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Title: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 26, 2010, 01:04:43 PM
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************ IN 2011 ************


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: antunym on December 30, 2010, 03:36:24 PM
Here I am faster than a speeding burrito truck


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 30, 2010, 03:36:50 PM
 ::MonkeyHaHa::
Here I am faster than a speeding burrito truck


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: antunym on December 30, 2010, 03:38:18 PM
lol Its the first time I was the first poster in a new thread... I got excited.  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on December 30, 2010, 03:39:12 PM
LOL


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Post by: texasmom on December 30, 2010, 04:39:23 PM
http://amigoenieuws.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=962:dow-werkt-aan-verbetering-regenwaterafvoer&catid=151:artikel-headline-aruba&Itemid=200

DOW is working to improve drainage
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Last Updated on Thursday, 30 December 2010 8:14 p.m.
Thursday, 30 December 2010 7:00 p.m.

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ORANGE CITY - Office of Public Works (DOW) has been busy with projects that will improve drainage on the island. So this week awarded contracts for roads and drainage in Montana and for the renovation of the sewage pumping station Monserat. For next year are also several projects in the pipeline. It is only waiting for approval of the budget for this, says director DOW Jossy Figaroa against the newspaper.
by our reporter
Alex Lacle

The heavy rainfall in recent months made it clear that in many places on the island is still no proper drainage for rainwater. Several roads and homes were under water again and again. At various places was damage to the road and traffic was diverted. Public Works Department is aware of this, but can not tackle all problems at once. "There is not enough budget available for this," said Figaroa. He says DOW therefore have to look where the problems are and which places the highest priority. "They will then be tackled first."

Three projects had long been on the agenda include the replacement of the faulty sewage pumping station in Monserat, the stormwater and roads in Montana and the stormwater at Palm Beach near the Mill. The first two are late this year through a public tender awarded to local companies. The last project, from the Mill, will be awarded until next year. This is a project with a value of about seven tons florin. "This was no more budget this year," said DOW Director. Replacing the sewer pumping station in Monserat costs about 150,000 florins. Currently, here called a bypass pump. "But it can not long be used." The construction of roads drainage and asphalting of roads in Montana and Boegoeroei costs the taxpayers approximately 430,000 florins. But these changes are desperately needed, according Figaroa. "There are houses that are flooded, many real problems. This should be resolved as quickly as possible. "Both projects are expected to start in January. Within six weeks, the sewage pumping station or replaced. The project takes a little longer in Montana, says the director. "About two to three months", he expects.

More new water discharge
For the coming year are also other projects in the pipeline, says Figaroa. "At the hospital a channel to Costa Linda and the sea." This is to ensure that roads are not accessible to the hospital due to rainfall. In Monserat Camay and the drainage addressed. "We will create towards the two channels salina at the Marriott." In England Street, where much water remains and the surface was damaged, are pipes under the road so the water can flow toward the DA chemist. Although this place some time ago the necessary hampered by rain, since last week here on the drainage issue, says Dow. "When you last weekend at the DA or Bruna was, then you could see the water is left behind," says director Figaroa. Another major project that DOW seeks to address is the road along the lake Bubali. "With heavy rain will stay here very much water. The road must be raised. "This requires an enormous investment and therefore expect that the director is not this coming year can be addressed, but probably in 2012, when the budget allows.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: carpe noctem on December 30, 2010, 10:59:13 PM
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Arooba 24 - Newswire

Fecha: 30/12/2010 | Horario: 22:30

While running late for work today,
dressed in his wife's red shower cap
and something loosely resembling a jogging
suit, Nel Oduber crashed his Nissan into
a truck this morning on Aruba.

Oduber said "Damn, I late again. I swerve to miss
the puddle, you think he would have seen me wearing
this ridiculous cap. It's his fault. It's always the
other guy's fault, man!"

One guy showed up from the ATA handing out fliers of how
safe Aruba is. Another guy took down Nel's license plate
number. One guy broke down and ordered a pizza from his
cell phone. Then, one more guy showed up and just put his
hands in his pockets and started scratching his man parts.
The last guy was rumored to have spent the night with Julia Renfro,
the previous night. Minister of Traffic Safety, Mr. Jerry Jerry
Strawberry, cautioned all: "The best way to travel on Aruba is
on bulletproof tank, tow truck or a takelwaggen. You most certainly
do not want to risk it in one of those pussy ass tin cans that
Deepak Kalpoe rents to people. Not recommended!"

Remember: Buckle up and drive safe on Arooba! Most people are nuts. ::bananadance::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: wreck on December 30, 2010, 11:13:28 PM
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Arooba 24 - Newswire

Fecha: 30/12/2010 | Horario: 22:30

While running late for work today,
dressed in his wife's red shower cap
and something loosely resembling a jogging
suit, Nel Oduber crashed his Nissan into
a truck this morning on Aruba.

Oduber said "Damn, I late again. I swerve to miss
the puddle, you think he would have seen me wearing
this ridiculous cap. It's his fault. It's always the
other guy's fault, man!"

One guy showed up from the ATA handing out fliers of how
safe Aruba is. Another guy took down Nel's license plate
number. One guy broke down and ordered a pizza from his
cell phone. Then, one more guy showed up and just put his
hands in his pockets and started scratching his man parts.
The last guy was rumored to have spent the night with Julia Renfro,
the previous night. Minister of Traffic Safety, Mr. Jerry Jerry
Strawberry, cautioned all: "The best way to travel on Aruba is
on bulletproof tank, tow truck or a takelwaggen. You most certainly
do not want to risk it in one of those pussy ass tin cans that
Deepak Kalpoe rents to people. Not recommended!"

Remember: Buckle up and drive safe on Arooba! Most people are nuts. ::bananadance::

 ::MonkeyCool::  ::MonkeyDance:: Best translation of Pap I've seen yet!!!!! Well done, sir!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 30, 2010, 11:19:30 PM
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/nelodubercarcrash.jpg)


Arooba 24 - Newswire

Fecha: 30/12/2010 | Horario: 22:30

While running late for work today,
dressed in his wife's red shower cap
and something loosely resembling a jogging
suit, Nel Oduber crashed his Nissan into
a truck this morning on Aruba.

Oduber said "Damn, I late again. I swerve to miss
the puddle, you think he would have seen me wearing
this ridiculous cap. It's his fault. It's always the
other guy's fault, man!"

One guy showed up from the ATA handing out fliers of how
safe Aruba is. Another guy took down Nel's license plate
number. One guy broke down and ordered a pizza from his
cell phone. Then, one more guy showed up and just put his
hands in his pockets and started scratching his man parts.
The last guy was rumored to have spent the night with Julia Renfro,
the previous night. Minister of Traffic Safety, Mr. Jerry Jerry
Strawberry, cautioned all: "The best way to travel on Aruba is
on bulletproof tank, tow truck or a takelwaggen. You most certainly
do not want to risk it in one of those pussy ass tin cans that
Deepak Kalpoe rents to people. Not recommended!"

Remember: Buckle up and drive safe on Arooba! Most people are nuts. ::bananadance::

Come across! ::MonkeyDance::
::MonkeyHaHa:: ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 31, 2010, 12:08:00 AM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::
What was Dolfi Richardson doing while "experts" are being called in from Curacao to help the Aruban police find out who murdered assassinated Poentje Castro?  uhhhhh, just a little moonlighting!

The show must go on!   ::monkeywine2::


http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=707#

Tsunami @ Cafe The Plaza Dec 23

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Post by: texasmom on December 31, 2010, 01:27:31 AM
http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=1645260

Coolaruba/Gallery / Ladies night @ confessions 22 dec 2010

(http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1645262&g2_serialNumber=3)

http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=1644879

(http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1644881&g2_serialNumber=3)

http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=1644858

(http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1644860&g2_serialNumber=3)
 ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 31, 2010, 04:13:50 AM
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: dani on December 31, 2010, 08:23:55 AM
Hi all. Been kinda busy and stressed lately so I haven't been around. Still trying to find the time to read those books I ordered. I hope 2011 brings health and happiness for all.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on December 31, 2010, 09:31:49 AM
carpe ..... that is simply priceless~!! come across...lmffaoooo


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Post by: klaasend on December 31, 2010, 10:13:59 AM
Diario, 2010 in review:

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(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/DiarioFebMar.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/DiarioApr.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/DiarioJune.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/DiarioJul.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/DiarioSept.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/DiarioOctNovDec.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/DiarioDec.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 31, 2010, 11:41:52 AM
Thanks Klaas! ::MonkeyCool::


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Post by: texasmom on December 31, 2010, 02:00:37 PM
http://yfrog.com/hs3gvntj

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/12292010_ValentijninAruba.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 31, 2010, 02:59:21 PM
From the January 10, 2011 National Enquirer - "Who's Gay and Who's Not"  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDevil::

This article could have been written by Carpe  ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/JoranEnquirer011011.jpg)

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_bkgOq0lV4rU/SGalkVuwR1I/AAAAAAAAABo/wiqdtBQwkDs/s400/aprive2.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 31, 2010, 03:36:58 PM
 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on December 31, 2010, 03:41:23 PM
One Little Island of Death and Destruction.....

LoL Klaas!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on December 31, 2010, 03:44:37 PM
I just wanted to make sure that I came into the Natalee thread to wish a Happy New Year to everyone. Carpe, you have cracked me up at the strangest times and it seemed to be when I needed it the most.
Janet, wish we lived closer, we could go to Tim's. ! ! !  We are all addicted to that place here, can't go to soccer or the doctor without making a trip there for a small treat. I wish us all to have our dreams and wishes for ourselves and our families come true.
And Ms. Klaasend, you enjoy that Baby as I know you will. They have some special healing powers also. I know that for a fact !
I am going out later with family ( even my antisocial brother is coming to the restaurant ) and I am going to count my blessings as I look at three girls + their Mama and see what is the most important things to me in this life.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 31, 2010, 03:47:26 PM
More false rumors of an arrest in Poentje Castro's case.  Imagine that!   ::MonkeyRoll::

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/25999-polis-no-ta-berdad-cu-tin-detencion-den-caso-di-asesinato.html

Papiamentu translation:

polis: do not berdad cu have detencion in caso of asesinato

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_thumbs/b.175.125.16777215.0...images.stories.news.2010.december.dec31.poentje.jpg)

friday, 31 december 2010 10:46

ultimo dianan here constantemente is leave rumornan false send via blackberry messenger. alas hendenan is follow "broadcast" the noticianan here without cu they're berdad. so we can confirma cu the news cu will have one detencion at corsou relaciona cu the asesinato of poentje castro at aruba do not berdad. for of the own alto comisario of police, we owing to confirma cu till at the instant here not have none detencion haci in the caso, neither at aruba y neither at none another country niether. the caso is follow below ; investigacion of one team of more or less 15 recherche experencia cu is purbando all as of acumula more informacion y tip necesario for succeed arrive at the sospechoso(nan) envolvi in the asesinato cruel here. alas, have person is "hunga" journalist y probably cu the aim for spite the investigacion or for cause more dolor in family, is send informa of supuesto detencionnan at corsou. we of 24ora.com is alerta everybody, for not bay behind fuentenan desconoci. adieu cu do you not see the news on 24ora.com, probably the do not cuadra cu berdad. if do you wanted is one of the first they for have all news veridico till in do you celular, then abona at the servicio of sms, mandando one message at number 2400 via do you digicel or setar cu the message news on y so cu have one news, are you achieve one message of texto in do you celular.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 31, 2010, 03:49:29 PM
I just wanted to make sure that I came into the Natalee thread to wish a Happy New Year to everyone. Carpe, you have cracked me up at the strangest times and it seemed to be when I needed it the most.
Janet, wish we lived closer, we could go to Tim's. ! ! !  We are all addicted to that place here, can't go to soccer or the doctor without making a trip there for a small treat. I wish us all to have our dreams and wishes for ourselves and our families come true.
And Ms. Klaasend, you enjoy that Baby as I know you will. They have some special healing powers also. I know that for a fact !
I am going out later with family ( even my antisocial brother is coming to the restaurant ) and I am going to count my blessings as I look at three girls + their Mama and see what is the most important things to me in this life.

I hope you have a great time with your family, and wish you the best of health and happiness in 2011!
 ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 31, 2010, 03:56:41 PM
As if there hasn't been enough trouble in the Aruban parliament already!  ::MonkeyNoNo:: Oh boy, they'll probably start selling tickets if this happens.  Help make up for some of those lost tourism dollars.   ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.24ora.com/politica-mainmenu-18/25995-nel-oduber-lo-bolbe-parlamento.html

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_thumbs/b.175.125.16777215.0...images.stories.news.2010.PERSONAHE.neloduber.jpg)

nel oduber will go back parliament?

thursday, 30 december 2010 22:33

cu the anuncio of retiro of nilo swaen can did take notice cu the speculacionnan is cuminsa core. for of esnan of mep self is being talk cu nel oduber is go back in parliament. booshi owing to anuncia guerra in meeting publico. the intencion is for arise the people contra gobierno in 2011. cu the tone ey booshi wever was expresa his malcontento for her cambio of ley for beneficionnan y edad of pension for politiconan. one ley cu owing to place six acolyte of mep angry more still hour cu two member of parliament of mep owing to vote at please also of the ley. nilo swaen his mouth owing to medio slip also indicando cu can wait for nel oduber in parliament. if the fraccion of mep is keto is because they wanted anuncie because; surprise. so self in they have some mouth is slip. if mep know cu nilo will owing to retira they will was have they candidato cla end. cu the silencio actual is cuminsa give indicacion cu the comentarionan cu is leave directamente for of seno of mep will have cierto berdad in dje. mep his fraccion is much angry cu avp y they wanted go take away one opocision enough strong lantando the people contra the gobierno. apparently mep is feel cu the gobierno of avp is gobernando much comodo the momentonan here y in they tone of debate can feel cu this is intragable. for of good fountain have indicacion cu nel his pensionnan seems have to stop if the go back parliament. besides hour cu the go cu pension bek the pension new is count ; for her areglo new apparently.


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Post by: texasmom on December 31, 2010, 04:03:03 PM
http://amigoenieuws.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=992:laatste-applaus-voor-poentje-castro-&catid=151:artikel-headline-aruba&Itemid=200

Google translation:

Last applause Poentje Castro

Friday, 31 December 2010 0:02

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ORANGE CITY - While the rest of Oranjestad companies have concluded the year with festive lighting of pagara's, was yesterday afternoon at St. Francis church, the funeral service held for murdered journalist and producer John Anthony 'Poentje' Castro.

by our reporter
Ariën Rasmijn

Hundreds of people, including relatives, acquaintances and friends, said goodbye to the murdered journalist on December 23. Since the beginning of the service, at noon, people poured in to the Castro last respects. Good friends, including Minister Otmar Oduber, could not hold back their tears while a band played music on a TV screen and countless photos of Castro were shown. Castro's friends were standing outside and talk. Just down Manuelitos bar, a strain of the bars of the journalist, was also full of people who traditionally took a beer to like the popularly called "hand washing". The service was broadcast live on remote Aruba and was also live on nieuwssite24ora.com.

Good friend Manuel da Silva said there were no other filmmaker like Poentje Castro and that no one program "Un Dia Den Bida" could continue. "Only he could make this type of program. He was the only one in a way people could access them. "In this paper says that the families of Da Silva Castro will ultimately decide what's archive" Un Dia Den Bida 'happens. Together with Poentje Castro da Silva was also responsible for the annual carnival event 'Hebe Hebe. "I took care of his finances and for the artistic part, the bands and the dressing. We had been preparing since October, but I do not know if it is feasible now Poentje is gone. I'll do my best to still pull it off. But if we succeed, this is the last Hebe Hebe. "

'2011 Was his year to be '
In an open letter published yesterday by the media, noted fellow filmmaker shine in January this year commercially a disaster year for Poentje Castro. Advertisers stayed away, and Castro had decided to return to job at an insurance company as a car repair expert to get started and so still have a stable income, next to his popular program "Un Dia Den Bida. Castro, according to shine certainly very happy before his death, the fact that his friend, Minister Otmar Oduber (AVP) in Curacao would lobby for the program on TV to get there again. The minister said this during the funeral service in an emotional speech too. "Poentje could not wait for 2010 was over. 2011 could be his year. And then something happens. "He praised Castro as a programmer concerned that people in need in the picture and put problems on the island, whether in a controversial manner, highlighted. He called him a person who helped people like. "Let us remember him so. And let us love one another. Therefore, this time he passed away, so we think it will continue. "Castro's brother Eugene was also a farewell speech. He wanted the authorities to apply wisdom and decisiveness "the perpetrators of this cowardly act" to find and bring to justice. Eugene finally asked for his weeping into the arms of good friend Carmichael Bikker was collected, for one last standing ovation for his brother. Everyone in the church stood and clapped hard for the deceased journalist. Pastor Jairo Maduro kept below a sermon, while the family is left with the coffin to the funeral to take place in private. The parish priest of Brazil warned those present the church to "the culture of death" to avoid. "Poentje Castro is no longer with us. We can do anything about it. What we can do is closer to God. "


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Post by: texasmom on December 31, 2010, 04:08:38 PM
http://amigoenieuws.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1013:groei-afhankelijk-van-valero-en-ritz-carlton&catid=108:artikelen-aruba&Itemid=199

Google translation:

Growth depends on Valero and Ritz Carlton

Friday, 31 December 2010 0:12

ORANGE CITY - The projected growth rate of 9 percent in 2011 depends on the condition that the Valero refinery is fully operational throughout the year and that the Ritz Carlton project fully under way. The main risk to this forecast is that the economic development of the United States remains weak.

This requires the Central Bank of Aruba (CBA) in its quarterly report of the third quarter of this year. Moreover the Bank a further slowdown in economic activity in the construction industry. This shows a decline of as much as 44.8 percent on imports of cement. This was the lowest level of the past nine years.

The Bank sees a potentially positive sign. Both the number and value of building permits issued rose in the third quarter. In the same quarter also decreased revenues from tourism by 0.6 percent. The number of stay-over visitors rose by 0.7 percent or so is that the number of tourist nights by 3.3 percent. CBA claims in the quarter to reduce the operations took place.
The average price in the third quarter was approximately 0.2 percent lower than the same period last year. Price reductions in nearly every category were noted, are largely offset by price increases for electricity, gas, water and fuel. The 12-month inflation was 2.6 percent in September. The financing shortfall in cash from the government was 92 million florins in the third quarter, an increase of 35.4 million compared to same period last year. Total tax revenues decreased by 24.2 to 203.5 million florins while non-tax revenues decreased by 8.7 million to 21.0 million guilders.

Despite the windfall of 211.6 million florin tax agreement with the Valero oil refinery is the expected shortage of government from the 224.6 million florins, or 5.1 percent of GDP in 2010. Next year, International Monetary Fund expects that the deficit will increase further to almost 7 percent of GDP. According to CBA, the government recognized that such a situation is untenable and she is working on a reduction of its deficit through, among others, a social dialogue, improving purchasing power and promoting economic growth incentives.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 31, 2010, 04:21:19 PM
Guess I missed "Part 1", and I haven't quite figured out how to find older articles on the new website yet.   ::MonkeyConfused::

http://amigoenieuws.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1014:leren-leven-met-dengue-deel-2&catid=151:artikel-headline-aruba&Itemid=200

Google translation:

Learning to live with dengue fever (part 2)

Friday, 31 December 2010 0:25

Aruba has been a time under the spell of dengue. Daily Herald spoke with Arnold Boes, President of the Executive Board (EB) of the Horacio Oduber Hospital (HOH) and Ralph Huits internist. Today part 2 with facts about how dengue can be addressed.

ORANGE CITY - "from one type of dengue, a person is no more or less sick. The disease is fairly equal, it is more tied to place and time than to type, "said Ralph Huits internist. "Currently, fixed Arubans how sick of dengue and what happens to them all. But how the body reacts to the virus. For now it seems more to do with the reaction of his own body on the virus than the type of virus. "

by our reporter
Yvonne Leijdekkers

Someone who already had dengue, has a good chance that half the time of infection with dengue disease almost certainly has a serious course. This is a risk factor. Huits says that almost all patients with dengue is now a serious course have had all previously had dengue. "But half of which are not aware of, because they have an a-symptomatic infection and were not ill were and therefore did not know." The internist may after serology (the study that examines the interaction of antigens and antibodies, red) shows that an antibody in the blood is present, who have been in the blood than the last time the patient had dengue. "When I confront the people thereby, they usually know that they probably already had dengue. Then the chances that someone neglecting dengue getting serious again, but never say never. "

No more sick people
Recently it was announced that on Aruba now dengue type 4 predominates. This does not necessarily mean that more people get sick. "We know that a wave of a certain type of dengue fever and that a few years later a new wave with a different type of dengue is. People are not ill from one type than the other type. The chance that someone is infected, remains the same, "said Huits. "Why does the medical science is now twice that if someone had an infection, then that person is protected. So if someone once had an infection type 2 and type 3 once, then the chances of falling ill from Type 3 is negligible. The patient may well have dengue, but it is not severe dengue. The sick or the flu can picture themselves and feel really rotten. "

Three or four shots per day
The people who are currently hospitalized, are between 15 and 40 years old. A few people are younger or older. Currently in the hospital three to four people listed daily. People with chronic illnesses or other physical downturns have more or less likely to get dengue, says Arnold Boes, President of Board. He says that the degree of illness is related to one's own body, but it is not necessarily weakened by some other factor. 

Disease control
Huits looks back at the first two months of the epidemic and suggests that they were well able to select patients at risk of a severe course and to include them in the hospital. "We are able to reduce the severity of the disease and to check and prevent people should die. The latter is obviously very sensitive to the community. It is certainly not that people - as there are some mosquitoes that transmit dengue - are outlawed and risk of dying. "
Huits Boesten and give advice. "If you have warning symptoms, go to the doctor. This is very well capable to catch it, so the doctors the tip of the iceberg of critically ill patients hospitalized there. "Accommodates stressed that this short recordings. "People can seriously ill, but after three days, most patients discharged again." After two to three weeks the patients at the clinic at Huits, where he takes the time to tell people what's happened. Despite the fact that they have dengue control, like Huits Boesten and faster to identify patients likely to dengue with a serious course. "That is one objective. We want the disease hands and feet, thus eliminating the concern among the population. "

Worldwide
Globally, an estimated 50 million people dengue. Of these, 500,000 (1 percent) with dengue fever with a severe course. With proper guidance of this group of patients, the number of deaths could be reduced to a minimum of 1 percent. "We talk so about 1 percent of that one percent and we think that it is even lower than that," says Boes. "Without trivializing this is of course only a very small part." Huits mentions the death of each patient an extremely delicate matter. "It's terrible when that happens. But the figures show that we are able to greatly reduce dengue mortality. The problem is that we can not guarantee. We can only at the end of an epidemic reliable figures. "Boes thinks people should realize that a simple flu epidemic more victims than dengue. "It is a tragedy when someone dies, but - if you're honest - there are things in the world much more victims."

Yard clean
Reduction of dengue has been and remains very important. The fewer infections less severe cases. People should be aware that the chance of infection is significantly reduced if everyone yard clean and hygienic, "said Boes. According Huits that the difficult issues surrounding the entire dengue. "I hear from many people that they have made efforts to tidy everything clean, but they still like their husband to the hospital have had to make." Nevertheless, the internist that the message must remain unchanged: the people and the government together continue to try to reduce dengue. According to Boes dengue is a problem not just disappear, but we need all together to try to reduce the risk of contamination as small as possible.

Limited number of places
The problems associated with dengue fever is not just limited to the sick. HOH has a limited number of beds. "If we face an epidemic, as is the case, we must often compromise on the number of beds. With daily three to four recordings of patients who stay on average three to four days, is an additional burden for the hospital, "says Huits. Boes therefore stresses the importance of proper patient selection. "It is very strange when we know people who record their dengue infection should uitzieken, but we have no place for someone with a heart attack," adds Huits him. "Do not forget that doctors and laboratories by extra pressure this epidemic," said Boes. "The illness increases during a dengue epidemic to which there is economic damage. We need to calculate how much money an epidemic such costs. This allows us to avoid any future issues of dengue warrant. "


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 31, 2010, 04:29:28 PM
Valentijn is still one of Koen Gottenbos's facebook friends (Joran is not)

http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=729896308&sk=friends (http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=729896308&sk=friends)

From Valentijn's facebook.  I enlarged so it got a little fuzzy:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/ValentijnFacebook123110.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 31, 2010, 05:06:25 PM
Valentijn is still one of Koen Gottenbos's facebook friends (Joran is not)

http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=729896308&sk=friends (http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=729896308&sk=friends)

From Valentijn's facebook.  I enlarged so it got a little fuzzy:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/ValentijnFacebook123110.jpg)

Can't remember for sure now, but it seems like he was removed either when the "Andre" story came out, or the arrest in Peru. 

::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 31, 2010, 05:08:43 PM
These are from earlier in the month in Boston.  Maybe a get together for Valentijn's birthday?

www.facebook.com

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/12122010_8.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/12122010_7.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/12122010_2.jpg)

That chin!  Wow!   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 31, 2010, 05:15:03 PM
TM I think it was Peru.  Peru seemed to be the last straw for some of Joran's old buddies.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 31, 2010, 05:27:13 PM
I just wanted to make sure that I came into the Natalee thread to wish a Happy New Year to everyone. Carpe, you have cracked me up at the strangest times and it seemed to be when I needed it the most.
Janet, wish we lived closer, we could go to Tim's. ! ! !  We are all addicted to that place here, can't go to soccer or the doctor without making a trip there for a small treat. I wish us all to have our dreams and wishes for ourselves and our families come true.
And Ms. Klaasend, you enjoy that Baby as I know you will. They have some special healing powers also. I know that for a fact !
I am going out later with family ( even my antisocial brother is coming to the restaurant ) and I am going to count my blessings as I look at three girls + their Mama and see what is the most important things to me in this life.

Kat_Gram ... I agree.  A talk over a cuppa of coffee/tea and an Old Fashion Plain with at the local Tim Hortons would be so nice.  God Bless.

Happy New Year All

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 31, 2010, 06:34:01 PM
TM I think it was Peru.  Peru seemed to be the last straw for some of Joran's old buddies.

True.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Blonde on December 31, 2010, 06:35:06 PM
http://cdn2.earthcam.com/earthcam/ts/index.html

Their is on that shows Aruba what a joke!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: klaasend on December 31, 2010, 07:05:35 PM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=5849&offId=0&offDate=2010-12

 ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/jacobs2.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/jacobs3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on December 31, 2010, 07:21:27 PM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=5849&offId=0&offDate=2010-12

 ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/jacobs2.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/jacobs3.jpg)


 ::MonkeyDevil::

I wonder if he ever does any undercover work?  He could wear disguises and no one would know who he is.  NOT! 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 31, 2010, 09:43:26 PM
http://arubasuturismo.com/?p=4104

http://www.coolaruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2049:tourism-expo-auctioning-future-destinations&catid=31:living&Itemid=43

Papiamentu translation:

(http://www.coolaruba.com/images/stories/noticia/2010/nov/tourismexpo.jpg)

tourism expo: auctioning future destinations

posted on 16 november 2010

by admin

oranjestad – universidad of aruba via his curso of “destination marketing” is organizando one “tourism expo” because; “class project” saturday 27 of november 2010 by 4 or of nightfall till cu 8 or of night. we here at universidad of aruba is feel for expone we talentonan in practica together cu we mentenan creativo because; part important of we enseñanza. we will give one fórum for desaroyo turistico y for beneficio local for cu the future destinacionan for more desaroyo of islands diminutive. will intercambia ideanan cu studiantenan, facultadnan, y all miembronan of we comunidad. the objectivonan principal of the evento here ta: (1) for we because; studiantenan give sample con is planea, diseña, y desaroya the mihor destinacionan cu have potential unique for aruba provided that particular; (2) prove one bridge of interacción directo y interacambionan of sabiduria among we studiantenan, parents, maestronan of another institucionan academico; (3) have one mihor enlace cu another sectornan, the.o. publica, priva, y organizacionan without ganashi; (4) for educa the publico tocante con for merkadea the destinacionan of islands diminutive. seven (7) projectonan will is desplegando for all communidad of aruba. we is invita we distiguidonan professorsnan, staff, alumni, studiantenan of several schoolnan of aruba, leadernan comercial, gobierno y parliament of aruba, y residentenan local. for have one mihor control of you presencia much aprecia, can registra via www.fhtms.net (aki can place name y email, after press the button “book;” so here we have one base of datos cu you nombernan for her evento here or another eventonan cu is come in futuro).

equipo of personan encarga cu the magno evento here is doctor earney f. lasten together cu the facultad of estudionan in hospitalidad, turism, y maneho; besides we because; 16 studiantenan in “destination marketing course” (1) lou- anne arendsz; (2) eliana arguello; (3) stacey banfield; (4) margereth boekhoudt; (5) liandra dewberry; (6) margerete galek; (7) jacilyn hart; (8) ka hand hui; (9) beanne nava; (10) yolaima (jamie) noguera; (11) giomar nunes; (12) susana de la oliva; (13) nathaly stanley; (14) clifton starke; (15) lugbelkis wernet; and (16) julie flemming will is part of the committee cu is envolvi directamente in the exposicionan.

the exhibiciónan or exposicionan practico y educacional is consistí of maquetanan, posters, desplaye electrónico, y much más. the publico will can disfruta of seven destinacionan cual also will being subasta for her mihor y more high “bidder”. the destinacionan ta: (1) “star island” one island work for her person cu is seems “palms islands”na dubai; (2) “colossal land” one destinacion where you because; person will feel his self chikito; (3) arikok one destinacion upstairs his self cu his mitonan; (4) “the virudus islands” islands priva rond of aruba because; idea or concepto futuristico; (5) “alaia sanctuary” one destinacion for aficionados of art cu inspiracion in elementonan natural; (6) “earth’s pandora” do you self world basa upstairs the pelicula avatar; y (7) “sport tourism” one market new for aruba because; destinacion deportivo. entrance will is free already cu we is one universidad publico. but we because; studiantenan will is quite aprecia for one possible donacion at the magno evento here cual will have available besides several snacks, some musica tipico cu is peace cu cada destinacion. come one, come all for one rato educativo cu we because; estudiantenan of the prestigioso universidad of aruba. for cualkier informacion can please of calling doctor earney f. lasten at 5854779 or email: me@earneylasten.info. of antemano one thanks for you presencia.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on December 31, 2010, 10:49:22 PM
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Case/Natalee-Home.gif)

************ IN 2011 ************
::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: carpe noctem on January 01, 2011, 01:36:01 AM
 ::MonkeyBike::

Happy New Years all Monkeys!

------------

http://www.facebook.com/titolacle?sk=wall

Tito Lacle
What is the news that most impacted you in 2010, good, bad, local, international.. anyone?
18 hours ago


Julia Renfro The FBI participating in entrapment under the pretense of extortion. If you can't trust the FBI who can you trust?
18 hours ago ·  2 people


Lee-Ann Cuba Asesinato di Poentje Castro, still can believe that he's gone.
18 hours ago ·  4 people


Renée Gielen Tito, I join Julia and Lee-Ann in the bad news.
17 hours ago

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May Julie Jules and Rene get "Poentje'd" in the twenty-eleven!

Because sometimes a piece of sh is best buried out in the backyard.

The deeper you bury it... the less the stink, you know? It's true.

I read it in the Farmer's Almanac, or something. ::MonkeyJnBox::

They really are sick beyond repair, as far as human beings can get.

Forget about Joran trying to rip Beth off for info on where he threw her murdered daughter away.

Forget about Stephany being viciously beat to death by Joran, right?

Julia and Rene want the FBI brought down. GMAB!

Keep the bananas coming in the 2011... we still have a lot of whipping ass to do.

-Justice for Natalee! ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: carpe noctem on January 01, 2011, 01:51:02 AM
I just wanted to make sure that I came into the Natalee thread to wish a Happy New Year to everyone. Carpe, you have cracked me up at the strangest times and it seemed to be when I needed it the most.
Janet, wish we lived closer, we could go to Tim's. ! ! !  We are all addicted to that place here, can't go to soccer or the doctor without making a trip there for a small treat. I wish us all to have our dreams and wishes for ourselves and our families come true.
And Ms. Klaasend, you enjoy that Baby as I know you will. They have some special healing powers also. I know that for a fact !
I am going out later with family ( even my antisocial brother is coming to the restaurant ) and I am going to count my blessings as I look at three girls + their Mama and see what is the most important things to me in this life.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Happy News Years to you, Kat Gram! ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 01, 2011, 01:58:04 AM
First bad car accident of 2011 has happened in Aruba.  Three sent to the hospital, drunk (and maybe crazy?) driver arrested...I know I've seen him before in pictures...maybe a bartender?

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/26020-prome-desgracia-di-2011.html

chofer sober (=drunk) is ocasiona accidente lagando person gravemente injury at hill patrishi

saturday, 01 january 2011 01:24

one chofer bao influencia owing to strike in one car lagando hendenan gravemente injury. was in careda of 1'or cu owing to enter the informacion of the desgracia earnest here. police owing to go at once at the sitio. at arrival owing to come across cu two car cu owing to strike frontal. in one of the autonan was have one chofer stick. in same car behind was have one lady injury is bark of dolor. police owing to ask for ambulance cu urgencia y equipment of rescate. more cu one unidad of bombero y several ambulance owing to present. all the time in the another car cu is esun cu owing to ocasiona the accidente was have one chofer. the chofer here was have one clip at cabez but was also much sober (=drunk). is deal of one man colombiano cu according testigonan owing to happen cu velocidad much high on the caminda of hill blanco. past owing to happen the testigonan at one form iresponsable direccion paradera y in the first bocht of hill patrishi past owing to go in part of direccion contrario y strike frontal. police owing to detene the chofer here cu owing to achieve also one good zundra of the testigonan cu owing to mire core as loco. past owing to happen they y till even hera strike in they on the caminda first cu past owing to ocasiona the desgracia. one overall of three person owing to go hospital. also the chofer colombiano cu owing to ocasiona the desgracia after have to owing to go hospital mirando cu the was have one clip open at his forehead.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: carpe noctem on January 01, 2011, 02:26:03 AM
First bad car accident of 2011 has happened in Aruba.  Three sent to the hospital, drunk (and maybe crazy?) driver arrested...I know I've seen him before in pictures...maybe a bartender?

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/26020-prome-desgracia-di-2011.html

chofer sober (=drunk) is ocasiona accidente lagando person gravemente injury at hill patrishi

saturday, 01 january 2011 01:24

one chofer bao influencia owing to strike in one car lagando hendenan gravemente injury. was in careda of 1'or cu owing to enter the informacion of the desgracia earnest here. police owing to go at once at the sitio. at arrival owing to come across cu two car cu owing to strike frontal. in one of the autonan was have one chofer stick. in same car behind was have one lady injury is bark of dolor. police owing to ask for ambulance cu urgencia y equipment of rescate. more cu one unidad of bombero y several ambulance owing to present. all the time in the another car cu is esun cu owing to ocasiona the accidente was have one chofer. the chofer here was have one clip at cabez but was also much sober (=drunk). is deal of one man colombiano cu according testigonan owing to happen cu velocidad much high on the caminda of hill blanco. past owing to happen the testigonan at one form iresponsable direccion paradera y in the first bocht of hill patrishi past owing to go in part of direccion contrario y strike frontal. police owing to detene the chofer here cu owing to achieve also one good zundra of the testigonan cu owing to mire core as loco. past owing to happen they y till even hera strike in they on the caminda first cu past owing to ocasiona the desgracia. one overall of three person owing to go hospital. also the chofer colombiano cu owing to ocasiona the desgracia after have to owing to go hospital mirando cu the was have one clip open at his forehead.

I saw that one. He had his shirt off and was spitting blood out of his mouth. eek!

Happy New Years from Aruba!!!! ::monkeywine2::

Put on your helmets.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: carpe noctem on January 01, 2011, 02:54:27 AM
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/queenthronespeachforaruba.jpg)


Queen Trixie says:

All Roobans now required to wear "douchebaggehelmetwithchinstrappen" while driving.

It is written! Let it be heard.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: carpe noctem on January 01, 2011, 03:08:16 AM
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/arubandriver.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on January 01, 2011, 03:18:08 AM


Happy New Year, Carpe, and all the Monkeys in the Natalee thread.

 ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 01, 2011, 03:22:52 AM
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/arubandriver.jpg)
::MonkeyLaugh:: ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 01, 2011, 03:23:58 AM


Happy New Year, Carpe, and all the Monkeys in the Natalee thread.

 ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool::



Happy New Year, Sis!   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 01, 2011, 03:33:30 AM
Freddy, from the 2009 Contest, it may have already been posted.

http://www.caribbeanbartender.com/island/Aruba-2BarcardiBartender09.html

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Freddy/BacardiBartenderContest2009-logo.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Freddy/bacardibartendercontest2009-122a.jpg)

When I clicked on the picture it was HUGE, Freddy's face was as big as my whole screen...skeeeerrrrrrd me!   ::MonkeyShocked::  ::MonkeyEek::

I downsized it to post.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 01, 2011, 04:21:37 AM
::MonkeyBike::

Happy New Years all Monkeys!

------------

http://www.facebook.com/titolacle?sk=wall

Tito Lacle
What is the news that most impacted you in 2010, good, bad, local, international.. anyone?
18 hours ago


Julia Renfro The FBI participating in entrapment under the pretense of extortion. If you can't trust the FBI who can you trust?
18 hours ago ·  2 people


Lee-Ann Cuba Asesinato di Poentje Castro, still can believe that he's gone.
18 hours ago ·  4 people


Renée Gielen Tito, I join Julia and Lee-Ann in the bad news.
17 hours ago

--------


May Julie Jules and Rene get "Poentje'd" in the twenty-eleven!

Because sometimes a piece of sh is best buried out in the backyard.

The deeper you bury it... the less the stink, you know? It's true.

I read it in the Farmer's Almanac, or something. ::MonkeyJnBox::

They really are sick beyond repair, as far as human beings can get.

Forget about Joran trying to rip Beth off for info on where he threw her murdered daughter away.

Forget about Stephany being viciously beat to death by Joran, right?

Julia and Rene want the FBI brought down. GMAB!

Keep the bananas coming in the 2011... we still have a lot of whipping ass to do.

-Justice for Natalee! ::HelloKitty::

Wouldn't want to leave out another one of the sicko's!   ::MonkeyRoll::
I would imagine Julia had some help with that statement, pretty big words there!   ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/Social%20Pages/12312010_TitoLacle_FBwall6.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 01, 2011, 04:22:58 AM
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Case/Natalee-Home.gif)

************ IN 2011 ************
::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: can on January 01, 2011, 06:53:01 AM


Happy New Year, Carpe, and all the Monkeys in the Natalee thread.

 ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool::



Happy New Year Bearly! 

Justice waits for Natalee and Stefany and we'll/I'll be waiting and hoping 'til hell freezes over, if necessary.

 ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: can on January 01, 2011, 06:58:50 AM
texasmom - Happy New Year to you and your family.  I appreciate your hard work and research.

Katgram - wishing you continued good health.

 ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: to all the Monkeys!



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on January 01, 2011, 07:15:35 AM


Happy New Year, Carpe, and all the Monkeys in the Natalee thread.

 ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool::



Happy New Year Bearly! 

Justice waits for Natalee and Stefany and we'll/I'll be waiting and hoping 'til hell freezes over, if necessary.

 ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyJustice::

Hi can!  Same to you.

Justice for Natalee and Stefany!



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 01, 2011, 11:09:31 AM
texasmom - Happy New Year to you and your family.  I appreciate your hard work and research.

Katgram - wishing you continued good health.

 ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: to all the Monkeys!


Thanks can!   ::MonkeyKiss::

Happy New Year to you and yours also!   ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 01, 2011, 12:14:49 PM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=5849&offId=0&offDate=2010-12

 ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/jacobs2.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/jacobs3.jpg)

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=5849&offId=0&offDate=2010-12

Papiamentu translation:

19 hora happen | fecha: 31/12/2010 | horario: 17:13

relaciona cu investigacion of one serie of atraco police owing to haci entrance hudicial at one adres at saliÑa we will follow informa

http://www.einformante.com/Policial/dos-ruman-webb-ta-wordo-deteni-aawe-marduga-como-sopechosonan-di-atrac/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2026%20122010/12312010_Webbarrests.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

two rumannan webb is wordo deteni today marduga because; sopechosonan of atraco

oranjestad- today marduga team of aresto owing to is haci detencion of conocidonan of police esta the two rumannan webb cu is wordo sopecha of owing to comete several atraco in ultimo time. near of they police owing to take away two another person for pasina can owing to achieve more informacion tocante the casonan here.



http://www.fact-archive.com/encyclopedia/Papiamento

Rumannan = brothers & sisters



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: kkthy on January 01, 2011, 04:00:07 PM
Happy New Year to everyone here.  My wish for the new year is that the Holloway family finds answers and closure.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: klaasend on January 01, 2011, 05:08:43 PM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/jan/01/tv-shows-highlight-geezer-bandit-and-mcstay-family/

TV shows highlight Geezer Bandit and McStay family mysteries


By Kristina Davis, UNION-TRIBUNE

Saturday, January 1, 2011 at 11:58 a.m.


SAN DIEGO — Two of San Diego County’s biggest mysteries — the identity of the Geezer Bandit and the location of the missing McStay family — will be in the national spotlight in the coming days in an effort to generate new leads.

On Saturday, Fox’s “America’s Most Wanted” will profile the Geezer, the geriatric-looking bank robber who has hit 12 banks and remains at large.

And on Monday, Investigation Discovery’s “Disappeared” will feature the McStays, the Fallbrook family of four who vanished from their home Feb. 4.

Both cases have captured the public’s interest over the past year and resulted in intensive law enforcement investigations.

The Geezer Bandit

The prolific bank robber who sometimes carries an oxygen tank during heists has struck 10 San Diego County banks, as well as one in Temecula and another in Bakersfield, between Aug. 28, 2009, and Nov. 12, 2010.

He often brandishes a handgun. FBI investigators are exploring the possibility that the Geezer is not old, but wearing an elaborate disguise.

A reward of up to $20,000 is being offered for information leading to his arrest.

The “America’s Most Wanted” episode will air 9 p.m. Saturday on KSWB-FOX, Channel 5, followed by the FBI’s local version of the show, “San Diego’s Most Wanted.”

The McStays

The family of four appears to have vanished suddenly, leaving behind a carton of eggs on the kitchen counter and their child’s asthma medicine in their Isuzu Trooper, which was found abandoned in a San Ysidro parking lot near the Mexico border crossing.

No one has seen or heard from them since. Bank, cell phone and e-mail activity stopped the day they vanished.

Missing are Joseph McStay, 40; his wife, Summer, 43; and sons Gianni, 4, and Joseph Jr., 3.

Possible breaks in the case that led investigators to Mexico were never confirmed.

While the case remains open, authorities say all leads have dried up. Veteran sheriff’s investigators say they’ve never seen a case quite like it.

Crews from “Disappeared” came to San Diego County in September to film interviews with detectives and family. The show will air 10 p.m. Monday and again at 1 a.m. Tuesday. Investigation Discovery can be found on the following channels: Cox 104, DIRECTV 285, Time Warner 214 and DISH Network 192.

“Someone had to have seen something,” said Joseph McStay’s brother, Mike. “You don’t go missing for almost a year, and people don’t just disappear off the map. It just doesn’t happen.”

The family is also preparing to highlight the case on Lifetime’s “Vanished.” Host Beth Holloway, the mother of Natalee Holloway, who went missing in Aruba in 2005, is expected to meet with Mike McStay next weekend. The case has already been profiled on “America’s Most Wanted.”

“There have been so many dead-end roads on this entire case, it’d be nice to put some closure to it,” McStay said.

For more information, visit mcstayfamily.com.


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Post by: texasmom on January 01, 2011, 09:28:04 PM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/26033-turista-a-bira-malo-den-avion-.html

Papiamentu translation:

tourist owing to become bad in plane

saturday, 01 january 2011 17:38

one tourist yegando aruba on the vuelo of new york cu jet blue owing to become bad in pleno vuelo. owing to ask presencia of ambulance cu owing to arrive aeropuerto at once for help the pashent. the do not the miho form for open year new, but at least we hendenan at aruba is haciendo all will possible for brinda the miho of we possible at the tourist.


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Post by: texasmom on January 01, 2011, 10:10:54 PM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/26030-feliz-cumpleanos-david-coster-.html#

Papiamentu translation:

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_thumbs/b.175.125.16777215.0...images.stories.news.2011.januari.jan01.david-coster.david-coster02.JPG)

feliz cumpleaños david coster

saturday, 01 january 2011 17:18

one celebracion festivo of cumpleaños for david coster did take luga at ruth’s chris steakhouse namarriott resort & stellaris casino. david owing to disfruta of the presencia of his beautiful wife jenn, miho amigo justin carson, also conoci because; primo (cousin), y his mother rona coster, while cu they all owing to saboria the delicioso prime steaks y cocktails. the equipment of the restaurant owing to malcria the cumpleañero y esnan present cu atencion already cu david recientemente owing to cuminsa work at marriott resort & stellaris casino because; the gerente of la vista & room service, y owing to aprecia the oportunidad for experiencia his same seno of work for of the sharp of view of one bishitante.


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Post by: texasmom on January 01, 2011, 10:36:53 PM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=5849&offId=0&offDate=2010-12

 ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/jacobs2.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/jacobs3.jpg)

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=5849&offId=0&offDate=2010-12

Papiamentu translation:

19 hora happen | fecha: 31/12/2010 | horario: 17:13

relaciona cu investigacion of one serie of atraco police owing to haci entrance hudicial at one adres at saliÑa we will follow informa

http://www.einformante.com/Policial/dos-ruman-webb-ta-wordo-deteni-aawe-marduga-como-sopechosonan-di-atrac/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2026%20122010/12312010_Webbarrests.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

two rumannan webb is wordo deteni today marduga because; sopechosonan of atraco

oranjestad- today marduga team of aresto owing to is haci detencion of conocidonan of police esta the two rumannan webb cu is wordo sopecha of owing to comete several atraco in ultimo time. near of they police owing to take away two another person for pasina can owing to achieve more informacion tocante the casonan here.

http://www.fact-archive.com/encyclopedia/Papiamento

Rumannan = brothers & sisters


Another one of the Webb brothers in this article.  He'd resisted arrest and in the process of the arrest something happened to his eye (I think).  He was complaining of pain so they took him to the hospital for an xray.

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/26017-sospechoso-di-atraco-a-resisti-detencion-y-a-haya-danjo-personal.html

Papiamentu translation:

sospechoso of atraco owing to resisti detencion y owing to achieve danjo personal

friday, 31 december 2010 19:59

in the razzia cu did take lugar at salinja diabierna morning was have one of the rumannan webb cu owing to resisti his detencion. dimes the personal of arestatie team cu is so good entrena do not bacila in casonan so. they seguridad is go first hour of detene delicuentenan. in the caso here is talk of sospechosonan envolvi in atraconan arm. esey is more motibo for her entrance of team of aresto in the cas march his caminda corecto. so self was have one of the rumannan webb cu owing to go try his suerte by of resisti. this owing to salie of bad. past owing to being take away keep cu eye tapa. dimes tiro will habrie behind trali. in oranan of afternoon the was close at keep of san nicolas y was kehando of dolornan at custia. pesey self owing to ask presencia of one ambulance for present at keep. owing to go cune hospital for so the saca x-ray of his custia. important is for hour team of aresto enter do you cas corda follow instruccion because if do you rebeldia the is salibo of bad as the situation here at salinja.

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2010.december.dec31.detenido-salinja-malo.DSC_2864.JPG)


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Post by: msmarple on January 01, 2011, 10:48:05 PM
Happy New Year! Thanks to all of you for hanging in there.

I hope (once again) that this will be the year Natalee comes home.


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Post by: texasmom on January 01, 2011, 11:57:13 PM
http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=712

Ling & Sons Fireworks Show 2010

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Dolphi%20Richardson/12312010_LingandSonsFireworksShow.jpg)


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Post by: texasmom on January 01, 2011, 11:58:08 PM
Happy New Year! Thanks to all of you for hanging in there.

I hope (once again) that this will be the year Natalee comes home.

Happy New Year msmarple!   ::MonkeyDance::


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Post by: texasmom on January 02, 2011, 12:19:50 AM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-marbella-top-stories-20110101,0,4972876,full.story

The year 2010, for better or verse
A rhyme for some moments in time


By Jean Marbella, The Baltimore Sun
4:30 p.m. EST, January 1, 2011

I love lists.

Specifically, those end-of-the-year, beginning-of-a-new-one lists. What's in, what's out. What were the biggest stories of last year, what to watch for in the coming one. Which celebs went through which stations of their particular crosses: who married, divorced, got arrested, gave birth, adopted or died.

I love 'em for their found poetry — all these disparate events and people, tossed together simply by accident of the calendar. This is particularly true of news stories, I found, when I asked one of our baltimoresun.com gurus to find which articles on the website got the most hits in 2010.

Most clicked-on doesn't mean most important, of course, and some stories get a big boost because they're linked to other sites or come up on popular searches (say, for long-missing Aruba vacationer Natalee Holloway).

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Post by: crazybabyborg on January 02, 2011, 01:12:18 AM
Is anyone watching HLN? It's a run through of the news as it occurred in Natalee's case. It's actually really interesting.........


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Post by: crazybabyborg on January 02, 2011, 01:16:04 AM
It's weird how early it was reported that one of the suspects allegedly confessed that Natalee's body had been dumped in a swamp on the island. That happened when the security guards were released.


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Post by: klaasend on January 02, 2011, 01:18:37 AM
It's weird how early it was reported that one of the suspects allegedly confessed that Natalee's body had been dumped in a swamp on the island. That happened when the security guards were released.

Did they say dumped in the swamp?  I remember that one of the suspects was leading ALE to the body and I assumed it was near the Lighthouse.  I thought Dave H headed towards the lighthouse that night? 


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Post by: crazybabyborg on January 02, 2011, 01:22:13 AM
It's weird how early it was reported that one of the suspects allegedly confessed that Natalee's body had been dumped in a swamp on the island. That happened when the security guards were released.

Did they say dumped in the swamp?  I remember that one of the suspects was leading ALE to the body and I assumed it was near the Lighthouse.  I thought Dave H headed towards the lighthouse that night? 

Yes. They specifically said her body had been dumped in a swamp on the island. They didn't say which suspect had confess, but K2 and Joran were all being questioned.


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Post by: crazybabyborg on January 02, 2011, 01:25:25 AM
Klaas? I had also forgotten that fishermen had reported that a white Suzuki had been on the beach that night, during the time frame, near the huts and that a vehicle of that description had been confiscated at the VDS house. The fishermen said the car was there for 30-40 minutes and it was "unusual".


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Post by: crazybabyborg on January 02, 2011, 01:27:26 AM
If anyone is watching, are they in the water near where the crab trap was found?


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Post by: klaasend on January 02, 2011, 01:28:51 AM
Klaas? I had also forgotten that fishermen had reported that a white Suzuki had been on the beach that night, during the time frame, near the huts and that a vehicle of that description had been confiscated at the VDS house. The fishermen said the car was there for 30-40 minutes and it was "unusual".

I forgot that too.  I need to call it a night but I'll see if someone uploaded to Youtube or see if I can find the transcript tomorrow.

Thanks CBB - night!


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Post by: Bearlyhere on January 02, 2011, 01:31:06 AM
Happy New Year! Thanks to all of you for hanging in there.

I hope (once again) that this will be the year Natalee comes home.

Hi Ms. Marple, Happy New Year!

To hear of an injustice and do nothing, adds to the injustice.  May you be correct in your hope of Natalee returning home this year.  We have not forgotten!



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Post by: crazybabyborg on January 02, 2011, 01:31:24 AM
It looks like this may repeat again. I'll record it and watch again if it does. I didn't catch the beginning.


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Post by: crazybabyborg on January 02, 2011, 01:32:11 AM
Klaas? I had also forgotten that fishermen had reported that a white Suzuki had been on the beach that night, during the time frame, near the huts and that a vehicle of that description had been confiscated at the VDS house. The fishermen said the car was there for 30-40 minutes and it was "unusual".

I forgot that too.  I need to call it a night but I'll see if someone uploaded to Youtube or see if I can find the transcript tomorrow.

Thanks CBB - night!

Night Klaas! Sleep Well!!  ::MonkeyKiss::


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Post by: texasmom on January 02, 2011, 01:33:59 AM
Is it on Nancy Grace?  If so I'm recording it.


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Post by: texasmom on January 02, 2011, 01:35:22 AM
Klaas? I had also forgotten that fishermen had reported that a white Suzuki had been on the beach that night, during the time frame, near the huts and that a vehicle of that description had been confiscated at the VDS house. The fishermen said the car was there for 30-40 minutes and it was "unusual".

I forgot that too.  I need to call it a night but I'll see if someone uploaded to Youtube or see if I can find the transcript tomorrow.

Thanks CBB - night!

Good night Klaas!   ::MonkeyKiss::


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Post by: Bearlyhere on January 02, 2011, 01:36:15 AM
It looks like this may repeat again. I'll record it and watch again if it does. I didn't catch the beginning.

Thanks, CBB!

Night, Klaas!

::dogwag:: ::dogwag::



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Post by: Bearlyhere on January 02, 2011, 01:37:26 AM
Is it on Nancy Grace?  If so I'm recording it.

Thanks, Sis!

 ::MonkeyCool::



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Post by: crazybabyborg on January 02, 2011, 01:46:51 AM
Yes............ it's Nancy Grace! Sorry! I stepped away a minute to make coffee!


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Post by: crazybabyborg on January 02, 2011, 01:48:34 AM
Is it on Nancy Grace?  If so I'm recording it.

TM? The early part of the show wasn't all the Nancy Grace show, but yes, it's her slot on HLN. GOOD! I'm glad you're recording it!!


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Post by: crazybabyborg on January 02, 2011, 01:50:20 AM
It looks like this may repeat again. I'll record it and watch again if it does. I didn't catch the beginning.

Thanks, CBB!

Night, Klaas!

::dogwag:: ::dogwag::



Hi Miss Bear!!   ::piggy::

TM? Did you remember the Suzuki on the beach?


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Post by: crazybabyborg on January 02, 2011, 01:52:38 AM
They've been on the jawbone now and more recent news. I swear, I have absolutely no confidence at all in their report that the bone was not Natalee's.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


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Post by: texasmom on January 02, 2011, 02:02:07 AM
It looks like this may repeat again. I'll record it and watch again if it does. I didn't catch the beginning.

Thanks, CBB!

Night, Klaas!

::dogwag:: ::dogwag::



Hi Miss Bear!!   ::piggy::

TM? Did you remember the Suzuki on the beach?

Yes, I remember the fishermen reporting it...but I'm vague on the rest.  There was a lot of discussion about it iirc.


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Post by: crazybabyborg on January 02, 2011, 02:09:50 AM
You've got a good memory, TM!!   ::MonkeyDance::

I had forgotten it! They said a vehicle of that description was confiscated at the VDS home. Did it belong to Paulus?


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Post by: texasmom on January 02, 2011, 02:10:10 AM
Seeing van der Straaten just makes me mad all over again!  I'd forgotten what is voice sounded like.
 ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


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Post by: texasmom on January 02, 2011, 02:10:43 AM
Seeing van der Straaten just makes me mad all over again!  I'd forgotten what his voice sounded like.
 ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


self edit


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 02, 2011, 02:13:38 AM
Seeing van der Straaten just makes me mad all over again!  I'd forgotten what is voice sounded like.
 ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


I KNOW!!!! I had the same visceral reaction!!! 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 02, 2011, 02:16:12 AM
You've got a good memory, TM!!   ::MonkeyDance::

I had forgotten it! They said a vehicle of that description was confiscated at the VDS home. Did it belong to Paulus?

The only vehicle similar I remember was the red jeep like vehicle, with a white top.

(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/VDSVEHICLE3.jpg)



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Post by: texasmom on January 02, 2011, 02:18:35 AM
And I remember it being discussed that the front passenger seat was missing in the jeep.  I don't remember where that info came from though.


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Post by: crazybabyborg on January 02, 2011, 02:22:04 AM
I've got some dog wrestling to do before I go to bed. I'd like to be settled before this comes on again......... let's see how much of a reality that becomes!  :smt100

If I get back tonight, I've given up finding a place on the bed with a Shar Pei and a HUGE Bull Mastiff whose head weighs more than my leg! My son OWES me for this babysitting duty!!   ::rhino:: "Bubba" likes to lay that Big Ole' Head ON me when he sleeps, and I'm pinned!!!

Night TM!! Thanks for the help!!   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 02, 2011, 02:31:35 AM
You've got a good memory, TM!!   ::MonkeyDance::

I had forgotten it! They said a vehicle of that description was confiscated at the VDS home. Did it belong to Paulus?

The only vehicle similar I remember was the red jeep like vehicle, with a white top.

(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/VDSVEHICLE3.jpg)


At night I think the white top would be noticed before the red body.  jmo

These are the other snapshots I took from a video of the Vandersloot vehicles being taken in.

(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/VDSVEHICLE6.jpg)

(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/VDSVEHICLE1.jpg)

(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/VDSVEHICLE5.jpg)

(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/VDSVEHICLE2.jpg)


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Post by: texasmom on January 02, 2011, 02:34:43 AM
I've got some dog wrestling to do before I go to bed. I'd like to be settled before this comes on again......... let's see how much of a reality that becomes!  :smt100

If I get back tonight, I've given up finding a place on the bed with a Shar Pei and a HUGE Bull Mastiff whose head weighs more than my leg! My son OWES me for this babysitting duty!!   ::rhino:: "Bubba" likes to lay that Big Ole' Head ON me when he sleeps, and I'm pinned!!!

Night TM!! Thanks for the help!!   ::MonkeyKiss::
::MonkeyHaHa::


Good night CBB!  You're a good momma!   ::MonkeyKiss::


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Post by: Tamikosmom on January 02, 2011, 02:50:12 AM
It's weird how early it was reported that one of the suspects allegedly confessed that Natalee's body had been dumped in a swamp on the island. That happened when the security guards were released.

Did they say dumped in the swamp?  I remember that one of the suspects was leading ALE to the body and I assumed it was near the Lighthouse.  I thought Dave H headed towards the lighthouse that night? 


ORANJESTAD, Aruba, June 12, 2005
Aruba Case Appears Stalled


Holloway's family rushed late Friday to an old stone lighthouse beside Arisha beach after Deputy Police Commissioner Gerold Dompig told The Associated Press that one of three young men in custody admitted that "something bad happened" to Holloway and was leading police to the scene of the alleged crime.
 
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/10/national/main700829.shtml




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Post by: texasmom on January 02, 2011, 03:17:07 AM
http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/A-YEAR-IN-REVIEW-Alabamas-Top-Ten-Stories-of-2010/VyV3yWvpMk6EJMGm1_OAGg.cspx

A YEAR IN REVIEW: Alabama's Top Ten Stories of 2010

Reported by: Kim Carapucci

Email: kcarapucci@cbs42.com
Last Update: 1/01 10:48 pm


2010 was a year full of headlines. Between Cam Newton, Gabe Watson, and Larry Langford, it's a year we won't soon forget…

     In January, the Crimson Tide kicked off the year, hailing a historic milestone that led Alabama to the national championship, defeating Texas, 37 to 21.

      Also, in Hoover, a massive fire at the Days Inn killed four college students. Investigators believe it all started with burning incense lit by the hotel's maintenance man.

     In March, Mountain Brook attorney, Major Bashinsky, topped our newscasts after he reportedly staged his own death to look like murder. In reality, he'd committed suicide. His body was later found in a pond at the Highland Golf Course.

      In April, Birmingham’s former mayor, Larry Langford, swapped his business suit for an orange jumpsuit, kick-starting a 15-year prison sentence for various charges, including bribery and conspiracy.

     Just days later, a coastal catastrophe ensued… BP's deepwater horizon exploded, killing eleven men and creating the biggest oil spill in U.S. history. Three months later, the leak was capped, but its existence is still wreaking havoc on the Gulf Coast economy.

     On the five year anniversary of Natalee Holloway’s disappearance, the man accused of killing her, allegedly killed Peruvian student Stephany Flores. Joran van der Sloot is later charged with extorting money from Holloway’s parents.

      Over the summer, we witnessed an exodus of sorts in Alabama’s casinos. Governor Riley's Anti-Gambling Task Force paved the way for raids across the state, including Greenetrack and VictoryLand. It created the seizure of thousands of gaming machines and the loss of hundreds of jobs.

     All the politics surrounding gaming eventually led to the indictment of eleven people, for allegedly buying votes to bring bingo back to 'Bama. Among those arrested were four state senators and two casino owners.

      Politically, 2010 is a year that will go down in history. For the first time in over 130 years, the GOP gained control of the Alabama Legislature.  In addition, voters elected Doctor Robert Bentley as our new governor.

      But he wasn't the only one making the headlines... Gabe Watson stole the show in December, returning to Alabama after an 18-month manslaughter sentence in Australia. Watson is accused of killing his wife Tina while scuba diving on their honeymoon in 2003.

     And, Cam Newton became a household name. The Auburn quarterback led his team to an undefeated season, but not without scrutiny... The NCAA questioned his recruitment after an alleged pay-for-play deal. Fortunately for him, he was deemed eligible, and soon after, named the 76th Heisman trophy winner.
 


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Post by: Tamikosmom on January 02, 2011, 03:25:14 AM
White Suzuki?  Red Suzuki?  Red Jeep?

PAULA ZAHN NOW
Idaho Girl Rescued; The Search For Natalee Holloway
Aired July 5, 2005 - 20:00 ET


DAVID MATTINGLY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Defense attorneys for the Kalpoe brothers tonight confirmed to CNN that testimony from fishermen telling investigators that they didn't see a couple matching the description of Natalee Holloway and Joran van der Sloot on that beach the night that Natalee turned up missing. What they are saying is that they saw a white Suzuki on that beach …

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/05/pzn.01.html


Paulus van der Sloot - Witness Statement - June 18, 2005

On May 29th 2005, at approximately 16.00 hours, I went with Joran to the “Free Carribean Stud Tournament” in the Holiday Inn. During the break, at approximately 18.30 hours, I went back home. My youngest son Sebastian who was playing at a friends house was due to be dropped off at home around that time. Joran, with my permission, took over my seat because he had been eliminated earlier. We had agreed that he would call me after the tournament, in order for me to come and pick him up. He did indeed call me and at approximately 23.00 hour I picked him up near the Mc Donalds in Palm Beach with my red Suzuki. We drove home and I went to bed.


Paulus van der Sloot - Witness Statement - June 18, 2005

I dropped off Joran in front of the entrance of the Aruba Raquet Club with my Suzuki so that he could take tennis lessons and go to the gym. He probably had his carrying bag with tennis necessities with him. I saw him enter the building. He had told me that he would afterwards be going to the Wyndham Hotel because a “Free Carribean Stud Tournament” would be held. I immediately went home, had dinner with the other boys and after that I went to bed.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=237.0


Aruba Cops Search Dutch Suspect's Home
Wednesday, June 15, 2005


Two police officers walked through the Van Der Sloot family's one-story, yellow-beige home, while others guarded the entranceway. A blue sport utility vehicle and a red Jeep were also towed from the property

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159601,00.html


Natalee Holloway Investigation: Exclusive … Tim Miller of Texas EquuSearch in Aruba to meet With ALE/Prosecutor … New Witness That Puts Joran & Paulus Van der Sloot Near Ponds on 5/30/05
Posted September 10, 2008 by Scared Monkeys


We just recieved a call from Tim Miller of Texas Equusearch. Tim is presently in Aruba and planning to meet with the Aruban prosecutor and the ALE. It appears that there is a new witness that has come forward that has placed Joran Van der Sloot in wet and muddy clothing out at 4:00am on 5/30/05. The 48 year old Aruban witness also places Paulus Van der Sloot at the scene picking up Joran in a red jeep.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/09/10/natalee-holloway-investigation-exclusive-tim-miller-of-texas-equusearch-in-aruba-to-meet-with-aleprosecutor-new-witness-that-puts-joran-paulus-van-der-sloot-near-ponds-on-53005/


Posted 6/15/2005 1:33 PM     Updated 6/16/2005 6:45 AM 
Aruban police search home of Dutch teen


Aruban authorities spent several hours Wednesday searching the house of the Dutch youth in the upscale Noord neighborhood. They carried away items in paper bags and cardboard boxes and towed away a blue sport-utility vehicle and a red Jeep.

The search came a day after police combed a mangrove swamp near Holloway's hotel. Police suspended that search after pumping water from a drainage pond.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-06-15-missing-teen_x.htm


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 02, 2011, 03:31:17 AM
Dana Pretzer - February 13, 2008

Beth Holloway:  Jan van der Stratten is corrupt to the core of his existence.  He just doesn't deserve any more words..

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2008/02/13/scared-monkeys-radio-daily-commentary-wednesday-february-13-2008-tonights-dana-pretzer-show-to-be-one-of-the-hardest-hitting-shows-to-date/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 02, 2011, 03:49:26 AM
DANA PRETZER SHOW FEB 13, 2008 WITH BETH HOLLOWAY, PETER R. DEVRIES, AND MORE!

Transcript of the show:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6341.0


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on January 02, 2011, 04:04:39 AM
They've been on the jawbone now and more recent news. I swear, I have absolutely no confidence at all in their report that the bone was not Natalee's.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Due to the circumstances surrounding Natalee's death, trust will always be an issue, CBB.  Even when there are times the truth is told, it will always be suspect.  There is supposed to be some truth in everything.  What is the truth here?  How can we ever know?  Start out with the truth, and there is no reason for suspicion.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 02, 2011, 04:10:56 AM
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Case/Natalee-Home.gif)

************ IN 2011 ************
::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on January 02, 2011, 04:20:36 AM
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Case/Natalee-Home.gif)

************ IN 2011 ************
::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::



She's beautiful and so is the work surrounding her.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 02, 2011, 06:54:41 AM
I agree :)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: San on January 02, 2011, 08:38:14 AM
Me too.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 02, 2011, 09:15:35 AM
Me three.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: carpe noctem on January 02, 2011, 10:30:06 AM
Arooba Ariba Aruba 24 Newswire:

19 hora pasa | Fecha: 02/01/2011 | Horario: 15:54

Aruban Dumbass Drives Quad Racer Into Parked Jeep!


(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/arubapinkclownshoes.jpg)




In one of the first accidents of 2011, Tyrone "Rock de Microphone"
Maduro was riding his new quad racer that Sinterklaas brought him
for Christmas. The afternoon seemed to be going well until his brain
shot very big nasty buzzard and he started driving into the direction
of a parked jeep, for such a big crash to have.

"I couldn't believe I hit something that wasn't even in motion, bro! It's
quite the accomplishment. I just saw it and knew I had to drive into it.
I mean, it's a new year on Aruba, it's a great tradition for which we are
very proud." said Tyrone.
 
"To make crazy giant crash and then roll on the ground like an idiot.
It is the honor of all Arubans! Like the national anthem says: Aruba is like a rock,
and then you just keep driving into it like really uneducated dumbass."

He lay on the ground writhing in masha dolor much pain for thirty minutes
until a compassionate man in bright pink flowery clown shoes owing to come across
and give assistance.

Tyrone quote:

"The shoes were fun to look at and made me feel much better in a short time period,
the pink, it was glowing. Such very fly slippers, I must own a pair one day. I asked him
where he get? Trash by Ronchi de Cuba?"

A new year has started with a huge bang on Aruba! More news as it happens. Stay tuned!
Always more to come across and we have it, firstinan.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Buckeye on January 02, 2011, 11:59:49 AM
Arooba Ariba Aruba 24 Newswire:

19 hora pasa | Fecha: 02/01/2011 | Horario: 15:54

Aruban Dumbass Drives Quad Racer Into Parked Jeep!


(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/arubapinkclownshoes.jpg)




In one of the first accidents of 2011, Tyrone "Rock de Microphone"
Maduro was riding his new quad racer that Sinterklaas brought him
for Christmas. The afternoon seemed to be going well until his brain
shot very big nasty buzzard and he started driving into the direction
of a parked jeep, for such a big crash to have.

"I couldn't believe I hit something that wasn't even in motion, bro! It's
quite the accomplishment. I just saw it and knew I had to drive into it.
I mean, it's a new year on Aruba, it's a great tradition for which we are
very proud." said Tyrone.
 
"To make crazy giant crash and then roll on the ground like an idiot.
It is the honor of all Arubans! Like the national anthem says: Aruba is like a rock,
and then you just keep driving into it like really uneducated dumbass."

He lay on the ground writhing in masha dolor much pain for thirty minutes
until a compassionate man in bright pink flowery clown shoes owing to come across
and give assistance.

Tyrone quote:

"The shoes were fun to look at and made me feel much better in a short time period,
the pink, it was glowing. Such very fly slippers, I must own a pair one day. I asked him
where he get? Trash by Ronchi de Cuba?"

A new year has started with a huge bang on Aruba! More news as it happens. Stay tuned!
Always more to come across and we have it, firstinan.


Is that Renfro with her "cel" phone?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 02, 2011, 12:12:56 PM
They've been on the jawbone now and more recent news. I swear, I have absolutely no confidence at all in their report that the bone was not Natalee's.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::rhino::

Why the week long wait building up to the the announcement following the determination that the find was not Natalee's jawbone.  Why keep an anxious family waiting for a week clinging to a hope beyond hope that Natalee would be coming home.

Janet

++++++


FBI: Aruba studying missing teen’s dental records
Posted: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:30 pm

 
Paul Daymond, an FBI spokesman in Birmingham, Alabama, said the agency sent some records electronically Wednesday ….

http://www.bonnercountydailybee.com/news/world/article_0074a3f2-3def-5a9a-a652-c24cc179caa9.html


Natalee Holloway: Jawbone Not That of Missing American Teen
Nov. 23, 2010


The determination was made using Holloway’s dental records, according to a statement issued late this morning by the Aruba Public Prosecutor’s Office.

Aruban Solicitor General Taco Stein said shortly after the announcement that they could determine quickly that the bone wasn’t Holloway’s — the jawbone found on the beach had a wisdom tooth still attached and Holloway’s dental records showed the teen had had her wisdom teeth removed.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/natalee-holloway-jaw-bone-missing-american-teen/story?id=12222677


Friday, November 19, 2010
Natalee Holloway's mother issues statement on jawbone testing


Natalee’s mother released this statement today:

"There is no good answer, whether it is Natalee or whether it isn't. But no answer at all is the most unbearable. We appreciate everyone's loving care and concern and are anxious about the developments."

http://www.foxalabamanews.com/2010/11/natalee-holloways-mother-issues.html



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 02, 2011, 12:38:35 PM
Arooba Ariba Aruba 24 Newswire:

19 hora pasa | Fecha: 02/01/2011 | Horario: 15:54

Aruban Dumbass Drives Quad Racer Into Parked Jeep!


(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/arubapinkclownshoes.jpg)




In one of the first accidents of 2011, Tyrone "Rock de Microphone"
Maduro was riding his new quad racer that Sinterklaas brought him
for Christmas. The afternoon seemed to be going well until his brain
shot very big nasty buzzard and he started driving into the direction
of a parked jeep, for such a big crash to have.

"I couldn't believe I hit something that wasn't even in motion, bro! It's
quite the accomplishment. I just saw it and knew I had to drive into it.
I mean, it's a new year on Aruba, it's a great tradition for which we are
very proud." said Tyrone.
 
"To make crazy giant crash and then roll on the ground like an idiot.
It is the honor of all Arubans! Like the national anthem says: Aruba is like a rock,
and then you just keep driving into it like really uneducated dumbass."

He lay on the ground writhing in masha dolor much pain for thirty minutes
until a compassionate man in bright pink flowery clown shoes owing to come across
and give assistance.

Tyrone quote:

"The shoes were fun to look at and made me feel much better in a short time period,
the pink, it was glowing. Such very fly slippers, I must own a pair one day. I asked him
where he get? Trash by Ronchi de Cuba?"

A new year has started with a huge bang on Aruba! More news as it happens. Stay tuned!
Always more to come across and we have it, firstinan.


Is that Renfro with her "cel" phone?

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 02, 2011, 01:36:07 PM
Arooba Ariba Aruba 24 Newswire:

19 hora pasa | Fecha: 02/01/2011 | Horario: 15:54

Aruban Dumbass Drives Quad Racer Into Parked Jeep!


(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/arubapinkclownshoes.jpg)




In one of the first accidents of 2011, Tyrone "Rock de Microphone"
Maduro was riding his new quad racer that Sinterklaas brought him
for Christmas. The afternoon seemed to be going well until his brain
shot very big nasty buzzard and he started driving into the direction
of a parked jeep, for such a big crash to have.

"I couldn't believe I hit something that wasn't even in motion, bro! It's
quite the accomplishment. I just saw it and knew I had to drive into it.
I mean, it's a new year on Aruba, it's a great tradition for which we are
very proud." said Tyrone.
 
"To make crazy giant crash and then roll on the ground like an idiot.
It is the honor of all Arubans! Like the national anthem says: Aruba is like a rock,
and then you just keep driving into it like really uneducated dumbass."

He lay on the ground writhing in masha dolor much pain for thirty minutes
until a compassionate man in bright pink flowery clown shoes owing to come across
and give assistance.

Tyrone quote:

"The shoes were fun to look at and made me feel much better in a short time period,
the pink, it was glowing. Such very fly slippers, I must own a pair one day. I asked him
where he get? Trash by Ronchi de Cuba?"

A new year has started with a huge bang on Aruba! More news as it happens. Stay tuned!
Always more to come across and we have it, firstinan.


Is that Renfro with her "cel" phone?

Got that Black Tube Dress going on too!!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 02, 2011, 02:38:44 PM
Had extra booze over the holiday...put on a few :cool:


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: sharon on January 02, 2011, 03:57:15 PM
Arooba Ariba Aruba 24 Newswire:

19 hora pasa | Fecha: 02/01/2011 | Horario: 15:54

Aruban Dumbass Drives Quad Racer Into Parked Jeep!


(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/arubapinkclownshoes.jpg)


 ::MonkeyDance::

Good one  ::MonkeyWink::


In one of the first accidents of 2011, Tyrone "Rock de Microphone"
Maduro was riding his new quad racer that Sinterklaas brought him
for Christmas. The afternoon seemed to be going well until his brain
shot very big nasty buzzard and he started driving into the direction
of a parked jeep, for such a big crash to have.

"I couldn't believe I hit something that wasn't even in motion, bro! It's
quite the accomplishment. I just saw it and knew I had to drive into it.
I mean, it's a new year on Aruba, it's a great tradition for which we are
very proud." said Tyrone.
 
"To make crazy giant crash and then roll on the ground like an idiot.
It is the honor of all Arubans! Like the national anthem says: Aruba is like a rock,
and then you just keep driving into it like really uneducated dumbass."

He lay on the ground writhing in masha dolor much pain for thirty minutes
until a compassionate man in bright pink flowery clown shoes owing to come across
and give assistance.

Tyrone quote:

"The shoes were fun to look at and made me feel much better in a short time period,
the pink, it was glowing. Such very fly slippers, I must own a pair one day. I asked him
where he get? Trash by Ronchi de Cuba?"

A new year has started with a huge bang on Aruba! More news as it happens. Stay tuned!
Always more to come across and we have it, firstinan.


Is that Renfro with her "cel" phone?



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: klaasend on January 02, 2011, 05:20:58 PM
(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1...images.stories.news.2011.januari.jan02.Boa.jpg)

Di dos accion nacional di captura di Boa : 9 januari 2011
     
Sunday, 02 January 2011 17:14 
 
E di dos accion nacional di captura di Boa Constrictor lo tuma lugar riba 9 di januari 2011. E actividad aki lo tuma lugar den Colony di 8:00 te 11:00 A.M. E lugar di topa ta banda di e borchi grandi di Valero. Riba 5 di januari 2011 tin un anochi di training planea con pa captura boa. Esaki lo tuma lugar na Centro di Bario Lago Heights di 8:00 te 9:00 P.M.   E taskforce ta haci un apelacion na un y tur cu kier yuda duna un man cu e situacion problematico aki pa registra na boa.taskforce@gmail.com. Preguntanan tambe por wordo manda na e email aki. E Boa Constrictor Taskforce a wordo institui dor di e Ministro di Integracion, Infrastructura y Medio Ambiente, Bennie Sevinger, pa yuda tene e cantidad di boa den nos naturalesa mas abao cu ta posibel. E boa ta un especie invasivo cu ta causando danjo na e fauna di Aruba. Un estimacion conservativo ta encera cu na 2010 e boa a come mas cu 17.000 parha na Aruba. E prome actividad nacional di captura di boa a wordo teni riba dia 12 di december 2010. Mas cu 120 voluntario a participa den e accion aki. E taskforce ta hopi contento cu e cantidad di voluntario cu a participa y ta spera cu e cantidad di voluntario pa yuda captura boa na e siguiente actividadnan lo bai keda subi. Durante e anochi di training di captura di boa, instruccion lo wordo duna con pa identifica e diferente typo di colebra na Aruba y con pa captura boa na un manera hopi facil.

