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Title: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 - 12/30/10
Post by: Nut44x4 on November 23, 2010, 04:02:59 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

and Stephany!
 
::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854
Post by: texasmom on November 26, 2010, 12:58:14 PM
 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 26, 2010, 12:59:22 PM
MAY THIS THREAD SEE NATALEE HOME!!

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Case/Natalee-Home.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 26, 2010, 01:00:10 PM
Thanks, guys, for the help!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854
Post by: Nana29 on November 26, 2010, 01:07:17 PM
Thanks, guys, for the help!  ::MonkeyWink::


 ::MonkeyKiss::  Even though I am not a guy...hehehe


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 8/26/2010
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 26, 2010, 01:08:54 PM
I thought about Beth yesterday and know how hard Holidays are.  I hope that this most recent Roller Coaster ride Aruba has put her through didn't make it worse. God Bless Natalee's Family!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 8/26/2010
Post by: klaasend on November 26, 2010, 01:12:43 PM
I forgot about the thread almost ready to switch and ran to the store.  Thanks for getting the thread change CBB!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 8/26/2010
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 26, 2010, 01:13:07 PM
Her New Life's Work

Talking To Beth Holloway Five Years After Natalee's Disappearance
05/30/10 1:45 pm   |   reporter: Ebony Hall   posted by: Ebony Hall


Mountain Brook, AL - It was a story that made headlines across the globe. The search for missing Mountain Brook teenager Natalee Holloway. The story that dominated the airwaves- also took over Beth Holloway's life. She is Natalee's mother, and five years later, she is still looking for answers and hoping Aruban prosecutors can close this case.
 
"I'm not sure if there is anything new, but they are processing all the leads and the tips that they have received."
 
Natalee is now presumed dead, but no one knows how she died or why.
 
"We've really tried to be so careful and not to speculate as to what happened an just stick with the known facts."
 
We do know that Natalee was last seen alive with Dutch teen Joran van der Sloot at Carlos n' Charlie's. Over the years, van der Sloot has told many stories of what happened that night. All the while Beth listened to each of these tales hoping to find a thread of truth.
 
"I think there was one where he said he sold her alive.I think there was another where he said she fell of a balcony in a swamp. I think now it's become so muddy for me that no my journey for justice is not ended."
 
It's been five years since Natalee disappeared. Legally, her family could now file for a death certificate in Alabama, but they have not thus far since Natalee disappeared abroad.
 
"We know that Natalee is no longer alive. I know we had talked about that earlier, few years ago,but it is not something that we have done yet."
 
Over the years, Beth and her family have learned how to deal with the pain of losing Natalee, but it is still an open wound. In March, a Pennsylvania couple thought they may have taken a picture of a body- maybe Natalee's body- on the ocean floor. News like that- always makes the family hopeful.
 
"You know I got caught up for a just- you get taken in. But as I said, there is a quicker recovery time where I am able to compartmentalize it and focus on what I can do..."

She is now focused on her new life's work which was born out of the death of her daughter.
 
"Tragedy creates an opportunity to make a difference."

Making A Difference
 
Beth Holloway thought she knew exactly who she was more than five years ago.
 
"My life was defined with two children, a marriage, job and home. When a tragedy strikes, you lose everything."

During the Memorial Day weekend of 2005, Beth's life changed forever. With Natalee missing, she was now the mother of one- not two. She would later divorce her then husband Jug Twitty. So she was no longer a wife. Her life "definition" changed- and with it so did her life's purpose.
 
"I received the call that all mothers and fathers dread from the moment their children is born- that my daughter was missing."

So now her mission is to help others. Beth tells the story of Natalee's disappearance to high school and college students round the nation as part of her work with the Natalee Holloway Resource Center,which launches in D.C. on June 8.
 
"The Natalee Holloway Resource Center is focusing on education and crime prevention, and in the event that a loved one goes missing we have the resources and the contacts to assist the families."
 
Beth says she had no idea who to contact in Aruba when Natalee went missing. She also knew nothing about the Dutch system of Justice or who was in charge. Out of her frustration a new global security and assistance company was born. It's called Mayday 360.
 
"When I present to these high school and college students, I could give them the personal safety and travel safety message, but I really felt like I couldn't equip them with a real tangible resource. And I feel with Mayday 360, I can because that is real time, real security assistance, 24 hours a day, seven days a week."
 
She says her definition of herself continues to evolve, but everything she does now can be traced back five years to Aruba- the place where paradise met tragedy. The place that gave birth to her new life's work and hope that..
 
"No one will ever experience what I did heading home from a family vacation on Memorial Day."

http://www.abc3340.com/news/stories/0510/741129.html

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Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC

Mayday 360
http://www.mayday360.com/default.aspx



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 8/26/2010
Post by: texasmom on November 26, 2010, 01:20:29 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_81511.php

Google translation:

ARUBA
Man drowned at Baby Beach
November 26, 2010, 24:38 (GMT -04:00)

SAN NICOLAS - In the water at Baby Beach man drowned yesterday. Around two hours in the afternoon, a patrol of the office in San Nicolas sent to that beach. As officers found the lifeless body of a man whose identity was later established as an American tourist Michael Hinton (72).
Around four hours of death was confirmed by Dr Hinton Kiewiet. Tourists staying with relatives at the Divi Village and probably a heart attack when he got into the waters of Baby Beach was swimming. Victim Support Agency was called to the family of Hinton to absorb and assist. This year it happened before that a person at Baby Beach at age died. In October and even earlier this year in June there were two people to death. Also recently, a man drowned at Casa Del Mar.
The government has plans to post warning signs and lifeguards to hire. These plans are contained in the plan is to implement a Marine Park. When this plan is actually implemented, is not yet known.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 8/26/2010
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 26, 2010, 01:26:31 PM
I thought about Beth yesterday and know how hard Holidays are.  I hope that this most recent Roller Coaster ride Aruba has put her through didn't make it worse. God Bless Natalee's Family!

Last night my DIL and I went for a walk in about six inches of freshly fallen snow on a rural road in the area where she grew up in on the outskirts of Bellingham, Washington.  The conversation evolved from her precious  Thanksgiving/Christmas memories to the emotions that Beth Holloway must be experiencing at this time of year.  We held hands and in tears upheld Natalee's family in prayer.

Janet

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She isn't Coming Home

Loving Natalee – Beth Holloway

Page 198:
  The holidays will be here soon, and we’ll have to face the first season without Natalee.   People ask what I will do, how we’ll get through it.  But it’s not the holidays and birthdays that get to me.  It’s the milestones.  Natalee would be looking forward to her winter break after her first semester at college.  But she isn’t coming home from college for Christmas.  She isn’t coming home.


It isn't Easy

Loving Natalee – Beth Holloway

Page 219
: I have to make difficult choices every day. I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me. It’s not easy. I ask God to help me



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 8/26/2010
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 26, 2010, 01:29:08 PM
I forgot about the thread almost ready to switch and ran to the store.  Thanks for getting the thread change CBB!  ::MonkeyCool::

You ran to the store? I didn't notice a thing except a little blur go by!   ::MonkeyTongue::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/2010 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 26, 2010, 01:30:01 PM
I was somewhat taken back that this Canadian Monkey was not the only Monkey logged in this morning.  It was my understanding that ALL Americans are in the stores taking advantage of the Christmas sales.

 ::HelloKitty::

Janet




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 8/26/2010
Post by: texasmom on November 26, 2010, 01:31:17 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_81518.php

Google translation:

'Research needed into gas risks'

November 26, 2010, 24:42 (GMT -04:00)

Email this article 
Print this article 
 
(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/aua-web_001.gif)

From this side of the field WEB Balashi in the pipeline which can then go under water to Venezuela.

ORANGE CITY - Tropical marine biologist Debrot Dolfi says a study to recommend to the environmental effects of the gas pipeline that the government intends to build between Venezuela and Aruba. This pipeline would be brought risk to marine life in the area.

Debrot, formerly director of the Curaçao and environmental Carmabi now linked to Wageningen University, says the underwater life between Venezuela and Aruba is unique. He did this in an interview with Radio Netherlands that the marine biologist also called for an investigation into environmental risks of the pipeline. Since he can, both the construction and later by the release of rust or paint, marine life is damaged or polluted. A preliminary study is therefore necessary, to find the best places for such an underwater pipeline with minimal damage to the environment. That there are risks for marine life and especially the coral is under Debrot because the waters between Venezuela and Aruba shallow. The depth in many places no more than 50 to 80 meters. Therefore, according to the marine biologist also plenty of marine life. The pipeline would be in deeper water, there were "cumulative" less risk because in deeper water are simply less life on the seabed.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 26, 2010, 01:35:37 PM
I changed the date on the opening post from 8/26/2010 to 11/26/10.  I'm hoping that eventually it will be okay.

fwi

It's okay on my post, but may not be on some quoted posts.   


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 26, 2010, 01:42:41 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_81512.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Isabella Bennett (14) go back

November 26, 2010, 24:38 (GMT -04:00)

SAN NICOLAS - Isabella Bennett from Mahuma is again justified. Just before eight hours this morning she was found along Highway Seroe Pre by Antoni Gario, familiar from the carnival band Le Groove. He took her to the police station in San Nicolas.

by our reporter
Ariën Rasmijn

The fourteen year old girl was missing since last Tuesday. "Suddenly I saw her walking down the road. I think she just dropped off by another car, so let Gario know at this newspaper. "She walked quickly in the opposite direction of how I rode. She had her head down and covered her face with her hand but I still recognized her from the many photos that were circulating around. I rode her terminal, grabbed her and talked to her. She told me that her group of boys were detained and that they did not know where she was. Then she began to cry. "According Gario Isabella had other clothes than the media had indicated the last time she was spotted. "She had no school uniform, but a white shirt." Isabella cried on the entire route of Highway Seroe Preto to the police station of San Nicolas. "I helped her out of the car and walked her inside." Isabel was not immediately recognized by agents, according Gario. "Only when I said who she was happy and everyone responded she was brought to the Chief." Gario was then also immediately his statement to police.

Interrogation
According to Suzy Moseley, a good friend of the mother of Isabella now spokesman for the family should, Isabella stayed over two hours at the office of San Nicolas. And she, with her parents to the Children's Department and Vice Squad (KZP) in Balashi moved to make a statement. "After her statement she goes to Centro Medico San Nicolas order to be examined." In other news media was immediately after she was found, speculation sexually abused by her kidnappers. "That will be investigated," said Moseley, who indicated that Isabella has looked good physically but complained of pain all over her body.

Yesterday Amigoe spoke to Isabella's mother, Karina Bennett. She then gave all that the disappearance of her daughter would have to do with gang activity. It would constitute contacts fourteen years studying at her school, EPB San Nicolas. Bennett said yesterday that several arrests had been made and that she now had cause to report himself to the authorities. In previous statements to the press, the Commission said that her daughter had problems with some students but that this had been resolved to the extent known.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on November 26, 2010, 02:16:06 PM
I was somewhat taken back that this Canadian Monkey was not the only Monkey logged in this morning.  It was my understanding that ALL Americans are in the stores taking advantage of the Christmas sales.

 ::HelloKitty::

Janet




I don't shop.  You wouldn't catch me dead shopping today.  When I say I ran to the store that means I ran out of my instant oatmeal. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 26, 2010, 02:21:39 PM
I changed the date on the opening post from 8/26/2010 to 11/26/10.  I'm hoping that eventually it will be okay.

fwi

It's okay on my post, but may not be on some quoted posts.   

Thanks 2NJ!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 26, 2010, 02:24:28 PM
I received this via email:

http://www.curacao-law.com/2007/11/26/aruba-criminal-law/

 

According to the Aruba Penal Code (Article 72) with respect to adults (18 years and older):

    * There is a 6 year statute of limitations on crimes with a maximum term of imprisonment of 3 years (involuntary manslaughter: max. 9 months imprisonment)
    * There is a 12 year statute of limitations on crimes with a term of imprisonment of at least 3 years (voluntary manslaughter: max. 15 years and murder: max. 20 years imprisonment)
    * There is a 18 year statute of limitations on crimes which result in a life sentence (e.g. murder committed by terrorists / kidnapping resulting in the death of the kidnapped person / killing someone to hide a crime: life sentence)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/2010 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 26, 2010, 02:31:40 PM
I was somewhat taken back that this Canadian Monkey was not the only Monkey logged in this morning.  It was my understanding that ALL Americans are in the stores taking advantage of the Christmas sales.

 ::HelloKitty::

Janet




I don't shop.  You wouldn't catch me dead shopping today.  When I say I ran to the store that means I ran out of my instant oatmeal. ::MonkeyCool::

Klaas ... in Canada ... Boxing Day ... the day after Christmas ... is when bargain hunters go crazy.  My grown kids go crazy ... my solid rock of a husband goes crazy.  NOT ME!!  Home is where it is at.

However ... there was a time I stood in lineups outside an establishment at 4:00 AM in freezing weather to pay top dollar for a much sought after cabbage patch doll ... a Ninja Turtle van ... an Nintendo system ...

Janet

 



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Sister on November 26, 2010, 03:47:29 PM
As a reader and not often poster in Natalee's thread, I don't know if this has been mentioned or not:
I received an e-mail from
PurinaPetCare@profile.purina.com (to which you cannot reply)
Subject: Your Dog Could Send You to Aruba??!!

It says in part:
Enter your 'everyday dog' by uploading a photo then rallying votes on Facebook and Twitter.

The top winners in five fun categories get a Flip™ 4GB Camcorder and move on to compete for the Grand Prize—a trip for two to Aruba!

    Contest runs
   November 4 - December 29
   See Official Rules

 For each entry we'll donate $1 to Adopt-a-Pet.com
(up to $50,000).

Don't forget to watch The National Dog Show Presented by Purina® and hosted by John O'Hurley on Thanksgiving day, only on NBC.

PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THIS E-MAIL. We are not able to respond to e-mails received as a reply to this e-mail.
If you have questions or comments, write to us at: Purina, Office of Consumer Affairs, 901 Chouteau, St. Louis, MO 63102. All trademarks and other intellectual property on this site are owned by Société des Produits Nestlé S.A., Vevey, Switzerland

I am a user of Purina products, however, I have written to the Office of Consumer Affairs that if they continue this campaign, but animals will never eat another bit of any Purina product.  Maybe some monkey has a connection to Purina . . . but a letter writing campaign should not be out of the question IMO


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Titch on November 26, 2010, 04:38:30 PM
Happy belated Thanksgiving everyone. Seems I forgot to logout night before last night. To all those shopping today, be safe. To all of us shopping online, cheers!

Here's to hoping JVS and all his little cronies get what they deserve.

Boycott Aruba...most def.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 26, 2010, 05:09:13 PM
As a reader and not often poster in Natalee's thread, I don't know if this has been mentioned or not:
I received an e-mail from
PurinaPetCare@profile.purina.com (to which you cannot reply)
Subject: Your Dog Could Send You to Aruba??!!

It says in part:
Enter your 'everyday dog' by uploading a photo then rallying votes on Facebook and Twitter.

The top winners in five fun categories get a Flip™ 4GB Camcorder and move on to compete for the Grand Prize—a trip for two to Aruba!

    Contest runs
   November 4 - December 29
   See Official Rules

 For each entry we'll donate $1 to Adopt-a-Pet.com
(up to $50,000).

Don't forget to watch The National Dog Show Presented by Purina® and hosted by John O'Hurley on Thanksgiving day, only on NBC.

PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THIS E-MAIL. We are not able to respond to e-mails received as a reply to this e-mail.
If you have questions or comments, write to us at: Purina, Office of Consumer Affairs, 901 Chouteau, St. Louis, MO 63102. All trademarks and other intellectual property on this site are owned by Société des Produits Nestlé S.A., Vevey, Switzerland

I am a user of Purina products, however, I have written to the Office of Consumer Affairs that if they continue this campaign, but animals will never eat another bit of any Purina product.  Maybe some monkey has a connection to Purina . . . but a letter writing campaign should not be out of the question IMO

http://www.petcentric.com/Win/The-petcentric-Dog-Show/Prizes.aspx

Here is a way to contact them:
http://register.purina.com/content/ContactUs?sourcebrand=56



(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/PurinaContest.jpg)

I'd much rather have the Flip Camrecorder




FYI - I put in a fake address and phone number but still voiced my complaint about Aruba  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Sister on November 26, 2010, 05:27:53 PM
As a reader and not often poster in Natalee's thread, I don't know if this has been mentioned or not:
I received an e-mail from
PurinaPetCare@profile.purina.com (to which you cannot reply)
Subject: Your Dog Could Send You to Aruba??!!

It says in part:
Enter your 'everyday dog' by uploading a photo then rallying votes on Facebook and Twitter.

The top winners in five fun categories get a Flip™ 4GB Camcorder and move on to compete for the Grand Prize—a trip for two to Aruba!

    Contest runs
   November 4 - December 29
   See Official Rules

 For each entry we'll donate $1 to Adopt-a-Pet.com
(up to $50,000).

Don't forget to watch The National Dog Show Presented by Purina® and hosted by John O'Hurley on Thanksgiving day, only on NBC.

PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THIS E-MAIL. We are not able to respond to e-mails received as a reply to this e-mail.
If you have questions or comments, write to us at: Purina, Office of Consumer Affairs, 901 Chouteau, St. Louis, MO 63102. All trademarks and other intellectual property on this site are owned by Société des Produits Nestlé S.A., Vevey, Switzerland

I am a user of Purina products, however, I have written to the Office of Consumer Affairs that if they continue this campaign, but animals will never eat another bit of any Purina product.  Maybe some monkey has a connection to Purina . . . but a letter writing campaign should not be out of the question IMO

http://www.petcentric.com/Win/The-petcentric-Dog-Show/Prizes.aspx

Here is a way to contact them:
http://register.purina.com/content/ContactUs?sourcebrand=56



(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/PurinaContest.jpg)

I'd much rather have the Flip Camrecorder

FYI - I put in a fake address and phone number but still voiced my complaint about Aruba  ::MonkeyCool::
I'd just as soon have Kibbles and Bits . . . wait, I don't think that is Purina.  Thank you for making my post clearer.  I just hope folks complain!  I may register to win and if I should, refuse the prize.  Never having won anything in my life, maybe it would be my turn.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: akmom on November 26, 2010, 08:36:49 PM
    There is a show, I believe on TLC called Four Weddings.  Basically a contest between brides, as to who has the best affair.  Several times the prize, which is a honeymoon trip, has been to Aruba.  Not sure who the contact person would be but I was shocked to hear that someone thought this was a great spot for a honeymoon. 


 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: snoopy on November 26, 2010, 09:55:58 PM
Thank goodness Izabella is alive and safe.

Sister........I saw that advertisement yesterday as we were watching the dog show.  I sent an email to Purina.  Haven't heard from them yet, but I sure let them know I wasn't happy at all. lol


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 26, 2010, 09:57:53 PM
My daughter's friend who is a dental assistant claims that an X-ray technologist should know the difference between a wisdom tooth and a molar.

In the excitment of the moment it is certainly understandable was it did not happen but ... I sure wish those tourists had thought to take a picture of the find.

Janet

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Local Man Finds Jawbone On Aruban Beach
Authorities Investigate Whether Bone Belongs To Natalee Holloway

POSTED: 8:25 am EST November 23, 2010
UPDATED: 8:55 am EST November 23, 2010


LEBANON, Conn. -- Investigators are expected to reveal whether a jawbone found in Aruba belongs to Natalee Holloway, who disappeared without a trace in 2005. But, details are emerging on how that bone was found on the beach by a man from Lebanon on a trip with his friends.

Both of the couples said that if the bone does belong to Holloway, they just want her family to know that they treated the discovery with dignity and have been going through a range of emotions ever since they found it.

The friends from Andover and Lebanon flew to Aruba earlier this month to celebrate their wedding anniversaries together.

They said the bone was found on the last day of their trip.

"It was out last day at The Phoenix," said David Knox, of Andover. "We decided to relax and enjoy the beach."

So the couples, celebrating their 35th wedding anniversaries at the resort, took a swim.

However, while Gil Beaulieu's wife and friends sat in the sun, he strolled the beach.

"Gil was trying to find that perfect shell," Knox said.

Beaulieu said, "I noticed there wasn't a lot of people in that area, so I thought maybe I could find some shells."

Beaulieu, from Lebanon, said he noticed a really shiny one that caught his eye.

"I picked up the shell first," he said. "Then I saw the bone. I hesitated because I kind of knew what it was right off the bat."

He said he brought it to his wife, an X-ray technologist who looks at bones every day.

"You do hesitate, because you're not expecting to find a human bone," said Eileen Beaulieu.

"All the teeth were missing except for one molar in the back," Gil Beaulieu said. "It was in good shape."

Such good shape that they could even see a tiny hole in the tooth.

By now, Kathy Knox said she had Natalee Holloway in her head.

"That was basically what I was thinking about," she said. "Is it Natalee?"

They said they put the jaw bone in a plastic cup and then Beaulieu and Knox brought it to the hotel lobby where security took it.

After dinner, a note in their hotel door requested they call police right away.

That's when it was real," Knox said.

Authorities are now analyzing the bone to see if it belongs to Holloway.

And if it is, Eileen Beaulieu said she want's Halloway's mother to know they took care of it respectfully.

"I'd want her to know that we took care of it. We treated it with dignity," Beaulieu said.

"I began to think of the family," said Kathy Knox. "You know, if this is Natalee maybe the family can have some closure."

And if not, at least, perhaps answers for someone.

Fighting back tears, Kathy Knox said, "I don't even know the family, but if my child was missing I can't even imagine being as strong as she has been."

"We all hope very much that this puts an end to somebody's heartache," Gil Beaulieu said.

Video Interview:

http://www.wfsb.com/news/25889547/detail.html


Natalee Holloway: Jawbone Not That of Missing American Teen
Jawbone With One Tooth Attached Found Two Weeks Ago on Aruban Beach
Nov. 23, 2010

The determination was made using Holloway's dental records, according to a statement issued late this morning by the Aruba Public Prosecutor's Office.

Aruban Solicitor General Taco Stein said shortly after the announcement that they could determine quickly that the bone wasn't Holloway's -- the jawbone found on the beach had a wisdom tooth still attached and Holloway's dental records showed the teen had had her wisdom teeth removed.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/natalee-holloway-jaw-bone-missing-american-teen/story?id=12222677




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 26, 2010, 10:16:16 PM
THE TOURISTS

Natalee Holloway: Jaw Bone Found in Aruba, Sent for tests at the NFI Forensic Institute in The Hague (Pictures)

Posted November 16, 2010 by Scared Monkeys


45.  kkthy on November 18th, 2010 5:19 am
We could kick ourselves for not taking a photo of the jaw bone.  It was found at that edge of the water where waves could have brought it up on shore, near where a jetty of rocks go out to protect the beach area.

<snipped>

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/11/16/natalee-holloway-jaw-bone-found-in-aruba-sent-for-tests-at-the-nfi-forensic-institute-in-the-hague-pictures/


kkthy
Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
« Reply #541 on: November 22, 2010, 05:10:28 PM »


The bone that we found at the Phoenix is exactly what they are describing of the lower Jaw Bone with one intact molar.  If you touch the center of your chin and measure to where it would meet the upper jaw... about 5(ish) inches.  It still had a molar and looked VERY human.  That's the bone that we found at the Phoenis.  We turned it in and my husband and friend were interviewed for statements that same evening. (hope this helps)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8964.msg1266442#msg1266442


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: carpe noctem on November 27, 2010, 12:52:08 AM
It takes a lickin` and never stops tickin`!

Nat`s Clock

http://tinyurl.com/2nmatm



2007       days
48173       hours
2890426       minutes
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I created it moons ago!!!! - I just ran across it again.

Justice for Natalee - Never sleeps.

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on November 27, 2010, 05:11:19 AM
Neither do I ..... but that sure is an eye opener.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Sister on November 27, 2010, 09:21:02 AM
Thank goodness Izabella is alive and safe.

Sister........I saw that advertisement yesterday as we were watching the dog show.  I sent an email to Purina.  Haven't heard from them yet, but I sure let them know I wasn't happy at all. lol
Snoopy, I hope they get lots of e-mails.  There are other wonderul places to take a trip i.e. Alaska or Hawaii.  I don't get it . . . why must we always leave the country to have a magnificent trip (though I like traveling abroad as well).  But I think these companies need to think of the US first.  Now a trip to Key West . . . sigh!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Sister on November 27, 2010, 09:22:30 AM
    There is a show, I believe on TLC called Four Weddings.  Basically a contest between brides, as to who has the best affair.  Several times the prize, which is a honeymoon trip, has been to Aruba.  Not sure who the contact person would be but I was shocked to hear that someone thought this was a great spot for a honeymoon. 


akmom, I seldom watch tv, but if someone finds where to write . . . I will do that!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: sharon on November 27, 2010, 09:36:29 AM
 ::HelloKitty::

Excuse the repost

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=615.msg297225#msg297225

Dennis Jacobs ~ Lead Detective? Or Key Obstructionist?

 ::monkeyscissors::  (snipped)

The steps Dennis Jacobs took to whittle down the content of Dave’s meeting with Paulus, and his addition of the not present Detective Soemer’s name to Dave’s statement, and the unbelievably bold steps he took to completely change Beth’s statement made us wonder.

What other statements did Dennis Jacobs manipulate?

What key elements could have been given by these various witnesses and suspects, that Dennis Jacobs may have tampered with?

Freddy Zedan
June 17, 2005
pages 6
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Freddy Zedan Arrambatzis
July 20, 2005
pages 4
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Freddy Alexander Arambatzis
February 10, 2006 17:15
pages 5
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: interrogation of a suspect

Jaime Alberto Carrasquilla
August 30, 2005
pages 5
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Stefany Mejia Cortes
August 23, 2005
pages 5 - attachments of photographs
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement/complaint

Stefany Mejia Cortes
August 24, 2005
pages 3
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement/complaint

Margaritha Dijkhoff - Van der Sloot maid - third statement
August 11, 2005
pages 3
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Judith Geerman
July 29, 2005
page 1
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Koen Gottenbos
August 30, 2005 18:30
pages 3
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Jose Anacleto Maduro
August 28, 2005
pages 5 - two photograph attachments
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement by a prison inmate

Wilfred Benito Maduro
February 14, 2006 16:00
pages 3
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Milangelo Jairo Ferdinand Marcano
September 10, 2005
pages 3
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

**Osman automotive Center employee statements

Osman Farouk Osman
July 20, 2005
pages 4
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement by an automotive Center employee

Osman Farouk Osman
August 6, 2005
pages 2
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement by an Automotive Center employee
**

Carmen Aurora Pacheco
August 29, 2005
pages 3
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Christopher Dangelo Peterson
September 10, 2005
pages 4
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Amanda Portocarrero
July 28, 2005
pages 2
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Carlos Penata Ramos
August 11, 2005
pages 1 - six attachments of boat crew list
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Carlos Penata Ramos
August 16, 2005
pages 2
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Franco S.P. Rivas
August 24, 2005
pages 4
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Leonardo Lopez Rivera - second statement
August 29, 2005
pages 3
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

***Dennis Jacobs same patsey that he used on Dave's statement is attached to this statement. Who really took this statement from Paulus and Anita van der Sloot?


Paul Van der Sloot and Anita Van der Sloot
December 5, 2006
pages 1
writer: Eric Soemers
description: witness statement


May 31 DEEPAK Dennis Dominico JACOBS and Shaniro Baldrik KELLY

May 31 SATISH Dennis Dominico JACOBS

June 16 SATISH,JORAN Dennis Dominico JACOBS, Juan Enrique Boezem, Luigi Angelo Giovanni Croes

June 30 SATISH Dennis Dominico JACOBS and Haydee Azucena NADAL

July 03 SATISH Dennis Dominico JACOBS and Haydee Azucena NADAL

June 5 A.JONES Dennis Dominico JACOBS, Jonathan Patrick ORMAN

June 17 JAMIE Carrasquilla Luigi Angelo Giovanni CROES. Dennis Dominico JACOBS

June 20 ANDRE Dos Santos Dennis Dominico JACOBS and Luigi Angelo Giovanni CROES

July 08 Solvert Reneska (SG) Dennis Dominico JACOBS and Zoraida Megaly de CUBA

August 11 WERLEMAN Dennis Dominico JACOBS and Eric Louis SOEMERS

June 9 JORAN Dennis Domenico JACOBS, Luigi Angelo Giovanni CROES
June 10 JORAN Dennis Dominico Jacobs and Luigi Angelo Giovanni Croes
June 14 JORAN Dennis Domenico JACOBS and Luigi Angelo Giovanni CROES
June 16 SATISH,JORAN Dennis Dominico JACOBS, Juan Enrique Boezem and Luigi Angelo Giovanni Croes
June 24 JORAN (2nd statement) Dennis Domenico JACOBS and Luigi Angelo Giovanni CROES


*What answers could this victim’s family have received had someone other than Dennis Jacobs handled these key suspects and witnesses?

*What truths were hidden by Dennis Jacobs that could have helped this grieving family, and brought justice for the crimes against their beloved Natalee?

Natalee and her family deserve justice, and we will not let up until they have it!
Natalee’s Freebirds
http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: sharon on November 27, 2010, 09:38:54 AM
AVOID ARUBA AS IF YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT...IT DOES!!!

Justice for Natalee Holloway
Peace for her family and loved ones


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Monken on November 27, 2010, 09:56:16 AM
Good Morning All! I was watching Regis & Kelly weeks ago & they had a trip to Aruba on their prize wheel. One morning someone actually won that trip & the excitement that person had when answering their phone to when they found out where the trip was was like night & day! From WooHoo  ::MonkeyDance:: to Gee I'm so excited  ::MonkeyEek:: i really think this person may have asked to swap their trip to somewhere else, they were not excited about Aruba at all. I thought at that time I should email them & tell them that Aruba sucks & people don't want to go there, but I never did. i don't know if that trip is still on their wheel or not, i don't watch it every day; but maybe we could email their show too, ya never know, they might remove it!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 27, 2010, 10:45:31 AM
Good Morning All! I was watching Regis & Kelly weeks ago & they had a trip to Aruba on their prize wheel. One morning someone actually won that trip & the excitement that person had when answering their phone to when they found out where the trip was was like night & day! From WooHoo  ::MonkeyDance:: to Gee I'm so excited  ::MonkeyEek:: i really think this person may have asked to swap their trip to somewhere else, they were not excited about Aruba at all. I thought at that time I should email them & tell them that Aruba sucks & people don't want to go there, but I never did. i don't know if that trip is still on their wheel or not, i don't watch it every day; but maybe we could email their show too, ya never know, they might remove it!

Thanks Monken, it would be fun to have a tape of that show.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 27, 2010, 10:58:38 AM
Good Morning All! I was watching Regis & Kelly weeks ago & they had a trip to Aruba on their prize wheel. One morning someone actually won that trip & the excitement that person had when answering their phone to when they found out where the trip was was like night & day! From WooHoo  ::MonkeyDance:: to Gee I'm so excited  ::MonkeyEek:: i really think this person may have asked to swap their trip to somewhere else, they were not excited about Aruba at all. I thought at that time I should email them & tell them that Aruba sucks & people don't want to go there, but I never did. i don't know if that trip is still on their wheel or not, i don't watch it every day; but maybe we could email their show too, ya never know, they might remove it!

Thanks Monken, it would be fun to have a tape of that show.  ::MonkeyCool::

I agree!  That's why I quit watching Wheel of Fortune.  One trip to Aruba too many!   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 27, 2010, 12:02:00 PM
Hi Sharon

 ::HelloKitty::

Thank you for the reminder.

It is important that SM members and guests reading the forum who do not have an indepth knowledge encompassing the corrupt Aruban investigation that has prevented justice from prevailing since May 30, 2005 are informed.

Somehow I do not believe that the Aruban tourists who found the jawbone would have turned it over to Aruban authorities ... without at the very least ... taken a photos of the find from every angle if one of them really comprehended.  I know you or I would have taken steps to ensure the truth was not covered up.

I hope you had a nice Thanksgiving.

Janet




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 27, 2010, 12:21:24 PM
I checked the Dr. Phil log and could not find a request for the statement that Dave Holloway is referring to in his book.

Janet

+++++


Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 182/183:
  The day after our talk with Ms. Flanegan, I had to go to the police staton to turn in the statement that I had given to Dennis Jacobs.  He had given me a copy to go over with my attorney, Vinda.  But, after looking at it, I realized that it was only a page and a half long and had little to do with what we had actually discussed the most, the conversation that I had with Paulus van der Sloot at the prison ...  I had spent a long time with Jacobs, and much of my interview was not in the statement.

When I went back to turn it in and discuss it with him, I was told that Jacobs was in with Jan van der Stratten. ....

I commented to Jacobs about how short my statement was. He said that I could add anything I wanted to it. Also, I noticed that Eric Soemers's name was on it, but that detective was not even present during the interview. Now I wondered if Jacobs was making up everyone's statement and getting Eric to sign on to them. If that were the case, he could state anything he wanted, and it would look like an official statement made in front of a witness.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on November 27, 2010, 12:21:46 PM
I find it really strange that the Purina Company (sells dog food) has teamed up with Aruba, offering a trip to those that buy Purina Dog Food a chance to win a trip to Aruba. I wonder what the pet owners that buy Purina Dog Food and win the trip will think when they come to Aruba and see the stray, starving dogs that are around the island?  Shouldn't Purina offer a trip somewhere dogs and other animals are well treated?  I wonder how the winners would feel if they see the legs of a donkey sticking out of a dumpster ( like one of the photos that were posted here at SM)  in Aruba while on the vacation they won?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Blonde on November 27, 2010, 12:28:11 PM
My daughter's friend who is a dental assistant claims that an X-ray technologist should know the difference between a wisdom tooth and a molar.

In the excitment of the moment it is certainly understandable was it did not happen but ... I sure wish those tourists had thought to take a picture of the find.

Janet

++++++
 

Local Man Finds Jawbone On Aruban Beach
Authorities Investigate Whether Bone Belongs To Natalee Holloway

POSTED: 8:25 am EST November 23, 2010
UPDATED: 8:55 am EST November 23, 2010


LEBANON, Conn. -- Investigators are expected to reveal whether a jawbone found in Aruba belongs to Natalee Holloway, who disappeared without a trace in 2005. But, details are emerging on how that bone was found on the beach by a man from Lebanon on a trip with his friends.

Both of the couples said that if the bone does belong to Holloway, they just want her family to know that they treated the discovery with dignity and have been going through a range of emotions ever since they found it.

The friends from Andover and Lebanon flew to Aruba earlier this month to celebrate their wedding anniversaries together.

They said the bone was found on the last day of their trip.

"It was out last day at The Phoenix," said David Knox, of Andover. "We decided to relax and enjoy the beach."

So the couples, celebrating their 35th wedding anniversaries at the resort, took a swim.

However, while Gil Beaulieu's wife and friends sat in the sun, he strolled the beach.

"Gil was trying to find that perfect shell," Knox said.

Beaulieu said, "I noticed there wasn't a lot of people in that area, so I thought maybe I could find some shells."

Beaulieu, from Lebanon, said he noticed a really shiny one that caught his eye.

"I picked up the shell first," he said. "Then I saw the bone. I hesitated because I kind of knew what it was right off the bat."

He said he brought it to his wife, an X-ray technologist who looks at bones every day.

"You do hesitate, because you're not expecting to find a human bone," said Eileen Beaulieu.

"All the teeth were missing except for one molar in the back," Gil Beaulieu said. "It was in good shape."

Such good shape that they could even see a tiny hole in the tooth.

By now, Kathy Knox said she had Natalee Holloway in her head.

"That was basically what I was thinking about," she said. "Is it Natalee?"

They said they put the jaw bone in a plastic cup and then Beaulieu and Knox brought it to the hotel lobby where security took it.

After dinner, a note in their hotel door requested they call police right away.

That's when it was real," Knox said.

Authorities are now analyzing the bone to see if it belongs to Holloway.

And if it is, Eileen Beaulieu said she want's Halloway's mother to know they took care of it respectfully.

"I'd want her to know that we took care of it. We treated it with dignity," Beaulieu said.

"I began to think of the family," said Kathy Knox. "You know, if this is Natalee maybe the family can have some closure."

And if not, at least, perhaps answers for someone.

Fighting back tears, Kathy Knox said, "I don't even know the family, but if my child was missing I can't even imagine being as strong as she has been."

"We all hope very much that this puts an end to somebody's heartache," Gil Beaulieu said.

Video Interview:

http://www.wfsb.com/news/25889547/detail.html


Natalee Holloway: Jawbone Not That of Missing American Teen
Jawbone With One Tooth Attached Found Two Weeks Ago on Aruban Beach
Nov. 23, 2010

The determination was made using Holloway's dental records, according to a statement issued late this morning by the Aruba Public Prosecutor's Office.

Aruban Solicitor General Taco Stein said shortly after the announcement that they could determine quickly that the bone wasn't Holloway's -- the jawbone found on the beach had a wisdom tooth still attached and Holloway's dental records showed the teen had had her wisdom teeth removed.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/natalee-holloway-jaw-bone-missing-american-teen/story?id=12222677






Hmmm


Yup!  That is from the official statement.  I will post it again:

Official Press Release

At the request of the Aruban Public Prosecutor's Office the Netherlands Forensic Institute has conducted forensic anthropological and DNA investigations on bone material, a piece of jawbone with a tooth. These investigations were executed simultaneously. Detailed examination by the NFI excludes the possibility that the bone material found in Aruba is that of Natalee Holloway. Exclusion after comparing dental records It was, first, necessary to establish that the bone material was in fact human material. This is the case. Thus the forensic anthropological investigation was expanded to include an investigation by forensic odontologists. Using the dental records of Natalee Holloway, such as the location of wisdom teeth and fillings, a comparison was made with the jaw bone recovered on Aruba. Based on these comparisons it could be excluded that the investigated bone material and molar came from Natalee Holloway. DNA testing Along with the forensic anthropological and odontological research, the NFI initiated a forensic DNA investigation. However, only a very small amount of DNA material was present and that was also of low quality. The bone appeared to have been exposed to various (weather) influences and proved to be porous. DNA researchers at the NFI therefore have applied extensive and highly sophisticated techniques to the DNA present in the bone to be examined. On the basis of the comparison of the dental records the possibility that the bone material came from Natalee Holloway was excluded, therefore further DNA testing has been stopped. There is still a possibility that the molar from the jawbone could be used for further efforts to generate a DNA profile. However this follow-up study of said molar would inhibit future research into identifying the person from whom the bone originates. Given that, based on dental records, it can be ruled out that the bone fragment came from Natalee Holloway, the Office of the Public Prosecutor in Aruba has decided not yet to carry out further research on the material. The prosecution will decide what further action will be taken to identify the bone material. Natalee Holloway Investigation The Office of the Public Prosecutor in Aruba has been involved in an investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway since her dissapearance. The case retains the constant attention from law enforcement

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/24580-resultado-di-test-di-weso.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 27, 2010, 12:31:31 PM
::HelloKitty::

Excuse the repost

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=615.msg297225#msg297225

Dennis Jacobs ~ Lead Detective? Or Key Obstructionist?

 ::monkeyscissors::  (snipped)

The steps Dennis Jacobs took to whittle down the content of Dave’s meeting with Paulus, and his addition of the not present Detective Soemer’s name to Dave’s statement, and the unbelievably bold steps he took to completely change Beth’s statement made us wonder.

What other statements did Dennis Jacobs manipulate?

What key elements could have been given by these various witnesses and suspects, that Dennis Jacobs may have tampered with?

Freddy Zedan
June 17, 2005
pages 6
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Freddy Zedan Arrambatzis
July 20, 2005
pages 4
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Freddy Alexander Arambatzis
February 10, 2006 17:15
pages 5
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: interrogation of a suspect

Jaime Alberto Carrasquilla
August 30, 2005
pages 5
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Stefany Mejia Cortes
August 23, 2005
pages 5 - attachments of photographs
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement/complaint

Stefany Mejia Cortes
August 24, 2005
pages 3
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement/complaint

Margaritha Dijkhoff - Van der Sloot maid - third statement
August 11, 2005
pages 3
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Judith Geerman
July 29, 2005
page 1
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Koen Gottenbos
August 30, 2005 18:30
pages 3
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Jose Anacleto Maduro
August 28, 2005
pages 5 - two photograph attachments
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement by a prison inmate

Wilfred Benito Maduro
February 14, 2006 16:00
pages 3
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Milangelo Jairo Ferdinand Marcano
September 10, 2005
pages 3
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

**Osman automotive Center employee statements

Osman Farouk Osman
July 20, 2005
pages 4
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement by an automotive Center employee

Osman Farouk Osman
August 6, 2005
pages 2
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement by an Automotive Center employee
**

Carmen Aurora Pacheco
August 29, 2005
pages 3
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Christopher Dangelo Peterson
September 10, 2005
pages 4
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Amanda Portocarrero
July 28, 2005
pages 2
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Carlos Penata Ramos
August 11, 2005
pages 1 - six attachments of boat crew list
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Carlos Penata Ramos
August 16, 2005
pages 2
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Franco S.P. Rivas
August 24, 2005
pages 4
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Leonardo Lopez Rivera - second statement
August 29, 2005
pages 3
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

***Dennis Jacobs same patsey that he used on Dave's statement is attached to this statement. Who really took this statement from Paulus and Anita van der Sloot?


Paul Van der Sloot and Anita Van der Sloot
December 5, 2006
pages 1
writer: Eric Soemers
description: witness statement



May 31 DEEPAK Dennis Dominico JACOBS and Shaniro Baldrik KELLY

May 31 SATISH Dennis Dominico JACOBS

June 16 SATISH,JORAN Dennis Dominico JACOBS, Juan Enrique Boezem, Luigi Angelo Giovanni Croes

June 30 SATISH Dennis Dominico JACOBS and Haydee Azucena NADAL

July 03 SATISH Dennis Dominico JACOBS and Haydee Azucena NADAL

June 5 A.JONES Dennis Dominico JACOBS, Jonathan Patrick ORMAN

June 17 JAMIE Carrasquilla Luigi Angelo Giovanni CROES. Dennis Dominico JACOBS

June 20 ANDRE Dos Santos Dennis Dominico JACOBS and Luigi Angelo Giovanni CROES

July 08 Solvert Reneska (SG) Dennis Dominico JACOBS and Zoraida Megaly de CUBA

August 11 WERLEMAN Dennis Dominico JACOBS and Eric Louis SOEMERS

June 9 JORAN Dennis Domenico JACOBS, Luigi Angelo Giovanni CROES
June 10 JORAN Dennis Dominico Jacobs and Luigi Angelo Giovanni Croes
June 14 JORAN Dennis Domenico JACOBS and Luigi Angelo Giovanni CROES
June 16 SATISH,JORAN Dennis Dominico JACOBS, Juan Enrique Boezem and Luigi Angelo Giovanni Croes
June 24 JORAN (2nd statement) Dennis Domenico JACOBS and Luigi Angelo Giovanni CROES


*What answers could this victim’s family have received had someone other than Dennis Jacobs handled these key suspects and witnesses?

*What truths were hidden by Dennis Jacobs that could have helped this grieving family, and brought justice for the crimes against their beloved Natalee?

Natalee and her family deserve justice, and we will not let up until they have it!
Natalee’s Freebirds
http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/

Thanks Sharon!   ::MonkeyCool::

I haven't listened to much of these recordings at all, but this reminded me of something I heard in one of them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Wl71eShp0A

Daniel Young: In April of 06 we went back to Aruba, and Paul van der Sloot picked us up at the airport.  Julia Renfro came over with one of her colleagues, to Anita's house...and we (began?, or we'd been?) conversing back and forth...Anita...the police department, Eric Soemers... in Aruba. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 27, 2010, 12:57:36 PM

<snipped>

Local Man Finds Jawbone On Aruban Beach
Authorities Investigate Whether Bone Belongs To Natalee Holloway

POSTED: 8:25 am EST November 23, 2010
UPDATED: 8:55 am EST November 23, 2010


<snipped>

"All the teeth were missing except for one molar in the back," Gil Beaulieu said. "It was in good shape."

Such good shape that they could even see a tiny hole in the tooth.

<snipped>

http://www.wfsb.com/news/25889547/detail.html


Natalee Holloway: Jawbone Not That of Missing American Teen
Jawbone With One Tooth Attached Found Two Weeks Ago on Aruban Beach
Nov. 23, 2010


The determination was made using Holloway's dental records, according to a statement issued late this morning by the Aruba Public Prosecutor's Office.

Aruban Solicitor General Taco Stein said shortly after the announcement that they could determine quickly that the bone wasn't Holloway's -- the jawbone found on the beach had a wisdom tooth still attached and Holloway's dental records showed the teen had had her wisdom teeth removed.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/natalee-holloway-jaw-bone-missing-american-teen/story?id=12222677



Hmmm

Yup!  That is from the official statement.  I will post it again:

Official Press Release

<snipped>

Using the dental records of Natalee Holloway, such as the location of wisdom teeth and fillings, a comparison was made with the jaw bone recovered on Aruba. Based on these comparisons it could be excluded that the investigated bone material and molar came from Natalee Holloway. DNA testing Along with the forensic anthropological and odontological research, the NFI initiated a forensic DNA investigation. However, only a very small amount of DNA material was present and that was also of low quality. The bone appeared to have been exposed to various (weather) influences and proved to be porous.

<snipped>

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/24580-resultado-di-test-di-weso.html

GREAT CATCH!!

Blonde ... I hope the FBI has requested an image of the jawbone find.  Maybe the tourists could confirm whether or not the Aruban cover up in the Natalee Holloway case is being furthered.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Blonde on November 27, 2010, 01:16:14 PM

<snipped>

Local Man Finds Jawbone On Aruban Beach
Authorities Investigate Whether Bone Belongs To Natalee Holloway

POSTED: 8:25 am EST November 23, 2010
UPDATED: 8:55 am EST November 23, 2010


<snipped>

"All the teeth were missing except for one molar in the back," Gil Beaulieu said. "It was in good shape."

Such good shape that they could even see a tiny hole in the tooth.

<snipped>

http://www.wfsb.com/news/25889547/detail.html


Natalee Holloway: Jawbone Not That of Missing American Teen
Jawbone With One Tooth Attached Found Two Weeks Ago on Aruban Beach
Nov. 23, 2010


The determination was made using Holloway's dental records, according to a statement issued late this morning by the Aruba Public Prosecutor's Office.

Aruban Solicitor General Taco Stein said shortly after the announcement that they could determine quickly that the bone wasn't Holloway's -- the jawbone found on the beach had a wisdom tooth still attached and Holloway's dental records showed the teen had had her wisdom teeth removed.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/natalee-holloway-jaw-bone-missing-american-teen/story?id=12222677



Hmmm

Yup!  That is from the official statement.  I will post it again:

Official Press Release

<snipped>

Using the dental records of Natalee Holloway, such as the location of wisdom teeth and fillings, a comparison was made with the jaw bone recovered on Aruba. Based on these comparisons it could be excluded that the investigated bone material and molar came from Natalee Holloway. DNA testing Along with the forensic anthropological and odontological research, the NFI initiated a forensic DNA investigation. However, only a very small amount of DNA material was present and that was also of low quality. The bone appeared to have been exposed to various (weather) influences and proved to be porous.

<snipped>

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/24580-resultado-di-test-di-weso.html

GREAT CATCH!!

Blonde ... I hope the FBI has requested an image of the jawbone find.  Maybe the tourists could confirm whether or not the Aruban cover up in the Natalee Holloway case is being furthered.

Janet


YES this may be way he's so happy
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Aruba%20Law%20E/Jinkasaurus.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 27, 2010, 01:25:33 PM
Blonde

As others have indicated ... the skull inside the trap appears to be missing a jawbone.

Janet

++++

The Fish Trap Door was Open
 
Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
  .... I got the OK to begin our ROV dive series for the 29th, so I made it our first dive. We got visual of the fish trap and that it was suspicious. Basically, the fish trap door was open and there appeared to be a skull and torso-shape in sand on the door inside the trap.

<snipped>
 
Kermit


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: sharon on November 27, 2010, 01:33:43 PM
Hi Sharon

 ::HelloKitty::

Thank you for the reminder.

It is important that SM members and guests reading the forum who do not have an indepth knowledge encompassing the corrupt Aruban investigation that has prevented justice from prevailing since May 30, 2005 are informed.

Somehow I do not believe that the Aruban tourists who found the jawbone would have turned it over to Aruban authorities ... without at the very least ... taken a photos of the find from every angle if one of them really comprehended.  I know you or I would have taken steps to ensure the truth was not covered up.

I hope you had a nice Thanksgiving.

Janet




 ::HelloKitty::

Thanks, Janet. Time with family and friends is always nice for me -- especially when food and wine are involved  ::monkeywine2::

I can not imagine doing anything of importance with anything Aruban without making it an official transaction with a jurisdiction outside of that craggy rock. Maybe with Switzerland, so the traitors can't use their anti-American agenda as a defense.

And yes -- you understand my intent exactly :-)  I'm thrilled that this cause continues to gain supporters -- but it is not reasonable to expect that newcomers have had the chance to be exposed to and digest the past 5 + years.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: sharon on November 27, 2010, 01:40:24 PM
::HelloKitty::

Excuse the repost

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=615.msg297225#msg297225

Dennis Jacobs ~ Lead Detective? Or Key Obstructionist?

 ::monkeyscissors::  (snipped)

The steps Dennis Jacobs took to whittle down the content of Dave’s meeting with Paulus, and his addition of the not present Detective Soemer’s name to Dave’s statement, and the unbelievably bold steps he took to completely change Beth’s statement made us wonder.

What other statements did Dennis Jacobs manipulate?

What key elements could have been given by these various witnesses and suspects, that Dennis Jacobs may have tampered with?

Freddy Zedan
June 17, 2005
pages 6
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Freddy Zedan Arrambatzis
July 20, 2005
pages 4
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Freddy Alexander Arambatzis
February 10, 2006 17:15
pages 5
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: interrogation of a suspect

Jaime Alberto Carrasquilla
August 30, 2005
pages 5
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Stefany Mejia Cortes
August 23, 2005
pages 5 - attachments of photographs
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement/complaint

Stefany Mejia Cortes
August 24, 2005
pages 3
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement/complaint

Margaritha Dijkhoff - Van der Sloot maid - third statement
August 11, 2005
pages 3
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Judith Geerman
July 29, 2005
page 1
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Koen Gottenbos
August 30, 2005 18:30
pages 3
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Jose Anacleto Maduro
August 28, 2005
pages 5 - two photograph attachments
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement by a prison inmate

Wilfred Benito Maduro
February 14, 2006 16:00
pages 3
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Milangelo Jairo Ferdinand Marcano
September 10, 2005
pages 3
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

**Osman automotive Center employee statements

Osman Farouk Osman
July 20, 2005
pages 4
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement by an automotive Center employee

Osman Farouk Osman
August 6, 2005
pages 2
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement by an Automotive Center employee
**

Carmen Aurora Pacheco
August 29, 2005
pages 3
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Christopher Dangelo Peterson
September 10, 2005
pages 4
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Amanda Portocarrero
July 28, 2005
pages 2
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Carlos Penata Ramos
August 11, 2005
pages 1 - six attachments of boat crew list
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Carlos Penata Ramos
August 16, 2005
pages 2
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Franco S.P. Rivas
August 24, 2005
pages 4
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Leonardo Lopez Rivera - second statement
August 29, 2005
pages 3
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

***Dennis Jacobs same patsey that he used on Dave's statement is attached to this statement. Who really took this statement from Paulus and Anita van der Sloot?


Paul Van der Sloot and Anita Van der Sloot
December 5, 2006
pages 1
writer: Eric Soemers
description: witness statement



May 31 DEEPAK Dennis Dominico JACOBS and Shaniro Baldrik KELLY

May 31 SATISH Dennis Dominico JACOBS

June 16 SATISH,JORAN Dennis Dominico JACOBS, Juan Enrique Boezem, Luigi Angelo Giovanni Croes

June 30 SATISH Dennis Dominico JACOBS and Haydee Azucena NADAL

July 03 SATISH Dennis Dominico JACOBS and Haydee Azucena NADAL

June 5 A.JONES Dennis Dominico JACOBS, Jonathan Patrick ORMAN

June 17 JAMIE Carrasquilla Luigi Angelo Giovanni CROES. Dennis Dominico JACOBS

June 20 ANDRE Dos Santos Dennis Dominico JACOBS and Luigi Angelo Giovanni CROES

July 08 Solvert Reneska (SG) Dennis Dominico JACOBS and Zoraida Megaly de CUBA

August 11 WERLEMAN Dennis Dominico JACOBS and Eric Louis SOEMERS

June 9 JORAN Dennis Domenico JACOBS, Luigi Angelo Giovanni CROES
June 10 JORAN Dennis Dominico Jacobs and Luigi Angelo Giovanni Croes
June 14 JORAN Dennis Domenico JACOBS and Luigi Angelo Giovanni CROES
June 16 SATISH,JORAN Dennis Dominico JACOBS, Juan Enrique Boezem and Luigi Angelo Giovanni Croes
June 24 JORAN (2nd statement) Dennis Domenico JACOBS and Luigi Angelo Giovanni CROES


*What answers could this victim’s family have received had someone other than Dennis Jacobs handled these key suspects and witnesses?

*What truths were hidden by Dennis Jacobs that could have helped this grieving family, and brought justice for the crimes against their beloved Natalee?

Natalee and her family deserve justice, and we will not let up until they have it!
Natalee’s Freebirds
http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/

Thanks Sharon!   ::MonkeyCool::

I haven't listened to much of these recordings at all, but this reminded me of something I heard in one of them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Wl71eShp0A

Daniel Young: In April of 06 we went back to Aruba, and Paul van der Sloot picked us up at the airport.  Julia Renfro came over with one of her colleagues, to Anita's house...and we (began?, or we'd been?) conversing back and forth...Anita...the police department, Eric Soemers... in Aruba. 

 ::MonkeyShovel:: ::MonkeyShovel::

It's like the kid's game - connect the dots.

They think we are so 'stoopid'  ::piggy:: We wouldn't notice. The intent to mislead and confuse.  ::CowboySmiley::

Hope you had a great Thanksgiving, TM.

We will all see this thru together. Regardless how long it takes. Beth keeps me going. Fearless. She has nothing left to fear.

(I HATE THEM ALL)




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 27, 2010, 01:41:09 PM
www.facebook.com

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Alberto Groenveldt, Carlos Tromp, Eric Soemers, Robert Vrolijk

7/21/2009 24ora

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 27, 2010, 02:00:30 PM
::HelloKitty::

Excuse the repost

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=615.msg297225#msg297225

Dennis Jacobs ~ Lead Detective? Or Key Obstructionist?

 ::monkeyscissors::  (snipped)

The steps Dennis Jacobs took to whittle down the content of Dave’s meeting with Paulus, and his addition of the not present Detective Soemer’s name to Dave’s statement, and the unbelievably bold steps he took to completely change Beth’s statement made us wonder.

What other statements did Dennis Jacobs manipulate?

What key elements could have been given by these various witnesses and suspects, that Dennis Jacobs may have tampered with?

Freddy Zedan
June 17, 2005
pages 6
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Freddy Zedan Arrambatzis
July 20, 2005
pages 4
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Freddy Alexander Arambatzis
February 10, 2006 17:15
pages 5
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: interrogation of a suspect

Jaime Alberto Carrasquilla
August 30, 2005
pages 5
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Stefany Mejia Cortes
August 23, 2005
pages 5 - attachments of photographs
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement/complaint

Stefany Mejia Cortes
August 24, 2005
pages 3
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement/complaint

Margaritha Dijkhoff - Van der Sloot maid - third statement
August 11, 2005
pages 3
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Judith Geerman
July 29, 2005
page 1
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Koen Gottenbos
August 30, 2005 18:30
pages 3
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Jose Anacleto Maduro
August 28, 2005
pages 5 - two photograph attachments
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement by a prison inmate

Wilfred Benito Maduro
February 14, 2006 16:00
pages 3
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Milangelo Jairo Ferdinand Marcano
September 10, 2005
pages 3
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

**Osman automotive Center employee statements

Osman Farouk Osman
July 20, 2005
pages 4
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement by an automotive Center employee

Osman Farouk Osman
August 6, 2005
pages 2
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement by an Automotive Center employee
**

Carmen Aurora Pacheco
August 29, 2005
pages 3
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Christopher Dangelo Peterson
September 10, 2005
pages 4
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Amanda Portocarrero
July 28, 2005
pages 2
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Carlos Penata Ramos
August 11, 2005
pages 1 - six attachments of boat crew list
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Carlos Penata Ramos
August 16, 2005
pages 2
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Franco S.P. Rivas
August 24, 2005
pages 4
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Leonardo Lopez Rivera - second statement
August 29, 2005
pages 3
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

***Dennis Jacobs same patsey that he used on Dave's statement is attached to this statement. Who really took this statement from Paulus and Anita van der Sloot?


Paul Van der Sloot and Anita Van der Sloot
December 5, 2006
pages 1
writer: Eric Soemers
description: witness statement



May 31 DEEPAK Dennis Dominico JACOBS and Shaniro Baldrik KELLY

May 31 SATISH Dennis Dominico JACOBS

June 16 SATISH,JORAN Dennis Dominico JACOBS, Juan Enrique Boezem, Luigi Angelo Giovanni Croes

June 30 SATISH Dennis Dominico JACOBS and Haydee Azucena NADAL

July 03 SATISH Dennis Dominico JACOBS and Haydee Azucena NADAL

June 5 A.JONES Dennis Dominico JACOBS, Jonathan Patrick ORMAN

June 17 JAMIE Carrasquilla Luigi Angelo Giovanni CROES. Dennis Dominico JACOBS

June 20 ANDRE Dos Santos Dennis Dominico JACOBS and Luigi Angelo Giovanni CROES

July 08 Solvert Reneska (SG) Dennis Dominico JACOBS and Zoraida Megaly de CUBA

August 11 WERLEMAN Dennis Dominico JACOBS and Eric Louis SOEMERS

June 9 JORAN Dennis Domenico JACOBS, Luigi Angelo Giovanni CROES
June 10 JORAN Dennis Dominico Jacobs and Luigi Angelo Giovanni Croes
June 14 JORAN Dennis Domenico JACOBS and Luigi Angelo Giovanni CROES
June 16 SATISH,JORAN Dennis Dominico JACOBS, Juan Enrique Boezem and Luigi Angelo Giovanni Croes
June 24 JORAN (2nd statement) Dennis Domenico JACOBS and Luigi Angelo Giovanni CROES


*What answers could this victim’s family have received had someone other than Dennis Jacobs handled these key suspects and witnesses?

*What truths were hidden by Dennis Jacobs that could have helped this grieving family, and brought justice for the crimes against their beloved Natalee?

Natalee and her family deserve justice, and we will not let up until they have it!
Natalee’s Freebirds
http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/

Thanks Sharon!   ::MonkeyCool::

I haven't listened to much of these recordings at all, but this reminded me of something I heard in one of them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Wl71eShp0A

Daniel Young: In April of 06 we went back to Aruba, and Paul van der Sloot picked us up at the airport.  Julia Renfro came over with one of her colleagues, to Anita's house...and we (began?, or we'd been?) conversing back and forth...Anita...the police department, Eric Soemers... in Aruba. 

 ::MonkeyShovel:: ::MonkeyShovel::

It's like the kid's game - connect the dots.

They think we are so 'stoopid'  ::piggy:: We wouldn't notice. The intent to mislead and confuse.  ::CowboySmiley::

Hope you had a great Thanksgiving, TM.

We will all see this thru together. Regardless how long it takes. Beth keeps me going. Fearless. She has nothing left to fear.

(I HATE THEM ALL)


 ::MonkeyShovel::
Sometimes I think that monkey with the shovel needs a "poop suit" on!    ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyWink::

The more digging that is done the more obvious it is just how much "do do" those miscreants are willing to spew in an attempt to distract from and/or cover up the dirty deeds on that hellhole!

No doubt in my mind at all that some of those "witness statements" are full of it too!

Wonder why Paul and Anita were giving a "witness statement" in Dec 2006, 18 months after Natalee disappeared...hmmm?   ::MonkeyQuestion::

We had a great Thanksgiving, I'm glad yours was good too!   ::MonkeyKiss:: 



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 27, 2010, 02:04:42 PM
AVOID ARUBA AS IF YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT...IT DOES!!!

Justice for Natalee Holloway
Peace for her family and loved ones


::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 27, 2010, 02:11:39 PM
We Never had a Chance

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 189:
   It's the proverbial, Biblical conflict between good and evil.  It's very, very hard to fight evil because it constantly changes form and you never know who your enemies are.  And evil is always two steps ahead.  From the outset we never had a chance.  But we didn't know it

+++++++


Name: Beth Ann Holloway
Date: 01 June 2005 / 10:30
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs / Shaniro Baldrik
Description: witness statement
______


1.  The Statement

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 76
:  Detective Jacobs says he will only take my statement, not the others.

Page 77:   At what seems like one letter at a time, Jacobs types in Dutch what I say to him in English.  It's tedious.  Arduous. Downright painful.  It's a very, very, very slow process ... 

I explain finding the car she was seen getting into parked at the van der Sloot home.  I review the dramatic encounter in the van der Sloot front year in the wee hours of Tuesday morning during which Joran described his sexual activites with Natalee as she was falling asleep and walking up.  Falling asleep and waking up.  How he described her as drunk.

Describing the reencactment that followed at the Holiday Inn, I relate how Deepak Kalpoe and Joran van der Sloot specifically showed me exactly where they left Natalee.  I give the names and include elaborate detailed physical descriptions of all those present for this demonstration.  I tell how Joran and Deepak said she stumbled and bumped her head, how she refused help from them and went inside the lobby.

For two hour I talk.  He types.  Jug comes in to check on me.  A little while later Jodi comes in, then leaves again.  I am still talking, and the detective is still typing.  I've been here for a total of four hours when we finally finish with my statement.

At the conclusion, Jacobs calls in another detective, a young uniformed officer, and gives him some verbal directions in Papiamento.  The young officer turns to me and begins to read my statement back to me, from Dutch to English.  When he gets to the last word he looks at me and asks, "Are these your words?'  And I respond in the affirmative.  But I am not allowed a copy.


2. Minor Revisions

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 88/89:
  At the restaurant I order a meal, but only eat a bite or two.  The others have worked up an appetite, and the meal is a good time for everyone to regroup before the calls start coming in again tonight.  As dinner concludes, detective Jacobs appears at our table.  He’s holding official documents.  Surprised to see him here at ten o’oclock at night, we invite him to sit down, hoping he has some pertinent information about Natalee.  The detective says he just wants me to sign a new statement.

Jug immediately asks him, “What’s the difference between this one and one she gave you this morning?’

Jacobs says that some dates were wrong and have been corrected, and he needs my signature on the new corrected copy.

The document is in Dutch, which is Greek to me.  I have no idea what it says.  I can’t tell if it’s different from the one the young officer read to me this morning, which I signed, or not.  But all I have to rely on is the Aruban police process, so I gladly submit to his request and sign every single page.  Desperate, I will do anything they ask.  Maybe I can get a copy of this one.  I’ll worry about having it translated later.  For now, I will trust.


3.  Not my Words!!

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Pages 187/189:
After waiting months to find out what my statement actually says, Jug calls on my first day in California. He has finally been able to obtain the translation of my statement from prosecutor Janssen. The one the detective brought to me to sign late that night in the restaurant. And I trusted him, and signed every page.

“listen to this, Beth …” The words he reads echo in my head. I begin to sink, and could slide to the ground out of my chair. “Jug, they changed it. They changed my statement.”

I had carefully given intricate details about the encounter in the van der Sloot front yard the first night we got to the island, including names and physical descriptions. Now Paulus van der Sloot is described only as “the man with the glasses.”

Those are not my words.

Earlier we learned from the prosecutor that the statements from the two uniformed officers who were with us in the van der Sloot front yard that morning didn’t mention the sexual encounters described by Joran between Natalee and him. No mention of his sexual contact with her as she was falling asleep and walking up. No mention of his description of her underwear and genitalia. So the judge never heard about all that.

There‘s no way a police officer could stand there that morning, hear what Joran was saying, and fail to include these details in a statement. No way. In my opinion this information must have been deleted for the officers.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 27, 2010, 02:32:58 PM
Man shot in the abdomen.

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/24768-homber-tira-na-madiki-.html

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1...images.stories.news.2010.november.nov27.tiramentomadiki.madiki.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

man throw at madiki

saturday, 27 november 2010 14:56

at height of las caleñas at madiki saturday nightfall one man owing to wordo throw at his abdomen. ambulance owing to present n'e sitio y owing to transporta he of surname b. for hospital cu maximo urgencia. recherche owing to present n'e sitio y owing to cuminsa cu they investigacion. police is in buskeda now of the person cu owing to throw he, apparently one conoci of police. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 27, 2010, 02:35:08 PM
Hi Sharon

 ::HelloKitty::

Thank you for the reminder.

It is important that SM members and guests reading the forum who do not have an indepth knowledge encompassing the corrupt Aruban investigation that has prevented justice from prevailing since May 30, 2005 are informed.

Somehow I do not believe that the Aruban tourists who found the jawbone would have turned it over to Aruban authorities ... without at the very least ... taken a photos of the find from every angle if one of them really comprehended.  I know you or I would have taken steps to ensure the truth was not covered up.

I hope you had a nice Thanksgiving.

Janet




 ::HelloKitty::

Thanks, Janet. Time with family and friends is always nice for me -- especially when food and wine are involved  ::monkeywine2::

I can not imagine doing anything of importance with anything Aruban without making it an official transaction with a jurisdiction outside of that craggy rock. Maybe with Switzerland, so the traitors can't use their anti-American agenda as a defense.

And yes -- you understand my intent exactly :-)  I'm thrilled that this cause continues to gain supporters -- but it is not reasonable to expect that newcomers have had the chance to be exposed to and digest the past 5 + years.



I believe that both Dave and Beth's respective books provide great foundational knowledge to build on encompassing the Aruban cover up agenda in the Natalee Holloway case.

My son purchased online five copies of each book at a very reasonable cost.  I am sending one set out to American friends as a Christmas present ... friends  who used our home as a base during the Winter Olympics.

Details encompassing the Natalee Holloway case had become a faded memory but when our friend made the statement ... "CRIME HAPPENS EVERYWHERE" ... my hubby gave me "the look" that implied it was best that I end the discussion. 

Janet

+++++

ARUBA: THE TRAGIC UNTOLD STORY OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY AND CORRUPTION IN PARADISE
By Dave Holloway

Publisher: Thomas Nelson Publishers-Business (Mar 15 2006)
Language: English
ISBN-10: 1595550631
ISBN-13: 978-1595550637

LOVING NATALEE
A MOTHER'S TESTAMENT OF HOPE AND FAITH

By Beth Holloway

ISBN: 9780061452277
ISBN10: 0061452270
Imprint: HarperOne
On Sale: 10/2/2007

 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 27, 2010, 02:42:12 PM
http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/24764-homber-tur-na-sanger-no-kier-bisa-ta-ken-a-hinke-.html

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Papiamentu translation:

man all at blood does not tell is that owing to hink'e

saturday, 27 november 2010 13:47

saturday marduga owing to come come across cu one man all at blood throw near of caminda at height of the crusada driemasterstraat y arendsstraat. is resulta cu one or more person owing to hinca he at his neck. but past owing to deny of tell police that owing to hink'e y pakico. ambulance owing to hib'e hospitaal for ricibi tratamento medico. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 27, 2010, 02:53:11 PM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/24770-bob-harms-na-cabes-di-redaccion-di-bon-dia-aruba-.html

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bob harms at cabes of redaccion of good morning (Bon Dia) aruba

saturday, 27 november 2010 15:38

entrante diaranzon now day 1 of december, the conocido bob harms, cu till recien was vocero of dr. horacio oduber hospitaal, will become boss of redaccion of good morning (Bon Dia) aruba. harms is enter for ocupa one function cu for much year the cas editorial caribbean speed printers not owing to fill, but owing to opta more bien in one "coordinador of redaccion".

bob harms owing to study periodismo at tilburg (hulanda) y at corsou owing to ocupa several function in organisacionnan periodistico.

so for example past owing to work in redaccion of extra, amigoe, new, tele curacao y for much year also at radio hooyer. have to menciona cu bob harms owing to funciona also in departamento of prensa of gobierno antillean. some year happen past owing to muda cu his family for aruba, where past owing to acepta the funcion of vocero at hospital. near of his work because; vocero, the was write one columna in Ñapa (amigoe) y in la prensa. also bob harms have one declaration of policy radial in weekend in cual the is toca musica antillean y somontuno at regal fm. dicho declaration of policy owing to become very popular y is count ; cu one audiencia big.

bob harms now have one reto new, because; boss of redaccion of good morning aruba for take away the medio of comunicacion at the siguiene level. the will have to follow on the maneho various of good morning aruba, compara cu the another matutinonan local cu always owing to believe in the same director is boss of redaccion also. ehempel bibo is jossy mansur at daily paper, toko winklaar at today morning y edmond croes at sun of people. the corant good morning aruba owing to nace at year 1992 y the time ey toko winklaar was director y alavez boss of redaccion.

at year 2003 toko winklaar y the cas publisher of good morning aruba, esta the compania caribbean speed printers owing to break they relacion of work y winklaar owing to cuminsa cu his same corant "awe mainta". but at good morning aruba they never more owing to fill the funcion of boss of redaccion, but owing to employ the name of coordinador of redaccion y also "executive editor". more bien caribbean speed printers owing to believe more in one sistema in cual is separa redaccion of another departamentonan y because; such owing to busca one gerente general for follow maneha the plant, the departamento of throw, distribucion, etc.

by some month happen caribbean speed printers owing to break they relacion of work in form abrupt cu grace mary maduro, that was gerente general y now john chemaly jr. self owing to follow at timon of caribbean speed printers. one of his first decisionnan is for restructura the corant y in this owing to opta for haci usage of the conocimiento y experiencia of bob harms for maneha the redaccion. according majority encuesta, good morning aruba is the of two corant more read at aruba after of daily paper. is estima cu daily paper (Diario) his circulacion is at least two times (2x) more much cu of good morning aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 27, 2010, 03:04:27 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_81520.php

Google translation:

Risk of dengue epidemic continues

November 26, 2010, 24:46 (GMT -04:00)

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The number of dengue cases in one weeks time with 30 percent, they warn Health Minister Richard Visser (left) and an expert from PAHO Health.

ORANGE CITY - Since last week the reports of dengue has increased by nearly 30 percent. Moreover, the patients sicker than in previous years. Department of Public Health suggests that a press conference this morning. She continues to warn of an epidemic.

The reason the cases are more severe, because more than half the patients previously had dengue. Some have now even third time dengue. That says Maribel Tromp, Head of Epidemiology Department of Health. This leads to more hospitalizations and even patients who end up in intensive care.

Between October and November were 254 suspected cases of dengue reported in Infectious Diseases Department. Since last week, this number increased to 538. "Of 122 patients, dengue laboratory after officially adopted," said Tromp.

She indicated that these figures are not realistic enough. "We still get reports of dengue in later than desired, so we are starting behind the facts. Therefore, we urge physicians in particular to possible cases of dengue as soon as possible to report. If we have accurate figures available, we are able to get the right medications to order. Two weeks ago there were 80 applications within one week. We're setting up everything to avoid that in one weeks time, 100 reports in their diet. "According to Tromp got the government in 2008 and 2009 from 400 to 500 new registrations per week. The government also speaks of an epidemic of dengue cases in 1000 when they register.

Syringes
Yellow Fever Mosquito Control (GKMB) last week began spraying and told an employee at the press conference. They are currently working in North and Oranjestad. Near San Nicolas and Savaneta has been sprayed. Spraying is a last resort for the government against dengue epidemic. The eggs and larvae are not destroyed by the spray, only the adult dengue mosquitoes are thus slain. In order to ensure that no new mosquitoes added, breeding should be removed. During the press conference was again reiterated that all residents should ensure that by itself, around his own house.

PAHO
A specialist from the World Health Organization PAHO was this morning at the press conference. According to him, the Caribbean this year seriously affected by dengue. He talked about 100,000 cases of dengue across the Caribbean this year, while the normally around 20,000 cases. On Aruba it is relatively not too bad. According to the PAHO expert on Aruba is because this year has stayed pretty dry. "Only in the last two months is a lot of rain. You see the numbers of dengue in Aruba since dramatically increased. "


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 27, 2010, 03:08:08 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_81552.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Coast Guard intercepted more than 60 kilos of drugs

November 27, 2010, 11:43 (GMT -04:00)

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On board the fishing boat Colombian Katrina layers drugs. They were hidden in a hidden compartment.

ORANGE CITY - The Coast Guard in the Caribbean in collaboration with the Police Corps of Aruba (KPA) and the customs of an Aruba drugstransport intercepted. On board a fishing boat Colombian cocaine was 51.7 kg and 8.6 kg of marijuana were found. Six people were arrested.

The Colombian boat sailed under the name 'Katrina'. The vessel was en route from Colombia to Aruba. The Coast Guard took the boat that, based on information supplied by the international anti-drug organization JIATF-South. With the information was a boat from the Coast Guard stopped the Katrina when she entered the territorial waters of Aruba feed. The vessel was initially searched by Customs at Barcadera. Katrina was then transferred to the Coast Guard Savaneta foothold. Since the vessel was seized and was thoroughly searched. That research was done under the direction of the Public Prosecutor. During these searches drugs was found in a hidden compartment of the boat. The drugs were well hidden by the Coast Guard and it took over a while before the drugs were found. The drugs and the suspects are handed over to the Aruban authorities.

Combating illegal drug shipments by sea for both the Coast Guard and the Royal Navy one of the main tasks in the Caribbean. This fight takes place through international and local cooperation. The Aruban authorities have been trying for some years the growing crack down on drug trafficking. Last year, more than twice as many drug couriers caught, moreover, most of whom were drug smugglers. There were more people arrested (155 compared to 137) for drug offenses. In total, the police last year, 205 kilos of cocaine and 161 kilos of marijuana seized. Both types of drugs are by far the most popular, as confirmed by police figures in recent years.
The annual report of the Coast Guard last year show that last year 71.5 kilograms of cocaine and 84.9 kilograms of cannabis was seized. That was considerably less than in Curacao, where 513.2 kilograms of cocaine and 0.8 kilograms of heroin was intercepted and Bonaire, where the Coast Guard caught 412.5 pounds of cocaine. The latter was also a drug from the coast of Bonaire plane which crashed killing two were salvaged. Moreover, the number of significant amount of drugs seized over the previous year.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 27, 2010, 03:23:18 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_81520.php

Google translation:

Risk of dengue epidemic continues

November 26, 2010, 24:46 (GMT -04:00)

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The number of dengue cases in one weeks time with 30 percent, they warn Health Minister Richard Visser (left) and an expert from PAHO Health.

ORANGE CITY - Since last week the reports of dengue has increased by nearly 30 percent. Moreover, the patients sicker than in previous years. Department of Public Health suggests that a press conference this morning. She continues to warn of an epidemic.

The reason the cases are more severe, because more than half the patients previously had dengue. Some have now even third time dengue. That says Maribel Tromp, Head of Epidemiology Department of Health. This leads to more hospitalizations and even patients who end up in intensive care.

Between October and November were 254 suspected cases of dengue reported in Infectious Diseases Department. Since last week, this number increased to 538. "Of 122 patients, dengue laboratory after officially adopted," said Tromp.

She indicated that these figures are not realistic enough. "We still get reports of dengue in later than desired, so we are starting behind the facts. Therefore, we urge physicians in particular to possible cases of dengue as soon as possible to report. If we have accurate figures available, we are able to get the right medications to order. Two weeks ago there were 80 applications within one week. We're setting up everything to avoid that in one weeks time, 100 reports in their diet. "According to Tromp got the government in 2008 and 2009 from 400 to 500 new registrations per week. The government also speaks of an epidemic of dengue cases in 1000 when they register.

Syringes
Yellow Fever Mosquito Control (GKMB) last week began spraying and told an employee at the press conference. They are currently working in North and Oranjestad. Near San Nicolas and Savaneta has been sprayed. Spraying is a last resort for the government against dengue epidemic. The eggs and larvae are not destroyed by the spray, only the adult dengue mosquitoes are thus slain. In order to ensure that no new mosquitoes added, breeding should be removed. During the press conference was again reiterated that all residents should ensure that by itself, around his own house.

PAHO
A specialist from the World Health Organization PAHO was this morning at the press conference. According to him, the Caribbean this year seriously affected by dengue. He talked about 100,000 cases of dengue across the Caribbean this year, while the normally around 20,000 cases. On Aruba it is relatively not too bad. According to the PAHO expert on Aruba is because this year has stayed pretty dry. "Only in the last two months is a lot of rain. You see the numbers of dengue in Aruba since dramatically increased. "

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/24752-casonan-di-dengue-na-aruba-ta-subiendo-pa-siman-.html

Papiamentu translation:

casonan of dengue at aruba is subiendo for week

friday, 26 november 2010 20:11

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the cantidad of casonan of dengue confirma at aruba is conociendo one aumento espantoso. sra. maribel tromp, boss of departamento of epimedologia y investigacion at departamento of salubridad publico owing to give of conoce cu for of week happen end aruba is in one estado of alerta for epidemia of dengue.

for of week happen for now, aruba owing to conoce one aumento of casi 30% of notificacionnan of the casonan of dengue. the casonan of dengue is birando day for day more y for week the cantidad of casonan is bay is redoblando. for of the overall of casonan registra, all week is count ; one cantidad of cuarenta caso new y if have to take six week happen till cu now here cu is bezig is monitor the situation of close, have one overall of 538 casonan notifica y 122 cu is confirma because; dengue. the others is clinicamente confirma esey kiermen cu the person have the sintomanan of dengue but is depende hour cu blood wordo take cu if the is leave positive or not.

is haci one call at the dokternan of cas y specialistanan cu is come across casonan of dengue for can please notifica at time y completo. actualmente the cantidad of casonan do not show high but esey is debi cu departamento of salubridad publico is ricibi they late y is cause cu is find one view not realistico of the situation. the cantidad of casonan cu owing to ricibi aid medico is more severo compara cu añanan anterior, this is debi cu the personanan owing to find dengue one or two trip end y is manifestando now here sintoma of hemoragia. for of the casonan cu have registra at the momentonan here more cu 50% owing to experencia one or more infeccion of dengue end.

in one week of time the cantidad of pashentnan hospitalis owing to aumenta cu 6 caso in one week of time y also casonan severo cu is wordo take at hospital. casonan more important have consecuencia much big for one person debi cu the can conduci till at dead. departamento of salubridad publico wanted evita mortonan in caso of dengue.

Maribel Tromp
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 27, 2010, 03:36:30 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_81548.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

"Officials ATA back to Aruba in April '

November 27, 2010, 11:43 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Two officials working in the Netherlands for the department of tourism agency ATA must return to Aruba in April. That makes Tourism Minister Otmar Oduber (AVP) is known.

One of the two officials Oduber Charles, brother of former Prime Minister Nelson Oduber. Together with the other officer, he was recalled last year to Aruba because they would not perform. Then they exerted a lawsuit, which by Tourism Minister Oduber won.

According to the law governing the rights and obligations of civil servants is regulated (LMA), the government officials ployer bring it back. The two officers who Aruba House in The Hague professionals should return next April.

