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Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 02, 2007, 11:55:51 PM
Let's hope 2007 brings Justice for Natalee

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/candleman2justice2007.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: BIGORANGECRUSH on March 03, 2007, 12:50:05 AM
Happy I got thru the door ! :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 03, 2007, 12:50:21 AM
OK - who beat me in the door this time ?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 03, 2007, 12:51:29 AM
:lol: One of the rules, Patti is to NEVER blow the margins!

 :oops:  :oops:  Sorry, Klaas! Sometimes my lappy has a mind of it's own.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 03, 2007, 12:51:33 AM
Quote from: "BIGORANGECRUSH"
Happy I got thru the door ! :lol:  :lol:
:lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 03, 2007, 12:51:36 AM
BOC you must have been swinging in the tree at the door just waiting.....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: BIGORANGECRUSH on March 03, 2007, 12:51:38 AM
I have been hitting some of the travel sites tonite advising travelers of Aruba and Natalee! :shock:  :shock:  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 03, 2007, 12:53:06 AM
Hope I didn't lock Patti in the old thread, lol  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 03, 2007, 12:53:11 AM
3 cheers for you, BOC!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: BIGORANGECRUSH on March 03, 2007, 12:53:18 AM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
BOC you must have been swinging in the tree at the door just waiting.....


Klass usually will not let me in to about page 8!! :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 03, 2007, 12:53:49 AM
Mrs. Red - you are up late!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: BIGORANGECRUSH on March 03, 2007, 12:54:25 AM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
3 cheers for you, BOC!


The Toppers got the Indians last nite! 8)  :oops:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: mrs. red on March 03, 2007, 12:54:59 AM
Hey BOC... I read a comment by you on the Tennessean... if it's not you, then there's another one talking about PAC MAN... (yes I still follow the home state, I admit it)


CBB.... can I get a new look when you have time>>>


Lala's
I wrote you a long explanation about the click thing... but it's the last post in the last thread :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 03, 2007, 12:55:06 AM
Can you go get her out, Klaas? If she hasn't changed threads before, she may think we're all hiding!  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 03, 2007, 12:55:24 AM
Patti are you here?  CBB, Very good to see you here!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 03, 2007, 12:56:06 AM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Can you go get her out, Klaas? If she hasn't changed threads before, she may think we're all hiding!  :shock:


I explained it to her but she may have missed my post.   :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 03, 2007, 12:56:41 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Hey BOC... I read a comment by you on the Tennessean... if it's not you, then there's another one talking about PAC MAN... (yes I still follow the home state, I admit it)


CBB.... can I get a new look when you have time>>>


Lala's
I wrote you a long explanation about the click thing... but it's the last post in the last thread :roll:


You have some green flames and a shamrock in the Lounge. Did you want a complete makeover? Wait here and I'll get it for you.  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: BIGORANGECRUSH on March 03, 2007, 12:58:20 AM
Mrs. Red when you moving back home? :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 03, 2007, 12:59:11 AM
I think Patti is stuck in the other cage...call 911!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 03, 2007, 12:59:34 AM
:lol:  :lol:  :lol:

No... I'm here, I think.  

I just left a message on the last thread for Lala's Mom.  

You all try to beat eachother to the new thread, huh, silly monkeys!

This is fun!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: mrs. red on March 03, 2007, 12:59:35 AM
CBB... I missed it...

Klaas..  I don't know why I am up so late... got involved in a movie and talking to the monkeys...



Patti... please forgive me... Welcome to the forum!  I have been reading you forever on the FP...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 03, 2007, 01:00:02 AM
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/MrsRedStPat.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/MrsRedStPat.gif

I'm having a hard time topping the flames, Mrs. Red, so it's a subtle change.
You got me going in the Politics thread..........did you see my post re: celebrities and politcs?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 03, 2007, 01:00:41 AM
Patti - glad you made it!  I was affraid you looked like this!  :lol:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/32456631.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 03, 2007, 01:01:10 AM
Thanks Mrs. Red.  I was about to write Tylergal in my book for telling me a fib.  She owes you one.  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: mrs. red on March 03, 2007, 01:01:27 AM
BOC  Not soon enough!! Hopefully soon... I will be headed down to visit the folks soon.. I am hoping that I can meet up with CBB ... I think she isn't far from where I will be driving through... or I hope she isn't....


I haven't talked to her about that yet though....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 03, 2007, 01:01:44 AM
BOC, thanks for advising travelers about Aruba.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: sb on March 03, 2007, 01:01:55 AM
So we will be down tomorrow, huh?

I am assuming by some time Sunday that things will be back up to speed... is that right?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 03, 2007, 01:02:24 AM
Patti and Lalas have both gone missing.....
Patti left a long post about Shango on last page.  Hope she is not waiting for an answer.  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 03, 2007, 01:02:30 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Patti - glad you made it!  I was affraid you looked like this!  :lol:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/32456631.gif)


 :lol:  :lol:

Patti, did you have time to see your welcome wagon gift?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: mrs. red on March 03, 2007, 01:03:03 AM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/MrsRedStPat.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/MrsRedStPat.gif

I'm having a hard time topping the flames, Mrs. Red, so it's a subtle change.
You got me going in the Politics thread..........did you see my post re: celebrities and politcs?


yes mamam I did... and I replied :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 03, 2007, 01:03:07 AM
Quote from: "sb"
So we will be down tomorrow, huh?

I am assuming by some time Sunday that things will be back up to speed... is that right?

According to TOM - he's bringing the site down tomorrow morning and it should be back up by Sunday afternoon.  He's allowing extra time in case he runs into any unforseen difficulties.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: mrs. red on March 03, 2007, 01:04:14 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/MrsRedStPat.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/MrsRedStPat.gif

I'm having a hard time topping the flames, Mrs. Red, so it's a subtle change.
You got me going in the Politics thread..........did you see my post re: celebrities and politcs?


yes mamam I did... and I replied :wink:


Oh, I hope Red sees this post... it's like I am twins... twice the honey do list!  Ha Ha...

Klaas, don't tell him I said that....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 03, 2007, 01:04:34 AM
Patti
Tell you what. Let's wait until the new improved forum is up and running on Sunday and then we can tango a bit if you want.  BTW that is code word for discussing Shango.  


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 03, 2007, 01:04:51 AM
Patti's post from the previous thread:

Patti wrote:

Lala's Mom:

Well... If you like, I'll read it, STUDY it, and let you know what I think.

You know that's what it takes to fully comprehend it don't you? From what I remember, he uses a host of characters with very uncommon names.

But, I gotta tell ya:

I am a believer in the powers beyond what is seen by the human eye.
I believe that we are just one part of a realm of existance with things going on around us that are invisible. My impression of the writings so far is that Shango may be tuned into that invisible realm.

Whether I have the capabilities of understanding it... I don't know. Like I
said, you have to study his writings. Maybe there is some truth to be found in it, or maybe not. Just like in this world, there are good and evil in that realm, as well. Not all power is from God.

If I can be of help to you, I will certainly try.

So is that my assignment?
 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 03, 2007, 01:05:08 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
CBB... I missed it...

Klaas..  I don't know why I am up so late... got involved in a movie and talking to the monkeys...



Patti... please forgive me... Welcome to the forum!  I have been reading you forever on the FP...


Hi Mrs Red you are like all of us - just trying to get as much monkey time as we can before the forum goes off the air!  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: mrs. red on March 03, 2007, 01:05:19 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Thanks Mrs. Red.  I was about to write Tylergal in my book for telling me a fib.  She owes you one.  :wink:


Oh that was quite the thing... it's funny all the stuff we have "been through" together in the past two years... isn't it?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 03, 2007, 01:05:53 AM
Mrs. Red - too funny  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: mrs. red on March 03, 2007, 01:05:56 AM
Quote from: "sb"
So we will be down tomorrow, huh?

I am assuming by some time Sunday that things will be back up to speed... is that right?


that's a question for Klaas and Red...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 03, 2007, 01:06:16 AM
This is comical ~ Elaine has those flashy glasses asking:

Patti! Are you here!

Hey Elaine, I'm Patti.  I'm friendly.  A little slow on the threads, but friendly.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: mrs. red on March 03, 2007, 01:07:16 AM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
CBB... I missed it...

Klaas..  I don't know why I am up so late... got involved in a movie and talking to the monkeys...



Patti... please forgive me... Welcome to the forum!  I have been reading you forever on the FP...


Hi Mrs Red you are like all of us - just trying to get as much monkey time as we can before the forum goes off the air!  :wink:


Right... don't know what I will do!!  I was telling some one today about all your information on Australia...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: sb on March 03, 2007, 01:07:24 AM
Good seeing y'all tonight for a few. I posted a request in the Prayer Thread.

I guess no real news today either...

I'll check up on the Front Page and see what's going on too.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 03, 2007, 01:07:41 AM
I make those honey do lists too...just never get any of them done.  I don't think my honey does any of those "do's" on the list. He claims he can't read the fine print.  Does that look like FINE PRINT to you? :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: BIGORANGECRUSH on March 03, 2007, 01:08:08 AM
Good nite monks keep the cage clean! Lala's watching! :wink:  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: mrs. red on March 03, 2007, 01:08:33 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Mrs. Red - too funny  :lol:  :lol:


well sleeping beauty, what he doesn't know won't hurt him...  :lol:  :lol:

can you believe he is actually ASLEEP???


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 03, 2007, 01:08:52 AM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/MrsRedStPat.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/MrsRedStPat.gif

I'm having a hard time topping the flames, Mrs. Red, so it's a subtle change.
You got me going in the Politics thread..........did you see my post re: celebrities and politcs?


CBB that was the best ever post !
I nearly stood up and applauded when I read it.  

Hope you and John are improving.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 03, 2007, 01:08:59 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/MrsRedStPat.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/MrsRedStPat.gif

I'm having a hard time topping the flames, Mrs. Red, so it's a subtle change.
You got me going in the Politics thread..........did you see my post re: celebrities and politcs?


yes mamam I did... and I replied :wink:


Oh, I hope Red sees this post... it's like I am twins... twice the honey do list!  Ha Ha...

Klaas, don't tell him I said that....
:lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: BIGORANGECRUSH on March 03, 2007, 01:09:10 AM
Quote from: "sb"
Good seeing y'all tonight for a few. I posted a request in the Prayer Thread.

I guess no real news today either...

I'll check up on the Front Page and see what's going on too.


How about those Vols! :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: mrs. red on March 03, 2007, 01:09:29 AM
Quote from: "BIGORANGECRUSH"
Good nite monks keep the cage clean! Lala's watching! :wink:  :roll:


NITE BOC... and SB...

keep the faith...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 03, 2007, 01:10:27 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Mrs. Red - too funny  :lol:  :lol:


well sleeping beauty, what he doesn't know won't hurt him...  :lol:  :lol:

can you believe he is actually ASLEEP???


Have you ever seen those movies where they tickle the sleeper's nose with a feather?  Okay, maybe that's a bad idea...don't mention I said that.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: mrs. red on March 03, 2007, 01:10:38 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
I make those honey do lists too...just never get any of them done.  I don't think my honey does any of those "do's" on the list. He claims he can't read the fine print.  Does that look like FINE PRINT to you? :roll:


sounds like he talks to RED :roll:  :roll:  must be a genetic thing with husbands :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: mrs. red on March 03, 2007, 01:11:14 AM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/MrsRedStPat.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/MrsRedStPat.gif

I'm having a hard time topping the flames, Mrs. Red, so it's a subtle change.
You got me going in the Politics thread..........did you see my post re: celebrities and politcs?


CBB that was the best ever post !
I nearly stood up and applauded when I read it.  

Hope you and John are improving.


wasn't it!!!  So eloquent...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 03, 2007, 01:11:33 AM
Quote from: "Patti"
This is comical ~ Elaine has those flashy glasses asking:

Patti! Are you here!

Hey Elaine, I'm Patti.  I'm friendly.  A little slow on the threads, but friendly.


I'm very familiar with Elaine's glasses and can personally assure that Easter Egg glasses do not exist..................yet.  :lol: (I'll find her an Easter Bonnet for sure!)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 03, 2007, 01:11:44 AM
Thanks, Mrs. Red... It's good to be here.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: sb on March 03, 2007, 01:12:41 AM
BOC, you're not making things any better for me!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 03, 2007, 01:12:50 AM
Patti
Great Idea!  You can study Shango and Simian and relate your ideas and I, of course, will tell you what you got wrong.  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: mrs. red on March 03, 2007, 01:13:24 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Mrs. Red - too funny  :lol:  :lol:


well sleeping beauty, what he doesn't know won't hurt him...  :lol:  :lol:

can you believe he is actually ASLEEP???


Have you ever seen those movies where they tickle the sleeper's nose with a feather?  Okay, maybe that's a bad idea...don't mention I said that.


OMG...LMAO>.. but honest to goodness RED does not sleep hardly ever... ask klaasend...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 03, 2007, 01:14:28 AM
Tibro, thanks, but I only mentioned it because Mrs. Red has a way of getting me going. Apparently we share some views and she often says what I'm thinking!  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 03, 2007, 01:15:15 AM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "Patti"
This is comical ~ Elaine has those flashy glasses asking:

Patti! Are you here!

Hey Elaine, I'm Patti.  I'm friendly.  A little slow on the threads, but friendly.


I'm very familiar with Elaine's glasses and can personally assure that Easter Egg glasses do not exist..................yet.  :lol: (I'll find her an Easter Bonnet for sure!)
Thanks CBB, an easter bonnet would be delightful!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 03, 2007, 01:15:33 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Mrs. Red - too funny  :lol:  :lol:


well sleeping beauty, what he doesn't know won't hurt him...  :lol:  :lol:

can you believe he is actually ASLEEP???

NO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: mrs. red on March 03, 2007, 01:15:44 AM
CBB... I posted about needing to be in your part of the world soon... email me if it's possible.... K???


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 03, 2007, 01:15:55 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Patti
Great Idea!  You can study Shango and Simian and relate your ideas and I, of course, will tell you what you got wrong.  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


I'm buying tickets to that! It may finally get me up to speed on Shango myself.  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: mrs. red on March 03, 2007, 01:16:41 AM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Tibro, thanks, but I only mentioned it because Mrs. Red has a way of getting me going. Apparently we share some views and she often says what I'm thinking!  :lol:

Oh yes we agree, but you state it with much more eloquence than I do!!!  I start writing and get into a stream of conciousness state... LOL...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 03, 2007, 01:17:06 AM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "Patti"
This is comical ~ Elaine has those flashy glasses asking:

Patti! Are you here!

Hey Elaine, I'm Patti.  I'm friendly.  A little slow on the threads, but friendly.


I'm very familiar with Elaine's glasses and can personally assure that Easter Egg glasses do not exist..................yet.  :lol: (I'll find her an Easter Bonnet for sure!)


Oh Oh ...Easter is next to dress up for.  CBB I will try to find a Bilby for you to do something with.  There has been a movement here past few years to replace the Easter Bunny with the Easter Bilby.  Can get chocolate ones and all.   A Bilby is a small native animal with long ears so does not look out of place.  Will search tomorrow......


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 03, 2007, 01:17:43 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
CBB... I posted about needing to be in your part of the world soon... email me if it's possible.... K???


Absolutely!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: mrs. red on March 03, 2007, 01:17:46 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Mrs. Red - too funny  :lol:  :lol:


well sleeping beauty, what he doesn't know won't hurt him...  :lol:  :lol:

can you believe he is actually ASLEEP???

NO


snoring so dern loud it's echoing... :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 03, 2007, 01:18:12 AM
Quote from: "Patti"
Thanks, Mrs. Red... It's good to be here.
Nice to meet you Patti. I have read your posts on the front page, but good to see you here in the cage!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 03, 2007, 01:20:18 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Mrs. Red - too funny  :lol:  :lol:
:lol:
well sleeping beauty, what he doesn't know won't hurt him...  :lol:  :lol:

can you believe he is actually ASLEEP???

NO


snoring so dern loud it's echoing... :roll:


Remember the scene from "war of the roses"? Kathleen Turner looks disgustingly at Michael Douglas snoring for a few minutes, then shoves 2 fingers in his nostrils.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: mrs. red on March 03, 2007, 01:20:21 AM
Patti. and TIb.....I don't always discuss Red being asleep in here... .but Klaasend will back me up... he does not ever, hardly ever sleep and usually I am asleep by like 9.... I need a good 8 or 9 hours....


CBB... we will discuss it off the board then!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 03, 2007, 01:21:35 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Mrs. Red - too funny  :lol:  :lol:


well sleeping beauty, what he doesn't know won't hurt him...  :lol:  :lol:

can you believe he is actually ASLEEP???

NO


snoring so dern loud it's echoing... :roll:
:lol: Earplugs are a great remedy for that!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: mrs. red on March 03, 2007, 01:22:07 AM
Quote from: crazybabyborg
Quote from: mrs. red
Quote from: klaasend
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Mrs. Red - too funny  :lol:  :lol:
:lol:
well sleeping beauty, what he doesn't know won't hurt him...  :lol:  :lol:
<<snipped>>>

Remember the scene from "war of the roses"? Kathleen Turner looks disgustingly at Michael Douglas snoring for a few minutes, then shoves 2 fingers in his nostrils.  :lol:


Yes I do!!  We watched that movie as the intro to Family Law when I was in school...and I promise you we handle some divorvces that I would like to see the two ppl sit down and watch what happens when people are crazy like that....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 03, 2007, 01:22:14 AM
Lala's Mom:

Have you studied it at great detail?

I don't mind being wrong.  Hey, I'm only human.  Besides, it's not my writing that I'm comprehending and I can't be held responsible for its'
content.

Maybe we should write that on the front of it as a "WARNING"

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 03, 2007, 01:23:51 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Patti. and TIb.....I don't always discuss Red being asleep in here... .but Klaasend will back me up... he does not ever, hardly ever sleep and usually I am asleep by like 9.... I need a good 8 or 9 hours....


CBB... we will discuss it off the board then!!


I don't see your e-mail in your profile.......
I've been on my laptop at the lakehouse since the wreck and don't have it saved on it. Have you got my e-mail addy?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: mrs. red on March 03, 2007, 01:25:01 AM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Patti. and TIb.....I don't always discuss Red being asleep in here... .but Klaasend will back me up... he does not ever, hardly ever sleep and usually I am asleep by like 9.... I need a good 8 or 9 hours....


CBB... we will discuss it off the board then!!


I don't see your e-mail in your profile.......
I've been on my laptop at the lakehouse since the wreck and don't have it saved on it. Have you got my e-mail addy?


I think so.. I will send you an email right now....the subject line will be home.. in fact, I think I may have two addys for you... from the cook book days...let me know if you get it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 03, 2007, 01:26:14 AM
Quote from: "Patti"
Lala's Mom:

Have you studied it at great detail?

I don't mind being wrong.  Hey, I'm only human.  Besides, it's not my writing that I'm comprehending and I can't be held responsible for its'
content.

Maybe we should write that on the front of it as a "WARNING"

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Something like : The views expressed here are not necessarily the same as those of the writer ?  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 03, 2007, 01:27:03 AM
I couldn't swear that the hotmail one is still active, but I'll check.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 03, 2007, 01:29:02 AM
Got it and replied, Mrs. Red! :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: sb on March 03, 2007, 01:29:27 AM
The whole Shango and Simian thing is one of those deals where we all sort of have different shades of opinion. I am convinced that they both are trying to lead us in the right direction, even if they may not have every detail down pat.

OK, gotta get some sleep- good talking w/ y'all!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: mrs. red on March 03, 2007, 01:29:28 AM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
I couldn't swear that the hotmail one is still active, but I'll check.


I am not sure I have that one after all.. check your regular email...

I don't mean to be rude yall.. I am sorry...  :oops:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 03, 2007, 01:31:55 AM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "Patti"
Lala's Mom:

Have you studied it at great detail?

I don't mind being wrong.  Hey, I'm only human.  Besides, it's not my writing that I'm comprehending and I can't be held responsible for its'
content.

Maybe we should write that on the front of it as a "WARNING"

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Something like : The views expressed here are not necessarily the same as those of the writer ?  :lol:  :lol:


Oh, Tibro, that brings back such good memories for me. As long as I can remember, there was a plaque in Mom's kitchen that read, "The views expressed by the Husband in this house are not necessarily those of the management."  :lol:
It's still hanging there.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 03, 2007, 01:32:10 AM
Mrs. Red:

That's the problem.  Mr. Red doesn't go to sleep until he is absolutely exhausted.  Then he sleeps so hard that he snores.  He is OVER relaxed because he's so tired.

I snore sometimes.  If I've been up for too many hours... like during traveling.  Or when I drink too much and party too hard.  

If he would establish a regular sleeping pattern, he'd snore less and feel better.

In my opinion...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: mrs. red on March 03, 2007, 01:32:31 AM
Monkeys... good nite... I need to get some sleep myself... LOL


CBB I didn't get your reply yet, but I will reply back once I do...

and have a great  night monkeys


Be well and God bless...

keep the faith!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: IBE on March 03, 2007, 01:32:40 AM
Heard the magic word "cookbook" :lol:  :lol:  HINT HINT


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 03, 2007, 01:32:55 AM
Quote from: "Patti"
Lala's Mom:

Have you studied it at great detail?

I don't mind being wrong.  Hey, I'm only human.  Besides, it's not my writing that I'm comprehending and I can't be held responsible for its'
content.

Maybe we should write that on the front of it as a "WARNING"

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


As for my expertise, I will defer to other monkeys on that one.  I have studied Shango and Simian at length.  Changed my mind many times and even gone back to some original theories.  I have placed Shango's verses in relation to some of the new info we have from the perps statements.  Yes, I have studied it in detail.  I always welcome new ideas and theories.   So I will be waiting with excitement to see what you think.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 03, 2007, 01:33:32 AM
Nite Mrs. Red, see you in a few days.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: mrs. red on March 03, 2007, 01:34:05 AM
Quote from: "Patti"
Mrs. Red:

That's the problem.  Mr. Red doesn't go to sleep until he is absolutely exhausted.  Then he sleeps so hard that he snores.  He is OVER relaxed because he's so tired.

I snore sometimes.  If I've been up for too many hours... like during traveling.  Or when I drink too much and party too hard.  

If he would establish a regular sleeping pattern, he'd snore less and feel better.

In my opinion...


Patti is my new favorite monkey!!  (J/K)...y'all know I love each and every one of you... but I try so hard to tell him that same thing


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 03, 2007, 01:34:13 AM
Quote from: "IBE"
Heard the magic word "cookbook" :lol:  :lol:  HINT HINT


Hey, how are you? Have you been good?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 03, 2007, 01:34:25 AM
Nite, Mrs. Red!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 03, 2007, 01:36:59 AM
IBE............I like your "spin" on things, but I stopped you per your request in the Lounge, and even gave you a second choice if you prefer.  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: mrs. red on March 03, 2007, 01:40:24 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "IBE"
Heard the magic word "cookbook" :lol:  :lol:  HINT HINT


Hey, how are you? Have you been good?


OK before I run off... what is the hint???


CBB... I didn't get a reply from you... try again


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 03, 2007, 01:41:18 AM
cbb So you know what I am talking about - this is a Bilby.
Small and endangered.  The chocolate ones they sell raise funds for "Save the Bilby" project.

(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q263/Coonowrin/bilby03.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 03, 2007, 01:41:30 AM
Nite... Mrs. Red.

Sleep tight!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 03, 2007, 01:41:32 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Monkeys... good nite... I need to get some sleep myself... LOL


CBB I didn't get your reply yet, but I will reply back once I do...

and have a great  night monkeys


Be well and God bless...

keep the faith!!

Nite Mrs. Red - I promise not to tell Red about his snoring, lol  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: mrs. red on March 03, 2007, 01:41:54 AM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
cbb So you know what I am talking about - this is a Bilby.
Small and endangered.  The chocolate ones they sell raise funds for "Save the Bilby" project.

(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q263/Coonowrin/bilby03.jpg)


How adorable!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: mrs. red on March 03, 2007, 01:42:45 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Monkeys... good nite... I need to get some sleep myself... LOL


CBB I didn't get your reply yet, but I will reply back once I do...

and have a great  night monkeys


Be well and God bless...

keep the faith!!

Nite Mrs. Red - I promise not to tell Red about his snoring, lol  :lol:


LOL... :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: mrs. red on March 03, 2007, 01:43:35 AM
Ok for real this time...


GOOD NITE MONKEYS



CBB,try again...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 03, 2007, 01:45:01 AM
Tibro........that's the cutest thing I've ever seen!!!

Done, Mrs. Red.  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 03, 2007, 01:46:29 AM
The bilby looks like a cross between a mouse and a bunny!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 03, 2007, 01:47:12 AM
I think I will hug Nemo for now. (Another code word.  Nemo is a doggie and I hug him each night before I go to bed.  Angie helps me hug him too. My arms get tired from time to time. He belongs to CP405, one of our monkeys.)    

I suppose I will be in pretty rough shape by Sunday afternoon, what with the withdrawals and all. I wish I had known about this intervention I would have been prepared.  I am not too good at going cold turkey.  

Nice to meet you Patti, looking forward to many discussions with you. Have a nice weekend everyone.  Hugs to all.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 03, 2007, 01:47:59 AM
Yes it is cute.  Will post an article and more pics in the Aussie thread. Will put it on my "to do" list.

For when LilPuma sees it : yes they have pouches!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 03, 2007, 01:50:10 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
I think I will hug Nemo for now. (Another code word.  Nemo is a doggie and I hug him each night before I go to bed.  Angie helps me hug him too. My arms get tired from time to time. He belongs to CP405, one of our monkeys.)    

I suppose I will be in pretty rough shape by Sunday afternoon, what with the withdrawals and all. I wish I had known about this intervention I would have been prepared.  I am not too good at going cold turkey.  

Nice to meet you Patti, looking forward to many discussions with you. Have a nice weekend everyone.  Hugs to all.


There might be a few other monkeys in the same shape after tomorrow's lunch!!
Nite Lalas


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 03, 2007, 01:53:22 AM
Tibrogargan:

That looks like a rabbit with a pointed nose.  He's cute.  Does he hop around like a rabbit on all fours or like a kangaroo?  

Does he have a pouch?

They have so many "different" animals in Australia.  I've always wanted to go there and to New Zealand.

All this talk about sleeping has made me tired.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 03, 2007, 01:55:59 AM
Me too, Patti. On 2 counts: I'm tired and would love to see New Zealand! Ever since Lord of The Rings came out, it's been one of my "wishlist" spots!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 03, 2007, 01:57:36 AM
I'm turning in Monkeys. Have a great night!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 03, 2007, 01:59:24 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
I think I will hug Nemo for now. (Another code word.  Nemo is a doggie and I hug him each night before I go to bed.  Angie helps me hug him too. My arms get tired from time to time. He belongs to CP405, one of our monkeys.)    

I suppose I will be in pretty rough shape by Sunday afternoon, what with the withdrawals and all. I wish I had known about this intervention I would have been prepared.  I am not too good at going cold turkey.  

Nice to meet you Patti, looking forward to many discussions with you. Have a nice weekend everyone.  Hugs to all.

Nite Lala's


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 03, 2007, 01:59:57 AM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
I'm turning in Monkeys. Have a great night!


Nite CBB


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 03, 2007, 02:00:51 AM
Crazy Baby Borg:

I love the way you dress up the monkeys for the holiday, but I don't want to make you work any more than you absolutely have to.

Do you think that you might want to dress me up, too?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 03, 2007, 02:02:36 AM
Oh oh!?!?!??!

You all move so fast!

Good night everyone!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 03, 2007, 02:03:31 AM
I'm calling it a night too!  See you all Sunday unless the forum is still up when I get up in the morning.

Nite All!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 03, 2007, 02:03:38 AM
Quote from: "Patti"
Tibrogargan:

That looks like a rabbit with a pointed nose.  He's cute.  Does he hop around like a rabbit on all fours or like a kangaroo?  

Does he have a pouch?

They have so many "different" animals in Australia.  I've always wanted to go there and to New Zealand.

All this talk about sleeping has made me tired.


Yes Patti, we have some strange creatures here - both on four legs and two legs as well  :lol:  :lol:
Bilbies are smaller than rabbits and hop a bit the same and sometimes sit on their haunches.  They are a sort of bandicoot.  They have pouches.
If you have not found it yet Klaas started a thread for me in the Monkey Lounge Forum to post things about Australia.  I always welcome questions on anything the monkeys would like to know to make sure I am not boring everyone.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 03, 2007, 02:04:24 AM
Quote from: "Patti"
Oh oh!?!?!??!

You all move so fast!

Good night everyone!


Patti - between me and CBB we'll have you dressed up for St. Patrick's Day by Sunday!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 03, 2007, 02:06:10 AM
I am about to log out also - DH is due to knock off work soon and will expect dinner when he arrives home.  So inconvenient sometimes  :lol:  :lol:
He is really a sweetie, but don't tell him I said so  :wink:  :wink:
Nite all


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 03, 2007, 02:06:26 AM
Thanks, Klaas...

You're so sweet!

Good night...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: msmarple on March 03, 2007, 08:06:12 AM
I've been crash reading; just a couple of comments -- (my virus check is about to start running; takes 3 hours!):

Marriott asking for other stuff to be removed from the beach - isn't that where a tourist/guest (sunbathing) was run over by a vehicle connected with one of the water sports rental businesses? I am sure that's what they're thinking about ...

New Zealand - "The Piano."

See you on the Front Page!

Lunch TODAY in Atlanta - YES! Weather is gorgeous! Spring!

Eclipse of the Moon tonight; about 6-8:30 p.m. EST. Will be a full eclipse, visible most of Eastern U.S. "Red Moon"

FUBARUBA!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: smtestmod on March 04, 2007, 09:54:41 AM
This is a dummy account testing moderator rights. It probably will change a little over the next few minutes and then disappear.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: sb on March 04, 2007, 10:03:10 AM
HEY!  That didn't take long!

Loads faster, too!

Like the old saying, "You never appreciate what you have until you lose it", I REALLY missed having our Cage open last night. Glad we're back!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: smtestmod on March 04, 2007, 10:05:56 AM
Quote from: "smtestmod"
This is a dummy account testing moderator rights. It probably will change a little over the next few minutes and then disappear.


edit by smtestmod

looks like this works woohoo

oops did a quote instead,,, this is an edit

TEST EDIT

EDIT IS WORKING FOR ME


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: sb on March 04, 2007, 10:07:35 AM
LOL, I'm the first one to test out the new forum!!!

Hope we're through and things can get going again.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: mishy on March 04, 2007, 10:08:27 AM
Sb, you have mail!

So glad to see the cage back up. I missed the lunar eclipse, but there will be another one in August!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: mishy on March 04, 2007, 10:09:41 AM
Quote from: "smtestmod"
Quote from: "smtestmod"
This is a dummy account testing moderator rights. It probably will change a little over the next few minutes and then disappear.


edit by smtestmod

looks like this works woohoo

oops did a quote instead,,, this is an edit


hmmmm.... an edit????  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

I sure miss that edit button  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: smtestmod on March 04, 2007, 10:10:59 AM
Quote from: "sb"
LOL, I'm the first one to test out the new forum!!!

Hope we're through and things can get going again.


Take a look around and make sure that all is running correctly for you. If there is anything amiss, let me know at tom@scaredmonkeys.com and I will try to fix it.

We are on a much faster server and it also has more tools for me to keep things optimized, so God willing we can have this run a little quicker and smoother.

T


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2007, 10:11:33 AM
GOODMORNING ALL - Bear with Tom and I while we still test a few things.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: BTgirl on March 04, 2007, 10:18:16 AM
Quote from: "smtestmod"
Quote from: "sb"
LOL, I'm the first one to test out the new forum!!!

Hope we're through and things can get going again.


Take a look around and make sure that all is running correctly for you. If there is anything amiss, let me know at tom@scaredmonkeys.com and I will try to fix it.

We are on a much faster server and it also has more tools for me to keep things optimized, so God willing we can have this run a little quicker and smoother.

T


Big old smoochies to Tom (http://bestsmileys.com/kissing2/6.gif)

Thanks for all your hard work.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: scared-tom on March 04, 2007, 10:25:23 AM
Quote from: "BTgirl"

Big old smoochies to Tom (http://bestsmileys.com/kissing2/6.gif)

Thanks for all your hard work.


Thanks!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: nonesuche on March 04, 2007, 10:31:57 AM
Thanks Tom !

Now can we get new smileys?  :lol:

j/k

well sort of  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: scared-tom on March 04, 2007, 10:45:59 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Thanks Tom !

Now can we get new smileys?  :lol:

j/k

well sort of  :wink:


Your wish is my command... for this morning at least. And that is east coast morning, sorry westies... lol...  :salut:

Click View More Emoticons for the new list


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2007, 10:52:54 AM
Quote from: "scared-tom"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Thanks Tom !

Now can we get new smileys?  :lol:

j/k

well sort of  :wink:


Your wish is my command... for this morning at least. And that is east coast morning, sorry westies... lol...  :salut:

Click View More Emoticons for the new list


 :flower:  :albino: :nemo:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: BTgirl on March 04, 2007, 10:53:16 AM
Quote from: "scared-tom"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Thanks Tom !

Now can we get new smileys?  :lol:

j/k

well sort of  :wink:


Your wish is my command... for this morning at least. And that is east coast morning, sorry westies... lol...  :salut:

Click View More Emoticons for the new list


Those are great! (Do ya think we could have a "smooch" in that list too? Maybe this one? (http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/10.gif))

Thanks!  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: BTgirl on March 04, 2007, 10:56:16 AM
I like this one:  :shaking2:

It's soooo me, LOL


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on March 04, 2007, 11:37:19 AM
:puker:
And you got a leftie puker ! !


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2007, 11:41:21 AM
Have to run an errand real quick, will be right back.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: msmarple on March 04, 2007, 11:50:01 AM
Morning Monkeys! I just wanted to see the new emoticons ...

 :bounce:  

Hummm. Seems that once you pick one from the new popup, it won't display again  :wink:   :oops:   :?:  -- but you can still pick one from the standard choices.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on March 04, 2007, 11:50:10 AM
(http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h191/Kat_Gram/kitty2.gif)

This is my smiley that I use as a signature at home on my emails. Cute, eh ? When things are stable in the forum, I should add to my sig line.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: scared-tom on March 04, 2007, 11:52:35 AM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Those are great! (Do ya think we could have a "smooch" in that list too? Maybe this one? (http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/10.gif))

Thanks!  :D


Smooch and 100 more are added. That shouls be all for the smilies as too many could be confusing. Especially for me....  :smt100  :smt038  

Here is one for Robot :smt032


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on March 04, 2007, 11:55:21 AM
Well, Mr. Robot should be very honored.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: msmarple on March 04, 2007, 11:56:40 AM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Morning Monkeys! I just wanted to see the new emoticons ...

 :bounce:  

Hummm. Seems that once you pick one from the new popup, it won't display again  :wink:   :oops:   :?:  -- but you can still pick one from the standard choices.


Tom - And I went to the Lunch thread and posted; I couldn't get the new emoticons to display.  (Are you working on them as we type?)  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: scared-tom on March 04, 2007, 12:01:07 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Quote from: "msmarple"
Morning Monkeys! I just wanted to see the new emoticons ...

 :bounce:  

Hummm. Seems that once you pick one from the new popup, it won't display again  :wink:   :oops:   :?:  -- but you can still pick one from the standard choices.


Tom - And I went to the Lunch thread and posted; I couldn't get the new emoticons to display.  (Are you working on them as we type?)  :lol:


try it now ... I was working on them a few minutes ago


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: BTgirl on March 04, 2007, 12:03:26 PM
Quote from: "scared-tom"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Those are great! (Do ya think we could have a "smooch" in that list too? Maybe this one? (http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/10.gif))

Thanks!  :D


Smooch and 100 more are added. That shouls be all for the smilies as too many could be confusing. Especially for me....  :smt100  :smt038  

Here is one for Robot :smt032


You are soooooo wonderful!  :smt058  :smooch  :smooch  :smooch


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: msmarple on March 04, 2007, 12:08:30 PM
OK, here goes ...

 :smt031   :smt113  :smt015

Well, that was interesting ... Now, instead of a little popup, they're opening as a new tab (I'm using the new IE).

And the tab stays open, and you can choose as many as you like.

Some of the labels are missing?

:smt024


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2007, 12:10:42 PM
:smt116  :smt118  :smt119  :smt120  :smt068


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Buckeye on March 04, 2007, 12:14:36 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
:smt116  :smt118  :smt119  :smt120  :smt068


I bet I know which one will be San's signature. And on really bad days...maybe this one   :smt066


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: msmarple on March 04, 2007, 12:14:38 PM
We don't seem to have lost anything ... I headed straight for the M&C thread, of course, but everything else seems to be there.

Thanks Tom!   :cheers:    :salut:

We're gonna be like kids in a candy store ... :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: mishy on March 04, 2007, 12:22:04 PM
Quote from: "scared-tom"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Those are great! (Do ya think we could have a "smooch" in that list too? Maybe this one? (http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/10.gif))

Thanks!  :D


Smooch and 100 more are added. That shouls be all for the smilies as too many could be confusing. Especially for me....  :smt100  :smt038  

Here is one for Robot :smt032


Thanks for all your hard work, Tom.  You're the greatest!!!!!:smt008


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: mishy on March 04, 2007, 12:25:11 PM
heh heh...I kissed Tom  :lol:  :shock:  :smt055  :smooch


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: mishy on March 04, 2007, 12:26:41 PM
Hey MsMarple..I hear ya'll had a great time at the monkey lunch yesterday!!!! Wish I coulda been there with ya'll!! :smt022


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: msmarple on March 04, 2007, 12:44:23 PM
Quote from: "mishy"
Hey MsMarple..I hear ya'll had a great time at the monkey lunch yesterday!!!! Wish I coulda been there with ya'll!! :smt022


Oh dear - please don't cry! {{{HUGS}}} Next time!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: BTgirl on March 04, 2007, 12:45:43 PM
Quote from: "mishy"
heh heh...I kissed Tom  :lol:  :shock:  :smt055  :smooch


Isn't smooching fun?  :smt023  :smt052  :smt045  :cheers:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2007, 12:48:36 PM
SAN is having problems getting into the forum, so in her honor:

 :smt067  :smt068  :smt070  :smt071  :smt072


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: mishy on March 04, 2007, 12:49:58 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "mishy"
heh heh...I kissed Tom  :lol:  :shock:  :smt055  :smooch


Isn't smooching fun?  :smt023  :smt052  :smt045  :cheers:


uh-huh  :oops:  :wink:  :smt026  :smt041


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Artcolley on March 04, 2007, 12:56:56 PM
Oh....YIPPEEEEE
The forum is back up!!!!!

Thanks, Klaas and Scared Tom, Red, and all involved...you did a fantastic job!!!!!!

Now. I must try these new emoticons!  :lol:

 :chef:
This is appropriate since I am making a spaghetti sauce right now! :pig:
Hehehe


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 04, 2007, 12:57:26 PM
Yeah! We're back! Thanks, Tom!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 04, 2007, 01:04:56 PM
Klaas, while we were down, I fixed this for Patti. I wasn't sure if you had done one for her or not. My wireless was out overnight so I had to use what I had.
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/pattistpad.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/pattistpad.gif


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2007, 01:07:19 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Klaas, while we were down, I fixed this for Patti. I wasn't sure if you had done one for her or not. My wireless was out overnight so I had to use what I had.
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/pattistpad.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/pattistpad.gif


COOL - I didn't get a chance to work on it and was just going to ask if you would!  Perfect!  I'm sure Patti will love it!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: mishy on March 04, 2007, 01:11:40 PM
so cute CBB! You do such gorgeous work!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: nonesuche on March 04, 2007, 01:16:56 PM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Quote from: "klaasend"
:smt116  :smt118  :smt119  :smt120  :smt068


I bet I know which one will be San's signature. And on really bad days...maybe this one   :smt066


 :lol:  :lol: too funny buckeye, where is San ?  :lol:

THANK YOU TOM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: nonesuche on March 04, 2007, 01:19:36 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
SAN is having problems getting into the forum, so in her honor:

 :smt067  :smt068  :smt070  :smt071  :smt072


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

 :cyclopsani: <--- hey here's joran

 :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: nonesuche on March 04, 2007, 01:21:01 PM
oh MeMere will have to cover her eyes with this one   :smt097

 :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2007, 01:22:49 PM
In February - GLENDA posted this lie at RU regarding Red and searching the landfill in Aruba:

Glenda
Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 10:43 pm    

He actually never went into the Dump. The "I'm so sick" thing he tried to pull off with his wife and monkeys was actually too many Tequilla shots with Renfro.  

Today - Arubagirl posted in the same thread at RU:

arubagirl
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 12:00 pm    

Hi all, long time no see.

If you'll allow me to set the record straight, Red DID go twice into the dump, I am certain of this since both times I was the taxi service.

I'm not trying to defend him, I just don't want to be called a liar.

Please, do carry on.


ARUBAGIRL - Thank you for being honest!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: msmarple on March 04, 2007, 01:23:06 PM
O/T - This is last night's lunar eclipse; between two columns somewhere in Brazil. I love this picture.

This "red moon" eclipse was described somewhere as "a collection of the world's sunsets ... "

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b367/cli2/redeclipse.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2007, 01:24:26 PM
I should do a video with RENFRO lies but Youtube limits the videos to 10 minutes  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: mishy on March 04, 2007, 01:25:22 PM
Thanks for posting that pic, MsMarple...It's such a wonder.... I love it!!!!!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: nonesuche on March 04, 2007, 01:26:54 PM
sheezam ! it seems Red and Klaas give AG the benefit of the doubt, such a shame she can't defend Red?

 :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2007, 01:27:25 PM
Just posted at FOB:

rosalia2006
Member
 

Joined:  Sat Feb 25th, 2006
Location:    
Posts:  45
Mana:  
   
Scared monkeys is unavailable
Do you think someone finally SCARED them offline?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2007, 01:28:36 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
sheezam ! it seems Red and Klaas give AG the benefit of the doubt, such a shame she can't defend Red?

 :roll:

Because if she does defend him at RU they'd probably ban her, lol  :lol:

Edited to add:  She did'nt have to post anything, but chose to be honest and let them know GLENDA lied.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: nonesuche on March 04, 2007, 01:29:20 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
I should do a video with RENFRO lies but Youtube limits the videos to 10 minutes  :lol:


hey this is for renho then  :smt110


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: mishy on March 04, 2007, 01:29:34 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
In February - GLENDA posted this lie at RU regarding Red and searching the landfill in Aruba:

Glenda
Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 10:43 pm    

He actually never went into the Dump. The "I'm so sick" thing he tried to pull off with his wife and monkeys was actually too many Tequilla shots with Renfro.  

Today - Arubagirl posted in the same thread at RU:

arubagirl
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 12:00 pm    

Hi all, long time no see.

If you'll allow me to set the record straight, Red DID go twice into the dump, I am certain of this since both times I was the taxi service.

I'm not trying to defend him, I just don't want to be called a liar.

Please, do carry on.


ARUBAGIRL - Thank you for being honest!


Glenda :arrow:  :smt097  :smt098  :smt014  :smt021

AG  :arrow:  :smt023  :smt038


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: msmarple on March 04, 2007, 01:30:02 PM
Didn't Native also do some driving for Red?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: nonesuche on March 04, 2007, 01:30:19 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
sheezam ! it seems Red and Klaas give AG the benefit of the doubt, such a shame she can't defend Red?

 :roll:

Because if she does defend him at RU they'd probably ban her, lol  :lol:

Edited to add:  She did'nt have to post anything, but chose to be honest and let them know GLENDA lied.


and this would be a problem because ???  :smt102

birds of a feather as they say.....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: nonesuche on March 04, 2007, 01:32:28 PM
did Tom find this one for the infamous Joran too ?  :safe:

 :smt044


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Artcolley on March 04, 2007, 01:35:43 PM
I have been wondering about the RU label and what it stands for..

I can only think it must be "Retards Unlimited?"
 

And FOB..is that "Full of Bullshite?"

I dunno...seems sort of a reasonable conclusion to me.

 :smt083


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 04, 2007, 01:38:28 PM
hey None? How do I buy cookies?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: BTgirl on March 04, 2007, 01:39:50 PM
Rut roh - I just realized that a VERY important smiley was omitted.

(http://bestsmileys.com/dental/2.gif)

 :smt043  :smt044


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Artcolley on March 04, 2007, 01:40:34 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Rut roh - I just realized that a VERY important smiley was omitted.

(http://bestsmileys.com/dental/2.gif)

 :smt043  :smt044


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: nonesuche on March 04, 2007, 01:41:14 PM
Art it's so good to have you back  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 04, 2007, 01:41:44 PM
:smt039  :smt038

Hi...tell San it took a while for the page to update, but I'm in!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: nonesuche on March 04, 2007, 01:42:22 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
hey None? How do I buy cookies?


hey sweetie, send me an email?  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: msmarple on March 04, 2007, 01:43:58 PM
Quote from: "Artcolley"
I have been wondering about the RU label and what it stands for..

I can only think it must be "Retards Unlimited?"


And FOB..is that "Full of Bullshite?"

I dunno...seems sort of a reasonable conclusion to me.

 :smt083


Officially, Refugees Unleashed, Friends of Blog.
Your versions work equally well.

I *think* RU began specifically with people banned from SM (along with those who choose to leave). Much had to do with SM officially supporting the boycott - once Beth & Dave did. Along about October 2005, when J2K all were released. (I am not the best expert on this, though. I don't follow the other sites.)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 04, 2007, 01:44:05 PM
Quote from: "Artcolley"
I have been wondering about the RU label and what it stands for..

I can only think it must be "Retards Unlimited?"
 

And FOB..is that "Full of Bullshite?"

I dunno...seems sort of a reasonable conclusion to me.

 :smt083

 :lol:  :lol:

RU=
Rude Urchins

Rotten Underwear

Ripe Ulcers

I can't believe Red's kindness and humanity was trashed that way!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 04, 2007, 01:46:22 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
hey None? How do I buy cookies?


hey sweetie, send me an email?  :D


K. It's not in your profile, none.  :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Artcolley on March 04, 2007, 01:46:47 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Art it's so good to have you back  :lol:


Oh, None, ;It feels so good to be back.  It's been and continues to be a very long journey.

BUT...being able to be part of the monkeys has certainly helped me so much!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2007, 01:48:44 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
I have been wondering about the RU label and what it stands for..

I can only think it must be "Retards Unlimited?"


And FOB..is that "Full of Bullshite?"

I dunno...seems sort of a reasonable conclusion to me.

 :smt083


Officially, Refugees Unleashed, Friends of Blog.
Your versions work equally well.

I *think* RU began specifically with people banned from SM (along with those who choose to leave). Much had to do with SM officially supporting the boycott - once Beth & Dave did. Along about October 2005, when J2K all were released. (I am not the best expert on this, though. I don't follow the other sites.)

RU actually started out as Ceetvrefugees.  The forum was started by banned members of the Court TV message boards.  Then, as members of SM or BFN or RWV were banned, they found their way to Ceetvrefugees.  Their original site went down and when they started their new site they renamed it Refugees Unleashed.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: mishy on March 04, 2007, 01:48:45 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Rut roh - I just realized that a VERY important smiley was omitted.

(http://bestsmileys.com/dental/2.gif)

 :smt043  :smt044


 :mrgreen:  :flower:  :compress:  8)  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Artcolley on March 04, 2007, 01:49:12 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
I have been wondering about the RU label and what it stands for..

I can only think it must be "Retards Unlimited?"


And FOB..is that "Full of Bullshite?"

I dunno...seems sort of a reasonable conclusion to me.

 :smt083


Officially, Refugees Unleashed, Friends of Blog.
Your versions work equally well.

I *think* RU began specifically with people banned from SM (along with those who choose to leave). Much had to do with SM officially supporting the boycott - once Beth & Dave did. Along about October 2005, when J2K all were released. (I am not the best expert on this, though. I don't follow the other sites.)


