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Title: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 - 5/23/11
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 18, 2011, 05:43:39 PM
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Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 07, 2011, 11:12:34 PM
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Missing-Kyron-Horman/125336750831264?ref=ts (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Missing-Kyron-Horman/125336750831264?ref=ts)

Missing Kyron Horman If you'd like to send Valentines to Kyron or his family please mail to:
♥ Valentines for Kyron ♥
P.O. Box 12192
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Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 08, 2011, 01:33:13 AM
I loved all of the pics to end the last thread. I hope and pray before this thread hits 50 pages, Kyron has been found and returned home.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on February 08, 2011, 07:02:03 PM
A post on BOC. Looks like we'll have an update tomorrow afternoon on the sightings.

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-14/#comment-1663053 (http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-14/#comment-1663053)

Madilu says:
February 8, 2011 at 12:02 am

I have to say, I thought this issue was cleared up long ago by a comment on here that I responded to, so I task myself to find it as we speak.

I believe we are talking about 2 different sightings, and If I need to dilineate them in the article, I most certainly will.

B
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I must have missed your comment too. Delineation would be very helpful. Thank you very much.

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Idahogal says:
February 7, 2011 at 4:54 pm
Blink, is this the other sighting you were referring to?
From June 7, 2010

David Vaughan said he was driving toward Portland when a pickup truck turned in front of him onto Salmon Berry Road in western Washington County. Vaughan said he slammed his brakes to avoid a collision with the gray or black truck.
Here is a link with the article and video:

http://www.kptv.com/news/23824427/detail.html

THIS Salmonberry Road* is off of Hwy. 26 in the Tillamook Forest of the Coast Range Mountains. It is not far from the coast, and leads up to the Salmonberry River that was featured in MD痴 video. It is a long drive on dirt roads into the mountains. I知 NOT trying to tie this sighting to MD or DAD, just asking if this is the other sighting that is getting confused with the Chas sighting.

*I state this because there is also a Salmonberry Road in Mt. Hood Village which is East of Portland off of Hwy. 26.
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I believe so if that is the gentleman who believes he heard gunshots and the man disappearing into the woods?
B

There were 3 reported sightings that are being confused, imo:
1) Chas -saw woman in white truck turning onto Hwy 30 north of NW Logie Trail, he later realized was TH
2) David Vaughan -west of PDX (NOT Mt. Hood area) -saw truck and boy resembling Ky
3) Mr. Mark DeWitt -1.5 hrs south of PDX on June 9th truck, car, boy, women carrying shovels, heard a sound like a gunshot coming from the directions of the woods

Madilu, I do believe you are correct. I am on location today, I will try to update the piece, referencing all 3 individually by tomorrow afternoon.

I sincerely appreciate it when a reader takes the time to call me out respectfully, and then when I miss your point, you are kind enough to help me with the information I need to correct it.

Your a class act Madilu. Not one of those classless a-wads that sit around all day talking behind one痴 blog, lol.

Thank you.
B


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on February 08, 2011, 11:47:24 PM
Well, I've taken a few days to just relax and think about Kyron. I've decided I'm not going to pursue the DAD theory. I just don't see a tie. A lot of coincidences yes, but otherwise, I just don't get how he could be tied in. It's Oregon, everyone is a landscaper, and most Oregonians hang out in the forests, are heavily into gardening, or camp by the rivers. It doesn't mean they are associated with Kyron going missing. Anyone could be a suspect if you live in Oregon with those likes and dislikes. This may come back and bite me in the azz, but for now I feel comfortable with moving on.

I've decided to start and look at the LE search locations, and how they relate to people that are associated with that area and the Horman family. I've noticed there are quite a few home businesses up there, just like SI, like Christmas tree businesses, etc.

Yes, I'm being independent right now, but that's because everything else out there is just not making sense to me. I've had the tendency when someone mentions a potential POI, I have to dig until I can't dig anymore. This often leads me to areas that don't make sense to me but I check it out, just in case.

The current search area is also Scappoose area, specifically, the Rocky point and Dixie Mountain. There are ties to there that relate to TH, and that's where I'm heading. Personally, I think the most believable account on June 4th, was Jim Kelley's.

I still feel that there are two scenarios going on. The MFH plot, and the person(s) that made Kyron go poof on that cool damp day, June 4th, 2010 at Skyline School.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Monkey King on February 08, 2011, 11:49:21 PM
For a passerby, Dewitt seems to have a lot of detail which makes me wonder about his sighting.
Also, if he was just driving by, how could he have heard a gun shot if he were driving away from the area? 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on February 08, 2011, 11:55:24 PM
 ::HelloKitty::

That Dewitt sighting was rally taken apart the the monkeys on here and debunked.

If someone is interested and a better researcher than me, maybe those posts could be brought back and examined.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Monkey King on February 09, 2011, 12:00:22 AM
Hellokitty!

I believe it, Dewitt's account seems kinda funky.

Been out of the loop somewhat, but back now. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: monchichi on February 09, 2011, 12:23:47 AM
Well, I've taken a few days to just relax and think about Kyron. I've decided I'm not going to pursue the DAD theory. I just don't see a tie. A lot of coincidences yes, but otherwise, I just don't get how he could be tied in. It's Oregon, everyone is a landscaper, and most Oregonians hang out in the forests, are heavily into gardening, or camp by the rivers. It doesn't mean they are associated with Kyron going missing. Anyone could be a suspect if you live in Oregon with those likes and dislikes. This may come back and bite me in the azz, but for now I feel comfortable with moving on.

I've decided to start and look at the LE search locations, and how they relate to people that are associated with that area and the Horman family. I've noticed there are quite a few home businesses up there, just like SI, like Christmas tree businesses, etc.

Yes, I'm being independent right now, but that's because everything else out there is just not making sense to me. I've had the tendency when someone mentions a potential POI, I have to dig until I can't dig anymore. This often leads me to areas that don't make sense to me but I check it out, just in case.

The current search area is also Scappoose area, specifically, the Rocky point and Dixie Mountain. There are ties to there that relate to TH, and that's where I'm heading. Personally, I think the most believable account on June 4th, was Jim Kelley's.

I still feel that there are two scenarios going on. The MFH plot, and the person(s) that made Kyron go poof on that cool damp day, June 4th, 2010 at Skyline School.



Sassifrass, ITA with you on many points.  Many of the coincidences wrt DAD are things that could apply to many Oregonians.  It seems like everyone is a landscaper these days!  I don't know what to think.  It does seem like DAD is running from something other than the shooting of the officer in Lincoln City.  But that could easily be something separate from Kyron.  I just don't know what to think, so I will keep checking and waiting for more info...

I also agree that Jim Kelley's account seems to fit the latest searches.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on February 09, 2011, 12:52:12 AM
 ::HelloKitty::

Interesting on the Jim Kelley idea.  I really  believe him because he lives on a road where the people would notice something like that.

How do you think this all fits in though?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 09, 2011, 12:57:00 AM
::HelloKitty::

That Dewitt sighting was rally taken apart the the monkeys on here and debunked.

If someone is interested and a better researcher than me, maybe those posts could be brought back and examined.



I wouldn't say it was debunked, I don't feel it was anyway. I think people said it didn't make sense for the same reason that MK just said, couldn't understand how he could see it all. I spent some time going up and down that road on Google maps. That area is open and not closed off by trees. I think if he slowed down he could have caught it all. As for the gun shot, he says he was stopped at that point just a bit away. In an open area like that, I think it is possible to hear a gun shot.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 09, 2011, 01:09:46 AM
::HelloKitty::

Interesting on the Jim Kelley idea.  I really  believe him because he lives on a road where the people would notice something like that.

How do you think this all fits in though?

I actually don't discount any of the supposed witness sightings that have been written about. 



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: klaasend on February 09, 2011, 01:19:17 AM
::HelloKitty::

That Dewitt sighting was rally taken apart the the monkeys on here and debunked.

If someone is interested and a better researcher than me, maybe those posts could be brought back and examined.



http://www.terrihorman.com/2010/08/tipline-ignoring-tips.html

 ::snipping2::

UPDATE: Lt. Mary Lindstrand, spokeswoman for the Multnomah County Sheriff痴 Office, says a detective from an outside agency followed up on the tip 都ome time ago and determined it wasn稚 relevant to the investigation.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 09, 2011, 02:22:05 AM
::HelloKitty::

That Dewitt sighting was rally taken apart the the monkeys on here and debunked.

If someone is interested and a better researcher than me, maybe those posts could be brought back and examined.



http://www.terrihorman.com/2010/08/tipline-ignoring-tips.html

 ::snipping2::

UPDATE: Lt. Mary Lindstrand, spokeswoman for the Multnomah County Sheriff痴 Office, says a detective from an outside agency followed up on the tip 都ome time ago and determined it wasn稚 relevant to the investigation.

 ::snipping2::

Thank you for posting this update. I still say, unless we have LE saying it is a false sighting, as it appears we have here, then we cannot possibly say something didn't happen or it was a false sighting or just discount something because it doesn't fit with what we believe to be true. WE don't have enough information to discount anything.

I wonder though how they determined this tip was not relevant? They don't know where Kyron was or if anyone had him on June 9th so how could they determine it was not Kyron? Did they find who it was? Was it that it didn't fit with what they believed happened, or was it that it was so far away from Portland? Or???


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 09, 2011, 02:26:21 AM
Well, I've taken a few days to just relax and think about Kyron. I've decided I'm not going to pursue the DAD theory. I just don't see a tie. A lot of coincidences yes, but otherwise, I just don't get how he could be tied in. It's Oregon, everyone is a landscaper, and most Oregonians hang out in the forests, are heavily into gardening, or camp by the rivers. It doesn't mean they are associated with Kyron going missing. Anyone could be a suspect if you live in Oregon with those likes and dislikes. This may come back and bite me in the azz, but for now I feel comfortable with moving on.

I've decided to start and look at the LE search locations, and how they relate to people that are associated with that area and the Horman family. I've noticed there are quite a few home businesses up there, just like SI, like Christmas tree businesses, etc.

Yes, I'm being independent right now, but that's because everything else out there is just not making sense to me. I've had the tendency when someone mentions a potential POI, I have to dig until I can't dig anymore. This often leads me to areas that don't make sense to me but I check it out, just in case.

The current search area is also Scappoose area, specifically, the Rocky point and Dixie Mountain. There are ties to there that relate to TH, and that's where I'm heading. Personally, I think the most believable account on June 4th, was Jim Kelley's.

I still feel that there are two scenarios going on. The MFH plot, and the person(s) that made Kyron go poof on that cool damp day, June 4th, 2010 at Skyline School.



Sass, I think for me I have not come to any conclusions. I think it is possible he is connected, then maybe there is just a string of coincidences that just are coincidences. I just wish they would find him already so at least these questions will be answered.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 09, 2011, 02:35:19 AM
Sass, sorry I hit post too soon. You say that Jim Kellys account is of the most interest to you. That sighting goes against Terri having Kyron as Terri was at home both times the woman was sighted sitting in the truck. I know many people think DeDe was in the truck, but wasn't dede at the farm at 3 that afternoon? In my opinion she looks nothing like Terri, but then again there is also the possibility of the suggestion of Terri could sway someones opinion.  So who do you suppose was sitting in the truck at 3PM on June 4th and at 2AM on the 5th? Do you think this could be the same woman the rancher says he saw on June 4th who was sitting in a white truck?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 09, 2011, 03:42:08 AM
Well, I've taken a few days to just relax and think about Kyron. I've decided I'm not going to pursue the DAD theory. I just don't see a tie. A lot of coincidences yes, but otherwise, I just don't get how he could be tied in. It's Oregon, everyone is a landscaper, and most Oregonians hang out in the forests, are heavily into gardening, or camp by the rivers. It doesn't mean they are associated with Kyron going missing. Anyone could be a suspect if you live in Oregon with those likes and dislikes. This may come back and bite me in the azz, but for now I feel comfortable with moving on.

I've decided to start and look at the LE search locations, and how they relate to people that are associated with that area and the Horman family. I've noticed there are quite a few home businesses up there, just like SI, like Christmas tree businesses, etc.

Yes, I'm being independent right now, but that's because everything else out there is just not making sense to me. I've had the tendency when someone mentions a potential POI, I have to dig until I can't dig anymore. This often leads me to areas that don't make sense to me but I check it out, just in case.

The current search area is also Scappoose area, specifically, the Rocky point and Dixie Mountain. There are ties to there that relate to TH, and that's where I'm heading. Personally, I think the most believable account on June 4th, was Jim Kelley's.

I still feel that there are two scenarios going on. The MFH plot, and the person(s) that made Kyron go poof on that cool damp day, June 4th, 2010 at Skyline School.



Sass, I think for me I have not come to any conclusions. I think it is possible he is connected, then maybe there is just a string of coincidences that just are coincidences. I just wish they would find him already so at least these questions will be answered.

I still have not come to any conclusions about Durham either.  To me, the coincidences have sort of begun to pile up.  That's noteworthy. 

It's like you can't quite put your finger on it, but in the back of the mind is a nagging to keep looking at it.  So, I'm still open to continue looking at it for a while.

I have a lot of questions and theories, but will wait to see how things develop.  I think there's possibilities here.

Durham's been on the lam for 17 days now and there's nothing in the news about him the past couple of days.  There's a "Federal" warrant out for him, so this is no small matter....yet, we're not hearing anything.  That's bothersome. 



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 09, 2011, 04:06:57 AM
It's so sad that there's no positive news from the new searches started two weekends ago.  They finished searching 7 of the 11 spots designated for search.  I don't even know if they continued on during the week to finish those 4 remaining searches.

LE seemed so confident going into these searches...Desiree and Kaine had been waiting since before Thanksgiving for these searches to happen....

(snipped)  "Staton last week said he doesn't intend to seek additional funds, and plans to go before the board of commissioners sometime in late February to give a status report on whether or not the task force will continue its full-time work."  (snipped)

 http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/01/search_for_kyron_horman_resume.html

BBM - doesn't intend to seek additional funds - what does that mean to Kyron's case?




 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: melisb on February 09, 2011, 07:54:46 AM
Hellokitty!

I believe it, Dewitt's account seems kinda funky.

Been out of the loop somewhat, but back now. 

Hey MK, glad you are back!  If you will go back and look at the whole article posted about this it says I do believe(please go look for sure)that the store where he was going was right past the road where the car turned down and by the time he parked and got out he heard a gun shot from that very direction.  I'm guessing you could googlemap and see what business is just past that road turned into by the car in question with the "little boy" in it.  If area never searched then how could this be debunked?  Oh, wait, TH was suspect from day one and they need to look no further!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on February 09, 2011, 09:03:02 AM
Hellokitty!

I believe it, Dewitt's account seems kinda funky.

Been out of the loop somewhat, but back now. 

Hey MK, glad you are back!  If you will go back and look at the whole article posted about this it says I do believe(please go look for sure)that the store where he was going was right past the road where the car turned down and by the time he parked and got out he heard a gun shot from that very direction.  I'm guessing you could googlemap and see what business is just past that road turned into by the car in question with the "little boy" in it.  If area never searched then how could this be debunked?  Oh, wait, TH was suspect from day one and they need to look no further!

 ::HelloKitty::

I imagine that Tony Young who is LE would be interested in this whole case and if anything was of worth, he wouldn't want LE stuck on a false trail.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: melisb on February 09, 2011, 09:14:27 AM
Morn' HelloKitty...I do believe that TH did have her hand in Ky's disappearance but  not totally guilty.  Could be but I just think that LE believed they knew what happened from the get go and didn't really give other avenues much of a chance.  I dunno anymore.  Too many other things have come into play and could be a part of the investigation now that just didn't fit in the begininning.  Hell, what LE really knows could be something totally different than we ever knew.  I just want some answers, not all, just some assurance that they know what they are doing or where they are going!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on February 09, 2011, 10:05:59 AM
Sass, sorry I hit post too soon. You say that Jim Kellys account is of the most interest to you. That sighting goes against Terri having Kyron as Terri was at home both times the woman was sighted sitting in the truck. I know many people think DeDe was in the truck, but wasn't dede at the farm at 3 that afternoon? In my opinion she looks nothing like Terri, but then again there is also the possibility of the suggestion of Terri could sway someones opinion.  So who do you suppose was sitting in the truck at 3PM on June 4th and at 2AM on the 5th? Do you think this could be the same woman the rancher says he saw on June 4th who was sitting in a white truck?


Hey TG.

No, I don't think it was Dede in the truck on JK's road. I however, do think that Dede has knowledge of information that TH may or may not have shared with her. The woman refused to take a lie detector test. Why is that? All or any information that she shared with LE could be bogus, for all I know. If you're innocent of having any connection or information wrt Kyron going missing, WHY won't she take the test? She just plain pisses me off. A child is missing. Do what ever it takes to help find him.

As far as TH in the truck that day, it is a possibility, but not probable. I don't know who it was, but I sure would like to know. The Kyron case had a lot of press in Oregon. You would think that if the sighting of the woman in the white truck was just a coincidence because of the day, that person would come forward and say something like, "hey, that was me on that road. I was lost so I went down that road to look at a map."

TG, or anyone,  do we know what time the rancher saw the white truck with a woman in it?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on February 09, 2011, 10:37:03 AM
It's so sad that there's no positive news from the new searches started two weekends ago.  They finished searching 7 of the 11 spots designated for search.  I don't even know if they continued on during the week to finish those 4 remaining searches.

LE seemed so confident going into these searches...Desiree and Kaine had been waiting since before Thanksgiving for these searches to happen....

(snipped)  "Staton last week said he doesn't intend to seek additional funds, and plans to go before the board of commissioners sometime in late February to give a status report on whether or not the task force will continue its full-time work."  (snipped)

 http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/01/search_for_kyron_horman_resume.html

BBM - doesn't intend to seek additional funds - what does that mean to Kyron's case?




 

Puzzler: I think it means that they already believe that Kyron has passed on and right now they are looking for ANY kind of evidence that will bring closure for DY and KH, and bring justice for Kyron.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/01/kyron_horman_search_starts_wit.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/01/kyron_horman_search_starts_wit.html)

<snipped>

As searchers combed the land, they looked for any remains or for any clues that could lead to the lost boy.

<snipped>

Gustafson said at this point, search efforts are not time-sensitive. But the desire for closure isn't going away.

"We want to solve this case," he said.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on February 09, 2011, 12:32:58 PM
 ::HelloKitty::

I have been meditating on these things and I hope the monkeys have some more insight than I do.

What does it mean that it is not time sensitive?  I thought perhaps if it was remains, then there is no rush.  But I don't want to go into that on here, but that issue seems time sensitive as well.

Is the perp dead, so that is why it is not time sensitive?  The evidence that they are looking for?  But wouldn't the parents like to know what has happened?  I cannot think of anything.

As far as Dede not taking a lie detector test, what sense does that make?  Really, if she passed, then people would feel much more positively towards her just as people feel fine about the other people who took like detector tests and passed.  She could get on with her life.

If she did not pass, she would be in the very same position that she is in now.  She is thought of as guilty and her life probably has been hugely impacted. Her choice. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: starwynn on February 09, 2011, 04:42:06 PM
::HelloKitty::

I have been meditating on these things and I hope the monkeys have some more insight than I do.

What does it mean that it is not time sensitive?  I thought perhaps if it was remains, then there is no rush.  But I don't want to go into that on here, but that issue seems time sensitive as well.

Is the perp dead, so that is why it is not time sensitive?  The evidence that they are looking for?  But wouldn't the parents like to know what has happened?  I cannot think of anything.

As far as Dede not taking a lie detector test, what sense does that make?  Really, if she passed, then people would feel much more positively towards her just as people feel fine about the other people who took like detector tests and passed.  She could get on with her life.

If she did not pass, she would be in the very same position that she is in now.  She is thought of as guilty and her life probably has been hugely impacted. Her choice. 

I think that's what they seem to be thinking, HelloKitty - and as it has been a year, any damage done to the remains will have already had two full wet seasons and a summer to degrade them - so there's no rush on that, either.  Sorry to be so blunt - this is the ugliness that a possibly murder creates, and I still pray that somehow Kyron is alive.  If I were Dede, and I were innocent, I would have no problems taking that test.  But maybe she's heard all that we've all heard about how you can fail the test but it won't mean anything really.  However, the word gets out that she's failed and instead of just having a hunch that she's guilty, people will feel that it's proof - whether or not it is.

Poor Kyron.  I keep wondering - if he is found, what has he been through?  Is it awful for me to wish that he's alive, for my own selfishness, and in essence be wishing that he went through so much that he may be scarred for the rest of his life?  Is it more kind to hope that he's passed on, or just horrible?  This little boy brings me so many mixed feelings and hopes, and I wish we could turn back time and find him alive on day 1!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 09, 2011, 05:14:18 PM
Sass the ranchers sighting time was not said but there was a clue in that interview. The reporter began talking about the other person that came up to her that lives in that area and told her he saw a woman get out of a truck and start walking down a path, the reporter said that was shortly after Kyron went missing. My take was it was in the morning but it is just my opinion.

I wish I knew what they really mean by not being in a rush. I would hope that if they believed him to be buried out there, they would rush there to get him.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 09, 2011, 05:17:16 PM
Sass, sorry I hit post too soon. You say that Jim Kellys account is of the most interest to you. That sighting goes against Terri having Kyron as Terri was at home both times the woman was sighted sitting in the truck. I know many people think DeDe was in the truck, but wasn't dede at the farm at 3 that afternoon? In my opinion she looks nothing like Terri, but then again there is also the possibility of the suggestion of Terri could sway someones opinion.  So who do you suppose was sitting in the truck at 3PM on June 4th and at 2AM on the 5th? Do you think this could be the same woman the rancher says he saw on June 4th who was sitting in a white truck?


Hey TG.

No, I don't think it was Dede in the truck on JK's road. I however, do think that Dede has knowledge of information that TH may or may not have shared with her. The woman refused to take a lie detector test. Why is that? All or any information that she shared with LE could be bogus, for all I know. If you're innocent of having any connection or information wrt Kyron going missing, WHY won't she take the test? She just plain pisses me off. A child is missing. Do what ever it takes to help find him.

As far as TH in the truck that day, it is a possibility, but not probable. I don't know who it was, but I sure would like to know. The Kyron case had a lot of press in Oregon. You would think that if the sighting of the woman in the white truck was just a coincidence because of the day, that person would come forward and say something like, "hey, that was me on that road. I was lost so I went down that road to look at a map."

TG, or anyone,  do we know what time the rancher saw the white truck with a woman in it?

I think DeDe it's pretty simple to figure out why DeDe didn't take a lie detector test:

She saw what it did for Terri and, if she thinks Terri is innocent, then DeDe saw how a lie detector test could give a bad impression.
She has a father in LE and I believe he would have told her to not take a lie detector test.
We all know that lie detector tests are not even allowed in a court of law because they're "unreliable".
LDT is a tool that LE uses - a "flawed" tool.  We all know that.  They put a guilt trip on you if you don't take it.  Guess what? Some people take it - lie - and the test comes up as not lying.  It's not "reliable".
No one is required under our laws to take a LDT, because it can give false readings, even if the person is telling the truth.
Why should anyone be pointed out as being guilty because they choose not to take a test that's not even recognized by our laws?




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 09, 2011, 05:23:33 PM
It's so sad that there's no positive news from the new searches started two weekends ago.  They finished searching 7 of the 11 spots designated for search.  I don't even know if they continued on during the week to finish those 4 remaining searches.

LE seemed so confident going into these searches...Desiree and Kaine had been waiting since before Thanksgiving for these searches to happen....

(snipped)  "Staton last week said he doesn't intend to seek additional funds, and plans to go before the board of commissioners sometime in late February to give a status report on whether or not the task force will continue its full-time work."  (snipped)

 http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/01/search_for_kyron_horman_resume.html

BBM - doesn't intend to seek additional funds - what does that mean to Kyron's case?




 

Puzzler: I think it means that they already believe that Kyron has passed on and right now they are looking for ANY kind of evidence that will bring closure for DY and KH, and bring justice for Kyron.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/01/kyron_horman_search_starts_wit.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/01/kyron_horman_search_starts_wit.html)

<snipped>

As searchers combed the land, they looked for any remains or for any clues that could lead to the lost boy.

<snipped>

Gustafson said at this point, search efforts are not time-sensitive. But the desire for closure isn't going away.

"We want to solve this case," he said.

Sassi - TY

Well, to me, if Stanton isn't going to request any more money, then he isn't planning for much of anything wrt Kyron in the future.  He's winding down his investigation.  He even says he's going to make a determination as to whether to even continue the Task Force "full-time".  I think he's spent 4 months with a Task Force "focused" intensely on Kyron's case, running down leads and crossing them off the list. 

I would like to hope that he plans on arrests, etc. by the end of February, but that hope is dashed by his words that he will determine whether to carry on with he Task Force at "full-time" or not....meaning....nothing's settled yet.  There is no end in sight...so much so that he's thinking of pulling back on the Task Force's time.

That, along with not asking for any more money, speaks volumes to me.  Not good.  I sure hope I'm proven to be wrong.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on February 09, 2011, 05:25:29 PM
 ::HelloKitty::

Oh I get the thing about the lie detector test.

However, if I was innocent, and I would be , I would take a thousand lie detector tests .

Look at Dede.  Do you think her life is pleasant? 

Does she have a job?  What is it like for her to go out in public? 

Sure, some people will think she is innocent and some people will think she should not take the LDT.

but how many people give her ugly vibes ?  How many people are truly comfortable with her ?  How many people are analyzing every little thing she does and conversations that she has had? How many people pull their children out of sight when they come into contact with her?

Apparently if she is innocent, that way of life does not impact her.  It must be OK with her.

DSfor DF-Different Strokes for Different Folks


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 09, 2011, 05:29:32 PM
Sass, sorry I hit post too soon. You say that Jim Kellys account is of the most interest to you. That sighting goes against Terri having Kyron as Terri was at home both times the woman was sighted sitting in the truck. I know many people think DeDe was in the truck, but wasn't dede at the farm at 3 that afternoon? In my opinion she looks nothing like Terri, but then again there is also the possibility of the suggestion of Terri could sway someones opinion.  So who do you suppose was sitting in the truck at 3PM on June 4th and at 2AM on the 5th? Do you think this could be the same woman the rancher says he saw on June 4th who was sitting in a white truck?


I am a believer in the credibility of the sighting by Jim Kelely and his neighbour.

Jim Kelley does not identify or describe the "female" driver.

Considering Kaine places Terri at home at 3:00 PM on the afternoon of June 4th ... I speculate that the driver may have been DeDe.

Janet

++++++

Two Witnesses - Same Sighting

Day 3: FBI calls in criminal profiler in search for missing Skyline boy; interviews with students and parents begin
Published: Sunday, June 06, 2010, 2:14 PM
Updated: Friday, June 18, 2010, 5:01 PM


<snipped>

1:29 p.m. -- Neighbors stop by Brooks Hill Historic church, across the street from the school, to mull over the investigation. "This kind of thing is unheard of," says Jim Kelley, 50.

Kelley, who lives about a mile and a half down hill, at the end of a winding, secluded country lane off Cornelius Pass, said police, federal agents, K-9 teams and helicopters scoured the area Saturday.

"We had two odd sightings of a vehicle on our road Friday," Kelley said. Around 3 p.m, he and a neighbor reported seeing a white pick-up truck with a female driver pull to the end of the long road, idle and then turn around. Then again at 2 a.m. Saturday morning, a similar white pickup truck appeared, idled and when a neighbor loosed her dogs, eased away.

"A, it was strange to have a car there, any car there, that we didn't know, and B, it was strange to have a vehicle come down our dead-end road twice in the same day, hours after a little boy goes missing," said Kelley. "That's beyond rare."

Kelley said authorities have twice searched the deep ravine, creek and railroad tracks located near the end of his street by air and on foot.

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/day_three_search_continues_hun


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 09, 2011, 05:35:24 PM
::HelloKitty::

Oh I get the thing about the lie detector test.

However, if I was innocent, and I would be , I would take a thousand lie detector tests .

Look at Dede.  Do you think her life is pleasant? 

Does she have a job?  What is it like for her to go out in public? 

Sure, some people will think she is innocent and some people will think she should not take the LDT.

but how many people give her ugly vibes ?  How many people are truly comfortable with her ?  How many people are analyzing every little thing she does and conversations that she has had? How many people pull their children out of sight when they come into contact with her?

Apparently if she is innocent, that way of life does not impact her.  It must be OK with her.

DSfor DF-Different Strokes for Different Folks

I did not say she shoud or shouldn't take the test.  I point out simple reasons why she might make the choice not to take the test...and...I forgot one: I'm sure her attorney would tell her not to take the test.

What you or I would do, is not necessarily what the next person would/should do.  What you or I would do and another person doesn't do, IMO, does not make that person automatically in the wrong.  We're not in that person's shoes and, as much as we'd like to think we do...we don't know a fraction of what's going on behind the scenes.  There could be a number of reasons that would factor in on someone's decision not to take the LDT.   


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 09, 2011, 08:05:29 PM
Can someone jar my memory as to how we know Dede refused to take a lie detector test? Who said that again?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 09, 2011, 08:07:07 PM
Janet do you have anything that states where Dede was at 3 that day? Was she at the farm or was she off of work?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 09, 2011, 08:25:42 PM
I am not sure if I would take a lie detector test, it concerns me they can be wrong.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: klaasend on February 09, 2011, 10:48:35 PM
Can someone jar my memory as to how we know Dede refused to take a lie detector test? Who said that again?

TG - I found this

http://www.cnnstudentnews.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1008/23/ijvm.01.html

ISSUES WITH JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL

Will Terri Horman`s Friend Testify?; Fantasia Tries to Commit Suicide

Aired August 23, 2010 - 19:00:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

CARLOS DIAZ, HOST (voice-over): Tonight disturbing new developments in the desperate search for Kyron Horman. Are the walls finally closing in on his step-mom? New reports now say Terri Horman`s best friend is refusing to take a polygraph. Does she know what happened to this cute little boy? Does she have something to hide?

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sebastian on February 09, 2011, 10:53:05 PM
I have a list of things that make me suspicious of DeDe with or without the lie detector test. Her absence those hours on the day that Kyron went missing. The smug smug look on her face after the Grand Jury. The fact that she appears to still have a friendship with Terri. The fact that she stayed with Terri for all of those days after Kyron went missing and did not bolt. Let's face it, most NORMAL people would have run for the hills viewing Terri's behavior after her step-son went missing. The sexting etc. From what we have read, DeDe was present for that bizarre behavior. It did not occur to DeDe that Terri was not acting NORMAL? DeDe is either a complete idiot who idolizes the ground that the red squirrel walks on or she was involved to some degree.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sebastian on February 09, 2011, 11:03:41 PM
I wonder who the nutwhack is that made this video and why they call DAD "Colonel"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxY7_jHOb1E


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on February 09, 2011, 11:35:13 PM
 ::HelloKitty::

I think the person made the video because DAD shot LE. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 10, 2011, 12:03:11 AM
I have a list of things that make me suspicious of DeDe with or without the lie detector test. Her absence those hours on the day that Kyron went missing. The smug smug look on her face after the Grand Jury. The fact that she appears to still have a friendship with Terri. The fact that she stayed with Terri for all of those days after Kyron went missing and did not bolt. Let's face it, most NORMAL people would have run for the hills viewing Terri's behavior after her step-son went missing. The sexting etc. From what we have read, DeDe was present for that bizarre behavior. It did not occur to DeDe that Terri was not acting NORMAL? DeDe is either a complete idiot who idolizes the ground that the red squirrel walks on or she was involved to some degree.

IA, she's left to many questions in my mind to give her a pass at this point.   


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 10, 2011, 01:09:17 AM
A little something about Kyron...not much...but from Texas...basically just shows that people from all over are following the case:

San Antonio supporter of "Missing Kyron Horman" opens up about case

http://www.examiner.com/support-groups-in-san-antonio/san-antonio-resident-opens-up-about-kyron-horman-case



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: cw618 on February 10, 2011, 09:46:49 AM
i found another statement by jim kelley,i had not heard b4, near the end of the article
it has some links too,and other info i dont remember reading,does anyone remember when
kelley statement about seeing the truck,was first out

"It's strange how the child just seems to have simply vanished," said Jim Kelley, who lives near the school.
"It's a parent's worst nightmare. It's unthinkable."

POSTED: 6:50 am PDT June 7, 2010
UPDATED: 2:59 pm PDT June 10, 2010
http://www.kptv.com/news/23816333/detail.html



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: klaasend on February 10, 2011, 10:55:59 AM
(http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/168397_1792531209758_1133993561_2004012_5379812_n.jpg)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on February 10, 2011, 02:47:11 PM
Has anyone seen this photobucket before? It's creeping me out! Read some of the captions underneath the photo's.

http://s804.photobucket.com/albums/yy325/kyronhorman/#!cpZZ1QQtppZZ20 (http://s804.photobucket.com/albums/yy325/kyronhorman/#!cpZZ1QQtppZZ20)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on February 10, 2011, 03:00:56 PM
Has anyone seen this photobucket before? It's creeping me out! Read some of the captions underneath the photo's.

http://s804.photobucket.com/albums/yy325/kyronhorman/#!cpZZ1QQtppZZ20 (http://s804.photobucket.com/albums/yy325/kyronhorman/#!cpZZ1QQtppZZ20)

The more I look at it, the more I think it's the same Kook that posted those UTube videos.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 10, 2011, 03:01:04 PM
Has anyone seen this photobucket before? It's creeping me out! Read some of the captions underneath the photo's.

http://s804.photobucket.com/albums/yy325/kyronhorman/#!cpZZ1QQtppZZ20 (http://s804.photobucket.com/albums/yy325/kyronhorman/#!cpZZ1QQtppZZ20)

Sass who are the people with the little boy that looks like Kyron? I am confused.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on February 10, 2011, 03:07:56 PM
Has anyone seen this photobucket before? It's creeping me out! Read some of the captions underneath the photo's.

http://s804.photobucket.com/albums/yy325/kyronhorman/#!cpZZ1QQtppZZ20 (http://s804.photobucket.com/albums/yy325/kyronhorman/#!cpZZ1QQtppZZ20)

Sass who are the people with the little boy that looks like Kyron? I am confused.

I have no idea.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 10, 2011, 03:11:00 PM
Can someone jar my memory as to how we know Dede refused to take a lie detector test? Who said that again?

TG - I found this

http://www.cnnstudentnews.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1008/23/ijvm.01.html

ISSUES WITH JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL

Will Terri Horman`s Friend Testify?; Fantasia Tries to Commit Suicide

Aired August 23, 2010 - 19:00:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

CARLOS DIAZ, HOST (voice-over): Tonight disturbing new developments in the desperate search for Kyron Horman. Are the walls finally closing in on his step-mom? New reports now say Terri Horman`s best friend is refusing to take a polygraph. Does she know what happened to this cute little boy? Does she have something to hide?

 ::snipping2::

Thanks Klaas so it was reported by a source is that what it seems? Did her lawyer comment on it or did LE say she refused the poly? I am not doubting it, as it is her right to not take one, i am just curious as to how we know she refused to take one.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 10, 2011, 03:12:33 PM
Has anyone seen this photobucket before? It's creeping me out! Read some of the captions underneath the photo's.

http://s804.photobucket.com/albums/yy325/kyronhorman/#!cpZZ1QQtppZZ20 (http://s804.photobucket.com/albums/yy325/kyronhorman/#!cpZZ1QQtppZZ20)

The more I look at it, the more I think it's the same Kook that posted those UTube videos.

What do you think they are trying to say with the pics? Seems they are trying to connect something but I am missing their point.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: klaasend on February 10, 2011, 03:20:41 PM
Has anyone seen this photobucket before? It's creeping me out! Read some of the captions underneath the photo's.

http://s804.photobucket.com/albums/yy325/kyronhorman/#!cpZZ1QQtppZZ20 (http://s804.photobucket.com/albums/yy325/kyronhorman/#!cpZZ1QQtppZZ20)

The more I look at it, the more I think it's the same Kook that posted those UTube videos.

What do you think they are trying to say with the pics? Seems they are trying to connect something but I am missing their point.

Sass
- I agree.  These are some of the photos the weird Youtube guy used. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: klaasend on February 10, 2011, 03:25:41 PM
Has anyone seen this photobucket before? It's creeping me out! Read some of the captions underneath the photo's.

http://s804.photobucket.com/albums/yy325/kyronhorman/#!cpZZ1QQtppZZ20 (http://s804.photobucket.com/albums/yy325/kyronhorman/#!cpZZ1QQtppZZ20)

The more I look at it, the more I think it's the same Kook that posted those UTube videos.

What do you think they are trying to say with the pics? Seems they are trying to connect something but I am missing their point.

Sass
- I agree.  These are some of the photos the weird Youtube guy used. 

Actually, I am positive it's the same person.  Here are his videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8UAFf5l53k&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 10, 2011, 03:27:39 PM
Has anyone seen this photobucket before? It's creeping me out! Read some of the captions underneath the photo's.

http://s804.photobucket.com/albums/yy325/kyronhorman/#!cpZZ1QQtppZZ20 (http://s804.photobucket.com/albums/yy325/kyronhorman/#!cpZZ1QQtppZZ20)

The more I look at it, the more I think it's the same Kook that posted those UTube videos.

What do you think they are trying to say with the pics? Seems they are trying to connect something but I am missing their point.

Sass
- I agree.  These are some of the photos the weird Youtube guy used. 

Actually, I am positive it's the same person.  Here are his videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8UAFf5l53k&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
Do we know who this person is? I never have understood the pics of trucks and people found on Google street maps. Strange.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on February 10, 2011, 03:28:33 PM
 ::HelloKitty::

I think that those phtots are just another nut inserting her/himself into the case. Yup, the same as the utube unless someone has taken the utube photos.

Too many liars pretending that they know something in this case, I feel.

Some journalist should write about all of the people doing this kind of thing and tell us why they do it.  Some kind of undiagnosed new condition to go into the DMSV or whatever letters it is.

Fake info for child abduction case syndrome.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on February 10, 2011, 03:30:27 PM
Has anyone seen this photobucket before? It's creeping me out! Read some of the captions underneath the photo's.

http://s804.photobucket.com/albums/yy325/kyronhorman/#!cpZZ1QQtppZZ20 (http://s804.photobucket.com/albums/yy325/kyronhorman/#!cpZZ1QQtppZZ20)

The more I look at it, the more I think it's the same Kook that posted those UTube videos.

What do you think they are trying to say with the pics? Seems they are trying to connect something but I am missing their point.

Sass
- I agree.  These are some of the photos the weird Youtube guy used. 

Actually, I am positive it's the same person.  Here are his videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8UAFf5l53k&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
Do we know who this person is? I never have understood the pics of trucks and people found on Google street maps. Strange.

I think it was sleuthed on here as Caroline Carty, is it?  She clans that she wrote Foot Prints in the
Sand. There is a whole section on sleuthing  her on here somewhere.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: klaasend on February 10, 2011, 03:43:28 PM
::HelloKitty::

I think that those phtots are just another nut inserting her/himself into the case. Yup, the same as the utube unless someone has taken the utube photos.

Too many liars pretending that they know something in this case, I feel.

Some journalist should write about all of the people doing this kind of thing and tell us why they do it.  Some kind of undiagnosed new condition to go into the DMSV or whatever letters it is.

Fake info for child abduction case syndrome.

I agree, another nut and this was way back in August 2010 so I'm certain that LE is well aware of it by now.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: klaasend on February 10, 2011, 07:01:20 PM
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2011/02/searchers_scour_wooded_area_near_waldport_for_david_durham.html

Searchers scour wooded area near Waldport for David Durham
Published: Thursday, February 10, 2011, 2:54 PM     Updated: Thursday, February 10, 2011, 3:32 PM

WALDPORT - Three canine units from Tillamook and Marion Counties scoured about two miles of heavy wooded brush in the Bayshore neighborhood Thursday in search of clues to the whereabouts of David Durham, but again came up empty handed.

The officers and dogs looked for evidence of some place Durham might have been or anything he might have dropped, said Senior Deputy Bruce McGuire.  "Nothing turned up and nothing gave us reason to think we should look for something else," he said.

Durham is accused of shooting Lincoln City officer Steve Dodds on the night of Jan. 23 after Dodds stopped him just south of Lincoln City for speeding. Durham was last seen in Bayshore after a spike strip disabled his SUV and he fled on foot. Dodds' condition was upgraded Wednesday from serious to fair.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 10, 2011, 07:08:26 PM
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2011/02/searchers_scour_wooded_area_near_waldport_for_david_durham.html

Searchers scour wooded area near Waldport for David Durham
Published: Thursday, February 10, 2011, 2:54 PM     Updated: Thursday, February 10, 2011, 3:32 PM

WALDPORT - Three canine units from Tillamook and Marion Counties scoured about two miles of heavy wooded brush in the Bayshore neighborhood Thursday in search of clues to the whereabouts of David Durham, but again came up empty handed.

The officers and dogs looked for evidence of some place Durham might have been or anything he might have dropped, said Senior Deputy Bruce McGuire.  "Nothing turned up and nothing gave us reason to think we should look for something else," he said.

Durham is accused of shooting Lincoln City officer Steve Dodds on the night of Jan. 23 after Dodds stopped him just south of Lincoln City for speeding. Durham was last seen in Bayshore after a spike strip disabled his SUV and he fled on foot. Dodds' condition was upgraded Wednesday from serious to fair.
 ::snipping2::

Klaas - TY.  Good to hear something is happening.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Brandi on February 10, 2011, 08:13:07 PM
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2011/02/searchers_scour_wooded_area_near_waldport_for_david_durham.html

Searchers scour wooded area near Waldport for David Durham
Published: Thursday, February 10, 2011, 2:54 PM     Updated: Thursday, February 10, 2011, 3:32 PM

WALDPORT - Three canine units from Tillamook and Marion Counties scoured about two miles of heavy wooded brush in the Bayshore neighborhood Thursday in search of clues to the whereabouts of David Durham, but again came up empty handed.

The officers and dogs looked for evidence of some place Durham might have been or anything he might have dropped, said Senior Deputy Bruce McGuire.  "Nothing turned up and nothing gave us reason to think we should look for something else," he said.

Durham is accused of shooting Lincoln City officer Steve Dodds on the night of Jan. 23 after Dodds stopped him just south of Lincoln City for speeding. Durham was last seen in Bayshore after a spike strip disabled his SUV and he fled on foot. Dodds' condition was upgraded Wednesday from serious to fair.
 ::snipping2::

<snipped from above article>

Any option we can think of is on the books because we don't have him," said Palmer. "Anything could have happened. He could have gone out with any of the outgoing tides. He could have gotten up in the woods and killed himself, or died of exposure. He could be working his way through empty houses. Maybe he got help. It is really difficult to know for sure until we find him dead or alive."

Local police officials have appealed to America's Most Wanted to run a feature on Durham.

"If we get it out, especially this being a tourist area, someone from down south or back east may have been here and seen something and it didn't click until they see this (the show)."


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 11, 2011, 12:23:44 AM
Look at this cute picture Kyron; I've never seen it before.

http://photos.oregonlive.com/oregonian/2010/06/kyron_horman_58.html



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 11, 2011, 12:41:21 AM
Look at this cute picture Kyron; I've never seen it before.

http://photos.oregonlive.com/oregonian/2010/06/kyron_horman_58.html



Awww, that is a cute picture of sweet Kyron, Puzzler! Seeing it just breaks my heart. Where is Kyron?   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on February 11, 2011, 07:48:46 AM
Look at this cute picture Kyron; I've never seen it before.

http://photos.oregonlive.com/oregonian/2010/06/kyron_horman_58.html



I just love that little face. He's so cute!  ::MonkeyAngel::


(http://media.oregonlive.com/oregonian/photo/8670977-standard.jpg)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: cw618 on February 11, 2011, 10:09:42 AM
Quote
I think it was sleuthed on here as Caroline Carty, is it?  She clans that she wrote Foot Prints in the
Sand. There is a whole section on sleuthing  her on here somewhere.


if she makes that claim, she is someone looking for trouble
http://www.footprints-inthe-sand.com/index.php?page=Main.php

my Gmom had a copy of that poem framed in the hall,the earliest i can remember it was 1960
everyone said it had hung there for years,my uncle K had picked it up someplace after ww2
and gave it to his mom


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: melisb on February 11, 2011, 10:28:40 AM
I wonder what point the youtube lady was trying to make?  She alluded to two different things I can remember...one was the pond out back of one of the stores TH claimed to be at and then the pedo references of a Dr. Death who lives way out where TH pinged where there were children used and then dead on the same property.  She actually showed a home and claimed it to be the one if I am not mistaken.  I think the said if you look hard enough you could see children hanging in the trees!  Nut alert, but what if?  There have been people like that and although I don't believe she has knowledge about anything to do with Ky what if it was just a way to let someone know about some eveil pedo?  Okay, I just read my own post and am sure she's a nut and I did what she wanted, talking about her and her way out there theories!!!! lol


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Brandi on February 11, 2011, 02:15:55 PM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/KH.jpg)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on February 11, 2011, 02:26:34 PM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/KH.jpg)


Oh my goodness Brandi! How cute!! I just want to kiss that little face! Thanks Brandi!  ::MonkeyKiss::

Every time I see his face, makes me want to fight even harder in finding this sweet boy.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on February 11, 2011, 02:46:44 PM
Klaas: Do by any chance have the August 12th press conference video with Captain Gates in your photobucket? It went poof at the Oregonian website.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 11, 2011, 04:26:39 PM
I wonder what point the youtube lady was trying to make?  She alluded to two different things I can remember...one was the pond out back of one of the stores TH claimed to be at and then the pedo references of a Dr. Death who lives way out where TH pinged where there were children used and then dead on the same property.  She actually showed a home and claimed it to be the one if I am not mistaken.  I think the said if you look hard enough you could see children hanging in the trees!  Nut alert, but what if?  There have been people like that and although I don't believe she has knowledge about anything to do with Ky what if it was just a way to let someone know about some eveil pedo?  Okay, I just read my own post and am sure she's a nut and I did what she wanted, talking about her and her way out there theories!!!! lol

I am not connecting how we know the maker of the video's and the photobucket is this Carolyn lady, So I don't have to look back can someone please just post how we know this?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 11, 2011, 04:29:03 PM
Quote
I think it was sleuthed on here as Caroline Carty, is it?  She clans that she wrote Foot Prints in the
Sand. There is a whole section on sleuthing  her on here somewhere.


if she makes that claim, she is someone looking for trouble
http://www.footprints-inthe-sand.com/index.php?page=Main.php

my Gmom had a copy of that poem framed in the hall,the earliest i can remember it was 1960
everyone said it had hung there for years,my uncle K had picked it up someplace after ww2
and gave it to his mom

I don't know the story supposedly goes that she finished what her aunt had started. There are a few people who have claimed to have written this, seems sort of strange to me to take credit for something that has to do with a message from God, seems you would need to be careful in a thunder storm. Yikes!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: klaasend on February 11, 2011, 04:41:11 PM
Klaas: Do by any chance have the August 12th press conference video with Captain Gates in your photobucket? It went poof at the Oregonian website.

I'll check


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: neighbor on February 11, 2011, 04:50:48 PM
Klaas: Do by any chance have the August 12th press conference video with Captain Gates in your photobucket? It went poof at the Oregonian website.

I'll check

I have it, but don't know how to get it to you


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: klaasend on February 11, 2011, 04:51:53 PM
Klaas: Do by any chance have the August 12th press conference video with Captain Gates in your photobucket? It went poof at the Oregonian website.

I'll check

Aug 11?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLxcwjY8now



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: klaasend on February 11, 2011, 04:58:18 PM
Klaas: Do by any chance have the August 12th press conference video with Captain Gates in your photobucket? It went poof at the Oregonian website.

I'll check

I have it, but don't know how to get it to you

No easy way unless it's in photobucket, flickr or Youtube or some other online site.  Often a video like that is too large for emailing, even zipped.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Brandi on February 11, 2011, 05:58:14 PM
Klaas: Do by any chance have the August 12th press conference video with Captain Gates in your photobucket? It went poof at the Oregonian website.

I'll check

I have it, but don't know how to get it to you

No easy way unless it's in photobucket, flickr or Youtube or some other online site.  Often a video like that is too large for emailing, even zipped.

O/T: There are quite a few places that will host your file for someone else to download. (Even up to a 5 GB file.) Google for file host and you'll find them ;-)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on February 11, 2011, 06:09:27 PM
Klaas: Do by any chance have the August 12th press conference video with Captain Gates in your photobucket? It went poof at the Oregonian website.

I'll check

Aug 11?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLxcwjY8now



Thanks!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: cw618 on February 11, 2011, 06:12:43 PM
try this one,not sure how long it stays up,just fetch the link and post it,then it can be downloaded
http://www.fileswap.com/


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on February 11, 2011, 06:13:43 PM
One more question. Does anyone know how many exit doors (not just the public ones) that are at skyline, and where they are?

I've been looking into something and I have some thoughts and ideas/feelings. I found some things out but I need to put it all together.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 11, 2011, 06:29:31 PM
One more question. Does anyone know how many exit doors (not just the public ones) that are at skyline, and where they are?

I've been looking into something and I have some thoughts and ideas/feelings. I found some things out but I need to put it all together.

I know the floor plans are here somewhere (I remember TracyGirl was all over it:) but for speed here is a photobucket floorplan of the basement.

http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t166/ubrmel/KYRON/Maps%20KYRON/?action=view&current=BasementFPofSkylineSchool.jpg


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: cw618 on February 11, 2011, 06:52:09 PM
One more question. Does anyone know how many exit doors (not just the public ones) that are at skyline, and where they are?

I've been looking into something and I have some thoughts and ideas/feelings. I found some things out but I need to put it all together.

sassi i have these


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on February 11, 2011, 06:55:47 PM
 ::HelloKitty::

Sassi I hope you will share what you come up with.  Your ideas are always so interesting.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on February 11, 2011, 07:19:56 PM
One more question. Does anyone know how many exit doors (not just the public ones) that are at skyline, and where they are?

I've been looking into something and I have some thoughts and ideas/feelings. I found some things out but I need to put it all together.

sassi i have these


Thank you! I knew they were some place!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on February 11, 2011, 07:23:45 PM
::HelloKitty::

Sassi I hope you will share what you come up with.  Your ideas are always so interesting.

Absolutely HK. I wouldn't hold out on the Monkeys.I may not be able to post it until Sunday (tomorrow is grocery shopping day) because I have to put it down in a txt file first, to organize it. I'm pretty excited about it though. It ties in with the last search area too.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: neighbor on February 11, 2011, 08:05:44 PM
Klaas: Do by any chance have the August 12th press conference video with Captain Gates in your photobucket? It went poof at the Oregonian website.

I'll check

Aug 11?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLxcwjY8now



Thanks!

Let me know if you still need my version.  I have it ready for upload, but I think the youtube version that Klaas pointed out is the same.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Scatty on February 11, 2011, 09:02:30 PM
::HelloKitty::

Oh I get the thing about the lie detector test.

However, if I was innocent, and I would be , I would take a thousand lie detector tests .

Look at Dede.  Do you think her life is pleasant? 

Does she have a job?  What is it like for her to go out in public? 

Sure, some people will think she is innocent and some people will think she should not take the LDT.

but how many people give her ugly vibes ?  How many people are truly comfortable with her ?  How many people are analyzing every little thing she does and conversations that she has had? How many people pull their children out of sight when they come into contact with her?

Apparently if she is innocent, that way of life does not impact her.  It must be OK with her.

DSfor DF-Different Strokes for Different Folks

I did not say she shoud or shouldn't take the test.  I point out simple reasons why she might make the choice not to take the test...and...I forgot one: I'm sure her attorney would tell her not to take the test.

What you or I would do, is not necessarily what the next person would/should do.  What you or I would do and another person doesn't do, IMO, does not make that person automatically in the wrong.  We're not in that person's shoes and, as much as we'd like to think we do...we don't know a fraction of what's going on behind the scenes.  There could be a number of reasons that would factor in on someone's decision not to take the LDT.   

My take on the LDT issue is that if you are innocent, you really don't have anything to lose by taking the lie detector test. If you refuse, it looks like you have something to hide; if you take it and it comes back fail or inconclusive, you're no worse off than if you refused because the LDT has no legal value. However, if you are innocent and you pass, LE may use this tool to stop wasting their resources on you and tend to shift there focus elsewhere, narrowing their list of hinky people.
If, on the other hand, you are involved in the kidnapping up to your eyeballs, you'd worry that your response to certain questions could point LE in the right direction.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Brandi on February 11, 2011, 09:12:54 PM
::HelloKitty::

Oh I get the thing about the lie detector test.

However, if I was innocent, and I would be , I would take a thousand lie detector tests .

Look at Dede.  Do you think her life is pleasant? 

Does she have a job?  What is it like for her to go out in public? 

Sure, some people will think she is innocent and some people will think she should not take the LDT.

but how many people give her ugly vibes ?  How many people are truly comfortable with her ?  How many people are analyzing every little thing she does and conversations that she has had? How many people pull their children out of sight when they come into contact with her?

Apparently if she is innocent, that way of life does not impact her.  It must be OK with her.

DSfor DF-Different Strokes for Different Folks

I did not say she shoud or shouldn't take the test.  I point out simple reasons why she might make the choice not to take the test...and...I forgot one: I'm sure her attorney would tell her not to take the test.

What you or I would do, is not necessarily what the next person would/should do.  What you or I would do and another person doesn't do, IMO, does not make that person automatically in the wrong.  We're not in that person's shoes and, as much as we'd like to think we do...we don't know a fraction of what's going on behind the scenes.  There could be a number of reasons that would factor in on someone's decision not to take the LDT.   

My take on the LDT issue is that if you are innocent, you really don't have anything to lose by taking the lie detector test. If you refuse, it looks like you have something to hide; if you take it and it comes back fail or inconclusive, you're no worse off than if you refused because the LDT has no legal value. However, if you are innocent and you pass, LE may use this tool to stop wasting their resources on you and tend to shift there focus elsewhere, narrowing their list of hinky people.
If, on the other hand, you are involved in the kidnapping up to your eyeballs, you'd worry that your response to certain questions could point LE in the right direction.

That's how I see it too.

Anyone who cares about Kyron and had nothing to do with his disappearance should be willing to take it, IMO.

O/T: scatty: a Valentine post for you here: http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4314.msg1283617#msg1283617


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sebastian on February 11, 2011, 09:59:30 PM
I totally agree! If Terri and or Dee Dee truly cared about Kyron, they would want to take the lie detector tests to get eliminated. That way LE could put their time and resources elsewhere. When are they going to be arrested already? Tick Tock!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 11, 2011, 11:08:19 PM
Officer shot by suspect upgraded to fair condition.

http://www.kval.com/news/local/115927754.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 11, 2011, 11:36:40 PM
Picture of DAD's house on Sauvie Island - pic #9

See also, pic #8 - LEO Dobbs (officer who got shot) accepting an award - does Dobbs have reddish hair?

http://www.kgw.com/news/slideshows/Photos-Lincoln-City-police-shooting-114589564.html?gallery=y&img=8&c=y#gallery-image



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 12, 2011, 12:19:07 AM
I totally agree! If Terri and or Dee Dee truly cared about Kyron, they would want to take the lie detector tests to get eliminated. That way LE could put their time and resources elsewhere. When are they going to be arrested already? Tick Tock!

How do we know she didn't take a lie detector? I know it was written in an article, are we sure she didn't?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 12, 2011, 12:20:28 AM
Picture of DAD's house on Sauvie Island - pic #9

See also, pic #8 - LEO Dobbs (officer who got shot) accepting an award - does Dobbs have reddish hair?

http://www.kgw.com/news/slideshows/Photos-Lincoln-City-police-shooting-114589564.html?gallery=y&img=8&c=y#gallery-image



Do we know what street this house is on?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 12, 2011, 12:35:22 AM
Picture of DAD's house on Sauvie Island - pic #9

See also, pic #8 - LEO Dobbs (officer who got shot) accepting an award - does Dobbs have reddish hair?

http://www.kgw.com/news/slideshows/Photos-Lincoln-City-police-shooting-114589564.html?gallery=y&img=8&c=y#gallery-image



Do we know what street this house is on?

Well, here's the street address, but I don't know what city it's called:

Durham's address is 24510 NW Sauvie Island Road.

http://www.thechronicleonline.com/news/local_news/article_38ff104a-289f-11e0-bccb-001cc4c03286.html




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 12, 2011, 12:44:32 AM
::HelloKitty::

Oh I get the thing about the lie detector test.

However, if I was innocent, and I would be , I would take a thousand lie detector tests .

Look at Dede.  Do you think her life is pleasant? 

Does she have a job?  What is it like for her to go out in public? 

Sure, some people will think she is innocent and some people will think she should not take the LDT.

but how many people give her ugly vibes ?  How many people are truly comfortable with her ?  How many people are analyzing every little thing she does and conversations that she has had? How many people pull their children out of sight when they come into contact with her?

Apparently if she is innocent, that way of life does not impact her.  It must be OK with her.

DSfor DF-Different Strokes for Different Folks

I did not say she shoud or shouldn't take the test.  I point out simple reasons why she might make the choice not to take the test...and...I forgot one: I'm sure her attorney would tell her not to take the test.

What you or I would do, is not necessarily what the next person would/should do.  What you or I would do and another person doesn't do, IMO, does not make that person automatically in the wrong.  We're not in that person's shoes and, as much as we'd like to think we do...we don't know a fraction of what's going on behind the scenes.  There could be a number of reasons that would factor in on someone's decision not to take the LDT.   

My take on the LDT issue is that if you are innocent, you really don't have anything to lose by taking the lie detector test. If you refuse, it looks like you have something to hide; if you take it and it comes back fail or inconclusive, you're no worse off than if you refused because the LDT has no legal value. However, if you are innocent and you pass, LE may use this tool to stop wasting their resources on you and tend to shift there focus elsewhere, narrowing their list of hinky people.
If, on the other hand, you are involved in the kidnapping up to your eyeballs, you'd worry that your response to certain questions could point LE in the right direction.

That's how I see it too.

Anyone who cares about Kyron and had nothing to do with his disappearance should be willing to take it, IMO.

O/T: scatty: a Valentine post for you here: http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4314.msg1283617#msg1283617

Just playing devils advocate. If this is true, then what about Terri, she took a few supposedly?

My take on Dede, I think she was acting like a rebellious teenager. I dont think she had anything to do with this. I think she was stepping in to help who she felt was being wrongly accused and LE focused on her for it. I think she refused to take the LE because again, she was being rebellious and didn't want to do what was being asked of her because she was mad at LE. Kyron got lost in the whole thing sadly. I wish she would have just taken the damn thing because I think it is nothing more then a distraction.

CW you posted a quote from Jim Kelly that said something different then I recall reading, perhaps I did but it didn't stick in my mind. Does he have a child at skyline? Why was he at the school or being questioned?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 12, 2011, 12:45:22 AM
Picture of DAD's house on Sauvie Island - pic #9

See also, pic #8 - LEO Dobbs (officer who got shot) accepting an award - does Dobbs have reddish hair?

http://www.kgw.com/news/slideshows/Photos-Lincoln-City-police-shooting-114589564.html?gallery=y&img=8&c=y#gallery-image



Do we know what street this house is on?

Well, here's the street address, but I don't know what city it's called:

Durham's address is 24510 NW Sauvie Island Road.

http://www.thechronicleonline.com/news/local_news/article_38ff104a-289f-11e0-bccb-001cc4c03286.html




Thank you!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sebastian on February 12, 2011, 12:47:53 AM
I totally agree! If Terri and or Dee Dee truly cared about Kyron, they would want to take the lie detector tests to get eliminated. That way LE could put their time and resources elsewhere. When are they going to be arrested already? Tick Tock!

How do we know she didn't take a lie detector? I know it was written in an article, are we sure she didn't?

Hi Tracygirl!
If Dee Dee did take a lie detector, it seems to me that she would make darn sure that it was blabbed all over the net. I have had a hinky feeling about Dee Dee for a long time. I have been wrong before, could be wrong this time.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sebastian on February 12, 2011, 12:48:53 AM
Picture of DAD's house on Sauvie Island - pic #9

See also, pic #8 - LEO Dobbs (officer who got shot) accepting an award - does Dobbs have reddish hair?

http://www.kgw.com/news/slideshows/Photos-Lincoln-City-police-shooting-114589564.html?gallery=y&img=8&c=y#gallery-image



Tracygirl,
When I looked up this address on google maps, I did not see a house or anything. You are much better at maps than I am though.

Do we know what street this house is on?

Well, here's the street address, but I don't know what city it's called:

Durham's address is 24510 NW Sauvie Island Road.

http://www.thechronicleonline.com/news/local_news/article_38ff104a-289f-11e0-bccb-001cc4c03286.html




Thank you!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sebastian on February 12, 2011, 12:49:35 AM
Sorry, I messed up the above quote box  ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on February 12, 2011, 12:58:55 AM
 ::HelloKitty::

Re Jim Kelley. 

I don't think he has a child at the school.  I think he called in the tip because it was very very strange and it was close to all of the possible action.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 12, 2011, 01:21:43 AM
::HelloKitty::

Re Jim Kelley. 

I don't think he has a child at the school.  I think he called in the tip because it was very very strange and it was close to all of the possible action.

This is the press report on it...This is day 3 of the search. http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/day_three_search_continues_hun.html

1:29 p.m. -- Neighbors stop by Brooks Hill Historic church, across the street from the school, to mull over the investigation. "This kind of thing is unheard of," says Jim Kelley, 50.

Kelley, who lives about a mile and a half down hill, at the end of a winding, secluded country lane off Cornelius Pass, said police, federal agents, K-9 teams and helicopters scoured the area Saturday.

"We had two odd sightings of a vehicle on our road Friday," Kelley said. Around 3 p.m., he and a neighbor reported seeing a white pick-up truck with a female driver pull to the end of the long road, idle and then turn around. Then again at 2 a.m. Saturday morning, a similar white pickup truck appeared, idled and when a neighbor loosed her dogs, eased away.

"A, it was strange to have a car there, any car there, that we didn't know, and B, it was strange to have a vehicle come down our dead-end road twice in the same day, hours after a little boy goes missing," said Kelley. "That's beyond rare."

Kelley said authorities have twice searched the deep ravine, creek and railroad tracks located near the end of his street by air and on foot.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 12, 2011, 01:24:05 AM
I totally agree! If Terri and or Dee Dee truly cared about Kyron, they would want to take the lie detector tests to get eliminated. That way LE could put their time and resources elsewhere. When are they going to be arrested already? Tick Tock!

How do we know she didn't take a lie detector? I know it was written in an article, are we sure she didn't?

Hi Tracygirl!
If Dee Dee did take a lie detector, it seems to me that she would make darn sure that it was blabbed all over the net. I have had a hinky feeling about Dee Dee for a long time. I have been wrong before, could be wrong this time.

 Sebastian, I respect your feeling but I just don't think she was involved in the crime.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 12, 2011, 01:28:45 AM
I totally agree! If Terri and or Dee Dee truly cared about Kyron, they would want to take the lie detector tests to get eliminated. That way LE could put their time and resources elsewhere. When are they going to be arrested already? Tick Tock!

How do we know she didn't take a lie detector? I know it was written in an article, are we sure she didn't?

Hi Tracygirl!
If Dee Dee did take a lie detector, it seems to me that she would make darn sure that it was blabbed all over the net. I have had a hinky feeling about Dee Dee for a long time. I have been wrong before, could be wrong this time.

 Sebastian, I respect your feeling but I just don't think she was involved in the crime.

This might tell us something.  DeDe hired a "personal injury lawyer"; not a criminal attorney.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 12, 2011, 01:30:42 AM
Picture of DAD's house on Sauvie Island - pic #9

See also, pic #8 - LEO Dobbs (officer who got shot) accepting an award - does Dobbs have reddish hair?

http://www.kgw.com/news/slideshows/Photos-Lincoln-City-police-shooting-114589564.html?gallery=y&img=8&c=y#gallery-image



Tracygirl,
When I looked up this address on google maps, I did not see a house or anything. You are much better at maps than I am though.

Do we know what street this house is on?

Well, here's the street address, but I don't know what city it's called:

Durham's address is 24510 NW Sauvie Island Road.

http://www.thechronicleonline.com/news/local_news/article_38ff104a-289f-11e0-bccb-001cc4c03286.html




Thank you!

YW - I believe this is the rest of the address:  Portland OR 97231


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 12, 2011, 01:37:11 AM
Here is the million dollar question about the Jim Kelly sighting, who was in the truck that Jim Kelly saw at about 3 that day and at 2AM on June 5th?

I don't think it was Terri and I don't think it was Dede, so who was it and does it have anything to do with this case.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on February 12, 2011, 02:11:39 AM
 ::HelloKitty::

I wonder why the person wouldn't come forward and say the she was the one on the Kelly road?

At least it would put an end to that speculation about anything to do with Kyron.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: bebecat on February 12, 2011, 03:09:32 AM
Do we really know that someone did NOT contact LE and said they were driving on that road at those times? I do remember LE saying early on that various sightings of Kyron and (I believe) vehicles, had been checked out and cleared. I know they said it about the man who said he thought he saw Kyron in a truck looking confused or something, after a near accident (who wouldn't?)

Le has been so silent, I don't take for granted anything in this case, as far as what has or hasn't been checked and ruled out.

I also think Dede is not involved in the crime, and if she knows anything, she learned it later on while staying with Terri. I know I would have been the type of friend who agreed to stay with TH and I also wouldn't want LE to listen to my conversations, but that's just me.

But just an opinion, obviously, she could well end up being charged, at least as accessory. Or it is possible neither of them will be charged.

I think Kyron really needs to be found, no matter what they say.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 12, 2011, 03:19:27 AM
::HelloKitty::

I wonder why the person wouldn't come forward and say the she was the one on the Kelly road?

At least it would put an end to that speculation about anything to do with Kyron.

I don't know, perhaps she didn't hear of the case or maybe she did come forward and we haven't heard of it? Lets face it, we are not being bombarded with information in this case. We really don't know that many facts and most of what we talk about is based on speculation, theory and secret sources.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 12, 2011, 03:42:48 AM
Hey I was polking around some of the old posts trying to find some information. I came across a couple of postings from Rob, where is he anyway?

Hey Rob if you are reading this you are missed! I hope you post again, I always enjoy reading your opinions!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Scatty on February 12, 2011, 05:03:13 AM
I totally agree! If Terri and or Dee Dee truly cared about Kyron, they would want to take the lie detector tests to get eliminated. That way LE could put their time and resources elsewhere. When are they going to be arrested already? Tick Tock!

How do we know she didn't take a lie detector? I know it was written in an article, are we sure she didn't?

I guess we don't really know for sure. It's possible she may have taken one after the article was written, but we wouldn't know about it because LE or her lawyer or DeDe haven't said. But after TJ's allegations about her refusing the LDT, she probably would have definitely gotten that message out somehow, via her friend who relayed her messages on various forums, IMO.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Scatty on February 12, 2011, 05:07:16 AM
::HelloKitty::

I wonder why the person wouldn't come forward and say the she was the one on the Kelly road?

At least it would put an end to that speculation about anything to do with Kyron.

I don't know, perhaps she didn't hear of the case or maybe she did come forward and we haven't heard of it? Lets face it, we are not being bombarded with information in this case. We really don't know that many facts and most of what we talk about is based on speculation, theory and secret sources.



Yeah, and after following the Caylee Anthony case with Florida's Sunshine laws, this case is sheer torture!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on February 12, 2011, 10:37:21 AM
 ::HelloKitty::

If Dede took the LDT and passed, we would know.  Let's  not forget, she was in People magazine so she is not shy.

She is living under a huge cloud of suspicion.  This affects her every second of life.  Whispers, stares , shuns.  No one would put up with that if they could clear their name.

don't forget about the woman who was all over the news and spent hours with LE.  Does anyone talk about her?  No----she passed an LDT so people are done with her. She was in the thick of it with TH as well. I don't mean as doing anything with Kyron.  I mean the bat phones and coming to help TH out.

If people do not know who she is, I do not want to put her name out here.  She was sleuthed a  lot on this site so the info is there.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on February 12, 2011, 11:16:09 AM
Can some kind Monkey remind me what classroom number Kyron was in please? Thanks!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: TnMuse on February 12, 2011, 01:13:28 PM
::HelloKitty::

If Dede took the LDT and passed, we would know.  Let's  not forget, she was in People magazine so she is not shy.

She is living under a huge cloud of suspicion.  This affects her every second of life.  Whispers, stares , shuns.  No one would put up with that if they could clear their name.

don't forget about the woman who was all over the news and spent hours with LE.  Does anyone talk about her?  No----she passed an LDT so people are done with her. She was in the thick of it with TH as well. I don't mean as doing anything with Kyron.  I mean the bat phones and coming to help TH out.

If people do not know who she is, I do not want to put her name out here.  She was sleuthed a  lot on this site so the info is there.



JMO from her actions, I believe that DeDe loves ANY KIND of attention. Doesn't matter if it is negative...as long as she gets it.  Case in point per her friend's postings on SM: when they knew LE was listening they made a game of it.  I believe DeDe and TH are two of a kind...ME ME ME, even at the expense of a child's life.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on February 12, 2011, 01:46:49 PM
 ::HelloKitty::

But don't you think that Dede would like to have a fun life?  Like go where you want, do what you want?  Not be whispered about as being evil and not welcome in certain situations?

And I bet TH would rather be out roaming  instead of stuck at her parents.

There are reasons for these actions and they don't have anything to do with attention-negative or positive, IMO.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on February 12, 2011, 02:02:20 PM
A bit O/T

I tried to get the post together before I had to do RL stuff today, but I haven't finished it. I'll make a concerted effort to post it by tomorrow, for Kyron.

Just a FYI and FWIW, I have become totally burnt out these last few weeks/months digging stuff up. I just can't keep doing this. After tomorrows post, I'm going to take a break. There are plenty of Monkeys here to follow up and continue searching for justice for Kyron. I just can't do it any more.

I'll finish with what I have and post it tomorrow some time.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: cw618 on February 12, 2011, 02:44:09 PM
Can some kind Monkey remind me what classroom number Kyron was in please? Thanks!

sassi i want to say clr 203,but im not absolutely pos on that

floor plans
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9317.msg1303451#msg1303451


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on February 12, 2011, 02:59:58 PM
 ::HelloKitty::

It's on here somewhere, but I think it's 215 or 213.  But I don't know either!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Brandi on February 12, 2011, 03:29:26 PM
Can some kind Monkey remind me what classroom number Kyron was in please? Thanks!

