitter.com/Feestboek+JohnnyYouTwit&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on November 22, 2010, 05:02:10 PM
Reminder - until we hear officially from either the prosecution or Beth or Dave don't believe anything!

A BIG AMEN  TO THAT.. and YES.. I am SHOUTING !!!!!!!!!!!  ::MonkeyCool::

Hey Angie  ::HelloKitty:: 

 Hi Muffy honey !!

Perhaps ONE of these days.. Wreck.. Robots and me will get to smoke the fancy cigar I promised them years ago !!!

I hope that day comes soon, Angie. 


Same here Muffy..,, !! 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: kgwallace88 on November 22, 2010, 05:05:48 PM
Hi Muffybee!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on November 22, 2010, 05:06:50 PM
Prayers for answers !  ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

Have my lil Grandaughter and shes waking up from a nap.. Have a great night.

 ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 22, 2010, 05:08:58 PM

I hope that tomorrow afternoon, post-announcement, sees the beginning of a call for the free and full release and analysis of the ROV video that recorded the January 7, 2008 Aruban recovery of the human remains in the crab trap found by the crew of the Persistence.




The FBI has digital imagery machinery and experts that can tell if those are human remains in the crab trab - Don't you think they have seen those photos by now? If you not then why don't you send them?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tater on November 22, 2010, 05:12:23 PM
 ::HelloKitty:: right back at ya Miss MuffyBee..:)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 22, 2010, 05:12:54 PM
And Hey  ::HelloKitty:: to kgwallace88, Angiex911dsptchr, 2NJSons_Mom, Tamikosmom, Tater, BooMonkey, littlebuddy598, trimmonthelake, Northern Rose, texasmom, BlueKYGirl, ksupon, pink angel, Roxie, Lynnie76, tbivens, missbeach, Kimmy53, no rose colored glasses, cecilita (+ 1 Hidden) and 62 Guests are viewing this topic.

I think it's very cruel to the Holloway and Twitty families for information concerning the identity of the jawbone found to be withheld pending an announcement tomorrow.   Why the wait?  Why the big, formal announcement?   ::MonkeyNoNo::

From the getgo ... empathy for Natalee Holloway's family has NEVER been a priority.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

++++++

Flashback - May 31, 2005

Loving Natalee – Beth Holloway

Page 58:
  Detective Jacobs asks us to come to the police station in Bubali in about an hour to give our official statements.

Page 59:  Jug, Jodi, and I arrive at Bubali at eight o’clock sharp …

Detective Jacobs is sitting behind the counter in a reclining swivel office chair.  As we move toward him, he leans back in his chair.  “We’re ready to give our statements,” we say, anxious to tell him the facts about Natalee’s disappearance we’ve gathered thus far, so that an investigation can get under way.

Page 60:  He pushes one hand and then the other down and across his belly, which is extended by his rearing back.  He says, “I’ll have to eat my frosted flakes first,” and then, running a hand across his jaw, adds, “and get a shave before I can deal with you.”  And with that he gets up from the chair, exits through the little swinging door, and disappears ….

A half hour passes.  Then an hour.  I wish there was an American law enforcement contact here to help us, someone to act as a liaison.  I wish there was an American law enforcement contact here to help us, someone to act as a liaison.  I get up from the plastic chair, go outside, and sit down in the gravel driveway ….

I’m outside about thirty minutes when another officer, police chief Jan van der Straten, comes out to the driveway and tells me bluntly and curtly to get up.  “You can’t sit in the gravel like this.  Come back inside.”

Inside, two more hours pass …

After almost three hours detective Jacobs comes back into the waiting area and tells me he doesn’t need me today.



 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 05:14:33 PM

I hope that tomorrow afternoon, post-announcement, sees the beginning of a call for the free and full release and analysis of the ROV video that recorded the January 7, 2008 Aruban recovery of the human remains in the crab trap found by the crew of the Persistence.




The FBI has digital imagery machinery and experts that can tell if those are human remains in the crab trab - Don't you think they have seen those photos by now? If you not then why don't you send them?

Lisa in MD
- I can see by your post you must not have followed the case very closely or you would have never said that to Lifesong.  Many of us here have been sending information directly to the FBI for 5.5 years, including Lifesong. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: jen3560 on November 22, 2010, 05:17:39 PM

I hope that tomorrow afternoon, post-announcement, sees the beginning of a call for the free and full release and analysis of the ROV video that recorded the January 7, 2008 Aruban recovery of the human remains in the crab trap found by the crew of the Persistence.




The FBI has digital imagery machinery and experts that can tell if those are human remains in the crab trab - Don't you think they have seen those photos by now? If you not then why don't you send them?

Lisa in MD
- I can see by your post you must not have followed the case very closely or you would have never said that to Lifesong.  Many of us here have been sending information directly to the FBI for 5.5 years, including Lifesong. 

Tone of this poster sounds awfully familiar.  Just sayin........

IMO - Watch for the distractions we have seen come and go over 5.5 years - try not to take the line at this possibly terribly important time.......


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: BoxerDawg on November 22, 2010, 05:19:43 PM
Where's that dang'd link to Natalee's candles?  I feel the need!  The need to light 'em up!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on November 22, 2010, 05:19:48 PM
Reminder - until we hear officially from either the prosecution or Beth or Dave don't believe anything!

Glenda speaks...... RU

Glenda wrote:
I predict that this bone / tooth is not related to the case.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 05:19:57 PM
 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 05:21:08 PM
Where's that dang'd link to Natalee's candles?  I feel the need!  The need to light 'em up!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 22, 2010, 05:21:46 PM

I hope that tomorrow afternoon, post-announcement, sees the beginning of a call for the free and full release and analysis of the ROV video that recorded the January 7, 2008 Aruban recovery of the human remains in the crab trap found by the crew of the Persistence.




The FBI has digital imagery machinery and experts that can tell if those are human remains in the crab trab - Don't you think they have seen those photos by now? If you not then why don't you send them?

Lisa in MD
- I can see by your post you must not have followed the case very closely or you would have never said that to Lifesong.  Many of us here have been sending information directly to the FBI for 5.5 years, including Lifesong. 
I understand that yes, I have followed maybe not as close as some and more than others - and yes I know that many of you have been sending stuff to the FBI so I assume that the FBI has seen these?  Would they not be able to tell if they were human ramains?  I am not trying to hurt anyones feelings please don't take it personal.  I am asking a question?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: jen3560 on November 22, 2010, 05:21:52 PM

I hope that tomorrow afternoon, post-announcement, sees the beginning of a call for the free and full release and analysis of the ROV video that recorded the January 7, 2008 Aruban recovery of the human remains in the crab trap found by the crew of the Persistence.





I'm hopeful for that as well, Lifesong.  It's long overdue.  Aruba's admission to Tim Miller that there were, in fact, human remains recovered from that cage was a big gaffe on their part - and one I hope they are not allowed to keep under that big rug of theirs!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on November 22, 2010, 05:22:45 PM
 ::MonkeyHaHa::

   

resigned wrote:
Time for another AHATA clean-up. The cameramen are coming.....


Glenda Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 7:32 pm
No need to clean up, Aruba is already clean and beautiful. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: jen3560 on November 22, 2010, 05:22:46 PM
Where's that dang'd link to Natalee's candles?  I feel the need!  The need to light 'em up!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0

Thanks Klaas.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Blonde on November 22, 2010, 05:23:37 PM

I hope that tomorrow afternoon, post-announcement, sees the beginning of a call for the free and full release and analysis of the ROV video that recorded the January 7, 2008 Aruban recovery of the human remains in the crab trap found by the crew of the Persistence.




The FBI has digital imagery machinery and experts that can tell if those are human remains in the crab trab - Don't you think they have seen those photos by now? If you not then why don't you send them?


PLEASE READ here The Ocean Search for Natalee Holloway


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4145.0


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 05:23:39 PM
Lisa in MD - I suggest we all wait until we get official confirmation directly from the FAMILY one way or the other on the jawbone before we start questioning what happened to the contents of the cage.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 22, 2010, 05:23:54 PM
FWIW

Glenda PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 3:48 pm       

I predict that this bone / tooth is not related to the case.

Back reading, but that's ominous, IMO. They'd talk to the likes of Renho before they'd have the decency to give Natalee's parents a consideration. I hate them all.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tater on November 22, 2010, 05:24:04 PM

I hope that tomorrow afternoon, post-announcement, sees the beginning of a call for the free and full release and analysis of the ROV video that recorded the January 7, 2008 Aruban recovery of the human remains in the crab trap found by the crew of the Persistence.





I'm hopeful for that as well, Lifesong.  It's long overdue.  Aruba's admission to Tim Miller that there were, in fact, human remains recovered from that cage was a big gaffe on their part - and one I hope they are not allowed to keep under that big rug of theirs!

Oh my,I didnt know Aruba admitted that! Well then.................


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: BoxerDawg on November 22, 2010, 05:24:50 PM
Where's that dang'd link to Natalee's candles?  I feel the need!  The need to light 'em up!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0

Ahhhhhhh ... thank you.  That helped.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 22, 2010, 05:25:05 PM
Lisa in MD - I suggest we all wait until we get official confirmation directly from the FAMILY one way or the other on the jawbone before we start questioning what happened to the contents of the cage.
Ouch!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: cecilita on November 22, 2010, 05:25:43 PM
if the jaw bone belongs to Natalee...Beth may know at this time if the bone belongs to Natalee.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 05:26:43 PM
::MonkeyHaHa::

   

resigned wrote:
Time for another AHATA clean-up. The cameramen are coming.....


Glenda Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 7:32 pm
No need to clean up, Aruba is already clean and beautiful. 


This was my favorite  ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/ResignedGlendaRU112110.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 22, 2010, 05:32:21 PM

I hope that tomorrow afternoon, post-announcement, sees the beginning of a call for the free and full release and analysis of the ROV video that recorded the January 7, 2008 Aruban recovery of the human remains in the crab trap found by the crew of the Persistence.




The FBI has digital imagery machinery and experts that can tell if those are human remains in the crab trab - Don't you think they have seen those photos by now? If you not then why don't you send them?

Lisa in MD
- I can see by your post you must not have followed the case very closely or you would have never said that to Lifesong.  Many of us here have been sending information directly to the FBI for 5.5 years, including Lifesong. 
I understand that yes, I have followed maybe not as close as some and more than others - and yes I know that many of you have been sending stuff to the FBI so I assume that the FBI has seen these?  Would they not be able to tell if they were human ramains?  I am not trying to hurt anyones feelings please don't take it personal.  I am asking a question?

None of us has ever had access to the ROV Video footage.  We only have access to still shots.
The people on the Persistence have the video and have tried to sell it both in the US and abroad.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Blonde on November 22, 2010, 05:34:10 PM
::MonkeyHaHa::

   

resigned wrote:
Time for another AHATA clean-up. The cameramen are coming.....


Glenda Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 7:32 pm
No need to clean up, Aruba is already clean and beautiful. 

Didn't we have some gross pictures of the real Aruba


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: jen3560 on November 22, 2010, 05:35:44 PM

I hope that tomorrow afternoon, post-announcement, sees the beginning of a call for the free and full release and analysis of the ROV video that recorded the January 7, 2008 Aruban recovery of the human remains in the crab trap found by the crew of the Persistence.





I'm hopeful for that as well, Lifesong.  It's long overdue.  Aruba's admission to Tim Miller that there were, in fact, human remains recovered from that cage was a big gaffe on their part - and one I hope they are not allowed to keep under that big rug of theirs!

Oh my,I didnt know Aruba admitted that! Well then.................

Oh yes!  Tim told that to Steph Watts on one of his radio shows.......I want to say March or April of this year.  But Aruba claimed they were the remains of a MALE.  Mind you, there was NO MENTION in any Aruban papers about an unidentified male body having been found in a fish cage offshore by the American "search" team.

One would have thought there would have been.............No?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 22, 2010, 05:37:29 PM

I hope that tomorrow afternoon, post-announcement, sees the beginning of a call for the free and full release and analysis of the ROV video that recorded the January 7, 2008 Aruban recovery of the human remains in the crab trap found by the crew of the Persistence.





I'm hopeful for that as well, Lifesong.  It's long overdue.  Aruba's admission to Tim Miller that there were, in fact, human remains recovered from that cage was a big gaffe on their part - and one I hope they are not allowed to keep under that big rug of theirs!

Oh my,I didnt know Aruba admitted that! Well then.................

Hi Tater! Yes, there was a link to the audio and a transcript, I believe, posted in the last thread.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 22, 2010, 05:38:00 PM

I hope that tomorrow afternoon, post-announcement, sees the beginning of a call for the free and full release and analysis of the ROV video that recorded the January 7, 2008 Aruban recovery of the human remains in the crab trap found by the crew of the Persistence.


I'm hopeful for that as well, Lifesong.  It's long overdue.  Aruba's admission to Tim Miller that there were, in fact, human remains recovered from that cage was a big gaffe on their part - and one I hope they are not allowed to keep under that big rug of theirs!


STEPH WATTS AND TIM MILLER INVERVIEW

The Trap

February 14, 2010 - Male DNA


http://www.blogtalkradio.com/watts-up-with-this/2010/02/15/watts-up-with-this

Tim Miller: 

Aruba authorities dove on it and … six weeks later they said that the DNA came back as a male.

So, did we find Natalee?  I don’t know. It certainly looked like her clothes in that fish trap and again we know the night that Natalee disappeared the fisherman’s huts was broken into the knife was stolen; the big fish trap was stolen. 

It’s ironic we found one and I’ve actually got the pictures of that... you know that certainly appears to be a body in that fish trap.

Transcript: Kermit


February 28, 2010 - Backtrack

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/watts-up-with-this/2010/03/01/watts-up-with-this

Tim Miller:

We don't know really know we can't say positively sure it was human remains we've got some pictures that made us wonder.

John Silvetti doesn't feel 100% that it was.  That is why John wants to go back to search we just got mixed messages on that and perhaps we over-reacted on that what we seen at the time looked suspcious.

I can't say positive one way or another what it was.

Transcript: Kermit


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Curly on November 22, 2010, 05:38:58 PM
::MonkeyHaHa::

   

resigned wrote:
Time for another AHATA clean-up. The cameramen are coming.....


Glenda Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 7:32 pm
No need to clean up, Aruba is already clean and beautiful. 


This was my favorite  ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/ResignedGlendaRU112110.jpg)

Yeah, Klaas..this remark is a classic.
WTH do they mean they'll be announcing the results by MASS email?
Too chicken to face the press, so they're emailing the findings?
OMG. These folks are pathetic. They have no humanity.
I just feel this is Natalee. As has been previously stated, they'd be shouting it from the rooftops if it were not.
They are definitely in CYA mode.
I really detest them.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: sharon on November 22, 2010, 05:39:31 PM
From RU

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renfro/11212010_RU.jpg)
 ::monkeywine2::


LMFAO

 ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 22, 2010, 05:40:23 PM
Sans Post from last thread:

I don't think it would be productive for the press to wait this out in Holland.

The NFI spokesperson said the results would be given to the Aruban Prosecutor and they would decide what information to release, so that tells me they'll also decide WHEN, what...if any information will be released.

So we'll wait, and in the meantime Aruba's economy gets a little boost from the press corp waiting with us. 

But while they're there who knows, maybe they'll interview some of the locals to see what they really think about what's been going on for over five years now.   ::MonkeyWink::

Maybe someone will ask if they ever heard anything about those human remains found by the Persistence in a crab trap almost three years ago now.  It's so hard to believe it's been that long ago now!

It took Tim Miller TWO YEARS to confirm publicly that human remains were found, and not quite two weeks to back-peddle on what he said!
 ::MonkeyNoNo::


http://www.blogtalkradio.com/watts-up-with-this/2010/02/15/watts-up-with-this

Click on the picture to hear what Tim Miller said (two years after the Aruban divers took all of the evidence).

HT Klaasend
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/th_TimMillerStephWatts21410TRAP.jpg) (http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/?action=view&current=TimMillerStephWatts21410TRAP.flv)

Kermit's Post

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7126.msg1085324#msg1085324

Quote
From Klaas' clip of Steph Watts interview with Tim Miller:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/watts-up-with-this

Steph Watts:  Is there any immediate plans to search the ocean, isn’t that sort of like looking for a needle in a haystack at this point in the case.

Tim Miller:  No not really, not with the equipment that Louis Schaefer and John Silvetti have, absolutely not. 

In fact two years ago on December 30th we found a fish trap and we was almost positive it was Natalee’s body in that fish trap. 

We dove on it along with the Aruba authorities and then they said they’ve got to contact the Netherlands to see how to preserve it what to do with it and we was all going to dive on it together. 

Aruba authorities dove on it and then six weeks later they said the DNA came back as a male. 

So, did we find Natalee?  I don’t know.  It certainly looked like her clothes in that fish trap and again we know the night that Natalee disappeared the fisherman’s huts was broken into the knife was stolen; the big fish trap was stolen. 

It’s ironic we found one and I’ve actually got the pictures of that... you know what certainly appears to be a body in that fish trap.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/CageRemains_ArubaReportsMaleDNA_Lia.jpg)

BACK-PEDDLING

February 28, 2010
STEPH WATTS RADIOtalkradio: DAVE HOLLOWAY AND TIM MILLER
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/profile.aspx?userurl=watts-up-with-this

Tim Miller says: we don't know really know we can't say positively sure it
was human remains we've got some pictures that made us wonder
John Silvetti doesn't feel 100% that it was that is why John wants to go back to search
we just got mixed messages on that and perhaps we over-reacted on that
what we seen at the time looked suspcious
I can't say positive one way or another what it was




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Blonde on November 22, 2010, 05:40:34 PM
OH yes Glenda the evil Witch nice place (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/The%20VDS%20Home/swampnearjoranshouseinmontana3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 05:40:50 PM
::MonkeyHaHa::

   

resigned wrote:
Time for another AHATA clean-up. The cameramen are coming.....


Glenda Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 7:32 pm
No need to clean up, Aruba is already clean and beautiful. 

Didn't we have some gross pictures of the real Aruba

Yes, we have many photos of the real aruba.  I think it was Greta who posted many of them. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tater on November 22, 2010, 05:44:13 PM
Oh my gosh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Thankyou so much ladies!!!!! I still look at the pictures and I believe.!!!! Wow!  I just cant believe I missed that somehow.Never was much a Miller fan so maybe thats why I missed it but certainly glad to have this information...Thanks again!!:):):)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: sharon on November 22, 2010, 05:44:30 PM
IMO, the Aruban prosecutor KNOWS the answer so why haven't they informed Beth and Dave?  There is no excuse.  Yes or No and then just take the fallout of whatever the answer.  Are they trying to prepare for the media onslaught?

I know I'm wayyyy behind -- but I keep thinking they are looking for that wizard....ya know, the wizard  that turns blood into chocolate. They want to see if the Wizard can turn a human jaw bone into......a hermit crab.

Welcome back  ::HelloKitty:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 05:45:06 PM
When I google Aruba images, I often come across some of my better work  ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/ScrewAruba.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tater on November 22, 2010, 05:46:53 PM
OH yes Glenda the evil Witch nice place (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/The%20VDS%20Home/swampnearjoranshouseinmontana3.jpg)


This looks like that dump that Dave was waist deep in searching for Natalee.Dont guess my mind will ever erase that image.It's seared there forever.:(


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 22, 2010, 05:47:46 PM
The following links will provide inside into the happenings encompassing the Persistence search in Aruban waters for the remains of Natalee Holloway.

Janet

+++++

The Ocean Search for Natalee Holloway Monday, November 26, 2007
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4145.0


Topic: Superior Offshore - Timeline (by Lifesong)
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4578.0


THE PERSISTENCE - THE TRAP
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4641.0


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 22, 2010, 05:48:45 PM
IMO, the Aruban prosecutor KNOWS the answer so why haven't they informed Beth and Dave?  There is no excuse.  Yes or No and then just take the fallout of whatever the answer.  Are they trying to prepare for the media onslaught?

I know I'm wayyyy behind -- but I keep thinking they are looking for that wizard....ya know, the wizard  that turns blood into chocolate. They want to see if the Wizard can turn a human jaw bone into......a hermit crab.

Welcome back  ::HelloKitty:: 

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on November 22, 2010, 05:49:01 PM
Morgen known or jaw Natalee: The prosecutor in Aruba makes tomorrow the results of the study found kaak bekend

The Public Prosecutor (OM) in Aruba gives tomorrow afternoon (local time) answer about the investigation into the jaw bone on the beach of the island is found.

The bone that was found ten days ago, at the request of the prosecutor in Aruba investigated by the Dutch Forensic Institute.

Since the discovery of the jawbone became known, the buzz on the Internet and the media both in Aruba and the Netherlands and the United States, the rumors that the jaw of the Natalee Holloway disappeared in 2005 would be. The prosecution wants to say anything about tonight.


http://www.powned.tv/nieuws/buitenland/2010/11/morgen_bekend_of_kaak_van_nata.html?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: cecilita on November 22, 2010, 05:49:20 PM
OH yes Glenda the evil Witch nice place (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/The%20VDS%20Home/swampnearjoranshouseinmontana3.jpg)


This looks like that dump that Dave was waist deep in searching for Natalee.Don't guess my mind will ever erase that image.It's seared there forever.:(
omg I can not imagine a father trying to find the body of her daughter in a place like this :(


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 22, 2010, 05:50:12 PM
When I google Aruba images, I often come across some of my better work  ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/ScrewAruba.jpg)

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on November 22, 2010, 05:50:45 PM
When I google Aruba images, I often come across some of my better work  ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/ScrewAruba.jpg)

OMG Lmaooo ......awwwwwwwww, the memories of days gone by.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: cecilita on November 22, 2010, 05:51:10 PM
When I google Aruba images, I often come across some of my better work  ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/ScrewAruba.jpg)

 ::MonkeyHaHa::
::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on November 22, 2010, 05:51:22 PM
Beth remains skeptical ... IF there is an announcement would be made tomorrow, it could at first have to call her?? Not happen

Until now, Beth always informed in advance by the FBI. Now a word so true it all these messages? .

It would be outrageous to the fragment of Natalee and Beth that the press should hear when she's been waiting five years on news ..

All this does Beth eats ... If it is not true, the perpetrators or what their conscience!

http://twitter.com/PeterRdeV


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Rob on November 22, 2010, 05:53:39 PM
Gonna go out on a limb here. Won't the first and won't be the last.

I was wondering to myself - why wait to announce this discovery? I think this is it and it is Natalee. As a few others said - it feels different this time. But even so, I'm trying not to get to excited after five and a half long years.

So why wait... why not just come right out and tell the world? is it to further the cover up? is it to protect the guilty? or even to finally do the right thing? meaning telling Beth, Dave, Matt and their respective families? Well, it's certainly to give Beth and Dave and their families a day to digest this ALL. But in my heart - I think there is something - and this will take a little bit of time.

You see, the cased always hinged on finding something related to Natalee to prove her death. We all knew she was deceased on day three. It was obvious, but according to these moronic imbeciles - they needed a body - which will occur shortly.

I think in the next few days, and remember ya'll I'm going out on a limb here - there will be arrests of the Kalpoes, Guido, possibly the Gottenbos slobs, Jeffrey van Cromvoirt, Steve Croes and maybe even the corpse of Paulus - post haste. Paulus may face a series of charges which would open his estate to future legal civil suit. The KLPD, All of America, All of Holland and the FBI have known Natalee was deceased and who did it for five long years.

