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Scared Monkeys.com: Natalee Holloway
http://scaredmonkeys.com/category/natalee-holloway/

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Thanks Klaas!  I love that one!   ::MonkeyDance::

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Present and accounted for! Justice to all missing, deceased and exploited adults and children. This is what Scared Monkeys do!

Haven't been on 1st page in a cage changeover for years! ::MonkeyDance::

That is so beautiful, thanks islandmonkey!   ::MonkeyKiss::

I'm so glad you're here tonight IBE!   ::MonkeyAngel::

Whew!  That was scary!   ::MonkeyWaa::

Glad we're back!   ::MonkeyDance::

Front page was down too!  Not for long though.   ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks TM I am glad to be here more ways than one! Justice for Natalee and Stephany and all those that need it! Good night. See you later today! or tomorrow depending where you are.

Gee, I thought it was my dial up! Going to try to get some sleep but will be hard. I have tears and at the same time wish to ride shot gun which probably isn't right but sure feels good.

Nite IBE - I'm not far behind.  Tomorrow will be a busy day and hopefully finally some small resolution for Beth and Dave.

Good night IBE!  See you later!   ::MonkeyCool::

Thank you~it wasn't the one I was looking for, but it still has a special message .....that is our Island Cross on the Beach and she used to come here and babysit in the summer with a family from Alabama, just across the street so everyone tonight is holding their breath and saying a prayer.

Thanks Klaas.  ::MonkeyAngel::Sorry, can't seem to let go. Sometimes I sense we are going to have an earthquake. Sometimes true, sometimes not. Have the same same sense tonight about Tuesday. Will play electronic jigsaws till tired and hope for the Truth whenever.

Video from CBS42 is up.  I think this is the one Magnolia told us she heard earlier.

http://www.cbs42.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=24122@wiat.web.entriq.net&navCatId=3

so good to see so many Monkeys and new Monkey posters here all in support for Justice for Natalee..... ::MonkeyAngel::
I do believe this is it and Natalee is coming home! And if that is the case...Let's Honor Natalee and  pray for Natalee, Beth, Dave, Jug, and family... ::MonkeyAngel::

FWIW...I will spend the next 5 + years dogging aruba, urine, k2, anitass, glend ho......disinfo crew, persistence..guildo..gottenbergs...rudy......steve croes......van de statten.....spelling may be off.......hope you get my drift.....

I feel as a newer monkey, I am more comfortable (for the most part) lurking here. I have to say though, I am blown away at the sheer power of love that comes through your posts!  Trying to think of words to describe, and love is the best, I think. I will continue to be here with my support and prayers. 
I have to work in a few hours, so I will be heading to bed. I will be praying for an answer soon...thank you, for all you do and have done for Natalee...she deserves no less.

I forgot to add, abig thank you for allowing me to be a part of this.   

Beautiful CBB!  Thank you!   ::MonkeyKiss::

Thanks, TM. Can you believe it? Dedicating this thread to finding Natalee may actually be fruitful this time??

I don't think there's really anything new in this article, but I couldn't tell that without typing it out and translating it so I figured I should go ahead and post it.

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=2

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Papiamentu translation:

advocate general taco stein is ‘basha bow’ on foutnan haci the fayonan co owing to deal the caso holloway, ministerio publico will not ripiti one of two times while cu nothing owing to leave still confirma for of the netherlands of the bone

oranjestad- the foutnan cu ministerio publico owing to haci in caso of natalee holloway will not wordo ripiti, “e damage there we do not haci for one of two bes” advocate general taco stein owing to declara saturday ultimo during one session of question in one simposio on privacidad of person, y freedom of publicacion. confronta cu the question cu pakico owing to deal the caso of natalee holloway various of all another caso anterior, stein owing to admiti cu ministerio publico owing to haci foutnan cu not will wordo haci more. among they, the form con they owing to atende cu prensa internacional y another asuntonan.

the matutino here owing to confronta stein cu the question pakico have the impresion cu owing to crea one period “pre” y “post” holloway mirando cu owing to work the caso here various cu another casonan. in caso holloway enves of preteha privacidad of person as cu is the caso ordinarily, owing to cuminsa employ nombernan completo of tanto sospechoso because; victimanan siendo cu this do not nothing accustomed in sistema of corte dutch, y consecuentemente of aruba also.

stein owing to show cu mirando con prensa of merca y another part of world owing to cuminsa deal the caso here cu all atencion y papiaabiertamente of the nombernan as cu they're custumbra at merca, not had sense of employ inicialnan as jvds or b. t. already cu everybody was know cu was talk of beth twitty y joran vd sloot. while cu stein at owing to indica cu they owing to sucumbi for presion mericano, is the scenario not conoci here owing to place cu they owing to haci thing they owing to haci.

thing cu stein owing to sigura good morning aruba the instant there is cu if dado caso come one caso similar style holloway, they will “no deal the casi here mescos”. the aberration there we do not haci two biaha” stein owing to sigura the matutino here.

for thing is the caso of tratamento of prensa mericano various on esun of aruba, stein owing to sigura cu this do not the caso. berdad have one crew of filmacion of prensa mericano n aruba cu is buscando informacion but same cu they owing to tell end, they do not give nothing till hour cu have confirmacion at the netherlands of cu wesonan cu owing to wordo send recientemente, stay confirma or not cu is of a muher y posiblemente natalee holloway, the lady mericano cu owing to lose at aruba at may of 2005.

while cu everybody is believe cu is fiscal parent peter blanken at the netherlands owing to tell prensa mericana cu “e kaak is of one lady hoben’ that do not exactly thing owing to happen. via via, owing to come compronde cu blanken his expresionnan owing to wordo saca for of contexto y owing to let slek cu is “blanken owing to declara cu the wesonan achieve is of one kaak procedente of one lady hoben’ never blanden owing to declara this directamente at prensa mericano according stein. “mi owing to tell y is stop on cu adieu cu nado not come fast, we not can declara nada” stein owing to digura the matutino here saturday morning.

all the time vocero of ministerio publico owing to indica at the matutino here diabierna cu so cu have informacion new, will this leave at cla, but cu not can tell nothing adieu. if dado caso come informacion in end of week the will owing to vocifera this also. “no is so cu ministerio publico is close in end of week for informacion” the vocero owing to let know at the matutino here. but till cu yesterday tardi, not had nothing of informacion new. come across

I've been up and down about that today, but I'm still hoping!   ::MonkeyAngel::

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August 2009

Taco Stein and Hans Mos


Don't you know Hans Mos is so glad he took his purse and got outta dodge!   ::MonkeyDevil::

Beautiful, CBB.  And TM always starts/ends the threads with the best pics.  Hopefully tomorrow Natalee's family will get some real answers (and not via MSM).

Hans Mos, that chuckle head! How could we forget him?

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That's beautiful, TM!

Sleuth I can't help but hope that tomorrow will be the day, the first day since Natalee went missing, that things go Beth's way. I think it's a real testament to how horribly wrong the events in this case are when the day you get proof that your daughter is dead, it's in any way an accomplishment.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

God Bless Natalee's Parents! My prayer tonight is for Beth, Matthew and Dave. I pray that they will be comforted in their grief and that God will give them peace in whatever is to follow.

Oh, I will never forget him! There was a time when I believed him and he gave me hope for honesty. Boy, what a shmuck I was!

I definitely never forget every name and face associated with Natalee`s case.

The ones that have done dastardly deeds know they will burn in hell.

It`s the price you pay for selling your soul.

I wonder if Aruba will add any new ones to the mix, tomorrow?

I sure hope not. I don`t know about everyone else... but I have another 20 to 30 years worth of a can-o-whoopass left. If Aruba wants more, I will keep getting up day after day... just like the sun and moon. It`s nothing but a thang, really. I will always have time for Natalee in my day planner.

San.......is it okay if we can take CBB's creation on pg. 1 and put it on the opening post? While we await news....it would be appropriate for the beginning of this thread.

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1011/22/ng.01.html

I think that's a good idea Nut.  Go for it.  You are up early too.

I copied Magnolia's post from a previous thread.  I am to the point that I can't stand Tim Miller anymore.  He is a media hog and it's not always about Tim Miller.  I don't trust him anymore and I think he is FOS.  They already know where Natalee is.  Someone cut a deal and they are making it look like they just found her.  JMO

What's the matter Tim you can't mention Natalee's mother Beth.  Because she is the reason we are all here now.  Beth's visit to Peru made this happen.  Tim is pissed at her for ruining his plans.  I am going to shut up because I'm starting to get mad.

I copied Snoopy's post from the previous thread too and I'm bolding every word she said because she is right.

K.....ty. Yes.....been up since 3:30.

Tim Miller needs to put his ego aside and accepted what has happened had nothing to do with him.  What a desperate man.

I don't see a clip of the interview on their site but it's being aired on the local station.  Here is the link.  Perhaps they do not post it or they wait.  Hallie Jackson stated to us last night that they may be coming back after the jaw bone's DNA results are announced to get a post-interview.  Could be tonight.

http://www.wfsb.com/news/index.html

Channel 3 Eye Witness News (CT)

I am praying so hard that the Holloway family gets some answers today.  They are in the worst possible situation not knowing where Natalee is.  If the jaw bone's DNA matches Natalee's, then this family can know that she is with the angels and that may ease some of the pain.  It's hard for me to peek in here from work but I will try very hard to check for updates all day. 
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He doesn't have many success stories. Natalee and Caylee Anthony are under his belt. What a shame. He has no experience in searching other than raising money and creating false hope. I'm so diasppointed in his services. I have respect for his efforts but I don't have faith in his actions.

Anyway, since Tim did locate places I'm sure there have been scuba divers out there who have tampered with the crime scene.

I copied Magnolia's post from a previous thread.  I am to the point that I can't stand Tim Miller anymore.  He is a media hog and it's not always about Tim Miller.  I don't trust him anymore and I think he is FOS.  They already know where Natalee is.  Someone cut a deal and they are making it look like they just found her.  JMO
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I reached that point a long time ago.I feel ya!!! I lost it for him when the trap was found,a cry for donations, then a sudden departure before mine was ever cashed... ::MonkeyMad::


Edited to correct my typo = San

Tim was a hero to many.  He gave people hope.  He crossed the line once he bashed Beth.  The evil came out in him that night and he can never take it back because we all heard him.

I agree.  It's the not knowing that is driving everyone in this case.

It's unfortunate.  I will never donate a cent to his cause.

Have a good day everyone.

Hopefully the news that will come out of Aruba will put an end to this nightmare for Natalee's parents.

Klaas,  Please don't think I am O/T on this. I am, getting to the point at the end of this to say how important it is to learn from all who are here and all who have gone before us, including our sweet, much to live for, Natalee, Stephany,  Peaches and Jamie. First a note to CBB then the rest...

CBB

If you get tired of waitin' and frustratin a growin', may I pul-ase have some pretty Christmas flowers  or somethin on my imp avatar, but if it gets really busy tomorrow, I a willin to wait 'til things die down.

BACKGROUND TO GET TO YOUR COMPLIMENT AT THE END
Picked some of these ways of talkin' from reading and trying to find my great, great, great, great, great great, great grandfather whose family and religious friends were persecuted (drown, burnt at the stake, starved, frozen, imprisoned, executed in Switzerland for their religion so some fled to Germany, Palatine area..also known as Palatines). They were very early Protestants called Anabaptist  (but known as Mennonites when they came to America (PA) and the Amish split from them)  A few changed in the Colonies to early Baptist churches, Lutheran, and Brethren.  Anyway grandpa Johannes (my grandpa to the 8th) was Swiss but 1st generation born in Germany then he came here in 1749. Was a Blue Ridge Mountain Pioneer farmer Mennonite and a Kentucky Pioneer. Indian Scout, surveyor, Cumberland Compact signer ( first constitution of non Indian and residents on the American Frontier)  frontier Doctor and lived with Daniel Boone in Fort Boonesborough. He did other neat things in forming American but it's taken months to find them and write them down. Many clerks spelled his name phonetically, he probably was too scared of govt. retribution, to contradict anyone because of the violence in his past and then their religion was for little government, more for the people, nonviolence, oath to God.

 Well ... 25 different spellings of his last name. Been working 9 mos. Thank goodness my mother and her uncles/great uncles had oral history from the back to late 18th century but we didn't know what was true or what was embellished. So far it's all been true. Research I have found with the internet has helped me finally find his daughter's grave in VA on her husband's farm. Still there. There are 5 unmarked graves. My grandfather, to me is still missing, until I know where he is buried. He might be unmarked as some early ones did, perhaps not on purpose. Or he might be missing and buried about 4 miles up the road in VA. where is farm used to be. Wish I knew someone around there. When the family came to Indiana we have the history. The farm where my Inidiana grandfathers and my mom was born is still a working farm, plus open to the public for applies et al and the round barn is still there. I'd be mighty proud if you ever get to visit.. Pleak farm, southish of Greensburg Indiana..which is not too far SE of Indianapolis. (by the way, I am giving no security away as our family names listed here are not my parents legal names while living and not mine now) A whole new story for another time.

Got back so far to 1300. Back on the Wallaces 1023. Mistakes in Braveheart, a direct relative of mine, his lately translated Archaic Latin battle plate was translated wrong. His father is really the brother who was in the movie.

My point is that as bad as it has been for Natalee herself, her family, friends and our Scared Monkey Family here, I have learned from here and from working, months, finding my ancestors

to see how import it is to remember them, honor them, find them with missing graves because to me those still are missing persons, learn from their survival in their time (called history for us) for the long or shorter years on earth FOR WE ARE THEM

Good Bless all those who have proceeded us.

I will always indebted to Natalee, Stephany, their parents, family, and the Monkey Family here for learning Goodness.

Of course I had my eyes opened by violence (personally and here) more than I wished, but what I have learned of Evil, real Evil..... how it changes Souls, creeps into all places when sometimes you don't even know it is there until??? and grows. All in plain sight!

Evil in some people, some governments, elitism, cronyism, corruptness and the evil act of not acting all feed by evil but maybe not thinking that was as it was happening but keep going in plain site even after others begin to think the actions were evil.

Natalee, and our Scared Monkey Family have helped me learn more about Faith, God, Good Works, more Faith, Justice, Love, and open my eyes to evil and need to get more God like. Her death has not been in vain.

I have many quirks, like most, but I will not watch violent movies, raps. Never did for I think even though it might be on in another room our mind remembers everything and down deep will made me more evil if I watch them, especially, over and over. It will desensitize so we won't be and do Good.