From here: http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8203.0

Blonde's post: (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/user178_pic3754_1277587645.jpg)

another post: (http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t166/ubrmel/KYRON/Maps%20KYRON/floorplanofSkylinecropped.jpg)

So my guess is 201 or 203.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Brandi on February 12, 2011, 03:41:33 PM
Sassifrass:

It was Mrs. Porter's classroom if that helps:

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/Image38-1.png)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on February 12, 2011, 03:53:03 PM
Thanks Brandi, but I'm still confused. I'm not trying to be dense. I read the below link and it's not making sense to me, if I look at the compass map too. I have to go out for a few hours, but I'll be back.

http://prairiechicken.blogspot.com/2010/06/pondering-disappearance-of-kyron-horman.html
 (http://prairiechicken.blogspot.com/2010/06/pondering-disappearance-of-kyron-horman.html)
Nora Schreiber, a Skyline parent and volunteer, said the school has three main entrances and one secure exit. Two of the doorways are near the main office and are monitored, while a third on the north side of the school is not. Kyron's classroom is adjacent to that door, which opens onto a rear parking lot.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on February 12, 2011, 04:30:36 PM
 ::HelloKitty::

here is a link to a timeline and a map that indicates Kyron's classroom which appears to be perhaps room 213?  I know the monkey s discussed it in great length on here, so maybe someone with better skills can find it?


http://www.thehinkymeter.com/Library/KH/khtimeline.pdf


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 12, 2011, 05:02:09 PM
I think Kyrons room is 217, that is the north end of the school...I have read there is a door near Kyrons room that leads out to the back end of the school. You can see the stairs on the map. I think it would be considered a fire exit.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on February 12, 2011, 05:20:25 PM
 ::HelloKitty::

Yup, Tracey.  I think it could be that room as well.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: nicubird on February 12, 2011, 05:20:52 PM
::HelloKitty::

here is a link to a timeline and a map that indicates Kyron's classroom which appears to be perhaps room 213?  I know the monkey s discussed it in great length on here, so maybe someone with better skills can find it?


http://www.thehinkymeter.com/Library/KH/khtimeline.pdf


Here is another post that indicates it may be 213

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5337818&postcount=88

Thanks Sassi for all the research you've done. I hope your break from this thread provides you a chance to refresh and recuperate.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 12, 2011, 05:28:41 PM
I think it is anyone's guess but according to what I have read, his classroom is on the north end of the building, near stairs that lead outside to the back parking lot which to me when I am looking at the map is rm 217. Rm 213 does not have stairs leading to that floor, the stairs you see I believe lead to the basement/first floor, plus if you look at the compass, rm 213 is on the south side of the building not the north.

Again, I think it is something that has not been said outright and we are all just giving it our best guess. I could be wrong, who knows. There is a pic of the stairs on the side of the building. Let me go double check if I am remembering correctly. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 12, 2011, 05:35:55 PM
::HelloKitty::

I wonder why the person wouldn't come forward and say the she was the one on the Kelly road?

At least it would put an end to that speculation about anything to do with Kyron.

I don't know, perhaps she didn't hear of the case or maybe she did come forward and we haven't heard of it? Lets face it, we are not being bombarded with information in this case. We really don't know that many facts and most of what we talk about is based on speculation, theory and secret sources.



Yeah, and after following the Caylee Anthony case with Florida's Sunshine laws, this case is sheer torture!

Scatty - you picked the perfect word for this case "torture"!  Yes, the Florida Sunshine Laws have made a difference.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: klaasend on February 12, 2011, 05:41:55 PM
Not sure of the classroom number but here is a slide show of the classroom itself:

http://www.kptv.com/slideshow/kyron-horman/23806039/detail.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 12, 2011, 05:42:27 PM
My best recollection was that Kyron's classroom had stairs right outside of it that led outside at the back of the school - at one end.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 12, 2011, 05:49:40 PM
http://s780.photobucket.com/albums/yy81/gwenabob/Skyline%20School/ (http://s780.photobucket.com/albums/yy81/gwenabob/Skyline%20School/)

Above is a link to pics I have spent a long time studying to gain a perspective of the school. Starting on pic 12 there are some great pics on that side of the school.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 12, 2011, 05:54:00 PM
http://s780.photobucket.com/albums/yy81/gwenabob/Skyline%20School/?action=view&current=SkylineSchool015.jpg#!oZZ27QQcurrentZZhttp%3A%2F%2Fs780.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fyy81%2Fgwenabob%2FSkyline%2520School%2F%3Faction%3Dview%26current%3DSkylineSchool028.jpg

This would be a pic of room 213's windows over looking the front of the school


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 12, 2011, 05:55:18 PM
Sorry why can't I get the picture link to post right? I need pic 27 not 15. sometimes computers makes my life harder. Anyway, pic #27 is a pic of room 213


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: klaasend on February 12, 2011, 05:58:32 PM
Sorry why can't I get the picture link to post right? I need pic 27 not 15. sometimes computers makes my life harder. Anyway, pic #27 is a pic of room 213

This is 27

(http://i780.photobucket.com/albums/yy81/gwenabob/Skyline%20School/SkylineSchool028.jpg)


This is 15

(http://i780.photobucket.com/albums/yy81/gwenabob/Skyline%20School/SkylineSchool015.jpg)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: klaasend on February 12, 2011, 06:00:48 PM
I would like to point out that these photos taken by the local are taken some time after Kyron went missing and after school is out for the summer.  The grass and growth around the school is likely to have grown up more than it would have been when Kyron was in school. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on February 12, 2011, 06:10:46 PM
 ::HelloKitty::

does this help?

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a371/relmeka/kyron/floorplanofSkylinecropped.jpg


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Brandi on February 12, 2011, 06:11:03 PM
Not sure of the classroom number but here is a slide show of the classroom itself:

http://www.kptv.com/slideshow/kyron-horman/23806039/detail.html

Found this there

So cute; Kyron's penmanship:

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/Image60.png)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on February 12, 2011, 06:13:28 PM
 ::HelloKitty::

a million pictures if someone is interested

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Kyron%20Horman%20%20-OR-/


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: nicubird on February 12, 2011, 06:26:49 PM
I think it is anyone's guess but according to what I have read, his classroom is on the north end of the building, near stairs that lead outside to the back parking lot which to me when I am looking at the map is rm 217. Rm 213 does not have stairs leading to that floor, the stairs you see I believe lead to the basement/first floor, plus if you look at the compass, rm 213 is on the south side of the building not the north.

Again, I think it is something that has not been said outright and we are all just giving it our best guess. I could be wrong, who knows. There is a pic of the stairs on the side of the building. Let me go double check if I am remembering correctly. 

The Skyline Handbook (pg 17) indicates that Ms. Porter's classroom is 213.

http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools/skyline/files/mskach/Parentand_StudentHandbook_2010-11.pdf


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on February 12, 2011, 06:31:38 PM
 ::HelloKitty::

this is gross, but may be of interest

Here are factors assisting SAR痴 decision on where to search for a disposal site of a victim.

From - Detection of Body Dump Sites and Clandestine Burials: a GIS -Based Landscape Approach by Hector A. Orengo

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=...Mmppr0YovkcE_Q

"1) Carrying of a corpse will necessarily require the use of a covered, motorized vehicle to the vicinity of the dump site. It has been commonly asserted that the majority of corpses have been found in close proximity to roads or parking areas (Streed 1989, in Killam 2004:17). Therefore, a search following the road network will have many more probabilities of success than a normal extensive search (Rossmo 2000:130).
2) Due to physical limitations, the usual distance covered dragging a body is about 50 ft on plain terrain (McLaughlin 1974:28, Morse et al. 1983:6). Keppel and Birnes (1995) have estimated the maximum distance to carry a body to 150 ft, even though, they agree with the 50 ft estimate as the usual distance. Following Burton (1998), Rossmo (2000:130) states that child bodies, being much lighter, can be carried for 200 ft. Of course, this will vary depending with the slope, kind of terrain, vegetation, and other factors. Effectively, 90% of the bodies are recovered downhill because it is easier for the offender to drag the victim (Sacks 1999; Hunter 1996b:92; Robbins 1977; Cherry and Angel 1977). The fact that from the road the visibility downhill is poor can be equally important regarding the offender痴 choice of going downhill.
3) Terrain slope can be also very important when the body is buried: an excessive slope will render difficult the process of digging a grave.
4) As Killam (2004:17), following Streed (1989), has noted, 澱odies are usually found off the right passenger side of the road, outbound from the city or town. That is an important clue: knowing the departure site of the offender is important in order to give priority to the passenger side of the road in body search activities.
5) Most disposal sites are located within a 30-45 minute drive from the place where the body was picked up (Streed 1989, in Killam 2004:17). As Rossmo (2000:174) has shown, those sites are located at a mean distance of 33.7 km from the crime site. Fifty percent of those were located at more than 20 km. This data shows the wider distance range of body dump sites to which, consequently, is difficult to apply distance-decay parameters.
6) Lakes, deep rivers, and canals traditionally have been disposal points (Killam 2004:16, 18). Returning to Rossmo痴 analysis (2000:175), of the 104 body dump sites considered, 20.2 % were located in rivers, lakes, or marshy areas.
7) Other places in which people are prone to hide bodies are wells, shafts, mines, or any other pre-existing hole (Killam 2004:16, 18; Levine et al. 1984)
8) It is possible to map those areas in which burial is feasible according to soil profile, land use, and underlying geology (Hunter 1996a:17 and 1996b:92).
9) Obviously, the most feasible place to look for a victim痴 body will be determined by the crime痴 particular circumstances. The first places to investigate will be the suspect痴 properties (Killam 2004:14), mainly his or her residence. For obvious reasons, residences are not included in this project. Other urban areas are regarded as having low clandestine burial potential due to the high chance of the offender to be discovered.
10) As Killam has suggested (2004:18), dump sites will be out of sight of neighboring houses, but, as bodies are usually discarded at night, they have to be easily accessible in the dark."

On #5, distance is calculated differently for child abductions. The location of the site increases as the age of the child rises.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Brandi on February 12, 2011, 06:43:32 PM
I think it is anyone's guess but according to what I have read, his classroom is on the north end of the building, near stairs that lead outside to the back parking lot which to me when I am looking at the map is rm 217. Rm 213 does not have stairs leading to that floor, the stairs you see I believe lead to the basement/first floor, plus if you look at the compass, rm 213 is on the south side of the building not the north.

Again, I think it is something that has not been said outright and we are all just giving it our best guess. I could be wrong, who knows. There is a pic of the stairs on the side of the building. Let me go double check if I am remembering correctly. 

The Skyline Handbook (pg 17) indicates that Ms. Porter's classroom is 213.

http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools/skyline/files/mskach/Parentand_StudentHandbook_2010-11.pdf

Good catch, nicubird!

Here's an image showing that from the handbook:

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/Image62-1.png)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 12, 2011, 07:02:39 PM
I think it is anyone's guess but according to what I have read, his classroom is on the north end of the building, near stairs that lead outside to the back parking lot which to me when I am looking at the map is rm 217. Rm 213 does not have stairs leading to that floor, the stairs you see I believe lead to the basement/first floor, plus if you look at the compass, rm 213 is on the south side of the building not the north.

Again, I think it is something that has not been said outright and we are all just giving it our best guess. I could be wrong, who knows. There is a pic of the stairs on the side of the building. Let me go double check if I am remembering correctly. 

The Skyline Handbook (pg 17) indicates that Ms. Porter's classroom is 213.

http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools/skyline/files/mskach/Parentand_StudentHandbook_2010-11.pdf

Good catch, nicubird!

Here's an image showing that from the handbook:

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/Image62-1.png)

Ok so the classroom seems to be #213. I dont' know how that is the north end of the school as it is in the front of the school. The north of the building is the rear of the school.  There is a pic that shows inside the school. It was taken through the glass on the side door. Do you think the short staircase leads to the first or second floor. I was thinking it lead to the first, perhaps it is the 2nd floor and there is another small stair case that leads down then?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: starwynn on February 12, 2011, 07:03:42 PM
::HelloKitty::

this is gross, but may be of interest

Here are factors assisting SAR痴 decision on where to search for a disposal site of a victim.

From - Detection of Body Dump Sites and Clandestine Burials: a GIS -Based Landscape Approach by Hector A. Orengo

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=...Mmppr0YovkcE_Q

"1) Carrying of a corpse will necessarily require the use of a covered, motorized vehicle to the vicinity of the dump site. It has been commonly asserted that the majority of corpses have been found in close proximity to roads or parking areas (Streed 1989, in Killam 2004:17). Therefore, a search following the road network will have many more probabilities of success than a normal extensive search (Rossmo 2000:130).
2) Due to physical limitations, the usual distance covered dragging a body is about 50 ft on plain terrain (McLaughlin 1974:28, Morse et al. 1983:6). Keppel and Birnes (1995) have estimated the maximum distance to carry a body to 150 ft, even though, they agree with the 50 ft estimate as the usual distance. Following Burton (1998), Rossmo (2000:130) states that child bodies, being much lighter, can be carried for 200 ft. Of course, this will vary depending with the slope, kind of terrain, vegetation, and other factors. Effectively, 90% of the bodies are recovered downhill because it is easier for the offender to drag the victim (Sacks 1999; Hunter 1996b:92; Robbins 1977; Cherry and Angel 1977). The fact that from the road the visibility downhill is poor can be equally important regarding the offender痴 choice of going downhill.
3) Terrain slope can be also very important when the body is buried: an excessive slope will render difficult the process of digging a grave.
4) As Killam (2004:17), following Streed (1989), has noted, 澱odies are usually found off the right passenger side of the road, outbound from the city or town. That is an important clue: knowing the departure site of the offender is important in order to give priority to the passenger side of the road in body search activities.
5) Most disposal sites are located within a 30-45 minute drive from the place where the body was picked up (Streed 1989, in Killam 2004:17). As Rossmo (2000:174) has shown, those sites are located at a mean distance of 33.7 km from the crime site. Fifty percent of those were located at more than 20 km. This data shows the wider distance range of body dump sites to which, consequently, is difficult to apply distance-decay parameters.
6) Lakes, deep rivers, and canals traditionally have been disposal points (Killam 2004:16, 18). Returning to Rossmo痴 analysis (2000:175), of the 104 body dump sites considered, 20.2 % were located in rivers, lakes, or marshy areas.
7) Other places in which people are prone to hide bodies are wells, shafts, mines, or any other pre-existing hole (Killam 2004:16, 18; Levine et al. 1984)
8) It is possible to map those areas in which burial is feasible according to soil profile, land use, and underlying geology (Hunter 1996a:17 and 1996b:92).
9) Obviously, the most feasible place to look for a victim痴 body will be determined by the crime痴 particular circumstances. The first places to investigate will be the suspect痴 properties (Killam 2004:14), mainly his or her residence. For obvious reasons, residences are not included in this project. Other urban areas are regarded as having low clandestine burial potential due to the high chance of the offender to be discovered.
10) As Killam has suggested (2004:18), dump sites will be out of sight of neighboring houses, but, as bodies are usually discarded at night, they have to be easily accessible in the dark."

On #5, distance is calculated differently for child abductions. The location of the site increases as the age of the child rises.



Well first, I had a nervous giggle to myself (I tend to giggle when nervous) about how we had been recently talking on another topic (Hailey Dunn) about the papers found on murders, and "what if the LE suddenly had to look at *our* interests", and this article comes into focus in my head concerning that statement - and the giggles started.  "Oh boy - that would be just lovely".

But in all honesty, for those of us seeking answers about (not glorification of) crimes, this sort of article is very very helpful, finding a look into killers' minds that we wouldn't otherwise have, one that could help SOMEone find the kids that are lost possible.

Thank you - I'm going to stop squirming around here and reread it.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: starwynn on February 12, 2011, 07:04:50 PM
Well first, I had a nervous giggle to myself (I tend to giggle when nervous) about how we had been recently talking on another topic (Hailey Dunn) about the papers found on murders, and "what if the LE suddenly had to look at *our* interests", and this article comes into focus in my head concerning that statement - and the giggles started.  "Oh boy - that would be just lovely".

But in all honesty, for those of us seeking answers about (not glorification of) crimes, this sort of article is very very helpful, finding a look into killers' minds that we wouldn't otherwise have, one that could help SOMEone find the kids that are lost possible.

Thank you - I'm going to stop squirming around here and reread it.

p.s.  Now let's just hope my boyfriend doesn't look over and see what I'm reading.  lol  Sorry, I couldn't resist; I had to say it in a Fanny-esque way.  (Miss you FannyMae!)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 12, 2011, 09:29:49 PM
Ok I am very confused, anyone else? In the group of pics there is a pic marked exit. I believe it is #46, is this in the back of the school? Then the next pic #47, it is a pic of a long hallway, which hallway is that and from what door, the one shown in #46? To me it looks like this section of pics are of the back of the school, so is this the door the one person was talking about who said the back exit is not secure?

Are we sure that the classroom assigned to the teacher this year is the same as last year? I only ask because I know I have read before it stated that Kyrons classroom was in the back of the school, not the front as 213 would be. It was also near a bathroom from what I have read. This map doesn't have bathrooms marked that I can tell, anyone else see one?

This school is so confusing because the 1st floor is acually a basement and I am not sure if the doors lead to the first or second floor. LIke the side door, does that small staircase lead to the 2nd floor and there is another small one that leads to the bottom floor? Is it a split stair case as what is in the front of the school?

When this amount of sluething needs to happen to figure out what room was Kyrons, then we know there is a huge lack of information. Got to hand it to LE, they have this case air tight.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 12, 2011, 09:34:43 PM
::HelloKitty::

this is gross, but may be of interest

Here are factors assisting SAR痴 decision on where to search for a disposal site of a victim.

From - Detection of Body Dump Sites and Clandestine Burials: a GIS -Based Landscape Approach by Hector A. Orengo

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=...Mmppr0YovkcE_Q

"1) Carrying of a corpse will necessarily require the use of a covered, motorized vehicle to the vicinity of the dump site. It has been commonly asserted that the majority of corpses have been found in close proximity to roads or parking areas (Streed 1989, in Killam 2004:17). Therefore, a search following the road network will have many more probabilities of success than a normal extensive search (Rossmo 2000:130).
2) Due to physical limitations, the usual distance covered dragging a body is about 50 ft on plain terrain (McLaughlin 1974:28, Morse et al. 1983:6). Keppel and Birnes (1995) have estimated the maximum distance to carry a body to 150 ft, even though, they agree with the 50 ft estimate as the usual distance. Following Burton (1998), Rossmo (2000:130) states that child bodies, being much lighter, can be carried for 200 ft. Of course, this will vary depending with the slope, kind of terrain, vegetation, and other factors. Effectively, 90% of the bodies are recovered downhill because it is easier for the offender to drag the victim (Sacks 1999; Hunter 1996b:92; Robbins 1977; Cherry and Angel 1977). The fact that from the road the visibility downhill is poor can be equally important regarding the offender痴 choice of going downhill.
3) Terrain slope can be also very important when the body is buried: an excessive slope will render difficult the process of digging a grave.
4) As Killam (2004:17), following Streed (1989), has noted, 澱odies are usually found off the right passenger side of the road, outbound from the city or town. That is an important clue: knowing the departure site of the offender is important in order to give priority to the passenger side of the road in body search activities.
5) Most disposal sites are located within a 30-45 minute drive from the place where the body was picked up (Streed 1989, in Killam 2004:17). As Rossmo (2000:174) has shown, those sites are located at a mean distance of 33.7 km from the crime site. Fifty percent of those were located at more than 20 km. This data shows the wider distance range of body dump sites to which, consequently, is difficult to apply distance-decay parameters.
6) Lakes, deep rivers, and canals traditionally have been disposal points (Killam 2004:16, 18). Returning to Rossmo痴 analysis (2000:175), of the 104 body dump sites considered, 20.2 % were located in rivers, lakes, or marshy areas.
7) Other places in which people are prone to hide bodies are wells, shafts, mines, or any other pre-existing hole (Killam 2004:16, 18; Levine et al. 1984)
8) It is possible to map those areas in which burial is feasible according to soil profile, land use, and underlying geology (Hunter 1996a:17 and 1996b:92).
9) Obviously, the most feasible place to look for a victim痴 body will be determined by the crime痴 particular circumstances. The first places to investigate will be the suspect痴 properties (Killam 2004:14), mainly his or her residence. For obvious reasons, residences are not included in this project. Other urban areas are regarded as having low clandestine burial potential due to the high chance of the offender to be discovered.
10) As Killam has suggested (2004:18), dump sites will be out of sight of neighboring houses, but, as bodies are usually discarded at night, they have to be easily accessible in the dark."

On #5, distance is calculated differently for child abductions. The location of the site increases as the age of the child rises.



This is interesting HK, thanks for posting.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on February 12, 2011, 09:54:56 PM
 ::HelloKitty::

It is possible that the teacher wanted to switch rooms.  She probably would be limited in terms of how far she could move as I imagine they like to keep the grades together in an area.

If it was me, I would ask for another room so that I wouldn't have to relive the nightmare daily in that room.

The room never made sense to me. I tried to search on here as I know that there was some very good maps and explanations of which room was Kyron's.  But I cannot find it on here. 

I looked under Kyron and classroom, and I didn't find it. 




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Brandi on February 12, 2011, 11:17:33 PM
This is from the school handbook from this year:

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/Image62-1.png)

This is from last year's school handbook (I saved it a long time ago):

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/Image63-1.png)

Teacher has the same room. Hope this helps.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on February 13, 2011, 01:21:37 AM
 ::HelloKitty::


That solves the room mystery.  Boy, I would want a different room.

It would be so hard to go back to that room, I would think


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 13, 2011, 02:56:54 PM
Thanks Brandi, it does help. I am going to guess the stairs that we see through that door are stairs that lead to the 2nd floor and there must be stairs that lead down to the basement. I wrote a couple of months ago I feel Kyron was taken out of that side door but I was also thinking the exit door near to his room also makes sense as I was under the impression his room was in the rear of the school. Knowing now it is rm 213 and the exit is right there, I feel stronger that he was lead out that side door. The million dollar question is, who took him?



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on February 13, 2011, 04:11:44 PM
Sorry for the long post.

First, I want to remind everyone, as always, that I make no assumptions  regarding any name in this post. I'm just throwing this out there. Lord knows we've picked every other thing apart.

It's always wracked my brain, among other things in this case, HOW , WHERE, WHY, and WHO could
have taken Kyron out of that school. How could a stranger, not affiliated with the school, just whisk Kyron away without being noticed? How did he just go poof? Was it someone he knew? How could anyone who knew Kyron, make him disappear? I needed to look at it logically , without being influenced by other opinions.

Someone had to have known the SF was going on that day, and someone had to have known the school layout. But who? Was it someone within the school? All of them have background checks, and were questioned by LE. What IF, it was someone who was associated with someone at the school?

There are 3 public exits, one is the main exit, one that goes out to the soccer field, and one that goes out to the parking area. The only exit that was not monitored, per the school, was the north exit, but that's not true. There are other exits within the school, such as the boiler room, mechanical rm, the gym, cafeteria,  exits by the back playground (one which is a handicap access ramp, another exit near rm's. 109 and 110, and also exit stairs leaving the covered playground area). The most logical exit for Kyron to be taken is the exit onto the back playground area, near rm 109 & 110. The stairs near Kyron's room go down to this area.  Rm's 109 and 110 were K/1 classes. If Kyron were going to the "electrical display", he was probably going down stairs and going to go through the double doors towards the Library. But most likely, he didn't make it through to that area.

See  http://s780.photobucket.com/albums/yy81/gwenabob/Skyline%20School/   (http://s780.photobucket.com/albums/yy81/gwenabob/Skyline%20School/)
and http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a371/relmeka/kyron/floorplanofSkylinecropped.jpg


Who could have had knowledge that this exit was unmonitored? By stating that it's unmonitored, does that mean the door can only be opened from the inside, because it's locked from the outside, as most older schools have (they have those cross bars that you have to push in order to open the door)? If that were the case, did someone use a key? Who could have a key?

Background:

Skyline Employee: William Robert Tandy (custodian)
Graduated from  Benson Polytechnic High School in 1980
http://www.classmates.com/directory/public/memberprofile/list.htm?regId=7621833277

Father: Gordon Tandy
Birth Date: 9/21/1928

Mother: JANET M TANDY 69         
Birth Date: 10 Aug 1932         
Died: 12 Jan 2002 V                 
Portland, Multnomah, OR 97203   

Previous Addresses:

57498 Cedar Creek Rd
Scappoose, OR 97056-2007

2637 N Farragut St
Portland, OR 97217-6220 (April, 1992)

10002 N Tioga Ave
Portland, OR 97203-1732 ( Gordon Current)


http://www.intelius.com/results.php?ReportType=1&qf=William&qmi=&qn=Tandy&qs=OR&trackit=74&foc

usfirst=1 (http://www.intelius.com/results.php?ReportType=1&qf=William&qmi=&qn=Tandy&qs=OR&trackit=74&foc

usfirst=1)


William Robert Tandy 48
Portland, OR

Relatives/Associates   
   
Denton E Watson
Janet M Tandy
Gordon L Tandy
Mary E Mcfadden

WILLIAM   Middle Name   R
Last Name   TANDY   Primary Address   2638 N FARRAGUT ST
City   PORTLAND   State   OR
ZIP Code   97217

First Name   DENTON   Middle Name   E
Last Name   WATSON   Primary Address   2638 N FARRAGUT ST
City   PORTLAND   State   OR
ZIP Code   97217

NOTE: Mr. Tandy & Mr. Watson share the same address and phone #.

Denton Eugene Watson: 53
Birth Date: 3/10/57

Denton Eugene Watson:
Case # 0115011
OFFENSE: BURG II

Case # CMCR 051255583DEF00001
OFFENSE: DUII

Case # CMCR 930734760DEF00001
OFFENSE: Poss Controlled Sub 1

Case # DMCR B224137DEF00001
OFFENSE: Poss LT 1 Oz Marijuana

Case # DMCR 960140375DEF00001
OFFENSE: Disorderly Conduct

Case # DMCR 960140375DEF00001
OFFENSE: Disorderly Conduct-2

Case # DMCR DA1002232DEF00001
OFFENSE:    Poss Controlled Sub 1
______________________________________________________

Now, looking at the above information, could Mr. Tandy have discussed his work at the school with Mr.
Watson? Is it possible that Mr. Watson could have made copies of Mr. Tandy's keys without his
knowledge, and entered that school? Is it possible that Kyron saw him and Mr. Watson panicked and took Kyron?

Some of the above information can be expanded on further. We've seen some post' before on SM that
have had information related to this post. Go dig! I was trying to keep this post as short as possible,
editing it many times.

And now, I'm off to a deserted Island for rest and relaxation, well, in my mind anyway.  ::MonkeyWink::

Happy Valentines Day Monkeys!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on February 13, 2011, 04:56:55 PM
 ::HelloKitty::

We would have to know what MR. watson does for a living, I feel.

I would think any school keys say< "Do not
Duplicate" on them.

I think they have to be made from a special blank.

Does the engineer have authority to make new keys or are they made only through the school district?

How does that work?  I know that in different places whre I have been, the "do no duplicate" keys involve a lot of paperwork.

But these keys do get "lost" too, I bet.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on February 13, 2011, 05:29:36 PM
::HelloKitty::

We would have to know what MR. watson does for a living, I feel.

I would think any school keys say< "Do not
Duplicate" on them.

I think they have to be made from a special blank.

Does the engineer have authority to make new keys or are they made only through the school district?

How does that work?  I know that in different places whre I have been, the "do no duplicate" keys involve a lot of paperwork.

But these keys do get "lost" too, I bet.



That's not totally correct. Every one of my maintenance guys had their own key making machines. They could duplicate master keys as well. Their not hard to buy, nor are they difficult to use.

As far as where he (Watson) works, I can't find a darn thing, as far as the internet. I couldn't find a footprint on him.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 13, 2011, 06:34:18 PM
Interesting Sass, definatly something we had not talked about before although the janitor has come up several times. 

I think as with anyone around that area there is a possibility, it is just his criminal background suggests nothing to relate to kidnapping a child however who knows what goes on in someone's head. It's interesting but since you are the one that has put in the research into this guy, perhaps posting it and leaving it up to us to pick up the ball and run with it, for me makes it difficult. I don't know if I am convinced enough to dig but I am not opposed to kicking around some idea's I suppose.

As for keys, I suppose it would be difficult to go to home depot for example and ask for a key to be made but not everyone is honest, so that is not a concern to me. Of course, he could have just taken it off the key chain and the janitor could have thought his key got lost, the school district would have to give him another one.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: klaasend on February 13, 2011, 06:35:08 PM
O/T BUT IMPORTANT FOR ALL TO READ:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9451.0


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 13, 2011, 07:41:59 PM
http://northwestportland.katu.com/news/parents-kids/kyron-hormans-mother-has-valentine-still-missing-son/438469

Kyron Horman's mother has Valentine for still-missing son
Submitted by KATU Communities Staff
Sunday, February 13th, 12:53 pmTopics: Parents & kids, People, News 10 223SharePrintE-mail..
PORTLAND, Ore. -- Supporters of the Kyron Horman search gathered Sunday at the Wall of Hope at noon to show their continued support for the missing child and his family.

This event, held near Skyline Elementary School, the school Kyron Horman's attended before he disappeared on June 4, 2010, comes two days before Sheriff Dan Staton is scheduled to present a six-month review of the investigation to the Multnomah County Commissioners.

Also on Sunday, Desiree Young, the mother of Kyron Horman, released to the media a Valentine to her missing son. In it, she wrote the following:

MORE AT LINK!
ugh it is very sad...I feel so sorry for her I can't stand it.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: klaasend on February 13, 2011, 07:53:49 PM
Thanks TG - how sad  ::MonkeyTears::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 13, 2011, 09:11:56 PM
Thanks TG - how sad  ::MonkeyTears::

I know Klaas it is sad. I hope they find him soon.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: cw618 on February 13, 2011, 11:55:15 PM
hi neighbor,i have a couple of Qs
where i show on the floor plan,stairs that go up to the stage from
off the back of the cafe, are there accessible stairs there?
and were there any SF displays in the gym that day?

i think we read some place that the boy,tanner, saw kyron on the stairs
and kyron said he was going to the cool elec display, then i read someplace
that had a pic, of tanner on the stairs,that go to the cafe, with a cap
that said, that is where tanner saw kyron, sorry no link ive looked and looked
for that link and cant find it,the stairs im talking about are the ones ive
pointed out on the floor plan

JMO, if there, were no SF display, in the gym, that is an easy way out
with out being seen, and means the perp was familiar with the school

floor plans no mark ups
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9317.msg1303451#msg1303451


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 14, 2011, 12:30:03 AM
cw would you mind please posting the entire map that large? I can't seem to get it that big and have it so clear.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 14, 2011, 12:33:07 AM
Where the heck are the bathrooms in the school?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 14, 2011, 12:36:10 AM
cw would you mind please posting the entire map that large? I can't seem to get it that big and have it so clear.

oh gosh never mind I scrolled over, lol.  ::piggy::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: cw618 on February 14, 2011, 12:47:16 AM
Where the heck are the bathrooms in the school?

 think i read, someplace that some of the restrooms are in the classroom,kind of closet like
neighbor whats the scoop the  restrooms


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: cw618 on February 14, 2011, 12:49:16 AM
Where the heck are the bathrooms in the school?

think i read, someplace that some of the restrooms are in the classroom,kind of closet like
neighbor whats the scoop the  restrooms


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: cw618 on February 14, 2011, 01:14:29 AM
i just noticed something,where i have door marked in the gym,i think that those are stairs
my mark up
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9317.msg1304001#msg1304001
new mark up stairs?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 14, 2011, 02:24:21 AM
::HelloKitty::

We would have to know what MR. watson does for a living, I feel.

I would think any school keys say< "Do not
Duplicate" on them.

I think they have to be made from a special blank.

Does the engineer have authority to make new keys or are they made only through the school district?

How does that work?  I know that in different places whre I have been, the "do no duplicate" keys involve a lot of paperwork.

But these keys do get "lost" too, I bet.



That's not totally correct. Every one of my maintenance guys had their own key making machines. They could duplicate master keys as well. Their not hard to buy, nor are they difficult to use.

As far as where he (Watson) works, I can't find a darn thing, as far as the internet. I couldn't find a footprint on him.

Sassi - TY for all the hard work - you're a good sleuther!



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 14, 2011, 03:00:34 AM



HAPPY VALENTINE'S DAY!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 14, 2011, 04:06:49 AM

     Home movies show Kyron Horman:

     http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/video/Home-movies-show-Kyron-Horman-97102679.html



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on February 14, 2011, 10:20:04 AM
 ::HelloKitty::

I wondered where the bathrooms are in that school as well.

I wonder if those little rectangles in some of the classrooms are the bathroom?

But where are there any public bathrooms?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on February 14, 2011, 11:58:37 AM
 ::HelloKitty::

Is that Valentine to Kyron what was referred as talking about the searches? 

Is there any announcements of any other talks from Desiree?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on February 14, 2011, 12:54:22 PM
http://northwestportland.katu.com/news/community-spirit/mother-kyron-horman-says-shell-never-stop-trying-find-him/438476 (http://northwestportland.katu.com/news/community-spirit/mother-kyron-horman-says-shell-never-stop-trying-find-him/438476)

Mother of Kyron Horman says she'll never stop trying to find him

 ::snipping2::

A special delivery -- 16 balloons -- eight for each year of Kyron's life and eight for the number of months he's been missing was brought to the wall. A family friend attached Young's Valentine to her son to the wall, which read: "To my Ky, Oh how I miss you so, I miss my hugs from you every day. There are times when I think I hear your voice, I turn around and you're not here."

The message of hope stays strong, but the wall itself seemed quieter Sunday. And at the wall, it is easy to see the passage of time from those first missing posters, to messages of hope from around  the country, a birthday card to Kyron, and a faded reminder from Christmas. The eight months without Kyron can be seen in each faded letter and fraying memento.

Amber Schaecher started the Wall of Hope last June. On Sunday, a Facebook invitation brought only a handful of people out to the wall. But Schaecher believes no one is forgetting the little boy who loves red-eyed tree frogs.

"And everyone is still pulling for him big time and you know I don't think people at all are forgetting him, not even a bit," Schaecher said.

Along with this collective message of hope, faith and love, one Valentine from Young to her son on the wall says it all. It reads: "Please come home to me. I don't think I can bear it without you. Love, Momma."

Young also sent a statement about the search and Kyron, but didn't want the news released until Monday morning.

The case of Horman is still baffling. The young student disappeared nearly eight-and-a-half months ago from Skyline Elementary School in Northwest Portland. His step-mother, Terri Horman, has been widely suspected in his disappearance, but she has never been named a suspect or a person of interest in the case.

Despite massive search efforts and and an external criminal investigation, no sign of the boy has ever been found. Sunday's event at the Wall of Hope comes four days before Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Station is scheduled to present a six-month review of the investigation to the Multnomah County Commissioners.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 15, 2011, 02:06:05 AM
I am thinking the bathrooms could be the rooms across from rm's 209 and 207?

One this is for certain, that is one small school. How many grades are in that school? k-8? There are only I think 14 classrooms along with the cafeteria, gym and music room? How on earth in a school that size nobody sees Kyron leaving? All of these people in that small school and he goes poof, gone....I find that strange.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on February 15, 2011, 10:42:50 AM
 ::HelloKitty::

and the way the school appears to be laid out as well.  It's not sprawling all over the place. 

He probably was seen,  but maybe nothing can be proved?  They thought it was her from almost day one.  So they must have info as to why they think that.

She lawyered up with a huge lawyer and has kept her mouth shut! in isolation.

So it could be that she was seen, but they are gathering the info?  I don't have a clue.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: monchichi on February 15, 2011, 05:40:02 PM
http://northwestportland.katu.com/news/community-spirit/mother-kyron-horman-says-shell-never-stop-trying-find-him/438476 (http://northwestportland.katu.com/news/community-spirit/mother-kyron-horman-says-shell-never-stop-trying-find-him/438476)

Mother of Kyron Horman says she'll never stop trying to find him

 ::snipping2::

A special delivery -- 16 balloons -- eight for each year of Kyron's life and eight for the number of months he's been missing was brought to the wall. A family friend attached Young's Valentine to her son to the wall, which read: "To my Ky, Oh how I miss you so, I miss my hugs from you every day. There are times when I think I hear your voice, I turn around and you're not here."

The message of hope stays strong, but the wall itself seemed quieter Sunday. And at the wall, it is easy to see the passage of time from those first missing posters, to messages of hope from around  the country, a birthday card to Kyron, and a faded reminder from Christmas. The eight months without Kyron can be seen in each faded letter and fraying memento.

Amber Schaecher started the Wall of Hope last June. On Sunday, a Facebook invitation brought only a handful of people out to the wall. But Schaecher believes no one is forgetting the little boy who loves red-eyed tree frogs.

"And everyone is still pulling for him big time and you know I don't think people at all are forgetting him, not even a bit," Schaecher said.

Along with this collective message of hope, faith and love, one Valentine from Young to her son on the wall says it all. It reads: "Please come home to me. I don't think I can bear it without you. Love, Momma."

Young also sent a statement about the search and Kyron, but didn't want the news released until Monday morning.

The case of Horman is still baffling. The young student disappeared nearly eight-and-a-half months ago from Skyline Elementary School in Northwest Portland. His step-mother, Terri Horman, has been widely suspected in his disappearance, but she has never been named a suspect or a person of interest in the case.

Despite massive search efforts and and an external criminal investigation, no sign of the boy has ever been found. Sunday's event at the Wall of Hope comes four days before Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Station is scheduled to present a six-month review of the investigation to the Multnomah County Commissioners.



Has anyone heard the statement released by Desiree yesterday morning?  I can't find anything about it anywhere.  Am I missing something?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 15, 2011, 07:21:09 PM
I must have missed it as well.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: klaasend on February 15, 2011, 08:29:32 PM
Don't miss the Dana Pretzer show tonight at 9pm ET:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2011/02/15/22540/

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4142/5449151611_9e5decbb68_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: islandmonkey on February 16, 2011, 12:04:17 AM
 ::MonkeyTears::

Desiree's Valentine to Kyron was heartbreaking.....she is a strong woman and I honestly don't know how she has made it this far, except I think she is bound and deteremined to see justice for Kyron and keep his face out there every chance she can (wonder where Kaine was and why he didn't take this opportunity to get a message out there too and have something placed at the WOH for his son).

Also, isn't it in just a few days when Staton is supposed to present the status update? I was so hoping it would be in January when we learned something/anything.

Is the divorce hearing still set for next month?? Maybe something will come out of that or at least I pray. I was so hopeful during the last search due to the fact it seemed as though it was based on concrete evidence of some type.

I know June 4th will be here so much quicker than we can imagine and if Kyron hasn't been found nor anything happening to push this case forward I just can't imagine how they are going to cope:(

Sassifrass~I enjoyed your input and I too have wondered about prior custodians or anyone who knew the layout of the school and wouldn't have looked out of place the day of the science fair, I also know how draining this case has been on you so come back soon and Godspeed lil man ::FlyingFrog::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sebastian on February 16, 2011, 11:39:48 AM
::HelloKitty::

and the way the school appears to be laid out as well.  It's not sprawling all over the place. 

He probably was seen,  but maybe nothing can be proved?  They thought it was her from almost day one.  So they must have info as to why they think that.

She lawyered up with a huge lawyer and has kept her mouth shut! in isolation.

So it could be that she was seen, but they are gathering the info?   I don't have a clue.



I sure hope that LE has more than we know Hellokitty!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Monkey King on February 17, 2011, 12:34:29 PM
Me too, Sebastian!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Shell on February 18, 2011, 04:14:17 AM
::HelloKitty::

and the way the school appears to be laid out as well.  It's not sprawling all over the place. 

He probably was seen,  but maybe nothing can be proved?  They thought it was her from almost day one.  So they must have info as to why they think that.

She lawyered up with a huge lawyer and has kept her mouth shut! in isolation.

So it could be that she was seen, but they are gathering the info?   I don't have a clue.



I sure hope that LE has more than we know Hellokitty!

I think they definitely do. They are holding out for the hard evidence.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on February 18, 2011, 10:37:53 AM
Looks like an update is scheduled for 2/24/11, from Staton.

http://www.co.multnomah.or.us/cc/WeeklyAgendaPacket/R-01_BRIEF_Kyron%20Horman%20Case/APR_Kyron%20Horman%20Briefing.pdf (http://www.co.multnomah.or.us/cc/WeeklyAgendaPacket/R-01_BRIEF_Kyron%20Horman%20Case/APR_Kyron%20Horman%20Briefing.pdf)

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Please provide sufficient background information for the Board and the public to understand this issue. Please note which Program Offer this action affects and how it impacts the results.

This is a follow up to the October 14, 2010 Board briefing regarding the Kyron Horman investigation.
The Multnomah County Sheriff痴 Office Investigations Division is leading the ongoing investigation for Kyron Horman, a 7 year old student of Skyline Elementary School who disappeared from the school on Friday, June 4, 2010. To date, the investigation has generated over 4318 leads filling 66 four inch binders. All of these leads need to be followed-up as the case continues. Detectives have subpoenaed more than 300 sets of records. Each record can generate from 10 to hundreds of pages of paper records. Additionally, detectives have identified all 490 persons and identified 54 vehicles that were present at Skyline School on June 4th, 2010.
This briefing will provide the commissioners with general background regarding the progress of the investigation and to update our investigative work plan.

 ::snipping2::

Explain any citizen and/or other government participation that has or will take place.

The initial search and investigation for Kyron Horman has to date involved over 42 agencies and continues to receive extensive local and national media coverage. The Kyron Horman Task Force has been comprised of 7 agencies including Multnomah County DA痴 Office, Federal Bureau of Investigation, Portland Police Bureau, Washington County Sheriff痴 Office, Clackamas County Sheriff痴 Office, Oregon State Police and Oregon Department of Justice. Much of the search effort has been completed by SAR volunteers certified by MCSO.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on February 18, 2011, 10:39:07 AM
Mods, could you correct date to be 2/24/11? Thanks!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on February 18, 2011, 11:37:47 AM
Looks like an update is scheduled for 2/24/11, from Staton.

http://www.co.multnomah.or.us/cc/WeeklyAgendaPacket/R-01_BRIEF_Kyron%20Horman%20Case/APR_Kyron%20Horman%20Briefing.pdf (http://www.co.multnomah.or.us/cc/WeeklyAgendaPacket/R-01_BRIEF_Kyron%20Horman%20Case/APR_Kyron%20Horman%20Briefing.pdf)

 ::snipping2::

Please provide sufficient background information for the Board and the public to understand this issue. Please note which Program Offer this action affects and how it impacts the results.

This is a follow up to the October 14, 2010 Board briefing regarding the Kyron Horman investigation.
The Multnomah County Sheriff痴 Office Investigations Division is leading the ongoing investigation for Kyron Horman, a 7 year old student of Skyline Elementary School who disappeared from the school on Friday, June 4, 2010. To date, the investigation has generated over 4318 leads filling 66 four inch binders. All of these leads need to be followed-up as the case continues. Detectives have subpoenaed more than 300 sets of records. Each record can generate from 10 to hundreds of pages of paper records. Additionally, detectives have identified all 490 persons and identified 54 vehicles that were present at Skyline School on June 4th, 2010.
This briefing will provide the commissioners with general background regarding the progress of the investigation and to update our investigative work plan.

 ::snipping2::

Explain any citizen and/or other government participation that has or will take place.

The initial search and investigation for Kyron Horman has to date involved over 42 agencies and continues to receive extensive local and national media coverage. The Kyron Horman Task Force has been comprised of 7 agencies including Multnomah County DA痴 Office, Federal Bureau of Investigation, Portland Police Bureau, Washington County Sheriff痴 Office, Clackamas County Sheriff痴 Office, Oregon State Police and Oregon Department of Justice. Much of the search effort has been completed by SAR volunteers certified by MCSO.


Sentence BBM.

This doesn't make sense. 54 cars? I went through the list and counted a potential 162 cars, assuming couples drove in the same car. How can it only be 54? I realize they probably didn't count school buses, and maybe not school employees or contractors, such as the groundskeeper, but it would still be more than 54.  :smt102


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 18, 2011, 11:44:35 AM
Looks like Stanton is set to produce a report on Kyron on February 24.

http://www.co.multnomah.or.us/cc/WeeklyAgendaPacket/R-01_BRIEF_Kyron%20Horman%20Case/APR_Kyron%20Horman%20Briefing.pdf



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on February 18, 2011, 11:56:46 AM
Looks like Stanton is set to produce a report on Kyron on February 24.

http://www.co.multnomah.or.us/cc/WeeklyAgendaPacket/R-01_BRIEF_Kyron%20Horman%20Case/APR_Kyron%20Horman%20Briefing.pdf



Isn't that what I just posted above?   ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: klaasend on February 18, 2011, 01:55:14 PM
Sass - I think you made a typo 2/14 rather than 2/24 which may be the confusion  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 18, 2011, 03:46:43 PM
54 cars? 490 people in 54 cars? I would guess that school busses brought many of the children?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on February 18, 2011, 05:45:52 PM
54 cars? 490 people in 54 cars? I would guess that school busses brought many of the children?

Hey TG!

Nope. I was just counting the adults on the "list". Of course I counted 1 car per couple. IIRC, there were 134 adult names on that list. I don't get the "54" cars.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 18, 2011, 06:46:57 PM
Looks like Stanton is set to produce a report on Kyron on February 24.

http://www.co.multnomah.or.us/cc/WeeklyAgendaPacket/R-01_BRIEF_Kyron%20Horman%20Case/APR_Kyron%20Horman%20Briefing.pdf



Isn't that what I just posted above?   ::MonkeyTongue::

Sassi - yes, it is.  I just opened Kyron's thread and posted that information while it I was reading it.  I came back later and saw that you posted it.  Sorry.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 18, 2011, 07:50:06 PM
54 cars? 490 people in 54 cars? I would guess that school busses brought many of the children?

Hey TG!

Nope. I was just counting the adults on the "list". Of course I counted 1 car per couple. IIRC, there were 134 adult names on that list. I don't get the "54" cars.

The 54 cars seems out-of-joint with the number of adults.  There would have been a number of adults that went "one to a car" (an example is Terri).



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on February 18, 2011, 07:51:32 PM
Looks like Stanton is set to produce a report on Kyron on February 24.

http://www.co.multnomah.or.us/cc/WeeklyAgendaPacket/R-01_BRIEF_Kyron%20Horman%20Case/APR_Kyron%20Horman%20Briefing.pdf



Isn't that what I just posted above?   ::MonkeyTongue::

Sassi - yes, it is.  I just opened Kyron's thread and posted that information while it I was reading it.  I came back later and saw that you posted it.  Sorry.



No worries. Klaas fixed it. It was double coverage!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on February 18, 2011, 07:55:34 PM
54 cars? 490 people in 54 cars? I would guess that school busses brought many of the children?

Hey TG!

Nope. I was just counting the adults on the "list". Of course I counted 1 car per couple. IIRC, there were 134 adult names on that list. I don't get the "54" cars.

The 54 cars seems out-of-joint with the number of adults.  There would have been a number of adults that went "one to a car" (an example is Terri).



I agree. I counted one per car, per family, from the list. It still adds up to approximately 162 cars (counting couples and family in one car).

It doesn't make sense.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on February 18, 2011, 07:59:56 PM
So, there were 29 teachers "on the list". If we take them off the total cars there, it will still be 133 cars.

That's 79 cars, not accounted for.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on February 18, 2011, 08:02:23 PM
So, there were 29 teachers "on the list". If we take them off the total cars there, it will still be 133 cars.

That's 79 cars, not accounted for.

This doesn't make sense. Who are they excluding, and why? ALL cars should be accounted for.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: monchichi on February 18, 2011, 08:07:33 PM
The way I read this, the identified all of the people, not all of the vehicles...just 54. 

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http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Sheriff-to-update-latest-on-Kyron-Horman-investigation-116491183.html

Detectives identified all 490 persons and identified 54 vehicles that were present at Skyline School on June 4th, 2010.

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Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: monchichi on February 18, 2011, 08:09:01 PM
I don't think they are saying they have identified all of the cars, which is a little odd to me, since they think they've identified everyone who is present, why can't they identify these people's cars???


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on February 18, 2011, 08:11:34 PM
So, there were 29 teachers "on the list". If we take them off the total cars there, it will still be 133 cars.

That's 79 cars, not accounted for.

Just to be the Devils advocate; if there were 54 cars, do you mean to tell me that 79 of those, on the list, were bus drivers, groundskeepers, etc., on that day? I don't believe it. Even if there were, ANY outside visitor the vehicle should, and would, be stated as such. Their vehicles should be counted, IMO, BUT, I was counting the vehicles per the list.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on February 18, 2011, 08:13:21 PM
I don't think they are saying they have identified all of the cars, which is a little odd to me, since they think they've identified everyone who is present, why can't they identify these people's cars???

I don't agree. Why would they send their report 1/2 done? They stated a specific number of vehicles.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on February 18, 2011, 08:17:56 PM
Time to make dinner.

If some Monkey could make sense of this, I would be grateful. It doesn't make sense in my mathematical mind.  :smt102


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: monchichi on February 18, 2011, 08:24:03 PM
I don't think they are saying they have identified all of the cars, which is a little odd to me, since they think they've identified everyone who is present, why can't they identify these people's cars???

I don't agree. Why would they send their report 1/2 done? They stated a specific number of vehicles.

Maybe I am being too precise but, it does not say "and all of the 54 vehicles present".  The fact that they left out the "all" wrt the vehicles, leads me to think they do not believe there were only 54 vehicles present.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: bebecat on February 18, 2011, 08:54:45 PM
I agree that 54 vehicles identified at this point can't possibly be enough for all of the people on their list. They are missing quite a few. I will never understand why they did not request a complete vehicle reconstruction the days after he went missing...ask everyone to come back to the school and park in the same place and tell exactly what time they came and left. For many months, I was imagining they had this big chart on the wall that had been filled in with all of the cars since sometime in June...that would have been the first thing to occur to me, anyway.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on February 18, 2011, 10:06:23 PM
I don't think they are saying they have identified all of the cars, which is a little odd to me, since they think they've identified everyone who is present, why can't they identify these people's cars???

I don't agree. Why would they send their report 1/2 done? They stated a specific number of vehicles.

Maybe I am being too precise but, it does not say "and all of the 54 vehicles present".  The fact that they left out the "all" wrt the vehicles, leads me to think they do not believe there were only 54 vehicles present.

No, of course they didn't say "ALL" as far as the vehicles, but why would they leave out the remainder? They are presenting information to MCB. As I've stated before, why not have a complete list?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on February 18, 2011, 10:11:19 PM
I agree that 54 vehicles identified at this point can't possibly be enough for all of the people on their list. They are missing quite a few. I will never understand why they did not request a complete vehicle reconstruction the days after he went missing...ask everyone to come back to the school and park in the same place and tell exactly what time they came and left. For many months, I was imagining they had this big chart on the wall that had been filled in with all of the cars since sometime in June...that would have been the first thing to occur to me, anyway.

ITA, and a VERY good analysis of what SHOULD have been done. I too also imagined a chart, but maybe they did have it and are leaving some things out. I can't imagine leaving details out that are being presented to the county though. This just boggles my mind. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: bebecat on February 18, 2011, 10:38:17 PM
This whole case is just mind-boggling and depressing...just watched the NG show on Susan Powell and it has been 14 months, LE "knows" who did it, but nothing...I do think he will be charged eventually, but I actually think they have a better case against JP than LE has against TH or anyone in Kyron's case. The fact that they are still talking up those thick binders and thousands of tips makes me really nervous and sad.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: cw618 on February 19, 2011, 02:07:25 AM
i think the count of 54 cars, is about right

total persons at skyline 6/4/2010=490

staff and students=315,could be off by 15 + -, i also think the majority of the students
took the bus

so, 490-315=175 guests

going with 2 to a car @ 54 cars =108

175-108=67, 2 people to a ride,unlikely some were Gparent,and students and
others walkers,live close by

taking the 67,and  putting 1/2 of the 67 in 1/2 the  cars leaves, about 2.5 people


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: cw618 on February 19, 2011, 02:16:36 AM
i think the count of 54 cars, is about right

total persons at skyline 6/4/2010=490

staff and students=315,could be off by 15 + -, i also think the majority of the students
took the bus

so, 490-315=175 guests

going with 2 to a car @ 54 cars =108

175-108=67, 2 people to a ride,unlikely some were Gparent,and students and
others walkers,live close by

taking the 67,and  putting 1/2 of the 67 in 1/2 the  cars leaves, about 2.5 people

i forgot to say i think the le, are only counting the guests cars, prob bc everyone else, was accounted for,
for the whole day,staff and students


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on February 19, 2011, 10:24:17 AM
CW, I respectfully disagree. If you go to the skyline list, http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9183.0 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9183.0) ,  and remove the minor children, there is a total of 198 Adults. Out of those adults, 20 of them are staff, that were on the list.

After I counted couples as one car, it came to 162 cars. If you take out the teachers that were on the list, it would be 142 cars. There is of course a small margin of error in my calculation, because a few may have been relatives of the parents that were there, but it would be small.

As I stated upthread, I understand that outside contractors may not have been counted in the number of cars, along with staff, but I'm still missing approximately 88 cars.

Below is a list of teachers for the 2009/2010 school year and the teachers that were NOT on the list.


Skyline Elementary School Staff for the 2009 -2010 year

Ben Keefer - principal
Susan Hall - principals sec.
Scott McBeth K/1
Mrs. Easter Matthews K/1
Mrs Linda Cole  K/1
karen Hanson  2/3
Kristina Porter  2/3
Melissa Ritter 2/3
Jessica Bostick 4/5
Vivian Covin 4/5
Jill Kooning 4/5 (NOT THERE IN 2010-2011)
Brian Gardes  lang arts/soc studies 6/7/8
Katrina Frischmann Math/Sci 6/7/8
Paul Mastin math/ lang arts 6/7/8 (NOT THERE IN 2010-2011)
Mrs. Skach lib/tech
pe= mrs Joanne Romanaggi
ms. stephanie Cox - counselor
kenny Moylan head custodian
vickie Ibarra Evening custodian
Diane jones= cafeteria manager
Lou Terrones= resource teacher
Amy Kasch  lang. pathologist
Nancy Yates - school psychologist (NOT THERE IN 2010-2011)
Mark Valeske - occ therapist
Alayna Pettingill  para educator
Tersea Gonzales  para educator
Robert Salvia    para educator (NOT THERE IN 2010-2011)
Deborah Meskimen  para educator


**************************************************************
Teachers not on the list:

pe= mrs Joanne Romanaggi
ms. stephanie Cox - counselor
kenny Moylan head custodian
vickie Ibarra Evening custodian
Lou Terrones= resource teacher
Nancy Yates - school psychologist
Robert Salvia    para educator
Mrs. Skach lib/tech


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: cw618 on February 19, 2011, 01:24:13 PM
sassi i went back over the count with the fact figures
your right count is way off
the kids that were bussed are not countable on that list

just dealing with the list...
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9183.0

total on the list is 213
40 sets of surnames,=40 cars and 88 individuals
that leaves 14 cars,and i dont think the count of the 54 autos
includes the staffs cars
i counted 16 staff on the list

213-88=125-16=109

so that leaves 109 individuals and 14 cars

109-14cars=95 individuals that need a car

even if you take 10 walkers,and 10 on bicycles
off the list thats 95-20=75,without a car
we could throw in another 10 that were dropped off and picked up
and that still leaves 65, without a ride

if the 54 count of autos,was not a typo,im not sure what that would mean
other than people saying they were there, but really  had not been there
i dont know why 65 people would say that though
or 65 people by my count,did not show up to fill out the form on sunday and sat
and the LE used only the ones, that showed up as a count of vehicles,im going
to have to think that thought trough a little more,thats crazy and scary

ADULTS AND NON-STUDENT CHILDREN AT SKYLINE SCHOOL BETWEEN 8-12 on JUNE 4, 2010



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: monchichi on February 19, 2011, 04:21:36 PM
I just read on twitter that Desiree will be handing out fliers in Terri's neighborhood in Roseburg.  They say it will be on Fox12 at 5pm. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 19, 2011, 05:52:56 PM
Totally staying out of the math stuff. That statement can be read both ways in my opinion. I am leaning on they have identified 54 cars there that day, if there were more, they don't know or don't know who they belong to.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 19, 2011, 05:59:37 PM
I just read on twitter that Desiree will be handing out fliers in Terri's neighborhood in Roseburg.  They say it will be on Fox12 at 5pm. 

Awesome! WTG Desiree! I love when the parents stand up and take action like this. I admire her so much.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 19, 2011, 07:02:19 PM
I just read on twitter that Desiree will be handing out fliers in Terri's neighborhood in Roseburg.  They say it will be on Fox12 at 5pm. 

Awesome! WTG Desiree! I love when the parents stand up and take action like this. I admire her so much.

Agree.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 19, 2011, 08:11:23 PM
sassi i went back over the count with the fact figures
your right count is way off
the kids that were bussed are not countable on that list

just dealing with the list...
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9183.0

total on the list is 213
40 sets of surnames,=40 cars and 88 individuals
that leaves 14 cars,and i dont think the count of the 54 autos
includes the staffs cars
i counted 16 staff on the list

213-88=125-16=109

so that leaves 109 individuals and 14 cars

109-14cars=95 individuals that need a car

even if you take 10 walkers,and 10 on bicycles
off the list thats 95-20=75,without a car
we could throw in another 10 that were dropped off and picked up
and that still leaves 65, without a ride

if the 54 count of autos,was not a typo,im not sure what that would mean
other than people saying they were there, but really  had not been there
i dont know why 65 people would say that though
or 65 people by my count,did not show up to fill out the form on sunday and sat
and the LE used only the ones, that showed up as a count of vehicles,im going
to have to think that thought trough a little more,thats crazy and scary

ADULTS AND NON-STUDENT CHILDREN AT SKYLINE SCHOOL BETWEEN 8-12 on JUNE 4, 2010



wait I think I misread what you are saying. Are you agreeing that there are not enough cars for the people stated?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 19, 2011, 08:24:11 PM
http://www.nwcn.com/home/?fId=116540373&fPath=/news/local&fDomain=10202

Kyron's Mother: I believe he is dead and Terri is responsible

by Colin Miner, KGW Staff
NWCN.com
Posted on February 19, 2011 at 5:16 PM
Updated today at 5:18 PM

snipped:
Background: Search for Kyron Horman

"It's not right that Terri gets to have a free life while my son is missing," Young said. "There's only one person that knows where Kyron is and when you see her, you need to ask where he is."
Young was in Roseburg, Oregon, where Moulton-Horman has lived with her parents since her husband filed for divorce weeks after Kyron's disappearance.

展e are putting the pressure on Terri, Young told KGW. 展e are bringing it to her. She needs to know we will not rest until Kyron is brought home.




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Brandi on February 19, 2011, 09:16:38 PM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/110219_kyron_terri_flier.jpg)

Kyron痴 mom wants stepmother out of her comfort zone

<snipped>

Young asked people who live in Roseburg to confront Terri Horman at the grocery store, on the street or at the gas station and ask her, 展here is Kyron?

Young has said she feels Horman knows something about Kyron痴 disappearance and said, while her son has been missing for over eight months, his stepmother has been able to hand out candy to kids on Halloween and enjoy Christmas.

適yron痴 story is not one of a child that wandered away from his school or was abducted by a stranger, Young said. 的t was somebody who was brought into our family. ... There is one person that knows where he is: Terri Horman, where is Kyron?

Fliers went up around Roseburg Saturday, asking people to remember Kyron and encouraging the public to ask Terri Horman where he is when they see her.

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http://www.katu.com/news/local/116543823.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: monchichi on February 19, 2011, 10:14:34 PM
http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/local/story/Kyrons-mother-believes-her-son-is-dead/gwY3Bc0qH0yO2GEbwwrXWg.cspx

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But she also said, for the first time, that she believes Kyron is dead. As recently as February 14, she released an open Valentine's Day message to Kyron, saying "God is looking over you and protecting you until I get there, so be brave, I am coming." She added that "I know that we are getting closer every day, I dream about finding you and I know they will bring you home."
 ::snipping2::

::MonkeyTears::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: monchichi on February 19, 2011, 10:19:41 PM
 ::snipping2::

The Multnomah County Sheriff is scheduled to give details on the state of the investigation next week.

 

But Young says she doesn't expect police to name Terri as a suspect at that point.

http://kezi.com/news/local/204959
 ::snipping2::
Well, I guess that's how most of us feel, too.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 19, 2011, 10:47:52 PM
Police increase patrols in Scappoose after attempted abduction

http://www.katu.com/news/local/116517498.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: monchichi on February 19, 2011, 11:32:29 PM
::snipping2::

The Multnomah County Sheriff is scheduled to give details on the state of the investigation next week.

 

But Young says she doesn't expect police to name Terri as a suspect at that point.

http://kezi.com/news/local/204959
 ::snipping2::
Well, I guess that's how most of us feel, too.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Here is another quote from Desiree, this one more optimistic...

http://www.kptv.com/news/26928571/detail.html
-------------------------------------------------------------------snipped-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Multnomah County Sheriff痴 Office has not revealed details of the investigation, but the Sheriff is expected to update commissioners next week. Young said Saturday that she痴 confident in the investigation, but said it痴 time to name a suspect.

展e池e confident that what they池e doing is all the right stuff, and every bit of information we致e gotten from them has reassured us of that, said Young, but added she believes it痴 time to name a suspect.

展e have overwhelming evidence, said Young.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: invision on February 20, 2011, 12:37:43 AM
Anna Canzano, Desiree Horman just told KATU News she absolutely does NOT believe Kyron is dead, despite what another agency is reporting. We'll have her actions today in Roseburg at 6.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Hailey-Dunn-Open-Discussion/189599337718905?v=wall#!/pages/Missing-Kyron-Horman/125336750831264


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 20, 2011, 01:21:47 AM
I hope they do name a suspect(s) soon and a bit of details on what they think may have happened.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 20, 2011, 01:25:01 AM
There was talk about this man on Blinks, thank god they found him.

http://www.kptv.com/news/26895844/detail.html

Former Beaverton Teacher Caught By U.S. Marshals

POSTED: 10:35 pm PST February 16, 2011
UPDATED: 9:18 pm PST February 19, 2011

PORTLAND, Ore. -- Multiple law enforcement agencies, including the U.S. Marshals and Interpol, now have their man.

U.S. Marshals arrested Logan Storm, 35, at Portland International Aiport Saturday. The former Beaverton School District teacher was booked on 30 counts of child pornography charges and is being held in the Multnomah County Jail, U.S. Marshals said.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 20, 2011, 01:32:27 AM
Check out the video, listening to Desiree gives me chills. I think after listening to this, I am coming off my comfortable place on the fence. There is something to her accusations, I can hear it in her voice and see it in her eyes. She said something about they now know the "why"....OMG Terri did do this, didn't she..I feel sick right now, just sick.

http://www.kptv.com/news/26928571/detail.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: invision on February 20, 2011, 01:59:40 AM
Check out the video, listening to Desiree gives me chills. I think after listening to this, I am coming off my comfortable place on the fence. There is something to her accusations, I can hear it in her voice and see it in her eyes. She said something about they now know the "why"....OMG Terri did do this, didn't she..I feel sick right now, just sick.

http://www.kptv.com/news/26928571/detail.html

Desiree said   "I know horrifying things about her ... about my son specifically"   ::MonkeyShocked::   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 20, 2011, 02:03:39 AM
Check out the video, listening to Desiree gives me chills. I think after listening to this, I am coming off my comfortable place on the fence. There is something to her accusations, I can hear it in her voice and see it in her eyes. She said something about they now know the "why"....OMG Terri did do this, didn't she..I feel sick right now, just sick.

http://www.kptv.com/news/26928571/detail.html

Desiree said   "I know horrifying things about her ... about my son specifically"   ::MonkeyShocked::   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I know her press conference was really something. What on earth did they uncover that was horrifying to Desiree? What did Kyron go through? What happened that morning? That part about with the evidence they now have, they know the why..That to me was chilling.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 20, 2011, 02:11:31 AM
Check out the video, listening to Desiree gives me chills. I think after listening to this, I am coming off my comfortable place on the fence. There is something to her accusations, I can hear it in her voice and see it in her eyes. She said something about they now know the "why"....OMG Terri did do this, didn't she..I feel sick right now, just sick.

http://www.kptv.com/news/26928571/detail.html

Yes, the last two times Desiree has spoken with a new conviction. (Since the lunch she had with Staton before Thanksgiving).

I hope Staton "names" a suspect.

The "why" - would that be (something Desiree said last time) about an email of Terri's saying the Kryon was responsible for troubles in her marriage?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 20, 2011, 02:27:05 AM
IMO this was a briliant move by Desiree - "taking it to Terri in her comfort zone".  I really give her, Tony and their friends credit on this one!

Staton - my gosh...if that man has the evidence, he really needs to name a suspect. 

If he doesn't have the evidence, then he needs to tell the public that and why not - because he's obviously telling Desiree he has the evidence. 

So, name the suspect(s)!



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 20, 2011, 03:31:38 AM
Yea i agree he does need to name suspects already. This was a smart move by Desiree, I am glad she did it. I think it shows that she is not going to back down until she finds her boy. The person(s) responsible better just spill the beans because I think Desiree is coming after them. Nothing like a mama bear, don't mess with a mama bear.

What about all of this will surprise us? Perhaps a detail about it all, perhaps the "why" will surprise all of us.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 20, 2011, 04:38:12 AM
Ah, yes...one of the few things that Staton told us was that we would be surprised.  Also, that LE knew things they wish they didn't know.  What is that....I'm assuming they'd want to know about what happened to Kyron...so wonder what it is?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on February 20, 2011, 08:02:23 AM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/110219_kyron_terri_flier.jpg)

Kyron痴 mom wants stepmother out of her comfort zone

<snipped>

Young asked people who live in Roseburg to confront Terri Horman at the grocery store, on the street or at the gas station and ask her, 展here is Kyron?

Young has said she feels Horman knows something about Kyron痴 disappearance and said, while her son has been missing for over eight months, his stepmother has been able to hand out candy to kids on Halloween and enjoy Christmas.

適yron痴 story is not one of a child that wandered away from his school or was abducted by a stranger, Young said. 的t was somebody who was brought into our family. ... There is one person that knows where he is: Terri Horman, where is Kyron?

Fliers went up around Roseburg Saturday, asking people to remember Kyron and encouraging the public to ask Terri Horman where he is when they see her.

<snipped>
http://www.katu.com/news/local/116543823.html

BBM

This is a very powerful statement by Desiree. She knows this was NOT some nut job pedo stranger who just walked in and took Kyron.

Also, her courage and drive, handing out fliers and telling people to ask her "where is Kyron", when they see the chubby squirrel out and about in the neighborhood, is just plain brilliant. 

Bravo Desiree!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on February 20, 2011, 08:06:36 AM
Check out the video, listening to Desiree gives me chills. I think after listening to this, I am coming off my comfortable place on the fence. There is something to her accusations, I can hear it in her voice and see it in her eyes. She said something about they now know the "why"....OMG Terri did do this, didn't she..I feel sick right now, just sick.

http://www.kptv.com/news/26928571/detail.html

BBM

Glad to see it TG.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on February 20, 2011, 08:18:23 AM
Check out the video, listening to Desiree gives me chills. I think after listening to this, I am coming off my comfortable place on the fence. There is something to her accusations, I can hear it in her voice and see it in her eyes. She said something about they now know the "why"....OMG Terri did do this, didn't she..I feel sick right now, just sick.

http://www.kptv.com/news/26928571/detail.html

Desiree said   "I know horrifying things about her ... about my son specifically"   ::MonkeyShocked::   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I know her press conference was really something. What on earth did they uncover that was horrifying to Desiree? What did Kyron go through? What happened that morning? That part about with the evidence they now have, they know the why..That to me was chilling.

I agree, it is chilling. As far as I'm concerned, there is no "over the top" or "out of bounds" speculation or informational digging, when it comes to TH.

I loved those sweat shirt jackets they wore, with Kyrons and Terri's face on them!  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 20, 2011, 08:39:42 AM
I think there was more strategy in Saturday痴 trip to Roseburg by Desiree, Tony and friends to put up flyers and posters and to knock on the Moulton痴 front door of their home to oust Terri out of her comfort zone. 

Remember back to the end of January, when all of a sudden LE is doing a search on the mountain for all things Kyron and Desiree made a public statement that she was excited about this search.  We thought that was odd wording.   Then we learned that Desiree had learned way back before Thanksgiving that LE had new, solid evidence and they were going to search the mountain area as soon as the weather warmed up.  Also, on the day of the search, LE was very confident in their search and their solid evidence.

Also recall that about the same time, Staton let it out that his February 1 report would not be presented until late February, that he was not planning on asking for any more money for the case and he even was making a decision as to whether he would continue on with the Task Force full-time.

I believe that Desiree was excited because she壇 been waiting for 2 ス months for warm day and it was finally here.searchers were going to look for her sonLE had solid evidence.Desiree said she wanted closure.  That didn稚 happen.  The evidence doesn稚 appear to have been so solid after all.  However, LE had told Desiree it was and she lived for a warm day.
 
I also believe that Desiree, like many of us, may have looked at Staton痴 late report, not asking for more funds and maybe cutting the Task Force to part-time as not good.

I can see where all of this would make Desiree angry: Terri痴 in a comfort zone, while Kyron痴 still missing; LE looks like they池e cutting back on the time, money and efforts on finding Kyron.
 
Part of her statement Saturday was if no one痴 going to do this, who will.  The 努ho will part, IMO, was a little sarcastic matter of fact I致e got to do this myself.  So, I知 thinking that Saturday痴 actions were done to force hands:  Terri痴 hand make her uncomfortable make her tell where Kyron is, etc.; and Staton痴 hand make him uncomfortable make him name a suspect make him not give up on finding Kyron, etc.

Desiree says there is overwhelming evidence and she would have gotten that information from Staton.  If that痴 so, then why hasn稚 Staton made an arrest?




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 20, 2011, 08:59:32 AM
Yea i agree he does need to name suspects already. This was a smart move by Desiree, I am glad she did it. I think it shows that she is not going to back down until she finds her boy. The person(s) responsible better just spill the beans because I think Desiree is coming after them. Nothing like a mama bear, don't mess with a mama bear.

What about all of this will surprise us? Perhaps a detail about it all, perhaps the "why" will surprise all of us.

I think Desiree put both Terri and LE "on notice" that she's not backing down.
Also, she let the rest of us know that there's "overwhelming evidence".  Thumb in Staton's eye, IMO.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: melisb on February 20, 2011, 09:21:37 AM
Morning Puzz...I also see this saying, if I don't who will, kind of a really big dig to Kaine!  What's up with him lately?  Why no face time, why not support Ky's Mom in looking for him?  Why isn't he looking?  Could it be that he is positive he is dead and doesn't see any need to continue?  I dunno, why not help DY pressure Terri?  What's up with that?  God Bless little Kyron may he be found soon and brought home to his Momma!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 20, 2011, 09:45:50 AM
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/kyron-horman-12959259


Desiree on GMA today.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: 4 Donks on February 20, 2011, 10:05:45 AM
I had a conversation with some friends that don't follow this case on anything but TV news and their take surprised me. To begin with they were disgusted that a police officer was involved in stalking and harassing a citizen that isn't even named a person of interest and thought that a restraining order should be issued against the bio mom and her husband. They believe that TH has been hounded by this family on their interpretation of unverified inside info and whatever happened to the presumption of innocence. I was just amazed.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: klaasend on February 20, 2011, 12:46:23 PM
http://www.katu.com/news/local/116543823.html

Kyron痴 mom wants stepmother out of her comfort zone
By Margy Lynch KATU News and KATU.com Staff

(http://media.katu.com/images/110219_ask_terri_poster.jpg)

ROSEBURG, Ore. - The mother of missing 8-year-old Kyron Horman said Saturday she痴 tired of the boy痴 stepmother living 田omfortably and asked the public to make her uncomfortable.

