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Wow! I don't remember seeing that before Muffy! It's beautiful!  ::MonkeyAngel::

I agree. Thanks for the help in getting here!

sassi, it came from one of crankycrankerson's photo albums.  I thought it was lovely too and that's why I used it to head up this thread. 

Oh what a beautiful picture.  I love the sky picture. 

Adam Baker needs to be behind bars along with gothmonster.  I hope it happens soon!

Justice is coming Zahra.....  ::MonkeyAngel::

Zahra Baker murder: Stepmum and dad involved in 'chainsaw massacre roleplay'

    * By Mitch Weiss
    * From: AP
    * January 05, 2011 10:20AM

    * Zahra died two weeks before cops told
    * Parents "discussed murder game online"
    * Stepmum's phone records in the spotlight

POLICE believe Zahra Baker's stepmother and father talked in an online community about a "chainsaw massacre role play", search warrants have revealed.

A stack of search warrants released today by a judge in North Carolina also show that Zahra's stepmother, Elisa Baker, confessed to police that Zahra had died more than two weeks before she and her husband reported her missing.

No one has been charged in the death of the 10-year-old Australian girl.

Zahra, who had a prosthetic leg and hearing aides after a struggle with bone cancer, lived in Newcastle, the Hunter Valley and Townsville before moving to Hickory, North Carolina, with her father, Adam, two years ago after he met his new wife on the internet.

While the warrants provide new details about the investigation, they don't reveal how Zahra might have died.

Elisa Baker is currently in jail on charges of obstructing justice during the investigation.

Her Australian husband, Adam Baker, is free on bond after being arrested on charges unrelated to his daughter.

The warrants shed light on some of the chronology of the disappearance of the little girl.

According to two warrants, Ms Baker told Hickory police on November 19 that Zahra died on September 24, more than two weeks before she was reported missing on October 9.

She also told police that her husband dismembered Zahra's body and that the couple disposed of her remains in several locations on September 25.

Police found the girl's remains based on information provided by Ms Baker, who accompanied them to some of the sites.

But the warrants go on to say that mobile phone records from September 24-25 show that Adam Baker wasn't in the places where Zahra's remains were dumped.

Mobile phone records do show that Ms Baker was in those places at those times, according to warrants.

Ms Baker's lawyers sought today to have her bond of nearly $US100,000 ($99,400) lowered, but a Superior Court judge in Newton postponed a hearing on the request until March 7.

Many of the documents unsealed today show that police and prosecutors sought Ms Baker's medical records from various local hospitals, and information from at least seven county social service agencies about prior investigations into whether Ms Baker had abused her three biological children.

Police also sought information from the Instant Messaging Virtual Universe IMVU website. The social networking and gaming site allows users to create three-dimensional avatars and communicate with each other.

According to a November 8 warrant, police were told an IMVU user had a conversation with the Bakers "regarding their involvement with chainsaw massacre roleplaying."

"The date of September 22 was given regarding their virtual family 'doing a murder with chainsaws'," according to the warrant, although it isn't clear from the document what "chainsaw massacre roleplaying" entailed.

The little girl's death provoked an outpouring of grief in North Carolina and Australia, including candlelight vigils on what would have been her 11th birthday in November.

The documents also reveal information about Ms Baker's ongoing relationship with her former husband, Aaron Young. Ms Baker was married to him before Mr Baker. The documents say Ms Baker told Mr Baker that Aaron Young was her brother.

Investigators said Ms Baker and Mr Young had been in contact even though they were estranged, and officers were trying to get his telephone records.

"Obtaining Aaron Young's telephone records or telephone number will likely provide information substantially related to this homicide investigation," according to the court documents.

But Christy Young, who says she is Aaron's wife, said he had had little contact with Ms Baker.

"I didn't know anything about this. What they're saying I don't think is right," she said.

She said her husband used to play IMVU, but that it was "harmless".

The case has generated numerous reports from Baker family members and friends that Ms Baker often beat Zahra and kept her locked in a bedroom for most of the day.

Ms Baker has been charged with obstructing justice for allegedly writing a ransom note demanding $1 million.

The note was found on a car at the family's home hours before Zahra was reported missing.


Read more: http://www.news.com.au/world/stepmum-told-cops-zahra-died-in-september/story-e6frfkyi-1225982270159#ixzz1ACb5imzt

Baker Stepmum showing cracks

Updated: 12:33, Wednesday January 5, 2011

US police investigating the death of Australian girl Zahra Baker have looked into reports her stepmother and father talked in an online community about a chainsaw massacre role play days before the girl may have died.

Search warrants released today show Adam and Elisa Baker discussed their avatars on a roleplaying site committing a chainsaw murder on September 22.

The warrants also show that Elisa Baker told police that Zahra died two days later and that Adam Baker dismembered her body and disposed of her remains the next day.

But it remains unclear exactly how Zahra died.

The stepmother of Zahra Baker has told police the Australian-born girl died more than two weeks before she and her husband reported her missing.

A stack of search warrants released on Tuesday also show that Zahra's stepmother Elisa Baker told police the girl died more than two weeks before she was reported missing.

No one has been charged in the death of the 10-year-old girl, who had a prosthetic leg and hearing aides after a struggle with bone cancer.

While the warrants released on Tuesday provide new details about the investigation, they don't reveal how Zahra might have died.

Elisa Baker is currently in jail on charges of obstructing justice during the investigation.

Her Australian husband, Adam Baker, is free on bond after being arrested on charges unrelated to his daughter.

The warrants shed light on some of the chronology of the disappearance of the little girl, which has riveted the North Carolina town of Hickory, where she lived with her father and American stepmother, and her native Australia.

According to two warrants, Elisa Baker told Hickory police in a November 19 interview that Zahra died on September 24, more than two weeks before she was reported missing on October 9.

Elisa Baker also told police that Adam Baker dismembered the girl's body and that the couple disposed of her remains in several locations on September 25.

Police found the girl's remains through information provided by Elisa Baker, who accompanied them to some of the sites.

But the warrants go on to say that mobile phone records from September 24-25 show that Adam Baker wasn't in the places where Zahra's remains were dumped.

Mobile phone records do show that Elisa Baker was in those places at those times, according to warrants.

Elisa Baker's lawyers sought on Tuesday to have her bond of nearly $US100,000 lowered, but a Superior Court judge in Newton postponed a hearing on the request until March 7.

Many of the documents unsealed on Tuesday show that police and prosecutors sought Elisa Baker's medical records from various local hospitals, and information from at least seven county social service agencies about prior investigations into whether Elisa Baker had abused her three biological children.

Police also sought information from the Instant Messaging Virtual Universe IMVU website. The social networking and gaming site allows users to create three-dimensional avatars and communicate with each other.

According to a November 8 warrant, police were told an IMVU user had a conversation with Adam Baker and Elisa Baker 'regarding their involvement with chainsaw massacre roleplaying.'

'The date of September 22 was given regarding their virtual family 'doing a murder with chainsaws',' according to the warrant, although it isn't clear from the document what 'chainsaw massacre roleplaying' entailed.

Adam Baker moved to North Carolina from Australia with his daughter after meeting Elisa online.

The little girl's death provoked an outpouring of grief in North Carolina and Australia, including candlelight vigils on what would have been her 11th birthday in November.

The documents also reveal information about Elisa Baker's ongoing relationship with her former husband, Aaron Young. Elisa Baker was married to him before Adam Baker. The documents say Elisa Baker told Adam Baker that Aaron Young was her brother.

Investigators said Elisa Baker and Aaron Young had been in contact even though they were estranged, and officers were trying to get his telephone records.

'Obtaining Aaron Young's telephone records or telephone number will likely provide information substantially related to this homicide investigation,' according to the court documents.

But Christy Young, who says she is Aaron's wife, said he had had little contact with Elisa Baker.

'I didn't know anything about this. What they're saying I don't think is right,' she told The Associated Press.

She said her husband used to play IMVU, but that it was 'harmless'.

http://www.skynews.com.au/world/article.aspx?id=560375&vId=2072857&cId=World&play=true

Uh huh, you just keep telling yourself that.  :(

From the last thread:

Tol and Sass, thanks!   ::MonkeyKiss::  It's good to be back.  Am duct-taping myself into the chair.  lol 

 ::MonkeyJnBox::


........  Now if only we could have a perp walk in this case...

I just do NOT get why he is out and still walking around, a free man excuse-for-a-man.  WTH?? 

We demand justice for Zahra!! 

by golly gosh darn. 

So, I've been going through all of the phone numbers in the warrants to see who they belong to. The one on the last pages of http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2011/0104/26368858.pdf (http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2011/0104/26368858.pdf) belongs to someone named Kevin Ferrari. Calls were made to him by both EB and AB. These are the sorts of people that they associated with. I can't wrap my mind around what may have happened in that poor girl's life before it was so tragically ended.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

First Name KEVIN Middle Name PAUL Last Name FERRARI
Primary Address N/A City N/A State N/A
ZIP Code N/A Phone Number N/A Date of Birth N/A
Race CAUCASIAN Height 70" Weight 185 LBS
Hair Color GRAY Offense Date 20060601 Court CATAWBA
Source State NC Offense 14-202.1 INDECENT LIBERTY W/CHILD  Disposition GUILTY
Gender MALE

3  FERRARI, KEVIN PAUL  N/A  14-202.1 INDECENT LIBERTY W/CHILD  20060601  NC   
First Name KEVIN Middle Name PAUL Last Name FERRARI
Primary Address N/A City N/A State N/A
ZIP Code N/A Phone Number N/A Date of Birth N/A
Race CAUCASIAN Height 70" Weight 185 LBS
Hair Color GRAY Offense Date 20060601 Court CATAWBA
Source State NC Offense 14-202.1 INDECENT LIBERTY W/CHILD  Disposition GUILTY
Gender MALE
 
10  FERRARI, KEVIN PAUL  19571113  14-202.1 CONVICT:INDECENT LIBERTIES WITH CHILD  20060601  NC   
First Name KEVIN Middle Name PAUL Last Name FERRARI
Primary Address N/A City CONOVER State NC
ZIP Code 28613 Phone Number N/A Date of Birth 19571113
Street 435 FAIRGROVE CH RD Race CAUCASIAN Offense Date 20060601
Source State NC Offense 14-202.1 CONVICT:INDECENT LIBERTIES WITH CHILD  Disposition JUDGE (TRIAL BY JUDGE OR GUILTY PLEA BEFORE JUDGE AT DISTRICT COURT LEVEL, GUILTY PLEA AT SUPERIOR C
Gender MALE  ::MonkeySlide::
 
11  FERRARI, KEVIN PAUL  19571113  14-202.1.A.1 INDECENT LIBERTY MINOR - SEX AROUSAL WITH A CHILD   NC   
First Name KEVIN Middle Name PAUL Last Name FERRARI
Primary Address N/A City CONOVER State NC
ZIP Code 28613 Phone Number N/A Date of Birth 19571113
Street 435 FAIRGROVE CH RD SE Race CAUCASIAN Height 69"
Weight 212 LBS Hair Color GRY Source State NC
Offense 14-202.1.A.1 INDECENT LIBERTY MINOR - SEX AROUSAL WITH A CHILD  Gender MALE
 
12  FERRARI, KEVIN PAUL  19571113  14-202.1.A.1 INDECENT LIBERTY MINOR - SEX AROUSAL WITH A CHILD   NC   
First Name KEVIN Middle Name PAUL Last Name FERRARI
Primary Address N/A City CONOVER State NC
ZIP Code 28613 Phone Number N/A Date of Birth 19571113
Street 435 FAIRGROVE CH RD SE Race CAUCASIAN Height 69"
Weight 212 LBS Hair Color GRY Source State NC
Offense 14-202.1.A.1 INDECENT LIBERTY MINOR - SEX AROUSAL WITH A CHILD  Gender MALE
 

Don't know if this has been posted but I thought it was interesting. I try to follow the news where I used to live and found this...

Gaston County tie established in Zahra Baker homicide investigation.

http://www.gastongazette.com/news/zahra-54009-county-homicide.html

HI WYKES! (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/poppyflower.gif)

Yes, let's walk that perp..

I wonder if Adam & Elisa were playing the  "Chainsaw Massacre" game to practice for what they did.... ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::MonkeyNoNo::   ::MonkeyEek::


Stepmother's aunt: NC girl died of natural causes



RALEIGH, N.C. -- A relative of Zahra Baker's stepmother says the woman told her the little girl died of natural causes before being dismembered.

Boncetta "Buzzie" Winkler of Hickory told The Associated Press Wednesday that she visited her niece, Elisa Baker, in jail this week. The meeting was first reported by WSOC-TV in Charlotte.

Winkler says she was told that 10-year-old Zahra had been sick for two weeks before she died. Winkler says Elisa Baker told her that she and her husband panicked and dismembered the girl, scattering her body parts in various locations.

No one has been charged in Zahra's death. Elisa Baker is in jail on charges of obstructing the investigation.

Calls to lawyers in the case weren't immediately returned late Wednesday.

http://www.newsobserver.com/2011/01/05/901804/stepmothers-aunt-nc-girl-died.html

Zahra is sick and they "panic" rather than taking her to a Dr., rather than taking her to a Hosp, rather than calling 911, a little girl who unfortunately was no stranger to harsh medical procedures and numerous appointments.  They "panic" for two flippin weeks she was sick and dismember her.

I call TOTAL BS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 :smt097  :smt071 :2brickwall: :smt071 :smt068

It is infuriating.... I can't stand it!  I want Adam Baker behind bars where he belongs. 

Reposting the newest warrants

PDF: Search Warrants In Zahra Case, Part 1 (Includes warrants regarding Elisa Baker’s medical records and Aaron Young’s phone records.)
http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2011/0104/26368797.pdf

• PDF: Search Warrants In Zahra Case, Part 2 (Includes warrants regarding Elisa Baker’s medical records, Department of Social Services records and Adam Baker’s phone records.)
http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2011/0104/26368823.pdf

• PDF: Search Warrants In Zahra Case, Part 3 (Includes warrants regarding Department of Social Services records and Elisa Baker’s medical records.)
http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2011/0104/26368824.pdf

• PDF: Search Warrants In Zahra Case, Part 4 (Includes warrants regarding Elisa Baker’s medical records.)
http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2011/0104/26368827.pdf

• PDF: Search Warrants In Zahra Case, Part 5 (Includes warrants regarding searches of the Bakers’ Hickory home and a claim that Adam Baker and Elisa Baker took part in "chainsaw massacre role-playing.")
http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2011/0104/26368831.pdf

• PDF: Search Warrants In Zahra Case, Part 6 (Includes warrants regarding Elisa Baker’s phone records and Department of Social Services records.)
http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2011/0104/26368858.pdf

I call BS, too.
They must think everyone is as dim witted as they are.

<snipped>
Elisa Baker’s aunt, Buzzie Winkler, said her niece told her Zahra Baker died after being sick. Elisa and Adam Baker didn't know what to do, Winkler said.

“She said (Zahra) had been sick about two weeks and then they went in and found her dead that night,” Winkler, who visited Elisa Baker in jail this week, said. “They didn't know what to do.”

Elisa Baker’s attorney, Scott Reilly, met with her in jail on Wednesday afternoon to discuss the unsealed warrants. Elisa Baker has been jailed over the course of the investigation, charged with obstruction of justice after police said she admitted to writing a fake ransom note on the day that Zahra was reported missing.

“Don't jump to any conclusion on the case,” Reilly told Channel 9. “Other than that, I don't have any comment.”

The unsealed documents show police and prosecutors sought records from a variety of wireless communication providers, including cell phone records for men Elisa Baker had been romantically involved with before marrying Adam Baker.

One of those men was Aaron Young, who was married to Elisa at some point. The documents say Elisa and Young remained close and that she told Adam that Young was her brother. One warrant says pictures on the Facebook pages maintained by both Elisa and Young showed him with Zahra Baker.

“Obtaining Aaron Young's telephone records or telephone number will likely provide information substantially related to this homicide investigation,” the court documents say.

Young was again mentioned, along with Adam and Elisa Baker, in a portion of the warrants that details investigators’ efforts to get records from the Instant Messaging Virtual Universe website. The social networking and gaming site allows users to create three-dimensional avatars and communicate with each other.

According to a Nov. 8 warrant, police were told that an IMVU user had a conversation with Adam Baker and Elisa Baker "regarding their involvement with chainsaw massacre role-playing" that included Young.

"The date of Sept. 22 was given regarding their virtual family 'doing a murder with chainsaws,"' the warrant says.

Some of the unsealed warrants also showed that police sought Elisa Baker's medical records from several local hospitals. They also wanted information from social service agencies including Caldwell, Gaston and Alexander counties about past allegations of abuse involving Elisa Baker and her three biological children dating as far back as 1999.

The documents also mention a report filed in July 2010 regarding allegations that Elisa Baker had been physically abusing Zahra Baker and had given her a black eye. The report was filed with the Caldwell County Department of Social Services and then transferred to the Catawba County DSS, the warrants say.

The documents also paint a clearer picture of what investigators collected from the Bakers’ home on 21st Avenue NW in Hickory. Warrants from October and November reveal that, in addition to cutting out parts of the wall and floor in the home, officers took cameras and more than a half-dozen cell phones during a search of the home. They also took more than 30 blood swabs, tissue and hair samples and removed hearing aid parts, crutches, latex gloves, a knife and a stun gun from the home.

Police declined to comment on the case and the unsealed warrants. A source told Channel 9 that only a summary of the case has been presented to the district attorney. The case involves thousands more pages of information that has not yet been given to prosecutors.

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/26366558/detail.html?cxntlid=cmg_cntnt_rss

Buzzie spewing the bullsnit

Elisa Baker's Aunt: Zahra Baker Died Naturally (video)

http://www.wsoctv.com/video/26379915/index.html

Buzzie is concerned gothmonster lost a lot of weight while in jail

Maybe the jail will find her dead one night and dismember her while they "panic"

More from Buzzie tonight and what gothmonster thinks of the DA.  I can not wait for that one. Someone please break out the valium kitty

IDK, but I understand the need to get all nfo, evidence, facts together...but it seems like it is taking so long. Hope they are getting what they need to convict them both.

Zahra has been added to my list of children that haunt my thoughts...I think of them every day.  ::MonkeyJustice::

Yes, it is. And it is hard to believe anyone would/could do this.  I had to take a break after all that came out, but now I am just plain MAD. I don't get it...what has happened to our world?

I am a big animal rights advocate, and some nights I cannot sleep thinking about an animal I saw during the day...then I caught the first NG about Caylee...I am now an insomniac.

Everyone tells me I can't save them all [critters] but I feel if I can save just one, I am making a difference.

Sorry for rambling...I am just so mad. Sorry

 ::MonkeyTongue:: I think we will all need  a lot of vk before justice is served.

Maybe she can bake her a nice peach pie like Aunt Bea used to do in The Andy Griffith Show.
Puhlease...What is wrong with these people? It's getting me nuts.

who panics and dismembers their own child's body after she dies of natural causes???
crazy wackadoodles these 2! Adam...go directly to jail where you belong you scum bag.
Who could do that to their own child???? grrrrr ::MonkeyMad::

Nobody panicked. As hard as it is to think, I believe that witch dreamed about what she did to Zahra.

There's a special place waiting for Elisa, and the sooner she gets there the better, IMO.   ::MonkeyMad::

Come on now!  Does Buzzie WInkler REALLY think that a visit from Aunt Buzzie is going to soften up ol' Elisa Eliza Lisa (what's her name today?)'s heart enough to where she is going to really confess what happened?  Puh-freaking-lease.  I'm sorry, no offense meant to the sweet (?) lil' ol' lady from North Carolina, but maybe if she got a good view of what Elisa was like on IMVU, or her myspace, or all the 666 references, she'd realize that sweet little 'Liza is eLyingElisa and just to pray for the woman, but otherwise not believe a word that comes from her mouth.