Through translator:
Reporter caught pole dancing

Julia Renfro, so called reporter for the fluff paper Bondia Aruba and Aruba Today, is seen in her normal occupation as a pole dancer.  You can catch her at 8 or 11am as she climbs out of the Bario at Lago Heights.

Come accross...

 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 02, 2011, 05:27:48 PM
 ::rhino:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: klaasend on January 02, 2011, 06:46:03 PM
Looks like some date changes:
https://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/OnlineServices/CivilImages/index.asp

Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW
Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Future Hearings
03/11/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion for Summary Judgment ((c/f 1-6-11))

04/04/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Final Status Conference (T/D 4-11-2011)

04/11/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Jury Trial (J/T 25 DAY EST.)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: klaasend on January 02, 2011, 07:14:04 PM
Looks like some date changes:
https://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/OnlineServices/CivilImages/index.asp

Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW
Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Future Hearings
03/11/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion for Summary Judgment ((c/f 1-6-11))

04/04/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Final Status Conference (T/D 4-11-2011)

04/11/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Jury Trial (J/T 25 DAY EST.)



(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/2011Jan/Minutes1.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/2011Jan/Minutes2.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 02, 2011, 07:20:24 PM
Thanks Klaas & anonymous donor of the trial documents.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: klaasend on January 02, 2011, 07:28:31 PM
Haven't got my watermark programs fully set up yet, lol.  Just converted to Windows7  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on January 02, 2011, 07:37:57 PM
Thanks Klaas & anonymous donor of the trial documents.   ::MonkeyCool::
 

Ditto!



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: klaasend on January 02, 2011, 07:49:14 PM
As much as we joke around about the K2 vs Dr. Phil case getting thrown out, we really do want it to go to trial.  I know in one interview JQK looked positively giddy when discussing the trial  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 02, 2011, 09:14:56 PM
Thanks Klaas, and anonymous Monkey!    ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyGavel::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 02, 2011, 09:54:47 PM
Thanks Klaas

Two anticipated happenings ... do not appear to be happening.  There is one encompassing the Stephany Flores case and ... the other encompassing the Kalpoes' defamation suit again Phil McGraw.

Janet

+++++


September, 2010

Van der Sloot: I've 'misused' Holloway case 'for my own advantage'
By the CNN Wire Staff
September 7, 2010 9:11 a.m. EDT


Also Monday, a Peruvian court voted 2-1 to reject van der Sloot's contention that he is being held unlawfully, but the court requires three votes to secure a decision. Alteza said that a fourth jurist will hear the case and cast a vote at a public hearing next week. If that judge votes in favor of van der Sloot, a fifth judge will hear the case to break the tie.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/09/07/peru.vandersloot/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn


December, 2010

Van der Sloot not Peru's most notorious prisoner
Last Update: 12/04/2010 9:33 am


Meanwhile, down the road at Castro Castro, Joran van der Sloot is still awaiting word his appeal to have his murder confession thrown out of court. His lawyers charge both coercion and procedural improprieties to his confession he murdered 21 year old Stephany Flores after she found material about Natalee Holloway on his computer. Flores corpse was found in van der Sloot's Lima hotel room five years to the day of Natalee Holloway's disappearance on a high school trip to Aruba.

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Van-der-Sloot-not-Perus-most-notorious-prisoner/WbjNq4sK0U6QzOspmsOJhA.cspx

 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 02, 2011, 10:51:01 PM
http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=717

Cache Deluxe - @ Westin Ballroom Pt2

(http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery/albums/2011/CacheW2/CacheW2%20%2856%29.JPG)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 02, 2011, 10:56:12 PM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/26057-diadomingo-anochi-10or-valero-ta-cuminsa-refina.html

Papiamentu translation:

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_thumbs/b.175.125.16777215.0...images.stories.news.2010.CHARACHTERS.valero03.jpg)

after of 535 day plat diadomingo night 9or valero owing to cuminsa refina

sunday, 02 january 2011 19:16

all trahador was cla at they lugar diadomingo for so keep the hour arrive y crudo cuminsa wordo refina. here is deal of the first phase of 15 plant cu owing to cuminsa procesa crudo. trahadornan of all departamento on field have to stay for keep for her instant unique here. the fornu was keintando y all cos owing to being calcula for diadomingo night the crudo enter the sistema. owing to introduci crudo in the unit. will cuminsa procesa at once 40 thousand sweep y for monday morning if is good have to arrive among 100 for 120 thousand sweep. for day 20 of january if is good the refineria have to can procesa among 250 for 265 thousand sweep for day. everybody is contento in the refineria y is gradici gobierno y assure mike eman y mike de meza for her trabao incansable for succeed bek the reapertura of the refineria. the refineria owing to succeed cuminsa refina bek 2 of january 2011 after of 535 day cu past owing to stop. is one overall of one anja y cinco month cu 18 day cu the refineria owing to stay plat. one pabien big at aruba cu the presencia of refineria valero. san nicolas is of party because the presencia of the refineria is place economia of san nicolas florece.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 03, 2011, 01:11:53 AM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/26071-valero-ta-den-operacion-atrobe.html

Papiamentu translation:

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_thumbs/b.175.125.16777215.0...images.stories.news.2010.CHARACHTERS.valero1.jpg)

valero is in operacion again!

sunday, 02 january 2011 23:47

after of some time of not was rafinando crudo more, today evening algo first cu 10or owing to cuminsa rafina again y smoke owing to cuminsa leave for of the pipanan at the refineria. although the was one evento cu everybody was anticipando, yet for her empleadonan today evening the was one instant very emocional....e refineria is operando bek. for much the was one dream, of cual esun was mir'e more factibel cu the another. but the berdad is also cu the recesion economico owing to obstaculisa the operacion sano of one refineria at aruba. is tell at aruba, because we self not have matter cousin y because; such is depende of cumpra crudo for of one another caminda. also have to as at cuenta cu valero casi do not produci none producto, but is rafina the crudo but after of we still have to mande for one another refineria for saca one producto end. is only jet-fuel y fuel-oil for web we is produci localmente. without doubt the relacion cu gobierno the time ey niether not owing to give for is more open for one solucion. gobierno the time ey owing to introduci bbo y owing to hinca one clausula in the ley cu valero also have to owing to pay bbo, although cu the do not sacando one producto end. the decision here owing to open one period of batayanan legal among the refineria y gobierno. at dado instant the relacion owing to become so bad, cu partidonan was talk cu another via prensa y uzando one language hostil y not of amistad. claro cu in one caso so, the decision is facil for take, esta of close the refineria by of stop operacion. the decision here take at san antonio had his repercucion for all we island. much business, big y diminutive, owing to feel one efecto, directo or indirecto, by of cierre of valero. but specialmente the negoshinan at san nicolas owing to abide more by of the miss of valero. is crea owing to impresion cu owing to subestima the efecto of the refinera in we economia. but negosacionnan acute after of cambio of gobernacion owing to trece one light at horizonte. chairman of valero owing to fly come aruba for negocia y owing to tell cu will cuminsa work on reapertura, but will have to owing to wait for on mehoracion in the economia mundial. but owing to tell of will inverti 50 miyon guilder in one "turn around" but cu after owing to costa the compania mericano on 90 miyon guilder debi at extra inversion cu have to owing to sosode among another in the plant of coriente. owing to place the date of 1 of september for open the refineria again but the date owing to happen bay without cu valero can owing to accomplish. so owing to stay pospone the date of aperture till cu past owing to arrive just first cu pasco but again not owing to sosode. for refineria valero seguridad is bay at first luga, then do not as none cuenta cu dianan special but more bien is enfoca on seguridad of the trahadonan y of the plant completo. cada times cu they was casi cla for "start up", is sosode algo cu is rekeri extra work y ahustacionnan. one experto owing to splica cu unabes cu "shut down" one plant of refina petroleum, is much ahustacion have to haci first cu can lant'e again. but today day 2 of january was so far again cu the plant is cla for enter one almost new. algo first cu 10or of night owing to send crudo by of the tubonan y owing to cuminsa cu trabounan of refina the crudo. at one principio owing to place the plant in one situation for refina 10 thousand sweep for day y some poco is hisando for 40 thousand sweep. is wait for cu for in week the will is on 100 thousand sweep of petroleum for day. valero at the momentonan here have 10 miyon sweep of crudo in his tankinan, cla for refina. the crudo owing to come for of rusia. this because still the compania mericano not owing to arrive at one acuerdo neither cu rubiales of colombia neither cu pvdsa of venezuela. for people of aruba, but for esun of san nicolas provided that particular, the news here is uno of hubilo y speranza. the is the type of news cu one people will wanted open cu ne monday morning, for know cu have cosnan good will happen in 2011 cu reapertura of the refineria here.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 03, 2011, 01:54:52 AM
(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1...images.stories.news.2011.januari.jan02.Boa.jpg)

Di dos accion nacional di captura di Boa : 9 januari 2011
     
Sunday, 02 January 2011 17:14 
 
E di dos accion nacional di captura di Boa Constrictor lo tuma lugar riba 9 di januari 2011. E actividad aki lo tuma lugar den Colony di 8:00 te 11:00 A.M. E lugar di topa ta banda di e borchi grandi di Valero. Riba 5 di januari 2011 tin un anochi di training planea con pa captura boa. Esaki lo tuma lugar na Centro di Bario Lago Heights di 8:00 te 9:00 P.M.   E taskforce ta haci un apelacion na un y tur cu kier yuda duna un man cu e situacion problematico aki pa registra na boa.taskforce@gmail.com. Preguntanan tambe por wordo manda na e email aki. E Boa Constrictor Taskforce a wordo institui dor di e Ministro di Integracion, Infrastructura y Medio Ambiente, Bennie Sevinger, pa yuda tene e cantidad di boa den nos naturalesa mas abao cu ta posibel. E boa ta un especie invasivo cu ta causando danjo na e fauna di Aruba. Un estimacion conservativo ta encera cu na 2010 e boa a come mas cu 17.000 parha na Aruba. E prome actividad nacional di captura di boa a wordo teni riba dia 12 di december 2010. Mas cu 120 voluntario a participa den e accion aki. E taskforce ta hopi contento cu e cantidad di voluntario cu a participa y ta spera cu e cantidad di voluntario pa yuda captura boa na e siguiente actividadnan lo bai keda subi. Durante e anochi di training di captura di boa, instruccion lo wordo duna con pa identifica e diferente typo di colebra na Aruba y con pa captura boa na un manera hopi facil.

Through translator:
Reporter caught pole dancing

Julia Renfro, so called reporter for the fluff paper Bondia Aruba and Aruba Today, is seen in her normal occupation as a pole dancer.  You can catch her at 8 or 11am as she climbs out of the Bario at Lago Heights.

Come accross...

 


 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::       ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 03, 2011, 01:54:54 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/06212010_PeopleMagazine_Beth2.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE AND STEPANY!
 ::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: billb's daughter on January 03, 2011, 03:23:07 AM
Wishing Happy New Year to all good Monkeys..... ::MonkeyAngel::
May 2011 bring Peace to Natalee's and Stephany's Family and love ones.... ::MonkeyAngel::
And Justice!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 03, 2011, 08:30:55 AM
Wishing Happy New Year to all good Monkeys..... ::MonkeyAngel::
May 2011 bring Peace to Natalee's and Stephany's Family and love ones.... ::MonkeyAngel::
And Justice!


Happy New Year to you, billb!  (http://bestsmileys.com/otherhol/3.gif)

And yes, I too hope in 2011, there will be Peace for Natalee's and Stephany's Family and loved ones.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 03, 2011, 11:55:44 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/12/31/grace.coldcase.bradley/?hpt=T2
Jawbone rekindles cruise ship mystery
January 3, 2011

(CNN) -- If the human jawbone that washed up on a beach in Aruba late last year wasn't Natalee Holloway's, whose was it?

Authorities continue to investigate. They say the jawbone is human and likely was from a Caucasian. It held a single tooth.

Ten people have vanished while vacationing in the Caribbean in the last 15 years, according to the Aruba Missing Persons website. One of them was Amy Lynn Bradley, then 23, who disappeared 12 years ago while on a vacation cruise with her family.
(snip)

(snip)
The Bradleys' complaint that that no one looked closely at their daughter's disappearance echoes the complaints during the early days of the Natalee Holloway investigation.

Holloway's parents also complained of a lack of urgency by the authorities when she disappeared during a senior class trip to Aruba in May 2005. To this day, authorities have no resolution as to what happened to Holloway five years ago.
(snip)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: kkthy on January 03, 2011, 12:43:59 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/12/31/grace.coldcase.bradley/?hpt=T2
Jawbone rekindles cruise ship mystery
January 3, 2011

(CNN) -- If the human jawbone that washed up on a beach in Aruba late last year wasn't Natalee Holloway's, whose was it?

Authorities continue to investigate. They say the jawbone is human and likely was from a Caucasian. It held a single tooth.

Ten people have vanished while vacationing in the Caribbean in the last 15 years, according to the Aruba Missing Persons website. One of them was Amy Lynn Bradley, then 23, who disappeared 12 years ago while on a vacation cruise with her family.
(snip)

(snip)
The Bradleys' complaint that that no one looked closely at their daughter's disappearance echoes the complaints during the early days of the Natalee Holloway investigation.

Holloway's parents also complained of a lack of urgency by the authorities when she disappeared during a senior class trip to Aruba in May 2005. To this day, authorities have no resolution as to what happened to Holloway five years ago.
(snip)

Thank you Muffybee,
My husband just this minute emailed me that same link and article.  I surely hope that they can put a name to that jawbone.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 03, 2011, 01:59:56 PM
AMY BRADLEY

Jawbone rekindles cruise ship mystery
By Rupa Mikkilineni, "Nancy Grace" Producer
January 3, 2011 -- Updated 1352 GMT (2152 HKT)


(CNN) -- If the human jawbone that washed up on a beach in Aruba late last year wasn't Natalee Holloway's, whose was it?

Authorities continue to investigate. They say the jawbone is human and likely was from a Caucasian. It held a single tooth.

Ten people have vanished while vacationing in the Caribbean in the last 15 years, according to the Aruba Missing Persons website. One of them was Amy Lynn Bradley, then 23, who disappeared 12 years ago while on a vacation cruise with her family.

Bradley and her mother, father and younger brother were on board the cruise ship "Rhapsody of the Seas." The ship had just left Oranjestad, Aruba, and was heading to Curacao, in the Netherlands Antilles, on the day she went missing -- March 24, 1998.

Bradley left her cabin early that morning, barefoot and carrying her cigarettes and lighter. It appears that she vanished while the ship was docking in Curacao.

<snipped>

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/12/31/grace.coldcase.bradley/?hpt=T2


Missing Persons

Amy Lynn Bradley *

Reward U.S. $260,000.00

Last Known Location:
Tuesday March 24, 1998 on board the cruise vessel Rhapsody of the Seas while en route from Oranjestad, Aruba to Willemstad, Curacao, Netherlands Antilles. Amy disappeared during the docking process in Curacao. Suspected Location: Unknown.

Amy may have been abducted and is possibly being held in South America or the Caribbean. A reward of over US $250,000 is being offered for Amy's safe return and a reward of US $50,000 for any information that leads to the apprehension and arrest of those responsible for Amy's disappearance.

Name: Amy Lynn Bradley
White Female
Race: Caucasian
Age: 23
Hair: Short Brown
Eyes: Green
Height: 5' 6"
Weight: 115 Pounds
Tattoos on:Left Shoulder, Right Ankle, Navel (Belly Button), Lower Back.
Hot line: +(804) 276 - 2204

F.B.I.: +(804) 777 - 3363

Relatives Main Line: +(804) 276 - 2204

Fax: +(804) 745 - 6133

Primary E-mail
Suspected Location: South America.

Website: Wetip

Website: Tggweb.com

Website: www.amybradley.net


Should you have any information you can email team Amy

back to Aruba News

http://www.visitaruba.com/about-aruba/aruba-news/missing-persons/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 03, 2011, 02:17:30 PM
They've been on the jawbone now and more recent news. I swear, I have absolutely no confidence at all in their report that the bone was not Natalee's.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::rhino::

Why the week long wait building up to the the announcement following the determination that the find was not Natalee's jawbone.  Why keep an anxious family waiting for a week clinging to a hope beyond hope that Natalee would be coming home.

Janet

++++++


FBI: Aruba studying missing teen’s dental records
Posted: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:30 pm

 
Paul Daymond, an FBI spokesman in Birmingham, Alabama, said the agency sent some records electronically Wednesday ….

http://www.bonnercountydailybee.com/news/world/article_0074a3f2-3def-5a9a-a652-c24cc179caa9.html


Natalee Holloway: Jawbone Not That of Missing American Teen
Nov. 23, 2010


The determination was made using Holloway’s dental records, according to a statement issued late this morning by the Aruba Public Prosecutor’s Office.

Aruban Solicitor General Taco Stein said shortly after the announcement that they could determine quickly that the bone wasn’t Holloway’s — the jawbone found on the beach had a wisdom tooth still attached and Holloway’s dental records showed the teen had had her wisdom teeth removed.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/natalee-holloway-jaw-bone-missing-american-teen/story?id=12222677


Friday, November 19, 2010
Natalee Holloway's mother issues statement on jawbone testing


Natalee’s mother released this statement today:

"There is no good answer, whether it is Natalee or whether it isn't. But no answer at all is the most unbearable. We appreciate everyone's loving care and concern and are anxious about the developments."

http://www.foxalabamanews.com/2010/11/natalee-holloways-mother-issues.html



Without FBI comparison of the find with Natalee's dental records ... without the confirmation of the tourists who made the find ... I will remain skeptical.

Janet

+++++

The Fish Trap Door was Open

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words


Kyle Kingman:  I got the OK to begin our ROV dive series for the 29th, so I made it our first dive. We got visual of the fish trap and that it was suspicious. Basically, the fish trap door was open  and there appeared to be a skull and torso-shape in sand on the door inside the trap.

Kermit


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 03, 2011, 02:40:48 PM
Looks like they were going to have a live press conference, then decided the information they were going to give didn't justify a live conference so it's been cancelled.

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/26082-transmision-bibo-di-conferencia-di-prensa-relaciona-cu-caso-di-asesinato-poentje-castro.html

Papiamentu translation:

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_thumbs/b.175.125.16777215.0...images.stories.news.2011.januari.jan03.poentje.jpg)

transmision bibo of conferencia of prensa relaciona cu caso of asesinato poentje castro

monday, 03 january 2011 11:42

update: the conferencia of prensa owing to wordo cancela debi cu the informacion cu will owing to bay give at prensa do not of the extenso cu is rekeri one conferencia of prensa monday nightfall for 3'or ministerio publico together cu police is jama one conferencia of prensa for so give one update on the investigacion of the asesinato of poentje castro. 24ora.com because; itv canal 49 will is transmitiendo this in form bibo y directo. for usuarionan of mobile devices (ipad, ipod, blackberry, android, iphone) cu conceccion 3g or wi-fi can connect also for see the transmision via http://mobile.livestream.com/24ora

comentarionan (1) mustra/kita

scirbi for mk, january 03, 2011
will is good for place people at height yet of the caso here cu have everybody enough preocupa. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: kkthy on January 03, 2011, 02:49:52 PM
They've been on the jawbone now and more recent news. I swear, I have absolutely no confidence at all in their report that the bone was not Natalee's.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

My friends are the tourists that found the jawbone and I recently asked her specifically if she remembered the molar being in the wisdom tooth position of the jawbone.  She confirmed to me that it was a wisdom tooth.  (I personally could not remember if it was the last molar or not.) Because she is remembering the molar to be a wisdome tooth, I feel pretty confident that the jawbone that they found was indeed the one that was passed on to the Dutch authorities for the investigation to compare with Natalee's dental records. 

I wonder if Amy Lynn Bradley's dental records have been sent for comparison?  I think I remember this girls name being talked about on these boards too.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 03, 2011, 03:10:41 PM
They've been on the jawbone now and more recent news. I swear, I have absolutely no confidence at all in their report that the bone was not Natalee's.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

My friends are the tourists that found the jawbone and I recently asked her specifically if she remembered the molar being in the wisdom tooth position of the jawbone.  She confirmed to me that it was a wisdom tooth.  (I personally could not remember if it was the last molar or not.) Because she is remembering the molar to be a wisdome tooth, I feel pretty confident that the jawbone that they found was indeed the one that was passed on to the Dutch authorities for the investigation to compare with Natalee's dental records. 

I wonder if Amy Lynn Bradley's dental records have been sent for comparison?  I think I remember this girls name being talked about on these boards too.

Thanks kkthy

For the sake of a measure of closure for the famly I hope the jawbone is being compared with Amy Bradley's dental records.  Amy's disappearance must be an ongoing nightmare for her parents.

Happy New Year!

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 03, 2011, 03:11:30 PM
They've been on the jawbone now and more recent news. I swear, I have absolutely no confidence at all in their report that the bone was not Natalee's.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

My friends are the tourists that found the jawbone and I recently asked her specifically if she remembered the molar being in the wisdom tooth position of the jawbone.  She confirmed to me that it was a wisdom tooth.  (I personally could not remember if it was the last molar or not.) Because she is remembering the molar to be a wisdome tooth, I feel pretty confident that the jawbone that they found was indeed the one that was passed on to the Dutch authorities for the investigation to compare with Natalee's dental records. 

I wonder if Amy Lynn Bradley's dental records have been sent for comparison?  I think I remember this girls name being talked about on these boards too.

The jawbone find was big news.  I would think the FBI would be responsible for that communication and the transmission of Amy's records electronically, just as Natalee's were.  There has been no news of this, that I am aware of.  Yes, Amy Bradley's case is very well noted and has been discussed here and elsewhere.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: kkthy on January 03, 2011, 04:11:26 PM
Beth Holloway will be speaking in Waterford, CT at the Waterford High School Auditorium on Thursday, January 13th at 7PM.

http://waterfordpolice.org/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=222&Itemid=1

Beth Holloway Presentation FREE EVENT       

The Waterford Police Department is partnering with Waterford Youth Services and the Waterford School system to present guest speaker Beth Holloway.   The presentation, which will be held January 13th, 2011 at the Waterford High School, is free of charge.  Tickets can be obtained at the Waterford Youth Services building, located at 200 Boston Post Road.  Further details are listed below. :::snip:::

 
pdf printable flyer:
http://waterfordpolice.org/cms/images/forms/bethholloway2_1.pdf

I tried to go back to the original postings to quote but the "quote" button/link kept disappearing so I went to the Waterford CT Police site and reposted the links above.  My co-worker already has the tickets so I'm all set.  She did say that there were only 200 seats left and that was at Christmas time. If I am remembering correctly, the capacity is 1500 at the Waterford High School Auditorium.  I'm just reposting as a reminder for those that may be able to go.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: kkthy on January 03, 2011, 04:31:01 PM
They've been on the jawbone now and more recent news. I swear, I have absolutely no confidence at all in their report that the bone was not Natalee's.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

My friends are the tourists that found the jawbone and I recently asked her specifically if she remembered the molar being in the wisdom tooth position of the jawbone.  She confirmed to me that it was a wisdom tooth.  (I personally could not remember if it was the last molar or not.) Because she is remembering the molar to be a wisdome tooth, I feel pretty confident that the jawbone that they found was indeed the one that was passed on to the Dutch authorities for the investigation to compare with Natalee's dental records. 

I wonder if Amy Lynn Bradley's dental records have been sent for comparison?  I think I remember this girls name being talked about on these boards too.

The jawbone find was big news.  I would think the FBI would be responsible for that communication and the transmission of Amy's records electronically, just as Natalee's were.  There has been no news of this, that I am aware of.  Yes, Amy Bradley's case is very well noted and has been discussed here and elsewhere.

I don't know anything about how the FBI works but I would think that they would have begun the process of investigating other missing persons cases and comparing records.  I haven't see anything at all since they determined the jawbone wasn't Natalee's.   :(


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: kkthy on January 03, 2011, 04:42:30 PM
:::snipped::::

Thanks kkthy

For the sake of a measure of closure for the famly I hope the jawbone is being compared with Amy Bradley's dental records.  Amy's disappearance must be an ongoing nightmare for her parents.
Happy New Year!

Janet

I'm a bit clumsy at these at these boards but I'm getting a little better.  Yes, for the sake of closure for the family I hope Amy's records are being compared.  The writeup at CNN quoted the parents as saying "We believe that our daughter is alive, but being held captive by someone."  I agree, this must be an ongoing nightmare for the parents to not know.... :(

Happy New Year to you too.  Hopefully this will be the year for getting some answers.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Blonde on January 03, 2011, 05:53:53 PM
Beth Holloway will be speaking in Waterford, CT at the Waterford High School Auditorium on Thursday, January 13th at 7PM.

http://waterfordpolice.org/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=222&Itemid=1

Beth Holloway Presentation FREE EVENT       

The Waterford Police Department is partnering with Waterford Youth Services and the Waterford School system to present guest speaker Beth Holloway.   The presentation, which will be held January 13th, 2011 at the Waterford High School, is free of charge.  Tickets can be obtained at the Waterford Youth Services building, located at 200 Boston Post Road.  Further details are listed below. :::snip:::

 
pdf printable flyer:
http://waterfordpolice.org/cms/images/forms/bethholloway2_1.pdf

I tried to go back to the original postings to quote but the "quote" button/link kept disappearing so I went to the Waterford CT Police site and reposted the links above.  My co-worker already has the tickets so I'm all set.  She did say that there were only 200 seats left and that was at Christmas time. If I am remembering correctly, the capacity is 1500 at the Waterford High School Auditorium.  I'm just reposting as a reminder for those that may be able to go.




You need to get your ticket in advance they will not mail it to you.
Did you get yours yet?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: kkthy on January 03, 2011, 06:19:58 PM
Beth Holloway will be speaking in Waterford, CT at the Waterford High School Auditorium on Thursday, January 13th at 7PM.

http://waterfordpolice.org/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=222&Itemid=1

Beth Holloway Presentation FREE EVENT       

The Waterford Police Department is partnering with Waterford Youth Services and the Waterford School system to present guest speaker Beth Holloway.   The presentation, which will be held January 13th, 2011 at the Waterford High School, is free of charge.  Tickets can be obtained at the Waterford Youth Services building, located at 200 Boston Post Road.  Further details are listed below. :::snip:::

 
pdf printable flyer:
http://waterfordpolice.org/cms/images/forms/bethholloway2_1.pdf

I tried to go back to the original postings to quote but the "quote" button/link kept disappearing so I went to the Waterford CT Police site and reposted the links above.  My co-worker already has the tickets so I'm all set.  She did say that there were only 200 seats left and that was at Christmas time. If I am remembering correctly, the capacity is 1500 at the Waterford High School Auditorium.  I'm just reposting as a reminder for those that may be able to go.




You need to get your ticket in advance they will not mail it to you.
Did you get yours yet?


Blonde,
Yes, I have the tickets already.  My coworker's niece brought them to her during the Christmas holiday so I'm all set. 

It's good for people to know that they will not mail tickets.  Thanks for mentioning it.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 03, 2011, 06:35:23 PM
Looks like they were going to have a live press conference, then decided the information they were going to give didn't justify a live conference so it's been cancelled.

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/26082-transmision-bibo-di-conferencia-di-prensa-relaciona-cu-caso-di-asesinato-poentje-castro.html

Papiamentu translation:

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_thumbs/b.175.125.16777215.0...images.stories.news.2011.januari.jan03.poentje.jpg)

transmision bibo of conferencia of prensa relaciona cu caso of asesinato poentje castro

monday, 03 january 2011 11:42

update: the conferencia of prensa owing to wordo cancela debi cu the informacion cu will owing to bay give at prensa do not of the extenso cu is rekeri one conferencia of prensa monday nightfall for 3'or ministerio publico together cu police is jama one conferencia of prensa for so give one update on the investigacion of the asesinato of poentje castro. 24ora.com because; itv canal 49 will is transmitiendo this in form bibo y directo. for usuarionan of mobile devices (ipad, ipod, blackberry, android, iphone) cu conceccion 3g or wi-fi can connect also for see the transmision via http://mobile.livestream.com/24ora

comentarionan (1) mustra/kita

scirbi for mk, january 03, 2011
will is good for place people at height yet of the caso here cu have everybody enough preocupa. come across

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/26082-transmision-bibo-di-conferencia-di-prensa-relaciona-cu-caso-di-asesinato-poentje-castro.html

Papiamentu translation:

additional comments:

scirbi for black therefore, january 03, 2011
my also is of opinion cu have to informa people ktk. people can owing to juda in the caso here y another caso but is wordo teni one near. time cu tawata have scanner people owing to know of juda police but now, nothing. +6 come across...

scirbi for kibrahacha, january 03, 2011
is tristo cu they're jama one conferencia, lie throw morning for we come for after tell cu not have nothing of meldo. polisnan not owing to suluciona just net nothing still of the caso here. rumores in the wandelgang of keep is circ*la cu the caso is bad stick. follow cu the good work polisnan. alolargo the will become one holloway part two!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 03, 2011, 06:55:04 PM

Blonde,
Yes, I have the tickets already.  My coworker's niece brought them to her during the Christmas holiday so I'm all set. 

It's good for people to know that they will not mail tickets.  Thanks for mentioning it.


kkthy

I am so jealous.  This is one speaking engagement that breaks my heart that I am unable to attend.  I believe that Beth's personal testimony in regards to how she has prevailed throughout the past five years of H--- ... will inspire others ... will change lives.

Hopefully a transcript ... a video will emerge.

Janet

+++++


Imagine

Beth Holloway - In Person and In Her Own Words


When her daughter went missing in Aruba, her life changed forever.  How does one muster the courage to persevere in the face of sheer adversity?  Do we all have the capacity to overcome tragedy?  How does one keep going?  You will be uplifed by the remarkable story of Beth Holloway.  How does she stay strong.  Imagine being able to apply her philosophies of courage, dedication, faith and strength to your own life.

http://waterfordpolice.org/cms/images/forms/bethholloway2_1.pdf


I Never Ask Him Why

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Pages 100
: I rise and make my way up the hillside to the next cross and the next one and the next, repeating my prayers.

I am looking to the sky, which is growing bluer as dawn breaks, and talking to God.  And as I reach the fifth cross, the answer to these prayers comes.  Complete peace blankets me, and I am still.  It's a familiar feeling, yet unknown to me like this before now.  It comes in total stillness.  Silence. And in this instant I know that Natalee is with God.

I understand that from the moment she got into Deepak Kalpoe's car her heavenly Father wrapped His loving arms around her and cared for her through whatever ordeal she encountered that night.  I don't know if she is alive or not, but I know that He is with her.

He entrusted me with her care for eighteen years.  Now I must trust Him to care for her.  So I never ask Him why.  Why Natalee?  Why me?  I don't ask.  To do that undermines faith.  Instead, I form an "acceptance trust" with Him there on the windy hillside.  God never questioned me when she was in my care.  I must not question Him.  I realize that He is as proud of her as I am.

Thoughts of Natalee's personal relationship with God comes to me.  He knows her very well.  And she knows Him.


Mom is Right; God is Good

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 103
: I think about what just happened, pondering the human spirit.  Apparently it can withstand a lot more than I every dreamed possible.  Mom is right; God is good.  All my life I've heard people of many faiths talk about "taking it to the cross and turning it over to the Lord" or just simply "turning it over.  Not the work that has to be done.  Just the burden.  I cast it upon Him so that I may be sustained.  And I am renewed, resilient.  Thankful for however long this resurgence in energy will carry me.  I will pick up one foot and put it down.  Then the other one will follow.  I will breathe.  There is much to be done.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 03, 2011, 10:54:14 PM
CBB

My avatar.  Could you please remove the pointsetta and ... the Christmas tree.  Just me, Ducky and the star will suffice.

Thank you.  You are appreciated.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 03, 2011, 11:30:29 PM
It doesn't say what this is in reference to, but it kind of sounds like something we've heard before. 

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=2

1/3/2011 Bondia Page 6

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Papiamentu translation:

contrario at rumornan cu owing to circula the end of week here autoridad not owing to detene none piloto aruban of compania local of aviacion

oranjestad – informacion cu one in end of week one piloto local of one aerolinea local owing to stay deteni owing to stay desmenti (not true). this for alto comisario of police dolfi richardson at the manutino here. the informacion cu was circula was show cu in end of week one piloto of one aerolinea local will owing to wordo deteni for autoridad debi cu the will owing to aterisa plane of the aerolinea here without cu the had permission. have informacion of another near cu is show sinembargo cu will owing to open toren of control after cu this was close, for permiti one plane of air ambulance aterisa. this niether akeda confirma. have much question rond of the caso here as that owing to permiti for her aeropuerto open, till for let one plane descend after of oranan (hours) “regular”. have much question cu owing to surgi the end of week here, as that is the come across



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 03, 2011, 11:38:03 PM
http://www.kansascity.com/2011/01/02/2556023/magnitude-71-quake-shakes-southern.html

Magnitude-7.1 quake shakes southern Chile

By EVA VERGARA

Associated Press

J. Bell

Map locates where a 7.1 magnitude earthquake has struck near Temuco, Chile

A magnitude-7.1 earthquake shook southern Chile on Sunday, prompting tens of thousands to flee the coast for higher ground amid fears it could generate a tsunami like the one that ravaged the area last year.

There were no reports of deaths or damage, and Vicente Nunez, head of the National Emergency Office, said no tsunami alert was issued.

"There has been no harm to people, no harm to property," Nunez said. "We will continue monitoring."

snipped

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/01/02/2556023/magnitude-71-quake-shakes-southern.html#ixzz1A2PfA2n8

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 04, 2011, 12:39:04 AM
It doesn't say what this is in reference to, but it kind of sounds like something we've heard before. 

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=2

1/3/2011 Bondia Page 6

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/MISC%20NEWS%2027%20012011/01032010_Bondia_pg6.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

contrario at rumornan cu owing to circula the end of week here autoridad not owing to detene none piloto aruban of compania local of aviacion

oranjestad – informacion cu one in end of week one piloto local of one aerolinea local owing to stay deteni owing to stay desmenti (not true). this for alto comisario of police dolfi richardson at the manutino here. the informacion cu was circula was show cu in end of week one piloto of one aerolinea local will owing to wordo deteni for autoridad debi cu the will owing to aterisa plane of the aerolinea here without cu the had permission. have informacion of another near cu is show sinembargo cu will owing to open toren of control after cu this was close, for permiti one plane of air ambulance aterisa. this niether akeda confirma. have much question rond of the caso here as that owing to permiti for her aeropuerto open, till for let one plane descend after of oranan (hours) “regular”. have much question cu owing to surgi the end of week here, as that is the come across



I'm thinking this is more than likely what that's about.  Didn't see anything about an air "ambulance" though.  Maybe it was just added in the "rumor".

http://www.awemainta.com/noticia/

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for evita sancion of icao contra of aruba departamento of aviacion civil have to investiga is kico owing to happen diabierna madruga, hour one avioneta owing to descend without permission

today is first day of trabao for majority departamento of govierno y one of they're open cu one “dolor of cabez”. we is referi here at departamento of aviacion civil for thing cu owing to sosode diabierne madruga at aeropuerto. cu the incidente here owing to stay demostra con fragil not at aruba is for cualkier atentado or even for haci one transaccion of drugs.

t so cu diabierne madruga one plane of aruba airlines, biniendo for of corsow owing to descend at aeropuerto of aruba, without cu the avioneta here had contacto cu tore of control, because as is conoci, this was close y none person owing to stay notifica cu had one trafico aereo at caminda for aruba.

the avioneta of aruba airlines so owing to descend, kibrando all reglas of icao. this t’e dolor of cabez cu departamento of aviacion is cuminsa cune today, for determina is kico owing to happen exactly y of con none controlador aereo not owing to stay notififca, p’asina sikiera give asistencia p’e avioneta can descend.

the capitan of aruba airlines owing to solicita the asistencia of tore of control? is question for contesta p’asina departamento of aviacion civil work his raport y take the medidanan necesario, because if icao have to know of the incidente here, the consecuencia is for aruba his maneho of miss of seguridad for like is aviacion general.

as owing to being tell this is owing to “big bang security breach” y assure one person will have cu carga cu the consecuencia here. we is prefera of not bay in more detayes, till hour cu we achieve know of the decision of part of departamento of aviacion civil. not have more informacion y assure does not perhudica the investigacion cu owing to cuminsa end. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 04, 2011, 01:33:55 AM
http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/2011/jan/04/tdmet02-parents-of-missing-chesterfield-woman-skep-ar-750815/

Parents of missing Chesterfield woman skeptical that jawbone found in Aruba is their daughter's

By MARK BOWES
Published: January 04, 2011

The parents of a Chesterfield County woman who disappeared 12 years ago while on a Caribbean cruise with family are doubtful that a jawbone recently discovered on an Aruba beach belonged to their daughter.

But just to make sure, Iva and Ron Bradley have provided the FBI with Amy Lynn Bradley's dental records. The Bradleys still believe that their daughter was abducted by someone aboard the ship during the family's vacation in March 1998. They also adamantly believe that Amy is still alive and being held captive.

"We have provided Amy's dental records because we follow every single lead of any size or nature," Iva Bradley said Monday in a brief telephone interview. "We're just doing what parents would do in following up and providing records. But we don't believe that's Amy's jawbone."

In late November, law-enforcement authorities determined through forensic testing that the jawbone did not belong to Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway, who disappeared in 2005 during a senior class trip to Aruba.

The piece of jawbone, which contained a wisdom tooth and likely was from a Caucasian, was found by an American tourist near the Phoenix Hotel, a resort on the western side of the island. It had washed up on the beach.

The Bradleys have been led to believe that the bone "is very, very, very old," Iva Bradley said.

"Aruba has over 200 archeological sites, and they've got all of their graves above ground," she added.

Amy Bradley was 23 when she disappeared from the cruise ship Rhapsody of the Seas early on March 24, 1998, as the ship docked at the Dutch island of Curacao after a short overnight run from Aruba.

The Bradleys believe that their daughter is still alive based on several reported sightings of their daughter over the years. The last was on March 1, 2005, when a woman reported she saw Amy in a Barbados restaurant restroom. "She was actually able to tell a lady in a restroom her name and where she was from," Iva Bradley said.

"For people that don't have any idea what it's like to be in a Third World country, and under (someone else's) control due to fear, it's not so easy just to go to a phone," Iva Bradley said. "We feel like she's either in human trafficking, or some type of gun trafficking, or the two involved."

The Visit Aruba website lists 10 people who have vanished while staying or vacationing in the Caribbean in the past 15 years.

mbowes@timesdispatch.com

(804) 649-6450


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: carpe noctem on January 04, 2011, 02:44:18 AM
Arooba Ariba Aruba 24 Newswire

Tuesday, 04 January 2011 02:56

General Manager Rob Smith of Aruba Raddison to hock shirts


After a recent brainstorming session, General Manager of
Radisson in Aruba decides to sell shirts and things to make
up for lost income, due to lost revenue from letting the murderers
go free in the Natalee Holloway case.


"Hey, a brother got to do what he got to do to keep the lights going, right?"
said Smith.


(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/robsmithloserinaruba.jpg)

Two beautiful shirts! One comes with snap on tie, great for business, $7. The other shirt, make you "tardy for the party?" Only 5 bucks!


(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/beerkoozie.jpg)

Hennie Quandt sell you big red beer koozie for your Balashi, $2.50.


(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/12piecedinnerwareset.jpg)

Donny Oduber has nice 12 piece dinnerware set. $10 takes it home.


(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/bigfunnysextoyinpinkbag.jpg)

Bunella Lacle has funny sex toy in pink bag surprise! You like for $9.50? Best 9.50 you ever spent. ::bananadance::


(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/blueberryscentedbathcandle.jpg)

Flacco Kooyman says you will love this blueberry scented bath candle for paltry $4.25.




(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/freegiftcertificateronacoster.jpg)

Rona Coster sell you one session of hot oil bath massage at her house. Only $15!
Everybody on Aruba has ridden the 'Rona Coster Ride' at least two times. Why else
you think Rob Smith smiling like this? Close your eyes and live the dream, esey.



Please come by and support the Aruba Radisson soon! Rob Smith says the added value is sure to spark renewed interest in turd ball island. "I mean, who wouldn't come for a
nice shirt or a spiffy beer koozie?" says Rob. Ah, what a nice way to enjoy a stay on
Aruba. It just keeps getting better all the time.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 04, 2011, 02:48:43 AM
http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/2011/jan/04/tdmet02-parents-of-missing-chesterfield-woman-skep-ar-750815/

Parents of missing Chesterfield woman skeptical that jawbone found in Aruba is their daughter's

By MARK BOWES
Published: January 04, 2011

The parents of a Chesterfield County woman who disappeared 12 years ago while on a Caribbean cruise with family are doubtful that a jawbone recently discovered on an Aruba beach belonged to their daughter.

But just to make sure, Iva and Ron Bradley have provided the FBI with Amy Lynn Bradley's dental records. The Bradleys still believe that their daughter was abducted by someone aboard the ship during the family's vacation in March 1998. They also adamantly believe that Amy is still alive and being held captive.

"We have provided Amy's dental records because we follow every single lead of any size or nature," Iva Bradley said Monday in a brief telephone interview. "We're just doing what parents would do in following up and providing records. But we don't believe that's Amy's jawbone."

In late November, law-enforcement authorities determined through forensic testing that the jawbone did not belong to Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway, who disappeared in 2005 during a senior class trip to Aruba.

The piece of jawbone, which contained a wisdom tooth and likely was from a Caucasian, was found by an American tourist near the Phoenix Hotel, a resort on the western side of the island. It had washed up on the beach.

The Bradleys have been led to believe that the bone "is very, very, very old," Iva Bradley said.

"Aruba has over 200 archeological sites, and they've got all of their graves above ground," she added.

Amy Bradley was 23 when she disappeared from the cruise ship Rhapsody of the Seas early on March 24, 1998, as the ship docked at the Dutch island of Curacao after a short overnight run from Aruba.

The Bradleys believe that their daughter is still alive based on several reported sightings of their daughter over the years. The last was on March 1, 2005, when a woman reported she saw Amy in a Barbados restaurant restroom. "She was actually able to tell a lady in a restroom her name and where she was from," Iva Bradley said.

"For people that don't have any idea what it's like to be in a Third World country, and under (someone else's) control due to fear, it's not so easy just to go to a phone," Iva Bradley said. "We feel like she's either in human trafficking, or some type of gun trafficking, or the two involved."

The Visit Aruba website lists 10 people who have vanished while staying or vacationing in the Caribbean in the past 15 years.

mbowes@timesdispatch.com

(804) 649-6450

Yeah, well................ I doubt it's Amy's jawbone, too. The circumstances around the big delay, build up, and then poof announcement have that all too familiar stench of "Aruba on Natalee" surrounding it. JMO.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: carpe noctem on January 04, 2011, 03:29:05 AM
ARUBA AHATA

http://www.ahata.com/AboutUs/BoardOfDirectors.aspx


Board of Directors - 2010
The board of AHATA consists of thirteen members elected in November of each year from the active, allied and associate membership. The board takes office in the month of February following the election. Only active, allied and associate members are eligible for a board position, while the positions of President and 1st Vice President are exclusively for active members. The board meets once a month.


Alex Nieuwmeyer
Chairman
General Manager
Divi / Tamarijn Beach Resorts


        
              
Paul Gielen
1st Vice Chairman
General Manager
Renaissance Aruba Resort & Casino



   
   
        
              
Warren Stanley
2nd Vice Chairman
General Manager
De Palm Tours



   
   
        

        
Javier Wolter
Treasurer
General Manager
Caribbean Mercantile Bank



   
   
        
              
Edgar Roelofs
Secretary
General Manager
Manchebo Beach Resort



   
   
        
   




Board Directors
        
Kevin Schawb
General Manager
Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino



   
   
        
              
Fred Hoffmann
General Manager
Hyatt Regency Aruba



   
   
        
              
Richard Roy
General Manager
Westin Resort Aruba



   
   
        

        
Jesus Cardoso
General Manager
Occidental Grand Aruba



   
   
        
              
Louis Phillippe
General Manager
Holiday Inn SunSpree Resort



   
   
        
              
Rob Smith
General Manager
Radisson Aruba Resort



   
   
        

        
Joe Najjar
General Manager
La Cabana Beach & Racquet Club



   
   
        
              
Ewald Biemans
General Manager
Bucuti Beach Resort


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 04, 2011, 03:55:53 AM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/06212010_PeopleMagazine_Beth2.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE AND STEPANY!
 ::MonkeyJustice::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 04, 2011, 09:50:23 AM
 ::MonkeyCool::  Good Morning!

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: SuzieQ on January 04, 2011, 12:35:26 PM
Don't know if any of you read the blog Women in Crime Ink. Some good posts at times. This one from Stacy Dittrich, predicting what will happen in 2011.

snipped:

Joran van der Sloot


Joran’s reign of terror will end abruptly this year when he is murdered under an air of mystery inside his cell at Castro Castro prison. The last person to see Joran alive will be his cell mate, Rico, after giving Joran a full-body massage and pedicure. After the autopsy reveals that Joran had stage 4 anal cancer, officials will close the death investigation because they determined he would’ve died anyway. His body will be donated to the Peruvian Center for Maniacal Mass Murder Studies.

snipped:


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: San on January 04, 2011, 02:12:33 PM
Giants and Jets looking to buy Italian soccer team AS Roma: report
Soccer Blog


Lewis on Twitter
By MARK CANNIZZARO and DAVID K. LI
Last Updated: 2:02 PM, January 4, 2011
Posted: 12:11 PM, January 4, 2011


Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/soccer/giants_and_jets_looking_roma_buy_o9mY8SY7g271c8Wz9r57JN#ixzz1A5y4dhid

Are you ready for some football?

Giants owners Steve Tisch and John Mara have teamed up with Jets owner Woody Johnson and are kicking around a plan to buy a controlling stake in Italian soccer team AS Roma.

The trio reportedly made an offer recently to buy the beleaguered team nearly three years after George Soros and New York lawyer Joe Tacopina put in an unsuccessful bid to buy the club, the Italian newspaper Il Manifesto reported today.

The newspaper reported that the dollar amount has not been made public as both sides try to hammer out a deal.

The Giants and Jets are co-owners of the New Meadowlands Stadium, which opened last year, and both teams worked together last year to bring Super Bowl XLVIII to the stadium in 2014.

However, a Jets source told The Post that Johnson is not involved in an offer and had no idea if there was involvement from the Giants.

An AS Roma spokesman did not immediately return a call seeking comment.

One of Italy's most popular teams, Roma is currently in fifth place in the 20-team Serie A standings and features former Italy striker Francesco Totti and Brazilian forward Adriano.

In 2009, Forbes magazine estimated the value of the team at $308 million.

AS Roma, which was founded in 1927, has won the Serie A title three times in its history, most recently in 2001.

Italian group Italpetroli holds a controlling stake in AS Roma, but creditor UniCredit de facto controls the group.

Russian media had reported in September that LUKOIL Vice President Leonid Fedun was interested in purchasing a controlling stake, but the company had no comment at the time.

Italian pharmaceutical magnate Francesco Angelini never put forward concrete plans for a takeover bid after saying he wanted to buy a majority stake in the club.

The club -- known in Italy simply as Roma -- has been seeking an outside buyer since last summer.

Unlike England's Premier League, where American ownership of major teams has become common, Italy's pro squads are owned by Italians, so the purchase by Tisch, Mara and Johnson would be the first of its kind.

The team plays its games at the Olympic Stadium, opened in 1930 and rehabbed for the 1990 World Cup, and like the Jets and Giants, shares the 73,000-seat venue with city rivals SS Lazio.

AS Roma club officials have said that they are interested in building a stadium and that new owners would have to commit to such a plan should a takeover occur.

In October, the Boston Red Sox, owned by by New England Sports Ventures, purchased English club Liverpool for $476 million -- the latest move by an American company to buy a soccer team in Europe.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: San on January 04, 2011, 02:13:24 PM
My guess is that Joe Tacopina ain't too happy  ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 04, 2011, 02:15:33 PM
My guess is that Joe Tacopina ain't too happy  ::MonkeyJnBox::

Thanks San!  That makes my day!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 04, 2011, 02:21:36 PM
My guess is that Joe Tacopina ain't too happy  ::MonkeyJnBox::

Soros' and Taco's bid must have been a joke.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: San on January 04, 2011, 02:22:10 PM
My guess is that Joe Tacopina ain't too happy  ::MonkeyJnBox::

Thanks San!  That makes my day!   ::MonkeyDance::

I had read the headlines and I had remembered that Tacopina was interested in buying a team and I went on to read and lo and behold that was the team.  Nice way to start the new year.  I guess he won't be doing this  ::MonkeySlide::  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: carpe noctem on January 04, 2011, 02:24:35 PM
I've been studying Papiamento for about 6 months or so... and I still have quite a ways to go.

... I know some basics, like how to find the bathroom, order a beer, and compliment someone's grandmother on her pushi bunita. (beautiful pussy cat)  ::MonkeyHaHa::

...and I'm realizing that this papiamentu to english converter is wrong A BUNCH!!!

It's no wonder people find it so confusing. come across

http://papiamentu.donamaro.nl/

Good thing it is free... because you're getting what you pay for when you use it. ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: San on January 04, 2011, 02:28:16 PM
 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on January 04, 2011, 05:04:44 PM
I've been studying Papiamento for about 6 months or so... and I still have quite a ways to go.

... I know some basics, like how to find the bathroom, order a beer, and compliment someone's grandmother on her pushi bunita. (beautiful pussy cat)  ::MonkeyHaHa::

...and I'm realizing that this papiamentu to english converter is wrong A BUNCH!!!

It's no wonder people find it so confusing. come across

http://papiamentu.donamaro.nl/

Good thing it is free... because you're getting what you pay for when you use it. ::monkeywine2::

So whose pushi bunita are you thinking about complimenting, Carpe?

 ::MonkeyJnBox::





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 04, 2011, 07:04:08 PM
http://amigoenieuws.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1157:tgo-voor-moordonderzoek-poentje-castro&catid=108:artikelen-aruba&Itemid=199

Google translation:

TGO Poentje Castro for murder investigation

Tuesday, 04 January 2011 8:41 p.m.

ORANGE CITY - The investigation into the murder of TV personality Poentje Castro is a Team Large scale (TGO) deployed. It is the first time that this happens in Aruba. TGO is a reason, says the Public Prosecutor (OM) that the case has no clear or unambiguous clues to identify suspects.

The Public Prosecution and the Police Force Aruba (KPA) would announce this past Friday during a news conference, said spokeswoman Angela Ann OM. The press conference was canceled, however, after some media chief Dolfi Richardson was told that, if not in substance would be changed to the study, they had no interest to the press conference at the Justice building Macuarima to attend.

During the first press conference on the day that Castro had been killed by the police and the public indicated that there is no substance of the matter would be discussed until the investigation is ongoing. Questions from the press were also not answered. However, it was clear that a special team of detectives to the case is put. That this has now been expanded to a TGO has, so let Angela out on behalf of Chief Jack Zondervan, due to the nature of the case. "It is not clear where the assassination of Castro Poentje is all about. There are no clear indications and no person that is a clear suspicion. "

TGO
A TGO means that the police, prosecution and the Criminal Investigation Team (RST) work on the basis of an established organizational model, when a very serious crime occurs (such as a murder or a kidnapping), with no clear who the perpetrator is. "This is such a case," says Angela. "The fact that a famous person was killed, also plays into it." The roles and responsibilities of the police and the public in a TGO thoroughly checked. The idea stems from the so-called Schiedam Park murder "in 2000, an innocent man convicted. Following that case, justice include the TGO was created to improve the detection. Early last month was the possible use of a TGO discussed at the conference Detection Renaissance Convention Center in 2010, where OM, RST and KPA were present.

No arrests
John Anthony 'Poentje' Castro (47) was on Dec. 23 death and with two bullet wounds in his garden found. Investigative journalist and presenter of the popular TV program "Un Dia Den Bida" was held last Thursday buried under much public attention. Since his death, the necessary speculation about a possible motive, but the police and the OM have no substantive ruling on the investigation. As yet there is no one arrested.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: klaasend on January 04, 2011, 08:26:17 PM
Don't miss the Dana Pretzer show tonight at 9pm ET:


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Post by: crazybabyborg on January 04, 2011, 09:33:38 PM
CBB

My avatar.  Could you please remove the pointsetta and ... the Christmas tree.  Just me, Ducky and the star will suffice.

Thank you.  You are appreciated.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet


Leaving it here for Klaas, Janet!   ::MonkeyKiss:: I'll PM her, too!   ::MonkeyWink::

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 04, 2011, 09:56:34 PM
Thank you CBB.

Janet


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Post by: Tamikosmom on January 04, 2011, 10:10:25 PM
Thank you CBB.

Janet

Thank you Klaas.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 05, 2011, 12:57:25 AM
http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20110104006837/en/Aruba-Tourism-Authority-SeaWorld-Parks-Entertainment-Vacation

January 04, 2011 02:36 PM Eastern Time

Aruba Tourism Authority, SeaWorld Parks & Entertainment and Vacation Outlet Sponsor the 2011 Boston Globe Travel Show

The Boston Globe Travel Show Takes Place February 11-13, 2011

BOSTON--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Aruba Tourism Authority has signed on as the supporting sponsor for the Boston Globe Travel Show for the sixth consecutive year. SeaWorld Parks & Entertainment and Vacation Outlet are lead sponsors, and Bermuda Tourism and TNT Vacations are contributing sponsors of the 2011 show, which takes place February 11-13 at the Seaport World Trade Center in Boston.

“We look forward to being part of the show again this year and educating visitors on all that Aruba has to offer, from ideal year-round weather and friendly locals, to world class resorts, exquisite cuisines and a wide array of activities.”

The Boston Globe Travel Show is the top-attended consumer travel show in the United States, attracting an affluent and educated audience from throughout New England. In 2010, more than 20,000 consumers and 2,000 travel trade professionals attended the show. More than $5 million in travel was booked on the show floor, across more than 250 exhibitors.

Aruba Tourism Authority has been part of The Boston Globe Travel Show since its inception in 2005. “The Boston Globe Travel Show offers us an opportunity to reach a large number of consumers, many of whom come to the show ready to book a vacation to Aruba. Many are actively seeking out information about the hotels and activities in Aruba, while shopping the show for travel specials and the best value,” said Colleen Lessard, Aruba Hotel & Tourism Association. “We look forward to being part of the show again this year and educating visitors on all that Aruba has to offer, from ideal year-round weather and friendly locals, to world class resorts, exquisite cuisines and a wide array of activities.”

The 2011 Boston Globe Travel Show will feature a variety of pavilions showcasing travel destinations from around the world, cruise specials, adventure travel, vacation rentals, vacation planning and packages, and much more. The show also will include cultural seminars, music and dance presentations, cooking demonstrations, express passport services and an array of activities for the entire family. For the second straight year, the travel show will feature “The Engagement Game” where one lucky couple will win an all-expense paid honeymoon.

Show attendees will learn about new and exciting travel opportunities ranging from budget vacations to luxury escapes, vacation rentals and much more. Those interested in booking a vacation will find great deals onsite. The three-day event features more than 250 travel exhibitors and suppliers, representing every segment of the travel industry and offering detailed information on trips to every region of the world.

Gold and Silver sponsors include Omni Mount Washington Resort, The Bethel Inn Resort, Cruise Travel Outlet, Essex Resort & Spa, Greater Portsmouth Chamber of Commerce and Poland Spring Resort.

Each sponsor will have exhibit space on the show floor to showcase its destination. In addition, many of the sponsors will offer cultural presentations featuring the music, arts or food of their regions. A full list of sponsor activities will be available online closer to the show opening.

The 2011 Boston Globe Travel Show will be open to the public from 5:30-8 p.m. on Friday, February 11; from 10 a.m. - 6 p.m. on Saturday, February 12; and from 10 a.m. - 4 p.m. on Sunday, February 13. Travel trade professionals are welcome throughout the weekend, with an exclusive trade-only viewing time from 3:30-5:30 p.m. Friday, February 13.

For more information about exhibiting at the 2011 Boston Globe Travel Show, visit www.bostonglobetravelshow.com or contact Liesl Robinson at 888/210-8895. To learn more about sponsorship opportunities, contact Ted Petersen at 617/929-7080.

About The Boston Globe:

The Boston Globe is wholly owned by The New York Times Company (NYSE: NYT) , a leading media company with 2009 revenues of $2.4 billion, which includes The New York Times, the International Herald Tribune, The Boston Globe, 15 other daily newspapers and more than 50 Web sites, including NYTimes.com, Boston.com and About.com. The Company’s core purpose is to enhance society by creating, collecting and distributing high-quality news, information and entertainment.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 05, 2011, 01:14:21 AM
http://peru21.pe/noticia/692348/2010-mirada-global-lo-ocurrido

9:18 WORLD | Sb 01 JAN '11

A comprehensive look at what happened in 2010

In the year ending, the world is torn between hope and tragedy, among the revelations and violence. A review of these events.

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Murder
Murderer of women. On 2 June, the murder of Stephanie Flores , 21, shook Lima. His body was found in a hotel room and it looks miraflorino the Dutchman Joran van der Sloot is responsible. After leak to Chile, the 23-year-old was arrested and deported to Peru, where he was held in the Castro Castro prison pending his trial .

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 05, 2011, 01:42:05 AM
http://peru21.pe/noticia/692348/2010-mirada-global-lo-ocurrido

9:18 WORLD | Sb 01 JAN '11

A comprehensive look at what happened in 2010

In the year ending, the world is torn between hope and tragedy, among the revelations and violence. A review of these events.

snipped

Murder
Murderer of women. On 2 June, the murder of Stephanie Flores , 21, shook Lima. His body was found in a hotel room and it looks miraflorino the Dutchman Joran van der Sloot is responsible. After leak to Chile, the 23-year-old was arrested and deported to Peru, where he was held in the Castro Castro prison pending his trial .

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http://e.peru21.pe/102/impresa/pdf/2011/01/01/241272.pdf

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 05, 2011, 01:47:16 AM
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/09/20/the-face-of-aruba/

http://www.diario.aw/2010/09/joran-por-fabor-basha-abao-pa-caba/

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 05, 2011, 02:49:07 AM
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: carpe noctem on January 05, 2011, 07:33:30 AM
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 05, 2011, 07:58:37 AM
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/09/20/the-face-of-aruba/

http://www.diario.aw/2010/09/joran-por-fabor-basha-abao-pa-caba/

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This is one of my favorite photos of Joran.  He doesn't looks so cocky in this one.  It's been said the eyes are the window to the soul, and in this photo, he has dead, flat eyes.  BTW  Has anyone else noticed how much Joran favors Paulus in this photo, particularly the nose/mouth area?

Then, look at the photos of Natalee and Stephany posted by texasmom.  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9031.msg1285200#msg1285200  Look at their eyes and see warmth and light.     ::MonkeyAngel::

All jmho.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 05, 2011, 09:34:29 AM
 ::MonkeyCool::

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Post by: antunym on January 05, 2011, 11:30:43 AM
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Carpe your too damn funny.  LMAO  I remember collecting those cards as a kid, but never dreamed of those names being on there haha.


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Post by: SuzieQ on January 05, 2011, 12:47:55 PM
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Thanks Carpe, Love it. A keeper for sure.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 05, 2011, 02:23:32 PM
Carpe!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 05, 2011, 02:24:45 PM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=5910&offId=0

Papiamentu translation:

6 hora happen | fecha: 05/01/2011 | horario: 08:43

damita young owing to drink clorox y owing to intoxica his self severamente, ambulance owing to transporte cu urgencia for hospital

diaranzon morning owing to enter informe of cu have one damita throw on acera near of kowloon in emmastraat, at once owing to dirigi ambulance at the sitio. at arrival of ambulance they're come encontra cu one damita cu is for of conocimiento y was saca, apparently ela drink clorox. at once they owing to place on the cama of ambulance y hibe cu urgencia for hospital. we will follow informa.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 05, 2011, 02:33:56 PM
http://www.slate.com/id/2279942/

"Alas, Poor Yorick ... or Is It Othello?"
Can you tell a person's race from his or her skull?


By Brian Palmer
Posted Tuesday, Jan. 4, 2011, at 4:59 PM ET

Can your jawbone identify your race?
Law enforcement officials are trying to ascertain the owner of a jawbone that washed up on a beach in Aruba last November. They've ruled out missing Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway. Now they're considering Amy Bradley, who disappeared 12 years ago on a Caribbean cruise. The DNA is too damaged to be useful, but investigators say the bone likely belonged to a Caucasian woman. In the absence of DNA, can you really determine race from a jawbone?

Probably not. Forensic anthropologists try to infer the ancestry, gender, and age of human remains by measuring their dimensions and observing their features with the naked eye. The jawbone is one of the more useful bones in the body, as researchers have compiled a number of mandibular traits (PDF) that they think differ slightly between races. For example, if you place an Asian jawbone on a table, the bottom of it will likely maintain contact with the tabletop all the way around. African and Caucasian mandibles, in contrast, tend to undulate, or rise and fall along the lower border. The gonia—that's the area beneath your ears where the jawbone turns upward—generally curve more sharply in an Asian jaw. People of African descent often have slightly curled surfaces on the rear edges of their jaws, whereas European jaws are more likely to have a flatter edge. (Take a look at this picture.) But all of these traits are imprecise indicators. It's impossible to identify a person's ancestry definitively from a single bone.
Investigators can also take bone measurements using calipers, then input the data into a University of Tennessee database containing a reference library of measurements from more than 1,800 bones of known ancestry, age, and gender. The program will determine whether the mystery bone falls within the typical ranges for various racial groups. It's pretty hard to hazard a reliable guess with one or two measurements, since the ranges overlap. But if a series of measurements for a whole skull, or an entire skeleton, tend to fall more comfortably within one range than another, the forensic anthropologist can make a determination.


Racial classification is an inexact science, if that's even the right word for it. Forensic anthropologists never make definitive ancestry pronouncements. They say a bone is "consistent with" European ancestry or "likely" of Asian ancestry. And practitioners say it takes years of experience to achieve mastery, since you have to see piles and piles of disembodied mandibles to be able to recognize the sometimes subtle differences among them. (Although one study (PDF) has suggested that the grizzled veterans of forensic anthropology are no better at surmising race than their bright-eyed protégés.)

The practice of inferring race from bones is also somewhat controversial. While today's forensic anthropologists don't like to talk about it, the discipline has its roots in the pseudoscientific 19th-century practice of using skull measurements to prove Caucasian intellectual superiority. The methodology has improved since then. When researchers develop a hypothesis about racial variation, they conduct blind tests on hundreds or thousands of skulls of known ancestry to test its reliability. They also test their own consistency, looking at the same skulls several times in different orders to make sure they usually make the same call on its structures and shapes.
There are people who think even the modern techniques are bunk. They argue that more physical variability exists between individuals of the same race than between races and point out that less than 15 percent of physical variation can be attributed to race. In addition, marriage between people of differing ancestries has become so common that forensic racial determinations can actually hinder an investigation. If someone had his mother's African jaw and his father's light skin, investigators would be sent out looking for the wrong person, since his neighbors might have considered him white.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 05, 2011, 03:20:44 PM

THE FBI

oceanexploration
 Re: Natalee Case Discussion #739 3/3 -
« Reply #79 on: March 03, 2008, 05:47:47 PM  »


There were three ROV dive videos of the trap.

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Video 2: Dec 30th - ROV and Diver visual-only inspection of trap.  This is the dive Dateline and Tim Miller witnessed, also the dive footage the screen captures I made came from that were posted by Robin at BNH.  I sent these 6 screen shots to the FBI and the FBI only.
 
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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360047#msg360047


IF I WASN'T ABSOLUTELY DISTURBED

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman
:  If I didn't believe in what I witnessed and what I found, I wouldn't have shared it with anyone, especially on the net. If I wasn't absolutely disturbed at how things turned out because of the project leads and corrupt officials I would NEVER have taken any action on my own.

Kermit




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 05, 2011, 04:40:41 PM
OMG Carpe  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 05, 2011, 09:40:26 PM
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ROFLMAO!!!! 

That's a Carpe keep, for sure!!!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Sleuth on January 06, 2011, 12:27:05 AM
CARPE - that was very funny.  LOL.


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Post by: texasmom on January 06, 2011, 02:04:17 AM
The Lee's New Year's Party

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Larissa on right
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Ramses de Jesus
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: billb's daughter on January 06, 2011, 02:25:54 AM
So long Good Monkeys..I admire you all....past and present....for all you have done and continue to do for Justice for Natalee...and Stephany.....
I'm signing off......just so you know as so many just faded off........ ::MonkeyAngel::
If k2 comes to trial in LA vs Dr Phil ...I'll attend and bring updates if I get in......
God Bless you all........ ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 06, 2011, 02:56:39 AM
Warning, the BS gets pretty deep in this one. 

http://www.facebook.com/titolacle?sk=wall

Tito Lacle
question: if all air traffic activity is recorded as minister says, how come we have no records of a 'mistery flight' in may 2005 with a 'Holloway' passenger aboard?
19 hours ago · Share
22 people like this.

Renée Gielen Good question!
19 hours ago

Carl Gerold Gomez Where is Julian Assange when you need him??
19 hours ago ·  2 people

Reymundo Kelly Hmmm...why indeed,very strange !!!
19 hours ago

Lilian Kock bai na universel aviation y nan si tin e record!!!
18 hours ago ·  1 person

Renée Gielen ‎@Lillian: the records disappeared!
18 hours ago

Lilian Kock Hhhhmm...straño ami a traha e vuelo ey e dia anochi ey.
18 hours ago ·  1 person

Armandito Villasmil Have you ever heard of Occam's razor?
18 hours ago

Tito Lacle Tell me
18 hours ago

Lilian Kock http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor
18 hours ago

Armandito Villasmil In this day and age you google or check it out at Wikipedia... But it is based on the idea that "simpler theories are, other things being equal, generally better than more complex ones"
18 hours ago

Tito Lacle ‎@ villasmil.. I know.. but wasnt in a place where I could google..
18 hours ago

Armandito Villasmil ‎:-)
18 hours ago

Margaret Wever ‎@Lilian...e vuelo Holloway of e vuelo "dilemma Dec 30/31"
18 hours ago

Nancy Lemmers on a "need to know" basis .......
17 hours ago

Nicey Morgan ‎@ Tito - Am sure all flights are recorded. Touch down/ Take off.
17 hours ago

Lilian Kock ‎@ margaret.... tur dos
17 hours ago ·  1 person

Margaret Wever ‎@Lilian...what are the odds of that...abo a traha TUR dos vuelo? OMG. Ay no, suerte no ta companjabo...aunke, si bo tabata un part time reporter...WOW!
17 hours ago

Lilian Kock Hahahahhaha.....ja esey ta pasa ora bo ta den mundo di aviacion
17 hours ago ·  1 person

Tito Lacle ok.. false alarm.. was referring to the return flight of natalee to the states.. :(
17 hours ago ·  1 person

Lilian Kock ja bo a bisa di Holloway bo no a specifica cu no tbt e mama bo tbt kiermen :)
17 hours ago

Sindhya Baerecke E pregunta ey parse mi.....martin riba e klabu....
17 hours ago

Lilian Kock hahaha@ Tito bo ta echt ta kere e vuelo ey a excisti???
17 hours ago

Margaret Wever hmmmmm....was there no flightplan for the place where that plane should/would have landed? is it easier to check than it has been checked? hmmmm
17 hours ago

Tito Lacle R u talking about the AA flight?
17 hours ago

Evelyne Wong U have seen A Few Good Man?
17 hours ago

Dilma Arends Geerman There are records, and I have seen the documents, and the PG also has copies of them, of a flight that left Aruba with an American girl, who left the island legally, but there is no record of her entering the island. The plane used, was a regular on the island, and since that departure nor the pilot nor the plane ever returned...So the flight left legally, and the people left legally as well. Just one did not enter the island legally....so, draw your own conclusions...
16 hours ago

Patrice Hawkins ‎???? she left under a different name????
15 hours ago ·  1 person

Dilma Arends Geerman The name of the girl who left legally is known...who she really was, we don't....
14 hours ago

Maria Tromp different Minister, different (cover-up) procedures!
11 hours ago

Judella Werleman Damn...Holloway AGAIN??? Sick and tired of her..........y tur e alabansa cu nos ta duna e case aki !!!!
10 hours ago

Maria Tromp Sick of it ..si of no... solamente si tur cos sali na cla kk a pasa, Aruba lo stop di hanja e attencion relaciona cu e caso aki. Na tur esnan cu ta fada: "het zal je kind maar wezen".
10 hours ago

Tito Lacle maria and judella.. I hear you.. really..
10 hours ago

Maria Tromp Okido, Tito...
10 hours ago

Judella Werleman Mi ta compronde cu elo ta moeilijk pa un mama perde su jui: SI DI BERDAD E JUI TA PERDI. Paso un hende NO por desaparese asina ey, dus pami e ta un complot cu lo trese HOOOOPI problema pa jen di hende, dus ta mihor cu e tal Joran ey haya culpa, cu jen di otro hende haya culpa.
Y e promer culpabel ta e propio Nathalee cu a subi den auto cu hende cu e no echt conose.........pero segun mi e ta un setup di e familia mes y si NO ta asina mi ta hopi sorry pa e mama, pero STOP di CULPA ARUBA, SICK of that. Henter un isla no tin culpa di esey!!
manera Maria a bisa, different Minister, different (cover-up) procedures!
10 hours ago

Tito Lacle judella.. BINGOOOOOOOO
10 hours ago

Renée Gielen ‎@Dilma, if tihis girl left legally but entered illegally, what did Immigration do upon her departure, not having an entry ticket?
10 hours ago

Dilma Arends Geerman I guess Mr. Pietersz should have the answer to that, right?
10 hours ago

Renée Gielen ‎@Dilma:yep, indeed.....
@Judella: the bashing of Aruba was/is way out. The Alabama boycott was way out, the way Beth Holloway talked/talks about ALE is way out, so, what does that tell you? If we can put our finger on Natalee having left the island, the case is solved, the scapegoat is free for that and life can move on. Amen
10 hours ago

Vivian Wever I always entertained the theory that she left 'legally". Why? Because when her mother came to Aruba and went to Natalee's hotel room she stated: Natalee's passsport was neatly on a table. This statement bothered me. Usually girls or nobody for that mather leaves their passport on a table while they are still going out the night before. And most importantly: the passport is too obvious placed to confuse that she did NOT leave the island. While we know she could leave with another passport or ID. I dont think it is extremely difficult in the US to get false IDs. The passport always appeared "planted" to me. it was mentioned various times: she did NOT leave the island because her passport is here!!
8 hours ago

Vivian Wever Why has it never been disclosed whether there was a life insurance on Natalee. I heard a radio inverterview of the mother where she was asked about life insurance. She stated: I never closed a life insurance on Natalee! She did not say that there was no insurance.
8 hours ago

Vivian Wever Aruba should have high definiton cameras to record everyone who arrives and leaves the island, to prevent future scams.
8 hours ago

Tito Lacle good points Vivian
8 hours ago

Ricardo E. Yarzagaray ‎@ Tito: except for the second case of Stefany Flores ..... "all things being equal...?"
8 hours ago

Renée Gielen ‎@Vivian, as far as I know. 1. At the time it was not necessary to enter and leave Aruba with a passport, coming from US. However, all the kids had their passports with them, and as mentioned in documents, the chaperones held the passports. 2. If the chaperones held the passports, how come that Natalee's was on her bed? Maybe she needed it, because it is said that she withdrew money the day before she disappeared. And then, as I found out, she left the island with a different passport. And even that is not that strange, because she may have applied for an adult passport before she left, which left her with 2 passports. Can you still follow?
7 hours ago

Renée Gielen ‎@Ricardo, In my opinion, based upon info, the moment the Holloway case is solved, the things leading to the Peru case will become very clear.
7 hours ago

Renée Gielen ‎@Vivian, there was a rumor that Beth asked for a death certificate on june 10. But as I did/do not base my investigation on rumors, I did not pay attention to this. But, in may 07, Beth declared in a document, signed by an notary, that, based upon everything that happened, she could not conclude otherwise than that Natalee must be dead. And that is not a rumor!!!
There is so much more....
7 hours ago

Ricardo E. Yarzagaray ‎@ Renee: Really!? Tell me more! BTW, there where only 4 chaperones for the 120 students. Check your facts.
7 hours ago

Renée Gielen ‎@Ricardo, there were 6 or 7, not 4......facts!
7 hours ago

Ricardo E. Yarzagaray Maybe, but still to few. 1. Listen, you are trying, it would seem, to convince people that Joran is innocent but the fact is that he most probably murdered Flores and that makes the assumption of innocence very, very slim. 2. You also fail to acknowledge, it seems, to remember that big screw up of the trio Van der Straaten, Karin Janssen and Paulus Van der Sloot the (R.I.P.) with regard to the arrest of those two poor black security guards and -4.- trying to impede the lawyer Lejuez access to them while -5- at the same time NOT arresting the three suspects (Joran and the Kalpoe brothers) after they told LIES about dropping Natalee of at the Holiday Inn!! 6. That was very bad and indicates a cover up as well as rampant in fighting in the prosecution's office. 7. The memo of June 10 2005 (if I recall correctly) sent from the Court of Appeals in Willemstad forbidding any judge stationed in Aruba was not complete. It should of ALSO have forbidden any prosecutor (Karin Janssen) working in Aruba to touch that case since Paulus Van der Sloot worked for a very long time at the Attorney General's office (maybe you know exactly for how long?).
7 hours ago

Vivian Wever ‎@ Renee: was this a notary in Aruba? She tought is was easy to get a death certificate in Aruba but this is not the case it is not easy.
7 hours ago

Renée Gielen ‎@Ricardo, I have never tried to convince people that Joran is/would be innocent. Never ever. I have tried to convince people that there is a complete different side to this story. That is it.
I started investigating this case in june 05 ...(after TweeVandaag sent me to Aruba to make a report about the case and to interview Beth H.). More interviews followed for Dutch news stations.
Last month Antilliaans Dagblad as well as RNW interviewed me again about the case, there as well you can read my thoughts about the case.
@Vivian, no, this was an Alabama notary.
6 hours ago

Ricardo E. Yarzagaray ‎@ Renee: Noted, however there is a thin line between "other side of the story" and bias. For this reason I summarized the most relevant highlights which in my view should indicate to anyone that after the Flores murder one should review and re-assess what went wrong ...... on all sides.
6 hours ago

Vivian Wever ‎@ Ricardo: also consider that even in the US a lot of times it is not even permitted to bring another case in evidence in order not to bias a jury. Although it might seem difficult, every case has to be evaluated on its own merits/evidence. And up to now on the Aruba case there is not one iota of evidence to convict anyone or even to prove what crime was committed (if any).....
6 hours ago ·  1 person

Renée Gielen ‎@Ricardo, I am not biased, nor tunnelvionaired and Joran plays no role in the truth.
Nor does his late father, or Karin Jansen. That is what I found out, but we can agree to disagree. I investigated the US side of this story, and came to some shocking conclusions.
Sorry to sound stubborn. I would love to explain, maybe I can do a lecture on Aruba, with all mayor US media present.
This is all about trial by media, not by facts.
IMO It is the other way around, when the NH case will be solved, the Peru case will be much more clear. And the very important role of FBI as well.
6 hours ago

Ricardo E. Yarzagaray ‎@ Vivian: The point is that the reason why there is no hard evidence or smoking gun in the Holloway case is because the prosecution dropped the ball with the whole world watching! For me the important part is that what happened here NEVER happens again. I'm referring to the "imperfect investigation" of course. Whatever happens now to the main suspect is not so relevant for Aruba anymore. That's what we call "poetic justice" or "Karma". Now, the "hot potatoe" is in the hands of the minister of foreign affairs of The Netherlands who doubles as the representative of foreign affairs of the Kingdom. Let them handle it.
6 hours ago

Ricardo E. Yarzagaray ‎@ Renee: Maybe you should do the lecture in The Hague NOT in Aruba.
6 hours ago

Renée Gielen ‎@Vivian, that is what I mean. This is even not about 'no body no case', it is about investigating. Under US pressure, Aruba did not investigate the American side of this story in the early days and from there on. This was obstructed by FBI who were there from moment one. And I don't mean that as an insult to Aruba, because I am still convinced that Aruba did what Aruba could do. Beth Holloway, however, with all respect, stated from the moment that she arrived on Aruba, that she did not want any local police interference. She made that very clear on different occasions. Why?
6 hours ago

Vivian Wever ‎@ Ricardo: the reason that there is no evidence is not neceesarily related to the prosecution or the investigative team. In order to make any kind of conclusion we have to make assumptions and there is no guarantee that these assumptions are correct. There are plenty of other possibilities why no hard evidence was ever found. I have of course my thoughts on this matter just like everybody else has their opinion. However we look at it they are just assumptions
6 hours ago

Renée Gielen ‎@Ricardo: why the Hague. The Hague was under pressure in june 2005 and made it very clear that this was an internal Aruban affair. Didn't they?
You won't hear from them.
But I read in Amigoe yesterday about the TGO on Aruba, created after my friend and collegue Poentje was killed. Wished that existed in 2005, then the case would have been solved. But everything in life is a learning process, as is this.
6 hours ago

Ricardo E. Yarzagaray Anybody that contents that the investigation was not prioritized by The Hague from day 1 is simply making a fool out of themselves. Wheter or not there was US pressure are questions that should be answered by The Hague since the US pressure would most probably be directed against Aruba but THROUGH The Hague!
6 hours ago

Vivian Wever Within 24 hours of the case I had already concluded that it would be a difficult unsolveable case. Why? Because it is highly unusual ( I follow a lot of true crime cases) that all the witnesses or last persons to be with the person who disappeared left the island, and could not be interviewed. What makes it even weirder it that these kids had graduated from high school so they were going to college. Having studied in college in the US myself I know that kids leave as far from their home as their parents can afford to go to college. So they would be scatterd allover the US. With the very limited means of our country and without knowing who they are they could not be interviewed.
6 hours ago

Vivian Wever I will leave it here as Tito might be getting upset that we are cluttering his wall!
6 hours ago ·  1 person

Ricardo E. Yarzagaray Tito is loving every minute of this. LOL!
6 hours ago ·  2 people

Tito Lacle Viv. How could I not have u on my wall! Such a classy one.
5 hours ago ·  2 people

Ricardo E. Yarzagaray ‎@Renee: Why The Hague? Really? You mean other than the obvious? Ok, lemmie give one angle; when Natalee went missing the Aruban born Attorney General was in Holland because of legal problems of her son so the only one 'at the helm' of the prosecutor's office in Aruba was Karin Jansen who was the head prosecutor (and good friend of the Van der Sloots?) stationed in Aruba for a 3 or 5 years, remember? Now, you can try and convince yourself about chain of command etc. but everybady knows about the bad blood and in fighting in the prosecutor's office. So, when Natalee went missing Karin Jansen 'did the damage' or do you think that she followed instructions of her 'boss', the attorney general Croes Fernandes Pedra? She got her orders from The Hague directly! Everybody knows that (except you maybe?). Maybe you are also oblivios to the fact that when the attorney general came back to Aruba after a week or so all freggin' hell broke lose in there. Remember? However, it was already too late.
@ Vivian: Yes, not being able to interview those students and their chaperones didn't help either.....to put it mildly....
about an hour ago


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 06, 2011, 03:00:13 AM
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/09/20/the-face-of-aruba/

http://www.diario.aw/2010/09/joran-por-fabor-basha-abao-pa-caba/

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/Diario092010b.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 06, 2011, 03:01:38 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_kjjkik_1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 06, 2011, 07:41:09 AM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=5919&offId=0&offDate=2011-1

Papiamentu translation:

7 hora happen | fecha: 06/01/2011 | horario: 01:27

lion is march los at aruba?, habitantenan at boroncana owing to beat alarma hour they owing to look at one lion. police self owing to look at the stapnan

some minuut after of mey night habitantenan of boroncana owing to happen susto of they life hour they owing to look at one lion is march in they district till even they owing to look at the cabeynan at his nek y owing to describie exactly as one lion. at arrival of the patrol the lion self owing to actuate for of the sitio but his pasonan owing to stay mark in the ground. police self owing to constata cu here is deal of one lion enough big, they know cu in cercania have a cu was have puma they owing to happen close the person ey but ela declara cu one puma owing to huy more of one year happen y the another 2nan ela happen they for her dierentuin. but at same instant ela declara cu the pumanan do not crece become so big. this owing to place cu habitantenan have fright of cu algo can sosode cu they or they family. in day hour cu have mihor view will bay follow atende cu the asunto here. on the fotonan can see one photograph of one lion as ela being see y also the marcanan of the pasonan of the lion y also police in the area.