Desiree Young could have gotten more media exposure if she had held her news conference in Portland or at Kyron痴 elementary school, but the mother of the missing boy said she wanted to make a point in the town Terri Horman has lived since moving there in July.

Young asked people who live in Roseburg to confront Terri Horman at the grocery store, on the street or at the gas station.

展e ask any time you see Terri, ask her, 糎here痴 Kyron?樗
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: klaasend on February 20, 2011, 12:51:44 PM
http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/Kyron-Hormans-mother-puts-pressure-116540373.html

"It's not right that Terri gets to have a free life while my son is missing,"

by KGW Staff
Posted on February 19, 2011 at 3:30 PM
Updated today at 9:37 AM




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 20, 2011, 01:00:46 PM
There's no doubt in my mind that Desiree has put a lot of pressure on Staton to make a move this week.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on February 20, 2011, 01:15:10 PM
Don't you think this is an odd email to be sent by TH's father a month and a half after his grandson went missing, and the day KH moved out of the house? Why were they looking for that information? Shouldn't they have been concentrating on their grandson and their daughter?

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/WA-CEMETERIES/2010-07/1280423237 (http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/WA-CEMETERIES/2010-07/1280423237)

Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 9:58 PM
To: wa-cemeteries-l@rootsweb.com
Subject: [WA-CEMETERIES] (no subject)


Dear Sirs:
We are looking for Elizabeth Todd's final resting place with a date of death and possibly other information on her. She was married to Frank H. Todd when he was murdered in Hoquiam, Washington on 8/31/1907 or 9/1/1907. Frank Todd is buried in Sunset Memorial Park for the City of Hoquiam, Grays Harbor Co. in the state of Washington. We assume that Elizabeth died in Washington state.
 ::snipping2::
Edit - snip  MB


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 20, 2011, 01:23:36 PM
Don't you think this is an odd email to be sent by TH's father a month and a half after his grandson went missing, and the day KH moved out of the house? Why were they looking for that information? Shouldn't they have been concentrating on their grandson and their daughter?

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/WA-CEMETERIES/2010-07/1280423237 (http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/WA-CEMETERIES/2010-07/1280423237)

Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 9:58 PM
To: wa-cemeteries-l@rootsweb.com
Subject: [WA-CEMETERIES] (no subject)


Dear Sirs:
We are looking for Elizabeth Todd's final resting place with a date of death and possibly other information on her. She was married to Frank H. Todd when he was murdered in Hoquiam, Washington on 8/31/1907 or 9/1/1907. Frank Todd is buried in Sunset Memorial Park for the City of Hoquiam, Grays Harbor Co. in the state of Washington. We assume that Elizabeth died in Washington state.
Edit - snip  MB

Maybe he didn't know about KH having moved out at the time he's writing this letter.  Maybe Mr. Moulton was trying to do something to occupy his time.  Looks like he's been working on a family tree for quite a while.  I don't see anything wrong with it myself.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on February 20, 2011, 01:30:58 PM
Don't you think this is an odd email to be sent by TH's father a month and a half after his grandson went missing, and the day KH moved out of the house? Why were they looking for that information? Shouldn't they have been concentrating on their grandson and their daughter?

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/WA-CEMETERIES/2010-07/1280423237 (http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/WA-CEMETERIES/2010-07/1280423237)

Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 9:58 PM
To: wa-cemeteries-l@rootsweb.com
Subject: [WA-CEMETERIES] (no subject)


Dear Sirs:
We are looking for Elizabeth Todd's final resting place with a date of death and possibly other information on her. She was married to Frank H. Todd when he was murdered in Hoquiam, Washington on 8/31/1907 or 9/1/1907. Frank Todd is buried in Sunset Memorial Park for the City of Hoquiam, Grays Harbor Co. in the state of Washington. We assume that Elizabeth died in Washington state.
Edit -snip MB

Maybe he didn't know about KH having moved out at the time he's writing this letter.  Maybe Mr. Moulton was trying to do something to occupy his time.  Looks like he's been working on a family tree for quite a while.  I don't see anything wrong with it myself.



Yeah, I guess you're right Puzzler. I was trying to locate info to for a question one of the blinksters asked, and saw this. Thanks for setting me straight my friend.  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: bebecat on February 20, 2011, 02:41:43 PM
People can question TH until they are blue in the face, do they really expect a reply? Does Desiree? I know she feels she has to do something but I do hope she is not counting on anything shaking loose from her plan. It won't happen.

As far as saying how much evidence they have, I get the feeling this is Desiree's interpretation; she herself has a ton of evidence against Terri as she has months to build it, going back 7 years. Maybe LE is telling her they can't really move until Kyron is found. I can see where that would be the most frustrating of all.

But her statement doesn't make sense when she says if Terri would just tell what happened, she could clear herself. Huh? If Terri knows and tells what happened to Kyron, she goes right to jail.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on February 20, 2011, 02:59:16 PM
People can question TH until they are blue in the face, do they really expect a reply? Does Desiree? I know she feels she has to do something but I do hope she is not counting on anything shaking loose from her plan. It won't happen.

As far as saying how much evidence they have, I get the feeling this is Desiree's interpretation; she herself has a ton of evidence against Terri as she has months to build it, going back 7 years. Maybe LE is telling her they can't really move until Kyron is found. I can see where that would be the most frustrating of all.

But her statement doesn't make sense when she says if Terri would just tell what happened, she could clear herself. Huh? If Terri knows and tells what happened to Kyron, she goes right to jail.

I totally don't agree with you bebe. Desiree has  stated she is basing it on the info that LE showed her, and I haven't seen ANY statement that she has made where she says " if Terri would just tell what happened, she could clear herself." I would be happy to see a link to that.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 20, 2011, 02:59:37 PM
I had a conversation with some friends that don't follow this case on anything but TV news and their take surprised me. To begin with they were disgusted that a police officer was involved in stalking and harassing a citizen that isn't even named a person of interest and thought that a restraining order should be issued against the bio mom and her husband. They believe that TH has been hounded by this family on their interpretation of unverified inside info and whatever happened to the presumption of innocence. I was just amazed.

I so strongly disagree with the opinion that Desiree is over stepping boundaries and Tony has no place in helping. I think Terri is lucky she is still on this side of the soil to be honest with you. I think Desiree has shown great restraint with a person she believes has hurt her son. I applaud this move by Desiree, she is standing up for her boy and trying to find him. This is something coming from me, but I don't give a rats bottom if Terri's feelings get hurt. In my opinion, she should open the door and have a conversation with Desiree. She is hiding behind her lawyer...
Off to listen to the ABC interview


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 20, 2011, 03:14:13 PM
Her message to Terri was strong and to the point. I am seeing a bit of Amber's mother Carrie, coming out in Desiree, thats great. I am equally happy that Desiree will hopefully put pressure on LE to get this done.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on February 20, 2011, 03:22:41 PM
I had a conversation with some friends that don't follow this case on anything but TV news and their take surprised me. To begin with they were disgusted that a police officer was involved in stalking and harassing a citizen that isn't even named a person of interest and thought that a restraining order should be issued against the bio mom and her husband. They believe that TH has been hounded by this family on their interpretation of unverified inside info and whatever happened to the presumption of innocence. I was just amazed.

I so strongly disagree with the opinion that Desiree is over stepping boundaries and Tony has no place in helping. I think Terri is lucky she is still on this side of the soil to be honest with you. I think Desiree has shown great restraint with a person she believes has hurt her son. I applaud this move by Desiree, she is standing up for her boy and trying to find him. This is something coming from me, but I don't give a rats bottom if Terri's feelings get hurt. In my opinion, she should open the door and have a conversation with Desiree. She is hiding behind her lawyer...
Off to listen to the ABC interview

I couldn't have said it better TG!  ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: bebecat on February 20, 2011, 03:42:28 PM
http://www.ktvl.com/news/horman-1198811-mother-young.html

Here Desiree says that Terri is more than welcome to clear herself...but how could she, in Desiree's eyes? Even if TH somehow took and passed a LD test at this point, I don't think DY would ever believe her. I wonder how Desiree thinks TH could clear herself to Desiree's satisfaction?

Not that I think TH will ever take another polygraph...but I also don't think she could ever clear herself in D's eyes, unless possibly if some other unrelated person is eventually found to have taken Kyron and I don't think there is much chance of that happening.
http://kdrv.com/news/local/204957

"...tell me where Kyron is, tell me what you've done and clear yourself"

This is the sentence from the kdrv link that does not make sense to me...how can Terri tell where Kyron is and what she's done and yet clear herself?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 20, 2011, 03:47:57 PM
There is some speculation that Terri moved Kyrons body. Apparently a blog writter was told that by a source. I would think if they had that knowledge then LE would have arrested Terri for tampering with evidence.  Tracygirl, do you have links back to this? Muffy

I will say there is more to the story then Terri hating Kyron and she killed him that morning. I think there is a back story that will be eventually come out that will surprise us. Something happened along the way that led to this. Desiree should leak it some how, I think the truth coming out will put extra pressure on Terri and whoever else to tell the truth. right now there is plenty of room for doubt, take that away and they have nothing left.

I have to add, I can't believe Terri was handing out candy on halloween and going to bars! WTh? Really? She is comfortable if parents are bringing their children to her door and she is able to go out in public. I suppose the news hasn't carried much about this story in Roseburg? I know that Kyron could be living in a house in my neighborhood and nobody would know the difference. Unless you watch the morning shows or nancy grace you wouldn't know about him.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 20, 2011, 03:54:52 PM
http://www.ktvl.com/news/horman-1198811-mother-young.html

Here Desiree says that Terri is more than welcome to clear herself...but how could she, in Desiree's eyes? Even if TH somehow took and passed a LD test at this point, I don't think DY would ever believe her. I wonder how Desiree thinks TH could clear herself to Desiree's satisfaction?

Not that I think TH will ever take another polygraph...but I also don't think she could ever clear herself in D's eyes, unless possibly if some other unrelated person is eventually found to have taken Kyron and I don't think there is much chance of that happening.
http://kdrv.com/news/local/204957

"...tell me where Kyron is, tell me what you've done and clear yourself"

This is the sentence from the kdrv link that does not make sense to me...how can Terri tell where Kyron is and what she's done and yet clear herself?

I don't know it is an interesting statement. There is some speculation (rumor)that Terri moved Kyrons body, perhaps it is thought someone else killed him and terri helped to cover it up by moving him or cleaning the area?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 20, 2011, 03:56:03 PM
I had a conversation with some friends that don't follow this case on anything but TV news and their take surprised me. To begin with they were disgusted that a police officer was involved in stalking and harassing a citizen that isn't even named a person of interest and thought that a restraining order should be issued against the bio mom and her husband. They believe that TH has been hounded by this family on their interpretation of unverified inside info and whatever happened to the presumption of innocence. I was just amazed.

I so strongly disagree with the opinion that Desiree is over stepping boundaries and Tony has no place in helping. I think Terri is lucky she is still on this side of the soil to be honest with you. I think Desiree has shown great restraint with a person she believes has hurt her son. I applaud this move by Desiree, she is standing up for her boy and trying to find him. This is something coming from me, but I don't give a rats bottom if Terri's feelings get hurt. In my opinion, she should open the door and have a conversation with Desiree. She is hiding behind her lawyer...
Off to listen to the ABC interview

I couldn't have said it better TG!  ::MonkeySlide::

Its a bit strange to get cheers on this thread, lol.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: bebecat on February 20, 2011, 04:07:22 PM
If Terri knows anything about Kyron or his whereabouts...she cannot "clear herself". I think Desiree was just over-emotional when she spoke about that. If Terri knows anything, she has at the very least participated in a murderand/or kidnapping, so she won't be coming forward to talk to Desiree.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 20, 2011, 04:14:35 PM
There is some speculation that Terri moved Kyrons body. Apparently a blog writter was told that by a source. I would think if they had that knowledge then LE would have arrested Terri for tampering with evidence.

I will say there is more to the story then Terri hating Kyron and she killed him that morning. I think there is a back story that will be eventually come out that will surprise us. Something happened along the way that led to this. Desiree should leak it some how, I think the truth coming out will put extra pressure on Terri and whoever else to tell the truth. right now there is plenty of room for doubt, take that away and they have nothing left.

I have to add, I can't believe Terri was handing out candy on halloween and going to bars! WTh? Really? She is comfortable if parents are bringing their children to her door and she is able to go out in public. I suppose the news hasn't carried much about this story in Roseburg? I know that Kyron could be living in a house in my neighborhood and nobody would know the difference. Unless you watch the morning shows or nancy grace you wouldn't know about him.
Where did you read that Terri moved Kyron's body and going to bars and handing out Halloween candy? I truly understand Desiree's anger, broken heart behind repair, but I am questioning if it is okay to go and hand out flyers and do this when Terri hasn't been named a suspect? What I'm trying to say is, Desiree herself could get into trouble legally by doing this, but don't know the laws in Oregon, but I'll bet if this isn't right, Terri's lawyer will certainly do something about it. I'm sure at this point in time Desiree probably doesn't care if she gets in trouble, she is trying this to see if it works, and she must be at her wit's end.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: 4 Donks on February 20, 2011, 04:17:06 PM
I had a conversation with some friends that don't follow this case on anything but TV news and their take surprised me. To begin with they were disgusted that a police officer was involved in stalking and harassing a citizen that isn't even named a person of interest and thought that a restraining order should be issued against the bio mom and her husband. They believe that TH has been hounded by this family on their interpretation of unverified inside info and whatever happened to the presumption of innocence. I was just amazed.

I so strongly disagree with the opinion that Desiree is over stepping boundaries and Tony has no place in helping. I think Terri is lucky she is still on this side of the soil to be honest with you. I think Desiree has shown great restraint with a person she believes has hurt her son. I applaud this move by Desiree, she is standing up for her boy and trying to find him. This is something coming from me, but I don't give a rats bottom if Terri's feelings get hurt. In my opinion, she should open the door and have a conversation with Desiree. She is hiding behind her lawyer...
Off to listen to the ABC interview

I couldn't have said it better TG!  ::MonkeySlide::
BBM

This was their point..If she believes that LE has all this evidence that she should be hounding the DA and LE for an arrest. They felt that there probably isn't the evidence she imagines so she will try her in the media and they just felt it wasn't helping to find Kyron or making her statements reliable or believable. As I said these people only listen to MSM and do not follow crime or missing persons forums. I just thought it was an interesting observation that they did not find her a sympathetic figure. Don't kill the messenger....it's just another opinion from people in the general population once again they only hear news bytes and clips and have formed this opinion.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 20, 2011, 04:30:23 PM
There is some speculation that Terri moved Kyrons body. Apparently a blog writter was told that by a source. I would think if they had that knowledge then LE would have arrested Terri for tampering with evidence.

I will say there is more to the story then Terri hating Kyron and she killed him that morning. I think there is a back story that will be eventually come out that will surprise us. Something happened along the way that led to this. Desiree should leak it some how, I think the truth coming out will put extra pressure on Terri and whoever else to tell the truth. right now there is plenty of room for doubt, take that away and they have nothing left.

I have to add, I can't believe Terri was handing out candy on halloween and going to bars! WTh? Really? She is comfortable if parents are bringing their children to her door and she is able to go out in public. I suppose the news hasn't carried much about this story in Roseburg? I know that Kyron could be living in a house in my neighborhood and nobody would know the difference. Unless you watch the morning shows or nancy grace you wouldn't know about him.
Where did you read that Terri moved Kyron's body and going to bars and handing out Halloween candy? I truly understand Desiree's anger, broken heart behind repair, but I am questioning if it is okay to go and hand out flyers and do this when Terri hasn't been named a suspect? What I'm trying to say is, Desiree herself could get into trouble legally by doing this, but don't know the laws in Oregon, but I'll bet if this isn't right, Terri's lawyer will certainly do something about it. I'm sure at this point in time Desiree probably doesn't care if she gets in trouble, she is trying this to see if it works, and she must be at her wit's end.

No Rose...some blogger who said he couldn't name his source made a comment about Terri moving the body.  IMO, that didn't happen...Terri was under watchful of LE from the get-go and still is.  She didn't move any body.  BBM -Do you have a link back to this?  Who is the "some blogger" and where is this from?  Muffy

The other part about the bar and handing out Halloween candy, that was said by Desiree this morning on GMA.  It was stated something like we've come to know or understand (didn't say how) that Terri was handing out Halloween candy to kids, going to bars and enjoying the holidays, all while Kyron is missing.

Yes, at this point, I'm concerned for Desiree and that she could be harming herself (although I understand her anger and can't blame her...I do worry about her now).

 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 20, 2011, 04:37:17 PM
Reminder:

We need links back to articles, blogs and etc.  Just saying "I read somewhere..." or "...some blogger who couldn't reveal his source..." isn't enough.  We need to know where that came from.  I don't want to single anyone out in particular, but am using examples.  I've been reading here this morning and have seen a number of posts  that should have links in them.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 20, 2011, 04:39:28 PM
There is some speculation that Terri moved Kyrons body. Apparently a blog writter was told that by a source. I would think if they had that knowledge then LE would have arrested Terri for tampering with evidence.

I will say there is more to the story then Terri hating Kyron and she killed him that morning. I think there is a back story that will be eventually come out that will surprise us. Something happened along the way that led to this. Desiree should leak it some how, I think the truth coming out will put extra pressure on Terri and whoever else to tell the truth. right now there is plenty of room for doubt, take that away and they have nothing left.

I have to add, I can't believe Terri was handing out candy on halloween and going to bars! WTh? Really? She is comfortable if parents are bringing their children to her door and she is able to go out in public. I suppose the news hasn't carried much about this story in Roseburg? I know that Kyron could be living in a house in my neighborhood and nobody would know the difference. Unless you watch the morning shows or nancy grace you wouldn't know about him.
Where did you read that Terri moved Kyron's body and going to bars and handing out Halloween candy? I truly understand Desiree's anger, broken heart behind repair, but I am questioning if it is okay to go and hand out flyers and do this when Terri hasn't been named a suspect? What I'm trying to say is, Desiree herself could get into trouble legally by doing this, but don't know the laws in Oregon, but I'll bet if this isn't right, Terri's lawyer will certainly do something about it. I'm sure at this point in time Desiree probably doesn't care if she gets in trouble, she is trying this to see if it works, and she must be at her wit's end.

No Rose...some blogger who said he couldn't name his source made a comment about Terri moving the body.  IMO, that didn't happen...Terri was under watchful of LE from the get-go and still is.  She didn't move any body.  BBM -Do you have a link back to this?  Who is the "some blogger" and where is this from?  Muffy

The other part about the bar and handing out Halloween candy, that was said by Desiree this morning on GMA.  It was stated something like we've come to know or understand (didn't say how) that Terri was handing out Halloween candy to kids, going to bars and enjoying the holidays, all while Kyron is missing.

Yes, at this point, I'm concerned for Desiree and that she could be harming herself (although I understand her anger and can't blame her...I do worry about her now).

 

No, I have no link.  Maybe TraceyGirl has one.  I did read about it this morning and felt it had no merit, so I thought no more about it until I saw No Rose was questioning it.  If I recall where I read it, I'll get the link.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 20, 2011, 04:44:14 PM
No Rose, here is a link to Desiree's statements about the Halloween candy and bars this morning on GMA (which I posted earlier this morning).

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/kyron-horman-12959259




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 20, 2011, 04:44:27 PM
Puzzler, thank you for your quick reply and I hope a link can be found among the monkeys.  (OMG the missing link    ::MonkeyEek::  ) ::MonkeyHaHa::  I know what you mean about reading something somewhere and not thinking much of it at the time, and then later it comes up for discussion and no link.  It causes a lot of confusion if there's much discussion about it and we can't link back and read it as it was posted.  There's so much speculation and misinformation sometimes, it helps keep things straight by having that link.   ::rhino::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 20, 2011, 04:46:21 PM
Thank-you, didn't realize it was on the video from this morning about the bars and handing out candy. I also wonder if LE is okay with Desiree saying these things and handing fliers out in the neighborhood of Terri's parent's house. Just wondered if this could be considered harassment or not. 4 Donks, there are many people that don't follow Caylee's case closely, and people have sympathy for George and Cindy Anthony, so I can see that being some people's interpretation of things in this case. They only see bits and pieces on the news.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 20, 2011, 04:46:56 PM
No Rose, here is a link to Desiree's statements about the Halloween candy and bars this morning on GMA (which I posted earlier this morning).

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/kyron-horman-12959259



thank-you Puzzler  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 20, 2011, 04:48:35 PM
Muffy, here you go - the link you asked about it to seamusoriley


http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2011/02/anger-of-desiree-young.html

(snip)  "I commented that Terri Horman moved the body. This is something a source told me that I cannot reveal. It is also something that common sense tells me, given the intensity of the search."  (snip)




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 20, 2011, 04:52:15 PM
Thank-you, didn't realize it was on the video from this morning about the bars and handing out candy. I also wonder if LE is okay with Desiree saying these things and handing fliers out in the neighborhood of Terri's parent's house. Just wondered if this could be considered harassment or not. 4 Donks, there are many people that don't follow Caylee's case closely, and people have sympathy for George and Cindy Anthony, so I can see that being some people's interpretation of things in this case. They only see bits and pieces on the news.

It would not surprise me to find out that LE heard of Desiree's actions at the same time as the rest of us.  It does appear that Desiree is pushing Staton's buttons to force his hand to do something. 

I can understand it....Desiree is saying we have overwhelming evidence.  Assuming by "we" that she means LE, then to be led to believe there's overwhelming evidence and yet there is no arrest nor even to name a suspect, then I'd be beside myself with anger, too. 



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 20, 2011, 04:52:56 PM
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2011/02/anger-of-desiree-young.html

Here is the link. Thought I included it, sorry.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 20, 2011, 05:01:15 PM
Thank-you, didn't realize it was on the video from this morning about the bars and handing out candy. I also wonder if LE is okay with Desiree saying these things and handing fliers out in the neighborhood of Terri's parent's house. Just wondered if this could be considered harassment or not. 4 Donks, there are many people that don't follow Caylee's case closely, and people have sympathy for George and Cindy Anthony, so I can see that being some people's interpretation of things in this case. They only see bits and pieces on the news.

What I think is surprising to me is Desiree said in the GMA interview that people in Roseburg didn't know much about the case. Well I suppose she is educating them on it. Is it harrassment? Probably in some ways, but Desiree also has a right to free speech.  I would gather she got permits and is acting within her rights.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 20, 2011, 05:06:03 PM
Thank-you, didn't realize it was on the video from this morning about the bars and handing out candy. I also wonder if LE is okay with Desiree saying these things and handing fliers out in the neighborhood of Terri's parent's house. Just wondered if this could be considered harassment or not. 4 Donks, there are many people that don't follow Caylee's case closely, and people have sympathy for George and Cindy Anthony, so I can see that being some people's interpretation of things in this case. They only see bits and pieces on the news.

It would not surprise me to find out that LE heard of Desiree's actions at the same time as the rest of us.  It does appear that Desiree is pushing Staton's buttons to force his hand to do something. 

I can understand it....Desiree is saying we have overwhelming evidence.  Assuming by "we" that she means LE, then to be led to believe there's overwhelming evidence and yet there is no arrest nor even to name a suspect, then I'd be beside myself with anger, too. 



Yea I would be besides myself with anger. Sometimes people have to take a stand and not sit back in silence if they believe a wrong has been committed and they want it changed. Desiree see's Terri as the person responsible, LE won't arrest her or even name her a suspect although there is supposedly overwhelming evidence showing Terri is involved. It has been 8 months, I suppose Desiree has said, enough already I will do what I have to, to find my son.
Do we know if Desiree has a PI working with her and Tony?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 20, 2011, 05:10:47 PM
What are the monkeys thoughts about posters being allegedly being put in the Moulton's lawn?
Where did you see this, please?  And is there a link?  MB


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 20, 2011, 05:17:15 PM
Post from BOC:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/

Rose says:
February 20, 2011 at 3:10 pm
@48. Blink. Since June 4, the MSCO痴 inability to case manage the public (on a micro-level, the public associated with the Science Fair/school as witnesses or imbedded perp, on a macro-level Kyron痴 community) has always been this case痴 greatest weakness. Forensic evidence is a lot easier to handle. The Sheriff won稚 change stripes now. The DA might consider taking over the PR function (no doubt stepping on more toes).

My sources tell me the DA (Underhill) is running this investigation. That is a rareity, btw, and usually only happens in a case where LE errors or conflicts have occurred, or have potential to.

9 Fed and Le agencies unable to find a shred of physical evidence linked to Kyron痴 abduction or other freaks me the eff out. There, I said it.
B




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 20, 2011, 05:17:55 PM
What are the monkeys thoughts about posters being allegedly being put in the Moulton's lawn?

I would have done the same thing so I suppose that is my feeling on it all. I think there is a time to play nice and a time to stand up and say enough, for Desiree it is time to say enough.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: bebecat on February 20, 2011, 05:38:00 PM
Has it been verified that posters were put on the Moultons' property? I honestly doubt that happened, that would be trespassing and I can't see Tony Y. condoning that portion of Desiree's actions. I guess if she left a flyer on the porch, that is one thing, people do that all the time, but not putting up a sign in their yard.

BBM

Anyone know the source of this?  Is there a link?  MB



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 20, 2011, 05:44:03 PM
Thank-you, didn't realize it was on the video from this morning about the bars and handing out candy. I also wonder if LE is okay with Desiree saying these things and handing fliers out in the neighborhood of Terri's parent's house. Just wondered if this could be considered harassment or not. 4 Donks, there are many people that don't follow Caylee's case closely, and people have sympathy for George and Cindy Anthony, so I can see that being some people's interpretation of things in this case. They only see bits and pieces on the news.

What I think is surprising to me is Desiree said in the GMA interview that people in Roseburg didn't know much about the case. Well I suppose she is educating them on it. Is it harrassment? Probably in some ways, but Desiree also has a right to free speech.  I would gather she got permits and is acting within her rights.
That is what I was wondering, if it is harassment or not? The problem I see with this, is I'm afraid some kook might take it upon themselves and go after Terri, and physically attack her which wouldn't be good at all.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 20, 2011, 05:45:19 PM
Yea perhaps Terri should stay inside for a little while.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 20, 2011, 05:45:45 PM
Yea perhaps Terri should stay inside for a little while.


 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 20, 2011, 05:55:26 PM
Has it been verified that posters were put on the Moultons' property? I honestly doubt that happened, that would be trespassing and I can't see Tony Y. condoning that portion of Desiree's actions. I guess if she left a flyer on the porch, that is one thing, people do that all the time, but not putting up a sign in their yard.

BBM

Anyone know the source of this?  Is there a link?  MB



I have read posters here and on a few other sites state this and that Desiree knocked on the door but I have not seen it reported. I am not clear on it's accuracy


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 20, 2011, 06:08:01 PM
Has it been verified that posters were put on the Moultons' property? I honestly doubt that happened, that would be trespassing and I can't see Tony Y. condoning that portion of Desiree's actions. I guess if she left a flyer on the porch, that is one thing, people do that all the time, but not putting up a sign in their yard.

BBM

Anyone know the source of this?  Is there a link?  MB





I have read posters here and on a few other sites state this and that Desiree knocked on the door but I have not seen it reported. I am not clear on it's accuracy

I see.  I think then we can consider this a rumor, since there doesn't appear to be anything that can be verified.  Still, even if it's rumor or speculation that was brought from another site, there needs to be a link back to it.  Not everyone here reads other places and it's very difficult to follow when there's just a lot of chatter, and no way to go back and look at the source.  When someone posts "I read it somewhere..." or "..it was posted on another site", isn't enough.  All monkeys need to provide the link, please.  MB


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: 4 Donks on February 20, 2011, 06:09:42 PM
Has it been verified that posters were put on the Moultons' property? I honestly doubt that happened, that would be trespassing and I can't see Tony Y. condoning that portion of Desiree's actions. I guess if she left a flyer on the porch, that is one thing, people do that all the time, but not putting up a sign in their yard.

BBM

Anyone know the source of this?  Is there a link?  MB


If they did it was probably on the city easement. I've had political posters placed on the easement in front of my place and it's legal but because I'm responsible for the maintenance of the easement they get bush hogged down while I'm maintaining the easement. ::MonkeyCool::
I have read posters here and on a few other sites state this and that Desiree knocked on the door but I have not seen it reported. I am not clear on it's accuracy


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: 4 Donks on February 20, 2011, 06:11:27 PM
Has it been verified that posters were put on the Moultons' property? I honestly doubt that happened, that would be trespassing and I can't see Tony Y. condoning that portion of Desiree's actions. I guess if she left a flyer on the porch, that is one thing, people do that all the time, but not putting up a sign in their yard.

BBM

Anyone know the source of this?  Is there a link?  MB


If they did it was probably on the city easement. I've had political posters placed on the easement in front of my place and it's legal but because I'm responsible for the maintenance of the easement they get bush hogged down while I'm maintaining the easement. ::MonkeyCool::
I have read posters here and on a few other sites state this and that Desiree knocked on the door but I have not seen it reported. I am not clear on it's accuracy
If they did it was probably on the city easement. I've had political posters placed on the easement in front of my place and it's legal but because I'm responsible for the maintenance of the easement they get bush hogged down while I'm maintaining the easement. ::MonkeyCool::
Sorry got in your quote.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 20, 2011, 06:26:58 PM
What are the monkeys thoughts about posters being allegedly being put in the Moulton's lawn?
Where did you see this, please?  And is there a link?  MB

Yes, I saw it in this video at about the 50 second mark: words to the effect that Desiree went to the house and knock on the door before putting up signs around the house.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/116543823.html?tab=video



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 20, 2011, 06:29:47 PM
Has it been verified that posters were put on the Moultons' property? I honestly doubt that happened, that would be trespassing and I can't see Tony Y. condoning that portion of Desiree's actions. I guess if she left a flyer on the porch, that is one thing, people do that all the time, but not putting up a sign in their yard.

BBM

Anyone know the source of this?  Is there a link?  MB





I have read posters here and on a few other sites state this and that Desiree knocked on the door but I have not seen it reported. I am not clear on it's accuracy

I see.  I think then we can consider this a rumor, since there doesn't appear to be anything that can be verified.  Still, even if it's rumor or speculation that was brought from another site, there needs to be a link back to it.  Not everyone here reads other places and it's very difficult to follow when there's just a lot of chatter, and no way to go back and look at the source.  When someone posts "I read it somewhere..." or "..it was posted on another site", isn't enough.  All monkeys need to provide the link, please.  MB

Muffy - I posted a link.  I was away from the computer for a while.  Sorry I didn't get back soon enough.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 20, 2011, 06:30:09 PM
Thanks Puzzler. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Cappuccino on February 20, 2011, 07:03:12 PM
Thank-you, didn't realize it was on the video from this morning about the bars and handing out candy. I also wonder if LE is okay with Desiree saying these things and handing fliers out in the neighborhood of Terri's parent's house. Just wondered if this could be considered harassment or not. 4 Donks, there are many people that don't follow Caylee's case closely, and people have sympathy for George and Cindy Anthony, so I can see that being some people's interpretation of things in this case. They only see bits and pieces on the news.

What I think is surprising to me is Desiree said in the GMA interview that people in Roseburg didn't know much about the case. Well I suppose she is educating them on it. Is it harrassment? Probably in some ways, but Desiree also has a right to free speech.  I would gather she got permits and is acting within her rights.
That is what I was wondering, if it is harassment or not? The problem I see with this, is I'm afraid some kook might take it upon themselves and go after Terri, and physically attack her which wouldn't be good at all.

IMHO, so long as Desiree or anyone for that matter stays on public property & doesnt cross the line to constantly bang on Terri's parent's house door or call them nonstop with threats of any sort its doubtful that this could be considered harassment.  If anything if a reasonable demonstration or protest were to get loud, especially during hours within city ordiances set aside for the peace of its residents, possibly a disturbing the peace charge could be made.  So long as she is continuously asking Terri where Kyron is as the last known person to see him and/or even as an official suspect in the case & not stating for a fact that she IS responsible for Kyron's disappearance and/or harm she should be legally okay to pose that question publicly as often and/or creatively as she chooses.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 20, 2011, 07:13:13 PM
What are the monkeys thoughts about posters being allegedly being put in the Moulton's lawn?
Where did you see this, please?  And is there a link?  MB

Yes, I saw it in this video at about the 50 second mark: words to the effect that Desiree went to the house and knock on the door before putting up signs around the house.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/116543823.html?tab=video



Yep that is what she did! She knocked right on the door!

It was sad that she said if Terri was to give her the chance, she would talk with her and tell her that Kyron never asked anything of her except to love him..... ::MonkeyTears:: aint that the truth about all kids, they just want love.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 20, 2011, 07:53:48 PM

Please light a candle and say a prayer for Kyron, that he may be found soon.
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Kyron


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 20, 2011, 08:10:00 PM

Please light a candle and say a prayer for Kyron, that he may be found soon.
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Kyron

Thanks Muffybee. I have a feeling that he will be found eventually. I don't think anything else will be an option for Desiree. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: invision on February 20, 2011, 10:05:02 PM
-snipped

Young says police have informed her of written clues from Terri Horman herself that detail her disdain for Kyron. She says the clues blame the boy for Terri Horman痴 failing marriage to Kyron痴 father.

But despite the scrutiny, Terri Horman has yet to be named a suspect in the case. No one has.

典here痴 no bloody footprints, no torn CSI shirt, no broken eyeglasses, McCain said. 鉄o this investigation really has had a severe lack of physical evidence from the very, very beginning.  -snipped

http://www.wtma.com/rssItem.asp?feedid=118&itemid=29635623

Wasn't Kyron's glasses reported to have been sent to Kaines residence in the beginning of this case?  Isn't that why the photo at the science fair was re-done w/out Kyron wearing his glasses?  OR ... is the key work in his sentence no "broken" eyeglasses?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: invision on February 20, 2011, 10:11:30 PM
I guess my above post wasn't new news ... This was dated Novemeber 15th 2010

-snipped

Kyron痴 biological mother, Desiree Young, said investigators shared e-mails with her that Terri sent friends. She said in them Terri talked about hurting Kyron. Desiree said she now believes Terri is capable of doing so.

摘xtreme hatred for Kyron, and she talked about hurting him and things that you just don稚 talk about with children, she told KATU News Monday evening by phone. 的 don稚 understand how you can feel that way about a 7 year old.

Young said it is now clear that Terri dislikes her and believes she transferred that to Kyron.

的 no longer had that little part of me that hoped she hadn稚 done anything to Kyron, Desiree said after she read the e-mails. 的 realized that she is capable of hurting him. That was the hardest part about it.

-snipped

http://www.katu.com/news/local/108352154.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sebastian on February 20, 2011, 11:37:33 PM
It took me a while to catch up, but I am very glad that Desiree has had enough! These cases drag on and on and I would have been out of my mind months ago, if this was my child. I do have a question. Do we know if Tony has been with Desiree during her trip to Roseburg? Is she doing this on her own, or is Tony by her side? Does anyone know where Kaine has been? TIA


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 21, 2011, 12:16:24 AM
It took me a while to catch up, but I am very glad that Desiree has had enough! These cases drag on and on and I would have been out of my mind months ago, if this was my child. I do have a question. Do we know if Tony has been with Desiree during her trip to Roseburg? Is she doing this on her own, or is Tony by her side? Does anyone know where Kaine has been? TIA

Tony and some friends were with Desiree in Roseburg.

Haven't heard one word about Kaine other than people asking where he is.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: melisb on February 21, 2011, 12:40:05 AM
Puzz...there is a video (don't know how to link from my comcast news to here) from KATU showing DY posting all the signs and handing out fliers.  Happen to notice 30 to 45 secs in DY was with KH and there were red heart balloons in the background and he turned and walked away quickly.  My question is is this and old snippet of a video showing them together at the Wall of Hope or is it new and the camera just happen to catch him and he got away.  I'm sure it's an old clip but the red heart balloons threw me off.  I know we haven't seen hide nor hair of him lately and it's a damn shame DY has to do this all alone when Ky has another parent capable of helping.  I know Desiree has Tony and the help of fam and friends but the only thing I liked about KH was that he was out spreading the word about Ky.  Just don't like him, sorry, he's a little two faced but that doesn't matter right now.  I'm with DY's opinion of KH right now.  God Bless her and give her the strength she needs.  God Bless you all and good night beautiful Monkeys.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on February 21, 2011, 10:51:00 AM
A great blog post from Valhall regarding Desiree's visit to Roseburg.

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/ (http://www.thehinkymeter.com/)

Desiree Young wants to know where her son, Kyron, is.  She wants him home.  She is voicing little confidence that he is alive.  In fact, her words are a testament that she fears he was mostly likely murdered, or intentionally placed in harms way.  Terri Horman, Kyron痴 stepmother and the last known person to see Kyron alive, has not been honest with law enforcement who have now worked over 8 months to find Kyron.  Terri has been reported to have flunked two polygraphs and walked out on another.  Her account of her location and activities on the morning Kyron went missing is questionable, and some reports state do not match her cell phone pings.

Desiree Young deserves to have her child back.  She deserves to know where he is and bring him home.  Desiree is demanding answers.  As a mother and grandmother, I am 100% behind her getting those answers.  I have created the following flier in hopes that others will take it and pass it forward.  Terri Horman needs to tell what she knows.  Terri Horman needs to answer the question WHERE IS KYRON???

I have created two formats to spread the word.  Please feel free to copy the following jpg poster image onto your Myspace page, your Facebook page, other sites you post at, and embed in emails to your friends.  There is also a pdf linked below the image in case you would like to print out posters, or pass the file forward to others to spread the word.  There is no obligation to say where you got it.JUST HELP DESIREE BRING HER SON HOME. PASS IT FORWARD!

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: klaasend on February 21, 2011, 11:16:37 AM
http://northwestportland.katu.com/news/parents-kids/kyrons-mother-goes-national-tv-message-terri-horman/438616 (http://northwestportland.katu.com/news/parents-kids/kyrons-mother-goes-national-tv-message-terri-horman/438616)

Kyron's mother goes on national TV with message for Terri



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on February 21, 2011, 11:52:49 AM
If anyone is interested in watching the live Multnomah County board meeting on Thursday, which is when Staton will be there, you can watch it on the internet, at the below url. It runs from 9:30am - 12 noon. I'm not sure what time he is up.


http://www2.co.multnomah.or.us/cc/live_broadcast.shtml (http://www2.co.multnomah.or.us/cc/live_broadcast.shtml)

Just a note: I believe you have to have Realplayer installed, which you can find here:

http://www.real.com/realplayer (http://www.real.com/realplayer)



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sebastian on February 21, 2011, 12:43:37 PM
It took me a while to catch up, but I am very glad that Desiree has had enough! These cases drag on and on and I would have been out of my mind months ago, if this was my child. I do have a question. Do we know if Tony has been with Desiree during her trip to Roseburg? Is she doing this on her own, or is Tony by her side? Does anyone know where Kaine has been? TIA

Tony and some friends were with Desiree in Roseburg.

Haven't heard one word about Kaine other than people asking where he is.



Thank you Puzzler! I would imagine that Tony is pushing it with LE by being present in Roseburg. I am so glad that he was there supporting Desiree!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sebastian on February 21, 2011, 12:54:02 PM
Puzz...there is a video (don't know how to link from my comcast news to here) from KATU showing DY posting all the signs and handing out fliers.  Happen to notice 30 to 45 secs in DY was with KH and there were red heart balloons in the background and he turned and walked away quickly.  My question is is this and old snippet of a video showing them together at the Wall of Hope or is it new and the camera just happen to catch him and he got away.  I'm sure it's an old clip but the red heart balloons threw me off.  I know we haven't seen hide nor hair of him lately and it's a damn shame DY has to do this all alone when Ky has another parent capable of helping.  I know Desiree has Tony and the help of fam and friends but the only thing I liked about KH was that he was out spreading the word about Ky.  Just don't like him, sorry, he's a little two faced but that doesn't matter right now.  I'm with DY's opinion of KH right now.  God Bless her and give her the strength she needs.  God Bless you all and good night beautiful Monkeys.

Hi Melisb,
I think that Desiree is done playing nice and that includes LE, the psycho red squirrel and Kaine. I don't blame her in the least. I have never been a fan of Kaine's either, but I would GUESS that his divorce attorney has advised him to stay away from Roseburg and the sicko that lives there. Kaine also has a toddler at home that needs him.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: akmom on February 21, 2011, 12:59:00 PM
I am not sure why, since all the missing are not far from my thoughts, but Kyron is weighing heavily on my mind the past few days.  I am so afraid if something does not break soon this will end up like Haleigh. 

I am sending out wishes and prayers that we will get something soon.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 21, 2011, 08:22:04 PM
TY Sassifrass for the links.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: KittyMom on February 22, 2011, 12:18:46 AM
I don't know what the weather is like there, but I keep hoping that spring is starting to make herself known and that as people begin to get back into the outdoors that someone finds Kyron.  He really needs to be brought home to his parents.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sebastian on February 22, 2011, 12:26:46 AM
I kept wondering if there was a difference between male and female sociopaths. I found this article to be VERY interesting with regards to the female sociopath and their children.

http://antimisandry.com/mens-health/venus-dark-side-female-sociopaths-emotional-manipulative-abuse-against-men-18904.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 22, 2011, 01:41:15 AM
After reading about the details in Zahra's case, my heart is sick tonight for her and for Kyron. I am a step mother, although I hate that term, I have always liked to call them my bonus kids. I love them, they are a part of my family and a part of my life. I worry about them, care for them, I try to protect them, but all they want is for me to allow them time with their father, for me to love them in spite of that and to open my life and heart to them. That is my main job as a step mom, step aside when I need to and to love them unconditionally. I don't see why that is so difficult.
Both of these children didn't deserve their fates, it has saddened me beyond anything tonight.

Zahra I pray for you tonight that you have finally found peace and love. Your story I will never soon forget. Kyron I pray we find you and you are brought home. Your mama misses you and is fighting hard for you, you are loved little one.

Goodnight everyone, may tomorrow be the day Kyron is found. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: TnMuse on February 22, 2011, 02:05:56 AM
I kept wondering if there was a difference between male and female sociopaths. I found this article to be VERY interesting with regards to the female sociopath and their children.

http://antimisandry.com/mens-health/venus-dark-side-female-sociopaths-emotional-manipulative-abuse-against-men-18904.html

Wow!  It sounds like every one of the female perpetrators that we have discussed on SM.  Really sick people.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Sister on February 22, 2011, 07:34:13 AM
I am not sure why, since all the missing are not far from my thoughts, but Kyron is weighing heavily on my mind the past few days.  I am so afraid if something does not break soon this will end up like Haleigh. 

I am sending out wishes and prayers that we will get something soon.
Agreed, akmom, lots of prayers for Kyron and those who love him.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Gypsy DD on February 22, 2011, 10:29:58 AM
Desiree has never changed course or verred in this whole ordeal with Terri.  She had said early on that she knew from day one Terri was involved.  She and Kaine and Tony gave press conferences where they said Terri needs to tell the truth. 

I am glad she is following up now by going to Terri's new comfort zone..Roseburg.  People in that community need to ask Terri the hard questions when they pass her on the street, in the grocery stores, at bars.  I always felt the reason that Kaine made her leave the home was to remove her from her comfort zone there...now she needs to feel she has no where to run, no place to hide.

I really think that Terri needs to realize that no one believes her..and no one wants her in their town.  And what fools let their children trick or treat at her parents house..for the love of God...I wouldn't let an animal take a treat from this woman.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: monchichi on February 22, 2011, 04:42:52 PM
I don't know what the weather is like there, but I keep hoping that spring is starting to make herself known and that as people begin to get back into the outdoors that someone finds Kyron.  He really needs to be brought home to his parents.

We are expecting more snow.  Wednesday, and more on Thursday.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sebastian on February 22, 2011, 09:50:06 PM
I am not sure if there is more to this video than the one above. All I can say is Goooooooooo Desiree. We love you, we support you and we are so proud of you!

http://www.katu.com/home/video/116678914.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: monchichi on February 22, 2011, 10:34:03 PM
I am not sure if there is more to this video than the one above. All I can say is Goooooooooo Desiree. We love you, we support you and we are so proud of you!

http://www.katu.com/home/video/116678914.html

 ::rhino::  I just watched most of it (little ears kept trying to listen, so I wasn't able to finish).

 ::MonkeyCheer4::                                                                                                        ::MonkeyCheer4::                                                                                                             ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 23, 2011, 03:24:06 AM
I am not sure if there is more to this video than the one above. All I can say is Goooooooooo Desiree. We love you, we support you and we are so proud of you!

http://www.katu.com/home/video/116678914.html

Everyone who hasn't watched this video of Desiree's entire presser in Roseburg (before I had only heard snippets here and there), might find this to be of interest.

Desiree says at one point that LE is searching an 11-acre area East of Skyline School.

She says that LE has evidence that Terri was there.

She also says that Terri put everything in writing.




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Gypsy DD on February 23, 2011, 08:51:00 AM
I am not sure if there is more to this video than the one above. All I can say is Goooooooooo Desiree. We love you, we support you and we are so proud of you!

http://www.katu.com/home/video/116678914.html

Thank you Sebastian for the link to the above video of Desiree's press conference.

It really sounds as though per Desiree that LE has evidence against Terri...she put everything in writing.

Tick Tock Terri, Tick Tock.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 23, 2011, 09:05:10 AM
Post from BOC:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/

enumclawrose says:
February 23, 2011 at 4:05 am
Puzzled, Thanks for articulating this so well. I know we all wish this was not the case, but at least we know where we are at. This is an important post. IMO we should all read it again.

9.puzzled says:
February 21, 2011 at 5:34 pm
It痴 looking to me like LE knows there was a male talking to Ky inside the school. LE knows Terri left the school without Ky. LE does not know how Ky left the school or who with. There is only a generic description of the male height, weight, coloring, facial hair but not enough of a facial recognition for a sketch.

If this is so then LE is still guessing as to who Ky left with just that they know he did not leave the building with TH when she left the building. LE does not know who Ky left the building with.

do I have this right ???

It is about as close as one can get, imo.
B




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 23, 2011, 10:39:25 AM
Post from BOC:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/

enumclawrose says:
February 23, 2011 at 4:05 am
Puzzled, Thanks for articulating this so well. I know we all wish this was not the case, but at least we know where we are at. This is an important post. IMO we should all read it again.

9.puzzled says:
February 21, 2011 at 5:34 pm
It痴 looking to me like LE knows there was a male talking to Ky inside the school. LE knows Terri left the school without Ky. LE does not know how Ky left the school or who with. There is only a generic description of the male height, weight, coloring, facial hair but not enough of a facial recognition for a sketch.

If this is so then LE is still guessing as to who Ky left with just that they know he did not leave the building with TH when she left the building. LE does not know who Ky left the building with.

do I have this right ???

It is about as close as one can get, imo.
B



Wonder what the age of the male is? I would imagine that Kyron new the man, but then again, this man could have said something that was very interesting to him and he left with him to go see whatever this man said he had, etc. From my prospective with raising two girls is that no matter how many times we would tell them, don't run off towards the street when the ball goes over that way, don't wander at all from us in the store, don't do this and don't do that, there are just some kids that will do it anyway, it is the way they are. One of mine behaved and one had little interest in all the warnings  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on February 23, 2011, 12:17:34 PM
If anyone is interested in watching the live Multnomah County board meeting on Thursday, which is when Staton will be there, you can watch it on the internet, at the below url. It runs from 9:30am - 12 noon. I'm not sure what time he is up.


http://www2.co.multnomah.or.us/cc/live_broadcast.shtml (http://www2.co.multnomah.or.us/cc/live_broadcast.shtml)

Just a note: I believe you have to have Realplayer installed, which you can find here:

http://www.real.com/realplayer (http://www.real.com/realplayer)



Update: Sheriff Staton will be up first @ 9:30 am PST.

http://www.co.multnomah.or.us/cc/WeeklyAgendaPacket/022411_Agenda.pdf (http://www.co.multnomah.or.us/cc/WeeklyAgendaPacket/022411_Agenda.pdf)


REGULAR AGENDA
SHERIFF担 DEPARTMENT 9:30 am
R-1 Informational Board Briefing on the Kyron Horman Investigation Task Force. Presenters: Sheriff Dan Staton and Lieutenant Ned Walls. (15 min)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 23, 2011, 01:27:51 PM
From Blink On Crime   ::snipping2::     Jden says:
February 23, 2011 at 9:23 am

LE has witnesses that saw someone on the gravel access road in/around the Horman truck. (Kaine痴 truck per DY)
LE has witnesses, children and adults, that (believe) they saw KyH in the school with an unidentified male.

Consider this (purely supposition):
If these are both true statements, then it is possible that TmH left the parking lot in someone else痴 vehicle. The male who was witnessed inside the school with KyH was someone familiar to KyH, enough that KyH would follow instructions on how/when to exit the building, especially if he had been instructed to listen to that male earlier on by TmH. DY states that this person was 田lose to the family.   ::MonkeyEek::    Desiree states the man was close to the family?  If that were true, you would think the police would know who he is? 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: invision on February 23, 2011, 02:21:12 PM
Maybe Desiree is trying to put the pressure on Terri now and this is a last push before an arrest is made.  She may think that once Terri is behind bars, she may never talk.  She may feel that she is more susceptible to "outside" pressure from the community and even her parents and may crack, whereas it may never happen while incarcerated.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Gypsy DD on February 23, 2011, 04:15:20 PM
I am still thinking about the little church across the street from the school where the pressers were often held.  That church is no longer a church, but open for social events, etc.

I swear I remember reading somewhere that the lady who operates the church said they had security cameras in place.  This was around the time the school got there cameras put in, over the summer.  My point is..it sounded as though they have had those cameras in place well before the school got theirs..as in we already have security cams.

Then think about where Terri's truck was supposed to be parked in the recreation photos..sort of along side the road, blocking the access road.  I keep thinking that the LE have a video of her truck parked there. They seem to be very concrete on the fact of where she was parked that morning.  This may be how they know rather not Kyron left the school with her.

What type of man would help Terri carry out this deed?  A pedo..  Could it be Terri hooked up with a pedo inorder to coax him to take Kyron?  Could she have set this whole thing up because she hated Kaine and Kyron both...MFH was not getting any takers..but a pedo would jump at the chance.  And a disappeared Kyron would settle her own problems with Kyron..and hurt Kaine immeasurably for the rest of his life.  Desiree said the writings she was shown Terri wrote of how much she hated both KH and Kyron.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Curly on February 23, 2011, 06:56:55 PM
I am not sure if there is more to this video than the one above. All I can say is Goooooooooo Desiree. We love you, we support you and we are so proud of you!

http://www.katu.com/home/video/116678914.html

Everyone who hasn't watched this video of Desiree's entire presser in Roseburg (before I had only heard snippets here and there), might find this to be of interest.

Desiree says at one point that LE is searching an 11-acre area East of Skyline School.

She says that LE has evidence that Terri was there.

She also says that Terri put everything in writing.




Wow. Thanks for posting that video, Puzzler.
I wonder if she kept an online diary or something for them to know that she wrote everything down.
You'd think with all that they know that an arrest would be imminent.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: akmom on February 23, 2011, 07:23:34 PM
akmom and 11 Guests are viewing this topic.

Hmmmm, kind of weird ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 24, 2011, 08:00:18 AM
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/02/fbi_will_dedicate_up_to_six_ag.html

FBI will dedicate up to six agents to help investigate the Kyron Horman disappearance

(snip)  The FBI will be dedicating up to six agents to help with the criminal investigation into the disappearance of Kyron Horman, following a recent review of the local task force's nearly nine-month investigation by FBI agents who specialize in child abduction cases. (snip)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 24, 2011, 08:32:17 AM
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/02/fbi_will_dedicate_up_to_six_ag.html

(snip)  "I'm disappointed this isn't over with. I'm disappointed we haven't found this young man," Staton said. "I don't put the blame on our investigators...Everybody who has been involved in this has worked on this case as diligently as possible. We know more about what potentially did happen than we ever did in the past. The biggest hope is we would have found him."

By mid-June, if there's been no arrest, Staton said he will review the task force's progress once again. "One thing I can assure you, if this case stagnates and there's nothing more coming in, we'll have to take a different approach."  (snip)



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: cw618 on February 24, 2011, 08:43:19 AM
Desiree says at one point that LE is searching an 11-acre area East of Skyline School.

the eve that kyron was reported missing,i thought they searched that area,for something
like 2-3 days,when they thought he had wandered off,seems like it was raining the whole
time the searchers were looking
JMO
so could there have been a pre dug grave,and it would have been hard to see, in all the new 
mud that the constant rain caused

refresher map
http://tinyurl.com/49cykj3
Desiree pc
http://www.katu.com/home/video/116678914.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: cw618 on February 24, 2011, 08:47:36 AM
SNIP SNIP
"We're not going to back off on this investigation," Staton said Wednesday. "We may not have it solved, and it may not be to the satisfaction of some, but the fact is they're making progress."

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/02/fbi_will_dedicate_up_to_six_ag.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Gypsy DD on February 24, 2011, 08:53:57 AM
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/02/fbi_will_dedicate_up_to_six_ag.html

(snip)  "I'm disappointed this isn't over with. I'm disappointed we haven't found this young man," Staton said. "I don't put the blame on our investigators...Everybody who has been involved in this has worked on this case as diligently as possible. We know more about what potentially did happen than we ever did in the past. The biggest hope is we would have found him."

By mid-June, if there's been no arrest, Staton said he will review the task force's progress once again. "One thing I can assure you, if this case stagnates and there's nothing more coming in, we'll have to take a different approach."  (snip)




Thank you for this article Puzzler. 

 I am glad to hear the FBI will be dedicating up to 6 agents full time....I think they will get the job done.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: cw618 on February 24, 2011, 09:02:55 AM
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/02/fbi_will_dedicate_up_to_six_ag.html
FBI will dedicate up to six agents to help investigate the Kyron Horman disappearance
Published: Thursday, February 24, 2011, 4:00 AM
 By Maxine Bernstein, The Oregonian
 

SNIP SNIP
Investigators have identified more than 490 people who were at the school June 4, as well as the 54 vehicles parked on the campus that day, Staton said. To do that, they had to examine photographs taken at the school during the science fair, sometimes checking the license plates of cars appearing in the background.

"The actual account of everyone and everything that was on that campus that day, we now know," he said.
-------

there is that car count again,it says parked on the campus,
and everything that was on that campus that day....so does that
mean other cars parked around the school,like on the road shoulder 
and the church,are not accounted for yet,im just not getting that
car count


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 24, 2011, 09:06:49 AM
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/02/fbi_will_dedicate_up_to_six_ag.html

(snip)  "I'm disappointed this isn't over with. I'm disappointed we haven't found this young man," Staton said. "I don't put the blame on our investigators...Everybody who has been involved in this has worked on this case as diligently as possible. We know more about what potentially did happen than we ever did in the past. The biggest hope is we would have found him."

By mid-June, if there's been no arrest, Staton said he will review the task force's progress once again. "One thing I can assure you, if this case stagnates and there's nothing more coming in, we'll have to take a different approach."  (snip)




Thank you for this article Puzzler. 

 I am glad to hear the FBI will be dedicating up to 6 agents full time....I think they will get the job done.

I was really glad to hear about the FBI agents being dedicated, too....it renews my hope.

Staton reports he knows the story of the 490+ people at the school that morning and the 54 cars.

With the Task Force continuing to at least mid-June and the "addition" of up to 6 FBI agents, it does make me think that the on-going investigation is about much more than just Terri.  I sure hope so.  I want every single person involved to be brought to justice.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 24, 2011, 09:09:00 AM
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/02/fbi_will_dedicate_up_to_six_ag.html
FBI will dedicate up to six agents to help investigate the Kyron Horman disappearance
Published: Thursday, February 24, 2011, 4:00 AM
 By Maxine Bernstein, The Oregonian
 

SNIP SNIP
Investigators have identified more than 490 people who were at the school June 4, as well as the 54 vehicles parked on the campus that day, Staton said. To do that, they had to examine photographs taken at the school during the science fair, sometimes checking the license plates of cars appearing in the background.

"The actual account of everyone and everything that was on that campus that day, we now know," he said.
-------

there is that car count again,it says parked on the campus,
and everything that was on that campus that day....so does that
mean other cars parked around the school,like on the road shoulder 
and the church,are not accounted for yet,im just not getting that
car count


Good question.  They are "defining" it, aren't they.  What about cars that just came for a few minutes and then left?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 24, 2011, 09:13:33 AM

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/02/fbi_will_dedicate_up_to_six_ag.html

(snip)   Investigators on the multi-agency Kyron Horman Task Force have subpoenaed more than 300 sets of e-mail, cellular phone and computer records, and have hired private technical specialists, including a cellular phone engineer from California, to assist in their review.

