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We made it!

 ::MonkeyGavel::

Now to find Kyron.

On JVM show last night I heard her say that she was a guest speaker in Portland OR about crimes against "women" - so it must have been a big deal about "crime" - different kinds of crimes.

Hello everyone!

So the daycare is in the cafeteria which is in the basement area of the school that has that door that looks out to the soccer fields and also the through the kitchen area to the boiler room that has a door that leads out to the middle area of the black top that is used for deliveries.

I think I had read there was an after/before school daycare but didn't realize it was downstairs or just forgot. For awhile now I have considered Kyron left through one of the doors on the basement level...You know how Tanner had said he passed Kyron in the hall? Could it be that Tanner was going to class after being in the childcare down stairs?

I think there were also displays in the cafeteria, so how did that affect the program? Was it moved to another area of the building?

Didn't a child say in the press he saw Kyron in the cafeteria with friends and Terri was not with him? Did Kyron go to see his friends who were in the daycare?

Maybe I missed something but I thought it was established that daycare was held at a separate location, not at the school.  Daycare was held at the Portland Jewish Center I believe.

http://www.pps.k12.or.us/files/childcare/BeforeAndAfterCare01_1.pdf

About 20 miles apart:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/2011Jan/SkylinePortlandJewishCenter.jpg)

It is my understanding the conversation is there is a daycare available at the school for students before and after school. It is at the school site and is run by a daycare facility.
They have this in my area as well. An off site daycare agency is responsible for staffing and running the before and after school care for students of a  school at that site.  
If I am incorrect then please advise me.

The only information I have read pertains to the Portland Jewish Academy I haven't seen anything stating there was a daycare center at the school itself.  Please show me a link where this is said, TIA. 

Tracygirl - I found it here.  Looks like through the Jewish Academy but held at Skyline.  You are correct:

http://www.portlandjewishacademy.org/page.cfm?p=340

 ::HelloKitty::

Before and after school childcare there is until 8:45 and then in the afternoon.  Therefore, there are not preschool children there.  There is no one to watch them.

After school childcare is not free.  There would be no reason for a parent to bring a child at 8:35 to school for childcare as that is the first bell for school when children could go to classrooms.

I imagine that the price is for a time period.  It doesn't matter if the child is there for 5 minutes or 2 hours.  The price is the same. I sincerely doubt a parent would bring a child even at 8:30 for childcare.  That would be way too expensive for little gain.

It is hard to say, but it is possible that a childcare person brings children to their classes.  I have seen that at schools where I live.  It would be interesting to find out if that is the case .

I imagine that all parents have to sign in and out at the child care.

Thank you Klaas.

It does cost the same but if a parent has to drop off at 8:30 to make it to work on time, then?
The way it works at my children's school is you can have before or after school only or you can have your child go to both before and after care.

Whoa..... I almost lost my Isabella's bow coming into this thread!  ::MonkeyTongue::

Alright, this whole daycare thing is bugging the heck out of me.

neighbor said on the last thread:


On blink she said:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/11/02/kyron-horman-case-terri-horman-sexts-sent-to-kaine-hormans-phone-what/comment-page-119/#comments (http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/11/02/kyron-horman-case-terri-horman-sexts-sent-to-kaine-hormans-phone-what/comment-page-119/#comments)

zeus says:
January 17, 2011 at 5:03 pm

beejay says:
January 16, 2011 at 7:36 pm

@neighbor: TY very much. So, before/after school care is downstairs in the cafeteria. Same floor as some of those electrical exhibits. Those exhibits were, we think, where Ky headed when he went downstairs. I’ve got it now.
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neighbor says:
January 16, 2011 at 5:11 pm

@beejay, the before/after hours care is in the cafeteria


So which is it? neighbor, will you please clarify EXACTLY which is true.

I hate cryptic. Just tell me which one is right. Is the day care at Skyline or at the other place?

Gosh... I think I need a bubble bath.

NM. I should have looked up on the thread. So the day care IS at Skyline school.

Sorry Monkey's. For some reason that info ticked me off. I don't like it when things aren't verified as true.

 ::HelloKitty::

I think most parents would find an option that is not that expensive for a few minutes.

This is my understanding of "before and after school program".

From what I understand, the purpose of this program is for parents that have to leave work earlier than when school starts and don't get out of work until after school ends. So with this program, it allows parents whose schedule differ from the school schedule, to have their kids monitored until school starts or ends, so they can pick them up after school. Is that correct?

If the above is correct then how does this program work for people who's children that don't attend Skyline? 

From what I know about these programs, they are only available for students at one of the listed schools for that program. 

If Neighbor is familiar with this program, perhaps she can clarify things such as ages of children, weither they have to be a regular student of Skyline, etc.

 ::HelloKitty::

Obviously, I don't know of every school care program, but of the many I know of, it's for the children of the school.  Otherwise, how would they get to where they are going?

In searching for info on the before/after school care, I found this video of Angella Davis whose daughter was in the program.  I also have seen articles talking about an Angela Davis having reporters camping out on her property in the early days, and she was listed in the Who's Who here at SM as a neighbor of the Hormans.  She seems to come up a fair amount.  I had not seen this video before...

http://videos.oregonlive.com/oregonian/2010/06/kyron_harmon_search_expands.html

I can't speak for other areas, but I am very familiar with before and after care at schools I've been involved with. Public and private schools have this available.

In the MORNING, it is a free service. Nearly all schools do this. Children aren't allowed in classrooms before the first bell rings, and they drift into the building at various times. The school would rather have them all in one place, such as the cafeteria, to facilitate supervision. Many of the regular, earlier arrivals are children of working parent(s) who may live near the school but have a long commute and need to get to work on time. Sometimes some of the buses arrive early.

(On a separate matter entirely, breakfast also is available, but it isn't free - works the same way as lunches.)

AFTERNOON CARE -- Might not be as widely available, and is not free. Sometimes it coordinates with after-school activities AT THE SCHOOL, such as chess club, drama club rehearsal, etc., to enable the children to participate in those optional things. There is a "study period" for doing homework, a snack, and indoor activities such as crafts and board games.

Neither morning or afternoon programs include any kind of transportation.

 

how did you guys get so lost, must be all the breaking news, on ZB and HD
the answers are here
open this doc pg 7
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/files/childcare/providerlistbyschoolrev2009-10.5.2010.DOC

and here
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/files/childcare/BeforeAndAfterCare01_1.pdf

above links found here
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/departments/kindergarten/1578.htm

where i posted the info b4
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9196.msg1291941#msg1291941

info in the doc link is
BEFORE AND AFTER SCHOOL CARE PROGRAMS
2009-10 School Year

Information is subject to change. Call provider to confirm hours.
Schools that are shaded indicate no on-site child care
Skyline
11536 NW Skyline Blvd.

On-site

7:00am-8:45am
3:00pm-6:00pm
KidsPlace, Portland Jewish Academy
Contact:  Jennifer Merrill-Sordelet
Phone:    503-535-3546

open this doc pg 7
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/files/childcare/providerlistbyschoolrev2009-10.5.2010.DOC

FWIW flood warning

Current Watches, Warnings and Advisories for Oregon
Issued by the National Weather Service
http://www.nws.noaa.gov/alerts/or.html

http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/

Once more for the record ..

on January 16, 2011 at 5:11 pm @BOC, I said:

See http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/11/02/kyron-horman-case-terri-horman-sexts-sent-to-kaine-hormans-phone-what/comment-page-118/#comments (http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/11/02/kyron-horman-case-terri-horman-sexts-sent-to-kaine-hormans-phone-what/comment-page-118/#comments)

on January 16, 2011 at 11:35 pm @BOC, I said:

See http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/11/02/kyron-horman-case-terri-horman-sexts-sent-to-kaine-hormans-phone-what/comment-page-118/#comments (http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/11/02/kyron-horman-case-terri-horman-sexts-sent-to-kaine-hormans-phone-what/comment-page-118/#comments)


To summarize, IMO:

• Before/after care is in the cafeteria of the school @CAFE102.
• The classroom filled with electrical displays that I saw was in CR209

There might have been other electrical displays.  I just did not see another classroom dedicated to them.
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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9222.msg1292275#msg1292275

TY, so 2 separate rooms, will have to check map see where exists are again

Sassifrass – since you commented that you were going to do some research and in case you have read at BOC recently, I’m bringing over this post, that you (and others) might find interesting:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/11/02/kyron-horman-case-terri-horman-sexts-sent-to-kaine-hormans-phone-what/comment-page-119/#comments

1.   puzzled says:
January 17, 2011 at 9:54 pm
reposting from E-Rose who, among others, has done an outstanding job of ferreting out info!!!
enumclawrose says:

September 17, 2010 at 5:03 pm
RUDY
If I start with R L Landscape Maintenance, which we have been told is the Rudy we are interested in, he has this license since 01-08-2008 and is listed as Rodolfo Sanchez, P O Box 347, Canby OR 97013 and 7169 SE Renada St., Milwaukie, OR 97267. The Canby address goes back to Rudy Sanchez Landscape Maintenance 10-31-05 thru 11-01-07 with a physical address of 9850 SE Amherst Apt. 50, Clackamas, OR 97015.
JAIME
Jaime is tied to Rudy through the P O Box in Canby and the Renada St address. Estrada’s, 08-06-03 lists Jaime S Estrada, P O Box 347, Canby, OR 97013 and 19839 S Hwy 213 #1040, Oregon City, OR 97045. Clean Factor, 08-23-10, P O Box 2112, Oregon City, OR 97045 and 7169 SE Renada St., Milwaukie, OR 97267
Above information was on the Oregon Sec. of State Corp. Division.
Peoplefinders shows Rodolfo S Sanchez, aka Rodolfo Estrada, at 7169 SE Renada St., age 36, with possible relatives/associates of Jaime S Estrada and Ubaldo R Sanchez.

To me this proves that Rudy and Jaime, lived at the same address, shared the same P O Box as well as use the last name Estrada.

Can we definitively add to this connection?

Sassi, FYI - there's several more posts on BOC with good info for your search (following after the one posted above).

Everyone be sure to check out Kyron's photos by Brandi on pg. 49 of the last thread. Really nice Brandi! I used one to start the next thread.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9196.960

There are some very good posts on BOC beginning at January 18, 2011 at 12:00 pm - too much to copy and bring over.

http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/11/02/kyron-horman-case-terri-horman-sexts-sent-to-kaine-hormans-phone-what/


Sassifrass

enumclawrose says:
January 19, 2011 at 2:11 am
This is from SM Sassifras. I have no way to post to her directly, but this is of interest to me. I tried that address 13441 Pacific Hwy E, Woodburn and came up empty. Hoping Beejay, Kimberly or Sammy can straighten me out or Sassifras will post over here. Would love to get my hands on that list. TIA.http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9196.940

So I did a search on the infamous address of 955 S Pacific hwy, Woodburn, Or, and before I explain the results you have to understand how this address works.

Pacific hwy is also known as 99E, which becomes 213, so the address above (955 S Pacific hwy) is also labeled as 13441 PACIFIC HWY E, Woodburn, Or. Having said that, when I did a search of the address, over 285 names were associated with it. 12 pages of names.

Yeah, I saw that this morning Puzzler. I have some time this morning to go back and look at it, but it's 285 names. Let me look to make sure none of those names are double posted. After I looked at the list, I just went "ugh", and closed it because I didn't have the time right then to scan through it.

I'll see what I can do. Thanks Puzzler!

Sassi - I don't post on BOC...maybe you do...otherwise some sort of post here and they will read it.

So I've been looking into RS and associates, even though I have been avoiding it. These people have so many associated names and businesses to them that it makes me dizzy.

I honestly don't know if they have anything to do with Kyrons disappearance, but it seems the Blink site may think so. I go back and forth with this.

While I'm looking at the associated names, I'm trying to cross reference them with people on the "list".

I'm not sure if I'm going in the right direction, but any direction at this point is worth looking in to. I just want Kyron home.

LE knows what's going on I'm sure, and I would rather look in any area if it's going to keep this thread alive, and keep the attention on Kyron.

I firmly believe that whom ever took him from the school, knew him, and Kyron knew them. I also believe that this was personal.

One other thing, I think who ever took him from that school is getting their rocks off from the attention to this case and it infuriates me.

Is that address an apartment complex?

Neighbor there were displays set up in the cafeteria, is that correct?

I believe it was "personal", too. 

Do you think that the person "knew him" and Kyron "knew them" - could that be in a range of very close and personal knowledge to a wide range of possibilities...say someone he would see in his surroundings and maybe said hello once in a while...like a friend of the family that he might see every now and then to possibly school personnel (not talking about teachers) or someone who maybe dropped off a child or children to daycare, someone he passed in the hall every now and then or someone he would see working on the grounds.

To me, "someone Kyron knewo" could potentially be a long list of people.

And I really honed in on the vast amount of possibilities when Sherriff Stanton talked about the hundreds of people LE has intereviewed.  It's almost overwhelming - and I can see why the Sherriff said they had gathered a voluminous amount of information but it wasn't producing results and, therefore, he formed a task force to hone in and wheedle out and become more focused.

 

Don't know.  I have not been there that morning.

Knock Knock.

Who's there?

Why.

Why who?

Why who's on this forum isn't posting on this thread?

___________________________________________________

Anything. A pic, a prayer, a thought. Do it for Kyron please.  ::MonkeyAngel::

So the previous post was a de-stress post.

I've been doing a lot of research these past few days. One thing I wanted to note was the confusion about 955 S pacific hwy, Woodburn, or 971071. If you type that into Google, you will come up with some site's that are related to public property records. When you click on the map, it will show that the address is actually in the 1300's Oregon 99E.

When I did a search of this address on the database I'm using, it of course comes up with an E address. That's because property records on that road are based on the actual hwy itself. State hwy's can be named locally as local roads. Am I confusing you yet?

So what I had to do was go through 285 names and associate them with a public, meaning mailing address, to tie them with 955 S pacific hwy. It's confusing I know, but public records and mailing addresses are two different items, even though they are related.

Bing maps and topography maps are different as far as the municipality is concerned.

So anyway, hopefully within the next few days, I'll be able to tie everything together to make some sense.

Thank you Muffy!  ::MonkeyKiss::

I am still praying that Kyron is found soon and that LE is putting together an airtight case.  It has been so long and he is so terribly missed by those who love him. Please let this end for them soon so they can have some closure.

http://www.wsp.wa.gov/information/releases/2011_archive/mr012111c.htm

Olympia – Washington State Patrol’s Missing and Unidentified Persons Unit has partnered with Oregon’s Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office to include Kyron Horman in the WSP Homeward Bound Program. Photos of Kyron Horman will be placed on trailers with Gordon Trucking Inc. (GTI), whose trucks travel on routes nationwide.

Kyron Horman was last seen on the morning of June 4, 2010, when he disappeared from Skyline Elementary School in Portland. He had been attending a science fair with his step mother and was last seen on his way to class that morning. 

The Homeward Bound Program has also recently contributed to the recovery of three children abducted in 2006.

In December 2006, three victims, Mayra (12), Exell (10) and Edward (5) were abducted by their non-custodial father, Rangel Ramirez-Manzano, in Everett, WA. Snohomish County Sheriff’s Office was the lead agency and the Washington State Patrol Missing and Unidentified Persons Unit assisted in the investigation. Investigators believed that Mr. Ramirez-Manzano had fled with the victims to Mexico.

