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It is Christmas Eve. Kyron is still missing and there has been no justice yet for Zahra. My daughter lost her baby and yesterday I had to call an ambulance for her. My heart breaks for Kaine, Desiree, Tony and Kyrons brothers and sister.

It is sad enough for those who have lost their beloved children this year due to illness. How much sadder for the parents whos babies are missing and they have no idea where they are. We have a special little ornament on our tree for those who are lost. I pray they will be found and parents will find peace.

To all the Monkeys a Blessed Christmas Season with those you hold most Dear.

To Klaas hold your new Grandbaby tight and give her hugs from all of us.

To your House from our House.  Merry Christmas!

It is Christmas Eve. Kyron is still missing and there has been no justice yet for Zahra. My daughter lost her baby and yesterday I had to call an ambulance for her. My heart breaks for Kaine, Desiree, Tony and Kyrons brothers and sister.

It is sad enough for those who have lost their beloved children this year due to illness. How much sadder for the parents whos babies are missing and they have no idea where they are. We have a special little ornament on our tree for those who are lost. I pray they will be found and parents will find peace.

To all the Monkeys a Blessed Christmas Season with those you hold most Dear.

To Klaas hold your new Grandbaby tight and give her hugs from all of us.

To your House from our House.  Merry Christmas!

This post is for information purposes. I don't in any way, make any accusations. I'm just posting info along with url's to post the facts as they relate to Kyron.  The bolded words are additional comments based on facts, ie: public information. I didn't post the press articles to some of the statements because I'm assuming that we've seen them before. Maybe Janet can help with that?

http://www.skylinesoccerclub.com/home.php?layout=1022 (http://www.skylinesoccerclub.com/home.php?layout=1022)

Skyline Eagles Soccer Club:

President:  Tom Williamson
Vice President:  Max Janasik
Registrar:  Chris Edington
PYSA Rep:  Kim Holm
Head Coach:  Kim Holm
Equipment/Field Manager:  Matt Schuckmann
Treasurer:  John Chen

When you Google the address that they list to send the Soccer Registration payments to (The address of: 10902 NW Skyline Blvd, Portland, OR 97231) you find it linked to a business called "Turnstone
Environmental Consultants"

http://www.turnstoneenvironmental.com/index.htm (http://www.turnstoneenvironmental.com/index.htm)


I'm going to take these one at a time:

President:  Tom Williamson, AKA Walter T Williamson IV - Approximate age 44-45 (Not on the list)
Resume: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/tom-williamson/4/948/926
 (http://www.linkedin.com/pub/tom-williamson/4/948/926)
President and co-owner of Turnstone Environmental Consultants
                           10902 NW Skyline Blvd
                                     Portland, OR 97231

Additional address to TEC: 18000 NW Lucy Reeder Road, Portland, OR 97231 (This is Sauvie Island
and is approximately 11.6 miles away from nw skyline blvd.)

Link, pg 6:
http://www.cityofalbany.net/finance/cor/COR2009/B-Environmental%20Permitting,%20Analysis,%20and%
20Design/COR-09-B%20Proposal%20-%20Turnstone%20Environmental.pdf (http://www.cityofalbany.net/finance/cor/COR2009/B-Environmental%20Permitting,%20Analysis,%20and%
20Design/COR-09-B%20Proposal%20-%20Turnstone%20Environmental.pdf)

PYSA Rep:  Kim Holm (PYSA is Portland youth soccer Assoc.)

http://www.portlandyouthsoccer.com/home.php (http://www.portlandyouthsoccer.com/home.php)

Head Coach:  Kim Holm (On the list)
Kim has 3 sons. She also lives behind the home that Jim Kelley reported seeing a white truck and a
woman with red hair driving it at 3pm and 2am on June 4th.

Kurtis ( Kyron's friend who also was invited by Terri the previous weekend to go 1st to the zoo, but ended up going bowling) When asked by his mother about Kyron being missing, Kurtis stated that he knew he was absent because he had a dr.'s appointment.

Avery Villerreal: FB page:

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000645197805&v=wall&ref=search
 (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000645197805&v=wall&ref=search)
Was put on hold in early September: (NOTE: I don't know what STM court is)

First Name   AVERY   Middle Name   DEAN   Last Name   VILLARREAL
Primary Address   N/A   City   N/A   State   N/A
ZIP Code   N/A   Phone Number   N/A   Date of Birth   19880115
Race   CAUCASIAN   Height   68"   Weight   145 LBS
Court   STM   Source State   OR   Offense   HOLD
Gender   MALE

Girlfriend to Avery is Breanna P.: FB page: http://www.facebook.com/breanna.pulliam  (http://www.facebook.com/breanna.pulliam)
Cashier at Fred Meyers in Scappoose. Attended Lincoln High

Cameron Villarreal: FB page: http://www.facebook.com/crazy4high#!/crazy4high?v=wall (http://www.facebook.com/crazy4high#!/crazy4high?v=wall)


Registrar:  Chris Edington: Wife Rebecca (On the list)

Vice President:  Max Janasik: Wife Becky (on the list)

Equipment/Field Manager: Matt Schuckmann: Wife Robin (on the list)

Treasurer:  John Chen: No info

I also checked which FM stores would be closest to zip 97231. These are the top 3:

1:FRED MEYER51501 Columbia River HwyScappoose, OR 97056Store:
Distance 5.8 miles

2: FRED MEYER6850 N Lombard StPortland, OR 97203Store
Distance 7.2 miles

3: 5
FRED MEYER JEWELERS22075 NW Imbrie DrHillsboro, OR 97124
Distance 8.3 miles

It is Christmas Eve. Kyron is still missing and there has been no justice yet for Zahra. My daughter lost her baby and yesterday I had to call an ambulance for her. My heart breaks for Kaine, Desiree, Tony and Kyrons brothers and sister.

It is sad enough for those who have lost their beloved children this year due to illness. How much sadder for the parents whos babies are missing and they have no idea where they are. We have a special little ornament on our tree for those who are lost. I pray they will be found and parents will find peace.

To all the Monkeys a Blessed Christmas Season with those you hold most Dear.

To Klaas hold your new Grandbaby tight and give her hugs from all of us.

To your House from our House.  Merry Christmas!

Aww Brandi I am in tears seeing this. Kyron should be home....It is just so sad.

Aww Brandi I am in tears seeing this. Kyron should be home....It is just so sad.

It is Christmas Eve. Kyron is still missing and there has been no justice yet for Zahra. My daughter lost her baby and yesterday I had to call an ambulance for her. My heart breaks for Kaine, Desiree, Tony and Kyrons brothers and sister.

It is sad enough for those who have lost their beloved children this year due to illness. How much sadder for the parents whos babies are missing and they have no idea where they are. We have a special little ornament on our tree for those who are lost. I pray they will be found and parents will find peace.

To all the Monkeys a Blessed Christmas Season with those you hold most Dear.

To Klaas hold your new Grandbaby tight and give her hugs from all of us.

To your House from our House.  Merry Christmas!

Finding Kyron is my Christmas Wish.  What a beautiful child he is.

Thank you all for your good wishes for myself and my family. Yes it is hard to want a Grandchild so bad when others throw their children away. We would give a child such a wonderful, loving home.

We are a strong family and will make the most of this Holiday season. I finally went out today and did my Christmas shopping. Just can't really get in the Joy of the season but we will celebrate the Birth of Christ.

This post is for information purposes. I don't in any way, make any accusations. I'm just posting info along with url's to post the facts as they relate to Kyron.  The bolded words are additional comments based on facts, ie: public information. I didn't post the press articles to some of the statements because I'm assuming that we've seen them before. Maybe Janet can help with that?

http://www.skylinesoccerclub.com/home.php?layout=1022 (http://www.skylinesoccerclub.com/home.php?layout=1022)

Skyline Eagles Soccer Club:

President:  Tom Williamson
Vice President:  Max Janasik
Registrar:  Chris Edington
PYSA Rep:  Kim Holm
Head Coach:  Kim Holm
Equipment/Field Manager:  Matt Schuckmann
Treasurer:  John Chen

When you Google the address that they list to send the Soccer Registration payments to (The address of: 10902 NW Skyline Blvd, Portland, OR 97231) you find it linked to a business called "Turnstone
Environmental Consultants"

http://www.turnstoneenvironmental.com/index.htm (http://www.turnstoneenvironmental.com/index.htm)


I'm going to take these one at a time:

President:  Tom Williamson, AKA Walter T Williamson IV - Approximate age 44-45 (Not on the list)
Resume: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/tom-williamson/4/948/926
 (http://www.linkedin.com/pub/tom-williamson/4/948/926)
President and co-owner of Turnstone Environmental Consultants
                           10902 NW Skyline Blvd
                                     Portland, OR 97231

Additional address to TEC: 18000 NW Lucy Reeder Road, Portland, OR 97231 (This is Sauvie Island
and is approximately 11.6 miles away from nw skyline blvd.)

Link, pg 6:
http://www.cityofalbany.net/finance/cor/COR2009/B-Environmental%20Permitting,%20Analysis,%20and%
20Design/COR-09-B%20Proposal%20-%20Turnstone%20Environmental.pdf (http://www.cityofalbany.net/finance/cor/COR2009/B-Environmental%20Permitting,%20Analysis,%20and%
20Design/COR-09-B%20Proposal%20-%20Turnstone%20Environmental.pdf)

PYSA Rep:  Kim Holm (PYSA is Portland youth soccer Assoc.)

http://www.portlandyouthsoccer.com/home.php (http://www.portlandyouthsoccer.com/home.php)

Head Coach:  Kim Holm (On the list)
Kim has 3 sons. She also lives behind the home that Jim Kelley reported seeing a white truck and a
woman with red hair driving it at 3pm and 2am on June 4th.

Kurtis ( Kyron's friend who also was invited by Terri the previous weekend to go 1st to the zoo, but ended up going bowling) When asked by his mother about Kyron being missing, Kurtis stated that he knew he was absent because he had a dr.'s appointment.

Avery Villerreal: FB page:

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000645197805&v=wall&ref=search
 (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000645197805&v=wall&ref=search)
Was put on hold in early September: (NOTE: I don't know what STM court is)

First Name   AVERY   Middle Name   DEAN   Last Name   VILLARREAL
Primary Address   N/A   City   N/A   State   N/A
ZIP Code   N/A   Phone Number   N/A   Date of Birth   19880115
Race   CAUCASIAN   Height   68"   Weight   145 LBS
Court   STM   Source State   OR   Offense   HOLD
Gender   MALE

Girlfriend to Avery is Breanna P.: FB page: http://www.facebook.com/breanna.pulliam  (http://www.facebook.com/breanna.pulliam)
Cashier at Fred Meyers in Scappoose. Attended Lincoln High

Cameron Villarreal: FB page: http://www.facebook.com/crazy4high#!/crazy4high?v=wall (http://www.facebook.com/crazy4high#!/crazy4high?v=wall)


Registrar:  Chris Edington: Wife Rebecca (On the list)

Vice President:  Max Janasik: Wife Becky (on the list)

Equipment/Field Manager: Matt Schuckmann: Wife Robin (on the list)

Treasurer:  John Chen: No info

I also checked which FM stores would be closest to zip 97231. These are the top 3:

1:FRED MEYER51501 Columbia River HwyScappoose, OR 97056Store:
Distance 5.8 miles

2: FRED MEYER6850 N Lombard StPortland, OR 97203Store
Distance 7.2 miles

3: 5
FRED MEYER JEWELERS22075 NW Imbrie DrHillsboro, OR 97124
Distance 8.3 miles

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Bandi this one is so very special.  Really touched my heart.

Where does, did Kim Holm fit into this ?
She was a friend of Terri, right ?

Yes. Kim was good friends with Terri. Also the mother of Kurtis, whom Terri invited for the family fun weekend, the weekend prior to Kyron going missing.