So, in other words, a bunch of miscreants that no one else wanted to be associated with?  :geek:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: nonesuche on March 04, 2007, 01:50:47 PM
CBB - I think I have yours sweetie, I'll email you. How are you feeling? How's your friend healing?

I like the rotten underwear tag best for RU  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: mishy on March 04, 2007, 01:51:11 PM
You got it!!

Reprobates is what I prefer to call them...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: mishy on March 04, 2007, 01:52:57 PM
Ok, my beloved monkey dears...I'm going to go catch a nap before my mum gets back from FL and starts wreaking havoc  :shock:  :lol:  8)  :smt004  :smt066


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 04, 2007, 01:53:46 PM
Well I can think of a couple of posters that used to be here and are thankfully gone that would single-handedly scare me off! I've never been to their website, and am so grateful that SM has a way of weeding out the bad apples.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Artcolley on March 04, 2007, 01:54:51 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
I have been wondering about the RU label and what it stands for..

I can only think it must be "Retards Unlimited?"
 

And FOB..is that "Full of Bullshite?"

I dunno...seems sort of a reasonable conclusion to me.

 :smt083

 :lol:  :lol:

RU=
Rude Urchins

Rotten Underwear

Ripe Ulcers

I can't believe Red's kindness and humanity was trashed that way!


I like your descriptions, too!!!! :lol:
They all work for me!

I CAN believe Red was trashed that way from THOSE people. people? I think I'll think about that one for awhle.
They have a pattern they follow..always trash the "good guy".
God Forbid, Red had actually found something of importance there, they would have accused him of planting it.

THere are and have always been those sorts of people on this planet...the scum of the Earth types. The type that always cheers the criminal and taunt the victims. So, they band together and form their own little community of misfits since decent people won't tolerate them.

Personally, they aren;t worth a serious thought. I am just messin around right now while I cook my spaghetti sauce!  :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Artcolley on March 04, 2007, 01:55:49 PM
Quote from: "mishy"
You got it!!

Reprobates is what I prefer to call them...


Another excellent description! :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Artcolley on March 04, 2007, 01:57:00 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Well I can think of a couple of posters that used to be here and are thankfully gone that would single-handedly scare me off! I've never been to their website, and am so grateful that SM has a way of weeding out the bad apples.


Yeah, me too, CBB.
THere certainly are some strange ones out there lurking about!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Artcolley on March 04, 2007, 01:59:14 PM
Quote from: "mishy"
Ok, my beloved monkey dears...I'm going to go catch a nap before my mum gets back from FL and starts wreaking havoc  :shock:  :lol:  8)  :smt004  :smt066


Sleep tight, Mishy!!!!! ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz :smt015


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 04, 2007, 02:03:55 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
CBB - I think I have yours sweetie, I'll email you. How are you feeling? How's your friend healing?

I like the rotten underwear tag best for RU  :lol:


Thanks None! I've been at the lake since the wreck, with John: It's a one level ( well, everything required is on the main level ) and so I only have my lappy. Lot's of addresses, etc. aren't on this. He's in a new brace with a gauge lock that allows for slight bending of the knee. Every two weeks they'll increase the range of motion a bit as long as he's doing OK. It will be a minimum of 11 weeks before he can begin to weight bear. I'm able to move around so I keep him fed and bathed and take care of the pets, etc. I still can't wear a shoe, but am now in a soft coller. I'm much better!!! Thanks for asking.

I thought you might have a website. I want cookies, but also want to refer folks to you!  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: snoopy on March 04, 2007, 02:06:37 PM
Hi everybody!!

It sure is good to be back.  Thanks Tom, Red, and Klaasend for all your hard work.  Ya'll are the best.

And the new emoticons.......WOOHOO

 :cheers:    :smt038  :thumright:  

for BT  :smooch  

for San  :smt068


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 04, 2007, 02:11:22 PM
Quote from: "snoopy"
Hi everybody!!

It sure is good to be back.  Thanks Tom, Red, and Klaasend for all your hard work.  Ya'll are the best.

And the new emoticons.......WOOHOO

 :cheers:    :smt038  :thumright:  

for BT  :smooch  

for San  :smt068


Snoopy, I love your little pooch! I made you a St Pat's avatar but honestly, that pic is priceless. Maybe I'll just add a "little" something to that one, and you can decide if you want it or not. I can't top it, that's for sure!  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Artcolley on March 04, 2007, 02:11:32 PM
Quote from: "snoopy"
Hi everybody!!

It sure is good to be back.  Thanks Tom, Red, and Klaasend for all your hard work.  Ya'll are the best.

And the new emoticons.......WOOHOO

 :cheers:    :smt038  :thumright:  

for BT  :smooch  

for San  :smt068


Hya, Snoopy!!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: BIGORANGECRUSH on March 04, 2007, 02:17:06 PM
BOC on a fly by!! :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: snoopy on March 04, 2007, 02:19:50 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "snoopy"
Hi everybody!!

It sure is good to be back.  Thanks Tom, Red, and Klaasend for all your hard work.  Ya'll are the best.

And the new emoticons.......WOOHOO

 :cheers:    :smt038  :thumright:  

for BT  :smooch  

for San  :smt068


Snoopy, I love your little pooch! I made you a St Pat's avatar but honestly, that pic is priceless. Maybe I'll just add a "little" something to that one, and you can decide if you want it or not. I can't top it, that's for sure!  :wink:


Thanks CBB.  She's a cutey huh?  Klaasend got her for me.   Anything you want to do will be fine.  :thumright:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: snoopy on March 04, 2007, 02:21:13 PM
Hi Art!!  You doing ok?

Howdy BOC!!  You stayin outta trouble?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: snoopy on March 04, 2007, 02:23:23 PM
BBL ya'll.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: msmarple on March 04, 2007, 02:25:12 PM
klaas - Re. RU - thanks for that explanation. I had never even heard of the ceetv phase.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2007, 02:25:45 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
klaas - Re. RU - thanks for that explanation. I had never even heard of the ceetv phase.

Yep, that was phase one, phase two was RU.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Artcolley on March 04, 2007, 02:39:47 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "msmarple"
klaas - Re. RU - thanks for that explanation. I had never even heard of the ceetv phase.

Yep, that was phase one, phase two was RU.


INteresting, Klass!!!
So, they've been booted out of EVERYWHERE , roflmao!!!!
ANd they still haven't gotten a clue!!!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: justinsmama on March 04, 2007, 02:52:12 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
I should do a video with RENFRO lies but Youtube limits the videos to 10 minutes  :lol:


LOL @ klaas!

Wish I'd been awake to see the eclipse (slept all w/e, recovering from this URI   :smt033 ). The pic is beautiful.

Yes, thank you AG for being honest.

The emoticons rock! I like these guyz:  :smt117  LOL!

Glad the lunchen monkeys had a good time!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 04, 2007, 03:06:59 PM
:smt070 Oh boy watch out :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2007, 03:09:17 PM
Quote from: "San"
:smt070 Oh boy watch out :lol:

Finally!   :smt071  :smt041


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 04, 2007, 03:17:27 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "San"
:smt070 Oh boy watch out :lol:

Finally!   :smt071  :smt041

Yeah Klaas I got on through Explorer but I still can't get on through AOL.  Should I turn over a new leaf  :smt059


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2007, 03:19:05 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "San"
:smt070 Oh boy watch out :lol:

Finally!   :smt071  :smt041

Yeah Klaas I got on through Explorer but I still can't get on through AOL.  Should I turn over a new leaf  :smt059

Interresting that AOL is taking longer.  I'll remember to tell others that can't get in still.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 04, 2007, 03:32:08 PM
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/SnoopyAvatar3.gif)

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/SnoopyAvatar3.gif


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: scared-tom on March 04, 2007, 03:40:58 PM
Quote from: "mishy"
heh heh...I kissed Tom  :lol:  :shock:  :smt055  :smooch

blush... :smt043


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2007, 03:47:27 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/GrantJoran.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 04, 2007, 04:00:57 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/GrantJoran.gif)

I was going to ask you if you could do one with that guys picture.  Talk about nuts. :smt096


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2007, 04:03:02 PM
San - my point that I'm sure YOU got, is that family and friends rarely believe their relative/friend would ever do anything to harm another person.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 04, 2007, 04:05:49 PM
You know, for a while before they caught him, the thought was that he'd commit suicide. I had a gut feeling he wouldn't. Something about his crime just screamed to me that this guy was a coward on top of everything else. I think the fact that he was calling people made me think he was looking for sympathy. He gets none from me.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 04, 2007, 04:08:31 PM
Klaas, that's an interesting point you just made. I can't make up my mind if Anita really KNOWS what happened or if she's got thick blinders on. What do you think?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 04, 2007, 04:08:34 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
San - my point that I'm sure YOU got, is that family and friends rarely believe their relative/friend would ever do anything to harm another person.

Yes I got your point.  As soon as I saw the picture of him I was like YIKES he killed her.  I felt the same way about Joran when I saw his picture I knew he killed Natalee.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2007, 04:11:09 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Klaas, that's an interesting point you just made. I can't make up my mind if Anita really KNOWS what happened or if she's got thick blinders on. What do you think?

I think she protects her son.  I think she knows he has a temper.  I also believe she knows what happened to Natalee but may not have been told the truth how it happened.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 04, 2007, 04:13:13 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
You know, for a while before they caught him, the thought was that he'd commit suicide. I had a gut feeling he wouldn't. Something about his crime just screamed to me that this guy was a coward on top of everything else. I think the fact that he was calling people made me think he was looking for sympathy. He gets none from me.

I knew he wouldn't commit suicide.  This was part of his plan in order to fool people so he could make his get away.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 04, 2007, 04:13:33 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Klaas, that's an interesting point you just made. I can't make up my mind if Anita really KNOWS what happened or if she's got thick blinders on. What do you think?

I think she protects her son.  I think she knows he has a temper.  I also believe she knows what happened to Natalee but may not have been told the truth how it happened.


Good answer! That's the most plausible answer I've heard.  :salut:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2007, 04:14:33 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
You know, for a while before they caught him, the thought was that he'd commit suicide. I had a gut feeling he wouldn't. Something about his crime just screamed to me that this guy was a coward on top of everything else. I think the fact that he was calling people made me think he was looking for sympathy. He gets none from me.

I knew he wouldn't commit suicide.  This was part of his plan in order to fool people so he could make his get away.

I didn't think he would commit suicide either.  He's a coward and a wimp.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: robots on March 04, 2007, 04:14:43 PM
TESTING TESTING


GLENDA is a GAS BAG


yep..it works

 :lol:  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2007, 04:17:37 PM
Quote from: "robots"
TESTING TESTING


GLENDA is a GAS BAG


yep..it works

 :lol:  8)


Check out the new smilies Robot - even one for you!

 :smt032


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 04, 2007, 04:17:48 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Klaas, that's an interesting point you just made. I can't make up my mind if Anita really KNOWS what happened or if she's got thick blinders on. What do you think?

CBB let me make your mind up for you.  ANITA KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED AND WHERE... :smt093


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 04, 2007, 04:18:19 PM
:oops:  :lol:

I just found the emoticons!!!!

THANK YOU, TOM!

I thought you guys had found a new "smiley" site!  :bounce: yippee!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: robots on March 04, 2007, 04:20:03 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "robots"
TESTING TESTING


GLENDA is a GAS BAG


yep..it works

 :lol:  8)


Check out the new smilies Robot - even one for you!

 :smt032


ok
checking them out now 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 04, 2007, 04:20:20 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Klaas, that's an interesting point you just made. I can't make up my mind if Anita really KNOWS what happened or if she's got thick blinders on. What do you think?

CBB let me make your mind up for you.  ANITA KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED AND WHERE... :smt093


Are you sure, San?  :lol:  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 04, 2007, 04:26:42 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Klaas, that's an interesting point you just made. I can't make up my mind if Anita really KNOWS what happened or if she's got thick blinders on. What do you think?

CBB let me make your mind up for you.  ANITA KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED AND WHERE... :smt093


Are you sure, San?  :lol:  :wink:

And so does a lot of other people but they aren’t saying because this crime was horrific.  Not an accidental OD a down right murder.  JMO.  :smt066


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 04, 2007, 04:27:28 PM
By the way I'm dying to use a certain smiley but I'm being good :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2007, 04:27:34 PM
FYI - pass this along to anyone that may tell you via email that can't get into the forum.  I just tested and if you try to get into the forum via AOL the site appears to still be down.  That is a DNS issue and it's just taking a while for AOL to get caught up.  Nothing we can do.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 04, 2007, 04:31:39 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
FYI - pass this along to anyone that may tell you via email that can't get into the forum.  I just tested and if you try to get into the forum via AOL the site appears to still be down.  That is a DNS issue and it's just taking a while for AOL to get caught up.  Nothing we can do.

I did send it to someone already.  I'm going to forward it on to others.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 04, 2007, 04:38:51 PM
I agree, San. There are a lot of folks who know what happened. I'm amazed it hasn't come out yet. A secret like that won't be kept forever. To me, the mere fact that the reward $ didn't entice someone says that those who know are INVOLVED or more scared of repercussions than they are in need of money.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: mishy on March 04, 2007, 04:49:17 PM
Hey monks...I'm up from my  :smt015 now...and was just watching  something onn E! about famous murders. They were just featuring the case on Tupak Shakur and pointed out that many people know who killed him, but they aren't talking. I immediately thought of J2K and company  :twisted: I did feel hope, however, that there at least might be a death bed confession in the Tupak case...I pray that what happened to Natalee comes out much sooner than any of these freaks in Aruba are on their death bed :smt084  :smt084  :smt078  :smt071  :smt072  :smt073


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 04, 2007, 04:55:27 PM
I wouldn't be disappointed to see that death bed a little sooner for some of them.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: mishy on March 04, 2007, 04:57:02 PM
Also....Cat emailed me earlier saying that in today's Travel section, the Birmingham News says that the Aruba Marriot is rated a top 10 family friendly place for Spring Break.

I think these people need to hear from us. It completely shocked me and I really felt like it was so "in your face" and heartless...I am really upset about it, to say the least. I feel it is a huge betrayal and would have never thought I'd see such a thing in any newspaper in the entire state of AL, let alone in the Birmingham News!!   :evil:  :x  :smt013

Is Governor Riley supporting the boycott? :scratch:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: mishy on March 04, 2007, 04:58:04 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
I wouldn't be disappointed to see that death bed a little sooner for some of them.


It wouldn't break my heart either CBB...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 04, 2007, 05:01:18 PM
Quote from: "mishy"
Also....Cat emailed me earlier saying that in today's Travel section, the Birmingham News says that the Aruba Marriot is rated a top 10 family friendly place for Spring Break.

I think these people need to hear from us. It completely shocked me and I really felt like it was so "in your face" and heartless...I am really upset about it, to say the least. I feel it is a huge betrayal and would have never thought I'd see such a thing in any newspaper in the entire state of AL, let alone in the Birmingham News!!   :evil:  :x  :smt013

Is Governor Riley supporting the boycott? :scratch:


 :shock:  :scratch:

Maybe if you're family is the Soprano's........


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on March 04, 2007, 05:05:04 PM
My refeshes seem very slow. I use Google. I have to go to work tomorrow and there is no applicable emoticon for that that I can find. :roll:  :roll: Grown ( well in years ) woman writhing on floor kicking feet !! Shouting Why Why Why ! ! Wearing the house outfit, sleep pants and a wife beater shirt.  
I'll try from work, better ( faster )  service provider.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 04, 2007, 05:05:49 PM
Hi Monkeys! Yeaaaaaaaaa the forum is back, thanks Tom!! I got into the forum through AOL. What I did was to run the free clean-up program, to get rid of everything on my cache. Sometimes, if I just try to clear cookies, I cannot quite get everything. This Clean-up works great, gets everything off!... free clean-up > http://www.stevengould.org/software/cleanup/


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2007, 05:06:58 PM
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
My refeshes seem very slow. I use Google. I have to go to work tomorrow and there is no applicable emoticon for that that I can find. :roll:  :roll: Grown ( well in years ) woman writhing on floor kicking feet !! Shouting Why Why Why ! ! Wearing the house outfit, sleep pants and a wife beater shirt.  
I'll try from work, better ( faster )  service provider.

Kat_Gram - mine were too a few minutes ago but I rebooted my PC and I'm as quick as lightening now, lol  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2007, 05:08:29 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Hi Monkeys! Yeaaaaaaaaa the forum is back, thanks Tom!! I got into the forum through AOL. What I did was to run the free clean-up program, to get rid of everything on my cache. Sometimes, if I just try to clear cookies, I cannot quite get everything. This Clean-up works great, gets everything off!... free clean-up > http://www.stevengould.org/software/cleanup/


Good deal, so AOL is saving the old cookie to the site which is stopping people from being able to get in.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 04, 2007, 05:15:42 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Hi Monkeys! Yeaaaaaaaaa the forum is back, thanks Tom!! I got into the forum through AOL. What I did was to run the free clean-up program, to get rid of everything on my cache. Sometimes, if I just try to clear cookies, I cannot quite get everything. This Clean-up works great, gets everything off!... free clean-up > http://www.stevengould.org/software/cleanup/


Good deal, so AOL is saving the old cookie to the site which is stopping people from being able to get in.
Probably. So I ran the cleanup, and i did the instructions that Tom gave...Click Start then Run
type cmd and hit enter
then type this exactly — ipconfig /flushdns  ...., and presto, got in through my aol. Hope it works for the others!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 04, 2007, 05:17:52 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "mishy"
Also....Cat emailed me earlier saying that in today's Travel section, the Birmingham News says that the Aruba Marriot is rated a top 10 family friendly place for Spring Break.

I think these people need to hear from us. It completely shocked me and I really felt like it was so "in your face" and heartless...I am really upset about it, to say the least. I feel it is a huge betrayal and would have never thought I'd see such a thing in any newspaper in the entire state of AL, let alone in the Birmingham News!!   :evil:  :x  :smt013

Is Governor Riley supporting the boycott? :scratch:


 :shock:  :scratch:

Maybe if you're family is the Soprano's........
Does anyone have the link to this Birmingham news site? TIA


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: mishy on March 04, 2007, 05:29:35 PM
Lanie:

www.al.com and then you click Birmingham and then you can click travel. I haven't found it yet and it might just be in the printed version.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: sb on March 04, 2007, 05:43:42 PM
The Birmingham News is NOT in the family's corner.  Believe that. They were extremely slack in their reporting of the case after the first couple of weeks and have toned it down to nothing.

They are trying to sell papers to a demographic that is NOT too worried about a missing Mountain Brook girl. Sad to say but it is true.

It's unfortunate, but I know many of our out-of-town Monkeys have picked up on the class envy that is engendered in Birmingham whenever the subject of Mountain Bbrook comes up.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Sam on March 04, 2007, 05:50:58 PM
Ok HI Monkeys,

I finaly made it to this page by way of Internet explorer.

 I am so glad to be in here where I have an avatar and folks know which Sam is me. I have never known this other Sam posted on the front page. I do know the other Sam once posted to some site and made a snide coment about BHT. I was very upset about it because I was afraid folks would think it was me.

This other Sam was as far as I know not a member of Blogs for Natalee because I joined there as Sam as I have any forum I have joined. This other Sam was posting in Blogs for Natalee chat. I discovered it accidently when I went into the chat.

Evidently we have a different posting style and I was booted out of the chat because I was in there when the other one came in. The other one had been posting in there for awhile.

Debbie the administrator there suggested I sign into that chat as SM Sam. So I do but if I post at Blogs for Natalee I am still Sam. I know that is more than you wanted to know. LOL

This is a test post anyway.  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Sam on March 04, 2007, 05:54:05 PM
Hey anyone who is here. Is my avatar blinking like crazy to you or is it my problem?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Sam on March 04, 2007, 05:56:46 PM
It looks like it fixed itself so I am going to try to read some of the other pages.Be right back.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Anna on March 04, 2007, 06:12:58 PM
Quote from: "sb"
The Birmingham News is NOT in the family's corner.  Believe that. They were extremely slack in their reporting of the case after the first couple of weeks and have toned it down to nothing.

They are trying to sell papers to a demographic that is NOT too worried about a missing Mountain Brook girl. Sad to say but it is true.

It's unfortunate, but I know many of our out-of-town Monkeys have picked up on the class envy that is engendered in Birmingham whenever the subject of Mountain Bbrook comes up.


Birmingham News = Liberal rag.  They don't like Governor Riley either.   :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: justinsmama on March 04, 2007, 06:21:36 PM
It is tragic that that newspaper has not supported Natalee's family. She and they are part of that community, and have done NOTHING wrong. It is the perps and Aruban authorities that are the wrongdoers. Thank God that Nat and her family have others, including us.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 04, 2007, 06:38:08 PM
Hello Monkey mates!
Back home again - and it feels good!  Was quiet on the FP yesterday, even the regulars were missing.
I suppose now I am here everyone has shot through.......
Clicked in earlier and read a few pages, then went to hang out washing, get coffee and when I sat down the site had gone poof! again.
Back to normal now and loads and refreshes much faster.
Thank you Tom and all concerned for giving us a better cage.
My suggestion for the meaning of RU is "Ratbags Unhinged"   :evil:
Is there a prize for the best title?
For the moon watching monkeys there is a good site with images at www.spaceweather.com  Some good shots sent in by the public.
One spectacular one is taken of the lighthouse at Cape Cod.  Beautiful!
Checking out the new emoticons.  Is there a sarcasm one?  I could use that one a lot  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 04, 2007, 06:41:45 PM
Quote from: "sb"
The Birmingham News is NOT in the family's corner.  Believe that. They were extremely slack in their reporting of the case after the first couple of weeks and have toned it down to nothing.

They are trying to sell papers to a demographic that is NOT too worried about a missing Mountain Brook girl. Sad to say but it is true.

It's unfortunate, but I know many of our out-of-town Monkeys have picked up on the class envy that is engendered in Birmingham whenever the subject of Mountain Bbrook comes up.


Hi sb - hope you are feeling better today.  Thinking of you.
This newspaper would be like a lot of others - follow the money and be damned to anyone else regardless.  A sad state of affairs and makes you wonder where this focus on money and material possessions will finally end.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 04, 2007, 06:57:35 PM
Testing a post from AOL :smt119


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on March 04, 2007, 06:59:29 PM
Test.. :)

 :smt071

Howdy San..    :wink:

Hey all!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: thecuz on March 04, 2007, 07:00:23 PM
klaas or san....where do i go to look at some youtube videos that ya'll have been working on???


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2007, 07:00:34 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Test.. :)

 :smt071

Howdy San..    :wink:

Hey all!


Hi Angie - AOL or Internet Explorer?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2007, 07:01:48 PM
Quote from: "thecuz"
klaas or san....where do i go to look at some youtube videos that ya'll have been working on???

I put links to the last four in the Important Case Document forum:

Joran, Deepak, Satish and Dompig

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=906


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 04, 2007, 07:06:17 PM
I wonder if the Kalpoes are feeling the heat from their lawsuit  :lol: .

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/GettingHot.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 04, 2007, 07:09:09 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "thecuz"
klaas or san....where do i go to look at some youtube videos that ya'll have been working on???

I put links to the last four in the Important Case Document forum:

Joran, Deepak, Satish and Dompig

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=906

Klaas are you going to do one for Anita and Paulus.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2007, 07:10:15 PM
:smt059    :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2007, 07:10:58 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "thecuz"
klaas or san....where do i go to look at some youtube videos that ya'll have been working on???

I put links to the last four in the Important Case Document forum:

Joran, Deepak, Satish and Dompig

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=906

Klaas are you going to do one for Anita and Paulus.

I probably will.  Just need a bit of a break.  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tylergal on March 04, 2007, 07:15:31 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "sb"
The Birmingham News is NOT in the family's corner.  Believe that. They were extremely slack in their reporting of the case after the first couple of weeks and have toned it down to nothing.

They are trying to sell papers to a demographic that is NOT too worried about a missing Mountain Brook girl. Sad to say but it is true.

It's unfortunate, but I know many of our out-of-town Monkeys have picked up on the class envy that is engendered in Birmingham whenever the subject of Mountain Bbrook comes up.


Birmingham News = Liberal rag.  They don't like Governor Riley either.   :evil:


Class envy, first class.  They destroyed Pat Dye and tried to destroy the Iron Bowl game.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tylergal on March 04, 2007, 07:16:57 PM
Quote from: "San"
I wonder if the Kalpoes are feeling the heat from their lawsuit  :lol: .

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/GettingHot.jpg)


Double double toil and trouble, burn, Aruba as San's caldron bubbles.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: mishy on March 04, 2007, 07:17:14 PM
San LOLOLOL! Very nice...

Tibo, I've been looking at that lunar eclipse sight...amazing stuff!!! Thanks for posting it... :wink:  :smooch


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: thecuz on March 04, 2007, 07:27:39 PM
WOW.... klaas just watched....very poweful images there...thanks for all your hardwork!!
that last one...dompig's....the music was so haunting....kind of has me riled up :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on March 04, 2007, 07:35:46 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Test.. :)

 :smt071

Howdy San..    :wink:

Hey all!


Hi Angie - AOL or Internet Explorer?


 Klass I signed in with IE and I can read as well on AOL..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on March 04, 2007, 07:37:19 PM
Quote from: "thecuz"
WOW.... klaas just watched....very poweful images there...thanks for all your hardwork!!
that last one...dompig's....the music was so haunting....kind of has me riled up :twisted:


Hey you!!  :)
I got behind..LOL
Was on the phone with San and my brother called me right after!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on March 04, 2007, 07:39:07 PM
OT  but wonder if anyone here has the new Windows Vista??
Having some troubles getting to different places with it?  
If you have my email.. email me   TYIA!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2007, 07:39:17 PM
Quote from: "thecuz"
WOW.... klaas just watched....very poweful images there...thanks for all your hardwork!!
that last one...dompig's....the music was so haunting....kind of has me riled up :twisted:

Thanks Cuz - actually the music is the hardest part.  Hard to find the right music  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Sam on March 04, 2007, 07:48:01 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
OT  but wonder if anyone here has the new Windows Vista??
Having some troubles getting to different places with it?  
If you have my email.. email me   TYIA!


Angie I just tried to email you from My addy that does nor receive email. This is the response I received.
The following problems occurred while processing your request:

 This is not a known member.

Your mail has not been sent.  Please correct the problems listed and try again.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on March 04, 2007, 07:48:46 PM
Quote from: "Sam"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
OT  but wonder if anyone here has the new Windows Vista??
Having some troubles getting to different places with it?  
If you have my email.. email me   TYIA!


Angie I just tried to email you from My addy that does nor receive email. This is the response I received.
The following problems occurred while processing your request:

 This is not a known member.

Your mail has not been sent.  Please correct the problems listed and try again.


Hmmmmmmmmm
Angiex911dsptchr@aol.com


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Sam on March 04, 2007, 07:52:36 PM
That is the one I used Angie


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on March 04, 2007, 07:54:28 PM
Quote from: "Sam"
That is the one I used Angie


 Thats odd?
Are you on IM?  First few letters of your name
Oc?  

K I got an email that said testng again??  lol


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Sam on March 04, 2007, 07:54:45 PM
I tried again using your link and it went though


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 04, 2007, 07:57:30 PM
OK I thought my problem was solved but it's not.  Having a problem with AOL again and I'm on Explorer :smt100  :smt005


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on March 04, 2007, 07:59:07 PM
Quote from: "San"
OK I thought my problem was solved but it's not.  Having a problem with AOL again and I'm on Explorer :smt100  :smt005


 Yikes  :shock:
  Wonder why? you had it working??  :(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2007, 07:59:28 PM
Quote from: "San"
OK I thought my problem was solved but it's not.  Having a problem with AOL again and I'm on Explorer :smt100  :smt005

Let's give it until tomorrow and see if there are still problems.  Tom indicated it could take as long as 48 hours for everyone to be working like normal.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 04, 2007, 08:00:19 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "San"
OK I thought my problem was solved but it's not.  Having a problem with AOL again and I'm on Explorer :smt100  :smt005


 Yikes  :shock:
  Wonder why? you had it working??  :(

I don't know Angie.  I signed off and got the same message as before.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 04, 2007, 08:01:12 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "San"
OK I thought my problem was solved but it's not.  Having a problem with AOL again and I'm on Explorer :smt100  :smt005

Let's give it until tomorrow and see if there are still problems.  Tom indicated it could take as long as 48 hours for everyone to be working like normal.

OK Klaas.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: yapperz1 on March 04, 2007, 08:09:09 PM
Hiya Monkeys
Sure do wish all Monkeys could have been at the luncheon yesterday.
We had a great time, great food & great conversation. Can't wait to do it again.

IMO  RU = REJECTS UNLIMITED or REJECTS UNITED


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: msmarple on March 04, 2007, 08:10:18 PM
I'm just re-posting this because I like it so much.

Quote from: "msmarple"
O/T - This is last night's lunar eclipse; between two columns somewhere in Brazil. I love this picture.

This "red moon" eclipse was described somewhere as "a collection of the world's sunsets ... "

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b367/cli2/redeclipse.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tylergal on March 04, 2007, 08:20:33 PM
Have a good one, Monkeys.  Good to see you all and thanks for getting the forum going.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on March 04, 2007, 08:30:40 PM
Quote from: "yapperz1"
Hiya Monkeys
Sure do wish all Monkeys could have been at the luncheon yesterday.
We had a great time, great food & great conversation. Can't wait to do it again.

IMO  RU = REJECTS UNLIMITED or REJECTS UNITED


 Glad you gals all had fun!!!  :)
Up from your nap huh?  LOL LOL
 You feel any better??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 04, 2007, 08:30:50 PM
Quote from: "Tylergal"
Have a good one, Monkeys.  Good to see you all and thanks for getting the forum going.

Have a good night Tyler.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 04, 2007, 08:40:08 PM
Wow!!!

I'm in, I think... we'll see how this posts.   :?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2007, 08:41:01 PM
This guy makes me sick.  They ALL say they are innocent.  Soon he'll be in court with a coloring book. :roll:

(http://www.foxnews.com/images/266840/0_63_grant_stephen.jpg)
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,256480,00.html

"What he had done to her was one of those things that I think people can only imagine by watching a movie or television or actually seeing and reading about in some kind of a novel," Hackel said. "It was very horrific what he did to her and again that's why we're so interesting in making sure he's held accountable for what took place."

Grant, 37, who had maintained his innocence in his wife's disappearance, fled before police searched his home Friday and Saturday in Washington Township, about 30 miles outside Detroit. Searchers found the torso in the garage and what were thought to be other parts of Tara Grant's body in a nearby park.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 04, 2007, 08:41:08 PM
Hello Everybody!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Mere on March 04, 2007, 08:41:59 PM
I might be here...!!!   :D

Hello friends.....thanks Tom and Klaas....back to read.....Mere


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2007, 08:44:11 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Klaas, while we were down, I fixed this for Patti. I wasn't sure if you had done one for her or not. My wireless was out overnight so I had to use what I had.
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/pattistpad.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/pattistpad.gif


Patti - Crazybabyborg made this for you!  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2007, 08:45:10 PM
Quote from: "MeMere"
I might be here...!!!   :D

Hello friends.....thanks Tom and Klaas....back to read.....Mere

Hi Mere - glad to see you made it!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: tcumom on March 04, 2007, 08:47:22 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
This guy makes me sick.  They ALL say they are innocent.  Soon he'll be in court with a coloring book. :roll:

(http://www.foxnews.com/images/266840/0_63_grant_stephen.jpg)
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,256480,00.html

"What he had done to her was one of those things that I think people can only imagine by watching a movie or television or actually seeing and reading about in some kind of a novel," Hackel said. "It was very horrific what he did to her and again that's why we're so interesting in making sure he's held accountable for what took place."

Grant, 37, who had maintained his innocence in his wife's disappearance, fled before police searched his home Friday and Saturday in Washington Township, about 30 miles outside Detroit. Searchers found the torso in the garage and what were thought to be other parts of Tara Grant's body in a nearby park.

He kinda looks like a brother to that runaway bride person.  Or maybe not?  I wonder if she's still mowing lawns in Georgia, as her community service.  icky. :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 04, 2007, 08:48:42 PM
Klaas!

I love it!!!

Can I have it now?

Oh my God!!!  It's so cute!

Thank you, Soooooo Much, Klaas!!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Mere on March 04, 2007, 08:55:34 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "MeMere"
I might be here...!!!   :D

Hello friends.....thanks Tom and Klaas....back to read.....Mere

Hi Mere - glad to see you made it!


Well...I made it for a moment....then gone....but I got "behind the scenes" help from a friend...hope I can stay for a while....anything good to read?
How was the lunch?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2007, 08:57:46 PM
Quote from: "Patti"
Klaas!

I love it!!!

Can I have it now?

Oh my God!!!  It's so cute!

Thank you, Soooooo Much, Klaas!!!!

You're welcome but CBB created that for you!  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2007, 09:00:05 PM
Quote from: "MeMere"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "MeMere"
I might be here...!!!   :D

Hello friends.....thanks Tom and Klaas....back to read.....Mere

Hi Mere - glad to see you made it!


Well...I made it for a moment....then gone....but I got "behind the scenes" help from a friend...hope I can stay for a while....anything good to read?
How was the lunch?

Of course, I did not go to the lunch but I understand everyone that did had a blast!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: igsigs on March 04, 2007, 09:03:53 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
GLENDA lied.

Ha !

Testing...1...2...3... :arrow:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 04, 2007, 09:10:54 PM
THANK YOU CRAZY BABY BORG!!!!

I love it!!!  It's so colorful.  You did a great job!

I'm sorry it took me so long to reply, but the system kept kicking back to the log-in screen.  

If you think I'm ignoring you, I'm not... I'm just having trouble with my computer.  I say MY computer because I'm sure it has nothing to do with the new system.  I'll give it till tomorrow.  I'm gonna run that clean up program tonight and see if that helps.

Any way,  Again, I thank you, Crazy Baby!  You've got real talent!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 04, 2007, 09:12:53 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
This guy makes me sick.  They ALL say they are innocent.  Soon he'll be in court with a coloring book. :roll:

(http://www.foxnews.com/images/266840/0_63_grant_stephen.jpg)
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,256480,00.html

"What he had done to her was one of those things that I think people can only imagine by watching a movie or television or actually seeing and reading about in some kind of a novel," Hackel said. "It was very horrific what he did to her and again that's why we're so interesting in making sure he's held accountable for what took place."

Grant, 37, who had maintained his innocence in his wife's disappearance, fled before police searched his home Friday and Saturday in Washington Township, about 30 miles outside Detroit. Searchers found the torso in the garage and what were thought to be other parts of Tara Grant's body in a nearby park.


I agree Klaas this guy makes me sick also.  You watch there will be more that comes out about him.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: justinsmama on March 04, 2007, 09:17:33 PM
Joran continues to maintain his innocence, too.  :smt046


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 04, 2007, 09:19:09 PM
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Joran continues to maintain his innocence, too.  :smt046
:smt067


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 04, 2007, 09:19:11 PM
Klaas!

LOL, LOL, LOL
 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

He does kinda look like he could be the brother of the run-away bride...

He's definately got that wild look in his eye, like, "Some say I'm crazy, but I'm not, I just like to cut my wife up in the garage, that's all!"

I haven't been following the story.  Last I heard, he had fled from the authorities... have they caught him yet?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 04, 2007, 09:24:15 PM
Hey San!

Lol  :lol:

What's for dinner?  A nice hot pot of Kalpoe Sloots Soup?

You need to paste that to the front page!!!  They'd love it!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 04, 2007, 09:26:03 PM
Quote from: "Patti"
Hey San!

Lol  :lol:

What's for dinner?  A nice hot pot of Kalpoe Sloots Soup?

You need to paste that to the front page!!!  They'd love it!!!

Hi Patti,

I don't know how to past that in the front page.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2007, 09:27:07 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Patti"
Hey San!

Lol  :lol:

What's for dinner?  A nice hot pot of Kalpoe Sloots Soup?

You need to paste that to the front page!!!  They'd love it!!!

Hi Patti,

I don't know how to past that in the front page.


You can paste the photobucket link without the IMG tags  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 04, 2007, 09:27:32 PM
Never mind...  

Silly me.

I missed the link.  But, then I found it!

Ohhhhh, Never mind  :?  :oops:  :?  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 04, 2007, 09:28:34 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Patti"
Hey San!

Lol  :lol:

What's for dinner?  A nice hot pot of Kalpoe Sloots Soup?

You need to paste that to the front page!!!  They'd love it!!!

Hi Patti,

I don't know how to past that in the front page.


You can paste the photobucket link without the IMG tags  :wink:

OK let me try.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Sam on March 04, 2007, 09:28:38 PM
Patti you look adorable.

MsMarple that photo of the moon was beautiful. I think you should keep posting it every few pages so it does not get missed.

Yes they did catch the guy. Why can't people just divorce when it is not working out? So many lives ruined in that murder. Her families, his family , there children. Just so darn sad.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 04, 2007, 09:30:37 PM
Well, I got back in again finally.  It is like trying to run through a revolving door - sometimes you make it and sometimes you do not.  I think OldFart has an emoticon  for that!

Msmarple - that is a lovely shot of the eclipse.  I will try and post another nice one taken at Cape Cod.

Mishy - glad you liked the site.

justinsmama You should have realised by now that all innocent people lie and run away and hide from the cops after a crime  :evil:

Patti Love your St Pat's Day avatar.  If you are good I will let you pick up some banana peels before you go home.   :lol:  :lol:

Off to post a pic and see if I can make it back through the gate if I shut myself out. Anything could happen today.  I am on Firefox.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 04, 2007, 09:33:42 PM
San:

I don't know... I just thought it would be great if you could.

One of the posters, specifically asked for that.  

How impressive that we got it for him that fast!

And they think monkeys are silly!!!   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
 

If you can't post it directly, you can, certainly, post a link to it.

  :arrow:  Link


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 04, 2007, 09:34:05 PM
OK Patti I posted it on the front page. :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Sam on March 04, 2007, 09:36:38 PM
Hey Klaas what exactly is a test moderator? Does this give you time off?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 04, 2007, 09:37:52 PM
Lunar Eclipse over Cape Cod Lighthouse

(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q263/Coonowrin/cook2_strip.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 04, 2007, 09:39:01 PM
Quote from: "Sam"
Hey Klaas what exactly is a test moderator? Does this give you time off?


Maybe it is the mystery monkey from the lunch?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 04, 2007, 09:40:39 PM
Klaas - I did not resize that photo as when it is smaller it loses the colour of the moon.
Glad I didn't blow the margins... Phew


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 04, 2007, 09:40:49 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Lunar Eclipse over Cape Cod Lighthouse

(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q263/Coonowrin/cook2_strip.jpg)

Can we make a Looney Eclipse over the Aruba Lighthouse with Joran's fat head as the moon :lol: .


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Sam on March 04, 2007, 09:41:14 PM
Quote from: "Sam"
Hey Klaas what exactly is a test moderator? Does this give you time off?


I hope not since the test moderator did not tell San how to post the link to photobucket. LOL


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Sam on March 04, 2007, 09:44:32 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "Sam"
Hey Klaas what exactly is a test moderator? Does this give you time off?


Maybe it is the mystery monkey from the lunch?


Hey you are so clever Tibro. LOL

I loved your Cape Cod picture as well.

Oh and San Jorans head is to large I think. LOL


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 04, 2007, 09:45:23 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Lunar Eclipse over Cape Cod Lighthouse

(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q263/Coonowrin/cook2_strip.jpg)


Wondering if FOM had a visual of this up there in Cape Cod???? :smt119


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 04, 2007, 09:46:17 PM
Ms. Marple:

I loved the picture too.  I meant to say something when I first came in but then I got side tracked, because of my new gig!

How do you like it?

A tip of the hat to you, my dear....

.

Tibrogagan!

What?  Pick up banana peels?  That's no fun!  I'd rather EAT bananas than to pick up the peels left behind from someone else's dinner!

Oh well, I guess I got to start at the bottom and work my way up.  You got a broom and a dust pan or do I have to use my hands?

.

San:

Thanks for the compliment, but I owe it all to Crazy Baby Borg.  She worked on it while the system was down.  Wasn't that nice of her?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2007, 09:47:01 PM
Quote from: "Sam"
Hey Klaas what exactly is a test moderator? Does this give you time off?

Before Tom upgraded, the old forum had a bug that wouldn't allow moderators.  That's why I haven't been able to have any help.  I'm set up as an Administrator.  So now, we can have moderators (volunteers needed :wink: ) that can help out!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: justinsmama on March 04, 2007, 09:47:24 PM
Tibro~ What?! Are you implying that OJ was guilty?!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: sb on March 04, 2007, 09:48:18 PM
Tried to see the eclipse last night but it was mostly an East Coast show. It took place so early in the evening that it was pretty much over before the moon rose for those west of the Mississippi. The darkest part was so early for Alabama that the moon wasn't high enough to see it well. I have seen some other ones before that were really a sight though.

Looks like we had the forum change with MINIMAL drama this time for once!

It is loading a LOT faster than before.

Hey BTW, thanks for all you Monkeys that have sent along messages to me. I really appreciate y'all more than you'll ever know. Even today, things were very rough and I am NOT looking forward to this next week at all. It's a combination of really bad, mean, tough situations that are happening right now, all intertwined with one another. I wish things would get "normal" for a while but I am afraid that's a ways off.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 04, 2007, 09:50:46 PM
Sam:

You look adorable, too!  I just love kitty cats.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 04, 2007, 09:58:01 PM
Klaas:

What does a moderator do?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Sam on March 04, 2007, 09:59:12 PM
Quote from: "Patti"
Sam:

You look adorable, too!  I just love kitty cats.


I do not know if you read my post on the front page I think it was in the forum for telling us this forum was down. Anyway I mentioned being a sweet little kitty but sometimes looks are deceiving. LOL


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 04, 2007, 10:04:20 PM
Sam:

I did see your post.  

I know kittins sometimes like to scratch and bite... but usually it's all done in play.  Actually, I've never seen a mad kitty except when this momma cat had kittens in a garage and the neighbor dog came sniffing.  

That mama cat came out of there so fast!!!  She hopped on the back of that dog and rode him as he yelped... all the way home.

It was great!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2007, 10:04:59 PM
Quote from: "Patti"
Klaas:

What does a moderator do?

 :lol:  :lol: Mostly just make sure people don't get out of hand or start cussing too much.  Break up fights, etc.  Edit posts if necessary or delete duplicate posts upon request.

Open new threads and move to new threads.  It's not bad when times are slow like right now.  Also not bad since we don't have "trolls" posting in the forum.  They (Red and Tom) may open up registration again if we can get more moderators.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 04, 2007, 10:05:07 PM
Patti it is called delegating duties  :lol:  :lol:

I look after cleaning the cage as I log in again at nights after most of  the monkeys are asleep.  So far I have tidycat doing the windows for me (you will understand when you see her avatar).
BOC blasts through occasionally and takes the rubbish with them. :wink:
We are well supplied with mops and brooms by OldFart so it is not so bad.
Lala'sMom checks up on the standard of cleaning every so often and so far we have avoided being written in her book.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 04, 2007, 10:06:02 PM
Quote from: "Patti"
Klaas:

What does a moderator do?

Not much :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: sb on March 04, 2007, 10:07:23 PM
Klaas... do moderators have to stay on the forum more or less constantly, or just come in at different times and check on things? I never have understood that.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 04, 2007, 10:07:32 PM
Quote from: "Sam"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "Sam"
Hey Klaas what exactly is a test moderator? Does this give you time off?


Maybe it is the mystery monkey from the lunch?


Hey you are so clever Tibro. LOL

I loved your Cape Cod picture as well.

Oh and San Jorans head is to large I think. LOL
 It would look better stuck on the spire atop the lighthouse  :evil:  :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Sam on March 04, 2007, 10:07:32 PM
OOps! forgot to mention Crazybabyborg gave me the original kitty also then she put the heart around it for Valentines day. Then she made me one for St. Pats but it was so busy I never changed and then she was in the accident so I did not want to bother her to see if she could make it quit blinking so much. And I do not mind if I just have the heart. LOL


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: justinsmama on March 04, 2007, 10:10:22 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Patti"
Klaas:

What does a moderator do?

 :lol:  :lol: Mostly just make sure people don't get out of hand or start cussing too much.  Break up fights, etc.  Edit posts if necessary or delete duplicate posts upon request.

Open new threads and move to new threads.  It's not bad when times are slow like right now.  Also not bad since we don't have "trolls" posting in the forum.  They (Red and Tom) may open up registration again if we can get more moderators.


In other words, klaas is da bouncer!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 04, 2007, 10:11:49 PM
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Patti"
Klaas:

What does a moderator do?

 :lol:  :lol: Mostly just make sure people don't get out of hand or start cussing too much.  Break up fights, etc.  Edit posts if necessary or delete duplicate posts upon request.

Open new threads and move to new threads.  It's not bad when times are slow like right now.  Also not bad since we don't have "trolls" posting in the forum.  They (Red and Tom) may open up registration again if we can get more moderators.


In other words, klaas is da bouncer!

Yep 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 04, 2007, 10:12:16 PM
Klaas:

You don't want trolls in the forum, do you?

I thought that you would have to post to the front page for some time, you know, prove your worth, so to speak before you could post to the forum.  :?:

Boy, if you allow a bunch of trolls in here, Tibro will have to have a full crew to keep the place clean.  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2007, 10:12:40 PM
Quote from: "sb"
Klaas... do moderators have to stay on the forum more or less constantly, or just come in at different times and check on things? I never have understood that.

If there were say 3 moderators, they can take turns.  Note, I go to the store and work, etc and often nobody is around.  You don't need to be watching at all times, especially when slow.  It's nice to have someone watching though.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on March 04, 2007, 10:13:03 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Patti"
Klaas:

What does a moderator do?

Not much :lol:  :lol:



I think SAN woudl be an awesome MOD!  Aterall she has those skeery guns   to protect everyone  :shock:

Welcome to the NEW folks.

Patti Howdy.. read you on FP.. enjoy your posts!  :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on March 04, 2007, 10:15:13 PM
Geesh.. no edietbutotn yet huh?  :wink:
Thought perhaps my new PC would come typo~free.  :roll:
(a gal can wish cant she? lol)

Have a great night all.. wore out here..My boss is  trying to kill me I think! :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on March 04, 2007, 10:15:58 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Geesh.. no edietbutotn yet huh?  :wink:
Thought perhaps my new PC would come typo~free.  :roll:
(a gal can wish cant she? lol)

Have a great night all.. wore out here..My boss is  trying to kill me I think! :evil:



 :roll:  :roll:  :roll:   EDIT BUTTON  dangit..

Night..  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 04, 2007, 10:16:04 PM
Thanks, Angie!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 04, 2007, 10:16:42 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "sb"
Klaas... do moderators have to stay on the forum more or less constantly, or just come in at different times and check on things? I never have understood that.

If there were say 3 moderators, they can take turns.  Note, I go to the store and work, etc and often nobody is around.  You don't need to be watching at all times, especially when slow.  It's nice to have someone watching though.

Klaas you are so fast when you go to the store that when you leave and come back there are only 3 post :lol:   We should call you Klaas the Flash.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Sam on March 04, 2007, 10:18:32 PM
Quote from: "Patti"
Sam:

I did see your post.  

I know kittins sometimes like to scratch and bite... but usually it's all done in play.  Actually, I've never seen a mad kitty except when this momma cat had kittens in a garage and the neighbor dog came sniffing.  

That mama cat came out of there so fast!!!  She hopped on the back of that dog and rode him as he yelped... all the way home.

It was great!!!


Oh that is so funny.

We used to have a cat that thought he protected us as well as the next door neighbor like a dog does and he would run any stray dogs off. He would really bristle at them and then chase and they always ran. Thank God they ran fast enough that he never caught one because he was a small cat.

He was an indoor outdoor cat. He always met us when we came home. Like a faithful dog. When our ex neighbor went some where he always watched for her and met her when she got home as well. Loved that cat. Had him for 17 years.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 04, 2007, 10:21:20 PM
Quote from: "Sam"
Quote from: "Patti"
Sam:

I did see your post.  