Remember this is going out on a limb and maybe I'm not correct - however, using their own words against the Aruban officials and the citizens - there is nothing now to stop these arrests from taking place. The truth was always known - they claimed they couldn't prove it, til now.

It's the right thing to do, provided it is Natalee, and the right thing to do by the citizens of Aruba and America.

Settling this matter once and for all means more than Joran alone takes the fall. ALL of those that conspired deserve to finally face what they have coming.

Maybe the last few days - after finding this was Natalee - was to get ready to make a series of long overdue arrests and those might include police.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on November 22, 2010, 05:55:30 PM
Natalee Holloway Update: Aruba Plans Announcement About Bone Found on Beach

NEW YORK (CBS) Aruba authorities plan to make an announcement Tuesday afternoon regarding tests performed on a bone found on an Aruba beach that some speculate could be from missing American teenager Natalee Holloway.

Holloway disappeared during a senior class trip in 2005. She was last seen with Joran van der Sloot, who was arrested twice in connection with her disappearance, but never charged. Van der Sloot is currently awaiting trial in a Peruvian prison for the murder of 21-year-old Stefany Flores.

Aruba authorities say they will issue a statement Tuesday and possibly answer a few questions.


On Thursday, the FBI said that records of missing American teen Natalee Holloway were being reviewed by Dutch authorities as they analyze the jawbone with a tooth in it.

Natalee's father, Dave Holloway, had said that he provided the records but added that he had received no new official information on the investigation on the Dutch island in the Caribbean.

"The authorities haven't confirmed anything with me," he told the Associated Press in a telephone interview. "It's pretty much total silence."

Paul Daymond, an FBI spokesman in Birmingham, Alabama, said the agency sent some records electronically Wednesday and shipped the remaining dental impressions.

A tourist found a jawbone on Nov. 12 and took it to the front desk of the Phoenix Hotel, said Ann Angela, spokeswoman for the Aruba prosecutor's office. It was then sent to the Netherlands for analysis.

A forensic scientist in Aruba, however, has said that the bone is from a human female, Dave Holloway told the AP.

Holloway said he received the information from a friend who spoke to the scientist. He did not identify either the friend or the scientist, and did not say whether the scientist is involved in the investigation or otherwise is in a position to know details of the case.

Aruba prosecutors have repeatedly said they lack evidence to charge van der Sloot, who is currently in jail in Peru accused of killing 21-year-old Stephany Flores on May 30 - five years to the day after Holloway's disappearance.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20023620-504083.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 22, 2010, 05:55:53 PM
Sans Post from last thread:

I don't think it would be productive for the press to wait this out in Holland.

The NFI spokesperson said the results would be given to the Aruban Prosecutor and they would decide what information to release, so that tells me they'll also decide WHEN, what...if any information will be released.

So we'll wait, and in the meantime Aruba's economy gets a little boost from the press corp waiting with us. 

But while they're there who knows, maybe they'll interview some of the locals to see what they really think about what's been going on for over five years now.   ::MonkeyWink::

Maybe someone will ask if they ever heard anything about those human remains found by the Persistence in a crab trap almost three years ago now.  It's so hard to believe it's been that long ago now!

It took Tim Miller TWO YEARS to confirm publicly that human remains were found, and not quite two weeks to back-peddle on what he said!
 ::MonkeyNoNo::


http://www.blogtalkradio.com/watts-up-with-this/2010/02/15/watts-up-with-this

Click on the picture to hear what Tim Miller said (two years after the Aruban divers took all of the evidence).

HT Klaasend
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/th_TimMillerStephWatts21410TRAP.jpg) (http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/?action=view&current=TimMillerStephWatts21410TRAP.flv)

Kermit's Post

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7126.msg1085324#msg1085324

Quote
From Klaas' clip of Steph Watts interview with Tim Miller:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/watts-up-with-this

Steph Watts:  Is there any immediate plans to search the ocean, isn’t that sort of like looking for a needle in a haystack at this point in the case.

Tim Miller:  No not really, not with the equipment that Louis Schaefer and John Silvetti have, absolutely not. 

In fact two years ago on December 30th we found a fish trap and we was almost positive it was Natalee’s body in that fish trap. 

We dove on it along with the Aruba authorities and then they said they’ve got to contact the Netherlands to see how to preserve it what to do with it and we was all going to dive on it together. 

Aruba authorities dove on it and then six weeks later they said the DNA came back as a male. 

So, did we find Natalee?  I don’t know.  It certainly looked like her clothes in that fish trap and again we know the night that Natalee disappeared the fisherman’s huts was broken into the knife was stolen; the big fish trap was stolen. 

It’s ironic we found one and I’ve actually got the pictures of that... you know what certainly appears to be a body in that fish trap.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/CageRemains_ArubaReportsMaleDNA_Lia.jpg)

BACK-PEDDLING

February 28, 2010
STEPH WATTS RADIOtalkradio: DAVE HOLLOWAY AND TIM MILLER
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/profile.aspx?userurl=watts-up-with-this

Tim Miller says: we don't know really know we can't say positively sure it
was human remains we've got some pictures that made us wonder
John Silvetti doesn't feel 100% that it was that is why John wants to go back to search
we just got mixed messages on that and perhaps we over-reacted on that
what we seen at the time looked suspcious
I can't say positive one way or another what it was



I have read all of this and I understad the points of view.  Is this a forum where if you have a different opnion or you ask questions that people don't Like you get attacked or knocked out?  Why does everyone else get an opnion about the cage but I get stomped for having an inkling of a semi opposing view? I  have a thick skin but I feel like I was just told to shut up and that I don't know anything!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Blonde on November 22, 2010, 05:56:17 PM
Dave and his brother looking for Natalee's body at the landfill ::MonkeyNoNo::

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/The%20Search/MVC-034S.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 22, 2010, 06:01:25 PM
::MonkeyHaHa::

resigned wrote:
Time for another AHATA clean-up. The cameramen are coming.....


Glenda Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 7:32 pm
No need to clean up, Aruba is already clean and beautiful. 


Not according to the perspective of Natalee Holloway's family.

Janet

++++++

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 9
:  In fact, he (Dennis Jacobs) was so confident that she was just partying it up or on drugs that he told us this particular bar would be the best place to find her. However, he did warn us to watch our drinks very carefully, adding that sometimes people put drugs into them.

Page 10:  While customers must pass by a bouncer at the door, there was no indication that he was stopping anyone from entering. The bar was packed with teenagers doing Jell-O shots and sleazy-looking island boys preying on the beautiful young female tourist.  ... I did not want to stay inside, so we hung out around the street corners. In less than two hours, we probably experienced at least ten to fifteen offers from various drug dealers who wanted us to buy from them.

Page 16:  During our daylight searches throughout the island, our group came across many abandoned houses where drug addicts had left razors and other drug paraphernalia. Some were filled with foul smelling odors, feces, urine, cardboard boxes they used as blankets or beds, and general trash. One of those houses was located right next to a fine restaurant near the hotel area and a McDonald’s.  ... Several times, people came into the hotel to meet with other locals and an apparent drug deal was taking place. The person would come in to scope out the area prior to doing the deal.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on November 22, 2010, 06:05:06 PM
HLN talking about the second bone.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Blue Moon on November 22, 2010, 06:05:48 PM
There is one thing bothering me on these reports that the results could solve the Natalee Holloway case.  Bring Natalee home to her family first and foremost BUT Aruba needs to understand this does NOT solve Natalee's disapearance.  This only sets the stage for alot of questions that NOW have to be answered by all involved (I will give a pass on Paulus  ::MonkeyMad:: ).  The remainder of her remains MUST be found (sorry, turned over) to her family for a proper burial in the U.S. 

Aruba knows this, that is why they are stalling.  If it isn't Natalee then it is someone else and they need to find out who it is.  I never heard them request records on any other missing person except Natalee.

I agree but I do have my doubts as to the rest of the remains being found if indeed this jawbone does belong to Natalee.Miracles happen everyday I realize but that's an awful lot to hope for.If it is Natalee,as far as I'm concerned,it still isnt over,just proof she is gone which I've never thought otherwise anyway.Maybe proof she is indeed gone will give Dave and Beth peace but it wont for me.Until joran is completely held accountable for her death,I'll never rest I dont think.The who did it,why they did it,and how they did it will always haunt me I guess.A jawbone will not answer any of those questions for me so I will continue probably for the rest of my days on this earth thinking of Natalee,Dave and Beth and all the other monkeys like myself that hold her in a special place in our hearts.

Tater, this is why I said "turned over" on the remains because I for one believe Natalee's remains were in that cage and LE just came in and took them away without ANY interference from anyone on that ship.

And I might add that Renho is an evil evil evil evil woman.  Sick person who would do the things she has done to Natalee's parents. I HATE HER AND ARUBA.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 22, 2010, 06:05:52 PM
I just heard on local Birmingham news that TexasEquusearch will be going back to Aruba to
search for more remains.  They said more details at 10:00PM


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 22, 2010, 06:07:02 PM
I think and hope it is Natalee too but this is what what said today I recorded it and then typed it.

From HLN this afternoon Jinkasauras interview Live from Aruba: Note that the interviewers name was also Beth.

Jean has there been any any reactions of Natalee Holloways mom as we await these results and even the people from Aruba I mean they have a stake in this.
Ya know Beth I just got, Right before I went on air from a close friend of Beth Holloway who says,
“Ouote “With the appearant lack of urgency and total failure to contact her directly in regard to the finding of this jawbone Beth Holloway suspects that it is another road well traveled that she has been on in Aruba leading to nowhere.” UnQuote”


 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on November 22, 2010, 06:07:05 PM
Jinkasaurus saying the second bone was picked up by police today.
The couple who found it checked out of the hotel a week ago. 
Police is testing if it is a human bone.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: jjayinthemorning on November 22, 2010, 06:08:30 PM
So there was DNA found in the crab trap and it was male? Huh? What was tested that would have human DNA in a crab trap?
So maybe that was the wrong crab trap! Get your butts out there and look again!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 06:09:04 PM
I just heard on local Birmingham news that TexasEquusearch will be going back to Aruba to
search for more remains.  They said more details at 10:00PM

Wow


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 22, 2010, 06:12:30 PM
I just heard on local Birmingham news that TexasEquusearch will be going back to Aruba to
search for more remains.  They said more details at 10:00PM

Wow

I know!!  But it may be Tim still talking about going to search the 140+ other targets.
I'll watch to see what they say.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 22, 2010, 06:14:02 PM
I just heard on local Birmingham news that TexasEquusearch will be going back to Aruba to
search for more remains.  They said more details at 10:00PM

Wow

Great!  I hope they search the Jetty's, the Bird Santuary and all of the Crab Traps! ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 06:14:32 PM
I just heard on local Birmingham news that TexasEquusearch will be going back to Aruba to
search for more remains.  They said more details at 10:00PM

Wow

I know!!  But it may be Tim still talking about going to search the 140+ other targets.
I'll watch to see what they say.

Thanks Magnolia.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on November 22, 2010, 06:19:55 PM
I just heard on local Birmingham news that TexasEquusearch will be going back to Aruba to
search for more remains.  They said more details at 10:00PM

Been wondering when Tim would do something.....I've been thinking about it for days...waiting for a response from him.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lifesong on November 22, 2010, 06:20:27 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 22, 2010, 06:21:35 PM
I just heard on local Birmingham news that TexasEquusearch will be going back to Aruba to
search for more remains.  They said more details at 10:00PM

It would appear that Tim Miller has had a change of hear since the September 20, 2010 interview with Steph Watts ... the interview that both these men dispicably undermined the actions and motives of Beth Holloway.

Janet

+++++

September 20, 2010

WATT'S UP WITH THIS? STEPH WATTS & TIM MILLER 9/19/2010
Audio:


http://www.blogtalkradio.com/watts-up-with-this/2010/09/20/watts-up-with-this#endframe

Tim Miller:  I’m mad too and you know what Steph, I want the Caylee Anthony and Natalee Holloway cases to go away.  (Talks about Valerie Hamilton case)  But you know what ... I don’t know why...I don’t know why...Casey Anthony and Beth Holloway are the big stories.  People, you need to get something.  Caylee and Natalee are not the only two people that have ever been abducted and murdered.  Those are not the only two people that have suffered.

Steph Watts:  I agree Tim, and Tim Miller, the more time we waste  ... and I am guilty as charged talking about these two ... is time we’re not talking about cases like what you just mentioned.

Transcript: texasmom


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Rob on November 22, 2010, 06:22:25 PM
::MonkeyNoNo::

yep

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 22, 2010, 06:22:43 PM
::MonkeyNoNo::

Sorry! Didn't mean to be rude ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 06:22:47 PM
I would hope that Beth and Dave will be told the results prior to tomorrows announcement. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Curly on November 22, 2010, 06:23:58 PM
I just heard on local Birmingham news that TexasEquusearch will be going back to Aruba to
search for more remains.  They said more details at 10:00PM

Then this makes it clear to me...It's got to be Natalee.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 06:24:53 PM
::MonkeyNoNo::

Sorry! Didn't mean to be rude ::MonkeyKiss::

You know Lisa, I would let this pass except how would you know that you were the person Lifesong was directing it to?  Care to explain yourself?  Make it short and quick please.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 22, 2010, 06:24:57 PM
I just heard on local Birmingham news that TexasEquusearch will be going back to Aruba to
search for more remains.  They said more details at 10:00PM

Been wondering when Tim would do something.....I've been thinking about it for days...waiting for a response from him.

Me too, Nut.  Tim has been pretty quiet since his radio show with Steph Watts.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 06:27:16 PM
3 min

2 min

1 min


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 06:31:28 PM
::MonkeyNoNo::

Sorry! Didn't mean to be rude ::MonkeyKiss::

You know Lisa, I would let this pass except how would you know that you were the person Lifesong was directing it to?  Care to explain yourself?  Make it short and quick please.


At a loss for words?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lisa in MD on November 22, 2010, 06:34:40 PM
::MonkeyNoNo::

Sorry! Didn't mean to be rude ::MonkeyKiss::

You know Lisa, I would let this pass except how would you know that you were the person Lifesong was directing it to?  Care to explain yourself?  Make it short and quick please.

I'm not I just saw the opportunity to appologize if I offended lifesong and I took it.  GEEZ
I was trying to be nice!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: can on November 22, 2010, 06:36:23 PM
Gonna go out on a limb here. Won't the first and won't be the last.

I was wondering to myself - why wait to announce this discovery? I think this is it and it is Natalee. As a few others said - it feels different this time. But even so, I'm trying not to get to excited after five and a half long years.

So why wait... why not just come right out and tell the world? is it to further the cover up? is it to protect the guilty? or even to finally do the right thing? meaning telling Beth, Dave, Matt and their respective families? Well, it's certainly to give Beth and Dave and their families a day to digest this ALL. But in my heart - I think there is something - and this will take a little bit of time.

You see, the cased always hinged on finding something related to Natalee to prove her death. We all knew she was deceased on day three. It was obvious, but according to these moronic imbeciles - they needed a body - which will occur shortly.

I think in the next few days, and remember ya'll I'm going out on a limb here - there will be arrests of the Kalpoes, Guido, possibly the Gottenbos slobs, Jeffrey van Cromvoirt, Steve Croes and maybe even the corpse of Paulus - post haste. Paulus may face a series of charges which would open his estate to future legal civil suit. The KLPD, All of America, All of Holland and the FBI have known Natalee was deceased and who did it for five long years.

Remember this is going out on a limb and maybe I'm not correct - however, using their own words against the Aruban officials and the citizens - there is nothing now to stop these arrests from taking place. The truth was always known - they claimed they couldn't prove it, til now.

It's the right thing to do, provided it is Natalee, and the right thing to do by the citizens of Aruba and America.

Settling this matter once and for all means more than Joran alone takes the fall. ALL of those that conspired deserve to finally face what they have coming.

Maybe the last few days - after finding this was Natalee - was to get ready to make a series of long overdue arrests and those might include police.


Thanks for going out on a limb Rob. 

Overdue arrests - including police . . . sweet!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 06:37:52 PM
Lisa in MD is BANNED

No more games


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: can on November 22, 2010, 06:40:47 PM
Sometimes it is not just words, but tone that show disrespect.

Thank you for respecting yourself Klaas.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Blue Moon on November 22, 2010, 06:41:29 PM
Lisa in MD is BANNED

No more games


BINGO, been waiting for that for the last 3 days.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 06:42:46 PM
Sorry Blue Moon, I was gone for 3 days  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Titch on November 22, 2010, 06:44:15 PM
You guys may already have this, but if not....

http://twitter.com/MinisterSamson
Name Samson
Location Amsterdam / Curaçao
Bio All the BREAKING NEWS from Curacao, FIRST! --------- 22-y/o law student, radio programmer & board member of Kiva. Blind for replies containing question marks.214
Following  377
Followers  14
Listed 



I didn't confirm anything. Just for the record. We shall have to wait for the press conference tomorrow afternoon.
18 minutes ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®

.RT @pvdp: @MinisterSamson why not reveal your source? Now it's no news. > I'd say wait for tomorrow's official press release.
about 2 hours ago via web in reply to pvdp

 .RT @mooseNYC: @MinisterSamson any source on that? how do you know? > According to my source in Aruba. I can't confirm anything myself.
about 2 hours ago via web in reply to mooseNYC

 .@jeffmartina @Shon_Toni Confidential source
about 6 hours ago via web in reply to jeffmartina
 .


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 22, 2010, 06:45:15 PM
Lisa in MD is BANNED

No more games


BINGO, been waiting for that for the last 3 days.

Good things come to those who wait...we all know that we do not have to look for an opportunity to 'try to be nice'.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Blue Moon on November 22, 2010, 06:45:21 PM
Sorry Blue Moon, I was gone for 3 days  ::MonkeyCool::


Well aware but I knew you would know how to handle it with grace.  (welcome back, hope you had a great trip)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Titch on November 22, 2010, 06:48:26 PM
Gonna go out on a limb here. Won't the first and won't be the last.

I was wondering to myself - why wait to announce this discovery? I think this is it and it is Natalee. As a few others said - it feels different this time. But even so, I'm trying not to get to excited after five and a half long years.

So why wait... why not just come right out and tell the world? is it to further the cover up? is it to protect the guilty? or even to finally do the right thing? meaning telling Beth, Dave, Matt and their respective families? Well, it's certainly to give Beth and Dave and their families a day to digest this ALL. But in my heart - I think there is something - and this will take a little bit of time.

You see, the cased always hinged on finding something related to Natalee to prove her death. We all knew she was deceased on day three. It was obvious, but according to these moronic imbeciles - they needed a body - which will occur shortly.

I think in the next few days, and remember ya'll I'm going out on a limb here - there will be arrests of the Kalpoes, Guido, possibly the Gottenbos slobs, Jeffrey van Cromvoirt, Steve Croes and maybe even the corpse of Paulus - post haste. Paulus may face a series of charges which would open his estate to future legal civil suit. The KLPD, All of America, All of Holland and the FBI have known Natalee was deceased and who did it for five long years.

Remember this is going out on a limb and maybe I'm not correct - however, using their own words against the Aruban officials and the citizens - there is nothing now to stop these arrests from taking place. The truth was always known - they claimed they couldn't prove it, til now.

It's the right thing to do, provided it is Natalee, and the right thing to do by the citizens of Aruba and America.

Settling this matter once and for all means more than Joran alone takes the fall. ALL of those that conspired deserve to finally face what they have coming.

Maybe the last few days - after finding this was Natalee - was to get ready to make a series of long overdue arrests and those might include police.


Thanks for going out on a limb Rob. 

Overdue arrests - including police . . . sweet!

Agreed! Would be uber nice!

Rob, nice to see you posting on here again. Always love reading your insightful posts.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Robyn621 on November 22, 2010, 06:48:51 PM
I apologize if this has been mentioned already but does anyone know what time the announcement will be tomorrow? Thanks!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 06:51:37 PM
I apologize if this has been mentioned already but does anyone know what time the announcement will be tomorrow? Thanks!  ::MonkeyWink::

I heard tomorrow afternoon but WHO KNOWS with Aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: PJ on November 22, 2010, 06:51:57 PM
Lisa in MD is BANNED

No more games




THANK YOU KLAAS !!!

I never really post as I don't have any real sleuthing ability.  I do pray often though for the wrongs done to the missing and their families.

I am GRATEFUL for how you run this site with the help of the mods.  You are all a "CLASS ACT" individually.  The research here is also amazing.

PJ :flower:


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 22, 2010, 06:52:33 PM
I apologize if this has been mentioned already but does anyone know what time the announcement will be tomorrow? Thanks!  ::MonkeyWink::

I thought it was posted it would be afternoon, but I may be mistaken.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: anothermonkey on November 22, 2010, 06:54:19 PM
I agree with Rob. I really feel that if they already know who this person is, and it isn't Natalee - and they know full well the world is waiting to see her get the justice she deserves - then they would have just come out and said so already.  If they haven't told Beth yet, then that doesn't necessarily mean anything. I think this is just par for the course over in Aruba.  They're not her friend. Why do her any favors by giving her the news early? They have to make a big show of it by having some formal announcement.   (They're really f'd up if they don't tell her early, and she has to find out with the rest of the world. I'd be pretty disgusted by that).


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Robyn621 on November 22, 2010, 06:54:34 PM
I apologize if this has been mentioned already but does anyone know what time the announcement will be tomorrow? Thanks!  ::MonkeyWink::

I heard tomorrow afternoon but WHO KNOWS with Aruba.

So basically I should get everything done in the early morning tomorrow in case I need to plant myself in front of the computer all day...lol. Thanks! :)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on November 22, 2010, 06:58:38 PM
JeremyHubbard
.headed to Aruba for GMA.

http://twitter.com/JeremyHubbard


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: jen3560 on November 22, 2010, 06:59:21 PM
IMO, the Aruban prosecutor KNOWS the answer so why haven't they informed Beth and Dave?  There is no excuse.  Yes or No and then just take the fallout of whatever the answer.  Are they trying to prepare for the media onslaught?

I know I'm wayyyy behind -- but I keep thinking they are looking for that wizard....ya know, the wizard  that turns blood into chocolate. They want to see if the Wizard can turn a human jaw bone into......a hermit crab.

Welcome back  ::HelloKitty:: 


 ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Rob on November 22, 2010, 07:00:18 PM
Lisa in MD is BANNED

No more games


BINGO, been waiting for that for the last 3 days.

Funny, there was a certain picture of a certain someone whom Carpe said "a horse needs a chiropractor" and a certain bubble butt..

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyWink::  ::piggy::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: jen3560 on November 22, 2010, 07:01:11 PM
::MonkeyNoNo::

I'll second that.  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on November 22, 2010, 07:02:31 PM
Jinkasaurus and Ruppa are already in Aruba as well as CBS.  ABC is sending someone from GMA.  Not seen anything about FOX.  I was wondering if Greta would be there but I guess she is sticking to politics.  One happy island full of reporters. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: jen3560 on November 22, 2010, 07:02:44 PM
Thank you Klaas.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 07:03:36 PM
Jinkasaurus and Ruppa are already in Aruba as well as CBS.  ABC is sending someone from GMA.  Not seen anything about FOX.  I was wondering if Greta would be there but I guess she is sticking to politics.  One happy island full of reporters. 

Their hotel occupancy for the month of November 2010 should be up  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on November 22, 2010, 07:06:12 PM
Jinkasaurus and Ruppa are already in Aruba as well as CBS.  ABC is sending someone from GMA.  Not seen anything about FOX.  I was wondering if Greta would be there but I guess she is sticking to politics.  One happy island full of reporters. 