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/5919/2_1294302601.jpg)

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/5919/5_1294302601.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: can on January 06, 2011, 09:29:23 AM
So long Good Monkeys..I admire you all....past and present....for all you have done and continue to do for Justice for Natalee...and Stephany.....
I'm signing off......just so you know as so many just faded off........ ::MonkeyAngel::
If k2 comes to trial in LA vs Dr Phil ...I'll attend and bring updates if I get in......
God Bless you all........ ::MonkeyAngel::

I hope they go to trial and look forward to your updates, if possible.

Justice for Natalee and Stefany! 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Buckeye on January 06, 2011, 09:32:31 AM
TM

I love reading the facebook comments.

I love how they always blame everyone leaving the island so the poor ALE couldn't conduct their investigation. Yet, we have seen the statements, from Natalee's friends/travel mates, given within two days of the disappearance. The statements from island "witnesses" (Carlos and Charlee's, the hotel) were dated later than the friends. What makes them think that if the kids had stayed, on island, that they would have been interviewed sooner?

All I can say is that there is a reason,, those posting, have become so successful in their careers. At least they have each other. They certainly are not ready for prime time.  The only one with a lick of sense is Yarzagaray.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 06, 2011, 09:43:55 AM
I don't know, maybe it's just me, but something is fishy  :nemo:  about Tito posting that question on his facebook wall yesterday morning.   If he is also involved in training his dog to sniff out boas, he, himself, has pulled out several in that one post.       ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 06, 2011, 09:48:55 AM
TM

I love reading the facebook comments.

I love how they always blame everyone leaving the island so the poor ALE couldn't conduct their investigation. Yet, we have seen the statements, from Natalee's friends/travel mates, given within two days of the disappearance. The statements from island "witnesses" (Carlos and Charlee's, the hotel) were dated later than the friends. What makes them think that if the kids had stayed, on island, that they would have been interviewed sooner?

All I can say is that there is a reason,, those posting, have become so successful in their careers. At least they have each other. They certainly are not ready for prime time.  The only one with a lick of sense is Yarzagaray.

I agree, Buckeye, especially with your last sentence. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 06, 2011, 01:15:48 PM
THE PROVERBIAL DREADED PHONECALL

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 23
:  Rested and refreshed, we leave Memphis late Monday morning with Linda driving and Marilyn up front with her.  I take the backseat.  We sail along, chatting like we alway do, talking about our plans for another road trip one day soon.  Marilyn and I are happily speculating about what our daughters' reactions will be when they open their presents to find a set of extraordinary Wizard of Oz figures.  Natalee will gasp with excitement when she sees these.  Before we know it, we've crossed over into Mississippi.  Somewhere amid our conversation, between the chuckles and the small talk, my cell phone rings. I don't recognize the number, but answer it anyway, which I usually don't do.

It's a young girl.  "Mrs. Twitty?  My mom ... umm ... my mom, she umm ... wants to talk to you."  It's the daughter of Judi, the travel agent.  She developed appendicitis right before the trip, so she and Jodi didn't get to go to Aruba.  They are in Birmingham.  It seems like an eternity before Jodi takes the phone.

"Tell me what's going on," I say in a voice much firmer than the one I usually hear coming from my mouth.

She simply says, "Natalee didn't show up this morning to get on the plane."

And instantly I know.  It's more than a mother's intuition.  It's certainty.  Something terrible has happened.  I have just answered the proverbial dreaded phone call that no mother or father every wants to receive.  The one we fear from the moment our children are born.  The one that changes a parent's life forever.
______

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith

By Beth Holloway

ISBN: 9780061452277; ISBN10: 0061452270; Imprint: HarperOne ; On Sale: 10/2/2007


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 06, 2011, 01:16:05 PM
FEARED THE WORST BUT PRAYED FOR A MIRACLE

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 6:
  On Monday, May 30, Natalee's trip came to an end, and she was due to fly home to Alabama.  But late in the afternoon, I received a call from Matt telling me that Natalee had missed her flight and that Beth was getting on a plane to Aruba.

Page 7:  Beth had flown out of Birmingham on a friend's private jet as soon as she learned that Natalee had missed her flight.  I contacted a commerical airline and booked the next flight out for 5:30 a.m. the following morning.

Later that night, Matt called again to tell me that Natalee's flight had been rebooked, and she would be coming home the next day.  Someone from Delta Airlines had confirmed that a female had called and changed the flight.

I cancelled my flight, but I was still concerned because no one had heard from Natalee.

The next morning, I started making more calls.  I could not reach Beth, and I was unable to get a member of the Aruban police force to talk to me on the phone about Natalee.

By noon I learned that Natalee was not getting on the plane.  I found out that it had been a chaperone from Natalee's group who had changed her flight in the hopes that she would reappear.  It was then that I knew something tragic must have happened.  I feared the worst, but prayed for a miracle.  I hung up the phone and broke down .....
_______


ARUBA: THE TRAGIC UNTOLD STORY OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY AND CORRUPTION IN PARADISE
By Dave Holloway

Publisher: Thomas Nelson Publishers-Business (Mar 15 2006)
Language: English
ISBN-10: 1595550631
ISBN-13: 978-1595550637


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 06, 2011, 01:31:39 PM
Beth Holloway - In Person and In Her Own Words

When her daughter went missing in Aruba, her life changed forever.  How does one muster the courage to persevere in the face of sheer adversity?  Do we all have the capacity to overcome tragedy?  How does one keep going?  You will be uplifed by the remarkable story of Beth Holloway.  How does she stay strong.  Imagine being able to apply her philosophies of courage, dedication, faith and strength to your own life.

http://waterfordpolice.org/cms/images/forms/bethholloway2_1.pdf


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: klaasend on January 06, 2011, 01:55:48 PM
esp

Edited to explain:  Janet posted the link above without the paragraph first then posted with the paragraph.  I was just beating her to the punch cause I know she'd ask one of us to delete the one without the paragraph added  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 06, 2011, 02:06:47 PM
You were wrong.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

I have made the decision to choose my battles when requesting deletions or editing of my posts.  Only REALLY BIG boo boos rate.  Other I let slide.

Thank Klaas.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: klaasend on January 06, 2011, 02:18:33 PM
Here I thought I was on top of thing, lol.  I just happened by and saw it so decided ti delete the duplicate.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: kkthy on January 06, 2011, 05:04:51 PM
Beth Holloway - In Person and In Her Own Words

When her daughter went missing in Aruba, her life changed forever.  How does one muster the courage to persevere in the face of sheer adversity?  Do we all have the capacity to overcome tragedy?  How does one keep going?  You will be uplifed by the remarkable story of Beth Holloway.  How does she stay strong.  Imagine being able to apply her philosophies of courage, dedication, faith and strength to your own life.

http://waterfordpolice.org/cms/images/forms/bethholloway2_1.pdf


Tamikosmom,
She is an amazingly strong person.  I have my tickets in my possession and can't wait to see her. that can make it to her presentation.  Thanks for posting that again.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: kkthy on January 06, 2011, 05:07:42 PM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=5919&offId=0&offDate=2011-1

Papiamentu translation:

7 hora happen | fecha: 06/01/2011 | horario: 01:27

lion is march los at aruba?, habitantenan at boroncana owing to beat alarma hour they owing to look at one lion. police self owing to look at the stapnan

some minuut after of mey night habitantenan of boroncana owing to happen susto of they life hour they owing to look at one lion is march in they district till even they owing to look at the cabeynan at his nek y owing to describie exactly as one lion. at arrival of the patrol the lion self owing to actuate for of the sitio but his pasonan owing to stay mark in the ground. police self owing to constata cu here is deal of one lion enough big, they know cu in cercania have a cu was have puma they owing to happen close the person ey but ela declara cu one puma owing to huy more of one year happen y the another 2nan ela happen they for her dierentuin. but at same instant ela declara cu the pumanan do not crece become so big. this owing to place cu habitantenan have fright of cu algo can sosode cu they or they family. in day hour cu have mihor view will bay follow atende cu the asunto here. on the fotonan can see one photograph of one lion as ela being see y also the marcanan of the pasonan of the lion y also police in the area.

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/5919/2_1294302601.jpg)

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/5919/5_1294302601.jpg)

Texasmom,

Eeekkkk!!!  Where were these pictures taken?  I tried to read the article but can't figure it out. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 06, 2011, 05:09:19 PM
Beth Holloway - In Person and In Her Own Words

When her daughter went missing in Aruba, her life changed forever.  How does one muster the courage to persevere in the face of sheer adversity?  Do we all have the capacity to overcome tragedy?  How does one keep going?  You will be uplifed by the remarkable story of Beth Holloway.  How does she stay strong.  Imagine being able to apply her philosophies of courage, dedication, faith and strength to your own life.

http://waterfordpolice.org/cms/images/forms/bethholloway2_1.pdf


Tamikosmom,
She is an amazingly strong person.  I have my tickets in my possession and can't wait to see her. that can make it to her presentation.  Thanks for posting that again.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

I wanna be there so badly it hurts.  Not fair.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 06, 2011, 05:30:59 PM
kkthy

Somehow I believe that through Beth's testimony on January 13th ... others will be inspired and lives will be changed.

 :smt060

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 06, 2011, 05:58:43 PM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=5919&offId=0&offDate=2011-1

Papiamentu translation:

7 hora happen | fecha: 06/01/2011 | horario: 01:27

lion is march los at aruba?, habitantenan at boroncana owing to beat alarma hour they owing to look at one lion. police self owing to look at the stapnan

some minuut after of mey night habitantenan of boroncana owing to happen susto of they life hour they owing to look at one lion is march in they district till even they owing to look at the cabeynan at his nek y owing to describie exactly as one lion. at arrival of the patrol the lion self owing to actuate for of the sitio but his pasonan owing to stay mark in the ground. police self owing to constata cu here is deal of one lion enough big, they know cu in cercania have a cu was have puma they owing to happen close the person ey but ela declara cu one puma owing to huy more of one year happen y the another 2nan ela happen they for her dierentuin. but at same instant ela declara cu the pumanan do not crece become so big. this owing to place cu habitantenan have fright of cu algo can sosode cu they or they family. in day hour cu have mihor view will bay follow atende cu the asunto here. on the fotonan can see one photograph of one lion as ela being see y also the marcanan of the pasonan of the lion y also police in the area.

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/5919/2_1294302601.jpg)

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/5919/5_1294302601.jpg)

Texasmom,

Eeekkkk!!!  Where were these pictures taken?  I tried to read the article but can't figure it out. 

I don't really know the area, and not sure if they really saw a lion or if it was a puma as mentioned in the article also.  I've attached an article from 24ora that makes it sound like it wasn't a lion at all. 
 ::MonkeyConfused::


http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/26194-website-local-qno-serioq-a-crea-panico-inecesario-cu-foto-falso-di-leon-cu-lo-ta-canando-los-na-aruba.html

come across website local "no-serio" owing to crea panico inecesario cu photograph false of lion cu will is canando los at aruba local


thursday, 06 january 2011 13:18

diaranson night autoridad was much attentive for one melding cu will have to have one puma enough big is march los in the district of boroncana. tanto police because; habitantenan owing to leave provided that busca but not owing to succeed localisa the beast. for one or another motibo one rumor owing to being crea cu do not deal here of one puma but of one lion.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 06, 2011, 06:11:31 PM
TM

I love reading the facebook comments.

I love how they always blame everyone leaving the island so the poor ALE couldn't conduct their investigation. Yet, we have seen the statements, from Natalee's friends/travel mates, given within two days of the disappearance. The statements from island "witnesses" (Carlos and Charlee's, the hotel) were dated later than the friends. What makes them think that if the kids had stayed, on island, that they would have been interviewed sooner?

All I can say is that there is a reason,, those posting, have become so successful in their careers. At least they have each other. They certainly are not ready for prime time.  The only one with a lick of sense is Yarzagaray.

ITA   ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 06, 2011, 06:15:24 PM
I don't know, maybe it's just me, but something is fishy  :nemo:  about Tito posting that question on his facebook wall yesterday morning.   If he is also involved in training his dog to sniff out boas, he, himself, has pulled out several in that one post.       ::MonkeyTongue::

 :smt045


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 06, 2011, 07:47:05 PM
TM

I love reading the facebook comments.

I love how they always blame everyone leaving the island so the poor ALE couldn't conduct their investigation. Yet, we have seen the statements, from Natalee's friends/travel mates, given within two days of the disappearance. The statements from island "witnesses" (Carlos and Charlee's, the hotel) were dated later than the friends. What makes them think that if the kids had stayed, on island, that they would have been interviewed sooner?

All I can say is that there is a reason,, those posting, have become so successful in their careers. At least they have each other. They certainly are not ready for prime time.  The only one with a lick of sense is Yarzagaray.

ITA   ::rhino::

Shaking my rhino with you, TM!!

The thing that jumps out from that facebook page is the acknowledgement of the harm done to Aruba because of the Natalee Holloway case. GOOD!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Kermit on January 06, 2011, 07:56:02 PM
Warning, the BS gets pretty deep in this one. 

http://www.facebook.com/titolacle?sk=wall

Tito Lacle
question: if all air traffic activity is recorded as minister says, how come we have no records of a 'mistery flight' in may 2005 with a 'Holloway' passenger aboard?
19 hours ago · Share
22 people like this.

Renée Gielen Good question!
19 hours ago

Carl Gerold Gomez Where is Julian Assange when you need him??
19 hours ago ·  2 people

Reymundo Kelly Hmmm...why indeed,very strange !!!
19 hours ago

Lilian Kock bai na universel aviation y nan si tin e record!!!
18 hours ago ·  1 person

Renée Gielen ‎@Lillian: the records disappeared!
18 hours ago

Lilian Kock Hhhhmm...straño ami a traha e vuelo ey e dia anochi ey.
18 hours ago ·  1 person

Armandito Villasmil Have you ever heard of Occam's razor?
18 hours ago

Tito Lacle Tell me
18 hours ago

Lilian Kock http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor
18 hours ago

Armandito Villasmil In this day and age you google or check it out at Wikipedia... But it is based on the idea that "simpler theories are, other things being equal, generally better than more complex ones"
18 hours ago

Tito Lacle ‎@ villasmil.. I know.. but wasnt in a place where I could google..
18 hours ago

Armandito Villasmil ‎:-)
18 hours ago

Margaret Wever ‎@Lilian...e vuelo Holloway of e vuelo "dilemma Dec 30/31"
18 hours ago

Nancy Lemmers on a "need to know" basis .......
17 hours ago

Nicey Morgan ‎@ Tito - Am sure all flights are recorded. Touch down/ Take off.
17 hours ago

Lilian Kock ‎@ margaret.... tur dos
17 hours ago ·  1 person

Margaret Wever ‎@Lilian...what are the odds of that...abo a traha TUR dos vuelo? OMG. Ay no, suerte no ta companjabo...aunke, si bo tabata un part time reporter...WOW!
17 hours ago

Lilian Kock Hahahahhaha.....ja esey ta pasa ora bo ta den mundo di aviacion
17 hours ago ·  1 person

Tito Lacle ok.. false alarm.. was referring to the return flight of natalee to the states.. :(
17 hours ago ·  1 person

Lilian Kock ja bo a bisa di Holloway bo no a specifica cu no tbt e mama bo tbt kiermen :)
17 hours ago

Sindhya Baerecke E pregunta ey parse mi.....martin riba e klabu....
17 hours ago

Lilian Kock hahaha@ Tito bo ta echt ta kere e vuelo ey a excisti???
17 hours ago

Margaret Wever hmmmmm....was there no flightplan for the place where that plane should/would have landed? is it easier to check than it has been checked? hmmmm
17 hours ago

Tito Lacle R u talking about the AA flight?
17 hours ago

Evelyne Wong U have seen A Few Good Man?
17 hours ago

Dilma Arends Geerman There are records, and I have seen the documents, and the PG also has copies of them, of a flight that left Aruba with an American girl, who left the island legally, but there is no record of her entering the island. The plane used, was a regular on the island, and since that departure nor the pilot nor the plane ever returned...So the flight left legally, and the people left legally as well. Just one did not enter the island legally....so, draw your own conclusions...
16 hours ago

Patrice Hawkins ‎???? she left under a different name????
15 hours ago ·  1 person

Dilma Arends Geerman The name of the girl who left legally is known...who she really was, we don't....
14 hours ago

Maria Tromp different Minister, different (cover-up) procedures!
11 hours ago

Judella Werleman Damn...Holloway AGAIN??? Sick and tired of her..........y tur e alabansa cu nos ta duna e case aki !!!!
10 hours ago

Maria Tromp Sick of it ..si of no... solamente si tur cos sali na cla kk a pasa, Aruba lo stop di hanja e attencion relaciona cu e caso aki. Na tur esnan cu ta fada: "het zal je kind maar wezen".
10 hours ago

Tito Lacle maria and judella.. I hear you.. really..
10 hours ago

Maria Tromp Okido, Tito...
10 hours ago

Judella Werleman Mi ta compronde cu elo ta moeilijk pa un mama perde su jui: SI DI BERDAD E JUI TA PERDI. Paso un hende NO por desaparese asina ey, dus pami e ta un complot cu lo trese HOOOOPI problema pa jen di hende, dus ta mihor cu e tal Joran ey haya culpa, cu jen di otro hende haya culpa.
Y e promer culpabel ta e propio Nathalee cu a subi den auto cu hende cu e no echt conose.........pero segun mi e ta un setup di e familia mes y si NO ta asina mi ta hopi sorry pa e mama, pero STOP di CULPA ARUBA, SICK of that. Henter un isla no tin culpa di esey!!
manera Maria a bisa, different Minister, different (cover-up) procedures!
10 hours ago

Tito Lacle judella.. BINGOOOOOOOO
10 hours ago

Renée Gielen ‎@Dilma, if tihis girl left legally but entered illegally, what did Immigration do upon her departure, not having an entry ticket?
10 hours ago

Dilma Arends Geerman I guess Mr. Pietersz should have the answer to that, right?
10 hours ago

Renée Gielen ‎@Dilma:yep, indeed.....
@Judella: the bashing of Aruba was/is way out. The Alabama boycott was way out, the way Beth Holloway talked/talks about ALE is way out, so, what does that tell you? If we can put our finger on Natalee having left the island, the case is solved, the scapegoat is free for that and life can move on. Amen
10 hours ago

Vivian Wever I always entertained the theory that she left 'legally". Why? Because when her mother came to Aruba and went to Natalee's hotel room she stated: Natalee's passsport was neatly on a table. This statement bothered me. Usually girls or nobody for that mather leaves their passport on a table while they are still going out the night before. And most importantly: the passport is too obvious placed to confuse that she did NOT leave the island. While we know she could leave with another passport or ID. I dont think it is extremely difficult in the US to get false IDs. The passport always appeared "planted" to me. it was mentioned various times: she did NOT leave the island because her passport is here!!
8 hours ago

Vivian Wever Why has it never been disclosed whether there was a life insurance on Natalee. I heard a radio inverterview of the mother where she was asked about life insurance. She stated: I never closed a life insurance on Natalee! She did not say that there was no insurance.
8 hours ago

Vivian Wever Aruba should have high definiton cameras to record everyone who arrives and leaves the island, to prevent future scams.
8 hours ago

Tito Lacle good points Vivian
8 hours ago

Ricardo E. Yarzagaray ‎@ Tito: except for the second case of Stefany Flores ..... "all things being equal...?"
8 hours ago

Renée Gielen ‎@Vivian, as far as I know. 1. At the time it was not necessary to enter and leave Aruba with a passport, coming from US. However, all the kids had their passports with them, and as mentioned in documents, the chaperones held the passports. 2. If the chaperones held the passports, how come that Natalee's was on her bed? Maybe she needed it, because it is said that she withdrew money the day before she disappeared. And then, as I found out, she left the island with a different passport. And even that is not that strange, because she may have applied for an adult passport before she left, which left her with 2 passports. Can you still follow?
7 hours ago

Renée Gielen ‎@Ricardo, In my opinion, based upon info, the moment the Holloway case is solved, the things leading to the Peru case will become very clear.
7 hours ago

Renée Gielen ‎@Vivian, there was a rumor that Beth asked for a death certificate on june 10. But as I did/do not base my investigation on rumors, I did not pay attention to this. But, in may 07, Beth declared in a document, signed by an notary, that, based upon everything that happened, she could not conclude otherwise than that Natalee must be dead. And that is not a rumor!!!
There is so much more....
7 hours ago

Ricardo E. Yarzagaray ‎@ Renee: Really!? Tell me more! BTW, there where only 4 chaperones for the 120 students. Check your facts.
7 hours ago

Renée Gielen ‎@Ricardo, there were 6 or 7, not 4......facts!
7 hours ago

Ricardo E. Yarzagaray Maybe, but still to few. 1. Listen, you are trying, it would seem, to convince people that Joran is innocent but the fact is that he most probably murdered Flores and that makes the assumption of innocence very, very slim. 2. You also fail to acknowledge, it seems, to remember that big screw up of the trio Van der Straaten, Karin Janssen and Paulus Van der Sloot the (R.I.P.) with regard to the arrest of those two poor black security guards and -4.- trying to impede the lawyer Lejuez access to them while -5- at the same time NOT arresting the three suspects (Joran and the Kalpoe brothers) after they told LIES about dropping Natalee of at the Holiday Inn!! 6. That was very bad and indicates a cover up as well as rampant in fighting in the prosecution's office. 7. The memo of June 10 2005 (if I recall correctly) sent from the Court of Appeals in Willemstad forbidding any judge stationed in Aruba was not complete. It should of ALSO have forbidden any prosecutor (Karin Janssen) working in Aruba to touch that case since Paulus Van der Sloot worked for a very long time at the Attorney General's office (maybe you know exactly for how long?).
7 hours ago

Vivian Wever ‎@ Renee: was this a notary in Aruba? She tought is was easy to get a death certificate in Aruba but this is not the case it is not easy.
7 hours ago

Renée Gielen ‎@Ricardo, I have never tried to convince people that Joran is/would be innocent. Never ever. I have tried to convince people that there is a complete different side to this story. That is it.
I started investigating this case in june 05 ...(after TweeVandaag sent me to Aruba to make a report about the case and to interview Beth H.). More interviews followed for Dutch news stations.
Last month Antilliaans Dagblad as well as RNW interviewed me again about the case, there as well you can read my thoughts about the case.
@Vivian, no, this was an Alabama notary.
6 hours ago

Ricardo E. Yarzagaray ‎@ Renee: Noted, however there is a thin line between "other side of the story" and bias. For this reason I summarized the most relevant highlights which in my view should indicate to anyone that after the Flores murder one should review and re-assess what went wrong ...... on all sides.
6 hours ago

Vivian Wever ‎@ Ricardo: also consider that even in the US a lot of times it is not even permitted to bring another case in evidence in order not to bias a jury. Although it might seem difficult, every case has to be evaluated on its own merits/evidence. And up to now on the Aruba case there is not one iota of evidence to convict anyone or even to prove what crime was committed (if any).....
6 hours ago ·  1 person

Renée Gielen ‎@Ricardo, I am not biased, nor tunnelvionaired and Joran plays no role in the truth.
Nor does his late father, or Karin Jansen. That is what I found out, but we can agree to disagree. I investigated the US side of this story, and came to some shocking conclusions.
Sorry to sound stubborn. I would love to explain, maybe I can do a lecture on Aruba, with all mayor US media present.
This is all about trial by media, not by facts.
IMO It is the other way around, when the NH case will be solved, the Peru case will be much more clear. And the very important role of FBI as well.
6 hours ago

Ricardo E. Yarzagaray ‎@ Vivian: The point is that the reason why there is no hard evidence or smoking gun in the Holloway case is because the prosecution dropped the ball with the whole world watching! For me the important part is that what happened here NEVER happens again. I'm referring to the "imperfect investigation" of course. Whatever happens now to the main suspect is not so relevant for Aruba anymore. That's what we call "poetic justice" or "Karma". Now, the "hot potatoe" is in the hands of the minister of foreign affairs of The Netherlands who doubles as the representative of foreign affairs of the Kingdom. Let them handle it.
6 hours ago

Ricardo E. Yarzagaray ‎@ Renee: Maybe you should do the lecture in The Hague NOT in Aruba.
6 hours ago

Renée Gielen ‎@Vivian, that is what I mean. This is even not about 'no body no case', it is about investigating. Under US pressure, Aruba did not investigate the American side of this story in the early days and from there on. This was obstructed by FBI who were there from moment one. And I don't mean that as an insult to Aruba, because I am still convinced that Aruba did what Aruba could do. Beth Holloway, however, with all respect, stated from the moment that she arrived on Aruba, that she did not want any local police interference. She made that very clear on different occasions. Why?
6 hours ago

Vivian Wever ‎@ Ricardo: the reason that there is no evidence is not neceesarily related to the prosecution or the investigative team. In order to make any kind of conclusion we have to make assumptions and there is no guarantee that these assumptions are correct. There are plenty of other possibilities why no hard evidence was ever found. I have of course my thoughts on this matter just like everybody else has their opinion. However we look at it they are just assumptions
6 hours ago

Renée Gielen ‎@Ricardo: why the Hague. The Hague was under pressure in june 2005 and made it very clear that this was an internal Aruban affair. Didn't they?
You won't hear from them.
But I read in Amigoe yesterday about the TGO on Aruba, created after my friend and collegue Poentje was killed. Wished that existed in 2005, then the case would have been solved. But everything in life is a learning process, as is this.
6 hours ago

Ricardo E. Yarzagaray Anybody that contents that the investigation was not prioritized by The Hague from day 1 is simply making a fool out of themselves. Wheter or not there was US pressure are questions that should be answered by The Hague since the US pressure would most probably be directed against Aruba but THROUGH The Hague!
6 hours ago

Vivian Wever Within 24 hours of the case I had already concluded that it would be a difficult unsolveable case. Why? Because it is highly unusual ( I follow a lot of true crime cases) that all the witnesses or last persons to be with the person who disappeared left the island, and could not be interviewed. What makes it even weirder it that these kids had graduated from high school so they were going to college. Having studied in college in the US myself I know that kids leave as far from their home as their parents can afford to go to college. So they would be scatterd allover the US. With the very limited means of our country and without knowing who they are they could not be interviewed.
6 hours ago

Vivian Wever I will leave it here as Tito might be getting upset that we are cluttering his wall!
6 hours ago ·  1 person

Ricardo E. Yarzagaray Tito is loving every minute of this. LOL!
6 hours ago ·  2 people

Tito Lacle Viv. How could I not have u on my wall! Such a classy one.
5 hours ago ·  2 people

Ricardo E. Yarzagaray ‎@Renee: Why The Hague? Really? You mean other than the obvious? Ok, lemmie give one angle; when Natalee went missing the Aruban born Attorney General was in Holland because of legal problems of her son so the only one 'at the helm' of the prosecutor's office in Aruba was Karin Jansen who was the head prosecutor (and good friend of the Van der Sloots?) stationed in Aruba for a 3 or 5 years, remember? Now, you can try and convince yourself about chain of command etc. but everybady knows about the bad blood and in fighting in the prosecutor's office. So, when Natalee went missing Karin Jansen 'did the damage' or do you think that she followed instructions of her 'boss', the attorney general Croes Fernandes Pedra? She got her orders from The Hague directly! Everybody knows that (except you maybe?). Maybe you are also oblivios to the fact that when the attorney general came back to Aruba after a week or so all freggin' hell broke lose in there. Remember? However, it was already too late.
@ Vivian: Yes, not being able to interview those students and their chaperones didn't help either.....to put it mildly....
about an hour ago

IT'S IN PLAIN ENGLISH - NOT DOG POOP WHICH YOU NORMALLY SPEAK RENEE AND TITO - READ IT AGAIN AND THIS TIME UNDERSTAND IT. NATALEE WAS MURDERED BY YOUR ARUBA BOY JORAN! ARUBA IS RESPONSIBLE!

GIVE NATALEE BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WE AIN'T GOING AWAY UNTIL YOU DO YOU NUT CRACKERS!




JORAN: "I think I am incredibly lucky that she's never been found because if she had been found I would be in deep shit"
(Source: Peter deVries secret recordings:
http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/40829/08150258/joran_loopt_volledig_leeg.html
)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 06, 2011, 09:09:15 PM
 ::MonkeyCool::






Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Kermit on January 06, 2011, 11:50:21 PM
Hey, GIELEN - need to get your lies straight before ya go around shooting off your face


OM took notice of the documentary made by the journalist Renee Gielen. According to the OM it was an intriguing compilation of the facts. Only on one point though, OM does not share the reconstruction of the facts by Renee Gielen.
Because of the documentary the OM asked the Aruba Airport Authority to provide exact information on the arrival of the private Jet that brought ms. Beth Holloway to Aruba, information that was never investigated prior to this program.

The AAA confirmed in writing and from data from computers that the jet arrived on May 30, 2005 at 21:57. Based on that the OM concludes that Gielen's suggestions that Beth Holloway arrived earlier is not correct and has no base.

The OM concludes that Gielen does not have knowledge of the dossier of this case in the investigation of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Having the dossier of the case, the OM is of opinion that the direction the investigation is going is still the right one. The conclussions of Renee Gielen did not have an affect on it.

http://awemainta.com/home/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_view&gid=22&tmpl=component&format=raw&Itemid=45


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Kermit on January 06, 2011, 11:51:21 PM

Lexy wrote:
Rumors of Robin Holloway inviting Renee G. to post at BNH, if true, makes you wonder what her role is in finding out what happened to Natalee. jmo.
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Robin (Hope4N) wrote:

It's true, so exactly what are you trying to infer Lexy?
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Lexy wrote:

Thanks for answering.
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Robin wrote:

Thanks for not. Guess that says more about you than it does me.
Have fun gossiping.
http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/viewtopic.php?t=17564&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Kermit on January 06, 2011, 11:53:03 PM
LEPRECHAUNS we be waiting for the big day in court!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 ::Baseball::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: kkthy on January 07, 2011, 06:22:56 AM
kkthy

Somehow I believe that through Beth's testimony on January 13th ... others will be inspired and lives will be changed.

 :smt060

Janet



I agree.  I'm sure it will be a powerful experience.  I still can't believe that Beth will be here in CT.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: kkthy on January 07, 2011, 06:29:39 AM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=5919&offId=0&offDate=2011-1

Papiamentu translation:

7 hora happen | fecha: 06/01/2011 | horario: 01:27

lion is march los at aruba?, habitantenan at boroncana owing to beat alarma hour they owing to look at one lion. police self owing to look at the stapnan

some minuut after of mey night habitantenan of boroncana owing to happen susto of they life hour they owing to look at one lion is march in they district till even they owing to look at the cabeynan at his nek y owing to describie exactly as one lion. at arrival of the patrol the lion self owing to actuate for of the sitio but his pasonan owing to stay mark in the ground. police self owing to constata cu here is deal of one lion enough big, they know cu in cercania have a cu was have puma they owing to happen close the person ey but ela declara cu one puma owing to huy more of one year happen y the another 2nan ela happen they for her dierentuin. but at same instant ela declara cu the pumanan do not crece become so big. this owing to place cu habitantenan have fright of cu algo can sosode cu they or they family. in day hour cu have mihor view will bay follow atende cu the asunto here. on the fotonan can see one photograph of one lion as ela being see y also the marcanan of the pasonan of the lion y also police in the area.

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/5919/2_1294302601.jpg)

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/5919/5_1294302601.jpg)

Texasmom,

Eeekkkk!!!  Where were these pictures taken?  I tried to read the article but can't figure it out. 

I don't really know the area, and not sure if they really saw a lion or if it was a puma as mentioned in the article also.  I've attached an article from 24ora that makes it sound like it wasn't a lion at all. 
 ::MonkeyConfused::


http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/26194-website-local-qno-serioq-a-crea-panico-inecesario-cu-foto-falso-di-leon-cu-lo-ta-canando-los-na-aruba.html

come across website local "no-serio" owing to crea panico inecesario cu photograph false of lion cu will is canando los at aruba local


thursday, 06 january 2011 13:18

diaranson night autoridad was much attentive for one melding cu will have to have one puma enough big is march los in the district of boroncana. tanto police because; habitantenan owing to leave provided that busca but not owing to succeed localisa the beast. for one or another motibo one rumor owing to being crea cu do not deal here of one puma but of one lion.

Thanks Texasmom, 
I wish we were able to read the Papiamentu translation better. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: wreck on January 07, 2011, 03:15:30 PM
I'm not sure if this is Beth's fault or the Mountain Brook kids' fault.  ::MonkeyShocked::

 ::MonkeyCat::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 07, 2011, 10:43:00 PM
My Pledge

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 200
:  My child.  My beautiful daughter.  I can't save her.  It's too late.  Natalee is gone. And second to the great tragedy of losing her is if we fail to learn from what has happened.

I could be any parent in the world.  And no parent should ever go through this experience.  Natalee could be anyone's daughter.  And in these thoughts a new path is made clear.  There is something I can do.  Many people reached out to us, and I can now reach back to them.  It might be too late to save Natalee, but it's not too late to save others.  And it's time now to make good on my pledge to stand before high-school and college students, law enforcement professinals, victims' rights groups, travelers of all ages, and anyone interested in personal safety to share Natalee's story and our hard lessons, so that others might learn from them.


A Hero

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 229:
  As I read on in the journal, I discover that one of the most moving entries is her desription of a hero.  Natalee writes:

A Hero is someone who puts others before himself.  He or she is very selfless and cares about the well-being of others.  Heroes also accept life's challenges and remain strong through tough times.  They also have a strong sense of determination and stick to goals and morals.  I believe that heroes uphold morals and try to encourage others to live life morally correct.  Heroes are not only just people called in times of physical danger, but individuals that can both emotionally and physically help people get through rough times.  A hero should always show respect for other people as well as respect for himself.


 :smt060


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 08, 2011, 12:56:15 AM
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_mrbxEHL3lc8/SXOkTUDGZEI/AAAAAAAAG00/xgnN2JrZWx0/s640/Renee%20Gielen_001.jpg

(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_mrbxEHL3lc8/SXOkTUDGZEI/AAAAAAAAG00/xgnN2JrZWx0/s640/Renee%20Gielen_001.jpg)

IMO, One ugly beotch, inside and out.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.curacao-chamber.an/info/registry/excerpt.asp?mode=edit&companyid=89497&establishmentnr=0&legalformid=51

Curaçao Commercial Register
Excerpt from the Commercial Register
    Registration number: 89497 (0)
Date: January 8, 2011  Time: 1:32:13 AM
In the Commercial Register of the Curaçao Chamber of Commerce & Industry is registered under number 89497: ReGie

Trade name   ReGie
Legal form   Limited Liability Company
Official company name   ReGie Management N.V.
Statutory seat   Curaçao
Date of incorporation    April 3, 2002
Date established    April 3, 2002
Authorized capital   Antillean Guilder 50,000.00
Issued capital   Antillean Guilder 10,000.00
Paid up capital   Antillean Guilder 10,000.00
Fiscal year   The fiscal year is equal to the calendar year
Address   Jan Haayenweg 2
Country   Curaçao
Correspondence address   same as above
Object   Management Company(8612), Administrative/managerial office(8429), Organization and Coordination of Congresses, Seminars and Conventions(8495), Audio-visual productions(9565)
Official(s)
1
Function   Statutory director
Title description   Managing Director
Name   Renée Marie Louise Gielen
Address   Jan Haayenweg 2
Country   Curaçao
Date of birth    November 21, 1949
Place of birth   Eindhoven
Country of birth   The Netherlands
Nationality   Dutch
Source: Registry-information Internet. This document is not an excerpt in accordance with article 11 paragraph 2 of the Trade Ordinance (O.G. 2009 no. 51)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 08, 2011, 01:25:15 AM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_kjjkik_1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE AND STEPHANY!
 ::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: IBE on January 08, 2011, 02:15:39 AM
Gads, the dialog got so think in here I didn't know whether to get the flat coal shovel or the round one! Keep up the Good 'Works Monkeys!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 08, 2011, 12:17:26 PM
http://www.24ora.com/gallery.html?func=viewcategory&catid=249

Ladies night @ Confession 5jan11

(http://www.24ora.com/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/ladies_night__confession_5jan11_249/ladiesss_20110106_1997712852.jpg)

(http://www.24ora.com/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/ladies_night__confession_5jan11_249/ladiesss_20110106_2055009831.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: wreck on January 08, 2011, 12:54:29 PM
Does Jay Leno have a daughter??


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: SuzieQ on January 08, 2011, 01:00:14 PM
 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 08, 2011, 01:35:28 PM
Earlier in the evening...

www.facebook.com

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/12312010_PartyatLees.jpg)

Pretty sure this background is from Confessions, and looks like Samantha in the same dress from the Lee party...

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=783490028

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/01082011_GabrielaGarciaGuedezFBprofilepic_SamanthaMeilands_NYE-1.jpg)

And guess who was the featured DJ?    ::MonkeyTongue::

http://www.facebook.com/confessionclubaruba

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/12312010_ConfessionsNYE-2.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 08, 2011, 01:39:39 PM
Does Jay Leno have a daughter??
::MonkeyDevil::

If he did, I think he'd have her head examined if she even thought about hanging out with the Sloot's!   ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 08, 2011, 02:43:42 PM
I think the woman in the pic with Valentijn, Adrian, and Samantha from the Lee Party is probably the one everyone calls "Mama" from the Kukoo-Kunuku party bus.

jmo

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Kukoo-Kunuku/89528128023?v=photos&so

Fan photos from Kukoo Kunuku

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs122.snc4/36442_403646352762_752557762_4488406_1395139_n.jpg)

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs385.snc4/44831_1363995946413_1427050272_30851472_2632876_n.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: klaasend on January 08, 2011, 02:59:00 PM
Earlier in the evening...

www.facebook.com

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/12312010_PartyatLees.jpg)

Pretty sure this background is from Confessions, and looks like Samantha in the same dress from the Lee party...

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=783490028

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/01082011_GabrielaGarciaGuedezFBprofilepic_SamanthaMeilands_NYE-1.jpg)

And guess who was the featured DJ?    ::MonkeyTongue::

http://www.facebook.com/confessionclubaruba

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/12312010_ConfessionsNYE-2.jpg)



AH, we just can't get rid of Steve Croes aka DJ Diablo  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: klaasend on January 08, 2011, 02:59:57 PM
Does Jay Leno have a daughter??
::MonkeyDevil::

If he did, I think he'd have her head examined if she even thought about hanging out with the Sloot's!   ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


I think her jaw dropped when she found out he was a Sloot


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: wreck on January 08, 2011, 03:07:26 PM
Does Jay Leno have a daughter??
::MonkeyDevil::

If he did, I think he'd have her head examined if she even thought about hanging out with the Sloot's!   ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


I think her jaw dropped when she found out he was a Sloot

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 08, 2011, 03:19:18 PM
http://www.trouw.nl/nieuws/nederland/article3366447.ece/Nog_geen_gouden_tip_in_moordzaak__Poentje__Castro.html

Google translation:

Not a great tip in murder 'Poentje' Castro

(AP) - The investigation into the death of 47-year old Aruban journalist John 'Poentje "three weeks ago, Castro has never delivered. Although, according to a spokesman of the Public Prosecutor of Aruba has daily tips come in, there is as yet no one arrested.

Thursday morning December 23 after Castro by his children was found dead in his garden, was first in Aruba called a Large-Scale Operations Team put on a case. Ten detectives are involved in the death of the journalist. Castro, who was known on the island and its own TV show had probably been shot.

Castro's death caused much turmoil and led to Aruba shocked reactions. Immediately after his death came to many law enforcement tips. The content and the number of tips may be nothing TO say. The case, according to the spokeswoman 'very seriously' taken.

The journalist was known in the Netherlands in 2008 by an interview with Patrick van Eem, which Joran van der Sloot had a hidden camera to talk about the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Castro dropped regularly with controversial topics. It is unclear whether this has anything to do with his death.


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Post by: texasmom on January 08, 2011, 03:47:42 PM
http://amigoenieuws.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1440:loslopende-leeuw-blijft-bewoners-bezighouden&catid=108:artikelen-aruba&Itemid=199

Google translation:

Stray 'lion' residents remain concerned

Saturday, 08 January 2011 6:46 p.m.

ORANGE CITY - Residents of eight Thursday Boroncana have again 'roar of a lion heard in their garden. According to the residents it was really a lion, while others have a puma or mountain lion talk. This, the police confirmed yesterday.

The residents reported around half past twelve at night to the emergency room of the police they heard shouting. Officers who responded to the report, have searched around but found no single animal.

Yesterday was already in our paper that there are persistent rumors about a lion in the North. Daily Herald spoke with the owner of the "zoo" at Alto Vista, Philip Merry Weather. He denied, however, a lion in his park, and also says no animals to be missed. His suggestion was that perhaps the beast is an ocelot or pardelkat. This is a feline with an average shoulder height of 50 inches and a length of 140 inches. The fur of an ocelot is similar to that of a cheetah. Merry Weather explained that two years ago in Aruba three ocelots have escaped. "We have one we can catch and one dead." He thinks it is possible that the third is now being identified.

Meanwhile, rumors persist about a lion in different media speculated about and morning newspaper Bon Dia states that yesterday several people have reported back from a big cat. It also reported that traces of 'greater than that of a big dog. " The paw print that was found in the Mondi would be about eight inches high.


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Post by: texasmom on January 08, 2011, 03:50:27 PM
Yesterday's edition

http://amigoenieuws.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1343:leeuw-gesignaleerd&catid=108:artikelen-aruba&Itemid=199

Google translation:

'Lion' identified

Friday, 07 January 2011 4:01 p.m.

ORANGE CITY - Several residents in the north would one day last lion in the vicinity of Alto Vista, walking around. The police also alerted and searched for the animal.
The owner of the zoo at Alto Vista, Philip Merry Weather, where the lion would come according to the rumors, gave a response that he is no lion in his zoo. "And I think there are no lions in Aruba. The police have been at my door to inquire whether the rumors are true. "Merry Weather indicates that it maybe be an ocelot (a small cat). "About two years ago on Aruba three ocelots escaped. We have to catch one and one we found dead. It may well be therefore that there is one leash. Maybe people have seen an ocelot instead of a lion. But one thing is certain, it is not a beast of me. "Papito Comenencia Police spokesman has heard the rumors and confirmed that the police had been searching. "This search has yielded nothing."


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Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 08, 2011, 04:36:06 PM
Yesterday's edition

http://amigoenieuws.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1343:leeuw-gesignaleerd&catid=108:artikelen-aruba&Itemid=199

Google translation:

'Lion' identified

Friday, 07 January 2011 4:01 p.m.

ORANGE CITY - Several residents in the north would one day last lion in the vicinity of Alto Vista, walking around. The police also alerted and searched for the animal.
The owner of the zoo at Alto Vista, Philip Merry Weather, where the lion would come according to the rumors, gave a response that he is no lion in his zoo. "And I think there are no lions in Aruba. The police have been at my door to inquire whether the rumors are true. "Merry Weather indicates that it maybe be an ocelot (a small cat). "About two years ago on Aruba three ocelots escaped. We have to catch one and one we found dead. It may well be therefore that there is one leash. Maybe people have seen an ocelot instead of a lion. But one thing is certain, it is not a beast of me. "Papito Comenencia Police spokesman has heard the rumors and confirmed that the police had been searching. "This search has yielded nothing."

Gee, two years ago 3 ocelot rumored to have escaped, yet he admits one was found and the other was dead.  The third must be wearing a lion disguise.   ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: klaasend on January 08, 2011, 05:05:54 PM
Mountain Lion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cougar ( included mountain lion)

Males typically weigh 53 to 100 kilograms (115 to 220 pounds), averaging 62 kg (137 lb). Females typically weigh between 29 and 64 kg (64 and 141 lb), averaging 42 kg (93 lb)

(http://manataka.org/images/Mountain%20Lion.jpg)

Ocelot

(http://www.newbonbon.com/tigcat.jpg)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocelot

typically weighs 8 to 10 kilograms (18 to 22 lb)

Snake


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/RenfroSnake2.gif)

Females usually the most venomous, weigh more and age faster than the non snake population


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Post by: MuffyBee on January 08, 2011, 05:11:01 PM
OT - Deborah Flores-Naravez's former boyfriend Jason "Blu" Griffith charged with murder. 


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Post by: Nut44x4 on January 08, 2011, 05:23:22 PM
Does Jay Leno have a daughter??

Where does it go when she.....nevermind :cool:


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 08, 2011, 07:13:21 PM
Mountain Lion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cougar ( included mountain lion)

Males typically weigh 53 to 100 kilograms (115 to 220 pounds), averaging 62 kg (137 lb). Females typically weigh between 29 and 64 kg (64 and 141 lb), averaging 42 kg (93 lb)

(http://manataka.org/images/Mountain%20Lion.jpg)

Ocelot

(http://www.newbonbon.com/tigcat.jpg)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocelot

typically weighs 8 to 10 kilograms (18 to 22 lb)

Snake


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/RenfroSnake2.gif)

Females usually the most venomous, weigh more and age faster than the non snake population

http://www.einformante.com/Local/niun-duda-cu-loke-a-bishita-buruncana-ta-un-qmontain-lionq-ata-e-prueba/

(http://www.einformante.com/images/stories/noticia/2011/January/jan1/lion/info2.jpg)

indicacion strong cu thing is bishitando buruncana is one "mountain lion"

saturday, 08 january 2011 10:17

north - already end for several day y for some person for several time, they're feel algo odd vooral in the district of burancana. in the ultimo dianan here the asunto owing to become more earnest at instant cu asistencia of police owing to wordo ask at one adres at buruncana caminda cu they owing to feel one lion, for odd cu the can sound one lion. at instant cu police owing to arrive they owing to confirma cu have one rastro of one beast big, cu at not know kico the is. but we owing to dicidi of bay in forest two day y owing to come achieve rasto of thing we is much assure of is of one mountain lion, cu is much comun at merca. vooral cu informacion cu we owing to compila cu will was have one mericano cu will owing to lose uno at instant cu this was diminutive y the la think cu the la die sinembargo this do not the caso apparently. in the two ultimo dianan here we owing to achieve his rastro enough far of buruncana y assure does not divulga where, for person not bay haci cos of caweta y ayanan in problem. we is much convenci where the is bibando, y is march one good distancia for can arrive buruncana. autoridadnan will have to dicidi kico is bay haci or trece one experto for capture. one pair of time behind one person canando in forest in vecindario owing to mire but never wanted owing to tell niun person for they not think cu the is loco. one another person two day behind also owing to succeed look at his back in his cura of cas. in day not have to worry mucho, but part night evita of let children diminutive play in cura. if have much person the do not aserca, they're timido can will general. esun here is show good comi, mirando con the rastro is gesink in teranos will follow informado of the desaroyo here assure uno interesting. not s lay down two pintura, esun narrow is of cacho esun more hanco is of one mountain lion of cual we is believe cu the beast here is.

(http://www.einformante.com/images/stories/noticia/2011/January/jan1/lion/info1.jpg)


one person canando in forest in vecindario owing to mire but never wanted owing to tell niun person for they not think cu the is loco.
 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: klaasend on January 08, 2011, 07:28:49 PM
(http://www.beartrackersden.com/beartracker/cougpr.gif)

http://www.bear-tracker.com/cougar.html

The tracks in Aruba don't look like mountain lion to me but I'm not an expert.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 08, 2011, 10:11:08 PM
A Major Cosmic WTF

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed.

Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kermit


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Post by: wreck on January 08, 2011, 10:40:15 PM
(http://www.beartrackersden.com/beartracker/cougpr.gif)

http://www.bear-tracker.com/cougar.html

The tracks in Aruba don't look like mountain lion to me but I'm not an expert.
Like every other animal mystery in Aruba ............... the "lion" is probably a donkey. Drugs and alcohol are major players in Aruba!  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 08, 2011, 10:41:36 PM
This Shocked Me

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kermit


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 08, 2011, 10:48:53 PM
(http://www.beartrackersden.com/beartracker/cougpr.gif)

http://www.bear-tracker.com/cougar.html

The tracks in Aruba don't look like mountain lion to me but I'm not an expert.
Like every other animal mystery in Aruba ............... the "lion" is probably a donkey. Drugs and alcohol are major players in Aruba!  ::MonkeyDevil::
::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 09, 2011, 02:27:59 AM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_kjjkik_1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE AND STEPHANY!
 ::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 09, 2011, 03:58:34 AM
God sometimes does try to the uttermost those whom he wishes to bless.
Mohandas Gandhi



::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 09, 2011, 07:16:14 AM
(http://www.beartrackersden.com/beartracker/cougpr.gif)

http://www.bear-tracker.com/cougar.html

The tracks in Aruba don't look like mountain lion to me but I'm not an expert.
Like every other animal mystery in Aruba ............... the "lion" is probably a donkey. Drugs and alcohol are major players in Aruba!  ::MonkeyDevil::

A new tourist attraction!! BIGFOOT!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Blonde on January 09, 2011, 10:38:15 AM
Did anyone get a extra ticket to see Beth my sister in law wants to go she now has that day off please email me i think it's too late to get one from the school I will try tomorrow
Blondeonahd@gmail.com TY


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Post by: texasmom on January 09, 2011, 02:45:42 PM
http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/26276-breaking-news-boto-a-bolter-na-rodgers-beach-cu-resultado-fatal.html

Papiamentu translation:

boat owing to bolter at rodgers beach cu result fateful

sunday, 09 january 2011 13:08

almenos cuatro person was abordo one boat of 10 leg at height of rodgers beach cu will owing to bolter debi at one wave big. one person will owing to lose his life, another three owing to being rescata at life incluyendo one child at height of refineria valero. stay pendiente for more info... come across


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 09, 2011, 02:52:45 PM
http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/26276-breaking-news-boto-a-bolter-na-rodgers-beach-cu-resultado-fatal.html

Papiamentu translation:

boat owing to bolter at rodgers beach cu result fateful

sunday, 09 january 2011 13:08

almenos cuatro person was abordo one boat of 10 leg at height of rodgers beach cu will owing to bolter debi at one wave big. one person will owing to lose his life, another three owing to being rescata at life incluyendo one child at height of refineria valero. stay pendiente for more info... come across

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/26276-breaking-news-boto-a-bolter-na-rodgers-beach-cu-resultado-fatal.html

Papiamentu translation:

esteban briesen owing to hoga after cu sink owing to bolter at rodgers beach

sunday, 09 january 2011 13:08

one caso tristo owing to sosode diadomingo afternoon at rodgers beach caminda he adult end esteban briesen owing to fayece. the first informe owing to enter via the yacht energy cu is haci charter. they owing to beat alarma after cu owing to enter informacion cu one boat bolter y they have two person of cual uno do not give sign of life. wave owing to tapa the boat of diez leg seems y cu all consecuencia cu past owing to sink at 200 metre for of ground. autoridad owing to go cu urgencia.

tug boat gutu of valero also owing to leave because was wordo menciona cu have cu owing to swim arrive in the area of the refineria. also kustwacht owing to saca his boat. at pier of rodgers beach owing to trece the curpa without life of esteban briesen. famianan also owing to arrive at esitio. all the time owing to achieve informacion cu keto go was have a perdi. owing to follow cu the buskeda. the tugboat gutu owing to notifica via his sistema of marine radio cu they're mirando one child is zwaai on baranca pabao of rodgers beach. the personal of kustwacht owing to go at once eynan y owing to come come across cune also. so owing to succeed achieve esnan perdi cu was children while cu the adult owing to hoga. is being menciona cu the is abide of curazon. paz at his restonan y much forza at the family. doctor owing to present at the sitio y constata dead eynan self 1or y 51 of afternoon. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 09, 2011, 03:25:08 PM
Did anyone get a extra ticket to see Beth my sister in law wants to go she now has that day off please email me i think it's too late to get one from the school I will try tomorrow
Blondeonahd@gmail.com TY


I could be wrong but ... I do not think tickets are available at the school.

860-444-5848 (WYS) - Mark

I hope your SIL is able to get a ticket.  I would love to be in Waterford on January 13th to listen to Beth in person as she shares with others the foundation she has drawn her strength from in the past 5 1/2 years.  However ... it is not going to happen.  I am hoping a transcript of video emerges.

Janet



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Post by: texasmom on January 09, 2011, 03:31:14 PM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/26261-maria-isabel-kock-a-traha-su-scriptie-den-un-buki-riba-efecto-nathalee-holloway.html

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/01092011_24ora_MariaKock1.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

maria isabel kock owing to work his scriptie in one book on efecto nathalee holloway

saturday, 08 january 2011 22:36

maria isabel kock is one young cu owing to end of termina his study at the netherlands cu owing to finalisa cu defence of his scriptie. because; cu the exercise of his scriptie had of haber cu turism, past owing to haci entrega of this at minister of turism otmar oduber. the exercise of his scriptie was natalee holloway y his impacto on turism for aruba time cu past owing to desaparece. past owing to scoge for her exercise here basa the atención cu the exercise here was achieve continuamente for of media. eal owing to compila datonan cu past owing to achieve for of cbs, centraal bureau statistiek y of various articulo cu past owing to read. his conclusión is cu the not had influencia negative for aruba, y even can tell cu the was one some positive, this because the hendenan was more conoci cu aruba. the young owing to splica cu the articulonan was bay on cosnan big y owing to base of esey look at kico negative the is trece y esey have to owing to haci the comparación cu the caso of natalee holloway. maria isabel kock owing to study transport logistiek y marketing y after of defende his scriptie cual owing to wordo work on one model completamente new, cu the comisión not owing to comprende mucho, past owing to finalisa his study.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/01092011_24ora_MariaKock_2.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/01092011_24ora_MariaKock4.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/01092011_24ora_MariaKock3.jpg)




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 09, 2011, 03:43:51 PM


http://www.amazon.com/Natalee-Holloways-impact-tourism-demand/dp/3843368759

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Natalee Holloway's impact on the tourism demand of Aruba: An unfortunate incident [Paperback]
M. Kock (Author)
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The purpose of this research is to analyze what effect the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, an American teenage girl, had on the tourism demand of Aruba. A review of cases will reveal if personal harm (loss), in combination with media attention, can have an impact on the tourism demand of a location and therefore also give an indication of what can be expected for the case of Aruba. The findings in this research suggest that the tourism demand coming from the three major markets of Aruba did not experience any significant impact from the disappearance of Natalee Holloway incident.

About the Author
As a native to Aruba and an Economics student I wondered if the disappearance of Natalee Holloway would have any effect on the tourism demand of Aruba.

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Post by: texasmom on January 09, 2011, 03:57:00 PM
http://oaithesis.eur.nl/ir/repub/asset/5044/Masterscriptie%20Marisabel%20Kock.pdf

You can read her thesis at the link:

I haven't read much of it yet, I've got a lot going on at the moment.

But in scrolling through I did find this interesting.

snipped

6.2 Recommendations
Possible future research might be able to obtain a better model if the marketing and
promotions budget were to be included.  Due to the lack of cooperation this was not the case.
However this data might be relevant for establishing a more accurate relation between Aruba’s
tourism demand and the impact of the Natalee Holloway incident. Additionally, marketing and
promotions budget undoubtedly have an effect on the tourism demand itself, which could
strengthens the model.

Future tourism policies might want to look at the best way in which such incidents could be
prevented. As can be seen from the results, tourists (American and Dutch) still feel safe on the
island. However if this were to happen on a more frequent basis, this safe image that Aruba
now possess may be tarnished. That is why preventive measure should be put into place, such
as in the case of Jamaica and Saint Lucia, in order to limit the impact of these incidents
recurring





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 09, 2011, 03:59:19 PM
O/T

It's snowing and sticking!   ::MonkeySkate::

Now, if the power will just stay on!  :monkeywithherfingerscrossed:  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 09, 2011, 04:40:58 PM
Kyle Kingman, Tim Miller, Tim Trahan and John Silvetti ... think about it very carefully.

Janet

+++++


Parable of the Lamp

Mark 4:21-23


Then Jesus asked them, “Would anyone light a lamp and then put it under a basket or under a bed? Of course not! A lamp is placed on a stand, where its light will shine.  For everything that is hidden will eventually be brought into the open, and every secret will be brought to light.  Anyone with ears to hear should listen and understand.”


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: klaasend on January 09, 2011, 05:12:29 PM
http://oaithesis.eur.nl/ir/repub/asset/5044/Masterscriptie%20Marisabel%20Kock.pdf

You can read her thesis at the link:

I haven't read much of it yet, I've got a lot going on at the moment.

But in scrolling through I did find this interesting.

snipped

6.2 Recommendations
Possible future research might be able to obtain a better model if the marketing and
promotions budget were to be included.  Due to the lack of cooperation this was not the case.
However this data might be relevant for establishing a more accurate relation between Aruba’s
tourism demand and the impact of the Natalee Holloway incident. Additionally, marketing and
promotions budget undoubtedly have an effect on the tourism demand itself, which could
strengthens the model.

Future tourism policies might want to look at the best way in which such incidents could be
prevented. As can be seen from the results, tourists (American and Dutch) still feel safe on the
island. However if this were to happen on a more frequent basis, this safe image that Aruba
now possess may be tarnished. That is why preventive measure should be put into place, such
as in the case of Jamaica and Saint Lucia, in order to limit the impact of these incidents
recurring





Thanks TM! From the pdf above:

Figure 2: Aruba’s tourism market share

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/2011Jan/ArubaTurismShare.jpg)


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Post by: MuffyBee on January 09, 2011, 05:32:02 PM
O/T

It's snowing and sticking!   ::MonkeySkate::

Now, if the power will just stay on!  :monkeywithherfingerscrossed:  ::MonkeyHaHa::


OT Love the snow, but I hope your power stays on too!  (http://bestsmileys.com/winter/6.gif)


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Post by: SuzieQ on January 09, 2011, 05:56:23 PM


http://www.amazon.com/Natalee-Holloways-impact-tourism-demand/dp/3843368759

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Natalee Holloway's impact on the tourism demand of Aruba: An unfortunate incident [Paperback]
M. Kock (Author)
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The purpose of this research is to analyze what effect the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, an American teenage girl, had on the tourism demand of Aruba. A review of cases will reveal if personal harm (loss), in combination with media attention, can have an impact on the tourism demand of a location and therefore also give an indication of what can be expected for the case of Aruba. The findings in this research suggest that the tourism demand coming from the three major markets of Aruba did not experience any significant impact from the disappearance of Natalee Holloway incident.

About the Author
As a native to Aruba and an Economics student I wondered if the disappearance of Natalee Holloway would have any effect on the tourism demand of Aruba.

Product Details
Paperback: 100 pages
Publisher: LAP LAMBERT Academic Publishing (November 16, 2010)
Language: English
ISBN-10: 3843368759
ISBN-13: 978-3843368759
Product Dimensions: 8.7 x 5.9 x 0.2 inches
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Wow, $67.00 for a 100 page paperback. I wonder how many they will sell at that price?


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Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 09, 2011, 06:18:43 PM


http://www.amazon.com/Natalee-Holloways-impact-tourism-demand/dp/3843368759

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Natalee Holloway's impact on the tourism demand of Aruba: An unfortunate incident [Paperback]
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The purpose of this research is to analyze what effect the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, an American teenage girl, had on the tourism demand of Aruba. A review of cases will reveal if personal harm (loss), in combination with media attention, can have an impact on the tourism demand of a location and therefore also give an indication of what can be expected for the case of Aruba. The findings in this research suggest that the tourism demand coming from the three major markets of Aruba did not experience any significant impact from the disappearance of Natalee Holloway incident.

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As a native to Aruba and an Economics student I wondered if the disappearance of Natalee Holloway would have any effect on the tourism demand of Aruba.

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Wow, $67.00 for a 100 page paperback. I wonder how many they will sell at that price?

Yes, I noticed that, too, SuzieQ.  It appears that the publisher concentrates on research articles, thesis, etc.  The author receives an 'attributable commission' and one free copy of the book, which is published for free. 

http://lap-publishing.com/


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Post by: texasmom on January 09, 2011, 06:46:36 PM


http://www.amazon.com/Natalee-Holloways-impact-tourism-demand/dp/3843368759

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Natalee Holloway's impact on the tourism demand of Aruba: An unfortunate incident [Paperback]
M. Kock (Author)
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The purpose of this research is to analyze what effect the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, an American teenage girl, had on the tourism demand of Aruba. A review of cases will reveal if personal harm (loss), in combination with media attention, can have an impact on the tourism demand of a location and therefore also give an indication of what can be expected for the case of Aruba. The findings in this research suggest that the tourism demand coming from the three major markets of Aruba did not experience any significant impact from the disappearance of Natalee Holloway incident.

About the Author
As a native to Aruba and an Economics student I wondered if the disappearance of Natalee Holloway would have any effect on the tourism demand of Aruba.

Product Details
Paperback: 100 pages
Publisher: LAP LAMBERT Academic Publishing (November 16, 2010)
Language: English
ISBN-10: 3843368759
ISBN-13: 978-3843368759
Product Dimensions: 8.7 x 5.9 x 0.2 inches
Shipping Weight: 6.9 ounces (View shipping rates and policies)
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Wow, $67.00 for a 100 page paperback. I wonder how many they will sell at that price?

I laughed when I saw how much it was... ::MonkeyHaHa::

How many will sell at that price?

IMO...nada.   ::MonkeyJnBox::

My guess is they must not have printed very many of them either.


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Post by: Tamikosmom on January 09, 2011, 10:30:19 PM
Psalm 28:
The LORD is my strength and my shield; in him my heart trusts, and I am helped.


++++++

2005

THE WORK YET TO BE DONE

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway


Page 189:    It's the proverbial, Biblical conflict between good and evil.  It's very, very hard to fight evil because it constantly changes form and you never know who your enemies are.  And evil is always two steps ahead. From the outset we never had a chance.  But we didn't know it.  I'm taking leave of the island, but not from the work yet to be done.

Page 208-209:  The goal of education is twofold: to bring a message about personal safety to high-school and college students and to educate travellers.  ... Bad things happen everywhere.  But the difference we need to consider when something bad happens outside the country is the help available for the victims and their families.  When we leave these borders, we leave behind all the privileges and rights we're all accustomed to and often take for granted.  We have expectations that there will be a safety net of law-abiding official, no matter where we travel, or that our US embassy will come to our rescue.  But that's terribly naive.


2010

MAKING A DIFFERENCE

Talking To Beth Holloway Five Years After Natalee's Disappearance
05/30/10 1:45 pm


Making A Difference

Beth tells the story of Natalee's disappearance to high school and college students round the nation as part of her work with the Natalee Holloway Resource Center,which launches in D.C. on June 8

"The Natalee Holloway Resource Center is focusing on education and crime prevention, and in the event that a loved one goes missing we have the resources and the contacts to assist the families."

http://www.abc3340.com/news/stories/0510/741129.html


Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC

Mayday 360
http://www.mayday360.com/default.aspx

 :smt060


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: IBE on January 09, 2011, 10:37:08 PM
Please all stay warm, safe from the storms. Watch out for not only ice but black ice.

Sad weekend also for America!

CNN just had the mom and dad of the deceased young girl. She was born on a tragic day (9/11/2001) and died on a tragic day.

God them all those suffering.


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Post by: IBE on January 09, 2011, 10:38:55 PM
Sorry, meant to say God guard all those and help those who are suffering.


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Post by: Tamikosmom on January 09, 2011, 11:22:22 PM
Sorry, meant to say God guard all those and help those who are suffering.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Hi IBE

I hope you are well?

Janet


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Post by: wreck on January 09, 2011, 11:42:49 PM
Please all stay warm, safe from the storms. Watch out for not only ice but black ice.

Sad weekend also for America!

CNN just had the mom and dad of the deceased young girl. She was born on a tragic day (9/11/2001) and died on a tragic day.

God them all those suffering.
Very sad. There are just too many disturbed bastards in the world. Politics are not the root of evil -- only seriously sick indviduals.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 10, 2011, 02:14:54 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_kjjkik_1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE AND STEPHANY!
 ::MonkeyJustice::



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Post by: klaasend on January 10, 2011, 02:01:26 PM
Isn't really a  problem here but Muffy and I are posting this message in all the threads.

REMINDER:  WE REQUIRE WHEN POSTING A QUOTE OF AN ARTICLE OR EVEN ANOTHER POSTER THAT YOU EITHER SUPPLY THE LINK OR QUOTE THE POST.  PLEASE DON'T JUST SAY "ACCORDING TO", OR "I READ".  WE ALWAYS WANT A LINK BACK TO THE SOURCE.  WE HAVE NOTICED RECENTLY PEOPLE HAVE BEEN NEGLECTING TO DO SO.  THANKS!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 10, 2011, 03:11:43 PM
 ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=592926814&sk=wall


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 10, 2011, 10:01:49 PM
Did anyone get a extra ticket to see Beth my sister in law wants to go she now has that day off please email me i think it's too late to get one from the school I will try tomorrow
Blondeonahd@gmail.com TY


I could be wrong but ... I do not think tickets are available at the school.

860-444-5848 (WYS) - Mark

I hope your SIL is able to get a ticket.  I would love to be in Waterford on January 13th to listen to Beth in person as she shares with others the foundation she has drawn her strength from in the past 5 1/2 years.  However ... it is not going to happen.  I am hoping a transcript of video emerges.

Janet



Blonde

Was your attempt to get a ticket for your SIL successful?

I am concerned about the safety of Beth as well as those in attendance.  I have been informed that the weather forecast for Waterford later in the week is "iffy" in regards to snow conditions.

Other than admiring the Christmas card scene that can be viewed from our living room window ... I hate winter!!

Janet

+++++

Beth Holloway - In Person and In Her Own Words

When her daughter went missing in Aruba, her life changed forever.  How does one muster the courage to persevere in the face of sheer adversity?  Do we all have the capacity to overcome tragedy?  How does one keep going?  You will be uplifed by the remarkable story of Beth Holloway.  How does she stay strong.  Imagine being able to apply her philosophies of courage, dedication, faith and strength to your own life.

http://waterfordpolice.org/cms/images/forms/bethholloway2_1.pdf



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 10, 2011, 10:27:59 PM
Did anyone get a extra ticket to see Beth my sister in law wants to go she now has that day off please email me i think it's too late to get one from the school I will try tomorrow
Blondeonahd@gmail.com TY


I could be wrong but ... I do not think tickets are available at the school.

860-444-5848 (WYS) - Mark

I hope your SIL is able to get a ticket.  I would love to be in Waterford on January 13th to listen to Beth in person as she shares with others the foundation she has drawn her strength from in the past 5 1/2 years.  However ... it is not going to happen.  I am hoping a transcript of video emerges.

Janet



Blonde

Was your attempt to get a ticket for your SIL successful?

I am concerned about the safety of Beth as well as those in attendance.  I have been informed that the weather forecast for Waterford later in the week is "iffy" in regards to snow conditions.

Other than admiring the Christmas card scene that can be viewed from our living room window ... I hate winter!!

Janet

+++++

Beth Holloway - In Person and In Her Own Words

When her daughter went missing in Aruba, her life changed forever.  How does one muster the courage to persevere in the face of sheer adversity?  Do we all have the capacity to overcome tragedy?  How does one keep going?  You will be uplifed by the remarkable story of Beth Holloway.  How does she stay strong.  Imagine being able to apply her philosophies of courage, dedication, faith and strength to your own life.

http://waterfordpolice.org/cms/images/forms/bethholloway2_1.pdf



I am not a weather forecaster, but the storm moving up the coast should arrive tomorrow night and into Wednesday morning in our area (according to recent reports).  It's supposed to be fast moving, but air travel and such most certainly can be affected.  In fact, I'm not sure if Atlanta's airport is getting back to 'normal' after their hit with this current snow/sleet storm track.


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Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2011, 02:28:36 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/06212010_PeopleMagazine_Beth2.jpg)


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Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 11, 2011, 11:14:16 AM
http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/Valero-to-Restart-More-Units-at-Aruba-Refinery-an-Industrial-Info-News-Alert-1378289.htm

 
Jan 11, 2011 05:30 ET

Valero to Restart More Units at Aruba Refinery, an Industrial Info News Alert
SUGAR LAND, TX--(Marketwire - January 11, 2011) - Researched by Industrial Info Resources (Sugar Land, Texas) -- Valero Energy Corporation (NYSE:VLO) (San Antonio, Texas) is planning to restart the company's Aruba refinery within the next week following a lengthy shutdown. Valero, which purchased the refinery in 2004, chose to shut it down on July 16 of last year due to poor refining margins, but left the refinery on standby in case a restart was required.

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: klaasend on January 11, 2011, 01:23:26 PM
Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW

Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending

Future Hearings

03/11/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion for Summary Judgment ((c/f 1-6-11))

04/04/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Final Status Conference (T/D 4-11-2011)

04/11/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Jury Trial (J/T 25 DAY EST.)


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/2011Jan/DrPhilK2SummaryJudgement031111.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Blonde on January 11, 2011, 01:39:03 PM
Did anyone get a extra ticket to see Beth my sister in law wants to go she now has that day off please email me i think it's too late to get one from the school I will try tomorrow
Blondeonahd@gmail.com TY


I could be wrong but ... I do not think tickets are available at the school.

860-444-5848 (WYS) - Mark

I hope your SIL is able to get a ticket.  I would love to be in Waterford on January 13th to listen to Beth in person as she shares with others the foundation she has drawn her strength from in the past 5 1/2 years.  However ... it is not going to happen.  I am hoping a transcript of video emerges.

Janet



Blonde

Was your attempt to get a ticket for your SIL successful?

I am concerned about the safety of Beth as well as those in attendance.  I have been informed that the weather forecast for Waterford later in the week is "iffy" in regards to snow conditions.

Other than admiring the Christmas card scene that can be viewed from our living room window ... I hate winter!!

Janet

+++++

Beth Holloway - In Person and In Her Own Words




When her daughter went missing in Aruba, her life changed forever.  How does one muster the courage to persevere in the face of sheer adversity?  Do we all have the capacity to overcome tragedy?  How does one keep going?  You will be uplifed by the remarkable story of Beth Holloway.  How does she stay strong.  Imagine being able to apply her philosophies of courage, dedication, faith and strength to your own life.

http://waterfordpolice.org/cms/images/forms/bethholloway2_1.pdf



Yes I did get a extra ticket  a friend picked it up for me today.TY


Edit: fixed post within quote


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: can on January 11, 2011, 03:35:41 PM
Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW

Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending

Future Hearings

03/11/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion for Summary Judgment ((c/f 1-6-11))

04/04/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Final Status Conference (T/D 4-11-2011)

04/11/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Jury Trial (J/T 25 DAY EST.)


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/2011Jan/DrPhilK2SummaryJudgement031111.jpg)

Thank you Klaas and anonymous contributer.
I'm surprised it is estimated to take 25 days.  Thought it would be shorter.

Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Kalpoes back out at the eleventh hour.   ::MonkeyBike::



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Post by: klaasend on January 11, 2011, 05:01:05 PM
http://www.24ora.com/index.php

Homber a pone fin na su bida na Hooiberg    Print    E-mail
Tuesday, 11 January 2011 17:50

Diamars atardi autoridadnan policial a haya e informe cu lo mester tin un homber morto na Hooiberg. Na nan yegada ta bin topa cu un homber cu no ta duna señal di bida den un auto. Tin tur indicacion cu e homber aki lo a usa e maniobra di pone un slang na e muffler y manda esaki paden di e auto te cu e persona a stik.


Through translator:


man owing to place end at his life at hooiberg

tuesday, 11 january 2011 17:50

tuesday nightfall autoridadnan policial owing to achieve the informe cu will have to have one man dead at hooiberg. at they arrival is come come across cu one man cu do not give sign of life in one car. have all indicacion cu he here will owing to using the maniobra of place one slang at the muffler y send this inside of the car till cu the person owing to stik.

Caught my eye because the Kalpoes live in Hooiberg


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2011, 05:40:52 PM
http://www.24ora.com/index.php

Homber a pone fin na su bida na Hooiberg    Print    E-mail
Tuesday, 11 January 2011 17:50

Diamars atardi autoridadnan policial a haya e informe cu lo mester tin un homber morto na Hooiberg. Na nan yegada ta bin topa cu un homber cu no ta duna señal di bida den un auto. Tin tur indicacion cu e homber aki lo a usa e maniobra di pone un slang na e muffler y manda esaki paden di e auto te cu e persona a stik.


Through translator:


man owing to place end at his life at hooiberg

tuesday, 11 january 2011 17:50

tuesday nightfall autoridadnan policial owing to achieve the informe cu will have to have one man dead at hooiberg. at they arrival is come come across cu one man cu do not give sign of life in one car. have all indicacion cu he here will owing to using the maniobra of place one slang at the muffler y send this inside of the car till cu the person owing to stik.

Caught my eye because the Kalpoes live in Hooiberg

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/26364-homber-a-pone-fin-na-su-bida-na-hooiberg.html

snipped

Ta trata aki di e cabayero Rene de Kort nasi na Hulanda dia 28 di Januari 1944. E la wordo haya den un Nissan Pick Up A-45841.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 11, 2011, 05:56:02 PM
Did anyone get a extra ticket to see Beth my sister in law wants to go she now has that day off please email me i think it's too late to get one from the school I will try tomorrow
Blondeonahd@gmail.com TY


I could be wrong but ... I do not think tickets are available at the school.

860-444-5848 (WYS) - Mark

I hope your SIL is able to get a ticket.  I would love to be in Waterford on January 13th to listen to Beth in person as she shares with others the foundation she has drawn her strength from in the past 5 1/2 years.  However ... it is not going to happen.  I am hoping a transcript of video emerges.

Janet



Blonde

Was your attempt to get a ticket for your SIL successful?

I am concerned about the safety of Beth as well as those in attendance.  I have been informed that the weather forecast for Waterford later in the week is "iffy" in regards to snow conditions.