"We've collected those items, and now it's going to take time to get through all of it," Staton said. (snip)

~~~~~~~~~
Okay...300 sets of records.
 
A person would have: computer, cell phone, e-mails (3) items (or would they have more?)
 
Meaning 100 people are being investigated electronically?



How many "people's" records are being investigated?  Very interesting.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on February 24, 2011, 11:42:08 AM
If anyone is interested in watching the live Multnomah County board meeting on Thursday, which is when Staton will be there, you can watch it on the internet, at the below url. It runs from 9:30am - 12 noon. I'm not sure what time he is up.


http://www2.co.multnomah.or.us/cc/live_broadcast.shtml (http://www2.co.multnomah.or.us/cc/live_broadcast.shtml)

Just a note: I believe you have to have Realplayer installed, which you can find here:

http://www.real.com/realplayer (http://www.real.com/realplayer)



Update: Sheriff Staton will be up first @ 9:30 am PST.

http://www.co.multnomah.or.us/cc/WeeklyAgendaPacket/022411_Agenda.pdf (http://www.co.multnomah.or.us/cc/WeeklyAgendaPacket/022411_Agenda.pdf)


REGULAR AGENDA
SHERIFF担 DEPARTMENT 9:30 am
R-1 Informational Board Briefing on the Kyron Horman Investigation Task Force. Presenters: Sheriff Dan Staton and Lieutenant Ned Walls. (15 min)

Yes, another update:

The meeting has been changed to 10:30 am.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Kokos Cat on February 24, 2011, 12:09:23 PM
If anyone is interested in watching the live Multnomah County board meeting on Thursday, which is when Staton will be there, you can watch it on the internet, at the below url. It runs from 9:30am - 12 noon. I'm not sure what time he is up.


http://www2.co.multnomah.or.us/cc/live_broadcast.shtml (http://www2.co.multnomah.or.us/cc/live_broadcast.shtml)

Just a note: I believe you have to have Realplayer installed, which you can find here:

http://www.real.com/realplayer (http://www.real.com/realplayer)



Update: Sheriff Staton will be up first @ 9:30 am PST.

http://www.co.multnomah.or.us/cc/WeeklyAgendaPacket/022411_Agenda.pdf (http://www.co.multnomah.or.us/cc/WeeklyAgendaPacket/022411_Agenda.pdf)


REGULAR AGENDA
SHERIFF担 DEPARTMENT 9:30 am
R-1 Informational Board Briefing on the Kyron Horman Investigation Task Force. Presenters: Sheriff Dan Staton and Lieutenant Ned Walls. (15 min)

Yes, another update:

The meeting has been changed to 10:30 am.


Thanks Sassi! :D

Given the weather in Portland this a.m. (snow), I'd be so happy if they still meet!  So, does it just look like a delay then, to 10:30, and NOT a cancellation?!?  Yay.  Thanks.

 ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on February 24, 2011, 12:21:46 PM
Just a delay Koko. You know how we Oragonian's can't drive in snow!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on February 24, 2011, 12:22:23 PM
Just a delay Koko. You know how we Oragonian's can't drive in snow!  ::MonkeyWink::

Oops! Meant Oregonian's.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on February 24, 2011, 12:26:33 PM
I'm not expecting much from it though, unless one of the council members has the kahoonies to speak up and ask questions. I would.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Kokos Cat on February 24, 2011, 12:30:02 PM
 ::MonkeyAngel::

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/02/fbi_will_dedicate_up_to_six_ag.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/02/fbi_will_dedicate_up_to_six_ag.html)

Quote
<<snip, snip>>
FBI will dedicate up to 6 agents to help investigate the Kyron Horman disappearance

Published: Thursday, February 24, 2011, 4:00 AM  

Updated: Thursday, February 24, 2011, 8:22 AM

By Maxine Bernstein, The Oregonian

The FBI will be dedicating up to six agents to help with the criminal investigation into the disappearance of Kyron Horman, following a recent review of the local task force's nearly nine-month investigation by FBI agents who specialize in child abduction cases.

Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton, who is scheduled to update county commissioners this morning,  said the multi-agency task force will proceed at least through June without any requests for more money.

"We're not going to back off on this investigation," Staton said Wednesday. "We may not have it solved, and it may not be to the satisfaction of some, but the fact is they're making progress."

The investigation, which has cost the sheriff's office $1.42 million, has turned up no physical evidence of the 7-year-old boy who was last seen June 4 at Skyline School.

Investigators on the multi-agency Kyron Horman Task Force have subpoenaed more than 300 sets of e-mail, cellular phone and computer records, and have hired private technical specialists, including a cellular phone engineer from California, to assist in their review.

"We've collected those items, and now it's going to take time to get through all of it," Staton said.

Agents from the FBI's Behavioral Analysis Unit based in Quantico, Virginia, came to Portland when Kyron first was reported missing, and two returned to spend several days with the Kyron Horman investigative team in late January and early this month.

The agents, more commonly known as the FBI's profilers, assist law enforcement agencies in complex cases based on investigative experience, education, specialized training and research, according to the FBI website. They provide investigative suggestions, interview strategies, profiles of unknown offenders, and analysis of leads.

"The FBI has stepped up their participation," Staton said Wednesday. "They've offered up the BAU unit and any assistance."

Beth Anne Steele, FBI spokeswoman, said the BAU agents assisting bring an expertise specific to violent crimes and kidnapping.

"They sit down with investigators and go through the case files page by page, and try to help brainstorm ideas," she said. "They may say, 'you want to try this,' or 'have you looked at this?' "

They've examined the investigative documents and other evidence accumulated so far -- everything from GPS marks picked up from cell phones to taped interviews of persons of interest to what media outlets have caught on camera.

"They have a way of being able to tell us what it is they're observing," Staton said.

As a result of the BAU agents' visit, the FBI is dedicating a group of agents from its Portland office to work on running down certain leads or conducting interviews with people who have not been reached.

"We are providing a core group of investigators to help deal with some specific tasks that were identified by the profilers and the task force," Steele said.

 ::snipping2::  (note - we have been asked to be careful and not post entire articles.  This publication has always been one who dislikes it.)

::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Kokos Cat on February 24, 2011, 12:33:08 PM
Just a delay Koko. You know how we Oragonian's can't drive in snow!  ::MonkeyWink::

Oops! Meant Oregonian's.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

LOL.  Yes.  The city has come to a standstill... am so surprised they are still meeting!  I heard on the radio this a.m. that the Portland City Council Meeting has been cancelled.

 ::MonkeyKiss::

Thanks SO MUCH for the info/update!  :)

 ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Kokos Cat on February 24, 2011, 12:35:17 PM
I'm not expecting much from it though, unless one of the council members has the kahoonies to speak up and ask questions. I would.  ::MonkeyCool::

Sigh.  Sassi, could you just trot on over there, PLEASE, and start asking questions? I'd pay good money/bananas to watch that from the comfort of my own computer!

 ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: can on February 24, 2011, 12:36:50 PM
If anyone is interested in watching the live Multnomah County board meeting on Thursday, which is when Staton will be there, you can watch it on the internet, at the below url. It runs from 9:30am - 12 noon. I'm not sure what time he is up.


http://www2.co.multnomah.or.us/cc/live_broadcast.shtml (http://www2.co.multnomah.or.us/cc/live_broadcast.shtml)

Just a note: I believe you have to have Realplayer installed, which you can find here:

http://www.real.com/realplayer (http://www.real.com/realplayer)



Update: Sheriff Staton will be up first @ 9:30 am PST.

http://www.co.multnomah.or.us/cc/WeeklyAgendaPacket/022411_Agenda.pdf (http://www.co.multnomah.or.us/cc/WeeklyAgendaPacket/022411_Agenda.pdf)


REGULAR AGENDA
SHERIFF担 DEPARTMENT 9:30 am
R-1 Informational Board Briefing on the Kyron Horman Investigation Task Force. Presenters: Sheriff Dan Staton and Lieutenant Ned Walls. (15 min)

Yes, another update:

The meeting has been changed to 10:30 am.

Thanks Sassifrass.  So, that would be l:30 ET.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on February 24, 2011, 12:39:00 PM
I'm not expecting much from it though, unless one of the council members has the kahoonies to speak up and ask questions. I would.  ::MonkeyCool::

Sigh.  Sassi, could you just trot on over there, PLEASE, and start asking questions? I'd pay good money/bananas to watch that from the comfort of my own computer!

 ::monkeywine2::

They would probably throw me out Koko! Then I would be really embarrassed from running around the room, trying to fight them off! Sounds like a cut scene from the Three Stooges.  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on February 24, 2011, 12:46:35 PM
Btw, just a note. They did say that sometimes the meetings will start a bit earlier, or a bit later, so just keep that in mind if you are trying to stream it live.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Curly on February 24, 2011, 12:47:02 PM
I'm not expecting much from it though, unless one of the council members has the kahoonies to speak up and ask questions. I would.  ::MonkeyCool::

Sigh.  Sassi, could you just trot on over there, PLEASE, and start asking questions? I'd pay good money/bananas to watch that from the comfort of my own computer!

 ::monkeywine2::

They would probably throw me out Koko! Then I would be really embarrassed from running around the room, trying to fight them off! Sounds like a cut scene from the Three Stooges.  ::MonkeyDevil::

I resemble that remark!

I hope that meeting still happens. Figures the weather is an issue after this long wait.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on February 24, 2011, 12:52:04 PM
I'm not expecting much from it though, unless one of the council members has the kahoonies to speak up and ask questions. I would.  ::MonkeyCool::

Sigh.  Sassi, could you just trot on over there, PLEASE, and start asking questions? I'd pay good money/bananas to watch that from the comfort of my own computer!

 ::monkeywine2::

They would probably throw me out Koko! Then I would be really embarrassed from running around the room, trying to fight them off! Sounds like a cut scene from the Three Stooges.  ::MonkeyDevil::

I resemble that remark!

I hope that meeting still happens. Figures the weather is an issue after this long wait.

Haha Curly!

The web site was updated about an hour and a 1/2 ago, or so. It remains at 10:30am. No cancellations posted. The roads are just wet around Portland, so I think it will be good to go.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on February 24, 2011, 01:26:11 PM
video is about to start.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Brandi on February 24, 2011, 01:45:19 PM
video is about to start.

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/Image85.png)

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/Image86.png)

http://multnomah.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=3&event_id=2


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Brandi on February 24, 2011, 01:51:32 PM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/Image87-1.png)
DA asked if they were on the right track, he replied, they are. And their obligation is to present a case that will be upheld in a court of law.

Staton said the case is going "strongly" at this time. Reassessment scheduled for June.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on February 24, 2011, 01:59:34 PM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/Image87-1.png)
DA asked if they were on the right track, he replied, they are. And their obligation is to present a case that will be upheld in a court of law.

Staton said the case is going "strongly" at this time. Reassessment scheduled for June.

BBM

Thanks Brandi! Just to add to that Rod Underhill added to that statement, "without someone, an outside source, being able to poke holes in it. We want to be sure the person or persons responsible for this are brought to justice."

I'll bet he was referring to Houze.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Kokos Cat on February 24, 2011, 02:12:55 PM
Duly noted & OO-oo-ps!  Sorry!  I will refrain from posting too much content from that publication in the future!  -- K. Cat


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Brandi on February 24, 2011, 02:13:08 PM
FBI steps up role in search for missing Oregon boy

<snipped>

PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) The FBI is increasing its role in the disappearance of Kyron Horman, the 7-year-old Oregon boy who was last seen in June at his Portland school.

The Oregonian reports up to six agents will help the task force investigating the case.

<snipped>

http://www.kval.com/news/local/116849803.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 24, 2011, 02:14:39 PM
Okay...I got to see Staton thank the commissioners, them to thank him, and Staton walk away.  Ha!  Not much!

Would someone please let me know if the report went basically like the interview in the paper this morning?

Were there any surprises?

Thank you.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on February 24, 2011, 02:22:11 PM
I think they just want a solid case without flaw, or that would raise doubt in the minds of the jury. If it takes until June to make the evidence stick, then that's what it takes. As long as it sticks.

 Many of the LE and SAR people have been on this case from day one, and have witnessed the emotional roller coaster within the family, and events within the investigation. IMO, I feel their very dedicated to bringing justice to Kyron, and the family closure.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on February 24, 2011, 02:23:47 PM
Okay...I got to see Staton thank the commissioners, them to thank him, and Staton walk away.  Ha!  Not much!

Would someone please let me know if the report went basically like the interview in the paper this morning?

Were there any surprises?

Thank you.

No surprises Puzzler.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on February 24, 2011, 02:44:19 PM
One last thing before I have to get going.


Whether TH is implicated or not,and I know it may not be the right thing to say but, "I sure in heck wish TH didn't hire Houze!" He's like a Johnny Cochran! He could poke holes in anything. If I hear him say, just once,"If it doesn't fit, you must acquit", I'm going to vomit.  :smt078 After I shoot him with my laser gun.  :smt068

J/k. Have a good day Monkeys.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 24, 2011, 03:34:31 PM
Okay...I got to see Staton thank the commissioners, them to thank him, and Staton walk away.  Ha!  Not much!

Would someone please let me know if the report went basically like the interview in the paper this morning?

Were there any surprises?

Thank you.

No surprises Puzzler.

Sassi - TY



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 24, 2011, 04:02:32 PM
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/02/commissioners_express_surprise.html

Kyron Horman: Multnomah County commissioners surprised by added FBI agents

(snip)  Two Multnomah County commissioners this morning said they were surprised to learn through The Oregonian of the added involvement by the FBI in the ongoing criminal investigation into missing Kyron Horman.  (snip)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 24, 2011, 04:22:30 PM
Thanks for the updates.  Glad to still see determination to resolve this and bring justice for Kyron.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sebastian on February 24, 2011, 11:17:39 PM
I am still thinking about the little church across the street from the school where the pressers were often held.  That church is no longer a church, but open for social events, etc.

I swear I remember reading somewhere that the lady who operates the church said they had security cameras in place.  This was around the time the school got there cameras put in, over the summer.  My point is..it sounded as though they have had those cameras in place well before the school got theirs..as in we already have security cams.

Then think about where Terri's truck was supposed to be parked in the recreation photos..sort of along side the road, blocking the access road.  I keep thinking that the LE have a video of her truck parked there. They seem to be very concrete on the fact of where she was parked that morning.  This may be how they know rather not Kyron left the school with her.

What type of man would help Terri carry out this deed?  A pedo..  Could it be Terri hooked up with a pedo inorder to coax him to take Kyron?  Could she have set this whole thing up because she hated Kaine and Kyron both...MFH was not getting any takers..but a pedo would jump at the chance.  And a disappeared Kyron would settle her own problems with Kyron..and hurt Kaine immeasurably for the rest of his life.  Desiree said the writings she was shown Terri wrote of how much she hated both KH and Kyron.



Hi Gypsy DD,
I remember asking about the cameras at the church as well. It was a while back on scared monkeys. If I remember correctly, someone (maybe hellokitty) said that the cameras were put there after Kyron went missing. I wish I knew what page this was on. I am pretty sure it was several threads back.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 25, 2011, 12:43:47 AM
I checked out Anita Kissee痴 (reporter at KATU Portland) Twitter and found a tweet talking about reporter痴 notes from Staton痴 report to the commissioners; however, it痴 Facebook and I don稚 do Facebook.

http://twitter.com/anitakissee

Maybe someone who does Facebook could open it and copy and paste her notes here.  Would love to know what she noted (I missed the live report).



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 25, 2011, 12:56:58 AM
I checked out Anita Kissee痴 (reporter at KATU Portland) Twitter and found a tweet talking about reporter痴 notes from Staton痴 report to the commissioners; however, it痴 Facebook and I don稚 do Facebook.

http://twitter.com/anitakissee

Maybe someone who does Facebook could open it and copy and paste her notes here.  Would love to know what she noted (I missed the live report).



Here's a copy of the tweet itself:

Don't often do this but - because you are all so interested in #KyronHorman investigation, I'm sharing my notes:

 http://tinyurl.com/4qdkv24


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sebastian on February 25, 2011, 01:59:35 AM
I checked out Anita Kissee痴 (reporter at KATU Portland) Twitter and found a tweet talking about reporter痴 notes from Staton痴 report to the commissioners; however, it痴 Facebook and I don稚 do Facebook.

http://twitter.com/anitakissee

Maybe someone who does Facebook could open it and copy and paste her notes here.  Would love to know what she noted (I missed the live report).



Here's a copy of the tweet itself:

Don't often do this but - because you are all so interested in #KyronHorman investigation, I'm sharing my notes:

 http://tinyurl.com/4qdkv24


Hi Puzzler,
This is what comes up

This content is currently unavailable
The page you requested cannot be displayed right now. It may be temporarily unavailable, the link you clicked on may have expired, or you may not have permission to view this page.
Return home

Maybe it is busy? Not sure. I will try again later.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Curly on February 25, 2011, 02:23:34 AM
I got the same message.
Maybe it was removed.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 25, 2011, 09:58:23 AM
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/02/fbi_will_dedicate_up_to_six_ag.html

(snip)  "We're not going to back off on this investigation," Staton said Wednesday. "We may not have it solved, and it may not be to the satisfaction of some, but the fact is they're making progress."   (snip)

BBM - Glad to hear they're still making progress. 

Really wonder what LE has discovered in their investigation that the FBI has commited so many agents.  This seems to be like a big push.  But on what?   

Then, additionally, the "experts" to check out the cell records of over 300 supoened sets of cell, email and computer records.
Obviously, that means they are checking the records of many people.  What would they be checking that requires forensics on long trails of electronics?



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 25, 2011, 12:00:43 PM
I find this very interesting.  I did pick up on Capt. Gates comment that this was an 兎xtraordinary complicated investigation 登n a number of levels.   Wasn稚 sure what the 斗evels part meant, though.

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-39/#comments

1.   puzzled says:
February 25, 2011 at 10:50 am

These two statements represent the status of this case

的t痴 an extraordinary complicated investigation on a number of levels. That痴 the bottom line, said Capt. Jason Gates with the Multnomah County Sheriff痴 Office.

and Staton said
的t痴 not an easy case and you know if it was an easy case we would have solved it months ago, that痴 just it

登n a number of levels= more than one suspect
B




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 26, 2011, 01:37:18 PM
I checked out Anita Kissee痴 (reporter at KATU Portland) Twitter and found a tweet talking about reporter痴 notes from Staton痴 report to the commissioners; however, it痴 Facebook and I don稚 do Facebook.

http://twitter.com/anitakissee

Maybe someone who does Facebook could open it and copy and paste her notes here.  Would love to know what she noted (I missed the live report).



Here's a copy of the tweet itself:

Don't often do this but - because you are all so interested in #KyronHorman investigation, I'm sharing my notes:

 http://tinyurl.com/4qdkv24



Look what I found the reporter notes by Anita Kissee.  No, I didn稚 get them from Facebook, but from ProBoard痴 site where the GLP group started up a forum after GLP shut down Kyron痴 forum (I highlighted in blue a couple of notes that stood out to me:

http://stillstanding2.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=kyronhorman&action=display&thread=16&page=41

Reporter Notes - Kyron Horman Update
by Anita Kiss馥 Katu-tv on Thursday, February 24, 2011 at 3:17pm

TROUBLE OPENING? CLICK THE "??? MINUTES AGO" LINK... NOT THE TITLE.

I don't nornally do this but...

Because I know so many of you are interested in every single word said/written about Kyron Horman, I'm sharing my notes on today's presentation to Mutlnomah County Commissioners and the interview afterward. (Ignore the numbers before/after the lowercase letters... those are time code for the soundbites that my editor will use later.)

My stories on this will be on tonight at 5 and 6:30pm.


NOTES:

LOOK AT PROGRESS SHERIFF担 OFFICE HAS MADE

TASK FORCE

FRESH SET OF EYES KEEP ON TRACK


Sheriff Dan Staton

146 To date this investigation has developed 4318 investigative leads. 52


4318 INVESTIGATIVE LEADS

3500 INTERVIEWS

66 BINDERS OF INFORMATION

subpoenaed more than 300 sets of e-mail, cellular phone and computer records,

contacted 124 sex offenders, but the sheriff would not comment on whether they've been excluded as suspects.

4200 HOURS - PARTNERING AGENCIES

490 PEOPLE IDENTIFIED THAT WERE ON SITE WHEN DISAPPEARED

54 LOCATED VEHICLES AT LOCATION

19,783 VOLUNTEER HOURS OF SEARCH AND RESCUE


Fiscal year 2010 604,088.50

Fiscal Year 2011 835,338.87

Total $1,439,427.37


PART-TIME SGT, TWO FULL TIME DETECTIVES, 1 PART TIME TECNICIAN, PART TIME SAR


OTHER

DEPART OF JUSTICE TECHNICIAN RESEARCH MATERIALS THROUGH SEARCH WARRANTS, 1 COMMUNICATION TECH EXPERT CELL PHONES TOWERS, 1 BEHAVIOR PSYCHOLOGIST


433 The belief is that we are moving forward in this investigation and is continuing very strongly at this particular point in time. 39

WILL REASSESS IN JUNE IF NO ARREST OR SUSPECT IDENTIFIED


Loretta Smith - Commissioner

THANKED

510 As a mother I can only imagine the horror the family is feeling at this point. But as a county commissioner I want to find out specifically, and this is directly to the DA, are we on the right track 25


Rod Underhill Chief Deputy DA

528 The answer to the question commissioner, are we on the right track,

533 Short answer is yes, long answer is our obligation both as law enforcement investigators and district attorneys is to create a case that is provable in a court of law beyond a reasonable doubt. 49

REQUIRES TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK AND EVIDENCE

SOMEONE WILL BE THERE TO PICK EACH OF IT APART

ADVISING THEM AS THEY GO.


658 We will work and work and work until this matter is resolved03


711 Whether it痴 Saturday at 10am, or Friday at 9pm, it痴 not an eight to five. It is getting the job done. 22

FEEL DUTY AND OBLIGATION TO REACH CONCLUSION


825 Absolutely we池e on the right track, absolutely.


FBI INVOLVEMENT

GET THAT DON探 HAVE AT A LOCAL LEVEL

EXPERTISE IN THIS AREA



Sheriff

919 I知 very grateful they have offered this up to us and provided us with this opportunity. 26


Cpt. JW Gates

BRIEFING LET BOARD AND PEOPLE KNOW WHERE ARE IN INVESTIGATION

HOW FUNDS BEING SPENT


FBI PARTNER FROM DAY ONE

BEHAVIOR ANALYSIS, TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE, PROFILING SUSPECTS, WHENEVER NEEDED



420 DAYS OF TASK FORCE

NEW STRATEGIES FROM HERE ON OUT

1138 And we need more people

1144 There are not many agencies that are able to provide six bodies by asking and the FBI is able to do that. 49



NATIONAL PROGRAMS THEY CAN USE, FORENSICS, EXPERTISE IN CHILD ABDUCTION

1226 That doesn稚 hurt the already top notch investigators that we have involved in this investigation from several different agencies. 35



COST FOR OT 115-THOUSAND DOLLARS OUT OF BUDGET COSTS



KYRON担 STATUS NOT GIVING INFO ON WHETHER THINK ALIVE OR NOT



1324 We池e looking at data that can be in the multimillion input data points and so having people that can forensically deal with that, important to this case.

1335 It痴 a monumental task, monumental amount of information and what that does is free up our investigators, our criminal investigators to track down leads and investigate and do interviews and those types of things rather than go through miles and miles of data 51



RIGHT TRACK?

1404 I believe that痴 an absolutely legitimate question, I absolutely believe we池e on the right track. We want one of two outcomes here: We want to, number one, solve this case, and that is really what we want. And the second option is we want to have done everything we possibly could have done in order to solve this case 22



DOESN探 DO ANY GOOD TO PRODUCE SPECULATION TO US

1458 We are obligated to investigate this case as professionally as we possibly can.

1505 When the time is right and we have a suspect in custody, you値l know it. 10



DESIREE担 ACTIONS THIS WEEKEND

1532 we did not authorize that.


Anita: 1537 For you to be here this many months later what is that like for you personally?

1542 The frustrating part of it is, we haven稚 solved this case, but what I can tell you is that as professionals, for me, oversight over people doing investigation, my job to make sure they池e supported and that they have the tools they need to do this investigation and to develop strategies. I知 a policy person and I need to support that process and I do that for them and as my obligation, and the sheriff痴 obligation to the public that we serve 13

1615 I can稚 say that I知 frustrated at this point, I壇 say the first month I was frustrated because we wanted to find that kid like right now. Now that we are embedded in this investigation at this point, I say that what we need to have is an attitude of steadfast. We need to be steadfast in what we池e doing and continue on with this investigation until one of two outcomes has been achieved. 34


A LOT OF KIDS MISSING THIS SPECIAL?

AMAZING AMOUNT OF RESOURCES?

SCHOOL?

1650 It痴 because he was taken out of school, but also at the bottom line is

1655 As you can tell because we池e at where we池e at today

1658 it痴 an extraordinarily complicated investigation on an amount of levels. 01 That痴 the bottom line. It痴 not an easy case and you know if it was an easy case we would have solved it months ago 09 that痴 just it.


Anita: 1712 How much did the public pressure play in to that? Considering how many people are interested in finding Kyron?

1717 Well, you know I can certainly say public opinion, public pressure and amount of attention this has achieved has played a part, as public opinion in our country does. 30

1734 But with respect to how we池e doing out investigation it doesn稚 play a part.

1738 An investigation is an investigation that we have experts, professionals that put together the strategies on a number of levels on how to proceed 47

EXPENSE

1754 we don稚 know how much this is going to cost. We haven稚 put a cap on it. We need to achieve one of two things: we need to either solve this case or come to a semi-conclusion by having done everything we could possible do. 09

VERY TRANSPARENT WITH REGARD TO COST

DECREASING WORKING TO KEEP TRACK

NOT ASKING FOR MORE MONEY CONTINUE WITH WHAT HAVE


NOT PUTTING A TIMELINE ON THIS NOT SPECULATING WHAT WILL HAPPEN BETWEEN NOW AND NEXT BRIEFING IN JUNE

1909 I pretty much hope from the bottom of my heart that we will have solved this case, but I can稚 tell you one way or the other.








Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 26, 2011, 01:41:57 PM
Well, I guess by attempt at changing the color of the words didn稚 work.  Here痴 the two items I noted:


DESIREE担 ACTIONS THIS WEEKEND
1532 we did not authorize that.


1650 It痴 because he was taken out of school, but also at the bottom line is
1655 As you can tell because we池e at where we池e at today
1658 it痴 an extraordinarily complicated investigation on an amount of levels. 01 That痴 the bottom line. It痴 not an easy case and you know if it was an easy case we would have solved it months ago 09 that痴 just it.




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: akmom on February 26, 2011, 04:29:09 PM
Thanks Puzzler.

Not aimed at you, I am just overwhelmingly frustrated with this situation.  I feel like I learned a whole lotta nuttin' from that report.  Kyron, I wish we could find you.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 26, 2011, 04:56:59 PM
Thanks Puzzler.

Not aimed at you, I am just overwhelmingly frustrated with this situation.  I feel like I learned a whole lotta nuttin' from that report.  Kyron, I wish we could find you.

It is frustrating.

I took from it that LE has continued to be very active in looking for Kyron but they don't have the evidence they need.
I've read on a number of forums that all this FBI presence is coming in to help the Sheriff wrap up his case.  FBI doesn't do wrap-up for local LE.

We now know that profilers were with local LE during January and from their work came the commitment for up to 6 agents to help local LE through mid-June.  IMO, that means the profilers in January came up with places to search, people to investigate, etc.  And the scope must be pretty big because FBI is commiting 6 agents to it...that's above and beyond the Task Force in place.  It makes me think that their scope has expanded way out. 

Terri has been disected for almost 9 months....after all this time...FBI is not putting 6 agents on the case to check her out.  No, those agents are to check out others.  Hopefully, it's the up to 2 accomplices that LE thinks are involved.  But, it's definately something big, because on top of these 6 FBI agents, there's the experts at technolog, cell records and towers, and physocology.

Over 300 sets of electronic records have been subpoened.  That's a lot and they've brought in an expert to mine the information from all those records.  Those records would mean that many people are being investigated.  More than just Terri and her friends, IMO.

So, I don't know what to make of all of it, but I do know that his is a big deal with all these experts and FBI agents added.  IMO this is NOT a "wrap-up".  LE is going after the "ones".  They do NOT know who the ones are because we've just been told if they don't have a conclusion by mid-June, they will be making changes.

I learned a lot:  they're still going full-speed ahead on the investigation, that the investigation is huge, and they can't name a suspect. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: akmom on February 26, 2011, 06:43:14 PM
Thank you for the interpretation, Puzzler, what you have explained does give me some hope.  I just cannot wrap my mind around what has happened to Kyron.  You would think that if this is very involved and there are multiple suspects that someone, somewhere would make a mistake and be caught.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Scandi on February 26, 2011, 08:47:31 PM
Well, I guess by attempt at changing the color of the words didn稚 work.  Here痴 the two items I noted:


DESIREE担 ACTIONS THIS WEEKEND
1532 we did not authorize that.


1650 It痴 because he was taken out of school, but also at the bottom line is
1655 As you can tell because we池e at where we池e at today
1658 it痴 an extraordinarily complicated investigation on an amount of levels. 01 That痴 the bottom line. It痴 not an easy case and you know if it was an easy case we would have solved it months ago 09 that痴 just it.




Thanks Puzzler for all your work here.  IMO Blink could be right and what has made this investigation so complicated could be their focus on an accomplice.  That could be explained why this special 'ping' investigator from Ca will now examine {all} the pings in the case.  The FBI also calling in a forensic psychologist {think that is right} could also be working on the accomplice angle ~ LE has already stated they believe there is another person in the case and wish I had a link to that.

I heard on a newscast last week there were 3 specialists the FBI is working with.  Do you know if they are part of the 6 and who the 3rd specialist would be?   Ta


ETA:  Also, looking at Anita's notes, she writes:  "KYRON担 STATUS NOT GIVING INFO ON WHETHER THINK ALIVE OR NOT



1324 We池e looking at data that can be in the multimillion input data points and so having people that can forensically deal with that, important to this case.

1335 It痴 a monumental task, monumental amount of information and what that does is free up our investigators, our criminal investigators to track down leads and investigate and do interviews and those types of things rather than go through miles and miles of data 51


Staten doesn't say whether they believe Kyron is dead or alive, but also he does not say they have no evidence as to either way as has been stated before, right?  I still think they might have discovered some evidence of his death but just haven't located his remains yet.  There is something they have told Desiree for her change her belief, now thinking Kyron won't be found alive.  IMO


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 26, 2011, 11:03:28 PM
Scandi, as I understand it, the experts are in addition to the FBI agents.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 26, 2011, 11:06:57 PM
Scandi, as I understand it, the experts are in addition to the FBI agents.


The experts are:

http://www.kmtr.com/news/local/story/Kyron-Horman-investigation-continues-with-F-B-I/6NQmsg9WrkCCyKU1O1ohtw.cspx

The local costs include experts hired for cell tower and cell phone expertise, a private behavioral specialist and an information technology specialist, he said.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: cw618 on February 26, 2011, 11:58:22 PM
TY puzzler

54 LOCATED VEHICLES AT LOCATION

i thought this note worthy too,thats 54 checked and 90+ to go
per my post
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9317.msg1305506#msg1305506

Quote
tracygirl
wait I think I misread what you are saying. Are you agreeing that there are not enough cars for the people stated?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9317.msg1305559#msg1305559

yes


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Scandi on February 27, 2011, 12:56:47 AM
Scandi, as I understand it, the experts are in addition to the FBI agents.


The experts are:

http://www.kmtr.com/news/local/story/Kyron-Horman-investigation-continues-with-F-B-I/6NQmsg9WrkCCyKU1O1ohtw.cspx

The local costs include experts hired for cell tower and cell phone expertise, a private behavioral specialist and an information technology specialist, he said.


Thanks Puzzler,  Reading that do you think the cell phone man and the IT specialist  are with the FBI?  It only specifies one of these people are private.  Also, what is an information technology specialist and what would they be concentrating on.  I have no idea ???


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Scandi on February 27, 2011, 01:59:15 AM
I keep thinking about Desiree giving out that specific info of LE now searching 11 miles east of Skyline school.  Since the last searches we know about were not east but NW of the school, I wonder if they gave a different direction to avoid lots of lucky lou's showing up in the vicinity.  But somehow I think the 11 miles away from the school could be true.

Has anyone taken a map and drawn a circle equal to 22 miles with the school being the center point?  I don't know how to do that but it would be most interesting to see if the line would go thru the area of the last 2 searches or places where they've searched on SI.

The other thing is has anyone tried to place Terri's route that day, street to street, from where we have learned she was at certain times.  That might be interesting to put together with an area 11 miles away from the school.

The only 2 times I recall are the truck being seen at 10:30am at Skyline and Germantown Rd {from a LE preser} and then the possible 911 call made from a person who witnessed the Horman truck {supposedly} sliding off the road into a ditch at 11am on SI after racing with another vehicle.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 27, 2011, 11:58:59 AM
Scandi, as I understand it, the experts are in addition to the FBI agents.


The experts are:

http://www.kmtr.com/news/local/story/Kyron-Horman-investigation-continues-with-F-B-I/6NQmsg9WrkCCyKU1O1ohtw.cspx

The local costs include experts hired for cell tower and cell phone expertise, a private behavioral specialist and an information technology specialist, he said.


Thanks Puzzler,  Reading that do you think the cell phone man and the IT specialist  are with the FBI?  It only specifies one of these people are private.  Also, what is an information technology specialist and what would they be concentrating on.  I have no idea ???

I believe I read that the cell phone and cell tower expert from CA was hired by the county; information technology specialist would concentrate on anything electronic computers, smartphones any electronic communication emails, texting, tweeting, etc.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 27, 2011, 12:07:35 PM
Scandi, as I understand it, the experts are in addition to the FBI agents.


The experts are:

http://www.kmtr.com/news/local/story/Kyron-Horman-investigation-continues-with-F-B-I/6NQmsg9WrkCCyKU1O1ohtw.cspx

The local costs include experts hired for cell tower and cell phone expertise, a private behavioral specialist and an information technology specialist, he said.


Thanks Puzzler,  Reading that do you think the cell phone man and the IT specialist  are with the FBI?  It only specifies one of these people are private.  Also, what is an information technology specialist and what would they be concentrating on.  I have no idea ???

I believe I read that the cell phone and cell tower expert from CA was hired by the county; information technology specialist would concentrate on anything electronic computers, smartphones any electronic communication emails, texting, tweeting, etc.



(snip)   The team of investigators assigned to the case includes an expert in information technology and a communications technology expert hired out of California to look over cell phone and cell tower data. There is also a behavioral psychologist helping in the case, Staton said.   (snip)

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/02/25/kyron-horman-investigation-gets-boost-fbi/




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: can on February 27, 2011, 12:47:50 PM
Puzzler, thanks for the links you've provided recently. 

I just feel LE knows where they're going (at least I hope so) and just need to nail it down with solid evidence. imo.

Prayers for Kyron and his loved ones.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on February 27, 2011, 03:11:45 PM
 ::HelloKitty::

my fear is that she had someone drive a cell phone over there and she did something totally different,  But hopefully, the driver would tell if that was the case.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: can on February 27, 2011, 04:09:23 PM
::HelloKitty::

my fear is that she had someone drive a cell phone over there and she did something totally different,  But hopefully, the driver would tell if that was the case.

 ::HelloKitty::
is it possible she might have "accidentally on purpose" left her cell phone in
another's car without telling him/her?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 27, 2011, 04:52:14 PM
::HelloKitty::

my fear is that she had someone drive a cell phone over there and she did something totally different,  But hopefully, the driver would tell if that was the case.

 ::HelloKitty::
is it possible she might have "accidentally on purpose" left her cell phone in
another's car without telling him/her?

Surely, anyone finding a cell phone that's not their would call the owner and let them know...if not, when all this came up about Kyron, I would hope that any person with any information at all would immediately have come forward - especially with all the information out in the news about Terris answers and the pings not matching up.  LE doesn't have to tell the truth and they could have told Terri her answers and the pings weren't matching up during a certain time period because they wanted to engage her in more conversation during that time.  I hope that's not the case.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 27, 2011, 04:55:02 PM
Scandi, as I understand it, the experts are in addition to the FBI agents.


The experts are:

http://www.kmtr.com/news/local/story/Kyron-Horman-investigation-continues-with-F-B-I/6NQmsg9WrkCCyKU1O1ohtw.cspx

The local costs include experts hired for cell tower and cell phone expertise, a private behavioral specialist and an information technology specialist, he said.


Thanks Puzzler,  Reading that do you think the cell phone man and the IT specialist  are with the FBI?  It only specifies one of these people are private.  Also, what is an information technology specialist and what would they be concentrating on.  I have no idea ???

I believe I read that the cell phone and cell tower expert from CA was hired by the county; information technology specialist would concentrate on anything electronic computers, smartphones any electronic communication emails, texting, tweeting, etc.

including bat phones or clean phones ... as they're called ... even cloned phones, if one was used ... FBI technology has the capability, like no other, to break into and track all the lines of communication ...
 
am wondering if ... a unidentifiable line to a suspect popped out and LE ... no locals anywhere ... didn't have the skill to "crack" and trace the line ...
 
FBI is looking at every single line of communication for every person identified that day ... betcha ... or ... they've identified certain individuals ... more likely ... and want to see where it leads and to whom ....


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Scandi on February 27, 2011, 04:58:48 PM
Scandi, as I understand it, the experts are in addition to the FBI agents.


The experts are:

http://www.kmtr.com/news/local/story/Kyron-Horman-investigation-continues-with-F-B-I/6NQmsg9WrkCCyKU1O1ohtw.cspx

The local costs include experts hired for cell tower and cell phone expertise, a private behavioral specialist and an information technology specialist, he said.


Thanks Puzzler,  Reading that do you think the cell phone man and the IT specialist  are with the FBI?  It only specifies one of these people are private.  Also, what is an information technology specialist and what would they be concentrating on.  I have no idea ???

I believe I read that the cell phone and cell tower expert from CA was hired by the county; information technology specialist would concentrate on anything electronic computers, smartphones any electronic communication emails, texting, tweeting, etc.

Thanks Puzzler, You're a peach    ::rhino::

One thing I got out from Staton in that conference was I think everything they are doing is to:  "533 Short answer is yes, long answer is our obligation both as law enforcement investigators and district attorneys is to create a case that is provable in a court of law beyond a reasonable doubt.

I think they believe this is doable and has as much to do with other/s involved as the initiator of the crime.  Detail exactly the electronics involved and prove the accomplice thru psychological profiling.

I read somewhere part of this could be about those throw-away phones.  They might tell the tale, eh?

xox


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 27, 2011, 05:02:47 PM
I think one thing that will be difficult for LE to determine is if it was Terri who had the phone. By her saying she was not where LE had said she was then to me it seems she is disputting it.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Scandi on February 27, 2011, 05:05:45 PM
Scandi, as I understand it, the experts are in addition to the FBI agents.


The experts are:

http://www.kmtr.com/news/local/story/Kyron-Horman-investigation-continues-with-F-B-I/6NQmsg9WrkCCyKU1O1ohtw.cspx

The local costs include experts hired for cell tower and cell phone expertise, a private behavioral specialist and an information technology specialist, he said.


Thanks Puzzler,  Reading that do you think the cell phone man and the IT specialist  are with the FBI?  It only specifies one of these people are private.  Also, what is an information technology specialist and what would they be concentrating on.  I have no idea ???

I believe I read that the cell phone and cell tower expert from CA was hired by the county; information technology specialist would concentrate on anything electronic computers, smartphones any electronic communication emails, texting, tweeting, etc.

including bat phones or clean phones ... as they're called ... even cloned phones, if one was used ... FBI technology has the capability, like no other, to break into and track all the lines of communication ...
 
am wondering if ... a unidentifiable line to a suspect popped out and LE ... no locals anywhere ... didn't have the skill to "crack" and trace the line ...
 
FBI is looking at every single line of communication for every person identified that day ... betcha ... or ... they've identified certain individuals ... more likely ... and want to see where it leads and to whom ....


Do you remember how many of these phones there were and did we learn who got them?  I think DS had one.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Scandi on February 27, 2011, 05:16:16 PM
I found this from the Hinky Meter:

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/08/09/kyron-horman-case-did-dede-spichers-info-renew-ground-search/ (http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/08/09/kyron-horman-case-did-dede-spichers-info-renew-ground-search/)

" . . It has been reported that at least one of these friends testified that pre-paid cell phones were purchased by two or three of the friends for Terri and themselves to use so that their conversations would not be monitored. It is reported that false names were used to purchase at least three of the phones. MCSO has stated they can, indeed, track pre-paid phones, it will just take them a bit longer."


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 27, 2011, 05:18:21 PM
Scandi, as I understand it, the experts are in addition to the FBI agents.


The experts are:

http://www.kmtr.com/news/local/story/Kyron-Horman-investigation-continues-with-F-B-I/6NQmsg9WrkCCyKU1O1ohtw.cspx

The local costs include experts hired for cell tower and cell phone expertise, a private behavioral specialist and an information technology specialist, he said.


Thanks Puzzler,  Reading that do you think the cell phone man and the IT specialist  are with the FBI?  It only specifies one of these people are private.  Also, what is an information technology specialist and what would they be concentrating on.  I have no idea ???

I believe I read that the cell phone and cell tower expert from CA was hired by the county; information technology specialist would concentrate on anything electronic computers, smartphones any electronic communication emails, texting, tweeting, etc.

including bat phones or clean phones ... as they're called ... even cloned phones, if one was used ... FBI technology has the capability, like no other, to break into and track all the lines of communication ...
 
am wondering if ... a unidentifiable line to a suspect popped out and LE ... no locals anywhere ... didn't have the skill to "crack" and trace the line ...
 
FBI is looking at every single line of communication for every person identified that day ... betcha ... or ... they've identified certain individuals ... more likely ... and want to see where it leads and to whom ....


Do you remember how many of these phones there were and did we learn who got them?  I think DS had one.

What I recall off the top of my head is that Houze's investigator advised Terri to get a clean phone so that she could talk with Houze.  Her girlfriends around her at the time had different carrier services and couldn't use their phones in Terri's rural area.
So the girlfriends got clean phones, too, and that was DeDe and the three other girlfriends that testified before the Grand Jury.
I'm sorry, but I can't remember their names.  If there were any others who obtained clean phones, I'm not aware of them. 



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 27, 2011, 05:54:03 PM
This is what frustrates me more then anything in this case. We have threads and threads of cases of family involvement in the disappearance of children. It takes usually about a week, sometime a bit less, sometimes a bit more to figure out who is responsable. Just off the top of my head there are the Hailey Dunn and Zahra cases. In this case though, we have a long stream of agencies such as the FBI profilers and the FBI behavioral unit. What the hell is going on in this case? We have all of these small players, Terri, DeDe, a landscaper...Are these small people so darn smart to outwit all of these investigators?
I agree with puzzler, this is bigger then just Terri the portland housewife. I think she has a hand but they are not after the small fish but the big shark.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Gypsy DD on February 28, 2011, 11:57:13 AM
I keep going back to the Sherriffs comment that they found out things they wished they hadn't...that we'd be surprised.

Terri and her friends must have made some associations that were very deplorable..and somehow I believe that intertwines into this crime.  If Terri was sadistic ..which I believe she was..that means she may have set up a scenario where Kyron was going to be used by someone to teach him a lesson.  Rather it was sexual or torture or the two combined IDK. 

She invited the vampire in..and she infact knew Kyron would pay the price. Who her cohorts are....that remains to be seen.  But she felt comfortable enough with her friendship with at least one individual to let them know she hated Kaine and Kyron and would like to see Kyron hurt in, as Desiree says, the worst possible way.  Those are not feelings most people would confess to a friend in an email, letter or even over the phone.  Terri must have felt very comfortable with those feelings and her friendship to disclose that to someone.

Did she hand him over to a pedo who murdered him or was that the plan all along?  I think that is part and parcel of what LE is trying to get at..they need all the peprs in this crime tried..and they need physical evidence.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on February 28, 2011, 02:14:24 PM
 ::HelloKitty::

I think that it's a total rumor that Houze said to get a clean phone.

I imagine what happens is that TH calls and makes an appt to see him.  He is not some fly by night shyster.

I doubt if he plays games.  There is no need for a clean phone.  None.  There is no way he would be talking private stuff over the airwaves that can be picked up. 

I do wonder who she told that she hated Kyron


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: monchichi on February 28, 2011, 05:33:56 PM
::HelloKitty::

I think that it's a total rumor that Houze said to get a clean phone.

I imagine what happens is that TH calls and makes an appt to see him.  He is not some fly by night shyster.

I doubt if he plays games.  There is no need for a clean phone.  None.  There is no way he would be talking private stuff over the airwaves that can be picked up. 

I do wonder who she told that she hated Kyron

I totally agree.  I believe (and I could be wrong!) that this bit about Houze telling her to get a clean phone originated with Dede or Flymonkey.  I don't believe she would be conveying important, incriminating, info to Houze over the phone.  If she was just calling him to make appts. or meet up with him somewhere, she would not need a "clean" phone.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: KittyMom on March 01, 2011, 11:33:50 AM
I keep going back to the Sherriffs comment that they found out things they wished they hadn't...that we'd be surprised.

Terri and her friends must have made some associations that were very deplorable..and somehow I believe that intertwines into this crime.  If Terri was sadistic ..which I believe she was..that means she may have set up a scenario where Kyron was going to be used by someone to teach him a lesson.  Rather it was sexual or torture or the two combined IDK. 

She invited the vampire in..and she infact knew Kyron would pay the price. Who her cohorts are....that remains to be seen.  But she felt comfortable enough with her friendship with at least one individual to let them know she hated Kaine and Kyron and would like to see Kyron hurt in, as Desiree says, the worst possible way.  Those are not feelings most people would confess to a friend in an email, letter or even over the phone.  Terri must have felt very comfortable with those feelings and her friendship to disclose that to someone.

Did she hand him over to a pedo who murdered him or was that the plan all along?  I think that is part and parcel of what LE is trying to get at..they need all the peprs in this crime tried..and they need physical evidence.
I keep thinking this as well.  That she gave him to someone knowing what he'd have to endure and with the promise that he'd never be found.  I think LE found out just what a monster she is.  Terry has always reminded me of Melissa Huckaby.  I can't explain why.  She just always has.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: monchichi on March 01, 2011, 03:38:26 PM
All of the snow and rain of the past week is causing mudslides in the area.  I don't think conditions will be right for searching for a while.  But if there is evidence out there, maybe it will be uncovered.

http://www.kgw.com/news/Blizzard-for-Cascades-strong-wind-and-rain-in-Portland-Monday-117020328.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on March 01, 2011, 08:24:36 PM
Bringing over two interesting posts from BOC:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-41/#comments


1.   Lea Conner says:
February 26, 2011 at 1:54 am
Part 1
mosaic says: February 24, 2011 at 4:55 pm
的 found this exchange very interesting:
鼎ommissioner Smith: 槽I wanted to ask you that my assumptions are correct that we are on the right track.
泥eputy District Attorney Underhill: 糎hen you ask 途ight track, I want to make sure I知 understanding what right track means.
鼎ommissioner: 腺y continuing to go forward with this investigation.
泥A: 羨bsolutely, we are on the right track. Absolutely.
http://www.kgw.com/news/Sheriff-to-update-latest-on-Kyron-Horman-investigation-116491183.html
展ith his hesitation at the words 途ight track, could the DDA be suggesting that the investigation has been following a dead end? It seems to reinforce that niggling feeling that the answer is not where we think it is.
puzzled says: February 25, 2011 at 10:50 am
典hese two statements represent the status of this case
套棚t痴 an extraordinary complicated investigation on a number of levels. That痴 the bottom line, said Capt. Jason Gates with the Multnomah County Sheriff痴 Office.
殿nd Staton said 棚t痴 not an easy case and you know if it was an easy case we would have solved it months ago, that痴 just it
Blink says:
淘on a number of levels= more than one suspect B
Add to this Capt. Jason Gate痴 comment that suggests this investigation may become a cold case:
徹ne of Staton痴 top aides, Capt. Jason Gates, told reporters Thursday that investigators hope to bring things to an end 粗ither by solving the case or coming to a semi-conclusion by having done all that we can do.樗
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2014319232_apusmissingoregonboy.html
The six agents who are joining the investigation are stationed in Portland, Ore. They are not from the Behavioral Analysis Unit in Quantico, Virginia.
The six Portland-based agents who are joining in the investigation will be working with the Kyron Horman Task Force. The task force has been working with FBI profilers since Kyron went missing.
Here痴 where it gets interesting: Profilers from the Behavioral Analysis Unit made two trips to Oregon to assist in the Kyron Horman investigation: 典hey have twice been in Oregon to help with the case, once right after Kyron was reported missing and again late last month for several days, said Beth Anne Steele, a bureau spokeswoman.
http://hosted2.ap.org/txdam/54828a5e8d9d48b7ba8b94ba38a9ef22/Article_2011-02-24-Missing%20Oregon%20Boy/id-ff6997a748ae464d9a625b315b189335
The most Oregon visit by FBI profilers late January 2011 as part of the Kyron Horman investigation coincides with the multi-agency manhunt for David Anthony Durham.
Law enforcement has never connected the two cases, even though the are around David Durham痴 home was searched as part of the Kyron Horman investigation.
Continued.

2.   Lea Conner says:
February 26, 2011 at 1:56 am
Part 2
David Durham is accused of shooting a police officer on the Oregon Coast just before midnight on Sunday January 23, 2011. Monday night (January 24, 2011), 杜ore than a dozen police cars, even an ambulance, raced down Sauvie Island Road and police set up a roadblock to Durham痴 house.
http://www.katu.com/news/114534899.html.
Prior to the shooting, David Durham told people that the FBI was 登ut to get him.
http://www.registerguard.com/csp/cms/sites/web/news/cityregion/25842189-41/durham-police-fbi-lincoln-affidavit.csp
http://www.policeone.com/Fugitive/articles/3257196-Friends-Ore-officer-shooting-suspect-is-paranoid/
According to the criminal complaint filed in federal court, David Durham had been 都elling off all his personal belongings, telling persons that he was going to travel to the Caribbean and live on an island there in the three weeks prior to allegedly shooting a police officer in Lincoln County, Oregon. The Lincoln County Major Crimes Team recovered David Durham痴 U.S. Passport, which indicated he had 鍍raveled in the past to Thailand.
哲eighbor Nancy Meyer told KGW-TV she heard him discuss delusions about aliens and Armageddon. One of his delusions focused on law enforcement. 践e痴 convinced the police are going to come and get him, Meyer told the TV station. 践e痴 packed his bags, and he痴 ready to go in case Armageddon happens.
淘He had some bizarre behavior, co-worker Shauna Hendgen told the Oregon newspaper. 践e thought people were out to get him. Her 17-year-old daughter, Hannah, said Durham was deeply upset by the end of a relationship with his girlfriend. She added that Durham thought the police and the FBI were out to get him.
http://www.policeone.com/Fugitive/articles/3257196-Friends-Ore-officer-shooting-suspect-is-paranoid/
The following text previously appeared on America痴 Most Wanted (since removed):
套through the course of their investigation, investigators learned Durham may not be traveling alone.
http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=76367
Previously referenced in post here:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-17/#comment-1663734
Either this is one big coincidence, or the searches on Dixie Mountain at the end of January 2011 had something to do with the FBI Behavioral Analysis Unit痴 concerns in relation to David Anthony Durham.
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Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 01, 2011, 08:34:30 PM
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Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Scandi on March 01, 2011, 08:37:19 PM
I keep going back to the Sherriffs comment that they found out things they wished they hadn't...that we'd be surprised.

Terri and her friends must have made some associations that were very deplorable..and somehow I believe that intertwines into this crime.  If Terri was sadistic ..which I believe she was..that means she may have set up a scenario where Kyron was going to be used by someone to teach him a lesson.  Rather it was sexual or torture or the two combined IDK. 

She invited the vampire in..and she infact knew Kyron would pay the price. Who her cohorts are....that remains to be seen.  But she felt comfortable enough with her friendship with at least one individual to let them know she hated Kaine and Kyron and would like to see Kyron hurt in, as Desiree says, the worst possible way.  Those are not feelings most people would confess to a friend in an email, letter or even over the phone.  Terri must have felt very comfortable with those feelings and her friendship to disclose that to someone.

Did she hand him over to a pedo who murdered him or was that the plan all along?  I think that is part and parcel of what LE is trying to get at..they need all the peprs in this crime tried..and they need physical evidence.

Hi GypsyDD,  I've often had the same thoughts as you about TH 'letting the vampire in'.  It could be a reason Kyron didn't want to go back to Portland  It could explain so many things, the seemingly 'Rock Star' lifestyle enjoyed in the Horman household {as we have read}.  That comes from early comments following articles on the case, so not confirmable.  It just seems to fit what we have learned about TH.  With Kaine he has always been a victim so it is inappropriate to look at him with a closer eye at this point IMO. 







Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Dancing Butterfly on March 02, 2011, 01:37:21 AM
Hello Monkeys,

Portland has been having such crazy weather . .  .perhaps  the mud slides, fallen trees and floods will only bring more people out to remote areas that might otherwise go unnoticed.

 snipped from KGW

"Debris tumbled onto Germantown Road and crews closed a stretch of the roadway Tuesday as a precaution. Elsewhere, mudslides were also causing closures on SW Tichner Drive and SW College Street. Downed trees were causing yet even more closures on NW Cornelius Pass Road, NW Skyline Blvd. and Larch Mountain Rd.
Cornelius Pass, Germantown and Larch Mountains roads as well as Skyline Boulevard were all reopened mid-afternoon Tuesday.
Edit to add link.  MB  http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Blizzard-for-Cascades-strong-wind-and-rain-in-Portland-Monday-117020328.html
Please include the link in your post when you bring articles to Scared Monkeys. (copy and paste the link)  Thanks.  MuffyBee
 :-|
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Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on March 02, 2011, 08:53:11 AM
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Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Dancing Butterfly on March 02, 2011, 01:31:14 PM
  ::MonkeyEek::
Good Morning! I will be sure to post the link next time!
Thanks for the welcome.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on March 02, 2011, 01:32:33 PM
Dancing Butterfly:  Welcome aboard!



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on March 02, 2011, 02:29:20 PM
  ::MonkeyEek::
Good Morning! I will be sure to post the link next time!
Thanks for the welcome.

 ::MonkeyCool::

Hope to see you again soon!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: bebecat on March 03, 2011, 09:16:00 PM
I don't post here very often, but did not want to risk having an entire day go by without anyone posting for Kyron. The thought of him, and his mom, keep me up at night...


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: monchichi on March 04, 2011, 01:56:44 AM
I don't post here very often, but did not want to risk having an entire day go by without anyone posting for Kyron. The thought of him, and his mom, keep me up at night...

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: can on March 04, 2011, 08:07:57 AM
Prayers for Kyron and his family.
 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::FlyingFrog:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on March 04, 2011, 12:00:49 PM
Good Morning Monkeys!  ::MonkeyAngel::

Below are some snippets of information about the Federal Bureau of Investigation's Behavioral Science Unit, and how it would play a roll in Kyron's case. I for one, am very happy they are on board.


 http://www.apa.org/monitor/julaug04/criminal.aspx
 (http://www.apa.org/monitor/julaug04/criminal.aspx)
<snipped>

In 1974, the FBI formed its Behavioral Science Unit to investigate serial rape and homicide cases. From 1976 to 1979, several FBI agents--most famously John Douglas and Robert Ressler--interviewed 36 serial murderers to develop theories and categories of different types of offenders.

Most notably, they developed the idea of the "organized/disorganized dichotomy": Organized crimes are premeditated and carefully planned, so little evidence is found at the scene. Organized criminals, according to the classification scheme, are antisocial but know right from wrong, are not insane and show no remorse. Disorganized crimes, in contrast, are not planned, and criminals leave such evidence as fingerprints and blood. Disorganized criminals may be young, under the influence of alcohol or drugs, or mentally ill.

Over the past quarter-century, the Behavioral Science Unit has further developed the FBI's profiling process--including refining the organized/disorganized dichotomy into a continuum and developing other classification schemes.

"The basic premise is that behavior reflects personality," explains retired FBI agent Gregg McCrary. In a homicide case, for example, FBI agents glean insight into personality through questions about the murderer's behavior at four crime phases:



      Antecedent: What fantasy or plan, or both, did the murderer have in place before the act? What triggered the murderer to act some days and not others?


      Method and manner: What type of victim or victims did the murderer select? What was the method and manner of murder: shooting, stabbing, strangulation or something else?


      Body disposal: Did the murder and body disposal take place all at one scene, or multiple scenes?


      Postoffense behavior: Is the murderer trying to inject himself into the investigation by reacting to media reports or contacting investigators?


<snipped>

Organized behaviors--like positioning or concealing a victim's body--are the "core variables" that tend to show up most frequently and co-occur with other variables most often, he found. The differences between murderers, the researchers say, instead lie in the types of disorganized behaviors they exhibit. The study suggests that serial murderers can be divided into categories based on the way they interact with their victims: through sexual control, mutilation, execution or plunder.


http://myportfolio.usc.edu/lamar/2009/09/criminal_profiling_the_validity_of_behavior_assessment.html
 (http://myportfolio.usc.edu/lamar/2009/09/criminal_profiling_the_validity_of_behavior_assessment.html)

<snipped>

Canter brought to light two essential aspects of profiling: modus operandi and signature. The reliability and validity of criminal psychology is best exhibited in these two terms. Modus operandi is the organized aspects of a crime, which are similar between many different offenders (reliability). While the signature is the actions that occur outside the primary crime itself and are specific of just one offender, which he repeats for every offense, such as stealing from the victim or mutilating the body (validity). Work like Canter's is exactly what the field needs. This type of research will be what leads to the acceptance of this method and the realization of the psychological community and the public as a whole that criminal profiling is a useful tool.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Gypsy DD on March 04, 2011, 03:06:38 PM
Good Morning Monkeys!  ::MonkeyAngel::

Below are some snippets of information about the Federal Bureau of Investigation's Behavioral Science Unit, and how it would play a roll in Kyron's case. I for one, am very happy they are on board.


 http://www.apa.org/monitor/julaug04/criminal.aspx
 (http://www.apa.org/monitor/julaug04/criminal.aspx)
<snipped>

In 1974, the FBI formed its Behavioral Science Unit to investigate serial rape and homicide cases. From 1976 to 1979, several FBI agents--most famously John Douglas and Robert Ressler--interviewed 36 serial murderers to develop theories and categories of different types of offenders.

Most notably, they developed the idea of the "organized/disorganized dichotomy": Organized crimes are premeditated and carefully planned, so little evidence is found at the scene. Organized criminals, according to the classification scheme, are antisocial but know right from wrong, are not insane and show no remorse. Disorganized crimes, in contrast, are not planned, and criminals leave such evidence as fingerprints and blood. Disorganized criminals may be young, under the influence of alcohol or drugs, or mentally ill.

Over the past quarter-century, the Behavioral Science Unit has further developed the FBI's profiling process--including refining the organized/disorganized dichotomy into a continuum and developing other classification schemes.

"The basic premise is that behavior reflects personality," explains retired FBI agent Gregg McCrary. In a homicide case, for example, FBI agents glean insight into personality through questions about the murderer's behavior at four crime phases:



      Antecedent: What fantasy or plan, or both, did the murderer have in place before the act? What triggered the murderer to act some days and not others?


      Method and manner: What type of victim or victims did the murderer select? What was the method and manner of murder: shooting, stabbing, strangulation or something else?


      Body disposal: Did the murder and body disposal take place all at one scene, or multiple scenes?


      Postoffense behavior: Is the murderer trying to inject himself into the investigation by reacting to media reports or contacting investigators?


<snipped>

Organized behaviors--like positioning or concealing a victim's body--are the "core variables" that tend to show up most frequently and co-occur with other variables most often, he found. The differences between murderers, the researchers say, instead lie in the types of disorganized behaviors they exhibit. The study suggests that serial murderers can be divided into categories based on the way they interact with their victims: through sexual control, mutilation, execution or plunder.


http://myportfolio.usc.edu/lamar/2009/09/criminal_profiling_the_validity_of_behavior_assessment.html
 (http://myportfolio.usc.edu/lamar/2009/09/criminal_profiling_the_validity_of_behavior_assessment.html)

<snipped>

Canter brought to light two essential aspects of profiling: modus operandi and signature. The reliability and validity of criminal psychology is best exhibited in these two terms. Modus operandi is the organized aspects of a crime, which are similar between many different offenders (reliability). While the signature is the actions that occur outside the primary crime itself and are specific of just one offender, which he repeats for every offense, such as stealing from the victim or mutilating the body (validity). Work like Canter's is exactly what the field needs. This type of research will be what leads to the acceptance of this method and the realization of the psychological community and the public as a whole that criminal profiling is a useful tool.

Great article..TY Sassi


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: bebecat on March 04, 2011, 05:08:13 PM
It is a good article, but when FBI profilers first started doing this, they were examining crimes they already knew about. I am not sure how much they can determine in a crime without finding the victim, as the victim tells them so much about who might have killed them, what they were thinking, why they put them where they did, etc...very hard to figure out anything when Kyron has not been found.

I'm baffled as to what profilers would be doing at this stage in this case; I would think they would have profiled TH many months ago.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on March 04, 2011, 05:51:51 PM
Sassi - TY for such a good post.

Organized crime - very little evidence....that sounds a lot like what we're seeing in the Kyron case.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Dancing Butterfly on March 04, 2011, 09:40:34 PM
Has anyone heard that Desiree is holding a vigil outside TMH's home NOW? ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: bebecat on March 04, 2011, 11:29:06 PM
I did read on FB that there was a gathering, but that Desiree was only there "in spirit." At least according to the posters on the FB page. I think it was on the anti-TH page, not sure.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on March 05, 2011, 10:47:36 AM
It is a good article, but when FBI profilers first started doing this, they were examining crimes they already knew about. I am not sure how much they can determine in a crime without finding the victim, as the victim tells them so much about who might have killed them, what they were thinking, why they put them where they did, etc...very hard to figure out anything when Kyron has not been found.

I'm baffled as to what profilers would be doing at this stage in this case; I would think they would have profiled TH many months ago.

bebecat: I think you are possibly misunderstanding the role of the FBI BAU. Their purpose is to analyze the crime itself and establish a profile of the person(s) responsible for it. The fact that LE hasn't found Kyron yet is part of the equation, along with finding little to no physical evidence. This is interpreted to being an "organized" crime.

In this case, a crime against a child, there are patterns developed within cases. The BAU analyzes those patterns and compare them to other similar cases, creating a profile of the POI. When they create a profile of the POI, they also look at the personal dynamics around them. They look at WHY they chose that day, HOW the body was disposed of (in this case we don't know yet, but it is a core variable), WHAT their personal reactions towards the media, friends, LE, etc..

What I'm trying to say here is that the BAU are not looking for a body. They are looking for the CRIMINAL based on the facts of this case and similar historic cases. They look closely at what occurred BEFORE and AFTER the crime, with regard to the POI profile.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on March 05, 2011, 10:49:40 AM
Sassi - TY for such a good post.

Organized crime - very little evidence....that sounds a lot like what we're seeing in the Kyron case.



YW puzzler, and ITA with you. It IS "organized".


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
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Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: monchichi on March 05, 2011, 08:56:12 PM
Here is a video regarding the recent vigil in Roseburg:

http://www.katu.com/news/local/117464839.html?tab=video


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 05, 2011, 09:37:54 PM
Here is a video regarding the recent vigil in Roseburg:

http://www.katu.com/news/local/117464839.html?tab=video

Thanks!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: bebecat on March 06, 2011, 12:18:45 AM
I understand that the added FBI are not looking for a body; they are supposed to look at the crime. But what is the crime? That is my confusion?
Usually profilers know the crime and are trying to match the offender who would have committed it. But here, they don't really know what crime(s) occurred, or manner of death, type of disposal, etc. all of the things they use to determine who would have done it. That is what I meant, Sassafras, but it would not let me quote you to respond to your post, thanks.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on March 06, 2011, 01:06:36 PM
A message from Desiree.  ::MonkeyTears::


http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Team-Desiree-3/133864036644663 (http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Team-Desiree-3/133864036644663)

Desiree Davidson Young

I have full confidence that God will reveal all and then we will be able to bring Kyron home. He is not ready for us to know everything yet, but soon he will. We must learn from all that is going on as hard as it is, God teaches us through the hard times in our lives. And man is this one of those hard times, the hardest ever. We must honor Kyron by doing something good with it and that is what I intend to do. Thank you all for your support and thoughts.
18 hours ago キ

Desiree Davidson Young

I have full confidence in the truth and in God, he will reveal all that I know and all that the police know when he feels it is time for everyone to see and when he can bring my Kyron home. That is when people will see the true Terri Horman and you will be disappointed and sickened to point of throwing up. No one person should ever harm another especially a child that can稚 defend themselves. Children and my Kyron only ask for one thing in life and that is to be loved and protected.
   


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: can on March 06, 2011, 03:59:14 PM
Thanks for Desiree's message. 
Poor little Kyron.   ::MonkeyTears


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 06, 2011, 04:10:36 PM
http://www.katu.com/news/local/117464839.html
(http://media.katu.com/images/110305_no_more_silence.jpg)

(http://media.katu.com/images/110219_ask_terri_poster.jpg)

'Find Kyron' supporters put pressure on Terri Horman

Originally printed at http://www.katu.com/news/local/117464839.html
By KATU.com Staff March 5, 2011

ROSEBURG, Ore. - On Friday, the nine-month anniversary of the disappearance of Kyron Horman, those who want answers held a vigil close to his stepmother's home, hoping to put pressure on the woman to come forward with any information she might have.

Kyron Horman disappeared from Portland's Skyline School on June 4, 2010. His stepmother, Terri Horman, has not been named a person of interest or suspect in the case but she has been the focus of the investigation. Horman is believed to be staying at her parents' home in Roseburg.

Social networking helped organizers put together the vigil held within sight of Terri's parents' home. One person even traveled all the way from Longview, Washington, to show support. Organizers said they have also seen an outpouring of support from around the world.

Two weeks ago, Kyron's mother, Desiree Young, plastered posters across Roseburg that read 'Kyron is still missing - ask Terri Moulton-Horman where he is.'

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: 4 Donks on March 06, 2011, 06:54:28 PM
Are there any recent sightings of TH at her parents' house ? Just curious if she is there.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
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Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Dancing Butterfly on March 08, 2011, 12:06:20 AM
by Jeff Thompson, KGW.com Staff
Posted on March 6, 2011 at 11:20 AM
Updated today at 1:09 PM

Hello Monkeys,
Thank you for posting the info about the vigil. I had no idea it was happening. I did browse through the Roseburg's Craigslist Rants and Raves and there were a few references to TH.
I am posting the article below because of the proximity of the body to Kyron's case and it made me think of those YouTube videos. There is a picture of the man on the news sight.

http://www.kgw.com/news/Dead-man-found-in-NW-Portland-area-117489748.html

PORTLAND A man found dead near NW Skyline Road was identified Sunday as 35-year-old Javier Trejo-Richarte, according to the Multnomah County Medical Examiner's Office.
The death was being investigated as suspicious, Lt. Mary Lindstrand said.

Deputies received a call at around 6 p.m. Saturday evening that a body was lying just off the roadway, near NW Moreland and NW Johnson Roads in the 20400 block of Skyline Boulevard.

 ::snipping2::

Edited: to snip the article as we have asked not to post articles now in their entirety


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 08, 2011, 09:55:53 AM
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Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on March 08, 2011, 11:06:44 AM
This was posted by Tuba at WS. Thank you Tuba!:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125354&page=7 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125354&page=7)

Judging the Farewell to Kyron chart and the Last Seen by Others chart, Websleuths noted that his stepmother had someone tucked away in House 12 as a secret lover. There was just no getting round that.

In the Last Seen by Others, we had left the halls of the school and were outside in the parking lot. The II Sun on the same degree of the node is intercepted and represents not one but, in II, two vehicles in a private happening away from public view.

The Pisces Moon that morning was contraparallel Saturn and was therefore scheming, emphasised by her rulership of House 12. She and the Sun were square, taking pains to get this right and making an effort. Mars, ruling the child, was disposited by the Sun of two vehicles and the Sun in turn, was disposited by Mercury critical (21ー Taurus). I believe Kyron was put into this man's vehicle, the second or other truck. After all, Mercury is disposited by Venus in House 12, the hidden love interest. That's who the driver was.

We also know that the critical degree of Mercury has the force of tightening the orb of his T-square to the betrayal Mars-Neptune opposition, implicating this man in the whole affair or event.

The Pisces Moon parallel to Saturn does provide the scheming element to Kyron's disappearance but also ages the parties involved in this sophmoric scheme. The other driver should be slimmer than TMH, taller and may own land that he tills.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on March 08, 2011, 11:11:24 AM
Another post by Tuba. Again, Thank you!

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125354&page=7 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125354&page=7)

The Pisces Moon from June 4 had last passed over Neptune and it is Neptune that comes in as opponent to Mars of the child, the treacherous agent. Neptune rules House 9 of strangers and I don't believe that Kyron knew "Slim". Saturn and Neptune are all of a piece, describing "Slim" because of their tight, tight quincunx.

Kyron had real hesitation and concern about going with or having anything to do with this stranger. See Mercury critical square critical House 2 of his own protective instincts. In defending himself, Leo rising also = Kyron, Leo being the child Sign and the low degree indicating his young age. The Pisces Moon square the Sun tells us there was conflict between Kyron and TMH over this. In a Succedent House, as House 11 is, she knew she was taking a huge risk of being seen or creating a scene and that she was acting in a razor's edge situation.

TMH last over afflicted Neptune had erred, morally and in judgment, a grave mistake to have dealings with "Slim" but going forward, she would do no better because she applies to a spent Jupiter (29ー) overwhelmed by crazed 0ー Uranus.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 08, 2011, 03:10:07 PM
Another post by Tuba. Again, Thank you!

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125354&page=7 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125354&page=7)

The Pisces Moon from June 4 had last passed over Neptune and it is Neptune that comes in as opponent to Mars of the child, the treacherous agent. Neptune rules House 9 of strangers and I don't believe that Kyron knew "Slim". Saturn and Neptune are all of a piece, describing "Slim" because of their tight, tight quincunx.

Kyron had real hesitation and concern about going with or having anything to do with this stranger. See Mercury critical square critical House 2 of his own protective instincts. In defending himself, Leo rising also = Kyron, Leo being the child Sign and the low degree indicating his young age. The Pisces Moon square the Sun tells us there was conflict between Kyron and TMH over this. In a Succedent House, as House 11 is, she knew she was taking a huge risk of being seen or creating a scene and that she was acting in a razor's edge situation.

TMH last over afflicted Neptune had erred, morally and in judgment, a grave mistake to have dealings with "Slim" but going forward, she would do no better because she applies to a spent Jupiter (29ー) overwhelmed by crazed 0ー Uranus.

Thanks for posting the Tuba postings. I am not following this one though. What is she saying?



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 08, 2011, 03:30:41 PM
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Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on March 08, 2011, 04:51:21 PM
http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-national/kyron-horman-case-man-s-body-found-near-area-where-boy-vanished#ixzz1Fz0DmUoG


Kyron Horman case: Man痴 body found near area where boy vanished

Portland, Ore. - On Saturday, a man痴 body was found in Northwest Portland near the location where missing Oregon boy, Kyron Horman vanished 9 months ago.

Mary Lindstrand with the Multnomah County Sheriff痴 Office, said there is some speculation as to whether there exists a connection between Kyron痴 disappearance and the dead man. The man痴 body was found around 6 p.m. Saturday off Northwest Skyline Boulevard.

(snip)





Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 08, 2011, 05:47:05 PM
http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-national/kyron-horman-case-man-s-body-found-near-area-where-boy-vanished#ixzz1Fz0DmUoG


Kyron Horman case: Man痴 body found near area where boy vanished

Portland, Ore. - On Saturday, a man痴 body was found in Northwest Portland near the location where missing Oregon boy, Kyron Horman vanished 9 months ago.

Mary Lindstrand with the Multnomah County Sheriff痴 Office, said there is some speculation as to whether there exists a connection between Kyron痴 disappearance and the dead man. The man痴 body was found around 6 p.m. Saturday off Northwest Skyline Boulevard.

(snip)






Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 08, 2011, 05:48:26 PM
Oops I forgot to type out my question.
So why would their be speculation? Because he was found near the same area? Has the name of the man been released?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on March 08, 2011, 05:55:13 PM
Another post by Tuba. Again, Thank you!

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125354&page=7 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125354&page=7)

The Pisces Moon from June 4 had last passed over Neptune and it is Neptune that comes in as opponent to Mars of the child, the treacherous agent. Neptune rules House 9 of strangers and I don't believe that Kyron knew "Slim". Saturn and Neptune are all of a piece, describing "Slim" because of their tight, tight quincunx.

Kyron had real hesitation and concern about going with or having anything to do with this stranger. See Mercury critical square critical House 2 of his own protective instincts. In defending himself, Leo rising also = Kyron, Leo being the child Sign and the low degree indicating his young age. The Pisces Moon square the Sun tells us there was conflict between Kyron and TMH over this. In a Succedent House, as House 11 is, she knew she was taking a huge risk of being seen or creating a scene and that she was acting in a razor's edge situation.