Moreover, they must re-apply because ATA tourist office is privatized and merged with Aruba Cruise Tourism (ACT) to the new ATA Sui Generis'. As this newspaper reported earlier, all officials and ATA ACT re-apply for a position in the new organization. Whoever is not adopted, will still have a year to an equal value function within the government to find. Failing that, there is a transitional arrangement whereby the officer three years while maintaining most of his salary can look for a job outside the government.



http://ata.aruba.com/jobs

Job Listing

Executive Assistant
HR and Change Manager
HR Assistant
Internal Control Associate

CMO
Marketing Assistant
Branding and Advertising Specialist
Digital Marketing Specialist
PR & Corporate Communications Specialist
Cruise and Niche Marketing Manager
Visitor Care Liaison
Trade Relations Manager
Trade Relations Liaison
ACB Conferences & Events Liaison
ACB Conferences & Events Assistant
Area Director
Management Assistant
Sales & Marketing Coordinator
Sales Representation

Manager Strategy, Planning & Research
Product & Research Specialist
Database Supervisor
Database Input Assistant

CFO
Chief Accounting
Accounting Clerk
IT / Facilities Officer
Receptionist
Payroll Assistant


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 27, 2010, 04:00:43 PM
English version:

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_81537.php

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 27, 2010, 06:18:44 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Father of three young sons killed, mother seriously injured by drunk driver (no mention of the drugs reportedly found in his truck too!), punishment is one year and three months in jail...and he loses his license for two years. 

http://www.diario.aw/2010/11/homber-cu-a-causa-accidente-tumando-bida-di-un-turista-canades-a-haya-1-ana-y-3-luna-di-castigo/

man cu owing to cause accidente tumando life of one tourist canades, owing to achieve 1 year y 3 month of castigo

publication: saturday, 27 november 2010. categoria: general

oranjestad(aan): jairo c.g owing to present fast of huez diabierna for listen veredicto of huez in his caso. j.g owing to wordo acusa of owing to cause one accidente while cu the was bao of influencia of alcohol, cu did take life of person. was one pareha canades cu the achieve his self in the accidente cu j.g, hour cu they owing to descend for of barco crusero y owing to huur one quadracer. huez owing to indica cu the pruebanan is cla y is show cu j.g was bao of influencia of alcohol y hour cu past owing to achieve one discusion in car past owing to core duro bay, without as cuenta cu the mature cu caminda was wet. according huez, at aruba everybody know cu hour caminda is wet, have to teen much cuidao. sinembargo j.g bao of influencia owing to core bay another near of caminda y owing to strike cu his car in the quadracer on cual was have two tourist. he owing to fayece y the muher owing to achieve heridanan earnest, for cual still the is wordo deal at his country. huez owing to dicidi of give the acusado one castigo incondicional of 1 year y 3 month, while cu the is lose his rijbewijs for 2 year y mey.

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http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/thestar/obituary.aspx?n=frederick-thomas-norman-tom&pid=142116000

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http://www.educationforthedrivingmasses.com/2010/04/london-family-shattered-by-death-of-tom.html

Friday, April 30, 2010
London family shattered by death of Tom Norman in Aruba
Source: London Free Press

ONTARIO - Tom Norman's identical twin brother Tim won't see the young boys yet.

He looks so much like Tom, the boys might get confused if he walks through the doors and into their house. Is daddy home? they might wonder. The twin brother can't take that risk, because daddy's not coming home. Ever.

Daddy -- Tom Norman -- was killed by a drunk driver in Aruba on April 16.

As his closeknit family, horribly injured wife Christine, and his many London friends mourn his loss, they are doing all they can to protect his sons. Cole, 6, understands what happened a bit. Trent, 4, a little less. Reed, 2, saw a photograph of his dad and his dad's twin brother the other day and said. "Two daddies."

So the twin brother, Tim Norman, stays away.

"He is a little bit worried about seeing them the first time," sister Kelley Norman says. "He doesn't want to confuse them. We're just not sure." Unsure as well of the boys' financial future, the family has just set up a trust fund for them.

Tom Norman was a test pilot at Diamond Aircraft and could get only minimal insurance because he was in a high-risk career, Kelley said. His wife Christine was working part-time and going to Fanshawe College before the crash that took her husband's life and smashed her legs and pelvis.

"She is pretty shattered," Kelley said. "She is in emotional and physical pain." Kelley is one of five Norman siblings with deep roots in London. She and her sisters, Tracy and Kristie, came first. Then came the twin boys, Tom and Tim.

"They were fabulous. They were terrible," Kelley recalls with a laugh. "Mom had a repeater plan at the hospital. They were there so often getting stitches or something."

The boys did everything with each other and to each other. They tried to put each other in the dryer and set it on spin. They proudly came into the family home on Lynngate Place one day and announced to their mother, "We finally broke every window in the garage."

An adventurous boy, Tom became a pilot as an adult. Along the way, he met Christine, a waiter at the bar his father owned across the road from Fanshawe College, Carey's Pub. His twin, Tim, met his wife, Stephanie, also a waiter at the pub.

Tom got a job at Diamond Aircraft, where as flightline supervisor he tested aircraft and did orientation flights for customers. About two years ago, Tom surprised Christine with a cruise vacation. But the couple learned she was pregnant with their third child, and delayed their plans.

This spring, they boarded the Caribbean Princess for their first vacation together.

Tom was like a little kid, Christine told the family after the crash. "He was so excited,' Kelley said. "He was roaming all over the ship, saying 'This is the life. This is the life.' They were just having a ball."

Four days into the cruise, the ship stopped in Aruba and the couple rented an ATV.

"They didn't even get out of the parking lot," Kelley said. A pickup truck hit them head on. Tom was killed instantly and Christine was thrown over the front of the truck. Aruba news reports state the driver of the truck was drunk and there were drugs in the truck. But the news reports also got Tom's name wrong, and the family is still waiting for the definitive word from Aruba police.

There is no mistaking, however, the impact of the crash.

"Christine is not doing well," Kelley said yesterday. The boys are afraid to visit the hospital and see their mother so injured. She had to lie helpless while others arranged for her husband's body to come home.

"Christine is devastated because Tom had so many plans for the boys," Kelley said. He had already taken them camping and started them skating. This weekend, the older two boys will start soccer. Tom had registered them before he left for the cruise.

"Anyone who ever knew Tom is devastated for these little boys," Kelley said.

"He will never walk back through the door and take them in his arms."

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http://www.normanfamily.ca/

May 18th, 2010

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http://www.normanfamily.ca/

May 30, 2010

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I then speak to Tom’s mom Sally…she tells me something that just breaks my heart…that when she goes to their house in St. Thomas, she will go in to the coat closet, and smell Tom’s coat, as it still smells like him…I lost it…as what an incredible hole this person, this drunk driver has placed on everyone!

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http://soonews.ca/viewarticle.php?id=26370

Recreating A Future For The Norman Family

Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 1:12PM   

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Details of the Tragedy

On April 16th, Tom and Christine Norman were vacationing in Aruba . They had just rented an ATV and before they had even left the parking lot, a truck driven by a drunk driver rounded the corner and hit them head on. Tom was killed instantly and Chris suffered serious injuries including a fractured hip and crushed pelvis.

Christine was airlifted back to Ontario where she has undergone extensive reconstruction surgery. She will be hospitalized for another few months and will require a hip replacement sometime in the future. It is not certain when Christine will be able to care for the boys on her own.

The truck driver was arrested but as it was a vehicle accident in a foreign country, the Canadian government will not get involved.

Tom was the supervisor of flightline and test flights at Diamond Aircraft in London ON . Because of Tom's career, he could not obtain life insurance. Christine worked part-time as an interior decorator.

The Norman family live in St. Thomas , but Tom and Christine (nee Payne) are well known in the Sault and St. Joseph 's Island where Christine and her brother Kalin Payne were raised. Christine 's mother Justine Howes and her father John Payne continue to live in the area.

Mike and Justine Howes (aka Nanny and Bubba) of Pte. Louise in the Sault were in St. Thomas babysitting their 3 precious grandsons when they received the news of the tragic accident and Tom's death. Currently the boys are being cared for by members from Chris and Tom's extended families in their own St. Thomas home.

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http://www.normanfamily.ca/

June 29th, 2010

Please join the Norman family for a tribute to Tom July 24, 2010

Now that Christine is out of the hospital, there is going to be a wonderful event to remember one of the most amazing men that there ever was…

The family wants to hold a tribute to Tom, and if you knew Tom, or would just like to pay your respects to the family, you are most welcome to join them for the tribute to his life, and for the family to be able to say goodbye together…

Date: Saturday, July 24th 2010

Time: 1:30 pm

Where: Diamond Aircraft Industries Inc.*
1560 Crumlin Sideroad,
London, Ontario, Canada N5V 1S2

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http://www.normanfamily.ca/?p=15#comments

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kelly says:
august 6th, 2010 saat: 5:27 am
hi christine
my son connor sat beside you and i sat beside tom on the bus to the cruise ship. i think about you quite often and wonder how you are doing. i have been reading online how you are coming along.
connor & i attended your sister-in-laws memorial for tom and i just want to say i was so overwhelmed by the love and welcoming shown to connor & myself – you have such an amazing family.
i wish i was part of your family and could do more for you, just know that you and your boys are thought of and will always be in my prayers.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AA6Ajw069Lg

blueslover55 | August 15, 2010 | 2 likes, 0 dislikes
In April 2010, Tom Norman was killed in an accident while vacationing in Aruba. His wife Christine was badly injured in the same accident. The motorcycling community in St Thomas/London got together to raise funds to assist Christine and her boys (Cole, Trent & Reed).

All in all, we were able to collect about $3,000 to help out the family.

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http://www.aruba.com/forum/f7/assisting-family-victim-atv-accident-45556/index2.html

05-25-2010, 10:08 AM      #14 (PERMALINK)
DushiHeidi
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 287
The actual biggest strike of all in this whole thing is it being under dutch law. The guy that killed him will be walking on the streets one day. Its terrible.

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My guess would be that he'll be out doing the same thing before the first anniversary of Tom Norman's death.

Justice?  I don't think so!   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

JMO



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 27, 2010, 06:50:14 PM
Christine Norman and her boys at the Benefit Ride for their family

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 27, 2010, 07:25:48 PM
http://www.saregion16.com/db_uploads/Sally_Norman_with_her_son_Tom.doc

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ARUBA, Friday, 16 April 2010
 
Tom and Christine Norman had been married about 6 years when Tom surprised his wife with a cruise vacation - their first ever since they had met about 10 years previously.  Unfortunately but happily, their vacation was to be postponed another 2 years when Chris found out that they were expecting their 3rd child, Reed.
 
Tom was like an excited kid; running around the ship, marveling at the extensive buffets and all the activities, and just spending some well deserved time with his lovely wife.  They dressed up, dined and danced like a honeymoon couple.

Four days into the cruise, the ship docked at Aruba, where Tom and Chris disembarked to spend a few hours touring around the island.  They had just rented an ATV and were about to depart the rental lot when a brand new Dodge Ram pickup careened into them, head on.  The couple never saw it coming.  From all reports, Tom was killed instantly.  The force of the impact sent Christine over the front of the truck where she landed unconscious in a heap, her pelvis and leg shattered.
 
As the investigation unfolded, it was learned that the driver of the truck was drunk and had lost control of the vehicle.  The local newspaper reported  that drugs were found in the ashtray. After 3 days, Christine was airlifted back to London, Ontario where she remains in hospital, having undergone extensive reconstructive surgery to extract her leg from up inside her abdominal cavity and rebuild her destroyed knee and pelvis.  No one knows how she ever avoided internal damage to her organs.  Her family and friends are thanking God for sparing her life so that one day she can return to her boys.  Her emotional pain is all-consuming.  She has lost her lover and best friend, and the father of their children.
 
It's a heartbreaking tragedy that her youngest son won't remember what a wonderful father Tom was.  His older boys, Trent 4, and Cole, 6, have more of an understanding of what's happened, but anyone who ever knew Tom is devastated for these little boys, who will never walk back through the door and take them in his arms.
 
The man who killed Tom and shattered the lives of Christine and the boys is currently in prison for a minimum of 4 years.  His name is JAIRO GEERMAN and he is 30 years old.  He is a repeat DUI offender and the family has learned that, at the time of the accident, he was having an argument with a woman who was with him in the vehicle, not his wife.  He was previously employed at the airport, but was fired after having called in sick that day.

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 ::MonkeyNoNo:: I don't know where they got that information, but he won't serve anywhere near four years.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 27, 2010, 09:50:58 PM
Human bones washing up on the beach is good for tourism?  Really?   ::MonkeyQuestion::

And all that BS is on the same page with the story of an American drowning while in Aruba!   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=2

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Papiamentu translation:

minister of turism y transporte otmar oduber
publicacion encuanto holloway not have none efecto on industry of turism of aruba


oranjestad – during ultimo dianan here, once more aruba was in publicidad at merca. is deal of caso of the child muhe perdi, cu is hayando enough atencion. of acuerdo cu minister of turism, the publicidad here not have efecto on aruba his turism. more bien, the will help aruba, for recorda esnan cu owing to forget one rato on aruba. the mandatario do not achieve necesario for defende aruba in the momentonan here, pear if did take some accion.

“e caso here is corda esnan cu owing to forget one rato on aruba, cu aruba t’ey” so the mandatario owing to cuminsa at tell. the imagen cu aruba have at merca actualmente not can stay dana. the propraganda at negative cu have actualmente do not haciendo nengun efecto. the titular of turism y transporte is believe cu turism is stay one business sensitivo. but aruba is stabiel stop in the mercadonan cu the is promocionando his self. is so cu office of turism of aruba is stay monitor the situation for cos not sitting-room for of hand. at the instant here is see cu the consecuencia of the informacion they on caso of the child muhe perdi not have efecto on aruba. the consecuencia is very minimo compara cu pasado. gobierno owing to give one notificacion of thing owing to sosode. this is take luga can medio of ministerio publico. this is one palabracion cu have cu the autoridadnan local cu all informacion is leave of om. also the notifica the same hendenan cu is work at office they of turism of aruba in exterior also. this for they're at height of thing is pasando. also owing to informa they of thing is the result of the investigacion. the informacionnan here not owing to bay for publico. behold not owing to feel none efecto negativeo on the asunto here.

the publicacionnan not owing to percura for none cancelacion y niether none preocupacion. cifranan of office of turism of aruba is show much good. september, october, y december is super good. november is bay is one month equal cu ana happen. for january y feburary have good pronosticonan. minister owing to indica cu they're on good caminda for cu the industry of turism. in parliament have some reto cu have to resolve for thing is deal the obligacionnan of mercadeo of another ana, for evita cu the have one efecto negative for another ana.

the titular of turism y transporte is of conviccion cu aruba is bayendo in good direccion. cualkier informacion cu leave of aruba internacionalmente will contribui at promociona the island. the mandatario is assure cu they're help at corda world cu aruba is existi. gobierno of aruba is percura if for analisa all informacion cu is leave, y if is necesario atende the asuntonan here, will hacie at his debido time. come across



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 27, 2010, 09:58:43 PM
This is just a couple other reports of tourist drownings at Baby Beach this year, note in one of the comments the writer asked if there had been 4?  And another asked about putting up warning signs.

There have been other drownings at other beaches also. 

http://httwww.boletinextra.com/index.php/local-news/4142-turista-mericano-a-hoga-na-baby-beach.html

tourist mericano owing to hoga at baby beach

tuesday, 19 october 2010 19:33 3 comments

tuesday in oranan of nightfall owing to enter informe of one caso of hogamento at baby beach caminda here one are of person owing to trece one curpa without life at ground here of trip owing to despacha unidadnan concerni at the sitio. at arrival is come across cu he of edad naci at merca 13-09-1952 bao of the name robert b. caminda the was sambuyando y have to owing to confronta problem bao of lama y owing to hoga, at the sitio his wife was tey y also owing to constata dead of his defunto husband.

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#2 sandriman,a 2010-10-20 09:30
is cuanto (4) person owing to die hoga at baby beach? if my do not here is much, y if is so have to cada time make one ofesco of flower for her almanan! the door one bijgeloof but have tell cu almanan ranca is follow ranca. take the day of yesterday esta october 19 y all anja arriba the date ey ofrece one flower at the sea for her difunto they! paz at they remainder they. quote +4

#1 mr aruba. 2010-10-20 08:24
is cada rato have hogamento of tourist at the sitio here cu is sea keto y seco but is hour they leave of the mouth they're hoga;;; why do not place ad of the danger of corriente strong come across? eybow come across?



http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/18672-posibel-caso-di-hogamento-na-baby-beach.html

tourist is hoga at baby beach

monday, 14 june 2010 15:21

at the momentonan here we owing to end of ricibi informe cu evictìma iche liu huang nasi at taiwan 20 december 1966 kedando at marriot hotel owing to fayece. dr woy loy sing come across.a constata dead 4or y 12 owing to cause of hogamento. slachtofferhulp is yudando the famianan. the was companja for his husband y two yiunan. paz at his restonan. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on November 27, 2010, 10:08:28 PM
Christine Norman and her boys at the Benefit Ride for their family

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/FrederickThomasNorman_killedbydrunkdriverinAruba041620104.jpg)

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http://i986.photobucket.com/albums/ae343/BluesLover60/Norman%20Family%20Benefit%20Ride/41041_1522056220940_1520618595_1615787_4865887_n.jpg


Such a sad story, TM.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 27, 2010, 10:46:57 PM
http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=2

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Papiamentu translation:

among one cambio cu ministerio publico will aplica according taco stein
in future will averigua at aruba self if one bone achieve, is one procedente of one being human first cu continue cu the investigacion y mande afor


oranjestad – after of the “circo” recien rondo the bone achieve on beach, ministerio publico owing to dicidi cu they will go actua various for evita situacionnan equal. they're conciente cu this will can crea one situation where cu can culpa they of do not actuando equal y cu same measure as the form con they owing to actua the week cu owing to happen. but according advocate general taco stein, ministerio publico not can afford for inverti so much coin again without cu have have to in one caso. that do not less afor cu all caso is important.

the form for evita cu one another future tourist can haci same y culpa ministerio publico of do not “fair”, is simplemente door of splica the tourist the procedura, y con they will actua in this. because; such the tourist will can compronde cu all caso is important, but cu they will deal they of such form cu the is wordo miho atendi without cu will crea one circus of media without cu have necesidad. this because cada actuacion so also is crea frustracion for her family of the person cu is relaciona cu the caso here.

in the caso particular here, is the family of natalee holloway have cu abide cada times cu resulta cu the caso is uno envano y cu was all one circus of media pornada. “pesei i am prefera cu the will was enberdad of holloway, for so the family at least is at peace cu the situation here y can close the capitulo aki” stein owing to follow tell.

of another near is contento cu one tourist owing to come fast y trece the bone. such algo civico of one ciudadano for trece his precupacion of algo cu the la achieve, cu can is algo.

the proceso con will actua in one future caso cu “bolbe” achieve one bone is various. will wanted evita cu can genera now one type of “turismo of weso” or one “turismo of desaster” where cu turistanan is probecha of the situation y is come cu one without end of obheto, keriendo cu the “por is algo of natalee holloway” y so busca they 15 minuut of fama internacional.

aworaki in future, will deal the caso various although cu the same importancia because cada caso merece his atencion. various is the trip here cu enves of core send one bone for exterior, will averigua at aruba self cu one patologo, if enberdad is deal of one bone human. if is determina cu the do not one bone human, do not follow cu the investigacion. simple. if the is, is continue cu the proceso.

if the bone pus is uno human, are you obliga for follow cu the investigacion. hour cu is deal of aberration, not have to tell the instant there cu owing to haci aberration. the trayectoria will not change. but is haci one another type of investigacion. stein is recorda cu is good for notice cu not had one caso so anteriormente. y in future will have again circumstancia cu is one caso high profile cu will become one circus of media. have casonan also of person cu owing to lose cu not owing to achieve atencion. does not tell if cu have casonan cu do not achieve atencion do not owrdo deal, y esunnan cu if achieve atencion, if is wordo deal. all caso is important according stein. cada caso is one drama y have to have atencion. for thing is the part publico, will deal this various. will not trece this in publicidad if none person know of dje yet.

if one tourist tell the hour cu is go compara his caso cu one another, is tell the tourist, con will go atende the caso y sigura the tourist cu the will achieve all atencion. the caso here owing to costa enough coin, y have cu see good first cu go back inverti the capital cu owing to haci in the caso here. in the caso here, as cu one caso have to wordo deal, have the asunto where cu one bone wordo achieve y the wordo entrega at police, the is become algo of husticia.

one bone so have to wordo deal also at once in one margen of evidencia. “no is so cu is immidiately coi one bone so y hinke in one saco of plestik y mande afo. in the caso here have to owing to transporta this cu two police for the netherlands, locula all owing to costa coin. y because; such for algo so go of the form there in future, have to have one siguransa cu enberdad is deal of one asunto cu can hustifica this. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 27, 2010, 10:49:03 PM
Christine Norman and her boys at the Benefit Ride for their family

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/FrederickThomasNorman_killedbydrunkdriverinAruba041620104.jpg)

http://i986.photobucket.com/albums/ae343/BluesLover60/Norman%20Family%20Benefit%20Ride/41041_1522056060936_1520618595_1615783_6195612_n.jpg

http://i986.photobucket.com/albums/ae343/BluesLover60/Norman%20Family%20Benefit%20Ride/41041_1522056220940_1520618595_1615787_4865887_n.jpg

Such a sad story, TM.

Yes it is so sad, and now they'll find out that Jairo Geerman will serve so little time!  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Rob on November 27, 2010, 10:58:45 PM
TM - I see the hogamento victim was Michael Hinton.

There was a Hinton involved with Bang Bus Inc - or the parent company in Florida. I think it should be in the archives if someone wants to check.

I think I have Hinton's photo in a bucket and that of his wife too, but I'll have to look later.

Maybe just a coincidence.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 27, 2010, 11:08:49 PM
http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6260&Itemid=1

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/11252010_Bondia_Duijneveld.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

owing to cuminsa deal caso penal contra advocate mr. duijneveld

thursday, 25 november 2010

mr. duijneveld

oranjestad - yesterday morning in sitting-room of corte owing to cuminsa cu tratamento of the caso penal cu ministerio publico owing to cuminsa for of year happen contra advocate mr. duijneveld. as good morning aruba owing to publica, mr. duijneveld, owing to apela the acusacionnan at corte superior caminda his colega mr. mohamed owing to wordo declara pound while cu the caso contra mr. duijneveld if is follow.

ministerio publico is acusa mr. duijneveld of actonan fraudulente for cu the asunto of bancarota of luis mansur. the is wordo sospecha of will owing to achieve cierto transaccionnan of coin without cu the curatornan was at height. yesterday morning the caso was more bien for listen the testigonan cu of near mr. emerencia cu owing to representa mr. duijneveld wanted owing to listen. among esnan cu owing to wordo listen was the curator van esh, vinck cu was envolvi in the bancarota of la cabana. in sitting-room of corte also was present brother of luis mansur, don mansur. also owing to listen sir michael williams y several another personanan cu will had of haci cu the compania of cobamento of sand of luis mansur.

after of owing to listen the testigonan here, at dado instant owing to dicidi cu is pospone tratamento because will wanted listen more witness of various country. owing to word cu will follow cu the interogacion day 10 of march 2011.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 27, 2010, 11:11:20 PM
TM - I see the hogamento victim was Michael Hinton.

There was a Hinton involved with Bang Bus Inc - or the parent company in Florida. I think it should be in the archives if someone wants to check.

I think I have Hinton's photo in a bucket and that of his wife too, but I'll have to look later.

Maybe just a coincidence.
::MonkeyEek::

Thanks Rob!   ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyShovel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on November 27, 2010, 11:28:34 PM
Navy helps intercept drugstransport Aruba
      - By Editor on 27/11/2010 @ 11:52
 
The Coast Guard, with help from the navy in the Caribbean Colombian fishing boat with over a hundred pounds of cocaine aboard intercepted. The drugs were hidden in a secret compartment, which they initially were not found. On board were six suspects arrested late Saturday Defence know.

The fishing boat named Katrina was earlier this week on its way from Colombia to Aruba. Based on information from an international drug organization in which the Navy also operates the boat was intercepted.

Customs at the port Aruban Barcadera initially could not find anything, so the boat was headed by the prosecution was thoroughly searched by a coastguard support to Marines barracks Savaneta. Then find the hidden compartment. There was 51.7 kilos of cocaine and 8.6 kilograms of marijuana hidden.Defence speaks of a "good example of international and local cooperation. The drugs and the suspects are handed over to local authorities in Aruba.

(http://i.fokzine.net/upload/10/11/101127_189816_novum.11-27-2010.0163_1290855057.jpg)More than fifty kilos of cocaine intercepted. (Photo: Reuters)


http://frontpage.fok.nl/nieuws/417234/1/1/50/marine-helpt-bij-onderscheppen-drugstransport-aruba.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 27, 2010, 11:57:44 PM
http://www.diario.aw/2010/11/antoni-gario-a-topa-e-mucha-muher-perdi-isabela-bennett-y-a-hibe-warda-di-polis/

(http://www.diario.aw/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/gario-226x300.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

antoni gario owing to come across the child muher perdi isabela bennett y owing to hibe keep of police

publication: saturday, 27 november 2010. categoria: general one aruban ehemplar

oranjestad (aan)* have to give the ciudadano antoni gario reconocemento at first lugar because; one person cu his curazon is at the lugar corecto y because; parent ehemplar the was preocupa cu desaparicion of the child muher. in this mirando cu the child muher owing to being perdi at san nicolas.

pesey the was super attentive for cualquier child muher d edad young cu the can see on caya. the was coriendo on the caminda of weg hill black for more or less 7:55 owing to.m. y dado instant past owing to look at one child muher is actua sospechoso.

hour the child muher of edad young dress in one camisa blanco y cu jeans color wine did take notice cu gario looking at the, eel owing to try of tapa his cara. past owing to cuminsa march lihe bay in direccion contrario y gario not owing to vacila y owing to bay cu his car y owing to deal of strobe for her follow march.

gario owing to descend for of his car y owing to as at his hand y owing to guia the child muher for his car. in car the child muher owing to admiti of is the child muher perdi y owing to give of conoce cu his name is isabela bennett.

on question of gario, that owing to haci one tremendo trabao without doubt, kico owing to happen cu isabela not owing to return his cas neither niether owing to acudi at lesnan of his school. at epb at san nicolas. isabela owing to contesta cu one gang of boy owing to hibe one caminda cu the not conoce, dus according the not can tell at where exactly past owing to worde take away.

do not conoci niether if is deal of one gang of student cu is bay epb or cu is deal of child hombernan cu is colga rond of school y cu do not haci mucho for life. isabela owing to cuminsa cry without stop hour cu gario owing to bise con all aruba is buscando the y cu his parents is abide much cu his desaparicion.

in one interview cu daily paper, gario owing to tell cu past owing to reconoce for his wowonan y also his nose already cu the potret of isabela owing to leave in all medio of comunicacion y past owing to become facil for reconoce. isabela owing to tell also cu the do not corda nothing kico can owing to sosode cune y here do not cla if past owing to worde drugs if or not or if past owing to worde abusa sexualmente if or not. isabela was much dirt, his pañanan dirt of sand y all descuida.

according gario the not owing to stay much cu isabela comokiera cu the trayetoria of maxi’s for keep of police is much cortico. cu the accion of gario here, past owing to alivia parents d isabela of follow abide for his desaparicion. isabela is in hand of police kendenan have the traba opa inteorge therefore asa that the gang of child hombernan here is cu mind maligno.

of part of daily paper we wanted felicita gario cu tremendo trabao y because; aruban past owing to demostra of help achieve the child muher y because; duty civico owing to entrege in hand of police. much good haci gario, keep it up!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854
Post by: Bearlyhere on November 28, 2010, 12:43:09 AM
MAY THIS THREAD SEE NATALEE HOME!!

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Case/Natalee-Home.gif)

I love this.  You can see Natalee as the shining star she always was and forever will be.  Thanks, CBB!



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/2010 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on November 28, 2010, 12:59:41 AM
I was somewhat taken back that this Canadian Monkey was not the only Monkey logged in this morning.  It was my understanding that ALL Americans are in the stores taking advantage of the Christmas sales.

 ::HelloKitty::

Janet




The present my son and I were receiving was given freely by our Lord.  It is the perfect weather and beautiful beaches here in America, with temperatures in the high 70s and low 80s.  Outside is where it is at for this American monkey, Janet.

 :sunny: :sunny: :sunny:



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 28, 2010, 02:51:33 AM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

and Stephany!
 
::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on November 28, 2010, 07:09:46 AM
'One DEADly Island' ...  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: sharon on November 28, 2010, 08:27:56 AM
TM - I see the hogamento victim was Michael Hinton.

There was a Hinton involved with Bang Bus Inc - or the parent company in Florida. I think it should be in the archives if someone wants to check.

I think I have Hinton's photo in a bucket and that of his wife too, but I'll have to look later.

Maybe just a coincidence.

Kristopher Hinson

http://www.babylon.com/definition/Bus/English

Bang Bus
Bang Bus is a reality porn website that is part of the Bang Bros network run by Kristopher Hinson and Penn Davis's company, Ox Ideas. The two are friends who attended the University of Florida . Greg Entner (known as "Sanchez" or "Dirty Sanchez") works for the company as a scene director and camera operator and has appeared in most Bang Bus episodes. The videos, mostly 45-90 minutes long, are shot by Entner in gonzo style and are also known for their humorous approach.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: sharon on November 28, 2010, 08:48:21 AM
For our new monkeys........and a reminder for all........the reporting of the Police investigation June 5, 2005  ::MonkeyMad::


http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/05/natalee-holloway-update-sunday-june-5/


Natalee Holloway, Update Sunday June 5
(Friends and family are invited to share or email us with any stories or accounts that you wish us to post. Our thoughts and prayers go out for Natalee Holloway and her family. )
1:00 am EDT According to CNN case being handled as a criminal investigation.

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CNN) — Aruba police are treating the case of a missing Alabama high school graduate as a criminal investigation but still hope she will be found unharmed, a police spokesman said Saturday night. Natalee Holloway, 18, was on a senior trip with classmates when she went missing nearly a week ago. Rudie Soemers, night watch commander, said the effort to find her became a criminal case two days after her disappearance. The woman from the affluent Birmingham suburb of Mountain Brook was last seen leaving a nightclub called Carlos ‘n’ Charlie’s in the town of Oranjestad.

8:30 EDT The AP is reporting that 2 New People have Been Detained

SAN NICOLAS, Aruba (AP) - Authorities detained two men Sunday in connection with the disappearance of an Alabama teenager, who went missing nearly a week ago in Aruba while on a high school senior trip, the attorney general said.

Attorney General Caren Janssen called the men “suspects,” but declined to provide further details. They were not part of the group of three men who said they dropped off 18-year-old Natalee Holloway at the Holiday Inn in the early morning hours of May 30.

Police officers and three FBI agents, who are playing a supportive role in the investigation, took the two men into custody at two different houses in the southeastern town of San Nicolas, according to an AP photographer at the scene.

Police knocked on the door of one house, put the suspect on the floor and handcuffed him. Officers later detained a second man. They were both led to an unmarked police car and taken away.

Neighbors described the men as security guards who worked at a hotel closed down for renovation near where the blonde honors student was staying. Police and FBI agents searched the renovated hotel on Saturday.

An official close to the investigation, speaking on condition of anonymity, has said the three other men who are not suspects - legal Aruban residents between the ages of 18 and 25 - told police they had taken Holloway to Arashi beach on the northwestern tip of Aruba before dropping her off at the hotel.

10:00AM EDT

Video from MSNBC on the arrest of two suspects. (MSNBC hinting at recovery effort but unconfirmed.)

CNN Two men arrested not apart of original 3 men questioned.

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CNN) — Police have detained two men in connection with the disappearance of missing Alabama high school graduate, the Oranjestad police chief said Sunday morning.

Chief Jan van Strantan said the two men are security guards at the Hotel Allegro near the Holiday Inn where Natalee Holloway was staying.

“They have been arrested as a result of investigations against them,” he said, although he would not say if they have been accused of a crime.

Aruba is a Dutch protectorate, and under Dutch law, police are not required to charge suspects immediately on arrest.
Oranjestad police and FBI agents detained the two men in separate operations at their homes about 7 a.m., police said.

The men, ages 28 and 30, were not among the three men in whose company Holloway was last seen.

Police also took three cars for “further technical investigation,” chief prosecutor Karen Janssen told CNN.

Police still are interrogating the men, she added. Janssen said could not give details about the questioning because the investigation was ongoing and other people might be arrested.

The men were seen leaving their respective houses calmly and without resistance. Police were seen later carrying bags out of the house.

10:15 AM EDT AP: Investigators seized three cars to conducting forensic tests on them.

SAN NICOLAS, Aruba - Authorities in Aruba detained two men Sunday in connection with the disappearance of an Alabama teenager, who went missing nearly a week ago while on a high school graduation trip, the attorney general said.

Caren Janssen called the men “suspects” in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, 18, but declined to provide further details. The men, who were not among the three described Saturday by police as “persons of interest,” were being interrogated Sunday morning.

Investigators also seized three cars and were conducting forensic tests on them, Janssen said.

“We are at this moment right in the middle of the investigation,” Janssen later told CNN. “There may be others involved. I can’t tell you the details why they are suspects. That would be damaging” to the investigation.
She would not say whether the suspects had provided information about Holloway’s whereabouts. A reward of about $50,000 is being offered for her safe return.

“We are continuing the search for the missing girl,” Janssen said.

11:30 AM EDT Clarion Ledger, “Teenager missing in Aruba careful, dependable, according to family”

It just goes to show you that one needs to be careful all the time. Especially when you are in foreign countries. There are bad things and bad people everywhere; please teenager (all for that matter) be careful and think. Just because nothing has ever happened to you in the past when you take chances does not make it safe.

Already a world traveler at 18, Natalee Holloway is nothing if not careful and dependable, relatives say. That’s why friends knew something was wrong when she failed to show up for the flight home to Alabama after a senior trip to Aruba.

“Natalee being late is a tipoff,” aunt Marcia Twitty said Saturday.

Now Holloway — with sparkling eyes, long blond hair, a dancer’s legs and a heart for service — is the focus of an all-out search in an island paradise just off the coast of Venezuela.

Back home, dozens of Holloway’s friends and classmates attended an afternoon prayer vigil Saturday. Stores are selling out of yellow ribbon as residents put bows on trees, mailboxes and doors all over Mountain Brook.

“The entire community is very concerned and very much in prayer,” said longtime city manager Sam Gaston.

Holloway, a Mississippi native, was known as a top student and tireless worker at Mountain Brook High School, where she graduated last month before leaving for Aruba with 124 other seniors. Twitty said seven adults went along as chaperone’s.

Holloway was in the National Honor Society, studied Spanish and was a member of American Field Service, which works with foreign exchange students. Her participation may have been a reflection of her travels, which Twitty said included trips to Europe, Canada and some cruises.

I have many personal accounts with the island of Aruba as I first went there 33 years ago. I dated an Aruban girl when I was in high school/college when I was the same age as Natalee. The difference being that the girl I dated had protective parents and her relatives on the island were a who’s who in Aruban government. It was also a more tranquil time back then as Aruba had not gotten to the glut of hotel expansion. The expansion of hotels and tourism meant that Aruba had to import help from many different countries and not just rely on Arubans. This is the biggest difference in the Aruba I used to know to the one that exits today.

Please kids, just be safe. I cannot reiterate using the buddy system when you are on vacation. Think first and pray for her safe return.

June 5th, 2005 at 08:42am Posted by Scared Monkeys | Natalee Holloway | 21 comments


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/2010 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 28, 2010, 11:49:54 AM
I was somewhat taken back that this Canadian Monkey was not the only Monkey logged in this morning.  It was my understanding that ALL Americans are in the stores taking advantage of the Christmas sales.

 ::HelloKitty::

Janet




The present my son and I were receiving was given freely by our Lord.  It is the perfect weather and beautiful beaches here in America, with temperatures in the high 70s and low 80s.  Outside is where it is at for this American monkey, Janet.

 :sunny: :sunny: :sunny:



Bearly ... I am jealous.  For the past couple of weeks we have have had freezing temperatures ... snow and ... now rain.  It is an effort to leave my toasty warm home.   

Hubby made a comment yesterday about the two of us taking off to a warmer climate for Christmas next year.  I responded by telling him that Christmas would not come if there was no snow or rain.

Have a good Sunday Monkeys

Janet
8:50 AM

 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 28, 2010, 12:16:42 PM
Thanks Sharon.

The articles you posted reveal that the investigators determine early on that the disappearance of Natalee is a criminal case.  The security guards are arrested ... not the three who lied regarding their last moments with Natalee Holloway.

Have a good day Sharon.

I am off.

Janet
9:15 AM PT

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The Definition of Frustration!

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Dec. 5th
updated 6:18 a.m. PT, Tues., Dec. 6, 2005


BETH TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: ... Remember, within the first 24 hours, we knew who the suspects were. We knew the persons that Natalee were taken from Carlos and Charlie‘s. We knew the license plate of the gray Honda they placed her in. We knew the condition that Natalee was in. We knew the behavior or the conduct in which they engaged in with Natalee.

And then not only that, Jane, within 72 hours, we knew that their first story was totally fabricated, that within the first 72 hours, I faced a room of 12 -- at least 12 detectives, Aruban and Dutch detectives, and a lead detective, Dennis Jacobs (ph), and they knew after we reviewed video footage from the Holiday Inn casino lobby that my daughter had never been brought back to the Holiday Inn. They knew that those suspects were fabricating a story from day one.

Well, Jane, something that the family knew—and we have to keep reminding everyone—after 72 hours -- 72 hours—we knew definitively that these suspects were not telling the truth. We knew that my daughter had never been brought back to the Holiday Inn. Of course we were becoming frustrated. Who wouldn‘t, at this point? You know, we—and what was so unbelievable about this, is they knew this information and still chose to pursue the two security guards on June the 5th.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10348437/


'Scarborough Country' for Oct. 21st
updated 10/23/2005 4:46:55 PM ET


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: They never—they never wanted to implicate these three young men.  They never wanted to implicate them from the beginning. ....

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9796403/from/RL.2/


Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway
 
Page 120:
  Natalee never returned to the Holiday Inn. We had seen the tapes with a room full of police officials.  These two security guards also do not appear on the Holiday Inn security videos that we were shown.  So why these arrests?  Islanders are outraged.  And so are we.  It’s blatant discrimination.




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 28, 2010, 12:31:32 PM
Another shooting last night.  At the nightclub 7 West, a 20 year old innocent bystander was shot in the hip/behind.

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/24778-bala-a-alcansa-hoben-na-weststraat.html

Papiamentu translation:

young throw at his behind in marduga

sunday, 28 november 2010 04:57

diadomingo marduga one young of inicial e. p. owing to ricibi one ball in his behind fast the club nocturno 7 west (ex bahia) situa in weststraat. apparently one another young will have to owing to throw cu one arm of candela y for mala suerte the proyectil owing to alcansa the young the.p.. the young of alrededor of 20 year of edad owing to wordo transporta for hospital for tratamento medico. the tiroteo owing to surgi during one action cu owing to cuminsa at entrance of 7west y owing to bay end abroad of the club nocturno.

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=5448&offId=0&offDate=2010-11

Papiamentu translation:

9 hora happen | fecha: 28/11/2010 | horario: 04:27

police owing to bay near of 7west for one caso of tiramento cu arm of candela, young inocente owing to ricibi tiro at his heup

diadomingo madruga owing to enter informe of one caso of tiramento cu arm of candela near of 7west in weststraat, at once owing to dirigi tanto police because; ambulance at the sitio. at arrival of the patrol mirando the conmocion they owing to solicita refuerzo of more patrol. at the sitio owing to encontra cu the young f.m.h. of 20 year that was have one tiro at his heup near right, at arrival of ambulance at once owing to atende the victima y owing to transporte cu urgencia for hospital. investigacion haci at the sitio is cu was have one action among 2 person y esun cu owing to dispara owing to aim at on one is therefore. but the tiro owing to bay on h. police have all informacion for so bay captura the sospechoso. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 28, 2010, 01:46:57 PM
http://www.24ora.com/gallery.html

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Remember, according to Aitana's twitter page, it was finally her 17th! ::MonkeyWink::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8719.msg1260897#msg1260897

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8964.msg1265818#msg1265818

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: robots on November 28, 2010, 11:34:19 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: robots on November 28, 2010, 11:36:58 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 28, 2010, 11:37:14 PM
www.ARUBASUCKS.INFO



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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: robots on November 28, 2010, 11:40:27 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: robots on November 28, 2010, 11:49:26 PM
Aruba does suck.  so its true.  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 28, 2010, 11:55:30 PM
http://www.thestar.com/travel/caribbean/article/896848--canadian-gets-cooking-in-aruba#article

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/DouglassMarkus_CubasCookin11262010.jpg)

Canadian gets cooking in Aruba

Adrian Brijbassi
Toronto Star

ORANJESTAD, ARUBA — Douglass Markus has done what many of us who live in a cold climate dream about: Move to the Caribbean and live the life of an expat away from snow and shovels.

Markus, who is from Montreal, is the owner of Cuba’s Cookin’, a tiny restaurant in a circa 1877 building on a side street of Aruba’s capital. It’s away from the lights and the flashy restaurants, many of which are franchises of U.S.-based behemoths. The food, inspired by Markus’s love of Cubans, has a blend of spices and flavours that make for tasty dishes, including Ropa Vieja, a stringy serving of beef whose name means old clothes.

Cuba’s Cookin’, the only Aruba restaurant owned by a Canadian, is an intimate spot decorated with Cuban art from Markus’s personal collection. The chef is Cuban and so is the entertainer, a talented guitarist/singer named Ramon Riveron who plays Latin versions of classic rock songs like “Brown-Eyed Girl” and “Satisfaction”.

Markus’s primary business is as publisher of destination magazines that are available throughout the Caribbean. They’re the ones you’ll see in your hotel rooms with features on local life and listings for attractions, shopping and restaurants.

Despite the global recession and the sinking net revenues of many print publications, Markus says his stable of titles that include Aruba Nights has not fallen off over the past two years. “We have a good strategy,” he says. “We’ve been doing this for 27 years and know how to keep our costs in line.”

A lot of the editorial work for Markus’s publications is done in Montreal, but he needed to be in the Caribbean to convene with potential advertisers. Markus chose Aruba as his base 21 years ago because of its low crime rate and consistent weather.

He says there are 75 Canadians living in Aruba, the affluent Dutch island that has 103,000 residents and numerous vacation properties that cater primarily to Americans. Markus says he enjoys meeting Canadians who visit the island. He started Cuba’s Cookin’ as a place for him and his friends to gather.

“Things can get pretty lively in here sometimes,” he says.

What might surprise you is Markus is contemplating a return home. He usually visits Montreal four times a year and may go back full-time for the educational benefits of his 8-year-old son.

“I talk with one of the other Canadians who lives on the island here and we both say the same thing, Canada is the best country in the world,” Markus says. “You can see how other countries are and being in a place like this you get to learn about how other people who come here live and without a doubt Canada is the best place in the world to live.”

Just the facts

Cuba’s Cookin’: All entrees are less than $30 U.S. and most come with a delicious serving of plantains, black beans and rice.


http://www.isaruba.com/community/officers.html

Officers

2010-2011

President:

Vivienne Teunissen

1st Vice President:

Douglas Markus


Secretaries:

Treasurer:

Prakash Gupta

Niti Gupta

Why would he go from being on the board of community members for ISA to moving back to Canada full time for the educational benefits of his son....hmmmm

Could it have anything to do with?

http://www.isaruba.com/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/ISA/Anita_ISA_2010.jpg)

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Scary!   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 28, 2010, 11:56:50 PM
Aruba does suck.  so its true.  ::MonkeyDevil::

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Nana29 on November 28, 2010, 11:58:52 PM
anytime.   ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyKiss::


www.ARUBASUCKS.INFO



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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 29, 2010, 12:18:53 AM
Face to Face with Joran

Beth Holloway


Exerpts:

'If he thinks I've been pestering him for the past five years, he hasn't seen anything yet.'

'There is more to come … there is more to come.'

September, 2010

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 29, 2010, 12:59:10 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_81519.php

Google translation:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2025%20112010/11262010_Amigoe_DutchTroopsInAruba.jpg)


http://www.defpro.com/news/details/19981/?SID=b0d19933ceb5509b2edfeb97f4bf50e6

Netherlands threatened by Dutch weapons?

08:48 GMT, November 25, 2010

Four Italian-made frigates set out from the Venezuelan port city of Puerto Cabello in the middle of the night. They lead a fleet including amphibious landing craft and service ships, on their way to invade Aruba, Bonaire and Curaçao, three Caribbean islands forming part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands. A Dutch 'Falklands war' has begun.

This is a nightmare scenario that Dutch military planners must nonetheless take into account, given Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez's repeated threats over the last two years. Political leaders on the three islands downplay the threat, but Venezuela looms large, literally and figuratively, on the three islands. The closest, Aruba, lies just 27 kilometres off Venezuela's coast.

At the same time, the Dutch branch of a multinational company is equipping the Venezuelan navy with combat management systems and other guidance systems.

No violation

Lars Wormgoor, Dutch spokesman for Thales, which specialises in defence communication systems, says his company is equipping eight Spanish-made corvettes with sophisticated combat management systems. The ships will also be fitted with radio and electronic sensors for search and target tracking. The boats will become part of the Venezuelan navy, in a deal worth 250 million euro.

Mr Wormgoor says the contract with the Venezuelan navy is in line with Dutch government policy.

But researcher Frank Slijper from the Dutch organisation Campaign against the Weapons Trade (Campagne tegen Wapenhandel), says the Dutch government is violating its own guidelines:

"We've found that, in a lot of cases, the criteria under which the arms must be reviewed are not properly employed and that the regulations are sometimes used as a cover."

Empowering Chavez

Campaign against the Weapons Trade has released a report called 'Rhetoric or Restraint' detailing examples of countries throughout the European Union violating EU guidelines. The communal EU standpoint is that weapon deals should not threaten regional stability, nor should they come at the cost of social economic development.

In the case of Venezuela, Mr Slijper says, the contract awarded to Thales could threaten regional stability by elevating Venezuela's military capability above others in the region. But the sale also violates an even more fundamental principle: do not arm your potential enemies.

"It's a very strange situation because, in this case, the Netherlands is supplying weapons which could eventually be used against Dutch interests in the region."

Trusted partner

For its part, the Dutch Foreign Ministry is attempting to thread the needle. The Hague says it isn't allowing any new contracts with Venezuela, out of concern for the direction the country is taking. But it has allowed all existing contracts to proceed, in the interest of continuity. According to the ministry, "the government wants to be a trusted partner for the private sector."

This carefully-worded statement belies a reported difference of opinion over the approval of the Thales contract. Former Defense Minister Henk Kamp is reported to have advised against the sale, saying he feared Venezuela could pose a "Falkland conflict-type military threat to the security of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba."

Mr Kamp lost that domestic battle only to witness, a few years later, escalating threats from Venezuela.

Thales has also supplied similar information systems to the South Korean navy.

----
By John Tyler, Radio Netherlands Worldwide


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: billb's daughter on November 29, 2010, 01:22:18 AM
good evening Good Monkeys. I hope everyone had a wonderful ::MonkeyAngel:: Thanksgiving with family and friends... ::MonkeyAngel::
My Dad flew out from Texas, my oldest daughter flew out from Minnesota with her boyfriend, my youngest daughter came home from college, my middle daughter also came home before she starts her junior year at college, and our niece came over with her Marine husband and their two wonderful children for Thanksgiving....it does not get any better than that..... ::MonkeyAngel::
And so, with such hope and guarded expectations.... I was sooo disappointed for Beth, Dave, Jug, and Matt...
Puck aruba!!!!
BOYCOTT is all we have......The powers that are aruba, nl.......puck them all.......
My lisp is getting better..... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 29, 2010, 02:22:17 AM
http://photos.state.gov/libraries/curacao/5/2010/WEEKLY_News_111310.pdf

News Items and Public Crime Summary for Week Ending
November 13, 2010


snipped

Aruba – U.S. Tourism Declined In August

The Aruba Central Bank announced that the total of stay‐over tourists decreased by 2.6% in August 2010. The decline is predominantly attributed to the U.S.‐market (‐9.0%), but tourism from the Netherlands (-5.8%) and Colombia (-13.2%) also dropped compared to August 2009. Tourism from Brazil is booming. (Various media)

snipped

Aruba – TIEA Signed With UK
Aruba signed a Tax Information Exchange Agreement (TIEA) with the United Kingdom (UK) on Friday. TIEAs regulate a framework under which nations will exchange information on tax matters in order to prevent tax fraud, financing of terrorism and money laundering. (Various media)



http://photos.state.gov/libraries/curacao/5/2010/WEEKLY_News_110610.pdf

News Items and Public Crime Summary for Week Ending
November 6, 2010


snipped

Curacao\Aruba – U.S. FOL Plans to Stay on Successful Course

U.S. Forward Operating Location (USFOL) Commander LtCol Brian Bell said the USFOL will stay on its current course. He and U.S. Vice-Consul Winifred Hofstetter expect the U.S. government counter narcotics policy on Curacao and Aruba will not change in the coming years.

The USFOL has proven to be a success, but they said the U.S. State Department still has to officially confirm the 5-year USFOL agreement extension till 2016. The USFOL Commander applauded the excellent cooperation with Dutch Navy and local authorities. A combined counter narcotics approach is essential, because without the criminals get a “carte blanche” to operate.

The Joint Interagency Task Force South (JIATF-S) based in Key West, Florida, is a task force supported which coordinates the anti-drug monitoring and interdiction efforts in the region.

In the period October 2008 until September 2009, 700 flights were executed. 667 flights originated from Hato International Airport and 33 from Reina Beatrix Airport. The total active flight hours by the FOL (on station hours) were 3,583. The flights from the FOL contributed to the seizure of 234,000 kilos of cocaine, 7,000 kilos of marijuana and 36.5 kilos of heroine. (Antilliaans Dagblad)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 29, 2010, 02:23:21 AM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

and Stephany!
 
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 29, 2010, 09:56:15 AM
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on November 29, 2010, 10:28:51 AM
Good morning tmhgolf   ::MonkeyJnBox::  You're a monkey that's been with us for a long, long time, but of few words.  I wanted to say "hi" to you, and that it would be great to hear from you.   ::bananadance:: ::bananadance:: ::bananadance:: ::bananadance::
Just hit the "reply" button and post away, then hit "post".   ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on November 29, 2010, 10:34:23 AM
Uh oh...  ::MonkeyEek::  I think I've scared tmhgolf away.   :gaah:  Come back!  You don't have to post if you'd rather not. I thought the banana dance would lure you on down here.   It's great to "see" you again even up in the rafters.   ::bee:: ::bananadance:: ::bananadance:: ::bananadance:: ::bananadance:: ::bananadance:: ::bananadance:: ::bananadance:: ::bananadance::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on November 29, 2010, 10:35:51 AM
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 29, 2010, 10:55:47 AM
Good morning 2NJ  ::MonkeyDance::

Good morning, MuffyBee! 

I don't think you scared tmhgolf away....maybe some practice in the Monkey Lounge is all tmhgolf needs to feel more confident in his/her posting skills. 



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 29, 2010, 12:01:44 PM
Does Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez have his Eye on Aruba? Talk about bad for their Economy

Posted February 23, 2007 by Scared Monkeys


If anyone wants to wonder why the US government never got more involved in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and why they did not take Aruba to task, they need only to look to the unstable leader of Venezuela for their answer. Hugo’s actions directly affect American’s homeland security decisions.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/02/23/does-venezuelan-president-hugo-chavez-have-his-eye-on-aruba-talk-about-bad-for-their-economy/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 29, 2010, 01:18:31 PM
Does Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez have his Eye on Aruba? Talk about bad for their Economy

Posted February 23, 2007 by Scared Monkeys

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/02/23/does-venezuelan-president-hugo-chavez-have-his-eye-on-aruba-talk-about-bad-for-their-economy/


Rudy Croes … Aruba Breaks Ties with Netherlands

Posted June 2, 2007 by Scared Monkeys

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/06/02/rudy-croes-aruba-breaks-ties-with-netherlands/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 29, 2010, 03:39:45 PM
 ::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 29, 2010, 03:58:51 PM
Tim Miller/Dave Holloway - The Persistence Connection

1.  Tim states in a Greta interview that Louis Schaefer and John Silvetti contacted him regarding the Persistence search.

2.  Tim states in a Jamie Colby interview that Louis Schaefer contacted Dave Holloway.

Janet

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Natalee Holloway: Tim Miller of Texas EquuSearch Discusses Crab Trap, Clothing and DNA Found in Waters of Aruba
Posted February 27, 2008 by Scared Monkeys


"I've been trying to put this together for two and a half years ... Louis Schaefer came forward with John Silvetti."

Transcript - texasmom

Video:
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/02/27/natalee-holloway-tim-miller-of-texas-equusearch-discusses-crab-trap-clothing-and-dna-found-in-waters-of-aruba/


Fox Online - Jamie Colby
July 15, 2007


JAMIE COLBY, HOST:  Tim, why are they (Arubans) standing in your way?

TIM MILLER: I don't think they can stand in our way. With the equipment we got and if we have to go in off of Venezuela. Wherever we need to go into, we've got the equipment. In fact they are more than welcome to be on the ship with us. The ships that we are taking over are a 265 foot ship and a 340 foot ship which have all the latest technology on it. In fact the owner of this company, Louis Shaeffer of Superior Offshore International, Louis called Dave Holloway up about two months ago when I was at Louis' house. He said "Mr Holloway, I'm going to promise you something, if your daughter is in a metal container out there in that water, we are going to bring her home."


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Leroy on November 29, 2010, 06:27:53 PM
O/T -- TM, you have a post here that you may not have seen  ::MonkeyCool:: 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6579.380


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 29, 2010, 06:41:23 PM
O/T -- TM, you have a post here that you may not have seen  ::MonkeyCool:: 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6579.380

Thanks Leroy!   ::MonkeyKiss::  ::DancingSantaMonkey1::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 29, 2010, 07:29:40 PM
National Enquirer scanned by San - Thanks San!:

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Corrected order of pages  ::MonkeyCool::





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 29, 2010, 08:11:44 PM
Thanks San and Klaas!   ::MonkeyDance::

This is the article I'd posted in the last thread...I didn't have the cords I needed to scan and post it so I'd typed it out. 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8987.msg1268648#msg1268648

Natalee was buried alive - that's the shocking conclusion of investigators after a female human jawbone was found near a swamp in Aruba, where Alabama teen Natalee Holloway disappeared, insiders revealed to The Enquirer.

In a tragedy that stunned the nation, Holloway vanished without a trace in 2005 during her high school graduation trip to the island - where she was last seen leaving a bar with Dutch teenager Joran van der Sloot.

Her sudden disappearance baffled authorities for years, but discovery of the jawbone - even though it wasn't immediately identified as Natalee's - triggered an explosion of renewed activity by investigators who have finally pieced together a scenario for Natalee's terrifying last minutes...and her grisly death.  In another bombshell, van der Sloot blurted out in prison that the remains of FIVE other bodies are still to be found in the same area of Aruba, a close source tells The Enquirer.

Soon after tourists stumbled upon the jawbone on Nov. 12, it was identified as being from a young white woman.  Incredibly it was found next to a swampy area where van der Sloot had previously admitted to burying Natalee's body - and even drew a map of the spot!

Stunned by the discovery, investigators have been taking a new look at previous taped confessions from Joran - which had been dismissed as the lies of a psychopath - and uncovered chilling clues indicating the beautiful blonde cheerleader could have been buried alive!

Joran - already imprisoned in Peru for the brutal murder of 21-year-old student Stephany Flores - was informed of the jawbone find by his Peruvian attorney.

Incredibly, the cold-hearted thug started laughing!

"He just sneered and tried to laugh it off as if it was nothing," a close source told The Enquirer.

But then the twisted killer bragged to a prison guard:  "There are at least FIVE more bodies out there.

It's no secret on the streets that the bad guys dump bodies in that swamp.  I mean mobsters and drug dealers - that's what they do to their victims.  This bone could be from any one of them."

The source added:  "No one knows whether to believe him, but he wants to be the big man in prison - always the center of attention."

Joran loves to taunt authorities with mind games, but he might be outsmarting himself.  Investigators analyzing Joran's previous confessions say they've come up with "tantalizing nuggets of truth" hidden between his lies.

In 2008, Patrick van der Eem, a Dutch undercover investigator who'd befriended Joran, secretly filmed him as he talked openly about Natalee's final moments.  Joran divulged he and the perky blonde enjoyed a wild night of drinking and then had a tryst on the beach - where she suddenly went into convulsions.

Investigators believe she was possibly slipped a date-rape drug.

Instead of calling for medical help, Joran said he and a friend disposed of Natalee.

Van der Eem asked him:  "How were you so sure she was dead?"

In a horrifying admission, Joran replied:  "I wasn't (expletive deleted) sure about that...but it really scared me to death."

When van der Eem suggested that Natalee was alive and simply in a coma when they buried her, the steely-eyed brute coldly and unemotionally answered:  "That's very possibly."

Poring over the confession, investigators revealed that despite the fact "Joran is a skilled liar, he sprinkles his lies with tantalizing nuggets of truth so that his stories are impossible to prove- while remaining plausible."

Their analysis of his chilling words paints a shocking picture of Natalee's demise - that she was buried and left to die in a filthy, boggy swamp.

"If she wasn't unconscious, imagine the horror that young girl went through in her final minutes," said the close source.  "That monster doesn't even know if she was dead.  He had her buried anyway!

"Poor Natalee could have been in and out of consciousness as she was dragged to her grave.  She could have been aware she was being buried alive and unable to fight off this evil man!"

Added an insider:  "It's horrifying to think Natalee might have been aware of what was happening to her - but was unable to stop it."

Dutch experts leaped into the investigation in mid-November shortly after the jawbone's discovery.  They began comparing the bone, which still had a single molar intact, with Natalee's DNA and asked her father Dave Holloway to send them her dental records by overnight courier.

"Devastating as it was, he became hopeful it meant he'd finally be able to bring Natalee home," a friend told The Enquirer.

For investigators, the bond held out new hope of nailing Joran for Natalee's murder.

It was discovered on a beach next to a wetland wilderness area - which Joran had pinpointed on a hand-drawn map as Natalee's final resting place.

Joran prepared the map for Dutch journalist Jaap Armesz, who befriended him when he was in Holland two years ago and did a series of taped interviews with him.

As The Enquirer revealed in an earlier blockbuster story, the journalist turned over the map to the Holloway family.

The wetland area adjoining the ocean, called the Bubali Bird Sanctuary, is usually flooded with treated water from Aruba's sewage processing area.

But experts say heavy storms in recent months raised the water level of the sanctuary and could have washed bones from a skeleton buried there into the sea - and the jawbone could have washed back ashore, where the tourists discovered it.

"There's no question where the jawbone came from - it was found very close to where the bird sanctuary waters empty into the ocean when they're high enough," private investigator Art Wood told The Enquirer.

Wood, a former U.S. Secret Service agent who investigated Natalee's disappearance for her family, confirmed:  "On the map, Joran marked an area where he said he and a friend left Natalee's body after she died."

The Arubans had conducted a superficial investigation of the area and found nothing, but once he had the map, Dave Holloway pressured the government to conduct a major search.

Authorities in Aruba - who don't want to scare away their tourist trade - point-blank refused to let the planned search proceed.

Aruban prosecutor Taco Stein admitted to The Enquirer:  "We never thoroughly searched the Bubali pond area.  We looked there, but there was never an exhaustive search."

Joran's secret "graveyard" might contain the bodies of other women who have vanished in or near Aruba, for decades a smoetimes - fatal magnet for the young and beautiful.

Amy Lynn Bradley was 23 on March 24, 1998, when she disappeared off a cruise ship, which left Aruba headed for Curacao.  She remains missing to this day.

Nevina Labouovic was sailing with her family near Aruba in 2001 when the entire family and the boat disappeared.

Said a source close to the investigation:  "Joran's claim of knowing about five more bodies has investigators puzzled and wondering if he is responsible for the deaths of other women who might be buried near Natalee."

By John Blosser
and David Wright


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 29, 2010, 08:24:27 PM
OMG TM - I hadn't seen that you typed it out!  You are too good!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 29, 2010, 08:44:52 PM
OMG TM - I hadn't seen that you typed it out!  You are too good!

Thanks Klaas!   ::MonkeyWeight:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 29, 2010, 08:49:26 PM
OMG TM - I hadn't seen that you typed it out!  You are too good!

I hadn't either, but apparently someone did & sent it to Rene Gielen, who posted it on Tito's FB page.   ::MonkeyNoNo::    ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 29, 2010, 09:19:46 PM
OMG TM - I hadn't seen that you typed it out!  You are too good!

I hadn't either, but apparently someone did & sent it to Rene Gielen, who posted it on Tito's FB page.   ::MonkeyNoNo::    ::MonkeyTongue::

Maybeeeeee Annnnnniiiiitttttaaaaaa! ::MonkeyDevil::

 :smt066


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 29, 2010, 09:44:31 PM
Thanks San and Klaas!   ::MonkeyDance::

This is the article I'd posted in the last thread...I didn't have the cords I needed to scan and post it so I'd typed it out. 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8987.msg1268648#msg1268648

<snipped>

The Arubans had conducted a superficial investigation of the area and found nothing, but once he had the map, Dave Holloway pressured the government to conduct a major search.

Authorities in Aruba - who don't want to scare away their tourist trade - point-blank refused to let the planned search proceed.

Aruban prosecutor Taco Stein admitted to The Enquirer:  "We never thoroughly searched the Bubali pond area.  We looked there, but there was never an exhaustive search."

<snipped>

By John Blosser
and David Wright


I do not believe that Natalee Holloways remains are in the Bubali swamp but it appears that Aruban authorities are not even going through the motions of an investigation.

Dave Holloway was requested by Aruban Authorities FOUR MONTHS AGO to delay the search of the Bubali Bird Sanctuary ... claiming that an official search was forthcoming.  According to Taco Stein words to the National Inquirer that official search has not yet happened.

Janet.

+++++

Arubans urge Holloway's father to delay search during Peruvian probeBy the CNN Wire Staff
June 17, 2010 5:22 p.m. EDT


(CNN) -- Aruban authorities are urging Natalee Holloway's father, Dave Holloway, to delay volunteer search efforts in her disappearance until police get better information on the case from Peruvian investigators who have spoken to Joran van der Sloot, prosecutor Peter Blanken said.

Police do not want their investigation jeopardized or possible evidence contaminated in the Bubali Bird Sanctuary, a swamp area where Joran once said he dumped Holloway's body, Blanken said. Aruban authorities wish to search a more focused area once they receive more information from van der Sloot and his laptop, which may include files linking him to the Holloway disappearance.

<snipped>

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/17/aruba.van.der.sloot/



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 29, 2010, 10:40:18 PM
For anyone that's interested, I've posted some recent articles over in the oil and gas pipeline info thread.

It's not an area I know a lot about, but I can't stop thinking about some of the things I've read.

I think they could be important.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 29, 2010, 10:41:23 PM
::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0

Thanks for the reminder 2NJ!   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 30, 2010, 12:48:16 AM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

and Stephany!
 
::MonkeyJustice::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: jen3560 on November 30, 2010, 09:54:30 AM
For anyone that's interested, I've posted some recent articles over in the oil and gas pipeline info thread.

It's not an area I know a lot about, but I can't stop thinking about some of the things I've read.

I think they could be important.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

JMO


I think you could be right.  And THANK YOU TxMom!  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 30, 2010, 10:29:40 AM
Another tourist drowns at Baby Beach.  They suspect that he had a heart attack. 

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/24693-turista-a-hoga-na-baby-beach-.html

tourist owing to hoga at baby beach

thursday, 25 november 2010 21:04

today tardi more or less 2or police owing to atende one call of one caso of hogamento at baby beach. at arrival of the unidad policial berdad owing to come come across cu one curpa of a man cu not was give sign of life. for more or less 3:55pm dr. kiewiet owing to constata dead natural of michael hinton, naci at merca of 72 year of edad y hospedando together cu his family for the time being at divi village. is sospecha cu the victima will owing to find one ataca of curason during cu the was landando. bureau slachtofferhulp owing to present at the sitio for give sosten y yudansa at famianan of the fayecido. paz at his restonan.

Norfork man dies while in
Aruba

 November 30, 2010

 NORFORK — Norfork Recorder/Treasurer Donna
Hinton's husband, 72-year-old Michael Hinton,
died last week while the couple was vacationing in
Aruba, according to Norfork Mayor Jim Reeves.

Reeves said the couple was swimming in the ocean
when they were struck by a wave. Michael Hinton
thought his wife was in trouble and apparently
drown while trying to help her, Reeves said.

"We're trying to figure out the best way to help her,
to support her," Reeves said.

According to Aruba media reports, Hinton died at
Baby Beach near the Divi Village Golf & Beach Resort
on Thursday. Funeral arrangements for Hinton are
pending with Roller Funeral Home.

— From staff reports

http://www.baxterbulletin.com/article/20101130/NEWS01/11300322/1002/rss


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: klaasend on November 30, 2010, 12:29:29 PM
You would think at Baby Beach they would have lifeguards and this type of thing wouldn't happen.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 30, 2010, 01:07:34 PM
Kermit

You never identified who "The Leak" was ... "The Leak" who revealed what was going on behind the scenes prior to you submitting your first post to the SM Forum regarding the mapping for oil by the Persistence.

This wannabe detective who chooses to focus on Kyle Kingman's own words may be slow but ... two years later I think she has finally figured out the identity.

Janet

+++++

Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #821 7/13/09 -
« Reply #479 on: July 22, 2009, 04:51:14 PM »


From: j.silvetti@xxxxx
To: capslockwizard@xxxx
Subject: RE: Question?
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:39:18 -0600


Caps,
 
Hello my friend. It has been a long time.  I do not know what the Ocean Explorer is.  If it is a vessel, it is certainly not mine. I do not know who Kermit is and I can tell you that since the crew members are employees of mine, mostly, except for the contractors who signed non-disclosure statements and other 3rd Party company personnel, it does not make sense.


0A
There were stories which were addressed in an interview with Ein Vandaag regarding our boat searching for oil before the vessel ever left the U.S.  I have not addressed any of these bullshit artists as I do not feel that the effort which was put forth by so many of us regarding the search and all that continues to take place in support of finding  Natalee’s remains are worth addressing.  The problem is that these people have nothing else to do but stir the pot.  They really need to get a life and put their efforts towards helping in the search.
 
I would like to see this photo of a man in a red shirt on the boat.  I have not seen it.  Could you please forward it to me.  I am sorry to hear that you and our group is being dragged in the mud by these people.  I was told of this last week, but, have chosen not to respond to people like this.  We know what we did and what we are doing.  That is good enough for me and the Holloway family.  As for that supposed skull in the cage, that is all bull and quite frankly, I believe you r initial story of what that cage was being used for is probably correct.
 
Someday, hopefully, we will find her and all this garbage will be put to rest.  By the way, have you spoken with our friend?  I have sent him several emails with no response.  Please ask him to call me.
 
Best Regards,
John




From: Caps Lock [mailto:xxxx
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 12:15 AM
To: John Silvetti
Subject: Question?
 
Hi John, hope everything is well,
 
Long time not hearing anything about the Ocean Explorer. but last night I went to the SM forum, where I found someone called KERMIT, who is stateing 3 of the crew member are traitors..
 
I was in shock to see that your name is one on the names mention.
 
Other thing that was mention was that your company where not searching for Natalee, but where doing a survay for Oil exploration on the bottom of the ocean around Aruba.

I Just want you to know that it seems to be that this Kermit has some info that show that your company are dealing in corruption.
 
There is a photo circulating that show a man in a red T-shirt on the boat and they are claming that that is an FBI agent.
 
They are also saying that the Skul was Human skull., I did asked you and you told me that there was noting in=2 0the cage.
 
I know there was an incident with Tim , but the detail I do not remember....
 
Please John, I hope it is not so..please let me know....I just wanted to defent you, since they are saying that CAPS is related to the OE and Silvetty corrption
 
Hope to hear from you,
 
CAPS...

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX


FIRST: look at the dates. We have Silvetti telling Caps email dated Nov 24, 2008 asking about him searching for OIL, right???

BUT I do not post that information unil Feb 17, 2009

HOWEVER, THE EMAIL THAT YAPPERS REC'D FROM LALASMOM WAS DATED NOV. 22, 2008 - TWO DAYS AFTER LALASMOM/YAPPERZ HAD EMAILED JUG AND HE TOLD THEM SCHAEFER SAID THEY WERE MAPPING FOR OIL!

SO HOW COULD CAPS TELL JOHN SILVETTI IN AN EMAIL THAT IT WAS I WHO POSTED THAT JOHN WAS SEARCHING FOR OIL, WHEN IN FACT, IT WAS LALASMOM THAT EMAILED JUG AND JUG TOLD HER!!!!!


« Reply #776 on: February 17, 2009, 01:50:50 PM »

Sat Nov 22, 2008
Here is a snippet from an email I [THE LEAK]rec'd from Lalas.
"I asked Jug about Schaeffer...he is the oil guy. He was the one that provided the cash to get down there. Silvetti knew he would get more business from Schaeffer if he mapped....
while they were looking...the ocean floor. All the crew was asked to do was look for Natalee or anything suspicious as in small things like a cage or bones or whatever.
They do a large mapping process while they are looking for the details.
Schaeffer would use the large mapping of the general layout of the ocean floor
 to further look for oil...etc...while they looked for Natalee too.
Silvetti was the one that offered to look for Natalee and not Schaefer.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4515.msg676709

SECOND: Caps is telling John in the email that the man in the red shirt is FBI. When, in fact, that is not what people said. They said it was JOHN SILVETTI in the red shirt.
I think CAPS specifically mentions this to John Silvetti in the email to see if John lets him know if there were any FBI on board!

THIRD: John has no idea that Kyle Kingman, one of his crew memebers and person who set up the blog site is posting at SM under the name Ocean Exploration. I find that odd considering John's sister is posting along WITH Kyle at BFN. One would think his sister would have mentioned it. One would think that Kyle would have talked about it with John Silvetti considering Kyle goes to Johns house a lot! Just seems odd to me.

FOURTH: John immediately tells CAPS about a non-disclousre agreement to answer CAPS inquiry as to crew members being traitors along with him.

Maybe it's just me, but I find that an odd thing to respond to. I would think he would inquire as to what do you mean we are being called American Traitors by Kermit? Who is Kermit?
Instead, he tells CAPS MY EMPLOYEES CAN'T TALK! But little does John Silvetti know that Kyle Kingman, Tim Trahan and Louis Schaefer violate the so called non-disclosure aggreement and attempt to sell the ROV images.


FIFTH: John tells CAPS he learned of this LAST WEEK. So someone informed John Silvetti of my posts the previous week before this email from CAPS to John. This email was Nov. 24, 2008. I started posting the information, if memory servers me on Nov. 24, 2008. Previously, I was only posting hints about the cage, if I recall correctly and I'm kinda pretty damned sure of that. Heh Heh. So SOMEONE OTHER THEN CAPS was emailing John Silvetti keeping him informed.

SIXTH: John tells Caps no skull inside the cage, BUT he believes CAPS about what the cage was used for. NOW here we have another foible because do we believe what Kyle told us that it was JOHN that told CAPS the cage was a post office. OR do we believe JOHN's email to CAPS that it is CAPS that told John the cage is a post office?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5372.msg885730#msg885730


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 30, 2010, 01:23:20 PM
You would think at Baby Beach they would have lifeguards and this type of thing wouldn't happen.

I believe we have read repeatedly about the currents/tide at the Baby Beach area being dangerous throughout the past 5 plus years.  I agree, but from my few experiences on Caribbean islands and a visit to Cancun, I do not recall seeing a lifeguard on any beach that we visited.  EVERYTHING you do is at your own risk, it seems.  


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 30, 2010, 03:25:03 PM
An Investigation by the FBI?

Could it be that the objective of the Persistence undertaking was two fold from the getgo?  Could it be that Louis Schaefer and John Silvetti gave the deceptive impression that the undertaking was all about locating Natalee Holloway’s remains?  Could it be that it was realized that a two fold mission would afford Schaefer and Silvetti the opportunity to take advantage of Tim Miller's association with TES to raise funds?

The Persistence undertaking may have been deceptively two fold but ... affording John Silvetti the benefit of the doubt ... is it possibly that he went into this venture with the intention of being an active participant in the recovery of Natalee Holloway's remains in the event of a discovery?

Could it be that sometime between the discovery of the trap/cage on Christimas Day and the December 30, 2007 dive, Aruban authorities became involved?  Could it be that during this period John Silvetti may have been offered an incentive to turn a blind eye in regard to the recovery process?

In other words, there would be no chain of command as the Arubans would be in complete control of the process to retrieve Natalee's remains ... a process that the crew of the Persistence would not participate.  The only Persistence diver who was a member of the observation dive would claim his vision was obscured.

Could it be that Tim Miller's respective calls to Beth and Dave were not anticipated by John Silvetti or Aruban authories?  Could it be that Tim Miller's words to America in the Dateline special were not anticipated?  Was this man a "liability" who had to be reckoned with ... whose voice had to be silenced?

It is a given that any contracts with Aruban connections afforded to John Silvetti/Louis Shaeffer following the Persistence undertaking ... it is a given that Kyle Kingman's revealed posts to a private forum and ... it is a given that actual footage of the ROV videos should have been investigated by the FBI.  Justice for an American citizen demanded it.

What is the holdup?  Could the words of Scared Monkeys administrator in 2007 still be considered a factor?

Janet

+++++++

Does Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez have his Eye on Aruba? Talk about bad for their Economy

Posted February 23, 2007 by Scared Monkeys


If anyone wants to wonder why the US government never got more involved in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and why they did not take Aruba to task, they need only to look to the unstable leader of Venezuela for their answer. Hugo’s actions directly affect American’s homeland security decisions.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/02/23/does-venezuelan-president-hugo-chavez-have-his-eye-on-aruba-talk-about-bad-for-their-economy/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Sharon/Tx on November 30, 2010, 07:16:43 PM
I never saw a lifeguard anywhere near Baby Beach or the southern tip of Aruba.  There is a prison and wide open beaches with big waves, currents and tons of coral with seagulls eating at it on a sand bar.  There is a small gap between the sandbars that you can swim out into the ocean and it looked very rough out there.  Inside the sandbars towards the beach was calm.  There is one hut that serves food and that's about it.  Anything could happen at Baby Beach and you are out in the middle of nowhere.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 30, 2010, 08:10:36 PM
kkthy

I see ya in the rafters.  Maybe you could help me understand something.  Is a wisdom tooth and molar interchangeable.

Was the tooth in the jawbone found in Aruba a wisdom tooth or molar.

Thanks

Janet

++++++


Local Man Finds Jawbone On Aruban Beach
Authorities Investigate Whether Bone Belongs To Natalee Holloway

November 23, 2010

"Then I saw the bone. I hesitated because I kind of knew what it was right off the bat."

He said he brought it to his wife, an X-ray technologist who looks at bones every day.

"You do hesitate, because you're not expecting to find a human bone," said Eileen Beaulieu.

"All the teeth were missing except for one molar in the back," Gil Beaulieu said. "It was in good shape."

<snipped>

Video Interview:
http://www.wfsb.com/news/25889547/detail.html


Natalee Holloway: Jawbone Not That of Missing American Teen
Jawbone With One Tooth Attached Found Two Weeks Ago on Aruban Beach
Nov. 23, 2010


The determination was made using Holloway's dental records, according to a statement issued late this morning by the Aruba Public Prosecutor's Office.

Aruban Solicitor General Taco Stein said shortly after the announcement that they could determine quickly that the bone wasn't Holloway's -- the jawbone found on the beach had a wisdom tooth still attached and Holloway's dental records showed the teen had had her wisdom teeth removed.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/natalee-holloway-jaw-bone-missing-american-teen/story?id=12222677


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Red on November 30, 2010, 08:22:30 PM
The Dana Pretzer Show On Scared Monkeys Radio – Tuesday, November 30, 2010 – Special Guests: Robin Sax & Pat Brown

(http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/sm_radio_header2-300x83.jpg)

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/11/30/the-dana-pretzer-show-on-scared-monkeys-radio-%e2%80%93-tuesday-november-30-2010-%e2%80%93-special-guests-robin-sax-pat-brown/

LISTEN TO THE DANA PRETZER SHOW TONIGHT AT 9 PM ET ON SCARED MONKEYS RADIO

Tonight Dana welcomes special guests:

■ Robin Sax, former ADA, author and Crime analyst with updates on the Grayson Vaughn Case and the murder of Ronni Chasen
■Criminal Profiler Pat Brown discussing the Natalee Holloway case and the murder of Ronni Chasen



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: kkthy on November 30, 2010, 08:38:36 PM
Tamikosmom -  I've been trying to catch up with some of the posts. 

I was with our friends who found the jaw bone.  (His wife is the xray technologist) For the life of me, I can't remember how far back the molar was on the jaw.  I can tell you that it was pretty far back but I didn't pay enough attention to whether it would be considered a wisdom tooth or molar.  I wish that we had gone to our room to get our camera for a picture... Especially after reading some of the posts that describe the corruption and mishandling of the case from the beginning in 2005.  However, never experiencing such an event, we kept the find fairly quiet and private and just wanted to make sure to get it to the proper authorities.  When we walked off the beach, my husband and the friend that actually found the bone went immediately to the front desk area to report it.

I read one of the Holloway's experiences with their statement back in 2005... when Mr. Holloway said that he hesitated because he had to sign a statement that was in a different language. (Dutch)  Well, my husband and friend had to do the same thing.  They made their statement and then it was translated into Dutch on the formal report.  Signing something that they could not read was an uncomfortable feeling, but... as Mr. Holloway mentioned... they felt they had to trust the translation and sign it.  My husband asked for a copy but they stated that they could not give him a copy.  ugggg...

I'm still so upset that they determined it wasn't Natalee...  This recent find just added another false hope for this family. :( 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 30, 2010, 09:00:43 PM
Tamikosmom -  I've been trying to catch up with some of the posts. 

I was with our friends who found the jaw bone.  (His wife is the xray technologist) For the life of me, I can't remember how far back the molar was on the jaw.  I can tell you that it was pretty far back but I didn't pay enough attention to whether it would be considered a wisdom tooth or molar.  I wish that we had gone to our room to get our camera for a picture... Especially after reading some of the posts that describe the corruption and mishandling of the case from the beginning in 2005.  However, never experiencing such an event, we kept the find fairly quiet and private and just wanted to make sure to get it to the proper authorities.  When we walked off the beach, my husband and the friend that actually found the bone went immediately to the front desk area to report it.

I read one of the Holloway's experiences with their statement back in 2005... when Mr. Holloway said that he hesitated because he had to sign a statement that was in a different language. (Dutch)  Well, my husband and friend had to do the same thing.  They made their statement and then it was translated into Dutch on the formal report.  Signing something that they could not read was an uncomfortable feeling, but... as Mr. Holloway mentioned... they felt they had to trust the translation and sign it.  My husband asked for a copy but they stated that they could not give him a copy.  ugggg...

I'm still so upset that they determined it wasn't Natalee...  This recent find just added another false hope for this family. :( 

kkthy

You all did what most would have done in the same situation.  IF I did not have an indepth knowledge of the corrupt investigation that has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway since May, 2005 ... my quest would have been to get that jawbone into the hands of the proper  authorities.  It would not have occured to me to take photos.  In other words ... I would have done exactly what you and your friends did.

kkthy ... your honest and heartfett input to the SM Natalee Holloway forum has been greatly appreciated.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 30, 2010, 09:41:15 PM
kkthy

I believe that both Dave and Beth's respective books provide great foundational knowledge to build on when researching the Aruban cover up agenda in the Natalee Holloway investigation.

Janet

+++++

ARUBA: THE TRAGIC UNTOLD STORY OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY AND CORRUPTION IN PARADISE
By Dave Holloway

Publisher: Thomas Nelson Publishers-Business (Mar 15 2006)
Language: English
ISBN-10: 1595550631
ISBN-13: 978-1595550637

LOVING NATALEE
A MOTHER'S TESTAMENT OF HOPE AND FAITH

By Beth Holloway

ISBN: 9780061452277
ISBN10: 0061452270
Imprint: HarperOne
On Sale: 10/2/2007


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on November 30, 2010, 09:54:02 PM
Thanks Dana!   

I only caught the last few minutes of your show tonight, but look forward to listening to the podcast later.

Keep up the good work!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Kermit on November 30, 2010, 10:11:50 PM
Kermit

You never identified who "The Leak" was ... "The Leak" who revealed what was going on behind the scenes prior to you submitting your first post to the SM Forum regarding the mapping for oil by the Persistence.

This wannabe detective who chooses to focus on Kyle Kingman's own words may be slow but ... two years later I think she has finally figured out the identity.