HERE'S THE HIP-HIP ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: PART
ready???

IMO (in my personal opinion for those just learning)

Scared Monkeys with their collective Minds, questioning, setting forth Main Stream Media to get their facts straight, Goodness, research, Faith, even protesting when Aruba was at travel shows "Where's Natalee", backing Red, Jossy, The Holloways, The Twittys, Tim and all searchers from here who searched in a search, searched here in the US because they learned from and loved Natalee.  Even the talk of an "eye for eye' and "riding shotgun" is good in it's own way. It makes us think we couldn't (shouldn't) so ponder other more upright ways to be better. Oh hecky-durn.

All this will go down as the first of its kind in the History of the Internet and will be remembered how the good collectiveness of the Internet can do Good Works, works even for an exciting future!

OK there was some reading to get your mind off of waiting.

Lost the candle link for Natalee. Help please?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0

I don't expect to hear anything until apx. 4:59 pm. That way they can send out the mass email and close down the police station for the day.......take the back roads home, lol.....and hide.

The TV Channel Investigative Discovery is running their special "Who Killed Natalee Holloway" this morning. 

I wonder if this is just a coincidence and it was already scheduled or if they are running it because of the finding of the bone in Aruba.

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http://www.myfoxal.com/Global/story.asp?S=13554553
New developments expected in Holloway investigation
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MOUNTAIN BROOK, AL (WBRC) - New developments are expected Tuesday in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Aruban prosecutors say they will release the results of tests on a jawbone found on the beach there.

Investigators said last week that they believed the bone came from a female. It was found earlier this month on the western beach of the island of Aruba. The bone was sent to Europe for tests, first to determine if it is the bone of a human or an animal. The FBI sent Natalee Holloway's dental records to the Netherlands for comparison.

An Aruban official says prosecutors will issue a statement today with test results.

It has been more than five years since Natalee Holloway was last seen during a graduation trip to Aruba in 2005.

 

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=NAH

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Nat%27s

I think it's so odd that the eath has given up two jawbones in what are obvious murder cases.We had a 911 operator come up missing and well she finally was found or at least her remains.The jawbone was the first discovery..Just odd..

http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_184640.asp

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I reached that point a long time ago.I feel ya!!! I lost it for him when the trap was found,a cry for donations, then a sudden departure before mine was ever cashed... ::MonkeyMad::


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Tater, mine was cashed and I never heard from it and it was disignated for the search for Natalee.

IBE, my ancestors are from Shenandoah valley.  I sure don't want to discourage you but I have been working on finding my great grandfathers gravesite for the last 12 years and it would only be no more than 25 miles from me.  I will not give up though because my mother died not knowing hardly anything about her mothers family.  I do it for her. 

I think this is why I do it for Natalee also.  Family is important.  Knowing where they are in the afterlife is important.  A place to visit, to remember, to cry at. 

God bless Beth, Dave and Matt.  I am here off and on today (unless I get fired for getting on this website).

Tater, mine was cashed and I never heard from it and it was disignated for the search for Natalee.
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Mine was cashed too but after the departure and it also was designated for Natalee but that doesnt mean it went there.It still makes my blood boil...(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/mad.gif)

Me too....and I also never received a thank-you.

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We never even got our shirts for joining the orlando one way back when. Plus the other donations never a thanks either <shrugs>
Like everyone else we gave him benifit of doubt but this was last straw. I couldnt even watch him last night talking i was boiling with the talk about the targets and the boat on stand by! Sadly it is bitter sweet because I feel he got lost along the way.

Quote from: kkthy on November 22, 2010, 10:05:21 PM
We had Channel 3 Eyewitness News, Hallie Jackson, at our home tonight. (I mentioned this in an earlier post)  It was very nerve wracking but we all got through it.  They are putting it on the air tonight at 11:00PM Eastern time.  They mentioned that CNN would probably used some of the video clips too at some point.  I feel so relieved that we should all find out tomorrow whether the DNA matches Natalee.   I am praying....

I live in CT also I saw you on Channel 3 Eyewitness News.
 You Brought tears to my eyes when you were crying.
You seem like a very nice person.
If this is Natalee Thank You for taking good care of her we have been lookin for her for 51/2 years now.
You will never be the same. I thought I found her in a picture and it has changed my life since.
I still think in my heart this is Natalee. I think they put her in the water, but where?


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http://www.cbs42.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=24122@wiat.web.entriq.net&navCatId=3

This is another video of Tim Miller on CBS42 last night.

The first one I listened to was shorter and didn't mention the boat in Trinidad or the hopefully "home by Christmas"...this one does.

You can watch it at the link above, or click on the picture below.

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jj-  I'm not going to turn this into a Tim Miller thing in this thread, but I want to make note that you are wrong here, and it's not just my opinion.  Tim Miller and Texas Equusearch actually DO have many success stories, and as far as your statement about him having no experience searching other than raising money and creating false hope?  Wrong.  Wrong.  He has helped many over the years and when I get some coffee in me, I can go find some links and statistics for you.  I believe in giving credit where credit is due.  In my opinion, what has people here (including me) so ticked off at Tim Miller is because he HAS been so good in the past helping find the lost, including Natalee, and supported Beth.  Then the problems seemed to start with the Persistence.  And then he turned on Beth, saying the awful things he said on the Steph Watts show.  Yep, I understand people's anger (and I'm mad too) at Tim Miller, but please keep the facts straight.  Tim Miller and Equusearch are very experienced in finding the lost and are still being asked by LE to assist, such as in case just this week (Joshua Wilkerson) and it's on Scared Monkeys Missing Forum.  I too would like to find out just why Tim Miller disparaged Beth Holloway and what went on with the Persistence.  I'm mad as he77 over that.  But as far as Tim having no experience searching and not having many success stories?  That's just not true.

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I got a really nice thank you when I donated to TES.   

Same thing my other half said! :2doh:

First time poster - hope this works.

I am confused about the trap that they found way back when.  Was it just left there?  I thought the Aruba po-lice took it off along with it's contents?  Now they are going back, NOW, to retrieve it and what is inside it? 

Great - I finally get accepted as a monkey and I gotta work today!!  Of all days.

Also, I had the privilege of hearing Beth speak at a Prayer Breakfast several years ago - she is truly an admirable woman.

Agreed Muffy is why it is such a struggle to understand what happened.  As i said somehow i think he got lost if im saying that right. 

Just anxiously awaiting the results....

BHT: Aruba never had the decency to give this grief stricken family the closure they so desperately needed and deserved. We can not even begin to imagine the roller coaster of emotions that the island has put them through.

Aruba: Certainly, they should know by now the results. Just like the old days, they are probably having closed door meetings to strategize and map out any possible outcomes from this news. The Karma train is coming their way, though.

Joran: If this indeed is NH's remains, the "no body, no case" theory shall no longer apply. According to other posters who stated that the FBI were mere witnesses to a confession by Joran (near June 9, 2005), this physical evidence should seal his fate. ALE should not be able to wiggle away from this one, unless Arlene Schippers re-writes the law down there. Aruba will have a body and a confession, at the very least.

K2, and other peripheral participants: The snowball may have begun rolling downhill. Better get out of the way.

Keeping my fingers (and toes) crossed for good (and long overdue) news...The world is watching.

thank you Muffy....I was hoping someone had straightened jj out about TEXASEQUUSEARCH.....which is more than just Tim..

Highly doubtful?  How many young female body parts do they have washing up on their beaches?  Must be a lot.

Investigators are expected to reveal whether a jawbone found in Aruba belongs to Natalee Holloway, who disappeared without a trace in 2005. But, details are emerging on how that bone was found on the beach by a man from Lebanon on a trip with his friends.

Both of the couples said that if the bone does belong to Holloway, they just want her family to know that they treated the discovery with dignity and have been going through a range of emotions ever since they found it.

The friends from Andover and Lebanon flew to Aruba earlier this month to celebrate their wedding anniversaries together.

They said the bone was found on the last day of their trip.

"It was out last day at The Phoenix," said David Knox, of Andover. "We decided to relax and enjoy the beach."

So the couples, celebrating their 35th wedding anniversaries at the resort, took a swim.

However, while Gil Beaulieu's wife and friends sat in the sun, he strolled the beach.

"Gil was trying to find that perfect shell," Knox said.

Beaulieu said, "I noticed there wasn't a lot of people in that area, so I thought maybe I could find some shells."

Beaulieu, from Lebanon, said he noticed a really shiny one that caught his eye.

"I picked up the shell first," he said. "Then I saw the bone. I hesitated because I kind of knew what it was right off the bat."

He said he brought it to his wife, an X-ray technologist who looks at bones every day.

"You do hesitate, because you're not expecting to find a human bone," said Eileen Beaulieu.

"All the teeth were missing except for one molar in the back," Gil Beaulieu said. "It was in good shape."

Such good shape that they could even see a tiny hole in the tooth.

By now, Kathy Knox said she had Natalee Holloway in her head.

"That was basically what I was thinking about," she said. "Is it Natalee?"

They said they put the jaw bone in a plastic cup and then Beaulieu and Knox brought it to the hotel lobby where security took it.

After dinner, a note in their hotel door requested they call police right away.

That's when it was real," Knox said.

Authorities are now analyzing the bone to see if it belongs to Holloway.

And if it is, Eileen Beaulieu said she want's Halloway's mother to know they took care of it respectfully.

"I'd want her to know that we took care of it. We treated it with dignity," Beaulieu said.

"I began to think of the family," said Kathy Knox. "You know, if this is Natalee maybe the family can have some closure."

And if not, at least, perhaps answers for someone.

Fighting back tears, Kathy Knox said, "I don't even know the family, but if my child was missing I can't even imagine being as strong as she has been."

"We all hope very much that this puts an end to somebody's heartache," Gil Beaulieu said.

http://www.wfsb.com/news/25889547/detail.html

GrnLizrd -I think you see what I mean.  If Tim Miller and Equusearch had always been shysters or thought of as having a havey-cavey operation and never found anyone then I don't think I would be nearly as mad as I am about what's gone on with the Persistence and with his Beth Bashing.  But there was a certain amount of hope and trust (and money) invested and that was shattered later on in Natalee's case.  And that's JMHO.

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Thank you MuffyBee!   ::MonkeyCool::

Very well stated, and I agree!  And yes, I'm mad too in case anyone missed that in the last thread.

It's so great to see you Blah, and also of course, Judge Mental, pink angel, trimmonthelake, MalteseMom, mz_maven, Frijole, cadillac, BUCKSHOT, blah, texasmom, GrnLizrd, Nut44x4, ssanders, Harper, SunnyinTX, Tater, akmom, Lifesong, Green Eyes, numbersgirl, Kimmy53, darla, littlebuddy598, Sassycat, PJ, Monken, theboyzmom, megamooo, RoxiBalboa, AZSunny, tbivens (+ 1 Hidden) and 35 Guests are viewing this topic this morning. 

jj-  I'm not going to turn this into a Tim Miller thing in this thread, but I want to make note that you are wrong here, and it's not just my opinion.  Tim Miller and Texas Equusearch actually DO have many success stories, and as far as your statement about him having no experience searching other than raising money and creating false hope?  Wrong.  Wrong.  He has helped many over the years and when I get some coffee in me, I can go find some links and statistics for you.  I believe in giving credit where credit is due.  In my opinion, what has people here (including me) so ticked off at Tim Miller is because he HAS been so good in the past helping find the lost, including Natalee, and supported Beth.  Then the problems seemed to start with the Persistence.  And then he turned on Beth, saying the awful things he said on the Steph Watts show.  Yep, I understand people's anger (and I'm mad too) at Tim Miller, but please keep the facts straight.  Tim Miller and Equusearch are very experienced in finding the lost and are still being asked by LE to assist, such as in case just this week (Joshua Wilkerson) and it's on Scared Monkeys Missing Forum.  I too would like to find out just why Tim Miller disparaged Beth Holloway and what went on with the Persistence.  I'm mad as he77 over that.  But as far as Tim having no experience searching and not having many success stories?  That's just not true.
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I'm certainly not going to dispute any of this! As far as what he said about Beth,I have no knowledge of it though I have seen it referenced here a few times.I'm not even going there to see as I need nothing else to fire my soul..I'm sorry Muffy if I offended you in anyway..(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/Tot5658/empathy.gif)

Hiya Muffy  ::MonkeyWink::

Thanks for setting the record straight, Muffy.  It is true that Tim Miller has many, many success stories.

Unfortunately, he also has his own personal demons which have made him vulnerable to the manipulations of others. 



2/14/2010

Tim Miller on Steph Watts’ blog talk radio show “Watts Up With This?” (http://www.blogtalkradio.com/watts-up-with-this/2010/02/15/watts-up-with-this)       



2/28/2010
   
Tim Miller on Steph Watts’ blog talk radio show “Watts Up With This?” (http://www.blogtalkradio.com/watts-up-with-this/2010/03/01/watts-up-with-this)   

Back at ya babe!
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Good morning monkey friends!  After all these years - what can possibly be said?  Thinking of Natalee's family and friends today.  Hoping for closure that they so deserve.  It's time to bring our dear Natalee home where she belongs.  Can't help but think of Natalee's favorite movie and the line we all know:  THERE IS NO PLACE LIKE HOME, THERE IS NO PLACE LIKE HOME.

May today be the day that Natalee is allowed to go home where she is so loved and missed.  RIP Freebird Angel RIP

Frijole
 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

 I do see. I dont post much because you guys read my mind most of the time!  ::MonkeyTongue::
 But the fact is the reason I have daily read this thread for 5.5 yrs is because of the love and dedication and total respect for each other and all of the victims and familys.
 I love the tight ship that is kept here. And i must also say after reading over there last night for awhile i had forgot how lucky we are to have this site to calll our own.  I may not type alot but believe me behind the scenes I am a monkey through and through.  I am usually just a shy quiet one  ::MonkeyDevil::
 Good to see so many here in the last few days warms the heart. I also miss our Peaches and some of the others. As I said I don't type much but I"m here everyday logged in or not. Sorry for the long post I guess it's the wait.

Edit to fix typos per Grn's request.  MB

I bought into it too, CBB. 

And talk about getting sent to bed early cause my nose was pressed up against the glass here.............caused me anxiety I tell ya. lol  I thought something happened.  I'm addicted to Scared Monkeys. haha  What a great place.

Morning Monkeys.