TMH last over afflicted Neptune had erred, morally and in judgment, a grave mistake to have dealings with "Slim" but going forward, she would do no better because she applies to a spent Jupiter (29ー) overwhelmed by crazed 0ー Uranus.

Thanks for posting the Tuba postings. I am not following this one though. What is she saying?



Hey TG!

What I believe that Tuba is saying is that Kyron didn't know the person that took him but that he had personal ties with TH, meaning sexually, and that Kyron was hesitant about going with him. Tuba also seems to say that TH knew it was risky having someone take Kyron, but she did it anyway.

Per Tuba's posting, Kyron was defiant with Terri, and she didn't like it.

That's what I got out of it.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on March 08, 2011, 06:03:31 PM
Oops I forgot to type out my question.
So why would their be speculation? Because he was found near the same area? Has the name of the man been released?

His name is Javier Trejo-Richarte. I looked him up and it's not making sense to me. I have 3 addresses tied to him, and the first one is an address that belongs to a recycling center. These are the addresses and relatives:

First Name   JAVIER   Last Name   TREJO
Primary Address   3900 NW YEON AVE   City   PORTLAND
State   OR   ZIP Code   97210

First Name    JAVIER    Middle Initial    R
Last Name    TREJO    Address    6120 SW 162ND PL
City    ALOHA    State    OR
Zip    97007    AKA    TREJO, RICHARTE, JAVIER

First Name    JAVIER    Middle Initial    R
Last Name    TREJO    Address    2435 SW ECOLE AVE
Address (line 2)    84    City    CEDAR HILLS
State    OR    Zip    97005
AKA    TREJO, RICHARTE, JAVIER


Possible Relatives:

BORJA, JERONIMO TREJO (Age 59)
TREJO, LUCIA GUADALUPE (Age 34)
TREJO, BORJA J (Age 59)
TREJO, SUSANA (Age 28)
TREJO, RICHARTE (Age 39)
BORJA, LUCIA TREJO (Age 59)
TREJO, MARIA CONCEPCION (Age 37)
TREJO, GERONIMO B
TREJO, JAVIER R

Even with this info, he wasn't close to home. Was he dumped there? I don't know, but it's an awful coincidence that he happened to be found there. JMO


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 08, 2011, 06:07:12 PM
Thanks Sass! I wonder who Terri gave Kyron to and for what purpose. What ever it is, may she get it back to her 10 times worse someday. Kyron deserved better then her.

So the mans body was found near the logie trail area of skyline blvd. I find it interesting that given the 5-10 miles distance there is speculation if the two cases are connected. I found his name, sorry for my dumb question I posted. There is also a pic of him on the link Dancing Butterfly posted. I can't find much on him, has anyone else tried?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on March 08, 2011, 06:12:51 PM
Thanks Sass! I wonder who Terri gave Kyron to and for what purpose. What ever it is, may she get it back to her 10 times worse someday. Kyron deserved better then her.

So the mans body was found near the logie trail area of skyline blvd. I find it interesting that given the 5-10 miles distance there is speculation if the two cases are connected. I found his name, sorry for my dumb question I posted. There is also a pic of him on the link Dancing Butterfly posted. I can't find much on him, has anyone else tried?

Per Blink, his criminal record consists of 3 misdemeanors and 1 DUI.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on March 09, 2011, 12:19:12 AM
Oops I forgot to type out my question.
So why would their be speculation? Because he was found near the same area? Has the name of the man been released?

TG - I would "think" that he was dumped there.  He'd been dead for about a week.  I don稚 know how he came to be found, but lying there for a week is a long time.  Autopsy gave no obvious cause of death and they池e waiting on toxicology results.

http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/7b343f7ea098499f82a4a256eb7b7a81/OR--Portland-Suspicious-Death/

His death is being investigated as 都uspicious.

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Dead-man-found-in-NW-Portland-area-117489748.html

The location of the finding was unusual as the body was in a line...from Skyline School to Dixie Mountain. 
Here's a link to a great map with markers that was on WS; go to post #190:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6192202



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on March 09, 2011, 02:02:25 AM
Five days ago, March 4, 2011, marked nine months that Kyron's been missing.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Monkey King on March 10, 2011, 11:44:58 PM
Whatever happened to Durham?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Monkey King on March 10, 2011, 11:57:28 PM
As far as I know, it's been 9 very long months and TH still hasnt been named a suspect or POI.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: KittyMom on March 11, 2011, 11:28:29 AM
Any chance this possibe tnaumsi will uncover Kyron's body?  If there can be anything good from this,let it be Kyron being found.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: monchichi on March 11, 2011, 12:27:14 PM
Any chance this possibe tnaumsi will uncover Kyron's body?  If there can be anything good from this,let it be Kyron being found.

The tsunami warnings are for the coast--Seaside and Cannon Beach.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: KittyMom on March 11, 2011, 02:03:03 PM
Any chance this possibe tnaumsi will uncover Kyron's body?  If there can be anything good from this,let it be Kyron being found.

The tsunami warnings are for the coast--Seaside and Cannon Beach.
Thanks.  I was really hoping the disaster would have something positive come from it.  Truth be told, I was also enjoying the thought of TH sitting in front of a tv, biting her nails over the possibility that her actions were about to be discovered and only God could stop it. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Brandi on March 11, 2011, 03:23:39 PM
Any chance this possibe tnaumsi will uncover Kyron's body?  If there can be anything good from this,let it be Kyron being found.

The tsunami warnings are for the coast--Seaside and Cannon Beach.
Thanks.  I was really hoping the disaster would have something positive come from it.  Truth be told, I was also enjoying the thought of TH sitting in front of a tv, biting her nails over the possibility that her actions were about to be discovered and only God could stop it. 

CNN is streaming live shots of Lincoln Beach Oregon (South west of Portland) right now. (Because of the tsunami.)

http://www.cnn.com/video/flashLive/live.html?stream=1 (Click on Oregon video)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Brandi on March 11, 2011, 03:27:18 PM
KOIN also providing live coverage: http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/live/default.aspx


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Scandi on March 11, 2011, 09:16:45 PM
Hi Guys,  I was up off Skyline this afternoon and it was beautiful.  The sun was shining around the clouds.  I thought about Kyron the whole time wondering where he could be.

I wish LE would let go of something in the case.  It is kind of odd we haven't had an update on the dead man found.  I don't think it takes that long for the toxicology, eh?  If we don't hear any more about him in the next couple of weeks then I think that will be very telling.  xox


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on March 11, 2011, 10:17:18 PM
Hi Guys,  I was up off Skyline this afternoon and it was beautiful.  The sun was shining around the clouds.  I thought about Kyron the whole time wondering where he could be.

I wish LE would let go of something in the case.  It is kind of odd we haven't had an update on the dead man found.  I don't think it takes that long for the toxicology, eh?  If we don't hear any more about him in the next couple of weeks then I think that will be very telling.  xox

Somebody, correct me if I'm wrong, but I do believe the tox tests take a long time, about 6 weeks.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on March 12, 2011, 02:57:19 PM
Well it looks like Kim Holms has problems. I'm curious if her drinking partner was TH.  ::MonkeyEek::

I had to BLEEP a lot out, but you get the gist of it.

2/28/2011

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000645197805&v=wall&ref=search (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000645197805&v=wall&ref=search)

Avery Villarreal
Dumb (BLEEP) is still drinking
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 Katarina Maria Arambula No way!
  Friday at 7:07pm
 
Avery Villarreal yup. last night and today at least that's the only times we've caught her so who knows when
she "started" again. Im assuming it was yesterday or Wednesday because she had a doctors apt.
Wednesday afternoon. (BLEEP) Holm's
 Friday at 7:38pm

 Katarina Maria Arambula wow...
 Saturday at 1:55am
       
 Monika Holm Sad!!
 20 hours ago

Avery Villarreal she crashed again. thank you Satan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And (BLEEP) You god
February 10 at 8:07pm

Monika Holm Thats not very nice. She really makes me angry. Thanks for calling grandma and letting her
know whats going on..
February 11 at 7:19am

Monika Holm You guys need to come over here. I need to talk with you what is your number. So how is she doing?
February 11 at 2:07pm


Avery Villarreal I guess she had surgery yesterday. she broke a couple ribs and did something to her liver.
my number is XXX-XXXX
February 11 at 2:18pm

Monika Holm stupid (BLEEP). Why dont you guys just move here. And bring Kurtis and Joseph with you..

Jeffrey Pulliam Sr. God is good and god is real!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I will pray for your Mom and i ALWAYS PRAY FOR YOU GOD BLESS YOU!!!!!!!!!
February 12 at 2:04pm

Jeffrey Pulliam Sr. Alcoholism is a disease! I am sure you know that you are a smart Young man.
February 12 at 2:13pm


3/10/2011

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(BLEEP) (BLEEP) back home and drunk again. when you goin to die (BLEEP)?(my mom)
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            Thursday at 3:34pm
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            Cameron Villarreal she suppose to be detox an go to rehab by tmw. if she not detox then jail.
            Yesterday at 6:57am
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            Alex Torres Rodriguez Wow bro r u sirious??? Dang has she been drinking alot????




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on March 12, 2011, 03:22:43 PM
 ::HelloKitty:: ::HelloKitty::

She said that she was a careful mom about who she let her kids be with.  Man, those kids hate their mom! 

I don't think she is who she appeared to be on that TV interview-the concerned, careful Mom


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on March 12, 2011, 03:30:25 PM
::HelloKitty:: ::HelloKitty::

She said that she was a careful mom about who she let her kids be with.  Man, those kids hate their mom! 

I don't think she is who she appeared to be on that TV interview-the concerned, careful Mom

I agree. I don't think she is who she thinks she is either. I'd like to know what happened that would throw her in jail though.

I don't trust this woman and have had a hinky feeling from her, from the get go.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on March 12, 2011, 03:35:27 PM
One other thing. Why are 3 of her kids named Villarreal, and 2 named Holm? Was Cat the father, or was she messing around on him? Is that why the kids have so much anger?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: starwynn on March 12, 2011, 08:44:54 PM
::HelloKitty:: ::HelloKitty::

She said that she was a careful mom about who she let her kids be with.  Man, those kids hate their mom! 

I don't think she is who she appeared to be on that TV interview-the concerned, careful Mom

That is really very very sad, isn't it?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on March 13, 2011, 12:08:40 AM
 ::HelloKitty::

I wonder who is taking care of the 2 little boys?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Scandi on March 13, 2011, 01:24:03 AM
Hi Guys,  I was up off Skyline this afternoon and it was beautiful.  The sun was shining around the clouds.  I thought about Kyron the whole time wondering where he could be.

I wish LE would let go of something in the case.  It is kind of odd we haven't had an update on the dead man found.  I don't think it takes that long for the toxicology, eh?  If we don't hear any more about him in the next couple of weeks then I think that will be very telling.  xox

Somebody, correct me if I'm wrong, but I do believe the tox tests take a long time, about 6 weeks.

Yes,  You're probably right Puzzler.  I think it depends on the importance of the case and how the LE/Prosecutor puts it across to the ME.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Scandi on March 13, 2011, 01:46:19 AM
This was posted by Tuba at WS. Thank you Tuba!:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125354&page=7 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125354&page=7)

Judging the Farewell to Kyron chart and the Last Seen by Others chart, Websleuths noted that his stepmother had someone tucked away in House 12 as a secret lover. There was just no getting round that.

In the Last Seen by Others, we had left the halls of the school and were outside in the parking lot. The II Sun on the same degree of the node is intercepted and represents not one but, in II, two vehicles in a private happening away from public view.

The Pisces Moon that morning was contraparallel Saturn and was therefore scheming, emphasised by her rulership of House 12. She and the Sun were square, taking pains to get this right and making an effort. Mars, ruling the child, was disposited by the Sun of two vehicles and the Sun in turn, was disposited by Mercury critical (21ー Taurus). I believe Kyron was put into this man's vehicle, the second or other truck. After all, Mercury is disposited by Venus in House 12, the hidden love interest. That's who the driver was.

We also know that the critical degree of Mercury has the force of tightening the orb of his T-square to the betrayal Mars-Neptune opposition, implicating this man in the whole affair or event.

The Pisces Moon parallel to Saturn does provide the scheming element to Kyron's disappearance but also ages the parties involved in this sophmoric scheme. The other driver should be slimmer than TMH, taller and may own land that he tills.

Hi Sassifrass,  My heart just skipped a beat when I thought of someone on SI who tills his fields and does have a connection to Skyline school.  He runs a big family business there.  I don't want to put his name out here but he is well known and does own one of the major farms on the island.  Could they know each other?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Scandi on March 13, 2011, 01:47:20 AM
Edit above post:  BTW, his name was brought up early on in the case.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on March 13, 2011, 01:58:24 AM
Edit above post:  BTW, his name was brought up early on in the case.

Scandi - interesting


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on March 13, 2011, 03:17:10 AM
One other thing. Why are 3 of her kids named Villarreal, and 2 named Holm? Was Cat the father, or was she messing around on him? Is that why the kids have so much anger?

Sass..TY for the information - I know this person has been on your "radar" for some time.

Q: Do we know how long she's had a drinking "problem"  -  a long time - or only the past year?



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on March 13, 2011, 03:27:49 AM
 ::HelloKitty::

I don't know who knows about Kim's drinking history, but I don't think that she could have such a serious problem in a short space of time.  And one where her children are so antagonistic.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Gypsy DD on March 13, 2011, 10:15:01 AM
::HelloKitty::

I don't know who knows about Kim's drinking history, but I don't think that she could have such a serious problem in a short space of time.  And one where her children are so antagonistic.

I am guessing that Terri and Kim were drinking buddies.

I think Kim knows  more then she is saying about this whole scene.   I have always thought that way..especially since her young son spent time with Kyron and the Horman family.

 I have a feeling she may know who Terri's lovers were.  And could Kim be the person that Terri confided to her hatred for Kyron.  Seems Kim's kids have alot of hatred for her also.  Maybe she and Terri were both just plain mean drunks..and fed off each other.

Just typing as I think outloud.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Gypsy DD on March 13, 2011, 10:18:31 AM
This was posted by Tuba at WS. Thank you Tuba!:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125354&page=7 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125354&page=7)

Judging the Farewell to Kyron chart and the Last Seen by Others chart, Websleuths noted that his stepmother had someone tucked away in House 12 as a secret lover. There was just no getting round that.

In the Last Seen by Others, we had left the halls of the school and were outside in the parking lot. The II Sun on the same degree of the node is intercepted and represents not one but, in II, two vehicles in a private happening away from public view.

The Pisces Moon that morning was contraparallel Saturn and was therefore scheming, emphasised by her rulership of House 12. She and the Sun were square, taking pains to get this right and making an effort. Mars, ruling the child, was disposited by the Sun of two vehicles and the Sun in turn, was disposited by Mercury critical (21ー Taurus). I believe Kyron was put into this man's vehicle, the second or other truck. After all, Mercury is disposited by Venus in House 12, the hidden love interest. That's who the driver was.

We also know that the critical degree of Mercury has the force of tightening the orb of his T-square to the betrayal Mars-Neptune opposition, implicating this man in the whole affair or event.

The Pisces Moon parallel to Saturn does provide the scheming element to Kyron's disappearance but also ages the parties involved in this sophmoric scheme. The other driver should be slimmer than TMH, taller and may own land that he tills.

Hi Sassifrass,  My heart just skipped a beat when I thought of someone on SI who tills his fields and does have a connection to Skyline school.  He runs a big family business there.  I don't want to put his name out here but he is well known and does own one of the major farms on the island.  Could they know each other?


Sassi could you atleast give initials  as a hint to this man.

I wonder if this is how DeDe fits in this case.  DeDe of the learning to farm and organic growing.  She could have been the access for Terri to the growing and farming community.  DeDe may have introduced these two.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 13, 2011, 12:54:20 PM
Probably not a good idea to post the initials if this is all a guess.  We don't want to drag innocent people into it unless we have some kind of proof besides forensic astrology.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on March 13, 2011, 01:30:49 PM
This was posted by Tuba at WS. Thank you Tuba!:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125354&page=7 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125354&page=7)

Judging the Farewell to Kyron chart and the Last Seen by Others chart, Websleuths noted that his stepmother had someone tucked away in House 12 as a secret lover. There was just no getting round that.

In the Last Seen by Others, we had left the halls of the school and were outside in the parking lot. The II Sun on the same degree of the node is intercepted and represents not one but, in II, two vehicles in a private happening away from public view.

The Pisces Moon that morning was contraparallel Saturn and was therefore scheming, emphasised by her rulership of House 12. She and the Sun were square, taking pains to get this right and making an effort. Mars, ruling the child, was disposited by the Sun of two vehicles and the Sun in turn, was disposited by Mercury critical (21ー Taurus). I believe Kyron was put into this man's vehicle, the second or other truck. After all, Mercury is disposited by Venus in House 12, the hidden love interest. That's who the driver was.

We also know that the critical degree of Mercury has the force of tightening the orb of his T-square to the betrayal Mars-Neptune opposition, implicating this man in the whole affair or event.

The Pisces Moon parallel to Saturn does provide the scheming element to Kyron's disappearance but also ages the parties involved in this sophmoric scheme. The other driver should be slimmer than TMH, taller and may own land that he tills.

Hi Sassifrass,  My heart just skipped a beat when I thought of someone on SI who tills his fields and does have a connection to Skyline school.  He runs a big family business there.  I don't want to put his name out here but he is well known and does own one of the major farms on the island.  Could they know each other?


Sassi could you atleast give initials  as a hint to this man.

I wonder if this is how DeDe fits in this case.  DeDe of the learning to farm and organic growing.  She could have been the access for Terri to the growing and farming community.  DeDe may have introduced these two.

Hey Gypsy!

I think you meant Scandi.  ::MonkeyTongue::

I agree with Klaas. Although I admire Tuba for her work, and it may be accurate or may be inaccurate, it's not science that is provable.

I know who Scandi was talking about and I believe there is NOTHING hinky about him. He's a hard working man that seems to love his life and the work he does. JMO.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Gypsy DD on March 13, 2011, 07:50:12 PM
Probably not a good idea to post the initials if this is all a guess.  We don't want to drag innocent people into it unless we have some kind of proof besides forensic astrology.

Thanks Klaas..you are right.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Gypsy DD on March 13, 2011, 07:51:54 PM
This was posted by Tuba at WS. Thank you Tuba!:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125354&page=7 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125354&page=7)

Judging the Farewell to Kyron chart and the Last Seen by Others chart, Websleuths noted that his stepmother had someone tucked away in House 12 as a secret lover. There was just no getting round that.

In the Last Seen by Others, we had left the halls of the school and were outside in the parking lot. The II Sun on the same degree of the node is intercepted and represents not one but, in II, two vehicles in a private happening away from public view.

The Pisces Moon that morning was contraparallel Saturn and was therefore scheming, emphasised by her rulership of House 12. She and the Sun were square, taking pains to get this right and making an effort. Mars, ruling the child, was disposited by the Sun of two vehicles and the Sun in turn, was disposited by Mercury critical (21ー Taurus). I believe Kyron was put into this man's vehicle, the second or other truck. After all, Mercury is disposited by Venus in House 12, the hidden love interest. That's who the driver was.

We also know that the critical degree of Mercury has the force of tightening the orb of his T-square to the betrayal Mars-Neptune opposition, implicating this man in the whole affair or event.

The Pisces Moon parallel to Saturn does provide the scheming element to Kyron's disappearance but also ages the parties involved in this sophmoric scheme. The other driver should be slimmer than TMH, taller and may own land that he tills.

Hi Sassifrass,  My heart just skipped a beat when I thought of someone on SI who tills his fields and does have a connection to Skyline school.  He runs a big family business there.  I don't want to put his name out here but he is well known and does own one of the major farms on the island.  Could they know each other?


Sassi could you atleast give initials  as a hint to this man.

I wonder if this is how DeDe fits in this case.  DeDe of the learning to farm and organic growing.  She could have been the access for Terri to the growing and farming community.  DeDe may have introduced these two.

Hey Gypsy!

I think you meant Scandi.  ::MonkeyTongue::

I agree with Klaas. Although I admire Tuba for her work, and it may be accurate or may be inaccurate, it's not science that is provable.

I know who Scandi was talking about and I believe there is NOTHING hinky about him. He's a hard working man that seems to love his life and the work he does. JMO.  ::MonkeyWink::

Well then..I would not think that would be the type of guy to do anything in regards to Terri or Kyron. 

Thank you for your response.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on March 14, 2011, 09:30:14 AM
http://www.examiner.com/criminal-profiles-in-national/fbi-beefing-up-bau-agents-on-kyron-horman-case-now-did-profilers-help-before

FBI sends more BAU agents for Kyron Horman case - Did profilers help before?


(snip)  The FBI is seeking to gain congressional support to aid them in their capabilities in combating crime on the Internet.

That effort, announced recently and referred to as combating "dark spots", which refers to criminals "going dark" online in encrypted chat rooms and such, could very well play a role in the Kyron Horman case   (snip)





Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on March 14, 2011, 09:45:38 AM
http://www.examiner.com/criminal-profiles-in-national/fbi-beefing-up-bau-agents-on-kyron-horman-case-now-did-profilers-help-before

FBI sends more BAU agents for Kyron Horman case - Did profilers help before?


(snip)  The FBI is seeking to gain congressional support to aid them in their capabilities in combating crime on the Internet.

That effort, announced recently and referred to as combating "dark spots", which refers to criminals "going dark" online in encrypted chat rooms and such, could very well play a role in the Kyron Horman case   (snip)





Just a quick note:  Article is dated February 24, 2011, and refers to six additional FBI agents that were added to assist in Kyron's case.  I believe it was posted here at SM previously (so it's not additional  FBI agents added after the announcement of the addition of the six a few weeks ago), but what's really interesting is the portion of the article Puzzler has noted Is the references to the chat rooms.  Good catch, Puzzler. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: melisb on March 14, 2011, 11:07:24 AM
http://www.examiner.com/criminal-profiles-in-national/fbi-beefing-up-bau-agents-on-kyron-horman-case-now-did-profilers-help-before

FBI sends more BAU agents for Kyron Horman case - Did profilers help before?


(snip)  The FBI is seeking to gain congressional support to aid them in their capabilities in combating crime on the Internet.

That effort, announced recently and referred to as combating "dark spots", which refers to criminals "going dark" online in encrypted chat rooms and such, could very well play a role in the Kyron Horman case   (snip)





That sentence about chat rooms lends itself to child trafficking in a way, well, to me it does.  Child porn freaks and traffickers are usually very computer literate.  In a way I want so much for him to be alive but then again the horrible things that would have been done to him by now just make me want to hurl!  I hate to keep saying this or bringing it up but sometimes the videos by (I'm gonna get the name wrong) 'musicnewsworldtoday' that made all the youtube vids about TH and Kyron, I keep going back to this guy she calls Dr. Death who sadisticly loves little children.  I believe she said tortured, and murdered?  Is there any possibe way that this nut could be right and there is such a guy that exists and somehow met TH and agreed to carry out her wishes of making Kyron disappear forever?  How awful but right now, as I see it, we are left with two things, 1. TH did away with him herself and we just haven't discovered this baby yet, or, 2.  She allowed him to be taken off from the school and was given to a monster.  We have been led to believe that TH did not walk out of the school with Ky and possibly someone saw Ky being led out, or by a truck or, or, or...Please Kyron baby, if you can, give us some kind of sign soe we can get to you.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 14, 2011, 11:27:13 AM
http://www.examiner.com/criminal-profiles-in-national/fbi-beefing-up-bau-agents-on-kyron-horman-case-now-did-profilers-help-before

FBI sends more BAU agents for Kyron Horman case - Did profilers help before?


(snip)  The FBI is seeking to gain congressional support to aid them in their capabilities in combating crime on the Internet.

That effort, announced recently and referred to as combating "dark spots", which refers to criminals "going dark" online in encrypted chat rooms and such, could very well play a role in the Kyron Horman case   (snip)




Thanks Puzzler  ::MonkeyEek::  Not real familiar about this, but only think I can think of is child porn or trafficking  ::MonkeyNoNo::  Melisb I hear what you are saying about those bizarre videos, sometimes there is a bit of truth mixed in with the craziness, who knows, but I sure didn't forget about those videos.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on March 14, 2011, 12:54:32 PM
http://www.examiner.com/criminal-profiles-in-national/fbi-beefing-up-bau-agents-on-kyron-horman-case-now-did-profilers-help-before

FBI sends more BAU agents for Kyron Horman case - Did profilers help before?


(snip)  The FBI is seeking to gain congressional support to aid them in their capabilities in combating crime on the Internet.

That effort, announced recently and referred to as combating "dark spots", which refers to criminals "going dark" online in encrypted chat rooms and such, could very well play a role in the Kyron Horman case   (snip)




Thanks Puzzler  ::MonkeyEek::  Not real familiar about this, but only think I can think of is child porn or trafficking  ::MonkeyNoNo::  Melisb I hear what you are saying about those bizarre videos, sometimes there is a bit of truth mixed in with the craziness, who knows, but I sure didn't forget about those videos.

I'm just so happy that LE has hired the 3 experts and FBI is using 6 agents on Kyron's case.  LE wants to follow the electronics trail and obviously they should.  The local and state LEs do not have access to all the electronic records that the FBI does.  I believe this electronic search (FBI can obtain records a year old and can trace Terri's trail way back) is going to give LE the proof they need  to arrest Terri; if they get to the end of the trail and there's no evidence, then it will clear Terri.   

What if it's not Terri? They will also be looking at every single cell phone activity within the area of Skyline School for a certain period of time.  In other words, if the perp used electronics, the FBI will find out.

What if the perp didn't use electronics?  Those people are hard to find, but, again, the FBI  would have a better chance at finding that type person than local LE....afterall, whoever did this horrible thing has eluded local LE for 9 months.

So, like I said, I'm really glad the experts and FBI are on the case now.  It gives me hope.   


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on March 14, 2011, 01:08:38 PM
Just reading at BOC and they're following this about the FBI agents, too.  A good little post by beejay to remind us that these FBI agents are "investigative agents" (that's what I thought, because the profilers had already been there; Staton said the profilers told them where to look and what to check out, etc.)

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/

beejay says:
March 14, 2011 at 9:30 am
Just want to clarify that the 砥p to six FBI agents now assisting on Ky痴 case are NOT BAU agents. They don稚 have that training. They are FBI special agents, already based in Portland, who are investigative personnel.

I keep reading that the 砥p to six are BAU and that might be confusing people who池e wondering why BAU is needed now. BAU profiled Ky originally; came back here in late Jan to review the case.





Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on March 14, 2011, 01:34:39 PM
Puzzler: I think there is confusion because a few media outlets are stating different info.

There was this link that was posted.

http://www.kmtr.com/news/local/story/Kyron-Horman-investigation-continues-with-F-B-I/6NQmsg9WrkCCyKU1O1ohtw.cspx (http://www.kmtr.com/news/local/story/Kyron-Horman-investigation-continues-with-F-B-I/6NQmsg9WrkCCyKU1O1ohtw.cspx)

Then there was this link.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/02/fbi_will_dedicate_up_to_six_ag.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/02/fbi_will_dedicate_up_to_six_ag.html)

So, it's not difficult to get confused when you have different news outlets stating something different, IMO.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 14, 2011, 09:16:18 PM
I have often wondered if Kyron was used in a drug trafficking ring.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on March 15, 2011, 09:10:17 AM
A comparison of the man arrested yesterday, March 14, (referred to with a link in the BOC post below) to the man who was found dead recently on the road close to the searches on Dixie Mountain, is interesting and I致e provided a link with a picture of that man, as well.  They almost look like they belong to a 堵roup or 堵ang.

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-58/#comments

1.   Kimberly says:
March 14, 2011 at 5:13 pm
Well, Found some interesting 田oincedences while sleuthing today.
MCSO is currently housing a man , whose picture I致e seen before on their website and noticed then, as well as today some striking similarities to faces we 徒now in this case.
Initials of the person are FJB, Take a look as see what ya think.

http://pdxmugshots.com/mug/francisco-javier-barajas

veromi lists the last name of Barajas with a connection to
the Barajas/Estrada痴 in Woodburn, and more specifically to Jaime.
FJB fully spelled out on Veromi, lists connections as well, but, also shows what I had suspected since sleuthing all of these names, ties to Klamath falls, Or. IMO
While this is all my suspicion and MOO, I知 seeing and have been seeing alot of familiar first names and the thousands (exagerated, lol) of last names not only in PDX, but, appears to have migrated from Klamath falls.
We all know who has ties there, and, IIRC, Blink herself stated that she believed DDS definately knew the landscaper involved in this.

Link to man found dead Javier:

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Dead-man-found-in-NW-Portland-area-117489748.html










Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Scatty on March 15, 2011, 03:49:39 PM
::HelloKitty::

I don't know who knows about Kim's drinking history, but I don't think that she could have such a serious problem in a short space of time.  And one where her children are so antagonistic.

I am guessing that Terri and Kim were drinking buddies.

I think Kim knows  more then she is saying about this whole scene.   I have always thought that way..especially since her young son spent time with Kyron and the Horman family.

 I have a feeling she may know who Terri's lovers were.  And could Kim be the person that Terri confided to her hatred for Kyron.  Seems Kim's kids have alot of hatred for her also.  Maybe she and Terri were both just plain mean drunks..and fed off each other.

Just typing as I think outloud.  ::MonkeyCool::

 ::rhino:: I too have always had a hinky feeling about Kim and even her eldest son. I can't help but wonder if cougar Terri may have tried to entice him in order to use him in some way.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 16, 2011, 08:24:09 PM
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Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on March 16, 2011, 10:05:53 PM
Desiree is on a roller derby team

"Roller derby teams raise money for Kyron Horman search fund"
http://www.portlandtribune.com/news/sto ... 5079563300



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: starwynn on March 16, 2011, 10:56:06 PM
Desiree is on a roller derby team

"Roller derby teams raise money for Kyron Horman search fund"
http://www.portlandtribune.com/news/sto ... 5079563300



http://www.portlandtribune.com/news/story.php?story_id=130030595079563300

or if that doesn't work, http://tinyurl.com/4f8au9w


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on March 17, 2011, 09:24:24 AM

Post on BOC - huge pedophile ring smashed - my gosh!


enumclawrose says:
March 16, 2011 at 5:41 pm
If I am reading this correctly and all of the crimes occurred online and there were 230 children involved/rescued, then someone tell me who helped the 7,8,9.. year olds? This doesn稚 seem to be a warehouse studio where all these children are being held against their wills and video壇? So is this a crime occurring in their own homes, at the hands of their caregivers?

Kimberly says:
March 16, 2011 at 10:53 am
Well, well, well, Heavily encrypted???? sounds familiar!

Police Say Huge Int値 Pedophile Ring Smashed   
http://www.kptv.com/news/27213267/detail.html




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: cw618 on March 18, 2011, 12:25:18 PM
TY puzzler im going to post it in the news of the day
thread i post the other day

Edit to add link per puzzler.  TY.  MB  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9612.msg1316210#msg1316210


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 18, 2011, 08:49:50 PM
You know, we have told everyone a million times WE NEED THE LINKS back to the article.  I'm half tempted to start deleting posts that don't include links back.

WE NEED LINKS.  DO NOT post part of an article or blog post or Facebook comment or ANYTHING without linking back to the source.


I'm going to post this reminder in all of the active threads.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: cw618 on March 19, 2011, 10:44:13 AM
TY puzzler im going to post it in the news of the day
thread i post the other day

adding link,sorry klaas,thought i had

link to post in the news of the day story
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9612.msg1316210#msg1316210


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on March 21, 2011, 12:10:00 PM
http://www.kgw.com/news/Kyron-Hormans-continues-to-raise-awareness-118338914.html

Kyron Horman's dad continues to raise awareness


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 21, 2011, 01:54:31 PM
http://www.katu.com/news/local/118374254.html
(http://media.katu.com/images/101114_kyron_horman.jpg)

'Kyron's Law' would require cameras at schools

By Adam Ghassemi KATU News March 21, 2011

PORTLAND, Ore. Nine and a half months after Kyron Horman disappeared from a Portland elementary school there痴 still no sign of where he is. But now his story might lead to safer schools in the future.
 
A new petition is circulating to pass a law that would require all public schools and school buses have security cameras. Cameras were installed at Kyron痴 school, Skyline Elementary, after a private citizen covered the costs.
 
Kyron痴 father, Kaine Horman, said the petition, known as 適yron痴 Law, is a good idea. He isn稚 formally connected with the effort, but hopes his son痴 disappearance leaves to legislation that protects kids.
 
的 think there are definitely some things around some of the attendance policies, along with cameras and other stuff that would make the schools a little bit safer, he said.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on March 21, 2011, 03:26:19 PM
So, I wanted to look at Mr. Houze, in relation to the Kyron investigation, and how he may effect the case. I
was curious as to why he is called a "heavy hitter attorney" and the reason  LE is so adament about
covering all bases. Why do prosecuters fear Mr. Houze? So, I went searching to see exactly why Mr.
Houze has this reputation, and what his patterns seem to be, defending a person charged with,or
suspected of a crime , whether it be a defacto POI or a publically announced POI. After reading, I can
surely understand why this case is taking so long to make an arrest.

If the DA has enough evidence to have TH arrested and charged, Mr. Houze is going to be one formidable
opponent.

http://www.shouze.com/display-cases.asp?artID=2
 (http://www.shouze.com/display-cases.asp?artID=2)
<snipped paragraphs>

Principles over profit

Those who know him well -- attorneys, prosecutors, judges and private investigators -- say he's a complex
man: highly principled, intelligent, and driven by a ferocious energy that intimidates his adversaries in the
courtroom.

""He believes in people,"" Jensen says. ""He had the ability to see the good in someone that I didn't see. .
. . It changed my opinion of defense attorneys."

The 'tenacious adversary'

"He's got one speed -- fast forward,"" says Jim Hennings, who hired the 26-year-old Houze straight out of
Vanderbilt University Law School in 1972 to work at the fledgling Metropolitan Public Defender's office.
"He doesn't burn out -- he's always refreshed and enthused."

Houze's first big case was defending an accused killer in a trial that rocked the Northwest because of the
brutality of the crime. A couple and the two young boys they were babysitting were bludgeoned to death
with a hammer in March 1974. Three of the victims were bloodily slain in their beds in a quiet southeast
Portland home. Colin Hockings, a 30-year-old Native American shipping clerk, was Houze's client.
The jury convicted Hockings and he was sentenced to four life terms in prison. "Houze was very, very good. A tenacious adversary."

Courtroom strategies

Stephen Houze, in charcoal pinstripes, adjusts the half-glasses on his nose and peers over them intently
at the young police officer he's been cross-examining. He's at a preliminary hearing held earlier this spring, and the uncomfortable witness on the stand is learning firsthand what it is like to face Houze in a courtroom. Houze's client, seated beside him in an orange-and-white jail uniform, has been accused of shooting his wife and trying to make it look like a robbery.

Houze wants to know about a sedan that was spotted on the road near the man's house that night.
"To your knowledge,"" Houze asks the officer pointedly, ""has anyone in law enforcement made any effort
to identify that vehicle, or whether it belonged to a residence in the area or to a stranger? The implication: Maybe it belonged to the real killer.

"I didn't,"" the officer says softly. Houze cups his hand to his ear as if he can't quite make out what the
officer is telling him. After a few minutes of this cat-and-mouse game, Houze glances at the clock,
switches gears. He wants to talk about how his client was treated in the early minutes of the police
investigation.

""When you took him out of the house, he had no gloves, no coat, no sweater -- what did you do to protect
him from the cold?"" Houze asks, indignantly. The implication: Police had already assumed he was the
culprit. Almost angry: ""Did anyone put pants on the man?"

Transforming disaster

"I think winning was everything he ever thought about," <snip> And what he lacked in size, he made up for
with determination. He was a scrapper, a fighter. . .. all go-go-go."

Defense lawyers, Houze decided, could turn someone's personal disaster into something noble, or at
least more hopeful.

Zealous, but no zealot

While some folks may have a hard time understanding how Houze -- or any lawyer -- could defend
someone accused of murder or paying to have sex with a child, prosecutors value what a great lawyer like
Houze brings to a case. With him, they know they've got a well-matched fight -- they don't have to pull any
punches. If they win with Houze on the other side, a conviction looks that much stronger. And without guys
like Houze, they say, the nation's adversarial system of justice couldn't exist.

Yet as skilled as Houze is in the courtroom, many of his victories play out quietly behind the scenes, where
he's known as a master negotiator and a genuinely nice guy. Not only does he know everyone who is
important to know, prosecutors are aware of Houze's unusual ability to see and capitalize on the strengths
and weaknesses in a case. That makes them especially motivated to make a deal to avoid going to trial
against him.

"He's dogged when it comes to researching things, and he zealously represents clients without being a
zealot.""

"Getting to the office is like jumping on a train moving 60 mph,"" says Chic Preston, Houze's longtime
investigator. He says he works for a man who wants to know the answers before he begins the
cross-examination. If the prosecution has a fingerprint expert, Houze has been known to bring in his own
from Scotland Yard to counter it -- as he sometimes says, ""You can't fight City Hall with a ham sandwich."

________________________________________________________________

http://www.portlandtribune.com/news/print_story.php?story_id=17983
 (http://www.portlandtribune.com/news/print_story.php?story_id=17983)
<snipped>

鉄teve finds statements and witnesses and versions of events that detectives don稚 always uncover, said
Regan, who worked for Gustafson during her protracted battle with Houze and the Oregon State Bar
before she was disbarred in March 2002. 滴e gets a whole other side of the story. You end up looking like
your investigation wasn稚 as thorough. I致e learned how to be a better prosecutor from watching him.

But, Regan said, preparation is not the sole secret of Houze痴 success.
滴e痴 very adept at PR, Regan said. 滴e never overhypes a defense or grandstands, but the minute he
steps in front of a microphone, he痴 very much aware that he痴 presenting a defense.

的 noticed this with (Hawash), Regan continued. 滴e痴 (Houze is) talking about how sketchy the
government痴 case is. I致e noticed over the years that he doesn稚 say much when his client wouldn稚 benefit
from publicity. I知 not saying he痴 manipulative. I知 saying he痴 intelligent: He understands the power of
persuasion.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on March 21, 2011, 03:29:42 PM
O/T Why does my preview post look different than the actual post. The format gets looney. Am I doing something wrong mods? I typically post in a txt document and then copy and paste.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 21, 2011, 04:59:26 PM
O/T Why does my preview post look different than the actual post. The format gets looney. Am I doing something wrong mods? I typically post in a txt document and then copy and paste.

I have no idea.  Does it look like you expect it to after it's posted?  Your posts look good to me.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on March 21, 2011, 05:11:07 PM
O/T Why does my preview post look different than the actual post. The format gets looney. Am I doing something wrong mods? I typically post in a txt document and then copy and paste.

I have no idea.  Does it look like you expect it to after it's posted?  Your posts look good to me.

No, the sentences break up in the paragraphs, but it doesn't look that way in the 'preview' box. I don't know. I'll deal with it. Sorry for the O/T Monkeys and Thanks Klaas.  ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on March 21, 2011, 11:17:14 PM
The next person I want to check is Chic Preston, Houze' PI, at least he was then. So far I know he is part owner of a restaurant, which is not doing so well. I don't think he is as good as he thinks he is, IMO. It's possible he has a new PI, but who knows.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on March 21, 2011, 11:19:02 PM
Grey, I see you up there lurking. Good to see you back.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Grey on March 21, 2011, 11:22:22 PM
O/T Why does my preview post look different than the actual post. The format gets looney. Am I doing something wrong mods? I typically post in a txt document and then copy and paste.

I have no idea.  Does it look like you expect it to after it's posted?  Your posts look good to me.

No, the sentences break up in the paragraphs, but it doesn't look that way in the 'preview' box. I don't know. I'll deal with it. Sorry for the O/T Monkeys and Thanks Klaas.  ::MonkeyCool::

If you are using Notepad on the PC, go to Format at the top. If Word Wrap has a check mark, click on Word Wrap to get rid of the line breaks. Paragraphs will go on and on to the right. To highlight what you wish to copy, drag your cursor down the left side of the page.

Copy and paste what you want in your post. There should be no odd line breaks in your post when it is published.

When you are finished, go back to Notepad and click on Word Wrap again to put it in effect. If you don't, it will be difficult to read sentences and paragraphs that are wider than your Notepad window in that file or any Notepad file.

If you are not using Notepad on the PC, good luck. I don't have a clue.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Grey on March 21, 2011, 11:24:12 PM
Grey, I see you up there lurking. Good to see you back.  ::MonkeyCool::

Hi, sassifrass. Stopped in to see if anything is happening. The only big news seems to be bad line breaks.
 ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on March 21, 2011, 11:30:57 PM
Grey, I see you up there lurking. Good to see you back.  ::MonkeyCool::

Hi, sassifrass. Stopped in to see if anything is happening. The only big news seems to be bad line breaks.
 ::MonkeyJnBox::

Haha! Cute! But not the most newsworthy enlightenment in this thread.   ::MonkeyWink:: Did you see the DY focus in Roseburg?

Hope to see you coming back. Always liked your spitfire thoughts.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 21, 2011, 11:31:39 PM
And although I participated, I need to remind everyone to stay on topic in the MP threads please


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on March 21, 2011, 11:34:44 PM
And although I participated, I need to remind everyone to stay on topic in the MP threads please

Sorry Klaas. I thought I included the DY in Roseburg topic. Sometimes I just don't know what is right and what isn't.

I'm slinking back to lurking.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Grey on March 21, 2011, 11:39:40 PM
Grey, I see you up there lurking. Good to see you back.  ::MonkeyCool::

Hi, sassifrass. Stopped in to see if anything is happening. The only big news seems to be bad line breaks.
 ::MonkeyJnBox::

Haha! Cute! But not the most newsworthy enlightenment in this thread.   ::MonkeyWink:: Did you see the DY focus in Roseburg?

Hope to see you coming back. Always liked your spitfire thoughts.

Yeah, Mama Bear Desiree keeps her target in sight. She did a good job of making someone uncomfortable. Great idea and very effective, but I hope no one takes it too far.

Don't know if I'll stay around. Last time I was here there was a campaign started to trash everything about Kaine. Just tired of the constant trashing of anybody whose name came up, especially that of a victim.

Hope you solve your line-break problem. If my solution doesn't work, maybe it is something similar.

Take care.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Grey on March 21, 2011, 11:42:12 PM
And although I participated, I need to remind everyone to stay on topic in the MP threads please
Sorry. Thought I had a solution to a problem.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on March 21, 2011, 11:48:01 PM
On second thought, and I'm saying this because I'm dog gone tired; when did SM get so policed about a few post' being off topic? As long as it contains something topic related, I thought it was O.K. I just don't get it.

If you want to ban me for this comment, then do so. I just want balance. I try to bring something fresh to the thread when no knew info is out there.

I just don't get it Klaas. There was movement in this thread, finally, and a few post' off topic, but I try to mix topic related info within the post also.

Sorry, feeling a bit flustered right now.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 22, 2011, 10:17:37 AM
Wow I slap my own hand for being off topic and you guys get upset.  It was a reminder to ME and everyone that we want to stay on topic.

We are trying to keep things on topic because there are some people that tend to be off topic all the time.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 22, 2011, 04:33:01 PM
Still praying for you to be found and brought home.  ::MonkeyAngel:: Where are you Kyron?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on March 22, 2011, 06:32:14 PM
So, I wanted to look at Mr. Houze, in relation to the Kyron investigation, and how he may effect the case. I
was curious as to why he is called a "heavy hitter attorney" and the reason  LE is so adament about
covering all bases. Why do prosecuters fear Mr. Houze? So, I went searching to see exactly why Mr.
Houze has this reputation, and what his patterns seem to be, defending a person charged with,or
suspected of a crime , whether it be a defacto POI or a publically announced POI. After reading, I can
surely understand why this case is taking so long to make an arrest.

If the DA has enough evidence to have TH arrested and charged, Mr. Houze is going to be one formidable
opponent.

http://www.shouze.com/display-cases.asp?artID=2
 (http://www.shouze.com/display-cases.asp?artID=2)
<snipped paragraphs>

Principles over profit

Those who know him well -- attorneys, prosecutors, judges and private investigators -- say he's a complex
man: highly principled, intelligent, and driven by a ferocious energy that intimidates his adversaries in the
courtroom.

""He believes in people,"" Jensen says. ""He had the ability to see the good in someone that I didn't see. .
. . It changed my opinion of defense attorneys."

The 'tenacious adversary'

"He's got one speed -- fast forward,"" says Jim Hennings, who hired the 26-year-old Houze straight out of
Vanderbilt University Law School in 1972 to work at the fledgling Metropolitan Public Defender's office.
"He doesn't burn out -- he's always refreshed and enthused."

Houze's first big case was defending an accused killer in a trial that rocked the Northwest because of the
brutality of the crime. A couple and the two young boys they were babysitting were bludgeoned to death
with a hammer in March 1974. Three of the victims were bloodily slain in their beds in a quiet southeast
Portland home. Colin Hockings, a 30-year-old Native American shipping clerk, was Houze's client.
The jury convicted Hockings and he was sentenced to four life terms in prison. "Houze was very, very good. A tenacious adversary."

Courtroom strategies

Stephen Houze, in charcoal pinstripes, adjusts the half-glasses on his nose and peers over them intently
at the young police officer he's been cross-examining. He's at a preliminary hearing held earlier this spring, and the uncomfortable witness on the stand is learning firsthand what it is like to face Houze in a courtroom. Houze's client, seated beside him in an orange-and-white jail uniform, has been accused of shooting his wife and trying to make it look like a robbery.

Houze wants to know about a sedan that was spotted on the road near the man's house that night.
"To your knowledge,"" Houze asks the officer pointedly, ""has anyone in law enforcement made any effort
to identify that vehicle, or whether it belonged to a residence in the area or to a stranger? The implication: Maybe it belonged to the real killer.

"I didn't,"" the officer says softly. Houze cups his hand to his ear as if he can't quite make out what the
officer is telling him. After a few minutes of this cat-and-mouse game, Houze glances at the clock,
switches gears. He wants to talk about how his client was treated in the early minutes of the police
investigation.

""When you took him out of the house, he had no gloves, no coat, no sweater -- what did you do to protect
him from the cold?"" Houze asks, indignantly. The implication: Police had already assumed he was the
culprit. Almost angry: ""Did anyone put pants on the man?"

Transforming disaster

"I think winning was everything he ever thought about," <snip> And what he lacked in size, he made up for
with determination. He was a scrapper, a fighter. . .. all go-go-go."

Defense lawyers, Houze decided, could turn someone's personal disaster into something noble, or at
least more hopeful.

Zealous, but no zealot

While some folks may have a hard time understanding how Houze -- or any lawyer -- could defend
someone accused of murder or paying to have sex with a child, prosecutors value what a great lawyer like
Houze brings to a case. With him, they know they've got a well-matched fight -- they don't have to pull any
punches. If they win with Houze on the other side, a conviction looks that much stronger. And without guys
like Houze, they say, the nation's adversarial system of justice couldn't exist.

Yet as skilled as Houze is in the courtroom, many of his victories play out quietly behind the scenes, where
he's known as a master negotiator and a genuinely nice guy. Not only does he know everyone who is
important to know, prosecutors are aware of Houze's unusual ability to see and capitalize on the strengths
and weaknesses in a case. That makes them especially motivated to make a deal to avoid going to trial
against him.

"He's dogged when it comes to researching things, and he zealously represents clients without being a
zealot.""

"Getting to the office is like jumping on a train moving 60 mph,"" says Chic Preston, Houze's longtime
investigator. He says he works for a man who wants to know the answers before he begins the
cross-examination. If the prosecution has a fingerprint expert, Houze has been known to bring in his own
from Scotland Yard to counter it -- as he sometimes says, ""You can't fight City Hall with a ham sandwich."

________________________________________________________________

http://www.portlandtribune.com/news/print_story.php?story_id=17983
 (http://www.portlandtribune.com/news/print_story.php?story_id=17983)
<snipped>

鉄teve finds statements and witnesses and versions of events that detectives don稚 always uncover, said
Regan, who worked for Gustafson during her protracted battle with Houze and the Oregon State Bar
before she was disbarred in March 2002. 滴e gets a whole other side of the story. You end up looking like
your investigation wasn稚 as thorough. I致e learned how to be a better prosecutor from watching him.

But, Regan said, preparation is not the sole secret of Houze痴 success.
滴e痴 very adept at PR, Regan said. 滴e never overhypes a defense or grandstands, but the minute he
steps in front of a microphone, he痴 very much aware that he痴 presenting a defense.

的 noticed this with (Hawash), Regan continued. 滴e痴 (Houze is) talking about how sketchy the
government痴 case is. I致e noticed over the years that he doesn稚 say much when his client wouldn稚 benefit
from publicity. I知 not saying he痴 manipulative. I知 saying he痴 intelligent: He understands the power of
persuasion.

Sassi - TY - great post!



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on March 22, 2011, 06:34:11 PM
The next person I want to check is Chic Preston, Houze' PI, at least he was then. So far I know he is part owner of a restaurant, which is not doing so well. I don't think he is as good as he thinks he is, IMO. It's possible he has a new PI, but who knows.

Looking forward to seeing your post on Chic Preston.  The previous post said that Chic Preston was a long-time investigator with Houze.  A much of a perfectionist as Mr. Houze is, Chick Preston must be very good at investigating to have held his job with Houze for a long time.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on March 22, 2011, 06:51:15 PM
Kyron Horman's parents still trying to keep his case in the public eye

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/03/kyron_hormans_parents_still_tr.html




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on March 22, 2011, 06:52:35 PM
(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRrYTpeixtYKNv8L6zviLtc10ecivi6Js8dbbzOR6P_4P-Y0zQhBA)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: can on March 22, 2011, 08:01:13 PM
Still praying for you to be found and brought home.  ::MonkeyAngel:: Where are you Kyron?

Amen Tracy, Amen!!!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on March 23, 2011, 01:50:20 AM
 ::HelloKitty::

I probably would want Houze as my lawyer if I was a criminal, but is it about justice or strategy?

That's what bothers me.  People get off because they have money and some canny lawyer who plays the angles.

Is this really justice?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: melisb on March 23, 2011, 09:18:50 AM
Hello Kitty-I think it's both justice and strategy.  If you are someone not guilty being prosecuted you would want the very best defense you could possibly get and after read Sassi's post #470 I see he must be one of the few defense atty's held in high regard.  Now, if you are guilty you would want the very best possible to find and hunt every minute detail that could possibly be attacked, disregarded, contradicted, put to bed, appealed, sway the jury or find that one little loophole to free you.  He just happens to be the man to do it, IMO.  He believes everyone deserves a fair trial and not guilty until proven innocent.  Let's hope that secretly if he knows beyond all doubt TH is guilty he will secretly  let this woman to be convicted without it looking like he threw in the towel.  I often wondered if def atty's did just that when they had a person who they new was guilty or had been confessed to.  Hard position to be in.  I would purposefully loose every trial in that case.  Guess that is why I could never be a lawyer.  Wouldn't want to sit on a jury either cause I'm ofter too biased.  I'm in favor of the victim and I'm afraid I would let myself sit on the jury of someone like TH and help her be convicted.  OOOOHHH!  Did I say that out loud!  Yep, I did cause I want to know where little Kyron is.  I'm not saying TH is guilty either, just using her as an example!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on March 23, 2011, 10:11:42 AM
The next person I want to check is Chic Preston, Houze' PI, at least he was then. So far I know he is part owner of a restaurant, which is not doing so well. I don't think he is as good as he thinks he is, IMO. It's possible he has a new PI, but who knows.

Looking forward to seeing your post on Chic Preston.  The previous post said that Chic Preston was a long-time investigator with Houze.  A much of a perfectionist as Mr. Houze is, Chick Preston must be very good at investigating to have held his job with Houze for a long time.

I'm working on it Puzzler and I agree. If Houze has confidence in him, he must be good.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on March 23, 2011, 10:25:03 AM
::HelloKitty::

I probably would want Houze as my lawyer if I was a criminal, but is it about justice or strategy?

That's what bothers me.  People get off because they have money and some canny lawyer who plays the angles.

Is this really justice?

HK, I think it's both. The intent is to bring justice for the victim if the DA can produce enough evidence to bring in a conviction. The strategy is the defense attorney blowing holes in the evidence, leaving reasonable doubt.

As the world saw what happened in the OJ case, even though there was an overwhelming amount of evidence, the defense attorneys created enough reasonable doubt and a plea of not guilty, was the result. This strategy, which happens often, is injustice in itself, IMO. So, even though the intent is bringing justice for the victim, the trial becomes a chess game of who can call "checkmate". Is it right? No, but it's reality.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on March 23, 2011, 03:06:55 PM
 ::HelloKitty:: ::HelloKitty::

the checkmate may be the reality, but I prefer justice.  If I was the victim or anyone I know was a victim, I would want justice. That's putting it personally.  But I actually want justice for everyone. 

Too bad it's turned into a travesty of justice in America.  Maybe everywhere, for all I know.  Having money has always been an advantage here, though, if one is a criminal.  Does an attorney who gets a criminal off feel good when s/he is driving that Mercedes or BMW or whatever they drive and vacationing in Mustique?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: bebecat on March 23, 2011, 08:35:44 PM
When these defense attorneys actually have to go to court, they often lose, that is one hopeful thing. Even Houze lost many cases or had to plead them out. I have not been able to find too many murder cases he has won. I hope LE would be as careful no matter who the lawyer on the other side is, I am kind of tired of hearing about how they are preparing to fight this great lawyer (not meant toward anyone specific, just all over the place.)

If TH is charged, his best bet is not pleading out (not that I think TH ever would anyway), if Kyron is not found, in my opinion. There is always doubt in cases without finding the victim. But for him to represent her without her saying a word, or any attorney to do that, when it involves a child, is sickening, regardless of what the law says. I hate that people can refuse to cooperate in any kind of a missing persons case. It just shouldn't be.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on March 24, 2011, 01:13:42 PM
::HelloKitty:: ::HelloKitty::

the checkmate may be the reality, but I prefer justice.  If I was the victim or anyone I know was a victim, I would want justice. That's putting it personally.  But I actually want justice for everyone. 

Too bad it's turned into a travesty of justice in America.  Maybe everywhere, for all I know.  Having money has always been an advantage here, though, if one is a criminal.  Does an attorney who gets a criminal off feel good when s/he is driving that Mercedes or BMW or whatever they drive and vacationing in Mustique?

HK: I understand what you're saying, and agree. We all want the victims and their families to get justice. I'd like to believe that the REAL justice comes when the offender meets their maker. THAT, is true justice in my heart. Kyron, along with every other victim, will get justice in the end.

As far as the criminal attorneys, defending the offenders, I would like to think that many of them think their clients are innocent, but there are other attorneys, that know in their gut, that their client is guilty, and proceed on defending them. The latter attorneys, IMO, seem to have different agendas when it comes to their career path. It's about money and status.

I think there is a problem with a lot of the laws, wrt criminal prosecution. Many of the laws and practices based on referenced criminal cases that become standard, are so archaic and need to be changed, ie: throwing out evidence because of technicalities, insanity pleas, etc. The bottom line is that the crimes are getting more brutal and occurring more often, but the laws aren't changing.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on March 25, 2011, 09:25:51 AM
A good reference article relating to child abductions. I snipped part of the article to show Kyrons age group also. A bit long, but worth the read.

<snipped paragraphs>

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Investigating+Potential+Child+Abduction+Cases.-a075959748 (http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Investigating+Potential+Child+Abduction+Cases.-a075959748)

Investigating Potential Child Abduction Cases

MOTIVATING FACTORS

Why are children abducted? Interpretation of offender motivations and behaviors often is complicated, [5] particularly in abduction cases where children simply seem to vanish. In such cases, the ensuing investigation involves searching for both the victim and an offender who may be a parent, relative, friend, acquaintance, or total stranger. This differs from other scenarios, such as parental abductions, where the identity of the offender and sometimes the location of the abducted child are known, and the offender's motivation is more obvious. [6] Even in the most clear-cut cases, however, law enforcement may have difficulty determining exactly why the offender abducted the victim. The apprehension of the offender and a reliable confession may not even provide law enforcement with the true underlying motive. However, an accurate understanding of the behaviors and intentions of offenders who abduct   children and how these crime characteristics change as potential victims get older can provide investigators with important insights early in a developing case and allow them to use their resources more effectively.

Research and investigative experience have shown that family abductions, motivated by domestic discord and custody disputes, overwhelmingly represent the most frequent type of child abduction. Short-term, nonfamily incidents where abductors release or return children, often before anyone knows they are missing, constitute another type of child abduction. <snip> Long-term, nonfamily abductions are the least common and those that result in child homicide happen rarely. These cases frequently come to the attention of police as missing child reports and rarely result in quick resolution. Motivations for long-term, nonfamily abductions include: sexual gratification; retribution (e.g., revenge or "collecting" on an unpaid debt); financial gain (e.g., ransom or extortion extortion, in law, unlawful demanding or receiving by an officer, in his official capacity, of any property or money not legally due to him. Examples include requesting and accepting fees in excess of those allowed to him by statute or arresting a person and, with ); desire to kill (this, alone, is reported to motivate and gratify some offenders); and, maternal desire (where an offender desires to possess a child and abducts primarily newborns and infants).

Elementary and Middle School Children (6 to 14 years)

Strangers are responsible for about one-half of elementary school abductions, and acquaintances, such as neighbors, family friends, and adult associates are responsible for the rest. For middle school children, however, strangers are the most frequent offenders. The offenders in these cases often have a history of previous sexual misconduct, impulsive behaviors, violence, substance abuse, and psychiatric treatment. They usually display poor social skills and work habits, and frequently are deemed "socially incompetent." [18] Their inability to interact effectively with others may cause them to obtain victims by abduction. These individuals often reside, work in, or frequent the area where they commit their crimes, which gives them a legitimate explanation for their presence.

Most abductions of elementary school children occur in or around the victim's home, with the vast majority of the victims abducted within 1 mile of their residence. As they age, however, school-age children frequently are abducted from more distant locations such as playgrounds, shopping malls, and other areas of recreation. Disposal sites of the remains also become more distant as victim age increases. In cases where offenders kill the victims, the remains of younger school-age children generally are recovered within 1 mile of the abduction site, although some offenders dispose of their victims over 10 miles away (one-half of these victims are found more than 30 miles away). A larger number of older school-age children are recovered from distant sites. As found in other age groups, these offenders often are familiar with the disposal sites they select and typically make little attempt to hide the victim's remains. These offenders leave most remains unconcealed or superficially cover them with available mate rials--few bury their victims or conceal them in packaging materials.

Compared to the abduction of younger children, emotion-based offenses are much less common in school-age children. As found in emotion-based cases involving younger children, the sex of the victim does not appear to be a critical risk factor. Primarily, offenders are male and familiar with their victims. Victimization occurs typically in the victim's home or front yard. Similar to cases with preschoolers, profit-based offenses are extremely rare among school-age children.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on March 25, 2011, 01:16:12 PM
This was posted on BOC:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/#comments (http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/#comments)

neighbor says:
March 24, 2011 at 6:21 pm

@zeus said 的s there any chance that Kyron was taken through the woods(walked, carried, or in a container) to the road near Jim Kelley痴 house-which is where the white truck sightings occurred at 3 pm-June 4th and 2 am June 5th? I wonder if the person who pulled up to JK痴 road at 3 pm was attempting to meet with the abductor to receive Kyron.

Don稚 know about that, but I do know that there was a K9 hit at the rail road tracks there. I also do know that the woods there were swarmed with LE during the last week that school was in session. Too many (emergency) exit doors near the woods that are open throughout the day.

___________________________________________

BBM

neighbor: I would like to know where that info came from please, because I didn't see it in the MSM that Kyrons scent was picked up at the RR tracks, near Jim Kelleys. Thanks for your Monkey help!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on March 25, 2011, 02:28:52 PM
This was posted on BOC:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/#comments (http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/#comments)

neighbor says:
March 24, 2011 at 6:21 pm

@zeus said 的s there any chance that Kyron was taken through the woods(walked, carried, or in a container) to the road near Jim Kelley痴 house-which is where the white truck sightings occurred at 3 pm-June 4th and 2 am June 5th? I wonder if the person who pulled up to JK痴 road at 3 pm was attempting to meet with the abductor to receive Kyron.

Don稚 know about that, but I do know that there was a K9 hit at the rail road tracks there. I also do know that the woods there were swarmed with LE during the last week that school was in session. Too many (emergency) exit doors near the woods that are open throughout the day.

___________________________________________

BBM

neighbor: I would like to know where that info came from please, because I didn't see it in the MSM that Kyrons scent was picked up at the RR tracks, near Jim Kelleys. Thanks for your Monkey help!

Sassi - TY

I'd like to know where the infomation came from, too.  I don't recall ever hearing that Kyron's scent was picked.  That would have been huge news IMO. 



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on March 25, 2011, 06:28:38 PM
This was posted on BOC:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/#comments (http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/#comments)

neighbor says:
March 24, 2011 at 6:21 pm

@zeus said 的s there any chance that Kyron was taken through the woods(walked, carried, or in a container) to the road near Jim Kelley痴 house-which is where the white truck sightings occurred at 3 pm-June 4th and 2 am June 5th? I wonder if the person who pulled up to JK痴 road at 3 pm was attempting to meet with the abductor to receive Kyron.

Don稚 know about that, but I do know that there was a K9 hit at the rail road tracks there. I also do know that the woods there were swarmed with LE during the last week that school was in session. Too many (emergency) exit doors near the woods that are open throughout the day.

___________________________________________

BBM

neighbor: I would like to know where that info came from please, because I didn't see it in the MSM that Kyrons scent was picked up at the RR tracks, near Jim Kelleys. Thanks for your Monkey help!

Sassi - TY

I'd like to know where the infomation came from, too.  I don't recall ever hearing that Kyron's scent was picked.  That would have been huge news IMO. 



Puzzler: I agree. It would be huge and the thoughts that are going through my mind sicken me. That sighting at JK's place has stuck with a lot of Monkeys, and if what neighbor is saying is true and accurate, then I can absolutely, see a scenario being played out.

I'm going to wait for neighbor to clarify before I make any further comments on it. I don't want to make any assumptions. I 'll leave a message for her on BOC to ask her to respond.

On another note, neighbor also stated on BOC that she personally had witnessed a white truck backed up; pointing towards skyline blvd; up on the access road at 8:31am, the day Kyron went missing. She did NOT state it was TH's truck. Just that it was a white truck.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 25, 2011, 08:29:02 PM
Did everyone see this? I found it on Blinks, thought I would pass it along. it is an interview Gale King did with Desiree.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-QwZkm_Ol8&amp


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: melisb on March 25, 2011, 11:01:35 PM
Thanks Tracy, just logging on and checking on all my little loved ones.  Glad to see that interview posted.  I believe I heard in her voice some kind of resolve maybe that she thinks Kyron is deceased and not out there being abused and passed around and other sick things.  As a Mother, of course I would want my child to come home alive but when all signs are pointing in a different direction it would calm me to know my child wasn't being tortured and crying for me.  Sounds bad either way I type it but you MamaMonkey's know exactly what I mean.  I am still haunted by what I believe happened to Caylee while Casey was snuffing her life out.  I think she looked in her childs eyes while she was fighting, begging, dying, etc., just sickening.  The prosecutor who said this very thing blew me out my chair the day he said it in court and brought Casey to her first real emotional break.  He told her exactly what she did, how Caylee reacted and if anyone ever thought she was innocent then that right there should prove them wrong!!!  Sorry to get on that subject in Kyrons house but I have to wonder did Kyron do the same? I hope he was knocked out for whatever happened.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 26, 2011, 02:33:32 PM
Melisb I understand what you are saying. I am sure by now she just wants him back to her, either way, she just wants to be able to care for him, even if that is taking care of his grave.
There is a cemetary I pass on my way to work and just about everyday I see a woman tending to a grave. A few weeks ago she was sitting in a lawn chair in front the grave which she decorated with birthday balloons, streamers, flowers...She was having a birthday party for who was buried there. A few days later I decided to stop to look who was buried there because I had to know who this poor woman was tending to. Turns out it was a young man and after doing a search I realized it was a young man who was murdered a few years back, it was her son. The local newspaper did a story on her, she goes there everyday to tend to her sons grave, she says it gives her a way to still be near to him. Isn't that the saddest thing? I think I cried for a few hours after that but it does give me an understanding of just how important it is to find these kids and bring them home. I always knew it was important but I don't think I understood what it can mean to them.
As for Casey Anthony, some people are just evil I think. How a mother can look into their child's eyes and take the life from the child is something I cannot comprehend or even pretend too understand. My worse possible nightmare is having my child die, I  would want to lay down and die with them.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on March 26, 2011, 06:26:46 PM
http://www.mailtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=%2F20110326%2FNEWS%2F103260303

Article - Desiree


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: monchichi on March 26, 2011, 10:05:44 PM

http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/local/story/Another-weekend-search-for-Kyron-Horman/wbTn_z6-hEKTm0S7H0I83Q.cspx

----------------------------- ::snipping2::--------------------------------- ::snipping2::------------------------------------- ::snipping2::---------------------------------------------------- ::snipping2::-------
The searchers were aided by two dogs. Deputy Keith Bybee says Saturday's relatively good weather was a main factor behind the search and the turnout for it; a couple of other recent efforts were cancelled due to snow and rain.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: monchichi on March 26, 2011, 10:11:33 PM

http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/local/story/Another-weekend-search-for-Kyron-Horman/wbTn_z6-hEKTm0S7H0I83Q.cspx

----------------------------- ::snipping2::--------------------------------- ::snipping2::------------------------------------- ::snipping2::---------------------------------------------------- ::snipping2::-------
The searchers were aided by two dogs. Deputy Keith Bybee says Saturday's relatively good weather was a main factor behind the search and the turnout for it; a couple of other recent efforts were cancelled due to snow and rain.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Another snippet from an article about today's search:

http://www.kptv.com/news/27333968/detail.html

---------------------------------------------------snipped from above--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Crews searched the same spot in late January, focusing on 11 key areas.

The Sheriff痴 Office has said the location was picked due to specific information gained through the investigation, but a spokesman couldn稚 elaborate on details.

The Search and Rescue Coordinator on scene Saturday also couldn稚 elaborate on what if anything was found on Saturday but said teams will continue their search efforts until Kyron Horman is found.

----------------------end snip-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on March 26, 2011, 10:30:46 PM
http://twitter.com/NatalieBrand

Search continues


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on March 26, 2011, 10:31:23 PM
http://plixi.com/p/87167986

picture


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on March 27, 2011, 01:16:33 AM

http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/local/story/Another-weekend-search-for-Kyron-Horman/wbTn_z6-hEKTm0S7H0I83Q.cspx

----------------------------- ::snipping2::--------------------------------- ::snipping2::------------------------------------- ::snipping2::---------------------------------------------------- ::snipping2::-------
The searchers were aided by two dogs. Deputy Keith Bybee says Saturday's relatively good weather was a main factor behind the search and the turnout for it; a couple of other recent efforts were cancelled due to snow and rain.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Another snippet from an article about today's search:

http://www.kptv.com/news/27333968/detail.html

---------------------------------------------------snipped from above--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Crews searched the same spot in late January, focusing on 11 key areas.

The Sheriff痴 Office has said the location was picked due to specific information gained through the investigation, but a spokesman couldn稚 elaborate on details.

The Search and Rescue Coordinator on scene Saturday also couldn稚 elaborate on what if anything was found on Saturday but said teams will continue their search efforts until Kyron Horman is found.

----------------------end snip-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


The search today for Kyron was at Skyline near Moreland.

Reminded me of the man who was found dead and dumped between Johnson and Moreland - Javier Trejo-Richarte

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/03/multnomah_county_sheriffs_offi_5.html



 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: gmaw on March 27, 2011, 12:25:04 PM
Someone is obviously talking !


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Brandi on March 27, 2011, 01:06:26 PM
Search For Kyron Horman Returns To Skyline Blvd. Area
75 Volunteers Spent Saturday Searching Along Skyline Blvd.

POSTED: 6:26 pm PDT March 26, 2011
UPDATED: 8:48 pm PDT March 26, 2011
http://www.kptv.com/news/27333968/detail.html

<snipped>

Seventy-five volunteers, along with two search dogs, spent Saturday covering ground along Skyline Blvd. near Moreland Road, according to the Multnomah County Sheriff痴 Office. Crews searched the same spot in late January, focusing on 11 key areas.

The Sheriff痴 Office has said the location was picked due to specific information gained through the investigation, but a spokesman couldn稚 elaborate on details.

<snipped>


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on March 27, 2011, 02:22:35 PM
This was posted on BOC:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/#comments (http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/#comments)

neighbor says:
March 24, 2011 at 6:21 pm

@zeus said 的s there any chance that Kyron was taken through the woods(walked, carried, or in a container) to the road near Jim Kelley痴 house-which is where the white truck sightings occurred at 3 pm-June 4th and 2 am June 5th? I wonder if the person who pulled up to JK痴 road at 3 pm was attempting to meet with the abductor to receive Kyron.

Don稚 know about that, but I do know that there was a K9 hit at the rail road tracks there. I also do know that the woods there were swarmed with LE during the last week that school was in session. Too many (emergency) exit doors near the woods that are open throughout the day.

___________________________________________

BBM

neighbor: I would like to know where that info came from please, because I didn't see it in the MSM that Kyrons scent was picked up at the RR tracks, near Jim Kelleys. Thanks for your Monkey help!

Sassi - TY

I'd like to know where the infomation came from, too.  I don't recall ever hearing that Kyron's scent was picked.  That would have been huge news IMO. 



Puzzler: I agree. It would be huge and the thoughts that are going through my mind sicken me. That sighting at JK's place has stuck with a lot of Monkeys, and if what neighbor is saying is true and accurate, then I can absolutely, see a scenario being played out.

I'm going to wait for neighbor to clarify before I make any further comments on it. I don't want to make any assumptions. I 'll leave a message for her on BOC to ask her to respond.

On another note, neighbor also stated on BOC that she personally had witnessed a white truck backed up; pointing towards skyline blvd; up on the access road at 8:31am, the day Kyron went missing. She did NOT state it was TH's truck. Just that it was a white truck.

Well, I saw a response from neighbor on BOC. Not quite sure what to make of it though. How would this person know that the K9 got a hit, unless they heard them say it.

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-68/#comments (http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-68/#comments)

neighbor says:
March 26, 2011 at 6:10 pm

@Moe 添ou said (snip) K9 hit at the railroad tracks . Whoa, wait! Kyron痴 scent was picked up at the RR tracks by Jim Kelley痴 house? Is that a rumor or confirmed fact? First time I have heard this.

One of the people living on that street told me this very early on in the investigation.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: grace-land on March 27, 2011, 04:02:38 PM
Edit to add link.  MB http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2011/03/teams_back_in_north_plains_area_for_second_day_in_search_for_kyron_horman.html
Teams back in North Plains area for second day in search for Kyron Horman
Published: Sunday, March 27, 2011, 12:38 PM  
Updated: Sunday, March 27, 2011, 12:40 PM
By Molly Hottle, The Oregonian The Oregonian


Multnomah County Sheriff's officials confirmed that search and rescue teams have returned to an area they were near on Saturday in the search for Kyron Horman.

Sheriff's spokesman Lt. Mark Matsushima said search personnel is covering an area near Northwest Dixie Mountain Road, north of where they searched Saturday about four miles north of North Plains.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: grace-land on March 27, 2011, 04:06:50 PM
ooops, forgot the link to the article above.  Here it is:

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2011/03/teams_back_in_north_plains_area_for_second_day_in_search_for_kyron_horman.html



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 27, 2011, 04:27:40 PM
I am hoping and praying they find Kyron this weekend, it is time he was brought home.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: grace-land on March 27, 2011, 04:37:27 PM
I am hoping and praying they find Kyron this weekend, it is time he was brought home.

I hope so, too, Tracygirl.  The le seems to be determined in finding Kyron.

How can a mother kill her child?  I know someone who is arrested for first degree murder of her infant.  She has a mean streak in her. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: grace-land on March 27, 2011, 04:47:30 PM
Thank you, Muffybee


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 27, 2011, 04:48:09 PM