Janet

+++++

Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #821 7/13/09 -
« Reply #479 on: July 22, 2009, 04:51:14 PM »


From: j.silvetti@xxxxx
To: capslockwizard@xxxx
Subject: RE: Question?
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:39:18 -0600


Caps,
 
Hello my friend. It has been a long time.  I do not know what the Ocean Explorer is.  If it is a vessel, it is certainly not mine. I do not know who Kermit is and I can tell you that since the crew members are employees of mine, mostly, except for the contractors who signed non-disclosure statements and other 3rd Party company personnel, it does not make sense.


0A
There were stories which were addressed in an interview with Ein Vandaag regarding our boat searching for oil before the vessel ever left the U.S.  I have not addressed any of these bullshit artists as I do not feel that the effort which was put forth by so many of us regarding the search and all that continues to take place in support of finding  Natalee’s remains are worth addressing.  The problem is that these people have nothing else to do but stir the pot.  They really need to get a life and put their efforts towards helping in the search.
 
I would like to see this photo of a man in a red shirt on the boat.  I have not seen it.  Could you please forward it to me.  I am sorry to hear that you and our group is being dragged in the mud by these people.  I was told of this last week, but, have chosen not to respond to people like this.  We know what we did and what we are doing.  That is good enough for me and the Holloway family.  As for that supposed skull in the cage, that is all bull and quite frankly, I believe you r initial story of what that cage was being used for is probably correct.
 
Someday, hopefully, we will find her and all this garbage will be put to rest.  By the way, have you spoken with our friend?  I have sent him several emails with no response.  Please ask him to call me.
 
Best Regards,
John




From: Caps Lock [mailto:xxxx
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 12:15 AM
To: John Silvetti
Subject: Question?
 
Hi John, hope everything is well,
 
Long time not hearing anything about the Ocean Explorer. but last night I went to the SM forum, where I found someone called KERMIT, who is stateing 3 of the crew member are traitors..
 
I was in shock to see that your name is one on the names mention.
 
Other thing that was mention was that your company where not searching for Natalee, but where doing a survay for Oil exploration on the bottom of the ocean around Aruba.

I Just want you to know that it seems to be that this Kermit has some info that show that your company are dealing in corruption.
 
There is a photo circulating that show a man in a red T-shirt on the boat and they are claming that that is an FBI agent.
 
They are also saying that the Skul was Human skull., I did asked you and you told me that there was noting in=2 0the cage.
 
I know there was an incident with Tim , but the detail I do not remember....
 
Please John, I hope it is not so..please let me know....I just wanted to defent you, since they are saying that CAPS is related to the OE and Silvetty corrption
 
Hope to hear from you,
 
CAPS...

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FIRST: look at the dates. We have Silvetti telling Caps email dated Nov 24, 2008 asking about him searching for OIL, right???

BUT I do not post that information unil Feb 17, 2009

HOWEVER, THE EMAIL THAT YAPPERS REC'D FROM LALASMOM WAS DATED NOV. 22, 2008 - TWO DAYS AFTER LALASMOM/YAPPERZ HAD EMAILED JUG AND HE TOLD THEM SCHAEFER SAID THEY WERE MAPPING FOR OIL!

SO HOW COULD CAPS TELL JOHN SILVETTI IN AN EMAIL THAT IT WAS I WHO POSTED THAT JOHN WAS SEARCHING FOR OIL, WHEN IN FACT, IT WAS LALASMOM THAT EMAILED JUG AND JUG TOLD HER!!!!!


« Reply #776 on: February 17, 2009, 01:50:50 PM »

Sat Nov 22, 2008
Here is a snippet from an email I [THE LEAK]rec'd from Lalas.
"I asked Jug about Schaeffer...he is the oil guy. He was the one that provided the cash to get down there. Silvetti knew he would get more business from Schaeffer if he mapped....
while they were looking...the ocean floor. All the crew was asked to do was look for Natalee or anything suspicious as in small things like a cage or bones or whatever.
They do a large mapping process while they are looking for the details.
Schaeffer would use the large mapping of the general layout of the ocean floor
 to further look for oil...etc...while they looked for Natalee too.
Silvetti was the one that offered to look for Natalee and not Schaefer.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4515.msg676709

SECOND: Caps is telling John in the email that the man in the red shirt is FBI. When, in fact, that is not what people said. They said it was JOHN SILVETTI in the red shirt.
I think CAPS specifically mentions this to John Silvetti in the email to see if John lets him know if there were any FBI on board!

THIRD: John has no idea that Kyle Kingman, one of his crew memebers and person who set up the blog site is posting at SM under the name Ocean Exploration. I find that odd considering John's sister is posting along WITH Kyle at BFN. One would think his sister would have mentioned it. One would think that Kyle would have talked about it with John Silvetti considering Kyle goes to Johns house a lot! Just seems odd to me.

FOURTH: John immediately tells CAPS about a non-disclousre agreement to answer CAPS inquiry as to crew members being traitors along with him.

Maybe it's just me, but I find that an odd thing to respond to. I would think he would inquire as to what do you mean we are being called American Traitors by Kermit? Who is Kermit?
Instead, he tells CAPS MY EMPLOYEES CAN'T TALK! But little does John Silvetti know that Kyle Kingman, Tim Trahan and Louis Schaefer violate the so called non-disclosure aggreement and attempt to sell the ROV images.


FIFTH: John tells CAPS he learned of this LAST WEEK. So someone informed John Silvetti of my posts the previous week before this email from CAPS to John. This email was Nov. 24, 2008. I started posting the information, if memory servers me on Nov. 24, 2008. Previously, I was only posting hints about the cage, if I recall correctly and I'm kinda pretty damned sure of that. Heh Heh. So SOMEONE OTHER THEN CAPS was emailing John Silvetti keeping him informed.

SIXTH: John tells Caps no skull inside the cage, BUT he believes CAPS about what the cage was used for. NOW here we have another foible because do we believe what Kyle told us that it was JOHN that told CAPS the cage was a post office. OR do we believe JOHN's email to CAPS that it is CAPS that told John the cage is a post office?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5372.msg885730#msg885730


It is really interesting re-reading this and how there are so many holes in what Silvetti and Caps tried to pull off. btw, Caps was here reading again this morning! ::MonkeyReindeer::

If we also look back at when the RV Persistence left shore in Aruba to search - the BOMBSHELL - all 3 suspects were re-arrested by Hans Mos and then they were released which turned out to be just another Aruba diversion.

Tim Miller: "She's always been calling us back" I stepped on the boat [RV Persistence] and I said, "Natalee we're coming to get you."







Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Kermit on November 30, 2010, 10:13:40 PM
Tamikosmom -  I've been trying to catch up with some of the posts. 

I was with our friends who found the jaw bone.  (His wife is the xray technologist) For the life of me, I can't remember how far back the molar was on the jaw.  I can tell you that it was pretty far back but I didn't pay enough attention to whether it would be considered a wisdom tooth or molar.  I wish that we had gone to our room to get our camera for a picture... Especially after reading some of the posts that describe the corruption and mishandling of the case from the beginning in 2005.  However, never experiencing such an event, we kept the find fairly quiet and private and just wanted to make sure to get it to the proper authorities.  When we walked off the beach, my husband and the friend that actually found the bone went immediately to the front desk area to report it.

I read one of the Holloway's experiences with their statement back in 2005... when Mr. Holloway said that he hesitated because he had to sign a statement that was in a different language. (Dutch)  Well, my husband and friend had to do the same thing.  They made their statement and then it was translated into Dutch on the formal report.  Signing something that they could not read was an uncomfortable feeling, but... as Mr. Holloway mentioned... they felt they had to trust the translation and sign it.  My husband asked for a copy but they stated that they could not give him a copy.  ugggg...

I'm still so upset that they determined it wasn't Natalee...  This recent find just added another false hope for this family. :( 

kkthy,

I'm curious, what made you come to SM and post about the jaw bone? Had you followed the case at some point?



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Kiwi on December 01, 2010, 02:00:04 AM
kkthy

I see ya in the rafters.  Maybe you could help me understand something.  Is a wisdom tooth and molar interchangeable.

Was the tooth in the jawbone found in Aruba a wisdom tooth or molar.

Thanks

Janet

++++++


Local Man Finds Jawbone On Aruban Beach
Authorities Investigate Whether Bone Belongs To Natalee Holloway

November 23, 2010

"Then I saw the bone. I hesitated because I kind of knew what it was right off the bat."

He said he brought it to his wife, an X-ray technologist who looks at bones every day.

"You do hesitate, because you're not expecting to find a human bone," said Eileen Beaulieu.

"All the teeth were missing except for one molar in the back," Gil Beaulieu said. "It was in good shape."

<snipped>

Video Interview:
http://www.wfsb.com/news/25889547/detail.html


Natalee Holloway: Jawbone Not That of Missing American Teen
Jawbone With One Tooth Attached Found Two Weeks Ago on Aruban Beach
Nov. 23, 2010


The determination was made using Holloway's dental records, according to a statement issued late this morning by the Aruba Public Prosecutor's Office.

Aruban Solicitor General Taco Stein said shortly after the announcement that they could determine quickly that the bone wasn't Holloway's -- the jawbone found on the beach had a wisdom tooth still attached and Holloway's dental records showed the teen had had her wisdom teeth removed.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/natalee-holloway-jaw-bone-missing-american-teen/story?id=12222677

I can answer your question. If the other teeth were missing and bone was intact the sockets where the teeth were would have specific shapes. The large sockets would be the first and second molars. The third molar would be the wisdow tooth, the 3rd largest socket by almost double in size. The determination would not have needed an xray. If the 3rd molar or wisdow tooth was impacted in bone, its position and angulation would have helped in the identification with a CT scan or xray.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 01, 2010, 02:53:18 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

and Stephany!
 
::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 01, 2010, 03:01:02 AM
http://blog.al.com/birmingham-news-commentary/2010/11/our_view_sadly_the_search_for.html

OUR VIEW: Sadly, the search for answers continues with regard to Mountain Brook's Natalee Holloway

Published: Tuesday, November 30, 2010, 5:44 AM

(http://media.al.com/birmingham-news/photo/8607336-large.jpg)

The Birmingham community's disappointment in the latest development in the Natalee Holloway case speaks, really, to our desperate desire for answers.

And if those of us who didn't even know Holloway felt so knotted up over tests on a young female's jawbone found earlier this month on a beach in Aruba, we can only imagine what an emotional corkscrew her family must have endured.

Holloway, then 18, disappeared in Aruba in 2005 while on a trip with her senior class at Mountain Brook High School. Though the case has gone through cycles of investigatory starts and stops, reliable answers have been in short supply.

The search has been so sad and sustained, it was hard not to wish the jawbone could be matched with Holloway, even though it would prove she is dead. At least then, her family would know for sure.

But even that awful truth once again proved elusive. Aruban prosecutors said in a statement Tuesday the bone did not belong to Holloway. Based on comparisons with Holloway's dental records, forensic scientists were able to prove the "bone material and molar" were not Holloway's.

To be sure, for Holloway's family, no outcome would have been painless. But what made this episode particularly hard was the fact family members had to wait for the results and that they were notified the way the rest of us were -- in a press statement. "Apparently, Aruban prosecutors were more sensitive to media concerns than the painful vigil of a mother," said John Q. Kelly, a lawyer for Holloway's mother, Beth.

It wasn't Beth Holloway's first frustration with Aruban authorities.

Her daughter was last seen leaving a bar with a troubled young man named Joran van der Sloot, whose own mother says he suffers from mental problems. While he has been arrested at least twice in connection with Holloway's disappearance, he has been released each time, and Aruban prosecutors have repeatedly said they don't have enough evidence to charge him.

He is now in jail in Peru, where he is accused of killing a 21-year-old woman exactly five years after the date of Holloway's disappearance.

Along the way, he has given assorted accounts of what happened to Holloway, and he has been accused of trying to extort $250,000 from Holloway's family in exchange for the real story of what happened and where they could find her body.

No wonder so many of us hoped some semblance of an answer might be found, finally, in a piece of bone.

Instead, the search goes on. For Holloway's family, we can only hope that, someday, the answers will come.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: kkthy on December 01, 2010, 05:50:24 AM
Tamikosmom -  I've been trying to catch up with some of the posts. 

I was with our friends who found the jaw bone.  (His wife is the xray technologist) For the life of me, I can't remember how far back the molar was on the jaw.  I can tell you that it was pretty far back but I didn't pay enough attention to whether it would be considered a wisdom tooth or molar.  I wish that we had gone to our room to get our camera for a picture... Especially after reading some of the posts that describe the corruption and mishandling of the case from the beginning in 2005.  However, never experiencing such an event, we kept the find fairly quiet and private and just wanted to make sure to get it to the proper authorities.  When we walked off the beach, my husband and the friend that actually found the bone went immediately to the front desk area to report it.

I read one of the Holloway's experiences with their statement back in 2005... when Mr. Holloway said that he hesitated because he had to sign a statement that was in a different language. (Dutch)  Well, my husband and friend had to do the same thing.  They made their statement and then it was translated into Dutch on the formal report.  Signing something that they could not read was an uncomfortable feeling, but... as Mr. Holloway mentioned... they felt they had to trust the translation and sign it.  My husband asked for a copy but they stated that they could not give him a copy.  ugggg...

I'm still so upset that they determined it wasn't Natalee...  This recent find just added another false hope for this family. :( 

kkthy,

I'm curious, what made you come to SM and post about the jaw bone? Had you followed the case at some point?



Kermit - I knew about Natalee Holloway from the news and being a mother myself, it stays in your heart.  I also have a timeshare in Aruba, so the story has captured my mind.  The experience of finding the jaw bone sort of blew me away.  When we arrived home I went on the internet in order to follow the progress of the find.  I actually began to feel nervous that the jaw bone was not going to be taken seriously but on Tuesday, Nov 16th I began to see the jaw bone find spreading on the internet and was relieved.  Your scaredmonkeys.com site came up in many of my searches so I began reading and eventually bookmarked the site.  For many days I stumbled around because I took me a while to figure out how to get back to where I was reading the day before.  I finally figured out how to navigate the site and eventually chose to post my experience... but had to apply/register before being able to post.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Blonde on December 01, 2010, 09:13:45 AM
kkthy

I would have taken the jaw bone home for our FBI to look over but that's me..
You thought you were doing the right thing because you didn't know Aruban authorities are corrupt.
 All evidence has been destroyed. Therefore, there is nothing we can do. ...
I'm in CT also


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on December 01, 2010, 11:40:21 AM
kkthy, we all so appreciate your participation in the discussions here and your willingness to share with us all you can. The actions you took after the bone was found were all appropriate and you had no expectation that all correctness wouldn't be followed through after it was turned over to authorities.

To me, that's the biggest problem with Aruba. Decent people tend to expect decency and get blind sided by an agenda they are unaware of. I'm not at all sure that you didn't find Natalee's remains. Perhaps your experience will help the next person bring a "find" to a place where results can be trusted, and if so, you've provided a crucial service to a grieving family. Thank you so much, from all of us.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Kermit on December 01, 2010, 02:16:31 PM
Kermit - I knew about Natalee Holloway from the news and being a mother myself, it stays in your heart.  I also have a timeshare in Aruba, so the story has captured my mind.  The experience of finding the jaw bone sort of blew me away.  When we arrived home I went on the internet in order to follow the progress of the find.  I actually began to feel nervous that the jaw bone was not going to be taken seriously but on Tuesday, Nov 16th I began to see the jaw bone find spreading on the internet and was relieved.  Your scaredmonkeys.com site came up in many of my searches so I began reading and eventually bookmarked the site.  For many days I stumbled around because I took me a while to figure out how to get back to where I was reading the day before.  I finally figured out how to navigate the site and eventually chose to post my experience... but had to apply/register before being able to post.

kkthy,
Thank you for explaining.  You never know, maybe because you did come forward with a female jawbone, someone who knows the truth about what happened to Natalee will have the courage to come forward and tell the FBI rather then Aruba authorities.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 01, 2010, 02:35:00 PM
 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyNoNo::



http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/WeirdNews/2010/12/01/16386601.html

Man buries girlfriend in his jail cell

By AFP
   
LIMA - A Dutchman imprisoned in Lima for drug trafficking murdered his girlfriend during a visit and walled up body in his jail cell, police said Monday.

Authorities discovered the body of 22-year-old Leslie Paredes Silva three months later.

Jason Sanford Stalig Conquet, 32, confessed to his crime when prison guards asked him about the odor emanating from a concrete ledge he had built into a corner of his cell to hide the body of 22-year-old Peruvian Leslie Paredes Silva, they said.

The head of the national prison system Wilson Hernandez told RPP radio that Stalig Conquet received a visit from Paredes in the Lurigancho prison sometime in August.

"Apparently they had an argument inside (the cell) and he ended up strangling her," he said

"He also confessed to police that he built a sort of cement bench in his cell and that he buried his girlfriend there," he added.

The woman's body was removed by prison officials and taken to a morgue.

The gruesome discovery has raised a storm of criticism of the authorities failure to keep track of all visitors to the prison, as well as for the gross overcrowding at the facility, which was built in the 1960s to house 2,000 inmates but that now holds four times as many.

The police said in a statement it was investigating the prison murder and that any negligence on the part of security personnel in charge of Lurigancho would be severely punished.

Stalig Conquet is the second Dutchman charged with murder this year in Peru.

Joran Van der Sloot, 23, was charged in May with killing 21-year-old Stephany Flores, also Peruvian, in a Lima hotel. Apparently, she had stumbled on information linking him to the 2005 disappearance in Aruba of US national Natalee Holloway.



 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 01, 2010, 02:38:38 PM
Apparently he's from Curacao.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_81730.php

Google translation:

CURACAO

Curaçao in Peru kills girlfriend in cell

December 1, 2010, 13:03 (GMT -04:00)

PHILIPSBURG / LIMA - A Curaçao trapped in Lima, Peruvian girlfriend has been murdered when she visited him in his cell.

This Peruvian media reported Monday. Curaçao was concerned that one morning reported by Vigilante. These Sanford Jackson Conket staling. He was twice convicted for drug trafficking and is stuck in San Pedro prison in Lima. Prison staff noticed a strange smell in his cell and questioned him about it. Then Conket known that his 22-year-old girlfriend, Peruvian Leslie Dayana Paredes Silva in August had strangled her after a heated debate and then was buried in his cell, reports the AP.

Media in Peru are amazed that prison staff do not have found that Paredes has entered the prison but then never left. Any visit to Peru's prisons is recorded. There is consternation at the fact that his girlfriend Conket under a layer of cement was able to bury. How did he come to that cement, one wonders. A few prison employees have been suspended, the media reported. The police has started an investigation into the circumstances surrounding the murder.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 01, 2010, 02:42:55 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_81697.php

States wants investigation into oil contracts

30 Nov, 2010, 09:03 (GMT -04:00)

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WILLEMSTAD — A States’ majority adopted a motion yesterday ordering an investigation into contracts, which the previous government concluded with foreign oil companies. The MFK and opposition party PNP seconded the motion, a proposal from the coalition parties MAN and PS. However, another motion from the PAR to approach the Public Prosecutor was not carried.

During yesterday’s States meeting, Premier Gerrit Schotte mentioned that former premiers Etienne Ys and Emily de Jongh-Elhage (both of PAR) had concluded contracts with foreign petroleum companies. In this, it regarded confidentiality agreements with Repsol SA, Shell Exploration Inc and Murphy’s Overseas Ventures Inc to exchange seismological information. Schotte said that it supposedly regarded illegal contracts, which the premiers in question had concluded without the required authorization decision. Former premier Etienne Ys responded to this by stating he had not done anything unlawful and that these contracts only regarded the perusal and analyzing of already existing seismological information.

Schotte repeatedly emphasized that the contracts were concluded with oil companies, with the objective to start oil explorations and that due expectations were raised with these companies, with contracts that supposedly were concluded in an unlawful manner. The Premier received support from his own MFK party during the debate. For instance, Dean Rozier pointed out that the former PAR-premiers had concluded contracts against the existing rules. “They had signed without the required authorization decision. It regards contracts, which the country may not conclude, whilst contracts may not be concluded with companies domiciled abroad. Moreover, in this the government acted against all advices of the Directorate Legislation & Legal Affairs.”

However, the PAR party did not accept the Premier’s explanation. According to the chairman of the yellow party, Pedro Atacho, despite Schotte’s argument in the morning hours, he was not able to prove that the previous governments had concluded contracts for oil and petroleum drilling in the Curaçao waters, as mentioned by the coalition parties in the election period. However, MAN States member Eunice Eisden mentioned that the PAR had tried to create confusion. “The issue is not whether there are contracts for oil drilling, but how one deals with the natural riches of this island.”

Approach OM
Both the coalition and the opposition parties introduced an own motion at the end of the debate. The motion from the coalition insisted on an investigation by the government into the contracts. However, the PAR did not think the motion went far enough and said that if the coalition parties had sufficient proof that the previous governments possessed contracts for oil and petroleum drilling, they should approach the Public Prosecutor (OM). However, the coalition was of the opinion that an investigation was to be conducted first. Eisden: “It regards more than just contracts. We must assure that this never recurs, and we will decide when we will go to the OM.” PS-leader Helmin Wiels added that there’s no sense in the OM conducting an investigation at this moment because ‘the OM, just like the Court and the Intelligence Service, are seriously corrupted’. An investigation would be advisable only after a parliamentary enquiry with the OM, according to the PS-leader.

The coalition’s proposal was adopted with 12 votes and 7 dissenting votes. PNP member Humphrey Davelaar voted for the proposal because he supports further investigation into how one dealt with this subject in the past. Davelaar also voted for the PAR-motion that suggested approaching the OM directly because the premier had stated that the contracts were concluded in an unlawful manner. However, that motion was not carried. According to Eugene Cleopa, the motion proves that the PAR party was prepared to lodge a complaint against their own former premiers.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 01, 2010, 04:10:48 PM
I can answer your question. If the other teeth were missing and bone was intact the sockets where the teeth were would have specific shapes. The large sockets would be the first and second molars. The third molar would be the wisdow tooth, the 3rd largest socket by almost double in size. The determination would not have needed an xray. If the 3rd molar or wisdow tooth was impacted in bone, its position and angulation would have helped in the identification with a CT scan or xray.

Thank you Kiwi.

Dental records were electronically sent by FBI to the NFI on November 17, 2010.  According to Taco Stein ... an immediate determination was made that the jawbone was not Natalee Holloway case related.  Why was Beth and Dave not afforded an immediate call from Aruban authorities that the opportunity to bring Natalee home was not going to happen.  Natalee Holloway parents learned about the results one week later ... the same time the NFI results were released in an official statement.

Despicable!!

Janet

+++++


Electronically Sent Wednesday, November 17, 2010

FBI: Aruba studying missing teen's dental records
Posted: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:30 pm

   
Paul Daymond, an FBI spokesman in Birmingham, Alabama, said the agency sent some records electronically Wednesday and shipped the remaining dental impressions. It is unclear when those would arrive.

http://www.bonnercountydailybee.com/news/world/article_0074a3f2-3def-5a9a-a652-c24cc179caa9.html
 
 
Results Quickly Determined

Natalee Holloway: Jawbone Not That of Missing American Teen
Jawbone With One Tooth Attached Found Two Weeks Ago on Aruban Beach
Nov. 23, 2010


The determination was made using Holloway's dental records, according to a statement issued late this morning by the Aruba Public Prosecutor's Office.

Aruban Solicitor General Taco Stein said shortly after the announcement that they could determine quickly that the bone wasn't Holloway's -- the jawbone found on the beach had a wisdom tooth still attached and Holloway's dental records showed the teen had had her wisdom teeth removed.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/natalee-holloway-jaw-bone-missing-american-teen/story?id=12222677
 
 
Painful Vigil - November 23, 2010
 
Beth Holloway releases statement


"Beth accepts the forensic conclusions, is emotionally exhausted from the inexplicably long wait, and deeply disappointed in the time and manner in which she learned of the results. Apparently Aruban prosecutors were more sensitive to media concerns than the painful vigil of a mother."

John Q. Kelly, Attorney for Beth Holloway

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Beth-Holloway-releases-statement/ycgpabf4TEyB5HpVZoCQDA.cspx


NANCY GRACE
Jawbone Found Not Natalee Holloway`s
Aired November 23, 2010 – 20:00:00 ET


LINDA ALLISON, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S AUNT (via telephone): Well, I did get a chance to talk to Dave several times today, and we were just — the anxiety was unbelievable this morning, anticipating what the results were going to be. And we, you know, just again, were almost flabbergasted to hear the news at the same time that everybody else did, that there was no phone call made prior to Dave and Robin or to Beth saying, you know, We`ve gotten the results and it`s not Natalee`s DNA. And so we were just kind of really shocked about the way that it was handled. And I know Dave and Robin are really disappointed and were looking for some closure, and it didn`t happen today.

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1011/23/ng.01.html



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: jen3560 on December 01, 2010, 04:33:50 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_81697.php

States wants investigation into oil contracts

30 Nov, 2010, 09:03 (GMT -04:00)

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WILLEMSTAD — A States’ majority adopted a motion yesterday ordering an investigation into contracts, which the previous government concluded with foreign oil companies. The MFK and opposition party PNP seconded the motion, a proposal from the coalition parties MAN and PS. However, another motion from the PAR to approach the Public Prosecutor was not carried.

During yesterday’s States meeting, Premier Gerrit Schotte mentioned that former premiers Etienne Ys and Emily de Jongh-Elhage (both of PAR) had concluded contracts with foreign petroleum companies. In this, it regarded confidentiality agreements with Repsol SA, Shell Exploration Inc and Murphy’s Overseas Ventures Inc  to exchange seismological information. Schotte said that it supposedly regarded illegal contracts, which the premiers in question had concluded without the required authorization decision. Former premier Etienne Ys responded to this by stating he had not done anything unlawful and that these contracts only regarded the perusal and analyzing of already existing seismological information.

Schotte repeatedly emphasized that the contracts were concluded with oil companies, with the objective to start oil explorations and that due expectations were raised with these companies, with contracts that supposedly were concluded in an unlawful manner. The Premier received support from his own MFK party during the debate. For instance, Dean Rozier pointed out that the former PAR-premiers had concluded contracts against the existing rules. “They had signed without the required authorization decision. It regards contracts, which the country may not conclude, whilst contracts may not be concluded with companies domiciled abroad. Moreover, in this the government acted against all advices of the Directorate Legislation & Legal Affairs.”

However, the PAR party did not accept the Premier’s explanation. According to the chairman of the yellow party, Pedro Atacho, despite Schotte’s argument in the morning hours, he was not able to prove that the previous governments had concluded contracts for oil and petroleum drilling in the Curaçao waters, as mentioned by the coalition parties in the election period. However, MAN States member Eunice Eisden mentioned that the PAR had tried to create confusion. “The issue is not whether there are contracts for oil drilling, but how one deals with the natural riches of this island.”

Approach OM
Both the coalition and the opposition parties introduced an own motion at the end of the debate. The motion from the coalition insisted on an investigation by the government into the contracts. However, the PAR did not think the motion went far enough and said that if the coalition parties had sufficient proof that the previous governments possessed contracts for oil and petroleum drilling, they should approach the Public Prosecutor (OM). However, the coalition was of the opinion that an investigation was to be conducted first. Eisden: “It regards more than just contracts. We must assure that this never recurs, and we will decide when we will go to the OM.” PS-leader Helmin Wiels added that there’s no sense in the OM conducting an investigation at this moment because ‘the OM, just like the Court and the Intelligence Service, are seriously corrupted’. An investigation would be advisable only after a parliamentary enquiry with the OM, according to the PS-leader.

The coalition’s proposal was adopted with 12 votes and 7 dissenting votes. PNP member Humphrey Davelaar voted for the proposal because he supports further investigation into how one dealt with this subject in the past. Davelaar also voted for the PAR-motion that suggested approaching the OM directly because the premier had stated that the contracts were concluded in an unlawful manner. However, that motion was not carried. According to Eugene Cleopa, the motion proves that the PAR party was prepared to lodge a complaint against their own former premiers.

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: dani on December 01, 2010, 05:17:35 PM
 :2waver:

Hi everyone. I've been lurking a lot lately, mostly from work. I haven't posted much yet, since I just got approved today and didn't want to post too much from work! Anyway, I'm going to give a quick introduction, but I am mostly here and curious about Natalee Holloway.

I'm 22, married to a submariner. Natalee graduated high school one year before me, and that's why I think I feel so connected. It feels personal. That same summer she disappeared I visited Australia and New Zealand, but of course at the time, I wasn't thinking much about what had happened in Aruba just a few months before. I realize now, that it could have been anyone -- and it could have happened to me or my friends (or anyone, again) anywhere, if the perfect storm existed. How many poor choices did I make drunkenly throughout college? A lot. I was an honors student, most responsible of my friends, the "least experienced" with boys... wanted to go pre-med to school, etc. etc. There are a lot of similarities. College ended up being a very difficult learning experience for me in many ways. I was raped twice within a span of a year and drugged once (we don't know with what -- too scared to go to the hospital) though thankfully I was saved by a friend before anything could happen. In talking about this case with my friends, we all know that most of us would have also made the same decision Nat did and gotten into the car with Joran and the Kalpoe brothers. In fact, some of us would have been proud! (It isn't difficult to see that Joran would appear attractive especially to someone who was intoxicated.) I have gotten into cars with strangers before. Everything parents teach their kids not to do... when you're young, nothing bad will happen to you & it's all a good story to tell -- unfortunately that is SO not the case. Anyway, I guess what I'm saying is I feel close to this case because it could have very well been me.

I do have a couple of questions. I've been reading a LOT on this forum and others -- but there is SO much information to digest. If someone wouldn't mind being patient with me... could you clear up a few things for me? I apologize if this seems silly to those of you who have followed the case from the start... I haven't been paying attention to theories and information until last week. I'm waiting on four different books to come in the mail. (My husband is deployed and if for no other reason, this is keeping me occupied. I highly doubt I'll be able to add any insight... my sleuthing skills are very underdeveloped!)

1. I've read in a bunch of forums that Natalee's key card was used a bunch of times. Was this ever determined beyond reasonable doubt to be someone else using this key card?

2. Following the key card... I've heard there was a picture floating around from security cameras of a girl who looked like Natalee, with her friend (she was named, but I forget who it was) but Beth said it wasn't her. Dave wasn't sure. Has anyone seen this picture? Why have we not seen this video? Furthermore, there was supposedly video footage of the hallway (by her door) but for the timeframes of the key card, NO ONE was in the footage? Is this sketchy, or has this been cleared up? I'm also of the opinion the kids probably used the sliding glass doors and kept them unlocked to get to each other/to the beach rather than walk around. Seems like something plausible. What happened with the person who claimed to have known for a fact Nat was in her room at 3 AM?

Lastly... I guess this is much more of a general comment. Now, I know in the U.S., it is hard to get a conviction for rape. Especially when drugs/alcohol are involved. I know personally my case was thrown out because I could not remember ANYTHING and the DA told me that because I could not remember if I said "No" that they could not prosecute. Some kinda BS if you ask me, as we are taught 'the absence of no does not mean yes.' (I hope this doesn't make you uncomfortable that I am so candid about talking about this. It still does bother me, but it helps to talk about it, and I am married to one of the most wonderful men on the planet and all roads led to him... I am doing very well despite some tragic events.) If Nat did accidentally die after she and Joran were doing whatever it is they were doing... wouldn't it have been easier for Joran, his dad, and whomever else was involved to cover up a rape? Even if she had been drugged. Wouldn't it have been easier to cover all of that up and write it off as a tragic binge drinking accident, than to forever have this hanging over their heads? I know that there is "no body no case" according to Joran's father, but, there is always the CHANCE someone could come forward with the truth. So I guess I find it hard to believe the scenario that seems most probable... but then again, I am a newbie.

I don't claim to know even an iota as much as most of you.

I'm looking forward to continuing to schlep my way through the archives and get somewhat caught up to date.

Sorry if I offend anyone... I know how forums can be, I'm aware of the pecking order  ::MonkeyHaHa:: and please just bear with me. If I do something wrong feel free to let me know.

Hope all of you are having a great day.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 01, 2010, 06:16:36 PM
:2waver:

Hi everyone. I've been lurking a lot lately, mostly from work. I haven't posted much yet, since I just got approved today and didn't want to post too much from work! Anyway, I'm going to give a quick introduction, but I am mostly here and curious about Natalee Holloway.

I'm 22, married to a submariner. Natalee graduated high school one year before me, and that's why I think I feel so connected. It feels personal. That same summer she disappeared I visited Australia and New Zealand, but of course at the time, I wasn't thinking much about what had happened in Aruba just a few months before. I realize now, that it could have been anyone -- and it could have happened to me or my friends (or anyone, again) anywhere, if the perfect storm existed. How many poor choices did I make drunkenly throughout college? A lot. I was an honors student, most responsible of my friends, the "least experienced" with boys... wanted to go pre-med to school, etc. etc. There are a lot of similarities. College ended up being a very difficult learning experience for me in many ways. I was raped twice within a span of a year and drugged once (we don't know with what -- too scared to go to the hospital) though thankfully I was saved by a friend before anything could happen. In talking about this case with my friends, we all know that most of us would have also made the same decision Nat did and gotten into the car with Joran and the Kalpoe brothers. In fact, some of us would have been proud! (It isn't difficult to see that Joran would appear attractive especially to someone who was intoxicated.) I have gotten into cars with strangers before. Everything parents teach their kids not to do... when you're young, nothing bad will happen to you & it's all a good story to tell -- unfortunately that is SO not the case. Anyway, I guess what I'm saying is I feel close to this case because it could have very well been me.

I do have a couple of questions. I've been reading a LOT on this forum and others -- but there is SO much information to digest. If someone wouldn't mind being patient with me... could you clear up a few things for me? I apologize if this seems silly to those of you who have followed the case from the start... I haven't been paying attention to theories and information until last week. I'm waiting on four different books to come in the mail. (My husband is deployed and if for no other reason, this is keeping me occupied. I highly doubt I'll be able to add any insight... my sleuthing skills are very underdeveloped!)

1. I've read in a bunch of forums that Natalee's key card was used a bunch of times. Was this ever determined beyond reasonable doubt to be someone else using this key card?

2. Following the key card... I've heard there was a picture floating around from security cameras of a girl who looked like Natalee, with her friend (she was named, but I forget who it was) but Beth said it wasn't her. Dave wasn't sure. Has anyone seen this picture? Why have we not seen this video? Furthermore, there was supposedly video footage of the hallway (by her door) but for the timeframes of the key card, NO ONE was in the footage? Is this sketchy, or has this been cleared up? I'm also of the opinion the kids probably used the sliding glass doors and kept them unlocked to get to each other/to the beach rather than walk around. Seems like something plausible. What happened with the person who claimed to have known for a fact Nat was in her room at 3 AM?

Lastly... I guess this is much more of a general comment. Now, I know in the U.S., it is hard to get a conviction for rape. Especially when drugs/alcohol are involved. I know personally my case was thrown out because I could not remember ANYTHING and the DA told me that because I could not remember if I said "No" that they could not prosecute. Some kinda BS if you ask me, as we are taught 'the absence of no does not mean yes.' (I hope this doesn't make you uncomfortable that I am so candid about talking about this. It still does bother me, but it helps to talk about it, and I am married to one of the most wonderful men on the planet and all roads led to him... I am doing very well despite some tragic events.) If Nat did accidentally die after she and Joran were doing whatever it is they were doing... wouldn't it have been easier for Joran, his dad, and whomever else was involved to cover up a rape? Even if she had been drugged. Wouldn't it have been easier to cover all of that up and write it off as a tragic binge drinking accident, than to forever have this hanging over their heads? I know that there is "no body no case" according to Joran's father, but, there is always the CHANCE someone could come forward with the truth. So I guess I find it hard to believe the scenario that seems most probable... but then again, I am a newbie.

I don't claim to know even an iota as much as most of you.

I'm looking forward to continuing to schlep my way through the archives and get somewhat caught up to date.

Sorry if I offend anyone... I know how forums can be, I'm aware of the pecking order  ::MonkeyHaHa:: and please just bear with me. If I do something wrong feel free to let me know.

Hope all of you are having a great day.

 ::HelloKitty::

Hi Dani.

I am thankful you inquired about these topics.  I have hundred of data posts encompassing the case compiled according to topics ... data posts I have shared on the SM forum ... data posts that do no good to the Natalee Holloway cause sitting in a backup file.

Janet

+++++

KEY CARD

John Q. Kelly - Key Card

Transcript: New Holloway Suspect?
Thursday, April 13, 2006

 
GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: In terms of someone using a key card in Natalee's room, I think a couple times after midnight, do have you any information about that at all?

JOHN Q. KELLY, FAMILY ATTORNEY: Yes, it's a non-event. The key card that was being referenced was used at 11:00 o'clock the next morning, too. It was used the whole next day by, you know, other girls. It was not the key card that Natalee had.

VAN SUSTEREN: Is the police...

KELLY: As a matter of fact, that's the information that Beth herself had tracked down from the hotel and turned it over to the police.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,191673,00.html


Dave Holloway - Key Card

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for April 5
updated 4/6/2006 12:40:43 PM ET


DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE‘S FATHER:  Well, we need to clear up a little of the smoke and mirrors problem.  I provided the police with the documents that they‘re referring to, the hotel keys, as a matter of fact.  Beth obtained those immediately upon arriving on the island and then provided me with a copy that I provided to the police.

Joe failed to mention that that same code was used again at 11:02 AM and 11:08 AM prior to them getting on—or leaving to the airport.  So key number one, which we feel like Natalee used, was last used at 8:30 PM the prior night.  So that key was not used again after the trip was over.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12187266/


Beth Holloway - The Card Key

Loving Natalee

Page 96:
 As I sit down to watch the tapes, a hotel employee hands me the records I've been asking for showing the key entries to Natalee's room on May 30.  Three keys were used.  Three of the four girls entered the room.  One did not.  I was afraid of that.


THE HOLIDAY INN LOBBY

Edwin Comemencia - Hotel Security Camera

Aruba's Government Asks for Help in Search
Tuesday, June 07, 2005

 
Aruban police in unmarked cars accompanied by FBI agents made a pre-dawn raid at 5 a.m. Sunday, rousting two suspects aged 28 and 30 from their beds. ....

Authorities declined to comment whether there was a relationship between the suspects and other three, earlier described as students — two Surinamese and a native of the Netherlands — who told police they dropped off Holloway at her hotel around 2 a.m. on May 30. Hotel employees, however, say that security cameras did not record her return.

Comemencia also said that he didn't believe Holloway ever returned to her hotel. "The investigation looks like, that night, she never returned to her hotel," Comemencia told FOX News.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,158666,00.html


Robert S. Mueller, III - FBI Director

DISAPPEARANCE OF NATALEE ANN HOLLOWAY
June 7, 2005

 
Holloway did not return to her hotel room, and her personal belongings remained in her room.

ROBERT S. MUELLER, III
DIRECTOR
FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
WASHINGTON, D.C. 20535
TELEPHONE: (202) 324-3000

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/seekinfo/holloway.htm


Jody Bearman - Students in the Lobby

Aruba police ignored evidence: Natalee's family nabbed suspects
18 June 2005

  
"She had been missing less than 24 hours and we had all three names and addresses, so it's just disappointing that they weren't able to move faster," said Jody Bearman, who organized the trip to Aruba for 125 students from Mountain Brook High School and seven chaperones. ....

Van der Sloot claimed he left Holloway outside the Holiday Inn resort where the group was staying after they took a late-night trip to a scenic lighthouse, Bearman said, and he even accompanied the family to the hotel to show them the exact spot where she was dropped off.

His story didn't add up, though, according to Bearman.

"We started pressing him on that because we had students who were in the lobby until 5 a.m., and she never arrived," she said.

http://www.cdnn.info/news/travel/t050618.html


John Q. Kelly - The Grainy Video

Transcript: New Holloway Suspect?
Thursday, April 13, 2006


GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Julia Renfro said that she had seen a video at about 3:00 o'clock in the morning at the Holiday Inn, very grainy, that it could have been — she didn't know for sure — could have been Natalee, that Beth Holloway Twitty has looked at it and said she does not think it's Natalee. But my question was whether the tape had ever been turned over to professionals for enhancement, so we could sort of put that one to rest? Do you know anything about this video?

JOHN Q. KELLY, FAMILY ATTORNEY: Sure. I know Beth looked at it very carefully, and very definitively said it was not Natalee. And that's really...

VAN SUSTEREN: But has it ever been enhanced, just on the wild shot it could tell something more?

KELLY: That I don't know. She seemed very comfortable being very definitive about the fact it was not Natalee without it being enhanced.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,191673,00.html


Beth Holloway - The Grainy Video

Loving Natalee

Page 96
:  The black and white footage plays.  Suddenly a girl with light hair crosses the threshold of the lobby.  The video is grainy, but clearly shows the lobby entrance of the Holiday Inn.  I ask them to rewind it and play it again.  I recognize her.  I want it to be Natalee, but know it's not.  It's Mat's daughter.  I ask to see it again.  Again.  Again.  Play it once more.  Now again.  More than ten times they rewind the spot on the tape that shows this young woman coming into the hotel and stopping at the front desk to get a key.  I so want it to be my daughter.  Maybe if I look at it enough times I can make it her.  Please!  Play it again.  Slow it down.  Now pause it.  Please, be Natalee.  But it isn't.  I already know the second time I see it that it isn't her.  The tapes play out.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 01, 2010, 06:18:31 PM
Dana s/b Dani

I apologize Dani.

Janet

Fixed.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 01, 2010, 06:19:12 PM
Welcome Dani.

I think you will find that Natalee has never been seen by anyone or any
camera since she was seen getting into the Kalpoe car with Joran and the
two brothers.

I think Julia Renfro attempted to start some rumors that Natalee was seen
on camera with Pitbull and then retracted her statements.

Good luck on your research.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 01, 2010, 06:30:14 PM
Dana s/b Dani

I apologize Dani.

Janet

Fixed.

Thanks 2NJ

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: dani on December 01, 2010, 06:54:58 PM
Thank you for your responses!

I was only curious about the video footage since I had read somewhere that she was seen in footage from HI with another girl, and that when analyzed for gait, body type, etc., and compared to the casino footage it seemed like it was her. But, there were a lot of other thin blonde girls on the trip... I just wish we could see this footage for ourselves!

The key card issue can be explained a million different ways, I was just curious. I always lose my hotel key cards and have to get new ones, or trade with whomever I'm with, so it definitely can be easy to mess them up.

I'm not really expecting to come to any conclusions that I feel mostly comfortable with. There are many different theories and speculations from this forum alone that I am drawn to, even when they are polar opposites! To be a fly on the wall... I wish I knew some of the MB students. Not that any of them would appreciate being bothered with it. But I feel like they were awfully quiet. I cannot imagine feeling the guilt they must have felt for not having done something different...

If only I could bring my laptop to the gym with me and read as I worked out!  ::MonkeyNoNo:: I'm so curious, but there's not enough time in the day to read all I want to read!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: kkthy on December 01, 2010, 08:28:00 PM
I don't know how to quote from several posts so I'll just post without the quotes.  Thank you for your comments and kind words.  This board has so much information and that is why I kept coming back here and lurking.  It wasn't long before I felt I could share my experience.

You want to hear something very strange?  A co-worker of mine has a niece that is in charge of an upcoming seminar here in CT.  She is also responsible for picking up the speaker at the airport and transporting them to the seminar.  Her niece called her immediately because.... guess who the speaker is?  ................ Beth Holloway!  She is giving a talk on safety and what "One bad decision" can do.  I don't have the details of the exact name/title of the talk and the exact location as yet, but she is coming to CT some time in January for this seminar.  My co-worker asked if we wanted tickets to go an of course I said YES. 

I have felt sort of pulled toward Natalee's story since my vacation.  We began our vacation with Beth confronting Joran in the prison in Peru....  We ended our vacation finding a jaw bone... and now Beth Holloway is coming to CT and I may be able to meet her and perhaps even be able to give her a hug.  It is a feeling like someone/something is trying to make sure we don't forget.  Were we close to Natalee?  Does the jaw bone belong to someone who is trying to make sure people don't give up?  It's just a weird feeling... sort of spiritual.  My apologies if this all sounds strange but it's such a strong feeling that I have.

Anyhoo..  I just wanted to thank everyone for your comments.  This site is great and it is clear that you all really care.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: dani on December 01, 2010, 08:39:35 PM
I don't know how to quote from several posts so I'll just post without the quotes.  Thank you for your comments and kind words.  This board has so much information and that is why I kept coming back here and lurking.  It wasn't long before I felt I could share my experience.

You want to hear something very strange?  A co-worker of mine has a niece that is in charge of an upcoming seminar here in CT.  She is also responsible for picking up the speaker at the airport and transporting them to the seminar.  Her niece called her immediately because.... guess who the speaker is?  ................ Beth Holloway!  She is giving a talk on safety and what "One bad decision" can do.  I don't have the details of the exact name/title of the talk and the exact location as yet, but she is coming to CT some time in January for this seminar.  My co-worker asked if we wanted tickets to go an of course I said YES. 

I have felt sort of pulled toward Natalee's story since my vacation.  We began our vacation with Beth confronting Joran in the prison in Peru....  We ended our vacation finding a jaw bone... and now Beth Holloway is coming to CT and I may be able to meet her and perhaps even be able to give her a hug.  It is a feeling like someone/something is trying to make sure we don't forget.  Were we close to Natalee?  Does the jaw bone belong to someone who is trying to make sure people don't give up?  It's just a weird feeling... sort of spiritual.  My apologies if this all sounds strange but it's such a strong feeling that I have.

Anyhoo..  I just wanted to thank everyone for your comments.  This site is great and it is clear that you all really care.

kkthy, I'm also in CT. I'd love details about this!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 01, 2010, 09:01:25 PM
I don't know how to quote from several posts so I'll just post without the quotes.  Thank you for your comments and kind words.  This board has so much information and that is why I kept coming back here and lurking.  It wasn't long before I felt I could share my experience.

You want to hear something very strange?  A co-worker of mine has a niece that is in charge of an upcoming seminar here in CT.  She is also responsible for picking up the speaker at the airport and transporting them to the seminar.  Her niece called her immediately because.... guess who the speaker is?  ................ Beth Holloway!  She is giving a talk on safety and what "One bad decision" can do.  I don't have the details of the exact name/title of the talk and the exact location as yet, but she is coming to CT some time in January for this seminar.  My co-worker asked if we wanted tickets to go an of course I said YES. 

I have felt sort of pulled toward Natalee's story since my vacation.  We began our vacation with Beth confronting Joran in the prison in Peru....  We ended our vacation finding a jaw bone... and now Beth Holloway is coming to CT and I may be able to meet her and perhaps even be able to give her a hug.  It is a feeling like someone/something is trying to make sure we don't forget.  Were we close to Natalee?  Does the jaw bone belong to someone who is trying to make sure people don't give up?  It's just a weird feeling... sort of spiritual.  My apologies if this all sounds strange but it's such a strong feeling that I have.

Anyhoo..  I just wanted to thank everyone for your comments.  This site is great and it is clear that you all really care.

Wow, it's like divine intervention.    ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on December 01, 2010, 09:16:00 PM
That's so neat! It doesn't sound strange to me at all, kkthy. Actually, silly as it seems to some, I believe Natalee was found when rainbows appeared in the sky. I'm not supersticious; I've just lived long enough and through enough to know that God has a beauitful voice that those who speak often with Him, come to recognize it.

Go see Beth.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 01, 2010, 09:45:32 PM
I don't know how to quote from several posts so I'll just post without the quotes.  Thank you for your comments and kind words.  This board has so much information and that is why I kept coming back here and lurking.  It wasn't long before I felt I could share my experience.

You want to hear something very strange?  A co-worker of mine has a niece that is in charge of an upcoming seminar here in CT.  She is also responsible for picking up the speaker at the airport and transporting them to the seminar.  Her niece called her immediately because.... guess who the speaker is?  ................ Beth Holloway!  She is giving a talk on safety and what "One bad decision" can do.  I don't have the details of the exact name/title of the talk and the exact location as yet, but she is coming to CT some time in January for this seminar.  My co-worker asked if we wanted tickets to go an of course I said YES.

I have felt sort of pulled toward Natalee's story since my vacation.  We began our vacation with Beth confronting Joran in the prison in Peru....  We ended our vacation finding a jaw bone... and now Beth Holloway is coming to CT and I may be able to meet her and perhaps even be able to give her a hug.  It is a feeling like someone/something is trying to make sure we don't forget.  Were we close to Natalee?  Does the jaw bone belong to someone who is trying to make sure people don't give up?  It's just a weird feeling... sort of spiritual.  My apologies if this all sounds strange but it's such a strong feeling that I have.

Anyhoo..  I just wanted to thank everyone for your comments.  This site is great and it is clear that you all really care.

 ::rhino::

kkthy ... my heart tells me that God is connecting all the dots that are leading you to attend that seminar.  The words that are spoken may be a stepping stone ... a stepping stone to a greater understanding of Beth's heartfelt  mission.

Janet

++++

A Mother's Legacy

Loving Natalee – Beth Holloway

Page 200
: My child. My beautiful daughter. I can’t save her. It’s too late. Natalee is gone. And second to the great tragedy of losing her is if we fail to learn from what has happened.

I could be any parent in the world. And no parent should ever go through this experience. Natalee could be anyone’s daughter. And in these thoughts a new path is made clear. There is something I can do. Many people reached out to us, and I can now reach back to them. It might be too late to save Natalee, but it’s not too late to save others. And it’s time now to make good on my pledge to stand before high-school and college students, law enforcement professionals, victims’ rights groups, travelers of all ages, and anyone interested in personal safety to share Natalee’s story and our hard lessons, so that others might learn from them.


Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC
 
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 01, 2010, 09:47:17 PM
Where and when is this seminar in CT? I know we have several members on the east coast that might like to attend. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 01, 2010, 09:51:13 PM
It is not Easy!

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 219:
In each city I have the privilege to speak to several high schools, churches, or law enforcement and civic groups.  This translates to thousands of youths and adults.  Delivering this safety mesage is my triumph over devastation.  If gives me great joy and is tremendously rewarding work.  I think that I can bear the pain of losing Natalee if it means that I can prevent another family from going through our tragic experience.  If even just one young person in tens of thousands is saved, then it's well worth it.

I ask young people to make a conscious decision to stay safe.  They have to make the choice.  And I'm not asking them do anything more than I ask myself.  I have to make difficult choices every day.  I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me.  It's not easy.  I ask God to help me.  And I know it's not easy for young people to think about choosing not to get into a situation in which they can't defend themselves.  But we all have to make hard choices.  Every day.


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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: cadillac on December 01, 2010, 10:00:39 PM
I don't know how to quote from several posts so I'll just post without the quotes.  Thank you for your comments and kind words.  This board has so much information and that is why I kept coming back here and lurking.  It wasn't long before I felt I could share my experience.

You want to hear something very strange?  A co-worker of mine has a niece that is in charge of an upcoming seminar here in CT.  She is also responsible for picking up the speaker at the airport and transporting them to the seminar.  Her niece called her immediately because.... guess who the speaker is?  ................ Beth Holloway!  She is giving a talk on safety and what "One bad decision" can do.  I don't have the details of the exact name/title of the talk and the exact location as yet, but she is coming to CT some time in January for this seminar.  My co-worker asked if we wanted tickets to go an of course I said YES. 

I have felt sort of pulled toward Natalee's story since my vacation.  We began our vacation with Beth confronting Joran in the prison in Peru....  We ended our vacation finding a jaw bone... and now Beth Holloway is coming to CT and I may be able to meet her and perhaps even be able to give her a hug.  It is a feeling like someone/something is trying to make sure we don't forget.  Were we close to Natalee?  Does the jaw bone belong to someone who is trying to make sure people don't give up?  It's just a weird feeling... sort of spiritual.  My apologies if this all sounds strange but it's such a strong feeling that I have.

Anyhoo..  I just wanted to thank everyone for your comments.  This site is great and it is clear that you all really care.
Sorry for the repeat, but I heard Beth speak at a prayer breakfast in Birmingham a few years ago,  You must go and hear her message - she is a great and powerful speaker.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: kkthy on December 01, 2010, 10:13:48 PM
Where and when is this seminar in CT? I know we have several members on the east coast that might like to attend. 

I don't have all of the details yet but I will post it when I find out.  I know it will be in January but I'm not sure of the location in CT.  I went online to see if I could find out more but I can't find a site that has info on upcoming seminars.   I definitely will be going. :)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 01, 2010, 10:19:24 PM
I don't know how to quote from several posts so I'll just post without the quotes.  Thank you for your comments and kind words.  This board has so much information and that is why I kept coming back here and lurking.  It wasn't long before I felt I could share my experience.

You want to hear something very strange?  A co-worker of mine has a niece that is in charge of an upcoming seminar here in CT.  She is also responsible for picking up the speaker at the airport and transporting them to the seminar.  Her niece called her immediately because.... guess who the speaker is?  ................ Beth Holloway!  She is giving a talk on safety and what "One bad decision" can do.  I don't have the details of the exact name/title of the talk and the exact location as yet, but she is coming to CT some time in January for this seminar.  My co-worker asked if we wanted tickets to go an of course I said YES. 

I have felt sort of pulled toward Natalee's story since my vacation.  We began our vacation with Beth confronting Joran in the prison in Peru....  We ended our vacation finding a jaw bone... and now Beth Holloway is coming to CT and I may be able to meet her and perhaps even be able to give her a hug.  It is a feeling like someone/something is trying to make sure we don't forget.  Were we close to Natalee?  Does the jaw bone belong to someone who is trying to make sure people don't give up?  It's just a weird feeling... sort of spiritual.  My apologies if this all sounds strange but it's such a strong feeling that I have.

Anyhoo..  I just wanted to thank everyone for your comments.  This site is great and it is clear that you all really care.

kkthy,

If you find out the details, please let us know, and if you go, it would be nice to hear your thoughts on all of it. 

None of this sounds strange to me.   We've been focused on Natalee's case since the beginning, and your experience has given us another view, even though it was a roller coaster ride that ended just like all of the other events we'd had our hopes up for.

Keep us posted.  Thank you. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: IBE on December 01, 2010, 10:33:05 PM
Welcome Danl,

You are in good company here. Give regards and thanks to your husband for serving and thanks to you as a military wife. Many of us here have done that.

It like a family.. our Monkey Family and they do lots of Great Works.

I hope some Monkeys can go to the seminar in CT. and let us know about it.

Order some more Christmas gifts via Amazon.com and used the link on these pages. I get neat books, etc. and it helps keep the Forum going. Win win


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: billb's daughter on December 01, 2010, 10:58:44 PM
I don't know how to quote from several posts so I'll just post without the quotes.  Thank you for your comments and kind words.  This board has so much information and that is why I kept coming back here and lurking.  It wasn't long before I felt I could share my experience.

You want to hear something very strange?  A co-worker of mine has a niece that is in charge of an upcoming seminar here in CT.  She is also responsible for picking up the speaker at the airport and transporting them to the seminar.  Her niece called her immediately because.... guess who the speaker is?  ................ Beth Holloway!  She is giving a talk on safety and what "One bad decision" can do.  I don't have the details of the exact name/title of the talk and the exact location as yet, but she is coming to CT some time in January for this seminar.  My co-worker asked if we wanted tickets to go an of course I said YES. 

I have felt sort of pulled toward Natalee's story since my vacation.  We began our vacation with Beth confronting Joran in the prison in Peru....  We ended our vacation finding a jaw bone... and now Beth Holloway is coming to CT and I may be able to meet her and perhaps even be able to give her a hug.  It is a feeling like someone/something is trying to make sure we don't forget.  Were we close to Natalee?  Does the jaw bone belong to someone who is trying to make sure people don't give up?  It's just a weird feeling... sort of spiritual.  My apologies if this all sounds strange but it's such a strong feeling that I have.

Anyhoo..  I just wanted to thank everyone for your comments.  This site is great and it is clear that you all really care.

Wow, it's like divine intervention.    ::MonkeyEek::
Yes....Yes...It does.... ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 01, 2010, 11:17:17 PM
Sorry for the repeat, but I heard Beth speak at a prayer breakfast in Birmingham a few years ago,  You must go and hear her message - she is a great and powerful speaker.

cadillac

I'm jealous.

I wish Beth would come to Western British Columbia or Western Washington on a speaking engagement.  In October, 2007 ... my DIL and were going to drive to the Seattle area for Beth's book signing.  It didn't happen.  A family emergency.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: cadillac on December 01, 2010, 11:46:37 PM
Sorry for the repeat, but I heard Beth speak at a prayer breakfast in Birmingham a few years ago,  You must go and hear her message - she is a great and powerful speaker.

cadillac

I'm jealous.

I wish Beth would come to Western British Columbia or Western Washington on a speaking engagement.  In October, 2007 ... my DIL and were going to drive to the Seattle area for Beth's book signing.  It didn't happen.  A family emergency.

Janet

One of the messages I took from it was how people from all faiths wished/prayed for the truth.  It mattered not what culture or religion or faith in the world one was, just how everyone wanted a mother to find her dauhgter.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 02, 2010, 12:16:46 AM
http://www.diario.aw/2010/11/ta-investigando-con-e-informacion-bisando-cu-ta-weso-di-muher-hoben-a-sali-afo/

Papiamentu translation:

is investigando con the informacion saying cu is bone of muher young owing to leave afo

publication: tuesday, 30 november 2010. categoria: general

according minister arthur dowers,

oranjestad(aan): monday during conferencia of prensa of minister of husticia arthur dowers, prensa owing to puntre tocante the informacion cu owing to leave pafo at prensa internacional, hour cu the cachete cu diente owing to wordo achieve close of sea. the minister owing to trece fast cu the is satisfecho for thing owing to wordo discuti one time happen, esta cu will place one person of or.m responsible for give informacion for thing is the caso of natalee holloway. this is for preveni for as mucho bit, or mucho much is wordo tell. owing to place advocate general taco stein because; the person encarga cu comunicacion in the caso here. the minister owing to tell cu the is satisfecho con this is bayendo.

sinembargo in the asunto where cu the achieve bone on beach alas informacion owing to leave mucho trempan y this owing to crea one situation of incertidumbre close the family also y esey is lamentable.

much prensa internacional owing to come aruba again y much speculacion did take lugar. this according the minister, that owing to tell cu presencia of prensa internacional not necesariamente owing to place we in one luz positive.

“pesey in future we have to percura for canaliza all aspecto more mihor, but i am feel yet cu we is much more prepara at the instant here, compara cu time cu natalee owing to desaparece”. this according the mandatario, that owing to follow tell cue is feel cu the comunicacion is bayendo at one as enough optimal.

if follow so, we can preveni cualkier damage at country aruba.
prensa owing to ask about the minister tocante the mature cu the informacion tocante the bone owing to leave for of trempan, where cu will owing to wordo tell cu the bone is of one muher young.

according minister dowers, the is lamenta cu the informacion owing to leave trempan on caya y the is investigando for achieve know dicon the informacion owing to leave, because all esnan cu is envolvi in the trayecto of husticia hour achieve algo, have to percura for none informacion leave, till at instant cu have the informacion corecto y cu this leave afo atravez of the canal cu gobierno owing to word. the minister owing to tell cu the damage relaciona cu this owing to stay much limita.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Papiamentu/Spanish translation:

is investigating with the information is Saying cu bone of young muher Owing to leave afo

publication: tuesday, 30 november 2010. category: general

according Minister Arthur Dowers,

Oranjestad (AAN): DURING monday press conference of Minister of husticia arthur of Dowers, Owing to release the information regarding cu Puntra Owing to leave at Paphos international press, cu hour cu the cheek tooth Owing to Word Achieve close of sea. Owing to the Minister cu thirteen fast the thing is paid for Owing to Word Happen discussed one time, this place will cu one person of or.m responsible for Give information for thing is the case of Natalee Holloway. this is for preventable for as much bit, or very much is Wordo tell. Owing to place stein taco Because advocate general, the person responsible for communication cu in the case here. Owing to the Minister tell cu the is satisfied with this is bayendo.

HOWEVER in the case WHERE cu bone Achieve the wings information on beach Owing to leave much Tremp and Owing to this situation of uncertainty created one the family close and esey Also is lamentable.

Owing much international press to come again and much speculacion aruba did take place. this according the Minister, That Owing to tell cu the presence of international press Owing to Not necessarily in one place we positive light.

"Pesey in future percura We Have to look for all channels more MyTime, pero cu i am yet we feel is much more prepared at the instant here, compared to time cu Natalee Owing to disappear." this according the president, That Owing to follow tell cu cue feel the communication is bayendo is enough at one as optimal.

follow if so, we can preventable cualkier Damage at aruba country. Owing press to ask about the Minister concerning the mature cu the information concerning the bone Owing to leave for of trempó, where, cu Owing to Word will tell cu the bone is of one muher young.

Minister according Dowers, the regret is cu Owing to leave the information on caya trempó and is researching for the Dicon Achieve know the information Owing to leave, Because all Esnane cu envelopment is in the path of husticia hour Achieve something, Have to percura for none information leave, till at instant cu Have the information correctly and leave this afo cu THROUGH government of the canal cu Owing to word. Owing to the Minister tell the cu cu related damage "Owing to stay this much limited.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 02, 2010, 02:22:20 AM
My thoughts and prayers are with Stephany's family, and other loved ones. ::MonkeyAngel::

May they see justice soon!

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jun/4/dutch-suspect-peru-murder-chilean-custody/

Dutch suspect in Peru murder in Chilean custody

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/06032010_StephanyFloresRamirezFuneral_PERU.jpg)
Peruvian businessman Ricardo Flores, left, and Marielena Ramirez, sitting second right, attend the funeral of their daughter Stephany Flores in Lima on Thursday, June 3, 2010. Flores, 21, was killed in a Lima hotel Sunday. The suspect, Dutch Joran van der Sloot, was arrested Thursday in neighboring Chile. (AP Photo/Karel Navarro)

By Frank Bajak and Franklin Briceno-Associated Press  8:58 a.m., Friday, June 4, 2010

LIMA, Peru (AP) — A Dutch man linked to the 2005 disappearance of U.S. teen Natalee Holloway is in custody in Chile, facing potential murder charges in Peru and extortion charges in the U.S.

Joran van der Sloot was detained in a taxi Thursday after crossing the border from Peru, where authorities say the 22-year-old man is the prime suspect in Sunday's murder of 21-year-old Stephany Flores.

Authorities planned to fly van der Sloot back to the Peruvian border Friday morning, according to a Chilean police spokesman who spoke on condition that he not be named in line with department policy.

Chile's Interior Ministry was considering whether to send van der Sloot back to Peru, although officials say they have yet to receive an arrest warrant issued by Peru in connection with Sunday's killing of Flores.

A fixture on TV true-crime shows after Holloway's disappearance in Aruba, the Dutchman did not speak or even turn his head when photographers shouted his name as Chilean police escorted him, without handcuffs, into a Santiago station for questioning.

Aruban authorities didn't prosecute van der Sloot even after he was caught on video saying he had asked a friend to dump Holloway's body. The Alabama teen's family was outraged by how Aruban authorities handled the case, and now the family of another young woman wants justice.

"This isn't a coincidence, this murder," Flores' father, Lima entertainment impresario Ricardo Flores, told reporters after van der Sloot's arrest.

Flores, a 48-year-old former race car driver and sometime politician, buried his daughter Thursday in the upscale Jardines de la Paz cemetery accompanied by about 100 mourners. He called on authorities to immediately bring van der Sloot to Peru to face justice.

"It's not just about my daughter," he said. "There's a matter pending in Aruba, and we don't know how many more remain unpunished."

The same day he was arrested in Chile, Van der Sloot was charged in Alabama with trying to extort $250,000 in return for giving the location of Holloway's body and describing the circumstances of her death. Federal prosecutors did not say who was allegedly extorted, but filed a sworn statement saying that van der Sloot got a partial payment of $15,000 wired to a Netherlands bank.

Stephany Flores' neck was broken in a hotel room registered to van der Sloot, who police believe met the University of Lima business student for the first time the previous night at a nearby casino. Her body was found by a maid late Tuesday.

She was fully clothed and there were no signs she had been sexually assaulted, the chief of Peru's criminal police, Gen. Cesar Guardia, told The Associated Press.

"The room was a complete mess," he said in an interview. He added that no potential murder weapon was found, indicating the killer may have used his bare hands.

Guardia added that police are investigating why it took until Tuesday night for hotel staff to discover the body.

Van der Sloot remains the prime suspect in the disappearance of Holloway, an 18-year-old who was celebrating her high school graduation on the Dutch Caribbean island of Aruba when she disappeared May 30, 2005. He told investigators he left her on a beach, drunk. That's the last anyone saw of her. Van der Sloot was twice arrested in her disappearance — and twice released for insufficient evidence.

"If they have enough proof that he committed the crime in Peru, maybe, just maybe, that might help to get him to confess in Natalee's case. It just might crack him," a Holloway family lawyer, Vinda de Souza, told the AP.

A spokeswoman for Holloway's mother, Beth, issued a statement saying she "extends her deepest sympathy" to the Flores family "and prays for swift and sure justice."

Van der Sloot put up no resistance when he was detained Thursday about halfway to the Pacific coast from Santiago, deputy Chilean investigative police spokesman Fernando Ovalle said.

Peruvian authorities had issued an arrest warrant for him through Interpol after learning van der Sloot had crossed into northern Chile on Monday.

Van der Sloot checked into the room where Flores' body was found May 14 after arriving on a flight from Colombia, Guardia said. He was in Peru for a poker tournament and it appears he and Flores met Saturday evening at Atlantic City, the Lima casino hosting the tourney, Guardia said.

The police chief said Flores was killed between 5 a.m. Sunday, when the victim and suspect were seen entering his room by a hotel employee, and about 8:45 a.m., when two people saw van der Sloot leave.

"Various things aren't very clear," Guardia said, among them the killer's motive.

It certainly wasn't money, he said. Van der Sloot had no problem paying for his travel to Chile.

Truck driver Luis Aparcana said van der Sloot gave him 1,500 Peruvian soles ($525) to take him from Ica, a town south of Lima, to the Chilean border. The Dutchman didn't speak Spanish very well and carried two suitcases, he said in a TV interview.

Aparcana said van der Sloot appeared "worried, because he kept smoking cigarettes. He didn't have a cell phone but he had a laptop that he would take out, handle and then put back."

Lawyers for van der Sloot did not immediately comment. On Wednesday, a lawyer in New York who has represented him, Joe Tacopina, cautioned against a rush to judgment.

"Joran van der Sloot has been falsely accused of murder once before. The fact is he wears a bull's-eye on his back now and he is a quote-unquote usual suspect when it comes to allegations of foul play," Tacopina said.

The Holloway case has followed many twists and turns.

Two years ago, a Dutch television crime reporter captured hidden-camera footage of van der Sloot saying he was with Holloway when she collapsed on a beach from being drunk. He said he believed she was dead and asked a friend to dump her body in the sea. Judges subsequently refused to arrest van der Sloot on the basis of the tape.

The journalist, Peter de Vries, reported later in 2008 that he had documented van der Sloot recruiting Thai women in Bangkok for sex work in the Netherlands.

Associated Press writers Eva Vergara in Santiago, Chile, Carla Salazar in Lima, Kendall Weaver in Montgomery, Alabama, Michael Warren in Buenos Aires, Argentina, and Michael Melia in San Juan, Puerto Rico, contributed to this report.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 02, 2010, 02:24:04 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

and Stephany!
 
::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: dani on December 02, 2010, 07:17:49 AM
Depending on when the seminar is, I will most likely be attending. (Unless my husband is coming home on the same day! I can't miss that.) If other Monkeys are going, perhaps we could meet each other? That would be fun. I know I'm a newbie, but by that time I hope to have gotten to know some of you better!  ::MonkeyWink::

Good morning and I hope all of you have a splendid day...
I'm going to continue going through the archives etc. at work today.
Is there a good starting point? Cos I've been looking at EVERYTHING in no order whatsoever.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: can on December 02, 2010, 08:00:29 AM
I don't know how to quote from several posts so I'll just post without the quotes.  Thank you for your comments and kind words.  This board has so much information and that is why I kept coming back here and lurking.  It wasn't long before I felt I could share my experience.

You want to hear something very strange?  A co-worker of mine has a niece that is in charge of an upcoming seminar here in CT.  She is also responsible for picking up the speaker at the airport and transporting them to the seminar.  Her niece called her immediately because.... guess who the speaker is?  ................ Beth Holloway!  She is giving a talk on safety and what "One bad decision" can do.  I don't have the details of the exact name/title of the talk and the exact location as yet, but she is coming to CT some time in January for this seminar.  My co-worker asked if we wanted tickets to go an of course I said YES. 

I have felt sort of pulled toward Natalee's story since my vacation.  We began our vacation with Beth confronting Joran in the prison in Peru....  We ended our vacation finding a jaw bone... and now Beth Holloway is coming to CT and I may be able to meet her and perhaps even be able to give her a hug.  It is a feeling like someone/something is trying to make sure we don't forget.  Were we close to Natalee?  Does the jaw bone belong to someone who is trying to make sure people don't give up?  It's just a weird feeling... sort of spiritual.  My apologies if this all sounds strange but it's such a strong feeling that I have.

Anyhoo..  I just wanted to thank everyone for your comments.  This site is great and it is clear that you all really care.

"...  sort of spiritual"

kkthy, I understand completely.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: can on December 02, 2010, 08:03:39 AM
Depending on when the seminar is, I will most likely be attending. (Unless my husband is coming home on the same day! I can't miss that.) If other Monkeys are going, perhaps we could meet each other? That would be fun. I know I'm a newbie, but by that time I hope to have gotten to know some of you better!  ::MonkeyWink::

Good morning and I hope all of you have a splendid day...
I'm going to continue going through the archives etc. at work today.
Is there a good starting point? Cos I've been looking at EVERYTHING in no order whatsoever.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Good morning dani.

Good morning Monkeys.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: can on December 02, 2010, 08:06:54 AM
texasmom - thank you again for all that you do.  You are amazing!
 ::MonkeyAngel::

Justice for Natalee and Stefany!  ::MonkeyGavel::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Blonde on December 02, 2010, 08:15:42 AM
Where and when is this seminar in CT? I know we have several members on the east coast that might like to attend. 

I have talked to Beth on the phone and She has replied to some of my emails
 I would love to go too.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: San on December 02, 2010, 11:17:37 AM
Depending on when the seminar is, I will most likely be attending. (Unless my husband is coming home on the same day! I can't miss that.) If other Monkeys are going, perhaps we could meet each other? That would be fun. I know I'm a newbie, but by that time I hope to have gotten to know some of you better!  ::MonkeyWink::

Good morning and I hope all of you have a splendid day...
I'm going to continue going through the archives etc. at work today.
Is there a good starting point? Cos I've been looking at EVERYTHING in no order whatsoever.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I would go to the Important Case Document area.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?board=6.0


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 02, 2010, 11:37:12 AM
Depending on when the seminar is, I will most likely be attending. (Unless my husband is coming home on the same day! I can't miss that.) If other Monkeys are going, perhaps we could meet each other? That would be fun. I know I'm a newbie, but by that time I hope to have gotten to know some of you better!  ::MonkeyWink::

Good morning and I hope all of you have a splendid day...
I'm going to continue going through the archives etc. at work today.
Is there a good starting point? Cos I've been looking at EVERYTHING in no order whatsoever.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I would go to the Important Case Document area.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?board=6.0

And specifically read the Freebird documents first.  Then move on to some of the actual witness and suspect statements:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=615.0


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 02, 2010, 11:48:23 AM
Depending on when the seminar is, I will most likely be attending. (Unless my husband is coming home on the same day! I can't miss that.) If other Monkeys are going, perhaps we could meet each other? That would be fun. I know I'm a newbie, but by that time I hope to have gotten to know some of you better!  ::MonkeyWink::

Good morning and I hope all of you have a splendid day...
I'm going to continue going through the archives etc. at work today.
Is there a good starting point? Cos I've been looking at EVERYTHING in no order whatsoever.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I would go to the Important Case Document area.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?board=6.0

I agree San.

Also ...I believe in a nutshell Dave and Beth's respective books provide a great foundational knowledge of the early days encompassing the Natalee Holloway story.

Janet

++++++

ARUBA: THE TRAGIC UNTOLD STORY OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY AND CORRUPTION IN PARADISE
By Dave Holloway

Publisher: Thomas Nelson Publishers-Business (Mar 15 2006)
Language: English
ISBN-10: 1595550631
ISBN-13: 978-1595550637

LOVING NATALEE
A MOTHER'S TESTAMENT OF HOPE AND FAITH

By Beth Holloway

ISBN: 9780061452277
ISBN10: 0061452270
Imprint: HarperOne
On Sale: 10/2/2007


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 02, 2010, 11:49:13 AM
Depending on when the seminar is, I will most likely be attending. (Unless my husband is coming home on the same day! I can't miss that.) If other Monkeys are going, perhaps we could meet each other? That would be fun. I know I'm a newbie, but by that time I hope to have gotten to know some of you better!  ::MonkeyWink::

Good morning and I hope all of you have a splendid day...
I'm going to continue going through the archives etc. at work today.
Is there a good starting point? Cos I've been looking at EVERYTHING in no order whatsoever.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I would go to the Important Case Document area.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?board=6.0

And specifically read the Freebird documents first.  Then move on to some of the actual witness and suspect statements:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=615.0

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 02, 2010, 03:00:57 PM
 ::MonkeyWink::  ::MonkeyTongue::

http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=79

(http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery/albums/2009/July09/LFrogs22/LFrogs%20(51).jpg)

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_81767.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

First nationwide hunt for boas

December 2, 2010, 11:49 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Boa Constrictor Task Force organized three information evenings for the people of Aruba to learn how to house, garden and kitchen tool itself to catch a snake. This is followed on Sunday, December 12 the first nationally organized boa-hunting.

Boa Constrictor Task Force is a committee set up by the government was created. The idea of this commission, however, Greg Peterson and Diego Marquez of Aruba Birdlife Conservation. They frequently expressed their concerns about the increasing number of boas in Aruba, because this snake species the bird population on Aruba in danger. The Minister for Infrastructure, Environment and Integration, Benny Sevinger (AVP), acknowledged their concerns and decided to experts in the fields of environment, nature, tourism and veterinary issues together to the disturbance of boas well to address.
In early November the task force announced late November that they would organize a boa-hunting. That date is just not met. But the first hunt boas will be in December. To the good people here to prepare for, organize the task force first three information evenings. The chairman of the task force, Diego Marquez, underlines that this evening is absolutely essential for people who want to actively participate in the capture of boas. But people who want to know about catching a snake, are welcome to come.

Location
During the three information evenings, the volunteers are explained and depicted how a boa constrictor can be caught. Then also announced at which locations the boas hunt opens. Marquez hopes a large turnout of enthusiastic volunteers who want to help the government to protect the fauna of Aruba. "The problem of the boa is serious enough, but together we can do something about it," said Marquez.
More details on the first boa-hunt will be announced shortly.


Boa information evenings
The population of Aruba is welcome on the following three information evenings, to hear more about the upcoming hunting the boa. The first night is on Saturday, December 4 from six to seven o'clock in the evening, at Centro di Bario Playa Pabao. The second night on Tuesday, December 7 from eight to nine o'clock at Centro di Bario Piedra Plat. The third night is on Thursday, December 9, from eight to nine o'clock, at Centro di Bario Savaneta.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 02, 2010, 03:12:35 PM
Video at the link:

http://www.24ora.com/internacional-mainmenu-6/24929-yui-di-corsou-a-mata-su-chick-den-prison.html

Papiamentu translation:

yui of corsou owing to kill his chick in jail

wednesday, 01 december 2010 19:02

popup video

one cadaver owing to being achieve bury in the cel of one yui of corsou preso at lima, peru. jason sanford staling conquet naci 13 of july 1978 at corsou cual was close in jail of lurigancho after cu this owing to try trafica drugs y owing to wordo grab at airport. the cadaver achieve in his cel is deal of his chick lesly dallane paredes silva of 22 year of edad. lesly was visit frecuentemente jason in jail of lurigancho, the la close conoci cu jason in one another jail at callao mientra jason was accomplish one another sentencia. at december 2009 jason owing to wordo let in freedom y owing to try of formalisa the relacion cu lesly, but after the la end close again for try smokkel 30 capsula of cocaina for of peru. according the confesion of jason conquet all cos owing to cuminsa on 28 of august hour lesly owing to visit jason in jail, here after cu they owing to as relacion sexual jason owing to puntr'e if the is loyal at dje. lesly not owing to like the question y owing to conteste bad, even insulta jason y jason in his furia owing to choca lesly kill. jason owing to tapa the cupra without life of lesly cu his klechi cama, hour the guardia of jail owing to happen ask about for lesly the la bis'e cu the la bay end. 5 day after cu the curpa without life was scondi below ; his cama the la cuminsa smell bad y jason owing to ask one another preso for work one bank of cement. here jason owing to come bury the curpa of lesly under the bank of cement, where recherche of dirincri have to owing to using several herment for can owing to saca the cadaver for of cel number 4 of the hall 15 of the jail of lurigancho.

Papiamentu/Spanish translation:

comentarionan (1)
scirbi for weatherman, december 02, 2010

dog please put this element together with joran Provides that same caurtico past .... come across


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Blonde on December 02, 2010, 04:20:17 PM
Beth Holloway Twitty to Speak About Spiritual Journey at Samford University

Beth Twitty will speak at Samford University in Birmingham, AL Monday November 13 at 7:30 p.m. in Reid Chapel. Beth will talk about her spiritual journey from the disappearance of her daughter, Natalee Holloway, though the ordeal of dealing with Aruba and offer safe travel tips.

Beth Holloway Twitty, mother of disappeared Mountain Brook, Alabama, teenager Natalee Holloway, will speak at Samford on Monday November 13 at 7:30 p.m. in Reid Chapel. Twitty, who became the focus of intense international attention after the still-unexplained disappearance of her daughter from a school trip to Aruba in 2005, will speak about her spiritual journey through the ordeal and offer travel safety tips.

The event is free of charge and open to the public. For event information, direct email to esboggs@samford.edu.

Come to Samford University and listen to Natalee’s mom.    


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 02, 2010, 04:24:32 PM
Video at the link:

http://www.24ora.com/internacional-mainmenu-6/24929-yui-di-corsou-a-mata-su-chick-den-prison.html

Papiamentu translation:

yui of corsou owing to kill his chick in jail

wednesday, 01 december 2010 19:02

popup video

one cadaver owing to being achieve bury in the cel of one yui of corsou preso at lima, peru. jason sanford staling conquet naci 13 of july 1978 at corsou cual was close in jail of lurigancho after cu this owing to try trafica drugs y owing to wordo grab at airport. the cadaver achieve in his cel is deal of his chick lesly dallane paredes silva of 22 year of edad. lesly was visit frecuentemente jason in jail of lurigancho, the la close conoci cu jason in one another jail at callao mientra jason was accomplish one another sentencia. at december 2009 jason owing to wordo let in freedom y owing to try of formalisa the relacion cu lesly, but after the la end close again for try smokkel 30 capsula of cocaina for of peru. according the confesion of jason conquet all cos owing to cuminsa on 28 of august hour lesly owing to visit jason in jail, here after cu they owing to as relacion sexual jason owing to puntr'e if the is loyal at dje. lesly not owing to like the question y owing to conteste bad, even insulta jason y jason in his furia owing to choca lesly kill. jason owing to tapa the cupra without life of lesly cu his klechi cama, hour the guardia of jail owing to happen ask about for lesly the la bis'e cu the la bay end. 5 day after cu the curpa without life was scondi below ; his cama the la cuminsa smell bad y jason owing to ask one another preso for work one bank of cement. here jason owing to come bury the curpa of lesly under the bank of cement, where recherche of dirincri have to owing to using several herment for can owing to saca the cadaver for of cel number 4 of the hall 15 of the jail of lurigancho.

Papiamentu/Spanish translation:

comentarionan (1)
scirbi for weatherman, december 02, 2010

dog please put this element together with joran Provides that same caurtico past .... come across


Love the comment


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 02, 2010, 04:25:42 PM
Beth Holloway Twitty to Speak About Spiritual Journey at Samford University

Beth Twitty will speak at Samford University in Birmingham, AL Monday November 13 at 7:30 p.m. in Reid Chapel. Beth will talk about her spiritual journey from the disappearance of her daughter, Natalee Holloway, though the ordeal of dealing with Aruba and offer safe travel tips.