In an effort to generate more leads and tips and increase the exposure for the victims, all three children were featured in the Homeward Bound program in September of 2007. Their trailers were used in several community outreach events and circulated nationwide focusing on states that share a border with Mexico.

On January 14, 2011, all three children were recovered and reunited with their mother back in the U.S.  While the children were not recovered as a direct result of a tip from the Homeward Bound Program, the exposure they received contributed to this case being kept in the forefront and their ultimate recovery from Mexico.

The Homeward Bound Program works on two premises: first, that increased exposure of missing children cases increases the chance of recovery.  Second, because people spend a significant amount of time in their vehicles, placing the photos of the missing children on vehicles is an ideal way to increase public awareness of specific missing children cases.

The Homeward Bound Program is excited about this partnership with Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office and hopes that it will lead to additional partnerships within other states and most importantly the safe recovery of abducted children.

This is great news! I still pray for Kyron's return home.

Sassi, keeping you in my prayers for clear thinking and good "hits" in your search!

http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/11/02/kyron-horman-case-terri-horman-sexts-sent-to-kaine-hormans-phone-what/

Kimberly says:
January 21, 2011 at 1:32 pm
22.Patricia says:
January 21, 2011 at 11:53 am
S. says,
Blink – I hear what you are saying. There are no witnesses who saw Kyron leave in TH’s truck. Of course if there were, she would certainly be arrested!

But saying no one saw Kyron leave with TH in the truck just tells us no one saw Kyron leave with TH in the truck. That claim does not say that Kyron did not leave with TH in the truck. No one saw Kyron leave the school building, which should be much more alarming than him not being seen in a big, tall truck.

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I totally agree. No one saw Ky leave with anyone in any vehicle or this whole thing would be put to rest. But, Ky did leave, with someone, and in a vehicle (if we are to believe the dogs that lost the scent at the parking lot). So there remains a certain amount of doubt in my mind that Ky in fact did not leave with TH. Only thing I am 100% conviced of is that no one saw Ky leave. At all. Which brings us back to how the heck do you disappear a kid in front of a whole school community. Maybe you subdue the child and then wait until the entire school is at an assembly, like a talent show, and then you sneak him out. Little chance of being seen. What time was the talent show? Any one know if it was before noon.

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I respectfully disagree.
I believe that in every capacity possible and verbage
Blink has told us , He did not leave with TH!
I believe it does’t need to be anaylized more than that
and that just because Blink can’t or hasn’t elaborated to
the capacity we all may want, doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be
thankful that she has in fact provided us all with one direct
answer,
HE DID NOT LEAVE WITH TH!

I think people are concerned, that the possibility that Ky left with someone other than her, lets her off the hook in some way, or at least they fear it will.

The likelihood of this tragedy occurring without any indirect or direct involvement from TH is slim to none.

I do not know what her level of complicity is, nor could I prove today that she actually has one, but there are far too many unexplained actions and behaviors on her part, over an extended period of time as well as immediately preceding and following Kyron’s disappearance to lead me to any other conclusion.

That does not mean that I think she knows anything about Kyron’s location. She may simply have lit the dynamite from another atmosphere and simply just knows only that much.

That said, if you believe nothing else I ever tell you, believe that LE knows beyond a doubt that Kyron did not leave the school with TH on June 4th in any conceivable or inconceivable fashion.

B

I finally decided to talk to my brother who is a State Trooper in Oregon about the case to see if he would say anything. The only thing he said was they have been searching Sauvie Island and continue to go there because they have "good reason too". Sorry gang that's all I could get. He did bring something else up though I thought was kind of weird to tell me since he ( or my dad) have never talked about any case. He mentioned a family that was murdered and then the remains later found in caves in Medford. The Cowden family. What was interesting though was the point he made that the killer never confessed but eventually they found another way to put him away. Since then his parole has been revoked and my brother says he will never get out.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...y+murder&hl=en

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...y+murder&hl=en

 ::HelloKitty::

interesting info Tom Thumb!

Anyone know what's wrong with Blinks site?

BBM

Wow! just wow! This is wonderful news, especially since they are a nationwide trucking company, and also because they are a HUGE trucking company!   ::MonkeyCheer4::

GTI Trucking:

http://www.gordontrucking.com/Online/GTIWebsite.nsf/van-longhaul.xsp (http://www.gordontrucking.com/Online/GTIWebsite.nsf/van-longhaul.xsp)


(http://www.gordontrucking.com/icons/GTI_Website/images/maps/VanLonghaul.png)


Logistics

GTI's Logistics division was formed to meet the needs of our customers by utilizing a diverse base of transportation providers. Through our relationships with other carriers, we can fulfill a wide spectrum of services from longhaul, regional, or specialized shipping needs such as heavy haul, refrigerated, and expedited team service. These expanded equipment resources increase GTI's capacity and diversity while decreasing variability.

Through relationships with other carriers, GTI can fulfill a wide spectrum of specialized shipping needs such as over the road, heavy haul, refrigerated and expedited team service to name a few. These expanded equipment resources increase GTI's capacity, diversity and decrease any customer variability.

Thank you tnmomb!

So they are continuing to look at SI. What in relationship to Kyron being missing is associated with Sauvie Island? Terri Horman.

Also, what are they looking for? A body or evidence that leads to finding Kyron? They have to have some strong evidence to keep searching SI, and I'm not talking about just cell pings either.

Morning Monkeys, just throwing this out there....this case has always had me so completely confused I have never really felt that I could contribute, and I've probably forgot more than I remember.  Anyway, if TH let the vampire in and probably didn't leave with Kyron, and if they continue to search Sauvie Island, how many people live, or are connected to TH, the school, and Sauvie??  Is it a small enough number to start cross checking???

My thinking, in including the school in the cross checking is that even though there may have been a crowd that day, it had to be someone who would not seem out of the ordinary, or out of place that day.

Welcome back from lurkage.  :D   I have wondered the same, akmom.  Since blink apparently knows something that points quite strongly to TH not having Kyron when she left, someone else took him off.  Who has ties to SI?  
Edit to fix name from Kyle to Kyron.  MB

Thanks starwynn.  Yes, ties to TH, the school and Sauvie.  Maybe a grandparent or parent appearing type who would not be questioned at the school and had maybe been there frequently.  Maybe someone with a boat or cottage, and of course, a secret life that TH knew about.  TH may just as simply said to X, "I will walk away from Kyron and leave him near the door, you would not be noticed, if you picked him up there."  Then he was whisked away to Sauvie by X.  Just the only thing that I can even think of.

Hi akmom!

That's a good thought, but a difficult one. Are you thinking of people that are on "the list", or just people in general that are tied to both the school and TH and SI?

My thought is that just because they are searching SI, doesn't necessarily mean they live or have ties to SI, which would make it even harder to pin down.

Hi sassi, I just am thinking that anyone that would triangulate to those three, and I just am not familiar enough with Sauvie Island to know if we are talking a huge population or a smaller group that would be familiar with the school, TH and the Island.  The reason that I am thinking that they would have to have ties to SI is because we know it has been searched,  but when caves in another case were brought up, I got to thinking that maybe it had to be someone that maybe knows places on the Island that most others would not know.  Someone who has an intimate knowledge of the place, either someone who has been there a very long time, or someone who is maybe a solitary explorer.

I still am bothered by the preponderance of landscapers in and around this case.  Dede, landscaper.  Person supposedly asked to MFH, landscaper.  Guy on the soccer field side of the school, landscaper.  I don't even think a person would have to go IN  the school, honestly.  They could just be outside of it.  All it would take would be TH saying "be here and go with ____, and remember what happens if you don't do as an adult says...".  Or in that venue, any adult saying "you're to come with me".  An added "Your stepmom wants you" would seal the deal.

And I also am still very bothered by the soccer field side of the school.  Every time I see it, I think how easy it would be to just get past the fields and into those woods.  The land there drops, providing a natural blockage of line-of-sight.  Which brings me back to thinking about landscapers.  /sigh

See Blink's comment below.

We know it was said by the school that Kyron wasn't paying attention.
We know that Kyron was talked to about paying attention to adults (not sure it they stress "adults" or "adults in school")

My question is whether Kyron really had an attention problem or someone from the school portrayed a problem to Kyron's parents so that they would speak to him and he would take direction from the adult at the school (pre-planning to get Kyron to do as he was told)?

http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/11/02/kyron-horman-case-terri-horman-sexts-sent-to-kaine-hormans-phone-what/

Amy's Sister says:
January 22, 2011 at 11:42 am
21.lyla says:
January 21, 2011 at 12:29 pm

…the impression I get is that a child could have easily left without being seen.

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Lyla, that has always been my impression as well. Especially if the child was told by a parent he tries hard to please exactly what to do and when to do it, even if that meant meeting up with a man or woman he hardly knew.

There is a reason Desiree and Kaine felt regret about the chat they had with Kyron about his listening issues at school.

I say this with a broken heart for them, and for Ky.
B

I think the suggestion highlighted below is a good one (in connection to Kyron's picture getting put on the trucks).  I hope Kaine reads on SM and/or BOC and see it.

http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/11/02/kyron-horman-case-terri-horman-sexts-sent-to-kaine-hormans-phone-what/

beejay says:
January 22, 2011 at 12:20 pm
Donations of truck signage might be made by a foundation, for example, or by (or with the help of) a sign company directly. There’s a good one that does this kind of work and its near Portland, Angel Gomez Signs and Graphics. (Not, so far as I can determine, the owner of the house on SE Renada. He usually goes by the name Octaviano Gomez.)

http://www.angelgomezsigns.com/

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Angel-Gomez-Signs/150277238348405

Given the coincidental timing of Elsy and kids’ disappearance, if I were in Kaine’s shoes, I’d hire someone (an OR-licensed PI, since they can testify in court) to make an offer to Ubaldo to help with the signage. Might be a very interesting conversation.) But that’s just me.

As Idahogal so famously said (paraphrasing), we can’t just sit around with our thumbs up our butts.

I apologize if the above post is confusing.  Previous posts on BOC discuss that along with Kyron's picture on the trucks, the possibility of getting Elsy and missing kids on the truck, too. 

If you look at RS, I guess you can triangulate him with Terri, the school and SI:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/11/02/kyron-horman-case-terri-horman-sexts-sent-to-kaine-hormans-phone-what/


beejay says:
January 22, 2011 at 1:07 pm
@sassifrass. “What in relationship to Kyron being missing is associated with Sauvie Island?”
_______________

In addition to TH: Rudy’s customers and/or suppliers, and/or dumping stations plus other RS unknowns. Kessingers and their pumpkin patch, the tree farm, and other recreational venues on Sauvie Is. Ky’s friends at Sauvie Is Elem; maybe a shared bus driver and/or route. Lots of non-obvious stuff–just in case you get tired of the Terri-connection!

Can't get into BOC right now but to add to why Blink was saying SI, RS, TH was that his crew did hardscaping also and just might've worked on SI embankments/culverts, etc..  IIRC, that is.  He could be encased in cement in or near a boat ramp/recess wall, etc., God forbid!!!

Personally, I think it's a bunch of BS. I've looked over and over the relationship of RS and TH.

RS has a heep of chit going on, along with his associates. I believe TH tried to persuade him to take a contract out on KH. After that, I think that's the only tie.

I'll quickly sum up what I've seen so far.

Rudy Sanchez:

http://egov.sos.state.or.us/br/pkg_web_name_srch_inq.show_detl?p_be_rsn=1292862&p_srce=BR_INQ&p_print=FALSE (http://egov.sos.state.or.us/br/pkg_web_name_srch_inq.show_detl?p_be_rsn=1292862&p_srce=BR_INQ&p_print=FALSE)

R. S. LANDSCAPE MAINTENANCE: Owner Rodolfo Sanchez (aka: Roldolfo Sanchez Estrada)
Address: 7169 SE RENADA ST
MILWAUKIE    OR    97267

http://egov.sos.state.or.us/br/pkg_web_name_srch_inq.show_detl?p_be_rsn=1471025&p_srce=BR_INQ&p_print=FALSE
 (http://egov.sos.state.or.us/br/pkg_web_name_srch_inq.show_detl?p_be_rsn=1471025&p_srce=BR_INQ&p_print=FALSE)

Jaime S Estrada: (aka: Jaime Sanchez Estrada)

Owner of Clean Facter:
7169 SE RENADA ST
MILWAUKIE    OR    97267

http://clean-factor.com/company/

Since I can't post phone #'s, I will tell you that the same phone #'s exist for both Jaime and Rudy. I can't give you a link because it's a paid service.

This is a pic of Jaime:

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs746.ash1/163850_1509257736592_1388794428_31086724_4065102_n.jpg)

I don't know what these people are into, but I don't feel that it has to do with Kyron going missing. At least right now.

Pic of Rudy:

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs213.ash2/47654_1465567284358_1388794428_31003558_2104273_n.jpg)

I've told you that I do sleuthing on a rotation basis, and as far as this one, I'm moving on. There are way too many name associations and business associations. As far as I know, they could have been the people that LE was investigating prior to Kyron going missing.

I think I'm going to move forward to the SI connection and how it relates to TH, as some smart monkeys have pointed out.

Sassifrass - TY

Good sleuthing.

It just may be that your statement of moving on because there are way too many name associations and business associations could be exactly what LE has encountered and makes me recall Stanton talking about the hugh amount of "information" they had gathered that they had to focus in on and to wheedle down.

IMO RS & Associates have purposefully made their associations and businesses entertwined and confusing on purpose.  These could be legitimate businesses designed to obfuscate any the event of any investigation...legitimate businesses to hide what's really going on. 

Of course we don't have any facts, but as with 50 billion other ideas, this idea could also fit in with Stanton's talking about "this" investigation has lead to other investigations.

One of my little theories that I still drag out and mull over every now and then is "drugs".  There could be a connection somehow with drugs - with the associates and TH or T & KaH - either buying, selling or growing. 

It may be a long time before we find out many "facts" in this case, but I do hope we find out whether or not drugs are involved.  The May confrontation between RS and TH - something about him "lunging" at her while holding the baby "because she rebuffed his advances" doesn't sound right.  I'm thinking there would be more to it that sex to create a "lunge".

"If" RS and/or associates are involved, there are so many ways Sauvie Island could have played a part.  Just reading the "few" ideas Beejay in BOC post came up with got my mind to reeling...some things she pointed out I had not thought of...and there such simple and obvious ideas.

Gosh, this could be so simple that LE can't see the forest for the trees (Stanton: we gathered a huge amount of information that wasn't leading us in one direction = task force).  I hope Stanton's report to the commissioner at the first of next month will give us some idea of his progress...maybe a percentage of how much information LE has put to rest.

Puzzler: Great post as always.

I agree, there are a lot of good thoughts and theories going on at BOC regarding RS and associates. I personally don't think RS had anything to do with Kyron going missing, meaning I don't think RS took Kyron out of the school that day. I DO believe that RS and associates ARE, and have been, on the radar with LE, but for other reasons.

I don't want to sleuth potential illegal activities if it doesn't have anything to do with Kyron going missing. I'm sure LE knows exactly what's going on.