She is also the coach of Kyron's soccer team.

Kim's son's are, well let's just say this, not upstanding citizens. Also, as I stated, she lives behind the home of Jim Kelley who spotted the white truck on his road.

I'm not making accusations, but I'm telling you, I don't believe in coincidences. There are too many here.

One more addition: It appears the Villarreal/Holm family, owned a boat. It may mean nothing, but I wanted to put it out there.

First Name   CATARINO   Middle Name   FLOYD   Last Name   VILLARREAL
Primary Address   N/A   City   PORTLAND   State   OR
ZIP Code   97231   Latitude   45.632427   Longitude   -122.86634
Phone Number   N/A   Date of Birth   19581105   Street   15110 NW CORNELIUS PASS RD
Offense Date   19000101   Court   CLACKAMAS COUNTY COURTS   Source State   OR
Offense   BOAT-RIDE DECK W/O RAIL

Oregon Boating Regulations:

http://www.oregon.gov/OSMB/BoatLaws/Regulations.shtml (http://www.oregon.gov/OSMB/BoatLaws/Regulations.shtml)

Yes. Kim was good friends with Terri. Also the mother of Kurtis, whom Terri invited for the family fun weekend, the weekend prior to Kyron going missing.

She is also the coach of Kyron's soccer team.

Kim's son's are, well let's just say this, not upstanding citizens. Also, as I stated, she lives behind the home of Jim Kelley who spotted the white truck on his road.

I'm not making accusations, but I'm telling you, I don't believe in coincidences. There are too many here.

I did go to her young 'uns FB pages. nice kids. Gag.

Oh Geez Kat, this post made me laugh out loud! Young'uns, nice kids, LOL! ::MonkeyDevil::

Merry Christmas to everyone, may you stay safe, enjoy your family and all the good food you will have  ::MonkeyAngel::  For everyone who has had a year that wasn't the best, may the new year be different for all of us   ::MonkeyAngel::

It is Christmas Eve. Kyron is still missing and there has been no justice yet for Zahra. My daughter lost her baby and yesterday I had to call an ambulance for her. My heart breaks for Kaine, Desiree, Tony and Kyrons brothers and sister.

It is sad enough for those who have lost their beloved children this year due to illness. How much sadder for the parents whos babies are missing and they have no idea where they are. We have a special little ornament on our tree for those who are lost. I pray they will be found and parents will find peace.

To all the Monkeys a Blessed Christmas Season with those you hold most Dear.

To Klaas hold your new Grandbaby tight and give her hugs from all of us.

To your House from our House.  Merry Christmas!

Is it me or did one of the boys change a bit after high school ended? He was posting about school all of the time, although he was pretty much saying it sucked, then it switched to posting about parties and getting high..

So Sass, how would all of it fit in together. Do you have a working theory you can post?

Finding Kyron is my Christmas Wish.  What a beautiful child he is.

Thank you all for your good wishes for myself and my family. Yes it is hard to want a Grandchild so bad when others throw their children away. We would give a child such a wonderful, loving home.

We are a strong family and will make the most of this Holiday season. I finally went out today and did my Christmas shopping. Just can't really get in the Joy of the season but we will celebrate the Birth of Christ.

ok..... who is the female KH you are all speaking of? I am confused.

Kim Holm's Neighbor - Jim Kelley

Considering Kaine Horman affirm that his wife was home at 3:00 PM on June 4, 2010 ... it would imply that the diver of the white pick observed by Jim Kelley was not Terri.

+++++++

Day 3: FBI calls in criminal profiler in search for missing Skyline boy; interviews with students and parents begin
Published: Sunday, June 06, 2010, 2:14 PM
Updated: Friday, June 18, 2010, 5:01 PM

1:29 p.m. -- Neighbors stop by Brooks Hill Historic church, across the street from the school, to mull over the investigation. "This kind of thing is unheard of," says Jim Kelley, 50.

Kelley, who lives about a mile and a half down hill, at the end of a winding, secluded country lane off Cornelius Pass, said police, federal agents, K-9 teams and helicopters scoured the area Saturday.

"We had two odd sightings of a vehicle on our road Friday," Kelley said. Around 3 p.m, he and a neighbor reported seeing a white pick-up truck with a female driver pull to the end of the long road, idle and then turn around. Then again at 2 a.m. Saturday morning, a similar white pickup truck appeared, idled and when a neighbor loosed her dogs, eased away.

"A, it was strange to have a car there, any car there, that we didn't know, and B, it was strange to have a vehicle come down our dead-end road twice in the same day, hours after a little boy goes missing," said Kelley. "That's beyond rare."

Kelley said authorities have twice searched the deep ravine, creek and railroad tracks located near the end of his street by air and on foot.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/day_three_search_continues_hun

Kim Holm's Neighbor - Jim Kelley

Considering Kaine Horman affirm that his wife was home at 3:00 PM on June 4, 2010 ... it would imply that the diver of the white pick observed by Jim Kelley was not Terri.

+++++++

Day 3: FBI calls in criminal profiler in search for missing Skyline boy; interviews with students and parents begin
Published: Sunday, June 06, 2010, 2:14 PM
Updated: Friday, June 18, 2010, 5:01 PM

1:29 p.m. -- Neighbors stop by Brooks Hill Historic church, across the street from the school, to mull over the investigation. "This kind of thing is unheard of," says Jim Kelley, 50.

Kelley, who lives about a mile and a half down hill, at the end of a winding, secluded country lane off Cornelius Pass, said police, federal agents, K-9 teams and helicopters scoured the area Saturday.

"We had two odd sightings of a vehicle on our road Friday," Kelley said. Around 3 p.m, he and a neighbor reported seeing a white pick-up truck with a female driver pull to the end of the long road, idle and then turn around. Then again at 2 a.m. Saturday morning, a similar white pickup truck appeared, idled and when a neighbor loosed her dogs, eased away.

"A, it was strange to have a car there, any car there, that we didn't know, and B, it was strange to have a vehicle come down our dead-end road twice in the same day, hours after a little boy goes missing," said Kelley. "That's beyond rare."

Kelley said authorities have twice searched the deep ravine, creek and railroad tracks located near the end of his street by air and on foot.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/day_three_search_continues_hun

Hi Janet,
I too have always thought it strange that the whole family went to greet Kyron at the bus stop. Seriously!

If the same scenario involved my hubby and I ... I know we would be playing "rock; paper; sissors".  The loser would meet the bus.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet

Me too, maybe once in a great while we may have, but what is the purpose? Wonder if they both went to the stop often?

If the same scenario involved my hubby and I ... I know we would be playing "rock; paper; sissors".  The loser would meet the bus.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet

Agreed, but also this was Desiree's weekend IIRC, and Kaine didn't know (how do you NOT know when it's every two weeks ) anyway, that is a long drive so why would they be taking him to get ice cream instead of just getting on the road. I read somewhere in traffics it's about 5-6 hrs? Please correct me if I am wrong  ::MonkeyTongue::

I have speculated that Terri was the driver who Jim Kelley observed by Jim Kelley at 3:00 PM on the day that Kyron we missing but when I consider Kiara ... when I consider the Kaine never heard the truck leaving and returning ... when I consider that Terri's own vehicle was in the driveway ... I don't think so.  I could be wrong.

Maybe this wannabe detective needs a break ... maybe my family is not as close as I have convinced myself but ... the scenario involving the entire family making an effort to meet the school bus seems a little hinky.
 
Janet

++++++


Kaine Horman

Kyron's Parents Field Questions By E-mail
POSTED: 9:56 pm PDT July 5, 2010
UPDATED: 6:26 am PDT July 6, 2010

A: KAINE – I was in the office that day until about 1:45 and arrived back home a little after 2pm. Terri was already in the house, on her laptop, when I arrived. I kissed Kiara, grabbed some food, and worked from my home office until about 3:30 at which time I put shoes on Kiara and we started walking down toward the bus stop.

http://www.kptv.com/news/24151901/detail.html


Kyron’s mom pleads with Terri to do ‘what is right’
Story Published: Jul 6, 2010 at 6:15 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 7, 2010 at 7:26 AM PDT

Reporters: Trying to clear up so many reports that have been out there:

Was Kaine waiting at the bus stop for Kyron to get off of the school bus?

Yes I was. I walked Kiara down to the bus stop about 3:35 with Terri following close after we left. We all arrived down at the bus stop together and waited as the bus came to the stop.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/97904344.html

Me too, maybe once in a great while we may have, but what is the purpose? Wonder if they both went to the stop often?

I think that they met in the middle normally ..so it was more like a 2.5 hour ride each way for both Desiree and Terri.  It would make sense that they wouldn't leave Portland area until they knew Desiree was off work and on her way to meet them half way.

::HelloKitty::

Why would Terri give up her whole life including her baby?

http://www.kval.com/news/local/112506339.html

Why would Kaine/Tony/Desiree be happy to have LE look in the wrong direction for Kyron?

Agreed, but also this was Desiree's weekend IIRC, and Kaine didn't know (how do you NOT know when it's every two weeks ) anyway, that is a long drive so why would they be taking him to get ice cream instead of just getting on the road. I read somewhere in traffics it's about 5-6 hrs? Please correct me if I am wrong 
That's how far out fo the loop he was. Whne a person has these shared weekends, you know. You make plans for your weekend and you pack the kids stuff for the other person's weekend.
Gee, and he is a high leve employee at Intel, he must have had other stuff on his mnd. Guess he wasn't planning on making the drive to the mid way point, but was going to get the drunk, passed out, slurring speech person in the house to do the driving. This stuff is going to bite him in the azz in his divorce. Doesn't make him look good, does it as far as parenting & who's tthe better parent.
And I must state, if I was Kaine, I would fight her also and drag it out for about 16.50 years.. 

::HelloKitty::

As far as alcoholics, I have seen the most intelligent of people in denial about their own drinking as well as of spouse/child.

If one has not witnesses it, it's hard to imagine the denial in light of full face evidence.  Alcoholism is  a crazy disease and it affects everyone in the family.  I can easily see Kaine in denial and being shown the light when he was ready to see it regarding TH.

But why would TH give up her fight for parenting time if she is innocent?

I have a new name for Terri's Facebook. Perfect family, perfect lives.
FAKEBOOK

I think that they met in the middle normally ..so it was more like a 2.5 hour ride each way for both Desiree and Terri.  It would make sense that they wouldn't leave Portland area until they knew Desiree was off work and on her way to meet them half way.

I swear you are in my head......... ::MonkeyEek:: I never understood that, and EVEN if he didn't know what was making her pass out on ther couch<rolls eyes>, I still wouldn't let them drive my child.

Not sure if anyone remembers Laurie Bembenek aka Bambi Bembenek, but something about this case triggered my mind last night....then I found out she just died last month, anyway everyone was so sure she was guilty. I am not saying this is all a big set up, but I am also not saying it's unheard of......especially in the Chicago area, but have seen it happen multiple times and while I prefer KISS (keep it simple stupid), for some reason this case won't let me go there ::MonkeyConfused::

Sad but true......I wonder how many ppl I know live fake, perfect live. I guess I am a tell it like it is, good bad or ugly, even when it's wrt my family. I just find that if I am open so are others, and we can brainstorm and talk about what worked for them or others instead of sticking our head in the sand and pretending like all is well.

To play the devil's advocate   ::MonkeyDevil:: , sometimes people make things look extra-happy because they're not - not to deceive the public, but continuing to try to convince themselvels that they're really happy there, and not necessarily consciously.  Lord knows I did that when deep inside I knew my marriage was failing.  So it's still *possible* that she was doing the same. 

Now, was it likely?  Not imho.

The whole thing justs smells of overkill. Kind of like Terri putting all of the family portraits on facebook, trying to portray a happy loving family. We now know that is not true. Maybe Kaine was planning on meeting Kyron at the stop since he missed the Science Fair. Then Terri suggested that she and Kiara come along. Maybe Terri just could not miss the look on Kaine's face when he realized his son was not on the bus?

