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Missing, Exploited and True Crime => Zahra Clare Baker - 10yrs old Hickory, NC (Body Found) => Topic started by: MuffyBee on November 27, 2010, 07:44:19 PM



Title: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 - 9/17/11
Post by: MuffyBee on November 27, 2010, 07:44:19 PM
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Zahra%20Baker%20%20-NC-/hand-Copy-1.jpg)


ZAHRA CLARE BAKER

Rest in Peace


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on January 05, 2011, 12:23:18 PM
Wow! I don't remember seeing that before Muffy! It's beautiful!  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 05, 2011, 12:24:25 PM
I agree. Thanks for the help in getting here!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 05, 2011, 12:51:40 PM
Wow! I don't remember seeing that before Muffy! It's beautiful!  ::MonkeyAngel::


sassi, it came from one of crankycrankerson's photo albums.  I thought it was lovely too and that's why I used it to head up this thread. 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: bananas on January 05, 2011, 01:45:23 PM
Oh what a beautiful picture.  I love the sky picture. 

Adam Baker needs to be behind bars along with gothmonster.  I hope it happens soon!

Justice is coming Zahra.....  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on January 05, 2011, 05:25:46 PM
Zahra Baker murder: Stepmum and dad involved in 'chainsaw massacre roleplay'

    * By Mitch Weiss
    * From: AP
    * January 05, 2011 10:20AM

    * Zahra died two weeks before cops told
    * Parents "discussed murder game online"
    * Stepmum's phone records in the spotlight

POLICE believe Zahra Baker's stepmother and father talked in an online community about a "chainsaw massacre role play", search warrants have revealed.

A stack of search warrants released today by a judge in North Carolina also show that Zahra's stepmother, Elisa Baker, confessed to police that Zahra had died more than two weeks before she and her husband reported her missing.

No one has been charged in the death of the 10-year-old Australian girl.

Zahra, who had a prosthetic leg and hearing aides after a struggle with bone cancer, lived in Newcastle, the Hunter Valley and Townsville before moving to Hickory, North Carolina, with her father, Adam, two years ago after he met his new wife on the internet.

While the warrants provide new details about the investigation, they don't reveal how Zahra might have died.

Elisa Baker is currently in jail on charges of obstructing justice during the investigation.

Her Australian husband, Adam Baker, is free on bond after being arrested on charges unrelated to his daughter.

The warrants shed light on some of the chronology of the disappearance of the little girl.

According to two warrants, Ms Baker told Hickory police on November 19 that Zahra died on September 24, more than two weeks before she was reported missing on October 9.

She also told police that her husband dismembered Zahra's body and that the couple disposed of her remains in several locations on September 25.

Police found the girl's remains based on information provided by Ms Baker, who accompanied them to some of the sites.

But the warrants go on to say that mobile phone records from September 24-25 show that Adam Baker wasn't in the places where Zahra's remains were dumped.

Mobile phone records do show that Ms Baker was in those places at those times, according to warrants.

Ms Baker's lawyers sought today to have her bond of nearly $US100,000 ($99,400) lowered, but a Superior Court judge in Newton postponed a hearing on the request until March 7.

Many of the documents unsealed today show that police and prosecutors sought Ms Baker's medical records from various local hospitals, and information from at least seven county social service agencies about prior investigations into whether Ms Baker had abused her three biological children.

Police also sought information from the Instant Messaging Virtual Universe IMVU website. The social networking and gaming site allows users to create three-dimensional avatars and communicate with each other.

According to a November 8 warrant, police were told an IMVU user had a conversation with the Bakers "regarding their involvement with chainsaw massacre roleplaying."

"The date of September 22 was given regarding their virtual family 'doing a murder with chainsaws'," according to the warrant, although it isn't clear from the document what "chainsaw massacre roleplaying" entailed.

The little girl's death provoked an outpouring of grief in North Carolina and Australia, including candlelight vigils on what would have been her 11th birthday in November.

The documents also reveal information about Ms Baker's ongoing relationship with her former husband, Aaron Young. Ms Baker was married to him before Mr Baker. The documents say Ms Baker told Mr Baker that Aaron Young was her brother.

Investigators said Ms Baker and Mr Young had been in contact even though they were estranged, and officers were trying to get his telephone records.

"Obtaining Aaron Young's telephone records or telephone number will likely provide information substantially related to this homicide investigation," according to the court documents.

But Christy Young, who says she is Aaron's wife, said he had had little contact with Ms Baker.

"I didn't know anything about this. What they're saying I don't think is right," she said.

She said her husband used to play IMVU, but that it was "harmless".

The case has generated numerous reports from Baker family members and friends that Ms Baker often beat Zahra and kept her locked in a bedroom for most of the day.

Ms Baker has been charged with obstructing justice for allegedly writing a ransom note demanding $1 million.

The note was found on a car at the family's home hours before Zahra was reported missing.


Read more: http://www.news.com.au/world/stepmum-told-cops-zahra-died-in-september/story-e6frfkyi-1225982270159#ixzz1ACb5imzt


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on January 05, 2011, 05:28:58 PM
Baker Stepmum showing cracks

Updated: 12:33, Wednesday January 5, 2011

US police investigating the death of Australian girl Zahra Baker have looked into reports her stepmother and father talked in an online community about a chainsaw massacre role play days before the girl may have died.

Search warrants released today show Adam and Elisa Baker discussed their avatars on a roleplaying site committing a chainsaw murder on September 22.

The warrants also show that Elisa Baker told police that Zahra died two days later and that Adam Baker dismembered her body and disposed of her remains the next day.

But it remains unclear exactly how Zahra died.

The stepmother of Zahra Baker has told police the Australian-born girl died more than two weeks before she and her husband reported her missing.

A stack of search warrants released on Tuesday also show that Zahra's stepmother Elisa Baker told police the girl died more than two weeks before she was reported missing.

No one has been charged in the death of the 10-year-old girl, who had a prosthetic leg and hearing aides after a struggle with bone cancer.

While the warrants released on Tuesday provide new details about the investigation, they don't reveal how Zahra might have died.

Elisa Baker is currently in jail on charges of obstructing justice during the investigation.

Her Australian husband, Adam Baker, is free on bond after being arrested on charges unrelated to his daughter.

The warrants shed light on some of the chronology of the disappearance of the little girl, which has riveted the North Carolina town of Hickory, where she lived with her father and American stepmother, and her native Australia.

According to two warrants, Elisa Baker told Hickory police in a November 19 interview that Zahra died on September 24, more than two weeks before she was reported missing on October 9.

Elisa Baker also told police that Adam Baker dismembered the girl's body and that the couple disposed of her remains in several locations on September 25.

Police found the girl's remains through information provided by Elisa Baker, who accompanied them to some of the sites.

But the warrants go on to say that mobile phone records from September 24-25 show that Adam Baker wasn't in the places where Zahra's remains were dumped.

Mobile phone records do show that Elisa Baker was in those places at those times, according to warrants.

Elisa Baker's lawyers sought on Tuesday to have her bond of nearly $US100,000 lowered, but a Superior Court judge in Newton postponed a hearing on the request until March 7.

Many of the documents unsealed on Tuesday show that police and prosecutors sought Elisa Baker's medical records from various local hospitals, and information from at least seven county social service agencies about prior investigations into whether Elisa Baker had abused her three biological children.

Police also sought information from the Instant Messaging Virtual Universe IMVU website. The social networking and gaming site allows users to create three-dimensional avatars and communicate with each other.

According to a November 8 warrant, police were told an IMVU user had a conversation with Adam Baker and Elisa Baker 'regarding their involvement with chainsaw massacre roleplaying.'

'The date of September 22 was given regarding their virtual family 'doing a murder with chainsaws',' according to the warrant, although it isn't clear from the document what 'chainsaw massacre roleplaying' entailed.

Adam Baker moved to North Carolina from Australia with his daughter after meeting Elisa online.

The little girl's death provoked an outpouring of grief in North Carolina and Australia, including candlelight vigils on what would have been her 11th birthday in November.

The documents also reveal information about Elisa Baker's ongoing relationship with her former husband, Aaron Young. Elisa Baker was married to him before Adam Baker. The documents say Elisa Baker told Adam Baker that Aaron Young was her brother.

Investigators said Elisa Baker and Aaron Young had been in contact even though they were estranged, and officers were trying to get his telephone records.

'Obtaining Aaron Young's telephone records or telephone number will likely provide information substantially related to this homicide investigation,' according to the court documents.

But Christy Young, who says she is Aaron's wife, said he had had little contact with Elisa Baker.

'I didn't know anything about this. What they're saying I don't think is right,' she told The Associated Press.

She said her husband used to play IMVU, but that it was 'harmless'.

http://www.skynews.com.au/world/article.aspx?id=560375&vId=2072857&cId=World&play=true


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: starwynn on January 05, 2011, 05:54:49 PM
(quoted from skynews article) "But Christy Young, who says she is Aaron's wife, said he had had little contact with Elisa Baker.

'I didn't know anything about this. What they're saying I don't think is right,' she told The Associated Press.

She said her husband used to play IMVU, but that it was 'harmless'.


Uh huh, you just keep telling yourself that.  :(


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Wyks on January 05, 2011, 06:21:57 PM
From the last thread:

Tol and Sass, thanks!   ::MonkeyKiss::  It's good to be back.  Am duct-taping myself into the chair.  lol 

 ::MonkeyJnBox::


........  Now if only we could have a perp walk in this case...



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Wyks on January 05, 2011, 06:24:50 PM

I just do NOT get why he is out and still walking around, a free man excuse-for-a-man.  WTH?? 

We demand justice for Zahra!! 

by golly gosh darn. 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: pfaubush on January 05, 2011, 07:25:17 PM
So, I've been going through all of the phone numbers in the warrants to see who they belong to. The one on the last pages of http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2011/0104/26368858.pdf (http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2011/0104/26368858.pdf) belongs to someone named Kevin Ferrari. Calls were made to him by both EB and AB. These are the sorts of people that they associated with. I can't wrap my mind around what may have happened in that poor girl's life before it was so tragically ended.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

First Name KEVIN Middle Name PAUL Last Name FERRARI
Primary Address N/A City N/A State N/A
ZIP Code N/A Phone Number N/A Date of Birth N/A
Race CAUCASIAN Height 70" Weight 185 LBS
Hair Color GRAY Offense Date 20060601 Court CATAWBA
Source State NC Offense 14-202.1 INDECENT LIBERTY W/CHILD  Disposition GUILTY
Gender MALE

3  FERRARI, KEVIN PAUL  N/A  14-202.1 INDECENT LIBERTY W/CHILD  20060601  NC   
First Name KEVIN Middle Name PAUL Last Name FERRARI
Primary Address N/A City N/A State N/A
ZIP Code N/A Phone Number N/A Date of Birth N/A
Race CAUCASIAN Height 70" Weight 185 LBS
Hair Color GRAY Offense Date 20060601 Court CATAWBA
Source State NC Offense 14-202.1 INDECENT LIBERTY W/CHILD  Disposition GUILTY
Gender MALE
 
10  FERRARI, KEVIN PAUL  19571113  14-202.1 CONVICT:INDECENT LIBERTIES WITH CHILD  20060601  NC   
First Name KEVIN Middle Name PAUL Last Name FERRARI
Primary Address N/A City CONOVER State NC
ZIP Code 28613 Phone Number N/A Date of Birth 19571113
Street 435 FAIRGROVE CH RD Race CAUCASIAN Offense Date 20060601
Source State NC Offense 14-202.1 CONVICT:INDECENT LIBERTIES WITH CHILD  Disposition JUDGE (TRIAL BY JUDGE OR GUILTY PLEA BEFORE JUDGE AT DISTRICT COURT LEVEL, GUILTY PLEA AT SUPERIOR C
Gender MALE  ::MonkeySlide::
 
11  FERRARI, KEVIN PAUL  19571113  14-202.1.A.1 INDECENT LIBERTY MINOR - SEX AROUSAL WITH A CHILD   NC   
First Name KEVIN Middle Name PAUL Last Name FERRARI
Primary Address N/A City CONOVER State NC
ZIP Code 28613 Phone Number N/A Date of Birth 19571113
Street 435 FAIRGROVE CH RD SE Race CAUCASIAN Height 69"
Weight 212 LBS Hair Color GRY Source State NC
Offense 14-202.1.A.1 INDECENT LIBERTY MINOR - SEX AROUSAL WITH A CHILD  Gender MALE
 
12  FERRARI, KEVIN PAUL  19571113  14-202.1.A.1 INDECENT LIBERTY MINOR - SEX AROUSAL WITH A CHILD   NC   
First Name KEVIN Middle Name PAUL Last Name FERRARI
Primary Address N/A City CONOVER State NC
ZIP Code 28613 Phone Number N/A Date of Birth 19571113
Street 435 FAIRGROVE CH RD SE Race CAUCASIAN Height 69"
Weight 212 LBS Hair Color GRY Source State NC
Offense 14-202.1.A.1 INDECENT LIBERTY MINOR - SEX AROUSAL WITH A CHILD  Gender MALE
 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: NCSunny on January 05, 2011, 07:27:29 PM
Don't know if this has been posted but I thought it was interesting. I try to follow the news where I used to live and found this...

Gaston County tie established in Zahra Baker homicide investigation.

http://www.gastongazette.com/news/zahra-54009-county-homicide.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 05, 2011, 07:29:25 PM
From the last thread:

Tol and Sass, thanks!   ::MonkeyKiss::  It's good to be back.  Am duct-taping myself into the chair.  lol 

 ::MonkeyJnBox::


........  Now if only we could have a perp walk in this case...



HI WYKES! (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/poppyflower.gif)

Yes, let's walk that perp..


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 05, 2011, 07:32:39 PM
Don't know if this has been posted but I thought it was interesting. I try to follow the news where I used to live and found this...

Gaston County tie established in Zahra Baker homicide investigation.

http://www.gastongazette.com/news/zahra-54009-county-homicide.html

I wonder if Adam & Elisa were playing the  "Chainsaw Massacre" game to practice for what they did.... ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 05, 2011, 07:37:30 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::   ::MonkeyEek::


Stepmother's aunt: NC girl died of natural causes



RALEIGH, N.C. -- A relative of Zahra Baker's stepmother says the woman told her the little girl died of natural causes before being dismembered.

Boncetta "Buzzie" Winkler of Hickory told The Associated Press Wednesday that she visited her niece, Elisa Baker, in jail this week. The meeting was first reported by WSOC-TV in Charlotte.

Winkler says she was told that 10-year-old Zahra had been sick for two weeks before she died. Winkler says Elisa Baker told her that she and her husband panicked and dismembered the girl, scattering her body parts in various locations.

No one has been charged in Zahra's death. Elisa Baker is in jail on charges of obstructing the investigation.

Calls to lawyers in the case weren't immediately returned late Wednesday.

http://www.newsobserver.com/2011/01/05/901804/stepmothers-aunt-nc-girl-died.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 05, 2011, 07:40:50 PM
Zahra is sick and they "panic" rather than taking her to a Dr., rather than taking her to a Hosp, rather than calling 911, a little girl who unfortunately was no stranger to harsh medical procedures and numerous appointments.  They "panic" for two flippin weeks she was sick and dismember her.

I call TOTAL BS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 :smt097  :smt071 :2brickwall: :smt071 :smt068


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: bananas on January 05, 2011, 07:42:50 PM
Don't know if this has been posted but I thought it was interesting. I try to follow the news where I used to live and found this...

Gaston County tie established in Zahra Baker homicide investigation.

http://www.gastongazette.com/news/zahra-54009-county-homicide.html

I wonder if Adam & Elisa were playing the  "Chainsaw Massacre" game to practice for what they did.... ::MonkeyNoNo::

It is infuriating.... I can't stand it!  I want Adam Baker behind bars where he belongs. 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 05, 2011, 07:44:49 PM
Reposting the newest warrants

PDF: Search Warrants In Zahra Case, Part 1 (Includes warrants regarding Elisa Baker’s medical records and Aaron Young’s phone records.)
http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2011/0104/26368797.pdf

• PDF: Search Warrants In Zahra Case, Part 2 (Includes warrants regarding Elisa Baker’s medical records, Department of Social Services records and Adam Baker’s phone records.)
http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2011/0104/26368823.pdf

• PDF: Search Warrants In Zahra Case, Part 3 (Includes warrants regarding Department of Social Services records and Elisa Baker’s medical records.)
http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2011/0104/26368824.pdf

• PDF: Search Warrants In Zahra Case, Part 4 (Includes warrants regarding Elisa Baker’s medical records.)
http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2011/0104/26368827.pdf

• PDF: Search Warrants In Zahra Case, Part 5 (Includes warrants regarding searches of the Bakers’ Hickory home and a claim that Adam Baker and Elisa Baker took part in "chainsaw massacre role-playing.")
http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2011/0104/26368831.pdf

• PDF: Search Warrants In Zahra Case, Part 6 (Includes warrants regarding Elisa Baker’s phone records and Department of Social Services records.)
http://www.wsoctv.com/download/2011/0104/26368858.pdf


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Curly on January 05, 2011, 07:45:33 PM
I call BS, too.
They must think everyone is as dim witted as they are.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 05, 2011, 07:48:05 PM
<snipped>
Elisa Baker’s aunt, Buzzie Winkler, said her niece told her Zahra Baker died after being sick. Elisa and Adam Baker didn't know what to do, Winkler said.

“She said (Zahra) had been sick about two weeks and then they went in and found her dead that night,” Winkler, who visited Elisa Baker in jail this week, said. “They didn't know what to do.”

Elisa Baker’s attorney, Scott Reilly, met with her in jail on Wednesday afternoon to discuss the unsealed warrants. Elisa Baker has been jailed over the course of the investigation, charged with obstruction of justice after police said she admitted to writing a fake ransom note on the day that Zahra was reported missing.

“Don't jump to any conclusion on the case,” Reilly told Channel 9. “Other than that, I don't have any comment.”

The unsealed documents show police and prosecutors sought records from a variety of wireless communication providers, including cell phone records for men Elisa Baker had been romantically involved with before marrying Adam Baker.

One of those men was Aaron Young, who was married to Elisa at some point. The documents say Elisa and Young remained close and that she told Adam that Young was her brother. One warrant says pictures on the Facebook pages maintained by both Elisa and Young showed him with Zahra Baker.

“Obtaining Aaron Young's telephone records or telephone number will likely provide information substantially related to this homicide investigation,” the court documents say.

Young was again mentioned, along with Adam and Elisa Baker, in a portion of the warrants that details investigators’ efforts to get records from the Instant Messaging Virtual Universe website. The social networking and gaming site allows users to create three-dimensional avatars and communicate with each other.

According to a Nov. 8 warrant, police were told that an IMVU user had a conversation with Adam Baker and Elisa Baker "regarding their involvement with chainsaw massacre role-playing" that included Young.

"The date of Sept. 22 was given regarding their virtual family 'doing a murder with chainsaws,"' the warrant says.

Some of the unsealed warrants also showed that police sought Elisa Baker's medical records from several local hospitals. They also wanted information from social service agencies including Caldwell, Gaston and Alexander counties about past allegations of abuse involving Elisa Baker and her three biological children dating as far back as 1999.

The documents also mention a report filed in July 2010 regarding allegations that Elisa Baker had been physically abusing Zahra Baker and had given her a black eye. The report was filed with the Caldwell County Department of Social Services and then transferred to the Catawba County DSS, the warrants say.

The documents also paint a clearer picture of what investigators collected from the Bakers’ home on 21st Avenue NW in Hickory. Warrants from October and November reveal that, in addition to cutting out parts of the wall and floor in the home, officers took cameras and more than a half-dozen cell phones during a search of the home. They also took more than 30 blood swabs, tissue and hair samples and removed hearing aid parts, crutches, latex gloves, a knife and a stun gun from the home.

Police declined to comment on the case and the unsealed warrants. A source told Channel 9 that only a summary of the case has been presented to the district attorney. The case involves thousands more pages of information that has not yet been given to prosecutors.

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/26366558/detail.html?cxntlid=cmg_cntnt_rss


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 05, 2011, 07:49:34 PM
Buzzie spewing the bullsnit

Elisa Baker's Aunt: Zahra Baker Died Naturally (video)

http://www.wsoctv.com/video/26379915/index.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 05, 2011, 07:52:38 PM
Buzzie is concerned gothmonster lost a lot of weight while in jail

Maybe the jail will find her dead one night and dismember her while they "panic"

More from Buzzie tonight and what gothmonster thinks of the DA.  I can not wait for that one. Someone please break out the valium kitty


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: NCSunny on January 05, 2011, 07:54:18 PM
Don't know if this has been posted but I thought it was interesting. I try to follow the news where I used to live and found this...

Gaston County tie established in Zahra Baker homicide investigation.

http://www.gastongazette.com/news/zahra-54009-county-homicide.html

I wonder if Adam & Elisa were playing the  "Chainsaw Massacre" game to practice for what they did.... ::MonkeyNoNo::

IDK, but I understand the need to get all nfo, evidence, facts together...but it seems like it is taking so long. Hope they are getting what they need to convict them both.

Zahra has been added to my list of children that haunt my thoughts...I think of them every day.  ::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: NCSunny on January 05, 2011, 08:02:23 PM
Don't know if this has been posted but I thought it was interesting. I try to follow the news where I used to live and found this...

Gaston County tie established in Zahra Baker homicide investigation.

http://www.gastongazette.com/news/zahra-54009-county-homicide.html

I wonder if Adam & Elisa were playing the  "Chainsaw Massacre" game to practice for what they did.... ::MonkeyNoNo::

It is infuriating.... I can't stand it!  I want Adam Baker behind bars where he belongs. 

Yes, it is. And it is hard to believe anyone would/could do this.  I had to take a break after all that came out, but now I am just plain MAD. I don't get it...what has happened to our world?

I am a big animal rights advocate, and some nights I cannot sleep thinking about an animal I saw during the day...then I caught the first NG about Caylee...I am now an insomniac.

Everyone tells me I can't save them all [critters] but I feel if I can save just one, I am making a difference.

Sorry for rambling...I am just so mad. Sorry



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: NCSunny on January 05, 2011, 08:05:13 PM
Buzzie is concerned gothmonster lost a lot of weight while in jail

Maybe the jail will find her dead one night and dismember her while they "panic"

More from Buzzie tonight and what gothmonster thinks of the DA.  I can not wait for that one. Someone please break out the valium kitty


 ::MonkeyTongue:: I think we will all need  a lot of vk before justice is served.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Curly on January 05, 2011, 08:20:57 PM
Buzzie is concerned gothmonster lost a lot of weight while in jail

Maybe the jail will find her dead one night and dismember her while they "panic"

More from Buzzie tonight and what gothmonster thinks of the DA.  I can not wait for that one. Someone please break out the valium kitty

Maybe she can bake her a nice peach pie like Aunt Bea used to do in The Andy Griffith Show.
Puhlease...What is wrong with these people? It's getting me nuts.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: cookie on January 05, 2011, 08:39:51 PM
who panics and dismembers their own child's body after she dies of natural causes???
crazy wackadoodles these 2! Adam...go directly to jail where you belong you scum bag.
Who could do that to their own child???? grrrrr ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 05, 2011, 08:48:35 PM
Nobody panicked. As hard as it is to think, I believe that witch dreamed about what she did to Zahra.

There's a special place waiting for Elisa, and the sooner she gets there the better, IMO.   ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: starwynn on January 05, 2011, 09:00:28 PM
::MonkeyNoNo::   ::MonkeyEek::


Stepmother's aunt: NC girl died of natural causes



RALEIGH, N.C. -- A relative of Zahra Baker's stepmother says the woman told her the little girl died of natural causes before being dismembered.

Boncetta "Buzzie" Winkler of Hickory told The Associated Press Wednesday that she visited her niece, Elisa Baker, in jail this week. The meeting was first reported by WSOC-TV in Charlotte.

Winkler says she was told that 10-year-old Zahra had been sick for two weeks before she died. Winkler says Elisa Baker told her that she and her husband panicked and dismembered the girl, scattering her body parts in various locations.

No one has been charged in Zahra's death. Elisa Baker is in jail on charges of obstructing the investigation.

Calls to lawyers in the case weren't immediately returned late Wednesday.

http://www.newsobserver.com/2011/01/05/901804/stepmothers-aunt-nc-girl-died.html

Come on now!  Does Buzzie WInkler REALLY think that a visit from Aunt Buzzie is going to soften up ol' Elisa Eliza Lisa (what's her name today?)'s heart enough to where she is going to really confess what happened?  Puh-freaking-lease.  I'm sorry, no offense meant to the sweet (?) lil' ol' lady from North Carolina, but maybe if she got a good view of what Elisa was like on IMVU, or her myspace, or all the 666 references, she'd realize that sweet little 'Liza is eLyingElisa and just to pray for the woman, but otherwise not believe a word that comes from her mouth.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 05, 2011, 09:06:02 PM
Relative: Disabled NC girl died of natural causes

RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) - A relative of Zahra Baker's stepmother said Wednesday that the jailed woman told her the 10-year-old girl died of an illness and that her parents "went wild," dismembering and hiding her remains.

Boncetta "Buzzie" Winkler, 76, told The Associated Press that she met this week with her niece, Elisa Baker, and talked about what happened to the freckle-faced Australian girl whose disappearance and death have riveted communities in North Carolina and her native country.

"She'd been sick two weeks before she died," Winkler said. "When they found her, I guess they didn't know what to do. They just went wild."

According to search warrants and other court documents unsealed this week, Elisa Baker has told police that Zahra died on Sept. 24, about two weeks before she was reported missing. Elisa Baker told police that the girl was dismembered after she died, and her remains scattered in various locations in western North Carolina.

No one has been charged in Zahra's death, and neither the hundreds of pages of court documents released so far nor statements from investigators have said how she died. Elisa Baker is currently in jail on charges of obstructing the investigation into Zahra's disappearance.

According to one warrant unsealed Tuesday, in a Nov. 19 interview with police in Hickory, Elisa Baker said her husband, Adam Baker, "dismembered Zahra Baker's limbs, and they disposed of them in various locations" after the girl died.

The warrant went on to say, though, that cell phone records indicate Adam Baker was not in the locations where Zahra's remains were found on the day Elisa Baker indicated, but that cell phone records showed she was present in those locations. Elisa Baker led police to the places where they found Zarha's remains, according to the documents.

The jailhouse meeting between the aunt and her niece was first reported by WSOC-TV.

"She's pretty upset, and she's lost a lot of weight," Winkler said of Elisa Baker.

Calls to Elisa Baker's lawyer were not immediately returned late Wednesday night.

Adam Baker is free on bond, facing numerous charges that are not related to his daughter.

Adam Baker moved to North Carolina with Zahra after meeting Elisa online. Zahra needed a prosthetic leg, having lost a limb to bone cancer. The chemotherapy she underwent also left her using two hearing aides.

The little girl was remembered by family friends as constantly smiling despite the hardship she endured, and her death shook the small town of Hickory, about 60 miles north of Charlotte. Hundreds of people attended a candlelight vigil there in November, on what would have been her 11th birthday

http://www.ktre.com/Global/story.asp?S=13790770


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 05, 2011, 09:21:03 PM
Aunt gives new details on how Zahra may have died (video on top right)


http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13774355


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 05, 2011, 09:21:14 PM
Her story about Zahra being sick, dying, and parents dimembering her is just way too far fetched. 

Let's see now.......

My child is sick........... do I take her to the doctor or do I do nothing?

I allow my child to get so sick she dies. Do I call 911 or grab a chainsaw?

My child's lifeless body is before me. Do I make preparations to lay her to rest with dignity or start dismembering her and transporting her body parts all over the county?

COME ON, ELISA! You aren't fooling anyone and the more you go down this ridiculous path, the more heinous you expose yourself to be! For you to throw this BS out there, what you did must really be something you never want anyone to know!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 05, 2011, 09:22:22 PM
Aunt gives new details on how Zahra may have died (video on top right)


http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13774355

In this video they say another search warrant was obtained yesterday.  Wonder what that was about? 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 05, 2011, 09:27:14 PM
Aunt gives new details on how Zahra may have died (video on top right)


http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13774355

In this video they say another search warrant was obtained yesterday.  Wonder what that was about? 

Hi NR! I noticed that too.  :smt102


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 05, 2011, 09:30:28 PM
Zahra is sick and they "panic" rather than taking her to a Dr., rather than taking her to a Hosp, rather than calling 911, a little girl who unfortunately was no stranger to harsh medical procedures and numerous appointments.  They "panic" for two flippin weeks she was sick and dismember her.

I call TOTAL BS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 :smt097  :smt071 :2brickwall: :smt071 :smt068

They may as well say Zanny the nanny took her. It is just as far fetched. Why would they dismember her because she died? They had something to cover up even if they didn't out right kill her. With no medical treatment in years, they may as well have killed her. I am sure she suffered greatly in their hands. Dying from neglect is as bad as putting a knife in her chest or choking her. Does Elisa's lawyer think anyone is really going to buy this.  (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/BS-flag.gif)


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: cookie on January 05, 2011, 09:30:46 PM
Her story about Zahra being sick, dying, and parents dimembering her is just way too far fetched. 

Let's see now.......

My child is sick........... do I take her to the doctor or do I do nothing?

I allow my child to get so sick she dies. Do I call 911 or grab a chainsaw?

My child's lifeless body is before me. Do I make preparations to lay her to rest with dignity or start dismembering her and transporting her body parts all over the county?

COME ON, ELISA! You aren't fooling anyone and the more you go down this ridiculous path, the more heinous you expose yourself to be! For you to throw this BS out there, what you did must really be something you never want anyone to know!

totally!!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: bananas on January 05, 2011, 09:49:05 PM
Really???? Really???? They panicked and just started cutting up their child?  Who does that????? 

BS BS BS!!!!!

I am good and mad now.  Nobody is going to buy the BS they are spewing.

Justice for Zahra!!!

 ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 05, 2011, 10:03:11 PM
I'm just trying to keep in mind what a damn fool Elisa is. Her mouth was a source of torture to Zahra, I'm sure. That same filthy mouth is full of dirt now as she just keeps working it. She's digging her own grave. I hope she chokes. Slowly.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 05, 2011, 10:05:01 PM
Zahra is sick and they "panic" rather than taking her to a Dr., rather than taking her to a Hosp, rather than calling 911, a little girl who unfortunately was no stranger to harsh medical procedures and numerous appointments.  They "panic" for two flippin weeks she was sick and dismember her.

I call TOTAL BS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 :smt097  :smt071 :2brickwall: :smt071 :smt068

They may as well say Zanny the nanny took her. It is just as far fetched. Why would they dismember her because she died? They had something to cover up even if they didn't out right kill her. With no medical treatment in years, they may as well have killed her. I am sure she suffered greatly in their hands. Dying from neglect is as bad as putting a knife in her chest or choking her. Does Elisa's lawyer think anyone is really going to buy this.  (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/BS-flag.gif)

Fly it high Fanny! That thing needs to wave over Elisa's cell!!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 05, 2011, 10:06:27 PM
I wonder how Aaron is doing now that his wife was asked by media about his continued contact with gothmonster.  He kept saying he had no contact with her for many months.  Phone records do not lie


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 05, 2011, 10:20:16 PM
I wonder how Aaron is doing now that his wife was asked by media about his continued contact with gothmonster.  He kept saying he had no contact with her for many months.  Phone records do not lie

Maybe the marriage right after Zahra went missing was not as strange as it appeared. (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/biggrin.gif)


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Brandi on January 05, 2011, 10:20:30 PM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/ZahraClareBaker/Image71-1.png)

Elisa's aunt.

Says Elisa told her they found Zahra dead and panicked.

Did not know what DDC would do.

From video on right at: http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13774355

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 05, 2011, 10:25:50 PM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/ZahraClareBaker/Image71-1.png)

Elisa's aunt.

Says Elisa told her they found Zahra dead and panicked.

Did not know what DDC would do.

From video on right at: http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13774355

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Oh! Puleeze!!!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Brandi on January 05, 2011, 10:27:16 PM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/ZahraClareBaker/Image72-1.png)

From the video at: http://www.wsoctv.com/video/26379915/index.html

I noticed you can see the tree is gone and the living room window is boarded up.

In the video, Elisa's lawyer says the reason court was continued is because they "haven't even received discovery."


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: SuzieQ on January 05, 2011, 11:37:39 PM
For Northern Rose

(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff15/sueann37/valium-kitty3.gif)


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on January 06, 2011, 01:50:46 AM
Her story about Zahra being sick, dying, and parents dimembering her is just way too far fetched. 

Let's see now.......

My child is sick........... do I take her to the doctor or do I do nothing?

I allow my child to get so sick she dies. Do I call 911 or grab a chainsaw?

My child's lifeless body is before me. Do I make preparations to lay her to rest with dignity or start dismembering her and transporting her body parts all over the county?

COME ON, ELISA! You aren't fooling anyone and the more you go down this ridiculous path, the more heinous you expose yourself to be! For you to throw this BS out there, what you did must really be something you never want anyone to know!
I am  !!!  with u CBB all the way !

FOR ELISA ~

 I recommend..."off with her head !" ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on January 06, 2011, 01:57:02 AM
I wonder how Aaron is doing now that his wife was asked by media about his continued contact with gothmonster.  He kept saying he had no contact with her for many months.  Phone records do not lie

Maybe the marriage right after Zahra went missing was not as strange as it appeared. (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/biggrin.gif)

Aaron Young lavished every minute of the attention he got as a result of this case. His horsey a&s comments and answers to many posters and readers on blogs. He sure sucked up to a few at Websleuths. I find it revolting. ::MonkeyMad::


I have said all along and I feel it deep in my bones, THAT MAN PLAYED SOME PART IN THIS WITH HIS EX WIFE.

It just feels right to me. I feel that Aaron was too willing to jump in and offer answers and input about a child he did not know that well, or did he. Did his male relatives ? This is all bizarre. I feel like I am readng a  script for a Stephen King movie or something.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on January 06, 2011, 01:58:05 AM
For Northern Rose

(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff15/sueann37/valium-kitty3.gif)

U guys are a riot, but all of us could use a laugh about now.
BIZARRE and INSANE this case.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2011, 10:27:52 AM
Relative: Stepmother Claims Illness Killed North Carolina Girl

A relative of Zahra Baker's stepmother said the woman told her the little girl died of natural causes before being dismembered.

Boncetta "Buzzie" Winkler, of Hickory, N.C., told The Associated Press Wednesday that she visited her niece, Elisa Baker, in jail this week.

Winkler says she was told that 10-year-old Zahra had been sick for two weeks before she died. Winkler says Elisa Baker told her that she and her husband panicked and dismembered the girl, scattering her body parts in various locations.

Two other relatives told the Charlotte ******* that the Bakers didn't take the girl to a hospital because they feared authorities would find out that Adam Baker was in the country illegally. Elisa Baker was also being investigated by social workers at the time, the relative told the newspaper.

No one has been charged in Zahra's death. Elisa Baker is in jail on charges of obstructing the investigation.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/01/06/relative-stepmother-claims-illness-killed-north-carolina-girl/


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: pfaubush on January 06, 2011, 10:29:34 AM
I wonder how Aaron is doing now that his wife was asked by media about his continued contact with gothmonster.  He kept saying he had no contact with her for many months.  Phone records do not lie

Maybe the marriage right after Zahra went missing was not as strange as it appeared. (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/biggrin.gif)

Aaron Young lavished every minute of the attention he got as a result of this case. His horsey a&s comments and answers to many posters and readers on blogs. He sure sucked up to a few at Websleuths. I find it revolting. ::MonkeyMad::


I have said all along and I feel it deep in my bones, THAT MAN PLAYED SOME PART IN THIS WITH HIS EX WIFE.

It just feels right to me. I feel that Aaron was too willing to jump in and offer answers and input about a child he did not know that well, or did he. Did his male relatives ? This is all bizarre. I feel like I am readng a  script for a Stephen King movie or something.

I wonder how some of them folks that bought into his carp are feeling now. I hear you fill up pretty quick when you have to eat your words.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2011, 10:34:30 AM

Family: Stepmother says illness killed Zahra Baker
Relatives say Bakers feared going to the hospital because the girl and her father were in U.S. illegally.


HICKORY Zahra Baker's stepmother claims she found the little girl dead after an illness that lasted some two weeks, and decided in a panic to get rid of the child's body instead of reporting the death, family members say.

Two relatives told the ******* the Bakers didn't take Zahra to a hospital and might have feared authorities because Zahra's father, Adam Baker, is in the country illegally, and because social workers had investigated her stepmother, Elisa Baker. The two relatives spoke on the condition of anonymity, and authorities won't comment on the allegations.

The family members' comments offer the first explanation of how the 10-year-old girl might have died and why her body was dismembered and discarded.


"She told me the whole time, every time I've visited her, that she did not kill Zahra. She found her dead," said another family member, Kathy Fairchild, who is a cousin of Elisa Baker.

Fairchild says she has visited Elisa Baker in jail three times and received several letters from her. No one has been charged in Zahra's death, but Elisa Baker has been jailed because police say she admitted writing a phony ransom note in the case.

Authorities confirmed for the ******* that Zahra's father is in the country illegally. He moved to the United States with his daughter in 2008 from their native Australia, where Adam and Elisa Baker had married after an online romance.

The Bakers might have stayed away from medical authorities and other officials because they feared Adam and Zahra could be deported if their immigration status were discovered, according to one of the relatives who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

Search warrant documents released Tuesday say Elisa had not yet divorced her prior husband at the time she married Adam. So it's unclear whether their Australian marriage is legitimate.

In general, marriages that are legally performed and valid abroad are also valid in the United States.

Family members say Adam Baker and his daughter came to the U.S. on a visa, possibly a tourist visa, that later expired. Relatives weren't sure what steps the couple might have taken toward obtaining a green card that would make Adam and Zahra permanent U.S. residents.


Search warrant records show that Elisa Baker told authorities that Zahra died on Sept. 24, more than two weeks before she was reported missing. The relative who spoke on condition of anonymity said family asked Elisa about Zahra because they hadn't seen her, and Elisa told them Zahra was sick with a virus.

But another Baker relative wonders if Zahra really died naturally, citing previous allegations of abuse against Elisa Baker.

"She may have gone too far," the relative said.

Investigators say reports made to DSS cite numerous investigations into abuse allegations as far back as 1999. Baker's previous attorney confirmed investigations were conducted but said the agency had not substantiated the claims.

Nearly three months after the hearing-impaired girl with the bright smile was reported missing, charges have yet to be brought in the gruesome death, leaving family members and residents frustrated.

Zahra's story has captured widespread attention because the child had survived so much, including cancer, the loss of part of her leg and possibly abuse.


Police are continuing to investigate.

They announced in November that they had matched Zahra's DNA to the DNA taken from a child's bone discovered in Caldwell County. They found more of her remains along a creek five miles away.

Documents call Elisa Baker a suspect in the case.

Search warrants say Elisa Baker told authorities Adam Baker dismembered his daughter's body, and that the couple dumped the remains in a various locations. Phone records retrieved in the investigation place Elisa Baker's phone at the dump sites but not Adam's.

Adam Baker was arrested on Oct. 25 on unrelated charges of writing bad checks and communicating threats. He was released two days later after posting bond.

Catawba County Sheriff's Capt. Mark Shook told the ******* that immigration authorities contacted the jail hours after Adam Baker was released and informed them Baker was in the country illegally and should be detained.

Immigration authorities declined to discuss the case but said they typically don't get involved with immigrants who are involved in U.S. criminal investigations until those cases are resolved.

Both Elisa and Adam Baker deny any wrongdoing in Zahra's death.

Kathy Fairchild said Elisa Baker has been sick, depressed, and has lost a lot of weight during her time in jail.

"It's very hard when you think someone in your family might have had something to do with (a crime)," Fairchild says. "I hope it's not true."

At least Zahra is now in peace, she says.

"The only thing that makes me feel better is that Zahra is in heaven. She can dance. She can hear."

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/01/06/1958840/family-stepmother-says-illness.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Curly on January 06, 2011, 10:36:20 AM
No way did Zahra die of natural causes.
Neglect, maybe..natural causes...not.
I despise these people.
Lock 'em all up until they get the truth.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: cookie on January 06, 2011, 10:42:13 AM
snipped from above:

At least Zahra is now in peace, she says.

"The only thing that makes me feel better is that Zahra is in heaven. She can dance. She can hear."


yeah, well, Zahra should have been allowed to be in peace and to dance and hear while still being here on Earth and enjoying being a 10 yr old kid instead of being in Heaven...grrrrr.... ::MonkeyMad::
 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2011, 10:42:23 AM
immigration authorities contacted the jail hours after Adam Baker was released and informed them Baker was in the country illegally and should be detained   ::MonkeyNoNo::    ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

I do not understand why LE does not pick his sorry arse up, throw him behind bars and leave him there for this latest revelation that he is in the country illegally AND Immigration asked for him to be detained.  Ma Baker could go visit him every day and bake him a few cakes. 

Before Christmas there was one report that some of the others from the Baker clan were heading to the US.  Nothing more reported on that.  They were supposed to be all gathering for a private memorial. 

I hope immigration is keeping an eye on Ma Baker as well and makes sure she has to go back before her visitor visa expires.  I want to see how sonny boy copes without his mama wiping his butt for him. 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: cookie on January 06, 2011, 10:43:19 AM
Is his mom still here?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2011, 10:43:48 AM
No way did Zahra die of natural causes.
Neglect, maybe..natural causes...not.
I despise these people.
Lock 'em all up until they get the truth.

What a shame Elisa has been sick in jail.  Maybe they could borrow a wood chipper to make her feel all better.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2011, 10:44:55 AM
Is his mom still here?

I believe she is.  Kat-Gram may have a better idea with her FB reading.  I have not had time to keep up with the clan on FB.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: 4 Donks on January 06, 2011, 10:47:19 AM
Is his mom still here?

I believe she is.  Kat-Gram may have a better idea with her FB reading.  I have not had time to keep up with the clan on FB.
Unless you get an extension a visitors visa is normally good for 6 months.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2011, 10:50:01 AM
Is his mom still here?

I believe she is.  Kat-Gram may have a better idea with her FB reading.  I have not had time to keep up with the clan on FB.
Unless you get an extension a visitors visa is normally good for 6 months.

Even if you are abetting someone known to be in the country illegally?  I doubt he could afford many things without mama right now. 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: 4 Donks on January 06, 2011, 10:57:15 AM
Is his mom still here?

I believe she is.  Kat-Gram may have a better idea with her FB reading.  I have not had time to keep up with the clan on FB.
Unless you get an extension a visitors visa is normally good for 6 months.

Even if you are abetting someone known to be in the country illegally?  I doubt he could afford many things without mama right now. 
I wonder how his family can afford to keep two households going (Australia & NC). They are not wealthy.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Tolerance on January 06, 2011, 11:01:12 AM
Is his mom still here?

I believe she is.  Kat-Gram may have a better idea with her FB reading.  I have not had time to keep up with the clan on FB.
Unless you get an extension a visitors visa is normally good for 6 months.

Even if you are abetting someone known to be in the country illegally?  I doubt he could afford many things without mama right now. 
I wonder how his family can afford to keep two households going (Australia & NC). They are not wealthy.
Exactly, 4Donks.  I brought this up in earlier postings.  What the heck are they living on? 
I am just worried that AB will 'get away' somehow.  I am sure he is being tailed, but I would feel better if he was locked up.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 06, 2011, 11:01:57 AM
So, they wouldn't get Zahra medical care because her father was here illegally and that came before treatment for her??? Since when does a doctor or hospital ask what your status is being here in the United States. Illegals get treatment every single day. Just some more BS. Why didn't they ask for an extension for the visas? Oh, they were too busy writing bad checks, and hiding for the child protective services. NORTHERN, pass Valium Kitty.... ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: cookie on January 06, 2011, 11:08:47 AM
So, they wouldn't get Zahra medical care because her father was here illegally and that came before treatment for her??? Since when does a doctor or hospital ask what your status is being here in the United States. Illegals get treatment every single day. Just some more BS. Why didn't they ask for an extension for the visas? Oh, they were too busy writing bad checks, and hiding for the child protective services. NORTHERN, pass Valium Kitty.... ::MonkeyMad::

Exactly Fanny Mae!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: 4 Donks on January 06, 2011, 11:09:09 AM
So, they wouldn't get Zahra medical care because her father was here illegally and that came before treatment for her??? Since when does a doctor or hospital ask what your status is being here in the United States. Illegals get treatment every single day. Just some more BS. Why didn't they ask for an extension for the visas? Oh, they were too busy writing bad checks, and hiding for the child protective services. NORTHERN, pass Valium Kitty.... ::MonkeyMad::
You know he was being paid under the table (no SS#) so I say arrest the fool for tax evasion. Just lock him up  ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 06, 2011, 11:11:20 AM
Is his mom still here?

I believe she is.  Kat-Gram may have a better idea with her FB reading.  I have not had time to keep up with the clan on FB.
Unless you get an extension a visitors visa is normally good for 6 months.

Even if you are abetting someone known to be in the country illegally?  I doubt he could afford many things without mama right now. 
I wonder how his family can afford to keep two households going (Australia & NC). They are not wealthy.

Funny how they can dig up money for this, but couldn't seem to get by without passing bad checks before and not paying bills. He should be sitting in jail for the same things Elisa is. He had the same charges. At some point, he must have realized he was married illegally to a woman who was not divorced and stayed in the situation anyway. He could have taken Zahra and gone back home to mama long ago. I am sure she would have paid for it. No, Adam is up to his neck in this as much as Elisa and should be getting a cot in the slammer.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2011, 11:33:56 AM
Updated: Elisa Baker says Zahra died Sept. 24
Relative: Zahra died of natural causes


NEWTON --
Zahra Baker was likely killed on Sept. 24, and her body disposed of the following day, according to new search warrants released Tuesday. She was not reported missing until about two weeks later.

Elisa has also been arrested on several other charges unrelated to Zahra's disappearance. Adam was arrested, as well, on several charges unrelated to the case, but is out of jail on bond.

The Associated Press is reporting that Elisa Baker told a relative that Zahra died of natural causes.

In the search warrants, Elisa maintains that Adam dismembered Zahra's limbs and they disposed of them in several locations.

All search warrants in the Zahra Baker investigation were unsealed Tuesday.

Using, the GPS location in her cell phone, investigators could show that on Sept. 25, Elisa was in the areas where parts of Zahra have been recovered. Those areas include a bone and her prosthesis on Christie Road and part of her remains on Dudley Shoals Road, both in Caldwell County. From the information provided by Elisa, Adam was not in the area where Zahra was disposed of, according to his GPS location.

The search warrants also state that Elisa Baker purchased a bed prior to Oct. 12, when Angie Foster was interviewed by Capt. Thurman Whisnant and Sgt. Brett Porter with the Hickory Police Department. The investigators were speaking to the woman about the disappearance of Zahra, according to a search warrant from Oct. 19. In the warrant, it says Foster had spoken with Elisa several times about the purchase of a bed, although she was uncertain of the exact day Elisa bought it.
Investigators requested the records for several people who could be involved in the case, including the person Elisa was having an affair with and one of Elisa's former husbands, Aaron Young.

The search warrants also said Elisa and Aaron were not divorced before she and Adam were married. According to a Nov. 29 search warrant, Elisa told Adam that Aaron was her brother.

Investigators asked for access to cell phone numbers for several people, including Aaron Young. However, no one has been arrested yet in connection with the case.

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/jan/04/23/judge-unseals-all-warrants-baker-case-ar-666013/


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Tolerance on January 06, 2011, 11:41:31 AM
It says above that Elisa was having an affair w/ someone besides AY???
Wow. busy gal.
I thought the previous info indicated she was still seeing AY.  I wonder who the unnamed boyfriend is?
Tol


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 06, 2011, 11:46:08 AM
It says above that Elisa was having an affair w/ someone besides AY???
Wow. busy gal.
I thought the previous info indicated she was still seeing AY.  I wonder who the unnamed boyfriend is?
Tol

Sammy Young.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: 4 Donks on January 06, 2011, 11:47:07 AM
It says above that Elisa was having an affair w/ someone besides AY???
Wow. busy gal.
I thought the previous info indicated she was still seeing AY.  I wonder who the unnamed boyfriend is?
Tol
I believe it was YA's cousin Sammie. One of the men accused of raping Zahra.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Tolerance on January 06, 2011, 11:51:50 AM
Thanks, FM and 4Donks,
I was reading back and just found that info.
I better get better at keeping up!
and, oh, by the way, ICK.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on January 06, 2011, 01:33:23 PM
I don't know if KB is still here. Everything has gone to silent for any of these peeps.
Even cussing like a sailor AY. Which is unusual. I think that they have had visitors with uniforms on asking questions and are now a bit afraid / worried.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Monkey King on January 06, 2011, 01:39:47 PM
Hey All- just catching up in the new thread. I am unable to read the warrants on my phone. Has anything indicated the chainsaw was located?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Monkey King on January 06, 2011, 01:50:31 PM
I'll reserve my opinions for later. In the begining of this case we were all shocked thinking the wood chipper was used. How much more disturbing they allegedly let this little girl die from medical neglect, then used a chainsaw on her. What is questionable to me is- IF AB and EB were involved in this virtual chainsaw massacre murder, IF Zahra was deceased, then it's not murder. Evidence at the crime scene (specifically blood splatter, cast off) should indicate IF Zahra was alive/near death from other causes which would confirm they murdered her despite how close to death they argue.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Monkey King on January 06, 2011, 02:02:59 PM
I wonder what the deal is with AY's phone being substantial? Was AB using his phone, hanging out with him? Wasn't EB the one who named AY's brother and cousin as alleged child rapers and murderers? What's AY's involvement either known or unknown to him?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Monkey King on January 06, 2011, 02:32:52 PM
The reason they didn't get Zahra medical treatment- IF that's the case, is because they knew there were warrants out on them and they didn't want a paper trail- nothing more, why else wouldn't they have allowed Zahra to go to school?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2011, 03:37:56 PM
Hey All- just catching up in the new thread. I am unable to read the warrants on my phone. Has anything indicated the chainsaw was located?

Nothing on the warrants about chainsaw. There is at least one new warrant and one warrant still sealed though.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2011, 03:39:30 PM
I'll reserve my opinions for later. In the begining of this case we were all shocked thinking the wood chipper was used. How much more disturbing they allegedly let this little girl die from medical neglect, then used a chainsaw on her. What is questionable to me is- IF AB and EB were involved in this virtual chainsaw massacre murder, IF Zahra was deceased, then it's not murder. Evidence at the crime scene (specifically blood splatter, cast off) should indicate IF Zahra was alive/near death from other causes which would confirm they murdered her despite how close to death they argue.

Yes.  The blood pools soon after the heart stops so they could surmise from blood spatter if the person was still alive or not.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 06, 2011, 03:41:01 PM
I wonder what the deal is with AY's phone being substantial? Was AB using his phone, hanging out with him? Wasn't EB the one who named AY's brother and cousin as alleged child rapers and murderers? What's AY's involvement either known or unknown to him?

It was a former GF of either the Young brother or Cousin that came forward to LE on their own according to the warrant , not EB.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Monkey King on January 06, 2011, 04:57:14 PM
Thanks Northern for the responses. Interesting it was an ex girlfriend.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Curly on January 06, 2011, 05:20:24 PM
I'm not buying that Zahra died of natural causes.
I will never buy into that.

She was murdered by these 2 beasts and I hope the same thing happens to them.
It can't be soon enough for me.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Monkey King on January 06, 2011, 05:34:36 PM
Seriously, kids don't just die from "natural causes". Old people do.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Curly on January 06, 2011, 05:38:11 PM
Seriously, kids don't just die from "natural causes". Old people do.

Exactly.
And why wouldn't it occur to them that others would question her whereabouts?
Makes zero sense.
She's lying and they should torture her to get the truth.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on January 06, 2011, 05:39:49 PM
I'm not buying that Zahra died of natural causes.
I will never buy into that.

She was murdered by these 2 beasts and I hope the same thing happens to them.
It can't be soon enough for me.

Of course they did curly, even if it was via neglect of medical care.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Wyks on January 06, 2011, 06:31:18 PM

HI WYKES! (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/poppyflower.gif)

Yes, let's walk that perp..

Hi Fanny!!!!   It's great to see you!   ::MonkeyKiss::

 



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 06, 2011, 07:00:42 PM
No way did Zahra die of natural causes.
Neglect, maybe..natural causes...not.
I despise these people.
Lock 'em all up until they get the truth.

What a shame Elisa has been sick in jail.  Maybe they could borrow a wood chipper to make her feel all better.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyJnBox::

OMG, NR! I just love a smartazz when they're good at it, and YOU are GOOD!!!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 06, 2011, 07:06:30 PM
I'm not buying that Zahra died of natural causes.
I will never buy into that.

She was murdered by these 2 beasts and I hope the same thing happens to them.
It can't be soon enough for me.

Me either, Curly. Adam can "act" his arse off now, but neither he nor the gothwitch had the first impulse toward love or parenting toward Zahra. They both tormented her and allowed her to be tormented.

Zahra is free from the pain and free from THEM! They will not be so lucky as to escape the history they lived and inflicted. TICK TOCK, azzholes........... your number is up just around the corner!  ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 06, 2011, 07:31:19 PM

HI WYKES! (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/poppyflower.gif)

Yes, let's walk that perp..

Hi Fanny!!!!   It's great to see you!   ::MonkeyKiss::

 



(http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/computer2.gif)


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 06, 2011, 08:02:28 PM
Seriously, kids don't just die from "natural causes". Old people do.

Zahra had cancer and she had a recurrence in her lung. I think she was in remission maybe when she first came to US. I'm really not sure that is true. There has been no mention of doctors here, and I noticed the LE didn't issue search warrants for her records. There is probably not any.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Brandi on January 06, 2011, 08:11:15 PM
Seriously, kids don't just die from "natural causes". Old people do.

Zahra had cancer and she had a recurrence in her lung. I think she was in remission maybe when she first came to US. I'm really not sure that is true. There has been no mention of doctors here, and I noticed the LE didn't issue search warrants for her records. There is probably not any.

I bet you are right. Bet she never visited a doctor here in the states.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Curly on January 06, 2011, 08:14:12 PM
I agree they never took her to a doctor.
They were too concerned about their own drugging and IMVU'g to think about caring for Zahra.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 06, 2011, 10:31:43 PM
Seriously, kids don't just die from "natural causes". Old people do.


Personally, I believe Zahra died at the hands of her father or stepmother. And then I got curious about just what "natural causes" means.
I  looked up children dying from "natural causes", and this is what I found: 
(Bolded by me)

http://www.childdeathreview.org/causesNOO.htm

Natural Deaths Over One Year of Age

Death from natural causes is the second leading cause of mortality to children over one year of age, following unintentional injuries. In 1999, 9,848 children over the age of one died in the United States from natural causes. A death due to a natural cause can result from one of many serious health conditions. Congenital anomalies, genetic disorders (such as cystic fibrosis), cancers, heart and cerebral problems, serious infections and respiratory disorders such as asthma can be fatal to children. Many of these conditions are not believed to be preventable in the same way in which accidents, homicides or suicides are preventable. But there are some illnesses, such as asthma, infectious diseases and some screenable genetic disorders, in which under certain circumstances, fatalities can and should be prevented. For example, deaths due to asthma are usually preventable. Asthma is a chronic respiratory disease that involves episodes of the airways constricting from inflammation. Triggers for an asthmatic event include allergens, infections, exercise, changes in weather or exposure to airway irritants including tobacco smoke or pollution. Asthma affects approximately five million children a year in the U.S. The asthma death rate for children 19 years and younger increased by 78% between 1980 and 1993, many believe due to environmental conditions. Despite these statistics, treatments for asthma are numerous and generally very effective.

Major Risk Factors

    * Children with congenital anomalies and other genetic disorders.
    * Children who do not receive preventive medical care.
    * Children who live in poverty.
    * Children with chronic health conditions.
    * Exposure to environmental hazards, especially of vulnerable children.
    * Non-compliance with prescribed treatment regimens.
    * Parental or caregiver failures to seek adequate medical attention.
(snipped)


   



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: melisb on January 06, 2011, 10:39:14 PM
My sick sense of humor getting ready to come out so feel free to scroll and roll...Poetic justice: You leave your native country for the love of Gothmonster and drag your cancer free child with you prolly to exploit.  Doesn't work out. He loves Gothmonster so much he lets her abuse her in many ways, maybe murders her and dismembers his only child and tosses parts of into trash.  And guess what?  The Biatch is cheating on him!!!! HHHHaaaaaaaaaHaaaahaaa!  Wonder does he hurt cause of what he did to his child and misses her or he was done wrong by EvilE?

 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Wyks on January 06, 2011, 11:28:26 PM
Seriously, kids don't just die from "natural causes". Old people do.

Zahra had cancer and she had a recurrence in her lung. I think she was in remission maybe when she first came to US. I'm really not sure that is true. There has been no mention of doctors here, and I noticed the LE didn't issue search warrants for her records. There is probably not any.

So sad to think of, for Zahra's sake.  As she grew, her leg must have needed to have been refit.  Just that alone not having been done must have been very painful for her.  And then... the rest of what happened.  So horrifying.   ::MonkeyTears::

I just don't think there's any legal punishment suitable for the Gothmonster and Daddy Dearest.   ::MonkeyMad::

 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Wyks on January 06, 2011, 11:42:03 PM

Fanny
I love your lil smilies!  Am stealing as many of them as I can.   ::MonkeyTongue::


Muffy
Thanks for posting that.  Interesting!  Am sure hoping that Gothmonster will get additional charges, at the very least neglect in medical attention, and anything else they can pin on her for the moment... and that Daddy Dearest will get hauled in on the same charges until LE gets all their ducks in a row for the heavy duty major charges to put them both away forever. 


melisb
Poetic justice indeed!!  Karma's a biatch.   ::MonkeyJnBox::







Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on January 06, 2011, 11:49:52 PM
I don't know which is the worse, if I had to decide ???

Is Zahra's painful death and abuse of her corpse
the worst, or is it
Jonathon Foster being torched ?

I will never understand the thinking of these people. NEVER ! ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: starwynn on January 06, 2011, 11:59:18 PM
Is his mom still here?

I believe she is.  Kat-Gram may have a better idea with her FB reading.  I have not had time to keep up with the clan on FB.
Unless you get an extension a visitors visa is normally good for 6 months.

Actually visitors in the US is three months I believe.  I made this mistake with my exhusband who was English and he got in trouble for it.  Three months for them to come here, six months for most places if we go there.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: starwynn on January 07, 2011, 12:03:46 AM
My sick sense of humor getting ready to come out so feel free to scroll and roll...Poetic justice: You leave your native country for the love of Gothmonster and drag your cancer free child with you prolly to exploit.  Doesn't work out. He loves Gothmonster so much he lets her abuse her in many ways, maybe murders her and dismembers his only child and tosses parts of into trash.  And guess what?  The Biatch is cheating on him!!!! HHHHaaaaaaaaaHaaaahaaa!  Wonder does he hurt cause of what he did to his child and misses her or he was done wrong by EvilE?

 

There is a good bit of karma in there, isn't there?  I hope he can't live with himself.  I really do.  I hope he doesn't have to long, after a death penalty.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: starwynn on January 07, 2011, 12:07:29 AM
Is his mom still here?

I believe she is.  Kat-Gram may have a better idea with her FB reading.  I have not had time to keep up with the clan on FB.
Unless you get an extension a visitors visa is normally good for 6 months.

Actually visitors in the US is three months I believe.  I made this mistake with my exhusband who was English and he got in trouble for it.  Three months for them to come here, six months for most places if we go there.

OK just checked it.  A visa waiver is applicable for 90 days for people visiting the US from (certain) other countries.  When WE go to other countries (certain ones, like UK for example) we can stay 6 months.  Confusing.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Sister on January 07, 2011, 05:39:50 AM
I don't know which is the worse, if I had to decide ???

Is Zahra's painful death and abuse of her corpse
the worst, or is it
Jonathon Foster being torched ?

I will never understand the thinking of these people. NEVER ! ::MonkeyMad::
LEP, we will never understand and that is good.  We look at and analyze other's behavior for the good and the bad, so we can live better lives ourselves.  That we can't wrap our brains around this conduct is good . . . although it does raise our awareness to be on the lookout to help others.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on January 07, 2011, 07:47:56 AM
Seriously, kids don't just die from "natural causes". Old people do.

Zahra had cancer and she had a recurrence in her lung. I think she was in remission maybe when she first came to US. I'm really not sure that is true. There has been no mention of doctors here, and I noticed the LE didn't issue search warrants for her records. There is probably not any.

So sad to think of, for Zahra's sake.  As she grew, her leg must have needed to have been refit.  Just that alone not having been done must have been very painful for her.  And then... the rest of what happened.  So horrifying.   ::MonkeyTears::

I just don't think there's any legal punishment suitable for the Gothmonster and Daddy Dearest.   ::MonkeyMad::

 


Totally agree.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: bdfmom on January 07, 2011, 08:42:21 AM
I personally believe we will find somewhere out there is a video or pics of the death and dismemberment. I think Gothmonster was planning on or did cash in on this whole thing. If someone is sick enough to play chainsaw games in IMVU they would really get excited to see it in real time. ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: SuzieQ on January 07, 2011, 10:34:12 AM
I don't know which is the worse, if I had to decide ???

Is Zahra's painful death and abuse of her corpse
the worst, or is it
Jonathon Foster being torched ?

I will never understand the thinking of these people. NEVER ! ::MonkeyMad::
LEP, we will never understand and that is good.  We look at and analyze other's behavior for the good and the bad, so we can live better lives ourselves.  That we can't wrap our brains around this conduct is good . . . although it does raise our awareness to be on the lookout to help others.

Thank you Sister. You put it in words better than I ever could.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 07, 2011, 10:42:59 AM
I don't know which is the worse, if I had to decide ???

Is Zahra's painful death and abuse of her corpse
the worst, or is it
Jonathon Foster being torched ?

I will never understand the thinking of these people. NEVER ! ::MonkeyMad::
LEP, we will never understand and that is good.  We look at and analyze other's behavior for the good and the bad, so we can live better lives ourselves.  That we can't wrap our brains around this conduct is good . . . although it does raise our awareness to be on the lookout to help others.

Thank you Sister. You put it in words better than I ever could.

ITA 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 07, 2011, 10:59:10 AM
Bakers held 'chainsaw massacre' on web days before Zahra disappeared, warrant says  (with video)

CHARLOTTE, NC (WBTV) – Recently-unsealed search warrants in the Zahra Baker case continually mention the website IMVU.com.

(Click to read warrants 1-10, 11-20 and 21-28.)

 It's a site advertising itself as a place to "…hang out, chat and meet new people in 3-D."  You can log on for free.  Create an account in about 60 seconds.  Court documents say Zahra's parents – her stepmother Elisa Baker and her father Adam Baker – both had IMVU accounts. (Related story: Who IS Elisa Baker?)

Those documents also say, disturbingly enough, say the Baker's had a virtual family who created a "chainsaw massacre" on the computer September 22nd.  Zahra was last seen alive on September 24th.

The Bakers were also married on the website in a fantasy ceremony.

Thursday night, Anchor Molly Grantham logged on to IMVU.com to see what the fantasy world was all about.


http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13799829


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 07, 2011, 11:15:10 AM
Bakers held 'chainsaw massacre' on web days before Zahra disappeared, warrant says  (with video)

CHARLOTTE, NC (WBTV) – Recently-unsealed search warrants in the Zahra Baker case continually mention the website IMVU.com.

(Click to read warrants 1-10, 11-20 and 21-28.)

 It's a site advertising itself as a place to "…hang out, chat and meet new people in 3-D."  You can log on for free.  Create an account in about 60 seconds.  Court documents say Zahra's parents – her stepmother Elisa Baker and her father Adam Baker – both had IMVU accounts. (Related story: Who IS Elisa Baker?)

Those documents also say, disturbingly enough, say the Baker's had a virtual family who created a "chainsaw massacre" on the computer September 22nd.  Zahra was last seen alive on September 24th.

The Bakers were also married on the website in a fantasy ceremony.

Thursday night, Anchor Molly Grantham logged on to IMVU.com to see what the fantasy world was all about.


http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13799829
I don't play games on the computer nor any kind of games. I know that these fantasy world websites are very popular, the chainsaw massacre virtual family, if anybody knows were they playing that from the movie Chainsaw Massacre, or did they make up their own virtual massacre?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Sister on January 07, 2011, 12:49:34 PM
Bakers held 'chainsaw massacre' on web days before Zahra disappeared, warrant says  (with video)

CHARLOTTE, NC (WBTV) – Recently-unsealed search warrants in the Zahra Baker case continually mention the website IMVU.com.

(Click to read warrants 1-10, 11-20 and 21-28.)

 It's a site advertising itself as a place to "…hang out, chat and meet new people in 3-D."  You can log on for free.  Create an account in about 60 seconds.  Court documents say Zahra's parents – her stepmother Elisa Baker and her father Adam Baker – both had IMVU accounts. (Related story: Who IS Elisa Baker?)

Those documents also say, disturbingly enough, say the Baker's had a virtual family who created a "chainsaw massacre" on the computer September 22nd.  Zahra was last seen alive on September 24th.

The Bakers were also married on the website in a fantasy ceremony.

Thursday night, Anchor Molly Grantham logged on to IMVU.com to see what the fantasy world was all about.


http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13799829
I don't play games on the computer nor any kind of games. I know that these fantasy world websites are very popular, the chainsaw massacre virtual family, if anybody knows were they playing that from the movie Chainsaw Massacre, or did they make up their own virtual massacre?
NoRose, I have no clue.  The only game I play is bookworm . . . making words out of letters.  Virtual stuff scares me . . . I never know where I might end up.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: klaasend on January 07, 2011, 01:09:55 PM
Bakers held 'chainsaw massacre' on web days before Zahra disappeared, warrant says  (with video)

CHARLOTTE, NC (WBTV) – Recently-unsealed search warrants in the Zahra Baker case continually mention the website IMVU.com.

(Click to read warrants 1-10, 11-20 and 21-28.)

 It's a site advertising itself as a place to "…hang out, chat and meet new people in 3-D."  You can log on for free.  Create an account in about 60 seconds.  Court documents say Zahra's parents – her stepmother Elisa Baker and her father Adam Baker – both had IMVU accounts. (Related story: Who IS Elisa Baker?)

Those documents also say, disturbingly enough, say the Baker's had a virtual family who created a "chainsaw massacre" on the computer September 22nd.  Zahra was last seen alive on September 24th.

The Bakers were also married on the website in a fantasy ceremony.

Thursday night, Anchor Molly Grantham logged on to IMVU.com to see what the fantasy world was all about.


http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13799829
I don't play games on the computer nor any kind of games. I know that these fantasy world websites are very popular, the chainsaw massacre virtual family, if anybody knows were they playing that from the movie Chainsaw Massacre, or did they make up their own virtual massacre?
NoRose, I have no clue.  The only game I play is bookworm . . . making words out of letters.  Virtual stuff scares me . . . I never know where I might end up.

I imagine the Chainsaw Massacre came was in the IMVU.com site and you would have to be a member before you could play.  Probably one of many different games offered.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on January 07, 2011, 01:29:02 PM
Wasn't Sept. 24th the day that the woman at the furniture place saw Zahra? If it was, how could she have died that night from natural causes?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 07, 2011, 01:44:21 PM
Thank-you, so many people play all types of those virtual games, and I really don't think much about it. I suppose with everything, movies, TV shows, music, books if you are off balanced to begin with it probably wouldn't take that much to cross over into the non reality.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 07, 2011, 01:49:34 PM
Wasn't Sept. 24th the day that the woman at the furniture place saw Zahra? If it was, how could she have died that night from natural causes?

I am pretty sure the furniture store siting was on Sept 25. I questioned that the night the warrants came out. I guess one or the other is not true.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 07, 2011, 01:57:03 PM

Fanny
I love your lil smilies!  Am stealing as many of them as I can.   ::MonkeyTongue::


Muffy
Thanks for posting that.  Interesting!  Am sure hoping that Gothmonster will get additional charges, at the very least neglect in medical attention, and anything else they can pin on her for the moment... and that Daddy Dearest will get hauled in on the same charges until LE gets all their ducks in a row for the heavy duty major charges to put them both away forever. 


melisb
Poetic justice indeed!!  Karma's a biatch.   ::MonkeyJnBox::







Steal away WYKES. That's how I got them.   (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/putersmile1.gif)

Every day I come here I hope Adam has finally been hauled off to jail and to finally face justice for the things he did Zahra.  (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/judgesmiley.gif)


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: starwynn on January 07, 2011, 05:40:41 PM
Thank-you, so many people play all types of those virtual games, and I really don't think much about it. I suppose with everything, movies, TV shows, music, books if you are off balanced to begin with it probably wouldn't take that much to cross over into the non reality.

I play video games, World of Warcraft actually (probably should be game, not games).  I can say, sadly, that there are a lot of people on the games who you can tell are there because they are unable or unwilling to have normal social relationships.  For examples, people say inappropriate things (sometimes innocently), are overcompensating for in-real-life issues, don't know how to relate to people, have mean streaks (very very very often - and I mean want to hurt people personally and get off to that).

To be fair, there are also other people, who like me, prefer to pay 15 dollars for a month's worth of entertainment that doesn't involve driving out where traffic is dangerous (Houston is bad), or risking late night driving particularly when there are a lot of drunks (again, Houston is bad), or have family and want to stick close to home, just like a little escape but know the difference between the game world and real world, etc.  I just like that I can jump and run a heck of a lot more gracefully than I ever can in real life!  LOL  The art is pretty, I get pets, etc, and I try to make a point to be kind to people.    Others use it to use other people, and because they can be someone they like a lot more in the game than they like themselves in real life.  I have seen people like this get really immersed in the game, to the point where they don't really seem to be able to remember that..... it's a game.  Yes, a game filled with real people behind the screens, and the golden rule applies - but still a game.  When the computer shuts off, you're still stuck with yourself, and your conscience.

Unfortunately when talk happens about some of the more seedy aspects of the game, I can too easily see how that happens because I've seen it in game time.  I just try to associate with people more like me who are homebodies or family people.

Also unfortunately, I think some people get a sick kick out of some aspects of role-playing, and I don't think they WANT to differentiate between a game and real life; that might be what happened here.  Or maybe they didn't like it, but dang - they still did it, and how horrible is that????


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Sister on January 07, 2011, 06:35:45 PM
Thank-you, so many people play all types of those virtual games, and I really don't think much about it. I suppose with everything, movies, TV shows, music, books if you are off balanced to begin with it probably wouldn't take that much to cross over into the non reality.

I play video games, World of Warcraft actually (probably should be game, not games).  I can say, sadly, that there are a lot of people on the games who you can tell are there because they are unable or unwilling to have normal social relationships.  For examples, people say inappropriate things (sometimes innocently), are overcompensating for in-real-life issues, don't know how to relate to people, have mean streaks (very very very often - and I mean want to hurt people personally and get off to that).

To be fair, there are also other people, who like me, prefer to pay 15 dollars for a month's worth of entertainment that doesn't involve driving out where traffic is dangerous (Houston is bad), or risking late night driving particularly when there are a lot of drunks (again, Houston is bad), or have family and want to stick close to home, just like a little escape but know the difference between the game world and real world, etc.  I just like that I can jump and run a heck of a lot more gracefully than I ever can in real life!  LOL  The art is pretty, I get pets, etc, and I try to make a point to be kind to people.    Others use it to use other people, and because they can be someone they like a lot more in the game than they like themselves in real life.  I have seen people like this get really immersed in the game, to the point where they don't really seem to be able to remember that..... it's a game.  Yes, a game filled with real people behind the screens, and the golden rule applies - but still a game.  When the computer shuts off, you're still stuck with yourself, and your conscience.

Unfortunately when talk happens about some of the more seedy aspects of the game, I can too easily see how that happens because I've seen it in game time.  I just try to associate with people more like me who are homebodies or family people.

Also unfortunately, I think some people get a sick kick out of some aspects of role-playing, and I don't think they WANT to differentiate between a game and real life; that might be what happened here.  Or maybe they didn't like it, but dang - they still did it, and how horrible is that????
Star, thanks for your input on the gaming.  It's just something I'm not comfortable with.  In every phase of life, there are some very sick people . . . gaming would be no different.  You make a good point about what folks are when the computer is turned off.  I remember back when soap operas were so popular, people would talk about the characters like the were real life events, etc.  Living varcariously through anything else is always frightening.  Again, thanks for your input.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 07, 2011, 09:02:15 PM
Wasn't Sept. 24th the day that the woman at the furniture place saw Zahra? If it was, how could she have died that night from natural causes?