Beth Holloway Twitty, mother of disappeared Mountain Brook, Alabama, teenager Natalee Holloway, will speak at Samford on Monday November 13 at 7:30 p.m. in Reid Chapel. Twitty, who became the focus of intense international attention after the still-unexplained disappearance of her daughter from a school trip to Aruba in 2005, will speak about her spiritual journey through the ordeal and offer travel safety tips.

The event is free of charge and open to the public. For event information, direct email to esboggs@samford.edu.

Come to Samford University and listen to Natalee’s mom.    


Blonde
- this is an old one from November, what am I missing? 

I thought we were looking for the upcomming one in Connecticut?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Blonde on December 02, 2010, 04:58:30 PM
Beth Holloway Twitty to Speak About Spiritual Journey at Samford University

Beth Twitty will speak at Samford University in Birmingham, AL Monday November 13 at 7:30 p.m. in Reid Chapel. Beth will talk about her spiritual journey from the disappearance of her daughter, Natalee Holloway, though the ordeal of dealing with Aruba and offer safe travel tips.

Beth Holloway Twitty, mother of disappeared Mountain Brook, Alabama, teenager Natalee Holloway, will speak at Samford on Monday November 13 at 7:30 p.m. in Reid Chapel. Twitty, who became the focus of intense international attention after the still-unexplained disappearance of her daughter from a school trip to Aruba in 2005, will speak about her spiritual journey through the ordeal and offer travel safety tips.

The event is free of charge and open to the public. For event information, direct email to esboggs@samford.edu.

Come to Samford University and listen to Natalee’s mom.    


Blonde
- this is an old one from November, what am I missing? 

I thought we were looking for the upcomming one in Connecticut?


 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
I can not do anything when I'm hungry..


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Blonde on December 02, 2010, 05:01:09 PM
I just emailed her maybe she will reply


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: kkthy on December 02, 2010, 05:11:51 PM
I just emailed her maybe she will reply

The seminar/talk is suppose to be sometime in January 2011 in CT (Waterford, CT?).  I don't have the details of the exact date or location but I will be getting that info once my coworker communicates with her niece.  Her niece is the one scheduled to pick up Beth Holloway from the airport and transport.

Blonde - Can you share Beth Holloway's email address? If not, that's okay.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Buckeye on December 02, 2010, 06:08:49 PM
I just emailed her maybe she will reply

The seminar/talk is suppose to be sometime in January 2011 in CT (Waterford, CT?).  I don't have the details of the exact date or location but I will be getting that info once my coworker communicates with her niece.  Her niece is the one scheduled to pick up Beth Holloway from the airport and transport.

Blonde - Can you share Beth Holloway's email address? If not, that's okay.

January 13th in Waterford, sponsored by the Justice League.

http://www.waterfordct.org/meetingmins/YSAC111710.pdf   (see Director's Report)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 02, 2010, 06:18:53 PM
I just emailed her maybe she will reply

The seminar/talk is suppose to be sometime in January 2011 in CT (Waterford, CT?).  I don't have the details of the exact date or location but I will be getting that info once my coworker communicates with her niece.  Her niece is the one scheduled to pick up Beth Holloway from the airport and transport.

Blonde - Can you share Beth Holloway's email address? If not, that's okay.

kkthy - sorry but Blonde should not and I would never give out Beth's email address.  If you meet her at the event you can ask her for it yourself.

WARNING:  Nobody has and I'm sure that nobody would post Beth's email address in the open.  It should not be given out to anyone IMO


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 02, 2010, 06:24:07 PM
I just emailed her maybe she will reply

The seminar/talk is suppose to be sometime in January 2011 in CT (Waterford, CT?).  I don't have the details of the exact date or location but I will be getting that info once my coworker communicates with her niece.  Her niece is the one scheduled to pick up Beth Holloway from the airport and transport.

Blonde - Can you share Beth Holloway's email address? If not, that's okay.

January 13th in Waterford, sponsored by the Justice League.

http://www.waterfordct.org/meetingmins/YSAC111710.pdf   (see Director's Report)

Thanks Buckeye!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Rob on December 02, 2010, 07:28:40 PM
w0w, what a coincidence.

Someone finds a jawbone on the beach, happens to be there as their friend found it, takes it to the hotel, there is a speaking engagement in CT, where someone's co-worker's niece is the designated driver for Beth... and here's the kicker - asks for her email address on a public forum - the Natalee forum...

Stars, planets and moons must have aligned and I missed the announcement.  ::MonkeyWink::

I blame wreck  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Blonde on December 02, 2010, 07:37:57 PM
I just emailed her maybe she will reply

The seminar/talk is suppose to be sometime in January 2011 in CT (Waterford, CT?).  I don't have the details of the exact date or location but I will be getting that info once my coworker communicates with her niece.  Her niece is the one scheduled to pick up Beth Holloway from the airport and transport.

Blonde - Can you share Beth Holloway's email address? If not, that's okay.

kkthy - sorry but Blonde should not and I would never give out Beth's email address.  If you meet her at the event you can ask her for it yourself.

WARNING:  Nobody has and I'm sure that nobody would post Beth's email address in the open.  It should not be given out to anyone IMO

 ::MonkeyNoNo::I could NEVER give it out Sorry  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: wreck on December 02, 2010, 08:11:02 PM
w0w, what a coincidence.

Someone finds a jawbone on the beach, happens to be there as their friend found it, takes it to the hotel, there is a speaking engagement in CT, where someone's co-worker's niece is the designated driver for Beth... and here's the kicker - asks for her email address on a public forum - the Natalee forum...

Stars, planets and moons must have aligned and I missed the announcement.  ::MonkeyWink::

I blame wreck  ::MonkeyHaHa::
Still blamed for the meteoroid in Texas -am I??!!!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: wreck on December 02, 2010, 08:15:47 PM
w0w, what a coincidence.

Someone finds a jawbone on the beach, happens to be there as their friend found it, takes it to the hotel, there is a speaking engagement in CT, where someone's co-worker's niece is the designated driver for Beth... and here's the kicker - asks for her email address on a public forum - the Natalee forum...

Stars, planets and moons must have aligned and I missed the announcement.  ::MonkeyWink::

I blame wreck  ::MonkeyHaHa::
Still blamed for the meteoroid in Texas -am I??!!!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 02, 2010, 08:16:45 PM
w0w, what a coincidence.

Someone finds a jawbone on the beach, happens to be there as their friend found it, takes it to the hotel, there is a speaking engagement in CT, where someone's co-worker's niece is the designated driver for Beth... and here's the kicker - asks for her email address on a public forum - the Natalee forum...

Stars, planets and moons must have aligned and I missed the announcement.  ::MonkeyWink::

I blame wreck  ::MonkeyHaHa::
Still blamed for the meteoroid in Texas -am I??!!!  ::MonkeyCool::

:smt045   ::CowboySmiley::  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: kkthy on December 02, 2010, 08:39:31 PM
I just emailed her maybe she will reply

The seminar/talk is suppose to be sometime in January 2011 in CT (Waterford, CT?).  I don't have the details of the exact date or location but I will be getting that info once my coworker communicates with her niece.  Her niece is the one scheduled to pick up Beth Holloway from the airport and transport.

Blonde - Can you share Beth Holloway's email address? If not, that's okay.

kkthy - sorry but Blonde should not and I would never give out Beth's email address.  If you meet her at the event you can ask her for it yourself.

WARNING:  Nobody has and I'm sure that nobody would post Beth's email address in the open.  It should not be given out to anyone IMO

 ::MonkeyNoNo::I could NEVER give it out Sorry  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Blonde - I understand completely.  I shouldn't have requested it.  I hope to meet her and will then see if it is something that she is comfortable giving out.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 02, 2010, 08:51:11 PM
http://www.diario.aw/2010/12/varios-caso-di-personanan-desapareci-cabando-den-%E2%80%9Ccold-case%E2%80%9D/

Papiamentu translation:

several caso of personanan desapareci cabando in “cold case”

publication: diahuebs, 2 december 2010. categoria: policial

in trafico also complete of “cold case” cu will maybe caso for olvido

oranjestad.(aan): will is interesting for can place hand on the list of personanan perdi.

as is conoci have cantidad of ciudadano cu owing to desaparece y till cu day of today have none pista, niether family not owing to hear nothing more of they buskeda. owing to ask about via of police if acaso have one list of esnan perdi y owing to stay of averigua one que another. all the time is sperando for daily paper revela name of esnan perdi cu dato’s for her casonan here not die, for cada family cu have miembronan perdi or cu owing to desaparece achieve claridad.

as in they oracion they're beseech for achieve one claridad, contesta where my child, brother or family will can is. pakico do not hear nothing more of dje, that know y the pakico cu past owing to desaparece.

one person do not desaparece con cu is.

one of for another, as past owing to dicidi cu his problem personal not can wordo soluciona y past owing to bay in extremo. but have another casonan complica cu still not owing to leave at claridad; the motibo behind motibo cu the person (nan) owing to desaparece.

igualmente have several caso also relaciona cu asesinato, cual never owing to look at luz of day.
all the asesinatonan not resolvi till at the momentonan here, owing to stop become cold case.
have are of recherche cu experiencia amplio cu owing to descend cu pension y can make one suplica on they for form for of the are at home one team special for atende all the casonan.

among another of esnan desapareci y asesina during ultimo añanan y cu owing to stay without wordo soluciona.
assure famianan will sostene the proposicion here because they wanted claridad.
they not can follow live of do not hear nothing of autoridadnan competente.
is of wait for cu will can have oido for her famianan preocupa.

despite cu have informe adicional cu polisnan will is trahando muy provided that particular relaciona cu recientemente owing to come descubri kaak of one being human in area of one high rise hotel.
at principio was have very speculacion hour owing to become conoci cu two tourist owing to descubri the kaak y cu this will can is of the child muher mericano natalee holloway.

owing to send the kaak the netherlands y owing to resulta cu the do not of the child muher mericano. if the kaak is of one person young for cual police is selecta esnan registra because; perdi at aruba. owing to inicia cu investigacion for among another investiga datonan y history dental y also family will can wordo acerca for achieve more dato’s y finalmente if is necesario by dna test can conclui cu the kaak is pertenece at such person cu owing to desaparece.

in casonan of desgracia cu dead in trafico also have casonan of cual famianan never owing to achieve informacion of con is stop cu investigacionnan.
ministerio publico is menciona cu they have hand complete, but also is hear cu rapportnan policial on casonan of desgracia cu dead never is come cla y the famianan is stay in doubt.

in much caso of hit and run niether do not hear con owing to stop cu the casonan here, y can wait for cu the sistema new will can coge all caso y among they assure casonan important for wordo investiga y castiga the culpablenan will can termina cu one sun multa of 100 or 200 guilder, as pasamento in luz cora of trafico.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Papiamentu/Spanish Translation:


Several cases of disappeared personanan cabando in "cold case"

publication: diahuebs, 2 december 2010. Category: police

Also traffic in complete of "cold case" will maybe cu case for oblivion

Oranjestad. (AAN) is interesting for dog will place hand on the list of personanan lost.
Have knowledge is as much of city Owing to cu cu disappears and day till today Have none of track, family niether Not Owing to hear nothing more of They buskeda. Owing to ask about anything via of police if Esnane Have One list of lost and learns Owing to stay of one to Another. all the time is sperando for daily paper reveals name of Esnane lost data cu's for her house Not die here, for every family lost cu or cu miembronan Have Owing to Achieve clarity disappears.
They prayer as in beseech they're one for Achieve clarity, answers Where My child, brother or family will dog is. pakico Do Not hear nothing more of dje, That know and the past cu pakico Owing to disappear.
Not one person do away with is cu.

Another one of for, as past Owing to historical cu dicidi Not personal problem solving and past dog Wordo Owing to bay in the extreme. But Have Another complicating house cu Still Not Owing to leave at clarity, the strong and afflicting motives cu strong and afflicting motives behind the person (nan) Owing to disappear.

Also Have Several also relates cu murder case, which never Owing to look at light of day.
Not all the asesinatonan resolved to till at the momentonan here, Become Owing to stop cold case.
Are Have extensive experience of recherche cu cu cu pension Owing to descend and make one dog begs for On They Are of the form for one team at home Atende special for all the houses.

Among Esnane Another of disappeared and murdered last DURING cu Añana and Wordo Without Owing to stay solved.
famianan Assure the proposition here will sostene Because They wanted clarity.
They follow live dog Not Do Not hear of nothing of autoridadnan competent.
Is of cu will wait for Can Have heard famianan for her care.

Despit cu cu polisnan Have additional report will trahan is very cu Provides that relates particular recently discovered Owing to eat Kaak of Being Human in one area of one high rise hotel.
Have at first very speculacion hour WAS Owing to Become known tourist Owing to cu two Kaak and discovered the dog will cu this child is of the Natalee Holloway muher American countries.

Owing to send the Kaak the netherlands and is cu Owing to the Do Not muher child of the American countries. Kaak if the young person is of one is selected for which police recorded Esnane Because, lost at aruba. Owing to start research for Among cu Another research Daton and dental history and family will dog Wordo Also on Achieve for more information's and finally if necessary by dna test is CONCLUI cu dog belongs at the Kaak Such person is cu Owing to disappear.

Unfortunately in house of dead in traffic cu Also Have houses of which never famianan Owing to Achieve is information of to stop investigacionnan cu.
cu mentioned public ministry is complete hand They Have, But Also rapportnan cu hear is police on houses of misery is never dead cu eat the famianan is clear and stay in doubt.

in many cases of hit and run niether do Not hear to stop cu Owing to the house here, and can wait for new system cu the dog will take all appropriate and important house Assure Among They investigated and punished for word the dog will end cu culpablenan sun one fine of 100 or 200 guilder, as pasamento in hearts of traffic light.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 02, 2010, 09:57:45 PM
w0w, what a coincidence.

Someone finds a jawbone on the beach, happens to be there as their friend found it, takes it to the hotel, there is a speaking engagement in CT, where someone's co-worker's niece is the designated driver for Beth... and here's the kicker - asks for her email address on a public forum - the Natalee forum...

Stars, planets and moons must have aligned and I missed the announcement.  ::MonkeyWink::

I blame wreck  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I'll bet that Hot Shot will be there to hear Beth speak. ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: dani on December 02, 2010, 10:09:00 PM
I am quite near Waterford, so if I can attend, I will be. Keep me informed please! :)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 02, 2010, 10:21:56 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_81791.php

Google translation:

CURACAO

De Jongh-Elhage (PAR): Schotte is a liar

December 2, 2010, 13:36 (GMT -04:00)

PHILIPSBURG - MFF leader and prime minister Gerrit Schotte States lied when he announced that his predecessor Emily de Jongh-Elhage (PAR) without an authorizing resolution agreement with the University of Texas was made. De Jongh-Elhage said this yesterday during a press conference of her party. As she presented the conscious decision that authorized by Governor Frits Goedgedrag and herself had been signed.

The press conference was organized to PAR fiercely to bash Schotte, who earlier this week in a public meeting de Jongh-Elhage States and its predecessor and party colleague Etienne Ys had accused of illegal acts and false informing the national parliament. De Jongh-Elhage showed yesterday, like its predecessor a few days back, all allegations of the hand. The former prime minister accused him of Schotte of the premier institute of Curacao had been discredited by false accusations during a State Assembly to launch.

De Jongh-Elhage stressed again yesterday that it has signed no contract to drill for oil and that it is not without an enabling act had acted. "The only contracts that exist, are all times in Parliament. These contracts recognize the seismic data. When I was prime minister I have several times said in parliament, and these contracts are given to the States. I've never ever withheld information for the States. But the then opposition, now support the government, has accused me that I had signed contracts to explore for oil drilling. But there are no contracts. It has also become clear during the show by Prime Minister Schotte in the States has been increased. "

According to former Prime Minister Schotte lying when he says they would have signed without permission. She showed as authorized by 27 February 2008 the press and declared that Schotte aware of, but that he chose such information about its activities. The decree took effect on March 7 in Parliament, so the document can be seen. "Schotte has deliberately misled parliament and the people. In any democratic system is a crime, especially when a minister and a prime minister in parliament launches a lie. "

The PAR leader explained again yesterday that the contracts with Repsol and Murphy's decision not to authorize entered into, because it involves access to data from over thirty years would go. These contracts would be the country financially or legally bind somewhere. The contract with the University of Texas was different, because this study examined, with associated costs would be. This is an authorization decision is required and that is signed, according to De Jongh-Elhage yesterday.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Kermit on December 02, 2010, 11:30:33 PM
w0w, what a coincidence.

Someone finds a jawbone on the beach, happens to be there as their friend found it, takes it to the hotel, there is a speaking engagement in CT, where someone's co-worker's niece is the designated driver for Beth... and here's the kicker - asks for her email address on a public forum - the Natalee forum...

Stars, planets and moons must have aligned and I missed the announcement.  ::MonkeyWink::

I blame wreck  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I'll bet that Hot Shot will be there to hear Beth speak. ::MonkeyJnBox::

Probably in her cookie monster outfit.
 ::piggy::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: billb's daughter on December 02, 2010, 11:31:06 PM
w0w, what a coincidence.

Someone finds a jawbone on the beach, happens to be there as their friend found it, takes it to the hotel, there is a speaking engagement in CT, where someone's co-worker's niece is the designated driver for Beth... and here's the kicker - asks for her email address on a public forum - the Natalee forum...

Stars, planets and moons must have aligned and I missed the announcement.  ::MonkeyWink::

I blame wreck  ::MonkeyHaHa::
Yep...divine intervention.... ::MonkeyCool::
Blaming wreck.....priceless..... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 03, 2010, 12:18:38 AM
THE WORK YET TO BE DONE

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

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   It's the proverbial, Biblical conflict between good and evil.  It's very, very hard to fight evil because it constantly changes form and you never know who your enemies are.  And evil is always two steps ahead. From the outset we never had a chance.  But we didn't know it.  I'm taking leave of the island, but not from the work yet to be done.

Page 208-209:  The goal of education is twofold: to bring a message about personal safety to high-school and college students and to educate travellers.

Bad things happen everywhere.  But the difference we need to consider when something bad happens outside the country is the help available for the victims and their families.  When we leave these borders, we leave behind all the privileges and rights we're all accustomed to and often take for granted.  We have expectations that there will be a safety net of law-abiding official, no matter where we travel, or that our US embassy will come to our rescue.  But that's terribly naive ...


Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC

Mayday 360
http://www.mayday360.com/default.aspx




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 03, 2010, 01:15:33 AM
w0w, what a coincidence.

Someone finds a jawbone on the beach, happens to be there as their friend found it, takes it to the hotel, there is a speaking engagement in CT, where someone's co-worker's niece is the designated driver for Beth... and here's the kicker - asks for her email address on a public forum - the Natalee forum...

Stars, planets and moons must have aligned and I missed the announcement.  ::MonkeyWink::

I blame wreck  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I'll bet that Hot Shot will be there to hear Beth speak. ::MonkeyJnBox::

Probably in her cookie monster outfit.
 ::piggy::



I've seen her in that outfit.  Quite charming! ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 03, 2010, 01:18:36 AM
Sad...for Isabella.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6282&Itemid=1

Papiamentu translation:

at aruba not have structura con atende casonan of children

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2026%20122010/11292010_Bondia_IsabellaBennett.jpg)

monday, 29 november 2010

oranjestad--e hobencita of isabella bennett is at home again y yesterday was memey of miembronan of his church, for gradeci god cu the is back close his family. but the experiencia here was one another for show cu till still aruba not have one maneho cla kico have to haci at instant cu one child is abusa, is bay for of cas or cualkier another trauma.

if not was for her accion incansabel of the same family y some acolyte of cuerpo policial dedica, kizas isabella will not can owing to reuni cu miembronan of his church. al contrario.

cada caso have his storia, but mature is stay cu at instant cu the young not owing to go back cas y the family owing to beat alarma not had one reaccion structura of part of autoridadnan for inicia one buskeda. although cu some acolyte individual of cuerpo policial owing to dicidi on they self for give one hand, this not was form part of decision of the cuerpo self. was the own family, together cu one cantidad of acolyte of church cu owing to happen dianan is busca the child, partiendo foyetonan rond cu potret of the hobencita.

was ciudadano antoni gario that owing to see the young is march near of scol filomena at san nicolas. past owing to reconoce of the potretnan cu the family owing to part rond. at once past owing to dicidi for hib’e police y so owing to avisa the family. sinembargo, kzp owing to dicidi diabierna self, after of owing to talk cu the hobencita, cu not have nothing more for haci. not owing to neither percura for owing to haci one analisis medico of the hobencita, for see kico all can owing to happen cu n’e. according informacion cu owing to ricibi, the young was actua odd, y family owing to feel cu the was under efecto of drugs. the not was corda mucho cos, y more bien was complain of much dolor. besides, the young was show señalnan of fright.

but, for of kzp, the family owing to ricibi the message cu is the muchamuhe self will owing to hinca his self in problem. this despite of the mature cu police self owing to interoga one of the child hombernan cu had the young. the muchahomber here will was the jonkuman of the child, but cu of one or another as, according can owing to compronde, not had the miho intencion for his own girlfriend. although cu police owing to detene the boy at principio, owing to dicidi for lag’e bay, already cu without one declaracion of the hobencita, they not can persigui’e for nothing. y mirando cu at principio, the conclusion was cu is the hobencita self owing to hinca his self in problem, not owing to follow cu the caso niether.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 03, 2010, 01:19:59 AM
w0w, what a coincidence.

Someone finds a jawbone on the beach, happens to be there as their friend found it, takes it to the hotel, there is a speaking engagement in CT, where someone's co-worker's niece is the designated driver for Beth... and here's the kicker - asks for her email address on a public forum - the Natalee forum...

Stars, planets and moons must have aligned and I missed the announcement.  ::MonkeyWink::

I blame wreck  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I'll bet that Hot Shot will be there to hear Beth speak. ::MonkeyJnBox::

Probably in her cookie monster outfit.
 ::piggy::


I've seen her in that outfit.  Quite charming! ::MonkeyShocked::
::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 03, 2010, 02:44:57 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

and Stephany!
 
::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 03, 2010, 09:38:01 AM
 ::MonkeyCool::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/album2/Images/336.zoom3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Blonde on December 03, 2010, 09:59:25 AM
Beth emailed me back

Almost positive it's Waterford? But will follow up first of next week ok.

She also wants to know who will be attending from Scared Monkeys. so please email me So I can get back to her..

Blondeonahd@gmail.com


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 03, 2010, 12:05:29 PM
Over and Over Again

NANCY GRACE
Natalee Holloway Case Update
Aired February 15, 2008 - 20:00:00   ET


JUG TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S FAMILY:  Beth has a ton of speaking engagements. You know, she travels across the country. And she`ll continue to do that. And I hate it for the Aruban people because they`re going to hear this every time she speaks to the high schools and the colleges in the civic organizations out there. It`s just going to be, you know, over and over again what happened down there.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/15/ng.01.html


I Stay Focused

Natalee Holloway: Lost in Paradise
TLC – 2010-01-17


Beth Holloway:  What I can do is hopefully share some life lessons and prevent this tragedy from happening to another family.  So I stay focused on what I can do rather than what I can’t.  I can’t get justice for Natalee.

http://tlc.discovery.com/tv-schedules/special.html?paid=2.1213.56293


Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC

Mayday 360
http://www.mayday360.com/default.aspx



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 03, 2010, 12:58:33 PM
Word to the wise.  I learned the hard way.  Never give your personal information to ANYONE over the internet, not even someone that you think you can trust.  It often backfires on you.  That is my own personal opinion and I know many that have shared personal information with no problems so far.  I just don't think it's a wise idea.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 03, 2010, 01:00:22 PM
Three months later!!  What is the holdup?

Janet

++++++

Van der Sloot: I've 'misused' Holloway case 'for my own advantage'
By the CNN Wire Staff
September 7, 2010 9:11 a.m. EDT


Also Monday, a Peruvian court voted 2-1 to reject van der Sloot's contention that he is being held unlawfully, but the court requires three votes to secure a decision. Alteza said that a fourth jurist will hear the case and cast a vote at a public hearing next week. If that judge votes in favor of van der Sloot, a fifth judge will hear the case to break the tie.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/09/07/peru.vandersloot/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Kermit on December 03, 2010, 01:06:37 PM
I've seen her in that outfit.  Quite charming! ::MonkeyShocked::
::rhino:: ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Blonde on December 03, 2010, 02:06:01 PM
OK I'm confused who said they were in the service and had a week off then went to Aruba to find Natalee they found the jaw bone HELP


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 03, 2010, 02:11:28 PM
OK I'm confused who said they were in the service and had a week off then went to Aruba to find Natalee they found the jaw bone HELP

????? posted that she & her husband went to Aruba on R&R to look for Natalee...it was before the jawbone find.

kkthy was with the person/friend who found the jawbone.

Edited:  I posted a forum nickname that may not have been the correct one.  Would have to research to be sure.   


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 03, 2010, 02:43:17 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_81609.php

Google translation:

May I ff 'Jossy'

November 29, 2010, 11:56 (GMT -04:00)

Email this article 
Print this article 

Filmmaker and writer René van Nie shows five days a week, from Monday to Friday, this newspaper in his own distinctive vision of all kinds of things in society. He claims reactions to price: vannie@setarnet.aw. Today: 'Jossy'.

Over twenty years ago I received private lessons twice a week in Papiamento as a grumpy teacher retired. All in all it took six months and when the old man hit the books close, looked me straight in the eye and said "thanks for the tuition, I can use it well, but otherwise this is not meaningful, because you never learn '. And really, because in all those years my Papiamento still 'sick' and 'lies in intensive care' with little chance for improvement.
Well I can quite manage without an easy conversation in Papiamento, but it was all still considerably more fun if I understood a little better could have. I look with pride and envy my fourteen-year-old twin daughters who are fluent in Dutch, English, Papiamentu and reasonable Spanish. But now I still only one dictionary Papiamento - Dutch purchased. Urgently needed to fully understand what the Papiamento-language newspapers have to say, because you never know what I get in - next to my favorite magazine Daily Herald - think of my liking for a column. The dictionary was compiled by Jossy Mansur, a man for whom I have great admiration, for it is a great writer, both in Papiamento, English, Spanish and Dutch, and I thought Jossy more than 40 books to his name. For the dictionary, I had to pay 60 florins, but it was by far the best and most comprehensive dictionary while not even the most expensive. Now I had this book also free of Jossy can get, but I'm just not Macamba pichiri, which I 'Dutch miser "means.
Together with Jossy I had more than fifteen years ago, the newspaper for Aruba. We were both half-shareholder, as editor of the things which I would run. It was a fantastic time, as a newspaper do not everyone. Certainly our newspaper because that was still very old fashioned. The articles and headlines tapping on the computer, printing, neatly cut and paste on the page. The photos were on a 400-pound machine in the darkroom processed, otherwise they could not be meegedrukt. Quite a puzzle, lots of fit and measure, because the ads had to say in it. So it was sometimes a very worrying for a neat page full. And that 24 or 36 times a day and evening, depending on the number of pages of the newspaper. At mid night we brought everything to the printers and four hours in the morning, fifteen people were roaming the newspaper into the most remote corners of Aruba had to deliver. That dream lasted two years and then a small Jossy has saved me financially by the newspaper to take over. Unfortunately, "our child" ultimately still defunct. It has cost us a lot of money. But without the support of Jossy, I was much worse off and had I might have to sell my house to get out of debt. I bought with love of the dictionary Jossy, let's just say 'give something back to. " And I am his to this day still grateful and think with pleasure of our cooperation during my time as newspaper magnate ", which I unfortunately could not storm the heavens. But I would at my age must submit a curriculum vitae, it was the editorship of this newspaper proudly at the top. Even higher than all the films I made. And that is saying something.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 03, 2010, 02:51:15 PM
OK I'm confused who said they were in the service and had a week off then went to Aruba to find Natalee they found the jaw bone HELP

Blonde

You are confusing two posters.  The poster (?) who went to Aruba with her marine hubby to search was not the same poster (kkthy) who had a connection with the person who found the jawbone.

Have a good day all!

Janet

++++++++

Local Man Finds Jawbone On Aruban Beach
Authorities Investigate Whether Bone Belongs To Natalee Holloway

POSTED: 8:25 am EST November 23, 2010
UPDATED: 8:55 am EST November 23, 2010


LEBANON, Conn. -- Investigators are expected to reveal whether a jawbone found in Aruba belongs to Natalee Holloway, who disappeared without a trace in 2005. But, details are emerging on how that bone was found on the beach by a man from Lebanon on a trip with his friends.

Both of the couples said that if the bone does belong to Holloway, they just want her family to know that they treated the discovery with dignity and have been going through a range of emotions ever since they found it.

The friends from Andover and Lebanon flew to Aruba earlier this month to celebrate their wedding anniversaries together.

They said the bone was found on the last day of their trip.

"It was out last day at The Phoenix," said David Knox, of Andover. "We decided to relax and enjoy the beach."

So the couples, celebrating their 35th wedding anniversaries at the resort, took a swim.

However, while Gil Beaulieu's wife and friends sat in the sun, he strolled the beach.

"Gil was trying to find that perfect shell," Knox said.

Beaulieu said, "I noticed there wasn't a lot of people in that area, so I thought maybe I could find some shells."

Beaulieu, from Lebanon, said he noticed a really shiny one that caught his eye.

"I picked up the shell first," he said. "Then I saw the bone. I hesitated because I kind of knew what it was right off the bat."

He said he brought it to his wife, an X-ray technologist who looks at bones every day.

"You do hesitate, because you're not expecting to find a human bone," said Eileen Beaulieu.

"All the teeth were missing except for one molar in the back," Gil Beaulieu said. "It was in good shape."

Such good shape that they could even see a tiny hole in the tooth.

By now, Kathy Knox said she had Natalee Holloway in her head.

"That was basically what I was thinking about," she said. "Is it Natalee?"

They said they put the jaw bone in a plastic cup and then Beaulieu and Knox brought it to the hotel lobby where security took it.

After dinner, a note in their hotel door requested they call police right away.

That's when it was real," Knox said.

Authorities are now analyzing the bone to see if it belongs to Holloway.

And if it is, Eileen Beaulieu said she want's Halloway's mother to know they took care of it respectfully.

"I'd want her to know that we took care of it. We treated it with dignity," Beaulieu said.

"I began to think of the family," said Kathy Knox. "You know, if this is Natalee maybe the family can have some closure."

And if not, at least, perhaps answers for someone.

Fighting back tears, Kathy Knox said, "I don't even know the family, but if my child was missing I can't even imagine being as strong as she has been."

"We all hope very much that this puts an end to somebody's heartache," Gil Beaulieu said.

Video Interview:
http://www.wfsb.com/news/25889547/detail.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Blonde on December 03, 2010, 02:57:53 PM
Janet ,Thank You I was confused.. ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 03, 2010, 05:31:25 PM
Steve Croes, DJ Diablo

http://www.24ora.com/entretenimento-mainmenu-12/24984-dj-local-a-sali-rumbo-pa-sint-maarten-pa-respresenta-aruba.html

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1...images.stories.news.2010.december.dec03.diablo.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

dj local owing to leave direction for sint maarten for respresenta aruba

friday, 03 december 2010 13:53

diabierna morning trempan on vuelo of insel air owing to leave for of aruba the conocido dj devil. dj devil owing to viaha for sint maarten for so representa aruba in one action of dj among aruba y sint maarten. sint maarten will is representa for mixmaster pauly. both dj have much experiencia in toca y this is hacie much interesting. the evento self will take lugar saturday night at the famous club tantra. dj devil is one dj much popular at aruba cu was dj residente of among another mambo jambo, seÑor frogs y moomba. 24ora.com is desea dj devil all clase of exito!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 03, 2010, 06:28:55 PM
And a fine representation of Aruba he is too  ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 03, 2010, 06:29:21 PM
San just scanned this for us.  Thanks San!

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/Enquirer1213.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Rob on December 03, 2010, 07:10:26 PM
Good evening all,

If you might recall, my entire point when Beth went to the prison was not Beth's right to confront Joran and get answers - I will always say that's her right. My point at the time was that Joran may try to kill her and he could strangle her in a matter of moments.

I also said that Godfather Peter R is quite capable of handling himslef, but Joran was with in arms reach and could do some serious damage by the time he would be restrained.

That was the only reason I thought going to the prison was a bad idea - and Joran always proves me right.

I have some holiday wishes for the Sloots. That they all die painful miserable deaths - each and everyone of them. I hope that the pain is long lasting, and feels never ending.

Cheers.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Rob on December 03, 2010, 07:13:40 PM
BTW - Thanks San for the article - That one looks entirely believable.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 03, 2010, 07:17:31 PM
BTW - Thanks San for the article - That one looks entirely believable.

Rob,

I agree.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: carpe noctem on December 03, 2010, 07:57:11 PM
My money is on the mad momma on a mission from Alabama! She`d  b-slap him to the ground and rip his eyes out.  Love ya, Beth.  ::HelloKitty:: Keep bringing the pain - keep the heat on.


The Van der sloots are made of nothing.

That`s why they drop dead playing tennis.

The first rule of living - Have a reason. ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 03, 2010, 08:06:26 PM
My money is on the mad momma on a mission from Alabama! She`d  b-slap him to the ground and rip his eyes out.  Love ya, Beth.  ::HelloKitty:: Keep bringing the pain - keep the heat on.


The Van der sloots are made of nothing.

That`s why they drop dead playing tennis.

The first rule of living - Have a reason. ::MonkeyBike::

 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 03, 2010, 08:15:00 PM
San just scanned this for us.  Thanks San!

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/Enquirer1213.jpg)

Thanks San!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: San on December 03, 2010, 08:27:55 PM
Good evening all,

If you might recall, my entire point when Beth went to the prison was not Beth's right to confront Joran and get answers - I will always say that's her right. My point at the time was that Joran may try to kill her and he could strangle her in a matter of moments.

I also said that Godfather Peter R is quite capable of handling himslef, but Joran was with in arms reach and could do some serious damage by the time he would be restrained.

That was the only reason I thought going to the prison was a bad idea - and Joran always proves me right.

I have some holiday wishes for the Sloots. That they all die painful miserable deaths - each and everyone of them. I hope that the pain is long lasting, and feels never ending.

Cheers.  ::MonkeyAngel::

I remember you saying this Rob.  He was very capable of strangling Beth.  But if you remember I said Beth went in there nice and calmly.  She never gave him a chance to react because she didn't provoke him.  His anger came out after he had time to think about it.  Beth won't go to Peru again she did what she thought was right at the time.  She will never give him a second chance.

I too wish the same for the Sloots.

I have a message for Joran also.  It works both ways.  I hope someone sticks a shiv right through his eye.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: San on December 03, 2010, 08:29:32 PM
You're welcome to everyone who thanked me for the article.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on December 03, 2010, 08:32:27 PM
You're welcome to everyone who thanked me for the article.

(squeezing in)  Thank you from me too San.   ::MonkeyKiss::   ::bee::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: snoopy on December 03, 2010, 09:26:25 PM
My money is on the mad momma on a mission from Alabama! She`d  b-slap him to the ground and rip his eyes out.  Love ya, Beth.  ::HelloKitty:: Keep bringing the pain - keep the heat on.


The Van der sloots are made of nothing.

That`s why they drop dead playing tennis.

The first rule of living - Have a reason. ::MonkeyBike::

That's exactly what I thought Carpe!!  And I seriously doubt that she is worried.

San  thanks buddy.

Steve Croes..........yea tha's who I'd want representing my country....not.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on December 03, 2010, 11:53:06 PM
Thanks from me too, San!   ::MonkeyWink::

Joran hating Beth is not new. He's hated her from the moment she showed up in his driveway.

What's interesting and funny to me is that when he went one to one with her inside the prison, rather than confronting her with his hatred, he turned to chicken chit.

Big Ole' Bad Boy, and ruthless murderer of young women reduced to "I know you're a good, really good, person and can I just write you please?"

Well, after all, he was up against all of Beth!

You Go Beth!! He's skeeered of you!   ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Kermit on December 04, 2010, 12:05:44 AM
OK I'm confused who said they were in the service and had a week off then went to Aruba to find Natalee they found the jaw bone HELP

FloridaKatz
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Yes, it's me !!
Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #851 11/16/10 -
« Reply #190 on: November 17, 2010, 10:38:04 AM »
Yes Blonde my husband and I just got back.  We were there all last week.  He's on a 2 week break from his deployment in Afghanistan and he wanted to spend part of that time looking for Natalee.  I just got him on a plane back to Afghanistan yesterday
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8849.180


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 04, 2010, 12:16:24 AM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/25011-como-seis-denuncia-haci-di-rapemento-e-siman-aki.html

Papiamentu translation:

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1...images.stories.news.2010.CHARACHTERS.jeugdzeden.JPG)

because; six denuncia haci of rapemento the week here

saturday, 04 december 2010 00:46

the week here only the miembronan of jzp owing to achieve six complaint of caso of rapemento. if diez anja happen was have 15 agent at kzp trahando y cu less caso, today cu have much more caso the departamento is trahando cu less of 10 person y for colmo much month without airco at the keep of balashi.

the casonan of inmoralidad is much at aruba ultimamente y victimanan do not think two trip for entrega one complaint. minister of asuntonan social till even owing to promove one conferencia on thing is abuse of younger. esey is kibrando some poco the tabu y hendenan not have fright for denuncia abusonan cometi. for of good fountain have informacion cu the situation tog is enough earnest if see the kehonan cu owing to enter the week cu is behind back. actualmente the personal at jzp is trahando in one calor insoportable. this is bayendo for some month end. type of situacionnan so is haci the ambiente of trabao uno worse still.

god know what day the agentenan will have time for atende for example the six casonan here only cu owing to enter. one caso of inmoralidad is algo cu is take his time for can succeed acumula all evidencia necesario first cu go over at detencion. the casonan here majority trip is among the victima y the sospechoso cu owing to comete the acto. is uno contra uno y esey is haci the situation more dificil for investiga.

if not have good pruebanan on table then facilmente the sospechoso can leave pound although past owing to comete the acto. pesey cada agent of jzp have to of the espacio necesario for atende cada caso cu enter. jzp have to of more personal now cu the victimanan do not doubt for entrega one complaint. is wait for cu minister of husticia place much good atencion at the situation cu have actualmente tanto of the personal necesario at jzp because; also the airco cu have lunanan largo without funciona.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 04, 2010, 12:38:42 AM
San just scanned this for us.  Thanks San!

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/Enquirer1213.jpg)

Thanks Klaas.  Thanks San.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 04, 2010, 12:40:15 AM
Face to Face with Joran
Beth Holloway

Exerpts:


'I wanted to peel the skin off his face. I'm thinking this is it, this is my one chance and I'll never get this chance again.

'My eyes met his and we were face to face. The only thing I had left in me was just to speak from the heart.'
 
'Tell me what happen.  Let me take her home.'

September, 2010

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 04, 2010, 01:08:30 AM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/25010-dos-pa-tres-keho-mas-contra-docente-pa-inmoralidad-cu-alumno.html

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/12032010_24ora_VickGeerman_teacher.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

two for three complaint more contra docente (against teacher) for inmoralidad cu alumno

saturday, 04 december 2010 00:33

docente (teacher) vick g is deteni again. the conocido docente vick g cu owing to stay deteni some month happen for actonan inmoral cu alumno of scol owing to being let in freedom bek after of some day. esey not nifica cu the investigacion owing to termina. diahuebs the recherche of jzp owing to go back go detene. according the dianan owing to happen owing to enter more complaint of possible intentonan or actonan inmoral cometi contra more younger of edad cu is alumno. seems cu have casonan data of 2007 y 2009. the trip here vick g owing to escoge for stay keto. the have his advocate also cu naturally is consehe.

www.facebook.com

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/VickGeerman_teacher_Facebook.jpg)

http://www.minitecaiceonfire.com/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 04, 2010, 01:18:30 AM
Prior arrest in September

http://www.24ora.com/corte-mainmenu-29/21867-meneer-di-scol-deteni-pa-inmoralidad.html

sir of scol deteni for inmoralidad

friday, 10 september 2010 09:20

the conocido locutor of radio, dj of miniteca “ice on fire” y docente at one scol basico, esta vick geerman (di 39 aña) is deteni under acusacion of owing to comete one acto inmoral cu one student of scol basico.

update: today morning judge comisario owing to bay of acuerdo cu peticion of fiscal for prolonga the detencion cu one maximo of 8 day more.

the caso here have some week andando end. the victima even owing to talk at radio the time yonder for count ; con the docente owing to dun’e kiss in mouth at scol, etc. mature is cu the departamento of jzp of police owing to conduci one investigacion riguroso y awo owing to dicidi cu, for good of the investigacion, for detene the sospechoso principal. vick geerman is one personalidad of radio, is one man casa, cu child y cu is trahando for skoa dunando lesson at scol basico for of year 2003 end. have to tell cu after cu the alumna owing to count ; his parents, owing to entrega one complaint at scol y directiva of scol owing to dicidi of retira the docente at once. after owing to follow one denuncia oficial at police cu owing to conduci at his detencion now. today vick geerman will wordo present fast judge comisario for dicidi cu if his detencion is stay prolonga or not. come across

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

http://www.google.com/profiles/vickgeerman

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/12032010_VickGeerman_Googleprofile.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 04, 2010, 01:25:29 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

and Stephany!
 
::MonkeyJustice::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Lifesong on December 04, 2010, 04:56:17 AM

An update on the Superior Offshore Int'l Class Action lawsuit:  

Louis Schaefer, Jim Mermis, R. Joshua Koch and their co-defendents (including Merrill Lynch and JP Morgan Securities) have settled the case out of court.  There will be no trial. 

The settlement agreement was evidently reached on October 14, 2010, though they've been working on it since June.  The final settlement has not yet been filed with the court. 

Interesting timing considering Tim Miller's recent claims as it relates to Schaefer and a resuming of the ocean search on short notice.


Quote
Case 4:08-cv-00687 Document 198 Filed in TXSD on 10/25/10 Page 1 of 4

STIPULATION TO LIFT STAY OF LITIGATION DUE TO SETTLEMENT

Lead Plaintiff Charles Ognar, Individual Defendants James Mermis, Roger Burks,
Louis Schafer, R. Joshua Koch, and Underwriter Defendants Merrill Lynch, Pierce,
Fenner & Smith, Inc. and J.P. Morgan Securities, Inc., hereby file this Stipulation and
Proposed Order to lift the stay of and reopen these proceedings to allow the parties to
seek Court approval of a settlement.

WHEREAS, Charles Ognar was appointed Lead Plaintiff on May 20, 2008;

WHEREAS, Lead Plaintiff filed a motion for class certification on February 8,
2010 [Rec. Doc. No. 172], to which Defendants filed an Opposition [Rec. Doc. No. 182],
Lead Plaintiff filed a Reply [Rec. Doc. No. 189], and Defendants filed a Sur-Reply [Rec.
Doc. No. 190];

WHEREAS, on June 8, 2010, the Court denied Lead Plaintiff’s Motion for Class
Certification [Rec. Doc. No. 194];

WHEREAS, the parties soon thereafter filed a Stipulation regarding the
administrative withdrawal of the Court’s June 8, 2010 Order [Rec. Doc. No. 194] and for
a stay of the litigation [Rec. Doc. No. 196] to provide the parties an opportunity to
compromise their differences;

WHEREAS, on June 17, 2010, the Court issued an Order withdrawing the June 8,
2010 Order denying Lead Plaintiff’s Motion for Class Certification and staying and
administratively closing the case pending settlement discussions [Rec. Doc. No. 197];

WHEREAS, the Court further directed the parties “that counsel shall advise the
Court in writing within ten (10) days following the completion of mediation whether the
case and the June 8, 2010 Memorandum and Order should be reinstated”;

WHEREAS, the parties have reached a settlement of this case and, as of October
14, 2010, exchanged a fully-executed Memorandum of Understanding;


WHEREAS, the parties will file a Stipulation of Settlement once they have
reached agreement on terms and conditions related to the settlement;

THEREFORE, IT IS ACCORDINGLY STIPULATED by and between the parties
that, subject to the Court’s approval, the Court lift the stay of and reopen these
proceedings for the sole purpose of allowing the parties to seek Court approval of their
settlement, pursuant to Fed. R. Civ. P. 23(e); and,

IT IS FURTHER STIPULATED by and between the parties that the withdrawn
June 8, 2010 Memorandum and Order [Rec. Doc. No. 194] not be reinstated.

http://securities.stanford.edu/1039/DEEP_01/20101025_r01x_08CV00687.pdf


Case Summary:  http://securities.stanford.edu/1039/DEEP_01/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: kkthy on December 04, 2010, 07:30:43 AM
Thanks from me too, San!   ::MonkeyWink::

Joran hating Beth is not new. He's hated her from the moment she showed up in his driveway.

What's interesting and funny to me is that when he went one to one with her inside the prison, rather than confronting her with his hatred, he turned to chicken chit.
Big Ole' Bad Boy, and ruthless murderer of young women reduced to "I know you're a good, really good, person and can I just write you please?"

Well, after all, he was up against all of Beth!

You Go Beth!! He's skeeered of you!   ::CowboySmiley::

I agree.  I think he is very scared of her.  We wants her to go away but Beth is incredibly strong and is NOT going away.

The more that I read about this poor excuse of a person (Joran) and the corruption... the more angry I feel about this situation. :(



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: sharon on December 04, 2010, 07:48:27 AM
BTW - Thanks San for the article - That one looks entirely believable.

Rob,

I agree.   ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks San!

I agree as well -- except for the part where it says Joran has the money. I don't believe that at all.

Even if he is selling his pastry body in jail -- he couldn't earn enough.

Joran saying those things....totally believable. His 'macho' reaction to being made to look like sissy.

Stephany's father having more power than Joran.....totally believable as well, IMOO. I do not think Mr Flores will look kindly on Joran's latest threats against Beth.

jmo


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: blah on December 04, 2010, 08:11:48 AM
Anyone see the National Enquirer magazine with a picture of cops digging up bones in Aruba and it says something like Natalee buried in Jorans secret burial grounds, 5 more bones found or something like that?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 04, 2010, 09:04:02 AM
Anyone see the National Enquirer magazine with a picture of cops digging up bones in Aruba and it says something like Natalee buried in Jorans secret burial grounds, 5 more bones found or something like that?


Yes, it's here blah.   ::MonkeyCool::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9013.msg1269999#msg1269999


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: blah on December 04, 2010, 09:06:44 AM
Thanks texasmom!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Buckeye on December 04, 2010, 09:07:33 AM
Anyone see the National Enquirer magazine with a picture of cops digging up bones in Aruba and it says something like Natalee buried in Jorans secret burial grounds, 5 more bones found or something like that?


Hi blah

Try page 6 of this thread.  Scanned and typed.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Buckeye on December 04, 2010, 09:07:57 AM
ooops....sorry TM


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 04, 2010, 09:50:03 AM
Prior arrest in September

http://www.24ora.com/corte-mainmenu-29/21867-meneer-di-scol-deteni-pa-inmoralidad.html

sir of scol deteni for inmoralidad

friday, 10 september 2010 09:20

the conocido locutor of radio, dj of miniteca “ice on fire” y docente at one scol basico, esta vick geerman (di 39 aña) is deteni under acusacion of owing to comete one acto inmoral cu one student of scol basico.

update: today morning judge comisario owing to bay of acuerdo cu peticion of fiscal for prolonga the detencion cu one maximo of 8 day more.

the caso here have some week andando end. the victima even owing to talk at radio the time yonder for count ; con the docente owing to dun’e kiss in mouth at scol, etc. mature is cu the departamento of jzp of police owing to conduci one investigacion riguroso y awo owing to dicidi cu, for good of the investigacion, for detene the sospechoso principal. vick geerman is one personalidad of radio, is one man casa, cu child y cu is trahando for skoa dunando lesson at scol basico for of year 2003 end. have to tell cu after cu the alumna owing to count ; his parents, owing to entrega one complaint at scol y directiva of scol owing to dicidi of retira the docente at once. after owing to follow one denuncia oficial at police cu owing to conduci at his detencion now. today vick geerman will wordo present fast judge comisario for dicidi cu if his detencion is stay prolonga or not. come across

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

http://www.google.com/profiles/vickgeerman

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/12032010_VickGeerman_Googleprofile.jpg)


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/VickGeermanGroups.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 04, 2010, 09:51:42 AM

An update on the Superior Offshore Int'l Class Action lawsuit:  

Louis Schaefer, Jim Mermis, R. Joshua Koch and their co-defendents (including Merrill Lynch and JP Morgan Securities) have settled the case out of court.  There will be no trial. 

The settlement agreement was evidently reached on October 14, 2010, though they've been working on it since June.  The final settlement has not yet been filed with the court. 

Interesting timing considering Tim Miller's recent claims as it relates to Schaefer and a resuming of the ocean search on short notice.


Quote
Case 4:08-cv-00687 Document 198 Filed in TXSD on 10/25/10 Page 1 of 4

STIPULATION TO LIFT STAY OF LITIGATION DUE TO SETTLEMENT

Lead Plaintiff Charles Ognar, Individual Defendants James Mermis, Roger Burks,
Louis Schafer, R. Joshua Koch, and Underwriter Defendants Merrill Lynch, Pierce,
Fenner & Smith, Inc. and J.P. Morgan Securities, Inc., hereby file this Stipulation and
Proposed Order to lift the stay of and reopen these proceedings to allow the parties to
seek Court approval of a settlement.

WHEREAS, Charles Ognar was appointed Lead Plaintiff on May 20, 2008;

WHEREAS, Lead Plaintiff filed a motion for class certification on February 8,
2010 [Rec. Doc. No. 172], to which Defendants filed an Opposition [Rec. Doc. No. 182],
Lead Plaintiff filed a Reply [Rec. Doc. No. 189], and Defendants filed a Sur-Reply [Rec.
Doc. No. 190];

WHEREAS, on June 8, 2010, the Court denied Lead Plaintiff’s Motion for Class
Certification [Rec. Doc. No. 194];

WHEREAS, the parties soon thereafter filed a Stipulation regarding the
administrative withdrawal of the Court’s June 8, 2010 Order [Rec. Doc. No. 194] and for
a stay of the litigation [Rec. Doc. No. 196] to provide the parties an opportunity to
compromise their differences;

WHEREAS, on June 17, 2010, the Court issued an Order withdrawing the June 8,
2010 Order denying Lead Plaintiff’s Motion for Class Certification and staying and
administratively closing the case pending settlement discussions [Rec. Doc. No. 197];

WHEREAS, the Court further directed the parties “that counsel shall advise the
Court in writing within ten (10) days following the completion of mediation whether the
case and the June 8, 2010 Memorandum and Order should be reinstated”;

WHEREAS, the parties have reached a settlement of this case and, as of October
14, 2010, exchanged a fully-executed Memorandum of Understanding;


WHEREAS, the parties will file a Stipulation of Settlement once they have
reached agreement on terms and conditions related to the settlement;

THEREFORE, IT IS ACCORDINGLY STIPULATED by and between the parties
that, subject to the Court’s approval, the Court lift the stay of and reopen these
proceedings for the sole purpose of allowing the parties to seek Court approval of their
settlement, pursuant to Fed. R. Civ. P. 23(e); and,

IT IS FURTHER STIPULATED by and between the parties that the withdrawn
June 8, 2010 Memorandum and Order [Rec. Doc. No. 194] not be reinstated.

http://securities.stanford.edu/1039/DEEP_01/20101025_r01x_08CV00687.pdf


Case Summary:  http://securities.stanford.edu/1039/DEEP_01/


Thanks Lifesong!    ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Blonde on December 04, 2010, 10:16:21 AM
OK I'm confused who said they were in the service and had a week off then went to Aruba to find Natalee they found the jaw bone HELP

FloridaKatz
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Yes, it's me !!
Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #851 11/16/10 -
« Reply #190 on: November 17, 2010, 10:38:04 AM »
Yes Blonde my husband and I just got back.  We were there all last week.  He's on a 2 week break from his deployment in Afghanistan and he wanted to spend part of that time looking for Natalee.  I just got him on a plane back to Afghanistan yesterday
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8849.180


OK so they didn't say they found the jaw bone..
Thank You my Frog friend.
 I have got a pond now and it's filled with your friends ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: cadillac on December 04, 2010, 10:50:18 AM
Hey Joran -- Be careful what you wish for.  If you think Beth or anyone, for that matter, is skeered of you - then take a good look around.  You are backed in a corner now - with bars all around.  By yourself.  Karma is around the corner.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Rob on December 04, 2010, 10:51:05 AM
I went to the "Say No to pedophiles in Aruba"... and I can't help but wonder if this is a network to find kids. I know, that sounds sick, but this is Aruba.

I did see a 'who's who' list of all the common names. I did notice a Jennyree Geerman on the members list.

There looks to be some rather interesting names on that list of members.

I also remember when Jossy was gonna blow the lid of off the pedo network and name all the "elders" but that never happened. I can't help but wonder what some of these older guys are doing on that FB site.

It's obviously infiltrated by at least one pedo - and I did see some people directly related to the Aruba Dirty Polis.

They accuse Francis Maduro of being a pedo.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 04, 2010, 10:52:08 AM
Thanks from me too, San!   ::MonkeyWink::

Joran hating Beth is not new. He's hated her from the moment she showed up in his driveway.

What's interesting and funny to me is that when he went one to one with her inside the prison, rather than confronting her with his hatred, he turned to chicken chit.
Big Ole' Bad Boy, and ruthless murderer of young women reduced to "I know you're a good, really good, person and can I just write you please?"

Well, after all, he was up against all of Beth!

You Go Beth!! He's skeeered of you!   ::CowboySmiley::

I agree.  I think he is very scared of her.  We wants her to go away but Beth is incredibly strong and is NOT going away.

The more that I read about this poor excuse of a person (Joran) and the corruption... the more angry I feel about this situation. :(


 ::rhino::

Face to Face with Joran

Beth Holloway


Exerpts:

'If he thinks I've been pestering him for the past five years, he hasn't seen anything yet.'

'There is more to come … there is more to come.'

September, 2010

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 04, 2010, 10:54:18 AM
 ::MonkeyCool::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/album2/Images/337.zoom3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 04, 2010, 11:05:12 AM
http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Van-der-Sloot-not-Perus-most-notorious-prisoner/WbjNq4sK0U6QzOspmsOJhA.cspx

Van der Sloot not Peru's most notorious prisoner

Last Update: 9:33 am


Birmingham, Al (WIAT) Joran van der Sloot isn’t the most notorious prisoner in the Peruvian penal system. These days, he isn’t even the most notorious Dutch prisoner in a Peruvian prison. That dubious honor goes to Jason staling Conquet, a Dutch national imprisoned on a variety of drug related charges.

So how does Conquet get more publicity than van der Sloot who is accused of killing a 21 year old Peruvian student after she found material about Natalee Holloway on his laptop?

Conquet is accused of killing his girl friend after a sex visit in his prison cell. Since May 2009 Conquet has been in what Dutch website Nieuwsblad.be calls the” second most dangerous in Latin America (after the Santa Maria Jail in Mexico)” Lurigancho is a few kilometers from van der Sloot’s Castro Castro prison.

Peruvian prison officials, who are already being investigated over the visit by Beth Holloway and a Dutch TV crew to Castro Castro, are now dealing with this scenario: Conquet is accused of strangling his girl friend, 22-year-old Leslie Paredes Silva, during an argument after the two had had sex in his prison cell. Conquet told investigators Paredes Silva had insulted him and confessed to other relationships.

Conquet apparently wrapped the body in a blanket and hid it under a bed in his cell….a criminal master plan that worked just fine until the body began to decompose. At that point he’s accused of using brick and mortar from a prison construction project to brick her into the prison walls.  There was still enough stench from the decomposing corpse that the body was eventually discovered.

Sound pretty incredible? Prison officials say there are at least 14,000 people a day passing through the prison and it’s impossible for the guards to properly monitor and control. After the discovery of the corpse, the Peruvian police searched the entire prison finding large amounts of weapons, mobile phones and drugs.

Meanwhile, down the road at Castro Castro, Joran van der Sloot is still awaiting word his appeal to have his murder confession thrown out of court. His lawyers charge both coercion and procedural improprieties to his confession he murdered 21 year old Stephany Flores after she found material about Natalee Holloway on his computer. Flores corpse was found in van der Sloot's Lima hotel room five years to the day of Natalee Holloway's disappearance on a high school trip to Aruba.

Van der Sloot is still considered the prime suspect in the disappearance of the Mountain Brook teen but has never been charged by Aruban authorities.

There was an international stir in the Natalee case a few weeks ago when tourists found a jawbone on an Aruban beach but forensic tests in The Netherlands found no match to Natalee's dental records.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 04, 2010, 12:08:48 PM
It is a given that:
 
1. Kyle Kingman's revealed posts to a private forum regarding a Persistence betrayal in Aruban waters by John Silvetti should have been investigated by the FBI.
 
2.  Actual video footage of the three ROV dives encompassing the trap located in Aruban waters should have been investigated by the FBI.
 
3.  The crew who were on board the Persistence during the search in Aruban waters should have been interrogated by the FBI.
 
4.  All pipeline/oil contracts afforded John Silvetti by Aruba following the Persistence undertaking should have been investigated by the FBI.
 
Justice for an American citizen demanded it!

Janet

++++++


NANCY GRACE
Judge Dismisses Holloway Suit
Aired August 11, 2006 - 20:00:00   ET


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: Well, the facts still remain that those are the last suspects known to be seen with Natalee alive. And everybody knows of their repeated lies that they told the authorities, even their father, Paulus Van Der Sloot. That`s why he was arrested. There was a reason that he was arrested in Natalee`s disappearance. It was not unwarranted whatsoever.

And you know -- and being dismissed in New York, it was on a procedure ruling. Here again, jurisdiction. We have faced that issue since May 30 of 2005. Jurisdiction and extradition have hit us in the face every time.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0608/11/ng.01.html



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 04, 2010, 12:11:27 PM
Good Morning Sharon.

 ::HelloKitty::

Janet
9:10 AM



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 04, 2010, 01:07:27 PM

An update on the Superior Offshore Int'l Class Action lawsuit:  

Louis Schaefer, Jim Mermis, R. Joshua Koch and their co-defendents (including Merrill Lynch and JP Morgan Securities) have settled the case out of court.  There will be no trial. 

The settlement agreement was evidently reached on October 14, 2010, though they've been working on it since June.  The final settlement has not yet been filed with the court. 

Interesting timing considering Tim Miller's recent claims as it relates to Schaefer and a resuming of the ocean search on short notice.


Quote
Case 4:08-cv-00687 Document 198 Filed in TXSD on 10/25/10 Page 1 of 4

STIPULATION TO LIFT STAY OF LITIGATION DUE TO SETTLEMENT

Lead Plaintiff Charles Ognar, Individual Defendants James Mermis, Roger Burks,
Louis Schafer, R. Joshua Koch, and Underwriter Defendants Merrill Lynch, Pierce,
Fenner & Smith, Inc. and J.P. Morgan Securities, Inc., hereby file this Stipulation and
Proposed Order to lift the stay of and reopen these proceedings to allow the parties to
seek Court approval of a settlement.

WHEREAS, Charles Ognar was appointed Lead Plaintiff on May 20, 2008;

WHEREAS, Lead Plaintiff filed a motion for class certification on February 8,
2010 [Rec. Doc. No. 172], to which Defendants filed an Opposition [Rec. Doc. No. 182],
Lead Plaintiff filed a Reply [Rec. Doc. No. 189], and Defendants filed a Sur-Reply [Rec.
Doc. No. 190];

WHEREAS, on June 8, 2010, the Court denied Lead Plaintiff’s Motion for Class
Certification [Rec. Doc. No. 194];

WHEREAS, the parties soon thereafter filed a Stipulation regarding the
administrative withdrawal of the Court’s June 8, 2010 Order [Rec. Doc. No. 194] and for
a stay of the litigation [Rec. Doc. No. 196] to provide the parties an opportunity to
compromise their differences;

WHEREAS, on June 17, 2010, the Court issued an Order withdrawing the June 8,
2010 Order denying Lead Plaintiff’s Motion for Class Certification and staying and
administratively closing the case pending settlement discussions [Rec. Doc. No. 197];

WHEREAS, the Court further directed the parties “that counsel shall advise the
Court in writing within ten (10) days following the completion of mediation whether the
case and the June 8, 2010 Memorandum and Order should be reinstated”;

WHEREAS, the parties have reached a settlement of this case and, as of October
14, 2010, exchanged a fully-executed Memorandum of Understanding;


WHEREAS, the parties will file a Stipulation of Settlement once they have
reached agreement on terms and conditions related to the settlement;

THEREFORE, IT IS ACCORDINGLY STIPULATED by and between the parties
that, subject to the Court’s approval, the Court lift the stay of and reopen these
proceedings for the sole purpose of allowing the parties to seek Court approval of their
settlement, pursuant to Fed. R. Civ. P. 23(e); and,

IT IS FURTHER STIPULATED by and between the parties that the withdrawn
June 8, 2010 Memorandum and Order [Rec. Doc. No. 194] not be reinstated.

http://securities.stanford.edu/1039/DEEP_01/20101025_r01x_08CV00687.pdf


Case Summary:  http://securities.stanford.edu/1039/DEEP_01/


Lifesong,

Thank you for this update.  Very interesting, yet not surprising. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 04, 2010, 01:24:47 PM
I went to the "Say No to pedophiles in Aruba"... and I can't help but wonder if this is a network to find kids. I know, that sounds sick, but this is Aruba.

I did see a 'who's who' list of all the common names. I did notice a Jennyree Geerman on the members list.

There looks to be some rather interesting names on that list of members.

I also remember when Jossy was gonna blow the lid of off the pedo network and name all the "elders" but that never happened. I can't help but wonder what some of these older guys are doing on that FB site.

It's obviously infiltrated by at least one pedo - and I did see some people directly related to the Aruba Dirty Polis.

They accuse Francis Maduro of being a pedo.

I thought the same.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

There's been a spotlight on the sexual abuse of children in Aruba lately.  I think Lisette Gomes initiated a lot of it after her two young children were molested.  She started a foundation to assist the victims of sexual abuse.  The foundation is mentioned in the following article where an Inspector of Police has been accused of molesting his three year old.

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/21987-mama-di-victima-di-abuso-sexual-ta-evalua-pa-bay-corte-europeo.html

Papiamentu translation:

mother of victima of abuse sexual is evalua for bay corte european

tuesday, 14 september 2010 01:09

mother of the criatura of barely 3 year of edad cu owing to become victima of abuse sexual of his same father inspector of police, now is stop at one crusada dificil. here at aruba his opcionnan legal is cabando, but esey do not nifica end of his action. the mother is boga for husticia y will follow struggle till end. day 6 of feburary ultimo, one child muhe of 3 year owing to count ; his grandmother cu his father is touch bruto cu ne at his part delicado. investigacion preliminar owing to demostra cu not had penetracion neither rastro of maltrato. but so self, the child muhe owing to stay stop on cu the does not bay more close his father for her motibo already menciona. the same storia the child owing to count ; at several sicologo, at sikiater of child y at his doctor of cas.

the mother, one hurista trahando at ministerio publico owing to entrega one denuncia at his same colega fiscal. the trip here not because; one acolyte of we power hudicial, but because; one mother luchando for husticia for his unique yui. particular in the caso here is cu the father is nothing more y nothing less cu one inspector of police, encarga among another cu the departamento of jzp cu is investiga the same type of casonan so.

procurador general owing to haye sit cu one caso very dificil, because of one near the have one colega of dje of ministerio publico y at another near one inspector of police of cual they're work together all day for good of the children y ciudadanonan abusa at aruba. both person, tanto the mother because; the father, is figuranan important in we sistema hudicial y cu amplio conocemento in the type of asuntonan delicado so.

for evita cu mayan will tilda the caso of miss of neutralidad, owing to let polisnan experto in interogacion of child atende the caso. hour they owing to saca they conclusion, owing to send the caso for coleganan of the netherlands for they evalua the caso y give one conseho. on they conseho the hour ministerio publico owing to dicidi of "seponeer" the caso, argumentando cu the pruebanan on self do not sufficient for neither sikiera cuminsa one caso penal contra the father. the mother, haciendo usage of his derecho, owing to apela the decision here at corte comun of antiyas y aruba. here three judge owing to go back evalua all the caso y at end owing to dicidi cu they're of acuerdo cu not have base for cuminsa one caso penal contra the police.

claro cu awo the proceso civil will follow, awo cu have more claridad on the investigacion penal. the mother owing to give of conoce yesterday during the conferencia of prensa cu the wanted evita cu his yui have to bay bek for see his father, although is 1 times for week.

the mother envolvi is feel cu his recursonan legal owing to cuminsa agota y wanted one contesta on the pregunta: kico will sosode awo cu the denuncia haci for his yui muhe. is look like cu if pruebanan do not sufficient, the hour is immidiately take one decision without importa the damage cu is haci at one poor criatura of barely 3 year of edad cu is one victima of abuse sexual of his same father. cu this in mind, the family owing to opta for busca aid cerce fundacion lissete gomes.

during one conferencia of prensa, owing to elabora on the caso here y the fundacion is denuncia publicamente con in the caso here owing to dicidi cu do not employ the raport sicologico neither esun sikiatrico. the fundacion cu is leave at defence of children victima of abuse sexual will send one carta awo for gobernantenan cu the question kico is sosode the hour cu all the another casonan in cual if owing to employ the same raport of the same sikiaternan here.

advocate of the family owing to count ; prensa cu much procedura owing to bay various in the caso specifico here. mr. amelien flanegin is one ex fiscal y because; such conoce the cultura in ministerio publico in his plant'i hand. past owing to cuestiona the procedura employ in the caso here compara cu another casonan. owing to employ ehempel of the caso of the sir of scol cu owing to give one child muhe of 12 year one kiss, con at once owing to detene y encarcel'e. in the caso here owing to entrega complaint, did take lunanan for evalua if will cuminsa cu one investigacion, owing to send the caso for antias y the netherlands for after come dicidi cu do not persigui the father. one form hipi various compara cu all another caso of abuse sexual. thing is wing very atencion also is the mature cu at the netherlands owing to argumenta cu not can employ the raportnan sicologico neither sikiatrico for motibo cu they do not at the level aceptabel for can saca afor cu if the child muhe is papiando berdad or not. awo, already cu corte comun did take the asunto here at earnest y owing to sweep the raportnan for of table, is con will haci in all the another casonan cu if owing to employ the raportnan of the same expertonan here? is good for menciona cu here at aruba have 1 sun sicologo of child cu is study for investiga estado sicologico of one child.

advocate mr. amelien flanegin owing to tell cu the mother now is evaluando the next pasonan. one of they can is for take away the caso for corte european of derechonan human. one decision end relaciona cu the proceso here they not did take still but if is evaluand'e seriamente. they does not critica the departamentonan but if the sistema con is atende cu kehonan of criaturanan abusa sexualmente.

cuerpo policial self do not dunando comentario on the caso specifico here. owing to cumbini cu ministerio publico cu they self will have to leave argumenta they decision cu owing to wordo ratifica by of three judge imparcial. the father niether does not give niun reaccion still but owing to stay of delibera cu his abogadonan for dicidi in what direccion will follow.

obbviamente cu partidonan now will enter the debate civil y niun of two wanted spite they posicion fast corte civil cu will have to dicidi cu if the father will can follow see his yui or not. in all the proceso here, by feburary cu the asunto here owing to cuminsa, not owing to permiti'e see his yui muhe more niether.


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Post by: texasmom on December 04, 2010, 02:46:16 PM
Obituary of Michael John Hinton, he drowned at Baby Beach November 25th.

http://www.rollerfuneralhomes.com/services.asp?locid=24&page=odetail&id=22228#

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/MichaelJohnHinton_drownedatBabyBeach11252010_22228_memorial.jpg)

Michael John Hinton

October 20, 1938 - November 25, 2010

Michael John Hinton, age 72 of Norfork passed away Thursday, November 25, 2010 in San Nicolaas, Aruba. He was born October 20, 1938 in Southampton, England to Arthur and Kathleen (Weeks) Hinton. He married Donna Lee (Egge) Recker in 1990.

Michael was an apprentice journeyman machinist/fitter on the British Railway Loco Works in Eastigh England for five years and joined the British Merchant Marines for three years. He worked at D & D in England as a field engineer and was sponsored by Rockwell Goss to immigrate to Cedar Rapids, Iowa, as a machinist assembler worker for 28 years and later as forman.

His lifelong hobby was racing pigeons which he continued in Cedar Rapids. He was also active in starting the Soccer League. He became a United States citizen in 1999.

He moved to Norfork in 2004 to be by the White River. He loved to fish, read and play cards with his old buddies and walk his dog, Mickey.He served on the Norfork Planning and Zoning Commission.

Michael is survived by his wife, Donna Hinton of Norfork; a son, Melvyn Hinton of Cedar Rapids, Iowa; 2 daughters: Dawn Harmon of Thornton, Colorado and Nicole Lee (Scott) Recker-Ware of Esterville, Iowa; 5 grandchildren: Stormy Jo Kolden, Misty (Jesse) Greene, Brandon Harmon, Timothy Jacob (Mikyla) Ware and Rebbeca Josephine Ware; 1 great granddaughter, Ellah Kolden; a brother, Richard Hinton of Eastleigh-Hants, England; a great Auntie, Bubbs Court of Botley-Hants, England; former wife, Pamela Framton (mother of Melvyn and Dawn)several nieces, nephews, cousins and his beloved dog, Mickey who was his constant companion.

Visitation will be 6-8 PM Friday December 3, 2010 at Roller Funeral Home.
A Celebration of Michael's Life will be held 10 AM Saturday December 4, 2010 at Roller Funeral Home conducted by Frank Daniels, Life Tribute Specialist.

Arrangements by Roller Funeral Home. Online guestbook: www.rollerfuneralhomes.com


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 04, 2010, 06:28:16 PM
International Travel Tips

1. Communication


Before you leave the country, activate international calling on your cell phone. And be sure you know how to make an international phone call. The area code to the U.S. is 001, followed by the area code and number you are calling. Always carry your cell on your person, not in a purse or a briefcase ...

www.internationalsafetravelsfoundation.org


I Feel Such Regret

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 31:
  Clutching both portraits, Jug and I drive to the private hangar at the far side of the Birmingham airport.  On the way I contact Cingular Wireless and have international calling activated on my cell.  I activate Natalee's too.  If she has hers with her, she can call me now.  If she had had international calling last night, she could have called someone for help.  Why didn't we do this before she left?  I feel such regret.


Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC

Mayday 360
http://www.mayday360.com/default.aspx





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Post by: texasmom on December 04, 2010, 08:39:37 PM
http://www.isaruba.com/students%20life/Pictures/high.html

Sebastian in the apron.   ::MonkeyRoll::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/ISA/Sebastian_Bram_ISA2010.jpg)

http://www.isaruba.com/students%20life/Pictures/elementarypictures.html

Anita in the corner?

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/ISA/Anita_ISA_2010_aaa.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: dani on December 04, 2010, 08:44:01 PM
I got a couple books in the mail the other day. Loving Natalee and Into The Deep. So far I've only skimmed through Into The Deep. Having recently graduated with a bachelor's in psychology, I can appreciate the work, and know that I only have a broad education in comparison to higher degrees... but a few questions did come to mind already.

Has anyone read Into The Deep? If so, what are your thoughts?

I'm just curious because after only having skimmed it, my biggest concerns are: did Hodges take into account that English isn't Deepak's first language? It would explain a lot of grammar/spelling mistakes. Also, typing is a much different process than hand writing something. Further, some people might be well-spoken but type horribly. Some people also just aren't very skilled with language.

I tried to find something toward the back about these considerations (if they are made) but didn't find them. Just wondering if someone has read the book completely and would know.

I have no opinions as to what happened yet, I'm just reading up on everything that I can for now.

Thanks -- hope everyone has had a good day today. I spent hours wrapping Christmas presents  ::MonkeyEek:: I'm getting excited about the holidays, but wish my husband was going to be home! Oh well. We will celebrate Christmas again when he's home. :)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 04, 2010, 09:37:43 PM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/25029-bubali-y-palm-beach-tabata-bao-di-awa.html

Papiamentu translation:

bubali y palm beach was bao of water

saturday, 04 december 2010 22:06

the awacero was pisa. the ground satura owing to cause problem several caminda. water was busca one caminda for go. palm beach cierto caminda car not can owing to happen. at bubali can owing to see claramente con the water was core for follow his ruta for lama. the water was so much cu till even owing to enter fill one cura of cas at bubali y enter in the cas also. one senjora big cu live his only not was know what for haci cu the problem cu owing to present in his cas. the instant ey first minister mike eman y minister benny sevinger was on caya analizando personalmente the situation of water. they owing to see the senjora in his cura fill of water y owing to descend for see the situation. for they surprise owing to come see cu the problem in the cas is more earnest. at once first minister did take contacto cu boss of rampen ass y bombero cu owing to send one unidad at once for come help. owing to cuminsa cu pompmento of water for of the cura y after in the cas also. owing to stay of busca also yudanza social for her senjora. so seems was have some cas in area of north cu owing to achieve type of problemanan so.

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2010.december.dec04.bubali.bubasli018.JPG)

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2010.december.dec04.bubali.bubasli011.JPG)

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2010.december.dec04.bubali.bubasli032.JPG)

More pictures at the link.


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Post by: texasmom on December 04, 2010, 10:08:25 PM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/25024-sr-christiaans-di-gkmb-dialuna-lo-cuminsa-spuit-den-santa-cruz.html

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1...images.stories.news.2010.CHARACHTERS.dengue7.jpg)

nuff said... ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 05, 2010, 12:39:23 AM
I got a couple books in the mail the other day. Loving Natalee and Into The Deep. So far I've only skimmed through Into The Deep. Having recently graduated with a bachelor's in psychology, I can appreciate the work, and know that I only have a broad education in comparison to higher degrees... but a few questions did come to mind already.

Has anyone read Into The Deep? If so, what are your thoughts?

I'm just curious because after only having skimmed it, my biggest concerns are: did Hodges take into account that English isn't Deepak's first language? It would explain a lot of grammar/spelling mistakes. Also, typing is a much different process than hand writing something. Further, some people might be well-spoken but type horribly. Some people also just aren't very skilled with language.

I tried to find something toward the back about these considerations (if they are made) but didn't find them. Just wondering if someone has read the book completely and would know.

I have no opinions as to what happened yet, I'm just reading up on everything that I can for now.

Thanks -- hope everyone has had a good day today. I spent hours wrapping Christmas presents  ::MonkeyEek:: I'm getting excited about the holidays, but wish my husband was going to be home! Oh well. We will celebrate Christmas again when he's home. :)

Hi Dani.  I wanted to acknowledge your post but to be honest, the discussion of Andrew Hodges book was so long ago I honestly don't remember that much about it.  Hodges is a bit of a kook if I remember correct.

Loving Natalee is an awesome book and gives you a good idea exactly what it was like for Natalee's family.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 05, 2010, 12:49:12 AM
nuff said  ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/nomosq.jpg)


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Post by: texasmom on December 05, 2010, 02:16:10 AM
nuff said  ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/nomosq.jpg)

 ::MonkeyDevil::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 05, 2010, 03:26:08 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_kjjkik_1-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 05, 2010, 09:24:12 AM
 ::MonkeyTongue::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/album2/Images/337.zoom3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: dani on December 05, 2010, 10:24:03 AM
Hi Dani.  I wanted to acknowledge your post but to be honest, the discussion of Andrew Hodges book was so long ago I honestly don't remember that much about it.  Hodges is a bit of a kook if I remember correct.

Loving Natalee is an awesome book and gives you a good idea exactly what it was like for Natalee's family.

That's what I was thinking. He does sound a bit kooky. I'll probably read through it anyway just for kicks. It just sounds way too far fetched to me especially given the context of the medium & the language barriers.  ::MonkeyCool::

I started reading Loving Natalee last night, will probably continue today. My husband is going to be so confused when he comes home and finds me engrossed in this case.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hope everyone has a good morning!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 05, 2010, 10:35:48 AM
Keeping in mind that the Kalpoes have a new attorney for their defamation case.  There were some new motions filed, only the minutes currently available.  Looks like an extension of the trial date has been granted:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/KalpoeNewAttyMotionsMinutes.jpg)



Documents Filed (Filing dates listed in descending order)

Click on any of the below link(s) to see documents filed on or before the date indicated:
01/15/2010   06/18/2009   10/07/2008   02/21/2008   08/22/2007   03/01/2007   

12/02/2010 Ex-Parte Application (FOR CONTUANCE OF TRIAL AND TO REOPEN DISCOVERY; MEMORANDUM OF POINTS AND AUTHORITIES IN SUPPORT THEREOF )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

12/02/2010 Proof of Service
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

12/02/2010 Declaration (OF JOSHUA D. YEARGER PURSUANT TO CALIFORNIA CIVIL DISCOVERY ACT )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

11/17/2010 Association of Attorney
Filed by Attorney for Pltf/Petnr




   
 
Case Summary


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Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW

Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending

Future Hearings

01/06/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion for Summary Judgment (date will likely change)

01/27/2011 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Final Status Conference (T/D 2-7-2011)(date will likely change)

02/07/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Jury Trial (-Final Status Conference-OSC RE: Re Sanctions for Failureof Plntf/Deft Counsel to Appear @FSC)
(date will likely change)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 05, 2010, 10:57:46 AM
http://www.cremerspina.com/yeager.php

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/YeagerAtty.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 05, 2010, 11:01:10 AM
Yeager was added to the team back in 2007 I believe. 


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Post by: MuffyBee on December 05, 2010, 11:03:57 AM
Thanks Klaas.  And thank you to the anonymous donor for paying for the documents.   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 05, 2010, 11:23:44 AM
Older article, but I don't remember seeing it before. 

The author did change all of the PR related links to links about Natalee  ::MonkeyCool::
...they don't carry over if I copy them here so I've snipped the actual PR article that is referenced.

http://www.auburnmedia.com/wordpress/2010/09/22/aruba-one-happy-island-no-aruba-is-one-scary-island/

Aruba. One Happy Island? No. Aruba Is One Scary Island.
22 SEPTEMBER 2010 262 VIEWS NO COMMENT

A redesign of the new Aruba logo to more accurately depict the island's true nature.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/aruba-scary-island.jpg)

I live in Alabama.  I’m really not the person you want to pitch with news of Aruba’s new rebranding initiative.

That didn’t stop them, though. They pitched me via email today.

A PR agency just found one long list of PR people and sent out the blast email release. Yet one more example of poor PR practice.   I only write of this because it is so ironic that they would pitch me on this story, of all stories.  A truly clueless effort.

Why does Aruba need to rebrand itself?  Because of the horrible way they handled the Natalee Holloway disappearance (and much more).

We in Alabama remember that.  It is the reason the mere mention of Aruba raises angry and bitter feelings.  It is the reason we are certain that Aruba is a horrible place.  They seem to care more about their tourism industry than the safety of those that visit Aruba.

So, I’ll reprint their release. That’s what they wanted, right? I’ll just use different links … and I’ll tell you the reason why they have to do a rebranding.

Now, do you still want to go to Aruba for your vacation?

Do you really want your children to take their Spring Break trips to Aruba?

Yeah, I didn’t think so.

The long string of stories in this Google News search is representative of the reason why Aruba is undertaking this rebranding effort.   Gee, if they would only spend as much effort in finding Holloway and/or truly solving the case.

ARUBA LAUNCHES ‘ONE HAPPY ISLAND’ GLOBAL BRAND IDENTITY,
FEATURING COLORFUL, NEW LOGO AND TAGLINE

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/natalee-holloway.jpg)
Natalee Holloway - the innocent victim of Aruba's disregard for life.

 ::monkeyscissors::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 05, 2010, 11:26:22 AM
Thanks Klaas.  And thank you to the anonymous donor for paying for the documents.   ::MonkeyKiss::

Thanks to both of you from me too!   ::CowboySmiley:: ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 05, 2010, 11:38:14 AM
The redesign by Klaas is the BEST!    ::MonkeyGavel::

http://www.diario.aw/2010/09/joran-por-fabor-basha-abao-pa-caba/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/joran.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 05, 2010, 11:43:14 AM
I love that Jossy printed it!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 05, 2010, 11:46:24 AM
What is the hold up?

