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Title: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 - 4/11/12
Post by: MuffyBee on February 07, 2011, 11:10:58 PM
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Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on May 23, 2011, 07:57:39 PM
Let's pray this thread brings Kyron home.  ::MonkeyAngel::

Thanks for the smooth ride Muffy!  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: TnMuse on May 23, 2011, 08:10:13 PM
Lord, take care of our missing angels
Watch and protect them from above
Share with them our heartfelt prayers
So they feel our warmth and love


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Amys Sister on May 23, 2011, 08:49:13 PM
Let's pray this thread brings Kyron home.  ::MonkeyAngel::

Thanks for the smooth ride Muffy!  ::MonkeyKiss::

Exactly what I was silently wishing.

Sassi (I secretly call you Sassipants in my head because that's my nickname for my pomeranian who has the fluffiest bottom you ever saw  ::piggy::), thank you for your warmth and kind words.

**not that I think you have a fluffy bottom   ::MonkeyHaHa::

You know what picture of Kyron is my favorite?  The Easter photo with his truck basket on his head... he's just living in the moment being a little boy and expressing his silliness. 

 ::MonkeyAngel::

 



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: akmom on May 23, 2011, 11:51:32 PM
Lord, take care of our missing angels
Watch and protect them from above
Share with them our heartfelt prayers
So they feel our warmth and love

Love this ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on May 24, 2011, 04:46:41 AM
The weather has gotten so much nicer.  I'm surprised there have been no searches going on for Kyron.
Is it that MCSO has run out of funds for the year (their year-end is June 30) or have they run out of places to search.  The past few places on Dixie Mountain were suggested by FBI profilers back in November.  I remember LE had to wait for the weather to get so warm before they could make those searches.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on May 24, 2011, 08:01:34 AM
Let's pray this thread brings Kyron home.  ::MonkeyAngel::

Thanks for the smooth ride Muffy!  ::MonkeyKiss::

Exactly what I was silently wishing.

Sassi (I secretly call you Sassipants in my head because that's my nickname for my pomeranian who has the fluffiest bottom you ever saw  ::piggy::), thank you for your warmth and kind words.

**not that I think you have a fluffy bottom   ::MonkeyHaHa::

You know what picture of Kyron is my favorite?  The Easter photo with his truck basket on his head... he's just living in the moment being a little boy and expressing his silliness. 

 ::MonkeyAngel::

 



 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Hubby has called me sassi for the past 11 years, but he's never called me sassipants. Probably because I don't have a furry bottom.  ::MonkeyWink::

I like the easter photo too. You can tell he has a sense of humor.

(http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/24370_1437468177752_1264414625_1246756_723289_n.jpg)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: melisb on May 24, 2011, 08:44:24 AM
When I first saw this photo of him with the Easter basket truck on his head a year ago, I knew I was in love with this beautiful little boy.  Wicked sense of humor!   He and my son would make great friends.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on May 24, 2011, 03:56:02 PM
I'm feeling a bit discouraged today. I think I have made a big mistake by reading the post' on BOC. Don't get me wrong, they are pretty good sleuthers over their, but they're distracting to me. There's something I'm missing and I can't put my finger on it.

Just to clear my head, I'm going to take a few days off and do something fun for myself for a change. Then I'm going to go through all of my notes, and source material, and refresh myself to a get better insight. I'm doing this for Kyron.

Hopefully, I'll get out of this fog and move forward, because right now, today, I have nothing to offer.

See you Monkeys in a few days.  ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: melisb on May 25, 2011, 01:59:28 AM
Take all the time you need Sassi!  Hurry back to us and maybe just maybe you'll have some good news for us!  It's very sad that our kids on here are still out there with no end in sight and it's heavy on the heart.  We all understand when a Monkey needs any time away.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: monchichi on May 25, 2011, 12:29:33 PM
For anyone who hasn't seen this:

"Kaine describes what Terri told him about Kyron's disappearance"

http://www.katu.com/news/local/122554994.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on May 25, 2011, 07:53:51 PM
TU Monchichi for article/video.

I noticed a few things; new to me.  No scheduled doctors appt for that Friday and TH on 2 Fred Meyer stores video surveillance.  Also a hint at an underlying disagreement about Kyron needing to see a doctor for something? 

I hope Little man Kyron is found everyday and will continue to do so until he is.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on May 25, 2011, 08:50:43 PM
 ::HelloKitty::

I wonder how that works with Terri and doctor's appts and Kyron.  I wonder if she had some kind of permission to make appts for him and get the info?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: melisb on May 25, 2011, 11:08:48 PM
Hello HelloKitty!  I'm 100% sure that since TH was the primary stay at home parent that all appts. and reg daytime activities regarding Ky and his sister were left to TH.  Kaine and Desiree would only come on special occ., emergencies and days off.  That is just typical parent duties stepparent or not.  Since TH had been tending to Ky from almost birth and DY living so far away it would only be natural for her to assume these responsibilities.  DY doesn't seem like the grudge holding type to say "you can not take Kyron to any of his appts., you must call me or have Kaine do it"!  If my hubby was the main bread winner and I'm the stay at home parent those duties would be my pleasure!  As I'm sure most of the Monkeys have this role.  Somehow I feel like I'm coming off snotty and I really don't mean to, please forgive me HK.  This is all MOO in attempt to say what I think the situation was in the Horman home.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on May 25, 2011, 11:32:55 PM
 ::HelloKitty::

I am just referring to the legality of it.  I am wondering if she had carte blanche to do as she wished with appointments.  Since she is not the legal mother, I would think some kind of paperwork would be required by the doctor's office.

Did she have the legal right to do that?  Bring him to the doctor under her orders or would she need the permission of the father or the mother?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: melisb on May 26, 2011, 09:17:03 AM
Yes ma'am she would be able to take him to the doc w/o any questions asked unless KH or DY took him to his very first appt and established some sort of protocol with the doc ofc first.  If she took him in and has the same last name they would never question it.  Knowing TH like I think I do she patted herself on the back for being a stepparent and taking Kyron to the doc.  Remember, she was the only one crediting herself for finding that he needed glasses early on.  I will have to give her a cookie for that, it's extrememly vital to a childs learning to be able to see clearly and hear correctly.  My Mom took my Son to the doc often while I worked (super preemie)after my first year and I had to fill out paperwork to allow her but that was only because it was known I was the Mother.  I did work in a doctor's ofc for 1 1/2 yrs a few years back and unless there were custody issues that we had to know about or a bio Mom or Dad raised an issue we never knew if the person bringing in the child was a step or not. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on May 26, 2011, 11:12:12 AM
TU Monchichi for article/video.

I noticed a few things; new to me.  No scheduled doctors appt for that Friday and TH on 2 Fred Meyer stores video surveillance.  Also a hint at an underlying disagreement about Kyron needing to see a doctor for something? 

I hope Little man Kyron is found everyday and will continue to do so until he is.

The alleged spaciness/possible seizure activity seems serious enough that it would have been topic of discussion for all parents, including D and TY. We know from reports that according to DY, TH contacted her often via email. We also know that there were purchases of bat phones early on. Did TH ever contact DY via telephone (Be it home phone, bat phone, pay phone etc...) or were their conversations limited strictly to emails?
If your Child, be it stepChild or not, had episodes of possible seizures wouldn't you want to speak to the other Parent(s) directly about this?
If so, That topic of discussion would most likely include possible causes I would think.

It seems that KH never felt the need to do drive detail when it came to soothing BabyK. It isn't a requirement, but it's certainly not unheard of. (I've done it several times and not just for earaches LOL! It worked wonders for colic and general crankiness too.)
Who's idea was it to limit Kyron to his bedroom in the am until he was given permission? Why?

TH had sent her older Son to live elsewhere and it seemed important enough for KH to confirm with the media early on that he had a good relationship with him. IIRC We heard this from KH himself. Why was it necessary for him to do that?

Why is it necessary for DY to borderline harrass TH when thusfar TH has not been named as a suspect in the case?

afaik there haven't been any updates on the search for D.A.D.
I do wonder why he was so paranoid about LE. So much so that he shot an officer.

Yes, I am chock full of questions this morning, including, but not limited to, if she had the support of TH also (proof via emails?), why didn't DY take KH back into family court to seek modification of custody, or did she? Why? Why not?

PS Good Morning Sunshines :)
 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on May 26, 2011, 11:14:37 AM
I am also curious as to the lack of acknowledgement of alleged seizure activity and/or questioning of why the sudden onset?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on May 26, 2011, 11:40:55 AM
 ::HelloKitty::

The seizure info came from Terri. Made it up?

The doctor records would list the birth info of Kyron and I would hope that the office would notice that Terri is not the mother.

Where I live, doctor's offices are very concerned about privacy issues and only granting the right to the proper person for medical treatment.  They would be in a world of lawsuit if they let just anyone bring a patient in to see a doctor.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on May 26, 2011, 11:44:56 AM
 ::HelloKitty::

Why is DY "borderline harassing" TH?

Because DY believes that TH knows or did something to her child.  What would you do in that case?  Sit by on your hands or would you be screaming from the rooftops?  She is the mother of a missing child.  How horrifying is that?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on May 26, 2011, 11:49:47 AM
::HelloKitty::

The seizure info came from Terri. Made it up?

The doctor records would list the birth info of Kyron and I would hope that the office would notice that Terri is not the mother.

Where I live, doctor's offices are very concerned about privacy issues and only granting the right to the proper person for medical treatment.  They would be in a world of lawsuit if they let just anyone bring a patient in to see a doctor.

Maybe, then again, maybe not?

As far as the issue regarding the alleged Dr. Appt.
Apparently TH did not take Kyron to the Dr. Appt for the alleged seizure activity. KH appears to have no knowledge of said alleged Dr. Appt. It is curious isn't it?
What are his thoughts regarding alleged seizure activity?
Was he concerned?
If TH had no right to take Kyron to be seen by a Dr. regarding the alleged possible seizure activity it seems that this would be a huge point of contention, enough to contact the other Parent to seek advise in the matter no?




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on May 26, 2011, 11:53:13 AM
::HelloKitty::

Why is DY "borderline harassing" TH?

Because DY believes that TH knows or did something to her child.  What would you do in that case?  Sit by on your hands or would you be screaming from the rooftops?  She is the mother of a missing child.  How horrifying is that?

That seems to be a reasonable explanation. Then again, if true that TH is involved, wouldn't it be in the best interest of a living Kyron, that DY not anger the potential suspect?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on May 26, 2011, 11:54:59 AM
 ::HelloKitty::

I may be remembering incorrectly, but the only thing I know of seizure activity is an email that Terri sent to someone.  Not DY.

We don't know that KH or DY was ever told about this "seizure" activity. 

We have no idea if seizure activity existed.

If in fact he did have seizures, that is even more damning to TH who left him alone in a crowded out of control situation (her appraisal of it anyway)





Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on May 26, 2011, 11:57:19 AM
 ::HelloKitty::

For a year, they have tried all kinds of techniques with TH.  Nothing is working.

Why DY does what she does, I do not know.  She has more patience and grace than I would ever have under the circumstances. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on May 26, 2011, 12:02:05 PM
::HelloKitty::

I may be remembering incorrectly, but the only thing I know of seizure activity is an email that Terri sent to someone.  Not DY.

We don't know that KH or DY was ever told about this "seizure" activity. 

We have no idea if seizure activity existed.

If in fact he did have seizures, that is even more damning to TH who left him alone in a crowded out of control situation (her appraisal of it anyway)





Knowing that KH works at Intel it would not suprise me to find that TH may have bypassed using the computer for some of her private conversations.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on May 26, 2011, 12:20:16 PM
It's been reported that there was paperwork that was given to Kyron's teacher, Mrs./Ms? Porter that needed to be filled out by the school/her?  prior to the appointment.
Has LE acknowledged the existance of said "paperwork"?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on May 26, 2011, 01:53:17 PM
Oh, Hello there is this too:

http://www.katu.com/news/local/108250924.html

"On Monday Kaine told reporters that 23-month-old Kiara does ask about Kyron, and recalled that Kyron would come sit on the bed next to her to read when he came home from school. Kaine also said Kiara does not ask about her mom, who called the toddler by the pet name Kitty. Earlier this month Terry withdrew her request to share parenting time with the child."

It seems particularly odd that a 23 month old (I forgot that her nickname is Kitty too lol!)would ask about her Brother but not ask about her Mom doesn't it?
A 23 month old? Sad.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on May 26, 2011, 02:09:22 PM
My husband has taken my children to doctor appointments and he is the step father. He lives with the kids full time and is on the paperwork as a guardian. Terri was a full time parental figure in Kyrons life doesn't seem odd to me she would take him to the doctors.

Patricia I would think Kitty not asking for her mom would be due to Kaine not talking about her and if you think about it, what would he tell her anyway. I actually doubt she remembers Kyron and pretty much only knows him through stories and pics Kaine maybe showing her.. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on May 26, 2011, 02:31:18 PM
 ::HelloKitty::

I don't know how to be more clear in my question, but I will try again.

Terri is not a legal guardian.  Terri is nobody to Kyron.  If she was to make any medical decisions, there would have to be LEGAL paperwork. 

I am wondering what authority, if any, Terri had to make appointments about Kyron's medical needs. 

Did she have the right to talk to the doctor and make the decisions as to what would be needed for his issues?

Did she have the right to talk with the teacher about Kyron's needs and issues?  Those have to be granted by the parents.  No one can be talking about your child to someone who is not authorized to hear about it.  Thank goodness for that.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Amys Sister on May 26, 2011, 03:28:19 PM
My husband never adopted my daughter but he's been her Daddy for 21 years.  Growing up he took her to the doctor, the dentist, in for surgeries, picking up medications, scheduling appointments, and everything in between.

I'm pretty sure step parents are by law allowed to do that unless there is a provision in place preventing it. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on May 26, 2011, 05:50:05 PM
::HelloKitty::

I don't know how to be more clear in my question, but I will try again.

Terri is not a legal guardian.  Terri is nobody to Kyron.  If she was to make any medical decisions, there would have to be LEGAL paperwork. 

I am wondering what authority, if any, Terri had to make appointments about Kyron's medical needs. 

Did she have the right to talk to the doctor and make the decisions as to what would be needed for his issues?

Did she have the right to talk with the teacher about Kyron's needs and issues?  Those have to be granted by the parents.  No one can be talking about your child to someone who is not authorized to hear about it.  Thank goodness for that.

Well I can only answer your question with what my experience is. My husband, my children's step father can take my children to the doctors. He can pick up meds for them, he can ask for the doctor to check whatever because he is listed as a guardian to my children based on the fact he is one of the full time parents. I would guess, given it would be in the best interest of Kyron because his dad worked full time and his mother lived 5 hours away, Terri was able to take Kyron to the doctor. Terri was somebody to Kyron, she was one of the full time caregivers for Kyron. Given that, it seems reasonable she would have a legal right, awarded to her by Kaine, to seek medical attention or what have you, for Kyron.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on May 26, 2011, 07:40:37 PM
 ::HelloKitty::

But is she a guardian?  Can she make decisions on her own that Kyron may have needed treatment for seizures without consulting with the mother and the father and getting their permission?

It sounds ludicrous to me that she would be able to make decisions without Kaine and or Desiree's permission. 

I have no step 's involved in my family at any point, so I know nothing of this subject.  I just know if I had a child that was in the position of Kyron, I would be furious if the step mother made medical decisions without my input as a mother.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: MonaMonkey on May 26, 2011, 08:16:50 PM
I made it here, finally!  Thank you Melissab over at BOC for guiding me over.   ::MonkeyAngel::

I was clueless!!!

 ::snipping2::
melissab says:
May 26, 2011 at 9:40 am
EssayKaye you silly little thing you! Lol! If you used MonaMonkey you were approved Aug. 2010 but never knew it! Log in at SM using that name and the password you registered and go! If you have trouble you can email Klaas directly at her hotmail addy. See you there!

For those requesting admission at SM, just log in once in a while under your requested name and password to see if you have been approved. To my knowledge there is no notification system to let you know your up!

****

I am assuming melissab at BOC is the same person as melisb here?  But then I thought Puzzler and Puzzled were the same, too, and I was wrong.  Any ways, thank you!!!

I have been following Kyron's case since last June here and on BOC; it is so very sad that he has not been found yet. 

The thing that has always stood out for me is that TH has essentially relinquished custody of her little girl in order to avoid opening the door to discovery and potentially having to testify under oath.  Of course, this strategy does not in itself indicate that she is guilty of causing Kyron's disappearance, but it does reveal she is "hiding" from something.  There is NO WAY I would not fight like a hell cat for custody of my daughter if I knew I was innocent!!!  If it is not involvement in KY's disappearance, what is it??? 
::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on May 26, 2011, 10:16:58 PM
My thoughts on the video and the underlying disagreement was a disagreement between Kaine and Terri.  Kaine seemed to have a wait and see attitude and Terri seemed to want to get him into see the doc right away.  Also the fact that Kaine alluded to the fact that NO DOCTORS APPT had been set tho there was the confusion with the teacher. 

If I were Terri and the primary caregiver of the child/ step or not I would defer/consult with the bio parent just as she did, jmo.  Pending urgency - maybe Kaine did not note any zoning out episodes or as he said thought that Kyron was tired due to the current situation with Kitty's ear ache and disrupted sleep pattern from sleeping across from crying baby for a couple nites? 

As to TH I tend to have differing opinions on her than most.  I think she is more clever and cunning than we know or can imagine.   I also am not set on any accomplices at that school....other than Kyron himself but that's today's thought. 

WELCOME MONAMONKEY!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: melisb on May 26, 2011, 11:42:43 PM
In a doctor's office if a person who appears to be a childs mom or even step and they are bringing in the child and filling out all the paperwork, SSN, Insurance, etc., then they are condidered to be the proper legal guardian.  ONLY if there are custodial issues and rules set forth by the bio parent that the step parent can not be present for any doctor or legal or school appts. or questions will the step ever be kept from tending to the child just as a regular parent would.  She is married to Kyron's father and at one time or another since he held a full time job all appts and teacher conf were prolly left to her and all I assume knew about DY too.  HK, when you take your child to the doc, first time in an office, does the CSR know you are the bio parent or a step?  You wouldn't unless there were custody issues.  There is no law in a doctors office that says a step parent can't bring the child that lives with them to an appt. unless there are issues!  Even our school forms that we fill out every year for my son's personal info asks the question about custody problems.  But nowhere does a form ever ask if you are the bio or step parent.  It is a given everywhere that if you have the child with you and all persoal info then you may have the right to have them there.  I say yes a hundred times over she has legal right to do all for him.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on May 27, 2011, 12:25:20 AM
 ::HelloKitty::

Very very different where I live.  The schools and medical are very careful on who can get information.

A grandparent can get no information on a child unless a parent has given permission, for instance. The forms are filled out as to who the legal people are.  If it's a step, papers have to be signed that show the person has permission to get info, be called for an emergency, pick the child up, etc. 

When I go to the doctor here, I have to show my ID card because of ID theft, but that is different than the Terri issue.

I sincerely doubt that my doctor would allow a step parent to make medical decisions for a child.  My doctor's office doesn't tell anyone anything,



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on May 27, 2011, 12:41:50 AM
 ::HelloKitty::

When there are gay couples, it does not matter if the one person has said that the partner has rights.  They have no rights.

Terri has no rights because Kyron has a mother and a father. 

Perhaps Desiree and Kaine gave rights to Terri via written documentation. I don't know. 

I am just wondering how she could make medical decisions because where I live, she would not be able to do that.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on May 27, 2011, 01:41:10 AM
HK, I am not sure exactly what has you upset to be honest with you. I suppose in looking back Kaine can understand he made a mistake by allowing Terri to have guardian privliges over Kyron but to be honest given Terri was a full time parent/caregiver to Kyron, hate it or not that is was the case, she needed to have the ability to have access to school situations and medical needs. If she was a good step mom it would not be a problem, unfortunately she may have used this to hurt Kyron. Personally I think the subject is off track a bit.

 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: melancholygirl on May 27, 2011, 02:05:51 AM
I mostly lurk in these threads these days because I find this incredibly depressing.  :(

It seems to me TH started pointing out the spaciness and the possibility that he was having seizures as a set up.  You know, like maybe he wandered away from school and got lost. ?? That way, if he was found dead, it could be blamed on these alleged issues. just seems too convenient that she thought he was having issues prior to his disappearance and that there seemed to be no follow-up to these concerns.  I often wonder if they're going to find him very close to the school in the underbrush.  (though I pray every day that he is found alive) 

Also, TH was a primary care giver since he was a baby, wasn't she? It seems plausible that she had the authority to make regular medical decisions on a daily basis.  I come from a blended family, and my dad had the authority to make medical decisions for my oldest brother and sister (their bio-dad was completely out if the picture).


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: melisb on May 27, 2011, 09:17:41 AM
Amen MCGirl!  I've never, ever seen any paperwork that would question if a child belonged to that parent if the name was the same.  I think HK is just upset that TH may have used med and school info against Ky because the other parents trusted her to be telling the truth.  HK can speak for herself but I do understand where she is coming from.  I just wanted her to know that unless Kyron threw a fit and sad she's not my Mommy or there were issues in the custody agreement there isn't really anyway to know who is bringing a child in.  It is done in good faith and let's face it, usually real bad people who intend on doing harm to a child don't really keep up with their medical or school.  Now, back to finding Kyron.  Isn't the update from LE soon?  I'm sure that will be put off just like everything else is or has been.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on May 27, 2011, 11:06:52 AM
 ::HelloKitty::

Why I am bringing the medical issue up is that we have been given no information that Terri had the authority to bring Kyron to the doctor for issues that she may have thought up because of her own nefarious purposes. People are assuming that Kyron had these issues, and nowhere except in Terri's emails is it stated that Kyron had any issues like that.

Skyline had no policies to call if a child was not in school.  They assumed things.  I can guarantee you that the schools where I live do not assume anything.  Maybe they had a lawsuit at one time or the threat of one for allowing a child to go with a step parent.  I don't know.  But they assume nothing and it is all written down who has rights to do what.

When I go to the doctor, I have to fill out a form that identifies who I am and who is responsible for my care. 

I imagine when a doctor's office that assumed some things gets sued, they will change their policies as well.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on May 27, 2011, 12:32:21 PM
I don't believe Kaine has ever come out and said Terri had no right to take Kyron to the doctor or be involved in any medical concerns. If he did then he should have made it clear to the school and to the doctors that Terri had not been granted permission to discuss or seek medical attention. I think it is reasonable to think Terri had this right and in my opinion, given his father worked full time and Desiree lived hours away, it would only make sense she would be able to take him to the doctors. Remember that is what she was supposedly going to do, take him to the doctors to discuss possible seizures. I really don't see anything wrong with it but perhaps because I am a step mom and my husband is a step dad, I understand that it is needed. Like I said, if Terri was being praised as a good step mom then it would not be viewed as a problem. This is one of those situations that Kaine can now see it was a mistake. I don't even think the doctors office is liable for anything because all she was doing was taking him to the doctors and step parents everyday take kids to the doctors. I think we are beating a dead horse with this.

I cannot believe it has been almost a year since we read about this little frog man. He needs to come home....


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on May 27, 2011, 12:39:18 PM
HK I have to admit you are aiming your anger at step parents in general it seems and that is a bit unfair. I am finding myself on the defensive with such comments as "Maybe they had a lawsuit at one time or the threat of one for allowing a child to go with a step parent. ".

Believe it or not, many times a step parent loves and cares for a child more then a bio parent as is the case in my home and many homes across the country. If you wish to point your anger at Terri then fine I am with you, but please try not to insult step parents or insinuate all step parents should not have a right to care for a child. Very unfair.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on May 27, 2011, 12:39:56 PM
Welcome to Scared Monkeys MonaMonkey!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on May 27, 2011, 01:53:13 PM
 ::HelloKitty::

I obviously don't know how to say it without people taking it personally.

I am not saying that Terri could not take Kyron to the doctor.  What I am saying is that Terri should not have been able to bring Kyron to the doctor for something that she "diagnosed" without having the parents in agreement.

Kaine and Desiree both expressed surprise that Kyron was going to the doctor.  They both expressed not knowing that he had these seizure issues.

When the search was going on for Kyron, at no time did the authorities indicate that Kyron was a child with possible medical conditions so be aware!

People are assuming that Kyron had seizures or other issues, and there is no official report of that.  As there is no confirmation of that by Desiree or Kaine, who as his parents, should have been informed.

A step parent, whether one likes it or not, does not have the same legal rights as a biological parent. I did not decide this.  It is a legal issue.  When a biological child turns 18, a parent has no right to their child's medical information.  That's the way it is with legal issues.  Nothing based on emotion, just the law.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on May 27, 2011, 02:11:25 PM
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/MOD/Kyron-Home1.gif)

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on May 27, 2011, 02:53:54 PM
KH stated that he attributed Kyron's  "spaciness" to sleep deprivation.
 I take that as confirmation of a known issue that was both acknowledged and discussed.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on May 27, 2011, 03:17:23 PM
 ::HelloKitty::

Discussed and then what? 

Is there evidence that there was a decision to bring him to the doctor ?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on May 27, 2011, 03:41:16 PM
::HelloKitty::

I obviously don't know how to say it without people taking it personally.

I am not saying that Terri could not take Kyron to the doctor.  What I am saying is that Terri should not have been able to bring Kyron to the doctor for something that she "diagnosed" without having the parents in agreement.

Kaine and Desiree both expressed surprise that Kyron was going to the doctor.  They both expressed not knowing that he had these seizure issues.

When the search was going on for Kyron, at no time did the authorities indicate that Kyron was a child with possible medical conditions so be aware!

People are assuming that Kyron had seizures or other issues, and there is no official report of that.  As there is no confirmation of that by Desiree or Kaine, who as his parents, should have been informed.

A step parent, whether one likes it or not, does not have the same legal rights as a biological parent. I did not decide this.  It is a legal issue.  When a biological child turns 18, a parent has no right to their child's medical information.  That's the way it is with legal issues.  Nothing based on emotion, just the law.

When i signed my children up for medical insurance, I put my husband as their guardian, perhaps that is what Kaine did. A full time step parent, and even a part time step parents needs to be able to seek medical attention for the children. To me it is a matter of safety just as when you sign your child for school, you sign a form allowing the school to seek medical attention or when you sign a note for a babysitter/nanny to seek medical attention. I understand what you are saying I think, Terri as a step parent should not have over stepped her role as step parent and gone against the opinion of the bio parents. However, for the sake of argument, if Kyron was having seizures and Kaine was in denial about it, which does happen, Terri would have been doing to the right thing in my opinion in taking Kyron to the doctors. Just because Terri abused her role doesn't make the actions of a step parent seeking medical attention wrong. In a way I see this as the responsibility of the bio parent to make sure a person with bad intentions does not have the authority to seek medical attention, although I don't see how Kaine could have figured out a possible plan. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on May 27, 2011, 04:18:36 PM
::HelloKitty::

Discussed and then what? 

Is there evidence that there was a decision to bring him to the doctor ?

Allegedly, yes.
I have found no information that disputes the teacher,  Ms. Porter receiving a questionnaire in regards to Kyron that was to be filled out prior to his Dr. Appt.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: monchichi on May 27, 2011, 04:53:05 PM

When i signed my children up for medical insurance, I put my husband as their guardian, perhaps that is what Kaine did. A full time step parent, and even a part time step parents needs to be able to seek medical attention for the children. To me it is a matter of safety just as when you sign your child for school, you sign a form allowing the school to seek medical attention or when you sign a note for a babysitter/nanny to seek medical attention. I understand what you are saying I think, Terri as a step parent should not have over stepped her role as step parent and gone against the opinion of the bio parents. However, for the sake of argument, if Kyron was having seizures and Kaine was in denial about it, which does happen, Terri would have been doing to the right thing in my opinion in taking Kyron to the doctors. Just because Terri abused her role doesn't make the actions of a step parent seeking medical attention wrong. In a way I see this as the responsibility of the bio parent to make sure a person with bad intentions does not have the authority to seek medical attention, although I don't see how Kaine could have figured out a possible plan. 

I get the impression that Kaine was unaware of the "seizure" issue, period.  It seems as if TH never even told Kaine she thought Kyron even needed to go to the doctor's.  If it was enough of an issue for her to go behind Kaine's back to make an appointment (which I don't even believe existed), then WHY would she leave Kyron outside of his classroom on a busy day, with the school full of people?  If she was that concerned, why wouldn't she make the effort to walk him to his door, and make sure he checked in with his teacher?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on May 27, 2011, 05:24:33 PM
 ::HelloKitty::

I agree that a step parent should be on legal documents.

I don't think Desiree was aware of any seizure issues. I don't think Desiree was aware of any issues that required Kyron to go to the doctor. 

Let's say that your children are staying with your sister,  Your children's favorite aunt.

She calls you up and says that she has brought your child to the doctor because she thinks your child has seizures.  What would your reaction be?

I am so wondering why the bio parents (apparently neither one) was involved in this medical process.

Terri was in contact with Desiree a lot, it sounds like.  Yet she was never contacted about issues that were so huge that a teacher and doctor are involved?  I don't get that at all.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on May 27, 2011, 07:03:03 PM
I'm posting this in response to justice4kyron on BOC. They are associating familiar names that we have all heard. This is only one of the post'.

I want to be clear that what I found in one day, associates all of the names, but in no way means that this is what I believe, or that I'm correct on the info. I'm just throwing this out there as "another coincidence". So here we go.....

Posted on BOC:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-126/#comments
 (http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-126/#comments)

justice4kyron says:
May 25, 2011 at 10:07 pm

@ E-rose,

Also goes by the alias Araceli M Estrada
_____________________________________

I started looking at the names that justice4kyron was posting and this is what I found:

In January of 2011 Rodolfo Sanchez created a FB page.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002292514643&sk=friends#!/profile.php?id=100002292514643&sk=wall (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002292514643&sk=friends#!/profile.php?id=100002292514643&sk=wall)

This is his pic and a pic that Blink posted. NOTE: Look at the little girl with the bangs and compare it to the SF pic of the man "who can't be seen with the little girl".

(http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad12/sass2heart/RodolfoSanchez2.jpg?t=1306536122)(http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad12/sass2heart/RudySanchez3.jpg?t=1306537146)


(http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/30862_1489639882012_1264414625_1365625_1211108_n.jpg)

His wifes name is Araceli Sanchez. NOTE: He like red heads.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002050279804&sk=friends&v=friends#!/profile.php?id=100002050279804&sk=friends (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002050279804&sk=friends&v=friends#!/profile.php?id=100002050279804&sk=friends)

(http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad12/sass2heart/AraceliSanchez.jpg?t=1306536408)

Rodolfo Sanchez' first addition to his friends list was Ubaldo Sanchez:

http://www.facebook.com/usanchez2?sk=friends#!/usanchez2?sk=friends&v=friends (http://www.facebook.com/usanchez2?sk=friends#!/usanchez2?sk=friends&v=friends)

(http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad12/sass2heart/UbaldoSanchez.jpg?t=1306536288)

I have more info but I wanted to post this first. Rodolfo's FB states that he lives, currently, in Chicago, Il.

My thought is, I absolutely do not underestimate anything these people do or what they are capable of. When you look at their FB pages, you will see associated names of people that have been mentioned quite often, including Maria Sanchez and the Flores.

I could be totally wrong with this post and I'm not afraid to admit when I'm wrong. I'm just putting out what I found.




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on May 27, 2011, 07:43:21 PM
paint me a confused monkey. Are the 3 men supposed to be the same person?

HK, I am not sure that we know Desiree was not aware of Terri wanting to take Kyron to the doctors. The only thing I recall her saying about it was just saying there was some talk about it.
I have been thinking about this. If my children's step mother who was caring for my child full time wanted to take my child to the doctors due to possible seizure activities, I would not mind. However, I would have liked to be consulted prior to any tests or medications given. But just taking him to the docs, no that wouldn't bother me.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on May 27, 2011, 08:04:34 PM
paint me a confused monkey. Are the 3 men supposed to be the same person?

HK, I am not sure that we know Desiree was not aware of Terri wanting to take Kyron to the doctors. The only thing I recall her saying about it was just saying there was some talk about it.
I have been thinking about this. If my children's step mother who was caring for my child full time wanted to take my child to the doctors due to possible seizure activities, I would not mind. However, I would have liked to be consulted prior to any tests or medications given. But just taking him to the docs, no that wouldn't bother me.


Ugh TG. NO they are not the same men. If you have been following this case on SM and BOC you would know that Rodolfo, aka Rudy Sanchez is associated with Ubaldo, Maria, and Araceli, ALL Sanchez'.

Why even post any more.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on May 27, 2011, 09:28:40 PM
 ::HelloKitty::
It seems  like Ubaldo might be from Colorado.  Or at least he has a lot of Colorado connections.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on May 27, 2011, 09:32:15 PM
::HelloKitty::
It seems  like Ubaldo might be from Colorado.  Or at least he has a lot of Colorado connections.

That's correct. They are all over the map.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on May 27, 2011, 09:41:58 PM
I totally understand the Caylee case going on, but Kyron is still missing. There are very few Monkeys that are continuing to follow this case, but I'm not going to be one of them. EVERY missing/murdered child and person is important, but I can't give my full attention to more than one at a time. My old brain just can't work that way if I'm gong to be effective.

I'm just going to hang out here and give what I can give along with praying every day and night that Desiree will have closure, and Kyron will come home.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on May 27, 2011, 09:59:15 PM
 ::HelloKitty::

It's good that you are on the case Sassi.  It is sad that Kyron seems to be forgotten.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: monchichi on May 27, 2011, 10:12:15 PM
::HelloKitty::

It's good that you are on the case Sassi.  It is sad that Kyron seems to be forgotten.

I don't think Kyron is forgotten.  I believe there are a lot of people that still check in for news.  Unfortunately, barring a big break, there is little we haven't discussed.

Thank you to all of the super sleuthers who continue to dig.  Sassi~you are amazing!  Great job turning up RS's facebook page! 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on May 27, 2011, 10:56:53 PM
Sassi,

What information, if any, do we know about these peeps, their known associates etc... regarding things such as prior arrests, status of citizenship etc...?



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on May 27, 2011, 11:01:12 PM
Has there been anything found involving illegal drug sales/trafficking etc... in regards to any of the people in the list you have researched thusfar?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Amys Sister on May 27, 2011, 11:06:12 PM
I totally understand the Caylee case going on, but Kyron is still missing. There are very few Monkeys that are continuing to follow this case, but I'm not going to be one of them. EVERY missing/murdered child and person is important, but I can't give my full attention to more than one at a time. My old brain just can't work that way if I'm gong to be effective.

I'm just going to hang out here and give what I can give along with praying every day and night that Desiree will have closure, and Kyron will come home.




 ::MonkeyAngel::

Bless your heart, Sassi, I'm right here with you.

There are a lot of clues and what we know can be looked at in ways we have not yet considered. 

I need to clear my head and rethink this.  I read all you post and digest it, so it's not for nothing, okay?

 ::MonkeyKiss::

You are so right, Kyron is still missing and this case should not be forgotten.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: neighbor on May 28, 2011, 12:27:03 AM
I'm posting this in response to justice4kyron on BOC. They are associating familiar names that we have all heard. This is only one of the post'.

I want to be clear that what I found in one day, associates all of the names, but in no way means that this is what I believe, or that I'm correct on the info. I'm just throwing this out there as "another coincidence". So here we go.....

Posted on BOC:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-126/#comments
 (http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-126/#comments)

justice4kyron says:
May 25, 2011 at 10:07 pm

@ E-rose,

Also goes by the alias Araceli M Estrada
_____________________________________

I started looking at the names that justice4kyron was posting and this is what I found:

In January of 2011 Rodolfo Sanchez created a FB page.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002292514643&sk=friends#!/profile.php?id=100002292514643&sk=wall (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002292514643&sk=friends#!/profile.php?id=100002292514643&sk=wall)

This is his pic and a pic that Blink posted. NOTE: Look at the little girl with the bangs and compare it to the SF pic of the man "who can't be seen with the little girl".