I am pretty sure the furniture store siting was on Sept 25. I questioned that the night the warrants came out. I guess one or the other is not true.

I never felt 100% certain of the sighting. I just kept remembering how many times Caylee was spotted all over the country and wondered if someone had made an honest error.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Wyks on January 07, 2011, 10:05:53 PM
I personally believe we will find somewhere out there is a video or pics of the death and dismemberment. I think Gothmonster was planning on or did cash in on this whole thing. If someone is sick enough to play chainsaw games in IMVU they would really get excited to see it in real time. ::MonkeyMad::

Unfortunately, that's very possible, bdfmom.  Seems with this level of depravity, all that tends to go together. 

Just when I think the sickos in the world couldn't possibly get any worse, along comes another case (like this and Jonathan's case) that proves that thinking wrong.  Sadly enough.   ::MonkeyTears:: 



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on January 08, 2011, 02:01:40 AM
I totally agree that if they played a fantasy "Tx Chainsaw Massacre," that one of us,
or any person out there will possibly stumble upon some heinous video.

People make and sell heinous videos of their captured,sex victims, and these r called, snuff films. They go for big bucks. I was not even aware of such twisted behavior until  it was discussed after poor Nat Holloway disappeared. ::MonkeyMad::Her disappearance  also made me aware of sex trafficking. These murdered young people teach us a vast amount of good and bad in our sad, morally decaying society.



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: melisb on January 08, 2011, 09:20:58 AM
I totally agree that if they played a fantasy "Tx Chainsaw Massacre," that one of us,
or any person out there will possibly stumble upon some heinous video.

People make and sell heinous videos of their captured,sex victims, and these r called, snuff films. They go for big bucks. I was not even aware of such twisted behavior until  it was discussed after poor Nat Holloway disappeared. ::MonkeyMad::Her disappearance  also made me aware of sex trafficking. These murdered young people teach us a vast amount of good and bad in our sad, morally decaying society.


You are so right LEP!!!  I am so scared for my only Son to have to live in this world alone.  What is it coming to?  Don't answer cause I already know...the Good Book has told us such.  I am a believer and I am not scared for my ending but for the time we will be here on earth before we reach that wonder place.

SSSSSSSSSIIIIIIISSSSSSSSSTTTTTTTTEEEEEEERRRRRRR(Sister) we need words of encouragement right now.  Please say a prayer for all of us.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: melisb on January 08, 2011, 09:40:16 AM
Okay, I bit the bullet and downloaded IMVU.  I know nothing about computers and I have a 3yo Dell and I registered but haven't connected yet.  I have to go to work.  My system can only play PC games and Norton said IMVU was safe if anyone was worried.  I don't know how to navigate any of this stuff so I will have to wait till tonight and have my young one show me.  Don't worry, anything hinky shows up I will quickly ESC and erase! lol
He's a good kid and doesn't like to do wrong.  He's amazing and would make any Mom proud!  I'm only going to get him to show me how to navigate, not play! I do check behind him on the puter to see where he has been and not ONE time has he EVER been somewhere I would consider not child safe.  Dad and I are so, so proud!  Are there any Monkeys willing to go there to meet up with me.  I'm afraid if one doesn't go with me that I won't get very far!  Prolly not a bad thing!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: cookie on January 08, 2011, 09:45:39 AM
Wasn't Sept. 24th the day that the woman at the furniture place saw Zahra? If it was, how could she have died that night from natural causes?

I am pretty sure the furniture store siting was on Sept 25. I questioned that the night the warrants came out. I guess one or the other is not true.

I never felt 100% certain of the sighting. I just kept remembering how many times Caylee was spotted all over the country and wondered if someone had made an honest error.

I agree..


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 08, 2011, 10:49:08 AM
Thank-you, so many people play all types of those virtual games, and I really don't think much about it. I suppose with everything, movies, TV shows, music, books if you are off balanced to begin with it probably wouldn't take that much to cross over into the non reality.

I play video games, World of Warcraft actually (probably should be game, not games).  I can say, sadly, that there are a lot of people on the games who you can tell are there because they are unable or unwilling to have normal social relationships.  For examples, people say inappropriate things (sometimes innocently), are overcompensating for in-real-life issues, don't know how to relate to people, have mean streaks (very very very often - and I mean want to hurt people personally and get off to that).

To be fair, there are also other people, who like me, prefer to pay 15 dollars for a month's worth of entertainment that doesn't involve driving out where traffic is dangerous (Houston is bad), or risking late night driving particularly when there are a lot of drunks (again, Houston is bad), or have family and want to stick close to home, just like a little escape but know the difference between the game world and real world, etc.  I just like that I can jump and run a heck of a lot more gracefully than I ever can in real life!  LOL  The art is pretty, I get pets, etc, and I try to make a point to be kind to people.    Others use it to use other people, and because they can be someone they like a lot more in the game than they like themselves in real life.  I have seen people like this get really immersed in the game, to the point where they don't really seem to be able to remember that..... it's a game.  Yes, a game filled with real people behind the screens, and the golden rule applies - but still a game.  When the computer shuts off, you're still stuck with yourself, and your conscience.

Unfortunately when talk happens about some of the more seedy aspects of the game, I can too easily see how that happens because I've seen it in game time.  I just try to associate with people more like me who are homebodies or family people.

Also unfortunately, I think some people get a sick kick out of some aspects of role-playing, and I don't think they WANT to differentiate between a game and real life; that might be what happened here.  Or maybe they didn't like it, but dang - they still did it, and how horrible is that????
starwynn, thank-you and I certainly see nothing wrong with playing games on the computer. Matter of fact my son in law worked for a company, and they would answer and help people playing some of these games. Don't ask what games  LOL  when he would explain it, went over my head. I personally don't play them, because I'm terrible at games even board games.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: starwynn on January 08, 2011, 02:24:58 PM
Okay, I bit the bullet and downloaded IMVU.  I know nothing about computers and I have a 3yo Dell and I registered but haven't connected yet.  I have to go to work.  My system can only play PC games and Norton said IMVU was safe if anyone was worried.  I don't know how to navigate any of this stuff so I will have to wait till tonight and have my young one show me.  Don't worry, anything hinky shows up I will quickly ESC and erase! lol
He's a good kid and doesn't like to do wrong.  He's amazing and would make any Mom proud!  I'm only going to get him to show me how to navigate, not play! I do check behind him on the puter to see where he has been and not ONE time has he EVER been somewhere I would consider not child safe.  Dad and I are so, so proud!  Are there any Monkeys willing to go there to meet up with me.  I'm afraid if one doesn't go with me that I won't get very far!  Prolly not a bad thing!

I would do it if you want, if you mean meeting you on IMVU.  I have to say that I'd like to see what the atmosphere is, although I suspect I already know.  But I am wondering if (like WoW) it's sometimes portrayed as all bad, all people hooking up and killing their stepchildren (remember that case in Houston), or if like my experience there are actually a good number of just nice grown ups on there that play and aren't interested in (bad) monkey business.

Not that monkeys are bad.  (grin)

I'll go download it and then we'll figure out how to find one another. 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: starwynn on January 08, 2011, 02:31:25 PM
Thank-you, so many people play all types of those virtual games, and I really don't think much about it. I suppose with everything, movies, TV shows, music, books if you are off balanced to begin with it probably wouldn't take that much to cross over into the non reality.

I play video games, World of Warcraft actually (probably should be game, not games).  I can say, sadly, that there are a lot of people on the games who you can tell are there because they are unable or unwilling to have normal social relationships.  For examples, people say inappropriate things (sometimes innocently), are overcompensating for in-real-life issues, don't know how to relate to people, have mean streaks (very very very often - and I mean want to hurt people personally and get off to that).

To be fair, there are also other people, who like me, prefer to pay 15 dollars for a month's worth of entertainment that doesn't involve driving out where traffic is dangerous (Houston is bad), or risking late night driving particularly when there are a lot of drunks (again, Houston is bad), or have family and want to stick close to home, just like a little escape but know the difference between the game world and real world, etc.  I just like that I can jump and run a heck of a lot more gracefully than I ever can in real life!  LOL  The art is pretty, I get pets, etc, and I try to make a point to be kind to people.    Others use it to use other people, and because they can be someone they like a lot more in the game than they like themselves in real life.  I have seen people like this get really immersed in the game, to the point where they don't really seem to be able to remember that..... it's a game.  Yes, a game filled with real people behind the screens, and the golden rule applies - but still a game.  When the computer shuts off, you're still stuck with yourself, and your conscience.

Unfortunately when talk happens about some of the more seedy aspects of the game, I can too easily see how that happens because I've seen it in game time.  I just try to associate with people more like me who are homebodies or family people.

Also unfortunately, I think some people get a sick kick out of some aspects of role-playing, and I don't think they WANT to differentiate between a game and real life; that might be what happened here.  Or maybe they didn't like it, but dang - they still did it, and how horrible is that????
starwynn, thank-you and I certainly see nothing wrong with playing games on the computer. Matter of fact my son in law worked for a company, and they would answer and help people playing some of these games. Don't ask what games  LOL  when he would explain it, went over my head. I personally don't play them, because I'm terrible at games even board games.

OH yeah, there are good and bad apples in every apple barrel.  Unfortunately, online fantasy game barrels play to the imagination, and that's where I think things go wrong with the type of people who would let things go wrong.  Or young people if they're not pretty mature.  Or apparently old horrible gothmonsters who can't stop hooking up with people.  I bet she loved it - no one could see her, she could lie her head off, and really no one wanted to hear that she was a nasty ol' gothmonster so lying was ok because the other people were probably doing it too.  :(


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: starwynn on January 08, 2011, 02:41:22 PM
About IMVU, I found this website.  It's interesting that it says that there are some violent images in portions.  I guess it's no surprise.  It's definitely NOT being recommended that parents allow their kids to go there by most educator reviews for websites.  Then again, Elisa and her motley crew were (technically) adults.  So...

http://www.commonsensemedia.org/website-reviews/imvu


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on January 08, 2011, 02:53:12 PM
About IMVU, I found this website.  It's interesting that it says that there are some violent images in portions.  I guess it's no surprise.  It's definitely NOT being recommended that parents allow their kids to go there by most educator reviews for websites.  Then again, Elisa and her motley crew were (technically) adults.  So...

http://www.commonsensemedia.org/website-reviews/imvu
I have to say I'm curious about a virtual chainsaw massacre game.  You have to wonder with that and other games who comes up with those ideas. And like anything, if you are a balanced person and realize you are just playing a game great, it is the ones that take it too another level that is frightening. I would imagine for the most part people playing these games wouldn't dream of actually committing a crime.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: starwynn on January 08, 2011, 02:55:33 PM
About IMVU, I found this website.  It's interesting that it says that there are some violent images in portions.  I guess it's no surprise.  It's definitely NOT being recommended that parents allow their kids to go there by most educator reviews for websites.  Then again, Elisa and her motley crew were (technically) adults.  So...

http://www.commonsensemedia.org/website-reviews/imvu
I have to say I'm curious about a virtual chainsaw massacre game.  You have to wonder with that and other games who comes up with those ideas. And like anything, if you are a balanced person and realize you are just playing a game great, it is the ones that take it too another level that is frightening. I would imagine for the most part people playing these games wouldn't dream of actually committing a crime.

Ugh, I have to say so far that all the avatars available uncustomized to start are very very....skanky, to put it mildly.  I chose one because I like her hair, but she has to get new clothes pronto or I might die of a draft.  I am getting a stronger feeling from that, and the introduction page, why alot of people go to this game. :(


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Curly on January 08, 2011, 02:59:59 PM
When there's a "Kill the Baker's game", count me in.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: starwynn on January 08, 2011, 03:05:07 PM
When there's a "Kill the Baker's game", count me in.

LOL  Curly, you always come up with the good zingers!!  :)

OK, Starwynne is now online and ready to add friends.  She also had her highly exposed skin covered up, so maybe there's hope for the thing yet.

You know, at first I was balky at the idea that anyone could get a kick out of the aftermath.  I don't think Adam did.  But now I'm not so sure about Elisa or possibly Aaron, if he was too warped to get away from the woman while he could.  I suppose someone who wanted out of a miserable life badly enough, as Elisa admittedly did, could get really wrapped up in this and lose what little of herself was left.  A chainsaw game.  I think I would only go there (or to this site for that matter even after first glimpse) for the Monkeys, to say what it's like because I'm pretty sure we've all wondered what the heck that was about.  But not on my o wn.  I think dabbling with bad thoughts and ways of thinking make it easier to open the door for those thoughts and habits to stick.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Wyks on January 08, 2011, 05:40:51 PM
When there's a "Kill the Baker's game", count me in.

 ::MonkeyDevil::



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Sister on January 08, 2011, 07:26:42 PM
When there's a "Kill the Baker's game", count me in.

 ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/WEATHER/furby-halo2-1.gif)



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Gypsy DD on January 08, 2011, 09:02:12 PM
Wasn't Sept. 24th the day that the woman at the furniture place saw Zahra? If it was, how could she have died that night from natural causes?

I am pretty sure the furniture store siting was on Sept 25. I questioned that the night the warrants came out. I guess one or the other is not true.

ITA..I thought that she was seen in the furniture store on or near that date.

Also the whole we couldn't take her to a doctor or for medical help because they were in the country illegally doesn't fly with me either.  Why...because she was in school until the end of the school year this past year, she got hearing aids and that was a big published deal..all of this long after their 6 month tourist visas would have expired.

I think that she was being physically and sexually abused by these monsters..and she died from that..which offerred them their chainsaw massacre play.

What sick peices of crap..they belong to the devil now..they need the needle as of yesterday..wait ..is ole Sparky still available?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 08, 2011, 09:03:58 PM
When there's a "Kill the Baker's game", count me in.

(http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/teehee-1.gif) CURLY you are too funny!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Desdemona on January 08, 2011, 10:11:04 PM
http://www.imvu.com/shop/product.php?products_id=833465

"Female Chainsaw Hand" is an IMVU product you can purchase for 939 credits.

The chainsaw hand is called "The Dismemberator."

"Are those darn Zombie hordes gett'n you down? Well put those undead sod's back in their place with the Chainsaw Hand. This handy device will replace your soft, squishy, flesh and blood hand with a carbon steel and plastic undead killing machine, ready to rend necrofied flesh at a moment's notice."



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Desdemona on January 08, 2011, 10:30:41 PM
"Small Pink Bedroom" on the IMVU Products site.

http://www.imvu.com/shop/product.php?products_id=2494516

Looks like Zahra's room.


Also:


"Black Fireplace" (One of many)
http://www.imvu.com/shop/product.php?products_id=5573632


"Live Love Laugh Club" ("Try before you buy, no refunds.")
http://www.imvu.com/shop/product.php?products_id=7372529


"Waterbed" 
http://www.imvu.com/shop/product.php?products_id=3261818


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: slowsouthernrain on January 08, 2011, 10:46:02 PM
"Small Pink Bedroom" on the IMVU Products site.

http://www.imvu.com/shop/product.php?products_id=2494516

Looks like Zahra's room.


Also:


"Black Fireplace" (One of many)
http://www.imvu.com/shop/product.php?products_id=5573632


"Live Love Laugh Club" ("Try before you buy, no refunds.")
http://www.imvu.com/shop/product.php?products_id=7372529


"Waterbed" 
http://www.imvu.com/shop/product.php?products_id=3261818


Now this is just TOO FREAKY after seeing the pics from inside their house...Good Lord I am stunned


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Desdemona on January 08, 2011, 11:13:35 PM
Me too.


I searched "IMVU" and "Dismember" and found that the IMVU Role Players are none to happy with the ill will which this case has apparently generated towards them and their site.

(Discussion thread at IMVU:)

http://www.imvu.com/catalog/modules.php?op=modload&name=phpbb2&file=viewtopic.php&t=359648&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Desdemona on January 08, 2011, 11:16:20 PM
And a message to the IMVU community from their CEO:

http://www.imvu.com/catalog/modules.php?op=modload&name=phpbb2&file=viewtopic.php&p=8782836#8782836

Text of message is as follows.

-------

(Posted by) varsha
IMVU Staff Member IMVU Moderator


Joined: 01 Feb 2010
Posts: 928
Location: USA - CA
   
PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 5:23 pm    Post subject:    Reply with quote
Here is an official statement from CaryJay - IMVU's CEO related to this topic:

"We are deeply saddened by this tragedy and our hearts go out to Zahra Baker’s loved ones.

Online safety within IMVU is a top priority, with an officer of the company overseeing and managing safety concerns. When IMVU was first contacted by the police authorities regarding this case, we gave them our immediate and complete cooperation. In response to a subpoena, IMVU shared all the relevant information available. We continue to standby, available to assist authorities in this investigation.

Out of respect for the ongoing police investigation, we cannot comment further on this case."

- Cary Rosenzweig, CEO of IMVU, Inc.
_________________


(Apologies if this has already been posted in Zahra's thread.)


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Desdemona on January 08, 2011, 11:18:59 PM
And also, found one IMVU member's avatar page containing "dismemberment" material.

http://avatars.imvu.com/g3nn3vi3

If you search the page itself  for the word "Dismember," there are several instances, all from a text with chapters (from a book?) about how to kill the undead.

No idea who this member is, but the subject matter is chilling anyway.

-------------------------------------------------------

THE VAMPIRE
HIS KITH AND KIN
by Montague Summers
London, K. Paul Trench, Trubner [1928]

[..]

The only way to prevent the increase of these dangerous spirit folk is by depriving the body of its limbs, a precaution which must be taken immediately after death. So it is customary to sever the arms and legs from the trunk and to cut the tongue out of the mouth, in order that the spirit may have no power either of movement or of speech, since the mutilation of the corpse has rendered a ghost, who would

{p. 12}

assuredly be both powerful and truculent, inoperative and incapable.[11] It will later be seen that the mutilation, the cutting off of the head, and especially the driving of a stake through the body with other dismemberments, were resorted to as the most effective means, short of complete cremation, of dealing with a vampire[...]


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Brandi on January 09, 2011, 12:26:16 AM
"Small Pink Bedroom" on the IMVU Products site.

http://www.imvu.com/shop/product.php?products_id=2494516

Looks like Zahra's room.


Also:


"Black Fireplace" (One of many)
http://www.imvu.com/shop/product.php?products_id=5573632


"Live Love Laugh Club" ("Try before you buy, no refunds.")
http://www.imvu.com/shop/product.php?products_id=7372529


"Waterbed" 
http://www.imvu.com/shop/product.php?products_id=3261818

Images from the site that Desi posted:

"Small Pink Bedroom"
(http://userimages01-akm.imvu.com/productdata/images_276bc37c811fd1d225d4d72fc8010250.gif)

"Black Fireplace"
(http://userimages01-akm.imvu.com/productdata/images_6363eda3392a030e762bedcf8753a72a.gif)

"Waterbed"
(http://userimages04-akm.imvu.com/productdata/images_abc856a2df6be4e7766c2a6f0ce384cf.jpg)

I agree, many similarities, Desi.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: starwynn on January 09, 2011, 01:28:31 AM
http://www.imvu.com/shop/product.php?products_id=833465

"Female Chainsaw Hand" is an IMVU product you can purchase for 939 credits.

The chainsaw hand is called "The Dismemberator."

"Are those darn Zombie hordes gett'n you down? Well put those undead sod's back in their place with the Chainsaw Hand. This handy device will replace your soft, squishy, flesh and blood hand with a carbon steel and plastic undead killing machine, ready to rend necrofied flesh at a moment's notice."


Yeah, I went there and looked around.  The whole place was just creepy.  My boyfriend watched as I set up Starwynne (who did have remarkably cute hair), and then just creepy people talk to you.  In creepy rooms.  It's unreal.  The first guy I talked to kissed me and then slugged me.  I thought "wow!"

It's just real enough to get lost in it, and I think that's the problem.  I'm going right now to delete my account.

BF's opinion of the site was, first, "no way am I going on that ", and he said that he felt it encourages predators.  He said it seems like a place for doing things you wouldn't dare do in real life.  When I asked him "healthy things?" he looked at me like I was crazy, and said "No! Unhealthy!"  I have to agree.  He thinks it would be easy for behavior in extremes to be encouraged there, and I do, too. 

The account will be deleted.  IMhumble and non professional opinion, I could see a link for the site, what they did, and what they did the next 2 days.  :(   Being a "gamer", I never ever ever would have thought that before.  Of course, it's not the game - it's the people.  But I think this game sure doesn't encourage healthy relationships or ways of thinking.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Wildingheart on January 09, 2011, 05:17:22 AM
I joined IMVU shortly after Zahra's death because I was curious. I haven't chatted in years and don't even have any IM program on my computer.

That is one creepy entity, IMVU. I've been there for months and have still not chatted. I've gone into a chat room maybe 3 times but always bail out shortly after going in. I've received like 900 friend's requests but never accept them and someone is always sending me a private chat request but I don't respond.

What I have gotten caught up is designing rooms and I've spent several hundred dollars buying credits so I can buy furniture. I love designing anything and it's really cool the way you can shop and decorate your room.

I buy a basic room and stuff it with furniture (antiques). Nobody has ever been in one of my rooms, I just make them and go on to the next one. The whole room scenario reminds me of Colorforms from childhood.

During my shopping sprees I have seen some really freaky stuff for sale, as well as rooms. Bondage, vampires, beastiality, etc.

I'm Soularstar on IMVU, btw. Soul with a u. I've never played any sort of computer games or online ones, or poker but I suppose the designing thing is a game of sorts, for me.

From what I have seen, just by sitting alone and shopping, there is no way I would ever have a relationship (of any kind) with anyone that participates in that site. And I can't even fathom becoming romantically involved.

The few times I've been in a chat room I don't stay but a second. And all the rooms are freaky crap. I've actually searched for a room with a decent theme and there isn't any. I finally stopped looking a few days after joining.

I've had friend that were gamers and they were intelligent, respectable people and I have nothing against games. IMVU is a scary thing though. It seems to me like the cesspool of the net.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: mizjay on January 09, 2011, 10:31:50 AM
And also, found one IMVU member's avatar page containing "dismemberment" material.

http://avatars.imvu.com/g3nn3vi3

If you search the page itself  for the word "Dismember," there are several instances, all from a text with chapters (from a book?) about how to kill the undead.

No idea who this member is, but the subject matter is chilling anyway.

-------------------------------------------------------

THE VAMPIRE
HIS KITH AND KIN
by Montague Summers
London, K. Paul Trench, Trubner [1928]

[..]

The only way to prevent the increase of these dangerous spirit folk is by depriving the body of its limbs, a precaution which must be taken immediately after death. So it is customary to sever the arms and legs from the trunk and to cut the tongue out of the mouth, in order that the spirit may have no power either of movement or of speech, since the mutilation of the corpse has rendered a ghost, who would

{p. 12}

assuredly be both powerful and truculent, inoperative and incapable.[11] It will later be seen that the mutilation, the cutting off of the head, and especially the driving of a stake through the body with other dismemberments, were resorted to as the most effective means, short of complete cremation, of dealing with a vampire[...]

Wow, that's stunning when it's compared to what happened in real life. Thank you for the research. I hope you do not mind that I copied this and shared it at another site.
It's the big question....why would ANYONE think of dismembering a loved one (or even a stranger)...what you posted mirrors what Zahra's body ended up like so it's not a stretch to see how those brutes would have even thought about this.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: pfaubush on January 09, 2011, 11:55:23 AM
Ugh, I downloaded it just to see what the hype was about and found that I couldn't open it while my kids were in the room. I figured if the kids couldn't walk past and see it, I didn't need to see it either. So, I uninstalled it immediately.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 09, 2011, 01:35:11 PM
And also, found one IMVU member's avatar page containing "dismemberment" material.

http://avatars.imvu.com/g3nn3vi3

If you search the page itself  for the word "Dismember," there are several instances, all from a text with chapters (from a book?) about how to kill the undead.

No idea who this member is, but the subject matter is chilling anyway.

-------------------------------------------------------

THE VAMPIRE
HIS KITH AND KIN
by Montague Summers
London, K. Paul Trench, Trubner [1928]

[..]

The only way to prevent the increase of these dangerous spirit folk is by depriving the body of its limbs, a precaution which must be taken immediately after death. So it is customary to sever the arms and legs from the trunk and to cut the tongue out of the mouth, in order that the spirit may have no power either of movement or of speech, since the mutilation of the corpse has rendered a ghost, who would

{p. 12}

assuredly be both powerful and truculent, inoperative and incapable.[11] It will later be seen that the mutilation, the cutting off of the head, and especially the driving of a stake through the body with other dismemberments, were resorted to as the most effective means, short of complete cremation, of dealing with a vampire[...]

Wow, that's stunning when it's compared to what happened in real life. Thank you for the research. I hope you do not mind that I copied this and shared it at another site.
It's the big question....why would ANYONE think of dismembering a loved one (or even a stranger)...what you posted mirrors what Zahra's body ended up like so it's not a stretch to see how those brutes would have even thought about this.

Was Zahra's tongue cut from her head? I don't think we have heard anything about it, but it wouldn't surprise me. If it was, I think it would speak to motive. If Zahra died from natural causes, and they weren't trying to remove parts from an evil person. I think it would show they though Zahra was an impediment to their lives. She was not a beloved love one.   ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: starwynn on January 09, 2011, 01:44:52 PM
And also, found one IMVU member's avatar page containing "dismemberment" material.

http://avatars.imvu.com/g3nn3vi3

If you search the page itself  for the word "Dismember," there are several instances, all from a text with chapters (from a book?) about how to kill the undead.

No idea who this member is, but the subject matter is chilling anyway.

-------------------------------------------------------

THE VAMPIRE
HIS KITH AND KIN
by Montague Summers
London, K. Paul Trench, Trubner [1928]

[..]

The only way to prevent the increase of these dangerous spirit folk is by depriving the body of its limbs, a precaution which must be taken immediately after death. So it is customary to sever the arms and legs from the trunk and to cut the tongue out of the mouth, in order that the spirit may have no power either of movement or of speech, since the mutilation of the corpse has rendered a ghost, who would

{p. 12}

assuredly be both powerful and truculent, inoperative and incapable.[11] It will later be seen that the mutilation, the cutting off of the head, and especially the driving of a stake through the body with other dismemberments, were resorted to as the most effective means, short of complete cremation, of dealing with a vampire[...]

Wow, that's stunning when it's compared to what happened in real life. Thank you for the research. I hope you do not mind that I copied this and shared it at another site.
It's the big question....why would ANYONE think of dismembering a loved one (or even a stranger)...what you posted mirrors what Zahra's body ended up like so it's not a stretch to see how those brutes would have even thought about this.

Was Zahra's tongue cut from her head? I don't think we have heard anything about it, but it wouldn't surprise me. If it was, I think it would speak to motive. If Zahra died from natural causes, and they weren't trying to remove parts from an evil person. I think it would show they though Zahra was an impediment to their lives. She was not a beloved love one.   ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::

I remember there was some scuttlebutt after the immediate discovery of the big grave that possibly her head was removed from the rest of the body.  Remember they were making a bit to-do about the big hole and the smaller hole?  Was there ever any verification on what of Zahra was found in that hole?  Probably nothing said yet, right?

I think now by Elisa's accounts we have verification of the limb removal, or am I remembering that incorrectly? 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 09, 2011, 01:55:47 PM
And also, found one IMVU member's avatar page containing "dismemberment" material.

http://avatars.imvu.com/g3nn3vi3

If you search the page itself  for the word "Dismember," there are several instances, all from a text with chapters (from a book?) about how to kill the undead.

No idea who this member is, but the subject matter is chilling anyway.

-------------------------------------------------------

THE VAMPIRE
HIS KITH AND KIN
by Montague Summers
London, K. Paul Trench, Trubner [1928]

[..]

The only way to prevent the increase of these dangerous spirit folk is by depriving the body of its limbs, a precaution which must be taken immediately after death. So it is customary to sever the arms and legs from the trunk and to cut the tongue out of the mouth, in order that the spirit may have no power either of movement or of speech, since the mutilation of the corpse has rendered a ghost, who would

{p. 12}

assuredly be both powerful and truculent, inoperative and incapable.[11] It will later be seen that the mutilation, the cutting off of the head, and especially the driving of a stake through the body with other dismemberments, were resorted to as the most effective means, short of complete cremation, of dealing with a vampire[...]

Wow, that's stunning when it's compared to what happened in real life. Thank you for the research. I hope you do not mind that I copied this and shared it at another site.
It's the big question....why would ANYONE think of dismembering a loved one (or even a stranger)...what you posted mirrors what Zahra's body ended up like so it's not a stretch to see how those brutes would have even thought about this.

Was Zahra's tongue cut from her head? I don't think we have heard anything about it, but it wouldn't surprise me. If it was, I think it would speak to motive. If Zahra died from natural causes, and they weren't trying to remove parts from an evil person. I think it would show they though Zahra was an impediment to their lives. She was not a beloved love one.   ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::

I remember there was some scuttlebutt after the immediate discovery of the big grave that possibly her head was removed from the rest of the body.  Remember they were making a bit to-do about the big hole and the smaller hole?  Was there ever any verification on what of Zahra was found in that hole?  Probably nothing said yet, right?

I think now by Elisa's accounts we have verification of the limb removal, or am I remembering that incorrectly? 

I don't remember anything official but I think we speculated it was Zahra's head in the smaller hole.  ::MonkeyWaa::

I think the information about the scattering of remains and finding her prosthesis, I think the locations were gotten from Elisa.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 09, 2011, 02:02:52 PM
I remember we were speculating about what might have been in the smaller hole, but I don't recall ever seeing anything official as to what was found in it, if anything.  So darned sad even having to consider, isn't it?   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Curly on January 09, 2011, 02:02:57 PM
There's been no official confirmation of that.
Reading about the tongue, I wondered the same thing.
That IMVU sounds like a horrible site.
I'm pretty brave as far as exploring the web goes, but that's just way too creepy, and I have enough trouble sleeping as it is.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: mizjay on January 09, 2011, 02:11:54 PM
I remember we were speculating about what might have been in the smaller hole, but I don't recall ever seeing anything official as to what was found in it, if anything.  So darned sad even having to consider, isn't it?   ::MonkeyNoNo::

It's one of the saddest things ever. Bad enough her father allowed her to go without medical checks, school and to be a virtual prisoner in her own "home" but to be dumped and mutilated like that........both of them should be hung or....fill in the blank


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: mizjay on January 09, 2011, 02:18:04 PM
 Fannymae~ I believe Curly is right. NOT confirmed about the tongue or head, in fact I can't remember if exactly which parts were found were revealed or even if all of her was found. That's an awful sentence to write.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 09, 2011, 02:34:42 PM
Fannymae~ I believe Curly is right. NOT confirmed about the tongue or head, in fact I can't remember if exactly which parts were found were revealed or even if all of her was found. That's an awful sentence to write.

I was really amazed LE was able to find as much as they did, owing to the lapse of about four weeks before they were able to look. Several things were put into dumpsters, and surely they were dumped at least a few times during that time period. I doubt if they found all of her either.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: mizjay on January 09, 2011, 02:41:37 PM
Fannymae~ I believe Curly is right. NOT confirmed about the tongue or head, in fact I can't remember if exactly which parts were found were revealed or even if all of her was found. That's an awful sentence to write.

I was really amazed LE was able to find as much as they did, owing to the lapse of about four weeks before they were able to look. Several things were put into dumpsters, and surely they were dumped at least a few times during that time period. I doubt if they found all of her either.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Odd isn't it that she was able to be found by Elisa? No doubt she is a crazy mean b*tch but it just chaps me when there are those that want to paint Adam as some befuddled dimwit that knew nothing, borrowing Ron Cummings "i was at work" excuse. The child was neglected, beaten and isolated and he stands mum. I hold him more responsible than her. I hope to God LE finds enough evidence to throw him in one of our fine prisons where he belongs.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 09, 2011, 04:22:05 PM
Fannymae~ I believe Curly is right. NOT confirmed about the tongue or head, in fact I can't remember if exactly which parts were found were revealed or even if all of her was found. That's an awful sentence to write.

I was really amazed LE was able to find as much as they did, owing to the lapse of about four weeks before they were able to look. Several things were put into dumpsters, and surely they were dumped at least a few times during that time period. I doubt if they found all of her either.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Odd isn't it that she was able to be found by Elisa? No doubt she is a crazy mean b*tch but it just chaps me when there are those that want to paint Adam as some befuddled dimwit that knew nothing, borrowing Ron Cummings "i was at work" excuse. The child was neglected, beaten and isolated and he stands mum. I hold him more responsible than her. I hope to God LE finds enough evidence to throw him in one of our fine prisons where he belongs.

I hope he is paranoid as he*l, and can't leave his apartment because of fear for himself.  ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: mizjay on January 09, 2011, 05:06:16 PM
Fannymae~ I believe Curly is right. NOT confirmed about the tongue or head, in fact I can't remember if exactly which parts were found were revealed or even if all of her was found. That's an awful sentence to write.

I was really amazed LE was able to find as much as they did, owing to the lapse of about four weeks before they were able to look. Several things were put into dumpsters, and surely they were dumped at least a few times during that time period. I doubt if they found all of her either.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Odd isn't it that she was able to be found by Elisa? No doubt she is a crazy mean b*tch but it just chaps me when there are those that want to paint Adam as some befuddled dimwit that knew nothing, borrowing Ron Cummings "i was at work" excuse. The child was neglected, beaten and isolated and he stands mum. I hold him more responsible than her. I hope to God LE finds enough evidence to throw him in one of our fine prisons where he belongs.

I hope he is paranoid as he*l, and can't leave his apartment because of fear for himself.  ::MonkeyMad::
Well, since he has his apron string firmly attached to his momsy now he probably feels empowered. When she was rubbing his arm during that one interview it creeped me out. Her and Sindy...caressing, rubbing, hugging...shesh   


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: melisb on January 09, 2011, 08:12:27 PM
Well folks, I downloaded imvu, cant remember my password, it won't email me correctly to fix it and I guess I had just better uninstall also.  Think someone is trying to tell me something other than I'ma real idget when it comes to the computer!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: statru on January 09, 2011, 09:49:22 PM
I knew where they found her was close to my house, but I was out on my motorcycle the other day, and the route I ride...I rode right by there, not realizing THAT was the spot. It chilled me to see that little memorial there...only about 5 miles from my house. It was a whole new level of horror to see that. The piles of dirt where they dug the holes. For some reason the whole close proximity of it, brought a whole new level of sadness.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: mizjay on January 09, 2011, 11:41:47 PM
I knew where they found her was close to my house, but I was out on my motorcycle the other day, and the route I ride...I rode right by there, not realizing THAT was the spot. It chilled me to see that little memorial there...only about 5 miles from my house. It was a whole new level of horror to see that. The piles of dirt where they dug the holes. For some reason the whole close proximity of it, brought a whole new level of sadness.

Statru~ was wondering..where she was found near your house, can a person park off the road, on the edge or like way off the road to get to that spot? is that the spot where she was "buried" or one of the other spots?  I'm trying  to figure out did they dig this at night or during the day. Could they be seen from road, that kind of thing?  Thanks if you can answer.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: starwynn on January 10, 2011, 12:45:24 AM
I knew where they found her was close to my house, but I was out on my motorcycle the other day, and the route I ride...I rode right by there, not realizing THAT was the spot. It chilled me to see that little memorial there...only about 5 miles from my house. It was a whole new level of horror to see that. The piles of dirt where they dug the holes. For some reason the whole close proximity of it, brought a whole new level of sadness.

Statru~ was wondering..where she was found near your house, can a person park off the road, on the edge or like way off the road to get to that spot? is that the spot where she was "buried" or one of the other spots?  I'm trying  to figure out did they dig this at night or during the day. Could they be seen from road, that kind of thing?  Thanks if you can answer.

I'm not Statru, but I noticed that the owner put up piles of dirt in what looked like the ending of a sort of drive going into that area.  The road ends, and to me it looked like maybe you could have tucked a car back in there - or just backed one up to the woods a bit if you h ad something in the trunk. :(

Horrible, huh?  I'm glad at least you can remember her (and her smile) as you pass by the place so she won't be forgotten.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: mizjay on January 10, 2011, 12:54:11 AM
I knew where they found her was close to my house, but I was out on my motorcycle the other day, and the route I ride...I rode right by there, not realizing THAT was the spot. It chilled me to see that little memorial there...only about 5 miles from my house. It was a whole new level of horror to see that. The piles of dirt where they dug the holes. For some reason the whole close proximity of it, brought a whole new level of sadness.

Statru~ was wondering..where she was found near your house, can a person park off the road, on the edge or like way off the road to get to that spot? is that the spot where she was "buried" or one of the other spots?  I'm trying  to figure out did they dig this at night or during the day. Could they be seen from road, that kind of thing?  Thanks if you can answer.

 

I'm not Statru, but I noticed that the owner put up piles of dirt in what looked like the ending of a sort of drive going into that area.  The road ends, and to me it looked like maybe you could have tucked a car back in there - or just backed one up to the woods a bit if you h ad something in the trunk. :(

Horrible, huh?  I'm glad at least you can remember her (and her smile) as you pass by the place so she won't be forgotten.
Thanks a lot.  The whole thing is like a horror movie.  She won't be forgotten by anyone of us and especially ya'll who live so close. I hope the garden at the school is beautiful in the spring.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: statru on January 10, 2011, 01:36:52 AM
 its right there at  a very wooded area. If they were there at night, probably no one would have noticed. Esp a dark color vehicle.


wynn...where are you?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on January 10, 2011, 10:25:45 AM
This was from a post from HM.  So, he did have a search warrant served to get his info from IMVU.
"Aaron
Obviously you alll are not as smart as yall think you are! I guess 98% of the people that posted on this discussion topic is Extremely Highly Educated since you all THINK you know what your talking about. Funny thing is theres not 1 person on this topic that knows me personally or anyone else thats close to this investigation. I have faith in our law enforcement and they ARE gonna get the right person or persons that was involved in this. Its hilarious though because those search warrants was to get all my information off of my IMVU acct (which I havent been on in a long long time). There was a person called the police and told them the IMVU story which is why they got the search warrants so that they could check in to it. I quit posting because people were getting so stupid and asking the same questions over and over and over again.

As for Cathy Deal Peters, well, I dont owe you or anyone else an explanation of anything. I gave the police (on my own, they hadnt even asked for it) my cell phone to get any information they needed off of it. And I think its funny cause Elisa didnt even have my phone number. And Cathy please send me the copy of my post that you claim I said i hadnt seen ZAHRA since february. There again people DONT KNOW what they talking about because I never said that. Zahra was with my (ex) step daughter when we all went swimming in august. I been in Elisas biological kids lives for a very long time and I still (and always will) be there step dad. It dont matter wether or not you all think I shouldnt be in there lives or not I will be there for them till the end of time. Theyve always stood by my side and Ill always be by there side, After all it was there mother that took off to australia and left them here alone! So if it makes you feel better to keep posting stupid BS then keep posting, it doesnt bother me any more."
......
I haven't gone to the FB sites recently as I have been ill , just with a nasty sinus cold infection thing, makes me tired and dumb.





Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on January 10, 2011, 10:29:33 AM
KB was still posting on FB, but a person could do that from anywhere. She is still talking about how Adam got the passport for Zahra and of course he did no wrong there either.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 10, 2011, 11:09:59 AM
KB was still posting on FB, but a person could do that from anywhere. She is still talking about how Adam got the passport for Zahra and of course he did no wrong there either.

Can you tell if mom is still in the States or has she gone back to Australia?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 10, 2011, 11:30:21 AM
This was from a post from HM.  So, he did have a search warrant served to get his info from IMVU.
"Aaron
Obviously you alll are not as smart as yall think you are! I guess 98% of the people that posted on this discussion topic is Extremely Highly Educated since you all THINK you know what your talking about. Funny thing is theres not 1 person on this topic that knows me personally or anyone else thats close to this investigation. I have faith in our law enforcement and they ARE gonna get the right person or persons that was involved in this. Its hilarious though because those search warrants was to get all my information off of my IMVU acct (which I havent been on in a long long time). There was a person called the police and told them the IMVU story which is why they got the search warrants so that they could check in to it. I quit posting because people were getting so stupid and asking the same questions over and over and over again.

As for Cathy Deal Peters, well, I dont owe you or anyone else an explanation of anything. I gave the police (on my own, they hadnt even asked for it) my cell phone to get any information they needed off of it. And I think its funny cause Elisa didnt even have my phone number. And Cathy please send me the copy of my post that you claim I said i hadnt seen ZAHRA since february. There again people DONT KNOW what they talking about because I never said that. Zahra was with my (ex) step daughter when we all went swimming in august. I been in Elisas biological kids lives for a very long time and I still (and always will) be there step dad. It dont matter wether or not you all think I shouldnt be in there lives or not I will be there for them till the end of time. Theyve always stood by my side and Ill always be by there side, After all it was there mother that took off to australia and left them here alone! So if it makes you feel better to keep posting stupid BS then keep posting, it doesnt bother me any more."
......
I haven't gone to the FB sites recently as I have been ill , just with a nasty sinus cold infection thing, makes me tired and dumb.


Hope you feel better Kat.  He was on a roll

HIM
I never said Zahra was my step daughter, Amber and Brittany are my step daughters. And the search warrants was to get info from the imvu accounts to SEE if i was on there, I dont know where adam is and i dont care its none of my business where he is.

HIM
I dont really care what yall believe and I dont have any explaining to do to anybody. Its funny everyone believes what the media says and the media cant even get it right. we were married in 98 not 99 and i found out in all this that she wasnt divorced from her previous husband when we were married. Have fun playing sherlock holmes but yall arent very good at it but we will all pretend you are. Peoples gonna feel really stupid when this case is finally over.

HIM
OMG If you will look at my post i said I FOUND OUT DURING ALL THIS! No Im not calling LE liars. They didnt release thier FINDINGS, They released the search warrants, you know the pieces of paper that says they can get information. Then they look at evidence recieved FROM the search Warrants. I mean peoples goin feel stupid when its OVER. I WILL tell you however that I feel stupid and I feel guilty for not killing the bitch(ELISA) before her and whoever else did this to zahra.


http://tinyurl.com/2bsc8zg


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: starwynn on January 10, 2011, 01:38:15 PM
This was from a post from HM.  So, he did have a search warrant served to get his info from IMVU.
"Aaron
Obviously you alll are not as smart as yall think you are! I guess 98% of the people that posted on this discussion topic is Extremely Highly Educated since you all THINK you know what your talking about. Funny thing is theres not 1 person on this topic that knows me personally or anyone else thats close to this investigation. I have faith in our law enforcement and they ARE gonna get the right person or persons that was involved in this. Its hilarious though because those search warrants was to get all my information off of my IMVU acct (which I havent been on in a long long time). There was a person called the police and told them the IMVU story which is why they got the search warrants so that they could check in to it. I quit posting because people were getting so stupid and asking the same questions over and over and over again.

As for Cathy Deal Peters, well, I dont owe you or anyone else an explanation of anything. I gave the police (on my own, they hadnt even asked for it) my cell phone to get any information they needed off of it. And I think its funny cause Elisa didnt even have my phone number. And Cathy please send me the copy of my post that you claim I said i hadnt seen ZAHRA since february. There again people DONT KNOW what they talking about because I never said that. Zahra was with my (ex) step daughter when we all went swimming in august. I been in Elisas biological kids lives for a very long time and I still (and always will) be there step dad. It dont matter wether or not you all think I shouldnt be in there lives or not I will be there for them till the end of time. Theyve always stood by my side and Ill always be by there side, After all it was there mother that took off to australia and left them here alone! So if it makes you feel better to keep posting stupid BS then keep posting, it doesnt bother me any more."
......
I haven't gone to the FB sites recently as I have been ill , just with a nasty sinus cold infection thing, makes me tired and dumb.





Wow, interesting.  Always will be their step dad, huh?

Kat Gram, sorry to hear about your sinus infection/cold.  Have you ever tried doing the sinus flush thing?  I had a  whacking sinus infection for about a month, really horrible and smelled like death.  I couldn't do anything to get rid of it.  Then I did the sinus flush thing -wow, it was gone within a week!  I have an aunt that swears by it, but had just never done it.  It realyl helps.  I hope you feel better soon!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: starwynn on January 10, 2011, 01:40:26 PM
This was from a post from HM.  So, he did have a search warrant served to get his info from IMVU.
"Aaron
Obviously you alll are not as smart as yall think you are! I guess 98% of the people that posted on this discussion topic is Extremely Highly Educated since you all THINK you know what your talking about. Funny thing is theres not 1 person on this topic that knows me personally or anyone else thats close to this investigation. I have faith in our law enforcement and they ARE gonna get the right person or persons that was involved in this. Its hilarious though because those search warrants was to get all my information off of my IMVU acct (which I havent been on in a long long time). There was a person called the police and told them the IMVU story which is why they got the search warrants so that they could check in to it. I quit posting because people were getting so stupid and asking the same questions over and over and over again.

As for Cathy Deal Peters, well, I dont owe you or anyone else an explanation of anything. I gave the police (on my own, they hadnt even asked for it) my cell phone to get any information they needed off of it. And I think its funny cause Elisa didnt even have my phone number. And Cathy please send me the copy of my post that you claim I said i hadnt seen ZAHRA since february. There again people DONT KNOW what they talking about because I never said that. Zahra was with my (ex) step daughter when we all went swimming in august. I been in Elisas biological kids lives for a very long time and I still (and always will) be there step dad. It dont matter wether or not you all think I shouldnt be in there lives or not I will be there for them till the end of time. Theyve always stood by my side and Ill always be by there side, After all it was there mother that took off to australia and left them here alone! So if it makes you feel better to keep posting stupid BS then keep posting, it doesnt bother me any more."
......
I haven't gone to the FB sites recently as I have been ill , just with a nasty sinus cold infection thing, makes me tired and dumb.


Hope you feel better Kat.  He was on a roll

HIM
I never said Zahra was my step daughter, Amber and Brittany are my step daughters. And the search warrants was to get info from the imvu accounts to SEE if i was on there, I dont know where adam is and i dont care its none of my business where he is.

HIM
I dont really care what yall believe and I dont have any explaining to do to anybody. Its funny everyone believes what the media says and the media cant even get it right. we were married in 98 not 99 and i found out in all this that she wasnt divorced from her previous husband when we were married. Have fun playing sherlock holmes but yall arent very good at it but we will all pretend you are. Peoples gonna feel really stupid when this case is finally over.

HIM
OMG If you will look at my post i said I FOUND OUT DURING ALL THIS! No Im not calling LE liars. They didnt release thier FINDINGS, They released the search warrants, you know the pieces of paper that says they can get information. Then they look at evidence recieved FROM the search Warrants. I mean peoples goin feel stupid when its OVER. I WILL tell you however that I feel stupid and I feel guilty for not killing the bitch(ELISA) before her and whoever else did this to zahra.


http://tinyurl.com/2bsc8zg

Wow, wow, and wow.  First, the "I feel guilty for not killing..."   Well that's nice.  People implicate him in a murder, and he shows that he has the will to kill.  Lovely.  Oh and the irony of this statement  "Peoples gonna feel really stupid when this case is finally over."   A doozey.



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: starwynn on January 10, 2011, 01:42:00 PM
OK, not the greatest news source.  Old article.  But I had seen something mentioned about tasers before; possibly on the search warrants, things they had collected?  I can't recall offhand.  Here's the article:  http://www2.journalnow.com/news/2010/nov/01/stepmother-abused-her-neighbors-say-ar-499832/

And here's the quote that concerns me:
"The couple went home and gave Elisa Baker the money she was owed, but she demanded more, they said. She and Adam Baker threatened the couple with Tasers, according to the arrest warrant."

Thoughts?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 10, 2011, 02:00:04 PM
Warrants: Zahra Baker's Parents Created "Chainsaw Massacre" With Online Family

HICKORY, N.C. --
Recently unsealed court documents show Zahra Baker's father, Adam and stepmother, Elisa, had a virtual family on a website called imvu.com. It's a site where you create a 3D version of yourself and chat with people.

Records show the Bakers were married in the game and then 2 days before Zahra disappeared killed their family in a sort of "chainsaw massacre."

So far, no one has been charged in Zahra's death. Elisa Baker is in jail on charges of obstructing the investigation.

http://www2.wspa.com/news/2011/jan/08/warrants-zahras-baker-created-chainsaw-massacre-on-ar-1318434/


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: klaasend on January 10, 2011, 02:05:14 PM
Not normally a problem in this thread but we are just posting this reminder:

REMINDER:  WE REQUIRE WHEN POSTING A QUOTE OF AN ARTICLE OR EVEN ANOTHER POSTER THAT YOU EITHER SUPPLY THE LINK OR QUOTE THE POST.  PLEASE DON'T JUST SAY "ACCORDING TO", OR "I READ".  WE ALWAYS WANT A LINK BACK TO THE SOURCE.  WE HAVE NOTICED RECENTLY PEOPLE HAVE BEEN NEGLECTING TO DO SO.  THANKS!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: cookie on January 10, 2011, 02:52:01 PM
o/t Starwyn..what is the sinus flush thing?
can you answer me on Musings or on the JSM thread..thanks....


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: mizjay on January 10, 2011, 03:36:16 PM
OK, not the greatest news source.  Old article.  But I had seen something mentioned about tasers before; possibly on the search warrants, things they had collected?  I can't recall offhand.  Here's the article:  http://www2.journalnow.com/news/2010/nov/01/stepmother-abused-her-neighbors-say-ar-499832/

And here's the quote that concerns me:
"The couple went home and gave Elisa Baker the money she was owed, but she demanded more, they said. She and Adam Baker threatened the couple with Tasers, according to the arrest warrant."

Thoughts?
My thought is it confirms that Adam is a player in the counter culture lifestyle willingly.
Elisa and Adam were equipped with more than one taser and used violent threats to get money.
Zahra wasn't mentioned, so where was she?
They're both POSs


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on January 10, 2011, 05:27:46 PM
Somone sent me his FB postings, they grabbed it from HM. Sorry. I am not thinking clearly.
...
DD was talking to me about the netti pot sinus flush, might do it. 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: cookie on January 10, 2011, 06:42:12 PM
Somone sent me his FB postings, they grabbed it from HM. Sorry. I am not thinking clearly.
...
DD was talking to me about the netti pot sinus flush, might do it. 

let me know the info on that sinus flush..hubs is having problems again!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: starwynn on January 10, 2011, 07:15:14 PM
Warrants: Zahra Baker's Parents Created "Chainsaw Massacre" With Online Family

HICKORY, N.C. --
Recently unsealed court documents show Zahra Baker's father, Adam and stepmother, Elisa, had a virtual family on a website called imvu.com. It's a site where you create a 3D version of yourself and chat with people.

Records show the Bakers were married in the game and then 2 days before Zahra disappeared killed their family in a sort of "chainsaw massacre."

So far, no one has been charged in Zahra's death. Elisa Baker is in jail on charges of obstructing the investigation.

http://www2.wspa.com/news/2011/jan/08/warrants-zahras-baker-created-chainsaw-massacre-on-ar-1318434/

Wow, I was reading the thing about the chainsaw massacre completely differently before. I didn't realize that, virtually, they murdered their FAMILY with chainsaws in the IMVU game.  WTHeck????  I had been reading it as if, as a family, they participated in an online massacre.  For example, I thought maybe it was The Bakers versus a bunch of zombies, or against another team perhaps. 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: starwynn on January 10, 2011, 07:57:25 PM
OK, not the greatest news source.  Old article.  But I had seen something mentioned about tasers before; possibly on the search warrants, things they had collected?  I can't recall offhand.  Here's the article:  http://www2.journalnow.com/news/2010/nov/01/stepmother-abused-her-neighbors-say-ar-499832/

And here's the quote that concerns me:
"The couple went home and gave Elisa Baker the money she was owed, but she demanded more, they said. She and Adam Baker threatened the couple with Tasers, according to the arrest warrant."

Thoughts?

OK, I went back because I really wanted to be able to say where I had seen previous mention of tasers and in what context.  What I found were the references to accusations where Adam AND Elisa were both accused of threatening others with bodily harm and with Tasers.  In one accusation, a child's life is threatened.  These are "claims".  I don't know if these cases are currently open (the claims were from May 13), or if they were dismissed, or what happened with them.  I'm still looking stuff up.

Source: http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/nov/12/adam-and-elisa-baker-no-shows-court-appearance-ar-549155/
Excerpt:  "The couple went home and gave Elisa Baker the money she was owed, but she demanded more. She and Adam threatened the couple with Tasers, according to the arrest warrant."

Source: http://www.altoonamirror.com/page/content.detail/id/120331/Police-treating-missing-NC-girl-case-as-homicide-.html?isap=1&nav=759
Excerpt: "Caldwell County Court records show that Bentley filed a complaint May 13 against Elisa Baker, claiming she threatened to kill her and her 7-month-old daughter in a dispute over money. She said Elisa Baker threatened them with a taser and a gun, and Bentley feared for their lives."



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: starwynn on January 10, 2011, 08:00:36 PM
OK, not the greatest news source.  Old article.  But I had seen something mentioned about tasers before; possibly on the search warrants, things they had collected?  I can't recall offhand.  Here's the article:  http://www2.journalnow.com/news/2010/nov/01/stepmother-abused-her-neighbors-say-ar-499832/

And here's the quote that concerns me:
"The couple went home and gave Elisa Baker the money she was owed, but she demanded more, they said. She and Adam Baker threatened the couple with Tasers, according to the arrest warrant."

Thoughts?

OK, I went back because I really wanted to be able to say where I had seen previous mention of tasers and in what context.  What I found were the references to accusations where Adam AND Elisa were both accused of threatening others with bodily harm and with Tasers.  In one accusation, a child's life is threatened.  These are "claims".  I don't know if these cases are currently open (the claims were from May 13), or if they were dismissed, or what happened with them.  I'm still looking stuff up.

Source: http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/nov/12/adam-and-elisa-baker-no-shows-court-appearance-ar-549155/
Excerpt:  "The couple went home and gave Elisa Baker the money she was owed, but she demanded more. She and Adam threatened the couple with Tasers, according to the arrest warrant."

Source: http://www.altoonamirror.com/page/content.detail/id/120331/Police-treating-missing-NC-girl-case-as-homicide-.html?isap=1&nav=759
Excerpt: "Caldwell County Court records show that Bentley filed a complaint May 13 against Elisa Baker, claiming she threatened to kill her and her 7-month-old daughter in a dispute over money. She said Elisa Baker threatened them with a taser and a gun, and Bentley feared for their lives."



Nevermind, I see that these are some of the cases for which they will be tried - if they ever finally get to the trial!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 10, 2011, 11:26:08 PM
Warrants: Zahra Baker's Parents Created "Chainsaw Massacre" With Online Family

HICKORY, N.C. --
Recently unsealed court documents show Zahra Baker's father, Adam and stepmother, Elisa, had a virtual family on a website called imvu.com. It's a site where you create a 3D version of yourself and chat with people.

Records show the Bakers were married in the game and then 2 days before Zahra disappeared killed their family in a sort of "chainsaw massacre."

So far, no one has been charged in Zahra's death. Elisa Baker is in jail on charges of obstructing the investigation.

http://www2.wspa.com/news/2011/jan/08/warrants-zahras-baker-created-chainsaw-massacre-on-ar-1318434/

My jaw just stays on the floor in this case. My God, Elesa and Adam are monsters!!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: statru on January 11, 2011, 01:18:33 AM
OK, not the greatest news source.  Old article.  But I had seen something mentioned about tasers before; possibly on the search warrants, things they had collected?  I can't recall offhand.  Here's the article:  http://www2.journalnow.com/news/2010/nov/01/stepmother-abused-her-neighbors-say-ar-499832/

And here's the quote that concerns me:
"The couple went home and gave Elisa Baker the money she was owed, but she demanded more, they said. She and Adam Baker threatened the couple with Tasers, according to the arrest warrant."

Thoughts?

There were tasers listed as having been collected by police on some of the first search warrants that were released


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Nana29 on January 11, 2011, 05:49:08 AM
Warrants: Zahra Baker's Parents Created "Chainsaw Massacre" With Online Family

HICKORY, N.C. --
Recently unsealed court documents show Zahra Baker's father, Adam and stepmother, Elisa, had a virtual family on a website called imvu.com. It's a site where you create a 3D version of yourself and chat with people.

Records show the Bakers were married in the game and then 2 days before Zahra disappeared killed their family in a sort of "chainsaw massacre."

So far, no one has been charged in Zahra's death. Elisa Baker is in jail on charges of obstructing the investigation.

http://www2.wspa.com/news/2011/jan/08/warrants-zahras-baker-created-chainsaw-massacre-on-ar-1318434/

My jaw just stays on the floor in this case. My God, Elesa and Adam are monsters!!


I am with you CBB, I kept picking my jaw up and then decided to leave it...less bruises that way. I pray that God will bring these horrid people to earthly justice very soon!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 11, 2011, 10:12:38 AM
I would like to see them both on the bad  side of a chainsaw.   (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/mikem.gif)


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on January 11, 2011, 11:58:25 AM
Hi all monkeys !
I thought I would check in for new info, but 0 !

I decided that coming here 1st in my day or last is the wrong thing to do.

This is all too unsettling, and more so that that as I type Adam Baker walks freely and shares our oxygen ! yikkkes ! ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 11, 2011, 01:17:09 PM
Hi all monkeys !
I thought I would check in for new info, but 0 !

I decided that coming here 1st in my day or last is the wrong thing to do.

This is all too unsettling, and more so that that as I type Adam Baker walks freely and shares our oxygen ! yikkkes ! ::MonkeyMad::

Hi LEP  :smt006  I'm holding on to hope Zahra will have justice.
 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: klaasend on January 12, 2011, 10:26:00 AM
A 15 MINUTE SCHEDULED MAINTENANCE LAST NIGHT TURNED INTO 12 HOURS.  SORRY ABOUT THE DOWNTIME.  EVERYTHING SHOULD BE OK NOW.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on January 12, 2011, 06:25:18 PM
A 15 MINUTE SCHEDULED MAINTENANCE LAST NIGHT TURNED INTO 12 HOURS.  SORRY ABOUT THE DOWNTIME.  EVERYTHING SHOULD BE OK NOW.
I tried to open the door several times to no avail.
I cried most of ther night because I was alone ! LOL ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on January 12, 2011, 06:42:01 PM
A 15 MINUTE SCHEDULED MAINTENANCE LAST NIGHT TURNED INTO 12 HOURS.  SORRY ABOUT THE DOWNTIME.  EVERYTHING SHOULD BE OK NOW.
I tried to open the door several times to no avail.
I cried most of ther night because I was alone ! LOL ::MonkeyDance::

Awe, LEP, you're not alone.  :smt056

Btw, O/T where do you get those emoticons you use?  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on January 13, 2011, 01:40:01 AM
A 15 MINUTE SCHEDULED MAINTENANCE LAST NIGHT TURNED INTO 12 HOURS.  SORRY ABOUT THE DOWNTIME.  EVERYTHING SHOULD BE OK NOW.
I tried to open the door several times to no avail.
I cried most of ther night because I was alone ! LOL ::MonkeyDance::

Awe, LEP, you're not alone.  :smt056

Btw, O/T where do you get those emoticons you use?  ::MonkeyTongue::

OT: My emoticons ? Which ones ?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on January 13, 2011, 09:30:22 AM
http://www.facebook.com/#!/notes/the-zahra-project/zahras-bill-as-of-january-6-2011/118338711571842 (http://www.facebook.com/#!/notes/the-zahra-project/zahras-bill-as-of-january-6-2011/118338711571842)

Zahra's Bill

Section 1: To increase the maximum sentencing for Felony Child Abuse to a term of Life in prison.

 

Section 2: To increase the maximum sentencing for Misdemeanor Child Abuse to a term of 20 years in prison.

 

Section 3: Upon second or subsequent count of Felony Child Abuse offender will receive a minimum of 20 years to a maximum of Life in prison.

 

Section 4: To take action against those who do not follow the duty to report abuse law (statute 7B-301) already in effect, resulting in misdemeanor charges punishable by fines of up to $1000, community service up to 100 hours and/or imprisonment for up to one year.

 

Section 5: In the event that a minor is abused and/or murdered in the presence of his or her biological, foster, step and/or adopted parent, or legal guardian, and the parent or legal guardian is capable yet does not act in the interest of protecting the child from harm, said parent or legal guardian will automatically be charged with the same charges as the perpetrator.

 

Section 6: To require biological, foster, step and/or adopted parents and/or legal guardians who have been reported to the Department of Social Services two or more times for abuse or neglect within the previous 12 months to notify the Department of Social Services if they move within ten days of the move.

 

Section 7: To require social workers who are investigating a report of child abuse or neglect to interview at least three (3) individuals, only one of which may be provided by the parent or caretaker, in order to provide the worker with accurate, legitimate, and verifiable information about the caretaker(s) and/or perpetrator(s) in each individual case.

 

Section 8: To require social workers to give no more than 24 hours notice of inspection including return visits.

 

Section 9: To require the Department of Social Services to alert law enforcement within 24 hours of receipt of any report of assault on a child under the age of 18. The Department of Social Services will also provide copies of reports of reported child abuse to law enforcement within 48 hours of receiving the reports, making a police report available on every report received.

 

Section 10: To require public schools to provide staff and children with state supported, approved curriculum and resources that are implemented at the elementary level regarding identifying, reporting, and preventing child abuse and neglect.

 

Section 11: To expand the current acceptable maximum age for abandonment of an infant (statute 14-322.3) from 7 days to 18 months.

 

Section 12: The bill will be enacted in the State of North Carolina.

 

Section 13: The bill will be enacted July 18, 2011.

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2011, 10:17:08 AM
http://www.facebook.com/#!/notes/the-zahra-project/zahras-bill-as-of-january-6-2011/118338711571842 (http://www.facebook.com/#!/notes/the-zahra-project/zahras-bill-as-of-january-6-2011/118338711571842)

Zahra's Bill

Section 1: To increase the maximum sentencing for Felony Child Abuse to a term of Life in prison.

 

Section 2: To increase the maximum sentencing for Misdemeanor Child Abuse to a term of 20 years in prison.

 

Section 3: Upon second or subsequent count of Felony Child Abuse offender will receive a minimum of 20 years to a maximum of Life in prison.

 

Section 4: To take action against those who do not follow the duty to report abuse law (statute 7B-301) already in effect, resulting in misdemeanor charges punishable by fines of up to $1000, community service up to 100 hours and/or imprisonment for up to one year.

 

Section 5: In the event that a minor is abused and/or murdered in the presence of his or her biological, foster, step and/or adopted parent, or legal guardian, and the parent or legal guardian is capable yet does not act in the interest of protecting the child from harm, said parent or legal guardian will automatically be charged with the same charges as the perpetrator.

 

Section 6: To require biological, foster, step and/or adopted parents and/or legal guardians who have been reported to the Department of Social Services two or more times for abuse or neglect within the previous 12 months to notify the Department of Social Services if they move within ten days of the move.

 

Section 7: To require social workers who are investigating a report of child abuse or neglect to interview at least three (3) individuals, only one of which may be provided by the parent or caretaker, in order to provide the worker with accurate, legitimate, and verifiable information about the caretaker(s) and/or perpetrator(s) in each individual case.

 

Section 8: To require social workers to give no more than 24 hours notice of inspection including return visits.

 

Section 9: To require the Department of Social Services to alert law enforcement within 24 hours of receipt of any report of assault on a child under the age of 18. The Department of Social Services will also provide copies of reports of reported child abuse to law enforcement within 48 hours of receiving the reports, making a police report available on every report received.

 

Section 10: To require public schools to provide staff and children with state supported, approved curriculum and resources that are implemented at the elementary level regarding identifying, reporting, and preventing child abuse and neglect.

 

Section 11: To expand the current acceptable maximum age for abandonment of an infant (statute 14-322.3) from 7 days to 18 months.

 

Section 12: The bill will be enacted in the State of North Carolina.

 

Section 13: The bill will be enacted July 18, 2011.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Does the lady writing this have a sponsor yet to get this passed?  Last I read in Dec was that her brother has a friend, who is a friend of a Senator, but said Senator had not officially done anything or even officially backed this bill to get it passed.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 13, 2011, 11:31:21 AM
A 15 MINUTE SCHEDULED MAINTENANCE LAST NIGHT TURNED INTO 12 HOURS.  SORRY ABOUT THE DOWNTIME.  EVERYTHING SHOULD BE OK NOW.
I tried to open the door several times to no avail.
I cried most of ther night because I was alone ! LOL ::MonkeyDance::

Awe, LEP, you're not alone.  :smt056

Btw, O/T where do you get those emoticons you use?  ::MonkeyTongue::

OT: My emoticons ? Which ones ?
SASSIFRASS, Are you talking about the little Smilies I use?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on January 13, 2011, 08:33:02 PM
A 15 MINUTE SCHEDULED MAINTENANCE LAST NIGHT TURNED INTO 12 HOURS.  SORRY ABOUT THE DOWNTIME.  EVERYTHING SHOULD BE OK NOW.
I tried to open the door several times to no avail.
I cried most of ther night because I was alone ! LOL ::MonkeyDance::

Awe, LEP, you're not alone.  :smt056

Btw, O/T where do you get those emoticons you use?  ::MonkeyTongue::

OT: My emoticons ? Which ones ?
SASSIFRASS, Are you talking about the little Smilies I use?


Sorry, been off line and I didn't want to use O/T space for this thread. Yeah I guess it was you FM. I see some people using emoticons that aren't on the SM list. Like the little chain saw, etc.

I think they are a great depiction of what we feel about EB, Ma Baker, and of course AB.

Gosh, I wish something would happen to give Zahra justice.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on January 13, 2011, 08:36:39 PM
http://www.facebook.com/#!/notes/the-zahra-project/zahras-bill-as-of-january-6-2011/118338711571842 (http://www.facebook.com/#!/notes/the-zahra-project/zahras-bill-as-of-january-6-2011/118338711571842)

Zahra's Bill

Section 1: To increase the maximum sentencing for Felony Child Abuse to a term of Life in prison.

 

Section 2: To increase the maximum sentencing for Misdemeanor Child Abuse to a term of 20 years in prison.

 

Section 3: Upon second or subsequent count of Felony Child Abuse offender will receive a minimum of 20 years to a maximum of Life in prison.

 

Section 4: To take action against those who do not follow the duty to report abuse law (statute 7B-301) already in effect, resulting in misdemeanor charges punishable by fines of up to $1000, community service up to 100 hours and/or imprisonment for up to one year.

 

Section 5: In the event that a minor is abused and/or murdered in the presence of his or her biological, foster, step and/or adopted parent, or legal guardian, and the parent or legal guardian is capable yet does not act in the interest of protecting the child from harm, said parent or legal guardian will automatically be charged with the same charges as the perpetrator.

 

Section 6: To require biological, foster, step and/or adopted parents and/or legal guardians who have been reported to the Department of Social Services two or more times for abuse or neglect within the previous 12 months to notify the Department of Social Services if they move within ten days of the move.

 

Section 7: To require social workers who are investigating a report of child abuse or neglect to interview at least three (3) individuals, only one of which may be provided by the parent or caretaker, in order to provide the worker with accurate, legitimate, and verifiable information about the caretaker(s) and/or perpetrator(s) in each individual case.

 

Section 8: To require social workers to give no more than 24 hours notice of inspection including return visits.

 

Section 9: To require the Department of Social Services to alert law enforcement within 24 hours of receipt of any report of assault on a child under the age of 18. The Department of Social Services will also provide copies of reports of reported child abuse to law enforcement within 48 hours of receiving the reports, making a police report available on every report received.

 

Section 10: To require public schools to provide staff and children with state supported, approved curriculum and resources that are implemented at the elementary level regarding identifying, reporting, and preventing child abuse and neglect.

 

Section 11: To expand the current acceptable maximum age for abandonment of an infant (statute 14-322.3) from 7 days to 18 months.

 

Section 12: The bill will be enacted in the State of North Carolina.

 

Section 13: The bill will be enacted July 18, 2011.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Does the lady writing this have a sponsor yet to get this passed?  Last I read in Dec was that her brother has a friend, who is a friend of a Senator, but said Senator had not officially done anything or even officially backed this bill to get it passed.

This is the response I got when I asked that question:

Kristie Austin Pope This is our final presentation of it. I'm sure it will be rehashed. We have a house rep willing to sponsor it IF HE LIKES IT. So we shall see how it goes. Fingers crossed.
8 hours ago


http://www.facebook.com/#!/thezahraproject (http://www.facebook.com/#!/thezahraproject)


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2011, 10:00:02 PM
Thank you sassifrass.  So it is no where near being called an official bill yet.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 13, 2011, 10:45:51 PM
A 15 MINUTE SCHEDULED MAINTENANCE LAST NIGHT TURNED INTO 12 HOURS.  SORRY ABOUT THE DOWNTIME.  EVERYTHING SHOULD BE OK NOW.
I tried to open the door several times to no avail.
I cried most of ther night because I was alone ! LOL ::MonkeyDance::

Awe, LEP, you're not alone.  :smt056

Btw, O/T where do you get those emoticons you use?  ::MonkeyTongue::

OT: My emoticons ? Which ones ?
SASSIFRASS, Are you talking about the little Smilies I use?


Sorry, been off line and I didn't want to use O/T space for this thread. Yeah I guess it was you FM. I see some people using emoticons that aren't on the SM list. Like the little chain saw, etc.

I think they are a great depiction of what we feel about EB, Ma Baker, and of course AB.

Gosh, I wish something would happen to give Zahra justice.

O/T SASSI, I left you a message in musings.

I come here everyday hoping, praying to hear there has been more arrests. It is so hard to wait. But wait we will. Your are not forgotten, Zahra angel. ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Wildingheart on January 15, 2011, 07:39:57 AM
This is slightly OT so please forgive and delete if you feel the need. These are some things I've been dying to share and since Zahra's case is sadly in a slump I thought now would be a good time.

Let me begin by saying that among other things I am a professional astrologer, and there is no need to freak and run because I have no intention of trying to drum up business here because I have more than I can handle in the real world.

And I do realize several forums have astrology sections, and I am not even remotely suggesting there is one needed here. I will say however, in defense of astrology, if someone actually starts one they should at least know what they are doing, quite unlike the 2 so called astrology forums I've happened across.

That being said, let me share something truly amazing with you.

Over the years I've read and studied every available book on the astrology of serial killers. And I knew I would find at least something pertaining to violence in Elisa's chart, but it took me aback when I actually got around to doing it. Everywhere I turned was another indicator of what she is/was capable of.

I honestly thought when I heard her biological daughter say that she is/was terrified of her mother she was exaggerating. She was not. It truly is a miracle that any of E's children are alive!

Some of the astrological info contained here is from the book "Destined For Murder: Profiles of Six Serial Killers" by Young and Rowland. The book studies in depth the natal charts of Ed Gein, Jeffrey Dahmer, Kenneth Bianchi/Angelo Buono (Hillside Stranglers), Albert DeSalvo (Boston Strangler), John Wayne Gacy and Dennis Nilsen.

Moon 18° Libra - 18° Libra is a dangerous and homicidal degree. Sabian Symbol - Two men placed under arrest.

Mars square Pluto - Tight square @0°02' applying. A dangerous and violent configuration. Especially if your Mars is OOB (out of bounds, like Elisas. @ +23°41' declination). You are a force to be reckoned with. A desire to dominate or manipulate people that can backfire on you and cause confrontations and power struggles. Worse still, you can become emotionally reactive and vengeful if you don't get things your own way. Injuries are possible in high-risk situations or environments.

Mars with Uranus - Highly volatile and unpredictable nature.

Mars with Saturn - Indicates a cruel streak.

Mars conjunct Sun - Two masculine planets. Confrontational and go for the jugular. Excel at sports if they channel the energy that way, if not they are bullies or always stirring up trouble in other ways. Also have great physical strength.

Sun square Pluto - Projects a dangerous aura and often looks for dark truths.

Jupiter square Neptune - Tendency to exaggerate and a likelihood towards deception. Emotional excesses and impractical behavior. Prone to building a castle in the sky rather than living in the real world.

Saturn opposite Moon - Clashes with authority figures. Overwhelmed and exhausted by family responsibilities. Lack of sympathy towards family and others. Lacks emotional flexibility and optimism when dealing with others and often make them feel ill at ease.