I know kittins sometimes like to scratch and bite... but usually it's all done in play.  Actually, I've never seen a mad kitty except when this momma cat had kittens in a garage and the neighbor dog came sniffing.  

That mama cat came out of there so fast!!!  She hopped on the back of that dog and rode him as he yelped... all the way home.

It was great!!!


Oh that is so funny.

We used to have a cat that thought he protected us as well as the next door neighbor like a dog does and he would run any stray dogs off. He would really bristle at them and then chase and they always ran. Thank God they ran fast enough that he never caught one because he was a small cat.

He was an indoor outdoor cat. He always met us when we came home. Like a faithful dog. When our ex neighbor went some where he always watched for her and met her when she got home as well. Loved that cat. Had him for 17 years.

When we were small we had a duck that used to run to the front yard because she knew we were coming home from school and she would be so excited to see us. :lol:   This is a true story.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 04, 2007, 10:26:12 PM
Klaas:

I know I'm the new kid on the block and all.  But I think if I had my choice, I'd rather be a moderator than to pick up banana peels.  Although I've never tried either one.  But, lately, I've been spending alot of time on the front page anyway.  I just wouldn't want anyone to know that I was a moderator.  They might think that I'm monitoring anyone that might disagree with me.  Which brings up another question... can they continue to post on the front page.  That's where I like to play.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2007, 10:28:41 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "sb"
Klaas... do moderators have to stay on the forum more or less constantly, or just come in at different times and check on things? I never have understood that.

If there were say 3 moderators, they can take turns.  Note, I go to the store and work, etc and often nobody is around.  You don't need to be watching at all times, especially when slow.  It's nice to have someone watching though.

Klaas you are so fast when you go to the store that when you leave and come back there are only 3 post :lol:   We should call you Klaas the Flash.

Well yeah, I am kindof fast, lol  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Sam on March 04, 2007, 10:32:33 PM
Quote
San ,When we were small we had a duck that used to run to the front yard because she knew we were coming home from school and she would be so excited to see us.  This is a true story.


I can believe that San. Some animals are so smart.

Ok I am calling it a night. So good night all.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 04, 2007, 10:32:49 PM
Speaking of which:

I'll be right back.  I'm gonna go and post a comment about that pot of stew.

I'll do anything you all want me to do... well almost anything.

 :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 04, 2007, 10:35:06 PM
:study:   For consulting my book
:puker:   For barfdoll days
:batman:  When I need to send the monkey signal
:smt061   When I want to show how sweet I am
 :smt078  For really bad barfdoll days.  This is my favorite!


Oh goody smileys here and smileys there...this is a nice improvement.  I made it through the weekend.  

Hi monkeys.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 04, 2007, 10:39:39 PM
I guess I ran everyone off... :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2007, 10:40:26 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
I guess I ran everyone off... :cry:

Nope, I'm here..just busy uploading a daily commentary video to YouTube


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Sleuth on March 04, 2007, 10:44:05 PM
Tom - thanks for all of your work in bringing the new forum to us!

Glad to see the Atlanta Lunch Bunch had a great time.

SB - hugs to you, and hopes that everything smooths out.

Hugs to our monkeys ungoing chemo and/or radiation.

Another fatal accident in Aruba this morning.  I expect it will be in tomorrow's papers....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 04, 2007, 10:44:07 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
I guess I ran everyone off... :cry:

Goodnight Everyone Lala's ran me off :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2007, 10:44:39 PM
Quote from: "Sleuth"
Tom - thanks for all of your work in bringing the new forum to us!

Glad to see the Atlanta Lunch Bunch had a great time.

SB - hugs to you, and hopes that everything smooths out.

Hugs to our monkeys ungoing chemo and/or radiation.

Another fatal accident in Aruba this morning.  I expect it will be in tomorrow's papers....

Geeze - another fatal accident?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Sleuth on March 04, 2007, 10:45:11 PM
Quote from: "Sleuth"
Tom - thanks for all of your work in bringing the new forum to us!

Glad to see the Atlanta Lunch Bunch had a great time.

SB - hugs to you, and hopes that everything smooths out.

Hugs to our monkeys undergoing chemo and/or radiation.

Another fatal accident in Aruba this morning.  I expect it will be in tomorrow's papers....


self-edit.

BTW, Hello monkeys...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2007, 10:45:13 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
I guess I ran everyone off... :cry:

Goodnight Everyone Lala's ran me off :lol:

Nite San


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 04, 2007, 10:46:04 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
I guess I ran everyone off... :cry:

Goodnight Everyone Lala's ran me off :lol:

 :wink:  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Sleuth on March 04, 2007, 10:47:57 PM
Yep, Klaas.    I think there were a total of something like 14 in 2005 and about the same in 2006.  None in January or February but now it is either 3 or 4 already in March.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Sleuth on March 04, 2007, 10:50:13 PM
Quote from: "Sleuth"
Yep, Klaas.    I think there were a total of something like 14 in 2005 and about the same in 2006.  None in January or February but now it is either 3 or 4 already in March.


My mistake - the accident by the drive-in area was February.  Where the mustang ran under the bus.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2007, 10:52:10 PM
Quote from: "Sleuth"
Quote from: "Sleuth"
Yep, Klaas.    I think there were a total of something like 14 in 2005 and about the same in 2006.  None in January or February but now it is either 3 or 4 already in March.


My mistake - the accident by the drive-in area was February.  Where the mustang ran under the bus.

Odd because you would think there might be more in January with Carnival and all.  Didn't Carnival last from January - February 22nd or something like that?  The fatal accidents all came after Carnival were over.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: msmarple on March 04, 2007, 10:53:39 PM
sleuth - Do you know anything recent about an 11-yr-old girl who is missing (possibly parental abduction), or a 17-yr-old boy who is missing - both of these on Aruba?

Diario articles about both are on the last page of the M&C thread.

Thanks.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 04, 2007, 10:55:34 PM
I know this is a dumb question...being all this time has passed...but, does Aruba have anything that is similar to seasons?  Is it always the same climate there?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2007, 11:02:26 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
I know this is a dumb question...being all this time has passed...but, does Aruba have anything that is similar to seasons?  Is it always the same climate there?


http://aruba.caribbeanway.com/weather.asp

weather varies significantly from its Caribbean counterparts due to its southwestern location. Though tropical, meaning that temperature varies little here between seasons, Aruba weather is also very dry. Its 'rainy' season consists of brief shower bursts that rarely last long or appear for several days in a row. Aruba weather doesn't include the humidity that other islands do either, making it one of the driest locales in the region. This also spares it from the hurricane paths which sometimes swath across the Leeward chain. As a result, Aruba weather is beautiful, though unchanging, throughout the year - an average of 82 degrees prevails almost twelve months of the year. Nighttime Aruba weather is seldom more than 3-5 degrees from that of the day. Aruba weather is so constant, in fact, that local newspapers public weather reports only occasionally, on the odd day when Aruba weather isn't sunny and warm.

Trade winds blow nearly constantly in Aruba, tempering the scorching effect of the hot tropical sun and making Aruba weather (especially at the beach!) very easy to handle. Sunscreen should be worn at all times, however, as Aruba weather can be almost deceivingly pleasant at times - rays are strongest during the late morning and early afternoon.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Sleuth on March 04, 2007, 11:05:31 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
sleuth - Do you know anything recent about an 11-yr-old girl who is missing (possibly parental abduction), or a 17-yr-old boy who is missing - both of these on Aruba?

Diario articles about both are on the last page of the M&C thread.

Thanks.


msmarple - Sorry, I haven't heard anything more about either of these  ....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 04, 2007, 11:15:34 PM
Hi  Lala's Mom:

I ran off but only momentarily.

I read through the Shango posts... actually a few times.  At first, I thought it was a who dunnit post.  But, now, I think that it may be a diary of the things that have already come to pass and the things to come.

I am hoping that if I have the time, I can copy it to a notebook on my computer, with his posts on one side and an explanation of what I think that he is saying on the other.

He was a beautiful writer, most definately, in touch with the outer realm of our existance.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: dkpen on March 04, 2007, 11:16:59 PM
Hi everyone!

Got home from Atlanta, Ga a few hours ago. Unpacked, relaxed and ready for bed.  Was a really nice lunchin' and truly enjoyed meeting everyone. I can't wait for the next lunchin'.
 :thumleft:


Thought I'd post this. From Amigo....
Seems 3 chollars may have died or found dead in the area of this picture?

ORANJESTAD — “Twee chollers kregen ruzie met elkaar en toen stichtte een van hen brand.” Die conclusie trokken twee politieagenten die gisteren rond twaalf uur poolshoogte kwamen nemen bij een leegstaand pand aan de Avenido Milo Croes, waaruit een dikke zwarte rookpluim kwam. In het bewuste pand zat ooit Drive Motors. Op de foto is te zien hoe een brandweerman helemaal achterin het vervallen pand bezig is om de brand te blussen. Op de voorgrond legt zijn collega de brandweerslang goed, zodat het water er gemakkelijk doorkan.


3 Maart, 2007, 17:55 (GMT -04:00)

http://www.amigoe.com/


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: dkpen on March 04, 2007, 11:18:31 PM
Night all...talk with you tomorrow.

God bless~


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2007, 11:18:53 PM
Quote from: "dkpen"
Hi everyone!

Got home from Atlanta, Ga a few hours ago. Unpacked, relaxed and ready for bed.  Was a really nice lunchin' and truly enjoyed meeting everyone. I can't wait for the next lunchin'.
 :thumleft:


Thought I'd post this. From Amigo....
Seems 3 chollars may have died or found dead in the area of this picture?

ORANJESTAD — “Twee chollers kregen ruzie met elkaar en toen stichtte een van hen brand.” Die conclusie trokken twee politieagenten die gisteren rond twaalf uur poolshoogte kwamen nemen bij een leegstaand pand aan de Avenido Milo Croes, waaruit een dikke zwarte rookpluim kwam. In het bewuste pand zat ooit Drive Motors. Op de foto is te zien hoe een brandweerman helemaal achterin het vervallen pand bezig is om de brand te blussen. Op de voorgrond legt zijn collega de brandweerslang goed, zodat het water er gemakkelijk doorkan.


3 Maart, 2007, 17:55 (GMT -04:00)

http://www.amigoe.com/

Yeah, looks like there was a fire:

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/03-03-brand-oude-garage.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Sleuth on March 04, 2007, 11:22:14 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"

Odd because you would think there might be more in January with Carnival and all.  Didn't Carnival last from January - February 22nd or something like that?  The fatal accidents all came after Carnival were over.


Sorry for the delay in responding...new browser, less troublesome for the moment....

Carnival officially starts in January but not much happens until all the February parades, jump-ups, etc.   I think it ended around Feb 20 (just like Fat Tuesday/Mardi Gras in the states is the finale).  

I'm not aware of any statistics regarding fatal accidents in relation to Carnival.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2007, 11:23:46 PM
Quote from: "Sleuth"
Quote from: "klaasend"

Odd because you would think there might be more in January with Carnival and all.  Didn't Carnival last from January - February 22nd or something like that?  The fatal accidents all came after Carnival were over.


Sorry for the delay in responding...new browser, less troublesome for the moment....

Carnival officially starts in January but not much happens until all the February parades, jump-ups, etc.   I think it ended around Feb 20 (just like Fat Tuesday/Mardi Gras in the states is the finale).  

I'm not aware of any statistics regarding fatal accidents in relation to Carnival.

I was just thinking there might be more partying than usual durring Carnival times, leading to accidents due to drunk drivers.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 04, 2007, 11:24:10 PM
I wonder if their hot water heater exploded?

Looks like an explosion, too.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2007, 11:26:07 PM
Quote from: "Patti"
I wonder if their hot water heater exploded?

Looks like an explosion, too.


Rough translation of article from Babel Fish:

ORANJESTAD - "two chollers got brawl with each other and then committed arson of them." That conclusion drew two police constables who yesterday came take poolshoogte around twelve hours at a being empty pand to the Avenido Milo Croes, from which a dikke black rookpluim came. In the aware pand zat ever drive engines. On the photograph is see how a fireman is entirely in the back of the expired pand extinguish the fire. On the forefront its colleague lays the fire snake good, so that water there easy doorkan.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: sb on March 04, 2007, 11:28:42 PM
I doubt if you'll hear much about "accidents" during Mardi Gras down there. Bad press.

I lived in New Orleans for a couple of years and saw some of the Mardi Gras parades. Some "un-pretty" things happen there (and I wasn't even downtown)- worst I saw was when a drunk woman tried to snatch another girl's baby from out of her arms and run off. The police caught the woman and they were pinning her down to the ground and smashing her face into the pavement with her screaming and struggling. Worst police apprehension I have ever seen.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Anna on March 04, 2007, 11:29:47 PM
Quote from: "dkpen"
Hi everyone!

Got home from Atlanta, Ga a few hours ago. Unpacked, relaxed and ready for bed.  Was a really nice lunchin' and truly enjoyed meeting everyone. I can't wait for the next lunchin'.
 :thumleft:


Thought I'd post this. From Amigo....
Seems 3 chollars may have died or found dead in the area of this picture?

ORANJESTAD — “Twee chollers kregen ruzie met elkaar en toen stichtte een van hen brand.” Die conclusie trokken twee politieagenten die gisteren rond twaalf uur poolshoogte kwamen nemen bij een leegstaand pand aan de Avenido Milo Croes, waaruit een dikke zwarte rookpluim kwam. In het bewuste pand zat ooit Drive Motors. Op de foto is te zien hoe een brandweerman helemaal achterin het vervallen pand bezig is om de brand te blussen. Op de voorgrond legt zijn collega de brandweerslang goed, zodat het water er gemakkelijk doorkan.


3 Maart, 2007, 17:55 (GMT -04:00)

http://www.amigoe.com/


Sort of a translation.  Die = that in Dutch.


"two chollers got into a brawl with each other and then committed arson." That conclusion drew two police constables who yesterday came take poolshoogte around twelve hours at a being empty pand to the Avenido Milo Croes, from which a dikke black plume of smoke came. In the aware pand zat ever drive engines. On the photograph is see how a fireman is entirely in the back of the expired pand extinguish the fire. On the forefront its colleague lays the fire hose good, so that water there easy doorkan.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: msmarple on March 04, 2007, 11:31:18 PM
Quote from: "dkpen"

Thought I'd post this. From Amigo....
Seems 3 chollars may have died or found dead in the area of this picture?

ORANJESTAD — “Twee chollers kregen ruzie met elkaar en toen stichtte een van hen brand.” Die conclusie trokken twee politieagenten die gisteren rond twaalf uur poolshoogte kwamen nemen bij een leegstaand pand aan de Avenido Milo Croes, waaruit een dikke zwarte rookpluim kwam. In het bewuste pand zat ooit Drive Motors. Op de foto is te zien hoe een brandweerman helemaal achterin het vervallen pand bezig is om de brand te blussen. Op de voorgrond legt zijn collega de brandweerslang goed, zodat het water er gemakkelijk doorkan.


3 Maart, 2007, 17:55 (GMT -04:00)

http://www.amigoe.com/


From Babel Fish:

Two chollers got brawl with each other and then committed arson of them. That conclusion drew two police constables who yesterday came take poolshoogte around twelve hours at a being empty pand to the Avenido Milo Croes, from which a dikke black rookpluim came. In the aware pand zat ever drive engines. On the photograph is see how a fireman is entirely in the back of the expired pand extinguish the fire. On the forefront its colleague lays the fire snake good, so that water there easy doorkan.

<end?

"... arson of them." ??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 04, 2007, 11:31:28 PM
Patti
If you are really interested in the Shango/Simian stuff I have a lot of different translations and theories you might like to see.  You can email me at cindoal@yahoo.com if you want.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Anna on March 04, 2007, 11:32:18 PM
Great minds thinking alike, Klaas?  Dictionary.com has a Dutch translation dictionary.  Seems about like Bablefish, however.

 :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Anna on March 04, 2007, 11:34:29 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
[<end?

"... arson of them." ??


Prolly not or they would have the charred remains on display for the whole world to gawk at.   :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: dkpen on March 04, 2007, 11:34:55 PM
Oops..one more post before I am gone. lol

Klaas...I have to log back in every time I want to post. Odd. It auto logs me out. Will check my profile settings tomorrow. To tired to bother with it tonight.

Thought I'd bring this article over here. Visit the link to the article. It has a nice short video on the warnings also. I don't know how to post something like that here so maybe Klaas can do it. Or just go visit the site with the article and look on the right of it.

Night all you super monkeys.

God bless~



Spring Break Warning: Take Extra Care In Caribbean
Government Warns Students About Vacation Danger Zones
Karen Welles, Target 11 Investigator

POSTED: 4:41 pm EST February 28, 2007
UPDATED: 6:39 pm EST February 28, 2007

PITTSBURGH -- Partying in paradise could quickly turn to problems much more serious than hangovers and sun burns.

Terrorism and crime are two major concerns for anyone traveling the next couple of months.

It's that time of year when college kids and adults head south for fun in the sun.

But this year, the state department is warning vacationers to be extra careful in the Caribbean.

The Cricket World Cup is being held in the Caribbean from March through April and the U.S. government is warning about a heightened threat of terrorist attacks.

"As security increases around event venues, terrorists may shift their focus to open public spaces, hotels, buses, churches and restaurants,"said State Department officials.

Pitt soccer players Carli Brill and Courtney Wrightson and their friends went to Key West, Fla., last year for spring break.

This year the pair wants to leave the country and is booked for Nassau in the Bahamas.

According to the state department, "Crime and violence have increasingly moved into tourist and residential areas there".

Brill said," I think we'll be fine. We'll just stick together."

Joann Cosentino, a travel agent at University Travel, said, "I always try to tell them, you know just play it smart. Don't wander off."

The U.S. government has warned "gang violence and shootings occur regularly in certain areas of Kingston and Montego bay."

Tourists are also targets of thieves and robbers. And the government warned, "The use of date-rape drugs has become more common at clubs and private parties."

Wrightson said, "My dad always tells me never leave your drink. If you leave it and go to the bathroom, don't drink it when you get back."

In Cancun, the U.S. government warned of "increased reports of crime, especially rape involving alcohol and the nightclub environment."

In Acapulco, "Drug-related violence has been increasing," according to U.S. officials.

With the disappearance of Natalie Holloway in Aruba, risk consultant Kevin Wilkes said spring break safety should be a real concern.

"She lowered her awareness level she lowered her inhibition," Wilkes said. "There was drinking involved she accepted a ride from stranger's people who she had just met and now unfortunately she's still missing."

For more information about crime in other countries and tips on how to protect yourself when you travel go U.S. State Department
Copyright 2007 by Wpxi.com. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

http://www.wpxi.com/target11/11137576/detail.html


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2007, 11:36:43 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Great minds thinking alike, Klaas?  Dictionary.com has a Dutch translation dictionary.  Seems about like Bablefish, however.

 :D

Yes, most of them do.  What I've found works the best with the Dutch is running through any of the translators then looking up word by word.  Just don't want to take the time on these little articles.  That is what I did with the statements though.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2007, 11:38:00 PM
Dkpen - make sure you check that box when you log in to stay logged in.  Also, if you are signing on through AOL there may still be some problems.  Good idea to clear all your cookies before logging back in tomorrow.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 04, 2007, 11:39:29 PM
Lala's Mom:

Okay.  I'll e-mail you.

I'm wiped out!  I've been fighting a cold or flu all week-end.  I'll e-mail you tonight so you have my address.  Feel free to write to me anytime.  I am interested in his writings...

Good Night, all...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2007, 11:39:51 PM
Quote from: "Patti"
Lala's Mom:

Okay.  I'll e-mail you.

I'm wiped out!  I've been fighting a cold or flu all week-end.  I'll e-mail you tonight so you have my address.  Feel free to write to me anytime.  I am interested in his writings...

Good Night, all...

Nite Patti


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: msmarple on March 04, 2007, 11:40:44 PM
Anna, klaas - Yes, we were all on that like white on rice!

Must not have been any deaths - no corpse picture. (My bad.) But that is an odd phrase.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 04, 2007, 11:44:34 PM
Time for me to hug Nemo too.  Think I need to get more sleep.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Anna on March 04, 2007, 11:45:06 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Greetings/Morning%20Aft%20Evening/th9a47aee5-2.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2007, 11:45:24 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Time for me to hug Nemo too.  Think I need to get more sleep.

Nite Lala's


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 04, 2007, 11:57:16 PM
That would be right - by the time I get back in the cage everyone has left.
Went to refresh a page and got the flick.... revolving door is still spinning  :lol:  :lol:
Looks like Patti is not into cleaning up banana peels - think I would rather do that than moderate here some days, especially if it includes the Political Forum  :wink:

My guess for the mystery monkey is the baby panda  :lol:  :lol:
BBL if I can get in the door.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 04, 2007, 11:58:37 PM
Oh, yeah, I almost forgot...

Did Tibro want me to help her with picking up banana's?...
... or was she just kidding?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 05, 2007, 12:06:04 AM
Quote from: "Patti"
Oh, yeah, I almost forgot...

Did Tibro want me to help her with picking up banana's?...
... or was she just kidding?


It is called pulling your leg, Patti  :lol:  :lol:

Must get that Aussie slang dictionary posted - ran out of room on Word where I had stored some articles when I was bored yesterday   :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 05, 2007, 12:07:17 AM
Tibro ~ Toooo funny!

Just as you were coming, I was leaving.  Just as you were getting ready to ask about me... there I was.  I think I was posting my post at the same time as you....

Anyway, if you need help.  Leave a note on what time you want me to meet you.  

You know I'm gonna be nice... plus, I'll help you in any way I can.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 05, 2007, 12:12:27 AM
Tibro:

I think we got the E.S.P. goin...  Everytime I go to post something for you, I come back and you've posted something for me.

Are you sure you don't want me to help with something?  

I had a feeling that you were kidding, but if there's anything you want me to do, I'll try.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 05, 2007, 12:13:12 AM
No worries, Patti.
It does not take very long unless we have a really torrid day and the monkeys throw their banana peels at each other.  They have been very well behaved lately.  Thanks for the offer - we could work well together.
Have a good evening.  I am off to do the ironing and cook dinner.
BBL


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 05, 2007, 12:14:56 AM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
No worries, Patti.
It does not take very long unless we have a really torrid day and the monkeys throw their banana peels at each other.  They have been very well behaved lately.  Thanks for the offer - we could work well together.
Have a good evening.  I am off to do the ironing and cook dinner.
BBL

See you tomorrow Tibro!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 05, 2007, 12:15:43 AM
Okay

Good Night to my favorite Aussie  monkey!

See ya tomorrow...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 05, 2007, 12:15:48 AM
Just in case you think I am not with it  - it is nearly 4.30 pm Monday here  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 05, 2007, 12:18:33 AM
Tibro~~~~~

Do you realize what that means?!?!?!??!?!

As long as you're here, we are assured that there is a tomorrow,
because you're already there!!!!!

That is like, SOOOO COOL !!!!!!

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 05, 2007, 12:21:21 AM
Patti - you are on my wavelength  :lol:  :lol:
This time I am really going
Nite Klaas
Nite Patti


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: sb on March 05, 2007, 12:22:25 AM
Tibro, that's something we don't think about much when talking in here. Seems like you are next door, when you're actually on the opposite side of the world. And you are "in" tomorrow, too!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: sb on March 05, 2007, 12:39:49 AM
A board like this can really skew one's thinking about time and distance.

Hope everyone else is OK tonight... I am dropping fast so I will bid everyone a good night!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 05, 2007, 12:44:13 AM
Quote from: "sb"
A board like this can really skew one's thinking about time and distance.

Hope everyone else is OK tonight... I am dropping fast so I will bid everyone a good night!

Nite SB - I think I'm going to go play a couple games.  See you tomorrow.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: LilPuma on March 05, 2007, 12:54:56 AM
I see the monkeys are sleeping or out monkeying around.  Hellooooo!  All I hear is an echo.   :?  

I'll just leave a question for you guys.  The FP article on Dompig has a post (#19) by Jerry a/k/a Waterboy that says something like Shango = Robert Benson.  The vampires got to him too.   :shock: What does this mean?  Is Shango the container guy?  

Hi Patti!  
Happy Labour Day, Tibro.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 05, 2007, 01:06:40 AM
Quote from: "LilPuma"
I see the monkeys are sleeping or out monkeying around.  Hellooooo!  All I hear is an echo.   :?  

I'll just leave a question for you guys.  The FP article on Dompig has a post (#19) by Jerry a/k/a Waterboy that says something like Shango = Robert Benson.  The vampires got to him too.   :shock: What does this mean?  Is Shango the container guy?  

Hi Patti!  
Happy Labour Day, Tibro.

I don't believe for one minute that Robert Benson was Shango.  That appears to be "Waterboy's" opinion only.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: LilPuma on March 05, 2007, 01:41:29 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "LilPuma"
I see the monkeys are sleeping or out monkeying around.  Hellooooo!  All I hear is an echo.   :?  

I'll just leave a question for you guys.  The FP article on Dompig has a post (#19) by Jerry a/k/a Waterboy that says something like Shango = Robert Benson.  The vampires got to him too.   :shock: What does this mean?  Is Shango the container guy?  

Hi Patti!  
Happy Labour Day, Tibro.

I don't believe for one minute that Robert Benson was Shango.  That appears to be "Waterboy's" opinion only.


I even thought there might be another Robert Benson.  I googled the name and got a writer and a photographer as well as the man found in a container.   Thanks, Klaas.  

Oh, will you get to take vacations now?   :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 05, 2007, 01:54:35 AM
Quote from: "Sam"
OOps! forgot to mention Crazybabyborg gave me the original kitty also then she put the heart around it for Valentines day. Then she made me one for St. Pats but it was so busy I never changed and then she was in the accident so I did not want to bother her to see if she could make it quit blinking so much. And I do not mind if I just have the heart. LOL


Sam! Don't be silly! I don't mind at all trying to calm you down!  :wink:

Is this better?

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/StPatSam-1.gif)

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/StPatSam-1.gif


Title: Morning
Post by: Leslie on March 05, 2007, 06:58:32 AM
Diario
http://www.diarioaruba.com/
Amigoe
http://www.amigoe.com/english/
BonDia
http://www.cspnv.com/
Solo di Pueblo
http://www.solodipueblo.com/
Aruba Today
http://www.arubatoday.com/
Translator:
http://papiamentu.donamaro.nl


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Leslie on March 05, 2007, 07:33:12 AM
Solo di Pueblo -  March 3, 2007 - Page 21
http://www.solodipueblo.com/

Mr. Bryan ta bishita Aruba masha hopi mes y conoce Aruba bon! E tin un hopi bon impresión di Aruba y p’e no Jossy por cambia e imagen ey!

Where does Jossy Mansur get off calling anybody “colored” in this day and age. Mansur just can’t open his trap without letting everyone know what a sanctimonious stoneaged brut he actually is.
his must be Mansur’s new play in supporting the boycott against Aruba. The one he and his fellow bigot Beth Twitty organized. The one that failed due to the ATA’s efforts despite Mansur and the other Twits. If this old fool ever came to Alabama and had the gall to call anybody colored he would limp back home if he was lucky. New York just made using the N word a crime Jossy. Maybe Aruba can make using the Jossy paper a crime too except if you keep Diario in the toilet where it belongs. Jossy, Time for your kind to rot and die and get out of real people’s way, you old fool.

Bryan Hamacker
Birmingham Alabaam


For di nos ‘lector’Americano nos ta publica su siguiente remitido. Mr. Bryan Hamacker ta un persona cu a sigui e desaroyo di Natalee Holloway for di comienzo te cu awe. Mr. Bryan a hopi disgusta cu un persona Arubano a pinta Aruba malo asina den exterior!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: robots on March 05, 2007, 07:49:56 AM
:smt032

 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: justinsmama on March 05, 2007, 07:50:14 AM
I had noted the use of the word "color", though took no offense to it. As I am not Aruban, nor speak Pap, I have no idea how one's skin is appropriately addressed there. Nadira referred to her sons as black. In the US that is a misnomer. Also, in the US, I've heard many elderly folks refer to black people as "colored". And have done so with my biracial child standing next to me. They mean no offense by it. They are simply speaking from their generation. "Bryan Hamacker [of] Birmingham Alabaam" (who cannot spell the state from which he claims to hail), can blow it out of his nose and eat a bug.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: robots on March 05, 2007, 07:50:55 AM
:pig:

is this GLENDA ??? :smt033


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: justinsmama on March 05, 2007, 07:51:35 AM
Have A Great Day Everyone! I'm actually going to work without feeling like crap! Whoohoo!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: justinsmama on March 05, 2007, 07:52:33 AM
Quote from: "robots"
:pig:

is this GLENDA ??? :smt033


Robots, That's an insult to pigs.

I thought that thingy was a thermometer? Or is it a cig?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Jacqueline on March 05, 2007, 08:04:59 AM
Good morning Monkeys...

Bit of news about Joe M.
http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/news/local/16816419.htm


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 05, 2007, 08:09:37 AM
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
Good morning Monkeys...

Bit of news about Joe M.
http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/news/local/16816419.htm


Hi Jacquie............

Hope All Is Well With You.........

Pura Vida

 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Frijole on March 05, 2007, 08:25:07 AM
Morning Monks.... another week... make it a great one.  Aruba, do the right thing.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 05, 2007, 08:48:09 AM
Quote from: "Frijole"
Morning Monks.... another week... make it a great one.  Aruba, do the right thing.


Hey Bean

Have A Great Day.............

 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Jacqueline on March 05, 2007, 08:59:57 AM
Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
Good morning Monkeys...

Bit of news about Joe M.
http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/news/local/16816419.htm


Hi Jacquie............

Hope All Is Well With You.........

Pura Vida

 8)


Widgey!!!!!!!!!

Ready for BASEBALL????


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: sb on March 05, 2007, 09:30:31 AM
There are 2 or 3 people of Bryan Hammacher's ilk who regularly post on the op-ed page of the Birmingham News. Tylergal had a run-in with a guy one time whose name I remembered as one of the Southside stalwarts who regularly post hate-filled ultra-leftist trash.

Southside is a section of Bham (actually just on the other side of the mountain from Mountain Brook) where the 60's never left. A Che Guevara poster would be better appreciated there than a Hope For Natalee bracelet.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: LilPuma on March 05, 2007, 10:59:37 AM
Quote from: "robots"
:smt032

 8)


I LOVE it!  Cooler than cool.  Coolest.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: msmarple on March 05, 2007, 11:08:33 AM
I just posted this on the M&C thread. If anyone has time to look at Diario today, I would appreciate ... there are several possible other stories of interest.

Quote
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/3/5/

Several articles today (and there are possibly others; I don't have much time today).

Alvaro D. Upegui Tabares naci na Colombia di 45 aña – a bartender; killed in a traffic accident. I can’t tell whether there is a criminal aspect.

H.T. and C.L.C. – apparently both landed in the hospital after an altercation. C.L.C. in more serious condition. I *think* H.T. used to live at C.L.C.’s home.

Below is the Papiamentu translation of an article. I don't know whether this is a case we already have or not. (The ages of the child(ren?) do not match (10? 11? yrs old. We already have the 10-yr-old; this says an 11-yr-old; born in 1994. The math is not working for me.) This seems to be saying that the accused requires some medical/Rx that is not available or possible at KIA (the jail).

CASO DI SEX CU MUCHA DI 10 AÑA, POSPONI
diabierna at corte have to did take lugar the caso in cual rosendo henriquez owing to wordo acusa of owing to as relacion sexual cu one child muher of 10 year.

the caso sinembargo owing to come fast pro form. henriquez owing to wordo acusa of owing to as relacion sexual y comete actonan inmoral cu the child, for of 2004 till cu 2006.

the child self owing to nace at 1994. huez owing to pospone the caso, because the self was huez comisario for her acusado y for ley the do not permiti of is huez also.

advocate bryson representando the acusado, owing to ask huez if his cliente can wordo let in freedom pendiente the caso, debi at the achievement cu the is abide of curazon y cu in kia the do not achieve the tratamento necesario.

the acusado self owing to tell huez cu the have to drink one pildora all day for his condicion, but they're clip this in 4 piece y dune all day one piece.

fiscal not was of acuerdo for lage bay, but past owing to tell cu the is bay investiga con is stop cu the cuido medico for cu the acusado.

huez owing to ask the hour ey for fiscal lage know self hour con the situation is. according huez, if have indicacion cu the do not achieve the trato necesario, the will can take the decision for lage in freedom, pendiente the caso. the caso self owing to wordo posponi till cu day 23 of march.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: msmarple on March 05, 2007, 11:45:50 AM
Quote from: "msmarple"
I just posted this on the S&M thread. If anyone has time to look at Diario today, I would appreciate ... there are several possible other stories of interest.


YIKES! HELP! KLAAS! Please edit above - should be "M&C thread" ...

Sheesh. I'll never live this one down.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 05, 2007, 11:46:48 AM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Quote from: "msmarple"
I just posted this on the S&M thread. If anyone has time to look at Diario today, I would appreciate ... there are several possible other stories of interest.


YIKES! HELP! KLAAS! Please edit above - should be "M&C thread" ...

Sheesh. I'll never live this one down.  :lol:

 :lol:  :lol:

Edited to add:  Now the question is.....do I delete the comments referring to the S&M thread or leave them for laughs  :wink:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: BTgirl on March 05, 2007, 11:57:57 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "msmarple"
Quote from: "msmarple"
I just posted this on the S&M thread. If anyone has time to look at Diario today, I would appreciate ... there are several possible other stories of interest.


YIKES! HELP! KLAAS! Please edit above - should be "M&C thread" ...

Sheesh. I'll never live this one down.  :lol:

 :lol:  :lol:

Edited to add:  Now the question is.....do I delete the comments referring to the S&M thread or leave them for laughs  :wink:  :lol:  :lol:


I definitely vote to leave them for laughs!  :smt043


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: robots on March 05, 2007, 11:59:50 AM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "msmarple"
Quote from: "msmarple"
I just posted this on the S&M thread. If anyone has time to look at Diario today, I would appreciate ... there are several possible other stories of interest.


YIKES! HELP! KLAAS! Please edit above - should be "M&C thread" ...

Sheesh. I'll never live this one down.  :lol:

 :lol:  :lol:

Edited to add:  Now the question is.....do I delete the comments referring to the S&M thread or leave them for laughs  :wink:  :lol:  :lol:


I definitely vote to leave them for laughs!  :smt043



me too  :twisted:

klass Rocks  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 05, 2007, 12:00:41 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "msmarple"
Quote from: "msmarple"
I just posted this on the S&M thread. If anyone has time to look at Diario today, I would appreciate ... there are several possible other stories of interest.


YIKES! HELP! KLAAS! Please edit above - should be "M&C thread" ...

Sheesh. I'll never live this one down.  :lol:

 :lol:  :lol:

Edited to add:  Now the question is.....do I delete the comments referring to the S&M thread or leave them for laughs  :wink:  :lol:  :lol:


 :lol:  :lol: Now, I'm wondering what msmarple decorated the lunch table with in Atlanta... :P


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Peaches on March 05, 2007, 12:05:36 PM
We will never tell how Ms. Marple's decorated the table.

We will only say it was ...........colorful.

Maybe even adventurous and playful.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 05, 2007, 12:07:00 PM
Quote from: "Peaches"
We will never tell how Ms. Marple's decorated the table.

We will only say it was ...........colorful.

Maybe even adventurous and playful.


 :lol:  :lol:  :smt038


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: BTgirl on March 05, 2007, 12:17:15 PM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Quote from: "Peaches"
We will never tell how Ms. Marple's decorated the table.

We will only say it was ...........colorful.

Maybe even adventurous and playful.


 :lol:  :lol:  :smt038


But I will confess that it included the most important item of all - chocky!! (http://bestsmileys.com/hyper/6.gif)(http://bestsmileys.com/hyper/6.gif)(http://bestsmileys.com/hyper/6.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Cat on March 05, 2007, 12:20:25 PM
No Micey.i am so so hungry.CAT and I am back


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: msmarple on March 05, 2007, 12:21:38 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "msmarple"
Quote from: "msmarple"
I just posted this on the S&M thread. If anyone has time to look at Diario today, I would appreciate ... there are several possible other stories of interest.


YIKES! HELP! KLAAS! Please edit above - should be "M&C thread" ...

Sheesh. I'll never live this one down.  :lol:

 :lol:  :lol:

Edited to add:  Now the question is.....do I delete the comments referring to the S&M thread or leave them for laughs  :wink:  :lol:  :lol:


Since we're such easily amused monkeys, what the heck!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Cat on March 05, 2007, 12:21:48 PM
i did not know we had a S&M thread,how or about it,or whatever.CAT


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 05, 2007, 12:22:59 PM
Quote from: "Cat"
No Micey.i am so so hungry.CAT and I am back

Glad you made it back!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: msmarple on March 05, 2007, 12:24:45 PM
Quote from: "Cat"
i did not know we had a S&M thread,how or about it,or whatever.CAT


Actually - when you think about it - the M&C thread IS sort of S&Mish.

Cat - I made a funny boo boo; called the M&C thread the S&M thread. And now I'm wondering if I've done that before  :shock:  .


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 05, 2007, 12:32:00 PM
Sorry to barge in here monkeys but I have an urgent prayer request.  My neighbor, which is really more like family than neighbors, daughter is very sick in Children's Hospital in Birmingham.  The little girl's name is Ella Grace and she is 5 years old. Her left lung is collapsed and fluid is building up on her right lung. Diagnosis is Pneumonia.  Went to doctor on Thursday and they sent her home without any blood work or xrays.  Parents are frantic. Please say a few prayers for this little girl for me.  I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 05, 2007, 12:36:19 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Sorry to barge in here monkeys but I have an urgent prayer request.  My neighbor, which is really more like family than neighbors, daughter is very sick in Children's Hospital in Birmingham.  The little girl's name is Ella Grace and she is 5 years old. Her left lung is collapsed and fluid is building up on her right lung. Diagnosis is Pneumonia.  Went to doctor on Thursday and they sent her home without any blood work or xrays.  Parents are frantic. Please say a few prayers for this little girl for me.  I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks.

I'll pray for this child.  They don't hospitalize children like they used to.  When my son was 2 1/2 he had pneumonia but they hospitalized him immediately.  He was home in 3 days and all better.  This child should have been put in the hospital on Thursday.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: msmarple on March 05, 2007, 12:46:53 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Sorry to barge in here monkeys but I have an urgent prayer request.  My neighbor, which is really more like family than neighbors, daughter is very sick in Children's Hospital in Birmingham.  The little girl's name is Ella Grace and she is 5 years old. Her left lung is collapsed and fluid is building up on her right lung. Diagnosis is Pneumonia.  Went to doctor on Thursday and they sent her home without any blood work or xrays.  Parents are frantic. Please say a few prayers for this little girl for me.  I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks.


Lalas - Will you post this in the prayer thread? I don't make much noise about it, but I do read that thread every day, and proceed accordingly ...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Cat on March 05, 2007, 01:01:13 PM
i have uttered a prayer.LALA's I know childrens a little to well,and i hope the child gets better.   I went to S%M,it is strange,very strange and Scary,something S.King would write about.Thank you for your help.CAT


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 05, 2007, 01:02:14 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Sorry to barge in here monkeys but I have an urgent prayer request.  My neighbor, which is really more like family than neighbors, daughter is very sick in Children's Hospital in Birmingham.  The little girl's name is Ella Grace and she is 5 years old. Her left lung is collapsed and fluid is building up on her right lung. Diagnosis is Pneumonia.  Went to doctor on Thursday and they sent her home without any blood work or xrays.  Parents are frantic. Please say a few prayers for this little girl for me.  I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks.

I'll pray for this child.  They don't hospitalize children like they used to.  When my son was 2 1/2 he had pneumonia but they hospitalized him immediately.  He was home in 3 days and all better.  This child should have been put in the hospital on Thursday.


I, too, have been praying for Ella since reading the post.  Pediatrician when my older son was 2 suspected pnewmonia and ordered an x-ray immediately (he'd already been dx'd with an upper respiratory infection but his breathing worried us, so we brought him back).  It was found that it was starting in one lung, lower lobe.  Different meds were started right away and hospitalization was not needed.  In any case, it's a shame more had not been done for her on Thursday, as stated.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on March 05, 2007, 01:03:50 PM
Prayers for little Ella Grace.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 05, 2007, 01:05:05 PM
pneumonia....typo....oy :oops:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: tcumom on March 05, 2007, 01:14:01 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "msmarple"
Quote from: "msmarple"
I just posted this on the S&M thread. If anyone has time to look at Diario today, I would appreciate ... there are several possible other stories of interest.


YIKES! HELP! KLAAS! Please edit above - should be "M&C thread" ...

Sheesh. I'll never live this one down.  :lol:

 :lol:  :lol:

Edited to add:  Now the question is.....do I delete the comments referring to the S&M thread or leave them for laughs  :wink:  :lol:  :lol:


 I thought this might be appropriate  :arrow:  :smt079
You all are too hilarious ~ had to leave schoool early today, and needed this laugh!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tylergal on March 05, 2007, 01:21:12 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Sorry to barge in here monkeys but I have an urgent prayer request.  My neighbor, which is really more like family than neighbors, daughter is very sick in Children's Hospital in Birmingham.  The little girl's name is Ella Grace and she is 5 years old. Her left lung is collapsed and fluid is building up on her right lung. Diagnosis is Pneumonia.  Went to doctor on Thursday and they sent her home without any blood work or xrays.  Parents are frantic. Please say a few prayers for this little girl for me.  I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks.


I certainly have offered my prayer and will continue.  I heard from a family member involved in the healthcare community that near the end of January, there were almost 40 children in UAB-Children's on respirators from pneumonia.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: tcumom on March 05, 2007, 01:24:07 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Sorry to barge in here monkeys but I have an urgent prayer request.  My neighbor, which is really more like family than neighbors, daughter is very sick in Children's Hospital in Birmingham.  The little girl's name is Ella Grace and she is 5 years old. Her left lung is collapsed and fluid is building up on her right lung. Diagnosis is Pneumonia.  Went to doctor on Thursday and they sent her home without any blood work or xrays.  Parents are frantic. Please say a few prayers for this little girl for me.  I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks.

This is just awful.  I will add her to our prayer list at school, too.  Please keep us updated.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: dkpen on March 05, 2007, 01:31:56 PM
Hi everyone!


Saying prayers for little Ella. God is looking after her and she is in good hands now. She will be home soon and feeling back to normal before her parents know it. Giving a good scare sometimes lets us realize just how precious life is.

Upon examination the doctor probably did not hear anything in her lungs when he listened to her chest. Sometimes it can go undetected when lungs are full. My daughter experianced that several times as a child. Unless an x-ray is ordered they will feel nothing is wrong other than maybe a common cold and treat them as such. With no antibiotics to boot.

God bless~


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 05, 2007, 01:32:23 PM
Thanks monkeys.  I knew you guys would help.  Ella is like my own child.  She is rarely sick and the family is terrified of her getting worse.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: dkpen on March 05, 2007, 01:34:05 PM
grrrr...Klaas...I'm still having to log back in every time I want to post. I check the "remember password box" to remain logged in. I post, click to submit, read others post and go to reply and have to log in again. I should not have to log in every time I want to reply to a post. grrrr.

Anyone else having this same issue?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: dkpen on March 05, 2007, 01:36:43 PM
Log me on automatically each visit: checked

It just does not like me. Keeps knocking me out. I guess it likes tasting my password every time I wish to post. The biotch!  lol


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 05, 2007, 01:37:02 PM
Quote from: "dkpen"
grrrr...Klaas...I'm still having to log back in every time I want to post. I check the "remember password box" to remain logged in. I post, click to submit, read others post and go to reply and have to log in again. I should not have to log in every time I want to reply to a post. grrrr.

Anyone else having this same issue?


Anyone that is till having problems, please email Tom.  It could be a cookie issue, I'm not sure.  

tom@scaredmonkeys.com


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 05, 2007, 01:37:37 PM
Quote from: "dkpen"
Log me on automatically each visit: checked

It just does not like me. Keeps knocking me out. I guess it likes tasting my password every time I wish to post. The biotch!  lol


Passwords have flavor?  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 05, 2007, 01:38:12 PM
It's also possible it has something to do with which browser you are using.  I use IE7.0 and have not had any problems at all since the site came back.  Again, this is something you should ask Tom about though.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: dkpen on March 05, 2007, 01:40:49 PM
I use Internet Explorer and have Scared Monkeys bookmarked. Never had problems like this before.

Thanks, I'll shoot an e-mail to Tom about it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 05, 2007, 01:42:41 PM
Quote from: "dkpen"
I use Internet Explorer and have Scared Monkeys bookmarked. Never had problems like this before.

Thanks, I'll shoot an e-mail to Tom about it.

The bookmark may be your problem.  I would try deleting that bookmark and rebookmarking it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Peaches on March 05, 2007, 01:45:57 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "dkpen"
I use Internet Explorer and have Scared Monkeys bookmarked. Never had problems like this before.

Thanks, I'll shoot an e-mail to Tom about it.

The bookmark may be your problem.  I would try deleting that bookmark and rebookmarking it.



DING DING DING!!!!!  

I recall having a similar problem.  Again, for the right answer, see Klaas.

I was hospitalized for pneumonia a couple times before I was five years old.  Pneumonia sucks at any age.

Prayers for this sweetie.

I'm outta here.  My PC at home bought the farm on Sat. afternoon so I'm strictly a morning monkey now.  

Have a great day, my friends!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: dkpen on March 05, 2007, 01:46:28 PM
Ok, sent e-mail to Tom. Will wait for his reply.

Thanks Klaas.

God bless~


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 05, 2007, 01:48:52 PM
Quote from: "dkpen"
Ok, sent e-mail to Tom. Will wait for his reply.

Thanks Klaas.

God bless~

Did you see my post regarding your bookmark?  Try deleting it and rebookmarking.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 05, 2007, 01:51:19 PM
Heading out to get some work done.  Will talk to you monkeys later.  Thanks for all the prayers.  Will update in the prayer thread.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: dkpen on March 05, 2007, 01:51:55 PM
Yes, I saw your post after I posted I sent Tom e-mail. We most of been posting at the same time.

I deleted the bookmark and will see what happens. Will test post replies to see if that fixed the problem.

 :P


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: dkpen on March 05, 2007, 01:54:01 PM
grrr...nope...that didn't work.  :?

Still having to log back in with each reply post. So odd!

Oh well, I can at least still post even with having to log back in each time. <gives her computer a good ole' fashion swift kick>  There, that usually works. See if that helps now.  LOL


Take care Lala's.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: MsVada on March 05, 2007, 02:00:03 PM
Has anyone had the problem with making a post and then 50 windows tabs opening up??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 05, 2007, 02:04:16 PM
Quote from: "Ms.DarthVada"
Has anyone had the problem with making a post and then 50 windows tabs opening up??

That's a new one!  :lol:  Please let Tom know about these issues.  tom@scaredmonkeys.com


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: dkpen on March 05, 2007, 02:12:26 PM
Quote from: "Ms.DarthVada"
Has anyone had the problem with making a post and then 50 windows tabs opening up??



Wow, now that's odd!  Invasion of the mystery monkey. mwahahahaha!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: dkpen on March 05, 2007, 02:18:51 PM
Tom replied and will be looking into the problem today. :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: scared-tom on March 05, 2007, 02:23:23 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Ms.DarthVada"
Has anyone had the problem with making a post and then 50 windows tabs opening up??

That's a new one!  :lol:  Please let Tom know about these issues.  tom@scaredmonkeys.com


Please let me know if there are issues. We switched servers companies and also upgraded to the newest version of the software, so these issues will pop up.

Many times it is things we fixed over a year ago and I have to go through my notes to find the answer...