I'm praying for Dave and Beth.   

ack! Muffy could you fix my typo in the I miss sentence PLease. So sorry i was doing the San Stutter i think. Lack of sleep maybe <shrug>

Done.  I miss Peaches too.  MB

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/11/23/earlyshow/main7082039.shtml
Nov. 23, 2010
Word on Possible Holloway Jawbone Today?
DNA Results Expected in Aruba; Beth Holloway's Friend: She Can Accept, whether Bone Is Natalee's or Not

Thanks for the welcome, Muffy Bee.  I have been following this case from the beginning, usually in the rafters.  I hope and pray that this family gets some closure.  I can't imagine what they have been through for the past 5 + years.  If it is Nat, and I pray that it is, nothing will be solved.  It will only put to bed the fact that we know she is deceased.  All of the Aruban players are still behind the scenes.  I pray that someone will try to make this right.  It is beyond time to do this.

Thanks trimmonthelake!   ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/11/23/earlyshow/main7082039.shtml

Nov. 23, 2010

Word on Possible Holloway Jawbone Today?

DNA Results Expected in Aruba;
Beth Holloway's Friend: She Can Accept, whether Bone Is Natalee's or Not

(CBS)  Today it's expected that the family of Natalee Holloway will finally find out if a jawbone found on a beach in Aruba belonged to the missing U.S. teen.

CBS News correspondent Kelly Cobiella reported from Oranjestad, Aruba.

Aruban authorities are expected to announce the results of DNA tests.

If a match is made, prosecutors could use this new evidence to finally tie her death to their primary suspect.

The testing that could solve the mystery of Natalee Holloway's disappearance is now complete.

The 18-year-old's family is waiting to hear whether her daughter's DNA is a match to the most promising clue yet, found on this windswept beach in Aruba, not far from where Natalee Holloway was staying when she disappeared in 2005.

Dr. Cyril Wecht, a forensic pathologist, told CBS News, "The DNA is going to be the gold standard; that's going to be the acid test."

Holloway was last seen with Joran van der Sloot, the 23-year-old Dutchman currently awaiting trial in Peru for the murder of 21-year-old Stephany Flores. Van der Sloot was arrested twice in connection with Holloway's disappearance but was never charged. In 2006, the lead Aruban investigator in the case spoke with "48 Hours" correspondent Troy Roberts about the suspected killer.

Roberts asked Gerold Dompig, "What did FBI profilers tell you about Jordan van der Sloot's psychological profile?"

Dompig replied, "Well, they used the word 'sociopath' and the fact that he was capable of lying about basically everything."

Roberts asked, "Pathological liar?"

Dompig answered, "Yes."

Waiting for the test results has been agonizing for Holloway's family, but experts say prosecutors might be using the time to strengthen their case against van der Sloot.

CBS News Legal Analyst Lisa Bloom said of the case, "If this is Natalle Holloway's jawbone investigators can go back and look at all Joran van der Sloot's statements and try to match them up with the new evidence, especially the location of where this was found. Does it match up with his stories about where he left Natalee or where he supposedly dumped her body?"

But even if the test results prove that Holloway died in Aruba, Cobiella remarked, how she died is still a mystery.

Cobiella added there have been many false leads and false confessions in this case over the past five years, and there is still the possibility that this jawbone could be another false lead.

Carol Standifer, a close friend of Natalee's mother Beth Holloway, agreed on "The Early Show" from Birmingham, Ala., that this could be a false lead and that her friend is prepared for whatever the DNA results could reveal.

"We've had a lot of ups and downs and a lot of really unusual circumstances happen throughout this entire event and this is just one more thing that we have to deal with right now," she said.

She added, "If it is Natalee, she's prepared to accept that. I think she has a level of acceptance right now with the situation, no matter how it turns out, how ever the results turn out. If it's not Natalee, we have a greater tragedy because that would mean there would be two unsolved murders on the beach in Aruba. It's even a greater tragedy, really, if it's not Natalee."

Standifer says all Beth Holloway wants is an answer.

"Any mother would," she said. "We have been searching for her for over five years and I think if it is Natalee, there will be some semblance of closure. Of course, it won't be complete closure, because we really don't know for sure exactly what happened."

"Early Show" co-anchor Maggie Rodriguez said perhaps those answers will come from Joran van der Sloot, whom Beth Holloway has confronted about her daughter's disappearance.

Standifer said Beth Holloway would like to hear from van der Sloot.

"She would like to know what happened, and I feel one day she will know one day what happened," she said. "But we never know what Joran will do. We never know how he's going to react in any situation. We just have to wait and see."

But Beth Holloway, Standifer said, will endure the announcement, either way.

"She has moved on with her life in a way. She is doing a lot of work with missing children, missing people. She has a foundation for Natalee in Washington, which she already started and done a lot of work with, and she's done a lot to further awareness of missing children, so I think she will just continue with this. If it is Natalee, I really can't say what her next step will be. I don't know if she knows exactly what her next step will be. We just have to take things one day at a time, which is really what we've had to do throughout this entire situation."

Morning all ... Sorry way behind in my reading and catching up on the thread.

I actually spoke with Beth about this a while back and she stated she had no idea why he was acting or saying anything negative. Nothing happened that she was aware of. I think Tim needs to remember how many TES functions that Beth did for them.

I think he needs to remember the big picture and that is Natalee Holloway went missing. Being a parent of crime I would like to think that this should be easy for him.

ITA tbivens.  I've seen you in the rafters over the years, and it's great you're here posting your support.   ::MonkeyKiss::

Welcome Cadillac - hope someone answers your question.  I haven't had my first cup of coffee so I'm in no position to  ::MonkeyCool::

This is not completely true. TES has done many searches in the past on cases that never make the news. They have been a part of sucessful searches, the MSM just never thought the cases were worth covering.

That does not mean that I have to scratch my heads in how some of the higher profile cases were dealt with.

Good morning Red.  Thank you for sharing your conversation with Beth concerning Tim Miller.  And ITA with you.

Welcome tbivens and Cadillac.  And anyone else I may have missed.

Thank you Red for Scared Monkeys.  And thanks for your kind words the other day.  I'm sorry for your loss too.

Here's hoping for some answers today......but either way it goes,,,,,
 Love & prayers for ♥ Natalee ♥ and her family always!!


All of you should be very proud, you have stood up for Nat & her family since day 1!!   Thanks for the major commitment and honor you have shown.



 :smt060 :smt060 :smt060

141 areas targeted and never searched. Um.

Morning monkeys.

Thank you Muffy, I appreciate your words.

Sunny, I have to go to work in an hour. Can you text me the results on Natalee? I won't be able to check in till after 7pm. Appreciate it!!
 ::MonkeyKiss::

Well hubby just called and ask if I thought I might possibly want to work on a job-site today?  You'd think after 29 years he'd know that I am the boss of me.  Well guess I better go.  I'll BBL PDQ

Good morning Red!  

Thanks for the update.  

Beth's reaction to Tim's behavior reinforces my suspicion that Tim's sudden lack of decency is more than likely directly related to the company he's keeping.  

That's still no excuse for what he did, he crossed the line.

JMO

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

If this is correct.  Also, I believe the Netherlands is about 8 hours ahead of us:

http://www.hartvannederland.nl/nederland/zuid-holland/2010/uitsluitsel-gevonden-kaak-aruba/

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/NataleeJawboneDutchPaper.jpg)

So when would that be?  This morning?  I'm so confused ::MonkeyCool::

kkathy...  Your interview brought tears to my eyes.  I thank you from the bottom of my heart for treating the remains with the respect they deserve - whether they be Natalee or some other lost soul.  This case has been handled with so much disrespect throughout.  You restore my faith that there are still those with compassion in their hearts.  I'm truly happy (as happy as one can be under the circumstances) that YOU and your family were the ones to come across this discovery.  Blessings to you and yours!

       

Thanks, Muffy.  If only I didn't have to work, I feel I would be a stronger supporter!  But, I sneak in here every chance I get and read all of the comments.  Like most of you, I am just appalled that something like this could happen in this day and time.  My blood is beyond boiling in this tragic case. 

 Same here.. cause I was going to ask if anyone knew what time the announcement was going to be made!

I like the last line.  That Van der sloot is currently "stuck" in Peru.   ::MonkeyDance::

Morning Monkeys. I woke up sick, emotional mess. My prayers and thoughts go out to the Holloway family. Tito, Julia and others are talking on Tito's facebook page but I couldn't figure out how to bring it over, someone might want to. I'll be here hitting refresh all day. Thanks to all the Monkeys

Thanks Klaas!

Time in Amsterdam right now...

Tuesday, November 23, 2010 at 3:59:46 PM CET

So I'm thinking about 1:30 my time which is Central.
Edit to add link-MB: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=16

will do!! 

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=16

Sorry forgot the link in my last post!   :2redface:

Its nice to see old posters and new ones come together ! ::MonkeyAngel::

I THINK - 2:30pm ET

 Thanks !!!

I have to saw that the news regarding the jaw bone has to be the best kept secret in the history of Aruba. In the past, we were always able to shake the Divi Divi trees and some one would spill the news.

I have tried many contacts both here and in Aruba and get only rumors, no hard facts. How unlike Aruba.

Because every thing is so tight lipped and normal resources who have always been in the "know" in an off the record capacity leads me to believe that Dutch & Aruba authorities have made a concerted effort to only have a few on a need to know basis.

That leads me to believe that the tests will be a match. I can't believe that they would be making such an effort to keep quiet if it were not Natalee.

As my message stated to Beth yesterday, no matter what the news is, we are thinking about her, Natalee and the family. They are all in our hearts and prayers and hope the news provided some comfort to them.

Win, lose or draw ... we have their back ... we stand with the girl ... and this is just the beginning of JUSTICE FOR NATALEE.

Yes, according to NOOR at RU:

8:30 pm dutch time is 2:30 pm EST.

It's always good to see you too Angiex.

So maybe around 1:30 central?  I can do that.

Joran stuck in Peru...............he gonna be stuck there a while me thinks.  And if he survives being stuck he's coming to Alabama.  Oh yea.

Absolutely!   ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice:: for Natalee! ::MonkeyGavel::

Good Morning Monkeys and Guest!

Did anyone else notice the above sentence "Meanwhile another piece of bone found"? Has that been reported before now?

Praying this is Natalee for her families sake. I know God is holding them close today.

Amen

Darla - after the jawbone was reported, another family from NJ said they found what looked like a rib bone.  Speculation is that it is not human but it is going for testing.

Snoop Dawg in da house !  <you are in my prayers honey.. sorry for your loss>

PeterRdeV The press conference at 17.00. If a match is P & W would like me to come, will be racing in the Arena ... So please do not wasting time!
2 hours ago from web

PeterRdeV It is a hectic evening: Ajax - Real in the Arena, but the news shows are lining up for a quootje about Natalee ...

http://twitter.com/PeterRdeV

Lots of press about bubbles Aruba bone fragment. But I keep saying: Beth Holloway knows nothing, so it seems to me strongly that it matches.

http://twitter.com/PeterRdeV

That's about 45 minutes from now!

Hmmm - you think there is a suicide watch over in Peru??

NEW ERA OF TOURISM IS LAUNCHED WITH SELECTION OF RONELLA TJIN ASJOE-CROES AS FIRST CEO OF ARUBA TOURISM AUTHORITYFormer Head of Bonaire Tourism and Aruban Native Takes Office January 1, 2011 as ATA becomes Independent, Privatized Marketing Organization

MORE...

http://www.pitchengine.com/pitch/103894/

I hope I'm home from the Dentist  he  was the one  who helped me with the body in the bag pictures ..

Edit typo.  MB

Hope not and hope he is inept and it is slow and painful and they watch.

If that Dutch article is correct on the time of the release of the statement from the Prosecutors office it will be:


8:30pm Netherlands Time
3:30pm Aruba time
2:30pm Eastern Time
1:30pm Central Time
12:30pm Mountain Time
11:30am Pacific Time

That sounds like Peter is quoting Aruba time.  Wish I knew for sure.

I told myself not to be nervous today but my gut Won't Listen
I'm afraid Aruba will screw with us again

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

LOL Good one !!   ::MonkeyDevil::

BAG

One of the Dutch tweeters just asked Peter if he meant Dutch time or Aruba time.  I will post if he responds.

I doubt it considering the prison he is already sitting in.We must remember that Natalee is second concerning Peru..If he was going to do it,I would imagine he already would have.jmo

Good morning all. I have been sneaking in and lurking, just not posting. Just adds to the list of the cruel injustices inflicted upon Natalees loved one to have to wait until a designated time to find out if the jawbone is indeed Natalee's. Guess it should come as no surprise considering how the last five plus years have unfolded.

Praying this is FINALLY it !!c ::MonkeyAngel::

<miss you chicky>   ::MonkeyKiss::

johnvandertol
Bio Work for Yahoo Broadcast West, SBS6, NOS, Alphen Stad FM / TV and shoot for various media such as newspapers, magazines and websites!

johnvandertol   I was told Dutch time.

http://twitter.com/johnvandertol
 

Judge Mental:  Thank you for your kind words.  All four of us are so emotional about this entire experience. I am at the edge of my chair waiting as all of you are.   

Oh and don't forget the suicide watch in Aruba today also.  There are too many to name there that might be worried.  Wait - nevermind - no one on Aruba has a conscience, so scratch that.

That would be then at 8:30AM Pacific, 10:30 Central and 11:30 Eastern if correct right?  So in about an hour or less.  IF CORRECT.

Bio Journalist EénVandaag Television, AVRO

Lammert
Press Conference in Aruba found about jaw brought forward to 17.00 hours instead of 20.30 hours.

http://twitter.com/lammert

Hopefully when the guilty parties attempt it, it will be Frosted Flakes time and it will be too late.  ::MonkeyGavel::

True !

So in less than 1 hour?

Good morning monkeys! So, we should be hearing pretty soon...less than an hour now. I'm stunned that they aren't waiting until the last minute.

So what station on tv to tune into? 

If the press in the NL are correct that it is Dutch time then in 15 mins is what I just calculated.

Angie - Fox or Headline News would probably be on it first. 

GRRRRR.... have to leave for work....hopefully some typo-inflicted monkey will be able to call me when the news is announced?????? ::MonkeyHaHa::

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Good Morning All! Just wanted to say before it gets crazy in here; I'm waiting along with everyone else,"Please Lord let this be Natalee". I so wish they could find all of her, but if this is all they have; its all they have.  ::MonkeyNoNo:: I'm monitoring all of the stations I can think of, who knows when this will actually be released. Love you all!  ::MonkeyKiss::

Headline News is saying any minute now!