Midpoints:

Pluto = Sun/Uranus +0 21'Seperating
A passionate and self-determining individual. Displaying the power of conviction. A law unto oneself; an uncompromising will. Confronting the new or unfamiliar directly. A slow build-up of stress and tension that is suddenly released. Volatile and reactive behavior. Clashes of will. Dominating others or being dominated. Enforced adjustments and separations. An inherent survival instinct.

Pluto = Neptune/Moon's North Node +0 36'Applying
Depressive and manipulative influences within relationships. Coercing and undermining others - or vice versa. Doubt and suspicion within associations; subversive and deceptive elements. Dubious connections. Mutual distrust. Vindictive connections; destructive power struggles. (Charlatans).


Jupiter - 29° Leo - Doesn't melt into the crowd; violence and destructiveness; imprisonment and violent death. (Donna Walter Henson's "Degrees of the Zodiac")

North Node - 17° Aries - Often connected with tragedies and violence, in either the chart of the attacker or the victim. (Donna Walter Henson's "Degrees of the Zodiac")

South Node - 17° Libra - Violence. A person who will get considerable publicity. (Donna Walter Henson's "Degrees of the Zodiac")

Neptune - 25° Scorpio - Alcoholism. Dumbness. A firm character with reckless disregard for personal danger. (Donna Walter Henson's "Degrees of the Zodiac")

Fixed Star Algol conjunct MC - 26°Taurus - Algol most violent star in the heavens. MC directed to this position arouses mob violence and murderous tendencies; often near 8th house cusp of condemned criminals; often in charts of murderers; decapitation. (Donna Walter Henson's "Degrees of the Zodiac")

My note: Among other things, the MC represents the public eye, public image, etc

About Algol:
Algol, "the demon," or Demon Star, which "blinks" in Perseus (The Hero). It changes in brightness from 2.0 to 3.3 magnitude and back again every 2.9 days. Algol is an eclipsing binary. Algol marks Medusa's severed head and has a reputation for violence and extreme danger. Algol is a name derived from Arabic "Al Ghoul" meaning "demon", "evil spirit" or "devil". The word "alcohol" can also be traced to Al Ghoul. Nature of Mars and Saturn.

Arabic Parts:

Part of Children - 24° Aries - Theories and ideas of doubtful value. Homicidal tendency. Alcoholism. (Donna Walter Henson's "Degrees of the Zodiac")

Zahra didn't have a chance!! Everyone has a few challenging aspects, etc. in their chart. Those are where we learn our lessons in life (by overcoming them). I've done thousands of charts and Elisa's is the worst I've ever seen. Ever. Her's is the chart of a monster.

Zahra, on the other hand had the moon in the twentieth degree of Aquarius. :) The (Sabian Symbol) meaning of the twentieth degree of Aquarius is: "A big white dove, a message bearer". That about sums it up. Zahra, The Dove.

Sabian Symbol credits:

The Sabian Symbols as an Oracle by Lynda Hill.
360 Degrees of Wisdom: Charting Your Destiny With The Sabian Oracle by Lynda Hill.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on January 15, 2011, 12:22:29 PM
Wildingheart~
Thank for the post
which u interpreted
astronomical info on Elisa.

I found it enlightening and interesting.

Thank u for sharing it asnd taking the time ! ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 15, 2011, 12:53:44 PM
Yes, and I thank you too WILDINGHEART. I would be interested to see Adam Baker's chart, as I think he was just as involved as Elisa in Zahra's murder. I just can't believe he is just a shell of a man as dumb as the day is long. Thank you again.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Wildingheart on January 15, 2011, 02:44:12 PM
You are both very welcome. Any little thing I can do to contribute to this amazing forum pleases me to no end, because you all do SO much.

I actually did Adam's chart first. And again I knew what would be there.  I would have bet everything I own that he has Neptune conjunct Mercury. And of course, he does.

Neptune is the planet of illusion. Mercury is how we communicate. It doesn't even take an astrologer to see what that is all about. It explains why he can't talk...communicate. He just stands there with that 'duh' look on his face. He's going to make a very interesting witness on the stand. They are going to rip him to shreds, even his Defense attorney will make him look bad.

It isn't stupidity exactly (but it can be), and he actually thinks (illusion-Neptune) that he is communicating (Mercury). And he lies, and in two different ways. First is the way everyone lies. Second is that he doesn't realize he is lying (illusion again), he's a pathological liar.

When a planet is conjunct another planet it's basically blended together. I also rectified his chart and he has Neptune in the 1st house which means:

"You will experience a lack of boundaries between others and yourself, and may show some vagueness in your self-expression. You have the ability to create a fantasy world of your own, and may need to clarify for yourself who you really are." Solar Fire.

Elisa's sin(s) are that of being a monster. The largest number of the so called 'serial killer' themes in Astrology that I (or any other astrologer) found in the charts of Bundy, et al totaled two. Elisa could easily be the biggest case study in history.

Adam's sin is that of omission. He's just a big, dumb, lump who allowed that she-thing to torture, murder and dismember his little girl. And being stupid is no excuse. But I bet you she was the brains and he was the brawn behind the whole thing.

There are a lot of children raised by not so smart people who do an excellent job. It doesn't take brains to raise a child..all it takes is heart.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on January 15, 2011, 02:55:28 PM
Wildingheart Have you by any chance done this for Terri Horman and Kyron?

Great work!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on January 15, 2011, 03:01:20 PM
Wildingheart Have you by any chance done this for Terri Horman and Kyron?

Great work!

I forgot to say, If you have done one for TH and Ky, can you please post it on the Kyron thread.  ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Curly on January 16, 2011, 03:51:27 PM
That was awesome, Wildingheart, Thank You.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: melisb on January 16, 2011, 04:20:51 PM
Yes, thank you Wild!  It's nice to see an informative piece done on such a monster while all is stalled in the case.  I wouldn't mind if Klaas would allow you to do this for all High Profile cases.  You could have your own thread and do those you feel important to the cases with Klaas' permission on each.  Those who don't even believe will be surprised to read these.  If they are on your own thread within the case then nobody can complain about it taking up room if they don't like it.  I happen to believe but know nothing about it.  Thank you again.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on January 16, 2011, 10:44:02 PM
I have a very difficult time coming back to this thread because of the pure evil that Zahra endured from these people.

I wanted to post this beautiful video called "Justice for Zahra". Let's not forget and let's not give up on our determination to get justice for this sweet angel. Keep you tissues handy.  ::MonkeyTears::

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4v_YPaEF3g (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4v_YPaEF3g)


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 17, 2011, 10:22:24 AM
I believe Adam is due in court this week on Jan 21.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 17, 2011, 10:24:44 AM
Did judge overstep in the Zahra Baker case?
Gaither says Poovey had no right to release warrants

Hickory --
Superior Court Judge Nathaniel Poovey has released 11 warrants related to the Zahra Baker investigation. Some of the documents provided stark insights into the circumstances surrounding the 10-year-old girl's death and dismemberment such as allegations that the child may have been raped before she was killed. Others were mundane, like information about medical records.

An additional 30 warrants were unsealed after the District Attorney's office removed its objections allowing the media to access the documents.

The question is: Did Poovey have the power to release documents sealed by fellow Superior Court judges, or did he overstep his authority?

Some say he did.

"The release of the sealed documents caused immediate and irreparable harm to the state, whereas the injury to the public and the media by a temporary stay of the effect would have been minimal," said District Attorney Jay Gaither.

Poovey released the warrants on Nov. 30. Gaither's office filed a notice of appeal with the North Carolina Court of Appeals on Dec. 30.

Gaither said the appeal isn't about the information in the warrants, but how the warrants were unsealed.

Gaither's concern is that a judge could repeat these actions.

"The dispute is capable of repetition yet evading review," according to notice of appeal.

Though that explains why Gaither is appealing the decision after the warrants have already been unsealed, but the argument may not be enough to convince the Court of Appeals to hear the matter.

"I don't think the Court of Appeals is going to hear it just because it may happen again," said 24-year veteran Superior Court judge Forrest Ferrell, who is now in private practice.

In his order releasing the warrants, Poovey wrote that the public has the right to know what's in them. The district attorney argued that releasing the warrants could jeopardize the case by undermining an ongoing investigation and denying a fair trial to anyone who may be charged in Zahra's death.

But the issue at hand is not whether the information in the warrants should be public or whether their release would mean that the person who killed Zahra could avoid prosecution.

The issue is whether Poovey overstepped his authority when he released the warrants in contradiction to signed orders from four other Superior Court judges.

Gaither thinks it’s a matter for the state appeals court to decide.

"The Court is without authority to overrule, modify or rescind an Order of the Court of the same Division when such an Order is plain, complete and unambiguous," according to the notice of appeal. "Judge Poovey's Order is an impermissible exercise of appellate jurisdiction by a trial Judge."

Ferrell agreed that, in most cases, Superior Court judges should not reverse one another's decisions.

"It is generally true that one Superior Court judge cannot overrule another - unless all the parties agree to it," he said.

N.C. Press Association attorney Amanda Martin does not think Poovey’s Nov. 30 order “overruled” the earlier orders. Martin represented the Hickory Daily Record and several media companies who petitioned the court for the unsealing of the warrants.

“First, each of the earlier orders contained the phrase “until further order of the court,” implying that a subsequent order would be appropriate to release documents that had been sealed,’’ said Martin.

“Even more fundamentally, however, the Administrative Order stated that warrants would be sealed for 30 days unless a specific time were stated.  In this case, no specific time was stated, and therefore by definition the warrants were public after 30 days,” sid Martin. “Judge Poovey’s Order simply recognized or clarified that fact.”

THE CONFLICT'S ORIGIN

The problem started Oct. 1 - more than a week before Zahra was reported missing - when Senior Resident Superior Court Judge Timothy Kincaid issued an administrative order about search warrants. It stated that search warrants are public record after they have been served unless a judge issues an order sealing them. If a warrant is sealed, that sealing order "Shall expire in 30 days unless a different expiration date is specified in the order."

Kincaid’s order echoes North Carolina’s Public Record Law, which states that search warrants become public records once they have been served.

When Zahra Baker was reported missing Oct. 9 and the search was declared a homicide investigation on Oct. 12, search warrants were issued for a variety of locations, electronic devices and websites.

Judges Kincaid, Poovey, Robert Bell, Richard Boner, Burford Cherry and Thomas Locke sealed the warrants indefinitely, "until further order of the court," in response to the district attorney's requests. That phrase made the orders appear to be in conflict with Kincaid's Oct. 1 order.

When Poovey released 11 search warrants on Nov. 30, he wrote that, "When possible, orders shall be read in such a way as to resolve or avoid conflict," and ordered the Clerk of Court to release the warrants.

A judge has the ability to vacate his own orders, but that's not what Poovey did in the Zahra case. He countermanded his fellow judges' orders by issuing an order to release warrants he interpreted to have already been unsealed through Kincaid's Oct. 1 order.

North Carolina law states that only appellate (appeals) courts have the authority to parse conflicting orders from judges. "No judge can change, abrogate or overrule another judge of the same court." (Morley vs. Morley) The only exception would be an instance where it could be shown that the judge whose order was being re-versed had committed "abuse of discretion." (Pinney vs. Sate Farm).

It remains to be seen if the state appeals court will agree to hear the District Attorney's motion.

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/jan/16/did-judge-overstep-zahra-baker-case-ar-697708/


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Wildingheart on January 17, 2011, 01:37:05 PM
Forgive the OT but I wanted to let those who requested it know that I posted the Kyron and Terri Astrology on Kyron's thread.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Brandi on January 17, 2011, 02:06:36 PM
An opportunity for DSS to step up
By The Record Editorial Staff
Published: January 15, 2011

Over the last several weeks as we’ve searched for answers in the Zahra Baker tragedy, lots of questions have been asked of the Department of Social Services.

After numerous reports from family and friends who said they had seen Zahra verbally abused, slapped and punished by her stepmother Elisa Baker, we all have asked why didn’t DSS intervene, and possibly rescue the 10-year-old girl from her eventual fate.

When Zahra went to school with a black eye, school officials called DSS, according to neighbor Bobby Green of Hudson.

Another neighbor in the same trailer park where Green lives, Corrine Yount, said she could hear Zahra screaming and Elisa yelling at her. “We called DSS on her, too, but they never did anything.”

And there were other pleas for help.

Many inquiries have been made since Oct. 9 to the Caldwell County Department of Social Services.

All we’ve heard from DSS was a brief statement issued Oct. 14:

“The Caldwell County Department of Social Services is prohibited from discussing, disclosing information or confirming or denying the department’s involvement with any individual or family as in reference to North Carolina General Statute 108A-80, North Carolina General Statute 7B-302 (a). “All questions should be directed to the investigating agency in this case,which is the Hickory Police Department in Hickory, North Carolina.”

Well, we’ve got some questions, and they are directed at DSS:

Why not take the opportunity to speak to the public about potential abuse cases? You don’t have to talk directly about what happened in Zahra’s case.

But why not a public campaign telling people how to spot child abuse, how to report it, what actual steps (generally speaking) DSS takes after abuse cases are reported?

The information is on the DSS website, but it’s vague and offers little real direction:

Question: “What can I do if I think a child is being mistreated/abused?”

Answer: “If you suspect a child is being abused or neglected, you must contact your local county Department of Social Services immediately.This reporting is confidential. Every local county Department of Social Services in North Carolina provides protective services for children, in addition to foster care and adoption services.”

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Out of a problem springs a solution. We know privacy laws are there to protect children and families. But those laws should not be used to hide behind.

We want to know what DSS can do tomorrow, next week and next year to prevent another tragic situation like what happened to Zahra from happening again?

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/jan/15/opportunity-dss-step-ar-697357/


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Brandi on January 17, 2011, 02:08:55 PM
Forgive the OT but I wanted to let those who requested it know that I posted the Kyron and Terri Astrology on Kyron's thread.

Thank you, Wildingheart.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Gizzie on January 17, 2011, 02:24:41 PM
An opportunity for DSS to step up
By The Record Editorial Staff
Published: January 15, 2011

Over the last several weeks as we’ve searched for answers in the Zahra Baker tragedy, lots of questions have been asked of the Department of Social Services.

After numerous reports from family and friends who said they had seen Zahra verbally abused, slapped and punished by her stepmother Elisa Baker, we all have asked why didn’t DSS intervene, and possibly rescue the 10-year-old girl from her eventual fate.

When Zahra went to school with a black eye, school officials called DSS, according to neighbor Bobby Green of Hudson.

Another neighbor in the same trailer park where Green lives, Corrine Yount, said she could hear Zahra screaming and Elisa yelling at her. “We called DSS on her, too, but they never did anything.”      ::MonkeyNoNo::

And there were other pleas for help.

Many inquiries have been made since Oct. 9 to the Caldwell County Department of Social Services.

All we’ve heard from DSS was a brief statement issued Oct. 14:

“The Caldwell County Department of Social Services is prohibited from discussing, disclosing information or confirming or denying the department’s involvement with any individual or family as in reference to North Carolina General Statute 108A-80, North Carolina General Statute 7B-302 (a). “All questions should be directed to the investigating agency in this case,which is the Hickory Police Department in Hickory, North Carolina.”

Well, we’ve got some questions, and they are directed at DSS:

Why not take the opportunity to speak to the public about potential abuse cases? You don’t have to talk directly about what happened in Zahra’s case.

But why not a public campaign telling people how to spot child abuse, how to report it, what actual steps (generally speaking) DSS takes after abuse cases are reported?

The information is on the DSS website, but it’s vague and offers little real direction:

Question: “What can I do if I think a child is being mistreated/abused?”

Answer: “If you suspect a child is being abused or neglected, you must contact your local county Department of Social Services immediately.This reporting is confidential. Every local county Department of Social Services in North Carolina provides protective services for children, in addition to foster care and adoption services.”

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Out of a problem springs a solution. We know privacy laws are there to protect children and families. But those laws should not be used to hide behind.

We want to know what DSS can do tomorrow, next week and next year to prevent another tragic situation like what happened to Zahra from happening again?

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/jan/15/opportunity-dss-step-ar-697357/

After reading here at Scared Monkeys for as long as I have been, and seeing stories like Zahra's everyday, I decided to make a report to my local Children & Youth Organization about a child, who in MY mind, was and still is being abused, and they DID NOTHING, and there is not a thing I can do, other than continue making calls and saying the same thing over and over.

It breaks my heart every time I see this little boy knowing that he's being abused and I wonder if he ever thinks why isn't anyone stopping this woman. I want to tell him that I've tried, but don't know how to say it without making trouble for him.  ::MonkeyTears::

I don't understand why it's so hard for these people to just follow up on a complaint and then make the decision if further investigation is needed. I hate the way these services are being run, and it's our children who are paying the price, usually with their lives!

This makes me so mad!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 17, 2011, 02:29:49 PM
What I want to see is the investigation and warrants in Adam Baker's part of the murder. The affidavits and warrants we have seen have all been against Alisa and very little about Adam. Why? The most mentioned was Alisa's phone was in the places evidence was found but not Adams. What did that prove?

 Where was Adam during the time Elisa says Zahra died and was dismembered? How does he explain saying he saw Zahra on the Thursday before they filed a missing report on her? Where are his interviews? How does he explain the cadaver dogs hit on both his and Alisa's car? Why was he not kept in jail along with Elisa when at first they had the same exact charges against them, except Elisa said she wrote the ransom note. Did Adam not recognize Alisa's writing right away? He went along with the ransom note story and said he thought Zahra was abducted. No Adam! She had been dead TWO weeks already. How did you enjoy Octoberfest the Saturday before you said she was missing?

It seems the police is trying to portray Adam as a grieving father, free to move around and have his mommy take care of him and his problems. The only time I saw anything like the police were not buying his story is the day the Police Chief and Adam were having a press conference outside the police station right at the beginning. When Adam was playing the poor old dad part and was trying to say how much he miss Zahra and started (pretended) to break down, instead of the chief putting his hand on his arm or around his shoulders, he stood there and almost shrugged.

Now they have "cracked" the case, have their perp in jail and I don't believe in my heart they are going any further with the investigation. Too much time has past to be waiting for forensics. They probably don't really know how Zahra died and they are afraid to go forward with the case.

My feeling is, charge them both with murder and try them together. Present all the evidence they have of abuse and bruising and no medical care not being here legally,and Elisa a bigamist and Adam knew it. Let the witnesses testify about seeing this abuse and bring in the DPS and let them try to squirm out of why they did nothing. Show the jury the pictures of poor little Zahra's body parts, her prosthesis, and hearing aids Alisa kept as a trophy in a Black Velvet bag. Show them how small the house was and how it would be impossible for the horrible conditions Zahra had to live in and the mattress she probably died in not to have been seen by Adam. Show them the blood evidence, even in the kitchen, and ask how a reasonable person could possibly not notice Zahra was gone and her blood spatter was all over the house. Adams tools were probably used in the disposal.  Possibly a chain saw and I still believe that wood chipper was used in part of the disposal. Then let the jury decide how innocent Adam is. I doubt if many think Elisa is. What about Adam?? Adam is just as guilty as Alisa. He just puts on a good act of being the village idiot.

The longer this goes on, the madder I get. Anybody notice?  (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/Dancing_Grenade3.gif)


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: starwynn on January 17, 2011, 03:07:43 PM
What I want to see is the investigation and warrants in Adam Baker's part of the murder. The affidavits and warrants we have seen have all been against Alisa and very little about Adam. Why? The most mentioned was Alisa's phone was in the places evidence was found but not Adams. What did that prove?

 Where was Adam during the time Elisa says Zahra died and was dismembered? How does he explain saying he saw Zahra on the Thursday before they filed a missing report on her? Where are his interviews? How does he explain the cadaver dogs hit on both his and Alisa's car? Why was he not kept in jail along with Elisa when at first they had the same exact charges against them, except Elisa said she wrote the ransom note. Did Adam not recognize Alisa's writing right away? He went along with the ransom note story and said he thought Zahra was abducted. No Adam! She had been dead TWO weeks already. How did you enjoy Octoberfest the Saturday before you said she was missing?

It seems the police is trying to portray Adam as a grieving father, free to move around and have his mommy take care of him and his problems. The only time I saw anything like the police were not buying his story is the day the Police Chief and Adam were having a press conference outside the police station right at the beginning. When Adam was playing the poor old dad part and was trying to say how much he miss Zahra and started (pretended) to break down, instead of the chief putting his hand on his arm or around his shoulders, he stood there and almost shrugged.

Now they have "cracked" the case, have their perp in jail and I don't believe in my heart they are going any further with the investigation. Too much time has past to be waiting for forensics. They probably don't really know how Zahra died and they are afraid to go forward with the case.

My feeling is, charge them both with murder and try them together. Present all the evidence they have of abuse and bruising and no medical care not being here legally,and Elisa a bigamist and Adam knew it. Let the witnesses testify about seeing this abuse and bring in the DPS and let them try to squirm out of why they did nothing. Show the jury the pictures of poor little Zahra's body parts, her prosthesis, and hearing aids Alisa kept as a trophy in a Black Velvet bag. Show them how small the house was and how it would be impossible for the horrible conditions Zahra had to live in and the mattress she probably died in not to have been seen by Adam. Show them the blood evidence, even in the kitchen, and ask how a reasonable person could possibly not notice Zahra was gone and her blood spatter was all over the house. Adams tools were probably used in the disposal.  Possibly a chain saw and I still believe that wood chipper was used in part of the disposal. Then let the jury decide how innocent Adam is. I doubt if many think Elisa is. What about Adam?? Adam is just as guilty as Alisa. He just puts on a good act of being the village idiot.

The longer this goes on, the madder I get. Anybody notice?  (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/Dancing_Grenade3.gif)

Fanny Mae, if it makes you feel better (because it sure made me feel better) there's a section in the warrants that talk about Adam in the suspect role, not the grieving parent role.  I can't recall which page, but I was glad to see language finally pointing to his involvement.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 17, 2011, 03:50:13 PM

Fanny Mae, if it makes you feel better (because it sure made me feel better) there's a section in the warrants that talk about Adam in the suspect role, not the grieving parent role.  I can't recall which page, but I was glad to see language finally pointing to his involvement.
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Thanks STARWYNN. I've read the warrants a couple of times and I didn't glean much about suspicions of Adam in them. Maybe I am missing something. The biggest thing I remember was the checking of his phone, and his phone not being where the evidence was found. I'll go back through them again.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 17, 2011, 05:14:36 PM
An opportunity for DSS to step up
By The Record Editorial Staff
Published: January 15, 2011

Over the last several weeks as we’ve searched for answers in the Zahra Baker tragedy, lots of questions have been asked of the Department of Social Services.

After numerous reports from family and friends who said they had seen Zahra verbally abused, slapped and punished by her stepmother Elisa Baker, we all have asked why didn’t DSS intervene, and possibly rescue the 10-year-old girl from her eventual fate.

When Zahra went to school with a black eye, school officials called DSS, according to neighbor Bobby Green of Hudson.

Another neighbor in the same trailer park where Green lives, Corrine Yount, said she could hear Zahra screaming and Elisa yelling at her. “We called DSS on her, too, but they never did anything.”      ::MonkeyNoNo::

And there were other pleas for help.

Many inquiries have been made since Oct. 9 to the Caldwell County Department of Social Services.

All we’ve heard from DSS was a brief statement issued Oct. 14:

“The Caldwell County Department of Social Services is prohibited from discussing, disclosing information or confirming or denying the department’s involvement with any individual or family as in reference to North Carolina General Statute 108A-80, North Carolina General Statute 7B-302 (a). “All questions should be directed to the investigating agency in this case,which is the Hickory Police Department in Hickory, North Carolina.”

Well, we’ve got some questions, and they are directed at DSS:

Why not take the opportunity to speak to the public about potential abuse cases? You don’t have to talk directly about what happened in Zahra’s case.

But why not a public campaign telling people how to spot child abuse, how to report it, what actual steps (generally speaking) DSS takes after abuse cases are reported?

The information is on the DSS website, but it’s vague and offers little real direction:

Question: “What can I do if I think a child is being mistreated/abused?”

Answer: “If you suspect a child is being abused or neglected, you must contact your local county Department of Social Services immediately.This reporting is confidential. Every local county Department of Social Services in North Carolina provides protective services for children, in addition to foster care and adoption services.”

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Out of a problem springs a solution. We know privacy laws are there to protect children and families. But those laws should not be used to hide behind.

We want to know what DSS can do tomorrow, next week and next year to prevent another tragic situation like what happened to Zahra from happening again?

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/jan/15/opportunity-dss-step-ar-697357/

After reading here at Scared Monkeys for as long as I have been, and seeing stories like Zahra's everyday, I decided to make a report to my local Children & Youth Organization about a child, who in MY mind, was and still is being abused, and they DID NOTHING, and there is not a thing I can do, other than continue making calls and saying the same thing over and over.

It breaks my heart every time I see this little boy knowing that he's being abused and I wonder if he ever thinks why isn't anyone stopping this woman. I want to tell him that I've tried, but don't know how to say it without making trouble for him.  ::MonkeyTears::

I don't understand why it's so hard for these people to just follow up on a complaint and then make the decision if further investigation is needed. I hate the way these services are being run, and it's our children who are paying the price, usually with their lives!

This makes me so mad!
GIZZIE, I have been thinking about your post ever since I read it. I don't know exactly how the Children and Youth Protection is set up in you state, but usually it is set up on a county by county basis. That is how Zahra slipped through the cracks so many times, they just moved. But there should be a department they answer to, most probably a County Commission. There may be an overall State Children and Youth Protection department that oversees all the counties. I would make another call to your local CYP and make another complaint. I would tell them this time if there is no action you are going to the County Commission or whoever oversees them in you area. If that doesn't work, I would go to the State, but in any case I would not give them much time to act. There is also the media, who usually has a "On your side" reporter who looks into viewers complaints. I would exhaust all possible avenues because you may save this child's life or at the very least, make his life a little easier.

I think GYPSYDD said she used to be a social worker. Maybe she could give you some other ideas. I think you are an angel for trying to help and you should be commended. Please don't give up.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 17, 2011, 05:15:38 PM
GIZZIE, you could also call the police while the abuse is going on.  Good luck.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: cookie on January 17, 2011, 05:23:57 PM
Gizzie..that would be horrible trying to help a child and nothing is being done..
is it possible that the little boy could come to your house and spend some time? Would the mom allow that?  it might be a refuge to him.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: cw618 on January 18, 2011, 12:50:04 PM
fanny mae those are good points about AB, makes you wonder,why LE hasnt pursued his statements
AB made in public, considering zahra, had been dead 2wks b4 he said he last saw her, will have to
look for that vid,maybe that isnt what he said,but i thought, he had said something like that too


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Monkey King on January 18, 2011, 01:11:51 PM
Rad Berky on Twitter say an indictment against Elisa Baker may be handed down this afternoon.....


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 18, 2011, 01:29:47 PM
fanny mae those are good points about AB, makes you wonder,why LE hasnt pursued his statements
AB made in public, considering zahra, had been dead 2wks b4 he said he last saw her, will have to
look for that vid,maybe that isnt what he said,but i thought, he had said something like that too

Video of Adam and police chief

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-hickory-girl-zahra-bakers-mom-involved-dad/story?id=11848643


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 18, 2011, 01:30:32 PM
Rad Berky on Twitter say an indictment against Elisa Baker may be handed down this afternoon.....

I still say, what about Adam?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 18, 2011, 01:32:47 PM
fanny mae those are good points about AB, makes you wonder,why LE hasnt pursued his statements
AB made in public, considering zahra, had been dead 2wks b4 he said he last saw her, will have to
look for that vid,maybe that isnt what he said,but i thought, he had said something like that too

Video of Adam and police chief

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-hickory-girl-zahra-bakers-mom-involved-dad/story?id=11848643

The exchange between Chief Atkins and Adam is right at the end.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 18, 2011, 01:53:05 PM
Briefcase found which may contain evidence in Zahra Baker case

CALDWELL COUNTY, NC (WBTV) – WBTV has learned that a briefcase has been found that may contain evidence relating to the disappearance of a Hickory girl who was reported missing in October.

Zahra Baker is the 10-year-old girl whose remains were later found scattered in two locations in Caldwell County last fall.  Officials said her body had been dismembered. 

FULL COVERAGE: Follow the entire Zahra Baker case

The newest development in the case is the discovery of a briefcase found on Christie Road in Caldwell County Tuesday morning.  A source said the contents appeared to be bloody clothing.

The briefcase was found deep in the woods beyond the area that had been searched by investigators in November.
The items will be sent to the SBI lab in Raleigh to be analyzed.  Only then will investigators know if the items relate to the case at all.   

MORE,,,,

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13862219


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 18, 2011, 01:55:05 PM
Report: Briefcase May Hold Clues in Zahra Baker Case
Briefcase found in Caldwell County on Tuesday

http://www.myfox8.com/news/wghp-story-report-briefcase-baker-100119,0,283045.story?track=rss


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 18, 2011, 02:05:09 PM
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CALDWELL COUNTY, NC (WBTV) – WBTV has learned that a briefcase has been found that may contain evidence relating to the disappearance of a Hickory girl who was reported missing in October which attracted national and international attention.

Zahra Baker is the 10-year-old girl whose remains were later scattered in two locations in Caldwell County last fall.  Officials said her body had been dismembered. 

FULL COVERAGE: Follow the entire Zahra Baker case

The newest development in the case is the discovery of a briefcase that was found Tuesday morning on Christie Road in Caldwell County.

A source said the contents appeared to be clothing or some other type of cloth that was possibly stained by blood or some other dark substance.

The briefcase was found deep in the woods beyond the area that had been previously searched by investigators in November.

The items will be sent to the SBI lab in Raleigh to be analyzed.  Only then will investigators know for sure if the items relate to the case at all.   

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13862219


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 18, 2011, 02:05:19 PM
Briefcase found which may contain evidence in Zahra Baker case

CALDWELL COUNTY, NC (WBTV) – WBTV has learned that a briefcase has been found that may contain evidence relating to the disappearance of a Hickory girl who was reported missing in October.

Zahra Baker is the 10-year-old girl whose remains were later found scattered in two locations in Caldwell County last fall.  Officials said her body had been dismembered. 

FULL COVERAGE: Follow the entire Zahra Baker case

The newest development in the case is the discovery of a briefcase found on Christie Road in Caldwell County Tuesday morning.  A source said the contents appeared to be bloody clothing.

The briefcase was found deep in the woods beyond the area that had been searched by investigators in November.
The items will be sent to the SBI lab in Raleigh to be analyzed.  Only then will investigators know if the items relate to the case at all.   

MORE,,,,

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13862219

Lawd, how I wish they could find Adam's bloody fingerprints on the inside of that briefcase.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: cookie on January 18, 2011, 02:22:15 PM
Briefcase found which may contain evidence in Zahra Baker case

CALDWELL COUNTY, NC (WBTV) – WBTV has learned that a briefcase has been found that may contain evidence relating to the disappearance of a Hickory girl who was reported missing in October.

Zahra Baker is the 10-year-old girl whose remains were later found scattered in two locations in Caldwell County last fall.  Officials said her body had been dismembered. 

FULL COVERAGE: Follow the entire Zahra Baker case

The newest development in the case is the discovery of a briefcase found on Christie Road in Caldwell County Tuesday morning.  A source said the contents appeared to be bloody clothing.

The briefcase was found deep in the woods beyond the area that had been searched by investigators in November.
The items will be sent to the SBI lab in Raleigh to be analyzed.  Only then will investigators know if the items relate to the case at all.   

MORE,,,,

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13862219

Lawd, how I wish they could find Adam's bloody fingerprints on the inside of that briefcase.

me too! I can't imagine that either of those fools would have had a brief case.. ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 18, 2011, 02:24:03 PM
Loggers find items related to Zahra Baker case

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CALDWELL COUNTY, N.C. -- Loggers working in Caldwell County Tuesday found a briefcase containing items related to the Zahra Baker case.

The briefcase contained what appeared to be a blanket or clothing related to the 10-year-old who was reported missing in October 2010.

The briefcase was found off Christie Road, which is where investigators found Zahra's prosthetic leg on Oct. 26.

The girl was reported missing on Oct. 9. Search warrants indicate Elisa Baker, Zahra's stepmother, told Hickory police that Zahra died on Sept. 24, but there are no details as to how or why she died.

The same warrant says Baker told police that Adam Baker, Zahra's father, dismembered the girl's body and hid parts of it in several locations around Caldwell County.

Elisa Baker is behind bars on charges unrelated to Zahra's death. So far, no one has been charged in connection with the death.

NewsChannel 36 reporter Rad Berky is in Caldwell County. He'll have more details on this developing story tonight on NewsChannel 36 at 6 p.m.

http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Loggers-find-items-related-to-Zahra-Baker-case-114150349.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 18, 2011, 02:25:55 PM
Briefcase found which may contain evidence in Zahra Baker case

CALDWELL COUNTY, NC (WBTV) – WBTV has learned that a briefcase has been found that may contain evidence relating to the disappearance of a Hickory girl who was reported missing in October.

Zahra Baker is the 10-year-old girl whose remains were later found scattered in two locations in Caldwell County last fall.  Officials said her body had been dismembered. 

FULL COVERAGE: Follow the entire Zahra Baker case

The newest development in the case is the discovery of a briefcase found on Christie Road in Caldwell County Tuesday morning.  A source said the contents appeared to be bloody clothing.

The briefcase was found deep in the woods beyond the area that had been searched by investigators in November.
The items will be sent to the SBI lab in Raleigh to be analyzed.  Only then will investigators know if the items relate to the case at all.   

MORE,,,,

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13862219

Lawd, how I wish they could find Adam's bloody fingerprints on the inside of that briefcase.

me too! I can't imagine that either of those fools would have had a brief case.. ::MonkeyRoll::

Probably something to keep all Elisa's marriage licences and alias's in... ::piggy::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 18, 2011, 02:26:00 PM
Elisa Baker indicted on bigamy charges


Elisa Baker, whose stepdaughter’s death and dismemberment have captivated an audience worldwide, was indicted Tuesday on a bigamy charge, accused of marrying Adam Baker in Australia before divorcing her previous husband.

Elisa and Adam Baker were married in Australia in July 2008. Adam Baker’s daughter, Zahra, was reported missing in October. The 10-year-old girl’s body was dismembered and her remains were discarded.

Court documents obtained by the ******* show Elisa and her former husband of 10 years, Aaron Young, separated in May 2008 and divorced on August 21, 2009 – more than a year after Elisa and Adam Baker’s marriage.

Elisa Baker and Young have remained in frequent contact, police say, and photos of Zahra with Young appear the Facebook pages for both Elisa Baker and Young.

Elisa Baker told Adam Baker that Young was her brother, police say.

Bigamy is a low level punishment. For someone like Elisa Baker, who has no felony convictions, she faces probation if convicted.

Police, meanwhile, are continuing their investigation into Zahra Baker’s death. The 10-year-old girl has survived cancer, lost a leg and had a hearing impairment.

The investigation has focused largely on what role, if any, Elisa Baker played in Zahra’s death, according to search warrants unsealed in recent weeks.

Elisa Baker told authorities that Zahra died on Sept. 24 – two weeks before the girl was reported missing. She accused Adam Baker of dismembering his daughter, and said she and Adam Baker dumped Zahra’s body parts in various locations, according to court documents.

Family members have told the ******* that Zahra had been sick before dying and that Elisa and Adam Baker didn’t take her the hospital. They said the Bakers might have feared authorities because Adam Baker was in the country illegally and because DSS had investigated Elisa Baker.

Both Elisa and Adam Baker have denied any wrongdoing.

Elisa Baker has been in jail since October when she was charged with obstruction of justice. Police say she admitted writing a phony ransom note to throw off the investigation into Zahra’s disappearance.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/01/18/1989873/elisa-baker-indicted-on-bigamy.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 18, 2011, 02:31:09 PM
Elisa Baker indicted on bigamy charges


Elisa Baker, whose stepdaughter’s death and dismemberment have captivated an audience worldwide, was indicted Tuesday on a bigamy charge, accused of marrying Adam Baker in Australia before divorcing her previous husband.

Elisa and Adam Baker were married in Australia in July 2008. Adam Baker’s daughter, Zahra, was reported missing in October. The 10-year-old girl’s body was dismembered and her remains were discarded.

Court documents obtained by the ******* show Elisa and her former husband of 10 years, Aaron Young, separated in May 2008 and divorced on August 21, 2009 – more than a year after Elisa and Adam Baker’s marriage.

Elisa Baker and Young have remained in frequent contact, police say, and photos of Zahra with Young appear the Facebook pages for both Elisa Baker and Young.

Elisa Baker told Adam Baker that Young was her brother, police say.

Bigamy is a low level punishment. For someone like Elisa Baker, who has no felony convictions, she faces probation if convicted.

Police, meanwhile, are continuing their investigation into Zahra Baker’s death. The 10-year-old girl has survived cancer, lost a leg and had a hearing impairment.

The investigation has focused largely on what role, if any, Elisa Baker played in Zahra’s death, according to search warrants unsealed in recent weeks.

Elisa Baker told authorities that Zahra died on Sept. 24 – two weeks before the girl was reported missing. She accused Adam Baker of dismembering his daughter, and said she and Adam Baker dumped Zahra’s body parts in various locations, according to court documents.

Family members have told the ******* that Zahra had been sick before dying and that Elisa and Adam Baker didn’t take her the hospital. They said the Bakers might have feared authorities because Adam Baker was in the country illegally and because DSS had investigated Elisa Baker.

Both Elisa and Adam Baker have denied any wrongdoing.

Elisa Baker has been in jail since October when she was charged with obstruction of justice. Police say she admitted writing a phony ransom note to throw off the investigation into Zahra’s disappearance.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/01/18/1989873/elisa-baker-indicted-on-bigamy.html

They are really moving on this case like a house on fire. Indicted on BIGAMY? What about MURDER! I'm gonna have to take another blood pressure pill.  ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: cookie on January 18, 2011, 02:42:28 PM
Elisa Baker indicted on bigamy charges


Elisa Baker, whose stepdaughter’s death and dismemberment have captivated an audience worldwide, was indicted Tuesday on a bigamy charge, accused of marrying Adam Baker in Australia before divorcing her previous husband.

Elisa and Adam Baker were married in Australia in July 2008. Adam Baker’s daughter, Zahra, was reported missing in October. The 10-year-old girl’s body was dismembered and her remains were discarded.

Court documents obtained by the ******* show Elisa and her former husband of 10 years, Aaron Young, separated in May 2008 and divorced on August 21, 2009 – more than a year after Elisa and Adam Baker’s marriage.

Elisa Baker and Young have remained in frequent contact, police say, and photos of Zahra with Young appear the Facebook pages for both Elisa Baker and Young.

Elisa Baker told Adam Baker that Young was her brother, police say.

Bigamy is a low level punishment. For someone like Elisa Baker, who has no felony convictions, she faces probation if convicted.

Police, meanwhile, are continuing their investigation into Zahra Baker’s death. The 10-year-old girl has survived cancer, lost a leg and had a hearing impairment.

The investigation has focused largely on what role, if any, Elisa Baker played in Zahra’s death, according to search warrants unsealed in recent weeks.

Elisa Baker told authorities that Zahra died on Sept. 24 – two weeks before the girl was reported missing. She accused Adam Baker of dismembering his daughter, and said she and Adam Baker dumped Zahra’s body parts in various locations, according to court documents.

Family members have told the ******* that Zahra had been sick before dying and that Elisa and Adam Baker didn’t take her the hospital. They said the Bakers might have feared authorities because Adam Baker was in the country illegally and because DSS had investigated Elisa Baker.

Both Elisa and Adam Baker have denied any wrongdoing.

Elisa Baker has been in jail since October when she was charged with obstruction of justice. Police say she admitted writing a phony ransom note to throw off the investigation into Zahra’s disappearance.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/01/18/1989873/elisa-baker-indicted-on-bigamy.html

They are really moving on this case like a house on fire. Indicted on BIGAMY? What about MURDER! I'm gonna have to take another blood pressure pill.  ::MonkeyMad::

pass one over for me! and I don't even have high blood pressure...


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: cookie on January 18, 2011, 02:42:54 PM
Briefcase found which may contain evidence in Zahra Baker case

CALDWELL COUNTY, NC (WBTV) – WBTV has learned that a briefcase has been found that may contain evidence relating to the disappearance of a Hickory girl who was reported missing in October.

Zahra Baker is the 10-year-old girl whose remains were later found scattered in two locations in Caldwell County last fall.  Officials said her body had been dismembered. 

FULL COVERAGE: Follow the entire Zahra Baker case

The newest development in the case is the discovery of a briefcase found on Christie Road in Caldwell County Tuesday morning.  A source said the contents appeared to be bloody clothing.

The briefcase was found deep in the woods beyond the area that had been searched by investigators in November.
The items will be sent to the SBI lab in Raleigh to be analyzed.  Only then will investigators know if the items relate to the case at all.   

MORE,,,,

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13862219

Lawd, how I wish they could find Adam's bloody fingerprints on the inside of that briefcase.

me too! I can't imagine that either of those fools would have had a brief case.. ::MonkeyRoll::

Probably something to keep all Elisa's marriage licences and alias's in... ::piggy::

lol Fanny...


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 18, 2011, 02:51:47 PM
Elisa Baker indicted on bigamy charges


Elisa Baker, whose stepdaughter’s death and dismemberment have captivated an audience worldwide, was indicted Tuesday on a bigamy charge, accused of marrying Adam Baker in Australia before divorcing her previous husband.

Elisa and Adam Baker were married in Australia in July 2008. Adam Baker’s daughter, Zahra, was reported missing in October. The 10-year-old girl’s body was dismembered and her remains were discarded.

Court documents obtained by the ******* show Elisa and her former husband of 10 years, Aaron Young, separated in May 2008 and divorced on August 21, 2009 – more than a year after Elisa and Adam Baker’s marriage.

Elisa Baker and Young have remained in frequent contact, police say, and photos of Zahra with Young appear the Facebook pages for both Elisa Baker and Young.

Elisa Baker told Adam Baker that Young was her brother, police say.

Bigamy is a low level punishment. For someone like Elisa Baker, who has no felony convictions, she faces probation if convicted.

Police, meanwhile, are continuing their investigation into Zahra Baker’s death. The 10-year-old girl has survived cancer, lost a leg and had a hearing impairment.

The investigation has focused largely on what role, if any, Elisa Baker played in Zahra’s death, according to search warrants unsealed in recent weeks.

Elisa Baker told authorities that Zahra died on Sept. 24 – two weeks before the girl was reported missing. She accused Adam Baker of dismembering his daughter, and said she and Adam Baker dumped Zahra’s body parts in various locations, according to court documents.

Family members have told the ******* that Zahra had been sick before dying and that Elisa and Adam Baker didn’t take her the hospital. They said the Bakers might have feared authorities because Adam Baker was in the country illegally and because DSS had investigated Elisa Baker.

Both Elisa and Adam Baker have denied any wrongdoing.

Elisa Baker has been in jail since October when she was charged with obstruction of justice. Police say she admitted writing a phony ransom note to throw off the investigation into Zahra’s disappearance.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/01/18/1989873/elisa-baker-indicted-on-bigamy.html

They are really moving on this case like a house on fire. Indicted on BIGAMY? What about MURDER! I'm gonna have to take another blood pressure pill.  ::MonkeyMad::

pass one over for me! and I don't even have high blood pressure...
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Bigamy is a low level punishment. For someone like Elisa Baker, who has no felony convictions, she faces probation if convicted.

What does the woman have to do to be a felon?? Didn't Skanky get convicted for a felony for check charges? I know they weren't her checks. She was dumb enough to sign her own name. But Elisa has a record a mile long! Charge her with murder, how 'bout it? Here! I think we all need one of these. 
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Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: BabsKats on January 18, 2011, 02:53:18 PM
I have perhaps a very dumb question, has it ever been absolutely verified when Zhara was actually died/murdered?  I realize there have been dates thrown out there but is it the true for a fact time from the Coronor/autopsy or just what evil Eliza gave?

 I've followed this from the beginning and I don't recall any exact time line.  The only thing that may be was where the mattress was found and the grid matching approximate date at the landfill?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: cookie on January 18, 2011, 02:55:30 PM
I have perhaps a very dumb question, has it ever been absolutely verified when Zhara was actually died/murdered?  I realize there have been dates thrown out there but is it the true for a fact time from the Coronor/autopsy or just what evil Eliza gave?

 I've followed this from the beginning and I don't recall any exact time line.  The only thing that may be was where the mattress was found and the grid matching approximate date at the landfill?

I have followed it from the beginning too..I am not sure if anyone other than her murderers know for sure the exact time line...sad but true...


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: starwynn on January 18, 2011, 03:03:16 PM

Fanny Mae, if it makes you feel better (because it sure made me feel better) there's a section in the warrants that talk about Adam in the suspect role, not the grieving parent role.  I can't recall which page, but I was glad to see language finally pointing to his involvement.

Thanks STARWYNN. I've read the warrants a couple of times and I didn't glean much about suspicions of Adam in them. Maybe I am missing something. The biggest thing I remember was the checking of his phone, and his phone not being where the evidence was found. I'll go back through them again.
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I believe it was in the second set of warrants released; I'd have to go back through and search through them.  I referenced it in a post on here, too.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Monkey King on January 18, 2011, 03:07:33 PM
Indicted on Bigamy! Seems like they are working from the bottom up on this case. Setting the basis for premeditation?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: starwynn on January 18, 2011, 03:11:00 PM
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They are really moving on this case like a house on fire. Indicted on BIGAMY? What about MURDER! I'm gonna have to take another blood pressure pill.  ::MonkeyMad::

OK, really giving them more credit than I *feel* like giving, MAYYYbe they're trying to get this done, have it stick, because it's easily proved.  Mayyyybe if they get SOME verifiable criminal charges on her record, it will some how help to portray her as manipulative, officially, and manipulative enough to have done the murder.  I'd like to think, and might be stretching it to do so, that this could some how make punishments more harsh and conviction more certain in the Zahra case. 

I hope.

Because they're pissing me off, bless 'em.  lol


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 18, 2011, 03:13:57 PM
Logging crew finds briefcase near where Zahra's prosthesis was found


HUDSON --
Logging crews working on Christie Road in Caldwell County Tuesday morning recovered a briefcase that may be related to the Zahra Baker investigation.

The crew was working on the opposite side of the road from where a prosthesis and a bone, both later identified as Zahra Baker's, were recovered in late October.

Because of the proximity to where the evidence to the Baker case was recovered and where the briefcase was found, the logging crew called the Hickory Police Department, thinking it may be related to the case.

The briefcase contained an old, moldy blanket, according to Capt. Thurman Whisnant with the Hickory Police Department. Investigators said they don't know yet if it is connected to Zahra's death.

They are preparing to send it to the SBI lab for further analysis.

Zahra, 10 and a cancer survivor who lost part of her left leg and her hearing to the disease, was first reported missing on Oct. 9. Although she was initially believed to be missing, police changed it to a homicide investigation on Oct. 12. Her stepmother, Elisa Baker, is in jail for writing the false ransom note that was found the day Zahra was reported missing. Elisa has been indicted on one count of felony obstruction of justice for the note, which she confessed to writing.

Much of the evidence in the case has been recovered on Christie Road and Dudley Shoals Road, both in Caldwell County.

Staff is at the scene at Christie Road, gathering additional information. Come back to www.hickoryrecord.com for more information.

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/jan/18/logging-crew-finds-briefcase-near-where-zahras-pro-ar-704576/


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 18, 2011, 03:16:11 PM
Loggers Find Items In Area Where Zahra’s Prosthetic Leg Was Discovered

Posted: 2:28 pm EST January 18, 2011

CALDWELL COUNTY, N.C. -- Loggers working along Christie Road in Caldwell County found a bag with a blanket inside of it on Tuesday afternoon.

The prosthetic leg of 10-year-old Zahra Baker was discovered in the same area in late October. The prosthesis was found directly across the street from the area where the bag was found.

It’s unclear whether the bag and blanket are related to the investigation into Zahra’s disappearance and death.

The girl’s remains were found on Nov. 10 in the Dudley Shoals area. No one has been charged in her death.

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/26530132/detail.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 18, 2011, 03:18:37 PM
Reporting has changed from a briefcase found deep in the woods containing bloodstained clothes to a bag  having a moldy blanket right across the street where the prosthetic cover was found   ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: starwynn on January 18, 2011, 03:20:06 PM
Loggers Find Items In Area Where Zahra’s Prosthetic Leg Was Discovered

Posted: 2:28 pm EST January 18, 2011

CALDWELL COUNTY, N.C. -- Loggers working along Christie Road in Caldwell County found a bag with a blanket inside of it on Tuesday afternoon.

The prosthetic leg of 10-year-old Zahra Baker was discovered in the same area in late October. The prosthesis was found directly across the street from the area where the bag was found.

It’s unclear whether the bag and blanket are related to the investigation into Zahra’s disappearance and death.

The girl’s remains were found on Nov. 10 in the Dudley Shoals area. No one has been charged in her death.

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/26530132/detail.html

Let's hope they can fingerprint the briefcase or the bag, and that the bag is like the white loews bags or another bag from within the house, and that the blanket or cloth inside of it has Zahra's blood.  Maybe that could help pin the insect (Adam) down to actually being part of the dispersal of the body, which can help prove that he was part of it and knew about the death finally.  Even though we ALL knew he knew, "beyond a reasonable doubt" helps.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 18, 2011, 03:29:28 PM
Loggers find items related to Zahra Baker case

CALDWELL COUNTY, N.C. -- Loggers working in Caldwell County Tuesday found a briefcase containing items related to the Zahra Baker case.

The briefcase contained what appeared to be a blanket or clothing related to the 10-year-old who was reported missing in October 2010.

The briefcase was found off Christie Road, which is where investigators found Zahra's prosthetic leg on Oct. 26.

The girl was reported missing on Oct. 9. Search warrants indicate Elisa Baker, Zahra's stepmother, told Hickory police that Zahra died on Sept. 24, but there are no details as to how or why she died.

The same warrant says Baker told police that Adam Baker, Zahra's father, dismembered the girl's body and hid parts of it in several locations around Caldwell County.

Elisa Baker is behind bars on charges unrelated to Zahra's death. So far, no one has been charged in connection with the death.

Meanwhile Tuesday, Elisa Baker was indicted on bigamy charges. Investigators said she was still married to another man when she married Adam Baker.

NewsChannel 36 reporter Rad Berky is in Caldwell County. He'll have more details on this developing story tonight on NewsChannel 36 at 6 p.m.

http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Loggers-find-items-related-to-Zahra-Baker-case-114150349.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 18, 2011, 03:35:41 PM
Briefcase may be connected to Zahra Baker case


Loggers found a briefcase containing a blanket in Caldwell County and police say they are looking for a possible link to their investigation into Zahra Baker’s death.

Investigators said this afternoon they sent the blanket to the State Bureau of Investigation in Raleigh for analysis in the case of the 10-year-old police reported missing in October and declared dead a month later.

When asked Tuesday if the contents were related to the Zahra Baker case, Dep. Chief Clyde Deal said "We can't say for sure that it is or that isn't."

The briefcase was found in the area of Christie road where police found a bone fragment belonging to Zahra and the gel liner of her prosthetic leg.

Zahra, who was hearing-impaired and walked with the help of a prosthesis after losing her left leg to cancer, was reported missing by her father, Adam, on Oct. 9.

A month later, police said they had credible evidence that Zahra was dead after analyzing DNA from the bone fragment found at Christie Road.

Zahra's father, Adam Baker, and stepmother Elisa Baker have denied any wrongdoing in the case. Elisa Baker was arrested on Oct. 10 on unrelated charges, then charged with obstruction of justice on Oct. 12 after investigators say she admitted writing a bogus ransom note.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/01/18/1990058/briefcase-may-be-connected-to.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 18, 2011, 03:54:39 PM

Fanny Mae, if it makes you feel better (because it sure made me feel better) there's a section in the warrants that talk about Adam in the suspect role, not the grieving parent role.  I can't recall which page, but I was glad to see language finally pointing to his involvement.

Thanks STARWYNN. I've read the warrants a couple of times and I didn't glean much about suspicions of Adam in them. Maybe I am missing something. The biggest thing I remember was the checking of his phone, and his phone not being where the evidence was found. I'll go back through them again.

I believe it was in the second set of warrants released; I'd have to go back through and search through them.  I referenced it in a post on here, too.
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I read the second set too. The only thing that perked me up was the fact Adam and Elisa played the Chainsaw Massacre game together online two day before Elisa said Zahra "died."  I'm not saying you are wrong for feeling optimistic. It's just I am not.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 18, 2011, 03:57:09 PM
CALDWELL COUNTY, NC (WBTV) – WBTV has learned that a briefcase has been found that may contain possible blood evidence relating to the disappearance of a Hickory girl who was reported missing in October and later was found dead.

Meanwhile, the stepmother of Zahra Baker was indicted Tuesday afternoon by a grand jury for bigamy as authorities allege Elisa Baker, 42, was married to Zahra's father, Adam, while she was still married to a Caldwell County man.

MORE...

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13862219


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 18, 2011, 04:00:22 PM
O/T NORTHERN has posted some new information on Hailey's thread.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 18, 2011, 04:45:00 PM
Stepmother of Zahra Baker faces bigamy charge

NEWTON, N.C. (AP) - The stepmother of a disabled North Carolina girl who died under mysterious circumstances has been indicted on a charge of bigamy.

The indictment was issued Tuesday. It accuses Elisa Baker of marrying Zahra Baker's father when the North Carolina woman was still legally married to another man.

Court documents show Elisa Baker's marriage to Aaron Young ended in August 2009. But The Associated Press has interviewed people who attended her marriage ceremony to Adam Baker more than a year before that in Australia.

In North Carolina, bigamy is a low level felony.

Calls to lawyers representing Baker were not immediately returned Tuesday .

Elisa Baker is currently in jail on charges of obstructing the investigation into her stepdaughter's disappearance last fall.

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13863852


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 18, 2011, 06:49:59 PM
I have perhaps a very dumb question, has it ever been absolutely verified when Zhara was actually died/murdered? I realize there have been dates thrown out there but is it the true for a fact time from the Coronor/autopsy or just what evil Eliza gave?

 I've followed this from the beginning and I don't recall any exact time line.  The only thing that may be was where the mattress was found and the grid matching approximate date at the landfill?

Bolded by me.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20027306-504083.html
Zahra Baker Update: Disabled NC Girl Died Two Weeks Before Being Reported Missing, Warrant States
January 5, 2011

NEWTON, N.C. (CBS/WBTV/AP) Newly released court documents indicate that 10-year-old Zahra Baker may have died more than two weeks before she was reported missing by her stepmother and father.

That revelation was contained in more than 200 pages of previously sealed search warrants that were released Tuesday afternoon.

According to CBS affiliate WBTV, in one of the warrants, Hickory police recount an interview with Zahra's stepmother, Elisa Baker, where police say Baker stated that Zahra died Sept. 24, and that the next day the body was dismembered and disposed of in various places in Caldwell County.
(snip)


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 18, 2011, 06:55:44 PM
I think the Bigamy charge is important, and it may have just taken some time to get all the ducks in a row to make the charge, such as getting records verified, which include those in Australia.  From what I've gathered from reading, there are a lot of privacy laws in Australia and that may have been part of what took a while to get info to make the charge.    Even though Elisa and/or Adam may have more serious  charges up ahead of them, I don't think prosecutors want to make mistakes and get things thrown out.  They need convictions, not arrests imo.  I think there's a reason the Bigamy charge is being pursued, and I guess we'll need to see it play out.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 18, 2011, 07:23:01 PM
I think the Bigamy charge is important, and it may have just taken some time to get all the ducks in a row to make the charge, such as getting records verified, which include those in Australia.  From what I've gathered from reading, there are a lot of privacy laws in Australia and that may have been part of what took a while to get info to make the charge.    Even though Elisa and/or Adam may have more serious  charges up ahead of them, I don't think prosecutors want to make mistakes and get things thrown out.  They need convictions, not arrests imo.  I think there's a reason the Bigamy charge is being pursued, and I guess we'll need to see it play out.

But MUFFY, you know I'm not a very patient person.  (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/angrycat.jpg)


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 18, 2011, 08:39:44 PM
I think the Bigamy charge is important, and it may have just taken some time to get all the ducks in a row to make the charge, such as getting records verified, which include those in Australia.  From what I've gathered from reading, there are a lot of privacy laws in Australia and that may have been part of what took a while to get info to make the charge.    Even though Elisa and/or Adam may have more serious  charges up ahead of them, I don't think prosecutors want to make mistakes and get things thrown out.  They need convictions, not arrests imo.  I think there's a reason the Bigamy charge is being pursued, and I guess we'll need to see it play out.

But MUFFY, you know I'm not a very patient person.  (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/angrycat.jpg)


Awww, I know Fanny Mae.  We're all ready for some justice for Zahra.   ::MonkeyJustice::   



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on January 18, 2011, 08:49:15 PM
Zahra's stepmum charged with bigamy

    * From: AAP
    * January 19, 2011 9:34AM

ZAHRA Baker's American stepmother has been charged with bigamy.

Elisa Baker, who has been locked up in a North Carolina jail since 10-year-old Wagga Wagga-born Zahra went missing last October, illegally married Zahra's father Adam Baker in a July, 2008, ceremony in Queensland, US prosecutors allege.

Ms Baker was still married to North Carolina man Aaron Young and did not get divorced until August 21, 2009, it is alleged.

Mr Baker, a former Queensland sugar mill worker, met Ms Baker on the internet and apparently was clueless she remained married.

When Mr Baker and Zahra moved from Australia to North Carolina to be with her, prosecutors allege, Ms Baker said Mr Young was her brother.

Authorities are yet to charge anyone with the murder of Zahra, whose body was dismembered and parts tossed or buried in bushland outside of the town of Hickory, North Carolina, where she lived with her father and Ms Baker.

Zahra's prosthetic leg was also dumped in bushland.

Zahra was reported missing from the family home on October 9 and Ms Baker was arrested a day later, accused of writing a fake ransom note.

According to search warrants filed by police investigating Zahra's death, Mr Baker, Ms Baker and Mr Young may have been involved in a bizarre "chainsaw massacre role-playing" game on the internet just days before Zahra went missing.

Investigators continue to follow leads in the case, with the latest the discovery of a briefcase in bushland near where Zahra's prosthetic leg and a piece of bone were discovered in late October.

Logging crews were working in the area yesterday when they found the briefcase.

The crews called police and a mouldy blanket was found inside the briefcase. It has been sent to a laboratory for testing.

The story of Zahra, who had part of her left leg amputated five years ago after a struggle with bone cancer, has made headlines around the world.

AAP

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/zahras-stepmum-charged-with-bigamy/story-e6frg6so-1225990881738


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: sadheart on January 18, 2011, 09:00:48 PM
I think the Bigamy charge is important, and it may have just taken some time to get all the ducks in a row to make the charge, such as getting records verified, which include those in Australia.  From what I've gathered from reading, there are a lot of privacy laws in Australia and that may have been part of what took a while to get info to make the charge.    Even though Elisa and/or Adam may have more serious  charges up ahead of them, I don't think prosecutors want to make mistakes and get things thrown out.  They need convictions, not arrests imo.  I think there's a reason the Bigamy charge is being pursued, and I guess we'll need to see it play out.
The bigamy charge proves they are not legally married and can testify against one another is maybe why it is important.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 18, 2011, 10:42:03 PM
Blanket found possibly related to Zahra case; Elisa Baker indicted

CALDWELL COUNTY, NC (WBTV) – WBTV has learned that a briefcase has been found that may contain possible blood evidence relating to the disappearance of a Hickory girl who was reported missing in October and was later found dead.
Meanwhile, the stepmother of Zahra Baker was indicted Tuesday afternoon by a grand jury for bigamy as authorities allege Elisa Baker, 42, was married to Zahra's father, Adam, while she was still married to a Caldwell County man.
FULL COVERAGE: Follow the entire Zahra Baker case
Zahra Baker is the 10-year-old girl whose scattered remains were found several weeks ago in two locations in Caldwell County.  Officials said her body had been dismembered, but no one has been charged in her death.

The newest development in the case on Tuesday was the discovery of a briefcase found on Christie Road in Caldwell County.  Also, police say that Elisa Baker did not divorce a man before marrying Adam Baker in the summer of 2008. (See the related divorce paperwork here)
A logger found the briefcase just before noon and authorities tell us it appears it had been in the woods for a long time.  A source told WBTV the briefcase contained a blanket possibly stained by blood or some other dark substance.
The briefcase was found deep in the woods beyond the area that was previously searched by investigators in November.
It was across the road from where Zahra's prosthetic leg and bone were found last fall, and about a hundred yards from a concrete memorial marker put up by the owner of the land.
The briefcase and its contents will be sent to the SBI lab in Raleigh to be analyzed.  Only then will investigators know for sure if the items relate to the case.   
Elisa Baker, 42, who has been married at least three times, had her divorce finalized in August 21, 2009, according to Caldwell County court records obtained by WBTV. That marriage began in 1998, according to the documents.  (Read the previous story about the marriages)
Adam Baker, 33, brought 10-year-old Zahra with him when he moved to the US from Australia after meeting Elisa Baker on a website called IMVU, a social network and 3D virtual world where people create characters of themselves.
A conviction on bigamy charges rarely results in jail time, said officials but could change the way any future cases involving Elisa Baker are prosecuted. Under North Carolina law, husbands cannot testify about private conversations with their wives and vice versa unless both parties agree to allow it. That spousal privilege can hinder some cases, said an official who did not want to be named.
While conversations are protected, a spouse can be compelled to testify to what they may have seen the other spouse do.  As to whether a bigamy conviction could make the marriage null and void and eliminate any argument of spousal privilege, officials say that would be a matter for the courts to decide.


MORE....

http://hickory.wbtv.com/content/blanket-found-possibly-related-zahra-case-elisa-baker-indicted


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 18, 2011, 10:44:00 PM
Dad's View: Where was Zahra Baker's father?


Dads are supposed to be protectors.

How many times have you heard about fathers meeting their daughter’s date before the date? How many times do nervous young men sit down with fathers, asking for a daughter’s hand in marriage? Men understand other men. Fathers know what make for good husbands, or they should.

Why didn’t Zahra Baker’s father know what makes for a good stepmother? How could he know so little in terms of who was around his daughter, now dead? I have more questions for Adam Baker than a prosecutor will for the stepmother, Elisa Baker.

I do my best to protect my daughters. Do I know who they play with on the playground at school? Do I know who their ballet teacher is married to? How close do I live to a sexual predator? Those are jobs I own, though ones at which I might not be excelling. I think it’s a shame that I should have to think that way.

If Elisa Baker had anything to do with the death of poor Zahra, then what kind of protector was the “innocent until proven guilty” father, Adam Baker.

“There's no way I would do that to my baby,” Adam Baker told WBTV. “There's no way in the world I would hurt my daughter.”

My anxious mind and heart enter each new year of my daughters’ lives with the knowledge that I’m supposed to know more than them. I’m supposed to have them engulfed in safety, inside or outside the walls of my home. The world’s become a scary place. It’s no longer the “Leave It To Beaver” world of the 1950s and 60s for today’s children.

Zahra Baker should be living like a kid, enjoying new experiences that come with each new day of the new year. But a family and community in the North Carolina mountains rang in 2011 with one less loved one.

MORE....

http://www.wral.com/lifestyles/goaskmom/blogpost/8961909/


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: statru on January 18, 2011, 11:42:15 PM
Did judge overstep in the Zahra Baker case?
Gaither says Poovey had no right to release warrants

Hickory --
Superior Court Judge Nathaniel Poovey has released 11 warrants related to the Zahra Baker investigation. Some of the documents provided stark insights into the circumstances surrounding the 10-year-old girl's death and dismemberment such as allegations that the child may have been raped before she was killed. Others were mundane, like information about medical records.

An additional 30 warrants were unsealed after the District Attorney's office removed its objections allowing the media to access the documents.


The question is: Did Poovey have the power to release documents sealed by fellow Superior Court judges, or did he overstep his authority?

Some say he did.

"The release of the sealed documents caused immediate and irreparable harm to the state, whereas the injury to the public and the media by a temporary stay of the effect would have been minimal," said District Attorney Jay Gaither.

Poovey released the warrants on Nov. 30. Gaither's office filed a notice of appeal with the North Carolina Court of Appeals on Dec. 30.


Gaither said the appeal isn't about the information in the warrants, but how the warrants were unsealed.

Gaither's concern is that a judge could repeat these actions.

"The dispute is capable of repetition yet evading review," according to notice of appeal.

Though that explains why Gaither is appealing the decision after the warrants have already been unsealed, but the argument may not be enough to convince the Court of Appeals to hear the matter.

"I don't think the Court of Appeals is going to hear it just because it may happen again," said 24-year veteran Superior Court judge Forrest Ferrell, who is now in private practice.

In his order releasing the warrants, Poovey wrote that the public has the right to know what's in them. The district attorney argued that releasing the warrants could jeopardize the case by undermining an ongoing investigation and denying a fair trial to anyone who may be charged in Zahra's death.

But the issue at hand is not whether the information in the warrants should be public or whether their release would mean that the person who killed Zahra could avoid prosecution.

The issue is whether Poovey overstepped his authority when he released the warrants in contradiction to signed orders from four other Superior Court judges.

Gaither thinks it’s a matter for the state appeals court to decide.

"The Court is without authority to overrule, modify or rescind an Order of the Court of the same Division when such an Order is plain, complete and unambiguous," according to the notice of appeal. "Judge Poovey's Order is an impermissible exercise of appellate jurisdiction by a trial Judge."

Ferrell agreed that, in most cases, Superior Court judges should not reverse one another's decisions.

"It is generally true that one Superior Court judge cannot overrule another - unless all the parties agree to it," he said.

N.C. Press Association attorney Amanda Martin does not think Poovey’s Nov. 30 order “overruled” the earlier orders. Martin represented the Hickory Daily Record and several media companies who petitioned the court for the unsealing of the warrants.

“First, each of the earlier orders contained the phrase “until further order of the court,” implying that a subsequent order would be appropriate to release documents that had been sealed,’’ said Martin.

“Even more fundamentally, however, the Administrative Order stated that warrants would be sealed for 30 days unless a specific time were stated.  In this case, no specific time was stated, and therefore by definition the warrants were public after 30 days,” sid Martin. “Judge Poovey’s Order simply recognized or clarified that fact.”

THE CONFLICT'S ORIGIN

The problem started Oct. 1 - more than a week before Zahra was reported missing - when Senior Resident Superior Court Judge Timothy Kincaid issued an administrative order about search warrants. It stated that search warrants are public record after they have been served unless a judge issues an order sealing them. If a warrant is sealed, that sealing order "Shall expire in 30 days unless a different expiration date is specified in the order."

Kincaid’s order echoes North Carolina’s Public Record Law, which states that search warrants become public records once they have been served.

When Zahra Baker was reported missing Oct. 9 and the search was declared a homicide investigation on Oct. 12, search warrants were issued for a variety of locations, electronic devices and websites.

Judges Kincaid, Poovey, Robert Bell, Richard Boner, Burford Cherry and Thomas Locke sealed the warrants indefinitely, "until further order of the court," in response to the district attorney's requests. That phrase made the orders appear to be in conflict with Kincaid's Oct. 1 order.

When Poovey released 11 search warrants on Nov. 30, he wrote that, "When possible, orders shall be read in such a way as to resolve or avoid conflict," and ordered the Clerk of Court to release the warrants.

A judge has the ability to vacate his own orders, but that's not what Poovey did in the Zahra case. He countermanded his fellow judges' orders by issuing an order to release warrants he interpreted to have already been unsealed through Kincaid's Oct. 1 order.

North Carolina law states that only appellate (appeals) courts have the authority to parse conflicting orders from judges. "No judge can change, abrogate or overrule another judge of the same court." (Morley vs. Morley) The only exception would be an instance where it could be shown that the judge whose order was being re-versed had committed "abuse of discretion." (Pinney vs. Sate Farm).

It remains to be seen if the state appeals court will agree to hear the District Attorney's motion.

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/jan/16/did-judge-overstep-zahra-baker-case-ar-697708/


All I'm gonna say about this is Jay Gaither is a damn fool, and I am glad I dont live in Cat. Co
If he didnt want them released it was the job of HIS OFFICE to go back to court and ask for an extension once the 30 days was up. Why wait til 30 DAYS AFTER THEY WERE RELEASED TO COMPLAIN?

He is posturing now. Giving himself an out if this case goes south. He gets this on record now, and he will be able to blame it on Poovey later. In trying to cover his ass, he is making himself look like an idiot.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: starwynn on January 18, 2011, 11:54:59 PM
I think the Bigamy charge is important, and it may have just taken some time to get all the ducks in a row to make the charge, such as getting records verified, which include those in Australia.  From what I've gathered from reading, there are a lot of privacy laws in Australia and that may have been part of what took a while to get info to make the charge.    Even though Elisa and/or Adam may have more serious  charges up ahead of them, I don't think prosecutors want to make mistakes and get things thrown out.  They need convictions, not arrests imo.  I think there's a reason the Bigamy charge is being pursued, and I guess we'll need to see it play out.
The bigamy charge proves they are not legally married and can testify against one another is maybe why it is important.

OHHH hot diggity d___!!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 19, 2011, 12:27:39 AM
Stepmother of Zahra Baker faces bigamy charge (with video)

http://charlotte.news14.com/content/top_stories/635510/stepmother-of-zahra-baker-faces-bigamy-charge


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 19, 2011, 12:29:26 AM
Briefcase Found In Area Where Zahra’s Prosthetic Leg Was Discovered  (with video)


CALDWELL COUNTY, N.C. -- Loggers working along Christie Road in Caldwell County found a briefcase with a blanket inside of it on Tuesday afternoon.

VIDEO: Briefcase Found In Area Where Zahra's Prosthetic Leg Was Discovered


The prosthetic leg of 10-year-old Zahra Baker was discovered in the same area in late October. The prosthesis was found directly across the street from the area where the briefcase was found.

The loggers’ work came to an abrupt halt after a cutter spotted the briefcase deep in the woods, about a quarter of a mile from the roadway.

“I think it's still tragic and if we can find something that helps, I hope we did it,” logger Tim Bristol said.

It’s unclear whether the briefcase and blanket are related to the investigation into Zahra’s disappearance and death. Police said only that the blanket was covered in mold and mildew and that they plan to test it at the state lab.

Meanwhile, a grand jury met in Catawba County on Tuesday and indicted Zahra’s stepmother, Elisa Baker, for bigamy. She is accused of marrying Zahra's father, Adam Baker, while she was still legally married to another man.

Renee Bobbitt, who was a neighbor of the Bakers, said Elisa Baker’s other husband lived across the street.

“Everybody around here thought that was her brother,” Bobbitt said. “We didn't know it was one of her husbands.”

No one has been charged in Zahra’s death, and many community members said Tuesday that they are waiting to hear of more serious charges in the case. It’s been more than three months since the girl was reported missing.

“Who cares about the bigamy stuff? Let's get to the charges -- the real charges,” Caroline Duraska said.

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/26530132/detail.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 19, 2011, 12:35:52 AM
Briefcase Found In Area Where Zahra's Prosthetic Leg Was Discovered
http://www.wsoctv.com/video/26532273/index.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 19, 2011, 12:40:18 AM
Loggers find items related to Zahra Baker case; stepmother indicted  (with video)


CALDWELL COUNTY, N.C. -- Loggers working in Caldwell County Tuesday found a briefcase containing items related to the Zahra Baker case on the same day a new criminal charge came down against Elisa Baker, Zahra's stepmom.

The briefcase contained what appeared to be a blanket or clothing related to the 10-year-old who was reported missing in October 2010.

The briefcase was found off Christie Road, which is where investigators found Zahra's prosthetic leg on Oct. 26.

Tim Bristol is one of the loggers who was working in the area when the briefcase was found. He said the case appeared to be brand new and they suspected right away it might be related to the death of Zahra Baker.

“We thought it probably had something to do with this case, you know,” he explained. “I think it’s tragic and if we can find something to help, I hope we did it.”

The girl was reported missing on Oct. 9. Search warrants indicate Elisa Baker, Zahra's stepmother, told Hickory police that Zahra died on Sept. 24, but there are no details as to how or why she died.

The same warrant says Baker told police that Adam Baker, Zahra's father, dismembered the girl's body and hid parts of it in several locations around Caldwell County.