Their hotel occupancy for the month of November 2010 should be up  ::MonkeyCool::

I wondered before if they were waiting till tomorrow to make the announcement to help the hotels  but I still think it was so Anita can hide.  If Renfro shows up on GMA I am going to break my TV.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lifesong on November 22, 2010, 07:07:01 PM
TM on HLN again right now - singing the praises of Silvetti and Schaefer.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: cece on November 22, 2010, 07:07:47 PM
TM on HLN again right now - singing the praises of Silvetti and Schaefer.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::



Tim says Dave believes it is Natalee

Edit to correct sp. of name


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Titch on November 22, 2010, 07:08:06 PM
Jinkasaurus and Ruppa are already in Aruba as well as CBS.  ABC is sending someone from GMA.  Not seen anything about FOX.  I was wondering if Greta would be there but I guess she is sticking to politics.  One happy island full of reporters. 

Their hotel occupancy for the month of November 2010 should be up  ::MonkeyCool::

You know, Klaas, I was thinking something along those same lines... Maybe they're making a "formal" statement in order to lure the big wigs there...more revenue, etc...especially on a down week considering most Americans celebrate Thanksgiving on our own soil. Maybe by waiting to release the results until tomorrow, they are able to generate business all across the island. Not only America is waiting for this news, but much of the world. What a despicable way to string people along. imvho.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Ono on November 22, 2010, 07:08:09 PM
Lisa in MD is BANNED

No more games


 ::MonkeyCool::   Thank you!!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Rob on November 22, 2010, 07:11:15 PM
TM on HLN again right now - singing the praises of Silvetti and Schaefer.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


:drunken:

and some of this -

 :smt073

and some of this

 :rendeer:

someone better call Jimmy's and tell them to stock up...  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 07:12:23 PM
Posted at RU:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/GlendaEmailBone.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: carpe noctem on November 22, 2010, 07:13:58 PM
 ::MonkeyCool::

The Doors - The End

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoBFhdeR9PE


I have been playing this all day thinking of you Poes!!!

We're all going to meet it one day...

...but according to your deeds...

It will definitely worse for some, than others.

-Justice for Natalee! ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on November 22, 2010, 07:14:17 PM
Lisa in MD is BANNED

No more games


THANK YOU!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on November 22, 2010, 07:15:06 PM
omg Rob...... "possible arrest of Paulus' corpse ......  ::MonkeyShovel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 22, 2010, 07:15:55 PM
Posted at RU:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/GlendaEmailBone.jpg)



Sounds like she doesn't know any more than the rest of us.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 22, 2010, 07:18:10 PM
Lisa in MD is BANNED

No more games


Lisa definitely had an agenda to distract from the Persistence betrayal.  The revealing words in post after post after post of the ship's own ROV operator/analyst were not acknowledged.  Something akin to the prodigal Monkeys who uphold John Silvetti ... uphold the integrity of the search.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: windy city on November 22, 2010, 07:19:32 PM
Hi Monkeys!

Been hanging up in the rafters and appreciating all the hard work you all do!  Natalee's mom must be so proud to have so many dedicated supporters.

I really hope these people let Beth and Dave know as soon as they have confirmation.  If they have an answer why sit on it?  They would have to know people will be outraged?  Maybe they just don't care.

I hate them.   ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: AZSunny on November 22, 2010, 07:25:45 PM
Lisa in MD is BANNED

No more games


Thank you.  Just a vie for attention.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tater on November 22, 2010, 07:25:59 PM
I just have to ask this.If the bone is definitly Natalee's,why would the poe brothers be arrested or anyone else for that matter? Not sure how this is going to tie anyone to the actual murder unless there were drugs found.Yes?No? Help me out here please..


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Blue Moon on November 22, 2010, 07:26:00 PM
TM on HLN again right now - singing the praises of Silvetti and Schaefer.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::



I agree Lifesong.  I so wish Tim wouldn't do that.  I want to believe Tim hasn't sold his soul to those two men.

(guess what--my son says he can see I am attached to my laptop tonight for some reason and he is fixing dinner.
woooooo hooooooo  ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: windy city on November 22, 2010, 07:30:04 PM
Posted at RU:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/GlendaEmailBone.jpg)



If they plan on e mailing her family the results and not at least calling them I will puke.

How does this idiot Renfro get this info? 

Grrr.  Thanks klaas.  I wonder who's on the e mail distibution list?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 07:31:26 PM
Windy City - my guess is that all reporters in Aruba will be on the email list, or maybe just the AP?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Blonde on November 22, 2010, 07:33:19 PM
I apologize if this has been mentioned already but does anyone know what time the announcement will be tomorrow? Thanks!  ::MonkeyWink::

It will be by email? how cold gezzzzzzzzz

Glenda Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 6:43 pm       

Black-Tulip wrote:


I don't even know there is a press conference scheduled tomorrow.



There is not, they will send out an email.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Serenity on November 22, 2010, 07:37:07 PM
My heart hurts so bad...I can't even begin to think how Beth feels. She does not deserve this.I too feel this is Natalee. I hope this island never recovers from this. i'm sure all the "Monkeys" will band together to make sure they are seen for the scum they are.....Sick,just sick.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: windy city on November 22, 2010, 07:37:20 PM
Windy City - my guess is that all reporters in Aruba will be on the email list, or maybe just the AP?

I kina hope it's just the AP.  I'm 50/50 at this point.  I was so sure it was her a couple of day's ago but now I'm getting the feeling we are being played by these azzholes again.  The waiting suck's.  I can't imagine how Beth and Dave feel.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Lifesong on November 22, 2010, 07:37:35 PM
TM on HLN again right now - singing the praises of Silvetti and Schaefer.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::



I agree Lifesong.  I so wish Tim wouldn't do that.  I want to believe Tim hasn't sold his soul to those two men.

(guess what--my son says he can see I am attached to my laptop tonight for some reason and he is fixing dinner.
woooooo hooooooo  ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeySlide::

Hi Blue Moon,

I have a feeling we may find out soon enough exactly where Tim Miller stands. 

If he's going to continue publicly holding these men out for admiration, then surely he will use his influence with them to get the full ROV video released and analyzed... 

Or he will be publicly asked to explain precisely why he thinks that video is fit to be used for profit.

Tim Miller has proven he can be compromised.  Credibility = Donations.


JMO and only MO.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Leroy on November 22, 2010, 07:38:01 PM
On JVM they said it is being released via email in a press release -- so I would guess all news outlets.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: AZSunny on November 22, 2010, 07:38:35 PM
I apologize if this has been mentioned already but does anyone know what time the announcement will be tomorrow? Thanks!  ::MonkeyWink::

It will be by email? how cold gezzzzzzzzz

Glenda Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 6:43 pm       

Black-Tulip wrote:


I don't even know there is a press conference scheduled tomorrow.



There is not, they will send out an email.

I just have a hard time believing that is their form of an announcement. Why would they announce they would announce on Tuesday afternoon, and not be there to respond to questions knowing the amount of interest in this.  I think Renho is blowing smoke out her butt again. JMO

 I guess they haven't announced a news conference, but just releasing the results, but how rude is that?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Leroy on November 22, 2010, 07:40:57 PM
I apologize if this has been mentioned already but does anyone know what time the announcement will be tomorrow? Thanks!  ::MonkeyWink::

It will be by email? how cold gezzzzzzzzz

Glenda Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 6:43 pm       

Black-Tulip wrote:


I don't even know there is a press conference scheduled tomorrow.



There is not, they will send out an email.

I just have a hard time believing that is their form of an announcement. Why would they announce they would announce on Tuesday afternoon, and not be there to respond to questions knowing the amount of interest in this.  I think Renho is blowing smoke out her butt again. JMO

 I guess they haven't announced a news conference, but just releasing the results, but how rude is that?

According to a gal on JVM, investigators said they will let the Aruban Prosecutors reveal the findings.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on November 22, 2010, 07:43:28 PM
Do you think if I ask about the bone scavenger hunts that I get banned from this FB?

Aruba (One Happy Island) GOOD AFTERNOON ARUBA!!!... 3000 Fans and counting!!!.. Keep posting comments and help our island tourism grow!!.. We need it .. We deserve it. Aruba #1 Island in the world!. Spread the love and share this page!!
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Aruba-One-Happy-Island/133891886660610#!/pages/Aruba-One-Happy-Island/133891886660610?v=wall


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: GrnLizrd on November 22, 2010, 07:43:33 PM
Lisa in MD is BANNED

No more games


I dont post often either but thanks from me too. I started just scrolling past 2 days ago  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on November 22, 2010, 07:49:06 PM
I apologize if this has been mentioned already but does anyone know what time the announcement will be tomorrow? Thanks!  ::MonkeyWink::

It will be by email? how cold gezzzzzzzzz

Glenda Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 6:43 pm       

Black-Tulip wrote:


I don't even know there is a press conference scheduled tomorrow.



There is not, they will send out an email.

I just have a hard time believing that is their form of an announcement. Why would they announce they would announce on Tuesday afternoon, and not be there to respond to questions knowing the amount of interest in this.  I think Renho is blowing smoke out her butt again. JMO

 I guess they haven't announced a news conference, but just releasing the results, but how rude is that?

<snipped>

Aruba authorities say they will issue a statement Tuesday and possibly answer a few questions.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20023620-504083.html

I know earlier this morning they said they would send out a mass email. The above to me reads that they will have some sort of live Q&A unless of course they expect to answer questions via email as well?



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 07:51:35 PM
Do you think if I ask about the bone scavenger hunts that I get banned from this FB?

Aruba (One Happy Island) GOOD AFTERNOON ARUBA!!!... 3000 Fans and counting!!!.. Keep posting comments and help our island tourism grow!!.. We need it .. We deserve it. Aruba #1 Island in the world!. Spread the love and share this page!!
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Aruba-One-Happy-Island/133891886660610#!/pages/Aruba-One-Happy-Island/133891886660610?v=wall (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Aruba-One-Happy-Island/133891886660610#!/pages/Aruba-One-Happy-Island/133891886660610?v=wall)

 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 07:54:01 PM
On JVM they said it is being released via email in a press release -- so I would guess all news outlets.

Thanks Leroy.  Hopefully Beth and Dave will get word PRIOR.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on November 22, 2010, 07:55:35 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: jjayinthemorning on November 22, 2010, 07:55:37 PM
Do you think if I ask about the bone scavenger hunts that I get banned from this FB?

Aruba (One Happy Island) GOOD AFTERNOON ARUBA!!!... 3000 Fans and counting!!!.. Keep posting comments and help our island tourism grow!!.. We need it .. We deserve it. Aruba #1 Island in the world!. Spread the love and share this page!!
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Aruba-One-Happy-Island/133891886660610#!/pages/Aruba-One-Happy-Island/133891886660610?v=wall
I've stayed away from the boycott thing. Beth took the high road and started an organization to educate travellers about the dangers of islands and places where there is LE corruption.
If your effort is to educate travellers in your FB battle... don't be a troll and you should be ok.

Since Mexico is having so many tourist murders it's hard to find a decent place to travel these days.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Leroy on November 22, 2010, 07:57:09 PM
On JVM they said it is being released via email in a press release -- so I would guess all news outlets.

Thanks Leroy.  Hopefully Beth and Dave will get word PRIOR.

I am hoping for the same....they at least deserve that!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: GrnLizrd on November 22, 2010, 07:58:49 PM
 :smt039 Muffy


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Rob on November 22, 2010, 07:59:16 PM
 ::MonkeyHaHa::

looks like hotshit finally got shit-canned from her EMT job..

wonder how that happened??

She's a martyr on her facebook page.  ::MonkeyDevil::

Good things come to ME when I wait..

Good job Kath - I wish you many great years - livin' under the bridge!

 ::MonkeyTongue::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: AZSunny on November 22, 2010, 07:59:51 PM
I apologize if this has been mentioned already but does anyone know what time the announcement will be tomorrow? Thanks!  ::MonkeyWink::

It will be by email? how cold gezzzzzzzzz

Glenda Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 6:43 pm       

Black-Tulip wrote:


I don't even know there is a press conference scheduled tomorrow.



There is not, they will send out an email.

I just have a hard time believing that is their form of an announcement. Why would they announce they would announce on Tuesday afternoon, and not be there to respond to questions knowing the amount of interest in this.  I think Renho is blowing smoke out her butt again. JMO

 I guess they haven't announced a news conference, but just releasing the results, but how rude is that?

<snipped>

Aruba authorities say they will issue a statement Tuesday and possibly answer a few questions.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20023620-504083.html

I know earlier this morning they said they would send out a mass email. The above to me reads that they will have some sort of live Q&A unless of course they expect to answer questions via email as well?



Thank you, I hadn't seen that.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on November 22, 2010, 07:59:58 PM
:smt039 Muffy

It's good to see you  ::MonkeyCool:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: starwynn on November 22, 2010, 08:02:18 PM
Wow this is frustrating waiting.  First the teaser "the results might be here by Wednesday".  Then nearly a week passes by.  I keep having the feeling I'll get on tomorrow and there will be yet ANOTHER delay.  GACK!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on November 22, 2010, 08:03:37 PM
Do you think if I ask about the bone scavenger hunts that I get banned from this FB?

Aruba (One Happy Island) GOOD AFTERNOON ARUBA!!!... 3000 Fans and counting!!!.. Keep posting comments and help our island tourism grow!!.. We need it .. We deserve it. Aruba #1 Island in the world!. Spread the love and share this page!!
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Aruba-One-Happy-Island/133891886660610#!/pages/Aruba-One-Happy-Island/133891886660610?v=wall
I've stayed away from the boycott thing. Beth took the high road and started an organization to educate travellers about the dangers of islands and places where there is LE corruption.
If your effort is to educate travellers in your FB battle... don't be a troll and you should be ok.

Since Mexico is having so many tourist murders it's hard to find a decent place to travel these days.

Mexico is scary right now with the drug wars and hotels blowing up. 

My comment was an attempt at humour playing on a post CBB wrote early this morning.  An attempt to lighten the waiting and wondering 6 ways to Sunday what Aruba will say and do tomorrow.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Leroy on November 22, 2010, 08:05:31 PM
Wow this is frustrating waiting.  First the teaser "the results might be here by Wednesday".  Then nearly a week passes by.  I keep having the feeling I'll get on tomorrow and there will be yet ANOTHER delay.  GACK!

You would think that Aruba would FINALLY do the right thing and just release the results.  They are only hurting themselves even more by not doing so.  So sad!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Blue Moon on November 22, 2010, 08:09:38 PM
Ugghhhhhhhhhhh, "maybe it will help solve this case".  Nancy Grace show interviewing the family from NJ and she just told the little boy this.  THIS DOES NOT SOLVE THE CASE.    ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: snoopy on November 22, 2010, 08:09:58 PM

I hope that tomorrow afternoon, post-announcement, sees the beginning of a call for the free and full release and analysis of the ROV video that recorded the January 7, 2008 Aruban recovery of the human remains in the crab trap found by the crew of the Persistence.




The FBI has digital imagery machinery and experts that can tell if those are human remains in the crab trab - Don't you think they have seen those photos by now? If you not then why don't you send them?

I've been reading you for several days and I gotta tell ya I ain't likin it.  Just sayin.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: AZSunny on November 22, 2010, 08:10:01 PM
Do you think if I ask about the bone scavenger hunts that I get banned from this FB?

Aruba (One Happy Island) GOOD AFTERNOON ARUBA!!!... 3000 Fans and counting!!!.. Keep posting comments and help our island tourism grow!!.. We need it .. We deserve it. Aruba #1 Island in the world!. Spread the love and share this page!!
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Aruba-One-Happy-Island/133891886660610#!/pages/Aruba-One-Happy-Island/133891886660610?v=wall
I've stayed away from the boycott thing. Beth took the high road and started an organization to educate travellers about the dangers of islands and places where there is LE corruption.
If your effort is to educate travellers in your FB battle... don't be a troll and you should be ok.

Since Mexico is having so many tourist murders it's hard to find a decent place to travel these days.

Mexico is scary right now with the drug wars and hotels blowing up. 

My comment was an attempt at humour playing on a post CBB wrote early this morning.  An attempt to lighten the waiting and wondering 6 ways to Sunday what Aruba will say and do tomorrow.

Northern, where did a Mexican hotel blow up?  Guess I missed that! Knew about the drug cartel and wars.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on November 22, 2010, 08:10:43 PM
Anyone watching NG?  They keep showing the same three images.  Is one of them supposed to have the second bone found in them?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Leroy on November 22, 2010, 08:11:42 PM
Ugghhhhhhhhhhh, "maybe it will help solve this case".  Nancy Grace show interviewing the family from NJ and she just told the little boy this.  THIS DOES NOT SOLVE THE CASE.    ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::

I quit listening about 23 seconds into the show....I just cant stomach it!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on November 22, 2010, 08:12:37 PM
Do you think if I ask about the bone scavenger hunts that I get banned from this FB?

Aruba (One Happy Island) GOOD AFTERNOON ARUBA!!!... 3000 Fans and counting!!!.. Keep posting comments and help our island tourism grow!!.. We need it .. We deserve it. Aruba #1 Island in the world!. Spread the love and share this page!!
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Aruba-One-Happy-Island/133891886660610#!/pages/Aruba-One-Happy-Island/133891886660610?v=wall
I've stayed away from the boycott thing. Beth took the high road and started an organization to educate travellers about the dangers of islands and places where there is LE corruption.
If your effort is to educate travellers in your FB battle... don't be a troll and you should be ok.

Since Mexico is having so many tourist murders it's hard to find a decent place to travel these days.

Mexico is scary right now with the drug wars and hotels blowing up. 

My comment was an attempt at humour playing on a post CBB wrote early this morning.  An attempt to lighten the waiting and wondering 6 ways to Sunday what Aruba will say and do tomorrow.

Northern, where did a Mexican hotel blow up?  Guess I missed that! Knew about the drug cartel and wars.

O/T

At Least Seven Dead, Several Injured in Mexico Hotel Explosion ...
14 Nov 2010
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/11/14/dead-injured-mexico-hotel-explosion/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: BlueKYGirl on November 22, 2010, 08:13:07 PM
What's going on on Nancy Grace? I can't watch it because I told my 2-year-old she could stay up a little late.

BTW, Monkeys, I'm usually just a lurker, but I've been here since the beginning and love how persistent you've all been at solving the case. I really hope the truth comes out for the sake of Natalee's family and all those who love her.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 08:13:17 PM
I'm missing NG, will try to catch it later.  Hopefully someone will put it up on Youtube and we can grab a screen cap of the 2nd bone.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: snoopy on November 22, 2010, 08:14:45 PM
Lisa in MD is BANNED

No more games


Yea I knew that was coming.

No soup for you..........next


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 22, 2010, 08:14:54 PM

I hope that tomorrow afternoon, post-announcement, sees the beginning of a call for the free and full release and analysis of the ROV video that recorded the January 7, 2008 Aruban recovery of the human remains in the crab trap found by the crew of the Persistence.




The FBI has digital imagery machinery and experts that can tell if those are human remains in the crab trab - Don't you think they have seen those photos by now? If you not then why don't you send them?

I've been reading you for several days and I gotta tell ya I ain't likin it.  Just sayin.

 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on November 22, 2010, 08:15:23 PM

I hope that tomorrow afternoon, post-announcement, sees the beginning of a call for the free and full release and analysis of the ROV video that recorded the January 7, 2008 Aruban recovery of the human remains in the crab trap found by the crew of the Persistence.




The FBI has digital imagery machinery and experts that can tell if those are human remains in the crab trab - Don't you think they have seen those photos by now? If you not then why don't you send them?

I've been reading you for several days and I gotta tell ya I ain't likin it.  Just sayin.


You won't have to read many more of Lisa in MD's posts, Snoopy.  Klaas banned this poster tonight, as you will see when you get caught up reading. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on November 22, 2010, 08:15:39 PM
I grabbed two of the pictures.  Will try to catch the third.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 08:16:14 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/GlendaRU112210.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Rob on November 22, 2010, 08:16:23 PM
Wow this is frustrating waiting.  First the teaser "the results might be here by Wednesday".  Then nearly a week passes by.  I keep having the feeling I'll get on tomorrow and there will be yet ANOTHER delay.  GACK!

You would think that Aruba would FINALLY do the right thing and just release the results.  They are only hurting themselves even more by not doing so.  So sad!

In my opinion, there is no hope Aruba will do the right thing. There is the chance that Holland and the KLPD will FORCE them and pin them into a corner and make Aruba admit what we all know.

Remember - Holland controls the justice system and Holland doesn't want to let that aspect go because they know they are a corrupt hornet's nest.

Holland holds the purse strings too - and over the last 5 years has dumped about a billion guilders into this crack-den. So, in the end, Aruba and Holland will fight it out - and that's probably been going on the last few days with Stein and others conveniently in Holland - remember Holland has to deal with the US on a diplomatic front. Aruba just has to wish to deal with America on a tourism front.

Aruba thinks that a FOB is important to us, but the reality is we could careless and there are other islands and we can whack an enemy (Chavez or the FARC) from where ever and whenever we want. Aruba is not important to the US as a strategic ally.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on November 22, 2010, 08:16:53 PM
Okay, I see Snoopy knows now.   ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on November 22, 2010, 08:18:21 PM
Hi Red, it's good to see you.  Do you have any news for us?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 22, 2010, 08:20:14 PM
On JVM they said it is being released via email in a press release -- so I would guess all news outlets.

Thanks Leroy.  Hopefully Beth and Dave will get word PRIOR.

I believe that that Beth and Dave will be notified prior to the official statement but ... considering the pc was scheduled for tomorrow earlier today ... the implication is that the outcome of the jawbone investigation has now been determined.  As of three hours ago ... Beth had not been notified.  Why?

Janet

+++++

Jawbone belongs to a young female’
19 Nov, 2010, 13:25 (GMT -04:00)


Stein says that based on the result, the OM will ‘consider’ what will be made known to the media and that any relatives will be informed first. “You can imagine the Holloway-family is having a hard time now.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_81262.php


Friday, November 19, 2010
Natalee Holloway's mother issues statement on jawbone testing


Natalee’s mother released this statement today:

"There is no good answer, whether it is Natalee or whether it isn't. But no answer at all is the most unbearable. We appreciate everyone's loving care and concern and are anxious about the developments."

http://www.foxalabamanews.com/2010/11/natalee-holloways-mother-issues.html




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Leroy on November 22, 2010, 08:20:21 PM
Hi Red, it's good to see you.  Do you have any news for us?

He's gonna get the thread change  ::MonkeyCool:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: luvmyboys on November 22, 2010, 08:21:41 PM
Hi everyone I normaly don't post in this thread. But I have been keeping up as much as I can. But anyway I was thinking if they prove that it is natalee's jaw  Do you think that maybe just maybe that joran got ahold of someone in aruba and had them place it on the beach. Thinking that maybe he would be sent back to aruba. I don't know that it would happen I just thought I would just say what I was thinking.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: snoopy on November 22, 2010, 08:22:07 PM
Muffy!!!!!!  Dang I'm always behind.  lol  I can be pretty gullible sometimes, but I'm gettin a little smarter. lol  Good to see all the monkeys.  And thanks to everyone for their kind words the other day.

BlueKYgirl  good to see you.  We remember when your baby was born.  Can't believe it's been 2 years.

My heart tells me it's Natalee.

I see the witch finally came from under her rock.  She makes me sick.  blah blah blah.  Who cares what she thinks.