(http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad12/sass2heart/RodolfoSanchez2.jpg?t=1306536122)(http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad12/sass2heart/RudySanchez3.jpg?t=1306537146)


(http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/30862_1489639882012_1264414625_1365625_1211108_n.jpg)

His wifes name is Araceli Sanchez. NOTE: He like red heads.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002050279804&sk=friends&v=friends#!/profile.php?id=100002050279804&sk=friends (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002050279804&sk=friends&v=friends#!/profile.php?id=100002050279804&sk=friends)

(http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad12/sass2heart/AraceliSanchez.jpg?t=1306536408)

Rodolfo Sanchez' first addition to his friends list was Ubaldo Sanchez:

http://www.facebook.com/usanchez2?sk=friends#!/usanchez2?sk=friends&v=friends (http://www.facebook.com/usanchez2?sk=friends#!/usanchez2?sk=friends&v=friends)

(http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad12/sass2heart/UbaldoSanchez.jpg?t=1306536288)

I have more info but I wanted to post this first. Rodolfo's FB states that he lives, currently, in Chicago, Il.

My thought is, I absolutely do not underestimate anything these people do or what they are capable of. When you look at their FB pages, you will see associated names of people that have been mentioned quite often, including Maria Sanchez and the Flores.

I could be totally wrong with this post and I'm not afraid to admit when I'm wrong. I'm just putting out what I found.




Appears like a fit.  There is one business, but it has been around longer:

 Entity Name    RUDY'S TRUCKING, INC.     File Number    60955646
 Status    ACTIVE
 Entity Type    CORPORATION     Type of Corp    DOMESTIC BCA
 Incorporation Date (Domestic)    03/13/2000     State    ILLINOIS
 Agent Name    RODOLFO SANCHEZ     Agent Change Date    04/19/2006
 Agent Street Address    9704 MINNICK AVE     President Name & Address    RODOLFO SANCHEZ 9704 MWNICK AVE OAK LAWN 60453
 Agent City    OAK LAWN     Secretary Name & Address    RODOLFO SANCHEZ SAME
 Agent Zip    60453     Duration Date    PERPETUAL
 Annual Report Filing Date    03/08/2011     For Year    2011
 Old Corp Name   04/12/2000 - RODOLFO SANCHEZ TRUCKING SERVICES, INC.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on May 28, 2011, 12:50:12 AM
I totally understand the Caylee case going on, but Kyron is still missing. There are very few Monkeys that are continuing to follow this case, but I'm not going to be one of them. EVERY missing/murdered child and person is important, but I can't give my full attention to more than one at a time. My old brain just can't work that way if I'm gong to be effective.

I'm just going to hang out here and give what I can give along with praying every day and night that Desiree will have closure, and Kyron will come home.



Sassi - I'm still following - not much to say right now - before you know it will be the 1 year anniversary - only 2-3 weeks more before Staton has his next review with the Commissioners.  I sure hope we hear something substantive.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: klaasend on May 28, 2011, 01:38:04 AM
I agree, Kyron is not forgotten but it's hard to hash and re-hash old news continuously.  IMO, Kaine and Desiree need to get Kyrons name in the news more.

For me the saddest thing of all is that someone knows what happened to Kyron and she's not talking. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on May 28, 2011, 02:32:36 AM
paint me a confused monkey. Are the 3 men supposed to be the same person?

HK, I am not sure that we know Desiree was not aware of Terri wanting to take Kyron to the doctors. The only thing I recall her saying about it was just saying there was some talk about it.
I have been thinking about this. If my children's step mother who was caring for my child full time wanted to take my child to the doctors due to possible seizure activities, I would not mind. However, I would have liked to be consulted prior to any tests or medications given. But just taking him to the docs, no that wouldn't bother me.


Ugh TG. NO they are not the same men. If you have been following this case on SM and BOC you would know that Rodolfo, aka Rudy Sanchez is associated with Ubaldo, Maria, and Araceli, ALL Sanchez'.

Why even post any more.
Sassy really was this necessary? What a rude response. FYI I don't have every post, every name, every scenario burned into my memory. You caught me I don't hang on every post at BOC. Sorry if I am not living up to your standards. Geez.. Wonder why no one posts, it can be a bit aggravating.

Kyron is not forgotten, not by me and not by many others who post on this site.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on May 28, 2011, 02:35:47 AM
I agree, Kyron is not forgotten but it's hard to hash and re-hash old news continuously.  IMO, Kaine and Desiree need to get Kyrons name in the news more.

For me the saddest thing of all is that someone knows what happened to Kyron and she's not talking. 

Totally agree with you Klaas on all points.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: yuknomenot on May 28, 2011, 04:10:05 AM
Has it been determined exactly who the little girl is?  The girl in the picture reminds me of a slightly younger version of the little actress who plays Juanita Solis on Desperate Housewives http://www.google.com/search?q=juanita+solis&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a (http://www.google.com/search?q=juanita+solis&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a) .  Her name (stage or real?) is Madison De La Garza.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on May 28, 2011, 07:30:21 AM
paint me a confused monkey. Are the 3 men supposed to be the same person?

HK, I am not sure that we know Desiree was not aware of Terri wanting to take Kyron to the doctors. The only thing I recall her saying about it was just saying there was some talk about it.
I have been thinking about this. If my children's step mother who was caring for my child full time wanted to take my child to the doctors due to possible seizure activities, I would not mind. However, I would have liked to be consulted prior to any tests or medications given. But just taking him to the docs, no that wouldn't bother me.


Ugh TG. NO they are not the same men. If you have been following this case on SM and BOC you would know that Rodolfo, aka Rudy Sanchez is associated with Ubaldo, Maria, and Araceli, ALL Sanchez'.

Why even post any more.
Sassy really was this necessary? What a rude response. FYI I don't have every post, every name, every scenario burned into my memory. You caught me I don't hang on every post at BOC. Sorry if I am not living up to your standards. Geez.. Wonder why no one posts, it can be a bit aggravating.

Kyron is not forgotten, not by me and not by many others who post on this site.

You're absolutely right TG, and I hope you will accept my apology. My frustrations were really pointing to myself. Again, I'm sorry.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on May 28, 2011, 07:32:05 AM
Kyron's candles:


http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Kyron

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: melisb on May 28, 2011, 09:25:01 AM
Thanks Sassi, headed back over to read at BOC and yep, I see the connect.  I still wonder if TH eldest was moved because of some threat towards her or her child at one time not even thinking that little Ky might be in the line of fire.  Maybe she did something late the year before Kyron went missing that was offensive and needed retaliation according to her "lover".  Something went haywire around Nov., Dec., Jan., I feel.  Just look at her appearance during that time.  She was looking healty then all of a sudden she's bloated and gaining weight and apparently hiding a whole bunch and it took a toll on her and her marriage and family.  I'm just wondering if she was threatened and fears for her life maybe that is why she isn't coming forth with any info.  Maybe it's out of fear for what could happen to her family maybe even Kitty?  Seeing that one child has probably been taken and (sorry guys) most likely murdered she knows/fears that these people are above the law?  Maybe she fears the mob?  You know Mexican crime syndicates are notoriously vicious.  They take out whomever is in front of them when seeking revenge or just sending a message.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on May 28, 2011, 09:55:32 AM
 ::HelloKitty::

with how her life is now as a prisoner in her parent's home,. she could go into the Witness Protection Program, if that was the case.

What guarantee would she have that they wouldn't decide to get rid of her at any point, if it was a mob thing?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: malty on May 28, 2011, 01:34:55 PM
Sassi
I am here and I think you have found something
I Always watch for your posts
Here and Blinks
Thanks for all your efforts


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: malty on May 28, 2011, 01:49:59 PM
I have never felt this whole case depends on Terri talking
But it might help
Some one else out there knows where Kyron is IMO


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: malty on May 28, 2011, 02:06:49 PM
By the way I enjoy being a Monkey
I am not a big poster on either site  Blinks or here
But I am always here
Hoping to find Kyron every day


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on May 28, 2011, 03:01:06 PM
Thanks Sassi, headed back over to read at BOC and yep, I see the connect.  I still wonder if TH eldest was moved because of some threat towards her or her child at one time not even thinking that little Ky might be in the line of fire.  Maybe she did something late the year before Kyron went missing that was offensive and needed retaliation according to her "lover".  Something went haywire around Nov., Dec., Jan., I feel.  Just look at her appearance during that time.  She was looking healty then all of a sudden she's bloated and gaining weight and apparently hiding a whole bunch and it took a toll on her and her marriage and family.  I'm just wondering if she was threatened and fears for her life maybe that is why she isn't coming forth with any info.  Maybe it's out of fear for what could happen to her family maybe even Kitty?  Seeing that one child has probably been taken and (sorry guys) most likely murdered she knows/fears that these people are above the law?  Maybe she fears the mob?  You know Mexican crime syndicates are notoriously vicious.  They take out whomever is in front of them when seeking revenge or just sending a message.

First off, apology accepted Sass, thank you.

Melisb I have thought of this scenario before. Who really knows what is going on and what happened with Terri or whoever. At times I wish there would be a leak of information, surprising there hasn't been.
Isn't that odd? No leaks? Nothing coming out. I am not sure if I have encountered that before. Usually someone will leak something. 



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: monchichi on May 28, 2011, 04:19:46 PM
Kaine kind of opens up:

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/05/kaine_horman_endures_year_sinc.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: monchichi on May 28, 2011, 04:41:43 PM
Kaine kind of opens up:

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/05/kaine_horman_endures_year_sinc.html

and a similar article on Desiree...

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/05/kyron_hormans_mother_desiree_y_2.html



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on May 28, 2011, 04:48:33 PM
I'm going to reply to the BOC post here at SM because Blink is very busy, so this will be faster.

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/#comments (http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/#comments)

MockingbirdSings says:
May 28, 2011 at 12:31 pm

I put the picture of Rodolpho Sanchez with the little girl from FB next to Blink’s picture. I don’t think they are the same man and definitely not the same girl. Blink’s girl is blond, the FB one has black hair and their faces are different.

I tried resizing the FB picture to see if a little more roundness, or less, would help, but they still don’t look the same to me. The more I look at them, the more differences I see.

___________________________________

I don't for one moment think, or believe that the child in the pic in Blinks blog, is Rudy's daughter. To make that assumption, because she was captured in the photo, would be just that. An assumption.

If we close our minds to assumed information, then we end up taking two steps backwards.

My post here about Rodolfo Sanchez was about connecting the dots of known associates, thanks to justice4ky at BOC. She dropped the bread crumbs and I followed it. Where have you seen, so far, where ALL of the associates are clammed together?

If you don't see a connection with Oregon and/or Washington, is it because there is no connection; or is it because you haven't found it yet?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: starwynn on May 28, 2011, 05:16:14 PM
I wanted to add that there are still many of us who pray for Kyron daily.  We may not speak about him here daily, but he is in our prayers, hearts, and thoughts.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on May 28, 2011, 06:16:30 PM
Kaine kind of opens up:

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/05/kaine_horman_endures_year_sinc.html

and a similar article on Desiree...

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/05/kyron_hormans_mother_desiree_y_2.html


Good articles, thanks for posting.
The amount of frustration, anger and hurt that Desiree must be feeling, it is a wonder to me how she has not attacked Terri. Seriously, I am not a violent person but I could honestly see, in Desiree's place, my punching Terri in the face until she talked.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on May 28, 2011, 06:52:57 PM
I'm going to reply to the BOC post here at SM because Blink is very busy, so this will be faster.

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/#comments (http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/#comments)

MockingbirdSings says:
May 28, 2011 at 12:31 pm

I put the picture of Rodolpho Sanchez with the little girl from FB next to Blink’s picture. I don’t think they are the same man and definitely not the same girl. Blink’s girl is blond, the FB one has black hair and their faces are different.

I tried resizing the FB picture to see if a little more roundness, or less, would help, but they still don’t look the same to me. The more I look at them, the more differences I see.

___________________________________

I don't for one moment think, or believe that the child in the pic in Blinks blog, is Rudy's daughter. To make that assumption, because she was captured in the photo, would be just that. An assumption.

If we close our minds to assumed information, then we end up taking two steps backwards.

My post here about Rodolfo Sanchez was about connecting the dots of known associates, thanks to justice4ky at BOC. She dropped the bread crumbs and I followed it. Where have you seen, so far, where ALL of the associates are clammed together?

If you don't see a connection with Oregon and/or Washington, is it because there is no connection; or is it because you haven't found it yet?

BBM

self edit

I meant to say: " If we close our minds and rely on assumed information, then we end up taking two steps backwards."


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on May 28, 2011, 06:58:10 PM
Kaine kind of opens up:

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/05/kaine_horman_endures_year_sinc.html

and a similar article on Desiree...

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/05/kyron_hormans_mother_desiree_y_2.html


Good articles, thanks for posting.
The amount of frustration, anger and hurt that Desiree must be feeling, it is a wonder to me how she has not attacked Terri. Seriously, I am not a violent person but I could honestly see, in Desiree's place, my punching Terri in the face until she talked.


 ::MonkeyDevil:: I agree, but I would rather see Terri and the vampire(s) get out smarted.

We can't take the pain away from Desiree, but maybe, just maybe, we can help her get some closure. That is my prayer for her.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on May 28, 2011, 08:54:32 PM
 ::HelloKitty::

monchichi.  Thanks for the links to those articles about Kaine and Desiree.

I just want to go lock up some of those people who comment.  They have no morals.  If a missing child is not important, then what is?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: tnmomb on May 28, 2011, 09:00:45 PM
Sassy... I have never stop coming by to check in here about Kyron and I always take time to read your posts and even try and catch up on them (and others too).
 I haven't posted for a very long time because in the frenzy of the Kyron board last year I realized I needed to learn a lot more about adding something that could actually assist the brainstorming sessions in finding Kyron. The best I could finally do was to try and comfort some people here by adding my 2 cents worth about understanding the long process of a case from being the daughter of a Homicide detective and Sheriff in Oregon .
However you and other old timers here are nothing short of being brilliant in your research and diligence in connecting the dots. No one knows where the answers will come from. Why not SM or BOC as easily as LE in Oregon.
I understand your frustration on so many levels. I just wanted to stop in and say hi and let you know all you do counts.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on May 29, 2011, 03:55:00 PM
Sassy I spent some time over the past couple of days reading postings over at blinks. It is interesting to read the possible connections. I think for me, what leaves me wondering is the names are all so common. Then again, perhaps too many names together to be just another family. It is good you are looking into it because truth be told, nobody knows or can say with any certainty who is involved and who is not involved.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on May 29, 2011, 03:58:09 PM
::HelloKitty::

monchichi.  Thanks for the links to those articles about Kaine and Desiree.

I just want to go lock up some of those people who comment.  They have no morals.  If a missing child is not important, then what is?

Yea the articles has some trolls posting. Isn't it shameful that people do that? I can't understand it.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on May 29, 2011, 04:07:33 PM
Kaine kind of opens up:

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/05/kaine_horman_endures_year_sinc.html

and a similar article on Desiree...

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/05/kyron_hormans_mother_desiree_y_2.html


Good articles, thanks for posting.
The amount of frustration, anger and hurt that Desiree must be feeling, it is a wonder to me how she has not attacked Terri. Seriously, I am not a violent person but I could honestly see, in Desiree's place, my punching Terri in the face until she talked.


 ::MonkeyDevil:: I agree, but I would rather see Terri and the vampire(s) get out smarted.

We can't take the pain away from Desiree, but maybe, just maybe, we can help her get some closure. That is my prayer for her.  ::MonkeyAngel::

When ever I watch Desiree I feel such anger for what she is going through. I was glad to read she is not resigning herself to 5 years of this.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on May 29, 2011, 04:24:50 PM
Sassy I spent some time over the past couple of days reading postings over at blinks. It is interesting to read the possible connections. I think for me, what leaves me wondering is the names are all so common. Then again, perhaps too many names together to be just another family. It is good you are looking into it because truth be told, nobody knows or can say with any certainty who is involved and who is not involved.



I agree TG. Way too many names clumped together to be a coincidence. All of them started their FB's in January. Why January? I know one thing that happened in January. The new searches on Skyline Blvd., Mooreland rd., and Dixie Mountain area.

These FB's could be totally fictitious, and if they are, why? Why right now? It's not feeling right to me.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on May 29, 2011, 04:26:02 PM
Kaine kind of opens up:

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/05/kaine_horman_endures_year_sinc.html

and a similar article on Desiree...

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/05/kyron_hormans_mother_desiree_y_2.html


Good articles, thanks for posting.
The amount of frustration, anger and hurt that Desiree must be feeling, it is a wonder to me how she has not attacked Terri. Seriously, I am not a violent person but I could honestly see, in Desiree's place, my punching Terri in the face until she talked.


 ::MonkeyDevil:: I agree, but I would rather see Terri and the vampire(s) get out smarted.

We can't take the pain away from Desiree, but maybe, just maybe, we can help her get some closure. That is my prayer for her.  ::MonkeyAngel::

When ever I watch Desiree I feel such anger for what she is going through. I was glad to read she is not resigning herself to 5 years of this.

Me too TG. Come hell or high water, Desiree is determined to bring Kyron home.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on May 29, 2011, 04:26:32 PM
Sassy... I have never stop coming by to check in here about Kyron and I always take time to read your posts and even try and catch up on them (and others too).
 I haven't posted for a very long time because in the frenzy of the Kyron board last year I realized I needed to learn a lot more about adding something that could actually assist the brainstorming sessions in finding Kyron. The best I could finally do was to try and comfort some people here by adding my 2 cents worth about understanding the long process of a case from being the daughter of a Homicide detective and Sheriff in Oregon .
However you and other old timers here are nothing short of being brilliant in your research and diligence in connecting the dots. No one knows where the answers will come from. Why not SM or BOC as easily as LE in Oregon.
I understand your frustration on so many levels. I just wanted to stop in and say hi and let you know all you do counts.

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on May 29, 2011, 05:28:54 PM
Sassy I spent some time over the past couple of days reading postings over at blinks. It is interesting to read the possible connections. I think for me, what leaves me wondering is the names are all so common. Then again, perhaps too many names together to be just another family. It is good you are looking into it because truth be told, nobody knows or can say with any certainty who is involved and who is not involved.



I agree TG. Way too many names clumped together to be a coincidence. All of them started their FB's in January. Why January? I know one thing that happened in January. The new searches on Skyline Blvd., Mooreland rd., and Dixie Mountain area.

These FB's could be totally fictitious, and if they are, why? Why right now? It's not feeling right to me.

I agree; too many coincidences at this point.  This is much bigger than we're really aware of, IMO.  I realized that when Staton hired two experts to go over cell phone records for all calls made during that morning in that area and the addition of six FBI special agents.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: neighbor on May 29, 2011, 06:50:00 PM
Sassy I spent some time over the past couple of days reading postings over at blinks. It is interesting to read the possible connections. I think for me, what leaves me wondering is the names are all so common. Then again, perhaps too many names together to be just another family. It is good you are looking into it because truth be told, nobody knows or can say with any certainty who is involved and who is not involved.



I agree TG. Way too many names clumped together to be a coincidence. All of them started their FB's in January. Why January? I know one thing that happened in January. The new searches on Skyline Blvd., Mooreland rd., and Dixie Mountain area.

These FB's could be totally fictitious, and if they are, why? Why right now? It's not feeling right to me.

I agree; too many coincidences at this point.  This is much bigger than we're really aware of, IMO.  I realized that when Staton hired two experts to go over cell phone records for all calls made during that morning in that area and the addition of six FBI special agents.



Yes and no.  Multnomah county only has a few detectives/investigators.  I is very small compared to Portland City that is said to have over 90 detectives.  If you believe the two ex-LE self proclaimed "experts", they are even on rotation from other LE functions.  I can see them asking for help.

From what I understand, LE is tracing all the cell phones in the area.  E.g. maybe a regular phone and a bat phone traveled together, or a cell phone traveled to a meeting place, or had the battery removed for a while.  That is a lot of triangulation, and a lot of automation to sort through it.  IMO MCSO deals with SAR, but I doubt that they have the FBI capability of getting an full electronic footprint within 30 minutes.

I agree there is a lot of noise.  Find the source of the noise, and you get closer to the perp.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on May 29, 2011, 07:28:39 PM
Sassy I spent some time over the past couple of days reading postings over at blinks. It is interesting to read the possible connections. I think for me, what leaves me wondering is the names are all so common. Then again, perhaps too many names together to be just another family. It is good you are looking into it because truth be told, nobody knows or can say with any certainty who is involved and who is not involved.



I agree TG. Way too many names clumped together to be a coincidence. All of them started their FB's in January. Why January? I know one thing that happened in January. The new searches on Skyline Blvd., Mooreland rd., and Dixie Mountain area.

These FB's could be totally fictitious, and if they are, why? Why right now? It's not feeling right to me.

I agree; too many coincidences at this point.  This is much bigger than we're really aware of, IMO.  I realized that when Staton hired two experts to go over cell phone records for all calls made during that morning in that area and the addition of six FBI special agents.



Yes and no.  Multnomah county only has a few detectives/investigators.  I is very small compared to Portland City that is said to have over 90 detectives.  If you believe the two ex-LE self proclaimed "experts", they are even on rotation from other LE functions.  I can see them asking for help.

From what I understand, LE is tracing all the cell phones in the area.  E.g. maybe a regular phone and a bat phone traveled together, or a cell phone traveled to a meeting place, or had the battery removed for a while.  That is a lot of triangulation, and a lot of automation to sort through it.  IMO MCSO deals with SAR, but I doubt that they have the FBI capability of getting an full electronic footprint within 30 minutes.

I agree there is a lot of noise.  Find the source of the noise, and you get closer to the perp.

I don't know who you are talking about as far as "the two ex-LE self proclaimed "experts". When I'm looking at the Kyron case, I don't let anyone's opinion or thoughts influence me. Not even Blinks.

I don't believe they are ONLY looking at cell phone pings. Btw, if you take the battery out of your cell phone, the phone is dead, and has to be recharged.

There is something going on in this case that smells like rotten eggs.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on May 30, 2011, 12:01:39 AM
Sassy I spent some time over the past couple of days reading postings over at blinks. It is interesting to read the possible connections. I think for me, what leaves me wondering is the names are all so common. Then again, perhaps too many names together to be just another family. It is good you are looking into it because truth be told, nobody knows or can say with any certainty who is involved and who is not involved.



I agree TG. Way too many names clumped together to be a coincidence. All of them started their FB's in January. Why January? I know one thing that happened in January. The new searches on Skyline Blvd., Mooreland rd., and Dixie Mountain area.

These FB's could be totally fictitious, and if they are, why? Why right now? It's not feeling right to me.

I agree; too many coincidences at this point.  This is much bigger than we're really aware of, IMO.  I realized that when Staton hired two experts to go over cell phone records for all calls made during that morning in that area and the addition of six FBI special agents.



Yes and no.  Multnomah county only has a few detectives/investigators.  I is very small compared to Portland City that is said to have over 90 detectives.  If you believe the two ex-LE self proclaimed "experts", they are even on rotation from other LE functions.  I can see them asking for help.

From what I understand, LE is tracing all the cell phones in the area.  E.g. maybe a regular phone and a bat phone traveled together, or a cell phone traveled to a meeting place, or had the battery removed for a while.  That is a lot of triangulation, and a lot of automation to sort through it.  IMO MCSO deals with SAR, but I doubt that they have the FBI capability of getting an full electronic footprint within 30 minutes.

I agree there is a lot of noise.  Find the source of the noise, and you get closer to the perp.

Yes, but, all of this is after first having the help of 42 different agencies for months.  Don't aim to be argumentative...it's just that I keep reminding myself that an immense amount of manpower has been submitted and all that wouldn't be necessary just to go after one person.  There's much more to this, IMO.  Gosh only knows where it's all leading.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on May 30, 2011, 12:03:42 AM
Sassy I spent some time over the past couple of days reading postings over at blinks. It is interesting to read the possible connections. I think for me, what leaves me wondering is the names are all so common. Then again, perhaps too many names together to be just another family. It is good you are looking into it because truth be told, nobody knows or can say with any certainty who is involved and who is not involved.



I agree TG. Way too many names clumped together to be a coincidence. All of them started their FB's in January. Why January? I know one thing that happened in January. The new searches on Skyline Blvd., Mooreland rd., and Dixie Mountain area.

These FB's could be totally fictitious, and if they are, why? Why right now? It's not feeling right to me.

I agree; too many coincidences at this point.  This is much bigger than we're really aware of, IMO.  I realized that when Staton hired two experts to go over cell phone records for all calls made during that morning in that area and the addition of six FBI special agents.



Yes and no.  Multnomah county only has a few detectives/investigators.  I is very small compared to Portland City that is said to have over 90 detectives.  If you believe the two ex-LE self proclaimed "experts", they are even on rotation from other LE functions.  I can see them asking for help.

From what I understand, LE is tracing all the cell phones in the area.  E.g. maybe a regular phone and a bat phone traveled together, or a cell phone traveled to a meeting place, or had the battery removed for a while.  That is a lot of triangulation, and a lot of automation to sort through it.  IMO MCSO deals with SAR, but I doubt that they have the FBI capability of getting an full electronic footprint within 30 minutes.

I agree there is a lot of noise.  Find the source of the noise, and you get closer to the perp.

I don't know who you are talking about as far as "the two ex-LE self proclaimed "experts". When I'm looking at the Kyron case, I don't let anyone's opinion or thoughts influence me. Not even Blinks.

I don't believe they are ONLY looking at cell phone pings. Btw, if you take the battery out of your cell phone, the phone is dead, and has to be recharged.

There is something going on in this case that smells like rotten eggs.

Sassi, don't we "know" that the two experts Staton hired is in the phone and IT areas?  Ergo: emails, cell phone, pings, texts.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on May 30, 2011, 12:06:55 AM
Community Work Day June 4, 2011

http://bringkyronhome.org/events.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: neighbor on May 30, 2011, 12:27:34 AM
Sassy I spent some time over the past couple of days reading postings over at blinks. It is interesting to read the possible connections. I think for me, what leaves me wondering is the names are all so common. Then again, perhaps too many names together to be just another family. It is good you are looking into it because truth be told, nobody knows or can say with any certainty who is involved and who is not involved.



I agree TG. Way too many names clumped together to be a coincidence. All of them started their FB's in January. Why January? I know one thing that happened in January. The new searches on Skyline Blvd., Mooreland rd., and Dixie Mountain area.

These FB's could be totally fictitious, and if they are, why? Why right now? It's not feeling right to me.

I agree; too many coincidences at this point.  This is much bigger than we're really aware of, IMO.  I realized that when Staton hired two experts to go over cell phone records for all calls made during that morning in that area and the addition of six FBI special agents.



Yes and no.  Multnomah county only has a few detectives/investigators.  I is very small compared to Portland City that is said to have over 90 detectives.  If you believe the two ex-LE self proclaimed "experts", they are even on rotation from other LE functions.  I can see them asking for help.

From what I understand, LE is tracing all the cell phones in the area.  E.g. maybe a regular phone and a bat phone traveled together, or a cell phone traveled to a meeting place, or had the battery removed for a while.  That is a lot of triangulation, and a lot of automation to sort through it.  IMO MCSO deals with SAR, but I doubt that they have the FBI capability of getting an full electronic footprint within 30 minutes.

I agree there is a lot of noise.  Find the source of the noise, and you get closer to the perp.

Yes, but, all of this is after first having the help of 42 different agencies for months.  Don't aim to be argumentative...it's just that I keep reminding myself that an immense amount of manpower has been submitted and all that wouldn't be necessary just to go after one person.  There's much more to this, IMO.  Gosh only knows where it's all leading.


I just meant to show the arguments for a MCSO to bring in extra help.  Don't get me wrong, I agree: there is something big(ger) going on.  With all respect, I doubt a lawn maintenance guy could have set this in motion and eluded all the agencies.

On the side .. $100k for a divorce attorney?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on May 30, 2011, 01:41:39 AM
Sassy I spent some time over the past couple of days reading postings over at blinks. It is interesting to read the possible connections. I think for me, what leaves me wondering is the names are all so common. Then again, perhaps too many names together to be just another family. It is good you are looking into it because truth be told, nobody knows or can say with any certainty who is involved and who is not involved.



I agree TG. Way too many names clumped together to be a coincidence. All of them started their FB's in January. Why January? I know one thing that happened in January. The new searches on Skyline Blvd., Mooreland rd., and Dixie Mountain area.

These FB's could be totally fictitious, and if they are, why? Why right now? It's not feeling right to me.

I agree; too many coincidences at this point.  This is much bigger than we're really aware of, IMO.  I realized that when Staton hired two experts to go over cell phone records for all calls made during that morning in that area and the addition of six FBI special agents.



Yes and no.  Multnomah county only has a few detectives/investigators.  I is very small compared to Portland City that is said to have over 90 detectives.  If you believe the two ex-LE self proclaimed "experts", they are even on rotation from other LE functions.  I can see them asking for help.

From what I understand, LE is tracing all the cell phones in the area.  E.g. maybe a regular phone and a bat phone traveled together, or a cell phone traveled to a meeting place, or had the battery removed for a while.  That is a lot of triangulation, and a lot of automation to sort through it.  IMO MCSO deals with SAR, but I doubt that they have the FBI capability of getting an full electronic footprint within 30 minutes.

I agree there is a lot of noise.  Find the source of the noise, and you get closer to the perp.

Yes, but, all of this is after first having the help of 42 different agencies for months.  Don't aim to be argumentative...it's just that I keep reminding myself that an immense amount of manpower has been submitted and all that wouldn't be necessary just to go after one person.  There's much more to this, IMO.  Gosh only knows where it's all leading.


I just meant to show the arguments for a MCSO to bring in extra help.  Don't get me wrong, I agree: there is something big(ger) going on.  With all respect, I doubt a lawn maintenance guy could have set this in motion and eluded all the agencies.

On the side .. $100k for a divorce attorney?

And I don't think they are even divorced yet or have actually decided anything in regards to the divorce. She is one expensive divorce lawyer! Mine was a high priced attorney out of the bay area, that cost me just over $15000 and I thought that was expensive.

Sass just wanted to point out, a battery can come out of a phone without needing to be charged. You just have to turn it on. At least the ones I have had over the years.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on May 30, 2011, 01:47:10 AM
Kaine kind of opens up:

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/05/kaine_horman_endures_year_sinc.html

and a similar article on Desiree...

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/05/kyron_hormans_mother_desiree_y_2.html


Good articles, thanks for posting.
The amount of frustration, anger and hurt that Desiree must be feeling, it is a wonder to me how she has not attacked Terri. Seriously, I am not a violent person but I could honestly see, in Desiree's place, my punching Terri in the face until she talked.


 ::MonkeyDevil:: I agree, but I would rather see Terri and the vampire(s) get out smarted.

We can't take the pain away from Desiree, but maybe, just maybe, we can help her get some closure. That is my prayer for her.  ::MonkeyAngel::

When ever I watch Desiree I feel such anger for what she is going through. I was glad to read she is not resigning herself to 5 years of this.

Me too TG. Come hell or high water, Desiree is determined to bring Kyron home.

She had said in the interview when asked if she felt it was going to take 5 years, she said very matter of factually, "NO". Your right, come hell or high water, she will bring her son home. I have no doubts


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: KittyMom on May 30, 2011, 01:48:19 AM
It is time for Kyron to come home.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on May 30, 2011, 02:04:37 AM
It is time for Kyron to come home.

Yes, it is! not tomorrow, not next week, not next monthy, next year, next 5 years, it is time right now for Kyron to come home!!! Enough already, enough!

How many posters feel Terri could have put Kyron into a child protection underground? Last year I read an article about a woman that runs an underground, I think it was even out of oregon. She spoke about once the child is taken they go poof and nobody talks because it would put at risk all of the children. So has anyone else considered this?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Amys Sister on May 30, 2011, 05:18:30 AM
It is time for Kyron to come home.

Yes, it is! not tomorrow, not next week, not next monthy, next year, next 5 years, it is time right now for Kyron to come home!!! Enough already, enough!

How many posters feel Terri could have put Kyron into a child protection underground? Last year I read an article about a woman that runs an underground, I think it was even out of oregon. She spoke about once the child is taken they go poof and nobody talks because it would put at risk all of the children. So has anyone else considered this?

Tracy Girl, it's funny you bring that up as I had been pondering that exact scenario for several days and there are aspects to this investigation that could point in this direction.

-trucking companies affiliated with named in the case and Kyron awareness posters going up on the side of semi's
-parents felt strongly Kyron is alive
-sightings of Kyron after he went missing indicate he was not taken for the specific purpose of abduction for murder
-the number of people involved that morning with batphones and supportive of Terri and her silence could only be possible if they were led to believe they were helping a little boy
-the letter at the Wall of Hope stays with me....  'Where she can no longer hurt me, DAD.'  It appears to have been written to Kaine and hints that Kyron is safe and will be reunited with Kaine at a later time and place.
-Jason Name Redacted's father's affiliation with Mexican orphanages and Dede's involvement




http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/Kaine-Horman–Desiree-Young-827-pt-2-kyron-horman-missing-portland-101688128.html
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'Kyron was there, he was involved, he saw it all.  What was he even doing out by the truck with another person in it?'

Okay, so what was Kyron involved in and what did he witness?  Desiree's statement would imply there were other activities surrounding his abduction. 

She followed this statement with a very sure indication that Kyron is still alive, three months after his disappearance.  Kaine was in agreement.  That would indicate they felt Kyron was taken for a very specific purpose, this was in no way random, and there were other activities involved outside of him being taken.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: melisb on May 30, 2011, 09:27:26 AM
I have to agree with you both on the underground issue.  I brought it up long time ago and got shut down quick cause a few thought I was defending TH.  I just don't want to believe she had him killed or did it herself.  I want to think he is alive but the options of where he is is scary.  He could be underground and safe with other kids because TH actually had a fear of something she caused, did, or was part of or he was passed to pervs in a sex ring.  Don't really like either but I really want to think something has scared her into silence so bad she is too fearful to talk.  I was asked why I don't think Kitty was sent off then and I said because she really never left TH's or KH's sight.  Maybe her bloated look was from drinking cause she was afraid of something. But she was a drinker before so I don't really know.  I still feel like LE has concentrated on TH so hard that they didn't see all the players in the disappearance of this beautiful little boy.  With all that said we do know Kyron is gone and it looks like TH had something to do with it.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on May 30, 2011, 11:51:57 AM
 ::HelloKitty::

Taking a child from his family causes horrifying harm to the child.  I am assuming that these underground child groups take a child and a parent ?  Like ones that I have heard of that the parent knows the child is being sexually abused by a parent, but can't prove it?

Taking a 7 year old child from his loving mother and step father and his loving father would not be a good thing.  He would be terrified and scarred emotionally.

With all of this advertising, anyone who thought they were helping a child has to think again.  This is no service for Kyron.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on May 30, 2011, 12:37:56 PM
Sassy I spent some time over the past couple of days reading postings over at blinks. It is interesting to read the possible connections. I think for me, what leaves me wondering is the names are all so common. Then again, perhaps too many names together to be just another family. It is good you are looking into it because truth be told, nobody knows or can say with any certainty who is involved and who is not involved.



I agree TG. Way too many names clumped together to be a coincidence. All of them started their FB's in January. Why January? I know one thing that happened in January. The new searches on Skyline Blvd., Mooreland rd., and Dixie Mountain area.

These FB's could be totally fictitious, and if they are, why? Why right now? It's not feeling right to me.

I agree; too many coincidences at this point.  This is much bigger than we're really aware of, IMO.  I realized that when Staton hired two experts to go over cell phone records for all calls made during that morning in that area and the addition of six FBI special agents.



Yes and no.  Multnomah county only has a few detectives/investigators.  I is very small compared to Portland City that is said to have over 90 detectives.  If you believe the two ex-LE self proclaimed "experts", they are even on rotation from other LE functions.  I can see them asking for help.

From what I understand, LE is tracing all the cell phones in the area.  E.g. maybe a regular phone and a bat phone traveled together, or a cell phone traveled to a meeting place, or had the battery removed for a while.  That is a lot of triangulation, and a lot of automation to sort through it.  IMO MCSO deals with SAR, but I doubt that they have the FBI capability of getting an full electronic footprint within 30 minutes.

I agree there is a lot of noise.  Find the source of the noise, and you get closer to the perp.