Elisa Baker is behind bars on charges unrelated to Zahra's death. So far, no one has been charged in connection with the death.

Meanwhile Tuesday, Elisa Baker was indicted on bigamy charges. Investigators said she was still married to another man, Aaron Yong, when she married Adam Baker.

Police said Elisa and Young fooled people into thinking they were siblings when they stopped living as husband and wife. Young's brother told NewsChannel 36 the whole family even celebrated Christmas together.

Though the charge of bigamy is a minor one--a Class I felony--without serious criminal penalties, the indictment brought Tuesday might have hidden consequences.

Missy Owen, a Charlotte attorney, told NewsChannel 36 a conviction would invalidate Elisa Baker's marriage to Adam Baker, which would keep the couple from using spousal privilege in a legal proceeding.

"If the marriage is invalidated, that privilege no longer exists...They would be sworn under oath and required to tell the truth," Owen said. "If they are looking to use one of the Bakers against each other....seeking to have their marriage determined null and void would be very important."

The North Carolina statue on spousal privilege specifies that spouses can be compelled to testify about each other behaviors, but they can't be asked to reveal "confidential communication."

http://www.wcnc.com/news/zahra-baker/Loggers-find-items-related-to-Zahra-Baker-case-114150349.html


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Post by: Lake Erie Princess on January 19, 2011, 12:45:27 AM
Having indicted Gothmommy on Bigamy charges is for me like light at the end of the long....tunnel.
After she is found guilty of this, then
LE can have a field day with the 2 of those fools
turning on each other like rattle snakes who are starved ! ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 19, 2011, 12:45:50 AM
Video showing briefcase

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13862219


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: klaasend on January 19, 2011, 01:17:36 AM
Video showing briefcase

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13862219

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/2011Jan/ZahraBriefcase011811.jpg)


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: cookie on January 19, 2011, 09:40:09 AM
there should be fingerprints or dna somewhere on that briefcase! or a hair or a fiber...


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 19, 2011, 09:58:30 AM
Ok. I woke up with a new attitude about the bigamy charge. I don't have much hope for what Adam will say. He will probably testify " I wuz at werk."  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 19, 2011, 10:11:05 AM
Kat - have you kept up with the craziness on the FB sites for Zahra?


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Post by: Northern Rose on January 19, 2011, 06:32:50 PM
Elisa Baker's ex denies role in Zahra's death (WITH AY ON VIDEO's - 3 VIDEOS)

HICKORY, N.C. – Aaron Young, who was married to Elisa Baker for a decade, and is considered a key figure in the Zahra Baker disappearance and murder investigation told News 14 Carolina on Wednesday that he felt like a father to young girl.

“I loved Zahra just as much as anybody. I got close to her and she was close to me and we always had fun together. (There) ain't no way I could do that to any kid, especially Zahra, because Zahra, like I said, was basically the perfect child,” he said.

Elisa Baker was charged with bigamy earlier this week because authorities say she was still married to Young when she married Adam Baker and became Zahra's stepmother. Young said Zahra called him “Uncle Aaron,” and that relationship, he said, involved him in Zahra's death investigation.

“I know I didn't have anything to do with it whatsoever. I hadn't been around Elisa since February. I'd run into them a couple times and that'd be it. I hadn't even, I'd never been to the house in Hickory. I don't even know what the inside of it looks like,” he said.

Young had spent a lot of time with Elisa, Adam and Zahra Baker and said Elisa was jealous of the attention Zahra recieved.

“I didn't see physical abuse firsthand. I seen some bruises on her and she would basically say the same thing Elisa said. She'd fall, she tripped and fell into the sink one time. I guess people just believed it because Zahra was telling the same thing that Elisa was and Zahra loved Elisa like her own mother and she called her 'mum,' said Young.

Young said he reported abuse to Social Services in February, around the time he lost contact with the Bakers. He found out Zahra was missing when everyone else did

“I thought she ran away because of all the emotional abuse and stuff, that was my hopes anyway. I hoped she ran away,” he said.

Then he heard more details and that Elisa was a suspect.

“I don't know anybody that would be involved. but I know Elisa is capable of doing this herself. She's not this weak woman, you know, that people want to think she is. She's strong enough to handle her own. She could do all this herself.

Young said Adam Baker is a good man with a big heart and he has a hard time believing he had something to do with Zarha's death.

http://charlotte.news14.com/content/top_stories/635567/elisa-baker-s-ex-denies-role-in-zahra-s-death



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 19, 2011, 06:42:49 PM
When watching the above videos you think they are over and then they keep going.  Don't click the next one too soon.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 19, 2011, 07:13:59 PM
Elisa Baker's ex denies role in Zahra's death (WITH AY ON VIDEO's - 3 VIDEOS)

HICKORY, N.C. – Aaron Young, who was married to Elisa Baker for a decade, and is considered a key figure in the Zahra Baker disappearance and murder investigation told News 14 Carolina on Wednesday that he felt like a father to young girl.

“I loved Zahra just as much as anybody. I got close to her and she was close to me and we always had fun together. (There) ain't no way I could do that to any kid, especially Zahra, because Zahra, like I said, was basically the perfect child,” he said.

Elisa Baker was charged with bigamy earlier this week because authorities say she was still married to Young when she married Adam Baker and became Zahra's stepmother. Young said Zahra called him “Uncle Aaron,” and that relationship, he said, involved him in Zahra's death investigation.

“I know I didn't have anything to do with it whatsoever. I hadn't been around Elisa since February. I'd run into them a couple times and that'd be it. I hadn't even, I'd never been to the house in Hickory. I don't even know what the inside of it looks like,” he said.

Young had spent a lot of time with Elisa, Adam and Zahra Baker and said Elisa was jealous of the attention Zahra recieved.

“I didn't see physical abuse firsthand. I seen some bruises on her and she would basically say the same thing Elisa said. She'd fall, she tripped and fell into the sink one time. I guess people just believed it because Zahra was telling the same thing that Elisa was and Zahra loved Elisa like her own mother and she called her 'mum,' said Young.

Young said he reported abuse to Social Services in February, around the time he lost contact with the Bakers. He found out Zahra was missing when everyone else did

“I thought she ran away because of all the emotional abuse and stuff, that was my hopes anyway. I hoped she ran away,” he said.

Then he heard more details and that Elisa was a suspect.

“I don't know anybody that would be involved. but I know Elisa is capable of doing this herself. She's not this weak woman, you know, that people want to think she is. She's strong enough to handle her own. She could do all this herself.

Young said Adam Baker is a good man with a big heart and he has a hard time believing he had something to do with Zarha's death.

http://charlotte.news14.com/content/top_stories/635567/elisa-baker-s-ex-denies-role-in-zahra-s-death



AY also said Adam was a "macho man" and he was afraid of telling Adam about being married to Elisa. (My eyes are crossed from staring at the strange piercings. What is that all about?)  He also states he didn't see any abuse of Zahra, but says he wrote a letter to Child Protection Services to complain about the abuse. I wonder what the real breakup between AY and Alisa back in February was about.

 He kept saying he hadn't see Zahra since February. Was it over the letter? He was seeing the abuse all along. So why did he write the letter then? He said he would see Elisa and Adam out and about after that and would speak, but he never saw Zahra with them.

Why is everyone protecting Adam? Even his husband-in-law!  ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 19, 2011, 07:15:53 PM
I don't know Fanny.  I was shocked when AY said he thought IMVU was only a place to chat in and did not know all that other stuff was going on   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Tolerance on January 19, 2011, 07:23:17 PM
I can only imagine how very proud Home Depot and Tony Stewart are to know that AY is wearing their pit crew ball cap during these interviews.
Tony is a strong advocate for children and donates money and time to the Victory Junction Gang and other Children Charities.
Infuriating


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Nightowl on January 19, 2011, 07:31:00 PM
Hi Monkeys, the thing that struck me about that interview with AY was his voice and how softly spoken he was.  Also when people talk the cadence of their voice normally rises up and down, with AY his cadence is flat, calm and emotionless and it also struck me that AB speaks the same way, softly, calmly and with no emotion, remember the 911 call.  Is this a "type" that EB goes for in her men or do they turn out that way after living with her?  It's weird, IMO of course. ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 19, 2011, 07:41:41 PM
I don't know Fanny.  I was shocked when AY said he thought IMVU was only a place to chat in and did not know all that other stuff was going on   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I have been afraid to go there and even look. But if you are into the fantasy life, it would seem you would know about something like that too if you were interested enough to join. What did he do? Go in there and dress in stockings and a boa and chat? (I really don't know where that came from. I'm trying real hard not to get mad.) I don't think there was a single normal person in Zahra's life. The whole fam damily is nuts and weird!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 19, 2011, 07:43:47 PM
Hi Monkeys, the thing that struck me about that interview with AY was his voice and how softly spoken he was.  Also when people talk the cadence of their voice normally rises up and down, with AY his cadence is flat, calm and emotionless and it also struck me that AB speaks the same way, softly, calmly and with no emotion, remember the 911 call.  Is this a "type" that EB goes for in her men or do they turn out that way after living with her?  It's weird, IMO of course. ::MonkeyWink::

She probably scared the emotion out of them. She scares me just to see her picture. She must have sucked Adam's brains out of his head. He acts like he's had a lobotomy.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Curly on January 19, 2011, 07:49:06 PM

http://charlotte.news14.com/content/top_stories/635567/elisa-baker-s-ex-denies-role-in-zahra-s-death

So, Elisa is a serial bigamist?
She married him in 1998 and didn't get divorced until 1999 from her prior husband?

I have no words (that are printable) for these monsters.




Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 19, 2011, 07:53:20 PM

http://charlotte.news14.com/content/top_stories/635567/elisa-baker-s-ex-denies-role-in-zahra-s-death

So, Elisa is a serial bigamist?
She married him in 1998 and didn't get divorced until 1999 from her prior husband?

I have no words (that are printable) for these monsters.




But she not a felon. With all her past crap, she is still not a felon.   ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Curly on January 19, 2011, 07:56:15 PM

http://charlotte.news14.com/content/top_stories/635567/elisa-baker-s-ex-denies-role-in-zahra-s-death

So, Elisa is a serial bigamist?
She married him in 1998 and didn't get divorced until 1999 from her prior husband?

I have no words (that are printable) for these monsters.




But she not a felon. With all her past crap, she is still not a felon.   ::MonkeyMad::

She will be (eventually..if these SA's get their acts together, evah)


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: starwynn on January 19, 2011, 08:22:51 PM
Elisa Baker's ex denies role in Zahra's death (WITH AY ON VIDEO's - 3 VIDEOS)

HICKORY, N.C. – Aaron Young, who was married to Elisa Baker for a decade, and is considered a key figure in the Zahra Baker disappearance and murder investigation told News 14 Carolina on Wednesday that he felt like a father to young girl.

“I loved Zahra just as much as anybody. I got close to her and she was close to me and we always had fun together. (There) ain't no way I could do that to any kid, especially Zahra, because Zahra, like I said, was basically the perfect child,” he said.

Elisa Baker was charged with bigamy earlier this week because authorities say she was still married to Young when she married Adam Baker and became Zahra's stepmother. Young said Zahra called him “Uncle Aaron,” and that relationship, he said, involved him in Zahra's death investigation.

“I know I didn't have anything to do with it whatsoever. I hadn't been around Elisa since February. I'd run into them a couple times and that'd be it. I hadn't even, I'd never been to the house in Hickory. I don't even know what the inside of it looks like,” he said.

Young had spent a lot of time with Elisa, Adam and Zahra Baker and said Elisa was jealous of the attention Zahra recieved.

“I didn't see physical abuse firsthand. I seen some bruises on her and she would basically say the same thing Elisa said. She'd fall, she tripped and fell into the sink one time. I guess people just believed it because Zahra was telling the same thing that Elisa was and Zahra loved Elisa like her own mother and she called her 'mum,' said Young.

Young said he reported abuse to Social Services in February, around the time he lost contact with the Bakers. He found out Zahra was missing when everyone else did

“I thought she ran away because of all the emotional abuse and stuff, that was my hopes anyway. I hoped she ran away,” he said.

Then he heard more details and that Elisa was a suspect.

“I don't know anybody that would be involved. but I know Elisa is capable of doing this herself. She's not this weak woman, you know, that people want to think she is. She's strong enough to handle her own. She could do all this herself.

Young said Adam Baker is a good man with a big heart and he has a hard time believing he had something to do with Zarha's death.

http://charlotte.news14.com/content/top_stories/635567/elisa-baker-s-ex-denies-role-in-zahra-s-death



Yeah, and Adam Baker married Elisa Baker so he must have thought she was a sweetheart; shows how much he knows!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: mizjay on January 19, 2011, 08:53:02 PM
Hi Monkeys, the thing that struck me about that interview with AY was his voice and how softly spoken he was.  Also when people talk the cadence of their voice normally rises up and down, with AY his cadence is flat, calm and emotionless and it also struck me that AB speaks the same way, softly, calmly and with no emotion, remember the 911 call.  Is this a "type" that EB goes for in her men or do they turn out that way after living with her?  It's weird, IMO of course. ::MonkeyWink::

She probably scared the emotion out of them. She scares me just to see her picture. She must have sucked Adam's brains out of his head. He acts like he's had a lobotomy.
She's a succubus!  She woos these brain dead doofs and then takes em for all the disability checks she can get her fat grubby hands on.  ::piggy::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: pfaubush on January 19, 2011, 10:27:12 PM
Elisa Baker's ex denies role in Zahra's death (WITH AY ON VIDEO's - 3 VIDEOS)

HICKORY, N.C. – Aaron Young, who was married to Elisa Baker for a decade, and is considered a key figure in the Zahra Baker disappearance and murder investigation told News 14 Carolina on Wednesday that he felt like a father to young girl.

“I loved Zahra just as much as anybody. I got close to her and she was close to me and we always had fun together. (There) ain't no way I could do that to any kid, especially Zahra, because Zahra, like I said, was basically the perfect child,” he said.

Elisa Baker was charged with bigamy earlier this week because authorities say she was still married to Young when she married Adam Baker and became Zahra's stepmother. Young said Zahra called him “Uncle Aaron,” and that relationship, he said, involved him in Zahra's death investigation.

“I know I didn't have anything to do with it whatsoever. I hadn't been around Elisa since February. I'd run into them a couple times and that'd be it. I hadn't even, I'd never been to the house in Hickory. I don't even know what the inside of it looks like,” he said.

Young had spent a lot of time with Elisa, Adam and Zahra Baker and said Elisa was jealous of the attention Zahra recieved.

“I didn't see physical abuse firsthand. I seen some bruises on her and she would basically say the same thing Elisa said. She'd fall, she tripped and fell into the sink one time. I guess people just believed it because Zahra was telling the same thing that Elisa was and Zahra loved Elisa like her own mother and she called her 'mum,' said Young.

Young said he reported abuse to Social Services in February, around the time he lost contact with the Bakers. He found out Zahra was missing when everyone else did

“I thought she ran away because of all the emotional abuse and stuff, that was my hopes anyway. I hoped she ran away,” he said.

Then he heard more details and that Elisa was a suspect.

“I don't know anybody that would be involved. but I know Elisa is capable of doing this herself. She's not this weak woman, you know, that people want to think she is. She's strong enough to handle her own. She could do all this herself.

Young said Adam Baker is a good man with a big heart and he has a hard time believing he had something to do with Zarha's death.

http://charlotte.news14.com/content/top_stories/635567/elisa-baker-s-ex-denies-role-in-zahra-s-death



AY also said Adam was a "macho man" and he was afraid of telling Adam about being married to Elisa. (My eyes are crossed from staring at the strange piercings. What is that all about?)  He also states he didn't see any abuse of Zahra, but says he wrote a letter to Child Protection Services to complain about the abuse. I wonder what the real breakup between AY and Alisa back in February was about.

 He kept saying he hadn't see Zahra since February. Was it over the letter? He was seeing the abuse all along. So why did he write the letter then? He said he would see Elisa and Adam out and about after that and would speak, but he never saw Zahra with them.

Why is everyone protecting Adam? Even his husband-in-law!  ::MonkeyMad::

LOL @ husband-in-law!!!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: starwynn on January 20, 2011, 01:10:33 PM
My oops ... I meant to say that AY married EB...   It's odd how now AY seems to be implying that EB is perfectly capable of doing everything on her own, and not to believe the weak-woman persona she put on.  I wonder if he's doing it because he didn't have a part of it and a) just hates her, b) really believes it, c) knows more about what she's into than he's letting on... or if he DID have part in it and is trying to deflect the attention from his role.  I wonder if she has seen the interview, and what her reaction to it would be.

I also noted that he admits he saw the emotional abuse... accidentally admits, that is.  Then he has to do some fancy dance steps to say that of *course* he never saw any of the physical.  Even though he saw bruises, and knew she was emotionally abusing the child.

I don't know if any of y'all ever had abusive situations, but from my experience I got over the physical stuff rather easily; it's the mental stuff, particularly when you're not grown yet (and even if you are) that really messes you up .... to a certain point.  Obviously they're both totally unacceptable, but that's the point - they're BOTH unacceptable and a lot of people let the mental go on, didn't they?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 20, 2011, 02:07:35 PM
My oops ... I meant to say that AY married EB...   It's odd how now AY seems to be implying that EB is perfectly capable of doing everything on her own, and not to believe the weak-woman persona she put on.  I wonder if he's doing it because he didn't have a part of it and a) just hates her, b) really believes it, c) knows more about what she's into than he's letting on... or if he DID have part in it and is trying to deflect the attention from his role.  I wonder if she has seen the interview, and what her reaction to it would be.

I also noted that he admits he saw the emotional abuse... accidentally admits, that is.  Then he has to do some fancy dance steps to say that of *course* he never saw any of the physical.  Even though he saw bruises, and knew she was emotionally abusing the child.

I don't know if any of y'all ever had abusive situations, but from my experience I got over the physical stuff rather easily; it's the mental stuff, particularly when you're not grown yet (and even if you are) that really messes you up .... to a certain point.  Obviously they're both totally unacceptable, but that's the point - they're BOTH unacceptable and a lot of people let the mental go on, didn't they?

Actually, I think Elisa looks big enough, bad enough, and mean enough to do this by herself. I have no doubt about that. But I don't think she did. Adam would have to be catatonic not to know, see, and smell what happened. He lived, slept, bathed (maybe), went to the toilet, played on the computer, and ate in the same place all this took place. He lied about when he last saw Zahra, and had to know that was Elisa's writing on the ransom note.  Naw! Elisa had help, and I think it is obvious who did helped. Did others know about it? You betcha'. MOO


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Brandi on January 20, 2011, 03:30:02 PM
My oops ... I meant to say that AY married EB...   It's odd how now AY seems to be implying that EB is perfectly capable of doing everything on her own, and not to believe the weak-woman persona she put on.  I wonder if he's doing it because he didn't have a part of it and a) just hates her, b) really believes it, c) knows more about what she's into than he's letting on... or if he DID have part in it and is trying to deflect the attention from his role.  I wonder if she has seen the interview, and what her reaction to it would be.

I also noted that he admits he saw the emotional abuse... accidentally admits, that is.  Then he has to do some fancy dance steps to say that of *course* he never saw any of the physical.  Even though he saw bruises, and knew she was emotionally abusing the child.

I don't know if any of y'all ever had abusive situations, but from my experience I got over the physical stuff rather easily; it's the mental stuff, particularly when you're not grown yet (and even if you are) that really messes you up .... to a certain point.  Obviously they're both totally unacceptable, but that's the point - they're BOTH unacceptable and a lot of people let the mental go on, didn't they?

Actually, I think Elisa looks big enough, bad enough, and mean enough to do this by herself. I have no doubt about that. But I don't think she did. Adam would have to be catatonic not to know, see, and smell what happened. He lived, slept, bathed (maybe), went to the toilet, played on the computer, and ate in the same place all this took place. He lied about when he last saw Zahra, and had to know that was Elisa's writing on the ransom note.  Naw! Elisa had help, and I think it is obvious who did helped. Did others know about it? You betcha'. MOO

Oh, I agree with every word you typed, Fanny!

Yes indeedy.

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: starwynn on January 20, 2011, 03:42:00 PM
My oops ... I meant to say that AY married EB...   It's odd how now AY seems to be implying that EB is perfectly capable of doing everything on her own, and not to believe the weak-woman persona she put on.  I wonder if he's doing it because he didn't have a part of it and a) just hates her, b) really believes it, c) knows more about what she's into than he's letting on... or if he DID have part in it and is trying to deflect the attention from his role.  I wonder if she has seen the interview, and what her reaction to it would be.

I also noted that he admits he saw the emotional abuse... accidentally admits, that is.  Then he has to do some fancy dance steps to say that of *course* he never saw any of the physical.  Even though he saw bruises, and knew she was emotionally abusing the child.

I don't know if any of y'all ever had abusive situations, but from my experience I got over the physical stuff rather easily; it's the mental stuff, particularly when you're not grown yet (and even if you are) that really messes you up .... to a certain point.  Obviously they're both totally unacceptable, but that's the point - they're BOTH unacceptable and a lot of people let the mental go on, didn't they?

Actually, I think Elisa looks big enough, bad enough, and mean enough to do this by herself. I have no doubt about that. But I don't think she did. Adam would have to be catatonic not to know, see, and smell what happened. He lived, slept, bathed (maybe), went to the toilet, played on the computer, and ate in the same place all this took place. He lied about when he last saw Zahra, and had to know that was Elisa's writing on the ransom note.  Naw! Elisa had help, and I think it is obvious who did helped. Did others know about it? You betcha'. MOO

I agree; I think she looks as weak as a bulldozer!  I do not, however, believe that she would be able to handle the chainsaws, and the outdoor equipment as well without Adam's help.  I think it is pretty obvious that he not only knew but helped.  I feel this particularly if her death date was Sept 24, and we really have no reason to believe that Elisa was making that date up - except if she did it to implicate Adam along with herself.  But I doubt it. 

I am really frustrated that Adam isn't in jail, at least awaiting his day in court for this.  Mr. Nice Guy (to AY, whose judgement I think is highly suspect) was implicated as being just as threatening, just as dangerous, as ELisa by her daughter.  If he weren't involved actively in the threats to EB's daughter, why would she have implicated him if he's such a great guy?  She wouldn't have; she would have let it all be on her mom.  But she did, and I think that means that whatever the true level of threat there was, he was completely involved.

I watch the interview about Zahra - the only time I see any evidence of what looks like truly being sad about anything (and I'm not talking about that little snuffling crap at the end of the interview where he turns to the detective) is when he gets choked up about not having had contact with his wife.  I think that he really did get taken in by her, even if in a non-healthy codependent someone-finally-wants-me-way, enough so to have done just about anything she said - particularly if it meant covering up for the death of his daughter because he would get in trouble for it.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Nana29 on January 20, 2011, 03:42:01 PM
My oops ... I meant to say that AY married EB...   It's odd how now AY seems to be implying that EB is perfectly capable of doing everything on her own, and not to believe the weak-woman persona she put on.  I wonder if he's doing it because he didn't have a part of it and a) just hates her, b) really believes it, c) knows more about what she's into than he's letting on... or if he DID have part in it and is trying to deflect the attention from his role.  I wonder if she has seen the interview, and what her reaction to it would be.

I also noted that he admits he saw the emotional abuse... accidentally admits, that is.  Then he has to do some fancy dance steps to say that of *course* he never saw any of the physical.  Even though he saw bruises, and knew she was emotionally abusing the child.

I don't know if any of y'all ever had abusive situations, but from my experience I got over the physical stuff rather easily; it's the mental stuff, particularly when you're not grown yet (and even if you are) that really messes you up .... to a certain point.  Obviously they're both totally unacceptable, but that's the point - they're BOTH unacceptable and a lot of people let the mental go on, didn't they?

Actually, I think Elisa looks big enough, bad enough, and mean enough to do this by herself. I have no doubt about that. But I don't think she did. Adam would have to be catatonic not to know, see, and smell what happened. He lived, slept, bathed (maybe), went to the toilet, played on the computer, and ate in the same place all this took place. He lied about when he last saw Zahra, and had to know that was Elisa's writing on the ransom note.  Naw! Elisa had help, and I think it is obvious who did helped. Did others know about it? You betcha'. MOO

Oh, I agree with every word you typed, Fanny!

Yes indeedy.

 ::rhino::


Spot on!   


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on January 20, 2011, 06:32:17 PM
Kat - have you kept up with the craziness on the FB sites for Zahra?
Not, just too much bs.
But the briefcase intrigues me. I want fingerprints of AB and EB on it. I reaaly think this could be a biggie. I did see part of AY on Y-Tube last nite His demeanor is not what I expected at all. Seems ( maybe I was drunk, lol  ? ) harmless and maybe he is just misguided. 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 20, 2011, 07:54:48 PM
Kat - have you kept up with the craziness on the FB sites for Zahra?
Not, just too much bs.
But the briefcase intrigues me. I want fingerprints of AB and EB on it. I reaaly think this could be a biggie. I did see part of AY on Y-Tube last nite His demeanor is not what I expected at all. Seems ( maybe I was drunk, lol  ? ) harmless and maybe he is just misguided. 

Readers digest version.

There was a poster on HM that presented themselves as a male and had the nick of Dick Tracy a supporter of Adam.  Got banned for attacking Emily.  Pops up on FB.  Someone there sleuthed them and found out that it was actually a woman, (not with 9 " twins TG!) but she is a lawyer (not on this case) who has been on boards floating theories for a book she is writing about the case calling it research.  She even supposedly asked one of the posters in Australia to go get Emily's custody papers and send them to her in the US.  Now she has outted herself, admitted the whole male alter ego and is righteous about anyone who chides her for what she did as her rights were harmed when she was outted as she started getting calls all hours of the night and if people get mad they should be mad at the person who outted her in the first place.  She stated something to the effect of  if you liked her posts as a male what difference is it if she is really a female. 

Why do these cases bring out these kinds  ::MonkeyNoNo::   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I am hoping all her nonsense does not delay the arrest of anyone as she has popped up as a speaking head on one of the newscasts about the Zahra case.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 20, 2011, 08:03:06 PM
Kat - have you kept up with the craziness on the FB sites for Zahra?
Not, just too much bs.
But the briefcase intrigues me. I want fingerprints of AB and EB on it. I reaaly think this could be a biggie. I did see part of AY on Y-Tube last nite His demeanor is not what I expected at all. Seems ( maybe I was drunk, lol  ? ) harmless and maybe he is just misguided. 

Readers digest version.

There was a poster on HM that presented themselves as a male and had the nick of Dick Tracy a supporter of Adam.  Got banned for attacking Emily.  Pops up on FB.  Someone there sleuthed them and found out that it was actually a woman, (not with 9 " twins TG!) but she is a lawyer (not on this case) who has been on boards floating theories for a book she is writing about the case calling it research.  She even supposedly asked one of the posters in Australia to go get Emily's custody papers and send them to her in the US.  Now she has outted herself, admitted the whole male alter ego and is righteous about anyone who chides her for what she did as her rights were harmed when she was outted as she started getting calls all hours of the night and if people get mad they should be mad at the person who outted her in the first place.  She stated something to the effect of  if you liked her posts as a male what difference is it if she is really a female. 

Why do these cases bring out these kinds  ::MonkeyNoNo::   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I am hoping all her nonsense does not delay the arrest of anyone as she has popped up as a speaking head on one of the newscasts about the Zahra case.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Do you know which newscasts she was on?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 20, 2011, 08:08:43 PM
Kat - have you kept up with the craziness on the FB sites for Zahra?
Not, just too much bs.
But the briefcase intrigues me. I want fingerprints of AB and EB on it. I reaaly think this could be a biggie. I did see part of AY on Y-Tube last nite His demeanor is not what I expected at all. Seems ( maybe I was drunk, lol  ? ) harmless and maybe he is just misguided. 

Readers digest version.

There was a poster on HM that presented themselves as a male and had the nick of Dick Tracy a supporter of Adam.  Got banned for attacking Emily.  Pops up on FB.  Someone there sleuthed them and found out that it was actually a woman, (not with 9 " twins TG!) but she is a lawyer (not on this case) who has been on boards floating theories for a book she is writing about the case calling it research.  She even supposedly asked one of the posters in Australia to go get Emily's custody papers and send them to her in the US.  Now she has outted herself, admitted the whole male alter ego and is righteous about anyone who chides her for what she did as her rights were harmed when she was outted as she started getting calls all hours of the night and if people get mad they should be mad at the person who outted her in the first place.  She stated something to the effect of  if you liked her posts as a male what difference is it if she is really a female. 

Why do these cases bring out these kinds  ::MonkeyNoNo::   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I am hoping all her nonsense does not delay the arrest of anyone as she has popped up as a speaking head on one of the newscasts about the Zahra case.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Do you know which newscasts she was on?

he/she is on this one starting at 00:42

http://charlotte.news14.com/content/top_stories/635510/stepmother-of-zahra-baker-faces-bigamy-charge


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 20, 2011, 08:16:13 PM
Kat - have you kept up with the craziness on the FB sites for Zahra?
Not, just too much bs.
But the briefcase intrigues me. I want fingerprints of AB and EB on it. I reaaly think this could be a biggie. I did see part of AY on Y-Tube last nite His demeanor is not what I expected at all. Seems ( maybe I was drunk, lol  ? ) harmless and maybe he is just misguided. 

Readers digest version.

There was a poster on HM that presented themselves as a male and had the nick of Dick Tracy a supporter of Adam.  Got banned for attacking Emily.  Pops up on FB.  Someone there sleuthed them and found out that it was actually a woman, (not with 9 " twins TG!) but she is a lawyer (not on this case) who has been on boards floating theories for a book she is writing about the case calling it research.  She even supposedly asked one of the posters in Australia to go get Emily's custody papers and send them to her in the US.  Now she has outted herself, admitted the whole male alter ego and is righteous about anyone who chides her for what she did as her rights were harmed when she was outted as she started getting calls all hours of the night and if people get mad they should be mad at the person who outted her in the first place.  She stated something to the effect of  if you liked her posts as a male what difference is it if she is really a female. 

Why do these cases bring out these kinds  ::MonkeyNoNo::   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I am hoping all her nonsense does not delay the arrest of anyone as she has popped up as a speaking head on one of the newscasts about the Zahra case.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Do you know which newscasts she was on?

he/she is on this one starting at 00:42 00:30

http://charlotte.news14.com/content/top_stories/635510/stepmother-of-zahra-baker-faces-bigamy-charge

Self correct: starts at 00:30 on this video


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 20, 2011, 08:57:21 PM
Kat - have you kept up with the craziness on the FB sites for Zahra?
Not, just too much bs.
But the briefcase intrigues me. I want fingerprints of AB and EB on it. I reaaly think this could be a biggie. I did see part of AY on Y-Tube last nite His demeanor is not what I expected at all. Seems ( maybe I was drunk, lol  ? ) harmless and maybe he is just misguided. 

Readers digest version.

There was a poster on HM that presented themselves as a male and had the nick of Dick Tracy a supporter of Adam.  Got banned for attacking Emily.  Pops up on FB.  Someone there sleuthed them and found out that it was actually a woman, (not with 9 " twins TG!) but she is a lawyer (not on this case) who has been on boards floating theories for a book she is writing about the case calling it research.  She even supposedly asked one of the posters in Australia to go get Emily's custody papers and send them to her in the US.  Now she has outted herself, admitted the whole male alter ego and is righteous about anyone who chides her for what she did as her rights were harmed when she was outted as she started getting calls all hours of the night and if people get mad they should be mad at the person who outted her in the first place.  She stated something to the effect of  if you liked her posts as a male what difference is it if she is really a female. 

Why do these cases bring out these kinds  ::MonkeyNoNo::   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I am hoping all her nonsense does not delay the arrest of anyone as she has popped up as a speaking head on one of the newscasts about the Zahra case.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Do you know which newscasts she was on?

he/she is on this one starting at 00:42 00:30

http://charlotte.news14.com/content/top_stories/635510/stepmother-of-zahra-baker-faces-bigamy-charge

Self correct: starts at 00:30 on this video

I saw that. They didn't even explain why she was on there. It just said she was an author. Where do these creatures come from?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on January 20, 2011, 09:32:21 PM
I remember Dick Tracey, the one on the Hink. Knew there had been a banning, but didn't know for what. The Hink didn't like EB being attacked.
........
BTW Fanny, your AB /AY husbands-in law cracked me up and we has a laff about it .


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 20, 2011, 09:44:06 PM
I remember Dick Tracey, the one on the Hink. Knew there had been a banning, but didn't know for what. The Hink didn't like EB being attacked.
........
BTW Fanny, your AB /AY husbands-in law cracked me up and we has a laff about it .

Stuff just pops out of my mouth sometimes. I guess that is no surprise to anybody. ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: starwynn on January 20, 2011, 10:58:29 PM
I remember Dick Tracey, the one on the Hink. Knew there had been a banning, but didn't know for what. The Hink didn't like EB being attacked.
........
BTW Fanny, your AB /AY husbands-in law cracked me up and we has a laff about it .

Stuff just pops out of my mouth sometimes. I guess that is no surprise to anybody. ::MonkeyRoll::

Always a *good* surprise!  :)


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on January 20, 2011, 11:46:06 PM
My oops ... I meant to say that AY married EB...   It's odd how now AY seems to be implying that EB is perfectly capable of doing everything on her own, and not to believe the weak-woman persona she put on.  I wonder if he's doing it because he didn't have a part of it and a) just hates her, b) really believes it, c) knows more about what she's into than he's letting on... or if he DID have part in it and is trying to deflect the attention from his role.  I wonder if she has seen the interview, and what her reaction to it would be.

I also noted that he admits he saw the emotional abuse... accidentally admits, that is.  Then he has to do some fancy dance steps to say that of *course* he never saw any of the physical.  Even though he saw bruises, and knew she was emotionally abusing the child.

I don't know if any of y'all ever had abusive situations, but from my experience I got over the physical stuff rather easily; it's the mental stuff, particularly when you're not grown yet (and even if you are) that really messes you up .... to a certain point.  Obviously they're both totally unacceptable, but that's the point - they're BOTH unacceptable and a lot of people let the mental go on, didn't they?

Actually, I think Elisa looks big enough, bad enough, and mean enough to do this by herself. I have no doubt about that. But I don't think she did. Adam would have to be catatonic not to know, see, and smell what happened. He lived, slept, bathed (maybe), went to the toilet, played on the computer, and ate in the same place all this took place. He lied about when he last saw Zahra, and had to know that was Elisa's writing on the ransom note.  Naw! Elisa had help, and I think it is obvious who did helped. Did others know about it? You betcha'. MOO

Oh, I agree with every word you typed, Fanny!

Yes indeedy.

 ::rhino::

Ditto


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 21, 2011, 05:56:59 AM
:roll: Bigamy .... :roll: That should be the least of anyone's worries!! Where are the murder charges????


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Nana29 on January 21, 2011, 10:05:22 AM
:roll: Bigamy .... :roll: That should be the least of anyone's worries!! Where are the murder charges????


Chat House Cares WCNC reporting - Elisa bigamy charge cont to March 7. Adam's bad check charges cont til April 29.

http://www.facebook.com/?sk=h#!/pages/Chat-House-Cares/421452420149


NEWTON, NC (WBTV) – The father and step-mother of Zahra Baker were both scheduled to face a judge Friday morning but their cases were continued to a future date.

http://hickory.wbtv.com/content/blanket-found-week-possibly-related-zahra-case


All I have to say is...That's crap!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 21, 2011, 10:21:59 AM
:roll: Bigamy .... :roll: That should be the least of anyone's worries!! Where are the murder charges????


Chat House Cares WCNC reporting - Elisa bigamy charge cont to March 7. Adam's bad check charges cont til April 29.

http://www.facebook.com/?sk=h#!/pages/Chat-House-Cares/421452420149


NEWTON, NC (WBTV) – The father and step-mother of Zahra Baker were both scheduled to face a judge Friday morning but their cases were continued to a future date.

http://hickory.wbtv.com/content/blanket-found-week-possibly-related-zahra-case


All I have to say is...That's crap!

Adam will be out on the town till after Easter. It blisters my chaps to think this is happening. We want dangerous people to be in jail, not traipsing around Hickory or anywhere else. By the time he goes to court, he could find another wife and be married again. A man like him needs a woman to boss him around. If Mama Baker leaves him alone, he will have to have someone. If I find out he is smoozing at happy hour at a bar somewhere, I will probably have a meltdown.  :2ukli:


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 21, 2011, 11:46:06 AM
NC girl's stepmother to be arraigned on new charge

NEWTON, N.C. (AP) - The stepmother of a disabled girl who died under mysterious circumstances is set to be arraigned in a North Carolina jail on charges of being married to more than one man.
      The Catawba County district attorney's office says 42-year-old Elisa Baker will be arraigned Friday in the jail where she's being held on charges of obstructing justice in the investigation of her stepdaughter's death.
      Prosecutors say she married the father of 10-year-old Zahra Baker while still married to another man. Zahra was reported missing in October, and police later found her remains. No one has been charged in her death.
      Adam Baker is free on bond while facing unrelated charges. He had a scheduled court appearance in Newton on Friday, but it was postponed until April.

http://www2.wnct.com/news/2011/jan/21/3/bigamy-court-date-planned-nc-girls-stepmother-ar-713257/


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 21, 2011, 11:47:35 AM
Elisa Baker facing yet another charge while sitting in jail

NEWTON, NC (WBTV) - The stepmother of a dead Hickory girl is now facing even more charges as she sits in the Catawba County Jail.

Elisa Baker, who lead authorities to the dismembered body of 10-year-old Zahra Baker, was hit with another worthless check charge this week.

Related: Follow the entire Zahra Baker case

Elisa Baker, 42, is in the Catawba County Jail on several worthless check charges and on a charge for obstruction of justice, for allegedly writing a fake ransom note when Zahra went missing in early October, police have said.

The latest worthless check charge – from Catawba County – is now added to the other 6 "simple worthless check" charges against Baker.

This was an active week in the Zahra Baker case: Eliza Baker was already indicted this week for bigamy after police said she was not divorced from a man before being married to Zahra's father, Adam Baker is the summer of 2008. (Read the story about the bigamy indictment)

Also, a briefcase was found in woods near where parts of Zahra's body was found, which contains a blanket that might have blood on it. (Read the story about the briefcase)

This week's worthless check charge has a $500 bond, which now brings the total bond for Elisa Baker in the Catawba County Jail to $96,700.

No one has been charged in the death of Zahra, but Elisa Baker did tell authorities that her blood, bones and bodily fluid could be found in the pipes of the Hickory house, according to warrants.

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13884076


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 21, 2011, 11:48:28 AM
NC girl's stepmother to be arraigned on new charge


NEWTON, N.C. -- The stepmother of a disabled girl who died under mysterious circumstances is set to be arraigned in a North Carolina jail on charges of being married to more than one man.

The Catawba County district attorney's office says 42-year-old Elisa Baker will be arraigned Friday in the jail where she's being held on charges of obstructing justice in the investigation of her stepdaughter's death.

Prosecutors say she married the father of 10-year-old Zahra Baker while still married to another man. Zahra was reported missing in October, and police later found her remains. No one has been charged in her death.


Adam Baker is free on bond while facing unrelated charges. He had a scheduled court appearance in Newton on Friday, but it was postponed until April.

http://www.newsobserver.com/2011/01/21/934762/bigamy-court-date-planned-for.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 21, 2011, 11:49:07 AM
Work begins on Zahra memorial  (with video)

CALDWELL COUNTY,NC  (WBTV) – Ground was broken Thursday for a permanent memorial to Zahra Baker, the ten year old girl who was reported missing from Hickory in October, then found dismembered in Caldwell County.

A makeshift memorial has been at the spot on Christie Road in Caldwell County ever since the victim's prosthetic leg and a bone were found nearby.

"This concrete memorial will be something for people to visit for a long time, " said landowner Jake Icenhour.

"It will be here as long as I'm alive, I can assure you of that."

Icenhour and several others were building forms for the concrete that will be poured at the site in the next week or two.

Christie Road was the site of several searches last fall as Hickory Police looked for evidence in the case.

A logging crew at the site found a briefcase Tuesday morning with what may be a bloodstained blanket inside.

Icenhour opened the briefcase and then called authorities. "It appeared to be a moldy, blood stained blanket or cloth or some type of clothing," he said.

Bob Hudson heads up the logging company at the site and said his people are on the lookout for anything else.

"If we see something we will call authorities," he said.

The briefcase will be sent to the State Bureau of Investigations lab in Raleigh for analysis.

Police are not sure if the briefcase or its contents are connected to the Zahra Baker case but say they will follow up all possible leads that they get.

No one has been charged in Zahra Baker's death.

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13880695


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 21, 2011, 11:50:38 AM
Bigamy court date for Elisa Baker continued

NEWTON, N.C. (AP) -- An arraignment hearing for Elisa Baker on bigamy charges has been continued until March.

Baker, the stepmother of Zahra Baker, who died under mysterious circumstances, was scheduled to be arraigned Friday on charges of being married to more than one man at the same time.

A district court judge in Newton continued the case until March 7.

The 42-year-old Baker is currently jailed on charges of obstructing the investigation into her stepdaughter's disappearance last fall.

Zahra Baker was reported missing in October. Police later found some of her remains, including the prosthetic leg she used after an amputation resulting from bone cancer.

Also on Friday, Zahra's father, Adam Baker, was scheduled for an appearance in a separate Newton courtroom on charges of writing bad checks. That hearing was continued to April 29.

No one has been charged in Zahra's death.

http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Bigamy-court-date-planned-for-Elisa-Baker-114357619.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 21, 2011, 12:18:35 PM
Man says he feared Zahra was abused

HICKORY, N.C. – The ex-husband of Zahra Baker’s stepmother says he suspected the 10-year-old was being abused and reported it to Social Services last February.

Aaron Young was married to Elisa Baker before she married Adam Baker, Zahra’s father.

"I didn't see physical abuse firsthand,” Young said. “I seen some bruises on her and she would basically say the same thing Elisa said. She'd fall, she tripped and fell into the sink one time. I guess people just believed it because Zahra was telling the same thing that Elisa was and Zahra loved Elisa like her own mother.”

Young says he was married to Elisa Baker for ten years. Prosecutors say she was still married to Young when she married Adam Baker. Elisa Baker was indicted on bigamy charges earlier this week.

Zahra Baker was reported missing on Oct, 9, 2010. Her remains and a prosthetic leg she used after battling cancer were found scattered among several locations in Caldwell County.

Elisa Baker is currently in jail, charged with writing a fake ransom note when Zahra was first reported missing.

According to search warrants, Elisa Baker told police that Zahra died on Sept. 24 and that Adam Baker dismembered her body and hid parts of it throughout Caldwell County.

A search of phone records indicates Elisa Baker's cell phone was used in the areas where body parts were found but the phone records for Adam Baker indicate he was not present.

No one has been charged in connection with Zahra Baker’s death.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/01/20/1995556/man-says-he-feared-zahra-was-abused.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 21, 2011, 01:35:25 PM
Bigamy court date for Elisa Baker continued

NEWTON, N.C. (AP) -- An arraignment hearing for Elisa Baker on bigamy charges has been continued until March.

Baker, the stepmother of Zahra Baker, who died under mysterious circumstances, was scheduled to be arraigned Friday on charges of being married to more than one man at the same time.

A district court judge in Newton continued the case until March 7.

The 42-year-old Baker is currently jailed on charges of obstructing the investigation into her stepdaughter's disappearance last fall.

Zahra Baker was reported missing in October. Police later found some of her remains, including the prosthetic leg she used after an amputation resulting from bone cancer.

Also on Friday, Zahra's father, Adam Baker, was scheduled for an appearance in a separate Newton courtroom on charges of writing bad checks. That hearing was continued to April 29.

No one has been charged in Zahra's death.

http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Bigamy-court-date-planned-for-Elisa-Baker-114357619.html

Why do these hearing always get continued and postponed? Not that it matters, Elisa is still in jail. But Adam's has been postponed too! And he can just slither around free! (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/slithering_snake.gif)


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 21, 2011, 02:50:54 PM
Elisa Baker arraigned on bigamy charges

HICKORY --
Elisa Baker was arraigned Friday on one count of felony bigamy charges. Court officials served the indictment to her in jail late Friday morning.

Baker, 42, is accused of still being married to her previous husband, Aaron Young, when she married Adam Baker in December 2008. She was indicted on one count of bigamy on Tuesday.

According to court documents, Young got a divorce from Elisa on Aug. 21, 2009 — several months after her wedding in Australia to Adam. In the divorce filing, Young used Elisa’s new last name of Baker in the filing. Young initially filed for divorce from Elisa on June 28, 2009. They filed for divorce because they had not lived together as man and wife since May 29, 2008, according to documents.

Elisa was given an additional $10,000 secured bond for the bigamy charge Friday, bringing her total bond amount to $107,700.

Elisa Baker is the stepmother of Zahra Baker, the 10-year-old Australian child who was first reported missing in October. Police determined she’d been killed and dismembered. Investigators have found a lot of evidence in the case, but no one has been charged yet in Zahra’s death. Elisa has been indicted on one count of obstruction of justice for writing a false ransom note to throw police off the case.

Young’s name has come up in the search warrants. Police wanted information from his cell phone pertaining to calls, texts and GPS locations from Sept. 1 through Oct. 11, hoping it would help with their investigation. They also got information from his IMVU social networking account, because a source told them that he, and either Elisa or Adam blogged with someone else in this virtual world about “doing a murder with chainsaws.”

On Friday, Zahra’s father, Adam Baker, was scheduled to appear in court on four counts of worthless check charges. The checks were used at area grocery stores and were written for a combined total of $244.10.

Neither Baker, nor his attorney Mark Killian, appeared at the courthouse. Killian had requested a continuance.

Baker’s new court date is April 29. Elisa’s next court date is March 7.

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/jan/21/elisa-baker-arraigned-bigamy-charges-ar-714077/


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 21, 2011, 02:56:50 PM
Web of marriages could impact testimony in Baker case  (with video)

CHARLOTTE – Elisa Baker is expected to be arraigned on bigamy charges Friday in Catawba County. Court documents show she married Adam Baker, the father of Zahra Baker, before being legally divorced from Aaron Young but the legitimacy of that marriage is also in question.

News 14 Carolina learned that four of Elisa Baker's seven marriages overlapped and only those the took place while she was legally divorced are legitimate marriages. Young says he and Elisa Baker were married when she married Adam Baker but said he recently learned she was married to someone else when she married him in 1998.

If her marriage to Young is deemed null and void, it is possible her marriage to Baker would then be legal, and spousal privilege says Adam Baker would not have to testify against her in court.

“The witness spouse is competent to testify against their defendant spouse if they choose but they can't be compelled to do so if they don't want to, which is consistent with idea of the idea of preserving the harmony of the marriage,” said professor Sheryl Buske, of the Charlotte School of Law.

If their marriage is not legal, Adam and Elisa Baker could be forced to testify against one another.

Buske says there are exceptions to spousal privilege, for instance, when a child is injured.

http://charlotte.news14.com/content/top_stories/635645/web-of-marriages-could-impact-testimony-in-baker-case


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 21, 2011, 03:01:01 PM
Web of marriages could impact testimony in Baker case  (with video)

CHARLOTTE – Elisa Baker is expected to be arraigned on bigamy charges Friday in Catawba County. Court documents show she married Adam Baker, the father of Zahra Baker, before being legally divorced from Aaron Young but the legitimacy of that marriage is also in question.

News 14 Carolina learned that four of Elisa Baker's seven marriages overlapped and only those the took place while she was legally divorced are legitimate marriages. Young says he and Elisa Baker were married when she married Adam Baker but said he recently learned she was married to someone else when she married him in 1998.

If her marriage to Young is deemed null and void, it is possible her marriage to Baker would then be legal, and spousal privilege says Adam Baker would not have to testify against her in court.

“The witness spouse is competent to testify against their defendant spouse if they choose but they can't be compelled to do so if they don't want to, which is consistent with idea of the idea of preserving the harmony of the marriage,” said professor Sheryl Buske, of the Charlotte School of Law.

If their marriage is not legal, Adam and Elisa Baker could be forced to testify against one another.

Buske says there are exceptions to spousal privilege, for instance, when a child is injured.

http://charlotte.news14.com/content/top_stories/635645/web-of-marriages-could-impact-testimony-in-baker-case

Would that be For instance,when a child is murdered and dismembered?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 21, 2011, 03:10:07 PM
Elisa Baker hit with 2 more charges; bond now above $100k

NEWTON, NC (WBTV) - The stepmother of a dead Hickory girl is now facing even more charges as she sits in the Catawba County Jail.

Elisa Baker, who lead authorities to the dismembered body of 10-year-old Zahra Baker, was hit with another worthless check charge this week. Also, on Friday, she was served with a bigamy indictment while she was in her jail cell Friday morning.

Elisa Baker, 42, is in the Catawba County Jail on several worthless check charges and on a charge for obstruction of justice, for allegedly writing a fake ransom note when Zahra went missing in early October, police have said.

She was scheduled to appear in court on Friday, but instead had the bigamy charge served to her while she was in jail and $10,000 more added to her bond.

The latest worthless check charge – from Catawba County – is now also added to the other 6 "simple worthless check" charges against Baker.

This was an active week in the Zahra Baker case: Eliza Baker was already indicted this week for bigamy after police said she was not divorced from a man before being married to Zahra's father, Adam Baker is the summer of 2008. (Read the story about the bigamy indictment)

Also, a briefcase was found in woods near where parts of Zahra's body was found, which contains a blanket that might have blood on it. (Read the story about the briefcase)

This week's worthless check charge has a $500 bond, which now brings the total bond for Elisa Baker in the Catawba County Jail to $107,700.


MORE...

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13884076


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 21, 2011, 03:10:45 PM
Web of marriages could impact testimony in Baker case  (with video)

CHARLOTTE – Elisa Baker is expected to be arraigned on bigamy charges Friday in Catawba County. Court documents show she married Adam Baker, the father of Zahra Baker, before being legally divorced from Aaron Young but the legitimacy of that marriage is also in question.

News 14 Carolina learned that four of Elisa Baker's seven marriages overlapped and only those the took place while she was legally divorced are legitimate marriages. Young says he and Elisa Baker were married when she married Adam Baker but said he recently learned she was married to someone else when she married him in 1998.

If her marriage to Young is deemed null and void, it is possible her marriage to Baker would then be legal, and spousal privilege says Adam Baker would not have to testify against her in court.

“The witness spouse is competent to testify against their defendant spouse if they choose but they can't be compelled to do so if they don't want to, which is consistent with idea of the idea of preserving the harmony of the marriage,” said professor Sheryl Buske, of the Charlotte School of Law.

If their marriage is not legal, Adam and Elisa Baker could be forced to testify against one another.

Buske says there are exceptions to spousal privilege, for instance, when a child is injured.

http://charlotte.news14.com/content/top_stories/635645/web-of-marriages-could-impact-testimony-in-baker-case

Would that be For instance,when a child is murdered and dismembered?

We can only hope.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 21, 2011, 03:14:03 PM
Blanket found this week possibly related to Zahra case

http://hickory.wbtv.com/content/blanket-found-week-possibly-related-zahra-case


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Brandi on January 21, 2011, 04:49:25 PM
Web of marriages could impact testimony in Baker case  (with video)

CHARLOTTE – Elisa Baker is expected to be arraigned on bigamy charges Friday in Catawba County. Court documents show she married Adam Baker, the father of Zahra Baker, before being legally divorced from Aaron Young but the legitimacy of that marriage is also in question.

News 14 Carolina learned that four of Elisa Baker's seven marriages overlapped and only those the took place while she was legally divorced are legitimate marriages. Young says he and Elisa Baker were married when she married Adam Baker but said he recently learned she was married to someone else when she married him in 1998.

If her marriage to Young is deemed null and void, it is possible her marriage to Baker would then be legal, and spousal privilege says Adam Baker would not have to testify against her in court.

“The witness spouse is competent to testify against their defendant spouse if they choose but they can't be compelled to do so if they don't want to, which is consistent with idea of the idea of preserving the harmony of the marriage,” said professor Sheryl Buske, of the Charlotte School of Law.

If their marriage is not legal, Adam and Elisa Baker could be forced to testify against one another.

Buske says there are exceptions to spousal privilege, for instance, when a child is injured.

http://charlotte.news14.com/content/top_stories/635645/web-of-marriages-could-impact-testimony-in-baker-case

Would that be For instance,when a child is murdered and dismembered?

Yeah, it would not have mattered whether Elisa and Adam were legally married anyway. Since a child is involved.

That's how I understand it.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on January 21, 2011, 05:09:53 PM
News 14 Carolina learned that four of Elisa Baker's seven marriages overlapped and only those the took place while she was legally divorced are legitimate marriages.
...
More husbands-in-laws. lol


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Brandi on January 21, 2011, 05:32:39 PM
News 14 Carolina learned that four of Elisa Baker's seven marriages overlapped and only those the took place while she was legally divorced are legitimate marriages.
...
More husbands-in-laws. lol

...serial bigamist.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 21, 2011, 05:52:58 PM
News 14 Carolina learned that four of Elisa Baker's seven marriages overlapped and only those the took place while she was legally divorced are legitimate marriages.
...
More husbands-in-laws. lol

They should have a husband-in-law reunion and compare notes.  I'll bet there isn't a whole brain if you put all seven of them together. ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Brandi on January 21, 2011, 05:56:31 PM
News 14 Carolina learned that four of Elisa Baker's seven marriages overlapped and only those the took place while she was legally divorced are legitimate marriages.
...
More husbands-in-laws. lol

...serial bigamist.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

News 14 Carolina learned that four of Elisa Baker's seven marriages overlapped and only those the took place while she was legally divorced are legitimate marriages. Young says he and Elisa Baker were married when she married Adam Baker but said he recently learned she was married to someone else when she married him in 1998.
http://charlotte.news14.com/content/top_stories/635645/web-of-marriages-could-impact-testimony-in-baker-case

So who was she married to in 1998? And it sounds like she was not married to AYoung legally if she was still married to someone else in 1998 when they "married."

What a tangled web.

Just like all of her lies.

 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 21, 2011, 06:20:54 PM
News 14 Carolina learned that four of Elisa Baker's seven marriages overlapped and only those the took place while she was legally divorced are legitimate marriages.
...
More husbands-in-laws. lol

...serial bigamist.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

News 14 Carolina learned that four of Elisa Baker's seven marriages overlapped and only those the took place while she was legally divorced are legitimate marriages. Young says he and Elisa Baker were married when she married Adam Baker but said he recently learned she was married to someone else when she married him in 1998.
http://charlotte.news14.com/content/top_stories/635645/web-of-marriages-could-impact-testimony-in-baker-case

So who was she married to in 1998? And it sounds like she was not married to AYoung legally if she was still married to someone else in 1998 when they "married."

What a tangled web.

Just like all of her lies.

 ::MonkeyEek::


In one of the previous threads I did a marriage and divorce by date post with all the marriages we could find.  I don't have time to search for it but there were several instances where she had multiple husbands dooped. 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on January 21, 2011, 06:30:38 PM
News 14 Carolina learned that four of Elisa Baker's seven marriages overlapped and only those the took place while she was legally divorced are legitimate marriages.
...
More husbands-in-laws. lol

...serial bigamist.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

News 14 Carolina learned that four of Elisa Baker's seven marriages overlapped and only those the took place while she was legally divorced are legitimate marriages. Young says he and Elisa Baker were married when she married Adam Baker but said he recently learned she was married to someone else when she married him in 1998.
http://charlotte.news14.com/content/top_stories/635645/web-of-marriages-could-impact-testimony-in-baker-case

So who was she married to in 1998? And it sounds like she was not married to AYoung legally if she was still married to someone else in 1998 when they "married."

What a tangled web.

Just like all of her lies.

 ::MonkeyEek::

This is all so unbelieveable !
A bigamist ??
What's next ?
Will we learn that she is a "closet" serial murderer ?

I cannot even think of an appropriate punishment for her.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on January 22, 2011, 09:50:44 AM
News 14 Carolina learned that four of Elisa Baker's seven marriages overlapped and only those the took place while she was legally divorced are legitimate marriages.
...
More husbands-in-laws. lol

My gosh!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: starwynn on January 22, 2011, 01:19:07 PM
I think I'm just more shocked that seven people would actually MARRY that horrible creature!!!!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: starwynn on January 22, 2011, 02:22:00 PM
Little Zahra, with your big heart, I am still waiting for the justice that should be yours.  You are not forgotten!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Brandi on January 22, 2011, 02:34:52 PM
Little Zahra, with your big heart, I am still waiting for the justice that should be yours.  You are not forgotten!

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/ZahraClareBaker/zahra-star8a.gif)



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: starwynn on January 22, 2011, 02:50:18 PM
Thank you for that lovely picture, Brandi.  You know, that picture of Zahra was my favorite at the start.  I don't know if you see in the full picture, but she has a cute little thing going on around her prosthetic leg - sort of decorative going with her outfit.  The otufit is kind of a little gothy, in a cute kid way, and I thought "wow - I'd give anything to have a kid like that, except I'd probably hug the stuffing out of her too hard!"  I mean seriously - look at that face beaming and try to keep your arms from forming a big ol' come-here-and-give-us-a-hug motion!  It's just not possible.

I can't believe anyone could ever .....  I can't even finish what I'm typing.  :(


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Brandi on January 22, 2011, 03:13:43 PM
Thank you for that lovely picture, Brandi.  You know, that picture of Zahra was my favorite at the start.  I don't know if you see in the full picture, but she has a cute little thing going on around her prosthetic leg - sort of decorative going with her outfit.  The otufit is kind of a little gothy, in a cute kid way, and I thought "wow - I'd give anything to have a kid like that, except I'd probably hug the stuffing out of her too hard!"  I mean seriously - look at that face beaming and try to keep your arms from forming a big ol' come-here-and-give-us-a-hug motion!  It's just not possible.

I can't believe anyone could ever .....  I can't even finish what I'm typing.  :(

Here is the original to which I believe you are referring:

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/ZahraClareBaker/ZehraMyspaceDarkChild-1.png)

I agree, she was a ray of sunshine in her short life.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: starwynn on January 22, 2011, 04:49:10 PM
Thank you for that lovely picture, Brandi.  You know, that picture of Zahra was my favorite at the start.  I don't know if you see in the full picture, but she has a cute little thing going on around her prosthetic leg - sort of decorative going with her outfit.  The otufit is kind of a little gothy, in a cute kid way, and I thought "wow - I'd give anything to have a kid like that, except I'd probably hug the stuffing out of her too hard!"  I mean seriously - look at that face beaming and try to keep your arms from forming a big ol' come-here-and-give-us-a-hug motion!  It's just not possible.

I can't believe anyone could ever .....  I can't even finish what I'm typing.  :(

Here is the original to which I believe you are referring:

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/ZahraClareBaker/ZehraMyspaceDarkChild-1.png)

I agree, she was a ray of sunshine in her short life.

Yes ma'am, that's the one.  :)  She's just cute as a bug.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: cecilita on January 22, 2011, 11:00:49 PM
What about the man sent Elisa $10,000? Did all ex husbands are from other countries? maybe she was getting married with people from outside for $ and greencards....who knows....that woman is disgusting anyway....


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 23, 2011, 12:27:56 AM
What about the man sent Elisa $10,000? Did all ex husbands are from other countries? maybe she was getting married with people from outside for $ and greencards....who knows....that woman is disgusting anyway....

Very good thought CECILITA! Seven husbands could just be the tip of the iceberg.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Brandi on January 23, 2011, 03:05:26 AM
Baker's first marriage was in 1985 to Jerry Alan Winkler in Caldwell County.  In 1997, she was married to Jeffrey Russell Allred in Caldwell County.

Her third marriage was to Adam Baker, whom she met online.  They were married about two years ago.
http://morganton.wbtv.com/content/who-elisa-baker

Then she "married" Adam.

So far, from this info, she was probably married to Allred when she "married" Young.

I read her marriage to Winkler was annulled.

So I only see one possibly valid marriage. To Allred. Wonder if she ever got divorced from him.

What a mess. Guess all this will come out in the bigamy trial.

Just shows what an irresponsible, conniving individual she is.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: melisb on January 23, 2011, 09:12:41 AM
I don't like to use the word hate but I absolutely HATE this woman.  Have we heard anything about her Mother?  Would love to know more about this piece of trash from birth to first marriage.  Was she always this evil, etc.?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: starwynn on January 23, 2011, 03:14:44 PM
What about the man sent Elisa $10,000? Did all ex husbands are from other countries? maybe she was getting married with people from outside for $ and greencards....who knows....that woman is disgusting anyway....

It's very very difficult to get a green card based on marriage.  Unfortunately, I might have been a victim of that.  I was married to an Englishman and we were trying to get his green card.  They really do a lot of investigation, even requiring that you could prove that you've consummated the marriage if they require you to.  (I nearly died when I read THAT question on the forms!!)  It is even more difficult if the person entering the country overstayed their visa waiver, as my ex-husband did.  (We didn't do our research - thought that if we can go there 6 months, they can come here 6 months - but a visitor/business waiver is only 3 months).  It was nearly impossible to get him back into the country much less his green-card for permanent residency.  Adam will be facing all of the same (before this incident) minus being out of the country and unable to get back in. 

But you know, I've not forgotten the $10k bit - a man from England, or London if I recall the rumors correctly.  I wonder if they ever found anything out about that through Elisa's bank records.  I had a very sick feeling about that - missing little girl, lots of internet access, a guy paying her money for something.... and that was before Zahra was found, much less after with the sexual assault allegations and whatnot.

I'm sorry, but I feel that Elisa's character is SO depraved that I could imagine her selling - anything of Zahra for drug money.  Pictures, or worse.  I doubt that someone overseas would send money just for a crush, not that much money, not even for sexy-talk.  You'd want something, and pictures of Elisa I'm SURE wouldn't be worth that much.  I hate where I'm going with this..... I feel sick now.  :(


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: starwynn on January 23, 2011, 03:18:06 PM
What about the man sent Elisa $10,000? Did all ex husbands are from other countries? maybe she was getting married with people from outside for $ and greencards....who knows....that woman is disgusting anyway....

It's very very difficult to get a green card based on marriage.  Unfortunately, I might have been a victim of that.  I was married to an Englishman and we were trying to get his green card.  They really do a lot of investigation, even requiring that you could prove that you've consummated the marriage if they require you to.  (I nearly died when I read THAT question on the forms!!)  It is even more difficult if the person entering the country overstayed their visa waiver, as my ex-husband did.  (We didn't do our research - thought that if we can go there 6 months, they can come here 6 months - but a visitor/business waiver is only 3 months).  It was nearly impossible to get him back into the country much less his green-card for permanent residency.  Adam will be facing all of the same (before this incident) minus being out of the country and unable to get back in. 

But you know, I've not forgotten the $10k bit - a man from England, or London if I recall the rumors correctly.  I wonder if they ever found anything out about that through Elisa's bank records.  I had a very sick feeling about that - missing little girl, lots of internet access, a guy paying her money for something.... and that was before Zahra was found, much less after with the sexual assault allegations and whatnot.

I'm sorry, but I feel that Elisa's character is SO depraved that I could imagine her selling - anything of Zahra for drug money.  Pictures, or worse.  I doubt that someone overseas would send money just for a crush, not that much money, not even for sexy-talk.  You'd want something, and pictures of Elisa I'm SURE wouldn't be worth that much.  I hate where I'm going with this..... I feel sick now.  :(

Erm, I read my own first paragraph and want to clarify about being a victim.... I meant that I suspect that I was a victim of someone else wanting to get their green card.  I don't know for sure, as I married and wanted my husband here for the traditional reasons - I was stupidly in love and thought we were going to live happily ever after. lol  I just realized that the "researching" and whatnot kind of read like we were both trying to pull something over on INS.  If pulling was going on, it was all him.  :P   Im such a dork - I don't know why I even feel I had to explain that. 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on January 23, 2011, 03:33:00 PM
I don't like to use the word hate but I absolutely HATE this woman.  Have we heard anything about her Mother?  Would love to know more about this piece of trash from birth to first marriage.  Was she always this evil, etc.?

I am with you on the "hate" part. There are some things in this world that my mind refuses to wrap around and digest and the only option I have is to then direct my emotions towards it. Hate is all I can do to get past this case and yes I hate that woman.
Starwynn where you are going with your thoughts about the man in England is more than I can bear.
Sadly, I hope hateful things for her and her associates.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Samarie on January 23, 2011, 03:37:36 PM
What about the man sent Elisa $10,000? Did all ex husbands are from other countries? maybe she was getting married with people from outside for $ and greencards....who knows....that woman is disgusting anyway....

It's very very difficult to get a green card based on marriage.  Unfortunately, I might have been a victim of that.  I was married to an Englishman and we were trying to get his green card.  They really do a lot of investigation, even requiring that you could prove that you've consummated the marriage if they require you to.  (I nearly died when I read THAT question on the forms!!)  It is even more difficult if the person entering the country overstayed their visa waiver, as my ex-husband did.  (We didn't do our research - thought that if we can go there 6 months, they can come here 6 months - but a visitor/business waiver is only 3 months).  It was nearly impossible to get him back into the country much less his green-card for permanent residency.  Adam will be facing all of the same (before this incident) minus being out of the country and unable to get back in. 

But you know, I've not forgotten the $10k bit - a man from England, or London if I recall the rumors correctly.  I wonder if they ever found anything out about that through Elisa's bank records.  I had a very sick feeling about that - missing little girl, lots of internet access, a guy paying her money for something.... and that was before Zahra was found, much less after with the sexual assault allegations and whatnot.

I'm sorry, but I feel that Elisa's character is SO depraved that I could imagine her selling - anything of Zahra for drug money.  Pictures, or worse.  I doubt that someone overseas would send money just for a crush, not that much money, not even for sexy-talk.  You'd want something, and pictures of Elisa I'm SURE wouldn't be worth that much.  I hate where I'm going with this..... I feel sick now.  :(

Elisa used a picture of one of her young adult daughters for her profile pic on the web to lure men in....seems like children, her own and anybody else's were just a means to end for her. I don't think Elisa has any moral consciousness, among other things. ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on January 23, 2011, 04:42:06 PM
Baker's first marriage was in 1985 to Jerry Alan Winkler in Caldwell County.  In 1997, she was married to Jeffrey Russell Allred in Caldwell County.

Her third marriage was to Adam Baker, whom she met online.  They were married about two years ago.
http://morganton.wbtv.com/content/who-elisa-baker

Then she "married" Adam.

So far, from this info, she was probably married to Allred when she "married" Young.

I read her marriage to Winkler was annulled.

So I only see one possibly valid marriage. To Allred. Wonder if she ever got divorced from him.

What a mess. Guess all this will come out in the bigamy trial.

Just shows what an irresponsible, conniving individual she is.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::
I an NO expert in mental health issues, but IMO,
I feel that among many things, Elisa is a sociopath, with a severe personality disorder.

Makes her OWN rules, ignores the laws, and has NO conscience ! ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Brandi on January 23, 2011, 06:23:12 PM
Baker's first marriage was in 1985 to Jerry Alan Winkler in Caldwell County.  In 1997, she was married to Jeffrey Russell Allred in Caldwell County.

Her third marriage was to Adam Baker, whom she met online.  They were married about two years ago.
http://morganton.wbtv.com/content/who-elisa-baker

Then she "married" Adam.

So far, from this info, she was probably married to Allred when she "married" Young.

I read her marriage to Winkler was annulled.

So I only see one possibly valid marriage. To Allred. Wonder if she ever got divorced from him.

What a mess. Guess all this will come out in the bigamy trial.

Just shows what an irresponsible, conniving individual she is.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::
I an NO expert in mental health issues, but IMO,
I feel that among many things, Elisa is a sociopath, with a severe personality disorder.

Makes her OWN rules, ignores the laws, and has NO conscience ! ::MonkeyMad::

...and up until the time Zahra was reported missing, Elisa had pretty much gotten away with all her antics, missing court appearances, using aliases, moving around, never paying any consequences as far as I can see.

She is right where she belongs. Well, until the fires in hell get stoked.

JMO.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 23, 2011, 06:29:59 PM
Baker's first marriage was in 1985 to Jerry Alan Winkler in Caldwell County.  In 1997, she was married to Jeffrey Russell Allred in Caldwell County.

Her third marriage was to Adam Baker, whom she met online.  They were married about two years ago.
http://morganton.wbtv.com/content/who-elisa-baker

Then she "married" Adam.

So far, from this info, she was probably married to Allred when she "married" Young.

I read her marriage to Winkler was annulled.

So I only see one possibly valid marriage. To Allred. Wonder if she ever got divorced from him.

What a mess. Guess all this will come out in the bigamy trial.

Just shows what an irresponsible, conniving individual she is.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::
I an NO expert in mental health issues, but IMO,
I feel that among many things, Elisa is a sociopath, with a severe personality disorder.

Makes her OWN rules, ignores the laws, and has NO conscience ! ::MonkeyMad::

...and up until the time Zahra was reported missing, Elisa had pretty much gotten away with all her antics, missing court appearances, using aliases, moving around, never paying any consequences as far as I can see.

She is right where she belongs. Well, until the fires in hell get stoked.

JMO.

BBM

 ::rhino::



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Samarie on January 23, 2011, 06:46:05 PM
Baker's first marriage was in 1985 to Jerry Alan Winkler in Caldwell County.  In 1997, she was married to Jeffrey Russell Allred in Caldwell County.

Her third marriage was to Adam Baker, whom she met online.  They were married about two years ago.
http://morganton.wbtv.com/content/who-elisa-baker

Then she "married" Adam.

So far, from this info, she was probably married to Allred when she "married" Young.

I read her marriage to Winkler was annulled.

So I only see one possibly valid marriage. To Allred. Wonder if she ever got divorced from him.

What a mess. Guess all this will come out in the bigamy trial.

Just shows what an irresponsible, conniving individual she is.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::
I an NO expert in mental health issues, but IMO,
I feel that among many things, Elisa is a sociopath, with a severe personality disorder.

Makes her OWN rules, ignores the laws, and has NO conscience ! ::MonkeyMad::

...and up until the time Zahra was reported missing, Elisa had pretty much gotten away with all her antics, missing court appearances, using aliases, moving around, never paying any consequences as far as I can see.

She is right where she belongs. Well, until the fires in hell get stoked.

JMO.

BBM

 ::rhino::

Yup...all traits and behaviors associated with a sociopath...

I wouldn't be surprised if Elisa already has her sights set on her next husband...Satan. I almost feel sorry for him.




Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 23, 2011, 07:58:07 PM
Baker's first marriage was in 1985 to Jerry Alan Winkler in Caldwell County.  In 1997, she was married to Jeffrey Russell Allred in Caldwell County.

Her third marriage was to Adam Baker, whom she met online.  They were married about two years ago.
http://morganton.wbtv.com/content/who-elisa-baker

Then she "married" Adam.

So far, from this info, she was probably married to Allred when she "married" Young.

I read her marriage to Winkler was annulled.

So I only see one possibly valid marriage. To Allred. Wonder if she ever got divorced from him.

What a mess. Guess all this will come out in the bigamy trial.

Just shows what an irresponsible, conniving individual she is.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::
I an NO expert in mental health issues, but IMO,
I feel that among many things, Elisa is a sociopath, with a severe personality disorder.

Makes her OWN rules, ignores the laws, and has NO conscience ! ::MonkeyMad::

...and up until the time Zahra was reported missing, Elisa had pretty much gotten away with all her antics, missing court appearances, using aliases, moving around, never paying any consequences as far as I can see.

She is right where she belongs. Well, until the fires in hell get stoked.

JMO.

BBM

 ::rhino::

Yup...all traits and behaviors associated with a sociopath...

I wouldn't be surprised if Elisa already has her sights set on her next husband...Satan. I almost feel sorry for him.