Other than admiring the Christmas card scene that can be viewed from our living room window ... I hate winter!!

Janet

+++++

Beth Holloway - In Person and In Her Own Words

When her daughter went missing in Aruba, her life changed forever.  How does one muster the courage to persevere in the face of sheer adversity?  Do we all have the capacity to overcome tragedy?  How does one keep going?  You will be uplifed by the remarkable story of Beth Holloway.  How does she stay strong.  Imagine being able to apply her philosophies of courage, dedication, faith and strength to your own life.

http://waterfordpolice.org/cms/images/forms/bethholloway2_1.pdf



Yes I did get a extra ticket  a friend picked it up for me today.TY

Edit: fixed post within quote

Blonde ... that's great!

I would have thought that this late date those precious little tickets would be hard to come by through the regular channels.

Other than snow possibly creating problems ... I have only positive thoughts regarding Thurday evening.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: klaasend on January 11, 2011, 06:09:54 PM
Thanks TM


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2011, 07:00:30 PM
Warning, the BS gets pretty deep in this one. 

http://www.facebook.com/titolacle?sk=wall

Tito Lacle
question: if all air traffic activity is recorded as minister says, how come we have no records of a 'mistery flight' in may 2005 with a 'Holloway' passenger aboard?
19 hours ago · Share
22 people like this.

Renée Gielen Good question!
19 hours ago

Carl Gerold Gomez Where is Julian Assange when you need him??
19 hours ago ·  2 people

Reymundo Kelly Hmmm...why indeed,very strange !!!
19 hours ago

Lilian Kock bai na universel aviation y nan si tin e record!!!
18 hours ago ·  1 person

Renée Gielen ‎@Lillian: the records disappeared!
18 hours ago

Lilian Kock Hhhhmm...straño ami a traha e vuelo ey e dia anochi ey.
18 hours ago ·  1 person

Armandito Villasmil Have you ever heard of Occam's razor?
18 hours ago

Tito Lacle Tell me
18 hours ago

Lilian Kock http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor
18 hours ago

Armandito Villasmil In this day and age you google or check it out at Wikipedia... But it is based on the idea that "simpler theories are, other things being equal, generally better than more complex ones"
18 hours ago

Tito Lacle ‎@ villasmil.. I know.. but wasnt in a place where I could google..
18 hours ago

Armandito Villasmil ‎:-)
18 hours ago

Margaret Wever ‎@Lilian...e vuelo Holloway of e vuelo "dilemma Dec 30/31"
18 hours ago

Nancy Lemmers on a "need to know" basis .......
17 hours ago

Nicey Morgan ‎@ Tito - Am sure all flights are recorded. Touch down/ Take off.
17 hours ago

Lilian Kock ‎@ margaret.... tur dos
17 hours ago ·  1 person

Margaret Wever ‎@Lilian...what are the odds of that...abo a traha TUR dos vuelo? OMG. Ay no, suerte no ta companjabo...aunke, si bo tabata un part time reporter...WOW!
17 hours ago

Lilian Kock Hahahahhaha.....ja esey ta pasa ora bo ta den mundo di aviacion
17 hours ago ·  1 person

Tito Lacle ok.. false alarm.. was referring to the return flight of natalee to the states.. :(
17 hours ago ·  1 person

Lilian Kock ja bo a bisa di Holloway bo no a specifica cu no tbt e mama bo tbt kiermen :)
17 hours ago

Sindhya Baerecke E pregunta ey parse mi.....martin riba e klabu....
17 hours ago

Lilian Kock hahaha@ Tito bo ta echt ta kere e vuelo ey a excisti???
17 hours ago

Margaret Wever hmmmmm....was there no flightplan for the place where that plane should/would have landed? is it easier to check than it has been checked? hmmmm
17 hours ago

Tito Lacle R u talking about the AA flight?
17 hours ago

Evelyne Wong U have seen A Few Good Man?
17 hours ago

Dilma Arends Geerman There are records, and I have seen the documents, and the PG also has copies of them, of a flight that left Aruba with an American girl, who left the island legally, but there is no record of her entering the island. The plane used, was a regular on the island, and since that departure nor the pilot nor the plane ever returned...So the flight left legally, and the people left legally as well. Just one did not enter the island legally....so, draw your own conclusions...
16 hours ago

Patrice Hawkins ‎???? she left under a different name????
15 hours ago ·  1 person

Dilma Arends Geerman The name of the girl who left legally is known...who she really was, we don't....
14 hours ago

Maria Tromp different Minister, different (cover-up) procedures!
11 hours ago

Judella Werleman Damn...Holloway AGAIN??? Sick and tired of her..........y tur e alabansa cu nos ta duna e case aki !!!!
10 hours ago

Maria Tromp Sick of it ..si of no... solamente si tur cos sali na cla kk a pasa, Aruba lo stop di hanja e attencion relaciona cu e caso aki. Na tur esnan cu ta fada: "het zal je kind maar wezen".
10 hours ago

Tito Lacle maria and judella.. I hear you.. really..
10 hours ago

Maria Tromp Okido, Tito...
10 hours ago

Judella Werleman Mi ta compronde cu elo ta moeilijk pa un mama perde su jui: SI DI BERDAD E JUI TA PERDI. Paso un hende NO por desaparese asina ey, dus pami e ta un complot cu lo trese HOOOOPI problema pa jen di hende, dus ta mihor cu e tal Joran ey haya culpa, cu jen di otro hende haya culpa.
Y e promer culpabel ta e propio Nathalee cu a subi den auto cu hende cu e no echt conose.........pero segun mi e ta un setup di e familia mes y si NO ta asina mi ta hopi sorry pa e mama, pero STOP di CULPA ARUBA, SICK of that. Henter un isla no tin culpa di esey!!
manera Maria a bisa, different Minister, different (cover-up) procedures!
10 hours ago

Tito Lacle judella.. BINGOOOOOOOO
10 hours ago

Renée Gielen ‎@Dilma, if tihis girl left legally but entered illegally, what did Immigration do upon her departure, not having an entry ticket?
10 hours ago

Dilma Arends Geerman I guess Mr. Pietersz should have the answer to that, right?
10 hours ago

Renée Gielen ‎@Dilma:yep, indeed.....
@Judella: the bashing of Aruba was/is way out. The Alabama boycott was way out, the way Beth Holloway talked/talks about ALE is way out, so, what does that tell you? If we can put our finger on Natalee having left the island, the case is solved, the scapegoat is free for that and life can move on. Amen
10 hours ago

Vivian Wever I always entertained the theory that she left 'legally". Why? Because when her mother came to Aruba and went to Natalee's hotel room she stated: Natalee's passsport was neatly on a table. This statement bothered me. Usually girls or nobody for that mather leaves their passport on a table while they are still going out the night before. And most importantly: the passport is too obvious placed to confuse that she did NOT leave the island. While we know she could leave with another passport or ID. I dont think it is extremely difficult in the US to get false IDs. The passport always appeared "planted" to me. it was mentioned various times: she did NOT leave the island because her passport is here!!
8 hours ago

Vivian Wever Why has it never been disclosed whether there was a life insurance on Natalee. I heard a radio inverterview of the mother where she was asked about life insurance. She stated: I never closed a life insurance on Natalee! She did not say that there was no insurance.
8 hours ago

Vivian Wever Aruba should have high definiton cameras to record everyone who arrives and leaves the island, to prevent future scams.
8 hours ago

Tito Lacle good points Vivian
8 hours ago

Ricardo E. Yarzagaray ‎@ Tito: except for the second case of Stefany Flores ..... "all things being equal...?"
8 hours ago

Renée Gielen ‎@Vivian, as far as I know. 1. At the time it was not necessary to enter and leave Aruba with a passport, coming from US. However, all the kids had their passports with them, and as mentioned in documents, the chaperones held the passports. 2. If the chaperones held the passports, how come that Natalee's was on her bed? Maybe she needed it, because it is said that she withdrew money the day before she disappeared. And then, as I found out, she left the island with a different passport. And even that is not that strange, because she may have applied for an adult passport before she left, which left her with 2 passports. Can you still follow?
7 hours ago

Renée Gielen ‎@Ricardo, In my opinion, based upon info, the moment the Holloway case is solved, the things leading to the Peru case will become very clear.
7 hours ago

Renée Gielen ‎@Vivian, there was a rumor that Beth asked for a death certificate on june 10. But as I did/do not base my investigation on rumors, I did not pay attention to this. But, in may 07, Beth declared in a document, signed by an notary, that, based upon everything that happened, she could not conclude otherwise than that Natalee must be dead. And that is not a rumor!!!
There is so much more....
7 hours ago

Ricardo E. Yarzagaray ‎@ Renee: Really!? Tell me more! BTW, there where only 4 chaperones for the 120 students. Check your facts.
7 hours ago

Renée Gielen ‎@Ricardo, there were 6 or 7, not 4......facts!
7 hours ago

Ricardo E. Yarzagaray Maybe, but still to few. 1. Listen, you are trying, it would seem, to convince people that Joran is innocent but the fact is that he most probably murdered Flores and that makes the assumption of innocence very, very slim. 2. You also fail to acknowledge, it seems, to remember that big screw up of the trio Van der Straaten, Karin Janssen and Paulus Van der Sloot the (R.I.P.) with regard to the arrest of those two poor black security guards and -4.- trying to impede the lawyer Lejuez access to them while -5- at the same time NOT arresting the three suspects (Joran and the Kalpoe brothers) after they told LIES about dropping Natalee of at the Holiday Inn!! 6. That was very bad and indicates a cover up as well as rampant in fighting in the prosecution's office. 7. The memo of June 10 2005 (if I recall correctly) sent from the Court of Appeals in Willemstad forbidding any judge stationed in Aruba was not complete. It should of ALSO have forbidden any prosecutor (Karin Janssen) working in Aruba to touch that case since Paulus Van der Sloot worked for a very long time at the Attorney General's office (maybe you know exactly for how long?).
7 hours ago

Vivian Wever ‎@ Renee: was this a notary in Aruba? She tought is was easy to get a death certificate in Aruba but this is not the case it is not easy.
7 hours ago

Renée Gielen ‎@Ricardo, I have never tried to convince people that Joran is/would be innocent. Never ever. I have tried to convince people that there is a complete different side to this story. That is it.
I started investigating this case in june 05 ...(after TweeVandaag sent me to Aruba to make a report about the case and to interview Beth H.). More interviews followed for Dutch news stations.
Last month Antilliaans Dagblad as well as RNW interviewed me again about the case, there as well you can read my thoughts about the case.
@Vivian, no, this was an Alabama notary.
6 hours ago

Ricardo E. Yarzagaray ‎@ Renee: Noted, however there is a thin line between "other side of the story" and bias. For this reason I summarized the most relevant highlights which in my view should indicate to anyone that after the Flores murder one should review and re-assess what went wrong ...... on all sides.
6 hours ago

Vivian Wever ‎@ Ricardo: also consider that even in the US a lot of times it is not even permitted to bring another case in evidence in order not to bias a jury. Although it might seem difficult, every case has to be evaluated on its own merits/evidence. And up to now on the Aruba case there is not one iota of evidence to convict anyone or even to prove what crime was committed (if any).....
6 hours ago ·  1 person

Renée Gielen ‎@Ricardo, I am not biased, nor tunnelvionaired and Joran plays no role in the truth.
Nor does his late father, or Karin Jansen. That is what I found out, but we can agree to disagree. I investigated the US side of this story, and came to some shocking conclusions.
Sorry to sound stubborn. I would love to explain, maybe I can do a lecture on Aruba, with all mayor US media present.
This is all about trial by media, not by facts.
IMO It is the other way around, when the NH case will be solved, the Peru case will be much more clear. And the very important role of FBI as well.
6 hours ago

Ricardo E. Yarzagaray ‎@ Vivian: The point is that the reason why there is no hard evidence or smoking gun in the Holloway case is because the prosecution dropped the ball with the whole world watching! For me the important part is that what happened here NEVER happens again. I'm referring to the "imperfect investigation" of course. Whatever happens now to the main suspect is not so relevant for Aruba anymore. That's what we call "poetic justice" or "Karma". Now, the "hot potatoe" is in the hands of the minister of foreign affairs of The Netherlands who doubles as the representative of foreign affairs of the Kingdom. Let them handle it.
6 hours ago

Ricardo E. Yarzagaray ‎@ Renee: Maybe you should do the lecture in The Hague NOT in Aruba.
6 hours ago

Renée Gielen ‎@Vivian, that is what I mean. This is even not about 'no body no case', it is about investigating. Under US pressure, Aruba did not investigate the American side of this story in the early days and from there on. This was obstructed by FBI who were there from moment one. And I don't mean that as an insult to Aruba, because I am still convinced that Aruba did what Aruba could do. Beth Holloway, however, with all respect, stated from the moment that she arrived on Aruba, that she did not want any local police interference. She made that very clear on different occasions. Why?
6 hours ago

Vivian Wever ‎@ Ricardo: the reason that there is no evidence is not neceesarily related to the prosecution or the investigative team. In order to make any kind of conclusion we have to make assumptions and there is no guarantee that these assumptions are correct. There are plenty of other possibilities why no hard evidence was ever found. I have of course my thoughts on this matter just like everybody else has their opinion. However we look at it they are just assumptions
6 hours ago

Renée Gielen ‎@Ricardo: why the Hague. The Hague was under pressure in june 2005 and made it very clear that this was an internal Aruban affair. Didn't they?
You won't hear from them.
But I read in Amigoe yesterday about the TGO on Aruba, created after my friend and collegue Poentje was killed. Wished that existed in 2005, then the case would have been solved. But everything in life is a learning process, as is this.
6 hours ago

Ricardo E. Yarzagaray Anybody that contents that the investigation was not prioritized by The Hague from day 1 is simply making a fool out of themselves. Wheter or not there was US pressure are questions that should be answered by The Hague since the US pressure would most probably be directed against Aruba but THROUGH The Hague!
6 hours ago

Vivian Wever Within 24 hours of the case I had already concluded that it would be a difficult unsolveable case. Why? Because it is highly unusual ( I follow a lot of true crime cases) that all the witnesses or last persons to be with the person who disappeared left the island, and could not be interviewed. What makes it even weirder it that these kids had graduated from high school so they were going to college. Having studied in college in the US myself I know that kids leave as far from their home as their parents can afford to go to college. So they would be scatterd allover the US. With the very limited means of our country and without knowing who they are they could not be interviewed.
6 hours ago

Vivian Wever I will leave it here as Tito might be getting upset that we are cluttering his wall!
6 hours ago ·  1 person

Ricardo E. Yarzagaray Tito is loving every minute of this. LOL!
6 hours ago ·  2 people

Tito Lacle Viv. How could I not have u on my wall! Such a classy one.
5 hours ago ·  2 people

Ricardo E. Yarzagaray ‎@Renee: Why The Hague? Really? You mean other than the obvious? Ok, lemmie give one angle; when Natalee went missing the Aruban born Attorney General was in Holland because of legal problems of her son so the only one 'at the helm' of the prosecutor's office in Aruba was Karin Jansen who was the head prosecutor (and good friend of the Van der Sloots?) stationed in Aruba for a 3 or 5 years, remember? Now, you can try and convince yourself about chain of command etc. but everybady knows about the bad blood and in fighting in the prosecutor's office. So, when Natalee went missing Karin Jansen 'did the damage' or do you think that she followed instructions of her 'boss', the attorney general Croes Fernandes Pedra? She got her orders from The Hague directly! Everybody knows that (except you maybe?). Maybe you are also oblivios to the fact that when the attorney general came back to Aruba after a week or so all freggin' hell broke lose in there. Remember? However, it was already too late.
@ Vivian: Yes, not being able to interview those students and their chaperones didn't help either.....to put it mildly....
about an hour ago

A few more comments were added to that conversation... ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.facebook.com/titolacle?sk=wall

Myrna V Henriquez hmmm
January 6 at 3:55am


Alexander Henriquez because there never was such a mister flight. Just a conspiracy theory
January 6 at 3:05pm


Ricardo E. Yarzagaray check this out:
http://tinyurl.com/275j7bc
http://tinyurl.com/2etodcy
http://img89.imageshack.us/i/pc1psd1.jpg/
tinyurl.com
January 6 at 11:23pm


Ricardo E. Yarzagaray In that letter she corrects false statement of facts and asserts that she was not informed by Karin Jansen about the arrest of those 2 poor black security guards!!!
January 6 at 11:26pm


Ricardo E. Yarzagaray Superior Court
January, 2007

The possible involvement of Paulus with that could then be deducted from the file with the official reports of witnesses, amongst which two people suggested a contact existed between Paulus and Natalee Holloway the night of her disappearance, and a taped report (that was given by the Prosecutor in her final note 1 to the Court). The taped information and his declaration that he picked up Joran and Natalee by the McDonalds Palm Beach and brought them to the Holiday Inn, are clearly understood by the Dept. of Justice, and could in the judgement of this Superior Court, be considered as an indication of the involvement of Paulus in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.”

Superior Court - Diario - 02-14-2007
The whole case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway gets a different twist now that the information has come out from no less than the Superior Court, and in which mention is made of the declarations of witnesses and a phone tap that show or give an indication that Paul van der Sloot had on two occasions personal contact with Natalee during the night that she disappeared. Mention is made that, according to one or more official reports of the phone tap and also the declaration of Paul van der Sloot himself, that Paul fetched Joran and Natalee at McDonald and took them to the Holiday Inn. Based on this information, the judicial authorities and the police had at that time a justified basis to arrest Paul van der Sloot based on different suspicions. (Translation Credit: Diario)
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/2/14/
diario-aruba.com
www.diario-aruba.com
January 7 at 1:42am


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: klaasend on January 12, 2011, 10:26:55 AM
A 15 MINUTE SCHEDULED MAINTENANCE LAST NIGHT TURNED INTO 12 HOURS.  SORRY ABOUT THE DOWNTIME.  EVERYTHING SHOULD BE OK NOW.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: wreck on January 12, 2011, 10:34:56 AM
Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW

Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending

Future Hearings

03/11/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion for Summary Judgment ((c/f 1-6-11))

04/04/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Final Status Conference (T/D 4-11-2011)

04/11/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Jury Trial (J/T 25 DAY EST.)


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/2011Jan/DrPhilK2SummaryJudgement031111.jpg)
It appears to me the motion for "Summary Judgement" is still on -- just delayed until 3/11/11. The pre-trial and actual trial dates would then become moot.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: klaasend on January 12, 2011, 10:44:07 AM
Yes Wreck - exactly


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 12, 2011, 12:26:03 PM
 ::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 12, 2011, 12:37:32 PM
http://waterford.patch.com/articles/last-day-to-get-tickets-for-beth-holloway-besides-tomorrow


Last Day To Get Tickets For Beth Holloway, Besides Tomorrow
Waterford High School

Five Things To Know For Wednesday, Jan. 12, 2011


 The weather is obviously the big news of the day. Expect heavy snow throughout the entire day, and 18 mph winds, according to weather.com.

There are still tickets available at Youth Services for the Beth Holloway speech Thursday night. Admission is free, but you need a ticket to get into the event.  The speech starts at 7 p.m. in Waterford High School.

As you know, school has been canceled today. The exam schedule at Waterford High School will push back a day.

The best place to sled in Waterford? Waterford High School, or at least that’s what I hear.

A year ago today, an earthquake in Port-au-Prince, Haiti, killed 230,000 people. Many people are still displaced, and the rubble in most places remains.
Quote of the Day




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 12, 2011, 03:31:45 PM
If all goes according to plan ... ONE MORE SLEEP!!


 :smt060Janet


+++++


http://waterfordpolice.org/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=222&Itemid=1

Beth Holloway Presentation FREE EVENT   
12/5/2010

 
The Waterford Police Department is partnering with Waterford Youth Services and the Waterford School system to present guest speaker Beth Holloway.   The presentation, which will be held January 13th, 2011 at the Waterford High School, is free of charge.  Tickets can be obtained at the Waterford Youth Services building, located at 200 Boston Post Road.  Further details are listed below.
 
(http://waterfordpolice.org/cms/images/forms/holloway.jpg)
 



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: wreck on January 12, 2011, 06:30:36 PM
Yes Wreck - exactly
I just can't imagine a judge re-opening "Discovery" one month before a pre-trial hearing and/or an actual trial. Does anyone know how many judges have had this case since the very first filing by the Kalpoes??


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 12, 2011, 06:36:42 PM
Yes Wreck - exactly
I just can't imagine a judge re-opening "Discovery" one month before a pre-trial hearing and/or an actual trial. Does anyone know how many judges have had this case since the very first filing by the Kalpoes??

I have no idea how many judges, wreck.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

OT  Did you get snow?  (http://bestsmileys.com/cold/9.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 12, 2011, 06:54:57 PM
A few familiar faces....

Edgard Sune, Taylor Escobedo, Luis Betancourt, Larissa Bermudez Bolanos
 
http://www.24ora.com/gallery.html?func=detail&id=26744

(http://www.24ora.com/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/fakkel_optocht_2011_folder_3_259/fakkel_20110111_1296280330.jpg)

http://www.24ora.com/gallery.html?func=detail&id=26743#joomimg

(http://www.24ora.com/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/fakkel_optocht_2011_folder_3_259/fakkel_20110111_1563544871.jpg)




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Blonde on January 12, 2011, 06:55:41 PM
http://waterford.patch.com/articles/last-day-to-get-tickets-for-beth-holloway-besides-tomorrow


Last Day To Get Tickets For Beth Holloway, Besides Tomorrow
Waterford High School

Five Things To Know For Wednesday, Jan. 12, 2011


 The weather is obviously the big news of the day. Expect heavy snow throughout the entire day, and 18 mph winds, according to weather.com.

There are still tickets available at Youth Services for the Beth Holloway speech Thursday night. Admission is free, but you need a ticket to get into the event.  The speech starts at 7 p.m. in Waterford High School.

As you know, school has been canceled today. The exam schedule at Waterford High School will push back a day.

The best place to sled in Waterford? Waterford High School, or at least that’s what I hear.

A year ago today, an earthquake in Port-au-Prince, Haiti, killed 230,000 people. Many people are still displaced, and the rubble in most places remains.
Quote of the Day





Beth said she is I'm set to depart in the am. Hopefully the airports may have some clearing by noon
I will the school in the AM. She will update me
::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: wreck on January 12, 2011, 06:56:51 PM
Yes Wreck - exactly
I just can't imagine a judge re-opening "Discovery" one month before a pre-trial hearing and/or an actual trial. Does anyone know how many judges have had this case since the very first filing by the Kalpoes??

I have no idea how many judges, wreck.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

OT  Did you get snow?  (http://bestsmileys.com/cold/9.gif)
maybe an inch or so -- but, the roads were always clear. It hasn't been over 30 degrees since Saturday -- very rare for us!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 12, 2011, 07:11:19 PM
Beth
 
This Canadian wishes with all her heart that she could be in Waterford CT tomorrow evening.  I know beyond a doubt that your testimony will inspire others and change lives as you reveal "in person and in your own words" what and Who is the source of strength ... strength that has allowed you to not only endure the past 5 1/2 years but to triumph over adversity.  It is my hope that a transcript or video will emerge.
 
God Bless

  :smt060

Janet


Psalm 28:
The LORD is my strength and my shield; in him my heart trusts, and I am helped.


+++++
 
 
Beth Holloway - In Person and In Her Own Words

IMAGINE

When her daughter went missing in Aruba, her life changed forever.  How does one muster the courage to persevere in the face of sheer adversity?  Do we all have the capacity to overcome tragedy?  How does one keep going?  You will be uplifed by the remarkable story of Beth Holloway.  How does she stay strong.  Imagine being able to apply her philosophies of courage, dedication, faith and strength to your own life.

http://waterfordpolice.org/cms/images/forms/bethholloway2_1.pdf

________
 
 
Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway

I NEVER ASK HIM WHY

Pages 100:
He entrusted me with her care for eighteen years.  Now I must trust Him to care for her.  So I never ask Him why.  Why Natalee?  Why me?  I don't ask.  To do that undermines faith.  Instead, I form an "acceptance trust" with Him there on the windy hillside.
 
NOT THE WORK THAT HAS TO BE DONE.  JUST THE BURDEN
 
Page 103:
I think about what just happened, pondering the human spirit.  Apparently it can withstand a lot more than I every dreamed possible.  Mom is right; God is good.  All my life I've heard people of many faiths talk about "taking it to the cross and turning it over to the Lord" or just simply "turning it over.  Not the work that has to be done.  Just the burden.  I cast it upon Him so that I may be sustained.  And I am renewed, resilient.  Thankful for however long this resurgence in energy will carry me.  I will pick up one foot and put it down.  Then the other one will follow.  I will breathe.  There is much to be done.
 
TAKING LEAVE OF THE ISLAND.  NOT FROM THE WORK YET TO BE DONE

Page 189:
    It's the proverbial, Biblical conflict between good and evil.  It's very, very hard to fight evil because it constantly changes form and you never know who your enemies are.  And evil is always two steps ahead. From the outset we never had a chance.  But we didn't know it.  I'm taking leave of the island, but not from the work yet to be done.
 
MY PLEDGE

Page 200:
  My child.  My beautiful daughter.  I can't save her.  It's too late.  Natalee is gone. And second to the great tragedy of losing her is if we fail to learn from what has happened.  I could be any parent in the world.  And no parent should ever go through this experience.  Natalee could be anyone's daughter.  And in these thoughts a new path is made clear.  There is something I can do.  Many people reached out to us, and I can now reach back to them.  It might be too late to save Natalee, but it's not too late to save others.  And it's time now to make good on my pledge to stand before high-school and college students, law enforcement professinals, victims' rights groups, travelers of all ages, and anyone interested in personal safety to share Natalee's story and our hard lessons, so that others might learn from them.

A CONSCIOUS DECISION EVERY MORNING
 
Page 219:
I have to make difficult choices every day.  I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me.  It's not easy.  I ask God to help me.
 
FAITH WILL SEE ME THROUGH

Pages 230/231:
  I can't say for sure if we'll ever know that answer to whether my daughter is alive or not.  I know it doesn't look good.  But just as that old metal spiral staircase rose from the ashes when our lake house burned down, so too faith stands strong in the remains of this devastating loss.  And just as my Dad built another house around that staircase, I will build another life around hope and faith.  It won't ever be the same.  But I pray that it will, at the very least, be useful.  The hope that filled Natalee's heart fills mine, and I will press on.  Faith got me up this morning, and faith will see me through tomorrow.  And the next day.  And the next.
 
EVERY CHANCE WE GET

Page 232:
  Without hope we are hungry. And on a very deep level, desperate. But no one has to be. What's so amazing is that we can feed each other. We can help each other. We have the power to give resilience to others who are fading. We can nourish each other's spirits and save one another from defeat and despair. Every one of us possesses this power to "love thy neighbor," and we need to use it every chance we get.
______
 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: akmom on January 12, 2011, 07:14:00 PM
http://waterford.patch.com/articles/last-day-to-get-tickets-for-beth-holloway-besides-tomorrow


Last Day To Get Tickets For Beth Holloway, Besides Tomorrow
Waterford High School

Five Things To Know For Wednesday, Jan. 12, 2011


 The weather is obviously the big news of the day. Expect heavy snow throughout the entire day, and 18 mph winds, according to weather.com.

There are still tickets available at Youth Services for the Beth Holloway speech Thursday night. Admission is free, but you need a ticket to get into the event.  The speech starts at 7 p.m. in Waterford High School.

As you know, school has been canceled today. The exam schedule at Waterford High School will push back a day.

The best place to sled in Waterford? Waterford High School, or at least that’s what I hear.

A year ago today, an earthquake in Port-au-Prince, Haiti, killed 230,000 people. Many people are still displaced, and the rubble in most places remains.
Quote of the Day





Beth said she is I'm set to depart in the am. Hopefully the airports may have some clearing by noon
I will the school in the AM. She will update me
::MonkeyCool::

Please be careful if the roads are bad.  I send my best wishes and thoughts to all who will be there, and of course, to Beth.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 12, 2011, 07:28:57 PM
A Good Sign

According to the forecast ... Waterford, CT will be afforded a day free from snowfall tomorrow.  When the safety of Beth and those planning to attend her speaking engagement is considered ... this is good news.

It snowed about 6 inches in the Fraser Valley of British Columbia last night.  Thankfully ... warmer weather and rain is in the forecast.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 12, 2011, 07:42:36 PM
"TRAGEDY CREATES AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE"

2007
 
Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway

THE GOAL OF EDUCATION

Page 208-209:
  The goal of education is twofold: to bring a message about personal safety to high-school and college students and to educate travellers.  ... Bad things happen everywhere.  But the difference we need to consider when something bad happens outside the country is the help available for the victims and their families.  When we leave these borders, we leave behind all the privileges and rights we're all accustomed to and often take for granted.  We have expectations that there will be a safety net of law-abiding official, no matter where we travel, or that our US embassy will come to our rescue.  But that's terribly naive.


2010

MAKING A DIFFERENCE

Talking To Beth Holloway Five Years After Natalee's Disappearance
05/30/10 1:45 pm


She is now focused on her new life's work which was born out of the death of her daughter.

"Tragedy creates an opportunity to make a difference."

Making A Difference

Beth tells the story of Natalee's disappearance to high school and college students round the nation as part of her work with the Natalee Holloway Resource Center,which launches in D.C. on June 8

"The Natalee Holloway Resource Center is focusing on education and crime prevention, and in the event that a loved one goes missing we have the resources and the contacts to assist the families."

http://www.abc3340.com/news/stories/0510/741129.html


Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC

Mayday 360
http://www.mayday360.com/default.aspx


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: SuzieQ on January 12, 2011, 09:50:14 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNR2y2SMXH0

In From Holland a recap of the news for the year 2010


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 12, 2011, 10:06:09 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNR2y2SMXH0

In From Holland a recap of the news for the year 2010

Thanks SuzieQ.   ::MonkeyKiss::  It doesn't even need translating.   ::MonkeyCool:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2011, 01:12:10 AM
Evaluate request freedom of Joran Van der Sloot

Maximum Altez, Dutch attorney, said defense analyzes this possibility by excessive forcible detention. Van der Sloot still makes a statement instructive.

The attorney for Joran van der Sloot holadés, Maximum Altez, the defense argued that the alleged murderer of Stephany Flores evaluates request release excess forcible detention
"If the process is procrastination we are going to demand her release excess forcible detention (...) I do not see that progress has been made in research. Investigations are as is as they left the police station, "said the 24 hours news.

While the complexity of the case the period of preventive detention against van der Sloot is 18 months and only been nine months since his arrest, Altez Navarro explained that the process does not continue its normal course because his client has not paid testimony before the Fourth Criminal Court, because there is not a certified translator in your language in the judicial system.

However, Edward Alvarez, attorney for the family of the victim, said the Dutch remained silent throughout the process and only after the deadline to give its requested instruction to do so.

In this regard, claimed that his defense was not attributed to the lack of an interpreter the reason that this hearing has not been done yet.

Meanwhile, Altez said the change of judge in the court handling the case will cause a further delay in the process.

http://www.rpp.com.pe/2011-01-12-evaluan-solicitar-libertad-de-joran-van-der-sloot-noticia_326684.html?utm_source=ucayali&utm_medium=ucayalialdia


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2011, 03:30:58 AM
http://elcomercio.pe/lima/697884/noticia-abogado-pedira-liberacion-van-der-sloot-exceso-carceleria

Google translation:

Advocate asked Van der Sloot release excess forcible detention

Maximum Altez Counsel indicated that lack of a translator for the Dutch did not perform his preliminary hearing

Thursday January 13, 2011 - 1:53 a.m.

Freedom of Dutch Joran van der Sloot, the alleged murderer of the young Stephany Flores, was next asked to make his counsel because of an apparent excess of the alien faces forcible detention without any advanced research related to the macabre case that occurred in June last year .

Altez maximum indicated that the skills have remained at the point where police were wide and far, after eight months of the crime, the Dutch did not perform his statement before the Fourth Criminal Court.

The period of detention given to Van der Sloot is 18 months due to the complexity of the case that criticize him. However, Altez reported that his client is not within a process run its normal course as the Peruvian judicial system is not credited to a Dutch translator.

To this, the lawyer for the family of Stephanie Flores, Edward Alvarez said: "Throughout the process has remained silent and gives the coincidence that when instruction is the deadline for requests to testify. The lack of an interpreter is not the only cause for which that measure has not been carried out. "

Navarro Altez estimated that the process will expand further due to the change of judge in the court where the case is ventilated. For his part, Alvarez reported that it has requested an additional instructional period, because "now the Dutch want to declare to declare."


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2011, 04:14:59 AM
http://www.theday.com/article/20110113/NWS01/301139479/-1/NWS


Mother of teen who vanished in Aruba to speak
By Stephen Chupaska

Publication: The Day

Published 01/13/2011 12:00 AMUpdated 01/13/2011 02:02 AM

Appearance part of Waterford series

Waterford - Beth Holloway, the mother of Natalee Holloway, the 18-year-old woman from Alabama who went missing in Aruba in May 2005, is expected to impart a message of hope, faith and personal safety when she speaks today at Waterford High School.

Waterford Youth Services, which books one or two inspirational speakers a year to address young people and others in the region, is sponsoring the 7 p.m. talk.

"We usually have an athlete or something like that," Youth Services Director Dani Gorman said. "But we thought Beth Holloway would be something different."

Gorman said she saw Holloway speak at a gathering of law enforcement officials and thought she would be good to bring to Waterford.

"(Holloway) speaks frequently to police and to kids about her daughter's story and the lessons she learned," Gorman said. "She's a fighter."

The Natalee Holloway case, which became a staple of cable news programs in the summer of 2005, is unresolved.

On May 30, 2005, six days after she graduated from high school, Holloway did not return home after a vacation with friends and was reported missing.

She was reportedly last seen outside a restaurant in Oranjestad, the Aruban capital. The main suspect, Joran van der Sloot, a Dutch national, was arrested and then released during the investigation. Van der Sloot has since been charged with the murder of a female university student in Lima, Peru.

In response to her daughter's disappearance, Holloway founded International Safe Travels Foundation, which works to raise awareness about overseas travel and laws.

Kathy Drenga of Preston, a former member of Scared Monkeys, a group that helps to raise awareness of missing persons cases, said Holloway often talks to young people and parents about legal systems in foreign countries.

"Things are not handled in the same way as they are in the United States," Drenga said.


The talk, which is open to people around the region, is free, but those attending must have a ticket.

Call Waterford Youth Services at (860) 444-5848 for ticket information.

s.chupaska@theday.com



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2011, 04:32:23 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_kjjkik_1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE AND STEPHANY!
 ::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2011, 08:56:37 AM
Joran van der Sloot could be free from excess forcible detention

The attorney for Joran van der Sloot holadés, Maximum Altez, the defense argued that the alleged murderer of Stephany Flores evaluates requests to release excess forcible detention

"If the process is procrastination we are going to demand her release excess forcible detention (...) I do not see that progress has been made in research. Investigations are as is as they left the police station, "said the 24 hours news.

While the complexity of the case the period of preventive detention against van der Sloot is 18 months and only been nine months since his arrest, Altez Navarro explained that the process does not continue its normal course because his client has not paid testimony before the Fourth Criminal Court, because there is not a certified translator in your language in the judicial system.

However, Edward Alvarez, attorney for the family of the victim, said the Dutch remained silent throughout the process and only after the deadline to give its requested instruction to do so.

In this regard, claimed that his defense was not attributed to the lack of an interpreter the reason that this hearing has not been done yet.

Meanwhile, Altez said the change of judge in the court handling the case will cause a further delay in the process.

http://www.tvo-peru.com/2011/01/joran-van-der-sloot-podria-quedar-libre-por-exceso-de-carceleria/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2011, 08:58:24 AM
Advocate evaluates demand release of Joran van der Sloot

 Maximum Altez, a Dutch lawyer of Joran van der Sloot, held at the maximum security prison Miguel Castro Castro as the alleged murderer of Stephany Flores, said it would request the release of his client in excess of forcible detention.

  "If the process is procrastination we are going to demand her release excess forcible detention (...) I do not see that progress has been made in research and are as such as they left the police station, " said the 24 hours news.

 As a complex case, the period of detention for the Dutchman is 18 months and so far only been nine months since his arrest.

 Counsel also explained that the process does not continue its normal course because Van der Sloot has not surrendered his testimony before the Fourth Criminal Court, as there is no accredited translators in your language in the judicial system.

 However, the Flores family's lawyer, Edward Alvarez, said the Dutch remained silent throughout the process and only after the deadline to give its requested instruction to do so.

http://noticias.terra.com.pe/nacional/abogado-evalua-pedir-liberacion-de-joran-van-der-sloot,2ce2594f59e7d210VgnVCM10000098f154d0RCRD.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2011, 12:55:38 PM
http://www.theday.com/article/20110113/NWS01/301139479/-1/NWS


Mother of teen who vanished in Aruba to speak
By Stephen Chupaska

Publication: The Day

Published 01/13/2011 12:00 AMUpdated 01/13/2011 02:02 AM

Appearance part of Waterford series

Waterford - Beth Holloway, the mother of Natalee Holloway, the 18-year-old woman from Alabama who went missing in Aruba in May 2005, is expected to impart a message of hope, faith and personal safety when she speaks today at Waterford High School.

Waterford Youth Services, which books one or two inspirational speakers a year to address young people and others in the region, is sponsoring the 7 p.m. talk.

"We usually have an athlete or something like that," Youth Services Director Dani Gorman said. "But we thought Beth Holloway would be something different."

Gorman said she saw Holloway speak at a gathering of law enforcement officials and thought she would be good to bring to Waterford.

"(Holloway) speaks frequently to police and to kids about her daughter's story and the lessons she learned," Gorman said. "She's a fighter."

The Natalee Holloway case, which became a staple of cable news programs in the summer of 2005, is unresolved.

On May 30, 2005, six days after she graduated from high school, Holloway did not return home after a vacation with friends and was reported missing.

She was reportedly last seen outside a restaurant in Oranjestad, the Aruban capital. The main suspect, Joran van der Sloot, a Dutch national, was arrested and then released during the investigation. Van der Sloot has since been charged with the murder of a female university student in Lima, Peru.

In response to her daughter's disappearance, Holloway founded International Safe Travels Foundation, which works to raise awareness about overseas travel and laws.

Kathy Drenga of Preston, a former member of Scared Monkeys, a group that helps to raise awareness of missing persons cases, said Holloway often talks to young people and parents about legal systems in foreign countries.

"Things are not handled in the same way as they are in the United States," Drenga said.


The talk, which is open to people around the region, is free, but those attending must have a ticket.

Call Waterford Youth Services at (860) 444-5848 for ticket information.

s.chupaska@theday.com



 ::MonkeyShocked::

Where did Hotshot/Kathy come from???

Hotshot despicably bashed Kermit for exposing Kyle Kingman's own words ... words that exposed the Persistence betrayal of Natalee Holloway and her family ... the Persistence betrayal that furthered the Aruban cover up agenda that has prevented justice from prevailing since May 30, 2005.

Janet

+++++


Hotshot
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #781 12/3/08 -
« Reply #202 on: December 04, 2008, 03:07:37 AM »


... You guys are going to look really silly in the end for downing the people like silvetti, and Kyle, and CAPS.  There must be more to do with your time then pick on the ones who actually go out of their way to help.  I do not see anyone here going out there to actually help as these people did ..

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4186.msg565899#msg565899


Hotshot
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #777 11/21/08 thru
« Reply #258 on: November 22, 2008, 02:53:44 AM »


CAPS knows Silvetti from me  Silvetti did do the pond and then they wouldnt let him back in after all the maps were made of the pond.  About Jossy, i know nothing about that.  I was the one who told CAPS to go to the ship and wait for John.  And I do know who CAPS is. ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4159.240


Hotshot
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #791 1/6/09 -
« Reply #498 on: January 08, 2009, 09:15:29 AM »


Beth is a very good woman, don't get me wrong, but what is OK with her doesn't mean the rest of the family is OK with it.  The movie coming out is one of those things.  Dave soesn't want the lifetime movie.  He says enough is enough, "Thats my little girl".

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4351.msg617348;topicseen#msg617348


REMINDER

Absolutely Disturbed

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words
 
Kyle Kingman
:  If I didn't believe in what I witnessed and what I found, I wouldn't have shared it with anyone, especially on the net.  If I wasn't absolutely disturbed at how things turned out because of the project leads and corrupt officials I would NEVER have taken any action on my own.

Kermit

 
Six Screenshots

oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #739 3/3 -
« Reply #79 on: March 03, 2008, 05:47:47 PM  »


Video 2: Dec 30th - .... I sent these 6 screen shots to the FBI and the FBI only.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360047#msg360047



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 13, 2011, 01:03:11 PM
LoL Janet... I had to :roll: when I saw Kathy's name in that article.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2011, 01:09:42 PM
Advocate evaluates demand release of Joran van der Sloot

 Maximum Altez, a Dutch lawyer of Joran van der Sloot, held at the maximum security prison Miguel Castro Castro as the alleged murderer of Stephany Flores, said it would request the release of his client in excess of forcible detention.

  "If the process is procrastination we are going to demand her release excess forcible detention (...) I do not see that progress has been made in research and are as such as they left the police station, " said the 24 hours news.

 As a complex case, the period of detention for the Dutchman is 18 months and so far only been nine months since his arrest.

 Counsel also explained that the process does not continue its normal course because Van der Sloot has not surrendered his testimony before the Fourth Criminal Court, as there is no accredited translators in your language in the judicial system.

 However, the Flores family's lawyer, Edward Alvarez, said the Dutch remained silent throughout the process and only after the deadline to give its requested instruction to do so.

http://noticias.terra.com.pe/nacional/abogado-evalua-pedir-liberacion-de-joran-van-der-sloot,2ce2594f59e7d210VgnVCM10000098f154d0RCRD.html

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

What is the holdup?  It has now been four months since a fourth jury member was to cast a vote and ... nothing.

The silence out of Aruba has been deafening.  Are negotiations between the Netherlands/Aruba and Peru going on behind the scene?  I have that hinky feeling.

Janet

+++++

SEPTEMBER, 2010

Van der Sloot: I've 'misused' Holloway case 'for my own advantage'
By the CNN Wire Staff
September 7, 2010 9:11 a.m. EDT


Also Monday, a Peruvian court voted 2-1 to reject van der Sloot's contention that he is being held unlawfully, but the court requires three votes to secure a decision. Alteza said that a fourth jurist will hear the case and cast a vote at a public hearing next week. If that judge votes in favor of van der Sloot, a fifth judge will hear the case to break the tie.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/09/07/peru.vandersloot/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn


DECEMBER, 2010

Van der Sloot not Peru's most notorious prisoner
Last Update: 9:33 am


Meanwhile, down the road at Castro Castro, Joran van der Sloot is still awaiting word his appeal to have his murder confession thrown out of court. His lawyers charge both coercion and procedural improprieties to his confession he murdered 21 year old Stephany Flores after she found material about Natalee Holloway on his computer. Flores corpse was found in van der Sloot's Lima hotel room five years to the day of Natalee Holloway's disappearance on a high school trip to Aruba.

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Van-der-Sloot-not-Perus-most-notorious-prisoner/WbjNq4sK0U6QzOspmsOJhA.cspx


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2011, 01:14:38 PM
LoL Janet... I had to :roll: when I saw Kathy's name in that article.

Nut

I don't know what to think.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 13, 2011, 01:14:50 PM
Good question. He cannot be released. He is a danger to society. He will kill again (just like I said way back when, and he did).


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 13, 2011, 01:17:23 PM
LoL Janet... I had to :roll: when I saw Kathy's name in that article.

Prescott is north of Waterford....likely she'll be there tonight. 

There are a couple of comments to that article but I can't access them....hmmm.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 13, 2011, 01:24:00 PM
N2J Here are the comments

Cynic Posted - January 13, 2011 07:39 AM
 
As usual, The Day gets basic facts wrong. Natalee was not last seen "outside a restaurant"; she was last seen being driven away in a car by Joran van der Sloot and two of his acquaintances, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe.

More than five years later, Aruba (the economy of which is 80 percent dependent on US tourism) continues to lie, evade responsibility, and do anything it can to thwart an investigation. I work with Beth Holloway in a volunteer capacity, along with families of some other missing people in the Caribbean and elsewhere, and am disgusted at the supine US response. I hope that there is a good turnout for this talk.
 
(Report Abuse)
 
 

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Oh My Posted - January 13, 2011 06:55 AM
 
Beth, hope your still coming as far as the snow goes. Your strength through all of this is amazing, I must say I would not have handled things the way you have gracefully. See you tonight!
 
 
http://www.theday.com/article/20110113/NWS01/301139479/-1/NWS


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 13, 2011, 01:24:21 PM
LoL Janet... I had to :roll: when I saw Kathy's name in that article.

Prescott is north of Waterford....likely she'll be there tonight. 

There are a couple of comments to that article but I can't access them....hmmm.

Got them

CynicPosted - January 13, 2011 07:39 AM

As usual, The Day gets basic facts wrong. Natalee was not last seen "outside a restaurant"; she was last seen being driven away in a car by Joran van der Sloot and two of his acquaintances, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe.

More than five years later, Aruba (the economy of which is 80 percent dependent on US tourism) continues to lie, evade responsibility, and do anything it can to thwart an investigation. I work with Beth Holloway in a volunteer capacity, along with families of some other missing people in the Caribbean and elsewhere, and am disgusted at the supine US response. I hope that there is a good turnout for this talk.

(Report Abuse)

Oh MyPosted - January 13, 2011 06:55 AM

Beth, hope your still coming as far as the snow goes. Your strength through all of this is amazing, I must say I would not have handled things the way you have gracefully. See you tonight!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 13, 2011, 01:25:24 PM
 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Thanks, Nut!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 13, 2011, 01:27:44 PM
:)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Blonde on January 13, 2011, 01:43:31 PM
It's still on for tonight.
Got a email from Beth she was in flight..
I just wish we can all get along , this is for Natalee.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2011, 01:48:14 PM
Good question. He cannot be released. He is a danger to society. He will kill again (just like I said way back when, and he did).

Natalee's stepfather and uncle also saw the writting on the wall.

Janet

+++++++

Time Bomb

Nancy Grace - February 15, 2008


JUG TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S STEPFATHER:  ... I`ll tell you what really made me sick today to be honest with you is to see his U.S. attorney, Joe Tacopina, whoever, who has been kind of hiding for the last week because he didn`t know what was going to happen all of a sudden come on and he`s all over the TV now. And he is just saying, you know, with a smirk on his face, which just it makes me sick ... I told you so, nothing was going to happen. When he knows Joran is a time bomb just waiting to blow up.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/15/ng.01.html


For the Love of Joran

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #749 4/24 -
« Reply #367 on: April 27, 2008, 12:38:30 PM »


I am amazed that the people who love or care for Joran do not yet see that he needs the help that can only be provided by him going to the authorities and telling the entire truth. Being rejected by society, labled as a criminal, all are taking a horrible toll on Joran that is going to fuel his addictions and push him further and further into a self destructive lifestyle. I would think his mother would recognize Joran's needs, and see the benefit he would gain even from incarceration. Isn't an investment of five or so years worth a return of trhe rest of Joran's life? .... 

It is very telling that Beth's life is getting brighter every day, considering her loss, yet Joran the boy who "got away with it" is descending deeper and deeper into a self convicted sentence of life without parole unless he confesses. He will never, never be able to move on from this without repentance. Corny, yes, self serving, yes I want him to tell the truth, but is it the absolute truth, the absolute gospel, yes. Surprise, no, it is as the Bible teaches.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2804.msg377586#msg377586


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2011, 01:53:29 PM
It's still on for tonight.
Got a email from Beth she was in flight..
I just wish we can all get along , this is for Natalee.


Thanks Blonde.

The weatherman cooperated.

 :smt038

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 13, 2011, 02:00:58 PM
It's still on for tonight.
Got a email from Beth she was in flight..
I just wish we can all get along , this is for Natalee.


Good, Blonde.

Who's not getting along? 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: wreck on January 13, 2011, 04:01:33 PM
 ::MonkeyCool::  ...............at least it said FORMER member!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2011, 09:36:50 PM
Isn't this the same place Loco Steph is working at too? 

 ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.arubatoday.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogsection&id=15&Itemid=26

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/01122011_ArubaToday.jpg)

Amazonia Launches the Midnight Lounge   
Wednesday, 12 January 2011

PALM BEACH – Night owls who make Palm Beach their weekend destination will be pleased to see the terrace at Amazonia Churrascaria open until late, offering great music over cocktails and snacks.  The deck overlooking Palm Beach road will be set up as a stylish lounge every Friday and Saturday, inviting patrons to listen to live DJ mixing, or to dance the night away in the tropical ambiance. As a perfect complement to a chic evening, the Amazonia Churrascaria kitchen prepared a list of delectable hors d’oeuvres such as Chicken and Pineapple Pinchos, BBQ Wings with Garlic Sauce, Brazilian Chorizo with Fried Polenta, Amazonia BBQ Rib Sticks, Tenderloin and Yucca with Chimichurri Sauce, Mushrooms Stir Fried in Parsley and Garlic Oil, and Mejillones Sebastian, which are Mussels Braised with White Wine and Fish Stock, ready to delight party-goers to the wee hours.
The midnight Lounge at Amazonia Churrascaria is open and ready to receive Aruba’s beautiful people on their weekend adventures, with restaurant manager Michael Ras as the host!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2011, 09:38:47 PM
It's still on for tonight.
Got a email from Beth she was in flight..I just wish we can all get along , this is for Natalee.


Thanks Blonde.

The weatherman cooperated.

 :smt038

Janet



Tap Tap Tap

Any updates?  Patience is definitely not one of my virtures.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2011, 09:57:32 PM
Isn't this the same place Loco Steph is working at too? 

 ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.arubatoday.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogsection&id=15&Itemid=26

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/01122011_ArubaToday.jpg)

Amazonia Launches the Midnight Lounge   
Wednesday, 12 January 2011

PALM BEACH – Night owls who make Palm Beach their weekend destination will be pleased to see the terrace at Amazonia Churrascaria open until late, offering great music over cocktails and snacks.  The deck overlooking Palm Beach road will be set up as a stylish lounge every Friday and Saturday, inviting patrons to listen to live DJ mixing, or to dance the night away in the tropical ambiance. As a perfect complement to a chic evening, the Amazonia Churrascaria kitchen prepared a list of delectable hors d’oeuvres such as Chicken and Pineapple Pinchos, BBQ Wings with Garlic Sauce, Brazilian Chorizo with Fried Polenta, Amazonia BBQ Rib Sticks, Tenderloin and Yucca with Chimichurri Sauce, Mushrooms Stir Fried in Parsley and Garlic Oil, and Mejillones Sebastian, which are Mussels Braised with White Wine and Fish Stock, ready to delight party-goers to the wee hours.
The midnight Lounge at Amazonia Churrascaria is open and ready to receive Aruba’s beautiful people on their weekend adventures, with restaurant manager Michael Ras as the host!

Yep, thought so...Klaas posted this article a while back.

http://issuu.com/themorningnews/docs/december_15__2010

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/12152010_TheMorningNews1.jpg)(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/12152010_TheMorningNews2.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: klaasend on January 13, 2011, 10:32:38 PM
Looks like the same place to me.  One is the restaurant and the other is the Lounge.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2011, 10:38:36 PM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/26436-funvisis-ta-confirma-tabatin-temblor-14km-for-di-aruba.html

funvisis is confirma: had earthquake 14km for of aruba

thursday, 13 january 2011 09:18

aruba is the country more close of the earthquake cu owing to stay raporta awemainta, so funvisis (la fundación venezolana de investigaciones sismológicas) owing to informa. the earthquake did take luga for 7:08am at one profundidad of 7.8km below ; lama y cu one magnitude of 2.8 mw. the epicentro was situa at 12.58grado north (latitud) y 70.10 degree west (longtitud) cu is stay 14km noord-oost of aruba y 92km east of the island los monjes. come across


http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/26432-a-sinti-temblor-na-aruba.html

owing to feel earthquake at aruba

thursday, 13 january 2011 08:22 several call is raporta cu today diahuebs alrededor of 7:10am owing to feel one earthquake at several part of we island. via radio, oyentenan was calling tell cu owing to feel one movecion sismico at santa cruz, paradera y north (un parti). the same yamadanan is raporta cu owing to feel one sound also. even is recorda cu year happen, in the same dianan so algo similar owing to sosode. not owing to enter informacion oficial of instancianan competente relaciona cu the actividad sismico here. imagen saca via google.

http://bb.visitaruba.com/f2/auba-rattled-earthquake-venezuela-13571/

Aruba rattled by earthquake in Venezuela

This was posted on another board along with other posts regarding the quake

Aruba was shook by a 4.3 magnitude earthquake at 04:15 this morning. There are no reports so far of injuries and damage to structures. The tremor was felt all over the island. Citizens report windows shaken and roaring noise as if a heavy truck was passing by. The quake lasted for approximately 5 seconds. Some people have reported a second tremor. Some people reported a very strong wind gust just after quake.


The islands of Curacao and Bonaire also felt the tremor but not as strong as Aruba. There are reports that the surf around the island of Aruba was a little rough after the quake.

This tremor was felt on the island, because it was near Aruba at sea and because of the magnitude, which is considered moderate. It is believed that the earthquake felt in Aruba is a reaction to the strong earthquake that struck the south of Haiti yesterday evening.

Aruba is near the boarder of the Caribbean and South American plate. While the Caribbean plate and North American plate goes through the island of Hispanola.

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Wednesday, January 13th, 2010, 09:18 AM
   
aquaman 
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 Re: Auba rattled by earthquake in Venezuela
Here is an interesting link to where the Epicentre was.

http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/.../epicentro.jpg

(http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/2010/januari/jan13/epicentro.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 14, 2011, 12:36:02 AM
http://www.facebook.com/titolacle?sk=wall

Tito Lacle
So whats the deal with this 'escaped' lion? should we temporary stop the boa hunt, and start hunting for this beast?
Tuesday at 7:46am · Share
6 people like this.

Tisa LaSorte Will the lion kill the boas?
Tuesday at 7:48am ·  1 person

Melissah Croes Wait until someone's dead-then they will start mobilizing people !!!!!
Tuesday at 7:48am

Ingela Lacle Or maybe the boas will kill the lion?
Tuesday at 7:48am via Facebook Mobile ·  1 person

Jan Falcone yes, if you like hunting at night!
Tuesday at 7:51am

Garrick Lacle Si laga bo cachonan bai buscanan tambe!
Tuesday at 7:56am

Dilma Arends Geerman miauwwwww......
Tuesday at 7:57am ·  1 person

Margaret Wever I would love to know whose it is. And it is an idea...people walk from bus to home at night, kids paly outside...if true and so, many easy preys out there and hopefully he can be kept in one area and captured soon. This could end in a horrible tragedy and worse publicity than a shark attack.
Tuesday at 8:12am

Muzaninn Wever someone mentioned it escaped from the merryweather zoo when it was small; but I doubt a lion can escape and survive unnoticed for all this time. When they capture it, they should send it to Africa where it can run free in the wild. Aruba captivitiy is no habitat for lions!
Tuesday at 8:45am

Garrick Lacle Mande CMB pe cuida e kluis
Tuesday at 8:50am ·  1 person

Joward de Cuba Nan haye trece mi cas, mi ta buscando security pa mi cas!
Tuesday at 9:36am

Julia Renfro Shaking head back and forth saying no, no, no while thinking about Nasty Grace talking about how not only do we allow criminals to walk amongst the tourists, but also lions, tigers and bears. Oh My!
Tuesday at 10:29am ·  1 person

Myrna V Henriquez Bo kermeen ku tin un leon di berdad? Mi a kere ku tawata un promotion di CMB....omg...
Tuesday at 11:05am ·  1 person

Ilona Henriquez Here putty putty putty.....
Tuesday at 9:30pm


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 14, 2011, 12:46:20 AM
http://waterford.patch.com/articles/our-patch-winner-and-beth-holloway-tonight

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Despite the snow, Beth Holloway’s presentation tonight at 7 p.m. at Waterford High School is still on. Waterford Patch will be there and a story will be up Friday. So, something to look forward to tomorrow.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 14, 2011, 12:49:12 AM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_kjjkik_1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE AND STEPHANY!
 ::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: klaasend on January 14, 2011, 12:56:28 AM
http://waterford.patch.com/articles/our-patch-winner-and-beth-holloway-tonight

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Despite the snow, Beth Holloway’s presentation tonight at 7 p.m. at Waterford High School is still on. Waterford Patch will be there and a story will be up Friday. So, something to look forward to tomorrow.

Thanks TM!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: kkthy on January 14, 2011, 05:54:44 AM
It's still on for tonight.
Got a email from Beth she was in flight..I just wish we can all get along , this is for Natalee.


Thanks Blonde.

The weatherman cooperated.

 :smt038

Janet



Tap Tap Tap

Any updates?  Patience is definitely not one of my virtures.

Janet

The presentation last night was amazing.   My co-worker's niece was able to get us in the reserved seating area up front.  Also, anyone in that area was able to go to a reception that followed, so we were able to meet and talk with Beth Holloway! We shared with her who we were and talked about the experience of communicating with the authorities and the translation difficulties as well.  I can only imagine what she had to deal with back in 2005. :( Beth seemed to feel thankful that thoughts of Natalee came to mind immediately when the jawbone was found.  It just made her realize that her determination and the help of many others have kept Natalee's story alive and that Natalee is NOT going to be forgotten.  She is absolutely a pillar of strength.  Her presentations should be to a room full of high school students in EVERY town and in EVERY state because the message that she brings.  I am so thankful to have been there.  I also had the pleasure of meeting Blonde and talk with her.  My friends were able to share some information with her as well.  All in all it was a night that I will never forget. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 14, 2011, 08:50:53 AM
Thanks kkthy!   ::MonkeyCool::

I agree with you, I wish every HS student could hear Beth's message.

She's awesome!   ::MonkeyHeart::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 14, 2011, 08:55:30 AM
Beth Holloway: From Victim To Victor

A Tale Of Caution And Resiliency Presented To Waterford
By Paul Petrone | Email the author | 5:55am Add a comment (0 comments )

(http://o2.aolcdn.com/dims-shared/dims3/PATCH/resize/600x450/http://hss-prod.hss.aol.com/hss/storage/patch/b3b41be408416530463394efc4a9f7b8)
Beth Holloway poses with fan Angie Pelletieu.

Credit Paul Petrone Photos (1)  Credit Paul Petrone http://o2.aolcdn.com/dims-shared/dims3/PATCH/resize/273x203/http://hss-prod.hss.aol.com/hss/storage/patch/b3b41be408416530463394efc4a9f7b8

On May 25, 2005, one day after graduating from high school, 18-year-old Natalee Holloway was headed out the door for her senior trip. Her mother asked her if she had her sunscreen, passport and so on.

“At first, ‘yes, ma’am,’ then finally, ‘yes, Mom!” said Beth Holloway, recalling the words of her daughter, who had grown tired of the questioning.

So Beth backed off and watched her daughter get into a car headed to the airport. Natalee was off to Aruba with her classmates on a four-day excursion before getting ready to head to the University of Alabama on a full scholarship.

It would be the last time Beth Holloway would ever see her daughter.           

“After all I went through, I have every right to get in a hole and never get out,” Holloway said. “But I have chosen not to do that. We have choices on how to live our lives.”

On Thursday night in front of hundreds of people in the Waterford High School auditorium, Holloway told her story of pain and suffering, and her frustration at the Aruba police departments. More than five years after Natalee disappeared, the case remains unsolved.

On May 30, the last day of the senior trip, Natalee Holloway went to Carlos’n Charlie’s, a popular nightclub. There, Holloway met 17-year-old Joran van der Sloot, who reportedly bought her alcoholic drinks, including a shot of Bacardi 151, which has nearly twice the alcohol level of a normal shot.

Then, things become blurry. Holloway went into Van der Sloot’s car and then they engaged in sexual activities. It is not known if the sex was consensual. Everything after that is completely unknown, except one thing: Nobody has seen Natalee Holloway since.

Police Response

Once Beth Holloway received word later that day that her daughter had not arrived at the airport, panic struck.

“In that moment I got the call that all parents dread the minute our child is born,” Holloway said. “From that day, my life was changed forever.”

Holloway immediately flew to Aruba to search for her daughter. She contacted Aruban police, although soon realized they would be little help.

The police said to wait, that she would be returned home when the crack addicts who likely abducted her ran through her money, Holloway said. Police told her it was common for crack addicts to kidnap tourists, get them high on crack, steal their money and credit cards and then drop them back off at Carlos’n Charlie’s, Holloway said.

Refusing to just sit and wait, Holloway went on the offensive. She went to dozens upon dozens of crack houses looking for her daughter, only to find nothing.

Holloway soon heard of Van der Sloot, the last person to see Natalee Holloway alive. She confronted him, eager for details.

Van der Sloot said he had sex with Natalee Holloway, and then dropped her off at her hotel. Hotel security footage never showed Natalee Holloway return that night, Beth Holloway said.

Van der Sloot was eventually taken into custody by Aruban police, where he gave 22 different versions of what happened that night, Holloway said. Still, no search warrant was ever granted to search his home, and he was never formally charged with any crime.

Throughout this initial phase, Holloway did not shower, barely slept and hardly ate. After the original four days of constant searching for her daughter, and getting nowhere with police, Holloway began to break down mentally and physically.

“After being numb for so many days there was pain now, torturous pain,” she said. "I knew I had to find a place to pray.”

She tracked down a cab, which took her to a chapel. There, Holloway kneeled and begged for answers.

“I know in that moment, Natalee was with God,” Holloway said. “And I (was) in peace.”

Holloway would continue the search, and continues to this day. Nobody has ever been charged with any crime related to the disappearance, and Natalee’s body was never found.

Van der Sloot was charged with first-degree murder in Peru for allegedly killing Stephany Flores Ramírez on May 30, 2010, exactly five years after Natalee Holloway's disappearance.

Beth Holloway’s Mission

On Thursday, Beth Holloway did not speak to Waterford residents just to rehash the mystery surrounding her daughter’s disappearance. She also pushed for people to take care of themselves and have a plan of action when going anywhere, especially out of the country.

“Our children must know their personal safety is up to them,” Holloway said. “(Teenagers are) too old to be guarded by us, but too young not to be reminded that there are dangerous people and dangerous places.”

Holloway pushed her “360 full safety plan,” where teenagers should not just plan where they are going, but how they are getting home. She also started the Natalee Holloway Research Center at the National Museum of Crime & Punishment to aid families of missing persons and Mayday 360, a service that gives legal, political and police resources to Americans overseas.

The inspiration to keep working, and to keep telling her story is fueled by her daughter, Holloway said. If she can just make one person safer, make just one person more aware of problems that can happen, it is all worth it, Holloway said.

“Natalee had real hope,” she said. “The hope that filled her life, now fills mine.”

Waterford’s Role

The presentation was sponsored by the Waterford Justice League, a combination of Waterford Youth Services, Clark Lane Middle School and the Waterford Police Department to inform children about the dangers of drugs and weapons and to make police more accessible to the community. Overall, 19 middle school students entered the program, all on hand for Holloway’s presentation.

“I just thought it was amazing how somebody could talk about something like that,” said middle school student Alaina Milukas, a member of the league.

“It was very inspiring,” added her brother Matthew Milukas, also part of the league. “The will power to overcome something like that and turn it into a positive is really amazing.”

Clark Lane Principal Michael Lovetere, a father of two, was particularly touched by the presentation.

“My youngest daughter was the same age as Natalee, and I remember that whole summer (my wife and I) were glued to the television set,” Lovetere said. “We could really relate to it.”

Lovetere’s daughter was set to travel abroad to Italy for college, and from there she would often go to other European countries, he said. With the case going on, sleep was not easy to come by, he said.

“It just lets you know that it can happen to any of us,” he said. “It just makes you worried.”

If something did happen, the courage to get up and speak about it would be hard to come by, he said. If something happened to one of his daughters, it would probably be too much to handle, Lovetere said.

“I don’t know how you go on,” he said. “I have kids and I just don’t know how you can go on.”

What did you take from Beth Holloway's presentation? Tell us in the comments.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 14, 2011, 08:59:16 AM

http://waterford.patch.com/articles/from-victim-to-victor-a-tale-of-caution-and-resiliency

Beth Holloway: From Victim To Victor

A Tale Of Caution And Resiliency Presented To Waterford
By Paul Petrone | Email the author | 5:55am Add a comment (0 comments )

(http://o2.aolcdn.com/dims-shared/dims3/PATCH/resize/600x450/http://hss-prod.hss.aol.com/hss/storage/patch/b3b41be408416530463394efc4a9f7b8)
Beth Holloway poses with fan Angie Pelletieu.

Credit Paul Petrone Photos (1)  Credit Paul Petrone http://o2.aolcdn.com/dims-shared/dims3/PATCH/resize/273x203/http://hss-prod.hss.aol.com/hss/storage/patch/b3b41be408416530463394efc4a9f7b8

On May 25, 2005, one day after graduating from high school, 18-year-old Natalee Holloway was headed out the door for her senior trip. Her mother asked her if she had her sunscreen, passport and so on.

“At first, ‘yes, ma’am,’ then finally, ‘yes, Mom!” said Beth Holloway, recalling the words of her daughter, who had grown tired of the questioning.

So Beth backed off and watched her daughter get into a car headed to the airport. Natalee was off to Aruba with her classmates on a four-day excursion before getting ready to head to the University of Alabama on a full scholarship.

It would be the last time Beth Holloway would ever see her daughter.           

“After all I went through, I have every right to get in a hole and never get out,” Holloway said. “But I have chosen not to do that. We have choices on how to live our lives.”

On Thursday night in front of hundreds of people in the Waterford High School auditorium, Holloway told her story of pain and suffering, and her frustration at the Aruba police departments. More than five years after Natalee disappeared, the case remains unsolved.

On May 30, the last day of the senior trip, Natalee Holloway went to Carlos’n Charlie’s, a popular nightclub. There, Holloway met 17-year-old Joran van der Sloot, who reportedly bought her alcoholic drinks, including a shot of Bacardi 151, which has nearly twice the alcohol level of a normal shot.

Then, things become blurry. Holloway went into Van der Sloot’s car and then they engaged in sexual activities. It is not known if the sex was consensual. Everything after that is completely unknown, except one thing: Nobody has seen Natalee Holloway since.

Police Response

Once Beth Holloway received word later that day that her daughter had not arrived at the airport, panic struck.

“In that moment I got the call that all parents dread the minute our child is born,” Holloway said. “From that day, my life was changed forever.”

Holloway immediately flew to Aruba to search for her daughter. She contacted Aruban police, although soon realized they would be little help.

The police said to wait, that she would be returned home when the crack addicts who likely abducted her ran through her money, Holloway said. Police told her it was common for crack addicts to kidnap tourists, get them high on crack, steal their money and credit cards and then drop them back off at Carlos’n Charlie’s, Holloway said.

Refusing to just sit and wait, Holloway went on the offensive. She went to dozens upon dozens of crack houses looking for her daughter, only to find nothing.

Holloway soon heard of Van der Sloot, the last person to see Natalee Holloway alive. She confronted him, eager for details.

Van der Sloot said he had sex with Natalee Holloway, and then dropped her off at her hotel. Hotel security footage never showed Natalee Holloway return that night, Beth Holloway said.

Van der Sloot was eventually taken into custody by Aruban police, where he gave 22 different versions of what happened that night, Holloway said. Still, no search warrant was ever granted to search his home, and he was never formally charged with any crime.

Throughout this initial phase, Holloway did not shower, barely slept and hardly ate. After the original four days of constant searching for her daughter, and getting nowhere with police, Holloway began to break down mentally and physically.

“After being numb for so many days there was pain now, torturous pain,” she said. "I knew I had to find a place to pray.”

She tracked down a cab, which took her to a chapel. There, Holloway kneeled and begged for answers.

“I know in that moment, Natalee was with God,” Holloway said. “And I (was) in peace.”

Holloway would continue the search, and continues to this day. Nobody has ever been charged with any crime related to the disappearance, and Natalee’s body was never found.

Van der Sloot was charged with first-degree murder in Peru for allegedly killing Stephany Flores Ramírez on May 30, 2010, exactly five years after Natalee Holloway's disappearance.

Beth Holloway’s Mission

On Thursday, Beth Holloway did not speak to Waterford residents just to rehash the mystery surrounding her daughter’s disappearance. She also pushed for people to take care of themselves and have a plan of action when going anywhere, especially out of the country.

“Our children must know their personal safety is up to them,” Holloway said. “(Teenagers are) too old to be guarded by us, but too young not to be reminded that there are dangerous people and dangerous places.”

Holloway pushed her “360 full safety plan,” where teenagers should not just plan where they are going, but how they are getting home. She also started the Natalee Holloway Research Center at the National Museum of Crime & Punishment to aid families of missing persons and Mayday 360, a service that gives legal, political and police resources to Americans overseas.

The inspiration to keep working, and to keep telling her story is fueled by her daughter, Holloway said. If she can just make one person safer, make just one person more aware of problems that can happen, it is all worth it, Holloway said.

“Natalee had real hope,” she said. “The hope that filled her life, now fills mine.”

Waterford’s Role

The presentation was sponsored by the Waterford Justice League, a combination of Waterford Youth Services, Clark Lane Middle School and the Waterford Police Department to inform children about the dangers of drugs and weapons and to make police more accessible to the community. Overall, 19 middle school students entered the program, all on hand for Holloway’s presentation.

“I just thought it was amazing how somebody could talk about something like that,” said middle school student Alaina Milukas, a member of the league.

“It was very inspiring,” added her brother Matthew Milukas, also part of the league. “The will power to overcome something like that and turn it into a positive is really amazing.”

Clark Lane Principal Michael Lovetere, a father of two, was particularly touched by the presentation.

“My youngest daughter was the same age as Natalee, and I remember that whole summer (my wife and I) were glued to the television set,” Lovetere said. “We could really relate to it.”

Lovetere’s daughter was set to travel abroad to Italy for college, and from there she would often go to other European countries, he said. With the case going on, sleep was not easy to come by, he said.

“It just lets you know that it can happen to any of us,” he said. “It just makes you worried.”

If something did happen, the courage to get up and speak about it would be hard to come by, he said. If something happened to one of his daughters, it would probably be too much to handle, Lovetere said.

“I don’t know how you go on,” he said. “I have kids and I just don’t know how you can go on.”

What did you take from Beth Holloway's presentation? Tell us in the comments.


edit to add link!   :oops:


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Blonde on January 14, 2011, 09:25:56 AM
I had a wonderful time Beth told me where she was having dinner,it was in a private room with 10 police escorts. I text her I  was there.
Beth ran it where we were sitting grab me & hugged me for ever,she is stunning. a inspiration to all .

When the reporter wanted to interview her she told them talk with Blonde she know as much and sometimes more then I ABOUT THIS CASE...


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 14, 2011, 11:13:47 AM

http://waterford.patch.com/articles/from-victim-to-victor-a-tale-of-caution-and-resiliency

Beth Holloway: From Victim To Victor

A Tale Of Caution And Resiliency Presented To Waterford
By Paul Petrone | Email the author | 5:55am Add a comment (0 comments )

(http://o2.aolcdn.com/dims-shared/dims3/PATCH/resize/600x450/http://hss-prod.hss.aol.com/hss/storage/patch/b3b41be408416530463394efc4a9f7b8)
Beth Holloway poses with fan Angie Pelletieu.

Credit Paul Petrone Photos (1)  Credit Paul Petrone http://o2.aolcdn.com/dims-shared/dims3/PATCH/resize/273x203/http://hss-prod.hss.aol.com/hss/storage/patch/b3b41be408416530463394efc4a9f7b8

On May 25, 2005, one day after graduating from high school, 18-year-old Natalee Holloway was headed out the door for her senior trip. Her mother asked her if she had her sunscreen, passport and so on.

“At first, ‘yes, ma’am,’ then finally, ‘yes, Mom!” said Beth Holloway, recalling the words of her daughter, who had grown tired of the questioning.

So Beth backed off and watched her daughter get into a car headed to the airport. Natalee was off to Aruba with her classmates on a four-day excursion before getting ready to head to the University of Alabama on a full scholarship.

It would be the last time Beth Holloway would ever see her daughter.           

“After all I went through, I have every right to get in a hole and never get out,” Holloway said. “But I have chosen not to do that. We have choices on how to live our lives.”

On Thursday night in front of hundreds of people in the Waterford High School auditorium, Holloway told her story of pain and suffering, and her frustration at the Aruba police departments. More than five years after Natalee disappeared, the case remains unsolved.

On May 30, the last day of the senior trip, Natalee Holloway went to Carlos’n Charlie’s, a popular nightclub. There, Holloway met 17-year-old Joran van der Sloot, who reportedly bought her alcoholic drinks, including a shot of Bacardi 151, which has nearly twice the alcohol level of a normal shot.

Then, things become blurry. Holloway went into Van der Sloot’s car and then they engaged in sexual activities. It is not known if the sex was consensual. Everything after that is completely unknown, except one thing: Nobody has seen Natalee Holloway since.

Police Response

Once Beth Holloway received word later that day that her daughter had not arrived at the airport, panic struck.

“In that moment I got the call that all parents dread the minute our child is born,” Holloway said. “From that day, my life was changed forever.”

Holloway immediately flew to Aruba to search for her daughter. She contacted Aruban police, although soon realized they would be little help.

The police said to wait, that she would be returned home when the crack addicts who likely abducted her ran through her money, Holloway said. Police told her it was common for crack addicts to kidnap tourists, get them high on crack, steal their money and credit cards and then drop them back off at Carlos’n Charlie’s, Holloway said.

Refusing to just sit and wait, Holloway went on the offensive. She went to dozens upon dozens of crack houses looking for her daughter, only to find nothing.

Holloway soon heard of Van der Sloot, the last person to see Natalee Holloway alive. She confronted him, eager for details.

Van der Sloot said he had sex with Natalee Holloway, and then dropped her off at her hotel. Hotel security footage never showed Natalee Holloway return that night, Beth Holloway said.

Van der Sloot was eventually taken into custody by Aruban police, where he gave 22 different versions of what happened that night, Holloway said. Still, no search warrant was ever granted to search his home, and he was never formally charged with any crime.

Throughout this initial phase, Holloway did not shower, barely slept and hardly ate. After the original four days of constant searching for her daughter, and getting nowhere with police, Holloway began to break down mentally and physically.

“After being numb for so many days there was pain now, torturous pain,” she said. "I knew I had to find a place to pray.”

She tracked down a cab, which took her to a chapel. There, Holloway kneeled and begged for answers.

“I know in that moment, Natalee was with God,” Holloway said. “And I (was) in peace.”

Holloway would continue the search, and continues to this day. Nobody has ever been charged with any crime related to the disappearance, and Natalee’s body was never found.

Van der Sloot was charged with first-degree murder in Peru for allegedly killing Stephany Flores Ramírez on May 30, 2010, exactly five years after Natalee Holloway's disappearance.

Beth Holloway’s Mission

On Thursday, Beth Holloway did not speak to Waterford residents just to rehash the mystery surrounding her daughter’s disappearance. She also pushed for people to take care of themselves and have a plan of action when going anywhere, especially out of the country.

“Our children must know their personal safety is up to them,” Holloway said. “(Teenagers are) too old to be guarded by us, but too young not to be reminded that there are dangerous people and dangerous places.”

Holloway pushed her “360 full safety plan,” where teenagers should not just plan where they are going, but how they are getting home. She also started the Natalee Holloway Research Center at the National Museum of Crime & Punishment to aid families of missing persons and Mayday 360, a service that gives legal, political and police resources to Americans overseas.

The inspiration to keep working, and to keep telling her story is fueled by her daughter, Holloway said. If she can just make one person safer, make just one person more aware of problems that can happen, it is all worth it, Holloway said.

“Natalee had real hope,” she said. “The hope that filled her life, now fills mine.”

Waterford’s Role

The presentation was sponsored by the Waterford Justice League, a combination of Waterford Youth Services, Clark Lane Middle School and the Waterford Police Department to inform children about the dangers of drugs and weapons and to make police more accessible to the community. Overall, 19 middle school students entered the program, all on hand for Holloway’s presentation.

“I just thought it was amazing how somebody could talk about something like that,” said middle school student Alaina Milukas, a member of the league.

“It was very inspiring,” added her brother Matthew Milukas, also part of the league. “The will power to overcome something like that and turn it into a positive is really amazing.”

Clark Lane Principal Michael Lovetere, a father of two, was particularly touched by the presentation.

“My youngest daughter was the same age as Natalee, and I remember that whole summer (my wife and I) were glued to the television set,” Lovetere said. “We could really relate to it.”

Lovetere’s daughter was set to travel abroad to Italy for college, and from there she would often go to other European countries, he said. With the case going on, sleep was not easy to come by, he said.

“It just lets you know that it can happen to any of us,” he said. “It just makes you worried.”

If something did happen, the courage to get up and speak about it would be hard to come by, he said. If something happened to one of his daughters, it would probably be too much to handle, Lovetere said.

“I don’t know how you go on,” he said. “I have kids and I just don’t know how you can go on.”