Relative: Disabled NC girl died of natural causes

RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) - A relative of Zahra Baker's stepmother said Wednesday that the jailed woman told her the 10-year-old girl died of an illness and that her parents "went wild," dismembering and hiding her remains.

Boncetta "Buzzie" Winkler, 76, told The Associated Press that she met this week with her niece, Elisa Baker, and talked about what happened to the freckle-faced Australian girl whose disappearance and death have riveted communities in North Carolina and her native country.

"She'd been sick two weeks before she died," Winkler said. "When they found her, I guess they didn't know what to do. They just went wild."

According to search warrants and other court documents unsealed this week, Elisa Baker has told police that Zahra died on Sept. 24, about two weeks before she was reported missing. Elisa Baker told police that the girl was dismembered after she died, and her remains scattered in various locations in western North Carolina.

No one has been charged in Zahra's death, and neither the hundreds of pages of court documents released so far nor statements from investigators have said how she died. Elisa Baker is currently in jail on charges of obstructing the investigation into Zahra's disappearance.

According to one warrant unsealed Tuesday, in a Nov. 19 interview with police in Hickory, Elisa Baker said her husband, Adam Baker, "dismembered Zahra Baker's limbs, and they disposed of them in various locations" after the girl died.

The warrant went on to say, though, that cell phone records indicate Adam Baker was not in the locations where Zahra's remains were found on the day Elisa Baker indicated, but that cell phone records showed she was present in those locations. Elisa Baker led police to the places where they found Zarha's remains, according to the documents.

The jailhouse meeting between the aunt and her niece was first reported by WSOC-TV.

"She's pretty upset, and she's lost a lot of weight," Winkler said of Elisa Baker.

Calls to Elisa Baker's lawyer were not immediately returned late Wednesday night.

Adam Baker is free on bond, facing numerous charges that are not related to his daughter.

Adam Baker moved to North Carolina with Zahra after meeting Elisa online. Zahra needed a prosthetic leg, having lost a limb to bone cancer. The chemotherapy she underwent also left her using two hearing aides.

The little girl was remembered by family friends as constantly smiling despite the hardship she endured, and her death shook the small town of Hickory, about 60 miles north of Charlotte. Hundreds of people attended a candlelight vigil there in November, on what would have been her 11th birthday

http://www.ktre.com/Global/story.asp?S=13790770

Aunt gives new details on how Zahra may have died (video on top right)


http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13774355

Her story about Zahra being sick, dying, and parents dimembering her is just way too far fetched. 

Let's see now.......

My child is sick........... do I take her to the doctor or do I do nothing?

I allow my child to get so sick she dies. Do I call 911 or grab a chainsaw?

My child's lifeless body is before me. Do I make preparations to lay her to rest with dignity or start dismembering her and transporting her body parts all over the county?

COME ON, ELISA! You aren't fooling anyone and the more you go down this ridiculous path, the more heinous you expose yourself to be! For you to throw this BS out there, what you did must really be something you never want anyone to know!

In this video they say another search warrant was obtained yesterday.  Wonder what that was about? 

Hi NR! I noticed that too.  :smt102

They may as well say Zanny the nanny took her. It is just as far fetched. Why would they dismember her because she died? They had something to cover up even if they didn't out right kill her. With no medical treatment in years, they may as well have killed her. I am sure she suffered greatly in their hands. Dying from neglect is as bad as putting a knife in her chest or choking her. Does Elisa's lawyer think anyone is really going to buy this.  (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/BS-flag.gif)

totally!!

Really???? Really???? They panicked and just started cutting up their child?  Who does that????? 

BS BS BS!!!!!

I am good and mad now.  Nobody is going to buy the BS they are spewing.

Justice for Zahra!!!

 ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyJustice::

I'm just trying to keep in mind what a damn fool Elisa is. Her mouth was a source of torture to Zahra, I'm sure. That same filthy mouth is full of dirt now as she just keeps working it. She's digging her own grave. I hope she chokes. Slowly.

Fly it high Fanny! That thing needs to wave over Elisa's cell!!

I wonder how Aaron is doing now that his wife was asked by media about his continued contact with gothmonster.  He kept saying he had no contact with her for many months.  Phone records do not lie

Maybe the marriage right after Zahra went missing was not as strange as it appeared. (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/biggrin.gif)

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/ZahraClareBaker/Image71-1.png)

Elisa's aunt.

Says Elisa told her they found Zahra dead and panicked.

Did not know what DDC would do.

From video on right at: http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13774355

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Oh! Puleeze!!!

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/ZahraClareBaker/Image72-1.png)

From the video at: http://www.wsoctv.com/video/26379915/index.html

I noticed you can see the tree is gone and the living room window is boarded up.

In the video, Elisa's lawyer says the reason court was continued is because they "haven't even received discovery."

For Northern Rose

(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff15/sueann37/valium-kitty3.gif)

I am  !!!  with u CBB all the way !

FOR ELISA ~

 I recommend..."off with her head !" ::MonkeyCheer4::

Aaron Young lavished every minute of the attention he got as a result of this case. His horsey a&s comments and answers to many posters and readers on blogs. He sure sucked up to a few at Websleuths. I find it revolting. ::MonkeyMad::


I have said all along and I feel it deep in my bones, THAT MAN PLAYED SOME PART IN THIS WITH HIS EX WIFE.

It just feels right to me. I feel that Aaron was too willing to jump in and offer answers and input about a child he did not know that well, or did he. Did his male relatives ? This is all bizarre. I feel like I am readng a  script for a Stephen King movie or something.

U guys are a riot, but all of us could use a laugh about now.
BIZARRE and INSANE this case.

Relative: Stepmother Claims Illness Killed North Carolina Girl

A relative of Zahra Baker's stepmother said the woman told her the little girl died of natural causes before being dismembered.

Boncetta "Buzzie" Winkler, of Hickory, N.C., told The Associated Press Wednesday that she visited her niece, Elisa Baker, in jail this week.

Winkler says she was told that 10-year-old Zahra had been sick for two weeks before she died. Winkler says Elisa Baker told her that she and her husband panicked and dismembered the girl, scattering her body parts in various locations.

Two other relatives told the Charlotte ******* that the Bakers didn't take the girl to a hospital because they feared authorities would find out that Adam Baker was in the country illegally. Elisa Baker was also being investigated by social workers at the time, the relative told the newspaper.

No one has been charged in Zahra's death. Elisa Baker is in jail on charges of obstructing the investigation.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/01/06/relative-stepmother-claims-illness-killed-north-carolina-girl/

I wonder how some of them folks that bought into his carp are feeling now. I hear you fill up pretty quick when you have to eat your words.

Family: Stepmother says illness killed Zahra Baker
Relatives say Bakers feared going to the hospital because the girl and her father were in U.S. illegally.


HICKORY Zahra Baker's stepmother claims she found the little girl dead after an illness that lasted some two weeks, and decided in a panic to get rid of the child's body instead of reporting the death, family members say.

Two relatives told the ******* the Bakers didn't take Zahra to a hospital and might have feared authorities because Zahra's father, Adam Baker, is in the country illegally, and because social workers had investigated her stepmother, Elisa Baker. The two relatives spoke on the condition of anonymity, and authorities won't comment on the allegations.

The family members' comments offer the first explanation of how the 10-year-old girl might have died and why her body was dismembered and discarded.


"She told me the whole time, every time I've visited her, that she did not kill Zahra. She found her dead," said another family member, Kathy Fairchild, who is a cousin of Elisa Baker.

Fairchild says she has visited Elisa Baker in jail three times and received several letters from her. No one has been charged in Zahra's death, but Elisa Baker has been jailed because police say she admitted writing a phony ransom note in the case.

Authorities confirmed for the ******* that Zahra's father is in the country illegally. He moved to the United States with his daughter in 2008 from their native Australia, where Adam and Elisa Baker had married after an online romance.

The Bakers might have stayed away from medical authorities and other officials because they feared Adam and Zahra could be deported if their immigration status were discovered, according to one of the relatives who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

Search warrant documents released Tuesday say Elisa had not yet divorced her prior husband at the time she married Adam. So it's unclear whether their Australian marriage is legitimate.

In general, marriages that are legally performed and valid abroad are also valid in the United States.

Family members say Adam Baker and his daughter came to the U.S. on a visa, possibly a tourist visa, that later expired. Relatives weren't sure what steps the couple might have taken toward obtaining a green card that would make Adam and Zahra permanent U.S. residents.


Search warrant records show that Elisa Baker told authorities that Zahra died on Sept. 24, more than two weeks before she was reported missing. The relative who spoke on condition of anonymity said family asked Elisa about Zahra because they hadn't seen her, and Elisa told them Zahra was sick with a virus.

But another Baker relative wonders if Zahra really died naturally, citing previous allegations of abuse against Elisa Baker.

"She may have gone too far," the relative said.

Investigators say reports made to DSS cite numerous investigations into abuse allegations as far back as 1999. Baker's previous attorney confirmed investigations were conducted but said the agency had not substantiated the claims.

Nearly three months after the hearing-impaired girl with the bright smile was reported missing, charges have yet to be brought in the gruesome death, leaving family members and residents frustrated.

Zahra's story has captured widespread attention because the child had survived so much, including cancer, the loss of part of her leg and possibly abuse.


Police are continuing to investigate.

They announced in November that they had matched Zahra's DNA to the DNA taken from a child's bone discovered in Caldwell County. They found more of her remains along a creek five miles away.

Documents call Elisa Baker a suspect in the case.

Search warrants say Elisa Baker told authorities Adam Baker dismembered his daughter's body, and that the couple dumped the remains in a various locations. Phone records retrieved in the investigation place Elisa Baker's phone at the dump sites but not Adam's.

Adam Baker was arrested on Oct. 25 on unrelated charges of writing bad checks and communicating threats. He was released two days later after posting bond.

Catawba County Sheriff's Capt. Mark Shook told the ******* that immigration authorities contacted the jail hours after Adam Baker was released and informed them Baker was in the country illegally and should be detained.

Immigration authorities declined to discuss the case but said they typically don't get involved with immigrants who are involved in U.S. criminal investigations until those cases are resolved.

Both Elisa and Adam Baker deny any wrongdoing in Zahra's death.

Kathy Fairchild said Elisa Baker has been sick, depressed, and has lost a lot of weight during her time in jail.

"It's very hard when you think someone in your family might have had something to do with (a crime)," Fairchild says. "I hope it's not true."

At least Zahra is now in peace, she says.

"The only thing that makes me feel better is that Zahra is in heaven. She can dance. She can hear."

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/01/06/1958840/family-stepmother-says-illness.html

No way did Zahra die of natural causes.
Neglect, maybe..natural causes...not.
I despise these people.
Lock 'em all up until they get the truth.

snipped from above:

At least Zahra is now in peace, she says.

"The only thing that makes me feel better is that Zahra is in heaven. She can dance. She can hear."

yeah, well, Zahra should have been allowed to be in peace and to dance and hear while still being here on Earth and enjoying being a 10 yr old kid instead of being in Heaven...grrrrr.... ::MonkeyMad::
 

immigration authorities contacted the jail hours after Adam Baker was released and informed them Baker was in the country illegally and should be detained   ::MonkeyNoNo::    ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

I do not understand why LE does not pick his sorry arse up, throw him behind bars and leave him there for this latest revelation that he is in the country illegally AND Immigration asked for him to be detained.  Ma Baker could go visit him every day and bake him a few cakes. 

Before Christmas there was one report that some of the others from the Baker clan were heading to the US.  Nothing more reported on that.  They were supposed to be all gathering for a private memorial. 

I hope immigration is keeping an eye on Ma Baker as well and makes sure she has to go back before her visitor visa expires.  I want to see how sonny boy copes without his mama wiping his butt for him. 

Is his mom still here?

What a shame Elisa has been sick in jail.  Maybe they could borrow a wood chipper to make her feel all better.

I believe she is.  Kat-Gram may have a better idea with her FB reading.  I have not had time to keep up with the clan on FB.

Unless you get an extension a visitors visa is normally good for 6 months.

Even if you are abetting someone known to be in the country illegally?  I doubt he could afford many things without mama right now. 

I wonder how his family can afford to keep two households going (Australia & NC). They are not wealthy.

Exactly, 4Donks.  I brought this up in earlier postings.  What the heck are they living on? 
I am just worried that AB will 'get away' somehow.  I am sure he is being tailed, but I would feel better if he was locked up.

So, they wouldn't get Zahra medical care because her father was here illegally and that came before treatment for her??? Since when does a doctor or hospital ask what your status is being here in the United States. Illegals get treatment every single day. Just some more BS. Why didn't they ask for an extension for the visas? Oh, they were too busy writing bad checks, and hiding for the child protective services. NORTHERN, pass Valium Kitty.... ::MonkeyMad::

Exactly Fanny Mae!

You know he was being paid under the table (no SS#) so I say arrest the fool for tax evasion. Just lock him up  ::MonkeyMad::

Funny how they can dig up money for this, but couldn't seem to get by without passing bad checks before and not paying bills. He should be sitting in jail for the same things Elisa is. He had the same charges. At some point, he must have realized he was married illegally to a woman who was not divorced and stayed in the situation anyway. He could have taken Zahra and gone back home to mama long ago. I am sure she would have paid for it. No, Adam is up to his neck in this as much as Elisa and should be getting a cot in the slammer.

Updated: Elisa Baker says Zahra died Sept. 24
Relative: Zahra died of natural causes


NEWTON --
Zahra Baker was likely killed on Sept. 24, and her body disposed of the following day, according to new search warrants released Tuesday. She was not reported missing until about two weeks later.

Elisa has also been arrested on several other charges unrelated to Zahra's disappearance. Adam was arrested, as well, on several charges unrelated to the case, but is out of jail on bond.

The Associated Press is reporting that Elisa Baker told a relative that Zahra died of natural causes.

In the search warrants, Elisa maintains that Adam dismembered Zahra's limbs and they disposed of them in several locations.

All search warrants in the Zahra Baker investigation were unsealed Tuesday.

Using, the GPS location in her cell phone, investigators could show that on Sept. 25, Elisa was in the areas where parts of Zahra have been recovered. Those areas include a bone and her prosthesis on Christie Road and part of her remains on Dudley Shoals Road, both in Caldwell County. From the information provided by Elisa, Adam was not in the area where Zahra was disposed of, according to his GPS location.

The search warrants also state that Elisa Baker purchased a bed prior to Oct. 12, when Angie Foster was interviewed by Capt. Thurman Whisnant and Sgt. Brett Porter with the Hickory Police Department. The investigators were speaking to the woman about the disappearance of Zahra, according to a search warrant from Oct. 19. In the warrant, it says Foster had spoken with Elisa several times about the purchase of a bed, although she was uncertain of the exact day Elisa bought it.
Investigators requested the records for several people who could be involved in the case, including the person Elisa was having an affair with and one of Elisa's former husbands, Aaron Young.

The search warrants also said Elisa and Aaron were not divorced before she and Adam were married. According to a Nov. 29 search warrant, Elisa told Adam that Aaron was her brother.

Investigators asked for access to cell phone numbers for several people, including Aaron Young. However, no one has been arrested yet in connection with the case.

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/jan/04/23/judge-unseals-all-warrants-baker-case-ar-666013/

It says above that Elisa was having an affair w/ someone besides AY???
Wow. busy gal.
I thought the previous info indicated she was still seeing AY.  I wonder who the unnamed boyfriend is?
Tol

Sammy Young.

I believe it was YA's cousin Sammie. One of the men accused of raping Zahra.

Thanks, FM and 4Donks,
I was reading back and just found that info.
I better get better at keeping up!
and, oh, by the way, ICK.

I don't know if KB is still here. Everything has gone to silent for any of these peeps.
Even cussing like a sailor AY. Which is unusual. I think that they have had visitors with uniforms on asking questions and are now a bit afraid / worried.

Hey All- just catching up in the new thread. I am unable to read the warrants on my phone. Has anything indicated the chainsaw was located?

I'll reserve my opinions for later. In the begining of this case we were all shocked thinking the wood chipper was used. How much more disturbing they allegedly let this little girl die from medical neglect, then used a chainsaw on her. What is questionable to me is- IF AB and EB were involved in this virtual chainsaw massacre murder, IF Zahra was deceased, then it's not murder. Evidence at the crime scene (specifically blood splatter, cast off) should indicate IF Zahra was alive/near death from other causes which would confirm they murdered her despite how close to death they argue.

I wonder what the deal is with AY's phone being substantial? Was AB using his phone, hanging out with him? Wasn't EB the one who named AY's brother and cousin as alleged child rapers and murderers? What's AY's involvement either known or unknown to him?

The reason they didn't get Zahra medical treatment- IF that's the case, is because they knew there were warrants out on them and they didn't want a paper trail- nothing more, why else wouldn't they have allowed Zahra to go to school?

Nothing on the warrants about chainsaw. There is at least one new warrant and one warrant still sealed though.

Yes.  The blood pools soon after the heart stops so they could surmise from blood spatter if the person was still alive or not.

It was a former GF of either the Young brother or Cousin that came forward to LE on their own according to the warrant , not EB.

Thanks Northern for the responses. Interesting it was an ex girlfriend.

I'm not buying that Zahra died of natural causes.
I will never buy into that.

She was murdered by these 2 beasts and I hope the same thing happens to them.
It can't be soon enough for me.

Seriously, kids don't just die from "natural causes". Old people do.

Exactly.
And why wouldn't it occur to them that others would question her whereabouts?
Makes zero sense.
She's lying and they should torture her to get the truth.

Of course they did curly, even if it was via neglect of medical care.

Hi Fanny!!!!   It's great to see you!   ::MonkeyKiss::

 

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyJnBox::

OMG, NR! I just love a smartazz when they're good at it, and YOU are GOOD!!!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Me either, Curly. Adam can "act" his arse off now, but neither he nor the gothwitch had the first impulse toward love or parenting toward Zahra. They both tormented her and allowed her to be tormented.

Zahra is free from the pain and free from THEM! They will not be so lucky as to escape the history they lived and inflicted. TICK TOCK, azzholes........... your number is up just around the corner!  ::MonkeyMad::

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Zahra had cancer and she had a recurrence in her lung. I think she was in remission maybe when she first came to US. I'm really not sure that is true. There has been no mention of doctors here, and I noticed the LE didn't issue search warrants for her records. There is probably not any.

I bet you are right. Bet she never visited a doctor here in the states.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I agree they never took her to a doctor.
They were too concerned about their own drugging and IMVU'g to think about caring for Zahra.

Personally, I believe Zahra died at the hands of her father or stepmother. And then I got curious about just what "natural causes" means.
I  looked up children dying from "natural causes", and this is what I found: 
(Bolded by me)

http://www.childdeathreview.org/causesNOO.htm

Natural Deaths Over One Year of Age
Death from natural causes is the second leading cause of mortality to children over one year of age, following unintentional injuries. In 1999, 9,848 children over the age of one died in the United States from natural causes. A death due to a natural cause can result from one of many serious health conditions. Congenital anomalies, genetic disorders (such as cystic fibrosis), cancers, heart and cerebral problems, serious infections and respiratory disorders such as asthma can be fatal to children. Many of these conditions are not believed to be preventable in the same way in which accidents, homicides or suicides are preventable. But there are some illnesses, such as asthma, infectious diseases and some screenable genetic disorders, in which under certain circumstances, fatalities can and should be prevented. For example, deaths due to asthma are usually preventable. Asthma is a chronic respiratory disease that involves episodes of the airways constricting from inflammation. Triggers for an asthmatic event include allergens, infections, exercise, changes in weather or exposure to airway irritants including tobacco smoke or pollution. Asthma affects approximately five million children a year in the U.S. The asthma death rate for children 19 years and younger increased by 78% between 1980 and 1993, many believe due to environmental conditions. Despite these statistics, treatments for asthma are numerous and generally very effective.