Yes, but, all of this is after first having the help of 42 different agencies for months.  Don't aim to be argumentative...it's just that I keep reminding myself that an immense amount of manpower has been submitted and all that wouldn't be necessary just to go after one person.  There's much more to this, IMO.  Gosh only knows where it's all leading.


I just meant to show the arguments for a MCSO to bring in extra help.  Don't get me wrong, I agree: there is something big(ger) going on.  With all respect, I doubt a lawn maintenance guy could have set this in motion and eluded all the agencies.

On the side .. $100k for a divorce attorney?

I agree.  $100K for a divorce attorney?  Why?  Or has Rackner provided more services that we've not been made aware of yet?



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on May 30, 2011, 12:57:20 PM
I have to agree with you both on the underground issue.  I brought it up long time ago and got shut down quick cause a few thought I was defending TH.  I just don't want to believe she had him killed or did it herself.  I want to think he is alive but the options of where he is is scary.  He could be underground and safe with other kids because TH actually had a fear of something she caused, did, or was part of or he was passed to pervs in a sex ring.  Don't really like either but I really want to think something has scared her into silence so bad she is too fearful to talk.  I was asked why I don't think Kitty was sent off then and I said because she really never left TH's or KH's sight.  Maybe her bloated look was from drinking cause she was afraid of something. But she was a drinker before so I don't really know.  I still feel like LE has concentrated on TH so hard that they didn't see all the players in the disappearance of this beautiful little boy.  With all that said we do know Kyron is gone and it looks like TH had something to do with it.

Certain kinds of drugs can bloat you, as well; i.e., steroids - doctor prescribed - like they prescribe sometimes for sinus infections to take the swelling out of the sinuses. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: neighbor on May 30, 2011, 01:03:56 PM
Sassy I spent some time over the past couple of days reading postings over at blinks. It is interesting to read the possible connections. I think for me, what leaves me wondering is the names are all so common. Then again, perhaps too many names together to be just another family. It is good you are looking into it because truth be told, nobody knows or can say with any certainty who is involved and who is not involved.



I agree TG. Way too many names clumped together to be a coincidence. All of them started their FB's in January. Why January? I know one thing that happened in January. The new searches on Skyline Blvd., Mooreland rd., and Dixie Mountain area.

These FB's could be totally fictitious, and if they are, why? Why right now? It's not feeling right to me.

I agree; too many coincidences at this point.  This is much bigger than we're really aware of, IMO.  I realized that when Staton hired two experts to go over cell phone records for all calls made during that morning in that area and the addition of six FBI special agents.



Yes and no.  Multnomah county only has a few detectives/investigators.  I is very small compared to Portland City that is said to have over 90 detectives.  If you believe the two ex-LE self proclaimed "experts", they are even on rotation from other LE functions.  I can see them asking for help.

From what I understand, LE is tracing all the cell phones in the area.  E.g. maybe a regular phone and a bat phone traveled together, or a cell phone traveled to a meeting place, or had the battery removed for a while.  That is a lot of triangulation, and a lot of automation to sort through it.  IMO MCSO deals with SAR, but I doubt that they have the FBI capability of getting an full electronic footprint within 30 minutes.

I agree there is a lot of noise.  Find the source of the noise, and you get closer to the perp.

Yes, but, all of this is after first having the help of 42 different agencies for months.  Don't aim to be argumentative...it's just that I keep reminding myself that an immense amount of manpower has been submitted and all that wouldn't be necessary just to go after one person.  There's much more to this, IMO.  Gosh only knows where it's all leading.


I just meant to show the arguments for a MCSO to bring in extra help.  Don't get me wrong, I agree: there is something big(ger) going on.  With all respect, I doubt a lawn maintenance guy could have set this in motion and eluded all the agencies.

On the side .. $100k for a divorce attorney?

And I don't think they are even divorced yet or have actually decided anything in regards to the divorce. She is one expensive divorce lawyer! Mine was a high priced attorney out of the bay area, that cost me just over $15000 and I thought that was expensive.

Sass just wanted to point out, a battery can come out of a phone without needing to be charged. You just have to turn it on. At least the ones I have had over the years.

I don't understand why he is spreading these half truths, like "paying for the rest of my life".  Emotionally, yes, but financially that is quite a stretch given INTC's salary and ECBP/EB bonus plans.

$100k is a lot of money for not even being divorced.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on May 30, 2011, 01:07:33 PM
Sassy I spent some time over the past couple of days reading postings over at blinks. It is interesting to read the possible connections. I think for me, what leaves me wondering is the names are all so common. Then again, perhaps too many names together to be just another family. It is good you are looking into it because truth be told, nobody knows or can say with any certainty who is involved and who is not involved.



I agree TG. Way too many names clumped together to be a coincidence. All of them started their FB's in January. Why January? I know one thing that happened in January. The new searches on Skyline Blvd., Mooreland rd., and Dixie Mountain area.

These FB's could be totally fictitious, and if they are, why? Why right now? It's not feeling right to me.

I agree; too many coincidences at this point.  This is much bigger than we're really aware of, IMO.  I realized that when Staton hired two experts to go over cell phone records for all calls made during that morning in that area and the addition of six FBI special agents.



Yes and no.  Multnomah county only has a few detectives/investigators.  I is very small compared to Portland City that is said to have over 90 detectives.  If you believe the two ex-LE self proclaimed "experts", they are even on rotation from other LE functions.  I can see them asking for help.

From what I understand, LE is tracing all the cell phones in the area.  E.g. maybe a regular phone and a bat phone traveled together, or a cell phone traveled to a meeting place, or had the battery removed for a while.  That is a lot of triangulation, and a lot of automation to sort through it.  IMO MCSO deals with SAR, but I doubt that they have the FBI capability of getting an full electronic footprint within 30 minutes.

I agree there is a lot of noise.  Find the source of the noise, and you get closer to the perp.

Yes, but, all of this is after first having the help of 42 different agencies for months.  Don't aim to be argumentative...it's just that I keep reminding myself that an immense amount of manpower has been submitted and all that wouldn't be necessary just to go after one person.  There's much more to this, IMO.  Gosh only knows where it's all leading.


I just meant to show the arguments for a MCSO to bring in extra help.  Don't get me wrong, I agree: there is something big(ger) going on.  With all respect, I doubt a lawn maintenance guy could have set this in motion and eluded all the agencies.

On the side .. $100k for a divorce attorney?

And I don't think they are even divorced yet or have actually decided anything in regards to the divorce. She is one expensive divorce lawyer! Mine was a high priced attorney out of the bay area, that cost me just over $15000 and I thought that was expensive.

Sass just wanted to point out, a battery can come out of a phone without needing to be charged. You just have to turn it on. At least the ones I have had over the years.

I don't understand why he is spreading these half truths, like "paying for the rest of my life".  Emotionally, yes, but financially that is quite a stretch given INTC's salary and ECBP/EB bonus plans.

$100k is a lot of money for not even being divorced.

It sure is!  They're no where near the end of the divorce.  They still have to decide on the settlement and the custody.  The two most important things in this and most all divorces. 



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Amys Sister on May 30, 2011, 02:20:34 PM
A good part of the money is probably still in the retainer waiting until the civil proceedings go into effect. 

It still seems on the very high side.  I have family members who fought for custody of two children.  They spent around $50,000 and the case went all the way to the state Supreme Court.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on May 30, 2011, 02:38:04 PM
A good part of the money is probably still in the retainer waiting until the civil proceedings go into effect. 

It still seems on the very high side.  I have family members who fought for custody of two children.  They spent around $50,000 and the case went all the way to the state Supreme Court.



Amy - TY - that's a good guide line for us.  $50K and all the way to surpreme court.

Kaine's talking $100K and he's only at "abatement" stage....nothing going on. 

Something's not right with his statement - if he has racked up attorney fees for $100K, they there's more going on than a divorce and a simple RO, IMO.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on May 30, 2011, 03:46:21 PM
A point I find interesting about the underground theory is the fact that Kaines brother was arrested for child molestation. Could Terri have used that to get people in the underground to believe her? Not saying it was the truth but it could have been used as a way to convince people Kyron was in trouble.

Anyone recall Kaine saying Terri is a master of deception? It is one of the comments which lead me to consider all of this.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on May 30, 2011, 03:55:29 PM
Why would she not send her daughter? Perhaps because she felt she was there to protect her daughter? Why is she not trying to get her daughter now? She can't, her plan backfired on her. in my opinion.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on May 30, 2011, 03:56:11 PM
 ::MonkeyShovel::
I do wonder what age a Child must be in order for their voices to be heard in family court? How old is Kyron now?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on May 30, 2011, 04:37:36 PM
::MonkeyShovel::
I do wonder what age a Child must be in order for their voices to be heard in family court? How old is Kyron now?


Kyron would be 8 now. I think it all depends on the judge. I was once waiting for my case to be called and the one before me, the mother wanted to read a letter her son had written about what he wanted, the judge said no, the mom reminded the judge he was her 16 year old son, the judge said it didn't matter. However, when I moved from that county to another, my attorney entered a letter written by my 7 year old (at the time) son. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: bebecat on May 30, 2011, 05:05:00 PM
Beth Holloway said she would never leave Aruba without Natalee, but of course she had to do so and despite no one ever trying harder to find her daughter, she hasn't been able to bring her home. Desiree has the same kind of intentions, but it doesn't mean it will happen.

Even if Th is eventually tried and convicted, I don't think anything but an accident will locate Kyron and bring him back to his mom. It won't be for lack of trying on Desiree's part, but if the person who knows will never tell, a la Joran, there is nothing much a mother can do.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on May 30, 2011, 06:32:26 PM
 ::HelloKitty::

unfortunately, so true Bebe. 

May Desiree somehow get some sort of peace.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: TnMuse on May 30, 2011, 10:11:15 PM
Why would she not send her daughter? Perhaps because she felt she was there to protect her daughter? Why is she not trying to get her daughter now? She can't, her plan backfired on her. in my opinion.

MOO:  Her plan may have backfired, but it didn't explode...there appears to be no trace of Kyron.  Like Kaine and Desiree say...she's good.  Perhaps she is formulating a new "plan" to take the baby, or possibly her cold feelings toward Kaine (MFH), Kyron (POOF) and James (go to your father) extend to the baby too, and she's happy to just move on to a new life without all the "baggage".  I wonder if she gloats about her cleverness? MOO   


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on May 31, 2011, 09:47:42 AM
(http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad12/sass2heart/KyBillboard.jpg?t=1306849432)

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on May 31, 2011, 09:55:57 AM
(http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad12/sass2heart/KyBillboard.jpg?t=1306849432)

 ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: malty on May 31, 2011, 12:57:18 PM
What a wonderful billboard for Kyron
One that should touch the coldest heart


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on May 31, 2011, 04:56:41 PM
Why would she not send her daughter? Perhaps because she felt she was there to protect her daughter? Why is she not trying to get her daughter now? She can't, her plan backfired on her. in my opinion.

MOO:  Her plan may have backfired, but it didn't explode...there appears to be no trace of Kyron.  Like Kaine and Desiree say...she's good.  Perhaps she is formulating a new "plan" to take the baby, or possibly her cold feelings toward Kaine (MFH), Kyron (POOF) and James (go to your father) extend to the baby too, and she's happy to just move on to a new life without all the "baggage".  I wonder if she gloats about her cleverness? MOO   

Maybe but she can't possibly be happy in her self-made prison either, I guess?  I think she could have gained alot more freedom if she were completly innocent of Kyron going missing.  JMO.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on May 31, 2011, 05:47:20 PM
Terri's life must suck right now. She's a 40 year old woman living with mommy and daddy. She can't go anywhere, do anything, she doesn't even have her daughter. You know how difficult it is for a mother to lose custody of a baby?  In my opinion she looks pathetic.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on May 31, 2011, 06:33:40 PM
Terri's life must suck right now. She's a 40 year old woman living with mommy and daddy. She can't go anywhere, do anything, she doesn't even have her daughter. You know how difficult it is for a mother to lose custody of a baby?  In my opinion she looks pathetic.

Actually, she's 41 now. Poor pitiful Terri. I guess she's not going to get that motorcycle she wanted.  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on May 31, 2011, 06:45:06 PM
Does anyone remember this. I remember reading this early on and it always stuck with me.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html
 (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html)

Domestic troubles

<snip>

Three months later, the couple got married in their bathing suits in a small ceremony presided over by Kaine's dad on a beach in Kauai, Hawaii. On Mother's Day, Kaine gave his bride a brand-new candy apple red Ford Mustang GT.

She put a vanity license plate on the car — RDSQRL — shorthand for her nickname, Red Squirrel.

About the same time, Terri was working as an assistant manager at Newport Bay restaurant in Washington Square. Don Alanen, a former customer, had many conversations with her when eating there with his wife. He was impressed by her professionalism.

"She always seemed to be in control," Alanen said. "I never heard her say anything to anybody that was upsetting."

Terri talked to the couple about wanting to become a manager in the high-tech industry where Alanen worked. She also said she had been a bodybuilder and planned to return to intensive workouts at some point.

And she talked about Kyron.

"I can't recall that she called him a stepson," Alanen said. "I'm pretty sure she said our son."

Alanen said that when Terri became pregnant, she told him she was thrilled to be having another baby.

Her pregnancy surprised Kaine, who thought they were not going to have children.

In November 2008, Kiara Ariel was born.
__________________________

That was sometime in late 2007 or early 2008. She already had her BA in teaching. What was her sudden interest in the "high-tech" area? How would she even qualify for that? Is she more "tech savvy" than we know? I remember her talking about 'flashing' her phone in the sexting dialogue. Where or WHO did she learn that from?

Since she wasn't having any luck getting a full time teaching job, did she meet someone that she thought may help her get a job in that area? Did this person end up being the "vampire"?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on June 01, 2011, 02:12:06 PM
Is Kaine, in what would be considered, a high tech field? maybe she liked where Kaine worked and wanted to also work there? Don't know. I would guess she knows more then I do since I am not sure what "flashing a phone" would be.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: monchichi on June 01, 2011, 02:54:42 PM
http://www.kptv.com/news/28090402/detail.html

<SNIPPED FROM ABOVE>

Young said Terri Horman told her something chilling after failing her first polygraph test.

“I was sitting in the recliner in the living room and she leaned over the chair and said, 'I want you to know, I loved your son.’ And I flipped out. I told Tony, ‘You better get me out of this house or I'm going to kill her,” Young said.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on June 01, 2011, 04:26:23 PM
http://www.kptv.com/news/28090402/detail.html

<SNIPPED FROM ABOVE>

Young said Terri Horman told her something chilling after failing her first polygraph test.

“I was sitting in the recliner in the living room and she leaned over the chair and said, 'I want you to know, I loved your son.’ And I flipped out. I told Tony, ‘You better get me out of this house or I'm going to kill her,” Young said.

Sorry perhaps I am feeling a bit dull today. Was it because she use the word "loved" rather then love? As in past tense?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 01, 2011, 05:51:10 PM
Is Kaine, in what would be considered, a high tech field? maybe she liked where Kaine worked and wanted to also work there? Don't know. I would guess she knows more then I do since I am not sure what "flashing a phone" would be.



I highly doubt that Terri was interested in working for the same company as Kaine.

Flashing your phone is changing your carriers. Basically to leave a different footprint.

http://hubpages.com/hub/How-to-Flash-your-cell-phone (http://hubpages.com/hub/How-to-Flash-your-cell-phone)

What is Cell Phone Flashing ?

If you are like most people today you have a cell phone and like most of us you don't stick with the same carrier forever. When you change carriers you need a phone that will work on their network so you have two choices, buy a phone through your new carrier and get locked into a one or two year contract or use your current phone on their network. For most people the cheapest and best solution is to use your current phone. Thus phone Flashing. Flashing is the process of loading Carrier specific files to handsets from other carriers in order to connect the phone to the new carrier.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 01, 2011, 05:52:53 PM
http://www.kptv.com/news/28090402/detail.html

<SNIPPED FROM ABOVE>

Young said Terri Horman told her something chilling after failing her first polygraph test.

“I was sitting in the recliner in the living room and she leaned over the chair and said, 'I want you to know, I loved your son.’ And I flipped out. I told Tony, ‘You better get me out of this house or I'm going to kill her,” Young said.

Sorry perhaps I am feeling a bit dull today. Was it because she use the word "loved" rather then love? As in past tense?

Yes TG. It's because she used the "past tense" word of "loved". That was quite a slip.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on June 01, 2011, 06:21:16 PM
http://www.kptv.com/news/28090402/detail.html

<SNIPPED FROM ABOVE>

Young said Terri Horman told her something chilling after failing her first polygraph test.

“I was sitting in the recliner in the living room and she leaned over the chair and said, 'I want you to know, I loved your son.’ And I flipped out. I told Tony, ‘You better get me out of this house or I'm going to kill her,” Young said.

Sorry perhaps I am feeling a bit dull today. Was it because she use the word "loved" rather then love? As in past tense?

Yes TG. It's because she used the "past tense" word of "loved". That was quite a slip.
I think her telling Desiree that shows she was feeling all eyes on her.  


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: MonaMonkey on June 01, 2011, 07:36:37 PM
http://www.kptv.com/news/28090402/detail.html

<SNIPPED FROM ABOVE>

Young said Terri Horman told her something chilling after failing her first polygraph test.

“I was sitting in the recliner in the living room and she leaned over the chair and said, 'I want you to know, I loved your son.’ And I flipped out. I told Tony, ‘You better get me out of this house or I'm going to kill her,” Young said.

Sorry perhaps I am feeling a bit dull today. Was it because she use the word "loved" rather then love? As in past tense?

Yes TG. It's because she used the "past tense" word of "loved". That was quite a slip.
I think her telling Desiree that shows she was feeling all eyes on her.  

TH's "past tense" comment was made in a very interesting context: she had just failed her first poly.  Could it be possible she thought her arrest was going to be imminent so she was offering Desiree some sort of explanation?  Which makes me think, if you thought you were about to be arrested for the murder of a child, why would you tell the child's mother that you really loved the child???  Does it indicate if TH was involved in Kyron's disappearance, that it was a accident or that TH did not have control over the situation?  It just struck me as such a strange comment considering that a response more along the lines of "I really want you to know I love your son and I'm going to do everything I can to find him" would have seemed more appropriate for the situation.
 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on June 01, 2011, 07:47:52 PM
 ::HelloKitty::

It does sound like she thinks that she is going to be busted, to me


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: bebecat on June 02, 2011, 12:01:18 AM
If she did say "loved" she may have meant as in taking care of him, etc...knowing he was not coming back to her house if and when he was found?
Or Desiree could have heard her wrong.
Am not defending TH...just seems possible that Desiree could of heard her wrong. What a tensse situation it must have been at that house and Desiree believed TH had done something to Kyron from the moment she heard he was missing...


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: melisb on June 02, 2011, 08:00:39 AM
I agree Bebecat or she could just be one of those people who don't seem to say the right thing ever.  I have the feeling even if there was proof on camera that TH didn't carry Kyron out of school that day that DY might still resent TH because she was the last to see him that morn plus what she has learned.  I am in full support of DY so don't get me wrong.  Things said at time of crisis can be misunderstood often and interpreted in diff way when looking back too.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 02, 2011, 09:11:24 AM
This link was posted by puzzled on BOC. Thanks puzzled!  ::MonkeyKiss::

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/#comments (http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/#comments)

__________________________________________

http://kezi.com/news/local/213930 (http://kezi.com/news/local/213930)

New Billboards About Kyron's Case

 ::snipping2::

Young also says she's aimed them at the conscience of Kyron's stepmother Terri Moulton Horman.

Young suspects that Moulton Horman is responsible and dangerous.

The investigators say they suspect Moulton Horman offered her landscaper money to kill the boy.


But they didn't arrest her because of a lack of evidence.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: bebecat on June 02, 2011, 10:39:58 AM
I think that article, if you can call it that, on kezi, is wrong...I think they are referring to the so-called MFH...

And who are these investigators who think this? A quote, or a name would be nice...I hate things written in this way...so irresponsible...

I also think that poor Desiree would never believe TH was not involved, even if a perp was caught and confessed and had no ties to TH...but unfortunately I do not think that will ever happen...no one will confess in this case...it will be horrible for Desiree because she will not ever get that tiny satisfaction she needs that might come from the perp, TH or otherwise, admitting to it, and actually leading her to Kyron...even if eventually TH is convicted, she won't get this...If Kyron is found it won't be through TH...


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on June 02, 2011, 11:12:33 AM
 ::HelloKitty::

a reputable news source gets three verifications of what they are reporting.

The people who are sources do not wish to be named.  That is so common.  Look at news articles from around the US on any topic.  There are often "sources".  People are willing to talk as long as they are not named.

The reporter goes to at least three sources and will see if the info is the same.  Standard operating procedure for news sources of any kind.  This is nothing new with the Kyron case


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on June 02, 2011, 01:30:51 PM
 ::HelloKitty::

I was thinking about Terri talking.

She has an alcohol problem.  Some of the indicators are:  Does your drinking cause problems?  Losing a teaching license and arrests for DUI certainly are indicators.

There is no way for her to be in recovery because she cannot do steps for recovery.  Therefore, she may drink again.

Alcoholism is a progressive disease, so when and if she starts up again, her disease will have progressed as if she never stopped drinking.

Therefore, she may spill while drunk or even have a blackout which leads to information.  there is hope that Terri made produce some information at some point


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 02, 2011, 01:39:39 PM
http://www.kptv.com/news/28107968/detail.html

"Kaine Horman: 'You've Got To Keep Going, You've Got To Find Him'"

I know that I am not alone and it is true when I say that we here at SM will keep going for as long as it takes. Kyron has our hearts. I have two little men near the same age as Kyron.  Quitting is not an option.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 02, 2011, 01:47:41 PM
http://www.kptv.com/news/28090402/detail.html

<SNIPPED FROM ABOVE>

Young said Terri Horman told her something chilling after failing her first polygraph test.

“I was sitting in the recliner in the living room and she leaned over the chair and said, 'I want you to know, I loved your son.’ And I flipped out. I told Tony, ‘You better get me out of this house or I'm going to kill her,” Young said.

Were you able to read the comments at the site of this article? The one from crime4all has my head spinning. Do we have any data regarding Desiree seeking modification of an order regarding her Son, Quinn?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on June 02, 2011, 04:33:01 PM
This link was posted by puzzled on BOC. Thanks puzzled!  ::MonkeyKiss::

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/#comments (http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/#comments)

__________________________________________

http://kezi.com/news/local/213930 (http://kezi.com/news/local/213930)

New Billboards About Kyron's Case

 ::snipping2::

Young also says she's aimed them at the conscience of Kyron's stepmother Terri Moulton Horman.

Young suspects that Moulton Horman is responsible and dangerous.

The investigators say they suspect Moulton Horman offered her landscaper money to kill the boy.


But they didn't arrest her because of a lack of evidence.

omg!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 02, 2011, 07:38:05 PM
http://www.kgw.com/news/Kyron-1-year-anniversary-123042478.html

"PORTLAND - After one year, the search for Kyron Horman and whomever has been hiding him has not let up."


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 02, 2011, 07:59:43 PM
http://twitter.com/#!/KGWNews (http://twitter.com/#!/KGWNews)  Fix link.  MB


KGWNewsKGW News
1 year after Kyron Horman disappeared, police say 'there will be a conclusion' - KGW Special report 7:30 PM http://bit.ly/iBG9IN - #Kyron




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: melisb on June 02, 2011, 10:02:58 PM
Now those are some weird comments coming from LE and news stations.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on June 02, 2011, 10:24:59 PM
Edit to correct link per Puzzler.  MB

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/06/kyron_horman_investigation_to.html
Kyron Horman investigation to take on 'technical focus,' sheriff's office says

This doesn't sound like they've gotten very far with the experts and the FBI Special Agents: they're talking "2nd" year of investigation.  

Sounds more like Kaine's remarks that this could take years.

I'm saddened.  I was really hoping we'd get more than this for Kyron from Staton at his next review with the Commissioners, due mid-June.

This has been made public, obviously to soften the blow that is to come during that review.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on June 02, 2011, 10:27:39 PM
Edit to correct link per Puzzler.  MB

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/06/kyron_horman_investigation_to.html
Kyron Horman investigation to take on 'technical focus,' sheriff's office says

This doesn't sound like they've gotten very far with the experts and the FBI Special Agents: they're talking "2nd" year of investigation.  

Sounds more like Kaine's remarks that this could take years.

I'm saddened.  I was really hoping we'd get more than this for Kyron from Staton at his next review with the Commissioners, due mid-June.

This has been made public, obviously to soften the blow that is to come during that review.



I'm so sorry...the link above is obviously the wrong link (one I posted in Caylee's thread).  My apologies. Thanks!  I've replaced them with your corrected link.  MB

Here's the correct link:

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/06/kyron_horman_investigation_to.html

Kyron Horman investigation to take on 'technical focus,' sheriff's office says


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on June 02, 2011, 10:53:06 PM
MB...thank you so much.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: neighbor on June 02, 2011, 11:02:35 PM
Edit to correct link per Puzzler.  MB

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/06/kyron_horman_investigation_to.html
Kyron Horman investigation to take on 'technical focus,' sheriff's office says

This doesn't sound like they've gotten very far with the experts and the FBI Special Agents: they're talking "2nd" year of investigation.  

Sounds more like Kaine's remarks that this could take years.

I'm saddened.  I was really hoping we'd get more than this for Kyron from Staton at his next review with the Commissioners, due mid-June.

This has been made public, obviously to soften the blow that is to come during that review.



I'm so sorry...the link above is obviously the wrong link (one I posted in Caylee's thread).  My apologies. Thanks!  I've replaced them with your corrected link.  MB

Here's the correct link:

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/06/kyron_horman_investigation_to.html

Kyron Horman investigation to take on 'technical focus,' sheriff's office says

Sad indeed.  Sounds like they are dissolving the Task Force, and entering the 21st century by switching to computer databases (requiring data entry).  Also see
  http://www.flashalertnewswire.net/images/news/2011-06/1276/45079/Kyron_Horman_Press_Release_6-2-11.pdf


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on June 02, 2011, 11:15:26 PM
Edit to correct link per Puzzler.  MB

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/06/kyron_horman_investigation_to.html
Kyron Horman investigation to take on 'technical focus,' sheriff's office says

This doesn't sound like they've gotten very far with the experts and the FBI Special Agents: they're talking "2nd" year of investigation.  

Sounds more like Kaine's remarks that this could take years.

I'm saddened.  I was really hoping we'd get more than this for Kyron from Staton at his next review with the Commissioners, due mid-June.

This has been made public, obviously to soften the blow that is to come during that review.



I'm so sorry...the link above is obviously the wrong link (one I posted in Caylee's thread).  My apologies. Thanks!  I've replaced them with your corrected link.  MB

Here's the correct link:

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/06/kyron_horman_investigation_to.html

Kyron Horman investigation to take on 'technical focus,' sheriff's office says

Sad indeed.  Sounds like they are dissolving the Task Force, and entering the 21st century by switching to computer databases (requiring data entry).  Also see
  http://www.flashalertnewswire.net/images/news/2011-06/1276/45079/Kyron_Horman_Press_Release_6-2-11.pdf


I'm not sure I understand how the MCSO can make a declarative statement, such as "there will be a conclusion".

That leads one to think they will find Kyron or find out who's responsible for Kyron going missing.  Most people will think that because, like me, that's what the want to think.

However, a conclusion could be that they've exhausted all lead and data information and they are unable to find Kyron.

I hate the thought of not finding Kyron.  At the same time, I'm not encouraged by MCSO stating they are going into the "2nd year" of investigation.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: bebecat on June 02, 2011, 11:45:41 PM
Their latest statement sounds much like the last one, sadly.
They have to say there will be a conclusion...this is a huge case, all eyes on it, they keep giving the stats of witnesses, interviews, tips, costs, etc...
I have never heard an LEA say there "won't" be a conclusion to any major case...


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 03, 2011, 12:38:18 PM
My message to Kyron, Desiree, and Kaine:

Tomorrow will mark one year to the day when someone took Kyron from his parents, and from the ten's of thousands of people that have come to love you as our own son.  What a powerfully angelic boy you are.

You have a smile that can fill our hearts with warmth, and bring people from all over the world together to stand up and say, side by side with your momma, and repeat her words, "We promise we will NEVER give up."

God is with you Kyron, Desiree, and Kaine, and when the time is right, God will bring Kyron home. Until then, I will be guided by the love of all of the people that will not give up, until you are home.

 ::MonkeyAngel::  ::MonkeyAngel::  ::MonkeyAngel::  ::MonkeyAngel::  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on June 03, 2011, 01:39:24 PM
Thank you for the new news all.

Time is irrelevant until Kyron is found.  As long as they continue it's a good thing imo.  Terri can remain in her self imposed prison.  She's free to move about - live and breath.  Kyron on the other hand we do not know about.

Prayers for Kyron and those who love him.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: akmom on June 03, 2011, 08:38:33 PM
I can't believe we are still here after all this time.  Peace and love to you, little man, and all that love you.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on June 03, 2011, 10:55:54 PM
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/06/kyron_horman_task_force_to_dis.html
 

Kyron Horman task force to disband July 1, but will re-form if 'something breaks,' sheriff says


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on June 03, 2011, 11:02:17 PM
http://www.kptv.com/news/28123077/detail.html

Terri Horman's Neighbors Say She Keeps Quiet In Roseburg

Small article and good video.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on June 04, 2011, 12:03:04 AM
All I can think of today is one year ago Kyron was safe. A year ago today,it would be the last day he played with friends at school, the last day with his family, the last night he would sleep in his bed. I hope and pray the day prior to his going missing was a wonderful day, filled with fun and love and all the things little boys love to do. My prayers are with all who loved Kyron, may God comfort them.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on June 04, 2011, 12:53:13 AM
Today marks officially one year that Kyron has been missing.

I'm glad Desiree is spending the day at home with family to nurture her and that she's putting in a fountain and planting flowers for Kyron.

So sad.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on June 04, 2011, 02:24:55 AM
http://www.kptv.com/print/28129051/detail.html

Kyron’s Mom Marking Anniversary With Family

(snip)

Young says she will spend Saturday looking at pictures of Kyron with her family. They will also plant some of Kyron’s favorite flowers under a plum tree in their yard.

Young also thanked law enforcement officers, volunteers and family members for their support during the last year.

“My belief in the goodness in people and the strength of hearts everywhere has been restored. I believe that is what will bring Kyron home to us -- the goodness in people,” she says.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on June 04, 2011, 02:39:21 AM
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/06/kyron_horman_task_force_to_dis.html
 

Kyron Horman task force to disband July 1, but will re-form if 'something breaks,' sheriff says

(snip)  Multnomah County Sheriff's detectives, FBI agents and up to four state justice department investigators have spent the past six months examining at least 60 persons of interest in the disappearance of Kyron from his school.  (snip)

(snip)  At the one-year anniversary of Kyron's disappearance, Kyron's stepmother, Terri Moulton Horman, remains the focus of investigators. But they still don't know what happened to the child and have had to consider all options, including his being abducted, becoming a victim of human trafficking or being killed.    (snip)

(snip)   During the investigation of the other potential persons of interest, the team realized that some evidence -- namely phone records and computer log-on information from Skyline School the day Kyron went missing -- were not kept by the school district as the sheriff's office didn't request the preservation of those records.   (snip)



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: melisb on June 04, 2011, 09:43:14 AM
Oh, Puzz!  None of the above is good.  In fact, it's bringing me to tears to think that this sounds like the big let down, "sorry, we did all we could but should there be a break we'll call some folks back in to look at it"!  That is exactly how I read that!  Please someone tell me that this is just what they are 'putting out' there to maybe throw someone off and really are hard at work on his case.  To the Great Man above, please show us a sign somehow so he can be brought home.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 04, 2011, 11:14:38 AM
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/06/kyron_horman_task_force_to_dis.html
 

Kyron Horman task force to disband July 1, but will re-form if 'something breaks,' sheriff says

(snip)  Multnomah County Sheriff's detectives, FBI agents and up to four state justice department investigators have spent the past six months examining at least 60 persons of interest in the disappearance of Kyron from his school.  (snip)

(snip)  At the one-year anniversary of Kyron's disappearance, Kyron's stepmother, Terri Moulton Horman, remains the focus of investigators. But they still don't know what happened to the child and have had to consider all options, including his being abducted, becoming a victim of human trafficking or being killed.    (snip)

(snip)   During the investigation of the other potential persons of interest, the team realized that some evidence -- namely phone records and computer log-on information from Skyline School the day Kyron went missing -- were not kept by the school district as the sheriff's office didn't request the preservation of those records.   (snip)



Puzzler: Thanks for the links.

Well, color me stupid. Way to go Barney Fife.  ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on June 04, 2011, 01:26:07 PM
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/06/kyron_horman_task_force_to_dis.html
 

Kyron Horman task force to disband July 1, but will re-form if 'something breaks,' sheriff says

(snip)  Multnomah County Sheriff's detectives, FBI agents and up to four state justice department investigators have spent the past six months examining at least 60 persons of interest in the disappearance of Kyron from his school.  (snip)

(snip)  At the one-year anniversary of Kyron's disappearance, Kyron's stepmother, Terri Moulton Horman, remains the focus of investigators. But they still don't know what happened to the child and have had to consider all options, including his being abducted, becoming a victim of human trafficking or being killed.    (snip)

(snip)   During the investigation of the other potential persons of interest, the team realized that some evidence -- namely phone records and computer log-on information from Skyline School the day Kyron went missing -- were not kept by the school district as the sheriff's office didn't request the preservation of those records.   (snip)



Wow, at least 60 persons of interest. Too bad about the records from school.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Amys Sister on June 04, 2011, 01:28:39 PM
Crazymaking.

I had this whole post typed out about the failures of investigators and our judicial system but I think what's important in this moment is the memory of Kyron, a boy I would have loved to have known and laughed with and played with.

I was given a rare hydrangea by my daughter for Mother's Day and I'll be planting it today in memory of Kyron.  What greater joy than a hug given by tiny arms, or wise words from the mouth of a babe, or laughter carried through the windows on a warm summer day of children having fun?  A smile poking through a dirty face?  The willingness to be held close and snuggle? 

I will post later, this mouthful I'm chewing on of what needs to be fixed within our system of justice. 

God bless all you Monkeys, hold your babies close and know them for the gift they are, no matter their imperfections, they are precious.

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on June 04, 2011, 01:29:50 PM
Oh, Puzz!  None of the above is good.  In fact, it's bringing me to tears to think that this sounds like the big let down, "sorry, we did all we could but should there be a break we'll call some folks back in to look at it"!  That is exactly how I read that!  Please someone tell me that this is just what they are 'putting out' there to maybe throw someone off and really are hard at work on his case.  To the Great Man above, please show us a sign somehow so he can be brought home.

I know, I feel the same way. It is too bad the school didn't have camera's, that really allowed for this crime.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on June 04, 2011, 01:35:12 PM
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/06/kyron_horman_task_force_to_dis.html
 

Kyron Horman task force to disband July 1, but will re-form if 'something breaks,' sheriff says

(snip)  Multnomah County Sheriff's detectives, FBI agents and up to four state justice department investigators have spent the past six months examining at least 60 persons of interest in the disappearance of Kyron from his school.  (snip)

(snip)  At the one-year anniversary of Kyron's disappearance, Kyron's stepmother, Terri Moulton Horman, remains the focus of investigators. But they still don't know what happened to the child and have had to consider all options, including his being abducted, becoming a victim of human trafficking or being killed.    (snip)

(snip)   During the investigation of the other potential persons of interest, the team realized that some evidence -- namely phone records and computer log-on information from Skyline School the day Kyron went missing -- were not kept by the school district as the sheriff's office didn't request the preservation of those records.   (snip)



Puzzler: Thanks for the links.

Well, color me stupid. Way to go Barney Fife.  ::MonkeyMad::

Sass it makes me upset as well. How could they not ask for the school records to be preserved? The school would have been the first crime scene. Makes me wonder if the evidence is in something they forgot to get or neglected to look at. It begs the question, what else did they miss?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on June 04, 2011, 01:40:05 PM
Sorry I am coming off angry but the fact LE is giving up and that is what they are doing, they are just coloring pretty, it does not sit well with me at all. They say they looked at 60 persons of interest but admit they didn't get records from the school, the last place Kyron was at. The school didn't have common sense practices, the police didn't conduct a complete investigation, Kyron got less then what he deserved.