A few things at the top of my head, that keep coming back to me in this case:

1. The truck sighting from Jim Kelley.
2. The Holm/Villarreal family.
3. The 8am-12 window from LE regarding the list

The truck sighting, just bugs the heck out of me because of both the location to the Holm residence, and the day. Not once, but twice, the white truck with a woman driving it, was spotted on that road. I believe this account from Jim Kelley.

The Holm/Villarreal family. This one could go on and on. First, I would like to know why Terri not only invited Kurtis to a family outing the weekend prior to Kyron being missing, but also why she chose to take pics of Kurtis. Have you seen just one other picture of Kyrons friends in her 100's of FB pics? I haven't, NOT one. Secondly, Kim's interview with the reporter. When she stated, what appeared that she didn't really know the family, that she didn't let her kids go with just anyone, it was as if she were deliberately trying to exclude any personal interaction with TH. For gosh sakes, the woman was the soccer coach. There is so much that is just plain hinky with this family, in relationship to Kyron.

The 8am-12 window from LE regarding the list. This is another thing bugging the crap out of me. Why did the window change from 9am - 12pm? IIRC, wasn't the time of 10am-12pm suppose to be the time when students and teachers (no parents) were already split up into groups and touring the science fair? What else goes on in that time frame? Maybe the cafeteria staff are getting ready to prep for lunch? What else would be logical?

One other thing, how is it that, since the before school daycare let out at 8:45, nobody saw Kyron leave that school? Is it because he didn't leave the school at that time? It was only assumed because of the 9am classroom check-in time frame and he wasn't there? Where was he?

As you can see, I have more questions than answers, for now.

 ::HelloKitty::

I agree that the truck sitings are very strange.  That road in no way is a road that people would go on.  And I believe Kelly when he says that they are very aware of who comes on their tiny little rutted road.

The CLEAN FACTOR - Registered in 2005 at an home address in Clackamas

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/2011Jan/CleanFactor1.jpg)

The re-registered at a new address (same as RS Landscaping) in August 2010.  What changed that he moved back with his dad (assuming Rudy is the dad).  Has anyone looked for evidence of Kyron at Jaime's former address in Clackamas?

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/2011Jan/CleanFactor2.jpg)

Rudy Sanchez address in Milwaukie Oregon and Jaime's is the same:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/2011Jan/rslandscape1.jpg)

I think Jaime and Rudy are brothers. At least that was my understanding. They sure do look alike, don't they?

Yes they do and I wonder why Jaime moved in with Rudy in August 2010?  What changed?  Has anyone looked at Jaime's previous address in Clackamas for evidence of Kyron?  Clackamas is about 24 minutes SE of Portland.

http://www.realtor.com/property-detail/9855-SE-Amherst-St_Clackamas_OR_97015_48476e04 (http://www.realtor.com/property-detail/9855-SE-Amherst-St_Clackamas_OR_97015_48476e04)

9855 SE Amherst St Clackamas OR 97015 with a pic of the house.

The home at 7169 SE RENADA ST is owned by a person named Octaviano Angel-Gomez.

http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/11/02/kyron-horman-case-terri-horman-sexts-sent-to-kaine-hormans-phone-what/#comments (http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/11/02/kyron-horman-case-terri-horman-sexts-sent-to-kaine-hormans-phone-what/#comments)

River says:
January 21, 2011 at 9:58 am

Enumclawrose~ The Sanchez/Estrada web has one more tangle w/ the “Tweet” name.
Robert L Tweet died. Leaving his estate in trust. The trust SOLD the Renada St house 11/06/2006, $329,000.00
Now per Clackamas Co Assessment & Taxation, the house was bought by: Octaviano A Gomez & Octaviano Angel-Gomez

Isn't August when Rudy went before the GJ? Perhaps RS couldn't afford living there? I'll look around to see what I can find regarding the Clackamas address.

 ::HelloKitty::

I read Seamus blog spot on analyzing Billie Dunn of the Hailey Dunn  missing child.  He said that water, shower, etc is related to a sexual crime and there is none of that with Hailey.

What I find interesting is that TH talked about clean sheets a very few days afer Kyron was missing.  I wonder if there is anything to that?

Edited to correct from CLAN to CLEAN sheets  ::MonkeyCool::

clan sheets? Oh, you mean clean sheets?   ::MonkeyHaHa:: I forgot about that detail.

The problem with TH's statements is that we analyze them but we don't necessarily believe them, because she lies so much.

She is the perfect example of "the boy who cried wolf". She really got herself in a pickle by creating her web of lies.

 ::HelloKitty::

Nice job of typing with the "clan" sheets. 

She said on her FB that she was sleeping in clean sheets shortly after Kyron was missing.

It's all about "me me me"

 ::HelloKitty::

I remember ,when this first started, reading her FB.  I did not think of her as involved at all.  I thought that she was a fairly well to do society woman.

She wrote in her FB as if she was planning a large party or event.  She was very matter of fact and organized and responded to people on FB as if she was a "secretary" rather than the loving step mother.  I just noted how she seemed so unemotional about it all.  I would have assumed by reading her responses that she was a hired person responding to people's comments on FB.

This looks like it may be your answer, although if he went into foreclosure a few years ago, where did he live between 2009 and August of 2010? Maybe in with RS and changed the address when his renewal came due?

http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/11/02/kyron-horman-case-terri-horman-sexts-sent-to-kaine-hormans-phone-what/#comments (http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/11/02/kyron-horman-case-terri-horman-sexts-sent-to-kaine-hormans-phone-what/#comments)

riverpearl says:
January 22, 2011 at 7:21 pm

Per the Clean Factor web site, Jaime Estrada “… has been cleaning carpets for over 5 years”.

Could he “be the money” to purchase house ?

JMHO

http://clean-factor.com/company/

No, as I believe he lost his own home to foreclosure a few years back, iirc.
B

I am very stuck on SI for now.  I see the population is between 1000-1100.  I know it has been searched, but how extensively??  I see that the historic home there is closed down, how long has it been closed?  Have there been renovations to it?  Have the searches been exclusively near the water?

What I've always wondered if (if it's true) WHY TH picked RS to ask about getting a MFH.  I mean, really - *if* for some reason one had the audacity and bad character to do a MFH and take the huge risk of asking someone to do it for you, wouldn't the person you ask have to have some qualifying experience that would make you think that they're not only capable of it, but also able to do it (have enough experience in that sort of thing)?

RS agrees to do the police sting; there's something there.  There's a heck of a lot of smoke for there to be no fire there.

::MonkeyAngel::

I'm on the fence about whether or not he has anything to do with Kyron, but there's something to be said with whom one associates.... and TH apparently chose to associate with RS at least professionally even after supposedly marking him as one who might be able to complete a MFH.

 ::HelloKitty::

If she was having a sexual relationship with him, she may have thought that she was fabulous enuff that he would do ANYTHING to have her.  It appears that he did not feel that way about her at all.

Once again she miscalculated on how fabulous she is.  Like telling people that she was way better than the teacher.

I think TH thinks that she is more fabulous in every way,

So, hubby and I were on the way to the grocery store and I had him slow down at 955 S Pacific hwy because I wanted to take some pics. We slowed down and there must have been 20 people there loading up the truck. I said, "Oh crap! How am I suppose to take pics if they are there? What am I suppose to tell them if they catch me? I just want to buy some shrubs?" So we went shopping and I hoped those people would be gone. After all, they were interfering with my objective of taking those pics!  ::MonkeyDevil::

Anywho, my wish was granted. I was only able to get 3 pics for now. I need to go on that side road (outside the property of course) and take some there. From what I could see, there are a lot of broken down trailers.

So fwiw here ya go.

http://s917.photobucket.com/albums/ad12/sass2heart/ (http://s917.photobucket.com/albums/ad12/sass2heart/)

Sassi - TY   The pictures are great!  We've talked about this piece of property so much - and it looks so ordinary.  Ha.  But it's great to get a visual of what we're talking about.

The part you talked about in a earlier post about another white truck, a lady driving, that one has always seemed odd to me, too. 

Wasn't there a fairly recent post on BOC about RS selling his white truck and that it looked very much like the Horman's white truck?  Wonder why a landscaper would sell his truck if it was running okay?

I'm thankful there wasn't a white truck parked in front  ::MonkeyCool::

Uh no, not in front, but there was a white extended cab truck parked on the side road of the property, near the tractor trailer truck. It scared me!  ::MonkeyShocked::

I think that was speculation. I remember seeing that post and them talking about whether they sold it or maybe had it painted.

When I took the pic of the front of the house with the truck and car in the driveway, I was hoping I could get close enough for Klaas to zoom in on the license plates and give them to Blink.  ::MonkeyTongue::

No, too far away, they get too blurry to read.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Picture0001.png)

Yeah, I didn't think so. I should have written them down but I had the wrong glasses with me and I didn't want somebody running out of the house screaming obscenities to me!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Next weekend I'll try again. Need to make a note to order some camouflage gear. j/k  ::MonkeyWink::

Yeah, I looked for one too. LOL

Just a red one.

lol Sassi, you're a ninja!!  :)   Something just tickles me about your spy mission - you're a sweetheart.  Thank you for the pictures; very interesting!

Yes, your efforts are quite appreciated, Sassifrass.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Where are you Kyron? God please allow this child to be found.

Ninja  ::MonkeyDevil::

So hubby and I realized that we forgot to get some of the specials at the Safeway store. The sale ends Tuesday and opens at 5am, so we decided to go then, before work started. Since our camera has photo flash on it, I'm gonna sneak around there to take pics (on the outside of the property of course). I hope they don't have some crazy dog out there. Maybe I should take Isabella, my cat, to scratch their eyes out! Going to try and get what ever I can.

Can you hear that Mission Impossible song going on right now?   ::MonkeyCool::

Is that a semi truck on the side of the house? Is someone a truck driver?

Oh, lol. Helps if I scroll down to read....

"Ubaldo Sanchez
Side road with Semi Truck"

Can someone please clarify what this post means though because when i search I get two different locations for each address and not the same address. Is that what this post is saying? It is the same property? I am confused

TG: The roads and addresses in Oregon are strange. I've said this before and I'll say it again.

Pacific Hwy and 99E are the same. So if you search on an address that is Pacific Hwy, a different number will come up for public information because it recognizes the address as being 99E. Some of that info can be quirky because it doesn't recognize Pacific Hwy.

I'll try to make this easier. In Oregon, and probably every state, within a locality, meaning town, a state hwy will be changed to a local name, but they are still the same. It's a road that becomes localized within that area, for postal deliveries.

99E addresses are based on plots. Just like if you go down Joe Shmoe Road and they have 80 acres. His address may be 1000 Joe Shmoe Road, but because there is a potential of subdivision on that road the address search will link, in some state data bases, as being in a range of the previous owners land. So you will see a skip in addresses when you look at a bing or Google map.

Hope that you understood that. I'm not trying to be confusing.

Tracygirl,
If you are going to sleuth some of these addresses and I know you will  ::MonkeyDevil::, remember that google does not always have updated name changes. I am a garage sale junkie and cannot tell you how many times I have gotten lost because I was sent on the wrong roads.

I would also like to point out the RS and his associates are undoubtedly a very tangled web. I am in the credit business and cannot tell you how hard it is to research some who come from Mexico. Many times, one person who has a legitimate social security number than allows his friends and relatives to piggy back on the same said social security number. Many men use either their mothers last name or their fathers or both. One of the things that has bugged me so much about this case is the fact that the wife and children went missing. This makes me think that drugs are involved to some degree.

I am so happy to see some action once again on Kyron's thread. I always post his pictures on my facebook page and think about him daily!

May have already been posted:

http://www.kgw.com/news/Kyron-Hormans-image-to-appear-on-semi-trucks-nationwide-114419534.html

(http://media.kgw.com/images/kyron+truck+image.jpg)

Kyron Horman’s image will appear on semi trailers nationwide

Credit: Gordon Trucking, Inc.
by Jeff Thompson, kgw.com Staff
Posted on January 22, 2011 at 11:02 AM

Updated today at 9:17 AM

– An image of missing Portland boy Kyron Horman, along with the words “Have you seen me?” will appear on semi-trailers nationwide as part of a joint effort between the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office and the Washington State Patrol.

The effort is part of WSP’s Homeward Bound program. Gordon Trucking, Inc. will be featuring the image (pictured, above) on its trailers.

Horman has been missing since June 4, 2010, when he disappeared from Portland’s Skyline Elementary School. He and his stepmother had been at a science fair and he was last seen on his way to a class that morning.

Timeline: Search for Kyron Horman
 
Homeward Bound increases the public exposure of missing children, which generally increases the chance of recovery.
 
Three children abducted by their father in 2006 were reunited with their mother Jan. 14, after being featured in the Homeward Bound program.

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/26579654_640X480.jpg)

A picture showing it on a truck.

http://www.kptv.com/news/26579619/detail.html

Has anyone seen this site before?

Disciplined Teachers Results

http://www.oregonlive.com/special/index.ssf/2008/02/disciplined_teachers_results.html?appSession=451278237559199&RecordID=&PageID=2&PrevPageID=&cpipage=2&CPISortType=&CPIorderBy= (http://www.oregonlive.com/special/index.ssf/2008/02/disciplined_teachers_results.html?appSession=451278237559199&RecordID=&PageID=2&PrevPageID=&cpipage=2&CPISortType=&CPIorderBy=)

What I found odd was, it was updated on Wednesday, July 07, 2010, 8:08 PM, and Skyline is NOT on the list of schools in Oregon. Why is that?

Wow Brandi! Thanks! The photo looks huge too!  ::MonkeyAngel::

If you are speaking of the drop down selector at the bottom of the page, it appears that only schools with disciplined teachers are listed. It is most certainly not a list of all of the schools in Oregon state.

I think you may be right nicu, but I'm going to check further. You know me, I just have to make sure and you usually set me straight. I just can't imagine how nobody in the history of Skyline has ever been reprimanded. It's an old school. Doesn't hurt to check.  ::MonkeyWink::

My guess is that Skyline is not on the list because no teacher from Skyline has been disciplined.   I don't believe that is a full list of schools in Oregon, only a list with teachers that have been disciplined.

For all you sleuthers, this is a good site for finding referencing information in Oregon. You can find just about anything.

I like things in one place for searching.

http://publicrecords.searchsystems.net/United_States_Free_Public_Records_by_State/Oregon_Public_Records/ (http://publicrecords.searchsystems.net/United_States_Free_Public_Records_by_State/Oregon_Public_Records/)

Yeah, the more I look at it, I agree. It also isn't updated. It only goes to 2008. Thanks.

I was listening to one of my favorite songs the other day, Godspeed by the Dixie Chicks.  And it really made me think of little Kyron and all the wonder that little boys and girls of that age still have for simple things in the world, including little frogs.  And all the wonder and innocence that they should still be experiencing.

For some reason "fish bite moonbeams every night" chokes me up every.single.time., and I partially blame Brandi (wink wink poke) because I always picture Kyron beside a pond, with a grinning frog, and now fish biting moonbeams in the magic of the night.

As a living boy, Kyron could look so different now - how would we recognize him?  Why isn't he home yet?  Will the upcoming information give us any hope? 