Major Risk Factors

    * Children with congenital anomalies and other genetic disorders.
    * Children who do not receive preventive medical care.
    * Children who live in poverty.
    * Children with chronic health conditions.
    * Exposure to environmental hazards, especially of vulnerable children.
    * Non-compliance with prescribed treatment regimens.
    * Parental or caregiver failures to seek adequate medical attention.
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My sick sense of humor getting ready to come out so feel free to scroll and roll...Poetic justice: You leave your native country for the love of Gothmonster and drag your cancer free child with you prolly to exploit.  Doesn't work out. He loves Gothmonster so much he lets her abuse her in many ways, maybe murders her and dismembers his only child and tosses parts of into trash.  And guess what?  The Biatch is cheating on him!!!! HHHHaaaaaaaaaHaaaahaaa!  Wonder does he hurt cause of what he did to his child and misses her or he was done wrong by EvilE?

 

So sad to think of, for Zahra's sake.  As she grew, her leg must have needed to have been refit.  Just that alone not having been done must have been very painful for her.  And then... the rest of what happened.  So horrifying.   ::MonkeyTears::

I just don't think there's any legal punishment suitable for the Gothmonster and Daddy Dearest.   ::MonkeyMad::

 

Fanny
I love your lil smilies!  Am stealing as many of them as I can.   ::MonkeyTongue::


Muffy
Thanks for posting that.  Interesting!  Am sure hoping that Gothmonster will get additional charges, at the very least neglect in medical attention, and anything else they can pin on her for the moment... and that Daddy Dearest will get hauled in on the same charges until LE gets all their ducks in a row for the heavy duty major charges to put them both away forever. 


melisb
Poetic justice indeed!!  Karma's a biatch.   ::MonkeyJnBox::

I don't know which is the worse, if I had to decide ???

Is Zahra's painful death and abuse of her corpse
the worst, or is it
Jonathon Foster being torched ?

I will never understand the thinking of these people. NEVER ! ::MonkeyMad::

Actually visitors in the US is three months I believe.  I made this mistake with my exhusband who was English and he got in trouble for it.  Three months for them to come here, six months for most places if we go there.

There is a good bit of karma in there, isn't there?  I hope he can't live with himself.  I really do.  I hope he doesn't have to long, after a death penalty.

OK just checked it.  A visa waiver is applicable for 90 days for people visiting the US from (certain) other countries.  When WE go to other countries (certain ones, like UK for example) we can stay 6 months.  Confusing.

LEP, we will never understand and that is good.  We look at and analyze other's behavior for the good and the bad, so we can live better lives ourselves.  That we can't wrap our brains around this conduct is good . . . although it does raise our awareness to be on the lookout to help others.

Totally agree.

I personally believe we will find somewhere out there is a video or pics of the death and dismemberment. I think Gothmonster was planning on or did cash in on this whole thing. If someone is sick enough to play chainsaw games in IMVU they would really get excited to see it in real time. ::MonkeyMad::

Thank you Sister. You put it in words better than I ever could.

ITA 

Bakers held 'chainsaw massacre' on web days before Zahra disappeared, warrant says  (with video)

CHARLOTTE, NC (WBTV) – Recently-unsealed search warrants in the Zahra Baker case continually mention the website IMVU.com.

(Click to read warrants 1-10, 11-20 and 21-28.)

 It's a site advertising itself as a place to "…hang out, chat and meet new people in 3-D."  You can log on for free.  Create an account in about 60 seconds.  Court documents say Zahra's parents – her stepmother Elisa Baker and her father Adam Baker – both had IMVU accounts. (Related story: Who IS Elisa Baker?)

Those documents also say, disturbingly enough, say the Baker's had a virtual family who created a "chainsaw massacre" on the computer September 22nd.  Zahra was last seen alive on September 24th.

The Bakers were also married on the website in a fantasy ceremony.

Thursday night, Anchor Molly Grantham logged on to IMVU.com to see what the fantasy world was all about.


http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13799829

I don't play games on the computer nor any kind of games. I know that these fantasy world websites are very popular, the chainsaw massacre virtual family, if anybody knows were they playing that from the movie Chainsaw Massacre, or did they make up their own virtual massacre?

NoRose, I have no clue.  The only game I play is bookworm . . . making words out of letters.  Virtual stuff scares me . . . I never know where I might end up.

I imagine the Chainsaw Massacre came was in the IMVU.com site and you would have to be a member before you could play.  Probably one of many different games offered.

Wasn't Sept. 24th the day that the woman at the furniture place saw Zahra? If it was, how could she have died that night from natural causes?

Thank-you, so many people play all types of those virtual games, and I really don't think much about it. I suppose with everything, movies, TV shows, music, books if you are off balanced to begin with it probably wouldn't take that much to cross over into the non reality.

I am pretty sure the furniture store siting was on Sept 25. I questioned that the night the warrants came out. I guess one or the other is not true.

Steal away WYKES. That's how I got them.   (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/putersmile1.gif)

Every day I come here I hope Adam has finally been hauled off to jail and to finally face justice for the things he did Zahra.  (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/judgesmiley.gif)

I play video games, World of Warcraft actually (probably should be game, not games).  I can say, sadly, that there are a lot of people on the games who you can tell are there because they are unable or unwilling to have normal social relationships.  For examples, people say inappropriate things (sometimes innocently), are overcompensating for in-real-life issues, don't know how to relate to people, have mean streaks (very very very often - and I mean want to hurt people personally and get off to that).

To be fair, there are also other people, who like me, prefer to pay 15 dollars for a month's worth of entertainment that doesn't involve driving out where traffic is dangerous (Houston is bad), or risking late night driving particularly when there are a lot of drunks (again, Houston is bad), or have family and want to stick close to home, just like a little escape but know the difference between the game world and real world, etc.  I just like that I can jump and run a heck of a lot more gracefully than I ever can in real life!  LOL  The art is pretty, I get pets, etc, and I try to make a point to be kind to people.    Others use it to use other people, and because they can be someone they like a lot more in the game than they like themselves in real life.  I have seen people like this get really immersed in the game, to the point where they don't really seem to be able to remember that..... it's a game.  Yes, a game filled with real people behind the screens, and the golden rule applies - but still a game.  When the computer shuts off, you're still stuck with yourself, and your conscience.

Unfortunately when talk happens about some of the more seedy aspects of the game, I can too easily see how that happens because I've seen it in game time.  I just try to associate with people more like me who are homebodies or family people.

Also unfortunately, I think some people get a sick kick out of some aspects of role-playing, and I don't think they WANT to differentiate between a game and real life; that might be what happened here.  Or maybe they didn't like it, but dang - they still did it, and how horrible is that????

Star, thanks for your input on the gaming.  It's just something I'm not comfortable with.  In every phase of life, there are some very sick people . . . gaming would be no different.  You make a good point about what folks are when the computer is turned off.  I remember back when soap operas were so popular, people would talk about the characters like the were real life events, etc.  Living varcariously through anything else is always frightening.  Again, thanks for your input.

I never felt 100% certain of the sighting. I just kept remembering how many times Caylee was spotted all over the country and wondered if someone had made an honest error.

Unfortunately, that's very possible, bdfmom.  Seems with this level of depravity, all that tends to go together. 

Just when I think the sickos in the world couldn't possibly get any worse, along comes another case (like this and Jonathan's case) that proves that thinking wrong.  Sadly enough.   ::MonkeyTears:: 

I totally agree that if they played a fantasy "Tx Chainsaw Massacre," that one of us,
or any person out there will possibly stumble upon some heinous video.

People make and sell heinous videos of their captured,sex victims, and these r called, snuff films. They go for big bucks. I was not even aware of such twisted behavior until  it was discussed after poor Nat Holloway disappeared. ::MonkeyMad::Her disappearance  also made me aware of sex trafficking. These murdered young people teach us a vast amount of good and bad in our sad, morally decaying society.

You are so right LEP!!!  I am so scared for my only Son to have to live in this world alone.  What is it coming to?  Don't answer cause I already know...the Good Book has told us such.  I am a believer and I am not scared for my ending but for the time we will be here on earth before we reach that wonder place.

SSSSSSSSSIIIIIIISSSSSSSSSTTTTTTTTEEEEEEERRRRRRR(Sister) we need words of encouragement right now.  Please say a prayer for all of us.

Okay, I bit the bullet and downloaded IMVU.  I know nothing about computers and I have a 3yo Dell and I registered but haven't connected yet.  I have to go to work.  My system can only play PC games and Norton said IMVU was safe if anyone was worried.  I don't know how to navigate any of this stuff so I will have to wait till tonight and have my young one show me.  Don't worry, anything hinky shows up I will quickly ESC and erase! lol
He's a good kid and doesn't like to do wrong.  He's amazing and would make any Mom proud!  I'm only going to get him to show me how to navigate, not play! I do check behind him on the puter to see where he has been and not ONE time has he EVER been somewhere I would consider not child safe.  Dad and I are so, so proud!  Are there any Monkeys willing to go there to meet up with me.  I'm afraid if one doesn't go with me that I won't get very far!  Prolly not a bad thing!

I agree..

starwynn, thank-you and I certainly see nothing wrong with playing games on the computer. Matter of fact my son in law worked for a company, and they would answer and help people playing some of these games. Don't ask what games  LOL  when he would explain it, went over my head. I personally don't play them, because I'm terrible at games even board games.

I would do it if you want, if you mean meeting you on IMVU.  I have to say that I'd like to see what the atmosphere is, although I suspect I already know.  But I am wondering if (like WoW) it's sometimes portrayed as all bad, all people hooking up and killing their stepchildren (remember that case in Houston), or if like my experience there are actually a good number of just nice grown ups on there that play and aren't interested in (bad) monkey business.

Not that monkeys are bad.  (grin)

I'll go download it and then we'll figure out how to find one another. 

OH yeah, there are good and bad apples in every apple barrel.  Unfortunately, online fantasy game barrels play to the imagination, and that's where I think things go wrong with the type of people who would let things go wrong.  Or young people if they're not pretty mature.  Or apparently old horrible gothmonsters who can't stop hooking up with people.  I bet she loved it - no one could see her, she could lie her head off, and really no one wanted to hear that she was a nasty ol' gothmonster so lying was ok because the other people were probably doing it too.  :(

About IMVU, I found this website.  It's interesting that it says that there are some violent images in portions.  I guess it's no surprise.  It's definitely NOT being recommended that parents allow their kids to go there by most educator reviews for websites.  Then again, Elisa and her motley crew were (technically) adults.  So...

http://www.commonsensemedia.org/website-reviews/imvu

I have to say I'm curious about a virtual chainsaw massacre game.  You have to wonder with that and other games who comes up with those ideas. And like anything, if you are a balanced person and realize you are just playing a game great, it is the ones that take it too another level that is frightening. I would imagine for the most part people playing these games wouldn't dream of actually committing a crime.

Ugh, I have to say so far that all the avatars available uncustomized to start are very very....skanky, to put it mildly.  I chose one because I like her hair, but she has to get new clothes pronto or I might die of a draft.  I am getting a stronger feeling from that, and the introduction page, why alot of people go to this game. :(

When there's a "Kill the Baker's game", count me in.

LOL  Curly, you always come up with the good zingers!!  :)

OK, Starwynne is now online and ready to add friends.  She also had her highly exposed skin covered up, so maybe there's hope for the thing yet.

You know, at first I was balky at the idea that anyone could get a kick out of the aftermath.  I don't think Adam did.  But now I'm not so sure about Elisa or possibly Aaron, if he was too warped to get away from the woman while he could.  I suppose someone who wanted out of a miserable life badly enough, as Elisa admittedly did, could get really wrapped up in this and lose what little of herself was left.  A chainsaw game.  I think I would only go there (or to this site for that matter even after first glimpse) for the Monkeys, to say what it's like because I'm pretty sure we've all wondered what the heck that was about.  But not on my o wn.  I think dabbling with bad thoughts and ways of thinking make it easier to open the door for those thoughts and habits to stick.

 ::MonkeyDevil::

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ITA..I thought that she was seen in the furniture store on or near that date.

Also the whole we couldn't take her to a doctor or for medical help because they were in the country illegally doesn't fly with me either.  Why...because she was in school until the end of the school year this past year, she got hearing aids and that was a big published deal..all of this long after their 6 month tourist visas would have expired.

I think that she was being physically and sexually abused by these monsters..and she died from that..which offerred them their chainsaw massacre play.

What sick peices of crap..they belong to the devil now..they need the needle as of yesterday..wait ..is ole Sparky still available?

(http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/teehee-1.gif) CURLY you are too funny!

http://www.imvu.com/shop/product.php?products_id=833465

"Female Chainsaw Hand" is an IMVU product you can purchase for 939 credits.

The chainsaw hand is called "The Dismemberator."

"Are those darn Zombie hordes gett'n you down? Well put those undead sod's back in their place with the Chainsaw Hand. This handy device will replace your soft, squishy, flesh and blood hand with a carbon steel and plastic undead killing machine, ready to rend necrofied flesh at a moment's notice."

"Small Pink Bedroom" on the IMVU Products site.

http://www.imvu.com/shop/product.php?products_id=2494516

Looks like Zahra's room.


Also:


"Black Fireplace" (One of many)
http://www.imvu.com/shop/product.php?products_id=5573632


"Live Love Laugh Club" ("Try before you buy, no refunds.")
http://www.imvu.com/shop/product.php?products_id=7372529


"Waterbed" 
http://www.imvu.com/shop/product.php?products_id=3261818

Now this is just TOO FREAKY after seeing the pics from inside their house...Good Lord I am stunned

Me too.


I searched "IMVU" and "Dismember" and found that the IMVU Role Players are none to happy with the ill will which this case has apparently generated towards them and their site.

(Discussion thread at IMVU:)

http://www.imvu.com/catalog/modules.php?op=modload&name=phpbb2&file=viewtopic.php&t=359648&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

And a message to the IMVU community from their CEO:

http://www.imvu.com/catalog/modules.php?op=modload&name=phpbb2&file=viewtopic.php&p=8782836#8782836

Text of message is as follows.

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(Posted by) varsha
IMVU Staff Member IMVU Moderator


Joined: 01 Feb 2010
Posts: 928
Location: USA - CA
   
PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 5:23 pm    Post subject:    Reply with quote
Here is an official statement from CaryJay - IMVU's CEO related to this topic:

"We are deeply saddened by this tragedy and our hearts go out to Zahra Baker’s loved ones.

Online safety within IMVU is a top priority, with an officer of the company overseeing and managing safety concerns. When IMVU was first contacted by the police authorities regarding this case, we gave them our immediate and complete cooperation. In response to a subpoena, IMVU shared all the relevant information available. We continue to standby, available to assist authorities in this investigation.

Out of respect for the ongoing police investigation, we cannot comment further on this case."

- Cary Rosenzweig, CEO of IMVU, Inc.
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(Apologies if this has already been posted in Zahra's thread.)

And also, found one IMVU member's avatar page containing "dismemberment" material.

http://avatars.imvu.com/g3nn3vi3

If you search the page itself  for the word "Dismember," there are several instances, all from a text with chapters (from a book?) about how to kill the undead.

No idea who this member is, but the subject matter is chilling anyway.

-------------------------------------------------------

THE VAMPIRE
HIS KITH AND KIN
by Montague Summers
London, K. Paul Trench, Trubner [1928]

[..]

The only way to prevent the increase of these dangerous spirit folk is by depriving the body of its limbs, a precaution which must be taken immediately after death. So it is customary to sever the arms and legs from the trunk and to cut the tongue out of the mouth, in order that the spirit may have no power either of movement or of speech, since the mutilation of the corpse has rendered a ghost, who would

{p. 12}

assuredly be both powerful and truculent, inoperative and incapable.[11] It will later be seen that the mutilation, the cutting off of the head, and especially the driving of a stake through the body with other dismemberments, were resorted to as the most effective means, short of complete cremation, of dealing with a vampire[...]

Images from the site that Desi posted:

"Small Pink Bedroom"
(http://userimages01-akm.imvu.com/productdata/images_276bc37c811fd1d225d4d72fc8010250.gif)

"Black Fireplace"
(http://userimages01-akm.imvu.com/productdata/images_6363eda3392a030e762bedcf8753a72a.gif)

"Waterbed"
(http://userimages04-akm.imvu.com/productdata/images_abc856a2df6be4e7766c2a6f0ce384cf.jpg)

I agree, many similarities, Desi.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Yeah, I went there and looked around.  The whole place was just creepy.  My boyfriend watched as I set up Starwynne (who did have remarkably cute hair), and then just creepy people talk to you.  In creepy rooms.  It's unreal.  The first guy I talked to kissed me and then slugged me.  I thought "wow!"

It's just real enough to get lost in it, and I think that's the problem.  I'm going right now to delete my account.

BF's opinion of the site was, first, "no way am I going on that ", and he said that he felt it encourages predators.  He said it seems like a place for doing things you wouldn't dare do in real life.  When I asked him "healthy things?" he looked at me like I was crazy, and said "No! Unhealthy!"  I have to agree.  He thinks it would be easy for behavior in extremes to be encouraged there, and I do, too. 

The account will be deleted.  IMhumble and non professional opinion, I could see a link for the site, what they did, and what they did the next 2 days.  :(   Being a "gamer", I never ever ever would have thought that before.  Of course, it's not the game - it's the people.  But I think this game sure doesn't encourage healthy relationships or ways of thinking.

I joined IMVU shortly after Zahra's death because I was curious. I haven't chatted in years and don't even have any IM program on my computer.

That is one creepy entity, IMVU. I've been there for months and have still not chatted. I've gone into a chat room maybe 3 times but always bail out shortly after going in. I've received like 900 friend's requests but never accept them and someone is always sending me a private chat request but I don't respond.

What I have gotten caught up is designing rooms and I've spent several hundred dollars buying credits so I can buy furniture. I love designing anything and it's really cool the way you can shop and decorate your room.

I buy a basic room and stuff it with furniture (antiques). Nobody has ever been in one of my rooms, I just make them and go on to the next one. The whole room scenario reminds me of Colorforms from childhood.

During my shopping sprees I have seen some really freaky stuff for sale, as well as rooms. Bondage, vampires, beastiality, etc.

I'm Soularstar on IMVU, btw. Soul with a u. I've never played any sort of computer games or online ones, or poker but I suppose the designing thing is a game of sorts, for me.

From what I have seen, just by sitting alone and shopping, there is no way I would ever have a relationship (of any kind) with anyone that participates in that site. And I can't even fathom becoming romantically involved.

The few times I've been in a chat room I don't stay but a second. And all the rooms are freaky crap. I've actually searched for a room with a decent theme and there isn't any. I finally stopped looking a few days after joining.

I've had friend that were gamers and they were intelligent, respectable people and I have nothing against games. IMVU is a scary thing though. It seems to me like the cesspool of the net.

Wow, that's stunning when it's compared to what happened in real life. Thank you for the research. I hope you do not mind that I copied this and shared it at another site.
It's the big question....why would ANYONE think of dismembering a loved one (or even a stranger)...what you posted mirrors what Zahra's body ended up like so it's not a stretch to see how those brutes would have even thought about this.