I pray that Desiree will hire a private PI. She needs one now if she doesn't want this to take the 5 years Kaine is talking about.

Kyron needs to be found, what is in place right now is not working. Time to try something new.

God be with you Kyron and may He show the way to you.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: bebecat on June 04, 2011, 03:31:52 PM
I always thought LE waited far too long to their parking lot reconstruction exercise and this latest news about what LE forgot to do/dudn't do only seals my discomfort with this entire investigation. How everything inside that school, including and especially computer and phone records, were not requested or examined at once, is beyond me. By that Monday LE was probably sure Kyron had not vanished into the woods on his own and if they had learned records had already been destroyed that first weekend, for example, they would have had good reason to look towards those who destroyed them. But if they did not seek the records until much later, the reasons become hazier and the destruction could be explained away.

Ugh, I just feel rotten about this entire case and how it has and continues to be handled.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on June 04, 2011, 04:04:01 PM
I have been thinking about this whole phone record thing. From what I understand nothing on a phone record or a computer record ever really goes poof. You can't erase anything forever, there is always an imprint of it or a copy of it somewhere. Is this correct?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 04, 2011, 04:31:01 PM
I have been thinking about this whole phone record thing. From what I understand nothing on a phone record or a computer record ever really goes poof. You can't erase anything forever, there is always an imprint of it or a copy of it somewhere. Is this correct?

TG: There is a lot of stuff out there that can make information go poof. Look at this link, and read the article. As far as computer records, there is a software system called Vanish that uses encryption keys to delete information. It's free to the public and can be used easily.

http://www.isa.org/InTechTemplate.cfm?template=/ContentManagement/ContentDisplay.cfm&ContentID=78132 (http://www.isa.org/InTechTemplate.cfm?template=/ContentManagement/ContentDisplay.cfm&ContentID=78132)

 ::snipping2::

“A major advantage of Vanish is that users don’t need to trust us, or any service that we provide, to protect or delete the data,” Geambasu said.

Researchers liken using Vanish to writing a message in the sand at low tide, where a person can read it for only a few hours before the tide comes in and permanently washes it away. Erasing the data does not require any special action by the sender, the recipient, or any third party service.

“Our goal was really to come up with a system where, through a property of nature, the message, or the data, disappears,” Levy said.

Released this week, Vanish is a free, open-source tool that works with the Firefox browser. To work, the sender and the recipient must have installed the tool. The sender then highlights any sensitive text entered into the browser and presses the “Vanish” button. The tool encrypts the information with a key unknown even to the sender.

You can read the text for a limited time only, when the recipient highlights the text and presses the “Vanish” button to unscramble it. After eight hours, the message will be impossible to unscramble and will remain gibberish forever.

Vanish works with any text entered into a web browser: Web-based e-mail such as Hotmail, Yahoo!, and Gmail, web chat, or the social networking sites MySpace and Facebook. The Vanish prototype now works only for text, but researchers said the same technique could work for any type of data, such as digital photos.

It is technically possible to save information sent with Vanish. A recipient could print e-mail and save it, or cut and paste unencrypted text into a word-processing document, or photograph an unscrambled message. Vanish is meant to protect communication between two trusted parties, researchers said.

“Today, many people pick up the phone when they want to talk with a lawyer or have a private conversation,” Kohno said. “But more and more communication is happening online. Vanish is designed to give people the same privacy for e-mail and the web that they expect for a phone conversation.”


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on June 04, 2011, 07:10:40 PM
But why would the school go to such lengths to erase messages? Seems sort of over the top to me but then again, not sure of the normal practice of a school in regards to computer and phone records.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on June 04, 2011, 10:34:58 PM
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/06/kyron_horman_task_force_to_dis.html
 

Kyron Horman task force to disband July 1, but will re-form if 'something breaks,' sheriff says

(snip)  Multnomah County Sheriff's detectives, FBI agents and up to four state justice department investigators have spent the past six months examining at least 60 persons of interest in the disappearance of Kyron from his school.  (snip)

(snip)  At the one-year anniversary of Kyron's disappearance, Kyron's stepmother, Terri Moulton Horman, remains the focus of investigators. But they still don't know what happened to the child and have had to consider all options, including his being abducted, becoming a victim of human trafficking or being killed.    (snip)

(snip)   During the investigation of the other potential persons of interest, the team realized that some evidence -- namely phone records and computer log-on information from Skyline School the day Kyron went missing -- were not kept by the school district as the sheriff's office didn't request the preservation of those records.   (snip)



Wow, at least 60 persons of interest. Too bad about the records from school.

This really upsets me.  Seems LE had done everything possible to "protect" that school.  This is just another example.
Also, I don't know if the reporter has his words confused or mixe up, but "went missing" and "were not kept" are two different meanings.   I'm assuming that's on th computer log-in information.  Can someone explain to me "why" phone records cannon be obtained by the carrier?  Isn't that the way that all other phone records are obtained during a criminal investigation? Or, was there some kind of internal phone record kept by the school.   


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on June 05, 2011, 12:05:02 AM
 ::HelloKitty::

The records make no sense.

I think most school districts keep their records for a long time.

I doubt if a school would use a vanish program...  Why would they do that?  I have never heard of a school doing that. 



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on June 05, 2011, 02:04:04 AM
Bringing over a post by Neighbor from BOC:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-136/#comments

neighbor says:
June 4, 2011 at 3:14 pm
Rose says:
June 3, 2011 at 9:04 am

(snipped) I believe MCSO was so influenced by TY/DY’s determination Terri did it, and catching that flake would be easy, they skipped a professional approach from Day1.
_ _ _ _ _

I can’t agree more. MCSO missed the opportunity not only to solve this case, but also to gain respect in a community. I appreciate their effort, but some of their behavior has been unprofessional. Let me give some example of how it should be:

- That first Saturday, I got visit from two FBI agents. They were polite, used prepared questionnaires, did not wear visible weapons, searched most nooks of my the property and house, had quick access to facts such as photos. In short: quick and to the point.

- Same approach when they followed their profile a few months ago. This time they were checking alibis and doing a more psychological approach. Uncomfortable, but again professional and to the point.

Now, back to MCSO, how can Staton state the he is not “disappointed with the progress of the investigation”? Why announce closing the Task Force on suck a sensitive moment for the family? Why keep up the appearance that this is an isolated event, when even outsiders realize that TMH couldn’t have done it by herself.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on June 05, 2011, 02:24:14 AM
http://mobile.oregonlive.com/advorg/db_270548/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=26BrT6NT&storycount=138&detailindex=3&pn=&ps=&full=true

At this link is a picture of the new billboard that Desiree Young had put up for Kyron.

"Why" does it not have a number to call????????


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on June 05, 2011, 08:21:46 AM
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/
Kyron Horman case: 1 year since Kyron went missing
Posted on June 5, 2011 by Valhall


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: klaasend on June 05, 2011, 12:22:52 PM
http://www.katu.com/news/local/123168548.html

Kyron's Grandma: 'We just need to find him, bring him home'
By Patrick Preston KATU News Published: Jun 4, 2011 at 5:19 PM PDT Last Updated: Jun 4, 2011 at 6:37 PM PDT

 ::snipping2::

Kaine and his family said they’re still trying to be patient, hoping it pays off in the end with Kyron’s safe return.
 
“Really there’s no sense of false hope,” Kaine said. “There’s no expecting it’s going to be done in a short amount of time. We have to be ready to go as long as it takes.”
 
Kyron’s grandmother Kris Horman was at the work party on Saturday. She has stayed out of the media spotlight through the entire ordeal, but broke her silence on the one-year anniversary.
 
“We’re going to believe we’re going to find him and there are a lot of people out there that do,” she said. “It’s that positive energy, that’s what’s going to bring him home.”
 
Grandma Kris, as she is known, said she is trying to be patient and knows that miracles do happen.
 
“He’s with us,” she said. “We just need to find him, bring him home.”

 ::snipping2::

http://bringkyronhome.org/


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Amys Sister on June 05, 2011, 01:08:37 PM
I wonder if Kaine will be so patient about his pending divorce?

Kyron is with us?  He's in our hearts?  We need to remain positive? 
http://www.katu.com/news/local/123168548.html


No, he's not with you and no amount of positivity is going to bring him home.  Hiring a kick a** PI, that might do it.  Meeting personally with witnesses willing to talk might help.  Trusting investigators with a room full of paperwork and tons of money to their name who still might need four years won't do it.  They had a school full of witnesses, friends with bat phones who are also witnesses, emails, video, pictures, and they have no idea what happened that morning?  Really?  No idea?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I get that until you've walked in the shoes of the parent of a missing child a person does not know how they would react.  I'm just the type of person that when a physician makes a diagnosis I google until I'm sure he's right.  More than once he has not been correct and I've figured out on my own what the correct diagnosis is (in one case my child had a brain tumor and doctor said the tics and other ailments were 'normal', thank goodness I'm tenacious and willing to think for myself)

LE can continue doing what they do but I sure as heck would be doing what I could as well to make sure my child was either found or the evidence lay bare before me so I could surmise to at least SOME degree what became of him.

Sorry for the rant.   ::MonkeyCool::







Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: bebecat on June 05, 2011, 01:35:58 PM
Positive energy will not bring Kyron home.

Searching MIGHT bring him home.
A confession MIGHT bring him home.
A hiker/hunter/worker MIGHT bring home.
The right tip MIGHT bring home.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 05, 2011, 02:04:20 PM
I wonder if Kaine will be so patient about his pending divorce?

Kyron is with us?  He's in our hearts?  We need to remain positive? 
http://www.katu.com/news/local/123168548.html


No, he's not with you and no amount of positivity is going to bring him home.  Hiring a kick a** PI, that might do it.  Meeting personally with witnesses willing to talk might help.  Trusting investigators with a room full of paperwork and tons of money to their name who still might need four years won't do it.  They had a school full of witnesses, friends with bat phones who are also witnesses, emails, video, pictures, and they have no idea what happened that morning?  Really?  No idea?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I get that until you've walked in the shoes of the parent of a missing child a person does not know how they would react.  I'm just the type of person that when a physician makes a diagnosis I google until I'm sure he's right.  More than once he has not been correct and I've figured out on my own what the correct diagnosis is (in one case my child had a brain tumor and doctor said the tics and other ailments were 'normal', thank goodness I'm tenacious and willing to think for myself)

LE can continue doing what they do but I sure as heck would be doing what I could as well to make sure my child was either found or the evidence lay bare before me so I could surmise to at least SOME degree what became of him.

Sorry for the rant.   ::MonkeyCool::







Amy: I totally understand your anger and disappointment in the lack of evidence found after so many agencies were involved. Not only do they not have any evidence to state a POI publicly, but they don't seem to have a clue as to where Kyron is, or even what happened that day.

Wrt hiring a PI and/or other outside sources, I agree. They should have let, a person whom shall not be named, search that property with their SAR dogs. It's just unbelievable to me.

Right now, I'm at a loss as what to say or even what to sleuth. I'm just deeply disappointed in how this whole investigation was handled.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 05, 2011, 02:06:51 PM
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/
Kyron Horman case: 1 year since Kyron went missing
Posted on June 5, 2011 by Valhall


Thanks trim! I always enjoy reading Valhalls blogs. She's got fire and spunk.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on June 05, 2011, 04:08:50 PM
Amy I agree with all you said and I too am finding myself very frustrated with the whole thing. Sass I agree with you and the search dogs. I agree a pi needs to begin working on this case. The investigation so far has not uncovered anything it seems so time to start something new.

Desiree has, in my opinion, a more grounded view, I hope and pray she and Tony hires a private investigator to help. Someone with fresh eyes and no ties to the community or is within the political arena may be worth considering.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Gypsy DD on June 05, 2011, 08:26:38 PM
But why would the school go to such lengths to erase messages? Seems sort of over the top to me but then again, not sure of the normal practice of a school in regards to computer and phone records.

I can't imagine any reason a school would need or want a program like that..just not needed in the school environment.

Also I would think that in a school environment they would not erase email files or any other files for a period of time.

And if they are erased they should be retrieveable.

And there are people that work for the federal government and the various branches of the military, many of them as freelance consultants, that are professional hackers and are able to de-crypt anything on a computer.  Case in point the war on terror ..most of those files and email exchanges from Bin Laden's group and the Taliban were encrypted..but they were still hacked by our government and the files retrieved..we have had that ability pre 9/11.

Vanish may be great for a lawyers office..but I bet someone consulting to the federal government has already broken that code and can retrieve data.


Anyhow..my question..Why haven' t they arrested Terri on lesser charges..like the attempted murder for hire deal?

Really..she has to know something or else she would not have remained so quiet for a year..withuot her daughter...if she was completely innocent of anything to do with this and the murder for hire of Kaine..why would she clam up if she has nothing to tell to begin with?  i know her lawyer advised her not to speak..but come on...a year is a long time without your daughter.  If she has nothing to defend ..why the silence.  Even if she is innocent I would think by now her lawyer would have said okay to the divorce and letting her atleast address those issues.  Just makes her look guilty of something if she is refusing to talk..


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: monchichi on June 05, 2011, 09:02:12 PM
I am so disappointed.  I wish they would let us know if DAD and Trejo were unrelated to Kyron's case.  Can't they at least say they've eliminated anything?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Kokos Cat on June 05, 2011, 09:40:41 PM
I wonder if Kaine will be so patient about his pending divorce?

Kyron is with us?  He's in our hearts?  We need to remain positive? 
http://www.katu.com/news/local/123168548.html


No, he's not with you and no amount of positivity is going to bring him home.  Hiring a kick a** PI, that might do it.  Meeting personally with witnesses willing to talk might help.  Trusting investigators with a room full of paperwork and tons of money to their name who still might need four years won't do it.  They had a school full of witnesses, friends with bat phones who are also witnesses, emails, video, pictures, and they have no idea what happened that morning?  Really?  No idea?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I get that until you've walked in the shoes of the parent of a missing child a person does not know how they would react.  I'm just the type of person that when a physician makes a diagnosis I google until I'm sure he's right.  More than once he has not been correct and I've figured out on my own what the correct diagnosis is (in one case my child had a brain tumor and doctor said the tics and other ailments were 'normal', thank goodness I'm tenacious and willing to think for myself)

LE can continue doing what they do but I sure as heck would be doing what I could as well to make sure my child was either found or the evidence lay bare before me so I could surmise to at least SOME degree what became of him.

Sorry for the rant.   ::MonkeyCool::







Amy: I totally understand your anger and disappointment in the lack of evidence found after so many agencies were involved. Not only do they not have any evidence to state a POI publicly, but they don't seem to have a clue as to where Kyron is, or even what happened that day.

Wrt hiring a PI and/or other outside sources, I agree. They should have let, a person whom shall not be named, search that property with their SAR dogs. It's just unbelievable to me.

Right now, I'm at a loss as what to say or even what to sleuth. I'm just deeply disappointed in how this whole investigation was handled.

Yes, and yes Sassi and Amy's, ITA.

IMO, they are going for the "no body" conviction, which takes at least a year.   If a body were to appear at this point, it could screw up the prosecution's current [non]case against a POI, as yet unnamed! 

Also, IMO, this is mistake.  I'm not convinced that TH is totally innocent.  But if the prosecution screws this up by trying to convict without a body -- when actually a SAR person (who will remain nameless) has scent evidence of cadavers in at least two difference locations associated with this case (both heavily searched by LE) -- if they screw this up and a body appears, I'm afraid TH could get off.  This is JMO.  I'm not an attorney. 





Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on June 05, 2011, 10:01:15 PM
 ::HelloKitty::

I think that the nameless "SAR" person has been shown to be a fraud over and over again.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: bebecat on June 05, 2011, 10:50:18 PM
I don't see how a "no body" case can be prosecuted here; no crime scene exists, no sign of injury to Kyron, no previous known abuse or pattern, etc...it would be very difficult, especially when the defense can present tape after tape of Desiree and Kaine both saying that they believe Terri had Kyron stashed somewhere...

In cases like this, the parents would have to testify and would have to say they are convinced Kyron is dead; I am not sure either one could do that with any conviction. Because, how do they know? No one overheard an incident, no one apparently saw anything unusual, and she is said to be on tape in two stores that morning shortly after she left Skyline.

Way too much doubt here, not only that TH is the culprit but that Kyron is not alive. Many people want little children for their own...and would go as far as to steal one. With so many uncertainties in this investigation, destroyed phone records, delay in reconstructing the scene, seemingly not knowing about the man who was cutting the soccer field for a long time...and he saw kids outside unattended...well, even Jose Baez could probably win a case like this one...


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: melisb on June 05, 2011, 10:59:00 PM
I wonder if Kaine will be so patient about his pending divorce?

Kyron is with us?  He's in our hearts?  We need to remain positive? 
http://www.katu.com/news/local/123168548.html


No, he's not with you and no amount of positivity is going to bring him home.  Hiring a kick a** PI, that might do it.  Meeting personally with witnesses willing to talk might help.  Trusting investigators with a room full of paperwork and tons of money to their name who still might need four years won't do it.  They had a school full of witnesses, friends with bat phones who are also witnesses, emails, video, pictures, and they have no idea what happened that morning?  Really?  No idea?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I get that until you've walked in the shoes of the parent of a missing child a person does not know how they would react.  I'm just the type of person that when a physician makes a diagnosis I google until I'm sure he's right.  More than once he has not been correct and I've figured out on my own what the correct diagnosis is (in one case my child had a brain tumor and doctor said the tics and other ailments were 'normal', thank goodness I'm tenacious and willing to think for myself)

LE can continue doing what they do but I sure as heck would be doing what I could as well to make sure my child was either found or the evidence lay bare before me so I could surmise to at least SOME degree what became of him.

Sorry for the rant.   ::MonkeyCool::






I so agree with you!!!   You know they may be listening only to LE and not taking any initiative.  There are so many folks (all MOO, so please don't anyone be offended)who believe only what their docs, LE, people in authority say, the kind of people who won't even take a Tylenol without asking the doc first and don't even use their common sense to help themselves. I would be begging from week one for a PI to help me!  That is, if I was out of my straight jacket by then.  I would let ANY trained, respected, willing to help SAR, PI, former LE, friend, family, anyone that would help me do so!  LE wouldn't be able to tell me to let them handle it!  I would never interfere with their investigation and do all they asked me to do but I would challenge them if they wouldn't let me have outside help!  If my child was missing I'll be darned if I wouldn't go to the end of the earth and back again for him.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on June 05, 2011, 11:14:49 PM
 ::HelloKitty::

so many crazies out there that want to "help".

It's hard to believe that all of those agencies that were working on this screwed it up so badly.  What the heck????


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on June 05, 2011, 11:23:23 PM
I wonder if Kaine will be so patient about his pending divorce?

Kyron is with us?  He's in our hearts?  We need to remain positive? 
http://www.katu.com/news/local/123168548.html


No, he's not with you and no amount of positivity is going to bring him home.  Hiring a kick a** PI, that might do it.  Meeting personally with witnesses willing to talk might help.  Trusting investigators with a room full of paperwork and tons of money to their name who still might need four years won't do it.  They had a school full of witnesses, friends with bat phones who are also witnesses, emails, video, pictures, and they have no idea what happened that morning?  Really?  No idea?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I get that until you've walked in the shoes of the parent of a missing child a person does not know how they would react.  I'm just the type of person that when a physician makes a diagnosis I google until I'm sure he's right.  More than once he has not been correct and I've figured out on my own what the correct diagnosis is (in one case my child had a brain tumor and doctor said the tics and other ailments were 'normal', thank goodness I'm tenacious and willing to think for myself)

LE can continue doing what they do but I sure as heck would be doing what I could as well to make sure my child was either found or the evidence lay bare before me so I could surmise to at least SOME degree what became of him.

Sorry for the rant.   ::MonkeyCool::







Amy: I totally understand your anger and disappointment in the lack of evidence found after so many agencies were involved. Not only do they not have any evidence to state a POI publicly, but they don't seem to have a clue as to where Kyron is, or even what happened that day.

Wrt hiring a PI and/or other outside sources, I agree. They should have let, a person whom shall not be named, search that property with their SAR dogs. It's just unbelievable to me.

Right now, I'm at a loss as what to say or even what to sleuth. I'm just deeply disappointed in how this whole investigation was handled.

Yes, and yes Sassi and Amy's, ITA.

IMO, they are going for the "no body" conviction, which takes at least a year.   If a body were to appear at this point, it could screw up the prosecution's current [non]case against a POI, as yet unnamed! 

Also, IMO, this is mistake.  I'm not convinced that TH is totally innocent.  But if the prosecution screws this up by trying to convict without a body -- when actually a SAR person (who will remain nameless) has scent evidence of cadavers in at least two difference locations associated with this case (both heavily searched by LE) -- if they screw this up and a body appears, I'm afraid TH could get off.  This is JMO.  I'm not an attorney. 





Maybe I'm missing something...but....Staton says they have NO physical evidence of Kryon and a Grand Jury has heard all kinds of testimony....and no one has been indicted.  So, once a year goes by and there's no body found...how could not having enough evidence to indict someone suddenly turn in to evidence because it's been over a year?

Many posters have said that the only evidence is what LE shares with us. 

Okay, what do we know from LE?

Official pressers from Staton in September & December, 2010 and February & May, 2011 - all - tell us they have no suspects, they've checked out persons of interest, they have no physical evidence of Kyron, etc.  All along, LE has told us they don't have the evidence to even name a suspect, let alone make an arrest.

Okay, I take them at their word.  IMO, I don't have a choice.  Otherwise, as embarassed as LE has been, they would have certainly made an arrest.  Legally, it really doesn't matter what either of Kyron's parents say.  Their message is cloaked in their extreme pain.  I understand that.  But....as far as arrests, suspects, etc., the word from LE is "the word".

One year later...."the word" is that oops they forgot to ask the school to retain phone and computer records.  I'm so ticked-off about that.  Hello!?!  How incompetent can you get?  The only good thing wrt phone and computer records is that Staton "hired" experts (probably "because" of not getting the school records).  I'm betting that a bunch of all the records that Staton had the experts check out were all the phone calls made in the area of the school that morning.   

I may be wrong, but since Terri seemed to be LE's tunnel vision scope for a long time, I'm also betting that every single phone call Terri made or received has been checked out, even to the point of following through with each person she talked to - their phone number and all the folks they talked to as well....followed the trail big time on Miss Terri.  Still not enough for an arrest.

The facts are, there's nothing there and after a whole year, this case has gone cold.  After July 1, one detective is assigned to Kyron's case.  IMO, that's a token gesture and a point person that any future tips, etc., would be given to that detective to check out.  LE has gone from inter-action of 42 agencies, 100's or 1000's of searchers, to a task force of 8 and FBI profilers and more searchers, to an addition of two hired experts and 6 FBI Special Agents.  The experts and Special Agents were an all out attempt to hone in and get to the bottom of this case.  The end result is to no longer have the task force and only have one detective assigned to the case. 

I read that they're going to be going to tech stuff...but a detective is not a person who handles tech stuff.  I'm hoping that when Staton addresses the Commissioners we will hear some more details wrt to that aspect.

There are no searches being done.  MCSO doesn't have the funds.  And...I may be wrong, but I can't see how Kaine/Desiree would be getting any substantial donations for searches and Kaine/Desiree have said so many times that "Terri did it", the folks out there - after a whole year - just won't be making donations or not donations of any substantial amount.  I don't mean this to be ugly, but have we ever heard that the collection of money was used to support any search(es)?

Bottom line, after 42 agencies, 1000s of searchers, expert in all things related to cell phones, expert in IT, 6 FBI Special Agents and FBI profilers...all this spanned over an intensive year of investigation...there is nothing.

I'm so angry and I apologize, for I'm sure my post reflects my anger.  So sad that I don't even have the words to describe it.

If I were Kaine/Desiree, like someone else posted, I would have hired my own kick-a** P.I.....looooonnnngggg ago.  Hind sight is always great, though.  I'm not faulting Kaine/Desiree.  I'm just saying what I would have done (and I'm not walking in their shoes and my viewpoint might be greatly different if I were).

Also, I think that meeting personally with witnesses willing to talk might be good, too.....or have a P.I. meet with them.  After all, it surely wouldn't be hindering any official investigation at this time. 

Remember....12 months later.....LE cannot make an arrest, cannot name a suspect and cannot even name a person of interest.

July 1, LE is cutting back Kyron's case to one detective.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on June 05, 2011, 11:25:24 PM
::HelloKitty::

so many crazies out there that want to "help".

It's hard to believe that all of those agencies that were working on this screwed it up so badly.  What the heck????

IMO all those agencies didn't screw it up so badly....the evidence is NOT there.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Monkey King on June 05, 2011, 11:52:39 PM

Maybe I'm missing something...but....Staton says they have NO physical evidence of Kryon and a Grand Jury has heard all kinds of testimony....and no one has been indicted.  So, once a year goes by and there's no body found...how could not having enough evidence to indict someone suddenly turn in to evidence because it's been over a year?

Many posters have said that the only evidence is what LE shares with us. 

Okay, what do we know from LE?

Official pressers from Staton in September & December, 2010 and February & May, 2011 - all - tell us they have no suspects, they've checked out persons of interest, they have no physical evidence of Kyron, etc.  All along, LE has told us they don't have the evidence to even name a suspect, let alone make an arrest.

Okay, I take them at their word.  IMO, I don't have a choice.  Otherwise, as embarassed as LE has been, they would have certainly made an arrest.  Legally, it really doesn't matter what either of Kyron's parents say.  Their message is cloaked in their extreme pain.  I understand that.  But....as far as arrests, suspects, etc., the word from LE is "the word".

One year later...."the word" is that oops they forgot to ask the school to retain phone and computer records.  I'm so ticked-off about that.  Hello!?!  How incompetent can you get?  The only good thing wrt phone and computer records is that Staton "hired" experts (probably "because" of not getting the school records).  I'm betting that a bunch of all the records that Staton had the experts check out were all the phone calls made in the area of the school that morning.   

I may be wrong, but since Terri seemed to be LE's tunnel vision scope for a long time, I'm also betting that every single phone call Terri made or received has been checked out, even to the point of following through with each person she talked to - their phone number and all the folks they talked to as well....followed the trail big time on Miss Terri.  Still not enough for an arrest.

The facts are, there's nothing there and after a whole year, this case has gone cold.  After July 1, one detective is assigned to Kyron's case.  IMO, that's a token gesture and a point person that any future tips, etc., would be given to that detective to check out.  LE has gone from inter-action of 42 agencies, 100's or 1000's of searchers, to a task force of 8 and FBI profilers and more searchers, to an addition of two hired experts and 6 FBI Special Agents.  The experts and Special Agents were an all out attempt to hone in and get to the bottom of this case.  The end result is to no longer have the task force and only have one detective assigned to the case. 

I read that they're going to be going to tech stuff...but a detective is not a person who handles tech stuff.  I'm hoping that when Staton addresses the Commissioners we will hear some more details wrt to that aspect.

There are no searches being done.  MCSO doesn't have the funds.  And...I may be wrong, but I can't see how Kaine/Desiree would be getting any substantial donations for searches and Kaine/Desiree have said so many times that "Terri did it", the folks out there - after a whole year - just won't be making donations or not donations of any substantial amount.  I don't mean this to be ugly, but have we ever heard that the collection of money was used to support any search(es)?

Bottom line, after 42 agencies, 1000s of searchers, expert in all things related to cell phones, expert in IT, 6 FBI Special Agents and FBI profilers...all this spanned over an intensive year of investigation...there is nothing.

I'm so angry and I apologize, for I'm sure my post reflects my anger.  So sad that I don't even have the words to describe it.

If I were Kaine/Desiree, like someone else posted, I would have hired my own kick-a** P.I.....looooonnnngggg ago.  Hind sight is always great, though.  I'm not faulting Kaine/Desiree.  I'm just saying what I would have done (and I'm not walking in their shoes and my viewpoint might be greatly different if I were).

Also, I think that meeting personally with witnesses willing to talk might be good, too.....or have a P.I. meet with them.  After all, it surely wouldn't be hindering any official investigation at this time. 

Remember....12 months later.....LE cannot make an arrest, cannot name a suspect and cannot even name a person of interest.

July 1, LE is cutting back Kyron's case to one detective.


Wow, great points made. 

All that manpower, all those resources and nothing.

Now, Kyron Horman slips into the void of unsolved cases.

It's awful and, like so many, I am disappointed.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: bebecat on June 05, 2011, 11:55:50 PM
They made some mistakes and it seems they could be costly, since they have not been able to advance the case at all. Not telling the school to keep the records was a mistake and we don't know how big a mistake, but one a defense would exploit. Not interviewing the groundskeeper until, was it August, is a mistake, they should have known within days everyone who was working on the property in any function on June 4th. Not doing the whole where did you park and did you see this white truck thing for a while was a mistake, no one has that good of a memory. People will try to recall and even "invent" things to be helpful, thinking they are telling the truth and all it does is add more confusion. LE said in their own press release a few days ago Kyron was last seen at the doorway of his classroom (and they do NOT say by who)-this means that Desiree's talk about Kyron being in the parking lot by the truck did not pan out. But I am sure in her mind, he was still in that parking lot. Kaine tried to tell her at the time that it had not been confirmed but she just nodded away, oh yes he was. Any little thing like that which LE has ruled out, Desiree still clings to as a part of her "tons of evidence" against Terri. I am a huge supporter of Desiree...but I can't take what she says about the case seriously, I just can't- MCSO knows they can't move forward; they don't have a ton of evidence against anyone.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on June 05, 2011, 11:57:02 PM
Is the fact that LE is saying some school computer log ins and phone calls are not obtainable and given the fact using some kind of program to wipe things off the face of the earth is sort of over kill, is this a clue? Were some things deleted intentionally?

They said computer log in, not computer emails. Personal emails from teachers to parents should be private and should not be hackable, but I don't see a program wiping them out and not be retrievable.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on June 06, 2011, 12:06:04 AM
::HelloKitty::

so many crazies out there that want to "help".
It's hard to believe that all of those agencies that were working on this screwed it up so badly.  What the heck????

IMO all those agencies didn't screw it up so badly....the evidence is NOT there.


At this point, what is there to lose really. I would have had him searched the property, it is not like he could invent something that is not there. Either he would have found something or not.

As for the evidence. I really believe they lost the chance at the evidence.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: monchichi on June 06, 2011, 12:25:48 AM

As for the evidence. I really believe they lost the chance at the evidence.

Are you referring to the lost school records?  I understand the need to preserve absolutely every piece of information, given the lack of any other evidence, but what kind of info could "log in" records have contained?  Do people believe it was an inside job or that the perp logged in to a computer inside the school?  While it is an unfortunate mistake, I do not believe they "lost the chance" at the evidence.  I can't help but think that even with that missing piece of info, they would be right where they are today.

Whoever disappeared Kyron was either extremely lucky or extremely skilled. ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on June 06, 2011, 12:38:17 AM
::HelloKitty::

so many crazies out there that want to "help".
It's hard to believe that all of those agencies that were working on this screwed it up so badly.  What the heck????

IMO all those agencies didn't screw it up so badly....the evidence is NOT there.


At this point, what is there to lose really. I would have had him searched the property, it is not like he could invent something that is not there. Either he would have found something or not.

As for the evidence. I really believe they lost the chance at the evidence.

With the first loss being "major" one that has haunted Staton and he's said so publicly:

LE lost those first 6 hours because the school did not call about Kyron not being there when roll call was taken.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: monchichi on June 06, 2011, 12:43:25 AM
Could computer log-in records have something to do with why the school failed to notify Kyron's parents?  Didn't they have an auto notification system that failed?  Maybe someone fixed it so that they would have the extra time?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on June 06, 2011, 12:43:25 AM

As for the evidence. I really believe they lost the chance at the evidence.

Are you referring to the lost school records?  I understand the need to preserve absolutely every piece of information, given the lack of any other evidence, but what kind of info could "log in" records have contained?  Do people believe it was an inside job or that the perp logged in to a computer inside the school?  While it is an unfortunate mistake, I do not believe they "lost the chance" at the evidence.  I can't help but think that even with that missing piece of info, they would be right where they are today.

Whoever disappeared Kyron was either extremely lucky or extremely skilled. ::MonkeyNoNo::

I'm not sure how big a loss the school records are...BUT...the management of the investigation - that the school was never asked to retain the records....makes me wonder how good the investigation as a whole was in those first critical days.  Maybe the investigation was a good one; however, an oversight of not requesting school records seems to be an "elementary" part...one that should have never been overlooked.  And, it makes me suspicion the school's efforts NOT to keep the records.
Pardon me, but it makes me think of dumb and dumber.

Any lost "phone" records were probably obtained eventually LE or FBI. 



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on June 06, 2011, 12:45:38 AM
Could computer log-in records have something to do with why the school failed to notify Kyron's parents?  Didn't they have an auto notification system that failed?  Maybe someone fixed it so that they would have the extra time?

I believe we were informed that the school did not have the personnel to make the phone calls.

Okay....just how many kids would be out of school in one day, especially the science fair day, out of what...300-400 students.  I just can't imagine it's not that many.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 06, 2011, 07:31:08 AM
::HelloKitty::

I think that the nameless "SAR" person has been shown to be a fraud over and over again.

Respectfully HK, the "unnamed SAR person" is many things, but a fraud he is not. A person with a large ego, yes.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: melisb on June 06, 2011, 08:31:42 AM
What records exactly are they saying are lost from the school?  A phone call leave a print, a keystroke on the computer leaves a print, I don' get it?  Are they talking about sign in sheets for people visiting the school, ID's given, what?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on June 06, 2011, 08:42:51 AM
What records exactly are they saying are lost from the school?  A phone call leave a print, a keystroke on the computer leaves a print, I don' get it?  Are they talking about sign in sheets for people visiting the school, ID's given, what?

Talking about phone records and computer log-on records.
Maybe the school uses a different system, IDK.
LE didn't ask them to retain records; school didn't think it was important to keep records.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: bebecat on June 06, 2011, 11:14:12 AM
Still, why would the school not check with LE every step of the way as they destroyed records or allowed the system to automatically destroy records pertaining to June 4th? It makes no sense...


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on June 06, 2011, 11:23:58 AM
 ::HelloKitty::

Re the "SAR" person.  I have read on line that some of the claims he made of finding people were false.  When a child goes missing, there are so many kooks out there that are trying to "help".  So  many.

I am getting a feeling that some of the people commenting are happy that this investigation has gone nowhere. I also sense passive agressive remarks about Desiree.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on June 06, 2011, 12:06:59 PM
 ::HelloKitty::

this word describes what I see

Schadenfreude


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 06, 2011, 12:53:09 PM
::HelloKitty::

Re the "SAR" person.  I have read on line that some of the claims he made of finding people were false.  When a child goes missing, there are so many kooks out there that are trying to "help".  So  many.

I am getting a feeling that some of the people commenting are happy that this investigation has gone nowhere. I also sense passive agressive remarks about Desiree.


Respectfully HK, this will be the last time I comment on this. Your facts are incorrect and mere gossip from posters, of which I think is cruel. I've personally spoke to this person many times and have had many communications with him. He wanted to help find Kyron, at no cost.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on June 06, 2011, 01:42:37 PM
 ::HelloKitty::

Nope.  Not gossip from posters.  Look it up on the net and find the facts.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on June 06, 2011, 01:55:19 PM
The fact of the matter is that Desiree and Kaine could hire anyone to search.  It does not have to be the particular person in question.

ITA with others I would be moving and becoming more proactive on my own in the physical search for MY Child and of course still giving TH grief on the side with big billboards and posters all over where ever she chose to go.  But that's JMO cuz I still believe she knows more regarding Kyron's last day.

It's very sad and frustrating and I cannot for one minute begin to comprehend what Kaine and Desiree are thinking and feeling I can only say what I would do in their shoes.  Finding my child would be priority number one all else be damned.  Tim Miller always comes to mind first and foremost even tho there are lots of parents who never give/gave up.   