I'm so frustrated, but even after all this time Kyron is still fresh on my mind.  For me, he was really the first kiddo that went missing that 'woke me up' from my complacent stupor about how this world really is for some kids.  Then there was Gabriel following, and I learned about Caylee, and then Zahra, now Hailey.  To me, it all starts with Kyron.

Godspeed, indeed, Little Man.  Please come home.

God speed, Kyron.   ::FlyingFrog::

I'll take partial blame for keeping Kyron in your thoughts and heart.

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/missing29.png)

Still waiting for you, Kyron.

In looking for info on Kyron, I found this article about a man whose residence is listed as Sauvie Island, and apparently was into Landscaping and is now the subject of a manhunt after shooting a police officer when he was pulled over for speeding.   It also says he has been acting different the last six months.  ::MonkeyEek::

I don't think it is related to the investigation however.  Lots of coincidences though....

http://www.ktvz.com/news/26604519/detail.html

Ok, I guess my link doesn't work.  Not sure what happened.  Sorry.

OK I take it back, it does work.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

It worked fine for me monchichi.  It's interesting...

 ::MonkeyJnBox::   Yep, it's working alright.  ::MonkeyWink::

I'm not sure what this may have to do with Kyron's case, but it could be interesting.  I hope the police are able to interview him. 

Yeah, I don't really think it's related, but the whole pickup/landscaping/sauvie island thing made it come up in my search.  I don't think the article said why the guy shot an officer.

I don't know if it ties in either, but it's worth looking at. We don't want to assume, do we?

http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/11/02/kyron-horman-case-terri-horman-sexts-sent-to-kaine-hormans-phone-what/#comments (http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/11/02/kyron-horman-case-terri-horman-sexts-sent-to-kaine-hormans-phone-what/#comments)

Shelly says:
January 25, 2011 at 10:20 am

#13 Zeus: in addition to him breaking up w / girlfriend,

According to Sauvie Island Volunteer Fire Chief Norvin Collins, David Durham was a volunteer fire fighter for six years. He had gone inactive six months ago due to unspecified emotional problems.

http://www.kgw.com/news/Lincoln-City-police-officer-critically-wounded-114481559.html (http://www.kgw.com/news/Lincoln-City-police-officer-critically-wounded-114481559.html)



First Name   DAVID   Middle Name   ANTHONY   Last Name   DURHAM
Primary Address   N/A   City   PORTLAND   State   OR
ZIP Code   97218   Latitude   45.56589   Longitude   -122.60438
Phone Number   N/A   Date of Birth   19670311   Street   5959 NE 57TH AVE
Race   CAUCASIAN   Height   75"   Weight   155 LBS
Hair Color   BLOND   Offense Date   19990623   Court   MULTNOMAH COUNTY COURTS
Source State   OR   Offense   PROSTITUTION    Gender   MALE



First Name   DAVID   Middle Name   ANTHONY   Last Name   DURHAM
Primary Address   N/A   City   PORTLAND   State   OR
ZIP Code   97212   Phone Number   N/A   Date of Birth   19670311
Street   2617 N E 16TH   Offense Date   19930718   Court   COLUMBIA COUNTY COURTS
Source State   OR   Offense   FL WEAR PROTECT HEAD MOTORCYCL

OT mostly

I watched Portlandia on IFC recently and it totally reminded me of DeDe and her ilk. I guess she fits a stereotype. Funny show.

i agree that it is only schools with records of teachers diciplined, there are a few schools i went to not listed as well as a few we have worked at (in my company) that are not listed.

all it stated was he shot him when he was being pulled over, i am going to assume for a traffic violation unless he had a warrant.

this is happening alot in the news i have noticed, officers being shot when approaching the vehicle, so scary and sad.

This article has a bit more information on this guy. Here is the link

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j3kCc9Tv98JqIxhy4-mppKRC_6aw?docId=01e02dba565447fab14e74ddfefdba70

ive looked at that list,and some of them just say portland,no school,and in the read pdf no school is listed/mentioned
has anyone started cross checking the teachers,could have been a substitute, that was disciplined
i saw a couple,sorry didnt save the link,that had been revoked for using school puters to access porn
im going to do a few,a couple of times a week,and see what i get,prob nothing,but you never know

I was not aware that Sauvie Island has a "clothing optional" beach. Probably does not relate to anything, but I just thought that it was interesting. I wonder if it draws certain types of people to that beach?

http://www.orcoba.org/wst_page5.html

Here is the link

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2011-01-27-missingkids27_ST_N.htm
Comcast to broadcast info on missing children

(snipped)
Starting today, Kyron's story and photo will be available to nearly 20 million Comcast cable customers in more than 25 cities in partnership with the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children.

"Somebody knows where this child is," says center President Ernie Allen. "If we reach that one person, we increase the likelihood that we'll get that one lead that will bring the child home."

The public service campaign comes a day before Comcast closes its deal with General Electric for 51% of a joint venture that includes NBC Universal. The deal makes Comcast the nation's most powerful media, entertainment and news company.

Comcast created the missing kids videos after having some success with its Police Blotter program, which features fugitives. Police credit the crime videos with generating tips that led to 90 arrests, says Diana Kerekes, vice president of entertainment services for Philadelphia-based Comcast.

"We'd be thrilled if we found 90 missing children in four years," Allen says.

Comcast's Missing Kids On Demand can be accessed online at xfinity.com/news/missingkids or on TV in the OnDemand menu under local content, Kerekes says. Areas carrying the videos include Atlanta; Baltimore; Philadelphia; Pittsburgh; Memphis; Chattanooga, Tenn.; Chicago; Washington; Denver; Houston; Indianapolis; Little Rock; Portland, Ore.; Richmond, Va.; San Francisco; Seattle; South Florida and Minneapolis.

Twenty, two-minute video profiles are available. The videos include the child's name, description, photo, possible whereabouts and a narrative of the disappearance. Each month, the missing children's center and Comcast will rotate new videos into the lineup. Each video will be available for at least 12 weeks.
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That is such great news Muffy Bee!

Oops! I meant to hit "go down" and hit "log out" instead.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Anywho, I wanted to go the other day at 5am to take pics but my sleeping schedule has been unbalanced. So I'm going this Saturday, but I'm not going to be able to post some of those pics. I'll see what I can get, depending on the activity going on that day.

I thought I could get through the side road, but they put up a fence.  ::MonkeyMad::

Most of the pics, I'm hoping, will be for Klaas and Blink.

I have a very uneasy feeling about this place. Don't know why, it's just what it is.

Thanks Sass

From what I hear, most of those that frequent the nude beaches aren't exactly model types.  They are often out of shape and middle aged  ::MonkeyCool::

LOL Klaas! So, you don't think that there would be lots of lookie loos?

I have always been pretty open minded about psychics until Amber Dubois went missing. So many psychics sent Carrie on so many wild goose chases. Having said this, I have a friend that I have known since grade school. She has never lied to me to my knowledge, and she is very normal. She told me recently that she has psychic abilities but does not tell many people. I asked her to look at Kyron's photo. She says that Kyron was taken by a man and woman. She says that the man is a hicky hillbilly type. She also states that they took Kyron for ransom but something went horribly wrong. She said this man is in Terri's circle but is most likely a friend of a friend. She told me that she would try to put aside some time soon to do whatever she does to see what she does.

Sebastion I couldn't be happier than a pig in unowhat if your friend could help find Ky or any clue that could help this poor lost baby.  Ask her, beg her, whatever you need to do!  I think lots of us here would be so grateful to you and your friend just for trying.  Very nice of the two of y'all!

From what I've been told if you look once, you won't look again  ::MonkeyCool::

Sebastian one thing to consider about your friend is she didn't come to you with the information, you went to her. So many of the psychics are out to make a name for themselves and to use their "gift" for profit or they simply like to think they have a gift when they don't.
Please let us know what she says when you get together with her.

 

Oh gosh remember that Richard guy from Survivor? No thank you!

OT if anyone has been following the Juliani Cardenas case the car has been found in the canal and will be lifted within a few hours. It has not been said who, if anyone is in the car, but it is believed both he and his abductor are in there.

This is a sad day...

Sebastion,nice and TY and your friend, hopefully she will have a good lead

Hi MelisaB,
Believe me, I have been all over her for information! Again, I am still rather skeptical about all of the psychic stuff, but I will continue to pick her brain!

LOL Klaas!  ::MonkeyDevil::

Tracygirl, that is very true. She is helping me just because. She does not charge any money nor does she want her name out there. I guess I have just have a hard time "believing", although my own mother has had some strange things occur over the years and I trust her completely. So, you just have to have an open mind I guess.

Hi Cw,
The weird thing is, I did not tell her anything at all about the case. The information that she gave me was so inline with everything that so many of us have felt.

I have no psychic abilities at all. Having said this, I wonder what our boy JW has been up to lately,  ::MonkeyDevil::

Sebastian, You mean the wet blanket? Probably more of the same, you know, telling yarns of days past, threatening lawsuits, complaining of being in the lime light. The usual.

Sebastian, I am interested in what your friend has to say, keep us posted, eh ?

Sorry, O/T: Klaas: There's a special delivery in your inbox.  ::MonkeyCool::

Hmm.  I googled and found a new twitter account.   ::MonkeyWink::

I just realized my O/T post and wanted to say something.

I took some pics of 955 S Pacific Hwy, but I can't post them because they have personal info that can't be posted. I didn't want to hurt any Monkeys or make them feel like I was holding something back from them.

They're just pics that may help Blink in her investigation regarding Kyron, and this IS about Kyron.

I just wanted to get them to Klaas and Blink asap.

Hope you Monkeys understand.

BTW, I'm never friggen going back there again. I was so nervous, my armpits were sweating for an hour!  ::MonkeyDevil:: But it was for Kyron.  ::MonkeyAngel::

Oh really? Got a link?

 ::MonkeyDevil::

It's probably a good idea to stay away from there, especially because they may know what you've been up to from the internet. ::MonkeyShocked::
It sounds like you went on a very dangerous mission, let's hope it pays off! ::MonkeyAngel::

IDK if I am supposed to post it, but if you google the name and "twitter" it should come up, or maybe the business name and twitter...

I totally understand that Klaas. I even forgot about him until that post, and it was just me being inquisitive.  All is good. No worries.

I totally understand that Klaas. I even forgot about him until that post, and it was just me being inquisitive.  All is good. No worries.


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Me too.  Please delete my post if you feel it's necessary.  I didn't mean to cause any trouble.

Argh, I totally messed up the quote boxes on my last post.  Klaas feel free to delete the last one as well!

monchichi:  :smt056 IMO, I think you are a great asset to this forum, as are many monkey's.

Don't beat yourself up over the small stuff. It took me a long long time to find out about stuff that is questionable to post. I'm still learning as are every Monkey on this forum.

Keep doing what you're doing. IMO, I totally respect you and your post'.   ::MonkeyWink::

As for TH and her "I'm not saying a word".  :smt021 and your sexting, you showed the world the kind of person you are. The consensus: --->  :smt067 Terri:  :smt052

Sorry, they didn't have a golf ball and hose emoticon.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

The point I was trying to make on the previous post was TH is a very manipulative biatch. She will say and do whatever will make her seem golden. It's not working.

She needs to tell the truth if she's ever going to have a life. IF she's not responsible for Kyron going missing, NOTHING and I mean NOTHING, is as bad as being an accomplice to Kyron going missing.

Terri needs to make a choice. Tell the truth, even though it may be illegal or embarrassing to her, or keep paying her high priced attorney to try and cover up or evade her involvement in Kyron going missing.

She has a choice. Which one will she make?

This Monkey has a very bad flue and is heading out. Prayers for Kyron.
 ::MonkeyBike::  ::MonkeyAngel::

Ninjafrass has been at it again!  ::MonkeyKiss2::  I hope it does help; it must've been nerve-wracking!

You're so kind, Sassi.  Get lots of rest and feel better soon.

One more post before I gulp some medicine down.

starwynn: you crack me up! Actually in my younger days, I was a black belt in Karate. I trained with blind folds on to enhance my instincts. Right now, at my age, I still have the instincts, but the physical motions are not up to par. A stroke will do that to you.

Everything I do here is for Kyron. I just can't let it go, especially seeing the horrible pain that Desiree and her family are going through. That beautiful lady needs her son home, one way or another.

Sassifrass: You are a nut! Stay away from those a**holios. 285 names? I wonder if there's a connection between ((edit)) and any of the 285 troupe. Omething at some point has to give.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/01/search_for_kyron_horman_resume.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/01/search_for_kyron_horman_resume.html)

Search for Kyron Horman resumes today north and west of Portland   ::MonkeyAngel::

The seven-month search for missing Kyron Horman turns its focus today on two rural locations north and west of Portland as investigators run down specific intelligence they've developed and warmer weather conditions now provide a window of opportunity.

Between 40 to 50 search-and-rescue workers, along with up to seven cadaver-detecting dogs, will be combing the dense forested area around turnouts, trailheads, and gated logging roads along a stretch of Northwest Skyline Road, south of Rocky Point Road and a gravel road further north in the Dixie Mountain area.

The private timber land crosses into unincorporated areas of Multnomah, Washington and Columbia counties, and reaches elevations of between 1,000 and 1,500 feet.

"Weather conditions prevented the searching of these two locations a month or six weeks ago because of the snow up there, and dogs are not effective when it's below 40 degrees," said Multnomah County Sheriff's Sgt. Keith Krafve, a supervisor of the Kyron Horman Task Force.

"There're very specific reasons why we're here," said Multnomah County deputy sheriff Mark Herron, a search and rescue coordinator on the task force.

"We'll be looking for all those things that are Kyron associated," he said, adding that the searchers will also be looking for anything that might have been left by those involved with Kyron's disappearance.

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Investigators declined to identify the leads directing them to these two new locations. But past searches at Sauvie Island resulted from the analysis of cell phone tower pings, viable tips, or statistical probabilities from studies of other missing child cases, officials said.

"We're not going to be out searching anything unless we have an investigative purpose," Herron said.

The locations that will be combed today are remote, with residences few and far between. On Saturday, a heavy fog shrouded the wooded area for most of the early morning, and few cars passed. Ground searches will be directed to specific turnouts, trailheads or areas that a vehicle could pull in, and then conduct a 300-foot radius search of the sites, depending on the steepness of the terrain.

"You could see the hazards we're going to face," Herron said, stepping over discarded screens, wood filled with nails, broken glass and shotgun shells at one gated logging road off Northwest Skyline Boulevard, south of Rocky Point Road. The spot is about 20 to 22 miles from Skyline Elementary School.

"Time has gone by, yes," Herron said. "However, the things that we'll be looking for. If they're there, they're still going to be there."

Joining the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office search and rescue unit will be volunteer searchers from Search One K9 Detection, North Oregon Regional Search and Rescue (NORSAR), Oregon K9 Search Teams, Mountain Wave Emergency Communications Inc., Yamhill County dog team and Pacific Crest Search Dogs (Skamania County).

Although authorities have not named anyone a suspect, it's clear from court documents and testimony in the pending divorce between Kyron's father and stepmother that Terri Horman remains at the center of the inquiry, as well as a handful of associates and friends of hers. No arrests have been made.

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Thank you Sassifras for the article about new searches for Kyron.   ::FlyingFrog:: 

Vicinity of the new search:

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Note that it's in the same area near Cornelious Pass Rd where Kim Holm and near where the truck was seen:

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I am so glad we finally have a new search in this case.  I check everyday in hope of something new for Kyron. 