Ugh, I downloaded it just to see what the hype was about and found that I couldn't open it while my kids were in the room. I figured if the kids couldn't walk past and see it, I didn't need to see it either. So, I uninstalled it immediately.

Was Zahra's tongue cut from her head? I don't think we have heard anything about it, but it wouldn't surprise me. If it was, I think it would speak to motive. If Zahra died from natural causes, and they weren't trying to remove parts from an evil person. I think it would show they though Zahra was an impediment to their lives. She was not a beloved love one.   ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::

I remember there was some scuttlebutt after the immediate discovery of the big grave that possibly her head was removed from the rest of the body.  Remember they were making a bit to-do about the big hole and the smaller hole?  Was there ever any verification on what of Zahra was found in that hole?  Probably nothing said yet, right?

I think now by Elisa's accounts we have verification of the limb removal, or am I remembering that incorrectly? 

I don't remember anything official but I think we speculated it was Zahra's head in the smaller hole.  ::MonkeyWaa::

I think the information about the scattering of remains and finding her prosthesis, I think the locations were gotten from Elisa.

I remember we were speculating about what might have been in the smaller hole, but I don't recall ever seeing anything official as to what was found in it, if anything.  So darned sad even having to consider, isn't it?   ::MonkeyNoNo::

There's been no official confirmation of that.
Reading about the tongue, I wondered the same thing.
That IMVU sounds like a horrible site.
I'm pretty brave as far as exploring the web goes, but that's just way too creepy, and I have enough trouble sleeping as it is.

It's one of the saddest things ever. Bad enough her father allowed her to go without medical checks, school and to be a virtual prisoner in her own "home" but to be dumped and mutilated like that........both of them should be hung or....fill in the blank

 Fannymae~ I believe Curly is right. NOT confirmed about the tongue or head, in fact I can't remember if exactly which parts were found were revealed or even if all of her was found. That's an awful sentence to write.

I was really amazed LE was able to find as much as they did, owing to the lapse of about four weeks before they were able to look. Several things were put into dumpsters, and surely they were dumped at least a few times during that time period. I doubt if they found all of her either.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Odd isn't it that she was able to be found by Elisa? No doubt she is a crazy mean b*tch but it just chaps me when there are those that want to paint Adam as some befuddled dimwit that knew nothing, borrowing Ron Cummings "i was at work" excuse. The child was neglected, beaten and isolated and he stands mum. I hold him more responsible than her. I hope to God LE finds enough evidence to throw him in one of our fine prisons where he belongs.

I hope he is paranoid as he*l, and can't leave his apartment because of fear for himself.  ::MonkeyMad::

Well, since he has his apron string firmly attached to his momsy now he probably feels empowered. When she was rubbing his arm during that one interview it creeped me out. Her and Sindy...caressing, rubbing, hugging...shesh   

Well folks, I downloaded imvu, cant remember my password, it won't email me correctly to fix it and I guess I had just better uninstall also.  Think someone is trying to tell me something other than I'ma real idget when it comes to the computer!

I knew where they found her was close to my house, but I was out on my motorcycle the other day, and the route I ride...I rode right by there, not realizing THAT was the spot. It chilled me to see that little memorial there...only about 5 miles from my house. It was a whole new level of horror to see that. The piles of dirt where they dug the holes. For some reason the whole close proximity of it, brought a whole new level of sadness.

Statru~ was wondering..where she was found near your house, can a person park off the road, on the edge or like way off the road to get to that spot? is that the spot where she was "buried" or one of the other spots?  I'm trying  to figure out did they dig this at night or during the day. Could they be seen from road, that kind of thing?  Thanks if you can answer.

I'm not Statru, but I noticed that the owner put up piles of dirt in what looked like the ending of a sort of drive going into that area.  The road ends, and to me it looked like maybe you could have tucked a car back in there - or just backed one up to the woods a bit if you h ad something in the trunk. :(

Horrible, huh?  I'm glad at least you can remember her (and her smile) as you pass by the place so she won't be forgotten.

Thanks a lot.  The whole thing is like a horror movie.  She won't be forgotten by anyone of us and especially ya'll who live so close. I hope the garden at the school is beautiful in the spring.

 its right there at  a very wooded area. If they were there at night, probably no one would have noticed. Esp a dark color vehicle.


wynn...where are you?

This was from a post from HM.  So, he did have a search warrant served to get his info from IMVU.
"Aaron
Obviously you alll are not as smart as yall think you are! I guess 98% of the people that posted on this discussion topic is Extremely Highly Educated since you all THINK you know what your talking about. Funny thing is theres not 1 person on this topic that knows me personally or anyone else thats close to this investigation. I have faith in our law enforcement and they ARE gonna get the right person or persons that was involved in this. Its hilarious though because those search warrants was to get all my information off of my IMVU acct (which I havent been on in a long long time). There was a person called the police and told them the IMVU story which is why they got the search warrants so that they could check in to it. I quit posting because people were getting so stupid and asking the same questions over and over and over again.

As for Cathy Deal Peters, well, I dont owe you or anyone else an explanation of anything. I gave the police (on my own, they hadnt even asked for it) my cell phone to get any information they needed off of it. And I think its funny cause Elisa didnt even have my phone number. And Cathy please send me the copy of my post that you claim I said i hadnt seen ZAHRA since february. There again people DONT KNOW what they talking about because I never said that. Zahra was with my (ex) step daughter when we all went swimming in august. I been in Elisas biological kids lives for a very long time and I still (and always will) be there step dad. It dont matter wether or not you all think I shouldnt be in there lives or not I will be there for them till the end of time. Theyve always stood by my side and Ill always be by there side, After all it was there mother that took off to australia and left them here alone! So if it makes you feel better to keep posting stupid BS then keep posting, it doesnt bother me any more."
......
I haven't gone to the FB sites recently as I have been ill , just with a nasty sinus cold infection thing, makes me tired and dumb.

KB was still posting on FB, but a person could do that from anywhere. She is still talking about how Adam got the passport for Zahra and of course he did no wrong there either.

Can you tell if mom is still in the States or has she gone back to Australia?

Hope you feel better Kat.  He was on a roll

HIM
I never said Zahra was my step daughter, Amber and Brittany are my step daughters. And the search warrants was to get info from the imvu accounts to SEE if i was on there, I dont know where adam is and i dont care its none of my business where he is.

HIM
I dont really care what yall believe and I dont have any explaining to do to anybody. Its funny everyone believes what the media says and the media cant even get it right. we were married in 98 not 99 and i found out in all this that she wasnt divorced from her previous husband when we were married. Have fun playing sherlock holmes but yall arent very good at it but we will all pretend you are. Peoples gonna feel really stupid when this case is finally over.

HIM
OMG If you will look at my post i said I FOUND OUT DURING ALL THIS! No Im not calling LE liars. They didnt release thier FINDINGS, They released the search warrants, you know the pieces of paper that says they can get information. Then they look at evidence recieved FROM the search Warrants. I mean peoples goin feel stupid when its OVER. I WILL tell you however that I feel stupid and I feel guilty for not killing the bitch(ELISA) before her and whoever else did this to zahra.


http://tinyurl.com/2bsc8zg

Wow, interesting.  Always will be their step dad, huh?

Kat Gram, sorry to hear about your sinus infection/cold.  Have you ever tried doing the sinus flush thing?  I had a  whacking sinus infection for about a month, really horrible and smelled like death.  I couldn't do anything to get rid of it.  Then I did the sinus flush thing -wow, it was gone within a week!  I have an aunt that swears by it, but had just never done it.  It realyl helps.  I hope you feel better soon!

Wow, wow, and wow.  First, the "I feel guilty for not killing..."   Well that's nice.  People implicate him in a murder, and he shows that he has the will to kill.  Lovely.  Oh and the irony of this statement  "Peoples gonna feel really stupid when this case is finally over."   A doozey.

OK, not the greatest news source.  Old article.  But I had seen something mentioned about tasers before; possibly on the search warrants, things they had collected?  I can't recall offhand.  Here's the article:  http://www2.journalnow.com/news/2010/nov/01/stepmother-abused-her-neighbors-say-ar-499832/

And here's the quote that concerns me:
"The couple went home and gave Elisa Baker the money she was owed, but she demanded more, they said. She and Adam Baker threatened the couple with Tasers, according to the arrest warrant."

Thoughts?

Warrants: Zahra Baker's Parents Created "Chainsaw Massacre" With Online Family

HICKORY, N.C. --
Recently unsealed court documents show Zahra Baker's father, Adam and stepmother, Elisa, had a virtual family on a website called imvu.com. It's a site where you create a 3D version of yourself and chat with people.

Records show the Bakers were married in the game and then 2 days before Zahra disappeared killed their family in a sort of "chainsaw massacre."

So far, no one has been charged in Zahra's death. Elisa Baker is in jail on charges of obstructing the investigation.

http://www2.wspa.com/news/2011/jan/08/warrants-zahras-baker-created-chainsaw-massacre-on-ar-1318434/

Not normally a problem in this thread but we are just posting this reminder:

REMINDER:  WE REQUIRE WHEN POSTING A QUOTE OF AN ARTICLE OR EVEN ANOTHER POSTER THAT YOU EITHER SUPPLY THE LINK OR QUOTE THE POST.  PLEASE DON'T JUST SAY "ACCORDING TO", OR "I READ".  WE ALWAYS WANT A LINK BACK TO THE SOURCE.  WE HAVE NOTICED RECENTLY PEOPLE HAVE BEEN NEGLECTING TO DO SO.  THANKS!

o/t Starwyn..what is the sinus flush thing?
can you answer me on Musings or on the JSM thread..thanks....

My thought is it confirms that Adam is a player in the counter culture lifestyle willingly.
Elisa and Adam were equipped with more than one taser and used violent threats to get money.
Zahra wasn't mentioned, so where was she?
They're both POSs

Somone sent me his FB postings, they grabbed it from HM. Sorry. I am not thinking clearly.
...
DD was talking to me about the netti pot sinus flush, might do it. 

let me know the info on that sinus flush..hubs is having problems again!

Wow, I was reading the thing about the chainsaw massacre completely differently before. I didn't realize that, virtually, they murdered their FAMILY with chainsaws in the IMVU game.  WTHeck????  I had been reading it as if, as a family, they participated in an online massacre.  For example, I thought maybe it was The Bakers versus a bunch of zombies, or against another team perhaps. 

OK, I went back because I really wanted to be able to say where I had seen previous mention of tasers and in what context.  What I found were the references to accusations where Adam AND Elisa were both accused of threatening others with bodily harm and with Tasers.  In one accusation, a child's life is threatened.  These are "claims".  I don't know if these cases are currently open (the claims were from May 13), or if they were dismissed, or what happened with them.  I'm still looking stuff up.

Source: http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/nov/12/adam-and-elisa-baker-no-shows-court-appearance-ar-549155/
Excerpt:  "The couple went home and gave Elisa Baker the money she was owed, but she demanded more. She and Adam threatened the couple with Tasers, according to the arrest warrant."

Source: http://www.altoonamirror.com/page/content.detail/id/120331/Police-treating-missing-NC-girl-case-as-homicide-.html?isap=1&nav=759
Excerpt: "Caldwell County Court records show that Bentley filed a complaint May 13 against Elisa Baker, claiming she threatened to kill her and her 7-month-old daughter in a dispute over money. She said Elisa Baker threatened them with a taser and a gun, and Bentley feared for their lives."

Nevermind, I see that these are some of the cases for which they will be tried - if they ever finally get to the trial!

My jaw just stays on the floor in this case. My God, Elesa and Adam are monsters!!

There were tasers listed as having been collected by police on some of the first search warrants that were released

I am with you CBB, I kept picking my jaw up and then decided to leave it...less bruises that way. I pray that God will bring these horrid people to earthly justice very soon!

I would like to see them both on the bad  side of a chainsaw.   (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/mikem.gif)

Hi all monkeys !
I thought I would check in for new info, but 0 !

I decided that coming here 1st in my day or last is the wrong thing to do.

This is all too unsettling, and more so that that as I type Adam Baker walks freely and shares our oxygen ! yikkkes ! ::MonkeyMad::

Hi LEP  :smt006  I'm holding on to hope Zahra will have justice.
 

I tried to open the door several times to no avail.
I cried most of ther night because I was alone ! LOL ::MonkeyDance::

Awe, LEP, you're not alone.  :smt056

Btw, O/T where do you get those emoticons you use?  ::MonkeyTongue::

OT: My emoticons ? Which ones ?

http://www.facebook.com/#!/notes/the-zahra-project/zahras-bill-as-of-january-6-2011/118338711571842 (http://www.facebook.com/#!/notes/the-zahra-project/zahras-bill-as-of-january-6-2011/118338711571842)

Zahra's Bill

Section 1: To increase the maximum sentencing for Felony Child Abuse to a term of Life in prison.

 

Section 2: To increase the maximum sentencing for Misdemeanor Child Abuse to a term of 20 years in prison.

 

Section 3: Upon second or subsequent count of Felony Child Abuse offender will receive a minimum of 20 years to a maximum of Life in prison.

 

Section 4: To take action against those who do not follow the duty to report abuse law (statute 7B-301) already in effect, resulting in misdemeanor charges punishable by fines of up to $1000, community service up to 100 hours and/or imprisonment for up to one year.

 

Section 5: In the event that a minor is abused and/or murdered in the presence of his or her biological, foster, step and/or adopted parent, or legal guardian, and the parent or legal guardian is capable yet does not act in the interest of protecting the child from harm, said parent or legal guardian will automatically be charged with the same charges as the perpetrator.

 

Section 6: To require biological, foster, step and/or adopted parents and/or legal guardians who have been reported to the Department of Social Services two or more times for abuse or neglect within the previous 12 months to notify the Department of Social Services if they move within ten days of the move.

 

Section 7: To require social workers who are investigating a report of child abuse or neglect to interview at least three (3) individuals, only one of which may be provided by the parent or caretaker, in order to provide the worker with accurate, legitimate, and verifiable information about the caretaker(s) and/or perpetrator(s) in each individual case.

 

Section 8: To require social workers to give no more than 24 hours notice of inspection including return visits.

 

Section 9: To require the Department of Social Services to alert law enforcement within 24 hours of receipt of any report of assault on a child under the age of 18. The Department of Social Services will also provide copies of reports of reported child abuse to law enforcement within 48 hours of receiving the reports, making a police report available on every report received.

 

Section 10: To require public schools to provide staff and children with state supported, approved curriculum and resources that are implemented at the elementary level regarding identifying, reporting, and preventing child abuse and neglect.

 

Section 11: To expand the current acceptable maximum age for abandonment of an infant (statute 14-322.3) from 7 days to 18 months.

 

Section 12: The bill will be enacted in the State of North Carolina.

 

Section 13: The bill will be enacted July 18, 2011.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Does the lady writing this have a sponsor yet to get this passed?  Last I read in Dec was that her brother has a friend, who is a friend of a Senator, but said Senator had not officially done anything or even officially backed this bill to get it passed.

SASSIFRASS, Are you talking about the little Smilies I use?

Sorry, been off line and I didn't want to use O/T space for this thread. Yeah I guess it was you FM. I see some people using emoticons that aren't on the SM list. Like the little chain saw, etc.

I think they are a great depiction of what we feel about EB, Ma Baker, and of course AB.

Gosh, I wish something would happen to give Zahra justice.

This is the response I got when I asked that question:

Kristie Austin Pope This is our final presentation of it. I'm sure it will be rehashed. We have a house rep willing to sponsor it IF HE LIKES IT. So we shall see how it goes. Fingers crossed.
8 hours ago

http://www.facebook.com/#!/thezahraproject (http://www.facebook.com/#!/thezahraproject)

Thank you sassifrass.  So it is no where near being called an official bill yet.

O/T SASSI, I left you a message in musings.

I come here everyday hoping, praying to hear there has been more arrests. It is so hard to wait. But wait we will. Your are not forgotten, Zahra angel. ::MonkeyAngel::

This is slightly OT so please forgive and delete if you feel the need. These are some things I've been dying to share and since Zahra's case is sadly in a slump I thought now would be a good time.

Let me begin by saying that among other things I am a professional astrologer, and there is no need to freak and run because I have no intention of trying to drum up business here because I have more than I can handle in the real world.

And I do realize several forums have astrology sections, and I am not even remotely suggesting there is one needed here. I will say however, in defense of astrology, if someone actually starts one they should at least know what they are doing, quite unlike the 2 so called astrology forums I've happened across.

That being said, let me share something truly amazing with you.

Over the years I've read and studied every available book on the astrology of serial killers. And I knew I would find at least something pertaining to violence in Elisa's chart, but it took me aback when I actually got around to doing it. Everywhere I turned was another indicator of what she is/was capable of.

I honestly thought when I heard her biological daughter say that she is/was terrified of her mother she was exaggerating. She was not. It truly is a miracle that any of E's children are alive!

Some of the astrological info contained here is from the book "Destined For Murder: Profiles of Six Serial Killers" by Young and Rowland. The book studies in depth the natal charts of Ed Gein, Jeffrey Dahmer, Kenneth Bianchi/Angelo Buono (Hillside Stranglers), Albert DeSalvo (Boston Strangler), John Wayne Gacy and Dennis Nilsen.

Moon 18° Libra - 18° Libra is a dangerous and homicidal degree. Sabian Symbol - Two men placed under arrest.

Mars square Pluto - Tight square @0°02' applying. A dangerous and violent configuration. Especially if your Mars is OOB (out of bounds, like Elisas. @ +23°41' declination). You are a force to be reckoned with. A desire to dominate or manipulate people that can backfire on you and cause confrontations and power struggles. Worse still, you can become emotionally reactive and vengeful if you don't get things your own way. Injuries are possible in high-risk situations or environments.

Mars with Uranus - Highly volatile and unpredictable nature.

Mars with Saturn - Indicates a cruel streak.

Mars conjunct Sun - Two masculine planets. Confrontational and go for the jugular. Excel at sports if they channel the energy that way, if not they are bullies or always stirring up trouble in other ways. Also have great physical strength.

Sun square Pluto - Projects a dangerous aura and often looks for dark truths.

Jupiter square Neptune - Tendency to exaggerate and a likelihood towards deception. Emotional excesses and impractical behavior. Prone to building a castle in the sky rather than living in the real world.

Saturn opposite Moon - Clashes with authority figures. Overwhelmed and exhausted by family responsibilities. Lack of sympathy towards family and others. Lacks emotional flexibility and optimism when dealing with others and often make them feel ill at ease.

Midpoints:

Pluto = Sun/Uranus +0 21'Seperating
A passionate and self-determining individual. Displaying the power of conviction. A law unto oneself; an uncompromising will. Confronting the new or unfamiliar directly. A slow build-up of stress and tension that is suddenly released. Volatile and reactive behavior. Clashes of will. Dominating others or being dominated. Enforced adjustments and separations. An inherent survival instinct.

Pluto = Neptune/Moon's North Node +0 36'Applying
Depressive and manipulative influences within relationships. Coercing and undermining others - or vice versa. Doubt and suspicion within associations; subversive and deceptive elements. Dubious connections. Mutual distrust. Vindictive connections; destructive power struggles. (Charlatans).