Knowing how her mind works, she is probably working on setting up another patsy, even from jail. All these creeps get letters from admirers. Horrible as she is, she is probably getting her share too. What an awful thought.  (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/16.gif)


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: cookie on January 23, 2011, 08:21:51 PM
I think I'm just more shocked that seven people would actually MARRY that horrible creature!!!!

lol..that was exactly what my post was going to be! almost exact words~


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: starwynn on January 23, 2011, 08:59:46 PM
(condensed a bit)
Knowing how her mind works, she is probably working on setting up another patsy, even from jail. All these creeps get letters from admirers. Horrible as she is, she is probably getting her share too. What an awful thought.  (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/16.gif)

Of course she is.  She wasn't even sure her marriage was over, and already she was chatting up at least one guy - who ended up being the owner of that serial-murder-website guy.  If you read her letter, it reads just like any one of THAT type of woman who talks about how they have been betrayed by their guy SO badly (nevermind what she did to his daughter) and is fawning and asking all about him, like she's interested.  /gagreflexkicksin  Bet she was shocked when she learned she had been used.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 23, 2011, 09:33:53 PM
I'm so anxious to see justice begin for Zahra! What happened to this child is so horrendous it's unimaginable. Right now we have a better picture of what Elisa put her through, but there's no way all that went on without Adam knowing, so I figure that if he knew and didn't protect Zahra, then he probably piled on as well.

I'm more than ready for Adam to be behind bars and for them both to feel a little taste of the fear and pain they caused sweet Zahra.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on January 24, 2011, 02:12:38 AM
I'm so anxious to see justice begin for Zahra! What happened to this child is so horrendous it's unimaginable. Right now we have a better picture of what Elisa put her through, but there's no way all that went on without Adam knowing, so I figure that if he knew and didn't protect Zahra, then he probably piled on as well.

I'm more than ready for Adam to be behind bars and for them both to feel a little taste of the fear and pain they caused sweet Zahra.
A M E N !  U said it all  quite well !


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on January 24, 2011, 03:27:06 AM
Baker's first marriage was in 1985 to Jerry Alan Winkler in Caldwell County.  In 1997, she was married to Jeffrey Russell Allred in Caldwell County.

Her third marriage was to Adam Baker, whom she met online.  They were married about two years ago.
http://morganton.wbtv.com/content/who-elisa-baker

Then she "married" Adam.

So far, from this info, she was probably married to Allred when she "married" Young.

I read her marriage to Winkler was annulled.

So I only see one possibly valid marriage. To Allred. Wonder if she ever got divorced from him.

What a mess. Guess all this will come out in the bigamy trial.

Just shows what an irresponsible, conniving individual she is.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::
I an NO expert in mental health issues, but IMO,
I feel that among many things, Elisa is a sociopath, with a severe personality disorder.

Makes her OWN rules, ignores the laws, and has NO conscience ! ::MonkeyMad::

Lake Erie - I'm no expert on mental health issues, but IMO, the following description fits:


Psychopath – Elisa is a psychopath.

(snip)  “…the term used for a personality disorder characterized by an abnormal lack of empathy combined with strongly amoral conduct but masked by an ability to appear outwardly normal.”   (snip)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy

This is interesting, too:

http://www.cassiopaea.com/cassiopaea/psychopath.htm




Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on January 24, 2011, 03:37:41 AM
Baker's first marriage was in 1985 to Jerry Alan Winkler in Caldwell County.  In 1997, she was married to Jeffrey Russell Allred in Caldwell County.

Her third marriage was to Adam Baker, whom she met online.  They were married about two years ago.
http://morganton.wbtv.com/content/who-elisa-baker

Then she "married" Adam.

So far, from this info, she was probably married to Allred when she "married" Young.

I read her marriage to Winkler was annulled.

So I only see one possibly valid marriage. To Allred. Wonder if she ever got divorced from him.

What a mess. Guess all this will come out in the bigamy trial.

Just shows what an irresponsible, conniving individual she is.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::
I an NO expert in mental health issues, but IMO,
I feel that among many things, Elisa is a sociopath, with a severe personality disorder.

Makes her OWN rules, ignores the laws, and has NO conscience ! ::MonkeyMad::

...and up until the time Zahra was reported missing, Elisa had pretty much gotten away with all her antics, missing court appearances, using aliases, moving around, never paying any consequences as far as I can see.

She is right where she belongs. Well, until the fires in hell get stoked.

JMO.

Brandi - here, here!



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: starwynn on January 25, 2011, 06:48:30 PM
 /sigh   Why am I *not* reading on here today that Adam has been arrested?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 25, 2011, 07:01:18 PM
http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13907414
Death certificate lists Zahra's cause of death as 'pending'
January 25, 2011

HICKORY, NC (WBTV) - A death certificate for Zahra Baker has been filed with the Catawba County Register of Deeds office.

The certificate sets the date of death on October 26, the date remains were found in Caldwell County. The remains of the 10-year-old girl have been found in at least two different places and her stepmother has said that the girl was dismembered after she died, according to search warrants.
The cause of death on the certificate is listed as "Pending." There is a notation that an autopsy was conducted at the state medical examiner's office and that the remains are still there.

It is not unusual, say authorities, for cause of death to be listed as "Pending" if the medical examiner is still awaiting more test results or information from investigators. Authorities would not comment whether that was the case.


The date of death can also be changed depending on test results and information obtained through an investigation.


In search warrants released earlier this month, Elisa Baker was quoted as telling police Zahra died on September 24. In other search warrants, Elisa Baker also said that Zahra's bones, blood and bodily fluids could be found in pipes at the family's home.

Elisa Baker, 42, is in the Catawba County Jail on several worthless check charges and on a charge for obstruction of justice, for allegedly writing a fake ransom note when Zahra went missing in early October, police have said.

She was scheduled to appear in court last Friday, but instead had the bigamy charge served to her while she was in jail and $10,000 more added to her bond.

The latest worthless check charge – from Catawba County – is now also added to the other 6 "simple worthless check" charges against Baker.

Last week was an active week in the Zahra Baker case: Eliza Baker was already indicted this week for bigamy after police said she was not divorced from a man before being married to Zahra's father, Adam Baker is the summer of 2008. (Read the story about the bigamy indictment)

Also, a briefcase was found in woods near where parts of Zahra's body was found, which contains a blanket that might have blood on it. (Read the story about the briefcase)

This week's worthless check charge has a $500 bond, which now brings the total bond for Elisa Baker in the Catawba County Jail to $107,700.

No one has been charged in the death of Zahra, but Elisa Baker did tell authorities that her blood, bones and bodily fluid could be found in the pipes of the Hickory house, according to warrants.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 25, 2011, 07:04:27 PM
http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/jan/25/zahras-death-certificate-offers-few-answers-ar-725128/
Zahra's death certificate offers few answers
No cause of death, no time of death
January 25, 2011

Hickory --

Zahra Baker’s death certificate was filed with the Catawba County Register of Deeds office Tuesday.

The most telling part of the document might be what it doesn’t say.

Under cause of death, the medical examiner wrote one word: “Pending.”

The document fails to shed much light on the mystery surrounding the 10-year-old girl’s death and dismemberment.

The death certificate lists the manner of death as “Pending.” Time of death: “Unknown.”

The Medical Examiner’s Certificate of Death states that an autopsy was performed but the findings were not available prior to the completion of the death certificate.

Zahra’s remains were temporarily held at the Office of the County Medical Examiner and are currently being held in Chapel Hill.

Physician’s Assistant Franklin E. Pippen, a medical examiner employed by Piedmont Pathology, is listed as the person who competed the cause of death determination following Zahra’s autopsy.

Zahra’s date of death is listed as Oct. 26, the day Hickory police found a bone matching Zahra’s DNA in the brush off Christie Road in Caldwell County along with her prosthetic leg.

She likely died on Sept. 24, and her body disposed of the following day, according to search warrants. She was not reported missing until about two weeks later.


Zahra’s father, Adam Baker, was arrested on several charges unrelated to the case, but is out of jail on bond. Her stepmother, Elisa Baker, also has been arrested on several other charges unrelated to Zahra’s disappearance in addition to a charge of obstruction of justice that followed her admission that she wrote a fake ransom note demanding $1 million, according to Hickory police.

Elisa maintains that Adam dismembered Zahra’s limbs and they disposed of them in several locations in Caldwell County, according to the search warrants. Cell phone GPS records indicate that Elisa’s phone, not Adam’s, was in the areas where Zahra’s remains were found.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 25, 2011, 07:20:44 PM
snipped
Cell phone GPS records indicate that Elisa’s phone, not Adam’s, was in the areas where Zahra’s remains were found.

(http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/crazy-1.gif)

This statement always makes me think they believe when you own a cell phone it is sewn to your ear and can't be removed. It isn't like Adam couldn't have picked up Elisa's phone for the trip to make the disposals or he just didn't take his own along. Elisa was probably there with him at any rate. What does this prove, anyway? If it is said enough it must be true? Puhleeze!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 25, 2011, 07:35:10 PM
snipped
Cell phone GPS records indicate that Elisa’s phone, not Adam’s, was in the areas where Zahra’s remains were found.

(http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/crazy-1.gif)

This statement always makes me think they believe when you own a cell phone it is sewn to your ear and can't be removed. It isn't like Adam couldn't have picked up Elisa's phone for the trip to make the disposals or he just didn't take his own along. Elisa was probably there with him at any rate. What does this prove, anyway? If it is said enough it must be true? Puhleeze!

I know  what you mean Fanny Mae.  But I'm wondering if perhaps Adam's cell phone was used/in use at a different location during the  same time Elisa's phone was being used in the area where the disposals were made?  Maybe there's calls from Elisa's phone (at disposal locations) made to Adam's phone somewhere else?  Or maybe there's calls from Adam's phone to someone else somewhere else?   :smt102 That's all I can think of.  And I think just because a phone is used from somewhere doesn't necessarily mean the person that owns it is at that location at that time using said phone. 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on January 26, 2011, 01:26:28 AM
Sweet little Zahra, not to worry !
Justice is coming your way.

A PERFECT conviction takes time, lots of time...I think ! ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: cookie on January 26, 2011, 09:07:05 AM
Sweet little Zahra, not to worry !
Justice is coming your way.

A PERFECT conviction takes time, lots of time...I think ! ::HelloKitty::

 ::rhino:: ::rhino::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: SuzieQ on January 26, 2011, 01:50:00 PM
If any of you are fans of Eyes for Lies (I'm not)

http://blog.eyesforlies.com/2011/01/elisa-bakers-ex-husband-aaron-young.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+EyesForLies+%28Eyes+for+Lies+Blog%29&utm_content=Twitter

 Elisa Baker's Ex-Husband: Aaron Young
  by Eyes at 11:50 AM

Aaron Young, Elisa Baker's ex-husband of 10 years, speaks out about Zahra's death in an exclusive interview with News 14 Carolina.  In this interview, Young talks about several things that I am confident he is being honest about.  He tells us that Elisa was jealous of the attention that Zahra would get.  He also tells us that Adam, Zahra's biological father, was a good guy and that he would do anything for anybody.  I believe these are absolutely true.

Last he tells us that he thinks Elisa is capable of doing this horrible act by herself, which I believe Aaron truly believes.  From what I see of Adam Baker myself, he was the typical nice guy, though nice guys do get caught up in the spells of psychopaths, unfortunately.

I do not think that Aaron Young was involved in killing Zahra Baker.  I believe him here.  I was confused when he said in the first video that he has had nothing to do with Elisa since February, but in the third video he said he took Zahra swimming with five other children in August, but I suspect he was with Adam and Zahra and not Elisa, but I would double check that if I could...just to be sure.




Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on January 26, 2011, 07:53:42 PM
I, personally enjoy reading at the statement analysis blogs.
Often, they r right on the money IMO !
Amazing how our language speaks the truth to those who know how
to "read it."


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 26, 2011, 08:24:55 PM
I am still praying for you Zahra, and I think of you everyday. I come here each day hoping for some movement in your case. They tell me it is coming. I hope to God they are right.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: klaasend on January 26, 2011, 09:17:41 PM
NOTICE:

Red has asked me to ask all of us in the forum NOT to copy and paste entire articles from sites, just post the link and PART of the article.  TIA.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Curly on January 27, 2011, 07:44:36 PM
I'm so anxious to see justice begin for Zahra! What happened to this child is so horrendous it's unimaginable. Right now we have a better picture of what Elisa put her through, but there's no way all that went on without Adam knowing, so I figure that if he knew and didn't protect Zahra, then he probably piled on as well.

I'm more than ready for Adam to be behind bars and for them both to feel a little taste of the fear and pain they caused sweet Zahra.

I'm with you, CBB. This has gone on way too long for my taste.
Justice delayed is justice denied.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Curly on January 27, 2011, 07:45:47 PM
Baker's first marriage was in 1985 to Jerry Alan Winkler in Caldwell County.  In 1997, she was married to Jeffrey Russell Allred in Caldwell County.

Her third marriage was to Adam Baker, whom she met online.  They were married about two years ago.
http://morganton.wbtv.com/content/who-elisa-baker

Then she "married" Adam.

So far, from this info, she was probably married to Allred when she "married" Young.

I read her marriage to Winkler was annulled.

So I only see one possibly valid marriage. To Allred. Wonder if she ever got divorced from him.

What a mess. Guess all this will come out in the bigamy trial.

Just shows what an irresponsible, conniving individual she is.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::
I an NO expert in mental health issues, but IMO,
I feel that among many things, Elisa is a sociopath, with a severe personality disorder.

Makes her OWN rules, ignores the laws, and has NO conscience ! ::MonkeyMad::

Lake Erie - I'm no expert on mental health issues, but IMO, the following description fits:


Psychopath – Elisa is a psychopath.

(snip)  “…the term used for a personality disorder characterized by an abnormal lack of empathy combined with strongly amoral conduct but masked by an ability to appear outwardly normal.”   (snip)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy

This is interesting, too:

http://www.cassiopaea.com/cassiopaea/psychopath.htm




I agree. She is a psychopath. She needs to be put out of her misery.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: pfaubush on January 28, 2011, 06:25:21 PM
Baker's first marriage was in 1985 to Jerry Alan Winkler in Caldwell County.  In 1997, she was married to Jeffrey Russell Allred in Caldwell County.

Her third marriage was to Adam Baker, whom she met online.  They were married about two years ago.
http://morganton.wbtv.com/content/who-elisa-baker

Then she "married" Adam.

So far, from this info, she was probably married to Allred when she "married" Young.

I read her marriage to Winkler was annulled.

So I only see one possibly valid marriage. To Allred. Wonder if she ever got divorced from him.

What a mess. Guess all this will come out in the bigamy trial.

Just shows what an irresponsible, conniving individual she is.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::
I an NO expert in mental health issues, but IMO,
I feel that among many things, Elisa is a sociopath, with a severe personality disorder.

Makes her OWN rules, ignores the laws, and has NO conscience ! ::MonkeyMad::

Lake Erie - I'm no expert on mental health issues, but IMO, the following description fits:


Psychopath – Elisa is a psychopath.

(snip)  “…the term used for a personality disorder characterized by an abnormal lack of empathy combined with strongly amoral conduct but masked by an ability to appear outwardly normal.”   (snip)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy

This is interesting, too:

http://www.cassiopaea.com/cassiopaea/psychopath.htm




I agree. She is a psychopath. She needs to be put out of her misery.

She needs to be put out of everyone's misery!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 28, 2011, 06:26:30 PM
ZAHRA, another week has gone by without much movement in your case. But we haven't forgotten you, precious girl. We are still here standing vigil and lighting our virtual candles for you. You are not alone,  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 28, 2011, 11:58:29 PM
Adam and Elisa Baker get new court dates
Bakers were due in court for communicating threats, worthless checks.

(http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/mgmedia/image/200/150/128328/ADAM-BAKER-CALDWELL-COUNTY/)
(http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/mgmedia/image/200/150/128329/ADAM-BAKER-CALDWELL-COUNTY-2/)
LENOIR --
Elisa and Adam Baker were due in court Thursday for 27 different charges or citations between the two of them.

<snipped>

Adam, 33, was spotted by himself at the Lenoir law office of Shel Pearce, was court-appointed to represent Adam on Nov. 18. Pearce represents Adam on five counts of worthless checks, assault with a deadly weapon, two counts of communicating threats and failure to return rental property.

Elisa and Adam were both given new court dates of April 11.
MORE.....

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/jan/27/adam-and-elisa-baker-get-new-court-dates-ar-732254/


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 29, 2011, 12:31:29 AM
Adam and Elisa Baker get new court dates
Bakers were due in court for communicating threats, worthless checks.

(http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/mgmedia/image/200/150/128328/ADAM-BAKER-CALDWELL-COUNTY/)
(http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/mgmedia/image/200/150/128329/ADAM-BAKER-CALDWELL-COUNTY-2/)
LENOIR --
Elisa and Adam Baker were due in court Thursday for 27 different charges or citations between the two of them.

<snipped>

Adam, 33, was spotted by himself at the Lenoir law office of Shel Pearce, was court-appointed to represent Adam on Nov. 18. Pearce represents Adam on five counts of worthless checks, assault with a deadly weapon, two counts of communicating threats and failure to return rental property.

Elisa and Adam were both given new court dates of April 11.
MORE.....

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/jan/27/adam-and-elisa-baker-get-new-court-dates-ar-732254/

At least we have a little reassurance that Adam is still in Hickory, at least right now.  Delay, delay, delay. That is the mantra of the Judicial System, which is sadly broken.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on January 29, 2011, 08:11:47 PM
No linky, from hinky

ellejay on Hinky Meter posted this today around 1:30pm.  Not soon after ellejay posted it on Hinky,  Jennifer Moxley (News 14) deleted it from her facebook page.
 
ellejay:(Hinky Meter):
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 1:29 pm
 
..interesting comment made by jennifer moxley on her f/b:

Jennifer Moxley :"No I didn't say furniture employee changed the dates.
I personally believe furniture store woman was mistaken about the date or about seeing them because I talked to a man who sold the Bakers a dog on Sept 25. Impossible they were at both places. Dog seller more credible.
Then warrants came out where Elisa told police the date Zahra died before the 25th.
Warrants also showed elisa texting someone about getting a new mattress on sept 20."
4 hours ago ·
.........
I do remember the lady who sold the mattress to EB. It was not disclosed who picked it up or how it got to the Goth's place. EB didn't walk

there and back with a mattress on her back.


Link:  Scroll down for Ellejay's post:

http://thehinkymeter.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=21616


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: SuzieQ on January 30, 2011, 10:30:07 AM
Chat House News has started a time line on Zahra.

http://www.chathousenews.com/2010/10/zahra-baker-timeline.html

July 2010 - Zahra and her parents move out of the trailer park in Caldwell County.

August 2010 - Zahra is enrolled in the 5th grade at Hudson elementary but never shows. Elisa informs the school Zahra is being home schooled even though there is no paper filed saying she was being home schooled.

September ?, 2010 - Adam and Elisa move to the new residence in Hickory, North Carolina. Neighbors report never seeing or knowing they had a daughter.

September 22, 2010 A correction was made and the ladies at the furniture store now say the day they saw Zahra was on the 22, 2010. She was happy and not sick."Per Jennifer Moxley (channel 14 news reporter): She (furniture store clerk) was just mistaken. Sources said 9-22 was last time someone outside family saw Zahra. This is the first time we had confirmation of that."

snipped:


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: SuzieQ on January 30, 2011, 10:32:36 AM
If they moved out of the trailer in July and didn't move into the house in Hickory until September, where were they for two months?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 30, 2011, 11:42:39 AM
If they moved out of the trailer in July and didn't move into the house in Hickory until September, where were they for two months?

I am sure whoever was harboring them during that time, is very reluctant to tell. I'm sure they saw and heard things they wish they hadn't. They are probably more people who let Zahra down.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Sister on January 30, 2011, 02:41:17 PM
Sweet little Zahra, not to worry !
Justice is coming your way.

A PERFECT conviction takes time, lots of time...I think ! ::HelloKitty::
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/WEATHER/furby-halo2-1.gif)


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Brandi on January 30, 2011, 02:53:50 PM
Chat House News has started a time line on Zahra.

http://www.chathousenews.com/2010/10/zahra-baker-timeline.html

July 2010 - Zahra and her parents move out of the trailer park in Caldwell County.

August 2010 - Zahra is enrolled in the 5th grade at Hudson elementary but never shows. Elisa informs the school Zahra is being home schooled even though there is no paper filed saying she was being home schooled.

September ?, 2010 - Adam and Elisa move to the new residence in Hickory, North Carolina. Neighbors report never seeing or knowing they had a daughter.

September 22, 2010 A correction was made and the ladies at the furniture store now say the day they saw Zahra was on the 22, 2010. She was happy and not sick."Per Jennifer Moxley (channel 14 news reporter): She (furniture store clerk) was just mistaken. Sources said 9-22 was last time someone outside family saw Zahra. This is the first time we had confirmation of that."

snipped:

I am curious where this blogger is getting the dates he/she is using.

I have not seen it reported that they moved out of the trailer in July. (I have seen "sometime over the summer.")

Also the Sept. date of moving into the house in Hickory ... I have only seen "in late August or early September" reported.

http://www2.journalnow.com/news/2010/nov/01/stepmother-abused-her-neighbors-say-ar-499832/


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: statru on January 30, 2011, 07:24:19 PM
Quote
Elisa Baker already faces the obstruction charge, and was recently charged with bigamy: Police say she married Adam Baker in 2008, a year before divorcing her previous husband. Concealing a death is also a crime in North Carolina.

Convictions for all those crimes would probably result in about a year's prison time - or possibly probation - for someone with a minor criminal record, like Elisa Baker. She has long-ago convictions for assault and worthless checks, and both she and her husband face pending charges of communicating threats, worthless checks and failing to return rental property.

The article is an interesting read.

http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Will-there-be-justice-for-Zahra-Baker-114897329.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 31, 2011, 01:17:14 AM
Will there be justice for Zahra Baker?

http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Will-there-be-justice-for-Zahra-Baker-114897329.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 31, 2011, 01:17:52 AM

Will there be justice for Zahra Baker?
No one charged in death after 3 months, raising fears that no one will be held accountable.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/01/30/2021455/will-there-be-justice-for-zahra.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 31, 2011, 01:19:03 AM
No charges filed yet in child's death

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2011/01/30/No-charges-filed-yet-in-childs-death/UPI-76071296420670/


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: statru on January 31, 2011, 09:10:49 PM
All the evidence was turned over to the DA today.
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The case file the police department submitted to the district attorney’s office fills two five-inch notebooks, and includes 117 DVDs of interviews and 65 DVDs with phone records and photos, Deal said. There are 11,000 pages on discs, and that doesn’t include what the N.C. State Bureau of Investigation will submit.


http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/jan/31/zahra-baker-case-turned-over-district-attorneys-of-ar-741995/


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 31, 2011, 09:30:06 PM
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Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Brandi on January 31, 2011, 09:49:16 PM
All the evidence was turned over to the DA today.
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The case file the police department submitted to the district attorney’s office fills two five-inch notebooks, and includes 117 DVDs of interviews and 65 DVDs with phone records and photos, Deal said. There are 11,000 pages on discs, and that doesn’t include what the N.C. State Bureau of Investigation will submit.


http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/jan/31/zahra-baker-case-turned-over-district-attorneys-of-ar-741995/

Thanks, stratu!

From the article:
“It is an exhaustively thorough investigation, and we applaud the Hickory Police Department and the cooperating agencies for their work,” Farr said. “Now we begin the process of evaluating it and determining what charges will be filed.”

He said that will take some time.

I see this as progress.
 ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Gypsy DD on January 31, 2011, 09:56:12 PM
All the evidence was turned over to the DA today.
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The case file the police department submitted to the district attorney’s office fills two five-inch notebooks, and includes 117 DVDs of interviews and 65 DVDs with phone records and photos, Deal said. There are 11,000 pages on discs, and that doesn’t include what the N.C. State Bureau of Investigation will submit.


http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/jan/31/zahra-baker-case-turned-over-district-attorneys-of-ar-741995/

Thanks, stratu!

From the article:
“It is an exhaustively thorough investigation, and we applaud the Hickory Police Department and the cooperating agencies for their work,” Farr said. “Now we begin the process of evaluating it and determining what charges will be filed.”

He said that will take some time.

I see this as progress.
 ::MonkeyGavel::

Yes..I do also.  The investigation is comp;ete. the info is in the hands of the DA's office..tick tock..tick tock.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on January 31, 2011, 10:00:48 PM
All the evidence was turned over to the DA today.
Quote
The case file the police department submitted to the district attorney’s office fills two five-inch notebooks, and includes 117 DVDs of interviews and 65 DVDs with phone records and photos, Deal said. There are 11,000 pages on discs, and that doesn’t include what the N.C. State Bureau of Investigation will submit.


http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/jan/31/zahra-baker-case-turned-over-district-attorneys-of-ar-741995/

Thanks, stratu!

From the article:
“It is an exhaustively thorough investigation, and we applaud the Hickory Police Department and the cooperating agencies for their work,” Farr said. “Now we begin the process of evaluating it and determining what charges will be filed.”

He said that will take some time.

I see this as progress.
 ::MonkeyGavel::

Ok BRANDI. Because you and the rest of the monkeys are trying to keep me bucked up and positive, I am going to agree with you. It's the part that Mr Farr says it will take some time gets my adrenalin flowing. The DA usually works along with the LE on a case like this, and knows it like the back of his hand. He usually is on every movement of the case even going to the scenes and sometimes in on the interrogations. I'm thinking I don't like Mr Farr's methods.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Brandi on February 01, 2011, 02:27:59 AM
All the evidence was turned over to the DA today.
Quote
The case file the police department submitted to the district attorney’s office fills two five-inch notebooks, and includes 117 DVDs of interviews and 65 DVDs with phone records and photos, Deal said. There are 11,000 pages on discs, and that doesn’t include what the N.C. State Bureau of Investigation will submit.


http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/jan/31/zahra-baker-case-turned-over-district-attorneys-of-ar-741995/

Thanks, stratu!

From the article:
“It is an exhaustively thorough investigation, and we applaud the Hickory Police Department and the cooperating agencies for their work,” Farr said. “Now we begin the process of evaluating it and determining what charges will be filed.”

He said that will take some time.

I see this as progress.
 ::MonkeyGavel::

Ok BRANDI. Because you and the rest of the monkeys are trying to keep me bucked up and positive, I am going to agree with you. It's the part that Mr Farr says it will take some time gets my adrenalin flowing. The DA usually works along with the LE on a case like this, and knows it like the back of his hand. He usually is on every movement of the case even going to the scenes and sometimes in on the interrogations. I'm thinking I don't like Mr Farr's methods.

I am buying this explanation:

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The file is "probably the largest I can remember," said Hickory Police Major Clyde Deal. The file details everything that local investigators found, tested, and sent off. There are 117 DVD's with recorded interviews, some involving stepmother Elisa baker and Zahra's father Adam.

There are also 65 cd's with maps, photographs and other documents.  In addition to all that is a cd with 11 thousand pages of information. The District Attorney's Office says it is still waiting for the file from the State Bureau of Investigations.

Many of the interviews will have to be transcribed, and everything else will have to be printed. Officials say it could bring the total page count to 30,000.  The state is being asked to help in the matter and the files may be taken to Raleigh to be uploaded into a state server and printed.
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Major Deal said there is no timetable for a decision. "There is absolutely no reason to rush this thing because there's not any second chances and we have to get it right the first time."
http://www.wect.com/Global/story.asp?S=13942017


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Green Eyes on February 01, 2011, 02:39:17 AM
Thank You Brandi for the articles and up dates.  I know it takes time and I want them to have everything in order to make the guilty party/parties accountable for Zahra's death.  ::MonkeyTears:: 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Sister on February 01, 2011, 08:47:49 AM
Thank You Brandi for the articles and up dates.  I know it takes time and I want them to have everything in order to make the guilty party/parties accountable for Zahra's death.  ::MonkeyTears:: 
I agree Green Eyes.  It does take time and they obviously want to do a good job and leave no stone unturned.  Justice is coming precious one!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on February 01, 2011, 09:03:04 AM
All the evidence was turned over to the DA today.
Quote
The case file the police department submitted to the district attorney’s office fills two five-inch notebooks, and includes 117 DVDs of interviews and 65 DVDs with phone records and photos, Deal said. There are 11,000 pages on discs, and that doesn’t include what the N.C. State Bureau of Investigation will submit.


http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/jan/31/zahra-baker-case-turned-over-district-attorneys-of-ar-741995/

Thanks, stratu!

From the article:
“It is an exhaustively thorough investigation, and we applaud the Hickory Police Department and the cooperating agencies for their work,” Farr said. “Now we begin the process of evaluating it and determining what charges will be filed.”

He said that will take some time.

I see this as progress.
 ::MonkeyGavel::

Ok BRANDI. Because you and the rest of the monkeys are trying to keep me bucked up and positive, I am going to agree with you. It's the part that Mr Farr says it will take some time gets my adrenalin flowing. The DA usually works along with the LE on a case like this, and knows it like the back of his hand. He usually is on every movement of the case even going to the scenes and sometimes in on the interrogations. I'm thinking I don't like Mr Farr's methods.

I am buying this explanation:

Quote
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The file is "probably the largest I can remember," said Hickory Police Major Clyde Deal. The file details everything that local investigators found, tested, and sent off. There are 117 DVD's with recorded interviews, some involving stepmother Elisa baker and Zahra's father Adam.

There are also 65 cd's with maps, photographs and other documents.  In addition to all that is a cd with 11 thousand pages of information. The District Attorney's Office says it is still waiting for the file from the State Bureau of Investigations.

Many of the interviews will have to be transcribed, and everything else will have to be printed. Officials say it could bring the total page count to 30,000.  The state is being asked to help in the matter and the files may be taken to Raleigh to be uploaded into a state server and printed.
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/little-red-scissors.gif)
Major Deal said there is no timetable for a decision. "There is absolutely no reason to rush this thing because there's not any second chances and we have to get it right the first time."
http://www.wect.com/Global/story.asp?S=13942017

I grant you it is a very big case, probably they have had little experience in a case like this, (but what department has?) By this time DA Assistants would have mulled over the complete case as the details and forensics crawl in. They would have already formed an opinion whether or not this case will hold up. Farr is either a micro-manager or a total dictator to say he has to sit down and go through the reams of evidence himself.

I just don't like Farr's methods. But, it's only money so what does it matter that Zahra has laid in pieces for months (some of them have never been found) and one of the participating parties is driving himself around town and to court in a suit? And a new car, no less. Put the bas*ard in jail where  he belongs instead of rubbing him in everyone's faces. He certainly had the charges to keep him there when they arrested him the first time, but no, he gets to go home to the comforting arms of his mommy. Being stupid and besotted by some crazy witch does not make him innocent. I don't like Farr, and the buck stops with him.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 01, 2011, 12:08:42 PM
DA's Office Begins Reviewing 30000 Pages In Zahra Baker Case‎

http://www.digtriad.com/news/local/article.aspx?storyid=159097&catid=57


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 01, 2011, 12:09:22 PM
Zahra Case On Prosecutor's Desk

http://www.goblueridge.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=11164


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 01, 2011, 12:10:50 PM
Hickory police turn over Zahra evidence to DA
Attorneys are scrutinizing 11,000 pages

http://www2.morganton.com/news/2011/feb/01/hickory-police-turn-over-zahra-evidence-da-ar-742449/


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on February 01, 2011, 03:26:32 PM
Hickory police turn over Zahra evidence to DA
Attorneys are scrutinizing 11,000 pages

http://www2.morganton.com/news/2011/feb/01/hickory-police-turn-over-zahra-evidence-da-ar-742449/
Thanks NorthernRose.  ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Sister on February 02, 2011, 04:30:34 AM

I grant you it is a very big case, probably they have had little experience in a case like this, (but what department has?) By this time DA Assistants would have mulled over the complete case as the details and forensics crawl in. They would have already formed an opinion whether or not this case will hold up. Farr is either a micro-manager or a total dictator to say he has to sit down and go through the reams of evidence himself.

I just don't like Farr's methods. But, it's only money so what does it matter that Zahra has laid in pieces for months (some of them have never been found) and one of the participating parties is driving himself around town and to court in a suit? And a new car, no less. Put the bas*ard in jail where  he belongs instead of rubbing him in everyone's faces. He certainly had the charges to keep him there when they arrested him the first time, but no, he gets to go home to the comforting arms of his mommy. Being stupid and besotted by some crazy witch does not make him innocent. I don't like Farr, and the buck stops with him.
Fanny, I feel your impatience too!  Yet I would prefer LE take their time and get him in jail to stay.  I am sure the DA has been kept informed of what was being turned over long before the actual documents were given to them.  I could be wrong, of course.  The other thought that crossed my mind is they are possibly tailing him to see if he or his mommy dearest go somewhere to try and get rid pof evidence.  Hang tight Fanny, justice is coming!
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Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 02, 2011, 06:42:49 PM
Elisa Baker could be out of jail by Spring

NEWTON, NC (WBTV) – The stepmother of Zahra Baker remains behind jail in Catawba County, but that could change this spring if no new charges are filed against her.

Baker was arrested on October 10 and faces various traffic and other misdemeanor charges that usually do not result in active jail time.

She does face felony charges of Bigamy and Obstruction of Justice for writing a fake ransom note but it is rare for someone to serve jail time for Bigamy. As for Obstruction of Justice, the presumptive sentence, according to court papers, would be in the 6 to 8 month range, if she is convicted.

By the time her next court date arrives in April, Baker will have already spent six months behind bars awaiting trial.

"She will already have maxed out her sentence on the Obstruction charge even before she's tried for it," said her defense attorney Scott Reilly on Wednesday. "You can't keep someone in jail for more than the maximum sentence she would get even if she were found guilty."

MORE....

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13958414


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 02, 2011, 06:48:21 PM
Mr DA had better not drag his feet too long if there is evidence.  I do not think the locals will be too thrilled if she gets out in April before it even goes to court.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on February 02, 2011, 07:28:41 PM

I grant you it is a very big case, probably they have had little experience in a case like this, (but what department has?) By this time DA Assistants would have mulled over the complete case as the details and forensics crawl in. They would have already formed an opinion whether or not this case will hold up. Farr is either a micro-manager or a total dictator to say he has to sit down and go through the reams of evidence himself.

I just don't like Farr's methods. But, it's only money so what does it matter that Zahra has laid in pieces for months (some of them have never been found) and one of the participating parties is driving himself around town and to court in a suit? And a new car, no less. Put the bas*ard in jail where  he belongs instead of rubbing him in everyone's faces. He certainly had the charges to keep him there when they arrested him the first time, but no, he gets to go home to the comforting arms of his mommy. Being stupid and besotted by some crazy witch does not make him innocent. I don't like Farr, and the buck stops with him.
Fanny, I feel your impatience too!  Yet I would prefer LE take their time and get him in jail to stay.  I am sure the DA has been kept informed of what was being turned over long before the actual documents were given to them.  I could be wrong, of course.  The other thought that crossed my mind is they are possibly tailing him to see if he or his mommy dearest go somewhere to try and get rid pof evidence.  Hang tight Fanny, justice is coming!
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SISTER,your words to me are very kind. You have a way of soothing my soul when I am at my rockiest. We were without power for about 12 hours last night due to the storm. I cannot sleep without my c-pap so I sat in my recliner by the light of a battery operated lamp. Miss Kitty who will not sleep at night without me being in bed laid in my lap. I thought one by one the progress of each of the cases who's little faces I can see if I close my eyes. Zahra's haunts me. She got the short end of the stick in every way possible. She was failed by everyone who could have helped her. Even her beloved Grandma whom Zahra didn't want to leave is now fluffing herself over her devil offspring like a duck over her duckling forgetting the sweet loving face of her little grand daughter. And it makes me sad, and it makes me angry.

Now the same thing is happening with her "court" case. Zahra is forgotten in this too. Now it is Elisa and the unnamed, unaccused , free to roam, evidently very well fed, smirking hulk of a total failure of a father who's rights and comfort are front and center. Let's not make a mistake here. We've been too busy and it would take too many hours to keep up with the day to day investigations. So she gets the dregs of what they can eek out of their busy lives to finally get around to perusing the evidence. She has been murdered for months, and nobody noticed for weeks. Now they are just getting around to even looking at the evidence? Oh, I forgot, we have had Thanksgiving and Christmas and New Years between all this time. Everybody has to have their long holiday's, don't they? They couldn't possible work during that time. And oh yes, I forgot Martin Luther King Day. Couldn't work that day either.

My point is they have had more than ample time to get their forensics back, interviews done, ducks in a row and whatever their excuses are. Justice moves slowly because we don't demand more from them. They use this pat excuse, and we have to accept it. Well, I for one, don't eccept this. I have a little experience in how these things work and most of the time it is the same clown show we are seeing on Caylee's case. And that in itself is another matter.

So, don't think I am not letting your kind words sink in to me. They are. You mean more to me SISTER,than you can ever know. You have been always my friend, and I felt you over the miles, even when there was no way for us to communicate. You have welcomed me back with open arms, even when some of my "friends" won't even acknowledge me. So I am going to meditate and try to believe that this case will come to fruition and all my ansk will have been for nothing. I have a bumper sticker pinned to my bulletin board that says "RELAX, GOD IS IN CHARGE." I am going to do my best to not let my faith in God slip. If you could, I hope you will say an extra silent prayer for me.  ::MonkeyAngel::
 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on February 02, 2011, 07:32:45 PM
Mr DA had better not drag his feet too long if there is evidence.  I do not think the locals will be too thrilled if she gets out in April before it even goes to court.

Good thing I didn't read your post NORTHERN before I posted to SISTER. We are already having to put ice packs on my keyboard as it is. (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/fireextinguisher.gif)


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Sister on February 03, 2011, 08:34:38 AM
Mr DA had better not drag his feet too long if there is evidence.  I do not think the locals will be too thrilled if she gets out in April before it even goes to court.

Good thing I didn't read your post NORTHERN before I posted to SISTER. We are already having to put ice packs on my keyboard as it is. (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/fireextinguisher.gif)
Fanny my friend, answer as God asks, "Do you trust me?"  Zahra will have her justice.  Maybe not when we want it or even how we would have it, but justice will come for this precious child of God who now rest in His comfort.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: cw618 on February 03, 2011, 09:28:24 AM
thanks for the updates,11k pgs,there has to be some rock solid, evidence in there somewhere


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: klaasend on February 03, 2011, 10:18:08 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/02/03/stepmother-dismembered-north-carolina-girl-married-times/?test=latestnews

Stepmother of Dismembered North Carolina Girl Married 7 Times

Published February 03, 2011 | Associated Press


GAFFNEY, S.C. -- The stepmother of the North Carolina girl whose dismembered remains were found in the western part of the state was married seven times, and she was wed to more than one man on several occasions, according to an Associated Press investigation.

Elisa Baker was indicted last month on a bigamy charge involving her marriage to Zahra Baker's father, Adam, and another man, but AP found documents at half a dozen county courthouses that showed at one point she was married to three men at the same time, calling into question the single charge.

The question of bigamy is unrelated to Zahra's case. No one has been charged in her death, although Elisa Baker is jailed on charges of obstructing the investigation into her stepdaughter's disappearance. Zahra's parents reported her missing Oct. 9, and her remains were found several miles apart a few weeks later.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/02/03/stepmother-dismembered-north-carolina-girl-married-times/#ixzz1CuRDl9se

((snipped))


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 03, 2011, 10:27:36 AM
<snipped>

AP found documents at half a dozen county courthouses that showed at one point she was married to three men at the same time, calling into question the single charge.

<snipped>

Husband number five was Jeffrey Allred, who married Elisa on Oct. 3, 1997. Allred told The Associated Press he walked out in the spring of 1998, and was so damaged by the experience he never got a divorce.

<snipped>

After Allred, Elisa wed again, marrying Aaron Young on Aug. 8, 1998, again getting a license in Gaffney. She had married three men in three years -- and was not legally divorced from any of them.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/02/03/stepmother-dismembered-north-carolina-girl-married-times/#ixzz1CuRDl9se



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 03, 2011, 10:31:02 AM
AP Exclusive: Zahra Baker's stepmother had been married seven times

<snipped>

Elisa Baker's earliest two marriages seem to have been valid, although the first, which occurred when she was a minor, was quickly annulled at the request of the teenage groom's father.

It was her third marriage, to Andrew Harris Jr., that raises questions. She was divorced from him on Dec. 14, 1995 — 10 months after she wed Darrell Putnam, getting her marriage license in Gaffney.

http://www.gastongazette.com/articles/stepmother-54794-baker-times.html



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 03, 2011, 10:32:46 AM
Zahra Baker's Stepmom Married 7 Times, Often Overlapping

<snipped>

An Associated Press investigation finds that 42-year-old Elisa Baker had multiple overlapping marriages starting in the 1990s. She's still technically married to her fifth husband, who never sought a divorce.

http://www.wfae.org/wfae/stat_search.cfm?id=6902&action=display


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 03, 2011, 10:37:55 AM
Condolences to Jeffrey Allred - husband number 5 - who seems to still have her as his wife. Wonder how long it take him to file for divorce now? 

1.  ? Teenager -  Annulled by groom's father (dude you owe your Dad big time!)
2.  ?
3. Andrew Harris Jr
4. Darrell Putnam
5. Jeffrey Allred (Still legally married)
6. Aaron Young
7. Adam Baker


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 03, 2011, 10:41:23 AM
Zahra's stepmother married 7 times

http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/AP-Exclusive-Zahras-stepmother-married-7-times-115178114.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 03, 2011, 10:42:39 AM
Zahra's stepmom was married 7 times, investigation finds

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13962304


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 03, 2011, 11:18:14 AM
To recap.

Elisa Annette Baker
born 6 Jun 1968, Burke, NC
Parents - Marshall Thomas Fairchild  and Sylvia Jean Barnes

1.  ? Teenager -  Annulled by groom's father (dude you owe your Dad big time!)
2. Jerry Alan Winkler - married 14 Sep 1985 Caldwell County , Divorced 29 Jan 1986 Caldwell County
3. Andrew Harris Jr - married 7 Apr 1991 SC, Divorced 14 Dec 1995 Lenoir, NC
4. Darrell Putnam - married 4 Feb ????, Divorced 22 Nov 1999, Cleveland,NC
5. Jeffrey Allred  - married 1997 - (Media reports Still legally married)
6. Aaron Young - married Aug 8 1998, divorced Aug 2009
7. Adam Baker - Married July  2008


I disagree with the media that she is still legally married to Allred as she did not divorce Putnam until 1999.  She was married to Putnam, Allred and Young all at the same time.  Which means her marriages to Allred and Putnam are nulled.  So her marriage to Baker is valid as her marriage to Young does not count?  ::MonkeyConfused::   ::MonkeyConfused::  ::MonkeyConfused::

Edit: Added Date and Location in blue


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on February 03, 2011, 11:18:44 AM
Mr DA had better not drag his feet too long if there is evidence.  I do not think the locals will be too thrilled if she gets out in April before it even goes to court.

Good thing I didn't read your post NORTHERN before I posted to SISTER. We are already having to put ice packs on my keyboard as it is. (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/fireextinguisher.gif)
Fanny my friend, answer as God asks, "Do you trust me?"  Zahra will have her justice.  Maybe not when we want it or even how we would have it, but justice will come for this precious child of God who now rest in His comfort.

Thank you for answering me, SISTER. I am working on it. I really am.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 03, 2011, 11:20:11 AM
MOD  - I messed up the post above.  Can you please add after born - 6 Jun 1968, Burke, NC

TYIA


Done.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Curly on February 03, 2011, 11:27:18 AM
it's so unbeleivable to me that there are 7 men out there that actually married her .
She's so disgusting. I can only imagine what they're like after seeing AY and AB.
So she's a trigamist. What a  freak.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: statru on February 03, 2011, 12:19:14 PM
Mr DA had better not drag his feet too long if there is evidence.  I do not think the locals will be too thrilled if she gets out in April before it even goes to court.

People around here would be more than happy to handle it...


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: 4getUnot on February 03, 2011, 01:10:49 PM
To recap.

Elisa Annette Baker
born 6 Jun 1968, Burke, NC
Parents - Marshall Thomas Fairchild  and Sylvia Jean Barnes

1.  ? Teenager -  Annulled by groom's father (dude you owe your Dad big time!)
2. Jerry Alan Winkler - married 14 Sep 1985 Caldwell County , Divorced 29 Jan 1986 Caldwell County
3. Andrew Harris Jr - married 7 Apr 1991 SC, Divorced 14 Dec 1995 Lenoir, NC
4. Darrell Putnam - married 4 Feb ????, Divorced 22 Nov 1999, Cleveland,NC
5. Jeffrey Allred  - married 1997 - (Media reports Still legally married)
6. Aaron Young - married Aug 8 1998, divorced Aug 2009
7. Adam Baker - Married July  2008


I disagree with the media that she is still legally married to Allred as she did not divorce Putnam until 1999.  She was married to Putnam, Allred and Young all at the same time.  Which means her marriages to Allred and Putnam are nulled.  So her marriage to Baker is valid as her marriage to Young does not count?  ::MonkeyConfused::   ::MonkeyConfused::  ::MonkeyConfused::

Edit: Added Date and Location in blue

Good Afternoon Monkeys!
I wonder if she was legally divorced from Jerry Alan Winkler because in NC you can't get a divorce until you've been legally seperated for a year and from the looks of it their marriage didn't last long enough to get a divorce!



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on February 03, 2011, 01:16:19 PM
Good afternoon monkey friends !
I do not know if u all saw this or not, but is a fantastic post, IMO !

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=34799002&postID=7798369066972654442


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on February 03, 2011, 01:18:10 PM
Good afternoon monkey friends !
I do not know if u all saw this or not, but is a fantastic post, IMO !

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=34799002&postID=7798369066972654442

I was referring to what "HOBNOB"
posted. I did not want to post the entire article.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on February 03, 2011, 01:23:13 PM
Good afternoon monkey friends !
I do not know if u all saw this or not, but is a fantastic post, IMO !

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=34799002&postID=7798369066972654442

I was referring to what "HOBNOB"
posted. I did not want to post the entire article.

Thanks for the link LAKE ERIE PRINCESS. It is an interesting article.  I have been missing you.  :smt049


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 03, 2011, 02:10:11 PM
This is a must read article as most of her Ex's are interviewed.  I will make changes on dates and marriages based on this as well.

Dismembered NC girl's stepmom led a troubled life

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/03/AR2011020303595.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 03, 2011, 02:30:22 PM
Elisa Annette Baker
born 6 Jun 1968, Burke, NC
Parents - Marshall Thomas Fairchild  and Sylvia Jean Barnes

Amber born father unknown

1. Jerry Alan Winkler - married 14 Sep 1985 Caldwell County , Divorced 29 Jan 1986 Caldwell County Annulled by groom's father (dude you owe your Dad big time!)
Since they were both under 18, they needed their parents' permission. They lied to Winkler's parents and told them he was the father of Amber. To prove it, they forged a copy of a blood test.

2. Joseph Proctor - married 5 sept 1987, divorced 1992
Douglas born a few months later
Brittany born a year later
Lived in Protor's Mother's house Levirtis White
April 1989 Levirtis asked a judge for a restraining order, claiming Elisa was stealing and destroying property in the home.  Elisa responded - "If I have to get out of here, I'll burn the house down. I'm going to kill this baby. I'm going to wreck this car. I'll kill those kids."
 

3. Andrew Harris Jr - married 7 Apr 1991 SC(per Ancestry.com) 17 Apr 1992 (per Harris) , Divorced 14 Dec 1995 Lenoir, NC
After a fight in early 1994, Harris left the house for a few days. When he returned, it was empty. No furniture, guns or fishing rods


4. Darrell Putnam - married 4 Feb 1995, Divorced 22 Nov 1999, Cleveland,NC
Putnam was 30 and had been deaf nearly his entire life
She told him about her girls, but lied and said 8-year-old Amber had cancer
Elisa's mother dies
One day after work, Putnam found her in bed with another man. He walked to his mother's house, and returned a few days later. Everything was gone, including his expensive hearing aids


5. Jeffrey Allred  - married 3 Oct 1997 - (Media reports Still legally married)
Spring of 1998 she took teh kids to Walmart, he packed and left.
He said she beat him with a baseball bat and threw rocks at him. He was so spooked that he never divorced her he was too afraid he might see her in court.
 

6. Aaron Young - married Aug 8 1998, divorced Aug 2009
Aaron Young, who met Elisa while she was married to Allred, picked up the pieces. It was the first time a woman had paid attention to him.
She was 30, he was 20 when they married
Aaron Young's mother spotted her kissing another man in a car in 2007, and her sixth marriage ended

7. Adam Baker - Married 8 July  2008
He was 33, she was 40 when they met
In Australia, Zahra's medical treatments were free. But Adam Baker told his friends and family Elisa Baker had money and would take care of the bills


With info from

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/03/AR2011020303595_5.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on February 03, 2011, 02:51:06 PM
Good afternoon monkey friends !
I do not know if u all saw this or not, but is a fantastic post, IMO !

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=34799002&postID=7798369066972654442

I was referring to what "HOBNOB"
posted. I did not want to post the entire article.

Thanks for the link LAKE ERIE PRINCESS. It is an interesting article.  I have been missing you.  :smt049

I lurk and read a lot here. I miss everyone, but your psts turn a bad day right side up for me.
This woman's past gets murkier and murkier.
Geez, what is next ?

I have concluded that I would not trust her with a dog, let alone a child !


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: SuzieQ on February 03, 2011, 02:53:44 PM
NR this is probably the same article. I agree, a must read.

http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-national/20110203/US.Disabled.Girl.Killed/


Dismembered NC girl's stepmom led a troubled life

HICKORY, N.C. — Elisa Baker had an uncanny ability to stay ahead of bill collectors, police, social workers and her multiple husbands, The Associated Press discovered in an investigation of the woman who led authorities to the dismembered remains of her disabled, 10-year-old stepdaughter.

Few saw her pattern because when she abandoned a relationship, she usually severed all ties. In seven years, she had no fewer than 42 different addresses. During a different three-year stretch, she was married to three men at the same time.

In interviews with three dozen people, and a review of hundreds of court and police documents, AP unraveled a life of deception described by friends, family and the vulnerable men she wed, including some with disabilities. At times, they said, she was physically abusive.

Elisa (eh-LEES'-uh) Baker is charged with obstructing the investigation of the disappearance of Zahra Baker, the freckle-faced girl who fought bone cancer, but no one has been charged in Zahra's death.

The stepmother has been the center of the investigation, though, and the details of her strained relationships and early family life help explain why.

Neither Elisa Baker, 42, who is jailed, nor her attorneys, responded to repeated requests for comment. Other members of her family, including her daughters, declined to speak with the AP.

Those who knew Elisa described an attractive high school student who became manipulative, cunning and insecure, struggling with obesity. Even as she got older and gained more weight, men were drawn to her.

At other times, she detached herself from society, immersed in the online world. There, she made herself over as E'lesa, a darkly glamorous woman whose allure reached Zahra's father, Adam Baker, an Australian who lived far from her economically depressed corner of Appalachia.

"This is a woman who thought she could talk her way out of anything, that she was smarter than everybody else. But she never told the truth," said Andrew Harris Jr., her third husband. "She hurt a lot of people."

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Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: SuzieQ on February 03, 2011, 02:57:51 PM
Thought this was interesting.

snipped:

In the fall of 1994, a neighbor told Darrell Putnam she had found the perfect woman for him. Putnam was 30 and had been deaf nearly his entire life. He can understand speech with his hearing aids on, but his disability made it difficult for him to find dates, said his mother, Margie Putnam.

Elisa and Darrell Putnam went to a bar. She told him about her girls, but lied and said 8-year-old Amber had cancer.

Within weeks, they moved in together.

About this time, Elisa's mother died of cancer, and she had ballooned to more than 300 pounds.

"I wouldn't see her for days," Darrell Putnam said, at times using sign language as his mother interpreted. "She would go out and get drunk and carry on. She was never home."

Worse, when she was there, she would "smack around" her children, Darrell Putnam said.

They married Feb. 4, 1995, but their relationship quickly disintegrated.

One day after work, Putnam found her in bed with another man. He walked to his mother's house, and returned a few days later. Everything was gone, including his expensive hearing aids.

"All he wanted was a family," Margie Putnam said. "He loved those girls. He stayed with her because of those girls. But in the end she broke his heart. She was pure evil."

snipped:

http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-national/20110203/US.Disabled.Girl.Killed/


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 03, 2011, 02:58:07 PM
She was still married to Putnam when she married Allred and is still married to Allred as he is too scared to see her in court to get a divorce.  Depending on how the law looks at this, the Allred marriage never happened as she was still married to Putnam which then means that AY's marriage also never happened as she was still married to Putnam  (wonder if he can get a refund for the marriage cert and divorce?) but she is married to AB?

Anyone? 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: SuzieQ on February 03, 2011, 03:15:06 PM
Northern Rose, I am as confused as you are.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: starwynn on February 03, 2011, 03:47:39 PM
Elisa Annette Baker
born 6 Jun 1968, Burke, NC
Parents - Marshall Thomas Fairchild  and Sylvia Jean Barnes

Amber born father unknown

1. Jerry Alan Winkler - married 14 Sep 1985 Caldwell County , Divorced 29 Jan 1986 Caldwell County Annulled by groom's father (dude you owe your Dad big time!)
Since they were both under 18, they needed their parents' permission. They lied to Winkler's parents and told them he was the father of Amber. To prove it, they forged a copy of a blood test.

2. Joseph Proctor - married 5 sept 1987, divorced 1992
Douglas born a few months later
Brittany born a year later
Lived in Protor's Mother's house Levirtis White
April 1989 Levirtis asked a judge for a restraining order, claiming Elisa was stealing and destroying property in the home.  Elisa responded - "If I have to get out of here, I'll burn the house down. I'm going to kill this baby. I'm going to wreck this car. I'll kill those kids."
 

3. Andrew Harris Jr - married 7 Apr 1991 SC(per Ancestry.com) 17 Apr 1992 (per Harris) , Divorced 14 Dec 1995 Lenoir, NC
After a fight in early 1994, Harris left the house for a few days. When he returned, it was empty. No furniture, guns or fishing rods


4. Darrell Putnam - married 4 Feb 1995, Divorced 22 Nov 1999, Cleveland,NC
Putnam was 30 and had been deaf nearly his entire life
She told him about her girls, but lied and said 8-year-old Amber had cancer
Elisa's mother dies
One day after work, Putnam found her in bed with another man. He walked to his mother's house, and returned a few days later. Everything was gone, including his expensive hearing aids


5. Jeffrey Allred  - married 3 Oct 1997 - (Media reports Still legally married)
Spring of 1998 she took teh kids to Walmart, he packed and left.
He said she beat him with a baseball bat and threw rocks at him. He was so spooked that he never divorced her he was too afraid he might see her in court.
 

6. Aaron Young - married Aug 8 1998, divorced Aug 2009
Aaron Young, who met Elisa while she was married to Allred, picked up the pieces. It was the first time a woman had paid attention to him.
She was 30, he was 20 when they married
Aaron Young's mother spotted her kissing another man in a car in 2007, and her sixth marriage ended

7. Adam Baker - Married 8 July  2008
He was 33, she was 40 when they met
In Australia, Zahra's medical treatments were free. But Adam Baker told his friends and family Elisa Baker had money and would take care of the bills


With info from

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/03/AR2011020303595_5.html

According to this timeline, she's been a polygamist twice.  Putnam-Allred-Young, then Allred-Young-Baker.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Brandi on February 03, 2011, 04:18:55 PM
She was still married to Putnam when she married Allred and is still married to Allred as he is too scared to see her in court to get a divorce.  Depending on how the law looks at this, the Allred marriage never happened as she was still married to Putnam which then means that AY's marriage also never happened as she was still married to Putnam  (wonder if he can get a refund for the marriage cert and divorce?) but she is married to AB?

Anyone? 

Not legally, no.

Wasn't legally married to Aaron Young either.

..and a few others.
JMO.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Sister on February 03, 2011, 05:18:27 PM
She was still married to Putnam when she married Allred and is still married to Allred as he is too scared to see her in court to get a divorce.  Depending on how the law looks at this, the Allred marriage never happened as she was still married to Putnam which then means that AY's marriage also never happened as she was still married to Putnam  (wonder if he can get a refund for the marriage cert and divorce?) but she is married to AB?

Anyone? 

Not legally, no.

Wasn't legally married to Aaron Young either.

..and a few others.
JMO.
Lordy, this is one of those . . . do you walk to school or carry your lunch . . . kind of puzzlements.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 03, 2011, 08:21:12 PM
Zahra Baker's stepmom led a troubled life

http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Dismembered-NC-girls-stepmom-led-a-troubled-life-115204999.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 03, 2011, 08:23:08 PM
Autopsy not complete in Zahra Baker case

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/feb/03/autopsy-not-complete-zahra-baker-case-ar-752246/


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 03, 2011, 08:23:56 PM
Zahra memorial on Christie Road to become permanent

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/feb/03/zahra-memorial-christie-road-become-permanent-ar-752258/


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 03, 2011, 08:24:27 PM
Only objective in Zahra case: Justice

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/feb/03/only-objective-zahra-case-justice-ar-752231/


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on February 03, 2011, 08:39:43 PM
The latest news has reached our media :



    * By Tom Breen and Mitch Weiss in Gaffney, South Carolina
    * From: AP
    * February 04, 2011 10:03AM

    * Elisa Baker marriage history uncovered
    * Had multiple overlapping marriages
    * She was arrested after Zahra went missing

THE American stepmother of murdered Australian girl Zahra Baker was married seven times, and was wed to more than one man on several occasions, according to an Associated Press investigation.

Elisa Baker was indicted last month on a bigamy charge involving her marriage to Zahra's Australian father, Adam Baker, and another man, but an AP investigation has found that Elisa Baker had multiple overlapping marriages starting in the 1990s.

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http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/world/zahras-stepmum-married-seven-times/story-e6freoox-1226000066098


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on February 03, 2011, 08:45:40 PM
Missing headline from previous post :

Zahra's stepmum Elisa Baker was married seven times

This woman is poison.  I cannot believe so many men were dumb enough to be taken in by her antics.  Wonder if she introduced all her ex-and-pseudo-ex husbands as her brothers?

Loved this final sentence at the link :

snipped <

Adam Baker apparently was clueless that Elisa remained married when they wed in a July 2008 ceremony in Queensland.

snipped>

Clueless does not even begin to describe him.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/world/zahras-stepmum-married-seven-times/story-e6freoox-1226000066098


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: cookie on February 03, 2011, 09:16:27 PM
Missing headline from previous post :

Zahra's stepmum Elisa Baker was married seven times

This woman is poison.  I cannot believe so many men were dumb enough to be taken in by her antics.  Wonder if she introduced all her ex-and-pseudo-ex husbands as her brothers?

Loved this final sentence at the link :

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Adam Baker apparently was clueless that Elisa remained married when they wed in a July 2008 ceremony in Queensland.

snipped>

Clueless does not even begin to describe him.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/world/zahras-stepmum-married-seven-times/story-e6freoox-1226000066098

BBM::  I agree Tibs! how could so many men find her the least bit attractive to the point of marrying her???? I don't get it!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on February 03, 2011, 10:01:06 PM
Autopsy not complete in Zahra Baker case

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/feb/03/autopsy-not-complete-zahra-baker-case-ar-752246/
::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on February 03, 2011, 10:04:47 PM
Zahra memorial on Christie Road to become permanent

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/feb/03/zahra-memorial-christie-road-become-permanent-ar-752258/
:smt049 :smt049 :smt049


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on February 03, 2011, 10:12:42 PM
Only objective in Zahra case: Justice

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/feb/03/only-objective-zahra-case-justice-ar-752231/

Thank you NORTHERNfor your usual good work posting links.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on February 03, 2011, 11:55:00 PM
Geez ! I am so confused.
Rem. when we were younger in school and we learned easy ways to learn things, like the colors in a rainbow: ROY G BIV.
Ok: we NEED some kind of simple name or phrase so that I, for one can keep Elisa's marriages straight.

What a mess !

Any suggestions ?

Elisa is NO Elizabeth Taylor, or anyone close. I do not get it. What on earth do these men
see in her ? Did u cast a spell on them or something ? Is she really a witch incognito ? ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on February 03, 2011, 11:58:16 PM
Geez ! I am so confused.
Rem. when we were younger in school and we learned easy ways to learn things, like the colors in a rainbow: ROY G BIV.
Ok: we NEED some kind of simple name or phrase so that I, for one can keep Elisa's marriages straight.

What a mess !

Any suggestions ?

Elisa is NO Elizabeth Taylor, or anyone close. I do not get it. What on earth do these men
see in her ? Did u cast a spell on them or something ? Is she really a witch incognito ? ::MonkeyJnBox::

OT~ FYI I was MIA all evening, because my 13.5 year old Granddaughter came over and took down our 10'
Christmas tree. She was "emberassed" because I still lit it every am ! I hate to part with my tree. It is gone... ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on February 04, 2011, 12:07:16 AM
Geez ! I am so confused.
Rem. when we were younger in school and we learned easy ways to learn things, like the colors in a rainbow: ROY G BIV.
Ok: we NEED some kind of simple name or phrase so that I, for one can keep Elisa's marriages straight.

What a mess !

Any suggestions ?

Elisa is NO Elizabeth Taylor, or anyone close. I do not get it. What on earth do these men
see in her ? Did u cast a spell on them or something ? Is she really a witch incognito ? ::MonkeyJnBox::

I think Elisa is a full fledged witch right out in the open. The closest person I ever thought was a real witch is Spindy Anthony. But I think Elisa gets the gold black crown. As far as all the men in her life, she must give them a voodoo potion, that's all I can figure.

BTW, I saw your post about your Christmas tree. When we take ours down every year the living room always feels naked and sad.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on February 04, 2011, 12:52:14 AM
Geez ! I am so confused.
Rem. when we were younger in school and we learned easy ways to learn things, like the colors in a rainbow: ROY G BIV.
Ok: we NEED some kind of simple name or phrase so that I, for one can keep Elisa's marriages straight.

What a mess !

Any suggestions ?

Elisa is NO Elizabeth Taylor, or anyone close. I do not get it. What on earth do these men
see in her ? Did u cast a spell on them or something ? Is she really a witch incognito ? ::MonkeyJnBox::

I think Elisa is a full fledged witch right out in the open. The closest person I ever thought was a real witch is Spindy Anthony. But I think Elisa gets the gold black crown. As far as all the men in her life, she must give them a voodoo potion, that's all I can figure.

BTW, I saw your post about your Christmas tree. When we take ours down every year the living room always feels naked and sad.
Well it is now 12 51 am, and I am freezing.
Time to get under the covers and snuggle up to the 4 dogs.

Our gas bill was $287. for 30 days here in Ohio, so I put the thermostat on 66 and am frozen !
I am beginning to think it is not worth it.....I need to move south, out of this snow and ice.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Green Eyes on February 04, 2011, 12:56:58 AM
Autopsy not complete in Zahra Baker case

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/feb/03/autopsy-not-complete-zahra-baker-case-ar-752246/
::MonkeyNoNo::


I'll double that Fanny Mae ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Green Eyes on February 04, 2011, 12:59:58 AM
Zahra memorial on Christie Road to become permanent

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/feb/03/zahra-memorial-christie-road-become-permanent-ar-752258/

Mr. & Mrs. Icenhour are angels here on earth.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Green Eyes on February 04, 2011, 01:21:05 AM
Only objective in Zahra case: Justice

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/feb/03/only-objective-zahra-case-justice-ar-752231/

Thank you Northern Rose. After reading the comment at the bottom it makes one wonder what's going on. I pray for justice for Zahra.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Curly on February 04, 2011, 02:56:45 AM
Autopsy not complete in Zahra Baker case

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/feb/03/autopsy-not-complete-zahra-baker-case-ar-752246/
::MonkeyNoNo::
Edit to add quote bracket/fix quotes.  MB

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This is what I think of all this.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on February 04, 2011, 05:29:28 AM
Zahra Baker's stepmother was married seven times: report

February 4, 2011 - 11:04AM

< snipped

The question of bigamy is unrelated to Zahra's case, but if Mrs Baker is convicted of bigamy, it would nullify her marriage to Mr Baker - meaning he could be compelled to testify against her in court because North Carolina's marital privilege law would not apply.

No one has been charged in the death of Wagga Wagga-born Zahra but Mrs Baker has been locked up in a North Carolina jail since Zahra was reported missing from the family home in Hickory, North Carolina.

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http://www.theage.com.au/world/zahra-bakers-stepmother-was-married-seven-times-report-20110204-1afx7.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on February 04, 2011, 05:35:05 AM
Dismembered NC girl's stepmom led a troubled life

Posted: Feb 04, 2011 5:30 AM TDT Updated: Feb 04, 2011 9:10 AM TDT

By MITCH WEISS and TOM BREEN
Associated Press

HICKORY, N.C. (AP) - Elisa Baker had an uncanny ability to stay ahead of bill collectors, police, social workers and her multiple husbands, The Associated Press discovered in an investigation of the woman who led authorities to the dismembered remains of her disabled, 10-year-old stepdaughter.

Few saw her pattern because when she abandoned a relationship, she usually severed all ties. In seven years, she had no fewer than 42 different addresses. During a different three-year stretch, she was married to three men at the same time.

In interviews with three dozen people, and a review of hundreds of court and police documents, AP unraveled a life of deception described by friends, family and the vulnerable men she wed, including some with disabilities. At times, they said, she was physically abusive.

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http://www.valleynewslive.com/Global/story.asp?S=13964441

Putting these links here in case one or more links go poof!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Sister on February 04, 2011, 09:25:00 AM
Geez ! I am so confused.
Rem. when we were younger in school and we learned easy ways to learn things, like the colors in a rainbow: ROY G BIV.
Ok: we NEED some kind of simple name or phrase so that I, for one can keep Elisa's marriages straight.

What a mess !

Any suggestions ?

Elisa is NO Elizabeth Taylor, or anyone close. I do not get it. What on earth do these men
see in her ? Did u cast a spell on them or something ? Is she really a witch incognito ? ::MonkeyJnBox::
Loneliness causes people to do (in this case marry) some crazy things.  I've seen it over and over.  Then some of the lonely people realize being lonely wasn't so bad after all.
o/t Princess, I read somewhere that it is only when you set the gauge above 68 that it really adversely effects your bill.  I hope those extra 2 degrees would help, they did me, plus I have my humidifer running.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: melisb on February 04, 2011, 09:51:01 AM
I mean no harm when I say, have you seen the men that did marry her?  Looks are not important by any means but these men prolly posted on web sites stating exactly what they wanted and she no doubt picked out the most needy, easy to manipulate targets.  The first one may have been for love or to get out of home/bad situation but I think for the most part she picked gullible/dumb(sorry) guys who she used to get what she neede from them and threw them away and moved on!  To me, she is nothing but a waste of human flesh. 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on February 04, 2011, 09:59:53 AM
Geez ! I am so confused.
Rem. when we were younger in school and we learned easy ways to learn things, like the colors in a rainbow: ROY G BIV.
Ok: we NEED some kind of simple name or phrase so that I, for one can keep Elisa's marriages straight.

What a mess !

Any suggestions ?

Elisa is NO Elizabeth Taylor, or anyone close. I do not get it. What on earth do these men
see in her ? Did u cast a spell on them or something ? Is she really a witch incognito ? ::MonkeyJnBox::

I think Elisa is a full fledged witch right out in the open. The closest person I ever thought was a real witch is Spindy Anthony. But I think Elisa gets the gold black crown. As far as all the men in her life, she must give them a voodoo potion, that's all I can figure.

BTW, I saw your post about your Christmas tree. When we take ours down every year the living room always feels naked and sad.
Well it is now 12 51 am, and I am freezing.
Time to get under the covers and snuggle up to the 4 dogs.

Our gas bill was $287. for 30 days here in Ohio, so I put the thermostat on 66 and am frozen !
I am beginning to think it is not worth it.....I need to move south, out of this snow and ice.

Silly us! We moved from down south to Ohio. It was for family reasons, though. I have been colder this year than I have ever been since moving here. Our house is well insulated and we have a fireplace. I am generally hot natured, and my hubby is the hot blooded Latin type, but we are both bundled up like we are going outside, knit caps included. My son joked someone was going to turn him in for elderly abuse if they ever come to the door and see us. Our thermostat is up higher than 70 degrees, I can guarantee you. We are usually toasty warm, and have been here for almost eight years. I am tired of wearing three plus layers of clothes. At least spring is not far off, by not near enough either.

At least we are still here and Zahra is not. Somehow that seems all backwards.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on February 04, 2011, 10:02:02 AM
I mean no harm when I say, have you seen the men that did marry her?  Looks are not important by any means but these men prolly posted on web sites stating exactly what they wanted and she no doubt picked out the most needy, easy to manipulate targets.  The first one may have been for love or to get out of home/bad situation but I think for the most part she picked gullible/dumb(sorry) guys who she used to get what she neede from them and threw them away and moved on!  To me, she is nothing but a waste of human flesh. 

Ain't that the truth! I said one time if they had a husband-in-law reunion, they wouldn't make one good brain if they put them all together.  ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on February 04, 2011, 10:41:01 AM
Only objective in Zahra case: Justice

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/feb/03/only-objective-zahra-case-justice-ar-752231/

Thank you Northern Rose. After reading the comment at the bottom it makes one wonder what's going on. I pray for justice for Zahra.  ::MonkeyAngel::

I hate to even go here, but here goes. In truth the judicial system is a business. A very lucrative business. And not a very frugal business, no matter how much they complain about money. I'm not saying there are not people who work in the system who are honest and truthfully want to see victims get some kind of justice. The DA's in Caylee's case come to mind. But for the majority it is a job they want to make as much money as they can, I guess like everybody else.

We have seen reams and reams of paper work in all these cases. Where do they come from? From some antiquated laws and some newer laws ( enacted by lawyers I have to say in state and national legislations) and just to pump out all these papers in duplicate, triplicate, keep lots of clerks and secretary's very busy.Lots of money too.  Every one has to watch ever period and spelling because if not, a case can be thrown out by a law, you guessed it, drawn up by a lawyer somewhere or another.

Then there is the motions, the depos, the court clerks, the security, the electronic equipment, the court clerk, the checking and rechecking. This is not even counting the lawyer fees, the court costs, the judges salary. There are periphery businesses that sell computers, copying machines, sound equipment, you name it they sell it.

It is to most everyone in the judicial business to draw these things out as much as they can  'cause the money is there, so lets go get it!
I am not as eloquent as I would like to be, but I guess you get the gist of what I am trying to say. I am not trying to make anyone who works in the judicial system mad, as I know what I am saying is not true in every case.

One only has to go to a courthouse, and see just how fast anything goes just to get a simple document of some kind. Everything is at half speed unless it is a lawyer late for court and there  is a punctual judge. There is not a good reason for forensics and DNA test and rape kits to take so long. But we hear the old excuse it takes a while (six months or more! Some never! Give me a break!) But we just wait and wait, because there is nothing we can do. It is maddening and unnecessary for a case to go on for so long the witnesses die off and only the family of the victim can even remember the incident anymore.

I realize it takes a while for investigations to go on. But there comes a time when most of what is there is squeezed out of it. This will go one as long and the public demands that these cases are attended to in the most expedient way possible. It's always the defendants rights. No, it's the victims rights. When this took the big flip-flop around, I can't remember.. It has been a gradual thing and now we just have to sit back and take it, and see Casey Anthony languish in jail and right now just Elisa much less fancy-free Adam goes unarrested. It will be almost three years since Casey killed her own daughter before her trial. Her trial will be a painful, dull, slow trial, and enough money made off the principals to fill the Grand Canyon.

Whatever you think of what I have said, just remember, the wheels of justice move slow, and they are greased with lots of that green stuff, so there is no need to get in any kind of efficiency to make them go.  JMO


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 04, 2011, 11:27:03 AM
Zahra's stepmother 'hurt a lot of people' before wedding No.7

http://www.smh.com.au/world/zahras-stepmother-hurt-a-lot-of-people-before-wedding-no7-20110204-1agut.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 04, 2011, 11:30:21 AM
'Life of lies' revealed Zahra Baker's stepmother had multiple husbands, lived in 42 houses

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 04, 2011, 11:33:08 AM
AP Exclusive: Zahra stepmom's marriages overlapped

http://www.wral.com/news/national_world/national/story/9051067/


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 04, 2011, 11:34:14 AM
Marriage addiction - Bizarre twist in Zahra Baker case

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/marriage-addiction-bizarre-twist-in-zahra-baker-case/story-e6freuzr-1226000469636?from=public_rss


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: cookie on February 04, 2011, 11:46:11 AM
geez! it costs money to move..how the heck did she afford to move that many times??
and what an unstable lifestyle for her own children...
 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on February 04, 2011, 12:23:31 PM
geez! it costs money to move..how the heck did she afford to move that many times??
and what an unstable lifestyle for her own children...
 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

I agree it is expensive to "gypsy" around !
Moving around like she and other do is so unstable for the kiddos.