Janet

++++++

SEPTEMBER, 2010

Van der Sloot: I've 'misused' Holloway case 'for my own advantage'
By the CNN Wire Staff
September 7, 2010 9:11 a.m. EDT


Also Monday, a Peruvian court voted 2-1 to reject van der Sloot's contention that he is being held unlawfully, but the court requires three votes to secure a decision. Alteza said that a fourth jurist will hear the case and cast a vote at a public hearing next week. If that judge votes in favor of van der Sloot, a fifth judge will hear the case to break the tie.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/09/07/peru.vandersloot/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn


DECEMBER, 2010

Van der Sloot not Peru's most notorious prisoner
Last Update: 9:33 am


Meanwhile, down the road at Castro Castro, Joran van der Sloot is still awaiting word his appeal to have his murder confession thrown out of court. His lawyers charge both coercion and procedural improprieties to his confession he murdered 21 year old Stephany Flores after she found material about Natalee Holloway on his computer. Flores corpse was found in van der Sloot's Lima hotel room five years to the day of Natalee Holloway's disappearance on a high school trip to Aruba.

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Van-der-Sloot-not-Perus-most-notorious-prisoner/WbjNq4sK0U6QzOspmsOJhA.cspx


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on December 05, 2010, 11:53:43 AM
I love that Jossy printed it!  ::MonkeyCool::

ITA   :smt045 :smt045


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 05, 2010, 12:08:56 PM
I love that Jossy printed it!  ::MonkeyCool::

ITA   :smt045 :smt045

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 05, 2010, 12:18:00 PM
Klaas

Thanks for posting the Phil McGraw document.

It appears that the attorneys representing their respective parties are standing firm in their positions.

Have a good Sunday All.

The weather is crazy in our nic of the woods.  In the past month we have had below freezing temperatures ... six inches of snow ... rain rain and more rain and ... yesterday walkers/joggers and bicyclists were making the circuit of the sea wall at Stanley Park in shorts and T-Shirts under clear skies.

Janet
9:10 AM PT



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 05, 2010, 01:02:17 PM
I love that Jossy printed it!  ::MonkeyCool::

Me too!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: robots on December 05, 2010, 02:48:53 PM
www.ARUBASUCKS.info

 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Anna on December 05, 2010, 02:51:06 PM
I love that Jossy printed it!  ::MonkeyCool::

Me too!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::


 ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: robots on December 05, 2010, 02:58:52 PM
  i hate anita


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: carpe noctem on December 05, 2010, 03:55:02 PM
  i hate anita

You and me both, dawg.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I am thankful for another year of Joran`s misery. He hasn`t enjoyed one Christmas since.
This makes me happy! This year I hope he gets walnuts, oranges, pennies... and other
things that nobody wants, and maybe even a little Peruvian sausage in his chimney sock.

I take that back - nix the oranges. That boy doesn`t need any vitamin C.

Scurvy - it does a morta good!

-Justice for Natalee! ::hohohosanta:: ::MonkeyReindeer::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: robots on December 05, 2010, 04:01:59 PM

 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::


  i hate anita

You and me both, dawg.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I am thankful for another year of Joran`s misery. He hasn`t enjoyed one Christmas since.
This makes me happy! This year I hope he gets walnuts, oranges, pennies... and other
things that nobody wants, and maybe even a little Peruvian sausage in his chimney sock.

I take that back - nix the oranges. That boy doesn`t need any vitamin C.

Scurvy - it does a morta good!

-Justice for Natalee! ::hohohosanta:: ::MonkeyReindeer::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 05, 2010, 05:34:33 PM
www.ARUBASUCKS.info

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 ::CowboySmiley:: ::MonkeyCheer3::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 05, 2010, 05:39:21 PM
  i hate anita

You and me both, dawg.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I am thankful for another year of Joran`s misery. He hasn`t enjoyed one Christmas since.
This makes me happy! This year I hope he gets walnuts, oranges, pennies... and other
things that nobody wants, and maybe even a little Peruvian sausage in his chimney sock.

I take that back - nix the oranges. That boy doesn`t need any vitamin C.

Scurvy - it does a morta good!

-Justice for Natalee! ::hohohosanta:: ::MonkeyReindeer::

 ::snowmanlaugh:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::ElfMonkey:: ::santawink::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on December 05, 2010, 06:50:53 PM
  i hate anita

You and me both, dawg.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I am thankful for another year of Joran`s misery. He hasn`t enjoyed one Christmas since.
This makes me happy! This year I hope he gets walnuts, oranges, pennies... and other
things that nobody wants, and maybe even a little Peruvian sausage in his chimney sock.

I take that back - nix the oranges. That boy doesn`t need any vitamin C.

Scurvy - it does a morta good!

-Justice for Natalee! ::hohohosanta:: ::MonkeyReindeer::

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Nix anything to use as a nutcracker too! Let him hold a walnut against the wall and use his head as a hammer! If he remains conscience, he can spend the following hours picking out the tiny pieces with his fat fingers!!   ::MonkeyWink::

Don'cha just love Holidays??   ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 05, 2010, 07:48:00 PM
MAY 31, 2005 – 8:00 AM

Loving Natalee – Beth Holloway

Page 58:
  Detective Jacobs asks us to come to the police station in Bubali in about an hour to give our official statements.

Page 59:  Jug, Jodi, and I arrive at Bubali at eight o’clock sharp …

Detective Jacobs is sitting behind the counter in a reclining swivel office chair.  As we move toward him, he leans back in his chair.  “We’re ready to give our statements,” we say, anxious to tell him the facts about Natalee’s disappearance we’ve gathered thus far, so that an investigation can get under way.

Page 60:  He pushes one hand and then the other down and across his belly, which is extended by his rearing back.  He says, “I’ll have to eat my frosted flakes first,” and then, running a hand across his jaw, adds, “and get a shave before I can deal with you.”  And with that he gets up from the chair, exits through the little swinging door, and disappears ….

A half hour passes.  Then an hour.  I wish there was an American law enforcement contact here to help us, someone to act as a liaison.    I get up from the plastic chair, go outside, and sit down in the gravel driveway ….

I’m outside about thirty minutes when another officer, police chief Jan van der Straten, comes out to the driveway and tells me bluntly and curtly to get up.  “You can’t sit in the gravel like this.  Come back inside.”

Inside, two more hours pass …

After almost three hours detective Jacobs comes back into the waiting area and tells me he doesn’t need me today.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 05, 2010, 07:52:48 PM
I Wish

Loving Natalee – Beth Holloway

Page 60:
  I wish there was an American law enforcement contact here to help us, someone to act as a liaison.


Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC

Mayday 360
http://www.mayday360.com/default.aspx
 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 06, 2010, 02:36:39 AM
Please remember Diane and Sage in your thoughts and prayers, for a speedy recovery!   ::MonkeyAngel::

http://www.necn.com/12/05/10/Roswell-rescue-dog-relapses-surgery-plan/landing_nation.html?&blockID=3&apID=90452b392c284950a644ef82fb40a139

Roswell rescue dog relapses, surgery planned

Dec 5, 2010 3:42pm
 
ROSWELL, N.M. (AP) — A search and rescue dog raised in Roswell that has worked around the world has relapsed, and surgery is scheduled at a special animal cancer center in Colorado.


Sage's owner and handler, Diane Whetsel, says the 11-year-old Hagerman border collie will have surgery Monday.

Veterinarians who routinely monitor canines like Sage that worked in the aftermath of 9/11 recently detected a tumor lodged between her lung lobes.

Sage had surgery earlier this year for two other tumors, and Whetsel says the relapse took her and Sage's doctors by surprise.

Sage sifted through the rubble at the Pentagon after 9/11, worked in Aruba during the search for Natalie Holloway and the Gulf Coast in the aftermath of hurricanes Katrina and Rita. She was also deployed to Iraq in 2007 and 2008.

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Information from: Roswell Daily Record, http://www.roswell-record.com


http://www.today.colostate.edu/story.aspx?id=3877

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Video of Sage and Diane at this link:

http://www.krqe.com/dpp/military/heroic-dog-recovers-from-cancer

Heroic dog recovers from cancer
Updated: Friday, 05 Feb 2010, 5:33 PM MST
Published : Friday, 05 Feb 2010, 5:33 PM MST

Reporter: Jeff Todd
Web Producer: Devon Armijo
HOBBS, N.M. (KRQE) - An award winning search and rescue dog from New Mexico will be honored several times this weekend.

Sage, a border collie who lives with her owner Diane Whetsel in Hagerman, has served on missions in Washington D.C. after September 11, in New Orleans after Katrina and with the military in Iraq.

She will be honored at a dog show in Hobbs.

Sage actually received the American Kennel Club’s Award for Canine Excellence in December at the AKC National Championships in Long Beach, California.

"The ace award for search and rescue is probably the most prestigious award a search and rescue dog could ever get," Whetsel said.

Last fall, Sage was diagnosed with cancer. Her treatment was funded by donations from fellow New Mexicans.

"We had donations from Santa Fe, Albuquerque, people really came together to get her the treatment she needed and enabled us to take her to the premiere cancer center," Whetsel said.

Doctors removed two forms of cancer from Sage’s chest.

Whetsel said the forms of cancer are not common in dogs, and she believes they may be related to the search and rescue work Sage has done.

“From 9-11 she sniffed a lot of toxins there, Katrina there were a lot of toxins there. And we also searched dump sites out side of Fallujah while we were in Iraq," Whetsel said.

The cancer was found early because all dogs that participated in 9-11 missions are checked every year by a joint mission from the University of Pennsylvania and the American Kennel Club.

Whetsel said the 9-11 mission was a double edged sword because it could have caused the cancer, but without the mission, the cancer may still be growing inside Sage.

The heroic pup is expected to make a full recovery.

“Everything is pretty much back to normal, she plays, she chases the Frisbee, you never know she's lost any part of her lung," Whetsel said.

http://www.akc.org/news/ace/2009/honorees.cfm

The AKC Humane Fund Awards for Canine Excellence (ACE) 2009

The American Kennel Club is proud to announce the Recipients and Honorable Mentions for the 2009 AKC Humane Fund Awards for Canine Excellence (ACE). Established in 2000, ACE has become a valuable public-outreach program for the AKC as well as a source of pride among the fancy and the dog community.

The recipient in each category (Exemplary Companion, Law Enforcement, Search and Rescue, Service, and Therapy) will receive an engraved silver collar medallion and a check for $1,000 at a presentation ceremony at the AKC/Eukanuba National Championship in Long Beach, California, on December 12, 2009. A local presentation will also be held for each recipient at an AKC dog show near their hometown. Information on local presentations will be posted on our website when it becomes available. Each Honorable Mention recipient will be mailed a bronze collar medallion.

The stories about our 2009 AKC Humane Fund ACE recipients will be posted shortly.

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SEARCH AND RESCUE
Sage – Border Collie owned by Diane Whetsel of Hagerman, NM


Sage is a 10 year old Border Collie who is owned, trained and loved by Diane Whetsel, a K-9 officer for the New Mexico Corrections Department. Diane began training Sage for disaster response when she was just 10 weeks old. She passed the FEMA Canine Readiness Evaluation at 18 months of age, working tirelessly ever since. Sage served at the Pentagon in the aftermath of 9/11, locating the remains of the terrorist who had flown the airliner into the Pentagon. The team was sent to Aruba in 2005 to search for the missing teen, Natalee Holloway and they were summoned to help in search and rescue efforts in the aftermath of Hurricanes Katrina and Rita. In 2007 Sage and Diane travelled to Iraq and spent six months searching for missing soldiers. She quickly grew accustomed to working in the dangerous conditions offered by a war zone as she searched farm fields, homes and industrial areas. When Sage and Whetsel are not travelling to disaster areas and war zones, they give demonstrations and presentations to schools, clubs and animal rescue organizations in their community.

Sage was honored at the Hobbs New Mexico Kennel Club show on February 6, 2010.

The following dogs received Honorable Mention:
Bet – Border Collie owned by Vicki Roye of Coldwater, MS
Lionel – English Springer Spaniel owned by Liz Burne of Sharon, CT
Rebel – German Shepherd Dog owned by Brian Towsley of St. Louis, MO
Snickers – Beagle owned by Pam Medhurst of San Diego, CA
Vision – Australian Shepherd owned by Jennifer Morgan of Daphne, AL

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http://freedomreinsllc.com/blog/?p=3061

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http://sagefoundationfordogs.org/sage.html

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 06, 2010, 02:38:52 AM
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Justice for Natalee,

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and Stephany!
 
::MonkeyJustice::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 06, 2010, 10:26:45 AM
Good morning!

I was just perusing through some old, saved websites and came across this.

 http://www.360tuna.com/forum/f85/clarification-m-v-big-e-14375/

Clarification of the M/V Big E

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Rumor has it that the Big E is up for sale. THIS IS NOT TRUE! However the M/V Capt. Casey is........
Just wanted to set the record straight.
We will run next year Jan-May prob. only one trip a month and then we will run full speed June-Dec of 2011! No worries Big E is not going anywhere!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 06, 2010, 11:52:07 AM
The other night, we encountered friends who went to Aruba in October with 2 other couples.  We were not sitting near each other, so the few minutes we had to speak, I asked about the trip.   She said, 'It rains in Aruba!'  They happened to be there when the storm was passing through and she said that due to a lack of drainage on the island, there were puddles all over.  The other couples with them had trouble with drainage in their hotel rooms.  I'm surmising they had ground floor rooms...but can imagine how that would be if on a vacation...ugh.  They stayed at the Tamarijn, which is next to Divi and near the Alhambra (I think) Casino. 

She said there were pockets of clearing, but they made the best of it, despite the weather.  She told of acquaintances of theirs who spoke of the calm waters, where one could walk out neck deep and countered with saying that when they were there, the current and waves were similar to the Jersey shore.  She said she has pictures, which I'm sure I'll never see. 

Before our brief conversation ended, she mentioned another local couple who had gone to Aruba in November.  They, too, encountered daily rain.  I thought I remembered it said that there was a rainy season, so I looked it up and it is indeed from October to January.  As a matter of fact, in the last couple of Beach Cam pics I posted, you can see that it's raining, where the wooden decking is wet.  C'est la vie. ::hohohosanta:: ::ElfMonkey::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Kermit on December 06, 2010, 04:05:39 PM
Hi Dani.  I wanted to acknowledge your post but to be honest, the discussion of Andrew Hodges book was so long ago I honestly don't remember that much about it.  Hodges is a bit of a kook if I remember correct.

Loving Natalee is an awesome book and gives you a good idea exactly what it was like for Natalee's family.

That's what I was thinking. He does sound a bit kooky. I'll probably read through it anyway just for kicks. It just sounds way too far fetched to me especially given the context of the medium & the language barriers.  ::MonkeyCool::

I started reading Loving Natalee last night, will probably continue today. My husband is going to be so confused when he comes home and finds me engrossed in this case.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hope everyone has a good morning!


http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/



http://www.forensicthoughtprints.com/default.aspx



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Kermit on December 06, 2010, 04:07:02 PM
Keeping in mind that the Kalpoes have a new attorney for their defamation case.  There were some new motions filed, only the minutes currently available.  Looks like an extension of the trial date has been granted:

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Documents Filed (Filing dates listed in descending order)

Click on any of the below link(s) to see documents filed on or before the date indicated:
01/15/2010   06/18/2009   10/07/2008   02/21/2008   08/22/2007   03/01/2007   

12/02/2010 Ex-Parte Application (FOR CONTUANCE OF TRIAL AND TO REOPEN DISCOVERY; MEMORANDUM OF POINTS AND AUTHORITIES IN SUPPORT THEREOF )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

12/02/2010 Proof of Service
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

12/02/2010 Declaration (OF JOSHUA D. YEARGER PURSUANT TO CALIFORNIA CIVIL DISCOVERY ACT )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

11/17/2010 Association of Attorney
Filed by Attorney for Pltf/Petnr




   
 
Case Summary


Please make a note of the Case Number.

Click here to access document images for this case. 
If this link fails, you may go to the Case Document Images site and search using the case number displayed on this page.
Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW

Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending

Future Hearings

01/06/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion for Summary Judgment (date will likely change)

01/27/2011 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Final Status Conference (T/D 2-7-2011)(date will likely change)

02/07/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Jury Trial (-Final Status Conference-OSC RE: Re Sanctions for Failureof Plntf/Deft Counsel to Appear @FSC)
(date will likely change)




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DA LEPRECHANS WILL BE COMING TO LA!!! COUNT ON IT
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Kermit on December 06, 2010, 04:07:34 PM
What is Joran's address at Castro Castro - anyone know?

I'd like to send this to him.





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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Kermit on December 06, 2010, 04:09:21 PM
Please remember Diane and Sage in your thoughts and prayers, for a speedy recovery! 
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Poor doogie. I hope Sage gets better soon.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Kermit on December 06, 2010, 04:29:47 PM
OK I'm confused who said they were in the service and had a week off then went to Aruba to find Natalee they found the jaw bone HELP

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Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #851 11/16/10 -
« Reply #190 on: November 17, 2010, 10:38:04 AM »
Yes Blonde my husband and I just got back.  We were there all last week.  He's on a 2 week break from his deployment in Afghanistan and he wanted to spend part of that time looking for Natalee.  I just got him on a plane back to Afghanistan yesterday
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8849.180


OK so they didn't say they found the jaw bone..
Thank You my Frog friend.
 I have got a pond now and it's filled with your friends ::MonkeyHaHa::

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Kermit on December 06, 2010, 04:30:25 PM

An update on the Superior Offshore Int'l Class Action lawsuit:  

Louis Schaefer, Jim Mermis, R. Joshua Koch and their co-defendents (including Merrill Lynch and JP Morgan Securities) have settled the case out of court.  There will be no trial. 

The settlement agreement was evidently reached on October 14, 2010, though they've been working on it since June.  The final settlement has not yet been filed with the court. 

Interesting timing considering Tim Miller's recent claims as it relates to Schaefer and a resuming of the ocean search on short notice.


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Case 4:08-cv-00687 Document 198 Filed in TXSD on 10/25/10 Page 1 of 4

STIPULATION TO LIFT STAY OF LITIGATION DUE TO SETTLEMENT

Lead Plaintiff Charles Ognar, Individual Defendants James Mermis, Roger Burks,
Louis Schafer, R. Joshua Koch, and Underwriter Defendants Merrill Lynch, Pierce,
Fenner & Smith, Inc. and J.P. Morgan Securities, Inc., hereby file this Stipulation and
Proposed Order to lift the stay of and reopen these proceedings to allow the parties to
seek Court approval of a settlement.

WHEREAS, Charles Ognar was appointed Lead Plaintiff on May 20, 2008;

WHEREAS, Lead Plaintiff filed a motion for class certification on February 8,
2010 [Rec. Doc. No. 172], to which Defendants filed an Opposition [Rec. Doc. No. 182],
Lead Plaintiff filed a Reply [Rec. Doc. No. 189], and Defendants filed a Sur-Reply [Rec.
Doc. No. 190];

WHEREAS, on June 8, 2010, the Court denied Lead Plaintiff’s Motion for Class
Certification [Rec. Doc. No. 194];

WHEREAS, the parties soon thereafter filed a Stipulation regarding the
administrative withdrawal of the Court’s June 8, 2010 Order [Rec. Doc. No. 194] and for
a stay of the litigation [Rec. Doc. No. 196] to provide the parties an opportunity to
compromise their differences;

WHEREAS, on June 17, 2010, the Court issued an Order withdrawing the June 8,
2010 Order denying Lead Plaintiff’s Motion for Class Certification and staying and
administratively closing the case pending settlement discussions [Rec. Doc. No. 197];

WHEREAS, the Court further directed the parties “that counsel shall advise the
Court in writing within ten (10) days following the completion of mediation whether the
case and the June 8, 2010 Memorandum and Order should be reinstated”;

WHEREAS, the parties have reached a settlement of this case and, as of October
14, 2010, exchanged a fully-executed Memorandum of Understanding;


WHEREAS, the parties will file a Stipulation of Settlement once they have
reached agreement on terms and conditions related to the settlement;

THEREFORE, IT IS ACCORDINGLY STIPULATED by and between the parties
that, subject to the Court’s approval, the Court lift the stay of and reopen these
proceedings for the sole purpose of allowing the parties to seek Court approval of their
settlement, pursuant to Fed. R. Civ. P. 23(e); and,

IT IS FURTHER STIPULATED by and between the parties that the withdrawn
June 8, 2010 Memorandum and Order [Rec. Doc. No. 194] not be reinstated.

http://securities.stanford.edu/1039/DEEP_01/20101025_r01x_08CV00687.pdf


Case Summary:  http://securities.stanford.edu/1039/DEEP_01/



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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 06, 2010, 07:46:28 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_81944.php

Google translation:

CURACAO

Ban performances Aruban artists

December 6, 2010, 13:06 (GMT -04:00)

PHILIPSBURG - Justice Minister Elmer 'Kade' Wilsoe (PS) has banned for Aruban bands and artists in the months December to act on Curaçao. Wilsoe The decision follows the failure of a promised letter from the Aruban government, which equal treatment for musicians Curacao promised. The Aruban government had promised that this letter was coming, in anticipation of an amendment, allowing free access by January 1 will be for musicians and artists from both islands.

In a note through the microphones of Radio Direct Wilsoe Minister stated that he was the Aruban government has given plenty of time to settle this question. "There are so far two meetings have been Aruban Cabinet. The letter was already on 1 December should be, but we still have not received anything. With my decision I especially want an end to the confusion that now exists. Now there is clarity and we know where we stand. "The minister announced his decision is in anticipation of what will happen on January 1. If after today's decision the promised letter still come, this will not affect the decision on December. Wilsoe had this morning about "missing out".


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 06, 2010, 08:46:38 PM
Kyle Kingman was proactive in regards to his professional analysis of the ROV footage of the December 30, 2007 observation ... the observation dive when Aruban divers declared the contents of the trap were not relevant to the Natalee Holloway case.  At that period in time ... the ship's sonar/ROV operator/analysis took the initiative of sending six screenshots to the FBI.  Kyle also made an attempt to secure an FBI presence for the upcoming recovery dive.
_________
 
Absolutely Disturbed

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words
 
Kyle Kingman:
  If I didn't believe in what I witnessed and what I found, I wouldn't have shared it with anyone, especially on the net.  If I wasn't absolutely disturbed at how things turned out because of the project leads and corrupt officials I would NEVER have taken any action on my own.

 
Six Screenshots

oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #739 3/3 -
« Reply #79 on: March 03, 2008, 05:47:47 PM  »


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Video 2: Dec 30th - ROV and Diver visual-only inspection of trap.  This is the dive Dateline and Tim Miller witnessed, also the dive footage the screen captures I made came from that were posted by Robin at BNH.  I sent these 6 screen shots to the FBI and the FBI only. I was shocked to see them posted.  I thought we had a security breach on the boat from my workstation or a leak from the FBI.  Turns out the FBI gave them to Dave H. after he couldn't get them from me.  After Tim Miller told Dave that we found her in a trap with 99.9% certainty (this is pre-diver inspection), Dave very reasonably requested them from me.  I badly wanted to send them to him, but couldn't.  Apparently, shortly therafter the FBI send the screen shots to Dave anyway, and therefore Robin had them.

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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360047#msg360047


Simply Uninvited
 
Kyle Kingsman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
  The FBI told me they could not send a representative down to us in Aruba unless they were specifically invited to do so by the Aruban authorities. They were simply uninvited.

Kyle Kingman:  The FBI said they needed an invitation. I brought it up to Mos and Richardson  and they were talking as if it were a possibility along with a Dutch forensic team. Mos said it would take about 10-14 days to have a Dutch forensic team on site. Never heard another word about it.

Kermit - Scared Monkeys


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 06, 2010, 08:50:52 PM
It is a given that:
 
1. Kyle Kingman's revealed posts to a private forum regarding a Persistence betrayal in Aruban waters by John Silvetti should have been investigated by the FBI.
 
2.  Actual video footage of the three ROV dives encompassing the trap located in Aruban waters should have been investigated by the FBI.
 
3.  The American crew who were on board the Persistence during the search in Aruban waters should have been interrogated by the FBI.
 
4.  All pipeline/oil contracts afforded John Silvetti following the Persistence undertaking should have been investigated by the FBI.
 
Justice for an American citizen demanded it!  Why did it not happen?

++++++

Jurisdiction?

NANCY GRACE
Judge Dismisses Holloway Suit
Aired August 11, 2006 - 20:00:00   ET


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: Well, the facts still remain that those are the last suspects known to be seen with Natalee alive. And everybody knows of their repeated lies that they told the authorities, even their father, Paulus Van Der Sloot. That`s why he was arrested. There was a reason that he was arrested in Natalee`s disappearance. It was not unwarranted whatsoever.

And you know -- and being dismissed in New York, it was on a procedure ruling.  Here again, jurisdiction.  We have faced that issue since May 30 of 2005.  Jurisdiction and extradition hve hit us in the face every time.
 
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0608/11/ng.01.html

 
Homeland Security?
 
Does Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez have his Eye on Aruba? Talk about bad for their Economy
Posted February 23, 2007 by Scared Monkeys

 
If anyone wants to wonder why the US government never got more involved in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and why they did not take Aruba to task, they need only to look to the unstable leader of Venezuela for their answer. Hugo’s actions directly affect American's homeland security decisions.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/02/23/does-venezuelan-president-hugo-chavez-have-his-eye-on-aruba-talk-about-bad-for-their-economy/

Red - Scared Monkeys


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 06, 2010, 10:24:08 PM
NATALEE'S STEPFATHER

We Can Fix Her

NANCY GRACE
Aired June 7, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET


GEORGE "JUG" TWITTY, STEPFATHER OF MISSING GIRL: I hope, I pray to God that she walks through that door or that we find her somewhere. I don`t care if she`s, you know, in a crack house somewhere and she`s been drugged up for, you know, seven days or whatever. We can work with that. We can fix her. We can do whatever to get her back.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/07/ng.01.html


Just Like All Parents

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

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  Since entrusting Natalee's care to God, I welcome sleep when I can get it.  Nothing in my dreams is worse than my waking hours.  Ironically, sleep takes me out of the nightmare.  No question though, the lack of sleep is having an effect.  After holding it together all day, in front of others and in front of TV cameras, night is when emotions spiral out of control.

Feeling was unleased at the Cross, and it is a being of its own.  It can soothe me, and it can torment me.  It empowers me.  Yet I throw things when I'm alone in the room.  Shoes, Apples from a fruit basket.  Whatever is within reach when the urge strikes.  Sometimes the crying is inconsolable, and I hug the purple duffel bag.  Over and over I just hug it.

When Jug and I are in Natalee's room by ourselves, we kneel and pray together for her, staring at her picture on the bedside table.  We keep the light on.  Just like all parents do when they're waiting for their children to come home.

Another day passes.  And tomorrow and the next day and the next we'll put on our game faces and do it all over again until we find her.




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 06, 2010, 11:01:49 PM
Sad News from Mountain Brook, AL … Jug and Beth Twitty Divorcing
Posted January 5, 2007 by Scared Monkeys


168. JUG TWITTY on January 8th, 2007 9:27 am

I HAVE READ ALL THE COMMENTS AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE SUPPORT.REGARDLESS OF WHAT PEOPLE MAY THINK I STILL LOVE BETH,MATT,AND NATALEE.I WILL ALWAYS BE THERE FOR THEM.I PRAY FOR CLOSURE EVERYNIGHT SO BETH CAN REST.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/01/05/sad-news-from-mountain-brook-al-jug-and-beth-twitty-divorcing/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 06, 2010, 11:03:08 PM
2NJ

Would you please delete #304.  Something happened.

Thanks

Janet

Done.  MuffyBee


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: billb's daughter on December 07, 2010, 12:35:55 AM
urine, k2, sloots, aruba, jansen, jan vs, frosted flakes, rudy, nelson, mos, persistence, john s, louis s, tm, kyle, and all the dis-info crew...and jossy....urine is the face of aruba for America......What you did to Natalee, Beth, Dave, Matt, Jug, and family...will never be forgotten.....bringing Natalee home will be a start for forgiveness...
Justice for Natalee is just around the corner... ::MonkeyAngel::
Matter of time...nothing else..... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 07, 2010, 11:11:25 AM
http://www.hospitalitynet.org/news/4049381.print

Hospitality Net - Article
For more news visit: http://www.hospitalitynet.org
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Tropicana Entertainment Partners with UniFocus

7 December 2010



UniFocus today announced its partnership with Tropicana Entertainment to design and deploy a new, robust Guest Satisfaction Survey system in their ten casinos and resorts. The Las Vegas-based company owns approximately 6,000 rooms, 9,000 slot positions and 250 table games across five states and Aruba.


"We are happy to announce our partnership with UniFocus and the implementation of its Guest Satisfaction Survey throughout our properties," said Trent Dang, Corporate Director of Marketing at Tropicana Entertainment Inc. "The UniFocus Guest Satisfaction Survey system will enable us to know what our players think, identify any critical issues and, most importantly, provide the kind of personalized service that wins their loyalty."

The Guest Satisfaction Survey from UniFocus is a comprehensive system that collects feedback about every facet of the casino resort business, and then analytically turns this into actionable intelligence. No stone is unturned: facilities and staff, table games, slot machines and cage cashiers, to F&B, housekeeping and room service.

"We are pleased to announce our strategic partnership with Tropicana Entertainment," said Mark Heymann, President and CEO of UniFocus. "Our Guest Satisfaction Survey is designed to glean critical knowledge about the customer's service experience in the casino resort environment. And this system is built so that operators can clearly quantify where revenue is at risk and improve their success rate in service recovery efforts."

UniFocus' Guest Satisfaction Survey system utilizes customized survey questions designed to distill the most critically important issues surrounding the customer experience, and also includes these vital features:


Real-time alerts to key staff for immediate action.
Critical Issue Reporting – Bubble up the items that are most highly correlated to customers' intent to return and recommend.
Revenue at Risk-See the dollar amount associated with performance; based upon customer's intent to return and recommend, you will know the "cost of quality."
Service Recovery Index-Understand how well the staff is resolving issues by problem type.
Issue Analysis Reporting-Put corrective actions into play per frequency and types of issues.


About Tropicana Entertainment | Tropicana Entertainment Inc. is a publicly reporting company that, along with its affiliates, owns or operates nine casinos and resorts in Indiana, Louisiana, Mississippi, Nevada, and New Jersey. In addition, the Company owns a development property in Aruba. It owns approximately 6,000 rooms, 9,000 slot positions and 250 table games. The company is based in Las Vegas, Nevada. For more information, visit www.tropicanacasinos.com.


About UniFocus | UniFocus is a global pioneer in the hospitality industry for advanced technology solutions-utilized today in more than 82 countries. Our technologies include industry-leading labor management systems, integrated with time & attendance; budgeting and performance intelligence. Coupled with guest, employee and meeting planner feedback, and multi-dimensional mystery evaluations, UniFocus' unmatched consulting and training expertise ensures clients get measurable returns for the systems we deliver-and customize to their needs.

UniFocus is a member of the American Resort Development Association (ARDA), a member of the Association of Collegiate Conference and Events Directors-International (ACCED-I), a Microsoft® Certified Partner, an affinity partner of the International Association of Conference Centers, and an allied member of the American Hotel & Lodging Association. For more information, visit www.unifocus.com or call 972-512-5100.

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Email: madkisson@unifocus.com


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USA - Carrollton, TX 75006
Phone: (972) 512-5100
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 07, 2010, 09:25:43 PM
I Drove Away Not Knowing

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 14-15:
  On Thursday May 26, 2005, Natalee came into my bedroom at three o'clock in the morning to tell me it was almost time to go. Everyone was gathering at a friend's house for the ride to the airport. My job was to pick everyone up at the airport when they returned on Memorial Day, Monday, May 30, 2005.

While Natalee was going to be out of town, Jug was going to his lake house to visit with his family and friends. In our marriage, the second for both of us, we rarely vacationed together. My son, Matt, had made his own plans with friends for the weekend, so it was the perfect time for me to take a much-needed, overdue trip to my family's lake house in Hot Springs, Arkansas. I had not been there in a very long time. Birmingham is about nine hours away, so it was just too long a drive since moving here to make the trip on a regular basis. I was very much looking forward to visiting with my family. Everyone's plans were made.

In the wee hours on this Thursday morning Natalee and I loaded her things in the back of the car and headed off to her friend's house. It was very dark at that hour, and we were both only half awake. But we did talk some. Small talk. We reviewed what she had packed, going through a mental checklist of passport, cash, camera, sunscreen, and the like. When we arrived at her friend's house, she came to life. The adventure she had been excitedly awaiting for months was finally about to begin. She jumped out of the car and bounced to the back to get her bag. I got out and walked around the car to help her. She gathered her things and looked up long enough for me to kiss her on the cheek.

"I love you! Have a great time!" I told her.

She replied, "Bye, Mom! Love you!" and slung her purple duffel bag over her shoulder.

The bag made her walk slightly bent to its opposite side. I got back in the car as she made her way up the long walkway to the front door. Turning the car around to leave, I stopped and looked back over my shoulder to see her go inside. The front door of the house opened just wide enough for her to slip in. I saw her silhouette in the beam of light that shone from inside. The light narrowed as the door closed, then disappeared completely. It was pitch-black again. I drove away not knowing that would be the last time I would ever see Natalee.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 07, 2010, 10:28:20 PM
Latest filing in the Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil suit.  It appears as though the Kalpoe attorneys requested a 60 day continuance of the trial and the judge approved it:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/K2Contin1.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/K2Contin2.jpg)

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(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/K2Contin8.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 07, 2010, 10:31:44 PM
FWIW - I'd much rather drive up to Los Angeles in April than February.  I hate to drive on that freeway in the rain and it's less likely to be raining in April  ::MonkeyGavel::

Better for taking pictures of the leprechans too  ::MonkeyCool::

(http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/8218/oldpicofdeepakandsatish.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on December 07, 2010, 10:41:12 PM
I can't wait, Klaas!! You'll be our roving reporter!!   ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 07, 2010, 10:45:08 PM
I can't wait, Klaas!! You'll be our roving reporter!!   ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel::

I'm still finding it hard to believe that it will ever happen but if it does, I'll be there!   ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on December 07, 2010, 10:45:11 PM
I Drove Away Not Knowing

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 14-15:
  On Thursday May 26, 2005, Natalee came into my bedroom at three o'clock in the morning to tell me it was almost time to go. Everyone was gathering at a friend's house for the ride to the airport. My job was to pick everyone up at the airport when they returned on Memorial Day, Monday, May 30, 2005.

While Natalee was going to be out of town, Jug was going to his lake house to visit with his family and friends. In our marriage, the second for both of us, we rarely vacationed together. My son, Matt, had made his own plans with friends for the weekend, so it was the perfect time for me to take a much-needed, overdue trip to my family's lake house in Hot Springs, Arkansas. I had not been there in a very long time. Birmingham is about nine hours away, so it was just too long a drive since moving here to make the trip on a regular basis. I was very much looking forward to visiting with my family. Everyone's plans were made.

In the wee hours on this Thursday morning Natalee and I loaded her things in the back of the car and headed off to her friend's house. It was very dark at that hour, and we were both only half awake. But we did talk some. Small talk. We reviewed what she had packed, going through a mental checklist of passport, cash, camera, sunscreen, and the like. When we arrived at her friend's house, she came to life. The adventure she had been excitedly awaiting for months was finally about to begin. She jumped out of the car and bounced to the back to get her bag. I got out and walked around the car to help her. She gathered her things and looked up long enough for me to kiss her on the cheek.

"I love you! Have a great time!" I told her.

She replied, "Bye, Mom! Love you!" and slung her purple duffel bag over her shoulder.

The bag made her walk slightly bent to its opposite side. I got back in the car as she made her way up the long walkway to the front door. Turning the car around to leave, I stopped and looked back over my shoulder to see her go inside. The front door of the house opened just wide enough for her to slip in. I saw her silhouette in the beam of light that shone from inside. The light narrowed as the door closed, then disappeared completely. It was pitch-black again. I drove away not knowing that would be the last time I would ever see Natalee.

 ::MonkeyTears::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: wreck on December 07, 2010, 10:56:08 PM
I would like someone involved or "in-the-know" to explain to mewhat the "Motion for Summaty Judgement" means and why it is not ruled upon BEFORE a new trial date is made. I see the Defendents refused to sign the new trial stipulation.  ::MonkeyConfused::  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: billb's daughter on December 07, 2010, 10:58:16 PM
FWIW - I'd much rather drive up to Los Angeles in April than February.  I hate to drive on that freeway in the rain and it's less likely to be raining in April  ::MonkeyGavel::

Better for taking pictures of the leprechans too  ::MonkeyCool::

(http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/8218/oldpicofdeepakandsatish.jpg)
If this ever goes to trial....I'll be there....I want to see the cowards in court.....As an old sub sailor.....one of the worst cuts to a person is to say they are lower than whale sperm.....
lower than leprechauns..... works too...... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: wreck on December 07, 2010, 11:03:31 PM
I would like someone involved or "in-the-know" to explain to me what the "Motion for Summary Judgement" means and why it is not ruled upon BEFORE a new trial date is made. I see the Defendents refused to sign the new trial stipulation.  ::MonkeyConfused::  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 07, 2010, 11:07:31 PM
Wreck - I don't understand all that either and would like some clarification.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: wreck on December 07, 2010, 11:31:04 PM
Wreck - I don't understand all that either and would like some clarification.
I'm thinkin' the Kalpoes (and/or whomever is bankrolling them) is just setting themselves up for more attorneys fees they will have to pay Dr. Phil. Just what in the hell will 60 days of "new discovery" bring after 5 years?????????


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 07, 2010, 11:40:16 PM
Wreck - I don't understand all that either and would like some clarification.
I'm thinkin' the Kalpoes (and/or whomever is bankrolling them) is just setting themselves up for more attorneys fees they will have to pay Dr. Phil. Just what in the hell will 60 days of "new discovery" bring after 5 years?????????

YUP  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: wreck on December 07, 2010, 11:43:55 PM
Wreck - I don't understand all that either and would like some clarification.
I'm thinkin' the Kalpoes (and/or whomever is bankrolling them) is just setting themselves up for more attorneys fees they will have to pay Dr. Phil. Just what in the hell will 60 days of "new discovery" bring after 5 years?????????

YUP  ::MonkeyDevil::
It's just insane. The same judge (I presume) made a big point in September that the Plaintiffs had 'over-extended' the patience of the court --- I just don't get it.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 07, 2010, 11:55:26 PM
Wreck - I don't understand all that either and would like some clarification.
I'm thinkin' the Kalpoes (and/or whomever is bankrolling them) is just setting themselves up for more attorneys fees they will have to pay Dr. Phil. Just what in the hell will 60 days of "new discovery" bring after 5 years?????????

YUP  ::MonkeyDevil::
It's just insane. The same judge (I presume) made a big point in September that the Plaintiffs had 'over-extended' the patience of the court --- I just don't get it.

Could be there are extenuating circumstances like the Judge wants to take vacation in February or something silly like that.  There could be any number of reasons.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: wreck on December 08, 2010, 12:01:09 AM
Wreck - I don't understand all that either and would like some clarification.
I'm thinkin' the Kalpoes (and/or whomever is bankrolling them) is just setting themselves up for more attorneys fees they will have to pay Dr. Phil. Just what in the hell will 60 days of "new discovery" bring after 5 years?????????

YUP  ::MonkeyDevil::
It's just insane. The same judge (I presume) made a big point in September that the Plaintiffs had 'over-extended' the patience of the court --- I just don't get it.

Could be there are extenuating circumstances like the Judge wants to take vacation in February or something silly like that.  There could be any number of reasons.
Or, the judge takes a perverse pleasure in upping the sanctions against the plaintiffs.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on December 08, 2010, 12:10:56 AM
I can't wait, Klaas!! You'll be our roving reporter!!   ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel::

I'm still finding it hard to believe that it will ever happen but if it does, I'll be there!   ::MonkeyGavel::

 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 08, 2010, 08:31:57 AM
Wreck - I don't understand all that either and would like some clarification.
I'm thinkin' the Kalpoes (and/or whomever is bankrolling them) is just setting themselves up for more attorneys fees they will have to pay Dr. Phil. Just what in the hell will 60 days of "new discovery" bring after 5 years?????????

YUP  ::MonkeyDevil::
It's just insane. The same judge (I presume) made a big point in September that the Plaintiffs had 'over-extended' the patience of the court --- I just don't get it.

Could be there are extenuating circumstances like the Judge wants to take vacation in February or something silly like that.  There could be any number of reasons.
Or, the judge takes a perverse pleasure in upping the sanctions against the plaintiffs.  ::MonkeyCool::

Maybe it's just a loophole the new attorneys pulled out and the court allowed as a courtesy.....don't know...just another guess.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Jonathan45 on December 08, 2010, 08:41:07 AM
Today, december 8, the former judge Wedzinga published his continuing story [in Dutch] about the disappearing of Natalee Holloway.

see: www.raadsheer-wedzinga.nl (http://www.raadsheer-wedzinga.nl)

For me this judge and and Tom Welles are trolls and body-snatchers.




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: wreck on December 08, 2010, 10:24:07 AM
Today, december 8, the former judge Wedzinga published his continuing story [in Dutch] about the disappearing of Natalee Holloway.

see: www.raadsheer-wedzinga.nl (http://www.raadsheer-wedzinga.nl)

For me this judge and and Tom Welles are trolls and body-snatchers.



Could you translate or give us a summary of the article?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 08, 2010, 11:31:16 AM
Through Google Translate....my apology...I am not as good at this as TM or other members.

http://www.raadsheer-wedzinga.nl/

Dutch to English translation
tadalafil
  Home Personal Profile Lectures Fees Latest News Contact-Jacobin Wedzinga



08
DecDe double murder at the Marriott Hotel
Author Wicher Wedzinga

On June 24, 2005 are Joran, Deepak and Satish - the three musketeers - in the backseat of a police car. Tempers are heated. They are aware of a time to their own devices. The call is tapped, like more calls from friends tapped. But in this case takes a bizarre turn the conversation. The relationship between the three emerges sharply and the content of the interview is revealing. Joran sometimes leaves his true face, which is a rarity.

The report of this sensational conversation as an introduction to my reconstruction of the "murder" of Natalee Holloway. This reconstruction is based on a detailed analysis of the file available to me. Its content is an important part in an earlier message. All information is filtered and weighed. In my analysis I try to sketch a coherent picture of events.

Deepak: How does it feel Joran?
Joran: (with raised voice) You let my father be arrested, friend.
Deepak: (very calm) That's what I say. How does it feel?
Joran: You know no good thats my father HAS nothing to do [with this}. I have read your statements, friend. You two are lying shit. (Then very calmly) You know what happened with That Girl. If you do not know it, then nothing happened. (Then angrily) So, you fxxx. What do you say, Freddy That HAS to be arrested?
Deepak: That Freddy HAS to tell the truth.
Joran: You know very well that Freddy HAS Told the Truth.
Satish: Will You see, you see compromise.
Deepak: You Could have prevented it from the beginning, this, or your father. You know it. That he was not arrested.
Joran: How? How? (Stretches "how" out) You declare shit against him. My father only wanted to help you, friend. Only to help you was what my father wanted. My father himself arranged your lawyers. And this is how you pay it back. (Now with an angry voice) I Should hit you both once [to give a blow].
Deepak: Then try it. You Can Make It Better at one time.
Joran: About what? You Can Also make it better.
Deepak: You just have to tell the truth. Tomorrow, I'll get my last 8 days and then I'm going home.
Joran: That's what you think.
Deepak: I'm going home.
Joran: Wait until I'm going to tell stuff about you two. Then we'll see if you two are going home.
Deepak: I guarantee you.
Joran: Do you think thats the police is interested in knowing That Satish touched a girl with the car?
[The word 'concern' is being used, translated here literally, but you-can use the word 'hit' Also in the context].
Satish: He heh one [?], Boy you let me laugh, just laugh.
Deepak: (to Joran) You know dang well, you always try to put bullshit between us.
Joran: (to Deepak) Then you're going to tell shit about the ChoHer [Choller]? I Have Helped you with That That Shit of the Choller friend.
Deepak: And, Also I said that.
Joran: That I have not read. Also I have read That statement.
Satish: That of the chollers was from me.
Deepak or Satish: That I have Already Told before. Also I have said thats in my first statement.
Satish: I said it in my own interest.
Joran: That's what the police tells me now. Police now says to me, like, if you two go against me, I'll go against you two.
Brothers: (laughing) Hehehehehehehe.
Satish: We do not put you into trouble. We just tell the truth.
Joran: That you two do not do. The half of what you two have said fxxxing isn't the truth. It will come forward. Just Like They check me, They check you two also.
Satish: With us, with us, They can-get evidence, but not with you. [A bit Unclear: It's: with us, with us. Can they get evidence, but with you nief] With lies, you do not get evidence,
Joran: All that shit of "Karen," all two of you do not know or no shit. Fxxx you two.
Deepak: You think thats the girl HAS nothing on, you see who compromise fxxxed who (this sentence was not good to understand) [note of the police officer]
Joran: We Will see. Hey, you know when I will laugh, if I've Given you a slap in the face. When They laugh I'll find the girl alive, fxxx you.
Joran: I know very well that you are afraid. That is if you two have done something bad with That Girl. And if They find the girl, then Shall we see
Satish: I'm not afraid. Why must I be afraid?
Deepak: I want to find the girl themself. You are going to tell shit about me That I have buried the girl at Fisherman's Hut
Joran: Who has said about Burying? I did not say anything about Burying.
Deepak: That's what you have Stated. That stop with bullshit.
Joran: I have said nothing about Burying. The only thing I can think or what, Is That You Know People that it is the people of automotive enterprises.
Satish: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, then I had a flat tire, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah ... I picked you up, right. And then I went back to the beach for her.
Joran: Who has said that?
Satish: You said that.
Joran: That I have never said friend. I have never said That you went back, friend.
Joran: That's your problem. They find if That Girl, They Will See That shit then.
Deepak: Eight more days and then I'm going home, I guarantee You That for a 1000 per cent.
Joran: We Will see.
Deepak: (to Joran) You do not give a shit about your, the members of your own family.
Joran: The only thing that I can think of is my family. I do what my family tells me to do. Right, +++++.
Deepak: Your own father, unbelievable.
Joran: What My Father, it is your fault That he was arrested. I did not declare anything against my father, my father against you two Declared
Satish: We did not declare anything.
Joran: Or course, you did.
Satish: What did I tell against your father?
Joran: You are counting That he Declared, That if there is no body [body = dead body], there is no case or what I do. All shit. That is totally not true, That is the only thing he said was, if there is no body [body = body], then there isn'ta case.
Deepak: Yes, that's true.
Joran: That's not true.
Deepak: Also I said in my statement, That Meant it was not like that.
Joran: Did not read it in your statement. That They now use against my father.
Deepak: We suffered a lot Because of You.
Joran: That's the price That You let my father pay. That you let him poke like that. Fxxx you. If you let me drowsy, I say ok. It does not matter to me. I can just sit here for 160 days. It does make a difference to me fxxxing. I'm sitting good here.
Brothers: Me too. Me too.
Joran: And you Satish, they're counting me That You asshole, see ghosts in the [jail] cell. They told me That you saw the girl in your cell and That You were very scared.
Satish: Me seeing ghosts? Two Other Boys Were seeing ghosts. Also you believe the people who are here in jail. That HAS nothing to do with ghosts And That's just garbage shit what you say.
Joran: They talk good about me, but not good about you. And Also the two security guards, They have guaranteed me That They will kill you two, if you go out of jail.
Deepak: Oh, yes.
Joran: Who has Declared about the security guards, you no tme. Why? Because I do not want to put anyone in trouble Who has nothing to do with the case.
Deepak or Satish: (screaming) That lie was for you.
Joran: You Admitted that.
Deepak or Satish: (screaming) That lie was for you.
Joran: You two paid him off, right.
Brothers: ha ha ha ha ha ha
Joran: You said over the telephone then like, That I have the jackpot. You said now [?] Through the phone, I have the fxxxing jackpot. You forget thats the phone is tapped, right?
Satish or Deepak: Shut your trap [shut the f*** up]
Joran: You forget That, right +++++? Then you arrive home and you say how you arranged everything. You say "I have fixed it. Good for you [Meaning your own fault]. Because of You Also he is in jail.
Deepak: Yeaaaaaaaaahhh! Yeahhhhhhhhh!
Joran: (to brothers) Man, what can you do go? [Illegible, what is typed is: jucfc juflfe]
Deepak: (to Joran) What can you go do?
Joran: Make me, shut my mouth no
Brothers Fxxx you, we do not talk anymore with you.
Deepak: (to Joran) You talk Until you get tired.
Satish: (to Deepak) Do you have clothes?
Deepak: What am I going to do with Those? I'm leaving anyway in [illegible] days.
Joran: That's what you think.
Deepak: Shut your trap. Shut your trap, you bitch. Fxxx your father.
Joran: If my father doesnâ leave tomorrow, then you'll see. Boy, shut your mouth shut before I hit it.
Deepak: Do it then, you're Already in jail.
Joran: Does not matter to me. They can-just put me in the solitary fxxxing [cashot]. It does not matter to me.
Deepak: They're going to give you fifteen years if They find the girl.
Joran: For what? for what?
Deepak: That scholarship or yours. Byeeeeeeee. You Can forget it.
Joran: Yeah, by who? By you, +++++. You know well that you did bad, Otherwise You Would not Lie.
Brothers: aaiaaieaaieeaiee!
Joran: I Should have killed you, +++++. Shut your trap.
Deepak: Will not be fun, if you are standing in front of the judge or instructions tomorrow. Why not? Too much evidence?
Joran: Then They Are Also allowed to hit me. Do you think thats it makes a difference to me. One Will Be weak enough.
Satish: You think, you think.
Joran: What do you think, That You are going home to get your gun?
Satish: That I have a gun.
Joran: Satish, you, get gun at home, me shoot you two dead.
Satish: Look, the police went to my house and Already Already Investigated [searched] the house. They did find a gun? What Will she get? ["What will they get." The word "they" is the word for 'she' or for 'They', but They use the singular verb for 'will', therefore'she ']
Deepak: (to Joran) Sometimes, you talk bullshit, right?
Joran: (to Deepak) Why That shit is not true? Witnesses saw you.
Satish: In the end we see Will, who gets out and who stays. You tell the truth, We Shall see.
Joran: I know That I'm getting out.
Brothers: We shall see. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
   
 

 

Natalee Holloway had been at the time of death of Queen transformed into a pawn in chess game to bet that had to conceal the truth. A young American girl was killed in the immediate vicinity of the Marriott Hotel after excluding probability bordering on certainty was drugged and sexually abused by at least Joran. That did not happen on the beach and not at the Fisherman's Huts. The story that Joran as a mantra over and over again about opdist is geloochenstraft by the facts. There were on the night of the Soul Beach Festival many witnesses on the beach at the hotel and no one has seen Natalee and Joran. The only witness who explained in detail about it, later admitted the story to have sucked his thumb. And Steve Croes had his own reasons for his mother to deceive.

The story that he was with Natalee back and forth walked, with her had sex and her as "passed out" has left behind is thus considered unlikely to be chronicled, except that Natalee Holloway indeed "passed out", but first after she was sexually abused by a fleeing car was run over, was beaten and bleeding like a pig and trembling like an aspen leaf gave up the ghost. Call it murder, call it murder, call it manslaughter. Me, in this case do not care. Legally, it is between these alternatives, although a world of difference, but morally blurred the boundaries, especially in this case. The death of Natalee Holloway is very much like a chronicle of a death foretold. A chronicle in the course begins Sunday May 29, 2005, but the germs may have already been laid much earlier. Read more »

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NovDe boomerang Wilders
Author Wicher Wedzinga

As the number of party members with a criminal record grows, Wilders turns increasingly into a leader. A leader of a criminal organization, that is. Such a leader must of course themselves also have some on his tally. Otherwise she does not count. But at that point, Wilders is not affected. He has to February 7, 2011 Amsterdam appear in court again and again Moszkowicz and defended by the Public Prosecutor. A court in all respects that he has treated too kindly.

 

This prosecution may well be, as the Solicitor General recently argued, the prosecution decision of the Court have observed, but this is obviously a travesty. That the prosecution had to do. Legally there was no escape. What matters is that the prosecution same prosecutors on the case put, which had previously decided to dismiss the criminal case. These will be located at the far-reaching decision of the Court have properly and everything was annoyed to find that they did not feel. An independent and impartial prosecution in a nutshell!

 

Of course the officers had other business at the session to deal with. That happens quite often after a prosecution decision and the argument that they are specialist judges in discrimination cases, is utter nonsense. So complicated is the case not be sensitive, but that is something else. It illustrates only the disdain of the Public Prosecutor for the decision of the Court. An attitude that undoubtedly supreme chief Brewers and his College of Procurators-General was dictated.

 

Meanwhile, as requested by Attorney General Abel and at the request of a dear friend Mr. Moore made election pamphlet, convincingly demonstrated the court on improper grounds challenged. The first victory of Moszkowicz, after a series of embarrassing legal defeats in this trial. Moszkowicz as a lawyer not a real high flyer, but admitted that he should be using his many friends in the media, the advertising business in good order. Too bad that his absurd request to challenge at the last minute by incompetent colleagues of Mr. Moore was honored. He had the acquittal for his client already own pocket and will probably also have baled. Moore and his colleagues had the request for the witness heard Jones based on current law can easily dismiss. But Moore apparently does not sit well with his expertise. Read more »

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NovIntermezzo Holloway: An intermediate
Author Wicher Wedzinga

 

 

Before the series of reports about the Holloway case "is closed with a piece about the corruption and conflicts of interest that a role played in the derailment of the investigation, I will soon be the final step of reconstruction of the events the night of Sunday, May 29 2005 on Monday, May 30, 2005 published a piece titled: "The double murder at the Marriott Hotel.

I am very conscious of the fact that the series of messages is hard to follow, especially for those not in the file are consecrated. I also have warned from the outset that the case file thoroughly. From several friends told me that it has become too detailed and that the main line is lost. Such criticism is justified, but taken into account. I therefore no concessions.

I refuse to surrender to the superficiality that journalists like Peter R. de Vries own, and not contributing to the solution but only victims. In this case, but in the past. The ratings are good and the money goes in, but it's cheap and easy, and who pays it to all those who have to lean? Also, I refuse to take sides, as numerous web site visitors do. They are for or against Joran, for or against Natalee and see everything through a narrower perspective glasses. Me it is about truth.

In the series of messages has so far attempted to make clear that Joran is certainly not unique in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway is involved. A thorough reconstruction shows that Deepak Kalpoe and Satish Kalpoe to a lesser extent, but also Guido Wever and Steve Croes the main characters to be counted. A missed opportunity to say the least, the spotlight is not on this person. Joran was an easy prey, but a prey that is difficult or did not catch. Now it is important to the investigation to focus on others.

In the fatal night of Sunday, May 29, 2005 on Monday, May 30, 2005 to play the key events is set between about 02.30 and 03.00 hours. Why detail is so important. The poker eight sheds light on those who Joran hand over your head and possibly the night there even have been active. Realize that efforts were made in that turbulent night Natalee's body and the traces of the crime to erase. Guido Wever no coincidence disappears without a trace a few hours. Deepak does not happen until Tuesday morning at 01.00 hours and in case his car is already about midnight to the home of the family Van der Sloot parked. Not coincidentally, Satish absent and Andre Santos is only a minor role assigned. Both have little or nothing to do with the death and disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

The father of Joran van der Sloot contrast, charges the suspected themselves to be closely involved. And that's putting it mildly. But I will and must choose my words carefully. That is something that few realize. The call for an accusing finger is easily done, but any sane person knows that there is more to it. Also, it is my primary goal was and is to the incompetence, conflict of interest and possible corruption by the government to prove.

I have many many new facts revealed and published. This is often done for reasons mentioned earlier muffled and the truth is often read between the lines. The many information "purify" and the relationship between events show this to my knowledge the first time that a complex but coherent image is created from the events surrounding the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. It is hopefully the prelude to a book that will appear in English. No money to earn, to be clear!

This afternoon is really clear whether the jaw of Natalee Holloway. If so, further investigation may be more evidence. In my contribution I have tried the direction for further research to determine. I am afraid that this re-examination by the police and judiciary on Aruba in hand is taken. Because they have failed miserably in recent years and are respected by the media.

In the message I hope the silk to make a loom. Will be clear what happened to Natalee.

Copyright @ wedzinga2010

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NovDe innocence of Joran van der Sloot (continued)
Author Wicher Wedzinga

Preliminary: For a good overview, it is desirable to read the above article first before reading this revealing piece. Revealing because for the first time a consistent and coherent image is created from those in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway are involved. Fragmented information on the Internet using the file on credibility and reliability and truthfulness therefore tested. This information is much more refined.

(....)

Whether it is true, I do not know. Information on the internet is too vague. Information from criminal and civil case provides sufficient guidance on to say that Natalee Holloway probably between 02.30 hours and 03.00 hours of life has left. At about 01.50 hours Joran and Natalee by Deepak and Satish in a quiet, unpaved road from the Marriott Hotel off. "A street with no name". Deepak and Satish were then driven home. Deepak logs at 02.00 hours on his computer. While he was chatting with his American vroend John Charles Croes comes an alarming call from Joran inside. It is 26.2 hours.

Joran should have been panicking. Deepak says Joran Natalee that he "passed out" on the beach left behind. I doubt the latter. Nobody Joran and Natalee on the beach saw the three fishermen who pretty much spent the whole night. Ed Kissel, to American classmate of Natalee, thought at first that he had seen her on the beach, but later proved to be mistaken. The phone itself comes not from the beach, but about 800 meters inland. The call takes about 8 minutes, but Deepak says there was interference on the line and suggests that the conversation took less time. Joran was walking on their way home. Without shoes, at least without a shoe. To 02.46 hours from the computer of Deepak a message sent to the mobile phone to Joran. The text is cryptic: "Wait till you get home. Miscalling me ". When asked during one of Joran claims his interrogations Deepak did not know what this means.

Could be. A persistent rumor that Deepak wants the clock on his computer has been compromised. The FBI has confirmed. Because he is good with a computer can use it, would in principle be possible. The text betrays a call from Joran to Deepak expected. That would mean that Deepak would assume that at the moment Joran his feet over the threshold set at home, but not at the computer. Joran would then have stompelend, huffing and puffing his home run. The file seems to indicate that he probably just after 03.00 hours and 03.30 hours short for home. Deepak or Satish sitting behind the computer and a short and turbulent exchange of messages follows. Joran walked home that is found in more or less support in a statement by a witness. Who first sees a sweaty and stumbling walk and later that same Joran Joran in the company of Paul van der Sloot in a jeep.

It is about 04.00. And that is true. Because the file seems to follow that Joran to 03.56 hours at his computer and that from that time two porn movies for download. And for that you do not have to sit at the computer. It seems likely that the father of Joran around quarter to three on alert condition. Because at 02.34 hours shifts the younger brother of Joran on the computer. That is precisely the time when the crucial conversation between Joran and Deepak place or has just ended. It seems reasonable to assume that around that time in the Van der Sloot the alarm went off. Police also noticeable that the teenager in the middle of the night and active during the interrogation is thus repeatedly asked if he can drive a car. Reportedly, the mother of Joran stated that the phone one year later, near the Lighthouse Califormia found of him and not by Paul van der Sloot. Anyway, the idea has apparently been that the troops came into action. Read more »

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Buckeye on December 08, 2010, 11:31:51 AM
Today, december 8, the former judge Wedzinga published his continuing story [in Dutch] about the disappearing of Natalee Holloway.

see: www.raadsheer-wedzinga.nl (http://www.raadsheer-wedzinga.nl)

For me this judge and and Tom Welles are trolls and body-snatchers.



Could you translate or give us a summary of the article?


Nothing new.....guess we'll have to wait for the book  ::MonkeyNoNo:::


Dutch to English translation
On June 24, 2005 are Joran, Deepak and Satish - the three musketeers - in the backseat of a police car. Tempers are heated. They are aware of a time to their own devices. The call is tapped, like more calls from friends tapped. But in this case takes a bizarre turn the conversation. The relationship between the three emerges sharply and the content of the interview is revealing. Joran sometimes leaves his true face, which is a rarity.

The report of this sensational conversation as an introduction to my reconstruction of the "murder" of Natalee Holloway. This reconstruction is based on a detailed analysis of the file available to me. Its content is an important part in an earlier message. All information is filtered and weighed. In my analysis I try to sketch a coherent picture of events.
Deepak: How does it feel Joran?
Joran: (with raised voice) You let my father be arrested, friend.
Deepak: (very calm) That's what I say. How does it feel?
Joran: You know no good thats my father HAS nothing to do [with this}. I have read your statements, friend. You two are lying shit. (Then very calmly) You know what happened with That Girl. If you do not know it, then nothing happened. (Then angrily) So, you fxxx. What do you say, Freddy That HAS to be arrested?
Deepak: That Freddy HAS to tell the truth.
Joran: You know very well that Freddy HAS Told the Truth.
Satish: Will You see, you see compromise.
Deepak: You Could have prevented it from the beginning, this, or your father. You know it. That he was not arrested.
Joran: How? How? (Stretches "how" out) You declare shit against him. My father only wanted to help you, friend. Only to help you was what my father wanted. My father himself arranged your lawyers. And this is how you pay it back. (Now with an angry voice) I Should hit you both once [to give a blow].
Deepak: Then try it. You Can Make It Better at one time.
Joran: About what? You Can Also make it better.
Deepak: You just have to tell the truth. Tomorrow, I'll get my last 8 days and then I'm going home.
Joran: That's what you think.
Deepak: I'm going home.
Joran: Wait until I'm going to tell stuff about you two. Then we'll see if you two are going home.
Deepak: I guarantee you.
Joran: Do you think thats the police is interested in knowing That Satish touched a girl with the car?
[The word 'concern' is being used, translated here literally, but you-can use the word 'hit' Also in the context].
Satish: He heh one [?], Boy you let me laugh, just laugh.
Deepak: (to Joran) You know dang well, you always try to put bullshit between us.
Joran: (to Deepak) Then you're going to tell shit about the ChoHer [Choller]? I Have Helped you with That That Shit of the Choller friend.
Deepak: And, Also I said that.
Joran: That I have not read. Also I have read That statement.
Satish: That of the chollers was from me.
Deepak or Satish: That I have Already Told before. Also I have said thats in my first statement.
Satish: I said it in my own interest.
Joran: That's what the police tells me now. Police now says to me, like, if you two go against me, I'll go against you two.
Brothers: (laughing) Hehehehehehehe.
Satish: We do not put you into trouble. We just tell the truth.
Joran: That you two do not do. The half of what you two have said fxxxing isn't the truth. It will come forward. Just Like They check me, They check you two also.
Satish: With us, with us, They can-get evidence, but not with you. [A bit Unclear: It's: with us, with us. Can they get evidence, but with you nief] With lies, you do not get evidence,
Joran: All that shit of "Karen," all two of you do not know or no shit. Fxxx you two.
Deepak: You think thats the girl HAS nothing on, you see who compromise fxxxed who (this sentence was not good to understand) [note of the police officer]
Joran: We Will see. Hey, you know when I will laugh, if I've Given you a slap in the face. When They laugh I'll find the girl alive, fxxx you.
Joran: I know very well that you are afraid. That is if you two have done something bad with That Girl. And if They find the girl, then Shall we see
Satish: I'm not afraid. Why must I be afraid?
Deepak: I want to find the girl themself. You are going to tell shit about me That I have buried the girl at Fisherman's Hut
Joran: Who has said about Burying? I did not say anything about Burying.
Deepak: That's what you have Stated. That stop with bullshit.
Joran: I have said nothing about Burying. The only thing I can think or what, Is That You Know People that it is the people of automotive enterprises.
Satish: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, then I had a flat tire, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah ... I picked you up, right. And then I went back to the beach for her.
Joran: Who has said that?
Satish: You said that.
Joran: That I have never said friend. I have never said That you went back, friend.
Joran: That's your problem. They find if That Girl, They Will See That shit then.
Deepak: Eight more days and then I'm going home, I guarantee You That for a 1000 per cent.
Joran: We Will see.
Deepak: (to Joran) You do not give a shit about your, the members of your own family.
Joran: The only thing that I can think of is my family. I do what my family tells me to do. Right, +++++.
Deepak: Your own father, unbelievable.
Joran: What My Father, it is your fault That he was arrested. I did not declare anything against my father, my father against you two Declared
Satish: We did not declare anything.
Joran: Or course, you did.
Satish: What did I tell against your father?
Joran: You are counting That he Declared, That if there is no body [body = dead body], there is no case or what I do. All shit. That is totally not true, That is the only thing he said was, if there is no body [body = body], then there isn'ta case.
Deepak: Yes, that's true.
Joran: That's not true.
Deepak: Also I said in my statement, That Meant it was not like that.
Joran: Did not read it in your statement. That They now use against my father.
Deepak: We suffered a lot Because of You.
Joran: That's the price That You let my father pay. That you let him poke like that. Fxxx you. If you let me drowsy, I say ok. It does not matter to me. I can just sit here for 160 days. It does make a difference to me fxxxing. I'm sitting good here.
Brothers: Me too. Me too.
Joran: And you Satish, they're counting me That You asshole, see ghosts in the [jail] cell. They told me That you saw the girl in your cell and That You were very scared.
Satish: Me seeing ghosts? Two Other Boys Were seeing ghosts. Also you believe the people who are here in jail. That HAS nothing to do with ghosts And That's just garbage shit what you say.
Joran: They talk good about me, but not good about you. And Also the two security guards, They have guaranteed me That They will kill you two, if you go out of jail.
Deepak: Oh, yes.
Joran: Who has Declared about the security guards, you no tme. Why? Because I do not want to put anyone in trouble Who has nothing to do with the case.
Deepak or Satish: (screaming) That lie was for you.
Joran: You Admitted that.
Deepak or Satish: (screaming) That lie was for you.
Joran: You two paid him off, right.
Brothers: ha ha ha ha ha ha
Joran: You said over the telephone then like, That I have the jackpot. You said now [?] Through the phone, I have the fxxxing jackpot. You forget thats the phone is tapped, right?
Satish or Deepak: Shut your trap [shut the f*** up]
Joran: You forget That, right +++++? Then you arrive home and you say how you arranged everything. You say "I have fixed it. Good for you [Meaning your own fault]. Because of You Also he is in jail.
Deepak: Yeaaaaaaaaahhh! Yeahhhhhhhhh!
Joran: (to brothers) Man, what can you do go? [Illegible, what is typed is: jucfc juflfe]
Deepak: (to Joran) What can you go do?
Joran: Make me, shut my mouth no
Brothers Fxxx you, we do not talk anymore with you.
Deepak: (to Joran) You talk Until you get tired.
Satish: (to Deepak) Do you have clothes?
Deepak: What am I going to do with Those? I'm leaving anyway in [illegible] days.
Joran: That's what you think.
Deepak: Shut your trap. Shut your trap, you bitch. Fxxx your father.
Joran: If my father doesnâ leave tomorrow, then you'll see. Boy, shut your mouth shut before I hit it.
Deepak: Do it then, you're Already in jail.
Joran: Does not matter to me. They can-just put me in the solitary fxxxing [cashot]. It does not matter to me.
Deepak: They're going to give you fifteen years if They find the girl.
Joran: For what? for what?
Deepak: That scholarship or yours. Byeeeeeeee. You Can forget it.
Joran: Yeah, by who? By you, +++++. You know well that you did bad, Otherwise You Would not Lie.
Brothers: aaiaaieaaieeaiee!
Joran: I Should have killed you, +++++. Shut your trap.
Deepak: Will not be fun, if you are standing in front of the judge or instructions tomorrow. Why not? Too much evidence?
Joran: Then They Are Also allowed to hit me. Do you think thats it makes a difference to me. One Will Be weak enough.
Satish: You think, you think.
Joran: What do you think, That You are going home to get your gun?
Satish: That I have a gun.
Joran: Satish, you, get gun at home, me shoot you two dead.
Satish: Look, the police went to my house and Already Already Investigated [searched] the house. They did find a gun? What Will she get? ["What will they get." The word "they" is the word for 'she' or for 'They', but They use the singular verb for 'will', therefore'she ']
Deepak: (to Joran) Sometimes, you talk bullshit, right?
Joran: (to Deepak) Why That shit is not true? Witnesses saw you.
Satish: In the end we see Will, who gets out and who stays. You tell the truth, We Shall see.
Joran: I know That I'm getting out.
Brothers: We shall see. Yeah, yeah, yeah.


Natalee Holloway had been at the time of death of Queen transformed into a pawn in chess game to bet that had to conceal the truth. A young American girl was killed in the immediate vicinity of the Marriott Hotel after excluding probability bordering on certainty was drugged and sexually abused by at least Joran. That did not happen on the beach and not at the Fisherman's Huts. The story that Joran as a mantra over and over again about opdist is geloochenstraft by the facts. There were on the night of the Soul Beach Festival many witnesses on the beach at the hotel and no one has seen Natalee and Joran. The only witness who explained in detail about it, later admitted the story to have sucked his thumb. And Steve Croes had his own reasons for his mother to deceive.

The story that he was with Natalee back and forth walked, with her had sex and her as "passed out" has left behind is thus considered unlikely to be chronicled, except that Natalee Holloway indeed "passed out", but first after she was sexually abused by a fleeing car was run over, was beaten and bleeding like a pig and trembling like an aspen leaf gave up the ghost. Call it murder, call it murder, call it manslaughter. Me, in this case do not care. Legally, it is between these alternatives, although a world of difference, but morally blurred the boundaries, especially in this case. The death of Natalee Holloway is very much like a chronicle of a death foretold. A chronicle in the course begins Sunday May 29, 2005, but the germs may have already been laid much earlier.

For days before her death wandered around Joran Natalee and her friends around. American girls "en masse" for one week or ports of Aruba form a welcome target for Joran and his friends. That sounds like a reproach, but it is not intended. It is a game that is played from both sides. But in this case the game goes out of control, as is already the case with Karen. On Sunday May 29 at the Excelsior Casino is a poker player. Joran is out there early and play Black Jack from about 20.00 hours to 22.00 hours. During that time he joined Ruth McVay and some of her friends. Natalee Holloway is one of them. The girls know that it's their last night in Aruba and that they would find it fun when Joran later that evening at Carlos & Charlies is. Joran seems a bit cautious, but to bites. After he left the hotel casino, he goes home. Around 22.30 hours he sits behind the computer.

What happened in the time between about 22.30 hours and 00.30 hours is unclear and lends itself to further investigation, if only because no sensible thinking person believes that Joran, Deepak and Satish in a bar shortly before closing time hoping arrive in about a half an hour or more American girls to decorate and participate thrones. That research would presumably show that in that hour a kind of campaign plan was made for "date rape" in staging and maybe even shooting. A plan for a girl or more girls in the legal sense of the word rape and murder has been clearly prevail. Steve Croes and Freddy Zedan are hereby expressly appear. Croes was on duty on the Tattoo Party Boat, who is mentioned as a possible location. Why risked Croes, saying, his job in order to abandon ship and go to Carlos & Charlies? And when he put his job on the line, why he threw himself on a witness to the false alibi for Joran, Deepak and Satish to confirm? Was he the one with Deepak between 02.30 hours and 03.00 hours near the Marriott Hotel was spotted? Was he the one in the backseat of the Honda of Deepak Sat, Ramos was a gardener look at that car and threw? He was the third man along with Deepak and Satish night around 03.00 hours by car from Deepak was cleaning? Whether it was Freddy Zedan, who are more often used for camera - euphemistically said - erotic shots and, as such from the above tapgesprek show would have known what happened that evening and night had taken place? Freddy was with Joran that night, witnesses say., Including Melody, a former friend of Joran. The bosom friend of Joran gave himself a new pair of shoes. A generous gesture, but not without self-interest. Joran could not play tennis the next day. Not because he was limping and had walked home barefoot, but because the one who kicks up injuries.

According to witness statements can be inferred that Freddy Zedan was located on the back seat of Deepak's car was at the time gardener Ramos stationary car was in sight. That was after the alarming call from Joran to Deepak at 02.26 hours. Deepak shot to give help and was about 03.00 hours back home to his car to get rid of spores. He, Satish and Freddy Zedan subjected the car to the thorough and systematic cleaning. They did not know they were beaten by watching the neighbor of Deepak and Satish. Deepak and Freddy went from 04.00 hours to return to the Marriott and found there Joran and his father. There was little time and everyone was panicking. Natalee Holloway's body was hidden as soon as possible. Satish was at home at the computer and later declaimed on the phone to a friend Suriname. Natalee was in haste to the house of the family Van der Sloot transported. She has located there one day. No wonder the house and garden of the family could not be searched. No wonder the National Police Agency long after frantic efforts has been in the garden to find evidence. It was too late.

The pimps know to do and are caught, all before Natalee's last sigh. They are doomed to each other and keep each day to hand over the head. They have to! The evidence of a rape drug are not clear. Even in the root canal of a skeletal remains can still be found. Joran, Deepak and Satish have Natalee Holloway picked up at Carlos & Charlies, the sexual abuse has left its mark, there are witnesses - like Carlos Ramos, the gardener - that night in any case, Joran and Deepak have seen and there's more! Joran his future is at stake. And not only the future of Joran. Greater or lesser extent, the future of everyone involved at risk. That they have hitherto escaped the dance is not insignificantly due to the "lax" attitude of police, judiciary and some judges. Instead of the three musketeers Joran, Deepak and Satish immediately after their arrest false and contradictory testimony on May 31, 2005, was chosen for two innocent guards to put behind bars. The pimps got until June 9, 2005 free game and could use the fact that they were bugged and that their movements were monitored. That the case has not yet been resolved due to the incompetence, conflict of interest and probably corruption on the part of police, justice, and one or more judges and the unilateral vision of the mainstream media that primarily or exclusively have focused on Joran van Sloop.

Natalee Holloway was temporarily out of sight, but her whereabouts were temporary. Before the investigation was coming at full speed, had the body of the 18-year-old girl finally disappear from the earth. At the same time, it was obviously important to sand in the eyes of police and justice spreading. Paul Joran and his father a lie, therefore, that the earth has. Joran imagines up a storm by declaring that it was only later that evening with U.S. girls at the Black Jack table has been that his father at 23.00 hours has picked up at McDonalds and that Natalee neatly at her hotel, the Holiday Inn , was deposed, and he and Natalee confuse passing Ruth McVay. And Deepak and Satish are only too happy with him, late Satish some stabbing attack. The story about the trip to the California Lighthouse and the drop off at the Holiday Inn since it was hatched by Joran and Deepak, who later received support from Steve Croes. The father of Joran, who from the outset in the plot, must make a verbal splits. He denies Joran at 04.00 hours at McDonalds to have met and know are not many details to remember. Whether, when and where his son on Monday, May 30 on the bus to school and when he stepped Joran on Monday, May 30 at the tennis club has brought. And those two contacts with Natalee Holloway is not true.

In the afternoon and evening of Monday, May 30, 2005 and in the early morning of Tuesday, May 31 is work hard for the body of Natalee Holloway from the obstacles. Hence the reconstruction of the events that took place in that time frame should be as detailed. Joran has a foot injury and may not follow tennis, although he and his father in their statements to the police to turn around. Paul Joran turn off the racquet, but shortly thereafter goes back to the tennis to pick Joran and a helping hand. What? The detailed reconstruction suggests that Joran later in the evening and the night will be assisted by at least Guido Wever and Deepak Kalpoe. Natalee Holloway that night was buried at the California Lighthouse. There is therefore the signal from the mobile phone picked up Joran. Perhaps the intention been to Natalee in a boat and shipped her body at the bottom of the ocean to anchor. A risky operation, but the speedboat Gottenbos of the family was there ready to speak. Anyway, where was not done. If the plan already has been there at an early stage from view. Late in the afternoon or early evening. was decided that the body of Natalee Holloway had to be relocated. They got wind of that from an American plane with the family of Natalee was on?

The above scenario is supported by technical data and witness statements. The resulting evidence confirms that the center of the actvititeiten that night in close proximity to the California Lighthouse, at Malmok and the Holiday Inn, where the boat from the father of Koen and Sander Gottenbos anchor and the house of the family Van der Sloot. Around midnight, the car of Deepak in the family home of Joran. There is feverishly discussed between Joran, Deepak, Guido Wever, Paul van der Sloot. André Santos's statements are reliable and meaningful. The Holloway family is coming and haste is needed. Joran, Deepak and Guido head back up towards casinos and bewildered Andre Santos sees his friends resurface. Joran gets a lift from Guido Wever and at 01.00 hours at the Radisson Deepak also shows his face. But not for long. Deepak tells an excuse that he wants the Wyndham Casino and departs from the Radisson with Joran in his wake. As the father of Joran call to the arrival of Natalee's family to announce, are the ways of Deepak and Joran already separated. Despite his statement, Joran is not currently in the car of Deepak. Time must be won. Paul leads the angry Americans to the garden to the Wyndham Casino to drive while he did not know that Joran and Deepak and Joran drive to the house of the family Van der Sloot, Joran because his father claims to have understood that home waiting for him. A curious misunderstanding.

Natalee Holloway is currently buried near the Lighthouse. That can not long remain so. The risk of discovery is too great. Is chosen as a simple and effective solution. The man who dig in the garden of the Holloway family has been performed to this day still amazed. The assignment was you he could deposit the cement? But Paul had his reasons for that job to be done by someone else. A good friend, so to speak. Everything suggests that Natalee Holloway is indeed at the bottom of the sea. Still. Not alone, but with a macabre souvenir of Joran. Evidence that Joran Natalee's death and links in which Deepak tapgesprek delicately refers. In the forthcoming book will be posting more details on this and other matters and people are revealed, but this I must first verify some clues.

Natalee Holloway in the early morning of Monday, May 30, 2005 killed. If we can call it murder is that night half murder. The victim is Joran van der Sloot. If he is being hunted down by the superficial money-grubbers of the media on the slaughtering block laid. And finally succumbed. Years later, in Peru.

Copyright @ Wedzinga2010

In the part about the cover-up that follows, will include consider the role of Guido Wever, the son of a former Aruban minister by his then-lawyer Spong his flight to the Netherlands before the disappearance of Natalee, would have made but those are not their friends had informed.

http://www.raadsheer-wedzinga.nl/wordpress/2010/12/08/de-dubbele-moord-bij-het-marriott-hotel/#more-1602




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 08, 2010, 11:52:54 AM
Buckeye,

Thank you.  It looks like I lost some of it when I put it through the translator.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: antunym on December 08, 2010, 12:10:07 PM
This writer keeps talking about a double murder that night. Who is the other victim in this?  Does anyone know who he is referring to?  There is talk about a "Karen" in the police transcripts.  Does anyone know who Karen is?  This writer also talks about Natalee being at the bottom of the sea with something that belongs to Joran. Is it the shoe??

mysteries mysteries lol.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: NM on December 08, 2010, 01:06:54 PM
Antunym,
Maybe "prosecutor" karen jassen.

Didn't jeffery cromvoit have a sister named karen in the "police" force?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 08, 2010, 01:16:54 PM
Antunym,
Maybe "prosecutor" karen jassen.

Didn't jeffery cromvoit have a sister named karen in the "police" force?

Joran also had a girlfriend named Karen, iirc.  Karin Jansen, the prosecutor, was my first thought.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: cadillac on December 08, 2010, 02:09:44 PM
Out of curiousity, why would the police secretly tape record the 3 amigoes in the back of a police car if the police intended to cover the crime up?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 08, 2010, 02:39:08 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_82027.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Wikileaks also affects Aruba

December 8, 2010, 13:00 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The world is in the grip of Cable Gate. Over 250,000 weeks messages from U.S. embassies are on the streets thanks to Wikileaks, and now it is clear that the leak does not stop it. The wait is 300 weeks on the news that Aruba is stated.

by our reporter
Ariën Rasmijn

One of the main features of the Internet is that it is very difficult for information to remove once when it was published and was taken over by several people. In this case, Wikileaks in just a few days into a global network of over 1000 zogheten mirror sites and products, saying, more than 100,000 people in possession of an encrypted secure copy of all documents. Attacks by hackers, the removal of donation opportunities and services to Wikileaks, sometimes under pressure from U.S. politicians, even the arrest yesterday of founder Julian Assange after search warrants from Interpol (on two counts of possible sexual assault or rape in Sweden) have activities of Wikileaks does not stopped. The genie is out of the bottle and there is no putting it back.