Tom


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: AZLady on March 05, 2007, 02:26:08 PM
Hi Monkeys.  Glad to see everyone back.  Does anyone know if there is any news on the lawsuits in LA?  All seems to be unusually quiet on that front.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: dkpen on March 05, 2007, 02:27:18 PM
Looks like AWEMainta has an article about a 940 kilo cocaine bust. Klaas can you bring that article over to the M&C thread? I'm not a registered user of AWEMainta but can see all front pages. lol

http://www.awemainta.com/


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 05, 2007, 02:27:41 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Hi Monkeys.  Glad to see everyone back.  Does anyone know if there is any news on the lawsuits in LA?  All seems to be unusually quiet on that front.

I checked for updates to the website this morning and nothing new.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: MsVada on March 05, 2007, 02:28:00 PM
next time I will.  I just hate bugging them, I know they are busy too.  

I assume he knows about it now.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: AZLady on March 05, 2007, 02:32:14 PM
Quote from: "dkpen"
Looks like AWEMainta has an article about a 940 kilo cocaine bust. Klaas can you bring that article over to the M&C thread? I'm not a registered user of AWEMainta but can see all front pages. lol

http://www.awemainta.com/


Sounds like the drug business is still thriving in the Caribbean (said with ironic tone).   They always say that more gets through than gets caught.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 05, 2007, 02:40:52 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "dkpen"
Looks like AWEMainta has an article about a 940 kilo cocaine bust. Klaas can you bring that article over to the M&C thread? I'm not a registered user of AWEMainta but can see all front pages. lol

http://www.awemainta.com/


Sounds like the drug business is still thriving in the Caribbean (said with ironic tone).   They always say that more gets through than gets caught.

Looks like it was from Columbia on it's way to Amsterdam:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Awemainta030507a.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Awemainta030507b.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: dkpen on March 05, 2007, 02:45:00 PM
Amsterdam...hmmm...go figure!  :?

Thanks for bringing it over to SM for me.


Another post from aruba.bb.  Me tinks they tink their tourism is booming. They can dream on!

Tourism Grew By 13.2 Percent In December 2006


March 2nd 2007, Aruba.




ORANJESTAD-December 2006 has been a good month for tourism on the
island. Aruba welcomed 64,733 stay-over arrivals in December 2006
compared to 57,210 stay-over arrivals in December 2005, a robust
increase of 13.2 percent.

The total number of visitor nights spent stood at 546,828 nights in
December 2006, an increase of 8.4 percent compared to December 2005.
The average occupancy rate of hotels stood at 75.7 percent in December
2006 compared to 74.4 percent in December 2005, an increase of 1.3
percentage points.

Canada Continues To Grow

Aruba received 3,408 stay-over arrivals from Canada in December 2006
compared to 2,659 Canadian arrivals in December 2005, an increase of
28.2 percent.

U.S. Market First Solid Growth Since August 2005

The U.S. market rebounded strongly in December 2006, and that is
mainly attributed to the substantial increase in arrivals from the state of
New York. A total of 42,663 Americans arrived on the island in December
2006 compared to 37,243 Americans in December 2005, an increase of
14.6 percent.

New York State Responsible For Much Of The Growth U.S. Market.

Aruba received 10,427 Americans from New York state in December 2006
compared to 7,751 Americans that arrived from that state in December
2005, an increase of 34.5 percent. The rise in arrivals from New York
state can be attributed to aggressive marketing of the island in that
region, in addition to new airlift by the budget carrier Jetblue.

Europe

The Netherlands, the most important European generating market for
Aruba, registered a decline of 4 percent. A total of 3,386 Dutchmen
arrived on the island in December 2006 compared to 3,526 Dutch arrivals
in December 2005. Most European markets registered solid gains. The
British market is up 44.9 percent, German market is up 64.3 percent, the
Spanish market is up 123.9 percent and the Russian market is up
247.6 percent.

South America

Aruba received 6,773 Venezuelans in December 2006 compared to 6,757
Venezuelans in December 2005, an increase of 0.3 percent. Colombia is
up 33.4 percent, Argentina is down 41.3 percent and Brazil is up 33.6
percent.

http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?t=42149


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: scared-tom on March 05, 2007, 02:50:18 PM
Quote from: "dkpen"
Tom replied and will be looking into the problem today. :D


Looks like I fixed the problem. You all are going to be forced to log-in once more for the change to take place. That is perfectly normal.

T

Of course, if I did not fix the problem, let me know at tom@scaredmonkeys.com


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: scared-tom on March 05, 2007, 02:52:03 PM
Quote from: "Ms.DarthVada"
Has anyone had the problem with making a post and then 50 windows tabs opening up??


Ms DarthVada

What are in those window tabs? Are they in one instance of internet explorer or firefox, or are they seperate windows?

Tom


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on March 05, 2007, 03:08:11 PM
I am at home early. Really dumb question. When I leave the forum, is it to anyone's advantage if I leave via the Amazon link ? And do not purchase anything ?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: dkpen on March 05, 2007, 03:09:01 PM
Quote from: "scared-tom"
Quote from: "dkpen"
Tom replied and will be looking into the problem today. :D


Looks like I fixed the problem. You all are going to be forced to log-in once more for the change to take place. That is perfectly normal.

T

Of course, if I did not fix the problem, let me know at tom@scaredmonkeys.com



Thanks Tom.  I will do a test reply post after this one to see if I am still logged in or kicked out.  Here's hoping!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: scared-tom on March 05, 2007, 03:09:48 PM
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
I am at home early. Really dumb question. When I leave the forum, is it to anyone's advantage if I leave via the Amazon link ? And do not purchase anything ?


Nope, Amazon only helps us keep the lights on when items are bought. Thanks for thinking of us.

Tom


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: dkpen on March 05, 2007, 03:10:13 PM
hmmm nope...no change.  Will try one more time since Tom said will have to log in one more time.  :?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: dkpen on March 05, 2007, 03:11:07 PM
well poo...Tom...same problem. Having to continue to log back in with every reply. Drats!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on March 05, 2007, 03:17:16 PM
Quote from: "scared-tom"
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
I am at home early. Really dumb question. When I leave the forum, is it to anyone's advantage if I leave via the Amazon link ? And do not purchase anything ?


Nope, Amazon only helps us keep the lights on when items are bought. Thanks for thinking of us.

Tom

TY. I do not shop at Amazon ( I get nailed by Customs 1/2 of the time and have to pay a 13 % tax, plus the exchange, it just too much ).


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Seamonkey on March 05, 2007, 03:21:48 PM
*sneaking into the conv.*
Kat-Gram -- thought I would just say I LOVE your smiley and kitty! It is so cute. :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on March 05, 2007, 03:54:26 PM
It is. I have Incredimail ( free ) at home . GD ( 8 ) loves it.
Tell little email stories. Can make some really cute invites. The best was a dinner invite with a turkey running across the page. I use the kitty as my sig line on that mail system. I also have the regular Outlook Express for more serious things.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 05, 2007, 04:00:20 PM
Hello Monkey mates!  
Just letting you all know that there will be a Tuesday again this week  :lol:

Kat_Gram love the kitty smiley icon.  Is that OUR Cat?

Klaas I was wondering if it would be an idea to open a separate thread where I would put map of Australia and maybe the Aussie slang dictionary (properly censored, of course) so that they would be readily accessible for reference to save viewers leafing back through all the pages to find them.  I re-posted the map again as I realised I am waffling on about all these cities and towns and maybe no one knows where they are? :lol:  :lol:
Help them improve their Australian geography.  I know I have had to brush up my American knowledge since coming here to SM. :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: dkpen on March 05, 2007, 04:00:53 PM
yay!  Think I fixed it. Dunno what happened but after shutting down my pc the darn thing wanted me to "Activate a copy of Windows". Don't have a clue what happened. Guess I kicked it to hard earlier. LOL

Gonna have hubby look at it. Maybe Window's has an upgrade and wants me to activate the upgrade to my pc. No idea. <shrugs>


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 05, 2007, 04:02:08 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Hello Monkey mates!  
Just letting you all know that there will be a Tuesday again this week  :lol:

Kat_Gram love the kitty smiley icon.  Is that OUR Cat?

Klaas I was wondering if it would be an idea to open a separate thread where I would put map of Australia and maybe the Aussie slang dictionary (properly censored, of course) so that they would be readily accessible for reference to save viewers leafing back through all the pages to find them.  I re-posted the map again as I realised I am waffling on about all these cities and towns and maybe no one knows where they are? :lol:  :lol:
Help them improve their Australian geography.  I know I have had to brush up my American knowledge since coming here to SM. :wink:

Sure, just open up a new thread in the Monkey Lounge.  Good idea!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: msmarple on March 05, 2007, 04:02:53 PM
Quote from: "dkpen"
yay!  Think I fixed it. Dunno what happened but after shutting down my pc the darn thing wanted me to "Activate a copy of Windows". Don't have a clue what happened. Guess I kicked it to hard earlier. LOL

Gonna have hubby look at it. Maybe Window's has an upgrade and wants me to activate the upgrade to my pc. No idea. <shrugs>


klaas will know best - but maybe Windows wants you to upgrade because of DAYLIGHT SAVINGS TIME starting 3/11 this year.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: dkpen on March 05, 2007, 04:03:30 PM
well poo....nope...did not fix it...thought I had. chit!


Tib sounds like a lot of fun with your Aussie thread. Will be fun learning new slang words to play with. Hubby will be scratching his head wondering what the heck I had said. Fun to mess with family and friends too. lol And not to mention learning new words to speak with our Aussie friends.  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 05, 2007, 04:04:18 PM
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
It is. I have Incredimail ( free ) at home . GD ( 8 ) loves it.
Tell little email stories. Can make some really cute invites. The best was a dinner invite with a turkey running across the page. I use the kitty as my sig line on that mail system. I also have the regular Outlook Express for more serious things.


DH loves Incredimail - keeps changing notifiers.  Just a big kid.
At present it is all set up for St Patricks Day and Pot of Gold for the notifier.  Wish it would happen that easily  :lol:  :lol:
Has some nice kitty designs for emails too  :wink:  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: dkpen on March 05, 2007, 04:04:43 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Quote from: "dkpen"
yay!  Think I fixed it. Dunno what happened but after shutting down my pc the darn thing wanted me to "Activate a copy of Windows". Don't have a clue what happened. Guess I kicked it to hard earlier. LOL

Gonna have hubby look at it. Maybe Window's has an upgrade and wants me to activate the upgrade to my pc. No idea. <shrugs>


klaas will know best - but maybe Windows wants you to upgrade because of DAYLIGHT SAVINGS TIME starting 3/11 this year.


They upgrade that early in advance?  Thanks for the heads up info msmarple.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Mere on March 05, 2007, 04:11:24 PM
Good afternoon friends.....did have trouble staying on the forum using AOL yesterday.....testing this afternoon to see what happens.   :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: dkpen on March 05, 2007, 04:19:02 PM
ok, got Windows activated. So that's done.  Phew!  Never have had that happen before. Thought I did something wrong.

Now, here's hoping I can remain logged in. Geez, what a day.  lol


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on March 05, 2007, 04:22:25 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
It is. I have Incredimail ( free ) at home . GD ( 8 ) loves it.
Tell little email stories. Can make some really cute invites. The best was a dinner invite with a turkey running across the page. I use the kitty as my sig line on that mail system. I also have the regular Outlook Express for more serious things.


DH loves Incredimail - keeps changing notifiers.  Just a big kid.
At present it is all set up for St Patricks Day and Pot of Gold for the notifier.  Wish it would happen that easily  :lol:  :lol:
Has some nice kitty designs for emails too  :wink:  :wink:

I did not know you could change notfiers. I have a butler guy.
It's fun, upbeat. Free. Did some shower invites for work mate with storks, crying babies. Printed them at work on their state of the art color printer and then trimmed off the to and froms. It is so easy. Your DH must be a fun guy if he likes to play with that mail thing. It appeals to my inner child. Too much seriousness in my work life, anything to release a few good humor chemicals is a good thing.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 05, 2007, 04:23:29 PM
Quote from: "dkpen"
well poo....nope...did not fix it...thought I had. chit!


Tib sounds like a lot of fun with your Aussie thread. Will be fun learning new slang words to play with. Hubby will be scratching his head wondering what the heck I had said. Fun to mess with family and friends too. lol And not to mention learning new words to speak with our Aussie friends.  :wink:


Thanks dkpen - I am amazed at the number of views so far on the Aussie thread.  I am really enjoying finding articles and pictures to post and it is nice to know there is so much interest in our lovely country.
It also helps me feel I am contributing to SM in a way as it is not possible here to join in the campaign for answers and justice for dear Natalee.  Flyers and bumper stickers would not mean much to anyone here.  I have chatted to many people and travel agents and have yet to meet anyone who has even heard of Aruba, let alone plan to go there.  People here go to Asia, NZ, and south Pacific Islands for holidays.  Some even go to Britain, Canada and the US!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Mere on March 05, 2007, 04:23:45 PM
Quote from: "dkpen"
ok, got Windows activated. So that's done.  Phew!  Never have had that happen before. Thought I did something wrong.

Now, here's hoping I can remain logged in. Geez, what a day.  lol


That was my yesterday...!   :D

Glad you are okay....!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 05, 2007, 04:29:23 PM
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
It is. I have Incredimail ( free ) at home . GD ( 8 ) loves it.
Tell little email stories. Can make some really cute invites. The best was a dinner invite with a turkey running across the page. I use the kitty as my sig line on that mail system. I also have the regular Outlook Express for more serious things.


DH loves Incredimail - keeps changing notifiers.  Just a big kid.
At present it is all set up for St Patricks Day and Pot of Gold for the notifier.  Wish it would happen that easily  :lol:  :lol:
Has some nice kitty designs for emails too  :wink:  :wink:

I did not know you could change notfiers. I have a butler guy.
It's fun, upbeat. Free. Did some shower invites for work mate with storks, crying babies. Printed them at work on their state of the art color printer and then trimmed off the to and froms. It is so easy. Your DH must be a fun guy if he likes to play with that mail thing. It appeals to my inner child. Too much seriousness in my work life, anything to release a few good humor chemicals is a good thing.


Yes he is a fun guy.  Quieter now than he used to be before his ops, so spends a lot of spare time playing on Incredimail and eBay!
If you click on Notifiers on top task bar you get a drop down menu with lots of selections for when you get tired of the butler.  There is a nice kitty notifier  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on March 05, 2007, 04:30:36 PM
From Tib :
"Even heard of Aruba, let alone plan to go there."
Even when you have heard of the place, doesn't make you want to go there.
With JetBlue flying ( well sort of flying ) or sitting on the tarmac,
maybe there will be less JetBlue customers. That was a customer relations disaster.
There was a Nelson from Aruba who worked at JetBlue. He at least on RWV was a supporter of Justice for Natalee and then he became a turncoat after the call for a boycott. It was because JetBlue had these plans and it affected his business.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: dkpen on March 05, 2007, 04:30:46 PM
:smt102   I give up.  I have to keep logging in with every reply to a post. Gonna let Tom figure it out. Will try back later on. See if anything works any better then.

God bless~


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: scared-tom on March 05, 2007, 04:31:11 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "dkpen"
well poo....nope...did not fix it...thought I had. chit!


Tib sounds like a lot of fun with your Aussie thread. Will be fun learning new slang words to play with. Hubby will be scratching his head wondering what the heck I had said. Fun to mess with family and friends too. lol And not to mention learning new words to speak with our Aussie friends.  :wink:


Thanks dkpen - I am amazed at the number of views so far on the Aussie thread.  I am really enjoying finding articles and pictures to post and it is nice to know there is so much interest in our lovely country.
It also helps me feel I am contributing to SM in a way as it is not possible here to join in the campaign for answers and justice for dear Natalee.  Flyers and bumper stickers would not mean much to anyone here.  I have chatted to many people and travel agents and have yet to meet anyone who has even heard of Aruba, let alone plan to go there.  People here go to Asia, NZ, and south Pacific Islands for holidays.  Some even go to Britain, Canada and the US!


Tibro

I spent a year in Oz back in 83-84 as an exchange student at a school on the Gold Coast. A great time in my life and lots of fun and friends.

The first day or two were nerve wracking though, even though Australians and I both spoke English, I had the hardest time figuring out what was being said.  :lol:

I soon learned though...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on March 05, 2007, 04:32:14 PM
I don't have to keep logging in.??? Just noticed that.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 05, 2007, 04:46:33 PM
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
From Tib :
"Even heard of Aruba, let alone plan to go there."
Even when you have heard of the place, doesn't make you want to go there.
With JetBlue flying ( well sort of flying ) or sitting on the tarmac,
maybe there will be less JetBlue customers. That was a customer relations disaster.
There was a Nelson from Aruba who worked at JetBlue. He at least on RWV was a supporter of Justice for Natalee and then he became a turncoat after the call for a boycott. It was because JetBlue had these plans and it affected his business.

I used to read at RWV and remember Nelson and when he changed direction.  Money talks. (All it ever says to me is "Goodbye")
Aruba and JetBlue sound like a good match.  And now the Marriott wants to sweep all the local enterprises off the beach in front of their swanky new hotel.  Where will all the derelicts and druggies go now?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 05, 2007, 04:50:33 PM
Quote from: "scared-tom"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "dkpen"
well poo....nope...did not fix it...thought I had. chit!


Tib sounds like a lot of fun with your Aussie thread. Will be fun learning new slang words to play with. Hubby will be scratching his head wondering what the heck I had said. Fun to mess with family and friends too. lol And not to mention learning new words to speak with our Aussie friends.  :wink:


Thanks dkpen - I am amazed at the number of views so far on the Aussie thread.  I am really enjoying finding articles and pictures to post and it is nice to know there is so much interest in our lovely country.
It also helps me feel I am contributing to SM in a way as it is not possible here to join in the campaign for answers and justice for dear Natalee.  Flyers and bumper stickers would not mean much to anyone here.  I have chatted to many people and travel agents and have yet to meet anyone who has even heard of Aruba, let alone plan to go there.  People here go to Asia, NZ, and south Pacific Islands for holidays.  Some even go to Britain, Canada and the US!


Tibro

I spent a year in Oz back in 83-84 as an exchange student at a school on the Gold Coast. A great time in my life and lots of fun and friends.

The first day or two were nerve wracking though, even though Australians and I both spoke English, I had the hardest time figuring out what was being said.  :lol:

I soon learned though...


 :lol:  :lol:

You won't need to refer to the slang dictionary - bet you could fill in a few words that I will have to leave out   :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 05, 2007, 04:59:43 PM
Hope I do not speak too soon.......
I am having a good day on here today.  I have posted, refreshed, logged in and out and it all works!!!
Trouble is it is a busy day for me and I will have to go but hope to check back in again later in my day.
Be good monkeys.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: MsVada on March 05, 2007, 05:15:58 PM
Hi

Just doing a drive by to see if my problems are fixed.....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: robots on March 05, 2007, 05:37:13 PM
ARUBA BLOWS CHUNCKS  :smt031


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: robots on March 05, 2007, 05:37:55 PM
:smt050  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on March 05, 2007, 05:51:26 PM
Quote from: "robots"
ARUBA BLOWS CHUNCKS  :smt031


 :o  :o
Well Hello and Goobbye Mr. Robots. I got to go but always nice to see ya. :smt032 here is you very own icon from the ' other ' section.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on March 05, 2007, 05:52:48 PM
Because I think we are all in the  :lol: " other " :lol:  section ! !


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: oldfart on March 05, 2007, 06:04:21 PM
:smt006  Hi Monkeys...
Just peeking in to see what the NEW Place looks like with brand new floors and paint  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 05, 2007, 06:06:09 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "Sam"
OOps! forgot to mention Crazybabyborg gave me the original kitty also then she put the heart around it for Valentines day. Then she made me one for St. Pats but it was so busy I never changed and then she was in the accident so I did not want to bother her to see if she could make it quit blinking so much. And I do not mind if I just have the heart. LOL


Sam! Don't be silly! I don't mind at all trying to calm you down!  :wink:

Is this better?

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/StPatSam-1.gif)

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/StPatSam-1.gif


Hi Guys!  :smt039 I'm bringing this forward in hopes Sam will see it. Klaas? If she shows up and I'm not here, will you please direct her to the lounge where this is waiting for her? TIA!  :smt023

I just LOVE the emoticons! :smt054


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 05, 2007, 06:08:51 PM
HEY, OLDFART!  :smt006

Where's your St Paddy duds? :smt102


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Cat on March 05, 2007, 06:10:13 PM
Yessss,that was me meow.I do get around.so many queens,so little time,roowl.i have been happy to see all of you,again.Spartecus Cat


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: oldfart on March 05, 2007, 06:11:07 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
HEY, OLDFART!  :smt006

Where's your St Paddy duds? :smt102

HEY CBB
I got them in my closet..  No since getting ready for the party too early on :wink:
Hope you and your friend are recovering well


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 05, 2007, 06:15:20 PM
Could it be as simple as this?  After the confession, when they couldn't find a body, did it become a "non-confession"?  No corpse no case?

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/GrantSloot2.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 05, 2007, 06:17:42 PM
Quote from: "Cat"
Yessss,that was me meow.I do get around.so many queens,so little time,roowl.i have been happy to see all of you,again.Spartecus Cat


Have a drink on me, Cat!

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/smjazzcatStPat-2.gif)[/img]

Thanks, OF. I'm much better and he'll be fine eventually! I'm trying to take good care of him!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: justinsmama on March 05, 2007, 06:19:05 PM
Excellent, klaas!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 05, 2007, 06:21:57 PM
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Excellent, klaas!

I'm dead serious too.  When someone, probably Joran confessed and it was reported they were on their way to where the body was, when they got there was it missing?  No body?  Joran didn't know where it was moved to but was told just to keep his mouth shut.  No corpse no case?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on March 05, 2007, 06:25:28 PM
Had to pop back in. I do not think Joran knows where she is now.
But he knows who moved her... Daddy Dearest & his buddies.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: justinsmama on March 05, 2007, 06:26:23 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Excellent, klaas!

I'm dead serious too.  When someone, probably Joran confessed and it was reported they were on their way to where the body was, when they got there was it missing?  No body?  Joran didn't know where it was moved to but was told just to keep his mouth shut.  No corpse no case?


Yes, I knew you were serious. Comparisons of Joran to most any other murderer will have significant correlations.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: igsigs on March 05, 2007, 06:32:16 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Excellent, klaas!

I'm dead serious too.  When someone, probably Joran confessed and it was reported they were on their way to where the body was, when they got there was it missing?  No body?  Joran didn't know where it was moved to but was told just to keep his mouth shut.  No corpse no case?

Absolutely. Even Dr. Dompig laid out the burial, re-reburial scenerio. Involving a *second group* of suspects. He got the idea somewhere.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: robots on March 05, 2007, 06:34:31 PM
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
Quote from: "robots"
ARUBA BLOWS CHUNCKS  :smt031


 :o  :o
Well Hello and Goobbye Mr. Robots. I got to go but always nice to see ya. :smt032 here is you very own icon from the ' other ' section.



hiya Kat  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 05, 2007, 06:43:18 PM
Hi Klaas!

Good Job on the comparison.

Is it true that Joran confessed on Thursday, the 9th of June; at which time the investigators said that they would be taking Joran to the scene on Saturday, June 11?  That's what I read.

What happened on Friday?  

Maybe the video was taken on Friday, the 10th.

But not down loaded on the internet until the Sunday, the 12th... which would seem logical once the news got out that nothing was found at the rocks.

Do we have any idea of who took the video?

Doesn't it seem important that the Aruban authorities look for the man that is seen at the rocks, painting?

What the heck is going on over there?  I saw a picture of a couple police officers talking to the man, as he was painting... or atleast, I think I did.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 05, 2007, 06:48:25 PM
Quote from: "Patti"
Hi Klaas!

Good Job on the comparison.

Is it true that Joran confessed on Thursday, the 9th of June; at which time the investigators said that they would be taking Joran to the scene on Saturday, June 11?  That's what I read.

What happened on Friday?  

Maybe the video was taken on Friday, the 10th.

But not down loaded on the internet until the Sunday, the 12th... which would seem logical once the news got out that nothing was found at the rocks.

Do we have any idea of who took the video?

Doesn't it seem important that the Aruban authorities look for the man that is seen at the rocks, painting?

What the heck is going on over there?  I saw a picture of a couple police officers talking to the man, as he was painting... or atleast, I think I did.

1.  I believe the confession was either late night on 6/10 or early 6/11
2.  No way to be certain what day the aru-bay video of the rocks was actually taken but the first part of it was uploaded to the site on 6/11.
3.  Yes, there are ALE at the rock area in the video.  It does appear to be a crime scene.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 05, 2007, 07:24:08 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Excellent, klaas!

I'm dead serious too.  When someone, probably Joran confessed and it was reported they were on their way to where the body was, when they got there was it missing?  No body?  Joran didn't know where it was moved to but was told just to keep his mouth shut.  No corpse no case?


Why does everyone think it was Joran who confessed.  Deepak is the one with the big mouth and the most to lose and he is trying to not only save himself but also his brother.  I think he is the one who confessed.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 05, 2007, 07:25:24 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Excellent, klaas!

I'm dead serious too.  When someone, probably Joran confessed and it was reported they were on their way to where the body was, when they got there was it missing?  No body?  Joran didn't know where it was moved to but was told just to keep his mouth shut.  No corpse no case?


Why does everyone think it was Joran who confessed.  Deepak is the one with the big mouth and the most to lose and he is trying to not only save himself but also his brother.  I think he is the one who confessed.

I could have been Deepak who confessed.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 05, 2007, 07:26:52 PM
The one thing that sticks in my mind is when Deepak said something on the Skeeters tape about having no friends and he life was over.  Why would he feel that way.  Because everyone is mad at him for confessing that's why.

Why is it Joran that everyone isn't mad at Psycho Joran.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 05, 2007, 07:27:49 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Excellent, klaas!

I'm dead serious too.  When someone, probably Joran confessed and it was reported they were on their way to where the body was, when they got there was it missing?  No body?  Joran didn't know where it was moved to but was told just to keep his mouth shut.  No corpse no case?


Why does everyone think it was Joran who confessed.  Deepak is the one with the big mouth and the most to lose and he is trying to not only save himself but also his brother.  I think he is the one who confessed.

I could have been Deepak who confessed.

OK I feel better now :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Buckeye on March 05, 2007, 07:54:03 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Excellent, klaas!

I'm dead serious too.  When someone, probably Joran confessed and it was reported they were on their way to where the body was, when they got there was it missing?  No body?  Joran didn't know where it was moved to but was told just to keep his mouth shut.  No corpse no case?


Why does everyone think it was Joran who confessed.  Deepak is the one with the big mouth and the most to lose and he is trying to not only save himself but also his brother.  I think he is the one who confessed.


I would maybe think this....except for that picture of Joran...the only one that looks like he'd been crying...and was screwed.  I bet it was taken on the way to "the grave" before he discovered "no body".  He never looked like that before or since.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 05, 2007, 08:06:08 PM
NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

Joran Van der Sloot - Stephen Grant Comparison … How do crimes Differ? Sometimes its in the Confession


http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2007/03/05/joran-van-der-sloot-stephen-grant-comparison-how-do-crimes-differ-sometimes-its-in-the-confession/


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 05, 2007, 08:08:51 PM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Excellent, klaas!

I'm dead serious too.  When someone, probably Joran confessed and it was reported they were on their way to where the body was, when they got there was it missing?  No body?  Joran didn't know where it was moved to but was told just to keep his mouth shut.  No corpse no case?


Why does everyone think it was Joran who confessed.  Deepak is the one with the big mouth and the most to lose and he is trying to not only save himself but also his brother.  I think he is the one who confessed.


I would maybe think this....except for that picture of Joran...the only one that looks like he'd been crying...and was screwed.  I bet it was taken on the way to "the grave" before he discovered "no body".  He never looked like that before or since.

Right but he was crying because they were screaming at him and calling him all kind of names.  He wanted his mommy.  He knows better then to confess.  I am sure Paulus drilled it in him whatever you do don't confess and stick with the story.  Also, Dennis Jacobs and I believe Van der Straaten were in charge of his interrogations.  We all saw how they questioned him.  Let's not forget he threw a tantrum when they arrested his father also and there was no confession.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: igsigs on March 05, 2007, 08:09:55 PM
Things are slow. A post from GrannyToad about MF/Renfro caught my eye. It's a subject that has been beaten to death but the continuing self-defeating propoganda remains a curiosity to me. It is unfortunate for Aruba that these two have been chosen, or taken it upon themselves, to represent the island in this case.  IMO

"Sure they spin, Glenda/Julia worst of all with her nutty lies. They're disrespectful of others, particularly, where intellect is concerned and couldn't care less - it's their game at their sandbox. Nasty earns rewards there.

And yes they think others are stupid - with good reason. We've seen what crud they feed Arubians. In such a small backward society they may think everyone's like them. The PTBs for sure thought they could run Natalee's parents off quick with BS - it's worked before, so why not."


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on March 05, 2007, 08:11:04 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Excellent, klaas!

I'm dead serious too.  When someone, probably Joran confessed and it was reported they were on their way to where the body was, when they got there was it missing?  No body?  Joran didn't know where it was moved to but was told just to keep his mouth shut.  No corpse no case?

Absolutely. Even Dr. Dompig laid out the burial, re-reburial scenerio. Involving a *second group* of suspects. He got the idea somewhere.


Good point, Igsigs. I doubt he would have publicly said that if there were not information to lead them in that direction.

I believe Paulus took it out of the three pimps hands at 4:00 am and thus cut down on the possibility they might incriminate themselves during interrogation. Joran may know because his pimp daddy father may have told him, but the Kalpoes are more than likely out of the loop.

Van der Straten, after he left the Crappy Island, said the case would have been solved a long time ago but some people didn't want to cooperate. Would be interesting to know how high up this goes. Dompig said his hands were tied. Who tied them?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 05, 2007, 08:16:47 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Excellent, klaas!

I'm dead serious too.  When someone, probably Joran confessed and it was reported they were on their way to where the body was, when they got there was it missing?  No body?  Joran didn't know where it was moved to but was told just to keep his mouth shut.  No corpse no case?

Absolutely. Even Dr. Dompig laid out the burial, re-reburial scenerio. Involving a *second group* of suspects. He got the idea somewhere.


Good point, Igsigs. I doubt he would have publicly said that if there were not information to lead them in that direction.

I believe Paulus took it out of the three pimps hands at 4:00 am and thus cut down on the possibility they might incriminate themselves during interrogation. Joran may know because his pimp daddy father may have told him, but the Kalpoes are more than likely out of the loop.

Van der Straten, after he left the Crappy Island, said the case would have been solved a long time ago but some people didn't want to cooperate. Would be interesting to know how high up this goes. Dompig said his hands were tied. Who tied them?

Rudy Croes.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 05, 2007, 08:17:03 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Things are slow. A post from GrannyToad about MF/Renfro caught my eye. It's a subject that has been beaten to death but the continuing self-defeating propoganda remains a curiosity to me. It is unfortunate for Aruba that these two have been chosen, or taken it upon themselves, to represent the island in this case.  IMO

"Sure they spin, Glenda/Julia worst of all with her nutty lies. They're disrespectful of others, particularly, where intellect is concerned and couldn't care less - it's their game at their sandbox. Nasty earns rewards there.

And yes they think others are stupid - with good reason. We've seen what crud they feed Arubians. In such a small backward society they may think everyone's like them. The PTBs for sure thought they could run Natalee's parents off quick with BS - it's worked before, so why not."

I honestly believe, that upon Oduber's orders, certain people were told to hit the blogs and message boards to distract and twist the truth.  Julia Renfro for sure and I assume Scubajap as well.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 05, 2007, 08:20:15 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Things are slow. A post from GrannyToad about MF/Renfro caught my eye. It's a subject that has been beaten to death but the continuing self-defeating propoganda remains a curiosity to me. It is unfortunate for Aruba that these two have been chosen, or taken it upon themselves, to represent the island in this case.  IMO

"Sure they spin, Glenda/Julia worst of all with her nutty lies. They're disrespectful of others, particularly, where intellect is concerned and couldn't care less - it's their game at their sandbox. Nasty earns rewards there.

And yes they think others are stupid - with good reason. We've seen what crud they feed Arubians. In such a small backward society they may think everyone's like them. The PTBs for sure thought they could run Natalee's parents off quick with BS - it's worked before, so why not."

I honestly believe, that upon Oduber's orders, certain people were told to hit the blogs and message boards to distract and twist the truth.  Julia Renfro for sure and I assume Scubajap as well.

I agree Klaas.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 05, 2007, 08:21:42 PM
Glenda/Julia Renfro posted a "hate" email she claimed to have received from someone in the US.  The email was addressed to ATA.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: igsigs on March 05, 2007, 08:24:02 PM
Dayhiker...the events and contradictory statements re Monday are a red flag. Two groups...two crimes would explain a lot.

Paulus twice denied he went back to the RC to meet Joran. Then remembered. It is possible a witness saw Paulus at the Marriot beach, forcing him to fess up. Paulus' denials make me think that Joran did not call him prior to the *bag drop-off*. No cell records.

If Joran did not call him...what was he doing there?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on March 05, 2007, 08:30:45 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Dayhiker"


Van der Straten, after he left the Crappy Island, said the case would have been solved a long time ago but some people didn't want to cooperate. Would be interesting to know how high up this goes. Dompig said his hands were tied. Who tied them?


Rudy Croes.



And very possibly Oduber. Couldn't have a murdered American girl on the Crappy Island. Bad for tourism. They never thought the alternative could be worse. Aruba, meet Beth Twitty. You'll get to know her well over the next forty years.

 :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: igsigs on March 05, 2007, 08:34:51 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Glenda/Julia Renfro posted a "hate" email she claimed to have received from someone in the US.  The email was addressed to ATA.

That was funny. She forgot to blank that part out.

About organized propoganda, i agree. If you read the articles at GetaGrip that appear right after the boycott...AHATA openly states that they are going to fight back and *tell-all* about Natalee's family. The VF article was part of that...and that backfired. They had nothing. It's been all lies and innuendo since.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: robots on March 05, 2007, 08:45:09 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Things are slow. A post from GrannyToad about MF/Renfro caught my eye. It's a subject that has been beaten to death but the continuing self-defeating propoganda remains a curiosity to me. It is unfortunate for Aruba that these two have been chosen, or taken it upon themselves, to represent the island in this case.  IMO

"Sure they spin, Glenda/Julia worst of all with her nutty lies. They're disrespectful of others, particularly, where intellect is concerned and couldn't care less - it's their game at their sandbox. Nasty earns rewards there.

And yes they think others are stupid - with good reason. We've seen what crud they feed Arubians. In such a small backward society they may think everyone's like them. The PTBs for sure thought they could run Natalee's parents off quick with BS - it's worked before, so why not."

I honestly believe, that upon Oduber's orders, certain people were told to hit the blogs and message boards to distract and twist the truth.  Julia Renfro for sure and I assume Scubajap as well.


BET THE FARM  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on March 05, 2007, 08:48:11 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Dayhiker...the events and contradictory statements re Monday are a red flag. Two groups...two crimes would explain a lot.

Paulus twice denied he went back to the RC to meet Joran. Then remembered. It is possible a witness saw Paulus at the Marriot beach, forcing him to fess up. Paulus' denials make me think that Joran did not call him prior to the *bag drop-off*. No cell records.

If Joran did not call him...what was he doing there?


Not exactly sure what you mean by two crimes, Igsigs. Two seperate assaults, or the murder and cover-up?

Two lines of thought. First that Paulus was involved in the initial crime of rape and murder as was described by the complicity to murder. Jannsen was asked in an interview whether he was suspected in the the murder or the cover-up and she replied "both." If this were the case he could have been out and about and, as you say, been seen by a witness much earlier in the evening.

Second line is cover-up only. The timeline would indicate much later involvement, say around 4:00 am. Batting clean-up for Joran and the Kalpoes. Involving Steve Croes and others? He could have been witnessed here as well taking charge.

I think he was seen out and about or they have him on the ATM or some other video and, like the wiretaps, this has been under wraps.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Buckeye on March 05, 2007, 08:49:31 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Glenda/Julia Renfro posted a "hate" email she claimed to have received from someone in the US.  The email was addressed to ATA.

That was funny. She forgot to blank that part out.

About organized propoganda, i agree. If you read the articles at GetaGrip that appear right after the boycott...AHATA openly states that they are going to fight back and *tell-all* about Natalee's family. The VF article was part of that...and that backfired. They had nothing. It's been all lies and innuendo since.


 :smt045  :smt045


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 05, 2007, 08:49:56 PM
I posted this on September 11, 2006, right after Glenda posted it at RU:

Glenda is posting at RU some hate mail she is implying SHE received today. She is also posting the headers of those emails. In one of the emails she neglected to remove who the email was addressed to:

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/glendahatemail2.jpg)

So, does GLENDA/BONDIA/JULIA work for ATA? Guess that answers alot of questions!  

By the way, these types of emails serve absolutely no purpose. I'm sure if they are traceable, the sender will be located.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: sb on March 05, 2007, 08:50:34 PM
I don't think Joran was the one who confessed. He had NO REASON WHATSOEVER to do so, he KNEW he was safe and the fix was in. I have always thought it was one of the other 2.

The Kalpoes had no such assurance that they wouldn't be shepherded into a dungeon somewhere. Or worse. They had a lot more to lose.

And yes, I definitely thing the disinformation campaign started early on and originated at the "highest" (lol!) levels on the Island of Misfit Boys.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: sb on March 05, 2007, 08:51:54 PM
That link to the bogus e-mail isn't working, or has been removed from Photobucket.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: sb on March 05, 2007, 08:53:01 PM
Whoops, I guess it IS working... I couldn't click on it and get it to open a minute ago.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: igsigs on March 05, 2007, 08:54:05 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Not exactly sure what you mean by two crimes, Igsigs. Two seperate assaults, or the murder and cover-up?

Sorry, i was unclear on that. Cover up/ re-burial = second crime. And done by a different group than the initial crime.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 05, 2007, 08:54:37 PM
Quote from: "sb"
That link to the bogus e-mail isn't working, or has been removed from Photobucket.

Is it working now?  I fixed it.  It's just the header of the email.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: igsigs on March 05, 2007, 09:01:24 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
So, does GLENDA/BONDIA/JULIA work for ATA? Guess that answers alot of questions!  

If you remember that thread, Glenda at first posted just the body of the letter. Some *computer whiz* asked her to post the headers so they could investigate.

Renfro choked!  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 05, 2007, 09:02:03 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "klaasend"
So, does GLENDA/BONDIA/JULIA work for ATA? Guess that answers alot of questions!  

If you remember that thread, Glenda at first posted just the body of the letter. Some *computer whiz* asked her to post the headers so they could investigate.

Renfro choked!  :lol:

Yep, was pretty funny.  Glad I was there to capture when I did  :wink:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on March 05, 2007, 09:10:25 PM
Quote from: "San"

Right but he was crying because they were screaming at him and calling him all kind of names.  He wanted his mommy.  He knows better then to confess.  I am sure Paulus drilled it in him whatever you do don't confess and stick with the story.  Also, Dennis Jacobs and I believe Van der Straaten were in charge of his interrogations.  We all saw how they questioned him.  Let's not forget he threw a tantrum when they arrested his father also and there was no confession.


First he says he walked home, then he starts shifting it to the Kalpoes saying they dropped him off and drove off with Natalee, then it's Deepak that picked him up, and then it's Satish. He and evil papa are making up the story as they go along according to what they know. Otherwise the first story would have been the correct story. No reason to lie and change your story four times if you're not guilty is there?

They all agree on the beach part, which probably means none of them were there, but the pick-up is in hot dispute between the VDS and the Kalpoes. Satish asks Deepak the next morning how the girl is doing? Indicates the Kalpoes were out of the loop after they left Joran "wherever" and from that point forward it was all PVDS and cover-up, with a little help from his friends.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on March 05, 2007, 09:16:33 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Not exactly sure what you mean by two crimes, Igsigs. Two seperate assaults, or the murder and cover-up?

Sorry, i was unclear on that. Cover up/ re-burial = second crime. And done by a different group than the initial crime.


Got ya. Definitely believe there were two groups and could have even been a third. Could this be a broadening of the cover-up to higher powers? Confession on June 10, the day Oduber gets back, and then it is retracted. That statement, along with all of Joran's key statements, are missing.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 05, 2007, 09:19:44 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "San"

Right but he was crying because they were screaming at him and calling him all kind of names.  He wanted his mommy.  He knows better then to confess.  I am sure Paulus drilled it in him whatever you do don't confess and stick with the story.  Also, Dennis Jacobs and I believe Van der Straaten were in charge of his interrogations.  We all saw how they questioned him.  Let's not forget he threw a tantrum when they arrested his father also and there was no confession.


First he says he walked home, then he starts shifting it to the Kalpoes saying they dropped him off and drove off with Natalee, then it's Deepak that picked him up, and then it's Satish. He and evil papa are making up the story as they go along according to what they know. Otherwise the first story would have been the correct story. No reason to lie and change your story four times if you're not guilty is there?

They all agree on the beach part, which probably means none of them were there, but the pick-up is in hot dispute between the VDS and the Kalpoes. Satish asks Deepak the next morning how the girl is doing? Indicates the Kalpoes were out of the loop after they left Joran "wherever" and from that point forward it was all PVDS and cover-up, with a little help from his friends.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 05, 2007, 09:21:12 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "San"

Right but he was crying because they were screaming at him and calling him all kind of names.  He wanted his mommy.  He knows better then to confess.  I am sure Paulus drilled it in him whatever you do don't confess and stick with the story.  Also, Dennis Jacobs and I believe Van der Straaten were in charge of his interrogations.  We all saw how they questioned him.  Let's not forget he threw a tantrum when they arrested his father also and there was no confession.


First he says he walked home, then he starts shifting it to the Kalpoes saying they dropped him off and drove off with Natalee, then it's Deepak that picked him up, and then it's Satish. He and evil papa are making up the story as they go along according to what they know. Otherwise the first story would have been the correct story. No reason to lie and change your story four times if you're not guilty is there?

They all agree on the beach part, which probably means none of them were there, but the pick-up is in hot dispute between the VDS and the Kalpoes. Satish asks Deepak the next morning how the girl is doing? Indicates the Kalpoes were out of the loop after they left Joran "wherever" and from that point forward it was all PVDS and cover-up, with a little help from his friends.


Ans a LOT of help from Anita.

Sorry I messed up previous post  :oops:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: igsigs on March 05, 2007, 09:23:18 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Confession on June 10, the day Oduber gets back, and then it is retracted. That statement, along with all of Joran's key statements, are missing.

This has always been confusing. I thought the *confession* occurred the night of 6/9...morning of 6/10. IIRC, the confession rumours were being reported on 6/10. Yet there is a 6/10 PV by Joran that shows no indication of a confession earlier.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 05, 2007, 09:24:20 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Not exactly sure what you mean by two crimes, Igsigs. Two seperate assaults, or the murder and cover-up?

Sorry, i was unclear on that. Cover up/ re-burial = second crime. And done by a different group than the initial crime.


Got ya. Definitely believe there were two groups and could have even been a third. Could this be a broadening of the cover-up to higher powers? Confession on June 10, the day Oduber gets back, and then it is retracted. That statement, along with all of Joran's key statements, are missing.


There would have to be two separate groups involved.  Even Dompig announced this in his convoluted attempts at news releases and there is no way he would be bright enough to think outside the square for this scenario.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on March 05, 2007, 09:25:19 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"


Ans a LOT of help from Anita.

Sorry I messed up previous post  :oops:


Like relaying the changing story during the period PVDS was not allowed to visit the bad seed.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 05, 2007, 09:26:44 PM
Posted on the front page of SM:

Whitney wrote:

CNN is and HNN is carrying the crawl…Breaking News…sernior police official tells that ONE of the three confessed to killing her.

Posted Jun 10, 11:58 PM

Posted on the front page of SM:

sakuraba wrote:

BREAKING NEWS SAT JUNE 11TH 2005, 12;01AM EST A TOP ARUBA POLICE OFFICIAL SEZ 1 of the three teenagers has confessed to KILLING natalee holloway, which one of the teens was not identified, CNN REPORTS. my bet it is the little dutch boy, R.I.P. NATALEE.

Posted Jun 11, 12:03 AM


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on March 05, 2007, 09:27:53 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Confession on June 10, the day Oduber gets back, and then it is retracted. That statement, along with all of Joran's key statements, are missing.

This has always been confusing. I thought the *confession* occurred the night of 6/9...morning of 6/10. IIRC, the confession rumours were being reported on 6/10. Yet there is a 6/10 PV by Joran that shows no indication of a confession earlier.


Aren't there two PVs by the Kalpoes on the same day? Also, let's not forget PVDS was allowed to serve as Joran's editor. :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 05, 2007, 09:29:37 PM
Aruba Police: Suspect Says He Killed Girl
ORANJESTAD, Aruba - One of three young men who took an Alabama high school student to the beach during her class trip to Aruba confessed he killed her, police say.

Deputy Police Commissioner Gerold Dompig told The Associated Press that the man was leading police late Friday to the scene of the crime.

Posted Jun 11, 12:25 AM


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on March 05, 2007, 09:31:35 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Posted on the front page of SM:

Whitney wrote:

CNN is and HNN is carrying the crawl…Breaking News…sernior police official tells that ONE of the three confessed to killing her.

Posted Jun 10, 11:58 PM

Posted on the front page of SM:

sakuraba wrote:

BREAKING NEWS SAT JUNE 11TH 2005, 12;01AM EST A TOP ARUBA POLICE OFFICIAL SEZ 1 of the three teenagers has confessed to KILLING natalee holloway, which one of the teens was not identified, CNN REPORTS. my bet it is the little dutch boy, R.I.P. NATALEE.

Posted Jun 11, 12:03 AM


Jossy, who has had a continous dialogue with Jannsen and the police, attributed the confession to Joran in one of his editorials.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 05, 2007, 09:31:39 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Confession on June 10, the day Oduber gets back, and then it is retracted. That statement, along with all of Joran's key statements, are missing.

This has always been confusing. I thought the *confession* occurred the night of 6/9...morning of 6/10. IIRC, the confession rumours were being reported on 6/10. Yet there is a 6/10 PV by Joran that shows no indication of a confession earlier.

How about there is a statement by Joran on 6/10 because he doesn't know someone confessed so now they have to make the statement disappear until they get a grip on things.

Deepak confessed.  JMO.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 05, 2007, 09:32:54 PM
Posted by: Radio Top95fm Listener (an Aruban)

At the moment:

The three suspects arrested last Thursday mourning has been brought in front of Jugde Commissionar to see if their detention is legal.
If it is, they’ll be detained for another eight days.
If they don’t have valid evidence for being detained, they’ll be liberated from police custody.

We are still awaiting the news on the extention(another eight) of encarceration for the three suspects detained Thursday morning.

Local radio anounced that Natalee Holloway is in fact dead.
Out of their own conducted investigation they are confirming her death.
Seeing they are usually right. I give them the benefit of the doubt.
(this news is not official and not confirmed)

On another note:It is confirmed by the lawyer Noraima Peters, that Joran van der Sloot(primary suspect of the three suspects detained) might/has confessed something big.(what? the lawyer doesn’t know)
But with this she is confident her client, Nick (Mickey) John could be set free from costudy.
She is requesting her client, Mr.John’s liberation, today!

Posted Jun 11, 3:49 PM


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 05, 2007, 09:32:56 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"


Ans a LOT of help from Anita.

Sorry I messed up previous post  :oops:


Like relaying the changing story during the period PVDS was not allowed to visit the bad seed.


You got it!
And I would put Anita at the top of the brain tree where all the stories and cover-ups were invented.  In fact I would credit her with orchestrating the whole method of disposal.  Also she would be the leader in the campaign to derail the investigation by erroneous blog posting by the witches and their toadies  :evil:  :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 05, 2007, 09:34:33 PM
Name: Radio Top95fm Listener (an Aruban)

Natalee Holloway: Update 4:30 PM EST
While Fox News is reporting that the focus of the search seems to have turned back to the lighthouse area, another source has confirmed that Noraima Peters, lawyer for one of the security guards arrested earlier has confirmed that Joran Van der Sloot, one of the three boys also arrested has confessed to something “big” but the attorney would not elaborate.