Whoa! Thanks Klaas! That can't be a coinky dinky.

These are the things that really stood out to me. What THINGS?

I'm starting to feel hopeful that Kyron will get justice.

7 cadaver dogs will be involved with this search.  That alone should tell you something.  I wonder if they believe Kyron was put in a container like one of those large plastic or Rubbermaid tubs?

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My heart is breaking.

Well, it's certainly perked my ears up!

A couple of weeks back I made a statement that I could see a couple more searches being done before Stanton's report was due to the commissioner.  I "assumed" any searches would be on Sauvie Island.

I'm glad to see searches being made in other areas. 

This one sounds hopeful.

Calling it BREAKING NEWS:

http://www.kptv.com/news/26667764/detail.html

Investigators Resume Search For Kyron Horman
Boy Missing Since June 4, 2010

POSTED: 7:57 am PST January 30, 2011
UPDATED: 8:14 am PST January 30, 2011

PORTLAND, Ore. -- The search for missing boy Kyron Horman will resume today when crews search near two rural Portland roads.

At least 40 rescue workers and a handful of search dogs will take part in the effort, says Multnomah County sheriff's spokeswoman Mary Lindstrand.

They're focusing on Northwest Skyline Road near Rocky Point Road, plus a gravel road in the Dixie Mountain area.

Lindstrand says the search comes about due to information gained during the investigation and authorities say the warmer weather now makes it possible to search those areas with dogs.

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http://www.kgw.com/home/related/kyronsearchresumes-114897304.html

Search for Kyron Horman resumes Sunday

by Colin Miner, KGW Staff
kgw.com

Posted on January 30, 2011 at 8:32 AM
Updated today at 8:42 AM

PORTLAND -- The search for Kyron Horman -  the boy last seen June 4th at Skyline Elementary School - resumed Sunday in a rural area not far from the school.

Spokeswoman for the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office Mary Lindstrand told KGW that efforts will be centered along Northwest Skyline Road near Rocky Point Road and a gravel road in the Dixie Mountain area.

At least 40 rescuers and several search dogs will be a part of the effort.

Lindstrand couldn't comment on the specifics of why searchers were returning today but sources have said that recent search efforts have been based on further analysis of cell phone records.
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Don't they have any snow now?
We have two feet here

I wonder who's armpits are sweating now? ::MonkeyRoll::

I believe they get more rain than snow in the Portland area. 

FWIW it was 75 here yesterday and 80 the day before.

I look at Portland's 5-day weather forecast every few days...they get days and days and days of rainfall - very little snow (in the past few months that I've been looking at the forecast). 

Portland weather forecast for today:
Partly sunny; high 54

 ::HelloKitty::

Wow.  Klaas.  Thanks for the maps!

A couple of thoughts from me.  I understand that messages on cellphones can be found going back 2 years.  Maybe they have waded through the bajilliion cell phone records and found some info.

Maybe they have looked at some other cars and tracked the GPS devices on their cars or the other tracking stuff on cars and got this info.

Maybe they received more videos or someone saw something in some videos that led to this.  Or maybe someone spilled some beans?

It appears that SI may have been someone carrying TH's cellphone?  They would have had to meet up again for her to get that phone back.

For the search area, it certainly looks like an area that TH could easily reach in her missing time frame.

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I'm curious if they could get any forensics off "things" after all this time and how they could tie it to a specific person.

hahaha NUT! I think at least one person needs to start getting their affairs in order, and I'm not talking about stocking up on golf balls either.  ::MonkeyDevil::

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/01/search_for_kyron_horman_resume.html

(snip)  "Staton last week said he doesn't intend to seek additional funds, and plans to go before the board of commissioners sometime in late February to give a status report on whether or not the task force will continue its full-time work."  (snip)

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/01/search_for_kyron_horman_this_m.html

Search, canine teams renew hunt for Kyron Horman in rural Multnomah County
Published: Sunday, January 30, 2011, 9:50 AM     Updated: Sunday, January 30, 2011, 10:23 AM

Search teams have descended Sunday morning on two areas of north and west of Portland where they will resume the search for Kyron Horman.

The Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office released a statement saying  that the search for Kyron Horman is underway.

Search teams include Multnomah County Search and Rescue and its partners, North Oregon Regional Search and Rescue, four regional canine search teams and Mountain Wave Communications.

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Multnomah County Sheriff's deputy Eric Gustafson said authorities plan to send the canine teams in first so searchers do not contaminate the search areas. The seven total dogs on the teams are trained to pick up the scent of human remains.

"None of the searching we do is random," Gustafson said, adding that he could not comment on specifics. "We don't throw darts at a board and say, 'let's search here.' We don't say, 'We haven't searched in a while, let's go search.'"

He said it's all based on information learned during the investigation.
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Wow good they are out there, although it doesn't sound like they are looking for a live Kyron. That is very sad...
I wonder if there is someone talking?

I am in google map hell right now. I am trying to find all of the area's stated in the articles. Rocky Point is far from Skyline and that community right? On my search it said it was 25 or so min, is that correct? Does anyone see a lake in that area?

Looks like it's on the way to Sauvie Island
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Thank you Klaas. Honestly Oregon is a confusing place for Google maps!

It really is, a lot of winding roads and roads going off in different directions. 

Kyron task force calls for West Hills search
By KATU News and KATU.com Staff

PORTLAND, Ore. – The Multnomah County Sheriff's Office Search & Rescue Unit is searching two spots in Portland's West Hills Sunday – at the request of the Kyron Horman Task Force.

Between 40 and 50 search-and-rescue workers, along with up to seven cadaver-detecting dogs, will be combing the dense forested area around turnouts, trail heads and gated logging roads along a stretch of Northwest Skyline Road. The search team also includes a member of the Multnomah County coroner's office, an unusual addition to the search.

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http://www.katu.com/news/local/114899784.html

From what I can gather from mapping it, Rocky Point and Skyline are north west of Sauvie.

I think this search is big.

Coroner's office?  WOW  ::MonkeyEek::

Could they be acting on not just a tip but from a confession. Do you think they have someone in custody?

I don't think it's Northwest of Sauvie.  Let me look again. 

Haven't chimed in for a while as I personally think looking at anyone but TH is fruitless.  Happy to see they are searching again.

My personal opinion has been that TH is much like CA ... just got lucky and placed the body in a place that wasn't searched immediately.  As time passed and the body wasn't found, all they had to do was pray the body decomposed quickly so time and cause of death were undeterminable and forensics were washed away.  If Kyron's body was really put in a container ... someone apparently didn't watch enough CSI!  That container not only hides body and odor of decomp ... it also preserves evidence.

I believe it is due WEST of Sauvie about at the island midpoint.  Not North at all as far as I can see.

That is what I'm hoping for, a container. 

http://www.katu.com/news/local/114899784.html

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A spokesperson confirms that Sunday's efforts are being done in the hopes of bringing "closure" to the nearly 8-month-long search for missing 8-year-old Kyron Horman. Kyron was 7 when he is believed to have disappeared from a science fair in rural Northwest Portland's Skyline School.

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Me too klaas!  I've never thought she was smart ... she was just lucky.

I so hope this little boy's body is found on this search.  Every family deserves to grieve and everyone deserves a proper burial.

Oh gosh they know where he is at, that is what it sounds like to me.

Link to the sheriffs department, you can search who's in custody.

http://www.mcso.us/public/

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/01/multnomah_county_sheriffs_offi_2.html

Multnomah County sheriff's officials say they hope new search brings closure to Kyron Horman case
Published: Sunday, January 30, 2011, 10:23 AM     Updated: Sunday, January 30, 2011, 12:17 PM

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By Thomas Boyd, The Oregonian
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Sunday, January 30, 2011--Searchers mark possible evidence in their search for Kyron Horman. The Multnomah County Sheriff's Office Search & Rescue (SAR) Unit, at the request of the Kyron Horman Task Force, along with up to seven cadaver-detecting dogs, will be combing the dense forested area around turnouts, trailheads, and gated logging roads along a stretch of Northwest Skyline Road, south of Rocky Point Road and a gravel road further north in the Dixie Mountain area. Thomas Boyd/The Oregonian

It sure does seem like they know where Kyron is. Could someone have talked?

http://www.katu.com/news/local/114899784.html

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Between 40 and 50 search-and-rescue workers, along with up to seven cadaver-detecting dogs, will be combing the dense forested area around turnouts, trail heads and gated logging roads along a stretch of Northwest Skyline Road. The search team also includes a member of the Multnomah County coroner's office, an unusual addition to the search.

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BBM

http://photos.oregonlive.com/oregonian/2011/01/searching_for_kyron_horman_2.html

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Looks chilly/cold and damp, but no snow visible.

 ::HelloKitty::

If someone talked, they don't seem to have specific info.  It could be from cell phone conversations that they finally found.  Or it could be from videos that they finally found some info.  The area is too broad for someone to have taled, I feel.

But with the coroner, they must have something specific.

A = Dixie Mountain per google maps
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Street view of the above - does that look like a cell tower?

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Sorry folks got in the quote box, this is what I asked.

This tells me they have known this for a while but were unable to look, 6 weeks ago was I did some searching through the names of people arrested. There is one man arrested back in November for sexual abuse who has the same last name as a person on the list released. Just thought I would throw that out there. There is another man arrested for sexual abuse and sodomy back in late december. Am I allowed to post names?

PORTLAND, Ore. – The Multnomah County Sheriff's Office Search & Rescue Unit fought the fog Sunday to search two spots in Portland's West Hills – at the request of the Kyron Horman Task Force.

"I have been waiting for this search to happen for some time now," said Desiree Young, Kyron’s biological mother. "The Kyron Horman Task Force has shared the intelligence information with me, but unfortunately I can’t share that information with the media. I'm excited that today’s search will hopefully bring some closure to this case.”

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http://www.kval.com/news/local/114901319.html

The small ones near the center does to me look like a cell tower. Where is this in relation to rocky point and skyline and sauvie, lol. I have such a bad sense of direction

Desiree, having made that statement, seems to know this isn't going to turn out with a happy ending. It does seem as though the police know approximately where Kyron's remains are, thus the canine units going in before the searchers, and a coroner on standby. This case has been an emotional rollercoaster. Will be interesting to see who is arrested for Kyron's disapperance.

 ::HelloKitty::

It does look like a cell tower for sure.  I think they can tell within feet where a call comes from. 

So maybe they have some calls that indicate something?  Who can know at this point.

MK do you think it is possible that someone has confessed and is in jail?

WOW  ::MonkeyEek::

A month-6 weeks ago= have known for a while as well.

TG- Anything is possible. Like LE's been saying, they are doing specific searches, not picking out areas on the map saying "Let's look here". 7 cadaver canine units and a coroner is extremely telling. (Didn't they have a coroner on scene in ZB's recovery as well?)

Tracygirl - Rocky Point Rd and Dixie Mountain are both due west of Sauvie Island.  Actually not far at all from Sauvie.  Both are north of Skyline Elementary.

Maybe this map will help.

A = Skyline Elementary
B - Sauvie Island Bridge
C = Dixie Mountain

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This is an important detail I think.

Also explains why it's been so quiet from all fronts for such a long time.

Wow, my heart breaks for her but I can't imagine the word excited being used to describe "closure" unless it meant it pointed to my child being alive, but with cadaver dogs and a coroner I just don't see it...I guess as a parent you'd want to continue to think they were alive until you couldn't anymore....I am remembering Juliano's mom on NG Friday night and her reaction to the car being found, she has appropriate reactions IMO, although I couldn't imagine being in a interview while they were pulling the car up, I think I'd be hooked to an IV of valium.

That being said I do hope this search is fruitful and brings some answers, not so sure closure is ever acheived, I think it's more of just knowing your child is in heaven and not scared, hurt, hungry etc and some sense of peace in knowing that vs closure....poor Kyron.

Godspeed lil man ::FlyingFrog:: ::MonkeyTears::

I agree.....what about the name on the list cross and the arrest TG, was it wrt a minor?

Any recent suicides by friends or family from that school list that's been reported?

Thank you Klaas for the map!

i am stuck on something right now. There is a man in custody who was arrested for sexual abuse I, B Felony and sodemy A Felony

Here is an explanation of what that is.
http://www.ehow.com/info_7776789_difference-felony-sexual-abuse-oregon.html

Age
•A Class B felony in Oregon is rape, sodomy, or sexual penetration, with a person under the age of 14. Consent does not apply to victims under 14. A Class A felony has two separate age brackets for rape and sodomy. If a person is under the age of 12, both rape and sodomy are Class A offenses. Sexual penetration is a Class A felony only if the victim is under 12 years old.

There has been a theory that Kyron was taken/sold/given to someone would this mans crime fit that?

http://www.katu.com/news/114899784.html

Recent suicides like in 6 weeks or more, and it doesn't have to be off that school list. Anyone mentioned in this case? I also wonder if RS's alleged wife and kids have been located to date.

Not that I know of or heard of. I had thought of perhaps they are looking for a person associated with the case and not Kyron himself?

Thanks for that explanation, so it was wrt a minor (sorry POS scum W%%^^&@#$#^^$&$#^ ::MonkeyMad:: )

No clue about what else would fit that crime, but I thought I read over on BOC that Kaine had been at a sex trafficking conference in Portland......so that theory as horrific and vile as it is does get tossed aroung in my head a bit. I pray that is a far fetched theory but know it does happen and far too often, hell is too good for anyone that would sell a child into this or be involved in any way in trafficking a child.

According to the news - it could be "persons" - see below - "those involved"

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/01/search_for_kyron_horman_resume.html
"We'll be looking for all those things that are Kyron associated," he said, adding that the searchers will also be looking for anything that might have been left by those involved with Kyron's disappearance.

Those = implied more than one person

Sorry for the OT but I have wanted to ask for weeks now, what is wrt?

http://thetruthwillsaveyoursoul-truthteller.blogspot.com/

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_1EFCaar9-AQ/TUXd_lDpxII/AAAAAAAAAeE/Ytpc8Ze-p7A/s1600/Kyron_Horman_062510_032_2_540x405little+guy.jpg)

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/01/30/search-resumes-missing-oregon-boy-kyron-horman/
Search Resumes For Missing Oregon Boy Kyron Horman
January 30, 2011


The search for missing Oregon boy Kyron Horman resumed Sunday when investigators began searching two rural Portland roads, Fox12Oregon.com reports.
(snip)
At least 40 rescue workers and a handful of search dogs are taking part in the effort, Multnomah County sheriff's spokeswoman Mary Lindstrand told the station.

Lindstrand reportedly said that the search comes after authorities received new information in their investigation. She also said the warmer weather now makes it possible to search those areas with dogs.
(snip)
Search teams scoured the areas between his home and school for days after his disappearance. They've also made numerous trips to Sauvie Island to search the murky waters.
(snip)
Deputies have never revealed whether any clues have been found. They also have never formally named a suspect in the criminal investigation. Kyron's biological parents, Kaine Horman and Desiree Young, insist stepmother Terri Horman is somehow involved in their son's disappearance.
(snip)

With Regard To (I believe)

My guess is they are looking for a possible crime scene and then a dumping area of evidence. I am really thinking this is not just coming from a random tip but someone is talking.

with regards to ::MonkeyTongue:: Sorry, I tend to find an abbreviation for everything lately

with regard to

Ok that makes sense. I was at a loss, Thanks!