Justice for Natalee.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on November 22, 2010, 08:23:49 PM
more grabs


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Blue Moon on November 22, 2010, 08:23:58 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/GlendaRU112210.jpg)

She is full of IT............She is teasing not only us because she is reading here but she is teasing Beth.  She is a ruthless witch with a B.    ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Leroy on November 22, 2010, 08:24:12 PM
Hi everyone I normaly don't post in this thread. But I have been keeping up as much as I can. But anyway I was thinking if they prove that it is natalee's jaw  Do you think that maybe just maybe that joran got ahold of someone in aruba and had them place it on the beach. Thinking that maybe he would be sent back to aruba. I don't know that it would happen I just thought I would just say what I was thinking.

If he thought that he is wrong, I do believe.  From what I've heard/read, he will have to serve his time in Peru first   ::MonkeyDance:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Rob on November 22, 2010, 08:25:49 PM
Ugghhhhhhhhhhh, "maybe it will help solve this case".  Nancy Grace show interviewing the family from NJ and she just told the little boy this.  THIS DOES NOT SOLVE THE CASE.    ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::

again Blue Moon - this does solve the case, if it is Natalee.

Here's why. The dutch investigators arrived on Aruba with behavioral specialists and they brought video equipment.

Joran confessed on camera on the evening of June 9th 2005. Joran broke down and confessed - we have never seen those videos - but the FBI observed the confession and told Beth who was heard crying behind a door after they informed her that Natalee was deceased. This was right before her 20 / 20 interview.

So, a portion of a deceased Natalee and a confession - that's been held all this time is enough.

Beth also said that the Kalpoes and Joran were all turning on each other.

If this is Natalee- they are NAILED.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Red on November 22, 2010, 08:25:50 PM
Hi Red, it's good to see you.  Do you have any news for us?

Can I first say after watching NG and that little punks disrespectful comment regarding finding possible remains of a human I do not know who to slap, him or his mother.

What a friggin little punk ,,, giddy that he found possible human remains like he found Willy Wonka's golden ticket ... WTF!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: BlueKYGirl on November 22, 2010, 08:26:10 PM
Thanks, Snoopy--it's so good to be back and see all the familiar names! (Yes, my daughter is 2 and I'm going to have another girl in March).

I'm shocked to find out that we don't really like Tim Miller anymore!

I love that the monkeys have been here through all the twists and turns, since the beginning. I hope we all get some answers soon, and if we do it'll be because of so many of you who never gave up. You monkeys who have been here every day (even when it's not that exciting) have so much to be proud of!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 08:26:11 PM
Hi everyone I normaly don't post in this thread. But I have been keeping up as much as I can. But anyway I was thinking if they prove that it is natalee's jaw  Do you think that maybe just maybe that joran got ahold of someone in aruba and had them place it on the beach. Thinking that maybe he would be sent back to aruba. I don't know that it would happen I just thought I would just say what I was thinking.

No, I don't think so.  There is no extradition treaty and no reason for Peru to give up Joran.  We (the US) has next dibs on Joran and he's facing up to 50 years in US jail.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 08:27:15 PM
Thank you Northern!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 08:28:27 PM
RED - did you get a chance to try and reach Beth?  It's entirely possible that neither her or Dave have been told yet.  Sounds like Dave may believe it is indeed Natalee.  Also appears that Tim Miller may be going back to search for more remains.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 22, 2010, 08:29:25 PM
I'd stepped away for a while, just caught up.

Thank you Klaas!  ::MonkeyKiss::

I'd been scrolling by those posts for days too.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 22, 2010, 08:31:52 PM
I wonder if Tim Miller will bother with getting permission to search before he arrives, or if he'll just show up and stay a couple weeks either way.   ::MonkeyRoll::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Blue Moon on November 22, 2010, 08:32:50 PM
Hi Red, it's good to see you.  Do you have any news for us?

Can I first say after watching NG and that little punks disrespectful comment regarding finding possible remains of a human I do not know who to slap, him or his mother.

What a friggin little punk ,,, giddy that he found possible human remains like he found Willy Wonka's golden ticket ... WTF!!!

Sad isn't it.  I blame HLN for putting such a young child on and the mother for allowing it.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on November 22, 2010, 08:33:02 PM
Jinkasaurus said that hte beach where the bone(s) have been found have not been closed down. Tourist can walk along that very site and collect what they want. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 22, 2010, 08:35:59 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/GlendaRU112210.jpg)

She is full of IT............She is teasing not only us because she is reading here but she is teasing Beth.  She is a ruthless witch with a B.    ::MonkeyMad::

Natalee's uncle has no love for Julia.

Janet

+++++++

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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #740 3/5 -
« Reply #891 on: March 07, 2008, 07:39:40 PM »


Julia is one of the hardest working members of the coverup and misinformation task force. Her primary mission is to ensure that Beth is sentenced to a living hell for the rest of her life.

Why Julia? What's in it for you? Why do you think you can act so reprehensibly, so brazenly, so callously?

I hope one day, that I find a photo of you, hung up by the neck, with your hand in your pocket. I'll say I knew who that bitch. She finally did the right thing. And I won't lose one minutes sleep over it.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2673.msg362311;topicseen#msg362311


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Sister on November 22, 2010, 08:36:54 PM
RED - did you get a chance to try and reach Beth?  It's entirely possible that neither her or Dave have been told yet.  Sounds like Dave may believe it is indeed Natalee.  Also appears that Tim Miller may be going back to search for more remains.

The depths of torment this Natalee's families and friends have endured is beyond my comprehension.  Truly, only those who have walked this path can even begin to imagine their anguish.  My prayers this night are for Natalee and her family, may God cloak them in His peace.  The only words I can think of . . . He knows all about it.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 08:36:56 PM
Jinkasaurus said that hte beach where the bone(s) have been found have not been closed down. Tourist can walk along that very site and collect what they want. 

Of course, would you expect anything else from Aruba?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: carpe noctem on November 22, 2010, 08:38:14 PM
You know, even if Aruba got everything right (we will never have to worry about that) how many people would still go there, anyway?

Certainly nobody who could formulate a reasonable healthy thought.

I know, I will never go. I wouldn`t even whiz on it... and I`m not that picky when it comes to dropping trou.

Aruba tortures people. Only a nice armed coup is ever going to change that.

If they could all play tennis like Paulus... it would make change so much easier.

Drop dead, Fred... it`s what I`m sayin.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 22, 2010, 08:38:24 PM
Hi Red, it's good to see you.  Do you have any news for us?

Can I first say after watching NG and that little punks disrespectful comment regarding finding possible remains of a human I do not know who to slap, him or his mother.

What a friggin little punk ,,, giddy that he found possible human remains like he found Willy Wonka's golden ticket ... WTF!!!

I know, I felt sick listening to it.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Blue Moon on November 22, 2010, 08:38:39 PM
That Michael Griffin on HLN is an IDIOT.  He says it was a big blunder for Beth to go to the prison to talk to Joran because it is a federal case.  Alex Sanchez says she needs to keep fighting on.  SHE IS NATALEE'S MOTHER.  I admire Beth so much for her strength and persistence. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Red on November 22, 2010, 08:40:06 PM
RED - did you get a chance to try and reach Beth?  It's entirely possible that neither her or Dave have been told yet.  Sounds like Dave may believe it is indeed Natalee.  Also appears that Tim Miller may be going back to search for more remains.

I have texted & left a message for Beth today, but have not heard anything. Although, if it is Natalee I would not really expect to hear from Beth. She must be devasated. Understand also that if Beth did tell me something, I would probably be asked not to repeat it.

This is my take on it, or at least it better be the case. I would like to think that Aruba Prosecutor would have the common decency to tell the parents, one way or the other, whether the remains belong to Natalee. If not, it is yet just another FU in the PR nightmare that has been Aruba in handling thsi case.

I think the parents know, they just probably are saying something otherwise to the MSM so not to have to deal with questions.

JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on November 22, 2010, 08:41:13 PM
Results Expected Soon on Jawbone Possibly Linked to Natalee Holloway
18-year-old Natalee Holloway disappeared during a trip to Aruba in 2005.

ORANJESTAD, Aruba ( KTLA) -- Prosecutors in Aruba are expected to release results on Tuesday of tests performed on a jawbone that was found on an island beach earlier this month.

Officials determined the jawbone belonged to a young woman, raising speculation the bone may be the remains of 18-year-old Natalee Holloway who was last seen on the island in 2005.

The bone was found on November 12 by an American tourist near the Phoenix Hotel -- a resort on the west side of the island.

The bone is said to be part of a lower jaw bone and included an intact molar.

Investigators requested dental records from Holloway's family.

Tim Miller, director of Texas EquuSearch -- a search-and-rescue organization that has looked for Natalee Holloway -- said the girl's father believes it is his daughter's bone.

"Dave has been in contact with Aruban authorities and spoke with FBI this morning, the agent working the case. Dave believes it is Natalee," Miller said about Holloway's father, Dave Holloway.

Holloway was last seen on May 30, 2005 leaving a nightclub with Joran van der Sloot and two men. She was visiting the island with her classmates from Mountain Brooke High School in Alabama to celebrate their graduation.

Her remains have never been found, despite extensive police searches.

If the bone turns out to be from Holloway, it would be the first concrete evidence of her death.

Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, who faces separate murder charges in Peru, is the last person seen with Holloway and is suspected in her disappearance.

Van der Sloot is in jail in Lima charged with killing a woman in Peru five years to the day after Holloway's disappearance.

Van der Sloot has told several people he was involved in Holloway's disappearance, only to later retract his confessions.

He has also admitted in interviews that he is a pathological liar.

Among his explanations, Van der Sloot has claimed that Holloway accidentally fell from a balcony and that he disposed of her body in a swamp.

He also told an undercover reporter that she died unexpectedly while they were kissing and he dumped her body in the ocean.

Aruban prosecutors say they lack evidence to charge Van der Sloot.

U.S. law enforcement officials say Van der Sloot extorted $10,000 from Holloway's mother, Beth Twitty, after offering to help find Holloway's body in Aruba, then used the money to travel to Lima.
 
http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-aruba-bone-fragments-natalee-holloway,0,5323920.story


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Red on November 22, 2010, 08:41:14 PM
That Michael Griffin on HLN is an IDIOT.  He says it was a big blunder for Beth to go to the prison to talk to Joran because it is a federal case.  Alex Sanchez says she needs to keep fighting on.  SHE IS NATALEE'S MOTHER.  I admire Beth so much for her strength and persistence. 

What do you expect from a scumbag defence atty?

What up with NG, they got the damn "D" team on tonight.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Rob on November 22, 2010, 08:41:44 PM
Monks and Monkettes -

the entire Aruba prosecutor's case has always been - From Jansen to Mos to Stein -

no body no case

Not that they didn't know who killed Natalee and who was involved.

This was ALWAYS case of hide the body and when somebody gets close - move the body - use disinformation - bribe - threaten - coerce - use legal maneuvers.

Now there are no more moves if this is Natalee. Joran CONFESSED. And I'm not talking about his dope induced chronic schism.

Joran confessed while UNDER interrogation FROM THE KLPD IN 2005.

If this is Natalee - and God I hope it is - this is the end of the road for Joran, the Kalpoes, the co-conspirators - And ARUBA.

There will be those that wish to forget 2005 and all that happened - but JORAN Confessed to murdering Natalee.

The body was all they lacked under their own laws.

I UNDERSTAND THEIR SYSTEM - DO THEY?



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on November 22, 2010, 08:42:44 PM
Ruppa spoke to Anita today who said she has not been in touch with her son and has not visited him.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 08:43:44 PM
Posted yesterday
http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=81560&start=15

hdaruba    
Post subject: Re: Jaw bone found at the Phoenix
PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 9:12 pm
   
I was at Queen Beatrix airport picking up some friends about 3:PM today and there were several TV crews flying in today. CBS, Fox etc... had big trucks transporting there equipment. I ask what was going on and all I got was we are here to cover a story in the high rise area.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Red on November 22, 2010, 08:44:19 PM
Jinkasaurus said that hte beach where the bone(s) have been found have not been closed down. Tourist can walk along that very site and collect what they want. 

Of course, would you expect anything else from Aruba?

What a shocker, coming from the island that filled in the holes that were dug in the landfill when we were searching for Natalee there,  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 08:44:45 PM
RED - did you get a chance to try and reach Beth?  It's entirely possible that neither her or Dave have been told yet.  Sounds like Dave may believe it is indeed Natalee.  Also appears that Tim Miller may be going back to search for more remains.

I have texted & left a message for Beth today, but have not heard anything. Although, if it is Natalee I would not really expect to hear from Beth. She must be devasated. Understand also that if Beth did tell me something, I would probably be asked not to repeat it.

This is my take on it, or at least it better be the case. I would like to think that Aruba Prosecutor would have the common decency to tell the parents, one way or the other, whether the remains belong to Natalee. If not, it is yet just another FU in the PR nightmare that has been Aruba in handling thsi case.

I think the parents know, they just probably are saying something otherwise to the MSM so not to have to deal with questions.

JMO

Thanks Red!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Red on November 22, 2010, 08:47:42 PM
RED - did you get a chance to try and reach Beth?  It's entirely possible that neither her or Dave have been told yet.  Sounds like Dave may believe it is indeed Natalee.  Also appears that Tim Miller may be going back to search for more remains.

I have texted & left a message for Beth today, but have not heard anything. Although, if it is Natalee I would not really expect to hear from Beth. She must be devasated. Understand also that if Beth did tell me something, I would probably be asked not to repeat it.

This is my take on it, or at least it better be the case. I would like to think that Aruba Prosecutor would have the common decency to tell the parents, one way or the other, whether the remains belong to Natalee. If not, it is yet just another FU in the PR nightmare that has been Aruba in handling thsi case.

I think the parents know, they just probably are saying something otherwise to the MSM so not to have to deal with questions.

JMO

Thanks Red!

What's your call Klaas, thinks its her? I can't imagine them having a presser to say its not natalee. I mean just how many young, white girls have gone missing in Aruba?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Rob on November 22, 2010, 08:47:42 PM
I wonder if Tim Miller will bother with getting permission to search before he arrives, or if he'll just show up and stay a couple weeks either way.   ::MonkeyRoll::



Ouch!

< snicker >

 :smt079


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on November 22, 2010, 08:49:38 PM
Stephanie's case takes precedence as he is currently being prosecuted in Peru and they have him in custody.  If Aruba presses charges he will not be released to be prosecuted in Aruba till he has served his time in Peru according to one of the talking head lawyers on NG. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Blue Moon on November 22, 2010, 08:51:05 PM
How many Thanksgivings has Aruba pulled a stunt on the family to draw attention to their wasteland of an island?  Seems to me each Thanksgiving something has occurred to get them some tourists.

Michael Griffith is back on Nancy Grace.  He sounds like a "mafia"  lawyer just like Taco.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on November 22, 2010, 08:51:22 PM
location of 2nd bone


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 22, 2010, 08:51:40 PM
Ruppa spoke to Anita today who said she has not been in touch with her son and has not visited him.

Anita lies as much as Joran....he learned from the master.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 22, 2010, 08:54:52 PM
Jinkasaurus on HLN

Just received an email from a close friend of Beth:

Beth has not been personally contacted about the results, and believes this to be just one more road well traveled by her with Aruba...leading to absolutely nowhere.


THANKSGIVING, 2007

The Arrests of Joran, Deepak and Satish

Holloway Attorney: 'Extraordinarily Painful'
Tuesday, December 04, 2007


JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY ATTORNEY: Well, in their press release and even in conversations. I had a long discussion with him (Hans Mo) Thanksgiving morning after the arrests, and you know, he indicated that they were very confident, this new evidence they had, this incriminating evidence. And it turns out, quite frankly, that it is nothing new ...

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: All right. So you can say with 100 percent certainly there's nothing new, right?

KELLY:  I can say it with 99 percent.  I think it was disappointing to me and actually extraordinarily painful and almost cruel for Beth and Dave after being down there.

They'd like to get some answers and they'd like to see some progress made.  And it's not fair to bring them down there with the false promises, with raised expectations, sort of a dog and pony show down there with no substance.

And it was — it just really took whatever spirit, almost, that Beth and Dave had left, went through that this weekend. It was really — it was terribly painful, for lack of a better expression.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,314966,00.html



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 22, 2010, 08:55:04 PM
RED - did you get a chance to try and reach Beth?  It's entirely possible that neither her or Dave have been told yet.  Sounds like Dave may believe it is indeed Natalee.  Also appears that Tim Miller may be going back to search for more remains.

I have texted & left a message for Beth today, but have not heard anything. Although, if it is Natalee I would not really expect to hear from Beth. She must be devasated. Understand also that if Beth did tell me something, I would probably be asked not to repeat it.

This is my take on it, or at least it better be the case. I would like to think that Aruba Prosecutor would have the common decency to tell the parents, one way or the other, whether the remains belong to Natalee. If not, it is yet just another FU in the PR nightmare that has been Aruba in handling thsi case.

I think the parents know, they just probably are saying something otherwise to the MSM so not to have to deal with questions.

JMO

Thanks Red!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Red on November 22, 2010, 08:55:36 PM
Monks and Monkettes -

the entire Aruba prosecutor's case has always been - From Jansen to Mos to Stein -

no body no case

Not that they didn't know who killed Natalee and who was involved.

This was ALWAYS case of hide the body and when somebody gets close - move the body - use disinformation - bribe - threaten - coerce - use legal maneuvers.

Now there are no more moves if this is Natalee. Joran CONFESSED. And I'm not talking about his dope induced chronic schism.

Joran confessed while UNDER interrogation FROM THE KLPD IN 2005.

If this is Natalee - and God I hope it is - this is the end of the road for Joran, the Kalpoes, the co-conspirators - And ARUBA.

There will be those that wish to forget 2005 and all that happened - but JORAN Confessed to murdering Natalee.

The body was all they lacked under their own laws.

I UNDERSTAND THEIR SYSTEM - DO THEY?

You would be correct Rob.

Also, JVDS confessed while being taped without his knowledge in the SUV that he put her in the water, its a big ocean. Hmm, and them from the sea comes a jaw bone. Remember back when the OM was asked why they did not reopen the case and investigate, he said that well Joran has told so many lies.

The discovery of the jawbobe is a game changer, even for the lax efforts of the Aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 22, 2010, 08:57:26 PM

How many Thanksgivings has Aruba pulled a stunt on the family to draw attention to their wasteland of an island?  Seems to me each Thanksgiving something has occurred to get them some tourists.

Michael Griffith is back on Nancy Grace.  He sounds like a "mafia"  lawyer just like Taco.

THANKSGIVING, 2007

The Arrests of Joran, Deepak and Satish

Holloway Attorney: 'Extraordinarily Painful'
Tuesday, December 04, 2007

 
JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY ATTORNEY: Well, in their press release and even in conversations. I had a long discussion with him (Hans Mo) Thanksgiving morning after the arrests, and you know, he indicated that they were very confident, this new evidence they had, this incriminating evidence. And it turns out, quite frankly, that it is nothing new ...

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: All right. So you can say with 100 percent certainly there's nothing new, right?

KELLY:  I can say it with 99 percent.  I think it was disappointing to me and actually extraordinarily painful and almost cruel for Beth and Dave after being down there.

They'd like to get some answers and they'd like to see some progress made.  And it's not fair to bring them down there with the false promises, with raised expectations, sort of a dog and pony show down there with no substance.

And it was — it just really took whatever spirit, almost, that Beth and Dave had left, went through that this weekend. It was really — it was terribly painful, for lack of a better expression.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,314966,00.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Rob on November 22, 2010, 08:57:41 PM
I would like to add this - the MEP is not around anymore.

Paulus is dead - D E A D. That's one third of the Tilburg connection and van der Straaten is a few Bordeaus away from a hot bath and slicing his wrists. Oduber has no power - this is on Mike Eman now.

Will it all change? I don't know, but the game has changed.

Canya hear me now Rudy?  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 08:58:21 PM
RED - did you get a chance to try and reach Beth?  It's entirely possible that neither her or Dave have been told yet.  Sounds like Dave may believe it is indeed Natalee.  Also appears that Tim Miller may be going back to search for more remains.

I have texted & left a message for Beth today, but have not heard anything. Although, if it is Natalee I would not really expect to hear from Beth. She must be devasated. Understand also that if Beth did tell me something, I would probably be asked not to repeat it.

This is my take on it, or at least it better be the case. I would like to think that Aruba Prosecutor would have the common decency to tell the parents, one way or the other, whether the remains belong to Natalee. If not, it is yet just another FU in the PR nightmare that has been Aruba in handling thsi case.

I think the parents know, they just probably are saying something otherwise to the MSM so not to have to deal with questions.

JMO

Thanks Red!

What's your call Klaas, thinks its her? I can't imagine them having a presser to say its not natalee. I mean just how many young, white girls have gone missing in Aruba?

If it's NOT Natalee, this will be the biggest mistake they have made since not originally arresting Joran and the Kalpoes back on May 31, 2005.

If it's not Natalee there is no reason for them not to simply say, NO, it's not Natalee and we are still trying to determine who it is thru DNA. 

That is why I believe it is Natalee but Aruba has fooled me before.  They are often in the Bizarro world.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Sgt.York on November 22, 2010, 08:59:20 PM
In my opinion, there is no hope Aruba will do the right thing. There is the chance that Holland and the KLPD will FORCE them and pin them into a corner and make Aruba admit what we all know.

They should have smuggled the bones out of Aruba and handed them over to the FBI. The crime scene has not been secured by (what passes as) the police and people are free to dig around the area, toss the bones into the sea, or save them as dead-american trophies. It would be ridiculous and unbelievable if we didn't already know that the Aruban political elite, judicial system, and thug-police have been subverting everything in this case for years. The justice minister stated that the Kalpoe brothers were unequivocally involved in helping to dispose of Natalee's body but he refused to prosecute. Apparently, the Aruban justice minister can't find "accessory to murder" and "criminal conspiracy" in the law books.

* Who will be surprised when the bones disappear, or are mishandled in such a way as to make them useless (e.g., Aruban police, in an attempt to "preserve the bones" accidentally dropped them in a big vat of bleach rendering them useless for DNA testing)? No one.

* Who will be surprised when it's announced that they have the test results but won't release the information because it's an ongoing case? No one.

* Who will be surprised when it's announced that they are not Natalee's bones but they refuse to allow an independent (USA) lab to do genetic testing? No one.

* Who will be surprised if they announce that bones are from Natalee but it's a closed case thus it doesn't matter? No one.

I mean, it's not like murdering American tourists is a crime in Aruba or anything. Honestly, the Kalpoes are still running around trying to cash in. Even a misdemeanor conviction and slap on the wrist would keep them from profiting via the ongoing absurd lawsuit and any possible book or speaking fees. This is obscene.

Edit to correct spelling of Natalee's name.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: carpe noctem on November 22, 2010, 09:00:52 PM
Ruppa spoke to Anita today who said she has not been in touch with her son and has not visited him.

Anita lies as much as Joran....he learned from the master.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I simply cannot imagine having that passel of lying Sloot land pigs as my country`s chief export.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: IBE on November 22, 2010, 09:07:22 PM
Hello!

Look who's here! The Monkey Family is gathering around the fire, circling the wagons for Justice for Natalee!

Just can't believe they aren't searching the areas but as you say, Red, after what happened in the garbage dump.. remember you needed heavy equipment and they said "get it from the front lawn of the White House?" Gads, what a bunch! I hope your ills from there have gone away by now, but I know will always be heavy on your heart!