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/still_no_trace_of_kyron_horman.html

Still no trace of Kyron Horman as police, FBI conclude third day of search
Published: Sunday, June 06, 2010, 10:00 PM     Updated: Friday, June 18, 2010, 5:20 PM

snips
Late Sunday, Multnomah County Sheriff Daniel Staton issued a status report and raised the case level to increase public interest and focus. He said additional searches and interviews are planned, but he declined to discuss strategy or specifics of the investigation.
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“Given the passage of time and the weather, we are characterizing this case as a missing endangered child,” he said.
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Police remain stymied as to what happened to the second-grader, described by his grandmother as dreamy, sweet and a bit timid. His stepmother said she last saw him at 8:45 a.m. Friday. She watched him walk toward his classroom after the pair toured the school's science fair.
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During police interviews Sunday, a student said he last saw Kyron later that morning near the south entrance to the school. That was the last time the boy was seen, Staton said.
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Nora Schreiber,  a Skyline parent and volunteer, said the school has three main entrances and one secure exit. Two of the doorways are near the main office and are monitored, while a third on the north side of the school is not. Kyron's classroom is adjacent to that door, which opens onto a rear parking lot.

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Schreiber said she and her son, Jacob, 9, were interviewed Sunday by a federal agent. She said she told the agent that Friday was an especially hectic day at Skyline.

"On a normal day, seeing a stranger will make you go, 'Hmm. I wonder who that is?' On such a hectic day as Friday, there was such a lot going on. To tell you the truth, I was focused on looking at the (science) project and helping Jacob fill out his (evaluation) form and not on the faces around me."

Schreiber said Kyron was supposed to perform in the school's talent show at 1 p.m. but she didn't see him there.

=============me

to this day im still baffeld  why it took so long for Sheriff Daniel Staton, to change  the status to a crimminal inv. im sure while at the school at 3+pm, someone had to 
note kyron was marked absent, yet the parents are saying kyron was at school, that would
be a red flag to me, and my first thought would not be kyron wandered off, i know that
the Sheriff office, had not said at that time they were checking all scenarios, id like
to think they were, BC if they didnt, a lot of valuable time was lost, not pursing
other avenues

Agreed, but also this was Desiree's weekend IIRC, and Kaine didn't know (how do you NOT know when it's every two weeks ) anyway, that is a long drive so why would they be taking him to get ice cream instead of just getting on the road. I read somewhere in traffics it's about 5-6 hrs? Please correct me if I am wrong 
That's how far out fo the loop he was. Whne a person has these shared weekends, you know. You make plans for your weekend and you pack the kids stuff for the other person's weekend.
Gee, and he is a high leve employee at Intel, he must have had other stuff on his mnd. Guess he wasn't planning on making the drive to the mid way point, but was going to get the drunk, passed out, slurring speech person in the house to do the driving. This stuff is going to bite him in the azz in his divorce. Doesn't make him look good, does it as far as parenting & who's tthe better parent.
And I must state, if I was Kaine, I would fight her also and drag it out for about 16.50 years.. 

::HelloKitty::

As far as alcoholics, I have seen the most intelligent of people in denial about their own drinking as well as of spouse/child.

If one has not witnesses it, it's hard to imagine the denial in light of full face evidence.  Alcoholism is  a crazy disease and it affects everyone in the family.  I can easily see Kaine in denial and being shown the light when he was ready to see it regarding TH.

But why would TH give up her fight for parenting time if she is innocent?

 - Or wanted to make sure all 'played out' as per plan
 - Or wanted to be sure to have some back-up for her whereabouts for this period of time, as well

My thoughts only...

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/still_no_trace_of_kyron_horman.html

Still no trace of Kyron Horman as police, FBI conclude third day of search
Published: Sunday, June 06, 2010, 10:00 PM     Updated: Friday, June 18, 2010, 5:20 PM

snips
Late Sunday, Multnomah County Sheriff Daniel Staton issued a status report and raised the case level to increase public interest and focus. He said additional searches and interviews are planned, but he declined to discuss strategy or specifics of the investigation.
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“Given the passage of time and the weather, we are characterizing this case as a missing endangered child,” he said.
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Police remain stymied as to what happened to the second-grader, described by his grandmother as dreamy, sweet and a bit timid. His stepmother said she last saw him at 8:45 a.m. Friday. She watched him walk toward his classroom after the pair toured the school's science fair.
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During police interviews Sunday, a student said he last saw Kyron later that morning near the south entrance to the school. That was the last time the boy was seen, Staton said.
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Nora Schreiber,  a Skyline parent and volunteer, said the school has three main entrances and one secure exit. Two of the doorways are near the main office and are monitored, while a third on the north side of the school is not. Kyron's classroom is adjacent to that door, which opens onto a rear parking lot.

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Schreiber said she and her son, Jacob, 9, were interviewed Sunday by a federal agent. She said she told the agent that Friday was an especially hectic day at Skyline.

"On a normal day, seeing a stranger will make you go, 'Hmm. I wonder who that is?' On such a hectic day as Friday, there was such a lot going on. To tell you the truth, I was focused on looking at the (science) project and helping Jacob fill out his (evaluation) form and not on the faces around me."

Schreiber said Kyron was supposed to perform in the school's talent show at 1 p.m. but she didn't see him there.

=============me

to this day im still baffeld  why it took so long for Sheriff Daniel Staton, to change  the status to a crimminal inv. im sure while at the school at 3+pm, someone had to 
note kyron was marked absent, yet the parents are saying kyron was at school, that would
be a red flag to me, and my first thought would not be kyron wandered off, i know that
the Sheriff office, had not said at that time they were checking all scenarios, id like
to think they were, BC if they didnt, a lot of valuable time was lost, not pursing
other avenues

 ::rhino::

In my opinion there are so many red flags which encompass the family's silence and the lack of action of LE immediately following the disappearance of Kyron.

In my opinion ... the investigation should have been headed in several different directions ... each direction covering a different scenario.

I believe when the truth is forthcoming ... there will be names who will be implicated ...  names that will shock this Portland community.

Janet

::HelloKitty::


I think that people talking to Kaine after the fact are the ones that pointed out that being drunk on the conch is a sign of an issue.

Hard as it may be to believe, a lot, and I mean  a lot of people, do not see the signs.

But there is no point in arguing it.  Either people have seen the crazy denial in others or they haven't.

I live in an area that has huge alcohol issues.  So maybe that is why I have seen this with educated people who one would think know better.  But they don't.  Not until their names are splashed all over the front page of the paper because they have big positions in my community.

 ::rhino::

In my opinion there are so many red flags which encompass the family's silence and the lack of action of LE immediately following the disappearance of Kyron.

In my opinion ... the investigation should have been headed in several different directions ... each direction covering a different scenario.

I believe when the truth is forthcoming ... there will be names who will be implicated ...  names that will shock this Portland community.

Janet

Puzzler

The "Horman Ground Rules" revealed in Kaine and Desiree's first press conference  prevented skeletons from being exposed in Kaine's life and ... only Terri's character flaws could be vulified.

I just do not understand the double standard.  I am not implying that Kaine is involved  with the disappearance of son but ... he is not a nice guy ... he should not be above suspicion.  A guy who has an extra-marital affair when his wife is one month away from giving birth reveals a guy who lacks a conscience

Janet

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Dateline NBC puts story of missing Kyron in national eye
Published: Monday, July 26, 2010, 11:17 PM
Updated: Tuesday, July 27, 2010, 4:26 PM

Desiree Young also elaborated on her split with Kaine Horman in 2002, saying that her then-husband struck up a relationship with Terri Moulton Horman while she was eight months pregnant.

“It was pretty hard to handle,” Young said. “I cried solid for two months and didn't leave the bedroom, because I didn't understand why she somehow equated to something better than me and my son.”

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/dateline_nbc_highlights_puts_s.html

When Kaine put all these things in the affaidavit about Terri, it refelected badly upon HIM, his judgement about the safety of HIS children before any of this happened. I am sure if we are able to pick up on this, so will her lawyer. I think the sexts will be thrown out and expunged. He didn't need them to file for a divorce,they were done after he left the house and they didn't serve any pupose in his divorce.  Just character assasination. Hey, and it worked.

Kaine is supposedly a smart man, educated, and living in a liberal state all his life - been exposed to plenty.  It does not "fit" that he would be so innocent about a passed out drunk, repeatedly, several times a week , that that wasn't a problem.  Nope.

Kaine is supposedly a smart man, educated, and living in a liberal state all his life - been exposed to plenty.  It does not "fit" that he would be so innocent about a passed out drunk, repeatedly, several times a week , that that wasn't a problem.  Nope.

Maybe a lot of people do not see the signs of an alcohol problem, but Terri had a DUI, and a child in the car, that is a clear message that a person has an alcohol problem. Yes people change, maybe they never drive drunk again, or maybe they just didn't get caught again. And I'm also sure people lie and make up stories to make themselves look better and their spouse look like the devil during a divorce. Kaine has to be embellishing the drinking issue that Terri has, if he isn't, well, it looks to me he just didn't care about her drinking.

BBM

It's possible, but it's also possible that Kaine had headphones on while working and Kaira was with Terri.

We can also assume because the LE stayed at the house, that she couldn't have been there at 2am, the other sighting. Remember the LE guy said he only went home for 4 hours each night. We don't know when that 4 hours was. You may also think that DY and TY stayed at the Horman house. Well they didn't, and by that I mean they didn't sleep there.

So the scenario, is possible.

Janet - agree.

I'm not saying Kaine disappeared Kyron either. 

It is very odd about the "ground rules" - in fact - stunning!  It still bothers me today, even though I've known it for a while now.
Putting together what happened with Kaine/Desiree and Kaine's sworn affidavit re: Terri, it makes one think about why Desiree didn't fight for Kyron after getting married to Tony or why Terri was hanging in on such a bad marriage - maybe because they "knew" how difficult Kaine would be.  After all, they're the ones married to him and would know him the best (especially Terri because she saw him through the divorce with Desiree and had first hand knowledge how Kaine would be to go through a divorce with). 

I do believe the "ground rules" were put there by Kaine to protect Kaine.  We just don't know all the parts yet.

Maybe a lot of people do not see the signs of an alcohol problem, but Terri had a DUI, and a child in the car, that is a clear message that a person has an alcohol problem. Yes people change, maybe they never drive drunk again, or maybe they just didn't get caught again. And I'm also sure people lie and make up stories to make themselves look better and their spouse look like the devil during a divorce. Kaine has to be embellishing the drinking issue that Terri has, if he isn't, well, it looks to me he just didn't care about her drinking.

It would be interesting to know how often Kaine worked from home.  Why on the afternoon of June 4, 2010?

It would also be interesting to know if Kaine was at work on the morning of June 4, 2010 as he claims. It has never been revealed.  All Intel employees conformed to the instructions in Kaine's email to not to talk to the media.

The alleged MFH plot and the alleged suspicions of the LE regarding Terri involvement in the disappearance of Kyron are the reasons cited behind Terri being evicted from her home and ... the loss of her daughter.  However ... it is obvious that six months later there is no evidence connecting her with either allegation or at the very least she would be declared a person of interest.

Tracygirl ... think about it.  Terri has not challenged either allegation.  It boggles my mind.

Janet

How many days after K's disappearance did they go to the Gym.. here I am thinking that Kaine has some inside info from LE to keep his life normal, and accompany T to the gym, and what ever to gather or gain some insight into what she might say or disclose that they may not have heard yet.  JMO..