They will bring it live as soon as they get it!

Hey, y'all...I'm here too, waiting anxiously and hoping the news brings a little bit of closure for Natalee's family.

HL News reporting a News Conference will take place any time now.....

Just emailed the boss and said I am running late...haha...but seriously!

Great,  I have a conference call in 3 minutes....aawwkkkk

It is wonderful to see so many familiar names....Hi to all.....and now we wait and pray....

Excellent idea cadillac!! Um, I'm running a bit late too, gotta make a pick up before heading into work!  ::MonkeyKiss::

Hey Everyone! :)

Marty Savage, CNN in Aruba, just reported they are waiting for some sort of announcement regarding the jawbone & Natalee's case. 

LOL...I am late as well....wish I could get a paycheck for everytime I have been late to work over this case...

Come on!!!! Let's get to it now!!!! We WANT JUSTICE!!    ::MonkeyGavel::

well here we go...

Tick Tock, Deepak.

We are not going away.

Everyone think it's her?

This gal on HLN is an idiot.  Why on earth would Natalee's family be in Aruba for this announcement?

Next hour's segment just started.  Anchor just said that as soon as they get word of the announcement from the prosecutor's office, they will switch to Marty Savage in Aruba.

I feel sick.  I cannot even imagine what Dave and Beth are feeling.  Prayers to her family.  I hope they can feel the love coming from this board this morning.

Hi Klaas!!!  ::MonkeyDance::

"prosecution" office (what a laugh) is probably wondering why all news people are there!

I switched to HLN....should I go back to CNN?   

I'm on HLN, 2NJ.  I don't typically watch during the day, but it seems to me they've got 3rd string players here carrying the ball.  Doesn't bode well.  Where is Jinkasaurus?

Hi to all my monkey friends> So good to see us back here again. Came down for the rafters like Y;all just waiting for the news. Hope for closure for Natalees loved ones. sl

HL News seems to be constantly on the coverage more than the other channels ....

Hi Willen so good to see you. I remember all your night streaming Vids for us ::MonkeyWink::

I typically don't watch during the day, either, Lifesong.  I could swear that guy she was just talking to in Aruba referred to Beth as Beth Holloway Twitter a few minutes ago.    ::MonkeyNoNo::

It's so upsetting to see Beth pour her heart out to Joran, and then to watch him tell her HE needs more time. And she is so gracious to him. So sad. My heart breaks for her.

Gotta go to work....call me Angie when it is announced...plz!
My prayers are with Natalees friends and family...either way they have been on an emotional roller coaster for the past 5 plus years. Never in my wildest dreams when I stumbled upon SM all those years ago would I have thought we would still be here today awaiting news....

Thank you kkthy.

Janet

Tim M on phone to HLN.  Dave has not heard anything

Grrrrrrr, I can't wait any longer. I have to get to work. Sunny call me when you know. Hugs to all monkeys and especially the Holloway family.

Lol yep!! I still haven't fixed my mine! haha

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA   ::MonkeyWaa:: :smt089 :smt088 I don't have cable anymore ::MonkeyWaa:: I want to see them say it.....

I meant that I haven't fixed my mic! lol

They STILL haven't told the family??!!??   ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::

So they have to sit and wait, watching like us?  Just when I thought Aruba couldn't sink any lower, they manage to.

At least Tim didn't ask for donations.

Yep, ok, time's up. Natalee is back from the ocean for answers!

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OMG.......WTF?

Scoot over Nut..........

The Public Prosecutor of Aruba announced that persco the jaw can start any time # # Natalee Holloway Aruba # # jawbone
1 minute ago via web

http://twitter.com/johnvandertol

Will do BOO.....

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FOXNEWS Cable  Phil Keaton is reporting live that the "authorities" are "dotting I's and crossing T's before results go out in mass email (WTF)  Aruba teasing it will come any minute.

Why the huge build up?   They know, it is or it isnt...still on boycott to Aruba & the Netherlands for that matter, will be for life.   If it isnt they are attempting to conceal it still, if it is they are hesitating cuz its gonna cuz a crapstorm.   I have no faith whatsoever in this government, could ya tell?  ::MonkeyMad::

Where are Wreck and Kermit?  I need them here.

Friday, November 19, 2010
Natalee Holloway's mother issues statement on jawbone testing

Natalee’s mother released this statement today:

"There is no good answer, whether it is Natalee or whether it isn't. But no answer at all is the most unbearable. We appreciate everyone's loving care and concern and are anxious about the developments."

http://www.foxalabamanews.com/2010/11/natalee-holloways-mother-issues.html


 :smt060

He did! I heard it as well. Really on top of the case, huh?

can we let today be about Natalee...please

If it WERE NOT her, you would think they wouldn't be going to all this trouble.

But with this bunch, who knows?

Yes, Tim said that Dave told him a couple of hours ago that he had not heard anything in advance. 

Aruba Makes me sick and I wish the WHOLE world knew everything the the monkeys did grrrrrrrrrr.  ::MonkeyMad::

I've been missing them too!   ::MonkeyConfused::

Hello everyone....and thanks to all who have kept this thread active all these years.

I hope Klaas is shutting off avatars and other stuff so we don't go on overload.....

Jinkasaurus says any minute.  She is outside the prosecutor's office.

Huge Monkey Hugs all around...........

Jinkasauraus.  They are having connection issues

We stand with Natalee Holloway.  We stand with Beth and with Dave and with Matt.  We stand with all of the Mountain Brook students who were with Natalee on that trip.  We stand with all of Natalee's family, her Step-Sisters, her Aunts, Uncles, and Cousins.  We stand for all of the people whose life Natalee touched, and with those whose life she was meant to touch.

Hear us, Aruba. 

We're only one page on the internet, there are many, many more of us. 

You will not disappear our people while you use our vacation dollars to prop up your criminal economy.

And another thing, why are they being cowards in announcing this via email instead of showing their faces in a live presser?    This is pure BS  ::CowboySmiley::

HLN has a producer insider the Public Ministry office to get a hard copy of the Press Release also.

They're still saying the statement will be released by email.

That's just not professional at all, IMO. ::MonkeyNoNo::

Tim on phone again spoke to Dave 7 min ago still no word to him

I have something else to be thankful for this Thanksgiving! An answer to the mystery in Aruba. A prayer for a family who needs closure. A step toward justice. And a forum of beautiful people who share good energy.

ROB????????????????  WHERE IS ROB???????????????

Tim says he'll be back in Aruba if it is Natalee.

BECAUSe they are cowards

I'm going to have to change the channel.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Omg. I feel so bad for her parents that they haven't been told anything yet.

RTLNieuwsnl BREAKING NEWS: Found jaw is NOT http://tinyurl.com/3yft4fw # Natalee Holloway Natalee Holloway # # # jawbone Aruba

http://twitter.com/RTLNieuwsnl

Nope, not sure I can do it fast enough.  I think we'll be able to handle it.

Dave was not there a week, unless the reports were lies.

I'll be quiet now.  

Either way, there is one word for it CRUEL - totally irresponsible & in my mind purposefully causing this family more pain as if it isnt immeasurable

Good idea! I've been expecting a good boot out any second..:(

Wow.  Really?  Today IS about Natalee.  Not the only one who made a Tim comment on this thread.   Sorry...spoke from my heart.  I'll leave it at that.

Jaw Aruba, Natalee Holloway
The jaw last week on the beach in Aruba was found, is not of the missing Natalee Holloway. As a study of Dutch Forensic Institute (NFI) in The Hague revealed.

The bone, according to persistent rumors of missing Natalee Holloway, but a study by the Dutch Forensic Institute found that the DNA does not match.

http://www.rtl.nl/(/actueel/rtlnieuws/binnenland/)/components/actueel/rtlnieuws/2010/11_november/23/binnenland/Uitkomst_onderzoek_kaak_Aruba_Holloway.xml

OHMYGAWD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How cruel it is to have her family hear the news (good or bad) with the rest of the world....that's just not right

Yeah, it is. If it is her, then the family should be told prior......and if it isn't, they also should be told prior to a freakin mass email. UNEFFINGBELIEVABLE........oh wait...it is believable. It's Aruba.

Remains are NOT Natalee Holloway.  I'm floored.

I'm here  (may be fired for this).  God Bless Natalee, Beth, Dave and Matt.

Holt Sheet. It's not her.

NOT Natalee...

o.k. now WHO IS IT?  

Why all this hubbub? OMG, I'm so mad.

I cannot believe this

::MonkeyCool::

FBI should do their own exam/testing of it....

I wish the FBI was testing....

OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT:     It is not Natalee

OK so then who is it so they claim no one else has ever been missing or murdered....this is discouraging that we will ever find out the truth from this government, over a scum's sociopath son - Im livid! ::MonkeyMad::

"The jawbone found is not the remains of Natalee Holloway"   Explaining the process they went thru to determine.   I want that material sent to the family's attorney for their testing to confirm...yea yea like that would happen, here it would, there forget about it.

OMG is all I can say.  THEN WHO IS IT?  Now they have 2 murdered young females on that island.  NOT GOOD.

They've bought the farm this time. This is such friggin BS.

WTF IS WRONG WITH THOSE SUBHUMANS!! The family should have been TOLD BEFORE THIS!!!! OMG NUKE THEM!

DNA low quality......dental records, etc. excluded it from being Natalee.  (short paraphrase of lengthy report read)

glenda said so last night. she knew before Beth and Dave did, just like I expected.

There are not words I can use to describe what those people are down there, and in Holland.

ARUBA, this does not end here.  Give her back.  WE will never give up

You have got to be f n kidding me!!! Really then who's is it Aruba???

Yeah - What she said!

I sort of kinda asked this before this morning, but so why doesn't TE go BACK to the trap of old?  What is up with that?

Same here. Boy Aruba really played that up.

I call BS

Good question

I hate them all!   ::MonkeyMad::

OMG...I can't believe this. I DON'T believe this.  ::MonkeyMad:: I can't even put my thoughts together to type.  ::MonkeyMad::

I agree, sb.  Disgraceful.

OK so now you scumbags have 2 murders to "solve"...

I am so upset. :(   I really felt like it was Natalee in my heart. :(

OMG Im so with you they are so sick just...wow i dont even believe they did it this way. My prays with Dave and Beth. OMG i really feel sick

I am so sorry.

But as others have stated, I can think of no other situation where the parents would not be given the info in a quiet, compassionate, private meeting.

Again,  I am sorry for the family's pain and needless roller coaster.

Terri

Solicitor General Taco Stein

Jawbone belongs to a young female’
19 Nov, 2010, 13:25 (GMT -04:00)

Stein says that based on the result, the OM will ‘consider’ what will be made known to the media and that any relatives will be informed first. “You can imagine the Holloway-family is having a hard time now.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_81262.php

I'm curious to know Joran's reaction. Like Casey Anthony he was probably ordering donuts in prison and kicking back because he knew it wasn't her.

Tim isn't correct in saying that no one has ever been through the pain of the Holloways. Any parent feels the pain when something happens to their kid.

I believe there is a burial area in Aruba where murdered bodies are dumped. I know Natalee will show up eventually. It's just a matter of time.

Apparently Joran knew.......remember he laughed when he heard the bone being found.....

DIG UP THE SLOOT POOL Surround!!!

I've been away from SM for too long.  Who is Glenda ?

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Happy Thanksgiving from Aruba! ::MonkeyMad::

Glad that you and your companions found the bone.
I wonder how many others wandered past it and didn't notice.
Well done beachcombers!!!

I was thinking the same thing nut! He laughed cause he knows otherwise!!

It's not Natalee?

Just how many missing white girls are there is Aruba? So who the hell is it? Was Joran Van der Sloot busy with another girl?

I would want that jawbone tested by the FBI. Sorry, do not trust the Netherlands.

Claiming they have no idea who's jaw bone it is.

UNREAL.

These people make serial killlers look like choir boys . . . if anyone ever says Arbua and vacation, I think I will do more than smack them.  For the love of all that is good . . .

Well, now we have a baseline, eh?!!!

Would Natalee's family able to get that bone & take it to the US to have a professional from there do some testing on it?

Edit-to correct sp. of name.  MB

It sure was mighty convenient that they made the point to mention that the DNA was degraded. It doesn't really surprise me but I still am ANGRY!!  ::MonkeyMad::

At the request of the Aruban Public Prosecutor's Office the Netherlands Forensic Institute has conducted forensic anthropological and DNA investigations on bone material, a piece of jawbone with a tooth. These investigations were executed simultaneously. Detailed examination by the NFI excludes the possibility that the bone material found in Aruba is that of Natalee Holloway. Exclusion after comparing dental records It was, first, necessary to establish that the bone material was in fact human material. This is the case. Thus the forensic anthropological investigation was expanded to include an investigation by forensic odontologists. Using the dental records of Natalee Holloway, such as the location of wisdom teeth and fillings, a comparison was made with the jaw bone recovered on Aruba. Based on these comparisons it could be excluded that the investigated bone material and molar came from Natalee Holloway. DNA testing Along with the forensic anthropological and odontological research, the NFI initiated a forensic DNA investigation. However, only a very small amount of DNA material was present and that was also of low quality. The bone appeared to have been exposed to various (weather) influences and proved to be porous. DNA researchers at the NFI therefore have applied extensive and highly sophisticated techniques to the DNA present in the bone to be examined. On the basis of the comparison of the dental records the possibility that the bone material came from Natalee Holloway was excluded, therefore further DNA testing has been stopped. There is still a possibility that the molar from the jawbone could be used for further efforts to generate a DNA profile. However this follow-up study of said molar would inhibit future research into identifying the person from whom the bone originates. Given that, based on dental records, it can be ruled out that the bone fragment came from Natalee Holloway, the Office of the Public Prosecutor in Aruba has decided not yet to carry out further research on the material. The prosecution will decide what further action will be taken to identify the bone material. Natalee Holloway Investigation The Office of the Public Prosecutor in Aruba has been involved in an investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway since her dissapearance. The case retains the constant attention from law enforcement

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/24580-resultado-di-test-di-weso.html

I wish the jawbone was one of these idiots on HLN, it's intolerable.

My guess would be that Aruba will say it's part of an ongoing investigation, so they won't release it.

We need a roll call of Urine's past girlfriends. 

Wouldn't it be ironic if this bone was planted... so Joran will talk in his sleep.

Well Red, they'd probably dig through their box of unidentified body parts and send the FBI a substitute....or perhaps that was done before it was sent to Holland.