Tim's a good man. Because of you, Mrs. Red, Klaas I had the honor to be with him, Donna Jou's Aunt, Uncle, Father in a private search. Thank you for matching me up. It gave a whole new value to me.

Everyone, have a good Thanksgiving. I am doing my usual, Meals on Wheels finds a church or troop to cook and I curl up with you,  with some good books or trace some ancestors.

Love to all from IBE, my 14 yr. old blind dog and my cat, plus flowers, clutter bug and Aronia bushes from NC (eBay). They have turned a beautiful autumn colors so I feel like in Indiana when I look at them (all 12 leaves). Next time this year I will have Aronia berries (bitter but healthy) to eat and freeze. I am trying to put plants (only container gardening allowed) that I can eat in an earthquake and have for 1st aid. Have stockpile easy open soup, Spam, tuna, dog, cat, kitty lit and some water where space allows. This weekend I buy clips and not the paper kind if you know what I mean ((smiles)).

Sorry got off topic. Love to all. ::MonkeySkate:: ::MonkeySkate:: ::MonkeySkate::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on November 22, 2010, 09:07:54 PM
Second bone found on the beach in Aruba would Aruba Op half bone were found. This informs the American channel CNN.

A reporter talked with the tourist who has made the discovery. Tuesday is more known about the first bone, a jaw, that more than one week ago on the beach in Aruba was found.

http://www.hartvannederland.nl/nederland/2010/tweede-bot-gevonden-op-aruba/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Rob on November 22, 2010, 09:08:48 PM
location of 2nd bone

I actually walked down here once - that's all you need to never go again.

This is really as far as you can go between Palm beach and Eagle beach.

It's all rocky with an out cove that pelicans all land on ...

it's a major mess of rocks and out-cropped coral.

In my opinion - it would be a very very chance discovery ... I can't see anyone placing a bone here to hope someone walks here to stumble upon it.

Once was enough, even with thick beach wear shoes.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: cookie on November 22, 2010, 09:08:59 PM
I am thinking that it is Natalee, otherwise, why the big announcement tomorrow when they already know? they could have just come out and said, the jaw bone did not belong to Natalee Holloway..

Regardless, it belongs to some who has lost their life for one reason or another..maybe another person's nightmare of their loved one's disappearance will be answered..
But I believe that it is Natalee..jmo..


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 22, 2010, 09:11:45 PM
Ruppa spoke to Anita today who said she has not been in touch with her son and has not visited him.

Anita lies as much as Joran....he learned from the master.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I simply cannot imagine having that passel of lying Sloot land pigs as my country`s chief export.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::



Me either Carpe!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Did you see Anita's new Facebook profile picture?  Magnolia gave us the heads up about it last night and I brought it over this morning.  The discussion about it starts on page 22 of this thread.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8964.msg1266270#msg1266270

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/Social%20Pages/11222010_Anita_FB_Profile.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on November 22, 2010, 09:12:14 PM
Today jaw answer about Aruba
Justice on Aruba tonight with the results of forensic examination of a piece of jawbone that was found on the island. Dutch Forensic Institute analyzed the bone.

It is buzzing with rumors that the bone of the missing Natalee Holloway would be. The American disappeared in 2005 after a night out with Joran van der Sloot.

The jawbone was found on the beach in Aruba. On speculation that the discovery of the infamous disappearance case can be linked if the Aruban prosecutor said nothing so far

http://www.rtl.nl/(/actueel/rtlnieuws/binnenland/)/components/actueel/rtlnieuws/2010/11_november/23/binnenland/vandaag-uitsluitsel-over-kaak-aruba.xml?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: KYcat on November 22, 2010, 09:13:43 PM
Maybe it is just my distrust and intense hatred of the whole despicable bunch, BUT even though the whole world knows that Joran confessed back in 2005, I don't think they will ever prosecute him.  I don't think they will even charge him.  They have proven time and again that they can do whatever they want to and "we just don't understand their judicial system".  Maybe that is because they don't have a judicial system.  I feel they have destroyed any evidence that incriminates Joran (of course, they haven't destroyed his big fat mouth yet, the one thing that incriminates him the most). 

I don't trust the Netherlands either.  Blood is sent and it comes back chocolate.  A bone is not human, it is a donkey.  We, the USA, do not have control over this situation and that is exactly what we need.  I know I am being very pessimistic but I am just sick of them.  And I don't understand their so called system because it is null and void.

I treat my animals better than Aruba treats human lives.  It is just too much for me to comprehend. 

Please correct me if I am wrong, but didn't the guy at the Westin say the other bone that was found was about 3 inches long and 1/4 inch in diameter.  On Nancy Grace, it was reported that it was 8 inches long and 3/4 inch in diameter.  It must have grown before it arrived in the Hague.

Sorry for my ramblings, Monkeys are the only ones I can vent my frustrations with over this. 

     


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Frank on November 22, 2010, 09:16:14 PM
The tests will be positive but they will say it's a fake, forgery and the Dutch Legal System will not recognize it as Natalee's remains even though it really is. It will be found that a certain porn star is claiming the jawbone is her's and that Charlie Sheen knocked it out of her. Gloria Allred is representing the boy who found the second bone and Tacopina is representing the first family, likely the same family that saw the beach flasher (Holloway trivia) Arlene pops up to lisp her way to an explanation as to the Dutch legal system needing at least 20% of a body to declare it a body. Aruba will impose a $500,000.00 export tax on the Holloways if they want the bone brought home. Allred and Tacopina will sue for a finder's fee.

Pieces of Natalee. I'm numb to savagery after all these years.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 09:16:38 PM
Good to see you IBE!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Sgt.York on November 22, 2010, 09:18:19 PM
A reporter talked with the tourist who has made the discovery.

Jesus Christ! Tourists are digging up the remains of a murder victim like it's an easter egg hunt.

I can't express how angry and enraged I am by this.
It's a big joke to them. It's unbelievable!
 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on November 22, 2010, 09:18:42 PM
Name 39 News Houston

On 39 at 9: Massive apartment fire in Pasadena leaves families homeless days before the holiday | Natalee Holloway update from TX Equusearch
http://twitter.com/39News


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: KYcat on November 22, 2010, 09:18:42 PM
Whoa, is Anita's facebook profile pic a portrait of Sebestain?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 22, 2010, 09:18:55 PM
Maybe it is just my distrust and intense hatred of the whole despicable bunch, BUT even though the whole world knows that Joran confessed back in 2005, I don't think they will ever prosecute him.  I don't think they will even charge him.  They have proven time and again that they can do whatever they want to and "we just don't understand their judicial system".  Maybe that is because they don't have a judicial system.  I feel they have destroyed any evidence that incriminates Joran (of course, they haven't destroyed his big fat mouth yet, the one thing that incriminates him the most). 

I don't trust the Netherlands either.  Blood is sent and it comes back chocolate.  A bone is not human, it is a donkey.  We, the USA, do not have control over this situation and that is exactly what we need.  I know I am being very pessimistic but I am just sick of them.  And I don't understand their so called system because it is null and void.

I treat my animals better than Aruba treats human lives.  It is just too much for me to comprehend. 

Please correct me if I am wrong, but didn't the guy at the Westin say the other bone that was found was about 3 inches long and 1/4 inch in diameter.  On Nancy Grace, it was reported that it was 8 inches long and 3/4 inch in diameter.  It must have grown before it arrived in the Hague.

Sorry for my ramblings, Monkeys are the only ones I can vent my frustrations with over this. 

     

My hate and distrust must even be bigger than yours...I was thinking that more than likely the bone that was being discussed as turned in today wasn't even the one found by the little boy, since that one was probably thrown out in the trash the day those tourists left.  Since they knew CNN was contacted they had to come up with something, so it probably is a rib bone from somebody's BBQ dinner.

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: IBE on November 22, 2010, 09:18:56 PM
Hi Rob, thanks for everything. I remember back to even you discussions on cell phones..

What is the "Tilberg Connection"? TIA


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: PJ on November 22, 2010, 09:20:54 PM
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 :2waver: :2waver: :2waver:  MuffyBee

Natalee is the reason I joined Scared Monkeys.  I'm so feeling every emotion right now and that's not a good thing for a gal my age.  I can only imagine how Beth feels.  For some reason I just get teary thinking what Natalee's family is being made to go through (now and for these years).  Oh I so hope they get what we all are praying for.

PJ :flower:




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: KYcat on November 22, 2010, 09:25:30 PM
Maybe it is just my distrust and intense hatred of the whole despicable bunch, BUT even though the whole world knows that Joran confessed back in 2005, I don't think they will ever prosecute him.  I don't think they will even charge him.  They have proven time and again that they can do whatever they want to and "we just don't understand their judicial system".  Maybe that is because they don't have a judicial system.  I feel they have destroyed any evidence that incriminates Joran (of course, they haven't destroyed his big fat mouth yet, the one thing that incriminates him the most). 

I don't trust the Netherlands either.  Blood is sent and it comes back chocolate.  A bone is not human, it is a donkey.  We, the USA, do not have control over this situation and that is exactly what we need.  I know I am being very pessimistic but I am just sick of them.  And I don't understand their so called system because it is null and void.

I treat my animals better than Aruba treats human lives.  It is just too much for me to comprehend. 

Please correct me if I am wrong, but didn't the guy at the Westin say the other bone that was found was about 3 inches long and 1/4 inch in diameter.  On Nancy Grace, it was reported that it was 8 inches long and 3/4 inch in diameter.  It must have grown before it arrived in the Hague.

Sorry for my ramblings, Monkeys are the only ones I can vent my frustrations with over this. 

     

My hate and distrust must even be bigger than yours...I was thinking that more than likely the bone that was being discussed as turned in today wasn't even the one found by the little boy, since that one was probably thrown out in the trash the day those tourists left.  Since they knew CNN was contacted they had to come up with something, so it probably is a rib bone from somebody's BBQ dinner.

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::


You're right.  There is no end to their bag of tricks.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: FloridaKatz on November 22, 2010, 09:27:43 PM
Question - who was the woman on NG tonight that said the day the jaw bone was found, authorities roped off the area, and the following day (Saturday), spent all day digging the area ?  I was listening to the tv, but wasn't able to watch.  That's the first time that I've heard that, and was wondering if it was just one of many of Aruba's "paid liars".


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on November 22, 2010, 09:28:02 PM
Hi IBE  ::HelloKitty:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Red on November 22, 2010, 09:33:12 PM
A reporter talked with the tourist who has made the discovery.

Jesus Christ! Tourists are digging up the remains of a murder victim like it's an easter egg hunt.

I can't express how angry and enraged I am by this.
It's a big joke to them. It's unbelievable!
 

Could not agree with you more and the interview on NG was as if they had just won some reality TV scaverger hunt. Its cool.

No, finding the remains of a dead person is not cool, it is as sad as it gets. Searching for the remains of a missing person who is presumed dead is as sad as it gets. I think I speak from experience.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on November 22, 2010, 09:33:56 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: cookie on November 22, 2010, 09:34:54 PM
Hi Muffers....


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: IBE on November 22, 2010, 09:36:15 PM
Good to see you IBE!

Thanks! Hanging in there! Glad you had a vacation. In the picture of the cherub, is that a head of a skeleton there to the right or am I having too much fun with honey and water?

If it is Natalee, we still keep as a Monkey Family to go for Justice, no matter where! Actually, if it isn't we still go for Justice for Natalee and others!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on November 22, 2010, 09:36:38 PM
A reporter talked with the tourist who has made the discovery.

Jesus Christ! Tourists are digging up the remains of a murder victim like it's an easter egg hunt.

I can't express how angry and enraged I am by this.
It's a big joke to them. It's unbelievable!
 

Could not agree with you more and the interview on NG was as if they had just won some reality TV scaverger hunt. Its cool.

No, finding the remains of a dead person is not cool, it is as sad as it gets. Searching for the remains of a missing person who is presumed dead is as sad as it gets. I think I speak from experience.


I've experienced neither of these Red, and it's hard for me to begin to imagine. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: KYcat on November 22, 2010, 09:37:11 PM
Question - who was the woman on NG tonight that said the day the jaw bone was found, authorities roped off the area, and the following day (Saturday), spent all day digging the area ?  I was listening to the tv, but wasn't able to watch.  That's the first time that I've heard that, and was wondering if it was just one of many of Aruba's "paid liars".

I wish I could answer your question.  Unfortunately, I was doing the same, listening but not able to watch much.  All I have heard is they have NOT roped off the area or dug.  It seems it is business as usual on the one happy-azz island.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: cecilita on November 22, 2010, 09:38:27 PM
Monkeys, if tomorrow the Arubans say that the jaw belongs to Natalee, I think that Beth will want to re test the jaw to be sure that its Natalee.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Blue Moon on November 22, 2010, 09:39:07 PM
Question - who was the woman on NG tonight that said the day the jaw bone was found, authorities roped off the area, and the following day (Saturday), spent all day digging the area ?  I was listening to the tv, but wasn't able to watch.  That's the first time that I've heard that, and was wondering if it was just one of many of Aruba's "paid liars".

I heard that but I can't say who she was.  I don't think she was from Aruba because she appeared to be on the set of NG.  Sorry but I would have to have a picture of them running this bone to the Netherlands.  This woman said they went out and roped off the area and searched it before they ran off to NL with the bone.  O.K.  who knows with this bunch.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: KYcat on November 22, 2010, 09:39:35 PM
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Okay, Miss Muffy, I go off for a couple of minutes to check another thread, and I am forsaken.

Good to see you.

 ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: IBE on November 22, 2010, 09:39:42 PM
OK members in the rafters, come on down, Don't sit in the smoke; come down around the fire and the wagon circle.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Rob on November 22, 2010, 09:40:48 PM
Gonna get going for the night... but wanted to leave with this -

I remember saying something way back before the crash - and this is the problem with being cursed with a photographic memory but poor tying skills.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I remember saying - some of us might not be here when Natalee is found - meaning might not even be alive.

I AM so thankful to have known all of you and to still be above ground should I witness Natalee's recovery.

I just want to acknowledged two people who aren't here any longer. In no particular order, but they both made their impacts.

Jamie Skeeters - who was a wonderful person and gave so much to find Natalee and to pin Deepak to the wall. He's always in my thoughts and prayers. Even in death the dirtbags on Aruba went after him, but in the end he will be completely vindicated. I was lucky to get to know Jamie and I know he keeps Natalee close to his side in heaven.

Our own Peaches - this one really hurt - and I know in my heart that she and Natalee are so close in Heaven and they talk about the mischief we have all caused as monkeys in Natalee's honor. Peaches was the only SM member to ever garner a Front Page article and I thank Red for that charity. She deserved it.

I often live by something my grandfather said - and I had to do that often over the last five years. His immortal words to me were - tomorrow's a new day... and I hope that tomorrow is the day we finally know what happened to Natalee. Someone who had so much to give and was robbed of a stunning future.

Natalee would have been one hell of a pediatrician.

Love to all.. ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on November 22, 2010, 09:42:10 PM
Hello everyone. The CNN channel 18 where I would watch NG has fallen off my service. I get a screen that says, one moment please, this channel will be available shortly. That was one hour ago. I have 107 other channels, but not that one. Why are they f'ing with me today ?
Tried calling the service, all lines are busy. Do I have to watch hockey and skating and bugs up close or some idiotic reality show, when all all I want to know is :

IS IT YES OR NO AND JUST MAKE THE DAMN ANNOUNCEMENT.

DOES ANYONE HAVE A CLUE AS TO when TOMORROW / I AM AT WORK THEN, BUT I DO LOOK.   
PS I am praying along with everyone here, when I am not cussing out the cable service.
Curse, Pray, Curse Pray.
BBL


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: cookie on November 22, 2010, 09:42:46 PM
love to you too Rob! and all monkeys here...


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: IBE on November 22, 2010, 09:43:36 PM
Hi IBE  ::HelloKitty:: 

Hi, Love your Christmas avatar! Cute. I get mine soon.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: akmom on November 22, 2010, 09:44:59 PM
Question - who was the woman on NG tonight that said the day the jaw bone was found, authorities roped off the area, and the following day (Saturday), spent all day digging the area ?  I was listening to the tv, but wasn't able to watch.  That's the first time that I've heard that, and was wondering if it was just one of many of Aruba's "paid liars".

I am not sure but my kids could tell you that I was screaming "LIAR" at the TV.  This "hostess" was also making "blah blah blah" comments when they came back from the commercial and while they were playing the clip of Beth talking to Urine at the prison.  I was furious, even though she apologized, I would never choose to watch her again(yes, I am not kidding, she was saying blah blah blah)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: IBE on November 22, 2010, 09:45:54 PM
Gonna get going for the night... but wanted to leave with this -

I remember saying something way back before the crash - and this is the problem with being cursed with a photographic memory but poor tying skills.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I remember saying - some of us might not be here when Natalee is found - meaning might not even be alive.

I AM so thankful to have known all of you and to still be above ground should I witness Natalee's recovery.

I just want to acknowledged two people who aren't here any longer. In no particular order, but they both made their impacts.

Jamie Skeeters - who was a wonderful person and gave so much to find Natalee and to pin Deepak to the wall. He's always in my thoughts and prayers. Even in death the dirtbags on Aruba went after him, but in the end he will be completely vindicated. I was lucky to get to know Jamie and I know he keeps Natalee close to his side in heaven.

Our own Peaches - this one really hurt - and I know in my heart that she and Natalee are so close in Heaven and they talk about the mischief we have all caused as monkeys in Natalee's honor. Peaches was the only SM member to ever garner a Front Page article and I thank Red for that charity. She deserved it.

I often live by something my grandfather said - and I had to do that often over the last five years. His immortal words to me were - tomorrow's a new day... and I hope that tomorrow is the day we finally know what happened to Natalee. Someone who had so much to give and was robbed of a stunning future.

Natalee would have been one hell of a pediatrician.

Love to all.. ::MonkeyAngel::

Wow, Love to Jamie and our dear Peaches!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Sgt.York on November 22, 2010, 09:47:36 PM
Aruba: The bones don't belong to Natalee.
USA: Can we have the bones and have the FBI test them?
Aruba: No.
USA: Why not?
Aruba: They are evidence in an ongoing investigation.
USA: What investigation?
Aruba: Huh?
USA: What investigation?
Aruba: Visit Aruba - one happy island!
USA: Will you allow us to test the bones?
Aruba: Huh? What bones?



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 09:47:53 PM
Gonna get going for the night... but wanted to leave with this -

I remember saying something way back before the crash - and this is the problem with being cursed with a photographic memory but poor tying skills.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I remember saying - some of us might not be here when Natalee is found - meaning might not even be alive.

I AM so thankful to have known all of you and to still be above ground should I witness Natalee's recovery.

I just want to acknowledged two people who aren't here any longer. In no particular order, but they both made their impacts.

Jamie Skeeters - who was a wonderful person and gave so much to find Natalee and to pin Deepak to the wall. He's always in my thoughts and prayers. Even in death the dirtbags on Aruba went after him, but in the end he will be completely vindicated. I was lucky to get to know Jamie and I know he keeps Natalee close to his side in heaven.

Our own Peaches - this one really hurt - and I know in my heart that she and Natalee are so close in Heaven and they talk about the mischief we have all caused as monkeys in Natalee's honor. Peaches was the only SM member to ever garner a Front Page article and I thank Red for that charity. She deserved it.

I often live by something my grandfather said - and I had to do that often over the last five years. His immortal words to me were - tomorrow's a new day... and I hope that tomorrow is the day we finally know what happened to Natalee. Someone who had so much to give and was robbed of a stunning future.

Natalee would have been one hell of a pediatrician.

Love to all.. ::MonkeyAngel::

Great post Rob


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Judge Mental on November 22, 2010, 09:48:46 PM
OK members in the rafters, come on down, Don't sit in the smoke; come down around the fire and the wagon circle.

I'm here - been here a long time.  I read LOTS but post very little.  I'm holding my breath, waiting with everyone else.  I felt certain this is Natalee, but now I'm beginning to waiver a teeny bit.  I want so much for the Holloways to finally get the answer that they surely must know in their heart already.  I've been feeling very emotional all day...

     


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 09:49:27 PM
Hello everyone. The CNN channel 18 where I would watch NG has fallen off my service. I get a screen that says, one moment please, this channel will be available shortly. That was one hour ago. I have 107 other channels, but not that one. Why are they f'ing with me today ?
Tried calling the service, all lines are busy. Do I have to watch hockey and skating and bugs up close or some idiotic reality show, when all all I want to know is :

IS IT YES OR NO AND JUST MAKE THE DAMN ANNOUNCEMENT.

DOES ANYONE HAVE A CLUE AS TO when TOMORROW / I AM AT WORK THEN, BUT I DO LOOK.   
PS I am praying along with everyone here, when I am not cussing out the cable service.
Curse, Pray, Curse Pray.
BBL


No Kat_Gram but I'll try and make sure it's on the front page of SM as soon as word is announced. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: sharon on November 22, 2010, 09:49:30 PM
In my opinion, there is no hope Aruba will do the right thing. There is the chance that Holland and the KLPD will FORCE them and pin them into a corner and make Aruba admit what we all know.

They should have smuggled the bones out of Aruba and handed them over to the FBI. The crime scene has not been secured by (what passes as) the police and people are free to dig around the area, toss the bones into the sea, or save them as dead-american trophies. It would be ridiculous and unbelievable if we didn't already know that the Aruban political elite, judicial system, and thug-police have been subverting everything in this case for years. The justice minister stated that the Kalpoe brothers were unequivocally involved in helping to dispose of Natalee's body but he refused to prosecute. Apparently, the Aruban justice minister can't find "accessory to murder" and "criminal conspiracy" in the law books.

* Who will be surprised when the bones disappear, or are mishandled in such a way as to make them useless (e.g., Aruban police, in an attempt to "preserve the bones" accidentally dropped them in a big vat of bleach rendering them useless for DNA testing)? No one.

* Who will be surprised when it's announced that they have the test results but won't release the information because it's an ongoing case? No one.

* Who will be surprised when it's announced that they are not Natalee's bones but they refuse to allow an independent (USA) lab to do genetic testing? No one.

* Who will be surprised if they announce that bones are from Natalee but it's a closed case thus it doesn't matter? No one.

I mean, it's not like murdering American tourists is a crime in Aruba or anything. Honestly, the Kalpoes are still running around trying to cash in. Even a misdemeanor conviction and slap on the wrist would keep them from profiting via the ongoing absurd lawsuit and any possible book or speaking fees. This is obscene.


My husband says that since it's Aruba he wouldn't be surprised if they announce that it's NOT Natalee's jawbone, but it IS her tooth  ::MonkeyNoNo::

In other words, nothing that craggy rock announces would surprise us :-(

Goodnight monkeys. I guess tomorrow is the day. Not sure where the roller coaster takes us next.

Edit: Correct spelling of Natalee's name.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on November 22, 2010, 09:50:46 PM
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Okay, Miss Muffy, I go off for a couple of minutes to check another thread, and I am forsaken.

Good to see you.

 ::MonkeyWink::

Hi KYCat  ::HelloKitty::  The monkeys are gathering. 