This always rubbed me the wrong way too...most wive's I know here don't work outside the home, yet they work at home (and IMO it's much harder to be a stay home mom when kids are younger), but I don't know one that wouldn't kick their hubby in the b***s for this type stmt, IMOO another issue about control:

Terri also told friends that Kaine tried to control her spending

"Controlling with my money — yeah," Kaine said, "because she was spending all of it. She was going out and spending it like water and not checking with me where we should be spending our money."
 ::MonkeyRoll::
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html

It would be interesting to know how often Kaine worked from home.  Why on the afternoon of June 4, 2010?

It would also be interesting to know if Kaine was at work on the morning of June 4, 2010 as he claims. It has never been revealed.  All Intel employees conformed to the instructions in Kaine's email to not to talk to the media.

The alleged MFH plot and the alleged suspicions of the LE regarding Terri involvement in the disappearance of Kyron are the reasons cited behind Terri being evicted from her home and ... the loss of her daughter.  However ... it is obvious that six months later there is no evidence connecting her with either allegation or at the very least she would be declared a person of interest.

Tracygirl ... think about it.  Terri has not challenged either allegation.  It boggles my mind.
Janet

Just don't know who to believe..at this point, but Kaine has come out in front of the media and told his side; T has not done this.  Can't imagine why if she has nothing to hide! I would be revealing all, but she has a good reason, I guess, not to say one thing; because it just might incriminate her. JMO

Logic dictates that Kaine's actions went above and beyond sexting when he was carrying on an affair with Terri just prior to the birth of Kyron ... an affair that caused  unimaginable pain to Desiree.  Nevertheless ... somehow Kaine was able to gain custody of Kyron.

I am not justifying the actions of either Kaine or Terri.   I consider the actions of both these so-called parents dispicable and selfish but ... I fail to understand the double standard in favor of Kaine.

Janet

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Kaine Horman calls his estranged wife 'severely emotionally disturbed,' releases more texts between Terri Horman and Michael Cook
Published: Monday, October 25, 2010, 5:00 PM
Updated: Tuesday, October 26, 2010, 6:02 PM

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/10/kaine_horman_calls_his_estrang.html\

It would be interesting to know how often Kaine worked from home.  Why on the afternoon of June 4, 2010?

It would also be interesting to know if Kaine was at work on the morning of June 4, 2010 as he claims. It has never been revealed.  All Intel employees conformed to the instructions in Kaine's email to not to talk to the media.

The alleged MFH plot and the alleged suspicions of the LE regarding Terri involvement in the disappearance of Kyron are the reasons cited behind Terri being evicted from her home and ... the loss of her daughter.  However ... it is obvious that six months later there is no evidence connecting her with either allegation or at the very least she would be declared a person of interest.

Tracygirl ... think about it.  Terri has not challenged either allegation.  It boggles my mind.

Janet

You know Janet how I judge if a person has done something wrong or not. I ask, would I want my child to do that or would I want that to be done to my child. So if I take this and consider my son cheating on a woman who was carrying his child, I would be beyond disappointed in him, infact I think I would be very pissed off at them.  And that is even if their marriage was on the rocks or not. I would expect him to be able to conduct himself in such a way to be an example of how a husband and father behaves.
Now if the husband of my step daughter was to cheat on her while she was pg with his child? Well that man better go into hiding and I mean that! I think it has to be the worse thing a man can do to a woman. No pass from me, and if anyone thinks differently then I suppose we have different views on how people should treat one another.

Is the root of all of this money ? She was spending HIS money ?
Didn't he later say that she had her money and he had his ?
Hers was running out. So, she would have none.

Is the root of all of this money ? She was spending HIS money ?
Didn't he later say that she had her money and he had his ?
Hers was running out. So, she would have none.

Wish, now, that I could remember where I "recently" read that Kaine/Desiree were married one year and filed for divorce the next.  They were really married a short time.  So much happened in that short time.

What things are we aware of that Kaine did for the household (other than salary)?

It boils down (I think) to the fact that this scenario is so unique.  A divorce case going on in the middle of a criminal investigation.  There were obvious attempts to "get" Terri - LE sting operation re: MFH (he said; she said); LE informing Terri she didn't pass LDT (of which made her furious), etc. If Terri challenged the loss of her daughter at this point it would be tantamont to trying the criminal charges in a civil divorce case.  Unheard of because of losing "rights" afforded to us all to have a "fair trial"...and why it's the first case like this in the State of Oregon.  If Terri gets tried about possible criminal aspects in a civil court, she loses rights.  We all know that civil court has lower threasholds, etc.  It could be that Terri's attorneys are so protective of her rights because Terri has guilt OR because she has no guilt and doesn't want to jeopardize her innocence by statements being misconstrued or manipulated in a civil trial OR simply because she's entitled to her rightsIt all revolves around the "civil" case coming "before" any criminal charges have been decided.  IMO that is one of the main reasons Kaine is pushing for the divorce so soon...her potential loss of rights.

I thought he said they didn't have access to each others accountsand that is why he didn't know what she was spending the money on? (or something like that)

There have been a few comments I have read that as a woman, wife and mother bothers me so much. He says, she was spending HIS money, HE was the full time care taker of the children because he worked at home for 3-5 days per week. Well according to him on the day Kyron went missing, he came home, gave the baby a kiss, made a sandwich and went into his office to work. Then he came out, put shoes on the baby and walked to meet Kyrons' bus. So as he works at home, the baby was with Terri, how is he the full time care taker? Granted I take those comments a bit personaly and I need to remove my feelings for my stupid ex husband from the equation but man how she could stay silent over those comments really tells me she has a lot of control. 

Could it be that Kaine has inside connections within LE and ... within Intel assisting him in controlling the media to prevent skeltons of his own making within his marriage to Terri from being revealed.

Janet

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Controlling the Media

June 18, 2010 4:51 PM
Kyron Horman Update: Cops Ask Public for Information about Stepmother, Believed to Have Last Seen Boy

ADD A COMMENT

by tmittelstaed June 19, 2010 12:38 AM EDT

The only thing we know (and I live in OR so have read quite a lot about this case) is that the family immediately went into seclusion the first week of Kyron's disappearance, and -everyone- (and I mean everyone) remotely conected to the family has been absolutely close-lipped with regards to the families situation. There has been nothing in the way of family members or relatives talking to reporters and doing anything other than echoing the party line. Kyron's family has information about it's internal workings locked down so tight that it would put the CIA to shame, and they have managed the press to say what they want better than a lot of professional companies who manage politicians press interfaces have done.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20008192-504083.html


Kyron Horman’s Family Boots WW and The Oregonian from Bizarre News Event
1:04 PM July 1st, 2010
by James Pitkin

The saga of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman got a little more bizarre today at a news conference held this morning by the boy’s family.

The event at Brooks Hill Historic Church was arranged on Wednesday by Kyron’s father Kaine Horman, biological mother Desiree Young and her husband, Medford Police Detective Tony Young.

Absent was Terri Moulton Horman, the stepmom investigators say was the last person known to have seen Kyron before his June 4 disappearance. Kaine Horman filed for divorce and a restraining order against her earlier this week. And she’s since hired star criminal defense attorney Stephen Houze.

Today, Kaine Horman and the Youngs sat at the head of a table in a room filled with more than two dozen national and local reporters for print, TV and radio. As the meeting began at 10 a.m., Kaine Horman started out by explaining “the agenda.” This wasn’t going to be a typical press conference.

Horman said the family’s goal was to make “the story” about Kyron. With news of the divorce and investigators homing in on the stepmom, media coverage (including in WW) has increasingly focused on Kyron’s troubled family.

First came Horman’s “ground rules,” as he described them. No cameras. No recordings. Everything was off the record and couldn’t be reported, unless agreed otherwise. Horman made everyone in the room agree to these rules before proceeding. And so this roomful of reporters consented, in essence, not to be reporters.

Horman then laid out how the meeting would go. They would take questions, make some phone calls (presumably to investigators, to find out what they could say in their answers), then return and make an on-the-record statement. But first, Horman wanted all the reporters he didn’t know to introduce themselves.

KEX radio, KATU, The Portland Tribune and “Inside Edition” all got the nod from Horman. But then came Shane Kavanaugh and Bryan Denson of The Oregonian.

Horman said the family didn’t like The Oregonian’s coverage and wanted them to leave. Horman said the daily had failed to be a “team player.”

“This is a team, and if we’re not going to play as a team, there’s no point in being here,” Horman said. “This is about Kyron.”

Denson objected, saying he’s new to the story and after 28 years in journalism he’s “a pretty good reporter.” But there was no arguing. The family wanted The O gone, and a woman who said she’s a manager at the church escorted them out. The biggest newspaper in the state had been eighty-sixed.

I introduced myself and said I’m with Willamette Week. Horman said the family has the same problem with WW. I agreed to leave. And so the paper with the second-biggest circulation in Oregon was also kicked out.

As far as I was concerned, after getting kicked out all deals were off. I wasn’t going to keep the meeting off the record.

According to a reporter who stayed, the family went on to lay out more “ground rules” for the future. They said they’d hold these “news conferences” (if you can call them that) twice a week, on Mondays and Thursdays, as time allows. They would make prepared statements, answer some questions submitted in writing and may also do occasional interviews.

“They want us to cover Kyron, and they’re not going to get neck-deep in gossip and rumors,” the reporter said.

ABC News convinced the family to make an on-the-record statement in front of one camera, with the tape available as pool footage for other reporters. After more than an hour inside the church, the reporters were sent outside while the family stayed in to prepare a statement.

The reporter at the scene said The Oregonian had somehow gotten back on the family’s good side and was among those waiting outside to hear the prepared statement.

At shortly after 12:30, the family emerged from the church and Desiree Young gave a brief statement in which she implored Terri Moulton Horman to cooperate with investigators. She also said the family believes Kyron is still alive.

<snipped>

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/01/kyron-hormans-family-boots-ww-and-the-oregonian/


More Notes from the Strange Press Conference with Kyron Horman’s Family
4:14 PM July 1st, 2010
by James Pitkin

As we’ve already reported, WW was kicked out of this morning’s news conference by the family of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman.

But our reporter friends have continued to fill us in on what we missed. After mother Desiree Young gave a tearful statement, she answered some questions submitted by the media.

Here are one reporter’s notes from the question-and-answer session:

<snipped>

The family is helping with the case everyday by working with investigators and the media to make sure his face stays out there. They’re handing out fliers, getting t-shirts out there. Desiree said it is her goal for everyone any where in the world to know what Kyron looks like.

They have been fully briefed by police and they are optimistic. They are fully confident in the investigation and investigators who are doing everything they can to find Kyron.

Next week they will meet with media at 10am on Tuesday since Monday is a holiday. On Thursday they will do interviews starting at 4pm but nothing live. Everything taped as has to be held for air until Friday because Kyron went missing on a Friday.

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/01/more-notes-from-the-strange-press-conference-with-kyron-hormans-family/
 

Missing Child - Kyron Horman, 7
Posted on Jun 07, 2010
 
Below is an email from Kyron's father.

From: Horman, Kaine A
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 8:39 AM
Subject: FW: Kaine Horman's son is missing

All,

If you have seen local Oregon news or been browsing the internet or FaceBook there is a good chance you have seen an article similar to the one that Becky forwarded (below).  While this note is difficult for me to write in this state of mind I felt it necessary for Kyron’s sake.

Optional actions for you:

The Intel network is large and wide-reaching.  Many have asked me what they can do to help us and my answer is the following:

1.       Forward Kyron’s information to as many people as you feel comfortable with; the more people that see this will increase our chances of finding him

2.     Do not speak to any media if contacted; I am trying to contact Intel legal to give them the heads up and help with this situation

BBM  ::MonkeyEek:: a "situation"??????????????????? Whatever, IIRC one of he last stmts he said he wasn't going to be held hostage by the event, I need to go back and look and had completely never realized ther terminology of a missing child

Physical description at the time of his disappearance (picture is show in Becky’s note and here):

He is 3 foot 8 and 50 pounds, with blue eyes and brown hair. He was wearing black cargo pants, white socks, worn black Sketcher tennis shoes with orange trim and dark-colored t-shirt with the "CSI" show logo

Police Hot Line Number:

(503) 261-2847

Some rough background:

The article that Becky forwarded is pretty accurate with details.  He was dropped off at school about 8:45 and went missing sometime between then and 9 or 9:30am.  We did not know he was not at school until we went to get him off of the bus at 3:30 and he was nowhere to be found.  The bus driver immediately called the school which responded that his teacher had not seen him all day in class, at which point we notified police in partnership with the school.  It is still unknown whether he left school grounds on his own or was abducted.  Be assured that there are currently an amazing number of agencies and amount of person-power being applied to the search and investigation.