I am so NOT surprised...Could it possibly belong to that other girl that came up missing from that cruise ship years ago?Just a thought..Hmmmmm,Amy was her name?

Tim Miller may be the best person in the world...

He dropped the ball on the last search, though, nearly three years ago.

Kinda weird hearing him talk about his buddies (Louis Schaeffer, etc) due to the fact that they were present for search of crab trap and allowed it (intentionally or unintentionally) to get whisked away by the Aruban authorities. It was on their watch, right under their collective noses.

I'm so angry right now.  If they knew it was not Natalee just say so.  Don't make a big deal, drum rolls.  Just say it's not Natalee and you are going to attempt to determine who it is.  I DON'T TRUST THEM, NONE OF THEM.

(http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr319/kcjackie/avatars/bullshit_meter.gif)

glenda is Julia Renfro, one of the leading conspirators AFAIAK. She (using the term loosely) is a former WHORE who acts as a misinformation agent in Aruba.

So Joran laughed when he heard about the bone. He KNOWS what was done with her. I still believe they disposed of her a LOT more completely than just dumping her offshore. These people are PROS.

I would have been surprised if it had been her. But I was hoping for Beth's sake. 

Your heart was in the right place.  You did the right thing and no one can take that from you.  It is the jawbone of someone, kkthy. 

Another nail in aruba's coffin.

There are probably thousands of young caucasian females murdered in aruba!

F aruba

Amy Lynn Bradley - but she was lost in Curaco, not Aruba

On the basis of the comparison of the dental records the possibility that the bone material came from Natalee Holloway was excluded, therefore further DNA testing has been stopped. There is still a possibility that the molar from the jawbone could be used for further efforts to generate a DNA profile. However this follow-up study of said molar would inhibit future research into identifying the person from whom the bone originates. Given that, based on dental records, it can be ruled out that the bone fragment came from Natalee Holloway, the Office of the Public Prosecutor in Aruba has decided not yet to carry out further research on the material.

former ::MonkeyHaHa::  once a ho always a ho

I cannot stand JVM, that drama queen gets on my last nerve but yet I watch as many for any news - its not easy

Again, I pose the question...this government insists they have had no other missing or murdered persons so WHO IS IT THEN?   Why are they still protecting that scum & his sociopath son?

Exactly, Red.

We never did believe that nothing had ever gone wrong the twenty some-odd times Joran admitted to doing this before with "the pimps".

So how many are there?

I agree that A$$hole knew it wasn't Natalee. He LAUGHED. This is soooo FRICKIN SICK!!!! If he would just  tell what happened or what HE DID TO  HER. We could bring her home. He has NOTHING to loose now.

They didn't even actually DO any DNA testing.

Excluded based on dental records alone.

I don't THIIIINK so...  ::MonkeyMad::

You certainly did  ::MonkeyAngel::  Not everyone would have done what you did.  My thoughts and prayers with Beth, Dave, and their family and friends  ::MonkeyAngel::

I'm with you Klaas!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Yup!  That is from the official statement.  I will post it again:

Official Press Release

At the request of the Aruban Public Prosecutor's Office the Netherlands Forensic Institute has conducted forensic anthropological and DNA investigations on bone material, a piece of jawbone with a tooth. These investigations were executed simultaneously. Detailed examination by the NFI excludes the possibility that the bone material found in Aruba is that of Natalee Holloway. Exclusion after comparing dental records It was, first, necessary to establish that the bone material was in fact human material. This is the case. Thus the forensic anthropological investigation was expanded to include an investigation by forensic odontologists. Using the dental records of Natalee Holloway, such as the location of wisdom teeth and fillings, a comparison was made with the jaw bone recovered on Aruba. Based on these comparisons it could be excluded that the investigated bone material and molar came from Natalee Holloway. DNA testing Along with the forensic anthropological and odontological research, the NFI initiated a forensic DNA investigation. However, only a very small amount of DNA material was present and that was also of low quality. The bone appeared to have been exposed to various (weather) influences and proved to be porous. DNA researchers at the NFI therefore have applied extensive and highly sophisticated techniques to the DNA present in the bone to be examined. On the basis of the comparison of the dental records the possibility that the bone material came from Natalee Holloway was excluded, therefore further DNA testing has been stopped. There is still a possibility that the molar from the jawbone could be used for further efforts to generate a DNA profile. However this follow-up study of said molar would inhibit future research into identifying the person from whom the bone originates. Given that, based on dental records, it can be ruled out that the bone fragment came from Natalee Holloway, the Office of the Public Prosecutor in Aruba has decided not yet to carry out further research on the material. The prosecution will decide what further action will be taken to identify the bone material. Natalee Holloway Investigation The Office of the Public Prosecutor in Aruba has been involved in an investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway since her dissapearance. The case retains the constant attention from law enforcement

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/24580-resultado-di-test-di-weso.html

 Nice hearing from yah ! Im glad the bird was alive.. ROFLMAO

I will call or text as soon as I hear !!  :)  ::MonkeyKiss::

No one from Prosecutors Office has come out.  They have only sent out the mass mail with the statement

OK, so putting my thinking cap back on.....when the jawbone washed up, Joran's first reaction was to laugh.  That means he knows where she is / what happened to her, and that also means that she was not put into the ocean on that side of the island.  The next step the Aruban authorities should take is to get a warrant, and do a complete excavation of the Van der Sloot yard.  That would never happen though.  So, someone would have to convince Joran's mom to do it out of the goodness of her heart.

I'm just thinking about how adamant Paulus was the first night Beth was on the island, about not letting authorities come onto his property.....

What about ocean currents Klass?It really isnt to far away.If I were Amy's family,I'd want it checked to see...
 73 miles ,117 kilometers, 63 nautical miles

I realized that as soon as I typed it LOL. Can't edit though.

I am headed out... will return tonight and visit with our Night Crew.

"Let Us Continue..."


Edit:  Fixed post within quote.

Exactly! They take every opportunity to twist the knife. Said it before, but I don't trust them any further than I can spit and I'm glad they're in that range.

Sadistic, sick bastards. BOYCOTT THE BONE LITTERED BEACHES OF ARUBA!!!

http://www.visitaruba.com/about-aruba/aruba-news/missing-persons/

Missing Persons

<snipped>

Amy Lynn Bradley *

Reward U.S. $260,000.00

Last Known Location:
Tuesday March 24, 1998 on board the cruise vessel Rhapsody of the Seas while en route from Oranjestad, Aruba to Willemstad, Curacao, Netherlands Antilles. Amy disappeared during the docking process in Curacao. Suspected Location: Unknown.

Amy may have been abducted and is possibly being held in South America or the Caribbean. A reward of over US $250,000 is being offered for Amy's safe return and a reward of US $50,000 for any information that leads to the apprehension and arrest of those responsible for Amy's disappearance.

Name: Amy Lynn Bradley
White Female
Race: Caucasian
Age: 23
Hair: Short Brown
Eyes: Green
Height: 5' 6"
Weight: 115 Pounds
Tattoos on:Left Shoulder, Right Ankle, Navel (Belly Button), Lower Back.
Hot line: +(804) 276 - 2204

F.B.I.: +(804) 777 - 3363

Relatives Main Line: +(804) 276 - 2204

Fax: +(804) 745 - 6133

Primary E-mail
Suspected Location: South America.

Website: Wetip

Website: Tggweb.com

Website: www.amybradley.net


Should you have any information you can email team Amy

back to Aruba News


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

http://www.visitaruba.com/about-aruba/aruba-news/missing-persons/

BS and more BS    Hague smague, this test was NOT done extensively or thoroughly PERIOD - save for further DNA, BS - as if they care if any other person was murdered there, they live in a bubble for the almighty dollar of tourism...not this chick, nope many other islands of paradise to visit
BOYCOTT ARUBA FOR LIFE!

THIS MAKES ME SICK!!!!

I HATE THEM ALL

NO NATALEE  NO ARUBA

I DON'T BELIEVE THIS

 

Holland has a way of doing that to you. They're better at it than Aruba. For a brief time I believed in Hans Mos.

God please help and Bless Dave and Beth. God please smite that island and all who torment Natalee's family.

Ditto! 

I'm beyond sad and disappointed

Thanks Northern Rose.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Joran laughed when told of bones washing up so I conclude that Natalee is not somewhere that she could have washed up from.  Time to dig up that entire island starting with Anita's. 

What is Aruba going to do with this bone from a mystery person?   Does it go in a drawer in the hopes everyone forgets?

Interesting that Taco is not answering questions.

Taco is on tv now...

Taco Stein is about to go live on HLN.

Taco is about to talk

Taco speaking.

He looks pretty happy considering there is a human bone on his happy island that he has no clue who it is from

Taco - Too much mixed material to say if it is male or female it is human

This was all an Aruban publicity stunt. Think about how many times you have seen "Aruba" in the media...and of course the timing is right before the tourist season. To the general public, this "find" and the "attempt to solve the mystery" make Aruba look good. Everyone does not know the real story, so Aruba can play to them. Have you noticed all the recent advertisements to visit that hell hole?  ::MonkeyMad::

Good morning Monkeys, adding my prayers to the many others today, and holding hands with the Monkey on either side of me.

From what he's saying the experts will not even say male or female, only that it's from a young person.

Max DeVries?   ::MonkeyShocked::

OMG, what is there to be laughing about? I would like to smack him up side the head with my iron skillet.

Molar in jawbone was a wisdom tooth and from Natalee's dental records it showed that Natalee's wisdom teeth had been removed.  Thus, they excluded it from being Natalee's.

Taco - the molar that was in the jaw bone was a WISDOM TOOTH and Natalee had her wisdom teeth taken out so we knew right there it was not Natalee.....


WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  So why ask for her dental records?  Why wait this long?  I hope he bursts into flames right now

They are also checking for missing people from Curacao that might be a match.

Even if it had been Natalee's, Stein said it would not have helped the case because no cause of death could be determined. 

They notified the Holloway's lawyer & he notified them - o come on, have they no shame.   Face them like decent human beings, regardless of the results - they cant because they know they have been covering this up all along

Well then,maybe it's Amy....Probably not but worth testing for.JMO

smiling snarky Taco Stein admitted they knew from the wisdom tooth against Natalee's dental records excluded it was hers since THE WEEKEND.

So beyond horrible to do this to her family, to make them wait.

I am gonna PUKE listening to this asshole on fox news.. what a jo peck...

And when were they able to determine that?   ::MonkeyMad::

Taco Stein
 Previous Statements


06/04/2010

Joran Van Der Sloot Sent To Peru To Face Murder Charges

Aruba's attorney general, Taco Stein, told the AP that island authorities had not been keeping track of the movements of van der Sloot, who was lately living mostly in the Netherlands.

He said he didn't know how the young man was supporting himself. "He's an ardent poker player and that means every now and again he wins too," Stein said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/04/joran-van-der-sloot-sent-_n_600691.html


06/08/2010

CNN LARRY KING LIVE - Murder Suspect Van Der Sloot Confesses

KING: Joining us by phone from Aruba is Taco Stein. He's the solicitor general of Aruba.  What, Taco, is your reaction to the arrest of Joran Van Der Sloot in Peru?

TACO STEIN, SOLICITOR GENERAL, ARUBA (via phone): Well, I'm glad for the people there that this happened. It was a terrible tragedy over there. And I think it's a good thing that they got him so fast.

KING: Have Aruban authorities spoken to anyone in Peru about this?

STEIN: Right this morning, my colleague that's still in charge of the Natalee Holloway case here has tried to be in contact with the prosecutor in Peru. She was not available at that time, but we left message and we are expecting a call back from them to share information and see how we can help each other.

KING: Do you want Peruvian authorities to question him about Natalee Holloway?

STEIN: That's -- would be a possibility, but I might imagine that they have enough on their own hands. So we have to see how we can work this out in a way that is profitable for both of us.

KING: Natalee's aunt said she didn't expect Aruba to try to extradite or anything, says he is going to be serving a number of years in Peru. Is that correct?

STEIN: Well, extradition -- there is no treaty between the Dutch kingdom and Peru as far as I'm aware that makes an extradition a possibility. So then it's up to the countries themselves to work a deal out. But I can imagine that Peru will be reluctant to let him go.

KING: Yes.

STEIN: In view of what has happened there.

KING: They've got him nailed, as they say.

STEIN: Yes. Sure. Yes.

KING: What is the status of the case -- the case of Van Der Sloot in Aruba right this minute?

STEIN: OK, well, if you look at it from what has happened recently, for us not much has changed. We are still in a position that we say we have done a very great number of land inquiry which didn't work out, and we still are willing and ready to pick up on new lines of inquiry or new information that needs to be investigated.

But at this moment, they are not yet there. But the new case might bring something about. We've heard about the laptop and that laptop might or might not -- we don't know that yet of course -- information that might be useful for us.

KING: To your knowledge, when was the last time he was in Aruba?

STEIN: He was in Aruba until recently, somewhere in May.

KING: Now this is puzzling. What was Aruba's awareness of, involvement in this May 10th sting operation against Joran in connection with an alleged extortion of money in which he would get money and give you information about Natalee?

STEIN: Well, to begin with, I don't know if this would be a real sting operation, that's one. But that's not up to me to decide. Two, if that was an American investigation done by the American authorities, and we were only involved in the investigation in a support of capacity.

So we helped in the investigation, but it was not our investigation. The crime was an American crime perpetrated on American soil against an American citizen.

KING: So you don't know anything about money exchanging hands?

STEIN: Not more than I've heard, and I know that that was the story behind what was happening was that as far as I get it that Joran Van Der Sloot asked for money to show the place the remains of Natalee were buried.

KING: Without admitting that he harmed her.

STEIN: Of course.

KING: Yes. Have you been keeping track of him?

STEIN: In a part of the help in the investigation was keeping track of him, yes.

KING: As you look back, were there mistakes made by Aruban authorities?

STEIN: You mean in this last part of the investigation?

KING: Yes.

STEIN: I don't think so, because we were just supporting the investigation.

KING: How about the early part?

(CROSSTALK)

STEIN: -- how it worked.

KING: How about the early part?

STEIN: That is very difficult to say for me. I wasn't there when the investigation took place. Only was appointed to Aruba recently about six months ago. And it's a very complex and big file, and I cannot say I know the whole file.

But I know about the early start of the investigation, 2005 until, say, 2009. I was on St. Maarten so I'm not aware of that.

KING: OK.