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Robyn621 on November 22, 2010, 09:50:50 PM
Just stopping by to catch up & see if anything is new. My thoughts are with Natalee's family & friends tonight. I hope Beth knows...I can't imagine the thought of her having to wait for that mass email tomorrow. Rob, I hope you are right and tomorrow will be the beginning of the end for all those involved in Natalee's murder & the cover up that followed. Good night, monkeys. As I go to sleep tonight I will think of Natalee & how she will not be silenced any longer. See you all tomorrow.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: KYcat on November 22, 2010, 09:52:36 PM
Thanks Rob.  Right back atcha.  I joined SM for Natalee, as some have stated they did.  There are so many missing, abused, murdered children and my heart breaks everytime another one is reported.  I think Natalee's case grabbed me and never let go because of Beth.  It was her raw pain that drew me in.  When I would see her speak, I would think to myself, "that is what a mother is suppose to do, that is what I would do, I would never, ever give up".   I think that is why I will be here until the end. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Alabamaanna on November 22, 2010, 09:55:09 PM
Not  much of a poster, either, but I am waiting here with all of you.  Aruba is so FUBAR that I would not be surprised by anything they say regarding the jaw bone.  So sad that no one in a position of authority there can be bothered to do one decent thing for Natalee's family.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 22, 2010, 09:55:37 PM
Gonna get going for the night... but wanted to leave with this -

I remember saying something way back before the crash - and this is the problem with being cursed with a photographic memory but poor tying skills.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I remember saying - some of us might not be here when Natalee is found - meaning might not even be alive.

I AM so thankful to have known all of you and to still be above ground should I witness Natalee's recovery.

I just want to acknowledged two people who aren't here any longer. In no particular order, but they both made their impacts.

Jamie Skeeters - who was a wonderful person and gave so much to find Natalee and to pin Deepak to the wall. He's always in my thoughts and prayers. Even in death the dirtbags on Aruba went after him, but in the end he will be completely vindicated. I was lucky to get to know Jamie and I know he keeps Natalee close to his side in heaven.

Our own Peaches - this one really hurt - and I know in my heart that she and Natalee are so close in Heaven and they talk about the mischief we have all caused as monkeys in Natalee's honor. Peaches was the only SM member to ever garner a Front Page article and I thank Red for that charity. She deserved it.

I often live by something my grandfather said - and I had to do that often over the last five years. His immortal words to me were - tomorrow's a new day... and I hope that tomorrow is the day we finally know what happened to Natalee. Someone who had so much to give and was robbed of a stunning future.

Natalee would have been one hell of a pediatrician.

Love to all.. ::MonkeyAngel::

Great post Rob, thank you!     ::MonkeyKiss::

::MonkeyAngel:: :smt022


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: can on November 22, 2010, 09:55:59 PM
Just stopping by to catch up & see if anything is new. My thoughts are with Natalee's family & friends tonight. I hope Beth knows...I can't imagine the thought of her having to wait for that mass email tomorrow. Rob, I hope you are right and tomorrow will be the beginning of the end for all those involved in Natalee's murder & the cover up that followed. Good night, monkeys. As I go to sleep tonight I will think of Natalee & how she will not be silenced any longer. See you all tomorrow.

Good night Robyn.  See you tomorrow. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 10:00:49 PM
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Look at all of us, at what a difference Natalee has made.  How many people are still longing for justice after 5.5 years!  Natalee would be very proud, especially proud of her mom and dad and how they and we all will never give up!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: carpe noctem on November 22, 2010, 10:02:22 PM
Question - who was the woman on NG tonight that said the day the jaw bone was found, authorities roped off the area, and the following day (Saturday), spent all day digging the area ?  I was listening to the tv, but wasn't able to watch.  That's the first time that I've heard that, and was wondering if it was just one of many of Aruba's "paid liars".

I am not sure but my kids could tell you that I was screaming "LIAR" at the TV.  This "hostess" was also making "blah blah blah" comments when they came back from the commercial and while they were playing the clip of Beth talking to Urine at the prison.  I was furious, even though she apologized, I would never choose to watch her again(yes, I am not kidding, she was saying blah blah blah)

Nancy Grace did go clinically insane quite a while ago. Boy, I tell you what. She can get a cheese cracker... and I will not tell you where I think she needs it, either. ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: can on November 22, 2010, 10:03:00 PM
Gonna get going for the night... but wanted to leave with this -

I remember saying something way back before the crash - and this is the problem with being cursed with a photographic memory but poor tying skills.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I remember saying - some of us might not be here when Natalee is found - meaning might not even be alive.

I AM so thankful to have known all of you and to still be above ground should I witness Natalee's recovery.

I just want to acknowledged two people who aren't here any longer. In no particular order, but they both made their impacts.

Jamie Skeeters - who was a wonderful person and gave so much to find Natalee and to pin Deepak to the wall. He's always in my thoughts and prayers. Even in death the dirtbags on Aruba went after him, but in the end he will be completely vindicated. I was lucky to get to know Jamie and I know he keeps Natalee close to his side in heaven.

Our own Peaches - this one really hurt - and I know in my heart that she and Natalee are so close in Heaven and they talk about the mischief we have all caused as monkeys in Natalee's honor. Peaches was the only SM member to ever garner a Front Page article and I thank Red for that charity. She deserved it.

I often live by something my grandfather said - and I had to do that often over the last five years. His immortal words to me were - tomorrow's a new day... and I hope that tomorrow is the day we finally know what happened to Natalee. Someone who had so much to give and was robbed of a stunning future.

Natalee would have been one hell of a pediatrician.

Love to all.. ::MonkeyAngel::
Great post of people worth remembering.
Monkey love back to you Rob. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: snoopy on November 22, 2010, 10:03:45 PM
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Look at all of us, at what a difference Natalee has made.  How many people are still longing for justice after 5.5 years!  Natalee would be very proud, especially proud of her mom and dad and how they and we all will never give up!


WE STAND WITH THE GIRL!!!!!

GOD BLESS NATALEE'S FAMILY


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: kkthy on November 22, 2010, 10:05:21 PM
We had Channel 3 Eyewitness News, Hallie Jackson, at our home tonight. (I mentioned this in an earlier post)  It was very nerve wracking but we all got through it.  They are putting it on the air tonight at 11:00PM Eastern time.  They mentioned that CNN would probably used some of the video clips too at some point.  I feel so relieved that we should all find out tomorrow whether the DNA matches Natalee.   I am praying..... :)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: BooMonkey on November 22, 2010, 10:05:55 PM
I pray that this is the beginning of the end. The end of Natalee's parents pain and the end of Aruba period.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: can on November 22, 2010, 10:06:19 PM
Hello everyone. The CNN channel 18 where I would watch NG has fallen off my service. I get a screen that says, one moment please, this channel will be available shortly. That was one hour ago. I have 107 other channels, but not that one. Why are they f'ing with me today ?
Tried calling the service, all lines are busy. Do I have to watch hockey and skating and bugs up close or some idiotic reality show, when all all I want to know is :

IS IT YES OR NO AND JUST MAKE THE DAMN ANNOUNCEMENT.

DOES ANYONE HAVE A CLUE AS TO when TOMORROW / I AM AT WORK THEN, BUT I DO LOOK.   
PS I am praying along with everyone here, when I am not cussing out the cable service.
Curse, Pray, Curse Pray.
BBL


Keeping my fingers crossed that you'll have full cable service.

Although I don't know what time the announcement will be made, I read somewhere here today it would be tomorrow afternoon. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on November 22, 2010, 10:07:13 PM
We had Channel 3 Eyewitness News, Hallie Jackson, at our home tonight. (I mentioned this in an earlier post)  It was very nerve wracking but we all got through it.  They are putting it on the air tonight at 11:00PM Eastern time.  They mentioned that CNN would probably used some of the video clips too at some point.  I feel so relieved that we should all find out tomorrow whether the DNA matches Natalee.   I am praying..... :)

Thank you kkthy. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: KYcat on November 22, 2010, 10:10:31 PM
I absolutely have to go and do some housework.  I have 30 people coming to my house for Thanksgiving and I have to work tomorrow and Wednesday and I can't tear myself away from here.  So, I will stay logged in and check back often. 

Before I go , I'll say one more thing, I know everyone is conflicted with their thoughts on if this is Natalee's bone.  I am too.  But, I truly, really, believe this is her.  I believe that things happen when they happen, for a reason.  I believe that is time for justice.  I believe it is time for Beth and Dave to have the peace that they so deserve.  It is time to bring Natalee home.

I will be back.   



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: can on November 22, 2010, 10:10:59 PM
We had Channel 3 Eyewitness News, Hallie Jackson, at our home tonight. (I mentioned this in an earlier post)  It was very nerve wracking but we all got through it.  They are putting it on the air tonight at 11:00PM Eastern time.  They mentioned that CNN would probably used some of the video clips too at some point.  I feel so relieved that we should all find out tomorrow whether the DNA matches Natalee.   I am praying..... :)

Thanks kkthy. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Sgt.York on November 22, 2010, 10:11:55 PM
Edit: Correct spelling of Natalee's name.

Thank you. I was typing so fast and so angry.
I realized the typos after posting but don't know how to edit.

You know, it would be nice if the Aruban police stood somewhere near the location of the bones and pretended to give a crap. I mean, if they aren't busy taking bribes from drug-runners and sex-slave traders. Securing the beach rather than allowing this horrid easter-egg hunt for human bones  would be appreciated (even if disingenuous). Let's at least pretend that it isn't a great big giggle - ha ha, dead american tourist bones - big laugh.

I hate these people!
I am so mad.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: akmom on November 22, 2010, 10:12:24 PM
We had Channel 3 Eyewitness News, Hallie Jackson, at our home tonight. (I mentioned this in an earlier post)  It was very nerve wracking but we all got through it.  They are putting it on the air tonight at 11:00PM Eastern time.  They mentioned that CNN would probably used some of the video clips too at some point.  I feel so relieved that we should all find out tomorrow whether the DNA matches Natalee.   I am praying..... :)

If you wouldn't mind a question.  Did you say that your husband wanted to look for Natalee while he was on leave(I hope I am not confusing you with someone else).  Has he been a member of this forum or another?  How did he come to be so interested in Natalee's case??


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 10:12:25 PM
We had Channel 3 Eyewitness News, Hallie Jackson, at our home tonight. (I mentioned this in an earlier post)  It was very nerve wracking but we all got through it.  They are putting it on the air tonight at 11:00PM Eastern time.  They mentioned that CNN would probably used some of the video clips too at some point.  I feel so relieved that we should all find out tomorrow whether the DNA matches Natalee.   I am praying..... :)

Thank you kkthy!  Is this the right Channel 3?

http://www.wfsb.com/index.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: windy city on November 22, 2010, 10:12:53 PM
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Look at all of us, at what a difference Natalee has made.  How many people are still longing for justice after 5.5 years!  Natalee would be very proud, especially proud of her mom and dad and how they and we all will never give up!

People get angry when they know they are being lied to.  It's insulting what Arooba has done for the last 5.5 years.  I would love to get face to face with Van der Straaten and ask him WTF he was thinking trying to sweep it under a rug. (and then punch him square in the face)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 22, 2010, 10:15:11 PM
klaasend, BoxerDawg, kgwallace88, Bud's Girl, anilee, KYcat, Sgt.York, GrnLizrd, Green Eyes, carpe noctem, camochance, Roxie, Northern Rose, Tamikosmom, 2NJSons_Mom, Lynnie76, CBB, 7227, can, littlebuddy598, Alabamaanna, kkthy, Serenity, cecilita, IBE, sunshine12, 4 Donks, akmom, Robyn621, texasmom, FloridaKatz, Red, Judge Mental, Harper, windy city, SuzieQ, Sea Searcher, snoopy, numbersgirl, sb, Blue Moon, PJ, San, NM, BooMonkey, AZSunny and 68 Guests are viewing this board.


Look at all of us, at what a difference Natalee has made.  How many people are still longing for justice after 5.5 years!  Natalee would be very proud, especially proud of her mom and dad and how they and we all will never give up!

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 22, 2010, 10:16:20 PM
klaasend, BoxerDawg, kgwallace88, Bud's Girl, anilee, KYcat, Sgt.York, GrnLizrd, Green Eyes, carpe noctem, camochance, Roxie, Northern Rose, Tamikosmom, 2NJSons_Mom, Lynnie76, CBB, 7227, can, littlebuddy598, Alabamaanna, kkthy, Serenity, cecilita, IBE, sunshine12, 4 Donks, akmom, Robyn621, texasmom, FloridaKatz, Red, Judge Mental, Harper, windy city, SuzieQ, Sea Searcher, snoopy, numbersgirl, sb, Blue Moon, PJ, San, NM, BooMonkey, AZSunny and 68 Guests are viewing this board.


Look at all of us, at what a difference Natalee has made.  How many people are still longing for justice after 5.5 years!  Natalee would be very proud, especially proud of her mom and dad and how they and we all will never give up!

People get angry when they know they are being lied to.  It's insulting what Arooba has done for the last 5.5 years.  I would love to get face to face with Van der Straaten and ask him WTF he was thinking trying to sweep it under a rug. (and then punch him square in the face)

Sounds good to me!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Roxie on November 22, 2010, 10:17:27 PM
Praying, Praying and Praying again. Sending prayers To Natalee's family that this is the beginning for healing and closure.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: can on November 22, 2010, 10:17:35 PM
Edit: Correct spelling of Natalee's name.

Thank you. I was typing so fast and so angry.
I realized the typos after posting but don't know how to edit.

You know, it would be nice if the Aruban police stood somewhere near the location of the bones and pretended to give a crap. I mean, if they aren't busy taking bribes from drug-runners and sex-slave traders. Securing the beach rather than allowing this horrid easter-egg hunt for human bones  would be appreciated (even if disingenuous). Let's at least pretend that it isn't a great big giggle - ha ha, dead american tourist bones - big laugh.

I hate these people!
I am so mad.



I don't blame you for being mad.  It's a bloody sacrilege!  A free for all.
Over possible precious remains.

I wish something could be done about it.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on November 22, 2010, 10:24:58 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/moderator%20pics/modlock4.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on November 22, 2010, 10:27:24 PM
So, NG came back on. Don't know if that was a good thing or a not so good thing.
Tomorrow will be here soon. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on November 22, 2010, 10:27:33 PM
Turistanan buscando weso di Natalee Holloway a haya Spare-Ribs

Locual tur hende ta teme pe ta sosodiendo awor atrobe, un berdadero circo di prensa Mericano. Pa hustifica nan estadia riba nos isla, mester inventa un noticia tur dia. Awe e noticia di dia ta cu turistanan a haya weso cu posiblemente ta di Natalee Holloway.   Aunke cu e caso di desaparicion di e mucha muhe Mericano mientrastanto ta 5 aña tras di lomba, toch keto bay ta purba tur manera pa tene e storia "bibo". Tur esaki mientras cu nunca a haya un evidencia di Natalee Holloway, pa por bisa cu e lo por a fayece of algo. Te cu awe ta papia unicamente di su desaparicion y nada otro. Awe mainta sinembargo un turista kedando den Westin Resort a logra su "2 minutes of fame" ora cu el a sali bisa di a haya un weso den lama. Mesora a haci e conotacion na e desaparicion di e studiante Mericano, aunke cu nunca antes a menciona cu e lo a ni acerca e becindario di dicho hotel durante su estadia riba nos isla. Asina mes e departamento tecnico di Polis a investiga e weso y den un rato di ora a saca afor caba cu ta trata di un spare ribs procedente di porco. Ta sospecha cu un turista comiendo BBQ a zwaai un weso di su spare-ribs den lama y awor e weso aki ta saliendo den noticia na Merca comosifuera ta weso humano. Polis di Aruba entodo caso no ta dunando importancia na e noticia aki.

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/24575-turistanan-buscando-weso-di-natalee-holloway-a-haya-spare-ribs-.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Serenity on November 22, 2010, 10:27:36 PM
It broke my heart to see Beth try so hard to get Joran to tell her the truth.We all have our breaking points and I think the good Lord realized she cannot take anymore.We will never know Gods reasons and why it took this long to get to this point.But the Bible says He never gives you more than you can handle.I know I could not/would not have been so patient...I would have taken things into my own hands.But Beth is strong and her faith is even stronger...I have so much admiration for her...I very seldom post,but I have been here from day 1..Thank God for all you Monkeys..Without you we would not have found so much valuable info to help keep this going.I feel tomorrow will be a very very sad day as we all hear what we have waited to hear for over 5 years. Beth we love you........ ::MonkeyTears::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: NM on November 22, 2010, 10:27:55 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/hollowayfamilygall-550x400-12.jpg)
Thank you for this pix TM

Whatever they do.
We all will be here together and for Natalee And we will always be here for Natalee.

And the longer they do what they do the more the world will see what we have seen for 5.5 yrs.
Prayers for Natalee and her family.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 10:28:16 PM
I didn't watch Nancy Grace and I'm glad I didn't.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 22, 2010, 10:28:22 PM
RED - did you get a chance to try and reach Beth?  It's entirely possible that neither her or Dave have been told yet.  Sounds like Dave may believe it is indeed Natalee.  Also appears that Tim Miller may be going back to search for more remains.

I have texted & left a message for Beth today, but have not heard anything. Although, if it is Natalee I would not really expect to hear from Beth. She must be devasated. Understand also that if Beth did tell me something, I would probably be asked not to repeat it.

This is my take on it, or at least it better be the case. I would like to think that Aruba Prosecutor would have the common decency to tell the parents, one way or the other, whether the remains belong to Natalee. If not, it is yet just another FU in the PR nightmare that has been Aruba in handling thsi case.

I think the parents know, they just probably are saying something otherwise to the MSM so not to have to deal with questions.

JMO

Thanks Red!

What's your call Klaas, thinks its her? I can't imagine them having a presser to say its not natalee. I mean just how many young, white girls have gone missing in Aruba?

If it's NOT Natalee, this will be the biggest mistake they have made since not originally arresting Joran and the Kalpoes back on May 31, 2005.
If it's not Natalee there is no reason for them not to simply say, NO, it's not Natalee and we are still trying to determine who it is thru DNA. 

That is why I believe it is Natalee but Aruba has fooled me before.  They are often in the Bizarro world.

Retro posting and almost caught up but just had to applaud this one here and now! You said it Klaas


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: KYcat on November 22, 2010, 10:34:36 PM
Thank you Texasmom for the beautiful picture of Natalee.  So sad that a beautiful, bright, loving girl was taken from this earth so tragically and the pos that is responsible lives on.  She had so much to give. 

Ok, I'm back to dusting. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: KCJackie on November 22, 2010, 10:38:00 PM
 ::MonkeyAngel:: Please light a candle for Natalee.  ::MonkeyAngel::


http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=NAH

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Nat%27s




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Blue Moon on November 22, 2010, 10:38:37 PM
I am calling it a night.  Tomorrow is another day.  Hopefully Aruba will have contacted Beth and Dave and given them the news and have made arrangements to have the area searched properly. My prayers are with Natalee as she may be coming home to her family and her country.  Beth, Dave, Matt and all others, stay strong, we have your backs and are here for you.  My heart aches tonight and I am closing with tears in my eyes.  It is so heart wrenching to see what this family has been put through for the past 5 1/2 years. If we didn't care so much we all wouldn't be here today.  God Bless all.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: IBE on November 22, 2010, 10:39:32 PM
Klaas,

If we do not get to a cage change by the announcement tomorrow, will a new cage be opened? Just thinking.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: FloridaKatz on November 22, 2010, 10:41:37 PM
We had Channel 3 Eyewitness News, Hallie Jackson, at our home tonight. (I mentioned this in an earlier post)  It was very nerve wracking but we all got through it.  They are putting it on the air tonight at 11:00PM Eastern time.  They mentioned that CNN would probably used some of the video clips too at some point.  I feel so relieved that we should all find out tomorrow whether the DNA matches Natalee.   I am praying..... :)

If you wouldn't mind a question.  Did you say that your husband wanted to look for Natalee while he was on leave(I hope I am not confusing you with someone else).  Has he been a member of this forum or another?  How did he come to be so interested in Natalee's case??

You are confusing kkathy with me.  It was my husband that wanted to look for Natalee while he was on leave.  He lurks on SM when he's not in the Middle East, but he doesn't post.  No, he's not a member of any other forum that I know of.  He too is from Alabama, and we've been doing SAR for almost 20 years.  We've been married for 21 yrs.  We also did SAR on the Caylee Anthony case.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: carpe noctem on November 22, 2010, 10:41:55 PM
I didn't watch Nancy Grace and I'm glad I didn't.

I`ve been raised never to hit a girl... but if I rolled like a rapper, I`d smack that ho!

She`s gotten too big for her britches.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 10:43:26 PM
Klaas,

If we do not get to a cage change by the announcement tomorrow, will a new cage be opened? Just thinking.

YES but I'm fairly certain we will get to the new cage before then.  When the announcement comes maybe I'll add something to the thread title so people will know right away and those at work will know right away too. If that helps.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on November 22, 2010, 10:45:10 PM
Klaas,

If we do not get to a cage change by the announcement tomorrow, will a new cage be opened? Just thinking.

YES but I'm fairly certain we will get to the new cage before then.  When the announcement comes maybe I'll add something to the thread title so people will know right away and those at work will know right away too. If that helps.

IBE is so good about thinking ahead and being prepared.   ::rhino::  

Edit to fix my mess.  And no, I haven't been  ::monkeywine2:: .  Yet.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 22, 2010, 10:46:24 PM
Finally something on 24ora!

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/24570-prensa-mericano-poniendo-presion-pa-contesta-.html

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/11222010_24ora1.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

prensa mericano poniendo presion for contesta

monday, 22 november 2010 21:13

ministerio publico is below ; enough presion of media internacional for divulga of that the kaak cu one pareha tourist owing to achieve week happen in the lama at height of westin resort is. majority is specula cu is of natalee holloway. de telegraaf at the netherlands owing to open on front page today cu the news cu posiblemente the kaak is of natalee holloway y cu fox news at merca is saying cu on tuesday ministerio publico at aruba will confirma the news here. all the time prensa mericano for some day end is form part of the view fast of the edificio of husticia of aruba.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/11222010_24ora2.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/11222010_24ora3.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/11222010_24ora4.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/11222010_24ora5.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: akmom on November 22, 2010, 10:49:36 PM
We had Channel 3 Eyewitness News, Hallie Jackson, at our home tonight. (I mentioned this in an earlier post)  It was very nerve wracking but we all got through it.  They are putting it on the air tonight at 11:00PM Eastern time.  They mentioned that CNN would probably used some of the video clips too at some point.  I feel so relieved that we should all find out tomorrow whether the DNA matches Natalee.   I am praying..... :)

If you wouldn't mind a question.  Did you say that your husband wanted to look for Natalee while he was on leave(I hope I am not confusing you with someone else).  Has he been a member of this forum or another?  How did he come to be so interested in Natalee's case??

You are confusing kkathy with me.  It was my husband that wanted to look for Natalee while he was on leave.  He lurks on SM when he's not in the Middle East, but he doesn't post.  No, he's not a member of any other forum that I know of.  He too is from Alabama, and we've been doing SAR for almost 20 years.  We've been married for 21 yrs.  We also did SAR on the Caylee Anthony case.

Thank you for your answer.  You did not find the other bone or anything else then, correct??


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 22, 2010, 10:56:39 PM
Gosh, guys. I can't really believe it. It's hard for me to think that just maybe we are all here on the edge of Natalee coming home for burial. Joran is in jail for murder.

Wow.

There were years when it seemed that evil won and was holding it's victim under layers of corruption and lies and all we could do was to hold a candle up to the truth so it wouldn't be lost in the darkness too.

I'm just amazed. Truth has a way of bubbling up through anything. It sounds different. It is patient but never lost. Truth will endure to rise. I hope that Holland will not attempt to push it down again. If they try, it will be temporary. Natalee's truth will emerge and no power can stand against it forever. I really do believe that.