Thank you all for the thoughts and prayers for Kyron’s safe return.  I will update the group once status changes which will hopefully be soon.  At the time of this note Kyron has now been missing for ~48 hours; time is of the essence.

Kaine Horman
Enterprise Business Architect
Intel Corporation

http://ackerlaw.com/posts/2010/06/07/missing_child__kyron_horman_7

I thought he said they didn't have access to each others accountsand that is why he didn't know what she was spending the money on? (or something like that)

There have been a few comments I have read that as a woman, wife and mother bothers me so much. He says, she was spending HIS money, HE was the full time care taker of the children because he worked at home for 3-5 days per week. Well according to him on the day Kyron went missing, he came home, gave the baby a kiss, made a sandwich and went into his office to work. Then he came out, put shoes on the baby and walked to meet Kyrons' bus. So as he works at home, the baby was with Terri, how is he the full time care taker? Granted I take those comments a bit personaly and I need to remove my feelings for my stupid ex husband from the equation but man how she could stay silent over those comments really tells me she has a lot of control. 

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Kaine is losing all credibility in his quest to vilify Terri.

Janet

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Kaine Horman: "Terri was a good person when we first met"
Posted on July 16, 2010 at 12:12 PM
Updated today at 1:56 PM

In his response to questions from KGW, Kaine acknowledged that people have commented about 'how could he marry a woman like this' and how could he 'not see this coming.'

In response, he wrote: "Terri was a good person when we first met and for several years (I’d say up until 2008). She was always about children (teaching) and helping them grow and develop. Her attitude was always about those types of things first, her own self not even being a priority close to that. I believe that this is the Terri that everyone else saw and got to know as I did."

"Honestly everyone, including myself, that knew her or knows her did not see this coming. She was not the type of person we are seeing right now," added Kaine Horman.

"There were some signs of emotional distress here and there over the past year and a half but not enough of that directed at any one person to conclude she would be capable of anything even remotely close to events of the severity we have all seen."

http://www.kgw.com/news/Kaine-Horman-Terri-was-a-good-person-when-we-first-met-98620944.html

How many days after K's disappearance did they go to the Gym.. here I am thinking that Kaine has some inside info from LE to keep his life normal, and accompany T to the gym, and what ever to gather or gain some insight into what she might say or disclose that they may not have heard yet.  JMO..

Okay now..to me this whole pic of them out side the gym in the first week has been over stated..and then understated.  You see, the gym they were at was also the gym that was a headquarters of sorts for the dropping off of food and supplies for the searchers.

So it makes perfect sense they would have been there to cooridinate that and then worked out..it was a gym and they needed to show that connection to them for the public and other members.

I don't care if they worked out or not, they snubbed reporters, they were asked questions and didn't respond or look at them. They put things in their trunk, got into the car and drove away. Who does that?

Okay now..to me this whole pic of them out side the gym in the first week has been over stated..and then understated.  You see, the gym they were at was also the gym that was a headquarters of sorts for the dropping off of food and supplies for the searchers.

So it makes perfect sense they would have been there to cooridinate that and then worked out..it was a gym and they needed to show that connection to them for the public and other members.

Okay now..to me this whole pic of them out side the gym in the first week has been over stated..and then understated.  You see, the gym they were at was also the gym that was a headquarters of sorts for the dropping off of food and supplies for the searchers.

So it makes perfect sense they would have been there to cooridinate that and then worked out..it was a gym and they needed to show that connection to them for the public and other members.

OT-could some put this story where it belongs please? If there is not a thread started on this story, could someone start it?

Jonathan Foster 12, missing from Houston Tx.
http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairballs/2010/12/jonathan_foster_12_have_you_se.php

Thanks

I don't care if they worked out or not, they snubbed reporters, they were asked questions and didn't respond or look at them. They put things in their trunk, got into the car and drove away. Who does that?

Re: JONATHAN FOSTER, 12 YEARS OLD MISSING SINCE 12/24/2010 HOUSTON TEXAS

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9202.msg1280948#new

I agree. They could have at least said thank you.

::HelloKitty::

I agree that it was bad behavior.  But remember that TH was already saying that people were persecuting her.  So Kaine may have just being protective. 

And the gym owner was not that enamored of TH's behavior.  Her Not saying" thank you "and whatever else he said about her.

Yes, I would think this is the Attoneys main role, to protect their clients rights. I would imagine he has told Terri to shut up and not say one word. do not react to anything or be seen out. Just lay low...James had said his mother is not reading on the internet, not going out, not watching the news. I have no idea if James really knows or not, but I would gather this is the truth as he knows it and has no reason to lie.
Of course I would be reacting all over the place if my ex was saying I was a drunk that did nothing all day. So is Kaine intentionally trying to get her to speak out?

Kaine's statements, the inconsistencies ( about Terri ),. the gym thing with the reporters, the family not showing their faces, the memo to Intel employees, well they acted like persons with something to hide. This all happened around the same time as his brother was going to jail, maybe that was part of the reluctance. Terri's reluctance, she didn't want her face out there because I think she didn't want something known, like an affair /  going to the bar or a liquor store frequently. Maybe they were hoping Kyron would be retrieved quickly and they could keep all their dirty laundry out of the pubic eye. 

His son was missing, LE had changed it to endangered missing, the press is asking them how they could help and kaine was worried about what people were saying about Terri? So do you think Kaine would alway put Terri's well being over that of his children?

 

His son was missing, LE had changed it to endangered missing, the press is asking them how they could help and kaine was worried about what people were saying about Terri? So do you think Kaine would alway put Terri's well being over that of his children?

 

She wouldn't have to watch the news or go on the internet to know about Kaine's filing - that was a "legal" document and I'm sure her attorneys made sure she saw that document and they went over every sentence, every word contained within.

Just a guess, it could be that or possibly she is listening to her atty's advice after 2 poly's, home , computer and truck searched without warrants and intense questioning. Oh, forgot about LE and the MFH sting........I think I'd have retained an atty a longgggg time before she did. I am not saying she is innocent, I am stating there is not enough evidence that we know of to convict her, and to much random odd conflicting info from others. How do we know what she told LE during all those hours she was questioned??? We don't...... JMO

Also, Kaine tells what he wants to tell IMO....let be real, there are certain things he won't answer such as "where & how did you meet..specifically".

Could it be that Kaine has inside connections within LE and ... within Intel assisting him in controlling the media to prevent skeltons of his own making within his marriage to Terri from being revealed.

Janet

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Yes, it could be so.  Anything is possible at this point because we don't know the "facts" yet.

I am not sure if that matters to me or not. He was married, Desiree was prg with his child. He did something I would never want my son(s) to do or have happen to my step daughters. He was fairly young though, so perhaps it was immaturity, still no pass from me.

Continuing on the "let's be real" thought:  Kaine's words in his sworn affidavit with the court and his words to us the public....don't jive.  One version or the other is not the truth.  I hope he's not filing an untruthful document with the court.  If he is filing the truth with the court, then there's plenty of reason for Bunch to fight against Kaine having full custody of Kiara.

I am reading backwards to catch up...I snipped this from a post...it is what Kaine told Intel associates? Correct me if I am wrong.

Some rough background:

The article that Becky forwarded is pretty accurate with details.  He was dropped off at school about 8:45 and went missing sometime between then and 9 or 9:30am.  We did not know he was not at school until we went to get him off of the bus at 3:30 and he was nowhere to be found.  The bus driver immediately called the school which responded that his teacher had not seen him all day in class, at which point we notified police in partnership with the school.  It is still unknown whether he left school grounds on his own or was abducted.  Be assured that there are currently an amazing number of agencies and amount of person-power being applied to the search and investigation.

Thank you all for the thoughts and prayers for Kyron’s safe return.  I will update the group once status changes which will hopefully be soon.  At the time of this note Kyron has now been missing for ~48 hours; time is of the essence.

Kaine Horman
Enterprise Business Architect
Intel Corporation

He says.."he was dropped off at school at about 8:45"...which does not seem accurate to me.

Wish, now, that I could remember where I "recently" read that Kaine/Desiree were married one year and filed for divorce the next.  They were really married a short time.  So much happened in that short time.

I am just curious. Does anyone know how long KH and TH were married before she got preg with Kiara?

TG~
Yes I noticed more when I went back an watched it again just a few days ago.......far more pronounced than I remembered, and when I compared the text of Tony's stmt vs Kaine's stmt I was shocked to put it mildly.  ITA is was a o chit moment.....kinda like, what have I done. JMOO

IslandG-I think you are an angel for helping your stepchildren so much.  ::MonkeyAngel::

TG - totally agree about Kaine shouldn't have been having an affair while Desiree was pregnant-shouldn't have been having an affair at all while married.  The point I was trying to make is that they were married such a short time - and - according to Kaine, their marriage was already over when he was having an affair with Terri.  Hello?  The marriage was only months old at that time!  Did he ever love her? Was he that unhappy about the pregnancy? I really do NOT want to know the answers to those questions, but, just making a point that according to Kaine the marriage was over before it had barely begun.

I am just curious. Does anyone know how long KH and TH were married before she got preg with Kiara?

IslandG-I think you are an angel for helping your stepchildren so much.  ::MonkeyAngel::

I don't care if they worked out or not, they snubbed reporters, they were asked questions and didn't respond or look at them. They put things in their trunk, got into the car and drove away. Who does that?

I recall him stating that also, but in that article and in other places I have read that she had to contribute to the household expense......and I thought WTF??? I'd tell my DH to hire someone to do everything and then let's see how much cheaper it is, also I can't imagine contributing to a home that I shared ZERO interest in, maybe it's just me but it would be a cold day in he77 before I would think that fly with me, blustery cold day .......

I don't care if they worked out or not, they snubbed reporters, they were asked questions and didn't respond or look at them. They put things in their trunk, got into the car and drove away. Who does that?

::HelloKitty::

I agree that it was bad behavior.  But remember that TH was already saying that people were persecuting her.  So Kaine may have just being protective. 

And the gym owner was not that enamored of TH's behavior.  Her Not saying" thank you "and whatever else he said about her.

I am just curious. Does anyone know how long KH and TH were married before she got preg with Kiara?

From my notes:

Desiree Young – Kyron’s biological mother. She married Kaine Horman in 2002; their relationship soured and they planned to separate; however, she became pregnant and they decided to try to make their relationship work. However, in August 2002, Desiree filed for divorce. Kyron was born September 9, 2002. They were officially divorced in 2003.

I could find a link if necessary.

Kaine and Terri were married in a bathing suit ceremony in April 2007 in Kauai, the Garden Isle of Hawaii.

Kiara - daughter of Kaine and Terri Moulton Hormon, DOB December 8, 2008.

And I remember reading long way back (don't have a link) that Terri said Kaine didn't want them talking to the press.  IMO it was Kaine's idea not to talk about the press.  He was the bio parent...the one with the "say".

Kaine and Terri were married in a bathing suit ceremony in April 2007 in Kauai, the Garden Isle of Hawaii.

Kiara - daughter of Kaine and Terri Moulton Hormon, DOB December 8, 2008.

I am reading backwards to catch up...I snipped this from a post...it is what Kaine told Intel associates? Correct me if I am wrong.