When u rent, there is always a 1st and last months rent deposit, right ?
Your mal would eventually get confused at the USPS, I would assume. Who could keep
the life of a gypsy straight ?

Personally, we bought this house when our "baby" was 1,  and he is now 30, and we are STILL here.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Brandi on February 04, 2011, 12:26:46 PM
geez! it costs money to move..how the heck did she afford to move that many times??
and what an unstable lifestyle for her own children...
 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Um ... don't pay your rent on the house/apartment/trailer for months, leave most stuff behind, use a new name, move into new place, call a different rental furniture place, and voilá, you are moved.

Move in with family until they kick you out.

Repeat over and over.

She's a real piece of work.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on February 04, 2011, 12:37:53 PM
OMG FANNY MAE ! OHIO ?????

Me too !
Where r u in Ohio ?

R we neighbors ?
I am 50 mi. west of Erie, Pa., and 40 mi. east of Cleveland, in a small town, right
on  Lake Erie.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 04, 2011, 01:31:56 PM
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_CQELUnCfhO0/TNhcUFmo8AI/AAAAAAAABNM/pqzWX-hdrNM/s320/Zahra%2BBaker%2BMySpace%2B2%5B1%5D.jpg)


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Wildingheart on February 04, 2011, 02:26:21 PM
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_CQELUnCfhO0/TNhcUFmo8AI/AAAAAAAABNM/pqzWX-hdrNM/s320/Zahra%2BBaker%2BMySpace%2B2%5B1%5D.jpg)
There's that sweet girl.

I so wish something would happen to hasten some semblance of justice for Zahra. It's overwhelmingly heartbreaking to know how she suffered in life and then again in death. And that she was found in pieces...

May God bless the next chapter in that precious soul's journey.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on February 04, 2011, 02:56:23 PM
OMG FANNY MAE ! OHIO ?????

Me too !
Where r u in Ohio ?

R we neighbors ?
I am 50 mi. west of Erie, Pa., and 40 mi. east of Cleveland, in a small town, right
on  Lake Erie.

Go to musings.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 04, 2011, 03:13:50 PM
OMG FANNY MAE ! OHIO ?????

Me too !
Where r u in Ohio ?

R we neighbors ?
I am 50 mi. west of Erie, Pa., and 40 mi. east of Cleveland, in a small town, right
on  Lake Erie.

Go to musings.


Thank you for suggesting having the Buckeye meeting in Musings, Fanny Mae.   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Brandi on February 04, 2011, 03:36:16 PM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/ZahraClareBaker/Image1-3.png)

Story and image here: http://www.goupstate.com/article/20110204/wire/110209815


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 04, 2011, 03:41:17 PM
Update: Elisa Baker was abusive in relationships with children, husbands
She was married in Gaffney, SC multiple times beginning in 1987

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/feb/03/report-elisa-baker-was-married-seven-times-ar-751051/


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Curly on February 04, 2011, 04:31:56 PM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/ZahraClareBaker/Image1-3.png)

Story and image here: http://www.goupstate.com/article/20110204/wire/110209815

O
M
G


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Green Eyes on February 04, 2011, 04:34:53 PM
Only objective in Zahra case: Justice

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/feb/03/only-objective-zahra-case-justice-ar-752231/

Thank you Northern Rose. After reading the comment at the bottom it makes one wonder what's going on. I pray for justice for Zahra.  ::MonkeyAngel::

I hate to even go here, but here goes. In truth the judicial system is a business. A very lucrative business. And not a very frugal business, no matter how much they complain about money. I'm not saying there are not people who work in the system who are honest and truthfully want to see victims get some kind of justice. The DA's in Caylee's case come to mind. But for the majority it is a job they want to make as much money as they can, I guess like everybody else.

Whatever you think of what I have said, just remember, the wheels of justice move slow, and they are greased with lots of that green stuff, so there is no need to get in any kind of efficiency to make them go.  JMO

Fanny Mae what you say is true everything in today's world is all about making money. It's sad the our Justice systems has gone this way also.  It seems the more publicity a case gets the slower they move yes it's money and trying to make themselves look good along with not wanting to get ridiculed for not doing a good enough job. They will be Justice for sweet Zahra. In one form or another. I pray its sooner than later but it will happen. Like sister sad maybe not on our time line but it will happen.

I would love to see both step mom and dad fry. No one will ever convince me that dad didn't know what was going on. After reading about her abusive behavior for all those years. You know she was that way with Zahra too!  The dip knew and did nothing. 


Justice will be had for Zahra. ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on February 04, 2011, 04:34:56 PM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/ZahraClareBaker/Image1-3.png)

Story and image here: http://www.goupstate.com/article/20110204/wire/110209815

I'm speechless!           (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/paranoid.gif)


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on February 04, 2011, 04:36:30 PM
OMG FANNY MAE ! OHIO ?????

Me too !
Where r u in Ohio ?

R we neighbors ?
I am 50 mi. west of Erie, Pa., and 40 mi. east of Cleveland, in a small town, right
on  Lake Erie.

Go to musings.


Thank you for suggesting having the Buckeye meeting in Musings, Fanny Mae.   ::MonkeyKiss::

Muffeybee and Fanny Mae~

Thank u both for directing me to Monkey Musings.
I did not know it was there ! We used to have PM's, but not now.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on February 04, 2011, 04:46:09 PM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/ZahraClareBaker/Image1-3.png)

Story and image here: http://www.goupstate.com/article/20110204/wire/110209815

I'm speechless!           (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/paranoid.gif)

What a babe ! NOT !!!!
Thnx 2 everyone for posting ths picture.
I am gong to print it and save it for rodent control if needed in the spring !  ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 04, 2011, 06:18:54 PM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/ZahraClareBaker/Image1-3.png)

Story and image here: http://www.goupstate.com/article/20110204/wire/110209815

O
M
G

DITTO


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: pfaubush on February 04, 2011, 06:31:22 PM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/ZahraClareBaker/Image1-3.png)

Story and image here: http://www.goupstate.com/article/20110204/wire/110209815

Holy mother of God! I'm having HeeHaw flashbacks!  ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Nana29 on February 04, 2011, 07:05:59 PM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/ZahraClareBaker/Image1-3.png)

Story and image here: http://www.goupstate.com/article/20110204/wire/110209815

I'm speechless!           (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/paranoid.gif)


I am ill...


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Nana29 on February 04, 2011, 07:14:42 PM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/ZahraClareBaker/Image1-3.png)

Story and image here: http://www.goupstate.com/article/20110204/wire/110209815

Holy mother of God! I'm having HeeHaw flashbacks!  ::CowboySmiley::


Don't let any of your sleepover kids see this!         ::MonkeyShocked::      Way too scary!   


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Curly on February 04, 2011, 07:32:25 PM
Pfaubush~ Your Heehaw flashback comment made me laugh so loud I woke up the cat.

7 men married that. I don't get it.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: yuknomenot on February 04, 2011, 07:39:59 PM
These men had to be "prey" of sorts for her.  IMO, they are very lucky to still be alive.  Zahra must not have been so easy for her to manipulate as they were/are  ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on February 04, 2011, 08:18:06 PM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/ZahraClareBaker/Image1-3.png)

Story and image here: http://www.goupstate.com/article/20110204/wire/110209815

Holy mother of God! I'm having HeeHaw flashbacks!  ::CowboySmiley::
::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on February 04, 2011, 08:20:44 PM
Pfaubush~ Your Heehaw flashback comment made me laugh so loud I woke up the cat.

7 men married that. I don't get it.

Me too CURLY. I wonder how many wedding dresses she had, or did she just rotate them through Goodwill. OMG!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: pfaubush on February 04, 2011, 08:29:49 PM
Pfaubush~ Your Heehaw flashback comment made me laugh so loud I woke up the cat.

7 men married that. I don't get it.

Me too CURLY. I wonder how many wedding dresses she had, or did she just rotate them through Goodwill. OMG!

You did notice the guy in the photo is PINNED DOWN???

And NO JOKE nana!!!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Cappuccino on February 04, 2011, 08:39:28 PM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/ZahraClareBaker/Image1-3.png)

Story and image here: http://www.goupstate.com/article/20110204/wire/110209815

Holy mother of God! I'm having HeeHaw flashbacks!  ::CowboySmiley::

My eyes!  Is that a dress or the wedding tent? 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Curly on February 04, 2011, 08:51:00 PM
Good one, Capp.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on February 04, 2011, 08:53:33 PM
Maybe Adam really is as dumb as he looks.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: starwynn on February 04, 2011, 09:08:18 PM
Maybe Adam really is as dumb as he looks.  ::MonkeyCool::

To give AB some credit (and then I'm going to go barf profusely heheh), she is good at what she does.  (yack yack YACK).  Phew, I feel better now.

I believe he is absolutely as dumb as he looks.  I think he's ok with that.  He seems comfortable in the role of HeWhoClingsToCoattails (my new nickname for him).  I don't blame him for that - he got what he asked for in his relationship (and I am not in any way referring to what happened to Zahra, only to his relationship with the StepMonster).  My ex was like that.  He would be the first to tell you that he had no self-motivation and wanted to be told what to do at all times (which is why he's my ex - in part).  But some people want and seek people like that; she apparently is one of them.

If he could have done all that and not had a kid, hey - kudos.  Needy and Needed might have lived unhappily ever after til she found her next prey (in London, apparently). 

But there was Zahra, and we all feel the same about that don't we?   Ugh! 

You know, FannyMae, when I see this picture, I see "smug".  I don't see joy. Do you see that, too, or is it just me?  I see a crooked mirthful smirk.  And a hapless fool.  If I can stomach it, I might go back and look at AB/EB's wedding pic.

I'm glad you're posting.  I always look forward to your posts.  :)


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Nana29 on February 04, 2011, 09:50:24 PM
Maybe Adam really is as dumb as he looks.  ::MonkeyCool::

To give AB some credit (and then I'm going to go barf profusely heheh), she is good at what she does.  (yack yack YACK).  Phew, I feel better now.

I believe he is absolutely as dumb as he looks.  I think he's ok with that.  He seems comfortable in the role of HeWhoClingsToCoattails (my new nickname for him).  I don't blame him for that - he got what he asked for in his relationship (and I am not in any way referring to what happened to Zahra, only to his relationship with the StepMonster).  My ex was like that.  He would be the first to tell you that he had no self-motivation and wanted to be told what to do at all times (which is why he's my ex - in part).  But some people want and seek people like that; she apparently is one of them.

If he could have done all that and not had a kid, hey - kudos.  Needy and Needed might have lived unhappily ever after til she found her next prey (in London, apparently). 

But there was Zahra, and we all feel the same about that don't we?   Ugh! 

You know, FannyMae, when I see this picture, I see "smug".  I don't see joy. Do you see that, too, or is it just me?  I see a crooked mirthful smirk.  And a hapless fool.  If I can stomach it, I might go back and look at AB/EB's wedding pic.

I'm glad you're posting.  I always look forward to your posts.  :)



BBM    ::rhino::
I am glad you are here too FannyMae.



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on February 04, 2011, 10:02:34 PM
Maybe Adam really is as dumb as he looks.  ::MonkeyCool::

To give AB some credit (and then I'm going to go barf profusely heheh), she is good at what she does.  (yack yack YACK).  Phew, I feel better now.

I believe he is absolutely as dumb as he looks.  I think he's ok with that.  He seems comfortable in the role of HeWhoClingsToCoattails (my new nickname for him).  I don't blame him for that - he got what he asked for in his relationship (and I am not in any way referring to what happened to Zahra, only to his relationship with the StepMonster).  My ex was like that.  He would be the first to tell you that he had no self-motivation and wanted to be told what to do at all times (which is why he's my ex - in part).  But some people want and seek people like that; she apparently is one of them.

If he could have done all that and not had a kid, hey - kudos.  Needy and Needed might have lived unhappily ever after til she found her next prey (in London, apparently). 

But there was Zahra, and we all feel the same about that don't we?   Ugh! 

You know, FannyMae, when I see this picture, I see "smug".  I don't see joy. Do you see that, too, or is it just me?  I see a crooked mirthful smirk.  And a hapless fool.  If I can stomach it, I might go back and look at AB/EB's wedding pic.

I'm glad you're posting.  I always look forward to your posts.  :)



BBM    ::rhino::
I am glad you are here too FannyMae.



Thanks guys. It means more to me than you can ever know.  :smt049 :smt049 :smt049


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on February 05, 2011, 05:10:47 AM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/ZahraClareBaker/Image1-3.png)

Story and image here: http://www.goupstate.com/article/20110204/wire/110209815


Somebody please tell me this picture was taken at Halloween.     ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Nana29 on February 05, 2011, 05:19:01 AM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/ZahraClareBaker/Image1-3.png)

Story and image here: http://www.goupstate.com/article/20110204/wire/110209815


Somebody please tell me this picture was taken at Halloween.     ::MonkeyNoNo::


I would tell you if you want, but it would probably be a lie. How pathetic, eh?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Wildingheart on February 05, 2011, 09:26:02 AM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/ZahraClareBaker/Image1-3.png)

Story and image here: http://www.goupstate.com/article/20110204/wire/110209815


Somebody please tell me this picture was taken at Halloween.     ::MonkeyNoNo::
Every day is Halloween for that hag! Maybe it was her wedding night? *shiver*


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Samarie on February 05, 2011, 11:12:58 AM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/ZahraClareBaker/Image1-3.png)

Story and image here: http://www.goupstate.com/article/20110204/wire/110209815

Holy mother of God! I'm having HeeHaw flashbacks!  ::CowboySmiley::

Elisa definitely wasn't the "pick of the litter" YIKES ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: cadillac on February 05, 2011, 11:45:52 AM
Sorry if this has been asked before - after reading the article on her SEVEN husbands, are all of her other children accountd for?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on February 05, 2011, 02:03:36 PM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/ZahraClareBaker/Image1-3.png)

Story and image here: http://www.goupstate.com/article/20110204/wire/110209815

Holy mother of God! I'm having HeeHaw flashbacks!  ::CowboySmiley::

 ::MonkeyDevil::  ::MonkeyDevil:: I'm glad I didn't look at that last night! I would have had nightmares!  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 05, 2011, 10:36:10 PM
Someone sent me that pix a few days ago when the article was published.
I think the groom is Proctor ? Whatever prey that is, he looks happy or drunk.
Guess he didn't have a lick of sense. She was fairly young in that pix, if I count backwards, she must have been about twenty something.
She didn't look much better in the wedding one to AB.



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: pfaubush on February 05, 2011, 10:46:08 PM
Someone sent me that pix a few days ago when the article was published.
I think the groom is Proctor ? Whatever prey that is, he looks happy or drunk.
Guess he didn't have a lick of sense. She was fairly young in that pix, if I count backwards, she must have been about twenty something.
She didn't look much better in the wedding one to AB.



Yep. According to my math she would have been 25 in that pic. She married Putman (the guy she's got pinned to the chair in the photo) in Feb. 1995. He looks drunk and she looks...um, she looks...um, yeah...I think he's drunk!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 05, 2011, 10:48:10 PM
 I kept wondering who Elisa Baker reminded me of in the picture Brandi posted and it finally came to me.  If Elisa Baker wore more makeup (particularly turquoise eye shadow), she would look a lot like Mimi Bombeck from the Drew Carey Show. 

(http://www.grammardivas.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/mimi-bobeck.jpeg)

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/ZahraClareBaker/Image1-3.png)

Story and image here: http://www.goupstate.com/article/20110204/wire/110209815


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Curly on February 05, 2011, 10:52:41 PM
Lol, you're right, Muffy.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Brandi on February 06, 2011, 12:06:20 AM
Lol, you're right, Muffy.

Oh wow. She sure does look like Mimi Bombeck, Muffy!

Wow.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on February 06, 2011, 12:17:23 AM
I kept wondering who Elisa Baker reminded me of in the picture Brandi posted and it finally came to me.  If Elisa Baker wore more makeup (particularly turquoise eye shadow), she would look a lot like Mimi Bombeck from the Drew Carey Show. 

(http://www.grammardivas.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/mimi-bobeck.jpeg)

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/ZahraClareBaker/Image1-3.png)

Story and image here: http://www.goupstate.com/article/20110204/wire/110209815


And I used to love Mimi Bombeck!!!! Now it's all ruined form me.  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on February 06, 2011, 12:20:24 AM
Someone sent me that pix a few days ago when the article was published.
I think the groom is Proctor ? Whatever prey that is, he looks happy or drunk.
Guess he didn't have a lick of sense. She was fairly young in that pix, if I count backwards, she must have been about twenty something.
She didn't look much better in the wedding one to AB.



If I had been that poor sap I would have just listened my first instinct and run like he77!!!! (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/smiley-run-for-the-hills.gif)(http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/smiley-run-for-the-hills.gif)(http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/smiley-run-for-the-hills.gif)


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Nana29 on February 06, 2011, 01:24:16 AM
Someone sent me that pix a few days ago when the article was published.
I think the groom is Proctor ? Whatever prey that is, he looks happy or drunk.
Guess he didn't have a lick of sense. She was fairly young in that pix, if I count backwards, she must have been about twenty something.
She didn't look much better in the wedding one to AB.



If I had been that poor sap I would have just listened my first instinct and run like he77!!!! (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/smiley-run-for-the-hills.gif)(http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/smiley-run-for-the-hills.gif)(http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/smiley-run-for-the-hills.gif)


I would imagine after that picture he probably couldn't move his legs TO run    ::MonkeyDevil::   ...not to mention compressed lungs, gotta be able to breathe to run...just sayin'...      ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: TnMuse on February 06, 2011, 03:03:48 AM
I kept wondering who Elisa Baker reminded me of in the picture Brandi posted and it finally came to me.  If Elisa Baker wore more makeup (particularly turquoise eye shadow), she would look a lot like Mimi Bombeck from the Drew Carey Show. 

Oh Man!  That was a good laugh, Muffy!  She REALLY looks like Mimi Bombeck in that photo.   It is so hard to understand how a person can be so evil, especially to a child.  A laugh like the one you gave us sure helps!  Thanks Muffy!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 06, 2011, 01:24:03 PM
Sometimes it is good to laff. Curly said he laffed so hard, he woke up the cat. I read that, then I laffed, and my kats came over here. Guess kats were awakened all over monkey land.
Across borders, even.

Have a good Superbowl Sunday.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on February 06, 2011, 01:59:08 PM
Sometimes it is good to laff. Curly said he laffed so hard, he woke up the cat. I read that, then I laffed, and my kats came over here. Guess kats were awakened all over monkey land.
Across borders, even.

Have a good Superbowl Sunday.

My four cats did the same, and my hubby and son came in here to see what was the matter.   ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::
YOU HAVE A HAPPY SUPERBOWL SUNDAY TOO!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on February 07, 2011, 02:14:53 AM
Little Zahra, you will never leave me. Your murder was one of the most  heartrending I think I have ever heard. I promise I will keep you in my heart forever,and will do my best  to keep up with what is going on with the awful people that did this to you. I pray for you every night and I always will until there is no breath in my body. Bless you little girl.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: starwynn on February 08, 2011, 02:22:21 AM
Little Zahra, you will never leave me. Your murder was one of the most  heartrending I think I have ever heard. I promise I will keep you in my heart forever,and will do my best  to keep up with what is going on with the awful people that did this to you. I pray for you every night and I always will until there is no breath in my body. Bless you little girl.  ::MonkeyAngel::

Here here. 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: AmandaReckonwith on February 08, 2011, 10:10:25 PM
Northern Rose, I did a copy/paste of your post above for the warrants, added to the SW album, hope you don't mind.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: ISpy on February 09, 2011, 02:13:57 AM
I was catching up here and saw the post with the Cranky Crankerson photobucket link.  I've kept up with this case, but admittedly, I purposely kept my distance somewhat.  Looking at all 48 albums in the Zahra Baker photobucket though, I had to post.  As if all Zahra went through wasn't enough....I am beyond angry!  This is probably old news to most of you, but it appears that Adam and Elise never got Zahra a new prosthetic.  Judging by her preschool pics, compared to pics on Pg.41, her prosthetic appears to be the same one.  That would explain the odd right leg bent, left hip awkwardly forward pose she has in full body pictures.  Page 47 on Cranky Crankerson's photobucket shows a pic of Zahra walking back from the mailbox.  Her back is thrown way back and her gait is definitely awkard (at best).  There's a great shot of her sitting on the ground.  You can clearly see the disparity in leg size, how much smaller the prosthetic is than her "stump", and the prosthetic itself.  Having known someone who lost his leg in a farming accident, that prosthetic looks waaaay too small to comfortably support Zahra's weight (standing, walking, running, or otherwise).  It would be like an adult holding your ankle up behind you, strapping your knee onto the handle end of a baseball bat and trying to walk (or run or play).  I am so angry! There seemed to be no shortage of money in that house for an internet connection,hair coloring, hair dye, or an excess of food (as evidenced by Adam's weight and Elise's).  Obviously, Zahra qualified for free hearing aids.  You can't tell me someone wouldn't have donated a prosthetic or paid for a prosthetic for this child, under some program.

I am so angry at the number of children going missing every week, some not "missing' at all!  I know I'm preaching to the choir here and all up on my soap box. I also know I'm in good company.  Since when are children disposable???  I feel for those parents whose children are actually missing. I used to wonder why those who kill their children didn't just give them away/put them up for adoption/abandon them in a mall or parking lot (instead of killing them).  Then I realized it's all about them.  They have a "What can this kid do for me/get me?", until that child outlives their "usefulness".  All I can say, and this is a requests, "God, help us.".


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Sister on February 09, 2011, 05:52:08 AM
I was catching up here and saw the post with the Cranky Crankerson photobucket link.  I've kept up with this case, but admittedly, I purposely kept my distance somewhat.  Looking at all 48 albums in the Zahra Baker photobucket though, I had to post.  As if all Zahra went through wasn't enough....I am beyond angry!  This is probably old news to most of you, but it appears that Adam and Elise never got Zahra a new prosthetic.  Judging by her preschool pics, compared to pics on Pg.41, her prosthetic appears to be the same one.  That would explain the odd right leg bent, left hip awkwardly forward pose she has in full body pictures.  Page 47 on Cranky Crankerson's photobucket shows a pic of Zahra walking back from the mailbox.  Her back is thrown way back and her gait is definitely awkard (at best).  There's a great shot of her sitting on the ground.  You can clearly see the disparity in leg size, how much smaller the prosthetic is than her "stump", and the prosthetic itself.  Having known someone who lost his leg in a farming accident, that prosthetic looks waaaay too small to comfortably support Zahra's weight (standing, walking, running, or otherwise).  It would be like an adult holding your ankle up behind you, strapping your knee onto the handle end of a baseball bat and trying to walk (or run or play).  I am so angry! There seemed to be no shortage of money in that house for an internet connection,hair coloring, hair dye, or an excess of food (as evidenced by Adam's weight and Elise's).  Obviously, Zahra qualified for free hearing aids.  You can't tell me someone wouldn't have donated a prosthetic or paid for a prosthetic for this child, under some program.

I am so angry at the number of children going missing every week, some not "missing' at all!  I know I'm preaching to the choir here and all up on my soap box. I also know I'm in good company.  Since when are children disposable???  I feel for those parents whose children are actually missing. I used to wonder why those who kill their children didn't just give them away/put them up for adoption/abandon them in a mall or parking lot (instead of killing them).  Then I realized it's all about them.  They have a "What can this kid do for me/get me?", until that child outlives their "usefulness".  All I can say, and this is a requests, "God, help us.".
Well said, ISpy, well said.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: AmandaReckonwith on February 09, 2011, 02:49:33 PM
I agree, ISpy, there was no reason other than cruelty by Adam and Elisa.


On another tangent, picture-wise... I am looking for pics of the first 2 husbands.
We have 5 of them pictured and I am wondering if I missed the other 2?

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Zahra%20Baker%20%20-NC-/?action=view&current=ElisaBakerMarriageTrail-1.jpg


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: starwynn on February 09, 2011, 04:45:15 PM
I was catching up here and saw the post with the Cranky Crankerson photobucket link.  I've kept up with this case, but admittedly, I purposely kept my distance somewhat.  Looking at all 48 albums in the Zahra Baker photobucket though, I had to post.  As if all Zahra went through wasn't enough....I am beyond angry!  This is probably old news to most of you, but it appears that Adam and Elise never got Zahra a new prosthetic.  Judging by her preschool pics, compared to pics on Pg.41, her prosthetic appears to be the same one.  That would explain the odd right leg bent, left hip awkwardly forward pose she has in full body pictures.  Page 47 on Cranky Crankerson's photobucket shows a pic of Zahra walking back from the mailbox.  Her back is thrown way back and her gait is definitely awkard (at best).  There's a great shot of her sitting on the ground.  You can clearly see the disparity in leg size, how much smaller the prosthetic is than her "stump", and the prosthetic itself.  Having known someone who lost his leg in a farming accident, that prosthetic looks waaaay too small to comfortably support Zahra's weight (standing, walking, running, or otherwise).  It would be like an adult holding your ankle up behind you, strapping your knee onto the handle end of a baseball bat and trying to walk (or run or play).  I am so angry! There seemed to be no shortage of money in that house for an internet connection,hair coloring, hair dye, or an excess of food (as evidenced by Adam's weight and Elise's).  Obviously, Zahra qualified for free hearing aids.  You can't tell me someone wouldn't have donated a prosthetic or paid for a prosthetic for this child, under some program.

I am so angry at the number of children going missing every week, some not "missing' at all!  I know I'm preaching to the choir here and all up on my soap box. I also know I'm in good company.  Since when are children disposable???  I feel for those parents whose children are actually missing. I used to wonder why those who kill their children didn't just give them away/put them up for adoption/abandon them in a mall or parking lot (instead of killing them).  Then I realized it's all about them.  They have a "What can this kid do for me/get me?", until that child outlives their "usefulness".  All I can say, and this is a requests, "God, help us.".

I feel exactly the same way and had really worried over that prosthesis.  Even if it were the right size, you would think that the pads and whatnot would need adjusting, or at least checking.  But there's no way she was the same height as when she came over.  Even if they did stunt her growth by not feeding her.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on February 09, 2011, 09:12:03 PM
My prayers lift up to the heavens, in your memory, sweet girl.
I am asking many favors that the Lord will give the LE,
and people involved, a conscience, and the WISDOM  to seek out the truth
in your tragic, young death.



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Brandi on February 10, 2011, 09:43:04 PM

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/ZahraClareBaker/zb2.png)



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on February 11, 2011, 12:04:17 AM
Brandi~

The picture of Z is beautiful.
You did a wonderful job.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: starwynn on February 11, 2011, 02:31:59 AM

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/ZahraClareBaker/zb2.png)



That's WAY prettier than the images we had to look at on the previous page.  Pretty Zahra!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Shell on February 11, 2011, 06:14:47 AM
I kept wondering who Elisa Baker reminded me of in the picture Brandi posted and it finally came to me.  If Elisa Baker wore more makeup (particularly turquoise eye shadow), she would look a lot like Mimi Bombeck from the Drew Carey Show. 

(http://www.grammardivas.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/mimi-bobeck.jpeg)

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/ZahraClareBaker/Image1-3.png)

Story and image here: http://www.goupstate.com/article/20110204/wire/110209815

That woman makes Mimi look like Twiggy ::MonkeyJnBox::

The resemblance (especially the hair "do") is astonishing. Muffy, you are so dang funny!!!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Shell on February 11, 2011, 06:43:25 AM

 ::MonkeyTears:: I have no words to express my sadness


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: cookie on February 11, 2011, 08:56:05 AM
I was catching up here and saw the post with the Cranky Crankerson photobucket link.  I've kept up with this case, but admittedly, I purposely kept my distance somewhat.  Looking at all 48 albums in the Zahra Baker photobucket though, I had to post.  As if all Zahra went through wasn't enough....I am beyond angry!  This is probably old news to most of you, but it appears that Adam and Elise never got Zahra a new prosthetic.  Judging by her preschool pics, compared to pics on Pg.41, her prosthetic appears to be the same one.  That would explain the odd right leg bent, left hip awkwardly forward pose she has in full body pictures.  Page 47 on Cranky Crankerson's photobucket shows a pic of Zahra walking back from the mailbox.  Her back is thrown way back and her gait is definitely awkard (at best).  There's a great shot of her sitting on the ground.  You can clearly see the disparity in leg size, how much smaller the prosthetic is than her "stump", and the prosthetic itself.  Having known someone who lost his leg in a farming accident, that prosthetic looks waaaay too small to comfortably support Zahra's weight (standing, walking, running, or otherwise).  It would be like an adult holding your ankle up behind you, strapping your knee onto the handle end of a baseball bat and trying to walk (or run or play).  I am so angry! There seemed to be no shortage of money in that house for an internet connection,hair coloring, hair dye, or an excess of food (as evidenced by Adam's weight and Elise's).  Obviously, Zahra qualified for free hearing aids.  You can't tell me someone wouldn't have donated a prosthetic or paid for a prosthetic for this child, under some program.

I am so angry at the number of children going missing every week, some not "missing' at all!  I know I'm preaching to the choir here and all up on my soap box. I also know I'm in good company.  Since when are children disposable???  I feel for those parents whose children are actually missing. I used to wonder why those who kill their children didn't just give them away/put them up for adoption/abandon them in a mall or parking lot (instead of killing them).  Then I realized it's all about them.  They have a "What can this kid do for me/get me?", until that child outlives their "usefulness".  All I can say, and this is a requests, "God, help us.".
Well said, ISpy, well said.

great post as always Ispy..
I took  a short break from this thread ..too disturbing at times...but now could someone direct me to the pictures that Ispy is referring to? I have gone back about 3 pages and I can't seem to find it..thanks a bunch...
Muffy ,,,that was a perfect comparison of Mimi to Elisa...lol..


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: 4 Donks on February 11, 2011, 12:35:58 PM
I was catching up here and saw the post with the Cranky Crankerson photobucket link.  I've kept up with this case, but admittedly, I purposely kept my distance somewhat.  Looking at all 48 albums in the Zahra Baker photobucket though, I had to post.  As if all Zahra went through wasn't enough....I am beyond angry!  This is probably old news to most of you, but it appears that Adam and Elise never got Zahra a new prosthetic.  Judging by her preschool pics, compared to pics on Pg.41, her prosthetic appears to be the same one.  That would explain the odd right leg bent, left hip awkwardly forward pose she has in full body pictures.  Page 47 on Cranky Crankerson's photobucket shows a pic of Zahra walking back from the mailbox.  Her back is thrown way back and her gait is definitely awkard (at best).  There's a great shot of her sitting on the ground.  You can clearly see the disparity in leg size, how much smaller the prosthetic is than her "stump", and the prosthetic itself.  Having known someone who lost his leg in a farming accident, that prosthetic looks waaaay too small to comfortably support Zahra's weight (standing, walking, running, or otherwise).  It would be like an adult holding your ankle up behind you, strapping your knee onto the handle end of a baseball bat and trying to walk (or run or play).  I am so angry! There seemed to be no shortage of money in that house for an internet connection,hair coloring, hair dye, or an excess of food (as evidenced by Adam's weight and Elise's).  Obviously, Zahra qualified for free hearing aids.  You can't tell me someone wouldn't have donated a prosthetic or paid for a prosthetic for this child, under some program.

I am so angry at the number of children going missing every week, some not "missing' at all!  I know I'm preaching to the choir here and all up on my soap box. I also know I'm in good company.  Since when are children disposable???  I feel for those parents whose children are actually missing. I used to wonder why those who kill their children didn't just give them away/put them up for adoption/abandon them in a mall or parking lot (instead of killing them).  Then I realized it's all about them.  They have a "What can this kid do for me/get me?", until that child outlives their "usefulness".  All I can say, and this is a requests, "God, help us.".
Well said, ISpy, well said.

great post as always Ispy..
I took  a short break from this thread ..too disturbing at times...but now could someone direct me to the pictures that Ispy is referring to? I have gone back about 3 pages and I can't seem to find it..thanks a bunch...
Muffy ,,,that was a perfect comparison of Mimi to Elisa...lol..

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Zahra%20Baker%20%20-NC-/?start=40


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Brandi on February 11, 2011, 01:50:44 PM
I was catching up here and saw the post with the Cranky Crankerson photobucket link.  I've kept up with this case, but admittedly, I purposely kept my distance somewhat.  Looking at all 48 albums in the Zahra Baker photobucket though, I had to post.  As if all Zahra went through wasn't enough....I am beyond angry!  This is probably old news to most of you, but it appears that Adam and Elise never got Zahra a new prosthetic.  Judging by her preschool pics, compared to pics on Pg.41, her prosthetic appears to be the same one.  That would explain the odd right leg bent, left hip awkwardly forward pose she has in full body pictures.  Page 47 on Cranky Crankerson's photobucket shows a pic of Zahra walking back from the mailbox.  Her back is thrown way back and her gait is definitely awkard (at best).  There's a great shot of her sitting on the ground.  You can clearly see the disparity in leg size, how much smaller the prosthetic is than her "stump", and the prosthetic itself.  Having known someone who lost his leg in a farming accident, that prosthetic looks waaaay too small to comfortably support Zahra's weight (standing, walking, running, or otherwise).  It would be like an adult holding your ankle up behind you, strapping your knee onto the handle end of a baseball bat and trying to walk (or run or play).  I am so angry! There seemed to be no shortage of money in that house for an internet connection,hair coloring, hair dye, or an excess of food (as evidenced by Adam's weight and Elise's).  Obviously, Zahra qualified for free hearing aids.  You can't tell me someone wouldn't have donated a prosthetic or paid for a prosthetic for this child, under some program.

I am so angry at the number of children going missing every week, some not "missing' at all!  I know I'm preaching to the choir here and all up on my soap box. I also know I'm in good company.  Since when are children disposable???  I feel for those parents whose children are actually missing. I used to wonder why those who kill their children didn't just give them away/put them up for adoption/abandon them in a mall or parking lot (instead of killing them).  Then I realized it's all about them.  They have a "What can this kid do for me/get me?", until that child outlives their "usefulness".  All I can say, and this is a requests, "God, help us.".
Well said, ISpy, well said.

great post as always Ispy..
I took  a short break from this thread ..too disturbing at times...but now could someone direct me to the pictures that Ispy is referring to? I have gone back about 3 pages and I can't seem to find it..thanks a bunch...
Muffy ,,,that was a perfect comparison of Mimi to Elisa...lol..

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Zahra%20Baker%20%20-NC-/?start=40

More specifically, ISpy mentions page 41, which is here: http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Zahra%20Baker%20%20-NC-/?start=40#!cpZZ41QQtppZZ20

and page 47, which is here: http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Zahra%20Baker%20%20-NC-/?start=40#!cpZZ47QQtppZZ20


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Brandi on February 11, 2011, 02:29:03 PM
I was catching up here and saw the post with the Cranky Crankerson photobucket link.  I've kept up with this case, but admittedly, I purposely kept my distance somewhat.  Looking at all 48 albums in the Zahra Baker photobucket though, I had to post.  As if all Zahra went through wasn't enough....I am beyond angry!  This is probably old news to most of you, but it appears that Adam and Elise never got Zahra a new prosthetic.  Judging by her preschool pics, compared to pics on Pg.41, her prosthetic appears to be the same one.  That would explain the odd right leg bent, left hip awkwardly forward pose she has in full body pictures.  Page 47 on Cranky Crankerson's photobucket shows a pic of Zahra walking back from the mailbox.  Her back is thrown way back and her gait is definitely awkard (at best).  There's a great shot of her sitting on the ground.  You can clearly see the disparity in leg size, how much smaller the prosthetic is than her "stump", and the prosthetic itself.  Having known someone who lost his leg in a farming accident, that prosthetic looks waaaay too small to comfortably support Zahra's weight (standing, walking, running, or otherwise).  It would be like an adult holding your ankle up behind you, strapping your knee onto the handle end of a baseball bat and trying to walk (or run or play).  I am so angry! There seemed to be no shortage of money in that house for an internet connection,hair coloring, hair dye, or an excess of food (as evidenced by Adam's weight and Elise's).  Obviously, Zahra qualified for free hearing aids.  You can't tell me someone wouldn't have donated a prosthetic or paid for a prosthetic for this child, under some program.

I am so angry at the number of children going missing every week, some not "missing' at all!  I know I'm preaching to the choir here and all up on my soap box. I also know I'm in good company.  Since when are children disposable???  I feel for those parents whose children are actually missing. I used to wonder why those who kill their children didn't just give them away/put them up for adoption/abandon them in a mall or parking lot (instead of killing them).  Then I realized it's all about them.  They have a "What can this kid do for me/get me?", until that child outlives their "usefulness".  All I can say, and this is a requests, "God, help us.".
Well said, ISpy, well said.

great post as always Ispy..
I took  a short break from this thread ..too disturbing at times...but now could someone direct me to the pictures that Ispy is referring to? I have gone back about 3 pages and I can't seem to find it..thanks a bunch...
Muffy ,,,that was a perfect comparison of Mimi to Elisa...lol..

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Zahra%20Baker%20%20-NC-/?start=40

More specifically, ISpy mentions page 41, which is here: Page 41 (http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Zahra%20Baker%20%20-NC-/?start=40#!cpZZ41QQtppZZ20)

and page 47, which is here: Page 47 (http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Zahra%20Baker%20%20-NC-/?start=40#!cpZZ47QQtppZZ20)


Quoted to edit URLs above to individual pages.



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on February 11, 2011, 02:32:03 PM
Brandi,that is a very pretty picture of Zahra.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: cookie on February 11, 2011, 05:00:13 PM
thanks Gang!

what an amazing job that Cranky does! wow...truly truly wonderful..


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: cw618 on February 11, 2011, 06:41:22 PM
hi Emily Dietrich, we are still waiting justice,but as you can see
we have not forgotten, where i live i look toward the south sky,to
where zahra's star is, and know there will be justice for her
hope all is well as can be

http://www.painterofdreams.com/anyonecert.php?SAO=158845

http://www.painterofdreams.com/anyoneviewstar.php?SAO=158845


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Wildingheart on February 12, 2011, 06:01:52 AM
I apologize if this has already been covered but I read back several pages and didn't see it. Has anyone seen this?!

http://www.goupstate.com/article/20110204/wire/110209815

It shows the same pic that is on here, but there is 7 pages of info about EB. Very informative albeit sickening stuff.

The uncanny thing is it only reiterates everything in the astrological profile I did of her in my blog here (which is also on this forum somewhere) :

http://moonsmuse.blogspot.com/2010/12/astrology-of-elisa-baker.html

And please know I am not trying to toot my own horn...just the fact that it is all there in the stars.

And if this is irrelevant please delete it. Much love and respect to you sweet Monkeys.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Brandi on February 12, 2011, 06:16:04 PM
I apologize if this has already been covered but I read back several pages and didn't see it. Has anyone seen this?!

http://www.goupstate.com/article/20110204/wire/110209815

It shows the same pic that is on here, but there is 7 pages of info about EB. Very informative albeit sickening stuff.

The uncanny thing is it only reiterates everything in the astrological profile I did of her in my blog here (which is also on this forum somewhere) :

http://moonsmuse.blogspot.com/2010/12/astrology-of-elisa-baker.html

And please know I am not trying to toot my own horn...just the fact that it is all there in the stars.

And if this is irrelevant please delete it. Much love and respect to you sweet Monkeys.

Hi Wildingheart!

For the record, that article was linked to the picture when I posted it. (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9035.msg1300282#msg1300282)

But I see no problem with posting the link again. ;-)

Interesting article, indeed.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Wildingheart on February 13, 2011, 07:42:24 AM
I apologize if this has already been covered but I read back several pages and didn't see it. Has anyone seen this?!

http://www.goupstate.com/article/20110204/wire/110209815

It shows the same pic that is on here, but there is 7 pages of info about EB. Very informative albeit sickening stuff.

The uncanny thing is it only reiterates everything in the astrological profile I did of her in my blog here (which is also on this forum somewhere) :

http://moonsmuse.blogspot.com/2010/12/astrology-of-elisa-baker.html

And please know I am not trying to toot my own horn...just the fact that it is all there in the stars.

And if this is irrelevant please delete it. Much love and respect to you sweet Monkeys.

Hi Wildingheart!

For the record, that article was linked to the picture when I posted it. (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9035.msg1300282#msg1300282)

But I see no problem with posting the link again. ;-)

Interesting article, indeed.

Thanks for responding, Brandi. I didn't have time to read many pages back and I got all excited thinking I finally had something to contribute. Actually, it's hard to get past that photo of Elisa too.

I try to understand humanity (as well as inhumanity) but what how anyone could want a relationship with something like that is beyond my understanding. I know looks really doesn't matter, but it should at least be within the same species.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: klaasend on February 13, 2011, 01:02:22 PM
hi Emily Dietrich, we are still waiting justice,but as you can see
we have not forgotten, where i live i look toward the south sky,to
where zahra's star is, and know there will be justice for her
hope all is well as can be

http://www.painterofdreams.com/anyonecert.php?SAO=158845

http://www.painterofdreams.com/anyoneviewstar.php?SAO=158845

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5300/5441817409_3a23d677f5_z.jpg)


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: klaasend on February 13, 2011, 06:35:33 PM
O/T BUT IMPORTANT FOR ALL TO READ:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9451.0


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Brandi on February 14, 2011, 05:48:34 PM
I so wish we could see some real action in this case.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Sister on February 15, 2011, 07:59:17 AM
I so wish we could see some real action in this case.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::
Brandi, I so agree.  I pray all this time is being used to present an air tight case!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: klaasend on February 15, 2011, 03:04:50 PM
http://www.wcnc.com/news/zahra-baker/Hickory-to-build-playground-in-honor-of-Zahra-Baker-116229514.html

Hickory to build playground in honor of Zahra Baker
by NewsChannel 36 Staff

WCNC.com
Posted on February 15, 2011 at 10:40 AM




Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Brandi on February 15, 2011, 04:06:56 PM
http://www.wcnc.com/news/zahra-baker/Hickory-to-build-playground-in-honor-of-Zahra-Baker-116229514.html

Hickory to build playground in honor of Zahra Baker
by NewsChannel 36 Staff

WCNC.com
Posted on February 15, 2011 at 10:40 AM


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(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/ZahraClareBaker/Image87-1.png)
http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/feb/14/portion-park-be-dedicated-zahra-ar-783159/


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: statru on February 15, 2011, 04:08:59 PM
Probably not the best choice of location...but its good to see they are doing it.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: starwynn on February 15, 2011, 06:16:20 PM
It looks cute - I hope they're able to do it, and that the kids enjoy it.  I wish she could have.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 15, 2011, 06:47:15 PM
It looks cute - I hope they're able to do it, and that the kids enjoy it.  I wish she could have.

   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: klaasend on February 15, 2011, 08:29:48 PM
Don't miss the Dana Pretzer show tonight at 9pm ET:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2011/02/15/22540/

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4142/5449151611_9e5decbb68_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Nana29 on February 15, 2011, 10:00:25 PM
It looks cute - I hope they're able to do it, and that the kids enjoy it.  I wish she could have.


I keep trying to focus on the awesome playground she has access to now!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: starwynn on February 16, 2011, 12:32:28 AM
It looks cute - I hope they're able to do it, and that the kids enjoy it.  I wish she could have.


I keep trying to focus on the awesome playground she has access to now!

Nice!!  <3


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Sister on February 16, 2011, 06:41:48 AM
It looks cute - I hope they're able to do it, and that the kids enjoy it.  I wish she could have.


I keep trying to focus on the awesome playground she has access to now!
Nana, I agree with your thinking . . . the most awesome playground of all.
The location of the earthly playground look like they play ball there -- lots of children, it is good!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Wildingheart on February 17, 2011, 01:23:54 PM
The playground is a lovely gesture, and I hope it will be a huge success.

It's a shame those in authority weren't as mindful and conscientious when Zahra was living and suffering neglect and abuse (that was consistently reported).

The only thing comforting is what Nana said...she's in her Father's playground now, where nobody can harm her ever again. God bless Zahra.



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on February 17, 2011, 05:04:36 PM
While watching TV last night I saw a promo for the Channel 9 (WIN) show "60 Minutes" which will air this Sunday 30 Feb and they showed a snippet of an interview by Liz Hayes, one of their most experienced reporters, and Adam Baker.

I will be tuned in to watch for sure and will also link here the transcript when it is published on their website.  This is not the same TV network that interviewed Zahra's mother Emily.

I hope Nightowl and other Australian monkeys are able to watch also.

http://sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com.au/default.aspx


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on February 17, 2011, 05:06:15 PM
And that should read Sunday 20 Feb.

More coffee, please


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on February 17, 2011, 08:29:06 PM
Once again SM is first with the latest!   ::koaladancing::

And for those confused posters at the other MP site :

7:30pm Sunday February 20, 2011 in Australian Eastern Daylight Saving Time converts to
3:30am Sunday February 20, 2011 in US/Eastern


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Shell on February 18, 2011, 04:24:42 AM
The playground is a lovely gesture, and I hope it will be a huge success.

It's a shame those in authority weren't as mindful and conscientious when Zahra was living and suffering neglect and abuse (that was consistently reported).

The only thing comforting is what Nana said...she's in her Father's playground now, where nobody can harm her ever again. God bless Zahra.



Yes Nana, God called His Child home.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Shell on February 18, 2011, 04:28:38 AM


I really can't understand this case. There is a confession as to where a body was, and a body-why no arrest is beyond me. What are they waiting for? Unless...it is to make sure they can get all involved and have an air tight case.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Sister on February 18, 2011, 06:06:58 AM


I really can't understand this case. There is a confession as to where a body was, and a body-why no arrest is beyond me. What are they waiting for? Unless...it is to make sure they can get all involved and have an air tight case.
I think that is what it is, Shell.
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/WEATHER/furby-halo2-1.gif)


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Sister on February 18, 2011, 07:30:12 AM
According to this article, the park will be accessible for children with disabilities.  Good for them!
 Reply with quote

http://www.wral.com/news/state/story/9120892/
 
 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on February 18, 2011, 05:20:15 PM
Story transcripts

The Zahra Baker Mystery

 ::snipping2::

It's a crime that's horrified and fascinated people on both sides of the Pacific. On Sunday night, for the first time, Zahra's dad tells his version of events. 

It's no wonder police are having so much trouble solving the mystery.

There will be no video or transcript available due to ongoing legal proceedings in the US.

 ::snipping2::

http://sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com.au/stories/8213190/the-zahra-baker-mystery

Disappointing to read this but with our strict laws regarding publishing anything to do with ongoing legal or criminal cases, it would not surprise me if this interview did not make it to air.  If it was a case based here in Australia it would have been pulled by now by court order.

I will be watching and hoping the interview appears and we learn something new.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Brandi on February 19, 2011, 09:18:40 PM
Zahra's dad talks on TV
Rachel Browne
February 20, 2011

THE Australian father of slain 10-year-old Zahra Baker reveals his side of the story for the first time, denying he was involved in his daughter's death, in an interview with 60 Minutes to air tonight.

Speaking to reporter Liz Hayes, Adam Baker refutes his wife Elisa Baker's claim that he dismembered his daughter's body.

"That's the biggest lie she's ever told," he said.
<snipped>

http://www.smh.com.au/world/zahras-dad-talks-on-tv-20110219-1b0jo.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on February 20, 2011, 01:58:51 AM
Less than two hours until our Australian version of 60 minutes goes to air. As the website for 60 minutes has stated it will not be publishing a transcript or video owing to being an ongoing case in USA I am still sceptical that it will go to air.  I hope I am wrong and I will be watching to see.

Brandi has posted a link to a report on the interview and it is as expected - Adam is reported to have said what we all expect the goose to say - he is not guilty.

 ::snipping2::

Mr Baker revealed he feared his wife, whom he calls Lisa, was hurting Zahra after he noticed she had a black eye. "I asked both Lisa and Zahra how that happened. Lisa started out saying Zahra slipped in the bathroom, hitting her head on the cabinet. Zahra backed that up. I think she was told to; she was scared."

 ::snipping2::

http://www.smh.com.au/world/zahras-dad-talks-on-tv-20110219-1b0jo.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: PookyBear on February 20, 2011, 08:26:08 AM
Good morning.  Here is the interview of Adam and his mother from last night -- http://video.au.msn.com/watch/video/the-zahra-baker-mystery/x3ydihu


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: melisb on February 20, 2011, 09:39:44 AM
Good morning.  Here is the interview of Adam and his mother from last night -- http://video.au.msn.com/watch/video/the-zahra-baker-mystery/x3ydihu


Thank you so much!  Very sickening to sit and listen  to this POS.  My truck driving potty mouth is 99% controlled but I had to let loose in the middle of the video...the reported asks him if he dismembered Zahra and of course he said no, then she asked if he thought EvilE had anything to do with this and he said he thinks she had something to do with it but (paraphrasing)he's not sure how much!  I'm not saying it right cause I got flat azz pizzed off and went off!  Watch it and you will know exactly what I mean!  I'm fired up and gotta go to work!  Need to do a few chores and blow some steam off before I get on the road and think about it more!  Y'all have a wonderful day!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: SuzieQ on February 20, 2011, 12:21:34 PM
There are soooooo many questions I would like to ask Adam Baker. Like why didn't he make sure she was under a doctor's care. If he saw her at all, he had to have known she had out grown  her prosthesis. I'm sorry, but I just cannot believe he is that dumb.

I hope Klaas can copy this video. It is likely to go bye-bye.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Curly on February 20, 2011, 06:07:33 PM
Good morning.  Here is the interview of Adam and his mother from last night -- http://video.au.msn.com/watch/video/the-zahra-baker-mystery/x3ydihu


It's gone.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Sister on February 21, 2011, 08:00:43 AM
Please light a candle and say a prayer for Zahra,may she rest in peace.
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Zahra



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: statru on February 21, 2011, 12:30:31 PM
The grand jury just handed down an indictment of 2nd degree murder for elisa baker.
Edit to add link, per statru. MB  http://bit.ly/fNsomc


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: mizjay on February 21, 2011, 12:41:26 PM
The grand jury just handed down an indictment of 2nd degree murder for elisa baker.
Edit to add link, per statru. MB   http://bit.ly/fNsomc
Please let Adam be next.  ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: statru on February 21, 2011, 12:43:27 PM
Lets hope
There is a news conference scheduled for 3pm (local time)  
Probably can see it on wsoc or at the hickory daily record Edit to add link, per statru. MB   http://bit.ly/fNsomc


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 21, 2011, 12:44:03 PM
Adam Baker interview transcript
Posted: Nov 17, 2010 9:07 AM PST
Updated: Nov 17, 2010 9:37 AM PST


(The following is a transcript of an interview between WBTV's Steve Ohnesorge and Adam Baker, the father of Zahra Baker. This is Baker's first sit down interview since Zahra went missing.)

<snipped>

http://www.wbtv.com/global/story.asp?s=13519440


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Curly on February 21, 2011, 01:05:42 PM
The grand jury just handed down an indictment of 2nd degree murder for elisa baker.
Edit to add link, per statru. MB   http://bit.ly/fNsomc


2nd degree? What about chubby hubby Adam?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: statru on February 21, 2011, 01:06:24 PM
 http://bit.ly/fNsomc
Hope that works


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 21, 2011, 01:11:07 PM
http://images.bimedia.net/documents/022111+baker+indictment.pdf         Indictment


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 21, 2011, 01:11:44 PM
I am hoping the "second" degree murder charge is a plea deal with the prosecutor for the entire story encompassing the death of Zahra and ... ALL who were involved.

Janet

+++++ 


Murder indictment sought against Elisa Baker in Zahra's death, sources say
Monday, February 21st, 12:27 pm


<snipped>

Hickory Police say that they will hold a press conference Monday at 3 pm to talk about the case involving Zahra Baker, a 10-year-old girl who went missing and was found dismembered.

Sources tell WBTV prosecutors are seeking a second-degree murder charge against Elisa Baker.

NOTE: WBTV.com will have LIVE video of the press conference at 3 pm.

<snipped>

http://hickory.wbtv.com/news/crime/murder-indictment-sought-against-elisa-baker-zahras-death-sources-say/59452


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Mere on February 21, 2011, 01:11:52 PM
http://bit.ly/fNsomc
Hope that works

It works and thank you..!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 21, 2011, 01:11:56 PM
http://bit.ly/fNsomc
Hope that works


Yep, works just fine.  Thank you for bringing the news and providing the link.



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 21, 2011, 01:14:28 PM
The grand jury just handed down an indictment of 2nd degree murder for elisa baker.
Edit to add link, per statru. MB   http://bit.ly/fNsomc


2nd degree? What about chubby hubby Adam?
Hard for me to imagine this, but maybe he didn't have a hand in this? Personally I don't believe that, but maybe there is no evidence or very little evidence to charge Adam with?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: 4 Donks on February 21, 2011, 01:15:23 PM
Adam Baker interview transcript
Posted: Nov 17, 2010 9:07 AM PST
Updated: Nov 17, 2010 9:37 AM PST


(The following is a transcript of an interview between WBTV's Steve Ohnesorge and Adam Baker, the father of Zahra Baker. This is Baker's first sit down interview since Zahra went missing.)

<snipped>

http://www.wbtv.com/global/story.asp?s=13519440

The thing I noticed was that mommy dearest referred to Zahra as "that little girl" and the dad referred to her as his daughter..Neither called her by name..very telling  IMOO


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: mizjay on February 21, 2011, 01:17:10 PM
The grand jury just handed down an indictment of 2nd degree murder for elisa baker.
Edit to add link, per statru. MB   http://bit.ly/fNsomc


2nd degree? What about chubby hubby Adam?
Hard for me to imagine this, but maybe he didn't have a hand in this? Personally I don't believe that, but maybe there is no evidence or very little evidence to charge Adam with?
Even if his hand had nothing to do with it, his gross negligence sure did..in my big fat opinion!  


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: San on February 21, 2011, 01:18:08 PM
Stepmother Indicted in Death of Disabled North Carolina Girl

Published February 21, 2011
Associated Press

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/02/21/stepmother-indicted-death-disabled-north-carolina-girl/#ixzz1EcPhKZDO

HICKORY, N.C. -- The stepmother of a disabled North Carolina girl has been indicted on a murder charge in the child's death.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: mizjay on February 21, 2011, 01:29:10 PM
The indictment records the offense committed on or about Sept. 24th, 2010

and the "kidnap" was called in how many days later? 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Curly on February 21, 2011, 01:32:31 PM
3 PM presser (EST) . HLN will broadcast.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: statru on February 21, 2011, 01:37:12 PM
The indictment records the offense committed on or about Sept. 24th, 2010

and the "kidnap" was called in how many days later? 

2 weeks.
Dad surely had some gross negligence in the whole matter.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Curly on February 21, 2011, 01:40:32 PM
I will NEVER believe that he had nothing or at the very least..no knowledge of what happened to Zahra.



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 21, 2011, 01:49:26 PM
I agree, but it's about time she was arrested. I think his arrest will come later.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: San on February 21, 2011, 01:52:29 PM
I agree, but it's about time she was arrested. I think his arrest will come later.

I agree.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Brandi on February 21, 2011, 01:54:15 PM
Indictment
http://images.bimedia.net/documents/022111+baker+indictment.pdf

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/ZahraClareBaker/indict.png)


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: mizjay on February 21, 2011, 01:55:36 PM
The indictment records the offense committed on or about Sept. 24th, 2010

and the "kidnap" was called in how many days later? 

2 weeks.
Dad surely had some gross negligence in the whole matter.
That in itself should be criminal. What if she had been gravely hurt or ill and he willfully ignores his parental obligation to, at the very least see to his child's well being? I don't understand, I would think a parent should be accountable for a minor. It's acceptable for a parent to be completely oblivious to a child's presence (or non presence)  for 2 weeks?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Cappuccino on February 21, 2011, 02:12:14 PM
Stepmother indicted in death of disabled NC girl

HICKORY, N.C. — The stepmother of a 10-year-old disabled girl was indicted Monday on charges she killed the freckle-faced child and then desecrated her remains to cover up the slaying, according to court documents.

A grand jury in Catawba County charged Elisa Baker with second-degree murder in the death of Zahra Baker. Authorities planned to discuss the case at a news conference later in the day...... ::snipping2::
http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20110221/US.Disabled.Girl.Killed/


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Cappuccino on February 21, 2011, 02:13:49 PM
Ill be watching the presser but Im very upset that this is 2nd degree, whether she can still get life or not is irrelevant to me morally after what this monster did


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Curly on February 21, 2011, 02:14:28 PM
The indictment records the offense committed on or about Sept. 24th, 2010

and the "kidnap" was called in how many days later? 

2 weeks.
Dad surely had some gross negligence in the whole matter.
That in itself should be criminal. What if she had been gravely hurt or ill and he willfully ignores his parental obligation to, at the very least see to his child's well being? I don't understand, I would think a parent should be accountable for a minor. It's acceptable for a parent to be completely oblivious to a child's presence (or non presence)  for 2 weeks?

Not in my book.
And what's with the 2nd degree charge?
I'm glad she's finally been charged, but I am shocked that it's not 1st degree. The sick,twisted, insane brutality of this case screams 1st degree to me.


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Post by: statru on February 21, 2011, 02:20:19 PM
From what I have looked up. First degree murder would have to be premeditated. And there was a tweet from Rad Berkley that death penalty not an option

https://twitter.com/radberkywcnc/status/39764206622478336


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Post by: 4 Donks on February 21, 2011, 02:23:14 PM
Ill be watching the presser but Im very upset that this is 2nd degree, whether she can still get life or not is irrelevant to me morally after what this monster did
Capp if they made a deal with her(2nd degree) to get Zahra's remains would that be part of the public record ?


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Post by: trimmonthelake on February 21, 2011, 02:25:43 PM
http://images.bimedia.net/documents/022111+baker+indictment.pdf         Indictment
Thanks NRCG.   ::HelloKitty::


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Post by: Curly on February 21, 2011, 02:28:48 PM
From what I have looked up. First degree murder would have to be premeditated. And there was a tweet from Rad Berkley that death penalty not an option

https://twitter.com/radberkywcnc/status/39764206622478336

Yes, but who's to say it wasn't premeditated?
I wonder why he's saying DP not an option?


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Post by: mizjay on February 21, 2011, 02:29:50 PM
For the inhuman way zahra was treated in life and after death I'm disappointed at the charges of 2nd degree. I might understand the non premeditated criteria but still seems too light.  As for AB, in my mind, he deserves to be charged also. Sometimes it's just too much....very disappointed


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Post by: 4 Donks on February 21, 2011, 02:32:01 PM
From what I have looked up. First degree murder would have to be premeditated. And there was a tweet from Rad Berkley that death penalty not an option

https://twitter.com/radberkywcnc/status/39764206622478336

Yes, but who's to say it wasn't premeditated?
I wonder why he's saying DP not an option?
Because it is 2nd degree and the death penalty doesn't apply.


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Post by: BabsKats on February 21, 2011, 02:32:35 PM
Would think with the original 911 call from Adam, the attempted cover-up reporting it as a kidnapping, that he'd talked to Z on Tuesday, checked in on her on Thursday night etc.  Even if they can't pin the actual murder, desecration and disposal, charges of some kind against Adam should put him away for a few years?


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Post by: Curly on February 21, 2011, 02:33:30 PM
From what I have looked up. First degree murder would have to be premeditated. And there was a tweet from Rad Berkley that death penalty not an option

https://twitter.com/radberkywcnc/status/39764206622478336

Yes, but who's to say it wasn't premeditated?
I wonder why he's saying DP not an option?
Because it is 2nd degree and the death penalty doesn't apply.

Oh, thanks.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 21, 2011, 02:35:14 PM
http://images.bimedia.net/documents/022111+baker+indictment.pdf         Indictment
Thanks NRCG.   ::HelloKitty::
Your welcome, and hopefully we will hear something soon about Adam  ::MonkeyNoNo::


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Post by: Monkey King on February 21, 2011, 02:39:10 PM
http://images.bimedia.net/documents/022111+baker+indictment.pdf         Indictment
Thanks NRCG.   ::HelloKitty::
Your welcome, and hopefully we will hear something soon about Adam  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Me too, NR!  This is ridiculous.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: cw618 on February 21, 2011, 02:43:16 PM
great news,now to get adam,
so adam what do you say now,zahra ETD is sept/24-25
but you said in an interview, that you saw zahra tues. evening, 4 days b4 she was
reported missing, the LE are putting their evidence together for your indictment,as we
speak/type, no where to hide dude
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The following information is excerpted from the North Carolina Revised General ... Murder in the First and Second Degree (14-17)

Crimes Against Persons
Murder in the First and Second Degree (14-17)
A murder which shall be perpetrated by ... poison, lying in wait, imprisonment, starving, torture, or by any other kind of willful, deliberate and premeditated killing or which shall be committed in the perpetration or attempted perpetration of any arson, rape or sex offense, robbery, kidnapping, burglary, or other felony committed or attempted with the use of a deadly weapon, shall be ... murder in the first degree ... and shall be punished by death or life imprisonment ... except that any person ... under 17 years of age at the time of the murder shall be punished with imprisonment ... for life.

All other kinds of murder, including that which shall be proximately caused by the unlawful distribution of opium or any synthetic or natural salt, compound, derivative, or the preparation of opium ... cause the death of the user, shall be ... murder in the second degree and ... shall be punished as a Class C felony.

Classification: First Degree - Class A Felony (death or life imprisonment); Second Degree - Class B2 Felony (50 years, life imprisonment, fine, or both).

http://www.ncsu.edu/police/Information/NCLaw.html


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Post by: Curly on February 21, 2011, 02:45:29 PM
http://www.wyff4.com/r-video/26941269/detail.html

Link to news conf. @3pm EST.


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Post by: statru on February 21, 2011, 02:47:04 PM
The penalty for 2nd Degree Murder, in North Carolina, is a prison sentence of 78 to 600 months, i.e., 6 and half years to 50 years.



A murder which shall be perpetrated by ... poison, lying in wait, imprisonment, starving, torture, or by any other kind of willful, deliberate and premeditated killing or which shall be committed in the perpetration or attempted perpetration of any arson, rape or sex offense, robbery, kidnapping, burglary, or other felony committed or attempted with the use of a deadly weapon, shall be ... murder in the first degree ... and shall be punished by death or life imprisonment ... except that any person ... under 17 years of age at the time of the murder shall be punished with imprisonment ... for life.

http://www.ncsu.edu/police/Information/NCLaw.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: cw618 on February 21, 2011, 02:48:02 PM
sorry forgot this post is JMO,and i couldnt find that interview
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9035.msg1306011#msg1306011


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Post by: Tamikosmom on February 21, 2011, 02:52:30 PM
I am hoping the "second" degree murder charge is a plea deal with the prosecutor for the entire story encompassing the death of Zahra and ... ALL who were involved.

Janet

+++++ 


Murder indictment sought against Elisa Baker in Zahra's death, sources say
Monday, February 21st, 12:27 pm


<snipped>

Hickory Police say that they will hold a press conference Monday at 3 pm to talk about the case involving Zahra Baker, a 10-year-old girl who went missing and was found dismembered.

Sources tell WBTV prosecutors are seeking a second-degree murder charge against Elisa Baker.

NOTE: WBTV.com will have LIVE video of the press conference at 3 pm.

<snipped>

http://hickory.wbtv.com/news/crime/murder-indictment-sought-against-elisa-baker-zahras-death-sources-say/59452


Did Adam testify at the Grand Jury hearing/s?  Maybe Adam negotiated a plea dea>

Janet


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Post by: Brandi on February 21, 2011, 02:54:25 PM
<snipped>
Gaither won't say whether any deal was signed but he insisted "if there is sufficient and credible evidence to prove that Elisa Baker was involved in the death of Zahra Baker, the State is under no obligation to limit charges."

A first-degree murder conviction carries life in prison without parole - or possibly the death penalty.

Second-degree murder is punishable by prison time ranging from about eight years to more than 30 years, depending on akiller's criminal record.

Read more: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/02/21/2081001/elisa-baker-could-face-8-to-30.html#ixzz1EcnzymXZ
<snipped>

Good article here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/02/21/2081001/elisa-baker-could-face-8-to-30.html

Anyone find a link for the press conference at 3?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: cw618 on February 21, 2011, 02:56:40 PM
http://www.wyff4.com/r-video/26941269/detail.html

Link to news conf. @3pm EST.

TY
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i think i read this wrong is it for juvies
The following information is excerpted from the North Carolina Revised General ... Murder in the First and Second Degree (14-17) age?
http://www.ncsu.edu/police/Information/NCLaw.html



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Brandi on February 21, 2011, 02:57:12 PM
http://www.wyff4.com/r-video/26941269/detail.html

Link to news conf. @3pm EST.

Thanks, Curly!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Brandi on February 21, 2011, 02:59:20 PM
Live stream of conference here also: http://www.wsoctv.com/video/26941061/index.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: statru on February 21, 2011, 03:01:08 PM
“@wcnc: WATCH LIVE: Hickory police discuss charges in Zahra Baker case http://bit.ly/h1liPE”


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Post by: Cappuccino on February 21, 2011, 03:01:30 PM
Presser just began on HLN CNN news


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Brandi on February 21, 2011, 03:02:04 PM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/ZahraClareBaker/Image6-1.png)
Jay Gaither


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Post by: Curly on February 21, 2011, 03:04:41 PM
OMG!
No credible evidence to implicate anyone but EB.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Brandi on February 21, 2011, 03:05:29 PM
Hickory Police Chief Tom Adkins

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/ZahraClareBaker/Image8-2.png)


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 21, 2011, 03:05:37 PM
OMG!
No credible evidence to implicate anyone but EB.
That is exactly what I was afraid of  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Brandi on February 21, 2011, 03:06:24 PM
OMG!
No credible evidence to implicate anyone but EB.

That was the shocker in this conference, for sure!

 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Cappuccino on February 21, 2011, 03:06:26 PM
Ill be watching the presser but Im very upset that this is 2nd degree, whether she can still get life or not is irrelevant to me morally after what this monster did
Capp if they made a deal with her(2nd degree) to get Zahra's remains would that be part of the public record ?

Im positive that is what they did, thus the Grand Jury being instructed that the highest charge would be 2nd degree but my heart is sick over it.   This is hard to say but I think they would have found Zahra eventually even without this monster's help, but even if they hadnt they shouldnt have bargained with her for anything less than life but only to spare her miserable existence.

Sometimes we make deals with the devil & in this case I think it was too premature to do so


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Monkey King on February 21, 2011, 03:10:01 PM
OMG!
No credible evidence to implicate anyone but EB.

My thoughts exactly!

AB lived in that house, he didn't see his daughter for who nows how long, there was physical evidence they collected from the drains and who knows where else, and yet, he doesn't know anything?  Yeah, ok!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Monkey King on February 21, 2011, 03:14:59 PM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/ZahraClareBaker/Image6-1.png)
Jay Gaither

Brandi~

Refresh my memory, who is this guy?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Brandi on February 21, 2011, 03:20:37 PM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/ZahraClareBaker/Image6-1.png)
Jay Gaither

Brandi~

Refresh my memory, who is this guy?

http://www.ncdistrictattorney.org/25/home.html

District Attorney James C. Gaither, Jr.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Brandi on February 21, 2011, 03:32:35 PM
Monkey King, he is AKA Jay Gaither: http://www.gaitherda.com/


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 21, 2011, 03:36:29 PM
No credible evidence to implicate anyone, that may be, but no way do I believe that Adam didn't know what the he!! was going on inside his house, don't buy it.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: mizjay on February 21, 2011, 04:00:24 PM
No credible evidence to implicate anyone, that may be, but no way do I believe that Adam didn't know what the he!! was going on inside his house, don't buy it.
No way, no how a father with one child to be responsible for never noticed that she was not present in that tiny house. If he's not charged with child abuse/neglect I will forever believe justice was denied for Zahra.  EB was given carte blanche to abuse and murder and dismember his daughter by him. 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 21, 2011, 04:12:09 PM
No credible evidence to implicate anyone, that may be, but no way do I believe that Adam didn't know what the he!! was going on inside his house, don't buy it.
No way, no how a father with one child to be responsible for never noticed that she was not present in that tiny house. If he's not charged with child abuse/neglect I will forever believe justice was denied for Zahra.  EB was given carte blanche to abuse and murder and dismember his daughter by him. 
I totally agree with you  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: mizjay on February 21, 2011, 04:17:23 PM
No credible evidence to implicate anyone, that may be, but no way do I believe that Adam didn't know what the he!! was going on inside his house, don't buy it.
No way, no how a father with one child to be responsible for never noticed that she was not present in that tiny house. If he's not charged with child abuse/neglect I will forever believe justice was denied for Zahra.  EB was given carte blanche to abuse and murder and dismember his daughter by him. 
I totally agree with you  ::MonkeyNoNo::

...and one last thing....so it took 2 weeks for ELISA to out herself and the fact that Zahra was "missing"...exactly how long would it have been for HIM to realize it? A month? 6 weeks?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 21, 2011, 04:26:57 PM
No credible evidence to implicate anyone, that may be, but no way do I believe that Adam didn't know what the he!! was going on inside his house, don't buy it.
No way, no how a father with one child to be responsible for never noticed that she was not present in that tiny house. If he's not charged with child abuse/neglect I will forever believe justice was denied for Zahra.  EB was given carte blanche to abuse and murder and dismember his daughter by him. 
I totally agree with you  ::MonkeyNoNo::

...and one last thing....so it took 2 weeks for ELISA to out herself and the fact that Zahra was "missing"...exactly how long would it have been for HIM to realize it? A month? 6 weeks?
I can't for a second believe that Adam was this dumb. Unless all he did was work part time, play games on the computer, and take drugs, and didn't give a rat's butt about Zahra. This makes zero sense to me, but if they don't have the evidence to charge Adam, they can't.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 21, 2011, 04:34:23 PM
DISGUSTING


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Curly on February 21, 2011, 04:41:29 PM
I hope they at least lock him up for all the offenses he's out on bond for and that he gets the maximum sentence in gen. pop.
In the meantime, perhaps those incompetents in charge can find a way to tie him to his daughter's death.
What about child negligence charges? This freak sees himself going back to live out his life in Australia.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Curly on February 21, 2011, 04:44:54 PM
http://www.wbtv.com/global/link.asp?l=477003

GRAPHIC~  ME Report ZB


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Curly on February 21, 2011, 04:49:45 PM
Autopsy report~

http://www.wbtv.com/global/link.asp?l=476992


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Cappuccino on February 21, 2011, 04:54:35 PM
Autopsy report~

http://www.wbtv.com/global/link.asp?l=476992

Good God...and this was bargained with, I'm beyond furious.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: pfaubush on February 21, 2011, 05:11:48 PM
Unbelievable how much of her remains are still missing. I think that there would be a much clearer picture if they were recovered. Why would EB not tell them where ALL of the remains were if she knew??? I think that AB is the missing link to their locations!