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Desiree's quote is interesting. I know she is in hell but would she really say she would be excited for searches to look for her son's body? I think the word "excited"  makes me wonder if it is Kyron they are looking for.

When was the last time a search was done on Sauvie Island ?
At the beginnng IIRC she said she was never on Sauvie. Are they now looking at places where she could have been where a cell could have "pinged" near that specific Sauvie Tower because of elevation ? They have her other pings from that day.

If it was from anyone talking I think it would be in a smaller more spefific area.
...
Hard to know what to pray for here. 

 ::HelloKitty::

If Desiree is excited, that is a strange remark. I hope that means that they are looking for someone else who was involved.

A suicide makes sense, doesn't it?

 ::HelloKitty::

Has anyone heard about any missing people that they are looking for?  Like about 6 or more weeks ago?

Does it snow in that area? It is always cold and wet in Oregon, what weather conditions were they looking for to be able to search?

A suicide does make sense. hmmm anyone know a free sight you can search for recent deaths? Everything I am finding you have to pay

There is the one woman and 2 children who are missing.

Search for Kyron Horman resumes today north and west of Portland
Published: Sunday, January 30, 2011, 5:00 AM
Updated: Sunday, January 30, 2011, 9:08 AM

<snipped>

"There're very specific reasons why we're here," said Multnomah County deputy sheriff Mark Herron, a search and rescue coordinator on the task force.

"We'll be looking for all those things that are Kyron associated," he said, adding that the searchers will also be looking for anything that might have been left by those involved with Kyron's disappearance.

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/01/search_for_kyron_horman_resume.html

That was the first thing that jumped out to me as soon as I read the article and first thing I posted, but I wonder if she meant excited as in anxious......that would make more sense to me

interesting article about one of the dogs at the search..

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/01/cadaver_dogs_join_sundays_sear.html

Janet,

The word "those" stuck out to me, too.  I know it's wishful thinking on my part, but since LE (so far) hasn't obtained enough evidence on Terri to arrest her, and putting that together with Blink saying it's positive that Kyron didn't leave the school with Terri, then it means someone else is involved and, hopefully, that person is talking and LE will be able to link back to Terri that way.

I didn't realize this article had been recently updated...........grrr, I wish the reporting in all cases was better and sources were triple checked, also what is a WEB UPDATE???



WEB UPDATE: A previous report that the search team also includes a member of the Multnomah County coroner's office, an unusual addition, has so far been unconfirmed.


http://www.katu.com/news/local/114899784.html

http://www.kgw.com/news/kyronsearchresumes-114897304.html

((snipped))

At least 40 rescuers and several search dogs were a part of the effort. K9 units were provided by four search organizations.

Search coordinator Deputy Eric Gustafson of the sheriff's office said all the dogs used Sunday were trained to find human remains. The crews were looking at a six-acre area of steep slopes and heavily-wooded second-growth timber.

He did not know if the search would be completed Sunday. The search had been planned for months, but poor weather conditions forced a wait until this weekend, he said.

((snipped))

I agree.

Considering there has been no bodies recovered ...  I do not believe there would be a death announcement.  Maybe six weeks ago there was a suicide not found.  Has a Terri, DeDe or a certain DeDe connection been heard from lately?

Desiree said "closure".  Somehow ... I believe this search may be "Terri" connected.

Janet

++++++


Search for Kyron Horman resumes today north and west of Portland
Published: Sunday, January 30, 2011, 5:00 AM
Updated: Sunday, January 30, 2011, 9:08 AM

<snipped>

The private timber land crosses into unincorporated areas of Multnomah, Washington and Columbia counties, and reaches elevations of between 1,000 and 1,500 feet.

"Weather conditions prevented the searching of these two locations a month or six weeks ago because of the snow up there, and dogs are not effective when it's below 40 degrees," said Multnomah County Sheriff's Sgt. Keith Krafve, a supervisor of the Kyron Horman Task Force.

"There're very specific reasons why we're here," said Multnomah County deputy sheriff Mark Herron, a search and rescue coordinator on the task force.

"We'll be looking for all those things that are Kyron associated," he said, adding that the searchers will also be looking for anything that might have been left by those involved with Kyron's disappearance.

<snipped>
 
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/01/search_for_kyron_horman_resume.html


Kyron task force calls for West Hills search
Story Published: Jan 30, 2011 at 12:38 PM PST

<snipped>
 
PORTLAND, Ore. – The Multnomah County Sheriff's Office Search & Rescue Unit fought the fog Sunday to search two spots in Portland's West Hills – at the request of the Kyron Horman Task Force.

"I have been waiting for this search to happen for some time now," said Desiree Young, Kyron’s biological mother. "The Kyron Horman Task Force has shared the intelligence information with me, but unfortunately I can’t share that information with the media. I'm excited that today’s search will hopefully bring some closure to this case.”

Between 40 and 50 search-and-rescue workers, along with up to seven cadaver-detecting dogs, will be combing the dense forested area around turnouts, trail heads and gated logging roads along a stretch of Northwest Skyline Road. The search team also includes a member of the Multnomah County coroner's office, an unusual addition to the search.

<snipped>
 
http://www.kval.com/news/local/114901319.html

Question: Would this particular area of today's searchn possibly ping off a SI tower?

self-edit - my last post

suicide not found s/b suicide note found

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/01/cadaver_dogs_join_sundays_sear.html
snipped:
Search and rescue teams started on Sunday morning to comb 10 areas, some of which are as large as six acres, north and west of Portland in search of the missing boy. The last time such a search took place was in November on Sauvie Island.

Investigators told The Oregonian that specific intelligence led them to the areas they are searching, and that warmer weather also provided an opportunity to comb the area. Multnomah County Sheriff's deputy Eric Gustafson said officials had planned to search the area a few months ago, but this is the first time they have been able to do so because of the weather.

10 areas? A few months ago? Didn't hear it was 2 area's and a month or 6 weeks ago?

IIRC there are no cell towers on Sauvie Island. The Scapoose tower is the one that pings north of Skyline and would ping if one were on Sauvie. Dixie Mountain road is in the Scapoose area. I'll look for a cell tower map and post the link when I find it.

Kyron Horman investigation: Transcript of interview with Sheriff Dan Staton
Published: Friday, July 02, 2010, 4:03 PM
Updated: Saturday, July 03, 2010, 12:03 AM

<snipped>

Jung: "There are a couple of other things that we had heard. One: Sauvie Island, that there were cell phone pings from Terri Horman's cell phone that pinpointed her on being Sauvie Island the day of Kyron's disappearance. Can you talk about that at all?"

Staton: "That portion of the investigation I can't talk about. I'm sorry."

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_horman_investigation_tra.html

Tracygirl - I think we can chock it up to either bad reporting of mistype or misspeak.  I don't believe there would have been snow in that area months ago, more like weeks ago.

I suppose we have to wait and see what they find to know why they are there? I think we can all guess until the cows come home. I am not sure if they are looking for Kyron, but I think it is evidence left behind. I think they are looking for a crime scene, but who knows.

This case is heartbreaking. I pray that Terri didn't do this. The thought of Kyron looking into the eyes of a woman who he needed to rely on to care for him just breaks my heart. He is/was just a kid, who like all kids, wanted to be loved. 

Yea I bet your right. The video shows LE stating a month to 6 weeks ago, I suppose he would know.

This search obviously seems to be based on very specific intelligence so the snippet below confuses me a bit, why wait until next weekend (maybe) and not continue to search tomorrow if it's a hot tip, and by all accounts it looks like it is.....am I the only one who thinks this is confusing ::MonkeyEek:: I guess if I were in Kyron's parents shoes I'd want this area thoroughly searched until there was nothing left to find, I wouldn't be happy with the comment I bolded below......."might come back next weekend" and " teams will NOT return tomorrow"

"None of the searching we do is random," Gustafson said, adding that he could not comment on specifics. "We don't throw darts at a board and say, 'Let's search here.' We don't say, 'We haven't searched in a while, let's go search.' "

Gustafson said he is unsure whether searchers will complete every task they had planned for today, and that while teams will not return tomorrow, they might come back next weekend. That depends on if they can get everything done before dark, which Gustafson said he is not optimistic about.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/01/multnomah_county_sheriffs_offi_2.html

http://www.cellreception.com/search.php?zip=97056&page=2

AT&T and Verizon have towers in Scappoose which is the closest tower to Sauvie. No cell phone providers have towers directly on Sauvie Island.

The story appears to have changed in regards to timing.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

++++++

Search for Kyron Horman resumes today north and west of Portland
Published: Sunday, January 30, 2011, 5:00 AM
Updated: Sunday, January 30, 2011, 9:08 AM

<snipped>

The private timber land crosses into unincorporated areas of Multnomah, Washington and Columbia counties, and reaches elevations of between 1,000 and 1,500 feet.

"Weather conditions prevented the searching of these two locations a month or six weeks ago because of the snow up there, and dogs are not effective when it's below 40 degrees," said Multnomah County Sheriff's Sgt. Keith Krafve, a supervisor of the Kyron Horman Task Force.

"There're very specific reasons why we're here," said Multnomah County deputy sheriff Mark Herron, a search and rescue coordinator on the task force.

"We'll be looking for all those things that are Kyron associated," he said, adding that the searchers will also be looking for anything that might have been left by those involved with Kyron's disappearance.

<snipped>
 
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/01/search_for_kyron_horman_resume.html

One thing the Deputy had said was the evidence is there and they know it isn't going anywhere or something to that effect so that got me thinking what in the heck did that mean? Does that mean it is under ground? Are there bunkers in that area? Bunkers had been discussed wayyy in the beginning of this case.

Is the search effort today in the area of Cornelius Pass?

Janet

+++++++

Jim Kelley

Day 3: FBI calls in criminal profiler in search for missing Skyline boy; interviews with students and parents begin
Published: Sunday, June 06, 2010, 2:14 PM
Updated: Friday, June 18, 2010, 5:01 PM

<snipped>

1:29 p.m. -- Neighbors stop by Brooks Hill Historic church, across the street from the school, to mull over the investigation. "This kind of thing is unheard of," says Jim Kelley, 50.

Kelley, who lives about a mile and a half down hill, at the end of a winding, secluded country lane off Cornelius Pass, said police, federal agents, K-9 teams and helicopters scoured the area Saturday.

"We had two odd sightings of a vehicle on our road Friday," Kelley said. Around 3 p.m, he and a neighbor reported seeing a white pick-up truck with a female driver pull to the end of the long road, idle and then turn around. Then again at 2 a.m. Saturday morning, a similar white pickup truck appeared, idled and when a neighbor loosed her dogs, eased away.

"A, it was strange to have a car there, any car there, that we didn't know, and B, it was strange to have a vehicle come down our dead-end road twice in the same day, hours after a little boy goes missing," said Kelley. "That's beyond rare."

Kelley said authorities have twice searched the deep ravine, creek and railroad tracks located near the end of his street by air and on foot.

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/day_three_search_continues_hun

i doubt they are looking for a sucide victim, unfortunately it seems clear they are looking for kyron's body

That is what I thought but then I read Desiree saying she is excited about the search..I am not sure if the word excited would fit, kwim? As with everything in this case, there is nothing clear. Everything has several, if not more, explanations.

IM it is confusing but I would guess he is saying it is supposed to be done today, he doubts that though and if it not done they are not coming back tomorrow, (I am guessing because they thought it would be done today) and may come back next week. (because it will take that much time to plan a 2nd search..I don't know, that is my guess.

I wonder, since we can't hear her voice when she said "excited", maybe it was just a poor choice of words. 

Part of me hopes that they (LE) are trying to draw one or more of the perpetrators back to the search area to retrieve potentially incriminating evidence. (I know too "made for TV" to be the real reason).

I thought the same thing.

I was confused with this suicide victim scenario. If so, I was thinking that perhaps a note was left with a suicide victim in his/her home, not that they would be looking for one out in the woods. I also believe they have to be looking for Kyron's body.

I suppose that is possible.
I really believe they are looking for something specific that brings answers, it could be Kyron or it could be something that links someone to his disappearance. I can't wait for the day the case isn't spoken about in riddles. I am finding that frustrating.

Perhaps Desiree knows, and has known for some time after being told by LE that Kyron  is gone from this life and they've just been waiting for the weather conditions to improve so his remains may be recovered.  I would think it would be excruitating beyond belief to have to leave each day with that knowledge plus it seems Desiree has a good idea who had a hand in his disappearance and they've been out free all this time.  Maybe she's ready for her boy to be brought home and for some justice.  jmho

I think the suicide scenario comes from the fact that some times when people commit a major crime they try to kill themselves. I know some people that have been researching this case has been trying to track down the suicides in the greater portland area. Of course it could have been from someone attempting suicide too.
Ugh, norose I feel like "here we go again". It should be getting dark there within the next hour or so, it is 4:19 on the west coast.  I hope we hear something

It seems like that day is approaching.  Although, I thought that once before, when it sounded like they were making progress.  This time I think there is more action to back it up.

That is certainly possible MB. If, God for bid it was my boy who was out there, and I had to wait months for him to be found, and I knew the search was finally happening near an area he it thought to be, perhaps "exciting" would fit my feelings as well.

If he is there, I pray he is finally found.

Me, too.

I didn't realize people were tracking down suicides in the Portland area. That is why I thought if this could be a note was left, also sometimes a person just can't live with the guilt anymore and confesses. That is how I feel also, here we go again, but it certainly feels like they sure must have some good idea about the area.

Yea I think I am trying to be cautiously optimistic that answers are going to come in.

What was happening in this case about 6 weeks ago? It would have been in about mid to late December.

I don't remember anything being released about the case; however, the weather in the PNW has been really screwed up since Thanksgiving. We had more snow than usual and then a long cold snap. After it warmed up we had alot of problems with flooding and water run-off. Then we had high winds and rain...

Perhaps the delay has more to do with the necessary conditions for the cadaver dogs (above 45 degrees, not currently raining etc)

I took it to mean was there a recent suicide - approximately 6 weeks ago - one that would have left information wrt Kyron that may have lead LE to the place to search.  Not that today's search is for a suicide victim. 

I'll answer my own question. One thing is the list of names came out in mid December, right?

The list was made public, but that wouldn't have been new info for LE. Are you saying that someone provided info based on the release of the list or that something happened because of the public release of the list? Use little words and short sentences, because I am not very bright today!  ::MonkeyCool::

Very good.  Yes, they wanted to know if there were any names left off as well as any names that didn't belong on the list.  I find the latter interesting...

In early December LE said this....snipped from an article
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/12/multnomah_county_sheriff_dan_s_2.html

"The scope is narrowing. My belief is we should be relatively close to something by then; that's why I set the time frame I did," Staton said. "While we may not be at an arrest or an indictment phase, we're going to have it narrowed down to a point where we may be calling out a suspect, identifying certain people or things."