Some rough background:

The article that Becky forwarded is pretty accurate with details.  He was dropped off at school about 8:45 and went missing sometime between then and 9 or 9:30am.  We did not know he was not at school until we went to get him off of the bus at 3:30 and he was nowhere to be found.  The bus driver immediately called the school which responded that his teacher had not seen him all day in class, at which point we notified police in partnership with the school.  It is still unknown whether he left school grounds on his own or was abducted.  Be assured that there are currently an amazing number of agencies and amount of person-power being applied to the search and investigation.

Thank you all for the thoughts and prayers for Kyron’s safe return.  I will update the group once status changes which will hopefully be soon.  At the time of this note Kyron has now been missing for ~48 hours; time is of the essence.

Kaine Horman
Enterprise Business Architect
Intel Corporation

He says.."he was dropped off at school at about 8:45"...which does not seem accurate to me.

IIRC I think it was a few yrs........I think they married in 05?

I will look for a link and BRB

darn TH was a busy drunk..all makin' science fair posters, being mean to kids, taking pictures of them, carting them around and what have you.  for a lady passed out on the couch she had a lot of energy.

I believe they were married in 07 and Kiara was born in 08...

Maybe they had the no drinks till 5:00 pm rule-she could still be a drunk.

IMO, if one is "passed-out drunk" several nights a week, those next "mornings" you would have a difficult time operating - terrible headaches and alcohol drains the energy out of you.  Where did Terri get all of her energy?  Good question!

she wasn't a drunk?  she was on meth?  idk.

Haven't you heard? Red Bull gives you wings.

Personally, I don't think Terri was skinny enough, or hagard looking to be using meth. She also didn't appear to have festering sores from being picked. Ewww...

idk.  i just know they call it speed. 

Personally, I don't think Terri was skinny enough, or hagard looking to be using meth. She also didn't appear to have festering sores from being picked. Ewww...

A big red flag for me was the bio's not appealing to the media right away- removing the two biggest news sources and not appealing to the public.
The hours lost that first day, the time lost getting the message to the public by the family, it's like there was no rush- a missing child is urget. Why so many delays?

Slow- as in deliberate.

And while I'm at it, Kaine is doing everything to make Terri look like a alcoholic, dyfunctional, fill in the blanks to get custody and possibly spousal support-assuming if Terri would be eligible. I am not familiar with the law, but in some states Terri could live in the house with Kiara until she turns 18 years old.

i agree.  that would leave me to believe the kh knew all about her drinking (either way) and had no issue until the divorce.  and who the heck knows, she could have been very functional.  it really didn't seem to bother him either way 'til all this mess.

It seems rather odd that Kaine's marriages seem to go sour when his wives get pregnant. What is the number one cause of death for a pregnant woman? MURDER! Many men just cannot handle a pregnant wife for so many reasons. I think Kaine was tired of Terri and was treating her poorly. I think Terri had enough and snapped and there went Kyron. I hope that Terri rots in jail but I still cannot stand Kaine either.

It seems rather odd that Kaine's marriages seem to go sour when his wives get pregnant. What is the number one cause of death for a pregnant woman? MURDER! Many men just cannot handle a pregnant wife for so many reasons. I think Kaine was tired of Terri and was treating her poorly. I think Terri had enough and snapped and there went Kyron. I hope that Terri rots in jail but I still cannot stand Kaine either.

You were thinking what I had not said yet.

Okay...divorce court date is Jan. 6...next Thursday.

"If" LE has not arrested Terri by then, or at least made an announcement to the public that Terri is a suspect, how is the judge going to look at that?  Is he going to delay the divorce for another 30 or 60 days?  Or is he going to go forward with the divorce hearing?

I don't know, but if there are "things" they want to subpeona such as the 911 call from December and LE won't do it, how can they really proceed with the divorce when it's dis-allowing her defense to accusations perse...unless they bifurcate the divorce which I have seen happen but only rarely. If Terri is arrested and there is good evidence I think the divorce might be able to proceed, however I am not a lawyer and just speculating again :gaah:

TIMELINE IN A NUTSHELL

2000
- Kaine and Desiree are married.

2002
- Kaine and Terri have an affair
- Desiree files for divorce
- Kyron is born.

2003
- Desiree and Kaine are divorced.
- Desiree and Kaine share custody of Kaine.
- Desiree is the primary caregiver.

2004
- Desiree suffers kidney failure.
- Kyron lives with Kaine, Terri and James.
- Desiree does not regain custody of Kyron.

2007
- Terri and Kaine are married

2008
- Kiara is born

From my notes:

Desiree Young – Kyron’s biological mother. She married Kaine Horman in 2002; their relationship soured and they planned to separate; however, she became pregnant and they decided to try to make their relationship work. However, in August 2002, Desiree filed for divorce. Kyron was born September 9, 2002. They were officially divorced in 2003.
I could find a link if necessary.

Janet,

I'm pretty sure Kaine/Desiree were married in 2002.  They were only married "months" before it was over....sad...

Bifurcate - meaning complete the "divorce" but put off into the future the "settlement" and "child custody"?

Does anyone remember when Kyron told Desiree that he wanted to live with her? How soon before he went missing?

I seem to recall that it was late summer or fall before the next June - approx. 9-10 months.

Does anyone remember when Kyron told Desiree that he wanted to live with her? How soon before he went missing?

Janet - bumping this forward for you to see - check out Brandi's post (bbm) above.

Janet, I've read more than one place that Kaine/Desiree got married in 2002.  Wish I had the links.  Brandi said she could provide a link to her posting, if needed.  Perhaps Brandi would be kind enough to post a link for us.

I remember a few months ago that "Wyks" posted some information about Desiree's divorce and the restraining order that Desiree took out to keep Kaine from taking the two boys. 

Wyks - if you're in the rafters reading, would you please sign-in and let us know if you have any information about the "date that Kaine/Desiree got married"?  TIA

Young, Desiree (McCollough Hormon) - Kyron's mother, married Kaine Hormon in 2002, divorced 2003. Currently married to Tony Young, and work as an accountant at Lithia Motors in Medford, Oregon. DOB April 24, 1972

I recently watched that video...several times...obvious snub...not one word...not even "we can't talke right now"...nothing.

If my son was missing and I thought he was being stashed away or held by someone, I would make a direct "plea to the person" holding my son to let him go. 

We've never heard such a plea from anyone in this case - not even either of the bio parents.

That seems unnatural to me.  IMO it would be natural to plead with whoever had my child to let him come home.  I would be so upset I would want to scream those words.

But I've never heard those words stated on behalf of Kyron.

What did it mean when Kaine stated he knows Kyron could hear him or when he said into the camera home is safe, it is just him and Kiara, just come home? Does he think  someone is holding Kyron because Kyron wanted to run away? Does he think Kyron is in the area and that is why he can hear him?

What did it mean when Kaine stated he knows Kyron could hear him or when he said into the camera home is safe, it is just him and Kiara, just come home? Does he think  someone is holding Kyron because Kyron wanted to run away? Does he think Kyron is in the area and that is why he can hear him?

IDK - that was eerie, though.  Why not just ask the person holding Kyron to let him go?

It was a bit strange Puzzler. He was speaking as if Kyron was a runaway hiding at a friends home. Out of all of the possible things I consider that one very far from being reality. I wish that was the case but then how does Terri fit into it all? did he say that to add more "hate Terri" fuel?

It is very odd. If he means that it is safe for Kyron to come home because Terri is no longer there, than where does he think that Kyron is, if Terri did not harm him? Does he think that Kyron is sitting by a television?

I think it was said to add more fuel to the fire....but...what about a relative's house?  We've heard nothing about LE checking out Kaine's relatives...which live close by in Washington.

Why does Kaine need to add more fuel to the fire? Why is public opinion important now? In the beginning he wanted the public to know nothing about his life, now it is important for us to know how awful Terri is. Perhaps she is, but what happend to the privacy he wanted wayy in the beginning, no talking to the press, snubbing them when they ask what they can do? If this is all because of the divorce and custody, the judge is not going to consider public opinion when deciding custody, it will be based on facts.


I have a question of something I am not clear on, what happens if Terri talks, if she comes out and says none of it is true, I didn't take Kyron, last time I saw him he was safely at school. Does something change for Terri?   

It was a bit strange Puzzler. He was speaking as if Kyron was a runaway hiding at a friends home. Out of all of the possible things I consider that one very far from being reality. I wish that was the case but then how does Terri fit into it all? did he say that to add more "hate Terri" fuel?

I think it was said to add more fuel to the fire....but...what about a relative's house?  We've heard nothing about LE checking out Kaine's relatives...which live close by in Washington.

Yep snubbed them, why and who does that?

What did Stanton mean when he said: What we once suspected, we no longer suspect?

Thoughts?

<snip, snip>
The saga of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman got a little more bizarre today at a news conference held this morning by the boy’s family....

The event at Brooks Hill Historic Church was arranged on Wednesday by Kyron’s father Kaine Horman, biological mother Desiree Young and her husband, Medford Police Detective Tony Young.

Absent was Terri Moulton Horman, the stepmom investigators say was the last person known to have seen Kyron before his June 4 disappearance. Kaine Horman filed for divorce and a restraining order against her earlier this week. And she’s since hired star criminal defense attorney Stephen Houze.

Today, Kaine Horman and the Youngs sat at the head of a table in a room filled with more than two dozen national and local reporters for print, TV and radio. As the meeting began at 10 a.m., Kaine Horman started out by explaining “the agenda.” This wasn’t going to be a typical press conference.

Horman said the family’s goal was to make “the story” about Kyron. With news of the divorce and investigators homing in on the stepmom, media coverage (including in WW) has increasingly focused on Kyron’s troubled family.

First came Horman’s “ground rules,” as he described them. No cameras. No recordings. Everything was off the record and couldn’t be reported, unless agreed otherwise. Horman made everyone in the room agree to these rules before proceeding. And so this roomful of reporters consented, in essence, not to be reporters.

Horman then laid out how the meeting would go. They would take questions, make some phone calls (presumably to investigators, to find out what they could say in their answers), then return and make an on-the-record statement. But first, Horman wanted all the reporters he didn’t know to introduce themselves.

KEX radio, KATU, The Portland Tribune and “Inside Edition” all got the nod from Horman. But then came Shane Kavanaugh and Bryan Denson of The Oregonian.

Horman said the family didn’t like The Oregonian’s coverage and wanted them to leave. Horman said the daily had failed to be a “team player.”

“This is a team, and if we’re not going to play as a team, there’s no point in being here,” Horman said. “This is about Kyron.”

Denson objected, saying he’s new to the story and after 28 years in journalism he’s “a pretty good reporter.” But there was no arguing. The family wanted The O gone, and a woman who said she’s a manager at the church escorted them out. The biggest newspaper in the state had been eighty-sixed.

I introduced myself and said I’m with Willamette Week. Horman said the family has the same problem with WW. I agreed to leave. And so the paper with the second-biggest circulation in Oregon was also kicked out.

As far as I was concerned, after getting kicked out all deals were off. I wasn’t going to keep the meeting off the record.

According to a reporter who stayed, the family went on to lay out more “ground rules” for the future. They said they’d hold these “news conferences” (if you can call them that) twice a week, on Mondays and Thursdays, as time allows. They would make prepared statements, answer some questions submitted in writing and may also do occasional interviews.

“They want us to cover Kyron, and they’re not going to get neck-deep in gossip and rumors,” the reporter said.

ABC News convinced the family to make an on-the-record statement in front of one camera, with the tape available as pool footage for other reporters. After more than an hour inside the church, the reporters were sent outside while the family stayed in to prepare a statement.

The reporter at the scene said The Oregonian had somehow gotten back on the family’s good side and was among those waiting outside to hear the prepared statement.

At shortly after 12:30, the family emerged from the church and Desiree Young gave a brief statement in which she implored Terri Moulton Horman to cooperate with investigators. She also said the family believes Kyron is still alive. Check out the video with KATU’s coverage here.