I'm so glad to be here with you all.  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: GrnLizrd on November 22, 2010, 10:58:39 PM
I dont know if i want to hit Glenda or throw up  ::MonkeyMad:: I forgot how really bad it is over there i havent read there in years just the stuff you guys bring here.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 22, 2010, 10:59:29 PM
See my earlier post about this...

If I understand correctly this article is saying that the police determined in less than an hour that the second bone was a pork spare rib.

If this is the same bone....

Why did the hotel employees tell the tourist's NOT to take the bone to the police?  Seems like they could have cleared up any question about the bone right then and there!

Why did the hotel employees tell the tourist's that they couldn't speak to a manager until Monday, and they would have to wait?

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/24575-turistanan-buscando-weso-di-natalee-holloway-a-haya-spare-ribs-.html

Papiamentu translation:

turistanan buscando bone of natalee holloway owing to achieve spare-ribs

monday, 22 november 2010 22:33

locual everybody is teme pe is sosodiendo now again, one berdadero circus of prensa mericano. for hustifica they estadia on we island, have to inventa one news all day. today the news of day is cu turistanan owing to achieve bone cu posiblemente is of natalee holloway. although cu the caso of desaparicion of the child muhe mericano all the time is 5 year behind back, yet keto bay is try all as for as the storia "bibo". all this while cu never owing to achieve one evidencia of natalee holloway, for can tell cu the will can owing to fayece or algo. till cu today is talk unicamente of his desaparicion y nothing another. today morning sinembargo one tourist kedando in westin resort owing to succeed his "2 minutes or fame" hour cu past owing to leave tell of owing to achieve one bone in lama. at once owing to haci the conotacion at the desaparicion of the student mericano, although cu never formerly owing to menciona cu the will owing to neither acerca the becindario of dicho hotel during his estadia on we island. so self the departamento tecnico of police owing to investiga the bone y in one rato of hour owing to saca afor end cu is deal of one spare ribs procedente of porco. is sospecha cu one tourist comiendo bbq owing to zwaai one bone of his spare-ribs in lama y now the bone here is saliendo in news at merca comosifuera is bone human. police of aruba entodo caso do not dunando importancia at the news here.

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2010.november.nov22.nancy.nancy2.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: IBE on November 22, 2010, 11:00:12 PM
Thanks... just waiting. Having mixed feelings. Sad, thankful. Really glad to have the Monkey Family. The thread continues doesn't it... oh dumb question, of course it does for Justice.

See,I don't always think ahead! Wasn't there a song "We are family?" I need to put on some happy music. I don't have children.

So sad when children die and when they die before their parents. This happened to my ex. I was sad too for the boy was only 12. Well, I hate full moons. All my friends, relatives died on a full moon. Lost my Dad Nov. 24, 1974 and my finance Nov. 28, 1982 just before we were to get married. Off road desert racing pre-run. Left him out there to die with his son in the car.

I wish I flew (used to and not on a broom) and that I was the best PI in the world. I would go to Aruba and "hang out". Then I'd call Red, Carpe, Rob, Holloways, Twitty's et al and the assorted "ole boys" for Justice and keep the Monkeys updated on the internet.

The Kapoes should have stayed in Long Beach CA when there and gone with other ID's.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: IBE on November 22, 2010, 11:02:59 PM
so "sad" not so "said" Be back later. Finding comfort food.. chicken noodle soup or tomato.

Fixed it, IBE.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: carpe noctem on November 22, 2010, 11:03:18 PM
I dont know if i want to hit Glenda or throw up  ::MonkeyMad:: I forgot how really bad it is over there i havent read there in years just the stuff you guys bring here.

For the most part - they are all murderers in training. One of the most toxic sites on the web, bar none.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: windy city on November 22, 2010, 11:04:30 PM
Gosh, guys. I can't really believe it. It's hard for me to think that just maybe we are all here on the edge of Natalee coming home for burial. Joran is in jail for murder.

Wow.

There were years when it seemed that evil won and was holding it's victim under layers of corruption and lies and all we could do was to hold a candle up to the truth so it wouldn't be lost in the darkness too.

I'm just amazed. Truth has a way of bubbling up through anything. It sounds different. It is patient but never lost. Truth will endure to rise. I hope that Holland will not attempt to push it down again. If they try, it will be temporary. Natalee's truth will emerge and no power can stand against it forever. I really do believe that.

I'm so glad to be here with you all.  ::MonkeyKiss::


It's because of people like you that I am reminded that there is always hope.



Thanks!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: GrnLizrd on November 22, 2010, 11:05:57 PM
I dont know if i want to hit Glenda or throw up  ::MonkeyMad:: I forgot how really bad it is over there i havent read there in years just the stuff you guys bring here.

For the most part - they are all murderers in training. One of the most toxic sites on the web, bar none.

Agreed!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: FloridaKatz on November 22, 2010, 11:10:08 PM
We had Channel 3 Eyewitness News, Hallie Jackson, at our home tonight. (I mentioned this in an earlier post)  It was very nerve wracking but we all got through it.  They are putting it on the air tonight at 11:00PM Eastern time.  They mentioned that CNN would probably used some of the video clips too at some point.  I feel so relieved that we should all find out tomorrow whether the DNA matches Natalee.   I am praying..... :)

If you wouldn't mind a question.  Did you say that your husband wanted to look for Natalee while he was on leave(I hope I am not confusing you with someone else).  Has he been a member of this forum or another?  How did he come to be so interested in Natalee's case??

You are confusing kkathy with me.  It was my husband that wanted to look for Natalee while he was on leave.  He lurks on SM when he's not in the Middle East, but he doesn't post.  No, he's not a member of any other forum that I know of.  He too is from Alabama, and we've been doing SAR for almost 20 years.  We've been married for 21 yrs.  We also did SAR on the Caylee Anthony case.

Thank you for your answer.  You did not find the other bone or anything else then, correct??


No, eventhough we were at the same area that the bone was found on the day before, we didn't find anything but a big pile of conch shells.  I wish we had found it, as I think my husband would have handled it differently than what has happened here.  I think he probably would have contacted the FBI to determine how to get it to them  and not into the hands of the Aruban authorities.


Fixed post within quote.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: carpe noctem on November 22, 2010, 11:10:26 PM
so "sad" not so "said" Be back later. Finding comfort food.. chicken noodle soup or tomato.

Love ya, IBE! Go chicken noodle... it`s my favorite... I can never get enough of it. ::MonkeyHaHa::  It is comforting.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 22, 2010, 11:12:33 PM
CBS42 Birmingham just had the report...they had Jossy on the phone.  He said
that Hurricane Tomas was powerful enough to completely reverse the currents
in the ocean.  Instead of taking things out to sea, it washed things into shore.

Then Tim Miller was on by phone.  He said that this bone probably came from
one of his previously located 141 targets and the strong current let some of
the small bones escape the container.  He said by following the currents they
can narrow the targets down to about 50 instead of 141 and locate the one
holding the rest of the remains.  He said that they have a boat in Trinadad on
standby ready to go and retrieve the targets and they hope to have all of Natalee's
remains home by Christmas.  He said the search will begin in less than two weeks.

Tim Miller said that he has been in constant contact with Dave and Dave is
cautiously optimistic.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 11:14:23 PM
CBS42 Birmingham just had the report...they had Jossy on the phone.  He said
that Hurricane Tomas was powerful enough to completely reverse the currents
in the ocean.  Instead of taking things out to sea, it washed things into shore.

Then Tim Miller was on by phone.  He said that this bone probably came from
one of his previously located 141 targets and the strong current let some of
the small bones escape the container.  He said by following the currents they
can narrow the targets down to about 50 instead of 141 and locate the one
holding the rest of the remains.  He said that they have a boat in Trinadad on
standby ready to go and retrieve the targets and they hope to have all of Natalee's
remains home by Christmas.  He said the search will begin in less than two weeks.

Tim Miller said that he has been in constant contact with Dave and Dave is
cautiously optimistic.

Thank you Magnolia


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 22, 2010, 11:17:59 PM
CBS42 Birmingham just had the report...they had Jossy on the phone.  He said
that Hurricane Tomas was powerful enough to completely reverse the currents
in the ocean.  Instead of taking things out to sea, it washed things into shore.

Then Tim Miller was on by phone.  He said that this bone probably came from
one of his previously located 141 targets and the strong current let some of
the small bones escape the container.  He said by following the currents they
can narrow the targets down to about 50 instead of 141 and locate the one
holding the rest of the remains.  He said that they have a boat in Trinadad on
standby ready to go and retrieve the targets and they hope to have all of Natalee's
remains home by Christmas.  He said the search will begin in less than two weeks.

Tim Miller said that he has been in constant contact with Dave and Dave is
cautiously optimistic.

Thanks Magnolia!   ::MonkeyKiss::

Now I think I'm going to be sick!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

That boat in Trinidad just stays on stand-by for these guys doesn't it?  Can't help but wonder what's up with that? 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on November 22, 2010, 11:19:33 PM
Natalee Holloway Update (video)
Awaiting results of bone analysis on possible Holloway link
There will be an email blast

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4431234/natalee-holloway-update/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 22, 2010, 11:20:01 PM
NOVEMBER 22, 2010 - TIM MILLER - DAVE HOLLOWAY

Results Expected Soon on Jawbone Possibly Linked to Natalee Holloway
18-year-old Natalee Holloway disappeared during a trip to Aruba in 2005
KTLA
 4:52 p.m. PST, November 22, 2010


Tim Miller, director of Texas EquuSearch -- a search-and-rescue organization that has looked for Natalee Holloway -- said the girl's father believes it is his daughter's bone.

"Dave has been in contact with Aruban authorities and spoke with FBI this morning, the agent working the case. Dave believes it is Natalee," Miller said about Holloway's father, Dave Holloway.

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-aruba-bone-fragments-natalee-holloway,0,5323920.story


++++++


ISSUES WITH JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL
Bone Being Tested in Natalee Holloway Case
Aired November 22, 2010 - 19:00:00   ET


CARLOS DIAZ, HOST:  Let`s right now go to Tim Miller. He`s the director of EquuSearch.

You`ve helped search for Natalee, and you`re in close contact with her dad. Why does he think that the bones are Natalee`s and this bone is Natalee`s?

TIM MILLER, DIRECTOR, EQUUSEARCH: You know, he`s cautiously optimistic. And I think he really thinks that this probably is Natalee.

You know, the initial was that it was the jawbone of a young female. I`ve been in Aruba nine different times in this search. I`m real close with the authorities in Aruba and people in Aruba. We don`t have another female that is missing. We don`t have one that drowned and has not been found.

And we truly feel, as though -- and we felt this a long time ago, is that we`ve got to remember the night Natalee disappeared is the night the fisherman`s hut was broken into. The big crab trap was stolen, the knife, the rope.

Three years ago we went to Aruba at this very time, and we went there for one month to do the deep water search. And Louis Shaffer put a $1 million budget on that. We ended up over there in almost three months, and it came to about $1.8 million. And we`ve got 141 targets out there in the sea in Aruba.

And the only reason we didn`t continue is because it went so far over budget. But we`ve been talking with Louis Shaffer and Don Suvetti (ph) that was over there before with us. We`re doing pre-planning right now on getting another ship over there to actually send -- the only people in the world that would know exactly where every one of them targets are at.

DIAZ: But Natalee`s father -- but Natalee`s father in this case does believe the jawbone is Natalee`s.

MILLER: Yes, he does. You know, and we`ve got to understand, too, that Natalee`s mom and Natalee`s dad are both running on emotions right now.

And you know what? I talked to Dave today, and I said, "Dave, how are you really doing?"

And he says, "You know what? I really don`t know." He said, "No matter what the news is, it`s going to be disappointing. If it comes back that it`s not Natalee, it`s another roller-coaster ride," and he just really wants it to come to an end. If it comes back it is Natalee, then you know the reality hits that, you know, that miracle is not going to happen. Natalee really is deceased. And then they really have to face that.

So what this family has went through 5 1/2 years and what they`re going through now, I mean, they just need all of our support and our love and our prayers.

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1011/22/ijvm.01.html
 



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: FloridaKatz on November 22, 2010, 11:21:49 PM
I'm still hung up on whether the jawbone washed up or whether it was planted, so I'm just going to put this out there for thought.  The Bubali Bird Sanctuary is just that, a Sanctuary, so they would not have drained the marsh when she first went missing, as it would cause harm to the bird habitat.  Just seeing how the Aruba authorities are, I just don't think they would have drained it. 

So, the last week of October and the first week of November, hurricane Tomas churns around in the southern Caribbean, with a turn to the north.  Aruba is known by it's locals as the "hurricane graveyard", where hurricanes die and throw their after effects off on Aruba.  Then while this is going on, a large storm moves off the northern coast of Venezuela and over Aruba.  The combination of all this rain has caused the bird sanctuary marsh to "overflow", and push water through the wash and out into the ocean. (just south of Divi Phoenix).  Then the winds (and it's crazy windy down there anyway, couple that with a strong storm system) kick up these huge waves that start throwing shells and tons of seaweed back on shore.

What if she had been placed in the marsh, her remains stayed there until the rains, then the remains were washed out into the ocean, and then the strong waves washed her remains back in ? 

I just can't get past the idea that after 5 years, bones are just now washing up on shore.  It's either something as simple as described above, or else something very hinky is going on (not that we're surprised by that).

Sorry for the rambling, just thinking out loud  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 22, 2010, 11:22:05 PM
CBS42 Birmingham just had the report...they had Jossy on the phone.  He said
that Hurricane Tomas was powerful enough to completely reverse the currents
in the ocean.  Instead of taking things out to sea, it washed things into shore.

Then Tim Miller was on by phone.  He said that this bone probably came from
one of his previously located 141 targets and the strong current let some of
the small bones escape the container.  He said by following the currents they
can narrow the targets down to about 50 instead of 141 and locate the one
holding the rest of the remains.  He said that they have a boat in Trinadad on
standby ready to go and retrieve the targets and they hope to have all of Natalee's
remains home by Christmas.  He said the search will begin in less than two weeks.

Tim Miller said that he has been in constant contact with Dave and Dave is
cautiously optimistic.

Thanks Magnolia!   ::MonkeyKiss::

Now I think I'm going to be sick!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

That boat in Trinidad just stays on stand-by for these guys doesn't it?  Can't help but wonder what's up with that?  


Had the same thought, TM.   Have had the targets in mind with all of this and the cross Dave found near the beach.  Now, all of a sudden another search is a 'go'.  I guess that means that means they have about a 5th of the million to do a partial.   Whatever.  

Sorry, I was stuttering.   


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 22, 2010, 11:23:46 PM
CBS42 Birmingham just had the report...they had Jossy on the phone.  He said
that Hurricane Tomas was powerful enough to completely reverse the currents
in the ocean.  Instead of taking things out to sea, it washed things into shore.

Then Tim Miller was on by phone.  He said that this bone probably came from
one of his previously located 141 targets and the strong current let some of
the small bones escape the container.  He said by following the currents they
can narrow the targets down to about 50 instead of 141 and locate the one
holding the rest of the remains.  He said that they have a boat in Trinadad on
standby ready to go and retrieve the targets and they hope to have all of Natalee's
remains home by Christmas.  He said the search will begin in less than two weeks.

Tim Miller said that he has been in constant contact with Dave and Dave is
cautiously optimistic.

Thanks Magnolia!   ::MonkeyKiss::

Now I think I'm going to be sick!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

That boat in Trinidad just stays on stand-by for these guys doesn't it?  Can't help but wonder what's up with that? 


I just wrote what was said.  Notice I didn't even add and eyeroll or a dancing monkey.

I believe Jossy about the reversed currents.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 11:25:45 PM
I'm still hung up on whether the jawbone washed up or whether it was planted, so I'm just going to put this out there for thought.  The Bubali Bird Sanctuary is just that, a Sanctuary, so they would not have drained the marsh when she first went missing, as it would cause harm to the bird habitat.  Just seeing how the Aruba authorities are, I just don't think they would have drained it.  Too big to drain IMO

So, the last week of October and the first week of November, hurricane Tomas churns around in the southern Caribbean, with a turn to the north.  Aruba is known by it's locals as the "hurricane graveyard", where hurricanes die and throw their after effects off on Aruba.  Then while this is going on, a large storm moves off the northern coast of Venezuela and over Aruba.  The combination of all this rain has caused the bird sanctuary marsh to "overflow", and push water through the wash and out into the ocean. (just south of Divi Phoenix).  Then the winds (and it's crazy windy down there anyway, couple that with a strong storm system) kick up these huge waves that start throwing shells and tons of seaweed back on shore.

What if she had been placed in the marsh, her remains stayed there until the rains, then the remains were washed out into the ocean, and then the strong waves washed her remains back in ?  Possible but more likely she was in a trap/cage and the jawbone fell away from the rest and was washed ashore due to Hurricane Tomas

I just can't get past the idea that after 5 years, bones are just now washing up on shore.  It's either something as simple as described above, or else something very hinky is going on (not that we're surprised by that).  We may never know.  Aruba does not normally get the kind of storms that they got with Tomas, so maybe it's different because of Tomas.

Sorry for the rambling, just thinking out loud  ::MonkeyEek::

My comments in red above.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 22, 2010, 11:28:34 PM
CBS42 Birmingham just had the report...they had Jossy on the phone.  He said
that Hurricane Tomas was powerful enough to completely reverse the currents
in the ocean.  Instead of taking things out to sea, it washed things into shore.

Then Tim Miller was on by phone.  He said that this bone probably came from
one of his previously located 141 targets and the strong current let some of
the small bones escape the container.  He said by following the currents they
can narrow the targets down to about 50 instead of 141 and locate the one
holding the rest of the remains.  He said that they have a boat in Trinadad on
standby ready to go and retrieve the targets and they hope to have all of Natalee's
remains home by Christmas.  He said the search will begin in less than two weeks.

Tim Miller said that he has been in constant contact with Dave and Dave is
cautiously optimistic.

Thanks Magnolia!   ::MonkeyKiss::

Now I think I'm going to be sick!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

That boat in Trinidad just stays on stand-by for these guys doesn't it?  Can't help but wonder what's up with that? 


I just wrote what was said.  Notice I didn't even add and eyeroll or a dancing monkey.

I believe Jossy about the reversed currents.

Someone posted on one of those bulletin boards about the reversal of currents or the winds....I think it was the thread I posted about the weather several days back.  I believe it, too, Magnolia.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 22, 2010, 11:29:07 PM
I'm still hung up on whether the jawbone washed up or whether it was planted, so I'm just going to put this out there for thought.  The Bubali Bird Sanctuary is just that, a Sanctuary, so they would not have drained the marsh when she first went missing, as it would cause harm to the bird habitat.  Just seeing how the Aruba authorities are, I just don't think they would have drained it. 

So, the last week of October and the first week of November, hurricane Tomas churns around in the southern Caribbean, with a turn to the north.  Aruba is known by it's locals as the "hurricane graveyard", where hurricanes die and throw their after effects off on Aruba.  Then while this is going on, a large storm moves off the northern coast of Venezuela and over Aruba.  The combination of all this rain has caused the bird sanctuary marsh to "overflow", and push water through the wash and out into the ocean. (just south of Divi Phoenix).  Then the winds (and it's crazy windy down there anyway, couple that with a strong storm system) kick up these huge waves that start throwing shells and tons of seaweed back on shore.

What if she had been placed in the marsh, her remains stayed there until the rains, then the remains were washed out into the ocean, and then the strong waves washed her remains back in ? 

I just can't get past the idea that after 5 years, bones are just now washing up on shore.  It's either something as simple as described above, or else something very hinky is going on (not that we're surprised by that).

Sorry for the rambling, just thinking out loud  ::MonkeyEek::

JMO FloridaKatz,  but the same reasons for believing she may have washed out to sea from there... are the very same reasons she would have never been left there.

They all KNEW it was a possibility!

And it would have been too much of a risk of her being found by other means.

Again, JMO.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: akmom on November 22, 2010, 11:33:19 PM
We had Channel 3 Eyewitness News, Hallie Jackson, at our home tonight. (I mentioned this in an earlier post)  It was very nerve wracking but we all got through it.  They are putting it on the air tonight at 11:00PM Eastern time.  They mentioned that CNN would probably used some of the video clips too at some point.  I feel so relieved that we should all find out tomorrow whether the DNA matches Natalee.   I am praying..... :)

If you wouldn't mind a question.  Did you say that your husband wanted to look for Natalee while he was on leave(I hope I am not confusing you with someone else).  Has he been a member of this forum or another?  How did he come to be so interested in Natalee's case??

You are confusing kkathy with me.  It was my husband that wanted to look for Natalee while he was on leave.  He lurks on SM when he's not in the Middle East, but he doesn't post.  No, he's not a member of any other forum that I know of.  He too is from Alabama, and we've been doing SAR for almost 20 years.  We've been married for 21 yrs.  We also did SAR on the Caylee Anthony case.

Thank you for your answer.  You did not find the other bone or anything else then, correct??


No, eventhough we were at the same area that the bone was found on the day before, we didn't find anything but a big pile of conch shells.  I wish we had found it, as I think my husband would have handled it differently than what has happened here.  I think he probably would have contacted the FBI to determine how to get it to them  and not into the hands of the Aruban authorities.


Fixed post within quote.

Thank you so much for being patient with my confusion.  And please thank your husband for me for his service to our country.  We are retired Air Force, but mine never had to deploy.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: IBE on November 22, 2010, 11:37:07 PM
so "sad" not so "said" Be back later. Finding comfort food.. chicken noodle soup or tomato.

Love ya, IBE! Go chicken noodle... it`s my favorite... I can never get enough of it. ::MonkeyHaHa::  It is comforting.

Ran out of both so settled for crackers, peanut butter, and tea/honey.
http://science.howstuffworks.com/science-puzzles.htm (http://science.howstuffworks.com/science-puzzles.htm) electronic jigsaw puzzles. No table mess! Goes along with comfort food and when you can't sleep. Clicking on the big images below the puzzle will lead you to home/garden, geography et al subjects of puzzles.  Clicking on "more" will show you more puzzles under the same subject.

My favorite ones are under Science... the ones with the bottles going to the right and the space launches. Then again, the sunflowers are fun.

I am on dial up so I go to the puzzle I want, have it go apart or whatever the name is then go off line and can keep doing it over and over by clicking on the same picture below. My computer works faster than dial up. Then I go back online.

This is a good site to pass time and not bite the fingers or get more gray hairs. Careful, is addicting but will help the time go by until tomorrow. PS closing eyes when puzzle breaks apart helps otherwise, I can "cheat". ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 22, 2010, 11:37:18 PM
With all those who have gathered and are just temporarily away, here holding out hope for Natalee:

CBB, akmom, Maw, Lady Devon, PJ, snoopy, Mere, macy, atlgirl, carpe noctem, pinetucky, Chata, Green Eyes, spooky112483, pink angel, texasmom, Tamikosmom, MuffyBee, sb, Frijole, littlebuddy598, BabsKats, melliebell, annintex, Judge Mental, Helen Back, Alabamaanna, 7227, 2NJSons_Mom, windy city, sandy leiva, islandmonkey, BlueKYGirl, klaasend, Frank, Magnolia, Northern Rose, FloridaKatz, callie4u and 52 Guests are viewing this topic.






Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 22, 2010, 11:38:45 PM
Forgot until just now....Tim Miller also said:  We'll probably also find her clothes in that container.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 22, 2010, 11:39:06 PM
Why do Tim Miller, John Silvetti and Francis Schaefer refuse to accept the word of the ship's ROV operator/analyst in his professional determination that nothing Natalee Holloway case related is in those targets?

Janet

+++++


NO RELEVANCE - MARCH 3, 2008

oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #739 3/3 -
« Reply #79 on: March 03, 2008, 05:47:47 PM »


Several hours of footage were of other (ROV) dives on other targets. None were of any relevance. Most targets were of peculiar coral pinnacles, man-made debris, and ship wrecks.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360047;topicseen#msg360047


NO POTENTIAL INTEREST - JUNE 28, 2008

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
The logs are in a safe somewhere. John and Ryan Poff (one of John's project managers) knows where it is. I can't get copies of the logs at this time. Perhaps in a few months. The target locations are in the safe, although I also have them in a safe spot.  I don't care about the other targets though. I don't think any of it is of any potential interest. Mainly junk, coral, and debris. (06/28/08)

Kermit - Scared Monkeys


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 22, 2010, 11:39:22 PM
CBS42 Birmingham just had the report...they had Jossy on the phone.  He said
that Hurricane Tomas was powerful enough to completely reverse the currents
in the ocean.  Instead of taking things out to sea, it washed things into shore.

Then Tim Miller was on by phone.  He said that this bone probably came from
one of his previously located 141 targets and the strong current let some of
the small bones escape the container.  He said by following the currents they
can narrow the targets down to about 50 instead of 141 and locate the one
holding the rest of the remains.  He said that they have a boat in Trinadad on
standby ready to go and retrieve the targets and they hope to have all of Natalee's
remains home by Christmas.  He said the search will begin in less than two weeks.

Tim Miller said that he has been in constant contact with Dave and Dave is
cautiously optimistic.

Thanks Magnolia!   ::MonkeyKiss::

Now I think I'm going to be sick!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

That boat in Trinidad just stays on stand-by for these guys doesn't it?  Can't help but wonder what's up with that?  


Had the same thought, TM.   Have had the targets in mind with all of this and the cross Dave found near the beach.  Now, all of a sudden another search is a 'go'.  I guess that means that means they have about a 5th of the million to do a partial.   Whatever.  

Sorry, I was stuttering.   

Or maybe they won't need much funding at all...maybe some powers that be in Aruba want them to come back and "find" again...what they found three years ago; and bring her home this time....to get some monkeys off their backs!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: IBE on November 22, 2010, 11:40:23 PM
Finally, with the Cambell's chicken noodle with less salt I can taste the chicken and the noodles. Thanks Klaas, for letting us do O/T on comfort food while we wait.

Justice for Natalee and all that are suffering.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: FloridaKatz on November 22, 2010, 11:42:36 PM
We had Channel 3 Eyewitness News, Hallie Jackson, at our home tonight. (I mentioned this in an earlier post)  It was very nerve wracking but we all got through it.  They are putting it on the air tonight at 11:00PM Eastern time.  They mentioned that CNN would probably used some of the video clips too at some point.  I feel so relieved that we should all find out tomorrow whether the DNA matches Natalee.   I am praying..... :)

If you wouldn't mind a question.  Did you say that your husband wanted to look for Natalee while he was on leave(I hope I am not confusing you with someone else).  Has he been a member of this forum or another?  How did he come to be so interested in Natalee's case??

You are confusing kkathy with me.  It was my husband that wanted to look for Natalee while he was on leave.  He lurks on SM when he's not in the Middle East, but he doesn't post.  No, he's not a member of any other forum that I know of.  He too is from Alabama, and we've been doing SAR for almost 20 years.  We've been married for 21 yrs.  We also did SAR on the Caylee Anthony case.

Thank you for your answer.  You did not find the other bone or anything else then, correct??


No, eventhough we were at the same area that the bone was found on the day before, we didn't find anything but a big pile of conch shells.  I wish we had found it, as I think my husband would have handled it differently than what has happened here.  I think he probably would have contacted the FBI to determine how to get it to them  and not into the hands of the Aruban authorities.


Fixed post within quote.

Thank you so much for being patient with my confusion.  And please thank your husband for me for his service to our country.  We are retired Air Force, but mine never had to deploy.

Will do, thanks so much !  Thanks to your husband too !!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: akmom on November 22, 2010, 11:42:52 PM
Forgot until just now....Tim Miller also said:  We'll probably also find her clothes in that container.

I am trying hard not to be furious, as I believe that container was a baggie in a drawer ::MonkeyMad::

I feel as though we are at a vigil, waiting..... I am having trouble leaving....


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 22, 2010, 11:43:08 PM
Forgot until just now....Tim Miller also said:  We'll probably also find her clothes in that container.

Wonder if they'll still be in the ziplock baggies!  

Tim Miller sounds mighty confident about all of this!  


 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 22, 2010, 11:45:08 PM
Forgot until just now....Tim Miller also said:  We'll probably also find her clothes in that container.

I am trying hard not to be furious, as I believe that container was a baggie in a drawer ::MonkeyMad::

I feel as though we are at a vigil, waiting..... I am having trouble leaving....

I am furious, and I should probably take another break...

but like you...I'm having trouble leaving.  ::MonkeyWaa::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 22, 2010, 11:46:41 PM
Forgot until just now....Tim Miller also said:  We'll probably also find her clothes in that container.

Wonder if they'll still be in the ziplock baggies!  

Tim Miller sounds mighty confident about all of this!  


 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::


I was waiting for him to ask for donations...but it wasn't mentioned.  Neither did
he mention Silvetti or Shaeffer.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 22, 2010, 11:49:40 PM
Forgot until just now....Tim Miller also said:  We'll probably also find her clothes in that container.

We know

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/trapcolor1md9.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: snoopy on November 22, 2010, 11:50:10 PM
Well sumpin ain't right I'll tell ya that.  All of a sudden a search is being put in play.  Got a boat just waiting......oh and prolly find her clothes too.   Have her home by Christmas..............

If they find her in one of those 141 other targets.............(seriously shaking head)

I believe with all my heart they had her 2 years ago.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: akmom on November 22, 2010, 11:50:51 PM
Forgot until just now....Tim Miller also said:  We'll probably also find her clothes in that container.

I am trying hard not to be furious, as I believe that container was a baggie in a drawer ::MonkeyMad::

I feel as though we are at a vigil, waiting..... I am having trouble leaving....

I am furious, and I should probably take another break...

but like you...I'm having trouble leaving.  ::MonkeyWaa::



Yep, years before I talked, I would read here, but with all the code talk I was so freaked out that I had to step away.  I just never knew that so much evil existed.  I will probably sleep with the TV on again tonight....the news alert music from Fox should wake me up....


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: snoopy on November 22, 2010, 11:55:23 PM
I don't want to leave either.  I just want Natalee brought home so bad.  Hubby told me tonight to please not get so worked up like I did years ago.  I do believe I was here 24/7 lol  But I can't help it.  I can't even begin to imagine what Dave and Beth are going through.  God Bless them.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: snoopy on November 22, 2010, 11:58:01 PM
This has been such a chain of events lately.  Beth really stirred something up a few weeks ago when she was in Aruba.  Wonder what it was that got Tim so riled up?  hhhmmmm my mind is spinning now.  haha


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 22, 2010, 11:59:01 PM
Forgot until just now....Tim Miller also said:  We'll probably also find her clothes in that container.

Wonder if they'll still be in the ziplock baggies!  

Tim Miller sounds mighty confident about all of this!  


 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::


I was waiting for him to ask for donations...but it wasn't mentioned.  Neither did
he mention Silvetti or Shaeffer.

Maybe the second recovery is on Aruba's dime!  ::MonkeyWink::

 ::pullinghairout::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: carpe noctem on November 22, 2010, 11:59:19 PM
Tim,

Do not let your mouth write a check...

That your

(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/TimMillerLisaHoffman2008.jpg)


Can`t cash.


One day at a time, brother.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 22, 2010, 11:59:47 PM
This has been such a chain of events lately.  Beth really stirred something up a few weeks ago when she was in Aruba.  Wonder what it was that got Tim so riled up?  hhhmmmm my mind is spinning now.  haha
::MonkeyKiss:: ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 23, 2010, 12:03:06 AM
Forgot until just now....Tim Miller also said:  We'll probably also find her clothes in that container.

We know

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/trapcolor1md9.gif)

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 23, 2010, 12:03:29 AM
Forgot until just now....Tim Miller also said:  We'll probably also find her clothes in that container.

Wonder if they'll still be in the ziplock baggies!  

Tim Miller sounds mighty confident about all of this!  


 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::


I was waiting for him to ask for donations...but it wasn't mentioned.  Neither did
he mention Silvetti or Shaeffer.

Maybe the second recovery is on Aruba's dime!  ::MonkeyWink::

 ::pullinghairout::



Tim said a while back ...the Jen Hale interview...that they had $1.5 million
earmarked for the search of the 141 targets.  Then when he drew criticism,
he retracted the statement...said it hurt donations.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 23, 2010, 12:05:11 AM
I know Snoopy. I did three days work today hoping to be able to stay home tomorrow. I find myself wishing Thanksgiving was next week..............    ::MonkeyNoNo::

I want Beth and Dave to be able to bring her home!! I want Natalee's remains to have a respectful burial and for there to be a place Beth can take flowers! I want Beth to feel like she has accomplished all she can do and I want her to know that this last act she can do for Natalee has been accomplished purely out of her heart and the determination of love from a Mother for her daughter!

I want Natalee to be far from the evil of Aruba!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: sb on November 23, 2010, 12:06:31 AM
Gathered 'round the circle in our Cage tonight, waiting with all of you.

Sounds like Dave may have some info that hasn't been released as of yet, but he sounds pretty certain.

I noted that glenda posted on the human refuse site & said that the results would go to JQK so that he could inform the family, right before they make the announcement (back around pg. 21-22 or so). This could be why it's been all quiet on the front today. But of course the accuracy and validity of that source is rather questionable. To say the least.

Rob, my friend, is of the opinion that finding remains will immediately "validate" all of the evidence collected and will trigger the case (that has already been built) at last. I don't know if I am that optimistic that this will wind up being the difference-maker that we may think it is. I am kind of questioning if there will be much forensic value in this small remains that could be unequivocally used against JVDS or K2. Given that Aruba and Holland have such a high bar set against any incrimination of ANY kind for even a CLEARLY GUILTY person...

UNLESS... they have (a) evidence we don't know about, and (b) the WILL to go for broke and press on with a vengeance to try the case, I still feel like Justice for Natalee may more or less have to ride shotgun to Justice for Stephany Flores.

But it will be Justice nevertheless.

And THAT is how God does things. You may walk today, but you will hang the next time.

Wonder what happens to the Kalpoes LOL.

I still am kind of overwhelmed with the thought that we may finally sort of have Natalee tangibly WITH US, whereas those of us who never met her have only kind of known OF her, in an abstract way, through a glass darkly, by means of the memories of her family and the accounts of what happened there on that island that night. And I am gladdened by the thought that she may at last, COME HOME in a physical sense.

But of course we know where she REALLY is, and where she has been that night, don't we?

I thought when Joran went to jail that we were getting some fulfillment at last. THIS would be to me, even bigger. That Beth gets to bring her Home.

Let Us Continue...   


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 23, 2010, 12:11:03 AM
Wonderful Post sb!! GREAT to see you!!  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on November 23, 2010, 12:12:44 AM
A possible second bone has been found off the coast of Aruba, and Nancy Grace spoke with the tourists who found it. (video)

http://www.cnn.com/video/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_freevideo+%28RSS%3A+Video%29&utm_content=Twitter#/video/crime/2010/11/22/ng.aruba.bone.found.hln


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 23, 2010, 12:13:34 AM
This has been such a chain of events lately.  Beth really stirred something up a few weeks ago when she was in Aruba.  Wonder what it was that got Tim so riled up?  hhhmmmm my mind is spinning now.  haha

I will never get over how Tim turned on Beth. Never.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 23, 2010, 12:14:52 AM
A possible second bone has been found off the coast of Aruba, and Nancy Grace spoke with the tourists who found it. (video)

http://www.cnn.com/video/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_freevideo+%28RSS%3A+Video%29&utm_content=Twitter#/video/crime/2010/11/22/ng.aruba.bone.found.hln

Thanks, NR!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 23, 2010, 12:17:05 AM
A possible second bone has been found off the coast of Aruba, and Nancy Grace spoke with the tourists who found it. (video)

http://www.cnn.com/video/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_freevideo+%28RSS%3A+Video%29&utm_content=Twitter#/video/crime/2010/11/22/ng.aruba.bone.found.hln

6-8 inches long about an inch or so wide according to the mom


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 23, 2010, 12:17:07 AM
Forgot until just now....Tim Miller also said:  We'll probably also find her clothes in that container.

We know

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/trapcolor1md9.gif)


The January 7, 2008 Recovery Dive

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
  For Jan 7th, Eduardo wasn't on the boat, neither were any media, Tim Miller, or Tim Trahan.

Kyle Kingman: The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.

Kyle Kingman:  Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF

Kyle Kingman: In my opinion, the blue fabric is quite possibly Natalee's skirt. The divers found the denim where I suggested a week earlier (Dec 29th) to Tim Miller that there was likely Natalee's denim skirt under the sand. Also in my opinion, the deni-like fabric is a match in terms of color, quantity, and structure to Natalee's skirt.

Kyle Kingman: The fabric(s?) are not visible on either the Dec 29th or 30th dives. There is about an inch of sand over the fabrics. The fabrics are completely covered. The diver sampled the sand and found the fabric underneath the sand. He then bagged the blue fabric. If the other bag contains fabric, it was also in the sand.

Kyle Kingman:  The bags were removed just after the ROV got out of the way when the divers took the samples to their boat.... and took off.

Kyle Kingman: They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th.

Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kyle Kingman:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

Kermit


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: IBE on November 23, 2010, 12:18:31 AM
CBB, Hi

Refresh my memory please. How did Tim turn on Beth? TIA


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 23, 2010, 12:21:19 AM
CBB, Hi

Refresh my memory please. How did Tim turn on Beth? TIA

I'm sure Janet can find the exact transcript but it was on Steph Watts radio show and after Beth went to see Joran in jail.  Tim more or less said what Beth did was wrong.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 23, 2010, 12:22:34 AM
CBB, Hi

Refresh my memory please. How did Tim turn on Beth? TIA

Hey IBE!!

Tim was critical of Beth's visit to Peru and of her visit to the prison to see Joran. I'll go look for the links for you.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 23, 2010, 12:22:52 AM
Forgot until just now....Tim Miller also said:  We'll probably also find her clothes in that container.

Wonder if they'll still be in the ziplock baggies!  

Tim Miller sounds mighty confident about all of this!  


 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::


I was waiting for him to ask for donations...but it wasn't mentioned.  Neither did
he mention Silvetti or Shaeffer.

Maybe the second recovery is on Aruba's dime!  ::MonkeyWink::

 ::pullinghairout::



Tim said a while back ...the Jen Hale interview...that they had $1.5 million
earmarked for the search of the 141 targets.  Then when he drew criticism,
he retracted the statement...said it hurt donations.

Yes he did, and then he backtracked and said they didn't have a dime for another search!  Now suddenly it's on again!

Remind's me of a song my FIL used to sing a lot when my boys were little, and my boys always got a kick out of it.

Don't let the devil ride...don't let the devil ride...cause if you let him ride, he'll surely wanna drive...don't let the devil ride.

Carpe will get a kick out of this guy, and that looks like it could be a young Kyle on drums!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLZ9XKZn3vE&feature=related


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: islandmonkey on November 23, 2010, 12:24:15 AM
I'm still hung up on whether the jawbone washed up or whether it was planted, so I'm just going to put this out there for thought.  The Bubali Bird Sanctuary is just that, a Sanctuary, so they would not have drained the marsh when she first went missing, as it would cause harm to the bird habitat.  Just seeing how the Aruba authorities are, I just don't think they would have drained it. 

So, the last week of October and the first week of November, hurricane Tomas churns around in the southern Caribbean, with a turn to the north.  Aruba is known by it's locals as the "hurricane graveyard", where hurricanes die and throw their after effects off on Aruba.  Then while this is going on, a large storm moves off the northern coast of Venezuela and over Aruba.  The combination of all this rain has caused the bird sanctuary marsh to "overflow", and push water through the wash and out into the ocean. (just south of Divi Phoenix).  Then the winds (and it's crazy windy down there anyway, couple that with a strong storm system) kick up these huge waves that start throwing shells and tons of seaweed back on shore.

What if she had been placed in the marsh, her remains stayed there until the rains, then the remains were washed out into the ocean, and then the strong waves washed her remains back in ?  I just can't get past the idea that after 5 years, bones are just now washing up on shore.  It's either something as simple as described above, or else something very hinky is going on (not that we're surprised by that).

Sorry for the rambling, just thinking out loud  ::MonkeyEek::

I can see this, we have had 35 ft pieces of EXTREMELY heavy driftwood pieces wash onto shore (and just in rough waves, and small storms) and wash back out the next storm, even a hardhat from one of the crew of the DeepWater Horizon that blew up off the coast of Louisina washed ashore here on Pensacola Beach.....so, I could see this as a possibility


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 23, 2010, 12:25:31 AM
CBB, Hi

Refresh my memory please. How did Tim turn on Beth? TIA

WATT'S UP WITH THIS? STEPH WATTS & TIM MILLER 9/19/2010 (PARTIAL) TRANSCRIPT

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8625.0


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 23, 2010, 12:27:00 AM
CBB, Hi

Refresh my memory please. How did Tim turn on Beth? TIA

I'm sure Janet can find the exact transcript but it was on Steph Watts radio show and after Beth went to see Joran in jail.  Tim more or less said what Beth did was wrong.


texasmom
WATT'S UP WITH THIS? STEPH WATTS & TIM MILLER 9/19/2010 (PARTIAL) TRANSCRIPT
« on: September 24, 2010, 01:13:25 AM »


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8625.0



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: IBE on November 23, 2010, 12:29:06 AM
It's OK. I remember now. Am doing two browser windows... one here and one on electronic jigsaw puzzles. Had to hit the shift key to see the puzzle "a cheat feature" because my mind and heart are really here.

Thanks all!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: IBE on November 23, 2010, 12:31:31 AM
Almost to cage change. Who is going to take us in?  4-3-2-1 bingo


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 23, 2010, 12:32:44 AM
Gathered 'round the circle in our Cage tonight, waiting with all of you.

Sounds like Dave may have some info that hasn't been released as of yet, but he sounds pretty certain.

I noted that glenda posted on the human refuse site & said that the results would go to JQK so that he could inform the family, right before they make the announcement (back around pg. 21-22 or so). This could be why it's been all quiet on the front today. But of course the accuracy and validity of that source is rather questionable. To say the least.

Rob, my friend, is of the opinion that finding remains will immediately "validate" all of the evidence collected and will trigger the case (that has already been built) at last. I don't know if I am that optimistic that this will wind up being the difference-maker that we may think it is. I am kind of questioning if there will be much forensic value in this small remains that could be unequivocally used against JVDS or K2. Given that Aruba and Holland have such a high bar set against any incrimination of ANY kind for even a CLEARLY GUILTY person...

UNLESS... they have (a) evidence we don't know about, and (b) the WILL to go for broke and press on with a vengeance to try the case, I still feel like Justice for Natalee may more or less have to ride shotgun to Justice for Stephany Flores.

But it will be Justice nevertheless.

And THAT is how God does things. You may walk today, but you will hang the next time.

Wonder what happens to the Kalpoes LOL.

I still am kind of overwhelmed with the thought that we may finally sort of have Natalee tangibly WITH US, whereas those of us who never met her have only kind of known OF her, in an abstract way, through a glass darkly, by means of the memories of her family and the accounts of what happened there on that island that night. And I am gladdened by the thought that she may at last, COME HOME in a physical sense.

But of course we know where she REALLY is, and where she has been that night, don't we?

I thought when Joran went to jail that we were getting some fulfillment at last. THIS would be to me, even bigger. That Beth gets to bring her Home.

Let Us Continue...   

So true!  Great to see you SB!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on November 23, 2010, 12:33:19 AM
Almost to cage change. Who is going to take us in?  4-3-2-1 bingo

Always happy to help.

Love to see you posting with us IBE


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 23, 2010, 12:35:31 AM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)

Justice for Natalee...

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

and Stephany!  

 ::MonkeyJustice::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: IBE on November 23, 2010, 12:36:07 AM
Thanks, what time is it in Aruba?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 23, 2010, 12:36:56 AM
Thanks, what time is it in Aruba?

IBE, I believe Aruba is on Eastern Time so it would be 12:36am there now


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: carpe noctem on November 23, 2010, 12:37:31 AM
TM- That was funk-tabulous! ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 23, 2010, 12:38:43 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/06032005b.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 23, 2010, 12:39:48 AM
TM- That was funk-tabulous! ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  I thought you'd like it!   ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: sb on November 23, 2010, 12:40:03 AM
BTW since I haven't said it yet, welcome to all our newer Monkeys!

And to grn lizard, Go Gators! ( For what good THAT does us this year!)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 23, 2010, 12:43:02 AM
www.people.com

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/06202005_PeopleMagazine_1-1-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 23, 2010, 12:45:33 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/HopeforNatalee_BoycottAruba.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: IBE on November 23, 2010, 12:47:43 AM
Sad, how we have lost so many young girls that wish to be doctors. Natalee and then Morgan in VA. (our Monkey Blink's site, blinkoncrime.com, a sister site to Scared Monkeys) sister site, is that right? Klaas?

TM I have that picture on my computer when I start feeling sorry for myself. Gripping and sad. Please post it in the next thread too.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: IBE on November 23, 2010, 12:48:45 AM
I think Donna Jou wanted to be a doctor too or a scientist.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on November 23, 2010, 12:48:48 AM
Once again I will be sleeping through all the happenings and will wake to find another 50 pages of posts to read and catch up.

Although I have no expectations of the Aruban officials doing anything decent, as you would expect from a so-called civilised country, I so hope that tomorrow's announcement will be able to bring some sort of closure to Beth and Dave.

My admiration for Beth continues to this day.


 ::koala::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 23, 2010, 12:49:25 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/NataleeDavePic4.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: billb's daughter on November 23, 2010, 12:50:13 AM
The tests will be positive but they will say it's a fake, forgery and the Dutch Legal System will not recognize it as Natalee's remains even though it really is. It will be found that a certain porn star is claiming the jawbone is her's and that Charlie Sheen knocked it out of her. Gloria Allred is representing the boy who found the second bone and Tacopina is representing the first family, likely the same family that saw the beach flasher (Holloway trivia) Arlene pops up to lisp her way to an explanation as to the Dutch legal system needing at least 20% of a body to declare it a body. Aruba will impose a $500,000.00 export tax on the Holloways if they want the bone brought home. Allred and Tacopina will sue for a finder's fee.

Pieces of Natalee. I'm numb to savagery after all these years.
No Tiger Wood??
Frank...you can do better.... ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 23, 2010, 12:52:00 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Holloway_beach.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 23, 2010, 12:53:14 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_kjjkik_1-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 23, 2010, 12:54:59 AM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/moderator%20pics/MODLOCK1.gif)

Please move to Natalee #853

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8987.0


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
Post by: IBE on November 23, 2010, 12:55:35 AM
Tried to cheat and jump to the new cage. Was caught with my name up on top. TM bring all those over for there will be new readers tomorrow who need to be updated of the reminders of the past. Those pictures and articles are great.