Jupiter - 29° Leo - Doesn't melt into the crowd; violence and destructiveness; imprisonment and violent death. (Donna Walter Henson's "Degrees of the Zodiac")

North Node - 17° Aries - Often connected with tragedies and violence, in either the chart of the attacker or the victim. (Donna Walter Henson's "Degrees of the Zodiac")

South Node - 17° Libra - Violence. A person who will get considerable publicity. (Donna Walter Henson's "Degrees of the Zodiac")

Neptune - 25° Scorpio - Alcoholism. Dumbness. A firm character with reckless disregard for personal danger. (Donna Walter Henson's "Degrees of the Zodiac")

Fixed Star Algol conjunct MC - 26°Taurus - Algol most violent star in the heavens. MC directed to this position arouses mob violence and murderous tendencies; often near 8th house cusp of condemned criminals; often in charts of murderers; decapitation. (Donna Walter Henson's "Degrees of the Zodiac")

My note: Among other things, the MC represents the public eye, public image, etc

About Algol:
Algol, "the demon," or Demon Star, which "blinks" in Perseus (The Hero). It changes in brightness from 2.0 to 3.3 magnitude and back again every 2.9 days. Algol is an eclipsing binary. Algol marks Medusa's severed head and has a reputation for violence and extreme danger. Algol is a name derived from Arabic "Al Ghoul" meaning "demon", "evil spirit" or "devil". The word "alcohol" can also be traced to Al Ghoul. Nature of Mars and Saturn.

Arabic Parts:

Part of Children - 24° Aries - Theories and ideas of doubtful value. Homicidal tendency. Alcoholism. (Donna Walter Henson's "Degrees of the Zodiac")

Zahra didn't have a chance!! Everyone has a few challenging aspects, etc. in their chart. Those are where we learn our lessons in life (by overcoming them). I've done thousands of charts and Elisa's is the worst I've ever seen. Ever. Her's is the chart of a monster.

Zahra, on the other hand had the moon in the twentieth degree of Aquarius. :) The (Sabian Symbol) meaning of the twentieth degree of Aquarius is: "A big white dove, a message bearer". That about sums it up. Zahra, The Dove.

Sabian Symbol credits:

The Sabian Symbols as an Oracle by Lynda Hill.
360 Degrees of Wisdom: Charting Your Destiny With The Sabian Oracle by Lynda Hill.

Wildingheart~
Thank for the post
which u interpreted
astronomical info on Elisa.

I found it enlightening and interesting.

Thank u for sharing it asnd taking the time ! ::MonkeyKiss::

Yes, and I thank you too WILDINGHEART. I would be interested to see Adam Baker's chart, as I think he was just as involved as Elisa in Zahra's murder. I just can't believe he is just a shell of a man as dumb as the day is long. Thank you again.

You are both very welcome. Any little thing I can do to contribute to this amazing forum pleases me to no end, because you all do SO much.

I actually did Adam's chart first. And again I knew what would be there.  I would have bet everything I own that he has Neptune conjunct Mercury. And of course, he does.

Neptune is the planet of illusion. Mercury is how we communicate. It doesn't even take an astrologer to see what that is all about. It explains why he can't talk...communicate. He just stands there with that 'duh' look on his face. He's going to make a very interesting witness on the stand. They are going to rip him to shreds, even his Defense attorney will make him look bad.

It isn't stupidity exactly (but it can be), and he actually thinks (illusion-Neptune) that he is communicating (Mercury). And he lies, and in two different ways. First is the way everyone lies. Second is that he doesn't realize he is lying (illusion again), he's a pathological liar.

When a planet is conjunct another planet it's basically blended together. I also rectified his chart and he has Neptune in the 1st house which means:

"You will experience a lack of boundaries between others and yourself, and may show some vagueness in your self-expression. You have the ability to create a fantasy world of your own, and may need to clarify for yourself who you really are." Solar Fire.

Elisa's sin(s) are that of being a monster. The largest number of the so called 'serial killer' themes in Astrology that I (or any other astrologer) found in the charts of Bundy, et al totaled two. Elisa could easily be the biggest case study in history.

Adam's sin is that of omission. He's just a big, dumb, lump who allowed that she-thing to torture, murder and dismember his little girl. And being stupid is no excuse. But I bet you she was the brains and he was the brawn behind the whole thing.

There are a lot of children raised by not so smart people who do an excellent job. It doesn't take brains to raise a child..all it takes is heart.

Wildingheart Have you by any chance done this for Terri Horman and Kyron?

Great work!

I forgot to say, If you have done one for TH and Ky, can you please post it on the Kyron thread.  ::MonkeyAngel::

That was awesome, Wildingheart, Thank You.

Yes, thank you Wild!  It's nice to see an informative piece done on such a monster while all is stalled in the case.  I wouldn't mind if Klaas would allow you to do this for all High Profile cases.  You could have your own thread and do those you feel important to the cases with Klaas' permission on each.  Those who don't even believe will be surprised to read these.  If they are on your own thread within the case then nobody can complain about it taking up room if they don't like it.  I happen to believe but know nothing about it.  Thank you again.

I have a very difficult time coming back to this thread because of the pure evil that Zahra endured from these people.

I wanted to post this beautiful video called "Justice for Zahra". Let's not forget and let's not give up on our determination to get justice for this sweet angel. Keep you tissues handy.  ::MonkeyTears::

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4v_YPaEF3g (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4v_YPaEF3g)

I believe Adam is due in court this week on Jan 21.

Did judge overstep in the Zahra Baker case?
Gaither says Poovey had no right to release warrants

Hickory --
Superior Court Judge Nathaniel Poovey has released 11 warrants related to the Zahra Baker investigation. Some of the documents provided stark insights into the circumstances surrounding the 10-year-old girl's death and dismemberment such as allegations that the child may have been raped before she was killed. Others were mundane, like information about medical records.

An additional 30 warrants were unsealed after the District Attorney's office removed its objections allowing the media to access the documents.

The question is: Did Poovey have the power to release documents sealed by fellow Superior Court judges, or did he overstep his authority?

Some say he did.

"The release of the sealed documents caused immediate and irreparable harm to the state, whereas the injury to the public and the media by a temporary stay of the effect would have been minimal," said District Attorney Jay Gaither.

Poovey released the warrants on Nov. 30. Gaither's office filed a notice of appeal with the North Carolina Court of Appeals on Dec. 30.

Gaither said the appeal isn't about the information in the warrants, but how the warrants were unsealed.

Gaither's concern is that a judge could repeat these actions.

"The dispute is capable of repetition yet evading review," according to notice of appeal.

Though that explains why Gaither is appealing the decision after the warrants have already been unsealed, but the argument may not be enough to convince the Court of Appeals to hear the matter.

"I don't think the Court of Appeals is going to hear it just because it may happen again," said 24-year veteran Superior Court judge Forrest Ferrell, who is now in private practice.

In his order releasing the warrants, Poovey wrote that the public has the right to know what's in them. The district attorney argued that releasing the warrants could jeopardize the case by undermining an ongoing investigation and denying a fair trial to anyone who may be charged in Zahra's death.

But the issue at hand is not whether the information in the warrants should be public or whether their release would mean that the person who killed Zahra could avoid prosecution.

The issue is whether Poovey overstepped his authority when he released the warrants in contradiction to signed orders from four other Superior Court judges.

Gaither thinks it’s a matter for the state appeals court to decide.

"The Court is without authority to overrule, modify or rescind an Order of the Court of the same Division when such an Order is plain, complete and unambiguous," according to the notice of appeal. "Judge Poovey's Order is an impermissible exercise of appellate jurisdiction by a trial Judge."

Ferrell agreed that, in most cases, Superior Court judges should not reverse one another's decisions.

"It is generally true that one Superior Court judge cannot overrule another - unless all the parties agree to it," he said.

N.C. Press Association attorney Amanda Martin does not think Poovey’s Nov. 30 order “overruled” the earlier orders. Martin represented the Hickory Daily Record and several media companies who petitioned the court for the unsealing of the warrants.

“First, each of the earlier orders contained the phrase “until further order of the court,” implying that a subsequent order would be appropriate to release documents that had been sealed,’’ said Martin.

“Even more fundamentally, however, the Administrative Order stated that warrants would be sealed for 30 days unless a specific time were stated.  In this case, no specific time was stated, and therefore by definition the warrants were public after 30 days,” sid Martin. “Judge Poovey’s Order simply recognized or clarified that fact.”

THE CONFLICT'S ORIGIN

The problem started Oct. 1 - more than a week before Zahra was reported missing - when Senior Resident Superior Court Judge Timothy Kincaid issued an administrative order about search warrants. It stated that search warrants are public record after they have been served unless a judge issues an order sealing them. If a warrant is sealed, that sealing order "Shall expire in 30 days unless a different expiration date is specified in the order."

Kincaid’s order echoes North Carolina’s Public Record Law, which states that search warrants become public records once they have been served.

When Zahra Baker was reported missing Oct. 9 and the search was declared a homicide investigation on Oct. 12, search warrants were issued for a variety of locations, electronic devices and websites.

Judges Kincaid, Poovey, Robert Bell, Richard Boner, Burford Cherry and Thomas Locke sealed the warrants indefinitely, "until further order of the court," in response to the district attorney's requests. That phrase made the orders appear to be in conflict with Kincaid's Oct. 1 order.

When Poovey released 11 search warrants on Nov. 30, he wrote that, "When possible, orders shall be read in such a way as to resolve or avoid conflict," and ordered the Clerk of Court to release the warrants.

A judge has the ability to vacate his own orders, but that's not what Poovey did in the Zahra case. He countermanded his fellow judges' orders by issuing an order to release warrants he interpreted to have already been unsealed through Kincaid's Oct. 1 order.

North Carolina law states that only appellate (appeals) courts have the authority to parse conflicting orders from judges. "No judge can change, abrogate or overrule another judge of the same court." (Morley vs. Morley) The only exception would be an instance where it could be shown that the judge whose order was being re-versed had committed "abuse of discretion." (Pinney vs. Sate Farm).

It remains to be seen if the state appeals court will agree to hear the District Attorney's motion.

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/jan/16/did-judge-overstep-zahra-baker-case-ar-697708/

Forgive the OT but I wanted to let those who requested it know that I posted the Kyron and Terri Astrology on Kyron's thread.

An opportunity for DSS to step up
By The Record Editorial Staff
Published: January 15, 2011

Over the last several weeks as we’ve searched for answers in the Zahra Baker tragedy, lots of questions have been asked of the Department of Social Services.

After numerous reports from family and friends who said they had seen Zahra verbally abused, slapped and punished by her stepmother Elisa Baker, we all have asked why didn’t DSS intervene, and possibly rescue the 10-year-old girl from her eventual fate.

When Zahra went to school with a black eye, school officials called DSS, according to neighbor Bobby Green of Hudson.

Another neighbor in the same trailer park where Green lives, Corrine Yount, said she could hear Zahra screaming and Elisa yelling at her. “We called DSS on her, too, but they never did anything.”

And there were other pleas for help.

Many inquiries have been made since Oct. 9 to the Caldwell County Department of Social Services.

All we’ve heard from DSS was a brief statement issued Oct. 14:

“The Caldwell County Department of Social Services is prohibited from discussing, disclosing information or confirming or denying the department’s involvement with any individual or family as in reference to North Carolina General Statute 108A-80, North Carolina General Statute 7B-302 (a). “All questions should be directed to the investigating agency in this case,which is the Hickory Police Department in Hickory, North Carolina.”

Well, we’ve got some questions, and they are directed at DSS:

Why not take the opportunity to speak to the public about potential abuse cases? You don’t have to talk directly about what happened in Zahra’s case.

But why not a public campaign telling people how to spot child abuse, how to report it, what actual steps (generally speaking) DSS takes after abuse cases are reported?

The information is on the DSS website, but it’s vague and offers little real direction:

Question: “What can I do if I think a child is being mistreated/abused?”

Answer: “If you suspect a child is being abused or neglected, you must contact your local county Department of Social Services immediately.This reporting is confidential. Every local county Department of Social Services in North Carolina provides protective services for children, in addition to foster care and adoption services.”

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Out of a problem springs a solution. We know privacy laws are there to protect children and families. But those laws should not be used to hide behind.

We want to know what DSS can do tomorrow, next week and next year to prevent another tragic situation like what happened to Zahra from happening again?

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/jan/15/opportunity-dss-step-ar-697357/

Thank you, Wildingheart.

After reading here at Scared Monkeys for as long as I have been, and seeing stories like Zahra's everyday, I decided to make a report to my local Children & Youth Organization about a child, who in MY mind, was and still is being abused, and they DID NOTHING, and there is not a thing I can do, other than continue making calls and saying the same thing over and over.

It breaks my heart every time I see this little boy knowing that he's being abused and I wonder if he ever thinks why isn't anyone stopping this woman. I want to tell him that I've tried, but don't know how to say it without making trouble for him.  ::MonkeyTears::

I don't understand why it's so hard for these people to just follow up on a complaint and then make the decision if further investigation is needed. I hate the way these services are being run, and it's our children who are paying the price, usually with their lives!

This makes me so mad!

What I want to see is the investigation and warrants in Adam Baker's part of the murder. The affidavits and warrants we have seen have all been against Alisa and very little about Adam. Why? The most mentioned was Alisa's phone was in the places evidence was found but not Adams. What did that prove?

 Where was Adam during the time Elisa says Zahra died and was dismembered? How does he explain saying he saw Zahra on the Thursday before they filed a missing report on her? Where are his interviews? How does he explain the cadaver dogs hit on both his and Alisa's car? Why was he not kept in jail along with Elisa when at first they had the same exact charges against them, except Elisa said she wrote the ransom note. Did Adam not recognize Alisa's writing right away? He went along with the ransom note story and said he thought Zahra was abducted. No Adam! She had been dead TWO weeks already. How did you enjoy Octoberfest the Saturday before you said she was missing?

It seems the police is trying to portray Adam as a grieving father, free to move around and have his mommy take care of him and his problems. The only time I saw anything like the police were not buying his story is the day the Police Chief and Adam were having a press conference outside the police station right at the beginning. When Adam was playing the poor old dad part and was trying to say how much he miss Zahra and started (pretended) to break down, instead of the chief putting his hand on his arm or around his shoulders, he stood there and almost shrugged.

Now they have "cracked" the case, have their perp in jail and I don't believe in my heart they are going any further with the investigation. Too much time has past to be waiting for forensics. They probably don't really know how Zahra died and they are afraid to go forward with the case.

My feeling is, charge them both with murder and try them together. Present all the evidence they have of abuse and bruising and no medical care not being here legally,and Elisa a bigamist and Adam knew it. Let the witnesses testify about seeing this abuse and bring in the DPS and let them try to squirm out of why they did nothing. Show the jury the pictures of poor little Zahra's body parts, her prosthesis, and hearing aids Alisa kept as a trophy in a Black Velvet bag. Show them how small the house was and how it would be impossible for the horrible conditions Zahra had to live in and the mattress she probably died in not to have been seen by Adam. Show them the blood evidence, even in the kitchen, and ask how a reasonable person could possibly not notice Zahra was gone and her blood spatter was all over the house. Adams tools were probably used in the disposal.  Possibly a chain saw and I still believe that wood chipper was used in part of the disposal. Then let the jury decide how innocent Adam is. I doubt if many think Elisa is. What about Adam?? Adam is just as guilty as Alisa. He just puts on a good act of being the village idiot.

The longer this goes on, the madder I get. Anybody notice?  (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/Dancing_Grenade3.gif)

Fanny Mae, if it makes you feel better (because it sure made me feel better) there's a section in the warrants that talk about Adam in the suspect role, not the grieving parent role.  I can't recall which page, but I was glad to see language finally pointing to his involvement.

Fanny Mae, if it makes you feel better (because it sure made me feel better) there's a section in the warrants that talk about Adam in the suspect role, not the grieving parent role.  I can't recall which page, but I was glad to see language finally pointing to his involvement.
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Thanks STARWYNN. I've read the warrants a couple of times and I didn't glean much about suspicions of Adam in them. Maybe I am missing something. The biggest thing I remember was the checking of his phone, and his phone not being where the evidence was found. I'll go back through them again.

GIZZIE, I have been thinking about your post ever since I read it. I don't know exactly how the Children and Youth Protection is set up in you state, but usually it is set up on a county by county basis. That is how Zahra slipped through the cracks so many times, they just moved. But there should be a department they answer to, most probably a County Commission. There may be an overall State Children and Youth Protection department that oversees all the counties. I would make another call to your local CYP and make another complaint. I would tell them this time if there is no action you are going to the County Commission or whoever oversees them in you area. If that doesn't work, I would go to the State, but in any case I would not give them much time to act. There is also the media, who usually has a "On your side" reporter who looks into viewers complaints. I would exhaust all possible avenues because you may save this child's life or at the very least, make his life a little easier.

I think GYPSYDD said she used to be a social worker. Maybe she could give you some other ideas. I think you are an angel for trying to help and you should be commended. Please don't give up.  ::MonkeyAngel::

GIZZIE, you could also call the police while the abuse is going on.  Good luck.

Gizzie..that would be horrible trying to help a child and nothing is being done..
is it possible that the little boy could come to your house and spend some time? Would the mom allow that?  it might be a refuge to him.

fanny mae those are good points about AB, makes you wonder,why LE hasnt pursued his statements
AB made in public, considering zahra, had been dead 2wks b4 he said he last saw her, will have to
look for that vid,maybe that isnt what he said,but i thought, he had said something like that too

Rad Berky on Twitter say an indictment against Elisa Baker may be handed down this afternoon.....

Video of Adam and police chief

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-hickory-girl-zahra-bakers-mom-involved-dad/story?id=11848643

I still say, what about Adam?

The exchange between Chief Atkins and Adam is right at the end.

Briefcase found which may contain evidence in Zahra Baker case

CALDWELL COUNTY, NC (WBTV) – WBTV has learned that a briefcase has been found that may contain evidence relating to the disappearance of a Hickory girl who was reported missing in October.

Zahra Baker is the 10-year-old girl whose remains were later found scattered in two locations in Caldwell County last fall.  Officials said her body had been dismembered. 

FULL COVERAGE: Follow the entire Zahra Baker case

The newest development in the case is the discovery of a briefcase found on Christie Road in Caldwell County Tuesday morning.  A source said the contents appeared to be bloody clothing.

The briefcase was found deep in the woods beyond the area that had been searched by investigators in November.
The items will be sent to the SBI lab in Raleigh to be analyzed.  Only then will investigators know if the items relate to the case at all.   

MORE,,,,

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13862219

Report: Briefcase May Hold Clues in Zahra Baker Case
Briefcase found in Caldwell County on Tuesday

http://www.myfox8.com/news/wghp-story-report-briefcase-baker-100119,0,283045.story?track=rss

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CALDWELL COUNTY, NC (WBTV) – WBTV has learned that a briefcase has been found that may contain evidence relating to the disappearance of a Hickory girl who was reported missing in October which attracted national and international attention.

Zahra Baker is the 10-year-old girl whose remains were later scattered in two locations in Caldwell County last fall.  Officials said her body had been dismembered. 

FULL COVERAGE: Follow the entire Zahra Baker case

The newest development in the case is the discovery of a briefcase that was found Tuesday morning on Christie Road in Caldwell County.

A source said the contents appeared to be clothing or some other type of cloth that was possibly stained by blood or some other dark substance.

The briefcase was found deep in the woods beyond the area that had been previously searched by investigators in November.

The items will be sent to the SBI lab in Raleigh to be analyzed.  Only then will investigators know for sure if the items relate to the case at all.   

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13862219

Lawd, how I wish they could find Adam's bloody fingerprints on the inside of that briefcase.

me too! I can't imagine that either of those fools would have had a brief case.. ::MonkeyRoll::

Loggers find items related to Zahra Baker case

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CALDWELL COUNTY, N.C. -- Loggers working in Caldwell County Tuesday found a briefcase containing items related to the Zahra Baker case.

The briefcase contained what appeared to be a blanket or clothing related to the 10-year-old who was reported missing in October 2010.

The briefcase was found off Christie Road, which is where investigators found Zahra's prosthetic leg on Oct. 26.