From: Horman, Kaine A
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 8:39 AM
Subject: FW: Kaine Horman's son is missing

All,
If you have seen local Oregon news or been browsing the internet or FaceBook there is a good chance you have seen an article similar to the one that Becky forwarded (below).  While this note is difficult for me to write in this state of mind I felt it necessary for Kyron’s sake.

Optional actions for you:
The Intel network is large and wide-reaching.  Many have asked me what they can do to help us and my answer is the following:
1.       Forward Kyron’s information to as many people as you feel comfortable with; the more people that see this will increase our chances of finding him
2.       Do not speak to any media if contacted; I am trying to contact Intel legal to give them the heads up and help with this situation

Physical description at the time of his disappearance (picture is show in Becky’s note and here):
He is 3 foot 8 and 50 pounds, with blue eyes and brown hair. He was wearing black cargo pants, white socks, worn black Sketcher tennis shoes with orange trim and dark-colored t-shirt with the "CSI" show logo

Police Hot Line Number:
(503) 261-2847

Some rough background:
The article that Becky forwarded is pretty accurate with details.  He was dropped off at school about 8:45 and went missing sometime between then and 9 or 9:30am.  We did not know he was not at school until we went to get him off of the bus at 3:30 and he was nowhere to be found.  The bus driver immediately called the school which responded that his teacher had not seen him all day in class, at which point we notified police in partnership with the school.  It is still unknown whether he left school grounds on his own or was abducted.  Be assured that there are currently an amazing number of agencies and amount of person-power being applied to the search and investigation.

Thank you all for the thoughts and prayers for Kyron’s safe return.  I will update the group once status changes which will hopefully be soon.  At the time of this note Kyron has now been missing for ~48 hours; time is of the essence.

Puzzler:

Question: When was this?  Was this way back when Staton said something about the final outcome would be shocking?  Or, this a new statement that I may have missed? 

When was the last time LE spoke about Kyron?  I'm a little out of the loop, lately,

Many TIA,

Great work, Monkeys! 

 ::MonkeyGavel::

Email memo from KH to his colleagues:


I suspect he went to the Intel legal department to get details on divorce and custody, JMO. 

And again, two days after Kyron's disappearance he is banishing the media. 
 ::MonkeyMad::

::HelloKitty::

Intel lawyers know just about as much about divorce and custody issues as what any of us do.  those are corporate lawyers and intellectual property lawyers and other stuff that I probably can't even guess lawyers.

But divorce and custody-not a chance.  They protect Intel and do Intl's issues, whatever they are

I think that Intel and their lawyers would have to sift and sort thru Kaine's laptop and any communication he had that was personal and make that available to LE.  Anything proprietary
( owned ) by Intel would be not available for release to LE. That is why Intel lawyers would be involved. Same as at my shop. I have personal emails and personal documents on their system. I also have work stuff ( policies, program workings, etc ) that cannot be released to anyone. I can't even sent it to myself at home. If need be, our lawyers would do that, sift thru and only release the personal.   
Why he didn't want Intel emplyees to speak to the media suggets another thing he wanted to hide. Things he might have said to them. Things that would not be in his best interest and would taint our opinion of HIM. Whenever anyone at my work had had family issues, beleive me, we all knew.Maybe Kaine had communication with a divorce lawyer via his work email. Terri would not have had his Intel password to his work laptop. When persons, not in my industry are set up to work at home, there is always a security issue. There are encryption keys for the senders and decryption keys for selected individuals who would be the recipients. And firewalls and monitoring for breaches.   

I had found it odd that people that worked with Kaine haven't been talking to the press or anything. Maybe Intel has a policy that if they talk about other employers to the public they could get fired?

Well something happened to KH's brother to make him a child molester. That story is all hush hushed, but it could have a connection to this case. <<<speculation by me, who knows *shrugs

Could it be that Kaine has inside connections within LE and ... within Intel assisting him in controlling the media to prevent skeltons of his own making within his marriage to Terri from being revealed?

Janet

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Controlling the Media

Kyron Horman’s Family Boots WW and The Oregonian from Bizarre News Event
1:04 PM July 1st, 2010
by James Pitkin

The saga of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman got a little more bizarre today at a news conference held this morning by the boy’s family.

The event at Brooks Hill Historic Church was arranged on Wednesday by Kyron’s father Kaine Horman, biological mother Desiree Young and her husband, Medford Police Detective Tony Young.

Absent was Terri Moulton Horman, the stepmom investigators say was the last person known to have seen Kyron before his June 4 disappearance. Kaine Horman filed for divorce and a restraining order against her earlier this week. And she’s since hired star criminal defense attorney Stephen Houze.

Today, Kaine Horman and the Youngs sat at the head of a table in a room filled with more than two dozen national and local reporters for print, TV and radio. As the meeting began at 10 a.m., Kaine Horman started out by explaining “the agenda.” This wasn’t going to be a typical press conference.

Horman said the family’s goal was to make “the story” about Kyron. With news of the divorce and investigators homing in on the stepmom, media coverage (including in WW) has increasingly focused on Kyron’s troubled family.

First came Horman’s “ground rules,” as he described them. No cameras. No recordings. Everything was off the record and couldn’t be reported, unless agreed otherwise. Horman made everyone in the room agree to these rules before proceeding. And so this roomful of reporters consented, in essence, not to be reporters.

Horman then laid out how the meeting would go. They would take questions, make some phone calls (presumably to investigators, to find out what they could say in their answers), then return and make an on-the-record statement. But first, Horman wanted all the reporters he didn’t know to introduce themselves.

KEX radio, KATU, The Portland Tribune and “Inside Edition” all got the nod from Horman. But then came Shane Kavanaugh and Bryan Denson of The Oregonian.

Horman said the family didn’t like The Oregonian’s coverage and wanted them to leave. Horman said the daily had failed to be a “team player.”

“This is a team, and if we’re not going to play as a team, there’s no point in being here,” Horman said. “This is about Kyron.”

Denson objected, saying he’s new to the story and after 28 years in journalism he’s “a pretty good reporter.” But there was no arguing. The family wanted The O gone, and a woman who said she’s a manager at the church escorted them out. The biggest newspaper in the state had been eighty-sixed.

I introduced myself and said I’m with Willamette Week. Horman said the family has the same problem with WW. I agreed to leave. And so the paper with the second-biggest circulation in Oregon was also kicked out.

As far as I was concerned, after getting kicked out all deals were off. I wasn’t going to keep the meeting off the record.

According to a reporter who stayed, the family went on to lay out more “ground rules” for the future. They said they’d hold these “news conferences” (if you can call them that) twice a week, on Mondays and Thursdays, as time allows. They would make prepared statements, answer some questions submitted in writing and may also do occasional interviews.

“They want us to cover Kyron, and they’re not going to get neck-deep in gossip and rumors,” the reporter said.

ABC News convinced the family to make an on-the-record statement in front of one camera, with the tape available as pool footage for other reporters. After more than an hour inside the church, the reporters were sent outside while the family stayed in to prepare a statement.

The reporter at the scene said The Oregonian had somehow gotten back on the family’s good side and was among those waiting outside to hear the prepared statement.

At shortly after 12:30, the family emerged from the church and Desiree Young gave a brief statement in which she implored Terri Moulton Horman to cooperate with investigators. She also said the family believes Kyron is still alive.

<snipped>

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/01/kyron-hormans-family-boots-ww-and-the-oregonian/


More Notes from the Strange Press Conference with Kyron Horman’s Family
4:14 PM July 1st, 2010
by James Pitkin

As we’ve already reported, WW was kicked out of this morning’s news conference by the family of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman.

But our reporter friends have continued to fill us in on what we missed. After mother Desiree Young gave a tearful statement, she answered some questions submitted by the media.

Here are one reporter’s notes from the question-and-answer session:

<snipped>

The family is helping with the case everyday by working with investigators and the media to make sure his face stays out there. They’re handing out fliers, getting t-shirts out there. Desiree said it is her goal for everyone any where in the world to know what Kyron looks like.

They have been fully briefed by police and they are optimistic. They are fully confident in the investigation and investigators who are doing everything they can to find Kyron.

Next week they will meet with media at 10am on Tuesday since Monday is a holiday. On Thursday they will do interviews starting at 4pm but nothing live. Everything taped as has to be held for air until Friday because Kyron went missing on a Friday.

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/01/more-notes-from-the-strange-press-conference-with-kyron-hormans-family/
 

Missing Child - Kyron Horman, 7
Posted on Jun 07, 2010
 
Below is an email from Kyron's father.

From: Horman, Kaine A
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 8:39 AM
Subject: FW: Kaine Horman's son is missing

All,

If you have seen local Oregon news or been browsing the internet or FaceBook there is a good chance you have seen an article similar to the one that Becky forwarded (below).  While this note is difficult for me to write in this state of mind I felt it necessary for Kyron’s sake.

Optional actions for you:

The Intel network is large and wide-reaching.  Many have asked me what they can do to help us and my answer is the following:

1.       Forward Kyron’s information to as many people as you feel comfortable with; the more people that see this will increase our chances of finding him

2.     Do not speak to any media if contacted; I am trying to contact Intel legal to give them the heads up and help with this situation

Physical description at the time of his disappearance (picture is show in Becky’s note and here):

He is 3 foot 8 and 50 pounds, with blue eyes and brown hair. He was wearing black cargo pants, white socks, worn black Sketcher tennis shoes with orange trim and dark-colored t-shirt with the "CSI" show logo

Police Hot Line Number:

(503) 261-2847

Some rough background:

The article that Becky forwarded is pretty accurate with details.  He was dropped off at school about 8:45 and went missing sometime between then and 9 or 9:30am.  We did not know he was not at school until we went to get him off of the bus at 3:30 and he was nowhere to be found.  The bus driver immediately called the school which responded that his teacher had not seen him all day in class, at which point we notified police in partnership with the school.  It is still unknown whether he left school grounds on his own or was abducted.  Be assured that there are currently an amazing number of agencies and amount of person-power being applied to the search and investigation.

Thank you all for the thoughts and prayers for Kyron’s safe return.  I will update the group once status changes which will hopefully be soon.  At the time of this note Kyron has now been missing for ~48 hours; time is of the essence.

Kaine Horman
Enterprise Business Architect
Intel Corporation

http://ackerlaw.com/posts/2010/06/07/missing_child__kyron_horman_7

Could be. Must protect Intel. Persons who work for Interl represent Intel. If Kaine was or was not doing "stuff" that is not so nice, it reflects on Intel. But I have a feeling that a guy like Kaine ( the controlling aspect that I see and some of the things he had said about Terri and her spending his money ) has most likely ruffled a few feathers during his employment.
Nothing can stop these employees from posting on blogs under a different name. However if it was me and my job, I would be following what Intel Legal told them.   

::HelloKitty::

How many employees does Intel have there ?  It's something like 15,000 I think?

Kaine is a nobody.  Sorry, but it's true.  He doesn't come from a wealthy, powerful family.  He isn't a CEO. To think that he is so powerful to control media and Intel is ludicrous.  Sorry. 

Even wealthy powerful people find it difficult to control the media.

So he works for INTEL.  He's a dot on their spread sheets.

I must disagree. Intel has plenty of employess, any of them been in the news lately ?
Kaine Horman, it always comes up that he works for Intel. He's a dot, a big NEON DOT. or a big NEON BLIGHT on INTEL.
What if some of the chit we have read is true ? Like the steriod connection for Intel employees. That look good for INTEL, to have persons who engage in illegal activites with other employees? Or that he has a brother who is in jaill for molestation ?