Back to Fox, they claim that behind the scenes reports suggest one of the boys, most likely Van der Sloot is talking to authorities now and providing details as to what happened to Natalee Holloway.

Posted Jun 11, 4:41 PM


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on March 05, 2007, 09:35:18 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Aruba Police: Suspect Says He Killed Girl
ORANJESTAD, Aruba - One of three young men who took an Alabama high school student to the beach during her class trip to Aruba confessed he killed her, police say.

Deputy Police Commissioner Gerold Dompig told The Associated Press that the man was leading police late Friday to the scene of the crime.

Posted Jun 11, 12:25 AM


One might get the impression there were two factions inside ALE, one running the investigation and another running a cover-up. Who win in this situation? The ones who have the power to "tie hands."


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: igsigs on March 05, 2007, 09:35:34 PM
Thanks Klaas. So it was the night of 6/10.

Provides a little clarity because the 6/10 PVs (daytime) of J2K do not clearly indicate that they have moved off the initial lie.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: igsigs on March 05, 2007, 09:42:42 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"

Natalee Holloway: Update 4:30 PM EST
While Fox News is reporting that the focus of the search seems to have turned back to the lighthouse area...

That's interesting...with Joran now having removed the lighthouse from his story.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 05, 2007, 09:46:34 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "klaasend"

Natalee Holloway: Update 4:30 PM EST
While Fox News is reporting that the focus of the search seems to have turned back to the lighthouse area...

That's interesting...with Joran now having removed the lighthouse from his story.

I understood that there were "teams" of people sent to various areas to lure the media away from the actual crime scene or scenes.  Sort of like the blog posting to lead people astray, but in person.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: igsigs on March 05, 2007, 09:48:09 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"

I understood that there were "teams" of people sent to various areas to lure the media away from the actual crime scene or scenes.  Sort of like the blog posting to lead people astray, but in person.

lol


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 05, 2007, 09:48:20 PM
:smt006  Waving to Sleuth


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on March 05, 2007, 09:54:52 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "klaasend"

Natalee Holloway: Update 4:30 PM EST
While Fox News is reporting that the focus of the search seems to have turned back to the lighthouse area...

That's interesting...with Joran now having removed the lighthouse from his story.


And the Kalpoes still adhere to the lighthouse story. Could the crime have happened very early here? An interesting alternative to the residence. The lighthouse is near several interesting features- Arashi Beach, the rocks, the dunes (for temporary burial) and Koen's house w/boat. So the crime could have happened here or she could have been moved to this area to accomodate a disposal at sea. Arashi Beach is an ideal spot for a pick-up in a small boat. It is shallow for a couple or few hundred yards out then it drops off drastically to deep water.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: robots on March 05, 2007, 10:01:53 PM
JORAN confessed


BET THE FARM


he did it.... thats why he confessed

the pressure got to him


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 05, 2007, 10:06:07 PM
Klaas:

I could have sworn I read a news article that said that the F.B.I. had stated on the evening of June 9, Thursday, that there had been a confession.  I did find a transcript of an interview conducted with Natalee's uncle that said that the F.B.I. had told Beth that the suspect had confessed and that Natalee was dead.

SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY July 12


With me now is Natalee's uncle Paul Reynolds.  

Paul, thank you so much for being with us.  

I don't want to talk about this Dutch, Aruban newspaper report.  What I do want to talk about is what you and the family were told by authorities.  Did they ever tell you, did any government authorities ever tell you that there was a confession in this case regarding Natalee?  

PAUL REYNOLDS, UNCLE OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY:  I know that my sister had a meeting with the FBI June 10, Friday.  And from that meeting, she became convinced that Natalee was no longer alive.  She called her mother and told her that.  And our family was—was—began the grieving process.  

You know, we were told the report would come out the next day.  Later that night, we saw the reports that confessions had been made, that something bad had happened.  Shortly thereafter, it was retracted.  The next morning, there was a report that said Natalee was confirmed dead.  And these reports came from the deputy commissioner.  They came from the spokesperson from the Ministry of Justice.

And then, all of a sudden, these statements and these confessions just disappeared.  

SCARBOROUGH:  And wait a second.  I mean, these confessions were so rock solid that you actually had the FBI coming to you, coming to your family, Natalee's family, saying, we are sorry to tell you this, but there has been a confession.  One of these boys has confessed, and Natalee is no longer alive.  

How do you pull something like that back off the table?  Have you had or has your sister had or has anybody in the family had any explanation from Aruban officials whatever happened to this confession, where they buried it?  

REYNOLDS:  I am not aware of any follow-up information.  You know, this seemed to disappear from sight, these confessions did.  

At the time, we thought that because the investigation is kept secret, we thought it was ongoing, and maybe they just didn't want to release it officially at that time.  But, as we see that the appeals, the hearings are showing there's no evidence, but yet we have these confessions, it doesn't make any sense.  It's as if they are being hidden or taken away.  

SCARBOROUGH:  You know, you said—talked about June the 10th.  That's when you all were told that the confession had been made, and you said that the family actually started a grieving process.  What did the family do?  

REYNOLDS:  You know, grieving is—it's a difficult process.  We were all notified.  We exchanged phone calls, making sure everyone in the family was notified.  I even had to tell my children, very upsetting to them, very upsetting to all of us.  

SCARBOROUGH:  Wait, Paul.  Are you telling me, back on June the 10th, you told your children, based on the confession of one of these—these punks that took Natalee away from the bar, that Natalee was dead?  This was over a month ago.  You had to break it to your family, the entire family, Natalee's entire family, because of the confessions, knew that she was dead, and yet here we are over a month later, and they are still claiming they don't have enough evidence to nail these guys?  

REYNOLDS:  That's absolutely correct.  

You know, the FBI had informed my sister based on the initial interrogations that that was their belief.  That information was given to our family.  And it's just—it's a very difficult thing to go through.  Grieving should only be a process you have to go through one time.  

SCARBOROUGH:  And, you know, Paul, despite that, a lot of legal experts that I have been talking to over the past 24, 48 hours are saying they believe it is possible that van der Sloot may walk.  

When—when this top-secret process—and, of course, now maybe we understand why the process is so top-secret, because there's obviously so much favoritism down in Aruba, that they want to be able to bury confessions, if they need to do that.  They want to be able to play favorites.  You have got a police chief report, from all reports, from what we understand, very, very close.

Government officials have told me, as well as you, that this police chief is best friends with the van der Sloots.  I mean, and yet, we are hearing on Thursday—there's the police chief right there.  We are hearing on Thursday by a lot of people that van der Sloot may walk because of the top-secret hearing that was held today.  

Is there anything you all can do about it if they decide to let him go?  

REYNOLDS:  Well, we feel there are numerous problems with the investigation that question his credibility, you know, the—not taking the suspects into custody, the disappearing confessions, refusal to use the assistance of the FBI, not working with EquuSearch, keeping them from the van der Sloot property.  

There are so many questions.  We feel that the authorities need to bring in an outside investigation to make sure and bring back credibility to this investigation, this process, and let us know what happened.  

SCARBOROUGH:  All right.  Thank you so much, Paul.  We are going to stay with you, obviously, over the next few days, see what happens.  And I will tell you what.  You are exactly right.  We need answers.  There's a miscarriage of justice that's going on in Aruba right now.  The investigation has been a sham from day one.  We could list 1,000 things that they did wrong.

But the main thing is, it smacks of favoritism.  I told you that the first week.  I am still sticking with it.  Favoritism in Aruba is basically protecting Natalee—whoever abducted Natalee and, unfortunately, what we are hearing from the family, possibly murdered Natalee.  

We are going to be talking more about the Holloway case right after a short break.

I'm also going to be bringing you my recent interview with the mother of the prime suspect, Joran van der Sloot.  

And then, with the new “Harry Potter” book coming out in just days, a movement out there to ban it.  What don't they want your kids to read?  We will talk to you about that later.  

Plus, the White House press corps is out for blood and it's all about Karl Rove.  Could he end up getting kicked out of the West Wing?  And does he deserve it?  We will talk about that when SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY returns.  

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 05, 2007, 10:08:41 PM
Quote from: "robots"
JORAN confessed


BET THE FARM


he did it.... thats why he confessed

the pressure got to him

I'll still go with Deepak.  I know everything points to fathead.  :smt066


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 05, 2007, 10:13:42 PM
Patti - thanks!  I'm fairly certain the "confession" was very late 6/10 and not 6/9.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 05, 2007, 10:24:48 PM
The thing is:

The F.B.I. would not have lied... not about that!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 05, 2007, 10:25:13 PM
Quote from: "Patti"
The thing is:

The F.B.I. would not have lied... not about that!

I agree


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Sam on March 05, 2007, 10:29:31 PM
Hi Monkeys,

I was reading the first statement we have from Joran. A couple of things stood out to me in it. The main one was I believe he was getting a real kick out of describing to his intterorgaters(Sp) his sexual exploits with Natalee. Probably made him feel like a  big shot.

Also testing out my Saint Patricks Avatar from CBB. Thanks againCBB.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 05, 2007, 10:33:30 PM
Quote from: "Sam"
Hi Monkeys,

I was reading the first statement we have from Joran. A couple of things stood out to me in it. The main one was I believe he was getting a real kick out of describing to his intterorgaters(Sp) his sexual exploits with Natalee. Probably made him feel like a  big shot.

Also testing out my Saint Patricks Avatar from CBB. Thanks againCBB.


Hi Sam,
You look sweet swinging in the shamrocks.

Joran got a kick out of it and Anita got a kick out of describing Natalee's underwear and other personal details to Beth and Greta  :evil:  :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Sam on March 05, 2007, 10:37:57 PM
Thanks Tibro,

Joran described her underwear as well as the fact that she was shaved or waxed. Yes he  told his Mama about that and she told him to be sure and tell the investigators.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 05, 2007, 10:46:50 PM
We have another talking cat on the board named Karo
Looking forward to Karo and Cat's conversations. :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Sam on March 05, 2007, 10:47:48 PM
Looks like Everyone left so I will too.

 Sleep tight Monkeys.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 05, 2007, 10:51:45 PM
Quote from: "Sam"
Thanks Tibro,

Joran described her underwear as well as the fact that she was shaved or waxed. Yes he  told his Mama about that and she told him to be sure and tell the investigators.


Hardly a subject you would expect a young man to tell his mother!  And when she repeated the details in a meeting with Beth and Greta was when I started to think she was not very ladylike.  There was no point in going into the details unless it was to make Natalee look cheap but to my way of thinking it only served to make Anita and her perverted son look bad.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Cat on March 05, 2007, 10:52:50 PM
Karo,meow,watch out for robots and BT's.watch out for monkeys that shave us and paint.Look for nice monkeys that scracth us and feed us,roowl.I will be over later to sing for you,rowl,meow.Joran did it I can smell it and he had lots of help.Thank you CBB and klass purrrrr,cat


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 05, 2007, 10:53:26 PM
What? Everyone left just as I was getting here?  How rude!  No one wants to dance with me...

BTW I have to log in each time too.  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 05, 2007, 10:55:17 PM
Who's Karo?  Another newbie?  We need a liaison for these new guys.  So much to learn...so little time.  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 05, 2007, 10:55:53 PM
Hi Lala's  How is the little girl?
I had that problem yesterday - kept getting thrown out but all OK today


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Cat on March 05, 2007, 10:56:11 PM
The underwear sounded very nice and exspesive,and the other is a subject I have very limited knowledge of,nor desire.I have watched Sex and the City.I think it was an attempt to denigrate NAH,but NO ONE DEserves to be raped and killed.No matter what they are likee.cat


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 05, 2007, 10:59:08 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Hi Lala's  How is the little girl?
I had that problem yesterday - kept getting thrown out but all OK today


No improvements as of yet.  Just waiting. Thanks for asking.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 05, 2007, 11:03:56 PM
Klaas:

You also need to read this article:

http:www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159252,00.html

It says that the Minister of Justice told their news correspondent that Natalee was confirmed dead and that officials were recovering her body.

Now, they are trying to say that it was all a joke or what?

We know the F.B.I. wouldn't lie... and I don't think the Minister of Justice was lying either.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 05, 2007, 11:04:45 PM
Quote from: "Cat"
The underwear sounded very nice and exspesive,and the other is a subject I have very limited knowledge of,nor desire.I have watched Sex and the City.I think it was an attempt to denigrate NAH,but NO ONE DEserves to be raped and killed.No matter what they are likee.cat


You are so right, Cat.  Even if a woman runs down the street without any clothes on and is off her face is no reason to be treated like that. Just goes back to their upbringing and whether they have been taught any respect for women.  Obviously not in this case and that goes back to Anita.  She is his mother and had the most influence on him when he was a child which is the important years. I am having a pick on Anita day today as every time I think of her and how she could have made all the difference to solving this case I get really angry.  :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 05, 2007, 11:05:55 PM
Quote from: "Patti"
Klaas:

You also need to read this article:

http:www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159252,00.html

It says that the Minister of Justice told their news correspondent that Natalee was confirmed dead and that officials were recovering her body.

Now, they are trying to say that it was all a joke or what?

We know the F.B.I. wouldn't lie... and I don't think the Minister of Justice was lying either.

Yes Patti - I've read all of them.  Was posting on the front page of SM when all the reports first came out.  It was reported then it was retracted.  I've never seen anything like it.  IMO, there was a confession but they decided they had to cover it up.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 05, 2007, 11:08:44 PM
Hey LaLa's Mom!

I got your e-mail.  I was just looking into something that had to do with the confession that was reported and then withdrew.... with thoughts of Shango going through my head.

I don't know who he is... I don't know where he is... but I like him!

We (him and I) think alike.

Hope I haven't been making any headlines in that book of yours!

I've been being good... I think.   8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 05, 2007, 11:11:08 PM
Klaas:

I know!  But there's so much PROOF of the cover-up that it would be impossible for the DUTCH to deny it, wouldn't it?

Maybe the family should file a law suit against the authorities in Aruba... put a little fire under them.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 05, 2007, 11:17:29 PM
Quote from: "Patti"
Klaas:

I know!  But there's so much PROOF of the cover-up that it would be impossible for the DUTCH to deny it, wouldn't it?

Maybe the family should file a law suit against the authorities in Aruba... put a little fire under them.


You would think!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 05, 2007, 11:19:51 PM
Quote from: "Patti"
Klaas:

I know!  But there's so much PROOF of the cover-up that it would be impossible for the DUTCH to deny it, wouldn't it?

Maybe the family should file a law suit against the authorities in Aruba... put a little fire under them.


The Dutch has done a good job for the past 18 months at denying everything that is patently obvious to anyone else with half a brain.
Remember : There are none so blind as those that do not want to see.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 05, 2007, 11:20:26 PM
Cat:

Lots of women wax while they're on vacation.  Only a degenerate like Joran or a pervert like his mother would try to make something nasty out of it.  Besides, I don't even know if I believe anything that Joran said about Natalee.   He's a lying putz!  Plus... he's psycho!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 05, 2007, 11:30:29 PM
Hi Patti


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 05, 2007, 11:35:34 PM
Quote from: "Patti"
Cat:

Lots of women wax while they're on vacation.  Only a degenerate like Joran or a pervert like his mother would try to make something nasty out of it.  Besides, I don't even know if I believe anything that Joran said about Natalee.   He's a lying putz!  Plus... he's psycho!


My concern would be that my son was close enough to Natalee that he could relate those kinds of details.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 05, 2007, 11:35:39 PM
It's just like this guy that killed his wife:  He tried to discredit her... make her look bad to the public.  He said that his wife might have been having an affair but he was the one that was looking up one of his old girlfriends.

So typical....

That's why I don't believe anything that any of them say about anything.

.

Klaas:

Do we have copies of eyewitness reports?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 05, 2007, 11:42:58 PM
Quote from: "Patti"
It's just like this guy that killed his wife:  He tried to discredit her... make her look bad to the public.  He said that his wife might have been having an affair but he was the one that was looking up one of his old girlfriends.

So typical....

That's why I don't believe anything that any of them say about anything.

.

Klaas:

Do we have copies of eyewitness reports?
Hi Monkeys!! The old "Blame the victim" mentality. It just adds insult to injury.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 05, 2007, 11:43:46 PM
Quote from: "Patti"
It's just like this guy that killed his wife:  He tried to discredit her... make her look bad to the public.  He said that his wife might have been having an affair but he was the one that was looking up one of his old girlfriends.

So typical....

That's why I don't believe anything that any of them say about anything.

.

Klaas:

Do we have copies of eyewitness reports?

Eyewitness reports of what?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 05, 2007, 11:44:47 PM
Hey Elaine!

Do you know if we have access to any eye-witness reports?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 05, 2007, 11:46:50 PM
Quote from: "Patti"
Hey Elaine!

Do you know if we have access to any eye-witness reports?
Klaas would be the one to know that. If anything exists she has access to it! :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 05, 2007, 11:48:49 PM
Patti, do you mean reports to the "confession"?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 05, 2007, 11:53:01 PM
Well, I'm still sorta stuck on the Holiday Inn.  I have been for a long time.  I think that something happened there.  And, now, with these witnesses saying that Paulus told them that he picked up Natalee and Joran at McDonalds and dropped them off at the Holiday Inn, I was just wondering if maybe some of the reports that I've heard about might actually be true.

What did the people at the Holiday Inn say about the things that happened there that night, or early morning?

Was there a woman screaming in the parking lot?

Was there a report of a prowler?

Were there certain doors, specifically, to the Casino closed and locked that night?

You know, stuff like that.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: dkpen on March 05, 2007, 11:55:27 PM
I bought flipped with I saw this picture in Amigo.com.  Tell me those
t-shirts are not who I think they are on them? (sic) Deepak and Joran?!?!?  :shock:


Aruba
Reconstructie ongeluk
ORANJESTAD — De oproep van de politie aan getuigen van het ongeluk bij Seroe Tijsji om zich te melden, heeft nog geen resultaat opgeleverd. Er hebben zich nog geen nieuwe getuigen gemeld die licht kunnen werpen op het weggedrag van de rode Ford Mustang, kenteken A-6387, of van medeweggebruikers.
5 Maart, 2007, 17:10 (GMT -04:00)
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b341/dkpen/DeepakJoranT-shirts.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: dkpen on March 05, 2007, 11:57:04 PM
Guess they are pictures of the two boys who are in the coffins but dayum they look just like Deepak(left) and Joran(right). Tell me they don't!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 05, 2007, 11:57:13 PM
Quote from: "Patti"
Well, I'm still sorta stuck on the Holiday Inn.  I have been for a long time.  I think that something happened there.  And, now, with these witnesses saying that Paulus told them that he picked up Natalee and Joran at McDonalds and dropped them off at the Holiday Inn, I was just wondering if maybe some of the reports that I've heard about might actually be true.

What did the people at the Holiday Inn say about the things that happened there that night, or early morning?

Was there a woman screaming in the parking lot?

Was there a report of a prowler?

Were there certain doors, specifically, to the Casino closed and locked that night?

You know, stuff like that.

I'm not sure any of that is true or if it's all rumor.  As far as witnesses saying PVDS picked up Natalee and Joran, I'm not sure what time they are referring to.  From the most recent court hearing in Aruba, when PVDS lost his damage case, the interrest information was actual WIRE TAPS of PVDS saying he picked up Natalee and Joran NEAR McDonalds.  Again, I don't think we know what time or if it's even true.  PVDS may have been lying on the phone for all we know.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 05, 2007, 11:58:34 PM
Quote from: "dkpen"
Guess they are pictures of the two boys who are in the coffins but dayum they look just like Deepak(left) and Joran(right). Tell me they don't!

The two boys actually don't look at all like Deepak and Joran.  It's really a very sad and tragic accident.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: dkpen on March 05, 2007, 11:59:49 PM
Quote from: "Patti"
Well, I'm still sorta stuck on the Holiday Inn.  I have been for a long time.  I think that something happened there.  And, now, with these witnesses saying that Paulus told them that he picked up Natalee and Joran at McDonalds and dropped them off at the Holiday Inn, I was just wondering if maybe some of the reports that I've heard about might actually be true.

What did the people at the Holiday Inn say about the things that happened there that night, or early morning?

Was there a woman screaming in the parking lot?

Was there a report of a prowler?

Were there certain doors, specifically, to the Casino closed and locked that night?

You know, stuff like that.



Patti,

That's something I don't think we will ever know unless ALE give us that information in writting. We've seen it in writting from the Judges Surpreme Courts, so I will take their word over any Sloot or ALE any day of the week. I guess some things we will have to just sit tight on and hope more info comes out on it.   :?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 06, 2007, 12:01:35 AM
Okay, Klaas, Thanks.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 06, 2007, 12:01:58 AM
Quote from: "Patti"
Well, I'm still sorta stuck on the Holiday Inn.  I have been for a long time.  I think that something happened there.  And, now, with these witnesses saying that Paulus told them that he picked up Natalee and Joran at McDonalds and dropped them off at the Holiday Inn, I was just wondering if maybe some of the reports that I've heard about might actually be true.

What did the people at the Holiday Inn say about the things that happened there that night, or early morning?

Was there a woman screaming in the parking lot?

Was there a report of a prowler?

Were there certain doors, specifically, to the Casino closed and locked that night?

You know, stuff like that.
I know that the security cameras at the holiday inn never showed Natalee returning back to her room at all the night she went missing.....There was a rumor that a woman heard screams, do not know if that was confirmed at all.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: dkpen on March 06, 2007, 12:02:35 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "dkpen"
Guess they are pictures of the two boys who are in the coffins but dayum they look just like Deepak(left) and Joran(right). Tell me they don't!

The two boys actually don't look at all like Deepak and Joran.  It's really a very sad and tragic accident.



I know Klaas, but they look like Deepak and Joran to me on the t-shirts. I about fell out of my chair when I first saw the t-shirts.  Yes, after I took a closer look and saw the coffins I knew it had to be the two boys pictures. But it still looks like Deepak and Joran to me.  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 06, 2007, 12:05:02 AM
Quote from: "dkpen"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "dkpen"
Guess they are pictures of the two boys who are in the coffins but dayum they look just like Deepak(left) and Joran(right). Tell me they don't!

The two boys actually don't look at all like Deepak and Joran.  It's really a very sad and tragic accident.



I know Klaas, but they look like Deepak and Joran to me on the t-shirts. I about fell out of my chair when I first saw the t-shirts.  Yes, after I took a closer look and saw the coffins I knew it had to be the two boys pictures. But it still looks like Deepak and Joran to me.  :shock:

The only reason I say that is I saw their actual photos in their obituary in Diario.

Edited to add:  They were both better looking than Deepak and Joran, IMO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 06, 2007, 12:05:13 AM
Dark Pen!

I'm Patti.

I can be a pest sometimes, but I mean well.

I've enjoyed your posts on the front page and wanted to say Hi.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 06, 2007, 12:05:25 AM
Does anyone remember how we came about the 4 AM time slot?  Was it in the last decision by the judge to deny Paulus the money?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 06, 2007, 12:06:28 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Does anyone remember how we came about the 4 AM time slot?  Was it in the last decision by the judge to deny Paulus the money?

I believe 4AM was mentioned in the Diario article, but I could be wrong.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: dkpen on March 06, 2007, 12:07:01 AM
O/T
I'm still having to log back in with each post reply. I saw earlier that someone else is having the same issue as well and one other the day before. Memere yesterday? Glad it's not something with my pc and it's forum related. Or maybe cookie related with Internet Explorer?  Not sure at this time but hopfully Tom figures it out.
More of a pain than anything having to relog in with every post.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 06, 2007, 12:08:47 AM
DK
I too am having to log in each time.  Didn't have to do that yesterday or even this morning. Another glitch in the new cage.  Maybe I need to write that down...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: dkpen on March 06, 2007, 12:09:33 AM
Quote from: "Patti"
Dark Pen!

I'm Patti.

I can be a pest sometimes, but I mean well.

I've enjoyed your posts on the front page and wanted to say Hi.



Hi Patti,

Nice to meet you too.  I've enjoyed your post on the Front Page. You catch my attention every time you post out there. hehehe Sometimes you really stick it to em with the truth. Love it!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: dkpen on March 06, 2007, 12:11:00 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
DK
I too am having to log in each time.  Didn't have to do that yesterday or even this morning. Another glitch in the new cage.  Maybe I need to write that down...



hmmmm do you use Internet Explorer too?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 06, 2007, 12:13:10 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
DK
I too am having to log in each time.  Didn't have to do that yesterday or even this morning. Another glitch in the new cage.  Maybe I need to write that down...
Are you coming into the forum with a bookmark from the old forum?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 06, 2007, 12:13:44 AM
The Truth is...

It's a bad habit of mine.

Thanks for the compliment.

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: dkpen on March 06, 2007, 12:14:54 AM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
DK
I too am having to log in each time.  Didn't have to do that yesterday or even this morning. Another glitch in the new cage.  Maybe I need to write that down...
Are you coming into the forum with a bookmark from the old forum?


No, I deleted all the histories I had stored or bookmarks for Scared Monkeys.  Now I am typing it in Yahoo search and clicking on the link to get to the FP and then enter the Forums.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: dkpen on March 06, 2007, 12:16:06 AM
Quote from: "Patti"
The Truth is...

It's a bad habit of mine.

Thanks for the compliment.

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:



lol You're most welcome!   :thumleft:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 06, 2007, 12:16:07 AM
Please be sure to email Tom and let him know it's still happening:

tom@scaredmonkeys.com


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: IBE on March 06, 2007, 12:18:08 AM
Monkey, keep up the good work! And posting to see if I have the problems others are having.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: IBE on March 06, 2007, 12:19:37 AM
Hi :lol: Just testing. By the way, where are you finding all the extra icons?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: IBE on March 06, 2007, 12:21:38 AM
Sorry, am posting without glasses.. should read "monkeys" not monkey!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: dkpen on March 06, 2007, 12:22:15 AM
Tom is aware of it Klaas. He and I been keeping intouch during most of the day trying to figure it out.

Looks like Diario has a victim of violence on the front page.

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/3/5/


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 06, 2007, 12:23:06 AM
Quote from: "IBE"
Sorry, am posting without glasses.. should read "monkeys" not monkey!

IBE - when you post and see the emoticons, there is a link just below them that says "view more Emoticons"..that's where they are.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: dkpen on March 06, 2007, 12:24:01 AM
Getting a little late for me. Going to bid G'night to everyone and head off for bed. <hugs>

God bless~


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: IBE on March 06, 2007, 12:26:39 AM
:salut: Thanks Klaas! Really neat!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 06, 2007, 12:29:30 AM
Quote from: "dkpen"
Getting a little late for me. Going to bid G'night to everyone and head off for bed. <hugs>

God bless~

Nite DKpen!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 06, 2007, 12:30:50 AM
Quote from: "IBE"
:salut: Thanks Klaas! Really neat!


This is Robots favorite, lol  :lol:

 :smt032


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 06, 2007, 12:34:46 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "IBE"
Sorry, am posting without glasses.. should read "monkeys" not monkey!

IBE - when you post and see the emoticons, there is a link just below them that says "view more Emoticons"..that's where they are.
I did not know where to find em either, so I am glad IBE asked!..  :farao:  hehe


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 06, 2007, 12:35:20 AM
Nope. I use firefox and well maybe I do use an old bookmark.  Is that the same as a shortcut on my desktop?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 06, 2007, 12:37:44 AM
:drunken:  :smt027  :smt028


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 06, 2007, 12:39:42 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Nope. I use firefox and well maybe I do use an old bookmark.  Is that the same as a shortcut on my desktop?
If that shortcut went to the forum's old settings, it could be. I know I had to get rid of my old bookmark.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 06, 2007, 12:46:42 AM
Monkeys, I am drifting off, so I must say Goodnight. I will play with a few more new smilies with this last post. LOL  :dj:    :smt046   :smt107


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 06, 2007, 12:47:56 AM
Nite Elaine!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 06, 2007, 12:50:19 AM
Thanks for the tip, Elaine.  I had problems yesterday and cleaned out everything in Firefox but did not think to change the bookmark in "Favourites".  So far, so good today but if I have any more problems I will re-bookmark the site.  I do not have a shortcut on my desktop - I just select Firefox on the start menu and click on SM on the drop down bookmark list.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 06, 2007, 12:54:30 AM
Well it's time for me to hug Nemo and try to clean up my computer.   See you guys later.  

Tibro
I used the word "shonky" today.  No one knew what I was talking about.   Loved it!  Told them I learned it from an Australian Monkey.  I think they are looking into therapy for me.  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 06, 2007, 12:55:59 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Well it's time for me to hug Nemo and try to clean up my computer.   See you guys later.  

Tibro
I used the word "shonky" today.  No one knew what I was talking about.   Loved it!  Told them I learned it from an Australian Monkey.  I think they are looking into therapy for me.  :lol:  :lol:

Nite Lala's


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 06, 2007, 12:56:50 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Well it's time for me to hug Nemo and try to clean up my computer.   See you guys later.  

Tibro
I used the word "shonky" today.  No one knew what I was talking about.   Loved it!  Told them I learned it from an Australian Monkey.  I think they are looking into therapy for me.  :lol:  :lol:


Lala's  I will have some more for you soon  :lol:  :lol:
Prayers for your little friend and her family.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 06, 2007, 01:07:53 AM
Looks like all the monkeys are :  :smt015
 I don't see a sweeping or mopping smiley ?
BBL - have a good evening Klaas  - or at least what is left of it over there. :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 06, 2007, 01:23:33 AM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Looks like all the monkeys are :  :smt015
 I don't see a sweeping or mopping smiley ?
BBL - have a good evening Klaas  - or at least what is left of it over there. :lol:

See you later Tibro!  I'm going to call it a night soon myself!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: LilPuma on March 06, 2007, 01:24:54 AM
Here you go, Tibro.  I had to clean up the kitty litter.  

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k304/LilPuma04/broom.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 06, 2007, 01:34:15 AM
Thanks LilPuma - I can put that to good use  :lol:
Did you catch the item I posted about Dalai Lama and Irwin Zoo in Aussie thread?  I would love to be able to attend.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: sirensong on March 06, 2007, 01:42:12 AM
Hey everybody! Just wanted to throw a few things out there and see what you all think.  I was reading Shango's posts, (and I think he knew alot about what was going on)and it got me to thinking about other possibilities.

I wonder if  "the house of Rave" could be someones initials. I did see a guy who has the initials AR that is important to Aruba and involved in alot of things.

Shango mentions that "the lions don't have to leave the den" which makes me think they watch on closed circuit TV or cameras.  It makes me think that is why the cameras were not working outside of the Holiday Inn.  I think they are purposely turned off so no one can see who going  in.  Remember  the room that was "refurbished".  Maybe that is why the guy that owned the security company left so quickly.  

I think Shango was trying to say that Natalee was taken from Joran by "the lions", and if that is the case, that could be why Joran was protected by the police force.  Joran went straight to his dad because he didn't know how to "fix" it without either getting arrested for kidnap/murder, or executed for telling what he knows by his buyers. They knew he wasn't guilty and Paulus was having a fit that Joran would be in danger.  So he calls on Vander Stratten to please don't allow this to happen.  They are turning thier heads to what really happened to Natalee from fear of the people they think are really involved.

Started thinking that maybe this is why K2 asked "how is the girl?", knowing she was drugged and given to someone, but not knowing she was murdered.  JK2 just acted as "pimps" and got paid to bring a girl.  And that is where they get their money, from drugging and pimping out unsuspecting girls (20 times)

Anyway, last night I had so many ideas going around in my head, that I started to think that Natalee could possibly still be alive, maybe she was trafficked.  Never thought that was possible before.   Just my own personal musings and figurings.  Maybe I shouldn't tango.   :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 06, 2007, 01:43:11 AM
:smt026

Well, I'm gonna hop in bed, too.

Good Nite, Klaas


Title: Cover up murder Visiblity team cameras in hotel rooms
Post by: IBE on March 06, 2007, 04:17:44 AM
Hi Sirensong Very early it was mentioned that one of the pimps' fathers was in the business of providing camera and other security devices, checking up on rooms in major hotels.

I don't know if this is the same father who ran the Visibility Team on the beach, around the hotels (and in them?) Put there was a pimp suspect related to that dad and was on the team for a while, underage.

I'd like Klaas to tell us the name of the pimps who's dad has the Visibility team and the name of the pimp who had the contract for the security cameras in the hotels. Was the pimp who was the deal at the casino and ran so fast to Holland, the son of the man running the camera or the son of the Visibility team.

It was said that a very famous star picture was taken naked, no known by her, and flashed all around by the pimps. This would have to come form cameras in the vents et al. This MO would go along with the fact to make it easier to film; lock into the cable there with a computer to record on disk or as streaming video somewhere on the internet.. plus with cell phones.

All these hotels had wifi built in and if the father of one ran the camera;he'd also know about the ins/outs of wifi; the son would know all the ins and out and then you have Depak the computer expert, Freddy the filmer, ?Joran the stud or producer, maybe the father the "producer/caster who gets to pick the girl and the boys pimp her for him.

Who know who might be in those rooms at the time..... elders? government officials? and we recipient to those? It could even be cabled to another room (maybe cable isn't what I want... I mean transmitted somehow in some media)

There had to be some reason Joran and Paulus had all that power with the monies/freedoms at the casinos.

Either that, or there might be a truism in the rumor there was a elder there at the Sloot home that night (a judge staying over?) or elders there for a poker party... so could be elders of the judiciary, police and govenment... a real reason for coverup if a American young tourist girl had just died a vew feet away in Joran's appartment from drugs being put into her drink on last night there... that they were also used to happening on the ie: girls drugged on their last night, rape, left on the beach, but this time "something went wrong"... hence panic, a coverup that used cronies, friends, favors, and some who didn't even know the whole story but helped and later came dead.

Elaine.. time for the peach drink???


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 06, 2007, 06:53:14 AM
Sure enough IBE! Here, let's toast to justice in this case!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: robots on March 06, 2007, 07:33:18 AM
i will DEBUNK the k2 statement for you all if someone can point me to it
when he asks how is the girl ?

where was the statement sid
when was it said

lets BLAST these PIGS  8)


 8)


Title: Good Morning all
Post by: Leslie on March 06, 2007, 08:08:51 AM
Diario
http://www.diarioaruba.com/
Amigoe
http://www.amigoe.com/english/
BonDia
http://www.cspnv.com/
Solo di Pueblo
http://www.solodipueblo.com/
Aruba Today
http://www.arubatoday.com/
Translator:
http://papiamentu.donamaro.nl


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Hotshot on March 06, 2007, 08:21:50 AM
Translation please
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a118/kath8700/murder.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 06, 2007, 08:23:13 AM
Quote from: "robots"
i will DEBUNK the k2 statement for you all if someone can point me to it
when he asks how is the girl ?

where was the statement sid
when was it said

lets BLAST these PIGS  8)


 8)

Here is the statement Robots.

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?p=53369#53369


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 06, 2007, 08:26:47 AM
In reading one of Satish's statements he must have said missing girl and American girl about 30 times.

I guess he doesn't want to call Natalee by her Name.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Frijole on March 06, 2007, 08:28:50 AM
Quote from: "Hotshot"
Translation please
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a118/kath8700/murder.jpg)


I'm hardly fluent in pap but it looks like a male named Joe was found dead in a house... sorry that's all I could gleam.   :geek:

Off to work!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: robots on March 06, 2007, 08:30:01 AM
Thank you !  :D

My mother was then going to wake me up at 10.30 a.m. She though overslept and did not wake me up. I woke up around 12.00 noon. My brother woke up around 1 p.m. I asked him how Joran did get home during the night. He told me Joran had called him while walking in the direction to his home. He told me Joran told him he walked bare feet because he left the shoes at the beach. Then I asked my brother how the girl was doing. He told me Joran told him he left the girl behind at the beach.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: robots on March 06, 2007, 08:31:46 AM
That day Joran did not tell my brother exactly when had happened on the beach. Specification about that I got on Wednesday. On May 30, 2005, during the afternoon, my brother and I did not further talk about :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: robots on March 06, 2007, 08:32:34 AM
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh  PAULUS ????


why you lie to POLICE


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 06, 2007, 08:33:50 AM
Quote from: "Frijole"
Quote from: "Hotshot"
Translation please


I'm hardly fluent in pap but it looks like a male named Joe was found dead in a house... sorry that's all I could gleam.   :geek:

Off to work!

Is that all the Aruban police know how to do is stand there looking stupid.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Peaches on March 06, 2007, 08:38:26 AM
Good morning.

Yes, San.  That's how you can tell they are government employees.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: msmarple on March 06, 2007, 08:42:08 AM
In the story above - 64-yr-old man, I think an employee of Valero, died in his home, apparently of natural cause.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Buckeye on March 06, 2007, 08:53:06 AM
San

You might be right about Deepak.  Maybe Joran looked that way because "the story" was falling apart.
From Deepak's June 10, 1345 statement:

(Comment reporting officer: the suspect was given a moment to think after I, BURKE, had had a conversation with the suspect "off the record" regarding his age and that he should think of his family and also about his future. After a few minutes the interview was continued. The suspect was asked if he had thought about it, to this he answered that he had been thinking and that he wanted to talk to his attorney first and after that make a more detailed statement. The suspect was prepared to continue with this interview/interrogation.......

(Comment reporting officer: the suspect was informed to take a minute to really think, he requested 2 minutes to have a conversation with his attorney, after which he would make a detailed statement. His request was granted.

(comment reporting officer: after the suspect spoke with his attorney, he stated that he would make a detailed statement tomorrow and that he would read through this statement but that he would not sign it.)


Maybe his statement came out that night and Joran was confronted with it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 06, 2007, 09:01:49 AM
Quote from: "Peaches"
Good morning.

Yes, San.  That's how you can tell they are government employees.

 :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 06, 2007, 09:04:22 AM
Quote from: "msmarple"
In the story above - 64-yr-old man, I think an employee of Valero, died in his home, apparently of natural cause.

Suicide and Hanging are natural causes in Aruba too.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 06, 2007, 09:06:09 AM
Why is it that there are so many news reporters coming up missing or dead from suicides/murders over that past year and a half?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 06, 2007, 09:10:46 AM
I couldn't sleep lastnight from worrying about this stuff.  In fact, with all the death and cover-up that I've been looking at, I am beginning to get a little paranoid.

Do you guys have any idea of the type of people that are involved in this disappearance?  How rich and powerful they are?  The types of dirty activities that their into?

I think I know who dirty hand is...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 06, 2007, 09:12:08 AM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
San

You might be right about Deepak.  Maybe Joran looked that way because "the story" was falling apart.
From Deepak's June 10, 1345 statement:

(Comment reporting officer: the suspect was given a moment to think after I, BURKE, had had a conversation with the suspect "off the record" regarding his age and that he should think of his family and also about his future. After a few minutes the interview was continued. The suspect was asked if he had thought about it, to this he answered that he had been thinking and that he wanted to talk to his attorney first and after that make a more detailed statement. The suspect was prepared to continue with this interview/interrogation.......

(Comment reporting officer: the suspect was informed to take a minute to really think, he requested 2 minutes to have a conversation with his attorney, after which he would make a detailed statement. His request was granted.

(comment reporting officer: after the suspect spoke with his attorney, he stated that he would make a detailed statement tomorrow and that he would read through this statement but that he would not sign it.)


Maybe his statement came out that night and Joran was confronted with it.

Very good Buckeye and I agree.

Let's remember we are talking about Joran and he doesn't care about anyone but himself.  Once he sees that things aren't going his way he starts crying.   He was crying because Deepak ratted him out in order to save himself and his brother.  The only way this would have happened is if Deepak told the truth. Like Deepak said in another statement "Freddy needs to tell the truth".  Deepak told the truth and also ratted on Freddy.  This is why no one talks to Deepak.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 06, 2007, 09:13:31 AM
Quote from: "Patti"
Why is it that there are so many news reporters coming up missing or dead from suicides/murders over that past year and a half?

Because the found out information that someone doesn't want them to know about.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 06, 2007, 09:14:55 AM
Quote from: "Patti"
I couldn't sleep lastnight from worrying about this stuff.  In fact, with all the death and cover-up that I've been looking at, I am beginning to get a little paranoid.

Do you guys have any idea of the type of people that are involved in this disappearance?  How rich and powerful they are?  The types of dirty activities that their into?

I think I know who dirty hand is...

Who :?:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 06, 2007, 09:19:06 AM
I see Widget out there and just wanted to say hello and hope all is well.  I have to run for a few minutes. :smt068


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on March 06, 2007, 09:19:20 AM
Good Morning Monkeys!   Working and Lurking as usual....  Lots of good thoughts this morning.

 :smt097  This is for the Slootbags

Gosh I love the new emoticons!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 06, 2007, 09:20:05 AM
Quote from: "Kimmy53"
Good Morning Monkeys!   Working and Lurking as usual....  Lots of good thoughts this morning.

 :smt097  This is for the Slootbags

Gosh I love the new emoticons!

Good Morning Kimmy :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 06, 2007, 09:23:43 AM
Never mind.  I'm not even going to type his name... ever.

It is so incredibly weird that he is never mentioned on this sight.

But, I do have a question; if anyone knows:

Who is Joran's half brother?  What is his name?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 06, 2007, 09:24:32 AM
I wanted to add that it is very cold here today in New York (14 degrees with the wind chill it's 0 :shock: )


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 06, 2007, 09:26:32 AM
Quote from: "Patti"
Never mind.  I'm not even going to type his name... ever.

It is so incredibly weird that he is never mentioned on this sight.

But, I do have a question; if anyone knows:

Who is Joran's half brother?  What is his name?

Give me a hint :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 06, 2007, 09:30:21 AM
Burrrr ....   THAT's cold! :smt100


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: robots on March 06, 2007, 09:32:28 AM
- 2  HERE

WIND IS HOWLING

MAKES IT MINUS -200

WELL, maybe not -200
but you know what i mean  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 06, 2007, 09:33:05 AM
Don't worry.... I just saw that emoticon and wished that I had posted it earlier.

I hate it when I can't sleep.  I should have checked to see what you were doing here... might have gotten my mind off of all that stuff.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: BTgirl on March 06, 2007, 09:39:07 AM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Patti"
Never mind.  I'm not even going to type his name... ever.

It is so incredibly weird that he is never mentioned on this sight.

But, I do have a question; if anyone knows:

Who is Joran's half brother?  What is his name?

Give me a hint :lol:


Uh oh. I think we've just been Lorenzoed.  :shock:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 06, 2007, 09:40:26 AM
San:

Maybe I'll tell you in a little while.

Right now, I just want to forget about it.

This island of Aruba, is amazing!!!!  It's a wonder that all that badness
could exist in such a small population.  How can the people of Aruba not know about what's going on?  Everybody knows everybody, or is related in one way or another.  Atleast, it seems that way in this case.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 06, 2007, 09:43:09 AM
Ohhhh B.T. !!!!!

You mean I'm not crazy?!?!?!??!?!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: BTgirl on March 06, 2007, 09:44:49 AM
Quote from: "Patti"
Ohhhh B.T. !!!!!

You mean I'm not crazy?!?!?!??!?!


LOL, Patti, you're not crazy.

We kind of stopped mentioning Lorenzo and Shango here for a while, because it seemed like whenever we did, the board went down. We starting referring to them as L______o and S____o.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 06, 2007, 09:46:02 AM
Okay.... Please tell me.

What's up with him?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on March 06, 2007, 09:48:42 AM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Kimmy53"
Good Morning Monkeys!   Working and Lurking as usual....  Lots of good thoughts this morning.

 :smt097  This is for the Slootbags

Gosh I love the new emoticons!

Good Morning Kimmy :lol:  :lol:


Good Morning San - I saw alot of shooting emoticons - and immediately thought of you and your big gun!! :lol:  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: BTgirl on March 06, 2007, 09:48:47 AM
Quote from: "Patti"
Okay.... Please tell me.

What's up with him?


Well, there are folks here who have studied him a lot more than I have. Maybe one of them could give you some info?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: msmarple on March 06, 2007, 09:49:46 AM
Snake on a Plane!

http://www.amigoe.com/english/
Quote
Boa in cargo hold Martinair

WILLEMSTAD – A 3-meter long boa constrictor was found in the cargo hold of an aircraft of Martinair yesterday afternoon.  

The snake is meanwhile taken to Parke Tropical, confirmed Stanley Ignacio.  Nobody of Curaçao Airport Partners could be reached for an explanation.  The animal must have been in one of the compartments of the cargo hold.  How it got there is a mystery, but the boa has most probably escaped in a contraband attempt.  

Since last year, Martinair is flying from Amsterdam to Curacao every Sunday.  On her way back to Amsterdam, the flight makes a stop-over in Barbados.  How long has the boa been in the cargo hold is not known, but it can’t be that long.  Since at high altitude the temperature drops way under the freezing point, animals do not survive long flights in an unheated cargo hold.  The transportation of checked in animals takes place in a heated compartment.


Now, what's interesting about this is that today's Diario has a story about a boa constrictor observation project on Aruba ...  :shock: (can't make out much about it from the Pap translator, but at least one of the Aruba snakes is preggers ... )


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 06, 2007, 09:49:53 AM
That's weird.... my emoticons don't work, anymore!

let me try again....

Nope.... Just the old ones!

Spooky   :(  :(  :(  :(  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: robots on March 06, 2007, 09:51:52 AM
Then I asked my brother how the girl was doing.



hmmm...so

the girl was Not doing well..... otherwise, why ask the question ?

sick ?
unresponsive ?

both ?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: BTgirl on March 06, 2007, 09:53:03 AM
Quote from: "Patti"
That's weird.... my emoticons don't work, anymore!

let me try again....

Nope.... Just the old ones!

Spooky   :(  :(  :(  :(  :wink:


Mine appear to still be working

:smt045  :bounce:  :flower:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 06, 2007, 09:54:38 AM
B.T.:

Is LaLa's Mom one of those people?

Her and I have exchanged e-mail addresses.  

She is probably the one that I should talk to, huh?   :idea:

That was scarey.  I thought... How could they not know of him?  I know I'm not that smart.   Clever, but not smart.   :wink:

Anyway, I'm glad you were here for me, cause I was scared that there was a BIG, BIG cover up.... if you know what I mean.

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: BTgirl on March 06, 2007, 09:59:41 AM
Quote from: "Patti"
B.T.:

Is LaLa's Mom one of those people?

Her and I have exchanged e-mail addresses.  

She is probably the one that I should talk to, huh?   :idea:

That was scarey.  I thought... How could they not know of him?  I know I'm not that smart.   Clever, but not smart.   :wink:

Anyway, I'm glad you were here for me, cause I was scared that there was a BIG, BIG cover up.... if you know what I mean.

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


LOL, Patti.

Lala's might have the info you want, I'm not sure. I suspect Klaas has a lot, cause she is a very smart person who pretty much knows everything!  :smt045


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Leslie on March 06, 2007, 09:59:59 AM
Quote from: "Patti"
Do you guys have any idea of the type of people that are involved in this disappearance? How rich and powerful they are? The types of dirty activities that their into? ...
I think I know who dirty hand is...Never mind.  I'm not even going to type his name... ever.
It is so incredibly weird that he is never mentioned on this sight.(sp)

I think we have an idea who the people are, because we have been discussing them for 19 months now, but if you have superior knowledge, please educate us.  I think I know that one of the dirty hands is Rudy Croes.  Why don't you share the name of the man you think it is and I will tell you if he has ever been discussed here?  Did you register here to talk about the case or just to write strange attention seeking posts that are vaguely insulting?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Cat on March 06, 2007, 10:00:21 AM
A lot of answers could be guessed about the Girl is doing.Also badly beaten and,etc.I have many ideas,but i think j did it.GVC is the friend in the visabilty team,whose father owned the security firm.His sister is a cop,of all things.he was arrested,briefly.  SB,drop me an email sometime,Mishy has my address.Yes,the reason MNT BRook is also called the Tiny Kingdom was not a polite reason.Some ares have been very kind,but others have very big jerks.I listened to some talk last week and I thought FOOLS,but I keep quiet.I do think there will be a trial.CAT


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 06, 2007, 10:01:02 AM
Maybe I've got the ole L_______O hex.