Well something lead to them wanting to search the area 6 weeks ago. I am just trying to figure out what we know was happening in the case in that time leading up to that

On December 21st Desiree made a statement on a local news station that Terri will be arrested.
http://www.localnewscomesfirst.com/index.php?option=com_seyret&Itemid=431&task=videodirectlink&id=6971

Extremely confusing since he said he was doubtful or not optimistic they would be done today, but if I were Kaine or Desiree and knew this were areas they had planned to search on specidic information for 6 weeks, I'd be pizzed and a crazed mommy knowing that they weren't going back tomorrow since they had ample time to plan for more than a 2 day search, and also the stmt that it wasn't a given they would return next week?? Unless it's weather related I'd be searching myself or camped out on LE's desk demanding they go back. I can't even begin to imagine the frustration they are living thru and this would just make me go ballistic. Par for the course in this case since everything is so d@mn frustrating!

Thanks for your input though ::HelloKitty::

End of December Terri withdrew for a 2nd time her request to see Kiara.

http://www.kval.com/news/local/112506339.html?

There was a lot going on in December.

I agree, makes me wonder if they were able to pinpoint a name, get some information and had to wait until conditions were better for a search

Yes, Desiree did and she said that with a conviction in her voice.

I wish I had a link, but I read that there were specific conditions that were best for searching.  It said two days after it rained, when it was sunny and the temp was between 65-80 or something like that!  Sounds crazy, huh?  But it is amazing that dogs are able to find scents so long afterwards, so I can't blame them for having certain ideal conditions like that.

Puzzler the interview that Stanton did in the beginning of December is the one you have talked about alot. Is that that interview he talks about losing valuable time? I cannot find a working video of that interview, does anyone have that?

TG - it's not a video - it's an article.  Here's the link:

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/12/multnomah_county_sheriff_dan_s_2.html

Thanks I found that a bit ago in the archives. I can't get it to come up for me! Ugh I am getting frustrated! That is why I asked for a video in hopes I can get it to upload for me.

Would you or anyone who can pull it up, would you mind posting the quotes he gave in that interview?

according to the twitter page of anna canzano of  KATU, the searches today were based off of "location specific information" and that nothing was found...also, it says the coroners office was not involved at all today

http://twitter.com/annacanzanokatu

I read that too, but I thought it was far cooler than 80.....this is the weather for today and the next 4-5 days so that was why I questioned that issue, unless the wind has picked up drastically
 
48°F | °C
Current: Mostly Cloudy
Wind: NW at 4 mph
Humidity: 85%Sun

50°F | 41°FMon

50°F | 36°FTue

47°F | 32°FWed

49°F | 35°F

Here's the quote I believe you're looking for (and I sent you nanners):

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/12/multnomah_county_sheriff_dan_s_2.html

(snip)  "Investigators interviewed about 300 students, their parents, and all faculty and staff, and determined that Kyron was not seen at the school after 8:45 a.m., but the school never called anyone to report his absence.

"That six-hour window -- a lot was lost," Staton said. "That's still frustrating to me because I think that's one of the things that really hurt. That six hours ... I wish we could regain those six hours."  (snip)

I do think it's amazing the dogs can find a scent that old, but I think the temps you mentioned are in CA, not Portland......and I found the blurb about the dogs doing better when the temps are above 40, so that is why I am confused as usual:

Weather conditions prevented the searching of these two locations a month or six weeks ago because of the snow up there, and dogs are not effective when it's below 40 degrees," said Multnomah County Sheriff's Sgt. Keith Krafve, a supervisor of the Kyron Horman Task Force.



http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/01/search_for_kyron_horman_resume.html

Glad to see some action on this case again.   ::MonkeyDance::  Hopefully, something will pay off this time.

OK~I see what you are saying, the ideal conditions to search are 65-80 degrees and 2 days after a rain.....I thought I was crazy as I knew it wasn't that warm there, it's barely that warm here. My bad for misinterpreting your post. I do remember now they said today was a 6 out of 10 for optimal conditions. I am just sooooo frustrated, but I did read that they expect to continue searches on and off thru out February.

 ::HelloKitty::

Lindstrand and Gustafson would not comment on the specifics of why searchers were returning to this specific location, but sources have said that recent search efforts have been based on further analysis of cell phone records.

http://www.nwcn.com/home/?fId=114897304&fPath=/news/local&fDomain=10202

I just came in after having some family time to read all of this. It surely is breaking my heart because I feel the outcome will not be what I prayed for.

My heart is just breaking for Desiree and Kaine.  ::MonkeyTears:: Part of me feels so lost.

One other thing. If Kyron is found there, or any where, I pray to God that those people involved, suffer the cruelest punishment possible.

You Monkeys know how I've never given up on the hope that he was alive somewhere, but now I feel otherwise.

I felt this was coming but I didn't want to face it. What an emotional case. These poor children. WTH is wrong with this world?

Glad to see you again, flutter1! ( O/T: Left you a post here: http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4314.msg1283580#msg1283580 )

I am also pleased something is happening in this case that we can see.

Am I right, that they suspended the search for today, and will search further next weekend?

http://www.katu.com/news/local/114899784.html

((snipped))

UPDATE 5:52 p.m. 1/30/11: We have just received word that as of now the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office is suspending its renewed search in the Skyline area.

"The searches have concluded for the day," reads a prepared statement from the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office. "There were 11 areas designated to be searched by canine teams; seven of these areas were searched. There were also three other areas designated to be searched by ground crews; one of these areas was completed."

The sheriff's office reports it has yet to determine the date for the completion of this renewed search.

Renewed Kyron search turns up nothing 'significant'


http://www.katu.com/home/video/114909484.html

http://www.kgw.com/

Video on left says to expect searches like today to continue through next month.

Also mentions a 4 month business plan created in October.

Wow, a lot has transpired today. I am praying that Kyron is found. Since the news does not appear to be good with regards to Kyron being found alive, I will say that my psychic friend said that he was disposed of 3 days after he was taken. Again, I take all of this psychic stuff with a grain of salt. My friend also stated that he will be found in the woods near a lake? She also said that the second person is a hillbilly type. She says that Kyron was taken for ransom and it all went terribly wrong. Again, this is just one pychic persons opinion. For all we know, he could still be alive.

Does anyone know how the Hormans heat the home?

I'm wondering who would be familiar with this specific area- any guesses? Loggers, people who sold firewood?

Okay…I was hopeful earlier today when I heard of these searches and how confident the deputy sheriff sounded.  For the past couple of hours, though, I’ve been mulling things over.
Today there was a search with cadaver dogs for all things Kyron and we were told LE’s been planning this search for about 6 weeks, just waiting on the weather to clear up.  So, LE has planned this search with cadaver dogs for quite a while. 
Just a few days ago, we were so happy to hear that Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office and Washington State Patrol have teamed up to get Kyron Horman’s face on trucks that run nationwide.
http://www.koinlocal6.com/mostpopular/story/Image-of-Kyron-displayed-on-trucks-that-travel/Dpr3fi__Q0C_amLgCbUELg.cspx

So…what’s going on here?  Multnomah County LE has planned for weeks to search with cadaver dogs and at the same time worked with Washington State Patrol to get Kyron’s face on trucks? 
Just who are the cadaver dogs supposed to be finding? Kyron? Or other people? Or both?

 ::HelloKitty::

That's why I wonder if someone is missing and presumed to have committed suicide.

Is this nursery in any way connected to the landscapers who have been mentioned in the past as possibly being involved? I am not sure if we can use names or initials, so hopefully someone will know what I am attempting  ::MonkeyCool:: to ask.

What nursery?

http://www.trulia.com/homes/Oregon/Portland/sold/767865-15725-Nw-Sheltered-Nook-Rd-Portland-OR-97231

Official property, sales, and tax information from county (public) records as of 11/2009:

    * Single Family Residential
    * 4 Bedrooms
    * 1 Bathroom
    * 1,676 sqft
    * Lot Size: 4.63 acres
    * Built In 1933
    * Stories: 1 story with attic and basement
    * Heating: Heat Pump
    * Exterior Walls: Wood
    * Roof: Composition Shingle
    * Basement: Unfinished Basement
    * Foundation: Concrete
    * Style: Other
    * Fireplace
    * County: Multnomah
    * Tax Rate Code Area: 278

I'm right beside you, Sassifrass.  I tried to hold out hope, against all odds.  I'm losing it now, too.

Appears  in the upper left of the pic possibly a nursery or tree farm?

 ::HelloKitty::

I was thinking about the suicide.  I think that would be more easily found.  I don't think a person would struggle off into the woods to do it or go down a ravine.

To me, where the road curves around from north to east, it passes in front of a nursery of some sort, perhaps a tree farm. 

There's an interesting post over at Blinks about the Sauvie Island man who shot a cop.  Blink kind of alludes to a connection between this man and Kyron's disappearance.  The new searches do come so soon after the shooting.

This also reminds me of Sebastian's psychic friend's vision(?) of a hillbilly type man.  Blink has a picture of David Durham in the post, and he looks (IMO) kind of like a hill billy type.  I have to admit that I don't really buy into psychic stuff, but I do find it interesting.


Please include the link back when you refer to an article or post from another site, including Blinks.  MB
Edit to correct Mr. Durhams first name.

I was thinking back on all of the strange reports that have happened in this case. There was the report of a person being taken in the woods and being shot or something like that, anyone remember that? Does anyone recall where that was supposed to be?

I am not sure what is going on. I would guess they are looking for a body of someone or why use cadaver dogs. Is it Kyron? Is it someone who was killed or committed suicide? I think it is fair to say they are looking for a possible crime scene and possible dumped evidence. 11 different area's that is a lot... I read that and feared something such as what happened to Zahra to be honest with you all, I hope that is not the case. 

Did they find that man yet?

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/Image7.png)

Looks like a possible Christmas tree farm to me.

Klaas does a cool copy and post thing with Blinks post with me you get the title and a link, lol.

Fugitive Cop Shooter David Durham’s House Located In NEW Kyron Horman Search Grid


http://blinkoncrime.com/

If I am thinking of the same thing you are, that man reported hearing the gunshot somewhere really south of Portland, I think maybe around Corvallis or Junction City?  I don't recall it so well. I lean toward JC.

Oh, yeah, his name is David Durham.  I got Anthony from somewhere...  He is still on the run as far as I know.

I agree, it looks like a Christmas tree farm.

Brandi, that's what I thought too.  From street view you can't see much, but the portion closer to the street appears to be more like bushes.  I just found it odd that all the sudden it pops up near a search area. 

I knew she was getting ready to post but she didn't tell me she was done:  ::MonkeyCool::

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/

Yup.

I hear ya!

 ::MonkeyCool::

This guy in Blink's post is also a LANDSCAPER

Well what the heck? I don't remember hitting post, it just posted! Strange.

Thanks Klaas I like your version better.
I just commented on her site that I think many people have been waiting for someone to mess up or another crime to be committed. When this was posted about this man a couple of days ago I found it interesting forsure. Maybe there is some link? I find it particularly interesting that he is a landscaper, was a member of the teachers union and pretty much lost his mind in July. If he is not involved it sure is a coincidence. 

His name is David Anthony Durham and yes, he is still on the run

http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/suspect-who-fled-into-816066.html

Klaas was he a teacher as well? It says he was a member of the teachers union? Now if I hear he is a natural red head, a body builder and is a science teacher I am done!

Could this man be a link? I recall his brother had said he felt paranoid that the police were coming for him, the brother had said it was because of pain killers he was taking for an injury, but was it? How did he injure himself anyway?

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the info on the teachers credit union is from this site

http://www.insiderpages.com/b/3720212933/portland-teachers-credit-union-portland

Snipped from Blinks site,
 Edit to add Link MB  http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/
"Durham’s home on Sauvie Island, is directly adjacent to a highly publicized sighting from a tipster in the Kyron Horman disappearance investigation named “Chas” who claimed to have seen Kyron and a woman with long red hair the morning of his disappearance at approximately 9:15AM on his way to work, in a white truck."

Ahh this guy has long hair? It does look sort of red...just saying.

Could they be looking for this man in the woods? Is that the reason for the cadaver dogs?

IMO they are looking for Kyron with the cadaver dogs.  They believe this Durham guy has gone to the pacific coast of Oregon.  

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/01/kyron_horman_search_starts_wit.html

Kyron Horman search starts with optimism, ends in frustration
Published: Sunday, January 30, 2011, 8:24 PM     Updated: Sunday, January 30, 2011, 8:53 PM

((snipped))

By 4 p.m. Sunday, searchers had called it quits for the day. They debriefed with the search coordinators before leaving soggy and cold -- and without new clues about Kyron's location.

Gustafson said at this point, search efforts are not time-sensitive. But the desire for closure isn't going away.

"We want to solve this case," he said.

((snipped))

Klaas one thing is forsure, they were looking for someone's body today and it is connected.

I just read that!  Curiouser and curiouser, unless they are calling every Tom, Dick and Harry who ever worked for a lawn  maintenance company landscapers .  IF all these people are true landscaper then chances of them having at least a passing acquaintance with each other are tremendous.

My head is spinning and I feel like I can't put two words together. When I first heard of the man on the run I thought of Kyron, I think this is something. Or I hope so at least.

BUMPED

So many good points being made on Blinks site worth reading. Many are saying his paranoia could have been due to the Feb 1st date nearing and the guilt of the crime was what was driving him crazy. LE could have been watching him for all we know. Then the connection between Chas's tip and where this man once lived. This is either connected or the biggest coincidence ever.

TG  I think I found what you were referring to, a witness who said he had seen the truck, heard a gunshot and saw someone come out of the woods with a shovel.  His name is DeWitt and it was near Junction City, OR, which is close to Eugene, if you are familiar with Oregon.  Sorry I don't have a good link.  I think this witness was generally dismissed.

taken from blinks site.

Here is one link from months ago concerning “Chas” and what he he saw and reported to LE back on June 4th.
http://www.koinlocal6.com/mostpopular/story/Terri-wants-money-to-move-out-Kyron-Horman/Dz4uMChK60KCWjy3W5FG4Q.cspx?p=10

(snip from link above)
“Also Sunday, a man who asked not to be shown on camera, expressed his frustration about the Kyron Horman tipline.

“Chas” said he has called the tip line twice, but hadn’t heard back. He was concerned other people’s tips, like his, were not checked on.

Chas said he saw Terri Horman the day Kyron mysteriously vanished.

“I was on my way to work, driving down Highway 30,” said “Chas.”

It was Friday, June 4th, sometime between 9:15 and 9:45 in the morning. “Chas” was heading south on Highway 30, on his way to work when a white truck pulled out onto the road.

“It came out of one of these side streets, I am not exactly positive which one, but I am pretty much sure that it was north of Logie Trail road.”

Logie Trail Road is right across from Sauvie Island. One of the areas investigators have searched several times.

“I recognize that truck because I have a friend that has a similar truck and I thought it was him.”

But when “Chas” pulled up next to this truck, he saw that it wasn’t his friend, it was a red-haired woman, he didn’t recognize.

He later realized that “red-haired” woman was Terri Horman.”

Thank you yes that is it.

Goodnight, all.  I pray tomorrow we will have some news. 

Blink responded to my question, it is his current residence..

Crazy posting by Tracygirl again, sorry folks.

So is it possible this man could be who took Kyron out of the school and Terri went to get Kyron from him and was seen by this Chas person? It doesn't mean he hurt Kyron or anything he could be the person who helped Terri get him out of the school.