Prayers for Kyron.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on June 06, 2011, 01:56:18 PM
O/T But anyone seen No Rose Colored Glasses around?  Miss her!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Amys Sister on June 06, 2011, 02:00:43 PM
::HelloKitty::

this word describes what I see

Schadenfreude

 ::MonkeyEek::

Hello Kitty, you think posters here are deriving pleasure from Kyron, Desiree, and Kaine's misfortune?

I don't see that at all... I see total frustration with the way this investigation has gone and the lack of information released on whether there is a predator at large whom LE refuses to discuss.

I believe there is a person who took Kyron, at the behest of Terri, and anyone willing to do such a thing is most likely capable of doing it again.  LE has proven over and over again that their focus is on solving crimes, not warning the public of present danger.

IMO, these things go hand in hand and crimes may be solved more efficiently if the public were made aware of investigative findings.  I do see the other side of that, which is privacy related, but we must find some medium ground.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Amys Sister on June 06, 2011, 02:04:32 PM
Fatcatlurker, yes, the parents need to take the bull by the horns and get on with their own job of finding their child.  LE has a job but it is not always in the best interest of victims and potential victims.

That said, time is of the essence.  Too much goes by and the lesser the chance becomes of finding the child or attaining any type of conviction.  The trail just goes cold.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 06, 2011, 02:04:52 PM
::HelloKitty::

Nope.  Not gossip from posters.  Look it up on the net and find the facts.

HK: You made a statement on SM without any links to verify it. I'm not doing your work for you.

Moving on...........  ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on June 06, 2011, 04:58:13 PM
::HelloKitty::

Re the "SAR" person.  I have read on line that some of the claims he made of finding people were false.  When a child goes missing, there are so many kooks out there that are trying to "help".  So  many.

I am getting a feeling that some of the people commenting are happy that this investigation has gone nowhere. I also sense passive agressive remarks about Desiree.


Everyone has an opinion, this one just happens to be very wrong and a bit mean spirited as well. Oh well.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on June 06, 2011, 05:10:06 PM
::HelloKitty::

Re the "SAR" person.  I have read on line that some of the claims he made of finding people were false.  When a child goes missing, there are so many kooks out there that are trying to "help".  So  many.

I am getting a feeling that some of the people commenting are happy that this investigation has gone nowhere. I also sense passive agressive remarks about Desiree.


But if he was offering to look for free, then what would he gain out of it. Either he would find a body or not. I just never understood the reason behind the decision to say no to him. All he wanted was something of Kyrons and to see what, if anything was on the property his dogs hit on. Ultimately it was Kaines decision and he made his choice, so ok.

Regarding Desiree, I think everyone is behind Desiree and we all see she is not going to back down. From the outside looking in we can see what has been missing, a PI working for the family. That is not passive aggressive, it is supportive of finding Kyron.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on June 06, 2011, 05:11:23 PM
Fatcatlurker, yes, the parents need to take the bull by the horns and get on with their own job of finding their child.  LE has a job but it is not always in the best interest of victims and potential victims.

That said, time is of the essence.  Too much goes by and the lesser the chance becomes of finding the child or attaining any type of conviction.  The trail just goes cold.



Sadly I think politics plays a role.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on June 06, 2011, 07:35:46 PM
 ::HelloKitty::

I


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on June 06, 2011, 07:40:32 PM
 ::HelloKitty::

I am not putting reference to the "SAR" because on this site, many months ago, it was asked not to talk about him.

I notice that no one is willing to name him, so I certainly am not taking the plunge here. 

There are people that are taking some weird pleasure in this tragedy.  They claim to know things, for instance, when they really do not.  They take pictures off of the google site and pretend they have been there.

As I have said numerous times.  We are nobody.  Kyron's parents have suffered a tragic situation and to second guess them and say things about them to me is passive aggressive.

LE owes no one any info. except what they tell the parents.  The rest of us are nobody and are owed nothing.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Amys Sister on June 06, 2011, 09:57:42 PM
::HelloKitty::

I am not putting reference to the "SAR" because on this site, many months ago, it was asked not to talk about him.

I notice that no one is willing to name him, so I certainly am not taking the plunge here. 

There are people that are taking some weird pleasure in this tragedy.  They claim to know things, for instance, when they really do not.  They take pictures off of the google site and pretend they have been there.

As I have said numerous times.  We are nobody.  Kyron's parents have suffered a tragic situation and to second guess them and say things about them to me is passive aggressive.

LE owes no one any info. except what they tell the parents.  The rest of us are nobody and are owed nothing.



I can see why you would believe this is between LE and the parents of Kyron but there is another side.

The taxpayers are footing the bill for LE to investigate the kidnapping of Kyron, to hunt down the person responsible for planning the abduction, the predator who removed the child, and all accomplices who were involved.  The public is at risk living amongst criminals willing to kidnap a child for unknown and possibly horrible reasons. 

If my neighbors child went missing and all appearances indicated LE botched the investigation and our local school did not protect the missing child I would most definitely be expecting answers.  Who knows how far reaching the criminal activity in Kyron's case is?  LE has an idea but they are remaining mum, which has always bothered me because historically during investigations while LE is distracted or no longer focused on a specific crime the criminals are out harming, murdering, and raping other people.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: bebecat on June 06, 2011, 09:59:37 PM
It is not entirely true that LE owes the public, nothing...LE is responsible for the safety of the community, their only duty it not to keep Kaine and Desiree up to speed. They admitted that they still don't know what they have here and mentioned trafficking again as well as sex offenders in their press release, not in a way that sounds like they have completely ruled out anything at all. In fact I think they mentioned these other scenarios as a way of telling the public, without alarming them, that it is possible there is something here besides a wicked stepmother.

I don't live in Portland, but if I did I would be contacting LE about now with some questions. I would not feel comfortable.

And now I see that the principal of Skyline has been transferred to another school...for what it is worth...(don't have link, but his statement is out there, Ben Keefer I think?)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on June 06, 2011, 10:00:10 PM
Hello Kitty,
We can't say the name Harry Oaks?

I do not agree with you by us stating Desiree should seek a PI is passive aggressive, that doesn't even make sense. If she doesn't want to then that is her decision, but suggesting it is not putting her down.

I think you really need to rethink what you are getting at because it is rude. To say any of us on this thread are taking pleasure in Kyron not being found or an investigation not having the outcome so many have prayed for is off track at best. I think you are just trying to start trouble like you have tried in the past. So go ahead, have it but you are wrong.




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 06, 2011, 10:05:03 PM
::HelloKitty::

I am not putting reference to the "SAR" because on this site, many months ago, it was asked not to talk about him.

I notice that no one is willing to name him, so I certainly am not taking the plunge here. 

There are people that are taking some weird pleasure in this tragedy.  They claim to know things, for instance, when they really do not.  They take pictures off of the google site and pretend they have been there.

As I have said numerous times.  We are nobody.  Kyron's parents have suffered a tragic situation and to second guess them and say things about them to me is passive aggressive.

LE owes no one any info. except what they tell the parents.  The rest of us are nobody and are owed nothing.



HK: His name is Harry Oakes.I'm not afraid to say his name.

I don't know where you are reading, but to defame someones name and call it "fact" from what you read is, IMO, freaking ridiculous. I lived in Oregon City when Ashley went missing. I saw everything, including when HO found their bodies.

Nobody on this forum has posted any "passive aggressive" post' towards Kaine or Desiree. I've had personal contact with Desiree's family. They read here, but you chose to bring that info over here. Has that helped or encouraged Kyron? NO.

IMO, you are way out there and I'm out of here. I'm not going to listen to this BS any longer. If you can't support Kyron and his family on this thread, and just want to throw unsubstantiated chit out there, then that's your prerogative.

Sorry Monkeys. I'm really trying not to be judgmental, but I refuse to listen or partake in this chit.

I'm gone.....
 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on June 06, 2011, 10:20:41 PM
 ::HelloKitty::

Interesting.  I feel people are being incredibly rude about the parents of a missing child.  Implying that they are what____ (fill in the  blank )because they are not going for Harry Oakes or a PI.

If Desiree's family does read here, then I salute them for pressing on in the most difficult situation of anyone's life.

I respect their decisions and conclusions, whatever they may be.  I am not second guessing them on their decisions which are based on information they have and the intelligence that they possess (their brains).





Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: bebecat on June 06, 2011, 11:10:18 PM
Personally, I would not use HO, but I would at this point, or maybe a little sooner, have hired or obtained my own investigators and specialists, just because in spite of LE's best efforts, Kyron has not been found. I felt that HO behaved very unprofessionally by taking his beef to the web when they did not allow him access. And I do not believe that Kyron is on the Horman property, personally.

It is possible to support LE's efforts and still do what you can to find your child. In most cases, families are forced to hire their owns teams, as they would not usually get a full year of searching and investigating by so many LE agents. Kyron's case was different/special/unusual, so LE did spend lots more than other cases. but they did not, as yet, succeed. I could not wait for the case to be solved, that's for sure. I would have to feel as though I was taking action to make sure everything possible was done by someone who answered only to me, at some point.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 06, 2011, 11:25:58 PM
Personally, I would not use HO, but I would at this point, or maybe a little sooner, have hired or obtained my own investigators and specialists, just because in spite of LE's best efforts, Kyron has not been found. I felt that HO behaved very unprofessionally by taking his beef to the web when they did not allow him access. And I do not believe that Kyron is on the Horman property, personally.

It is possible to support LE's efforts and still do what you can to find your child. In most cases, families are forced to hire their owns teams, as they would not usually get a full year of searching and investigating by so many LE agents. Kyron's case was different/special/unusual, so LE did spend lots more than other cases. but they did not, as yet, succeed. I could not wait for the case to be solved, that's for sure. I would have to feel as though I was taking action to make sure everything possible was done by someone who answered only to me, at some point.


BBM

Yeah, I said I was gone, but I peeked.

I would hire Daffy Duck to find my child. Your overall post was right on. It doesn't matter who finds Kyron, as long as he is brought home.

I would not discount that he is not on the Horman property. I know for a fact that in the beginning, MCSO used inferred, horses, SAR, etc. (that was earlier in the case), but that doesn't mean that Kyron wasn't moved. I don't like to speculate or assume. ANYTHING is possible in this case.

TY bebe for that post.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: klaasend on June 07, 2011, 12:29:49 AM
::HelloKitty::

I am not putting reference to the "SAR" because on this site, many months ago, it was asked not to talk about him.

I notice that no one is willing to name him, so I certainly am not taking the plunge here. 

There are people that are taking some weird pleasure in this tragedy.  They claim to know things, for instance, when they really do not.  They take pictures off of the google site and pretend they have been there.

As I have said numerous times.  We are nobody.  Kyron's parents have suffered a tragic situation and to second guess them and say things about them to me is passive aggressive.

LE owes no one any info. except what they tell the parents.  The rest of us are nobody and are owed nothing.



I'll name him, HARRY OAKS.  I don't personally care for his style but I've never seen any proof that he is a fraud.  Seems to me you came here to pick a fight?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on June 07, 2011, 12:42:16 AM
Bringing over this post from BOC.  Looks like the principal of Skyline School has reassigned to another school:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/

WPG says:
June 6, 2011 at 5:33 pm
neighbor says:
June 6, 2011 at 4:54 pm
http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/Blink replies:
“Heh?
B”

Oh, my, my.

This is just me, but what will some of the parents of the “other school” think now that the man coming to be in charge of their children, is the one who basically, was with whom the “bucked stopped” in terms of

* the auto-call-parent system – - – system was in the school prior to June 4, it just hadn’t been hooked up yet
* rules of sign-in/out, visitor i.d., etc. were not enforced on June 4
* tech-records which were obviously potential evidence, were neither secured right away or at ANY point following Kyron’s KIDNAPPING.

With much respect, I have to ask, do these folks have a spokesperson? A seven year old child was abducted from this school, and he has not been found, and no arrests have been made, and the task force is to be disbanded in a month.

This is an appropriate public statement? I mean this sincerely and with empathy- what the hell is in the water?

sigh.
B



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on June 07, 2011, 01:36:58 AM
Personally, I would not use HO, but I would at this point, or maybe a little sooner, have hired or obtained my own investigators and specialists, just because in spite of LE's best efforts, Kyron has not been found. I felt that HO behaved very unprofessionally by taking his beef to the web when they did not allow him access. And I do not believe that Kyron is on the Horman property, personally.

It is possible to support LE's efforts and still do what you can to find your child. In most cases, families are forced to hire their owns teams, as they would not usually get a full year of searching and investigating by so many LE agents. Kyron's case was different/special/unusual, so LE did spend lots more than other cases. but they did not, as yet, succeed. I could not wait for the case to be solved, that's for sure. I would have to feel as though I was taking action to make sure everything possible was done by someone who answered only to me, at some point.


BBM

Yeah, I said I was gone, but I peeked.

I would hire Daffy Duck to find my child. Your overall post was right on. It doesn't matter who finds Kyron, as long as he is brought home.

I would not discount that he is not on the Horman property. I know for a fact that in the beginning, MCSO used inferred, horses, SAR, etc. (that was earlier in the case), but that doesn't mean that Kyron wasn't moved. I don't like to speculate or assume. ANYTHING is possible in this case.

TY bebe for that post.



Sass take a deep breath. See you and I agree on one important point, it doesn't matter who looks, just as long as the child is found. I am not sure I would seek out HO, but if he asked to do it for free I would say yes because who knows. If he found nothing, great, but what if he found something? I think forever I would be asking myself, what if. That is what I want every family to avoid asking themselves, what if....
There are other sars teams out there. In the Amber's case Carry hired a dog team I think a year later and they hit pretty close to where Amber was found. Perhaps Carry can give the name of the team they used? If help is needed with that I can try to find out the name and get that information to whoever.
Anyway, I am going to sleep now. Goodnight everyone. Sass I expect to see you here again, don't leave.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: melisb on June 07, 2011, 08:46:32 AM
::HelloKitty::

I am not putting reference to the "SAR" because on this site, many months ago, it was asked not to talk about him.

I notice that no one is willing to name him, so I certainly am not taking the plunge here. 

There are people that are taking some weird pleasure in this tragedy.  They claim to know things, for instance, when they really do not.  They take pictures off of the google site and pretend they have been there.

As I have said numerous times.  We are nobody.  Kyron's parents have suffered a tragic situation and to second guess them and say things about them to me is passive aggressive.

LE owes no one any info. except what they tell the parents.  The rest of us are nobody and are owed nothing.



I'll name him, HARRY OAKS.  I don't personally care for his style but I've never seen any proof that he is a fraud.  Seems to me you came here to pick a fight?


Thank you Klaas! Go back and look at HK's posts...they all seem to try to get under the skin of the person posting next to her.  None of us mind differing opinions and welcome them. Her posts borderline on rude everytime and I don't get it.  Maybe she's just new to a forum but to say to my fellow Monkey, (my own words) about HO, 'nope, go look it up on the internet' is almost rude. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on June 07, 2011, 10:34:23 AM
 ::HelloKitty::

I don't have time now, but I promise that I will find the information about Harry if it hasn't gone poof.

I have to say that I am very upset about people saying things about the parents of a missing child.  I feel they have enough pain without people implying that the parents are not doing enough.  They have family and friends that give them advice, I am sure.

If I had been doing what I could in a situation, be it whatever it is, and people on the internet feel that they have to second guess me, I would be upset.  We don't know what the parents know.  We don't know why they make the decisions that they do.  But i trust that they will do what they can to find their child.  The criticism of them really really really bothers me. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on June 07, 2011, 12:07:16 PM

Harry Oakes - Search Dogs
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8432.msg1217245#msg1217245


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on June 07, 2011, 01:43:43 PM
::HelloKitty::

I don't have time now, but I promise that I will find the information about Harry if it hasn't gone poof.

I have to say that I am very upset about people saying things about the parents of a missing child.  I feel they have enough pain without people implying that the parents are not doing enough.  They have family and friends that give them advice, I am sure.

If I had been doing what I could in a situation, be it whatever it is, and people on the internet feel that they have to second guess me, I would be upset.  We don't know what the parents know.  We don't know why they make the decisions that they do.  But i trust that they will do what they can to find their child.  The criticism of them really really really bothers me. 

No body is being critical of anything. I suppose there are different type of supporter. Those who sit and hold the hand of people in trouble or hurting and then there are others who want to offer options used in other similar situations learned through experience. Both help, both are fine, both are supportive. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on June 07, 2011, 08:04:47 PM
 ::HelloKitty::

this is info from his blog/my space that does not exist anymore.

http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?t=51216&page=6


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on June 07, 2011, 08:12:58 PM
 ::HelloKitty::

Looking at the experience of Yuri M (the detective in the Casey Anthony case) who wrote about nothing related to Casey, I can see why Harry Oakes cannot be used.

Yuri was spanked for writing on Websleuths.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 07, 2011, 08:17:01 PM
::HelloKitty::

this is info from his blog/my space that does not exist anymore.

http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?t=51216&page=6

HK: I'm familiar with that. HO was looking for someone with a boat that he could search SI. Remember, he was using his own money for this.

You have proven nothing, and the fact that you are trying to discredit a man that searches for missing people; mostly at his expense, is quite frankly sinful. You seem to be on this vendetta to discredit him and it offends me.

I personally think you need to rethink your purpose here. Are you here to support Kyron or are you here to pick people apart. I think you're here to troll. JMO.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 07, 2011, 08:20:05 PM
::HelloKitty::

Looking at the experience of Yuri M (the detective in the Casey Anthony case) who wrote about nothing related to Casey, I can see why Harry Oakes cannot be used.

Yuri was spanked for writing on Websleuths.

You are an embarrassment. You make assumptions without looking at the facts. You come in here and try to blame the Monkeys for not supporting the families decisions. Wtf are you doing?

Sorry again Monkeys, but I'm freaking fed up with this poster.  ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 07, 2011, 08:43:11 PM
::HelloKitty::

Looking at the experience of Yuri M (the detective in the Casey Anthony case) who wrote about nothing related to Casey, I can see why Harry Oakes cannot be used.

Yuri was spanked for writing on Websleuths.

One more thing. HO NEVER posted on SM. I gave him some Q & A's through email, and posted them on SM.

Maybe you should use your talent for discrediting people/ Monkeys to searching for Kyron. That would be more useful.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sunshine12 on June 07, 2011, 09:48:50 PM
sassifrass-thank you for your continued advocacy for finding kyron.  i haven't been in this thread for awhile but I just read through all of the posts and it is posters like you that help make scared monkeys a wonderful place. 

it makes me so sad that it has been a year since kyron disappeared and i feel like all we have now is a pending divorce case :(  It's so upsetting to think that the police really must not have much evidence.  i hope something breaks sometime soon.

prayers for kyron, desiree, kaine, tony, kiera, and all loved ones of kyron who must continue to ask why? and wonder where their beautiful boy is.  this is just heartbreaking


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: bebecat on June 07, 2011, 11:14:59 PM
It is upsetting to me that nothing has changed in an entire year. I can't think of too many cases involving a child with so little info from LE during the space of a year, even if they are not able to make an arrest. Sometimes the public has to know more, in order to be able to provide information. It may be too late now, for people to recall things they may have known 11 months ago or so.

I do think Desiree's husband being LE has held her back from taking any personal action as far as hiring outside investigators. Maybe she will want to try that now, whether or not it will do any good, who can say. But sometimes I felt as though she was going thru the motions when she kept saying she had faith in LE; the frustration came thru at times...Kaine, on the other hand, I have no idea what is going on in his head. I could never be that patient and sure could not talk in terms of "years", not when Kyron hasn't even been found. I know LE would not like me, by this point, not at all...

I wish I felt that the divorce case would help in finding out what happened to Kyron, but I don't believe that. If TH did this, she can't talk, not now, now ever. It is way too late for her to make any deals, in my opinion, especially if he is not alive. I doubt we will ever her voice.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: klaasend on June 07, 2011, 11:21:55 PM
HelloKitty - you aren't making any sense. 

Sass - please don't let one uninformed person get to you.  Just not worth it. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Kokos Cat on June 08, 2011, 12:04:36 AM
HelloKitty - you aren't making any sense. 

Sass - please don't let one uninformed person get to you.  Just not worth it. 

Dear Sassi,

Sorry I've been off line!  A beloved family member is going through a critical transition/time in their life, and I'm happy to have been there for them (and need to be throughout the rest of this week.) -- But, I have missed you and have been meaning to reach out and thank you for your work on Kyron's behalf.  We really need to talk.  I wish I had your email.  Sigh. 

Anyway, please know that I'm grateful for your continued support in the search for Kyron...

Hope to see you online soon, my friend!

Koko


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Kokos Cat on June 08, 2011, 12:14:13 AM

Harry Oakes - Search Dogs
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8432.msg1217245#msg1217245

Thanks Muffy Bee for this link!  Sassi did a lot of work on this, gathering info from HO and trying to help the family locate Kyron.   In the meantime, Klaas was brave/open minded enough to allow it, when most other site's had banned the mention of his name. 

Anyway, I don't want to make a big deal about this other than to say thank you for letting us look at every avenue and turn over every slimy rock to see what lurks beneath.  Ugh.  It hasn't been pretty. 

Onward, though!  Strength & prayers to you, my Monkey Friends,

Kokos



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: hellokitty on June 08, 2011, 10:13:24 AM
 ::HelloKitty::

What I am referring to is the information that HO gave online on his Myspace.

He talked to potential witnesses and put it out on the internet.  He gave information about Terri Horman that has never been released anywhere except on his information that he gave out to the internet.

Yuri merely answered some people on Websleuths who had expressed some interest in him.  He did not talk about the Casey Anthony case at all, but him talking on the internet was not OK.  His whole testimony could have been denied by the judge.

Therein lies the problems. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 08, 2011, 02:24:25 PM
This is a video message from Ruthie In The Sky to Terri Moulton Horman and Houze.  ::MonkeyShocked::

http://www.youtube.com/user/ruthiesky#p/u/1/LSsjyS9CYrY (http://www.youtube.com/user/ruthiesky#p/u/1/LSsjyS9CYrY)

Ruthie's Blog: http://ruthiessky.blogspot.com/ (http://ruthiessky.blogspot.com/)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 08, 2011, 02:25:06 PM
sassifrass-thank you for your continued advocacy for finding kyron.  i haven't been in this thread for awhile but I just read through all of the posts and it is posters like you that help make scared monkeys a wonderful place. 

it makes me so sad that it has been a year since kyron disappeared and i feel like all we have now is a pending divorce case :(  It's so upsetting to think that the police really must not have much evidence.  i hope something breaks sometime soon.

prayers for kyron, desiree, kaine, tony, kiera, and all loved ones of kyron who must continue to ask why? and wonder where their beautiful boy is.  this is just heartbreaking

TY!  ::MonkeyAngel::  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 08, 2011, 02:27:22 PM
HelloKitty - you aren't making any sense. 

Sass - please don't let one uninformed person get to you.  Just not worth it. 

Klaas: I'm over her. I did my rage and in the future, I'll just try and ignore the poster. Thanks for the pep talk.  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 08, 2011, 02:30:30 PM
HelloKitty - you aren't making any sense. 

Sass - please don't let one uninformed person get to you.  Just not worth it. 

Dear Sassi,

Sorry I've been off line!  A beloved family member is going through a critical transition/time in their life, and I'm happy to have been there for them (and need to be throughout the rest of this week.) -- But, I have missed you and have been meaning to reach out and thank you for your work on Kyron's behalf.  We really need to talk.  I wish I had your email.  Sigh. 

Anyway, please know that I'm grateful for your continued support in the search for Kyron...

Hope to see you online soon, my friend!

Koko

Koko: You can email me any time. My email for here is on my sig line. So sorry to hear about your family member. I'll be sure to say a special prayer along with my prayers for Kyron.  ::MonkeyAngel::

Sure miss ya my friend.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on June 08, 2011, 05:17:57 PM
This is a video message from Ruthie In The Sky to Terri Moulton Horman and Houze.  ::MonkeyShocked::

http://www.youtube.com/user/ruthiesky#p/u/1/LSsjyS9CYrY (http://www.youtube.com/user/ruthiesky#p/u/1/LSsjyS9CYrY)

Ruthie's Blog: http://ruthiessky.blogspot.com/ (http://ruthiessky.blogspot.com/)

I recall reading her blog a while back and wrote to Sebastian about her.  Yikes!  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 08, 2011, 06:10:09 PM
This is a video message from Ruthie In The Sky to Terri Moulton Horman and Houze.  ::MonkeyShocked::

http://www.youtube.com/user/ruthiesky#p/u/1/LSsjyS9CYrY (http://www.youtube.com/user/ruthiesky#p/u/1/LSsjyS9CYrY)

Ruthie's Blog: http://ruthiessky.blogspot.com/ (http://ruthiessky.blogspot.com/)

I recall reading her blog a while back and wrote to Sebastian about her.  Yikes!  ::MonkeyShocked::

Who's Sebastian TG? That video was scary!  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on June 08, 2011, 08:03:48 PM
This is a video message from Ruthie In The Sky to Terri Moulton Horman and Houze.  ::MonkeyShocked::

http://www.youtube.com/user/ruthiesky#p/u/1/LSsjyS9CYrY (http://www.youtube.com/user/ruthiesky#p/u/1/LSsjyS9CYrY)

Ruthie's Blog: http://ruthiessky.blogspot.com/ (http://ruthiessky.blogspot.com/)

I recall reading her blog a while back and wrote to Sebastian about her.  Yikes!  ::MonkeyShocked::

Who's Sebastian TG? That video was scary!  ::MonkeyEek::

Sebastian was posting on the thread for a while but I haven't seen her in a few months. She and I got to know each other through the Amber Dubois case.

I dropped you an email, did you get it? 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 08, 2011, 08:23:50 PM
This is a video message from Ruthie In The Sky to Terri Moulton Horman and Houze.  ::MonkeyShocked::

http://www.youtube.com/user/ruthiesky#p/u/1/LSsjyS9CYrY (http://www.youtube.com/user/ruthiesky#p/u/1/LSsjyS9CYrY)

Ruthie's Blog: http://ruthiessky.blogspot.com/ (http://ruthiessky.blogspot.com/)

I recall reading her blog a while back and wrote to Sebastian about her.  Yikes!  ::MonkeyShocked::

Who's Sebastian TG? That video was scary!  ::MonkeyEek::

Sebastian was posting on the thread for a while but I haven't seen her in a few months. She and I got to know each other through the Amber Dubois case.

I dropped you an email, did you get it? 

Ohhhhhhh yeah, Sebastian. I adored their posts. A very sensible and well thought out poster. Wish they would come back TG.

Got the email, and sent you one.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 08, 2011, 09:21:57 PM
This is a video message from Ruthie In The Sky to Terri Moulton Horman and Houze.  ::MonkeyShocked::

http://www.youtube.com/user/ruthiesky#p/u/1/LSsjyS9CYrY (http://www.youtube.com/user/ruthiesky#p/u/1/LSsjyS9CYrY)

Ruthie's Blog: http://ruthiessky.blogspot.com/ (http://ruthiessky.blogspot.com/)

I recall reading her blog a while back and wrote to Sebastian about her.  Yikes!  ::MonkeyShocked::

What was with her comment about her and Houze? It seems like she has a personal vendetta aginst Terri. I sure hope she doesn't do anything crazy.

She said in the video that this was her 2nd message to Terri. I didn't see another video focused on her though.

I think Terri better start having a bodyguard. It doesn't look good. LE needs to handle this, not some vigilante. I just don't want to see harm come to anyone. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 08, 2011, 09:50:50 PM
I think it's time to do a little "checky check", sassifrass style. You can never be too sure. It may be nothing, or it could be something.

I would feel more comfortable in just checking this out. It's just too personal. Hopefully I'll find or not find something by tomorrow or Friday the latest.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: klaasend on June 08, 2011, 11:01:15 PM
This is a video message from Ruthie In The Sky to Terri Moulton Horman and Houze.  ::MonkeyShocked::

http://www.youtube.com/user/ruthiesky#p/u/1/LSsjyS9CYrY (http://www.youtube.com/user/ruthiesky#p/u/1/LSsjyS9CYrY)

Ruthie's Blog: http://ruthiessky.blogspot.com/ (http://ruthiessky.blogspot.com/)

I recall reading her blog a while back and wrote to Sebastian about her.  Yikes!  ::MonkeyShocked::

Who's Sebastian TG? That video was scary!  ::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on June 09, 2011, 01:19:35 AM
I know Klaas it is disturbing. I don't think any one of us would throw a party for Terri but this video is over the top in my opinion. I watched a video on her site about hitch hiking (?) and a man is holding a sign that reads "portland". Did she go there? When and why? Remember that message on the fence addressed to "Daddy"? Was that from her? I know it was said it was some woman who was in a group but do we really KNOW that?

Strange, just strange.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: melisb on June 09, 2011, 02:21:31 AM
Was she actually saying SHouze picked her up hitchiking?  It sure seemed like it and the way she refers to Steve(H).  We need to invite her over and ask her some questions.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Amys Sister on June 09, 2011, 11:32:46 AM
Was she actually saying SHouze picked her up hitchiking?  It sure seemed like it and the way she refers to Steve(H).  We need to invite her over and ask her some questions.

 ::MonkeyJnBox::

She's intense, but she doesn't appear to be unintelligent.  May not be a bad idea except that it would require Klass's full attention.



Tracy Girl, I'm glad someone else feels that the story behind the Wall of Hope note may not be accurate. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on June 09, 2011, 12:09:31 PM
Was she actually saying SHouze picked her up hitchiking?  It sure seemed like it and the way she refers to Steve(H).  We need to invite her over and ask her some questions.

 ::MonkeyJnBox::

She's intense, but she doesn't appear to be unintelligent.  May not be a bad idea except that it would require Klass's full attention.



Tracy Girl, I'm glad someone else feels that the story behind the Wall of Hope note may not be accurate. 


Amysister I have always believed there was more to that note. I found it strange it was directed only to Kaine and not to Desiree at all. No, I don't believe the story behind the note.

I am not sure if I would want to post with that woman from the video. I don't agree with how she is handling herself. Vigilantism is just something I don't support and quite frankly she freaks me out. However if she was invited to this site I would ask her to allow Justice to happen or at least wait until the police clearly state they believe Terri is responsible for Kyron going missing. I am sure Terri and her attorney has a RO against this person.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on June 09, 2011, 12:13:11 PM
Was she actually saying SHouze picked her up hitchiking?  It sure seemed like it and the way she refers to Steve(H).  We need to invite her over and ask her some questions.

Ya that is how I took it, he picked her up while hitchhiking? Something about Klamouth falls. Then she said, think about it as if something happened during that ride? hmmm


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 09, 2011, 12:17:43 PM
I don't think Ruthie likes SM. After I posted the link to her video, she posted her comments on her blog.

http://ruthiessky.blogspot.com/ (http://ruthiessky.blogspot.com/)

Thursday, June 09, 2011
Even The Monkeys Are Scared...
Hells Bells! The monkeys are talking. My video, "A Straight Shot To The Point" is eliciting chatter in the Internet jungle trees.

Good.

Yeah, they are just going bananas over it. Apparently some of them watched the video and it just about made them toot their fruit.

They almost lost their Chiquita, Cheetah!

_______________


["Checky, checky", eh?

Yeah, kitty chimpanzee, you just go right ahead.

Knock yourself out. (It'll save me the trouble)]

_______________

A tropical fruit smoothie is dense and so are some people who have tried to do something worthwhile in the Kyron Horman missing child case. They type and type until their fingers tangle and it really doesn't make any difference.

The time is long past for Internet message boards. People, please...open your eyes and take a wide look around the present situation.

How many times are you going to revolve around in senseless circles before you get tired of the ride?

Do you know what I've read from some of you geniuses on the Internet, lately?

1.) Desiree killed Kyron and buried evidence in the back yard of her house. And that's why she and Tony (who is a corrupt cop) got the idea to plant flowers and put a fountain in place to hide proof of their dastardly deed.

2.) Desiree killed Kyron so that she and Kaine would eventually be drawn back together in a romantic liaison.

3.) Kaine killed Kyron and hid the boy's body up in Canada.

4.) Tony Young killed Kyron because he was tired of sharing Desiree's affection and then he dumped Kyron's body in the ocean.

Have you read enough?

I HAVE!

You people who create this crapola and smear it all over cyberspace disgust me. I mean, totally and completely.

When it comes to the whereabouts of Kyron Horman, you really don't know the facts from a fajita!

And when you've posted your thoughtless "theories", you've actually helped to protect those who are REALLY GUILTY. You dumb asses.

If you just want to monkey-around, go find Tarzan.

If you want to find Kyron, then start doing something that you haven't done yet:

Shut Up And Listen.
_________________

NOTE TO MY READERS:

This post is in response to a particular website on the Internet that includes an underwhelming amount of intelligence (literally and otherwise). I am sure that some of the primates from that pack will read this post. And I sincerely hope that they are surprised to realize that I am aware of their deluded discussion. That fact, alone, makes my point crystal clear...but only to those who recognize the reason behind the revelation. There, chew on THAT, monkeyshines, why don't ya!
_________________________________________

Ok, my response to Ruthie would be:

Since I've been here at SM, I have NEVER seen anyone here make a post that blamed either Kaine, Desiree, or Tony, for Kyrons disappearance. Yes we throw out theories, because of the lack of information we have, but they all relate back to Terri.

Ruthie, at least we are doing something to help bring Kyron home and are making sure that his disappearance doesn't go unnoticed, instead of sitting on our azzes and keeping silent. I agree that some forums out there do make some horrible innuendo's, but we are not one of those forums.

I applaud your courage and dedication to the missing children but to target SM and its members as "a bunch of asses", in your words, is not very productive. We're all on the same team;  Team Kyron.

Keep up the good work.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on June 09, 2011, 01:31:52 PM
*yawn*


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 09, 2011, 02:44:48 PM
*yawn*


 ::MonkeyHaHa:: TG!

I was being diplomatic. I try and keep in mind a post that Klaas made on the rules forum. Sometimes I slip, but I really work hard at achieving that goal. For some reason, it always sticks with me.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8845.0 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8845.0)

Quote
As you probably know, people reach emotional maturity at different rates and some people never really get there. When you read a post that is insulting or rude to you or another member, try to remember that what you're seeing is someone throwing out evidence of their own emotional immaturity. (That's right, it's there for everyone to see...quite embarrassing, actually. You should be blushing.)

It's tough to do sometimes, but try to reassure yourself that if you don't take the bait (if you don't respond), you are displaying your own emotional maturity. You'll be happier for it and so will those around you. Please remember that you can't "win" these online arguments. You have two choices: You can respond with an equally childish response or you can "take the high road" and turn your focus to those members who are displaying their own emotional maturity by not engaging in online pettiness.

I'm glad I went back and read it again. It's a good reminder for me.  ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on June 09, 2011, 03:10:59 PM
Well all I can say is my "*yawn*" was better then the first response I posted, so I improved.

A more level headed Tracygirl would have told her to stop the vigilante crap. All it is going to do is get you thrown in jail for terrorist threats and then Terri would win again. Let justice work.

 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: TnMuse on June 09, 2011, 08:10:10 PM
I don't think Ruthie likes SM. After I posted the link to her video, she posted her comments on her blog.

http://ruthiessky.blogspot.com/ (http://ruthiessky.blogspot.com/)

Thursday, June 09, 2011
Even The Monkeys Are Scared...
Hells Bells! The monkeys are talking. My video, "A Straight Shot To The Point" is eliciting chatter in the Internet jungle trees.

Good.

Yeah, they are just going bananas over it. Apparently some of them watched the video and it just about made them toot their fruit.

They almost lost their Chiquita, Cheetah!

_______________


["Checky, checky", eh?

Yeah, kitty chimpanzee, you just go right ahead.

Knock yourself out. (It'll save me the trouble)]

_______________

A tropical fruit smoothie is dense and so are some people who have tried to do something worthwhile in the Kyron Horman missing child case. They type and type until their fingers tangle and it really doesn't make any difference.

The time is long past for Internet message boards. People, please...open your eyes and take a wide look around the present situation.

How many times are you going to revolve around in senseless circles before you get tired of the ride?

Do you know what I've read from some of you geniuses on the Internet, lately?

1.) Desiree killed Kyron and buried evidence in the back yard of her house. And that's why she and Tony (who is a corrupt cop) got the idea to plant flowers and put a fountain in place to hide proof of their dastardly deed.