STEIN: I don't know -- I'm not aware of the details of that.

KING: Thank you, Taco. Taco Stein, solicitor general of Aruba.

http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1006/08/lkl.01.html


06/11/2010

Aruban Authorities on Van der Sloot Comments

Aruban Solicitor General Taco Stein says that they are reaching out to Peruvian authorities to discuss the reported statement and that if Van der Sloot did, in fact, say he will tell investigators where the body is, the Arubans will weigh the information to see if they can act on it.  "We are in the process of reaching out to them," Stein said of Peruvian investigators, "as you can understand they are very busy with their case... it's very hard to get the proper person." 

Stein reports that there is no formal treaty between the Dutch Kingdom, which the island nation of Aruba is a part of, and Peru.  Thus, he says it would be difficult for Aruban investigators to request Van der Sloot be brought to Aruba.  Without speculating on the veracity of the reports regarding Van der Sloot, Stein says if they are true it is more likely that Aruba would send a small team of investigators to Peru.  "We can ask the Peruvian authorities if we can come there and interrogate him on this point and see what we can do on the information he gives," said Stein.  Since it is highly unlikely there is any trace evidence related to the Holloway case in Peru, Stein says only one or two investigators familiar with the Holloway case would be sent and that such a team could be ready to go within a day of being granted permission.

As for the investigation on the island of Aruba, Stein says there have been no new developments in the Holloway case since the murder of 21-year-old Stephany Flores last month in Peru.

Taco - even if this bone would have been Natalee's this would not have brought us a step closer because the material present would not have given us any leads into the cause of her death. So quite frankly it would not have mattered anything more.

(I rewound to get his words)

 HI None !  This is sooo sad and awful..  :(

Joran will never tell,but his actions the laughing he did when he heard the media say the jawbone could have been Natalees does. I pray someone on that island will be diging for a new garden,pool or home will uncover something that leads to Natalee. Anita if you know what happened for the sake of decency and all that is good, do your monster a favor and set his soul free. Something the monster is unable to do himself. Be his mom teach him right from wrong. Its never too late to do the right thing. Do it Anita it will end your misery also.sl

He's toying with this family too, no one smiles like a cat that swallowed the canary without being cold & vengeful...totally disgusting

Heartless Bastards.  Thats really I can think of to say right now. 

Everyone was played, that's why they're laughing.

Tim Miller on.. saying he hasnt talked to Dave since results came out.. cant reach him.

Now I want Les Levine to burst into flames.  What an arse wipe!  The bone has cause a lynch mob mentality against Joran and Aruba...WTF!

Levine - Joran is not the same Joran we met 5 years ago.  What we have uncovered in the last 5 years is there is NO physical evidence linking Joran to Natlee's disappearance.  Aruban Authorities tried to get physical evidence that linked Joran to Natalee's death and they were not able to and that is a fact. We have found nothing to indicate Joran had anything to do with Natalee's disappearance.  HE just left her on the beach and that was a bad thing to do.

Tim on Fox news Via phone..

My heart and prayers are with Natalee Holloway ... Beth, Dave and the family of Natalee.

I cannot even begin to imagine the roller-coaster of emotion that they must all be going through.

God Bless you all.

I'm glad Dave sent a message of his own.

Tim Miller should NEVER be a spokesperson for him.

JMO

Hear, hear!   ::MonkeyAngel::

God Bless whomevers jawbone it is and their family  IF anyone ever finds out.
IMO even if it WAS Natalees.. the azzholes would deny it anyhow..  ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::

Now we know it was a wisdom tooth, even if they can't figure out if it's male or female should rule Max out....not old enough for wisdom teeth.

I am beyond saddened  ::MonkeyNoNo:: i wanted this to be Natalee so bad! I'm so sorry Dave, Beth & all of your families. I will continue to pray that justice will come one day. One day!

Heres another point ill bring out. According to the hague and Taco Stien, they knew it wasnt Natalee because her molars were pulled out long ago and is confirmed by dental records then why all the hoopla. Natalees parents would know if her molars were pulled out after all they have and are aware of her dental records as well as her dentist would be.  So why all the drama from aruba, why include the family in this cruel hoax. Why aruba why???????

Is there a link to see the interview with the couple that found the jaw bone?  TIA

CALL ME CRAZY.......... (it's in my name), BUT I have an opinion about this whole thing.

I believe the bone was Natalee's.

I believe the bone slipped through the crab trap.

I believe they weighed the outcome if they admitted it was Natalee's, and their judgement has been consistently WRONG.

I believe that Renho would not have set herself up to be wrong when she made her prediction, and the fact that she did tells me that the spin machine had been notified. No need for that if you're dealing with truth.

I believe they either have Natalee's remains or they have destroyed them.

I believe they wanted to wait to Thanksgiving to try to bury the story, but pressure was mounting.

I believe they will regret what they've done. We need to all commit ourselves to that cause.

Aruba/Holland are aware that many Americans believe that there was a cover up in the Natalee Holloway case to protect Joran van der Sloot.  To avoid any doubt in regards to the integrity of the testing in regards to the jawbone ... why was the FBI not invited to observe?

Something akin to the contents of the trap ... contents that were afforded unchallenged by John Silvetti to the Aruban divers ... we will never know if the jawbone find was Natalee Holloway case related.

Janet

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Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:  I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.

Kyle Kingman: The FBI told me they could not send a representative down to us in Aruba unless they were specifically invited to do so by the Aruban authorities.  They were simply uninvited.

Kyle Kingman:  The FBI said they needed an invitation. I brought it up to Mos and Richardson and they were talking as if it were a possibility along with a Dutch forensic team. Mos said it would take about 10-14 days to have a Dutch forensic team on site.  Never heard another word about it.

Kermit - Scared Monkeys

My heart and prayers go out to the Holloway, Twitty families.  This
is just so cruel.  I know I feel like I've been kicked in the stomach, I can't
imagine how they are feeling - AGAIN.
This will certainly add more bad publicity for Aruba and remind people
how they continue to botch the case.

I agree.  My heart breaks for them.  I don't even know the family and I feel exhausted from the anticipation and my emotions are all over the place.  I can't even IMAGINE HOW THE HOLLOWAY FAMILY FEELS. :(   

 ::rhino::

I think Renho and the others get their information from Ann Angela.  I may be wrong, but I've thought that for a while now.

JMO

 ::MonkeyNoNo::   I have to step away for a while.  Will be back, later. 

This is why the most important quality in life is credibility. Many other things can be overlooked and made up for, but credibility can never be. When trust is lost, where do you go?

No one trusts Aruba or a forensic test done by people where there has been nothing but a concerted effort from the outset to obstruct justice. Then they put on this cherade of a press conference? I would not smile and laugh to much Aruba ... the joke just might be on you.

kkthy - What Aruba (the prosecutors office) has done now is made most of us HATE ARUBA even more.  They could have simply come out and said it was not Natalee.  Why make such a big deal out of it if it was not Natalee.  They knew this weekend it was not Natalee.  It is just this type of cruel thing Aruba continues to do to the Holloway family.  It is because of people protecting tourism and Joran van der Sloot that now Stephany Flores is dead.  When will it all end?  I say louder than ever BOYCOTT ARUBA - IT IS NOT A SAFE PLACE.

@ work on phone. SOBs. They should all go to hell

Bye, I am going to also.  I have been here all night, sometimes asleep but mostly not.  Between this and what is going on in Korea, my nerves are shot. 

Note to Aruba:  We will be watching you, we will wait as long as it takes.

Boycott Aruba.....FOREVER!!!!!

 ::MonkeyCool::

Taco said there was too much "mixed material" to determine if the bone and wisdom tooth came from a male or female.

So pretty much Aruba needs to find a missing hermaphrodite with wisdom teeth and they can say they have solved at least one missing person case.

                   Arubans perpetrating cruel hoax for this media event.If you knew why why put this grieving family threw this.This will not win you any more publicity for promoting island fun and safety in the sun.ILL BE SCREAMING FROM THE RAFTERS

                                 BOYCOTT ARUBA- YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT.
BOYCOTT ARUBA BOYCOTT ARUBA BOYCOTT ARUBA BOYCOTT ARUBA BOYCOTT ARUBA

well how convenient   ::MonkeyNoNo::

They knew it wasn't Natalee's - by the tooth being a wisdom tooth - something that should have been quite obvious to any scientist. 

Something stinks to high heaven here.  I have a feeling it was Natalee's and it has taken them this long to figure out whether to reveal that or not.

They also revel in the fact that Aruba was tops in news again.  Perhaps they think this will bring in more tourism.  What a bunch of MORONS.

I am praying for Natalee's family - this has got to be gut wrenching - once again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=np0solnL1XY

I hope the NFI realizes that this huge show Aruba just orchestrated makes them look like idiots as well. Jaw bone had a wisdom tooth and the NFI asked for dental records of Natalee so would have known in minutes of receiving the dental records that it was not Natalee.  Wisdom teeth do not grow back , not even if the jaw has been submerged in the ocean and washes up on one happy island. How credible does the NFI look in their competency by Aruba dragging this out for over a week.  They could have made the announcement last week and kept testing the bone or whatever they were going with it.     

thanks janet ::MonkeyKiss::

The dental records that the FBI sent electronically to Holland last Wednesday ... would have immediately revealed that the jawbone find was not Natalee Holloway case related.  Why was the family put through one week of not knowing ... one week of H---?

Janet

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Dental Records

FBI: Aruba studying missing teen's dental records
Posted: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:30 pm
 
Paul Daymond, an FBI spokesman in Birmingham, Alabama, said the agency sent some records electronically Wednesday and shipped the remaining dental impressions. It is unclear when those would arrive.

http://www.bonnercountydailybee.com/news/world/article_0074a3f2-3def-5a9a-a652-c24cc179caa9.html

Thank YOU!!

 :smt060

Today ... I needed that smooch.

Janet

Still the only true lead we all have is Tim Miller saying that Natalee's clothing appeared to be in that crab trap... Joran saying they dumped her in the ocean... Kyle Kingman bringing all the contents of the trap out in a forum.... and Aruba LE taking away the contents with silence afterwards.

I believe that Paulus helped dispose of her in the ocean and he did it in a manner that would prevent any remains from floating up. He was involved in the law so he knew how to go about this to protect his son. 

I at one point thought that Joran might not know the location of Natalee's remains but after hearing about him laughing at this latest development... I'm positive he knows where they are located.

Who was in that trap Aruba? Who's jaw is it Aruba?  Do you not care at all about your economy? 

And Glenda aka Renho think she's so smart... well quit being such a smart a$$ and tell them to return Natalee since you seem to act like you know people behind the scenes.

According to Taco Stein's statement heard this morning on HLN ... factors dictated that gender could not be determined through forensic testing.  However ... according to Nancy Grace's forensic anthropoligist guest ... gender can be determined by observation.

Janet

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Tests may soon tell if bone in Holloway case is human
Nancy Grace
By the CNN Wire

The prosecutor said the bone was initially examined by a forensic expert in Aruba, who determined the bone was from a young woman. But Blanken cautioned the final determination would be made by the forensic institute in the Netherlands.

"I'm happy that it's human. And the initial finding is that it's from a young woman, so maybe we will be able to solve this case. I hope so. But we will wait to see what the findings are," he said.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/11/17/aruba.bone.found/


NANCY GRACE
Natalee`s Mother Confronts Joran in Prison
Aired November 17, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET

NANCY GRACE, HOST: With us right now, Heather Walsh-Haney, forensic anthropologist, Florida Gulf Coast University. She`s joining us from Ft. Myers via Skype. Heather, explain to me again how is it that you can determine that this is not only human but it is a white female young adult?

HEATHER WALSH-HANEY, FORENSIC ANTHROPOLOGIST: Nancy, the way that we do that, first to determine that it`s female, is we`re going to look at the chin area. And as you can see on this example of a lower jawbone that I`m holding here, in females, right on the midline -- which would be here in my own face -- we tend to have a pointier chin. In males, the chin itself tends to be very broad, where you have two little bumps on either side of that midline.

The other thing that these forensic experts are doing is they`re evaluating the age of the jawbone by looking at something like this, the dental development. Here what we can see is that all teeth form first by the crown, then by the roots. We know how to age somebody by the development of those teeth relative to one another.

We can also tell the ancestry or race (INAUDIBLE) or bumps (INAUDIBLE) on those teeth. So it sounds to me, with the ability of these forensic experts to come out and say that they have a female, that it`s a young adult, and that this person is most likely white or of European ancestry, that they have a jaw that they either have the lower jaw or upper jaw and that it is relatively intact.

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1011/17/ng.01.html

kkthy -

I'd like to thank you and your husband and friends for doing the right thing.

There is someone who waits to be identified.  Who deserves to be identified.
Perhaps there is another family longing to know if this is their loved one.

I hope in time we will learn, who that is.

Good and decent people are rare and you are among them.

God bless you and your family and the  Beulieu's (sp)

 ::MonkeyAngel::

and God bless Natalee and her family.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Cap - I think it is because they do not have one professional, decent, non-coward on the whole island to do it. Aruba is where hacks go that could not make it in their old countries. They slowly marinate themselves into insanity with too much alcohol and way too much sun. To make themselves feel better, they spend their days hanging around other hacks, boasting about
their latest trivial accomplishments. Aruba is substandard. I know you know all that. I just like sayin...

Aruba could have found Amelia Earhart, D.B. Cooper or Jimmy Hoffa based on their presser this morning.  Wonder if they are going to spin a wheel or play pin the jaw bone on the missing when they announce who it belongs to?    :smt078   :smt078   :smt078

Here's another one for you Janet  ::MonkeyKiss::

and many more for those that need it.
 ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyKiss::

Thanks Can

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet

She's not in the ocean. Joran's reaction said it all. That must mean that she's still at Joran's house, buried in the yard.
Paulus and Joran took the boat out to dispose of evidence, like shovels, and clothes, and whatever else might have had DNA on it.

Was the concrete slab at the house ever investigated?
Did K2 vacuum sand out of the car within a week of the disappearance? It's quite possible they didn't know she was dead when they dropped her off at Joran's house.
New theory time.

For posters who are newer to this case, you've just witnessed an example of how Aruba and Holland have handled this case from day one.

Welcome to the Natalee Holloway case.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I think Rooba is under the impression that ANY PUBLICITY is good publicity. Which, nothing could be further from the truth. It`s been proven time and time again... there is a melting point.

Oh Beth and Dave - I`m so sorry... but I know you didn`t let your guard down.