The girl was reported missing on Oct. 9. Search warrants indicate Elisa Baker, Zahra's stepmother, told Hickory police that Zahra died on Sept. 24, but there are no details as to how or why she died.

The same warrant says Baker told police that Adam Baker, Zahra's father, dismembered the girl's body and hid parts of it in several locations around Caldwell County.

Elisa Baker is behind bars on charges unrelated to Zahra's death. So far, no one has been charged in connection with the death.

NewsChannel 36 reporter Rad Berky is in Caldwell County. He'll have more details on this developing story tonight on NewsChannel 36 at 6 p.m.

http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Loggers-find-items-related-to-Zahra-Baker-case-114150349.html

Probably something to keep all Elisa's marriage licences and alias's in... ::piggy::

Elisa Baker indicted on bigamy charges


Elisa Baker, whose stepdaughter’s death and dismemberment have captivated an audience worldwide, was indicted Tuesday on a bigamy charge, accused of marrying Adam Baker in Australia before divorcing her previous husband.

Elisa and Adam Baker were married in Australia in July 2008. Adam Baker’s daughter, Zahra, was reported missing in October. The 10-year-old girl’s body was dismembered and her remains were discarded.

Court documents obtained by the ******* show Elisa and her former husband of 10 years, Aaron Young, separated in May 2008 and divorced on August 21, 2009 – more than a year after Elisa and Adam Baker’s marriage.

Elisa Baker and Young have remained in frequent contact, police say, and photos of Zahra with Young appear the Facebook pages for both Elisa Baker and Young.

Elisa Baker told Adam Baker that Young was her brother, police say.

Bigamy is a low level punishment. For someone like Elisa Baker, who has no felony convictions, she faces probation if convicted.

Police, meanwhile, are continuing their investigation into Zahra Baker’s death. The 10-year-old girl has survived cancer, lost a leg and had a hearing impairment.

The investigation has focused largely on what role, if any, Elisa Baker played in Zahra’s death, according to search warrants unsealed in recent weeks.

Elisa Baker told authorities that Zahra died on Sept. 24 – two weeks before the girl was reported missing. She accused Adam Baker of dismembering his daughter, and said she and Adam Baker dumped Zahra’s body parts in various locations, according to court documents.

Family members have told the ******* that Zahra had been sick before dying and that Elisa and Adam Baker didn’t take her the hospital. They said the Bakers might have feared authorities because Adam Baker was in the country illegally and because DSS had investigated Elisa Baker.

Both Elisa and Adam Baker have denied any wrongdoing.

Elisa Baker has been in jail since October when she was charged with obstruction of justice. Police say she admitted writing a phony ransom note to throw off the investigation into Zahra’s disappearance.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/01/18/1989873/elisa-baker-indicted-on-bigamy.html

They are really moving on this case like a house on fire. Indicted on BIGAMY? What about MURDER! I'm gonna have to take another blood pressure pill.  ::MonkeyMad::

pass one over for me! and I don't even have high blood pressure...

lol Fanny...

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Bigamy is a low level punishment. For someone like Elisa Baker, who has no felony convictions, she faces probation if convicted.

What does the woman have to do to be a felon?? Didn't Skanky get convicted for a felony for check charges? I know they weren't her checks. She was dumb enough to sign her own name. But Elisa has a record a mile long! Charge her with murder, how 'bout it? Here! I think we all need one of these. 
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I have perhaps a very dumb question, has it ever been absolutely verified when Zhara was actually died/murdered?  I realize there have been dates thrown out there but is it the true for a fact time from the Coronor/autopsy or just what evil Eliza gave?

 I've followed this from the beginning and I don't recall any exact time line.  The only thing that may be was where the mattress was found and the grid matching approximate date at the landfill?

I have followed it from the beginning too..I am not sure if anyone other than her murderers know for sure the exact time line...sad but true...

Thanks STARWYNN. I've read the warrants a couple of times and I didn't glean much about suspicions of Adam in them. Maybe I am missing something. The biggest thing I remember was the checking of his phone, and his phone not being where the evidence was found. I'll go back through them again.
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I believe it was in the second set of warrants released; I'd have to go back through and search through them.  I referenced it in a post on here, too.

Indicted on Bigamy! Seems like they are working from the bottom up on this case. Setting the basis for premeditation?

OK, really giving them more credit than I *feel* like giving, MAYYYbe they're trying to get this done, have it stick, because it's easily proved.  Mayyyybe if they get SOME verifiable criminal charges on her record, it will some how help to portray her as manipulative, officially, and manipulative enough to have done the murder.  I'd like to think, and might be stretching it to do so, that this could some how make punishments more harsh and conviction more certain in the Zahra case. 

I hope.

Because they're pissing me off, bless 'em.  lol

Logging crew finds briefcase near where Zahra's prosthesis was found


HUDSON --
Logging crews working on Christie Road in Caldwell County Tuesday morning recovered a briefcase that may be related to the Zahra Baker investigation.

The crew was working on the opposite side of the road from where a prosthesis and a bone, both later identified as Zahra Baker's, were recovered in late October.

Because of the proximity to where the evidence to the Baker case was recovered and where the briefcase was found, the logging crew called the Hickory Police Department, thinking it may be related to the case.

The briefcase contained an old, moldy blanket, according to Capt. Thurman Whisnant with the Hickory Police Department. Investigators said they don't know yet if it is connected to Zahra's death.

They are preparing to send it to the SBI lab for further analysis.

Zahra, 10 and a cancer survivor who lost part of her left leg and her hearing to the disease, was first reported missing on Oct. 9. Although she was initially believed to be missing, police changed it to a homicide investigation on Oct. 12. Her stepmother, Elisa Baker, is in jail for writing the false ransom note that was found the day Zahra was reported missing. Elisa has been indicted on one count of felony obstruction of justice for the note, which she confessed to writing.

Much of the evidence in the case has been recovered on Christie Road and Dudley Shoals Road, both in Caldwell County.

Staff is at the scene at Christie Road, gathering additional information. Come back to www.hickoryrecord.com for more information.

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/jan/18/logging-crew-finds-briefcase-near-where-zahras-pro-ar-704576/

Loggers Find Items In Area Where Zahra’s Prosthetic Leg Was Discovered

Posted: 2:28 pm EST January 18, 2011

CALDWELL COUNTY, N.C. -- Loggers working along Christie Road in Caldwell County found a bag with a blanket inside of it on Tuesday afternoon.

The prosthetic leg of 10-year-old Zahra Baker was discovered in the same area in late October. The prosthesis was found directly across the street from the area where the bag was found.

It’s unclear whether the bag and blanket are related to the investigation into Zahra’s disappearance and death.

The girl’s remains were found on Nov. 10 in the Dudley Shoals area. No one has been charged in her death.

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/26530132/detail.html

Reporting has changed from a briefcase found deep in the woods containing bloodstained clothes to a bag  having a moldy blanket right across the street where the prosthetic cover was found   ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyEek::

Let's hope they can fingerprint the briefcase or the bag, and that the bag is like the white loews bags or another bag from within the house, and that the blanket or cloth inside of it has Zahra's blood.  Maybe that could help pin the insect (Adam) down to actually being part of the dispersal of the body, which can help prove that he was part of it and knew about the death finally.  Even though we ALL knew he knew, "beyond a reasonable doubt" helps.

Loggers find items related to Zahra Baker case

CALDWELL COUNTY, N.C. -- Loggers working in Caldwell County Tuesday found a briefcase containing items related to the Zahra Baker case.

The briefcase contained what appeared to be a blanket or clothing related to the 10-year-old who was reported missing in October 2010.

The briefcase was found off Christie Road, which is where investigators found Zahra's prosthetic leg on Oct. 26.

The girl was reported missing on Oct. 9. Search warrants indicate Elisa Baker, Zahra's stepmother, told Hickory police that Zahra died on Sept. 24, but there are no details as to how or why she died.

The same warrant says Baker told police that Adam Baker, Zahra's father, dismembered the girl's body and hid parts of it in several locations around Caldwell County.

Elisa Baker is behind bars on charges unrelated to Zahra's death. So far, no one has been charged in connection with the death.

Meanwhile Tuesday, Elisa Baker was indicted on bigamy charges. Investigators said she was still married to another man when she married Adam Baker.

NewsChannel 36 reporter Rad Berky is in Caldwell County. He'll have more details on this developing story tonight on NewsChannel 36 at 6 p.m.

http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Loggers-find-items-related-to-Zahra-Baker-case-114150349.html

Briefcase may be connected to Zahra Baker case


Loggers found a briefcase containing a blanket in Caldwell County and police say they are looking for a possible link to their investigation into Zahra Baker’s death.

Investigators said this afternoon they sent the blanket to the State Bureau of Investigation in Raleigh for analysis in the case of the 10-year-old police reported missing in October and declared dead a month later.

When asked Tuesday if the contents were related to the Zahra Baker case, Dep. Chief Clyde Deal said "We can't say for sure that it is or that isn't."

The briefcase was found in the area of Christie road where police found a bone fragment belonging to Zahra and the gel liner of her prosthetic leg.

Zahra, who was hearing-impaired and walked with the help of a prosthesis after losing her left leg to cancer, was reported missing by her father, Adam, on Oct. 9.

A month later, police said they had credible evidence that Zahra was dead after analyzing DNA from the bone fragment found at Christie Road.

Zahra's father, Adam Baker, and stepmother Elisa Baker have denied any wrongdoing in the case. Elisa Baker was arrested on Oct. 10 on unrelated charges, then charged with obstruction of justice on Oct. 12 after investigators say she admitted writing a bogus ransom note.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/01/18/1990058/briefcase-may-be-connected-to.html

I believe it was in the second set of warrants released; I'd have to go back through and search through them.  I referenced it in a post on here, too.
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I read the second set too. The only thing that perked me up was the fact Adam and Elisa played the Chainsaw Massacre game together online two day before Elisa said Zahra "died."  I'm not saying you are wrong for feeling optimistic. It's just I am not.  ::MonkeyWink::

CALDWELL COUNTY, NC (WBTV) – WBTV has learned that a briefcase has been found that may contain possible blood evidence relating to the disappearance of a Hickory girl who was reported missing in October and later was found dead.

Meanwhile, the stepmother of Zahra Baker was indicted Tuesday afternoon by a grand jury for bigamy as authorities allege Elisa Baker, 42, was married to Zahra's father, Adam, while she was still married to a Caldwell County man.

MORE...

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13862219

O/T NORTHERN has posted some new information on Hailey's thread.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Stepmother of Zahra Baker faces bigamy charge

NEWTON, N.C. (AP) - The stepmother of a disabled North Carolina girl who died under mysterious circumstances has been indicted on a charge of bigamy.

The indictment was issued Tuesday. It accuses Elisa Baker of marrying Zahra Baker's father when the North Carolina woman was still legally married to another man.

Court documents show Elisa Baker's marriage to Aaron Young ended in August 2009. But The Associated Press has interviewed people who attended her marriage ceremony to Adam Baker more than a year before that in Australia.

In North Carolina, bigamy is a low level felony.

Calls to lawyers representing Baker were not immediately returned Tuesday .

Elisa Baker is currently in jail on charges of obstructing the investigation into her stepdaughter's disappearance last fall.

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13863852

Bolded by me.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20027306-504083.html
Zahra Baker Update: Disabled NC Girl Died Two Weeks Before Being Reported Missing, Warrant States
January 5, 2011

NEWTON, N.C. (CBS/WBTV/AP) Newly released court documents indicate that 10-year-old Zahra Baker may have died more than two weeks before she was reported missing by her stepmother and father.

That revelation was contained in more than 200 pages of previously sealed search warrants that were released Tuesday afternoon.

According to CBS affiliate WBTV, in one of the warrants, Hickory police recount an interview with Zahra's stepmother, Elisa Baker, where police say Baker stated that Zahra died Sept. 24, and that the next day the body was dismembered and disposed of in various places in Caldwell County.
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I think the Bigamy charge is important, and it may have just taken some time to get all the ducks in a row to make the charge, such as getting records verified, which include those in Australia.  From what I've gathered from reading, there are a lot of privacy laws in Australia and that may have been part of what took a while to get info to make the charge.    Even though Elisa and/or Adam may have more serious  charges up ahead of them, I don't think prosecutors want to make mistakes and get things thrown out.  They need convictions, not arrests imo.  I think there's a reason the Bigamy charge is being pursued, and I guess we'll need to see it play out.

But MUFFY, you know I'm not a very patient person.  (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/angrycat.jpg)

Awww, I know Fanny Mae.  We're all ready for some justice for Zahra.   ::MonkeyJustice::   

Zahra's stepmum charged with bigamy

    * From: AAP
    * January 19, 2011 9:34AM

ZAHRA Baker's American stepmother has been charged with bigamy.

Elisa Baker, who has been locked up in a North Carolina jail since 10-year-old Wagga Wagga-born Zahra went missing last October, illegally married Zahra's father Adam Baker in a July, 2008, ceremony in Queensland, US prosecutors allege.

Ms Baker was still married to North Carolina man Aaron Young and did not get divorced until August 21, 2009, it is alleged.

Mr Baker, a former Queensland sugar mill worker, met Ms Baker on the internet and apparently was clueless she remained married.

When Mr Baker and Zahra moved from Australia to North Carolina to be with her, prosecutors allege, Ms Baker said Mr Young was her brother.

Authorities are yet to charge anyone with the murder of Zahra, whose body was dismembered and parts tossed or buried in bushland outside of the town of Hickory, North Carolina, where she lived with her father and Ms Baker.

Zahra's prosthetic leg was also dumped in bushland.

Zahra was reported missing from the family home on October 9 and Ms Baker was arrested a day later, accused of writing a fake ransom note.

According to search warrants filed by police investigating Zahra's death, Mr Baker, Ms Baker and Mr Young may have been involved in a bizarre "chainsaw massacre role-playing" game on the internet just days before Zahra went missing.

Investigators continue to follow leads in the case, with the latest the discovery of a briefcase in bushland near where Zahra's prosthetic leg and a piece of bone were discovered in late October.

Logging crews were working in the area yesterday when they found the briefcase.

The crews called police and a mouldy blanket was found inside the briefcase. It has been sent to a laboratory for testing.

The story of Zahra, who had part of her left leg amputated five years ago after a struggle with bone cancer, has made headlines around the world.

AAP

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/zahras-stepmum-charged-with-bigamy/story-e6frg6so-1225990881738

The bigamy charge proves they are not legally married and can testify against one another is maybe why it is important.

Blanket found possibly related to Zahra case; Elisa Baker indicted

CALDWELL COUNTY, NC (WBTV) – WBTV has learned that a briefcase has been found that may contain possible blood evidence relating to the disappearance of a Hickory girl who was reported missing in October and was later found dead.
Meanwhile, the stepmother of Zahra Baker was indicted Tuesday afternoon by a grand jury for bigamy as authorities allege Elisa Baker, 42, was married to Zahra's father, Adam, while she was still married to a Caldwell County man.
FULL COVERAGE: Follow the entire Zahra Baker case
Zahra Baker is the 10-year-old girl whose scattered remains were found several weeks ago in two locations in Caldwell County.  Officials said her body had been dismembered, but no one has been charged in her death.

The newest development in the case on Tuesday was the discovery of a briefcase found on Christie Road in Caldwell County.  Also, police say that Elisa Baker did not divorce a man before marrying Adam Baker in the summer of 2008. (See the related divorce paperwork here)
A logger found the briefcase just before noon and authorities tell us it appears it had been in the woods for a long time.  A source told WBTV the briefcase contained a blanket possibly stained by blood or some other dark substance.
The briefcase was found deep in the woods beyond the area that was previously searched by investigators in November.
It was across the road from where Zahra's prosthetic leg and bone were found last fall, and about a hundred yards from a concrete memorial marker put up by the owner of the land. The briefcase and its contents will be sent to the SBI lab in Raleigh to be analyzed.  Only then will investigators know for sure if the items relate to the case.   
Elisa Baker, 42, who has been married at least three times, had her divorce finalized in August 21, 2009, according to Caldwell County court records obtained by WBTV. That marriage began in 1998, according to the documents.  (Read the previous story about the marriages)
Adam Baker, 33, brought 10-year-old Zahra with him when he moved to the US from Australia after meeting Elisa Baker on a website called IMVU, a social network and 3D virtual world where people create characters of themselves.
A conviction on bigamy charges rarely results in jail time, said officials but could change the way any future cases involving Elisa Baker are prosecuted. Under North Carolina law, husbands cannot testify about private conversations with their wives and vice versa unless both parties agree to allow it. That spousal privilege can hinder some cases, said an official who did not want to be named.
While conversations are protected, a spouse can be compelled to testify to what they may have seen the other spouse do.  As to whether a bigamy conviction could make the marriage null and void and eliminate any argument of spousal privilege, officials say that would be a matter for the courts to decide.

MORE....

http://hickory.wbtv.com/content/blanket-found-possibly-related-zahra-case-elisa-baker-indicted

Dad's View: Where was Zahra Baker's father?


Dads are supposed to be protectors.

How many times have you heard about fathers meeting their daughter’s date before the date? How many times do nervous young men sit down with fathers, asking for a daughter’s hand in marriage? Men understand other men. Fathers know what make for good husbands, or they should.

Why didn’t Zahra Baker’s father know what makes for a good stepmother? How could he know so little in terms of who was around his daughter, now dead? I have more questions for Adam Baker than a prosecutor will for the stepmother, Elisa Baker.

I do my best to protect my daughters. Do I know who they play with on the playground at school? Do I know who their ballet teacher is married to? How close do I live to a sexual predator? Those are jobs I own, though ones at which I might not be excelling. I think it’s a shame that I should have to think that way.

If Elisa Baker had anything to do with the death of poor Zahra, then what kind of protector was the “innocent until proven guilty” father, Adam Baker.

“There's no way I would do that to my baby,” Adam Baker told WBTV. “There's no way in the world I would hurt my daughter.”

My anxious mind and heart enter each new year of my daughters’ lives with the knowledge that I’m supposed to know more than them. I’m supposed to have them engulfed in safety, inside or outside the walls of my home. The world’s become a scary place. It’s no longer the “Leave It To Beaver” world of the 1950s and 60s for today’s children.

Zahra Baker should be living like a kid, enjoying new experiences that come with each new day of the new year. But a family and community in the North Carolina mountains rang in 2011 with one less loved one.

MORE....

http://www.wral.com/lifestyles/goaskmom/blogpost/8961909/

All I'm gonna say about this is Jay Gaither is a damn fool, and I am glad I dont live in Cat. Co
If he didnt want them released it was the job of HIS OFFICE to go back to court and ask for an extension once the 30 days was up. Why wait til 30 DAYS AFTER THEY WERE RELEASED TO COMPLAIN?

He is posturing now. Giving himself an out if this case goes south. He gets this on record now, and he will be able to blame it on Poovey later. In trying to cover his ass, he is making himself look like an idiot.

OHHH hot diggity d___!!   ::MonkeyDance::

Stepmother of Zahra Baker faces bigamy charge (with video)

http://charlotte.news14.com/content/top_stories/635510/stepmother-of-zahra-baker-faces-bigamy-charge

Briefcase Found In Area Where Zahra’s Prosthetic Leg Was Discovered  (with video)


CALDWELL COUNTY, N.C. -- Loggers working along Christie Road in Caldwell County found a briefcase with a blanket inside of it on Tuesday afternoon.

VIDEO: Briefcase Found In Area Where Zahra's Prosthetic Leg Was Discovered


The prosthetic leg of 10-year-old Zahra Baker was discovered in the same area in late October. The prosthesis was found directly across the street from the area where the briefcase was found.