For many it is known how Cable Gate has been created. Namely, that information analyst Bradley Manning (1922) to his post in Iraq week messages were shown around the world has to do with the fact that since the attacks of September 11 all week messages, memos and other correspondence between U.S. embassies and public unfiltered approximate shared. To be sure everyone gets to look into each other correspondence as in any event not to miss the boat when an embassy in La Paz message does have Arabic-looking men taking flying lessons. The result is that Manning fairly simple cables 250,000 on a CD is to burn, these are reported to Wikileaks by playing. He has now gone into Kuwait on suspicion of distributing confidential information. A sentence of 50 years hanging over his head.

Venezuela
Or one can speak of a world before and after Wikileaks remains to be seen. It looks at any rate not appear that the publication of the more than 250,000 pieces will be stopped. Not the cable 300 messages according to the site were going to Aruba. Information on the number of messages per country and tag (tag) each country has been previously been supplied by Tableau Software Wikileaks. When this, like Paypal, MasterCard, Visa and a number of operators, suddenly refused to provide its service to Wikileaks was this rather important part of the site away from the air. Before, however, fell to read that Aruba (tag AA), almost 300 weekly returns of American diplomats was called. About the same as Malta, a sovereign country that is a lot bigger and just as centrally located in the Mediterranean, as in our region. The embassies of the news came and what topics were discussed, it is still unknown. However, it is immediately obvious to the Holloway issue to think, but also to FOL (U.S. defense unit in Aruba). Venezuela is located around the corner. And so you can basically keep on speculating. But for Venezuela to remain the U.S. dollar embargo, but also the impending gas line may have already been discussed. According to an employee of Department of External Relations, Aruba has the most contact with the embassy in Caracas, the consulate in Curacao and of course directly with Washington, our Minister Plenipotentiary there. In the previously published reports cable from the embassy in Caracas is not yet listed on Aruba.

VNO-gate
Who knows, one in Caracas and Washington also an unvarnished opinions on the current and previous governments of Aruba. Or about Valero, Ritz-Carlton and our relationship with the Netherlands. That diplomats to express their views, assumptions and findings be recorded in weekly returns, we could starting last year firsthand when one weeks notice of the

Representation of the Netherlands (VNO) addressed to the Dutch government through an email error on the street came to be. Ministers of the previous government of Aruba, leaders of the MEP and the Attorney General were in the mail from the Deputy Representative of Aruba, Myriam Jacobs, described as "oil men" and "calculating politicians on a collision course with the Netherlands thrilling. Then Minister Rudy Croes (MEP) and Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP) called the damage "irreversible" and even accused of spying Netherlands. It eventually ran off with a fizzle, and now the current Aruban government wants closer ties with the Netherlands just make no one there anymore.

But there is something to learn. The incident is in any case the importance of confidentiality and common sense become clear. To sending and receiving messages, agreements and week rules. VNO-Menno Bart spokesman said: "But those are contingent on assessment of sensitivity by individuals. That remains the weak spot. "


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 08, 2010, 03:09:44 PM
THE KALPOES' INVOLVEMENT

How is the Girl Doing?

Was there no follow up question from interrogators regarding Satish's words regarding Natalee?

Janet

+++++

Satish Kalpoe - Suspect Statement - June 13, 2005

My mother was then going to wake me up at 10.30 a.m. She though overslept and did not wake me up. I woke up around 12.00 noon. My brother woke up around 1 p.m. I asked him how Joran did get home during the night. He told me Joran had called him while walking in the direction to his home. He told me Joran told him he walked bare feet because he left the shoes at the beach.  Then I asked my brother how the girl was doing.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=382.0


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: antunym on December 08, 2010, 03:24:45 PM
Antunym,
Maybe "prosecutor" karen jassen.

Didn't jeffery cromvoit have a sister named karen in the "police" force?

Joran also had a girlfriend named Karen, iirc.  Karin Jansen, the prosecutor, was my first thought.



Was this girlfriend of his ever reported missing?  I was thinking karin Jansen also which puts her in the mess in the beginning.  I wonder who the other murder victim mentioned by this guy was? Or what he is referring to when he says that.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: antunym on December 08, 2010, 03:32:02 PM
Out of curiousity, why would the police secretly tape record the 3 amigoes in the back of a police car if the police intended to cover the crime up?

I think it was talked about at one time that maybe Joran was speaking with the knowledge of being taped.  His father Paulus was involved in the government there and knew people within that he could have told Joran of this.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 08, 2010, 03:34:51 PM
Antunym,
Maybe "prosecutor" karen jassen.

Didn't jeffery cromvoit have a sister named karen in the "police" force?

Joran also had a girlfriend named Karen, iirc.  Karin Jansen, the prosecutor, was my first thought.



Was this girlfriend of his ever reported missing?  I was thinking karin Jansen also which puts her in the mess in the beginning.  I wonder who the other murder victim mentioned by this guy was? Or what he is referring to when he says that.

The girlfriend wasn't reported missing, as far as I recall. 

The writer also wrote that Joran is the victim.  In my mind, perhaps he's referring to him. 

The writer is just theorizing on writings or translations previously posted on the internet or in the news.  I, personally, don't find him easy to understand, nor do I care to.  jmho


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: antunym on December 08, 2010, 03:41:34 PM
I know what you mean 2NJ. I try to gather the meanings also but the translation sends my mind in different directions. 

The more that i think that Deepak and Satish might not have been involved in the actual murder I realize that they would have come out years ago to clear their name.  But the truth is is that they don't because they were involved more in this.  I mean you see it.. "hit the girl with the car" in the recordings.  What happened there??
 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: antunym on December 08, 2010, 04:49:00 PM
THE KALPOES' INVOLVEMENT

How is the Girl Doing?

Was there no follow up question from interrogators regarding Satish's words regarding Natalee?

Janet

+++++

Satish Kalpoe - Suspect Statement - June 13, 2005

My mother was then going to wake me up at 10.30 a.m. She though overslept and did not wake me up. I woke up around 12.00 noon. My brother woke up around 1 p.m. I asked him how Joran did get home during the night. He told me Joran had called him while walking in the direction to his home. He told me Joran told him he walked bare feet because he left the shoes at the beach.  Then I asked my brother how the girl was doing.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=382.0


You pick this up very good Janet.  Why would Satish ask how the girl was doing unless he knew something went wrong?  The devil is always in the details.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 08, 2010, 05:12:06 PM
THE INVOLVEMENT OF THE KALPOES

The suspicions that dictated the second arrest of the Kalpoe brothers were not pulled out of thin air.  There must have been a foundation.  According to Arlene Ellis-Schipper ... strong suspicion is a legal requirement.

++++++

Suspicions

Brothers arrested again in Aruba case
Two held on suspicion of acting with others in teen's rape, killing
Saturday, August 27, 2005 Posted: 0319 GMT (1119 HKT)


(CNN) -- After being detained and then released last month in Natalee Holloway's disappearance, two brothers were arrested again Friday in Aruba on suspicion they acted "together with other people" in raping and killing the Alabama teen, the prosecutor's office said.

Without elaborating on the evidence, the office said in a statement that "new facts and circumstances" led them to re-arrest Satish Kalpoe, 18 and brother Deepak, 21.

"They are suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately raping somebody," the statement said.

"Aside from these suspicions against the two brothers, there are new suspicions, which at this point the prosecutor is not commenting on."

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/LAW/08/26/aruba.arrests/index.html


Strong Suspicion

NANCY GRACE
Aired July 14, 2005 - 20:00   ET


ARLENE ELLIS-SCHIPPER, ARUBAN ATTORNEY: There is no grand jury in Aruba. It`s a different system.  You are arrested based on suspicion, on strong suspicion.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/14/ng.01.html


Real Evidence and New Facts

Kalpoe Brothers Re-Arrested
Tuesday, August 30, 2005

 
ARLENE ELLIS-SCHIPPER, ARUBAN ATTORNEY: Well, I think it's a big moment, Greta. You know, the prosecution and the investigation is moving very carefully. They don't want to make more mistakes, and they are very careful. So they must have had some real, real evidence and new facts that they felt confident enough to haul them back in.  It shows that the police have done some good work and apparently gathered evidence, new evidence enough for to bring them back in custody.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,167372,00.html


Gang Rape

NANCY GRACE
Kalpoe Brothers Rearrested
Aired August 26, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET


HELEN LEJUEZ, TWITTY FAMILY ATTORNEY: I don`t think this has to do with a lot of wiretapping. I do believe it has to do with bringing forth the new evidence. It has to do with the case approaching the 60 days and that they are adding new evidence so they can have the case going.

NANC GRACE, HOST: OK, what new evidence, Helen?

LEJUEZ: The rape case.

GRACE: OK. You said new evidence. What "new evidence" regarding Natalee Holloway do you think prosecutors have?

LEJUEZ: Right now, they`re talking about a gang rape. So when we talk about a gang rape, we talk about a gang. The gang consisted of three of them. Right?

GRACE: Right.

LEJUEZ: Even though -- even though maybe it`s not out that the other suspect that`s in jail right now will be added to the gang, he is part of the gang.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/26/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 08, 2010, 05:40:43 PM
Steve Cohen implies that "off the record" two of the suspects had sex with Natalee Holloway.  The words of the spokesperson for the investigation affirms that Joran was not a lone participant in the event encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 ... the morning Natalee Holloway went missing.

Janet

+++++++++++++++

Full Knowlege of the Case

ARUBA TRUTH - December 7, 2005

A coalition of groups announced Friday the appointment of Steve Cohen to act as spokesperson to North American media, in regards to the Natalee Holloway disappearance case.

Mr. Cohen has been part of the Strategic Communications Task Force since its creation in June. He has a full knowledge of the case ....


Consensual?

CARIBBEAN VOICE - January 18, 2006


If current findings are true, Cohen said they are going to accelerate their efforts. Extensive search for forensic evidence continues. Yesterday, 50 members of the Aruban police department searched extensively through the dune by the lighthouse in search for clues. "Anything DNA that is identified to be of Natalee's will allow us to bring a strong case forward against the three boys. We are also getting to finally talk to some of the Alabama teens who left on that plane and did not wait around for interrogation," said Cohen.

Aruba believes it is most important to get a hold of her mental state and most importantly, Natalee's physical state at the time of disappearance.  "Two of the boys said they had consensual sex with her. Whether consensual or not, depends on her ability to be conscious and make a choice," said Cohen .


Off the Record

ARUBA TRUTH - January 29, 2006


There are concerns about the statements regarding the investigations view of whether or not any of the suspects had consensual sex with Natalee Holloway. It was not my intention to suggest that they had admitted any such actions on the official record.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 08, 2010, 06:01:04 PM
THE INVOLVEMENT OF THE KALPOES

In his own words Deepak Kalpoe claims that on the morning of May 30, 2005 he was attempting to obstruct an anticipated investigation into the disappearance of an 18 year old American citizen.  He also implies in his suspect statement that sexual activity with Natalee Holloway had taken place.

Think about it.  In the time frame when Deepak was chatting with his friend ... Natalee had yet to be discovered missing by her Mountain Brook friends.

Janet
____________________

I Chatted with John

Deepak Kalpoe - Suspect Statement - June 13, 2005

To your question as to who John Charles CROES is, where he lives and how often I have chatted to him on "MSN", I can say the following. The afore mentioned John lives with his whole family in Miami. I have known him since school. We were together at the MAVO. On Monday Mai 30th 2005 I had chatted with John from about 02:40 to 03:30 hours. We didn't chat continually. From time to time I went and watched some TV. But I am sure that he was online during the time-frame I just mentioned above here.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=182.0


Frustrate the Investigation

Deepak Kalpoe - Suspect Statement - June 29, 2005

You are telling me that John Charles CROES has stated that I wrote while I was chatting with him that I had written that the girl had put her hands in/down my pants, I can say the following. I did this to frustrate/mess up the investigation.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=192.0




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 08, 2010, 07:44:24 PM
THE INVOLVEMENT OF THE KALPOES

Case Documents


It appears that the office of the Aruban prosecutor denied the request of the Kalpoes' attorneys to release incriminating case documents ... case documents that the judge contends are required by Phil McGraw's defence attorneys.

Why was the Kalpoes' defamation suit not dismissed?

Janet

+++++


(http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/8063/16490008.jpg)



Judge allows lawsuit to proceed against Dr. Phil
The Associated Press

Date: Wednesday Feb. 6, 2008 10:12 AM ET


LOS ANGELES — A California judge refused to dismiss a defamation suit Tuesday against CBS and television psychologist "Dr. Phil" McGraw brought by two brothers who were questioned in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

William Cremer, lawyer for Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, praised the decision by Superior Court Judge Edward Ferns. "I'm going to take Dr. Phil down," he said outside the courtroom. ....

In their dismissal motion, lawyers for CBS Television and McGraw maintained lawyers for the Kalpoes did not meet deadlines to produce all documents they have demanded concerning the criminal case investigation against the brothers in Aruba.

But the judge gave the Kalpoes' lawyers another five days to satisfy the document deadline.

"The documents are relevant to the most fundamental issues in this case," Ferns stated in his ruling.

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20080206/dr_phil_080206/

 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Sleuth on December 08, 2010, 11:23:04 PM
Wreck - I don't understand all that either and would like some clarification.
I'm thinkin' the Kalpoes (and/or whomever is bankrolling them) is just setting themselves up for more attorneys fees they will have to pay Dr. Phil. Just what in the hell will 60 days of "new discovery" bring after 5 years?????????

YUP  ::MonkeyDevil::
It's just insane. The same judge (I presume) made a big point in September that the Plaintiffs had 'over-extended' the patience of the court --- I just don't get it.

I was thinking the same thing, Wreck.  I made a mental note to myself to check if it was indeed the same judge.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 09, 2010, 02:31:02 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

and Stephany!
 
::MonkeyJustice::



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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 09, 2010, 01:07:30 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_82075.php

Wikileaks also affects Aruba

8 Dec, 2010, 08:26 (GMT -04:00)


ORANJESTAD — The world is under the spell of Cable-gate. Well over 250,000 weekly reports from American embassies are on the streets thanks to Wikileaks and it is meanwhile clear that the leak cannot be stopped. What we’re waiting for are the 300 weekly reports in which Aruba is mentioned.

One of the most important features of the internet is that it is very difficult to remove information once it has been published and several people have taken over this information. In this case, Wikileaks has become a worldwide network of well over 1000 so-called mirror sites in a few days and, by their own account, more than 100,000 people are in the possession of an encrypt secured copy of all documents. Attacks by hackers, the loss of donation possibilities and services to Wikileaks whether or not under pressure from American politicians, even the arrest of founder Julian Assange after tracking orders from Interpol (in connection with two complaints of possible criminal assault or rape in Sweden) have not stopped Wikileaks’ activities. The ghost is out of the bottle and it will not go back in. Many people know how Cable-gate started, namely that at his post in Iraq, information analyst Bradley Manning (22) saw weekly reports from all over the world that had to do with the fact that since the attacks of September 11th, all weekly reports, memorandums and other correspondence between American embassies and government services are shared unfiltered between themselves. For safety’s sake, everyone is allowed to inspect each other’s correspondence so as not to miss the boat when an embassy in La Paz reports on Arabian looking males who are taking flying lessons. The result is that Manning had quite simply been able to burn 250,000 cables on a CD in order to pass these on to Wikileaks – according to reports. He is now in prison in Kuwait on suspicion of spreading confidential information. He could receive a 50-year prison sentence.

Venezuela
Whether one could speak of a world before and after Wikileaks, remains to be seen. In any case, it doesn’t look like the publication of all 250,000 or more documents could be stopped, nor the 300 cable reports that regard Aruba, according to the site. Tableau Software had previously supplied Wikileaks with information on the number of reports per country and which tag each country was given. When Tabluea Software, just like Paypal, MasterCard, Visa and a number of providers, suddenly refused to provide their service to Wikileaks, this quite important part of the site was no longer available. However, from that one gathered that Aruba (tag AA) was mentioned in some 300 weekly reports from American diplomats. This is approximately the same number as Malta, a sovereign country, which is considerably larger and at least as centrally located in the Mediterranean Sea, as we are in our region. However, from which embassies the reports had come from and which subjects had been discussed, is unknown yet. Nevertheless, it goes without saying one immediately thinks about the Holloway-case, but also of FOL (American defense force on Aruba). After all, Venezuela is just around the corner, and in principle, one could continue to speculate of course. To stick with Venezuela, one could have already discussed the dollar embargo, but also the upcoming gas line. According to a co-worker of the Directorate Foreign Relations, Aruba mostly has contact with the embassy in Caracas, the consulate on Curaçao and of course, direct contact with Washington via our minister plenipotentiary there. For the time being, Aruba has not been mentioned in the cable reports from the embassy in Caracas published so far.

VNO-gate
Who knows, perhaps the people in Caracas and Washington also have an unvarnished opinion on the current and the previous governments of Aruba, or on Valero, Ritz-Carlton and our relation with the Netherlands. We were able to see with our own eyes at the beginning of last year that diplomats openly record their opinions, assumptions and findings in weekly reports when a weekly report from the Representative of the Netherlands (VNA) addressed to the Dutch cabinet was published due to a mail error.
Ministers of the previous cabinet of Aruba, top people of the MEP and the Attorney General were described in the mail of the interim Representative of Aruba, Myriam Jacobs, as ‘oilmen’ and ‘calculating politicians who were pondering a ramming course with the Netherlands’.

The Minister Rudy Croes (MEP) and the premier Nelson Oduber (MEP) at the time said the damage was ‘irreparable’ and had even accused the Netherlands of espionage. It had eventually blown over and nobody is talking about it anymore, now that the current Aruban government actually wants to strengthen the bond with the Netherlands.

Nevertheless, one could learn from this. In any case, due to this incident the importance of confidentiality and common sense has become clear. There are agreements and regulations for sending and receiving weekly reports. On this, VNO-spokesperson Menno Bart says, “but this depends on the individual’s assessment of sensitivity. That remains the weak spot.”


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Kermit on December 09, 2010, 01:10:57 PM
Wreck - I don't understand all that either and would like some clarification.
I'm thinkin' the Kalpoes (and/or whomever is bankrolling them) is just setting themselves up for more attorneys fees they will have to pay Dr. Phil. Just what in the hell will 60 days of "new discovery" bring after 5 years?????????

The courts always allow continuances to attorney's. It is one way that attorney's make money doing nothing. Each time their is a continuance or a filing - it's the attorney's who bill the client.
Lawsuits typically take years and many times are settled at the last minute. It took John Q. Kelly a few years to bring O.J. Simpson to court, but eventually he did and the family won. Then you have to collect the money of the court judgment and that is another hurdle.

Let's hypothesize that the Kalopes lose and are ordered to pay judgement to Dr. Phil and Skeeters. How are they going to collect on leprechauns who live in a foreign country and only appear to have minimal jobs and attend online schools? Need to dig and expose who is bankrolling the Kalpoes and show corruption and obstruction of justice. imo






Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Kermit on December 09, 2010, 01:14:41 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_82075.php

Wikileaks also affects Aruba

8 Dec, 2010, 08:26 (GMT -04:00)


ORANJESTAD — The world is under the spell of Cable-gate. Well over 250,000 weekly reports from American embassies are on the streets thanks to Wikileaks and it is meanwhile clear that the leak cannot be stopped. What we’re waiting for are the 300 weekly reports in which Aruba is mentioned.

One of the most important features of the internet is that it is very difficult to remove information once it has been published and several people have taken over this information. In this case, Wikileaks has become a worldwide network of well over 1000 so-called mirror sites in a few days and, by their own account, more than 100,000 people are in the possession of an encrypt secured copy of all documents. Attacks by hackers, the loss of donation possibilities and services to Wikileaks whether or not under pressure from American politicians, even the arrest of founder Julian Assange after tracking orders from Interpol (in connection with two complaints of possible criminal assault or rape in Sweden) have not stopped Wikileaks’ activities. The ghost is out of the bottle and it will not go back in. Many people know how Cable-gate started, namely that at his post in Iraq, information analyst Bradley Manning (22) saw weekly reports from all over the world that had to do with the fact that since the attacks of September 11th, all weekly reports, memorandums and other correspondence between American embassies and government services are shared unfiltered between themselves. For safety’s sake, everyone is allowed to inspect each other’s correspondence so as not to miss the boat when an embassy in La Paz reports on Arabian looking males who are taking flying lessons. The result is that Manning had quite simply been able to burn 250,000 cables on a CD in order to pass these on to Wikileaks – according to reports. He is now in prison in Kuwait on suspicion of spreading confidential information. He could receive a 50-year prison sentence.

Venezuela
Whether one could speak of a world before and after Wikileaks, remains to be seen. In any case, it doesn’t look like the publication of all 250,000 or more documents could be stopped, nor the 300 cable reports that regard Aruba, according to the site. Tableau Software had previously supplied Wikileaks with information on the number of reports per country and which tag each country was given. When Tabluea Software, just like Paypal, MasterCard, Visa and a number of providers, suddenly refused to provide their service to Wikileaks, this quite important part of the site was no longer available. However, from that one gathered that Aruba (tag AA) was mentioned in some 300 weekly reports from American diplomats. This is approximately the same number as Malta, a sovereign country, which is considerably larger and at least as centrally located in the Mediterranean Sea, as we are in our region. However, from which embassies the reports had come from and which subjects had been discussed, is unknown yet. Nevertheless, it goes without saying one immediately thinks about the Holloway-case, but also of FOL (American defense force on Aruba). After all, Venezuela is just around the corner, and in principle, one could continue to speculate of course. To stick with Venezuela, one could have already discussed the dollar embargo, but also the upcoming gas line. According to a co-worker of the Directorate Foreign Relations, Aruba mostly has contact with the embassy in Caracas, the consulate on Curaçao and of course, direct contact with Washington via our minister plenipotentiary there. For the time being, Aruba has not been mentioned in the cable reports from the embassy in Caracas published so far.

VNO-gate
Who knows, perhaps the people in Caracas and Washington also have an unvarnished opinion on the current and the previous governments of Aruba, or on Valero, Ritz-Carlton and our relation with the Netherlands. We were able to see with our own eyes at the beginning of last year that diplomats openly record their opinions, assumptions and findings in weekly reports when a weekly report from the Representative of the Netherlands (VNA) addressed to the Dutch cabinet was published due to a mail error.
Ministers of the previous cabinet of Aruba, top people of the MEP and the Attorney General were described in the mail of the interim Representative of Aruba, Myriam Jacobs, as ‘oilmen’ and ‘calculating politicians who were pondering a ramming course with the Netherlands’.

The Minister Rudy Croes (MEP) and the premier Nelson Oduber (MEP) at the time said the damage was ‘irreparable’ and had even accused the Netherlands of espionage. It had eventually blown over and nobody is talking about it anymore, now that the current Aruban government actually wants to strengthen the bond with the Netherlands.

Nevertheless, one could learn from this. In any case, due to this incident the importance of confidentiality and common sense has become clear. There are agreements and regulations for sending and receiving weekly reports. On this, VNO-spokesperson Menno Bart says, “but this depends on the individual’s assessment of sensitivity. That remains the weak spot.”


Ministers of the previous cabinet of Aruba, top people of the MEP and the Attorney General were described in the mail of the interim Representative of Aruba, Myriam Jacobs, as ‘oilmen’



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 09, 2010, 01:14:49 PM
Notice of attorney association filed 12/6/10:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/K2AttyAssoc1206a.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/K2AttyAssoc1206b.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 09, 2010, 01:18:30 PM
Reminder - Gerardi and Keese are in Los Angeles:

http://www.girardikeese.com/

Graham LippSmith

http://www.girardikeese.com/Attorneys/Graham-B-Lippsmith.shtml

(http://wldimages.findlaw.com/images/1494554/3649778_1.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 09, 2010, 01:21:03 PM
PROTECTED BY THE "OILMEN"

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/Diario092010b-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 09, 2010, 01:26:06 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_82075.php

Wikileaks also affects Aruba

8 Dec, 2010, 08:26 (GMT -04:00)


ORANJESTAD — The world is under the spell of Cable-gate. Well over 250,000 weekly reports from American embassies are on the streets thanks to Wikileaks and it is meanwhile clear that the leak cannot be stopped. What we’re waiting for are the 300 weekly reports in which Aruba is mentioned.

One of the most important features of the internet is that it is very difficult to remove information once it has been published and several people have taken over this information. In this case, Wikileaks has become a worldwide network of well over 1000 so-called mirror sites in a few days and, by their own account, more than 100,000 people are in the possession of an encrypt secured copy of all documents. Attacks by hackers, the loss of donation possibilities and services to Wikileaks whether or not under pressure from American politicians, even the arrest of founder Julian Assange after tracking orders from Interpol (in connection with two complaints of possible criminal assault or rape in Sweden) have not stopped Wikileaks’ activities. The ghost is out of the bottle and it will not go back in. Many people know how Cable-gate started, namely that at his post in Iraq, information analyst Bradley Manning (22) saw weekly reports from all over the world that had to do with the fact that since the attacks of September 11th, all weekly reports, memorandums and other correspondence between American embassies and government services are shared unfiltered between themselves. For safety’s sake, everyone is allowed to inspect each other’s correspondence so as not to miss the boat when an embassy in La Paz reports on Arabian looking males who are taking flying lessons. The result is that Manning had quite simply been able to burn 250,000 cables on a CD in order to pass these on to Wikileaks – according to reports. He is now in prison in Kuwait on suspicion of spreading confidential information. He could receive a 50-year prison sentence.

Venezuela
Whether one could speak of a world before and after Wikileaks, remains to be seen. In any case, it doesn’t look like the publication of all 250,000 or more documents could be stopped, nor the 300 cable reports that regard Aruba, according to the site. Tableau Software had previously supplied Wikileaks with information on the number of reports per country and which tag each country was given. When Tabluea Software, just like Paypal, MasterCard, Visa and a number of providers, suddenly refused to provide their service to Wikileaks, this quite important part of the site was no longer available. However, from that one gathered that Aruba (tag AA) was mentioned in some 300 weekly reports from American diplomats. This is approximately the same number as Malta, a sovereign country, which is considerably larger and at least as centrally located in the Mediterranean Sea, as we are in our region. However, from which embassies the reports had come from and which subjects had been discussed, is unknown yet. Nevertheless, it goes without saying one immediately thinks about the Holloway-case, but also of FOL (American defense force on Aruba). After all, Venezuela is just around the corner, and in principle, one could continue to speculate of course. To stick with Venezuela, one could have already discussed the dollar embargo, but also the upcoming gas line. According to a co-worker of the Directorate Foreign Relations, Aruba mostly has contact with the embassy in Caracas, the consulate on Curaçao and of course, direct contact with Washington via our minister plenipotentiary there. For the time being, Aruba has not been mentioned in the cable reports from the embassy in Caracas published so far.

VNO-gate
Who knows, perhaps the people in Caracas and Washington also have an unvarnished opinion on the current and the previous governments of Aruba, or on Valero, Ritz-Carlton and our relation with the Netherlands. We were able to see with our own eyes at the beginning of last year that diplomats openly record their opinions, assumptions and findings in weekly reports when a weekly report from the Representative of the Netherlands (VNA) addressed to the Dutch cabinet was published due to a mail error.
Ministers of the previous cabinet of Aruba, top people of the MEP and the Attorney General were described in the mail of the interim Representative of Aruba, Myriam Jacobs, as ‘oilmen’ and ‘calculating politicians who were pondering a ramming course with the Netherlands’.

The Minister Rudy Croes (MEP) and the premier Nelson Oduber (MEP) at the time said the damage was ‘irreparable’ and had even accused the Netherlands of espionage. It had eventually blown over and nobody is talking about it anymore, now that the current Aruban government actually wants to strengthen the bond with the Netherlands.

Nevertheless, one could learn from this. In any case, due to this incident the importance of confidentiality and common sense has become clear. There are agreements and regulations for sending and receiving weekly reports. On this, VNO-spokesperson Menno Bart says, “but this depends on the individual’s assessment of sensitivity. That remains the weak spot.”

Thanks Klaas!

Janet

++++++

Does Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez have his Eye on Aruba? Talk about bad for their Economy
Posted February 23, 2007 by Scared Monkeys


If anyone wants to wonder why the US government never got more involved in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and why they did not take Aruba to task, they need only to look to the unstable leader of Venezuela for their answer. Hugo’s actions directly affect American's homeland security decisions.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/02/23/does-venezuelan-president-hugo-chavez-have-his-eye-on-aruba-talk-about-bad-for-their-economy/

Red - Scared Monkeys


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 09, 2010, 01:28:10 PM
It is a given that:
 
1. Kyle Kingman's revealed posts to a private forum regarding a Persistence betrayal in Aruban waters by John Silvetti should have been investigated by the FBI.
 
2.  Actual video footage of the three ROV dives encompassing the trap located in Aruban waters should have been investigated by the FBI.
 
3.  The American crew who were on board the Persistence during the search in Aruban waters should have been interrogated by the FBI.
 
4.  All pipeline/oil contracts afforded John Silvetti following the Persistence undertaking should have been investigated by the FBI.
 
Justice for an American citizen demanded it!  Why did it not happen?

++++++

<snipped>


BUMPED


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 09, 2010, 01:29:40 PM
PROTECTED BY THE "OILMEN"

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/Diario092010b-1.jpg)

 ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Kermit on December 09, 2010, 01:36:25 PM
THE INVOLVEMENT OF THE KALPOES

Case Documents


It appears that the office of the Aruban prosecutor denied the request of the Kalpoes' attorneys to release incriminating case documents ... case documents that the judge contends are required by Phil McGraw's defence attorneys.

Why was the Kalpoes' defamation suit not dismissed?

Janet

+++++


(http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/8063/16490008.jpg)



Judge allows lawsuit to proceed against Dr. Phil
The Associated Press

Date: Wednesday Feb. 6, 2008 10:12 AM ET


LOS ANGELES — A California judge refused to dismiss a defamation suit Tuesday against CBS and television psychologist "Dr. Phil" McGraw brought by two brothers who were questioned in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

William Cremer, lawyer for Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, praised the decision by Superior Court Judge Edward Ferns. "I'm going to take Dr. Phil down," he said outside the courtroom. ....

In their dismissal motion, lawyers for CBS Television and McGraw maintained lawyers for the Kalpoes did not meet deadlines to produce all documents they have demanded concerning the criminal case investigation against the brothers in Aruba.

But the judge gave the Kalpoes' lawyers another five days to satisfy the document deadline.

"The documents are relevant to the most fundamental issues in this case," Ferns stated in his ruling.

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20080206/dr_phil_080206/

 


When Mos arrested J2K again in Nov, 2007, he said that he could charge the Ks with at least body disposal or disposal of human reamins.





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Kermit on December 09, 2010, 01:43:29 PM
It is a given that:
 
1. Kyle Kingman's revealed posts to a private forum regarding a Persistence betrayal in Aruban waters by John Silvetti should have been investigated by the FBI.
 
2.  Actual video footage of the three ROV dives encompassing the trap located in Aruban waters should have been investigated by the FBI.
 
3.  The American crew who were on board the Persistence during the search in Aruban waters should have been interrogated by the FBI.
 
4.  All pipeline/oil contracts afforded John Silvetti following the Persistence undertaking should have been investigated by the FBI.
 
Justice for an American citizen demanded it!  Why did it not happen?

++++++

<snipped>


BUMPED



Just look at how this has all transpired and who was deceiving the families in order to keep the focus off search in the ocean.

(http://www.postimage.org/aVOjNqr.jpg)


Capslockwizard friends with Merryweather
John Silvetti knew John Merryweather
Michael Dompig friends with Kalpoe brothers
John Silvetti buddy with Capslockwizard
maps for oil
lets Aruba take evidence
Kyle stated many times it is human remains in the cage




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Kermit on December 09, 2010, 01:44:49 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/JesusCardosoAndresPichardo.jpg)
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8656.msg1250214#msg1250214

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8656.msg1250189#msg1250189

OILMEN, TOURISM




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Kermit on December 09, 2010, 01:48:09 PM
Reminder - Gerardi and Keese are in Los Angeles:

http://www.girardikeese.com/

Graham LippSmith

http://www.girardikeese.com/Attorneys/Graham-B-Lippsmith.shtml

(http://wldimages.findlaw.com/images/1494554/3649778_1.jpg)



HA - HE LOOKS LIKE JACKASS!!!

(http://stupidcelebrities.net/wp-content/Steve-O-photos.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 09, 2010, 01:52:36 PM

When Mos arrested J2K again in Nov, 2007, he said that he could charge the Ks with at least body disposal or disposal of human reamins.


 ::rhino::

Kermit

I have compiled official documents/statements implicating the Kalpoes in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 and ... there are also  public words spoken by Aruban authorities implicating the Kalpoes but ... bottom line ... the judges did not concur and ... charges against Deepak and Satish did not happen.

Janet

+++++

November 30, 2007 -- Updated 0017 GMT (0817 HKT)
Brothers to be freed in Natalee Holloway case


The Kalpoe brothers were previously jailed in the case, but were rearrested last week and charged with being involved in the "voluntary manslaughter" of Holloway.

The judge reasoned Friday that "the new evidence, together with the existing evidence in this case, produce serious grounds for the suspicion of some kind of aiding and abetting, of covering up the traces of a crime committed or of the disposing of a corpse," prosecutors said.

But people accused of those crimes do not qualify for pretrial detention under Aruban law, Mos told reporters.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/11/30/aruba.holloway/index.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Kermit on December 09, 2010, 02:01:55 PM

When Mos arrested J2K again in Nov, 2007, he said that he could charge the Ks with at least body disposal or disposal of human reamins.


 ::rhino::

Kermit

I have compiled official documents/statements implicating the Kalpoes in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 and ... there are also  public words spoken by Aruban authorities implicating the Kalpoes but ... bottom line ... the judges did not concur and ... charges against Deepak and Satish did not happen.

Janet

+++++

November 30, 2007 -- Updated 0017 GMT (0817 HKT)
Brothers to be freed in Natalee Holloway case


The Kalpoe brothers were previously jailed in the case, but were rearrested last week and charged with being involved in the "voluntary manslaughter" of Holloway.

The judge reasoned Friday that "the new evidence, together with the existing evidence in this case, produce serious grounds for the suspicion of some kind of aiding and abetting, of covering up the traces of a crime committed or of the disposing of a corpse," prosecutors said.

But people accused of those crimes do not qualify for pretrial detention under Aruban law, Mos told reporters.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/11/30/aruba.holloway/index.html


Janet,

We know it did not happen. They turned blood into chocolate too.
it's imperative to find and expose evidence not just Arubanese slight-of-hand type of investigating. Remember these kind of things - All of which show how these people will do
anything to protect their OIL and TOURISM, money laundering, drugs etc.




BLOG WHERE CAPS AND THAT ANIMO GUY ETC WERE BLOGGING:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://www.boublog.nl/2008/11/25/de-leugens-van-joran-en-de-pr-tegen-gielen/comment-page-5/&ei=_ZGXSoXzHI2QNvPruJ8F&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=6&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3DJohan555%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN%26start%3D90


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Kermit on December 09, 2010, 02:05:27 PM

STEP WATTS & JORAN IN THAILAND
http://stephww.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/fgallery2-8.jpg?w=450&h=450

(http://stephww.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/fgallery2-8.jpg?w=450&h=450)
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8135.msg1165275#msg1165275

FACE OF A MURDERER

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/JoranJaapCry-1.gif)
This face was Joran confessing to Jaap and giving him a map of where he buried Natalee
in the Bulbai. The map that Jaap sent to Dave Holloway. The same map that Steph Watts
went to Aruba and filmed himself searching for Natalee's remains.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 09, 2010, 02:18:51 PM

When Mos arrested J2K again in Nov, 2007, he said that he could charge the Ks with at least body disposal or disposal of human reamins.


 ::rhino::

Kermit

I have compiled official documents/statements implicating the Kalpoes in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 and ... there are also  public words spoken by Aruban authorities implicating the Kalpoes but ... bottom line ... the judges did not concur and ... charges against Deepak and Satish did not happen.

Janet

+++++

November 30, 2007 -- Updated 0017 GMT (0817 HKT)
Brothers to be freed in Natalee Holloway case


The Kalpoe brothers were previously jailed in the case, but were rearrested last week and charged with being involved in the "voluntary manslaughter" of Holloway.

The judge reasoned Friday that "the new evidence, together with the existing evidence in this case, produce serious grounds for the suspicion of some kind of aiding and abetting, of covering up the traces of a crime committed or of the disposing of a corpse," prosecutors said.

But people accused of those crimes do not qualify for pretrial detention under Aruban law, Mos told reporters.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/11/30/aruba.holloway/index.html


Janet,

We know it did not happen. They turned blood into chocolate too.
it's imperative to find and expose evidence not just Arubanese slight-of-hand type of investigating. Remember these kind of things - All of which show how these people will do
anything to protect their OIL and TOURISM, money laundering, drugs etc.

<snipped>


Sometime between the press conference of February, 2008 and the press conference of January, 2009 ... it appears that the Kalpoes' suspect status was negated.

Janet

+++++++


Aruban Press Conference 01/06/09
Press Anouncement


Ladies and gentlemen!

The Public Prosecutors Office Aruba and the Aruban Police Force would like to give you an updated summary about the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway …

• Amongst the witnesses were the two brothers who previously were suspects in this case but who, by the new statements of Joran, received an alibi from Joran, when he told the under cover that the two brothers are “jerks” who don’t know anything about what had happened … .

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/01/06/aruba-prosecutor-5-page-letter-dont-miss-the-part-where-he-trashes-fox-and-menever-dull/

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg614673#msg614673



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Kermit on December 09, 2010, 07:19:10 PM

Sometime between the press conference of February, 2008 and the press conference of January, 2009 ... it appears that the Kalpoes' suspect status was negated.

Janet

+++++++


Aruban Press Conference 01/06/09
Press Anouncement


Ladies and gentlemen!

The Public Prosecutors Office Aruba and the Aruban Police Force would like to give you an updated summary about the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway …

• Amongst the witnesses were the two brothers who previously were suspects in this case but who, by the new statements of Joran, received an alibi from Joran, when he told the under cover that the two brothers are “jerks” who don’t know anything about what had happened … .

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/01/06/aruba-prosecutor-5-page-letter-dont-miss-the-part-where-he-trashes-fox-and-menever-dull/

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg614673#msg614673

I doubt that anything Joran says about Kalpoe brothers is trustworthy.

The fact that Deepak chose to lie about Natalee and met with Paulus whom he says instructed them - gives us the first clue that they committed some kind of crime. Otherwise, why lie.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 09, 2010, 08:27:42 PM

Sometime between the press conference of February, 2008 and the press conference of January, 2009 ... it appears that the Kalpoes' suspect status was negated.

Janet

+++++++


Aruban Press Conference 01/06/09
Press Anouncement


Ladies and gentlemen!

The Public Prosecutors Office Aruba and the Aruban Police Force would like to give you an updated summary about the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway …

• Amongst the witnesses were the two brothers who previously were suspects in this case but who, by the new statements of Joran, received an alibi from Joran, when he told the under cover that the two brothers are “jerks” who don’t know anything about what had happened … .

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/01/06/aruba-prosecutor-5-page-letter-dont-miss-the-part-where-he-trashes-fox-and-menever-dull/

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg614673#msg614673

I doubt that anything Joran says about Kalpoe brothers is trustworthy.

The fact that Deepak chose to lie about Natalee and met with Paulus whom he says instructed them - gives us the first clue that they committed some kind of crime. Otherwise, why lie.


Exactly!!

However ... Aruba negates all the suspicions that we behind the three apprehensions of the Kalpoes in the Natalee Holloway case and ... embraces Joran's words in the Range Rover "confession" ... words that implied that Deepak and Satish did not participate in the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005.

Janet

+++++++

Deepak/Satish Kalpoe

06/2005
- Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

08/2005 - Suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately, raping somebody and new suspicions.

11/2008 - Suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that resulted in the death of Holloway.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 10, 2010, 12:15:31 AM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/25254-un-taxista-carga-cu-droga-den-su-boto-a-keda-deteni-.html

Papiamentu translation:

one taxista carga cu drugs in his boat owing to stay deteni

thursday, 09 december 2010 22:34

one golpi much strong the departamento across from drugs of cuerpo policial conoci because; seccion crimen organiza owing to strike low world. is talk of algo less cu 100 kilo of cocaina clean. the sospechoso principal in the caso here is robert geerman of tx-35 that owing to being grab cu more cu 50 kilo in his boat end chasers. ultimo time seems cu roberto was work some cu his taxi y was constant on lama. seems cu his trabao of piscamento owing to become buscamento y pasamento of drugs. the have one super good amistad cu esnan of kustwacht. they self never owing to live think cu they good amigo today is meti hoof claw in drugs. till even esnan of kustwacht is haci usage of the boat of robert geerman for leave pisca on lama. robert geerman self never owing to believe cu the will wordo grab but his number owing to play good play. for some time end they're behind the movecion of roberto. seccion crimen organisa was keep the instant oportuno for place hand on dje. owing to lage leave y diahuebs morning hour cu the was on lama biniendo ground owing to go pe. of marduga past owing to leave go pisca supuestamente. finalmente past owing to achieve the boat of kustwacht on dje y bingo owing to achieve the cantidad of more cu 50 kilo of cocaina on the boat. after of his detencion owing to go over also at follow cu listramento of cuater cas. provided that overall owing to haci seven detencion of cual roberto geerman y some colombiano cu venezolano. the confianza cu everybody was have in the piscador here owing to go perdi cu thing past owing to comete. this do not first trip cu the will owing to comete the acto here. at the casnan cu owing to wordo listra owing to achieve also more drugs. is talk of one cantidad of algo less cu 100 kilo. one felicitacion at seccion crimen organiza. this once more is the maneho cu alto comisario dolfi richardson y also minister of husticia is implementando for combatimento of drugs. the taxista here for colmo is pal of one member of parliament of mep cu also owing to stay all babuca cu the news here. the taxi color blanco tx-35 owing to stay confisca.


http://www.einformante.com/Policial/guarda-costa-ta-gara-robert-geeramn-cu-mas-di-50-kilo-di-cocaina-ri-e-boto-fin-chaser/

Papiamentu translation:

guarda costa is grab robert geerman cu more of 50 kilo of cocaina on the boat end chaser

oranjestad- diahuebs morning gaurda costa is intercepta the boat end chaser cu more of 50 kilo of cocaina caminda at is detene robert geerman because; sospechoso principal. robert geerman is taxista y is core taxi 35. the caso here is in pleno investagacion, all the time the drugs together cu the boat y also the taxi cu the is donjo owing to stay confisca.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 10, 2010, 01:33:07 AM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

and Stephany!
 
::MonkeyJustice::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on December 10, 2010, 05:28:00 AM


Please light a candle for Natalee and remember her family.  The holiday season never gets any easier.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 10, 2010, 12:32:37 PM

Something Unexpected

OPRAH WINFREY SHOW - January 27, 2008
 
BETH HOLLOWAY: We've never really relied on an investigative approach to find an answer to Natalee. I think what we've relied on more heavily is that at any given moment something unexpected could happen and we really feel anyone could talk at any moment.

http://www2.oprah.com/world/politics/slide/20080116/politics_284_203.jhtml


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 10, 2010, 02:58:28 PM
None

Nonesuche

Baking Christmas cookies with my nine year old granddaughter is where it is at later this afternoon.  If it were up to me ... I would take Miss Muffet to Safeway Bakery and we would have a bonding experience picking out the already beautifully decorated cookies.  However ... "other" grandma and Miss Muffet made a beautiful gingerbread house together so ... in the name of competition ... I decided to make a memory.  I have to remember to take a picture.

Anyways ... word association ... Nonesuche and Cookies.

You are missed.  I hope all is well.

 :smt060

Janet
11:55 AM PT

++++++++

The Courage to Tell the Truth

nonesuche
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
« Reply #1350 on: May 30, 2009, 10:37:53 AM »


<snipped>

Most important is that Natalee still does not have justice. That is hardest for her parents to endure, far moreso than any of us.

Most of her classmates on that trip have graduated in the last two weeks from college, I first heard of Natalee's disappearance while at orientation with my son for UA for he was in the same class. Natalee has been denied yet one more meaningful milestone in her young life, that college experience. We will never know what good works Natalee might have cast out into the world if she had become a physician or if she had chosen another path.

Imagine all the "points of light" that were snuffed out by stealing a young woman who truly cared about our world and those who live in it.

I don't have much faith if any, in Holland to change this outcome. I do however always hope and pray that someone in Aruba will have the courage to tell the truth eventually. Had the Kalpoe's not chased the 'gold' in their suit against Dr Phil, I do believe they might have turned on Joran but as long as that suit is out there, there is little chance they will rattle that cage.

I won't hold my breath for the corruption investigation to yield bonafide change, but I will hope that shaking some things up on evil island makes someone uncomfortable enough to swing to the other side toward truth. Natalee's case has been the catalyst for this, four long years coming but I do think it was the catalyst as was the boycott her parents had the courage to fight for.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4995.msg825430;topicseen#msg825430




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Buckeye on December 10, 2010, 04:22:03 PM
Time

   * Top 10 Crime Stories

1. Curtains for Joran van der Sloot?
By Howard Chua-Eoan Thursday, Dec. 09, 2010


When police in Lima arrested Joran van der Sloot in May 2010 for the murder of Stephany Flores Ramirez, another mysterious saga appeared to be at an end. The young Dutchman had been at the center of the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, a young American who went missing in Aruba in 2005 after leaving a bar late at night with van der Sloot and two of his friends. Her body has yet to be found, and van der Sloot's many retracted versions of what happened made prosecution difficult. But the Flores murder may have sealed his fate. According to Peruvian police, he was furious that Flores was snooping into his laptop and asking questions about Holloway. "It was an invasion of my privacy. She had no right," he allegedly told the investigating officers. He said that he and Flores fought and that he beat her repeatedly, breaking her neck. Van der Sloot, who says he was tricked into signing a confession in the Flores killing, is awaiting trial in Peru. Meanwhile, Holloway's mother spoke out about an attempt by van der Sloot to extort money in exchange for information about her daughter. The case in Aruba has not moved forward.
      

http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2035319_2034943_2034918,00.html #ixzz17kJwcjZx


(http://img.timeinc.net/time/2010/50_top_10/top10_crime/joran_van_der_sloot.jpg)
Pilar Olivares / Reuters
Edit to fix article posted MB


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Buckeye on December 10, 2010, 04:24:58 PM
I certainly messed that up...lol...

I think it's fixed now.  MB


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 10, 2010, 06:35:06 PM
If Anita had the decency to have any shame at all...if she had any sense at all...she'd say enough is enough.  But of course she has neither. 

Here you go Aruba...some more BAD LIGHT!  Blaming a crime victims family...AGAIN!...even after the PRIME SUSPECT HAS MURDERED AGAIN...very bad for tourism.

The Dutch didn't buy her crap the first time she packaged it, Americans won't either.

jmo

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

http://www.rnw.nl/caribiana/article/zaak-holloway-veel-vragen-nog-onbeantwoord

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renee%20Gielen/12092010_ReneeGielen_MoreofthesameBS.jpg)(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renee%20Gielen/12092010_ReneeGielen_MoreofthesameBS2.jpg)

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_82159.php

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renee%20Gielen/12102010_Amigoe_ReneeGielenBS.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 10, 2010, 06:41:45 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9013.msg1273070#msg1273070

Klaas, thank you for bringing the documents over!  And thank you to our anonymous monkey for paying for them!

 ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: carpe noctem on December 10, 2010, 07:09:41 PM
If Anita had the decency to have any shame at all...if she had any sense at all...she'd say enough is enough.  But of course she has neither. 

Here you go Aruba...some more BAD LIGHT!  Blaming a crime victims family...AGAIN!...even after the PRIME SUSPECT HAS MURDERED AGAIN...very bad for tourism.

The Dutch didn't buy her crap the first time she packaged it, Americans won't either.

jmo

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

http://www.rnw.nl/caribiana/article/zaak-holloway-veel-vragen-nog-onbeantwoord

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renee%20Gielen/12092010_ReneeGielen_MoreofthesameBS.jpg)(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renee%20Gielen/12092010_ReneeGielen_MoreofthesameBS2.jpg)

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_82159.php

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renee%20Gielen/12102010_Amigoe_ReneeGielenBS.jpg)

Bring it on, ya old dirty double Dutch-Aruban-Natalee Ann hating old hag!

Team Punishment is waiting for you.

We`ll leave a light on for you.  ::MonkeyAngel::

-Justice for Natalee!



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 10, 2010, 07:26:52 PM
Gielen must own interests in this newspaper....her BS on four pages in one edition....only two of them are available to view.  Maybe they don't like us talking about those oil contracts.   ::MonkeyDevil::

Wonder how the Aruban and Dutch authorities feel about Renee Gielen claiming she knows more about this case than they do?  Nobody did a 'Total research' , well that's not what they've been telling the world for over five years now...

http://www.antilliaansdagblad.com/images/stories/adnews/2010/december/08-12-10/P01.pdf

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renee%20Gielen/12082010_AntilliaansDagblad_1.jpg)

Google translation:

Gielen: jawbone course not Natalee Holloway

From our reporters

Willemstad - "Of course jawbone could not Natalee Holloway are unless it would be planted "
Renée Gielen says.  The Antillean Times researcher and asked documentary maker Gielen and cameraman Dolph Stapele of - its "Partner in crime - the current status of their Research, now the jawbone, found on a beach in Aruba, not Natalee turns out to be. In her research has Gielen concluded that the jaw not Holloway could be based on the testimonies and the dual role of the family Natalee played In the days after the disappearance of American girl in Aruba in 2005.

Keeping out of the authorities in their quest Natalee, while them in a secret escape route organized Natalee without knowledge of all away to a the many private planes that purpose was served.  Tells a driver, it was work on this plot. 

"Natalee left Aruba alive ' On page 2

http://www.antilliaansdagblad.com/images/stories/adnews/2010/december/08-12-10/P02.pdf

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renee%20Gielen/12082010_AntilliaansDagblad_2.jpg)

"Natalee left Aruba alive '

From our reporters

Willemstad / Oranjestad - Natalee Holloway is "living in Aruba gone ', says researcher and documentary filmmaker Renee Gielen sure. She is not the only, according to documents them to the Antillean newspaper showed. Gielen doing since the American girl disappeared In May 2005 research perhaps the greatest disappearance case ever, at least one that can the most massive publicity accompanied was and still is. She is - Slowly - not only in her belief that Holloway has left the island alive.  Even a senior official am sure that the judiciary Natalee was left alive, only ... evidence - a document being - And there is no trace appears disappeared. "The whole commotion found around the jawbone, which the Public Ministry of Aruba at the end
last month announced that can not Natalee been, has yet again indicated that the mystery
Holloway desperate for a round solution, "says Gielen, previously the documentary "Natalee.
The unrevealed time lines' made. "The mother of Natalee Through its lawyer John Q. Kelly to the U.S. Let the media know very disappointed be justice in Aruba. "
That is according to Gielen, "in fact for no reason. "  ,, It seems to me that much Beth did not know it's not bone Natalee Natalee could be because - According to my research - living on the island is gone; few days after passing through Joran van der Sloot on the beach left behind. "Already in 2007 told one of the employees from the airport Gielen he knew that Natalee was gone.  He has pointed to her shortly after her disappearance clear recognized in the streets. "These person interrogated extensively and by him surrendered never recovered documents
the police. "A second person, know the examiner, has acted as driver for Natalee in company
her stepfather Jug Twitty bring to the airport.  A third person who at the time at the airport
work, indicates that on the aware of her departure. Thus Gielen: "Natalee is left in a private plane that came from Curaçao, but the route changed and not through Curacao flew home. After that it is in Venezuela registered aircraft not been back to Aruba. "  Tapes from the control tower According Gielen overwritten, and the documents - Relevant paperwork immigration and customs - are search. "The problem is that these people not in public afraid to talk because they fear reprisals and also for has at least one of them a considerable sum of money received from Alabama. "And Prosecutor in Aruba know. ,, Al those who at the time of the disappearance Natalee Holloway worked at the private airport, are Then redundant or no longer active. "

Nobody did a 'Total research' On page 16 + 17


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 10, 2010, 07:43:08 PM
Time

   * Top 10 Crime Stories

1. Curtains for Joran van der Sloot?
By Howard Chua-Eoan Thursday, Dec. 09, 2010


When police in Lima arrested Joran van der Sloot in May 2010 for the murder of Stephany Flores Ramirez, another mysterious saga appeared to be at an end. The young Dutchman had been at the center of the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, a young American who went missing in Aruba in 2005 after leaving a bar late at night with van der Sloot and two of his friends. Her body has yet to be found, and van der Sloot's many retracted versions of what happened made prosecution difficult. But the Flores murder may have sealed his fate. According to Peruvian police, he was furious that Flores was snooping into his laptop and asking questions about Holloway. "It was an invasion of my privacy. She had no right," he allegedly told the investigating officers. He said that he and Flores fought and that he beat her repeatedly, breaking her neck. Van der Sloot, who says he was tricked into signing a confession in the Flores killing, is awaiting trial in Peru. Meanwhile, Holloway's mother spoke out about an attempt by van der Sloot to extort money in exchange for information about her daughter. The case in Aruba has not moved forward.
      

http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2035319_2034943_2034918,00.html #ixzz17kJwcjZx


(http://img.timeinc.net/time/2010/50_top_10/top10_crime/joran_van_der_sloot.jpg)
Pilar Olivares / Reuters
Edit to fix article posted MB

Thanks Buckeye!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 10, 2010, 07:54:53 PM
Anita van der Sloot and Rene Gielen possess hearts of stone.  Both are void of a conscience.

+++++

Pauw and Witteman Interview
January 11, 2008
 
 
(translated from Dutch)

Witteman: Do you think she’s dead?

Anita: I don't know, I have thought for a long time that she is alive, and there ahve been indications she is.  And those facts have to be investigated.  Rene Gielen on Curacao is making a documentary, she has interviewed a lot a people, we know because she's in contact with us.  I really would like for the other side of the story to also be investigated.

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/media/jorandevries.htm


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 10, 2010, 08:10:40 PM
http://www.diario.aw/2010/12/alex-mathew-ta-pidi-corte-pa-graba-y-pa-permiti-prensa-internacional-graba-tur-procedimento-den-su-caso-incluyendo-tratamento-di-su-caso-penal/

Papiamentu translation:

(http://www.diario.aw/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/alexmathew-150x150.jpg)

alex mathew is ask corte for graba y for permiti prensa internacional graba all procedimento in his caso, incluyendo tratamento of his caso penal

publication: diabierna, 10 december 2010. categoria: judicial

oranjestad(aan): diahuebs daily paper owing to ricibi documentonan relaciona cu the caso calling stars, cu is the caso in cual alex mathew is wordo acusa among another of trafico human. mathew owing to send one carta for huez comisario of the caso here, cu two peticion. the first peticion is for corte graba all procedura in the caso contra dje, then this is inclui grabamento of tratamento of his caso.

according mathew, mirando cu tratamento of casonan penal is open for publico, the is ask for prensa local y specialmente internacional achieve the permission for graba tratamento of his caso. the is desea for everybody look at if the acusacionnan contra dje is erect or not.

in the carta the is tell cu same cu gobierno is achieve necesario for graba all procedimento of parliament, is in interest publico for make same at corte. apart from this, mathew is ask huez for one list of 23 witness wordo listen.

this basa on declaracionnan cu they owing to make at police. mathew owing to splica in the carta cu the declaracionnan is wordo employ for as in jail, but cu much of the declaracionnan is lie. “mi have to can wordo give the oportunidad for make question at they, for can trece the berdad fast y comproba my inocencia”, according mathew in the carta send at huez.

past owing to tell also cu the not will can achieve one trato fair, if is only police y ministerio publico can make question at the testigonan. mathew is feel cu all the questions make for o.m y police, is dirigi for haye culpable y not for try achieve know if the can is inocente.

past owing to tell cu the testigonan here have informacion cu the is feel cu the can employ for defende his self y the informacion here not owing to wordo give still. near of this mathew is ask the oportunidad for her or his advocate can make questions at the two personanan cu owing to come cu the denuncia contra dje, mirando cu anteriormente his advocate not owing to make all the questions cu mathew is achieve cu can owing to make.

past owing to tell also cu some of the declaracionnan give for her muhernan here after, do not cuadra cu declaracionnan cu they owing to give at police.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 10, 2010, 11:58:42 PM
MAY 30, 2005

The Proverbial Dreaded Phone Call

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 23:
  Rested and refreshed, we leave Memphis late Monday morning with Linda driving and Marilyn up front with her.  I take the backseat.  We sail along, chatting like we alway do, talking about our plans for another road trip one day soon.  Marilyn and I are happily speculating about what our daughters' reactions will be when they open their presents to find a set of extraordinary Wizard of Oz figures.  Natalee will gasp with excitement when she sees these.  Before we know it, we've crossed over into Mississippi.  Somewhere amid our conversation, between the chuckles and the small talk, my cell phone rings. I don't recognize the number, but answer it anyway, which I usually don't do.

It's a young girl.  "Mrs. Twitty?  My mom ... umm ... my mom, she umm ... wants to talk to you."  It's the daughter of Judi, the travel agent.  She developed appendicitis right before the trip, so she and Jodi didn't get to go to Aruba.  They are in Birmingham.  It seems like an eternity before Jodi takes the phone.

"Tell me what's going on," I say in a voice much firmer than the one I usually hear coming from my mouth.

She simply says, "Natalee didn't show up this morning to get on the plane."

And instantly I know.  It's more than a mother's intuition.  It's certainty.  Something terrible has happened.  I have just answered the proverbial dreaded phone call  that no mother or father every wants to receive.  The one we fear from the moment our children are born.  The one that changes a parent's life forever.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 11, 2010, 12:03:16 AM
MAY 30, 2005 – MAY 31, 2005

FEARED THE WORST, BUT PRAYED FOR A MIRACLE

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 6:
  On Monday, May 30, Natalee's trip came to an end, and she was due to fly home to Alabama.  But late in the afternoon, I received a call from Matt telling me that Natalee had missed her flight and that Beth was getting on a plane to Aruba.

Page 7:  Beth had flown out of Birmingham on a friend's private jet as soon as she learned that Natalee had missed her flight.  I contacted a commerical airline and booked the next flight out for 5:30 a.m. the following morning.

Later that night, Matt called again to tell me that Natalee's flight had been rebooked, and she would be coming home the next day.  Someone from Delta Airlines had confirmed that a female had called and changed the flight.

I cancelled my flight, but I was still concerned because no one had heard from Natalee.

The next morning, I started making more calls.  I could not reach Beth, and I was unable to get a member of the Aruban police force to talk to me on the phone about Natalee.

By noon I learned that Natalee was not getting on the plane.  I found out that it had been a chaperone from Natalee's group who had changed her flight in the hopes that she would reappear.  It was then that I knew something tragic must have happened.  I feared the worst, but prayed for a miracle.  I hung up the phone and broke down .....



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 11, 2010, 01:30:08 AM
Not sure if this is from a recent article or not...I remember the "sunstroke" comment. 

www.facebook.com

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renee%20Gielen/12082010_FB_ParadiseFM_REReneeGielenPeterDeVries.jpg)

Google translation:

Paradise FM Curaçao Peter R de Vries Paradise FM on opposite Renée Gielen
"It is annoying that this kind of drunk theories get serious attention from the press. It's really based on nothing, it's worse than drunk talk."
Read below.
Wednesday at 11:59 am · Share
5 people like this.

Paradise FM Curaçao "There is a reference to a" senior official in the judiciary. "Who is that? Gielen so brave as to the parents of Natalee a huge kick to give than we dare surely also the identity of this man reveal? There is no reason to protect a public official who would keep such a secret. It will never come by that name, because the story is just not true. I do not know what Gielen wrong, but it should at least a sunstroke. It is shocking and unconscionable that the mother and stepfather in this way down. Your daughter lose than just accused you here own hand have had. Has Gielen in her madness sometimes one minute on what they thought the family put it to do?

Also there are so many contradictions in the story. No one would dare speak for fear of reprisals and a further rule that everyone who is back at the airport in question was dismissed. Well, one more reason then to say what you know. It is unfortunate that media Gielen a podium. People who say things like this do you have to give TBS. "
Wednesday at 11:59 am • 4 people ·

Bastiaan van den Berg Antillean newspaper expresses once again ridiculous.
Wednesday at 12:27 PM ·


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 11, 2010, 02:27:35 AM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

and Stephany!
 
::MonkeyJustice::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 11, 2010, 10:03:56 AM
Portrait of a Monster: Joran van der Sloot, a Murder in Peru, and the Natalee Holloway Mystery [Hardcover]
Lisa Pulitzer (Author), Cole Thompson (Author)
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 11, 2010, 10:18:37 AM
Joran made the top 10!

http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2035319_2034943,00.html

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/JoranTIMEtop10.jpg)





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: wreck on December 11, 2010, 10:27:31 AM
Joran made the top 10!

http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2035319_2034943,00.html

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/JoranTIMEtop10.jpg)




Not only "Top 10" ...................... Numero Uno!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 11, 2010, 11:00:46 AM
More docs in the K2 vs Dr. Phil case.  It seems the plaintiffs didn't allow enough time for the defendants to respond to the request for trial continuance and the defendants are protesting the ruling.  There are 40+ pages to this doc so I'm going to post the first few then an exhibit.


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/DRPHILresponseContinuance1.jpg)
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/DRPHILresponseContinuance2.jpg)
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/DRPHILresponseContinuance3.jpg)
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/DRPHILresponseContinuance4.jpg)
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/DRPHILresponseContinuance5.jpg)
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/DRPHILresponseContinuance6.jpg)


Exhibit

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/K2lettertoDRPHILreContinuence120110a.jpg)
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/K2lettertoDRPHILreContinuence120110b.jpg)
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/K2lettertoDRPHILreContinueance120110c.jpg)







Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 11, 2010, 11:05:36 AM
This one seems a little odd to me.   ::MonkeyConfused::

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=5587&offId=0

Papiamentu translation:

4 hora happen | fecha: 11/12/2010 | horario: 07:08

young of 26 aÑa owing to place end at his life colgando his self at one stam at home of his girlfriend at esso heights

saturday morning early owing to enter informe of one caso of a cu owing to horca curpa at one cas at esso heights, at once owing to dirigi tanto police because; ambulance at the sitio. at arrival of the patrol at the adres owing to come constata one young colga at one stam at the cas. at arrival of ambulance owing to constata cu the young not was give sign of life for cual owing to avisa autoridadnan necesario tanto doctor, fiscal, y recherche. owing to come resulta cu the young francis jose bergrok naci at aruba 12 april 1984 y was live at monserat. the young owing to place end at his life colgando his self at one stam usando shoe but ela haci this at home of his same girlfriend. at famianan of the fayecido is bay we more sincero words of condolencia. we will follow informa, stay pendiente.

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/5587/5_1292076601.jpg)

See the shoe string tied to the tree...

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/5587/8_1292076601.jpg)

So he supposedly hung himself there?  Up against that wall?   ::MonkeyQuestion::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 11, 2010, 11:17:34 AM
Did he have his hand in his pocket?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 11, 2010, 11:23:15 AM
Thanks Klaas!   ::MonkeyKiss::

And as always, thanks to our anonymous monkey for purchasing the documents!   ::MonkeyKiss::
 ::MonkeyDance::


Klaas, does exhibit 4 have anything that might indicate what the false testimony was?  Or maybe page 9?

TIA


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 11, 2010, 11:25:21 AM
Did he have his hand in his pocket?

Makes you wonder doesn't it?   ::MonkeyEek::

Well I can tell by looking at his covered up body that he was more than three feet tall.   ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 11, 2010, 11:31:30 AM
Thanks Klaas!   ::MonkeyKiss::

And as always, thanks to our anonymous monkey for purchasing the documents!   ::MonkeyKiss::
 ::MonkeyDance::


Klaas, does exhibit 4 have anything that might indicate what the false testimony was?  Or maybe page 9?

TIA


I'll look


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 11, 2010, 11:33:32 AM
Thanks you for posting the document Klaas.

For now it appears that the Kalpoe's defamation case against Phil McGraw is where it is at in regards to the Natalee Holloway case.

However ... "something unexpected" could happen ... somebody could "talk".

Janet

++++++++

OPRAH WINFREY SHOW - January 27, 2008
 
BETH HOLLOWAY: We've never really relied on an investigative approach to find an answer to Natalee. I think what we've relied on more heavily is that at any given moment something unexpected could happen and we really feel anyone could talk at any moment.

http://www2.oprah.com/world/politics/slide/20080116/politics_284_203.jhtml 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 11, 2010, 11:35:22 AM
TM - check your email in a couple seconds


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 11, 2010, 11:59:29 AM
Amanda Knox Case: Other Americans in Trouble in Foreign Countries
 
       
William Browning William Browning – Fri Dec 10, 1:48 pm ET

American Amanda Knox is appealing her conviction in the murder of Meredith Kercher in 2007. The appeal begins on Dec. 11. Knox's parents appeared on British television and Kercher's father appealed for peace to the Daily Mail, as he copes with grieving for his youngest daughter.

Knox is one an example of a foreigner in deep trouble. There are plenty of recent examples, particularly Americans, who go to foreign countries and land in legal trouble or run into foul play through no fault of their own. Here are some prominent cases:

* Natalee Holloway isn't as famous for getting into trouble or running amok, but for her disappearance in Aruba during a 2005 high school trip. Holloway's mother recently went to Peru to confront her alleged murderer and a jawbone fragment was found washed up on a beach in Aruba near Holloway's hotel. Holloway's body has never been found and no one has been convicted in her murder.

* Tiffany Hartley and her husband's disappearance on Falcon Lake, bordering Mexico and the United States, has been under media scrutiny since the story broke in October. The couple was jet-skiing when speed boats approached them and shot David Hartley while he told his wife to get away. David's body has not been found and officials working on the case have been murdered. Drug cartels in the area use the lake for drug running.

* Three American hikers detained in Iran are facing espionage charges and have a trial date of Feb. 6, 2011. On a hiking trip to the Middle East, the trio allegedly strayed into Iran and were taken prisoner in July 2009. Sarah Shourd, the only female in the group, was released earlier this year after paying a large sum of money. Shourd was freed on bail in September so she could deal with health issues while her fiance Shane Bauer and friend Josh Fattal remain in Iran.

* John Yettaw swam through a lake to meet Myanmar's most famous political prisoner Suu Kyi in May 2009, claiming he was sent by God to warn her. When she sheltered the man for two nights, the Burmese government claimed Kyi broke the law, and she spent another 18 months in prison. Kyi was recently released after spending more than seven years in jail. The New York Times reports Yettaw was released in August 2009 after an appeal was made by Virginia Sen. Jim Webb. This was after Yettaw was sentenced to seven years hard labor in Myanmar.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ac/20101210/en_ac/7376370_amanda_knox_case_other_americans_in_trouble_in_foreign_countries_1


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: wreck on December 11, 2010, 01:23:31 PM
Re: New filing by Plaintiffs

I KNEW THIS WAS CRAPPOLA!!!

What was the judge thinking on Jan. 6th??????????????????????????????


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: wreck on December 11, 2010, 01:25:48 PM
Re: New filing by Plaintiffs

I KNEW THIS WAS CRAPPOLA!!!

What was the judge thinking on Jan. Dec 6th??????????????????????????????


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: wreck on December 11, 2010, 01:35:50 PM
Just to clarify ----
I'm talking about the bogus RULING by the Judge on Dec. 6th on the Plaintiffs motion for continuance (not the filing by the Plaintiffs to protest)!  ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: wreck on December 11, 2010, 01:37:21 PM
Just to clarify ----
I'm talking about the bogus RULING by the Judge on Dec. 6th on the Plaintiffs motion for continuance (not the filing by the Plaintiffs Defendents to protest)!  ::CowboySmiley::
Geesh!!!! More coffee!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 11, 2010, 01:49:12 PM
Kyle

I believe that you are the lamp whose light could afford the family of Natalee Holloway's a measure of closure this Christmas.  While embracing your precious daughter ... please consider.

Sincerely, Janet

+++++++

Parable of the Lamp

Mark 4:21-23

Then Jesus asked them, “Would anyone light a lamp and then put it under a basket or under a bed? Of course not! A lamp is placed on a stand, where its light will shine.  For everything that is hidden will eventually be brought into the open, and every secret will be brought to light.  Anyone with ears to hear should listen and understand.”


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 11, 2010, 02:22:47 PM
Just to clarify ----
I'm talking about the bogus RULING by the Judge on Dec. 6th on the Plaintiffs motion for continuance (not the filing by the Plaintiffs Defendents to protest)!  ::CowboySmiley::
Geesh!!!! More coffee!

Not sure Wreck and it seems the defendants are questioning it themselves.  The way it looked, the plaintiff made the request to move the trial date and because the defendants didn't argue, the judge said OK.  Of course the defendants didn't notification on time so that is the issue. 

Personally I don't think it's going to make any difference if the trial is in January or April but ENOUGH OF THE BS ALREADY.  Kalpoes don't have a case. YOU CAN'T DEFAME DIRTBAGS!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 11, 2010, 02:24:18 PM
Just to clarify ----
I'm talking about the bogus RULING by the Judge on Dec. 6th on the Plaintiffs motion for continuance (not the filing by the Plaintiffs Defendents to protest)!  ::CowboySmiley::
Geesh!!!! More coffee!

Not sure Wreck and it seems the defendants are questioning it themselves.  The way it looked, the plaintiff made the request to move the trial date and because the defendants didn't argue, the judge said OK.  Of course the defendants didn't notification on time so that is the issue. 

Personally I don't think it's going to make any difference if the trial is in January or April but ENOUGH OF THE BS ALREADY.  Kalpoes don't have a case. YOU CAN'T DEFAME DIRTBAGS!

ITA!   ::MonkeyGavel:: ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on December 11, 2010, 03:41:12 PM
Just to clarify ----
I'm talking about the bogus RULING by the Judge on Dec. 6th on the Plaintiffs motion for continuance (not the filing by the Plaintiffs Defendents to protest)!  ::CowboySmiley::
Geesh!!!! More coffee!

Not sure Wreck and it seems the defendants are questioning it themselves.  The way it looked, the plaintiff made the request to move the trial date and because the defendants didn't argue, the judge said OK.  Of course the defendants didn't notification on time so that is the issue. 

Personally I don't think it's going to make any difference if the trial is in January or April but ENOUGH OF THE BS ALREADY.  Kalpoes don't have a case. YOU CAN'T DEFAME DIRTBAGS!

ITA!   ::MonkeyGavel:: ::monkeywine2::


Exactly!!  ITA too!!   ::bee::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: carpe noctem on December 11, 2010, 04:44:39 PM
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/hansfranz.jpg)

I squish Kalpoes like beetle bug.

Hear me now, believe me late-uh!!!



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: wreck on December 11, 2010, 04:52:22 PM
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/hansfranz.jpg)

I squish Kalpoes like beetle bug.

Hear me now, believe me late-uh!!!


Are Hanz and Franz Dutch?? ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: sylvia on December 11, 2010, 10:17:30 PM
Anybody watching CNN?  Is this a repeat?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 11, 2010, 10:38:39 PM
Anybody watching CNN?  Is this a repeat?

Hi sylvia,

If you're talking about the skeletal remains found in Alabama, they are believed to be of Natalie DeBlase, 4 years old.

Not related to the case this thread is about.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/12/11/alabama.children.remains/index.html?hpt=T2

The thread about that case is here:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9058.120


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: sylvia on December 11, 2010, 10:52:06 PM
CNN just had a 30 minute show "Paradise Lost: The Natalee Holloway Story."  Nothing new and maybe a repeat - however, a reminder that Natalee still isn't home with her family.

Thank you to all of the very dedicated monkeys.  I don't jump in the cage much but I feel like I know you because I've been reading since June 2005.  I try to read Natalee's forums everyday.  I'm always amazed at the pieces you have put together.  And hope the love, dedication, and determination of Natalee's family and SM brings Natalee home or at least some answers.

I went to Aruba a few times in the 80s for windsurfing and remember being told to stay on the main streets.  I was shocked to hear of the drug trade and crime.  Being pretty naive at the time, I could easily have done the exact same thing Natalee did.  And now being older and wiser (well at least older ::MonkeyHaHa::)
it is still hard for me to grasp that there are so many evil people in the world.

I'm getting ready to sign off but if anyone reads this, would you mind explaining what it means when someone adds  ::rhino:: in a message?

Thanks and have a blessed holiday season and a Merry Christmas.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: sylvia on December 11, 2010, 11:02:58 PM
Hi, TM (hope I can be so bold to use the abbreviation  ::MonkeyWink::)

Since I'm actually signed on for a change, this gives me an opportunity to tell you thank you for the information you provide.  It always amazes me.  You are certainly one of the monkeys I always make sure I read the post carefully because you are such a wealth of knowledge.  I don't usually sign on but am often a "guest" so I know I'm always going to learn something.

Thanks for all that you do, as well as all the other active monkeys.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 11, 2010, 11:11:17 PM
CNN just had a 30 minute show "Paradise Lost: The Natalee Holloway Story."  Nothing new and maybe a repeat - however, a reminder that Natalee still isn't home with her family.

Thank you to all of the very dedicated monkeys.  I don't jump in the cage much but I feel like I know you because I've been reading since June 2005.  I try to read Natalee's forums everyday.  I'm always amazed at the pieces you have put together.  And hope the love, dedication, and determination of Natalee's family and SM brings Natalee home or at least some answers.

I went to Aruba a few times in the 80s for windsurfing and remember being told to stay on the main streets.  I was shocked to hear of the drug trade and crime.  Being pretty naive at the time, I could easily have done the exact same thing Natalee did.  And now being older and wiser (well at least older ::MonkeyHaHa::)
it is still hard for me to grasp that there are so many evil people in the world.

I'm getting ready to sign off but if anyone reads this, would you mind explaining what it means when someone adds  ::rhino:: in a message?

Thanks and have a blessed holiday season and a Merry Christmas.

Hi Sylvia!  Nice seeing you post!

I think the  ::rhino:: rhino shaking his head yes is just that, an acknowledgment that you agree about something posted and he's just a fun emoticon to use.  ::ElfMonkey::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 11, 2010, 11:26:13 PM
CNN just had a 30 minute show "Paradise Lost: The Natalee Holloway Story."  Nothing new and maybe a repeat - however, a reminder that Natalee still isn't home with her family.

Thank you to all of the very dedicated monkeys.  I don't jump in the cage much but I feel like I know you because I've been reading since June 2005.  I try to read Natalee's forums everyday.  I'm always amazed at the pieces you have put together.  And hope the love, dedication, and determination of Natalee's family and SM brings Natalee home or at least some answers.

I went to Aruba a few times in the 80s for windsurfing and remember being told to stay on the main streets.  I was shocked to hear of the drug trade and crime.  Being pretty naive at the time, I could easily have done the exact same thing Natalee did.  And now being older and wiser (well at least older ::MonkeyHaHa::)
it is still hard for me to grasp that there are so many evil people in the world.

I'm getting ready to sign off but if anyone reads this, would you mind explaining what it means when someone adds  ::rhino:: in a message?

Thanks and have a blessed holiday season and a Merry Christmas.

Thanks sylvia!   ::MonkeyCool::

There may be a replay of that show on CNN, I found it on the internet listings; but it doesn't show on my program guide.  I'm going to try to remember to check it out at that time.

http://sidebar.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/saturday.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 11, 2010, 11:33:03 PM
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/hansfranz.jpg)

I squish Kalpoes like beetle bug.

Hear me now, believe me late-uh!!!



 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 12, 2010, 01:12:39 AM
CNN just had a 30 minute show "Paradise Lost: The Natalee Holloway Story."  Nothing new and maybe a repeat - however, a reminder that Natalee still isn't home with her family.

Thank you to all of the very dedicated monkeys.  I don't jump in the cage much but I feel like I know you because I've been reading since June 2005.  I try to read Natalee's forums everyday.  I'm always amazed at the pieces you have put together.  And hope the love, dedication, and determination of Natalee's family and SM brings Natalee home or at least some answers.

I went to Aruba a few times in the 80s for windsurfing and remember being told to stay on the main streets.  I was shocked to hear of the drug trade and crime.  Being pretty naive at the time, I could easily have done the exact same thing Natalee did.  And now being older and wiser (well at least older ::MonkeyHaHa::)
it is still hard for me to grasp that there are so many evil people in the world.

I'm getting ready to sign off but if anyone reads this, would you mind explaining what it means when someone adds  ::rhino:: in a message?

Thanks and have a blessed holiday season and a Merry Christmas.

I'm watching the replay of the show on CNN now.  It's a new show, and it's been good so far.  I've seen a picture from Natalee's graduation that I'd never seen before...getting her diploma...smiling ear to ear.   ::MonkeyTears::

I think it must have been filmed recently, there's also short interview with Jossy Mansur.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 12, 2010, 01:15:14 AM
uggghhh Julia...and the fake accent.

"Happens all the time...they come here....have a good time...forget to go home."

That's one sick beotch.   ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 12, 2010, 01:54:03 AM
uggghhh Julia...and the fake accent.

"Happens all the time...they come here....have a good time...forget to go home."

That's one sick beotch.   ::MonkeyMad::

GMAFB!  According to Julia...Joran was just known to be a big kid at school...good soccer player...lots of girlfriends... even spoke on behalf of Aruba at the United Nations.. ::MonkeyLaugh::

Think maybe she forgot to add MODEL United Nations?  HUGE difference Julia...step away from the booze!  ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 12, 2010, 02:09:17 AM
Paradise Lost: The Natalee Holloway Story: CNN looks back at the disappearance, investigation and unanswered questions in the Natalee Holloway case.

Will show again Sunday evening:

http://sidebar.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/sunday.html

My program guide didn't list the title.  But the program did show when the program guide listed CNN Newsroom.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Sleuth on December 12, 2010, 02:29:08 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_kjjkik_1-1.jpg)

Just helping TM...


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 12, 2010, 04:26:10 AM
http://issuu.com/themorningnews/docs/november_27__2010

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/WillyvanderSloot_11272010_TheMorningNewsAruba1.jpg)(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/WillyvanderSloot_11272010_TheMorningNewsAruba2.jpg)

http://www.n8.nl/2010/blog/terugblik-nachtsalon-spanning-in-het-gewelf-film-onder-de-sterren

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/WillyvanderSloot_1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/WillyvanderSloot_2.jpg)

Article from 2009:

http://amsterdam-red-light-district.info/news/70-tough-times-in-the-red-light-district.html

snipped

Brothel owner Willy van der Sloot, herself a former prostitute, said she had never seen the sex market so depressed.

"Some days there are just no people," she sighed.

http://hoerengracht.ahm.nl/archives/1516

The brothel in the 21st century in NOS Journaal op 3
On 28/04/2010, the brothel in the 21 century, Video, by Amsterdam Historical Museum
The NOS visited Tuesday, April 17 to the brothel of the 21st century with architect Erik-Jan Vermeulen and window operator Willy van der Sloot.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/WillyvanderSloot_5.jpg)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5VEk6tgkQc

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/WillyvanderSloot_4.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 12, 2010, 04:28:18 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_kjjkik_1-1.jpg)

Just helping TM...
 
::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 12, 2010, 04:29:04 AM
Thank you Sleuth!   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 12, 2010, 04:29:43 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_kjjkik_1-1.jpg)

Just helping TM...
 
::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 12, 2010, 10:04:04 AM
Willy Vandersloot's facebook.

http://www.facebook.com/search.php?q=willy%20van%20der%20sloot&init=quick&tas=0.7778898816823455&ref=ts#!/profile.php?id=697138646 (http://www.facebook.com/search.php?q=willy%20van%20der%20sloot&init=quick&tas=0.7778898816823455&ref=ts#!/profile.php?id=697138646)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 12, 2010, 11:02:35 AM
Wonder if Beth can sue Renée Gielen? 

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_82182.php


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 12, 2010, 11:11:52 AM
Wonder if Beth can sue Renée Gielen? 

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_82182.php

I've been wondering the same.  If she can, I hope she does. 



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Post by: klaasend on December 12, 2010, 11:21:53 AM
Wonder if Beth can sue Renée Gielen? 

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_82182.php

I've been wondering the same.  If she can, I hope she does. 



I'm just thinking since the book is going to be published in the US she might be able to.


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Post by: Buckeye on December 12, 2010, 12:18:53 PM
Wonder if Beth can sue Renée Gielen? 

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_82182.php


And considering the wrinkled prune is on Anita's facebook, and has signed the Joran prison petition, I think a case could be made that proceeds would be funneled to Joran.