(http://www.kptv.com/2010/0613/23886962_240X180.jpg)

http://www.kptv.com/news/27333968/detail.html

Crews Searching Again In Kyron Horman Case
75 Volunteers Spent Saturday Searching Along Skyline Blvd.


POSTED: 6:26 pm PDT March 26, 2011
UPDATED: 12:11 pm PDT March 27, 2011

PORTLAND, Ore. -- Volunteer search and rescue teams returned to the hills northwest of Portland as part of the ongoing search for Kyron Horman.

Seventy-five volunteers, along with two search dogs, spent Saturday covering ground along Skyline Blvd. near Moreland Road, according to the Multnomah County Sheriff痴 Office. Crews searched the same spot in late January, focusing on 11 key areas.

Despite wet conditions, search teams were back out again Sunday morning.

The Sheriff痴 Office has said the location was picked due to specific information gained through the investigation, but a spokesman couldn稚 elaborate on details.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 27, 2011, 04:51:43 PM
I am hoping and praying they find Kyron this weekend, it is time he was brought home.

I hope so, too, Tracygirl.  The le seems to be determined in finding Kyron.

How can a mother kill her child?  I know someone who is arrested for first degree murder of her infant.  She has a mean streak in her. 

Yes they do, thankfully. I do believe though they need to find him to secure a conviction.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 27, 2011, 04:52:00 PM
http://www.kgw.com/news/75-volunteers-search-for-Kyron-Horman--118737134.html

Video regarding this weekends search:



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 27, 2011, 04:55:17 PM
I looked at the map and it seems there are farms/houses up that way. I wonder if someone reported seeing something? I wish we could know how they figured on these 11 spots they are searching.
On blinks site someone posted this is near to where one of the bodies found earlier in the month was found.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 27, 2011, 05:15:37 PM
I wonder if they choose these 11 spots because they are certain roads that lead off of skyeline. 11 spots to me say it is not an exact search but a general area search. Perhaps they know Terri(/or whoever), took skyline road north and these searches are based on road off of skyeline. Not sure if I explained that right or not.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on March 27, 2011, 05:28:57 PM
IIRC, back at the end of January, LE said they had eleven sites they wanted to check out in the Dixie Mountain area - and they completed only 7 or 8 of them at that time.

I'm wondering if the searches this weekend are a continuation of what was begun in January - in a effort to "rule out" all eleven sites.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on March 27, 2011, 05:30:23 PM
I wonder if they choose these 11 spots because they are certain roads that lead off of skyeline. 11 spots to me say it is not an exact search but a general area search. Perhaps they know Terri(/or whoever), took skyline road north and these searches are based on road off of skyeline. Not sure if I explained that right or not.

I seem to recall something about the eleven spots being where there were "gates" (that closed off logging trails).  Anyone else recall that?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: grace-land on March 27, 2011, 05:31:47 PM
I wonder if they choose these 11 spots because they are certain roads that lead off of skyeline. 11 spots to me say it is not an exact search but a general area search. Perhaps they know Terri(/or whoever), took skyline road north and these searches are based on road off of skyeline. Not sure if I explained that right or not.

BBM

They seem to have specific information for that area, but they are not giving out details. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on March 27, 2011, 05:33:42 PM
I wonder if they choose these 11 spots because they are certain roads that lead off of skyeline. 11 spots to me say it is not an exact search but a general area search. Perhaps they know Terri(/or whoever), took skyline road north and these searches are based on road off of skyeline. Not sure if I explained that right or not.

Also wondering if this is part of the large area that falls within the "ping area" of the Sauvie Island cell tower; afterall, they've already done a lot of searches on Sauvie Island itself.  Would Dixie Mountain be another large section of where that SI Tower pings?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 27, 2011, 05:41:11 PM
Search For Kyron Horman Returns To Skyline Blvd. Area
75 Volunteers Spent Saturday Searching Along Skyline Blvd.

POSTED: 6:26 pm PDT March 26, 2011
UPDATED: 8:48 pm PDT March 26, 2011
http://www.kptv.com/news/27333968/detail.html

<snipped>

Seventy-five volunteers, along with two search dogs, spent Saturday covering ground along Skyline Blvd. near Moreland Road, according to the Multnomah County Sheriff痴 Office. Crews searched the same spot in late January, focusing on 11 key areas.

The Sheriff痴 Office has said the location was picked due to specific information gained through the investigation, but a spokesman couldn稚 elaborate on details.

<snipped>

Is this location anyway near where Jim Kelley resides?

I am a believer in the credibility of the sighting by Jim Kelley and his neighbour.

Jim Kelley does not identify or describe the "female" driver.

Considering Kaine places Terri at home at 3:00 PM on the afternoon of June 4th ... I speculate that the driver may have been DeDe.

Janet

++++++

Two Witnesses - Same Sighting

Day 3: FBI calls in criminal profiler in search for missing Skyline boy; interviews with students and parents begin
Published: Sunday, June 06, 2010, 2:14 PM
Updated: Friday, June 18, 2010, 5:01 PM


<snipped>

1:29 p.m. -- Neighbors stop by Brooks Hill Historic church, across the street from the school, to mull over the investigation. "This kind of thing is unheard of," says Jim Kelley, 50.

Kelley, who lives about a mile and a half down hill, at the end of a winding, secluded country lane off Cornelius Pass, said police, federal agents, K-9 teams and helicopters scoured the area Saturday.

"We had two odd sightings of a vehicle on our road Friday," Kelley said. Around 3 p.m, he and a neighbor reported seeing a white pick-up truck with a female driver pull to the end of the long road, idle and then turn around. Then again at 2 a.m. Saturday morning, a similar white pickup truck appeared, idled and when a neighbor loosed her dogs, eased away.

"A, it was strange to have a car there, any car there, that we didn't know, and B, it was strange to have a vehicle come down our dead-end road twice in the same day, hours after a little boy goes missing," said Kelley. "That's beyond rare."

Kelley said authorities have twice searched the deep ravine, creek and railroad tracks located near the end of his street by air and on foot.

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/day_three_search_continues_hun




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: grace-land on March 27, 2011, 05:41:35 PM
I wonder if they choose these 11 spots because they are certain roads that lead off of skyeline. 11 spots to me say it is not an exact search but a general area search. Perhaps they know Terri(/or whoever), took skyline road north and these searches are based on road off of skyeline. Not sure if I explained that right or not.

I seem to recall something about the eleven spots being where there were "gates" (that closed off logging trails).  Anyone else recall that?

Puzzler, the information in the link below about the January search might be helpful.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/01/search_for_kyron_horman_resume.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 27, 2011, 05:50:35 PM
Search For Kyron Horman Returns To Skyline Blvd. Area
75 Volunteers Spent Saturday Searching Along Skyline Blvd.

POSTED: 6:26 pm PDT March 26, 2011
UPDATED: 8:48 pm PDT March 26, 2011
http://www.kptv.com/news/27333968/detail.html

<snipped>

Seventy-five volunteers, along with two search dogs, spent Saturday covering ground along Skyline Blvd. near Moreland Road, according to the Multnomah County Sheriff痴 Office. Crews searched the same spot in late January, focusing on 11 key areas.

The Sheriff痴 Office has said the location was picked due to specific information gained through the investigation, but a spokesman couldn稚 elaborate on details.

<snipped>

Is this location anywhere near where Jim Kelley resides?

I am a believer in the credibility of the sighting by Jim Kelley and his neighbour.

Jim Kelley does not identify or describe the "female" driver.

Considering Kaine places Terri at home at 3:00 PM on the afternoon of June 4th ... I speculate that the driver may have been DeDe.

Janet

++++++

Two Witnesses - Same Sighting

Day 3: FBI calls in criminal profiler in search for missing Skyline boy; interviews with students and parents begin
Published: Sunday, June 06, 2010, 2:14 PM
Updated: Friday, June 18, 2010, 5:01 PM


<snipped>

1:29 p.m. -- Neighbors stop by Brooks Hill Historic church, across the street from the school, to mull over the investigation. "This kind of thing is unheard of," says Jim Kelley, 50.

Kelley, who lives about a mile and a half down hill, at the end of a winding, secluded country lane off Cornelius Pass, said police, federal agents, K-9 teams and helicopters scoured the area Saturday.

"We had two odd sightings of a vehicle on our road Friday," Kelley said. Around 3 p.m, he and a neighbor reported seeing a white pick-up truck with a female driver pull to the end of the long road, idle and then turn around. Then again at 2 a.m. Saturday morning, a similar white pickup truck appeared, idled and when a neighbor loosed her dogs, eased away.

"A, it was strange to have a car there, any car there, that we didn't know, and B, it was strange to have a vehicle come down our dead-end road twice in the same day, hours after a little boy goes missing," said Kelley. "That's beyond rare."

Kelley said authorities have twice searched the deep ravine, creek and railroad tracks located near the end of his street by air and on foot.

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/day_three_search_continues_hun




Klaasend
Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #6 7/13/10 -
ォ Reply #80 on: July 14, 2010, 03:11:48 AM


I'm a little freaked out about Kim Holm's address in relation to Jim Kelley's place and the sighting of the white truck.  Isn't anyone else freaking?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8267.80


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 27, 2011, 05:52:36 PM
Kim Holm

Court doc: Kaine accuses Terri of sexual affair
Story Published: Jul 12, 2010 at 2:53 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 13, 2010 at 12:24 AM PDT


Meanwhile, Kim Holm, who is good friends with Terri said Monday, 的 really think they were a good family before this.

She said they volunteered together at Skyline School where her son, Curtis, is good friends with Kyron, and when Terri asked Curtis to go bowling with the family just days before Kyron disappeared, a normally protective Holm let her son go.

的 don稚 let my kids go with anybody, and I let him go bowling with them the Sunday before he disappeared, because I just trusted them, she said. 的 didn稚 think anything bad about them.

She described Terri as a good mother who snapped a photo of the boys at their science project the morning Kyron vanished.

的 asked Curtis about Kyron痴 last day at school and he told me he was happy, he was interacting with her, and they were really excited about the science fair project, Holm said.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/98272674.html


Kurtis Holm

Sources: Terri Horman vague on Kyron痴 doctor appointment date
Story Published: Jul 21, 2010 at 7:11 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 21, 2010 at 8:38 PM PDT


Kim Holm痴 son, Kurtis, who Terri Horman photographed with his science project around the time she took a picture of Kyron that morning, said her son knew about the appointment too.

鄭nd the teacher said, 選 thought he left with his mom, because they thought they had a doctor appointment, Holm said. 鄭nd then at lunchtime, Kurtis ate lunch with him every day, he wasn稚 there at lunchtime.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/98981009.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: grace-land on March 27, 2011, 07:50:17 PM
http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-national/kyron-horman-update-2nd-day-of-searches-for-missing-oregon-boy-nw-portland

Kyron Horman update: 2nd day of searches for missing Oregon boy in NW Portland
March 27th, 2011 6:44 pm ET .
Cindy Adams Crime Examiner

Portland, Ore. - The second day of searches continued in the Northwest Portland area on Sunday for missing Oregon boy Kyron Horman.

The search covered an area near Northwest Dixie Mountain Road, just north of where a search was conducted on Saturday, according to Multnomah County Sheriff痴 spokesperson Lt. mark Matsushima.

On Saturday, 75 volunteers with two dogs scoured the Skyline Blvd. area near Moreland Road, the same area that was searched in January.

Investigators would not reveal whether anything was discovered during either Saturday or Sunday's search.

 ::snipping2::





Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 27, 2011, 08:46:17 PM
Kim Holm

Court doc: Kaine accuses Terri of sexual affair
Story Published: Jul 12, 2010 at 2:53 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 13, 2010 at 12:24 AM PDT


Meanwhile, Kim Holm, who is good friends with Terri said Monday, 的 really think they were a good family before this.

She said they volunteered together at Skyline School where her son, Curtis, is good friends with Kyron, and when Terri asked Curtis to go bowling with the family just days before Kyron disappeared, a normally protective Holm let her son go.

的 don稚 let my kids go with anybody, and I let him go bowling with them the Sunday before he disappeared, because I just trusted them, she said. 的 didn稚 think anything bad about them.

She described Terri as a good mother who snapped a photo of the boys at their science project the morning Kyron vanished.

的 asked Curtis about Kyron痴 last day at school and he told me he was happy, he was interacting with her, and they were really excited about the science fair project, Holm said.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/98272674.html


Kurtis Holm

Sources: Terri Horman vague on Kyron痴 doctor appointment date
Story Published: Jul 21, 2010 at 7:11 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 21, 2010 at 8:38 PM PDT


Kim Holm痴 son, Kurtis, who Terri Horman photographed with his science project around the time she took a picture of Kyron that morning, said her son knew about the appointment too.

鄭nd the teacher said, 選 thought he left with his mom, because they thought they had a doctor appointment, Holm said. 鄭nd then at lunchtime, Kurtis ate lunch with him every day, he wasn稚 there at lunchtime.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/98981009.html


Alot has been uncovered about Kim Holm and her relationship with her children. I'm sorry how far is her home from Jim Kelly's home?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 27, 2011, 08:57:59 PM
I wonder if they choose these 11 spots because they are certain roads that lead off of skyeline. 11 spots to me say it is not an exact search but a general area search. Perhaps they know Terri(/or whoever), took skyline road north and these searches are based on road off of skyeline. Not sure if I explained that right or not.

I seem to recall something about the eleven spots being where there were "gates" (that closed off logging trails).  Anyone else recall that?

Puzzler, the information in the link below about the January search might be helpful.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/01/search_for_kyron_horman_resume.html

Per the above link

Between 40 to 50 search-and-rescue workers, along with up to seven cadaver-detecting dogs, will be combing the dense forested area around turnouts, trailheads, and gated logging roads along a stretch of Northwest Skyline Road, south of Rocky Point Road and a gravel road further north in the Dixie Mountain area.


So I wonder if there are 11 of these such places while driving north on Skyeline? I counted 10-12 on google but you don't always see everything on the map. This has to be the specific area "someone" pinged that morning. I further wonder if there are wells, underground tunnels, bunkers or caves, in any of these area's, some place a person can put a person without the need to bury them. They can also conceal a live person if need be. Isn't there a story of a girl who was kidnapped and was kept in a bunker? She befriended her kidnapper and convinced him to let her use the cell phone which she used to call police. A few shows on tv has also had this as a story line, could give someone an idea. I don't know, just an idea I guess


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 27, 2011, 09:09:47 PM
Kim Holm

Court doc: Kaine accuses Terri of sexual affair
Story Published: Jul 12, 2010 at 2:53 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 13, 2010 at 12:24 AM PDT


Meanwhile, Kim Holm, who is good friends with Terri said Monday, 的 really think they were a good family before this.

She said they volunteered together at Skyline School where her son, Curtis, is good friends with Kyron, and when Terri asked Curtis to go bowling with the family just days before Kyron disappeared, a normally protective Holm let her son go.

的 don稚 let my kids go with anybody, and I let him go bowling with them the Sunday before he disappeared, because I just trusted them, she said. 的 didn稚 think anything bad about them.

She described Terri as a good mother who snapped a photo of the boys at their science project the morning Kyron vanished.

的 asked Curtis about Kyron痴 last day at school and he told me he was happy, he was interacting with her, and they were really excited about the science fair project, Holm said.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/98272674.html


Kurtis Holm

Sources: Terri Horman vague on Kyron痴 doctor appointment date
Story Published: Jul 21, 2010 at 7:11 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 21, 2010 at 8:38 PM PDT


Kim Holm痴 son, Kurtis, who Terri Horman photographed with his science project around the time she took a picture of Kyron that morning, said her son knew about the appointment too.

鄭nd the teacher said, 選 thought he left with his mom, because they thought they had a doctor appointment, Holm said. 鄭nd then at lunchtime, Kurtis ate lunch with him every day, he wasn稚 there at lunchtime.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/98981009.html


Alot has been uncovered about Kim Holm and her relationship with her children. I'm sorry how far is her home from Jim Kelly's home?

Hi Tracygirl.

Maybe Klaas can retrieve the images that are missing from the following post.

Janet

+++++


Klaasen
Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #6 7/13/10 -
ォ Reply #72 on: July 13, 2010, 10:56:55 PM サ

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8267.msg1183061#msg1183061


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 27, 2011, 09:21:22 PM
Kim Holm

Court doc: Kaine accuses Terri of sexual affair
Story Published: Jul 12, 2010 at 2:53 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 13, 2010 at 12:24 AM PDT


Meanwhile, Kim Holm, who is good friends with Terri said Monday, 的 really think they were a good family before this.

She said they volunteered together at Skyline School where her son, Curtis, is good friends with Kyron, and when Terri asked Curtis to go bowling with the family just days before Kyron disappeared, a normally protective Holm let her son go.

的 don稚 let my kids go with anybody, and I let him go bowling with them the Sunday before he disappeared, because I just trusted them, she said. 的 didn稚 think anything bad about them.

She described Terri as a good mother who snapped a photo of the boys at their science project the morning Kyron vanished.

的 asked Curtis about Kyron痴 last day at school and he told me he was happy, he was interacting with her, and they were really excited about the science fair project, Holm said.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/98272674.html


Kurtis Holm

Sources: Terri Horman vague on Kyron痴 doctor appointment date
Story Published: Jul 21, 2010 at 7:11 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 21, 2010 at 8:38 PM PDT


Kim Holm痴 son, Kurtis, who Terri Horman photographed with his science project around the time she took a picture of Kyron that morning, said her son knew about the appointment too.

鄭nd the teacher said, 選 thought he left with his mom, because they thought they had a doctor appointment, Holm said. 鄭nd then at lunchtime, Kurtis ate lunch with him every day, he wasn稚 there at lunchtime.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/98981009.html


Alot has been uncovered about Kim Holm and her relationship with her children. I'm sorry how far is her home from Jim Kelly's home?

Hi Tracygirl.

Maybe Klaas can retrieve the images that are missing from the following post.

Janet

+++++


Klaasen
Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #6 7/13/10 -
ォ Reply #72 on: July 13, 2010, 10:56:55 PM サ

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8267.msg1183061#msg1183061


(Continued)

Klassen
Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #6 7/13/10 -
ォ Reply #84 on: July 14, 2010, 03:15:58 AM サ

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8267.80


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on March 27, 2011, 10:17:17 PM
I wonder if they choose these 11 spots because they are certain roads that lead off of skyeline. 11 spots to me say it is not an exact search but a general area search. Perhaps they know Terri(/or whoever), took skyline road north and these searches are based on road off of skyeline. Not sure if I explained that right or not.

I seem to recall something about the eleven spots being where there were "gates" (that closed off logging trails).  Anyone else recall that?

grace-land - TY

Puzzler, the information in the link below about the January search might be helpful.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/01/search_for_kyron_horman_resume.html



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on March 27, 2011, 10:20:20 PM
I wonder if they choose these 11 spots because they are certain roads that lead off of skyeline. 11 spots to me say it is not an exact search but a general area search. Perhaps they know Terri(/or whoever), took skyline road north and these searches are based on road off of skyeline. Not sure if I explained that right or not.

I seem to recall something about the eleven spots being where there were "gates" (that closed off logging trails).  Anyone else recall that?

Puzzler, the information in the link below about the January search might be helpful.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/01/search_for_kyron_horman_resume.html

Per the above link

Between 40 to 50 search-and-rescue workers, along with up to seven cadaver-detecting dogs, will be combing the dense forested area around turnouts, trailheads, and gated logging roads along a stretch of Northwest Skyline Road, south of Rocky Point Road and a gravel road further north in the Dixie Mountain area.


So I wonder if there are 11 of these such places while driving north on Skyeline? I counted 10-12 on google but you don't always see everything on the map. This has to be the specific area "someone" pinged that morning. I further wonder if there are wells, underground tunnels, bunkers or caves, in any of these area's, some place a person can put a person without the need to bury them. They can also conceal a live person if need be. Isn't there a story of a girl who was kidnapped and was kept in a bunker? She befriended her kidnapper and convinced him to let her use the cell phone which she used to call police. A few shows on tv has also had this as a story line, could give someone an idea. I don't know, just an idea I guess

Traceygirl....the way I'm understanding it after all this time is that it can't be a "specific" spot where a ping happened because the Sauvie Island Cell Tower covers a large area (miles of area) and because of the mountains, the GPS does "not" work in that area.  So, IMO, it's not specific...it's the greater area Terri's phone pinged in. 



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on March 27, 2011, 10:47:46 PM
I wonder if they choose these 11 spots because they are certain roads that lead off of skyeline. 11 spots to me say it is not an exact search but a general area search. Perhaps they know Terri(/or whoever), took skyline road north and these searches are based on road off of skyeline. Not sure if I explained that right or not.

I seem to recall something about the eleven spots being where there were "gates" (that closed off logging trails).  Anyone else recall that?

Puzzler, the information in the link below about the January search might be helpful.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/01/search_for_kyron_horman_resume.html

Per the above link

Between 40 to 50 search-and-rescue workers, along with up to seven cadaver-detecting dogs, will be combing the dense forested area around turnouts, trailheads, and gated logging roads along a stretch of Northwest Skyline Road, south of Rocky Point Road and a gravel road further north in the Dixie Mountain area.


So I wonder if there are 11 of these such places while driving north on Skyeline? I counted 10-12 on google but you don't always see everything on the map. This has to be the specific area "someone" pinged that morning. I further wonder if there are wells, underground tunnels, bunkers or caves, in any of these area's, some place a person can put a person without the need to bury them. They can also conceal a live person if need be. Isn't there a story of a girl who was kidnapped and was kept in a bunker? She befriended her kidnapper and convinced him to let her use the cell phone which she used to call police. A few shows on tv has also had this as a story line, could give someone an idea. I don't know, just an idea I guess

Traceygirl....the way I'm understanding it after all this time is that it can't be a "specific" spot where a ping happened because the Sauvie Island Cell Tower covers a large area (miles of area) and because of the mountains, the GPS does "not" work in that area.  So, IMO, it's not specific...it's the greater area Terri's phone pinged in. 



Unless, of course, someone came forward and actually talke to LE...if that happened, that person was only sure of a "general" area to look in.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on March 27, 2011, 10:49:33 PM
http://www.kgw.com/news/75-volunteers-search-for-Kyron-Horman--118737134.html

Crew of 130 in the search today


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on March 27, 2011, 11:26:53 PM
Some thought-provoking posts from BOC:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-69/#comments

39.  Kim from PA says:
March 27, 2011 at 6:36 pm
LE said they completed searching 7 or 8 of the 11 planned search areas in January. They are now back in the same area, I presume, to complete searching the remaining search areas. The body of Javier Trejo-Richarte was found in this same area in between the last search and this weekends search.
Could Javier Trejo-Richarte痴 body have been dumped here to throw off the cadaver dogs searching for Kyron?
Whomever decided to put Javier Trejo-Richarte there may know Kyron is in a close by. not-yet-searched area and a 2nd body may confuse cadaver dogs.
Just my own theory and thoughts.

I think the obvious question to locals is this: Do You have a lot of vanishing kids, and dead bodies in a search grid with a Federal fugitives houses nearby often?
I mean no disrespect, I am really concerned at the passive way this seems to be occurring.
B


40. Puzzled says:
March 27, 2011 at 7:24 pm
@zeus
@Kim from PA and
@Blink
vanishing kids = Kyron, and dead bodies = Javier Trejo-Richartes in a search grid with a Federal fugitives houses = DAD
there is so much more to this story than we have been told imo

50.    CBickel says:
March 27, 2011 at 10:00 pm
@Puzzled.vanishing kids also = Elsy痴 children
FWIWI agree that there is more to this story than we have been told, I知 also afraid 努e will never know what really happened June 4, 2010 or the real reason(s) why.
Thoughts and prayers are with Kyron, his brothers, sister, friends and classmates.





Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 27, 2011, 11:32:14 PM
I wonder if they choose these 11 spots because they are certain roads that lead off of skyeline. 11 spots to me say it is not an exact search but a general area search. Perhaps they know Terri(/or whoever), took skyline road north and these searches are based on road off of skyeline. Not sure if I explained that right or not.

I seem to recall something about the eleven spots being where there were "gates" (that closed off logging trails).  Anyone else recall that?

Puzzler, the information in the link below about the January search might be helpful.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/01/search_for_kyron_horman_resume.html

Per the above link

Between 40 to 50 search-and-rescue workers, along with up to seven cadaver-detecting dogs, will be combing the dense forested area around turnouts, trailheads, and gated logging roads along a stretch of Northwest Skyline Road, south of Rocky Point Road and a gravel road further north in the Dixie Mountain area.


So I wonder if there are 11 of these such places while driving north on Skyeline? I counted 10-12 on google but you don't always see everything on the map. This has to be the specific area "someone" pinged that morning. I further wonder if there are wells, underground tunnels, bunkers or caves, in any of these area's, some place a person can put a person without the need to bury them. They can also conceal a live person if need be. Isn't there a story of a girl who was kidnapped and was kept in a bunker? She befriended her kidnapper and convinced him to let her use the cell phone which she used to call police. A few shows on tv has also had this as a story line, could give someone an idea. I don't know, just an idea I guess

Traceygirl....the way I'm understanding it after all this time is that it can't be a "specific" spot where a ping happened because the Sauvie Island Cell Tower covers a large area (miles of area) and because of the mountains, the GPS does "not" work in that area.  So, IMO, it's not specific...it's the greater area Terri's phone pinged in. 



Unless, of course, someone came forward and actually talke to LE...if that happened, that person was only sure of a "general" area to look in.

They seem to be going to the roads off Skyeline road, so something/someone must be telling them about that specific road. Whether it be cell phone pings or witness sightings or a person involved, for some reason LE and Desiree are sure Kyron is in that one area of portland. I think they are going to find him, I really do. I don't think anything else is an option.
Puzzler what do you think about the body of the man being found in that area? It has been mentioned a bit on blinks site. I find it interesting. There was also another comment from blink that made me take pause...
Per blinks site...http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-69/#comments

I think the obvious question to locals is this: Do You have a lot of vanishing kids, and dead bodies in a search grid with a Federal fugitives houses nearby often?

I mean no disrespect, I am really concerned at the passive way this seems to be occurring.
B


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 27, 2011, 11:35:03 PM
Puzzler we just posted the same blink comment, lol. Sorry about that! It really makes you stop and think for second.

You also included the next couple of posts, the one about Elsy and her kids, where are they and is their missing person case somehow mixed with Kyrons?
So many coincidences in this case. It is odd to me.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on March 27, 2011, 11:43:37 PM
Puzzler we just posted the same blink comment, lol. Sorry about that! It really makes you stop and think for second.

You also included the next couple of posts, the one about Elsy and her kids, where are they and is their missing person case somehow mixed with Kyrons?
So many coincidences in this case. It is odd to me.

Traceygirl - this is just me thinking through my fingers - but - the SI Cell Tower pings cover a large area - because of the mountains, there is no GPS available in that area - so the ping "that covers a larg area" is all they have (speaking of pings only).  It seems to me that most all of the first searchs (last summer and fall) covered Sauvie Island itself and now the searches are covering a vast area on the other side of the river (across from SI)....and "all" of this area is in the area where the SI Cell Tower "ping" would cover.

It would make sense that when the FBI profilers went through the LE binders last November, that they would suggest the rest of the area covered by that "one" SI Cell Tower ping would cover.  It would fit in with Staton saying that the profilers had suggested other areas to look and other things to look for. 



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 27, 2011, 11:46:31 PM
Puzzler we just posted the same blink comment, lol. Sorry about that! It really makes you stop and think for second.

You also included the next couple of posts, the one about Elsy and her kids, where are they and is their missing person case somehow mixed with Kyrons?
So many coincidences in this case. It is odd to me.

Traceygirl - this is just me thinking through my fingers - but - the SI Cell Tower pings cover a large area - because of the mountains, there is no GPS available in that area - so the ping "that covers a larg area" is all they have (speaking of pings only).  It seems to me that most all of the first searchs (last summer and fall) covered Sauvie Island itself and now the searches are covering a vast area on the other side of the river (across from SI)....and "all" of this area is in the area where the SI Cell Tower "ping" would cover.

It would make sense that when the FBI profilers went through the LE binders last November, that they would suggest the rest of the area covered by that "one" SI Cell Tower ping would cover.  It would fit in with Staton saying that the profilers had suggested other areas to look and other things to look for. 


Good points Puzzler. Yep could be!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: melisb on March 28, 2011, 10:25:39 AM
Could this be as simple as a stepmother really hating Kyron and doing away with him and covering all her bases in the disposal                     
   

                                                                 or


is this as big and wide with some type of human trafficking/child porn trade, drug cartel, maybe repaying a debt TH owed or a big sign to TH that we are coming for you or one of your blood born children?  How far and wide could this be and how threatened could people be to not even want to give a clue as to what happened to Kyron anonymously?  I just don't effin get it!  Is it that simple or is it that big given all the feds and others brought into and still working on his case.  One more thing I must add regarding the trafficking/kiddie porn/pedo area, I keep going back to the videos posted by that nutty woman on youtube that were made about Kyron.  What if she is just crazy enough to really know something?  Why back then even connect Ky's case to someone named Dr. Death who like little kids for evil reasons and then snuffs the life out of them.  Is she telling LE in some way to look at all the missing little kids in that area?  I know we all dismissed all of her work as just another 15 min famer but she never really did come out and say anything?  Just my rambling thoughts this morn trying to fool myself into thinking I don't have to get up and go to work!  Y'all have a wonderful day!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on March 28, 2011, 12:05:13 PM
http://www.flashalert.net/news.html?id=1276&alert=1 (http://www.flashalert.net/news.html?id=1276&alert=1)

UPDATE: Searchers Continue Efforts for Kyron Horman - 03/27/11
Search operations were conducted today in the same general geographic area as yesterday. The base of operations moved to NW Dixie Mountain Road near the Multnomah-Washington County border to help facilitate today's efforts.

This weekend's operations are part of the continuing investigation in to find Kyron Horman. Because of the confidential nature of the investigation, it is inappropriate at this time to discuss the timing or scheduling of future search operations. Investigators meet frequently to evaluate the investigative tips in the case as well as other factors like weather conditions to determine where and when ground searches will occur.

Searchers await the next mission call and remain resolute and determined to bring any effort to bear to locate Kyron.

Today's efforts brought together both paid and volunteer staff from the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office, the Washington County Sheriff's Office, the Clark County (Washington) Sheriff's Office, and the the independent volunteer search and rescue groups Mountain Wave Emergency Communications, North Oregon K9 Search and Rescue, Pacific Northwest Search and Rescue, Portland Mountain Rescue, and Search One K9 Detection.

Approximately seventy personnel in total were involved today, bringing the weekend searcher and overhead staff numbers to 130 for the weekend. While some paid staff were represented in these numbers, the greater majority are trained and certified citizen volunteers serving their communities through search and rescue services.

____________________________________________________

BBM

Why is the Clark County Sheriffs office in Washington, involved in the search for Kyron in Oregon?




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: nicubird on March 28, 2011, 12:51:58 PM
I have no idea. However, it is right across the river and Terri has been there at least once:

Name    Court    Case Number    Judgment Record    Court Information
1   Horman, Terri Lm
Defendant    Clark County Dist   5614254   06-09-2008

http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.namelist


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: nicubird on March 28, 2011, 12:53:50 PM
I have no idea. However, it is right across the river and Terri has been there at least once:

Name    Court    Case Number    Judgment Record    Court Information
1   Horman, Terri Lm
Defendant    Clark County Dist   5614254   06-09-2008

http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.namelist

http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.namesearch&terms=accept&flashform=0

This link will work, but you'll need to input the name. The link I provided previously creates an error.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on March 28, 2011, 02:03:03 PM
I have no idea. However, it is right across the river and Terri has been there at least once:

Name    Court    Case Number    Judgment Record    Court Information
1   Horman, Terri Lm
Defendant    Clark County Dist   5614254   06-09-2008

http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.namelist

http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.namesearch&terms=accept&flashform=0

This link will work, but you'll need to input the name. The link I provided previously creates an error.

TY nicu!

I looked it up and it was a traffic infraction. So TH was about 4 months pregnant with Kiara when that happened. Who does she know in Clark County?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: monchichi on March 28, 2011, 03:37:07 PM
http://www.flashalert.net/news.html?id=1276&alert=1 (http://www.flashalert.net/news.html?id=1276&alert=1)

UPDATE: Searchers Continue Efforts for Kyron Horman - 03/27/11
Search operations were conducted today in the same general geographic area as yesterday. The base of operations moved to NW Dixie Mountain Road near the Multnomah-Washington County border to help facilitate today's efforts.

This weekend's operations are part of the continuing investigation in to find Kyron Horman. Because of the confidential nature of the investigation, it is inappropriate at this time to discuss the timing or scheduling of future search operations. Investigators meet frequently to evaluate the investigative tips in the case as well as other factors like weather conditions to determine where and when ground searches will occur.

Searchers await the next mission call and remain resolute and determined to bring any effort to bear to locate Kyron.

Today's efforts brought together both paid and volunteer staff from the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office, the Washington County Sheriff's Office, the Clark County (Washington) Sheriff's Office, and the the independent volunteer search and rescue groups Mountain Wave Emergency Communications, North Oregon K9 Search and Rescue, Pacific Northwest Search and Rescue, Portland Mountain Rescue, and Search One K9 Detection.

Approximately seventy personnel in total were involved today, bringing the weekend searcher and overhead staff numbers to 130 for the weekend. While some paid staff were represented in these numbers, the greater majority are trained and certified citizen volunteers serving their communities through search and rescue services.

____________________________________________________

BBM

Why is the Clark County Sheriffs office in Washington, involved in the search for Kyron in Oregon?




Good catch, Sassifrass!  I wonder if they are just covering bases because TMH may have had links to Vancouver and the surrounding area?  Also, were Kaine's brother and his ex living in WA?  I seem to recall something about Vancouver wrt Kristian...

Finally, I also remember a possible Ky sighting early on at  a McDonald's along I-5 in WA.  But I'm sure that was probably discounted.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: monchichi on March 28, 2011, 03:45:20 PM
Okay, I should have read Sassifrass' article about the search more carefully.  Staff from Clark County Sheriff's Office were volunteering to aid in the search for Kyron, in the same area previously searched.  I know a lot of people would volunteer from ALL over the country, if they had the opportunity.  I think they are just good hearted people trying to help.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: monchichi on March 28, 2011, 03:48:21 PM
I have no idea. However, it is right across the river and Terri has been there at least once:

Name    Court    Case Number    Judgment Record    Court Information
1   Horman, Terri Lm
Defendant    Clark County Dist   5614254   06-09-2008

http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.namelist

I imagine Terri's been to Vancouver more than once.  There is a lot of crossover between Portland/Vancouver.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on March 28, 2011, 03:48:45 PM
http://www.flashalert.net/news.html?id=1276&alert=1 (http://www.flashalert.net/news.html?id=1276&alert=1)

UPDATE: Searchers Continue Efforts for Kyron Horman - 03/27/11
Search operations were conducted today in the same general geographic area as yesterday. The base of operations moved to NW Dixie Mountain Road near the Multnomah-Washington County border to help facilitate today's efforts.

This weekend's operations are part of the continuing investigation in to find Kyron Horman. Because of the confidential nature of the investigation, it is inappropriate at this time to discuss the timing or scheduling of future search operations. Investigators meet frequently to evaluate the investigative tips in the case as well as other factors like weather conditions to determine where and when ground searches will occur.

Searchers await the next mission call and remain resolute and determined to bring any effort to bear to locate Kyron.

Today's efforts brought together both paid and volunteer staff
from the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office, the Washington County Sheriff's Office, the Clark County (Washington) Sheriff's Office, and the the independent volunteer search and rescue groups Mountain Wave Emergency Communications, North Oregon K9 Search and Rescue, Pacific Northwest Search and Rescue, Portland Mountain Rescue, and Search One K9 Detection.

Approximately seventy personnel in total were involved today, bringing the weekend searcher and overhead staff numbers to 130 for the weekend. While some paid staff were represented in these numbers, the greater majority are trained and certified citizen volunteers serving their communities through search and rescue services.

____________________________________________________

BBM

Why is the Clark County Sheriffs office in Washington, involved in the search for Kyron in Oregon?




Sassi - I noted BBM above that part of the volunteers were paid.  Earlier I had noticed that 130 people were a lot of volunteers - they usually have more like 75...so, maybe the paid volunteers came from Clark County.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on March 28, 2011, 04:12:03 PM
Okay, I should have read Sassifrass' article about the search more carefully.  Staff from Clark County Sheriff's Office were volunteering to aid in the search for Kyron, in the same area previously searched.  I know a lot of people would volunteer from ALL over the country, if they had the opportunity.  I think they are just good hearted people trying to help.

monchichi: Actually, that's not correct. They didn't stipulate who was paid and whom wasn't. Most of the volunteers, stated at an earlier update, were SAR people.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on March 28, 2011, 04:15:47 PM
http://www.flashalert.net/news.html?id=1276&alert=1 (http://www.flashalert.net/news.html?id=1276&alert=1)

UPDATE: Searchers Continue Efforts for Kyron Horman - 03/27/11
Search operations were conducted today in the same general geographic area as yesterday. The base of operations moved to NW Dixie Mountain Road near the Multnomah-Washington County border to help facilitate today's efforts.

This weekend's operations are part of the continuing investigation in to find Kyron Horman. Because of the confidential nature of the investigation, it is inappropriate at this time to discuss the timing or scheduling of future search operations. Investigators meet frequently to evaluate the investigative tips in the case as well as other factors like weather conditions to determine where and when ground searches will occur.

Searchers await the next mission call and remain resolute and determined to bring any effort to bear to locate Kyron.

Today's efforts brought together both paid and volunteer staff
from the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office, the Washington County Sheriff's Office, the Clark County (Washington) Sheriff's Office, and the the independent volunteer search and rescue groups Mountain Wave Emergency Communications, North Oregon K9 Search and Rescue, Pacific Northwest Search and Rescue, Portland Mountain Rescue, and Search One K9 Detection.

Approximately seventy personnel in total were involved today, bringing the weekend searcher and overhead staff numbers to 130 for the weekend. While some paid staff were represented in these numbers, the greater majority are trained and certified citizen volunteers serving their communities through search and rescue services.

____________________________________________________

BBM

Why is the Clark County Sheriffs office in Washington, involved in the search for Kyron in Oregon?




Sassi - I noted BBM above that part of the volunteers were paid.  Earlier I had noticed that 130 people were a lot of volunteers - they usually have more like 75...so, maybe the paid volunteers came from Clark County.



TY Puzzler!

Do we have a list of the of the task force team? I know it was stated, but I just want to check.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on March 28, 2011, 04:29:12 PM
Post from BOC:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/

Lea Conner says:
March 28, 2011 at 3:13 am
At the risk of championing the painfully obvious, this is what I see:

1. On June 4, 2010, Kyron disappeared from his school (Skyline Elementary), which is only few miles from where Javier Trejo-Richarte痴 body was found several months later, on March 5, 2011.

2. Sauvie Island resident David Anthony Durham began having severe emotional problems around the time Kyron went missing. These issues resulted in Durham leaving the Sauvie Island Fire Department.

3. The area around NW Reeder Road, near David Anthony Durham痴 home on NW Sauvie Island Road, was searched in June 2010, following Kyron痴 disappearance, and multiple times thereafter.

4. Just before midnight on January 23, 2011, a heavily-armed Durham opened fire on Lincoln County Police Officer Steven Dodds. Less than 24 hours later, an ambulance and several law enforcement vehicles raced up Sauvie Island Rd to Durham痴 residence.

5. In late January 2011, the FBI Behavioral Analysis Unit returned to Portland, for the first time since Kyron痴 disappearance. No word on whether the visit was before or after Durham shot Dodd. However, prior to the shooting, Durham claimed the FBI was out to get him.

6. On January 31, 2011, following the shooting in Lincoln City, searchers combed a remote, rural area on Dixie Mountain for any sign of Kyron.

7. A few weeks later, on March 5, 2011, the body of Javier Trejo-Richart is found on NW Skyline Blvd, between Johnson and Moreland roads, a short distance from the search area. Trejo-Richarte痴 body had been at that location up to a week.

8. Trejo-Richarte worked for a recycling firm located in the 3900 block of NW Yeon Avenue, just a few blocks from the printing firm where David Anthony Durham worked, in the 3400 block of NW Yeon Ave.

All of this may be one big coincidence, but considering that we are talking about a rural, sparsely populated area, what are the odds?

To put it another way, had the same facts played out in a small section of downtown, nobody would think anything of it. However, given the rural nature of the area where Kyron went missing, it would highly unusual to later have an unrelated dead body turn up in the same general area.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: monchichi on March 28, 2011, 04:35:06 PM
Okay, I should have read Sassifrass' article about the search more carefully.  Staff from Clark County Sheriff's Office were volunteering to aid in the search for Kyron, in the same area previously searched.  I know a lot of people would volunteer from ALL over the country, if they had the opportunity.  I think they are just good hearted people trying to help.

monchichi: Actually, that's not correct. They didn't stipulate who was paid and whom wasn't. Most of the volunteers, stated at an earlier update, were SAR people.  ::MonkeyWink::

Oops, you are right.  It doesn't say one way or the other.  I don't find it hinky though, whether they were paid or not, they may be bringing in all of the experts they can.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: akmom on March 28, 2011, 05:21:29 PM
    Every day I read at Blinks.  In order to read Kyron's thread, I have to scroll by DAD's picture.  I cannot shake the feeling I get when I look at him.  If you put a ball cap, sunglasses, and pulled hair back, DD, DAD and TH all could pass for another, at least from a distance.  Especially if you did not know them well.  I have to wonder if there was a series of hand-offs, or if these people placed themselves at spots where they purposely might be mistaken for another.  Throw in the searches near DAD's house, not to mention the night that ambulances, etc descended on it, after the shooting of the police officer.  I can't think these are coincidences.  Where is DAD and why have we not heard anything more????  I keep thinking something will break soon.  It HAS to.....right???


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 28, 2011, 09:44:50 PM
Could it be that somebody is talking?

Janet

++++++

JUNE 30, 2011

Kyron task force calls for West Hills search
By KATU News and KATU.com Staff
Story Published: Jan 30, 2011 at 12:29 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jan 30, 2011 at 7:11 PM PDT


<snipped>

Dozens of search-and-rescue workers, along with seven cadaver-detecting dogs, are combing the forest along a 6-mile stretch of Northwest Skyline Boulevard. They also will be searching off of a gravel road in Skyline's Dixie Mountain area. That area reportedly could not be searched in previous weeks due to snow cover.

A spokesperson confirms that Sunday's efforts are being done in the hopes of bringing "closure" to the nearly 8-month-long search for missing 8-year-old Kyron Horman. Kyron was 7 when he is believed to have disappeared from a science fair in rural Northwest Portland's Skyline School.

Searchers focused on two locations in the west hills: north and west of Portland. We're told these two search locations are based on investigative leads developed by the Kyron Horman Task Force. The search was expected to continue throughout the day Sunday.

<snipped>

http://www.katu.com/news/local/114899784.html


MARCH 28, 2011

70 help in Kyron Horman search near the North Plains area (update)
Published: Sunday, March 27, 2011, 10:25 PM
Updated: Monday, March 28, 2011, 6:00 AM


Nearly 70 volunteers and local law enforcement employees participated in today's search for Kyron Horman bringing the total of weekend searchers to about 130.

Multnomah County Sheriff's officials confirmed that search and rescue teams have returned to an area they were near on Saturday in the search for Kyron Horman.
 
spokesman Lt. Mark Matsushima said search personnel is covering an area near Northwest Dixie Mountain Road, north of where they searched Saturday about four miles north of North Plains.

Matsushima said Sunday's search is part of the ongoing investigation into the 8-year-old's disappearance.

<snipped>

The following law enforcement agencies and rescue groups participated in today's search: Multnomah County Sheriff's Office, Washington County Sheriff's Office, Clark County Sheriff's Office, the Mountain Wave Emergency Communications, North Oregon K9 Search and Rescue, Pacific Northwest Search and Rescue, Portland Mountain Rescue and Search One K9 Detection.

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2011/03/teams_back_in_north_plains_area_for_second_day_in_search_for_kyron_horman.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on March 28, 2011, 11:49:13 PM
Post 41 on BOC:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/

neighbor says:
March 28, 2011 at 8:12 pm
B wrote 的 think the obvious question to locals is this: Do You have a lot of vanishing kids, and dead bodies in a search grid with a Federal fugitives houses nearby often?
I mean no disrespect, I am really concerned at the passive way this seems to be occurring.
B

Idahogal wrote 邸Blink- I agree it is beyond bizarre. Maybe Kyron, DAD and Javier Trejo will end up being connecting dots in a really big, ugly puzzle. The thought that they might really boggles my mind.

I second. It seems very odd. Many locals and parents have been held under the microscope. Some lost their security clearance to volunteer at school. One got arrested on an out-of-state felon warrant, and a drugs operation was busted. These are word of mouth from a well respected/informed other local. Meanwhile the trespassing and gasoline siphon are up as well. But again, it seems very odd that all this crime is suddenly popping up.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: bebecat on March 29, 2011, 10:47:14 AM
I don't like to mention Blink's site or any others here, but over there, you have to buy into her insistence that Kyron was seen leaving the school and was with a "suspect zero", which I totally do not buy into. I do not believe anyone saw him leave the school. LE would be irresponsible if they had a description and had not published it and clearly, if it was TH, she would be arrested by now. I have my doubts that Kyron was truly seen outside at a time he should not have been; think the tipster meant well, but was wrong.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on March 29, 2011, 11:39:33 AM
I don't like to mention Blink's site or any others here, but over there, you have to buy into her insistence that Kyron was seen leaving the school and was with a "suspect zero", which I totally do not buy into. I do not believe anyone saw him leave the school. LE would be irresponsible if they had a description and had not published it and clearly, if it was TH, she would be arrested by now. I have my doubts that Kyron was truly seen outside at a time he should not have been; think the tipster meant well, but was wrong.

bebe: I realize that you are fairly new to SM, but just to let you know, BOC is not only a sister site to SM, and a Monkey member, but she is highly respected. If, and when, Blink makes a statement, she can back it up. Desiree has also stated that Kyron was seen outside.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 29, 2011, 02:52:59 PM
I don't like to mention Blink's site or any others here, but over there, you have to buy into her insistence that Kyron was seen leaving the school and was with a "suspect zero", which I totally do not buy into. I do not believe anyone saw him leave the school. LE would be irresponsible if they had a description and had not published it and clearly, if it was TH, she would be arrested by now. I have my doubts that Kyron was truly seen outside at a time he should not have been; think the tipster meant well, but was wrong.

Bebecat - there are many times that I don't agree with Blink and or Red or many other people.  Nobody is saying including Blink that you have to agree with them or buy into their views. 

Blink is a sister site and my friend. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Monkey King on March 29, 2011, 05:04:38 PM
Damn shame they have no resolution after all this time.

Hey Folks!!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: melisb on March 29, 2011, 11:29:06 PM
Damn shame they have no resolution after all this time.

Hey Folks!!
Yayyyy! Monkey King made it back!  Pop in more often!  Now if we can find our other missing Monkeys like
WYYYYYKKKKKSSSS!  Where are you?  We are missing a few.  I guess everyone needs a break from the frustration of what seems like a never ending merry go round of missing children.  I, and this is just me, I need to come here everyday and read at least one post of my missing kids and others, it makes me feel connected in a way.  I'm so sad that it can go for days and not a thing about anyone looking for Hailey.  I'm glad they continue with Kyron.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Brandi on March 30, 2011, 01:38:34 AM

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/kyron-missing2.png)

Yup! We're still here for ya, Kyron.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on March 30, 2011, 02:55:09 AM
 ::HelloKitty::

thanks Brandi


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on March 30, 2011, 06:43:08 AM
::HelloKitty::

thanks Brandi

Ditto - I love that picture


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on March 30, 2011, 06:43:38 AM
Damn shame they have no resolution after all this time.

Hey Folks!!

Hey, Monkey King

Good to see you in the cage!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: cw618 on March 30, 2011, 01:22:35 PM
Missing Kyron Horman fb pg
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Missing-Kyron-Horman/125336750831264?sk=app_2309869772

i like that keeps the updates


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Brandi on March 30, 2011, 03:03:30 PM
Missing Kyron Horman fb pg
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Missing-Kyron-Horman/125336750831264?sk=app_2309869772

i like that keeps the updates

Thanks, cw618.

O/T: I left you a post here: http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4314.msg1316608#msg1316608


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Brandi on March 30, 2011, 03:52:18 PM
Horman divorce hearing scheduled for Thursday cancelled, set over for another three months
Published: Wednesday, March 30, 2011, 1:00 AM     Updated: Wednesday, March 30, 2011, 12:14 PM

The Multnomah County judge handling the pending divorce case between Kaine Horman and Terri Moulton Horman has cancelled a scheduled Thursday hearing and will delay it for another three months.

<snipped> http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/03/horman_divorce_hearing_schedul.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 30, 2011, 04:50:05 PM
Re: Summer Inman, 25. Logan Ohio, kidnapped 3/22/11(Body Found)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9655.new#new

+++++++


Body of Missing Ohio Mother Found Inside Septic System
Published March 30, 2011


A suspect in the disappearance of a 25-year-old Ohio mother has led authorities to her body, police said Wednesday.

The mother-in-law of Summer Inman led investigators to the young woman's body, located in a septic system behind a church in Athens County, Ohio, Fox8.com reports.

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/03/30/body-missing-ohio-mother-inside-septic/


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on March 30, 2011, 06:19:15 PM
Horman divorce hearing scheduled for Thursday cancelled, set over for another three months
Published: Wednesday, March 30, 2011, 1:00 AM     Updated: Wednesday, March 30, 2011, 12:14 PM

The Multnomah County judge handling the pending divorce case between Kaine Horman and Terri Moulton Horman has cancelled a scheduled Thursday hearing and will delay it for another three months.

<snipped> http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/03/horman_divorce_hearing_schedul.html

Brandi - TY

That's just what I thought would happen...abatement.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on March 30, 2011, 08:10:12 PM
Thanks for the updates on the new search and the delay of the divorce trial.  Glad to see Kyron still in the news with all the other news events happening around the globe. 

Still praying for you Kyron and all your loved ones.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Monkey King on March 30, 2011, 11:16:28 PM
Hello All!

Does anyone remember back, before Staton's presser in September, they were talking about releasing information about phone records? I assumed it was about all the parents.  I know at the time from what I was hearing what was being said by LE, I was under the impression we were going to hear about someone else having an affair.  Does anyone remember this?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: melisb on March 31, 2011, 12:05:35 AM
Hello All!

Does anyone remember back, before Staton's presser in September, they were talking about releasing information about phone records? I assumed it was about all the parents.  I know at the time from what I was hearing what was being said by LE, I was under the impression we were going to hear about someone else having an affair.  Does anyone remember this?

I must've missed them saying that!  I can't ever remember a time when they said they would release ANY info.  But then again, I miss quite a bit and CRS!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Brandi on March 31, 2011, 12:11:55 AM
Hello All!

Does anyone remember back, before Staton's presser in September, they were talking about releasing information about phone records? I assumed it was about all the parents.  I know at the time from what I was hearing what was being said by LE, I was under the impression we were going to hear about someone else having an affair.  Does anyone remember this?

I must've missed them saying that!  I can't ever remember a time when they said they would release ANY info.  But then again, I miss quite a bit and CRS!

FWIW, I am also in the same boat as melisb.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Monkey King on March 31, 2011, 12:24:45 AM
I am looking and looking trying to locate Staton saying something about these phone records a long while back.

IF anyone else remembers anything about this, please post it or a link.

Thanks guys!



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2011, 10:23:46 AM
I am looking and looking trying to locate Staton saying something about these phone records a long while back.

IF anyone else remembers anything about this, please post it or a link.

Thanks guys!



There is this:

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/12/multnomah_county_sheriff_dan_s_2.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/12/multnomah_county_sheriff_dan_s_2.html)

 ::snipping2::

"I wanted to know what's going on because I lost confidence in the investigation," he said. "I felt the case was moving towards a cold case, and I was concerned. We had collected a ton of information, and nothing was being answered."

He called a special meeting of the lead investigators, who shared what they knew. His confidence was bolstered. There was an investigative plan. A slew of cell phone tower records were being sought, and computer records and thousands of e-mails were to be analyzed, but persons of interest had emerged whose alibis about where they were during the six crucial hours before Kyron was reported missing didn't stack up. The stepmother failed two polygraphs and walked out on a third, exams administered by different law enforcement agencies.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 31, 2011, 12:35:05 PM
Are there documents that could reveal whether it was the attorney Kaine or Terri who requested this recent delay in divorce proceedings or ... did the delay have nothing to do with a request?

Janet

+++++

Horman divorce hearing scheduled for Thursday cancelled, set over for another three months
Published: Wednesday, March 30, 2011, 1:00 AM
Updated: Wednesday, March 30, 2011, 12:14 PM


<snipped>

In October, Terri Horman's lawyers convinced a judge to delay the divorce proceedings for 90 days, arguing that the divorce case should not continue while an ongoing criminal investigation proceeds into Kyron's disappearance.

A hearing scheduled for January was postponed until the spring. The court then set aside nine hours for a March 31 hearing, but that hearing has been delayed for another three months, with no new date agreed to as of yet, according to the judge's clerk.

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/03/horman_divorce_hearing_schedul.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 31, 2011, 12:37:14 PM
I am looking and looking trying to locate Staton saying something about these phone records a long while back.

IF anyone else remembers anything about this, please post it or a link.

Thanks guys!



There is this:

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/12/multnomah_county_sheriff_dan_s_2.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/12/multnomah_county_sheriff_dan_s_2.html)

 ::snipping2::

"I wanted to know what's going on because I lost confidence in the investigation," he said. "I felt the case was moving towards a cold case, and I was concerned. We had collected a ton of information, and nothing was being answered."

He called a special meeting of the lead investigators, who shared what they knew. His confidence was bolstered. There was an investigative plan. A slew of cell phone tower records were being sought, and computer records and thousands of e-mails were to be analyzed, but persons of interest had emerged whose alibis about where they were during the six crucial hours before Kyron was reported missing didn't stack up. The stepmother failed two polygraphs and walked out on a third, exams administered by different law enforcement agencies.

 ::snipping2::

Thanks Klaas.

Inquiring minds want to know who those persons of interest are that Staton is referring to.

Janet


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: grace-land on March 31, 2011, 03:54:52 PM
I am looking and looking trying to locate Staton saying something about these phone records a long while back.

IF anyone else remembers anything about this, please post it or a link.

Thanks guys!



There is this:

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/12/multnomah_county_sheriff_dan_s_2.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/12/multnomah_county_sheriff_dan_s_2.html)

 ::snipping2::

"I wanted to know what's going on because I lost confidence in the investigation," he said. "I felt the case was moving towards a cold case, and I was concerned. We had collected a ton of information, and nothing was being answered."

He called a special meeting of the lead investigators, who shared what they knew. His confidence was bolstered. There was an investigative plan. A slew of cell phone tower records were being sought, and computer records and thousands of e-mails were to be analyzed, but persons of interest had emerged whose alibis about where they were during the six crucial hours before Kyron was reported missing didn't stack up. The stepmother failed two polygraphs and walked out on a third, exams administered by different law enforcement agencies.

 ::snipping2::

Thanks Klaas.

Inquiring minds want to know who those persons of interest are that Staton is referring to.

Janet

Hi, Janet.  I would consider Terri and DeDe as persons of interest.  Too many questions unanswered about these two.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: monchichi on March 31, 2011, 07:52:41 PM

Thanks Klaas.

Inquiring minds want to know who those persons of interest are that Staton is referring to.

Janet

That stood out to me as well.  I don't remember them ever saying there were persons of interest.  There are two obvious people, but I never thought they actually said "Persons of interest" before.  Thanks Klaas for finding that!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Roxie on April 01, 2011, 11:32:59 AM
photos of the recent search for Kyron


http://photos.oregonlive.com/oregonian/2011/01/searching_for_kyron_horman_13.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: akmom on April 01, 2011, 12:26:11 PM
I am very surprised to see kids among the searchers.  I understand that it may be something like a scouting group, or some kind of learning group, but I thought there had been some emphasis on the fact that they only wanted experienced searchers??


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: wildmala on April 01, 2011, 02:47:29 PM
I am very surprised to see kids among the searchers.  I understand that it may be something like a scouting group, or some kind of learning group, but I thought there had been some emphasis on the fact that they only wanted experienced searchers??

That suprised me as well.  My hope is that their assistance was limited to the staging area, providing water, etc.  But they do have on gear that looks like they plan to be walking through brush...

Please Lord, guide these people to Kyron.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on April 01, 2011, 03:11:56 PM
photos of the recent search for Kyron


http://photos.oregonlive.com/oregonian/2011/01/searching_for_kyron_horman_13.html

These are actually from the January search. ubrmel has photo's from the recent search that she took.

http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t166/ubrmel/03%2027%202011%20SEARCH%20KYRON/ (http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t166/ubrmel/03%2027%202011%20SEARCH%20KYRON/)

It was good to see those photo's from the January search again.  ::MonkeyWink:: Thanks Roxie!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Scandi on April 01, 2011, 09:30:56 PM
I am looking and looking trying to locate Staton saying something about these phone records a long while back.

IF anyone else remembers anything about this, please post it or a link.

Thanks guys!



And recently when the investigation was bolstered by 3 experts, one of them was an expert in cell phone pings who hailed from San Francisco:

February 24, 2011 - Kyron Horman Investigation Gets Boost From FBI--The investigation into the disappearance of Kyron Horman will be getting a boost from the FBI, which is dedicating up to six agents to help a sheriff's office task force. Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton updated county commissioners on the case this morning and said the investigation is "moving forward" and "continuing strongly." The team of investigators assigned to the case includes an expert in information technology and a communications technology expert hired out of California to look over cell phone and cell tower data. There is also a behavioral psychologist helping in the case, Staton said.

http://www.kptv.com/news/26983763/detail.html (http://www.kptv.com/news/26983763/detail.html)

Somehow the date on this article seems off.  Maybe it was an updated article.




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Scandi on April 01, 2011, 09:34:32 PM
Sorry I screwed up that post.  ::MonkeyNoNo::    It was in response to Klass' post #581.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: KittyMom on April 04, 2011, 09:44:10 AM
Bless you, Kryon.  You aren't forgotten.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on April 04, 2011, 02:30:00 PM
Today marks 10 months that Kyron has been missing...



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: starwynn on April 04, 2011, 09:24:12 PM
Today marks 10 months that Kyron has been missing...

I know that they said that the things found out about the case are things we will wish we had never heard, but at this point the thought of all the possibilities of where Kyron might be have me really wanting to know what the he77 happened to that precious boy, and why it's taking so long to get things together and get something done.  I know there's a reason, I just sure wish I knew what it was.

Kyron, when will your justice come?  When can your mom have you near her again?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on April 06, 2011, 11:37:33 AM
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Kyron%20Horman%20%20-OR-/Photos%20of%20Kyron/Kyron_Horman_062510_059_2_540x405.jpg)

I love this photo of Kyron.  ::MonkeyAngel::

Would anyone like to comment on how Ubaldo Sanchez' and Javier Trejo' wives have the same surnames? Maria Guadalupe and Lucia Guadalupe.

The silence from MSM and Javier' family & friends, regarding his death, is deafening. These are the only comments I found about his death.There's something hinky going on. BTW, Steve is Javier' brother.


http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001053687449#!/profile.php?id=100001053687449&sk=wall (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001053687449#!/profile.php?id=100001053687449&sk=wall)

Guadalupe Roman
R.I.P javier trejo (creeper) you will always be remembered much love and respect for a real and true friend you will be missed
March 9 at 12:13pm via Mobile Web

   
Guadalupe Roman
R.I.P javier trejo (creeper) you will always be remembered much love and respect for a real and true friend you will be missed
March 9 at 12:12pm via Mobile Web キ View Feedback (4)Hide Feedback (4)

             o
            Elizabeth Marquez Lupe do you kno anything of what happened?
            March 9 at 12:37pm
          o
            Guadalupe Roman Yeah I was over at staves house yesterday before he left....
            March 9 at 12:55pm
          o
            Elizabeth Marquez Were did steve go?
            March 9 at 2:20pm
          o
            Guadalupe Roman I'll tell you what happened mija but hit me up on my phone aight if you  don't have it ill send it to you aight
            March 9 at 9:06pm


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Wyks on April 07, 2011, 12:00:54 PM
Bless you, Kryon.  You aren't forgotten.

Very true, KittyMom. 

Kyron .. always in our hearts.  ::MonkeyTears::



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on April 07, 2011, 03:54:19 PM
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Kyron%20Horman%20%20-OR-/Photos%20of%20Kyron/Kyron_Horman_062510_059_2_540x405.jpg)

I love this photo of Kyron.  ::MonkeyAngel::

Would anyone like to comment on how Ubaldo Sanchez' and Javier Trejo' wives have the same surnames? Maria Guadalupe and Lucia Guadalupe.

The silence from MSM and Javier' family & friends, regarding his death, is deafening. These are the only comments I found about his death.There's something hinky going on. BTW, Steve is Javier' brother.


http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001053687449#!/profile.php?id=100001053687449&sk=wall (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001053687449#!/profile.php?id=100001053687449&sk=wall)

Guadalupe Roman
R.I.P javier trejo (creeper) you will always be remembered much love and respect for a real and true friend you will be missed
March 9 at 12:13pm via Mobile Web

   
Guadalupe Roman
R.I.P javier trejo (creeper) you will always be remembered much love and respect for a real and true friend you will be missed
March 9 at 12:12pm via Mobile Web キ View Feedback (4)Hide Feedback (4)

             o
            Elizabeth Marquez Lupe do you kno anything of what happened?
            March 9 at 12:37pm
          o
            Guadalupe Roman Yeah I was over at staves house yesterday before he left....
            March 9 at 12:55pm
          o
            Elizabeth Marquez Were did steve go?
            March 9 at 2:20pm
          o
            Guadalupe Roman I'll tell you what happened mija but hit me up on my phone aight if you  don't have it ill send it to you aight
            March 9 at 9:06pm

Sassi - very interesting bit of info about Ubaldo and Javier's wives having the same surname: Guadalupe.

There are so many entwining details that this all "means something".  We just can't see it yet.  Sort of like not being able to see the forest for the trees kind of thing.

Steve - a brother - wonder where Steve went (Steve "left")...sounds like he left permanently -

Sassi - thanks again for all the wonderful sleuthing you do.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on April 07, 2011, 04:53:29 PM
Bless you, Kryon.  You aren't forgotten.

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on April 07, 2011, 05:05:41 PM
I am not sure I will ever come to terms with Kyron just going poof from his school and 10 months later he is still missing.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 07, 2011, 05:34:31 PM
I really believed that by now those responsible would be charged.  Kyron deserves justice.  It's just all too sad.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on April 07, 2011, 06:02:55 PM
I really believed that by now those responsible would be charged.  Kyron deserves justice.  It's just all too sad.

Yes it is sad, Klaas. I am very confused as to why no arrests or suspects have been named. By now, after months of investigation, they must know what happened that day. If it was Terri, she is freely living her life. I just cannot see that as being a reasonable thing.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: melisb on April 08, 2011, 01:50:48 AM
Wykssssss!!!  Glad to see you! 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: NewfieMonkey on April 08, 2011, 05:52:09 PM
I really believed that by now those responsible would be charged.  Kyron deserves justice.  It's just all too sad.
ITA.  I try to check in on Kyron's thread a couple times a week.  Hoping justice will be done and Kyron will be found.  Not giving up yet, but it certainly is disheartening.  I know who I think is responsible.  Yet, her life is seemingly continuing - while not unabated ... certainly more swimmingly than Kyron's ... or Kyron's parents' lives.  Karma ... she can be a beotch ... and sometimes she takes her time coming.  I continue to hope that when she comes ... she comes full gusto in this case!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Wyks on April 08, 2011, 09:26:24 PM
Wykssssss!!!  Glad to see you! 

Hi melisb, and thanks!   ::teddybear::

Had to walk away from all this sadness for awhile, it can get to be way too much at times.  My heart goes out to those with missing loved ones, who can't take a break from it all, I would imagine.  Sometimes I just wish there was something more meaningful that we could do.  Ya know? 

I want justice for Kyron, we all do.  It's frustrating to see the wheels of justice turning so slowly.  Doesn't seem fair at all.  For him and those who love him. 



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on April 09, 2011, 08:54:55 AM
Wykssssss!!!  Glad to see you! 

Hi melisb, and thanks!   ::teddybear::

Had to walk away from all this sadness for awhile, it can get to be way too much at times.  My heart goes out to those with missing loved ones, who can't take a break from it all, I would imagine.  Sometimes I just wish there was something more meaningful that we could do.  Ya know? 

I want justice for Kyron, we all do.  It's frustrating to see the wheels of justice turning so slowly.  Doesn't seem fair at all.  For him and those who love him. 



Wyks! I've missed you very much!  ::MonkeyKiss::  ::MonkeyAngel::

I think we all want justice for Kyron. There is something magical about him. One of his FB support pages, has almost 87,000 people on it. That is a lot of people. That sweet little face has captured the world with his smile.

I understand some of your frustrations because I too go through them. Lately it has been more often than not, but I can't give up until Kyron is home and the person(s) responsible are brought to justice. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: melisb on April 09, 2011, 10:00:58 AM
You are very welcome Wyks and you always know you are missed by us all.  Most of us do understand how heavy these cases weigh on your heart and it becomes to much to handle.  It's ok!  I'm one of those who needs to at least click on his name several times a day just waiting for anyone to post something.  Just makes me feel a little better, yep I'm a little weird.  I feel like all our missing/deceased on this board have become a part of our lives almost like family.  Gotta go to work, see y'all later!  Have a wonderful day!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on April 09, 2011, 05:41:17 PM
You are very welcome Wyks and you always know you are missed by us all.  Most of us do understand how heavy these cases weigh on your heart and it becomes to much to handle.  It's ok!  I'm one of those who needs to at least click on his name several times a day just waiting for anyone to post something.  Just makes me feel a little better, yep I'm a little weird.  I feel like all our missing/deceased on this board have become a part of our lives almost like family.  Gotta go to work, see y'all later!  Have a wonderful day!

Wyks! So good to see your posts...you've been missed.

I'm like melissb, I have to check out Kyron's tread a couple of times each day...it's sad that his tread has almost stopped....I keep hoping one day to see I'm behind several pages, but that will mean there's been a break in the case. 



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on April 09, 2011, 11:04:28 PM
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2011/04/lincolnd_city_welcomes_officer_steven_dodds_after_january_shooting.html


Lincoln City welcomes home Officer Steven Dodds after January shooting



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Wyks on April 11, 2011, 05:21:24 PM
Awwww... thanks Sassi, melisb, and Puzzler!   ::MonkeyKiss::  I've missed you guys and everyone else too.  I didn't intend to come back, but... I couldn't stay away either. 

There's just something about these folks who go missing, we who have tried to understand each case, tried to help in our own ways, it all just touches our hearts so much.  Hard not to see the case thru to the end. 

Sassi, it's very true, Kyron smile has reached out across America and beyond, touched so many lives, and as you say, captured the world.  I want so badly for him to be brought home to those who love him. 

Melisb, I do understand the need to check in everyday, if not several times a day.  There have been times I wish I could crawl thru the monitor and into the war room of LE/FBI to see what the heck is going on with some of these cases!  I'd like to think they are working feverishly behind the scenes, just not letting info out, rather than what it seems, that each of these cases are going cold.  Either for the lack of info/leads, or for not having enough evidence to nail the perp/s down.  It's so frustrating, not hearing. 

Puzzler, I agree, it's sad when the posting gets far and few between.  Not sure what's worse, pages flying by with too much for this old brain to digest, or several months worth of posts on one page.  Sigh.  Here's hoping this case will pick up soon enough, so we'll have something to sink our teeth into.  And lol, I've thought too if I'm behind in reading that will be when there's a big break in a case!  There's a good reason to stay caught up, eh?  lol 

Hope everyone is having a great day!   ::monkeywine2:: 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: KittyMom on April 12, 2011, 09:16:47 AM
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/04/kyron_hormans_father_kaine_hor.html
Kyron Horman's father Kaine Horman will staff booths at Expo Center events in North Portland
Quote
Kaine Horman will have fliers and other items on hand, such as T-shirts, buttons, bracelets, dog tags and key chains, at Portland's Largest Garage Sale on Saturday and at KidFest on Saturday and Sunday. He'll also take donations for the Kyron Horman Foundation, but he said his main purpose is to spread the word about his son -- not collect money. 



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Brandi on April 13, 2011, 03:48:07 PM
Finding Kyron
Efforts continue in search for missing boy after ten months


http://www.psuvanguard.com/opinion/finding-kyron-1.2539360

It's been nearly a year since the disappearance of Kyron Horman. The FBI has been brought in to help determine what might have happened. Volunteer crews still search any places he might have ended up.

Over one million dollars have been spent looking for him. And even so, there is no fresh news. A more cynical person might throw their hands up and abandon the search.

But even after ten months, Portland won't. And that is going to make all the difference.

<snipped>


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: can on April 14, 2011, 06:27:41 AM
 ::FlyingFrog:: ::FlyingFrog:: ::FlyingFrog:: ::FlyingFrog:: ::FlyingFrog:: ::FlyingFrog:: ::FlyingFrog:: ::FlyingFrog:: ::FlyingFrog:: ::FlyingFrog:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyHeart::  for Kyron.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: seahorse on April 14, 2011, 06:36:05 AM
Wykssssss!!!  Glad to see you! 

Hi melisb, and thanks!   ::teddybear::

Had to walk away from all this sadness for awhile, it can get to be way too much at times.  My heart goes out to those with missing loved ones, who can't take a break from it all, I would imagine.  Sometimes I just wish there was something more meaningful that we could do.  Ya know? 

I want justice for Kyron, we all do.  It's frustrating to see the wheels of justice turning so slowly.  Doesn't seem fair at all.  For him and those who love him. 



Wyks! I've missed you very much!  ::MonkeyKiss::  ::MonkeyAngel::

I think we all want justice for Kyron. There is something magical about him. One of his FB support pages, has almost 87,000 people on it. That is a lot of people. That sweet little face has captured the world with his smile.

I understand some of your frustrations because I too go through them. Lately it has been more often than not, but I can't give up until Kyron is home and the person(s) responsible are brought to justice. 

               ::HelloKitty:: Sassifrass & Monkey's,
Sassi your Avatar is very elegant.

I have a feeling Kyron will be found sooner or later, I have faith. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on April 14, 2011, 01:43:22 PM
Thank you seahorse! Brandi dressed my Isabella up.  ::MonkeyAngel::

So, starting this Saturday, for at least the next 10 days after, there isn't suppose to be any rain. Hopefully LE has planned to continue their searches then. The weeds and brush are starting to really kick in and I would hate to see that hamper their search.

Always thinking, searching, and praying for you sweet Kyron.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on April 14, 2011, 01:49:19 PM
http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/#comments


Oak Hills man arrested, accused of amassing huge cache of digital child pornography

http://www.oregonlive.com/washingtoncounty/index.ssf/2011/04/police_arrest_oak_hills_man_wi.html


(snip) Detectives from the Interagency Child Exploitation Team arrested Timothy Dale Bach on Tuesday afternoon in the Cornell Woods Apartments in the 14600-block of NW Cornell Road. The Washington County Sheriff痴 Office, along with members from the Clackamas County Sheriff痴 Office, Multnomah County Sheriff痴 Office, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, and the Oregon Department of Justice work together to protect children. It痴 called the Interagency Child Exploitation Prevention Team, or INTERCEPT. (snip)