Oh well, I got lots of angels.  They can take care of that.

But that was scarey.   :arrow:

Nope... Not working.   :(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: scared-tom on March 06, 2007, 10:08:55 AM
Quote from: "Patti"
That's weird.... my emoticons don't work, anymore!

let me try again....

Nope.... Just the old ones!

Spooky   :(  :(  :(  :(  :wink:


Make sure you click the View more Emoticons under the original smilies to see if they work. Also, they come up in a seperate window. Look on your bottom bar and see if it is behind the main window...

 :salut:  :king:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: msmarple on March 06, 2007, 10:10:11 AM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Patti"
Okay.... Please tell me.

What's up with him?


Well, there are folks here who have studied him a lot more than I have. Maybe one of them could give you some info?


After all this time, we know as much about Lorenzo as we do about what happened to Natalee. He is the elusive mystery character of Aruba.

Among the things we've heard - who knows what is true or not:

His father was a VW dealer (I think). His father committed suicide a few years ago. Some have said Lorenzo took this very hard; some have suggested he honestly has a mental problem.

He and/or his mother apparently sold the business.

His mother's name is Astrid. What we think is her home looks reasonably nice, but it's sort of odd. (Serious security fencing etc.) Contemporary; newer-looking than some we've seen.

Lorenzo is PVDS's secret son. This has been both emphatically discounted and passionately believed.

Lorenzo owns 2 or maybe 3 houses on Aruba -
* One of his houses is one of the few on Aruba that has a basement.
* He regularly has RAVE parties, possibly in that basement.
* One of his "houses" looks more like a shack that has been the target of paint ball practice.

He drives a SUV-type thing that is extravagantly painted and appears to be a mobil sound set up - as in for parties. The only picture we have that MIGHT be him, shows a man driving this vehicle.

He is fairly young - in his 20s maybe?

He is intensely private. We really don't have a clue what he looks like.

Supposedly he was questioned by ALE shortly after NH disappeared. Supposedly he was hosting a party on the night in question and there were plenty of guests to support that as an alibi.

(I wondered if ALE questioned him thinking that NH might have turned up at the party.)

(In fact I expect the polis might question Lorenzo whenever anything unusual happens. Along the lines of "Round up the usual suspects.")

Supposedly one or two or three of his homes were searched.

There was a rumor that some of NH's clothing was found there.

ALL of the above are RUMORS, and I hope I haven't mis-remembered the gist of them.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on March 06, 2007, 10:12:15 AM
Quote from: "sirensong"


Started thinking that maybe this is why K2 asked "how is the girl?", knowing she was drugged and given to someone, but not knowing she was murdered.  JK2 just acted as "pimps" and got paid to bring a girl.  And that is where they get their money, from drugging and pimping out unsuspecting girls (20 times)
 



Morning Monks. And Deepak also says in the squad car tape if they find that shit Joran will get 15 years. He knows something. 15 years is an extremely tough sentence for anything under their system.

"If I knew where the body was I would have told a long time ago."

Ask Paulus. He knows.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on March 06, 2007, 10:16:04 AM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Snake on a Plane!

http://www.amigoe.com/english/
Quote
Boa in cargo hold Martinair

WILLEMSTAD – A 3-meter long boa constrictor was found in the cargo hold of an aircraft of Martinair yesterday afternoon.  

The snake is meanwhile taken to Parke Tropical, confirmed Stanley Ignacio.  Nobody of Curaçao Airport Partners could be reached for an explanation.  The animal must have been in one of the compartments of the cargo hold.  How it got there is a mystery, but the boa has most probably escaped in a contraband attempt.  

Since last year, Martinair is flying from Amsterdam to Curacao every Sunday.  On her way back to Amsterdam, the flight makes a stop-over in Barbados.  How long has the boa been in the cargo hold is not known, but it can’t be that long.  Since at high altitude the temperature drops way under the freezing point, animals do not survive long flights in an unheated cargo hold.  The transportation of checked in animals takes place in a heated compartment.


Now, what's interesting about this is that today's Diario has a story about a boa constrictor observation project on Aruba ...  :shock: (can't make out much about it from the Pap translator, but at least one of the Aruba snakes is preggers ... )



Snakes are something the Arubans do well. They elect them to public office, make lead investigators out of them, make sure they have a nest of them in the judicial system, and allow the young ones to roam free committing crimes. This should be a very successful project for Aruba.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 06, 2007, 10:21:13 AM
LORENZO VAN RIJN

Father Paul van Rijn committed suicide.  In June 2005 it was said Lorenzo was someone to fear, held rave parties.  It was also said that Lorenzo was one of the first people ALE looked at as a suspect.  It was reported Lorenzo was brought in for questioning around June 17, 2005.  

Also rumored that he is the illegitimate son of Paulus van Der Sloot.  Seems as though after June 2005 nobody in Aruba wants to talk about him.  We don't know why he's protected.

This was posted by Arubagirl regarding Lorenzo:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/aglorenzorumor.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on March 06, 2007, 10:21:36 AM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "sirensong"


Started thinking that maybe this is why K2 asked "how is the girl?", knowing she was drugged and given to someone, but not knowing she was murdered.  JK2 just acted as "pimps" and got paid to bring a girl.  And that is where they get their money, from drugging and pimping out unsuspecting girls (20 times)
 



Morning Monks. And Deepak also says in the squad car tape if they find that shit Joran will get 15 years. He knows something. 15 years is an extremely tough sentence for anything under their system.

"If I knew where the body was I would have told a long time ago."

Ask Paulus. He knows.


You are right - Deepak knows something..why say body?  Why not say girl?  Because he knew she was dead.  

Paulus for sure knows.  He is involved up to his eyeballs.  He has made sure to keep the K2's names in the mix too...  Probably like - Deepak, if you tell on us, who do you think they are going to believe?  Me or you?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 06, 2007, 10:22:14 AM
Ms. Marple:

Thank you.  I think I remember hearing very little about him,
only his van.

But there's no proof that he's Joran's half brother?

Are there copies of his statements, or anything about him at all?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 06, 2007, 10:30:47 AM
Quote from: "Patti"
Ms. Marple:

Thank you.  I think I remember hearing very little about him,
only his van.

But there's no proof that he's Joran's half brother?

Are there copies of his statements, or anything about him at all?

No proof that he's Joran's half brother, only rumors.  No witness or suspect statements that we have seen even though we were told he was brought in for questioning.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: msmarple on March 06, 2007, 10:39:27 AM
Quote from: "Patti"
Ms. Marple:

Thank you.  I think I remember hearing very little about him,
only his van.

But there's no proof that he's Joran's half brother?

Are there copies of his statements, or anything about him at all?


No, no, no.  :lol:  

I'm quite blurry on this, but I think some have figured out that Astrid and PVDS WERE in The Netherlands at the same time, and that's when "it" would have to have happened. Lorenzo apparently was born in Holland.

I, for one, don't think he was involved with whatever happened to Natalee. But he came to our attention because he WAS questioned.

One of the Aruba posters at the time told us about the house(s) being searched. If that's true - interesting that they could search his house, but couldn't search the PVDS property.

Onward.

No one else intrigued about the SOAP story? And the co-hinky-dink that Diario has a story about a snake science project? ON THE SAME DAY ...  :?:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 06, 2007, 10:41:04 AM
Yeah.... But Kimmy, they all knew that she was dead by the time that
secret conversation was recorded.  That was done on the 24th of June.

The body was recovered on the 11th.

They all knew.... that's why Joran says something like, "you know what
happened to the girl, and if you don't know, then nothing happened."
 
Joran knew they'd recovered the body.

Joran's guilty as helk, either that, or he's afraid to say what happened.
But that statement, especially, tells me that the Kalpoes honestly don't
know what happened after they dropped Joran off at the Marriott.

That's why they keep begging him to simply tell the truth.  They want to
go home.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on March 06, 2007, 11:00:49 AM
Patti: I think the Kalpoes were involved in the assault, but I too, wonder how much they were involved afterwards.  Joran has sure wanted to keep their names in it.  I have always believed that the K2's have something - some kind of evidence that they have for safe keeping.  Else, the VDS's would have thrown them under the bus a long time ago.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 06, 2007, 11:01:54 AM
Okay....

When I was reading the Shango posts...

This is what I got.

I think that Natalee returned to the Holiday Inn and went to the casino.  I think the doors were locked.  She was taken down into a basement.

I don't know if there is a basement, there, but when reading the posts
by Shango I envision a basement.

But there is another Lorenzo.  And I think he is the dirty hand... the Lion.

Lorenzo Wever !!!!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 06, 2007, 11:06:00 AM
Kimmy:

They're so worried about getting through this investigation unslathed...
they're not going to do anything to anybody.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 06, 2007, 11:12:08 AM
HEY!!!!!! Is someone trying to tango in here?  Patti perhaps?  My Shango Meter just went through the roof.  I knew you guys were dancing without me. Shame!  Where is my book?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 06, 2007, 11:13:22 AM
Quote from: "Patti"
Okay....

When I was reading the Shango posts...

This is what I got.

I think that Natalee returned to the Holiday Inn and went to the casino.  I think the doors were locked.  She was taken down into a basement.

I don't know if there is a basement, there, but when reading the posts
by Shango I envision a basement.

But there is another Lorenzo.  And I think he is the dirty hand... the Lion.

Lorenzo Wever !!!!!!



This is how it works...find a verse from Shango and make it fit to your scenario above. That's the way I do it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Cat on March 06, 2007, 11:16:34 AM
Well I don't know,as i am a cat.I smell a justice coming in the wind.The earth trembles as Justice approaches.You can run,but you will be found.It amazes me that the suspects are all non-arubans.Hmmm I feel that L knows and so does gvc's police sister.There is a special place in Hell for all,of them.Sherlock Cat


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: sb on March 06, 2007, 11:19:47 AM
I had forgotten about that post from arubagirl. I don't like the turn she took in the case, but I will say that she had some intriguing local knowledge and I have always felt like she was telling us the truth.

This case simply is TOO bizarre to be only a run-of-the-mill murder. There is SOMETHING there, that happened that night, that we cannot really wrap our brains around because it is not part of our culture and lifestyle. Whatever was done to her was outside our normal realm of experience.

I have never taken it as 100% fact that Natalee died that very night.

The "how is the girl doing?" statement reinforces that. So does the 4 AM PVDS pickup of BOTH Joran and Natalee.

These characters were doing something with her, or with her body, all during the time that Beth and the rest were arriving the next day and she may have been literally right under their noses when Beth and Jug went out to VDS house.

That thought makes me so sick...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 06, 2007, 11:24:39 AM
Okay... the first clue:

Simian says:  6/26 11:23pm

Who took the boy to the party?  Who took him home?  Therein lies the third act.  Look up the Simian's posts from days ago.

Days ago he talked about Joran being picked up at 4am.

Who took the boy to the party?  Ans:  Kalpoe and Deepak  

(dropped them off at the Marriott)

and

Who took him home?

(Paulus - after dropping Natalee off at the Holiday Inn)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 06, 2007, 11:30:41 AM
Quote from: "Patti"
Okay... the first clue:

Simian says:  6/26 11:23pm

Who took the boy to the party?  Who took him home?  Therein lies the third act.  Look up the Simian's posts from days ago.

Days ago he talked about Joran being picked up at 4am.

Who took the boy to the party?  Ans:  Kalpoe and Deepak  

(dropped them off at the Marriott)

and

Who took him home?

(Paulus - after dropping Natalee off at the Holiday Inn)



Where was the party?  At who's house?  Was it Lorenzo the mystery man or Lorenzo the pretty boy?  

What part does the Marriott play in this?  Was the party there?  What happened at the HI?  If Natalee was left at the HI, why the need to fabricate the original HI story between JK2?  Just more questions.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 06, 2007, 11:35:22 AM
The next item:

Shango says:  June 27, 10:09

Children of the Elders play in the maze,
but Dirty Hand is afraid to rave.

The Maze is the casino... Dirty Hand is Michael Posner - the owner ~

he's afraid to rave because of the power that their parent's have.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 06, 2007, 11:45:51 AM
June 27 10:41

Mary Rolled through the maze
There is more than one house of music
the lamb is a scape goat.

10:42

The Lamb returned to the fold
Mary rolled and the Lions played

Evidently, they had gone to a party at another house.  But when Joran
dropped Natalee off at the Holiday Inn - He became the scape goat - not sure why... and I don't really care.  He's a putz.

The Lamb - Joran - returned home.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: BTgirl on March 06, 2007, 11:49:02 AM
Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 6:06 pm
I ponder the evidence of sex and drugs with the father.
It was to hard for her and she could not handle the pressure



Hmmmmmmmm


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 06, 2007, 11:49:16 AM
Quote from: "Patti"
The next item:

Shango says:  June 27, 10:09

Children of the Elders play in the maze,
but Dirty Hand is afraid to rave.

The Maze is the casino... Dirty Hand is Michael Posner - the owner ~

he's afraid to rave because of the power that their parent's have.


Shango clearly tells you who is Dirty Hand.  Well, at least one of them.  It has been speculated that there are many.  Actually Shango tells us there have been many.  

But, let's go with your assumption that it is Posner.  My next question...what kind of power would the parents have?  Who's parents?  The Elders?  Wouldn't Posner have more power than them?  Afterall he created this MAZE.  Also note that the word maze is treated as a proper noun...just thinking... :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 06, 2007, 11:54:07 AM
Quote from: "Patti"
June 27 10:41

Mary Rolled through the maze
There is more than one house of music
the lamb is a scape goat.

10:42

The Lamb returned to the fold
Mary rolled and the Lions played

Evidently, they had gone to a party at another house.  But when Joran
dropped Natalee off at the Holiday Inn - He became the scape goat - not sure why... and I don't really care.  He's a putz.

The Lamb - Joran - returned home.



Why is it that only Mary "rolled" ?  Could that mean she moved through the maze?  I know many interpret it as a reference to doing ecstacy.  

How do you know that Joran dropped Natalee at the HI?  Where does Shango say that?   Why would Joran be a scapegoat if he was simply doing what he does every time they need a victim?  Who is "they"?  Elders? Posner?  Is Lorenzo an Elder?  Which Lorenzo? More questions...little answers.

Patti...you've got mail.  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 06, 2007, 11:57:29 AM
What?  You want me to figure out why people do the stupid things they do?  Just kidding...

I, honestly, don't know.

Maybe Paulus is protecting more people than just his son.

Maybe Paulus thought that if he told a lie about Natalee being dropped off
by Deepak, they wouldn't find her and that would be that.

He never thought about the fact that they had survelience cameras.

Why did Paulus call the Holiday Inn, first thing in the morning... the casino?

I don't know... but Shango did.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 06, 2007, 12:00:17 PM
NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

Kathleen Feeney, American Tourist Missing in St Maarten Since March 1, 2007


http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2007/03/06/kathleen-feeney-american-tourist-missing-in-st-maarten-since-march-1-2007/


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on March 06, 2007, 12:15:55 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Then I asked my brother how the girl was doing.



hmmm...so

the girl was Not doing well..... otherwise, why ask the question ?

sick ?
unresponsive ?

both ?


Maybe someday Satish will speak up

Hi monkeys


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on March 06, 2007, 12:18:55 PM
I think that Paulus has some dirt on others, maybe not protecting them, but holding something over their heads, for their cooperation.

I really think that the VDS' and K2's figured they could just lie their way out of things, that Natalee's family would just accept the security guards as those responsible, and would leave the island... They never expected the persistance of Beth & others.

"there is more than one house of music" another bar perhaps? The "maze" could that be the route they drove?  Just thinking outside the box - way outside


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on March 06, 2007, 12:19:14 PM
Quote from: Dayhiker
Quote from: "sirensong"


Started thinking that maybe this is why K2 asked "how is the girl?", knowing she was drugged and given to someone, but not knowing she was murdered.  JK2 just acted as "pimps" and got paid to bring a girl.  And that is where they get their money, from drugging and pimping out unsuspecting girls (20 times)
 


 :arrow: YEP


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on March 06, 2007, 12:21:26 PM
Quote from: "Patti"
Okay....

When I was reading the Shango posts...

This is what I got.

I think that Natalee returned to the Holiday Inn and went to the casino.  I think the doors were locked.  She was taken down into a basement.

I don't know if there is a basement, there, but when reading the posts
by Shango I envision a basement.

But there is another Lorenzo.  And I think he is the dirty hand... the Lion.

Lorenzo Wever !!!!!!




Hi Patti........There are so many Wevers ....who would this one be politically related to or associated with?   I do think we looked him up before...Klass would have it somewhere prob


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 06, 2007, 12:22:13 PM
Hey, FOM...Tibrogargan posted a pretty picture of the lunar eclipse from Cape Code lighthouse.  Wondered if you were able to check it out.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Mere on March 06, 2007, 12:22:26 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

Kathleen Feeney, American Tourist Missing in St Maarten Since March 1, 2007


http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2007/03/06/kathleen-feeney-american-tourist-missing-in-st-maarten-since-march-1-2007/


This is disturbing.....do you have any information on her hometown....
perhaps that area would have additional coverage.  We know that the cruise ships and the islands will have little....

Good afternoon friends... :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 06, 2007, 12:23:29 PM
Quote from: "MeMere"
Quote from: "klaasend"
NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

Kathleen Feeney, American Tourist Missing in St Maarten Since March 1, 2007


http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2007/03/06/kathleen-feeney-american-tourist-missing-in-st-maarten-since-march-1-2007/


This is disturbing.....do you have any information on her hometown....
perhaps that area would have additional coverage.  We know that the cruise ships and the islands will have little....

Good afternoon friends... :)

No, so far that's all we have.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on March 06, 2007, 12:24:17 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
HEY!!!!!! Is someone trying to tango in here?  Patti perhaps?  My Shango Meter just went through the roof.  I knew you guys were dancing without me. Shame!  Where is my book?



LALAS----i am in the library and u just made me bust out laughing!
Ms Marple......what is the " co-inki-dinki"????  TY


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on March 06, 2007, 12:26:30 PM
Quote from: "Patti"
June 27 10:41

Mary Rolled through the maze
There is more than one house of music
the lamb is a scape goat.

10:42

The Lamb returned to the fold
Mary rolled and the Lions played

Evidently, they had gone to a party at another house.  But when Joran
dropped Natalee off at the Holiday Inn - He became the scape goat - not sure why... and I don't really care.  He's a putz.

The Lamb - Joran - returned home.




Joran never dropped Nat at the hotel..... :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on March 06, 2007, 12:27:46 PM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Hey, FOM...Tibrogargan posted a pretty picture of the lunar eclipse from Cape Code lighthouse.  Wondered if you were able to check it out.



no--sounds cool tho---thx


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 06, 2007, 12:28:31 PM
You are right, MeMere.  www.cruisebruise.com has nothing on her, as yet. Maybe because she was off the ship, they do not feel responsible?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 06, 2007, 12:30:56 PM
Quote from: "Patti"
What?  You want me to figure out why people do the stupid things they do?  Just kidding...

I, honestly, don't know.

Maybe Paulus is protecting more people than just his son.

Maybe Paulus thought that if he told a lie about Natalee being dropped off
by Deepak, they wouldn't find her and that would be that.

He never thought about the fact that they had survelience cameras.

Why did Paulus call the Holiday Inn, first thing in the morning... the casino?

I don't know... but Shango did.


Could you show me where Paulus called the HI first thing in the morning?  I think I missed that.  Yes, you have to be able to figure out these criminal minds.  The rest of us monkeys are weary trying to do it.  And I had so much hope for you... :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 06, 2007, 12:32:08 PM
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
HEY!!!!!! Is someone trying to tango in here?  Patti perhaps?  My Shango Meter just went through the roof.  I knew you guys were dancing without me. Shame!  Where is my book?



LALAS----i am in the library and u just made me bust out laughing!
Ms Marple......what is the " co-inki-dinki"????  TY


People will think you have lost your mind when you do that.  I know I have been given some really strange looks when I do it.  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Mere on March 06, 2007, 12:34:59 PM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
You are right, MeMere.  www.cruisebruise.com has nothing on her, as yet. Maybe because she was off the ship, they do not feel responsible?


Hi 2NJ....I have never seen this site before...went one page further and am amazed at all of the incidents....!  Thank you.

http://www.cruisebruise.com/sitemap.html


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on March 06, 2007, 12:35:23 PM
Lalas...they have a time limit here on b/s too.....lol


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 06, 2007, 12:42:18 PM
Quote from: "Kimmy53"
I think that Paulus has some dirt on others, maybe not protecting them, but holding something over their heads, for their cooperation.

I really think that the VDS' and K2's figured they could just lie their way out of things, that Natalee's family would just accept the security guards as those responsible, and would leave the island... They never expected the persistance of Beth & others.

"there is more than one house of music" another bar perhaps? The "maze" could that be the route they drove?  Just thinking outside the box - way outside


Or maybe the dirt is on Paulus and he can't talk. Remember he agreed to sing any tune.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Cat on March 06, 2007, 12:43:32 PM
Hello FOM,I hope you got what you wished for,a spa treatment.I think the drug bidness and different cartels and money cleaning is so powerful,that the apple cart must be kept upright at all costs,and yes I heard others in that bidness in our area always want dirt on their bidnes partners.MAD(mutual assured destruction)Remember,the porn bidnezz is lucrative,also,and we know that was part the game..cat


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: BTgirl on March 06, 2007, 12:45:47 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "Kimmy53"
I think that Paulus has some dirt on others, maybe not protecting them, but holding something over their heads, for their cooperation.

I really think that the VDS' and K2's figured they could just lie their way out of things, that Natalee's family would just accept the security guards as those responsible, and would leave the island... They never expected the persistance of Beth & others.

"there is more than one house of music" another bar perhaps? The "maze" could that be the route they drove?  Just thinking outside the box - way outside


Or maybe the dirt is on Paulus and he can't talk. Remember he agreed to sing any tune.


I agree Lala's. That's why I posted what I did earlier from Simian.

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 6:06 pm
I ponder the evidence of sex and drugs with the father.
It was to hard for her and she could not handle the pressure


If Joran is the sacrificial lamb and not the culprit, then I think it would logically be Paulus that he is being sacrificed for.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: MisGivings on March 06, 2007, 12:45:51 PM
Quote from: Lala'sMom
Quote from: "Patti"
Okay... the first clue:

Simian says:  6/26 11:23pm

Who took the boy to the party?  Who took him home?  Therein lies the third act.  Look up the Simian's posts from days ago.

Days ago he talked about Joran being picked up at 4am.

Who took the boy to the party?  Ans:  Kalpoe and Deepak  

(dropped them off at the Marriott)

and

Who took him home?

(Paulus - after dropping Natalee off at the Holiday Inn)

*************************************************************
Remember, there was a room at the Holiday Inn that was totally re-done, carpet and all the day after Natalee went missing.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on March 06, 2007, 12:48:53 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "Kimmy53"
I think that Paulus has some dirt on others, maybe not protecting them, but holding something over their heads, for their cooperation.

I really think that the VDS' and K2's figured they could just lie their way out of things, that Natalee's family would just accept the security guards as those responsible, and would leave the island... They never expected the persistance of Beth & others.

"there is more than one house of music" another bar perhaps? The "maze" could that be the route they drove?  Just thinking outside the box - way outside


Or maybe the dirt is on Paulus and he can't talk. Remember he agreed to sing any tune.


Quite possible... I just see Paulus as being a self serving weasel...or as San likes to say POS.  They all may be equally involved and if one goes, they all go.

I just know if the right person were to spill the beans, the house of cards would fall hard and fast.....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 06, 2007, 12:49:41 PM
Joran, Fakkel and Jimmy - from Joran's old Myspace site:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/PimpJoranPhoto-1.jpg)

Fakkel and Jimmy - from Fakkel's current MSN Spaces site:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/PimpPhoto-1.jpg)

Cartoon - from Fakkel's current MSN Spaces site - please excuse the language in the cartoon but I need to post as is so you can see how these people think:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/CartoonJoranFriend-1.jpg)

Fakkel's current MSN Spaces link - Some of the drawings are inappropriate and would be rated "R" - do not open this link if you are at work:

http://smallzlilspace.spaces.live.com/


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on March 06, 2007, 12:49:55 PM
Quote from: "Cat"
Hello FOM,I hope you got what you wished for,a spa treatment.I think the drug bidness and different cartels and money cleaning is so powerful,that the apple cart must be kept upright at all costs,and yes I heard others in that bidness in our area always want dirt on their bidnes partners.MAD(mutual assured destruction)Remember,the porn bidnezz is lucrative,also,and we know that was part the game..cat


Hey Cat-- yes-it had alot to do with people like that.  I google Lorenzo
Wever.....so we are all talking about the same guy....just changing his name as it goes?   Wever is an old island name--lots of connections to the
older generation of Arubans....and the crematorium?  strange.......

never really went to riehl world before......hyscience stuff is interesting....the info here seems more accurate to me....
plus i like monkeys and cats....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on March 06, 2007, 12:54:10 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "Kimmy53"
I think that Paulus has some dirt on others, maybe not protecting them, but holding something over their heads, for their cooperation.

I really think that the VDS' and K2's figured they could just lie their way out of things, that Natalee's family would just accept the security guards as those responsible, and would leave the island... They never expected the persistance of Beth & others.

"there is more than one house of music" another bar perhaps? The "maze" could that be the route they drove?  Just thinking outside the box - way outside


Or maybe the dirt is on Paulus and he can't talk. Remember he agreed to sing any tune.


I agree Lala's. That's why I posted what I did earlier from Simian.

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 6:06 pm
I ponder the evidence of sex and drugs with the father.
It was to hard for her and she could not handle the pressure


If Joran is the sacrificial lamb and not the culprit, then I think it would logically be Paulus that he is being sacrificed for.


Evidence??? interesting word, is there film showing Paulus with her?

And also, remember Joran said he'd do what his family told him?  Could very well have been covering for Paulus, and he and all his family are proud at how well he stood up against the interrogations.  

Oh yeah, did I mention -  :smt097 Slootbags  this is for you.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 06, 2007, 12:54:10 PM
Running to the store, BRB


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 06, 2007, 12:55:21 PM
Where did Patti go?  Did I scare her away?  I am really a nice person, once you get to know me.  Come back...we have more to talk about.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on March 06, 2007, 12:56:25 PM
Klass---very strange indeed...luckily the librarian did not catch me....

u must go to some really wild sites to find this.....
oh--no--these kids are advertising.....very sick indeed


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 06, 2007, 01:02:30 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Running to the store, BRB



Get a car...you make my feet hurt.  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: MisGivings on March 06, 2007, 01:02:54 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Running to the store, BRB


DANG IT! She forgot to get my order again... :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 06, 2007, 01:11:20 PM
Since it is almost time for me to take my leave...I will give you Shangoers a few tidbits to chew on...

What if Shango was NEVER in Aruba?  

What if ALE helped hide and dispose of the body?

What if the maze means a network of places to move people around undetected?

What if "rolled" doesn't mean doing ecstasy?

What if Paulus is bound by the "secret" mafia code of Omerta?

What if Lorenzo the mystery man really is related to Sloots and this is Paulus connections?

Be back later tonight...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Peaches on March 06, 2007, 01:18:42 PM
You really know how to get 'em started, Lala's!

I'm headed out soon too.

Have a great day!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: LilPuma on March 06, 2007, 01:34:06 PM
Quote from: friend of monkeys
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "sirensong"


Started thinking that maybe this is why K2 asked "how is the girl?", knowing she was drugged and given to someone, but not knowing she was murdered.  JK2 just acted as "pimps" and got paid to bring a girl.  And that is where they get their money, from drugging and pimping out unsuspecting girls (20 times)
 


 :arrow: YEP


The term "pimps" is used by young people a lot, but LoverBoy does mean pimp in the more traditional sense in Dutch culture, I believe.  Joran using that screenname may be accurate, not just a young man trying to be cool and tough.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: LilPuma on March 06, 2007, 01:44:25 PM
Quote from: "Kimmy53"
I think that Paulus has some dirt on others, maybe not protecting them, but holding something over their heads, for their cooperation.
I really think that the VDS' and K2's figured they could just lie their way out of things, that Natalee's family would just accept the security guards as those responsible, and would leave the island... They never expected the persistance of Beth & others.

"there is more than one house of music" another bar perhaps? The "maze" could that be the route they drove?  Just thinking outside the box - way outside


That's why I think there is still evidence.  Not just evidence that the Dutch have that we don't know about, but evidence that's being kept somewhere.  If Joran, Paulus or the Kalpoes ever implicate any of the high rollers from drugs, money laundering or human trafficking, or those taking payoffs to help them, that evidence will mysteriously turn up.  No honor among thieves, as they say.  Insurance.  Dompig wants to solve the case, Michael Dompig tells what he knows, and suddenly the rumor is that Michael will be arrested.  Dompig says Michael lied and no arrest.  A girl comes forward to say she was drugged and raped by Joran, but Joran is released and she changes her story, claims she was bribed.  Deepak talks to Skeeters and is arrested the next day.  Harold Copus is told to stop investigating Holloway or they may not leave the island alive.   Deepak and Satish don't stick to Joran's storyline and their mother loses her job.  This is life in Aruba.  

This is where Robots jumps in to say "I hate them all."


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 06, 2007, 01:54:36 PM
Look.... Posner has a lot of power. But who want's to rave at his friends children.  The only reason he says it ~ is so you will recogninze what maze he's talking about.  He even tells you, there are two houses.  Would one of the most powerful men on the island allow a bunch of kids to sit around and smoke crack and take x, and worry about raving?  No.  He is telling you.... this is the third act.

You already went through the first act, the second act and now you are at the third one.

What ever you thought in the past, is over.  

They're preparing their goat for you.  If you don't know its' a goat, it won't matter, will it?

If you want to believe all this malarkey that they have given you, then you'll eat it.  THere are two houses.  The house of the goat and the house of the lion.  The lamb has gone to his pastures.  

The Gods are powerful. (period

And .... I'm tired.


LaLa's Mom:

Am I being nice?  You've got mail.


Title: Paulis's involvement
Post by: Jerry from Ohio on March 06, 2007, 01:57:27 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "Kimmy53"
I think that Paulus has some dirt on others, maybe not protecting them, but holding something over their heads, for their cooperation.

I really think that the VDS' and K2's figured they could just lie their way out of things, that Natalee's family would just accept the security guards as those responsible, and would leave the island... They never expected the persistance of Beth & others.

"there is more than one house of music" another bar perhaps? The "maze" could that be the route they drove?  Just thinking outside the box - way outside


Or maybe the dirt is on Paulus and he can't talk. Remember he agreed to sing any tune.


I agree Lala's. That's why I posted what I did earlier from Simian.

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 6:06 pm
I ponder the evidence of sex and drugs with the father.
It was to hard for her and she could not handle the pressure


If Joran is the sacrificial lamb and not the culprit, then I think it would logically be Paulus that he is being sacrificed for.


  I have said on two ocasions that I believe that Paulis had a lot more to do with Natalees rape and torture then any one would imagine  but it sort of got shoved aside because of my  dreams that showed me this
 But I swear to the great sperit that I saw as clear as a mountain Lake that Paulis was in a room at his or Jorans apt and he was have non -consensual sex with Natalee .
  This sort of thing has hapened to me too many times in my life and it usually NOT 100% NOW BUT IN THE GREAT MAJORITY OF DREAMS it has come out that it was a true vision .
  So ladys  I also believe that Paulis has a lot more dirt on his hands and mind on this then has yet to come out and if you do not thing Paulis is capable of this sort of thing then all I can say is that this man IS far more then capable of this type of deviant behavior with a young attractive woman such as Natalee was .


Title: Re: Paulis's involvement
Post by: San on March 06, 2007, 02:01:28 PM
Quote from: "Jerry from Ohio"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "Kimmy53"
I think that Paulus has some dirt on others, maybe not protecting them, but holding something over their heads, for their cooperation.

I really think that the VDS' and K2's figured they could just lie their way out of things, that Natalee's family would just accept the security guards as those responsible, and would leave the island... They never expected the persistance of Beth & others.

"there is more than one house of music" another bar perhaps? The "maze" could that be the route they drove?  Just thinking outside the box - way outside


Or maybe the dirt is on Paulus and he can't talk. Remember he agreed to sing any tune.


I agree Lala's. That's why I posted what I did earlier from Simian.

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 6:06 pm
I ponder the evidence of sex and drugs with the father.
It was to hard for her and she could not handle the pressure


If Joran is the sacrificial lamb and not the culprit, then I think it would logically be Paulus that he is being sacrificed for.


  I have said on two ocasions that I believe that Paulis had a lot more to do with Natalees rape and torture then any one would imagine  but it sort of got shoved aside because of my  dreams that showed me this
 But I swear to the great sperit that I saw as clear as a mountain Lake that Paulis was in a room at his or Jorans apt and he was have non -consensual sex with Natalee .
  This sort of thing has hapened to me too many times in my life and it usually NOT 100% NOW BUT IN THE GREAT MAJORITY OF DREAMS it has come out that it was a true vision .
  So ladys  I also believe that Paulis has a lot more dirt on his hands and mind on this then has yet to come out and if you do not thing Paulis is capable of this sort of thing then all I can say is that this man IS far more then capable of this type of deviant behavior with a young attractive woman such as Natalee was .

I totally agree.  Paulus is the one who allowed Natalee to die.  Joran harmed her and now Paulus has to make his decision because he can't let her live she will identify him.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on March 06, 2007, 02:20:38 PM
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Quote from: "Kimmy53"
I think that Paulus has some dirt on others, maybe not protecting them, but holding something over their heads, for their cooperation.
I really think that the VDS' and K2's figured they could just lie their way out of things, that Natalee's family would just accept the security guards as those responsible, and would leave the island... They never expected the persistance of Beth & others.

"there is more than one house of music" another bar perhaps? The "maze" could that be the route they drove?  Just thinking outside the box - way outside


That's why I think there is still evidence.  Not just evidence that the Dutch have that we don't know about, but evidence that's being kept somewhere.  If Joran, Paulus or the Kalpoes ever implicate any of the high rollers from drugs, money laundering or human trafficking, or those taking payoffs to help them, that evidence will mysteriously turn up.  No honor among thieves, as they say.  Insurance.  Dompig wants to solve the case, Michael Dompig tells what he knows, and suddenly the rumor is that Michael will be arrested.  Dompig says Michael lied and no arrest.  A girl comes forward to say she was drugged and raped by Joran, but Joran is released and she changes her story, claims she was bribed.  Deepak talks to Skeeters and is arrested the next day.  Harold Copus is told to stop investigating Holloway or they may not leave the island alive.   Deepak and Satish don't stick to Joran's storyline and their mother loses her job.  This is life in Aruba.  

This is where Robots jumps in to say "I hate them all."



I couldn't agree more Puma and Kimmy. There is no way they would have dodged justice this long without PVDS having his slimey tentacles in the dark side of Aruba politics and business. The pressure to cover up for him and his bastard son has been overwhelming from the top down.

Hands were tied, the media was run off, the FBI denied access and capabilities, a concerted effort was launched from the powers to discredit the victim and her family, evidence was lost, searches of the main residence refused, statements missing, judges' decisions bordering on ridiculous, the local media throwing up smoke screens, false promises made by talking heads, etcetera etcetera. PVDS was no small potato when it came to knowing the dirt on the island bosses. They all fell in line to protect their own hides.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on March 06, 2007, 02:27:57 PM
Patti---- don't know if u are still here.....

Are you referring to a party that may have taken place in the Holiday Inn that night?  One for the "high rollers".....and Lorenzo Wever is how the two "houses" are connected?

Lorenzo suppplies the drugs and the girls for Papa and his friends??  Lots of them ALE to begin with?

Will check in later monkeys...I see it is slow..but intersting group of monkeys popping in today

All the best
FOM


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on March 06, 2007, 02:29:51 PM
Quote from: MisGivings
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "Patti"
Okay... the first clue:

Simian says:  6/26 11:23pm

Who took the boy to the party?  Who took him home?  Therein lies the third act.  Look up the Simian's posts from days ago.

Days ago he talked about Joran being picked up at 4am.

Who took the boy to the party?  Ans:  Kalpoe and Deepak  

(dropped them off at the Marriott)

and

Who took him home?

(Paulus - after dropping Natalee off at the Holiday Inn)

*************************************************************
Remember, there was a room at the Holiday Inn that was totally re-done, carpet and all the day after Natalee went missing.




Right...so the third act is inbetween.....???

just talking to myself.....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 06, 2007, 02:36:36 PM
I just read my post.

I want to make my self clear.

The name that I mentioned is "the" lion.... the one that the others are
protecting.  And Michael is the dirty hand... at least in that one post.

I don't want to throw all your theories out the window.

Believe whatever you want.  I was simply making my own interpretation of SHANGO.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on March 06, 2007, 02:38:09 PM
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Quote from: "Kimmy53"
I think that Paulus has some dirt on others, maybe not protecting them, but holding something over their heads, for their cooperation.
I really think that the VDS' and K2's figured they could just lie their way out of things, that Natalee's family would just accept the security guards as those responsible, and would leave the island... They never expected the persistance of Beth & others.

"there is more than one house of music" another bar perhaps? The "maze" could that be the route they drove?  Just thinking outside the box - way outside


That's why I think there is still evidence.  Not just evidence that the Dutch have that we don't know about, but evidence that's being kept somewhere.  If Joran, Paulus or the Kalpoes ever implicate any of the high rollers from drugs, money laundering or human trafficking, or those taking payoffs to help them, that evidence will mysteriously turn up.  No honor among thieves, as they say.  Insurance.  Dompig wants to solve the case, Michael Dompig tells what he knows, and suddenly the rumor is that Michael will be arrested.  Dompig says Michael lied and no arrest.  A girl comes forward to say she was drugged and raped by Joran, but Joran is released and she changes her story, claims she was bribed.  Deepak talks to Skeeters and is arrested the next day.  Harold Copus is told to stop investigating Holloway or they may not leave the island alive.   Deepak and Satish don't stick to Joran's storyline and their mother loses her job.  This is life in Aruba.  

This is where Robots jumps in to say "I hate them all."


Afternoon Monkeys, I am reading alittle and catching up even less... :wink:
I recently read this article(old article) and it makes me wonder  :idea:
If Golba were "hired " to search specific areas in Aruba (which sound very much like they could even be a maze of sorts), how likely would anything he found have been turned over to the right people. IMO he would have turned things over to ALE, never to be seen again.  

+++++++++++++++++++++

COSBY:  And we have some exclusive details to tell you about in the Natalee Holloway case tonight.  LIVE & DIRECT has learned that a new search is now under way on the island of Aruba for the missing Alabama teen.  Just today, a team headed into an Aruban cave looking for clues.  And tomorrow they‘re headed back to the sand dunes.

On the phone with us right now tonight from Aruba is Fred Golba.  He‘s with the search group, called Child Watch Canine.

You know, Fred, why the caves?  Everyone‘s going—it sounds like this is the first time we‘ve heard of caves being searched.  Why there?

FRED GOLBA, CHILD WATCH CANINE:  Well, these caves are out in the Baby Beach area on the other side of San Nicolas.  And what I do each morning is I go to the police department, and I check in with them, and they give me defined areas to go and search.

And this was an area that they suggested that I go into and search to rule it out.  And what we did was we went out there.  And it looks like, you know, a desert field on the top, with cactus and some grass out there, which is very easily accessed from the main road.  You could drive a regular motor vehicle out to the area.

And as you walk out there, there‘s these air shafts that go down into these gold mines and phosphorus mines.  And some of these holes go down 50 feet, 100 feet, and you cannot see the bottom down in there, in some of them.

So what I did was I took your producer with me, and we did a repel down into the caves.  And we walked around, you know, down below ground in these caves, checking below these air shafts, to see if somebody had discarded the person that we‘re looking for down there.

COSBY:  Was there anything—as we‘re looking at some pictures, by the way, Fred, of you and your dog right now—anything that you saw of interest?  And were Aruban investigators with you during this search?

GOLBA:  No, they knew that I knew the area.  So, you know, they let me go out there.  When they have an area that I‘m not aware of, they will escort me out there and, you know, show me defined areas, such as my last trip in December, I was out in the Indian burial grounds, which isn‘t far from Deepak and Satish‘s house.

And we went out there, and there was a real big well that was, you know, a very old well that was out there.  And we weren‘t able to search it, you know, in any way, shape, or form, and not with a dog, because the sides of the wells were—you know, it‘s not accessible by a dog.

So what we did was we went there today with the infrared camera, and we put a camera head down to the bottom of the well and searched the bottom of the well and came up negative.  So we have ruled out the Indian burial grounds, and we ruled out the air shafts and the caves out by Baby Beach, which is almost right across the street from the prison.  


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11857796/


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on March 06, 2007, 02:41:06 PM
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Patti---- don't know if u are still here.....

Are you referring to a party that may have taken place in the Holiday Inn that night?  One for the "high rollers".....and Lorenzo Wever is how the two "houses" are connected?

Lorenzo suppplies the drugs and the girls for Papa and his friends??  Lots of them ALE to begin with?

Will check in later monkeys...I see it is slow..but intersting group of monkeys popping in today

All the best
FOM


Sorry FOM, can you please tell me who Lorenzo Wever is?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 06, 2007, 02:42:55 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Patti---- don't know if u are still here.....

Are you referring to a party that may have taken place in the Holiday Inn that night?  One for the "high rollers".....and Lorenzo Wever is how the two "houses" are connected?

Lorenzo suppplies the drugs and the girls for Papa and his friends??  Lots of them ALE to begin with?

Will check in later monkeys...I see it is slow..but intersting group of monkeys popping in today

All the best
FOM


Sorry FOM, can you please tell me who Lorenzo Wever is?

Tito had implied that Guido's name was Lorenzo once when Tito was posting here. I'm not sure I buy it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: scared-tom on March 06, 2007, 02:45:43 PM
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Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Hotshot on March 06, 2007, 02:47:40 PM
Hey everyone.  Just a reminder that there is a Tourism show in Boston the 23-25 of this month.  Aruba people will be there.  For anyone interested in going you can contact me at  drenga@sbcglobal.net  Also selling shirts whether you are going or not if you want any......  Sorry I have to write and run, have a busy afternoon.

Hotshot


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on March 06, 2007, 02:47:54 PM
Quote from: "Patti"
I just read my post.

I want to make my self clear.

The name that I mentioned is "the" lion.... the one that the others are
protecting.  And Michael is the dirty hand... at least in that one post.

I don't want to throw all your theories out the window.

Believe whatever you want.  I was simply making my own interpretation of SHANGO.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on March 06, 2007, 02:49:40 PM
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Quote from: "Patti"
I just read my post.

I want to make my self clear.

The name that I mentioned is "the" lion.... the one that the others are
protecting.  And Michael is the dirty hand... at least in that one post.

I don't want to throw all your theories out the window.

Believe whatever you want.  I was simply making my own interpretation of SHANGO.



Does "the minister is sinister".....ring any bells......???


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on March 06, 2007, 02:52:22 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Patti---- don't know if u are still here.....

Are you referring to a party that may have taken place in the Holiday Inn that night?  One for the "high rollers".....and Lorenzo Wever is how the two "houses" are connected?

Lorenzo suppplies the drugs and the girls for Papa and his friends??  Lots of them ALE to begin with?

Will check in later monkeys...I see it is slow..but intersting group of monkeys popping in today

All the best
FOM


Sorry FOM, can you please tell me who Lorenzo Wever is?

Tito had implied that Guido's name was Lorenzo once when Tito was posting here. I'm not sure I buy it.


I think I recall that Klaas , and then didn't AG say that there was no one named Lorenzo Wever in Aruba as far as she knew that was under the age of 45? ....something like that. I guess I just thought it was a "mistake " by Tito. So when I read FOM's post i thought maybe there was some new info about  a Lorenzo Wever.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on March 06, 2007, 02:53:49 PM
As best as I understand it....Lorenzo Wever is Guidos father? :roll:  :lol:

Or..he and Lorenzoe Van Rijn are the same guy referred to differently

I don't know...what do you think BB?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on March 06, 2007, 02:55:35 PM
Aruba was built on Wevers and Croes


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 06, 2007, 03:03:53 PM
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
As best as I understand it....Lorenzo Wever is Guidos father? :roll:  :lol:

Or..he and Lorenzoe Van Rijn are the same guy referred to differently

I don't know...what do you think BB?

No, Lorenzo Wever is not Guido's father.  Guido's father is Robert (I think).  

I believe Tito simply made a mistake calling Guido..Lorenzo.  They are two different people.

Guido Wever
Lorenzo van Rijn


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 06, 2007, 03:08:54 PM
No.  I think there may have been a party at Joran's half brothers house that night... a rave.  But I don't think that Natalee stayed there.  I think that she went back to the hotel.

The reason that I think that there are two Lorenzos is because Simian said that she went to dinner and was seeing someone else.  I looked on the internet and found a post about a man named Lorenzo Wever aka Koki.   Upon looking further I found that he was 27 years old.

Because of his name being Weaver, I thought that he must be the one that Simian was speaking about.  Then I found out that Joran has a half brother named Lorenzo who is also a powerful man.  When I heard that he had a basement, I freaked.

I said, there are two Lorenzos.... because it is doubtful that Natalee would be going out to eat and hang out with a guy like this misfit.

Why?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: AZLady on March 06, 2007, 03:16:06 PM
A major flaw in your theory is that Natalee's friends, all her friends, said she did not eat dinner with a man or hang out with any man.  Natalee spent her time with her friends, all of them together.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: AZLady on March 06, 2007, 03:17:49 PM
FOM, yes, I do believe the "minister is sinister" and he's a pervert.  This knowledge leaves him very open to be blackmailed.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: AZLady on March 06, 2007, 03:19:12 PM
I understand why you attempt to interpret Shango's posts, but why do you believe Simian's posts?  Shango did not like Simian.  They did not agree.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: AZLady on March 06, 2007, 03:20:05 PM
Someone refresh my memory about Bahia.  Where is it?  Who owns it?  What do we know about it?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 06, 2007, 03:23:51 PM
So was Natalee seeing Guido before the night that she went out with Joran?

I knew this stuff was going to end me up in trouble.  Anytime you try to read and comprehend someone elses fortunetelling... so much is left to your own comprehension.

I didn't know that there wasn't a man names Lorenzo Weaver aka Koki.

I pictured this midnight interlude that turned to disaster, which seemed better than a gang rape.  I saw what I wanted to see, probably.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 06, 2007, 03:25:20 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Patti---- don't know if u are still here.....

Are you referring to a party that may have taken place in the Holiday Inn that night?  One for the "high rollers".....and Lorenzo Wever is how the two "houses" are connected?

Lorenzo suppplies the drugs and the girls for Papa and his friends??  Lots of them ALE to begin with?

Will check in later monkeys...I see it is slow..but intersting group of monkeys popping in today

All the best
FOM


Could Be The Lions Club Were In Attendence ...............

They Use The Holiday Inn For ALL Their GALAS ..............

 :roll:

Sorry FOM, can you please tell me who Lorenzo Wever is?

Tito had implied that Guido's name was Lorenzo once when Tito was posting here. I'm not sure I buy it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 06, 2007, 03:27:42 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Someone refresh my memory about Bahia.  Where is it?  Who owns it?  What do we know about it?

Bahia is one of about 5 main bars that the locals and tourists go to.  Steve Croes was DJing at Bahia for a while.  

Bahia is just down the street from CnC:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/RouteSatalite17.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 06, 2007, 03:28:42 PM
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Aruba was built on Wevers and Croes


And Here I Thought All These Years It Was ........

Pirates Bones & Pieces Of Shit ( I Mean Eight ) .............

 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 06, 2007, 03:29:00 PM
Actually I did like Shango better than Simian.  But I wanted to find out if there were this mystery man in Natalee's life and when I searched the website, I thought I'd found it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 06, 2007, 03:30:27 PM
Quote from: "Patti"
Actually I did like Shango better than Simian.  But I wanted to find out if there were this mystery man in Natalee's life and when I searched the website, I thought I'd found it.


But Simian Is Better Looking ...............