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Post by: texasmom on December 12, 2010, 12:25:16 PM
Wonder if Beth can sue Renée Gielen? 

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_82182.php

I've been wondering the same.  If she can, I hope she does. 


I'm just thinking since the book is going to be published in the US she might be able to.

Didn't she say the same things about the crockumentary, like she had a distributor...and then come to find out no one would touch it!

The book is just another packaging of the crockumentary she had problems finding anyone to distribute in Holland.  It has only ever been televised in Aruba and Curacao.  And IIRC when some tried to purchase it online to view, they never could view it...and ended up getting porn site pop ups for their money instead.   ::MonkeyDevil::

I think if she does find a publisher for her blatant slander of Natalee and her family in the U. S., that they would most definitely be in for a lawsuit.  JMO


Wonder if she's trying to find a connection from this:
 
Her son, Dolph van Stapele is dealing with a group in Los Angeles to get his film distributed. 

http://www.versgeperst.com/lifestyle/71538/tula-scoort-internationaal-contract.html

Google translation:

Tula scores international contract

11/07/2010 1:43 p.m. | LIFESTYLE | Elisa Cake

CURAÇAO - Tula's story has stolen the hearts of American movie cop International Film Distribution Consultants. After films such as Law Abiding Citizen and Book of Eli, the company will now work with the film on freedom fighter Curacao.

The producers of Dolph Stapele and Jeroen Leinders Fisheye Media Productions in Los Angeles last week were making calls on the international representation of the film. Finally they dragged an agreement with IFDC on hold.

Flexible production

Through this contract, they await the distribution of the film soon to be true. Also opens the doors to this agent contract with U.S. film studios which will work smoother.

Local and international actors

The main roles in Tula's film also stars well-known American actors so the film a broad and international audience attracting. Local actors are also not forgotten and will work with the international stars shine on the silver screen. If everything goes according to plan, the 2011 movie into production.


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Post by: texasmom on December 12, 2010, 12:28:55 PM
Wonder if Beth can sue Renée Gielen? 

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_82182.php


And considering the wrinkled prune is on Anita's facebook, and has signed the Joran prison petition, I think a case could be made that proceeds would be funneled to Joran.

Good point, Buckeye.    ::MonkeyCool::


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Post by: Tamikosmom on December 12, 2010, 01:22:34 PM
Wonder if Beth can sue Renée Gielen? 

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_82182.php

Pauw and Witteman Interview
January 11, 2008   

 
(translated from Dutch)

Witteman: Do you think she’s dead?

Anita: I don't know, I have thought for a long time that she is alive, and there ahve been indications she is.  And those facts have to be investigated.  Rene Gielen on Curacao is making a documentary, she has interviewed a lot a people, we know because she's in contact with us.  I really would like for the other side of the story to also be investigated.

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/media/jorandevries.htm



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Post by: texasmom on December 12, 2010, 01:41:44 PM
JMO, but I still believe there's blood relation between Renee and Anita.  And it may even be closer than this, this is just what I was able to find.  IMO, there's no other reasonable explanation for Renee's extreme interest/involvement and continual attempts to spread her vicious lies in this case.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

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hmmm...   ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.genealogieonline.nl/gielen-stamboom/kwartierstraat.php?id=I258.php

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Post by: Tamikosmom on December 12, 2010, 02:43:35 PM
Wonder if Beth can sue Renée Gielen? 

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_82182.php

Pauw and Witteman Interview
January 11, 2008   

 
(translated from Dutch)

Witteman: Do you think she’s dead?

Anita: I don't know, I have thought for a long time that she is alive, and there ahve been indications she is.  And those facts have to be investigated.  Rene Gielen on Curacao is making a documentary, she has interviewed a lot a people, we know because she's in contact with us.  I really would like for the other side of the story to also be investigated.

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/media/jorandevries.htm




It is obvious that in January, 2008 .... Renée Gielen, Julia Renfro, Anita van der Sloot, Rudy Croes and Castillo/Young were in cahoots with the upcoming documentary "The Other Side of the Natalee Holloway Case".

Janet

++++++
 

Amgoe - January 17, 2008

ORANJESTAD — ... (Rudy) Croes is of the opinion that now that the case against the suspects Joran and the brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe has brought no results, the Public Prosecution must also consider other scenarios. Castillo and Young’s findings must therefore be seriously investigated, said the minister. “After Beth has been in Oprah’s program, it will be good to tell the other side of the story.” Oprah Winfrey has spent some time on the Holiday-matter in her show yesterday.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_38773.php


THE OTHER SIDE OF THE NATALEE HOLLOWAY CASE - THE PREVIEW

JULY 3, 2007
The other side of the Holloway-case
Police Aruba hindered by FBI’
By Michael Willemse


WILLEMSTAD/ORANJESTAD – The American Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) has systematically hindered the work of the police and the judiciary on Aruba in the investigation of the missing student Natalee Holloway. Especially when it came to investigating her direct relatives, mother Beth, stepfather George ‘Jug’ Twitty – who apparently has direct or indirect contacts and influence reaching as far as the White House- but also when it came to investigating the more than 120 fellow students and the chaperones who accompanied them in their trip to Aruba .

“You do your own dirty work”, is what was said to former police commissioner Gerold Dompig in charge of the Holloway investigation by a high ranking FBI staff member.

“Myself and also the field officer of the justice department on Aruba (at that time the European-Dutch Karin Janssen ) not only had to deal with the enormous pressure from the FBI, who arrived on the island in no time, but we were also obstructed and even threatened.”

VIDEO TAPE

So says Dompig on video, who after a lot of insisting was convinced to do so without his person appearing on screen. His voice is recognizable and he mentions his own name on several occasions.

The Amigoe was the first to see the material, which the makers expect will portray a different angle of the case to the world – especially with the American people- a case which in the last two years has been covered by tv-giants like CNN and Fox News, and broadcasted daily in the living rooms and offices in the United States and the rest of the world.

Dompig, who up until May 2006 – when he resigned – led the investigation on Aruba, and three others, who from the start each had their own function after the then 18-year-old girl from the prestigious Mountain Brook at Birmingham , Alabama , did not return to her hotel room on the 30th of May 2005 , are now speaking up. They each feel the importance of sharing this side of the story. Perhaps even the story; the truth. A story where three boys – Joran van der Sloot (at that time aged 17), Deepak Kalpoe (21) and his 18 year old brother Satish (formally still suspects), hardly play a role in anymore.

That story is told to tv-producer Renée Gielen (known for his three documentaries about the Bon Futuro prison on Curaçao) and camera man Dolph van Stapele, who from the start had his suspicions about the case and consequently flew to neighbouring eiland Aruba on several occasions, in search of the truth. Until they managed to make certain persons talk, who’ve been able to shed a different light on what could possibly be the most talked about disappearance ever.

MEDPLANE

They revealed that already one day after Holloway was declared missing, a medplane (medical plane or ambulance-plane) from the US arrived on Reina Beatrix airport and was stationed for a few days in the area of the airport where private jets park. Nothing strange about that on the surface, except that the crew (two pilots, a doctor and a nurse) knew nothing about why they were there. Gielen and Van Stapele also discovered that the plane landed without authorization and was also not registered by the Aruban authorities, while the mysterious landing – even though it was reported to the police in an official unsigned written testimony –was subjugated by the corps to the investigation only months later. This is also the case for other testimonies.

SECRET EXIT

The ambulance plane needed to be used as a secret exit for Natalee to the US . Secret, for the local authorities weren’t allowed to get wind of this – if they succeeded in ‘liberating’ the girl from a drug warehouse in Oranjestad and secretly leave the island.

Angela Dilorenzo, an American living on Aruba and close the Natalee’s family in those first days, talks about the special task she was given by Beth Twitty, Natalee’s mother: “Please do me a favor, after you find Natalee, please cover her up and bring her to the medjet. We’ll take good care of you and they are already awaiting her at the airport.” Angela, who’s married to a restaurant owner on the island, has her voice recorded on the video, but does not appear on screen.

Does Beth then know that her daughter is still (alive) on the island, after she declared to the whole world that the three local boys have done all sorts of things to Natalee and possibly even killed her? Or was the latter merely a ploy to cover up what really happened? Why on the second day of the disappearance is Beth already hanging posters all over Aruba which state that her daughter has been ‘kidnapped’? After which on the same day of the disappearance – also peculiar – when the co-students had only arrived back in Alabama just a few hours, she steps out of a private jet in Aruba with pre-printed flyers under her arm containing a local mobile number, and immediately starts handing them out to the airport personnel? Does Beth know something the rest at that time didn’t know and still don’t know? Angela: “I’m almost convinced that Beth knew where Natalee was from the start.”

She and another American on the island, Julia Renfro, who has also been living on Aruba for years and works as the editor in chief for the English daily paper Aruba Today, have been involved in the case from day one. Natalee’s mother asks Renfro on the 31st of May to help her find her daughter. During the course of several weeks Renfro becomes one of Beth’s confidants and together with Angela one of Natalee’s ‘angels’. Two years after the disappearance of Natalee, Renfro now also tells her story about the side the world doesn’t know.

TELEPHONE CALL

The material shows that Renfro and Angela talk about a phone call which they received from an unknown woman on the 2nd of June 2005 . She knows where Natalee is at the moment, that she’s still alive, but doesn’t want to go back to her mother Beth. For the measly sum of 4000 dollars the caller will say where. But to the complete surprise of Renfro and Angela, Beth did not want to really go in on that and afterwards, after insisting, she was willing to pay no more than 1000 dollars for the release of her own daughter. While the day after they were planning to announce a reward of 10.000 dollars – a sum which will eventually increase to more than one hundred fold.

When Angela declares that she will pay the demanded tip sum out of the cashier of her own restaurant and look for Holloway herself, Beth drops to her knees and says the following. Namely that the girl should be in disguise so that no one will recognize her and brought to the awaiting ambulance plane. “So that she could leave immediately and not have to be questioned by the authorities, the police and certainly not admitted to the Aruban hospital system”, Renfro adds.

But before Angela and Renfro arrive at the drug warehouse, Beth’s careless and especially loud – ‘I’ll burn this place and island down’ – former husband Jug Twitty (in the meantime Beth has now also divorced Jug) had already been there; except for a lot of uproar and panic in the direct vicinity, he achieved nothing. But more importantly, according to both women Jug is responsible for the failure of the ‘rescue operation’ and that Natalee- of which really nothing more has been learned, not even indirectly – still remains and will remain untraceable.

ALBERTO G.

Once again the unauthorized medplane departs to the US, after the crew members have been too clamorous and light about their unknown mission at the bar of the hotel where Natalee had stayed and where now also her relatives and traveling companions sleep for free – the Holiday Inn – they were subsequently fired upon their return. So manager/employee Alberto G. – another person which the tv-producers portrayed (incognito) – of the private airport heard shortly afterwards from one of the crew members of another medplane. Alberto is coincidentally, as he is one of the first who they come into contact with, also the one who guided Beth and Jug around the island. Alberto asks one of the travel companions how they actually plan to get the kidnapped daughter on board the private plane- “If she was supposedly kidnapped, she does not have a passport”, and thus will not be able to pass through immigration – to which the person which sent the plane to Aruba answers: “Do not worry about that. That will be all handled.” The plane which was sent to fetch Natalee, was instructed by the owner of the company leasing private jets, G.Ruffner Page Jr. Page also arranged the private jet which brought Natalee’s mother and her companions to Aruba shortly after the disappearance.

JORAN

If the person who made the phone call with the tip, really knows where Natalee is at the moment, then it would naturally give a different turn to the up until now known facts and this would vindicate Joran van der Sloot, at least of the ‘burden’ which he carries of being the last one who saw her. But this and other peculiarities in any case shed new light into the matter. Not in the least the lies about the three boys, Aruba and the police and justice system on the island , which Beth according to journalist Renfro kept on spreading to all the large American tv-networks who massively tore them apart. So she claims during interviews that at least one of the three raped her daughter and that this information is based on police statements; however she never shows these statements and later on both her Aruban lawyer and head of police Dompig deny the existence of such statements. Another good example is the manipulation of a tape on which Deepak Kalpoe was asked if Holloway had sex with all three to which he replied ‘ No, she didn’t’, while the America popular tv-show Dr.Phil shamelessly turned this into ‘She did’, as was scientifically revealed by the Dutch Forensic Institute.

For months Aruba is world news, but the hospitable population suffers from the constant stream of insults about incompetencies and corruption of the law. It even goes further when the family Twitty calls upon all American tourists to boycott the island, an action which got the open support of governor Bob Riley of Alabama .

Renfro concludes: “The family did not want the truth to be told.”

In the meantime donations are streaming in for the family, out of sympathy for the victims. According to Renfro the donations amount to hundreds of thousands of dollars. The biological father of Natalee – Dave Holloway- doesn’t receive one cent, according to Renfro, but he’s the one who’s searching high and low for his daughter without having dozens of paid cameras on his back.

ENORMOUS PRESSURE

Speaking of the accusations of incompetency. Never before has the Aruban police corps worked under so much international interest. Never before has the pressure been so big. Never before has the interest been so wide. But also, never before has the job of the police and the judiciary been made so difficult (not to mention, impossible). Ex-commissioner Dompig explains that in every country in the world, also and especially in the US , in cases of disappearance the investigators first look at the direct environment of the missing person: the relatives. “Out of respect we did not do that in the first instance.” Dompig continues: “For this wasn’t a normal missing- persons case on Aruba . No, it concerned a high profile missing case which America talked to the Netherlands about on a top level.” So we got a phone call from the Dutch Minister of Justice (Piet Hein Donner, CDA) with the order to: “Take everything out of the shelf”. The Netherlands even sent F16’s with very expensive equipment to make photos of every square meter of Aruba . “We understood more and more that it wasn’t about Natalee Holloway, but about the relationship Kingdom of the Netherlands and the US . This reached as far as the inner circle of the White House in Washington. Reaching Vice-President Dick Cheney. He’s the clue.”

STEPFATHER

Renfro also mentions in front of the camera that the highest American institutions and members of government were involved in the case: “The day after she disappeared the chief protocol got a telephone call from Mrs. Condoleeza Rice, asking him to ask our Prime Minister to put this case at the highest priority.”

But except for the hot breath of the FBI in their neck, the local authorities got frustrated in their work, especially when wanting to know more about stepfather Jug, the extremely wealthy president of Phoenix Metals which also does business with Latin-America. In an investigative case in which money possibly plays an important role, it’s important to also look at the financial picture, explains Dompig with his voice on tape. However it soon becomes apparent that he can forget that thought. “You do your own dirty work”, is what Dompig is told upon telling the FBI-attaché his intention of investigating the stepfather. Dompig: “If that’s dirty work, then it raises a few questions.” But that’s not all. According to the police officer, there is talk of a direct ‘threat’ by the consul-general of the US in the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba . Bob Sorenson is stationed in Willemstad , Curaçao and has naturally taken an interest in the case.

It comes down to that up until now this side of the story, at least as long as Dompig has been at the corps, has never been investigated. As is the case with the co-students and their chaperones, who on the planned day simply returned back home. Only after a lot of insistence did the Aruban authorities get the opportunity to ‘interrogate’ a couple of people. This had to be done in writing on half an A4, whereby the Aruban police was thus not permitted to directly interrogate them and whereby they thus had ample time to think of meaningless answers.

The makers of the images believe their recordings can show that what actually happened, is very different than what up until now has been shown, especially by the American media. In any case they want to open a window about the work ethics of the American federal police, who in no single way have shown their full hearted cooperation to investigate all possible scenarios and to really try and solve the mystery. In contrary, they believe that a lot points to a conspiracy. That it isn’t about Natalee Holloway, but about a lot, a lot of money. That she has become the victim of a case which through circumstances took a different turn than was planned.

NOT ON FBI LIST

The issue in any case raises an incredible amount of questions even after two years to date. That Natalee is not on the FBI’s missing people list, says a lot. And that for one of the perhaps most famous missing student of the world. In the US alone, there are 750.000 reports of missing people each year.

http://www.amigoe.com/english/




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Post by: texasmom on December 12, 2010, 02:46:41 PM
Waterboy?   ::MonkeyJnBox:: ::MonkeyDevil::

www.facebook.com

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Post by: Tamikosmom on December 12, 2010, 03:08:42 PM
Prior to the July, 2008 release of the documentary "The Other Side of the Holloway Case"

Renee Gielen Interviews Dave Holloway April 30, 2008

From BFN

This afternoon Dave was interviewed by Renee Gielen for her documentary. He agreed to the interview to set the record straight.

The meeting went well and Dave pretty much countered all the "disinformation" that has been put out there.

They talked about the investigation, the boycott, the "rehab story" and many others issues.

Dave talked to her about Natalee, her personality, her visits and what a wonderful young lady she was.

As far as the investigation, he stated, as he always has, that he felt that certain person stood in the way of resolution... one being Dennis Jacobs.

They also talked about the cab driver / blue eyed blond dutch boy story... about how could the cab driver remember who he had in in cab when, how he did not come forward with the "story" until many days later. He asked Renee to describe her waiter from a restaurant she ate ate the day before... knowing that you do not pay attention or remember these things.

She asked about the Foundations and their purpose which he explained, which we already know.

She also asked him about the birthmark, rehab , Beth's arrival on Aruba, the medjet.... see a pattern forming here?

Dave did comment that Renee was very nice during the interview.

Robin has also promised to tell us more about the interview when she hears all about it.

-- Posted by Debbie BFN

Heli/RU


Following the July release of the documentary "The Other Side of the Natalee Holloway Case".

Geraldo At Large - July 21, 2007

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S FATHER: Geraldo, there's a group of people, individuals on the island, reporters, disgruntled aruban police investigators and the privately operated tourism department that are engaged in a disinformation campaign in an attempt …

GERALDO : And this is part of it Dave

HOLLOWAY: Yeah, they're in an attempt to minimize Natalee's disappearance on Aruba's image and tourism …

Transcript: Heli - RU


Mark Purcell/MIP6 - July 21, 2007

"Well i guess my days of helping have come to an end if this is truly how Dave feels. I guess providing information that goes against the grain of what the 'family' wants to be true is considered miss-information. Cool...finished/done."

BFN


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Post by: klaasend on December 12, 2010, 03:20:28 PM
June 2008

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Post by: Tamikosmom on December 12, 2010, 04:51:05 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Amigoe
November 17, 2007

Mother wanted to hide Natalee Holloway’s rehabilitation past


WILLEMSTAD/ORANJESTAD – Beth Twitty, the mother of Natalee Holloway that disappeared 2.5 years ago in Aruba, has done everything to hide the drug addiction past of her daughter.

Documentary maker Renée Gielen came to this conclusion. As a result of Beth Twitty’s recently published book, ‘Loving Natalee, the true story of Aruban kidnapping and its aftermath’, she threw herself even more empathetically into the case. She bases herself on declarations of Jug Twitty’s search in and around cholhouses in Aruba at that time. By now, Jug Twitty is the ex-husband of Beth. When Jug was asked why he was doing that, he said: “Because Natalee was recently in drug rehab in the US.”

THIS IS WRONG

“After I read the book, I got the feeling that there is something wrong here. The lies in the book and the many other doubtful claims and occurrences in the past 2.5 years made me think: Has Beth really wanted Natalee to be found?” For Gielen, who already has dozens of hours of visual material and is working on a documentary, this is reason for her to soon travel to the United States and go further into the Holloway-case.


Documentary maker to the US for ‘real story’ on Holloway

WILLEMSTAD/ORANJESTAD – “When I looked her in the eyes, I knew that something was not right, and from that moment on, I ducked down in the case; and I am still on it”, says documentary maker Renée Gielen about Beth Twitty, the mother of Natalee Holloway. Gielen ducked down into one of worlds most discussed disappearance cases two-and-a-half years ago and was especially moved by the strange behavior of Natalee’s mother, whom she interviewed in June of 2005 in the Holiday Inn Hotel in Aruba for the Dutch TV-program TweeVandaag. “At that time, I didn’t know yet what I saw in her eyes; one thing I knew, I didn’t have a sad mother sitting in front of me. I know now what I saw then: a mother with a lot of problems.”

Gielen, who lives and works in Curacao, came earlier this year with video-recordings including declarations of persons involved, which put the case in a new light. Amigoe reported this and the Dutch current affairs programme Network broadcasted it thereupon. As a result of the recently published book of Beth Twitty ‘Loving Natalee, the true story of Aruban kidnapping and its aftermath’, she’s now working on a documentary with new material on tape, together with Dolph van Stapele, Peter Ranzijn, Michel Drente, and Suzanne Jansen.

Gielen is now getting ready to go to the United States for further inquiry. She describes Beth’s book as ‘an image building story with a first class rabble-rousing’.

“After I read the book, I got the feeling that there is something wrong here.” That confirmed her suspicions. The lies in the book and the many other doubtful claims and occurrences in the past 2.5 years made me think: Has Beth really wanted Natalee to be found?”

IDEAL DAUGHTER

Gielen points out that Natalee was never put on FBI’s official list of missing persons. She also says that the surveillance tape of the Holiday Inn that shows a blond woman, was not sent to the Forensic Institution in Rijswijk, because Twitty said that the woman was not Natalee. Gielen says that she has information that reveals that Natalee did not at all meet the image that her mother Beth likes to portray her: the dream daughter, a virgin that has never done something wrong in her life, doesn’t drink, doesn’t smoke, has never experimented with drugs; the Christian girl that in all sorts of manners propagated her biblical ideas in volunteer work and was an example for all other young persons.

According to Gielen, the truth is the reverse of all of the above. Natalee has even been in a drug rehabilitation clinic right before she came to Aruba. The girl had such a good time in Aruba that she didn’t want to leave the island. Natalee had the male persons present ‘lick her belly jellies’ on the bar, was smoking dope on the beach, and her girlfriends even warned her not to drink so much, recites Gielen. Natalee’s ‘addiction’ was brought up in an interview that Gielen has on tape, with the Aruban taxi driver Trina (for her protection no family name), who also appears in the book (as the only taxi driver) called by her first name. She tells Gielen that when Beth’s by now second ex-husband and his friend Mitch were in her Taxi, they asked her if she can take them to cholhouses on the island. “When she asked why, they told her that Natalee has recently been in rehab in the US”, said Gielen.

Gielen dares to say that in the days, months, and by now years after the disappearance of her daughter, Beth Twitty wants just one thing: disguise Natalee’s outrageous behavior and the way she disappeared. She only needed one thing for that: a whipping boy. And that was Joran van der Sloot, the boy with whom she was seen last, in the company of the two Surinam brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe; they must have done it. Gielen says that Joran made the mistake by the first instance lie about leaving Natalee behind. “Besides, he writes that in his book, in which he does not spare himself.”

BE NO GOOD

The assertions of Beth Twitty in the course of time confirm the idea that she has played a peculiar part. Gielen names a few examples. “Twitty manages to say in interviews – FOX News, Geraldo – that the Dutch government has used the tragic occurrences around hurricane Katrina to release the suspects in Aruba in September of 2005. ‘Rape is not a crime for the Dutch government’, she added.” Twitty asserts in the same interview that there are five declarations in which Joran van der Sloot admits having had sex with Natalee in his house and that Natalee became unconscious so now and then, while these declarations do not exist, says Gielen. “You must have a lot of courage, when you write in your book that during a meeting in Aruba with Ahata, you make the statement that everything was a cover-up from Aruba’s side and that the then chairman of Ahata would have whispered ‘yes, that’s correct’, while you can count that this can be checked, which I did”, says Gielen.

Twitty writes that the Strategic Communications Task Force that Aruba established, was done ‘to combat the negative media and to combat us’. “A member of the task force contradicts this and says that the task force has always tried not to take an extreme position. In the beginning, the strategic task force has even set herself up as liaison for her. They fixed hotels for her and facilitated her press conferences. They have even collected money.”

The member can only guess that Beth experienced the website – that nuanced her often unfounded statements and accusations that caused the island harm – as an attack on her.

Gielen also quotes that Twitty has repeatedly insinuated that her daughter had no bankcard with her, ‘because it was in her bedroom in Alabama’. “This while Jug Twitty –Natalee’s stepfather, whom Beth has meanwhile divorced – and a friend were talking in a taxi about Natalee withdrawing money twice since her disappearance, after which they have blocked her account.”

Beth writes in her book that she felt threatened by Charles Croes, who as owner of a ‘rental cell phone company’, was real fast involved with the case and offered help on all fronts. Beth says that he has pose as ‘clairvoyant’ and supposedly has asked her about her sex life when he was alone with her in the car. A girlfriend had rescued her just in time. “These are not the only insults of Twitty to Croes’ address. Croes tells his story in an interview I had with him recently, and that is completely different. Besides, Croes confirms Twitty’s ties with the White House. Jug Twitty told him: ‘I have very long fingers that can reach all the way to the White House’. It already appeared earlier that via Jug, Beth had contacts with Condoleezza Rice, who, via the Dutch Justice-minister, managed to have Aruba make the case a ‘high profile one’.

http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2007/11/mailbag-time.html


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Post by: carpe noctem on December 12, 2010, 06:54:59 PM
June 2008

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/ValentijnGradISA08.jpg)

Another sloot Kodak Moment:

I can hear Valentijn describing the picture to a friend, about 20 years from now.

Val: See the guy in the very back? He is cowering like a poodle and can't even work up a full smile. That was my dad! He collapsed one day DOING A GAME OF TENNIS. The little miserable looking fart standing next to him is my brother, Sebas-++++. The woman in the front showing off her giant distended belly and  elephant vagina, that's my mommy! Yes, yes, those were the days, my friend.


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Post by: carpe noctem on December 12, 2010, 08:19:15 PM
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/ValentijnGradISA08spf.jpg)


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Post by: Tamikosmom on December 12, 2010, 08:53:32 PM
THIS ROLLER COASTER RIDE

It's Devastating!

Dr. Phil - January 29, 2006

Beth: There are times when we're thinking that we need to continue, and of course we're still searching for answers, but it's this rollercoaster ride. And it makes me so angry, Dr. Phil, when I let myself fall for information coming out of an official who represents the island of Aruba. If somebody presents you with false hope and false information, it's devastating.

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/3041/?id=1&slide=3&null=null


Dismissed!

Press release by the Aruban Public Prosecutor’s Office

Natalee Holloway Case Dismissed
Tuesday, Dec 18, 2007 - 11:33 AM
Source: NBC 13 Staff


By notifying the three suspects that they will not be charged with the crimes that were under investigation by the judge of instruction or for which they have been kept in custody or, two years ago, in pre-trial detention, these crimes now have been dismissed.

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2007_12_16_archive.html


He Told Her Face to Face

Aruba ends probe into Holloway disappearance
12/18/2007


Holloway's mother, Beth Twitty, was "terribly disappointed" that the case was closed and has been on an emotional roller coaster in recent weeks, said Sunny Tillman of Birmingham, Ala., a spokeswoman for her.

"She was very hopeful the last couple weeks, and she went down there and met with the prosecutor," Tillman said. "He told her face to face that he had new and incriminating evidence and that made her hopeful."

"So now, in light of this today, it's just so perplexing," she said

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22312287/ns/world_news-americas



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Post by: Tamikosmom on December 12, 2010, 09:07:55 PM
Wonder if Beth can sue Renée Gielen? 

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_82182.php


Press release by the Aruban Public Prosecutor’s Office

Natalee Holloway Case Dismissed
Tuesday, Dec 18, 2007 - 11:33 AM
Source: NBC 13 Staff


Yet the Public Prosecutor’s Office and the team of investigators are convinced that after this year’s investigation from April until December, it has become clear that any scenario beyond the one that implicates these three suspects has either been falsified or is proven to be highly unlikely.

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2007_12_16_archive.html




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Post by: texasmom on December 12, 2010, 10:22:48 PM
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/ValentijnGradISA08spf.jpg)

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::ElfMonkey::


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Post by: crazybabyborg on December 12, 2010, 10:28:40 PM
Wonder if Beth can sue Renée Gielen? 

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_82182.php

I've been wondering the same.  If she can, I hope she does. 



I'm just thinking since the book is going to be published in the US she might be able to.

I'm no lawyer, but I would think that if Gielen asserts falsehoods as facts, then it's at the least slanderous. It's my understanding that these suits have to be persued on the basis of harm done to a living person. I would think Beth would meet that standard easily:

SLANDER
A false defamation (expressed in spoken words, signs, or gestures) which injures the character or reputation of the person defamed.
http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/s052.htm

DEFAMATION OF CHARACTER
Defamation is false and unprivileged spoken words or written publication, which exposes any living person to hatred, contempt, ridicule, or which causes him/her to be shunned or avoided, or which has a tendency to injure him/her in his/her trade or occupation.

For example, if a person or the news media says or writes something about you that is understood to lower your reputation, or that keeps people from associating with you, defamation has occurred. However, if someone says something false about someone who has died, as reprehensible as that may be, in most states it is not considered defamatory. No legal action can be taken on behalf of a dead person. Only a living person can be defamed.

What are the elements of a defamation claim?


1. a publication to one other than the person defamed;
2. a false statement of fact; that is understood as being of and concerning the plaintiff; and tending to harm the reputation of plaintiff.
3. If the plaintiff is a public figure, he or she must also prove actual malice.
http://www.lawinfo.com/fuseaction/Client.lawarea/categoryid/1162


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Post by: texasmom on December 13, 2010, 12:23:39 AM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/25315-un-hoben-mardenborough-di-16-anja-prome-morto-di-dengue-na-aruba.html

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_thumbs/b.175.125.16777215.0...images.stories.news.2010.december.dec12.dengue.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

first dead of dengue at aruba

sunday, 12 december 2010 19:33

diadomingo nightfall aruba owing to wordo sacudi cu the news of the first dead of dengue. here is deal of one young younger of 16 anja. the surname is mardenborough y is procedente of san nicolas. informacion cu owing to enter is tell cu two trip the young here owing to being take away centro medico at san nicolas. today in oranan of nightfall finalmente the will owing to arrive hospital at eagle. at once owing to cuminsa work cune y place in cuido intensivo. one rato happen owing to enter informacion cu past owing to fayece. this is become the first dead for her year here. we have to stay work on the problem earnest of criadero for end cu the sanguranan dangerous here. paz at his restonan y much forza at the family.


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Post by: klaasend on December 13, 2010, 12:30:40 AM
That's sad TM and I'd be terrified living on such a small island with an outbreak like that. 


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Post by: texasmom on December 13, 2010, 12:31:25 AM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/25254-un-taxista-carga-cu-droga-den-su-boto-a-keda-deteni-.html

Papiamentu translation:

one taxista carga cu drugs in his boat owing to stay deteni

thursday, 09 december 2010 22:34

one golpi much strong the departamento across from drugs of cuerpo policial conoci because; seccion crimen organiza owing to strike low world. is talk of algo less cu 100 kilo of cocaina clean. the sospechoso principal in the caso here is robert geerman of tx-35 that owing to being grab cu more cu 50 kilo in his boat end chasers. ultimo time seems cu roberto was work some cu his taxi y was constant on lama. seems cu his trabao of piscamento owing to become buscamento y pasamento of drugs. the have one super good amistad cu esnan of kustwacht. they self never owing to live think cu they good amigo today is meti hoof claw in drugs. till even esnan of kustwacht is haci usage of the boat of robert geerman for leave pisca on lama. robert geerman self never owing to believe cu the will wordo grab but his number owing to play good play. for some time end they're behind the movecion of roberto. seccion crimen organisa was keep the instant oportuno for place hand on dje. owing to lage leave y diahuebs morning hour cu the was on lama biniendo ground owing to go pe. of marduga past owing to leave go pisca supuestamente. finalmente past owing to achieve the boat of kustwacht on dje y bingo owing to achieve the cantidad of more cu 50 kilo of cocaina on the boat. after of his detencion owing to go over also at follow cu listramento of cuater cas. provided that overall owing to haci seven detencion of cual roberto geerman y some colombiano cu venezolano. the confianza cu everybody was have in the piscador here owing to go perdi cu thing past owing to comete. this do not first trip cu the will owing to comete the acto here. at the casnan cu owing to wordo listra owing to achieve also more drugs. is talk of one cantidad of algo less cu 100 kilo. one felicitacion at seccion crimen organiza. this once more is the maneho cu alto comisario dolfi richardson y also minister of husticia is implementando for combatimento of drugs. the taxista here for colmo is pal of one member of parliament of mep cu also owing to stay all babuca cu the news here. the taxi color blanco tx-35 owing to stay confisca.


http://www.einformante.com/Policial/guarda-costa-ta-gara-robert-geeramn-cu-mas-di-50-kilo-di-cocaina-ri-e-boto-fin-chaser/

Papiamentu translation:

guarda costa is grab robert geerman cu more of 50 kilo of cocaina on the boat end chaser

oranjestad- diahuebs morning gaurda costa is intercepta the boat end chaser cu more of 50 kilo of cocaina caminda at is detene robert geerman because; sospechoso principal. robert geerman is taxista y is core taxi 35. the caso here is in pleno investagacion, all the time the drugs together cu the boat y also the taxi cu the is donjo owing to stay confisca.
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_82158.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Coast Guard found 66 kilos of drugs in fishing

December 10, 2010, 24:56 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The Coast Guard on Thursday morning at sea 67 kilos of drugs found on board fishing Fin Chasers. During the following four raids by the Organised Crime Section, an additional one kilo of drugs found in a hotel room. Justice made six arrests, including the Aruban owner of the boat, which also is a taxi driver.

The Public Prosecutor (OM) speaks of raids in the 'broadest sense. Because the search of the boat and hotel room are also there. Besides the detained fisherman / taxi driver is also a woman (Aruba), two men from Colombia and arrested two men from Curaçao.

The arrest of the fisherman, RG, for the Coast Guard will itself be a blow. The man had good connections with the coast guard and watched as he and his boat exports forward to possible drug boats. He also lent his boat where the drugs were found, also regularly to the Coast Guard so they could leave with it. Recently, he was more at sea than riding in his taxi seen. The Organized Crime Section was G. and six others for some time in the holes and waited for the right moment to strike. That happened Thursday morning after G. That night was again set sail. The Coast Guard came on board and found the drugs. The prosecution is currently investigating whether it is cocaine. The arrested persons are now brought before the judge. Justice does not rule out that more arrests to follow.

This drug bust, the Organized Crime Section of a major battle beaten. Yet does not the OM of the biggest drug bust this year. For several years justice has been the fight against drug trafficking priority. Last year, the police have a record number of drug couriers, otherwise mostly drug smugglers. Last year, police arrested more people, 155 total, for drug offenses of which 137 were detained.


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Post by: klaasend on December 13, 2010, 12:33:41 AM
Oil Spill?

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=5605&offId=0&offDate=2010-12
(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/5605/2_1292198102.jpg)

ATROBE OIL-SPILL GRANDI DEN AREA DI VALERO, DURANTE TRASPASO DI CRUDO



Diadomingo atardi, alarma a ser bati pa un oil spill basta grandi den area di refineria Valero. Segun indicacion, un tankero cu ta para pa carga of descarga lo a ocasiona e oil spill aki. Durante e proceso pa kita e coneccion, algo a bai robez. Hecho ta cu ta masha azeta a bay laman.

Polis a wordo notifica di e caso aki mesora. Tambe Guardacosta di Caribe Hulandes, a cay aden pa cuminsa cu e investigacion. Refineria Valero mes a saca tugboatnan pa bay over na spuitmento di quimico riba e lama pa contene e oil-spill aki, pero manera semper, e crudo pisa aki ta bay fondo, y ta sigui haci da


Through translator:

again oil-spill big in area of valero, during traspaso of crudo


diadomingo nightfall, alarma owing to being beat for one oil spill enough big in area of refineria valero. according indicacion, one tankero cu is stop for carga or descarga will owing to ocasiona the oil spill here. during the proceso for less the coneccion, algo owing to go robez. mature is cu is very azeta owing to bay sea. police owing to wordo notifica of the caso here at once. also guardacosta of caribe dutch, owing to cay inside for cuminsa cu the investigacion. refineria valero self owing to saca tugboatnan for bay over at spuitmento of quimico on the lama for contene the oil-spill here, but as always, the crudo pisa here is bay fondo, y is follow haci da


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Post by: texasmom on December 13, 2010, 12:36:34 AM
That's sad TM and I'd be terrified living on such a small island with an outbreak like that. 

Yes, it is sad.  And if I understand correctly, the young person had been taken for medical attention twice to the facility in San Nicolas before they were taken to the other hospital where they were put in intensive care.  Makes you wonder why they weren't hospitalized before that!

I'd be terrified too!  Just think of all the standing water (for mosquito nests) there must be now after all that rain!
 ::MonkeyNoNo::
 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 13, 2010, 12:43:00 AM
Looks like there's another 18 year old in intensive care with symptoms of dengue too. 

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/25321-cantidad-record-di-pashent-interna-pa-motibo-di-dengue.html

Papiamentu translation:

cantidad record of pashent interna for motibo of dengue

monday, 13 december 2010 00:05

the situation of dengue at aruba is much earnest compara cu all another añanan. adieu cu awasero is follow rain y we island is stay cu plasnan of water y consecuentemente formando more criadero, we will follow in the same situation. today diadomingo nightfall one child muhe of 16 year owing to lose his life but is good for informa cu have one another boy of barely 18 year of edad interna in cuido intensivo at hospital cu sintomanan of dengue! in the season here hospital owing to see casi 200 pashent cu owing to arrive policlinica cu sintomanan of dengue. is recomenda everybody for cuida they curpa, elimina criadero y bay doctor so cu do you feel do you curpa bad.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 13, 2010, 12:49:57 AM
I read over at RU that this was replayed again tonight on MSNBC:

http://television.aol.com/show/inside-the-mind-of-joran-van-der-sloot/11941050/main

Inside the Mind of Joran van der Sloot
Main

New
December 12, 2010
MSNBC 10:00 PM

Inside the mind of Joran van der Sloot, the prime suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and the murder of Stephany Flores Ramirez.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 13, 2010, 12:51:35 AM
Oil Spill?

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=5605&offId=0&offDate=2010-12
(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/5605/2_1292198102.jpg)

ATROBE OIL-SPILL GRANDI DEN AREA DI VALERO, DURANTE TRASPASO DI CRUDO



Diadomingo atardi, alarma a ser bati pa un oil spill basta grandi den area di refineria Valero. Segun indicacion, un tankero cu ta para pa carga of descarga lo a ocasiona e oil spill aki. Durante e proceso pa kita e coneccion, algo a bai robez. Hecho ta cu ta masha azeta a bay laman.

Polis a wordo notifica di e caso aki mesora. Tambe Guardacosta di Caribe Hulandes, a cay aden pa cuminsa cu e investigacion. Refineria Valero mes a saca tugboatnan pa bay over na spuitmento di quimico riba e lama pa contene e oil-spill aki, pero manera semper, e crudo pisa aki ta bay fondo, y ta sigui haci da


Through translator:

again oil-spill big in area of valero, during traspaso of crudo


diadomingo nightfall, alarma owing to being beat for one oil spill enough big in area of refineria valero. according indicacion, one tankero cu is stop for carga or descarga will owing to ocasiona the oil spill here. during the proceso for less the coneccion, algo owing to go robez. mature is cu is very azeta owing to bay sea. police owing to wordo notifica of the caso here at once. also guardacosta of caribe dutch, owing to cay inside for cuminsa cu the investigacion. refineria valero self owing to saca tugboatnan for bay over at spuitmento of quimico on the lama for contene the oil-spill here, but as always, the crudo pisa here is bay fondo, y is follow haci da

Yes, and it says it was a big one too.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 13, 2010, 12:58:36 AM
If Anita had the decency to have any shame at all...if she had any sense at all...she'd say enough is enough.  But of course she has neither. 

Here you go Aruba...some more BAD LIGHT!  Blaming a crime victims family...AGAIN!...even after the PRIME SUSPECT HAS MURDERED AGAIN...very bad for tourism.

The Dutch didn't buy her crap the first time she packaged it, Americans won't either.

jmo

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

http://www.rnw.nl/caribiana/article/zaak-holloway-veel-vragen-nog-onbeantwoord

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renee%20Gielen/12092010_ReneeGielen_MoreofthesameBS.jpg)(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renee%20Gielen/12092010_ReneeGielen_MoreofthesameBS2.jpg)

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_82159.php

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renee%20Gielen/12102010_Amigoe_ReneeGielenBS.jpg)

English version of the Amigoe article:

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_82182.php

‘Natalee did not want to go home’
10 Dec, 2010, 12:04 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANJESTAD — Beginning next year, documentary producer Renée Gielen will be publishing the book ‘I don’t want to go home’ on the disappearance of the American teenager Natalee Holloway in 2005. Her book, which she by her own account says it answers 99 percent of the unanswered questions, states that Natalee had left Aruba alive. With this, she elaborates on a film that she had published two years ago. This film departs from the involvement of the Holloway family with the disappearance. Apparently, there’s a passengers’ list from a private aircraft that was on the island at the time of the disappearance, mentioning Natalee’s name. That is the proof she had left the island alive, according to Gielen. Although she has witnesses who declare that this list exists, the list itself never turned up. Moreover, the witnesses do not wish their names to be revealed, or tell their story before the camera.

“I don’t want to go home’ will be published on the American market first. “ The book is a recording of my experience and my search into what has happened. However, in the book I will also include all documents and photographs that were not published before.”


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Post by: texasmom on December 13, 2010, 01:57:20 AM
Chamapgne @ Confession 11dec'10

http://www.24ora.com/gallery.html?func=detail&id=22065

(http://www.24ora.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=223&id=22065&Itemid=63)


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Post by: texasmom on December 13, 2010, 03:54:06 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

and Stephany!
 
::MonkeyJustice::


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Post by: carpe noctem on December 13, 2010, 03:57:48 AM
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/grannyjuice.jpg)

 ::monkeywine2:: ::monkeywine2:: ::monkeywine2:: ::monkeywine2::


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Post by: San on December 13, 2010, 05:45:50 AM
 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Blue Moon on December 13, 2010, 08:22:25 AM
That's sad TM and I'd be terrified living on such a small island with an outbreak like that. 

Yes, it is sad.  And if I understand correctly, the young person had been taken for medical attention twice to the facility in San Nicolas before they were taken to the other hospital where they were put in intensive care.  Makes you wonder why they weren't hospitalized before that!

I'd be terrified too!  Just think of all the standing water (for mosquito nests) there must be now after all that rain!
 ::MonkeyNoNo::
 

Bad part is they have had their first case here in the US-in Florida.  Was reading about that the other day.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Blue Moon on December 13, 2010, 08:23:03 AM
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/grannyjuice.jpg)

 ::monkeywine2:: ::monkeywine2:: ::monkeywine2:: ::monkeywine2::


Carpe, you just won't do.   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyJnBox:: ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Blue Moon on December 13, 2010, 08:24:28 AM
If Anita had the decency to have any shame at all...if she had any sense at all...she'd say enough is enough.  But of course she has neither. 

Here you go Aruba...some more BAD LIGHT!  Blaming a crime victims family...AGAIN!...even after the PRIME SUSPECT HAS MURDERED AGAIN...very bad for tourism.

The Dutch didn't buy her crap the first time she packaged it, Americans won't either.

jmo

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

http://www.rnw.nl/caribiana/article/zaak-holloway-veel-vragen-nog-onbeantwoord

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renee%20Gielen/12092010_ReneeGielen_MoreofthesameBS.jpg)(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renee%20Gielen/12092010_ReneeGielen_MoreofthesameBS2.jpg)

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_82159.php

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renee%20Gielen/12102010_Amigoe_ReneeGielenBS.jpg)

English version of the Amigoe article:

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_82182.php

‘Natalee did not want to go home’
10 Dec, 2010, 12:04 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANJESTAD — Beginning next year, documentary producer Renée Gielen will be publishing the book ‘I don’t want to go home’ on the disappearance of the American teenager Natalee Holloway in 2005. Her book, which she by her own account says it answers 99 percent of the unanswered questions, states that Natalee had left Aruba alive. With this, she elaborates on a film that she had published two years ago. This film departs from the involvement of the Holloway family with the disappearance. Apparently, there’s a passengers’ list from a private aircraft that was on the island at the time of the disappearance, mentioning Natalee’s name. That is the proof she had left the island alive, according to Gielen. Although she has witnesses who declare that this list exists, the list itself never turned up. Moreover, the witnesses do not wish their names to be revealed, or tell their story before the camera.

“I don’t want to go home’ will be published on the American market first. “ The book is a recording of my experience and my search into what has happened. However, in the book I will also include all documents and photographs that were not published before.”

This woman is a "WITCH".  Her face looks like Renho.  Leather face.  I hope Beth hangs her out to dry.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


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Post by: RoxiBalboa on December 13, 2010, 08:57:25 AM
Happy Holidays Monkeys!

I can't read the Renee stuff because I know it will upset me too much. Just wanted to say... remember.... the FBI has Joran's laptop. It's not over by a long shot.

Justice for Natalee and Stephany!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on December 13, 2010, 09:31:10 AM
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/grannyjuice.jpg)

 ::monkeywine2:: ::monkeywine2:: ::monkeywine2:: ::monkeywine2::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

THANK YOU, CARPE!! I really needed that! This Gielen biotch really gets under my skin and it's much better to laugh at it!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 13, 2010, 09:47:09 AM
O/T

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/12/13/amsterdam-says-preschool-pedophile-arrested/?test=latestnews

Dutch Arrest Suspected Serial Child Molester

Published December 12, 2010 | Associated Press


AMSTERDAM -- Amsterdam police called for the public to provide information on a possible child pornography ring Monday after a teacher was arrested on suspicion of molesting dozens of very young children.

The 27-year-old suspect in the Amsterdam case worked as a substitute teacher for at least two preschools in the city and also offered baby-sitting services online in what is feared to be one of the worst cases of sexual abuse in the Netherlands, the city's mayor said at a late-night press conference Sunday.

Eberhard van der Laan said more than 50 parents had been informed that the suspect arrested last week after a tip from U.S. authorities has either confessed to abusing their children, or was thought to have done so.

"This is about a serious suspicion of grave abuse by a man who was arrested Tuesday and has been held since then," Van der Laan said at a news conference with the city's police commissioner and chief prosecutor.

"I see it as my most important job to inform parents as well as I possibly can," he added.

Joannes Thuy, a spokesman for European law enforcement cooperation agency Eurojust, declined comment on whether the tip-off was linked to an ongoing international investigation into the sexual abuse of minors and the production and distribution of child abuse images.

The agency said in an email Monday that a worldwide pedophile network has been uncovered as a result of the efforts of the countries involved, offenders have been arrested and numerous victims have been rescued.

Eurojust said two separate news conferences are planned in Los Angeles, California, and The Hague, Netherlands, this week to announce developments in the investigation which has been running since 2008.


The suspect in the Amsterdam case was arrested Dec. 7 after a Dutch police television program aired what it said was an image of an unidentified victim of child pornography.

U.S. authorities seized the image in a separate investigation and told their Dutch counterparts it was made in the Netherlands, chief prosecutor Herman Bolhaar said.

The victim's parents identified their child from the television image and called police, leading to the suspect's arrest the same night, Bolhaar said.

The man's computers containing child pornography were seized and he has since confessed to dozens of sex crimes allegedly committed over the past year and a half, Bolhaar said.

The victims were boys and girls under four years old, he added.

Amsterdam police spokesman Rob van der Veen said Monday police were still seeking more witnesses and information in the ongoing investigation, with more arrests possible.

Mayor Van der Laan urged media not to publish photographs of the children possibly affected, and to be reserved in contacting their parents.

Police identified the suspect as a Dutch citizen originally from Riga, Latvia, and also published his photo — an unusual step, as privacy laws usually prevent publication of photographs of suspects in the Netherlands.

Van der Laan said that the photo had been released in part to reassure the thousands of parents in Amsterdam whose children were not affected.

"At the same time we want to alert others that it indeed was their babysitter," he said.

Bolhaar noted the suspect was a specialist in encryption and his computers had sophisticated protection.

A candle was left Sunday night on the steps of one of the affected day care centers. An attached note bore the single word: "terrible."


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/12/13/amsterdam-says-preschool-pedophile-arrested/#ixzz180Fl2Wx0


This is the guy:

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ad.nl%2Fad%2Fnl%2F3322%2FMisbruik-in-Amsterdamse-creches%2Farticle%2Fdetail%2F551671%2F2010%2F12%2F13%2FRobert-M-wacht-lange-straf.dhtml&sl=nl&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8 (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ad.nl%2Fad%2Fnl%2F3322%2FMisbruik-in-Amsterdamse-creches%2Farticle%2Fdetail%2F551671%2F2010%2F12%2F13%2FRobert-M-wacht-lange-straf.dhtml&sl=nl&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8)

(http://www.ad.nl/static/FOTO/pe/7/12/13/media_xl_276058.jpg?20101213151702)


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Post by: Nana29 on December 13, 2010, 09:58:42 AM
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/grannyjuice.jpg)

 ::monkeywine2:: ::monkeywine2:: ::monkeywine2:: ::monkeywine2::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

THANK YOU, CARPE!! I really needed that! This Gielen biotch really gets under my skin and it's much better to laugh at it!  ::MonkeyWink::


I...love...this!!!!! Buuuuut..... Poor Irene Ryan!     ::MonkeyWink::    Somehow I have a feeling she would not mind!

It does bring to mind a question though...who would be Jethro?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 13, 2010, 10:10:27 AM
 ::ElfMonkey:: ::ElfMonkey::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/album2/Images/346.zoom3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 13, 2010, 02:39:18 PM
http://kikaxemusic.com/news/hard-rock-and-metal/item/2393-within-temptation-get-creepy-with-new-track-where-is-the-edge-from-the-film-me--mr-jones

WITHIN TEMPTATION get creepy with new track WHERE IS THE EDGE from the film ME & MR JONES
Hard Rock and Metal Monday, 13 December 2010 11:08


Roadrunner artists WITHIN TEMPTATION will be releasing the track "Where is the Edge" on their official website this Wednesday, December 15th. Contrary to what the title may indicate, the track is not about a search for the U2 Guitarist, but will coincide with a video for the song, which features exclusive preview scenes taken from the upcoming movie Me & Mr. Jones, directed by Oscar-winning Dutch director Paul Ruven. The movie is a thriller inspired by the disappearance of Natalee Holloway on Aruba, the island where also the movie itself has been secretly shot.

 

Fans sharing the video on their Facebook using an application on the Within Temptation Facebook page will have their names included in the special edition of the album.

 

When speaking about the track, Within Temptation revealed, “The song 'Where Is The Edge' is based on the story of The Unforgiving, a graphic novel written by Steven O’Connell. However there is a clear link between the storyline of our new concept album and the thriller Me & Mr. Jones as they both deal with mystery, murder, guilt, and a lack of forgiveness.”

 

For more information on Within Temptation, go here.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 13, 2010, 02:59:58 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_82250.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Possibly the first dengue death

December 13, 2010, 1:19 p.m. (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - "Today has not been confirmed" that Aruba is the first dengue death this year. Department of Health said this morning in a telephone response to reports in local media on Sunday that a teenager would dengue are deceased.

It was reported that it is a sixteen year old boy from complications of the disease are deceased. But to officially confirm the authorities did nothing. Also on any autopsy would-director Derek Ian Blok nothing. "We have professional and should not disclose personal information." The government wants as regards dengue is like to be as transparent as possible, he says. "In general, the family of a deceased must give permission for autopsy and for the disclosure of the results. Only then can the government possibly mention that if we used in our professional legal possibilities. "

He explained, the general procedure. "When someone dies, presumably due to dengue, the blood is collected. The moment of blood is very important. Until several days the patient had dengue, then this need not be visible in the blood. And this will help the investigation is not forward. There are possible additional research to determine whether it was dengue. If the first result is negative, but the suspicion of dengue continues, we do additional testing. It is only in the Netherlands. The results of such tests take one week to one month, depending on the severity of dengue. "

Epidemic
For the outbreak of dengue and the situation on the island makes any dengue death no difference. "That sounds very harsh to say, but last year we had three dengue deaths. A death due to dengue this year is expected, the spread of dengue as long as we did not stop. "
Aruba is 'just' in a dengue epidemic, says Block. But he hastens on to say that this week may vary. "We view the dengue figures over five years. The trend is that between March and September are extremely few cases in November and December more accurate. As long as we in our weekly sales figures below that trend figures are, we speak not of an epidemic. We have above, we call it an epidemic. "The latest figures are of dengue in late November. Health finds that when there was a slight increase of dengue cases, just above trend. "We see an increase in November over the trend and thus an epidemic, but the increase was less than expected. If this line continues, then it could be that the epidemic in December over again because we back below the trend down. "Block admits that on the basis of these data the dengue situation in Aruba can be seriously mentioned.

Also read "Dengue type 4 also in Aruba"

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_82247.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Dengue type 4 also in Aruba

December 13, 2010, 13:17 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Test results from last week have been sent from the Netherlands to Aruba, Aruba on that now for the first time, dengue type 4 haunts.

According to the Director of Health Department increases the risk of dengue disease. "Those who have previously had dengue fever, has in general less likely to return to dengue type to get. But this is a type that we have not seen before, and this is no more immune to Aruba. The entire population is due to dengue type 4 is a greater chance of dengue. "Begins today and Yellow Fever Mosquito Control Service (GKMB) syringes and check again. This work was temporarily suspended when it was raining heavily. An employee of GKMB says that the service 'daily calls from people asking if we want to come. " "People still think that spraying alone is sufficient. But the spot is clear enough that there are breeding grounds around the house by the residents were not removed. Spraying has no purpose, because it kills only adult mosquitoes. "According GKMB there are some neighborhoods where the nuisance of mosquitoes is highest. "(Bruinwijk)Brown District, Oranjestad, Dakota, Paradera, Noord (Sabana Liber) and San Nicolas."


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 13, 2010, 03:06:26 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_82248.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Valero Aruba and sign gas supply agreement in principle

December 13, 2010, 13:17 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The Government Office this morning was an agreement in principle between the Aruban government and oil refinery Valero signed for gas supplies from the refinery in San Nicolas.

Delivery is based on the purchase of a private ship liquefied natural gas to the island will bring to WEB and Valero. Addition, we are a direct pipeline between Venezuela and Aruba. In the signed agreement in principle, the possibility Utilities NV, parent company of both water and power producer WEB and Elmar electricity supplier, to join in this joint venture. Valero is working on making a switch from oil to liquefied natural gas as fuel for the refinery. It should not only ensure lower costs for the refinery but also the production of utilities will, especially through this agreement are lower. Eman expects the transition of gas production by WEB WEB between 15 and 20 percent will fall. Recipe WEB-generators can all run on gas. Valero will for the change, which is already being prepared for a bigger profit margin concerns. The prime minister assures the continuity of production and thus the presence of Valero on the island.

 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 13, 2010, 03:12:18 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_82227.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Website for foreign investors

December 13, 2010, 24:01 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Lawyers VanEps Kunneman VanDoorne has a new website for business launched. This is specifically aimed at clarifying the changes that the new political structure after the removal of the Netherlands Antilles, the legal systems on these islands and Aruba entail.

The website www.doingbusinessdutchcaribbean.com is designed for Dutch companies and investors who want to do in Aruba, Curacao, St. Maarten and Bonaire. Also Surinamese companies and investors, who recently have become more active in the region benefit from the site. Besides general information, are also the legal aspects of doing business on the islands issue. Things like include the usual business structures, licensing issues, labor issues, intellectual property and tenancies are discussed. For example, a site which permits needed to start a business and for any recruitment of foreign workers. But there is also information about banks, insurance companies and the role of the Central Bank as supervisor. Of further interest is the differences between the various legal systems.

The law firm says several reasons for launching this website. First, does the threshold and lowering costs for customers. A customer with the necessary basic information to get before the lawyer for further advice. And because as previously informed parties concerned might be, it also saves time and cost to the customer. Also sees VanEps Kunneman VanDoorne as a showpiece for the home office and they finally put it to satisfy an order of Lex Mundi, the largest international network of independent law firms. VanEps Kunneman VanDoorne is exclusive for the member countries Aruba, Curacao, St. Maarten and the BES islands and Lex Mundi asks each member to a so-called "doing business guide" back on the country or region that the member represents.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 13, 2010, 03:13:39 PM
What is the hold up?

Janet

++++++

SEPTEMBER, 2010

Van der Sloot: I've 'misused' Holloway case 'for my own advantage'
By the CNN Wire Staff
September 7, 2010 9:11 a.m. EDT


Also Monday, a Peruvian court voted 2-1 to reject van der Sloot's contention that he is being held unlawfully, but the court requires three votes to secure a decision. Alteza said that a fourth jurist will hear the case and cast a vote at a public hearing next week. If that judge votes in favor of van der Sloot, a fifth judge will hear the case to break the tie.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/09/07/peru.vandersloot/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn


DECEMBER, 2010

Van der Sloot not Peru's most notorious prisoner
Last Update: 9:33 am


Meanwhile, down the road at Castro Castro, Joran van der Sloot is still awaiting word his appeal to have his murder confession thrown out of court. His lawyers charge both coercion and procedural improprieties to his confession he murdered 21 year old Stephany Flores after she found material about Natalee Holloway on his computer. Flores corpse was found in van der Sloot's Lima hotel room five years to the day of Natalee Holloway's disappearance on a high school trip to Aruba.

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Van-der-Sloot-not-Perus-most-notorious-prisoner/WbjNq4sK0U6QzOspmsOJhA.cspx


Waiting for justice to prevail for Natalee Holloway and now Stephany Flores at time seems so futile.

However ... there is a day coming when Joran van der Sloot will stand alone before the Judge of all judges and ... He will not be mocked.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 13, 2010, 03:15:33 PM
Oil Spill?

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=5605&offId=0&offDate=2010-12
(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/5605/2_1292198102.jpg)

ATROBE OIL-SPILL GRANDI DEN AREA DI VALERO, DURANTE TRASPASO DI CRUDO



Diadomingo atardi, alarma a ser bati pa un oil spill basta grandi den area di refineria Valero. Segun indicacion, un tankero cu ta para pa carga of descarga lo a ocasiona e oil spill aki. Durante e proceso pa kita e coneccion, algo a bai robez. Hecho ta cu ta masha azeta a bay laman.

Polis a wordo notifica di e caso aki mesora. Tambe Guardacosta di Caribe Hulandes, a cay aden pa cuminsa cu e investigacion. Refineria Valero mes a saca tugboatnan pa bay over na spuitmento di quimico riba e lama pa contene e oil-spill aki, pero manera semper, e crudo pisa aki ta bay fondo, y ta sigui haci da


Through translator:

again oil-spill big in area of valero, during traspaso of crudo


diadomingo nightfall, alarma owing to being beat for one oil spill enough big in area of refineria valero. according indicacion, one tankero cu is stop for carga or descarga will owing to ocasiona the oil spill here. during the proceso for less the coneccion, algo owing to go robez. mature is cu is very azeta owing to bay sea. police owing to wordo notifica of the caso here at once. also guardacosta of caribe dutch, owing to cay inside for cuminsa cu the investigacion. refineria valero self owing to saca tugboatnan for bay over at spuitmento of quimico on the lama for contene the oil-spill here, but as always, the crudo pisa here is bay fondo, y is follow haci da

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_82252.php

Google translation:

Valero Oil leaking from tanker at sea

December 13, 2010, 13:22 (GMT -04:00)

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SAN NICOLAS - After the transshipment of oil from a tanker to a storage tank of Valero oil refinery is still unclear yesterday afternoon a quantity of oil leaked into the sea. The accident took place at Berth 1 Reef in the refinery. This confirms an employee of the Coast Guard. Valero, the Coast Guard and the Environmental Inspectorate is not informed of the spill.

The loading arm of Reef Berth 1, the dock where the ship was moored, was once beaten so the oil was over, cleaned. In the procedure, residual oil from the loading arm in a separate tank. The amount of oil in the loading arm appeared so large that the tank overflowed and oil flowed into the sea. Fishermen saw ships from Valero were spraying chemicals to the oil slick spreading and alert the Coast Guard. "When we arrived, they were already one hour," said coastguard officer Luis Tromp, who at that time had piketdienst. Nico Arts, acting director of the Disaster Management Office confirmed that his department not been informed of the accident. "I learned this morning from the newspaper. And while we have been designated by the Government as coordinator in cases of oil spills. "Doctor said to have been already in talks with Department of Shipping, which eventually supervisor about what is happening in Aruban waters with ships.

Exactly how much oil has fallen into the sea, is unclear. Coast Guard Officer Tromp: "I suspect that it is four to five barrels" A barrel contains almost 159 liters. Richard Simon, manager of the Marine Department of Valero and coordinator of the sweep to the amount estimated by the Coast Guard oil spills not confirm. He refers to company spokesman Paul Arends Daily Herald. But this is the time of printing of this edition is not available.

Cleaning
According to Simon, people now "already 98 percent finished" with the cleaning. "The area where the oil has leaked, does not go beyond 1 Berth Reef. This morning there was a small piece that had to be cleaned, but we are currently doing. "The chemicals used for cleaning both approved by the Aruban government and international agencies, he asserts. The chemicals used by BP to dilute the oil during the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico last summer were much heavier. "For the environment and the marine life is what we use, at least not harmful."

 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Buckeye on December 13, 2010, 05:15:57 PM
http://kikaxemusic.com/news/hard-rock-and-metal/item/2393-within-temptation-get-creepy-with-new-track-where-is-the-edge-from-the-film-me--mr-jones

WITHIN TEMPTATION get creepy with new track WHERE IS THE EDGE from the film ME & MR JONES
Hard Rock and Metal Monday, 13 December 2010 11:08


Roadrunner artists WITHIN TEMPTATION will be releasing the track "Where is the Edge" on their official website this Wednesday, December 15th. Contrary to what the title may indicate, the track is not about a search for the U2 Guitarist, but will coincide with a video for the song, which features exclusive preview scenes taken from the upcoming movie Me & Mr. Jones, directed by Oscar-winning Dutch director Paul Ruven. The movie is a thriller inspired by the disappearance of Natalee Holloway on Aruba, the island where also the movie itself has been secretly shot.

 

Fans sharing the video on their Facebook using an application on the Within Temptation Facebook page will have their names included in the special edition of the album.

 

When speaking about the track, Within Temptation revealed, “The song 'Where Is The Edge' is based on the story of The Unforgiving, a graphic novel written by Steven O’Connell. However there is a clear link between the storyline of our new concept album and the thriller Me & Mr. Jones as they both deal with mystery, murder, guilt, and a lack of forgiveness.”

 

For more information on Within Temptation, go here.



That group and comic strip writer is very Goth.  The most current strip. by O'Connell is about a virus placed by Russia. The earlier one deals with a vampire.  I have no idea why that music/topic would be tied to this story....unless of course...the writer found vampires and evil on Aruba.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

BLOODRAYNE: GENESIS TPB
by Steven O’Connell, Christina Z, Kody Chamberlain, Romano Molenaar
Vampire blood. Human heart. Deadly intentions. Collecting the sold out first year of BloodRayne. First up, Agent Rayne must stop a secret Nazi plot to smuggle a Vampire King into the United States. She then comes face-to-face with the prince of a decadent and powerful Grecian vampire clan. Later Rayne investigates the disappearance of two Brimstone Society members, leading her to an ancient cemetery. Also learn the origin of Rayne’s spectacular blades. Based on the popular video game character.

http://www.digitalwebbing.com/blog/2007/09/bloodrayne-genesis-preview/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Buckeye on December 13, 2010, 05:18:56 PM
O/T

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/12/13/amsterdam-says-preschool-pedophile-arrested/?test=latestnews

Dutch Arrest Suspected Serial Child Molester

Published December 12, 2010 | Associated Press


AMSTERDAM -- Amsterdam police called for the public to provide information on a possible child pornography ring Monday after a teacher was arrested on suspicion of molesting dozens of very young children.

The 27-year-old suspect in the Amsterdam case worked as a substitute teacher for at least two preschools in the city and also offered baby-sitting services online in what is feared to be one of the worst cases of sexual abuse in the Netherlands, the city's mayor said at a late-night press conference Sunday.

Eberhard van der Laan said more than 50 parents had been informed that the suspect arrested last week after a tip from U.S. authorities has either confessed to abusing their children, or was thought to have done so.

"This is about a serious suspicion of grave abuse by a man who was arrested Tuesday and has been held since then," Van der Laan said at a news conference with the city's police commissioner and chief prosecutor.

"I see it as my most important job to inform parents as well as I possibly can," he added.

Joannes Thuy, a spokesman for European law enforcement cooperation agency Eurojust, declined comment on whether the tip-off was linked to an ongoing international investigation into the sexual abuse of minors and the production and distribution of child abuse images.

The agency said in an email Monday that a worldwide pedophile network has been uncovered as a result of the efforts of the countries involved, offenders have been arrested and numerous victims have been rescued.

Eurojust said two separate news conferences are planned in Los Angeles, California, and The Hague, Netherlands, this week to announce developments in the investigation which has been running since 2008.


The suspect in the Amsterdam case was arrested Dec. 7 after a Dutch police television program aired what it said was an image of an unidentified victim of child pornography.

U.S. authorities seized the image in a separate investigation and told their Dutch counterparts it was made in the Netherlands, chief prosecutor Herman Bolhaar said.

The victim's parents identified their child from the television image and called police, leading to the suspect's arrest the same night, Bolhaar said.

The man's computers containing child pornography were seized and he has since confessed to dozens of sex crimes allegedly committed over the past year and a half, Bolhaar said.

The victims were boys and girls under four years old, he added.

Amsterdam police spokesman Rob van der Veen said Monday police were still seeking more witnesses and information in the ongoing investigation, with more arrests possible.

Mayor Van der Laan urged media not to publish photographs of the children possibly affected, and to be reserved in contacting their parents.

Police identified the suspect as a Dutch citizen originally from Riga, Latvia, and also published his photo — an unusual step, as privacy laws usually prevent publication of photographs of suspects in the Netherlands.

Van der Laan said that the photo had been released in part to reassure the thousands of parents in Amsterdam whose children were not affected.

"At the same time we want to alert others that it indeed was their babysitter," he said.

Bolhaar noted the suspect was a specialist in encryption and his computers had sophisticated protection.

A candle was left Sunday night on the steps of one of the affected day care centers. An attached note bore the single word: "terrible."


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/12/13/amsterdam-says-preschool-pedophile-arrested/#ixzz180Fl2Wx0


This is the guy:

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ad.nl%2Fad%2Fnl%2F3322%2FMisbruik-in-Amsterdamse-creches%2Farticle%2Fdetail%2F551671%2F2010%2F12%2F13%2FRobert-M-wacht-lange-straf.dhtml&sl=nl&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8 (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ad.nl%2Fad%2Fnl%2F3322%2FMisbruik-in-Amsterdamse-creches%2Farticle%2Fdetail%2F551671%2F2010%2F12%2F13%2FRobert-M-wacht-lange-straf.dhtml&sl=nl&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8)

(http://www.ad.nl/static/FOTO/pe/7/12/13/media_xl_276058.jpg?20101213151702)


I will bet money they are only making a show of this because the US contacted them.  They couldn't even find the guy until he was on TV and HAD to find him.  We all know that society favors men....they are much more important than children.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Even if he is arrested, he won't serve any time.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Buckeye on December 13, 2010, 05:46:50 PM
Translated comments from a Dutch site about Robert M (the pedophile):

Dutch to English translation
Robert M.: Did no one writing on the wall?

Exactly. Adult sober mind, stripped of all modern imposed tolerance and non-discrimination legislation, says when it comes to young children that you would be stupid for a young male immigrant Note here that a marriage joined with a male partner, with such shows raising children as a "profession" and often unsupervised.

This is so unspeakably harsh:

The son of the woman came home in August 2008 with the story that he and a boyfriend of 2.5 years old that day by M. were abused. The boy said he and his friend had to undress themselves. They were M. parts sit in each other's thinking, says AT5.

M. on the particular day only for the group stood and held the boy under his own clothes. But he encouraged the two.

Fantasy
The director of the nursery was the story as fantasy. Children under four would come up a lot, according to him. In an interview, where Robert M. was present, took the director even to his employee. "He could work through the stories and could do no more night of sleep over the accusations."

Unreliable
Even the police do not believe the story, says the mother. "We were told that they could do nothing with the declaration," the woman says. "Because these young children are unreliable."

"For Robert, the way it turned out that we were not taken seriously," says the woman.

Source and © The Guardian

Parents and police / justice everywhere mi would be well advised to include the directors of childcare once piece by piece under a microscope to explain. And in some cases such as this with the director from 2008 to redundancies. I repeat: a staff with such a background, take precaution not in such an environment. All non-discrimination law despite fact.

Posted by: Mieke: Exactly. Fasting adult mind | 12/13/2010 at 09:51 AM

http://misdaadjournalist.web-log.nl/misdaadjournalist/2010/12/maandag-13-december-robert-m-zag-niemand-de-tekens-aan-de-wand-.html#comments


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Leroy on December 13, 2010, 07:07:16 PM
I read over at RU that this was replayed again tonight on MSNBC:

http://television.aol.com/show/inside-the-mind-of-joran-van-der-sloot/11941050/main

Inside the Mind of Joran van der Sloot
Main

New
December 12, 2010
MSNBC 10:00 PM

Inside the mind of Joran van der Sloot, the prime suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and the murder of Stephany Flores Ramirez.


I caught the last 15 minutes or so last night....I was bummed that I missed it.  Looked to see when its on again and here's what I get  ::MonkeyMad:: 

All Upcoming Times for 'Inside the Mind of Joran van der Sloot'
Show me:  All Upcoming Episodes  New Episodes
We're sorry, there are no national broadcasts of this TV show in the next two weeks.

http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/tv/inside-the-mind-of-joran-van-der-sloot/EP01352497

However, I did catch Taken: The Elizabeth Smart Story which was on right after that....if you haven't seen this yet its very good....keeps hope alive for those that are still missing.  Its playing again Sunday at 8pm if you are intersted. 



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 14, 2010, 03:38:38 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-2.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 14, 2010, 09:55:18 AM
TM posted another source of this, yesterday.

http://www.bostonherald.com/business/general/view.bg?articleid=1302843&format=text

Valero to restart its Aruba refinery

By Associated Press  |   Monday, December 13, 2010  |  http://www.bostonherald.com  |  Business & Markets
ORANJESTAD, Aruba — Valero Energy Corp. says it is restarting its Aruba refinery, which has been idle for a year and a half.

The San Antonio, Texas-based company shut its Aruba refinery in July 2009 as falling prices for its refined products made the plant less profitable. The refinery had a capacity of about 275,000 barrels a day.

Valero’s executive vice president Kim Bowers said in a Monday statement that the refinery "will soon be in operation." The restart process will begin within days and all refinery units are expected to be operating by the end of January.

Aruba and Valero have also signed a memorandum of understanding regarding the delivery of a liquefied natural gas to the Caribbean island, which will help reduce utility costs.

Article URL: http://www.bostonherald.com/business/general/view.bg?articleid=1302843



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Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 14, 2010, 10:01:43 AM
Valero's Aruba refinery to become fully operational in January
Valero Energy intends to reopen its 235,000-barrel-per-day refinery in Aruba within days and expects it to be at peak operation by January's end. "The restart was supported in part by the settlement agreement reached with the government of Aruba and approved by the parliament of Aruba last May," the company said. Valero has spent more than $90 million to improve the refinery.

Reuters | 12/13 

This story published in API SmartBrief on 12/14/2010 

http://www.smartbrief.com/news/api/storyDetails.jsp?issueid=3BB443ED-6FC2-4A10-83D4-A1366798A33A&copyid=F419EF7A-CD59-429B-9CAC-F055AE148753&brief=api&sb_code=rss&&campaign=rss





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Post by: texasmom on December 14, 2010, 10:51:26 AM
http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=684

Champagne Life by Funkateer @ Confession, December 10

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/12102010_SteveCroes_Confessions2.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/12102010_SteveCroes_Confessions.jpg)


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Post by: klaasend on December 14, 2010, 11:08:45 AM
Looks like DJ Diablo punched a wall?  His knuckles tell the story.


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Post by: texasmom on December 14, 2010, 12:12:50 PM
Looks like DJ Diablo punched a wall?  His knuckles tell the story.

And he's still got that nasty wart!  :smt104



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Post by: texasmom on December 14, 2010, 12:23:16 PM
http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/25380-exclusivo-entrevista-cu-alex-matthew-for-di-kia.html

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1...images.stories.news.2010.december.dec14.matthewexclusivo.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

come across exclusivo: interview cu alex matthew for of kia

tuesday, 14 december 2010 12:57

24ora.com y itv canal 49 owing to succeed one interview exclusivo cu alex matthew cu at the momentonan here is sit in kia. alex matthew is close debi cu the is wordo acusa of traficacion of person (mensenhadel} in the caso of foxylady. apparently the do not ricibiendo one trato fair for his caso neither niether his self person because; being human in kia. click read more for listen the interview. come across


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Post by: klaasend on December 14, 2010, 12:45:25 PM
I agree with the AP, one of my most favorite all time photos:


http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.latercera.com%2Fmultimedia%2Fgaleria%2F2010%2F12%2F683-28023-7-las-mejores-fotos-del-ano-segun-agencia-ap.shtml&sl=es&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8 (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.latercera.com%2Fmultimedia%2Fgaleria%2F2010%2F12%2F683-28023-7-las-mejores-fotos-del-ano-segun-agencia-ap.shtml&sl=es&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/JoranArrestBestPhoto.jpg)


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Post by: Blonde on December 14, 2010, 12:56:46 PM
I agree with the AP, one of my most favorite all time photos:


http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.latercera.com%2Fmultimedia%2Fgaleria%2F2010%2F12%2F683-28023-7-las-mejores-fotos-del-ano-segun-agencia-ap.shtml&sl=es&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8 (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.latercera.com%2Fmultimedia%2Fgaleria%2F2010%2F12%2F683-28023-7-las-mejores-fotos-del-ano-segun-agencia-ap.shtml&sl=es&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/JoranArrestBestPhoto.jpg)


YES he has that" I JUST SHIT MYSELF" look on his face ::MonkeyDevil::


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Post by: texasmom on December 14, 2010, 01:03:23 PM
http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=2

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Case%20Related%20Misc/12132010_Bondia_pg11a-1-1.jpg)


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Post by: texasmom on December 14, 2010, 01:08:51 PM
I agree with the AP, one of my most favorite all time photos:


http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.latercera.com%2Fmultimedia%2Fgaleria%2F2010%2F12%2F683-28023-7-las-mejores-fotos-del-ano-segun-agencia-ap.shtml&sl=es&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8 (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.latercera.com%2Fmultimedia%2Fgaleria%2F2010%2F12%2F683-28023-7-las-mejores-fotos-del-ano-segun-agencia-ap.shtml&sl=es&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/JoranArrestBestPhoto.jpg)


YES he has that" I JUST SHIT MYSELF" look on his face ::MonkeyDevil::

I think it was more than a "look", it was a feeling...   ::piggy:: ::MonkeyDevil:: 


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Post by: texasmom on December 14, 2010, 01:10:50 PM
And the guy next to him was trying to hold his breath.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


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Post by: texasmom on December 14, 2010, 01:26:30 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_82295.php

Google translation:

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Dutch Gasunie interested in gas Aruba

December 14, 2010, 24:41 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - The Dutch Gasunie is interested in participation in the supply of liquefied gas to Valero and water and energy company WEB. It said Prime Minister Mike Eman (AVP) during yesterday's signing of the Memorandum of Understanding between the Government and Valero oil refinery to supply liquefied gas to the refinery and utility WEB.

Both Valero and WEB switching to liquefied gas as fuel. For Valero should make for a stronger profit margin. WEB for the transition to ensure a cost reduction of 15 to 20 percent. Valero Aruba and buy at least along a ship liquefied gas will be transported to the island. In addition, we will study a gas pipeline between Venezuela oil company PDVSA and Aruba can be constructed. This was already an agreement in July with the Venezuelan Foreign Minister, Nicolás Maduro, in the presence of the former Dutch Foreign Minister Maxime Verhagen (CDA).
The Prime Minister gave during the press conference not with which of the two projects involved the Dutch Gasunie will. It is clear that the prime minister was pleased with the interest of the company. "Partners such as Valero and the Dutch Gasunie guarantee us the synergy we seek for our country", as he said. The Dutch Gasunie of the Dutch gas transport by an extensive gas network in the Netherlands and northern Germany. It is 100 percent owned by the Dutch State and owns and manages one of the largest pipeline networks in Europe.


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Post by: texasmom on December 14, 2010, 01:36:17 PM
http://www.gasunie.nl/




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Post by: texasmom on December 14, 2010, 01:41:00 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_82293.php

Google translation:

Joran Time-crime story of the year

December 14, 2010, 12:39 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - The story of the arrest of Joran van der Sloot (23) on suspicion of murdering the 21-year-old Peruvian Stephany Flores is the crime story of the year, according to the U.S. Time Magazine.

Each year, the influential newsmagazine lists of important events and news from the last twelve months. The story of Joran van der Sloot, prime suspect in the disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway in 2005 on our island, which is currently in Peru on remand on suspicion of the murder of Flores, is number one in the top 10 crime stories of the magazine. , Entitled "Curtains for Joran van der Sloot? Time writes about the arrest of Joran in May this year in Peru. They summarize the Holloway case together again and talk about "a mysterious saga" that has come to an end. Then the paper describes the events leading to the murder of Flores, the escape attempt and his eventual arrest of Joran.


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Post by: wreck on December 14, 2010, 01:44:33 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_82293.php

Google translation:

Joran Time-crime story of the year

December 14, 2010, 12:39 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - The story of the arrest of Joran van der Sloot (23) on suspicion of murdering the 21-year-old Peruvian Stephany Flores is the crime story of the year, according to the U.S. Time Magazine.

Each year, the influential newsmagazine lists of important events and news from the last twelve months. The story of Joran van der Sloot, prime suspect in the disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway in 2005 on our island, which is currently in Peru on remand on suspicion of the murder of Flores, is number one in the top 10 crime stories of the magazine. , Entitled "Curtains for Joran van der Sloot? Time writes about the arrest of Joran in May this year in Peru. They summarize the Holloway case together again and talk about "a mysterious saga" that has come to an end. Then the paper describes the events leading to the murder of Flores, the escape attempt and his eventual arrest of Joran.

 ::MonkeyGavel::


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Post by: texasmom on December 14, 2010, 01:45:25 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_82291.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

No action against Valero

December 14, 2010, 12:37 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Marine Department is taking no action against Valero refinery for not informing the public during the oil leak on Sunday. The management team wants a good relationship between the government and not blur Valero said manager Sonny Ho at Daily Herald. "This is also a human error."

Yet Ho, currently on his own management team of Department of Shipping is not happy that he, like Nico Arts Acting Director of the Disaster Management Bureau, through the newspaper had to learn of the accident. It - it turns out now - came ten barrels á 159 liters in the sea. "That can not, and have also sent a letter to those responsible." Hereby called Richard Simon Ho, manager of the Marine Department of Valero and coordinator of the sweep. Simon was still on vacation Sunday. Ho admits that this can not justify that the Coast Guard, the Emergency Management Office and Executive Shipping not warned. "But I do not want big fuss about it." Legal action will not be included. Ho: "This is a human error and not the slick spread further into the sea. They have now with the spraying of chemicals also cleaned the whole thing. "Was there have been a major disaster, the Marine Department was the only option to start a lawsuit. Agreed sanctions from the Department of Shipping, including fines, is certainly no question. The government in accordance with the Regulation Hinder a fine, but these are not high. Criminal sanctions are only possible if the pollution is the health of people affected directly provable.

Valero director Ray Buckley also responded to the accident that after the transfer of oil from a tanker to a storage tank a large quantity of oil in waters adjacent to the refinery Reef Berth 1 ended. He points out that Valero is indeed the authorities immediately notified and, depending on their decision awaits Valero off a penalty. The refinery is insured against such incidents. Buckley does not know exactly who within the company responsible for the leak.


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Post by: texasmom on December 14, 2010, 02:59:16 PM
http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/press-review-tuesday-14-december-2010

Press Review Tuesday 14 December 2010

Published on : 14 December 2010 - 2:29pm | By Nicola Chadwick (photo: RNW)

More about: arts and culture ceramics child abuse crèches Dutch politics Dutch Press Review Duthc foreign policy Freedom Party fuel guarantees Geert Wilders Iran KLM paedophiles Zahra Bahrami

Amsterdam's child sex abuse case is still dominating all the papers today.