(SNIPPED)

Thanks for posting Riverpearl, wth?
B



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on April 14, 2011, 01:51:17 PM

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-82/#comments


neighbor says:
April 13, 2011 at 2:00 pm
constance said 鏑ast time we heard from Staton when he mentioned sex offenders, they were still working on clearing them at all. The fact that they can say this guy wasn稚 in Portland does not mean they have cleared everyone else. Also, it is strange that Kyron was mentioned with regards to this latest RSOkind of says they are still considering a stranger abduction, or else why even mention Kyron??


As usual MOO .. lately, I have come to the conclusion that TH did not make Ky disappear. At least not directly. Maybe she heard about it in the late morning triggering her erratic behavior of driving around. The few known facts just don稚 add up for me. 擢acts such as the hateful email and the sexting can easily be faked.

As a parent, that leaves me with a much more scary scenario. That of a skillful sex offender known and trusted by Kyron.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on April 15, 2011, 09:45:08 AM
At this point in the case, 10 months, how are opinions of TH changing? Some have said, because of the facts that have come to light, they are starting to feel TH may not have been involved in Kyrons disappearance.

My response would be, the facts brought to light from LE, have not changed. The statements brought forward from LE have remained the same. What have they stated publicly?

A. Kyron going missing is an isolated case.
B. Kyrons case went from missing to a criminal investigation.
C. LE passed out fliers with TH's face and truck on them.
D. LE added DDS to the posters.
E. LE produced a list of 490 people, including minor children, excluding Skyline students, that were at the school the day of the SF.
F. http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/09/16/kyron-horman-case-sheriff-staton-announces-task-force/  (http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/09/16/kyron-horman-case-sheriff-staton-announces-task-force/)

During a presser, the last one I believe, Staton made several comments. A few of them being:

 "a lot of the things we looked at or suspected we no longer look at, we no longer suspect them."

When Staton was asked if people would be shocked by what has been found out he responded: " I think there are things that come out of this investigation that will surprise you, that you値l think about later on when it痴 over. <snip> " we have a knowledge of things we don稚 want to know aboutAnd that痴 the only way I can answer thatWe have a knowledge of things we wish we didn稚."
______________________________________
So, with above stated to date by LE, what has made some people/posters, change their viewpoint? Is it from rumors flying around the web or the neighborhood? Is it because of the emotional based statements made by KH and DY? Is it the lack of reporting by the MSM regarding follow-ups of people that have either been murdered and dumped on the side of the road in the same grid area that their searching for Kyron, and the lack of reporting by the MSM regarding a cop killer that lived in the same grid area as the Kyron search? How are they added to the mix, and how can they be a part of the mix?  Should they be a part of the mix?

What changes our opinions of 'being on the fence' to 'being off the fence', when no new facts have been released by LE?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: monchichi on April 15, 2011, 07:24:33 PM
New video on Katu.com today:

http://northportland.katu.com/news/news/kaine-horman-will-be-expo-weekend/439808

<snipped from above>Kyron disappeared from Portland's Skyline School on June 4, 2010. His stepmother, Terri Horman, has not been named a person of interest or suspect in the case but she has been the focus of the investigation. She is believed to be living in Roseburg with her parents. Kaine still believes she knows something and says that everything he has learned in <end>

What I find interesting is that the sentence at the end of my snippet isn't finished.  It could just be a typo, but it seems to me like something could have been cut out of the article.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: monchichi on April 15, 2011, 07:26:17 PM
http://northportland.katu.com/news/news/kaine-horman-will-be-expo-weekend/439808


I also think it's weird that in this article they say TMH is "believed to be living in Roseburg."


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: monchichi on April 15, 2011, 07:54:39 PM
http://www.nwcn.com/home/?fId=119705619&fPath=/news/local&fDomain=10202

<snipped>
Kyron Horman vanished from Skyline Elementary School on June 4, 2010. No arrests have been made in the case but police have named his stepmother, Terri Moulton Horman as the main focus of the investigation.

Kaine said he believed that Terri had information in the case she was not disclosing.

<end snip>

And why does NWCN say Terri has been named by police as the main focus, is that different than calling her a POI?  Katu, in my previous post, has said she has not been named a POI.
Edit to fix posting error, per monchichi's request.  MB


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on April 16, 2011, 08:34:27 PM
Oh gosh Sass what a question you pose. My opinion has changed so much over the past 10 months back and forth, terri did it, terri didn't do it, we don't know who did it.... Do I feel Terri is responsible? I think Desiree really does believe this but what I don't know and how could I really, is does she believe Terri is responsible because of a past relationship with Terri which has made her suspect Terri or is it because the proof really does point to her. At this point and time, without LE updating the case I am not sure if the statements they have once made would still be accurate today.

I just wish they would find him, either way just find him and bring him home. We may never find out who took him, why and what happened to him that day, but not finding him seems like the worse of all outcomes. I think of Kyron every day. Everyday I wonder where he is, is he alive? Is he gone and burried in some lonely spot, all alone on some dark mountain side? It literally sends my stomach turn and makes my heart beat faster. So many people need closure, not to the same extent as Kyrons loved ones obviously, but I know all of us who have been on this thread now for months and months, all need closure and I think that is ok to say.
Do we know if they are searching still on weekends? Is the weather is getting better? Is the snow melting in the mountainous area's? Have they ever found DAD? What happened to him? What about the people they found dead, are they related? What happened to the one woman and her 2 kids, have they been found or do they know where they went? So many, many questions, much more then I can write on this board.


 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: monchichi on April 16, 2011, 09:01:35 PM
Mods, could someone please correct my previous post?  I just noticed I said KGW but the link is to NWCN.  Thank you!

Done.  YW  MB


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: monchichi on April 16, 2011, 09:02:35 PM
TG~

Kaine said searches will continue on and off in the coming months.

http://www.nwcn.com/home/?fId=119705619&fPath=/news/local&fDomain=10202


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: monchichi on April 16, 2011, 10:10:22 PM
Staton makes a comment on the investigation in this new video on Katu:

http://www.katu.com/news/local/119984164.html?tab=video

He says something about they are tracking emails and phone calls and following where those emails/calls went and searching there?  Eliminating emails/phone calls that are irrelevant...


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on April 16, 2011, 11:18:00 PM
Kyron's father keeps his son's case alive:

http://www.katu.com/news/local/119984164.html



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on April 17, 2011, 02:08:10 PM
Kyron's father keeps his son's case alive:

http://www.katu.com/news/local/119984164.html



From the above link: This is good news. Use those resources Staton!   ::MonkeyCheer4::

 ::snipping2::

Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton stopped by the booth to talk about the investigation. He said investigators are now getting help from the Oregon Attorney General痴 office.
 
Investigators who specialize in tracking data are sifting through mountains of information from emails, phone calls and text messages looking for anything that might be tied to Kyron痴 disappearance.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on April 17, 2011, 02:11:26 PM
Oh gosh Sass what a question you pose. My opinion has changed so much over the past 10 months back and forth, terri did it, terri didn't do it, we don't know who did it.... Do I feel Terri is responsible? I think Desiree really does believe this but what I don't know and how could I really, is does she believe Terri is responsible because of a past relationship with Terri which has made her suspect Terri or is it because the proof really does point to her. At this point and time, without LE updating the case I am not sure if the statements they have once made would still be accurate today.

I just wish they would find him, either way just find him and bring him home. We may never find out who took him, why and what happened to him that day, but not finding him seems like the worse of all outcomes. I think of Kyron every day. Everyday I wonder where he is, is he alive? Is he gone and burried in some lonely spot, all alone on some dark mountain side? It literally sends my stomach turn and makes my heart beat faster. So many people need closure, not to the same extent as Kyrons loved ones obviously, but I know all of us who have been on this thread now for months and months, all need closure and I think that is ok to say.
Do we know if they are searching still on weekends? Is the weather is getting better? Is the snow melting in the mountainous area's? Have they ever found DAD? What happened to him? What about the people they found dead, are they related? What happened to the one woman and her 2 kids, have they been found or do they know where they went? So many, many questions, much more then I can write on this board.


 

BBM

I agree TG. I think when this is all over, we're going to see just how those dots connected.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on April 17, 2011, 02:30:53 PM
Somebody has been a bad boy. Avery is not suppose to be traveling out of state while on probation.

From his aunts FB page, who lives in Idaho.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000645197805&v=wall&ref=search#!/profile.php?id=100000145699195&sk=wall (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000645197805&v=wall&ref=search#!/profile.php?id=100000145699195&sk=wall)

visit from Avery and Breanna and XXXXX on March 24th  Edit to fix date.  MB

__________________________________________________
One of her photo's posted:

Is that a white truck I see in front of her house?

(http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/197857_213662801981908_100000145699195_942680_5991759_s.jpg)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on April 17, 2011, 02:38:14 PM
Somebody has been a bad boy. Avery is not suppose to be traveling out of state while on probation.

From his aunts FB page, who lives in Idaho.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000645197805&v=wall&ref=search#!/profile.php?id=100000145699195&sk=wall (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000645197805&v=wall&ref=search#!/profile.php?id=100000145699195&sk=wall)

visit from Avery and Breanna and XXXXX on March 24

__________________________________________________
One of her photo's posted:

Is that a white truck I see in front of her house?

(http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/197857_213662801981908_100000145699195_942680_5991759_s.jpg)

Oops! Self edit to correct date to March 24. Sorry.  Fixed.  MB


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on April 17, 2011, 11:04:53 PM
Somebody has been a bad boy. Avery is not suppose to be traveling out of state while on probation.

From his aunts FB page, who lives in Idaho.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000645197805&v=wall&ref=search#!/profile.php?id=100000145699195&sk=wall (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000645197805&v=wall&ref=search#!/profile.php?id=100000145699195&sk=wall)

visit from Avery and Breanna and XXXXX on March 24

__________________________________________________
One of her photo's posted:

Is that a white truck I see in front of her house?

(http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/197857_213662801981908_100000145699195_942680_5991759_s.jpg)

Oops! Self edit to correct date to March 24. Sorry.  Fixed.  MB

Oh, my goodness....pictures will get you in trouble!  Yes, it does appear to be a white truck!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on April 17, 2011, 11:08:30 PM
Kyron's father keeps his son's case alive:

http://www.katu.com/news/local/119984164.html



From the above link: This is good news. Use those resources Staton!   ::MonkeyCheer4::

 ::snipping2::

Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton stopped by the booth to talk about the investigation. He said investigators are now getting help from the Oregon Attorney General痴 office.
 
Investigators who specialize in tracking data are sifting through mountains of information from emails, phone calls and text messages looking for anything that might be tied to Kyron痴 disappearance.

 ::snipping2::

 
http://www.doj.state.or.us/divisions/cr ... ndex.shtml

"According to the site, they have a special focus on organized crime."


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on April 17, 2011, 11:17:04 PM
Oh gosh Sass what a question you pose. My opinion has changed so much over the past 10 months back and forth, terri did it, terri didn't do it, we don't know who did it.... Do I feel Terri is responsible? I think Desiree really does believe this but what I don't know and how could I really, is does she believe Terri is responsible because of a past relationship with Terri which has made her suspect Terri or is it because the proof really does point to her. At this point and time, without LE updating the case I am not sure if the statements they have once made would still be accurate today.

I just wish they would find him, either way just find him and bring him home. We may never find out who took him, why and what happened to him that day, but not finding him seems like the worse of all outcomes. I think of Kyron every day. Everyday I wonder where he is, is he alive? Is he gone and burried in some lonely spot, all alone on some dark mountain side? It literally sends my stomach turn and makes my heart beat faster. So many people need closure, not to the same extent as Kyrons loved ones obviously, but I know all of us who have been on this thread now for months and months, all need closure and I think that is ok to say.
Do we know if they are searching still on weekends? Is the weather is getting better? Is the snow melting in the mountainous area's? Have they ever found DAD? What happened to him? What about the people they found dead, are they related? What happened to the one woman and her 2 kids, have they been found or do they know where they went? So many, many questions, much more then I can write on this board.


 

TG - agree - just wish they'd find Kyron and bring him home.

There are many things going on that we've not heard the ending to:  Kyron missing, DAD missing, the woman and 2 kids, the woman that went missing in the general area that DAD went missing, the dead body found in line with the school and the search sites, Javier, how did he die, etc.

Whether these are dots with any relationship to Kyron or not is something we don't know at this time.  They're all curious, though, and I hope we soon learn the ending to some of these items.





Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on April 18, 2011, 12:47:20 AM
Look at these links belowMultnomah County.add it to the fact that Staton said this weekend that the Oregon State Attorney is involved in Kyron痴 case. We know that the Oregon State Attorney痴 office has a special focus on drug cartels and organized crime.  This may be a stretch, but I知 wondering if this in any way is a result of some of the findings that have come from the experts that Multnomah county hired and the 6 FBI special agents?  Could this have anything to do with Staton saying that in investigating the Kyron case, we found other things that needed investigating?


Police Arrest Suspected Heroin Suppliers(snip) 

Police say the men are mid-level heroin suppliers whose drugs have killed at least two people. Portland is seeing an epidemic of heroin overdose deaths, a Multnomah County prosecutor says  (snip)

http://www.kptv.com/news/27567255/detail.html


Post from Blink on Crime:

1.   Kimberly says:
April 16, 2011 at 12:40 pm

Early this morning I was watching FOX 12 news. They had a snippet of an arrest/arrests that have been made in which FOX 12 reported was due to heroin dealing and that they believed those arrested to be part of a mexican drug cartel.

First let me say, the news did not say which suburb they arrested these 2 (that they showed) in, However; they did show cop cars with a particular city listed on them that is, more than a little close to home, more like alot! pretty damn scary.

I went to the FOX12 website to find the story to link it, but it痴 not on their website, may be later, IDK, but, what I did find was this story,published on the same day that these arrests were made.
*********************

Contract killings are 屠obs, kidnap-murders are 菟ickups, and 都ettling of accounts means drug-dealer killings by rival gangs.
http://www.kptv.com/news/27541409/detail.html

here is one of them that they arrested,
http://pdxmugshots.com/mug/usbaldo-perezlemus






Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on April 18, 2011, 08:51:51 AM
Thank you for the link puzzler. This is an overall description of what the OAGO's roll is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_Attorney_General (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_Attorney_General)

The Attorney General represents the state of Oregon in all court actions and other legal proceedings in which it is a party or has an interest. They also conduct all legal business of state departments, boards and commissions that require legal counsel. Ballot titles for measures in Oregon elections are written by the Attorney General, who also and appoints the assistant attorneys general who serve as counsel to the various state departments, boards and commissions.[2]

The Attorney General provides written opinions upon any question of law in which any government entity within the state may have an interest when requested by the governor, any state agency official or any member of the legislature, but is prohibited by law from rendering opinions or giving legal advice to any other persons or agencies.[2]

 ::snipping2::

and this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Attorney_General (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Attorney_General)

The state attorney general in each of the 50 U.S. states and territories is the chief legal advisor to the state government and the state's chief law enforcement officer. In some states, the attorney general serves as the head of a state department of justice, with responsibilities similar to those of the United States Department of Justice.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on April 19, 2011, 01:35:08 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0W9TXJhps0&feature=youtu.be

I just listened to this video (Kaine says "it's been about 3 months") and there's something on there I never picked up on before.  The video is over 13 minutes long and close to the very end the reporter asks Kaine if Kyron's exhibit was returned and he said know that LE kept it as evidence.  The reporter then asks what about Kyron's coat and backpack, did they get make it back home?  Kaine said: uhm..when we picked them up at the school.

In other words, LE didn't keep the jacket and backpack as evidence....why not?!?  IMO, the coat and backpack are just as important as the exhibit.  Did LE not know about the items, or overlook these items?



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on April 19, 2011, 08:34:31 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0W9TXJhps0&feature=youtu.be

I just listened to this video (Kaine says "it's been about 3 months") and there's something on there I never picked up on before.  The video is over 13 minutes long and close to the very end the reporter asks Kaine if Kyron's exhibit was returned and he said know that LE kept it as evidence.  The reporter then asks what about Kyron's coat and backpack, did they get make it back home?  Kaine said: uhm..when we picked them up at the school.

In other words, LE didn't keep the jacket and backpack as evidence....why not?!?  IMO, the coat and backpack are just as important as the exhibit.  Did LE not know about the items, or overlook these items?



ITA with you puzzler. I remember Kaine making that statement, and I thought it was odd that LE didn't take his coat and backpack as evidence. You would think that EVERYTHING that was left behind, that belonged to Kyron, would have been seized. Also, what kind of evidence are they looking for with his SF project? Fingerprints?

The fact that he left his coat and backpack in the classroom that day, tells me that Kyron didn't know that he was permanently leaving the school that day.

Another thought I had was, and this keeps gnawing at me, how he went poof without anyone noticing him. Since Skyline was a K-8 school, is it possible that the person with Kyron, outside the school, looked like a student, so it wouldn't seem odd or off if he was with another, presumable, student? I think you know where I'm going with this.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: melisb on April 19, 2011, 09:23:16 AM
Somebody has been a bad boy. Avery is not suppose to be traveling out of state while on probation.

From his aunts FB page, who lives in Idaho.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000645197805&v=wall&ref=search#!/profile.php?id=100000145699195&sk=wall (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000645197805&v=wall&ref=search#!/profile.php?id=100000145699195&sk=wall)

visit from Avery and Breanna and XXXXX on March 24

__________________________________________________
One of her photo's posted:

Is that a white truck I see in front of her house?

(http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/197857_213662801981908_100000145699195_942680_5991759_s.jpg)

Oops! Self edit to correct date to March 24. Sorry.  Fixed.  MB

Oh, my goodness....pictures will get you in trouble!  Yes, it does appear to be a white truck!



Would be very nice if it was a violation and could be picked up and held on that and maybe a few questions asked?  But, the thing I wanted to bring up is that it is entirely possible he requested a travel permit and his prob/paro officer granted him the time with the aunt.  As long as they are not a flee danger or just have a hateful PO and the aunt is agreeable to the visit then it's not hard for them to travel anywhere.  My best friend daughter just left the FL prob/paro system as an officer so I usually pick her brain on things like this.  I doubt that anyone on prob/paro would allow their pic to be taken and tagged if they didn't want to be seen.  Dunno, most of the time I'm wrong so I may be wrong here.  Would not surprise me if he did go w/o permission.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on April 19, 2011, 09:47:48 AM
Somebody has been a bad boy. Avery is not suppose to be traveling out of state while on probation.

From his aunts FB page, who lives in Idaho.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000645197805&v=wall&ref=search#!/profile.php?id=100000145699195&sk=wall (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000645197805&v=wall&ref=search#!/profile.php?id=100000145699195&sk=wall)

visit from Avery and Breanna and XXXXX on March 24

__________________________________________________
One of her photo's posted:

Is that a white truck I see in front of her house?

(http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/197857_213662801981908_100000145699195_942680_5991759_s.jpg)

Oops! Self edit to correct date to March 24. Sorry.  Fixed.  MB

Oh, my goodness....pictures will get you in trouble!  Yes, it does appear to be a white truck!



Would be very nice if it was a violation and could be picked up and held on that and maybe a few questions asked?  But, the thing I wanted to bring up is that it is entirely possible he requested a travel permit and his prob/paro officer granted him the time with the aunt.  As long as they are not a flee danger or just have a hateful PO and the aunt is agreeable to the visit then it's not hard for them to travel anywhere.  My best friend daughter just left the FL prob/paro system as an officer so I usually pick her brain on things like this.  I doubt that anyone on prob/paro would allow their pic to be taken and tagged if they didn't want to be seen.  Dunno, most of the time I'm wrong so I may be wrong here.  Would not surprise me if he did go w/o permission.

Hi melisb! Here is the answer to your question:  ::MonkeyWink::

https://www.vinelink.com/vinelink/detailsAction.do?siteId=38000&agency=900&id=16526136&searchType=offender (https://www.vinelink.com/vinelink/detailsAction.do?siteId=38000&agency=900&id=16526136&searchType=offender)

Offender Name: AVERY DEAN VILLARREAL
Offender ID:
16526136
Date of Birth:
01/15/1988
Age:
23
Race:
White
Gender:
Male
 
Custody Status:
Community Supervision
Date:
12/09/2010
Reason:
Community Supervision - Abscond
 
Scheduled Release Date:
11/11/2012

http://arcweb.sos.state.or.us/rules/OARS_200/OAR_255/255_005.html (http://arcweb.sos.state.or.us/rules/OARS_200/OAR_255/255_005.html)

Definitions

(1) "Abscond": Unauthorized absence from parole or post-prison supervision.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on April 19, 2011, 03:44:34 PM
Has the state of Idaho come up prior to this? I seem to recall another connection to that state.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on April 19, 2011, 06:17:25 PM
Has the state of Idaho come up prior to this? I seem to recall another connection to that state.



Was Idaho where DAD's brother took some of his pictures (a famous cave maybe)?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on April 19, 2011, 06:18:13 PM
Somebody has been a bad boy. Avery is not suppose to be traveling out of state while on probation.

From his aunts FB page, who lives in Idaho.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000645197805&v=wall&ref=search#!/profile.php?id=100000145699195&sk=wall (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000645197805&v=wall&ref=search#!/profile.php?id=100000145699195&sk=wall)

visit from Avery and Breanna and XXXXX on March 24

__________________________________________________
One of her photo's posted:

Is that a white truck I see in front of her house?

(http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/197857_213662801981908_100000145699195_942680_5991759_s.jpg)

Oops! Self edit to correct date to March 24. Sorry.  Fixed.  MB

Oh, my goodness....pictures will get you in trouble!  Yes, it does appear to be a white truck!



Would be very nice if it was a violation and could be picked up and held on that and maybe a few questions asked?  But, the thing I wanted to bring up is that it is entirely possible he requested a travel permit and his prob/paro officer granted him the time with the aunt.  As long as they are not a flee danger or just have a hateful PO and the aunt is agreeable to the visit then it's not hard for them to travel anywhere.  My best friend daughter just left the FL prob/paro system as an officer so I usually pick her brain on things like this.  I doubt that anyone on prob/paro would allow their pic to be taken and tagged if they didn't want to be seen.  Dunno, most of the time I'm wrong so I may be wrong here.  Would not surprise me if he did go w/o permission.

Hi melisb! Here is the answer to your question:  ::MonkeyWink::

https://www.vinelink.com/vinelink/detailsAction.do?siteId=38000&agency=900&id=16526136&searchType=offender (https://www.vinelink.com/vinelink/detailsAction.do?siteId=38000&agency=900&id=16526136&searchType=offender)

Offender Name: AVERY DEAN VILLARREAL
Offender ID:
16526136
Date of Birth:
01/15/1988
Age:
23
Race:
White
Gender:
Male
 
Custody Status:
Community Supervision
Date:
12/09/2010
Reason:
Community Supervision - Abscond
 
Scheduled Release Date:
11/11/2012

http://arcweb.sos.state.or.us/rules/OARS_200/OAR_255/255_005.html (http://arcweb.sos.state.or.us/rules/OARS_200/OAR_255/255_005.html)

Definitions

(1) "Abscond": Unauthorized absence from parole or post-prison supervision.

Not good.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on April 19, 2011, 07:51:16 PM
Has the state of Idaho come up prior to this? I seem to recall another connection to that state.



Was Idaho where DAD's brother took some of his pictures (a famous cave maybe)?

Perhaps that is what it was. I recall looking at some pics


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: melisb on April 19, 2011, 11:02:34 PM
Thanks Sass!  Well now, if that photo is recent you gotta hate being stupid enough to get in the way of a camera!  I'm sure where he was visiting knew he was on probation so she had to know what she was doing putting the pic there.  Maybe it's a hint, hint, wink, wink for LE to find there way to nab him without her actually making the call.  Who knows with people like that.  If tied into Kyron's case then please Lord let him get pick up and add some more offenses to it and threaten him with a long sentence and see if any info drips out of his pea brain! 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on April 20, 2011, 10:00:34 AM
http://www.kptv.com/news/27606932/detail.html (http://www.kptv.com/news/27606932/detail.html)

Hearing Set For Kaine, Terri Horman

POSTED: 10:16 pm PDT April 19, 2011
UPDATED: 11:15 pm PDT April 19, 2011

PORTLAND, Ore. -- A hearing is scheduled for Wednesday in the case involving Kyron Horman痴 father and stepmother.

Their hearing is planned in the judge痴 chambers starting at 9 a.m. It痴 unknown if Kaine Horman and his estranged wife, Terri Horman, will be there in person or if it will just involve their attorneys.

 ::snipping2::



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Gypsy DD on April 20, 2011, 10:43:59 AM
I really believed that by now those responsible would be charged.  Kyron deserves justice.  It's just all too sad.
ITA.  I try to check in on Kyron's thread a couple times a week.  Hoping justice will be done and Kyron will be found.  Not giving up yet, but it certainly is disheartening.  I know who I think is responsible.  Yet, her life is seemingly continuing - while not unabated ... certainly more swimmingly than Kyron's ... or Kyron's parents' lives.  Karma ... she can be a beotch ... and sometimes she takes her time coming.  I continue to hope that when she comes ... she comes full gusto in this case!

 ::rhino::  Well stated Newfie...Karma is an unforgiving, relentless beotch and when she makes her appearance in this case, along side Lady Justice, the darkness will lift and someone is going into the abyss..in my opinion.  That red hair is going to look good going up in flames. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Gypsy DD on April 20, 2011, 11:38:58 AM
It has been so much time and yet I have never changed my opinion of who is involved in this case and who set the wheels into motion to have Kyron gone from her life and Kaine's life.  To me logic dictates that we look at the original facts surrounding this case and this family. 

Terri hated Kaine enough to try to put out a contract on his life in November of 2009.  We know this, and we know who she contacted at one time for that service. We also know she was having an affair with that person.
We don't know if after that was unsuccessful if she tried to contract his murder through someone else.

Terri hated Kyron so much she put it in writing to a friend.  That friend either came forward to LE or LE found out about this on their own through tracing Terri's emails and correspondence.  We know Desiree has been aware of this fact for several months now, as has Kaine. 

We know Desiree thinks without a doubt that Terri did this..and has since almost day one.  We know that per both Desire and Tony , Terri's behavior was so off the charts in the way she responded to this disappearance that it immediately set off their instincts while staying at the Horman residence in the early days of the investigation.  We know it became so strained for both Desiree and Tony to remain in that residence with Terri that they moved out.

We know that LE was zoning in on Terri and found her reactions and behavior bizarre enough to warn Kaine to leave the premises with their toddler daughter. 

We know Terri made some very erratic movements on the day Kyron disappeared and cannot reasonably account for her whereabouts and time to coincide with video footage and eyewitness details of seeing her that day.  If she is innocent ..why the heck lie?  We know she was unable to pass a lie detector test and we know that she walked out of another when the landscape lover and hit information was presented to her.

I know in my gut Terri is responsible for Kyron's disappearance, just as Desiree says.  I know she may not have taken him from the school..but I believe she knows who or what organization or group did.  I know she dabbled in the darkness of trying to put out a contract on her husbands life.

I know it isn't a stretch to believe that when she didn't succeed in taking Kaine out that the next best thing was taking Kyron out.  We know she had already removed her blood son from the home in January of 2010, unknown to Kaine while he was on a business trip.  We know she took a very downhill approach to her appearance and conduct..through pics we have seen ..in the months drawing up to June4.  She was not looking too good..bloated and unkept.  Something was eating away at this woman.

Sorry..although this all is circumstantial it reads to me like Occam's Razor..the most logical solution and the easiest route leads back to Terri over and over again.  It will take a mountain of real evidence pointing to another person with no ties to Terri to convince me she did not participate in this disappearance of Kyron.  She had a hand in this and that is why she refuses to clear herself by speaking the truth, the whole truth.  As always JMHO.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on April 20, 2011, 02:33:50 PM
This family is falling apart.  ::MonkeyNoNo:: Looks like she lost a lot of weight.


http://www.mcso.us/PAID/BookingDetail.aspx?ID=Yor7XcvyB90MzBDQp2iRLg== (http://www.mcso.us/PAID/BookingDetail.aspx?ID=Yor7XcvyB90MzBDQp2iRLg==)

SWIS ID:    754872
Name:    Holm, Kimberly Ann
Age:    50
Gender:    Female
Race:    White
Height:    5 ft 4 in
Weight:    127 lbs
Hair:    Brown
Eyes:    Blue
Arresting Agency:    Portland Criminal Court
Arrest Date:    4/14/2011 2:10 PM
Booking Date:    4/14/2011 4:54 PM
Current Status:    Released
Assigned Facility:    PERM
Projected Release Date:    4/15/2011
Release Date:    4/15/2011
Release Reason:    Time Served on a Sentence
Court Case No.    101152725    DA Case No.    None    Citation No.    None
Charge   Bail   Status
DUII (A Misdemeanor)   $0   Sentenced

(http://www.mcso.us/PAID/ImageHandler.axd?mid=Yor7XcvyB90MzBDQp2iRLg==&size=F)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Gypsy DD on April 20, 2011, 03:21:32 PM
This family is falling apart.  ::MonkeyNoNo:: Looks like she lost a lot of weight.


http://www.mcso.us/PAID/BookingDetail.aspx?ID=Yor7XcvyB90MzBDQp2iRLg== (http://www.mcso.us/PAID/BookingDetail.aspx?ID=Yor7XcvyB90MzBDQp2iRLg==)

SWIS ID:    754872
Name:    Holm, Kimberly Ann
Age:    50
Gender:    Female
Race:    White
Height:    5 ft 4 in
Weight:    127 lbs
Hair:    Brown
Eyes:    Blue
Arresting Agency:    Portland Criminal Court
Arrest Date:    4/14/2011 2:10 PM
Booking Date:    4/14/2011 4:54 PM
Current Status:    Released
Assigned Facility:    PERM
Projected Release Date:    4/15/2011
Release Date:    4/15/2011
Release Reason:    Time Served on a Sentence
Court Case No.    101152725    DA Case No.    None    Citation No.    None
Charge   Bail   Status
DUII (A Misdemeanor)   $0   Sentenced

(http://www.mcso.us/PAID/ImageHandler.axd?mid=Yor7XcvyB90MzBDQp2iRLg==&size=F)


Wasn't she a soccer coach at Kyron's school?  I would hope that this is the end of that little sideline employment for her..she should not be around children period.  And in that picture did someone give her a slap in the face..looks like a cut or bruise right below her nose.  Hey Terri..nice pick of a friend for yourself and Kyron.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: monchichi on April 20, 2011, 03:33:07 PM
http://www.kptv.com/news/27606932/detail.html (http://www.kptv.com/news/27606932/detail.html)

Hearing Set For Kaine, Terri Horman

POSTED: 10:16 pm PDT April 19, 2011
UPDATED: 11:15 pm PDT April 19, 2011

PORTLAND, Ore. -- A hearing is scheduled for Wednesday in the case involving Kyron Horman痴 father and stepmother.

Their hearing is planned in the judge痴 chambers starting at 9 a.m. It痴 unknown if Kaine Horman and his estranged wife, Terri Horman, will be there in person or if it will just involve their attorneys.

 ::snipping2::



According to Bruce McCain, neither one is present now.  If they agreed to a 3 month continuance, why the hearing?  I sure hope Kaine isn't agreeing to any form of visitation.

<snipped>

BruceMcCain‎ Horman divorce lawyers in meeting with judge right now. No Terri or Kaine. Six weeks away from 1 year anniversary of Kyron's disappearance.
Twitter - 10559
2 hours ago

http://twitter.com/#!/BruceMcCain

<end snip>


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: monchichi on April 20, 2011, 03:35:34 PM
Wow, Kim Holm does look way different.  I'd love to see a side by side comparison of this picture and one from June of last year.  Thanks for sharing, Sassi.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on April 20, 2011, 04:22:51 PM
Wow, Kim Holm does look way different.  I'd love to see a side by side comparison of this picture and one from June of last year.  Thanks for sharing, Sassi.

I would like to see that too.

Klaas: This is a link to Kim's video interview. Could you do a screen capture of her, along with the booking photo please? Here is the link.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/98981009.html?tab=video

Thanks!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on April 20, 2011, 04:24:00 PM
http://www.kptv.com/news/27606932/detail.html (http://www.kptv.com/news/27606932/detail.html)

Hearing Set For Kaine, Terri Horman

POSTED: 10:16 pm PDT April 19, 2011
UPDATED: 11:15 pm PDT April 19, 2011

PORTLAND, Ore. -- A hearing is scheduled for Wednesday in the case involving Kyron Horman痴 father and stepmother.

Their hearing is planned in the judge痴 chambers starting at 9 a.m. It痴 unknown if Kaine Horman and his estranged wife, Terri Horman, will be there in person or if it will just involve their attorneys.

 ::snipping2::



According to Bruce McCain, neither one is present now.  If they agreed to a 3 month continuance, why the hearing?  I sure hope Kaine isn't agreeing to any form of visitation.

<snipped>

BruceMcCain‎ Horman divorce lawyers in meeting with judge right now. No Terri or Kaine. Six weeks away from 1 year anniversary of Kyron's disappearance.
Twitter - 10559
2 hours ago

http://twitter.com/#!/BruceMcCain

<end snip>


I agree monchichi. That sounds a bit odd to me.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on April 20, 2011, 04:31:51 PM
This family is falling apart.  ::MonkeyNoNo:: Looks like she lost a lot of weight.


http://www.mcso.us/PAID/BookingDetail.aspx?ID=Yor7XcvyB90MzBDQp2iRLg== (http://www.mcso.us/PAID/BookingDetail.aspx?ID=Yor7XcvyB90MzBDQp2iRLg==)

SWIS ID:    754872
Name:    Holm, Kimberly Ann
Age:    50
Gender:    Female
Race:    White
Height:    5 ft 4 in
Weight:    127 lbs
Hair:    Brown
Eyes:    Blue
Arresting Agency:    Portland Criminal Court
Arrest Date:    4/14/2011 2:10 PM
Booking Date:    4/14/2011 4:54 PM
Current Status:    Released
Assigned Facility:    PERM
Projected Release Date:    4/15/2011
Release Date:    4/15/2011
Release Reason:    Time Served on a Sentence
Court Case No.    101152725    DA Case No.    None    Citation No.    None
Charge   Bail   Status
DUII (A Misdemeanor)   $0   Sentenced

(http://www.mcso.us/PAID/ImageHandler.axd?mid=Yor7XcvyB90MzBDQp2iRLg==&size=F)


Wasn't she a soccer coach at Kyron's school?  I would hope that this is the end of that little sideline employment for her..she should not be around children period.  And in that picture did someone give her a slap in the face..looks like a cut or bruise right below her nose.  Hey Terri..nice pick of a friend for yourself and Kyron.

Yeah she is/was the soccer coach. She also, along with a man by the name of Rick Hansen, registered a non profit group called PORTLAND HIGH SCHOOL COED RECREATIONAL SOCCER CLUB.

http://egov.sos.state.or.us/br/pkg_web_name_srch_inq.show_detl?p_be_rsn=1363095&p_srce=BR_INQ&p_print=FALSE (http://egov.sos.state.or.us/br/pkg_web_name_srch_inq.show_detl?p_be_rsn=1363095&p_srce=BR_INQ&p_print=FALSE)

The strange thing about it is that they have a registered address in Scappoose, which is where the latest searches have been.

http://www.charityblossom.org/nonprofit/portland-high-school-coed-recreational-soccer-club-scappoose-or-97056-babette-heeftle-264139024/ (http://www.charityblossom.org/nonprofit/portland-high-school-coed-recreational-soccer-club-scappoose-or-97056-babette-heeftle-264139024/)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on April 20, 2011, 05:02:25 PM
Sass she does look different, that's interesting. I can tell you have had strong feelings about this person for a long time. She is the woman who's husband died in the motorcycle crash and who's son has young daughter? Is she related to the little boy who states he saw Kyron in the hallway or do I have him mixed up with someone else? Who is it that has a daughter who went to Arizona?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on April 20, 2011, 06:25:34 PM
Sass she does look different, that's interesting. I can tell you have had strong feelings about this person for a long time. She is the woman who's husband died in the motorcycle crash and who's son has young daughter? Is she related to the little boy who states he saw Kyron in the hallway or do I have him mixed up with someone else? Who is it that has a daughter who went to Arizona?

Yes, her husband died in a motorcycle crash, which was under investigation. There was no public follow-up on the result.

BBM

No, you're thinking of Tanner who stated that he saw Kyron going to "the cool electrical project(?)". He is also the son of the woman (Pumalo) who went to Arizona, but she left prior to Kyron going missing.

Kurtis, who Terri took a pic of during the SF and who went bowling with the family the weekend before, is Kim's son. Kurtis is also the one who stated, per Kim's interview with the press, that Kyron told him that he had a doctors appointment that day, June 4th, which is why he didn't miss him at lunch.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 20, 2011, 06:29:33 PM
Wow, Kim Holm does look way different.  I'd love to see a side by side comparison of this picture and one from June of last year.  Thanks for sharing, Sassi.

I would like to see that too.

Klaas: This is a link to Kim's video interview. Could you do a screen capture of her, along with the booking photo please? Here is the link.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/98981009.html?tab=video

Thanks!

Hard to tell since she's wearing sunglasses in one and not in the other but I think she looks very much the same.  Maybe a bit thinner now?   FWIW I have often wondered about this family and possible connection to a missing Kyron.



(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5106/5639094748_aa4e6c164c_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on April 20, 2011, 06:34:30 PM
Wow, Kim Holm does look way different.  I'd love to see a side by side comparison of this picture and one from June of last year.  Thanks for sharing, Sassi.

I would like to see that too.

Klaas: This is a link to Kim's video interview. Could you do a screen capture of her, along with the booking photo please? Here is the link.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/98981009.html?tab=video

Thanks!

Hard to tell since she's wearing sunglasses in one and not in the other but I think she looks very much the same.  Maybe a bit thinner now?   FWIW I have often wondered about this family and possible connection to a missing Kyron.



(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5106/5639094748_aa4e6c164c_b.jpg)

Thanks so much Klaas!  ::MonkeyKiss:: She is absolutely much thinner, IMO.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: monchichi on April 20, 2011, 06:35:21 PM
Thanks Klaas!  I guess I remembered her differently--I was thinking she was blonde before!  I agree she looks thinner and a bit more ragged but overall not drastically different as I thought.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on April 20, 2011, 06:45:43 PM
I agree with you Klaas. Kim and Avery have been on my hinky meter for a long time. Between them and the Jim Kelley sighting, and everything else that is coming up, I just have to keep looking at them to see if they are connected in some way.

I'm not staying close minded. I also dig into a lot of other people; make a list, and rotate the names to see if any new info pops up. Usually, something new pops up.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 20, 2011, 06:50:42 PM
I agree with you Klaas. Kim and Avery have been on my hinky meter for a long time. Between them and the Jim Kelley sighting, and everything else that is coming up, I just have to keep looking at them to see if they are connected in some way.

I'm not staying close minded. I also dig into a lot of other people; make a list, and rotate the names to see if any new info pops up. Usually, something new pops up.

IMO Kyron was taken away from that school by someone he knew so these people cannot be ruled out especially given the sighting of the truck in the vicinity of Kim's home.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 20, 2011, 07:00:44 PM
I agree with you Klaas. Kim and Avery have been on my hinky meter for a long time. Between them and the Jim Kelley sighting, and everything else that is coming up, I just have to keep looking at them to see if they are connected in some way.

I'm not staying close minded. I also dig into a lot of other people; make a list, and rotate the names to see if any new info pops up. Usually, something new pops up.

IMO Kyron was taken away from that school by someone he knew so these people cannot be ruled out especially given the sighting of the truck in the vicinity of Kim's home.

Klaas ... maybe you could retrieve the images that are missing from the following post.

Jane

++++

Klaasend
Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #6 7/13/10 -
ォ Reply #72 on: July 14, 2010, 02:56:55 AM サ


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8267.msg1183061#msg1183061


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 20, 2011, 07:04:55 PM
Two Witnesses

Considering Kaine Horman affirm that his wife was home at 3:00 PM on June 4, 2010 ... it would imply that the diver of the white pick observed by Jim Kelley was not Terri.

+++++++

Day 3: FBI calls in criminal profiler in search for missing Skyline boy; interviews with students and parents begin
Published: Sunday, June 06, 2010, 2:14 PM
Updated: Friday, June 18, 2010, 5:01 PM


1:29 p.m. -- Neighbors stop by Brooks Hill Historic church, across the street from the school, to mull over the investigation. "This kind of thing is unheard of," says Jim Kelley, 50.

Kelley, who lives about a mile and a half down hill, at the end of a winding, secluded country lane off Cornelius Pass, said police, federal agents, K-9 teams and helicopters scoured the area Saturday.

"We had two odd sightings of a vehicle on our road Friday," Kelley said. Around 3 p.m, he and a neighbor reported seeing a white pick-up truck with a female driver pull to the end of the long road, idle and then turn around. Then again at 2 a.m. Saturday morning, a similar white pickup truck appeared, idled and when a neighbor loosed her dogs, eased away.

"A, it was strange to have a car there, any car there, that we didn't know, and B, it was strange to have a vehicle come down our dead-end road twice in the same day, hours after a little boy goes missing," said Kelley. "That's beyond rare."

Kelley said authorities have twice searched the deep ravine, creek and railroad tracks located near the end of his street by air and on foot.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/day_three_search_continues_hun


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 20, 2011, 07:06:57 PM
Kim Holm

Court doc: Kaine accuses Terri of sexual affair
Story Published: Jul 12, 2010 at 2:53 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 13, 2010 at 12:24 AM PDT


Meanwhile, Kim Holm, who is good friends with Terri said Monday, 的 really think they were a good family before this.

She said they volunteered together at Skyline School where her son, Curtis, is good friends with Kyron, and when Terri asked Curtis to go bowling with the family just days before Kyron disappeared, a normally protective Holm let her son go.

的 don稚 let my kids go with anybody, and I let him go bowling with them the Sunday before he disappeared, because I just trusted them, she said. 的 didn稚 think anything bad about them.

She described Terri as a good mother who snapped a photo of the boys at their science project the morning Kyron vanished.

的 asked Curtis about Kyron痴 last day at school and he told me he was happy, he was interacting with her, and they were really excited about the science fair project, Holm said.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/98272674.html


Kurtis Holm

Sources: Terri Horman vague on Kyron痴 doctor appointment date
Story Published: Jul 21, 2010 at 7:11 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 21, 2010 at 8:38 PM PDT


Kim Holm痴 son, Kurtis, who Terri Horman photographed with his science project around the time she took a picture of Kyron that morning, said her son knew about the appointment too.

鄭nd the teacher said, 選 thought he left with his mom, because they thought they had a doctor appointment, Holm said. 鄭nd then at lunchtime, Kurtis ate lunch with him every day, he wasn稚 there at lunchtime.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/98981009.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 20, 2011, 07:13:08 PM
Klaas ... the images from this post also went "poof".  (fixed)

Janet

+++++

Avery Villarreal

Klaasen
Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #6 7/13/10 -
ォ Reply #84 on: July 14, 2010, 03:15:58 AM


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8267.80




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 20, 2011, 07:17:54 PM
Kim Holm

Friend of Terri's describes her as a good mother


Video:
http://www.katu.com/home/related/98286974.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 20, 2011, 07:22:50 PM
klaasen
Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #6 7/13/10 -
ォ Reply #80 on: July 14, 2010, 03:11:48 AM


I'm a little freaked out about Kim Holm's address in relation to Jim Kelley's place and the sighting of the white truck.  Isn't anyone else freaking?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8267.80


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: neighbor on April 20, 2011, 09:59:32 PM
Kim Holm

Court doc: Kaine accuses Terri of sexual affair
Story Published: Jul 12, 2010 at 2:53 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 13, 2010 at 12:24 AM PDT


Meanwhile, Kim Holm, who is good friends with Terri said Monday, 的 really think they were a good family before this.

She said they volunteered together at Skyline School where her son, Curtis, is good friends with Kyron, and when Terri asked Curtis to go bowling with the family just days before Kyron disappeared, a normally protective Holm let her son go.

的 don稚 let my kids go with anybody, and I let him go bowling with them the Sunday before he disappeared, because I just trusted them, she said. 的 didn稚 think anything bad about them.

She described Terri as a good mother who snapped a photo of the boys at their science project the morning Kyron vanished.

的 asked Curtis about Kyron痴 last day at school and he told me he was happy, he was interacting with her, and they were really excited about the science fair project, Holm said.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/98272674.html


Kurtis Holm

Sources: Terri Horman vague on Kyron痴 doctor appointment date
Story Published: Jul 21, 2010 at 7:11 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 21, 2010 at 8:38 PM PDT


Kim Holm痴 son, Kurtis, who Terri Horman photographed with his science project around the time she took a picture of Kyron that morning, said her son knew about the appointment too.

鄭nd the teacher said, 選 thought he left with his mom, because they thought they had a doctor appointment, Holm said. 鄭nd then at lunchtime, Kurtis ate lunch with him every day, he wasn稚 there at lunchtime.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/98981009.html


BBM
I recall Kurtis riding to school in loading area of a pickup truck with his older brother driving.  Maybe not so "protective"?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 20, 2011, 10:15:59 PM
Excuse the language.  This was from Avery's facebook from Sept 2010:

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5264/5639538506_fb9800b33f_o.jpg)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on April 21, 2011, 08:28:49 AM
O/T partly:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/#comments (http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/#comments)

Malty says:
April 20, 2011 at 11:12 pm

Well I am a Monkey and don稚 know how to post or anything
So I just read
I read that site for years then last year I got to be a real
Monkey but I need to learn to take part
Any way I just watched the video of Kim Holm
Very interesting
Are those other problem guys her real kids
The ones that talk so bad about mom
If any Monkeys have the link to the instructions
Remember me:)
__________________________

Malty: You have to log in with your user name and password first. After you do that, you will see a tab, at both the bottom and top of the page, that says reply. Click on that if you want to post something new. If you want to reply to a certain post, just click on the 'quote' tab, on the right side of that post. If you're going to reply to someone's post, make sure you start your post at the bottom, or you'll end up in someone's box.  ::MonkeyJnBox::

The answer regarding the Holm/Villarreal guys being her kids; Yes they are her bio kids.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on April 21, 2011, 08:37:09 AM
Kim Holm

Court doc: Kaine accuses Terri of sexual affair
Story Published: Jul 12, 2010 at 2:53 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 13, 2010 at 12:24 AM PDT


Meanwhile, Kim Holm, who is good friends with Terri said Monday, 的 really think they were a good family before this.

She said they volunteered together at Skyline School where her son, Curtis, is good friends with Kyron, and when Terri asked Curtis to go bowling with the family just days before Kyron disappeared, a normally protective Holm let her son go.

的 don稚 let my kids go with anybody, and I let him go bowling with them the Sunday before he disappeared, because I just trusted them, she said. 的 didn稚 think anything bad about them.

She described Terri as a good mother who snapped a photo of the boys at their science project the morning Kyron vanished.

的 asked Curtis about Kyron痴 last day at school and he told me he was happy, he was interacting with her, and they were really excited about the science fair project, Holm said.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/98272674.html

<snipped for space>


BBM
I recall Kurtis riding to school in loading area of a pickup truck with his older brother driving.  Maybe not so "protective"?

BBM

Thank you neighbor.

If this is the case, then that is huge, IMO. That would place him at the school!  ::MonkeyEek:: Why wasn't his name on the list?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on April 21, 2011, 08:52:20 AM
Kim Holm

Court doc: Kaine accuses Terri of sexual affair
Story Published: Jul 12, 2010 at 2:53 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 13, 2010 at 12:24 AM PDT


Meanwhile, Kim Holm, who is good friends with Terri said Monday, 的 really think they were a good family before this.

She said they volunteered together at Skyline School where her son, Curtis, is good friends with Kyron, and when Terri asked Curtis to go bowling with the family just days before Kyron disappeared, a normally protective Holm let her son go.

的 don稚 let my kids go with anybody, and I let him go bowling with them the Sunday before he disappeared, because I just trusted them, she said. 的 didn稚 think anything bad about them.

She described Terri as a good mother who snapped a photo of the boys at their science project the morning Kyron vanished.

的 asked Curtis about Kyron痴 last day at school and he told me he was happy, he was interacting with her, and they were really excited about the science fair project, Holm said.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/98272674.html

<snipped for space>


BBM
I recall Kurtis riding to school in loading area of a pickup truck with his older brother driving.  Maybe not so "protective"?

BBM

Thank you neighbor.

If this is the case, then that is huge, IMO. That would place him at the school!  ::MonkeyEek:: Why wasn't his name on the list?

I guess I should have asked: Which older brother? Avery, Cameron, or Ryan?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Gypsy DD on April 21, 2011, 11:37:23 AM
I agree with you Klaas. Kim and Avery have been on my hinky meter for a long time. Between them and the Jim Kelley sighting, and everything else that is coming up, I just have to keep looking at them to see if they are connected in some way.

I'm not staying close minded. I also dig into a lot of other people; make a list, and rotate the names to see if any new info pops up. Usually, something new pops up.

Didn't she live on Jim Kelleys road at the time of the white truck sighting..IIRC..she was the one who also saw the truck and let her dogs out in the early morning AM hours?

I often thought both those sightings were purposely put into the equation to throw LE off the scent of Terri and her friends and into "some random dude did it" pool.  I think Jim Kelley is being honest..I m just saying I think it was a set up..funny the  first sighting of the truck is right around the time Kaine found out Kyron wasn't on the bus..and took off running for his car and the second sighting is in the very early morning wee hours of Saturday....and Kim lets the dogs loose and the truck pulls away...was that a signal that let the truck driver know that Jim had made both the sightings like they had hoped he would? 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on April 21, 2011, 12:08:25 PM
I agree with you Klaas. Kim and Avery have been on my hinky meter for a long time. Between them and the Jim Kelley sighting, and everything else that is coming up, I just have to keep looking at them to see if they are connected in some way.

I'm not staying close minded. I also dig into a lot of other people; make a list, and rotate the names to see if any new info pops up. Usually, something new pops up.

Didn't she live on Jim Kelleys road at the time of the white truck sighting..IIRC..she was the one who also saw the truck and let her dogs out in the early morning AM hours?

I often thought both those sightings were purposely put into the equation to throw LE off the scent of Terri and her friends and into "some random dude did it" pool.  I think Jim Kelley is being honest..I m just saying I think it was a set up..funny the  first sighting of the truck is right around the time Kaine found out Kyron wasn't on the bus..and took off running for his car and the second sighting is in the very early morning wee hours of Saturday....and Kim lets the dogs loose and the truck pulls away...was that a signal that let the truck driver know that Jim had made both the sightings like they had hoped he would? 

BBM

Gypsy: No. Kim lives directly behind JK's house, on NW Cornelius Pass Rd. The woman who realeased the dogs, lived on JK's road,(8th st/ave I think). She was the other witness, per JK, and her name was never mentioned in the MSM. I would post the map that Klaas made, but I think she may have deleted it from her photobucket.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on April 21, 2011, 12:25:31 PM
This is all getting very interesting. Is there any thought about Terri being set up by these people or is the main theory that Terri was working with them?

Do we have a pic of the older sons? 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on April 21, 2011, 12:32:41 PM
I found this link, not sure if I have seen it posted.

http://catvillarreal.blogspot.com/


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on April 21, 2011, 12:49:19 PM
This is all getting very interesting. Is there any thought about Terri being set up by these people or is the main theory that Terri was working with them?

Do we have a pic of the older sons? 

Cameron:

(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/186795_100000324543215_3526005_n.jpg)

Avery and Breanna:

(http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad12/sass2heart/averybreanna.jpg?t=1303404352)

Ryan doesn't seem to have FB or myspace. Well, not that I can find.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: neighbor on April 21, 2011, 02:15:43 PM
Kim Holm

Court doc: Kaine accuses Terri of sexual affair
Story Published: Jul 12, 2010 at 2:53 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 13, 2010 at 12:24 AM PDT


Meanwhile, Kim Holm, who is good friends with Terri said Monday, 的 really think they were a good family before this.

She said they volunteered together at Skyline School where her son, Curtis, is good friends with Kyron, and when Terri asked Curtis to go bowling with the family just days before Kyron disappeared, a normally protective Holm let her son go.

的 don稚 let my kids go with anybody, and I let him go bowling with them the Sunday before he disappeared, because I just trusted them, she said. 的 didn稚 think anything bad about them.

She described Terri as a good mother who snapped a photo of the boys at their science project the morning Kyron vanished.

的 asked Curtis about Kyron痴 last day at school and he told me he was happy, he was interacting with her, and they were really excited about the science fair project, Holm said.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/98272674.html

<snipped for space>


BBM
I recall Kurtis riding to school in loading area of a pickup truck with his older brother driving.  Maybe not so "protective"?

BBM

Thank you neighbor.

If this is the case, then that is huge, IMO. That would place him at the school!  ::MonkeyEek:: Why wasn't his name on the list?

I guess I should have asked: Which older brother? Avery, Cameron, or Ryan?

Sorry for the confusion, but that happened a month or so before Jun/4.  Don't know with one.  Probably no Avery because he doesn't live there IIRC.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on April 21, 2011, 02:21:53 PM
Kim Holm

Court doc: Kaine accuses Terri of sexual affair
Story Published: Jul 12, 2010 at 2:53 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 13, 2010 at 12:24 AM PDT


Meanwhile, Kim Holm, who is good friends with Terri said Monday, 的 really think they were a good family before this.

She said they volunteered together at Skyline School where her son, Curtis, is good friends with Kyron, and when Terri asked Curtis to go bowling with the family just days before Kyron disappeared, a normally protective Holm let her son go.

的 don稚 let my kids go with anybody, and I let him go bowling with them the Sunday before he disappeared, because I just trusted them, she said. 的 didn稚 think anything bad about them.

She described Terri as a good mother who snapped a photo of the boys at their science project the morning Kyron vanished.

的 asked Curtis about Kyron痴 last day at school and he told me he was happy, he was interacting with her, and they were really excited about the science fair project, Holm said.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/98272674.html

<snipped for space>


BBM
I recall Kurtis riding to school in loading area of a pickup truck with his older brother driving.  Maybe not so "protective"?

BBM

Thank you neighbor.

If this is the case, then that is huge, IMO. That would place him at the school!  ::MonkeyEek:: Why wasn't his name on the list?

I guess I should have asked: Which older brother? Avery, Cameron, or Ryan?

Sorry for the confusion, but that happened a month or so before Jun/4.  Don't know with one.  Probably no Avery because he doesn't live there IIRC.

Hi neighbor! Actually Avery and Breanna were living there.They just moved out a few weeks ago according to Cameron's FB.

http://www.facebook.com/crazy4high?ref=sgm#!/crazy4high?sk=wall (http://www.facebook.com/crazy4high?ref=sgm#!/crazy4high?sk=wall)

Cameron Villarreal i was talkin abt when avery and brie move out few week ago and they stole some of my stuff an some of mom stuff to.
18 hours ago


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on April 21, 2011, 02:25:34 PM
I would like to know who took Kurtis' project to school. Was it Kim, one of the brothers, or Terri?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on April 21, 2011, 02:28:05 PM
I would like to know who took Kurtis' project to school. Was it Kim, one of the brothers, or Terri?

I can't see him carrying it himself.

(http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/30862_1489640042016_1264414625_1365627_928039_n.jpg)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on April 21, 2011, 02:58:50 PM
I would like to know who took Kurtis' project to school. Was it Kim, one of the brothers, or Terri?

I can't see him carrying it himself.

(http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/30862_1489640042016_1264414625_1365627_928039_n.jpg)

I see Kim on the list of people at skyline that morning so perhaps she helped him?

It sure seems as though this family has gone through some major changes since the death of Cat. From the site that I posted it seems according to some comments, he was a good father and people spoke highly of him. He and Kim had several children together, I think I read 5? They were together for a number of years. I say this because although who is to really say one way or another at this point, someone could be involved or it can just be a family who has gone through a tragic loss in their family. So I am staying on the fence in regards to this particular family. Thank you though Sass and please don't feel I am attacking your hard work, I am certainly not. Thanks for posting.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on April 21, 2011, 03:24:26 PM
TG: It's all good.  ::MonkeyKiss::

You could be absolutely right. If I'm wrong, I'll humbly admit it, but I have to look at everything and everyone. Kyron deserves it, IMO.

There are so many things that just don't add up, and I have to question those things. A day doesn't go by that I don't think about Kyron and I have a choice; I could sit on my fat arse and watch from the sidelines, or I can try and find something that maybe, just maybe, will help bring him home. If I don't find anything definitive, well, at least I tried. While listening to Desiree in the PC's and talking with a family member of hers, I could actually feel their pain. I just don't want them to feel that way any more.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Gypsy DD on April 21, 2011, 08:18:22 PM
I agree with you Klaas. Kim and Avery have been on my hinky meter for a long time. Between them and the Jim Kelley sighting, and everything else that is coming up, I just have to keep looking at them to see if they are connected in some way.

I'm not staying close minded. I also dig into a lot of other people; make a list, and rotate the names to see if any new info pops up. Usually, something new pops up.

Didn't she live on Jim Kelleys road at the time of the white truck sighting..IIRC..she was the one who also saw the truck and let her dogs out in the early morning AM hours?

I often thought both those sightings were purposely put into the equation to throw LE off the scent of Terri and her friends and into "some random dude did it" pool.  I think Jim Kelley is being honest..I m just saying I think it was a set up..funny the  first sighting of the truck is right around the time Kaine found out Kyron wasn't on the bus..and took off running for his car and the second sighting is in the very early morning wee hours of Saturday....and Kim lets the dogs loose and the truck pulls away...was that a signal that let the truck driver know that Jim had made both the sightings like they had hoped he would? 

BBM

Gypsy: No. Kim lives directly behind JK's house, on NW Cornelius Pass Rd. The woman who realeased the dogs, lived on JK's road,(8th st/ave I think). She was the other witness, per JK, and her name was never mentioned in the MSM. I would post the map that Klaas made, but I think she may have deleted it from her photobucket.

Thanks Sassi..I am still very suspcious of those two sightings..and even though Kim doesn't live their of Kim.  Something about her just set my hinky meter off right from the start. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on April 22, 2011, 12:07:14 AM
Post from Blink on Crime:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/

Lea Conner says:
April 21, 2011 at 9:16 pm
Here are a couple of docket notations of interest:

Horman Kaine Andrew */Horman Terri Lynn Moulton Multnomah 6/30/11 9:00 TKEM 450 JG MEISENHEIMER 100666084 Hearing Motion

Oregon State Of/Holm Kimberly Ann Multnomah 6/22/11 1:30 DISP DUII SUPERVISION PGM 110342211 Hearing Further Proceedings

Oregon State Of/Holm Kimberly Ann Multnomah 6/22/11 1:30 DISP DUII SUPERVISION PGM 101152725 Hearing Further Proceedings

Oregon State Of/Holm Kimberly Ann Multnomah 6/22/11 1:30 DISP DUII SUPERVISION PGM Z1744625 Hearing Further Proceedings



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on April 22, 2011, 01:21:18 AM
TG: It's all good.  ::MonkeyKiss::

You could be absolutely right. If I'm wrong, I'll humbly admit it, but I have to look at everything and everyone. Kyron deserves it, IMO.

There are so many things that just don't add up, and I have to question those things. A day doesn't go by that I don't think about Kyron and I have a choice; I could sit on my fat arse and watch from the sidelines, or I can try and find something that maybe, just maybe, will help bring him home. If I don't find anything definitive, well, at least I tried. While listening to Desiree in the PC's and talking with a family member of hers, I could actually feel their pain. I just don't want them to feel that way any more.  ::MonkeyAngel::

I know Sass it is heartbreaking to watch Desiree. I have said so many times I relate to her so much because I see I could have been in her shoes.
There are many things I consider however nobody else seems to find they are worth looking into, for whatever reason. I find it frustrating so I just keep it to myself and dig away.
You could very well be correct and if you are it must be some kind of revenge on their part I would guess. Have you uncovered anything that would lead to "why" they would commit such a crime?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on April 22, 2011, 01:23:33 AM
Post from Blink on Crime:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/

Lea Conner says:
April 21, 2011 at 9:16 pm
Here are a couple of docket notations of interest:

Horman Kaine Andrew */Horman Terri Lynn Moulton Multnomah 6/30/11 9:00 TKEM 450 JG MEISENHEIMER 100666084 Hearing Motion

Oregon State Of/Holm Kimberly Ann Multnomah 6/22/11 1:30 DISP DUII SUPERVISION PGM 110342211 Hearing Further Proceedings

Oregon State Of/Holm Kimberly Ann Multnomah 6/22/11 1:30 DISP DUII SUPERVISION PGM 101152725 Hearing Further Proceedings

Oregon State Of/Holm Kimberly Ann Multnomah 6/22/11 1:30 DISP DUII SUPERVISION PGM Z1744625 Hearing Further Proceedings



I am pages and pages behind on Blinks site. Did Lea or anyone uncover what yesterdays hearing was all about?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on April 22, 2011, 01:29:12 AM
I would like to know who took Kurtis' project to school. Was it Kim, one of the brothers, or Terri?

I can't see him carrying it himself.

(http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/30862_1489640042016_1264414625_1365627_928039_n.jpg)


Can anyone tell where this display was in relation to where Kyrons was?

Does anyone else see a difference of expressions on the faces of the two boys? Although Kyron had a big smile, I don't see the same happiness in his eyes as I do in this child's eyes. Kurtis' eyes are shinny and proud, Kyron looked as if he was being forced to smile. I don't know, I just see a difference in emotions, anyone else?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on April 22, 2011, 01:43:05 AM
Sorry after 2 years on this site I have yet to figure out how to post pics. If anyone can or feels like it perhaps if you can do a side by side?

This is a link to a pic of Kyron holding a trophy. See the look in his eyes? He is proud and happy! YOu can see his eyes shine!

http://www.oprah.com/oprahshow/Missing-Child-Kyron-Hormans-Parents-Speak-Out

Then look at this pic at the following link. Kyron is smiling although it doesn't look to be a real smile to me but one that is forced. His eyes are not happy, not shining with pride. He gives me a feeling of saddness when I look into his eyes.

http://www.oprah.com/oprahshow/Missing-Child-Kyron-Hormans-Parents-Speak-Out



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on April 22, 2011, 09:42:10 AM
Sorry after 2 years on this site I have yet to figure out how to post pics. If anyone can or feels like it perhaps if you can do a side by side?

This is a link to a pic of Kyron holding a trophy. See the look in his eyes? He is proud and happy! YOu can see his eyes shine!

http://www.oprah.com/oprahshow/Missing-Child-Kyron-Hormans-Parents-Speak-Out

Then look at this pic at the following link. Kyron is smiling although it doesn't look to be a real smile to me but one that is forced. His eyes are not happy, not shining with pride. He gives me a feeling of saddness when I look into his eyes.

http://www.oprah.com/oprahshow/Missing-Child-Kyron-Hormans-Parents-Speak-Out



Good morning TG and Monkeys!

The 2 links you posted, are the same.  ::MonkeyTongue::

You asked this question on the previous post:

Quote
Can anyone tell where this display was in relation to where Kyrons was?

The answer: Look to the left of Kyron's display. You can see Kurtis' display.

(http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/30862_1489640002015_1264414625_1365626_534984_n.jpg)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: can on April 22, 2011, 10:16:12 AM
 ::FlyingFrog:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyAngel::

Kyron, I so wish you could be home and looking forward to an Easter egg hunt with your family.   ::MonkeyTears::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on April 22, 2011, 03:31:33 PM
Sorry after 2 years on this site I have yet to figure out how to post pics. If anyone can or feels like it perhaps if you can do a side by side?

This is a link to a pic of Kyron holding a trophy. See the look in his eyes? He is proud and happy! YOu can see his eyes shine!

http://www.oprah.com/oprahshow/Missing-Child-Kyron-Hormans-Parents-Speak-Out

Then look at this pic at the following link. Kyron is smiling although it doesn't look to be a real smile to me but one that is forced. His eyes are not happy, not shining with pride. He gives me a feeling of saddness when I look into his eyes.

http://www.oprah.com/oprahshow/Missing-Child-Kyron-Hormans-Parents-Speak-Out


oops. Let me look for the other pic, lol. This is what I get for posting when I was tired!



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on April 22, 2011, 03:36:16 PM
Here is the 2nd link/pic I was trying to post. I like this pic because it is up close. 

http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/15/2nd-grade-boy-disappears-walking-down-school-hallway-to-class/



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on April 22, 2011, 06:31:44 PM
Here is the 2nd link/pic I was trying to post. I like this pic because it is up close. 

http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/15/2nd-grade-boy-disappears-walking-down-school-hallway-to-class/



Pics posted from TG's request post.

Here ya go TG. The 2nd pic is the day he went missing. The one thing I thought of, in that pic, from the first time I saw it, was that his eyes didn't seem right. He seems to have this, almost dreamy look in his eyes.


(http://static.oprah.com/images/tows/201009/20100915-kyron-horman-2-300x205.jpg) (http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/06/15/kyron-horman-blog.jpg)




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Kokos Cat on April 22, 2011, 11:03:08 PM
AV (Kurtis' big brother) worships Satan.  He hates his mother. The following picture is from one of the most recent links (Feb. 16) on his FB page:

(http://external.ak.fbcdn.net/safe_image.php?d=d56579baa8ffd8ded2cd7191b63bf6d4&w=90&h=90&url=http%3A%2F%2Fstore.nuclearblastusa.com%2Fimages%2Fmedium%2F36716.jpg)

Wall post and comments (CAUTION: MAY BE OFFENSIVE):

Avery Villarreal
she crashed again. thank you Satan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And f*** You god
February 10 at 8:07pm
2 people like this.

Dominic Lawrence
through every dark night there is a bright day after that, so if you stick you chest out keep your head up you can handle it. tupac shakur
February 10 at 8:15pm キ  1 person

Breanna Pulliam
Avery!!!!!
February 10 at 10:19pm

Dominic Lawrence
i love you guysi
February 10 at 10:23pm

Monika Holm
Thats not very nice. She really makes me angry. Thanks for calling grandma and letting her know whats going on..
February 11 at 7:19am

Avery Villarreal
Yo man me and cam are gonna bbq a brisket on sunday you should come out
February 11 at 1:29pm

Monika Holm
You guys need to come over here. I need to talk with you what is your number. So how is she doing?
February 11 at 2:07pm

Avery Villarreal
I guess she had surgery yesterday. she broke a couple ribs and did something to her liver. my number is XXXXXXXXXX
February 11 at 2:18pm

Monika Holm
stupid bitch. Why dont you guys just move here. And bring Kurtis and Joseph with you..
February 11 at 2:22pm キ  1 person

Breanna Pulliam
i would be down.... no one else wants to!
February 11 at 2:49pm

Jeffrey Pulliam Sr. God is good and god is real!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I will pray for your Mom and i ALWAYS PRAY FOR YOU GOD BLESS YOU!!!!!!!!!
February 12 at 2:04pm キ  1 person

Jeffrey Pulliam Sr.
Alcoholism is a disease! I am sure you know that you are a smart Young man.
February 12 at 2:13pm

Breanna Pulliam
dad!!!!! grrrrrrrr!!!!
YOU BOTH!!!!!
Avery!!!!! grrrrrrrr!!!!!!
February 12 at 3:08pm

Avery Villarreal
Luckily blasphemy is an eternal sin so I'm Damned either way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
February 12 at 5:28pm

Breanna Pulliam
avery!!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH you little f***er!
February 12 at 6:13pm

Avery Villarreal
f*** you
February 12 at 7:14pm

Jeffrey Pulliam Sr.
Avery, I love you and so does GOD
February 12 at 8:58pm

Avery Villarreal
I Love you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!You too old man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
February 12 at 9:47pm

Jeffrey Pulliam Sr.
lol
February 13 at 7:40am

Jeffrey Pulliam Sr.
If you would like to have lunch or just talk let me know, I am here for you.
February 13 at 7:45am


http://www.facebook.com/people/Avery-Villarreal/100000645197805?sk=wall (http://www.facebook.com/people/Avery-Villarreal/100000645197805?sk=wall)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on April 22, 2011, 11:54:34 PM
Here is the 2nd link/pic I was trying to post. I like this pic because it is up close. 

http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/15/2nd-grade-boy-disappears-walking-down-school-hallway-to-class/



Pics posted from TG's request post.

Here ya go TG. The 2nd pic is the day he went missing. The one thing I thought of, in that pic, from the first time I saw it, was that his eyes didn't seem right. He seems to have this, almost dreamy look in his eyes.


(http://static.oprah.com/images/tows/201009/20100915-kyron-horman-2-300x205.jpg) (http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/06/15/kyron-horman-blog.jpg)



I have looked at so many pics of Kyron and I can say, this is the only one that I can see his eyes don't look as bright. Your right, he does has a glaze to his eyes. His right eye is not as open as the other eye. Is it possible that Kyron was given some kind of drug, something that would make him more compliant?

The pic taken of Kyron at school freaks me out to look at. I feel such saddness in his sweet little face. Something is not right about it. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on April 23, 2011, 02:20:55 PM
I don't know why I didn't look at this before. How could I not have looked at this?

Anyway, I looked at it now. Breanna's father, who owns JT Construction, lives on NW Johnson rd. Remember that road name? Does it sound familiar? Well it should. Javier Trejo-Richate's body was dumped on the 20400 block of Skyline Blvd,  between NW Johnson Rd and Mooreland Rd. Jeff Pulliams house is only 2.5 miles from that location, and only a bit over 4 miles from Kyrons search grid area.
___________________________

http://www.spokeo.com/search?q=jeffrey%20Pulliam#Oregon:2946074211/family
 (http://www.spokeo.com/search?q=jeffrey%20Pulliam#Oregon:2946074211/family)
 Pulliam home
18030 NW Johnson Rd, Portland, OR 97231
(Home is up for sale now)
http://www.estately.com/listings/info/p18030-nw-johnson-rd--1 (http://www.estately.com/listings/info/p18030-nw-johnson-rd--1)


http://www.nwcn.com/news?fId=117489748&fPath=/news/local&fDomain=10202 (http://www.nwcn.com/news?fId=117489748&fPath=/news/local&fDomain=10202)
Javier Trejo-Richarte body found
20400 nw skyline blvd, portland, or


Avery moved back to Kims home sometime in August 2010.


http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000645197805&v=wall&ref=search#!/crazy4high?sk=wall (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000645197805&v=wall&ref=search#!/crazy4high?sk=wall)


Edgar Ruiz wer u stayin at man?u knw ry n ave moved back in at moms?!
August 25, 2010 at 9:43am
________________________________

Map of locations:

http://maps.yahoo.com/?ard=1&mvt%3Dm%26lat%3D45.66344%26lon%3D-122.9084%26zoom%3D14%26q1%3D18030%2520NW%2520Johnson%2520Rd%252C%2520Portland%252C%2520OR%252097231%26gid1%3D21979620%26q2%3D20400%2520nw%2520skyline%2520blvd%252C%2520portland%252C%2520or%26q3%3D45.697021%252C-122.918356 (http://maps.yahoo.com/?ard=1&mvt%3Dm%26lat%3D45.66344%26lon%3D-122.9084%26zoom%3D14%26q1%3D18030%2520NW%2520Johnson%2520Rd%252C%2520Portland%252C%2520OR%252097231%26gid1%3D21979620%26q2%3D20400%2520nw%2520skyline%2520blvd%252C%2520portland%252C%2520or%26q3%3D45.697021%252C-122.918356)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on April 23, 2011, 06:07:24 PM
Sass interesting, thanks. Seems this case has more coinsedences then anything I have ever encountered or so it seems anyway. What do you feel about a possible set up being an answer? Terri could have been set up to take a fall either as a scape goat or even revenge, or I suppose Terri herself is trying to set someone up for those same reasons?

The discussion on Blinks site is also interesting lately. They have brought up suspect zero (SZ) and Blinks contention this person entered the school. I believe the thought is SZ is not Terri, so who is sz?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on April 23, 2011, 11:21:37 PM
I don't know why I didn't look at this before. How could I not have looked at this?

Anyway, I looked at it now. Breanna's father, who owns JT Construction, lives on NW Johnson rd. Remember that road name? Does it sound familiar? Well it should. Javier Trejo-Richate's body was dumped on the 20400 block of Skyline Blvd,  between NW Johnson Rd and Mooreland Rd. Jeff Pulliams house is only 2.5 miles from that location, and only a bit over 4 miles from Kyrons search grid area.
___________________________

http://www.spokeo.com/search?q=jeffrey%20Pulliam#Oregon:2946074211/family
 (http://www.spokeo.com/search?q=jeffrey%20Pulliam#Oregon:2946074211/family)
 Pulliam home
18030 NW Johnson Rd, Portland, OR 97231
(Home is up for sale now)
http://www.estately.com/listings/info/p18030-nw-johnson-rd--1 (http://www.estately.com/listings/info/p18030-nw-johnson-rd--1)


http://www.nwcn.com/news?fId=117489748&fPath=/news/local&fDomain=10202 (http://www.nwcn.com/news?fId=117489748&fPath=/news/local&fDomain=10202)
Javier Trejo-Richarte body found
20400 nw skyline blvd, portland, or


Avery moved back to Kims home sometime in August 2010.


http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000645197805&v=wall&ref=search#!/crazy4high?sk=wall (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000645197805&v=wall&ref=search#!/crazy4high?sk=wall)


Edgar Ruiz wer u stayin at man?u knw ry n ave moved back in at moms?!
August 25, 2010 at 9:43am
________________________________

Map of locations:

http://maps.yahoo.com/?ard=1&mvt%3Dm%26lat%3D45.66344%26lon%3D-122.9084%26zoom%3D14%26q1%3D18030%2520NW%2520Johnson%2520Rd%252C%2520Portland%252C%2520OR%252097231%26gid1%3D21979620%26q2%3D20400%2520nw%2520skyline%2520blvd%252C%2520portland%252C%2520or%26q3%3D45.697021%252C-122.918356 (http://maps.yahoo.com/?ard=1&mvt%3Dm%26lat%3D45.66344%26lon%3D-122.9084%26zoom%3D14%26q1%3D18030%2520NW%2520Johnson%2520Rd%252C%2520Portland%252C%2520OR%252097231%26gid1%3D21979620%26q2%3D20400%2520nw%2520skyline%2520blvd%252C%2520portland%252C%2520or%26q3%3D45.697021%252C-122.918356)

Sassi - TY

As always, great sleuthing!!!

I think there are TOO many coincidences, since they are forming quite a mound!



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on April 23, 2011, 11:32:39 PM
Post by Lea Conner from BOC which, after reading, leaves me with two comments/questions:  1) the part where Lea said "Both Ms. Young and Mr. Horman rarely use Kyron痴 first name and instead use the pronoun 塗e., reminds me of the times those of us post on Caylee Anthony's tread have taken note that the Anthony's, including Casey, referred often of Caylee as "that little girl"; and 2) we know Terri says she sent an email to the teacher asking "when" she could pick up the exhibit, but we don't know if the tearcher ever replied back...but...LE ended up taking the exhibit as evidence....do we know if there were other exhibits (other than Kyron's) still at the school at the end of the day on Friday?

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/

Lea Conner says:
April 23, 2011 at 9:21 pm
puzzled says: April 23, 2011 at 1:20 pm
兎veryone痴 been hearing this week about the iphones and androids storing usage data think LE has all they need of TH痴 travel and communication by her cell phone? being as KY works in IT, guessing he and TH would have the latest in phone gadgets, eh?

Miss Bri says: April 23, 2011 at 2:19 pm
的 also assumed TMH and KH would have fairly new smartphones. KH and DY were asked if the emails sent to DY from TMH on June 4th could have been sent from her cell phone. At about 7:22 minutes in to the audio interview DY starts talking about the unusual amount of emails she received from TMH and at 8:05 minutes in KH says (in response to if the emails could have been sent from a phone) 鉄he doesnt haveit came from her account, I dont think she has..(unable to make out the rest of the sentence) I got the impression KH was saying TMH doesnt have email/internet service or capabilities (JMO).

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/terri_hormans_emails_to_kyron.html

The issue with the iPhone is that the phone and the computer with which the phone is synced contain a file (consolidated.db) that logs highly detailed location data along with dates and times.
http://www.courbis.com/Location-iPhone-your-phone-is.html

This issue affects iPhone OS 4.X, for which the first beta software became available on April 8, 2010.
http://www.quickpwn.com/2010/04/download-iphone-os-4-0-beta-firmware.html