The loggers’ work came to an abrupt halt after a cutter spotted the briefcase deep in the woods, about a quarter of a mile from the roadway.

“I think it's still tragic and if we can find something that helps, I hope we did it,” logger Tim Bristol said.

It’s unclear whether the briefcase and blanket are related to the investigation into Zahra’s disappearance and death. Police said only that the blanket was covered in mold and mildew and that they plan to test it at the state lab.

Meanwhile, a grand jury met in Catawba County on Tuesday and indicted Zahra’s stepmother, Elisa Baker, for bigamy. She is accused of marrying Zahra's father, Adam Baker, while she was still legally married to another man.

Renee Bobbitt, who was a neighbor of the Bakers, said Elisa Baker’s other husband lived across the street.

“Everybody around here thought that was her brother,” Bobbitt said. “We didn't know it was one of her husbands.”

No one has been charged in Zahra’s death, and many community members said Tuesday that they are waiting to hear of more serious charges in the case. It’s been more than three months since the girl was reported missing.

“Who cares about the bigamy stuff? Let's get to the charges -- the real charges,” Caroline Duraska said.

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/26530132/detail.html

Briefcase Found In Area Where Zahra's Prosthetic Leg Was Discovered
http://www.wsoctv.com/video/26532273/index.html

Loggers find items related to Zahra Baker case; stepmother indicted  (with video)


CALDWELL COUNTY, N.C. -- Loggers working in Caldwell County Tuesday found a briefcase containing items related to the Zahra Baker case on the same day a new criminal charge came down against Elisa Baker, Zahra's stepmom.

The briefcase contained what appeared to be a blanket or clothing related to the 10-year-old who was reported missing in October 2010.

The briefcase was found off Christie Road, which is where investigators found Zahra's prosthetic leg on Oct. 26.

Tim Bristol is one of the loggers who was working in the area when the briefcase was found. He said the case appeared to be brand new and they suspected right away it might be related to the death of Zahra Baker.

“We thought it probably had something to do with this case, you know,” he explained. “I think it’s tragic and if we can find something to help, I hope we did it.”

The girl was reported missing on Oct. 9. Search warrants indicate Elisa Baker, Zahra's stepmother, told Hickory police that Zahra died on Sept. 24, but there are no details as to how or why she died.

The same warrant says Baker told police that Adam Baker, Zahra's father, dismembered the girl's body and hid parts of it in several locations around Caldwell County.

Elisa Baker is behind bars on charges unrelated to Zahra's death. So far, no one has been charged in connection with the death.

Meanwhile Tuesday, Elisa Baker was indicted on bigamy charges. Investigators said she was still married to another man, Aaron Yong, when she married Adam Baker.

Police said Elisa and Young fooled people into thinking they were siblings when they stopped living as husband and wife. Young's brother told NewsChannel 36 the whole family even celebrated Christmas together.

Though the charge of bigamy is a minor one--a Class I felony--without serious criminal penalties, the indictment brought Tuesday might have hidden consequences.

Missy Owen, a Charlotte attorney, told NewsChannel 36 a conviction would invalidate Elisa Baker's marriage to Adam Baker, which would keep the couple from using spousal privilege in a legal proceeding.

"If the marriage is invalidated, that privilege no longer exists...They would be sworn under oath and required to tell the truth," Owen said. "If they are looking to use one of the Bakers against each other....seeking to have their marriage determined null and void would be very important."

The North Carolina statue on spousal privilege specifies that spouses can be compelled to testify about each other behaviors, but they can't be asked to reveal "confidential communication."

http://www.wcnc.com/news/zahra-baker/Loggers-find-items-related-to-Zahra-Baker-case-114150349.html

Having indicted Gothmommy on Bigamy charges is for me like light at the end of the long....tunnel.
After she is found guilty of this, then
LE can have a field day with the 2 of those fools
turning on each other like rattle snakes who are starved ! ::monkeywine2::

Video showing briefcase

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13862219

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/2011Jan/ZahraBriefcase011811.jpg)

there should be fingerprints or dna somewhere on that briefcase! or a hair or a fiber...

Ok. I woke up with a new attitude about the bigamy charge. I don't have much hope for what Adam will say. He will probably testify " I wuz at werk."  ::MonkeyTongue::

Kat - have you kept up with the craziness on the FB sites for Zahra?

Elisa Baker's ex denies role in Zahra's death (WITH AY ON VIDEO's - 3 VIDEOS)

HICKORY, N.C. – Aaron Young, who was married to Elisa Baker for a decade, and is considered a key figure in the Zahra Baker disappearance and murder investigation told News 14 Carolina on Wednesday that he felt like a father to young girl.

“I loved Zahra just as much as anybody. I got close to her and she was close to me and we always had fun together. (There) ain't no way I could do that to any kid, especially Zahra, because Zahra, like I said, was basically the perfect child,” he said.

Elisa Baker was charged with bigamy earlier this week because authorities say she was still married to Young when she married Adam Baker and became Zahra's stepmother. Young said Zahra called him “Uncle Aaron,” and that relationship, he said, involved him in Zahra's death investigation.

“I know I didn't have anything to do with it whatsoever. I hadn't been around Elisa since February. I'd run into them a couple times and that'd be it. I hadn't even, I'd never been to the house in Hickory. I don't even know what the inside of it looks like,” he said.

Young had spent a lot of time with Elisa, Adam and Zahra Baker and said Elisa was jealous of the attention Zahra recieved.

“I didn't see physical abuse firsthand. I seen some bruises on her and she would basically say the same thing Elisa said. She'd fall, she tripped and fell into the sink one time. I guess people just believed it because Zahra was telling the same thing that Elisa was and Zahra loved Elisa like her own mother and she called her 'mum,' said Young.

Young said he reported abuse to Social Services in February, around the time he lost contact with the Bakers. He found out Zahra was missing when everyone else did

“I thought she ran away because of all the emotional abuse and stuff, that was my hopes anyway. I hoped she ran away,” he said.

Then he heard more details and that Elisa was a suspect.

“I don't know anybody that would be involved. but I know Elisa is capable of doing this herself. She's not this weak woman, you know, that people want to think she is. She's strong enough to handle her own. She could do all this herself.

Young said Adam Baker is a good man with a big heart and he has a hard time believing he had something to do with Zarha's death.

http://charlotte.news14.com/content/top_stories/635567/elisa-baker-s-ex-denies-role-in-zahra-s-death

When watching the above videos you think they are over and then they keep going.  Don't click the next one too soon.

AY also said Adam was a "macho man" and he was afraid of telling Adam about being married to Elisa. (My eyes are crossed from staring at the strange piercings. What is that all about?)  He also states he didn't see any abuse of Zahra, but says he wrote a letter to Child Protection Services to complain about the abuse. I wonder what the real breakup between AY and Alisa back in February was about.

 He kept saying he hadn't see Zahra since February. Was it over the letter? He was seeing the abuse all along. So why did he write the letter then? He said he would see Elisa and Adam out and about after that and would speak, but he never saw Zahra with them.

Why is everyone protecting Adam? Even his husband-in-law!  ::MonkeyMad::

I don't know Fanny.  I was shocked when AY said he thought IMVU was only a place to chat in and did not know all that other stuff was going on   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I can only imagine how very proud Home Depot and Tony Stewart are to know that AY is wearing their pit crew ball cap during these interviews.
Tony is a strong advocate for children and donates money and time to the Victory Junction Gang and other Children Charities.
Infuriating

Hi Monkeys, the thing that struck me about that interview with AY was his voice and how softly spoken he was.  Also when people talk the cadence of their voice normally rises up and down, with AY his cadence is flat, calm and emotionless and it also struck me that AB speaks the same way, softly, calmly and with no emotion, remember the 911 call.  Is this a "type" that EB goes for in her men or do they turn out that way after living with her?  It's weird, IMO of course. ::MonkeyWink::

I have been afraid to go there and even look. But if you are into the fantasy life, it would seem you would know about something like that too if you were interested enough to join. What did he do? Go in there and dress in stockings and a boa and chat? (I really don't know where that came from. I'm trying real hard not to get mad.) I don't think there was a single normal person in Zahra's life. The whole fam damily is nuts and weird!

She probably scared the emotion out of them. She scares me just to see her picture. She must have sucked Adam's brains out of his head. He acts like he's had a lobotomy.

http://charlotte.news14.com/content/top_stories/635567/elisa-baker-s-ex-denies-role-in-zahra-s-death

So, Elisa is a serial bigamist?
She married him in 1998 and didn't get divorced until 1999 from her prior husband?

I have no words (that are printable) for these monsters.

But she not a felon. With all her past crap, she is still not a felon.   ::MonkeyMad::

She will be (eventually..if these SA's get their acts together, evah)

Yeah, and Adam Baker married Elisa Baker so he must have thought she was a sweetheart; shows how much he knows!

She's a succubus!  She woos these brain dead doofs and then takes em for all the disability checks she can get her fat grubby hands on.  ::piggy::

LOL @ husband-in-law!!!

My oops ... I meant to say that AY married EB...   It's odd how now AY seems to be implying that EB is perfectly capable of doing everything on her own, and not to believe the weak-woman persona she put on.  I wonder if he's doing it because he didn't have a part of it and a) just hates her, b) really believes it, c) knows more about what she's into than he's letting on... or if he DID have part in it and is trying to deflect the attention from his role.  I wonder if she has seen the interview, and what her reaction to it would be.

I also noted that he admits he saw the emotional abuse... accidentally admits, that is.  Then he has to do some fancy dance steps to say that of *course* he never saw any of the physical.  Even though he saw bruises, and knew she was emotionally abusing the child.

I don't know if any of y'all ever had abusive situations, but from my experience I got over the physical stuff rather easily; it's the mental stuff, particularly when you're not grown yet (and even if you are) that really messes you up .... to a certain point.  Obviously they're both totally unacceptable, but that's the point - they're BOTH unacceptable and a lot of people let the mental go on, didn't they?

Actually, I think Elisa looks big enough, bad enough, and mean enough to do this by herself. I have no doubt about that. But I don't think she did. Adam would have to be catatonic not to know, see, and smell what happened. He lived, slept, bathed (maybe), went to the toilet, played on the computer, and ate in the same place all this took place. He lied about when he last saw Zahra, and had to know that was Elisa's writing on the ransom note.  Naw! Elisa had help, and I think it is obvious who did helped. Did others know about it? You betcha'. MOO

Oh, I agree with every word you typed, Fanny!

Yes indeedy.

 ::rhino::

I agree; I think she looks as weak as a bulldozer!  I do not, however, believe that she would be able to handle the chainsaws, and the outdoor equipment as well without Adam's help.  I think it is pretty obvious that he not only knew but helped.  I feel this particularly if her death date was Sept 24, and we really have no reason to believe that Elisa was making that date up - except if she did it to implicate Adam along with herself.  But I doubt it. 

I am really frustrated that Adam isn't in jail, at least awaiting his day in court for this.  Mr. Nice Guy (to AY, whose judgement I think is highly suspect) was implicated as being just as threatening, just as dangerous, as ELisa by her daughter.  If he weren't involved actively in the threats to EB's daughter, why would she have implicated him if he's such a great guy?  She wouldn't have; she would have let it all be on her mom.  But she did, and I think that means that whatever the true level of threat there was, he was completely involved.

I watch the interview about Zahra - the only time I see any evidence of what looks like truly being sad about anything (and I'm not talking about that little snuffling crap at the end of the interview where he turns to the detective) is when he gets choked up about not having had contact with his wife.  I think that he really did get taken in by her, even if in a non-healthy codependent someone-finally-wants-me-way, enough so to have done just about anything she said - particularly if it meant covering up for the death of his daughter because he would get in trouble for it.

Spot on!   

Not, just too much bs.
But the briefcase intrigues me. I want fingerprints of AB and EB on it. I reaaly think this could be a biggie. I did see part of AY on Y-Tube last nite His demeanor is not what I expected at all. Seems ( maybe I was drunk, lol  ? ) harmless and maybe he is just misguided. 

Readers digest version.

There was a poster on HM that presented themselves as a male and had the nick of Dick Tracy a supporter of Adam.  Got banned for attacking Emily.  Pops up on FB.  Someone there sleuthed them and found out that it was actually a woman, (not with 9 " twins TG!) but she is a lawyer (not on this case) who has been on boards floating theories for a book she is writing about the case calling it research.  She even supposedly asked one of the posters in Australia to go get Emily's custody papers and send them to her in the US.  Now she has outted herself, admitted the whole male alter ego and is righteous about anyone who chides her for what she did as her rights were harmed when she was outted as she started getting calls all hours of the night and if people get mad they should be mad at the person who outted her in the first place.  She stated something to the effect of  if you liked her posts as a male what difference is it if she is really a female. 

Why do these cases bring out these kinds  ::MonkeyNoNo::   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I am hoping all her nonsense does not delay the arrest of anyone as she has popped up as a speaking head on one of the newscasts about the Zahra case.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Do you know which newscasts she was on?

he/she is on this one starting at 00:42

http://charlotte.news14.com/content/top_stories/635510/stepmother-of-zahra-baker-faces-bigamy-charge

Self correct: starts at 00:30 on this video

I saw that. They didn't even explain why she was on there. It just said she was an author. Where do these creatures come from?

I remember Dick Tracey, the one on the Hink. Knew there had been a banning, but didn't know for what. The Hink didn't like EB being attacked.
........
BTW Fanny, your AB /AY husbands-in law cracked me up and we has a laff about it .

Stuff just pops out of my mouth sometimes. I guess that is no surprise to anybody. ::MonkeyRoll::

Always a *good* surprise!  :)

Ditto

:roll: Bigamy .... :roll: That should be the least of anyone's worries!! Where are the murder charges????

Chat House Cares WCNC reporting - Elisa bigamy charge cont to March 7. Adam's bad check charges cont til April 29.

http://www.facebook.com/?sk=h#!/pages/Chat-House-Cares/421452420149


NEWTON, NC (WBTV) – The father and step-mother of Zahra Baker were both scheduled to face a judge Friday morning but their cases were continued to a future date.

http://hickory.wbtv.com/content/blanket-found-week-possibly-related-zahra-case


All I have to say is...That's crap!

Adam will be out on the town till after Easter. It blisters my chaps to think this is happening. We want dangerous people to be in jail, not traipsing around Hickory or anywhere else. By the time he goes to court, he could find another wife and be married again. A man like him needs a woman to boss him around. If Mama Baker leaves him alone, he will have to have someone. If I find out he is smoozing at happy hour at a bar somewhere, I will probably have a meltdown.  :2ukli:

NC girl's stepmother to be arraigned on new charge

NEWTON, N.C. (AP) - The stepmother of a disabled girl who died under mysterious circumstances is set to be arraigned in a North Carolina jail on charges of being married to more than one man.
      The Catawba County district attorney's office says 42-year-old Elisa Baker will be arraigned Friday in the jail where she's being held on charges of obstructing justice in the investigation of her stepdaughter's death.
      Prosecutors say she married the father of 10-year-old Zahra Baker while still married to another man. Zahra was reported missing in October, and police later found her remains. No one has been charged in her death.
      Adam Baker is free on bond while facing unrelated charges. He had a scheduled court appearance in Newton on Friday, but it was postponed until April.

http://www2.wnct.com/news/2011/jan/21/3/bigamy-court-date-planned-nc-girls-stepmother-ar-713257/

Elisa Baker facing yet another charge while sitting in jail

NEWTON, NC (WBTV) - The stepmother of a dead Hickory girl is now facing even more charges as she sits in the Catawba County Jail.

Elisa Baker, who lead authorities to the dismembered body of 10-year-old Zahra Baker, was hit with another worthless check charge this week.

Related: Follow the entire Zahra Baker case

Elisa Baker, 42, is in the Catawba County Jail on several worthless check charges and on a charge for obstruction of justice, for allegedly writing a fake ransom note when Zahra went missing in early October, police have said.

The latest worthless check charge – from Catawba County – is now added to the other 6 "simple worthless check" charges against Baker.

This was an active week in the Zahra Baker case: Eliza Baker was already indicted this week for bigamy after police said she was not divorced from a man before being married to Zahra's father, Adam Baker is the summer of 2008. (Read the story about the bigamy indictment)

Also, a briefcase was found in woods near where parts of Zahra's body was found, which contains a blanket that might have blood on it. (Read the story about the briefcase)

This week's worthless check charge has a $500 bond, which now brings the total bond for Elisa Baker in the Catawba County Jail to $96,700.

No one has been charged in the death of Zahra, but Elisa Baker did tell authorities that her blood, bones and bodily fluid could be found in the pipes of the Hickory house, according to warrants.

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13884076

NC girl's stepmother to be arraigned on new charge


NEWTON, N.C. -- The stepmother of a disabled girl who died under mysterious circumstances is set to be arraigned in a North Carolina jail on charges of being married to more than one man.

The Catawba County district attorney's office says 42-year-old Elisa Baker will be arraigned Friday in the jail where she's being held on charges of obstructing justice in the investigation of her stepdaughter's death.

Prosecutors say she married the father of 10-year-old Zahra Baker while still married to another man. Zahra was reported missing in October, and police later found her remains. No one has been charged in her death.


Adam Baker is free on bond while facing unrelated charges. He had a scheduled court appearance in Newton on Friday, but it was postponed until April.

http://www.newsobserver.com/2011/01/21/934762/bigamy-court-date-planned-for.html

Work begins on Zahra memorial  (with video)

CALDWELL COUNTY,NC  (WBTV) – Ground was broken Thursday for a permanent memorial to Zahra Baker, the ten year old girl who was reported missing from Hickory in October, then found dismembered in Caldwell County.

A makeshift memorial has been at the spot on Christie Road in Caldwell County ever since the victim's prosthetic leg and a bone were found nearby.

"This concrete memorial will be something for people to visit for a long time, " said landowner Jake Icenhour.

"It will be here as long as I'm alive, I can assure you of that."

Icenhour and several others were building forms for the concrete that will be poured at the site in the next week or two.

Christie Road was the site of several searches last fall as Hickory Police looked for evidence in the case.

A logging crew at the site found a briefcase Tuesday morning with what may be a bloodstained blanket inside.

Icenhour opened the briefcase and then called authorities. "It appeared to be a moldy, blood stained blanket or cloth or some type of clothing," he said.

Bob Hudson heads up the logging company at the site and said his people are on the lookout for anything else.

"If we see something we will call authorities," he said.

The briefcase will be sent to the State Bureau of Investigations lab in Raleigh for analysis.

Police are not sure if the briefcase or its contents are connected to the Zahra Baker case but say they will follow up all possible leads that they get.

No one has been charged in Zahra Baker's death.

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13880695

Bigamy court date for Elisa Baker continued

NEWTON, N.C. (AP) -- An arraignment hearing for Elisa Baker on bigamy charges has been continued until March.

Baker, the stepmother of Zahra Baker, who died under mysterious circumstances, was scheduled to be arraigned Friday on charges of being married to more than one man at the same time.

A district court judge in Newton continued the case until March 7.

The 42-year-old Baker is currently jailed on charges of obstructing the investigation into her stepdaughter's disappearance last fall.

Zahra Baker was reported missing in October. Police later found some of her remains, including the prosthetic leg she used after an amputation resulting from bone cancer.

Also on Friday, Zahra's father, Adam Baker, was scheduled for an appearance in a separate Newton courtroom on charges of writing bad checks. That hearing was continued to April 29.

No one has been charged in Zahra's death.

http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Bigamy-court-date-planned-for-Elisa-Baker-114357619.html

Man says he feared Zahra was abused

HICKORY, N.C. – The ex-husband of Zahra Baker’s stepmother says he suspected the 10-year-old was being abused and reported it to Social Services last February.