I think we've discussed all that you've brought up over the last five and half plus years.  The only theory I have now is Aruba knew, Aruba knows and Aruba sucks.  Boycott Aruba.  JMHO

Exactly. 

What Muffy said:    :smt041 :smt038

I knew what to expect after all these years, but it still makes me so sad. I hate that place.

BOYCOTT AND.......


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/ScrewAruba.jpg)

Just when you think something can't get any sadder (Natalee's case) and any sorrier (Aruba) it comes back around and gets you all over again.   ::MonkeyNoNo::  Bless Natalee and those who love her.  ::MonkeyAngel::  Boycott Aruba Forever!!

I needed that, Klaas!  ::CowboySmiley::

Oh yeah!! 

I hope Dave doesn`t take his call. Find Natalee by Christmas... dude, what the heck are you thinking? Someone should smack a fart out of you for that beaut!!! Better yet, go look in the
mirror today and do it to yourself. You should know better.

Amen!  Amen!! AMEN!!!  AMEN!!!! ::MonkeyWink::

Oh YEAH!!!! ::MonkeyCheer4::

I believe all that you believe, CBB.

But I also believe Joran laughed when he heard of the jaw bone being found - because he knew ALE had recovered her remains from that cage, and therefore thought this couldn't belong to Natalee.

But I agree - that jawbone likely slipped thru the bottom of that cage at some point before Persistence found it.

Absolutely, positively infuriating.  And to watch Stein with his car-salesman smile - just made me want to puke. Inappropriate, so inappropriate.

Seeing as how that took weeks to identify a wisdom tooth, and they already had Beth's DNA from long ago (which would/should have been kept in an open file), it makes me wonder:  Did they know this was Natalee upon receipt but they could not admit it for fear of showing how incompetent their baby island and the Hague are, and so they had to wait for another young Caucasian jawbone to arrive or to be found, so that if Beth requested this for AFIP, they would have another ready for shipment to AFIP if requested by Beth's family members.

Natalee's wisdom teeth had been extracted when they saw her dental records they knew  on Friday it was not her. So why this BS I HATE ARUBA YOU SUCK

Can,
Thank you so much.  The news was quite a let down today.  If we are asked for a 2nd interview, I will be sure to express those same thoughts that this "person" needs to be identified.  I know that saying this sounds a bit strange, but I really feel that this jaw bone wanted to be found... like something was drawing Gil toward it.   They really need to find out who it belongs to.

Your so awesome!! Thank you for treating the remains of whoever is lost out there with so much respect and thank you for coming here to share all you knew. There are many of us here that hope and pray everyday that Natalee is returned home.  Although this wasn't her, maybe someones loved one can be returned to them because of you all. 

 ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::rhino:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyTongue::

BIG TIME!!

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Maybe it's
 Amy Lynn Bradley
White Female
Race: Caucasian
Age: 23
Hair: Short Brown
Eyes: Green
Height: 5' 6"
Weight: 115 Pounds
Tattoos on:Left Shoulder, Right Ankle, Navel (Belly Button), Lower Back.
Hot line: +(804) 276 - 2204

We "felt sure" that Dave and Beth had been notified. But this is Holland and Aruba.

We "felt sure" that since there was a big hoopla, it was Natalee. But this is Aruba and Holland.

We "felt sure" that as soon as an ID could be made, if it weren't Natalee, they would simply announce that she had been excluded but an investigation would continue to determine identity. But this is Holland and Aruba.

That's the way of it. People of good character, despite a multitude of contrary evidence, instinctively expect others to have similar ethics.

We aren't dealing with "normal". We are dealing with sick, sadistic bastards. They exist. They particularly exist in high places in Aruba and Holland. I HATE THEM ALL!

One Down and his spawn on the way. TICK TOCK.....

I'm going shopping to buy food for Thanksgiving. I'm thankful I get hopeful, and I'm thankful I can be counted among you all. This isn't over; not by a long shot. Aruba's bone littered beaches need to be bare! I'm starting with a CME cruise this Spring for Physicians that makes a stop in Aruba. Not if I can help it, and I think I can...............     ::MonkeyMad::

 ::MonkeyCool::

Yes, right on target, Tyler! Exactly!   ::MonkeyKiss::

I feel bad for the Holloway family.  All I can say is that they must be a VERY VERY STRONG FAMILY to go though that they have gone through for so many years.  My prayers are with them right now.  I now understand their hesitation to get too excited of this recent find.

When will we ever learn, huh? Although I would rather be an eternal optimist and hope for the best than an evil rat bastard obstructionist hiding the truth and preventing the facts to come forward of a missing girl.

Law enforcement that was willing to accept the lie that two black security guards were guilty because the last three people ever seen with Natalee said so. Even though they never thought to check the security cameras.

A place where after holes were dug in the landfill to search for Natalee, they were mysteriously covered up over night.

The continued lack of pursuing JVDS because his statements cannot be held against him because he lies all the time.

How do you people in Aruba feel, knowing that because you did nothing, even worse, there was an obstruction of justice that Joran sits in a prison guilty of yet another murder? Hmm?

Question...can we request the jawbone and test it ourselves?   Or because it was found in Aruba, it has to stay in Aruba?  I do not trust Aruba either......

Justice for Natalee Holloway never stood a chance.

Janet

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'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Dec. 5th
updated 12/6/2005 9:18:21 AM ET

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY:  Within 72 hours, we knew that their first story was totally fabricated, that within the first 72 hours, I faced a room of 12 -- at least 12 detectives, Aruban and Dutch detectives, and a lead detective, Dennis Jacobs (ph), and they knew after we reviewed video footage from the Holiday Inn casino lobby that my daughter had never been brought back to the Holiday Inn.  They knew that those suspects were fabricating a story from day one. ….

What was so unbelievable about this, is they knew this information and still chose to pursue the two security guards on June the 5th.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10348437/

I don't know, but note that the media is saying the tooth will be removed. We wouldn't get the actual bone found, IMO. I believe it was Natalee's. JMO.

Thanks for that post Red. Well said and I needed that.

OT:
IBE has asked about her avi several times. It's in my thread, if someone could relay that to her if she shows up before I get back, I'd appreciate it. I'm off to the grocery store and will see you all a little later.   ::MonkeyKiss::

Just like all the other evidence collected and sent to be examined -- we don't know if they really sent the ACTUAL real samples. The chain of control is just a complete joke.  ::MonkeyNoNo::   ::MonkeyMad::

 I thought we would be breaking out the cigars Wreck..   :(

I just don't even know what to say. We really should not be surprised. It all went according to the script they've played by for 5.5 years! I don't know what to think right now. But I do know that I feel desperate. Yes, desperate because time is not kind to any remains wherever they may be. This may be our last window of opportunity to get her home. Yes, answers can still come as long as Joran is breathing but we want to get her home. I went to bed thinking about how Natalee put that bone there to be found so that her family could have closure. I slept with the tv on all night thinking somthing may happen in the middle of the night. And damn it if it wasn't all a cruel hoax.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I agree.

Me too!  ::MonkeyMad::

Klaas, Angie911, Monkeys "let's roll!" (those words are in honor of you, Angeie911)

Time to keep the pressure screw on Aruba, NL., Joran, Joran's family, the FBI, our terrorism laws that apply here, our government and any one, anyway to think outside the box.

Think protesting the travel shows will help again?

IMO  no body, no crime. Body gone for sure=cremation by Paulus. I always thought she'd be under the fountain next to the pool but, no go, someday could be found. Why did Anita know about NH panties in such detail? For goodness sake, Anita, try to save your child's Soul, yours and your family's.

Let's not let the Justice for Stephany go out of our mines; more than one way to skin the terrible cat=Joran

Has any of the online publications/networks post a transcript of  a transcript of Aruba Solicitor General Taco Stein's statement to the media this morning this morning?

Thanks

Janet

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Results of Bone Analysis on Possible Holloway Link to Be Announced Tuesday
Published November 22, 2010

The results of the forensic analysis on a jawbone found this month in Aruba will be announced on Tuesday, potentially providing the first piece of concrete evidence in the death of missing American teenager Natalee Holloway.

Ann Angela, a spokeswoman for the Aruba Prosecutor's Office, told Fox News she did not have results of the analysis early Monday. Aruba Solicitor General Taco Stein will make a statement following the announcement, she said.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/11/22/results-bone-analysis-possible-holloway-link-announced-tuesday/

Hi IBE..  :)  and Thank you !  ::MonkeyKiss:: Nice to see you honey !

It seems to me that the mentality is that murder is acceptable, clean up...cover up....and blame everybody else!  The justice system is a joke, and everyone on that island knows it!

"minds" not "mines" although I'd like to throw some down into mines

CBB, thank you, my imp avatar is cute and warm. Thanks. ::MonkeySkate::

Right on!

Didn't finish...so I'll add,

I don't think any of the ones that helped Joran get away with murder in Aruba, have the common decency (that we assume comes naturally) to even feel one pang of guilt over Stephany's murder.  It's just not in them.  That's why they continue covering for that monster to this day!

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

The piece contained a wisdom tooth, and Holloway's had been removed before her 2005 disappearance, Aruba Solicitor-General Taco Stein told reporters.

"Right there and then, it was obvious it wasn't Natalee," Stein said. Investigators are now trying to determine whether the bone came from any other people reported missing, he said.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/11/23/aruba.bone.found/index.html?hpt=T2

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That required calling in NFI? That took a week?

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

I got the OK to begin our ROV dive series for the 29th, so I made it our first dive. We got visual of the fish trap and that it was suspicious. Basically, the fish trap door was open  and there appeared to be a skull and torso-shape in sand on the door inside the trap. ....

Kermit
 

Natalee Holloway: Jawbone Not That of Missing American Teen
Jawbone With One Tooth Attached Found Two Weeks Ago on Aruban Beach

A jawbone found on an Aruban beach does not belong to the missing American teenager Natalee Holloway, authorities announced today.

The determination was made using Holloway's dental records, according to a statement issued late this morning by the Aruba Public Prosecutor's Office.

Aruban Solicitor General Taco Stein said shortly after the announcement that they could determine quickly that the bone wasn't Holloway's -- the jawbone found on the beach had a wisdom tooth still attached and Holloway's dental records showed the teen had had her wisdom teeth removed.

Aruban authorities, Stein said, are checking with neighboring islands to see if the bone could be a match for any other missing persons.

A match was considered a long shot. In the five years since Holloway disappeared while on a school trip, there has been no physical evidence to confirm that she had been killed.

The Aruban prosecutors office said a Dutch forensics team could extract only a small amount of DNA evidence from the one tooth that was still attached to the mandible. It was, they said, "of low quality."

"The bone appeared to have been exposed to various (weather) influences and proved to be porous," the statement read.

For the time being, the forensics team has stopped working to test the DNA.

"There is still a possibility that the molar from the jawbone could be used for further efforts to generate a DNA profile," the statement read. "However, this follow-up study of said molar would inhibit future research into identifying the person from whom the bone originates."

It is believed a recent hurricane may have stirred up the beach, leading tourists to find the bone outside a hotel.

MORE...

http://abcnews.go.com/International/natalee-holloway-jaw-bone-missing-american-teen/story?id=12222677

Ruppa on HLN said that Beth has released a statement and was told to wait for the media release along with everyone else for the results that she would not be told in advance. 

Compassion must not be in that crazy Pap language.

Just a thought about Aruba having their hotels filled with Industry TV/Films crews over Thanksgiving holiday... high % that it won't happen. Why?
If working it's a double time union holiday. If not working but under contract you get paid regular time for Thurs. and Fri. but would have to stay at the hotels with your own money. If not under contract, you'd be missing work here and probably couldn't chance that.

Aruba shoots self in foot again! ::MonkeyGavel::

Phil Keeting just read Beth's statement; she is dissappointed in the way they did not tell her ahead of time. She found out like we did. Shep Smith and Phil both said they could have told us last week!

Birds of a feather flock together... never more true than in the case of those who are in power on Aruba, and most probably, now in Holland.  The whole lot of them are sadistic and inhumane.  Amazing so, so many of them exactly alike.

I do not believe a word they say. 

I believe that it is the mentality of their culture of people, to not have a conscience.  I will never go to Aruba, I will never support Aruba and I will continue to tell people that I meet that are going there, what a mistake they are making.

I am angry that it seems their testing stops at ruling Natalee out,  If that were here in USA,  they'd be still working to find out who it was and where are the rest of the remains?

Beth Holloway releases statement

Birmingham, AL (WIAT)- In light of the revelation that the jawbone found does not belong to her daughter, the mother of Natalee Holloway releases the following statement.

"Beth accepts the forensic conclusions, is emotionally exhausted from the inexplicably long wait, and deeply disappointed in the time and manner in which she learned of the results. Apparently Aruban prosecutors were more sensitive to media concerns than the painful vigil of a mother."

John Q. Kelly, Attorney for Beth Holloway

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Beth-Holloway-releases-statement/ycgpabf4TEyB5HpVZoCQDA.cspx

Apparently, they can`t even identify WISDOM TEETH on that tish ball of an island.

I know they are dim people... but this really takes it to a whole new level.

another reason: Thanksgiving at home in the good ole USA

BOYCOTT ARUBA AND....


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I am so angry I still can't think straight.  Who would even want to go to that god forsaken island?  It's hot, not plush or green and now overridden with snakes and dengue carrying mosquitoes.  They are so preoccupied with protecting the tourism dollars there is no justice when a crime occurs. 

Ruppa did a nice recap:

fish bones
donkey bones
monkey bones
duct tape with hair
jaw bones

all this since Natalee went missing but Aruba still has not answered WHERE IS NATALEE?

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_81379.php

Google translation:

Found jaw not Natalee Hollway

November 23, 2010, 1:24 p.m. (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - The piece of jawbone that two weeks back at the Divi Phoenix Beach Hotel is located, is the 2005 missing American teenager Natalee Holloway. This is the finding of the Dutch Forensic Institute (NFI). The Public Prosecutor (OM) is known through a press release this afternoon.

The NFI conducted at the request of the Aruban OM forensic anthropological research in the jaw with a piece of tooth. DNA was simultaneously investigated. This shows that it goes to a human jaw. Whether it also to the jaw of a woman or a man is, remains unclear. Advocate General (AG) Taco Stein says that it is very difficult to determine sex without further evidence being affected. It is also due to the mixed composition of the 'Caribbean' population is difficult to say that the bone of a woman or man, said Stein.