 :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 06, 2007, 03:30:28 PM
Quote from: "Patti"
Actually I did like Shango better than Simian.  But I wanted to find out if there were this mystery man in Natalee's life and when I searched the website, I thought I'd found it.

When you searched who's website?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: AZLady on March 06, 2007, 03:30:46 PM
Lorenzo van Rijn--son of deceased VW dealer and Astrid van Rijn; might be illegitimate son of PVDS (rumor).  Might have parties, be involved in drug trade.

Guido Wever--model and dealer at HI casino who left town shortly after Natalee disappeared; was briefly arrested in Holland in this case; lawyer proclaimed he was gay.  

No Lorenzo Wever, according to Aruban sources.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 06, 2007, 03:32:51 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Lorenzo van Rijn--son of deceased VW dealer and Astrid van Rijn; might be illegitimate son of PVDS (rumor).  Might have parties, be involved in drug trade.

Guido Wever--model and dealer at HI casino who left town shortly after Natalee disappeared; was briefly arrested in Holland in this case; lawyer proclaimed he was gay.  

No Lorenzo Wever, according to Aruban sources.


Well We Know Thats A Lie .............

 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 06, 2007, 03:33:17 PM
Just cause I tried to hit a home run doesn't mean that I struck out.  I got
alot out of the posts written by Shango.  My own interpretation.  Now I
guess I'll just have to sit back and see what happens.

And Eat Crow!!!!
 :cry:  :cry:  :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: AZLady on March 06, 2007, 03:34:53 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Patti"
Actually I did like Shango better than Simian.  But I wanted to find out if there were this mystery man in Natalee's life and when I searched the website, I thought I'd found it.

When you searched who's website?


Multiple sources have verified there is no mystery man in Natalee's life.  

You know, I enjoy the Shango riddles, and think he might have been on to something, but I really don't enjoy people coming to SM and dredging up all this crap that we've proved wrong time and time again.  Go back and read the stuff in the other forums that people have put together, documented and verified, before spewing out all this misinformation again.
No offense meant, but we've been there and done that.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 06, 2007, 03:38:09 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Patti"
Actually I did like Shango better than Simian.  But I wanted to find out if there were this mystery man in Natalee's life and when I searched the website, I thought I'd found it.

When you searched who's website?

Patti - who's website are you referring to?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 06, 2007, 03:38:22 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Patti"
Actually I did like Shango better than Simian.  But I wanted to find out if there were this mystery man in Natalee's life and when I searched the website, I thought I'd found it.

When you searched who's website?


American Idol ...............

 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: AZLady on March 06, 2007, 03:38:58 PM
Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Lorenzo van Rijn--son of deceased VW dealer and Astrid van Rijn; might be illegitimate son of PVDS (rumor).  Might have parties, be involved in drug trade.

Guido Wever--model and dealer at HI casino who left town shortly after Natalee disappeared; was briefly arrested in Holland in this case; lawyer proclaimed he was gay.  

No Lorenzo Wever, according to Aruban sources.


Well We Know Thats A Lie .............

 8)


Which one, Widget?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 06, 2007, 03:39:53 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Patti"
Actually I did like Shango better than Simian.  But I wanted to find out if there were this mystery man in Natalee's life and when I searched the website, I thought I'd found it.

When you searched who's website?

Patti - who's website are you referring to?


KLaas Is It True That Jug Gained 40 Pounds & Joined The IRA .............


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: AZLady on March 06, 2007, 03:40:50 PM
Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Patti"
Actually I did like Shango better than Simian.  But I wanted to find out if there were this mystery man in Natalee's life and when I searched the website, I thought I'd found it.

When you searched who's website?

Patti - who's website are you referring to?


KLaas Is It True That Jug Gained 40 Pounds & Joined The IRA .............
:roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 06, 2007, 03:41:10 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Lorenzo van Rijn--son of deceased VW dealer and Astrid van Rijn; might be illegitimate son of PVDS (rumor).  Might have parties, be involved in drug trade.

Guido Wever--model and dealer at HI casino who left town shortly after Natalee disappeared; was briefly arrested in Holland in this case; lawyer proclaimed he was gay.  

No Lorenzo Wever, according to Aruban sources.


Well We Know Thats A Lie .............

 8)


Which one, Widget?


THe NO Lorenzo Wever ..............


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: AZLady on March 06, 2007, 03:42:18 PM
I am just amazed this is still happening.  Actually, I'm awe-struck.  When will it end? :smt091


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: AZLady on March 06, 2007, 03:43:06 PM
Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Lorenzo van Rijn--son of deceased VW dealer and Astrid van Rijn; might be illegitimate son of PVDS (rumor).  Might have parties, be involved in drug trade.

Guido Wever--model and dealer at HI casino who left town shortly after Natalee disappeared; was briefly arrested in Holland in this case; lawyer proclaimed he was gay.  

No Lorenzo Wever, according to Aruban sources.


Well We Know Thats A Lie .............

 8)


Which one, Widget?


THe NO Lorenzo Wever ..............

Well, that was according to an Aruban poster, so it doesn't surprise me.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 06, 2007, 03:43:38 PM
Widget - I'm not 100% sure of anything in this case.  I will say that I searched everthing I could and found no Lorenzo Wever in Aruba.  That does not mean that someone couldn't have a nickname of Lorenzo though.  That said, I still believe there are 2 separate people:

Guido Wever (who I do believe is gay)
Lorenzo Van Rijn (who I still would like to know why he's being protected)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on March 06, 2007, 03:44:50 PM
Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Aruba was built on Wevers and Croes


And Here I Thought All These Years It Was ........

Pirates Bones & Pieces Of Shit ( I Mean Eight ) .............

 8)



WIDGET!!!!!!!!!!!!    

your post got mixed up.....but yes..the lions club??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 06, 2007, 03:46:35 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Widget - I'm not 100% sure of anything in this case.  I will say that I searched everthing I could and found no Lorenzo Wever in Aruba.  That does not mean that someone couldn't have a nickname of Lorenzo though.  That said, I still believe there are 2 separate people:

Guido Wever (who I do believe is gay)
Lorenzo Van Rijn (who I still would like to know why he's being protected)

And, I would like to add that Guido Wever claims in court documents to have had MORE than platonic relationship with Joran.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 06, 2007, 03:46:44 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
I am just amazed this is still happening.  Actually, I'm awe-struck.  When will it end? :smt091


Hopefully Before The War .............

When Our State Dept Failed To Pick Up The Ball & Yell FOUL .............

THe Odds Of Ever Finding Out What Happened Diminished Greatly .......

It  Seems This Case Is A Dead End ..........

Only Jack Bauer Can Get The Answers .............

 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on March 06, 2007, 03:47:52 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Widget - I'm not 100% sure of anything in this case.  I will say that I searched everthing I could and found no Lorenzo Wever in Aruba.  That does not mean that someone couldn't have a nickname of Lorenzo though.  That said, I still believe there are 2 separate people:

Guido Wever (who I do believe is gay)
Lorenzo Van Rijn (who I still would like to know why he's being protected)



Unless Lorenzoe Van Rijn is somehow related to the Wever/ Weaver family...not unlikely.......and by his familys name he is beyond reproach somehow?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 06, 2007, 03:48:37 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Widget - I'm not 100% sure of anything in this case.  I will say that I searched everthing I could and found no Lorenzo Wever in Aruba.  That does not mean that someone couldn't have a nickname of Lorenzo though.  That said, I still believe there are 2 separate people:

Guido Wever (who I do believe is gay)
Lorenzo Van Rijn (who I still would like to know why he's being protected)


Seems Arubans Like Nicknames ..................

 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on March 06, 2007, 03:49:14 PM
Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Lorenzo van Rijn--son of deceased VW dealer and Astrid van Rijn; might be illegitimate son of PVDS (rumor).  Might have parties, be involved in drug trade.

Guido Wever--model and dealer at HI casino who left town shortly after Natalee disappeared; was briefly arrested in Holland in this case; lawyer proclaimed he was gay.  

No Lorenzo Wever, according to Aruban sources.


Well We Know Thats A Lie .............

 8)



WELL WIDGE IT IS HARD TO FIND nevermind ARREST A GUY  IF YOU CAN NOT DECIDE WHAT HIS FRIGGIN NAME IS......


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on March 06, 2007, 03:50:14 PM
Quote from: "Patti"
Just cause I tried to hit a home run doesn't mean that I struck out.  I got
alot out of the posts written by Shango.  My own interpretation.  Now I
guess I'll just have to sit back and see what happens.

And Eat Crow!!!!
 :cry:  :cry:  :cry:



U never know Patti...

Please...would love the name you speak of...the lion we never have mentioned???


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 06, 2007, 03:50:29 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Widget - I'm not 100% sure of anything in this case.  I will say that I searched everthing I could and found no Lorenzo Wever in Aruba.  That does not mean that someone couldn't have a nickname of Lorenzo though.  That said, I still believe there are 2 separate people:

Guido Wever (who I do believe is gay)
Lorenzo Van Rijn (who I still would like to know why he's being protected)

And, I would like to add that Guido Wever claims in court documents to have had MORE than platonic relationship with Joran.


Definitely JOran Is A Switch Hitter ................

AC/DC ..........

 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on March 06, 2007, 03:51:45 PM
Quote from: klaasend
Quote from: "klaasend"
Widget - I'm not 100% sure of anything in this case.  I will say that I searched everthing I could and found no Lorenzo Wever in Aruba.  That does not mean that someone couldn't have a nickname of Lorenzo though.  That said, I still believe there are 2 separate people:

Guido Wever (who I do believe is gay)
Lorenzo Van Rijn (who I still would like to know why he's being protected)

And, I would like to add that Guido Wever claims in court documents to have had MORE than platonic relationship with Joran.[/quote]

 :shock:

KLASS U ROCK

my 30 min is up...lol


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 06, 2007, 03:51:46 PM
Klaas:

First I searched the scared monkeys.  That's how I got the name.  Then I went to the internet and I found some stuff posted about his age and his nickname.

That was when I found the stuff about Joran having a half-brother.  I had
never heard that before.  So I ran a check on his name and the info didn't jive so I asked, to make sure that they weren't the same person.

and then I jumped to conclusions... right down the old shoot, like a Sloot.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: AZLady on March 06, 2007, 03:52:35 PM
Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Widget - I'm not 100% sure of anything in this case.  I will say that I searched everthing I could and found no Lorenzo Wever in Aruba.  That does not mean that someone couldn't have a nickname of Lorenzo though.  That said, I still believe there are 2 separate people:

Guido Wever (who I do believe is gay)
Lorenzo Van Rijn (who I still would like to know why he's being protected)

And, I would like to add that Guido Wever claims in court documents to have had MORE than platonic relationship with Joran.


Definitely JOran Is A Switch Hitter ................

AC/DC ..........

 8)


Yup, a regular, run-of-the-mill, any old which way pervert, rapist, and murderer.  Li


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on March 06, 2007, 03:53:04 PM
Quote from: "Patti"
Klaas:

First I searched the scared monkeys.  That's how I got the name.  Then I went to the internet and I found some stuff posted about his age and his nickname.

That was when I found the stuff about Joran having a half-brother.  I had
never heard that before.  So I ran a check on his name and the info didn't jive so I asked, to make sure that they weren't the same person.

and then I jumped to conclusions... right down the old shoot, like a Sloot.



glad u r up to sped :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 06, 2007, 03:53:52 PM
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Lorenzo van Rijn--son of deceased VW dealer and Astrid van Rijn; might be illegitimate son of PVDS (rumor).  Might have parties, be involved in drug trade.

Guido Wever--model and dealer at HI casino who left town shortly after Natalee disappeared; was briefly arrested in Holland in this case; lawyer proclaimed he was gay.  

No Lorenzo Wever, according to Aruban sources.


Well We Know Thats A Lie .............

 8)



WELL WIDGE IT IS HARD TO FIND nevermind ARREST A GUY  IF YOU CAN NOT DECIDE WHAT HIS FRIGGIN NAME IS......


Round Up All The Usual Suspects ...............

Casablanca .........

 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: AZLady on March 06, 2007, 03:54:40 PM
Quote from: "Patti"
Klaas:

First I searched the scared monkeys.  That's how I got the name.  Then I went to the internet and I found some stuff posted about his age and his nickname.

That was when I found the stuff about Joran having a half-brother.  I had
never heard that before.  So I ran a check on his name and the info didn't jive so I asked, to make sure that they weren't the same person.

and then I jumped to conclusions... right down the old shoot, like a Sloot.

Okay, Patti.  I'm up to my neck with the games and riddles.  Spit out the "name" or drop it.  Provide the "stuff" you found on the internet or drop it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 06, 2007, 03:55:07 PM
Quote from: "Patti"
Klaas:

First I searched the scared monkeys.  That's how I got the name.  Then I went to the internet and I found some stuff posted about his age and his nickname.

That was when I found the stuff about Joran having a half-brother.  I had
never heard that before.  So I ran a check on his name and the info didn't jive so I asked, to make sure that they weren't the same person.

and then I jumped to conclusions... right down the old shoot, like a Sloot.

Patti - unfortunately, the Lorenzo stuff has been hashed and re-hashed so many times.  Very difficult to get any reliable information on him any more.  

Note my post above regarding the relationship between Guido and Joran.  When Shango mentions the "boyfriend from earlier in the week", is he referring to Joran's boyfriend Guido?  Did Guido get upset because Joran was with Natalee?  Just a thought.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 06, 2007, 03:56:14 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "Patti"
Klaas:

First I searched the scared monkeys.  That's how I got the name.  Then I went to the internet and I found some stuff posted about his age and his nickname.

That was when I found the stuff about Joran having a half-brother.  I had
never heard that before.  So I ran a check on his name and the info didn't jive so I asked, to make sure that they weren't the same person.

and then I jumped to conclusions... right down the old shoot, like a Sloot.

Okay, Patti.  I'm up to my neck with the games and riddles.  Spit out the "name" or drop it.  Provide the "stuff" you found on the internet or drop it.


I Felt That Rush Of Air Here AZLady................

 :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: AZLady on March 06, 2007, 03:58:33 PM
Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "Patti"
Klaas:

First I searched the scared monkeys.  That's how I got the name.  Then I went to the internet and I found some stuff posted about his age and his nickname.

That was when I found the stuff about Joran having a half-brother.  I had
never heard that before.  So I ran a check on his name and the info didn't jive so I asked, to make sure that they weren't the same person.

and then I jumped to conclusions... right down the old shoot, like a Sloot.

Okay, Patti.  I'm up to my neck with the games and riddles.  Spit out the "name" or drop it.  Provide the "stuff" you found on the internet or drop it.


I Felt That Rush Of Air Here AZLady................

 :wink:


Is it getting warmer, Widgie?   :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 06, 2007, 03:59:56 PM
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Lorenzo van Rijn--son of deceased VW dealer and Astrid van Rijn; might be illegitimate son of PVDS (rumor).  Might have parties, be involved in drug trade.

Guido Wever--model and dealer at HI casino who left town shortly after Natalee disappeared; was briefly arrested in Holland in this case; lawyer proclaimed he was gay.  

No Lorenzo Wever, according to Aruban sources.


Well We Know Thats A Lie .............

 8)


WELL WIDGE IT IS HARD TO FIND nevermind ARREST A GUY  IF YOU CAN NOT DECIDE WHAT HIS FRIGGIN NAME IS......

This is exactly why I think they are trying to confuse everyone because we don't have the right name.  Who knows it could be a combination of names from two different people. :roll:
The one person they can't seem to touch is Guido.  Guido had the best attorney that money can buy from day one.  Why.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: AZLady on March 06, 2007, 04:00:21 PM
Well, my BS meter is rather sensitive these days, so I think I'll just go do something worthwhile -- like play another game of solitaire or something.  Talk to you all later.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 06, 2007, 04:01:11 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Patti"
Klaas:

First I searched the scared monkeys.  That's how I got the name.  Then I went to the internet and I found some stuff posted about his age and his nickname.

That was when I found the stuff about Joran having a half-brother.  I had
never heard that before.  So I ran a check on his name and the info didn't jive so I asked, to make sure that they weren't the same person.

and then I jumped to conclusions... right down the old shoot, like a Sloot.

Patti - unfortunately, the Lorenzo stuff has been hashed and re-hashed so many times.  Very difficult to get any reliable information on him any more.  

Note my post above regarding the relationship between Guido and Joran.  When Shango mentions the "boyfriend from earlier in the week", is he referring to Joran's boyfriend Guido?  Did Guido get upset because Joran was with Natalee?  Just a thought.


And Guido Killed Natalee In A Rage ...........

Jealous Fags Are Terrible ......... Just Ask My Dead Brother ..........

They Bite, Scratch, Claw..........

Go On WCN & See How Fags Treat Women In This Naked Arena .......

They Hate Women ..........

When I Lived In SF, I Thought I Arrived In Heaven ........

Woman Outnumbered Straight Men 10-1

Paradise ...........

 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 06, 2007, 04:02:56 PM
Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
Quote from: "AZLady"
I am just amazed this is still happening.  Actually, I'm awe-struck.  When will it end? :smt091


Hopefully Before The War .............

When Our State Dept Failed To Pick Up The Ball & Yell FOUL .............

THe Odds Of Ever Finding Out What Happened Diminished Greatly .......

It  Seems This Case Is A Dead End ..........

Only Jack Bauer Can Get The Answers .............

 8)


My suggestion is we send Kathryn Morris and the Cold Case team over there.  They would have it solved under an hour and that would even allow for the ad breaks


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 06, 2007, 04:03:23 PM
Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Patti"
Klaas:

First I searched the scared monkeys.  That's how I got the name.  Then I went to the internet and I found some stuff posted about his age and his nickname.

That was when I found the stuff about Joran having a half-brother.  I had
never heard that before.  So I ran a check on his name and the info didn't jive so I asked, to make sure that they weren't the same person.

and then I jumped to conclusions... right down the old shoot, like a Sloot.

Patti - unfortunately, the Lorenzo stuff has been hashed and re-hashed so many times.  Very difficult to get any reliable information on him any more.  

Note my post above regarding the relationship between Guido and Joran.  When Shango mentions the "boyfriend from earlier in the week", is he referring to Joran's boyfriend Guido?  Did Guido get upset because Joran was with Natalee?  Just a thought.


And Guido Killed Natalee In A Rage ...........

Jealous Fags Are Terrible ......... Just Ask My Dead Brother ..........

They Bite, Scratch, Claw..........

Go On WCN & See How Fags Treat Women In This Naked Arena .......

They Hate Women ..........

When I Lived In SF, I Thought I Arrived In Heaven ........

Woman Outnumbered Straight Men 10-1

Paradise ...........

 8)

There are only two people that I'm aware of that said Natalee dressed like a slut:

1.  Steve Youhas (admitted gay man)
2.  Deepak Kalpoe


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Leslie on March 06, 2007, 04:03:28 PM
Law Firm of Croes, Wever, Tchong
http://tinyurl.com/385qdy
Hendrik Croes - former minister of Justice and brother of Rudy Croes and Betico Croes
and "corrupt" according to Arubagirl
http://tinyurl.com/2usmrb
Rudolf M. Wever died in February 2007
Rudy Croes is a part owner of Malmok Property Development
http://tinyurl.com/2jatgc


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: AZLady on March 06, 2007, 04:03:37 PM
Quote from: "San"

This is exactly why I think they are trying to confuse everyone because we don't have the right name.  Who knows it could be a combination of names from two different people. :roll:
The one person they can't seem to touch is Guido.  Guido had the best attorney that money can buy from day one.  Why.


San--a sensible monkey, if that's not a misnomer.  I'd like to know how Guido, a model and dealer of rather young age, was able to afford the retainer of such a high-powered attorney.  Who provided him the money for the retainer?  That would be interesting information, wouldn't it?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 06, 2007, 04:03:56 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Lorenzo van Rijn--son of deceased VW dealer and Astrid van Rijn; might be illegitimate son of PVDS (rumor).  Might have parties, be involved in drug trade.

Guido Wever--model and dealer at HI casino who left town shortly after Natalee disappeared; was briefly arrested in Holland in this case; lawyer proclaimed he was gay.  

No Lorenzo Wever, according to Aruban sources.


Well We Know Thats A Lie .............

 8)


WELL WIDGE IT IS HARD TO FIND nevermind ARREST A GUY  IF YOU CAN NOT DECIDE WHAT HIS FRIGGIN NAME IS......

This is exactly why I think they are trying to confuse everyone because we don't have the right name.  Who knows it could be a combination of names from two different people. :roll:
The one person they can't seem to touch is Guido.  Guido had the best attorney that money can buy from day one.  Why.


Hi San........... Great To See Ya ..............

It Seems His Family Have More Pull Than The Sloots ..............

Heavy Battery Still Looms Big On Police Report ...........

He Defintely Is Involved But Where Who Knows .................

 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on March 06, 2007, 04:05:25 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Well, my BS meter is rather sensitive these days, so I think I'll just go do something worthwhile -- like play another game of solitaire or something.  Talk to you all later.



don't leave......i was just gonna make popcorn for the fight...lol

and I agree that this is a place to share info...not dangle it


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: AZLady on March 06, 2007, 04:06:12 PM
Quote from: "Leslie"
Law Firm of Croes, Wever, Tchong
http://tinyurl.com/385qdy
Hendrik Croes - former minister of Justice and brother of Rudy Croes and Betico Croes
and "corrupt" according to Arubagirl
http://tinyurl.com/2usmrb
Rudolf M. Wever died in February 2007
Rudy Croes is a part owner of Malmok Property Development
http://tinyurl.com/2jatgc


And, didn't I read that a customer of the Croes, Wever, Tchong firm is the Bank of Aruba?  The Croes and Wevers have their fingers in the financial pie of Aruba--all the way to the elbows.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 06, 2007, 04:06:57 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Patti"
Klaas:

First I searched the scared monkeys.  That's how I got the name.  Then I went to the internet and I found some stuff posted about his age and his nickname.

That was when I found the stuff about Joran having a half-brother.  I had
never heard that before.  So I ran a check on his name and the info didn't jive so I asked, to make sure that they weren't the same person.

and then I jumped to conclusions... right down the old shoot, like a Sloot.

Patti - unfortunately, the Lorenzo stuff has been hashed and re-hashed so many times.  Very difficult to get any reliable information on him any more.  

Note my post above regarding the relationship between Guido and Joran.  When Shango mentions the "boyfriend from earlier in the week", is he referring to Joran's boyfriend Guido?  Did Guido get upset because Joran was with Natalee?  Just a thought.


And Guido Killed Natalee In A Rage ...........

Jealous Fags Are Terrible ......... Just Ask My Dead Brother ..........

They Bite, Scratch, Claw..........

Go On WCN & See How Fags Treat Women In This Naked Arena .......

They Hate Women ..........

When I Lived In SF, I Thought I Arrived In Heaven ........

Woman Outnumbered Straight Men 10-1

Paradise ...........

 8)

There are only two people that I'm aware of that said Natalee dressed like a slut:

1.  Steve Youhas (admitted gay man)
2.  Deepak Kalpoe

Yeah Deepak who doesn't have a girlfriend :?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on March 06, 2007, 04:07:34 PM
WIDGE---sorry to hear that happened to your brother


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: msmarple on March 06, 2007, 04:08:32 PM
Quote from: "Patti"
Just cause I tried to hit a home run doesn't mean that I struck out.  I got
alot out of the posts written by Shango.  My own interpretation.  Now I
guess I'll just have to sit back and see what happens.

And Eat Crow!!!!
 :cry:  :cry:  :cry:


Patti - Hang in there.

The "older man she shared a meal with" and the mysterious "blue-eyed Dutch boy" are rumors planted by the dark side to support -

a) she ran away because she wanted to, and/or
b) she was a victim of an insurance scam that her family ran, and/or
c) she was abducted into the sex trade, and/or
d) she was a girl gone wild on a tropical isle.

(Among themselves, each has his/her own pet devious red herring.)

Anything but exposing the systematic victimization of tourists, which led to one incident that went terribly wrong.

Shango/Simian - It's just another mystery; everyone who reads them comes up with a different interpretation. I'm with Dave Holloway (whose book has an Appendix devoted to this). If whoever wrote this stuff has some helpful information, it would have been better to spell it out instead of creating more confusion.

There's actually a comic book series that has most of the same references (pre-dating this case). klaas probably has some of that filed away somewhere. A Marvel comic; probably can Google that.

And - Google "Yoruba." Shango is one of the Yoruba gods. You will find many familiar references.

Shango and Simian were not as original and creative as we initially thought. They plagarized.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: AZLady on March 06, 2007, 04:08:43 PM
Mr. Rudy Croes is certainly a busy man, what with his Ministerial duties and acting as project manager for a new development and all his other interests.  So busy...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 06, 2007, 04:09:37 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "San"

This is exactly why I think they are trying to confuse everyone because we don't have the right name.  Who knows it could be a combination of names from two different people. :roll:
The one person they can't seem to touch is Guido.  Guido had the best attorney that money can buy from day one.  Why.


San--a sensible monkey, if that's not a misnomer.  I'd like to know how Guido, a model and dealer of rather young age, was able to afford the retainer of such a high-powered attorney.  Who provided him the money for the retainer?  That would be interesting information, wouldn't it?

I would love to see the big money transactions going on in Aruba the first two weeks in June 2005.  Wasn't it said that the retainer was something like $1MM.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on March 06, 2007, 04:09:57 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "Leslie"
Law Firm of Croes, Wever, Tchong
http://tinyurl.com/385qdy
Hendrik Croes - former minister of Justice and brother of Rudy Croes and Betico Croes
and "corrupt" according to Arubagirl
http://tinyurl.com/2usmrb
Rudolf M. Wever died in February 2007
Rudy Croes is a part owner of Malmok Property Development
http://tinyurl.com/2jatgc


And, didn't I read that a customer of the Croes, Wever, Tchong firm is the Bank of Aruba?  The Croes and Wevers have their fingers in the financial pie of Aruba--all the way to the elbows.



i bet it goes alot further.....like all the way to Dubais....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 06, 2007, 04:10:31 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "San"

This is exactly why I think they are trying to confuse everyone because we don't have the right name.  Who knows it could be a combination of names from two different people. :roll:
The one person they can't seem to touch is Guido.  Guido had the best attorney that money can buy from day one.  Why.


San--a sensible monkey, if that's not a misnomer.  I'd like to know how Guido, a model and dealer of rather young age, was able to afford the retainer of such a high-powered attorney.  Who provided him the money for the retainer?  That would be interesting information, wouldn't it?

I would love to see the big money transactions going on in Aruba the first two weeks in June 2005.  Wasn't it said that the retainer was something like $1MM.

Meant to say BANK transactions.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 06, 2007, 04:11:14 PM
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
WIDGE---sorry to hear that happened to your brother


Thanks FOM ..............

He Was A Great Guy Who Loved Other Guys ...........

Died Of AIDS In '88

 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 06, 2007, 04:12:12 PM
Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Lorenzo van Rijn--son of deceased VW dealer and Astrid van Rijn; might be illegitimate son of PVDS (rumor).  Might have parties, be involved in drug trade.

Guido Wever--model and dealer at HI casino who left town shortly after Natalee disappeared; was briefly arrested in Holland in this case; lawyer proclaimed he was gay.  

No Lorenzo Wever, according to Aruban sources.


Well We Know Thats A Lie .............

 8)


WELL WIDGE IT IS HARD TO FIND nevermind ARREST A GUY  IF YOU CAN NOT DECIDE WHAT HIS FRIGGIN NAME IS......

This is exactly why I think they are trying to confuse everyone because we don't have the right name.  Who knows it could be a combination of names from two different people. :roll:
The one person they can't seem to touch is Guido.  Guido had the best attorney that money can buy from day one.  Why.


Hi San........... Great To See Ya ..............

It Seems His Family Have More Pull Than The Sloots ..............

Heavy Battery Still Looms Big On Police Report ...........

He Defintely Is Involved But Where Who Knows .................

 8)

Hi Widget good to see you also.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: AZLady on March 06, 2007, 04:12:24 PM
MsMarple, bravo, bravo.  You are a very patient and kind person.  My hat is off to you, with all sincerity.  This is not the first time I have admired your ability to rise above and restate the facts, over and over again.  Thank you.  My frustrations are showing today, and I think I will do some yard work to let off steam.  Talk to you all later.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 06, 2007, 04:13:12 PM
G'day Monkey mates
(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q263/Coonowrin/Gday.jpg)

Plenty of discussion here early this morning and it IS early even for me.

Looks like I will be needing this later :

(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q263/Coonowrin/broom.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: AZLady on March 06, 2007, 04:15:00 PM
I love ya all, Monkeys.  Tibro, thanks for sweeping up after me--I owe ya one.  My apologies if I've offended.  Let's keep the faith.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on March 06, 2007, 04:15:16 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
G'day Monkey mates
(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q263/Coonowrin/Gday.jpg)

Plenty of discussion here early this morning and it IS early even for me.

Looks like I will be needing this later :

(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q263/Coonowrin/broom.gif)



hey Tibs--2 nj sons said u had a cool pic of the eclipse from cape lighthouse?
funny...the weathermen here told us we would not be able to see it...lol
see what you get when u believe the media?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 06, 2007, 04:15:53 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
MsMarple, bravo, bravo.  You are a very patient and kind person.  My hat is off to you, with all sincerity.  This is not the first time I have admired your ability to rise above and restate the facts, over and over again.  Thank you.  My frustrations are showing today, and I think I will do some yard work to let off steam.  Talk to you all later.

Don't forget to come back.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on March 06, 2007, 04:16:59 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "AZLady"
MsMarple, bravo, bravo.  You are a very patient and kind person.  My hat is off to you, with all sincerity.  This is not the first time I have admired your ability to rise above and restate the facts, over and over again.  Thank you.  My frustrations are showing today, and I think I will do some yard work to let off steam.  Talk to you all later.

Don't forget to come back.


monkeys don't forget silly


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Patti on March 06, 2007, 04:17:48 PM
First I searched Robert Benson.  Found out that he was a mechanic that worked on Harley Davidson motorcycles, etc.  

Then I did some research on this Sergio Gomez and found out that he was decapitated, but more alarming to me was that he was a Columbian
Reporter that was murdered on 6/18/05 - less than a week after the search of the rocks area - THAT FREAKED ME OUT!

Then I found the stuff on Lorenzo.  I wrote down Lorenzo Wever - 27 years old - Koki but then it looks like I crossed Koki out.

Then I researched Lorenzo Van Rijn and found out that he was another
psycho.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: msmarple on March 06, 2007, 04:18:21 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
MsMarple, bravo, bravo.  You are a very patient and kind person.  My hat is off to you, with all sincerity.  This is not the first time I have admired your ability to rise above and restate the facts, over and over again.  Thank you.  My frustrations are showing today, and I think I will do some yard work to let off steam.  Talk to you all later.


AZ - you make me blush :oops: . But the yard work is probably a good idea!  (Another of my policies: walk away and take 40,000 breaths or so of fresh air.)

Patti has been fighting it out on the front line - as a Front Page poster - for a long time. She slaps down the trolls like a super hero. So I like her!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 06, 2007, 04:20:04 PM
msmarple That was a great summation.  If Natalee had done all the dark side accused her of she would have needed to be in Aruba three months and not three days.

AZLady It does get frustrating - I had a day yesterday where I got pretty riled up over Anita.

fom Hang in there for a second - I will repost that picture  It was beautiful


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on March 06, 2007, 04:20:46 PM
Quote from: "Patti"
First I searched Robert Benson.  Found out that he was a mechanic that worked on Harley Davidson motorcycles, etc.  

Then I did some research on this Sergio Gomez and found out that he was decapitated, but more alarming to me was that he was a Columbian
Reporter that was murdered on 6/18/05 - less than a week after the search of the rocks area - THAT FREAKED ME OUT!

Then I found the stuff on Lorenzo.  I wrote down Lorenzo Wever - 27 years old - Koki but then it looks like I crossed Koki out.

Then I researched Lorenzo Van Rijn and found out that he was another
psycho.
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again---glad u are up to sped Patti.....
glad to have you here


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 06, 2007, 04:20:48 PM
Quote from: "Patti"
First I searched Robert Benson.  Found out that he was a mechanic that worked on Harley Davidson motorcycles, etc.  

Then I did some research on this Sergio Gomez and found out that he was decapitated, but more alarming to me was that he was a Columbian
Reporter that was murdered on 6/18/05 - less than a week after the search of the rocks area - THAT FREAKED ME OUT!

Then I found the stuff on Lorenzo.  I wrote down Lorenzo Wever - 27 years old - Koki but then it looks like I crossed Koki out.

Then I researched Lorenzo Van Rijn and found out that he was another
psycho.

1.  Sergio Gomez was an incorrect report.  The person who was decapitated was Rene van Hjinegin (sp).  Rene worked at the refinery and his wife is in prison for killing him though many including myself wonder if she had help.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: robots on March 06, 2007, 04:20:48 PM
the missing shoes are in the mud  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 06, 2007, 04:20:58 PM
(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q263/Coonowrin/cook2_strip.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on March 06, 2007, 04:21:23 PM
Quote from: "robots"
the missing shoes are in the mud  8)




LMAO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on March 06, 2007, 04:22:33 PM
TIBS that is great--looks beautiful...don't know how we ALLLLLL missed it on cape cod tho!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on March 06, 2007, 04:23:25 PM
KLass....sending u a hug and a valium :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: msmarple on March 06, 2007, 04:23:32 PM
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"

hey Tibs--2 nj sons said u had a cool pic of the eclipse from cape lighthouse?
funny...the weathermen here told us we would not be able to see it...lol
see what you get when u believe the media?


FOM - The eclipse was to be visible for most of the Eastern part of the U.S. (I *think* that includes you?) If your weatherman said something different, it may have been because of an expected cloud cover. Or - your weatherman is a jerk!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: robots on March 06, 2007, 04:24:10 PM
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Quote from: "robots"
the missing shoes are in the mud  8)




LMAO



but they are  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 06, 2007, 04:24:32 PM
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
KLass....sending u a hug and a valium :roll:

A valium sounds good right about now, lol  :lol:  Too bad I don't have any!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on March 06, 2007, 04:25:07 PM
it was cloudy.........ms amrple....but someone got it over the lighthouse.....

Klass could do it in photobucket ..... :lol:


Title: Re: Cover up murder Visiblity team cameras in hotel rooms
Post by: dkpen on March 06, 2007, 04:26:21 PM
Quote from: "IBE"
Hi Sirensong Very early it was mentioned that one of the pimps' fathers was in the business of providing camera and other security devices, checking up on rooms in major hotels.

I don't know if this is the same father who ran the Visibility Team on the beach, around the hotels (and in them?) Put there was a pimp suspect related to that dad and was on the team for a while, underage.

I'd like Klaas to tell us the name of the pimps who's dad has the Visibility team and the name of the pimp who had the contract for the security cameras in the hotels. Was the pimp who was the deal at the casino and ran so fast to Holland, the son of the man running the camera or the son of the Visibility team.

It was said that a very famous star picture was taken naked, no known by her, and flashed all around by the pimps. This would have to come form cameras in the vents et al. This MO would go along with the fact to make it easier to film; lock into the cable there with a computer to record on disk or as streaming video somewhere on the internet.. plus with cell phones.

All these hotels had wifi built in and if the father of one ran the camera;he'd also know about the ins/outs of wifi; the son would know all the ins and out and then you have Depak the computer expert, Freddy the filmer, ?Joran the stud or producer, maybe the father the "producer/caster who gets to pick the girl and the boys pimp her for him.

Who know who might be in those rooms at the time..... elders? government officials? and we recipient to those? It could even be cabled to another room (maybe cable isn't what I want... I mean transmitted somehow in some media)

There had to be some reason Joran and Paulus had all that power with the monies/freedoms at the casinos.

Either that, or there might be a truism in the rumor there was a elder there at the Sloot home that night (a judge staying over?) or elders there for a poker party... so could be elders of the judiciary, police and govenment... a real reason for coverup if a American young tourist girl had just died a vew feet away in Joran's appartment from drugs being put into her drink on last night there... that they were also used to happening on the ie: girls drugged on their last night, rape, left on the beach, but this time "something went wrong"... hence panic, a coverup that used cronies, friends, favors, and some who didn't even know the whole story but helped and later came dead.

Elaine.. time for the peach drink???


you know, you and IBE may be right on this.

The Pimps sell tourist girls on their last night to other tourist clients for a price? They drug them and deliver them to their clients? They take them to a "House of Rave" where the girls are handed off for delievery?

20 other times. Only this time "something bad happened".

Security camera's are off in certain areas of the hotels?
CvC - viability team father own security cameras to hotels.
Quido helped with clients in casino's. They were the clients the Pimps found the girls for. The client's checked in with Quido at the casino's?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 06, 2007, 04:26:33 PM
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
TIBS that is great--looks beautiful...don't know how we ALLLLLL missed it on cape cod tho!


Well in these days of photoshop you do wonder at most of things you see in the media.  Amazing what they can do with lens filters, too.  How ever they achieved the effect it still makes a nice picture.   :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on March 06, 2007, 04:26:43 PM
ms. amrple????   i should be shot :oops:


sorry ms. m,arple

 :oops:  :oops:  :oops:

library closing soon
glad to have spent so much time with so many wonderful monkeys today

keep the faith


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: msmarple on March 06, 2007, 04:27:20 PM
klaas - wasn't Sergio Gomez indeed a journalist who disappeared, and as far as I know is still missing? Although I think that case is not connected to the NH case.

(I may not remember this correctly. Probably in the M&C thread.)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 06, 2007, 04:28:11 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Quote from: "robots"
the missing shoes are in the mud  8)


LMAO


but they are  8)

Full of blood from when Joran kicked Natalee.  JMO.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 06, 2007, 04:28:23 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
klaas - wasn't Sergio Gomez indeed a journalist who disappeared, and as far as I know is still missing? Although I think that case is not connected to the NH case.

(I may not remember this correctly. Probably in the M&C thread.)

Last I heard he was found.  I do not believe he is still missing, I also do not believe he has anything to do with this case.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on March 06, 2007, 04:29:41 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
klaas - wasn't Sergio Gomez indeed a journalist who disappeared, and as far as I know is still missing? Although I think that case is not connected to the NH case.

(I may not remember this correctly. Probably in the M&C thread.)



he disappeaed the day there was the shooting on the speed boat...his truck found "abandoned".....family had no clue
then reappeared days later....has not spoken of such speed boat chase since and as a result he continues to be alive

i am going


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 06, 2007, 04:33:04 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "msmarple"
klaas - wasn't Sergio Gomez indeed a journalist who disappeared, and as far as I know is still missing? Although I think that case is not connected to the NH case.

(I may not remember this correctly. Probably in the M&C thread.)

Last I heard he was found.  I do not believe he is still missing, I also do not believe he has anything to do with this case.

Was he in one piece :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Leslie on March 06, 2007, 04:38:07 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "Leslie"
Law Firm of Croes, Wever, Tchong
http://tinyurl.com/385qdy
Hendrik Croes - former minister of Justice and brother of Rudy Croes and Betico Croes
and "corrupt" according to Arubagirl
http://tinyurl.com/2usmrb
Rudolf M. Wever died in February 2007
Rudy Croes is a part owner of Malmok Property Development
http://tinyurl.com/2jatgc

And, didn't I read that a customer of the Croes, Wever, Tchong firm is the Bank of Aruba?  The Croes and Wevers have their fingers in the financial pie of Aruba--all the way to the elbows.

Mr. Rudolf M. (Rudy) Wever
Miembro di Hunta di Comisario di Banco Central di Aruba
Durante 1990-1994
Den su funcion como comisario nos a siña conoce sr. Wever como un persona capabel y amabel.  Su aporte como miembro di Hunta di Comisario lo keda semper altamente aprecia.  Nos ta desea su casa, yiunan y demas famia hopi forza durante e dianan difi cil aki.
Gerencia Banco Central di Aruba.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Leslie on March 06, 2007, 04:41:24 PM
Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
WIDGE---sorry to hear that happened to your brother

Thanks FOM ...He Was A Great Guy Who Loved Other Guys .....Died Of AIDS In '88

Widget, my older brother, Jim, died of AIDS in 1985.  I loved him and I still miss him.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 06, 2007, 04:46:19 PM
Quote from: "Leslie"
Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
WIDGE---sorry to hear that happened to your brother

Thanks FOM ...He Was A Great Guy Who Loved Other Guys .....Died Of AIDS In '88

Widget, my older brother, Jim, died of AIDS in 1985.  I loved him and I still miss him.

Sorry to hear about both your brothers.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 06, 2007, 04:50:33 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Leslie"
Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
WIDGE---sorry to hear that happened to your brother

Thanks FOM ...He Was A Great Guy Who Loved Other Guys .....Died Of AIDS In '88

Widget, my older brother, Jim, died of AIDS in 1985.  I loved him and I still miss him.

Sorry to hear about both your brothers.


Same from me also


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: dkpen on March 06, 2007, 04:52:24 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 6:06 pm
I ponder the evidence of sex and drugs with the father.
It was to hard for her and she could not handle the pressure



Hmmmmmmmm



In Greta's interview with Joran, Joran looked square into the camera and said something about wanting to be there for his father or proving something to his father. That's when I knew Paulus was truly involved, at that very moment.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 06, 2007, 04:54:28 PM
Monkeys - next page we will get the cage closing warning notice!!  :lol:  :lol:

Klaas What is the record number of views on a new thread before it is unlocked?

Also you mentioned a couple of days ago that Tom and Red may be opening registrations - I meant to ask what you meant at the time but was sidetracked.  How would it differ to how things are at present?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 06, 2007, 04:56:09 PM
Quote from: "dkpen"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 6:06 pm
I ponder the evidence of sex and drugs with the father.
It was to hard for her and she could not handle the pressure



Hmmmmmmmm



In Greta's interview with Joran, Joran looked square into the camera and said something about wanting to be there for his father or proving something to his father. That's when I knew Paulus was truly involved, at that very moment.


And Deepak saying "Not your own father" :evil:  :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 06, 2007, 04:56:46 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Monkeys - next page we will get the cage closing warning notice!!  :lol:  :lol:

Klaas What is the record number of views on a new thread before it is unlocked?
Also you mentioned a couple of days ago that Tom and Red may be opening registrations - I meant to ask what you meant at the time but was sidetracked.  How would it differ to how things are at present?

Not sure what you mean by record number of views on a locked thread?  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 06, 2007, 05:00:53 PM
Hi Monkeys, catching up on reading, so back and forth here. Leslie and Widget, sorry about your brothers. Aids is a terrible disease, I hope they find a cure soon.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 06, 2007, 05:01:35 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Monkeys - next page we will get the cage closing warning notice!!  :lol:  :lol:

Klaas What is the record number of views on a new thread before it is unlocked?
Also you mentioned a couple of days ago that Tom and Red may be opening registrations - I meant to ask what you meant at the time but was sidetracked.  How would it differ to how things are at present?

Not sure what you mean by record number of views on a locked thread?  :lol:


 Thought we were ready for a bit of nonsense .....
Notice there are always several views on the new cage thread before you unlock it and let us in.   Are they monkeys trying to get in early or just checking they are not missing something?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 06, 2007, 05:04:29 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Monkeys - next page we will get the cage closing warning notice!!  :lol:  :lol:

Klaas What is the record number of views on a new thread before it is unlocked?
Also you mentioned a couple of days ago that Tom and Red may be opening registrations - I meant to ask what you meant at the time but was sidetracked.  How would it differ to how things are at present?

Not sure what you mean by record number of views on a locked thread?  :lol:


 Thought we were ready for a bit of nonsense .....
Notice there are always several views on the new cage thread before you unlock it and let us in.   Are they monkeys trying to get in early or just checking they are not missing something?

I normally don't unlock the new thread until the current one reaches at least page 48 or 49.  I create the new thread when the current one is on page 44 or 45.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Sam on March 06, 2007, 05:07:35 PM
Hi Monkeys all,

For those who lost their brothers to aids, I am sorry to hear of your loss. To bad they did not love long enough for all the advances that have been made in that terrible disease.

Thie may have been mentioned on here recently but I have not seen it here. I originally read it from the crap site.

http://thenewdominion.com/?p=276

Interesting that Chris Graham finally interviewed Beth.

There was something else I was going to comment on but my sometimers has got to me I guess. Now will have to read back and see what it was. Oh I know someone has probably already answered it by now. Klaas you know how the next LCD is listed before it is ever opened. Some of are dummies and click on it before it is open . A view. LOL
 :bball:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 06, 2007, 05:16:58 PM
A picture of Joran when being interviewed by the specialists brought from Holland, that came to Aruba to crack this case  (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j191/meerlyhere/earsplugged.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Sam on March 06, 2007, 05:18:18 PM
I do not see Lala on but here is a little Shango

The rule of the Arawak King is the Final word.

DirtyHand has fouled the air for all nearby, but the Arawak Nation will claim Babylonian Authority prevents them from hunting Lions, and DirtyHand.

But the Arawak king controls destiny of all. The Arawak king has DirtyHands and DirtyFeet. If he is to reign anew, he cannot be soiled more.

The babylonians have ruled the Arawak Nation through deception and stealth, and their charges, the Arawaks, speak now with the same forked tongue, on behalf of their king.

The gift the cowboys ask of the king of the Arawak Nation is a mere trifle.

All ye who sing in the cyber-chorus lower your voices not!

It has been proven that the lamb, the shivas, and the elders are not the breach in Arawak Armour!

Let us hunt Lions, The King, and Dirty Hand.

The lions pace silently in the bush, while the king seeks pleasures with his concubines.

Threadsurfers! What is sought is not hidden.

The Lamb and the elder are not the keystone in the Arch of Corruption.

Seek ye DirtyHand and the Fetid Arawak King who wishes to blame the babylonians for the behaviour of lowly minions.

If the head of the beast is in plain view it is folly to attack protected flanks.

Threadsurfers, DirtyHand is more vulnerable than the Arawak King and your lances should point in his direction.

He is the weak link, if he tumbles, all fall with him….. The lamb, the shivas, the elder

In the talk of a king has anyone ever wondered if this could be Ben King who changed his name to King from ? Or could it be Hugo Chavez.

In my memory it seems that Aruba was settled by a lot of Venezuelans. Just a thought


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 06, 2007, 05:20:01 PM
Hi Sam some days I have to write notes as I read through!

Elaine That is a true picture.  How could he get away with not answering..... can think of a few methods where he would be glad to talk  :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 06, 2007, 05:22:56 PM
Quote from: "Sam"
I do not see Lala on but here is a little Shango

The rule of the Arawak King is the Final word.

{edited}

In the talk of a king has anyone ever wondered if this could be Ben King who changed his name to King from ? Or could it be Hugo Chavez.

In my memory it seems that Aruba was settled by a lot of Venezuelans. Just a thought

Sam, when I read this he was the first person I thought of.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on March 06, 2007, 05:23:49 PM
Hi everyone :smt039 ...I finally got logged in..this was the first time I tried today though.Yesterday I tried several times but kept getting kicked out.

What's up?Anything new? :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 06, 2007, 05:25:26 PM
Quote from: "Sam"
Hi Monkeys all,

For those who lost their brothers to aids, I am sorry to hear of your loss. To bad they did not love long enough for all the advances that have been made in that terrible disease.

Thie may have been mentioned on here recently but I have not seen it here. I originally read it from the crap site.

http://thenewdominion.com/?p=276

Interesting that Chris Graham finally interviewed Beth.

There was something else I was going to comment on but my sometimers has got to me I guess. Now will have to read back and see what it was. Oh I know someone has probably already answered it by now. Klaas you know how the next LCD is listed before it is ever opened. Some of are dummies and click on it before it is open . A view. LOL
 :bball:
The truest part of that article = They are not looking at any other suspects. The three are it. ....Some would want us to buy the notion that J2K are not the main suspects. YES THEY ARE!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 06, 2007, 05:26:28 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Joran, Fakkel and Jimmy - from Joran's old Myspace site:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/PimpJoranPhoto-1.jpg)

Fakkel and Jimmy - from Fakkel's current MSN Spaces site:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/PimpPhoto-1.jpg)

Cartoon - from Fakkel's current MSN Spaces site - please excuse the language in the cartoon but I need to post as is so you can see how these people think:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/CartoonJoranFriend-1.jpg)

Fakkel's current MSN Spaces link - Some of the drawings are inappropriate and would be rated "R" - do not open this link if you are at work:

http://smallzlilspace.spaces.live.com/


GEL - I posted this a few pages back.  Thought the cartoon was rather interresting.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 06, 2007, 05:27:32 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Hi Sam some days I have to write notes as I read through!