What did you take from Beth Holloway's presentation? Tell us in the comments.


edit to add link!   :oops:

It's nice to know that SM members were there to witness Beth's presentation last night & I'm sure it meant a great deal to her.  Is this article a fair assessment of the presentation, or is there anything else that may have been added that would have meaning for those of us who could not be there?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 14, 2011, 11:18:55 AM
Awesome....simply awesome. I am jealous, lol.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 14, 2011, 12:10:46 PM
It's still on for tonight.
Got a email from Beth she was in flight..
I just wish we can all get along , this is for Natalee.


Thanks Blonde.

The weatherman cooperated.

 :smt038

Janet



Tap Tap Tap

Any updates?  Patience is definitely not one of my virtures.

Janet

The presentation last night was amazing.   My co-worker's niece was able to get us in the reserved seating area up front.  Also, anyone in that area was able to go to a reception that followed, so we were able to meet and talk with Beth Holloway! We shared with her who we were and talked about the experience of communicating with the authorities and the translation difficulties as well.  I can only imagine what she had to deal with back in 2005. :( Beth seemed to feel thankful that thoughts of Natalee came to mind immediately when the jawbone was found.  It just made her realize that her determination and the help of many others have kept Natalee's story alive and that Natalee is NOT going to be forgotten.  She is absolutely a pillar of strength.  Her presentations should be to a room full of high school students in EVERY town and in EVERY state because the message that she brings.  I am so thankful to have been there.  I also had the pleasure of meeting Blonde and talk with her.  My friends were able to share some information with her as well.  All in all it was a night that I will never forget. 

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Thanks you for sharing with the forum kkthy.

Janet


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Post by: Tamikosmom on January 14, 2011, 12:14:42 PM
I had a wonderful time Beth told me where she was having dinner,it was in a private room with 10 police escorts. I text her I  was there.
Beth ran it where we were sitting grab me & hugged me for ever,she is stunning. a inspiration to all .

When the reporter wanted to interview her she told them talk with Blonde she know as much and sometimes more then I ABOUT THIS CASE...


WOW!!!

Blonde ... your words imply that you had an evening of a lifetime.  You deserved it.

 ::MonkeyKiss::

Janet




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Post by: Tamikosmom on January 14, 2011, 12:43:12 PM
Beth Holloway: From Victim To Victor
A Tale Of Caution And Resiliency Presented To Waterford
 5:55am January 14, 2011

Quote Exerpts:


A Life Forever Change

Once Beth Holloway received word later that day that her daughter had not arrived at the airport, panic struck.  “In that moment I got the call that all parents dread the minute our child is born,” Holloway said. “From that day, my life was changed forever.”

And I was in Peace

“After being numb for so many days there was pain now, torturous pain,” she said. "I knew I had to find a place to pray.”  She tracked down a cab, which took her to a chapel. There, Holloway kneeled and begged for answers.  “I know in that moment, Natalee was with God,” Holloway said. “And I (was) in peace.”

Dangerous People and Dangerous Places

“Our children must know their personal safety is up to them,” Holloway said. “(Teenagers are) too old to be guarded by us, but too young not to be reminded that there are dangerous people and dangerous places.”

Hope

“Natalee had real hope,” she said. “The hope that filled her life, now fills mine.”

http://waterford.patch.com/articles/from-victim-to-victor-a-tale-of-caution-and-resiliency

+++++++

LOVING NATALEE
A MOTHER'S TESTAMENT OF HOPE AND FAITH

By Beth Holloway

Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC

Mayday 360
http://www.mayday360.com/default.aspx


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Post by: Tamikosmom on January 14, 2011, 01:17:39 PM
Missing teen's mother offers cautionary tale to parents
Published 01/14/2011 12:00 AM
Updated 01/14/2011 04:01 AM

Natalee Holloway disappeared in Aruba in 2005


Waterford - For four days Beth Holloway searched for her 18-year-old daughter Natalee through some of the seediest parts of tropical, touristy Aruba. The search took the Alabama woman inside brothels and into more than one crack house.

She had heard that sometimes tourists are drugged and taken to such places.

Then, on her fourth day, Holloway felt she needed to do something else, she told a rapt audience Thursday night at Waterford High School: She needed to pray.

Holloway found a chapel on the island and prayed before white crosses set outside. She felt a peace and stillness.

"I knew that Natalee was with God," Holloway told the group in the school's auditorium. "I put one foot in front of the other, and I knew there was much work that needed to be done."

Part of the work that Holloway has been doing since her daughter was reported missing in May 2005 includes crisscrossing the country, telling her story and admonishing parents and teenagers about the dangers that can occur while traveling abroad.

"It's too late for Natalee, it's too late for me," Holloway said. "But it's not too late for you."

Holloway, who spoke before a two-thirds full auditorium, used a Power Point presentation that included photographs of her daughter, and a collection of clips of her appearances on television news shows in the days and weeks after Natalee's disappearance. Waterford Youth Services sponsored the talk, for which Holloway was paid $5,000.

Holloway said she made every effort keep her daughter's story at the forefront of the media. Cable news shows at the time devoted hours of coverage to the story, which became something of a public detective story and one that struck a nerve with many people, especially parents.

"I followed it closely," Jody Nazarchyk, a member of the Waterford Board of Education, said. "I have daughter that was around that age."

The majority of Holloway's 40-minute talk focused on her version of the still-unsolved case. Speaking softly, she was understated, delivering her talk in a measured, deliberate cadence.

Natalee Holloway, who grew up in Birmingham, Ala., traveled to the island nation in the Caribbean with friends after graduating from high school.

Holloway blames her daughter's disappearance on the man who became the main suspect in the case: Joran van der Sloot, a Dutch national who was the last person seen with Natalee. Witnesses saw the young woman getting into a car outside a restaurant in Oranjestad, the Aruban capital.

Van der Sloot was arrested and subsequently released by the island authorities.

"He confessed on tape to an undercover informant that he was with Natalee when she had a seizure and might have died," Holloway said. "So he just decided to get rid of her body."

According to Holloway, van der Sloot said Natalee's body was dumped into the sea. She told the audience she believes that her daughter was given a date rape drug the night she went missing.

In June 2010, van der Sloot was charged with the murder of a woman in Lima, Peru.

In addition to writing a book about her experience, Holloway formed Mayday 360, an organization that offers travel advice to parents and young people going abroad. She also founded International Safe Travels Foundation, which works to raise awareness about overseas travel and laws.

Holloway said travelers should take time to locate the local police precincts and to remember to make sure mobile phones are able to make international calls.

She cautioned the several teenagers in the audience to be mindful of what they're drinking when they are out.

After the woman's talk, Julia Zepperi, 18, called Holloway's speech "emotional" and "unnerving," especially because Natalee Holloway was doing something as commonplace as traveling.

"It's something so normal," Zepperi said.

Nazarchyk, the school board member, said she was impressed with Holloway's honesty and willingness to talk about Natalee's disappearance.

"I think her daughter would have been proud of her," Nazarchyk said.

http://www.theday.com/article/20110114/NWS01/301149844/1044


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Post by: klaasend on January 14, 2011, 01:22:46 PM
Blonde and kkthy - I'm so envious of both of you!  So glad that you were able to watch and visit with Beth.


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Post by: Tamikosmom on January 14, 2011, 01:33:48 PM
Missing teen's mother offers cautionary tale to parents
Published 01/14/2011 12:00 AM
Updated 01/14/2011 04:01 AM


Quote Exerpts

"I knew that Natalee was with God," Holloway told the group in the school's auditorium.


"I put one foot in front of the other, and I knew there was much work that needed to be done."


"It's too late for Natalee, it's too late for me," Holloway said. "But it's not too late for you."

http://www.theday.com/article/20110114/NWS01/301149844/1044


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Post by: texasmom on January 14, 2011, 03:11:47 PM
http://www.rnw.nl/english/bulletin/interrogate-joran-or-release-him-lawyer-says

Interrogate Joran or release him, lawyer says

Published on 14 January 2011 - 12:56pm

Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, who is in a Peruvian jail on murder charges, should be set free until he is put on trial. Mr Van der Sloot's lawyer, Máximo Altez, told Radio Netherlands Worldwide that there have been too many errors in the run-up to the trial.

Joran van der Sloot has been on remand for nine months on suspicion of killing a Peruvian woman, Stephany Flores, who he had met in Lima in May 2010. He has not yet been heard by a judge, however, allegedly because there is no interpreter. Mr Altez said he is not confident that his client will be questioned within the statutory period of custody, which is limited to 18 months.

The lawyer is blaming Peru's legal authorities for not providing a Dutch-Spanish interpreter, saying it is not up to him to arrange one. The Dutch embassy told Mr Altez that they are not entitled to assign an interpreter to the case either.

Natalee Holloway
Ricardo Flores, the father of the murdered woman, rejected the lawyer's demands. "The murderer has not said anything up to now, so why does he think he can demand his release?"

Joran van der Sloot is also the main suspect in the Natalee Holloway disappearance case. The American teenager vanished without trace from the Caribbean island of Aruba in 2005, but Van der Sloot was never charged because of a lack of credible evidence.
(rk/hs)

© Radio Netherlands Worldwide

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Post by: texasmom on January 14, 2011, 03:22:31 PM
http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Lawyer-says-van-der-Sloot-should-be-free-pending/50g1wcqxtESZz4uRG1iP8A.cspx

Lawyer says van der Sloot should be free pending trial

Last Update: 7:32 am

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Joran van der Sloot's Peruvian lawyer says authorities there should formally interrogate his client...or set him free.

The Dutchman has been imprisoned In Peru's Castro Castro prison for nine months on charges he killed 21 year old student Stephanie Flores.  Her body was found in van der Sloot's Lima hotel room.  He told Peruvian authorities he killed Flores when she found material relating to Natalee Holloway on his laptop computer.

Holloway disappeared on a 2005 trip to Aruba with classmates from Mountain Brook High School.  She was last seen leaving a nightclub with van der Sloot.  He was questioned several times by Aruban authorities but never charged in her disappearance.  Flores body was found in van der Sloot's hotel room five years to the day of Natalee's disappearance.

Van der Shoot has since appealed to have his confession thrown out claiming police irregularities, coercion and the lack of a qualified Dutch language translator.

A ruling on that appeal is still pending.  Under Peruvian law, van der Sloot can be held 18 months but according to Radio Netherlands Worldwide lawyer Max Altez is not confident that his client will be questioned within the statutory period of custody, which is limited to 18 months.

The lawyer is blaming Peru's legal authorities for not providing a Dutch-Spanish interpreter, saying it is not up to him to arrange one. The Dutch embassy told Altez that they are not entitled to assign an interpreter to the case either.

Stephanie Flores father Riccardo rejected the lawyer's demands. "The murderer has not said anything up to now, so how can he have the tenacity to demand that he's released?"


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Post by: texasmom on January 14, 2011, 03:26:33 PM
http://www.aolnews.com/2011/01/14/report-joran-van-der-sloots-lawyer-wants-him-released/

Report: Van der Sloot's Lawyer Wants Him Released
Jan 14, 2011 – 11:20 AM

David Lohr
Contributor

The attorney for Joran van der Sloot, the Dutch native charged with killing a Peruvian woman and extorting money from the mother of missing U.S. teen Natalee Holloway, is demanding his client's release, according to a Dutch media outlet.

Maximo Altez said he is not confident that his client will be questioned within the 18-month statutory period of custody, Radio Netherlands Worldwide reported, and blames Peru's legal authorities for not providing a Dutch-Spanish interpreter.

Van der Sloot, a longtime suspect in the 2005 disappearance in Aruba of Holloway, has been in police custody since June. He is accused of the May 30 slaying of Stephany Flores, a Peruvian business student who was found dead in van der Sloot's hotel room in Lima on June 2. Van der Sloot has been charged with first-degree murder and robbery in the case.

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Dutch citizen Joran van der Sloot holds his inmate number on June 11 before been transferred to the Miguel Castro Castro prison in Lima.

If convicted of Flores' murder, van der Sloot could face 15 to 35 years in prison.

Van der Sloot has also been indicted by U.S. authorities for his alleged involvement in a plot to extort $250,000 from Holloway's family for information on her death and the location of her body.

After van der Sloot's arrest, officials in Peru announced he had made a full confession to Flores' murder. Van der Sloot said he broke Flores' neck in a fit of rage after she used his laptop to find out about his involvement in the Holloway case, officials said.

"I did not want to do it," van der Sloot allegedly said about the attack. "The girl intruded into my private life. ... We argued, and she tried to escape. I grabbed her by the neck, and I hit her."

The Dutchman later retracted that confession, saying he was arrested without a warrant and was not provided with an official translator, which he says caused confusion during questioning. Van der Sloot also said his laptop was improperly searched.

"All this with the intention of pressuring me to accuse [me] of homicide," the Dutch native said in the complaint, obtained by the Peruvian news program "24 Hours."

In June, Superior Court Judge Wilder Casique Alvizuri spent nearly a week examining the evidence in the case before ruling that van der Sloot's claim that his habeas corpus rights had been violated was "unfounded." Alvizuri said he determined that van der Sloot had not only a state-appointed attorney present during his depositions but also a Dutch-Spanish translator.

Altez immediately appealed the decision. The case has since gone before a panel of three Peruvian judges, and a decision is pending.

According to Altez, the case is on hold because authorities have not provided an interpreter. He reportedly said it is not up to him to arrange one. The Dutch embassy has reportedly told Altez that they are not entitled to arrange one either, Radio Netherlands Worldwide reported.

Flores' father, Ricardo Flores, disagrees with Altez's attempts to free the murder suspect.

Van der Sloot "has not said anything up to now," Flores told the radio station. "So how can he ... demand that he's released?"


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Post by: Blonde on January 14, 2011, 03:27:55 PM
Blonde and kkthy - I'm so envious of both of you!  So glad that you were able to watch and visit with Beth.
Not only a visit She spent most of her time in the meeting area after her speech holding me hugging me and thanking me for all  the emails and support that I have sent her in the five and a half years.
She said I have found out things before she did, and thanked me.
 Beth is a inspiration and a truly natural beautiful Woman.

At dinner some guy was telling her to wrap it up, they had to go she said No .
I'm spending time with my friends first.
Beth signed my book
My dearest __my name_____Many thanks for all your amazing support.
Much Love Beth..

It's not very often you get to meet your HERO
This was a chance for me to meet a woman I admire.
 We talked about her brave trip to Peru and the look on Joran face when she walked in..She laughed.


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Post by: texasmom on January 14, 2011, 03:33:00 PM
http://amigoenieuws.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1751:advocaat-eist-vrijlating-joran&catid=108:artikelen-aruba&Itemid=199

Google translation:

Lawyer demands release Joran
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Friday, January 14, 2011 7:06 p.m.

ORANGE CITY / LIMA - Joran van der Sloot's lawyer Máximo Altez demands release of his client because of errors in the judicial process. Although Joran now than six months on remand, he is still before the courts. The reason given is that no certified interpreter is available.

However, the Worldwide Altez says that this is no excuse. He mentions the fact that there is still no Dutch-Spanish interpreter is "an error of law system '. It is according to the lawyer being the responsibility of the judiciary to find the interpreter. An initiative of Altez to an interpreter using the Dutch embassy, came to nothing. Counsel referred this back to the Tribunal. The hearing must also within the statutory period of eighteen months of the detention place. Altez has no confidence that the hearing will take place within that time limit.

Joran is trapped in the heavily guarded Castro Castro prison in Lima, on suspicion of murder Stephany Flores on May 31 last year. The family of murdered Flores outrage at the demand of the lawyer. Through their lawyer, the family in the Peruvian media stated: "Throughout the process, he kept silent and coincidentally the statutory deadline gets closer, he suddenly wants a hearing. The absence of an interpreter is not the only reason why the hearing has not yet occurred. "What other reason would there be, is not reported.

Joran van der Sloot is still main suspect in the disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway in Aruba May 31 2005. Although the strong suspicion that Natalee is brought to life, for lack of evidence is Joran never charged in connection with this disappearance.


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Post by: Tamikosmom on January 14, 2011, 03:36:00 PM
Blonde and kkthy - I'm so envious of both of you!  So glad that you were able to watch and visit with Beth.
Not only a visit She spent most of her time in the meeting area after her speech holding me hugging me and thanking me for all  the emails and support that I have sent her in the five and a half years.
She said I have found out things before she did, and thanked me.
 Beth is a inspiration and a truly natural beautiful Woman.

At dinner some guy was telling her to wrap it up, they had to go she said No .
I'm spending time with my friends first.
Beth signed my book
My dearest __my name_____Many thanks for all your amazing support.
Much Love Beth..

It's not very often you get to meet your HERO
This was a chance for me to meet a woman I admire.
 We talked about her brave trip to Peru and the look on Joran face when she walked in..She laughed.


I am hoping against hope for that chance also.

Thanks for sharing Blonde.

Janet


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Post by: texasmom on January 14, 2011, 03:38:24 PM
Wow, is that Trudy Hassell?  If it is... big change, for the good imo.   ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/26504-trudy-hassell-hobennan-ta-haci-bus-trip-y-durante-e-trip-ta-consumi-hopi-alcohol-y-te-hasta-droga.html

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Papiamentu translation:

trudy hassell: hobennan is haci bus trip y during the trip is consumi much alcohol y till even drugs

friday, 14 january 2011 15:58

have one femomeno of bus trip ultimamente cu do not mustrando so sano. seems cu hobennan is haci bus trip y during the trip is consumi much alcohol y till even drugs. in one interview cu comisario of police trudy hassel owing to mustre on the asunto here. the consumo of drugs y alcohol is tumando lugar till even in fiestanan publico. by of work on caya they also is detectando much of the actividadnan here where the abuse of alcohol is present. much mother young is leave cu they child y bay in carnaval without think the danger cu have for her child. have parent cu is kies for they self lubidando on the seguridad of they same child. parents cu being achieve cu children much diminutive in paradanan of carnaval y in form incomodo police will wing they atencion. one parent responsable have to let his child close one familiar or person responsable if the wanted go goza in carnaval or parada. comisario trudy hassel is splica.


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Post by: Tamikosmom on January 14, 2011, 03:45:10 PM

What is the holdup?  It has now been four months since a fourth jury member was to cast a vote and ... nothing.

The silence out of Aruba has been deafening.  Are negotiations between the Netherlands/Aruba and Peru going on behind the scene?  I have that hinky feeling.

Janet

+++++

SEPTEMBER, 2010

Van der Sloot: I've 'misused' Holloway case 'for my own advantage'
By the CNN Wire Staff
September 7, 2010 9:11 a.m. EDT


Also Monday, a Peruvian court voted 2-1 to reject van der Sloot's contention that he is being held unlawfully, but the court requires three votes to secure a decision. Alteza said that a fourth jurist will hear the case and cast a vote at a public hearing next week. If that judge votes in favor of van der Sloot, a fifth judge will hear the case to break the tie.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/09/07/peru.vandersloot/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn


DECEMBER, 2010

Van der Sloot not Peru's most notorious prisoner
Last Update: 9:33 am


Meanwhile, down the road at Castro Castro, Joran van der Sloot is still awaiting word his appeal to have his murder confession thrown out of court. His lawyers charge both coercion and procedural improprieties to his confession he murdered 21 year old Stephany Flores after she found material about Natalee Holloway on his computer. Flores corpse was found in van der Sloot's Lima hotel room five years to the day of Natalee Holloway's disappearance on a high school trip to Aruba.

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Van-der-Sloot-not-Perus-most-notorious-prisoner/WbjNq4sK0U6QzOspmsOJhA.cspx



Lives like a King

Ricardo Flores


'Joran lives like a king in jail.'

'It is shameful what happens in prisons. I think the INPE has to give the same treatment to all criminals.'

'Unfortunately it seems that there are laws in Congress to protect the criminal, not to try and sentence them.'

November 10, 2010

http://www.generaccion.com/noticia/83737/familia-flores-aseguran-que-joran-van-der-sloot-vive-como-rey


The Tenacity

Lawyer says van der Sloot should be free pending trial
Last Update: 7:32 am
(September 14, 2011)

Stephanie Flores father Riccardo rejected the lawyer's demands. "The murderer has not said anything up to now, so how can he have the tenacity to demand that he's released?"

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Lawyer-says-van-der-Sloot-should-be-free-pending/50g1wcqxtESZz4uRG1iP8A.cspx


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Post by: Nut44x4 on January 14, 2011, 03:51:04 PM
Joran is probably safer in jail than out on the street at this point. His Lawyer better shut up, lol.


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Post by: MuffyBee on January 14, 2011, 03:55:19 PM
Joran would be just a wee bit of a flight risk, imo.  (sarcasm...)  It's not like he's locked up for jaywalking or stealing a goat or anything.  He's in prison waiting for his trial for allegedly murdering a young woman, not to mention he fled Peru right after. 


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Post by: Blonde on January 14, 2011, 04:22:53 PM
Beth Holloway: From Victim To Victor

A Tale Of Caution And Resiliency Presented To Waterford
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On May 25, 2005, one day after graduating from high school, 18-year-old Natalee Holloway was headed out the door for her senior trip. Her mother asked her if she had her sunscreen, passport and so on.

“At first, ‘yes, ma’am,’ then finally, ‘yes, Mom!” said Beth Holloway, recalling the words of her daughter, who had grown tired of the questioning.

So Beth backed off and watched her daughter get into a car headed to the airport. Natalee was off to Aruba with her classmates on a four-day excursion before getting ready to head to the University of Alabama on a full scholarship.

It would be the last time Beth Holloway would ever see her daughter.           

“After all I went through, I have every right to get in a hole and never get out,” Holloway said. “But I have chosen not to do that. We have choices on how to live our lives.”

On Thursday night in front of hundreds of people in the Waterford High School auditorium, Holloway told her story of pain and suffering, and her frustration at the Aruba police departments. More than five years after Natalee disappeared, the case remains unsolved.

On May 30, the last day of the senior trip, Natalee Holloway went to Carlos’n Charlie’s, a popular nightclub. There, Holloway met 17-year-old Joran van der Sloot, who reportedly bought her alcoholic drinks, including a shot of Bacardi 151, which has nearly twice the alcohol level of a normal shot.

Then, things become blurry. Holloway went into Van der Sloot’s car and then they engaged in sexual activities. It is not known if the sex was consensual. Everything after that is completely unknown, except one thing: Nobody has seen Natalee Holloway since.

Police Response

Once Beth Holloway received word later that day that her daughter had not arrived at the airport, panic struck.

“In that moment I got the call that all parents dread the minute our child is born,” Holloway said. “From that day, my life was changed forever.”

Holloway immediately flew to Aruba to search for her daughter. She contacted Aruban police, although soon realized they would be little help.

The police said to wait, that she would be returned home when the crack addicts who likely abducted her ran through her money, Holloway said. Police told her it was common for crack addicts to kidnap tourists, get them high on crack, steal their money and credit cards and then drop them back off at Carlos’n Charlie’s, Holloway said.

Refusing to just sit and wait, Holloway went on the offensive. She went to dozens upon dozens of crack houses looking for her daughter, only to find nothing.

Holloway soon heard of Van der Sloot, the last person to see Natalee Holloway alive. She confronted him, eager for details.

Van der Sloot said he had sex with Natalee Holloway, and then dropped her off at her hotel. Hotel security footage never showed Natalee Holloway return that night, Beth Holloway said.

Van der Sloot was eventually taken into custody by Aruban police, where he gave 22 different versions of what happened that night, Holloway said. Still, no search warrant was ever granted to search his home, and he was never formally charged with any crime.

Throughout this initial phase, Holloway did not shower, barely slept and hardly ate. After the original four days of constant searching for her daughter, and getting nowhere with police, Holloway began to break down mentally and physically.

“After being numb for so many days there was pain now, torturous pain,” she said. "I knew I had to find a place to pray.”

She tracked down a cab, which took her to a chapel. There, Holloway kneeled and begged for answers.

“I know in that moment, Natalee was with God,” Holloway said. “And I (was) in peace.”

Holloway would continue the search, and continues to this day. Nobody has ever been charged with any crime related to the disappearance, and Natalee’s body was never found.

Van der Sloot was charged with first-degree murder in Peru for allegedly killing Stephany Flores Ramírez on May 30, 2010, exactly five years after Natalee Holloway's disappearance.

Beth Holloway’s Mission

On Thursday, Beth Holloway did not speak to Waterford residents just to rehash the mystery surrounding her daughter’s disappearance. She also pushed for people to take care of themselves and have a plan of action when going anywhere, especially out of the country.

“Our children must know their personal safety is up to them,” Holloway said. “(Teenagers are) too old to be guarded by us, but too young not to be reminded that there are dangerous people and dangerous places.”

Holloway pushed her “360 full safety plan,” where teenagers should not just plan where they are going, but how they are getting home. She also started the Natalee Holloway Research Center at the National Museum of Crime & Punishment to aid families of missing persons and Mayday 360, a service that gives legal, political and police resources to Americans overseas.

The inspiration to keep working, and to keep telling her story is fueled by her daughter, Holloway said. If she can just make one person safer, make just one person more aware of problems that can happen, it is all worth it, Holloway said.

“Natalee had real hope,” she said. “The hope that filled her life, now fills mine.”

Waterford’s Role

The presentation was sponsored by the Waterford Justice League, a combination of Waterford Youth Services, Clark Lane Middle School and the Waterford Police Department to inform children about the dangers of drugs and weapons and to make police more accessible to the community. Overall, 19 middle school students entered the program, all on hand for Holloway’s presentation.

“I just thought it was amazing how somebody could talk about something like that,” said middle school student Alaina Milukas, a member of the league.

“It was very inspiring,” added her brother Matthew Milukas, also part of the league. “The will power to overcome something like that and turn it into a positive is really amazing.”

Clark Lane Principal Michael Lovetere, a father of two, was particularly touched by the presentation.

“My youngest daughter was the same age as Natalee, and I remember that whole summer (my wife and I) were glued to the television set,” Lovetere said. “We could really relate to it.”

Lovetere’s daughter was set to travel abroad to Italy for college, and from there she would often go to other European countries, he said. With the case going on, sleep was not easy to come by, he said.

“It just lets you know that it can happen to any of us,” he said. “It just makes you worried.”

If something did happen, the courage to get up and speak about it would be hard to come by, he said. If something happened to one of his daughters, it would probably be too much to handle, Lovetere said.

“I don’t know how you go on,” he said. “I have kids and I just don’t know how you can go on.”

What did you take from Beth Holloway's presentation? Tell us in the comments.


This was on of Beth friends


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Blonde on January 14, 2011, 04:28:09 PM
Sorry, this was one of beth's good friends


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Post by: Tamikosmom on January 14, 2011, 04:34:30 PM
cj123

I see ya in the rafters.  Come on down.  Your insight/input would be appreciated.

Janet

+++++

Food for Thought

San
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #725 2/6
« Reply #31 on: February 07, 2008, 01:46:19 AM »


He saw Joran on MSN and said yo what's wrong with you and Joran kept apologizing to him. Daury said Joran gave his number to the reporter.

He prefers not to answer what he thinks about Joran now.

Daury said Joran never mentioned Natalee to him and Daury didn't want to get involved in that because it was not his problem.

Daury said they used to make fun of Joran.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2578.msg343302#msg343302


cj123
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #725 2/6
« Reply #33 on: February 07, 2008, 01:48:17 AM »


How many times have we heard about people that got made fun of taking their aggression out on innocent people???

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2578.msg343302#msg343302


For the Love of Joran

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #749 4/24 -
« Reply #367 on: April 27, 2008, 12:38:30 PM »


I am amazed that the people who love or care for Joran do not yet see that he needs the help that can only be provided by him going to the authorities and telling the entire truth. Being rejected by society, labled as a criminal, all are taking a horrible toll on Joran that is going to fuel his addictions and push him further and further into a self destructive lifestyle. I would think his mother would recognize Joran's needs, and see the benefit he would gain even from incarceration. Isn't an investment of five or so years worth a return of trhe rest of Joran's life? .... 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2804.msg377586#


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Post by: kkthy on January 14, 2011, 05:07:50 PM
Blonde and kkthy - I'm so envious of both of you!  So glad that you were able to watch and visit with Beth.
Not only a visit She spent most of her time in the meeting area after her speech holding me hugging me and thanking me for all  the emails and support that I have sent her in the five and a half years.
She said I have found out things before she did, and thanked me.
 Beth is a inspiration and a truly natural beautiful Woman.

At dinner some guy was telling her to wrap it up, they had to go she said No .
I'm spending time with my friends first.
Beth signed my book
My dearest __my name_____Many thanks for all your amazing support.
Much Love Beth..

It's not very often you get to meet your HERO
This was a chance for me to meet a woman I admire.
 We talked about her brave trip to Peru and the look on Joran face when she walked in..She laughed.


Blonde,
I can imagine that she is so greatful to have met you and to know how dedicated you have been in following her story and keeping Natalee's memory alive.  I told her that we will never forget and she hugged me.  This SM group keeps Natalee's story alive. 

It was great to meet you!


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Post by: kkthy on January 14, 2011, 05:14:39 PM
Blonde and kkthy - I'm so envious of both of you!  So glad that you were able to watch and visit with Beth.

Klaasend,
I still can't believe it.  My husband and friends all though she was amazing and felt so very glad that we were able to attend. 


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Post by: texasmom on January 14, 2011, 06:36:51 PM
Joran's not going to be released, his lawyer is an idiot. 

And Joran doesn't need anyone to translate Spanish for him!  GMAFB!  ::MonkeyRoll::  Just ask Freddy, Loco Steph or any number of his other friends!   ::MonkeyTongue::

If they should succeed with their baseless claims (probably with an added payoff), and Joran walks out of Castro Castro...it will be into the open arms of the U.S.A. for prosecution in Alabama.  Let Joran start his "waaaaaaa I need a translator" in Alabama!  I'm very confident that even in Federal detention there will be a "Bubba" more than willing to take care of that big crybaby!   ::MonkeyWink::
 
::MonkeyGavel::

jmo


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 14, 2011, 06:58:39 PM
http://www.surfertoday.com/windsurfing/4771-vietnam-aruba-and-tenerife-in-the-2011-pwa-tour

(http://www.surfertoday.com/images/stories/pwabeach.jpg)

Vietnam, Aruba and Tenerife in the 2011 PWA Tour         

Written by Editor at SurferToday.com      
Thursday, 13 January 2011 12:24


The 2011 PWA World Tour calendar has been released. This year, there are 14 pro windsurfing events and three new destinations: Mui Ne (Vietnam), Aruba (Caribbean) and El Medano (Tenerife). Race, wave and freestyle are the official disciplines.

The action starts with an all-new event in Mui Ne, Vietnam, which will see the PWA’s men’s and women’s freestyle and slalom fleets battling it out for a share of the event’s €100,000 prize purse on the palm fringed beaches of the South China Sea.

Adding to the tally of new destinations, the World Tour will also pay a visit to the turquoise waters of the Caribbean for the first time since 2005. Taking the plunge will be the freestyle and slalom fleets, who’ll christen Aruba’s waters in a week long Grand Slam extravaganza.

The final new installment for 2011 is a stop on the wave drenched stores of El Medano in southern Tenerife. Like its neighboring islands of Gran Canaria and Fuerteventura, Tenerife enjoys the consistent north east trade winds which blow for the duration of the northern hemisphere’s summer. Couple this with a reliable supply of Atlantic swell, and you have the makings of a classic show down for the PWA’s wave fleet.

Standing alongside these new additions there’s the eclectic selection of tried and tested locations, which include the grueling European leg of the World Tour and slalom action in Ulsan, South Korea.

2011 PWA World Tour calendar:

2011 MUI NE, VIETNAM
Feb 25 - Mar 05

2011 PODERSDORF AUSTRIA
Apr 29 - May 04

2011 ULSAN WORLD CUP KOREA
May 14 - May 20

2011 COSTA BRAVA SPAIN
May 31 - Jun 05

2011 BONAIRE
Jun 12 - Jun 16

2011 ARUBA
Jun 19 - Jun 26

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 14, 2011, 07:04:20 PM
Joran's possible release from a Peruvian lockup?

When I consider those in high places in the Netherlands/Aruba who are protecting Joran ... the main suspect in the Natalee Holloway case who has the ability to cause the house of cards to collapse if he reveals all that he has knowledge of regarding the  Aruban coverup ... "I fear the worst but hope for the best".

Janet

++++++


I'm Done.

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 182
- September 1 Helen calls to say the court is asking for DNA from the Kalpoes and Joran van der Sloot and that their attorneys are fighting this.  She also says the suspects are pointing the finger at one another.

Page 183 - Helen is very positive. "It looks good that they will remain in custody." she says.  Then about three hours after she tells me this encouraging news, a devastating call comes from an AP reporter.

"Paulus van der Sloot and his attorney are bragging to everyone that all three suspects are getting out day after tomorrow!

Then all the media start calling.  I call Helen, then FBI agent Bill and the U.S. vice-consul.  None of them have this information.  So we tell the media it must be a rumor.  But the word is out all over the island to the defense side that all three suspects will walk.

Four and a half hours after this announcement is made to international media by Joran's father and his defense team, the FBI calls to tell me it is indeed true.  So the three suspects who were last seen with my daughter, and who offered multiple versions of what happened that night, will go free.  And we are the last ones to find out.

Natalee's handwriting on her immigration card states that the duration of her stay here would be four nights.  It has been ninety-five.  And I have painstakingly counted every one of them.

When Helen calls, I stand in a corner of the hotel room, phone to my ear, tapping my head against the wall over and over.  Tears fall hard.  "I'm done, Helen.  I'm done.  No justice for Natalee in Aruba.  I'm done."


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2011, 07:19:47 PM
Lawyer says van der Sloot should be free pending trial

Joran van der Sloot's Peruvian lawyer says authorities there should formally interrogate his client...or set him free.

The Dutchman has been imprisoned In Peru's Castro Castro prison for nine months on charges he killed 21 year old student Stephanie Flores.  Her body was found in van der Sloot's Lima hotel room.  He told Peruvian authorities he killed Flores when she found material relating to Natalee Holloway on his laptop computer.

Holloway disappeared on a 2005 trip to Aruba with classmates from Mountain Brook High School.  She was last seen leaving a nightclub with van der Sloot.  He was questioned several times by Aruban authorities but never charged in her disappearance.  Flores body was found in van der Sloot's hotel room five years to the day of Natalee's disappearance.

Van der Shoot has since appealed to have his confession thrown out claiming police irregularities, coercion and the lack of a qualified Dutch language translator.

A ruling on that appeal is still pending.  Under Peruvian law, van der Sloot can be held 18 months but according to Radio Netherlands Worldwide lawyer Max Altez is not confident that his client will be questioned within the statutory period of custody, which is limited to 18 months.

The lawyer is blaming Peru's legal authorities for not providing a Dutch-Spanish interpreter, saying it is not up to him to arrange one. The Dutch embassy told Altez that they are not entitled to assign an interpreter to the case either.

Stephanie Flores father Riccardo rejected the lawyer's demands. "The murderer has not said anything up to now, so how can he have the tenacity to demand that he's released?" 

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Lawyer-says-van-der-Sloot-should-be-free-pending/50g1wcqxtESZz4uRG1iP8A.cspx



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 14, 2011, 07:59:17 PM
Joran is probably safer in jail than out on the street at this point. His Lawyer better shut up, lol.

I agree.

It is my contention that Joran would likely be the target of the higher ups in Aruba/Netherlands.  He knows too much regarding those who were/are involved in the coverup that has prevnted justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway.  Joran cannot be trusted to keep his mouth shut.  Aruba/Netherlands must realize that at any given moment in time the house of cards could collapse.

For the sake of other Natalees and Stephanys ... I hope that Joran remains in that Peruvian lockup for a long long time.

Janet

+++++ 

Police Officers

Joran van der Sloot Goes 'On the Record' with New Natalee Holloway Story
Tuesday, November 25, 2008


GRETA VAN SUSTEREN: And I will. I mean, you told me, one of the things you told me - this is - and what I want to do is use this with leverage is that (NAME DELETED) was paid off, and another police officer was paid off by your father.
JORAN VAN DER SLOOT: You know something, Greta, though, I don't really want to do this, actually. I don't. This is not actually what we agreed on.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,457144,00.html


Higher Powers

Disposed - Patrick Vander Eem


PATRICK: Where the f--- is she Joran?
JORAN: I don’t know precisely.
PATRICK: How is it that you don’t know?
JORAN: Yea—
PATRICK: Higher power?
JORAN: Higher power—powers


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 14, 2011, 09:10:49 PM
http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/26520-investigacion-contra-dos-agente-di-polis-.html

Papiamentu translation:

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detencion of two agent of policial

friday, 14 january 2011 20:12

today tardi bizo (departamento of investigacion interno) of cuerpo policial owing to detene two police of oranjestad. is deal here of the polisnan of surname p. y r. both is wordo acusa of maltrato y of meineed (no owing to raporta susedido at form corecto). one want another have of haber cu one caso cu did take luga day 2 of january at renaissance resort. one man of surname g. owing to destrui one blackboard y seguridad of hotel owing to core his slow y owing to detene. in the proceso he owing to resisti y owing to bay ground cu the miembronan of seguridad of the hotel. all the time police owing to arrive for take the detenido over y at the instant ey the sospechoso owing to leave at careda bay. while cu the polisnan is coriendo his slow, one of they owing to trompica y owing to cay injury his self. at instant cu owing to succeed grab the sospechoso, the will owing to resisti y polisnan will owing to employ compel bruto for detene. the sospechoso today owing to entrega complaint of maltrato fisico contra the two polisnan y owing to present his proof of doctor cu is certifica cu the have sla. bizo owing to send calling both agent of police today y owing to base of the video of hotel, owing to bay over at detencion. both is encarcela at keep of police of santa cruz pendiente more investigacion.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 15, 2011, 01:21:19 AM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_kjjkik_1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE AND STEPHANY!
 ::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 15, 2011, 04:13:01 AM
TICK_TOCK

ALL IN DO TIME

::MonkeyGavel::

::MonkeyShovel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: can on January 15, 2011, 05:24:34 AM
Blonde - I'm sure it did your heart good to meet your hero.  May God bless Beth fully and bring the answers she so deserves.   ::MonkeyAngel::

kkathy - thank you for your posts regarding your meeting with Beth.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: can on January 15, 2011, 05:31:30 AM
Blonde and kkthy - I'm so envious of both of you!  So glad that you were able to watch and visit with Beth.

Klaas, It is my hope that one day the opportunity will present itself so that you too might meet Beth.    ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 15, 2011, 09:26:01 AM
TICK_TOCK

ALL IN DO TIME

::MonkeyGavel::

::MonkeyShovel::


Good morning KTF.  (http://bestsmileys.com/clocks/3.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 15, 2011, 10:05:35 AM
Blonde and kkthy - I'm so envious of both of you!  So glad that you were able to watch and visit with Beth.

Klaas, It is my hope that one day the opportunity will present itself so that you too might meet Beth.    ::MonkeyAngel::
::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 15, 2011, 10:38:53 AM
http://www.destentor.nl/nieuws/algemeen/binnenland/7969994/Advocaat-wil-Joran-van-der-Sloot-vrij.ece

Google translation:

Lawyer wants Joran van der Sloot Fri

Friday, January 14, 2011 | 4:18 p.m. | Last updated: Friday, January 14, 2011 | 4:19 p.m.

(http://nieuws.wegenerweb.nl/multimedia/archive/01671/Joran_op_nummer_1__1671088h.jpg)
Reuters

LIMA - Maximo Altez, the lawyer for Joran van der Sloot, has a request for release pending the trial. The reason is that he has seven months in jail without any progress, according to the lawyer.

"Because no certified interpreter, Van der Sloot did not even have the first statement." Eighteen months is the maximum period that a suspect according to Peruvian law on remand should sit.

New Judge
Altez: "There are only seven months passed, but because everything is so slow, we have already submitted the request. There is now a new judge put on the case. That should read. This means that further delays and that is regrettable. "

The lawyer expects in a few months to get a response to his request. Joran van der Sloot is, since June last year on remand in the Castro Castro prison in Lima, Peru.

Depressed
He is accused of murdering the Peruvian Stephany Flores. According Altez he makes it to good conditions. "He arrived a bit depressed, because it all takes so long, though."


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 15, 2011, 11:11:21 AM
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/8735063/__Advocaat__laat_Joran_vrij__.html

Google translation:

Fri January 14 2011, 11:28 | 350 responses

Lawyer demands release van der Sloot

LIMA - The lawyer of Joran van der Sloot wants his client be released pending his trial because errors were made in the judicial process.

Máximo Altez to submit an application to the court, said the Peruvian lawyer against Worldwide.
Vogens Altez Van der Sloot had already been interrogated by a judge to be the murder of the Peruvian Stephany Flores in May last year. That is, after nine months on remand, has not happened because no certified interpreter is available. The lawyer has no confidence that Van der Sloot is still heard within the statutory period for a pre-trial detention of 18 months.
That there is still no interpreter, called Altez a failure of the justice system. According to him he can have little to do because the judiciary must offer an interpreter.

Ricardo Flores, the father of the murdered Stephany, reacts indignantly to the requirement of Altez. "If the killer so far nothing to say, how dare he ask to be released today?" he told Radio Netherlands. According to him, Joran is delaying the investigation itself and wants to talk only after the deadline had expired. The absence of an interpreter in the family not the reason why the hearing has not yet occurred.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Buckeye on January 15, 2011, 11:11:43 AM
http://www.destentor.nl/nieuws/algemeen/binnenland/7969994/Advocaat-wil-Joran-van-der-Sloot-vrij.ece

Google translation:

Lawyer wants Joran van der Sloot Fri

Friday, January 14, 2011 | 4:18 p.m. | Last updated: Friday, January 14, 2011 | 4:19 p.m.

(http://nieuws.wegenerweb.nl/multimedia/archive/01671/Joran_op_nummer_1__1671088h.jpg)
Reuters

LIMA - Maximo Altez, the lawyer for Joran van der Sloot, has a request for release pending the trial. The reason is that he has seven months in jail without any progress, according to the lawyer.

"Because no certified interpreter, Van der Sloot did not even have the first statement." Eighteen months is the maximum period that a suspect according to Peruvian law on remand should sit.

New Judge
Altez: "There are only seven months passed, but because everything is so slow, we have already submitted the request. There is now a new judge put on the case. That should read. This means that further delays and that is regrettable. "

The lawyer expects in a few months to get a response to his request. Joran van der Sloot is, since June last year on remand in the Castro Castro prison in Lima, Peru.

Depressed
He is accused of murdering the Peruvian Stephany Flores. According Altez he makes it to good conditions. "He arrived a bit depressed, because it all takes so long, though."

Isn't a translator used so the accused understands the question? 

Let's say Joran misunderstood the question and answered with a full description of the murder.

Why would he need a translator?  If the authorities didn't understand him....then maybe they could use a translator...but Joran said what he said....and I believe it is on tape.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 15, 2011, 11:26:37 AM
In reading the comments about that article on some of the Dutch sites, many agree that Joran doesn't need a Spanish translator...

 ::MonkeyCool::


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Post by: Blonde on January 15, 2011, 12:08:50 PM
Looking for a picture of Beth that she showed in Waterford .Beth  was at a church that had five crosses she prayed at every cross when she reached the fifth she knew in her heart that God had Natalee the picture brought tears to my eyes do we have it anywhere.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: klaasend on January 15, 2011, 12:10:08 PM
Looking for a picture of Beth that she showed in Waterford .Beth  was at a church that had five crosses she prayed at every cross when she reached the fifth she knew in her heart that God had Natalee the picture brought tears to my eyes do we have it anywhere.

I've seen that Blonde, let me look.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Blonde on January 15, 2011, 12:15:38 PM
Beth described this event so clearly I felt  I was in Aruba with her. I wish they had a transcript of that speech.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Blonde on January 15, 2011, 12:19:00 PM
Beth described this event so clearly I felt  I was in Aruba with her. I wish they had a transcript of that speech.

Here is some of it

Throughout this initial phase, Holloway did not shower, barely slept and hardly ate. After the original four days of constant searching for her daughter, and getting nowhere with police, Holloway began to break down mentally and physically.

“After being numb for so many days there was pain now, torturous pain,” she said. "I knew I had to find a place to pray.”

She tracked down a cab, which took her to a chapel. There, Holloway kneeled and begged for answers.

“I know in that moment, Natalee was with God,” Holloway said. “And I (was) in peace.”


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: klaasend on January 15, 2011, 12:20:46 PM
Looking for a picture of Beth that she showed in Waterford .Beth  was at a church that had five crosses she prayed at every cross when she reached the fifth she knew in her heart that God had Natalee the picture brought tears to my eyes do we have it anywhere.

I've seen that Blonde, let me look.

Blonde watch this video

http://www.cbn.com/media/player/index.aspx?s=/vod/BethHolloway_102207


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 15, 2011, 12:25:51 PM
Looking for a picture of Beth that she showed in Waterford .Beth  was at a church that had five crosses she prayed at every cross when she reached the fifth she knew in her heart that God had Natalee the picture brought tears to my eyes do we have it anywhere.


THE STATIONS OF THE CROSS

Blessed Assurance

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway


Exerpts

Pages 100-103: I rise and make my way up the hillside to the next cross and the next one and the next, repeating my prayers.

I am looking to the sky, which is growing bluer as dawn breaks, and talking to God.  And as I reach the fifth cross, the answer to these prayers comes.  Complete peace blankets me, and I am still.  It's a familiar feeling, yet unknown to me like this before now.  It comes in total stillness.  Silence. And in this instant I know that Natalee is with God.

I understand that from the moment she got into Deepak Kalpoe's car her heavenly Father wrapped His loving arms around her and cared for her through whatever ordeal she encountered that night.  I don't know if she is alive or not, but I know that He is with her.

He entrusted me with her care for eighteen years.  Now I must trust Him to care for her.  So I never ask Him why.  Why Natalee?  Why me?  I don't ask.  To do that undermines faith.  Instead, I form an "acceptance trust" with Him there on the windy hillside.  God never questioned me when she was in my care.  I must not question Him.  I realize that He is as proud of her as I am.

Thoughts of Natalee's personal relationship with God comes to me.  He knows her very well.  And she knows Him.

Natalee was very active in the Community Ministry for Girls in Mountain Brook all four years throughout high school.  The founder and director, Donna Greene, shared a special moment with me just before graduation.  Following the very last Bible group meeting about two weeks or so ago Natalee told her friends to go on without her.  She was excited and glowing as she told Donna that she knew for certain that she had communicated with God.  She knew He had heard her.

Donna's first words of support when Natalee went missing were, "She knows how to call on God".  In these thoughts I received the blessed assurance from the Creator that rescues me.  And I am at peace.

The weight is gone.  I move to the next cross, making my way on up the hill stopping and praying at all fourteen crosses.  The Stations of the Cross.  The depiction of the walk Jesus made to His crucifixion.

The sun is up as I reach the top of the hill to see the Alto Vista chapel.  When I step onto the chapel grounds I am free, Liberated from the pain for a precious few moments.  The wind is blowing hard, and I feel Natalee.  I talk to her.  Promise to find her.  Get justice for her.  And pledge never to give up.  Never.

I think about what just happened, pondering the human spirit.  Apparently it can withstand a lot more than I every dreamed possible.  Mom is right; God is good.  All my life I've heard people of many faiths talk about "taking it to the cross and turning it over to the Lord" or just simply "turning it over.  Not the work that has to be done.  Just the burden.  I cast it upon Him so that I may be sustained.  And I am renewed, resilient.  Thankful for however long this resurgence in energy will carry me.  I will pick up one foot and put it down.  Then the other one will follow.  I will breathe.  There is much to be done.


Alto Vista - NE Aruba

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 15, 2011, 12:27:30 PM
I have a picture of Beth (crying) with a friend outside of the Alto Vista church somewhere...haven't found it yet.

I don't think I've ever seen one of Beth at the crosses, but this is one of Tracy Pollan from the Lifetime Movie.

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/2009/12/03/2009-12-03_true_stories_offer_cable_a_lifetime_of_hit_movies.html

(http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/12/03/alg_tv_tracy_pollan.jpg)


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Post by: Buckeye on January 15, 2011, 12:32:17 PM
Beth described this event so clearly I felt  I was in Aruba with her. I wish they had a transcript of that speech.

Here is some of it

Throughout this initial phase, Holloway did not shower, barely slept and hardly ate. After the original four days of constant searching for her daughter, and getting nowhere with police, Holloway began to break down mentally and physically.

“After being numb for so many days there was pain now, torturous pain,” she said. "I knew I had to find a place to pray.”

She tracked down a cab, which took her to a chapel. There, Holloway kneeled and begged for answers.

“I know in that moment, Natalee was with God,” Holloway said. “And I (was) in peace.”



http://www.flickr.com/photos/67958110@N00/2891521166


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Post by: klaasend on January 15, 2011, 12:33:37 PM
Thanks TM and  Buckeye. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 15, 2011, 12:38:48 PM
Looking for a picture of Beth that she showed in Waterford .Beth  was at a church that had five crosses she prayed at every cross when she reached the fifth she knew in her heart that God had Natalee the picture brought tears to my eyes do we have it anywhere.

I've seen that Blonde, let me look.

Blonde watch this video

http://www.cbn.com/media/player/index.aspx?s=/vod/BethHolloway_102207

Powerful!!

Thanks Klaas.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 15, 2011, 12:48:42 PM
Beth described this event so clearly I felt  I was in Aruba with her. I wish they had a transcript of that speech.

Here is some of it

Throughout this initial phase, Holloway did not shower, barely slept and hardly ate. After the original four days of constant searching for her daughter, and getting nowhere with police, Holloway began to break down mentally and physically.

“After being numb for so many days there was pain now, torturous pain,” she said. "I knew I had to find a place to pray.”

She tracked down a cab, which took her to a chapel. There, Holloway kneeled and begged for answers.

“I know in that moment, Natalee was with God,” Holloway said. “And I (was) in peace.”



http://www.flickr.com/photos/67958110@N00/2891521166

Thanks Buckeye

I have often attempted to visualize the scenario that Beth shares in regards to "The Stations of the Cross".

Janet


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Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 15, 2011, 01:01:10 PM
I believe there are 14 stations of the cross.  If Beth stopped at the 5th station, it represents when Simon Helps Jesus Carry His Cross.   ::MonkeyAngel::



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Post by: texasmom on January 15, 2011, 01:05:37 PM
I believe there are 14 stations of the cross.  If Beth stopped at the 5th station, it represents when Simon Helps Jesus Carry His Cross.   ::MonkeyAngel::


::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Blonde on January 15, 2011, 01:14:06 PM
Looking for a picture of Beth that she showed in Waterford .Beth  was at a church that had five crosses she prayed at every cross when she reached the fifth she knew in her heart that God had Natalee the picture brought tears to my eyes do we have it anywhere.

I've seen that Blonde, let me look.

Blonde watch this video

http://www.cbn.com/media/player/index.aspx?s=/vod/BethHolloway_102207

Powerful!!

Thanks Klaas.

Janet

Very Powerful but no picture of her holding Natalee picture, dirty jeans and not eaten  or slept for four days this picture was incredible Still looking for it


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 15, 2011, 01:18:52 PM
I believe there are 14 stations of the cross.  If Beth stopped at the 5th station, it represents when Simon Helps Jesus Carry His Cross.   ::MonkeyAngel::



I never realized that each cross had a significance.

Thanks 2NJ

Janet

++++++

Spiritual significance

The object of the Stations is to help the faithful to make a spiritual pilgrimage of prayer, through meditating upon the chief scenes of Christ's sufferings and death. It has become one of the most popular devotions for Roman Catholics, as well as featuring in the worship and devotion of other Christian denominations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stations_of_the_Cross#History


Traditional form

The Stations themselves are usually a series of 14 pictures or sculptures depicting the following scenes:

Jesus is condemned to death
Jesus is given his cross
Jesus falls the first time
Jesus meets His Mother
Simon of Cyrene carries the cross
Veronica wipes the face of Jesus
Jesus falls the second time
Jesus meets the daughters of Jerusalem
Jesus falls the third time
Jesus is stripped of His garments
Crucifixion: Jesus is nailed to the cross
Jesus dies on the cross
Jesus' body is removed from the cross (Deposition or Lamentation)
Jesus is laid in the tomb and covered in incense.
 
Although not traditionally part of the Stations, the Resurrection of Jesus is sometimes included as a fifteenth station

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stations_of_the_Cross#History


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 15, 2011, 01:22:14 PM
Looking for a picture of Beth that she showed in Waterford .Beth  was at a church that had five crosses she prayed at every cross when she reached the fifth she knew in her heart that God had Natalee the picture brought tears to my eyes do we have it anywhere.

I've seen that Blonde, let me look.

Blonde watch this video

http://www.cbn.com/media/player/index.aspx?s=/vod/BethHolloway_102207

Powerful!!

Thanks Klaas.

Janet

Very Powerful but no picture of her holding Natalee picture, dirty jeans and not eaten  or slept for four days this picture was incredible Still looking for it

Blonde

Does the photo you are referring to show Beth sitting on the floor in her hotel room leaning again the wall?

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 15, 2011, 01:26:32 PM
Looking for a picture of Beth that she showed in Waterford .Beth  was at a church that had five crosses she prayed at every cross when she reached the fifth she knew in her heart that God had Natalee the picture brought tears to my eyes do we have it anywhere.

I've seen that Blonde, let me look.

Blonde watch this video

http://www.cbn.com/media/player/index.aspx?s=/vod/BethHolloway_102207

Powerful!!

Thanks Klaas.

Janet

Very Powerful but no picture of her holding Natalee picture, dirty jeans and not eaten  or slept for four days this picture was incredible Still looking for it

www.people.com

This is one from a People article:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/07042005_PeopleMagazine_1.jpg)


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Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 15, 2011, 01:32:13 PM
I believe there are 14 stations of the cross.  If Beth stopped at the 5th station, it represents when Simon Helps Jesus Carry His Cross.   ::MonkeyAngel::



I never realized that each cross had a significance.

Thanks 2NJ

Janet

++++++

Spiritual significance

The object of the Stations is to help the faithful to make a spiritual pilgrimage of prayer, through meditating upon the chief scenes of Christ's sufferings and death. It has become one of the most popular devotions for Roman Catholics, as well as featuring in the worship and devotion of other Christian denominations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stations_of_the_Cross#History


Traditional form

The Stations themselves are usually a series of 14 pictures or sculptures depicting the following scenes:

Jesus is condemned to death
Jesus is given his cross
Jesus falls the first time
Jesus meets His Mother
Simon of Cyrene carries the cross
Veronica wipes the face of Jesus
Jesus falls the second time
Jesus meets the daughters of Jerusalem
Jesus falls the third time
Jesus is stripped of His garments
Crucifixion: Jesus is nailed to the cross
Jesus dies on the cross
Jesus' body is removed from the cross (Deposition or Lamentation)
Jesus is laid in the tomb and covered in incense.
 
Although not traditionally part of the Stations, the Resurrection of Jesus is sometimes included as a fifteenth station

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stations_of_the_Cross#History


Yes, Janet.  In Catholic churches, the stations historically have been depicted inside and/or outside. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 15, 2011, 01:37:13 PM
I believe there are 14 stations of the cross.  If Beth stopped at the 5th station, it represents when Simon Helps Jesus Carry His Cross.   ::MonkeyAngel::



I never realized that each cross had a significance.

Thanks 2NJ

Janet

++++++

Spiritual significance

The object of the Stations is to help the faithful to make a spiritual pilgrimage of prayer, through meditating upon the chief scenes of Christ's sufferings and death. It has become one of the most popular devotions for Roman Catholics, as well as featuring in the worship and devotion of other Christian denominations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stations_of_the_Cross#History


Traditional form

The Stations themselves are usually a series of 14 pictures or sculptures depicting the following scenes:

Jesus is condemned to death
Jesus is given his cross
Jesus falls the first time
Jesus meets His Mother
Simon of Cyrene carries the cross
Veronica wipes the face of Jesus
Jesus falls the second time
Jesus meets the daughters of Jerusalem
Jesus falls the third time
Jesus is stripped of His garments
Crucifixion: Jesus is nailed to the cross
Jesus dies on the cross
Jesus' body is removed from the cross (Deposition or Lamentation)
Jesus is laid in the tomb and covered in incense.
 
Although not traditionally part of the Stations, the Resurrection of Jesus is sometimes included as a fifteenth station

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stations_of_the_Cross#History


Yes, Janet.  In Catholic churches, the stations historically have been depicted inside and/or outside. 

A constant reminder of the ultimate sacrifice.

I like the 15th Station.  The tomb could not hold Him.

Thanks again.

Janet


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Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 15, 2011, 01:42:12 PM
TM,

I thought I had a vague recollection of the photo Blonde mentioned, but couldn't be sure after all this time.  I'm thinking maybe I was remembering the photo you just posted from People.  Still am not sure, but thanks for finding and posting it. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Blonde on January 15, 2011, 01:51:24 PM
Looking for a picture of Beth that she showed in Waterford .Beth  was at a church that had five crosses she prayed at every cross when she reached the fifth she knew in her heart that God had Natalee the picture brought tears to my eyes do we have it anywhere.

I've seen that Blonde, let me look.

Blonde watch this video

http://www.cbn.com/media/player/index.aspx?s=/vod/BethHolloway_102207

Powerful!!

Thanks Klaas.

Janet

Very Powerful but no picture of her holding Natalee picture, dirty jeans and not eaten  or slept for four days this picture was incredible Still looking for it

Blonde

Does the photo you are referring to show Beth sitting on the floor in her hotel room leaning again the wall?

Janet

No Janet, she is holding a picture like this one of Natalee in her arms
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Natalee/nataleemarching7xx.jpg)

Beth is standing in her four day old jeans and their is a Church behind her it's so chilling


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Blonde on January 15, 2011, 01:54:32 PM
Looking for a picture of Beth that she showed in Waterford .Beth  was at a church that had five crosses she prayed at every cross when she reached the fifth she knew in her heart that God had Natalee the picture brought tears to my eyes do we have it anywhere.

I've seen that Blonde, let me look.

Blonde watch this video

http://www.cbn.com/media/player/index.aspx?s=/vod/BethHolloway_102207

Powerful!!

Thanks Klaas.

Janet

Very Powerful but no picture of her holding Natalee picture, dirty jeans and not eaten  or slept for four days this picture was incredible Still looking for it

www.people.com

This is one from a People article:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/07042005_PeopleMagazine_1.jpg)

Not the same picture, but most likely the same day this is close.
 Beth was standing
 Thank You I just need to frame this picture.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 15, 2011, 01:58:42 PM
TM,

I thought I had a vague recollection of the photo Blonde mentioned, but couldn't be sure after all this time.  I'm thinking maybe I was remembering the photo you just posted from People.  Still am not sure, but thanks for finding and posting it. 

You're welcome 2NJ!   ::MonkeyAngel::

The full article is here:

http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20148066,00.html

or for the pdf file of that issue:

http://storage.people.com/pdfs/20050704/PEO_ISSUE_20050704_PDF/PEO_20050704_ISSUE.PDF

snipped

Beth, meanwhile, felt such a sense of urgency after landing in Aruba that she did not sleep for 48 hours. Exhausted but too worried about Natalee to shut down, she took a cab to a chapel on Aruba's north end at 5 a.m. on June 1. There she walked in the morning's dim light along a row of 13 shoulder-high white crosses. Suddenly "I realized God was taking care of Natalee," she says, "and so I could just focus on finding her."

Searching Aruba's desolate brush has been nerve-racking work. "There were so many times when we smelled something horrible and you think, 'Please, don't let it be her,' " says Robin Holloway. "And then you'd find a dead dog or chicken." On June 10 FBI agents gathered Natalee's family to brief them on the arrests of Joran and his friends. They offered no details but conveyed "that the investigation appears to be of foul play," says Dave, "and that there's a possibility that Natalee may not be found alive."

Beth took the briefing in stride, resuming her mission to put her daughter's photo in every store in Aruba. Her demeanor is upbeat, though in rare unguarded moments she fights back tears when talking about Natalee. At night she sleeps in a wrinkled nightshirt that she fished out of Natalee's dirty laundry in Aruba because it makes her feel close to her daughter. And at least once a day she retreats to the chapel that gave her solace early in her journey. She stares at the sea and feels Natalee's presence in the hillside winds. Sometimes it is there, in the most peaceful of places, that the reality other situation hits her the hardest. "All I've been saying since day one is I want answers," she says, "and now I don't know if I can handle the answers." 


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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 15, 2011, 02:18:27 PM
I believe there are 14 stations of the cross.  If Beth stopped at the 5th station, it represents when Simon Helps Jesus Carry His Cross.   ::MonkeyAngel::




THE STATIONS OF THE CROSS

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Exerpts


Pages 100: I rise and make my way up the hillside to the next cross and the next one and the next, repeating my prayers.

I am looking to the sky, which is growing bluer as dawn breaks, and talking to God.  And as I reach the fifth cross, the answer to these prayers comes.  Complete peace blankets me, and I am still.  It's a familiar feeling, yet unknown to me like this before now.  It comes in total stillness.  Silence. And in this instant I know that Natalee is with God.



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Post by: texasmom on January 15, 2011, 02:46:13 PM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/26539-fundador-di-canal-90-y-voz-di-aruba-albertico-arends-a-fayece.html

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_thumbs/b.175.125.16777215.0...images.stories.news.2011.januari.jan15.albertico.jpg)

fundador of canal 90 y voz of aruba albertico arends owing to fayece

saturday, 15 january 2011 14:56

saturday afternoon owing to enter the informe cu albert maximiliaan "albertico" arends owing to fayece. albertico is form part of the are of pioneronan of radio difusion here at aruba. the la arise voz of aruba on the near am y canal 90 on fm. enough year behind the yuinan did take the maneho daily paper of both emisora. albertico was conoci also for is one great carnavalista. both emisora saturday afternoon owing to bay for of air debi at luto. is desea the family, staf y personal compel in the momentonan dificil here cu the perdida.


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Post by: Blonde on January 15, 2011, 03:10:25 PM
This is the closest I could find
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/bethchurch.jpg)


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Post by: Tamikosmom on January 15, 2011, 03:33:34 PM
This is the closest I could find
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/bethchurch.jpg)

I have never before seen these pictures taken at the chapel.  I can see the anguish in Beth's face.  These images are keepers.

Janet


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Post by: Nut44x4 on January 15, 2011, 04:13:08 PM
 ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyTears:: can you even imagine..  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 15, 2011, 04:39:42 PM
::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyTears:: can you even imagine..  ::MonkeyNoNo::
::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyTears::


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Post by: kkthy on January 15, 2011, 04:59:06 PM
This is the closest I could find
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/bethchurch.jpg)

This picture and the one from People magazine breaks my heart.  You can see the helplessness of the situation on those pictures.


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Post by: Blonde on January 15, 2011, 06:42:49 PM
This is the closest I could find
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/bethchurch.jpg)

This picture and the one from People magazine breaks my heart.  You can see the helplessness of the situation on those pictures.

The one she used at the speech she was standing and you can feel her pain. I may email her and ask her for it that one broke my heart. It was when she came to realize Natalee was gone and now she had a much bigger quest.

http://www.executivespeakers.com/videoDetails.asp?speaker=Beth+Holloway&theSpeaker=1349


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Post by: carpe noctem on January 16, 2011, 12:51:31 AM
Beth Holloway: From Victim To Victor

A Tale Of Caution And Resiliency Presented To Waterford
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Beth Holloway poses with fan Angie Pelletieu.

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On May 25, 2005, one day after graduating from high school, 18-year-old Natalee Holloway was headed out the door for her senior trip. Her mother asked her if she had her sunscreen, passport and so on.

“At first, ‘yes, ma’am,’ then finally, ‘yes, Mom!” said Beth Holloway, recalling the words of her daughter, who had grown tired of the questioning.

So Beth backed off and watched her daughter get into a car headed to the airport. Natalee was off to Aruba with her classmates on a four-day excursion before getting ready to head to the University of Alabama on a full scholarship.

It would be the last time Beth Holloway would ever see her daughter.           

“After all I went through, I have every right to get in a hole and never get out,” Holloway said. “But I have chosen not to do that. We have choices on how to live our lives.”

On Thursday night in front of hundreds of people in the Waterford High School auditorium, Holloway told her story of pain and suffering, and her frustration at the Aruba police departments. More than five years after Natalee disappeared, the case remains unsolved.

On May 30, the last day of the senior trip, Natalee Holloway went to Carlos’n Charlie’s, a popular nightclub. There, Holloway met 17-year-old Joran van der Sloot, who reportedly bought her alcoholic drinks, including a shot of Bacardi 151, which has nearly twice the alcohol level of a normal shot.

Then, things become blurry. Holloway went into Van der Sloot’s car and then they engaged in sexual activities. It is not known if the sex was consensual. Everything after that is completely unknown, except one thing: Nobody has seen Natalee Holloway since.

Police Response

Once Beth Holloway received word later that day that her daughter had not arrived at the airport, panic struck.

“In that moment I got the call that all parents dread the minute our child is born,” Holloway said. “From that day, my life was changed forever.”

Holloway immediately flew to Aruba to search for her daughter. She contacted Aruban police, although soon realized they would be little help.

The police said to wait, that she would be returned home when the crack addicts who likely abducted her ran through her money, Holloway said. Police told her it was common for crack addicts to kidnap tourists, get them high on crack, steal their money and credit cards and then drop them back off at Carlos’n Charlie’s, Holloway said.

Refusing to just sit and wait, Holloway went on the offensive. She went to dozens upon dozens of crack houses looking for her daughter, only to find nothing.

Holloway soon heard of Van der Sloot, the last person to see Natalee Holloway alive. She confronted him, eager for details.

Van der Sloot said he had sex with Natalee Holloway, and then dropped her off at her hotel. Hotel security footage never showed Natalee Holloway return that night, Beth Holloway said.

Van der Sloot was eventually taken into custody by Aruban police, where he gave 22 different versions of what happened that night, Holloway said. Still, no search warrant was ever granted to search his home, and he was never formally charged with any crime.

Throughout this initial phase, Holloway did not shower, barely slept and hardly ate. After the original four days of constant searching for her daughter, and getting nowhere with police, Holloway began to break down mentally and physically.

“After being numb for so many days there was pain now, torturous pain,” she said. "I knew I had to find a place to pray.”

She tracked down a cab, which took her to a chapel. There, Holloway kneeled and begged for answers.

“I know in that moment, Natalee was with God,” Holloway said. “And I (was) in peace.”

Holloway would continue the search, and continues to this day. Nobody has ever been charged with any crime related to the disappearance, and Natalee’s body was never found.

Van der Sloot was charged with first-degree murder in Peru for allegedly killing Stephany Flores Ramírez on May 30, 2010, exactly five years after Natalee Holloway's disappearance.

Beth Holloway’s Mission

On Thursday, Beth Holloway did not speak to Waterford residents just to rehash the mystery surrounding her daughter’s disappearance. She also pushed for people to take care of themselves and have a plan of action when going anywhere, especially out of the country.

“Our children must know their personal safety is up to them,” Holloway said. “(Teenagers are) too old to be guarded by us, but too young not to be reminded that there are dangerous people and dangerous places.”

Holloway pushed her “360 full safety plan,” where teenagers should not just plan where they are going, but how they are getting home. She also started the Natalee Holloway Research Center at the National Museum of Crime & Punishment to aid families of missing persons and Mayday 360, a service that gives legal, political and police resources to Americans overseas.

The inspiration to keep working, and to keep telling her story is fueled by her daughter, Holloway said. If she can just make one person safer, make just one person more aware of problems that can happen, it is all worth it, Holloway said.

“Natalee had real hope,” she said. “The hope that filled her life, now fills mine.”

Waterford’s Role

The presentation was sponsored by the Waterford Justice League, a combination of Waterford Youth Services, Clark Lane Middle School and the Waterford Police Department to inform children about the dangers of drugs and weapons and to make police more accessible to the community. Overall, 19 middle school students entered the program, all on hand for Holloway’s presentation.

“I just thought it was amazing how somebody could talk about something like that,” said middle school student Alaina Milukas, a member of the league.

“It was very inspiring,” added her brother Matthew Milukas, also part of the league. “The will power to overcome something like that and turn it into a positive is really amazing.”

Clark Lane Principal Michael Lovetere, a father of two, was particularly touched by the presentation.

“My youngest daughter was the same age as Natalee, and I remember that whole summer (my wife and I) were glued to the television set,” Lovetere said. “We could really relate to it.”

Lovetere’s daughter was set to travel abroad to Italy for college, and from there she would often go to other European countries, he said. With the case going on, sleep was not easy to come by, he said.

“It just lets you know that it can happen to any of us,” he said. “It just makes you worried.”

If something did happen, the courage to get up and speak about it would be hard to come by, he said. If something happened to one of his daughters, it would probably be too much to handle, Lovetere said.

“I don’t know how you go on,” he said. “I have kids and I just don’t know how you can go on.”

What did you take from Beth Holloway's presentation? Tell us in the comments.


This was on of Beth friends

Beth looks beautiful and healthy, as she always does. I still want her to eat a sandwich, though. To maintain a good fighting weight. I worry about her more than
a Jewish muthaaaaa!!!! I lurve her. She is my hero(ine). ::HelloKitty:: ::MonkeyHeart::

A world with more Beth's and Monkeys is a good place to be.


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Post by: carpe noctem on January 16, 2011, 01:14:02 AM
The front page is giving a redirect notice back to go daddy. ::MonkeyConfused::

Just wanted Red to know - if he doesn't already.


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Post by: klaasend on January 16, 2011, 01:42:48 AM
The front page is giving a redirect notice back to go daddy. ::MonkeyConfused::

Just wanted Red to know - if he doesn't already.

Working for me now but I'll let them know anyway.  Thanks Carpe!


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Post by: texasmom on January 16, 2011, 03:29:32 AM
I don't think this was posted at the time. 

Renee Gielen and son Dolph, Anita, John Baselmans (aka Baseltje http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6197.200 )

 ::MonkeyRoll::

http://www.facebook.com/dvstapele?sk=wall

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/Social%20Pages/11222010_DolphVanStapele_FBwall_1.jpg)(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/Social%20Pages/11222010_DolphVanStapele_FBwall_2.jpg)

Google translation:

http://www.facebook.com/dvstapele?sk=wall

Dolph Van Stapele
Just throwing rumors in the world.

"Found jaw Aruba Natalee '- Region - bndestem
www.bndestem.nl
(link to the article referenced:  http://www.bndestem.nl/regio/7671388/Gevonden-kaak-Aruba-van-Natalee.ece )
CURAÇAO - The lower jaw that November 12 was found on Aruba Natalee Holloway, who disappeared in 2005 after a night out on the Caribbean island. Curacao reported that a radio producer on Twitter based on "an anonymous source." There is an official confirmation yet.
November 22, 2010 at 6:10 pm • Share
3 people like this.( Esseline Jacobus, Lou Jimmy Girigori, Anita Hugen)

Renée Gielen and there is also half bone found jaja
http://edition.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/
and while everyone is shocked by a bluff might twitter
November 22, 2010 at 6:50 pm

Anita Hugen Now the pieces fit together.
November 22, 2010 at 7:03 pm

Renée Gielen Yes, but then the pieces.
Peter is now not happy with the fun twitter
November 22, 2010 at 7:05 pm

Dolph Van Stapele I think I'm going to do on a Bodt ...
November 22, 2010 at 7:05 pm • 1 person liked this (Anita Hugen)

Rob Reusel It was nice for BN's voice (the newspaper of Brabant)
November 22, 2010 at 7:08 pm • 1 person liked this (Renée Gielen)

John Baselmans Dollph We know better. This case is very dirty and that organization is called di CID, does everything to make this slide into the shoes of Joran. Unfortunately, there is much information and not on the Internet and so many times I 'gebaned' because I was brought out. Female Natalee is found in South America to do some extra money to win. Good luck with your work.
November 23, 2010 at 12:04 pm * 2 people liked this (Anita Hugen and Renée Gielen)

*Renée Gielen @ John: I saw you have a comment on the trailer for my documentary. Weather increasing number of hits these days.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDvB5OOd79s
November 23, 2010 at 24:38 pm

John Baselmans Renee course because it's still ridiculous that these scammers ruining lives and do everything to collect large sums of money! Natalee is alive and we all know that CID but keep her away from everything and let us believe in but one of a murderer Joran! Even that last murder he did not because even if given as a weak rattle matter where I keep busy with several.
November 23, 2010 at 24:52 pm

* including the "erased" ones...hermanvandijk has posted over a hundred comments on that youtube page!   :2saywhaa:


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Post by: texasmom on January 16, 2011, 03:41:42 AM
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Case/Natalee-Home.gif)

************ IN 2011 ************
::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: klaasend on January 16, 2011, 10:06:09 AM
The front page is giving a redirect notice back to go daddy. ::MonkeyConfused::

Just wanted Red to know - if he doesn't already.

I am getting the problem now this morning too and so is Red.  Thanks for giving us the headsup.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 16, 2011, 01:09:53 PM
http://amigoenieuws.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1809:genezingsproces-patienten-dengue-krijgt-voorrang&catid=108:artikelen-aruba&Itemid=199

Google translation:

Healing dengue patients get priority

Saturday, January 15, 2011 6:55 p.m.

ORANGE CITY - Department of Public Health is currently focused in the fight against dengue mainly on the healing of dengue patients. The approach of breeding sites has less priority.
Health And according to this approach works. "We're in a dengue fever epidemic and we can not stop as long as it continues to rain. What we can stop, or at least try, is that people become seriously ill from dengue. Doctors are therefore since late last year aimed at patients who report to them, cases of dengue quickly recognize and forward it to the hospital. There they are treated so they will not be more ill with dengue or even death. "The Director of Department of Health, Ian, Derek Block, the numbers of dengue available until December and that during December there was an epidemic. How early January was that he does not know. "But it was colder and more windy. I can imagine that this is a positive effect on our approach to dengue. "

No checks
The dengue control team, especially along the houses, to control breeding and fines to force people to remove them is not currently active. That has to do with the choice to now mainly to treat patients. Fines are therefore not distributed. Block according to the regular inspections of the Yellow Fever Mosquito Control Department, however, continues. "But they make - yet - no fines." He expects that if the number of dengue cases decrease again, that the occurrence of breeding then more attention is given and the dengue audit then again on the move.

New head GKMB
The Yellow Fever Mosquito Control Service (GKMB) since January 1 has a new head: Roque Dirksz. He was "after a long search in the government" selected and is considered "very capable". Dirksz comes from Biblioteca Nacional. Health Department Director-Derek Ian Block recognizes it as a strange move can happen, but insists the experience Dirksz brings. "He has managerial experience, an HBO management background and - very important - experience in pest control and knowledge of mosquito control." Dirksz get to work with the National Dengue Plan, according to Blok in concept is ready and the Minister must be approved. The objective of this plan is that Aruba in 2012 as well as dengue-free. "The goal we have with the appointment of Dirksz can get," said Block. Dirksz has been commissioned this year to focus on training people to become special police officer, so they all checks as necessary to give a penalty. It is also the intention to train staff to raise awareness about dengue fever and mosquito control to show the bario programs and schools.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 16, 2011, 01:23:22 PM
http://amigoenieuws.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1752:dow-moet-projecten-kia-aan-rechter-overleggen&catid=108:artikelen-aruba&Itemid=199

Google translation:

(http://amigoenieuws.com/images/stories/14-01-2011/174392.jpg)

DOW KIA projects must submit to court

Friday, January 14, 2011 7:09 p.m.

ORANGE CITY - Department of Public Works (DOW) leading to a report Monday in the Court over its planned projects in the correction Institute Aruba (KIA). The judge asked this yesterday at the end of the treatment of the lawsuit that forty prisoners were brought against the country Aruba.
Iris Orman lawyer who represented the country during the case, said during the treatment that there is work scheduled for maintenance, repair and improvement of facilities of the prison. Some work has even started. It also said that the description of living conditions in jail as John Zara, the lawyer for the detainees, has given not beat reality. She showed pictures that were taken recently in prison. According to Zara are made behind the photographs in the women's KIA, in a better condition than the rest of the prison.

Detainees at present interim
Zara KIA had gotten to a delegation of five detainees at the treatment to live. Besides trafficking suspect Alex Mathew Stone and Roberto Life sat yesterday Alivio Boekhoudt, and Mario Francisco Geerman Maduro behalf of the detainees in the room. The detainees had filed the lawsuit because of the appalling conditions in prison. The entire cell block during the rainy season would suffer from flooding. Water flows inside the cells so that the floors stay wet and there is poor ventilation in the cells of nine square meters, which are usually shared by three inmates.
According to lawyer Zara, this involves a breach of the Treaty of Rome, including indicating that detainees not be tortured. According to counsel includes the living conditions under the name KIA torture. He told The Daily that the Treaty of Rome also has direct effect in the law in Aruba. "This Treaty shall enter into force as hard as any other private law of the island. The country is therefore acting illegally by the current situation in KIA maintain. "During the session Zara also pointed to the fact that the Monitoring Group on Prisons of Aruba a claim by his client Mathew and Natural Stone had declared valid. They complained about the flooding persists and the number of inmates per cell. The Commission has even sent a letter to Secretary Arthur Dower (AVP) of Justice and Education. The letter states that the problems in the prison only through substantial transformation "to solve. However, this would not necessarily occur in the short term, the commission said in its letter to the minister.