Given that Terri Horman apparently did not have an email-enabled cell phone, we can assume that she did not use an iPhone at the time of Kyron痴 disappearance.

The consolidated.db issue is a bit of a red herring, as the same information is logged by cell phone providers, regardless of whether the location data is stored locally. In other words, your cell phone痴 location is known to your cell phone provider regardless of whether you have an iPhone.

The audio from the Oregonian interview is very interesting, especially the very detailed account of why Terri Horman had to take Kaine Horman痴 truck in order to ensure the science fair project arrived without any damage:

Reporter: 釘ut why would she need a truck to pick up his science project? It wasn稚 this enormous thing, right?

Kaine Horman: 鉄he took it [the truck] to drop it [the science fair project] off, too. Her trunk is relatively small, and she didn稚 want it to get damaged.

Desiree Young: 添eah, it [the science fair project] wouldn稚 have fit in her car.

Kaine Horman: 的t might have fit but it was the concern about damage with the diorama, and that with the truck, you can put it in the back of the cab and prop it up nice, and you can put the diorama on the seat, and there痴 no risk of damage. So, she took it [the science fair project] in the truck [on Thursday June 3, 2010], too, so I didn稚 think anything of it, because she went to take him [Kyron] to drop him off for the science fair and the display, it had to be on display for, until 10 o団lock [on Friday June 4, 2010]. So, why would she go drop him [Kyron] off and then leave him there and then leave with the truck and not pick up the science project? That makes no sense to me at all now. Didn稚 think anything of it at the time. Her story was that they had walked through and done the project on Thursday, which I believe they had done.

Desiree Young: 添eah, correct.

Kaine Horman: 典hey had done their reports on Thursday, but it [the science fair project] still had to be on display for the science fair.

Desiree Young: 鼎orrect.

Kaine Horman: 鉄o, she dropped him [Kyron] off, and took the truck to drop him off and pick it [the science fair project] up, but since it had to stay there, she left without the project. And, thinking about it now, it痴 like, well, why would you need the truck to pick it up if it had to stay there? You pick it up after school. So, take the truck after school to go pick him [Kyron] up and the project, but why would you go pick up the project at 8:45 before the science fair even starts? It makes no sense.

http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/audio/interview.mp3

Neighbor confirmed that Kaine Horman was present at the school on Thursday June 3, 2010. That being the case, why does Mr. Horman discuss the issues as to Thursday as though he was never there and having to take Terri Horman痴 word for it?

More important, if Kaine Horman was at the school on Thursday, he would have known that the science fair went until 10 am on Friday June 4, 2010, as it was posted on the school痴 front reader board. If Mr. Horman failed to notice this and so did Ms. Horman, then Mr. Horman cannot complain that Ms. Horman had some kind of evil intent, as not even he picked up on the timing issue.

Mr. Horman was at the school on Thursday, and he was present for the presentation regarding science fair projects. So, when Friday rolled around, Mr. Horman should have known that Ms. Horman would not need the truck, because Ms. Horman could take Mr. Horman痴 truck after he returned home from work early afternoon, to pick up Kyron and his project.

On the other hand, Mr. Horman痴 was present at the school on Thursday. Given that the did not think there was anything unusual about Ms. Horman痴 alleged request to take the truck, can we deduce that both Mr. and Ms. Horman were mistaken as to the time when science fair projects could be picked up?

In my opinion, Mr. and Ms. Horman痴 actions indicate that both of the Hormans mistakenly believed the projects could be picked up at 8:45 am. Under those facts, how can we attach any evil intent to Ms. Horman using the truck on Friday?

On a separate issue, it was interesting to hear how Mr. Horman and Ms. Young refer to Kyron. Both Ms. Young and Mr. Horman rarely use Kyron痴 first name and instead use the pronoun 塗e. Not that it means anything, but the parents I deal with use first names for their children much more frequently than Kyron痴 parents.

I was also struck by the rather lengthy explanation of the science fair project. Is that normal for parents to go to such great lengths for a second-grade project made out of foam-core board and a shoebox, which though professional quality, could easily have been folded down and transported? Clearly, Ms. Young and Mr. Horman did not want that project to arrive nor leave with a single scratch. It just strikes me as a lot of drama.

If Mr. Horman and Ms. Young get that excited over foam-core board and a shoebox, is there any doubt that the rest of Kyron痴 school progress would merit equal attention and monitoring? If so, does it stand to reason that Mr. Horman and Ms. Young were also monitoring Kyron痴 color-card (behavioral) warnings at school?

I知 not saying that either of them did anything wrong, just that they seem like 塗elicopter parents who are extremely involved and interested in their child痴 progress. Given their detailed defense of the careful transport of the science fair project, I suspect that Mr. Horman, Ms. Young, and Ms. Horman were all quite involved in Kyron痴 schooling. This is, of course, my personal opinion.

(Having dealt with parents of the opposite ilk 斗et it ride types who don稚 monitor homework and believe low C痴 and D痴 are passing, I prefer parents who are on top of things.)



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on April 24, 2011, 08:13:20 AM
Happy Easter everyone! Sure wish Kyron were home.  ::MonkeyAngel::


(http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/24820_1419544809679_1264414625_1200596_4121229_n.jpg)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: melisb on April 24, 2011, 08:35:29 AM
Happy Easter to ALL the Monkeys!!!!  May God Bless you and your family (furry and all!) each and every day!  Get your bellies full with Easter dinner and good sweet and rest up, another week is coming!  Have a wonderful day!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Brandi on April 24, 2011, 02:34:35 PM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/Image75-1.png)

Just wanted to add my 2「 about the above image you all have been discussing.

Some people, when making a web page, do not properly resize images and use the html to resize them to the size they want it, without regard to proportions. That's what believe happened with this image at: http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/15/2nd-grade-boy-disappears-walking-down-school-hallway-to-class/

The image on the right is more like the original. The one on the left, has been resized just to fit the space on the page. (And looks squashed vertically..)

I think he looks normal, although the light reflections on his glasses does make his eyes appear somewhat blurred or watery when blown up.

Below is the original image they used for the close-up, and you can see his face is not all squashed and flattened.
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/FAMOUS.png)



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Scatty on April 24, 2011, 04:57:36 PM
Post by Lea Conner from BOC which, after reading, leaves me with two comments/questions:  1) the part where Lea said "Both Ms. Young and Mr. Horman rarely use Kyron痴 first name and instead use the pronoun 塗e., reminds me of the times those of us post on Caylee Anthony's tread have taken note that the Anthony's, including Casey, referred often of Caylee as "that little girl"; and 2) we know Terri says she sent an email to the teacher asking "when" she could pick up the exhibit, but we don't know if the tearcher ever replied back...but...LE ended up taking the exhibit as evidence....do we know if there were other exhibits (other than Kyron's) still at the school at the end of the day on Friday?

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/

Lea Conner says:
April 23, 2011 at 9:21 pm
puzzled says: April 23, 2011 at 1:20 pm
兎veryone痴 been hearing this week about the iphones and androids storing usage data think LE has all they need of TH痴 travel and communication by her cell phone? being as KY works in IT, guessing he and TH would have the latest in phone gadgets, eh?

Miss Bri says: April 23, 2011 at 2:19 pm
的 also assumed TMH and KH would have fairly new smartphones. KH and DY were asked if the emails sent to DY from TMH on June 4th could have been sent from her cell phone. At about 7:22 minutes in to the audio interview DY starts talking about the unusual amount of emails she received from TMH and at 8:05 minutes in KH says (in response to if the emails could have been sent from a phone) 鉄he doesnt haveit came from her account, I dont think she has..(unable to make out the rest of the sentence) I got the impression KH was saying TMH doesnt have email/internet service or capabilities (JMO).

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/terri_hormans_emails_to_kyron.html

The issue with the iPhone is that the phone and the computer with which the phone is synced contain a file (consolidated.db) that logs highly detailed location data along with dates and times.
http://www.courbis.com/Location-iPhone-your-phone-is.html

This issue affects iPhone OS 4.X, for which the first beta software became available on April 8, 2010.
http://www.quickpwn.com/2010/04/download-iphone-os-4-0-beta-firmware.html

Given that Terri Horman apparently did not have an email-enabled cell phone, we can assume that she did not use an iPhone at the time of Kyron痴 disappearance.

The consolidated.db issue is a bit of a red herring, as the same information is logged by cell phone providers, regardless of whether the location data is stored locally. In other words, your cell phone痴 location is known to your cell phone provider regardless of whether you have an iPhone.

The audio from the Oregonian interview is very interesting, especially the very detailed account of why Terri Horman had to take Kaine Horman痴 truck in order to ensure the science fair project arrived without any damage:

Reporter: 釘ut why would she need a truck to pick up his science project? It wasn稚 this enormous thing, right?

Kaine Horman: 鉄he took it [the truck] to drop it [the science fair project] off, too. Her trunk is relatively small, and she didn稚 want it to get damaged.

Desiree Young: 添eah, it [the science fair project] wouldn稚 have fit in her car.

Kaine Horman: 的t might have fit but it was the concern about damage with the diorama, and that with the truck, you can put it in the back of the cab and prop it up nice, and you can put the diorama on the seat, and there痴 no risk of damage. So, she took it [the science fair project] in the truck [on Thursday June 3, 2010], too, so I didn稚 think anything of it, because she went to take him [Kyron] to drop him off for the science fair and the display, it had to be on display for, until 10 o団lock [on Friday June 4, 2010]. So, why would she go drop him [Kyron] off and then leave him there and then leave with the truck and not pick up the science project? That makes no sense to me at all now. Didn稚 think anything of it at the time. Her story was that they had walked through and done the project on Thursday, which I believe they had done.

Desiree Young: 添eah, correct.

Kaine Horman: 典hey had done their reports on Thursday, but it [the science fair project] still had to be on display for the science fair.

Desiree Young: 鼎orrect.

Kaine Horman: 鉄o, she dropped him [Kyron] off, and took the truck to drop him off and pick it [the science fair project] up, but since it had to stay there, she left without the project. And, thinking about it now, it痴 like, well, why would you need the truck to pick it up if it had to stay there? You pick it up after school. So, take the truck after school to go pick him [Kyron] up and the project, but why would you go pick up the project at 8:45 before the science fair even starts? It makes no sense.

http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/audio/interview.mp3

Neighbor confirmed that Kaine Horman was present at the school on Thursday June 3, 2010. That being the case, why does Mr. Horman discuss the issues as to Thursday as though he was never there and having to take Terri Horman痴 word for it?

More important, if Kaine Horman was at the school on Thursday, he would have known that the science fair went until 10 am on Friday June 4, 2010, as it was posted on the school痴 front reader board. If Mr. Horman failed to notice this and so did Ms. Horman, then Mr. Horman cannot complain that Ms. Horman had some kind of evil intent, as not even he picked up on the timing issue.

Mr. Horman was at the school on Thursday, and he was present for the presentation regarding science fair projects. So, when Friday rolled around, Mr. Horman should have known that Ms. Horman would not need the truck, because Ms. Horman could take Mr. Horman痴 truck after he returned home from work early afternoon, to pick up Kyron and his project.

On the other hand, Mr. Horman痴 was present at the school on Thursday. Given that the did not think there was anything unusual about Ms. Horman痴 alleged request to take the truck, can we deduce that both Mr. and Ms. Horman were mistaken as to the time when science fair projects could be picked up?

In my opinion, Mr. and Ms. Horman痴 actions indicate that both of the Hormans mistakenly believed the projects could be picked up at 8:45 am. Under those facts, how can we attach any evil intent to Ms. Horman using the truck on Friday?

On a separate issue, it was interesting to hear how Mr. Horman and Ms. Young refer to Kyron. Both Ms. Young and Mr. Horman rarely use Kyron痴 first name and instead use the pronoun 塗e. Not that it means anything, but the parents I deal with use first names for their children much more frequently than Kyron痴 parents.

I was also struck by the rather lengthy explanation of the science fair project. Is that normal for parents to go to such great lengths for a second-grade project made out of foam-core board and a shoebox, which though professional quality, could easily have been folded down and transported? Clearly, Ms. Young and Mr. Horman did not want that project to arrive nor leave with a single scratch. It just strikes me as a lot of drama.

If Mr. Horman and Ms. Young get that excited over foam-core board and a shoebox, is there any doubt that the rest of Kyron痴 school progress would merit equal attention and monitoring? If so, does it stand to reason that Mr. Horman and Ms. Young were also monitoring Kyron痴 color-card (behavioral) warnings at school?

I知 not saying that either of them did anything wrong, just that they seem like 塗elicopter parents who are extremely involved and interested in their child痴 progress. Given their detailed defense of the careful transport of the science fair project, I suspect that Mr. Horman, Ms. Young, and Ms. Horman were all quite involved in Kyron痴 schooling. This is, of course, my personal opinion.

(Having dealt with parents of the opposite ilk 斗et it ride types who don稚 monitor homework and believe low C痴 and D痴 are passing, I prefer parents who are on top of things.)



Oh my! This post really made me sad for some reason. Maybe cause it's gloomy outside; maybe it's the thought of DY and KH missing Kyle today and all they things they might have done together on Easter. Let's just say I disagree with the conclusions drawn here about people who are nothing like any of the Anthonys and are not trying to defend anyone that might have harmed a defenseless child.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on April 24, 2011, 05:40:55 PM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/Image75-1.png)

Just wanted to add my 2「 about the above image you all have been discussing.

Some people, when making a web page, do not properly resize images and use the html to resize them to the size they want it, without regard to proportions. That's what believe happened with this image at: http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/15/2nd-grade-boy-disappears-walking-down-school-hallway-to-class/

The image on the right is more like the original. The one on the left, has been resized just to fit the space on the page. (And looks squashed vertically..)

I think he looks normal, although the light reflections on his glasses does make his eyes appear somewhat blurred or watery when blown up.

Below is the original image they used for the close-up, and you can see his face is not all squashed and flattened.
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/FAMOUS.png)



Hi Brandi!

I agree about the resizing of pics on websites. They can make a pic appear distorted. Although there were only 2 references/comments to the pic, my reference was based on the original pic. I still think his eyes don't look right, and I'm not talking about the glare from the photo. JMO.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on April 24, 2011, 06:01:17 PM

Oh my! This post really made me sad for some reason. Maybe cause it's gloomy outside; maybe it's the thought of DY and KH missing Kyle today and all they things they might have done together on Easter. Let's just say I disagree with the conclusions drawn here about people who are nothing like any of the Anthonys and are not trying to defend anyone that might have harmed a defenseless child.

BBM

I'm not quite sure what you mean by that statement. The Anthony family and the Horman/Moultan family, is like comparing apples to oranges. Totally different dynamics wrt how they have been handling themselves publicly and privately, IMO. You don't have to be like an 'Anthony' family to fall under suspicion or be suspect to information being withheld within the Kyron case. As far as I'm concerned, wrt Kyron going missing, you have to look at everyone and every thing.

I would like to understand what you are saying in that statement. Thanks Scatty!  ::MonkeyWink::



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on April 24, 2011, 11:27:58 PM
My comparision to Kyron and Caylee's relatives was ONLY wrt their word usage of calling Caylee "that little girl" and calling Kyron "he".  I believe that is made clear in my writing. 



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on April 25, 2011, 03:15:18 AM

Kyron Horman's father thanks supporters with Easter egg hunt

http://www.kgw.com/news/Kyron-Hormans-Father-thanks-supporters-with-Easter-egg-hunt-120549099.html



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on April 25, 2011, 08:53:33 AM
Meant to post this yesterday. Sorry.

A post from BOC.


http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-92/#comments
 (http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-92/#comments)
neighbor says:
April 22, 2011 at 11:13 pm

enumclawrose says:
April 22, 2011 at 7:33 pm

I totally get your concerns and I agree with your #3. #2 is a scary thought. WHO can you trust? Is there anyone? Small group, say people you feel confident weren稚 there or couldn稚 (no opportunity) have done this and maybe brain storm from there? See an attorney one time and get information about your rights and maybe how to formally go about this. I feel so badly for you. I do think this is your 杜oment to act, not to put anymore pressure on you if that is possible, and (if it helps) I知 praying for you.

@Neighbor
What kept me so far is 1) I don稚 know the right vehicle to do this; 2) SZ might end up be part of this group; 3) legal issues such as having 妬ndependent witnesses. I still think that LE should have initiated a town hall meeting as B called it, but time has proven that they are not interested.

====
OK, here is the dilemma: I am told that LE thinks the accomplice is on 鍍he list. I learned this both 1st and 2nd hand (take this with a grain of salt, because I will not detail it.) That means that I suspect others as much as they might suspect me. Now assume that SZ would be in the meeting .. would you want this person to know who saw what and when?

____________________________________________

The list:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9183.0 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9183.0)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on April 25, 2011, 05:05:41 PM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/Image75-1.png)

Just wanted to add my 2「 about the above image you all have been discussing.

Some people, when making a web page, do not properly resize images and use the html to resize them to the size they want it, without regard to proportions. That's what believe happened with this image at: http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/15/2nd-grade-boy-disappears-walking-down-school-hallway-to-class/

The image on the right is more like the original. The one on the left, has been resized just to fit the space on the page. (And looks squashed vertically..)

I think he looks normal, although the light reflections on his glasses does make his eyes appear somewhat blurred or watery when blown up.

Below is the original image they used for the close-up, and you can see his face is not all squashed and flattened.
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/FAMOUS.png)



Hi Brandi!

I agree about the resizing of pics on websites. They can make a pic appear distorted. Although there were only 2 references/comments to the pic, my reference was based on the original pic. I still think his eyes don't look right, and I'm not talking about the glare from the photo. JMO.

I used the pic because it was an up close shot of Kyron's face. I have looked at several pics of Kyron and in my opinion, his eyes look different in the science fair pic. Not referencing the glare at all, but his eyes, the shape of his eyes and the brightness he usually has when smiling is dimmed in this pic of him. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on April 25, 2011, 09:33:28 PM

Kyron Horman's father thanks supporters with Easter egg hunt

http://www.kgw.com/news/Kyron-Hormans-Father-thanks-supporters-with-Easter-egg-hunt-120549099.html



Thank you Puzzler for bringing that here. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Gypsy DD on April 26, 2011, 01:26:36 PM
Here is the 2nd link/pic I was trying to post. I like this pic because it is up close. 

http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/15/2nd-grade-boy-disappears-walking-down-school-hallway-to-class/



Pics posted from TG's request post.

Here ya go TG. The 2nd pic is the day he went missing. The one thing I thought of, in that pic, from the first time I saw it, was that his eyes didn't seem right. He seems to have this, almost dreamy look in his eyes.


(http://static.oprah.com/images/tows/201009/20100915-kyron-horman-2-300x205.jpg) (http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/06/15/kyron-horman-blog.jpg)




I agree Sassi..he is semi smiling with his mouth, but not with the rest of his face..and his eyes look not just dreamy but something like the eyes of a kid on Benedryll or some other medicine.  This is not the happy Kyron proud of his scince fair project ..this is Kyron being told to smile and god knows what else that day.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Scatty on April 26, 2011, 01:47:28 PM
My comparision to Kyron and Caylee's relatives was ONLY wrt their word usage of calling Caylee "that little girl" and calling Kyron "he".  I believe that is made clear in my writing. 



Sorry Puzzler. I read too much into it. It was the gloomy depressing day I think; I got weepy everytime I thought about this kid still missing instead of hunting for easter eggs. I shouldn't have been on a missing child site, let alone try to post on one while depressed. I'm sorry you got the brunt of my miserable mood.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on April 26, 2011, 01:53:10 PM
My comparision to Kyron and Caylee's relatives was ONLY wrt their word usage of calling Caylee "that little girl" and calling Kyron "he".  I believe that is made clear in my writing. 



Sorry Puzzler. I read too much into it. It was the gloomy depressing day I think; I got weepy everytime I thought about this kid still missing instead of hunting for easter eggs. I shouldn't have been on a missing child site, let alone try to post on one while depressed. I'm sorry you got the brunt of my miserable mood.

No worries mate!!  Thank so much for the explanation.  I understand.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on April 26, 2011, 03:19:18 PM
Here is the 2nd link/pic I was trying to post. I like this pic because it is up close. 

http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/15/2nd-grade-boy-disappears-walking-down-school-hallway-to-class/



Pics posted from TG's request post.

Here ya go TG. The 2nd pic is the day he went missing. The one thing I thought of, in that pic, from the first time I saw it, was that his eyes didn't seem right. He seems to have this, almost dreamy look in his eyes.


(http://static.oprah.com/images/tows/201009/20100915-kyron-horman-2-300x205.jpg) (http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/06/15/kyron-horman-blog.jpg)




I agree Sassi..he is semi smiling with his mouth, but not with the rest of his face..and his eyes look not just dreamy but something like the eyes of a kid on Benedryll or some other medicine.  This is not the happy Kyron proud of his scince fair project ..this is Kyron being told to smile and god knows what else that day.

See that is the thing, in most all of the pics I have come across, Kyron doesn't just smile with his mouth but his eyes light up, his face perks up. In the sf pic, his expression doesn't seem like the happy kid in the other pics. Not sure if he was having a bad morning, was not feeling well, was under the influence of some kind of drug, but it says to me something was not right. I honestly get a sick feeling when I look at it.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: cw618 on April 26, 2011, 04:22:24 PM
snipped from
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9317.msg1330900#msg1330900

Quote
OK, here is the dilemma: I am told that LE thinks the accomplice is on 鍍he list. I learned this both 1st and 2nd hand (take this with a grain of salt, because I will not detail it.) That means that I suspect others as much as they might suspect me. Now assume that SZ would be in the meeting .. would you want this person to know who saw what and when?

dont see a SZ on the list, or im not understanding the SZ reference
anyway with this 2nd hand info,ill have to go back and look for a
layout of inside the school i posted,and asked Neighbor,if the stairs
in the back of the gym,actually go down to the kit area,i have to go for
now,ill look for it later,thanks for the post sassi

the list
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9183.0


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: akmom on April 26, 2011, 04:28:44 PM
snipped from
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9317.msg1330900#msg1330900

Quote
OK, here is the dilemma: I am told that LE thinks the accomplice is on 鍍he list. I learned this both 1st and 2nd hand (take this with a grain of salt, because I will not detail it.) That means that I suspect others as much as they might suspect me. Now assume that SZ would be in the meeting .. would you want this person to know who saw what and when?

dont see a SZ on the list, or im not understanding the SZ reference
anyway with this 2nd hand info,ill have to go back and look for a
layout of inside the school i posted,and asked Neighbor,if the stairs
in the back of the gym,actually go down to the kit area,i have to go for
now,ill look for it later,thanks for the post sassi

the list
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9183.0


cw, SZ refers to Subject Zero, an unknown possible perp.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: cw618 on April 26, 2011, 06:10:00 PM
quote myself
snipped from
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9317.msg1330900#msg1330900

Quote
OK, here is the dilemma: I am told that LE thinks the accomplice is on 鍍he list. I learned this both 1st and 2nd hand (take this with a grain of salt, because I will not detail it.) That means that I suspect others as much as they might suspect me. Now assume that SZ would be in the meeting .. would you want this person to know who saw what and when?

dont see a SZ on the list, or im not understanding the SZ reference
anyway with this 2nd hand info,ill have to go back and look for a
layout of inside the school i posted,and asked Neighbor,if the stairs
in the back of the gym,actually go down to the kit area,i have to go for
now,ill look for it later,thanks for the post sassi

the list
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9183.0


hi neighbor, in lite of the 2nd hand info,could you look here and tell me if
the stairs i asked about are still accessible and working,or are they even a
set stairs,could you get pics of those areas,TY
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9317.msg1304001#msg1304001

Quote
akmom
cw, SZ refers to Subject Zero, an unknown possible perp.

i sorta remember that now
TY




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on April 27, 2011, 06:50:16 AM
A post from BOC:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-95/#comments


Lea Conner says:
April 26, 2011 at 7:46 pm
Patricia says: April 26, 2011 at 3:51 pm

的n the Oregonian article by Maxine Berstein on 2/24/2011 she quotes Stanton as saying 禅he actual account of everyone and everything that was on that campus that day, we now know.樗
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/02/fbi_will_dedicate_up_to_six_ag.html
鉄o to me that says that LE believes that they are aware of every person and every vehicle that was there the day KY disappeared.

In my opinion, Sheriff Staton痴 statement does not mean that law enforcement is 殿ware of every person and every vehicle that was there

An explicit read of the statement (i.e. the meaning of the words on their face) is that law enforcement got reports (accounts) of 兎very person and every vehicle at Skyline Elementary on June 4, 2010.

Staton states that law enforcement has awareness. He does not use the word knowledge. There is a big difference, i.e. I am aware of the fact that Neighbor lives in the Skyline area, but I have no knowledge of his/her name nor do I otherwise know anything about him/her.

For all we know, (hypothetically) there is a description of the nameless guy who delivers copier paper, got there at 11 am and left at 11:10 am.

This is consistent with Blink痴 statement and the witness account of an unknown male seen with Kyron before he disappeared. Given that nobody has been arrested or charged, in all likelihood, nobody has a good description nor a name for the guy. However, law enforcement has interviewed everyone present and found out as much as they can about the person who was last seen with Kyron.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Idahogal says: April 26, 2011 at 3:26 pm
邸ERose- After reading your post and others, I remembered what Staton said in this KATU interview from Feb. 24, 2011:
(Snipped) Staton said investigators have followed 4,318 leads, 3,500 interviews have been done and there are 66 binders full of information about the case.
鄭ll 490 people who were at Skyline have been interviewed. The 54 vehicles in the school parking lot have been identified and their owners interviewed, he said.
鄭nd also snipped from this article on Feb. 24, 2011:
http://www.kgw.com/news/Sheriff-to-update-latest-on-Kyron-Horman-investigation-116491183.html
的n response to a query on whether the investigation was still on track, Multnomah County deputy district attorney Rod Underhill said yes.
典he goal, he said was 奏o create a case that is provable in a court of law to a standard of reasonable doubt. It is the highest standard available, relative to prosecution.樗 (snipped)

Idahogal:

The grand jury that was convened follows the same laws as any other grand jury. There is no 塗ighest standard available except what is already stated in Oregon statute.

In other words, the grand jury is not giving this case special treatment. Law enforcement and prosecutors are doing everything they can to get an indictment. The fact that nobody has been arrested is not a statement as to the efforts made to find Kyron. It is a statement of the skill of the person who pulled this off.

As someone said previously, an 殿lcohol soaked housewife would not be able to pull this off so skillfully.

In my mind, it does not follow that Terri Horman must have cooperated in order for the crime to have occurred. The profile Blink has set out is someone who knew Kyron and knew the family. For all we know, this person attended Kyron痴 soccer games and volunteered at community events involving children.

Sex offenders make it their mission to get the child alone. That is not the parent痴 fault that the sex offender harmed their child.

As we have all learned there are high profile volunteers (possibly past volunteers, at this point) in this school who have serious problems that, were parents aware of them, would probably be an issue to their involvement with children. People assume that the volunteers are screened. Even if they are, screening does not mean that the background check went further than a statewide check, nor does it mean that the school or organization conducted ongoing background checks.

Just as important, background checks are not shared with the parents. Scary stuff.




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on April 28, 2011, 05:48:33 PM
I wanted to make this post because I've had some suspicions/gut feelings about Kyrons glasses. When I've looked at all the photo's over and over again, I noticed how Kyrons face seems different, specifically in 2010. I couldn't pinpoint it until I started looking closer. Before you throw nanners at me, I realize that people can look different from photo to photo, but that's not what I was looking at. I was wondering how TH could possibly have done "horrible things" to Kyron, and the first thing I thought of was screwing around with his glasses. I could be wrong, but that's how it appears to me.

In November 2009, TH had a photo of Kyron with his square glasses that was labeled "At the eye doctor getting Kyron's glasses adjusted." See Link:

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/fbx/?set=a.1284523314226.2044075.1264414625#!/photo.php?fbid=1284531354427&set=a.1284523314226.2044075.1264414625&type=1&theater (http://www.facebook.com/media/set/fbx/?set=a.1284523314226.2044075.1264414625#!/photo.php?fbid=1284531354427&set=a.1284523314226.2044075.1264414625&type=1&theater)

In March of 2010, Kyron started wearing different frames. From March until June 2010, it appears to me that his frames change. It looks like 2 different frames.

March 2010

(http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad12/sass2heart/KyGlasses3_2010_2.jpg?t=1304026044)

May 2010

(http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad12/sass2heart/th_Ky_May2010_2.jpg?t=1304024914)

June 2010 (The week before he went missing)

(http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad12/sass2heart/th_KyGlassRndJune2010_2.jpg?t=1304024914)

June 2010 (The day he went missing)

(http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad12/sass2heart/th_KySF_2.jpg?t=1304024914)

The line up:

(http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad12/sass2heart/KyGlasses3_2010_2.jpg?t=1304026044)(http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad12/sass2heart/th_Ky_May2010_2.jpg?t=1304024914)(http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad12/sass2heart/th_KyGlassRndJune2010_2.jpg?t=1304024914)(http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad12/sass2heart/th_KySF_2.jpg?t=1304024914)




The glasses from March and June 2010 (The week before he went missing), appear to be the same shape (Oval). The glasses from May 2010 and June 2010 (The day he went missing appear to be the same shape, but more squared and larger; the bottom of the frame seems to lay lower of the cheek area.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: akmom on April 28, 2011, 07:37:03 PM
sassi, that is really, really, interesting.  I wore glasses and so have several of my kids.  You managed to hit the nail on the head, as far as something looking different in several of the pictures, that was nagging at me but yet couldn't put my finger on.  I don't know about everyone else, but usually my kids may have a pair of glasses, from a previous prescription, but only one of a current one, due to the high cost.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on April 28, 2011, 08:01:02 PM
sassi, that is really, really, interesting.  I wore glasses and so have several of my kids.  You managed to hit the nail on the head, as far as something looking different in several of the pictures, that was nagging at me but yet couldn't put my finger on.  I don't know about everyone else, but usually my kids may have a pair of glasses, from a previous prescription, but only one of a current one, due to the high cost.

Hi akmom! I agree. I wear glasses; one for the computer, and another for regular vision. I also keep my older prescriptions.

My thought was, what IF that woman (TH) was changing Kyrons glasses periodically. Would this make his 'color coding' at school change; meaning he wasn't doing as well on certain days because his vision wasn't right? Would she (TH) use that as an excuse to punish Kyron so she didn't have to deal with him?

I realize it's speculation, but I think it's a good speculation.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: neighbor on April 29, 2011, 12:37:53 PM
sassi, that is really, really, interesting.  I wore glasses and so have several of my kids.  You managed to hit the nail on the head, as far as something looking different in several of the pictures, that was nagging at me but yet couldn't put my finger on.  I don't know about everyone else, but usually my kids may have a pair of glasses, from a previous prescription, but only one of a current one, due to the high cost.

Hi akmom! I agree. I wear glasses; one for the computer, and another for regular vision. I also keep my older prescriptions.

My thought was, what IF that woman (TH) was changing Kyrons glasses periodically. Would this make his 'color coding' at school change; meaning he wasn't doing as well on certain days because his vision wasn't right? Would she (TH) use that as an excuse to punish Kyron so she didn't have to deal with him?

I realize it's speculation, but I think it's a good speculation.

interesting

The traffic light colors are used for behavior, not academic performance.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: monchichi on April 29, 2011, 05:18:19 PM
In this issue of the Skyline Ridgerunner, KHV has an ad for teenage boys willing to work, $8/hr.  She says they are boys she coaches playing soccer.  Why was she trying to find work for these boys?  This was from 2008.  Sorry, I couldn't seem to copy/paste from the pdf file.  I'm not so tech-savvy. :)

http://srnpdx.org/sites/default/files/RR1108web.pdf


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: monchichi on April 29, 2011, 05:24:35 PM
In this issue of the Skyline Ridgerunner, KHV has an ad for teenage boys willing to work, $8/hr.  She says they are boys she coaches playing soccer.  Why was she trying to find work for these boys?  This was from 2008.  Sorry, I couldn't seem to copy/paste from the pdf file.  I'm not so tech-savvy. :)

http://srnpdx.org/sites/default/files/RR1108web.pdf

She also states she will drop them off and pick them up later.  Was she taking a cut of their income, or was she just doing this to be nice?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: neighbor on April 29, 2011, 05:38:24 PM
In this issue of the Skyline Ridgerunner, KHV has an ad for teenage boys willing to work, $8/hr.  She says they are boys she coaches playing soccer.  Why was she trying to find work for these boys?  This was from 2008.  Sorry, I couldn't seem to copy/paste from the pdf file.  I'm not so tech-savvy. :)

http://srnpdx.org/sites/default/files/RR1108web.pdf

She also states she will drop them off and pick them up later.  Was she taking a cut of their income, or was she just doing this to be nice?

She coaches soccer at Indoor Goals and Skyline School, but I doubt that she would shuttle those kids around.  Maybe she was trying to put some of her foul mouthed older teens to work.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: monchichi on April 29, 2011, 05:53:37 PM
She coaches soccer at Indoor Goals and Skyline School, but I doubt that she would shuttle those kids around.  Maybe she was trying to put some of her foul mouthed older teens to work.

She says in the adds these are "kids I work with", playing "club soccer".  They were not her own children. This was an ongoing arrangement, her ad appeared in several issues of the Ridge Runner.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on April 30, 2011, 10:27:33 AM
sassi, that is really, really, interesting.  I wore glasses and so have several of my kids.  You managed to hit the nail on the head, as far as something looking different in several of the pictures, that was nagging at me but yet couldn't put my finger on.  I don't know about everyone else, but usually my kids may have a pair of glasses, from a previous prescription, but only one of a current one, due to the high cost.

Hi akmom! I agree. I wear glasses; one for the computer, and another for regular vision. I also keep my older prescriptions.

My thought was, what IF that woman (TH) was changing Kyrons glasses periodically. Would this make his 'color coding' at school change; meaning he wasn't doing as well on certain days because his vision wasn't right? Would she (TH) use that as an excuse to punish Kyron so she didn't have to deal with him?

I realize it's speculation, but I think it's a good speculation.

interesting

The traffic light colors are used for behavior, not academic performance.

I realize that neighbor, but what would be more frustrating to a child then not being able to see very well? Frustrations can easily lead to behavioral problems.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on April 30, 2011, 10:32:49 AM
She coaches soccer at Indoor Goals and Skyline School, but I doubt that she would shuttle those kids around.  Maybe she was trying to put some of her foul mouthed older teens to work.

She says in the adds these are "kids I work with", playing "club soccer".  They were not her own children. This was an ongoing arrangement, her ad appeared in several issues of the Ridge Runner.

Thanks for that link monchichi, and I agree with you; Kim was not referring to her sons. In 2008, Kim was coaching at Benson Polytechnic High School, so she was probably referring to them. She moved over to Skyline in 2009, as the coach.

http://www.oregonprepsports.net/girls-soccer/2008-schedules/Oregon/1-Benson (http://www.oregonprepsports.net/girls-soccer/2008-schedules/Oregon/1-Benson)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: cw618 on April 30, 2011, 11:34:25 AM
In this issue of the Skyline Ridgerunner, KHV has an ad for teenage boys willing to work, $8/hr.  She says they are boys she coaches playing soccer.  Why was she trying to find work for these boys?  This was from 2008.  Sorry, I couldn't seem to copy/paste from the pdf file.  I'm not so tech-savvy. :)

http://srnpdx.org/sites/default/files/RR1108web.pdf

She also states she will drop them off and pick them up later.  Was she taking a cut of their income, or was she just doing this to be nice?

She coaches soccer at Indoor Goals and Skyline School, but I doubt that she would shuttle those kids around.  Maybe she was trying to put some of her foul mouthed older teens to work.

did anyone see in other issues of the newsletter, if the parents had a problem, with the boys working
i know i would want to know about my kid working and for who,when,ect.

THE AD
Willing Workers. I have teenage boys that are willing to
work doing labor. They charge $8.00 an hour. These are
kids that I work with and have playing club soccer for me.
I bring them and pick them up. Call if you have odd jobs
that you need help with. Kim Holm *** ****
http://srnpdx.org/sites/default/files/RR1108web.pdf


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: monchichi on April 30, 2011, 09:24:25 PM

did anyone see in other issues of the newsletter, if the parents had a problem, with the boys working
i know i would want to know about my kid working and for who,when,ect.

THE AD
Willing Workers. I have teenage boys that are willing to
work doing labor. They charge $8.00 an hour. These are
kids that I work with and have playing club soccer for me.
I bring them and pick them up. Call if you have odd jobs
that you need help with. Kim Holm *** ****
http://srnpdx.org/sites/default/files/RR1108web.pdf


Thanks CW for copying the ad here.  I agree, I would want to know the details if my teenager was working under these circumstances.  It just seems odd to me.  Were they fundraising for soccer?  IDK.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: grace-land on April 30, 2011, 10:21:06 PM
Thank you to the monkeys that have been posting here with new insights and dedication and concern.   ::MonkeyAngel::
I came across an article that shows that his father is still actively committed to his son, Kyron.

http://www.kptv.com/news/27725564/detail.html

Search For Kyron Brought To Expo Center
Father Says Investigators 'Working Really Hard'

POSTED: 4:47 pm PDT April 29, 2011
UPDATED: 8:36 pm PDT April 29, 2011

PORTLAND, Ore. -- The father of missing Kyron Horman attended a consignment sale at the Expo Center on Friday in an effort to continue his mission to keep his son痴 picture out in the public.

 ::snipping2::

The FBI has several agents dedicated to the case, and the Kyron Horman Task Force continues to meet regularly, the sheriff痴 office says.

Kaine Horman, Kyron's father, says he's confident the investigation is still moving forward.

"They're working really hard, Kaine Horman says. 典here (are) a lot of resources working on the case, which is extremely encouraging."

Even though the one-year anniversary of Kyron痴 disappearance is nearing, Kaine Horman says he doesn稚 give that date much thought. He says he takes every day minute by minute, waiting for any news on his son.

"I'm hoping it's resolved every minute of every day, he says.

 ::snipping2::





Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Monkey King on April 30, 2011, 11:25:03 PM
I wanted to make this post because I've had some suspicions/gut feelings about Kyrons glasses. When I've looked at all the photo's over and over again, I noticed how Kyrons face seems different, specifically in 2010. I couldn't pinpoint it until I started looking closer. Before you throw nanners at me, I realize that people can look different from photo to photo, but that's not what I was looking at. I was wondering how TH could possibly have done "horrible things" to Kyron, and the first thing I thought of was screwing around with his glasses. I could be wrong, but that's how it appears to me.

In November 2009, TH had a photo of Kyron with his square glasses that was labeled "At the eye doctor getting Kyron's glasses adjusted." See Link:

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/fbx/?set=a.1284523314226.2044075.1264414625#!/photo.php?fbid=1284531354427&set=a.1284523314226.2044075.1264414625&type=1&theater (http://www.facebook.com/media/set/fbx/?set=a.1284523314226.2044075.1264414625#!/photo.php?fbid=1284531354427&set=a.1284523314226.2044075.1264414625&type=1&theater)

In March of 2010, Kyron started wearing different frames. From March until June 2010, it appears to me that his frames change. It looks like 2 different frames.

March 2010

(http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad12/sass2heart/KyGlasses3_2010_2.jpg?t=1304026044)

May 2010

(http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad12/sass2heart/th_Ky_May2010_2.jpg?t=1304024914)

June 2010 (The week before he went missing)

(http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad12/sass2heart/th_KyGlassRndJune2010_2.jpg?t=1304024914)

June 2010 (The day he went missing)

(http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad12/sass2heart/th_KySF_2.jpg?t=1304024914)

The line up:

(http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad12/sass2heart/KyGlasses3_2010_2.jpg?t=1304026044)(http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad12/sass2heart/th_Ky_May2010_2.jpg?t=1304024914)(http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad12/sass2heart/th_KyGlassRndJune2010_2.jpg?t=1304024914)(http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad12/sass2heart/th_KySF_2.jpg?t=1304024914)




The glasses from March and June 2010 (The week before he went missing), appear to be the same shape (Oval). The glasses from May 2010 and June 2010 (The day he went missing appear to be the same shape, but more squared and larger; the bottom of the frame seems to lay lower of the cheek area.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Monkey King on April 30, 2011, 11:26:01 PM
Someone please delete the above post.

I'll try again  :)

TIA!!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Monkey King on April 30, 2011, 11:29:28 PM
I wanted to make this post because I've had some suspicions/gut feelings about Kyrons glasses. When I've looked at all the photo's over and over again, I noticed how Kyrons face seems different, specifically in 2010. I couldn't pinpoint it until I started looking closer. Before you throw nanners at me, I realize that people can look different from photo to photo, but that's not what I was looking at. I was wondering how TH could possibly have done "horrible things" to Kyron, and the first thing I thought of was screwing around with his glasses. I could be wrong, but that's how it appears to me.

In November 2009, TH had a photo of Kyron with his square glasses that was labeled "At the eye doctor getting Kyron's glasses adjusted." See Link:

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/fbx/?set=a.1284523314226.2044075.1264414625#!/photo.php?fbid=1284531354427&set=a.1284523314226.2044075.1264414625&type=1&theater (http://www.facebook.com/media/set/fbx/?set=a.1284523314226.2044075.1264414625#!/photo.php?fbid=1284531354427&set=a.1284523314226.2044075.1264414625&type=1&theater)

In March of 2010, Kyron started wearing different frames. From March until June 2010, it appears to me that his frames change. It looks like 2 different frames.

March 2010

(http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad12/sass2heart/KyGlasses3_2010_2.jpg?t=1304026044)

May 2010

(http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad12/sass2heart/th_Ky_May2010_2.jpg?t=1304024914)

June 2010 (The week before he went missing)

(http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad12/sass2heart/th_KyGlassRndJune2010_2.jpg?t=1304024914)

June 2010 (The day he went missing)

(http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad12/sass2heart/th_KySF_2.jpg?t=1304024914)

The line up:

(http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad12/sass2heart/KyGlasses3_2010_2.jpg?t=1304026044)(http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad12/sass2heart/th_Ky_May2010_2.jpg?t=1304024914)(http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad12/sass2heart/th_KyGlassRndJune2010_2.jpg?t=1304024914)(http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad12/sass2heart/th_KySF_2.jpg?t=1304024914)




The glasses from March and June 2010 (The week before he went missing), appear to be the same shape (Oval). The glasses from May 2010 and June 2010 (The day he went missing appear to be the same shape, but more squared and larger; the bottom of the frame seems to lay lower of the cheek area.

Hey Sassi!!

Curious, that photo that was claimed to have  been taken in June, the day Kyron disappeared, it looks as though he is wearing a light colored shirt/top as you can vaguely see.  Kyron also looks like he just woke up or was caught off guard or something.

Who claims to have taken this picture?

Kyron was wearing a black shirt at school, so I am somewhat confused when it was taken that day.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on May 01, 2011, 08:43:12 AM
IMO, Kaine probably is not pressuring Terri at the point wrt the pending divorce.

http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/local/story/Kaine-Horman-wont-pressure-stepmom-Terri/vm8pVWDJbECGcyDItELx_A.cspx

Kaine Horman won't pressure stepmom, Terri


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: monchichi on May 01, 2011, 09:12:53 PM
http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Kyron-Horman-search-increases-search-and-rescue-volunteers-121060734.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on May 02, 2011, 01:02:09 PM
This was posted on BOC today by irisheyeswebfoot along with my reply.

 Note: Part of post is snipped to remove phone# and inappropriate links.

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-100/#comment-1687257 (http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-100/#comment-1687257)

#
sassifrass says:
May 2, 2011 at 10:52 am

irisheyeswebfoot says:
May 2, 2011 at 9:49 am

In this morning痴 Oregonian there is a personal message in the classifieds: 適aine Horman please call me regarding your son. 503-xxx-xxxx; 503-xxx-xxxx

The 503-xxx-xxxx number googles to a couple of names..Edie Levar from the Silverton area and 鉄exy Cinnamon in Portland area.

 ::snipping2::

The 503-xxx-xxxx shows up on Spokeo with the initials E. L., Female

O dear.
B

___________________
@ irisheyeswebfoot

503-xxx-xxxx

First Name EDITH Last Name LEVAR
Primary Address 1434 SW MORRISON ST City PORTLAND
State OR ZIP Code 97205
#
sassifrass says:
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
May 2, 2011 at 11:06 am

Levars address is the Bronaugh Apartments

They are among the Bedbug registry! ewwwwww!

_______________________________________

Here is the link to the ad:

http://classifieds.oregonlive.com/?orig_cat=&orig_prop=oregonlive.com&temp_type=browse&category=results&tp=ME_olive&property=oregonlive.com&classification=classifieds&allclassifieds=yes&keywords=kaine+horman (http://classifieds.oregonlive.com/?orig_cat=&orig_prop=oregonlive.com&temp_type=browse&category=results&tp=ME_olive&property=oregonlive.com&classification=classifieds&allclassifieds=yes&keywords=kaine+horman)

According to Spokeo, she lives in apt 3xx

http://www.spokeo.com/search?q=Edith%20Levar&g=name_map_www.peekyou.com_profile#:4602134621/info (http://www.spokeo.com/search?q=Edith%20Levar&g=name_map_www.peekyou.com_profile#:4602134621/info)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on May 02, 2011, 01:57:43 PM
courtesy of irisheyeswebfoot at BOC. Thanks! Looks like she's determined to talk to Kaine.I personally, IMO, think she is  ::MonkeyConfused:: :

http://pdxmugshots.com/mug/edith-ann-levar (http://pdxmugshots.com/mug/edith-ann-levar)

Charges:

    * FALSE REPORT (C Misdemeanor)

Booking Information
SWIS ID:    753038
Name:    Levar, Edith Ann
Age:    49
Gender:    Female
Race:    White
Height:    5 ft 5 in
Weight:    108 lbs
Hair:    Brown
Eyes:    Brown
Arresting Agency:    Portland Police, Central Precinct
Arrest Date:    1/30/2011 2:03 PM
Booking Date:    1/30/2011 2:29 PM
Current Status:    Released
Assigned Facility:    PERM
Projected Release Date:    Unknown
Release Date:    1/30/2011
Release Reason:    
Court Case No.    None    DA Case No.    None    Citation No.    None
Charge   Bail   Status
FALSE REPORT (C Misdemeanor)   $0   Disposed

(http://pdxmugshots.com/hotlink.php?id=524496)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on May 02, 2011, 04:08:32 PM
courtesy of irisheyeswebfoot at BOC. Thanks! Looks like she's determined to talk to Kaine.I personally, IMO, think she is  ::MonkeyConfused:: :

http://pdxmugshots.com/mug/edith-ann-levar (http://pdxmugshots.com/mug/edith-ann-levar)

Charges:

    * FALSE REPORT (C Misdemeanor)

Booking Information
SWIS ID:    753038
Name:    Levar, Edith Ann
Age:    49
Gender:    Female
Race:    White
Height:    5 ft 5 in
Weight:    108 lbs
Hair:    Brown
Eyes:    Brown
Arresting Agency:    Portland Police, Central Precinct
Arrest Date:    1/30/2011 2:03 PM
Booking Date:    1/30/2011 2:29 PM
Current Status:    Released
Assigned Facility:    PERM
Projected Release Date:    Unknown
Release Date:    1/30/2011
Release Reason:    
Court Case No.    None    DA Case No.    None    Citation No.    None
Charge   Bail   Status
FALSE REPORT (C Misdemeanor)   $0   Disposed

(http://pdxmugshots.com/hotlink.php?id=524496)

Looks like another can of worms to me!  Geesh!
Hope LE checks this out.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: monchichi on May 02, 2011, 05:45:04 PM
How curious.  I wonder if EL's false report was re: Kyron?  Or she is one of those that files all kinds of reports w/ LE?  Thanks for bringing that info over, Sassi.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: monchichi on May 02, 2011, 09:11:17 PM
The facebook page Missing Kyron Horman posted something about Katu's Thom Jensen "tracks down and catches up w/ Terri Horman".  Interesting they are not labeling it an interview.  I wonder if she says anything more than "no comment".  It is on Katu at 11pm tonight.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on May 03, 2011, 10:42:19 AM
Link posted by Idahogal from BOC. Thanks! Sorry, don't know how to post a video, so I'll just post the link.

Video:

Terri Horman tries to lay low in Roseburg

http://www.katu.com/news/local/121124909.html?tab=video (http://www.katu.com/news/local/121124909.html?tab=video)

Also, per Lea's post from BOC:

Kelley Day at KOIN is doing a special segment on Kyron Horman, to air on Tuesday May 3, 2011:

KOIN痴 segment will air at 11 pm on Tuesday May 3, 2011.

Segment will be posted to KOIN website, possibly on Wednesday May 4, 2011

http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=168182366573114&id=166771690047515
 (http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=168182366573114&id=166771690047515)



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: monchichi on May 03, 2011, 02:52:15 PM
Thanks Sassi, for posting the link.  I wasn't able to watch it last night.  Hopefully I can watch the other piece tonight.  Was it just me or did TMH get very red while she was being questioned?  I'm not surprised she didn't say a word.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: klaasend on May 03, 2011, 06:43:23 PM
Link posted by Idahogal from BOC. Thanks! Sorry, don't know how to post a video, so I'll just post the link.

Video:

Terri Horman tries to lay low in Roseburg

http://www.katu.com/news/local/121124909.html?tab=video (http://www.katu.com/news/local/121124909.html?tab=video)

Also, per Lea's post from BOC:

Kelley Day at KOIN is doing a special segment on Kyron Horman, to air on Tuesday May 3, 2011:

KOIN痴 segment will air at 11 pm on Tuesday May 3, 2011.

Segment will be posted to KOIN website, possibly on Wednesday May 4, 2011

http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=168182366573114&id=166771690047515
 (http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=168182366573114&id=166771690047515)





Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on May 04, 2011, 12:30:13 AM
Today is May 4, 2011, marking eleven months since Kyron went missing!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: grace-land on May 04, 2011, 12:43:57 AM
Today is May 4, 2011, marking eleven months since Kyron went missing!

Yes, it is.  I really thought that they would find Kyron.  What went wrong with this investigation?  ::MonkeyMad::



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on May 04, 2011, 09:42:10 AM
A new video about Kyrons case on Koin.


A study of the Kyron Horman case


http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/mediacenter/default.aspx?videoId=2431723&navCatId=22999 (http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/mediacenter/default.aspx?videoId=2431723&navCatId=22999)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: KittyMom on May 04, 2011, 10:01:50 AM
I think its great that the media is catching up with her.  She needs to know that she can't completely hide.  Her parents are doing a disservice to her and to Kyron by enabling her to keep lying. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Gypsy DD on May 04, 2011, 11:38:14 AM
I think its great that the media is catching up with her.  She needs to know that she can't completely hide.  Her parents are doing a disservice to her and to Kyron by enabling her to keep lying. 

ITA  ::rhino::

She is not an innocent bystander in this to any degree.  She may not have taken him from the school..but she knows dang well who did..of that I am sure.

If she has nothing to offer then she would have cleared herself long ago..she has made no attempt to do so.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on May 05, 2011, 12:55:32 PM
Intriguing post from BOC:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-103/#comments


jan says:
May 4, 2011 at 10:28 pm
@ enumclawrose says:
May 4, 2011 at 10:07 pm

Re: School Scrutiny
What teacher was rumored to be leaving on 6/1?
Why does the school go haywire when principal not there?

I find teachers FB pages shortly before and shortly after June 4 interesting.
See FB conversation on June 1, for example, by B. G.,the teacher who made comment about 電ressing in drag again for auction:

Brian Gardes
Just found out one of the teachers is leaving my school.June 1, 2010 at 9:49pm
Debbie Keefer I heard a rumor..

June 1, 2010 at 9:50pm
Brian Gardes
Thursday is the day the Principal is Out at an all day meeting.
It is also the day everything at a school goes haywire.June 3, 2010 at 10:36am via iPhone



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on May 05, 2011, 01:07:54 PM
I find the FB clips about the teacher leaving and everything going haywire at school very intriguing.

For some reason, I seem to recall that one of the female teachers was moving to Florida.

Also, would love to know what "haywire" means wrt to the happenings within the school. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: grace-land on May 06, 2011, 01:45:48 AM
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2011/05/vigil_for_kyron_horman_planned_for_mothers_day_in_roseburg.html

Vigil for Kyron Horman planned for Mother's Day in Roseburg
Published: Thursday, May 05, 2011, 1:09 PM     Updated: Thursday, May 05, 2011, 2:21 PM
By Lynne Terry, The Oregonian

A trio of women concerned about Kyron Horman, who's been missing for nearly a year, are holding a Mother's Day vigil on Sunday in Roseburg -- near the home of Terri Moulton Horman, the boy's stepmother.

"We're hoping the vigil will push Terri to talk," said Amy Walcott, one of the organizers.

Terri Horman, who's is in divorce proceedings with the boy's dad, Kaine Horman, has been living since last year in her childhood home with her parents. She is the last known person to have seen Kyron, touring a science fair with him the morning of June 4 at Skyline School.

She's not been named a person of interest but has remained the focus of the investigation, which includes FBI agents. She's said nothing publicly since his disappearance and retained a prominent defense attorney, Stephen Houze.

 ::snipping2::



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on May 06, 2011, 02:09:19 PM
I thought everyone would like to see these photo's. The album is titled:

Last Day of School at Skyline (This is one week after Kyron went missing in 2010)

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1470092079730&set=a.1470088119631.61907.1456451143&type=1&theater (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1470092079730&set=a.1470088119631.61907.1456451143&type=1&theater)


I liked this one. The photo on the projector screen says " Welcome to Frogtown"  ::MonkeyAngel::

(http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/35695_1470092079730_1456451143_1216543_717763_n.jpg)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: klaasend on May 06, 2011, 05:27:33 PM
I thought everyone would like to see these photo's. The album is titled:

Last Day of School at Skyline (This is one week after Kyron went missing in 2010)

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1470092079730&set=a.1470088119631.61907.1456451143&type=1&theater (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1470092079730&set=a.1470088119631.61907.1456451143&type=1&theater)


I liked this one. The photo on the projector screen says " Welcome to Frogtown"  ::MonkeyAngel::

(http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/35695_1470092079730_1456451143_1216543_717763_n.jpg)

Doesn't that person on the bottom right front row resemble Terri Horman?  Probably isn't her but from behind it does resemble her  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: monchichi on May 06, 2011, 06:05:13 PM
Per www.BringKyronHome.org, billboards are going back up locally...

I'm still trying to figure out adding the image. ;)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: monchichi on May 06, 2011, 06:07:44 PM
Per www.BringKyronHome.org, billboards are going back up locally...

I'm still trying to figure out adding the image. ;)

Unfortunately, I've lost any sense of optimism and now I just think they are trying to keep Kyron in people's thoughts. :(


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: starwynn on May 06, 2011, 07:16:33 PM
Today is May 4, 2011, marking eleven months since Kyron went missing!

Darnit, nearly a year already!  :(


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on May 06, 2011, 07:42:50 PM
I thought everyone would like to see these photo's. The album is titled:

Last Day of School at Skyline (This is one week after Kyron went missing in 2010)

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1470092079730&set=a.1470088119631.61907.1456451143&type=1&theater (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1470092079730&set=a.1470088119631.61907.1456451143&type=1&theater)


I liked this one. The photo on the projector screen says " Welcome to Frogtown"  ::MonkeyAngel::

(http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/35695_1470092079730_1456451143_1216543_717763_n.jpg)

Doesn't that person on the bottom right front row resemble Terri Horman?  Probably isn't her but from behind it does resemble her  ::MonkeyCool::

Klaas: It does look like her from behind but TH is fatter heavier and her hair was more of a 'carrot' orange when Kyron went missing. Well if I think about it, she did have her hair dyed the next week but I think we know she wouldn't have shown her face in that school.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on May 06, 2011, 07:48:37 PM
Per www.BringKyronHome.org, billboards are going back up locally...

I'm still trying to figure out adding the image. ;)

Unfortunately, I've lost any sense of optimism and now I just think they are trying to keep Kyron in people's thoughts. :(

Hang in there monchichi!  :smt056 I don't know why but for some reason, call it instinct, I feel a resolution is coming very soon. Kyron WILL get justice. I pray to God I'm right.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on May 06, 2011, 07:51:15 PM
Per www.BringKyronHome.org, billboards are going back up locally...

I'm still trying to figure out adding the image. ;)

I couldn't find that on the site. Did they change or remove it?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on May 06, 2011, 07:56:29 PM
One last post for the night. I have some stuff to post but I wanted to organize and edit it because it's way too long.  ::MonkeyTongue::

For tonight, right now, I say Justice for Kyron is coming!  ::justice2NJ:: Side note: Please watch out for Kyron 2NJ.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: monchichi on May 06, 2011, 08:08:03 PM
Per www.BringKyronHome.org, billboards are going back up locally...

I'm still trying to figure out adding the image. ;)

I couldn't find that on the site. Did they change or remove it?

Oops, I goofed, it's on the bringkyronhome twitter page:

snipped from google:

BringKyronHome‎ Kyron Horman billboards starting to go up again on local interstates and highways: twitpic.com/4u7hh7
Twitter - 22130
6 hours ago

http://twitter.com/#!/BringKyronHome (http://twitter.com/#!/BringKyronHome) Fixed link.  MB


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: monchichi on May 06, 2011, 08:13:18 PM
One last post for the night. I have some stuff to post but I wanted to organize and edit it because it's way too long.  ::MonkeyTongue::

For tonight, right now, I say Justice for Kyron is coming!  ::justice2NJ:: Side note: Please watch out for Kyron 2NJ.  ::MonkeyAngel::

Sassifrass-  Thank you for all you do for Kyron and for your kind words.  I pray to God that you are right and Kyron will have Justice.

 ::FlyingFrog::         ::FlyingFrog::         ::FlyingFrog::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: BabsKats on May 06, 2011, 08:14:54 PM
 I Check my local Wal-mart missing poster boards at least once a week....Kyron's had been removed several months ago but yesterday right in the center was a new "Kyron poster", was so glad to see it up again......(Decatur, Tx)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on May 06, 2011, 08:34:15 PM
Per www.BringKyronHome.org, billboards are going back up locally...

I'm still trying to figure out adding the image. ;)

I couldn't find that on the site. Did they change or remove it?

Oops, I goofed, it's on the bringkyronhome twitter page:

snipped from google:

BringKyronHome‎ Kyron Horman billboards starting to go up again on local interstates and highways: twitpic.com/4u7hh7
Twitter - 22130
6 hours ago

http://twitter.com/#!/BringKyronHome (http://twitter.com/#!/BringKyronHome) Fixed link.  MB

No worries. Here is the pic for you.  ::MonkeyKiss::

http://twitpic.com/4u7hh7 (http://twitpic.com/4u7hh7)

Under the photo the headline reads: Kyron Horman billboards starting to go up again on local interstates and highways:

(http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/large/292602427.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJF3XCCKACR3QDMOA&Expires=1304728125&Signature=ZXlCj1QTs8eMxbBNlGYwF4srKys%3D)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on May 06, 2011, 08:43:14 PM
Wow! That's weird. On preview the photo showed, but then it went poof!  ::MonkeyShocked::

Here is the photo, and it better stay!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/large/292602427.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJF3XCCKACR3QDMOA&Expires=1304729701&Signature=WjI9S4YWkOLBmtR7Lv85wp1Mbaw%3D)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on May 06, 2011, 08:45:27 PM
Good night Monkeys! May your dreams be filled with happiness. Keep your children safe.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on May 06, 2011, 09:47:49 PM
Wow! That's weird. On preview the photo showed, but then it went poof!  ::MonkeyShocked::

Here is the photo, and it better stay!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/large/292602427.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJF3XCCKACR3QDMOA&Expires=1304729701&Signature=WjI9S4YWkOLBmtR7Lv85wp1Mbaw%3D)

Ok, wth is happening? Why is the pic not showing now. If you quote this post you will see it is there but it doesn't show up on the thread again. It shows up when you first post it though, then it goes poof.

Klaas or mods? Can you explain?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: monchichi on May 06, 2011, 09:53:35 PM
I can see it, Sassi.  Thank you for posting it.  I am still trying to figure out how to do that.

I guess it's because of Mother's Day, but I am feeling seriously weepy today.  I can't believe it's almost a year later without any real progress.  I just can't shake the blues.  I cannot begin to imagine what Desiree is going through right now. :(


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on May 06, 2011, 11:01:27 PM
Wow! That's weird. On preview the photo showed, but then it went poof!  ::MonkeyShocked::

Here is the photo, and it better stay!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/large/292602427.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJF3XCCKACR3QDMOA&Expires=1304729701&Signature=WjI9S4YWkOLBmtR7Lv85wp1Mbaw%3D)

Ok, wth is happening? Why is the pic not showing now. If you quote this post you will see it is there but it doesn't show up on the thread again. It shows up when you first post it though, then it goes poof.

Klaas or mods? Can you explain?

Sorry, a bit off topic.

Well, thanks to my tech guru hubby, I found out that the pic disappears because of security bandwidth.

This is his quote ( he's typing this)  Hubby said he would never go on these forums. ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hiya Monkeys!  I hope all of your search efforts are going well and that you track down what you are looking for!  Those kids need all the help they can get!  Now, to what I was trying to explain...

When linking an image from a remotely hosted site, it is possible that the site will restrict access to that image unless you are expressly viewing it on their web page.  This is primarily because of bandwidth, but also for hosting credit.  When a linked image is posted in a forum (I'm assuming this is the case here at scared monkeys, it is the case at every forum I participate in.)  when the image is displayed on the forum it is from a direct connection to the hosted site.  Because of this, bandwidth to the hosted site is used up, and many sites don't appreciate having their bandwidth used without credit.  Linking to the website is typically better because it opens to the hosted site, giving them full credit, and they experience expected bandwidth usage by displaying their web page.

I'm not sure if that is the case in this instance, but I simply offer this as a possible explanation.  Enough of that though...  go find those kids and I turn the floor back over to my better half!  Cheers and have a great weekend! :)



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: klaasend on May 06, 2011, 11:04:48 PM
Wow! That's weird. On preview the photo showed, but then it went poof!  ::MonkeyShocked::

Here is the photo, and it better stay!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/large/292602427.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJF3XCCKACR3QDMOA&Expires=1304729701&Signature=WjI9S4YWkOLBmtR7Lv85wp1Mbaw%3D)

Ok, wth is happening? Why is the pic not showing now. If you quote this post you will see it is there but it doesn't show up on the thread again. It shows up when you first post it though, then it goes poof.

Klaas or mods? Can you explain?

Sorry, a bit off topic.

Well, thanks to my tech guru hubby, I found out that the pic disappears because of security bandwidth.

This is his quote ( he's typing this)  Hubby said he would never go on these forums. ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hiya Monkeys!  I hope all of your search efforts are going well and that you track down what you are looking for!  Those kids need all the help they can get!  Now, to what I was trying to explain...

When linking an image from a remotely hosted site, it is possible that the site will restrict access to that image unless you are expressly viewing it on their web page.  This is primarily because of bandwidth, but also for hosting credit.  When a linked image is posted in a forum (I'm assuming this is the case here at scared monkeys, it is the case at every forum I participate in.)  when the image is displayed on the forum it is from a direct connection to the hosted site.  Because of this, bandwidth to the hosted site is used up, and many sites don't appreciate having their bandwidth used without credit.  Linking to the website is typically better because it opens to the hosted site, giving them full credit, and they experience expected bandwidth usage by displaying their web page.

I'm not sure if that is the case in this instance, but I simply offer this as a possible explanation.  Enough of that though...  go find those kids and I turn the floor back over to my better half!  Cheers and have a great weekend! :)



Yep, that is the reason. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: neighbor on May 07, 2011, 12:09:18 AM
I thought everyone would like to see these photo's. The album is titled:

Last Day of School at Skyline (This is one week after Kyron went missing in 2010)

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1470092079730&set=a.1470088119631.61907.1456451143&type=1&theater (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1470092079730&set=a.1470088119631.61907.1456451143&type=1&theater)


I liked this one. The photo on the projector screen says " Welcome to Frogtown"  ::MonkeyAngel::

(http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/35695_1470092079730_1456451143_1216543_717763_n.jpg)

Doesn't that person on the bottom right front row resemble Terri Horman?  Probably isn't her but from behind it does resemble her  ::MonkeyCool::

Klaas: It does look like her from behind but TH is fatter heavier and her hair was more of a 'carrot' orange when Kyron went missing. Well if I think about it, she did have her hair dyed the next week but I think we know she wouldn't have shown her face in that school.

It is not TMH. The picture was taken after Jun/4 at the close of the 2009/2010 school year.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on May 07, 2011, 01:07:33 PM
O/T

Klaasend - the picture of your mom - it's beautiful.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on May 07, 2011, 03:08:46 PM
I thought everyone would like to see these photo's. The album is titled:

Last Day of School at Skyline (This is one week after Kyron went missing in 2010)

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1470092079730&set=a.1470088119631.61907.1456451143&type=1&theater (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1470092079730&set=a.1470088119631.61907.1456451143&type=1&theater)


I liked this one. The photo on the projector screen says " Welcome to Frogtown"  ::MonkeyAngel::

(http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/35695_1470092079730_1456451143_1216543_717763_n.jpg)

Doesn't that person on the bottom right front row resemble Terri Horman?  Probably isn't her but from behind it does resemble her  ::MonkeyCool::

Klaas: It does look like her from behind but TH is fatter heavier and her hair was more of a 'carrot' orange when Kyron went missing. Well if I think about it, she did have her hair dyed the next week but I think we know she wouldn't have shown her face in that school.

It is not TMH. The picture was taken after Jun/4 at the close of the 2009/2010 school year.

I had to do a double take! Not her but yet another woman with natural red hair. That area has a lot of natural red heads compared to my area anyway. (I happen to spend quite a lot of money to get my red hair,lol)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on May 07, 2011, 03:10:10 PM
I find the FB clips about the teacher leaving and everything going haywire at school very intriguing.

For some reason, I seem to recall that one of the female teachers was moving to Florida.

Also, would love to know what "haywire" means wrt to the happenings within the school. 

It is interesting..Who moved to Florida? Do you have a name?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on May 07, 2011, 03:14:22 PM
IMO, Kaine probably is not pressuring Terri at the point wrt the pending divorce.

http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/local/story/Kaine-Horman-wont-pressure-stepmom-Terri/vm8pVWDJbECGcyDItELx_A.cspx

Kaine Horman won't pressure stepmom, Terri

Not meant as a slam against Kaine, I am not sure if I agree with him on this one.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on May 07, 2011, 06:11:52 PM
I find the FB clips about the teacher leaving and everything going haywire at school very intriguing.

For some reason, I seem to recall that one of the female teachers was moving to Florida.

Also, would love to know what "haywire" means wrt to the happenings within the school. 

It is interesting..Who moved to Florida? Do you have a name?

No name...it was something I read waayyy back, right when I first started following this case (and wasn't collecting any info at the time)...but recall it was a female, moving to Florida and "maybe" that she was getting married - if that helps.  Sorry.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: monchichi on May 07, 2011, 08:51:24 PM
<snipped>

New billboards were also drawing attention to the search. They were set up along Interstate 205, Highway 16 and Interstate 5.

More of them were expected to go up in Roseburg and Medford.

http://www.nwcn.com/home/?fId=121447704&fPath=/news/local&fDomain=10202


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on May 08, 2011, 01:00:37 PM
Happy Mothers Day Monkeys and Desiree!  ::MonkeyAngel::


(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Kyron%20Horman%20%20-OR-/Photos%20of%20Kyron/kh4.jpg)



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on May 08, 2011, 01:04:53 PM
Happy Mothers Day Monkeys and Desiree!  ::MonkeyAngel::


(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Kyron%20Horman%20%20-OR-/Photos%20of%20Kyron/kh4.jpg)



This is a great picture of Mother and Son.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on May 08, 2011, 09:10:19 PM
My thoughts and prayers are with Desiree today. May God shed his loving light upon her and help ease her pain as she spends the day still wondering where her precious child is. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: grace-land on May 08, 2011, 10:31:05 PM
http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/local/story/Mothers-Day-vigil-for-Kyron-Horman/AGOldILECEmoN3NFCgbAZA.cspx

Mother's Day vigil for Kyron Horman
Reported by: Gene Greer
Published: 1:38 pm Share Updated: 7:01 pm

ROSEBURG, Ore. - A group of mothers, along with family, friends and supporters of the search for Kyron Horman, gather in Roseburg Sunday evening, to hold another vigil seeking closure of the case.

The group chose Mother's Day to focus attention on the search for Kyron, more than 11 months after he disappeared from his Skyline-area home in Portland. They chose Roseburg because that's where Kyron's step-mother, Terri Horman, now lives. Athough Terri Horman has never been named as a suspect, or as a "person of interest", several people appear to hold her responsible and have been calling on her to "come clean" and help bring closure to the case. Kyron's biological mother, Desiree Young, has held previous vigils and other events in Terri's neighborhood, trying to pressure her into providing more information.

 ::snipping2::



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: monchichi on May 09, 2011, 01:34:22 AM
It may have been posters at Blinks, I'm not sure, but some were wondering about MCSO's presence at Kidfest and I thought I'd share this from the MCSO publication "The Green Hornet":

This year's Kid Fest was a huge success! MCSO met 499 families and made 866 fingerprint and identification kits to keep Multnomah County kids safe.

 



Sheriff Staton and Chief Deputy Gates offering their help

 

See you next year!

<end snip>

It appears they do this every year.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on May 09, 2011, 05:59:10 PM
Remember some of the last names I have mentioned in a lot of my post?

Pulliam: (Beanna Pulliam (Avery痴 girlfriend) & Jeff Pulliam (Breanna痴 father who owns property on NW Johnson rd near Kyron痴 search grid area and where Javier Trejo痴 body was found)

Trejo: Javier Trejo ( Body was found on NW Skyline Blvd. near the Kyron search grid.

Looking at my old notes, I had forgotten that I had copied a close friend of TH痴 FB (37 pages) before it went private. When I looked at Kerry Sama Rubio痴 FB, she had an photo album titled : Trejo Wedding. Kerry is also one of Terri痴 friends who痴 home was searched.

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1518214036802.2069832.1278036702
 (http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1518214036802.2069832.1278036702)

When I saw the name Trejo I looked at the bride and grooms FB ( Amanda Anthony Trejo) Her maiden name is actually Amanda Bergum, but they made one FB together, him being Anthony Trejo. On it, a Family member was listed as Nick Trejo.

http://www.facebook.com/amanda.bergum (http://www.facebook.com/amanda.bergum)

I looked at Nick Trejo痴 FB and it listed his brother as Jake Pulliam.

http://www.facebook.com/ntrejo20 (http://www.facebook.com/ntrejo20)

Jake Pulliam痴 FB page:

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000288826461 (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000288826461)

Some of the Family Members live in California, which is where Javier Trejo痴 family was from, and some of them live in Oregon.

I didn稚 have time to look further to see if or how these names are linked because it痴 not an easy or immediate process. I will follow up and post what ever I come up with.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on May 09, 2011, 11:30:44 PM
Sassifrass - TY - very interesting post.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: monchichi on May 10, 2011, 12:08:28 AM
Yes, Sassi- very interesting post.  Also, wasn't Kerry's name mentioned in the infamous MC sext messages?  Was she one of the people who purchased the throw-away cell phones? 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Kokos Cat on May 10, 2011, 12:20:16 AM
Very interesting, Sassi.  Thanks for continuing to look into this.... Was the cause of Trejo's death ever determined? 



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on May 10, 2011, 11:48:28 AM
Sassi,
Your diligence is admirable and your posts are always thought provoking.
Thank you to you and all of the Monkeys who are able to contribute in an effort to find the missing.
You ROCK!

May God shine his light brightly so that Kyron is found.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on May 10, 2011, 01:57:33 PM
Interesting sass. Has anything been released at all about any of the dead bodies found? What about DAD? they have yet to find him, is that correct?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on May 10, 2011, 05:07:43 PM
Yes, Sassi- very interesting post.  Also, wasn't Kerry's name mentioned in the infamous MC sext messages?  Was she one of the people who purchased the throw-away cell phones? 

BBM

That would be correct monchichi. As far as the phones, no. That was Karen Sharpes Wu and Dede.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on May 10, 2011, 05:09:32 PM
Very interesting, Sassi.  Thanks for continuing to look into this.... Was the cause of Trejo's death ever determined? 



Hi Koko!  ::MonkeyKiss:: Miss you.

They have not released any info on the cause of death of Javier. I'm going to try and find out though.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on May 10, 2011, 05:10:20 PM
Sassi,
Your diligence is admirable and your posts are always thought provoking.
Thank you to you and all of the Monkeys who are able to contribute in an effort to find the missing.
You ROCK!

May God shine his light brightly so that Kyron is found.

Thank you very much PML. I sure appreciate that!  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on May 10, 2011, 05:13:59 PM
Interesting sass. Has anything been released at all about any of the dead bodies found? What about DAD? they have yet to find him, is that correct?

Hi TG! There has been nada about DAD. Currently, I'm focused on the Trejo/Pulliam/Villarreal/Holms ties. It's a family affair.  ::MonkeyCool::  ::MonkeyShovel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Kokos Cat on May 10, 2011, 08:30:16 PM
 ::MonkeyKiss::
Thanks Sassi!
 ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on May 11, 2011, 01:22:58 AM
Interesting sass. Has anything been released at all about any of the dead bodies found? What about DAD? they have yet to find him, is that correct?

Hi TG! There has been nada about DAD. Currently, I'm focused on the Trejo/Pulliam/Villarreal/Holms ties. It's a family affair.  ::MonkeyCool::  ::MonkeyShovel::

Sassi - TY

You're such a good sleuther.

Trejo, et al, is interesting. 

I hope the media will put out more about Trejo's death...but somehow I doubt it will happen.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on May 11, 2011, 01:45:22 AM
Here's a post from BOC by Lea Conner, who is asking if anyone has a copy of a certain media article - interest, too, because Lea is asking about a post that was originally made on Scared Monkeys by  d in Texas.  So I thought I would post her question here and if any monkey made a screen shot, etc., hopefully you will share it with the rest of us.

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-108/#comments

Lea Conner says:
May 10, 2011 at 10:37 am
(Snipped)

On a related issue, does anyone recall a news article or 都nap shots of a certain news article that was deleted that noted the existence of a home video taken at the science fair that 田ontained approximately 45 seconds of time stamped footage that showed missing second grader Kyron Horman walking closely with an unidentified adult in the background shortly before 9 am?

Does anyone here have a copy of the original article (screen gr