2.) Desiree killed Kyron so that she and Kaine would eventually be drawn back together in a romantic liaison.

3.) Kaine killed Kyron and hid the boy's body up in Canada.

4.) Tony Young killed Kyron because he was tired of sharing Desiree's affection and then he dumped Kyron's body in the ocean.

Have you read enough?

I HAVE!

You people who create this crapola and smear it all over cyberspace disgust me. I mean, totally and completely.

When it comes to the whereabouts of Kyron Horman, you really don't know the facts from a fajita!

And when you've posted your thoughtless "theories", you've actually helped to protect those who are REALLY GUILTY. You dumb asses.

If you just want to monkey-around, go find Tarzan.

If you want to find Kyron, then start doing something that you haven't done yet:

Shut Up And Listen.
_________________

NOTE TO MY READERS:

This post is in response to a particular website on the Internet that includes an underwhelming amount of intelligence (literally and otherwise). I am sure that some of the primates from that pack will read this post. And I sincerely hope that they are surprised to realize that I am aware of their deluded discussion. That fact, alone, makes my point crystal clear...but only to those who recognize the reason behind the revelation. There, chew on THAT, monkeyshines, why don't ya!
_________________________________________

Ok, my response to Ruthie would be:

Since I've been here at SM, I have NEVER seen anyone here make a post that blamed either Kaine, Desiree, or Tony, for Kyrons disappearance. Yes we throw out theories, because of the lack of information we have, but they all relate back to Terri.

Ruthie, at least we are doing something to help bring Kyron home and are making sure that his disappearance doesn't go unnoticed, instead of sitting on our azzes and keeping silent. I agree that some forums out there do make some horrible innuendo's, but we are not one of those forums.

I applaud your courage and dedication to the missing children but to target SM and its members as "a bunch of asses", in your words, is not very productive. We're all on the same team;  Team Kyron.

Keep up the good work.

Great response Sass!   Very diplomatic and thoughtful.  I read Ruthie's blog, and I firmly believe her heart is in the right place, I hope she can see that ours is as well.  If not, then she won't be the first one to misunderstand our intentions and we shouldn't let it get us down.  Sure hope she's right that LE will move in sometime in July!  I sincerely wish her safe travels and good luck.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Wyks on June 09, 2011, 09:39:12 PM
I wanted to add that there are still many of us who pray for Kyron daily.  We may not speak about him here daily, but he is in our prayers, hearts, and thoughts.

 ::rhino::



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Wyks on June 09, 2011, 10:51:01 PM
Hi all! 

I read here quite often, still following the case, altho I am no longer doing research for it.  Sometimes while researching, one finds things that may be big clues as to why the silence in a case... and why a case seemingly goes cold.  Frustrating that we cannot just post findings for the whole world to see. 

Often when a case goes cold, one good idea is to go back to the beginning and start all over again.  I do think many have done that in Kyron's case.  Usually LE tends to start where the child/adult who is missing was last seen.. and begin there.  Very often this means starting at the persons home, but in this case, Kyron was last seen at school. 

For those still doing research in this case, or wanting to do research but don't have a clue where to begin... may I suggest going back to the beginning.  The school.  Start at the top and work thru ALL the staff (from principal at the time all the way down to the mundane hireling) doing criminal checks, for those who can access those records online.  With just doing that alone, eye-opening info will be found that has not been made public .. yet.  For a variety of reasons, I suppose. 

For those who cannot do criminal checks online, might I suggest mulling over once again just why the silence from the school, in the very beginning especially. 

Would doing any of this solve the case and bring Kyron home where he belongs?  I dunno.  Maybe none of us can solve a case in our armchairs.  We may find info or stir discussion tho that just might spark local interest into a course of action that might break the silence in this case.   

All IMO only. 

Justice for Kyron!! 



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on June 10, 2011, 12:59:42 AM
Wykes!  :smt039 I miss you! Nice to see you my friend.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on June 10, 2011, 01:19:34 AM
*yawn*


Yep....yawn!

IMO, this is a person who's full of themselves, enjoys messing with people's minds and is in heaven over being discussed on SM.  I'm done with this one.  Nothing there!



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on June 10, 2011, 01:27:06 AM
Hi all! 

I read here quite often, still following the case, altho I am no longer doing research for it.  Sometimes while researching, one finds things that may be big clues as to why the silence in a case... and why a case seemingly goes cold.  Frustrating that we cannot just post findings for the whole world to see. 

Often when a case goes cold, one good idea is to go back to the beginning and start all over again.  I do think many have done that in Kyron's case.  Usually LE tends to start where the child/adult who is missing was last seen.. and begin there.  Very often this means starting at the persons home, but in this case, Kyron was last seen at school. 

For those still doing research in this case, or wanting to do research but don't have a clue where to begin... may I suggest going back to the beginning.  The school.  Start at the top and work thru ALL the staff (from principal at the time all the way down to the mundane hireling) doing criminal checks, for those who can access those records online.  With just doing that alone, eye-opening info will be found that has not been made public .. yet.  For a variety of reasons, I suppose. 

For those who cannot do criminal checks online, might I suggest mulling over once again just why the silence from the school, in the very beginning especially. 

Would doing any of this solve the case and bring Kyron home where he belongs?  I dunno.  Maybe none of us can solve a case in our armchairs.  We may find info or stir discussion tho that just might spark local interest into a course of action that might break the silence in this case.   

All IMO only. 

Justice for Kyron!! 



Wyks - good to see you on Kyron's thread.

Yes, the school is ground zero, where whatever happened...the beginnning.  There are questions about the school....Ms. Porter.
She said that she thought Kyron had a doctor's appointment, but yet she only received the documents to fill out for the doctor the day before (short timing).  She said that she thought Kyron had a doctor's appointment and Terri said, no, it was the next Friday.  I'm thinking that "if" Terri told the wrong date for the doctor's appointment, that would have made the news and we would have been talking about it still.  That didn't happen, so I am suspicious that Ms. Porter was "wrong" on the correct date of the doctor's appointment.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 10, 2011, 08:56:12 AM
*yawn*


Yep....yawn!

IMO, this is a person who's full of themselves, enjoys messing with people's minds and is in heaven over being discussed on SM.  I'm done with this one.  Nothing there!



Geesh Puzzler. I put the video out there because it was current. I never stated that "there was something there".

moving on.....


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 10, 2011, 09:16:52 AM
Hi all! 

I read here quite often, still following the case, altho I am no longer doing research for it.  Sometimes while researching, one finds things that may be big clues as to why the silence in a case... and why a case seemingly goes cold.  Frustrating that we cannot just post findings for the whole world to see. 

Often when a case goes cold, one good idea is to go back to the beginning and start all over again.  I do think many have done that in Kyron's case.  Usually LE tends to start where the child/adult who is missing was last seen.. and begin there.  Very often this means starting at the persons home, but in this case, Kyron was last seen at school. 

For those still doing research in this case, or wanting to do research but don't have a clue where to begin... may I suggest going back to the beginning.  The school.  Start at the top and work thru ALL the staff (from principal at the time all the way down to the mundane hireling) doing criminal checks, for those who can access those records online.  With just doing that alone, eye-opening info will be found that has not been made public .. yet.  For a variety of reasons, I suppose. 

For those who cannot do criminal checks online, might I suggest mulling over once again just why the silence from the school, in the very beginning especially. 

Would doing any of this solve the case and bring Kyron home where he belongs?  I dunno.  Maybe none of us can solve a case in our armchairs.  We may find info or stir discussion tho that just might spark local interest into a course of action that might break the silence in this case.   

All IMO only. 

Justice for Kyron!! 



Wykes: Wonderful to see you!  ::MonkeyKiss::

I agree with you Wykes, but that's where I get stuck; at the beginning, because the facts are minimal, such as, what doors were locked and which doors had open access. If I knew that, finding out HOW Kyron was taken out of the school, ie: walked out with someone or told to walk out a certain door, it would be a start. If you don't have factual information, you can speculate until you're blue in the face.

I've done so many criminal checks that it started to hurt my brain. I just don't think the person(s) that took Kyron away from the school, has a criminal background.  I could be wrong, I have been many times, but I think if they did have a criminal background, they would have been caught already and someone would be in jail.

There are so many complexities in this case along with the errors that were made in the beginning, of the gathering of information.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on June 10, 2011, 12:29:53 PM
*yawn*


Yep....yawn!

IMO, this is a person who's full of themselves, enjoys messing with people's minds and is in heaven over being discussed on SM.  I'm done with this one.  Nothing there!



Geesh Puzzler. I put the video out there because it was current. I never stated that "there was something there".

moving on.....

Geesh Sassi - I didn't say you did....I merely meant that there was nothing there wrt that person...I was talking about that woman....not about your post.  Okay?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 10, 2011, 02:00:18 PM
*yawn*


Yep....yawn!

IMO, this is a person who's full of themselves, enjoys messing with people's minds and is in heaven over being discussed on SM.  I'm done with this one.  Nothing there!



Geesh Puzzler. I put the video out there because it was current. I never stated that "there was something there".

moving on.....

Geesh Sassi - I didn't say you did....I merely meant that there was nothing there wrt that person...I was talking about that woman....not about your post.  Okay?

Gotcha! Sorry about the confusion.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 10, 2011, 02:14:05 PM
So I was doing some research and found this college that studies virtual reality animations that relate to criminal investigations, and I was thinking that if I write to them with information, have it be part of their lab work, that maybe it will help if we had visual scenarios. The only thing is, I would need Monkey neighbors help because she is familiar with the school.

It may be a shot in the dark but wth else do we have.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on June 10, 2011, 03:41:35 PM
Interesting Sass


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on June 10, 2011, 07:24:16 PM
*yawn*


Yep....yawn!

IMO, this is a person who's full of themselves, enjoys messing with people's minds and is in heaven over being discussed on SM.  I'm done with this one.  Nothing there!



Geesh Puzzler. I put the video out there because it was current. I never stated that "there was something there".

moving on.....

Geesh Sassi - I didn't say you did....I merely meant that there was nothing there wrt that person...I was talking about that woman....not about your post.  Okay?

Gotcha! Sorry about the confusion.  ::MonkeyWink::

No worries, mate!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Wyks on June 10, 2011, 07:25:35 PM

Hi TG, Puzzler, and Sassi!!  Good to see you too!  Been reading along with y'all and will post from time to time to say hey.  ::dogwag:: 

Haven't changed my mind much from my earlier beliefs regarding Kyron's case.  And sad to see that the direction the 'powers that be' in this case have gone in, hasn't led to much in this past year.  I do wish that other avenues could have been followed up on by LE and etc, will always wonder if they had could they have had more success in solving this case.  Looks like whoever did whatever with Kyron, is gonna get away with it.  And that burns me up more than anything. 

Yes, there are many weird things at the school, Mrs Porter, the doc appt, who actually saw Kyron last and when, all of that and more *ought to* have been fully questioned and investigated by LE/FBI etc.  Maybe it was and they just haven't mentioned it?  But maybe they didn't pay much attention to those lil details. 

And I dunno that the one/s who worked at the school, at that time, who have criminal records, are involved with Kyron's having gone missing.  I do believe tho that 'the silence'  and seeming 'coverup' that came immediately from the powers that be at the school... was because they immediately went into CYA mode.  With the attention of the world on them, there are things they didn't want anyone, let alone the world, to know about.  Hence the silence.  Of that I've become quite convinced.  Kyron's having gone missing brought a spotlight that *could have* illuminated other nefarious goings on by some of the higher up staff members.  They couldn't allow info about one or more to go public or they'd lose their funding as well as likely end up losing their job, if not tossed in jail as well... and none of it having to do with Kyron's case.  Kinda sux when one or more are doing things the wrong way, and something else entirely threatens to bring all that out in the open.  So silence about Kyron's gone missing, at least a hurried do the least possible necessary in his case and get out of the spotlight is the ticket, I would say.  And that's what happened.  Others in the know (both at the school and living local) are very likely too scared to say anything, about anything they might know.  And another case goes cold, because of it.  IMO.     

(The silence is eerily similar to the Holly Bobo case.... thru the investigation into her having gone missing and the searches they did, LE discovered folks who were growing pot on their land.  Busted!  Had nothing to do with Holly's case, was discovered while searching for her.  And from what I understand, some who live local to that case are now reluctant to come forward as well.  The info some want to hide seems more important to keep hidden (so they'll stay outta trouble) than is important to them for the truth about Holly to come out.)   

IMO, this is just wrong!  Yet I do understand that kind of reluctance. 

So yeah... if an outside (wayyyyyyyyyy outside) LE agency could come into Kyron's school and begin a full and complete investigation, starting at ground zero...... how much info might they find, that had previously been shuffled aside, overlooked, covered up, just cuz some folks might not have wanted to get into trouble for things found out that is totally separate from Kyron's case?  How much of that might actually have, or might have had, some bearing on what happened with Kyron? 

Rumors of a 'supposed' corrupt local LE and state LE as well, in this and many other cases.  How much of this case has never been brought to light just because of local 'supposed' corruption, something the locals themselves try to bring out but aren't believed.  Case after case goes cold because of this type of 'supposed' corruption.  I wonder how many parents of the missing are feeling helpless in the face of this?  Folks shake their heads and move on to the next case.  But what if (God forbid!) this happened to one of us or someone we know and love?  This type of 'supposed' corruption goes on across the nation, in all states.  And it burns me up that it seems so hard, perhaps too hard, for us - regular folks - to fight against. 

So anyway... Yeah, we're back at ground zerio at the school.  All staff and grounds need full investigation.  Long ago, many of us were not happy with the reports by LE that they had searched that school from top to bottom.  Did they?  I don't think so!!!!!!!!!!  They were ready to move on from that search the very next day.  NOT enough time to fully search the inside of the school.  Kyron wasn't seen leaving the school and I think there's a very good reason for that.  He might not have actually left!  I think what they likely did was to run from room to room and yell for Kyron, not stopping long enough to check every nook and cranny, ceiling to floor, in every room.  IMO.  No need to move the search perimeter out 5 miles, when they didn't take the time to clear the school first.  And by the next day LE also allowed folks to park on the schoolgrounds itself and trample everywhere.  Why?   

At this point, I don't think anyone will ever find out what happened with Kyron.   ::MonkeyTears::

   


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on June 10, 2011, 08:52:53 PM
I recall asking the question many months ago..."who was it that stopped the panic? who didn't react when Kyron was first noticed to be gone?" Those 6 hours were necessary in my opinion.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on June 10, 2011, 09:03:10 PM
Wykes you make some very interesting points. I don't know when or how but it is politically incorrect to lay any of the blame on the teacher or the school. That is strange to me, how did they get let off the hook?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: KittyMom on June 11, 2011, 12:02:34 AM
I keep thinking that sooner or later someone will stumble across Kyron's remains and he'll finally go home to his parents.  Where is Kyron?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: neighbor on June 12, 2011, 11:27:31 AM
So I was doing some research and found this college that studies virtual reality animations that relate to criminal investigations, and I was thinking that if I write to them with information, have it be part of their lab work, that maybe it will help if we had visual scenarios. The only thing is, I would need Monkey neighbors help because she is familiar with the school.

It may be a shot in the dark but wth else do we have.

Interesting.  The main problem that I see is that there are virtually no facts released by LE.  Sure we know the topology of the school, but so far we have been led to believe that TannerP was the last person to see Ky.  LE has led us to believe that Kyron was last seen around 8:45 or 9:00.  What if that is not true?  What if we have been focusing on the wrong time frame?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: neighbor on June 12, 2011, 11:29:56 AM
Hi all! 

I read here quite often, still following the case, altho I am no longer doing research for it.  Sometimes while researching, one finds things that may be big clues as to why the silence in a case... and why a case seemingly goes cold.  Frustrating that we cannot just post findings for the whole world to see. 

Often when a case goes cold, one good idea is to go back to the beginning and start all over again.  I do think many have done that in Kyron's case.  Usually LE tends to start where the child/adult who is missing was last seen.. and begin there.  Very often this means starting at the persons home, but in this case, Kyron was last seen at school. 

For those still doing research in this case, or wanting to do research but don't have a clue where to begin... may I suggest going back to the beginning.  The school.  Start at the top and work thru ALL the staff (from principal at the time all the way down to the mundane hireling) doing criminal checks, for those who can access those records online.  With just doing that alone, eye-opening info will be found that has not been made public .. yet.  For a variety of reasons, I suppose. 

For those who cannot do criminal checks online, might I suggest mulling over once again just why the silence from the school, in the very beginning especially. 

Would doing any of this solve the case and bring Kyron home where he belongs?  I dunno.  Maybe none of us can solve a case in our armchairs.  We may find info or stir discussion tho that just might spark local interest into a course of action that might break the silence in this case.   

All IMO only. 

Justice for Kyron!! 

@Wyks, you sound so sure that "eye-opening info will be found".  What makes you so sure?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: melisb on June 12, 2011, 09:10:25 PM
Howdy Neighbor!  Can't speak for my dear Wyks but what she may mean is that whomever took Kyron more than likely works at the school, is on staff,  has a child in the school, is a para, a county worker who frequents, etc., I think you get my drift.  I believe too that if TH didn't drive off with him then that person(s) would not stand out there and  has semi-intimate knowledge of Skyline but def. has something to do with the school. Wyks can add to this or right my wrongs!! Ha Ha!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: TnMuse on June 14, 2011, 01:23:42 PM
http://www.youtube.com/user/anglilpunk360

Beautiful and sad.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Kokos Cat on June 15, 2011, 02:03:01 AM
 ::MonkeyAngel::
Dear Neighbor,
 
    I'm wondering if you can offer any insight into TH's treatment of Kyron?  Did you have occasion to witness them together or know anyone who did? 
    How did she talk to Kyron when in public? 
Many thanks...

Kokos
 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: melancholygirl on June 15, 2011, 11:09:27 PM
I keep thinking that sooner or later someone will stumble across Kyron's remains and he'll finally go home to his parents.  Where is Kyron?

Me, too.  I hope he's found alive, but I doubt he will be.

Someone found bones in a Clackamas creek today.
http://clackamas.katu.com/news/news/bones-discovered-shallow-creek-bed/441179

Part of me hopes it's Kyron, and I feel awful for thinking that.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on June 15, 2011, 11:14:01 PM
I keep thinking that sooner or later someone will stumble across Kyron's remains and he'll finally go home to his parents.  Where is Kyron?

Me, too.  I hope he's found alive, but I doubt he will be.

Someone found bones in a Clackamas creek today.
http://clackamas.katu.com/news/news/bones-discovered-shallow-creek-bed/441179

Part of me hopes it's Kyron, and I feel awful for thinking that.


Thank you for bringing the article.  I guess we just have to wait and see. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: neighbor on June 16, 2011, 01:22:05 AM
::MonkeyAngel::
Dear Neighbor,
 
    I'm wondering if you can offer any insight into TH's treatment of Kyron?  Did you have occasion to witness them together or know anyone who did? 
    How did she talk to Kyron when in public? 
Many thanks...

Kokos
 ::MonkeyAngel::

Sorry I can't.  I only remember seeing his family the day before.  I knew Kyron's face from crossing paths in the hallway. Wish I knew him better.  He seems like a good kid.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on June 16, 2011, 02:13:42 AM
Earlier this evening I stumbled across the article posted here regarding the bones recently found.
I DO hope that Kyron is found hidden somewhere, alive, but...
if this will bring closure, if it is him, then I will be happy for those who love him.

Not knowing would be very stressful after this long period of time.

Where he is, God bless him, and his Mom too ! ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 16, 2011, 09:18:30 AM

 ::snipping2::

Me, too.  I hope he's found alive, but I doubt he will be.

Someone found bones in a Clackamas creek today.
http://clackamas.katu.com/news/news/bones-discovered-shallow-creek-bed/441179

Part of me hopes it's Kyron, and I feel awful for thinking that.

CLACKAMAS, Ore. - An investigation has been launched by the Clackamas County Sheriff's Office after bones were discovered in a shallow creek bed.

The bones were found around 11:30 a.m. Wednesday in the 13000 block of Southeast 124th Avenue in Clackamas. The remains - which have not yet been identified as human or animal - were in an area designated as a greenway in a mixed residential and commercial neighborhood.

The investigation is in its early stages. Members of the Clackamas County Sheriff's Office Patrol Division, Detectives, Forensic Evidence Technicians and the Clackamas County Deputy Medical Examiner's Office responded to the scene.

The area where the bones were discovered was cleared of dense brush in the last year and there has been commercial construction work being done there. There are homes on one side of the creek and businesses on the other.

The bones were discovered by a woman playing with her dog in her parent's backyard. She said she looked over the edge of the creek and saw bones.

Forensic technicians collected several bags of evidence, including what looked like rotting
clothing.


(http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad12/sass2heart/BonesClackamas.jpg)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on June 16, 2011, 11:46:22 AM

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Kyron-Horman-absentee-bill-to-become-law-123368058.html
Kyron Horman absentee bill to become law
June 7, 2011

SALEM – Oregon schools will soon be required to notify parents before the end of the school day when a child is absent.

House Bill 3197 has been approved by the House and Senate and just needs to governor’s signature to become law, which was expected.

A Medford-area lawmaker sponsored the bill after Kyron Horman disappeared.
 ::snipping2::
Many school districts already have automated attendance notification systems, including Portland Public Schools.

Kyron’s school, Skyline Elementary, was not using the system at the time of his disappearance. But all Portland schools are now required to use it.

(Interesting comments)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: neighbor on June 16, 2011, 02:41:58 PM

 ::snipping2::

Me, too.  I hope he's found alive, but I doubt he will be.

Someone found bones in a Clackamas creek today.
http://clackamas.katu.com/news/news/bones-discovered-shallow-creek-bed/441179

Part of me hopes it's Kyron, and I feel awful for thinking that.

CLACKAMAS, Ore. - An investigation has been launched by the Clackamas County Sheriff's Office after bones were discovered in a shallow creek bed.

The bones were found around 11:30 a.m. Wednesday in the 13000 block of Southeast 124th Avenue in Clackamas. The remains - which have not yet been identified as human or animal - were in an area designated as a greenway in a mixed residential and commercial neighborhood.

The investigation is in its early stages. Members of the Clackamas County Sheriff's Office Patrol Division, Detectives, Forensic Evidence Technicians and the Clackamas County Deputy Medical Examiner's Office responded to the scene.

The area where the bones were discovered was cleared of dense brush in the last year and there has been commercial construction work being done there. There are homes on one side of the creek and businesses on the other.

The bones were discovered by a woman playing with her dog in her parent's backyard. She said she looked over the edge of the creek and saw bones.

Forensic technicians collected several bags of evidence, including what looked like rotting
clothing.


(http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad12/sass2heart/BonesClackamas.jpg)

This appears to be the official news feed:
  http://flashalert.net/news.html?id=624 (http://flashalert.net/news.html?id=624)

Oregon Live is typically the first to announce that the remains are of an adult.  The silence is this case is deafening.

Part of me hopes for closure.  Part of me keeps on hoping.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sunshine12 on June 16, 2011, 03:53:07 PM
Kyron, where are you????  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 16, 2011, 06:15:05 PM
I agree neighbor. It's not just deafening, it's down right ghostly how people are keeping their mouths shut. Why is that? I'm not just talking about LE either.

You see one person trying to soothe the search and investigation by stating it may take up to 4 years, and another person screaming out using bill boards, that they will never give up. Why is that?

Let's not forget about the people that are on the side lines and yet a part of this mess just by being a part of the Skyline community, or a part of the Horman associated crew. They are also silent. Why is that? Many of these people have children. How could they not speak up?

Then we have dead bodies near the search areas and there is no follow up. You contact MSM and they ignore you. Why is that?

We have death scents coming from the Horman property that are being ignored. Even if it turned out to be false, why not utilize every means possible, to prove to themselves, that it was a false alarm? It's free. They wouldn't have to pay a dime.

I'm sick of it! This little boy deserves more than that. He deserves the right to have adults stand up for him and take him home where he belongs.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on June 16, 2011, 07:47:27 PM
That area is about 15 miles or so from portland according to google maps. Is it me or does the material being handled look like the pants Kyron was wearing? Oh gosh I am not sure if I should hope it is him or hope it is not. I feel sick right now though.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on June 16, 2011, 08:14:30 PM
No ID yet, but a couple more details:

http://www.kptv.com/news/28253609/detail.html
Bones Found In Clackamas Creek Bed
POSTED: 10:19 pm PDT June 15, 2011
UPDATED: 8:27 am PDT June 16, 2011

 ::snipping2::
Investigators have not released many details about what exactly was found, but say the remains were in an advanced stage of decomposition. The medical examiner's office was called to the scene, along with detectives and forensic evidence technicians.
 ::snipping2::
The area of the discovery was cleared in the last year of dense brush for commercial construction.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on June 16, 2011, 08:18:55 PM
Still doesn't indicate if adult/child.
http://www.koinlocal6.com/mostpopular/story/Authorities-respond-as-bones-found-in-shallow/e6RjI2k0c0mnJf6oRIuOIQ.cspx
Authorities respond as bones found in shallow Clackamas creek
June 15, 2011

 ::snipping2::
Deputies responded to the 13000 block of SE 124th Ave. about 11:30 a.m., and recovered the bones nestled in a creek designated as a greenway, said sheriff's spokesman Jim Strovink.

Strovink said the bones were in an advanced stage of decomposition and will require additional forensic examination to determine their origin.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on June 16, 2011, 08:23:59 PM
Hasn't Clackamas come up in this case? I think I have heard that name before.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on June 16, 2011, 08:39:51 PM
link to a pic of the clothing Kyron was wearing. would someone mind posting the pic?

Look at the pants and what the officers are pulling out of the creek? Do you think they look a like?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on June 16, 2011, 08:54:23 PM

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Where are you Kyron?



   
Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #41 1/18/11 -
« Reply #76 on: January 23, 2011, 01:19:05 PM »
Quote from: klaasend on January 23, 2011, 09:45:19 AM
Quote from: sassifrass on January 23, 2011, 09:41:34 AM
I think Jaime and Rudy are brothers. At least that was my understanding. They sure do look alike, don't they?

Yes they do and I wonder why Jaime moved in with Rudy in August 2010?  What changed?  Has anyone looked at Jaime's previous address in Clackamas for evidence of Kyron?  Clackamas is about 24 minutes SE of Portland.

This looks like it may be your answer, although if he went into foreclosure a few years ago, where did he live between 2009 and August of 2010? Maybe in with RS and changed the address when his renewal came due?

http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/11/02/kyron-horman-case-terri-horman-sexts-sent-to-kaine-hormans-phone-what/#comments

riverpearl says:
January 22, 2011 at 7:21 pm

Per the Clean Factor web site, Jaime Estrada “… has been cleaning carpets for over 5 years”.

Could he “be the money” to purchase house ?

JMHO

http://clean-factor.com/company/

No, as I believe he lost his own home to foreclosure a few years back, iirc.
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This is what I remember being posted about Clackamas. Sass what was the address you were talking about?

Also, there was a carwash fundraiser I think in Clackamas. This city has been mentioned several times in this case. Why is that given it is not right around the corner from Skyline El?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on June 16, 2011, 08:58:39 PM
http://clackamas.katu.com/content/car-wash-fundraiser-planned-aid-kyron-search

There was a carwash fundraiser right near where these bones were found? WTH? Who throw the carwash? Anyone know? There is also an elementary school near to that area, sunnyside el. Ok my mind is spinning. Where is everyone?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on June 16, 2011, 09:15:10 PM
Another event happened in Sept at the godfathers pizza in Clackamas.

http://www.yelp.com/biz/godfathers-pizza-clackamas


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 16, 2011, 10:32:14 PM
http://clackamas.katu.com/content/car-wash-fundraiser-planned-aid-kyron-search

There was a carwash fundraiser right near where these bones were found? WTH? Who throw the carwash? Anyone know? There is also an elementary school near to that area, sunnyside el. Ok my mind is spinning. Where is everyone?

TG: I'm here, kind of. I have some things going on in RL, but I will answer you tomorrow.

Yes there are Clackamas ties.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 16, 2011, 10:36:02 PM
I'll let you know my thoughts tomorrow. I have some thoughts but I have to get back to doing some personal things.

Believe me when I say, even if I have other obligations in my life, I continually think of Kyron and try and find what is missing in this case.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: melisb on June 16, 2011, 10:38:11 PM
Clack Co. LE joined forces in helping with Mult co. LE and I didn't go back and look but IIRC they also have an officer or two still helping out with the task force.  I believe it was one of the counties mentioned still helping.  What we don't know is is this just LE being friendly across the board or is this investigation spilling over into Clack Co. due to some folks tied into it living there?  Maybe we will know one day.  I hate to say it but I'm gonna need to read a book about this case just to see how it was ran and how far and wide they went with this investigation.  I just have a hard time keeping up with this one.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: monchichi on June 17, 2011, 12:19:50 AM
link to a pic of the clothing Kyron was wearing. would someone mind posting the pic?

Look at the pants and what the officers are pulling out of the creek? Do you think they look a like?

Hi TG~

I'm hoping they're not Kyron's pants.  The amount of material seems to be more than I imagine for Kyron's clothes (I hope). 
Over at BOC there is discussion about the bones belonging possibly to an adult male?

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http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/#comments

18.sma says:
June 16, 2011 at 8:39 pm
cd says:
June 16, 2011 at 7:05 pm

Beejay says:
June 16, 2011 at 1:20 pm

“…in the car on the radio they said they still aren’t sure what they have but “it could be a very large animal or an adult male””
—————

It could be a deer. a few years ago deer would sometimes cross Sunnyside right around that area. i think one even got hit by a car.

If you look at the news video you see what appears to be deteriorating clothing they were putting into the bags so unlikely moo that it is an animal.
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Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on June 17, 2011, 12:26:04 AM
link to a pic of the clothing Kyron was wearing. would someone mind posting the pic?

Look at the pants and what the officers are pulling out of the creek? Do you think they look a like?

Hi TG~

I'm hoping they're not Kyron's pants.  The amount of material seems to be more than I imagine for Kyron's clothes (I hope). 
Over at BOC there is discussion about the bones belonging possibly to an adult male?

-----snipped from BOC----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/#comments

18.sma says:
June 16, 2011 at 8:39 pm
cd says:
June 16, 2011 at 7:05 pm

Beejay says:
June 16, 2011 at 1:20 pm

“…in the car on the radio they said they still aren’t sure what they have but “it could be a very large animal or an adult male””
—————

It could be a deer. a few years ago deer would sometimes cross Sunnyside right around that area. i think one even got hit by a car.

If you look at the news video you see what appears to be deteriorating clothing they were putting into the bags so unlikely moo that it is an animal.
----------------------end snip--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I think I am going to wait until information is released on the bones. I don't know what to think about it.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on June 17, 2011, 08:09:37 AM
This article is a couple of weeks old, but I couldn't find where it's been posted here previously.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/05/kaine_horman_endures_year_sinc.html
Video
Kaine Horman endures year since his son Kyron Horman disappeared
May 28, 2011



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 17, 2011, 09:02:46 AM
The address where the bones were found is 13243 SE 124th Ave, Clackamas, OR 97015. This is on the corner of SE 124th and SE Sunnyside rd.


WS had a link to a comment made on OL about a poem that was written by a poster there.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6695904 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6695904)

The direct link to the OL poster comment is here.

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/anna_griffin/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_horman_has_gone_from_tra/4897/comments-2.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/anna_griffin/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_horman_has_gone_from_tra/4897/comments-2.html)

This was originally posted by "The Eskimo (Rich)", and followed up by a poster named "Open Letter" .


To: The Eskimo (Rich) you posted on July 16, 2010 at 7:58 a.m. on OregonLive the following...

"The sunny side, where you should be, not in the woods or near a tree. A childs blessing a mans remorse, one cops woman so stay the course. Intent was there, luck prevailed humanity blushed and evil sailed, a course, a path, watery grave. Not the K or T we know but others hands in the fire, so, look elsewhere, you will find a clue, idea and then the end that we all knew, would come, sad and happy to see it gone, our lives will go on but one will not, we shed a tear for little him, but not for them."


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 17, 2011, 10:13:05 AM
This is for erose and MBS over at BOC. Not sure which image of Terri you wanted to use. If you give me a link I'll post the one you want.

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/#comments (http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/#comments)

erose says:
June 17, 2011 at 2:07 am

Wow, your post blows me away. DAD’s brother referenced Willie and Laurie/Lori in an interview, and we spent some time on finding out who they are, and it seems someone found a newspaper article that implied DAD’s mother and stepfather(?) adopted them. It would not be hard to believe that she adopted DAD.

The Monkey’s came up with Kisiel as TH’s birth mother’s name. This was done by process of elimination. DAD is 44, TH is 41. Who knows.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8168.10;wap2

IF ANY MONKEY’S ARE READING, could you please try what T.Ruth did or post side by side photos of DAD and TH so we can see the resemblance?

T. Ruth says:
June 16, 2011 at 3:25 pm

Since we’re still under the David Durham thread, can anyone tell me if anyone has found a birth certificate for him? I just can’t get over how much he and Terri look alike, like brother and sister and he looks nothing like his brother that we’ve seen on the news. Could he be adopted as well? There is a blog somewhere that alleges DAD was a cancer victim and needed treatment he could not afford. Is it possible he was adopted and went looking for his bio family to get financial assistance? Found Terri, tried to squeeze her, instead held something over her head and kidnapped Kyron? IDK, but their resemblance just blows me away. I saved both their pictures and if you slide one over the other, the eyes line up, the ears line up, the mouth and nose, DAD’s chin is slightly longer. Just blows me away.
_________________________________________________

(http://imgsrv.kxl.com/image/kxl/UserFiles/Image/Terri%20Moulton-Horman.jpg)(http://www.salem-news.com/stimg/january242011/durham.350.jpg)(http://s2.hubimg.com/u/3518481_f248.jpg)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 17, 2011, 11:15:48 AM


Where are you Kyron?

   
Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #41 1/18/11 -
« Reply #76 on: January 23, 2011, 01:19:05 PM »
Quote from: klaasend on January 23, 2011, 09:45:19 AM
Quote from: sassifrass on January 23, 2011, 09:41:34 AM
I think Jaime and Rudy are brothers. At least that was my understanding. They sure do look alike, don't they?

Yes they do and I wonder why Jaime moved in with Rudy in August 2010?  What changed?  Has anyone looked at Jaime's previous address in Clackamas for evidence of Kyron?  Clackamas is about 24 minutes SE of Portland.

This looks like it may be your answer, although if he went into foreclosure a few years ago, where did he live between 2009 and August of 2010? Maybe in with RS and changed the address when his renewal came due?

http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/11/02/kyron-horman-case-terri-horman-sexts-sent-to-kaine-hormans-phone-what/#comments

riverpearl says:
January 22, 2011 at 7:21 pm

Per the Clean Factor web site, Jaime Estrada “… has been cleaning carpets for over 5 years”.

Could he “be the money” to purchase house ?

JMHO

http://clean-factor.com/company/

No, as I believe he lost his own home to foreclosure a few years back, iirc.
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This is what I remember being posted about Clackamas. Sass what was the address you were talking about?

Also, there was a carwash fundraiser I think in Clackamas. This city has been mentioned several times in this case. Why is that given it is not right around the corner from Skyline El?

TG: the address is 7169 SE Renada St., Milwaukie, OR 97267. It is 11 minutes from the bones house.

http://www.bing.com/maps/?rtp=adr.13243%20SE%20124th%20Ave%2C%20Clackamas%2C%20OR%2C%2097015~pos.45.413971_-122.589737_7169+SE+Renada+St,+Milwaukie,+OR+97267-3342&where1=7169+SE+Renada+St,+Milwaukie,+OR+97267-3342 (http://www.bing.com/maps/?rtp=adr.13243%20SE%20124th%20Ave%2C%20Clackamas%2C%20OR%2C%2097015~pos.45.413971_-122.589737_7169+SE+Renada+St,+Milwaukie,+OR+97267-3342&where1=7169+SE+Renada+St,+Milwaukie,+OR+97267-3342)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 17, 2011, 12:51:24 PM


Where are you Kyron?