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Sex abuse scandal still dominates papers
The child sex abuse case in Amsterdam is still dominating the papers today. De Volkskrant and Trouw focus on the role of men in childcare after it emerged at the weekend that a child care worker abused dozens of children at two or more crèches. At the moment, only 1.5 to 3 percent of staff in crèches are men. There have been calls for more men in childcare because of the importance of male role models for boys. De Volkskrant writes that the call for better screening is louder than the call to keep men out of childcare. Trouw suggests men should be more rigorously screened than women.

AD comes with more revelations about the 27-year-old crèche worker Robert M. (surnames withheld for legal reasons). His ten-year older husband Richard O. ran a paedophile site called "Boyhood Magazine". Apparently the couple had tried to adopt a child. The child protection agency, however, rejected their request. The paper says that the agency has declined to say whether paedophilia played a role in this decision. Robert M. had even started proceedings to set up his own crèche after leaving his job and failing to find work elsewhere. In job interviews, he called himself a "baby whisperer". A third man, a former colleague, has also been arrested on suspicion of abuse via the internet.

Even nrc.next which usually avoids running the same stories as the rest of the press leads with the extensive police investigation into the child sex abuse case. The abuse came to light via the FBI when child pornography was traced to the Netherlands on the basis of the clothing of a 2-year-old. Robert M.'s computer was so well secured that police need days to gain access to it. The paper quotes a child psychologist "this case is really big". Around 500 parents attended a third meeting organised by the city council on Monday evening. One of the main questions in people's minds must have been why sex abuse allegations by parents against the man made in 2008 were not taken more seriously.

De Telegraaf reports the reaction of Dutch paedophile organisation "Martijn"- that not so long ago tried to set up a political party in the Netherlands - it wonders what all the fuss is about. The paper on the other hand has dubbed Robert M., who was born in Latvia, the Monster of Riga.

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Post by: SuzieQ on December 14, 2010, 03:33:10 PM
Fake but funny

http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s3i88217

Van der Sloot Tweets Fans from Peru Jail Cell: "I guess I won't be home for Christmas!"


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Post by: texasmom on December 14, 2010, 03:44:22 PM
http://www.rnw.nl/english/bulletin/joran-times-top-criminal

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Wonder what they're saying in those clips from John van den Heuval's interview with the monster and the monster mother...and what was the purpose of those clips?

An attempt to gain sympathy for Joran?....Anita?
 ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


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Post by: texasmom on December 14, 2010, 03:46:09 PM
It just seemed rather odd to me to include a video of them both speaking in Dutch on the same page with the ENGLISH article.


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Post by: texasmom on December 14, 2010, 03:48:54 PM
Fake but funny

http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s3i88217

Van der Sloot Tweets Fans from Peru Jail Cell: "I guess I won't be home for Christmas!"

 ::snowmanlaugh:: ::ElfMonkey::


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Post by: Tamikosmom on December 14, 2010, 04:36:50 PM
Julia Renfro - Renee Gielen - Hearts of Stone

Lexy Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 5:44 pm

NATALEE HOLLOWAY THE UNREVEALED TIME LINES


Julia Renfro:- She asked the world to hit Aruba in the pockets, she asked the world not to travel to Aruba... She said Aruba was "seedy", dangerous and corrupt for the world to hear. She tried to steal the food off the Aruban families' tables, the books from the Aruban schools, 40% of the Police budget and millions of dollars were spent looking for her daughter, yet Beth signed a release waiver in Alabama releasing the travel agent from responsibility if something were to happen to her. The truth is, Beth sent her minor child to a foreign country to drink and co-ed party unsupervised. She signed the Release, she let her go, she is responsible. Don't give her a voice unless she is there to apologize to the good people of Aruba for the damage she did to this island.

Renee Gielen:- I do not only agree with Julia, but there is much more.

http://refugeesunleashed.net/post-1025030.html



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Post by: Tamikosmom on December 14, 2010, 05:26:44 PM
DAVE HOLLOWAY

A Father's First Impression

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 9:
  In fact, he (Jacobs) was so confident that she was just partying it up or on drugs that he told us this particular bar would be the best place to find her. However, he did warn us to watch our drinks very carefully, adding that sometimes people put drugs into them.

Page 10:  While customers must pass by a bouncer at the door, there was no indication that he was stopping anyone from entering. The bar was packed with teenagers doing Jell-O shots and sleazy-looking island boys preying on the beautiful young female tourist ...

I did not want to stay inside, so we hung out around the street corners. In less than two hours, we probably experienced at least ten to fifteen offers from various drug dealers who wanted us to buy from them.

Page 16:  During our daylight searches throughout the island, our group came across many abandoned houses where drug addicts had left razors and other drug paraphernalia. Some were filled with foul smelling odors, feces, urine, cardboard boxes they used as blankets or beds, and general trash. One of those houses was located right next to a fine restaurant near the hotel area and a McDonald’s ...

Several times, people came into the hotel to meet with other locals and an apparent drug deal was taking place. The person would come in to scope out the area prior to doing the deal.


I Can No Longer Sit On The Fence

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 194
:  On November 8, 2005, Alabama Governor Bob Rile held a televised press conference with Beth and Jug Twitty at his side during which he called for a travel boycott of Aruba.  He also urged all fifty states to back him in the boycott, stating, "Until their lack of law enforcement practices can be evalutation, and until they offer some resolution in the Natalee's case, tourists are not safe in Aruba or any Dutch Territories."

Page 195:  While I still had mixed feelings about a boycott, I stood strong in supporting my government in any decisions they made.  The people of Aruba have elected their officials, and their officials have spoken.  We elect our officials, and they have decided what is necessary for the people.

Page 196:  I can no longer sit on the fence on this issue.  It has not been an easy decision for me to make.  But I need to know what happened to my daughter, and I do believe that a boycott may be the only way we will get anybody over there to talk to us or to turn in the people who are reponsible for her disappearance.

Considering all that had transpired, I changed my position.  In early December 2005, I called Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour's office to ask that he join Alabama Governor Bob Riley and Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee in the travel boycott of Aruba.  Since that time, Georgia Governor Sonny Purdue has also come on board in support of the boycott.  However, I had waitied over a month to hear back from Governor Barbour when he made an announcement that he will not join in on the boycott.  I am surprised that he never responded to me, and I am truly disappointed that he does not feel a boycott is warranted.


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Post by: Tamikosmom on December 14, 2010, 05:47:09 PM
In a nutshell Dave and Beth's respective books provide a great foundational knowledge to build on for further research in regards to the Natalee Holloway story.  Natalee's parents share with readers their thoughts regarding the Aruban investigation as well as their experiences on the Island following the disappearance of their daughter.

++++++

ARUBA: THE TRAGIC UNTOLD STORY OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY AND CORRUPTION IN PARADISE
By Dave Holloway


Publisher: Thomas Nelson Publishers-Business (Mar 15 2006)
Language: English
ISBN-10: 1595550631
ISBN-13: 978-1595550637


LOVING NATALEE
A MOTHER'S TESTAMENT OF HOPE AND FAITH
By Beth Holloway


ISBN: 9780061452277
ISBN10: 0061452270
Imprint: HarperOne
On Sale: 10/2/2007


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Post by: texasmom on December 14, 2010, 05:47:57 PM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/25010-dos-pa-tres-keho-mas-contra-docente-pa-inmoralidad-cu-alumno.html

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/12032010_24ora_VickGeerman_teacher.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

two for three complaint more contra docente (against teacher) for inmoralidad cu alumno

saturday, 04 december 2010 00:33

docente (teacher) vick g is deteni again. the conocido docente vick g cu owing to stay deteni some month happen for actonan inmoral cu alumno of scol owing to being let in freedom bek after of some day. esey not nifica cu the investigacion owing to termina. diahuebs the recherche of jzp owing to go back go detene. according the dianan owing to happen owing to enter more complaint of possible intentonan or actonan inmoral cometi contra more younger of edad cu is alumno. seems cu have casonan data of 2007 y 2009. the trip here vick g owing to escoge for stay keto. the have his advocate also cu naturally is consehe.

www.facebook.com

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/VickGeerman_teacher_Facebook.jpg)

http://www.minitecaiceonfire.com/

Prior arrest in September

http://www.24ora.com/corte-mainmenu-29/21867-meneer-di-scol-deteni-pa-inmoralidad.html

sir of scol deteni for inmoralidad

friday, 10 september 2010 09:20

the conocido locutor of radio, dj of miniteca “ice on fire” y docente at one scol basico, esta vick geerman (di 39 aña) is deteni under acusacion of owing to comete one acto inmoral cu one student of scol basico.

update: today morning judge comisario owing to bay of acuerdo cu peticion of fiscal for prolonga the detencion cu one maximo of 8 day more.

the caso here have some week andando end. the victima even owing to talk at radio the time yonder for count ; con the docente owing to dun’e kiss in mouth at scol, etc. mature is cu the departamento of jzp of police owing to conduci one investigacion riguroso y awo owing to dicidi cu, for good of the investigacion, for detene the sospechoso principal. vick geerman is one personalidad of radio, is one man casa, cu child y cu is trahando for skoa dunando lesson at scol basico for of year 2003 end. have to tell cu after cu the alumna owing to count ; his parents, owing to entrega one complaint at scol y directiva of scol owing to dicidi of retira the docente at once. after owing to follow one denuncia oficial at police cu owing to conduci at his detencion now. today vick geerman will wordo present fast judge comisario for dicidi cu if his detencion is stay prolonga or not. come across

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

http://www.google.com/profiles/vickgeerman

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/12032010_VickGeerman_Googleprofile.jpg)


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/VickGeermanGroups.jpg)

http://www.einformante.com/Policial/dj-vic-a-bolbe-keda-deteni-pa-inmoralidad-cu-menor-di-edad/

Papiamentu translation:

dj vic owing to go back stay deteni for inmoralidad cu younger of edad

(http://www.einformante.com/images/stories/noticia/2010/december/dec2/vic.jpg)


oranjestad-un susto without doubt some for parents cu owing to come notice now, cu they yiunan diminutive y inocente, was at alcance of one pedofiel that during of one acto because; zwarte piet owing to stay deteni. is deal here of he vic g., that is perfect of scol suspendi already cu some month happen one child muher younger of edad of his class, owing to informa his parents cu perfect vic owing to dune one kiss in his mouth. past owing to stay deteni for her delito ey but owing to recupera his freedom but for of the day ey come fast, more parent owing to being confronta for they yiunan, cu perfect vic will owing to touch cu they, haciendo his self culpabel at actonan of inmoralidad. for polisnan succeed his detencion they have to owing to acudi at several sitio publico already cu the sospechoso was disfraza the day ey because; zwarte piet till cu at last owing to come succeed detene the sosechoso, still in his disfraz of zwarte piet y while cu sinterklaas owing to return spain day bieuw, the sospechoso owing to stay deteni till hour cu his caso hudicial come fast. ministerio publico owing to confirma the hechonan here.


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Post by: texasmom on December 14, 2010, 06:08:54 PM
http://www.einformante.com/Local/negligencia-posibel-causa-cu-hoben-di-16-ana-a-fayece-di-dengue/

Papiamentu translation:

negligencia possible cause cu young of 16 year owing to fayece of dengue

tuesday, 14 december 2010 11:31 oranjestad – is barely one pair of day behind cu gobierno owing to let trece one doctor experto of venezuela, esta doctor and. chacon cu owing to come give one lectura on tratamento of all cuatro type of dengue. sinembargo barely 5 doctor owing to atende the lectura here. according we can owing to compronde the sintomanan cu the young cu owing to fayece was precisamente thing cu the doctor owing to trece fast, of con is identifica one dengue hemoragico y more important still con for trate. sinembargo hour cu the young here not owing to wordo reconoci cu the was have hemoragia y owing to wordo fill cu likido cu was completamente left caminda have to owing to trate of another as. if owing to follow the lectura of the doctor cu owing to come give the lectura for more medico akinan at aruba perhaps the young today is at life. perhaps we have the tendencia cu the is of venezuela y i owing to study at the netherlands, y or i is of the netherlands. wel at the netherlands not have dengue y we have cu achieve expertonan in we region for come help we cu they experticio. for esey we is believe cu here will can deal of negligencia y esunnan responsible have to wordo cuestiona. can owing to compronde cu the young here owing to abide very much self first cu the la fayece, y this was innecesario y inaceptabel. we can owing to compronde also cu will evalua if will owing to haci one autopsia on the curpa today morning, for determina the cause of dead. also we owing to compronde cu the family owing to stay of entrega complaint. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 14, 2010, 07:53:11 PM
 This is his website with tons of photos of the school kids. 

http://www.minitecaiceonfire.com/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 14, 2010, 07:53:42 PM
http://www.boletinextra.com/index.php/local-news/5184-durante-reglamento-di-cuenta-polis-a-drenta-den-accion-di-biaha-na-savaneta.html

Papiamentu translation:

during reglamento of cuenta police owing to enter in accion of trip at savaneta

tuesday, 14 december 2010 17:59 0 comments tuesday in oranan of marduga owing to despacha several unidad policia at one cas at savaneta caminda have one reglamento of one caso is bayendo for of hand y have arm of candela in game. in one rato patruyanan of san nicolas y santa cruz owing to present caminda here one pickup s-10 a-51816 owing to come at one cas caminda 4 person inside of cual 3 owing to descend cu arm of candela for bay regulation cuenta cu one person at the cas. here the team bijzondere projecten y helicopter y several unidad owing to present at the sitio. in this polisnan owing to succeed detene 2 person y the another dosnan owing to lever roof y core bay in forest. in one investigacion cu the agentenan owing to haci owing to come saca afor cu the person cu live at the adres here will owing to steal more cu 1 pound of marihuana for of the owner of the pickup. in this police owing to detene the sospechoso the.f. of 25 year live at madiki already cu the la haci complete stroia at police y cual do not neither believe esakinan. come across


Guess who was on the scene!    ::MonkeyWink::

(http://www.boletinextra.com/cache/multithumb_thumbs/a3b138d738dc992ebdb3e9b28acb437f.JPG)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 14, 2010, 08:17:22 PM
Same case I just posted about, they shot the guy in the leg and he was bleeding profusely.  I'll be surprised if he survives.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=5629&offId=0

1 hora happen | fecha: 14/12/2010 | horario: 19:45

after of owing to try avenge on thief of drugs in madruga, tuesday night owing to succeed tire at his leg

tuesday night owing to enter informe of tiramento cu person injury at savaneta at the same cas where owing to try regulation cuenta in madruga, at once owing to dirigi several patrol of police ambulance y another oficial trahando on the caso. at arrival of the first patrol owing to constata cu here is deal of the same caso of madruga but already cu the attempt of reglamento of cuenta tuesday madruga owing to abort, tuesday night owing to go back follow cu the reglamento of cuenta here y the trip here if owing to succeed dispara the young at his leg. the agentenan owing to constat cu the victima was sangrando profusamente y owing to solicita presencia of ambulance cu much urgencia. besides the agentenan owing to compronde cu esun cu owing to tire owing to core bay direccion pabao at the veld. mirando this owing to dicidi of ask the yudansa of the helicopter for so help in the buskeda. according informacion cu we owing to succeed ricibi is indica cu here is deal of one person pelon lichtbruin 1 metre 70 of height y was dress cu one flanel blanco or grey y one carson black. polisnan owing to prepara one plan for rondona the area for so try evita the escape of esun cu owing to dispara. we will follow informa.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: SuzieQ on December 14, 2010, 10:11:02 PM
Joran is making a lot of list's this week.

http://worldsbiggestloser.com/joran-van-der-sloot-killer-extortionist-womanizer-liar-and-loser/

Joran Van der Sloot…Killer, Extortionist, Womanizer, Liar and LOSER


 Why he’s a loser:
Let’s Count the ways……

1. Double Murderer (if not full blown serial killer): My condolences to the family of Joran’s two known, bright and beautiful victims… Natalee Holloway and Stephany Tatiana Flores Ramírez.

2. Extortionist: Actually trying (and succeeding) to extort money from his victim’s family in return for information leading to the body of Natalee Holloway. Ran all over Europe requesting money for interviews, even though he proclaimed his innocence.

3. Womanizer: Thinks he’s God’s gift to women.

4. Liar: Changed his stories more times that we can count.

5. Loser: Actually proclaims to be a professional poker player, a restaurateur, and has at least one alias: Murphy Jenkins.

Is he the world’s Biggest Loser?? You tell us!



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 14, 2010, 11:21:17 PM
Joran is making a lot of list's this week.

http://worldsbiggestloser.com/joran-van-der-sloot-killer-extortionist-womanizer-liar-and-loser/

Joran Van der Sloot…Killer, Extortionist, Womanizer, Liar and LOSER


 Why he’s a loser:
Let’s Count the ways……

1. Double Murderer (if not full blown serial killer): My condolences to the family of Joran’s two known, bright and beautiful victims… Natalee Holloway and Stephany Tatiana Flores Ramírez.

2. Extortionist: Actually trying (and succeeding) to extort money from his victim’s family in return for information leading to the body of Natalee Holloway. Ran all over Europe requesting money for interviews, even though he proclaimed his innocence.

3. Womanizer: Thinks he’s God’s gift to women.

4. Liar: Changed his stories more times that we can count.

5. Loser: Actually proclaims to be a professional poker player, a restaurateur, and has at least one alias: Murphy Jenkins.

Is he the world’s Biggest Loser?? You tell us!



 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 15, 2010, 12:10:55 AM
Face to Face with Joran

Beth Holloway


Exerpts:

'I wanted to peel the skin off his face. I'm thinking this is it, this is my one chance and I'll never get this chance again.

'My eyes met his and we were face to face. The only thing I had left in me was just to speak from the heart.'
 
'Tell me what happen.  Let me take her home.'

September, 2010

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 15, 2010, 12:17:21 AM
Face to Face with Joran

Beth Holloway


Exerpts:

'If he thinks I've been pestering him for the past five years, he hasn't seen anything yet.'

'There is more to come … there is more to come.'

September, 2010

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 15, 2010, 12:28:58 AM
Many of the statements in this transcript were associated with an "UNIDENTIFIED" person.  I just watched the show again and made corrections where I could.  I also added a couple of notes of my observations from the show.

http://www.cnnstudentnews.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1012/12/se.02.html

CNN LIVE EVENT/SPECIAL

Natalee Holloway: Lost in Paradise

Aired December 12, 2010 - 22:30   ET


THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

MARTIN SAVIDGE, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): In an instant, she was gone. Vanished, without a trace. Lost in paradise.

FRANCES ELLEN BYRD: We immediately knew something was wrong.

SAVIDGE: The Natalee Holloway mystery, twists, turns, one dead end after another.

JULIA RENFRO: We'd wake up each morning and we hope and pray somebody will solve the case.

SAVIDGE: After five long, agonizing years, a mother still desperate for the answer. What happened to Natalee?

BETH HOLLOWAY: Joran, I won't do anything until I get some information about Natalee.

SAVIDGE (on camera): She could have been anyone's daughter, with a smile that would melt your heart. A high school honor student with dreams of going to med school, celebrating graduation with the trip of a young lifetime, here in Aruba, a tropical paradise that likes to call itself one happy island. It was anything but.

ANDERSON COOPER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: American teen on a Caribbean vacation disappeared.

LARRY KING, HOST, LARRY KING LIVE: 18-year-old Natalee Holloway, a straight "A" student --

TIFFANY BITTNER, ON NANCY GRACE: Natalee Holloway has been missing since Monday --

NANCY GRACE: This little girl, Natalee Holloway went away --

WOLF BLITZER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Missing Alabama teenager who hasn't been seen since Monday.

NANCY GRACE: She vanished.

SAVIDGE: Before all of this, before the mystery, the allegations, the tears, before she vanished, Natalee Holloway was simply a teenager, an 18-year-old growing up in a quiet suburb. She was happy and certainly her mother's daughter.

BETH HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: There wasn't anything that Natalee couldn't come to me and tell me or ask me. Nothing.

NATALEE HOLLOWAY, VICTIM: Just sitting in the back, cruising over to my place.

SAVIDGE: Her mother divorced her father when Natalee was a little girl. When Beth remarried, she moved the family to Mountain Brook, Alabama, a wealthy suburb of Birmingham, a town that knew few strangers.

MAYOR TERRY ODEN, MOUNTAIN BROOK, ALABAMA: So everybody, if you don't know everybody, you know somebody that knows somebody.

SAVIDGE: Growing up, Natalee dedicated herself to pursuing her real passion -- dance.

BETH HOLLOWAY: She began in the eighth grade really becoming focused on getting on a dance team.

SAVIDGE: But her mother, ever concerned, worried only the most popular girls made the team. As a new girl, there was a risk Natalee wouldn't make it. But she was determined. And she made it. But dance wasn't the only outlet for her ambition.

BEAU BARRON, FRIEND: She had a packed schedule and she was in tons of clubs.

SAVIDGE: Earning straight As, she made the National Honor Society, got elected to student council and volunteered with a Community Ministry for Girls. Ultimately, she hoped to make the world a better place.

MARCIA TWITTY, STEP-AUNT: Natalee has this extreme that she will become a doctor, lawyer, whichever one she picks, she will do it and she'll be good at it because she works very, very hard at it.

SAVIDGE: She may have been driven. But Natalee's friends say she also knew how to have a good time.

BARRON: She was a little bit more outgoing than everybody else. She was always the fun one to be around. She was always laughing and having a good time. She was always making jokes and stuff. She will always make you laugh.

SAVIDGE: For all the joking around, Natalee was always on time, a trait that would later trigger warning bells.

MARCIA TWITTY: Natalee was always where she needs to be, always on time.

SAVIDGE: At high school graduation, Natalee seemed in complete control of her destiny. Earning a full scholarship, she was ready to take life's next big step at the University of Alabama.

MARCIA TWITTY: She could do law school, she could do premed. It was just a really good fit for her. Sorority -- she's really looking forward to it. The school has everything Natalee wants.

SAVIDGE: But before heading off to college, Natalee and 124 of her classmates would dive into one last adventure together.

A trip to Aruba, a tradition Mountain Brook seniors, spent the entire year looking forward to.

BARRON: Everyone was going on that trip. All of our good friends and stuff like that. Everybody was just so excited. We couldn't wait to get down there.

SAVIDGE: Natalee's dad, however, was nervous. There were only seven chaperones. And in Aruba, the legal drinking age was 18. But Natalee had always been responsible, and her mother and stepfather thought she had earned it.

JUG TWITTY, FORMER STEPFATHER: This was her reward for working so hard and getting a scholarship to Alabama.

SAVIDGE: A reward that promised a tropical paradise, an island full of fun, adventure and partying, lots of partying, with old friends, and new ones. Like Joran Van Der Sloot, a charming and outgoing young man who called Aruba his home.

Jean Casarez is a correspondent with HLN's "In Session".

JEAN CASAREZ, CORRESPONDENT, "IN SESSION": Joran Van Der Sloot was a young man that came from a very good family, went to a very prestigious school in Aruba.

SAVIDGE: Van Der Sloot seemed to have everything going for him. But he also had a reputation as a party boy with a temper.

Jossy Mansur is the managing editor of the Aruban newspaper, Diario.

(on camera) What do we know about Joran? I mean, on the surface, he was an honor student. He seemed to be a good kid, as you would say, raised by good family. What do we know really about him?

JOSSY MANSUR, MANAGING EDITOR, DIARIO: We know that he had a very serious problem with his anger, with the rage that was within him once he lost control of himself.

SAVIDGE (voice-over): Van Der Sloot's former attorney Joseph Tacopina disputes that assertion saying, "Joran didn't have a documented anger problem," insisting that Van Der Sloot had a really good reputation.

(on camera) Natalee spent the night partying with her friends here at this once popular night spot, "Carlos & Charlie's." She was last seen around 1:00 in the morning getting into a car with Joran Van Der Sloot and two of his friends. She never returned to her hotel.

Coming up, an agonizing mystery in the Caribbean, and a mother's desperate pleas for help.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BETH HOLLOWAY: Natalee, you can reach me on your cell phone. I have it and it's set up for international use now. And I will stay here until I find you.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(END VIDEOTAPE)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

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Those are your headline this hour. PARADISE LOST: THE NATALEE HOLLOWAY STORY continues in a moment. (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SAVIDGE (voice-over): Aruba, a tropical paradise -- sun, sand and fun.

FRANCES ELLEN BYRD: We went out on the beach every day, hung out together.

SAVIDGE: In 2005, this is where 18-year-old Natalee Holloway and more than 100 of her fellow graduates went for one last hoorah.

FRANCES ELLEN BYRD, FRIEND: Our grade is really close and everyone hung out together the entire time.

SAVIDGE: But on the morning of May 30th, the day the group was supposed to leave the island --

BYRD: We immediately knew something was wrong because she was the first one to wake up.

SAVIDGE: The students woke up to find Natalee's packed bags, her passport and money all in her room, but no Natalee.

BYRD: We went straight to the chaperones.

NANCY GRACE, HOST, HLN's "NANCY GRACE": With us tonight, Natalee's mother, Beth Twitty, is with us, her stepdad, Jug Twitty -- *

SAVIDGE: Natalee's parents shared their ordeal with HLN'S "Nancy Grace."

BETH HOLLOWAY: We received the phone call that Natalee had not shown up for the group in time that they were departing for the airport.

NATALEE HOLLOWAY: Hi, friend.

BETH HOLLOWAY: I knew immediately Natalee would never be late for anything. Never.

SAVIDGE: They left immediately for Aruba to search for their daughter.

BETH HOLLOWAY: The first thing that I wanted to do with Eric Williams, the DEA, was to establish Natalee's character so they would see that this is not someone who just decided not to show up.

SAVIDGE: At the time, however, locals were not overly concerned with Natalee's disappearance. Julie Renfro is editor-in-chief of the newspaper "Aruba Today."

JULIE RENFRO, EDITOR-IN-CHIEF, "ARUBA TODAY": She was an adult. So there really wasn't a very --

SAVIDGE: There wasn't a sense of alarm?

RENFRO: No, no. Actually, it happens all the time. People come here on vacation, they have fun. They forget to go home.

SAVIDGE (on camera): In the days after Natalee Holloway disappeared, there was no shortage of people looking for her. Hundreds of tourists gave up a day at the beach to join the search. At one point, thousands of the island's civil servants were given the day off to look. Even a contingent of Dutch marines was brought in to aid the effort.

(voice-over) Within 24 hours of arriving in Aruba, Natalee's parents learned Natalee was last seen in the company of three young men. One of them, 17-year-old Joran Van Der Sloot. Her parents found his address and sprung into action.

JUG TWITTY: We showed up at his house. First he looked at the picture -- and I said, don't say you don't know her because we have eyewitnesses who saw you got in this car with her. And then he goes, yes, I know who she is. He walks over to us and starts talking. And he says he danced with her at "Carlos N' Charlie's," but after we talk a little bit we are asking where she is, "I don't know. I dropped her off."

SAVIDGE: But it wouldn't be until 11 days after that visit that Aruban authorities would detain Joran and his two friends. 21-year- old Deepak Kalpoe and his 18-year-old Satish as suspects.

NADIRA RAMIREZ-KALPOE, MOTHER: I asked him, Satish, are you sure you guys didn't do anything? No, mamma, they don't even talk a word with her. Me and my brother gave them a lift and they came home. They don't know anything else about that.

SAVIDGE: Initially, all three suspects told police they dropped Natalee off at her hotel. But hotel surveillance video quickly proved otherwise.

(on camera) After admitting he lied to police about having dropped Natalee off here at her hotel, 17-year-old Joran Van Der Sloot became their main suspect.

Tell us about Joran.

RENFRO: He was just known to be a big kid at school. He had a lot of girlfriends. He was a good soccer player. He spoke on behalf of Aruba for the United Nations. He was an honor student, a great athlete.

SAVIDGE (voice-over): And also the son of a prominent Aruban attorney.

MANSUR: Both the police and the other authorities were very uncomfortable with the case.

(NOTE FROM TEXASMOM:  Jossy also says here: "I'm very curious to know who's paying for all the lawyers..." (his voice is cut off here and the voice over starts but you can see Jossy is still talking!  I'd love to know what he was saying!)

Jossy Mansur is editor for the Aruban newspaper, Diario.

MANSUR: Suddenly, they were on one side and he was on the other because they were investigating his son.

SAVIDGE: We're about a mile away from the hotel where Natalee Holloway had been staying. And it was on this stretch of beach that Joran Van Der Sloot says that he left Natalee early in the morning, alone.

Joran and the Kalpoe brothers spent their summer in and out of jail. Under interrogation, they changed their story dozens of time. But it didn't get authorities any closer to the truth.

MANSUR: There were many things that they didn't do, small details, big details that they, they closed their attention to.

SAVIDGE (on camera): And this lack of willingness to push hard, you think, is because they were familiar with Joran's father?

MANSUR: I think so, I'm convinced of that.

SAVIDGE: Do you think he used his influence to protect his son?

MANSUR: Sure, because that is his son. He would have gone to any lengths to try to save him. He knew very well what happened.

SAVIDGE: Without more information, a judge released Joran and the Kalpoe brothers on September 3rd, 2005.

BETH HOLLOWAY: The suspects who took my daughter from "Carlos n' Charlie's" on the last night of her senior trip, who are the last to be seen with her alive, are now free.

SAVIDGE: Devastated, Beth left the island days later. Joran headed to college in the Netherlands, and the case went cold.

Then, years later, a murder in Peru revives the Natalee Holloway case. And her mother confronts the man she believes killed her daughter.

BETH HOLLOWAY: Tell me what happened. And let me take her home.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: 92 degrees, no rain.

SAVIDGE (voice-over): It's November 2007, nearly two years gone, nearly two years since Natalee disappeared here in Aruba. And nearly two years of anguish for a family still wondering what happened to her. Suddenly a break in the case. Satish and Deepak Kalpoe and their friend, Joran Van Der Sloot, are arrested yet again.

Jossy Mansur is managing editor of the Aruban newspaper, Diario.

MANSUR: None of them were telling the truth. All three of them know exactly what happened to Natalee, I'm sure of that. Joran knows because he was involved. And the Kalpoe brothers know because he told them. I mean, they were buddies.

SAVIDGE: Van Der Sloot's former attorney Joe Tacopina says Mansur's statement is made out of ignorance, that is not supported by any evidence, whatsoever.

The three young men are believed to be the last to have seen Natalee. And Natalee's parents are hopeful. But after weeks of interrogation, the young men are free once again.

Jean Casarez has followed Van Der Sloot's case extensively for HLN's "In Session".

CASAREZ: They are waiting for evidence. They need evidence. And they're really looking for forensic evidence because they want something to corroborate the witness statements. And when we think about statements, we think about Joran Van Der Sloot.

SAVIDGE: Tom Fuentes headed the FBI's International Task Force early in the investigation.

TOM FUENTES, FORMER FBI ASST. DIRECTOR: He and his friends are arrested and released several times by the Arubans over the course of the next couple of years. At one point, the Dutch authorities also weigh in, but then drop it and release them and the same story comes out that there's a lack of evidence that he did anything to her.

SAVIDGE: Then, in January 2008, Joran tells someone Natalee was dumped at sea. He later denies that story and tells a reporter he sold Natalee to human traffickers for $10,000.

FUENTES: At the time, he's 17 years old. Is he in contact with sex slave traders, let's say, to be involved in that level of organized crime? We don't know.

SAVIDGE (on camera): Again, more denials and a new story. Over the years, Joran Van Der Sloot has changed his story many times about what happened to Natalee Holloway or where her body may be. For instance, he told the Dutch television station he dumped her body in this swamp, but in the end, it turned out to be just more talk.

(voice-over) Van Der Sloot, a young man with a privileged background continues to baffle investigators.

FUENTES: Joran felt throughout that he was kind of untouchable, that they weren't really going to get him. His father was coaching him how to respond and what to say.

SAVIDGE: Joran's father, Paulus, who's a prominent lawyer, on the fast track to becoming a judge, but just last year, he unexpectedly died of a heart attack, leaving Joran on his own.

CASAREZ: His father appeared to be his adviser. Many people believe his father went to his grave knowing exactly what happened to Natalee Holloway.

(PAULUS RUNNING FROM THE PRESS FOOTAGE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why are you running?

SAVIDGE: Authorities seemed to be no closer to solving the mystery. Then, earlier this year, a stunning twist. 21-year-old Stephany Flores is found dead in a Lima, Peru, hotel room. Video surveillance shows a man outside the room where her body was found. Joran Van Der Sloot. Police announce he's their prime suspect.

CASAREZ: The most striking thing to me when I think about Natalee Holloway and Stephany Flores, both of them together, they had one common denominator, it was Joran Van Der Sloot. Stephany Flores was with Joran Van Der Sloot five years to the day that Natalee Holloway was last seen. And that was the last time Stephany Flores is seen.

SAVIDGE: Peruvian police track down Van Der Sloot who fled to Chile the day after the murder.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why you killed her?

SAVIDGE: Under interrogation in Peru, Joran told investigators that he knows the location of Natalee's body. But wouldn't say what happened to her that night. Beth Holloway hears the news and immediately heads to Peru. Van Der Sloot had been e-mailing her in March. The FBI monitored the entire exchange.

FUENTES: His original message for $250,000, I'll tell you what happened to her. And because he's playing on their emotions and saying, I'll give you this if you give me money, basically an extortion.

SAVIDGE: Finally after five long years, Beth Holloway would sit face to face with the man she believes knows what happened to her daughter.

BETH HOLLOWAY: It's too late for Natalee, it's too late for Stephany, it's too late for me, but it's not too late for you, Joran. You can make some choices here, Joran, and you can make the right decision. If it was an accident, tell me. If you don't, I don't know.

JORAN VAN DER SLOOT, SUSPECT: I really have been thinking a lot and just giving me some time to think. I will write you. I owe you at least that. I mean, I've made so many bad decisions and all for the wrong reasons. I hope that you know that I'm very addicted to -- especially to gambling. That's why I've told so many lies.

SAVIDGE: Nothing would come out of that meeting.

Then just last month, a new development promises answers. A human jawbone washes up on the beach in Aruba. But dental records dash the family's hopes again.

TACO STEIN, ARUBAN SOLICITOR GENERAL: Based on the bone that was presented and on the dental records, investigations were done. We can exclude that the bone might have belonged to Natalee Holloway.

SAVIDGE: Yet another dead end. Five years after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, still no answers. And a family is left to agonize over what happened to their daughter.

(NOTE FROM TEXASMOM:  SHOW ENDS WITH A PICTURE OF BETH, HOLDING A PICTURE OF NATALEE; WITH THE ALTO VISTA CHAPEL IN THE BACKGROUND.)

(END VIDEOTAPE)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

THE END


There is also a transcript of the same show from Dec 11th here:
http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1012/11/se.02.html



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 15, 2010, 12:44:00 AM
http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Riveting+details+emerging+high+profile+court+cases/3885400/story.html?tab=PHOT

Riveting details emerging in high-profile court cases
 
 
By Lorraine Passchier, Vancouver Sun November 26, 2010

A handful of high-profile criminal cases, some dating back a decade, are making headlines as court proceedings and fresh leads reveal new information. Here, then, is a look at the cases that have fascinated readers around the globe.

Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Riveting+details+emerging+high+profile+court+cases/3885400/story.html?tab=PHOT#ixzz189kDxPVG

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on December 15, 2010, 09:45:20 AM
Anyone else notice in the photo above with Joran at the gaming table his long sleeve shirt is unbuttoned/unfastened at the wrist and flappy/spread out over the table and his other hand is hidden under the table?  I wonder if he cheats? 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 15, 2010, 09:52:34 AM
Anyone else notice in the photo above with Joran at the gaming table his long sleeve shirt is unbuttoned/unfastened at the wrist and flappy/spread out over the table and his other hand is hidden under the table?  I wonder if he cheats? 

I would bet he does cheat! 

It seems like I remember a discussion about that from a while ago.  I can't remember exactly what it was about... but it seems like he was either using his cellphone or some other device that wasn't usually allowed; and he got into an altercation because someone accused him of cheating. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 15, 2010, 10:31:11 AM
http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/25416-polis-mucho-arma-di-candela-circulando-riba-nos-isla.html

Papiamentu translation:

polis: mucho arm of candela circulando on we island

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_thumbs/b.175.125.16777215.0...images.stories.news.2010.december.dec15.larmonie.jpg)

wednesday, 15 december 2010 08:56

aruba owing to conose one of two caso of tiroteo cu arm of candela in less of 12 hour. "e casonan here is serve because; ehempel for enfatisa the danger of presencia of tanto arm of candela on we isla", so vocero of policial, esta sr. john larmonie owing to enfatisa. "e armanan here can being using mayan not only contra esunnan envolvi in casonan doubtful but also contra hendenan inocente cu is in bisindario or contra family at cas". police owing to informa cu the first caso did take luga last more or less 7or at one cas at savaneta. one sospechoso owing to enter cura of the cas y owing to los tiro on one man of 23 year of edadl of inicial s.a. hour police owing to arrive at the sitio the was sangrando much by of one injury at his knee y cu urgencia owing to transport'e for hospital for tratamento medico. according informacion the sospechoso owing to huy drentando the forest behind veld of ball of san luis. owing to follow one accion of buskeda in bisindario cu helicopter of police y various unidad of police y recherche. recherche have the caso under investigacion. according informacionnan preliminar the caso will have to owing to cuminsa for of marduga where one are of man will was busca the victima provided that cuestion for regulation one want another asunto. the of two caso owing to sosode today morning 5or hour cu he of inicialnan j.i.q naci at aruba of 35 year cu will owing to leave for of one bar at san nicolas hour cu one car owing to happen cu various individual y owing to los tiro on dje. according informacionnan ricibi, the victima owing to ricibi 4 tiro of cual 1 in throat, one in schouder y two in his pianan. past owing to being transporta cu urgencia for centro medico where cu is trahando cune. the caso here also is under investigacion still. cuerpo policial is ask cualkier person cu know algo of the casonan here for calling we tiplijn 11141 y let informacion at form anonimo or take contacto cu keep of police at san nicolas y ask about for recherche. come across



http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=5630&offId=0

48 minuut happen | fecha: 15/12/2010 | horario: 10:07 tironan owing to cay during madruga the trip here owing to throw 4 tiro on one person cu owing to leave for of bar at san nicolas diaranzon madruga owing to enter informe of one caso of tiramento fast of american bar one da have one person throw abao at floor, at once owing to dirigi tanto police because; ambulance at the sitio. at arrival of the patrol owing to come encontra the person abao throw cu some tiro at his curpa y owing to ask presencia of ambulance cu urgencia. investigacion haci at the sitio owing to come comprende cu here is deal of he juan ivan quandt naci at aruba of 35 year cu will owing to leave for of one bar at san nicolas hour cu diripiente one car cu various person inside owing to happen y owing to los several tiro on the victima. at arrival of ambulance at once owing to atende y owing to transporte cu urgencia for hospital.segun informacionnan ricibi the victima will owing to ricibi 4 tiro of cual 1 in throat, one in schouder y two at his pianan. the caso here is bao investigacion still. come across

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/5630/10_1292422202.jpg)


Juan Quandt's Hi5 page:

http://alanbecerra.hi5.com/friend/p32050692--Juan+_quandt--html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 15, 2010, 10:33:40 AM
Anyone else notice in the photo above with Joran at the gaming table his long sleeve shirt is unbuttoned/unfastened at the wrist and flappy/spread out over the table and his other hand is hidden under the table?  I wonder if he cheats? 

I would bet he does cheat! 

It seems like I remember a discussion about that from a while ago.  I can't remember exactly what it was about... but it seems like he was either using his cellphone or some other device that wasn't usually allowed; and he got into an altercation because someone accused him of cheating. 

Wasn't that incident when he was with Jaime, Guido, and/or when Deepak was watching?  Was it in a statement?  Geez....not sure right now.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 15, 2010, 10:57:23 AM
Anyone else notice in the photo above with Joran at the gaming table his long sleeve shirt is unbuttoned/unfastened at the wrist and flappy/spread out over the table and his other hand is hidden under the table?  I wonder if he cheats? 

I would bet he does cheat! 

It seems like I remember a discussion about that from a while ago.  I can't remember exactly what it was about... but it seems like he was either using his cellphone or some other device that wasn't usually allowed; and he got into an altercation because someone accused him of cheating. 

Wasn't that incident when he was with Jaime, Guido, and/or when Deepak was watching?  Was it in a statement?  Geez....not sure right now.

Maybe so, I can't remember for sure either!  ::MonkeyConfused::   :gaah:  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 15, 2010, 11:01:03 AM
Anyone else notice in the photo above with Joran at the gaming table his long sleeve shirt is unbuttoned/unfastened at the wrist and flappy/spread out over the table and his other hand is hidden under the table?  I wonder if he cheats? 

I would bet he does cheat! 

It seems like I remember a discussion about that from a while ago.  I can't remember exactly what it was about... but it seems like he was either using his cellphone or some other device that wasn't usually allowed; and he got into an altercation because someone accused him of cheating. 

Wasn't that incident when he was with Jaime, Guido, and/or when Deepak was watching?  Was it in a statement?  Geez....not sure right now.

Deepak Kalpoe - Suspect Statement - June 13, 2005

At some moment in time Andre had come over to where I was and had greeted me. Andre asked me to come inside. I did go inside. I did not play, but did look at the cards of Joran and Guido.

At some given moment in time a tourist who was sitting at Joran's table got angry. The tourist thought that we were looking at the cards of other players and signaling/deciding for Joran when he should play or not. It lead to a disagreement between Joran and the tourist. The manager of the Radisson Casino came over and everything calmed down.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 15, 2010, 11:01:28 AM
I was emailed this info.  Wonder what happened to Michael Posner?

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/ExcelsiorOwnerAug2010.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 15, 2010, 11:03:39 AM
Anyone else notice in the photo above with Joran at the gaming table his long sleeve shirt is unbuttoned/unfastened at the wrist and flappy/spread out over the table and his other hand is hidden under the table?  I wonder if he cheats? 

I would bet he does cheat! 

It seems like I remember a discussion about that from a while ago.  I can't remember exactly what it was about... but it seems like he was either using his cellphone or some other device that wasn't usually allowed; and he got into an altercation because someone accused him of cheating. 

Wasn't that incident when he was with Jaime, Guido, and/or when Deepak was watching?  Was it in a statement?  Geez....not sure right now.

Maybe so, I can't remember for sure either!  ::MonkeyConfused::   :gaah:  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  I just was reading Jaime's & Andre's statements and it wasn't in them....still not sure. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 15, 2010, 11:05:34 AM
Anyone else notice in the photo above with Joran at the gaming table his long sleeve shirt is unbuttoned/unfastened at the wrist and flappy/spread out over the table and his other hand is hidden under the table?  I wonder if he cheats? 

I would bet he does cheat! 

It seems like I remember a discussion about that from a while ago.  I can't remember exactly what it was about... but it seems like he was either using his cellphone or some other device that wasn't usually allowed; and he got into an altercation because someone accused him of cheating. 

Wasn't that incident when he was with Jaime, Guido, and/or when Deepak was watching?  Was it in a statement?  Geez....not sure right now.

Deepak Kalpoe - Suspect Statement - June 13, 2005

At some moment in time Andre had come over to where I was and had greeted me. Andre asked me to come inside. I did go inside. I did not play, but did look at the cards of Joran and Guido.

At some given moment in time a tourist who was sitting at Joran's table got angry. The tourist thought that we were looking at the cards of other players and signaling/deciding for Joran when he should play or not. It lead to a disagreement between Joran and the tourist. The manager of the Radisson Casino came over and everything calmed down.



Thanks, Janet.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 15, 2010, 11:08:00 AM
http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/25416-polis-mucho-arma-di-candela-circulando-riba-nos-isla.html

Papiamentu translation:

polis: mucho arm of candela circulando on we island

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_thumbs/b.175.125.16777215.0...images.stories.news.2010.december.dec15.larmonie.jpg)

wednesday, 15 december 2010 08:56

aruba owing to conose one of two caso of tiroteo cu arm of candela in less of 12 hour. "e casonan here is serve because; ehempel for enfatisa the danger of presencia of tanto arm of candela on we isla", so vocero of policial, esta sr. john larmonie owing to enfatisa. "e armanan here can being using mayan not only contra esunnan envolvi in casonan doubtful but also contra hendenan inocente cu is in bisindario or contra family at cas". police owing to informa cu the first caso did take luga last more or less 7or at one cas at savaneta. one sospechoso owing to enter cura of the cas y owing to los tiro on one man of 23 year of edadl of inicial s.a. hour police owing to arrive at the sitio the was sangrando much by of one injury at his knee y cu urgencia owing to transport'e for hospital for tratamento medico. according informacion the sospechoso owing to huy drentando the forest behind veld of ball of san luis. owing to follow one accion of buskeda in bisindario cu helicopter of police y various unidad of police y recherche. recherche have the caso under investigacion. according informacionnan preliminar the caso will have to owing to cuminsa for of marduga where one are of man will was busca the victima provided that cuestion for regulation one want another asunto. the of two caso owing to sosode today morning 5or hour cu he of inicialnan j.i.q naci at aruba of 35 year cu will owing to leave for of one bar at san nicolas hour cu one car owing to happen cu various individual y owing to los tiro on dje. according informacionnan ricibi, the victima owing to ricibi 4 tiro of cual 1 in throat, one in schouder y two in his pianan. past owing to being transporta cu urgencia for centro medico where cu is trahando cune. the caso here also is under investigacion still. cuerpo policial is ask cualkier person cu know algo of the casonan here for calling we tiplijn 11141 y let informacion at form anonimo or take contacto cu keep of police at san nicolas y ask about for recherche. come across



http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=5630&offId=0

48 minuut happen | fecha: 15/12/2010 | horario: 10:07 tironan owing to cay during madruga the trip here owing to throw 4 tiro on one person cu owing to leave for of bar at san nicolas diaranzon madruga owing to enter informe of one caso of tiramento fast of american bar one da have one person throw abao at floor, at once owing to dirigi tanto police because; ambulance at the sitio. at arrival of the patrol owing to come encontra the person abao throw cu some tiro at his curpa y owing to ask presencia of ambulance cu urgencia. investigacion haci at the sitio owing to come comprende cu here is deal of he juan ivan quandt naci at aruba of 35 year cu will owing to leave for of one bar at san nicolas hour cu diripiente one car cu various person inside owing to happen y owing to los several tiro on the victima. at arrival of ambulance at once owing to atende y owing to transporte cu urgencia for hospital.segun informacionnan ricibi the victima will owing to ricibi 4 tiro of cual 1 in throat, one in schouder y two at his pianan. the caso here is bao investigacion still. come across

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/5630/10_1292422202.jpg)


Juan Quandt's Hi5 page:

http://alanbecerra.hi5.com/friend/p32050692--Juan+_quandt--html

I don't know if Juan Quandt is connected or not, but this is David Quandt with Renho...there are more pictures of him in some of her photo albums on FB.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8656.msg1243817#msg1243817

http://vibesaruba.smugmug.com/Groups/Kas-Di-Glas-Event/14098319_6qwHG#1038936022_2TQ5k

Kas Di Glas Event

(http://vibesaruba.smugmug.com/Groups/Kas-Di-Glas-Event/DSC0630-640x480/1038936022_2TQ5k-M.jpg)

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/david-quandt/24/b85/591

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 15, 2010, 11:12:13 AM
I was emailed this info.  Wonder what happened to Michael Posner?

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/ExcelsiorOwnerAug2010.jpg)

hmmmm...don't know; that's interesting!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 15, 2010, 11:24:52 AM
I was emailed this info.  Wonder what happened to Michael Posner?

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/ExcelsiorOwnerAug2010.jpg)

hmmmm...don't know; that's interesting!

Preliminary search on Luciano Boccia came up with links to Ft. Lauderdale & Weston, FL....another hmmmmm.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on December 15, 2010, 12:25:52 PM
Egads Renhoe.....rode hard and put away wet...  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 15, 2010, 12:36:47 PM
Joran's friend Sasha Ridpath is one of Juan Quandt's Hi5 friends:

http://alanbecerra.hi5.com/friend/p1033967--Sasha_Ridpath--html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 15, 2010, 12:38:14 PM
Joran's friend Sasha Ridpath is one of Juan Quandt's Hi5 friends:

http://alanbecerra.hi5.com/friend/p1033967--Sasha_Ridpath--html

I noticed that too.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 15, 2010, 12:48:00 PM
 ::MonkeyEek::

http://www.diario.aw/2010/12/casi-1300-caso-di-dengue-registra-te-aworaki/

Papiamentu translation:

casi 1300 caso of dengue registra till aworaki!

publication: diaranson, 15 december 2010.

categoria: general

madam maribel tromp is splica: of cual 274 is confirma!

oranjestad (aan) — in interview cu daily paper, madam maribel tromp, of seccion of epidemiologia of departamento of salud publico, owing to give one view more amplio tocante situation of dengue, for of week 32 (fin of october) till aworaki, where cu they're monitor the situation much more of close. till aworaki have one overall of 274 caso of dengue confirma, y 846 caso clinico “sospechoso”. this is nifica casi 1300 caso registra till aworaki, in one period of 17 week, aproximadamente, esta practicamente three month y mey. this is sobrepasa the cantidad normal, according madam tromp. past owing to splica cu they owing to work one curve endemico, cu is one grafico where can look at cual is the zonanan endemico y epidemico. past owing to acentua cu if for january the situation follow in the direccion here, will have one aumento big of casonan of dengue as aruba the arrive of conoce in pasado.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 15, 2010, 12:52:52 PM
http://www.diario.aw/2010/12/alex-mathew-preocupa-cu-ministerio-publico-y-polis-ta-sconde-prueba/

Papiamentu translation:

alex mathew preocupa cu ministerio publico y police is sconde proof

publication: diaranson, 15 december 2010.

categoria: judicial

cu is at beneficio of mathew y the another sospechosonan

oranjestad(aan): recientemente daily paper owing to ricibi one carta of alex mathew, atravez of his casa liliana. mathew is tell cu after of 4 month close, the his casa liliana y michael levenstone not have one dossier completo of the caso for they can defende they self debidamente. “con they can wait for cu we can defende we self at good as, without have sufficient informacion of locual we is wordo acusa exactly etc”. “e fiscal owing to come cu one acusacion in cual we is wordo acusa of maltrata child muher y past owing to come cu one list of several child muher cu supuestamente we will owing to abusa of nan”. this according mathew that owing to tell in his carta cu the acusacionnan tey, but the is ask about his self where the acusacionnan is. the is ask about his self if enberdad police y fiscal owing to achieve declaracionnan of the child muhernan. past owing to tell also cu on the list the looking at name of child muhernan cu is in contacto cune, cu is tell cu at none instant they owing to give declaracion cu they owing to wordo abusa of dje, because none person owing to abusa of they. “polis y fiscal is try of malinforma corte door of immidiately place name on the list?”. this according mathew that is ask about his self dicon evidencia is wordo scondi for they. “mas still, after of 4 month of detencion in one facilidad cu is bay of level of thing derechonan human is stipula, cu celnan not proteha contra time, ministerio publico is abusa abiertamente of his power, door of mantene we in detencion, more of the maximo of 120 day cu ley is prescribi”. “e fiscal is work his same reglanan, while cu we derecho basico of cuestiona esnan cu is acusa we also is wordo nenga”. “fiscal y huez comisario do not give we one oportunidad fair for we defende we self y also is so cu the declaracionnan cu owing to wordo give at we please, is wordo scondi”. this according mathew, that owing to tell also cu they're wardando aprobacion for all the proceduranan incluyendo tratamento of the caso, wordo graba for prensa local y internacional.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 15, 2010, 12:58:23 PM
douane y recherche owing to descubri red of drugs among aruba y the netherlands

publication: tuesday, 14 december 2010.

categoria: general

container of 20 leg cu drugs descubri

oranjestad (aan): one cargamento enough big of cocaina owing to stay descubri at aruba. here is deal of one cantidad of more cu 60 kilo of cocaina cu was scondi in mueblenan. the drugs here was cla for bay cu barco the netherlands. all carga cu leave for of aruba for the netherlands is worde controla for douane first his the exit. the market of drugs cu is leave for europa do not uno desconoci for her area here. as via plane in trunk, in stomach or stick at curpa, mulanan owing to try leave cu drugs. of another near have one red more big cu also is purbando of leave cu drugs. esey they're hacie door of try mande via carga cu barco. thing cu they owing to forget is on the control cu have of douane. douane is controla at exit of passenger at aeropuerto, but they're controla also in containernan cu is leave for of aruba for europa. owing to base of the control here the cacho owing to become razo diabierna. at one compania local of send carga douane owing to present first cu seya the container. during the control the cacho owing to reaccion on one mobilario cu was have in the container. owing to bay over at haci one control more deep y bingo. owing to come achieve one cantidad big of alrededor 50 kilo of cocaina. douane seems not can let the drugs here bay his destiny. ley do not permiti esey. miembronan of narcotica of cuerpo policial owing to being avisa y they owing to bay busca the drugs. the investigacion is cuminsa now. not have mucho dato of the person cu owing to trece the drugs. in one sofa big the was good empaketa. seems cu is at aruba self all the trabao did take lugar. the cachonan cu douane have is much good entrena for casonan so. if the drugs was have destiny the netherlands nifica cu the owner of the drugs have to live at the netherlands. will not last very for they place hand on dje. is being talk till even cu at aruba past owing to entrega y pay for send the sofa the netherlands. for some week happen all the proceso did take lugar but till now owing to achieve lugar in container for her bay. pesey hour the was cla for bay, is one duty for douane controla first cu the exit y so owing to come descubri the drugs good scondi in tree at the part abao of the sofa. pabien douane cu the good trabao. this is golpi behind golpi cu douane y police is dunando at esnan in low world.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 15, 2010, 12:59:11 PM
http://www.diario.aw/2010/12/douane-y-recherche-a-descubri-red-di-droga-entre-aruba-y-hulanda/

Papiamentu translation:

douane y recherche owing to descubri red of drugs among aruba y the netherlands

publication: tuesday, 14 december 2010.

categoria: general

container of 20 leg cu drugs descubri

oranjestad (aan): one cargamento enough big of cocaina owing to stay descubri at aruba. here is deal of one cantidad of more cu 60 kilo of cocaina cu was scondi in mueblenan. the drugs here was cla for bay cu barco the netherlands. all carga cu leave for of aruba for the netherlands is worde controla for douane first his the exit. the market of drugs cu is leave for europa do not uno desconoci for her area here. as via plane in trunk, in stomach or stick at curpa, mulanan owing to try leave cu drugs. of another near have one red more big cu also is purbando of leave cu drugs. esey they're hacie door of try mande via carga cu barco. thing cu they owing to forget is on the control cu have of douane. douane is controla at exit of passenger at aeropuerto, but they're controla also in containernan cu is leave for of aruba for europa. owing to base of the control here the cacho owing to become razo diabierna. at one compania local of send carga douane owing to present first cu seya the container. during the control the cacho owing to reaccion on one mobilario cu was have in the container. owing to bay over at haci one control more deep y bingo. owing to come achieve one cantidad big of alrededor 50 kilo of cocaina. douane seems not can let the drugs here bay his destiny. ley do not permiti esey. miembronan of narcotica of cuerpo policial owing to being avisa y they owing to bay busca the drugs. the investigacion is cuminsa now. not have mucho dato of the person cu owing to trece the drugs. in one sofa big the was good empaketa. seems cu is at aruba self all the trabao did take lugar. the cachonan cu douane have is much good entrena for casonan so. if the drugs was have destiny the netherlands nifica cu the owner of the drugs have to live at the netherlands. will not last very for they place hand on dje. is being talk till even cu at aruba past owing to entrega y pay for send the sofa the netherlands. for some week happen all the proceso did take lugar but till now owing to achieve lugar in container for her bay. pesey hour the was cla for bay, is one duty for douane controla first cu the exit y so owing to come descubri the drugs good scondi in tree at the part abao of the sofa. pabien douane cu the good trabao. this is golpi behind golpi cu douane y police is dunando at esnan in low world.

edit to add link


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 15, 2010, 01:43:29 PM
HE SHOULD HAVE THOUGHT AGAIN

Jan vander Straaten foolishly believed that Joran van der Sloot's official statements to interrogators would never surface when he lied to Jug Twitty ... the stepfather of Natalee Holloway.  This chief of police should have thought again if he thought even for one minute that the cover up agenda established early on to protect Joran would prevail.  Obviously this man underestimated the resolve of a determined family.  Beth Holloway warned the Aruban Prime Minister if it took 40 years for the truth to prevail ... she promised to be an ongoing force to be reckoned with.

Janet

+++++


Something is Wrong Here

NANCY GRACE
Latest in Search for Natalee Holloway
Aired October 4, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET


JUG TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S STEPFATHER:   I had a meeting with Van Der Straaten, who was the police chief in charge at that time. And I went in and sat down with him and told him and Officer Sanboe (ph), who was going to take over for Van Der Straaten. He was there, too.

You know, I asked a question about, I understand that there was a statement made by Joran, where he talks about what he had done to Natalee and he described in very graphic detail, like, the stitching and embroidery and everything on Natalee`s underwear. And he goes, Oh, no, no, no. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Well, little did he know I had just read the statements where Joran describes that to the "T," you know, two days before. But of course, I didn`t tell him that. But that`s just when I started to think something`s wrong here.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/04/ng.01.html


Joran van der Sloot - Suspect Statement - June 9, 2005

<snipped>

The reporting officers
 
D.D. JACOBS      L.A.G.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=160.0


As Long As I Can

'Scarborough Country' for Oct. 24th
updated 7:06 a.m. PT, Tues., Oct. 25, 2005


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: ... I have told Prime Minister Oduber that I will do this, I will be the voice of Natalee for the next 40 years. And I hope I have that long, because I will do it as long as I can.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9813596




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 15, 2010, 02:25:11 PM
[2007

Others Might Learn

Loving Natalee – Beth Holloway

Page 200:
My child. My beautiful daughter. I can’t save her. It’s too late. Natalee is gone. And second to the great tragedy of losing her is if we fail to learn from what has happened.

I could be any parent in the world. And no parent should ever go through this experience. Natalee could be anyone’s daughter. And in these thoughts a new path is made clear. There is something I can do. Many people reached out to us, and I can now reach back to them. It might be too late to save Natalee, but it’s not too late to save others. And it’s time now to make good on my pledge to stand before high-school and college students, law enforcement professionals, victims’ rights groups, travelers of all ages, and anyone interested in personal safety to share Natalee’s story and our hard lessons, so that others might learn from them.


Conscious Decision to Stay Safe

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 219:
In each city I have the privilege to speak to several high schools, churches, or law enforcement and civic groups.  This translates to thousands of youths and adults.  Delivering this safety mesage is my triumph over devastation.  If gives me great joy and is tremendously rewarding work.  I think that I can bear the pain of losing Natalee if it means that I can prevent another family from going through our tragic experience.  If even just one young person in tens of thousands is saved, then it's well worth it.

I ask young people to make a conscious decision to stay safe.  They have to make the choice.  And I'm not asking them do anything more than I ask myself.  I have to make difficult choices every day.  I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me.  It's not easy.  I ask God to help me.  And I know it's not easy for young people to think about choosing not to get into a situation in which they can't defend themselves.  But we all have to make hard choices.  Every day.


[2010

Making a Difference

Talking To Beth Holloway Five Years After Natalee's Disappearance
05/30/10 1:45 pm


She is now focused on her new life's work which was born out of the death of her daughter.

"Tragedy creates an opportunity to make a difference."

Making A Difference
 
Beth tells the story of Natalee's disappearance to high school and college students round the nation as part of her work with the Natalee Holloway Resource Center,which launches in D.C. on June 8

"The Natalee Holloway Resource Center is focusing on education and crime prevention, and in the event that a loved one goes missing we have the resources and the contacts to assist the families."
 
http://www.abc3340.com/news/stories/0510/741129.html


Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC
 
Mayday 360
http://www.mayday360.com/default.aspx



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Post by: Tamikosmom on December 15, 2010, 02:55:32 PM
2010

I Stay Focused

Natalee Holloway: Lost in Paradise
TLC – 2010-01-17


Beth Holloway:  What I can do is hopefully share some life lessons and prevent this tragedy from happening to another family.  So I stay focused on what I can do rather than what I can’t.  I can’t get justice for Natalee.

http://tlc.discovery.com/tv-schedules/special.html?paid=2.1213.56293


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Post by: Tamikosmom on December 15, 2010, 02:57:31 PM
Hi 2NJSons_Mom!  I see ya in the rafters.

Life outside the computer room beckons this afternoon.

I hope you are having a good day.

Janet
11:55 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Buckeye on December 15, 2010, 05:22:46 PM
::MonkeyEek::

http://www.diario.aw/2010/12/casi-1300-caso-di-dengue-registra-te-aworaki/

Papiamentu translation:

casi 1300 caso of dengue registra till aworaki!

publication: diaranson, 15 december 2010.

categoria: general

madam maribel tromp is splica: of cual 274 is confirma!

oranjestad (aan) — in interview cu daily paper, madam maribel tromp, of seccion of epidemiologia of departamento of salud publico, owing to give one view more amplio tocante situation of dengue, for of week 32 (fin of october) till aworaki, where cu they're monitor the situation much more of close. till aworaki have one overall of 274 caso of dengue confirma, y 846 caso clinico “sospechoso”. this is nifica casi 1300 caso registra till aworaki, in one period of 17 week, aproximadamente, esta practicamente three month y mey. this is sobrepasa the cantidad normal, according madam tromp. past owing to splica cu they owing to work one curve endemico, cu is one grafico where can look at cual is the zonanan endemico y epidemico. past owing to acentua cu if for january the situation follow in the direccion here, will have one aumento big of casonan of dengue as aruba the arrive of conoce in pasado.

1300 possible cases.  This is an epidemic on that small island.  The State department should put out a warning for travelers....and list emergency treatment...because I'm sure they won't get treated correctly, if at all on the island.  It would be bad for business.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Buckeye on December 15, 2010, 05:25:14 PM
douane y recherche owing to descubri red of drugs among aruba y the netherlands

publication: tuesday, 14 december 2010.

categoria: general

container of 20 leg cu drugs descubri

oranjestad (aan): one cargamento enough big of cocaina owing to stay descubri at aruba. here is deal of one cantidad of more cu 60 kilo of cocaina cu was scondi in mueblenan. the drugs here was cla for bay cu barco the netherlands. all carga cu leave for of aruba for the netherlands is worde controla for douane first his the exit. the market of drugs cu is leave for europa do not uno desconoci for her area here. as via plane in trunk, in stomach or stick at curpa, mulanan owing to try leave cu drugs. of another near have one red more big cu also is purbando of leave cu drugs. esey they're hacie door of try mande via carga cu barco. thing cu they owing to forget is on the control cu have of douane. douane is controla at exit of passenger at aeropuerto, but they're controla also in containernan cu is leave for of aruba for europa. owing to base of the control here the cacho owing to become razo diabierna. at one compania local of send carga douane owing to present first cu seya the container. during the control the cacho owing to reaccion on one mobilario cu was have in the container. owing to bay over at haci one control more deep y bingo. owing to come achieve one cantidad big of alrededor 50 kilo of cocaina. douane seems not can let the drugs here bay his destiny. ley do not permiti esey. miembronan of narcotica of cuerpo policial owing to being avisa y they owing to bay busca the drugs. the investigacion is cuminsa now. not have mucho dato of the person cu owing to trece the drugs. in one sofa big the was good empaketa. seems cu is at aruba self all the trabao did take lugar. the cachonan cu douane have is much good entrena for casonan so. if the drugs was have destiny the netherlands nifica cu the owner of the drugs have to live at the netherlands. will not last very for they place hand on dje. is being talk till even cu at aruba past owing to entrega y pay for send the sofa the netherlands. for some week happen all the proceso did take lugar but till now owing to achieve lugar in container for her bay. pesey hour the was cla for bay, is one duty for douane controla first cu the exit y so owing to come descubri the drugs good scondi in tree at the part abao of the sofa. pabien douane cu the good trabao. this is golpi behind golpi cu douane y police is dunando at esnan in low world.

I don't know what this says, but I did read the word "bingo" and that would explain Joran being at the bingo tournament....probably making sure the shipment came in.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Buckeye on December 15, 2010, 05:28:18 PM
I was emailed this info.  Wonder what happened to Michael Posner?

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/ExcelsiorOwnerAug2010.jpg)

hmmmm...don't know; that's interesting!

Preliminary search on Luciano Boccia came up with links to Ft. Lauderdale & Weston, FL....another hmmmmm.


Can't capture it, but if you search this page for Boccia, I think it says he was one of the hitmen, not prosecuted:

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Ffaidadiscampia.blogspot.com%2F2007%2F05%2Fle-violenze-dei-faiano-ai-quartieri.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Buckeye on December 15, 2010, 05:55:05 PM
for zed at RU

zed asked:  Do you know the reason why Joran didn't take six months to upgrade his qualifications so he could attend a university?


zed

The only reason Joran went to that school was because it was the only one that would accept him, in time for Paulus/Antonio to present to the judge, that Joran needed to be released to "get on with his life".  No school and he might have sat in jail longer. It was part of the agreement for his release.


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Post by: Buckeye on December 15, 2010, 06:01:54 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=py4RmuKlx3o&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/v/py4RmuKlx3o?fs=1&amp;hl=en_US


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Buckeye on December 15, 2010, 06:19:07 PM
Klaas

Did you do that?  I have no idea how.... ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 15, 2010, 06:47:36 PM
Klaas

Did you do that?  I have no idea how.... ::MonkeyEek::

Yes I did  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Buckeye on December 15, 2010, 07:00:14 PM
Klaas

Did you do that?  I have no idea how.... ::MonkeyEek::

Yes I did  ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks...I didn't think things got that easy.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 15, 2010, 07:56:39 PM
Very rough surf in Aruba today.  Maybe a good time to do some shell bone hunting on the beach  ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/25438-advertencia-lama-ta-sigui-bruto.html

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_thumbs/b.175.125.16777215.0....images.stories.news.2010.december.dec15.beach.front.jpg)

http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=81787

A couple videos of the surf

http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=ir53di&s=7

http://tinypic.com/r/2qbvytl/7


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 15, 2010, 08:17:00 PM
I Wish

Loving Natalee – Beth Holloway

Page 58:
  Detective Jacobs asks us to come to the police station in Bubali in about an hour to give our official statements.

Page 59:  Jug, Jodi, and I arrive at Bubali at eight o’clock sharp …

Detective Jacobs is sitting behind the counter in a reclining swivel office chair.  As we move toward him, he leans back in his chair.  “We’re ready to give our statements,” we say, anxious to tell him the facts about Natalee’s disappearance we’ve gathered thus far, so that an investigation can get under way.

Page 60:  He pushes one hand and then the other down and across his belly, which is extended by his rearing back.  He says, “I’ll have to eat my frosted flakes first,” and then, running a hand across his jaw, adds, “and get a shave before I can deal with you.”  And with that he gets up from the chair, exits through the little swinging door, and disappears ….

A half hour passes.  Then an hour.  I wish there was an American law enforcement contact here to help us, someone to act as a liaison.  I get up from the plastic chair, go outside, and sit down in the gravel driveway ….

I’m outside about thirty minutes when another officer, police chief Jan van der Straten, comes out to the driveway and tells me bluntly and curtly to get up.  “You can’t sit in the gravel like this.  Come back inside.”

Inside, two more hours pass …

After almost three hours detective Jacobs comes back into the waiting area and tells me he doesn’t need me today.


Contacts to Assist

Talking To Beth Holloway Five Years After Natalee's Disappearance
05/30/10 1:45 pm


"The Natalee Holloway Resource Center is focusing on education and crime prevention, and in the event that a loved one goes missing we have the resources and the contacts to assist the families."
 
http://www.abc3340.com/news/stories/0510/741129.html


Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC
 
Mayday 360
http://www.mayday360.com/default.aspx


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 15, 2010, 09:12:54 PM
I cannot comprehend the arrogance of Tim Miller.  Tim's personal mission to assist others stems from lack of available resources in regards to a tragic happening in his life and ... Beth's mission to assist others stems from a lack of resources regarding a tragic happening in her life.  Tim of all people should comprehend.

There is not a day that goes by that I wish the humble Tim we all knew and loved prior to the Persistence search would once again emerge and ... make everything right.

Janet

++++++


WATT'S UP WITH THIS? STEPH WATTS & TIM MILLER 9/19/2010

Tim Miller:  If Beth really wants to make a difference and help people?  You know we had more people disappear in the United States of America in the last twenty four hours.  Do you hear this?  Twenty four hours, than Aruba has in their entire history.  This was a very isolated incident. I will not boycott Aruba.  The last time we was in Aruba they was just friendly with us again.  My Gd you know what? Let’s start at home to try to make a change.

Transcript: texasmom

Audio:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/watts-up-with-this/2010/09/20/watts-up-with-this#endframe


CNN LARRY KING LIVE
Natalee Holloway Still Missing After 31 Days; Inspiring Stories
Aired June 29, 2005 - 21:00   ET


NANCY GRACE, GUEST HOST: Tim, you are the director of Texas Equusearch, but it's more than just a job to you. Can we talk about Laura, your girl?

TIM MILLER, DIRECTOR, TEXAS EQUUSEARCH: Yes, we can.

GRACE: Can you tell me about her?

MILLER: You know, I went through the same thing, and it wasn't any better where I was from. They said Laura was a runaway. I did everything I knew how to do, but I was paralyzed at that time. There weren't any search teams. There wasn't any support from law enforcement. And unfortunately, 17 months later, you know, the remains of Laura and another girl that's still unidentified were found 60 feet from each other and only a couple of miles from our house.

And the grieving process, of course, was painful. I was the fortunate one, I got Laura back. I've got a place to put flowers to and I have been truly blessed. And Laura's picture is my office and it's behind me. I feel as though that Laura's death wasn't in vain by no means.

http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/29/lkl.01.html








Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 15, 2010, 09:40:55 PM
I was emailed this info.  Wonder what happened to Michael Posner?

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/ExcelsiorOwnerAug2010.jpg)

hmmmm...don't know; that's interesting!

Preliminary search on Luciano Boccia came up with links to Ft. Lauderdale & Weston, FL....another hmmmmm.


Can't capture it, but if you search this page for Boccia, I think it says he was one of the hitmen, not prosecuted:

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Ffaidadiscampia.blogspot.com%2F2007%2F05%2Fle-violenze-dei-faiano-ai-quartieri.html

I saw a Lucia Boccia mentioned.  I could not capture it either.  Not sure of a connection but not excluding it.  The only other Boccia I found was Fernando who was Killed In 1937 by a head of the Genovese crime family by the surname of Luciano.  That's why I looked here in the states first...


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 15, 2010, 09:41:14 PM
http://www.themorningnewsaruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=36&Itemid=19 (http://www.themorningnewsaruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=36&Itemid=19)

Just started going through these.  I think this is Loco Stef (TM what do you think?)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/SoleMareLocoStef.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 15, 2010, 11:01:30 PM
Looks like LocoStef to me too!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: wreck on December 16, 2010, 12:02:29 AM
Don't get me wrong -- I'm not excusing her prior actions or really defending her. I have always thought that she is an attractive girl who APPEARS to look like she has more going for her than the rest of the "pimps" and the general crowd of losers she used to hang around with. I wonder what her life is like now and if maybe she would be someone to "spill the beans" on Joran and his buddies.


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Post by: billb's daughter on December 16, 2010, 02:14:12 AM
Justice for Natalee.......either today, tomorrow, next week, next year...or forty years..
Not going anywhere ::MonkeyAngel::.....


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 16, 2010, 03:30:26 AM
http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=2

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/12152010_Bondia_02a-1.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

proyecto of pipe of gas is exigi one study previo of impacto ambiental

oranjestad – monday ultimo, gobierno of aruba together cu valero owing to anuncia one proyecto of instalacion of one plant of gas natural. during the first phase of introduccion of the proyecto important here, the suministro of gas will wordo haci via barco cu is carga lng; y after will being instala one pipe submarino for of the costanan of estado falcon (venezuela) till at aruba. sinembargo con cu we wanted mire, the construccion of one pipe submarino of more or less 35 kilometer of largo will have his impacto on life marino, so the biologo marino sr. byron boekhoudt owing to declara at good morning aruba yesterday.

sr. boekhoudt owing to tell cu one proyecto so have his near positive y his near negative. without dada the instalacion of one plant of gas for descend the gasto of produccion of water y minimalisa the produccion of co2 (gas carbonico) for of web is algo positive. besides the instalacion of one pipe submarino is one infrastructura cu the piscanan likes very, y this is algo positive for her actividad of piscamento. sinembargo this is depende of the type of infrastructura cu will being employ, y the ruta cu the pipe will being instala among aruba y venezuela. pesey the biologo marino, sr. byron boekhoudt is considera important cu first cu the proyecto here will being realisa, have to work one study of impoacto ambiental. the is considera relevante cu hour cu is being disena the linea for instala the pipanan of gas natural, this have to wordo construi on the canal cu is ocasiona less impacto on we ecologia marino.

at instant cu is being instala one pipe of gas submarino all thing is under dje is wordo afecta. without have coral or reef the danonan will is uno ireparabel. pesey is important for her desaroyado of one proyecto of the magnitud here have to realisa first one study of impacto ambiental for minimalisa the danonan here. one opcion will is esun of employ the same ruta cu the being employ for another proyestonan therefore.e the cable submarino of telephone near of valero y platform already cu the canal ey already owing to being afecta cu presencia of the being human.

another aspecto have of haber cu the condicion of lama among aruba y venezuela. have to as cuenta cu the profundidad y the coriente submarino among both country. according sr. byron boekhoudt among the two country have one canal much hundo cu in the profundidad ey not have dano for her medio ambiente marino already cu the is mud. sinembargo the is consciente cu for one type of proyecto so is being employ canal of less profundidad till cu 200 metre. pesey is important first cu the proyecto here start, govierno have to exigi first one study of impacto ambiental for minimalisa the danonan.

another aspecto important cu have to as cuenta cune have of haber cu the coriente of lama among aruba y venezuela. have area submarino among the two paisnan here cu is registra facilmente one coriente among two for three nudo; cu is one problem cu the desaroyado have to teme cuenta cune. “e is one reto”, so sr. byron boekhoudt owing to declara at good morning aruba. also the area of coriente will can resulta altera cu the instalacion of one pipe submarino, already cu the can produci remolinanan cu can afecta we costanan.

they all is aspectonan cu have to as cuenta cune hour of realisa one proyecto so. pesey is relevante for come cu one study previo of impacto ambiental for evalua the consecuencianan cu the construccion of one pipe of gas submarino among aruba y venezuela can ocasiona at we medio ambiente marino. come across



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 16, 2010, 03:41:50 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Holloway_beach.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/flores1.jpg)

and Stephany!

 ::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: carpe noctem on December 16, 2010, 03:43:27 AM
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I do have compassion for people who have bodies that just do what they want to do anyway. I was a slim-jim for some years... when I stood sideways some people would say
I disappeared. So, I know the pain.

...but dam Yosemite Sam --- if you'ze pushing four bills --- your choice is to go
with horizontal stripes? Seriously??? That sounded good to you?

That's like saying see my center stripe? It's all you have to measure to find my body circumference!

The widest stripe is a built in tape measure.

When you packing as many steaks as Jacobs is packing... Go vertical.

It is not a fix all --- you will still see his face and ham handed meat hooks.

....but every little bit helps. Another tip - roll with iridescent stripes, no matter the configuration, so that when you flat line like your sister after stuffing down a foot long cheese and hammy - people will see it for miles. It's been working for hot air balloons for years. It's proven technology.

Good news, Dennis:
Coming soon those shirts will have ON STAR built in.

Bad news: the Aruban ambulance will still wreck three times before they can hoist you over to Oduber Hospital.

As your life plays before your eyes - the soup bar, the salad bar, plaid shirts... ya know, all of the regrets.

You will  look up and lock eyes with your driver... it will be Jerry Jerry Strawberry.

Hail Mary, bro.

Merry Christmas, chump-zilla!!!! Is this one your last? ::bananadance::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 16, 2010, 03:54:45 AM
(http://www.boletinextra.com/cache/multithumb_thumbs/a3b138d738dc992ebdb3e9b28acb437f.JPG)


I do have compassion for people who have bodies that just do what they want to do anyway. I was a slim-jim for some years... when I stood sideways some people would say
I disappeared. So, I know the pain.

...but dam Yosemite Sam --- if you'ze pushing four bills --- your choice is to go
with horizontal stripes? Seriously??? That sounded good to you?

That's like saying see my center stripe? It's all you have to measure to find my body circumference!

The widest stripe is a built in tape measure.

When you packing as many steaks as Jacobs is packing... Go vertical.

It is not a fix all --- you will still see his face and ham handed meat hooks.

....but every little bit helps. Another tip - roll with iridescent stripes, no matter the configuration, so that when you flat line like your sister after stuffing down a foot long cheese and hammy - people will see it for miles. It's been working for hot air balloons for years. It's proven technology.

Good news, Dennis:
Coming soon those shirts will have ON STAR built in.

Bad news: the Aruban ambulance will still wreck three times before they can hoist you over to Oduber Hospital.

As your life plays before your eyes - the soup bar, the salad bar, plaid shirts... ya know, all of the regrets.

You will  look up and lock eyes with your driver... it will be Jerry Jerry Strawberry.

Hail Mary, bro.

Merry Christmas, chump-zilla!!!! Is this one your last? ::bananadance::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Thanks Carpe, I needed that.   ::MonkeyKiss:: ::monkeywine2::

A vision of Justice...we all know it comes in many forms.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: carpe noctem on December 16, 2010, 03:57:34 AM
 ::MonkeyKiss::

TM - Are they blanking out faces on their end, for protection?

Or did we do that here?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 16, 2010, 04:04:18 AM
::MonkeyKiss::

TM - Are they blanking out faces on their end, for protection?

Or did we do that here?

They do that (sometimes), we only blank them out here if we're going to paste something else in it's place!   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 16, 2010, 04:12:53 AM
It's a good concept I guess, but it sure doesn't work for Dennis Jacobs. 




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 16, 2010, 04:14:27 AM
Good night Carpe!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: carpe noctem on December 16, 2010, 04:18:38 AM
Good night Carpe!   ::MonkeyCool::

Goodnight TM, sweetheart.

Well, it's good news to me that we still rock them in many ways... even now, almost 6 years later!

Monkeys never give up, huh? ::MonkeyCool::

Keep them on the run.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: carpe noctem on December 16, 2010, 07:04:34 AM
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/jorandeathincreasing.jpg)


Nat`s Clock Day Counter / Natalee's Justice ::MonkeyAngel::

link:

http://tinyurl.com/2nmatm


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 16, 2010, 09:45:30 AM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=5647&offId=0


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Papiamentu translation:

59 minuut happen | fecha: 16/12/2010 | horario: 09:41

trahadornan of aruba tourism authority owing to walkout, because not have proteccion of ontslag regeling

the empleadonan owing to walk out because behold owing to being privatisa pear 1 of january 2011, already for lunas the empleadonan is bezig can medio of seppa for jega at one good acuerdo but not owing to succeed!! minister does not arrive at one good proteccion of one ontslagregeling!! dus without acuerdo minister is bay door cune. pesey the empleadonan is much disgusta. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 16, 2010, 10:27:34 AM
Good night Carpe!   ::MonkeyCool::

Goodnight TM, sweetheart.

Well, it's good news to me that we still rock them in many ways... even now, almost 6 years later!

Monkeys never give up, huh? ::MonkeyCool::

Keep them on the run.

Absolutely, never give up!   ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on December 16, 2010, 10:43:38 AM
CoMe  AcRoSs


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 16, 2010, 11:19:39 AM
Don't get me wrong -- I'm not excusing her prior actions or really defending her. I have always thought that she is an attractive girl who APPEARS to look like she has more going for her than the rest of the "pimps" and the general crowd of losers she used to hang around with. I wonder what her life is like now and if maybe she would be someone to "spill the beans" on Joran and his buddies.

Wreck
- she is no different than the rest of them.  She is opportunistic and loose because that is how they are raised it seems.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on December 16, 2010, 11:38:53 AM
Looks like LocoStef to me too!   ::MonkeyCool::

My...how she's grown :cool:


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 16, 2010, 11:57:55 AM
Looks like LocoStef to me too!   ::MonkeyCool::

My...how she's grown :cool:
::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on December 16, 2010, 02:23:20 PM
Looks like LocoStef to me too!   ::