Through an employee leaves Iris Giel, acting chief Design and Planning at Dow, to know that this newspaper report on the work done this afternoon KIA. Monday at eleven o'clock in the morning, the report considered by the judge.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 16, 2011, 01:26:18 PM
http://amigoenieuws.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1751:advocaat-eist-vrijlating-joran&catid=108:artikelen-aruba&Itemid=199

Google translation:

Lawyer demands release Joran

Friday, January 14, 2011 7:06 p.m.

ORANGE CITY / LIMA - Joran van der Sloot's lawyer Máximo Altez demands release of his client because of errors in the judicial process. Although Joran now than six months on remand, he is still before the courts. The reason given is that no certified interpreter is available.
However, the Worldwide Altez says that this is no excuse. He mentions the fact that there is still no Dutch-Spanish interpreter is "an error of law system '. It is according to the lawyer being the responsibility of the judiciary to find the interpreter. An initiative of Altez to an interpreter using the Dutch embassy, came to nothing. Counsel referred this back to the Tribunal. The hearing must also within the statutory period of eighteen months of the detention place. Altez has no confidence that the hearing will take place within that time limit.

Joran is trapped in the heavily guarded Castro Castro prison in Lima, on suspicion of murder Stephany Flores on May 31 last year. The family of murdered Flores outrage at the demand of the lawyer. Through their lawyer, the family in the Peruvian media stated: "Throughout the process, he kept silent and coincidentally the statutory deadline gets closer, he suddenly wants a hearing. The absence of an interpreter is not the only reason why the hearing has not yet occurred. "What other reason would there be, is not reported.

Joran van der Sloot is still main suspect in the disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway in Aruba May 31 2005. Although the strong suspicion that Natalee is brought to life, for lack of evidence is Joran never charged in connection with this disappearance.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: kkthy on January 16, 2011, 01:56:58 PM
I've spent HOURs this morning reading and reading and reading the information here and only went back a few months.  I can't believe how hard everyone has worked at putting together all of the facts.  This site has a huge amount of information to help people to understand how the investigation was handled from day one.   I read my words and they don't express it strong enough.  I commend you all.    ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 16, 2011, 02:00:47 PM
http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=721

Saturday nite Jan. 15

(http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery/albums/2011/Sat15/Sat15%20%2821%29.JPG)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 16, 2011, 02:01:48 PM
I've spent HOURs this morning reading and reading and reading the information here and only went back a few months.  I can't believe how hard everyone has worked at putting together all of the facts.  This site has a huge amount of information to help people to understand how the investigation was handled from day one.   I read my words and they don't express it strong enough.  I commend you all.    ::MonkeyAngel::

Thanks kkthy!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 16, 2011, 02:10:17 PM
I've spent HOURs this morning reading and reading and reading the information here and only went back a few months.  I can't believe how hard everyone has worked at putting together all of the facts.  This site has a huge amount of information to help people to understand how the investigation was handled from day one.   I read my words and they don't express it strong enough.  I commend you all.    ::MonkeyAngel::

kkthy,

Most of us began reading and posting from the beginning on what is referred to the Front Page www.scaredmonkeys.com and then when they started this forum, we continued to post here and/or the FP.  Early on, there were a couple of system crashes due to heavy traffic and bandwidth issues.  Some info from the early years was lost, but most was retrievable and is here in the archives.  

Members have come and gone, but for the most part, the faithful have continued to post information pertinent to the case, people related to the case or Aruba, in general.  

fixed my typo


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: klaasend on January 16, 2011, 02:22:19 PM
http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=721

Saturday nite Jan. 15

(http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery/albums/2011/Sat15/Sat15%20%2821%29.JPG)



Filthy disgusting hands.  I can't believe a certain former SM member let him touch her. ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/2011Jan/SteveCroesHand.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: klaasend on January 16, 2011, 02:23:30 PM
I've spent HOURs this morning reading and reading and reading the information here and only went back a few months.  I can't believe how hard everyone has worked at putting together all of the facts.  This site has a huge amount of information to help people to understand how the investigation was handled from day one.   I read my words and they don't express it strong enough.  I commend you all.    ::MonkeyAngel::

kkthy,

Most of us began reading and posting from the beginning on what is referred to the Front Page www.scaredmonkeys.com and then when they started this forum, we continued to post here and/or the FP.  Early on, there were a couple of system crashes due to heavy traffic and bandwidth issues.  Some info from the early years was lost, but most was retrievable and is here in the archives. 

Members have come and gone, but for the most part, the faithful have continued to post information pertainent to the case, people related to the case or Aruba, in general. 



Yep, most of us have been on the case since June 2005.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: San on January 16, 2011, 02:29:40 PM
I could throw up when I see his hands.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 16, 2011, 02:33:16 PM
I could throw up when I see his hands.

Yeah, what is that on his knuckle...ringworm?  ugh.

Seeing him, period, is nauseating, imo.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 16, 2011, 02:38:48 PM
http://www.coolaruba.com/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=39

Fakkel Optocht 2011 8Jan Part3

(http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1655519&g2_serialNumber=3)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 16, 2011, 02:40:44 PM
http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=721

Saturday nite Jan. 15

(http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery/albums/2011/Sat15/Sat15%20%2821%29.JPG)



Filthy disgusting hands.  I can't believe a certain former SM member let him touch her. ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/2011Jan/SteveCroesHand.jpg)

Totally disgusting!   ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 16, 2011, 02:42:14 PM
I could throw up when I see his hands.

Yeah, what is that on his knuckle...ringworm?  ugh.

Seeing him, period, is nauseating, imo.

It looks like a huge wart, that is alive and well to me.  Sickening! 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: sharon on January 16, 2011, 03:20:02 PM
I could throw up when I see his hands.

Yeah, what is that on his knuckle...ringworm?  ugh.

Seeing him, period, is nauseating, imo.

My instant reaction as well.

Nauseating.

Not enough lysol in the world.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 16, 2011, 03:25:06 PM
http://www.coolaruba.com/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=39

Fakkel Optocht 2011 8Jan Part3

Rona Coster Kahan, Brianna Escobedo, Jennifer Coster

(http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1655066&g2_serialNumber=3)

Another one with some of Joran's friends and/or character witnesses

(http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1655024&g2_serialNumber=3)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 16, 2011, 03:32:42 PM
I could throw up when I see his hands.

Yeah, what is that on his knuckle...ringworm?  ugh.

Seeing him, period, is nauseating, imo.

My instant reaction as well.

Nauseating.

Not enough lysol in the world.



The thing is, we're just looking at the exterior (Gross!!)  I can't imagine what his mind would look like  ::MonkeyNoNo::  (Maximum Grossness!!)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: San on January 16, 2011, 04:35:56 PM
I could throw up when I see his hands.

Yeah, what is that on his knuckle...ringworm?  ugh.

Seeing him, period, is nauseating, imo.

It looks like a huge wart, that is alive and well to me.  Sickening! 

Do you mean the one between his shoulders   :pukel:


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 16, 2011, 04:45:52 PM
I could throw up when I see his hands.

Yeah, what is that on his knuckle...ringworm?  ugh.

Seeing him, period, is nauseating, imo.

It looks like a huge wart, that is alive and well to me.  Sickening! 

Do you mean the one between his shoulders   :pukel:

Yep, that one too!    :puker:


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 16, 2011, 05:07:22 PM
Steve Croes/Geoffrey van Cromvoirt - Somebody Needs to Connect the Dots

Aruba Authorities Detail Murder Suspicions
Friday, June 24, 2005


Joran van der Sloot (search) and his friends Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are being held under suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

A fourth man, party boat DJ Steve Croes, is being held under the same conditions.

The fifth man, Paul van der Sloot (search) — the father of 17-year-old Joran — was being held on suspicion of complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping. Under the Aruban system, complicity is a lesser charge.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160654,00.html


Did New Holloway Suspect Know Natalee?
Wednesday, April 19, 2006

 
GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: John, what I heard a little bit earlier today from someone I spoke to in Aruba is that the lawyer for "G.V.C." is also the lawyer — it's a woman — who represented Steve Croes, who is the man who came forward with the false alibi to the police which supported lie number one of Deepak, Satish and Joran.  Do you know anything about the lawyer representing both Steve Croes and now "G.V.C."?

JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: I know that's the situation. It's a woman, and that is the person who represented Croes and would be representing this individual now. And actually, Ms. Janssen, when I talked to her today, she was just getting ready to turn over the dossier to "G.V.C.'s" attorney for review before they did go into court.

VAN SUSTEREN: Now, Steve Croes, John — it was sort of a curious thing. He came forward seemingly out of the blue and said that he witnessed Deepak, Satish and Joran dropping Natalee off at the Holiday Inn and stumbling, and then two security guards coming up. That was a complete lie that he sort of volunteered, went to the police. He was taken into custody. He was then released.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,192309,00.html

 
Did New Holloway Suspect Know Natalee?
Wednesday, April 19, 2006


GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Then it's bizarre that this lawyer would represent both Steve Croes and GVC because at least here in the United States, I think most lawyers would say that there is a potential for conflict of interest and a lawyer shouldn't be representing both.

JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: I think that's right.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,192309,00.html


Transcript: Stunning Development in Holloway Case
Tuesday, April 18, 2006


BETH TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: .... And when I think of Joran van der Sloot and when I think of Steven Croes and I think of this new suspect ( and the lies that were coming out early, very early, the moment we arrived on the island, if we find out that these three suspects are acquaintances or know each other — somebody needs to connect the dots. I mean, there certainly is a reason why Steven Croes came forward early on and stated, lied to the authorities that he had seen the two security guards taking Natalee. You know, people don't just do that for no reason, Greta. Somebody needs to connect the dots on those three ...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,192141,00.html



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 16, 2011, 05:25:26 PM
Serious/Strong Suspicions?

Aruba Authorities Detail Murder Suspicions
Friday, June 24, 2005


Joran van der Sloot (search) and his friends Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are being held under suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

A fourth man, party boat DJ Steve Croes, is being held under the same conditions.

The fifth man, Paul van der Sloot (search) — the father of 17-year-old Joran — was being held on suspicion of complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping. Under the Aruban system, complicity is a lesser charge.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160654,00.html

 
NANCY GRACE
Aired July 14, 2005 - 20:00   ET


ARLENE ELLIS-SCHIPPER, ARUBAN ATTORNEY: There is no grand jury in Aruba. It`s a different system.  You are arrested based on suspicion, on strong suspicion.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/14/ng.01.html


Suspects in teen’s disappearance held after hearing
updated 6/9/2005 4:42:19 AM ET


Under Aruban law, only serious suspicion from investigators — not solid evidence — is needed for a judge to rule that suspects can be held, (Noraina) Pietersz said.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8079019/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 16, 2011, 06:34:12 PM
I could throw up when I see his hands.

Yeah, what is that on his knuckle...ringworm?  ugh.

Seeing him, period, is nauseating, imo.

It looks like a huge wart, that is alive and well to me.  Sickening! 

Do you mean the one between his shoulders   :pukel:

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 16, 2011, 08:46:04 PM
STEVE CROES

Model Employee

NANCY GRACE
Aired June 17, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET


GRACE: Karl, do we know if there was a special party booked that Sunday night that she went missing?

PENHAUL: We don`t have that answer yet. We are looking into that to see what the boat`s movements were. We do know from the owner, Marcus Williams (sic), that Steve Croes did have a key to the boat. But the owner also tells us that the boat has a special electronic security system on it and he doesn`t believe that Steve Croes would have been able to take the boat without his permission. And he has described Steve Croes as a model employee.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/17/ng.01.html


Fired

NANCY GRACE
Aired June 29, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET


GRACE: So you heard a Kalpoe brother on the phone at an Internet cafe cooking up this story. And you told the cops, right?

S. CROES: Yes.

GRACE: Now, when you were behind bars, how did you convince the cops that you didn`t have anything to do with it, that you overheard it?

S. CROES: Well, I just start talking everything the truth, like where I was that day, the day I had, like, a night shift on the boat, like as a watchman. So I was sleeping on the boat. And, yes, that I wasn`t even there.

GRACE: Is it true that you have been fired from your job over this whole thing?

S. CROES: Yes. Yesterday during the afternoon I had, like, this meeting with my ex-boss and his lawyer, and they told me that I was fired.

GRACE: Steve, while you were behind bars, did you speak to or overhear Van Der Sloot or the Kalpoe brothers talking?

S. CROES: No, I didn`t -- I don`t even know these guys. The only thing that I know is what I heard, that this guy talking on the phone. But I don`t know these guys. They don`t know me.

During my confrontations with the cops with these guys, they also admitted that they don`t know me. So I just put myself in trouble without knowing anything. So it was like a stupid mistake that I did.

GRACE: Steve, when you overheard the Kalpoe brother talking on, I guess, the cell phone at the Internet cafe, was it Deepak or Satish Kalpoe?

S. CROES: Deepak, Deepak, yes.

GRACE: OK. What was it exactly that he was saying, that you overheard?

S. CROES: Just the story that they dropped the girl at the hotel. The girl fell from the car, and they tried to help her to go back into the lobby, and that was the story.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/29/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 16, 2011, 09:37:33 PM
Steve Croes - According to Deepak Kalpoe


Deepak Kalpoe - Suspect Statement - June 9, 2005

I have to inform you that I was contacted a few days ago by a boy named Steve. Steve said to me that he saw us on May 30th 2005 when we dropped the girl off in the nightly hours. Steve's phone number is REMOVED.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=213.0


Deepak Kalpoe - Suspect Statement - June 12, 2005

You are telling me that I made a statement about a Steve yesterday and now you are asking me who Steve is. Steve is a customer who comes to my place of work to internet.

To your question as to what exactly Steve had told me, I can state the following. I was talking to someone on the phone about what had happened and when I hung up the phone Steve said to me that I should not worry because he had seen us dropping off the girl at the hotel, he even saw that she had fallen down and that Joran had helped her up.

To your question as to where Steve was to have been able to see to see all of this, I can state the following. I didn't ask him where he was in order to have seen all of this. He also told me that he had not been into work that day. He instead had been at "Carlos & Charlies" and because of that he was in two minds about going to the police because he feared loosing his job.

To your question as to how I got hold of his mobile phone number, I can state the following. I had asked him for his number and had told him that I would give it to the police if I would get into trouble so that they could call him.

To your question as to how it is possible that I state that Steve was not sure whether he should go to the police or not because he was afraid to loose his job, but that on the night in question, he did go to a public place like "Carlos & Charlies" and on top of that gave me his phone number so that he now can be sent for to testify, I can state the following. You should ask him.

To your question whether Steve knows Joran, I can state the following. Steve does not know Joran.

To your question whether Steve knows my brother, I can state the following.

To your question whether I have spoken to my brother about Steve, I can state the following. I have spoken to everybody about Steve, with my mother, Satish, Joran and Joran's parents.

To your question whether I gave all of them Steve's mobile phone number, I can state the following. No, I kept the number to myself.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=215.0


Deepak Kalpoe - Suspect Statement - June 16, 2005

To your question whether I can explain how Steve got his story, I can say the following. I know that he overheard me on the phone at work, telling the story to someone. After he had heard he came to me with the story. I know it is impossible that he saw us, because we were never at the "Holiday Inn". If you ask him detailed questions, he can make no other statement.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=185.0


Steve Croes - According to Satish Kalpoe

Satish Kalpoe - Suspect Statement - June 10, 2005

I do remember now that my brother had told me. Last week Friday my brother told me that the man Steve had seen us when we dropped off Natalee Holloway that night at the Holiday Inn Hotel. My brother Deepak told me that Steve had said to him that he had seen us. I myself do not know Steve. My brother thinks that Steve works at Digicel. I don't personally know Steve. I have never seen Steve. According to my brother Steve had told him that he had dropped off people at the Holiday Inn on Monday May 30th at approximately 01.45 hours. My brother has also told me that Steve was also in Carlos & Charlies that night. My brother also told me that Steve also had seen us coming out of Carlos & Charlies with the girl Natalee. On that particular day it was going from a Sunday to a Monday and it wasn't busy at that moment in time. The traffic wasn't busy either at that moment in time. It was approximately 01.15 hours when we came out of Carlos & Charlies. When we were leaving Carlos & Charlies we immediately walked towards the car. I think that the girl briefly talked to her friends that were standing in front of Carlos & Charlies. Joran was with her and I think he too briefly waited for her. According to my brother Steve was supposed to work that night and he had quietly slipped out to go to Carlos & Charlies. My brother did not tell to me in what kind of car Steve drives. My brother also told me that Steve had also seen that the girl Natalee had fallen down from the car and that Joran had gone to help her get up. According to me Steve had told my brother that he was dropping off tourists at the Holiday Inn Hotel that night. I did not ask my brother what kind of car Steve drives and he also did not tell me that.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=216.0


Satish Kalpoe - Suspect Statement - June 11, 2005

Two weeks ago my brother came home from work in the afternoon it was approximately 16.00 hours. My brother came to my room. He told me that during the day, while he was working, a boy had come up to him named Steve and that he had told him that he had seen us dropping off the girl at the Holiday Inn. My brother had told me that Steve could tell in detail how he had seen us leave Carlos & Charlies and had seen us later at the Holiday Inn. Steve supposedly also saw how the girl had fallen down and how our long friend had helped the girl get back to her feet. My brother had told me that this guy Steve had given him his phone-number, just in case he had to go to the police and give a statement as a witness.

According to my brother this guy Steve told him that he was supposed to go to work that day, but that he didn't go to work.

My brother had told me that he had seen Steve before, but that he hadn't known his name.

I asked my brother how that was possible because we didn't drop off the girl at the Holiday Inn.

To your question as to what I think the story of this Steve is all about, I can state the following. My brother and me both thought it was strange. I cannot give any explanation for it.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=186.0


Steve Croes - According to Joran

Face to Face with Steve Croes and Joran - June 18, 2005


We, Johny Melvis ERASMUS and Shaniro Baldrik KELLY, respectively agent first class and sergeant at the Korps police force Aruba and at the section district II, explains the following:

On 18 June 2005, the S.G.C.J Croes faced suspect around 17:35, a closed meeting with the suspect Joran was faced.

The suspected S.G.C.J Croes explained:

-   That he does not know the suspected J.A.P.van der Sloot

-   That he had never seen the suspect J.A.P. van der Sloot ever before in his life.

The suspect J.A.P. van der Sloot explained

-   That he did not know S.G.C.J. Croes

-   That suspect J.A.P. van der Sloot had never seen the suspect S.G.C.J. Croes ever before in his life.


Of what our, ERASMUS and KELLY on oath of office made up warrant, and has been signed at Oranjestad on June 18, 2005 and has been closed.

Signed,


J.M. ERASMUS                             S.B. KELLY

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=248.0










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Post by: kkthy on January 16, 2011, 10:25:20 PM
I've spent HOURs this morning reading and reading and reading the information here and only went back a few months.  I can't believe how hard everyone has worked at putting together all of the facts.  This site has a huge amount of information to help people to understand how the investigation was handled from day one.   I read my words and they don't express it strong enough.  I commend you all.    ::MonkeyAngel::

kkthy,

Most of us began reading and posting from the beginning on what is referred to the Front Page www.scaredmonkeys.com and then when they started this forum, we continued to post here and/or the FP.  Early on, there were a couple of system crashes due to heavy traffic and bandwidth issues.  Some info from the early years was lost, but most was retrievable and is here in the archives.  

Members have come and gone, but for the most part, the faithful have continued to post information pertinent to the case, people related to the case or Aruba, in general.  

fixed my typo

Well, it is clear that all of your work is of great benefit to educate readers and for keeping Natalee's story alive.  Beth seemed so happy that Natalee came to mind right away when the jawbone was found and her efforts along with this site with all of the detailed information is what has kept Natalee's story alive.    I still have a LOT of reading to do to catch up.


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Post by: Tamikosmom on January 16, 2011, 11:14:06 PM
kkthy

In a nutshell each of Dave and Beth's respective books provide a great foundational knowledge  of the Natalee Holloway story.  Ongoing research will not seem so overwhelming.

Janet

++++++

ARUBA: THE TRAGIC UNTOLD STORY OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY AND CORRUPTION IN PARADISE
By Dave Holloway

Publisher: Thomas Nelson Publishers-Business (Mar 15 2006)
Language: English
ISBN-10: 1595550631
ISBN-13: 978-1595550637


LOVING NATALEE
A MOTHER'S TESTAMENT OF HOPE AND FAITH

By Beth Holloway

ISBN: 9780061452277
ISBN10: 0061452270
Imprint: HarperOne
On Sale: 10/2/2007


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Kermit on January 16, 2011, 11:21:02 PM
kkthy

In a nutshell each of Dave and Beth's respective books provide a great foundational knowledge  of the Natalee Holloway story.  Ongoing research will not seem so overwhelming.

Janet

++++++

ARUBA: THE TRAGIC UNTOLD STORY OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY AND CORRUPTION IN PARADISE
By Dave Holloway

Publisher: Thomas Nelson Publishers-Business (Mar 15 2006)
Language: English
ISBN-10: 1595550631
ISBN-13: 978-1595550637


LOVING NATALEE
A MOTHER'S TESTAMENT OF HOPE AND FAITH

By Beth Holloway

ISBN: 9780061452277
ISBN10: 0061452270
Imprint: HarperOne
On Sale: 10/2/2007


This is another good place to read:

http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/2007/10/in-face-of-evil-may-30-2005.html



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Kermit on January 16, 2011, 11:22:08 PM
Beth Holloway: From Victim To Victor

A Tale Of Caution And Resiliency Presented To Waterford
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Beth Holloway poses with fan Angie Pelletieu.

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On May 25, 2005, one day after graduating from high school, 18-year-old Natalee Holloway was headed out the door for her senior trip. Her mother asked her if she had her sunscreen, passport and so on.

“At first, ‘yes, ma’am,’ then finally, ‘yes, Mom!” said Beth Holloway, recalling the words of her daughter, who had grown tired of the questioning.

So Beth backed off and watched her daughter get into a car headed to the airport. Natalee was off to Aruba with her classmates on a four-day excursion before getting ready to head to the University of Alabama on a full scholarship.

It would be the last time Beth Holloway would ever see her daughter.          

“After all I went through, I have every right to get in a hole and never get out,” Holloway said. “But I have chosen not to do that. We have choices on how to live our lives.”

On Thursday night in front of hundreds of people in the Waterford High School auditorium, Holloway told her story of pain and suffering, and her frustration at the Aruba police departments. More than five years after Natalee disappeared, the case remains unsolved.

On May 30, the last day of the senior trip, Natalee Holloway went to Carlos’n Charlie’s, a popular nightclub. There, Holloway met 17-year-old Joran van der Sloot, who reportedly bought her alcoholic drinks, including a shot of Bacardi 151, which has nearly twice the alcohol level of a normal shot.

Then, things become blurry. Holloway went into Van der Sloot’s car and then they engaged in sexual activities. It is not known if the sex was consensual. Everything after that is completely unknown, except one thing: Nobody has seen Natalee Holloway since.

Police Response

Once Beth Holloway received word later that day that her daughter had not arrived at the airport, panic struck.

“In that moment I got the call that all parents dread the minute our child is born,” Holloway said. “From that day, my life was changed forever.”

Holloway immediately flew to Aruba to search for her daughter. She contacted Aruban police, although soon realized they would be little help.

The police said to wait, that she would be returned home when the crack addicts who likely abducted her ran through her money, Holloway said. Police told her it was common for crack addicts to kidnap tourists, get them high on crack, steal their money and credit cards and then drop them back off at Carlos’n Charlie’s, Holloway said.

Refusing to just sit and wait, Holloway went on the offensive. She went to dozens upon dozens of crack houses looking for her daughter, only to find nothing.

Holloway soon heard of Van der Sloot, the last person to see Natalee Holloway alive. She confronted him, eager for details.

Van der Sloot said he had sex with Natalee Holloway, and then dropped her off at her hotel. Hotel security footage never showed Natalee Holloway return that night, Beth Holloway said.

Van der Sloot was eventually taken into custody by Aruban police, where he gave 22 different versions of what happened that night, Holloway said. Still, no search warrant was ever granted to search his home, and he was never formally charged with any crime.

Throughout this initial phase, Holloway did not shower, barely slept and hardly ate. After the original four days of constant searching for her daughter, and getting nowhere with police, Holloway began to break down mentally and physically.

“After being numb for so many days there was pain now, torturous pain,” she said. "I knew I had to find a place to pray.”

She tracked down a cab, which took her to a chapel. There, Holloway kneeled and begged for answers.

“I know in that moment, Natalee was with God,” Holloway said. “And I (was) in peace.”

Holloway would continue the search, and continues to this day. Nobody has ever been charged with any crime related to the disappearance, and Natalee’s body was never found.

Van der Sloot was charged with first-degree murder in Peru for allegedly killing Stephany Flores Ramírez on May 30, 2010, exactly five years after Natalee Holloway's disappearance.

Beth Holloway’s Mission

On Thursday, Beth Holloway did not speak to Waterford residents just to rehash the mystery surrounding her daughter’s disappearance. She also pushed for people to take care of themselves and have a plan of action when going anywhere, especially out of the country.

“Our children must know their personal safety is up to them,” Holloway said. “(Teenagers are) too old to be guarded by us, but too young not to be reminded that there are dangerous people and dangerous places.”

Holloway pushed her “360 full safety plan,” where teenagers should not just plan where they are going, but how they are getting home. She also started the Natalee Holloway Research Center at the National Museum of Crime & Punishment to aid families of missing persons and Mayday 360, a service that gives legal, political and police resources to Americans overseas.

The inspiration to keep working, and to keep telling her story is fueled by her daughter, Holloway said. If she can just make one person safer, make just one person more aware of problems that can happen, it is all worth it, Holloway said.

“Natalee had real hope,” she said. “The hope that filled her life, now fills mine.”

Waterford’s Role

The presentation was sponsored by the Waterford Justice League, a combination of Waterford Youth Services, Clark Lane Middle School and the Waterford Police Department to inform children about the dangers of drugs and weapons and to make police more accessible to the community. Overall, 19 middle school students entered the program, all on hand for Holloway’s presentation.

“I just thought it was amazing how somebody could talk about something like that,” said middle school student Alaina Milukas, a member of the league.

“It was very inspiring,” added her brother Matthew Milukas, also part of the league. “The will power to overcome something like that and turn it into a positive is really amazing.”

Clark Lane Principal Michael Lovetere, a father of two, was particularly touched by the presentation.

“My youngest daughter was the same age as Natalee, and I remember that whole summer (my wife and I) were glued to the television set,” Lovetere said. “We could really relate to it.”

Lovetere’s daughter was set to travel abroad to Italy for college, and from there she would often go to other European countries, he said. With the case going on, sleep was not easy to come by, he said.

“It just lets you know that it can happen to any of us,” he said. “It just makes you worried.”

If something did happen, the courage to get up and speak about it would be hard to come by, he said. If something happened to one of his daughters, it would probably be too much to handle, Lovetere said.

“I don’t know how you go on,” he said. “I have kids and I just don’t know how you can go on.”

What did you take from Beth Holloway's presentation? Tell us in the comments.


This was on of Beth friends

I'm happy you got to meet her in person Blonde.


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Post by: Kermit on January 16, 2011, 11:24:46 PM
http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=721

Saturday nite Jan. 15

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Filthy disgusting hands.  I can't believe a certain former SM member let him touch her. ::MonkeyCool::

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 17, 2011, 12:22:10 AM
Steve Croes - According to Joran van der Sloot

Transcript: Joran van der Sloot Goes 'On the Record,' Part 2
Friday, March 03, 2006


VAN SUSTEREN: Coming up, another arrest was made in the Holloway case but party boat DJ Steve Croes was he an innocent bystander or was he part of a conspiracy?

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

VAN DER SLOOT: I don't know the guy. I've never met him before.

VAN SUSTEREN: You don't know this guy?

VAN DER SLOOT: I don't know this guy and I never talked to him before in my life.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,186707,00.html


Transcript: Joran van der Sloot Goes 'On the Record,' Part 2
Friday, March 03, 2006


VAN SUSTEREN: Three weeks into the Natalee Holloway investigation the two innocent security guards had been arrested and then released. Joran van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers were in jail.

Then came a new development. Police arrested an Aruban DJ who worked on the party boat Tattoo. We sat down with Joran van der Sloot and asked him about Steve Croes.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you know the DJ for the Tattoo, the party boat?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, that's another thing that, you know, we talked about that I wanted to talk to you about too. I mean that's — like I even feel, I feel horrible for too. I mean he was just trying — trying to help. I don't know the guy. I've never met him before.

VAN SUSTEREN: You don't know this guy?

VAN DER SLOOT: I don't know this guy and I never talked to him before in my life.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you know if Deepak knows him?

VAN DER SLOOT: I don't know if Deepak knew him. All that happened this one day he called me and he said, you know, "I got the jackpot" and I was like "Yes, what happened?" He's like, "Oh, don't worry. I'm going to come — I'm going to come to your house and tell you."

And then he came to me and he said that someone had come up to him and said that he saw us, that he'd seen us drop the girl off at the Holiday Inn and that he would — and that, yes, if there was anything he'd testify to that to police. That's what Deepak told me. So, I was like, you know, OK. That's great.

VAN SUSTEREN: So, Deepak was adding to the lie essentially coming up with a corroboration of the lie, the Holiday Inn's lie.

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, you know, he talked to the — I don't know what - - I wasn't there when he talked to Steve Croes. I don't know what went along with him but, you know, he just talked to Deepak and he came, yes, and that Steve Croes ended up saying that he saw us dropping Natalee off at the Holiday Inn. And they talked for — I mean they held him for ten days too. I mean that's — that's not — that's not fun to be in jail at all. They talked to him for ten days.

VAN SUSTEREN: But he had — but he had lied. I mean they caught him in that lie.

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, and then by that time we changed our declaration already. I mean, I mean he lied, yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: So, I take it that Deepak told you that between May 30th and June 9th...

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: ...told you the story about the Tattoo boat. Did you ask him how he knew the guy?

VAN DER SLOOT: No, he told me he didn't know the guy.

VAN SUSTEREN: The guy just spontaneously came up to him?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, at work. That's what he told me. The guy (INAUDIBLE) came up to him at work and told him that.

VAN SUSTEREN: I assume you thought that was odd.

VAN DER SLOOT: I don't know. I don't know. I mean I don't know if that's true or not. I never met the guy before.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,186707,00.html


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Post by: texasmom on January 17, 2011, 09:20:42 AM
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JUSTICE FOR NATALEE AND STEPHANY!
 ::MonkeyJustice::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Blonde on January 17, 2011, 09:23:00 AM
Beth Holloway, International Travel Safety

Date: Tuesday, February 22, 2011


Featured Conference Speakers
Included among the schedule of diverse and experienced speakers at this national conference are Beth Holloway, mother of missing Natalee Holloway; Dr. Emily Craig, Forensic Anthropologist for the Kentucky State Medical Examiner's Office; Sgt. Jon Mattsen, Detective for Investigative Services at the King County Sheriff's Office in Seattle, Washington; and Dr. Daniel & Gil Harrington, parents of Morgan Harrington. Read these speakers' full biographies below or view the Draft Agenda under the Quick Links section to the right for more topics and scheduled speakers.

http://www.fvtc.edu/public/content.aspx?ID=1238&PID=81



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Post by: texasmom on January 17, 2011, 09:27:41 AM
http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1017/Buitenlands-voetbal/article/detail/562626/2011/01/11/Aankoop-in-Peru-krijgt-meteen-bijnaam-Joran.dhtml

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: kkthy on January 17, 2011, 09:40:49 AM
kkthy

In a nutshell each of Dave and Beth's respective books provide a great foundational knowledge  of the Natalee Holloway story.  Ongoing research will not seem so overwhelming.

Janet

++++++

ARUBA: THE TRAGIC UNTOLD STORY OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY AND CORRUPTION IN PARADISE
By Dave Holloway

Publisher: Thomas Nelson Publishers-Business (Mar 15 2006)
Language: English
ISBN-10: 1595550631
ISBN-13: 978-1595550637


LOVING NATALEE
A MOTHER'S TESTAMENT OF HOPE AND FAITH

By Beth Holloway

ISBN: 9780061452277
ISBN10: 0061452270
Imprint: HarperOne
On Sale: 10/2/2007


This is another good place to read:

http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/2007/10/in-face-of-evil-may-30-2005.html



Tamikosmom & Kermit,
Thank you for the reminder.  I remember someone posting the names of the books a month or so ago.  I printed it but never ordered the books.  I just ordered the two books via amazon.com this morning.  :)  I bookmarked the link that Kermit posted (freebirds) too.  Thank for the info.

I tried to peek in here earlier today bit the site was down for some reason.  I'm glad it's back up and running.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: kkthy on January 17, 2011, 10:00:31 AM
Beth Holloway, International Travel Safety

Date: Tuesday, February 22, 2011


Featured Conference Speakers
Included among the schedule of diverse and experienced speakers at this national conference are Beth Holloway, mother of missing Natalee Holloway; Dr. Emily Craig, Forensic Anthropologist for the Kentucky State Medical Examiner's Office; Sgt. Jon Mattsen, Detective for Investigative Services at the King County Sheriff's Office in Seattle, Washington; and Dr. Daniel & Gil Harrington, parents of Morgan Harrington. Read these speakers' full biographies below or view the Draft Agenda under the Quick Links section to the right for more topics and scheduled speakers.

http://www.fvtc.edu/public/content.aspx?ID=1238&PID=81



I'm not sure if I was reading it right but it sounds like there is something going on at the Fox Valley Tech College AND at the Radisson Paper Valley Hotel.... both in Appleton, Wisconsin.  If anyone lives in that area, this sounds very interesting.  Blonde, thanks for posting that info!


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Post by: texasmom on January 17, 2011, 10:01:23 AM
Beth Holloway, International Travel Safety

Date: Tuesday, February 22, 2011


Featured Conference Speakers
Included among the schedule of diverse and experienced speakers at this national conference are Beth Holloway, mother of missing Natalee Holloway; Dr. Emily Craig, Forensic Anthropologist for the Kentucky State Medical Examiner's Office; Sgt. Jon Mattsen, Detective for Investigative Services at the King County Sheriff's Office in Seattle, Washington; and Dr. Daniel & Gil Harrington, parents of Morgan Harrington. Read these speakers' full biographies below or view the Draft Agenda under the Quick Links section to the right for more topics and scheduled speakers.

http://www.fvtc.edu/public/content.aspx?ID=1238&PID=81



http://www.fvtc.edu/public/content.aspx?ID=1238&PID=81

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http://www.fvtc.edu/public/content.aspx?ID=1238&PID=117

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Post by: texasmom on January 17, 2011, 10:06:16 AM
I'm working on bringing the brochure over, may take a little while. 

I wish I could go to this!   ::MonkeyCool:: ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: kkthy on January 17, 2011, 10:07:14 AM
http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1017/Buitenlands-voetbal/article/detail/562626/2011/01/11/Aankoop-in-Peru-krijgt-meteen-bijnaam-Joran.dhtml

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http://www.funx.nl/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=12196:voetballer-krijgt-bijnaam-joran-in-peru&catid=125:sport&Itemid=423

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That poor guy!  To have the media and fans comparing him to Joran is horrible.      ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Blonde on January 17, 2011, 10:42:36 AM
Beth Holloway, International Travel Safety
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Date: Tuesday, February 22, 2011


Featured Conference Speakers
Included among the schedule of diverse and experienced speakers at this national conference are Beth Holloway, mother of missing Natalee Holloway; Dr. Emily Craig, Forensic Anthropologist for the Kentucky State Medical Examiner's Office; Sgt. Jon Mattsen, Detective for Investigative Services at the King County Sheriff's Office in Seattle, Washington; and Dr. Daniel & Gil Harrington, parents of Morgan Harrington. Read these speakers' full biographies below or view the Draft Agenda under the Quick Links section to the right for more topics and scheduled speakers.

http://www.fvtc.edu/public/content.aspx?ID=1238&PID=81




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 17, 2011, 11:02:33 AM
http://www.fvtc.edu/public/itemattach.aspx?type=page&id=32507

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agenda at-a-glance
Agenda times and content are subject to change.

Tuesday, February 22, 2011

10:30 am – 4:00 pm Registration and Information
Desk Open
Noon – 4:00 pm Exhibits Open
1:00 pm – 1:30 pm Opening Session and
Welcoming Remarks
1:30 pm – 1:45 pm Office of Juvenile Justice and
Delinquency Prevention:
A Perspective on Missing
Children’s Issues
1:45 pm – 2:45 pm Many Reasons for Hope
3:00 pm – 4:00 pm A Mother’s Search to Find Her
Daughter: The Holloway
Story
4:00 pm Dinner and Evening
(on your own)
7:00 pm – 8:00 pm Community Presentation

Lessons Learned: A Mother’s Story of Her Missing Daughter
February 22, 2011 | 7 – 8 pm | Fox Valley Technical College in Room A170 A-D
Beth Holloway’s presentation will focus on the memory and legacy of Natalee, with a strong message on lessons learned in personal safety when traveling internationally.
Her address is free and open to the public. For more information, contact (888) 370-1752 or visit www.fvtc.edu/missing

Wednesday, February 23, 2011
8:00 am – 5:00 pm Information Desk and
Exhibits Open
8:30 am – 8:45 am Mayor’s Address
8:45 am – 9:45 am Deploying the Resources:
The Federal Efforts of the
National Institute of Justice
10:00 am – 11:15 am Tough Love: Identifying and
Repatriating Deceased
Victims
11:15 am – 11:30 am Recognition of Conference
Scholarship Awards
11:30 am – 1:00 pm Lunch (on your own)
1:00 pm – 3:00 pm The Green River Killer
Investigation
3:15 pm – 4:45 pm INTERPOL-United States
National Central Bureau
(USNCB)
4:45 pm – 5:00 pm Review of Day 2
5:00 pm Dinner and Evening
(on your own)
5:00 pm – 6:00 pm Database
Demonstration/Registration
with NamUs

Thursday, February 24, 2011
7:30 am – 4:00 pm Information Desk Open
8:00 am – 1:30 pm Exhibits Open
8:00 am – 8:15 am Conference Updates
8:15 am – 9:15 am The Disappearance of
Morgan Harrington
9:30 am – 10:45 am How, When, Who, Where –
Legal Considerations for
Investigating a Missing
Person’s Case
11:00 am – 12:15 pm 1A Issues that Impede
Missing and Unidentified
Persons’ Investigations
1B Vicarious Trauma and Self
Care
12:15 pm – 1:30 pm Lunch (on your own)
1:30 pm – 2:45 pm 2A Framing a Missing Person
Investigation
2B Cold Case Investigations
2C Using the Internet to
Locate Missing Persons
2D Working Together for
Positive Solutions
3:00 pm – 3:45 pm Catalysts For Caring:
What Did We Learn From
Each Other?
3:45 pm – 4:00 pm Closing Comments

Quote
Answering the call to identify deceased persons is of utmost importance, not only in assisting in solving unsolved cases, but helping families to come to some resolution to the tragedy that has occurred. Each of us has an obligation, but also the honor to provide the best possible service we can to those who cannot speak for themselves. Speak for them, learn all you can and set upon the task of doing this valuable work.”
P. Michael Murphy, MBA, DBA, Coroner
Clark County, NV

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participant comments:

This is the best conference of its type
in the United States!
• What a great experience! As a new analyst
in the field of missing and unidentified
persons, I am going home with additional
tools to use and access.
• I have attended many conferences related to
missing persons over the last several years.
This conference is one of the best I have
ever attended! I find that hearing from the
families of the missing is the most valuable.
As law enforcement, we have to help be the
voice of the missing.
• It was helpful to hear about methods used by
other agencies to search for and identify
missing persons.
• Law enforcement was provided excellent
resources to contact for assistance in
investigations.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 17, 2011, 11:09:05 AM
http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1017/Buitenlands-voetbal/article/detail/562626/2011/01/11/Aankoop-in-Peru-krijgt-meteen-bijnaam-Joran.dhtml

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http://www.funx.nl/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=12196:voetballer-krijgt-bijnaam-joran-in-peru&catid=125:sport&Itemid=423

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That poor guy!  To have the media and fans comparing him to Joran is horrible.      ::MonkeyEek::

My sentiments exactly.   

I also figure Joran is letting his hair grow some more and trying to get his hands on a "pink" SBA jersey!  That will be his next escape plan.
 
::MonkeyNoNo::


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Post by: texasmom on January 17, 2011, 11:28:24 AM
 ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.fvtc.edu/public/content.aspx?ID=1238&PID=104

Sponsorship & Donation Opportunities

February 22-24, 2011 | Appleton, Wisconsin
Sponsor and/or attend the Responding to Missing & Unidentified Persons National Conference
The annual Responding to Missing & Unidentified Persons National Conference has proven to be an invaluable training opportunity for law enforcement, state clearinghouse staff, forensic personnel, families of the missing, and others involved in investigating missing persons and solving unidentified remains cases. Unfortunately many organizations have limited funds allocated for training events and key personnel are unable to attend. Based on numerous requests from past conference participants, the Responding to Missing Persons National Training Conference Financial Assistance Fund has been established. Donations made to this fund will assist those who would not otherwise be able to attend the conference by covering registration fees, lodging, and/or travel costs.

Sponsor/Donate to a Conference Attendee
Would you like to honor a missing loved one or pay tribute to someone who has passed on? Your support and generosity will continue to make a profound impact on achieving the conference goals to educate participants regarding the protocols for responding to missing persons and solving unidentified remains cases. Donations may be made in any amount. You have the opportunity to specify the type(s) of attendee(s) you would like to be awarded with your funding, as well as to contribute in honor/memory of an individual. For more information regarding sponsorship, contact Fox Valley Technical College toll free at (888) 370-1752 or submit a Financial Assistance Sponsorship Form by Monday, January 31, 2011.

Apply for Financial Assistance to Attend the Conference
The Office for Victims of Crime Training and Technical Assistance Center (OVC/TTAC) has awarded funding to FVTC to assist family members of missing persons that would like to attend the 2011 conference. Your involvement in the conference is key to sustaining this important collaborative training opportunity. For more information regarding financial assistance eligibility and criteria, contact Fox Valley Technical College toll free at (888) 370-1752 or submit a Financial Assistance Request Form by Friday, December 31, 2010.

For questions about the conference, sponsorship, and/or financial assistance options, contact Barbara Nelson (phone: 888-370-1752.)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 17, 2011, 11:48:58 AM
http://www.themorningnewsaruba.com/

1/14/2011 Front Page

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::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 17, 2011, 11:52:34 AM
Beth Holloway, International Travel Safety
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Date: Tuesday, February 22, 2011


Featured Conference Speakers
Included among the schedule of diverse and experienced speakers at this national conference are Beth Holloway, mother of missing Natalee Holloway; Dr. Emily Craig, Forensic Anthropologist for the Kentucky State Medical Examiner's Office; Sgt. Jon Mattsen, Detective for Investigative Services at the King County Sheriff's Office in Seattle, Washington; and Dr. Daniel & Gil Harrington, parents of Morgan Harrington. Read these speakers' full biographies below or view the Draft Agenda under the Quick Links section to the right for more topics and scheduled speakers.

http://www.fvtc.edu/public/content.aspx?ID=1238&PID=81



Thanks Blonde

Beth is on a 40 year mission.  If Aruba thinks for one minute the the fortitude of Beth Holloway will fade with time ... think again.  This amazing woman ... this determined mother ... is on a 40 year mission.

Janet

++++++

The Voice of Natalee

'Scarborough Country' for Oct. 24th
updated 7:06 a.m. PT, Tues., Oct. 25, 2005


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: ... I have told Prime Minister Oduber that I will do this, I will be the voice of Natalee for the next 40 years.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9813596


My Pledge

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway.

Page 200:
  My child.  My beautiful daughter.  I can't save her.  It's too late.  Natalee is gone. And second to the great tragedy of losing her is if we fail to learn from what has happened.  I could be any parent in the world.  And no parent should ever go through this experience.  Natalee could be anyone's daughter.  And in these thoughts a new path is made clear.  There is something I can do.  Many people reached out to us, and I can now reach back to them.  It might be too late to save Natalee, but it's not too late to save others.  And it's time now to make good on my pledge to stand before high-school and college students, law enforcement professinals, victims' rights groups, travelers of all ages, and anyone interested in personal safety to share Natalee's story and our hard lessons, so that others might learn from them.



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Post by: Tamikosmom on January 17, 2011, 12:11:50 PM
Beth gets it!  She comprehends perfectly.

Janet

+++++

The Forces against Justice for Natalee

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 158:
  Not long after the "criminals speech," some Arubans back off their prayer vigils for Natalee.  A few protest in the streets against the barage of negative media.  We've worn out our welcom at the Holiday Inn.  And they let us know they've had it.  The Aruba Tourism Authority (ATA), the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association (AHATA), the Aruba Trade and Industry Association and a scattering of island officials establish the Strategic Communications Task Force to combat the negative media.  And to combat us.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 17, 2011, 12:47:08 PM
http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1017/Buitenlands-voetbal/article/detail/562626/2011/01/11/Aankoop-in-Peru-krijgt-meteen-bijnaam-Joran.dhtml

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http://www.funx.nl/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=12196:voetballer-krijgt-bijnaam-joran-in-peru&catid=125:sport&Itemid=423

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That poor guy!  To have the media and fans comparing him to Joran is horrible.      ::MonkeyEek::

My 27 year old son's lifelong friend is the image of Joran.  He is 6' 4" and cannot purchase shoes to fit him in our area.  He is forced to cross the line to a specialty store in Bellingham, Washington.  The hair style and the beard must be "the look".  However ... unlike Joran ... this guy is has a heart of gold and ... is going to be a Daddy in March.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 17, 2011, 01:07:28 PM
Beth Holloway, International Travel Safety
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Date: Tuesday, February 22, 2011


Featured Conference Speakers
Included among the schedule of diverse and experienced speakers at this national conference are Beth Holloway, mother of missing Natalee Holloway; Dr. Emily Craig, Forensic Anthropologist for the Kentucky State Medical Examiner's Office; Sgt. Jon Mattsen, Detective for Investigative Services at the King County Sheriff's Office in Seattle, Washington; and Dr. Daniel & Gil Harrington, parents of Morgan Harrington. Read these speakers' full biographies below or view the Draft Agenda under the Quick Links section to the right for more topics and scheduled speakers.

http://www.fvtc.edu/public/content.aspx?ID=1238&PID=81


::MonkeyConfused::

The picture doesn't go with that link, right? 




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 17, 2011, 02:01:13 PM
http://www.themorningnewsaruba.com/

1/14/2011 Page 3

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: kkthy on January 17, 2011, 02:52:50 PM
http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1017/Buitenlands-voetbal/article/detail/562626/2011/01/11/Aankoop-in-Peru-krijgt-meteen-bijnaam-Joran.dhtml

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/01112011_ADnl_Joran.jpg)

http://www.funx.nl/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=12196:voetballer-krijgt-bijnaam-joran-in-peru&catid=125:sport&Itemid=423

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/01112011_FunX_Joran.jpg)

That poor guy!  To have the media and fans comparing him to Joran is horrible.      ::MonkeyEek::

My 27 year old son's lifelong friend is the image of Joran.  He is 6' 4" and cannot purchase shoes to fit him in our area.  He is forced to cross the line to a specialty store in Bellingham, Washington.  The hair style and the beard must be "the look".  However ... unlike Joran ... this guy is has a heart of gold and ... is going to be a Daddy in March.

Janet

Tamikosmom,
Congrat's to your son's friend becoming Daddy! :) To me, becoming a parent has to be the most amazing honor.

As far as Joran is concerned... Joran's heart is missing and in it's place is a black hole of darkness. :(


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: kkthy on January 17, 2011, 02:56:50 PM
I'm not sure who to ask this question.  I have been playing around in my profile and trying change some settings.  I was successful in adding a picture so I'm happy about that.  I went to one area that talked about "notify" and "Messages".  I can't figure out how to use the notify button and can't find it to click on it.  I also can't find how to do messages.  Am I not seeing something, or is that a feature that I just don't have permissions to do?  I had today off so spent more time trying to figure all of this out.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 17, 2011, 03:30:50 PM

That poor guy!  To have the media and fans comparing him to Joran is horrible.      ::MonkeyEek::

My 27 year old son's lifelong friend is the image of Joran.  He is 6' 4" and cannot purchase shoes to fit him in our area.  He is forced to cross the line to a specialty store in Bellingham, Washington.  The hair style and the beard must be "the look".  However ... unlike Joran ... this guy is has a heart of gold and ... is going to be a Daddy in March.

Janet

Tamikosmom,
Congrat's to your son's friend becoming Daddy! :) To me, becoming a parent has to be the most amazing honor.

As far as Joran is concerned... Joran's heart is missing and in it's place is a black hole of darkness. :(

My son's friend and lovely wife will make great parents.  This guy has spent many hours in my hubby's workshop in the past two months refinishing a maple chest of drawers that has been in his family for generations.

You are right.  Joran does not possess a conscience ... a heart.  It is sad.  This young man was raised to believe that the legal and moral boundaries that define a civilized society do not apply to him.  He has never learned that not respecting those boundaries ... there are consequences ... there is accountability.  The adults in his life failed Joran big time.

Janet

++++


THE REST OF THE NIGHT WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for April 3
updated 8:24 a.m. PT, Tues., April. 4, 2006


JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: Well, if you look at the surveillance video footage, it appears that he’s the one sitting directly next to her and tries to engage her in conversation a couple of times.  And it’s sort of ironic that it’s his father who brought his underage son to a casino and left him there after he left, with access to his line of credit, to put this unfortunate chain of events in process.

You know, if Joran had never been there, not been allowed in there, because he’s underage and wasn’t accompanied by his father, the whole rest of the night wouldn’t have happened.

COSBY: You know, and, John, also, why would that be a significant—why is that in conflict to something else we’ve heard maybe from Paulus before?

KELLY: Well, he’s just claiming that, you know, he’s kept an eye on his son, you know, he’s kept him on a short leash, and, you know, his son is very well-behaved. And it turns out that he’s, you know, got him at casinos.  If you’re under 18, you’re not legally even allowed in casinos[, so his son was breaking the law with him enabling it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12150698/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 17, 2011, 03:34:35 PM
I'm not sure who to ask this question.  I have been playing around in my profile and trying change some settings.  I was successful in adding a picture so I'm happy about that.  I went to one area that talked about "notify" and "Messages".  I can't figure out how to use the notify button and can't find it to click on it.  I also can't find how to do messages.  Am I not seeing something, or is that a feature that I just don't have permissions to do?  I had today off so spent more time trying to figure all of this out.

Klaas and/or Mods will be able to answer you queries best.  I know there is no private messaging or editing options available to Monkeys.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 17, 2011, 03:36:52 PM
I'm not sure who to ask this question.  I have been playing around in my profile and trying change some settings.  I was successful in adding a picture so I'm happy about that.  I went to one area that talked about "notify" and "Messages".  I can't figure out how to use the notify button and can't find it to click on it.  I also can't find how to do messages.  Am I not seeing something, or is that a feature that I just don't have permissions to do?  I had today off so spent more time trying to figure all of this out.

kkthy,

PMs or Private Messages are disabled by the Administration.  Early on, PMs were found to be troublesome, therefore, they are not used.  Editing your posts is also disabled for the same reason. 

There is a button at the bottom of each post that says Report to Moderator.  If you have a problem or question about a particular post, this can be used.  Admins & Moderators will get notification and you will get a reply.  Usually, that will be Klaasend.

I'm sorry you spent so much time trying to figure out the notify and message functions.

If I've omitted anything, I am sure another Mod or Klaasend will correct me.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: kkthy on January 17, 2011, 03:45:30 PM
I'm not sure who to ask this question.  I have been playing around in my profile and trying change some settings.  I was successful in adding a picture so I'm happy about that.  I went to one area that talked about "notify" and "Messages".  I can't figure out how to use the notify button and can't find it to click on it.  I also can't find how to do messages.  Am I not seeing something, or is that a feature that I just don't have permissions to do?  I had today off so spent more time trying to figure all of this out.

kkthy,

PMs or Private Messages are disabled by the Administration.  Early on, PMs were found to be troublesome, therefore, they are not used.  Editing your posts is also disabled for the same reason. 

There is a button at the bottom of each post that says Report to Moderator.  If you have a problem or question about a particular post, this can be used.  Admins & Moderators will get notification and you will get a reply.  Usually, that will be Klaasend.

I'm sorry you spent so much time trying to figure out the notify and message functions.

If I've omitted anything, I am sure another Mod or Klaasend will correct me.

2NJSons_Mom,
Thank you for the response.  I thought that I was just not looking in the right place.  I will stop looking for those features.    I had forgotten to ask about the signatures.  Is there a signature field that I am not seeing?  That is one last thing that I wondered about.  Thanks again for your help.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 17, 2011, 03:51:52 PM
I'm not sure who to ask this question.  I have been playing around in my profile and trying change some settings.  I was successful in adding a picture so I'm happy about that.  I went to one area that talked about "notify" and "Messages".  I can't figure out how to use the notify button and can't find it to click on it.  I also can't find how to do messages.  Am I not seeing something, or is that a feature that I just don't have permissions to do?  I had today off so spent more time trying to figure all of this out.

kkthy,

PMs or Private Messages are disabled by the Administration.  Early on, PMs were found to be troublesome, therefore, they are not used.  Editing your posts is also disabled for the same reason. 

There is a button at the bottom of each post that says Report to Moderator.  If you have a problem or question about a particular post, this can be used.  Admins & Moderators will get notification and you will get a reply.  Usually, that will be Klaasend.

I'm sorry you spent so much time trying to figure out the notify and message functions.

If I've omitted anything, I am sure another Mod or Klaasend will correct me.

2NJSons_Mom,
Thank you for the response.  I thought that I was just not looking in the right place.  I will stop looking for those features.    I had forgotten to ask about the signatures.  Is there a signature field that I am not seeing?  That is one last thing that I wondered about.  Thanks again for your help.

Signature field can be found by going to Modify Profile - Profile layout and (drawing blank & I just checked it).  That's where you can enter a quote or image and it will show as in my post at the bottom.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: klaasend on January 17, 2011, 03:57:09 PM
kkthy - yeah some features have been disabled.  For instance, back in 2005 we learned that the PM feature could cause more trouble than it was worth and we disabled it way back then.  I would say in general that if you can't seem to figure out why you can't get something to work it's likely been disabled. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: kkthy on January 17, 2011, 08:23:14 PM
kkthy - yeah some features have been disabled.  For instance, back in 2005 we learned that the PM feature could cause more trouble than it was worth and we disabled it way back then.  I would say in general that if you can't seem to figure out why you can't get something to work it's likely been disabled. 


2NJSons_Mom & klaasend,
Thank you for your help.  I finally found the signature field.  It was in plain sight!  I think I found everything that I was looking for today with your help.  I can only imagine that the system may be overloaded with PM's and auto notifications in place.  I understand why some features were disabled.  Have a good evening everyone.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Helen Back on January 17, 2011, 09:57:27 PM
Hey everyone,

Just swinging by for daily news and the front page is a re-direct to godaddy again.   ::MonkeyShocked::Thought Red would want to know. 

Take care monkeys.  Justice for Natalee and Stephany!  ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 17, 2011, 10:08:03 PM
http://www.arubatoday.com/

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Van der Sloot should be free pending trial
Local News
Saturday, 15 January 2011

Joran van der Sloot's Peruvian lawyer says authorities there should formally interrogate his client...or set him free.
The Dutchman has been imprisoned In Peru's Castro Castro prison for nine months on charges he killed 21 year old student Stephanie Flores.  Her body was found in van der Sloot's Lima hotel room. Although he later said he confessed under duress and false promises to be returned to his country, he told Peruvian authorities he killed Flores when she found material relating to Natalee Holloway on his laptop computer.

Holloway disappeared on a 2005 trip to Aruba with classmates from Mountain Brook High School.  She was last seen leaving a nightclub with van der Sloot.  He was questioned several times by Aruban authorities but never charged in her disappearance.  Flores body was found in van der Sloot's hotel room five years to the day of Natalee's disappearance.
Van der Shoot has since appealed to have his confession thrown out claiming police irregularities, coercion and the lack of a qualified Dutch language translator.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 17, 2011, 10:31:02 PM
ARUBA

The Truth is like the tide washing ashore.


You can always count on it time after time after time!


TICK_TOCK

ONE AT A TIME

WHEN WILL IT BE YOURS?



::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 17, 2011, 10:41:35 PM
Just a couple reminders, since most of the recent articles have stretched the length of Joran's incarceration in Castro, Castro...and the one I just posted incorrectly stated that Stephany's body was found in Joran's hotel room "five years to the day of Natalee's disappearance".

Joran has been in Castro Castro for seven months.

Although Joran confessed to murdering Stephany on May 30th, the fifth anniversary of Natalee's disappearance; her body was not found until June 2nd.

http://peru21.pe/noticia/488737/holandes-seria-asesino-sthefany-flores

Google translation:

9:07 NEWS | Mi. 02 JUN '10

A Dutchman would be the murderer of Sthefany Flores

All points to Joran van der Sloot (22) as the perpetrator of the daughter of Ricardo Flores racer. The alien has a history.

Comments (122)

A young Dutchman would have been the murderer of Sthefany Tatiana Flores Ramirez (21), who disappeared on Friday and was found dead this morning at the Miraflores hotel Tac . The family of the deceased said that Joran van der Sloot (22) was the last person who was with her before her death.

"She left her friends at their homes in San Isidro in the morning. At 5:16 she left the casino with Mr Van der Sloot, is not the first murder he committed. Him and fled, "said Ricardo Flores, father of the deceased.

The employer also argued that the alleged murderer left the country on Monday, May 31 land due to Chile. His fate would be Argentina, since May 13 arrived in Peru from the country.

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http://www.daylife.com/photo/0deZ3tL4Qz0hg?q=Joran+van+der+Sloot

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AP PHOTO 7 MONTHS AGO
In this photo taken June 11, 2010 and obtained by The Associated Press via Peru's America Television channel, Dutch citizen Joran van der Sloot holds his inmate number before been transferred to the Miguel Castro Castro prison in Lima. Peruvian police said Van der Sloot, long suspected in the 2005 disappearance of U.S. teen Natalee Holloway, has confessed to killing 21-year-old Peruvian business student Stephany Flores on May 30, after they met playing poker. The photo was broadcast during America TV's show "Domingo al Dia", on Sunday, June 13, 2010.

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/01/14/report-joran-van-der-sloots-lawyer-wants-him-released/

snipped

Van der Sloot, a longtime suspect in the 2005 disappearance in Aruba of Holloway, has been in police custody since June. He is accused of the May 30 slaying of Stephany Flores, a Peruvian business student who was found dead in van der Sloot's hotel room in Lima on June 2. Van der Sloot has been charged with first-degree murder and robbery in the case.

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 17, 2011, 10:43:52 PM
Hey everyone,

Just swinging by for daily news and the front page is a re-direct to godaddy again.   ::MonkeyShocked::Thought Red would want to know. 

Take care monkeys.  Justice for Natalee and Stephany!  ::MonkeyGavel::


Great to see you Helen Back!   ::HelloKitty::

You take care too!   ::MonkeyCool::


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Post by: crazybabyborg on January 17, 2011, 10:49:42 PM
You tell 'em, TM!! Keep them honest!   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 17, 2011, 11:13:15 PM
Another reminder...Joran chooses to discuss his case with De Telegraaf and refuses to speak to the Judge.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/joran-van-der-sloot-tricked-signing-murder-confession/story?id=10968585

Joran van der Sloot Defiantly Won't Talk to Peru Judge
Accused Killer Now Says He Was Tricked into Falsely Confessing to Murder

121 comments By JOHN QUINONES and MARK MOONEY
June 21, 2010

Murder suspect Joran van der Sloot refused to speak to a Peruvian judge today who travled to the Lima prison to grill the Dutch playboy about the murder of Stephany Flores.

(http://a.abcnews.com/images/GMA/abc_joran_van_der_sloot_100621_mn.jpg)
Joran van der Sloot is now claiming that he was tricked into a signing a confession that he killed Peruvian woman Stephany Flores and says that he will "explain later" what really happened.
(ABC News)

Van der Sloot's refusal to cooperate came after he told a Dutch newspaper that he was tricked into signing a confession that he killed Flores.

Out of concern for van der Sloot's safety, Superior Court Judge Carlos Morales went to the prison to take a statement from the 22-year-old murder suspect rather than bringing van der Sloot to court.

But when Morales appeared, van der Sloot defiantly refused to cooperate. Before he makes any statement, he wants his confession thrown out of court.


Van der Sloot's lawyer Maximo Altez, told the Associated Press the confession isn't valid because the defense lawyer present when Van der Sloot made it was state-appointed.

Van der Sloot is accused of murdering Flores, 21, on May 30 and is the prime suspect in the disappearance of American teen Natalee Holloway in Aruba five years ago.

Van der Sloot is arguing that he didn't realize he was signing a murder confession, which was written in Spanish. Van der Sloot speaks some Spanish.

"During the interrogations I was very frightened and confused, and I wanted to leave," van der Sloot told the Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf in the notorious Castro Castro jail in Lima, Peru.

"'If you sign these papers you will be extradited to the Netherlands,' they were telling me all the time. In my blind panic I then signed everything, but I did not even know what was written down," he told the newspaper.

When asked about the murder of Flores, van der Sloot replied, "I have been framed. What happened exactly, I will explain later."

He also complained to the newspaper that he has to share his prison cellblock with a Colombian murderer, a corrupt Peruvian general and rats that creep into his cell through the toilet at night.

In the alleged confession, van der Sloot is quoted as saying he met Flores at a Lima casino and they were playing poker in his room when an email popped up on his computer linking him to the Holloway case.

He claims Flores became upset and struck him. Enraged, van der Sloot allegedly smashed her in the nose with his elbow. Blood gushed out and she nearly fainted from the blow, the confession states. He then grabbed her by the throat and banged her head against the wall, the confession says. He finally used his shirt to smother her, according to the reputed confession.

As ABC News reported at the time of his arrest, van der Sloot appeared confused before signing some police documents. He even asked his interrogatiors, "This only says I understand what my rights are, correct?"


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Post by: Keepthefaith on January 17, 2011, 11:15:44 PM
When asked about the murder of Flores, van der Sloot replied, "I have been framed. What happened exactly, I will explain later."


 ::MonkeyNoNo::

We're still waiting for him and his papa to explain what happen to Natalee Holloway!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: klaasend on January 17, 2011, 11:42:23 PM
Hey everyone,

Just swinging by for daily news and the front page is a re-direct to godaddy again.   ::MonkeyShocked::Thought Red would want to know. 

Take care monkeys.  Justice for Natalee and Stephany!  ::MonkeyGavel::


Hi Helen - try clearing your cookies, it shouldn't still be happening.


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Post by: Tamikosmom on January 17, 2011, 11:43:04 PM
THE STEPHANY FLORES CASE

I Will Tell You Later

De Telegraaf Interview - June 20, 2010


In the interview Joran Van der Sloot claims that he was scared and confused during his interrogation and that he wanted to leave. "If you sign these papers you will be extradited to the Netherlands..." Van der Sloot said he was told by Peruvian authorities. "In my blind panic I signed everything, but I didn't know what it all said."

"I was tricked into it," said Van der Sloot about the killing of Stephany Flores.

"How exactly all this happened, I will tell you later."

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/5507588/joran_van_der_sloot_to_dutch_reporter.html


THE NATALEE HOLLOWAY CASE

One Day I Will Explain

A Current Affair Interview - September 26, 2005


Reporter: Well, I think if you can explain to people what really happened, and you were really forthcoming, the more forthcoming you are, the more chance there will be for you to get on with your life.
 
Joran van der Sloot: One day, I will explain exactly what happened, but, right now, I don’t feel ready to do that

http://scrux.com/natalee/joranunedited.htm



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 17, 2011, 11:57:13 PM
When asked about the murder of Flores, van der Sloot replied, "I have been framed. What happened exactly, I will explain later."


 ::MonkeyNoNo::

We're still waiting for him and his papa to explain what happen to Natalee Holloway!

Considering that there's a video record of the coming and goings in the room the night Stephany was murdered, I'd almost like to hear the verbal gymnastics Joran would put to this one. He's wrapped himself up tightly with Stephany's murder. I'm just waiting for Peru to put a bow on him and hang him from a high tree.


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Post by: texasmom on January 18, 2011, 12:49:10 AM
Prayer request:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=21.msg1291806#msg1291806


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Post by: texasmom on January 18, 2011, 02:08:22 AM
http://www.peterrdevries.nl/nieuws/advocaat-eist-vrijlating-joran/

Friday, January 14, 2011, 3:05 p.m. hours
News

Lawyer demands release Joran van der Sloot

(http://www.peterrdevries.nl/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Tatiana-Flores-Stephanie-Ra.jpg)
Stephany Flores

The lawyer of Joran van der Sloot demands release of his client because he has still not been heard by a judge. This Friday, the Peruvian counsel informed the World Service.

According to lawyer Máximo Altez Joran had long been put through the mill should be in connection with the murder of 21-year-old Stephany Flores. The lawyer does not believe that the hearing is yet to take place within the statutory period of eighteen months.

Joran is not even nine months in custody. The official reason for the absence of an interrogation is that no certified interpreter is available. The lawyer is the fault of the legal system that no Dutch-Spanish translator. He says that he himself can do nothing because the defense did not about.

The father of Stephany, Ricardo Flores, responding to the Worldwide outrage on the claim by the lawyer of Van der Sloot. "If the killer so far nothing to say, how dare he ask to be released today?"

Peter is in turn not impressed by the release request. "In my opinion this is the famous advocatengekrakeel. It seems to me pretty premature, I really do not think this will lead to liberation. It's been a been quiet about Joran, apparently the weather was just time to pull the bell. "

Last Updated: Friday, January 14, 2011, 15:41 hours



advocatengekrakeel=lawyers squabbling?

that's what I came up with in google translation with the word divided like this

advocaten gekrakeel


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 18, 2011, 02:11:42 AM
http://www.peterrdevries.nl/nieuws/advocaat-eist-vrijlating-joran/

Friday, January 14, 2011, 3:05 p.m. hours
News

(http://www.peterrdevries.nl/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/joran-545x306.jpg)

Lawyer demands release Joran van der Sloot

(http://www.peterrdevries.nl/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Tatiana-Flores-Stephanie-Ra.jpg)
Stephany Flores

The lawyer of Joran van der Sloot demands release of his client because he has still not been heard by a judge. This Friday, the Peruvian counsel informed the World Service.

According to lawyer Máximo Altez Joran had long been put through the mill should be in connection with the murder of 21-year-old Stephany Flores. The lawyer does not believe that the hearing is yet to take place within the statutory period of eighteen months.

Joran is not even nine months in custody. The official reason for the absence of an interrogation is that no certified interpreter is available. The lawyer is the fault of the legal system that no Dutch-Spanish translator. He says that he himself can do nothing because the defense did not about.

The father of Stephany, Ricardo Flores, responding to the Worldwide outrage on the claim by the lawyer of Van der Sloot. "If the killer so far nothing to say, how dare he ask to be released today?"

Peter is in turn not impressed by the release request. "In my opinion this is the famous advocatengekrakeel. It seems to me pretty premature, I really do not think this will lead to liberation. It's been a been quiet about Joran, apparently the weather was just time to pull the bell. "

Last Updated: Friday, January 14, 2011, 15:41 hours


advocatengekrakeel=lawyers squabbling?

that's what I came up with in google translation with the word divided like this

advocaten gekrakeel

self edit to add picture


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 18, 2011, 02:20:00 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_kjjkik_1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE AND STEPHANY!
 ::MonkeyJustice::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: can on January 18, 2011, 08:37:53 AM
When asked about the murder of Flores, van der Sloot replied, "I have been framed. What happened exactly, I will explain later."


 ::MonkeyNoNo::

We're still waiting for him and his papa to explain what happen to Natalee Holloway!

It sickens me to read his words - so similar to the antics he has displayed over five years with Natalee.
It's not going to work for him this time! 
Come on Peru...get the ball rolling!!!  Justice for Stefany!



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Blonde on January 18, 2011, 09:33:47 AM
Beth Holloway, International Travel Safety
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Beth%20%20Dave%20%20Family/bethspeakong.jpg)
Date: Tuesday, February 22, 2011


Featured Conference Speakers
Included among the schedule of diverse and experienced speakers at this national conference are Beth Holloway, mother of missing Natalee Holloway; Dr. Emily Craig, Forensic Anthropologist for the Kentucky State Medical Examiner's Office; Sgt. Jon Mattsen, Detective for Investigative Services at the King County Sheriff's Office in Seattle, Washington; and Dr. Daniel & Gil Harrington, parents of Morgan Harrington. Read these speakers' full biographies below or view the Draft Agenda under the Quick Links section to the right for more topics and scheduled speakers.

http://www.fvtc.edu/public/content.aspx?ID=1238&PID=81


::MonkeyConfused::

The picture doesn't go with that link, right? 





No, I took that picture with my cell phone and added it to that sorry


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: klaasend on January 18, 2011, 11:12:16 AM
Looks like Alex Matthews wife Lillian gave an interview:

http://www.24ora.com/corte-mainmenu-29/26612-liliana-mathew-ta-reacciona-ariba-expresionnan-hasi.html

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_thumbs/b.175.125.16777215.0...images.stories.news.2011.januari.jan18.alex.jpg)

Liliana Mathew: Ta reacciona ariba expresionnan hasi    Print    E-mail
Tuesday, 18 January 2011 10:56


Liliana Mathew ta casa di Alex Mathew kende ta sera den KIA e momentonan aki. Durante entrevista pafor di corte e no a aprecia cierto expression haci. E expression cu no por spera KIA como five star hotel ta un di e aspectonan cu Liliana Mathew a reacciona riba dje..


Through translator:

liliana mathew: is reacciona upstairs expresionnan make
tuesday, 18 january 2011 10:56

 liliana mathew is casa of alex mathew that is close in kia the momentonan here. during interview abroad of corte the not owing to aprecia cierto expression haci. the expression cu not can wait for kia because; five star hotel is one of the aspectonan cu liliana mathew owing to reacciona on dje.. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on January 18, 2011, 01:03:49 PM
http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1017/Buitenlands-voetbal/article/detail/562626/2011/01/11/Aankoop-in-Peru-krijgt-meteen-bijnaam-Joran.dhtml

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/01112011_ADnl_Joran.jpg)

http://www.funx.nl/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=12196:voetballer-krijgt-bijnaam-joran-in-peru&catid=125:sport&Itemid=423

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/01112011_FunX_Joran.jpg)



 Fee; sorry for the other dude. IMO.. I do not think they look alike at all.. I even put my glasses on.. nope.. still can't see it !


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 18, 2011, 02:53:17 PM
http://www.srpressgazette.com/news/milton-12136-vanished-holloway.html

Crime show visits Milton
January 18, 2011 12:39 PM

Bill Gamblin

A new, yet-to-be launched TV series has been in Milton working on a story to appear on the Lifetime Channel in late February or early March.

Vanished, a one-hour show, hosted by Beth Holloway, the mother of missing Alabama teen Natalie Holloway, will focus on the two sisters assaulted and stabbed by Warfield Raymond Wike in 1988.

According to one of Vanished’s producers, Matt Sprouse, the hour long show will each week feature two unsolved cases and one case that has been solved.

“We are featuring a solved case to help give those who are watching the show or those connected to the cases we are featuring some hope,” Sprouse said.

Holloway, who is the mother of Natalie Holloway, the young Alabama girl who turned up missing during a school trip to Aruba, will not be in Milton while the show is working on the story of the two girls stabbed by their mother’s boyfriend.

“We might come back and do interviews or bring the people to where Beth is to be interviewed,” Sprouse said.


According to the Sept. 26, 1988 edition of the Press Gazette, Wike was arrested and charged with murder, attempted murder, kidnapping, and sexual battery of two sisters taken from their Pensacola apartment on Sept. 21.

At the time of the abduction Wike was the ex-boyfriend of Patricia Rivazfar, who was 28 at the time. Her daughters were Sarah, age six, and Sayeh, age eight.

According to reports at the time of the incident Sayeh “played dead” after having her throat cut and being stabbed in the chest.

She managed to walk along a road near the Allentown landfill until she was found around 6:30 a.m. on the morning of Sept. 22 of that year.

She had been sexually molested according to authorities and was found about 250 yards from the scene of the crime,

Her six year old sister, Sarah, was found with her throat slashed and her hands bound behind her according to reports.

Wike died of natural causes while in jail on July 6, 2004. He had been sentenced to death on Jan. 11, 1993 and then again to death a second time on Sept. 18, 1995.

He was sentenced to death in the first trial on July 13, 1989 but the sentencing was reversed due to an error in the penalty phase of the case.

Sayeh Rivazfar is currently working in New York as a State Trooper according to Sprouse. Sprouse said she has told him this event in her life led her to go into law enforcement so she could help others.

 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 18, 2011, 03:15:15 PM
I saw the father of Sarah and Sayeh on a recent special edition of JVM.  Listening to him tell the story was heartbreaking, I cried like a baby.   :smt022

Even after all the years since the crimes against his daughters, his pain was still so evident.

If anyone's interested, the link to that part of the show is here:

http://www.cnnstudentnews.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1011/04/ijvm.01.html



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: klaasend on January 18, 2011, 08:50:10 PM
DON'T MISS THE DANA PRETZER SHOW AT 9PM ET TONIGHT!


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/2011Jan/Pretzer011811.jpg)

Clink on the link below just before 9pm ET to listen live:

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/radio.m3u


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 19, 2011, 12:37:42 AM
Keepthefaith, pinetucky, yuknomenot  ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 19, 2011, 12:41:09 AM
Keepthefaith, pinetucky, yuknomenot  ::monkeywine2::

 ::MonkeyBike:: ::MonkeyBike:: ::MonkeyBike:: ::MonkeyBike:: ::MonkeyBike:: ::MonkeyBike::

It's been awhile since I forgot to take my crazy pill and started to have some fun..........

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 19, 2011, 12:58:08 AM
Ribbit! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 19, 2011, 01:13:43 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY & STEPHANY FLORES

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH


::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: billb's daughter on January 19, 2011, 01:27:00 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY & STEPHANY FLORES

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH


::MonkeyAngel::
Nice to see you posting Keepthefaith..... ::MonkeyAngel::
I still read every night....seldom post......
But Justice for Natalee...and Stephany is always in my heart and I know it is just around the corner.... ::MonkeyAngel::
Good Night and God Bless to all Good Monkeys.....


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 19, 2011, 01:29:58 AM
You know I'll answer you whenever I'm on Billb! Was down in your neck of the woods for a BIG victory over the cornhuskers. Had one of the best burgers I've ever had at a place called Hodads in Ocean Beach..IF you ever get there it's definitely worth it! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 19, 2011, 03:13:38 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_kjjkik_1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE AND STEPHANY!
 ::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Blonde on January 19, 2011, 10:20:36 AM
Natalee Holloway's Impact On The Tourism Demand Of Aruba
Natalee Holloway's impact on the tourism demand of Aruba: An unfortunate incident by M. Kock

 (Paperback) Prouduct Description

The purpose of this research is to analyze what effect the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, an American teenage girl, had on the tourism demand of Aruba. A review of cases will reveal if personal harm (loss), in combination with media attention, can have an impact on the tourism demand of a location and therefore also give an indication of what can be expected for the case of Aruba. The findings in this research suggest that the tourism demand coming from the three major markets of Aruba did not experience any significant impact from the disappearance of Natalee Holloway incident.

About the Author

As a native to Aruba and an Economics student I wondered if the disappearance of Natalee Holloway would have any effect on the tourism demand of Aruba.

$67.00 In Stock Ships from and sold by Amazon.com

Prouduct Details

M. Kock  (Author)
Paperback 100 pages
Release date: November 16, 2010 LAP LAMBERT Academic Publishing ISBN: 3843368759 ..

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d.html/ref=aw_d_detail?pd=1&a=3843368759


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: klaasend on January 19, 2011, 10:45:35 AM
Thanks Blonde - I think TM posted that about a week ago.  Personally I thought $67 was a bit high  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 19, 2011, 02:20:51 PM
http://amigoenieuws.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1948:beslissing-ioc-pijnlijk-moeilijk-en-vervelend&catid=108:artikelen-aruba&Itemid=199

Google translation:

"IOC Decision painful, difficult and boring"

Tuesday, 18 January 2011 7:53 p.m.

ORANGE CITY - "Athletes who spend their entire lives in a country practice their sport, will have to go play for another country. That is very painful, difficult and unpleasant. "Says Nicole Hoevertsz, president of the Aruba National Olympic Committee (COA).
She was reacting to a recent decision by the International Olympic Committee (IOC). The recognition of the Olympic Committee of the Netherlands Antilles (NAOC) is in June this year withdrawn. The reason is that the Netherlands Antilles by October 10, 2010 no longer exist and the individual islands in the current Olympic status no longer own National Olympic Committee may establish. Aruba also would not currently qualify for its own Olympic Committee, told this newspaper Hoevertsz. "Because we have no independent country." But because COA was created before the rules changed in 1996, Aruba can still maintain their own National Committee.