We're one step closer to justice, but until both of them are convicted, it hasn't been fully served.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: pfaubush on February 21, 2011, 05:13:33 PM
Forgot to thank you for posting those links Curly.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Curly on February 21, 2011, 05:26:11 PM
Yeah, it's unreal how many of her bones have not been located.
Why wouldn't that twisted beotch tell them where the skull was?
I hope Adam and his stupid mother read those reports.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: cw618 on February 21, 2011, 05:47:48 PM


TY for the links curly,
maybe EB, dosent know where the skull is, because AB took care of that aspect

interview with adam says when he last saw zahra
http://blog.eyesforlies.com/2010/10/missing-zahra-baker.html

adam says he last saw zahra thursday evening,sorry i thought it was tues.

the affidavits say that ETD for zahra was in sept
ok just saying the sept time frame is wrong,and it was in oct, that EB killed
zahra, how is it that AB,didnt know anything about anything, like

EB did the dismembering in the one and only bathroom in the house,and AB didnt
notice,an odor or other evidence, in a 48hr period
and which ever tool EB used, had to have blood,hair,bone,and it was AB tool,
he didnt miss it when it was gone

and i dont think EB could have dismembered zahra and buried,and thrown evidence
out in 48hr period with out AB knowing something,AB said he last saw zahra thurs.
so EB has till thurs eve till sometime b4 fire,to dismember and bury zahra
if we are to believe AB,that zahra was still alive at the time he says

EB sure the hill wasnt burying zahra in the day time,so that leaves thurs nite
till b4 the fire at 2;30 sat morn to kill,dismember,and bury zahra
 thurs nite to kill, or EB could have done that fri morn,i guess
friday day to dismember,and friday nite to bury

AB is home friday nite doesnt hear EB take zahra out to be buried
and EB is back in time for the fire 2;30 am sat
i dont by any of it,and i hope the LE doesnt stop looking for evidence to charge AB
JMO,i believe he was in on it,maybe not the actual murder,but the cover up at least


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Curly on February 21, 2011, 05:51:33 PM


TY for the links curly,
maybe EB, dosent know where the skull is, because AB took care of that aspect

interview with adam says when he last saw zahra
http://blog.eyesforlies.com/2010/10/missing-zahra-baker.html

adam says he last saw zahra thursday evening,sorry i thought it was tues.

the affidavits say that ETD for zahra was in sept
ok just saying the sept time frame is wrong,and it was in oct, that EB killed
zahra, how is it that AB,didnt know anything about anything, like

EB did the dismembering in the one and only bathroom in the house,and AB didnt
notice,an odor or other evidence, in a 48hr period
and which ever tool EB used, had to have blood,hair,bone,and it was AB tool,
he didnt miss it when it was gone

and i dont think EB could have dismembered zahra and buried,and thrown evidence
out in 48hr period with out AB knowing something,AB said he last saw zahra thurs.
so EB has till thurs eve till sometime b4 fire,to dismember and bury zahra
if we are to believe AB,that zahra was still alive at the time he says

EB sure the hill wasnt burying zahra in the day time,so that leaves thurs nite
till b4 the fire at 2;30 sat morn to kill,dismember,and bury zahra
 thurs nite to kill, or EB could have done that fri morn,i guess
friday day to dismember,and friday nite to bury

AB is home friday nite doesnt hear EB take zahra out to be buried
and EB is back in time for the fire 2;30 am sat
i dont by any of it,and i hope the LE doesnt stop looking for evidence to charge AB
JMO,i believe he was in on it,maybe not the actual murder,but the cover up at least


I agree with everything you stated, and also hope that they don't stop looking for evidence, but I have my doubts.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Sister on February 21, 2011, 06:12:14 PM
Unbelievable how much of her remains are still missing. I think that there would be a much clearer picture if they were recovered. Why would EB not tell them where ALL of the remains were if she knew??? I think that AB is the missing link to their locations!

We're one step closer to justice, but until both of them are convicted, it hasn't been fully served.
Totally agree!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Cappuccino on February 21, 2011, 06:19:21 PM
Nancy Grace will be covering the case tonight

And I agree there is no way AB did not know what was going on in that house...that cold 911 call still sends chills thru me & Ive seen/heard a lot in my years


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Monkey King on February 21, 2011, 06:21:33 PM
They just said on the news- on HLN, that Zahra's skull is still missing, while discussing prosecuting elisa and determining a cause of death.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Cappuccino on February 21, 2011, 07:41:05 PM
They just said on the news- on HLN, that Zahra's skull is still missing, while discussing prosecuting elisa and determining a cause of death.

This is exactly what I mean, if they were bargaining with her to give up locations they should have never ever signed off on partial information.   I mean if she confessed they should have held out on her until she gave up everything & held life in prison over her head.   I just do not understand why they went from DP qualified felony murder to 2nd degree in making this plea agreement prior to indictment.  As far as Im concerned the only thing they should have offered this monster is to spare her life so she would rot in jail instead of getting the needle.  Seriously, I havent visited this thread often because the case infuriates me even more than Caylee's case & that is an unmeasurable amount of fury!  ::MonkeyMad::

As far as Im concerned this is not justice for Zahra!   Bless you little angel, be in peace knowing millions around the world have you within their hearts.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on February 21, 2011, 07:46:33 PM
I viewed the TV interview on 60 minutes with Adam Baker and I was incensed at his attitude. Having to suffer his snuffling and mumbling, long pauses while looking at the floor together with a range of facial gestures such as trying to suppress smiles and making grimaces it was very difficult to concentrate on his answers.  When I replayed the tape I also made of the interview I found his answers were noncommittal as usual and his only interest seemed to be how it all had affected him.  He did admit it was a mistake on his part for bringing the evil witch into the picture and that Zahra would most likely still be alive had this not happened.  Most of the interview he spent looking at the floor while Liz Hayes asked the questions.  He condescended to look at her when he answered but then straight back to studying the floor.  He could not answer as to when he last saw his daughter and whether that is because he has been warned not to disclose that, or he has run out of days of the week to guess at I am not sure.  He did mumble something about impeding the ongoing investigation.

His closing remarks that he wanted to bring Zahra back to Australia and to put pieces of his life together again here nearly brought me undone.  I had to leave the room otherwise I would have pulverised the TV set. 

It is also an interesting exercise to watch his facial expressions without the sound.

I do hope that no one thinks Adam is a typical Aussie male.  He is far from that and although visitors joke about our laid back “she’ll be right, mate” attitude our menfolk are for the most part decent, caring and strong with definite family values and protective of their children.  Those men who fail to nurture and protect their children are mostly ostracised by their peers.  Adam is what we would call a dead loss as a father and seemingly quite content to leave his child with her long medical history in the care of his mother and then to subject her to the care of the evil witch. His lack of knowledge as to all that happened to Zahra  since they moved to US points to his either being totally drugged out of his mind most of the time or simply not caring where she was or what happened to her.

I had better not go into my thoughts on the comments made by Ma Baker but I do want to add to her statement that anyone that watched Zahra go through two bouts of cancer as Adam did would not kill and dismember the child.  Well Ma Baker, anyone that watched Zahra suffer through all those medical procedures would also not allow anyone else to harm their child or totally ignore all the signs and official complaints that were there for years that Zahra was not getting the attention and love she deserved.  Go play your violin elsewhere as your protestations do not work with me.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: statru on February 21, 2011, 08:03:10 PM
Has he gone back to Australia?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Samarie on February 21, 2011, 08:05:03 PM
Unbelievable how much of her remains are still missing. I think that there would be a much clearer picture if they were recovered. Why would EB not tell them where ALL of the remains were if she knew??? I think that AB is the missing link to their locations!

We're one step closer to justice, but until both of them are convicted, it hasn't been fully served.

I wonder if Zahra's skull (such a hard time typing that...) is still missing because it would leave no doubt that this child brutally murdered, quite possibly by a fatal blow to the head. If I were LE I would dangle the DP over Elesa's headf in return for the rest of this child. The 2nd degree murder charge doesn't bother me so much. I'm just glad there have been charges brought and I bet the case is air tight. Between a guilty verdict in the murder of Zahra, the bad checks, the obstruction and bigamy charges, this dark hearted beotch will be some prison butch's baby for the rest of her nasty life. She'll never get out of prison when all is said and done....JMHO


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Post by: Tibrogargan on February 21, 2011, 08:07:54 PM
The news that second degree murder charges are being laid against the evil witch is at least a step in the right direction.  My understanding of the press conference is that they have no credible evidence at this time as to anyone else being involved with her in this murder.  I think they did mention the ongoing investigation and I am hoping there is more to be learned and that other charges can proceed against one or more other persons who I am sure were involved in, at the very least, dismemberment and disposal.  It is difficult to imagine one woman being capable of cutting up a body and then digging such a large hole in the bushland to hide part of the evidence.

What is distressing is the small amount of the remains that have been found and I think that head injuries could easily have been the cause of death hence the skull being one of the missing parts.  My earlier thoughts on the use of the wood chipper could explain the absence of the hands and smaller bones.

I am back to having thoughts of shoving the evil witch and so-called father feet first into a wood chipper.

Precious Zahra I know you are running and skipping and playing in the gardens of the Summerland.  Your star shines brightly in the southern skies.

Emily my thoughts and prayers are with you and your family.


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Post by: Tibrogargan on February 21, 2011, 08:10:13 PM
Has he gone back to Australia?

Not that I have seen reported anywhere.  I am sure it would make our media as he would be escorted back because of either illegal entry to the US or over staying visitor/work visas.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: cw618 on February 21, 2011, 08:10:15 PM
Tibrogargan  TY, for your assessment and opinion on the show
AB is guilty of something in zahra murder,and hes hoping he wont get caught
well i dont think the NC LE will quit looking for evidence to implicate him
did you record that on your puter too, if you did there is a way to get it out easily,and even if you recorded on
a dvd recorder, there is a way,i sure would like to see it


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Post by: MuffyBee on February 21, 2011, 08:14:23 PM

(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTfNY8n52Kz_hkW9-JxWAZDULv7cmRjJzVGfBfSYBwkgbkv-fVB)


Please light a candle and say a prayer for Zahra, may she rest in peace.

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Zahra


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Curly on February 21, 2011, 08:17:38 PM
Has he gone back to Australia?

He's still facing charges in NC.
He's not going anywhere anytime soon.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: cw618 on February 21, 2011, 08:28:43 PM
Tibrogargan is this the video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdhV5AHyMYI&feature=player_embedded


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on February 21, 2011, 08:29:27 PM
Tibrogargan  TY, for your assessment and opinion on the show
AB is guilty of something in zahra murder,and hes hoping he wont get caught
well i dont think the NC LE will quit looking for evidence to implicate him
did you record that on your puter too, if you did there is a way to get it out easily,and even if you recorded on
a dvd recorder, there is a way,i sure would like to see it

Thanks cw.  I recorded it on the old video tape recorder so unable to copy to computer.  I did see a link to YouTube where the video has been posted and comes with the follo9wing comment :

This video is unlisted. Only those with the link can see it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdhV5AHyMYI

Not sure how long the video will remain accessible so maybe some smart monkey can snag it.
Hint Hint.






Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on February 21, 2011, 08:31:07 PM
Tibrogargan is this the video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdhV5AHyMYI&feature=player_embedded

Good work, cw.  You deserve a bunch of bananas.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: starwynn on February 21, 2011, 08:36:38 PM
Yeah, it's unreal how many of her bones have not been located.
Why wouldn't that twisted beotch tell them where the skull was?
I hope Adam and his stupid mother read those reports.

At the risk of being graphic, remember when they found the burial site - there were two holes.  One was a large hole where the torso was found.  There was a second hole, about the size of a head, beside it.  There was talk at that time (rumors really) that the head was separate from the body.  I guess those rumors were true, only they neglected to say that it was separate to the point of not being there.  Now comes the graphic part.  If the head was buried separately from the torso (which might or might not have been wrapped in tarp - they haven't said yet that I know, but again there was a rumor) then it would be easier for scavenger animals to pick up and take away.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: starwynn on February 21, 2011, 08:39:45 PM
I viewed the TV interview on 60 minutes with Adam Baker and I was incensed at his attitude. Having to suffer his snuffling and mumbling, long pauses while looking at the floor together with a range of facial gestures such as trying to suppress smiles and making grimaces it was very difficult to concentrate on his answers.  When I replayed the tape I also made of the interview I found his answers were noncommittal as usual and his only interest seemed to be how it all had affected him.  He did admit it was a mistake on his part for bringing the evil witch into the picture and that Zahra would most likely still be alive had this not happened.  Most of the interview he spent looking at the floor while Liz Hayes asked the questions.  He condescended to look at her when he answered but then straight back to studying the floor.  He could not answer as to when he last saw his daughter and whether that is because he has been warned not to disclose that, or he has run out of days of the week to guess at I am not sure.  He did mumble something about impeding the ongoing investigation.

His closing remarks that he wanted to bring Zahra back to Australia and to put pieces of his life together again here nearly brought me undone.  I had to leave the room otherwise I would have pulverised the TV set. 

It is also an interesting exercise to watch his facial expressions without the sound.

I do hope that no one thinks Adam is a typical Aussie male.  He is far from that and although visitors joke about our laid back “she’ll be right, mate” attitude our menfolk are for the most part decent, caring and strong with definite family values and protective of their children.  Those men who fail to nurture and protect their children are mostly ostracised by their peers.  Adam is what we would call a dead loss as a father and seemingly quite content to leave his child with her long medical history in the care of his mother and then to subject her to the care of the evil witch. His lack of knowledge as to all that happened to Zahra  since they moved to US points to his either being totally drugged out of his mind most of the time or simply not caring where she was or what happened to her.

I had better not go into my thoughts on the comments made by Ma Baker but I do want to add to her statement that anyone that watched Zahra go through two bouts of cancer as Adam did would not kill and dismember the child.  Well Ma Baker, anyone that watched Zahra suffer through all those medical procedures would also not allow anyone else to harm their child or totally ignore all the signs and official complaints that were there for years that Zahra was not getting the attention and love she deserved.  Go play your violin elsewhere as your protestations do not work with me.


I really appreciate your post.  We'll make a deal with you - if you promise not to think that all women are like that stepmonster, we'll promise not to think all Aussie guys are like Adam.  Deal?  The whole thing makes me incredibly sick, and I had taken that there was still a head for granted.  I'm not able to deal with that bit of information, and it's really ripping me apart.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Curly on February 21, 2011, 08:41:35 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/MdhV5AHyMYI?fs=1


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: starwynn on February 21, 2011, 08:43:30 PM
I mean - the one and only one thing that gave me peace is that they found her main body - torso and head, or so I thought.  I know she's way past any body - and everything she had, including her missing leg, are all back and 100% perfect.  But it's really bothering me.

That and the fact that when it is SO absolutely obvious that no one could section a little girl in a house, leave the sort of mess that allowed for collection of the type of evidence they did, despite the huge box of baking soda and newly painted walls - no one could do that in a 24 hour period and clean up everything that was used/touched on their own, one person, with someone else living in the house.

The autopsy papers don't seem to dispute a possible death date of September 25 or so, versus the October date.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Curly on February 21, 2011, 08:47:34 PM
On NG one of her guests (ADr.) is saying that the bones should be sent to a forensic anthropologist because from what he can see, it looks as if the wounds were ante-mortum, not post, and that Zahra was stabbed to the bone multiple times.
This is too sick to even put into words.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: akmom on February 21, 2011, 08:53:11 PM
I CANNOT accept this on so many levels.....I hate to think or say these things, but that house had to have smelled.  I am so sorry, but those are the facts.  They took everything apart, I cannot believe they didn't find things there.  He had to have known.  There is no way on this earth he did not.  The Forensics guy on NG says that she was cut or bludgeoned because the marks on her bones were not from being dismembered.  Hopefully a monkey smarter than me can bring over the link for that.  How could this go on in a home, not to mention the mattress that was removed and he not know. 

Also, with so many bones missing, it seems to me that there should be more of a hunt to find the rest, especially with a nearby hole that may have held nothing. 

Justice has to come for this sweet girl.....


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Post by: cw618 on February 21, 2011, 09:00:26 PM
go curly, every time i try to post a vid here it dosent work

banana split heaven for you


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on February 21, 2011, 09:00:31 PM

I really appreciate your post.  We'll make a deal with you - if you promise not to think that all women are like that stepmonster, we'll promise not to think all Aussie guys are like Adam.  Deal?  The whole thing makes me incredibly sick, and I had taken that there was still a head for granted.  I'm not able to deal with that bit of information, and it's really ripping me apart.

starwynn, you have a deal  ::MonkeyKiss::

I have many close friends whom I met here at SM and I have great respect for American women.  The stepmonster is an aberration of humanity.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on February 21, 2011, 09:01:38 PM
OT - massive earthquake in Christchurch, New Zealand.  I have posted link in Musings.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: starwynn on February 21, 2011, 09:03:03 PM
On NG one of her guests (ADr.) is saying that the bones should be sent to a forensic anthropologist because from what he can see, it looks as if the wounds were ante-mortum, not post, and that Zahra was stabbed to the bone multiple times.
This is too sick to even put into words.


Well I certainly hope that they do that - they have to do that, really.  At this point, they don't have any thing else.

It is horrible, Curly.  I find that it is easier for me to try to forget all the emotions that are just carrying me away right now by focusing on analytical things.  Then I let myself abdorb it a tiny piece at a time so it doesn't just collapse me.  And as weird as it sounds, the hope that maybe they can still find a way to have Zahra's remains tell us what happened to her - well that braces me.  I'm feeling a bit like a boat that got swept away to sea right now with this, as I just found this out.  Thanks for throwing this rope. /hugs


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Curly on February 21, 2011, 09:06:37 PM
On NG one of her guests (ADr.) is saying that the bones should be sent to a forensic anthropologist because from what he can see, it looks as if the wounds were ante-mortum, not post, and that Zahra was stabbed to the bone multiple times.
This is too sick to even put into words.


Well I certainly hope that they do that - they have to do that, really.  At this point, they don't have any thing else.

It is horrible, Curly.  I find that it is easier for me to try to forget all the emotions that are just carrying me away right now by focusing on analytical things.  Then I let myself abdorb it a tiny piece at a time so it doesn't just collapse me.  And as weird as it sounds, the hope that maybe they can still find a way to have Zahra's remains tell us what happened to her - well that braces me.  I'm feeling a bit like a boat that got swept away to sea right now with this, as I just found this out.  Thanks for throwing this rope. /hugs

That was only his suggestion. I have no idea if NC will follow up on it, but it sure makes sense.
The way I understood him, was that the piddly 4 page report was BS and should have been sent to experts to determine exactly what happened.


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Post by: Tracygirl on February 21, 2011, 09:28:54 PM

(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTfNY8n52Kz_hkW9-JxWAZDULv7cmRjJzVGfBfSYBwkgbkv-fVB)


Please light a candle and say a prayer for Zahra, may she rest in peace.

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Zahra

Thank you Muffy.


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Post by: pfaubush on February 21, 2011, 09:32:56 PM
Am I the only one thinking that court dates for AB keep getting pushed out so that he can't go anywhere while they're still looking for evidence against him? It just struck me that this may be the reason.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Curly on February 21, 2011, 09:39:38 PM
Am I the only one thinking that court dates for AB keep getting pushed out so that he can't go anywhere while they're still looking for evidence against him? It just struck me that this may be the reason.

I hope that's the reason.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: SuzieQ on February 21, 2011, 10:47:53 PM
http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=14071308

Adam Baker talks to WBTV, says Elisa was 'manipulative'

HICKORY, NC (WBTV) - Adam Baker spoke exclusively with WBTV on Monday just hours after his wife was indicted for the death of his daughter.

Baker says he is relieved there will be justice for Zahra.  He has said all along that he had nothing to do with Zahra's death or dismemberment.

Related: Full coverage of the Zahra Baker case

Baker said he didn't know it was going on because Elisa Baker hid the truth from him.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: invision on February 21, 2011, 11:18:42 PM
http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=14071308

Adam Baker talks to WBTV, says Elisa was 'manipulative'

HICKORY, NC (WBTV) - Adam Baker spoke exclusively with WBTV on Monday just hours after his wife was indicted for the death of his daughter.

Baker says he is relieved there will be justice for Zahra.  He has said all along that he had nothing to do with Zahra's death or dismemberment.

Related: Full coverage of the Zahra Baker case

Baker said he didn't know it was going on because Elisa Baker hid the truth from him.
 ::snipping2::

Re: the above BBM .... Ignorance is no excuse of the law nor is it in this situation!  WHERE WERE YOU DADDY WHEN ALL THIS WAS GOING ON????  If you were a father and active in your daughters life, you would have known!  I say charge him with felony neglect of a child if you can't get him on anything else. 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: KittyMom on February 22, 2011, 12:06:50 AM
I've had to back away from the keyboard so many times today.  I hope that every time EB closes her eyes she sees Zahra's face and hears her laughter. 

I've got a cartoon that was in the paper during the trial of Marcus' foster parents (omgosh the names escape me now).  God is leading Marcus away on a cloud and the caption reads 'Let's not watch the trial, Marcus.  You've been through enough already.'  It so sadly suits too many cases.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 22, 2011, 12:34:25 AM
http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=14071308

Adam Baker talks to WBTV, says Elisa was 'manipulative'

HICKORY, NC (WBTV) - Adam Baker spoke exclusively with WBTV on Monday just hours after his wife was indicted for the death of his daughter.

Baker says he is relieved there will be justice for Zahra.  He has said all along that he had nothing to do with Zahra's death or dismemberment.

Related: Full coverage of the Zahra Baker case

Baker said he didn't know it was going on because Elisa Baker hid the truth from him.
 ::snipping2::

Re: the above BBM .... Ignorance is no excuse of the law nor is it in this situation!  WHERE WERE YOU DADDY WHEN ALL THIS WAS GOING ON????  If you were a father and active in your daughters life, you would have known!  I say charge him with felony neglect of a child if you can't get him on anything else. 

I don't buy for a minute that AB was ignorant of the abuse and danger. The house was small, and presumably he came home after work every night. Did Zahra greet him with smiles? Did they enjoy dinner together or share some TV time together? I am postive they did not. AB said in the 911 call that Zahra was "at that age and spent time in her room". BS! He knew she wasn't in school and IMO he knew why. I don't buy it for a second. AB needs to be charged. He was the constant in Zahra's life and at the very least he allowed this to happen to her. I hope they both fry. This case is horrible. This case just rips out my heart.   ::MonkeyTears::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 22, 2011, 01:47:15 AM
http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=14071308

Adam Baker talks to WBTV, says Elisa was 'manipulative'

HICKORY, NC (WBTV) - Adam Baker spoke exclusively with WBTV on Monday just hours after his wife was indicted for the death of his daughter.

Baker says he is relieved there will be justice for Zahra.  He has said all along that he had nothing to do with Zahra's death or dismemberment.

Related: Full coverage of the Zahra Baker case

Baker said he didn't know it was going on because Elisa Baker hid the truth from him.
 ::snipping2::

Re: the above BBM .... Ignorance is no excuse of the law nor is it in this situation!  WHERE WERE YOU DADDY WHEN ALL THIS WAS GOING ON????  If you were a father and active in your daughters life, you would have known!  I say charge him with felony neglect of a child if you can't get him on anything else. 

I don't buy for a minute that AB was ignorant of the abuse and danger. The house was small, and presumably he came home after work every night. Did Zahra greet him with smiles? Did they enjoy dinner together or share some TV time together? I am postive they did not. AB said in the 911 call that Zahra was "at that age and spent time in her room". BS! He knew she wasn't in school and IMO he knew why. I don't buy it for a second. AB needs to be charged. He was the constant in Zahra's life and at the very least he allowed this to happen to her. I hope they both fry. This case is horrible. This case just rips out my heart.   ::MonkeyTears::

She was his daughter. He was the first line of defense that she had. He failed her. He needs to be charged and serve time. There is no excuse for a parent to not know, he if he didn't, he should have, no excuse ever. I hope he rots right along with his wife.

 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on February 22, 2011, 02:53:33 AM
I was pleasantly surprised to learn of the charges against Elisa this am.

I sighed and thought, wow, Zahra will finally get "some" justice.
What a slap in the face ! Elisa needs put to death & I don't even believe in the death penalty,
as I am Catholic !

As with all monkeys it was comforting to hear that someone would finally
be held accountable for Zahra's death, but...................
when Nancy Grace mentioned that Z had been decapitated, and
her head was still MIA, I thought dear God, let it not be so !

Did Elisa keep it for some sick reason ? WHO in the hell knows ?
As sick & twisted as she and  the company she keeps is, who knows !
Perhaps she sent it out to be shrunk, for her next satanic, voo doo, evil escapade.

The calls to the sex offender concern me on the cell records.

I also still FEEL VERY STRONGLY that time will show that Aaron Young played some role in Z's death. He is too weird, too quick to speak, and he said he did love Elisa at 1 time, so he can't be right in the head IMO !IF he was glad to part ways with her, why did he continue to keep in touch with her, under FALSE pretenses, and was mum about it to his fiance/now wife ?

I despise Elisa and everything she has become. As a parent this is all very difficult for me to process. How could she have done what she did to this beautiful child ?



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on February 22, 2011, 04:13:49 AM
Heartbreaking short segment shown tonight on our Channel 7 nightly news where the journalist that accompanied Emily to USA was getting her thoughts on the evil witch's murder charge.  Between sobs Emily managed to say that she hoped the witch spent the rest of her days remembering what she had done to Zahra.  Emily also was showing and pointing out to him features of the mutilation shown in diagrams in the autopsy/ME reports. She had learned of the charges by a phone call from Hickory LE at 5.30 am her time this morning.

I do not know how she manages to keep going through all this as each disclosure just adds to the anguish.    :smt022

Nothing as yet on the Channel 7 website but I will put link here in case they do print something later.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Wildingheart on February 22, 2011, 06:31:43 AM
I was pleasantly surprised to learn of the charges against Elisa this am.

I sighed and thought, wow, Zahra will finally get "some" justice.
What a slap in the face ! Elisa needs put to death & I don't even believe in the death penalty,
as I am Catholic !

As with all monkeys it was comforting to hear that someone would finally
be held accountable for Zahra's death, but...................
when Nancy Grace mentioned that Z had been decapitated, and
her head was still MIA, I thought dear God, let it not be so !

Did Elisa keep it for some sick reason ? WHO in the hell knows ?
As sick & twisted as she and  the company she keeps is, who knows !
Perhaps she sent it out to be shrunk, for her next satanic, voo doo, evil escapade.

The calls to the sex offender concern me on the cell records.

I also still FEEL VERY STRONGLY that time will show that Aaron Young played some role in Z's death. He is too weird, too quick to speak, and he said he did love Elisa at 1 time, so he can't be right in the head IMO !IF he was glad to part ways with her, why did he continue to keep in touch with her, under FALSE pretenses, and was mum about it to his fiance/now wife ?

I despise Elisa and everything she has become. As a parent this is all very difficult for me to process. How could she have done what she did to this beautiful child ?


I completely agree with everything you said. I was not shocked though, about the decapitation, because I knew it for a fact in early December. It still sickened me to hear it.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Sister on February 22, 2011, 07:00:21 AM
Heartbreaking short segment shown tonight on our Channel 7 nightly news where the journalist that accompanied Emily to USA was getting her thoughts on the evil witch's murder charge.  Between sobs Emily managed to say that she hoped the witch spent the rest of her days remembering what she had done to Zahra.  Emily also was showing and pointing out to him features of the mutilation shown in diagrams in the autopsy/ME reports. She had learned of the charges by a phone call from Hickory LE at 5.30 am her time this morning.

I do not know how she manages to keep going through all this as each disclosure just adds to the anguish.    :smt022

Nothing as yet on the Channel 7 website but I will put link here in case they do print something later.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/

How tramatic for Emily and those who love Zahra . . . many prayers being sent!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on February 22, 2011, 09:42:33 AM
http://www.smh.com.au/world/zahras-father-relieved-to-avoid-charges-over-her-death-20110222-1b470.html
Zahra's father relieved to avoid charges over her death
Simon Mann HERALD CORRESPONDENT
February 23, 2011


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Gypsy DD on February 22, 2011, 10:01:32 AM
http://www.smh.com.au/world/zahras-father-relieved-to-avoid-charges-over-her-death-20110222-1b470.html
Zahra's father relieved to avoid charges over her death
Simon Mann HERALD CORRESPONDENT
February 23, 2011


Hope he doesn't get too comfortable with that relief...it ain't over yet.  At the very least he should be charged with neglect if nothing else.

Why do I feel that the Witch kept the head as a trophy..hidden somewhere..just a gut instinct. ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Green Eyes on February 22, 2011, 10:14:56 AM
I am so angry at the injustice that Zahra has received.  ::MonkeyMad::  I am with CBB they all need to be thrown in a pit of fire and fry. May they rot in Hell for eternity.  I will never believe that A didn't know what was going on in that house.   ::MonkeyMad:: 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: melisb on February 22, 2011, 10:18:20 AM
Gypsy DD...never doubted this for a moment!  Oh, how I hope she gets put in gen pop one day soon!!!!  I'm sorry, but there is no way dorkazz didn't know Zahre wasn't in the home. Fry him too!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 22, 2011, 10:28:18 AM
http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=14071308

Adam Baker talks to WBTV, says Elisa was 'manipulative'

HICKORY, NC (WBTV) - Adam Baker spoke exclusively with WBTV on Monday just hours after his wife was indicted for the death of his daughter.

Baker says he is relieved there will be justice for Zahra.  He has said all along that he had nothing to do with Zahra's death or dismemberment.

Related: Full coverage of the Zahra Baker case

Baker said he didn't know it was going on because Elisa Baker hid the truth from him.
 ::snipping2::

Re: the above BBM .... Ignorance is no excuse of the law nor is it in this situation!  WHERE WERE YOU DADDY WHEN ALL THIS WAS GOING ON????  If you were a father and active in your daughters life, you would have known!  I say charge him with felony neglect of a child if you can't get him on anything else. 
The police took a portion of the house away, is he really saying he didn't see the blood spatter, smell anything bad, hear anything strange? Was he hiding in a closet, did Elissa lock him in a closet? BS  BS   What a low life


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 22, 2011, 10:31:57 AM
http://www.smh.com.au/world/zahras-father-relieved-to-avoid-charges-over-her-death-20110222-1b470.html
Zahra's father relieved to avoid charges over her death
Simon Mann HERALD CORRESPONDENT
February 23, 2011

Mr Baker, who met his wife on a website, and moved to North Carolina with Zahra in 2009, told WBTV: ''Elisa is very manipulative, um, abusive … to me. Very controlling.'' Explaining how he had not realised his daughter was missing earlier than October 9, he said: ''With work, I was gone first thing in the morning and didn't get home til late.

''was told that Zahra was in bed because Zahra normally went to bed early. I checked every night and from what I could tell she was in bed. It looked like she, something was in bed.''   ::MonkeyNoNo::  Here we go, now let's start with the abusive that you took at Elisa's hands, and the weird part is I bet he took abuse from her, loser momma's boy.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: 4myjoey on February 22, 2011, 10:38:58 AM
If the DA made a plea agreement with Elisa to give up the locations of Zahra, why wouldn't they go for
"all" instead of just half of her?  Or did they?

If LE did find the other remains, would there be a separate autopsy report that we haven't seen?  And is this where
LE is building their case against Adam.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: 4 Donks on February 22, 2011, 10:52:55 AM
http://www.smh.com.au/world/zahras-father-relieved-to-avoid-charges-over-her-death-20110222-1b470.html
Zahra's father relieved to avoid charges over her death
Simon Mann HERALD CORRESPONDENT
February 23, 2011

Mr Baker, who met his wife on a website, and moved to North Carolina with Zahra in 2009, told WBTV: ''Elisa is very manipulative, um, abusive … to me. Very controlling.'' Explaining how he had not realised his daughter was missing earlier than October 9, he said: ''With work, I was gone first thing in the morning and didn't get home til late.

''was told that Zahra was in bed because Zahra normally went to bed early. I checked every night and from what I could tell she was in bed. It looked like she, something was in bed.''   ::MonkeyNoNo::  Here we go, now let's start with the abusive that you took at Elisa's hands, and the weird part is I bet he took abuse from her, loser momma's boy.
BBM
I think it was mutual abuse. Remember the pictures of EB with the black eyes and the reports of physical altercations outside the home. Too much evidence to make that claim. MOO


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Gypsy DD on February 22, 2011, 11:01:21 AM
http://www.smh.com.au/world/zahras-father-relieved-to-avoid-charges-over-her-death-20110222-1b470.html
Zahra's father relieved to avoid charges over her death
Simon Mann HERALD CORRESPONDENT
February 23, 2011

Mr Baker, who met his wife on a website, and moved to North Carolina with Zahra in 2009, told WBTV: ''Elisa is very manipulative, um, abusive … to me. Very controlling.'' Explaining how he had not realised his daughter was missing earlier than October 9, he said: ''With work, I was gone first thing in the morning and didn't get home til late.

''was told that Zahra was in bed because Zahra normally went to bed early. I checked every night and from what I could tell she was in bed. It looked like she, something was in bed.''   ::MonkeyNoNo::  Here we go, now let's start with the abusive that you took at Elisa's hands, and the weird part is I bet he took abuse from her, loser momma's boy.
BBM
I think it was mutual abuse. Remember the pictures of EB with the black eyes and the reports of physical altercations outside the home. Too much evidence to make that claim. MOO

Yeah..he checked every night my foot.  He never even got close enough to the bed to realize she wasn't in it..didn't want to ruffle her hair, give her a gentle peck on the cheek?   He is as full of it as THE WITCH.

It must have been like a horror movie living in that house..no hugs, no kisses, just verbal and physical abuse for poor Zahra.  She is in God's arms now.

But those that abused her, hurt her, murdered her..every last one of them need to pay for it in this life..as well as the next. ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 22, 2011, 11:11:36 AM
http://www.smh.com.au/world/zahras-father-relieved-to-avoid-charges-over-her-death-20110222-1b470.html
Zahra's father relieved to avoid charges over her death
Simon Mann HERALD CORRESPONDENT
February 23, 2011

Mr Baker, who met his wife on a website, and moved to North Carolina with Zahra in 2009, told WBTV: ''Elisa is very manipulative, um, abusive … to me. Very controlling.'' Explaining how he had not realised his daughter was missing earlier than October 9, he said: ''With work, I was gone first thing in the morning and didn't get home til late.

''was told that Zahra was in bed because Zahra normally went to bed early. I checked every night and from what I could tell she was in bed. It looked like she, something was in bed.''   ::MonkeyNoNo::  Here we go, now let's start with the abusive that you took at Elisa's hands, and the weird part is I bet he took abuse from her, loser momma's boy.
BBM
I think it was mutual abuse. Remember the pictures of EB with the black eyes and the reports of physical altercations outside the home. Too much evidence to make that claim. MOO
Then Adam knew full well what was going on in that house, and you would think there would be some evidence pointing to him.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 22, 2011, 11:23:30 AM
http://www.smh.com.au/world/zahras-father-relieved-to-avoid-charges-over-her-death-20110222-1b470.html
Zahra's father relieved to avoid charges over her death
Simon Mann HERALD CORRESPONDENT
February 23, 2011

Mr Baker, who met his wife on a website, and moved to North Carolina with Zahra in 2009, told WBTV: ''Elisa is very manipulative, um, abusive … to me. Very controlling.'' Explaining how he had not realised his daughter was missing earlier than October 9, he said: ''With work, I was gone first thing in the morning and didn't get home til late. ''was told that Zahra was in bed because Zahra normally went to bed early. I checked every night and from what I could tell she was in bed. It looked like she, something was in bed.''   ::MonkeyNoNo::  Here we go, now let's start with the abusive that you took at Elisa's hands, and the weird part is I bet he took abuse from her, loser momma's boy.


Hmmmm. So, you bring your handicapped daughter to a different country and put her in the care of a new wife. The wife becomes  manipulative, controlling, and even abusive to you. Your daughter is kept from enrolling in school so her life exists only through the wife and you......... and you go days with no contact in a small house with your daughter? The past interest that DHS has shown about the care of your daughter doesn't resonate with you? The abuse that others have witnessed just escaped you somehow? Zahra never mentioned the uphill runs to you? If not, why not?

This is BS. I don't care what the circumstances are, AB is guilty and he has Zahra's blood on his hands. JMO!!



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 22, 2011, 11:29:51 AM
http://www.smh.com.au/world/zahras-father-relieved-to-avoid-charges-over-her-death-20110222-1b470.html
Zahra's father relieved to avoid charges over her death
Simon Mann HERALD CORRESPONDENT
February 23, 2011

Mr Baker, who met his wife on a website, and moved to North Carolina with Zahra in 2009, told WBTV: ''Elisa is very manipulative, um, abusive … to me. Very controlling.'' Explaining how he had not realised his daughter was missing earlier than October 9, he said: ''With work, I was gone first thing in the morning and didn't get home til late.

''was told that Zahra was in bed because Zahra normally went to bed early. I checked every night and from what I could tell she was in bed. It looked like she, something was in bed.''   ::MonkeyNoNo::  Here we go, now let's start with the abusive that you took at Elisa's hands, and the weird part is I bet he took abuse from her, loser momma's boy.
BBM
I think it was mutual abuse. Remember the pictures of EB with the black eyes and the reports of physical altercations outside the home. Too much evidence to make that claim. MOO
Then Adam knew full well what was going on in that house, and you would think there would be some evidence pointing to him.

I'm of the opinion there is probably some evidence pointing to Adam Baker at least having knowledge of what was going on in the home, but I'm wondering if there's just not enough to get a conviction.  When there are two or more involved in crimes like what has happened to Zahra, I think it may get tricky and by trying to go after Adam without enough concrete evidence (conviction material), it could cause problems with the case against Elisa, and it wouldn't be good to see her case thrown out.  I wonder if there will be more revealed that might eventually mean Adam Young being brought up on charges as Elisa's case goes to trial?  It appears to me there are a lot of complications, and I wouldn't want to see anything compromised.  One thing I would like to add is, if it bother me and others that Adam Baker may be getting away with crimes against Zahra, I think it would be immensely painful for law enforcement, investigators and others involved with solving the case and trying to bring justice.  They have seen first hand so much more than we've been privy to at this point, and they were in the house and they were in the fields and they know what happened there.  I think that it's a child (disabled one at that) that was abused and most likely murdered that weighs heavily on everyone.  JMHO


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 22, 2011, 11:31:45 AM
 
When Justice arrives on Zahra's behalf, may she be fierce to Elisa and Adam!

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Case/Justice-for-zahra1.gif)



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on February 22, 2011, 11:54:47 AM
http://www.smh.com.au/world/zahras-father-relieved-to-avoid-charges-over-her-death-20110222-1b470.html
Zahra's father relieved to avoid charges over her death
Simon Mann HERALD CORRESPONDENT
February 23, 2011

Mr Baker, who met his wife on a website, and moved to North Carolina with Zahra in 2009, told WBTV: ''Elisa is very manipulative, um, abusive … to me. Very controlling.'' Explaining how he had not realised his daughter was missing earlier than October 9, he said: ''With work, I was gone first thing in the morning and didn't get home til late.

''was told that Zahra was in bed because Zahra normally went to bed early. I checked every night and from what I could tell she was in bed. It looked like she, something was in bed.''   ::MonkeyNoNo::  Here we go, now let's start with the abusive that you took at Elisa's hands, and the weird part is I bet he took abuse from her, loser momma's boy.
BBM
I think it was mutual abuse. Remember the pictures of EB with the black eyes and the reports of physical altercations outside the home. Too much evidence to make that claim. MOO
Then Adam knew full well what was going on in that house, and you would think there would be some evidence pointing to him.

I'm of the opinion there is probably some evidence pointing to Adam Baker at least having knowledge of what was going on in the home, but I'm wondering if there's just not enough to get a conviction.  When there are two or more involved in crimes like what has happened to Zahra, I think it may get tricky and by trying to go after Adam without enough concrete evidence (conviction material), it could cause problems with the case against Elisa, and it wouldn't be good to see her case thrown out.  I wonder if there will be more revealed that might eventually mean Adam Young being brought up on charges as Elisa's case goes to trial?  It appears to me there are a lot of complications, and I wouldn't want to see anything compromised.  One thing I would like to add is, if it bother me and others that Adam Baker may be getting away with crimes against Zahra, I think it would be immensely painful for law enforcement, investigators and others involved with solving the case and trying to bring justice.  They have seen first hand so much more than we've been privy to at this point, and they were in the house and they were in the fields and they know what happened there.  I think that it's a child (disabled one at that) that was abused and most likely murdered that weighs heavily on everyone.  JMHO
::rhino::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: cw618 on February 22, 2011, 11:58:42 AM
have no fear,i truly believe, LE will get their man,
and he eat will eat his words
in jpg,i captured adam face b4 and after,the word murderer and no


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: cw618 on February 22, 2011, 12:06:23 PM
sorry forgot the links

the vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdhV5AHyMYI

curly post of vid
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9035.msg1306149#msg1306149


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: klaasend on February 22, 2011, 12:32:37 PM
OMG - may have already been posted

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/02/21/stepmother-indicted-death-disabled-north-carolina-girl/?test=latestnews

Stepmom Indicted in Death of N.C. Girl as Autopsy Reveals Her Head Is Still Missing


Published February 21, 2011



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Sister on February 22, 2011, 12:47:24 PM
I have no crystal ball, but I believe he will be charged with something, even if it is child neglect or child abuse for allowing this to happen.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 22, 2011, 01:09:13 PM
OMG - may have already been posted

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/02/21/stepmother-indicted-death-disabled-north-carolina-girl/?test=latestnews

Stepmom Indicted in Death of N.C. Girl as Autopsy Reveals Her Head Is Still Missing


Published February 21, 2011



I know, Klaas and it makes me shudder.    ::MonkeyMad:: I can't get the Halloween picture of the house out of my mind. There was a skull prominently displayed on the porch.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Sister on February 22, 2011, 01:12:10 PM
When Justice arrives on Zahra's behalf, may she be fierce to Elisa and Adam!

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Case/Justice-for-zahra1.gif)

Thank you for this CBB.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 22, 2011, 01:53:38 PM
Medical Examiner's report
http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/mgmedia/file/106/medical-examiners-report-zahras-remains/

Autopsy Report
http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/mgmedia/file/105/zahra-baker-autopsy-report/


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: 4 Donks on February 22, 2011, 02:16:45 PM
There is no way EB did this alone. She would have to dismember, clean up, paint and dispose of the mattress then go and dig holes and drive over 2 counties disposing of parts. All while AB was at work. To begin with EB wouldn't do manual labor because she is a user and has others do her bidding. I have to believe they are still working to find out all that are involved.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: 4 Donks on February 22, 2011, 02:19:51 PM
have no fear,i truly believe, LE will get their man,
and he eat will eat his words
in jpg,i captured adam face b4 and after,the word murderer and no

Doesn't looking down and to the left signify lying ?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: starwynn on February 22, 2011, 02:27:12 PM
Not surprising, but what I'm reading in the autopsy report it says that medical records were "scant" for Zahra.  In other words, unless they're just saying they haven't received much, it implies that AB didn't take his daughter to the doctor often, although the records they do have don't show evidence of major medical problems at those exams.

Full autopsy report can be read here: http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/mgmedia/file/105/zahra-baker-autopsy-report/


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: starwynn on February 22, 2011, 02:42:42 PM
have no fear,i truly believe, LE will get their man,
and he eat will eat his words
in jpg,i captured adam face b4 and after,the word murderer and no

Doesn't looking down and to the left signify lying ?

It's supposed to, yes.  Upwards is trying to recall something. I can't recall what to the right means.  Down I think could be shame or lying.

Personally, and this is just IMO, I think that the only really truthful thing that AB said was that it made him "Sick".  That was a truly felt word, and I believe he meant it.  I believe he meant it in a different way than he wants us to think, however.  And I cannot shake the feeling that when he looks down, in his mind he is looking down at what he saw when he saw a dead and harmed Zahra.  I absolutely can't unthink that.

I vacillate on whether or not I believe AB dispersed Zahra, but honestly seeing that the finds in the main grave were a full torso (minus much else), despite EB's determination and size I can't see how she managed to take that portion out of the trunk, dig the hole, and bury the torso (and, I believe, the head - explaining the small head-sized hole that was empty beside the main grave site).  I don't believe for a second that he came up with the idea of separating her body parts, and I think that's where his truthfulness comes in for the key word for him "sick".  I don't think he would have done that, or any of this, without EB.  I believe him when he says that Zahra would be alive if not for EB.  I believe him when he says she was manipulative - and I believe that subconsciously he finishes that sentence with "manipulative enough for me to follow her instructions as to what to do with the now-dead Zahra".  I don't see how she would know how to run the wood chipper, which I think pretty much explains the missing hands and feet.  NOt so much the arms, as the left arm was found dispersed, and I think that probably the other arm and legs are all in different places.  I still believe the head was with the torso - because of that hole, but that scavenger animals did what they do.  I don't believe she kept it as a token.  I don't think she had to.  I think she's the type that would be so insistent on covering her own arse that she wouldn't keep it.  Now - if someone else helped her, maybe someone who cared more for Zahra... maybe they kept it, or went back and retrieved it.  THe head is a very important part emotionally to people.  (To me, too - that's the part that really just bothers me - the heart, and no sternum - as if she took the very soul and heart out of the girl, every bit that made her Zahra...... monster!!!!).  But oddly, I don't think AB would have gone back for the head, or saved it.  I would think it was someone else. 

I wish they would find more evidence, could clarify the pings more clearly, that they could possibly bait EB into thinking that she'll stand alone for the charges and try to get more information out of her that way - like - where is the head??  Where were the upper arms and legs??  She knows this - she knows where they're supposed to be.  They need to squeeze the information out of her. Or wring it.  Or beat it. 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 22, 2011, 03:59:52 PM
http://www.smh.com.au/world/zahras-father-relieved-to-avoid-charges-over-her-death-20110222-1b470.html

Mr Baker, who met his wife on a website, and moved to North Carolina with Zahra in 2009, told WBTV: ''Elisa is very manipulative, um, abusive … to me. Very controlling.'' Explaining how he had not realised his daughter was missing earlier than October 9, he said: ''With work, I was gone first thing in the morning and didn't get home til late. ''was told that Zahra was in bed because Zahra normally went to bed early. I checked every night and from what I could tell she was in bed. It looked like she, something was in bed.''
 
 Did you ever think to go to the "something" you saw in the bed and give her a kiss? Your an idiot.



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Blonde on February 22, 2011, 04:19:15 PM
OMG - may have already been posted

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/02/21/stepmother-indicted-death-disabled-north-carolina-girl/?test=latestnews

Stepmom Indicted in Death of N.C. Girl as Autopsy Reveals Her Head Is Still Missing


Published February 21, 2011




This makes my sick


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Blonde on February 22, 2011, 04:21:20 PM
OMG - may have already been posted

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/02/21/stepmother-indicted-death-disabled-north-carolina-girl/?test=latestnews

Stepmom Indicted in Death of N.C. Girl as Autopsy Reveals Her Head Is Still Missing


Published February 21, 2011



I know, Klaas and it makes me shudder.    ::MonkeyMad:: I can't get the Halloween picture of the house out of my mind. There was a skull prominently displayed on the porch.


WHAT!!!

I never saw that picture is it posted on SM


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 22, 2011, 04:31:20 PM
Does anyone know when she got the hearing aide? Is this the last pic of her?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Brandi on February 22, 2011, 04:56:38 PM
Does anyone know when she got the hearing aide? Is this the last pic of her?

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/ZahraClareBaker/Image45-2.png)

May, 2010

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/10/12/1757005/relative-zahra-baker-had-horrible.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Blonde on February 22, 2011, 04:58:22 PM
OK it was a Halloween decoration right.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: klaasend on February 22, 2011, 05:09:27 PM
OMG - may have already been posted

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/02/21/stepmother-indicted-death-disabled-north-carolina-girl/?test=latestnews

Stepmom Indicted in Death of N.C. Girl as Autopsy Reveals Her Head Is Still Missing


Published February 21, 2011



I know, Klaas and it makes me shudder.    ::MonkeyMad:: I can't get the Halloween picture of the house out of my mind. There was a skull prominently displayed on the porch.


WHAT!!!

I never saw that picture is it posted on SM


(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Zahra%20Baker%20%20-NC-/21fromklaasendsm.jpg)


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: klaasend on February 22, 2011, 05:10:10 PM
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Zahra%20Baker%20%20-NC-/21.jpg)


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: SuzieQ on February 22, 2011, 08:57:07 PM
http://www.wsoctv.com/news/26958934/detail.html


Zahra Baker Case To Be Reviewed By State
Once the Zahra Baker case is closed, it will be put under scrutiny by local and state review teams.
State law says that any time Social Services is involved with a family and that child dies within one year, there's an intensive review to see if the death could have been prevented. The investigation will begin locally with all the key players, including Zahra's schools, DSS offices, emergency responders and the district attorney. Their findings will then be passed on to a state review team

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: SuzieQ on February 22, 2011, 09:02:04 PM
http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Elisa-Bakers-Aunt-Says-Adam-Baker-Should-Face-Chargest-Too-116684979.html

Elisa Baker's aunt says Adam Baker should face charges

by RAD BERKY / NewsChannel 36
Bio | Email| Follow: @RadBerkywcnc
WCNC.com
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 5:17 PM


CATAWBA COUNTY, N.C. -- Elisa Baker’s aunt says that if Elisa is going to be charged in the death of Zahra Baker then Zahra's father, Adam Baker should be charged too.

Concetta Winkler spoke one day after Elisa was indicted by a grand jury on a second-degree murder charge in connection with the death of 10-year-old Zahra Baker.

Adam was not charged and investigators say the only credible evidence led them to believe that Elisa acted alone.

Winkler, who has visited Elisa at the Catawba County Jail has said that Elisa told her Zahra died of natural causes and that Adam dismembered the body.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on February 22, 2011, 09:16:56 PM
Finally, relief for heartbroken mum

    * Clementine Cuneo and Paul Toohey
    * From: Herald Sun
    * February 23, 2011 12:00AM

EMILY Dietrich was woken early yesterday with a call from police to say her daughter Zahra's stepmother, Elisa Baker, had been charged with the young girl's murder.

"I felt like I'd won lotto. I had this smile on my face that nothing was going to wipe away," Ms Dietrich said.

It was the news the Wagga Wagga woman had been waiting for since she learned of the brutal death of her cancer-stricken daughter in November last year.

"I was just relieved to hear that someone's finally going to have to pay for what happened to her (Zahra)," she said.

But that elation quickly turned to horror when Ms Dietrich started reading her daughter's torturous autopsy report, which she found online.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/ipad/finally-relief-for-heartbroken-mum/story-fn6bfmgc-1226010341169


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Curly on February 22, 2011, 09:26:07 PM
http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Elisa-Bakers-Aunt-Says-Adam-Baker-Should-Face-Chargest-Too-116684979.html

Elisa Baker's aunt says Adam Baker should face charges

by RAD BERKY / NewsChannel 36
Bio | Email| Follow: @RadBerkywcnc
WCNC.com
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 5:17 PM


CATAWBA COUNTY, N.C. -- Elisa Baker’s aunt says that if Elisa is going to be charged in the death of Zahra Baker then Zahra's father, Adam Baker should be charged too.

Concetta Winkler spoke one day after Elisa was indicted by a grand jury on a second-degree murder charge in connection with the death of 10-year-old Zahra Baker.

Adam was not charged and investigators say the only credible evidence led them to believe that Elisa acted alone.

Winkler, who has visited Elisa at the Catawba County Jail has said that Elisa told her Zahra died of natural causes and that Adam dismembered the body.

 ::snipping2::

Tough tiddlywinks, Concetta. For the moment, the cheese stands alone.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: 4 Donks on February 22, 2011, 09:59:50 PM
Finally, relief for heartbroken mum

    * Clementine Cuneo and Paul Toohey
    * From: Herald Sun
    * February 23, 2011 12:00AM

EMILY Dietrich was woken early yesterday with a call from police to say her daughter Zahra's stepmother, Elisa Baker, had been charged with the young girl's murder.

"I felt like I'd won lotto. I had this smile on my face that nothing was going to wipe away," Ms Dietrich said.

It was the news the Wagga Wagga woman had been waiting for since she learned of the brutal death of her cancer-stricken daughter in November last year.

"I was just relieved to hear that someone's finally going to have to pay for what happened to her (Zahra)," she said.

But that elation quickly turned to horror when Ms Dietrich started reading her daughter's torturous autopsy report, which she found online.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/ipad/finally-relief-for-heartbroken-mum/story-fn6bfmgc-1226010341169
OMG  Tibro...I am heartbroken that Emily had to read the autopsy report online. Someone should have informed her of the results privately to answer questions. Just unbelievable.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on February 22, 2011, 09:59:59 PM
Many adults failed 10-year-old Zahra Baker

But stepmom's arrest holds someone accountable in death.
Posted: Tuesday, Feb. 22, 2011

Monday's murder charges against Zahra Baker's stepmother mean someone is finally being held accountable in her death. Good. If Elisa Baker is guilty of the horror that law enforcers say was inflicted on the cherubic 10-year-old - her body was dismembered and body parts scattered and buried - she deserves the harshest punishment allowed. The indictment against Baker says she had "a history and pattern of physical, verbal and psychological abuse of the victim."

But when a 10-year-old dies after repeated complaints of mistreatment and abuse, a broader adult failure is apparent. Children rightly rely on adults to keep them safe from such treatment - or to provide timely and adequate help when we can't. In Zahra's case, adults failed. Now, with an autopsy labeling her death of "undetermined homicidal violence," adults must figure out why. How could Zahra Baker end up dead, especially when adults knew or suspected she was abused?

Read more: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/02/22/2083578/many-adults-failed-10-year-old.html#ixzz1EkN7uodt

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Post by: Tibrogargan on February 22, 2011, 10:06:57 PM
Finally, relief for heartbroken mum
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/ipad/finally-relief-for-heartbroken-mum/story-fn6bfmgc-1226010341169
OMG  Tibro...I am heartbroken that Emily had to read the autopsy report online. Someone should have informed her of the results privately to answer questions. Just unbelievable.

It did not say in the TV news clip that I watched, but I do hope the Channel 7 journalist that was speaking to her was also there when she read the reports for the first time.  In the news clip she was pointing out to him the diagrams on the screen then abruptly closed and almost threw the laptop to one side and covered her face with her hands.

Gut wrenching to watch.


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Post by: Tibrogargan on February 22, 2011, 10:10:24 PM
Zahra Baker's family wants her laid to rest in Wagga

BY PATRICK WOOD
23 Feb, 2011 01:00 AM

The family of Zahra Baker is prepared to fight to have the murdered girl's remains returned to Wagga and buried where she was born.

Zahra's great-uncle, Darryl Ross, yesterday said it would be "over his dead body" that his great-niece be put to rest in the US or near the family of her father, Adam Baker.

Mr Baker took custody of Zahra after her birth mother, Emily Dietrich, was diagnosed with post-partem depression.

A decade of custody battles has followed but Mr Ross said his family was committed to a Wagga burial.

"The family will definitely step in. She'll be buried in Wagga where she belongs, with her family that loved her," he said.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.dailyadvertiser.com.au/news/local/news/general/zahra-bakers-family-wants-her-laid-to-rest-in-wagga/2084556.aspx


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Post by: Tibrogargan on February 22, 2011, 10:13:08 PM
Body Language Clues From Zahra Baker's Father

 Sierra Moore    Created:  2/22/2011 6:26:06 PM  Updated: 2/22/2011 7:18:37 PM

Greensboro, NC -- In a case that seems to get more bizarre by the day, we're finding out what Zahra Baker's father is and isn't telling us about his daughter's death.

Monday, his Elisa Baker was charged with second degree murder in Zahra's death. Our news partner WBTV in Charlotte got an exclusive interview with Zahra's father, Adam Baker, after he heard the news. In it, Baker said he jumped for joy when he heard Elisa was indicted. He also claimed Elisa verbally and emotionally abused him during their marriage.

We know the words he said, but we wanted to know what his body language was telling us about him. We showed the video to body language expert Patti Wood. She saw what some people couldn't.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.digtriad.com/news/local/article.aspx?storyid=162510&catid=57


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Post by: Tibrogargan on February 22, 2011, 10:24:33 PM
The case of Zahra Baker beyond belief

    * Paul Toohey
    * From: The Daily Telegraph
    * February 23, 2011 12:00AM

IT SEEMS beyond belief. Adam Baker’s 10-year-old daughter, Zahra, was a cancer sufferer in need of constant care. How could she just go missing from her father’s notice for 15 days?

Police believe Adam’s wife, Elisa Baker, murdered Zahra on September 25 last year and scattered her remains in bins and woodlands outside of the town of Hickory, North Carolina.

Yet it was not until October 9 that Adam Baker noticed that Zahra was no longer in his life. He decided to call the police.

Elisa Baker, 44, has been charged with second degree murder and faces up to 30 years in prison. The manner in which Zahra died has not been revealed.

Adam Baker, 33, told a local television station yesterday that he had been working long hours at his mulching job and was leaving for work and coming home when Zahra was in bed.

Mr Baker’s mother, Karen, 53, of Newcastle, has been in North Carolina with her son since her granddaughter’s partial remains were discovered in October. Yesterday, she backed up Adam’s story.

“Adam was working long hours,” she told News Ltd from the apartment where she is staying with Adam, just out of Hickory.

“He would go into Zahra’s room and she (Elisa) had made up the bed to make it look like she was in bed asleep.”

She agreed it sounded hard to believe.  “Honestly, I don’t have all the answers,” she said. “He doesn’t either. I know it’s very hard to understand. A lot of it is still not to be talked about, because we have a trial coming up and there’s nothing we will do to damage that.”

 ::snipping2::

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/the-case-of-zahra-baker-beyond-belief/story-fn6b3v4f-1226010270205

 ::MonkeyMad::     ::MonkeyMad::    ::MonkeyMad::



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Post by: starwynn on February 23, 2011, 02:42:11 AM
http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Elisa-Bakers-Aunt-Says-Adam-Baker-Should-Face-Chargest-Too-116684979.html

Elisa Baker's aunt says Adam Baker should face charges

by RAD BERKY / NewsChannel 36
Bio | Email| Follow: @RadBerkywcnc
WCNC.com
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 5:17 PM


CATAWBA COUNTY, N.C. -- Elisa Baker’s aunt says that if Elisa is going to be charged in the death of Zahra Baker then Zahra's father, Adam Baker should be charged too.

Concetta Winkler spoke one day after Elisa was indicted by a grand jury on a second-degree murder charge in connection with the death of 10-year-old Zahra Baker.

Adam was not charged and investigators say the only credible evidence led them to believe that Elisa acted alone.

Winkler, who has visited Elisa at the Catawba County Jail has said that Elisa told her Zahra died of natural causes and that Adam dismembered the body.

 ::snipping2::

Tough tiddlywinks, Concetta. For the moment, the cheese stands alone.

I have to say that one of the few things that makes me truly happy about EB being charged solely - is the HORROR she must feel in that she's going to be doing it alone.  Ohhhhh yes, that does make me smile.  Eat it, EB!


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Post by: SuzieQ on February 24, 2011, 12:35:33 PM
A tweet from Rad Berkey WCNC

Lisa Dubs who was Elisa Baker's lawyer says she did her job because Baker will not face a death sentence if convicted

I ask Dubs if she knows how Zahra really died. Her answer at 4 @wcnctv.


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Post by: SuzieQ on February 24, 2011, 12:47:07 PM
http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=14087686

Elisa Baker arraigned, Adam Baker leaves town

By Steve Ohnesorge - bio l email

Newton, NC (WBTV) - Elisa Baker was arraigned Tuesday on an indictment for second degree murder in the death of her stepdaughter Zahra.

Baker was scheduled to be in court for the matter on Friday but officials in the Clerk of Courts Office moved up the matter for procedural reasons.

 ::snipping2::

Meanwhile, Adam Baker, who has not been charged in the Zahra case, left town overnight. Sources told WBTV news Adam and his mother have gone out of state temporarily because they were being harassed.

A number of people have expressed feelings that they thought Adam should have been charged along with Elisa in the death of 10-year-old Zahra Baker.

District Attorney James C. Gaither announced Monday that there was "no credible evidence" to charge anyone other than Elisa Baker. Police were informed of Adam Baker's travel plans.



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Post by: Curly on February 24, 2011, 12:49:18 PM
O
M
G.
You have GOT to be kidding me.
They better have tabs on his arse.
This in insanity at it's finest.


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Post by: Brandi on February 24, 2011, 02:06:35 PM
Ex-attorney negotiated Elisa Baker's cooperation
By: Jennifer Moxley

<snipped>

The state charged Elisa Baker on Monday with second-degree murder. Dubs said because she was on the case, police were able to gather significant evidence.

“After I was appointed, I negotiated an agreement so she would cooperate,” Dubs said.

Attorney Scott Reilly was appointed Wednesday to represent Baker on the murder charges.

http://charlotte.news14.com/content/top_stories/637224/ex-attorney-negotiated-elisa-baker-s-cooperation


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Post by: Brandi on February 24, 2011, 02:10:42 PM
Stepmother’s Former Attorney Discusses Zahra Case
Posted: 11:58 am EST February 24, 2011Updated: 12:11 pm EST February 24, 2011

<snipped>

Lisa Dubs spoke with Eyewitness News reporter Dave Faherty about the case on Thursday, telling him that one of the keys in the case was a deal she cut with prosecutors in which Elisa Baker agreed to cooperate with authorities. Dubs negotiated that agreement during a 24-hour period after one of her investigators recovered a key piece of evidence in the case. She did not say what that piece of evidence was.

The agreement included Elisa Baker’s cooperation in locating Zahra’s remains, Dubs said.

<snipped>
http://www.wsoctv.com/news/26981190/detail.html


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Post by: starwynn on February 24, 2011, 02:39:07 PM
The case of Zahra Baker beyond belief

    * Paul Toohey
    * From: The Daily Telegraph
    * February 23, 2011 12:00AM

IT SEEMS beyond belief. Adam Baker’s 10-year-old daughter, Zahra, was a cancer sufferer in need of constant care. How could she just go missing from her father’s notice for 15 days?

Police believe Adam’s wife, Elisa Baker, murdered Zahra on September 25 last year and scattered her remains in bins and woodlands outside of the town of Hickory, North Carolina.

Yet it was not until October 9 that Adam Baker noticed that Zahra was no longer in his life. He decided to call the police.

Elisa Baker, 44, has been charged with second degree murder and faces up to 30 years in prison. The manner in which Zahra died has not been revealed.

Adam Baker, 33, told a local television station yesterday that he had been working long hours at his mulching job and was leaving for work and coming home when Zahra was in bed.

Mr Baker’s mother, Karen, 53, of Newcastle, has been in North Carolina with her son since her granddaughter’s partial remains were discovered in October. Yesterday, she backed up Adam’s story.

“Adam was working long hours,” she told News Ltd from the apartment where she is staying with Adam, just out of Hickory.

“He would go into Zahra’s room and she (Elisa) had made up the bed to make it look like she was in bed asleep.”

She agreed it sounded hard to believe.  “Honestly, I don’t have all the answers,” she said. “He doesn’t either. I know it’s very hard to understand. A lot of it is still not to be talked about, because we have a trial coming up and there’s nothing we will do to damage that.”

 ::snipping2::

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/the-case-of-zahra-baker-beyond-belief/story-fn6b3v4f-1226010270205

 ::MonkeyMad::     ::MonkeyMad::    ::MonkeyMad::



Looks like mum and son have been putting their heads together to figure out a story eh?


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Post by: starwynn on February 24, 2011, 02:40:15 PM
http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=14087686

Elisa Baker arraigned, Adam Baker leaves town

By Steve Ohnesorge - bio l email

Newton, NC (WBTV) - Elisa Baker was arraigned Tuesday on an indictment for second degree murder in the death of her stepdaughter Zahra.

Baker was scheduled to be in court for the matter on Friday but officials in the Clerk of Courts Office moved up the matter for procedural reasons.

 ::snipping2::

Meanwhile, Adam Baker, who has not been charged in the Zahra case, left town overnight. Sources told WBTV news Adam and his mother have gone out of state temporarily because they were being harassed.

A number of people have expressed feelings that they thought Adam should have been charged along with Elisa in the death of 10-year-old Zahra Baker.

District Attorney James C. Gaither announced Monday that there was "no credible evidence" to charge anyone other than Elisa Baker. Police were informed of Adam Baker's travel plans.



I wonder where they went?


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Post by: SuzieQ on February 24, 2011, 05:49:03 PM
I wonder where the money is coming from for them to go anywhere.


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Post by: statru on February 24, 2011, 06:01:00 PM
videoof Lisa Dubs

http://www.wsoctv.com/video/26981363/index.html


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Post by: Brandi on February 24, 2011, 10:21:04 PM
Ex-defense team in disabled girl’s death took evidence
The Associated Press
Thursday, February 24, 2011
CHARLOTTE — The former defense team for a North Carolina woman accused of killing her disabled 10-year-old stepdaughter took key evidence from a crime scene before it was turned over to authorities searching for the girl’s body, the suspect’s former attorney said Thursday.

But Lisa Dubs, who was one of murder suspect Elisa Baker’s attorneys until this week, said she did nothing wrong. The defense attorney said she’s allowed to collect evidence that helps her client and that she was prohibited by law from then turning it over to police without her client’s permission. The defense investigator says the evidence helped convince Dubs and him that Baker was being truthful.

Legal experts say that gathering evidence — taking photographs at a crime scene, for example — is common for defense teams, but that removing potential evidence falls into a murkier area that many attorneys avoid.

“It was only in our possession long enough to negotiate an agreement with law enforcement and then we turned it over immediately,” the Hickory lawyer told The Associated Press.
<snipped>
http://www.rockymounttelegram.com/news/ncwire/ex-defense-team-disabled-girlrsquos-death-took-evidence-333673

::MonkeyEek::


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Post by: KittyMom on February 24, 2011, 11:47:05 PM
Ex-defense team in disabled girl’s death took evidence
The Associated Press
Thursday, February 24, 2011
CHARLOTTE — The former defense team for a North Carolina woman accused of killing her disabled 10-year-old stepdaughter took key evidence from a crime scene before it was turned over to authorities searching for the girl’s body, the suspect’s former attorney said Thursday.

But Lisa Dubs, who was one of murder suspect Elisa Baker’s attorneys until this week, said she did nothing wrong. The defense attorney said she’s allowed to collect evidence that helps her client and that she was prohibited by law from then turning it over to police without her client’s permission. The defense investigator says the evidence helped convince Dubs and him that Baker was being truthful.

Legal experts say that gathering evidence — taking photographs at a crime scene, for example — is common for defense teams, but that removing potential evidence falls into a murkier area that many attorneys avoid.

“It was only in our possession long enough to negotiate an agreement with law enforcement and then we turned it over immediately,” the Hickory lawyer told The Associated Press.
<snipped>
http://www.rockymounttelegram.com/news/ncwire/ex-defense-team-disabled-girlrsquos-death-took-evidence-333673

::MonkeyEek::

Looks like she got away with something that Jose Baez tried.


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Post by: Green Eyes on February 25, 2011, 01:35:25 AM
Ex-defense team in disabled girl’s death took evidence
The Associated Press
Thursday, February 24, 2011
CHARLOTTE — The former defense team for a North Carolina woman accused of killing her disabled 10-year-old stepdaughter took key evidence from a crime scene before it was turned over to authorities searching for the girl’s body, the suspect’s former attorney said Thursday.

But Lisa Dubs, who was one of murder suspect Elisa Baker’s attorneys until this week, said she did nothing wrong. The defense attorney said she’s allowed to collect evidence that helps her client and that she was prohibited by law from then turning it over to police without her client’s permission. The defense investigator says the evidence helped convince Dubs and him that Baker was being truthful.

Legal experts say that gathering evidence — taking photographs at a crime scene, for example — is common for defense teams, but that removing potential evidence falls into a murkier area that many attorneys avoid.

“It was only in our possession long enough to negotiate an agreement with law enforcement and then we turned it over immediately,” the Hickory lawyer told The Associated Press.
<snipped>
http://www.rockymounttelegram.com/news/ncwire/ex-defense-team-disabled-girlrsquos-death-took-evidence-333673

::MonkeyEek::

Thank You Brandi for this.  I know this happens a lot. But for some reason this just makes me very angry. So in other words this lawyer got away with Elisa not having to really pay for what she did to Zahra. IMO this is WRONG. Elisa needs to pay with her life. And to take evidence and use it as a bargaining tool to get this evil human being off just makes me  ::MonkeyMad:: as all get out.


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Post by: melisb on February 25, 2011, 08:33:14 AM
You know, in my neck of the woods where the good ol boy system still lives, that lawyer would not get away with holding evidence over the DA's head.  It may be slightly legal but I'm not so sure how the electeds that are involved in Zahra's case are gonna be percieved by the public now!  Damn shame a child killer had something to bargain with.  I'm so sorry little Zahra didn't!  Ms. Dubbs, I don't usually go around spouting how I hope you end up being tortured by the demons of this story but I really hope you loose more than a few nights over the fact you helped a baby butcherer spare her own life!  Poor Zahra!


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Post by: statru on February 25, 2011, 11:52:40 AM
oh trust me...the good ol boy system is alive and well here. that would be the reason that Gaither is even in office.

Even Lisa Dubs doesnt understand why adam hasnt been charged as well.

I  think Dubbs should run for DA, we need her on our side prosecuting these people. Not setting them free, she is much more effective in her job that Gaither is in his.


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Post by: statru on February 25, 2011, 11:56:20 AM



Article about attnys gathering evidence...

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/feb/25/rules-state-its-inadvisable-attorneys-gather-evide-ar-811354/


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Post by: trimmonthelake on February 25, 2011, 01:10:16 PM
Ex-defense team in disabled girl’s death took evidence
The Associated Press
Thursday, February 24, 2011
CHARLOTTE — The former defense team for a North Carolina woman accused of killing her disabled 10-year-old stepdaughter took key evidence from a crime scene before it was turned over to authorities searching for the girl’s body, the suspect’s former attorney said Thursday.

But Lisa Dubs, who was one of murder suspect Elisa Baker’s attorneys until this week, said she did nothing wrong. The defense attorney said she’s allowed to collect evidence that helps her client and that she was prohibited by law from then turning it over to police without her client’s permission. The defense investigator says the evidence helped convince Dubs and him that Baker was being truthful.

Legal experts say that gathering evidence — taking photographs at a crime scene, for example — is common for defense teams, but that removing potential evidence falls into a murkier area that many attorneys avoid.

“It was only in our possession long enough to negotiate an agreement with law enforcement and then we turned it over immediately,” the Hickory lawyer told The Associated Press.
<snipped>
http://www.rockymounttelegram.com/news/ncwire/ex-defense-team-disabled-girlrsquos-death-took-evidence-333673

::MonkeyEek::

Looks like she got away with something that Jose Baez tried.

My thoughts exactly.  ::MonkeyEek::


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Post by: Tibrogargan on February 25, 2011, 04:09:51 PM
This is an excellent article and answers some of the questions we still had.  Good read for newcomers to this case also.

Zahra: tortured by hand of evil


    * Paul Toohey
    * From: Herald Sun
    * February 26, 2011 12:00AM

ADAM Baker was a lonely guy, staying up late at night to roam the virtual world while his daughter, Zahra, was in hospital in Brisbane recovering from a serious cancer operation.

Adam had connected with Elisa Fairchild - a woman in her early 40s who had a long history of passing worthless cheques, giving false names, fraud, making violent threats, investigations for beating her own children and, as would later be discovered, bigamy.

Adam's former wife, Emily, had suffered post-natal depression and left Zahra with Adam when Zahra was not quite two years old.

At five, Zahra developed bone cancer and required an above-knee amputation of her left leg.

In 2007, Zahra underwent a lung cancer operation in Brisbane, and her recovery was slow.

 ::snipping2::

For Zahra, her dad's decision to leave Australia, where Zahra's medical treatment was free, for North Carolina, where it's not, was stupid and selfish. Elisa had no medical insurance and family members advised Adam not to go.

He had little money and his needy daughter was denied the regular medical care she needed.

Instead, Zahra was placed in the trailer-home world of a vicious woman who began to beat and torment this small girl.

 ::snipping2::

Adam would not talk to the Herald Sun this week, except to say that his first wife, Emily, who was expressing her grief for Zahra back in Australia, had "never been a mother to Zahra".

But for Adam Baker, 33, there are questions he cannot escape, even if he only ever asks them of himself.

He did not create the creature that is Lisa Baker. But many times during his two years in North Carolina he turned a blind eye to the wicked treatment she dealt out to Zahra.

 ::snipping2::


http://www.heraldsun.com.au/ipad/zahra-tortured-by-hand-of-evil/story-fn6bfkm6-1226012206714



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Post by: Tibrogargan on February 25, 2011, 09:52:59 PM
There is something seriously wrong with this man’s thought processes.  From what we have learned from Emily herself, she gave up Zahra to Adam and his mother owing to postnatal depression and because she thought they would be more capable of caring for her.  Then when Emily recovered and got her life on track once more she tried to contact them with a view of becoming involved in Zahra’s life.  Every attempt she made was either ignored or rebuffed and Adam and his mother moved interstate either for convenience or as a way to avoid being contacted.