Missing persons
Each case is now the Aruban list of missing persons checked to see there is a link to the bone. Or there may be a relationship with the missing Vincenzo Tromp 2008, is still nothing to say, says Stein. Justice does not have more material after the day after the jaw has been found on the stretch of beach multitrack explored, let the AG know. The other bone in which the American press reported yesterday that it had been found nearby, has proved to be human, says Stein.
  After it was found to be a human, the forensic anthropological research with extensive research by forensic dentists (odontologen). Using dental records (including the location of wisdom teeth and fillings) of Natalee Holloway provided by her family made available, a comparison is made with the jaw found. Based on these comparisons could not be excluded that the observed bone material and choose from Holloway.

When NFI at this conclusion, the DNA testing stopped. NFI DNA researchers have had very sophisticated techniques to the DNA present in the bone to investigate, since the very small DNA samples of low quality. The bone had in fact suffered serious kinds (weather) influences and proved porous. The OM 'belongs to the possibilities to choose from the jawbone to be used for further attempts to get a DNA profile. " Such research 'difficult' but future research into the identification of the person from whom the bone it would come. "As all based on dental records if it can be ruled out that the bone fragment of Natalee Holloway", the OM in Aruba decided to further research not yet carried out.

Yesterday gave the Dutch crime reporter Peter R. De Vries in the media know that Beth Twitty, Natalee's mother, has not been called by the authorities. If the bone was indeed Holloway, it was for the FBI's mother Holloway De Vries already informed.

U.S. press
It impeded the American press is not about to go full in advance of the possibility that the jaw actually Natalee would be. CNN quickly sent a team that posted at the Public Ministry. In the American television program Nancy Grace last night was breaking news out that if even half bone on the beach at Divi Phoenix would be found. Almost the entire program was dedicated to this discovery.

During the broadcast were experts in DNA testing and the word was a short interview with the tourists who have found the second bone. It is an American mother and her minor son. They told us that she bone to the hotel reception had disclosed that the hotel staff to their surprise, the police would not call because they do not want negative publicity for the hotel. During the entire program was a highlight bar with the message that 'officials within hours of a declaration would come. " That statement had not yet Grace this morning on its website. Reports that it found a piece of bone spare ribs were far could not be confirmed. In any case, the PPS reports yesterday that the bone was collected by the police and now that it is not human.

I'm glad JQK voiced and echoed the sentiments we have been posting.  It's disgusting that they did not inform the family first and took so long to orchestrate another stab in Beth's heart. 

 ::MonkeyMad::

Thank you.
Yes kkthy, It was such a let down. 
Your feelings don't sound strange at all.
 ::MonkeyAngel::

 

O/T what does (+one hidden) mean in the members and guests lists? Is that you Kermit?

Thank you Northern Rose.

Janet

Unbelievable, just totally unbelievable  ::MonkeyMad:: For the life of me, I will never understand someone / s who does not have a conscience.  Isn't it the right thing to do to care about someone else's feelings?  I guess I just do not understand how people can be so cruel. 

My heart goes out to Natalee's family and friends, especially her mother and father.  Will they never be able to enjoy another holiday?  I am a firm believer in karma.  I do wish that each and everyone of those evil people who are involved in her disappearance/or worse live with nightmares for the rest of their worldly lives and live an eternity in He**.  Please Lord, let this family have justice soon.

There is a tech person that remains hidden.  No big deal.

Plus they speak a language that few people in the world can  understand. How do the tourists know what they are planning behind their backs. I HATE THEM ALL

tech person monkey

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Hello Monkeys, I never post here but I do read, I also listen to every news story or interview about Natalee, always have, But today I feel obligated to at least say that I agree with what most are saying her. Aruba always has and always will have a beef with the Holloways and thats not right. God Bless that family and may justice prevail one day for this beautiful girl and her family!!!!

Jinkasaurus spoke to Taco after his announcement.  Here is what was said

Jinka: Any comment at all to the parents of of Natalee Holloway or to the United States in regard to this open investigation that you have?

Taco: well.. as I said before...it's very sad for the parents that this doesn't give them the closure we  hope it would bring them. But.... Ahhhhh.... they must rest assured that we do our utmost to resolve the case and we work as much as we can together with other authorities  in the United States and Holland to bring this case to a solution.  But whether or not that will be in the near future I can not tell you.

Jinkasaurus said Taco spoke to her about Urine's computer.  Taco told Jinka that the FBI has the contents of the hard drive and Aruba has not seen them.  Jinka was surprised that the FBI has been working with Peru as she had not heard that before.

The good things I can see -

Nobody forgets about Natalee. The story is like a snowball, it only gets larger with time.

People still care after 5+ years. More than ever, actually.

The island continues to dig a deeper hole - event after event - scam after scam.

They will end up like Joran... probably stabbed in the neck. Who will care when this happens?

NOBODY.

God bless the Holloways! I am thankful that they conduct themselves the way they do. ::HelloKitty::

Dental records were electronically emailed by the FBI to the NFI last Wednesday.  According to Taco Stein ... it was "quickly" determined that the jawbone find was not Natalee Holloway case related.  Why was the family not "quickly" notified?  Why was the family forced to again ride that emotional roller coaster of not knowing for almost a week.

Despicable!!!

Janet

++++++++

FBI: Aruba studying missing teen's dental records
Posted: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:30 pm
 
Paul Daymond, an FBI spokesman in Birmingham, Alabama, said the agency sent some records electronically Wednesday and shipped the remaining dental impressions. It is unclear when those would arrive.

http://www.bonnercountydailybee.com/news/world/article_0074a3f2-3def-5a9a-a652-c24cc179caa9.html


Friday, November 19, 2010
Natalee Holloway's mother issues statement on jawbone testing

Natalee’s mother released this statement today:

"There is no good answer, whether it is Natalee or whether it isn't. But no answer at all is the most unbearable. We appreciate everyone's loving care and concern and are anxious about the developments."

http://www.foxalabamanews.com/2010/11/natalee-holloways-mother-issues.html

My dear God.  Every time I think Aruba cannot be any more depraved, they prove me wrong.

Beth you are a pillar of strength, and have endured far more than any human being should ever have to.  These monsters will get theirs - every single one of them.  Perhaps not today, or next year - but fate has a way of making things right.

It infuriates me that Taco is all smiley ear to ear while he is lying speaking about Natalee.  I still hope he spontaneously bursts into flames as well as many others.

 ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee Holloway's mother says she's disappointed by slowness of Aruba results

Lashing out again at Aruban investigators, Natalee Holloway's mother said today that she's upset about how long it took them to figure out a jawbone found on the island isn't her daughter's remains.

Beth Holloway is "deeply disappointed in the time and manner in which she learned of the results," her attorney, John Q. Kelly, said in a statement today. "Apparently Aruban prosecutors were more sensitive to media concerns than the painful vigil of a mother."

Although Aruban prosecutors announced Monday that they'd make an announcement about the investigation, Holloway hadn't been contacted as of this morning, her spokeswoman said.

Kelly's comments came just hours after the prosecutor's office publicly announced that the bone, which was tested by Dutch forensics experts, does not belong to the missing Mountain Brook teen.

That determination was made by comparing the bone to Holloway's dental records.

The lab in the Netherlands also started testing for DNA extracted from a molar, but found that there was only a small amount of genetic material present and it was low quality, partly because the bone is very weathered. But once the dental records were shown not to match, the DNA testing stopped.

It could be used in the future to determine who the remains belong to, but that would require having genetic material from a missing person to compare it to, the prosecutor's office said.

The news was just another in a line of disappointments for Holloway's family, who has been waiting for news of a break in the case since she disappeared in May of 2005 at the age of 18.

She was last seen leaving a bar with Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, the prime suspect in her disappearance, on the final night of her trip.

Aruba prosecutors have repeatedly said they lack evidence to charge Van der Sloot, who is currently in jail in Peru accused of killing a 21-year-old woman on May 30 -- five years to the day after Holloway's disappearance.


http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/11/natalee_holloways_mother_says.html

I am back----------------Aruba, guess what?  We are STILL here.  You have really stirred us up this time.  You think you are so damn smart with what you did to Beth.  You stepped in it this time.  You crossed the line. That line has been drawn in you rotten sand. 

I stand with Natalee and Beth for ever how long it takes. 

BOYCOTT ARUBA.  BOYCOTT ARUBA.  PASS IT ALONG.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

I wish one of the reporter's would ask if the bone was seen by a forensic anthropologist to determine how long the bone might have been in water.
(Of course, we know that hasn't happened!)
If it''s an extremely old bone, wouldn't that narrow down the missing persons to check it against?

That's good news.  [ Thank goodness for Peru. ]

Surely there must be protocols dictating family is notified first. 

Aruba's lack of compassion towards Natalee's parents show utter disdain.

I have no words.   ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::

Look at Jackass I mean Jinkasaurus with the smile on his face.(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Jaw%20Bone%20found/Jinkasaurus.jpg)

Ditto

I hate Aruba

Tourists should avoid Aruba like the plague.  Nothing has changed ... it's one scary place.

I'm beyond outraged.
Going to FB so I can curse my head off.

I am so outraged for Natalee's family and needed to do something. I emailed my entire contact list with a copy of Beth's statement, the smiling picture of Taco Stein and his statement with a warning about vacationing in Aruba. I asked everyone to forward it to all their contacts. If I can prevent one person from vacationing in that heII hole it will be worth it. Please consider doing the same. Thank you.

I was here about 1/2 an hour ago, had something typed out, computer went all loopy so I had to shut down & run a scan. I clicked on something while googling last night...at least now I know why my google translate wouldn't go through. All fixed.


I have a question for anyone that may know. My mind cannot get rid of the thought Joran laughed when the news of the mandible hit the media. Why laugh? Why? Does he know that there's no way for the jaw bone to wash ashore or something? It's made me think of something. Going back to the fisherman's hut break-in, and keeping in mind the fisherman's knife that was stolen:
1- Would a body burn faster if it were dismembered?
2- Were there any bonfires and/or regular fire that night?
3- Is there a place where the fisherman dump the fish waste?
4- If there is an "industrial sized" fish waste site, could Natalee have been dismembered and her blood/organs mixed with the fish waste?
5- Could her remains have been incinerated either by bonfire or another method then thrown into the sand or ocean? If so, wouldn't something stronger than a simple fire have to be used?
6- I do believe Natalee was thrown out to sea, but in the case that she may not have been, where could her body have been stored (if it wasn't dismembered right away) and not have left any trace evidence behind?

I believe Lorenzo is involved & have thought so since the beginning, I believe the Kalpoe's are just as much involved as Joran, I believe Paulus knew what happened & helped to dispose of Natalee in covering up the crime scene, I believe Anita is a wench that has never held her kids accountable and this is the outcome of her child rearing abilities, I believe the Aruban authorities are well aware of what Lorenzo did/does & are probably in on it - maybe even getting kickbacks so to speak, I believe Joran was a big part of making Lorenzo wealthy - as well as Paulus, I believe Aruban officials knew for YEARS what their island was beling used for and didn't do a damn thing about it (ie: sex trafficking, drug drop offs & pick ups, money laundering, etc), I believe Joran isn't afraid of a single thing and that is something that has been learned over the years therefore he hasn't a conscience, I believe alot of things in regards to Natalee's disappearance but one thing I know[/] for certain is that I'll never visit Aruba again.

I say TORTURE the B@STARD until he gives us what we want.

He does look like a used car salesman! Geez, would it kill you to put on a blazer for 15 minutes and at least act like a professional? Aruba is where the inept go... because they cannot
find jobs anywhere else.

I am heartbroken as well that Natalee's family will not have closure. Here is another young woman missing and I wonder if Amy's family has DNA on file that they could compare to this jaw bone.  (Amy is also listed as missing on the Aruba webpage.)

Amy Lynn Bradley *

Reward U.S. $260,000.00

Last Known Location:
Tuesday March 24, 1998 on board the cruise vessel Rhapsody of the Seas while en route from Oranjestad, Aruba to Willemstad, Curacao, Netherlands Antilles. Amy disappeared during the docking process in Curacao. Suspected Location: Unknown.

Amy may have been abducted and is possibly being held in South America or the Caribbean. A reward of over US $250,000 is being offered for Amy's safe return and a reward of US $50,000 for any information that leads to the apprehension and arrest of those responsible for Amy's disappearance.

Name: Amy Lynn Bradley
White Female
Race: Caucasian
Age: 23
Hair: Short Brown
Eyes: Green
Height: 5' 6"
Weight: 115 Pounds
Tattoos on:Left Shoulder, Right Ankle, Navel (Belly Button), Lower Back.

I Ask God to Help Me

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 219:  I have to make difficult choices every day.  I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me.  It's not easy.  I ask God to help me

a blazer on!!!  really

Come on this is the Caribbean nobody is going to do that while giving an interview on the street in that heat.

Anyway too bad they couldn't identify the jawbone, could have given the family some peace over the holidays.

BTW is there a link to that interview?

yes... and maybe he could have really even stepped it up and done it indoors where they could do it in air conditioning and with a podium or a desk or sitting across from each other... you know, really get crazy with it. It`s just a global news event, nothing big. Don`t strain yourself Taco Stein.

I suppose I am smarter than Jinka, because the FBI had a case against Urine of the Ditch from the extortion case in Birmingham.  I guess Jinka is not as smart as Jinka thinks.  Stupid media people. 

4 Donks - you have a good heart. ::HelloKitty::

I am sure there must be a better complete transcript or complete video/audio of the today's Taco Stein interview out there but ... the following is the best I could come up with.

Janet

++++

CNN Newsroom
CNN
Aired on Tuesday, Nov 23, 2010

00:27:41   >>> Let's take you to aruba now.

<snipped>

00:33:47   The critical point here is that the jawbone is first of all human and is not that of natalee holloway.

http://www.livedash.com/transcript/cnn_newsroom/49/CNN/Tuesday_November_23_2010/519028/

HA!!!  Carpe, that would require just a touch of civility and humanity - neither of which anyone on Aruba seems to be familiar with.

I suppose I need to expand on this.  It is a fact that our FBI has better technology and systems in place to deal with forensic's than a third-world country and it would only stand to reason that Peru, since these occurrences are in tandem, has called on the FBI to assist and participate and walk through this in concert with sharing of evidence.

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

So they tried to do some DNA testing from the weathered bone but not the molar?  Digital films can be used to match even if they have to remove the tooth and destroy it. Why wouldn't they try to extract the DNA and then have others submit records for comparison? 

I want to see the actual NFI report.