Hoevertsz worked with Prince Willem-Alexander, Dutch member of the International Olympic Committee, in recent months to finding a solution to this problem. Actually, even the athletes at the upcoming Olympics to play for a kingdom of the two committees. The IOC, however, as an interim solution in mind that athletes from the former West Indies for the upcoming Olympics dispensation. They may, under the Olympic flag and status of 'independent athlete "broadcast. After the London Olympics in 2012 athletes from St. Maarten, Curacao, Saba, St. Eustatius and Bonaire have come out for either Netherlands or Aruba.
When athletes from the former Netherlands Antilles choose to come under the control of the COA, then the athletes should be counseled, trained and supported. This, according Hoevertsz still some technical and financial implications for the Committee. For this, they also help and advice from the International Olympic Committee (IOC). The Aruban National Olympic Committee meets this week on the best approach.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Blonde on January 19, 2011, 03:26:21 PM
Natalee Holloway's Impact On The Tourism Demand Of Aruba
Natalee Holloway's impact on the tourism demand of Aruba: An unfortunate incident by M. Kock

 (Paperback) Prouduct Description

The purpose of this research is to analyze what effect the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, an American teenage girl, had on the tourism demand of Aruba. A review of cases will reveal if personal harm (loss), in combination with media attention, can have an impact on the tourism demand of a location and therefore also give an indication of what can be expected for the case of Aruba. The findings in this research suggest that the tourism demand coming from the three major markets of Aruba did not experience any significant impact from the disappearance of Natalee Holloway incident.

About the Author

As a native to Aruba and an Economics student I wondered if the disappearance of Natalee Holloway would have any effect on the tourism demand of Aruba.

$67.00 In Stock Ships from and sold by Amazon.com

Prouduct Details

M. Kock  (Author)
Paperback 100 pages
Release date: November 16, 2010 LAP LAMBERT Academic Publishing ISBN: 3843368759 ..

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d.html/ref=aw_d_detail?pd=1&a=3843368759




Just found this

http://oaithesis.eur.nl/ir/repub/asset/5044/Masterscriptie%20Marisabel%20Kock.pdf


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 19, 2011, 05:52:52 PM
http://oaithesis.eur.nl/ir/repub/asset/5044/Masterscriptie%20Marisabel%20Kock.pdf

You can read her thesis at the link:

I haven't read much of it yet, I've got a lot going on at the moment.

But in scrolling through I did find this interesting.

snipped

6.2 Recommendations
Possible future research might be able to obtain a better model if the marketing and
promotions budget were to be included.  Due to the lack of cooperation this was not the case.
However this data might be relevant for establishing a more accurate relation between Aruba’s
tourism demand and the impact of the Natalee Holloway incident. Additionally, marketing and
promotions budget undoubtedly have an effect on the tourism demand itself, which could
strengthens the model.

Future tourism policies might want to look at the best way in which such incidents could be
prevented. As can be seen from the results, tourists (American and Dutch) still feel safe on the
island. However if this were to happen on a more frequent basis, this safe image that Aruba
now possess may be tarnished. That is why preventive measure should be put into place, such
as in the case of Jamaica and Saint Lucia, in order to limit the impact of these incidents
recurring




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 19, 2011, 06:06:51 PM
http://amigoenieuws.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2012:nog-geen-uitslag-mogelijke-eerste-dengue-dode&catid=108:artikelen-aruba&Itemid=199

Google translation:

Still no result possible first dengue death

Wednesday, 19 January 2011 8:36 p.m.

ORANGE CITY - Department of Health is still awaiting test results from the Netherlands to indicate whether a patient who died in mid-December, or not had dengue. "We suspect it," said Sharlin Koolman, the new management team of Health.

Daily Herald reported on December 13 that a boy of sixteen, suspected dengue was deceased. The authorities did not confirm this then. "We have professional and should not disclose personal information," said interim director Derek-ian Blok then. Koolman now let something go. "In December, about thirteen patients hospitalized with dengue. One patient is deceased, we suspect the impact of dengue. But we have the results from the Netherlands has not yet received. On this basis, we will determine whether we need to act. "She recognizes that the long wait, but that has to do with the time needed for the test.

'Outbreak'
Tests that determine whether someone has dengue, Aruba can be done, said Koolman. But the tests that determine the type of dengue, to the Netherlands. Koolman mentions that 45 percent of all dengue reports that Department of Health and known in the laboratory analysis is really dengue. They took the word 'epidemic' is not in the mouth, such as block once did, but about a dengue outbreak 'or an outbreak of the disease. The number of reports is, she is still high. "Our concern is mainly that many patients have previously had dengue. The risk of a severe form of dengue increases. So doctors are especially alert to people who are very ill and may have a severe form of dengue. "She advises people who have multiple symptoms simultaneously, such as high fever, eye pain, diarrhea and muscle pain, urgency to their rapidly GP report.

New management team
Sharlin Koolman since Tuesday is the spokesperson for dengue. Together with Nivia Doolabi Wilmer Salazar and she also has the management of Department of Health has taken Blok, who was interim director. They also block and give no information why the leadership of the management has changed. At the office of the Minister confirms policy Bart Kool organizational change. "Koolman, Doolabi and Salazar were installed Tuesday. They are behind the scenes, however, still just assisted by Block. The spokesperson of Health is directly transferred to the management team. "He does not want to answer more questions. "We do not currently comment on the reason for the management change. We do this only when the minister returned to the island. That will be sometime next week. "


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Helen Back on January 19, 2011, 07:53:38 PM
Hey everyone,

Just swinging by for daily news and the front page is a re-direct to godaddy again.   ::MonkeyShocked::Thought Red would want to know. 

Take care monkeys.  Justice for Natalee and Stephany!  ::MonkeyGavel::


Hi Helen - try clearing your cookies, it shouldn't still be happening.

Well wooooops!  Hey Klaas and all monkeys.  I saw a different re-direct after the one Carpe pointed out.  Could have sworn that I had been to the front page in between.  Anyhoo, glad that all is well. 

I have little to contribute these days, but love to check in here and see all the faithful monkeys holding down the fort.  I still stop by regularly, because I know one day there will be justice for Natalee and Stephany and one fine day Natalee will be found.  I hope it's soon.

 ::MonkeyBike::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 19, 2011, 09:24:39 PM
Hey everyone,

Just swinging by for daily news and the front page is a re-direct to godaddy again.   ::MonkeyShocked::Thought Red would want to know. 

Take care monkeys.  Justice for Natalee and Stephany!  ::MonkeyGavel::


Hi Helen - try clearing your cookies, it shouldn't still be happening.

Well wooooops!  Hey Klaas and all monkeys.  I saw a different re-direct after the one Carpe pointed out.  Could have sworn that I had been to the front page in between.  Anyhoo, glad that all is well. 

I have little to contribute these days, but love to check in here and see all the faithful monkeys holding down the fort.  I still stop by regularly, because I know one day there will be justice for Natalee and Stephany and one fine day Natalee will be found.  I hope it's soon.

 ::MonkeyBike::



Hi Helen Back  :smt006


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 20, 2011, 12:08:15 AM
http://books.google.com/books?id=-bk7pDK7VfsC&lpg=PP1&dq=Loving%20Natalee%3A%20A%20Mother's%20Testament%20of%20Hope%20and%20Faith%20By%20Beth%20Holloway%2C%20Sunny%20Tillman&pg=PA221#v=onepage&q&f=false

Loving Natalee: A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway, Sunny Tillman

Pages 221-223

In Natalee's Room

So many outrageous things have happened in the past couple of years that to try to explain them all would consume a thousand pages.  It would be Gone with the Aruban Wind.  And I know this account probably raises as many questions as it answers, and sounds more like a novel than a true story.  But it all really happened.  To my daughter.  To my family.  And to me.  That’s why I’m glad others have been present all along this journey to witness the events.  Because they were so incredibly bizarre.

In the end we do finally receive vindication that we have been on the right track all along.  After I travel to Holland in 2006 to appear on the popular local Robert Jensen Show, the highly respected Dutch investigative reporter Peter de Vries takes an interest in Natalee’s case and calls me.  His TV crime show in Holland is the equivalent of America’s Most Wanted.  Peter and his team discover and broadcast startling revelations from their own investigation into Natalee’s case that we had not heard before.  In a television special that airs in Holland, they report findings that absolutely justify the suspicions we have had all along.

First, they discover that a secret meeting took place between Joran’s lawyer and the prosecutor in which the lawyer told her that he knows his client played a major role in Natalee’s disappearance.   Joran’s lawyer told the prosecutor this to “clear his conscience,” but also told her it was up to her and the police to “get the full proof for this.”  Next, Peter de Vries reports that Joran almost confessed on June 18, 2005, when a detective called him a “devil.”  The report say that Joran “lost it” and stated:  “I know what you guys think.  You think I had sex with Natalee, and that I called my father, and that my father came, and that we hid the body.”  Peter de Vries reports that he is very suspicious of this statement because of the role of Joran’s father, Paulus, had not yet been discussed.  Further, the TV report states that Joran said out of the blue, “I don’t know where she is buried.”  Again, this subject had not yet been introduced.

The most damning conclusive evidence discovered by this investigative team concerns the search warrant issued for the van der Sloot residence following Joran’s arrest.  We have always been very distressed that the police could not get into the van der Sloot house in a timely manner.  When a search warrant was finally issued ten days after Natalee disappeared, the island police were prepared to go into the home.  But according to this report by Peter de Vries, they arrived only to be greeted at the door by a high-ranking official of the prosecutor’s office named Ben King, a personal friend of the van der Sloots.  So there was no element of surprise.  The van der Sloots were more than ready for the police to come.  In addition, we learn that the warrant carried by the police did indeed call for the entire premises to be searched including the house, the gardens, and all the buildings of the property.  But it was reduced on the spot by another high-ranking employee of the justice office.  Judge commissioner Bob Wit reportedly changed the warrant so that only Joran’s apartment could be searched.  Peter de Vries said that this was extremely frustrating to the Aruban police, because they had clues that something might have happened to Natalee in the main house or garden area.  But they couldn’t search there.

The Peter de Vries report concludes that the Aruban police believe that the three suspects never took Natalee to the beach.  They believe she met her fate at the van der Sloot home, and that Joran called his father  - or someone – and that they disposed of her body.  That’s what we think may have happened.  And there’s nothing the police or anyone can do about it, because evil was always two steps ahead.  It beat us to the search warrant, and it appeared before we did in the headmaster’s office at the International School to explain what happened between Joran and Natalee, and that hotel security cameras weren’t working.  I knew from the moment I gave my statement at the Bubali police station and saw that torn document with Joran van der Sloot’s name on it that we were up against way more than we bargained for.

We never stood a chance to get justice for Natalee.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 20, 2011, 12:21:24 AM
http://books.google.com/books?id=-bk7pDK7VfsC&lpg=PP1&dq=Loving%20Natalee%3A%20A%20Mother's%20Testament%20of%20Hope%20and%20Faith%20By%20Beth%20Holloway%2C%20Sunny%20Tillman&pg=PA221#v=onepage&q&f=false

Quote
The most damning conclusive evidence discovered by this investigative team concerns the search warrant issued for the van der Sloot residence following Joran’s arrest.  We have always been very distressed that the police could not get into the van der Sloot house in a timely manner.  When a search warrant was finally issued ten days after Natalee disappeared, the island police were prepared to go into the home.  But according to this report by Peter de Vries, they arrived only to be greeted at the door by a high-ranking official of the prosecutor’s office named Ben King, a personal friend of the van der Sloots.  So there was no element of surprise.  The van der Sloots were more than ready for the police to come.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000130438747

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Ben%20Vocking%20King/01192011_BenKingFBProfile.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 20, 2011, 01:16:31 AM
http://books.google.com/books?id=-bk7pDK7VfsC&lpg=PP1&dq=Loving%20Natalee%3A%20A%20Mother's%20Testament%20of%20Hope%20and%20Faith%20By%20Beth%20Holloway%2C%20Sunny%20Tillman&pg=PA221#v=onepage&q&f=false

Quote
In addition, we learn that the warrant carried by the police did indeed call for the entire premises to be searched including the house, the gardens, and all the buildings of the property.  But it was reduced on the spot by another high-ranking employee of the justice office.  Judge commissioner Bob Wit reportedly changed the warrant so that only Joran’s apartment could be searched. Peter de Vries said that this was extremely frustrating to the Aruban police, because they had clues that something might have happened to Natalee in the main house or garden area.  But they couldn’t search there.

This article came out right after the case was closed in December 2007, the case was reopened after the range rover confessions in Feb 2008.

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=2

12/27/2007

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/bobwit.jpg)

ex huez comisario bob wit is defende his actuacion in caso-holloway

thursday, 27 december 2007

“mi owing to actua corecto y owing to base of proceduranan estableci in the caso natalee holloway”.

so ex huez comisario in the affair bob wit owing to tell relaciona cu ponencianan cu owing to come fast in last dianan for her as cu the investigacion in the caso owing to march. during one week, mr. wit cu awendia is afiliá at corte of husticia of caribe, owing to fungi because; huez comisario in the caso here.

at aruba the boss principal of the investigacion of the time yonder gerald dompig owing to tell cu the mature cu huez comisario not owing to accord for busca proof in the cas of the pareha van der sloot owing to stroba the investigacion.

 the investigador of crímen dutch peter r. de vries owing to alegá the same cos. remarcabel was in the caso here cu after owing to accord if one are of investigacion of the netherlands enter the cas y the territory of the family.

owing to crea the impresion also cu because; cu was deal of funcionario cu was learn for become huez, owing to previlegiá the family.

paul van der sloot, father of joran van der sloot, after owing to become sospechoso in the caso. the was in the formacion of raio.

 mr. wit owing to tell cu at instant cu owing to come the peticion for her listramento at the sitio caminda joran van der sloot was live, owing to come the peticion of om for busca in his apartment y also in two car of the family.

 niun instant owing to ask for busca more far. one huez comisario not can haci another, because the peticion for listramento have to is substansia. cu another word if owing to accord for busca another caminda y esee do not cubri for her peticion of ministerio público all proof cu eventualmente obtené is ilegal.

 “esey is signify cu we owing to haci we work corectamente”, so mr. wit owing to tell. the ex huez comisario owing to tell also for thing is deal the caso self cu the sospechonan contra van der sloot y the rumannan kalpoe is strong.

“mi owing to constatá for of the dossier cu had various contradiccion in they declaracionnan.

 but esey do not sufficient for succeed one condena.

in the caso cu not find the restonan deadly hour is deal of one crímen do you have to of material adicional cu is as declaracion of one or more witness cu owing to see thing owing to happen or do you have to find spornan of blood or can example cabei for tèstnan of dna”, so the magistrado owing to tell.

for thing is tr the caso self, mr. wit owing to tell cu owing to arrive of happen in pasado cu after of time owing to come elementonan new cu still can conducí at one persecucion of the sospechosonan.

 “mi owing to see much trip in my work cu cualke instant can come informacion new cu is throw one another light on casonan cu was pendiente”, so mr. wit owing to comentá.ministerio público of aruba owing to anunciá the week here cu in the caso here the accomodate of caducacion of the “krímen” is 7 year for asesinato y 10 year for asesinato premeditá (homicidio).


RECENT ARTICLE:


NOTE:  "Wit" changes to "White" in the translation...I'm not going to change them all.

http://www.rnw.nl/caribiana/article/sint-maarten-baanbrekend-met-constitutioneel-hof#

Google translation:

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St. Maarten pioneered by Constitutional Court

Published: November 17, 2010 - 3:49 am | by Sharlon Monart   
( Photo: Sharlon Monart )

Three permanent judges and three deputy Tuesday, November 16 in Phillipsburg by Governor Eugene Holiday St. Martin sworn in as a member of the country's Constitutional Court. This Constitutional Court is unique and specific to St. Maarten in the whole kingdom of the Netherlands is one such institution.

The members of the Constitutional Court are: President Jacob "Bob" White (Wit), Vice-President Pieter van Dijk, Jan de Boer, Ben Vermeulen, Joop Drop and Suzanne 'Suzy' Camelia-Römer. The last three are alternates.

Substantive test
White resigned during his first speech that "St Martin now has the opportunity to Land Regulations on their constitutionality to test. If an Ordinance or not in line with the constitution? The Court may review based on content or on the basis of the process of Parliament she has achieved. " This may already before the Regulation comes into force. We do not need to wait until a citizen in practice aggrieved by an Ordinance.

This goes beyond the powers of the Common Court has now given. In Aruba and Curaçao, the Court has the power to 'practical test of constitutionality "character added. These so-called practical test can only be performed by the Joint Court after an Ordinance has been approved and a public court action. The Joint Court will in cases in criminal, civil and administrative law review of Land Regulations or not consistent with traditional fundamental constitutional rights.

Range

Suzanne 'Suzy' Camelia-RömerPhoto: Aworaki.nl
In St. Maarten, the range of the Common Court even greater: that this Court, the "national regulations" to hold the light of all provisions in the constitution, not just those identified as' classical 'fundamental rights' are. If a court finds that a regulation or a provision therein is contrary to the Constitution, then he terms as "not applicable" explain.
"This judicial review was expressly forbidden in the Netherlands Antilles and is still in the Netherlands - to the astonishment of juristen world, particularly in the Caribbean where people familiar with the idea of a Constitutional Court," said White.

Figurehead
Of content, abstract application of regulations to establish a Constitutional Court is furthermore achieved that the Joint Court not to close legislative politicians need to go.

"In the kingdom of the Netherlands, St. Maarten is now the figurehead of constitutionalism, far ahead of its sister islands and even further ahead on its proverbial mother. Depending on the willingness to use this unique court - established by a country that is under construction - it is quite possible that St. Maarten is the Dutch way a number of lessons to learn ', predicts White.

Ombudsman
The Ombudsman - Ms Nilda Arduin - plays a key role in the constitutional review process. "The procedure is that when a regulation is adopted and the Ombudsman considers that this is unconstitutional, it only this to the attention of the Constitutional Court may bring," explained White, "they have six weeks this time." If this court with the Ombudsman agrees, it could be the regulation is fully or partially void. It is possible that the line with the constitution the Ombudsman is not admissible Court and Parliament in force of the regulation is urgent.

Politicians prices
The President of the Constitutional Court of St. Maarten also says that "despite all the bad things that might be said about politicians - St. Maarten political elite should be commended for such a brave step forward and step, it must be said, for which no any other Parliament in the kingdom of the Netherlands has found the courage to do it. By a court so much power to give citizens more opportunities to get their own representatives to govern and control power. The real power lies ultimately with the courts but by the citizens themselves, "said Bob White.


Members of the Court

President Bob White (Wit) has over 26 years judge, whose 24 years in the Caribbean. He was judge of the Common Court of Justice from 1986 until mid 2005. Then he became Judge of the Caribbean Court of Justice in Trinidad and Tobago.

Vice President Van Dijk was a judge in the European Court of Human Rights.

Judge Jan de Boer is a member of the Common Court of Justice since 1998. De Boer is a respected scholar and author of the textbook on gezgahebbende Dutch family.

Joop Drop judge since 1996, and in this part of the kingdom since 2004.

Judge Ben Vermeulen is a member of the Council of State since February 2008, and has been advising for some time in examining the constitution.

Suzanne Camelia-Römer, is a former prime minister and brings a broad knowledge of politics and law.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 20, 2011, 01:35:40 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 20, 2011, 01:41:44 AM
Keepthefaith, pinetucky and 5 Guests  ::monkeywine2::

Good Evening.... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 20, 2011, 02:37:07 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY & STEPHANY FLORES

IT IS COMING...

GOOD NIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH

MONKEYS DO!



 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Blonde on January 20, 2011, 09:32:15 AM
http://books.google.com/books?id=-bk7pDK7VfsC&lpg=PP1&dq=Loving%20Natalee%3A%20A%20Mother's%20Testament%20of%20Hope%20and%20Faith%20By%20Beth%20Holloway%2C%20Sunny%20Tillman&pg=PA221#v=onepage&q&f=false

Quote
The most damning conclusive evidence discovered by this investigative team concerns the search warrant issued for the van der Sloot residence following Joran’s arrest.  We have always been very distressed that the police could not get into the van der Sloot house in a timely manner.  When a search warrant was finally issued ten days after Natalee disappeared, the island police were prepared to go into the home.  But according to this report by Peter de Vries, they arrived only to be greeted at the door by a high-ranking official of the prosecutor’s office named Ben King, a personal friend of the van der Sloots.  So there was no element of surprise.  The van der Sloots were more than ready for the police to come.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000130438747

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Ben%20Vocking%20King/01192011_BenKingFBProfile.jpg)

Are you sure he is the same Ben King?
I have this picture of Ben King

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Aruba%20Law%20E/KINGBenVocking.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: klaasend on January 20, 2011, 09:51:33 AM
Blonde - looks like TM's facebook one is correct, if he used his real photo.  We were "told" the photo you had was him and likely told falsely.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: klaasend on January 20, 2011, 09:55:34 AM
Posted back in April by TM.  Yep, I'd say it's Ben King:

http://www.de-marias.nl/sponsors/particulieren/

snips

Joeri King   €10   Oppasgeld

Natasja King   €20   geld voor oppassen op Sven

Ben King en Mieke de Droog   €200

Jeroen Vocking   €50   Go go go zusje!

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http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000930557406&v=wall#!/profile.php?id=100000930557406&v=info

(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/v226/1558/47/n100000930557406_7634.jpg)

Mieke de Droog

Education and Work
 
College:
Universiteit Utrecht

High School:
Fons Vitae Lyceum

Employer:university of aruba

Pages:

Aruba International Film Festival
Spirit of Aruba, Community & Book Cafe
University of Aruba: (OGM) Organization Governance & Management (FAS)
Kiwanis Circle K of The University of Aruba


http://www.facebook.com/pages/University-of-Aruba-OGM-Organization-Governance-Management-FAS/102333309806487?ref=sgm#!/album.php?aid=2764&id=102333309806487

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-sjc1/hs109.snc3/15717_104590132914138_102333309806487_35986_4396914_n.jpg)

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http://www.bestuurskundearuba.com/bkprikbord.html

Google translation:  (changed her name back to de Droog from "Dry")

In October 2008, the first two students of
their degree from 2006 to 2008 received. It Rien Jansen, head
of the Recherche Cooperation Team (RST)-Aruba
and the Mieke
de Droog, director of the Foundation for the Blind in Aruba
,
the FAVI. Both have found the training very interesting and
also very useful for their daily practice. They have
very successfully completed study, Rien Jansen with an average
of over eight and Mieke de Droog honors (eight and up). The
thesis of Rien Jackson states: "It's All About Emotions" and concerns an
investigation into the factors that can lead to support
for cooperation between the various police organizations in Aruba.
The thesis of Mieke de Droog reads: "Driving Meanings in
"Creative Interactions, "A successful intervention for quality
improvement of service with the FAVI, seeking a balance
between studies and guidance, between person and environment. "

(http://www.bestuurskundearuba.com/images/PA080112.jpg)

The attached photo at the graduation ceremony in Utrecht are from left to
right: Dr. January Boessenkool, content coordinator and also teacher of
the USG, Mieke de Droog, Rien Jansen and Drs. Maaike van der Wal,
professor Change Studies.

(I also noticed an article further down the page with Frank Zaandam in it.)



http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=9306691&id=175098170525#!/photo.php?pid=9306694&id=175098170525&fbid=294723700525

Klaas, when you have time would you see if you can tell what it says on the certificate?

I think it may say Ben King...

I tried, but didn't have much luck.

TIA   ::MonkeyKiss::

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs216.snc1/8335_294723700525_175098170525_9306694_1652682_n.jpg)

If it is maybe he's been using some Grecian Formula.   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 20, 2011, 02:36:39 PM
http://kiwanispalmbeacharuba.com/photos.php?poffset=36&sg=0

(http://kiwanispalmbeacharuba.com/clubdocs/photos/Tent12009.jpg)

http://kiwanispalmbeacharuba.com/photos.php?poffset=42&sg=0

(http://kiwanispalmbeacharuba.com/clubdocs/photos/PC050480.JPG)

I have more.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 20, 2011, 02:46:02 PM
I can't help but believe he is a relative of this Ben Vocking

http://www.dominicanen.nl/detail_page.phtml?act_id=169&username=guest&password=9999&publish=Y&username=guest&password=9999&groups=DOMINICA&banner=1&categories=

(http://www.dominicanen.nl/spaw2/uploads/gezichten/ben-vocking-2.jpg)

(http://www.dominicanen.nl/spaw2/uploads/gezichten/ben-vocking-3.jpg)

To me...they look alike, especially the ears.   ::MonkeyEek::

jmo


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Blonde on January 20, 2011, 05:14:56 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Aruba%20Law%20E/benking.jpg)

Ben King


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: klaasend on January 20, 2011, 05:45:21 PM
Blonde - I believe TM is correct and WE were all incorrect in who we thought was Ben King for all these years.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 20, 2011, 06:14:20 PM
http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=586&Itemid=33

Kiwanis Club of Palm Beach a instala nan directiva nobo pa aña 2007 / 2008
Saturday, 15 December 2007
 
 
ORANJESTAD - Recientemente a tuma luga e Board Installation of Kiwanis Club of Palm Beach 2007-2008. Den un ambiente formal y calido e ceremonia tuma lugar den e Radisson Ballroom. A instala sr. Marcelino Quant como e Presidente cu lo guia e Club pa aña 2007 - 2008. Su Vice Presidente ta Alvin Wever y Segundo Vice Presidente ta Giovanni Koffy. Como Secretario y Tesorero a keda nombra repectivamente Ben King y Raymond Habibe.
 Directiva completo ta consisti di Paul Croes, Omar de Souza, Rossi Marchena, Rudy Perrotte, Evan Giel, Bert de Vries y Frank Hoevertsz como Presidente Saliente.
Durante e evento aki e club a conta cu presencia di Jean Marie de Neef, Lieutentant Governor di Guyana.
A gradici tur e Youth Service Club-nan cu durante henter anja a traha duro pa comunidad. Entre otro a hasi mencion especial di Circle K di Universidad di Aruba y Builders Club di Juliana School.
 
Na final di e evento Presidente Marcelino Quant durante su discurso a presenta su plannan pa 2007-2008 terminando cu su lema ‘I Love This Club’. Despues di e parti oficial e a continua cu musica y baile. Kiwanis Club of Palm Beach un biaha mas kier a gradici comunidad pa e respaldo ricibi. Cu esaki Kiwanis por duna bek na comunidad trahando pa un causa judando esnan den mas necesidad.
Asina mirando cu e periodo di Carnaval 2008 ta hopi cortico kier a recorda Aruba riba e Carnaval Masquerade Party 2008 cu lo tuma lugar dia 1 di Februari 2008.
KIWANIS Club of Palm Beach keir a desea henter comunidad di Aruba, felis dianan di fiesta di Pasco y bon un prospero y fructifero 2008.

Papiamentu translation:

kiwanis club or palm beach owing to instala they directiva new for year 2007 / 2008

saturday, 15 december 2007

oranjestad - recientemente did take luga the board installation or kiwanis club or palm beach 2007-2008. in one ambiente serious y calido the ceremonia take lugar in the radisson ballroom. owing to instala sr. marcelino quant because; the chairman cu will guia the club for year 2007 - 2008. his vice chairman is alvin wever y second vice chairman is giovanni koffy. because; secretario y tesorero owing to stay named after repectivamente ben king y raymond habibe. directiva completo is consisti of paul croes, omar de souza, rossi marchena, rudy perrotte, evan giel, bert de vries y frank hoevertsz because; chairman saliente. during the evento here the club owing to count ; cu presencia of jean marie de neef, lieutentant governor of guyana. owing to gradici all the youth service club-nan cu during all anja owing to work duro for comunidad. among another owing to make mencion especial of circle k of universidad of aruba y builders club of juliana school. at end of the evento chairman marcelino quant during his discurso owing to present his plannan for 2007-2008 terminando cu his lema ‘i love this club’. after of the part oficial the owing to continua cu musica y ball. kiwanis club or palm beach once more wanted owing to gradici comunidad for her respaldo ricibi. cu this kiwanis can give bek at comunidad trahando for one cause judando esnan in more necesidad. so mirando cu the period of carnaval 2008 is much cortico wanted owing to recorda aruba on the carnaval masquerade party 2008 cu will take lugar day 1 of feburary 2008. kiwanis club or palm beach keir owing to desea all comunidad of aruba, happy dianan of party of pasco y good one prospero y fructifero 2008. come across

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=143563492979

KCPB - Installation Night July 29 2010

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 20, 2011, 07:35:37 PM
http://books.google.com/books?id=-bk7pDK7VfsC&lpg=PP1&dq=Loving%20Natalee%3A%20A%20Mother's%20Testament%20of%20Hope%20and%20Faith%20By%20Beth%20Holloway%2C%20Sunny%20Tillman&pg=PA221#v=onepage&q&f=false

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The most damning conclusive evidence discovered by this investigative team concerns the search warrant issued for the van der Sloot residence following Joran’s arrest.  We have always been very distressed that the police could not get into the van der Sloot house in a timely manner.  When a search warrant was finally issued ten days after Natalee disappeared, the island police were prepared to go into the home.  But according to this report by Peter de Vries, they arrived only to be greeted at the door by a high-ranking official of the prosecutor’s office named Ben King, a personal friend of the van der Sloots.  So there was no element of surprise.  The van der Sloots were more than ready for the police to come.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000130438747

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Ben%20Vocking%20King/01192011_BenKingFBProfile.jpg)

Are you sure he is the same Ben King?
I have this picture of Ben King

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Aruba%20Law%20E/KINGBenVocking.jpg)

I think they are both Ben King.  JMO 

If you watch the video, the sequence of pictures are as follows when Ben King at the van der Sloot house is being discussed.  It's close to the end of the video, you can see the times on the screen shots I took from the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpzuppoAFqU

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Ben%20Vocking%20King/BenKing_PeterRdeVries2006.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Ben%20Vocking%20King/BenKing_PeterRdeVries2006_1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Ben%20Vocking%20King/BenKing_PeterRdeVries2006_2.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: klaasend on January 20, 2011, 07:56:00 PM
But this Ben King's profile suggests he worked for KIA so I would think this is the right one

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Ben%20Vocking%20King/01192011_BenKingFBProfile.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 20, 2011, 08:34:31 PM
But this Ben King's profile suggests he worked for KIA so I would think this is the right one

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Ben%20Vocking%20King/01192011_BenKingFBProfile.jpg)

I agree.  I think the facebook pic is definitely Ben King.  I've found pics of him with his sons too.

But I'm not convinced yet that it's not him with shorter hair in those other pics also.  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyWaa::

These pictures come to mind also.  They were discussed at one time too.  I'm thinking we may have decided he was a lawyer?  Maybe Buckeye remembers?  It's been a while ago that we discussed it. 

(http://i438.photobucket.com/albums/qq107/HOPE8789/BLUESHIRT6.jpg)

(http://i438.photobucket.com/albums/qq107/HOPE8789/BLUESHIRT9.jpg)




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: klaasend on January 20, 2011, 08:42:30 PM
The jawlines just look so different.  He would have had to have had a jaw implant, LOL  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 20, 2011, 09:21:15 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 20, 2011, 09:36:39 PM
The two rings caught my eye in other pics, you can see them better in this pic. 

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=143563492979

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs195.snc4/38094_10150216475270112_516710111_13618844_5361988_n.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 20, 2011, 09:42:49 PM
The jawlines just look so different.  He would have had to have had a jaw implant, LOL  ::MonkeyHaHa::

If everybody knew you'd helped protect Joran and Paulus, wouldn't you get a jaw implant and some grecian formula too?  ::rhino::

(http://img2.prosperent.com/images/250x250/a1061.g.akamai.net/7/1061/5412/home/www.walgreens.com/dbimagecache/01150900291_450x450_a.jpg)  ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::

jk   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Sleuth on January 20, 2011, 09:47:28 PM
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I agree.  I think the facebook pic is definitely Ben King.  I've found pics of him with his sons too.

But I'm not convinced yet that it's not him with shorter hair in those other pics also.  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyWaa::
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I was thinking the same thing.  Check his left earlobe..


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 20, 2011, 10:17:51 PM
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I agree.  I think the facebook pic is definitely Ben King.  I've found pics of him with his sons too.

But I'm not convinced yet that it's not him with shorter hair in those other pics also.  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyWaa::
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I was thinking the same thing.  Check his left earlobe..

The picture from the video is not very good quality, but I do see what you're talking about!

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Ben%20Vocking%20King/BenKing_FBprofilepic_01192011-1-1.jpg)(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Ben%20Vocking%20King/BenKing_PeterRdeVries2006-2.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: pinkbanana on January 20, 2011, 10:37:30 PM
Watching the movie about Natalee on LMN...this the first time I'm seeing it and I'm a mess! My stomach hurts so bad.

pb

Still standing with the girl


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 20, 2011, 10:55:03 PM
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?id=516710111&aid=523258

Kiwanis Club of Palm Beach - Board Installation 2010-2011

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/MiriamArleneEllisSchipper_DilmaArendsGeermanKiwanisClubPalmBeachBoardInstallation20102011.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/MiriamArleneEllisSchipper_DilmaArendsGeermanKiwanisClubPalmBeachBoardInstallation201020112.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Buckeye on January 21, 2011, 12:26:54 AM
The earlobes could be twins.

Do we actually have a picture of Ariean de Bie?  For some reason, I'm thinking we made a link.  The same guy was with Joran in a picture of going to hospital for DNA and at house with Carlo and Kock, at release.  I think Vocking/King, is more the "sneaky" type and would have stayed behind the bushes.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 21, 2011, 02:05:36 AM
The earlobes could be twins.

Do we actually have a picture of Ariean de Bie?  For some reason, I'm thinking we made a link.  The same guy was with Joran in a picture of going to hospital for DNA and at house with Carlo and Kock, at release.  I think Vocking/King, is more the "sneaky" type and would have stayed behind the bushes.

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=704330n

That may be it Buckeye!   ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyCool::

He was definitely one of Joran's lawyers according to this video. 

ITA about Vocking/King too. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 21, 2011, 02:22:46 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_kjjkik_1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE AND STEPHANY!
 ::MonkeyJustice::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: kkthy on January 21, 2011, 06:35:26 AM
Watching the movie about Natalee on LMN...this the first time I'm seeing it and I'm a mess! My stomach hurts so bad.

pb

Still standing with the girl

I recorded the Natalee movie last night so that I can watch it this weekend.  I'll make sure I have a nice quiet time to watch it.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Blonde on January 21, 2011, 09:44:15 AM
Blonde - I believe TM is correct and WE were all incorrect in who we thought was Ben King for all these years.

Are you saying WE WERE WRONG  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Lifesong on January 21, 2011, 09:58:54 AM

Just finished scrolling through the thread to stay caught up, thanks Klaas and our lovely anonymous monkey for the trial docs.  I'm looking forward to the 3/11/11 summary judgement hearing.  Interesting.

I've been busy on another assignment, but Natalee and the monkeys are never far from my heart.

Peace to all.


Boycott Aruba!   Justice for Natalee!   Tick Tock Deepak!

::MonkeyBike::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: klaasend on January 21, 2011, 10:37:08 AM
Blonde - I believe TM is correct and WE were all incorrect in who we thought was Ben King for all these years.

Are you saying WE WERE WRONG  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyCool::

I think back in 2005 we had alot of Aruban "helpers" encouraging us in the wrong direction.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 21, 2011, 12:27:30 PM
 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 21, 2011, 02:49:09 PM
But this Ben King's profile suggests he worked for KIA so I would think this is the right one

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Ben%20Vocking%20King/01192011_BenKingFBProfile.jpg)

I agree.  I think the facebook pic is definitely Ben King.  I've found pics of him with his sons too.

But I'm not convinced yet that it's not him with shorter hair in those other pics also.  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyWaa::

These pictures come to mind also.  They were discussed at one time too.  I'm thinking we may have decided he was a lawyer?  Maybe Buckeye remembers?  It's been a while ago that we discussed it. 

(http://i438.photobucket.com/albums/qq107/HOPE8789/BLUESHIRT6.jpg)

(http://i438.photobucket.com/albums/qq107/HOPE8789/BLUESHIRT9.jpg)


http://www.onspwa.nl/dewaakvlam.php

Google translation:

Oranje Nassau School & Prins Willem Alexander School


The song "The Pilot" that plays in the background is from the page and the pilot be put out.
THE PILOT

Music at        Music

   
The song "The Pilot" in 2006 specially written and sung by the student ex-ONS/PWA Ariean de Bie. It shows how in the sixties in Seven lived.

(http://www.onspwa.nl/images/arieandebie_160.jpg)

The Pilot (Ariean Bie)

As a child soldier for the first time not displaced
We were similar for each was strange
Sometimes it boring Netherlands, a tough, tough travel
Before you were here, wish you back to Seven

Your friends lived in the Esschen or Erlenweg
But they came from Limburg and Drenthe
And nobody has ever felt so at home more
As in the crucible of one hundred accents

refr:
Was there life before seven, there was life after that?
Yes, but it was very different
That short intense period of time
Made us a different kind of Dutch
You were separated from the clay
and embraced by life
That feeling is the year
my pilot light remained.

You suddenly had a very beautiful and spacious house
And stereo and color TV
Mom and Dad blitsten happy with their brand new Ford
Cigarettes and drinks galore

In Brauel was sometimes than death around the corner
Or a marriage shattered
"It's strong legs that carry weelde'kunnen"
who uses stop-gap 'everyone.

refr:

It had to do with the war, NATO and so
It remained unclear, you were young and ignorant
But we knew of plans for evacuation
When the hell would be unleashed

Our fathers died, sometimes at night in our dreams
If the button was pressed and the Russians would come
In the morning you get careless at the Claim Diele
Except when the Russians invaded Prague

refr:

Germans received us with a skeptical heart
Were we "Argus Eyes" or a new start
We were sometimes reckless, we were sometimes clumsy
She looked surprised, sometimes jealous or silenced

Yet I have found friendship with Germans
Which is maintained and that has never been breached
We shared the sorrow of what we clave
We shared the belief in a borderless love

refr:

From school through the woods naar't pool racing
Along the stench of the sewage treatment
With a friend hard cycling over the moist forest
But slowly cycling with your first girlfriend

On Friday there were the basement party
We drank coke like crazy, ate chips like animals
You found out the sex early in Seven
"Who do I give a kiss'

refr:

You heard there because you were in that boat
A military family and you wanted to or not
And if someone went after a certain time
Often gave an indelible sadness

When the day came that my friend had to go
I still long for those prulbak stood in the schoolyard
But look what fate it sometimes does to you
I got him there, right there, met again after 40 years.

refr:


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 21, 2011, 02:54:46 PM
http://www.onspwa.nl/fotogallerij2009.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 21, 2011, 03:49:07 PM
ARIEAN DE BIE

The Range Rover Confession

Wednesday, February 06, 2008
Joran and OM talk tomorrow in the Netherlands


ORANJESTAD – The conversation between Joran van der Sloot and the Public Prosecutor (OM) will most probably take place in the Netherlands tomorrow, said Joran’s lawyer Ariean de Bie.  Van der Sloot indicated last Monday that he is willing to be interrogated again by the police. According to Van der Eem, Joran continued to bombard him with email and sms until the day of the disclosure. 

After he had met Joran in a poker game in the casino, Van der Eem had approached the Dutch police last year with the suggestion to unmask him.  Justice questions the fact that he had given himself up.  Due to the fact that there is no law for special powers to investigate (BOB), deploy a civil informant in Aruba is unfortunately impossible, but this is different in the Netherlands.  Using police-informants is possible, but with ‘a lot of trouble’.  “But that is going to change”, said an insider in the OM.  “A BOB law is in the make and will probably be presented soon.”

http://amigoe.com/english/


The November, 2007 Arrests

November 30, 2007 -- Updated 0017 GMT (0817 HKT)
Brothers to be freed in Natalee Holloway case


The new evidence against the three men was gathered from advanced techniques used to re-examine existing information, including cell phone records and text messages exchanged the night Holloway disappeared, Mos has said.

Investigators also returned to the homes of the suspects to try to re-create transmissions. The team also discovered that some existing evidence was improperly analyzed.

Defense attorneys for the Kalpoes and van der Sloot have said the prosecutors' evidence is flimsy. "To say it's less than nothing is too much," van der Sloot's lawyer, Ariean de Bie, told CNN.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=post;topic=9031.520;num_replies=534


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: antunym on January 21, 2011, 04:22:45 PM
http://books.google.com/books?id=-bk7pDK7VfsC&lpg=PP1&dq=Loving%20Natalee%3A%20A%20Mother's%20Testament%20of%20Hope%20and%20Faith%20By%20Beth%20Holloway%2C%20Sunny%20Tillman&pg=PA221#v=onepage&q&f=false

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The most damning conclusive evidence discovered by this investigative team concerns the search warrant issued for the van der Sloot residence following Joran’s arrest.  We have always been very distressed that the police could not get into the van der Sloot house in a timely manner.  When a search warrant was finally issued ten days after Natalee disappeared, the island police were prepared to go into the home.  But according to this report by Peter de Vries, they arrived only to be greeted at the door by a high-ranking official of the prosecutor’s office named Ben King, a personal friend of the van der Sloots.  So there was no element of surprise.  The van der Sloots were more than ready for the police to come.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000130438747

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Ben%20Vocking%20King/01192011_BenKingFBProfile.jpg)

Are you sure he is the same Ben King?
I have this picture of Ben King

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Aruba%20Law%20E/KINGBenVocking.jpg)

I don't know if I'm the only one but I always found it very disturbing that a certain former member always had the last picture on this post as their default picture.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 21, 2011, 06:29:00 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Aruba%20Law%20E/benking.jpg)

Ben King

http://www.onspwa.nl/fotogallerij2009.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 21, 2011, 06:59:11 PM
BEN KING AND BOB WITT

Beth Holloway

FOX News w/ Martha MacCallum - November 28, 2006


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: Well I think they will always have to look at there were two personnel involved from the Aruban Justice Department and that is why we don’t have any evidence and that’s what Joran’s attorney will have to be reminded of. It’s because of Bob Witt and Ben King stopped the search warrants. It was made to initially search the entire area of Montanja 19 the garden, the buildings and everything but on the spot high ranking employee of the Justice Office Bob Witt reduced the search warrant to only the room of Joran so that’s why we don’t have any evidence because of involvement of the obstruction from the Aruban Justice Department personnel.
 

Peter Devries

The Robert Jensen Show - November 28, 2006


PETER DEVRIES: Yes the police missed several chances to do things right: when they wanted to search the house.  the door was opened by Mr. Ben King, an assistant of the Procurements Gen. office, the highest justice-office on the island, and a friend of the family who wanted to support the van der Sloots in these difficult times.  So clearly the search of the house had not been a surprise to the van der Sloots.  The police had a warrant for the complete estate but a judge - Bob Wit - who was at the house as well said only Joran’s room could be searched.  These are things a Dutch crime-reporter is of course totally astonished about.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 21, 2011, 07:54:11 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Ariean%20de%20Bie/ArieandeBie_OranjeNassauschoolPrinsWillemAlexanderschool-1.jpg)

http://www.onspwa.nl/gastenboek.php

Guestbook

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Google translation:

Anonymous 29/03/2009 at 7:22:26 p.m.
Yes and it's over. Directors we wish to thank you for another successful reunion. Thanks for your time and effort. Normally I feel my muscles after exercise, but now after the reunion, especially my abs. What we have some laughter. Yeah and the anticipation and napret, this time in hotel centrally was also wonderful. Many memories have been picked up and it's always great to meet everyone. Ariean, thanks for your performance, the song again, the PILOT, it always gives me goosebumps. Now I'm back home, as dull as a rabbit, because the nights were short, great relive all the fun. No actually reminisce on the fun two days. Claudi, also thanked the Hotel Central, it was like you heard at the reunion. Directors thanks again for everything and I wish this Ariean, Flora, Femke and Martin a good flight back to your homeland. Yeah and now I'm still just wondering when the next reunion is !!!!!!
Greetings Margriet Lohof and Ton van Rijnderhoff.

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(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Ariean%20de%20Bie/Guestbook_OranjeNassauschoolPrinsWillemAlexanderschool.jpg)

Ariean Bie 07/04/2008 at 3:50:10 p.m.
Hi Chris,
That clicking on the photo does not want me succeed. That I do something wrong?
 
 
Ariean Bie 07/04/2008 at 3:45:20 p.m.
The Website is fantastic. Nice to see Mark and Aldo Albert Jan Jansen come. Boys of my time. Count it off, I help them.

Ariean Bie


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Carlo van Putten 14/04/2008 at 11:05:13
The song of the Arian Bie is so appropriate for this period ... Griffin read to the Holland House, the curve of Brauel, Hiempie, Monsieur Blanc, the giant hands of the bio Leune and Mr. Morality. Rokersbos and kissing in the matinee at the barracks with Raimond van Domselaar and Rene Lustig Now I give lessons and become a part of those memories, weird! I really hope I can be there next year. Hi I'm Anne Dillingh is in the organization. You sat in my class ... but I see no picture on the site. Greetzzz Carlo

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Jolanda-Volmer Triezenberg 03/09/2008 at 10:08:46 p.m.
Nice site.
Unfortunately this time I can not come to the reunion. We live in Aruba until summer 2009. Maybe the next ....
I miss some class photos. They are in my store. When we get back I look for them.

Greetings from Aruba a hot,
Jolanda-Volmer Triezenberg


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 21, 2011, 08:00:41 PM
http://www.onspwa.nl/fotogallerij2009.html

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Ariean%20de%20Bie/2009_ArieandeBie_SchoolReunion_02.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 21, 2011, 08:39:22 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeven

Zeven
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Zeven is a town in the district of Rotenburg, in Lower Saxony, Germany. It has a population of around 14,000. The nearest large towns are Bremerhaven, Bremen and Hamburg. It is situated approximately 22 km northwest of Rotenburg, and 40 km northeast of Bremen. Zeven is also the seat of the Samtgemeinde ("collective municipality") Zeven.

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According to Google maps, it's a three hour and twenty minute drive to Arnhem Holland.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&biw=1024&bih=617&q=zeven&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 21, 2011, 08:58:15 PM
http://www.onspwa.nl/fotogallerij2009.html
Oranje Nassau School & Prins Willem Alexander School
O.N.S. P.W.A. Zeven
2009 Reunion


(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Ariean%20de%20Bie/2009_ArieandeBie_SchoolReunion_18.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Ariean%20de%20Bie/2009_ArieandeBie_SchoolReunion_19.jpg)

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Ariean%20de%20Bie/2009_ArieandeBie_SchoolReunion_20.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Ariean%20de%20Bie/2009_ArieandeBie_SchoolReunion_25.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Ariean%20de%20Bie/2009_ArieandeBie_SchoolReunion_21.jpg)

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http://www.onspwa.nl/gastenboek.php

Google translation:

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Loes van Velzen   30/06/2008 at 8:36:16 p.m.
Hey Aldo,

But we will make of March 28, 2009. If you are in April, everything is already behind us.

Greetings
Loes

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Ed   26/01/2009 at 10:14:33 p.m.
Hi Laurens,
I think many men arrive on Friday and stay in nearby hotels. Friday evening there will be an official meeting at Bowl Inn in Seven. You're welcome!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 21, 2011, 09:21:48 PM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/26777-poentje-castro-a-wordo-lubida-caba.html

Papiamentu translation:

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_thumbs/b.175.125.16777215.0...images.stories.news.2011.januari.jan21.poentje.jpg)

poentje castro owing to wordo forget end?

friday, 21 january 2011 15:33

observadornan is enough preocupa for her situation now some week after of asesinato of poentje castro. diadomingo now is bay make just one month cu the conocido presentador of television owing to wordo achieve in his cura of cas asesina y still neither ministerio publico neither police can come fast y give informacion. niether not have none detencion. at one ocasion one conferencia of prensa owing to wordo organiza where cu none informacion owing to wordo give. in one another ocasion one conferencia of prensa owing to wordo jama y before the conferencia owing to cuminsa this owing to wordo cancela. this assure is bring much question y doubt in we comunidad. is wait for cu the caso here not bay in the conocido "doofpot" (google Dutch translation = "hush")

comentarionan (3) mustra/kita comentarionan come across...

scirbi for azezel, january 21, 2011
let he sosega at paz,y stop of husa media for preciona police,,,,,,,,,laga they make they job,ora have algo of comenta,nan will comenta +11 come across...

scirbi for vera, january 21, 2011
this never will being resolvi as always yet?> +9 come across...

scirbi for mena, january 21, 2011
azezel you are right. at all part of world is famianan they're houdt op de hoogte. not people. people is hanja know instant cu they grab the bad echor. shonnan is as have person is believe cu police and om is sit hand crusa. but do not so ey. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 21, 2011, 09:37:28 PM
Klaas

Do you know if the getagrip site down permanently.  I hope not.

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: klaasend on January 21, 2011, 09:40:26 PM
Klaas

Do you know if the getagrip site down permanently.  I hope not.

Thanks

Janet


Funny you should mention that, I noticed it down as well.  My guess is it's probably permanently down yes.  I could try and email Getagrip but I know she got alot of "crap" for having that blog and translating the articles.  She may have just decided to close it for good.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 21, 2011, 09:52:41 PM
Klaas

Do you know if the getagrip site down permanently.  I hope not.

Thanks

Janet


Funny you should mention that, I noticed it down as well.  My guess is it's probably permanently down yes.  I could try and email Getagrip but I know she got alot of "crap" for having that blog and translating the articles.  She may have just decided to close it for good.

That would be great.  Maybe if you cry ...

A while back I archived many of Getagrip's translated articles from the early days of the Natalee Holloway case but ... it was an overwelming task.  I thought I would take a chance that the site would remain.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: klaasend on January 21, 2011, 09:57:33 PM
Klaas

Do you know if the getagrip site down permanently.  I hope not.

Thanks

Janet


Funny you should mention that, I noticed it down as well.  My guess is it's probably permanently down yes.  I could try and email Getagrip but I know she got alot of "crap" for having that blog and translating the articles.  She may have just decided to close it for good.

That would be great.  Maybe if you cry ...

A while back I archived many of Getagrip's translated articles from the early days of the Natalee Holloway case but ... it was an overwelming task.  I thought I would take a chance that the site would remain.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

I will email her.  In the mean time you can get some of the cached versions of some of her posts still.  Click on the cached link for each:

http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS278&=&q=getagrip&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=#sclient=psy&hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS278&q=getagripmonkey&aq=f&aqi=g-sv1g-o1&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&fp=241062ed1d424d73 (http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS278&=&q=getagrip&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=#sclient=psy&hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS278&q=getagripmonkey&aq=f&aqi=g-sv1g-o1&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&fp=241062ed1d424d73)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 21, 2011, 10:06:27 PM
Klaas

Do you know if the getagrip site down permanently.  I hope not.

Thanks

Janet


Funny you should mention that, I noticed it down as well.  My guess is it's probably permanently down yes.  I could try and email Getagrip but I know she got alot of "crap" for having that blog and translating the articles.  She may have just decided to close it for good.

That would be great.  Maybe if you cry ...

A while back I archived many of Getagrip's translated articles from the early days of the Natalee Holloway case but ... it was an overwelming task.  I thought I would take a chance that the site would remain.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

I will email her.  In the mean time you can get some of the cached versions of some of her posts still.  Click on the cached link for each:

http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS278&=&q=getagrip&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=#sclient=psy&hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS278&q=getagripmonkey&aq=f&aqi=g-sv1g-o1&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&fp=241062ed1d424d73 (http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS278&=&q=getagrip&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=#sclient=psy&hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS278&q=getagripmonkey&aq=f&aqi=g-sv1g-o1&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&fp=241062ed1d424d73)



Thanks.  It definitely is an alternative.  However ... I hope that Gretagrip will reconsider.  I really appreciated the site and all the hard work it represented.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: klaasend on January 21, 2011, 10:17:11 PM
I emailed her and I also started a thread and copied I think all of the cached versions I could find.  The thread is below.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9333.0

Added link to Getagrip thread.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 21, 2011, 10:26:31 PM
http://thetriton.com/article/2011/01/aruba-starts-port-fee

Aruba starts port fee

By Editor
January 21, 2011

Aruba has instituted a new port tax for all yachts, according to a story in St. Maarten’s Daily Herald newspaper.

The Aruba Ports Authority began collecting the so-called port fee from local and visiting yachts in the harbors of Oranjestad and Barcadera on Jan. 1. It is charged based on hours spent in the harbors and must be paid to clear customs.

According to the newspaper, the fee is 17.50 florins ($9.80) an hour from 8 a.m.-4 p.m., 25 florins ($14) an hour from 4 p.m.-8 a.m. (A florin is about 56 U.S. cents.) The port fee must be paid in cash before leaving the harbour.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: klaasend on January 21, 2011, 10:28:31 PM
Thanks 2nj  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 21, 2011, 10:42:44 PM
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/8786169/__Nog_veel_post_voor_Joran__.html?sn=binnenland

Thu January 20, 2011, 09:33 | 143 comments

Still bags of mail for Joran

LIMA - Unlike the other 113 Dutch prisoners in Peru receives Joran van der Sloot monthly sacks full of mail and expensive gifts.

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Joran, who is now seven months stuck in the infamous Castro Castro prison in Lima, Peru, still has a tremendous attraction to admirers. But the post is stuck between a lot of hate mail from the Netherlands, the United States and other corners of the world. "We do not open the mail," said Ambassador Arjan Hamburger against Sp! Ts. "Screening of mail is a task of the prison."
Headaches
The diplomat told newspaper shows that he sometimes sits with Joran in his stomach. "He generates a lot of media attention, which costs us time and it's not good for the relationship between the Netherlands and Peru."


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 22, 2011, 12:04:27 AM
 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 22, 2011, 12:15:02 AM
::MonkeyCool::
::MonkeyShovel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Buckeye on January 22, 2011, 07:00:28 AM
TM
Thanks for the deBie pics.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 22, 2011, 09:39:34 AM
http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Mail-call-a-busy-time-for-van-der-Sloot/-exY3jET_k-KDSWB5XdtbQ.cspx

Mail call a busy time for van der Sloot

Last Update: 6:52 am
         

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Joran van der Sloot and Dutch reporter John van den Heuvel in Peru's Castro Castro prison (de Telegraaf)

The guys on the cell block aren't Joran van der Sloot's only pen pals. Bags of mail arrive at prison for him.

Van der Sloot's been in Peru's Castro Castro prison for seven months awaiting trial on charges he killed a 21 year old Peruvian student he met at a poker tournament.

According to Dutch website hartvannederland  van der Sloot gets daily fan mail from dozens of admirers from around the world. Most letters come from women from the Netherlands and the United States. Some even send expensive gifts in the hope of standing out among all the other envelopes. According to experts, this is a common phenomenon: notorious criminals exert a certain attraction to women.

What's surprising about the van der sloot phenomenon is that it still continues. After his arrest last year there was a flood of mail, including bizarre marriage proposals. And it apparently continues, and continues to be a problem for both the prison and the Dutch embassy in Lima.

The Dutch newspaper SP!TS reports ambassador Arjan Hamburger is not at all happy with the situation. Hamburger told the paper van der Sloot poses a lot of headaches. "He generates a lot of media attention, which costs us time and it is not good for the relationship between the Netherlands and Peru ," he told the free daily newspaper.

The body of Stephany Flores was found in van der Sloot's Lima hotel room. He fled to Chile but was arrested and returned to Peru where to confessed to killing Flores after she found material relating to Natalee Holloway on his laptop.

Van der Sloot is the prime suspect in the disappearance of Holloway on a trip to Aruba with Mountain Brook High School classmates.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 22, 2011, 09:44:49 AM
TM
Thanks for the deBie pics.

You're welcome Buckeye!   ::MonkeyCool::

Keeping in mind that the reunion pictures are four years later, the one in the blue shirt was an eye opener for me. 

The more I look at the pictures, the more convinced I'm becoming that Klaas is right, and the pictures from 2005 that we've believed were Ben King all this time, were not him at all.
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: klaasend on January 22, 2011, 09:59:36 AM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub2/getag.jpg)

Heard back from GETAGRIP!   ::MonkeyDance::  Gmail suspeded her blog because she hadn't logged in in a while.  She does want to keep her site up and it's back up now!  I thanked her for all of us!

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 22, 2011, 10:05:12 AM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub2/getag.jpg)

Heard back from GETAGRIP!   ::MonkeyDance::  Gmail suspeded her blog because she hadn't logged in in a while.  She does want to keep her site up and it's back up now!  I thanked her for all of us!

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/

 ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 22, 2011, 10:14:04 AM
Some articles from December 2007

http://www.korps-politie-suriname.com/nieuws/nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/archief%20nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/2007/2007-12-nieuwsbronnen-internationaal/2007-12-nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal.htm

Google translation:

December 1, 2007

Court bends over objections lawyers

ORANGE CITY - In recent days, Joran van der Sloot interrogated by Aruban and Dutch specialists in the correction Institute Aruba (KIA). There he is deprived of news, TV and internet is banned and there should be no family to visit.

Only certain reading, as the Bible, would be allowed. His lawyer, Ariean de Bie, which may be present at the interrogations, has lodged an objection to these restrictions. This will be announced later in the day a decision is expected by the Common Court of Justice of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba.

It also expects a ruling on the request of the lawyer David Kock & Wix both Deepak and Satish Kalpoe leave to defend, as was the case two years ago. The prosecution, the accused as much as possible from each other to exchange information to prevent.

For this reason, their counsel not of the same law firm may be. The lawyers of different clients may not discuss with each other and their suspects are kept isolated. All three suspects have the same formal status and is not a prime suspect.

Friday is also the most important decision on the extension of the custody of the Kalpoe brothers with a period of eight days. This is determined by the judge. About fellow suspect Joran van der Sloot was already announced earlier this week that his detention was extended. Friday next week considering he is sixty days longer be held.



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December 4, 2007

Parents Holloway hour long conversation with OM Aruba

(http://www.korps-politie-suriname.com/nieuws/nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/archief%20nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/2007/2007-12-nieuwsbronnen-internationaal/12-03-satish.jpg)
Satish Kalpoe leaves the police station in Shaba

ORANGE CITY - The parents of the missing American Natalee Holloway, Beth Reynolds (Twitty) and Dave Holloway, Saturday hours have been met with both justice and police.

The content of the conversations are not being disclosed. Same day were the two brothers Deepak (24) and Satish (21) Kalpoe home again.

The two co-defendants of Joran van der Sloot (20) - all three, they are still suspected of the murder of Natalee Holloway - were dismissed one by one from their custody. Satish was half past three to the doors of the police station in Shaba (North) and one hour later, Deepak from that of North.

(http://www.korps-politie-suriname.com/nieuws/nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/archief%20nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/2007/2007-12-nieuwsbronnen-internationaal/12-03-deepak.jpg)
Deepak Kalpoe gets in the car after he was released from custody.

The Public Prosecution Service has now announced to appeal against the decision to release the two again. The examining magistrate had Friday expressed his reservations about extending the remand.

Against all three suspects - including Van der Sloot is - remain serious suspicions, but not enough to maintain the detention of the two Kalpoe brothers.

The lawyer of Joran van der Sloot, Ariean de Bie, thinks his client based on the record as also released. Suspected that there is not really more material than the 12.5 pages of evidence last week was given to lawyers.

"I marvel at the incredible self-confidence of the investigators in Aruba have evidence that they have in the Holloway case," said De Bie, after it became known that the Kalpoe home-scions were. For the lawyer will not be difficult to defend the case for the court. "Well a lot of effort, because the file is big."

De Bie counsel believes that the OM is still not in the research is successful. Especially the American side of things, he said, totally neglected. "Natalee Holloway has a very active mother and stepfather as an arms dealer who apparently has contacts in the White House. The FBI questioned a bit in America but not dug deep enough. There are many questions about it. "(Daily Herald)

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December 8, 2007

Joran van der Sloot again Fri

(http://www.korps-politie-suriname.com/nieuws/nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/archief%20nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/2007/2007-12-nieuwsbronnen-internationaal/12-07-front1.jpg)
Joran van der Sloot in the car with his father Paul, KIA after Joran left at quarter past two this afternoon, was released. Photo: Julia Renfro

ORANGE CITY-Joran van der Sloot was this afternoon - after the close of this edition - released from the correction Institute Aruba (KIA) where he was stuck again on November 24 on suspicion of manslaughter in 2005 in the U.S. school student Natalee Holloway.

The examining magistrate today rejected a request from the prosecution for an extension of his remand off.

Like the brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, who all were released last Saturday, the magistrate had his reservations on the basis of the current criminal file. The "new evidence" from which it justified the extension and making the 20-year-old Joran at least 60 days longer in prison should have stayed, proved not enough.

(http://www.korps-politie-suriname.com/nieuws/nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/archief%20nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/2007/2007-12-nieuwsbronnen-internationaal/12-07-joran-vrij-2005.jpg)

In 2005, the Joran van Sloot at liberty long after he had spent in custody. He was then greeted outside by his parents Paul and Anita van der Sloot. What was going on that afternoon, after closing of this newspaper was not yet known.

The Public Prosecutor (OM), the decision "somewhat expected" this week when the brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe were allowed to go home.

"The dossier for Joran was the same as for two other suspects," commented Hans Mos, chief prosecutor. "The decision provides food for thought on a final decision." Soon, at least for December 31, he takes a decision or he terminates the case or proceed to prosecute the suspects.

Occupation pointless

By deciding this week to the Common Court of Justice - rejected the appeal against the release of the Kalpoe brothers - the OM is an appeal against the opinion of the magistrate 'useless'.

So far there is no direct evidence that Holloway was killed by violence. Justice admits that there is no body was found, but does not consider this an obstacle to achieving a conviction. According to lawyer Ariean De Bie, Joran's parents are relieved and happy about the release of their son.

Embarrassment

The news about the release of Joran, who returned two weeks from his home in the Netherlands was transmitted via Curacao to Aruba, was immediately seen and heard everywhere. Generally, the idea that a "descent" for the Aruban Public Prosecutor's Office, headed by Deputy Attorney General Nico Jörg and Prosecutor Mos.

It is the second time that Joran is at liberty made. Also in 2005, when Natalee Holloway disappeared late May, he sat a long time in custody. After his release two years ago, he picked up the thread of his life and went to study in the Netherlands.

Joran and the Kalpoe brothers were arrested Nov. 21 because of "new evidence" that a research team of Dutch and Aruban investigators surfaced this year would have met. Joran was this in the Dutch city of Arnhem, held in September 2005 where he was studying, just for the first time after he was freed in Holloway case.

He sits down when almost three months as main accused, inter alia, rape and murder of American teenager. After over one year of reasonable anonymity, the arrest last month came as a big, unpleasant surprise for Joran. Similarly for the Kalpoe brothers. The lawyers however, immediately put their doubts to the 'new facts' on which it is the arrest of the trio had demanded.

It soon became apparent that this 'new' evidence submitted was based on revision of the old file. Indicators that just after the beginning of the disappearance were insufficient or not chosen, such as telephone taps, were reexamined. Attorneys for the Kalpoe brothers were soon known that the new evidence is nevertheless no more than 12 pages that included also 90 percent-95 age would be evidence. "

The prosecution now trying at all costs to keep apart the suspects to prevent them again would make up a coherent story, as with their first arrest happened two years ago. Since their arrest, they were also directly questioned intensively and face particularly contradictory statements they had previously made.

It is not known whether these have any interrogations have been performed successfully. For the magistrate was "indirect" proof it's not enough so that after 17 days the last suspect in the Holloway case is set again at liberty. (Daily Herald)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

December 19, 2007

Search by Holloway put

A team of experts, the search for the missing teen Natalee Holloway in Aruba put through despite the decision of Justice to the case against the suspects to close for lack of evidence.
Around the island Wednesday a special American research ship began scanning the seafloor. The arrival of the boat Persistence is confirmed by Tim Miller of Texas Equuesearch (TES), an organization that tracks down missing Americans that if the authorities give up.

The ship has already announced one month ago by Dave Holloway, Natalee's father, but was delayed by last week including Tropical Storm Olga in the Caribbean.

Detectors

The Persistence can search up to three kilometers deep, unlike the previous one hundred meters from the sea in search for Holloway. The experts have made that 'the best detectors on the planet "on board. The cost per day for the study would amount to one hundred thousand dollars and are covered by donations.

The Public Ministry has distanced itself from the private search. This dissatisfaction to the lawyer of Joran van der Sloot, Ariean de Bie, who fears that without control might have to be fabricated evidence. "They would be able to impose such a handbag." (Reuters)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 22, 2011, 10:15:59 AM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub2/getag.jpg)

Heard back from GETAGRIP!   ::MonkeyDance::  Gmail suspeded her blog because she hadn't logged in in a while.  She does want to keep her site up and it's back up now!  I thanked her for all of us!

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/

 ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 22, 2011, 10:18:15 AM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub2/getag.jpg)

Heard back from GETAGRIP!   ::MonkeyDance::  Gmail suspeded her blog because she hadn't logged in in a while.  She does want to keep her site up and it's back up now!  I thanked her for all of us!

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/
::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer2::

GREAT NEWS!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 22, 2011, 10:34:34 AM
http://www.korps-politie-suriname.com/nieuws/nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/archief%20nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/2007/2007-12-nieuwsbronnen-internationaal/2007-12-nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal.htm

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De Bie counsel believes that the OM is still not in the research is successful. Especially the American side of things, he said, totally neglected. "Natalee Holloway has a very active mother and stepfather as an arms dealer who apparently has contacts in the White House. The FBI questioned a bit in America but not dug deep enough. There are many questions about it. "

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http://cdn.radionetherlands.nl/data/files/imagecache/must_carry/images/lead/dsc_0073_0.jpg

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 22, 2011, 10:38:15 AM
http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/26798-sospechonan-peligroso-busca-pa-polis.html

Papiamentu translation:

sospechosonan dangerous busca for police

friday, 21 january 2011 22:10

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_thumbs/b.175.125.16777215.0...images.stories.news.2011.januari.jan21.wanted.sospechosonan1.jpg)

ministerio publico today tardi owing to saca one peticion in cual is ask publico provided that general for help cu informacion y tip for police can succeed detene two young. both boy have one list of acusacion in they contra, among another the ultimo caso of tiramento on one cas at coba mud. is considera they all two because; dangerous, because they're conoci for is carga arm of candela. the first sospechoso cu police is buscando is the young jonathan jean-pierre krozendijk, naci at aruba day 14 of december 1989, y live at angochi # 11 at santa cruz. the another sospechoso is luis miguel alcantara sena, naci at republica dominicana day 25 of feburary 1986 y live at santa lucia # 9 at santa cruz. police is ask one y all cu will can know algo of paradero of the two hobennan here, cu will can know where they're sconde, for calling tipline of police at number 11141 or calling keep of police of santa cruz via number 105.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 22, 2011, 05:07:16 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub2/getag.jpg)

Heard back from GETAGRIP!   ::MonkeyDance::  Gmail suspeded her blog because she hadn't logged in in a while.  She does want to keep her site up and it's back up now!  I thanked her for all of us!

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 22, 2011, 05:11:22 PM
http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/26798-sospechonan-peligroso-busca-pa-polis.html

Papiamentu translation:

sospechosonan dangerous busca for police

friday, 21 january 2011 22:10

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ministerio publico today tardi owing to saca one peticion in cual is ask publico provided that general for help cu informacion y tip for police can succeed detene two young. both boy have one list of acusacion in they contra, among another the ultimo caso of tiramento on one cas at coba mud. is considera they all two because; dangerous, because they're conoci for is carga arm of candela. the first sospechoso cu police is buscando is the young jonathan jean-pierre krozendijk, naci at aruba day 14 of december 1989, y live at angochi # 11 at santa cruz. the another sospechoso is luis miguel alcantara sena, naci at republica dominicana day 25 of feburary 1986 y live at santa lucia # 9 at santa cruz. police is ask one y all cu will can know algo of paradero of the two hobennan here, cu will can know where they're sconde, for calling tipline of police at number 11141 or calling keep of police of santa cruz via number 105.

http://amigoenieuws.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2170:politie-zoekt-verdachten-schietpartij&catid=108:artikelen-aruba&Itemid=199

Google translation:

Police looking for shooting suspects

Saturday, 22 January 2011 6:33 p.m.

ORANGE CITY - The Public Prosecutor (OM) and the police ask for help from the public for two suspects can be conducted. Jonathan Jean-Pierre Krozendijk, born in Aruba on December 14, 1989, 1911 and residing in Angochi Luis Miguel Alcantara Sena, born in the Dominican Republic on February 25, 1986 and living in Santa Lucia 9 both have a litany of suspicions. Thus they were going through the Public suspected of involvement in a shooting in Coba Lodo. Krozendijk Alcantara as well by the authorities to dangerous firearms. Anyone who is aware of what these guys are hiding can anonymously call the police through the tiplijn 11141 or to the police station at Santa Cruz through 105.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 22, 2011, 06:05:07 PM
http://www.amigoenieuws.com/PDF%20amigoearu/22-01-2011a.pdf

Google translation:

Lack of witnesses
difficult case


ORANGE CITY - The treatment of the lawsuit OB to the man who is suspected in 2010 his cousin Jimmy Webb to have assaulted with a baseball bat, has been postponed until next week. The Court had last Friday morning and the whole noon necessary for witnesses. The handling of the case is difficult because apart from the perpetrator and the victim, no one incident witnessing

Testimonies focus exclusively on the relationship between defendant B., and the victim. This
relationship is not good, as witnesses reported. Webb and B. Would have been a fight last year after Webb had carried out repairs to the car of his cousin and B. but not paid for this received. The witnesses say that the quarrel had risen so high that threatened to B. the mechanic with a baseball bat to beat.

Still other witnesses were able to report that B indeed have seen a bat walk. The main explanation, the judge said, is that of a child at the moment of abuse in the played nearby. The child the violence has not seen, Webb says it is to have heard screaming. Short others found them victim seriously injured on.

Webb months have to recover. At first he could not speak, regarding the examination Police somewhat difficult. Today he sits in a wheelchair. B. the charges against him are denied.

In continuation of the case next week, will The court has a witness hear. Also, the prosecution asked the magistrate to concrete to present evidence. On Currently it is too unclear on what exactly happened Feb. 11, 2010, said the judge.

Next week is also B. defense of hearing.  And also, the Public Ministry than her sentence demanded submission.

http://www.amigoenieuws.com/PDF%20amigoearu/21-01-2011a.pdf

Google translation:

Hospital denies negligence
Two hospital patients
infected with MRSA


ORANGE CITY - The very infectious MSRA bacterium has recently again arisen in the Horacio Oduber Hospital (HOH). A patient who was recorded, carried according to the hospital the bacteria themselves. The patient was immediately to sent home for further contamination.

Nevertheless, further investigation showed that a Another patient was already infected. The infection took place on the third floor of the hospital. In several media suggested that the hospital negligence acted to further contamination.  Director Arnoud Boesten denies that: "Each case of the bacteria MRSA in our hospital occurs, is properly treated, according to Dutch standards that we account. "The hospital also assures that everything is done to the facilities to uncontaminated account. That does not mean that '100 percent ' can prevent the bacterium increases comes in, says HOH. "The It's not so much about that we ensure that it enters, but rather the reaction when we see it's there. "Boes says further that the hospital 'Dutch' policy not only export because of concern for patients but also to properly protect workers. That means that the staff of the contaminated section was tested.  Besides the two patients However, no further contamination lake. 

MRSA is a bacterium that resistant to many antibiotics can be especially is.Het dangerous to people who are already ill or people who have open wounds or have skin conditions.  People can also are carrying the bacteria without becoming ill and again just lose. Infection is often physically contact, especially via the hands.


OM is
agents continue


ORANGE CITY - The two agents who were arrested Jan. 14 on suspicion of mistreatment of a prisoner be prosecuted. The two are also it released yesterday. Off The investigation revealed that there is currently no longer grounds for the pre-trial detention , "commented the Public Prosecutor (OM).

The officers remain suspended and should therefore before the court justify the mistreatment of a suspect destruction on January 9 at the Renaissance Mall Oranjestad. Also, the agents, R.E.P. and R.A.J.R., suspicious forgery.  They would under the minutes of boarding another report have done what's on January 9 had lived.  Both agents were then arrested following the declaration by the prisoner, the medical report (of which the prisoner injured touched, red) and the camera images of the incident, so let the Public know.


Compensation for
incorrect publication


ORANGE CITY - The Court morning paper Diario have ordered to pay compensation to lawyer M. Croes, because of incorrect reporting on the counsel.  The lawyer receives 3000 florins, with interest from May 28 2008. The newspaper had written that in December 2007 the lawyer widely fraud was committed with a proxy for this and also found had been. But this accusation she could not argue in court. The Court held that the serious accusations and suggested that if the newspaper could not proofs, publication not have been necessary.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 22, 2011, 09:55:32 PM
Since Kyle Kingman's own words were revealed on a public forum two years ago ... words regarding his concerns encompassing the trap which was discovered in Aruban waters during the 2007 Persistence endeavor ... I have been and continue to be on a mission not to allow this aspect of the Natalee Holloway to become a faded memory ... a non-issue.  My focus is unwavering.

Kyle shared what he perceived as a furthering of the Aruban cover up agenda by John Silvetti when what may have been Natalee's remains was afforded unchallenged to the Aruban enemy ... the Aruban enemy that has prevented justice from prevailing since May 30, 2005.  I consider this revelation by one of the project leads on Persistence huge when I consider the family.
 
It is my firm belief that justice for Natalee will never be forthcoming out of Aruba ... the implications are too far reaching.  The exposure of those who participated on the morning of May 30, 2005 in the events encompassing the demise of an American citizen and ... the exposure of those within the corrupt Aruban investigation who were one with the cover up agenda ... would bring down the Aruban house of cards.  Therefore ... the family must be afforded the opportunity to bring Natalee home to rest on American soil.  A measure of closure could then be embraced.

Pressure was brought on the FBI to investigate an alleged injustice against an American citizen in Aruban waters.  Considering an outcome of an investigation has not been forthcoming ... could it be that jurisdictional and/or political issues imply that Natalee Holloway does not and will not have an advocate within the American administration.

I contend that other avenues of exposure must be explored.

Janet

++++++

Absolutely Disturbed

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words


Kyle Kingman:  If I didn't believe in what I witnessed and what I found, I wouldn't have shared it with anyone, especially on the net.  If I wasn't absolutely disturbed at how things turned out because of the project leads and corrupt officials I would NEVER have taken any action on my own.

Kermit - Scared Monkeys

 
The FBI

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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #739 3/3 -
« Reply #79 on: March 03, 2008, 05:47:47 PM  »


I sent these 6 screen shots to the FBI and the FBI only.
 
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360047#msg360047


Jurisdiction?

NANCY GRACE
Judge Dismisses Holloway Suit
Aired August 11, 2006 - 20:00:00   ET


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: Well, the facts still remain that those are the last suspects known to be seen with Natalee alive. And everybody knows of their repeated lies that they told the authorities, even their father, Paulus Van Der Sloot. That`s why he was arrested. There was a reason that he was arrested in Natalee`s disappearance. It was not unwarranted whatsoever.

And you know -- and being dismissed in New York, it was on a procedure ruling.  Here again, jurisdiction.  We have faced that issue since May 30 of 2005.  Jurisdiction and extradition hve hit us in the face every time.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0608/11/ng.01.html

 
Homeland Security?
 
Does Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez have his Eye on Aruba? Talk about bad for their Economy
Posted February 23, 2007 by Scared Monkeys

 
If anyone wants to wonder why the US government never got more involved in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and why they did not take Aruba to task, they need only to look to the unstable leader of Venezuela for their answer. Hugo’s actions directly affect American's homeland security decisions.

Red - Scared Monkeys

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/02/23/does-venezuelan-president-hugo-chavez-have-his-eye-on-aruba-talk-about-bad-for-their-economy/






 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 22, 2011, 10:06:58 PM
Natalee Holloway's Stepfather

Beth and I have been through this emotional roller coaster. And all we want is Natalee, whether she's alive or dead.  We want to bring her back to the United States, and they can do whatever they want to do.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8551824/

 
Natalee Holloway's Mother

We cannot forget to demand and expect to have Natalee. Natalee deserves to return to her country. She deserves it, and everyone knows it, every single person. Every single person knows that. They know it.

 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8485029/



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: kkthy on January 22, 2011, 10:37:01 PM
Watching the movie about Natalee on LMN...this the first time I'm seeing it and I'm a mess! My stomach hurts so bad.

pb

Still standing with the girl

I recorded the Natalee movie last night so that I can watch it this weekend.  I'll make sure I have a nice quiet time to watch it.