Elaine That is a true picture.  How could he get away with not answering..... can think of a few methods where he would be glad to talk  :evil:
Tibro, you and I both! :smt076


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Sam on March 06, 2007, 05:28:27 PM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Hi everyone :smt039 ...I finally got logged in..this was the first time I tried today though.Yesterday I tried several times but kept getting kicked out.

What's up?Anything new? :)


HI Greeneyedlady, i could not get in by way of Aol for a couple of days. Had to use Internet explorer but now I am here by way of aol.


San I have wondered about Ben King for along time. Plus he was the one who was there when the Sloot search warrant was done.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 06, 2007, 05:31:24 PM
Quote from: "Sam"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Hi everyone :smt039 ...I finally got logged in..this was the first time I tried today though.Yesterday I tried several times but kept getting kicked out.

What's up?Anything new? :)


HI Greeneyedlady, i could not get in by way of Aol for a couple of days. Had to use Internet explorer but now I am here by way of aol.


San I have wondered about Ben King for along time. Plus he was the one who was there when the Sloot search warrant was done.

Yes he was Sam along with Judge Bob Wit.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 06, 2007, 05:36:28 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Sam"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Hi everyone :smt039 ...I finally got logged in..this was the first time I tried today though.Yesterday I tried several times but kept getting kicked out.

What's up?Anything new? :)


HI Greeneyedlady, i could not get in by way of Aol for a couple of days. Had to use Internet explorer but now I am here by way of aol.


San I have wondered about Ben King for along time. Plus he was the one who was there when the Sloot search warrant was done.

Yes he was Sam along with Judge Bob Wit.
Yes, Ben King and Bob Wit just happened to be there for the search...how covenient. Aruba sucks!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Sam on March 06, 2007, 05:36:39 PM
Klaas, I am so surprised by that cartoon. Jorans friends? Now I am going to click the link.


Off topic, Today I ordered Disney tickets for a grandaughter. My confirmation was SHIT and a bunch of numbers. Sort of strange to come from Disney. Must be some sort of computer foul. Son always says garbage in garbage out.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on March 06, 2007, 05:37:07 PM
Hi Sam and Klaas!

Klaas who are those boys Fakkel and Jimmy?
I've never seen this before,tis interesting.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 06, 2007, 05:39:10 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/threadlock.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 06, 2007, 05:39:41 PM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Hi Sam and Klaas!

Klaas who are those boys Fakkel and Jimmy?
I've never seen this before,tis interesting.

They are or were friends of Joran.  They may have gone to school with him.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: dkpen on March 06, 2007, 05:40:27 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "San"

This is exactly why I think they are trying to confuse everyone because we don't have the right name.  Who knows it could be a combination of names from two different people. :roll:
The one person they can't seem to touch is Guido.  Guido had the best attorney that money can buy from day one.  Why.


San--a sensible monkey, if that's not a misnomer.  I'd like to know how Guido, a model and dealer of rather young age, was able to afford the retainer of such a high-powered attorney.  Who provided him the money for the retainer?  That would be interesting information, wouldn't it?

I would love to see the big money transactions going on in Aruba the first two weeks in June 2005.  Wasn't it said that the retainer was something like $1MM.


hahaha wouldn't that be awsome if someone from IRS went to audit Aruba and every single business there from 2004-2007 and maybe even further. Talk about a field day and what they'd uncover.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on March 06, 2007, 05:41:38 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Hi Sam and Klaas!

Klaas who are those boys Fakkel and Jimmy?
I've never seen this before,tis interesting.

They are or were friends of Joran.  They may have gone to school with him.


OK..I was wondering because they look so young.I haven't clicked the link...should I? :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on March 06, 2007, 05:42:52 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Widget - I'm not 100% sure of anything in this case.  I will say that I searched everthing I could and found no Lorenzo Wever in Aruba.  That does not mean that someone couldn't have a nickname of Lorenzo though.  That said, I still believe there are 2 separate people:

Guido Wever (who I do believe is gay)
Lorenzo Van Rijn (who I still would like to know why he's being protected)

And, I would like to add that Guido Wever claims in court documents to have had MORE than platonic relationship with Joran.


This is an interesting post Klaas , I wasn't aware of this. That said, I have noticed many weird and confusing posts starting on roughly page 40.  :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 06, 2007, 05:43:13 PM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Hi Sam and Klaas!

Klaas who are those boys Fakkel and Jimmy?
I've never seen this before,tis interesting.

They are or were friends of Joran.  They may have gone to school with him.


OK..I was wondering because they look so young.I haven't clicked the link...should I? :lol:

It's fine unless you are at work.  Some of his "cartoon drawings" are "R" rated.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 06, 2007, 05:44:32 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Joran, Fakkel and Jimmy - from Joran's old Myspace site:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/PimpJoranPhoto-1.jpg)

Fakkel and Jimmy - from Fakkel's current MSN Spaces site:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/PimpPhoto-1.jpg)

Cartoon - from Fakkel's current MSN Spaces site - please excuse the language in the cartoon but I need to post as is so you can see how these people think:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/CartoonJoranFriend-1.jpg)

Fakkel's current MSN Spaces link - Some of the drawings are inappropriate and would be rated "R" - do not open this link if you are at work:

http://smallzlilspace.spaces.live.com/


GEL - I posted this a few pages back.  Thought the cartoon was rather interresting.
Very interesting indeed. I looked at all 19 of his "drawings". A lot of sex, drugs and booze, and basically belittling women, yep, that is the mindset on one crappy island.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 06, 2007, 05:45:05 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Widget - I'm not 100% sure of anything in this case.  I will say that I searched everthing I could and found no Lorenzo Wever in Aruba.  That does not mean that someone couldn't have a nickname of Lorenzo though.  That said, I still believe there are 2 separate people:

Guido Wever (who I do believe is gay)
Lorenzo Van Rijn (who I still would like to know why he's being protected)

And, I would like to add that Guido Wever claims in court documents to have had MORE than platonic relationship with Joran.


This is an interesting post Klaas , I wasn't aware of this. That said, I have noticed many weird and confusing posts starting on roughly page 40.  :evil:

When PVDS first went to court for damages, not this last time...it came out in court that Guido had admitted to a relationship with Joran.  I'm assuming it is from Guido's suspect or witness statements.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Cat on March 06, 2007, 05:47:05 PM
i do know there is a lot of illegal money funding aruba,both from the america's and Europe.Corruption is the name of the game.I think a lot of people know,and I have doubts about guido' s gayness.I also note that I am trying not to offend,but the case involves some people who don't want to be known as drug dealers and money launderers.Cat   The Van Cromfelt's are the visibilty team people and could get you a Valium.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 06, 2007, 05:49:55 PM
Quote from: "Cat"
i do know there is a lot of illegal money funding aruba,both from the america's and Europe.Corruption is the name of the game.I think a lot of people know,and I have doubts about guido' s gayness.I also note that I am trying not to offend,but the case involves some people who don't want to be known as drug dealers and money launderers.Cat   The Van Cromfelt's are the visibilty team people and could get you a Valium.

Good points Cat.  I do believe Guido is gay though, at least Bi


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 06, 2007, 05:50:52 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Hi Sam and Klaas!

Klaas who are those boys Fakkel and Jimmy?
I've never seen this before,tis interesting.

They are or were friends of Joran.  They may have gone to school with him.


And for someone who does not drink or do drugs (according to his doting and demented mother) Joran sure looks wasted.  :evil:  :evil:

bb It has been an interesting morning.  Had to drag the broom out earlier than usual.

Monkeys For those that have not visited the lounge yet, Tylergal posted an article in the prayers thread from a lass that was trapped in the High School from the Tornado.  Makes you think and be thankful for a lot of things[/b]


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: sandy leiva on March 06, 2007, 05:51:50 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Hi Sam and Klaas!

Klaas who are those boys Fakkel and Jimmy?
I've never seen this before,tis interesting.

They are or were friends of Joran.  They may have gone to school with him.


Hi monkeys
working and lurking, I saw Valentjin Jorans brother in one of those pictures.  Oh and when I was reading back someone wanted translation for the man found dead in his home.  The ale or polis claim it was of natural causes.  How they know that without an autopsey is totally beyond me.  All adults lie -says Nadira.  

Just my opinion but i remember depak telling Joran you sot in trouble for that.  It was made in reference to Joran passing Natalee off to the elders.  Seemed like heJoran was supposed to deliver a virgin, and they the elders were upset that joran had touched and played with the merchandise.  But i think with paulus involvement -maybe joran was taking the rap for the father.  I always believed pvds was alot more involved than just disposing of the body.  I think he was in a video with nat as he raped her with his mask on.  Tho body of that man was that of an older man not a youngster.  I dont know who has the clip from the video but if someone does can it be reposted.  There was also a picture of joran in a white suv, laughing over the dry bones of a person half out of the blowing sand.  I remember it incensed me to no end to have that photo on the net as if it was making fun without a care for the victem.  Anyone have it.  thanks in advance. sl


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on March 06, 2007, 05:52:13 PM
I think Guido is much more involved in this than has been said.Also I've thought that the white car that was "annoyingly chasing" Deepak's car the night Natalee disappeared was Guido's white car.I find it very strange that he'd just got that brand new white car and went off to Holland earlier than was supposed to and left that new car behind.It wasn't like his parents didn't have the $$$ to have it shipped for hom.
Also found it strange when one of the the charges on Guido were expressed as 'heavy battery"I always wondered where that came from.I mean how would someone know that it was heavy battery without seeing a beaten Natalee or an eyewitness?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Sam on March 06, 2007, 05:54:35 PM
Hi Elaine, Bleached and Cat, Just want you to know I am not ignoring you.

I loooked at that link. Lots of pure crap. Who is Hiram Vrolijk? Why does that name sound familar?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 06, 2007, 05:54:38 PM
Quote from: "sandy leiva"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Hi Sam and Klaas!

Klaas who are those boys Fakkel and Jimmy?
I've never seen this before,tis interesting.

They are or were friends of Joran.  They may have gone to school with him.


Hi monkeys
working and lurking, I saw Valentjin Jorans brother in one of those pictures.  Oh and when I was reading back someone wanted translation for the man found dead in his home.  The ale or polis claim it was of natural causes.  How they know that without an autopsey is totally beyond me.  All adults lie -says Nadira.  

Just my opinion but i remember depak telling Joran you sot in trouble for that.  It was made in reference to Joran passing Natalee off to the elders.  Seemed like heJoran was supposed to deliver a virgin, and they the elders were upset that joran had touched and played with the merchandise.  But i think with paulus involvement -maybe joran was taking the rap for the father.  I always believed pvds was alot more involved than just disposing of the body.  I think he was in a video with nat as he raped her with his mask on.  Tho body of that man was that of an older man not a youngster.  I dont know who has the clip from the video but if someone does can it be reposted.  There was also a picture of joran in a white suv, laughing over the dry bones of a person half out of the blowing sand.  I remember it incensed me to no end to have that photo on the net as if it was making fun without a care for the victem.  Anyone have it.  thanks in advance. sl


Sandy - that picture of Joran and the bones was a fake, a photoshopped picture.  It's one of many from a dutch website.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 06, 2007, 05:56:20 PM
While looking for the screen shots of the video I came accross this again.  Just a reminder  :lol:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/JuliaWitch.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 06, 2007, 05:59:42 PM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
I think Guido is much more involved in this than has been said.Also I've thought that the white car that was "annoyingly chasing" Deepak's car the night Natalee disappeared was Guido's white car.I find it very strange that he'd just got that brand new white car and went off to Holland earlier than was supposed to and left that new car behind.It wasn't like his parents didn't have the $$$ to have it shipped for hom.
Also found it strange when one of the the charges on Guido were expressed as 'heavy battery"I always wondered where that came from.I mean how would someone know that it was heavy battery without seeing a beaten Natalee or an eyewitness?
I think the white car was Guido's. I also think that when the facts come out about this case, we will learn that prosecution has more knowledge of what really happened....IMO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on March 06, 2007, 06:00:09 PM
Hi Elaine,I guess if Klaas says that they are rated R I'll wait and click the link later.My 13 year old is right here doing home work...and as soon as something like that pops on TV or anywhere else they are all eyes...lol
I will be sure to check it out later tho.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: igsigs on March 06, 2007, 06:01:41 PM
IIRC, it was at the last J2K court hearing (suspect status) that we heard about the Guido/Joran relationship.

Interesting that Guido was a hot topic in a court decision that went against J2K.

Guido is relevant, IMO.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 06, 2007, 06:02:30 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
While looking for the screen shots of the video I came accross this again.  Just a reminder  :lol:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/JuliaWitch.gif)
What a bag of hot air she is! LMAO  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on March 06, 2007, 06:02:43 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
I think Guido is much more involved in this than has been said.Also I've thought that the white car that was "annoyingly chasing" Deepak's car the night Natalee disappeared was Guido's white car.I find it very strange that he'd just got that brand new white car and went off to Holland earlier than was supposed to and left that new car behind.It wasn't like his parents didn't have the $$$ to have it shipped for hom.
Also found it strange when one of the the charges on Guido were expressed as 'heavy battery"I always wondered where that came from.I mean how would someone know that it was heavy battery without seeing a beaten Natalee or an eyewitness?
I think the white car was Guido's. I also think that when the facts come out about this case, we will learn that prosecution has more knowledge of what really happened....IMO


I agree with you on that.I have always thought Beth knows a lot more than she can say too.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 06, 2007, 06:04:24 PM
Sandy - is this what you were looking for?  This is the enhanced screen shot from the video that was playing in Deepak's car when he and Joran were with Bailey Ann and Alyse:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/deepakcarmovie6.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/deepakcarmovie4head.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 06, 2007, 06:05:05 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
IIRC, it was at the last J2K court hearing (suspect status) that we heard about the Guido/Joran relationship.

Interesting that Guido was a hot topic in a court decision that went against J2K.

Guido is relevant, IMO.

Igsigs - I agree


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Sam on March 06, 2007, 06:05:44 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
I think Guido is much more involved in this than has been said.Also I've thought that the white car that was "annoyingly chasing" Deepak's car the night Natalee disappeared was Guido's white car.I find it very strange that he'd just got that brand new white car and went off to Holland earlier than was supposed to and left that new car behind.It wasn't like his parents didn't have the $$$ to have it shipped for hom.
Also found it strange when one of the the charges on Guido were expressed as 'heavy battery"I always wondered where that came from.I mean how would someone know that it was heavy battery without seeing a beaten Natalee or an eyewitness?
I think the white car was Guido's. I also think that when the facts come out about this case, we will learn that prosecution has more knowledge of what really happened....IMO


Green eyed lady , do not open that link when your child is sitting there.

Elaine I just am so impatient. We have waited so long already I hate to think of waiting until end of May.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 06, 2007, 06:05:56 PM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Hi Elaine,I guess if Klaas says that they are rated R I'll wait and click the link later.My 13 year old is right here doing home work...and as soon as something like that pops on TV or anywhere else they are all eyes...lol
I will be sure to check it out later tho.

Yes - wait until your 13yr old isn't around  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on March 06, 2007, 06:06:12 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
IIRC, it was at the last J2K court hearing (suspect status) that we heard about the Guido/Joran relationship.

Interesting that Guido was a hot topic in a court decision that went against J2K.

Guido is relevant, IMO.


Hey there iggy(I hope it's ok to call you that)-good to see ya.I think you and I belong to all of the same boards now that I'm a monkey now! :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: dkpen on March 06, 2007, 06:06:50 PM
Joran's recent MySpace:

Not sure if this is the real Joran or someone else creating it but thought I'd post a link for anyone who wishes to see it.  I find it interesting he has "Ballin' Boys" as a header to his MySpace.  Since we were speaking about Guido and Joran having a relationship and all that.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 06, 2007, 06:08:04 PM
Quote from: "dkpen"
Joran's recent MySpace:

Not sure if this is the real Joran or someone else creating it but thought I'd post a link for anyone who wishes to see it.  I find it interesting he has "Ballin' Boys" as a header to his MySpace.  Since we were speaking about Guido and Joran having a relationship and all that.

Do you have the link?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 06, 2007, 06:08:10 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
I think Guido is much more involved in this than has been said.Also I've thought that the white car that was "annoyingly chasing" Deepak's car the night Natalee disappeared was Guido's white car.I find it very strange that he'd just got that brand new white car and went off to Holland earlier than was supposed to and left that new car behind.It wasn't like his parents didn't have the $$$ to have it shipped for hom.
Also found it strange when one of the the charges on Guido were expressed as 'heavy battery"I always wondered where that came from.I mean how would someone know that it was heavy battery without seeing a beaten Natalee or an eyewitness?
I think the white car was Guido's. I also think that when the facts come out about this case, we will learn that prosecution has more knowledge of what really happened....IMO


I agree that they would have a lot more knowledge and evidence.  What are they waiting for?  They have had more than enough time to string the perverts up for this.
I would also like to read Beth's book of notes - would believe it over anything ALE produced.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: dkpen on March 06, 2007, 06:08:39 PM
Quote from: "dkpen"
Joran's recent MySpace:

Not sure if this is the real Joran or someone else creating it but thought I'd post a link for anyone who wishes to see it.  I find it interesting he has "Ballin' Boys" as a header to his MySpace.  Since we were speaking about Guido and Joran having a relationship and all that.


Oops...forgot the link.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=88422124


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: igsigs on March 06, 2007, 06:08:50 PM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Quote from: "igsigs"
IIRC, it was at the last J2K court hearing (suspect status) that we heard about the Guido/Joran relationship.

Interesting that Guido was a hot topic in a court decision that went against J2K.

Guido is relevant, IMO.


Hey there iggy(I hope it's ok to call you that)-good to see ya.I think you and I belong to all of the same boards now that I'm a monkey now! :D

 :lol:

2 peas in a pod...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on March 06, 2007, 06:09:04 PM
now that I'm a monkey now...lol..Sam I know about being impatient,but we have been here all these months so I can wait a little longer,I just hope that it's a wait worth while..and I think it will be.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 06, 2007, 06:09:44 PM
Quote from: "dkpen"
Quote from: "dkpen"
Joran's recent MySpace:

Not sure if this is the real Joran or someone else creating it but thought I'd post a link for anyone who wishes to see it.  I find it interesting he has "Ballin' Boys" as a header to his MySpace.  Since we were speaking about Guido and Joran having a relationship and all that.


Oops...forgot the link.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=88422124

Yeah hard to tell if that's for real or a fake.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 06, 2007, 06:10:37 PM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
now that I'm a monkey now...lol..Sam I know about being impatient,but we have been here all these months so I can wait a little longer,I just hope that it's a wait worth while..and I think it will be.

I figure if the family can wait so can I.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 06, 2007, 06:11:33 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Cat"
i do know there is a lot of illegal money funding aruba,both from the america's and Europe.Corruption is the name of the game.I think a lot of people know,and I have doubts about guido' s gayness.I also note that I am trying not to offend,but the case involves some people who don't want to be known as drug dealers and money launderers.Cat   The Van Cromfelt's are the visibilty team people and could get you a Valium.

Good points Cat.  I do believe Guido is gay though, at least Bi

He goes both ways.  Not that it matters because I could care less what his preference is.  But the fact that it was mentioned a few times bothers me.  The first time it was used was by his very famous lawyer trying to get his client off on charges.  Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe he stated that his client feared going to prison in Aruba because he is gay.  So it is OK to be gay in Aruba as long as you don't go to prison and they find out.  That is the biggest BS I have heard.  I believe Jamie mentiones something about Guido in one of his statements that he is strange.  Big deal if he is gay.

My personal opinion is that they are trying to say Guido is gay and he doesn't have an interest in having sex with women.  Are they trying to say this because Guido also raped Natalee and they are trying to say he could not have because he is not interested in women.

I hope I am making sense with this.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on March 06, 2007, 06:12:24 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Quote from: "igsigs"
IIRC, it was at the last J2K court hearing (suspect status) that we heard about the Guido/Joran relationship.

Interesting that Guido was a hot topic in a court decision that went against J2K.

Guido is relevant, IMO.


Hey there iggy(I hope it's ok to call you that)-good to see ya.I think you and I belong to all of the same boards now that I'm a monkey now! :D

 :lol:

2 peas in a pod...


Where's your avatar?I'm thinking about getting Klaas to bring out the monkey with angel wings and use it here...did you see it?She is a real cute monkey-angel too.

Klaas do you still have the monkey with the angel wings?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 06, 2007, 06:12:57 PM
Refugees finally found my comparison and don't particulary care for it.  Go figure.  :D

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/GrantSlootcopy.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 06, 2007, 06:12:58 PM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
I think Guido is much more involved in this than has been said.Also I've thought that the white car that was "annoyingly chasing" Deepak's car the night Natalee disappeared was Guido's white car.I find it very strange that he'd just got that brand new white car and went off to Holland earlier than was supposed to and left that new car behind.It wasn't like his parents didn't have the $$$ to have it shipped for hom.
Also found it strange when one of the the charges on Guido were expressed as 'heavy battery"I always wondered where that came from.I mean how would someone know that it was heavy battery without seeing a beaten Natalee or an eyewitness?
I think the white car was Guido's. I also think that when the facts come out about this case, we will learn that prosecution has more knowledge of what really happened....IMO


I agree with you on that.I have always thought Beth knows a lot more than she can say too.


Hi gel used to read your posts at RWV - I never posted there, just read for information.  Have only felt comfortable wanting to post here at SM.
Yes I am sure Beth knows more and that is probably the only reason she can cope with all the garbage and insults that were flung at her, and is just biding her time.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 06, 2007, 06:14:08 PM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Quote from: "igsigs"
IIRC, it was at the last J2K court hearing (suspect status) that we heard about the Guido/Joran relationship.

Interesting that Guido was a hot topic in a court decision that went against J2K.

Guido is relevant, IMO.


Hey there iggy(I hope it's ok to call you that)-good to see ya.I think you and I belong to all of the same boards now that I'm a monkey now! :D

 :lol:

2 peas in a pod...


Where's your avatar?I'm thinking about getting Klaas to bring out the monkey with angel wings and use it here...did you see it?She is a real cute monkey-angel too.

Klaas do you still have the monkey with the angel wings?


This one?  :lol:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/chimpwings.jpg)

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/chimpwings.jpg


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 06, 2007, 06:15:33 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Cat"
i do know there is a lot of illegal money funding aruba,both from the america's and Europe.Corruption is the name of the game.I think a lot of people know,and I have doubts about guido' s gayness.I also note that I am trying not to offend,but the case involves some people who don't want to be known as drug dealers and money launderers.Cat   The Van Cromfelt's are the visibilty team people and could get you a Valium.

Good points Cat.  I do believe Guido is gay though, at least Bi

He goes both ways.  Not that it matters because I could care less what his preference is.  But the fact that it was mentioned a few times bothers me.  The first time it was used was by his very famous lawyer trying to get his client off on charges.  Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe he stated that his client feared going to prison in Aruba because he is gay.  So it is OK to be gay in Aruba as long as you don't go to prison and they find out.  That is the biggest BS I have heard.  I believe Jamie mentiones something about Guido in one of his statements that he is strange.  Big deal if he is gay.

My personal opinion is that they are trying to say Guido is gay and he doesn't have an interest in having sex with women.  Are they trying to say this because Guido also raped Natalee and they are trying to say he could not have because he is not interested in women.

I hope I am making sense with this.


You are making perfect sense.  RAPE has nothing to do with sex.  It's all about POWER.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: igsigs on March 06, 2007, 06:16:25 PM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Where's your avatar?

You asked for it...

 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 06, 2007, 06:17:09 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Cat"
i do know there is a lot of illegal money funding aruba,both from the america's and Europe.Corruption is the name of the game.I think a lot of people know,and I have doubts about guido' s gayness.I also note that I am trying not to offend,but the case involves some people who don't want to be known as drug dealers and money launderers.Cat   The Van Cromfelt's are the visibilty team people and could get you a Valium.

Good points Cat.  I do believe Guido is gay though, at least Bi

He goes both ways.  Not that it matters because I could care less what his preference is.  But the fact that it was mentioned a few times bothers me.  The first time it was used was by his very famous lawyer trying to get his client off on charges.  Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe he stated that his client feared going to prison in Aruba because he is gay.  So it is OK to be gay in Aruba as long as you don't go to prison and they find out.  That is the biggest BS I have heard.  I believe Jamie mentiones something about Guido in one of his statements that he is strange.  Big deal if he is gay.

My personal opinion is that they are trying to say Guido is gay and he doesn't have an interest in having sex with women.  Are they trying to say this because Guido also raped Natalee and they are trying to say he could not have because he is not interested in women.

I hope I am making sense with this.


You are making perfect sense.  RAPE has nothing to do with sex.  It's all about POWER.


And they are all so perverted it does not matter how or with whom they achieve that power.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 06, 2007, 06:17:38 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Where's your avatar?

You asked for it...

 8)
LOL  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 06, 2007, 06:18:13 PM
Quote from: "dkpen"
Joran's recent MySpace:

Not sure if this is the real Joran or someone else creating it but thought I'd post a link for anyone who wishes to see it.  I find it interesting he has "Ballin' Boys" as a header to his MySpace.  Since we were speaking about Guido and Joran having a relationship and all that.

He is doing that on purpose.  He knows people are looking at his account.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 06, 2007, 06:19:58 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Refugees finally found my comparison and don't particulary care for it.  Go figure.  :D

For the Refugees :smt097  :smt098


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on March 06, 2007, 06:20:13 PM
Hi Tib..I know what you mean about being comfortable posting in one place.I felt that way too,til Dan shut us down for a few weeks last year.I then went to RU,after that experience I figured if I could post there I could post most anywhere...lol..they'll toughen you up there in a hurry.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on March 06, 2007, 06:21:29 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Where's your avatar?

You asked for it...

 8)


I'm sorry I did...please take it away...that's not even funny!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: robots on March 06, 2007, 06:21:59 PM
Guido is UP to his NECK in this


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 06, 2007, 06:23:20 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Refugees finally found my comparison and don't particulary care for it.  Go figure.  :D

For the Refugees :smt097  :smt098


They are slow catching up over there..... or is that +++++++?? :smt096  :smt093


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on March 06, 2007, 06:24:13 PM
Thanks Klaas,I'm all monkey now. :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 06, 2007, 06:26:30 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Guido is UP to his NECK in this

He certainly is robots :smt021


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 06, 2007, 06:27:34 PM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Hi Tib..I know what you mean about being comfortable posting in one place.I felt that way too,til Dan shut us down for a few weeks last year.I then went to RU,after that experience I figured if I could post there I could post most anywhere...lol..they'll toughen you up there in a hurry.


Yes Dan certainly freaked out last year.  Spoiled a good board and lost the best of his posters.  I do not visit refugees - it wastes too much water as I always need a shower after reading there  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 06, 2007, 06:27:54 PM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Thanks Klaas,I'm all monkey now. :wink:

GEL - no need to change your clothes!  I loved your normal avatar.  I just did that one a kind of a joke (although you do look cute)   :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on March 06, 2007, 06:28:49 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "robots"
Guido is UP to his NECK in this

He certainly is robots :smt021


I've pretty well figured that all of the ones that were arrested after J2K were somehow involved in this..or they know something for sure!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 06, 2007, 06:30:05 PM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
I think Guido is much more involved in this than has been said.Also I've thought that the white car that was "annoyingly chasing" Deepak's car the night Natalee disappeared was Guido's white car.I find it very strange that he'd just got that brand new white car and went off to Holland earlier than was supposed to and left that new car behind.It wasn't like his parents didn't have the $$$ to have it shipped for hom.
Also found it strange when one of the the charges on Guido were expressed as 'heavy battery"I always wondered where that came from.I mean how would someone know that it was heavy battery without seeing a beaten Natalee or an eyewitness?
I think the white car was Guido's. I also think that when the facts come out about this case, we will learn that prosecution has more knowledge of what really happened....IMO


I agree with you on that.I have always thought Beth knows a lot more than she can say too.


Could It Be That Guido Made The Bad Thing Happen That Night .........

Maybe Even By Running Natalee Over With His Car ..........

What Evidence Did They Have To Produce A HEAVY Battery Charge

Against Guido .........

Maybe Guidos Car Had The Answers ...........

 :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on March 06, 2007, 06:30:17 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Thanks Klaas,I'm all monkey now. :wink:

GEL - no need to change your clothes!  I loved your normal avatar.  I just did that one a kind of a joke (although you do look cute)   :lol:


Hey I like it..and don't you think it's appropriate for here? :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 06, 2007, 06:31:00 PM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Thanks Klaas,I'm all monkey now. :wink:

GEL - no need to change your clothes!  I loved your normal avatar.  I just did that one a kind of a joke (although you do look cute)   :lol:


Hey I like it..and don't you think it's appropriate for here? :wink:

 :wink:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 06, 2007, 06:31:40 PM
If KJ knew this information about Paulus picking up Joran and Natalee at 4:00 am this would give her reason to pull his phone records that night.  I wonder if that is part of the evidence she has in her file against Paulus.  I have always said if they pulled his records this case would have been solved already.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on March 06, 2007, 06:33:33 PM
Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
I think Guido is much more involved in this than has been said.Also I've thought that the white car that was "annoyingly chasing" Deepak's car the night Natalee disappeared was Guido's white car.I find it very strange that he'd just got that brand new white car and went off to Holland earlier than was supposed to and left that new car behind.It wasn't like his parents didn't have the $$$ to have it shipped for hom.
Also found it strange when one of the the charges on Guido were expressed as 'heavy battery"I always wondered where that came from.I mean how would someone know that it was heavy battery without seeing a beaten Natalee or an eyewitness?
I think the white car was Guido's. I also think that when the facts come out about this case, we will learn that prosecution has more knowledge of what really happened....IMO


I agree with you on that.I have always thought Beth knows a lot more than she can say too.


Could It Be That Guido Made The Bad Thing Happen That Night .........

Maybe Even By Running Natalee Over With His Car ..........

What Evidence Did They Have To Produce A HEAVY Battery Charge

Against Guido .........

Maybe Guidos Car Had The Answers ...........

 :roll:


And they did send part of his car for foresic testing to NFI..wonder what ever became of the findings on that?Also they were suppose to have take the PC,the 4-wheeler and some documents.Has anyone ever figured out what kind of documents that could've been?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 06, 2007, 06:35:25 PM
Quote from: "San"
If KJ knew this information about Paulus picking up Joran and Natalee at 4:00 am this would give her reason to pull his phone records that night.  I wonder if that is part of the evidence she has in her file against Paulus.  I have always said if they pulled his records this case would have been solved already.


Paulus's Phone Calls To KJ Were Probably ON Those Records ...........

 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 06, 2007, 06:37:40 PM
Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
I think Guido is much more involved in this than has been said.Also I've thought that the white car that was "annoyingly chasing" Deepak's car the night Natalee disappeared was Guido's white car.I find it very strange that he'd just got that brand new white car and went off to Holland earlier than was supposed to and left that new car behind.It wasn't like his parents didn't have the $$$ to have it shipped for hom.
Also found it strange when one of the the charges on Guido were expressed as 'heavy battery"I always wondered where that came from.I mean how would someone know that it was heavy battery without seeing a beaten Natalee or an eyewitness?
I think the white car was Guido's. I also think that when the facts come out about this case, we will learn that prosecution has more knowledge of what really happened....IMO


I agree with you on that.I have always thought Beth knows a lot more than she can say too.


Could It Be That Guido Made The Bad Thing Happen That Night .........

Maybe Even By Running Natalee Over With His Car ..........

What Evidence Did They Have To Produce A HEAVY Battery Charge

Against Guido .........

Maybe Guidos Car Had The Answers ...........

 :roll:

Could be Widget.  We have often discussed that Satish was the one who could have ran her over.  Did Natalee some how manage to get out of the car and Guido who was following behind hit her to stop her from getting away.

What makes me think that this might not have happened is that it was said Guido had scratch marks on him.  Those scratch marks are from a struggle.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 06, 2007, 06:39:09 PM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
I think Guido is much more involved in this than has been said.Also I've thought that the white car that was "annoyingly chasing" Deepak's car the night Natalee disappeared was Guido's white car.I find it very strange that he'd just got that brand new white car and went off to Holland earlier than was supposed to and left that new car behind.It wasn't like his parents didn't have the $$$ to have it shipped for hom.
Also found it strange when one of the the charges on Guido were expressed as 'heavy battery"I always wondered where that came from.I mean how would someone know that it was heavy battery without seeing a beaten Natalee or an eyewitness?
I think the white car was Guido's. I also think that when the facts come out about this case, we will learn that prosecution has more knowledge of what really happened....IMO


I agree with you on that.I have always thought Beth knows a lot more than she can say too.


Could It Be That Guido Made The Bad Thing Happen That Night .........

Maybe Even By Running Natalee Over With His Car ..........

What Evidence Did They Have To Produce A HEAVY Battery Charge

Against Guido .........

Maybe Guidos Car Had The Answers ...........

 :roll:


And they did send part of his car for foresic testing to NFI..wonder what ever became of the findings on that?Also they were suppose to have take the PC,the 4-wheeler and some documents.Has anyone ever figured out what kind of documents that could've been?


I Still Wonder Who The Owner Of The SUV Is With Baily & Elyse .........

THat Certainly Was A PIMP Mobile ..............

 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 06, 2007, 06:39:46 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Refugees finally found my comparison and don't particulary care for it.  Go figure.  :D

For the Refugees :smt097  :smt098


They are slow catching up over there..... or is that +++++++?? :smt096  :smt093
Part of their hateful behavior is a defense mechanism, putting some distance between reality to make themselves feel better. Part of it's that if they think too hard about what happened to Natalee, they willl have to think about why they are not doing anything about it. They would have to demand that something be done, and it's easier to make up a story about how Natalee and her family  deserved what they got and deserve to be mocked. They are real losers.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 06, 2007, 06:40:32 PM
Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
Quote from: "San"
If KJ knew this information about Paulus picking up Joran and Natalee at 4:00 am this would give her reason to pull his phone records that night.  I wonder if that is part of the evidence she has in her file against Paulus.  I have always said if they pulled his records this case would have been solved already.


Paulus's Phone Calls To KJ Were Probably ON Those Records ...........

 8)

Right.  What was I thinking for a moment I thought KJ could have possibly did her job. :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 06, 2007, 06:43:23 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
Quote from: "San"
If KJ knew this information about Paulus picking up Joran and Natalee at 4:00 am this would give her reason to pull his phone records that night.  I wonder if that is part of the evidence she has in her file against Paulus.  I have always said if they pulled his records this case would have been solved already.


Paulus's Phone Calls To KJ Were Probably ON Those Records ...........

 8)

Right.  What was I thinking for a moment I thought KJ could have possibly did her job. :roll:


She Is Involved At A Level We Dont KNow About Yet ..........

How Do We KNow What She Presented In Court Did'nt Get The Perps

Their Get Out Of Jail Free Card ............

She Is Part Of The Problem Not The Solution ................

 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 06, 2007, 06:44:43 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
Quote from: "San"
If KJ knew this information about Paulus picking up Joran and Natalee at 4:00 am this would give her reason to pull his phone records that night.  I wonder if that is part of the evidence she has in her file against Paulus.  I have always said if they pulled his records this case would have been solved already.


Paulus's Phone Calls To KJ Were Probably ON Those Records ...........

 8)

Right.  What was I thinking for a moment I thought KJ could have possibly did her job. :roll:


THanks TO San & Y'all For The Kind Words For My Brother ..............

 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on March 06, 2007, 06:45:00 PM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Where's your avatar?

You asked for it...

 8)


I'm sorry I did...please take it away...that's not even funny!


igsigs..I hope I didn't make you mad...you can have any av you want just come back.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 06, 2007, 06:51:06 PM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Where's your avatar?

You asked for it...

 8)


I'm sorry I did...please take it away...that's not even funny!


igsigs..I hope I didn't make you mad...you can have any av you want just come back.

I don't think you made igsigs mad.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: igsigs on March 06, 2007, 06:52:02 PM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
igsigs..I hope I didn't make you mad...you can have any av you want just come back.

igsigs does not get mad...

igsigs never leaves...

just surprised...to find...someone who dislikes Paulus more than me...

 :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 06, 2007, 06:53:24 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
igsigs..I hope I didn't make you mad...you can have any av you want just come back.

igsigs does not get mad...

igsigs never leaves...

just surprised...to find...someone who dislikes Paulus more than me...

 :wink:

Hey that's a good quote for your signature line :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on March 06, 2007, 06:55:05 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Where's your avatar?

You asked for it...

 8)


I'm sorry I did...please take it away...that's not even funny!


igsigs..I hope I didn't make you mad...you can have any av you want just come back.

I don't think you made igsigs mad.


I hope not...lol..the av was funny really.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: igsigs on March 06, 2007, 06:56:15 PM
SAN  :lol:

It kinda rhymed too...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 06, 2007, 06:58:34 PM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"


And they did send part of his car for foresic testing to NFI..wonder what ever became of the findings on that?Also they were suppose to have take the PC,the 4-wheeler and some documents.Has anyone ever figured out what kind of documents that could've been?


Could the documents have been contacts and lists of the "elders"?
Or details of gambling scams or cheat sheets?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: oldfart on March 06, 2007, 06:58:59 PM
Good Day Monkeys  

Anything new going on ?   ducking & hiding
:smt006


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on March 06, 2007, 06:59:36 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
igsigs..I hope I didn't make you mad...you can have any av you want just come back.

igsigs does not get mad...

igsigs never leaves...

just surprised...to find...someone who dislikes Paulus more than me...

 :wink:


OK there you are..Paulus does not make the best looking av in the world either.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 06, 2007, 07:02:03 PM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
igsigs..I hope I didn't make you mad...you can have any av you want just come back.

igsigs does not get mad...

igsigs never leaves...

just surprised...to find...someone who dislikes Paulus more than me...

 :wink:


OK there you are..Paulus does not make the best looking av in the world either.


Neither would Anita in her see through blouse  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: robots on March 06, 2007, 07:02:08 PM
people sweat when their nervous  8)


paulus is the NIAGRA FALLS of ARUBA

more GROSS- ICKY - GROSS sweat coming off him then NIAGRA FALLS

he makes me want to puke when i hear his stupid name  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on March 06, 2007, 07:02:09 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"


And they did send part of his car for foresic testing to NFI..wonder what ever became of the findings on that?Also they were suppose to have take the PC,the 4-wheeler and some documents.Has anyone ever figured out what kind of documents that could've been?


Could the documents have been contacts and lists of the "elders"?
Or details of gambling scams or cheat sheets?


I was wodering if it could have been some kind of movies.Maybe some homemade movies Freddy made? :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Sam on March 06, 2007, 07:03:14 PM
Well I still do not know much about Hiram Vrolijk but did find this link to his birthday party in 2005. Most of us have seen these before. Since this is all I found on him it makes me even more curious. It appears he or his family is fairly well off. Klaas probably has stufff on him and has just forgotten it. LOL The only reason I was curious about him was because his name was on one of the pictures to the site Klaas linked to

http://www.guiafashion.com/fashion/internacional/11-06-05happybirthhiram/index.htm


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 06, 2007, 07:03:18 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
SAN  :lol:

It kinda rhymed too...

Are you going to use your avatar.  If not let's think of a new one.  How about Joe Tacopina :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 06, 2007, 07:03:24 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Good Day Monkeys  

Anything new going on ?   ducking & hiding
:smt006


Hi OldFart are you well?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on March 06, 2007, 07:03:30 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
igsigs..I hope I didn't make you mad...you can have any av you want just come back.

igsigs does not get mad...

igsigs never leaves...

just surprised...to find...someone who dislikes Paulus more than me...

 :wink:


OK there you are..Paulus does not make the best looking av in the world either.


Neither would Anita in her see through blouse  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:


 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Jacqueline on March 06, 2007, 07:04:04 PM
Is my Man Widget in the house???? :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 06, 2007, 07:04:54 PM
Oh oh... Page 49
Time to tuck your tails in monkeys... :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 06, 2007, 07:04:58 PM
Quote from: "Sam"
Well I still do not know much about Hiram Vrolijk but did find this link to his birthday party in 2005. Most of us have seen these before. Since this is all I found on him it makes me even more curious. It appears he or his family is fairly well off. Klaas probably has stufff on him and has just forgotten it. LOL The only reason I was curious about him was because his name was on one of the pictures to the site Klaas linked to

http://www.guiafashion.com/fashion/internacional/11-06-05happybirthhiram/index.htm

If I am not mistaken there was some government officials at that party.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Sam on March 06, 2007, 07:05:17 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "igsigs"
SAN  :lol:

It kinda rhymed too...

Are you going to use your avatar.  If not let's think of a new one.  How about Joe Tacopina :lol:  :lol:


Funny San.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: robots on March 06, 2007, 07:05:53 PM
joran didnt walk home--he is too lazy

not to mention, no one walks home in bare feet
what a jackass


joran didnt get a ride form K2....  nawwwwwwww

LOAD of the century


so, which car did paulus use to pick him up  :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: oldfart on March 06, 2007, 07:07:06 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "oldfart"
Good Day Monkeys  

Anything new going on ?   ducking & hiding
:smt006


Hi OldFart are you well?

Tib  
that could be a deep subject.... just fighting a cold and other chit...
thanks for asking


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on March 06, 2007, 07:07:15 PM
Quote from: "robots"
joran didnt walk home--he is too lazy

not to mention, no one walks home in bare feet
what a jackass


joran didnt get a ride form K2....  nawwwwwwww

LOAD of the century


so, which car did paulus use to pick him up  :twisted:


Or did he get a ride with Guido?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 06, 2007, 07:07:20 PM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"


And they did send part of his car for foresic testing to NFI..wonder what ever became of the findings on that?Also they were suppose to have take the PC,the 4-wheeler and some documents.Has anyone ever figured out what kind of documents that could've been?


Could the documents have been contacts and lists of the "elders"?
Or details of gambling scams or cheat sheets?


I was wodering if it could have been some kind of movies.Maybe some homemade movies Freddy made? :twisted:


Movies are a possibility but I was thinking more that "documents" meant papers.  Who knows on Aruba......,


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 06, 2007, 07:07:24 PM
Quote from: "robots"
joran didnt walk home--he is too lazy

not to mention, no one walks home in bare feet
what a jackass


joran didnt get a ride form K2....  nawwwwwwww

LOAD of the century


so, which car did paulus use to pick him up  :twisted:

Exactly.

Or who was with Paulus when he picked Joran up.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: robots on March 06, 2007, 07:07:34 PM
:smt003

paulus was in the garden doing something because he had to have a reason to have mud and dirt all over his shoes


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: robots on March 06, 2007, 07:08:36 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "robots"
joran didnt walk home--he is too lazy

not to mention, no one walks home in bare feet
what a jackass


joran didnt get a ride form K2....  nawwwwwwww

LOAD of the century


so, which car did paulus use to pick him up  :twisted:

Exactly.

Or who was with Paulus when he picked Joran up.


that works too  :batman:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 06, 2007, 07:08:42 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "robots"
joran didnt walk home--he is too lazy

not to mention, no one walks home in bare feet
what a jackass


joran didnt get a ride form K2....  nawwwwwwww

LOAD of the century


so, which car did paulus use to pick him up  :twisted:

Exactly.

Or who was with Paulus when he picked Joran up.

By the way I still think he had not need to walk home because he was home when the crime happened.  This was a drop off not a pick up.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: robots on March 06, 2007, 07:09:47 PM
Quote from: "robots"
:smt003

paulus was in the garden doing something because he had to have a reason to have mud and dirt all over his shoes


"HEY, JERK OFF PAULUS, why do you have mud all over your shoes?"

"ohh....umm...errrrr......ahhhh.. i was in the garden"  :farao:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 06, 2007, 07:10:01 PM
Quote from: "robots"
:smt003

paulus was in the garden doing something because he had to have a reason to have mud and dirt all over his shoes

Dirty Hand and Dirty Feet :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on March 06, 2007, 07:10:23 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"


And they did send part of his car for foresic testing to NFI..wonder what ever became of the findings on that?Also they were suppose to have take the PC,the 4-wheeler and some documents.Has anyone ever figured out what kind of documents that could've been?


Could the documents have been contacts and lists of the "elders"?
Or details of gambling scams or cheat sheets?


I was wodering if it could have been some kind of movies.Maybe some homemade movies Freddy made? :twisted:


Movies are a possibility but I was thinking more that "documents" meant papers.  Who knows on Aruba......,


Details of gambling scams sure could be likely being Guido worked in the casino.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: oldfart on March 06, 2007, 07:11:10 PM
Quote from: "robots"
:smt003

paulus was in the garden doing something because he had to have a reason to have mud and dirt all over his shoes


Where & when was this mentioned ????
TIA


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: robots on March 06, 2007, 07:11:41 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "robots"
:smt003

paulus was in the garden doing something because he had to have a reason to have mud and dirt all over his shoes


Where & when was this mentioned ????
TIA


im not sure.. but i try and idg it up  :batman:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 06, 2007, 07:12:11 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "robots"
:smt003

paulus was in the garden doing something because he had to have a reason to have mud and dirt all over his shoes


Where & when was this mentioned ????
TIA

Oldfart - I believe in one of PVDS statements he mentions that he was gardening.  I'll have to go find out which one.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: dkpen on March 06, 2007, 07:12:30 PM
Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
I think Guido is much more involved in this than has been said.Also I've thought that the white car that was "annoyingly chasing" Deepak's car the night Natalee disappeared was Guido's white car.I find it very strange that he'd just got that brand new white car and went off to Holland earlier than was supposed to and left that new car behind.It wasn't like his parents didn't have the $$$ to have it shipped for hom.
Also found it strange when one of the the charges on Guido were expressed as 'heavy battery"I always wondered where that came from.I mean how would someone know that it was heavy battery without seeing a beaten Natalee or an eyewitness?
I think the white car was Guido's. I also think that when the facts come out about this case, we will learn that prosecution has more knowledge of what really happened....IMO


I agree with you on that.I have always thought Beth knows a lot more than she can say too.


Could It Be That Guido Made The Bad Thing Happen That Night .........

Maybe Even By Running Natalee Over With His Car ..........

What Evidence Did They Have To Produce A HEAVY Battery Charge

Against Guido .........

Maybe Guidos Car Had The Answers ...........

 :roll:


hmmm that's a possibility.  After Deepak dropped Joran off at the end of the road near the beach, maybe Guido came and picked them up. Who knows at this point.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: San on March 06, 2007, 07:12:35 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "robots"
:smt003

paulus was in the garden doing something because he had to have a reason to have mud and dirt all over his shoes


Where & when was this mentioned ????
TIA

Paulus said in one of his statements that he worked in the garden either on May 31st or June 1st I forget the date.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: robots on March 06, 2007, 07:12:48 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "robots"
:smt003

paulus was in the garden doing something because he had to have a reason to have mud and dirt all over his shoes


Where & when was this mentioned ????
TIA

Oldfart - I believe in one of PVDS statements he mentions that he was gardening.  I'll have to go find out which one.


yea, that was it  :rambo:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 06, 2007, 07:13:29 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/nowlocked.jpg)

Please move to LCD# 587

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=921


Title: Lively Case Discussion #586 3/2 - 3/6/2007
Post by: oldfart on March 06, 2007, 07:13:42 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "robots"
:smt003

paulus was in the garden doing something because he had to have a reason to have mud and dirt all over his shoes


Where & when was this mentioned ????
TIA

Oldfart - I believe in one of PVDS statements he mentions that he was gardening.  I'll have to go find out which one.


yea, that was it  :rambo:


Was this on the night Beth & Jug showed up ??