I am off for the night. My head is spinning and my thoughts are all jumbled at the moment and I have a headache. I am sort of feeling like I did when John Gardner was arrested for Chelsea Kings murder. It was coming together and making sense. Could this be the one thing that finally gives answers? I sure hope so

I get it now, sorry I don't know Oregon at all! He had shot the patrol officer in Lincoln which is near the ocean and north of Waldport where they found the dog. I see. I was thinking he was around the Portland area when he shot the police officer. So no, they would not be searching for him in todays search. He lives in Sauvie though according to Blink.  
Ok now going to bed. Good night everyone

IIRC,wasnt there a marina near rocky point, when i look it up i get
a old RP road and lower RP road, but not that close to skyline
maybe 2 seperate search areas,maybe a local knows
map
http://tinyurl.com/65uvtvc

logie and rocky point bike route
http://www.mapmyride.com/ride/united-states/or/portland/227481783
http://pdxcyclingonline.com/logie-trailrocky-point-loop-0011/
http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/NW-Portland-to-Rocky-Point

Did Durham have a child in Skyline?  What job was he holding on the exact day Ky went missing?  Did it place him near the school if so?

 From the article:Michael Durham says his brother lost touch with reality several months ago after taking pain medication for an injured shoulder.  ::MonkeyEek:: He may have had some trouble with the pain meds, but I have never heard of anyone losing touch with reality like this. So it makes me wonder what else was he all on?

Just saw his picture - this guy has really long hair for a guy - and it does sort of look reddish in the picture.  

He does appear to have reddish hair, and I suppose if you drove by him and didn't get a real good look he could appear from a distance with the long hair to be a woman.

If Durham was a landscaper, I wonder how he obtained clients? Did he advertise on Craigslist? Didn't we hear way back that Terri found a landscaper on Craigslist? I have wondered after all of this time why Desiree and Kaine have not come out more in the media. I am starting to feel like they have known some things for a longer time than we would have imagined. I think that LE are just tying up loose ends now. At least I hope so. No parent wants their child found deceased, but I can tell you by my friendship with Amber Dubois mom that closure really does start when they get their babies home. It is such a relief to know that they are not out there possibly suffering. While the child is missing, they cannot focus on anything but bringing that child home. Once the child is home and the parents are able to give them a proper burial that is a very big start in the process. Carrie, Amber's mom has been able to throw herself into helping others and is planning a fundraiser for Team Amber Rescue. She also works with missing runaways etc. All of these cases are so senseless and tragic and I hope that Terri pays the highest price. Gardner is in the same prison with Charles Manson from what I have heard. He gets to look over his shoulders for the rest of his miserable life.

That is what I have been wondering, along with, did the police find something in his home that has to do with Kyron?

So you think they found something months ago that had to do with Kyron and they couldn't search until now and coincidentally, he shot an officer and took off?  Personally, I don't think that is likely.

No, I personally don't understand how this guy who shot an officer even connects with this case, wish someone would explain this better.

after reading blinks article, i have to say that i definitely think it's possible this guy could be involved, or at least definitely needs to be looked at further...

-his property connects to the search sites
-he sustained an injury in june of 2010 (could he have sustained an injury from doing something to kyron?)
-his mental state has been deteriorating since june
-eyewitness reports that kyron was in the area of his home on the day he went missing
-he is a landscaper
-he shot a police officer, which to me, could mean that he is desperate and maybe was paranoid that they were pulling him over to arrest him for kyron's disappearance so in a final act of desperation because in his mind he has nothing left to lose, shot the officer..


i could be way off, just wanted to post what i was thinking..this case is so heartbreaking  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Do we know of this man, Durham, drives or has access to a white truck?

http://www.registerguard.com/csp/cms/sites/web/updates/25836569-55/durham-palmer-waldport-wanted-police.csp

This article states that Durham designs his own camaflouge clothing?

 I was going to ask the same question! Hmmmmmmmmmm.. I checked his picture out.. his hair does look reddish. Could it have been him that was seen by this Chas person and perhaps not terri? <not that I am sticking up for her>  Just seems odd all of a sudden. IMO

The timing is very interesting.  If he hurt his shoulder 6 months ago...is he STILL on meds for the shoulder?

Sounds like something happened to trigger his paranoia.

http://www.kptv.com/news/26615319/detail.html

This article states that Durham has worked for Williamette Print & Bluepring for the past 18 years.

Just thinking out loud:

If you lost your job 6 months ago over "erratic behavior" - wouldn't you look at getting the doctor to give you a different kind of pain pill for your shoulder?

If your family members saw you loosing touch with reality and they presumed it was over meds taken for pain for a shoulder, wouldn't you try to get your brother to obtain a different medicine?

Somehow, I don't think its just the medicine. 

I think Durham has previous mental problems, OR something happened to trigger mental problems (then...the meds could have exasperated the issue).

I don't think its the meds either.

According to white pages, Durham used to live in Rhododendron Oregon. It is an hour away from Portland. I wonder if he could be holed up there somewhere?

Link?  TY.  MB

I totally agree with you, this man didn't all of a sudden lose touch from taking pain pills, just don't believe that. Previous mental issues and something to trigger a bigger lose of reality seems more likely. Or even some other pills he was taking could have added to this. Besides the location of his home, what else is connecting him to this case? I don't see how shooting at an officer could even be remotely connected to this case, unless something was found to connect it?

something else that could connect him to the case, quoted directly from blinks site:

"Durham’s home on Sauvie Island, is directly adjacent to a highly publicized sighting from a tipster in the Kyron Horman disappearance investigation named “Chas” who claimed to have seen Kyron and a woman with long red hair the morning of his disappearance at approximately 9:15AM on his way to work, in a white truck."

www.blinkoncrime.com

No Rose - my take on this is that where Durham lives is the area where the guy "Chas" says he saw a woman with red hair pulling out of a side road in a white truck (I believe the person was driving erratic or not looking and pulled out in front of Chas - someone please correct me, if my memory's wrong).  Anyway, Durham has long, reddish hair, he's male but not in a macho way and if someone pulled out in front of you and you got a glimpse of someone with long flowing reddish hair, it would be easy to assume it was a woman.

The "timing" of his paranoia beginning and increasing as the February 1 date approached is intriquing, as well.

This may not have anything to do with Kyron, but it certainly needs to be checked out IMO.  "WHY" was this guy paranoid that police were after him?

David Durham was let go as a volunteer firefighter about six months ago.  He has been employed with Willamette Print and Blueprint for about 18 years.

Janet

+++++

Willamette Print and Blueprint

Accused Gunman's Family Stunned By Allegations
David Durham Wanted In Connection To Police Shooting
POSTED: 4:43 pm PST January 25, 2011
UPDATED: 11:45 pm PST January 25, 2011

<snipped>

Managers at Willamette Print and Blueprint, where he worked for most of the past 18 years, described him as peaceful, but said that demeanor changed about two weeks ago, possibly in reaction to a painful shoulder injury.

David Durham did not show up for work Friday.

<snipped>

http://www.kptv.com/news/26615319/detail.html


Volunteer Firefighter

Thursday, January 27, 2011
Suspect who fled into Ore. woods avid outdoorsman

<snipped>

Durham's acquaintances knew him as a friendly neighbor on rural Sauvie Island in Portland and avid landscaper who was also a volunteer firefighter. His landlady, Kristi Fazio, told The Associated Press that Durham was always wearing camouflage fatigues when he showed up at her door to pay the rent.

But six months ago, he was moved to "inactive service" within the Sauvie Island Fire District for unspecified emotional problems.  He started slipping deeper into a depression after a breakup, friends said, and entertained paranoid fantasies about being pursued by police.

<snipped>

http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/suspect-who-fled-into-816066.html

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/114483079.html?m=y

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No idea what color it is though.

Thanks Janet. 

(http://media.katu.com/images/linccitysuspveh24051.jpg)
http://www.katu.com/news/114511039.html

Janet - TY

Wow...shoulder injury happened six months ago, but co-workers noticed a change about 2 weeks ago??

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/police-continue-search-missing-boy-12801790&tab=9482930&section=1206852&playlist=12801344

Kyron's search made the top news and is on aol. I hope there are those that are sweating bullets right now!

Klaas LE could have been looking at him since the beginning of all of this for all we know.
Terri could have been the person in the truck, perhaps he was helping her by either taking Kyron out of the school or helping her hid him.
If you think about it, he's displaying alot of the characteristics of a person LE usually says to look out for. A person with an injury, who is acting paranoid, who has a change in personality etc...Could be connected or not, but I think it is something to consider.

Hear! Hear!

We are on the same page.

Maybe I am missing something.  The location of the search for Durham appears to be on the Oregon coast.

Janet

++++++

Thursday, January 27, 2011
Suspect who fled into Ore. woods avid outdoorsman

Durham sped south on Highway 101, with the Pacific Ocean less than 200 yards to his right and the thick beginnings of the Siuslaw National Forest on his left.

Though three cars were in pursuit of Durham, he managed to climb out of the truck and, dressed in full green camouflage, escape into the woods. His dog Huckleberry followed him but apparently became separated from him and was found Wednesday.

Inside the truck, police found weapons. They've refused to say how many or what kind.

http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/suspect-who-fled-into-816066.html

Maybe I am missing something.  The location of the search for Durham appears to be on the Oregon coast.

Janet

++++++

Thursday, January 27, 2011
Suspect who fled into Ore. woods avid outdoorsman

<snipped>

Durham sped south on Highway 101, with the Pacific Ocean less than 200 yards to his right and the thick beginnings of the Siuslaw National Forest on his left.

Though three cars were in pursuit of Durham, he managed to climb out of the truck and, dressed in full green camouflage, escape into the woods. His dog Huckleberry followed him but apparently became separated from him and was found Wednesday.

Inside the truck, police found weapons. They've refused to say how many or what kind.

<snipped>

http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/suspect-who-fled-into-816066.html

Thank-you Puzzler. I do think that if you saw this man drive by you, you could certainly think he was a woman if you didn't get a close look at the person. But Brandi showed a pic of his truck, and it could be white, couldn't really tell the color. Definitely something major happened to this man to have a break with reality like this.

Is there a high percentage of people with red hair in that area? I think this is like the 5th red haired person that has been brought up in the case.

Anyway, I suppose it could have been him in the truck but the witness was pretty sure it was Terri. I don't want to discount his sighting so in using what he says, and considering where he saw the truck, I have to wonder if this is the person that helped Terri either move Kyron or hid him or ???

Let me see if I understand this correctly-DD was let go from the SI fire dept, in a volunteer capacity, due to emotional issues. Yet, the place where he was employed for the last 18 years, full time, on a daily basis (?), just started seeing problems 2 weeks ago?
Where is the former girlfriend?

BBM
Oh yes!  I hope so too, sebastian. 

Janet,

I think Blink's article made us "think". 

This guy is in the news for shooting a policeman - for being paranoid that the police were going to arrest him, he lives on SI, right in the area where "Chas" reported erratic driving of a truck pulling in front of him with a woman driving with long red hair (Durham's hair is long and reddish), his residence is in the basic search area, he was a volunteer fireman and would have knowledge of all those logging trails nearby, the timing of his shoulder injury and becoming paranoid by taking meds (don't buy that one), but something triggered the paranoia into thinking that police were going to arrest him.

You're right, they're looking for him in another part of the state - that's because he's on the run.

This may not have anything to do with Kyron, but there are enough questionable events and timing, that I believe it's something that should be considered.

Janet I was confused by this as well. The shooting happened in a town near the ocean. Supposedly he was at a party for a co worker and left very quickly, actually leaving his girlfriend behind. He was speeding when the officer pulled him over. He shot the officer and ran off into the woods in that area. I have also read he has a vacation home in a town there, I think it is called Waldport or something like that. They found his dog who was with him and took off when the gun fire happened, but have not been able to find him. He has a home on Sauvie Island and has lived there for several years. He worked in Portland as well so his ties are in Portland.

I think you've given a good summary, Puzzler.   ::rhino::

http://www.katu.com/news/local/114935669.html

Kyron searchers comb Dixie Mountain locations

By NIGEL DUARA Associated Press

Story Published: Jan 31, 2011 at 8:24 AM PST

PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) - A new search for an Oregon boy who's been missing for seven months was unsuccessful Sunday, but officials said the investigation into the disappearance of 8-year-old Kyron Horman will continue.

"Time is an element in that we want to get this search resolved as quickly as possible. But this young boy has been missing since June, so in terms of our investigative capabilities time isn't a factor," said Multnomah County sheriff's deputy Eric Gustafson.

((snipped))

Muffy Bee - TY

Ok all of you google fans I need help finding something. I personally think my computer just hates to find old articles, lol because I can never find them.

Wayyy in the beginning there was a person that said he was driving a truck in WA state and he believes he saw Kyron with a man, he said something about they almost got into an accident. Would someone please help me find that?

http://www.kgw.com/news/kyronsearchresumes-114897304.html

Weekend search ends without missing boy Kyron Horman

((snipped))

Volunteer searcher Tony McCray said he has been on the Horman case since last June. He said spirits remain high among the volunteers.

McCray said he always thinks of Kyron and should he someday find the child's remains, McCray said he is confident the sheriff's office will provide the necessary psychological support staff.

Kyron's mother, Desiree Young told KGW she felt encouraged by the Sunday effort.

"We are supporting the police and very hopeful that they are closer to finding Kyron," she said. "We know they will find Kyron. They are acting on some new information that they shared with us. We are confident they are getting closer to bringing him home."

((snipped))

Yep you did!

In other words ... could Durham be one of the links in the chain in regards to those who partcipating in the disappearing of Kyron ... the chain which Terri is the first link.

I think it is very possible when all the clues are taken into consider.

Clues:

1.  Association with the landscaper industry.
2.  Associated with the printing industry.
3.  Drives a white truck.
4.  Location of residence.
5.  Timing of paranoia.
6.  "Chas" sighting.

Janet

I remember that.  I've searched with no results.  But, I do remember what you're talking about.  There was a picture and I always focused on the child, so I don't recall anything about what the adult looked like.  I do think the vehicle was a car and not a truck.

Janet - I'm not sure we've "determined" he drives a white truck all the time.  But, doesn't mean he didn't have access to a white truck.

I found it! There is also a video if anyone is interested. I can't get it to play though.

http://www.kptv.com/news/23824427/detail.html

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POSTED: 5:56 pm PDT June 7, 2010
UPDATED: 7:55 pm PDT June 7, 2010

facebookdel.icio.usbuzzdiggreddit›› Email›› PrintPORTLAND, Ore. -- A truck driver said he saw a child who resembled a missing second-grade boy on Highway 26 on Saturday afternoon.

David Vaughan said he was driving toward Portland when a pickup truck turned in front of him onto Salmon Berry Road in western Washington County. Vaughan said he slammed his brakes to avoid a collision with the gray or black truck.

He said he saw a boy in the front seat who looked like Kyron Horman.

"I saw this young boy looking out the window at me (with) a startled look on his face

Snipped, more at link

  TY for the response Brandi !

It is a white SUV, not a truck.  FWIW

Thanks Puzzler.

I stand corrected.  I thought I read that his truck was white.  I quit my caffeine addiction some time back and ... it takes forever for those morning cobwebs to clear.

Maybe one of our Monkey researcher could find out the details regarding the vehicle registered to David Durham.

Janet

Thanks Klaas.

Janet