   
Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #41 1/18/11 -
« Reply #76 on: January 23, 2011, 01:19:05 PM »
Quote from: klaasend on January 23, 2011, 09:45:19 AM
Quote from: sassifrass on January 23, 2011, 09:41:34 AM
I think Jaime and Rudy are brothers. At least that was my understanding. They sure do look alike, don't they?

Yes they do and I wonder why Jaime moved in with Rudy in August 2010?  What changed?  Has anyone looked at Jaime's previous address in Clackamas for evidence of Kyron?  Clackamas is about 24 minutes SE of Portland.

This looks like it may be your answer, although if he went into foreclosure a few years ago, where did he live between 2009 and August of 2010? Maybe in with RS and changed the address when his renewal came due?

http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/11/02/kyron-horman-case-terri-horman-sexts-sent-to-kaine-hormans-phone-what/#comments

riverpearl says:
January 22, 2011 at 7:21 pm

Per the Clean Factor web site, Jaime Estrada “… has been cleaning carpets for over 5 years”.

Could he “be the money” to purchase house ?

JMHO

http://clean-factor.com/company/

No, as I believe he lost his own home to foreclosure a few years back, iirc.
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This is what I remember being posted about Clackamas. Sass what was the address you were talking about?

Also, there was a carwash fundraiser I think in Clackamas. This city has been mentioned several times in this case. Why is that given it is not right around the corner from Skyline El?

TG: the address is 7169 SE Renada St., Milwaukie, OR 97267. It is 11 minutes from the bones house.

http://maps.yahoo.com/#mvt=m&lat=45.423695&lon=-122.56467&zoom=15&q1=7169%20SE%20Renada%20St.%2C%20Milwaukie%2C%20OR%2097267&q2=13243%20SE%20124th%20Ave%2C%20Clackamas%2C%20OR%2097015-9321&gid2=63932748 (http://maps.yahoo.com/#mvt=m&lat=45.423695&lon=-122.56467&zoom=15&q1=7169%20SE%20Renada%20St.%2C%20Milwaukie%2C%20OR%2097267&q2=13243%20SE%20124th%20Ave%2C%20Clackamas%2C%20OR%2097015-9321&gid2=63932748)


self edit. sorry.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on June 17, 2011, 01:47:15 PM
Sassi - TY for the post of the pictures of Terri and DAD

Uncanny - how much they look alike, isn't it?



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: neighbor on June 17, 2011, 03:19:32 PM
I agree neighbor. It's not just deafening, it's down right ghostly how people are keeping their mouths shut. Why is that? I'm not just talking about LE either.

You see one person trying to soothe the search and investigation by stating it may take up to 4 years, and another person screaming out using bill boards, that they will never give up. Why is that?

Let's not forget about the people that are on the side lines and yet a part of this mess just by being a part of the Skyline community, or a part of the Horman associated crew. They are also silent. Why is that? Many of these people have children. How could they not speak up?

Then we have dead bodies near the search areas and there is no follow up. You contact MSM and they ignore you. Why is that?

We have death scents coming from the Horman property that are being ignored. Even if it turned out to be false, why not utilize every means possible, to prove to themselves, that it was a false alarm? It's free. They wouldn't have to pay a dime.

I'm sick of it! This little boy deserves more than that. He deserves the right to have adults stand up for him and take him home where he belongs.

I have more questions than answers.

Regarding the Skyline community .. realizing that this is not just a family affair is scary for those that trust their kids to school everyday.  Several people who have been following this case, don't think MCSO is equipped to handle this case. 

Once discussions about PPS policies started, the giant flexed its muscle. PPS hinted that they can switch the high school as easy as 1-2-3.  PPS has hinted it considers to straight-out close Skyline school if attendance drops significantly.  In their last move PPS showed that can replace the highly praised principal at will.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: neighbor on June 17, 2011, 03:46:16 PM
The address where the bones were found is 13243 SE 124th Ave, Clackamas, OR 97015. This is on the corner of SE 124th and SE Sunnyside rd.

WS had a link to a comment made on OL about a poem that was written by a poster there.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6695904 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6695904)

The direct link to the OL poster comment is here.

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/anna_griffin/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_horman_has_gone_from_tra/4897/comments-2.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/anna_griffin/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_horman_has_gone_from_tra/4897/comments-2.html)

This was originally posted by "The Eskimo (Rich)", and followed up by a poster named "Open Letter" .


To: The Eskimo (Rich) you posted on July 16, 2010 at 7:58 a.m. on OregonLive the following...

"The sunny side, where you should be, not in the woods or near a tree. A childs blessing a mans remorse, one cops woman so stay the course. Intent was there, luck prevailed humanity blushed and evil sailed, a course, a path, watery grave. Not the K or T we know but others hands in the fire, so, look elsewhere, you will find a clue, idea and then the end that we all knew, would come, sad and happy to see it gone, our lives will go on but one will not, we shed a tear for little him, but not for them."

That is poem (BBM) is creepy in relation to the location of the bones.

The bones were found near
  13243 SE 124th Ave, Clackamas
That place is close to a strip mall and garage boxes.
http://www.flashalert.net/news.html?id=624

Rudy lived 3.7 mi from there at
  9850 SE Amherst St, Clackamas

The car wash fundraiser was 0.3 miles away at
  12002 SE Sunnyside Rd, Clackamas
http://clackamas.katu.com/content/car-wash-fundraiser-planned-aid-kyron-search

If these were animal bones, I guess that CCSO would have figured that out by now.  What animal wears cloths anyway.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 17, 2011, 03:49:21 PM
I agree neighbor. It's not just deafening, it's down right ghostly how people are keeping their mouths shut. Why is that? I'm not just talking about LE either.

You see one person trying to soothe the search and investigation by stating it may take up to 4 years, and another person screaming out using bill boards, that they will never give up. Why is that?

Let's not forget about the people that are on the side lines and yet a part of this mess just by being a part of the Skyline community, or a part of the Horman associated crew. They are also silent. Why is that? Many of these people have children. How could they not speak up?

Then we have dead bodies near the search areas and there is no follow up. You contact MSM and they ignore you. Why is that?

We have death scents coming from the Horman property that are being ignored. Even if it turned out to be false, why not utilize every means possible, to prove to themselves, that it was a false alarm? It's free. They wouldn't have to pay a dime.

I'm sick of it! This little boy deserves more than that. He deserves the right to have adults stand up for him and take him home where he belongs.

I have more questions than answers.

Regarding the Skyline community .. realizing that this is not just a family affair is scary for those that trust their kids to school everyday.  Several people who have been following this case, don't think MCSO is equipped to handle this case

Once discussions about PPS policies started, the giant flexed its muscle. PPS hinted that they can switch the high school as easy as 1-2-3.  PPS has hinted it considers to straight-out close Skyline school if attendance drops significantly.  In their last move PPS showed that can replace the highly praised principal at will.


BBM

In one word, "UNBELIEVABLE". That is disgraceful. I think new board members need to be re-elected. Kyron going missing, happened on their watch and what do they do? They start throwing their "strong arm tactics" around. Allowing full blown alcoholics to work with the children. What BS!  :2brickwall:

I do not envy you, living in that school district.

As far as MCSO not being able to handle this case, I think they have already proven that. They have done a suck azz job so far, because Kyron isn't home.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 17, 2011, 03:56:53 PM
Per T.Ruth, this is the pic she compared to DAD. FYI, I enlarged it a bit to get a better look. For you T. Ruth.

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/#comments (http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/#comments)

T. Ruth says:
June 17, 2011 at 12:22 pm

@erose

FYI, this is the picture I used when comparing DAD’s pic above with Terri as she’s pretty much looking straight on as he is, if anyone would like to try it. http://www.opposingviews.com/i/terri-horman-sexting-since-kyron-s-disappearance (http://www.opposingviews.com/i/terri-horman-sexting-since-kyron-s-disappearance)


(http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad12/sass2heart/Terri.jpg)(http://www.salem-news.com/stimg/january242011/durham.350.jpg)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: neighbor on June 17, 2011, 04:00:46 PM
The address where the bones were found is 13243 SE 124th Ave, Clackamas, OR 97015. This is on the corner of SE 124th and SE Sunnyside rd.

WS had a link to a comment made on OL about a poem that was written by a poster there.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6695904 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6695904)

The direct link to the OL poster comment is here.

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/anna_griffin/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_horman_has_gone_from_tra/4897/comments-2.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/anna_griffin/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_horman_has_gone_from_tra/4897/comments-2.html)

This was originally posted by "The Eskimo (Rich)", and followed up by a poster named "Open Letter" .


To: The Eskimo (Rich) you posted on July 16, 2010 at 7:58 a.m. on OregonLive the following...

"The sunny side, where you should be, not in the woods or near a tree. A childs blessing a mans remorse, one cops woman so stay the course. Intent was there, luck prevailed humanity blushed and evil sailed, a course, a path, watery grave. Not the K or T we know but others hands in the fire, so, look elsewhere, you will find a clue, idea and then the end that we all knew, would come, sad and happy to see it gone, our lives will go on but one will not, we shed a tear for little him, but not for them."

That is poem (BBM) is creepy in relation to the location of the bones.

The bones were found near
  13243 SE 124th Ave, Clackamas
That place is close to a strip mall and garage boxes.
http://www.flashalert.net/news.html?id=624

Rudy lived 3.7 mi from there at
  9850 SE Amherst St, Clackamas

The car wash fundraiser was 0.3 miles away at
  12002 SE Sunnyside Rd, Clackamas
http://clackamas.katu.com/content/car-wash-fundraiser-planned-aid-kyron-search

If these were animal bones, I guess that CCSO would have figured that out by now.  What animal wears cloths anyway.

Crazy link but .. "Cops woman", reminded me of an ex-LEO or the beauty salon owner Debbie Higbee Benton that was murdered in Clackamas.
http://www.portlandtribune.com/news/story.php?story_id=130715624941113100


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 17, 2011, 04:04:35 PM
The address where the bones were found is 13243 SE 124th Ave, Clackamas, OR 97015. This is on the corner of SE 124th and SE Sunnyside rd.

WS had a link to a comment made on OL about a poem that was written by a poster there.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6695904 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6695904)

The direct link to the OL poster comment is here.

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/anna_griffin/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_horman_has_gone_from_tra/4897/comments-2.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/anna_griffin/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_horman_has_gone_from_tra/4897/comments-2.html)

This was originally posted by "The Eskimo (Rich)", and followed up by a poster named "Open Letter" .


To: The Eskimo (Rich) you posted on July 16, 2010 at 7:58 a.m. on OregonLive the following...

"The sunny side, where you should be, not in the woods or near a tree. A childs blessing a mans remorse, one cops woman so stay the course. Intent was there, luck prevailed humanity blushed and evil sailed, a course, a path, watery grave. Not the K or T we know but others hands in the fire, so, look elsewhere, you will find a clue, idea and then the end that we all knew, would come, sad and happy to see it gone, our lives will go on but one will not, we shed a tear for little him, but not for them."

That is poem (BBM) is creepy in relation to the location of the bones.

The bones were found near
  13243 SE 124th Ave, Clackamas
That place is close to a strip mall and garage boxes.
http://www.flashalert.net/news.html?id=624

Rudy lived 3.7 mi from there at
  9850 SE Amherst St, Clackamas

The car wash fundraiser was 0.3 miles away at
  12002 SE Sunnyside Rd, Clackamas
http://clackamas.katu.com/content/car-wash-fundraiser-planned-aid-kyron-search

If these were animal bones, I guess that CCSO would have figured that out by now.  What animal wears cloths anyway.

BBM

I know, I know! Mickey Mouse!  ::MonkeyDevil:: Tired of the Barney Fife's.

(http://www.dispics.com/images/mickeymouse.jpg)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: monchichi on June 17, 2011, 04:11:25 PM
The address where the bones were found is 13243 SE 124th Ave, Clackamas, OR 97015. This is on the corner of SE 124th and SE Sunnyside rd.

WS had a link to a comment made on OL about a poem that was written by a poster there.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6695904 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6695904)

The direct link to the OL poster comment is here.

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/anna_griffin/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_horman_has_gone_from_tra/4897/comments-2.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/anna_griffin/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_horman_has_gone_from_tra/4897/comments-2.html)

This was originally posted by "The Eskimo (Rich)", and followed up by a poster named "Open Letter" .


To: The Eskimo (Rich) you posted on July 16, 2010 at 7:58 a.m. on OregonLive the following...

"The sunny side, where you should be, not in the woods or near a tree. A childs blessing a mans remorse, one cops woman so stay the course. Intent was there, luck prevailed humanity blushed and evil sailed, a course, a path, watery grave. Not the K or T we know but others hands in the fire, so, look elsewhere, you will find a clue, idea and then the end that we all knew, would come, sad and happy to see it gone, our lives will go on but one will not, we shed a tear for little him, but not for them."

Crazy link but .. "Cops woman", reminded me of an ex-LEO or the beauty salon owner Debbie Higbee Benton that was murdered in Clackamas.
http://www.portlandtribune.com/news/story.php?story_id=130715624941113100
Could "one cops woman" be Desiree?  That poem is creepy.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 17, 2011, 05:26:50 PM
The address where the bones were found is 13243 SE 124th Ave, Clackamas, OR 97015. This is on the corner of SE 124th and SE Sunnyside rd.

WS had a link to a comment made on OL about a poem that was written by a poster there.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6695904 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6695904)

The direct link to the OL poster comment is here.

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/anna_griffin/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_horman_has_gone_from_tra/4897/comments-2.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/anna_griffin/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_horman_has_gone_from_tra/4897/comments-2.html)

This was originally posted by "The Eskimo (Rich)", and followed up by a poster named "Open Letter" .


To: The Eskimo (Rich) you posted on July 16, 2010 at 7:58 a.m. on OregonLive the following...

"The sunny side, where you should be, not in the woods or near a tree. A childs blessing a mans remorse, one cops woman so stay the course. Intent was there, luck prevailed humanity blushed and evil sailed, a course, a path, watery grave. Not the K or T we know but others hands in the fire, so, look elsewhere, you will find a clue, idea and then the end that we all knew, would come, sad and happy to see it gone, our lives will go on but one will not, we shed a tear for little him, but not for them."

Crazy link but .. "Cops woman", reminded me of an ex-LEO or the beauty salon owner Debbie Higbee Benton that was murdered in Clackamas.
http://www.portlandtribune.com/news/story.php?story_id=130715624941113100
Could "one cops woman" be Desiree?  That poem is creepy.

Yep, that's who it is.

I want to break down this poem and try and weigh the meanings. I don't have time right now, but I'll work on it later. I think it's worth looking at.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on June 17, 2011, 05:36:01 PM
The address where the bones were found is 13243 SE 124th Ave, Clackamas, OR 97015. This is on the corner of SE 124th and SE Sunnyside rd.

WS had a link to a comment made on OL about a poem that was written by a poster there.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6695904 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6695904)

The direct link to the OL poster comment is here.

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/anna_griffin/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_horman_has_gone_from_tra/4897/comments-2.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/anna_griffin/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_horman_has_gone_from_tra/4897/comments-2.html)

This was originally posted by "The Eskimo (Rich)", and followed up by a poster named "Open Letter" .


To: The Eskimo (Rich) you posted on July 16, 2010 at 7:58 a.m. on OregonLive the following...

"The sunny side, where you should be, not in the woods or near a tree. A childs blessing a mans remorse, one cops woman so stay the course. Intent was there, luck prevailed humanity blushed and evil sailed, a course, a path, watery grave. Not the K or T we know but others hands in the fire, so, look elsewhere, you will find a clue, idea and then the end that we all knew, would come, sad and happy to see it gone, our lives will go on but one will not, we shed a tear for little him, but not for them."

That is poem (BBM) is creepy in relation to the location of the bones.

The bones were found near
  13243 SE 124th Ave, Clackamas
That place is close to a strip mall and garage boxes.
http://www.flashalert.net/news.html?id=624

Rudy lived 3.7 mi from there at
  9850 SE Amherst St, Clackamas

The car wash fundraiser was 0.3 miles away at
  12002 SE Sunnyside Rd, Clackamas
http://clackamas.katu.com/content/car-wash-fundraiser-planned-aid-kyron-search

If these were animal bones, I guess that CCSO would have figured that out by now.  What animal wears cloths anyway.

Unless a cartoon character came to life, no animal wears clothing.

That poem in my opinion is more then just something written by just a random person, I think there are clues there. Do police believe the bones have been in that area or have been placed there? To me the first line sounds as if someone was saying he should be one place and not the other as if the person moved them. "A child's blessing, a mans remorse" Is this referring to Kiara and Kaine? I think obviously the next line is Desiree? The rest sort of confuses me...Anyone have any idea?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on June 17, 2011, 05:37:33 PM
I can't find the creek on google maps, is it small? Who would know it was there? Where does it flow from?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 17, 2011, 05:39:34 PM
I'm going to look at that TG. Unfortunately, I have things to take care of right now. I agree with your first analysis. BBL


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: neighbor on June 17, 2011, 05:42:48 PM
The address where the bones were found is 13243 SE 124th Ave, Clackamas, OR 97015. This is on the corner of SE 124th and SE Sunnyside rd.

WS had a link to a comment made on OL about a poem that was written by a poster there.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6695904 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6695904)

The direct link to the OL poster comment is here.

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/anna_griffin/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_horman_has_gone_from_tra/4897/comments-2.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/anna_griffin/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_horman_has_gone_from_tra/4897/comments-2.html)

This was originally posted by "The Eskimo (Rich)", and followed up by a poster named "Open Letter" .


To: The Eskimo (Rich) you posted on July 16, 2010 at 7:58 a.m. on OregonLive the following...

"The sunny side, where you should be, not in the woods or near a tree. A childs blessing a mans remorse, one cops woman so stay the course. Intent was there, luck prevailed humanity blushed and evil sailed, a course, a path, watery grave. Not the K or T we know but others hands in the fire, so, look elsewhere, you will find a clue, idea and then the end that we all knew, would come, sad and happy to see it gone, our lives will go on but one will not, we shed a tear for little him, but not for them."

That is poem (BBM) is creepy in relation to the location of the bones.

The bones were found near
  13243 SE 124th Ave, Clackamas
That place is close to a strip mall and garage boxes.
http://www.flashalert.net/news.html?id=624

Rudy lived 3.7 mi from there at
  9850 SE Amherst St, Clackamas

The car wash fundraiser was 0.3 miles away at
  12002 SE Sunnyside Rd, Clackamas
http://clackamas.katu.com/content/car-wash-fundraiser-planned-aid-kyron-search

If these were animal bones, I guess that CCSO would have figured that out by now.  What animal wears cloths anyway.

Unless a cartoon character came to life, no animal wears clothing.

That poem in my opinion is more then just something written by just a random person, I think there are clues there. Do police believe the bones have been in that area or have been placed there? To me the first line sounds as if someone was saying he should be one place and not the other as if the person moved them. "A child's blessing, a mans remorse" Is this referring to Kiara and Kaine? I think obviously the next line is Desiree? The rest sort of confuses me...Anyone have any idea?

It went poof from the OL site.  The poster "The Eskimo (Rich)" claims to live in the Gresham ZIP code according to
  http://connect-uat.nola.com/user/Athabascan/index.html (http://connect-uat.nola.com/user/Athabascan/index.html)
  http://connect.ohiohssports.com/user/Athabascan/index.html (http://connect.ohiohssports.com/user/Athabascan/index.html)

Bob Rich sent another poem
  http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=139158702788229 (http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=139158702788229)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on June 17, 2011, 06:36:33 PM
Bob Rich doesn't care for Kaine and Desiree very much or he didn't when he wrote the posts. That maybe important when trying to figure out the poem
http://connect-uat.nola.com/user/Athabascan/index.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: neighbor on June 17, 2011, 06:58:55 PM
Bob Rich doesn't care for Kaine and Desiree very much or he didn't when he wrote the posts. That maybe important when trying to figure out the poem
http://connect-uat.nola.com/user/Athabascan/index.html

I don't know if The Eskimo and Bob Rich are the same person.  The latter seems to dedicate his time writing poems for i.e. peace4missing.ning.com.  The former seems to concentrate on bashing Kaine and leaving breadcrumbs.

OL just posted an article on a MCSO cold case where DNA evidence was analyzed by the fed. crime lab.  It is unclear if this is intended as a background article.  Interesting timing to say the least.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/06/post_96.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/06/post_96.html)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on June 17, 2011, 08:09:56 PM
That poem has been posted by both people so I would think it is the same person, just a guess though.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Titch on June 17, 2011, 08:40:01 PM
Just an observation, looking from a different angle, also trying to be thorough... If Tanner's recollection of Kyron leaving to go downstairs to see a "cool electric project" is correct, and considering that it was a Science Fair day in a school that gets help from outside Sci sponsors, I wonder if any of the below companies had representatives at the school on June 4, 2010. (Note the small print paragraph. I wonder if such a "kiosk" was set up & available during last year's Science Fair.)

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/03/northwest_portland_skyline_sch.html?mobRedir=false

Snipped
Northwest Portland: Skyline School installs wind turbine
Published: Monday, March 28, 2011, 12:00 PM
By Molly Hottle, The Oregonian

On Monday, Skyline School in Northwest Portland will be the first school in Portland Public Schools to install a wind turbine, which will be used to power about 3 percent of the school's energy. 
Students will watch workers install the 90-foot-tall tower at 1 p.m., at the school, 11536 NW Skyline Blvd. The turbine is expected to be operating at 2:45 p.m. You can view the installation progress on the Solar 4R Schools website.

Inside the school, an interactive kiosk will show how the turbine is working and what it is doing.
Supporting the project are Bonneville Environmental Foundation's Solar4R Schools Program, Xzeres Wind of Wilsonville, Andersen Electric, Northwest Environmental Defense Council, the Energy Trust of Oregon and Oregon Department of Energy's Business Energy Tax Credit.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Titch on June 17, 2011, 08:42:02 PM
Sorry, it didn't show up as small print. My last comment was referring to the last paragraph. I wonder if these company's employees have been checked out...if any of them were at the Sci Fair.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: neighbor on June 18, 2011, 12:44:15 AM
I can't find the creek on google maps, is it small? Who would know it was there? Where does it flow from?

You can see the creek here:

http://portlandmaps.com/detail.cfm?action=Natural&propertyid=C205574&state_id=22E02BC02600&address_id=768471&intersection_id=&dynamic_point=0&x=7679309.627&y=648260.319&place=13263%20SE%20124TH%20AVE&city=CLACKAMAS%20COUNTY&neighborhood=&seg_id=304529 (http://portlandmaps.com/detail.cfm?action=Natural&propertyid=C205574&state_id=22E02BC02600&address_id=768471&intersection_id=&dynamic_point=0&x=7679309.627&y=648260.319&place=13263%20SE%20124TH%20AVE&city=CLACKAMAS%20COUNTY&neighborhood=&seg_id=304529)

It looks pretty flat, so probably a modest creek.  Combining above map with Gmaps topo elevation map, gives me the idea that it starts a bit East, and flows West towards the Willamette.

http://portlandmaps.com/detail.cfm?action=Elevation&propertyid=C205574&state_id=22E02BC02600&address_id=768471&intersection_id=&dynamic_point=0&x=7679309.627&y=648260.319&place=13263%20SE%20124TH%20AVE&city=CLACKAMAS%20COUNTY&neighborhood=&seg_id=304529 (http://portlandmaps.com/detail.cfm?action=Elevation&propertyid=C205574&state_id=22E02BC02600&address_id=768471&intersection_id=&dynamic_point=0&x=7679309.627&y=648260.319&place=13263%20SE%20124TH%20AVE&city=CLACKAMAS%20COUNTY&neighborhood=&seg_id=304529)

FYI my post on BOC:
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OregonLive reports “Oregon Attorney General John Kroger says that one of his top investigators has resigned as chief counsel for the criminal division of the state Justice Department after he deleted a number of government emails. … Sean Riddell has been a dedicated public servant as a Multnomah County prosecutor …”
http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2011/06/oregon_department_of_justice_a_1.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2011/06/oregon_department_of_justice_a_1.html)

It makes me wonder what is brewing. Resigned because he deleted emails? Millions of people do this everyday because leading email systems/smartphones can’t handle a large inbox. Sounds more like something about very specific emails.

No email backup? Email not archived in transit? Maybe it is time the AG hires some IT people.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on June 18, 2011, 01:50:29 AM
That poem was written by someone who is trying to clear their conscience !
Anyone know how seriously LE took this ?
I would be curious to hear FBI interpretation
of this poem. It is quite chilling. ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Kokos Cat on June 18, 2011, 02:31:20 AM
::MonkeyAngel::
Dear Neighbor,
 
    I'm wondering if you can offer any insight into TH's treatment of Kyron?  Did you have occasion to witness them together or know anyone who did? 
    How did she talk to Kyron when in public? 
Many thanks...

Kokos
 ::MonkeyAngel::

Sorry I can't.  I only remember seeing his family the day before.  I knew Kyron's face from crossing paths in the hallway. Wish I knew him better.  He seems like a good kid.


Thanks, Neighbor!   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Kokos Cat on June 18, 2011, 02:56:06 AM
*** Sorry *** my last post was OT!
I'm waaay behind in my reading....

Thanks for posting the poems/info, etc.  from "Eskimo".   Does anyone know the date/time that the creepy poem was written?

Thanks!

http://connect-uat.nola.com/user/Athabascan/index.html (http://connect-uat.nola.com/user/Athabascan/index.html)
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"The sunny side, where you should be, not in the woods or near a tree. A childs blessing a mans remorse, one cops woman so stay the course. ......"  <snip, snip>>


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 18, 2011, 11:44:03 AM
To try and decipher this, I split up the wording where this person placed commas in their poem. I made comments after each sentence of what I thought may be the possible meaning.

Poems, are used as messages and expressions of pain, happiness, life's experiences, and our own personal knowledge. Killers, also use poetry to give clues to LE.

Please feel free to add your own interpretations.


_____________________________________________________

The poem by The Eskimo:

"The sunny side, where you should be, not in the woods or near a tree. A childs blessing a mans remorse, one cops woman so stay the course. Intent was there, luck prevailed humanity blushed and evil sailed, a course, a path, watery grave. Not the K or T we know but others hands in the fire, so, look elsewhere, you will find a clue, idea and then the end that we all knew, would come, sad and happy to see it gone, our lives will go on but one will not, we shed a tear for little him, but not for them."

______________________________________________________

The sunny side, where you should be: Although it may be a coincedense, that the SE 124th address intersects with Sunnyside rd., my first impression was the "sunny side" as opposed to the "dark side". By this I mean, Kyron was forced into the "dark side" of life by someone else.

not in the woods or near a tree: This tells me that, possibly, Kyron is not in those forested search areas.

A childs blessing a mans remorse: A feeling of guilt?

one cops woman so stay the course: I believe this refers to Desiree's determination to find her son.

Intent was there: This was intentional. The plan was set in motion.

luck prevailed humanity blushed and evil sailed: This one, I think, is the most powerful. It tells me that the plan did not go down as it was suppose to. Someone took matters in their own hands.

a course, a path, watery grave: Kyrons destiny.

Not the K or T we know but others hands in the fire: Another interesting line. This to me is saying that Kaine and Terri are not to blame, but possibly someone(s) associated with them. Someone(s) who knows both of them. Perhaps an activity they shared with Kaine and Terri. The word "fire" to me, describes an event that is questionable.

so, look elsewhere, you will find a clue: This says to me, basing it on the above line, that Kaine and Terri probably trusted this person, and may still trust them.

idea and then the end that we all knew, would come: It started off as an idea, a plan, but the intention was not to harm Kyron. They made an error.

sad and happy to see it gone: Happy that they are rid of the problem, but feeling sad that it ended this way.

our lives will go on but one will not: Kyron's demise.

we shed a tear for little him, but not for them: Feeling pain for Kyron and extreme anger towards the person(s) who did this to him.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 18, 2011, 11:50:06 AM
Bob Rich doesn't care for Kaine and Desiree very much or he didn't when he wrote the posts. That maybe important when trying to figure out the poem
http://connect-uat.nola.com/user/Athabascan/index.html

I don't know if The Eskimo and Bob Rich are the same person.  The latter seems to dedicate his time writing poems for i.e. peace4missing.ning.com.  The former seems to concentrate on bashing Kaine and leaving breadcrumbs.

OL just posted an article on a MCSO cold case where DNA evidence was analyzed by the fed. crime lab.  It is unclear if this is intended as a background article.  Interesting timing to say the least.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/06/post_96.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/06/post_96.html)

Neighbor: Don't you think their writing styles seem different? The OL one seems more cryptic and the one MKH is more descriptive.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on June 18, 2011, 12:58:53 PM
I've been engrossed in the Caylee Anthony trial, but still trying to touch base in on Kyron's thread.

I wonder if someone would be kind enough to explain why we would give so much thought to this poem?  TIA



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: neighbor on June 18, 2011, 02:19:48 PM
I've been engrossed in the Caylee Anthony trial, but still trying to touch base in on Kyron's thread.

I wonder if someone would be kind enough to explain why we would give so much thought to this poem?  TIA

The "Sunny Side" is either coincidental or very intentional.  It is very easy to trace down the sender for a site like OL.  They have done it before when TMH was posting there.  It will reveal the sender's location and computer setup or possibly point to a Tor.  The latter will be interesting in its own way.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Kokos Cat on June 18, 2011, 03:30:16 PM
I've been engrossed in the Caylee Anthony trial, but still trying to touch base in on Kyron's thread.

I wonder if someone would be kind enough to explain why we would give so much thought to this poem?  TIA

The "Sunny Side" is either coincidental or very intentional.  It is very easy to trace down the sender for a site like OL.  They have done it before when TMH was posting there.  It will reveal the sender's location and computer setup or possibly point to a Tor.  The latter will be interesting in its own way.

Hi Puzzler,

What got my attention was the reference to "Sunny side".  Sunnyside Road is very near to where the bones were found in Clackamas. 

Hi Neighbor,

What is a TOR?  Thanks!   (BBM)

:)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Kokos Cat on June 18, 2011, 03:34:29 PM
Dear Neighbor,

Thanks for posting the url for the news release & where the bones were found.  I hope it's ok that I'm printing it in full, below.  Looks like it's not Kyron...


http://www.flashalert.net/news.html?id=624 (http://www.flashalert.net/news.html?id=624)
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News Releases
CCSO: Human remains identified as that of a 13-year-old girl with a long history of mental illness - 06/18/11
The Clackamas County Sheriff's Office
Jim Strovink, Detective
Office of Public Information
12700 SE 82nd Avenue, Clackamas, Oregon 97015

News Release

Late Friday, June 17th, 2011, Clackamas County Sheriff's Office investigators confirmed the identity of skeletal remains discovered earlier in the week in Clackamas.

Sheriff's Office Investigators, working with the Clackamas County Deputy Medical Examiner's Office, were able to secure the positive identification of the discovered skeletal remains by accessing dental records. After conducting an extensive search, a mandible and teeth that were located at the scene of the discovery were utilized to help secure the resulting successful forensic identification.

The deceased is identified as a 13-year-old, female, who was reported missing by her concerned parents on October 18th, 2007, in Clackamas.

While filing the missing person report for their 13-year-old daughter, the parents explained the long history of diagnosed mental illness their daughter endured. The child was being provided both counseling and medication for her diagnosed manic-depression.

It was also reported at the time of her disappearance, that a large amount of potentially fatal pharmaceutical pills were also missing from the family residence too.

According to the National Institute of Mental Health:

http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/suicide-in-the-us-statistics-and-prevention/index.shtml

In 2007, it (suicide) was the tenth leading cause of death in the U.S., accounting for 34,598 deaths. The overall rate was 11.3 suicide deaths per 100,000 people. An estimated 11 attempted suicides occur per every suicide death.

Is suicide common among children and young people?

In 2007, suicide was the third leading cause of death for young people ages 15 to 24. Of every 100,000 young people in each age group, the following number died by suicide:

*   Children ages 10 to 14 - 0.9 per 100,000
*   Adolescents ages 15 to 19 - 6.9 per 100,000
*   Young adults ages 20 to 24 - 12.7 per 100,000

As in the general population, young people were much more likely to use firearms, suffocation, and poisoning than other methods of suicide, overall. However, while adolescents and young adults were more likely to use firearms than suffocation, children were dramatically more likely to use suffocation.

There were also gender differences in suicide among young people, as follows:

*   Nearly five times as many males as females ages 15 to 19 died by suicide.
*   Just under six times as many males as females ages 20 to 24 died by suicide.

The Clackamas County Sheriff's Office extends their sincerest condolences to the family of the deceased. [END]

**********************************************************************************

On Wednesday, June 15, 2011, at 11:30 a.m. Clackamas County Sheriff's Deputies responded to the report of an inadvertent discovery of ‘bones'; located in a shallow creek bed inside an area designated as a greenway, situated in the shared residential and commercial neighborhood of 13243 SE 124th Avenue, in Clackamas.

Members of the Clackamas County Sheriff's Office Patrol Division, Detectives, Forensic Evidence Technicians and the Clackamas County Deputy Medical Examiner's Office are on scene to investigate the discovery.

It is anticipated these investigative personnel will thoroughly process the scene of the discovery to recover and collect all potential remains and items of potential evidentiary value. This is not a newly discovered death, and consequently, with the reported advanced stage of decomposition present will require additional forensic examination.

Prompted earlier by Clackamas County Building and Zoning Officials, investigators report this area of the discovery was cleared in the last year of dense brush with the all the additional commercial construction taking place in the immediate area. A commercial parking garage is visible in the immediate area of this ongoing investigation. One side of this shallow creek is occupied by homes, and on the other side of the creek and greenway are businesses.

Additional details concerning this ongoing investigation will be released as the investigation progresses. [End]

Please reference CCSO Case #11-17879.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Kokos Cat on June 18, 2011, 03:44:56 PM
Dear Sassi,

Thanks for your analysis on the poem... it is very interesting in Kyron's case (regardless of the identity of the poor victim in Clackamas).

I'd like to compare the writing styles as you suggest, but only seem to be able to access the writing by "Eskimo".

Could someone please provide links for both "Bob Rich" and "Eskimo"?

Many thanks for your perseverance in Kyron's case!

 ::MonkeyKiss::


 
Bob Rich doesn't care for Kaine and Desiree very much or he didn't when he wrote the posts. That maybe important when trying to figure out the poem
http://connect-uat.nola.com/user/Athabascan/index.html

I don't know if The Eskimo and Bob Rich are the same person.  The latter seems to dedicate his time writing poems for i.e. peace4missing.ning.com.  The former seems to concentrate on bashing Kaine and leaving breadcrumbs.

OL just posted an article on a MCSO cold case where DNA evidence was analyzed by the fed. crime lab.  It is unclear if this is intended as a background article.  Interesting timing to say the least.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/06/post_96.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/06/post_96.html)

Neighbor: Don't you think their writing styles seem different? The OL one seems more cryptic and the one MKH is more descriptive.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: monchichi on June 18, 2011, 04:07:33 PM
The poem by The Eskimo:

"The sunny side, where you should be, not in the woods or near a tree. A childs blessing a mans remorse, one cops woman so stay the course. Intent was there, luck prevailed humanity blushed and evil sailed, a course, a path, watery grave. Not the K or T we know but others hands in the fire, so, look elsewhere, you will find a clue, idea and then the end that we all knew, would come, sad and happy to see it gone, our lives will go on but one will not, we shed a tear for little him, but not for them."

To me the part "and then the end that we all knew, would come, sad and happy to see it gone" refers to all of us hoping for a live Kyron, yet wanting closure, so we would be happy to find him, but sad at the outcome.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: melancholygirl on June 18, 2011, 04:49:08 PM
It's good to know a family has closure on a missing teen.  Very sad, though.

The poem is extremely cryptic and creepy. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on June 18, 2011, 06:40:04 PM
The "Sunnyside" in the sun? As the saying, "this side of the dirt" meaning not buried?

Sass there is talk about kaine in a red dress, did you or did any other posters see this pic? I have only heard of it but didn't see it myself.  


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: neighbor on June 18, 2011, 10:42:36 PM
I've been engrossed in the Caylee Anthony trial, but still trying to touch base in on Kyron's thread.