It was Adam who became involved with the wicked witch.
It was Adam who married the wicked witch.
It was Adam who chose to move Zahra and himself to another country.
It was Adam who allowed false information to be used to allow his child to leave Australia and enter another country.
It was Adam who ceased contact with his own mother.
It was Adam who chose to allow the wicked witch to rule his life.
It was Adam who presumably chose to allow his lifestyle to be degraded to the level of the wicked witch.
It was Adam who continued with his normal life even after learning that the witch's "brother" was indeed her husband.
It was Adam who chose to ignore the duty of continuing medical monitoring of his daughter’s health.
It was Adam who chose to ignore signs of abuse inflicted on his daughter.
It was Adam who chose to ignore official investigations of abuse on his daughter.
It was Adam who did not see his daughter for about two weeks but did not think it important enough to ask questions.
It was Adam who could not even remember the last time he saw his daughter.
It was Adam who was content to see “something” in Zahra’s bed.
It was Adam who chose not to check more closely on his daughter.
It was Adam who failed his parental duties of care for his child.
It is Adam who is a father in name only


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Post by: Nana29 on February 26, 2011, 01:23:28 PM
There is something seriously wrong with this man’s thought processes.  From what we have learned from Emily herself, she gave up Zahra to Adam and his mother owing to postnatal depression and because she thought they would be more capable of caring for her.  Then when Emily recovered and got her life on track once more she tried to contact them with a view of becoming involved in Zahra’s life.  Every attempt she made was either ignored or rebuffed and Adam and his mother moved interstate either for convenience or as a way to avoid being contacted.

It was Adam who became involved with the wicked witch.
It was Adam who married the wicked witch.
It was Adam who chose to move Zahra and himself to another country.
It was Adam who allowed false information to be used to allow his child to leave Australia and enter another country.
It was Adam who ceased contact with his own mother.
It was Adam who chose to allow the wicked witch to rule his life.
It was Adam who presumably chose to allow his lifestyle to be degraded to the level of the wicked witch.
It was Adam who continued with his normal life even after learning that the witch's "brother" was indeed her husband.
It was Adam who chose to ignore the duty of continuing medical monitoring of his daughter’s health.
It was Adam who chose to ignore signs of abuse inflicted on his daughter.
It was Adam who chose to ignore official investigations of abuse on his daughter.
It was Adam who did not see his daughter for about two weeks but did not think it important enough to ask questions.
It was Adam who could not even remember the last time he saw his daughter.
It was Adam who was content to see “something” in Zahra’s bed.
It was Adam who chose not to check more closely on his daughter.
It was Adam who failed his parental duties of care for his child.
It is Adam who is a father in name only



I absolutely echo everything you said...and sadi very well!


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Post by: Curly on February 26, 2011, 06:06:51 PM
Roger that.
Everything you stated is true.


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Post by: Lake Erie Princess on February 27, 2011, 12:43:37 AM
Adam never appears to be
the sharpest pin in the cushion.
He appears to be a very dependant,
whooped guy.

His Mother helped him a great deal with Zahra over the years.
I bet she was a huge influence to suggest not to allow
Emily into Z's life after Emily recovered from her depression.

BTW: Has anyone heard HOW Emily is, and
where is she moving through this terrible grieving ?
She posted at Valhall/Hinky Meter in the beginning of this mess.


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Post by: trimmonthelake on February 27, 2011, 08:42:59 AM
http://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Skull-open-questions-beset-NC-girl-s-murder-case-1030600.php
Skull, open questions beset NC girl's murder case
MITCH WEISS, Associated Press, TOM BREEN, Associated Press
Updated 03:58 a.m., Sunday, February 27, 2011


Read more: http://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Skull-open-questions-beset-NC-girl-s-murder-case-1030600.php#ixzz1FANxRX5J


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on February 28, 2011, 10:04:56 AM
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/thebodypolitic/2011/03/03/sling-blade-world-the-inevitable-slaying-of-zahra-baker
Upcoming Show: 3/3/2011 6:00 PM   
Host Name:    The Body Politic
Show Name:    
SLING BLADE WORLD: THE INEVITABLE SLAYING OF ZAHRA BAKER
Date / Length:    3/3/2011 5:00 PM - 30 min
Length:    30 min


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Monkey King on February 28, 2011, 12:19:10 PM
It would seem to me since LE was unable to recover all of Zahra's remains, any deal should be null and void. I also don't seem AB as the grieving father. He lived in that household and needs to be accountable as well.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Monkey King on February 28, 2011, 12:22:01 PM
Zahra's skull could potentially implicae AB as well.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: SuzieQ on February 28, 2011, 01:12:00 PM
http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=14155100



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: SuzieQ on February 28, 2011, 01:14:24 PM
http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=14155100


Elisa Baker hit with new indictments, bringing total charges to 21

NEWTON, NC (WBTV) - Exactly one week after being indicted on second-degree murder charges, the stepmother of a dead Hickory girl was hit with more indictments.

Elisa Baker, 42, stepmother of Zahra Baker, was indicted Monday morning by a Caldwell County grand jury on two counts each of financial identity fraud and obtaining property by false pretenses, officials said.

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Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: starwynn on February 28, 2011, 07:13:39 PM
It would seem to me since LE was unable to recover all of Zahra's remains, any deal should be null and void. I also don't seem AB as the grieving father. He lived in that household and needs to be accountable as well.

Thank you! I agree.  They didn't find Zahra.  They found her torso.  I have had no end of anger about this, feeling like Zahra - what EB *allowed* police to find - is like a further broken doll, further humiliated by a most important part being hidden (her head).  She perpetuates the crime by holding back the locations - still!  I mean, really - would you forget where you put something like that?  NO.



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Monkey King on March 01, 2011, 04:45:04 AM
It would seem to me since LE was unable to recover all of Zahra's remains, any deal should be null and void. I also don't seem AB as the grieving father. He lived in that household and needs to be accountable as well.

Thank you! I agree.  They didn't find Zahra.  They found her torso.  I have had no end of anger about this, feeling like Zahra - what EB *allowed* police to find - is like a further broken doll, further humiliated by a most important part being hidden (her head).  She perpetuates the crime by holding back the locations - still!  I mean, really - would you forget where you put something like that?  NO.



Hi Starwynn!

Maybe EB doesn't "know" exactly where Zahra's skull is as perhaps AB is the one who disposed of it...?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: TnMuse on March 01, 2011, 05:06:11 AM
have no fear,i truly believe, LE will get their man,
and he eat will eat his words
in jpg,i captured adam face b4 and after,the word murderer and no

Doesn't looking down and to the left signify lying ?

It's supposed to, yes.  Upwards is trying to recall something. I can't recall what to the right means.  Down I think could be shame or lying.

Personally, and this is just IMO, I think that the only really truthful thing that AB said was that it made him "Sick".  That was a truly felt word, and I believe he meant it.  I believe he meant it in a different way than he wants us to think, however.  And I cannot shake the feeling that when he looks down, in his mind he is looking down at what he saw when he saw a dead and harmed Zahra.  I absolutely can't unthink that.

I vacillate on whether or not I believe AB dispersed Zahra, but honestly seeing that the finds in the main grave were a full torso (minus much else), despite EB's determination and size I can't see how she managed to take that portion out of the trunk, dig the hole, and bury the torso (and, I believe, the head - explaining the small head-sized hole that was empty beside the main grave site).  I don't believe for a second that he came up with the idea of separating her body parts, and I think that's where his truthfulness comes in for the key word for him "sick".  I don't think he would have done that, or any of this, without EB.  I believe him when he says that Zahra would be alive if not for EB.  I believe him when he says she was manipulative - and I believe that subconsciously he finishes that sentence with "manipulative enough for me to follow her instructions as to what to do with the now-dead Zahra".  I don't see how she would know how to run the wood chipper, which I think pretty much explains the missing hands and feet.  NOt so much the arms, as the left arm was found dispersed, and I think that probably the other arm and legs are all in different places.  I still believe the head was with the torso - because of that hole, but that scavenger animals did what they do.  I don't believe she kept it as a token.  I don't think she had to.  I think she's the type that would be so insistent on covering her own arse that she wouldn't keep it.  Now - if someone else helped her, maybe someone who cared more for Zahra... maybe they kept it, or went back and retrieved it.  THe head is a very important part emotionally to people.  (To me, too - that's the part that really just bothers me - the heart, and no sternum - as if she took the very soul and heart out of the girl, every bit that made her Zahra...... monster!!!!).  But oddly, I don't think AB would have gone back for the head, or saved it.  I would think it was someone else. 

I wish they would find more evidence, could clarify the pings more clearly, that they could possibly bait EB into thinking that she'll stand alone for the charges and try to get more information out of her that way - like - where is the head??  Where were the upper arms and legs??  She knows this - she knows where they're supposed to be.  They need to squeeze the information out of her. Or wring it.  Or beat it. 

Wow, Starwynn intense post!  You managed to put our "hinky" feelings into words and then paint a picture. This part of your post really stood out for me: 
"And I cannot shake the feeling that when he looks down, in his mind he is looking down at what he saw when he saw a dead and harmed Zahra." 

AB just runs all over me.  I do believe he is controlled by EB, but his poorly cloaked deception screams out his culpability in this heinous act towards sweet innocent Zahra. I just find it inconceivable that he is so stupid he actually thinks anyone other than his equally controlling Mother believes his far-fetched story.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: starwynn on March 01, 2011, 04:03:23 PM
It would seem to me since LE was unable to recover all of Zahra's remains, any deal should be null and void. I also don't seem AB as the grieving father. He lived in that household and needs to be accountable as well.

Thank you! I agree.  They didn't find Zahra.  They found her torso.  I have had no end of anger about this, feeling like Zahra - what EB *allowed* police to find - is like a further broken doll, further humiliated by a most important part being hidden (her head).  She perpetuates the crime by holding back the locations - still!  I mean, really - would you forget where you put something like that?  NO.



Hi Starwynn!

Maybe EB doesn't "know" exactly where Zahra's skull is as perhaps AB is the one who disposed of it...?

I thought about that, too.  I would think she would be able to say "Adam took parts a,b,c, and I took d."   
I really have no idea why AB isn't in jail, and it's so offensive to me that he is not.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: starwynn on March 01, 2011, 04:19:25 PM

Wow, Starwynn intense post!  You managed to put our "hinky" feelings into words and then paint a picture. This part of your post really stood out for me: 
"And I cannot shake the feeling that when he looks down, in his mind he is looking down at what he saw when he saw a dead and harmed Zahra." 

AB just runs all over me.  I do believe he is controlled by EB, but his poorly cloaked deception screams out his culpability in this heinous act towards sweet innocent Zahra. I just find it inconceivable that he is so stupid he actually thinks anyone other than his equally controlling Mother believes his far-fetched story.


Unfortunately, at one point in my life I unknowingly allowed a person in my life who was a thief, a manipulator, a habitual liar, and what I call a "survivalist".  Not "survivalist" as in bomb shelter and 20 years worth of food.  But a person who, as a child, somehow determined that in order to survive, they needed to lie, steal, sneak, and cheat.  It didn't matter if you were her friend or enemy; she couldn't help but lie to you, it was such an ingrained habit.  I think of her a lot when I hear stories about EB.  Men (the source of her original need to survive) were thus used to survive; she was a serial man-user, much like EB.  And she knew what men liked, so she cull pull them in like flies to honey.  And then she'd manipulate them, spend their money, had a great house, tons of jewelry, anything she wanted, completely spoiled, while working two or three men.  She didn't marry them.

The men weren't all idiots.  In her case, she liked smart men.  In EB's case, she tends to like insecure men, or men with self-esteem issues.  Adam is not attractive, and he has a daughter already, and lived with mummy, and hadn't much money.  Adam was a loser, a serial batchelor, and EB knows what men like, especially men who either have never 'had any' or don't often come by 'any'.

Adam's his mummy's boy.  She's a bossy-hen, and he likely was comfortable falling in step right behind her (proverbially, and literally as his videos in the US show).  I am shocked that EB won over him, but EB had one thing mummy couldn't provide:  sex.  So EB made Adam (finally) feel like a big boy, and Adam fell in step right behind her to America.

And then got stuck.

I believe that they fought like cats and dogs in their apartment.  I bet he tried to fight, but in the end what was he going to do?  He is too much of a follower (and by now he was in legal trouble by being in the US illegally).  He gave in, followed her to her next place.  Then he started doing what she did:  threatening assault, doing hinky money deals, etc.  She wore him down.  Even Mr. Young still does what EB has him do, doesn't he?  He let her call him her brother for ages, knowing full well how harmful that was to others.

She's good.

Adam probably has gotten away with enough smaller stuff with EB to think that people are just as stupid as she says they are.  She's the fox in the chicken yard, and she taught him to be like her.  I'm sure she held his immigration status, and the US's death penalty, over his head when she told him he needed to take his daughter out and use that equipment on her.  She said it - she thought she was going to save them both!  I would take that as a full truth, only not just in regards to the letter - but to everything.  She couldn't, after all, have HIM caught - because she would be looked at, too.

I think he thinks, through EB's coaching, that we really are that stupid.  Obviously, we're empowering that thought process by so far allowing him out of jail and now only prosecuting EB and not him.

Maybe he's right?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 01, 2011, 08:34:52 PM
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Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: TnMuse on March 02, 2011, 12:25:27 AM

Unfortunately, at one point in my life I unknowingly allowed a person in my life who was a thief, a manipulator, a habitual liar, and what I call a "survivalist".  Not "survivalist" as in bomb shelter and 20 years worth of food.  But a person who, as a child, somehow determined that in order to survive, they needed to lie, steal, sneak, and cheat.  It didn't matter if you were her friend or enemy; she couldn't help but lie to you, it was such an ingrained habit.  I think of her a lot when I hear stories about EB.  Men (the source of her original need to survive) were thus used to survive; she was a serial man-user, much like EB.  And she knew what men liked, so she cull pull them in like flies to honey.  And then she'd manipulate them, spend their money, had a great house, tons of jewelry, anything she wanted, completely spoiled, while working two or three men.  She didn't marry them.

The men weren't all idiots.  In her case, she liked smart men.  In EB's case, she tends to like insecure men, or men with self-esteem issues.  Adam is not attractive, and he has a daughter already, and lived with mummy, and hadn't much money.  Adam was a loser, a serial batchelor, and EB knows what men like, especially men who either have never 'had any' or don't often come by 'any'.

Adam's his mummy's boy.  She's a bossy-hen, and he likely was comfortable falling in step right behind her (proverbially, and literally as his videos in the US show).  I am shocked that EB won over him, but EB had one thing mummy couldn't provide:  sex.  So EB made Adam (finally) feel like a big boy, and Adam fell in step right behind her to America.

And then got stuck.

I believe that they fought like cats and dogs in their apartment.  I bet he tried to fight, but in the end what was he going to do?  He is too much of a follower (and by now he was in legal trouble by being in the US illegally).  He gave in, followed her to her next place.  Then he started doing what she did:  threatening assault, doing hinky money deals, etc.  She wore him down.  Even Mr. Young still does what EB has him do, doesn't he?  He let her call him her brother for ages, knowing full well how harmful that was to others.

She's good.

Adam probably has gotten away with enough smaller stuff with EB to think that people are just as stupid as she says they are.  She's the fox in the chicken yard, and she taught him to be like her.  I'm sure she held his immigration status, and the US's death penalty, over his head when she told him he needed to take his daughter out and use that equipment on her.  She said it - she thought she was going to save them both!  I would take that as a full truth, only not just in regards to the letter - but to everything.  She couldn't, after all, have HIM caught - because she would be looked at, too.

I think he thinks, through EB's coaching, that we really are that stupid.  Obviously, we're empowering that thought process by so far allowing him out of jail and now only prosecuting EB and not him.

Maybe he's right?

I have also known a few people with the personality traits of a "survivalist". The hurt they cause to almost everyone whose lives they touch can be devastating.  I realize people like this have no conscience, but that's the only part I understand.

I believe your insight into this whole situation is right on target.  You are right about Mr. Young, but isn't it also amazing that everyone else in the family protected her secret too?  Like you said: "She's Good".
 
I think LE's tactics of letting AB roam free are to further enrage EB so she will talk some more.  That is what worked in the past.   But IMO it is time to take AB out from under Mummy's thumb to see if HE crumbles when there's no one around him to call the shots.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: starwynn on March 02, 2011, 02:03:05 AM

I have also known a few people with the personality traits of a "survivalist". The hurt they cause to almost everyone whose lives they touch can be devastating.  I realize people like this have no conscience, but that's the only part I understand.

I believe your insight into this whole situation is right on target.  You are right about Mr. Young, but isn't it also amazing that everyone else in the family protected her secret too?  Like you said: "She's Good".
 
I think LE's tactics of letting AB roam free are to further enrage EB so she will talk some more.  That is what worked in the past.   But IMO it is time to take AB out from under Mummy's thumb to see if HE crumbles when there's no one around him to call the shots.

Oh that's an interesting thought.  Do you think that the lawyer, and his limited contact with his mom, would buffer him enough to keep him from crumbling?  I hadn't thought about that, that and what being finally put into jail (when apparently he thinks he's scott-free) would do to his confidence.

Sometimes I wish I knew what their strategy was, because it can really get frustrating.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: 4getUnot on March 02, 2011, 08:56:12 PM
Hi Dear Monkeys,

FWIW look what made the front page of the paper today!

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/mar/01/attorney-cited-driving-without-license-and-speedin-ar-824547/
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Attorney cited for driving without a license and speeding

Hickory --
High-profile Hickory attorney Lisa Dubs was cited for driving without an operator’s license and driving 70 miles per hour in a 55-mph zone last week.
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I hope justice for Zahra doesn't get side tracked by politics etc.  This case has upset me like none other, probably because it is in my neck of the woods. 



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: TnMuse on March 03, 2011, 01:09:25 AM

I think LE's tactics of letting AB roam free are to further enrage EB so she will talk some more.  That is what worked in the past.   But IMO it is time to take AB out from under Mummy's thumb to see if HE crumbles when there's no one around him to call the shots.

Oh that's an interesting thought.  Do you think that the lawyer, and his limited contact with his mom, would buffer him enough to keep him from crumbling?  I hadn't thought about that, that and what being finally put into jail (when apparently he thinks he's scott-free) would do to his confidence.

Sometimes I wish I knew what their strategy was, because it can really get frustrating.

It would be nice to know their stategy, but I guess the most we can do is just hope that whatever it is...it works.  They really didn't do too bad with Elisa so far, I don't think they would have even part of a body without her input. 

I do believe limiting contact with his Mother and lawyer may help AB to forget what he is supposed to say or not supposed to say.  He was without Elisa just a few days when he got his story mixed up as to how he learned that Zahra was missing.

Elisa was with him when he made this 911 call:
http://www.wbtv.com/global/story.asp?s=13351620      (Transcript)
ADAM BAKER: The police were out here last night. They found a ransom note for my bosses daughter… um… I got up a little while ago… and it appears they took my daughter instead of my bosses daughter.

After Elisa was arrested and he's alone ....he tells the story this way in an interview: 
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/search-zahra-clare-baker-stepmom-custody-11848861
"yeah, I was...I came back from looking at a job and started to work in the yard and uh her Mother came out and....started screaming that Zahra was missing.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on March 03, 2011, 06:05:59 AM
It looks cute - I hope they're able to do it, and that the kids enjoy it.  I wish she could have.


I keep trying to focus on the awesome playground she has access to now!

Awesome, Nana!

 ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 05, 2011, 07:47:00 PM
Sorry for the intrusion.....

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Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Sister on March 06, 2011, 09:59:05 AM
Sorry for the intrusion.....

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Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Brandi on March 07, 2011, 12:55:14 PM
Elisa Baker's court appearance postponed
By: News 14 Carolina Staff

CATAWBA COUNTY, N.C. — A court appearance for Zahra Baker's stepmother Monday has been postponed. Elisa Baker was expected in court on charges of bigamy and obstructing justice.

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http://charlotte.news14.com/content/top_stories/637689/elisa-baker-s-court-appearance-postponed


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on March 08, 2011, 05:21:44 AM
When Justice arrives on Zahra's behalf, may she be fierce to Elisa and Adam!

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Case/Justice-for-zahra1.gif)

Thank you for this CBB.

I just love that picture.



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: SuzieQ on March 08, 2011, 04:03:40 PM
http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=14209132

Evidence in Zahra's murder case will take months to process, attorney says

NEWTON, NC (WBTV) - The woman indicted last month in the death and dismemberment of Zahra Baker was scheduled to appear in court Tuesday morning on obstruction of justice and bigamy charges, but the charges were continued to future dates.

Last month, Elisa Baker was arraigned on an indictment for second-degree murder in the death of her stepdaughter, Zahra, who was reported missing in October of 2010.

Defense attorney Scott Reilly was also appointed at that time by the court to represent Baker who is being held in jail.

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Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on March 09, 2011, 12:10:09 PM
http://callsforjustice.wordpress.com/
Elisa Baker Court Appearances Postponed
03/09/2011 donchais


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on March 15, 2011, 11:28:24 PM
Amazing that we have no new NEWS on Zahra !
I hope this is moving along with LE faster than we seem to see. ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 16, 2011, 08:24:27 PM
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Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: starwynn on March 19, 2011, 02:27:59 AM
Zahra, you are not forgotten.  We await the justice that is, surely, yours.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Sister on March 19, 2011, 02:34:13 PM
Zahra, you are not forgotten.  We await the justice that is, surely, yours.
Absolutely, starwynn!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Brandi on March 19, 2011, 06:20:17 PM
Zahra, you are not forgotten.  We await the justice that is, surely, yours.
Absolutely, starwynn!

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Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Sister on March 19, 2011, 07:55:41 PM
Zahra, you are not forgotten.  We await the justice that is, surely, yours.
Absolutely, starwynn!

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/ZahraClareBaker/zahra-star5.gif)



Just beautiful Brandi, twinkling star and all!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: starwynn on March 19, 2011, 11:07:59 PM
Zahra, you are not forgotten.  We await the justice that is, surely, yours.
Absolutely, starwynn!

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/ZahraClareBaker/zahra-star5.gif)



Beautiful, Brandi!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Brandi on March 21, 2011, 04:50:30 PM
More felony indictments filed against woman accused of killing Zahra Baker
http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=14291181

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On Monday, two felony indictments were filed against Elisa Baker for obtaining property by false pretense.

The indictments alleged that Baker pawned two items she did not legally own, a television and a pressure washer, at Hickory Pawn and Gun shop.

Also on Monday, Elisa Baker's attorney, Scott Reilly, told WBTV he plans to plead 'not guilty' to all charges that have been filed against his client.

Reilly also said he is very concerned his client will not get a fair trial unless a change of venue is granted due to all the publicity surrounding Zahra's death. He said the cost would be "astronomical" to the state.
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Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on March 21, 2011, 06:40:28 PM
http://www.wsoctv.com/news/27267343/detail.html
Elisa Baker’s Attorney Wants Case Moved Out Of Area
Posted: 4:22 pm EDT March 21, 2011Updated: 5:36 pm EDT March 21, 2011
Video Report at Link
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“I can't imagine her getting a fair trial in this area, and I can't think of an area around here where she could get a fair trial,” Reilly said.

He said when Elisa Baker gets her day in court, it should be far away from the county where she's accused of killing and dismembering her stepdaughter. He said he thinks the other felony cases should be moved, too.

“I don't see any way around it, because she's entitled to a fair trial no matter how big or how small,” Reilly said.

The District Attorney’s Office said it is up to a judge to decide on any possible change of venue.

The case could end up far from the Charlotte area, in the eastern part of the state. The question potential jurors must answer is not whether they've heard of Elisa and Zahra Baker, but whether they can they be fair.

Many of the people Channel 9 spoke to at the courthouse on Monday said that would be a difficult task for them.
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Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on March 22, 2011, 08:55:26 AM
http://callsforjustice.wordpress.com/
Elisa Baker – The Hits Just Keep Coming
03/22/2011 donchais


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Sister on March 22, 2011, 09:07:43 AM
http://callsforjustice.wordpress.com/
Elisa Baker – The Hits Just Keep Coming
03/22/2011 donchais
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What is really impressive with these latest indictments is it brings her grand total to eight felonies!

Catawba County
- 1 counts of second-degree murder
- 1 count of bigamy
- 2 counts of obtaining property by false pretense

Caldwell County
- 2 counts of financial identity fraud
- 2 counts of obtaining property by false pretenses
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Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: starwynn on March 22, 2011, 06:17:50 PM
http://callsforjustice.wordpress.com/
Elisa Baker – The Hits Just Keep Coming
03/22/2011 donchais
::snipping2::
What is really impressive with these latest indictments is it brings her grand total to eight felonies!

Catawba County
- 1 counts of second-degree murder
- 1 count of bigamy
- 2 counts of obtaining property by false pretense

Caldwell County
- 2 counts of financial identity fraud
- 2 counts of obtaining property by false pretenses
 ::snipping2::

She's certainly not going to be going anywhere is she?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: SuzieQ on April 04, 2011, 02:50:02 PM
http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Defense-lawyer-wants-venue-change-in-Baker-case-119188559.html

NEWTON, N.C. -- Elisa Baker nearly fainted in court Monday, as prosecutors tried to schedule her for trial on charges that she obstructed justice by writing a phony ransom note to throw off investigators looking into the disappearance of Baker's stepdaughter, Zahra.

Baker's attorney poured her a cup of water and court bailiffs helped her to a seat. It was unclear what the problem was.

When the hearing resumed, Superior Court Judge Eric Levinson denied the Catawba prosecutor’s attempt to set her obstruction trial for May.

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Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: starwynn on April 04, 2011, 09:22:12 PM
http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Defense-lawyer-wants-venue-change-in-Baker-case-119188559.html

NEWTON, N.C. -- Elisa Baker nearly fainted in court Monday, as prosecutors tried to schedule her for trial on charges that she obstructed justice by writing a phony ransom note to throw off investigators looking into the disappearance of Baker's stepdaughter, Zahra.

Baker's attorney poured her a cup of water and court bailiffs helped her to a seat. It was unclear what the problem was.

When the hearing resumed, Superior Court Judge Eric Levinson denied the Catawba prosecutor’s attempt to set her obstruction trial for May.

 ::snipping2::

Aww Mrs. Baker had a case of the vapors, poor dear.  Amazing how she can't get through a simple court procedure, and yet she managed to do horrible things to a perfectly lovely young lady!  Sounds like the vapors were more of a case of "trying to get things postponed one more day".

So Mrs. Baker, who do you think they'll choose to play you in the movie?  I'm going for that big slobbery dog that was in the Beethoven movies.  Think he can faint on command?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: cookie on April 04, 2011, 09:25:01 PM
Ma Baker makes me ill..she is pure evil through and through. ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Brandi on April 04, 2011, 09:25:36 PM
http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Defense-lawyer-wants-venue-change-in-Baker-case-119188559.html

NEWTON, N.C. -- Elisa Baker nearly fainted in court Monday, as prosecutors tried to schedule her for trial on charges that she obstructed justice by writing a phony ransom note to throw off investigators looking into the disappearance of Baker's stepdaughter, Zahra.

Baker's attorney poured her a cup of water and court bailiffs helped her to a seat. It was unclear what the problem was.

When the hearing resumed, Superior Court Judge Eric Levinson denied the Catawba prosecutor’s attempt to set her obstruction trial for May.

 ::snipping2::

Thanks, SuzieQ.

Instead, the delayed hearings on both the obstruction and second-degree murder charges against Baker [are scheduled for] June 27.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Brandi on April 04, 2011, 09:31:05 PM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/ZahraClareBaker/a63329d5.jpg)

Elisa Baker appears in court, has near-collapse
Defense attorney, prosecutor argue about setting a date for trial


http://www2.mooresvilletribune.com/news/2011/apr/04/16/baker-appears-court-has-near-collapse-ar-918445/


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Brandi on April 04, 2011, 09:33:22 PM
Attorney: Murder suspect to seek change of venue
By the CNN Wire Staff
April 4, 2011 6:33 p.m. EDT

(CNN) -- An attorney for Elisa Baker, the stepmother accused of killing 10-year-old Zahra Baker, said Monday he plans to file for a change of venue because of the publicity the North Carolina case has received.

<snipped>

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/04/04/north.carolina.slain.girl/index.html?section=cnn_latest


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: cookie on April 04, 2011, 09:34:56 PM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/ZahraClareBaker/a63329d5.jpg)

Elisa Baker appears in court, has near-collapse
Defense attorney, prosecutor argue about setting a date for trial


http://www2.mooresvilletribune.com/news/2011/apr/04/16/baker-appears-court-has-near-collapse-ar-918445/

waa waa! cry me a river


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Brandi on April 04, 2011, 09:39:47 PM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/ZahraClareBaker/a63329d5.jpg)

Elisa Baker appears in court, has near-collapse
Defense attorney, prosecutor argue about setting a date for trial


http://www2.mooresvilletribune.com/news/2011/apr/04/16/baker-appears-court-has-near-collapse-ar-918445/

waa waa! cry me a river

She looks very evil to me in this picture.

As evil as I think she is.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: statru on April 05, 2011, 01:09:10 PM
I am LOL at the prosecutor wanting a change of venue...where's he gonna take her? Siberia? This case was/is international! Good luck with that....


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: statru on April 11, 2011, 03:42:45 PM
News article on WSOC Adam wants his passport back so he can leave the country...

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/27506939/detail.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: cookie on April 11, 2011, 03:45:55 PM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/ZahraClareBaker/a63329d5.jpg)

Elisa Baker appears in court, has near-collapse
Defense attorney, prosecutor argue about setting a date for trial


http://www2.mooresvilletribune.com/news/2011/apr/04/16/baker-appears-court-has-near-collapse-ar-918445/


waa waa! cry me a river

She looks very evil to me in this picture.

As evil as I think she is.

agreed..very evil


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: SuzieQ on April 11, 2011, 09:06:26 PM
News article on WSOC Adam wants his passport back so he can leave the country...

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/27506939/detail.html


Put on a little weight, I see.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Sister on April 12, 2011, 07:37:27 AM
News article on WSOC Adam wants his passport back so he can leave the country...

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/27506939/detail.html


Put on a little weight, I see.
I bet he does want to leave the country . . . they should not give him the passport back until after "his" trial IMO


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: statru on April 12, 2011, 06:31:40 PM
He was arrested today! let me get the link...not related to Zahra's death..but at least his ass in jail.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: statru on April 12, 2011, 06:32:56 PM
Zahra Baker's father arrested in Hickory, faces felony charges


http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=14433206

 ::snipping2::
HICKORY, NC (WBTV) - The father of 10-year-old Zahra Baker, who was killed and dismembered last fall, was arrested by police in Hickory on Tuesday and faces felony charges.

According to police, Adam Baker was arrested and charged with one count of Identity Theft and one count of Obtaining Property by False Pretense.  Both of these charges are felonies, police say.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Curly on April 12, 2011, 07:01:46 PM
Zahra Baker's father arrested in Hickory, faces felony charges


http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=14433206

 ::snipping2::
HICKORY, NC (WBTV) - The father of 10-year-old Zahra Baker, who was killed and dismembered last fall, was arrested by police in Hickory on Tuesday and faces felony charges.

According to police, Adam Baker was arrested and charged with one count of Identity Theft and one count of Obtaining Property by False Pretense.  Both of these charges are felonies, police say.
 ::snipping2::

Nice try, Adam you loser.
Here's your passport...to jail.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on April 12, 2011, 07:33:22 PM
http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/apr/12/adam-baker-arrested-2-felonies-ar-942670/
Adam Baker arrested on 2 felonies
April 12, 2011

ICKORY --

Adam Baker was arrested Tuesday on two felony charges.

Hickory police charged Baker with one count each of identity theft and obtaining property by false pretense.

The charges come from Baker getting services from Duke Energy in the name of James Starbuck at his home on 21st Avenue, NW, in Hickory, said Maj. Clyde Deal with the Hickory Police Department.

Adam and his family moved to the house in mid-July from Caldwell County.

“It was about the time they moved into the house,” said Capt. Thurman Whisnant with the Hickory Police Department. “It was for activation of services at the house.”

Baker was placed in jail under a $10,000 secured bond. However, by 5:15 p.m. Tuesday, he had already bonded out of jail.

Whisnant could not speculate whether Baker would be facing additional charges.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on April 12, 2011, 07:44:52 PM
http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Adam-Baker-arrested-by-Hickory-police--119725369.html
Hickory police arrest Adam Baker
April 12, 2011

HICKORY, N.C. – The father of Zahra Baker has been arrested again, on charges unrelated to the young girl’s death.

Hickory police arrested Adam Baker on charges of identity theft and obtaining property under false pretense on Tuesday.  ::snipping2::

He is scheduled to appear in court Wednesday morning.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Curly on April 12, 2011, 08:46:23 PM
http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/apr/12/adam-baker-arrested-2-felonies-ar-942670/
Adam Baker arrested on 2 felonies
April 12, 2011

ICKORY --

Adam Baker was arrested Tuesday on two felony charges.

Hickory police charged Baker with one count each of identity theft and obtaining property by false pretense.

The charges come from Baker getting services from Duke Energy in the name of James Starbuck at his home on 21st Avenue, NW, in Hickory, said Maj. Clyde Deal with the Hickory Police Department.

Adam and his family moved to the house in mid-July from Caldwell County.

“It was about the time they moved into the house,” said Capt. Thurman Whisnant with the Hickory Police Department. “It was for activation of services at the house.”

Baker was placed in jail under a $10,000 secured bond. However, by 5:15 p.m. Tuesday, he had already bonded out of jail.

Whisnant could not speculate whether Baker would be facing additional charges.
 ::snipping2::

Hmm..Guess it'safe to say Ma Baker must still be here with her lying son.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on April 13, 2011, 12:01:04 PM

Zahra Baker's father goes to jail and will stay there



The father of 10-year-old Zahra Baker, whose disappearance and death captured hearts worldwide, made his first court appearance this morning on felony charges of identity theft and obtaining property by false pretences. He faces up to 30 months in prison if found guilty.

Immigration officials have also placed a detainer on Baker, meaning even if he posts the $10,000 bond, he will remain in custody. Baker has been living in the United States illegally, according to Catawba County jail officials.

Adam Baker stood silently in a green jail uniform as the judge read the charges. Hickory Attorney Mark Killian was appointed as his defense lawyer.   ::snipping2::

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/04/13/2220439/adam-baker-goes-to-jail-and-will.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on April 13, 2011, 12:02:40 PM
Zahra's dad detained in US after court appearance on new felony charges

HICKORY, NC (WBTV) - In the same week he had hoped to get an answer on having his passport returned so he could fly back to his home country of Australia, the father of 10-year-old Zahra Baker was hit with new felony charges -- and authorities have issued a "detainer" against the man, keeping him in the U.S.

According to the Hickory Police Department, Adam Baker was arrested and charged with one count of identity theft and one count of obtaining property by false pretense on Tuesday afternoon.

Baker appeared in court Wednesday morning for the felony charges and he was given a court-appointed attorney. A probable cause hearing was set for May 4 and Baker was held on a $10,000 bond.

In addition, immigration officials have now issued a detainer against Baker which prohibits him from leaving the country even if he posts bond.

Once all of Baker's legal issues are resolved, he will be deported said an official with the Hickory Police Department.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.wect.com/Global/story.asp?S=14433206


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on April 13, 2011, 12:03:27 PM
Zahra Baker's Father Charged with ID Theft, Fraud

http://www.myfox8.com/news/wghp-story-zahra-baker-stepfather-110413,0,6204300.story


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on April 13, 2011, 12:07:52 PM
Adam Baker Jailed on Charges of ID Theft; False Pretense
4/13/2011 6:20:33 AM

(http://www.whky.com/sendbinary.asp?path=wwwroot\newsimages\Baker Adam Troy1 041311.gif&Width=200)

33-year-old Adam Troy Baker of Kristen Lane in Hudson was arrested by Hickory Police yesterday on one count of identity theft and one count of obtaining property by false pretense.  The charges are related to services provided to Baker by Duke Energy.    ::snipping2::

http://www.whky.com/news.asp?mode=detail&articleID=16587


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Curly on April 13, 2011, 12:10:29 PM
Zahra's dad detained in US after court appearance on new felony charges

HICKORY, NC (WBTV) - In the same week he had hoped to get an answer on having his passport returned so he could fly back to his home country of Australia, the father of 10-year-old Zahra Baker was hit with new felony charges -- and authorities have issued a "detainer" against the man, keeping him in the U.S.

According to the Hickory Police Department, Adam Baker was arrested and charged with one count of identity theft and one count of obtaining property by false pretense on Tuesday afternoon.

Baker appeared in court Wednesday morning for the felony charges and he was given a court-appointed attorney. A probable cause hearing was set for May 4 and Baker was held on a $10,000 bond.

In addition, immigration officials have now issued a detainer against Baker which prohibits him from leaving the country even if he posts bond.

Once all of Baker's legal issues are resolved, he will be deported said an official with the Hickory Police Department.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.wect.com/Global/story.asp?S=14433206

Deported? Another free ride?
They should make him pay to leave this country after he's treid for his part in Zahra's death.
They can send him home in a body bag.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on April 13, 2011, 12:12:56 PM
Businesses raising money for playground in memory of Zahra Baker

HICKORY, NC (WBTV) - Three grocery stores in Hickory are joining with the Kiwanis Club to sell support cards for the Zahra Baker All-Children's playground.

Baker is the 10-year-old girl who was reported missing by her father, Adam, last October. Several weeks later, her dismembered body was found in Caldwell County. Zahra's stepmother, Elisa, has since been indicted on second-degree murder charges in connection with Zahra's death. Read related story about charges now filed against Adam Baker. 

Three Fresh Air Galaxy grocery stores are now selling support cards for $1, $5 and $10 to raise funds to building the playground in memory of Zahra.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=14438322


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on April 13, 2011, 01:31:51 PM
Police: Adam Baker in the U.S. illegally

HICKORY -- Hickory police say Adam Baker is in the United States illegally. They say ICE has a detainer on Baker, so when his legal issues are resolved, he will be deported. Police also say the new charges of identity theft and obtaining property by false pretense against Zahra Baker's father were expedited once they heard that Baker wanted to go back to Australia.

 ::snipping2::

http://charlotte.news14.com/content/local_news/triangle/639519/police--adam-baker-in-the-u-s--illegally?ap=1&MP4


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on April 13, 2011, 01:33:49 PM
Adam Baker charged with identity theft, fraud

HICKORY, N.C. (AP) — The father of a disabled girl killed in North Carolina last year has been arrested on two fraud charges.

Hickory police have charged Adam Baker with identity theft and obtaining property by false pretense.

Maj. Clyde Deal says Baker is accused of obtaining service from Duke Energy last July using another man's name.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.foxcharlotte.com/news/nc-news/119776329.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: SuzieQ on April 13, 2011, 01:45:23 PM
Adam Baker charged with identity theft, fraud

HICKORY, N.C. (AP) — The father of a disabled girl killed in North Carolina last year has been arrested on two fraud charges.

Hickory police have charged Adam Baker with identity theft and obtaining property by false pretense.

Maj. Clyde Deal says Baker is accused of obtaining service from Duke Energy last July using another man's name.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.foxcharlotte.com/news/nc-news/119776329.html

Thank you Northern Rose, glad you are back.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on April 13, 2011, 01:50:45 PM
Adam Baker charged with identity theft, fraud

HICKORY, N.C. (AP) — The father of a disabled girl killed in North Carolina last year has been arrested on two fraud charges.

Hickory police have charged Adam Baker with identity theft and obtaining property by false pretense.

Maj. Clyde Deal says Baker is accused of obtaining service from Duke Energy last July using another man's name.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.foxcharlotte.com/news/nc-news/119776329.html

Thank you Northern Rose, glad you are back.

Thank you SuzieQ, it is a nice break to be back.  I am so happy Adam is arrested.  Wonder what Ma Baker is thinking of her spawn now?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on April 13, 2011, 10:14:47 PM
Video: Adam Baker makes court appearance

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/apr/13/1/video-adam-baker-makes-court-appearanc-49506-vi-31323/


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: SuzieQ on April 13, 2011, 10:35:52 PM
http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/apr/13/adam-baker-somber-court-appearance-felonies-ar-945533/

Adam Baker somber in court appearance on felonies
Possibility of him leaving the country prompted police to act


 ::snipping2::

As Baker walked into the courtroom in lime green scrubs, chains clanking around his ankles and wrists, he surveyed the courtroom and sighed. He sat into the jury box and waited for the judge to call his name on the docket. He did not look at his mother, Karen, who was sitting in the last row of the gallery with a friend

 ::snipping2::


Looks like Ma Baker is still in town.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Brandi on April 13, 2011, 11:18:48 PM
http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/apr/13/adam-baker-somber-court-appearance-felonies-ar-945533/

Adam Baker somber in court appearance on felonies
Possibility of him leaving the country prompted police to act


 ::snipping2::

As Baker walked into the courtroom in lime green scrubs, chains clanking around his ankles and wrists, he surveyed the courtroom and sighed. He sat into the jury box and waited for the judge to call his name on the docket. He did not look at his mother, Karen, who was sitting in the last row of the gallery with a friend

 ::snipping2::


Looks like Ma Baker is still in town.

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/ZahraClareBaker/Image176.png)

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/ZahraClareBaker/Image177.png)

..and her darling son seems to have a bit of an attitude.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Brandi on April 13, 2011, 11:20:50 PM
http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/apr/13/adam-baker-somber-court-appearance-felonies-ar-945533/

Adam Baker somber in court appearance on felonies
Possibility of him leaving the country prompted police to act


 ::snipping2::

As Baker walked into the courtroom in lime green scrubs, chains clanking around his ankles and wrists, he surveyed the courtroom and sighed. He sat into the jury box and waited for the judge to call his name on the docket. He did not look at his mother, Karen, who was sitting in the last row of the gallery with a friend

 ::snipping2::


Looks like Ma Baker is still in town.

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/ZahraClareBaker/Image176.png)

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/ZahraClareBaker/Image177.png)

..and her darling son seems to have a bit of an attitude.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

One more:

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/ZahraClareBaker/Image178.png)


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on April 14, 2011, 12:28:07 PM
http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/apr/13/adam-baker-somber-court-appearance-felonies-ar-945533/

 ::snipping2::

“We got the court order in January (on the charges),” said Maj. Clyde Deal with the Hickory Police Department. “There’s a lot more to this than people think.”

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: SuzieQ on April 14, 2011, 01:29:28 PM
http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/apr/13/adam-baker-somber-court-appearance-felonies-ar-945533/

 ::snipping2::

“We got the court order in January (on the charges),” said Maj. Clyde Deal with the Hickory Police Department. “There’s a lot more to this than people think.” ::snipping2::


I sure hope so. Hope this is just the beginning of charges.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 14, 2011, 10:30:17 PM
I don;t think he is free and clear with regards to Zahra. They want to keep him available in the USA for Elisa's trail for starters and also there might be, IMO some charges on felony child neglect. I hope he is afraid, as fearful as Zahra was during her last days in this world.
There is no way he didn't see her because he left early and got home early. Plus the fact of the cleaning up, the new mattress and all the disposal that happened. How could tht have happened in such a small house with no awareness ? It didn't. 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on April 16, 2011, 02:01:43 AM

Zahra Baker case: Hickory PD serves Adam a big helping of ‘get a clue’

Posted on April 13, 2011 by Valhall
Adam Baker, sperm-donor to murdered Zahra Baker, apparently has never been able to read between the lines well.  That observation shouldn’t surprise anyone because Adam has already made clear he wants us to believe that while living in a 900 sq ft house, only slightly larger than a family-sized Velveeta Cheese box, his daughter was murdered, dismembered and he didn’t have a clue it had happened for 2 weeks!  Allegedly, according to statements made by Adam himself, he wants us to believe this mind-blowing deception was pulled off with…pillows.

Anywho, the fugly, phat oaf who has been portrayed by himself and his supporters as being only slightly more functional than a stewed rutabaga thinks, apparently, that everyone believes his bullcrap and that he’s already rounded third and headed for home.  Home as in Australia, that is.  I think Hickory police department just pulled off a triple play.  Adam Slap-my-back-Bumwaller Baker waddled into home only to find the plate had been taken.
Continue reading → ::MonkeyGavel::

I found this at the "Hinky Meter," and really enjoyed reading it. Adam Baker is certainly awarded an honest opinion of his current and past situations with LE !

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Sister on April 16, 2011, 04:22:07 AM
I don;t think he is free and clear with regards to Zahra. They want to keep him available in the USA for Elisa's trail for starters and also there might be, IMO some charges on felony child neglect. I hope he is afraid, as fearful as Zahra was during her last days in this world.
There is no way he didn't see her because he left early and got home early. Plus the fact of the cleaning up, the new mattress and all the disposal that happened. How could tht have happened in such a small house with no awareness ? It didn't. 
Kat_Gram, you are so right!  When I was ready the latest I could help but hum "You Ain't See Nothing Yet."  Couldn't happen to a more appropriate POS.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: starwynn on April 16, 2011, 10:03:30 PM
He looks great in lime!  It suits him.  :D   I wonder how stripes would look on him.  Let him get used to them.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: SuzieQ on April 19, 2011, 10:08:49 PM
http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/apr/19/3/adam-baker-out-jail-wearing-ankle-monitor-ar-962161/

Adam Baker out of jail, wearing ankle monitor
Immigration officials are keeping tabs on him.

In the span of a few days, Adam Baker has bonded out of jail, been indicted by a grand jury and was taken into custody by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

Bail bondsman Bradley Rowe posted Baker’s bond on Saturday, said Catawba County Clerk Al Jean Bogle. Baker’s bond was set at $10,000 secured.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Curly on April 19, 2011, 10:13:01 PM
http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/apr/19/3/adam-baker-out-jail-wearing-ankle-monitor-ar-962161/

Adam Baker out of jail, wearing ankle monitor
Immigration officials are keeping tabs on him.

In the span of a few days, Adam Baker has bonded out of jail, been indicted by a grand jury and was taken into custody by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

Bail bondsman Bradley Rowe posted Baker’s bond on Saturday, said Catawba County Clerk Al Jean Bogle. Baker’s bond was set at $10,000 secured.

 ::snipping2::

Figures.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on April 19, 2011, 10:59:14 PM
 ::snipping2::

That Adam Troy Baker, 38, had been in federal contact since January 2004, according to Tracy Billingsly, a spokesperson for the Federal Bureau of Prisons. He was most recently incarcerated in 2009. That was before Baker, 33, came to the U.S.

 ::snipping2::

Killian is upset about the newest charges filed against Baker.

“These charges blindsided us,” he said. “And they could be a problem because he’s facing two felony charges. He has a Fifth Amendment right not to incriminate himself and these are in the periphery of the case (against his wife, Elisa).”

 ::snipping2::

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/apr/19/3/adam-baker-out-jail-wearing-ankle-monitor-ar-962161/


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: SuzieQ on April 20, 2011, 03:48:43 PM
Only known video of Zahra:

http://www2.journalnow.com/news/2011/apr/19/video-only-known-video-of-zahra-baker-84700-vi-31581/


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on April 20, 2011, 04:00:58 PM
Only known video of Zahra:

http://www2.journalnow.com/news/2011/apr/19/video-only-known-video-of-zahra-baker-84700-vi-31581/
Thanks SuzieQ.
Zahra was a beautiful child.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: SuzieQ on April 21, 2011, 03:02:05 PM
http://www.wbtv.com/story/14485061/zahra-bakers-father-is-out-of-jail-but-what-now

By Steve Ohnesorge, Western Bureau Reporter - bio | email

HICKORY,NC  (WBTV) – Federal authorities are now involved in the case of Adam Baker, the father of 10-year-old Zahra Baker, the little girl that police believe was murdered by her stepmother.  His attorney says Adam Baker is now stuck.

"He's in limbo right now and we don't know what is going to happen," attorney Mark Killian told WBTV.

 ::snipping2::

"With his immigration status, he can't work and his family doesn't have many resources left to support him."  Killian added that Baker has to "rely on the charity of others."

Killian said it could be a year of longer before Baker's charges are all resolved and he still has not heard if Baker will be needed in the trial of Elisa Baker.

That case may not get to a courtroom for years, said Killian.  The attorney said he will explore all options.

 ::snipping2::



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: SuzieQ on April 21, 2011, 03:05:39 PM
Some of the comments to the above article. Love them

LisaDe
Here's a suggestion to solve Adam Baker's problem. Lock him up in jail as accessory to his daughter's murder and dismemberment of her body. Then he will have 3 hots and a cot. Problem solved.

I would rather he rattle around homeless for a year or two THEN get charged with murder.

southerngal67
If he and his family are so broke then they should have left his rear in jail. He had a roof over his head and food to eat. Karen could have gone home until time for a trial. Why oh why should someone give this fool a job? And who can give him a job? He's illegal for goodness sakes!
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Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Wyks on April 24, 2011, 07:04:10 PM
Since he's supposedly broke, not working, I'd like to know how he even got the bail money.  I agree with what others have said, he 'should have' just been left in jail, for criminees sake.   


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on April 27, 2011, 11:52:45 PM
Does anyone recall if it was decided WHO would receive Z's ashes ?
Were they given to Emily or Adam or nobody ?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on April 28, 2011, 01:01:06 PM
DA pushes for more restrictions in Adam Baker release

http://www.wcnc.com/home/DA-pushes-for-more-restrictions-in-Adam-Baker-release--120819564.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on April 28, 2011, 01:02:19 PM
DA seeks tougher bond restrictions for Adam Baker

 ::snipping2::

Immigration authorities are monitoring Baker's whereabouts with the aid of an ankle-monitoring device.

Under federal monitoring, Baker is not allowed to leave the state without permission.

The District Attorney wants his office to be notified in writing if Baker receives permission from federal authorities to leave North Carolina.

Officials also say they are reviewing his bond amount and they may ask for even more travel restrictions.

The DA asked a judge to make the changes on Wednesday, April 27, but the judge delayed taking any action until a hearing which is scheduled for Wednesday, May 4.

http://www.wbtv.com/story/14526897/da-seeking-tougher-bond-restrictions-for-adam-baker


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on April 28, 2011, 01:02:48 PM
Hickory teen writes song inspired by Zahra Baker

http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Hickory-teen-writes-song-inspired-by-Zahra-Baker--120735119.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on April 28, 2011, 01:03:23 PM
HPD investigator resigns after DWI guilty verdict

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/apr/22/hpd-investigator-resigns-after-dwi-guilty-verdict-ar-971618/


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on April 28, 2011, 01:03:49 PM
Zahra's Playground to benefit from tournament
L-R's Student Occupational Therapy Association is hosting a volleyball tournament Saturday for Zahra's Playground.

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/apr/27/3/zahras-playground-benefit-lr-volleyball-tournament-ar-985447/


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on April 28, 2011, 01:05:59 PM
Does anyone recall if it was decided WHO would receive Z's ashes ?
Were they given to Emily or Adam or nobody ?

I do not recall anything official about this.  I have no doubt that Ma Baker is not only hanging around to fatten up  support her spawn, but also ensure she gets possession of Zahra's remains.  JMO


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on April 28, 2011, 02:10:57 PM
Just put him in a cage. NOT a jail cage or cell either.
A cage, like a zoo cage. Leave his butt
there indefinetly until he talks, and NO food, only water !
I approve of water boarding for his pathetic soul also.

I am a peace loving person, but this is dragging out way too long
to suit me, and time for accountability here folks. ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on April 30, 2011, 08:49:31 PM
NEWTON --
Check charges against Adam Baker dropped

Adam Baker no longer faces worthless-check charges in Catawba County.

The charges were dismissed Friday. Baker's attorney, Mark Killian, says the Australian native has made restitution.

Baker was accused of writing bad checks for around $240 to grocery stores. He faces other charges, including felony identity theft.

 ::snipping2::

http://www2.journalnow.com/news/2011/apr/30/wsmet09-the-state-ar-992612/


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on April 30, 2011, 08:51:12 PM
Some charges against Adam Baker dropped


A District Court judge in Catawba County dropped worthless check charges against Adam Baker on Friday.

Judge Amy Sigmon dismissed the charges after nobody from the prosecution showed up in court. Baker, the father of slain 10-year-old Zahra Baker, had been charged with writing worthless checks to grocery stores, totaling about $240.

Baker's attorney said in recent days that his client has made restitution in the case.

Adam Baker still faces charges of felony identity theft and obtaining property by false pretense. Those charges stem from when he and his wife, Elisa, moved with Zahra to Hickory last year and applied for electrical service at their house.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/04/29/2259462/some-charges-against-adam-baker.html


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on April 30, 2011, 08:54:16 PM
Worthless check charges dropped against Adam Baker
He’s back in court May 4 on felony charges

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/apr/29/worthless-charges-dropped-against-adam-baker-ar-990941/


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on April 30, 2011, 08:56:10 PM
Video: Worthless checks charges dropped against Adam Baker

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/apr/29/3/video-worthless-charges-dropped-agains-64324-vi-31942/


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Curly on April 30, 2011, 09:27:18 PM
Looks like this porker has the luck of the Irish for some reason.
I hope no other charges are dropped and murder charges are added.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Brandi on May 01, 2011, 12:25:20 AM
Looks like this porker has the luck of the Irish for some reason.
I hope no other charges are dropped and murder charges are added.

Seems they were dropped because he made restitution for the checks.

Next court date, Wed., May 4.

*sigh*


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Brandi on May 04, 2011, 06:58:23 PM
Heavy Security On Hand As Elisa Baker Appears In Court
http://www.wsoctv.com/news/27777407/detail.html

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/ZahraClareBaker/Image132.png)



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Brandi on May 04, 2011, 07:04:29 PM
Judge: Adam Baker Must Notify DA's Office Before Leaving NC
http://www.wsoctv.com/news/27774223/detail.html

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/ZahraClareBaker/27531879_640X360.jpg)


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: SuzieQ on May 04, 2011, 10:13:33 PM
http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/may/04/elisa-baker-under-heavy-guard-caldwell-county-arra-ar-1005585/

LENOIR --
Elisa Baker pleaded not guilty in her arraignment hearing for four felony charges in Caldwell County Wednesday afternoon.

Baker, 42, was in court for two counts each of felony identity theft and felony obtaining property by false pretenses. She is accused of using her daughter’s information to obtain phone and communication information from CenturyLink at a Hudson residence, as well as that same daughter’s information to get services from Duke Energy.

 ::snipping2::

Prosecutor Eric Bellas handed the discovery containing 114 pages of evidence on a CD to defense attorney Scott Reilly in court.

Judge Beverly Beal inquired whether a plea had been offered by the district attorney’s office.

“There has been no plea offer, there will not be a plea offer extended,” Bellas said.
The next administrative court date will be July 11.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: SuzieQ on May 04, 2011, 10:14:56 PM
http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/may/04/elisa-baker-under-heavy-guard-caldwell-county-arra-ar-1005585/

LENOIR --
Elisa Baker pleaded not guilty in her arraignment hearing for four felony charges in Caldwell County Wednesday afternoon.

Baker, 42, was in court for two counts each of felony identity theft and felony obtaining property by false pretenses. She is accused of using her daughter’s information to obtain phone and communication information from CenturyLink at a Hudson residence, as well as that same daughter’s information to get services from Duke Energy.

 ::snipping2::

Prosecutor Eric Bellas handed the discovery containing 114 pages of evidence on a CD to defense attorney Scott Reilly in court.

Judge Beverly Beal inquired whether a plea had been offered by the district attorney’s office.

“There has been no plea offer, there will not be a plea offer extended,” Bellas said.
The next administrative court date will be July 11.
 ::snipping2::

edit to add snipping


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: SuzieQ on May 04, 2011, 10:18:24 PM
http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/may/04/14/adam-baker-must-notify-das-office-if-he-leaves-sta-ar-1004404/

NEWTON --
If Adam Baker wants to leave North Carolina, he must give advance notice to the district attorney’s office.

Baker was in Catawba County Superior Court Wednesday for a pre-trial release hearing. The district attorney’s office sought to have additional restrictions placed on Baker that are similar to what the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) already has in place.

However, the district attorney’s office wanted more stringent restrictions, seeking to have Baker’s travel limited to Burke, Caldwell and Catawba counties.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on May 05, 2011, 03:47:15 AM
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/world/zahra-bakers-stepmum-wears-bullet-proof-vest-to-court/story-e6freopf-1226050453339

Zahra Baker's stepmother Elise Baker put bullet-proof vest for court appearance

    From: AAP
    May 05, 2011 12:54PM

ZAHRA Baker's stepmother wore a bulletproof vest and was guarded by police armed with assault rifles as she appeared in a North Carolina court.

Elisa Baker, who is charged with the murder and dismemberment of her 10-year-old Australian stepdaughter, had her arms and legs shackled and was guarded by a large police contingent, including two SWAT officers, as she was led into and out of Caldwell County courthouse.

Police took no chances with security as Baker, 42, entered not guilty pleas to two counts each of felony identity theft and felony obtaining property by false pretences.

Elisa Baker and Zahra's biological father, Adam Baker, made separate court appearances yesterday, local time, for charges unrelated to Zahra's death.

Elisa and Adam Baker have both faced death threats since Zahra was first reported missing from their home in Hickory, North Carolina, on October 9 last year.

 ::snipping2::



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Curly on May 05, 2011, 03:02:10 PM
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/world/zahra-bakers-stepmum-wears-bullet-proof-vest-to-court/story-e6freopf-1226050453339

Zahra Baker's stepmother Elise Baker put bullet-proof vest for court appearance

    From: AAP
    May 05, 2011 12:54PM

ZAHRA Baker's stepmother wore a bulletproof vest and was guarded by police armed with assault rifles as she appeared in a North Carolina court.

Elisa Baker, who is charged with the murder and dismemberment of her 10-year-old Australian stepdaughter, had her arms and legs shackled and was guarded by a large police contingent, including two SWAT officers, as she was led into and out of Caldwell County courthouse.

Police took no chances with security as Baker, 42, entered not guilty pleas to two counts each of felony identity theft and felony obtaining property by false pretences.

Elisa Baker and Zahra's biological father, Adam Baker, made separate court appearances yesterday, local time, for charges unrelated to Zahra's death.

Elisa and Adam Baker have both faced death threats since Zahra was first reported missing from their home in Hickory, North Carolina, on October 9 last year.

 ::snipping2::



What a waste of taxpayer's money.
Where's Charles Bronson when you need him?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: cookie on May 05, 2011, 03:03:16 PM
lol..loves ya Curly...


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on May 06, 2011, 08:34:51 AM
http://callsforjustice.wordpress.com/
Elisa Baker, Adam Baker and Michael Jacques Updates
05/05/2011 donchais


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on May 09, 2011, 02:25:53 AM
It seems like Z was murdered so long ago !
I wonder how her Mother, Emily is doing ?
Anyone read anything recently about her ?


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: mariloo on May 11, 2011, 12:34:00 PM
Hello monkeys.  Been gone too long.  Lost my mother in December.  Feeling better now.  Just wondering why Adam Baker has not been arrested.  He lied to investigators.  Couldn't he be charged with obstruction with an investigation or something?  May the DA is waiting to bring more severe charges against him.  If I were Adam Baker, I would be very afraid cause there is at least a million people who would love to see him hurt the way he hurt Zahra. ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Wyks on May 11, 2011, 10:40:48 PM

Hi Mariloo, good to see ya! ::HelloKitty::


I'm so sorry about your mother...  ::MonkeyTears::


Dunno why they haven't arrested Baker yet, sure doesn't seem fair that he's out and walking around.  He had to have known what happened to Zahra, if not even helped out a great deal.  Am guessing he copped a deal and ratted the stepmom out?  Even if he did tho, seems he ought to have also been arrested.  Dunno.  Maybe they know he did whatever, but don't have enough evidence on him yet that they can prove?  Sigh. 



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Wyks on May 11, 2011, 10:41:45 PM

Zahra's candles:

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Zahra (http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Zahra)




Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: mariloo on May 12, 2011, 09:03:22 AM

Hi Mariloo, good to see ya! ::HelloKitty::


I'm so sorry about your mother...  ::MonkeyTears::


Dunno why they haven't arrested Baker yet, sure doesn't seem fair that he's out and walking around.  He had to have known what happened to Zahra, if not even helped out a great deal.  Am guessing he copped a deal and ratted the stepmom out?  Even if he did tho, seems he ought to have also been arrested.  Dunno.  Maybe they know he did whatever, but don't have enough evidence on him yet that they can prove?  Sigh. 



Thanks Wyks.  I have lost my best piddling buddy.  I will miss her but I know where she is and she no longer suffers and that is what I keep reminding myself. 

Adam Baker must have to take sleeping pills to sleep at night.  He even looks creepy.  I see his face when he was lying to PD about Zahra's whereabouts.  He knew and lied anyway.  He ought to have been arrested when the PD caught him in that lie for obstruction.  I can't believe it has been this long and he still walks as a free man. ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Wyks on May 12, 2011, 09:01:53 PM

Thanks Wyks.  I have lost my best piddling buddy.  I will miss her but I know where she is and she no longer suffers and that is what I keep reminding myself. 

Adam Baker must have to take sleeping pills to sleep at night.  He even looks creepy.  I see his face when he was lying to PD about Zahra's whereabouts.  He knew and lied anyway.  He ought to have been arrested when the PD caught him in that lie for obstruction.  I can't believe it has been this long and he still walks as a free man. ::MonkeyMad::

Yw!  And yeah, I hear ya, it's very hard even while at the same time being grateful our loved one is no longer suffering.  Sometimes just remembering that helps to ease the hard times.  She's still in your heart tho, that will never change.   ::MonkeyKiss::

I agree with what you've said about Baker.  Just dunno how he lives with himself, knowing what he knows.  He should not be walking around a free man.  Figured folks in the community would have taken care of him by now.  hehe.  Have heard tho that he's hiding from the general public, but that LE is watching him.  Sure hope so!  There are at least two cases in this site where the one/s we think 'ought' to be POI's, have up and moved away, while nothing was seemingly done to prevent that.  Baker cannot leave the country cuz LE has his passport.  Sure hope LE makes sure he doesn't even leave the county! 



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: klaasend on May 13, 2011, 09:11:05 AM
As you guys know,  RED has been battling the forces of evil and there is good news and bad. Contrary, to initial MSM reports there was no settlement, although it appears the case might have had a conclusion. That said, the legal case has been costly and Red could use any help that we could offer. Red has stated he is very appreciative of everyone's support in emails and donations.  There is a donation button in the upper right of the forum if you would like to help.  THANKS!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9451.msg1342551#msg1342551


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: SuzieQ on May 18, 2011, 09:22:34 PM
http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/may/18/9/elisa-baker-indicted-7-federal-charges-ar-1045143/

BREAKING NEWS: Elisa Baker indicted on 7 federal drug charges
Stepmother of Zahra Baker accused of distributing drugs from May 2006 to October 2010

CHARLOTTE --
Elisa Baker was indicted on seven counts of drug charges in federal court Wednesday.

The stepmother to 10-year-old Zahra Baker, Elisa Baker is accused of distributing and conspiring to distribute the prescription drugs Oxycodone, Hydrocodone and Alprazolam between May 2006 and October 2010.

The investigation into Baker’s missing stepdaughter began on Oct. 9, 2010, and she was arrested by Hickory police for obstruction the following day.

Baker, 42, is charged with:

One count of conspiring with others known and unknown to distribute and possess with intent to distribute the controlled substance of Oxycodone, Hydrocodone and Alprazolam from 2006 to October 2010 in Caldwell and Catawba counties;
One count of distribute and possess with intent to distribute the controlled substance of Oxycodone from May 2006 to October 2010 in Caldwell and Catawba counties;
One count of distribute and possess with intent to distribute the controlled substance of Hydrocodone in Caldwell and Catawba counties from May 2006 to October 2010;
One count of distribute and possess with intent to distribute the controlled substance of Alprazolam from May 2006 to October 2010;
One count of maintaining a residence in Granite Falls to distribute the controlled substances of Oxycodone, Hydrocodone and Alprazolam from July 24, 2009, to Nov. 9, 2009;
One count of maintaining a residence in Hudson to distribute the controlled substances of Oxycodone, Hydrocodone and Alprazolam from Nov. 13, 2009 to April 8, 2010;
One count of maintaining a residence in Hickory to distribute the controlled substances of Oxycodone, Hydrocodone and Alprazolam from July 2010 to October 2010.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: SuzieQ on May 18, 2011, 09:25:09 PM
I have to post this comment on the article. I agree 100%

0CLEARPosted by greyman on May 18, 2011 - 7:57 p.m.
She and Adam Baker lived together in the same places. She murders Zahra Baker, dismembers the body, sells drugs for years but we are expected to believe she did this by herself and that Adam Baker had nothing to do with any of these things. Bull&@!#. That nonsense doesn't pass the giggle test. Adam Baker has to be as involved as Elisa Baker was, he's out free, she's in jail. Arrest Adam Baker now.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: SuzieQ on May 18, 2011, 10:11:33 PM
Another article that came out today. I wish it was someone besides Kyle Busch, but am glad they are doing it.

http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Zahra-Baker-to-be-honored-at-NASCAR-race-122156024.html

Zahra Baker to be honored at NASCAR race

CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- NASCAR will pay tribute to Zahra Baker at Friday night's truck race.

The 10-year-old Hickory girl was killed in September 2010.

On Tuesday, Kyle Busch Motorsports and Speedway Children's Charities announced Busch will drive in the North Carolina Education Lottery 200 with Zahra's name and picture above the passenger side window of his truck.

The speedway will also call for a moment of silence and release balloons in Zahra's honor before the race.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: klaasend on May 19, 2011, 01:27:03 AM
No way Adam didn't know what was going on.  As a matter of fact, her entire family had to know about the drugs.    They all make me sick.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on May 19, 2011, 07:51:30 AM
Thanks for the updates SuzieQ.  Elisa Baker is so evil.  And I agree with Klaas, "No way Adam didn't know what was going on."  And yes, I agree, "...her entire family had to know about the drugs."  What a horrible, horrible life Zahra had after she arrived in the U.S.  ::MonkeyNoNo:: 


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Sister on May 19, 2011, 08:15:26 AM
Thanks for the updates SuzieQ.  Elisa Baker is so evil.  And I agree with Klaas, "No way Adam didn't know what was going on."  And yes, I agree, "...her entire family had to know about the drugs."  What a horrible, horrible life Zahra had after she arrived in the U.S.  ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

Agree wholeheartedly!


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: SuzieQ on May 19, 2011, 10:21:34 PM
http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/may/19/elisa-bakers-hudson-neighbors-suspected-drug-activ-ar-1048436/

Elisa Baker's Hudson neighbors suspected drug activity
Baker given court date, may get a different attorney for new charges.

HUDSON --
A day after Elisa Baker was indicted by a federal grand jury on drug charges, her former neighbors are saying they aren’t surprised by the news.

“I figured they’d get her some time,” said Peggy Johnson, who lives in the Country Manor Estates mobile home park in Hudson where Elisa and Adam Baker used to live.

The Bakers lived there with daughter Zahra from November 2009 through July 2010. Johnson’s trailer is at the top of the hill with a clear view of the street, and only three lots away from where the Bakers lived.

Johnson said she saw frequent traffic through their street when the Bakers lived there.

“I saw people pull up, and she would go to the underpinning,” Johnson said of Elisa Baker. “They would hand something to her.”

She said Baker went to the upper end of the trailer and lift up one piece of the underpinning, which is the part that encloses the underside of the mobile home. Johnson said she wasn’t sure what, exactly, the people in the cars would hand to Baker, but she could see what Baker would hand to the people in the cars.

“I could see it was a sandwich bag,” Johnson said.

She said that Baker and Adam handed items to the cars that drove up to their home.
 ::snipping2::



Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on May 20, 2011, 12:17:24 AM
 ::snipping2::

The indictment also says Baker maintained homes in Granite Falls, Hudson, and Hickory for the purpose of selling the prescription drugs.

Baker is currently charged with second-degree murder in the death of her stepdaughter, Zahra, whose body was found dismembered in at least two locations last fall.

Baker is charged with one count of conspiracy to distribute and possess with intent to distribute a controlled substance, which carries a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison and a fine of up to $1,000,000; three counts of distribution and possession with intent to distribute controlled substances, each of which carries a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison and a fine of up to $1,000,000; and three counts maintaining a place for the purposes of distributing a controlled substances, which carries a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison and a fine of up to $250,000.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.wbtv.com/story/14672047/elisa-baker-indicted-on-federal-drug-trafficking-charges


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on May 20, 2011, 12:21:46 AM
The Indictment

http://www.wbtv.com/link/489581/elisa-baker-drug-indictment-charges?redirected=true


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on May 20, 2011, 12:27:21 AM
The picture of her here is really disturbing

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/may/18/elisa-baker-indicted-7-federal-charges-ar-1045143/


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on May 20, 2011, 12:30:59 AM
 ::snipping2::

Baker, 42, is facing $4.75 million in fines and 140 years in jail if she is convicted of all charges and receives the maximum punishment.

Lia Bantavani with the U.S. Department of Justice would not comment as to how agencies gathered evidence to charge Baker or if they expected any additional charges against Baker or anyone else, saying she could only comment on what was already public record.

Baker’s first court appearance on the charges is May 25 at 9:50 a.m. She is currently incarcerated in the Catawba County jail. Her attorney, Scott Reilly, said he did not expect to represent her on the federal charges.

“I rarely go into federal court,” he said. “I expect to have someone else be appointed for her from the western district.”


 ::snipping2::

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/may/19/elisa-bakers-hudson-neighbors-suspected-drug-activ-ar-1048436/


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Sister on May 21, 2011, 07:05:46 AM
The picture of her here is really disturbing

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/may/18/elisa-baker-indicted-7-federal-charges-ar-1045143/
Yipes! the future face of Casey Anthony -- same evil in the eyes.


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: 4 Donks on May 21, 2011, 07:22:21 PM
http://www.wgnc.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=15888:what-happened-to-zahra-baker&catid=82:nc-news-by-google&Itemid=241

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When Good Weekend calls in at the apartment, Adam is wary and withdrawn. He has thick, muscled arms and a broad chest that were built with work or weights but seem to have sagged in idleness. He carries a saggy paunch. There are dark rings beneath his eyes and he frequently looks away when talking. He seems tired, dishevelled and acquiescent. His bed is a small mattress on the floor of the flat's congested living room. Karen is kindly but fiercely protective of the son who mostly defers to her. She came to Hickory from Giru shortly after Zahra's death.
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Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: grace-land on May 22, 2011, 10:13:08 PM
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/05/22/2315782/it-could-be-a-crime-to-dismember.html

It could be a crime to dismember body
Catawba County D.A. handling Zahra Baker case leading N.C. effort.

By Meghan Cooke
macooke@charlotteobserver.com
Posted: Sunday, May. 22, 2011

The district attorney prosecuting the Zahra Baker case is spearheading state legislation that would penalize people who dismember a body to hide a crime.

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Current statutes prohibit concealing a death. Anyone who tries to conceal a person's death by failing to notify authorities or by secretly disposing of the body is guilty of a felony, according to the statute. And anyone who helps another person conceal a death is guilty of a misdemeanor.

Gaither's recommendations would make it a felony to dismember or destroy human remains in an attempt to conceal evidence of a death when that person knows or has reason to believe the deceased did not die of natural causes.

His recommendations also would make it illegal for people to disturb human remains by vandalizing or desecrating a body. That offense would be a misdemeanor, according to his proposal.

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Some of Zahra's remains have yet to be recovered, including her skull, according to her autopsy.

Read more: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/05/22/2315782/it-could-be-a-crime-to-dismember.html#ixzz1N8aItIXK


Title: Re: Zahra Clare Baker #10 1/5/11 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on May 23, 2011, 09:12:18 PM
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/world/zahra-bakers-stepmother-charged-with-running-a-drug-house/story-e6freoox-1226061620784

Zahra Baker's stepmother charged with running a drug house

    By Paul Toohey
    From: Herald Sun
    May 24, 2011 8:07AM

US federal authorities have charged the stepmother of Zahra Baker with running a drug house at the address where she allegedly murdered the 10-year-old.

Elisa Baker, 42, also known as Elise Young, is charged with murdering and dismembering Zahra after she was reported missing from her home in Hickory, North Carolina, on October 9 last year.

Zahra, a cancer sufferer who had her left leg amputated and was deaf, was dead for 15 days before she was reported missing.

The latest charges were filed by federal rather than North Carolina authorities, who said between 2006 and October 10, 2010, Ms Baker used various addresses around Hickory for the purpose of distributing controlled substances in association with other unnamed parties.

Ms Baker is accused of selling Oxycodone, Alprazolam and Hydrocodone, all controlled pain-killer medicines.

Ms Baker allegedly ran a prescription drug racket from at least three residences where her husband Adam Baker and Zahra lived, but neither federal nor North Carolina authorities have suggested Ms Baker was selling Zahra’s drugs.

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Some minor anomalies in this story but good to see it is still making front page news here.  Still waiting to see Zahra's father charged with all these crimes also.