Aaron Young was married to Elisa Baker before she married Adam Baker, Zahra’s father.

"I didn't see physical abuse firsthand,” Young said. “I seen some bruises on her and she would basically say the same thing Elisa said. She'd fall, she tripped and fell into the sink one time. I guess people just believed it because Zahra was telling the same thing that Elisa was and Zahra loved Elisa like her own mother.”

Young says he was married to Elisa Baker for ten years. Prosecutors say she was still married to Young when she married Adam Baker. Elisa Baker was indicted on bigamy charges earlier this week.

Zahra Baker was reported missing on Oct, 9, 2010. Her remains and a prosthetic leg she used after battling cancer were found scattered among several locations in Caldwell County.

Elisa Baker is currently in jail, charged with writing a fake ransom note when Zahra was first reported missing.

According to search warrants, Elisa Baker told police that Zahra died on Sept. 24 and that Adam Baker dismembered her body and hid parts of it throughout Caldwell County.

A search of phone records indicates Elisa Baker's cell phone was used in the areas where body parts were found but the phone records for Adam Baker indicate he was not present.

No one has been charged in connection with Zahra Baker’s death.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/01/20/1995556/man-says-he-feared-zahra-was-abused.html

Why do these hearing always get continued and postponed? Not that it matters, Elisa is still in jail. But Adam's has been postponed too! And he can just slither around free! (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/slithering_snake.gif)

Elisa Baker arraigned on bigamy charges

HICKORY --
Elisa Baker was arraigned Friday on one count of felony bigamy charges. Court officials served the indictment to her in jail late Friday morning.

Baker, 42, is accused of still being married to her previous husband, Aaron Young, when she married Adam Baker in December 2008. She was indicted on one count of bigamy on Tuesday.

According to court documents, Young got a divorce from Elisa on Aug. 21, 2009 — several months after her wedding in Australia to Adam. In the divorce filing, Young used Elisa’s new last name of Baker in the filing. Young initially filed for divorce from Elisa on June 28, 2009. They filed for divorce because they had not lived together as man and wife since May 29, 2008, according to documents.

Elisa was given an additional $10,000 secured bond for the bigamy charge Friday, bringing her total bond amount to $107,700.

Elisa Baker is the stepmother of Zahra Baker, the 10-year-old Australian child who was first reported missing in October. Police determined she’d been killed and dismembered. Investigators have found a lot of evidence in the case, but no one has been charged yet in Zahra’s death. Elisa has been indicted on one count of obstruction of justice for writing a false ransom note to throw police off the case.

Young’s name has come up in the search warrants. Police wanted information from his cell phone pertaining to calls, texts and GPS locations from Sept. 1 through Oct. 11, hoping it would help with their investigation. They also got information from his IMVU social networking account, because a source told them that he, and either Elisa or Adam blogged with someone else in this virtual world about “doing a murder with chainsaws.”

On Friday, Zahra’s father, Adam Baker, was scheduled to appear in court on four counts of worthless check charges. The checks were used at area grocery stores and were written for a combined total of $244.10.

Neither Baker, nor his attorney Mark Killian, appeared at the courthouse. Killian had requested a continuance.

Baker’s new court date is April 29. Elisa’s next court date is March 7.

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/jan/21/elisa-baker-arraigned-bigamy-charges-ar-714077/

Web of marriages could impact testimony in Baker case  (with video)

CHARLOTTE – Elisa Baker is expected to be arraigned on bigamy charges Friday in Catawba County. Court documents show she married Adam Baker, the father of Zahra Baker, before being legally divorced from Aaron Young but the legitimacy of that marriage is also in question.

News 14 Carolina learned that four of Elisa Baker's seven marriages overlapped and only those the took place while she was legally divorced are legitimate marriages. Young says he and Elisa Baker were married when she married Adam Baker but said he recently learned she was married to someone else when she married him in 1998.

If her marriage to Young is deemed null and void, it is possible her marriage to Baker would then be legal, and spousal privilege says Adam Baker would not have to testify against her in court.

“The witness spouse is competent to testify against their defendant spouse if they choose but they can't be compelled to do so if they don't want to, which is consistent with idea of the idea of preserving the harmony of the marriage,” said professor Sheryl Buske, of the Charlotte School of Law.

If their marriage is not legal, Adam and Elisa Baker could be forced to testify against one another.

Buske says there are exceptions to spousal privilege, for instance, when a child is injured.

http://charlotte.news14.com/content/top_stories/635645/web-of-marriages-could-impact-testimony-in-baker-case

Would that be For instance,when a child is murdered and dismembered?

Elisa Baker hit with 2 more charges; bond now above $100k

NEWTON, NC (WBTV) - The stepmother of a dead Hickory girl is now facing even more charges as she sits in the Catawba County Jail.

Elisa Baker, who lead authorities to the dismembered body of 10-year-old Zahra Baker, was hit with another worthless check charge this week. Also, on Friday, she was served with a bigamy indictment while she was in her jail cell Friday morning.

Elisa Baker, 42, is in the Catawba County Jail on several worthless check charges and on a charge for obstruction of justice, for allegedly writing a fake ransom note when Zahra went missing in early October, police have said.

She was scheduled to appear in court on Friday, but instead had the bigamy charge served to her while she was in jail and $10,000 more added to her bond.

The latest worthless check charge – from Catawba County – is now also added to the other 6 "simple worthless check" charges against Baker.

This was an active week in the Zahra Baker case: Eliza Baker was already indicted this week for bigamy after police said she was not divorced from a man before being married to Zahra's father, Adam Baker is the summer of 2008. (Read the story about the bigamy indictment)

Also, a briefcase was found in woods near where parts of Zahra's body was found, which contains a blanket that might have blood on it. (Read the story about the briefcase)

This week's worthless check charge has a $500 bond, which now brings the total bond for Elisa Baker in the Catawba County Jail to $107,700.


MORE...

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13884076

We can only hope.

Blanket found this week possibly related to Zahra case

http://hickory.wbtv.com/content/blanket-found-week-possibly-related-zahra-case

Yeah, it would not have mattered whether Elisa and Adam were legally married anyway. Since a child is involved.

That's how I understand it.

News 14 Carolina learned that four of Elisa Baker's seven marriages overlapped and only those the took place while she was legally divorced are legitimate marriages.
...
More husbands-in-laws. lol

...serial bigamist.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

They should have a husband-in-law reunion and compare notes.  I'll bet there isn't a whole brain if you put all seven of them together. ::MonkeyRoll::

News 14 Carolina learned that four of Elisa Baker's seven marriages overlapped and only those the took place while she was legally divorced are legitimate marriages. Young says he and Elisa Baker were married when she married Adam Baker but said he recently learned she was married to someone else when she married him in 1998.
http://charlotte.news14.com/content/top_stories/635645/web-of-marriages-could-impact-testimony-in-baker-case

So who was she married to in 1998? And it sounds like she was not married to AYoung legally if she was still married to someone else in 1998 when they "married."

What a tangled web.

Just like all of her lies.

 ::MonkeyEek::

In one of the previous threads I did a marriage and divorce by date post with all the marriages we could find.  I don't have time to search for it but there were several instances where she had multiple husbands dooped. 

This is all so unbelieveable !
A bigamist ??
What's next ?
Will we learn that she is a "closet" serial murderer ?

I cannot even think of an appropriate punishment for her.

My gosh!

I think I'm just more shocked that seven people would actually MARRY that horrible creature!!!!

Little Zahra, with your big heart, I am still waiting for the justice that should be yours.  You are not forgotten!

Thank you for that lovely picture, Brandi.  You know, that picture of Zahra was my favorite at the start.  I don't know if you see in the full picture, but she has a cute little thing going on around her prosthetic leg - sort of decorative going with her outfit.  The otufit is kind of a little gothy, in a cute kid way, and I thought "wow - I'd give anything to have a kid like that, except I'd probably hug the stuffing out of her too hard!"  I mean seriously - look at that face beaming and try to keep your arms from forming a big ol' come-here-and-give-us-a-hug motion!  It's just not possible.

I can't believe anyone could ever .....  I can't even finish what I'm typing.  :(

Here is the original to which I believe you are referring:

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I agree, she was a ray of sunshine in her short life.

Yes ma'am, that's the one.  :)  She's just cute as a bug.

What about the man sent Elisa $10,000? Did all ex husbands are from other countries? maybe she was getting married with people from outside for $ and greencards....who knows....that woman is disgusting anyway....

Very good thought CECILITA! Seven husbands could just be the tip of the iceberg.

Baker's first marriage was in 1985 to Jerry Alan Winkler in Caldwell County.  In 1997, she was married to Jeffrey Russell Allred in Caldwell County.

Her third marriage was to Adam Baker, whom she met online.  They were married about two years ago.
http://morganton.wbtv.com/content/who-elisa-baker

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Then she "married" Adam.

So far, from this info, she was probably married to Allred when she "married" Young.

I read her marriage to Winkler was annulled.

So I only see one possibly valid marriage. To Allred. Wonder if she ever got divorced from him.

What a mess. Guess all this will come out in the bigamy trial.

Just shows what an irresponsible, conniving individual she is.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I don't like to use the word hate but I absolutely HATE this woman.  Have we heard anything about her Mother?  Would love to know more about this piece of trash from birth to first marriage.  Was she always this evil, etc.?

It's very very difficult to get a green card based on marriage.  Unfortunately, I might have been a victim of that.  I was married to an Englishman and we were trying to get his green card.  They really do a lot of investigation, even requiring that you could prove that you've consummated the marriage if they require you to.  (I nearly died when I read THAT question on the forms!!)  It is even more difficult if the person entering the country overstayed their visa waiver, as my ex-husband did.  (We didn't do our research - thought that if we can go there 6 months, they can come here 6 months - but a visitor/business waiver is only 3 months).  It was nearly impossible to get him back into the country much less his green-card for permanent residency.  Adam will be facing all of the same (before this incident) minus being out of the country and unable to get back in. 

But you know, I've not forgotten the $10k bit - a man from England, or London if I recall the rumors correctly.  I wonder if they ever found anything out about that through Elisa's bank records.  I had a very sick feeling about that - missing little girl, lots of internet access, a guy paying her money for something.... and that was before Zahra was found, much less after with the sexual assault allegations and whatnot.

I'm sorry, but I feel that Elisa's character is SO depraved that I could imagine her selling - anything of Zahra for drug money.  Pictures, or worse.  I doubt that someone overseas would send money just for a crush, not that much money, not even for sexy-talk.  You'd want something, and pictures of Elisa I'm SURE wouldn't be worth that much.  I hate where I'm going with this..... I feel sick now.  :(

Erm, I read my own first paragraph and want to clarify about being a victim.... I meant that I suspect that I was a victim of someone else wanting to get their green card.  I don't know for sure, as I married and wanted my husband here for the traditional reasons - I was stupidly in love and thought we were going to live happily ever after. lol  I just realized that the "researching" and whatnot kind of read like we were both trying to pull something over on INS.  If pulling was going on, it was all him.  :P   Im such a dork - I don't know why I even feel I had to explain that. 

I am with you on the "hate" part. There are some things in this world that my mind refuses to wrap around and digest and the only option I have is to then direct my emotions towards it. Hate is all I can do to get past this case and yes I hate that woman.
Starwynn where you are going with your thoughts about the man in England is more than I can bear.
Sadly, I hope hateful things for her and her associates.

Elisa used a picture of one of her young adult daughters for her profile pic on the web to lure men in....seems like children, her own and anybody else's were just a means to end for her. I don't think Elisa has any moral consciousness, among other things. ::MonkeyTongue::

I an NO expert in mental health issues, but IMO,
I feel that among many things, Elisa is a sociopath, with a severe personality disorder.

Makes her OWN rules, ignores the laws, and has NO conscience ! ::MonkeyMad::

...and up until the time Zahra was reported missing, Elisa had pretty much gotten away with all her antics, missing court appearances, using aliases, moving around, never paying any consequences as far as I can see.

She is right where she belongs. Well, until the fires in hell get stoked.

JMO.

BBM

 ::rhino::

Knowing how her mind works, she is probably working on setting up another patsy, even from jail. All these creeps get letters from admirers. Horrible as she is, she is probably getting her share too. What an awful thought.  (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/16.gif)

lol..that was exactly what my post was going to be! almost exact words~

(condensed a bit)

Of course she is.  She wasn't even sure her marriage was over, and already she was chatting up at least one guy - who ended up being the owner of that serial-murder-website guy.  If you read her letter, it reads just like any one of THAT type of woman who talks about how they have been betrayed by their guy SO badly (nevermind what she did to his daughter) and is fawning and asking all about him, like she's interested.  /gagreflexkicksin  Bet she was shocked when she learned she had been used.

I'm so anxious to see justice begin for Zahra! What happened to this child is so horrendous it's unimaginable. Right now we have a better picture of what Elisa put her through, but there's no way all that went on without Adam knowing, so I figure that if he knew and didn't protect Zahra, then he probably piled on as well.

I'm more than ready for Adam to be behind bars and for them both to feel a little taste of the fear and pain they caused sweet Zahra.

Lake Erie - I'm no expert on mental health issues, but IMO, the following description fits:


Psychopath – Elisa is a psychopath.

(snip)  “…the term used for a personality disorder characterized by an abnormal lack of empathy combined with strongly amoral conduct but masked by an ability to appear outwardly normal.”   (snip)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy

This is interesting, too:

http://www.cassiopaea.com/cassiopaea/psychopath.htm

Brandi - here, here!

 /sigh   Why am I *not* reading on here today that Adam has been arrested?

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13907414
Death certificate lists Zahra's cause of death as 'pending'
January 25, 2011

HICKORY, NC (WBTV) - A death certificate for Zahra Baker has been filed with the Catawba County Register of Deeds office.

The certificate sets the date of death on October 26, the date remains were found in Caldwell County. The remains of the 10-year-old girl have been found in at least two different places and her stepmother has said that the girl was dismembered after she died, according to search warrants.
The cause of death on the certificate is listed as "Pending." There is a notation that an autopsy was conducted at the state medical examiner's office and that the remains are still there.

It is not unusual, say authorities, for cause of death to be listed as "Pending" if the medical examiner is still awaiting more test results or information from investigators. Authorities would not comment whether that was the case.

The date of death can also be changed depending on test results and information obtained through an investigation.

In search warrants released earlier this month, Elisa Baker was quoted as telling police Zahra died on September 24. In other search warrants, Elisa Baker also said that Zahra's bones, blood and bodily fluids could be found in pipes at the family's home.

Elisa Baker, 42, is in the Catawba County Jail on several worthless check charges and on a charge for obstruction of justice, for allegedly writing a fake ransom note when Zahra went missing in early October, police have said.

She was scheduled to appear in court last Friday, but instead had the bigamy charge served to her while she was in jail and $10,000 more added to her bond.

The latest worthless check charge – from Catawba County – is now also added to the other 6 "simple worthless check" charges against Baker.

Last week was an active week in the Zahra Baker case: Eliza Baker was already indicted this week for bigamy after police said she was not divorced from a man before being married to Zahra's father, Adam Baker is the summer of 2008. (Read the story about the bigamy indictment)

Also, a briefcase was found in woods near where parts of Zahra's body was found, which contains a blanket that might have blood on it. (Read the story about the briefcase)

This week's worthless check charge has a $500 bond, which now brings the total bond for Elisa Baker in the Catawba County Jail to $107,700.

No one has been charged in the death of Zahra, but Elisa Baker did tell authorities that her blood, bones and bodily fluid could be found in the pipes of the Hickory house, according to warrants.

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/jan/25/zahras-death-certificate-offers-few-answers-ar-725128/
Zahra's death certificate offers few answers
No cause of death, no time of death
January 25, 2011

Hickory --

Zahra Baker’s death certificate was filed with the Catawba County Register of Deeds office Tuesday.

The most telling part of the document might be what it doesn’t say.

Under cause of death, the medical examiner wrote one word: “Pending.”

The document fails to shed much light on the mystery surrounding the 10-year-old girl’s death and dismemberment.

The death certificate lists the manner of death as “Pending.” Time of death: “Unknown.”

The Medical Examiner’s Certificate of Death states that an autopsy was performed but the findings were not available prior to the completion of the death certificate.

Zahra’s remains were temporarily held at the Office of the County Medical Examiner and are currently being held in Chapel Hill.

Physician’s Assistant Franklin E. Pippen, a medical examiner employed by Piedmont Pathology, is listed as the person who competed the cause of death determination following Zahra’s autopsy.

Zahra’s date of death is listed as Oct. 26, the day Hickory police found a bone matching Zahra’s DNA in the brush off Christie Road in Caldwell County along with her prosthetic leg.

She likely died on Sept. 24, and her body disposed of the following day, according to search warrants. She was not reported missing until about two weeks later.

Zahra’s father, Adam Baker, was arrested on several charges unrelated to the case, but is out of jail on bond. Her stepmother, Elisa Baker, also has been arrested on several other charges unrelated to Zahra’s disappearance in addition to a charge of obstruction of justice that followed her admission that she wrote a fake ransom note demanding $1 million, according to Hickory police.

Elisa maintains that Adam dismembered Zahra’s limbs and they disposed of them in several locations in Caldwell County, according to the search warrants. Cell phone GPS records indicate that Elisa’s phone, not Adam’s, was in the areas where Zahra’s remains were found.

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Cell phone GPS records indicate that Elisa’s phone, not Adam’s, was in the areas where Zahra’s remains were found.

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This statement always makes me think they believe when you own a cell phone it is sewn to your ear and can't be removed. It isn't like Adam couldn't have picked up Elisa's phone for the trip to make the disposals or he just didn't take his own along. Elisa was probably there with him at any rate. What does this prove, anyway? If it is said enough it must be true? Puhleeze!

I know  what you mean Fanny Mae.  But I'm wondering if perhaps Adam's cell phone was used/in use at a different location during the  same time Elisa's phone was being used in the area where the disposals were made?  Maybe there's calls from Elisa's phone (at disposal locations) made to Adam's phone somewhere else?  Or maybe there's calls from Adam's phone to someone else somewhere else?   :smt102 That's all I can think of.  And I think just because a phone is used from somewhere doesn't necessarily mean the person that owns it is at that location at that time using said phone. 

Sweet little Zahra, not to worry !
Justice is coming your way.

A PERFECT conviction takes time, lots of time...I think ! ::HelloKitty::

 ::rhino:: ::rhino::

If any of you are fans of Eyes for Lies (I'm not)

http://blog.eyesforlies.com/2011/01/elisa-bakers-ex-husband-aaron-young.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+EyesForLies+%28Eyes+for+Lies+Blog%29&utm_content=Twitter

 Elisa Baker's Ex-Husband: Aaron Young
  by Eyes at 11:50 AM

Aaron Young, Elisa Baker's ex-husband of 10 years, speaks out about Zahra's death in an exclusive interview with News 14 Carolina.  In this interview, Young talks about several things that I am confident he is being honest about.  He tells us that Elisa was jealous of the attention that Zahra would get.  He also tells us that Adam, Zahra's biological father, was a good guy and that he would do anything for anybody.  I believe these are absolutely true.

Last he tells us that he thinks Elisa is capable of doing this horrible act by herself, which I believe Aaron truly believes.  From what I see of Adam Baker myself, he was the typical nice guy, though nice guys do get caught up in the spells of psychopaths, unfortunately.

I do not think that Aaron Young was involved in killing Zahra Baker.  I believe him here.  I was confused when he said in the first video that he has had nothing to do with Elisa since February, but in the third video he said he took Zahra swimming with five other children in August, but I suspect he was with Adam and Zahra and not Elisa, but I would double check that if I could...just to be sure.