I recorded the Natalee Holloway movie and watched it today. :(  So sad... and breaks your heart.  It followed Beth's story/talk that I went to a week or so ago.  Her talk had more details but seeing the movie really added such an emotional piece.  I can't even imagine how Beth has found the strength all these years. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 22, 2011, 11:35:45 PM
Just wanted to say God Bless to BillB, Lifesong, Hotping, BlueMoon, Jen3560, Kermit, and Rob. Hope all is well in your respective worlds! A journey such as justice is never an easy one, but one that needs to be taken in light of the injustices that occur around the world every day, to people that are unsuspecting of the dangers that changed the course of their lives as well as their mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, grandmothers, grandfathers, cousins, and friends that were closest to them. Justice may not be coming in the time, or the fashion that I'd like, I trust that the ultimate arbiter of justice, has it all under control. I'll KeepTheFaith, as it's never steered me wrong! A BIG Thank you to Scared Monkeys, Klaasend, 2nj, San, Muffy, and all other silent contributors to keeping hope and faith alive for all those without voices. The journey continues.....................TICK_TOCK

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 22, 2011, 11:48:06 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 23, 2011, 12:50:23 AM
THE PERSISTENCE

The Recovery Dive

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
  For Jan 7th, Eduardo wasn't on the boat, neither were any media, Tim Miller, or Tim Trahan.

Kyle Kingman: The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.

Kyle Kingman:  Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF

Kyle Kingman: In my opinion, the blue fabric is quite possibly Natalee's skirt. The divers found the denim where I suggested a week earlier (Dec 29th) to Tim Miller that there was likely Natalee's denim skirt under the sand. Also in my opinion, the deni-like fabric is a match in terms of color, quantity, and structure to Natalee's skirt.

Kyle Kingman: The fabric(s?) are not visible on either the Dec 29th or 30th dives. There is about an inch of sand over the fabrics. The fabrics are completely covered. The diver sampled the sand and found the fabric underneath the sand. He then bagged the blue fabric. If the other bag contains fabric, it was also in the sand.

Kyle Kingman:  The bags were removed just after the ROV got out of the way when the divers took the samples to their boat.... and took off.

Kyle Kingman: They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th.

Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 23, 2011, 12:56:39 AM
Evidence for the Arubans to Destroy

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
« Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM »


If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245;topicseen#msg372245


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 23, 2011, 01:12:33 AM
Parable of the Lamp

Mark 4:21-23

Then Jesus asked them, “Would anyone light a lamp and then put it under a basket or under a bed? Of course not! A lamp is placed on a stand, where its light will shine.  For everything that is hidden will eventually be brought into the open, and every secret will be brought to light.  Anyone with ears to hear should listen and understand.”


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: carpe noctem on January 23, 2011, 02:04:31 AM
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I do believe, if one of those Dutch cheek smackers ever tried to give me a kissy...

I would call in an elbow strike somewhere in from Alabama all the way down to Miami. (it would be a non-stop flight, of course.)

I would smash that chit cross wise, temple to nose, for maximum impact.

Then hand him a gift wrapped box that he could keep his detached nose in.

The tissue in the wrapped box comes in handy! ...if he should ever need to find

it and want to blow it, again.
"I'm gonna FINISH HIM." - Patrick Van der eem
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: carpe noctem on January 23, 2011, 02:10:34 AM
Just wanted to say God Bless to BillB, Lifesong, Hotping, BlueMoon, Jen3560, Kermit, and Rob. Hope all is well in your respective worlds! A journey such as justice is never an easy one, but one that needs to be taken in light of the injustices that occur around the world every day, to people that are unsuspecting of the dangers that changed the course of their lives as well as their mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, grandmothers, grandfathers, cousins, and friends that were closest to them. Justice may not be coming in the time, or the fashion that I'd like, I trust that the ultimate arbiter of justice, has it all under control. I'll KeepTheFaith, as it's never steered me wrong! A BIG Thank you to Scared Monkeys, Klaasend, 2nj, San, Muffy, and all other silent contributors to keeping hope and faith alive for all those without voices. The journey continues.....................TICK_TOCK

::MonkeyAngel::

Keep it goin', KeepTheFaith. The journey continues and we will all be here until the last day to get the mission accomplished. You can take that to the BANK.

(Just don't let Joran know which bank or what the account number is) ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 23, 2011, 02:21:38 AM
Just wanted to say God Bless to BillB, Lifesong, Hotping, BlueMoon, Jen3560, Kermit, and Rob. Hope all is well in your respective worlds! A journey such as justice is never an easy one, but one that needs to be taken in light of the injustices that occur around the world every day, to people that are unsuspecting of the dangers that changed the course of their lives as well as their mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, grandmothers, grandfathers, cousins, and friends that were closest to them. Justice may not be coming in the time, or the fashion that I'd like, I trust that the ultimate arbiter of justice, has it all under control. I'll KeepTheFaith, as it's never steered me wrong! A BIG Thank you to Scared Monkeys, Klaasend, 2nj, San, Muffy, and all other silent contributors to keeping hope and faith alive for all those without voices. The journey continues.....................TICK_TOCK

::MonkeyAngel::

Keep it goin', KeepTheFaith. The journey continues and we will all be here until the last day to get the mission accomplished. You can take that to the BANK.

(Just don't let Joran know which bank or what the account number is) ::MonkeyHaHa::

God Bless Carpe! Stay away from the cheek smackers or those who tend to live around the Cahulawassee River... ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: carpe noctem on January 23, 2011, 02:30:24 AM
Just wanted to say God Bless to BillB, Lifesong, Hotping, BlueMoon, Jen3560, Kermit, and Rob. Hope all is well in your respective worlds! A journey such as justice is never an easy one, but one that needs to be taken in light of the injustices that occur around the world every day, to people that are unsuspecting of the dangers that changed the course of their lives as well as their mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, grandmothers, grandfathers, cousins, and friends that were closest to them. Justice may not be coming in the time, or the fashion that I'd like, I trust that the ultimate arbiter of justice, has it all under control. I'll KeepTheFaith, as it's never steered me wrong! A BIG Thank you to Scared Monkeys, Klaasend, 2nj, San, Muffy, and all other silent contributors to keeping hope and faith alive for all those without voices. The journey continues.....................TICK_TOCK

::MonkeyAngel::

Keep it goin', KeepTheFaith. The journey continues and we will all be here until the last day to get the mission accomplished. You can take that to the BANK.

(Just don't let Joran know which bank or what the account number is) ::MonkeyHaHa::

God Bless Carpe! Stay away from the cheek smackers or those who tend to live around the Cahulawassee River... ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Squeeeeeeel like a little piggy for me, boy. ::piggy::

------------

I went to light Natalee 2 more candles because I haven't been by in about a week.

It was a great surprise to find out, someone was filling out candles for Natalee and
forging my name to it. In the special message section, the SUB-HUMAN DNA CONTAINER
typed "Twitty's are going down down down."

The sloot poe supporters are pretty sick in the head. They show it everyday with each new action. Technically, they are already dead - they just didn't get the memo yet.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 23, 2011, 02:40:11 AM
I think there is a lot to be said about the MONEY TRAIL that floats around the periphery of the Natalee Holloway rape and murder. Until this day, there are people, if that's what you'd call them, who choose to represent the Leprechauns. I guess you could say that I find that extremely peculiar, for some reason. I wouldn't think, nor do I believe, that someone would represent someone for free. Would someone work On a Contingency basis? For how long without a penny? So, as a wise frog once told me. Follow the money! It has to come from somewhere, right?


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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 23, 2011, 02:46:16 AM
Just wanted to say God Bless to BillB, Lifesong, Hotping, BlueMoon, Jen3560, Kermit, and Rob. Hope all is well in your respective worlds! A journey such as justice is never an easy one, but one that needs to be taken in light of the injustices that occur around the world every day, to people that are unsuspecting of the dangers that changed the course of their lives as well as their mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, grandmothers, grandfathers, cousins, and friends that were closest to them. Justice may not be coming in the time, or the fashion that I'd like, I trust that the ultimate arbiter of justice, has it all under control. I'll KeepTheFaith, as it's never steered me wrong! A BIG Thank you to Scared Monkeys, Klaasend, 2nj, San, Muffy, and all other silent contributors to keeping hope and faith alive for all those without voices. The journey continues.....................TICK_TOCK

::MonkeyAngel::

Keep it goin', KeepTheFaith. The journey continues and we will all be here until the last day to get the mission accomplished. You can take that to the BANK.

(Just don't let Joran know which bank or what the account number is) ::MonkeyHaHa::

God Bless Carpe! Stay away from the cheek smackers or those who tend to live around the Cahulawassee River... ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Squeeeeeeel like a little piggy for me, boy. ::piggy::

------------

I went to light Natalee 2 more candles because I haven't been by in about a week.

It was a great surprise to find out, someone was filling out candles for Natalee and
forging my name to it. In the special message section, the SUB-HUMAN DNA CONTAINER
typed "Twitty's are going down down down."

The sloot poe supporters are pretty sick in the head. They show it everyday with each new action. Technically, they are already dead - they just didn't get the memo yet.



I woke up the other night laughing really hard because I had a dream that Joran was squealing like a pig in Castro Castro while his next door neighbor, the Hit man, was playing a banjo all the while!  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: yuknomenot on January 23, 2011, 03:06:35 AM
Keepthefaith and carpe noctem  ::monkeywine2::  what you and the others do here is amazing!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 23, 2011, 03:53:08 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY & STEPHANY FLORES

GOOD NIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 23, 2011, 09:57:30 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY & STEPHANY FLORES

GOOD NIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 23, 2011, 10:50:12 AM
Just wanted to say God Bless to BillB, Lifesong, Hotping, BlueMoon, Jen3560, Kermit, and Rob. Hope all is well in your respective worlds! A journey such as justice is never an easy one, but one that needs to be taken in light of the injustices that occur around the world every day, to people that are unsuspecting of the dangers that changed the course of their lives as well as their mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, grandmothers, grandfathers, cousins, and friends that were closest to them. Justice may not be coming in the time, or the fashion that I'd like, I trust that the ultimate arbiter of justice, has it all under control. I'll KeepTheFaith, as it's never steered me wrong! A BIG Thank you to Scared Monkeys, Klaasend, 2nj, San, Muffy, and all other silent contributors to keeping hope and faith alive for all those without voices. The journey continues.....................TICK_TOCK

::MonkeyAngel::

Keep it goin', KeepTheFaith. The journey continues and we will all be here until the last day to get the mission accomplished. You can take that to the BANK.

(Just don't let Joran know which bank or what the account number is) ::MonkeyHaHa::

God Bless Carpe! Stay away from the cheek smackers or those who tend to live around the Cahulawassee River... ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Squeeeeeeel like a little piggy for me, boy. ::piggy::

------------

I went to light Natalee 2 more candles because I haven't been by in about a week.

It was a great surprise to find out, someone was filling out candles for Natalee and
forging my name to it. In the special message section, the SUB-HUMAN DNA CONTAINER
typed "Twitty's are going down down down."

The sloot poe supporters are pretty sick in the head. They show it everyday with each new action. Technically, they are already dead - they just didn't get the memo yet.



texasmom brought to our attention a while back that Natalee's Candles were being used improperly and with disrespect.  We contacted the web admin there and it was addressed by deleting the entries.  Unfortunately, these idiots can't be blocked.  Thanks for mentioning it, Carpe.  Let God sort them out.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 23, 2011, 11:56:42 AM
We Never Stood a Chance

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 189:
   It's the proverbial, Biblical conflict between good and evil.  It's very, very hard to fight evil because it constantly changes form and you never know who your enemies are.  And evil is always two steps ahead. From the outset we never had a chance.  But we didn't know it.

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LOVING NATALEE
A MOTHER'S TESTAMENT OF HOPE AND FAITH
By Beth Holloway


ISBN: 9780061452277
ISBN10: 0061452270
Imprint: HarperOne
On Sale: 10/2/2007


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: San on January 23, 2011, 12:02:01 PM
Just wanted to say God Bless to BillB, Lifesong, Hotping, BlueMoon, Jen3560, Kermit, and Rob. Hope all is well in your respective worlds! A journey such as justice is never an easy one, but one that needs to be taken in light of the injustices that occur around the world every day, to people that are unsuspecting of the dangers that changed the course of their lives as well as their mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, grandmothers, grandfathers, cousins, and friends that were closest to them. Justice may not be coming in the time, or the fashion that I'd like, I trust that the ultimate arbiter of justice, has it all under control. I'll KeepTheFaith, as it's never steered me wrong! A BIG Thank you to Scared Monkeys, Klaasend, 2nj, San, Muffy, and all other silent contributors to keeping hope and faith alive for all those without voices. The journey continues.....................TICK_TOCK

::MonkeyAngel::

Thank you and everyone else for their dedication in seeking Justice for Natalee.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 23, 2011, 05:23:30 PM
THE PERSISTENCE FIND

Solely Richardson

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
  I had questions which were very unsettling about what I had observed during the search including the events surrounding the trap inspection by the Aruban divers and how the samples were handled by ALE - solely Richardson. This made me very uneasy,

Kyle Kingman:    Richardson was very quick to dismiss the trap as case-relevant. Richardson was insisting that we keep looking FAR out to sea in very deep water.  He was the one briefing the ALE divers on how to handle the site.  He was the one who handled all the evidence that came out of the water.  He was the one who admits to personally sending the fabric sample to the FBI for testing.

Kermit - Scared Monkeys


Surely I am Wrong

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 -
« Reply #559 on: March 01, 2008, 04:08:07 PM »


I hope that the Persistence has not done all of this work and gone to all of this expense only to have gotten itself into an arrangement whereby Aruban divers are the ones who actually verify the targets and are the first ones to physically retrieve evidence, with no American divers physically with them. If so, all I can say is I just can't believe this has happened. But surely I am wrong.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg358435#msg358435


Irresponsible Investigating

private eye
Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #686 on: March 13, 2008, 06:38:07 PM »


But sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine. ....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#msg364750



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 23, 2011, 06:34:51 PM
JOHN SILVETTI

Did the project lead of the Persistence have a conflict of interest ... a confict of interest that implied he would become a participant in the Aruban cover up agenda that had denied justice to Natalee Holloway and ... closure for her family since May 30, 2005?

Janet

+++++

He had Plans

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
  John definitely believed the Arubans at their every word when they said on Dec 30th that it was nothing case relevant.

Kyle Kingman: John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

Kermit - Scared Monkeys


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Sharon/Tx on January 23, 2011, 06:53:59 PM
"Kyle Kingman:  John definitely believed the Arubans at their every word when they said on Dec 30th that it was nothing case relevant."

Why is it that anything that was something is never "case relevant" in this case with these people?!  ::MonkeyMad::

Happy New Year Monkeys!  I've been super busy but reading every page!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 23, 2011, 07:10:51 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8176.msg1176414#msg1176414

Quote
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Meet Taylor Brown the winner of the weekend package for the Aruba Soul Beach Music Festival. Enjoy it Taylor!

Added May 28

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He's of Joran's biggest supporters on Facebook.  Along with Guiding Light and Aline Hibbert.

He "likes" everything he and others post, lol. 

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/Social%20Pages/07012010_JoransFBwall.jpg)


http://news.visitaruba.com/news/do/dispatch/view/id/1293/manageArticle.html

Miss Massachusetts, Brittany Burgess, Relaxes At Tierra Del Sol

Posted on: 07/12/2007
By Rona Coster

Tierra del Sol – Miss Massachusetts, Brittany Burgess, is seen here in our pictures relaxing at Tierra del Sol country club, just prior to the Miss International pageant which will take place in Chicago, July 27. The gorgeous 19-year old, she is a student at Merrimack College, Andover, reports she wished to relax and work on her natural tan, and what better place than Aruba.

Parents Andrea and Dave Burgess have been bringing the family to Tierra del Sol for the past 11 years, always staying in one of the golf course’s private custom homes. Joining Brittany here is her younger sister Leighandra and her friend Chelsea, all from Dracut, Massachusetts.

Last year, Brittany made headlines as a senior with an interest in photography, attending Dracut high school. She captured the humorous image of three curious residents at Aruba’s Donkey Sanctuary, entered her work in the Boston Globe Show 2006, and won an honorable mention in the national Scholastic Art Award, conducted by the Alliance for Young Artists & Writers.

Pictured here Brittany, at the club house at Tierra del Sol with her parents Dave & Andrea Burgess, sister Leighandra Burgess, and Chelsea, accompanied by Tierra del Sol Managing Director Ann Brown and her son Taylor Brown. Dave and Andrea Burgess love Aruba, and are always pleased to return, opening their vacation home to friends and neighbors, drop in for a drink, they say!

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 23, 2011, 07:26:19 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/Taylor%20Brown/DavidBrownTierradelSol2010.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/Taylor%20Brown/01232011_TaylorBrownFBProfile.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/Taylor%20Brown/TaylorBrown_DateDotCom1.jpg)

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 23, 2011, 07:32:54 PM
JOHN SILVETTI

Did the project lead of the Persistence have a conflict of interest ... a confict of interest that implied he would become a participant in the Aruban cover up agenda that had denied justice to Natalee Holloway and ... closure for her family since May 30, 2005?

Janet

+++++

He had Plans

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
  John definitely believed the Arubans at their every word when they said on Dec 30th that it was nothing case relevant.

Kyle Kingman: John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

Kermit - Scared Monkeys

I was Ignored

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
  I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.

Kermit - Scared Monkeys


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 23, 2011, 07:35:27 PM
http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/26825-persona-seriamente-herida-na-altura-di-natural-bridge.html

Papiamentu translation:

lady owing to cay cu quadracer y abide much sla

sunday, 23 january 2011 13:54

one lady of surname solognier but of edad relativamente young was envolvi in one accidente today afternoon at height of natural bridge. for one or another motibo, past owing to lose control on his quadracer, cay downstairs for of one zero y owing to fractura leg, hand, saca schouder for of luga, truma at cabes y heup. cu helicopter owing to transport'e for hospital at where doctor was sperando on dje end for brinda asistencia medico. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 23, 2011, 07:46:07 PM
"Kyle Kingman:  John definitely believed the Arubans at their every word when they said on Dec 30th that it was nothing case relevant."

Why is it that anything that was something is never "case relevant" in this case with these people?!  ::MonkeyMad::

Happy New Year Monkeys!  I've been super busy but reading every page!

Happy New Year Sharon/Tx.

Currently ... I am anticipating two event:

1.  The ruling of the 4th judge in the Stephany Flores case as it relates to Joran van der Sloot's confession.

2.  The outcome of the defamation lawsuit brought against Phil Mcgraw by Deepak and Satish Kalpoe.

Considering the 5 year roller coaster we have been on while following the Natalee Holloway case ... I do not have a good feel about either outcome.  However ... I will be rejoicing if I am wrong.

I hope you are having a good Sunday.  I am.  Any day is a good day when I do not have to cook and ... I am not cooking.

Later, Janet
4:45 PM


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 24, 2011, 12:11:03 AM
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Case/Natalee-Home.gif)

************ IN 2011 ************


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 24, 2011, 02:40:25 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY & STEPHANY FLORES

GOOD NIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH



::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 24, 2011, 09:37:33 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY & STEPHANY FLORES

GOOD NIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH



::MonkeyAngel::


(http://bestsmileys.com/clocks/3.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 24, 2011, 06:04:36 PM
http://www.diario.aw/2011/01/asesinato-di-%E2%80%9Cpoentje%E2%80%9D-birandio-un-cold-case/

Papiamentu translation:

asesinato of “poentje” birandio one cold case.

publication: monday, 24 january 2011.

categoria: policial

till still one enigma

oranjestad.(aan): dianan, simanan is pasando till still investigadornan not owing to succeed soluciona the asesinato of the ciudadano poentje castro in his cura of his cas.

as is conoci cu dead cruel of poentje keto bay is bao of investigacion y the team encarga owing to compila enough material relaciona cu the asesinato.

on the night encuestion according suspicion, one or more person will is meti y will is responsible of dead cruel of conocido presentador of “un day in bida”.

several tiro owing to wordo dispara on poentje y let behind y probably the will owing to lose enough blood cu the consecuencia cu owing to come haye dead in cura of cas serca of his pickup.

the team of recherche owing to succeed y is compilando y analisando all informe cu as they owing to achieve y by tip they cu owing to enter.

have material, according informe cu will owing to wordo send in exterior y do not conoci if is so far cu will bay over for cuminsa aresta sospechosonan.

all the time have much speculacion is circula bao of comunidad, comunidad wanted for her claridad of that ( they ) will is meti y owing to comete the acto cruel cu owing to ranca life of the presentador of the conocido declaration of policy very like y see tanto at the islands aruba corsow also at boneiro.

a or more is responsible for her dead cruel of “poentje”.

but the sospechosonan y esnan responsible still investigadornan is buscando they cu confidence of succeed soluciona the caso here.

do not conoci cuanto time investigador will follow y kico will is the sharp cardinal cu still the caso here not owing to look at luz of day.

tanto ministerio publico cu is encabeza the investigacion not can give none comentario con the investigacion is andando.

probably have cierto asuntonan cu will have cu open the caminda for place hand on esnan responsible for her dead of poentje.

time according informe will do not hungando the rol but dato’s important compila if y cada uno is wordo analiza for place they in another for finalmente husticia can cuminsa actua cu pruebanan concreto.

apparently inespera at instant cu end of analiza y have strong indicacion y confesion absolute can wait for accion of the team big of recherchenan cu is encarga for soluciona the asesinato of poentje castro. if tarda, the caso here also will maybe one “cold case”.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: klaasend on January 24, 2011, 06:21:29 PM
Wow, already a cold case? 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Buckeye on January 24, 2011, 06:24:12 PM
http://www.diario.aw/2011/01/asesinato-di-%E2%80%9Cpoentje%E2%80%9D-birandio-un-cold-case/

Papiamentu translation:

asesinato of “poentje” birandio one cold case.

publication: monday, 24 january 2011.

categoria: policial

till still one enigma

oranjestad.(aan): dianan, simanan is pasando till still investigadornan not owing to succeed soluciona the asesinato of the ciudadano poentje castro in his cura of his cas.

as is conoci cu dead cruel of poentje keto bay is bao of investigacion y the team encarga owing to compila enough material relaciona cu the asesinato.

on the night encuestion according suspicion, one or more person will is meti y will is responsible of dead cruel of conocido presentador of “un day in bida”.

several tiro owing to wordo dispara on poentje y let behind y probably the will owing to lose enough blood cu the consecuencia cu owing to come haye dead in cura of cas serca of his pickup.

the team of recherche owing to succeed y is compilando y analisando all informe cu as they owing to achieve y by tip they cu owing to enter.

have material, according informe cu will owing to wordo send in exterior y do not conoci if is so far cu will bay over for cuminsa aresta sospechosonan.

all the time have much speculacion is circula bao of comunidad, comunidad wanted for her claridad of that ( they ) will is meti y owing to comete the acto cruel cu owing to ranca life of the presentador of the conocido declaration of policy very like y see tanto at the islands aruba corsow also at boneiro.

a or more is responsible for her dead cruel of “poentje”.

but the sospechosonan y esnan responsible still investigadornan is buscando they cu confidence of succeed soluciona the caso here.

do not conoci cuanto time investigador will follow y kico will is the sharp cardinal cu still the caso here not owing to look at luz of day.

tanto ministerio publico cu is encabeza the investigacion not can give none comentario con the investigacion is andando.

probably have cierto asuntonan cu will have cu open the caminda for place hand on esnan responsible for her dead of poentje.

time according informe will do not hungando the rol but dato’s important compila if y cada uno is wordo analiza for place they in another for finalmente husticia can cuminsa actua cu pruebanan concreto.

apparently inespera at instant cu end of analiza y have strong indicacion y confesion absolute can wait for accion of the team big of recherchenan cu is encarga for soluciona the asesinato of poentje castro. if tarda, the caso here also will maybe one “cold case”.


Not exactly sure what this says, but if they are trying to say the case will be cold unless there is a confession.....they really need to re-evaluate.  A confession means absolutely nothing.  Perhaps the population should support victim's rights as opposed to the perpetrator's rights.  Good thing they have the super duper team on it.   ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Susebear on January 24, 2011, 08:08:46 PM
Hi Monkeys, I need to rant before I have a stroke and y'all are the only one who will understand.  I'm from Texas and my daughter is getting married soon to a guy from Massachussetts, whose grandparents vacation in Aruba every year. My future SIL's mother sent me a message today that her mom bought her wedding outfit in ARUBA! 
2 aspirin and 2 glasses of wine.  AAARRRGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!  I have definitely expressed my views to them about that evil place and politely excuse myself when the conversation goes there.  Seems to me there is some button pushing.
Any advice you can lend me on how to deal with it will be most appreciated.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Buckeye on January 24, 2011, 08:26:49 PM
Hi Monkeys, I need to rant before I have a stroke and y'all are the only one who will understand.  I'm from Texas and my daughter is getting married soon to a guy from Massachussetts, whose grandparents vacation in Aruba every year. My future SIL's mother sent me a message today that her mom bought her wedding outfit in ARUBA! 
2 aspirin and 2 glasses of wine.  AAARRRGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!  I have definitely expressed my views to them about that evil place and politely excuse myself when the conversation goes there.  Seems to me there is some button pushing.
Any advice you can lend me on how to deal with it will be most appreciated.


I'm sure that will be one showy number.  They're known for their costumes.

I would stay quiet and say a prayer that the seams pop.   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: klaasend on January 24, 2011, 08:28:53 PM
Hi Monkeys, I need to rant before I have a stroke and y'all are the only one who will understand.  I'm from Texas and my daughter is getting married soon to a guy from Massachussetts, whose grandparents vacation in Aruba every year. My future SIL's mother sent me a message today that her mom bought her wedding outfit in ARUBA!  
2 aspirin and 2 glasses of wine.  AAARRRGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!  I have definitely expressed my views to them about that evil place and politely excuse myself when the conversation goes there.  Seems to me there is some button pushing.
Any advice you can lend me on how to deal with it will be most appreciated.

When you see her in the outfit, ask her if she got it at Walmart  ::MonkeyDevil::

Then ask her if she's put on a couple pounds  ::MonkeyDevil::   ::piggy::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 24, 2011, 08:36:05 PM
Instead of a corsage, have your daughter distribute a Natalee Button for her to wear instead!  ::MonkeyCool::


Hi Monkeys, I need to rant before I have a stroke and y'all are the only one who will understand.  I'm from Texas and my daughter is getting married soon to a guy from Massachussetts, whose grandparents vacation in Aruba every year. My future SIL's mother sent me a message today that her mom bought her wedding outfit in ARUBA! 
2 aspirin and 2 glasses of wine.  AAARRRGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!  I have definitely expressed my views to them about that evil place and politely excuse myself when the conversation goes there.  Seems to me there is some button pushing.
Any advice you can lend me on how to deal with it will be most appreciated.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: klaasend on January 24, 2011, 08:39:10 PM
Another suicide attempt in "paradise" ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/26873-preso-a-purba-comete-suicidio.html

Preso a purba comete suicidio    Print    E-mail
Monday, 24 January 2011 14:30
image-98945-galleryV9-pwtd

Un detenido cera den cel na Warda di Polis di San Nicolas a purba pone un fin na su bida awe merdia. Polisnan atento a mira e intencion di e preso riba camara y mesora a bay den accion y a corta e cabuya. Ambulance a presenta mesora na e sitio y a transporta e victima pa Centro Medico na San Nicolas. Pero un rato despues ambulance a sali cu e mesun detenido pa Hospital pa ricibi mas tratamento medico.

Thru translator

preso owing to try comete suicidio


 monday, 24 january 2011 14:30

 one detenido close in cel at keep of police of san nicolas owing to try place one end at his life today afternoon. polisnan attentive owing to see the intencion of the preso on camara y at once owing to bay in accion y owing to clip the cabuya. ambulance owing to present at once at the sitio y owing to transporta the victima for centro medico at san nicolas. but one rato after ambulance owing to leave cu the same detenido for hospital for ricibi more tratamento medico.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: klaasend on January 24, 2011, 08:42:34 PM
Great idea CBB  ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 24, 2011, 08:58:25 PM
Hi Monkeys, I need to rant before I have a stroke and y'all are the only one who will understand.  I'm from Texas and my daughter is getting married soon to a guy from Massachussetts, whose grandparents vacation in Aruba every year. My future SIL's mother sent me a message today that her mom bought her wedding outfit in ARUBA!  
2 aspirin and 2 glasses of wine.  AAARRRGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!  I have definitely expressed my views to them about that evil place and politely excuse myself when the conversation goes there.  Seems to me there is some button pushing.
Any advice you can lend me on how to deal with it will be most appreciated.

When you see her in the outfit, ask her if she got it at Walmart  ::MonkeyDevil::

Then ask her if she's put on a couple pounds  ::MonkeyDevil::   ::piggy::

 ::MonkeyShocked::

My boutique of choice.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: klaasend on January 24, 2011, 09:00:02 PM
Janet - I love Walmart except recently the clothes are too trendy.  Hopefully they will get some of their older folk stuff  ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 24, 2011, 09:20:15 PM
KLAAS, O/T They have found a body in Lubbock in the Elizabeth Ennin case.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: klaasend on January 24, 2011, 09:21:11 PM
KLAAS, O/T They have found a body in Lubbock in the Elizabeth Ennin case.

OMG, thanks


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Susebear on January 24, 2011, 09:22:31 PM
OMG, Thank you SO much, I just knew you would have the answer and Voila!  Natalee buttons are perfect! I think I'll get eneough for the bridesmaids and flowergirls too.  (And maybe some "Aruba Sucks" signs on the toilet stall doors)
Whew, I feel better now.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 24, 2011, 09:23:51 PM
Janet - I love Walmart except recently the clothes are too trendy.  Hopefully they will get some of their older folk stuff  ::MonkeyCool::



In the past year ... I have also noticed the style change at Walmart.  However ... if I can't find it at Walmart ... Zellers is sure to have it.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

My daughter and DIL's are always attempting to steer me towards the boutiques in our local mall or ... to Pacific Center in Vancouver.  They don't seem to get it.  Walmart savings imply that they do not have to be financially responsible for hubby and I when we get "really" old.

Janet
.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: klaasend on January 24, 2011, 09:42:56 PM
We don't have a Zellers but I'll check their website anyway.  I think it's only in Canada  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 24, 2011, 09:56:08 PM
Another suicide attempt in "paradise" ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/26873-preso-a-purba-comete-suicidio.html

Preso a purba comete suicidio    Print    E-mail
Monday, 24 January 2011 14:30
image-98945-galleryV9-pwtd

Un detenido cera den cel na Warda di Polis di San Nicolas a purba pone un fin na su bida awe merdia. Polisnan atento a mira e intencion di e preso riba camara y mesora a bay den accion y a corta e cabuya. Ambulance a presenta mesora na e sitio y a transporta e victima pa Centro Medico na San Nicolas. Pero un rato despues ambulance a sali cu e mesun detenido pa Hospital pa ricibi mas tratamento medico.

Thru translator

preso owing to try comete suicidio


 monday, 24 january 2011 14:30

 one detenido close in cel at keep of police of san nicolas owing to try place one end at his life today afternoon. polisnan attentive owing to see the intencion of the preso on camara y at once owing to bay in accion y owing to clip the cabuya. ambulance owing to present at once at the sitio y owing to transporta the victima for centro medico at san nicolas. but one rato after ambulance owing to leave cu the same detenido for hospital for ricibi more tratamento medico.

I think they've already taken him back to lockup! 

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=6093&offId=0

Papiamentu translation:

6 hora happen | fecha: 24/01/2011 | horario: 16:42

during cu owing to bay part cuminda for detenidonan owing to come descubri detenido or. cu owing to try horca his self cu his flanel

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Post by: texasmom on January 24, 2011, 10:04:19 PM
Great idea CBB  ::rhino::

I agree!   ::MonkeyCool::


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Post by: Tamikosmom on January 24, 2011, 11:32:39 PM
A Million Dollar Scam?

WhiskeyGirl
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
« Reply #58 on: April 05, 2008, 09:19:47 AM »


Quote from: LegallyLex

John, a lot of BFN posters have asked me how much money would be needed to complete the search.  Can you provide an estimate on what amount would be needed?


Quote from: jdsurveyor1

It is very difficult to say, since Louis has not selected a ROV vessel and we do not know how much of a humanitarian discount we can count on by the vessel and ROV owners, but my guess is that we will be looking at around 1 million dollars.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.40


Mainly Junk, Coral and Debris

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
  The target locations are in the safe, although I also have them in a safe spot.  I don't care about the other targets though. I don't think any of it is of any potential interest. Mainly junk, coral, and debris.


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Post by: carpe noctem on January 25, 2011, 12:44:37 AM
Natalee's Candles


http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=nah


http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=nat%27s





---keep her lit. (and warm)
 ::MonkeyAngel::


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Post by: crazybabyborg on January 25, 2011, 01:23:02 AM
Thanks Carpe! Yes, keep the light burning for Natalee!

I love your Santa Hat, Carpe, but if you'd like to get ready for Valentine's Day......   ::MonkeyWink::

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Valentine%20Avatar/CarpeVal-1.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Valentine%20Avatar/CarpeVal-1.gif


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Post by: Sharon/Tx on January 25, 2011, 06:40:21 AM
Hi Monkeys, I need to rant before I have a stroke and y'all are the only one who will understand.  I'm from Texas and my daughter is getting married soon to a guy from Massachussetts, whose grandparents vacation in Aruba every year. My future SIL's mother sent me a message today that her mom bought her wedding outfit in ARUBA! 
2 aspirin and 2 glasses of wine.  AAARRRGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!  I have definitely expressed my views to them about that evil place and politely excuse myself when the conversation goes there.  Seems to me there is some button pushing.
Any advice you can lend me on how to deal with it will be most appreciated.

Hi Susebear!  I'm from Texas, my daughter married a young man from Boston and their family goes to Aruba.  (Direct cheap flights from Mass.)  She actually won a trip there, was a high risk pregnancy and her Dr. ok'd flying........... so when they invited us......... I went to be with her.  She knew how I felt about the place but his family was there for a destination wedding.  It made me sad being there.  I gave many of them Dave's book "The Tragic Untold Story of Natalee Holloway and Corruption in Paradise" and they now see why we are so disappointed in Aruba and how they did not handle this case.  Small world!  Good luck!


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Post by: texasmom on January 25, 2011, 07:33:15 AM
Natalee's Candles


http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=nah


http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=nat%27s





---keep her lit. (and warm)
 ::MonkeyAngel::
Thanks Carpe!   ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyAngel::


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Post by: texasmom on January 25, 2011, 07:34:17 AM
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Case/Natalee-Home.gif)

************ IN 2011 ************
::MonkeyCool::


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Post by: texasmom on January 25, 2011, 08:04:42 AM
http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2011/01/body_found_in_mississippi_beli.html

Sonar search finds what Kenner police suspect is NFL safety's brother

Published: Sunday, January 23, 2011, 5:53 PM     Updated: Monday, January 24, 2011, 6:15 AM
By Stephen Babcock, The Times-Picayune
Matthew Hinton / The Times-Picayune

Volunteer searchers in the Mississippi River today found what was thought to be the body of the missing brother of Baltimore Ravens safety Ed Reed, Kenner police said.
But when a diver checked the site, no body was found. The recovery effort was then suspended for the night.

Authorities responded to the discovery at about 3:45 p.m. at the south end of Alliance Street, near the St. Charles Parish line. Soon after, scores of relatives and family friends gathered near the base of the Mississippi River levee, waiting to find out if the body was recovered.
The spot is less than a mile downriver from where a man who is thought to be Brian Reed, 29, jumped into the water Jan. 6 as he fled from police on River Road.

A St. Charles Parish deputy sheriff had been flagged down by a witness who reported a car driving erratically. The deputy found the man stopped on the side of the road. When the deputy received a call about a stolen vehicle that matched the description of the man's car, the man drove off with the deputy in pursuit.

The deputy saw the man enter the water in Kenner.

Authorities fruitlessly searched the area for days.

On Wednesday, however, Reed's family brought in a volunteer outfit, Texas Equusearch, to use sonar and divers, police Lt. Wayne McInnis said. Sonar detected a presumed body in about 15 feet of water, 25 to 30 feet offshore. But when a diver checked the location, no body was found, McInnis said.

The body was thought to be tangled around a beam and some debris in the brackish river water, McInnis said. The search operation, which lasted more than an hour, was temporarily held up when the diver became snarled in debris.

The missing man's family, including Ed Reed, was at the scene. Ed Reed declined comment.
"We just want some closure at this point," Brian Reed's sister-in-law, Javona Sanchez, said. "We wanted him back regardless."

The Reed family, including Ed Reed, are from St. Rose.

Friends said Brian Reed had attended school in Destrehan and played baseball and softball. They described him as an accomplished dancer.

Texas Equusearch said it was assisted by the J.D. Silvetti Group, a Lafayette marine services consortium.

McInnis said authorities would perform a check of the surface of the water for the body, then suspend the search Sunday evening.
. . . . . . .
Stephen Babcock can be reached at 504.826.3300.

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/blog/2011/01/search_resumes_for_brian_reed_in_mississippi_river.html

January 24, 2011

Updated: Search resumes for Brian Reed in Mississippi River

Dozens of volunteers and law enforcement officers resumed combing the banks and waters of the Mississippi River near Kenner, La., this morning, searching for the body of Brian Reed, brother of Ravens safety Ed Reed.

Beginning about 6:15 this morning, divers searched while patrols scanned the surface.  Using sonar, Texas Equusearch, a volunteer organization that helps families search for missing relatives, located a body Sunday afternoon believed to be Brian Reed. The body, surrounded by debris, was dislodged as divers tried to recover it, said Tim Miller, the founder and director of Texas Equusearch.

Miller said he felt confident it was Brian Reed because the sonar "got the perfect of image of Brian's body," and that his arms, legs, chest and head could be made out.

Miller said the river’s current may have swept the body away from Kenner, a suburb of New Orleans and a short distance from St. Rose, where Brian and Ed Reed are from.

Javona Sanchez, Brian and Ed Reed’s sister-in-law, said the family has been in regular contact with Texas Equusearch and local authorities and that her husband and Ed Reed had been with the search party “all day.”

"There’s a lot of friends and family praying for us. So we’re thankful for that. … We’re praying and waiting,” Sanchez said.

The search will continue indefinitely.

"We're not going to quit until we find him or until we get to that point where we've used up every resource," said, Miller, whose organization has made over 50 recoveries in about five years.

Lt. Wayne McInnis, Kenner police spokesman, said Sunday that Kenner police and the St. Charles Parish sheriff were assisting in the recovery. Texas Equusearch charges neither the family nor law enforcement for its services, Miller said.

“We do this through donations,” he said.

Brian Reed has been missing since Jan. 7, when he was seen jumping into the Mississippi River after being pursued by police.

The Reed family, including Ed Reed, was waiting for updates on the recovery attempt, which has been under way for six days. The family is frustrated and anxious, Miller said.

"They want this thing to come to an end. We think we're coming to an end and in some ways we're starting over," he said.

Ed Reed and his older brother were still on the scene late this evening, Sanchez said.

"How do you walk away from this?" asked Miller.

AP photo — more photos here


http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/article/Searchers-to-again-look-for-Ravens-star-s-brother-974073.php

Mississippi River search halted for Reed brother

MARY FOSTER, Associated Press
Published: 08:50 a.m., Monday, January 24, 2011

NEW ORLEANS (AP) — A private search team called in by Baltimore Ravens safety Ed Reed and family members suspended a search of the Mississippi River late Monday, but planned to return "no matter the weather" at first light to continue looking for the body of Reed's missing 28-year-old brother.

Texas EquuSearch on Sunday had located what it believed to be the body of Brian Reed tangled in debris about 20 miles northwest of New Orleans. But Kenner Police Lt. Wayne McInnis said divers were unable to find it.

"We had the perfect image," said Tim Miller, director of EquuSearch. "There's no doubt it was him but it was in an area that has so much debris that doing anything there, it's really hard."

Divers trying to get to the body may have dislodged it as they moved debris, Miller said.

"And if they did it could have moved five feet or five miles. The current out there is pretty swift," McInnis said.

Miller said his crew was sifting through the sonar images taken throughout the day to see if they can narrow the search.

"We were really optimistic Sunday and this morning. Not so much now. We definitely have a difficult task ahead of us," Miller said.

Miller halted the search Monday after rain moved into the area. They were looking in the area where the man believed to be Brian Reed went in on Jan. 7, when he apparently jumped into the river after being confronted by a deputy sheriff.

Karen Reed, the mother of Ed and Brian Reed, said investigators found her son's shoes and jacket. She said the car the man ran from belonged to another brother.

On Monday the search was still centered on the area where he was last seen, about 200 feet downstream and about 50 feet out from the bank, Miller said.

"It's very tough on the edge of the Mississippi River," McInnis said. "There is a lot of debris from the bank out 30, 40 feet. You can't see more than a few feet in there even during daylight."

Boats were also making surface searches of the river up to eight miles downstream, Miller said. He continued to use sonar at the upriver site, and divers were also in the water.

"The conditions are very bad," Miller said. "Divers are finding 100 percent black water, the current is strong, and there are big ships going past steadily."

The river is only 15 feet deep at the original search site, Miller said, but quickly drops off to 30 feet, then 80 feet.

EquuSearch had promised the family it would search for one day, Miller said. Monday was the sixth day of looking.

"We've just been begging for that little bit of luck to go along with everything else," Miller said. "But so far we have not gotten it. At some point you have to say it's time to stop searching."

The St. Charles Parish Sheriff's Office said a deputy spotted a parked car that matched the description of one reported stolen. When the deputy told the man believed to be Brian Reed to put his hands behind his back, he bolted and ran into the river, authorities said.

Read more: http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/article/Mississippi-River-search-halted-for-Reed-brother-974073.php#ixzz1C3F1WZNX


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Post by: crazybabyborg on January 25, 2011, 08:05:47 AM
I love the way you sum it up, TM. Those end of the day posts and pictures always give me hope.

Somehow, against all odds, I believe Natalee will come home.  ::MonkeyKiss::


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Post by: EURobert on January 25, 2011, 10:19:02 AM
Hi there,

Have you seen this? A dutch website to financially support dutch people inprisoned in Peru...
Looks like it's set up by friends of Joran van der Sloot if you ask me.

Newsitem on dutch satirical blog GeenStijl:

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=nl&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.geenstijl.nl/mt/archieven/2011/01/stichting_steun_joran_vraagt_u.html%23comments&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhiWxDzIjAySWsRHt-5THHSdF1-TkQ

The specific site:

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=nl&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.prisonersinperu.nl/pagina5a.html&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhiD9tYxgeZpEfIoTxe29vJM6-y7qQ

Greetz,

Robert


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Post by: crazybabyborg on January 25, 2011, 10:28:39 AM
That website is full of surprises, EURobert. First, I'm surprised that Joran has friends. The second surprise is for them, I think. I'd bet a lot that Peru could care less about what anyone else wants. They have Joran where they want him and the case against him is so tight his eyes are bugging out. Joran isn't going anywhere......................... ever.

JMO.


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Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 25, 2011, 12:47:02 PM
Hi there,

Have you seen this? A dutch website to financially support dutch people inprisoned in Peru...
Looks like it's set up by friends of Joran van der Sloot if you ask me.

Newsitem on dutch satirical blog GeenStijl:

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=nl&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.geenstijl.nl/mt/archieven/2011/01/stichting_steun_joran_vraagt_u.html%23comments&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhiWxDzIjAySWsRHt-5THHSdF1-TkQ

The specific site:

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=nl&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.prisonersinperu.nl/pagina5a.html&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhiD9tYxgeZpEfIoTxe29vJM6-y7qQ

Greetz,

Robert


Thank you, EURobert!  I spent some time reading the comments on the blog.  Joran doesn't have a prayer, imo.


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Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 25, 2011, 12:59:40 PM
Natalee's Candles


http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=nah


http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=nat%27s





---keep her lit. (and warm)
 ::MonkeyAngel::
Thanks Carpe!   ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyAngel::


The lowlifes have been reported, once again.  I still say, God will sort them out.


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Post by: MuffyBee on January 25, 2011, 02:03:23 PM
Thank you EURobert. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 25, 2011, 03:01:31 PM
Hi there,

Have you seen this? A dutch website to financially support dutch people inprisoned in Peru...
Looks like it's set up by friends of Joran van der Sloot if you ask me.

Newsitem on dutch satirical blog GeenStijl:

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=nl&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.geenstijl.nl/mt/archieven/2011/01/stichting_steun_joran_vraagt_u.html%23comments&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhiWxDzIjAySWsRHt-5THHSdF1-TkQ

The specific site:

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=nl&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.prisonersinperu.nl/pagina5a.html&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhiD9tYxgeZpEfIoTxe29vJM6-y7qQ

Greetz,

Robert


Thanks EURobert!   ::MonkeyCool::


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Post by: texasmom on January 25, 2011, 03:02:20 PM
Natalee's Candles


http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=nah


http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=nat%27s





---keep her lit. (and warm)
 ::MonkeyAngel::
Thanks Carpe!   ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyAngel::


The lowlifes have been reported, once again.  I still say, God will sort them out.

Thanks 2NJ!   ::MonkeyAngel::


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Post by: carpe noctem on January 25, 2011, 03:42:14 PM
Thank you CBB - I was ready to change my outfit. ::MonkeyKiss::

You're always on it.


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Post by: carpe noctem on January 25, 2011, 04:16:51 PM
I see the Aruban welfare drawing, beanie baby producing, ghetto rats took my link bait.


They will never learn.


They keep Natalee's case alive! Their hate is the fuel that keeps the cycle going.

...and for that, I can imagine the Holloway family is very thankful. Just as they were probably thankful for Joran's incredibly low IQ.

Joran - their moron hero douche bag that put himself in jail. He got away with murder... was given a second chance, but threw it away, only to murder again. Why? Because he
is a worthless POS DNA CONTAINER. He started out like we all do - with the currency of
free will.... freedom to make a good choice, freedom to make a bad one... and he went
bankrupt. Now he is worth nothing. He's just waitin' on his death. Which is probably the
best place to keep a coward like Joran - hanging in the balance. Mental torture is right up Joran's alley.

Death is a vacation for him. It's too easy. (I'd rather see him dead. Tossed away like a used plastic spoon. He's worthless. ... but Peru prison is a perfect place for him. He needs to wonder everyday when he's gonna die and who will be delivering the shank.)


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Post by: wreck on January 25, 2011, 04:59:41 PM
I see the Aruban welfare drawing, beanie baby producing, ghetto rats took my link bait.


They will never learn.


They keep Natalee's case alive! Their hate is the fuel that keeps the cycle going.

...and for that, I can imagine the Holloway family is very thankful. Just as they were probably thankful for Joran's incredibly low IQ.

Joran - their moron hero douche bag that put himself in jail. He got away with murder... was given a second chance, but threw it away, only to murder again. Why? Because he
is a worthless POS DNA CONTAINER. He started out like we all do - with the currency of
free will.... freedom to make a good choice, freedom to make a bad one... and he went
bankrupt. Now he is worth nothing. He's just waitin' on his death. Which is probably the
best place to keep a coward like Joran - hanging in the balance. Mental torture is right up Joran's alley.

Death is a vacation for him. It's too easy. (I'd rather see him dead. Tossed away like a used plastic spoon. He's worthless. ... but Peru prison is a perfect place for him. He needs to wonder everyday when he's gonna die and who will be delivering the shank.)
Well said! I hope to see him "hanging" as well.


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Post by: texasmom on January 25, 2011, 06:47:48 PM
I see the Aruban welfare drawing, beanie baby producing, ghetto rats took my link bait.


They will never learn.


They keep Natalee's case alive! Their hate is the fuel that keeps the cycle going.

...and for that, I can imagine the Holloway family is very thankful. Just as they were probably thankful for Joran's incredibly low IQ.

Joran - their moron hero douche bag that put himself in jail. He got away with murder... was given a second chance, but threw it away, only to murder again. Why? Because he
is a worthless POS DNA CONTAINER. He started out like we all do - with the currency of
free will.... freedom to make a good choice, freedom to make a bad one... and he went
bankrupt. Now he is worth nothing. He's just waitin' on his death. Which is probably the
best place to keep a coward like Joran - hanging in the balance. Mental torture is right up Joran's alley.

Death is a vacation for him. It's too easy. (I'd rather see him dead. Tossed away like a used plastic spoon. He's worthless. ... but Peru prison is a perfect place for him. He needs to wonder everyday when he's gonna die and who will be delivering the shank.)

 ::monkeywine2::


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Post by: texasmom on January 25, 2011, 07:05:02 PM
http://amigoenieuws.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2284:betico-venezuela-het-koninkrijk-en-wikileaks&catid=151:artikel-headline-aruba&Itemid=200

Google translation:

Betico, Venezuela, the Kingdom and Wikileaks

Tuesday, January 25, 2011 8:37 p.m.

Aruba, Bonaire and Curacao off the coast of Venezuela is the "closest and juiciest opportunities" to the ambitions of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez to infiltrate abroad into reality. According to Wikileaks, the U.S. Ambassador Clifford Sobel, who between 2001 and 2005 the 62nd United States Ambassador to the Netherlands was that at the end of his office wrote to Washington.

by our reporter
Raul Henriquez

In the beginning of this year leaked diplomatic Netherlands shows that the Venezuelan threat of destabilization or even annexation of the West Indies in 2005 very seriously. Especially when the words of former Foreign Minister Ben Bot on it, to be believed: "The Dutch Antilles are the Falklands. If we could leave tomorrow, they are the next day from Venezuela. "

Who the political history of the seventies of Aruba know, maybe draw a similarity with the revelation of the Aruba-Dutch Antilles-Venezuelan relations in 2005. Was there already a Wikileaks was only because of reference around 1975 shows a lot of political scheming behind the scenes to have been among those same countries. Especially since MEP under the leadership of Betico Croes in 1971 interfered with the Aruban orthodox separatism, which is officially in the thirties had been used by the family Eman. Unlike Croes Emans strove for a separate status of the island within the Kingdom of the Netherlands, but not independence. Croes' way with his orthodox establishment longer and heavier than the Emans gemodereerder who drew up and through the diplomatic road to constitutional liberty would be prepared. In the quest for international recognition for the separation, went around Croes abroad to seek support.

Betico must have known how sensitive a visit to Venezuela could be based on the historical understanding that he then ventilated. Venezuela to the Leeward Islands in the early twentieth century had almost bought the Netherlands. Netherlands that long as a hidden agenda, secretly wished that all the former colonial territories were separate. What Suriname did in 1975. But also: Netherlands that Dutch companies abroad protected. In 1908 the Netherlands still went to military action in Venezuela on 'to the commercial position of the West to protect "against the regime of then Cipriamo Castro. Castro was an occasional attitude against foreign firms. Venezuela between 1928 and 1969 when the major oil exporter in the world, got companies like Shell, Gulf and Creole their shares in this trade. Since its nationalization in 1976, they went under new names continue as Venezuelan companies, respectively Maraven, Meneve and Lagoven, all part of that year established state PDVSA (Petróleos de Venezuela).

Whistleblowers
Especially in these turbulent years sought Betico Croes oil in Venezuela and other countries outside support for his political program. What a lot of diplomatic communication should step Croes do not have yielded. Many juicy food for something like Wikileaks, if this website had existed in 2006 when. There will then also be journalists who have been inhoudelijker on the matter would go. But the hand but knew to impose on documents, or the time to talk extensively with the Minister. Journalists could only dream about a place where whistleblowers from government agencies and businesses around the world, able to post documents anonymously (ie leaks) to denounce the abuses. What about the explanation on Wikipedia is Wikileaks (that no part of it).

Lumbar Compression Kingdom Tires
Instead of Wikileaks is an excellent alternative in which the diplomatic fortunes described between Aruba, Netherlands, Netherlands Antilles and Venezuela: a reference book of 1574 pages with the name "Kingdom Lumbar Compression Tires. It contains important political events of the Kingdom of the Netherlands as the independence of Suriname in Aruba and the Status Aparte. The book gives "a vivid picture of a turbulent and still unfinished process of decolonization in which the ties over time were not weakened but rather strengthened," said a review of the publication. The authors Oostindie Gert and Inge Vowels are respectively director and employee of the Royal Netherlands Institute of Southeast Asian and Caribbean Studies (KITLV) in Leiden. Together they in the publication "The dismantling of the Netherlands Antilles" which is scheduled this year. This book - commissioned by the Ministry of the Interior and Kingdom Relations, is about lifting the Antillean country context and the renewal of the Kingdom (2000-2010).

From Compression Lumbar Kingdom tapes: "At the end 1975, the relative tranquility of the Antillean political front broken when a delegation of MEP, including three MEP ministers from the Cabinet-(Juancho) Evertsz outside the government to a good-will visit to Venezuela . De reason given was a conversation about airplane charters, but actually sounded Delegation de Caracas thought over how the separate status / independence of Aruba. Betico hoped by countries in the region to achieve independence. The unexpected escapade stunned the Antillean government and led to an acute crisis. Premier Evertsz decided in a vote of no confidence cooperation with MEP ministers to end. Also in the Netherlands, the initiative was rejected. Foreign Minister Max van der Stoel even brought a visit to Venezuela for the "mistake" corrected. Strongly urged the Venezuelan government to each act as an encouragement to the MEP could be interpreted to leave. Meanwhile, on January 9, 1976 the Aruban island a motion in which the struggle for independence of the island was established. An MEP delegation Van der Stoel met in Caracas, stressed the unconstitutionality and unforeseeable consequences of an arbitrary declaration of independence. "

In the quest for international recognition for the separation, Croes traveled down many countries to seek support, can also be read in Lumbar Compression Kingdom Tires. In January 1976, an MEP delegation visits to Panama, Colombia and Costa Rica. In February, the Socialist International in London visited. In March 1976 and June 1977 MEP put her complaints to the UN decolonization committee in November 1977 at the State Department and the OAS. Including Guyana, Trinidad & Tobago and Mexico were visited in the intervening periods. In Den Haag took account of an MEP visit to Cuba, but that probably has not occurred.

Paper Wikileaks
Foreign success did however, researchers found Oostindie and Vowels in documentation. At the State Department, where Betico Croes asked to 'comprehension of the Aruban U.S. claim of the right of self determination' was the dismissive comment that this is a false 'Intervention in the internal affairs of another nation "would mean. Journalists have itching in their hands have been in these political developments, but it was very difficult to get government documents. What kind of diplomatic contact, there is not been between the U.S. and The Hague, and between
The Hague and Caracas.

Caracas was the MEP delegation made clear that the first Venezuelan care "to maintain political stability in the region" and that any Aruban kids, this principle would undermine state Lumbar Compression Kingdom Tires. "At the UN, which are based on existing political entities, including from former colonial territories, was also found support for the Aruban efforts. Van der Stoel also had all the foreign missions issuing significant warning: "The Aruban seek special status is only one voice from multiple Antillean constellation, which is therefore not a tremendous interest need to be annexed."

Oppressive Kingdom Tyres for Aruba and the (former) Netherlands Antilles Wikileaks a kind of paper, which is much to learn about the diplomacy of the Kingdom. Since its publication in 2001, it is not too much dust. In this respect, the effect of Wikileaks a lot bigger, because the revelations are about more recent matter. But for the historical sense, the book is its weight in gold. Who reads news stories, such as in this newspaper, about the relations between Aruba, Venezuela and the Netherlands, who may know better what it does not say, but it is suspected, also exists. This is shown afterwards. When in the course of 1977 after the results of the referendum on independence, riots and strikes were in Aruba and the Antillean government in Willemstad police sent to reinforce the island, a Venezuelan newspaper wrote that the Netherlands colonial politics practiced. The monkey was out of the bag!

The Dutch also remain concerned about Venezuela, the U.S. ambassador commented Fay Hartog-Levin a message from 2010 after a meeting with Minister Maxime Verhagen (Foreign Affairs, CDA) in 2010. But they are not the "appropriate mechanism" found against Chávez.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 25, 2011, 07:13:29 PM
http://amigoenieuws.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2220:oorzaak-en-schade-brand-crystal-casino-nog-onbekend&catid=108:artikelen-aruba&Itemid=199

Cause fire and damage is still unknown Crystal Casino

Monday, January 24, 2011 7:27 p.m.

(http://amigoenieuws.com/images/stories/24-01-2011/268122.jpg)

ORANGE CITY - The same shopping center and Renaissance Hotel are evacuated Saturday after a generator on the roof on fire had flown. The fire spread quickly, so everyone was evacuated as a precaution. However, the fire brigade managed to extinguish the fire under control before it spread to the rest of the casino and shopping. The cause of the fire and the damage are still unknown.

Well let firefighter Anthony Erasmus, who commanded the Saturday fire team, knowing that the cause was a short circuit in one of the generators that would be successful because of the large power outage on that day. Large parts of the island without electricity were in this sit. He could not confirm this morning that the cause was short indeed. "The guys from DTI (Department for Technical Inspections, red) are sure to come look after we were done with fighting Saturday." DTI today was not reached because the entire government because of an ATV-day Betico-Day. Meta Corporation, owner and operator of Crystal Mall and Renaissance Casino, was not available for questions about the extent of the damage.

The guests were soon back to their rooms. The casino was the next day until the afternoon open.

Press on the road
Reporting the fire came Saturday at five to nine at night in the emergency center of the fire. "Initially it was reported that the fire at the cinema and on the roof of Seaport Casino would be," said firefighter Erasmus. It soon turned out not to go to a fire at Seaport Marketplace, but in Renaissance Mall, 200 meters away, on the roof of Crystal Casino. LG Smith Boulevard and Havenstraat on the other side of the Renaissance Mall were deposited by the police. The police helicopter circled around in a wide radius around the city and shone the spotlight in the fire. Because the press was gone, had the police out to be useful to ensure that the fire could get passage. The first team of six extinguishers had been within six minutes after the message there, says Erasmus. The fire on the roof behind the casino was good to see and attracted large audiences. Because of the power outage because many people were driving around, to cool down the air conditioners of cars or to see how parts of the island without electricity wrong.

The fire department had also not easy to reach location of the fire, says Erasmus. "We had to through the casino alongside the pool on the roof." The firemen were now strengthening the fire service from the airport. Once on the roof showed that the generator room was completely on fire. "Three men have gone in and powders with a large part of the fire extinguishing." Then, with water coming from the fire team of the airport before nine long hoses connected, extinguished the fire further. The firefighters gave 37 minutes after the report the signal fire master. According to Erasmus, it is fortunate that the fire had been confined to the generator room. "If we had not time to come, the fire spread. Many of these roofs have a layer as "Rubberoid 'on it and that is very flammable."


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Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 25, 2011, 07:19:51 PM
I see the Aruban welfare drawing, beanie baby producing, ghetto rats took my link bait.


They will never learn.


They keep Natalee's case alive! Their hate is the fuel that keeps the cycle going.

...and for that, I can imagine the Holloway family is very thankful. Just as they were probably thankful for Joran's incredibly low IQ.

Joran - their moron hero douche bag that put himself in jail. He got away with murder... was given a second chance, but threw it away, only to murder again. Why? Because he
is a worthless POS DNA CONTAINER. He started out like we all do - with the currency of
free will.... freedom to make a good choice, freedom to make a bad one... and he went
bankrupt. Now he is worth nothing. He's just waitin' on his death. Which is probably the
best place to keep a coward like Joran - hanging in the balance. Mental torture is right up Joran's alley.

Death is a vacation for him. It's too easy. (I'd rather see him dead. Tossed away like a used plastic spoon. He's worthless. ... but Peru prison is a perfect place for him. He needs to wonder everyday when he's gonna die and who will be delivering the shank.)

They're baaack....no surprise....vindictive a-holes.  You're right, Carpe. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 25, 2011, 08:20:04 PM
http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2011/01/body_found_in_mississippi_beli.html

Sonar search finds what Kenner police suspect is NFL safety's brother

Published: Sunday, January 23, 2011, 5:53 PM     Updated: Monday, January 24, 2011, 6:15 AM
By Stephen Babcock, The Times-Picayune
Matthew Hinton / The Times-Picayune

Volunteer searchers in the Mississippi River today found what was thought to be the body of the missing brother of Baltimore Ravens safety Ed Reed, Kenner police said.
But when a diver checked the site, no body was found. The recovery effort was then suspended for the night.

Authorities responded to the discovery at about 3:45 p.m. at the south end of Alliance Street, near the St. Charles Parish line. Soon after, scores of relatives and family friends gathered near the base of the Mississippi River levee, waiting to find out if the body was recovered.
The spot is less than a mile downriver from where a man who is thought to be Brian Reed, 29, jumped into the water Jan. 6 as he fled from police on River Road.

A St. Charles Parish deputy sheriff had been flagged down by a witness who reported a car driving erratically. The deputy found the man stopped on the side of the road. When the deputy received a call about a stolen vehicle that matched the description of the man's car, the man drove off with the deputy in pursuit.

The deputy saw the man enter the water in Kenner.

Authorities fruitlessly searched the area for days.

On Wednesday, however, Reed's family brought in a volunteer outfit, Texas Equusearch, to use sonar and divers, police Lt. Wayne McInnis said. Sonar detected a presumed body in about 15 feet of water, 25 to 30 feet offshore. But when a diver checked the location, no body was found, McInnis said.

The body was thought to be tangled around a beam and some debris in the brackish river water, McInnis said. The search operation, which lasted more than an hour, was temporarily held up when the diver became snarled in debris.

The missing man's family, including Ed Reed, was at the scene. Ed Reed declined comment.
"We just want some closure at this point," Brian Reed's sister-in-law, Javona Sanchez, said. "We wanted him back regardless."

The Reed family, including Ed Reed, are from St. Rose.

Friends said Brian Reed had attended school in Destrehan and played baseball and softball. They described him as an accomplished dancer.

Texas Equusearch said it was assisted by the J.D. Silvetti Group, a Lafayette marine services consortium.

McInnis said authorities would perform a check of the surface of the water for the body, then suspend the search Sunday evening.
. . . . . . .
Stephen Babcock can be reached at 504.826.3300.

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/blog/2011/01/search_resumes_for_brian_reed_in_mississippi_river.html

January 24, 2011

Updated: Search resumes for Brian Reed in Mississippi River

Dozens of volunteers and law enforcement officers resumed combing the banks and waters of the Mississippi River near Kenner, La., this morning, searching for the body of Brian Reed, brother of Ravens safety Ed Reed.

Beginning about 6:15 this morning, divers searched while patrols scanned the surface.  Using sonar, Texas Equusearch, a volunteer organization that helps families search for missing relatives, located a body Sunday afternoon believed to be Brian Reed. The body, surrounded by debris, was dislodged as divers tried to recover it, said Tim Miller, the founder and director of Texas Equusearch.

Miller said he felt confident it was Brian Reed because the sonar "got the perfect of image of Brian's body," and that his arms, legs, chest and head could be made out.

Miller said the river’s current may have swept the body away from Kenner, a suburb of New Orleans and a short distance from St. Rose, where Brian and Ed Reed are from.

Javona Sanchez, Brian and Ed Reed’s sister-in-law, said the family has been in regular contact with Texas Equusearch and local authorities and that her husband and Ed Reed had been with the search party “all day.”

"There’s a lot of friends and family praying for us. So we’re thankful for that. … We’re praying and waiting,” Sanchez said.

The search will continue indefinitely.

"We're not going to quit until we find him or until we get to that point where we've used up every resource," said, Miller, whose organization has made over 50 recoveries in about five years.

Lt. Wayne McInnis, Kenner police spokesman, said Sunday that Kenner police and the St. Charles Parish sheriff were assisting in the recovery. Texas Equusearch charges neither the family nor law enforcement for its services, Miller said.

“We do this through donations,” he said.

Brian Reed has been missing since Jan. 7, when he was seen jumping into the Mississippi River after being pursued by police.

The Reed family, including Ed Reed, was waiting for updates on the recovery attempt, which has been under way for six days. The family is frustrated and anxious, Miller said.

"They want this thing to come to an end. We think we're coming to an end and in some ways we're starting over," he said.

Ed Reed and his older brother were still on the scene late this evening, Sanchez said.

"How do you walk away from this?" asked Miller.

AP photo — more photos here


http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/article/Searchers-to-again-look-for-Ravens-star-s-brother-974073.php

Mississippi River search halted for Reed brother

MARY FOSTER, Associated Press
Published: 08:50 a.m., Monday, January 24, 2011

NEW ORLEANS (AP) — A private search team called in by Baltimore Ravens safety Ed Reed and family members suspended a search of the Mississippi River late Monday, but planned to return "no matter the weather" at first light to continue looking for the body of Reed's missing 28-year-old brother.

Texas EquuSearch on Sunday had located what it believed to be the body of Brian Reed tangled in debris about 20 miles northwest of New Orleans. But Kenner Police Lt. Wayne McInnis said divers were unable to find it.

"We had the perfect image," said Tim Miller, director of EquuSearch. "There's no doubt it was him but it was in an area that has so much debris that doing anything there, it's really hard."

Divers trying to get to the body may have dislodged it as they moved debris, Miller said.

"And if they did it could have moved five feet or five miles. The current out there is pretty swift," McInnis said.

Miller said his crew was sifting through the sonar images taken throughout the day to see if they can narrow the search.

"We were really optimistic Sunday and this morning. Not so much now. We definitely have a difficult task ahead of us," Miller said.

Miller halted the search Monday after rain moved into the area. They were looking in the area where the man believed to be Brian Reed went in on Jan. 7, when he apparently jumped into the river after being confronted by a deputy sheriff.

Karen Reed, the mother of Ed and Brian Reed, said investigators found her son's shoes and jacket. She said the car the man ran from belonged to another brother.

On Monday the search was still centered on the area where he was last seen, about 200 feet downstream and about 50 feet out from the bank, Miller said.

"It's very tough on the edge of the Mississippi River," McInnis said. "There is a lot of debris from the bank out 30, 40 feet. You can't see more than a few feet in there even during daylight."

Boats were also making surface searches of the river up to eight miles downstream, Miller said. He continued to use sonar at the upriver site, and divers were also in the water.

"The conditions are very bad," Miller said. "Divers are finding 100 percent black water, the current is strong, and there are big ships going past steadily."

The river is only 15 feet deep at the original search site, Miller said, but quickly drops off to 30 feet, then 80 feet.

EquuSearch had promised the family it would search for one day, Miller said. Monday was the sixth day of looking.

"We've just been begging for that little bit of luck to go along with everything else," Miller said. "But so far we have not gotten it. At some point you have to say it's time to stop searching."

The St. Charles Parish Sheriff's Office said a deputy spotted a parked car that matched the description of one reported stolen. When the deputy told the man believed to be Brian Reed to put his hands behind his back, he bolted and ran into the river, authorities said.

Read more: http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/article/Mississippi-River-search-halted-for-Reed-brother-974073.php#ixzz1C3F1WZNX

http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2011/01/searchers_report_finding_body.html

Searchers find body in river at Kenner

Published: Tuesday, January 25, 2011, 5:17 PM     Updated: Tuesday, January 25, 2011, 7:05 PM
By Bob Ross, The Times-Picayune

(http://media.nola.com/tpphotos/photo/9222156-large.jpg)

Members of Texas Equusearch and others serch for the body of Brian Reed in the Mississippi River at Kenner on Tuesday.

Aided by volunteer rescue workers, law enforcement officials today recovered a body in the Mississippi River at Kenner, near where the brother of Baltimore Ravens safety Ed Reed disappeared.

Owner Tim Miller of Equusearch, the Texas search and rescue company that has been combing the river near the St. Charles Parish line, confirmed the discovery of the body, thought to be that of Brian Reed, 29. Working with Equusearch were searchers from the St. Charles and St. Tammany parish sheriff's offices.

Miller said he was contacted a week ago by the Reed family for help in the search. His nonprofit company, which has assisted in almost 1,200 searches in the past 10 years, brought boats, sonar equipment and divers to Kenner. The missing man's relatives remained inside a large trailer by the batture as the search continued near the south end of Alliance Street.

The family told Miller that Brian Reed battled mental illness, which likely explained his encounter with police Jan. 6, Miller said. That was the day that Reed, who lived in St. Rose, was last seen jumping into the river while being chased by a St. Charles Parish deputy sheriff on suspicion of driving a stolen vehicle.

Brian Reed
On its website, Equusearch said Reed suffered from schizophrenia and was off his medication. "His actions of fleeing from law enforcement are a direct result of his illness, and nothing more," the company said.

Searchers using sonar on Sunday detected what they thought was a submerged body, but divers did not find it.

An autopsy will be conducted Wednesday to confirm that the body recovered from the river is Brian Reed, Kenner police Lt. Wayne McInnis said. Authorities do not suspect foul play, he said.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 25, 2011, 09:42:46 PM
I am thankful that Tim Miller continues to provide assistance to the family of the missing but ... I find it so difficult to get passed his public disrespect of Natalee and Beth in an interview with Steph Watt while at the same time upholding Natalee's father to nth degree.

Janet

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WATT'S UP WITH THIS?  STEPH WATTS & TIM MILLER 9/19/2010

Audio:


http://www.blogtalkradio.com/watts-up-with-this/2010/09/20/watts-up-with-this#endframe


Read Between the Lines

Steph Watts:  Has Beth Holloway ever donated any money towards Texas Equusearch from her organization which I know for a fact from which I understand made millions and millions of dollars in donations.

Tim Miller:  Can everybody just kind of read between the lines, then let’s go to the next subject.


Exploiting Natalee's Disappearance and Death for Financial Gain

Tim Miller: I would believe that if she would not have went over there with film crews and reports are already out it’s about another documentary.  Money’s going to be paid.   It is almost like exploiting.  I know I’m going to get criticism over this but it’s only my opinion.  I feel like she’s exploiting Natalee’s disappearance and death for financial gain.


I want the Natalee Holloway Case to Go Away

Tim Miller:  I’m mad too and you know what Steph, I want the Caylee Anthony and Natalee Holloway cases to go away.  (Talks about Valerie Hamilton case)  But you know what ... I don’t know why...I don’t know why...Casey Anthony and Beth Holloway are the big stories.  People, you need to get something.  Caylee and Natalee are not the only two people that have ever been abducted and murdered.  Those are not the only two people that have suffered.

Steph Watts:  I agree Tim, and Tim Miller, the more time we waste  ... and I am guilty as charged talking about these two ... is time we’re not talking about cases like what you just mentioned.

Transcript: Texasmom

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WATT'S UP WITH THIS? STEPH WATTS & TIM MILLER 9/19/2010 (PARTIAL) TRANSCRIPT
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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8625.0





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Post by: Tamikosmom on January 25, 2011, 09:47:47 PM
self edit - my last post

I am thankful that Tim Miller continued to provide assistance s/b I am thankful that Tim Miller continues to provide assistance


Fixed = San


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 25, 2011, 10:36:57 PM
self edit - my last post

I am thankful that Tim Miller continued to provide assistance s/b I am thankful that Tim Miller continues to provide assistance


Fixed = San

Thanks San.

Janet


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Post by: Keepthefaith on January 26, 2011, 01:55:38 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY & STEPHANY FLORES

GOOD NIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH


::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
Post by: texasmom on January 26, 2011, 01:58:50 AM
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000930557406&v=wall#

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http://www.showdownrotterdam.nl/nieuwsbrief/39_december_2001/mymailbox

December 2001 Newsletter

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Showdown in the Caribbean
Al enige tijd hebben we contact met het Arubaanse blindeninstituut FAVI in de persoon van Mieke de Droog, directrice. Er bestaat grote belangstelling voor showdown op het zonnige eiland met de witte stranden en palmbomen. Eric Buld staat op het punt om een tafel en overig spelmateriaal op te sturen. Mieke de Droog zou in december een bezoek aan ons land brengen en wilde graag persoonlijk kennis maken en een showdownactiviteit bezoeken. Helaas is het bezoek afgelast wegens familieomstandigheden.

Google translation:

Showdown in the Caribbean
For some time we have contact with Aruban FAVI Institute for the Blind in the person of Mieke Dry, director. There is great interest showdown on the sunny island with white beaches and palm trees. Eric Buld is about a table and other play materials to send. Mieke would dry (de Droog) would in December to visit our land and wanted to personally meet and visit a showdown activity. Unfortunately, the visit was canceled due to family circumstances.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eduardo_Mathew

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On November 29, 2001, an incident took place in which the acting KIA governor (equivalent to a warden) was very seriously injured (broken eye socket, cheekbone and skull), and for which the applicant (Mathew) was subsequently convicted of inflicting serious bodily harm.

http://photos.state.gov/libraries/curacao/5/2010/WEEKLY_News_081410.pdf

Aruba – “Foxy Lady” Nightclub TIP Case; Alex Mathew Arrested

Alex Mathew and three others were arrested after Dutch authorities received a report
from the Ukraine about possible Trafficking in Persons violations at the Aruba “Foxy
Lady” Nightclub. In 2005 the Dutch Government has been ordered to pay Alex Mathew
10,000 Euros in damages by the European Court for Human Rights, because of the
punishment he was given after he beat Ben Vocking, the warden of Aruba’s KIA prison,
in 2001.
Because of his Aruban prison history, Mathew was moved a Bonaire detention
center. (Various media)


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Post by: texasmom on January 26, 2011, 02:08:18 AM
http://www.facebook.com/jeroen.vocking

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Post by: texasmom on January 26, 2011, 02:38:22 AM
http://photos.state.gov/libraries/curacao/215422/2011/WEEKLY_News_011511.pdf

News Items and Public Crime Summary for Week Ending
January 15, 2011


Curacao – PM Schotte and Four Cabinet Members Visit FOL

On the afternoon of Friday, January 7, Commander of the U.S. Forward Operating Location (FOL), Lieutenant Colonel Brian Bell along with his staff and U.S. Consul General Valerie Belon hosted Prime Minister Gerrit Schotte and Ministers Charles Cooper, George Jamaloodin, Abdul Nasser el Hakim, and Elmer Wilsoe for a briefing and tour of the FOL. Foreign Affairs Director Joelle de Jong-Mercelina was present too.  Sovereign Party leader Helmin Wiels criticized the FOL presence various times, but his Justice Minister Wilsoe was the FOL negotiator for the local government.  After the briefing, PM Schotte and the ministers received a tour of the FOL facilities including a U.S. Air Force AWACs aircraft currently in Curacao to support counter-drug
operations. (Antilliaans Dagblad)

Curacao – 17 Kilos of Cocaine Confiscated and 5 Arrested in Narcotics Case
Law Enforcement Agencies raided various homes in Curacao and arrested at least five people in an international investigation into drug trafficking. They confiscated 17 kilos of cocaine and arrested three crew members of two small vessels at Caracasbaai, last Friday. The suspects are reportedly charged with trafficking cocaine to the Netherlands from Venezuela and Colombia via Curacao. Also, Drug Enforcement Administration agents supported the actions. (Various media)

Curacao – Chinese Businesses Interested to Invest?
Chinese Ambassador to the Netherlands Zhang Jun will travel to Curacao before the end of this month, according to Minister of Infrastructure Charles Cooper. Ambassador Zhang Jun has scheduled meetings with PM Gerrit Schotte and Minister Plenipotentiary Sheldry Osepa. Cooper hopes the Chinese government will renovate its deteriorated property at Scharlooweg 53 known as “Chinese Club” which it purchased in 2008.
(Amigoe)

Curacao – Tourism Bureau Expands Promotion in Venezuela
The Curacao Tourism Bureau announced it is expanding its media promotion campaign in Venezuela. Venezuelan tourism has dropped 62% during the first 10 months of 2010.
(Antilliaans Dagblad)

St. Maarten – Government Requests Dutch Police Reinforcements
The St. Maarten Police Chief Peter de Witte has asked Dutch Home Affairs and Kingdom Relations Minister Piet Hein Donner for 20 Dutch police officers for a total of three-years in an effort to strengthen his police corps. St. Maarten is missing expertise and has insufficient capacity to train its officers, De Witte said. (Extra)

Curacao – Customs Purchases Baggage Scanner for Airport Security
Customs Director Julian Lopez Ramirez announced that two German Smiths Heimann baggage scanners were deployed at Hato International Airport. A total of three excess scanners were purchased from Amsterdam Schiphol Airport. The new scanners improve efficiency and enable us to meet the latest counter terrorism regulations, Lopez Ramirez said. (Antilliaans Dagblad)

Curacao – MinJus Wilsoe: “Parliamentarians Should Visit USFOL Too”
Curacao Justice Minister Elmer Wilsoe said Parliamentarians should visit the U.S. Forward Operating Location (USFOL) to understand the magnitude of its operation, just like five cabinet members did on Monday. It is important to accurately and duly inform Venezuela concerning the true USFOL mission to avoid speculations about espionage and other rumors. The USFOL not only benefits Curacao but the entire region, Wilsoe stated. Senators and other organizations will truly benefit from a USFOL visit because often the USFOL is criticized out of ignorance and opinions change after experiencing the true value of the USFOL.  Some believe the U.S. uses the USFOL for espionage, but in reality they only combat organized crime, counter narcotics in particular. The USFOL is only a benefit to Curacao; there is nothing negative in fighting crime. However, it is important to keep Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez in the loop because the USFOL counter narcotics efforts benefit the entire region. According to Wilsoe, President Chavez looks at the USFOL from an espionage angle but there are other ways to spy, the USFOL is not needed to accomplish that. The idea the USFOL is used for espionage is a total
misconception. It is our sovereign decision to host the USFOL, Wilsoe stated. (Extra)

C