There are a couple of persons on this board who are making excuses for and giving reasons why things are happening the way they are. WHY ? Got some inside info ? If so, tell, if not quit with the excuse making. I have to log off and I am really tried of this tennis match. Anyone who disgaress with some party line here being posted is given a reason why. I have no inside scoop, I know none of these persons and if I did know them, I would run as fast as I could. Janet has been posting what the media has said, I have read most of OR Live. I am formin g my opionion from that, not the lame excuses made for Kaine here.   

Everyone should just breathe in and then breathe out. I can honestly say, all of the posters on here, are here for the same reason. We all want Kyron home.  ::MonkeyAngel::

I did exactly what you suggested sassifrass and ... I saw spots floating before my eyes.  My New Year's resolution ... A DAILY EXCERCISE ROUTINE!

Have a good day all!

Janet
9:35 AM PT

 :smt056 : :MonkeyWeight::

chit! this will work.   ::MonkeyWeight::

Welcome to the cage chiquita!  ::MonkeyCheer4::

 ::MonkeyShocked::

A brisk daily walk with No Rose to our local Tim Horton for an Old Fashion Plain with a  cuppa coffee/tea was what I had in mind. Sassi ... you are welcome to join us.

Janet

Thank you for the welcome.  Been a member here for quite awhile just don't post much.  Kyron is the reason I'm here, not to cause dissent.  Feel free to research or ignore my last post.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

A brisk daily walk with No Rose to our local Tim Horton for an Old Fashion Plain with a  cuppa coffee/tea was what I had in mind. Sassi ... you are welcome to join us.

Janet

One more addition: It appears the Villarreal/Holm family, owned a boat. It may mean nothing, but I wanted to put it out there.

First Name   CATARINO   Middle Name   FLOYD   Last Name   VILLARREAL
Primary Address   N/A   City   PORTLAND   State   OR
ZIP Code   97231   Latitude   45.632427   Longitude   -122.86634
Phone Number   N/A   Date of Birth   19581105   Street   15110 NW CORNELIUS PASS RD
Offense Date   19000101   Court   CLACKAMAS COUNTY COURTS   Source State   OR
Offense   BOAT-RIDE DECK W/O RAIL

Oregon Boating Regulations:

http://www.oregon.gov/OSMB/BoatLaws/Regulations.shtml (http://www.oregon.gov/OSMB/BoatLaws/Regulations.shtml)

I had found it odd that people that worked with Kaine haven't been talking to the press or anything. Maybe Intel has a policy that if they talk about other employers to the public they could get fired?

Hi Norose!
I find it odd that the press has not been doing their job on this case. They have not dug up anything on anyone. The only thing that they have done is quote the bio parents and LE. This is a huge case. The brother of the bio father of Kyron should have been out of prison by now for SEX OFFENSES and not one word from the press in Portland. Nada Zip!

Email memo from KH to his colleagues:


I suspect he went to the Intel legal department to get details on divorce and custody, JMO. 

And again, two days after Kyron's disappearance he is banishing the media. 
 ::MonkeyMad::

There are a couple of persons on this board who are making excuses for and giving reasons why things are happening the way they are. WHY ? Got some inside info ? If so, tell, if not quit with the excuse making. I have to log off and I am really tried of this tennis match. Anyone who disgaress with some party line here being posted is given a reason why. I have no inside scoop, I know none of these persons and if I did know them, I would run as fast as I could. Janet has been posting what the media has said, I have read most of OR Live. I am formin g my opionion from that, not the lame excuses made for Kaine here.   

Where did I call anyone a name ? I disagree with some stuff that is posted here by persons who seem to have some other information, that's ALL. I am not lashing out, I am asking QUESTIONS and I CAN HAVE AN OPINION THAT IS MY OWN. BASED ON WHAT I HAVE READ.
I do not like Kaine, Terri, Mike Cook, Kim Holm, Dede, FlyMonkey, Tom Jones, GLP FaceBooks to trash or uphold either one of them. and I do not put my faith in Desiree's impressions, she has baggage with Kaine and TERRI the most.

about the Williamette and Oregonian being excluded from the ONE presser...

they were excluded because they already had information on the MFH Plot...they were asked by LE as in LAW ENFORCEMENT and the FAMILY OF KYRON to NOT break the story so that they could do their investigation THEIR WAY...you know their JOB? and those 2 outlets REFUSED TO MAKE THAT AGREEMENT...they were turned away for "not being team players" because their scoop was more important to them than Kyron... the Oregonian withheld the story and went back and apologized and were included in EVERY OTHER presser after that...the Williamette went forward and posted their scoop...which forced LE's hand putting them in a now or never situation with the sting that they werent ready to pull off...just to beat the press...for one I believe that they wanted some time to pass so that TH could get more comfortable before they did it...so that they would have a chance at it...but no, thats not how it happened and we all saw how that DIDNT work out...

Kaine does NOT have the power everyone wants to pretend that they think he does...and there are reasons that arent always so clear (even if they should be) for some things and they arent trite...


To set the record straight on the situation with Kaine and the media in this one situation.

There are a couple of persons on this board who are making excuses for and giving reasons why things are happening the way they are. WHY ? Got some inside info ? If so, tell, if not quit with the excuse making. I have to log off and I am really tried of this tennis match. Anyone who disgaress with some party line here being posted is given a reason why. I have no inside scoop, I know none of these persons and if I did know them, I would run as fast as I could. Janet has been posting what the media has said, I have read most of OR Live. I am formin g my opionion from that, not the lame excuses made for Kaine here.   

Could it be that Kaine has inside connections within LE and ... within Intel assisting him in controlling the media to prevent skeltons of his own making within his marriage to Terri from being revealed?

Janet

++++++++


Controlling the Media

Kyron Horman’s Family Boots WW and The Oregonian from Bizarre News Event
1:04 PM July 1st, 2010
by James Pitkin

The saga of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman got a little more bizarre today at a news conference held this morning by the boy’s family.

The event at Brooks Hill Historic Church was arranged on Wednesday by Kyron’s father Kaine Horman, biological mother Desiree Young and her husband, Medford Police Detective Tony Young.

Absent was Terri Moulton Horman, the stepmom investigators say was the last person known to have seen Kyron before his June 4 disappearance. Kaine Horman filed for divorce and a restraining order against her earlier this week. And she’s since hired star criminal defense attorney Stephen Houze.

Today, Kaine Horman and the Youngs sat at the head of a table in a room filled with more than two dozen national and local reporters for print, TV and radio. As the meeting began at 10 a.m., Kaine Horman started out by explaining “the agenda.” This wasn’t going to be a typical press conference.

Horman said the family’s goal was to make “the story” about Kyron. With news of the divorce and investigators homing in on the stepmom, media coverage (including in WW) has increasingly focused on Kyron’s troubled family.

First came Horman’s “ground rules,” as he described them. No cameras. No recordings. Everything was off the record and couldn’t be reported, unless agreed otherwise. Horman made everyone in the room agree to these rules before proceeding. And so this roomful of reporters consented, in essence, not to be reporters.

Horman then laid out how the meeting would go. They would take questions, make some phone calls (presumably to investigators, to find out what they could say in their answers), then return and make an on-the-record statement. But first, Horman wanted all the reporters he didn’t know to introduce themselves.

KEX radio, KATU, The Portland Tribune and “Inside Edition” all got the nod from Horman. But then came Shane Kavanaugh and Bryan Denson of The Oregonian.

Horman said the family didn’t like The Oregonian’s coverage and wanted them to leave. Horman said the daily had failed to be a “team player.”

“This is a team, and if we’re not going to play as a team, there’s no point in being here,” Horman said. “This is about Kyron.”

Denson objected, saying he’s new to the story and after 28 years in journalism he’s “a pretty good reporter.” But there was no arguing. The family wanted The O gone, and a woman who said she’s a manager at the church escorted them out. The biggest newspaper in the state had been eighty-sixed.

I introduced myself and said I’m with Willamette Week. Horman said the family has the same problem with WW. I agreed to leave. And so the paper with the second-biggest circulation in Oregon was also kicked out.

As far as I was concerned, after getting kicked out all deals were off. I wasn’t going to keep the meeting off the record.

According to a reporter who stayed, the family went on to lay out more “ground rules” for the future. They said they’d hold these “news conferences” (if you can call them that) twice a week, on Mondays and Thursdays, as time allows. They would make prepared statements, answer some questions submitted in writing and may also do occasional interviews.

“They want us to cover Kyron, and they’re not going to get neck-deep in gossip and rumors,” the reporter said.

ABC News convinced the family to make an on-the-record statement in front of one camera, with the tape available as pool footage for other reporters. After more than an hour inside the church, the reporters were sent outside while the family stayed in to prepare a statement.

The reporter at the scene said The Oregonian had somehow gotten back on the family’s good side and was among those waiting outside to hear the prepared statement.

At shortly after 12:30, the family emerged from the church and Desiree Young gave a brief statement in which she implored Terri Moulton Horman to cooperate with investigators. She also said the family believes Kyron is still alive.

<snipped>

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/01/kyron-hormans-family-boots-ww-and-the-oregonian/


More Notes from the Strange Press Conference with Kyron Horman’s Family
4:14 PM July 1st, 2010
by James Pitkin

As we’ve already reported, WW was kicked out of this morning’s news conference by the family of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman.

But our reporter friends have continued to fill us in on what we missed. After mother Desiree Young gave a tearful statement, she answered some questions submitted by the media.

Here are one reporter’s notes from the question-and-answer session:

<snipped>

The family is helping with the case everyday by working with investigators and the media to make sure his face stays out there. They’re handing out fliers, getting t-shirts out there. Desiree said it is her goal for everyone any where in the world to know what Kyron looks like.

They have been fully briefed by police and they are optimistic. They are fully confident in the investigation and investigators who are doing everything they can to find Kyron.

Next week they will meet with media at 10am on Tuesday since Monday is a holiday. On Thursday they will do interviews starting at 4pm but nothing live. Everything taped as has to be held for air until Friday because Kyron went missing on a Friday.

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/01/more-notes-from-the-strange-press-conference-with-kyron-hormans-family/
 

Missing Child - Kyron Horman, 7
Posted on Jun 07, 2010
 
Below is an email from Kyron's father.

From: Horman, Kaine A
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 8:39 AM
Subject: FW: Kaine Horman's son is missing

All,

If you have seen local Oregon news or been browsing the internet or FaceBook there is a good chance you have seen an article similar to the one that Becky forwarded (below).  While this note is difficult for me to write in this state of mind I felt it necessary for Kyron’s sake.

Optional actions for you:

The Intel network is large and wide-reaching.  Many have asked me what they can do to help us and my answer is the following:

1.       Forward Kyron’s information to as many people as you feel comfortable with; the more people that see this will increase our chances of finding him

2.     Do not speak to any media if contacted; I am trying to contact Intel legal to give them the heads up and help with this situation

Physical description at the time of his disappearance (picture is show in Becky’s note and here):

He is 3 foot 8 and 50 pounds, with blue eyes and brown hair. He was wearing black cargo pants, white socks, worn black Sketcher tennis shoes with orange trim and dark-colored t-shirt with the "CSI" show logo

Police Hot Line Number:

(503) 261-2847

Some rough background:

The article that Becky forwarded is pretty accurate with details.  He was dropped off at school about 8:45 and went missing sometime between then and 9 or 9:30am.  We did not know he was not at school until we went to get him off of the bus at 3:30 and he was nowhere to be found.  The bus driver immediately called the school which responded that his teacher had not seen him all day in class, at which point we notified police in partnership with the school.  It is still unknown whether he left school grounds on his own or was abducted.  Be assured that there are currently an amazing number of agencies and amount of person-power being applied to the search and investigation.

Thank you all for the thoughts and prayers for Kyron’s safe return.  I will update the group once status changes which will hopefully be soon.  At the time of this note Kyron has now been missing for ~48 hours; time is of the essence.

Kaine Horman
Enterprise Business Architect
Intel Corporation

http://ackerlaw.com/posts/2010/06/07/missing_child__kyron_horman_7