I wonder if someone would be kind enough to explain why we would give so much thought to this poem?  TIA

The "Sunny Side" is either coincidental or very intentional.  It is very easy to trace down the sender for a site like OL.  They have done it before when TMH was posting there.  It will reveal the sender's location and computer setup or possibly point to a Tor.  The latter will be interesting in its own way.

Hi Puzzler,

What got my attention was the reference to "Sunny side".  Sunnyside Road is very near to where the bones were found in Clackamas. 

Hi Neighbor,

What is a TOR?  Thanks!   (BBM)

:)

Anonymous network access.  I will not post the link, but Google shows it as the first hit.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: monchichi on June 18, 2011, 11:09:32 PM
I cannot tell you how relieved I am that those bones were not Kyron's.  My hopes of Kyron being found alive were dwindling, and I want closure as much as anyone else, but I still did not want it to be him.  I just can't imagine how Desiree feels.   


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 18, 2011, 11:17:05 PM
I don't think we should discount or ignore that poem. Thank God the sweet little girl was finally brought home, but I don't want to discount it.

The poem is not only creepy, but to ignore it, would be an injustice. It's not going to hurt if we just look at it and examine the writing. For Kyron.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on June 19, 2011, 12:16:45 AM
I don't think we should discount or ignore that poem. Thank God the sweet little girl was finally brought home, but I don't want to discount it.

The poem is not only creepy, but to ignore it, would be an injustice. It's not going to hurt if we just look at it and examine the writing. For Kyron.

I don't think it is a bad thing to look into the poem.

I am relieved to know the bones were not Kyron but I am so very sorry it was the girl. I bet her parents have been holding out hope she was alive somewhere. What a sad, sad ending.  At least though, they have their daughter back and can bury her with the respect she so deserved. My prayers are with them.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: monchichi on June 19, 2011, 05:09:20 PM
Yes, it is very sad for that young girl and her family.  What a long time to wait to know what happened to her.  My heart goes out to them.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Kokos Cat on June 19, 2011, 10:15:52 PM
The "Sunnyside" in the sun? As the saying, "this side of the dirt" meaning not buried?

Sass there is talk about kaine in a red dress, did you or did any other posters see this pic? I have only heard of it but didn't see it myself.  

Hmmm.... I seam to recall something about this, TG.  Can't find anything, though.  Anyone?
Thanks,

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Kokos Cat on June 19, 2011, 10:20:42 PM
While searching in vain for a red dress, I did, however come across an interesting blog...

http://lovingkyronwebs.blogspot.com/2010_09_01_archive.html (http://lovingkyronwebs.blogspot.com/2010_09_01_archive.html)

 ::MonkeyShovel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on June 20, 2011, 01:44:12 AM
While searching in vain for a red dress, I did, however come across an interesting blog...

http://lovingkyronwebs.blogspot.com/2010_09_01_archive.html (http://lovingkyronwebs.blogspot.com/2010_09_01_archive.html)

 ::MonkeyShovel::

Thnx for sharing the blog u found. I found it is interesting & upsetting as well.

1. I would like to officially ask a licensed private investigator to come on board for Kyron's Justice- I would like this investigation to delve into the life style of Kaine and Terri Horman- delve into the sexual abuse that has possibly affected Kyron's family life in the way of Kaine Horman's direct relatives being arrested for such crimes-

The above statement in the blog really upset me. Have they molested Kyron ?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on June 20, 2011, 07:24:33 AM
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=kyron

Prayers for Kyron.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on June 20, 2011, 07:58:38 AM
http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2011/06/lawmakers_give_final_approval.html

Oregon lawmakers give final approval to bill requiring earlier notice of student absenteeism
Published: Monday, June 06, 2011, 12:24 PM     Updated: Monday, June 06, 2011, 5:26 PM
_________________________________________________________________
older article but I don't recall seeing it posted in all the HK, Ruthieinthesky, Harryoakes, Eskimo, 13yr girls bones found, etc, stuff.

 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on June 20, 2011, 08:13:30 AM
http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2011/06/lawmakers_give_final_approval.html

Oregon lawmakers give final approval to bill requiring earlier notice of student absenteeism
Published: Monday, June 06, 2011, 12:24 PM     Updated: Monday, June 06, 2011, 5:26 PM
_________________________________________________________________
older article but I don't recall seeing it posted in all the HK, Ruthieinthesky, Harryoakes, Eskimo, 13yr girls bones found, etc, stuff.

 

I posted a similar article in this thread where they were waiting for the governor's signature for finalizing on 6/16, but it's great to see it's gotten final approval and I appreciate your posting the article fatcatlurker
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9426.msg1395302#msg1395302


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on June 20, 2011, 08:26:04 AM
Question;  My understanding with the current investigation into Kyron Horman missing is that the "task force" will be disbanded as of July 1, 2011.  There will be one agent assigned to case and he/she will be weeding thru cell phone transmissions from 11 towers in the area dated June 4, 2010 within a 6 hour time period on said date.  Also looking at hard drives seized with search warrants. (thought the latter would of already been done btw?!)

Is that an accurate assumption of where we stand?
Looking at the batphone prior to Kyron missing theory?
tyia for any answers/thoughts.
______________________________________________________
assumption based on;

snipped;
There are still "millions of data points" that need to be examined. Those points come from all the cell phone calls picked up by 11 towers within a certain radius of Skyline School -- what investigators call "ground zero" -- during the six-hour span on June 4, 2010, when Kyron's disappearance went unreported.

The sheriff said the inquiry will now "transition toward a more technical focus," starting July 1, such as examining all the cell-phone tower data and computer hard drives seized from search warrants.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/06/kyron_horman_task_force_to_dis.html



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: melisb on June 20, 2011, 08:27:25 AM
Klaas...if you are around could you please let the nice Monkey's know about the pic of a guy in a red dress that was on a Kyron photo site.  IIRC the pic was just a random fetish photo that some say looked like Kaine but allowed pics to be uploaded by anyone who came upon the site.  It was not an official Kyron page.  I'm def not saying that KH or TH aren't into alt lifestyles at all, just that this photo could be faked by anyone.



                                                                        Klaaaassssssss, help please ma'am!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on June 20, 2011, 08:48:45 AM
I know, I am still stuck on Terri and I truly appreciate that no here gets upset with me on that issue.  I can't help it, I have a gut feeling that she did this and have from day 1.  Yes even w/60 POI's sorry to say I cannot let it go and probably will not until he is found and charges are brought. 

Anyway thank you Monkeys for tolerating my little rants on her and more so for keeping Kyron's voice out there.

PS-Good site for keeping up on all things Kyron on one page.
http://bringkyronhome.org/



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: melisb on June 20, 2011, 08:59:24 AM
Love to hear all opinions no matter whose side!  Have a great day FCL!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on June 20, 2011, 09:12:56 AM
I know, I am still stuck on Terri and I truly appreciate that no here gets upset with me on that issue.  I can't help it, I have a gut feeling that she did this and have from day 1.  Yes even w/60 POI's sorry to say I cannot let it go and probably will not until he is found and charges are brought. 

Anyway thank you Monkeys for tolerating my little rants on her and more so for keeping Kyron's voice out there.

PS-Good site for keeping up on all things Kyron on one page.
http://bringkyronhome.org/



(Bolded by me)

Yes, FCL, I agree with you about Terri.  BTW,no one should be "upset" with me or with you for having our opinions and I respect those whose opinions are different than yours or mine.  I have posted a number of years along side others and we've had differences in opinions.  Sometimes I've been correct, sometimes they've been correct and sometimes we've all been surprised at the outcome.  Sadly and all too often we may never know what happened.   I hope the time will come soon when Kyron can be brought home.  JMHO 



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on June 20, 2011, 09:32:41 AM
TU melisb.  The cross dressing rumor about Kaine has been around a long time, just fyi.

Here is a link if it goes thru from way back in July 2010 regarding it;

http://forums.radionewz.net/index.php?topic=137.360
____________________________________
I looked for red dress pic. no luck yet.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on June 20, 2011, 09:49:14 AM
TU melisb.  The cross dressing rumor about Kaine has been around a long time, just fyi.

Here is a link if it goes thru from way back in July 2010 regarding it;

http://forums.radionewz.net/index.php?topic=137.360
____________________________________
I looked for red dress pic. no luck yet.

Here; if the red dress pic. is one and the same(?)follow link for Justice Quest site post #702 and follow thru to how they debunked it.  The picture is there but you cannot see it unless you are a member and I am not willing to go to Madame Nicole's site to proof what they claim to have proved....I might get a virus...ha ha ha!

I think this is what you guys are talking about?  Hope it helps regarding "red dress".

http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?p=415818



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: klaasend on June 20, 2011, 10:02:19 AM
Klaas...if you are around could you please let the nice Monkey's know about the pic of a guy in a red dress that was on a Kyron photo site.  IIRC the pic was just a random fetish photo that some say looked like Kaine but allowed pics to be uploaded by anyone who came upon the site.  It was not an official Kyron page.  I'm def not saying that KH or TH aren't into alt lifestyles at all, just that this photo could be faked by anyone.



                                                                        Klaaaassssssss, help please ma'am!

I'd have to look way back but the website was from either Denmark or Sweden I believe.  There was absolutely nothing other than a slight resemblance to Kaine and no reason at all to even remotely believe it was him.  The photo wasn't FAKE it just wasn't Kaine nor was it even in the USA.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 20, 2011, 11:57:59 AM
I recall the mention of the pic in question.
What I am curious to know is who it is that originally leaked that pic/alleged info and who debunked it and how?

For FYI purposes only: http://www.intel.com/intel/location/denmark.htm

They apparently have many offices in many different countries.

That's not to say that the pic is or isn't him.
The leaked pic/alleged info is rather curious.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on June 20, 2011, 12:03:15 PM
one other question;  does Kaine's mothers head appear to be shaved also in this video to you monkeys? 

http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/Kyron-Horman-anniversary-draws-hundreds-to-Portland-school-123173153.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on June 20, 2011, 12:23:33 PM
I recall the mention of the pic in question.
What I am curious to know is who it is that originally leaked that pic/alleged info and who debunked it and how?

For FYI purposes only: http://www.intel.com/intel/location/denmark.htm

They apparently have many offices in many different countries.

That's not to say that the pic is or isn't him.
The leaked pic/alleged info is rather curious.

all I can input is that on Justice quest they traced the IP addy and it was reported that the photo was on a Madame Nicole's site which is in Germany.  They also compared the red dress photo to other photos on her site and the background matched others of her "photo studio" on site in Germany.  So the assumption is that unless Kaine was in Germany at the time the photo was taken it is not him.  All just my own assumption of course...lol. 

IMO to the BBM part - Kaine has many haters around him.  Could be jealousy, he provokes it, the man is always guilty stigma, who knows but Kaine haters all the same have been there since day one imo.

And last Rumors could be true; who knows.  I think Kaine is doing right by simply ignoring/not addressing them.  I forget what the Van Dams did when their baggage came out but it seems to be par for the course lately in missing cases.  All JMO.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 20, 2011, 12:23:42 PM
one other question;  does Kaine's mothers head appear to be shaved also in this video to you monkeys? 

http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/Kyron-Horman-anniversary-draws-hundreds-to-Portland-school-123173153.html

It maybe looks like she has thin hair pulled back, possibly in a ponytail?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 20, 2011, 12:41:14 PM
The poem by The Eskimo:

"The sunny side, where you should be, not in the woods or near a tree. A childs blessing a mans remorse, one cops woman so stay the course. Intent was there, luck prevailed humanity blushed and evil sailed, a course, a path, watery grave. Not the K or T we know but others hands in the fire, so, look elsewhere, you will find a clue, idea and then the end that we all knew, would come, sad and happy to see it gone, our lives will go on but one will not, we shed a tear for little him, but not for them."

To me the part "and then the end that we all knew, would come, sad and happy to see it gone" refers to all of us hoping for a live Kyron, yet wanting closure, so we would be happy to find him, but sad at the outcome.

I read this to possibly be from someone who "intends" to be perceived as cold (the "Eskimo"). I would hesitate to believe much of what was written and in fact might even be so inclined to perceive the opposite?
IMO The "sunnyside" is the opposite of what would be perceived as "cold".
The words towards K and T seem blamingly cold.
"Others hands in the fire" we all know that a fire would be "hot" not "cold".
Not in the woods or near a tree...Firewood? Somewhere where firewood would be necessary in order to keep warm?
Just thinking out loud here.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 20, 2011, 01:00:16 PM
" and then the end that we all knew, would come, sad and happy to see it gone, our lives will go on but one will not, we shed a tear for little him, but not for them."

The use of the word "our" seems indicative of more than one like mind?
"Our lives will go on."
"but one will not"  This seems conditional present tense.
"but one will not" lacks specific information which allows room for speculation. (Intentionally?)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 20, 2011, 01:07:35 PM
" and then the end that we all knew, would come, sad and happy to see it gone,"

"the end" meaning that Kyron will be found.

"sad and happy to see it gone,"
"it" meaning the "end"?
the "end" meaning in regards to keeping Kyron from K and T?
"sad" that Kyron will be taken from them and yet happy that K and T have been exposed?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 20, 2011, 01:17:24 PM
"we shed a tear for little him, but not for them."
The writer ("the Eskimo") believes that K and T are at fault and due to being exposed (their lifestyle etc...?) believes that no one will feel sad for them (them being K and T)?

"we shed a tear for little him", again lacks detail and leaves room for speculation.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 20, 2011, 01:32:14 PM
A childs blessing a mans remorse, one cops woman so stay the course.

It seems interesting that the way this was written "a childs" blessing does not own "a mans remorse" neither does that man own the remorse?

Otherwise, it would be written as "a child's blessing" and "a man's remorse".

And, for that matter, the cop doesn't own the woman either...



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 20, 2011, 01:47:50 PM
 "Intent was there, luck prevailed humanity blushed and evil sailed, a course, a path, watery grave."

If one were to believe that intent was there but that luck prevailed, one would have to think that something perceivably ominous were about to happen but that luck prevailed over whatever ominous thing were about to happen?

 "Intent was there, luck prevailed humanity blushed and evil sailed, a course, a path, watery grave."

Evil sailed, a course, a path, watery grave possibly meaning that K and T would be drowning in the embarrassment of being exposed?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on June 20, 2011, 02:48:50 PM
Klaas you have seen pics of the Red Dress Run from the Chelsea King/Amber Dubois cases, was that similar in content? FYI,That is all I am wondering. Not that Kaine is a cross dresser. 


Title: Search grid on Skyline, near NW Moreland and Dixie Mountain Rd
Post by: neighbor on June 20, 2011, 05:14:55 PM
Yesterday, I drove through the last search grid and noticed that the vast majority of the properties East of Skyline are owned by Longview Timberlands.  The land is either forested, being clear cut or replanted.  Heavy equipment is left overnight.  Given that most of these lands are open to the public, it extends the search grid from immense to near impossible.

http://www.summitpost.org/bald-mountain/617579 (http://www.summitpost.org/bald-mountain/617579) (a similar sign)


Title: True's theory
Post by: neighbor on June 20, 2011, 10:55:56 PM
True Nelson posted his theory:
Quote
Based on what I know of the publicly released information, my professional experience, and the contributions of others, I would like to put forth the following theory regarding Kyron Horman’s disappearance. ... (fair use quote)

The 1st part can be found at:
http://trueattrue.blogspot.com/2011/06/kyron-horman-theory-part-1.html (http://trueattrue.blogspot.com/2011/06/kyron-horman-theory-part-1.html)


Title: Reply to WPG (on BOC)
Post by: neighbor on June 21, 2011, 11:58:03 AM
WPG says:
June 20, 2011 at 9:03 pm

Quote
neighbour,

Sorry to bother you about this again, but did you mention seeing SM to LE during the June 4/5/6 interviews at the school or after the list was sent out asking for input?
Considering he returned to Skyline right away to help out doing 12 hour shifts, it’s odd how LE did not have his name on the published list . . . did he work the late night to early morning shift maybe? TIA.
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/news/3919.htm

Sorry for cross posting, but I felt that I should reply and BOC doesn't take my posts (tried different browsers & machines).

No bother. 
I informed LE a couple of months ago.  To be honest, it feels like talking to the trees.


Title: Re: True's theory
Post by: sassifrass on June 21, 2011, 04:42:32 PM
True Nelson posted his theory:
Quote
Based on what I know of the publicly released information, my professional experience, and the contributions of others, I would like to put forth the following theory regarding Kyron Horman’s disappearance. ... (fair use quote)

The 1st part can be found at:
http://trueattrue.blogspot.com/2011/06/kyron-horman-theory-part-1.html (http://trueattrue.blogspot.com/2011/06/kyron-horman-theory-part-1.html)

Nothing new that we haven't heard already.


Title: Re: Reply to WPG (on BOC)
Post by: sassifrass on June 21, 2011, 04:44:05 PM
WPG says:
June 20, 2011 at 9:03 pm

Quote
neighbour,

Sorry to bother you about this again, but did you mention seeing SM to LE during the June 4/5/6 interviews at the school or after the list was sent out asking for input?
Considering he returned to Skyline right away to help out doing 12 hour shifts, it’s odd how LE did not have his name on the published list . . . did he work the late night to early morning shift maybe? TIA.
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/news/3919.htm

Sorry for cross posting, but I felt that I should reply and BOC doesn't take my posts (tried different browsers & machines).

No bother. 
I informed LE a couple of months ago.  To be honest, it feels like talking to the trees.


BBM

That's pretty frightening considering that they are the lead investigators.


Title: Re: Search grid on Skyline, near NW Moreland and Dixie Mountain Rd
Post by: sassifrass on June 21, 2011, 04:47:47 PM
Yesterday, I drove through the last search grid and noticed that the vast majority of the properties East of Skyline are owned by Longview Timberlands.  The land is either forested, being clear cut or replanted.  Heavy equipment is left overnight.  Given that most of these lands are open to the public, it extends the search grid from immense to near impossible.

http://www.summitpost.org/bald-mountain/617579 (http://www.summitpost.org/bald-mountain/617579) (a similar sign)


Do you know how long they have been clear cutting that area; specifically the search area?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 21, 2011, 05:10:20 PM
Since we were talking about cryptic messages, I wanted to share an email I received on May 9th. Keep in mind that I only use this email at SM.

The subject line in the email was this: kyron horman, 7 years old, portland, or #41 1/18/11 - 2/07/11

NOTE: The first thing I noticed was that this was typed in because they used lower case letters. SM uses upper case letters. Also, at that time we were clear in thread # 42 on SM.

In the body of the text, this was the message:

Hi. Do you offer tree removal?  And or transplanting another tree to a different location?  It's not large.

Thanks


_______________________________________

FYI, Klaas and Blink have already been told about this email. It's been bugging the heck out of me. Any ideas fellow monkeys?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 21, 2011, 05:54:15 PM
Sassi it seems as if someone was trying to figure out who you are. Possibly someone who reads here? The topic of discussion in thread 41 includes you taking pics at a specific location.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 21, 2011, 06:54:03 PM
Sassi it seems as if someone was trying to figure out who you are. Possibly someone who reads here? The topic of discussion in thread 41 includes you taking pics at a specific location.


Yeah, I assumed that right away. They can't find that out because of my smart tech hubby and my brother, who actually teaches internet safety and is an MIT graduate. I have more isp locations then the lights on a Christmas tree. So I'm not worried about anyone tracking me down.  ::MonkeyTongue::

I'm more concerned about the body of the text. The message.

By July 1st, we're going to be down to ONE detective on this case. What a damn friggin shame. So as of right now, anything goes. Put everything out there no matter how trivial it may seem. You never know. Something could grow from it.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 21, 2011, 07:10:37 PM
As odd as the email seems, I'm curious, did you respond back?
 ::MonkeyEek::

Too, I wonder if they were wanting a live tree to be transplanted elsewhere or?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 21, 2011, 07:16:17 PM
Plus,
How did they get your email addy? I'm not seeing a link. (I admit I have bad eye sight in advance.)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 21, 2011, 07:19:44 PM
As odd as the email seems, I'm curious, did you respond back?
 ::MonkeyEek::

Too, I wonder if they were wanting a live tree to be transplanted elsewhere or?

PML: I believe the message is cryptic.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 21, 2011, 07:20:23 PM
Plus,
How did they get your email addy? I'm not seeing a link. (I admit I have bad eye sight in advance.)

It's in my signature line, purposely.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 21, 2011, 07:23:23 PM
Plus,
How did they get your email addy? I'm not seeing a link. (I admit I have bad eye sight in advance.)

It's in my signature line, purposely.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: LOL!  Whew! I'm not that blind after all. I didn't look there!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 21, 2011, 07:27:24 PM
I agree. It does seem cryptic.


Title: Re: Reply to WPG (on BOC)
Post by: Kokos Cat on June 21, 2011, 08:08:13 PM
WPG says:
June 20, 2011 at 9:03 pm

Quote
neighbour,

Sorry to bother you about this again, but did you mention seeing SM to LE during the June 4/5/6 interviews at the school or after the list was sent out asking for input?
Considering he returned to Skyline right away to help out doing 12 hour shifts, it’s odd how LE did not have his name on the published list . . . did he work the late night to early morning shift maybe? TIA.
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/news/3919.htm

Sorry for cross posting, but I felt that I should reply and BOC doesn't take my posts (tried different browsers & machines).

No bother. 
I informed LE a couple of months ago.  To be honest, it feels like talking to the trees.


So sad, so true.  I'm so sorry that this case has devolved as it has.  I wonder how much credence to put on the accuracy/completeness of the list.  I still wonder if SH was there.  Also, AV and BP.  :/
Frustrating. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Kokos Cat on June 21, 2011, 08:14:09 PM
Sassi it seems as if someone was trying to figure out who you are. Possibly someone who reads here? The topic of discussion in thread 41 includes you taking pics at a specific location.


Yeah, I assumed that right away. They can't find that out because of my smart tech hubby and my brother, who actually teaches internet safety and is an MIT graduate. I have more isp locations then the lights on a Christmas tree. So I'm not worried about anyone tracking me down.  ::MonkeyTongue::

I'm more concerned about the body of the text. The message.

By July 1st, we're going to be down to ONE detective on this case. What a damn friggin shame. So as of right now, anything goes. Put everything out there no matter how trivial it may seem. You never know. Something could grow from it.

Dear Sassi,
I sooo appreciate getting your email.  I'm sorry I haven't had time to write!  However,
I have been a little concerned about you since you mentioned the availability of your email.  Sounds like you've got it covered, though...


Cheers,
Kokos


Title: Re: Search grid on Skyline, near NW Moreland and Dixie Mountain Rd
Post by: neighbor on June 21, 2011, 08:19:17 PM
Yesterday, I drove through the last search grid and noticed that the vast majority of the properties East of Skyline are owned by Longview Timberlands.  The land is either forested, being clear cut or replanted.  Heavy equipment is left overnight.  Given that most of these lands are open to the public, it extends the search grid from immense to near impossible.

http://www.summitpost.org/bald-mountain/617579 (http://www.summitpost.org/bald-mountain/617579) (a similar sign)


Do you know how long they have been clear cutting that area; specifically the search area?

Sorry, I don't.  The last time that I drove that part of Skyline was near the end of winter looking for snow.  I did not notice any logging at that time. 

On Sunday, we visited the Strawberry Festival at the Dixie Mt Grange.  I was surprised to see them logging on a late Sunday afternoon.  A few of the other properties had a car parked, so I assume that people do use it for recreation.  Not to plant any ideas, but it would be a much better place to hide a body than Sauvie Island.  Even to me, the area felt deserted.  Parking there will not raise an eyebrow because recreational use is allowed.  Sauvie Island is mainly used for recreation and as a wildlife refuge.

The only "news" that I found was about a closure in late August because of high fire danger.  I did not read the whole sign, but I remember that vehicles are not allowed, as is target shooting or camping.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 21, 2011, 09:07:17 PM
Sassi it seems as if someone was trying to figure out who you are. Possibly someone who reads here? The topic of discussion in thread 41 includes you taking pics at a specific location.


Yeah, I assumed that right away. They can't find that out because of my smart tech hubby and my brother, who actually teaches internet safety and is an MIT graduate. I have more isp locations then the lights on a Christmas tree. So I'm not worried about anyone tracking me down.  ::MonkeyTongue::

I'm more concerned about the body of the text. The message.

By July 1st, we're going to be down to ONE detective on this case. What a damn friggin shame. So as of right now, anything goes. Put everything out there no matter how trivial it may seem. You never know. Something could grow from it.

Dear Sassi,
I sooo appreciate getting your email.  I'm sorry I haven't had time to write!  However,
I have been a little concerned about you since you mentioned the availability of your email.  Sounds like you've got it covered, though...


Cheers,
Kokos

Koko: I don't understand what you mean by that. I never sent you an email.

And, I do have it covered.  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 21, 2011, 09:23:57 PM
Sassi it seems as if someone was trying to figure out who you are. Possibly someone who reads here? The topic of discussion in thread 41 includes you taking pics at a specific location.


Yeah, I assumed that right away. They can't find that out because of my smart tech hubby and my brother, who actually teaches internet safety and is an MIT graduate. I have more isp locations then the lights on a Christmas tree. So I'm not worried about anyone tracking me down.  ::MonkeyTongue::

I'm more concerned about the body of the text. The message.

By July 1st, we're going to be down to ONE detective on this case. What a damn friggin shame. So as of right now, anything goes. Put everything out there no matter how trivial it may seem. You never know. Something could grow from it.

Dear Sassi,
I sooo appreciate getting your email.  I'm sorry I haven't had time to write!  However,
I have been a little concerned about you since you mentioned the availability of your email.  Sounds like you've got it covered, though...


Cheers,
Kokos

Koko: I don't understand what you mean by that. I never sent you an email.

And, I do have it covered.  ::MonkeyKiss::

Koko: I just want to expand on this. You can duplicate anyone's email. Yahoo, the one that I use, along with many others, requires you to use a case sensitive email. In other words, in easy terms, my email here is justsassifrass@yahoo.com, but someone can pretentiously use an email, with uppercase that is JUSTSASSIFRSS@yahoo.com. It will appear that it's from me, but it's not.

Hope that helps.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 21, 2011, 09:25:36 PM
Sassi it seems as if someone was trying to figure out who you are. Possibly someone who reads here? The topic of discussion in thread 41 includes you taking pics at a specific location.


Yeah, I assumed that right away. They can't find that out because of my smart tech hubby and my brother, who actually teaches internet safety and is an MIT graduate. I have more isp locations then the lights on a Christmas tree. So I'm not worried about anyone tracking me down.  ::MonkeyTongue::

I'm more concerned about the body of the text. The message.

By July 1st, we're going to be down to ONE detective on this case. What a damn friggin shame. So as of right now, anything goes. Put everything out there no matter how trivial it may seem. You never know. Something could grow from it.

Dear Sassi,
I sooo appreciate getting your email.  I'm sorry I haven't had time to write!  However,
I have been a little concerned about you since you mentioned the availability of your email.  Sounds like you've got it covered, though...


Cheers,
Kokos

Koko: I don't understand what you mean by that. I never sent you an email.

And, I do have it covered.  ::MonkeyKiss::

Koko: I just want to expand on this. You can duplicate anyone's email. Yahoo, the one that I use, along with many others, requires you to use a case sensitive email. In other words, in easy terms, my email here is justsassifrass@yahoo.com, but someone can pretentiously use an email, with uppercase that is JUSTSASSIFRASS@yahoo.com. It will appear that it's from me, but it's not.

Hope that helps.

Edited by me. Put the wrong spelling in. sorry.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: cw618 on June 21, 2011, 10:29:35 PM
sorry for rehashing,6/21/10 is the day i heard about kyron
on the news,my first thought was a parental kidnapping, then
the more i learned,my next idea was a predator,then TH,info
came to lite, i just think about kyron a lot, he has that
little boy smile that sticks to you ya know.
smile
http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2010/news/100621/kyron-horman-240.jpg

its now 1yr and 17 days,since kyron horman,was seen at his
last known location, (skyline elementary,portland or.)
and im still trying to find out how TH took him from the
school without anyone noticing.
 b4 we knew that kitty, TH 18mo old daughter was with her,
and the extent of the fair goers,coming and going, it was
easier to imagine some scenarios,of the how she could have
taken kyron,and no one notice. now that i know this info
it has become extremely harder to work out a scenario. like
was kitty walking or in a stroller,im going to say a stroller
BC,in the 2010 Bday pic at kyrons school,kitty was in a stroller
and it would be a lot easier to keep up with kitty if she
were in a stroller,as the day kyron disappeared kitty was 
18mo old,and 3 months b4, TH was describing on her FB how good
kitty was climbing,running,and getting around.

the only scenario ive come up with,that no one would have took notice is

TH,had kyron go out to the truck with her,for whatever reason,after
TH put kitty in the truck,so its unlikely that the same people would
be around the halls or the parking lot, when kyron went out with her.
if TH managed to get kyron out to the truck,its still hard to fig
how she did something to kyron,with kitty there, could be at the FM
stop she got a otc drug, to put kitty to sleep,and setting up a time
stamp.i also believe that LE has info about the time TH said she left
at 8:45, i think she saw someone and spoke to them, as she was leaving
with kitty,so she had that time stamp of when she left and then TH came
back for kyron

i believe the fact that so many people moving about,and preoccupied
is the key to no one noticing kyron had disappeared.
ive often wondered if LE has a chronological ordered list,of each person
who saw kyron where and what time, as that is prob how they determined
what hrs they were looking at, when the LE was asking about the times
between 8:30 and i think it was 9:15 or 9:45,

if kitty was in a lightweight stroller,maybe it was the same one from
the csi trip
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8203.msg1195165#msg1195165

next post some interesting details about searches for kyron,i missed
or just didnt read b4






Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: cw618 on June 21, 2011, 10:33:34 PM
details about searches for kyron in the first days,an interesting
read for sure

Search grinds into ninth day
 ::snipping2::
On Saturday, more than 300 people searched for Kyron, sometimes covering the same areas two and
three times.

Groundpounders continue their work
 ::snipping2::
The search for the missing second grader continued with the help of state-certified search
teams riding horses and walking through the brush, said sheriff’s Sgt. Diana Olson, incident
commander for the search and rescue operation.

The aircraft – a UH60 Blackhawk helicopter based in Salem – will search areas overhead that
would otherwise be inaccessible, Lt. Col. Marty Plotner said.

http://www.beavertonvalleytimes.com/news/print_story.php?story_id=127576029009015000


this is where i found the above,good source with link backs,to old and new
news, in fact this blog keeps up with other missing persons too,use the search
for whom ever to see what you get


JoCoSAR BlogA weblog for Friends of SAR: Josephine County, Oregon
http://www.jocosarblog.org/jocosarblog/2010/08/kyron-search-terri-horman-email-provides-
insight-into-family-tensions.html#tp (http://www.jocosarblog.org/jocosarblog/2010/08/kyron-search-terri-horman-email-provides-
insight-into-family-tensions.html#tp)



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 22, 2011, 09:19:53 AM
Boy, these people like to write books. I know that we were aware of R. Neil Horman's books that he wrote; one of them being "Rolf's Hideout".

http://northwesttales.com/TokensofTrust/RolfsHideout.html (http://northwesttales.com/TokensofTrust/RolfsHideout.html)

What I didn't know was that another Horman wrote some books; one of them titled " Wired for Murder".

http://melvinhorman.com/Wired.html (http://melvinhorman.com/Wired.html)



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 22, 2011, 10:44:01 AM
Anyone know WHO or What this could be? Just noticed it. They have the same address and phone #. It wasn't there before. I'll see if I can figure it out.

KAINE   Middle Name   A
Last Name   HORMAN   Primary Address   15725 NW SHELTERED NOOK RD
City   PORTLAND   State   OR
ZIP Code   97231   Phone Number   (503) xxx-xxxx


First Name   R & J   Last Name   MUCKEN
Primary Address   15725 NW SHELTERED NOOK RD   City   PORTLAND
State   OR   ZIP Code   97231
Phone Number   (503) xxx-xxxx


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: akmom on June 22, 2011, 01:09:04 PM
Sassi, I always find your posts interesting and informative.  To be honest, that message creeps me right out.  I hope that you are being careful.  I am not a good sleuther at all.  Just wondering if maybe Kyron is in a tree.  Probably being way too literal.......


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: neighbor on June 22, 2011, 02:08:59 PM
Anyone know WHO or What this could be? Just noticed it. They have the same address and phone #. It wasn't there before. I'll see if I can figure it out.

KAINE   Middle Name   A
Last Name   HORMAN   Primary Address   15725 NW SHELTERED NOOK RD
City   PORTLAND   State   OR
ZIP Code   97231   Phone Number   (503) xxx-xxxx


First Name   R & J   Last Name   MUCKEN
Primary Address   15725 NW SHELTERED NOOK RD   City   PORTLAND
State   OR   ZIP Code   97231
Phone Number   (503) xxx-xxxx

I thought it might be the previous owners, but these Robert and Joanne are now listed at Wakefield St with a last sale at 7/1/1982.  Veromi and PeopleSmart doesn't know about them.  What people search engine did you use?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Kokos Cat on June 22, 2011, 03:27:12 PM
Sassi it seems as if someone was trying to figure out who you are. Possibly someone who reads here? The topic of discussion in thread 41 includes you taking pics at a specific location.


Yeah, I assumed that right away. They can't find that out because of my smart tech hubby and my brother, who actually teaches internet safety and is an MIT graduate. I have more isp locations then the lights on a Christmas tree. So I'm not worried about anyone tracking me down.  ::MonkeyTongue::

I'm more concerned about the body of the text. The message.

By July 1st, we're going to be down to ONE detective on this case. What a damn friggin shame. So as of right now, anything goes. Put everything out there no matter how trivial it may seem. You never know. Something could grow from it.

Dear Sassi,
I sooo appreciate getting your email.  I'm sorry I haven't had time to write!  However,
I have been a little concerned about you since you mentioned the availability of your email.  Sounds like you've got it covered, though...


Cheers,
Kokos

Koko: I don't understand what you mean by that. I never sent you an email.

And, I do have it covered.  ::MonkeyKiss::

Dear Sassi Cat,
  Sorry my post was not clear!  I should have said I was relieved/happy to have ACCESS to your email ADDRESS, not that I was glad to have received your email!  (Hope this makes sense.)  Anyway, I appreciate your bravery in posting your email ADDRESS in your signature line!  I don't really know how to protect my identity well enough to feel safe doing this.... (that's why I was worried about YOU doing it... but as I said, looks like you've got some high tech help on board!  :)  and it shouldn't be a problem.
   Anyway, I haven't written you an email yet.  I hope to bee in touch ASAP!
   
Thoughts about the strange email you did receive:   Hmmm.... seems like it was written by a landscaper or groundskeeper or someone posing as one.  Very strange.  It smacks of metaphor, as well.   As if, they are saying one thing, but mean another.  Although, maybe I'm reading too much into this.  All these landscaping/groundskeeping venues have me a little jumpy.

Please let us know if you figure it out.

Hope you are well~!

Kokos Cat ::MonkeyKiss::


   


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: cw618 on June 22, 2011, 08:52:00 PM
Anyone know WHO or What this could be? Just noticed it. They have the same address and phone #. It wasn't there before. I'll see if I can figure it out.

KAINE   Middle Name   A
Last Name   HORMAN   Primary Address   15725 NW SHELTERED NOOK RD
City   PORTLAND   State   OR
ZIP Code   97231   Phone Number   (503) xxx-xxxx


First Name   R & J   Last Name   MUCKEN
Primary Address   15725 NW SHELTERED NOOK RD   City   PORTLAND
State   OR   ZIP Code   97231
Phone Number   (503) xxx-xxxx

sassi,not sure but way back in maybe fall 2010,it seems i ran across that name on S.island,seems it was something
about the truck and car sighting,i was looking into, i could be wrong maybe the name was, macken and not mucken,
 ill see if i still have that file, if i do ill post it


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: yuknomenot on June 22, 2011, 10:52:53 PM
Anyone know WHO or What this could be? Just noticed it. They have the same address and phone #. It wasn't there before. I'll see if I can figure it out.

KAINE   Middle Name   A
Last Name   HORMAN   Primary Address   15725 NW SHELTERED NOOK RD
City   PORTLAND   State   OR
ZIP Code   97231   Phone Number   (503) xxx-xxxx


First Name   R & J   Last Name   MUCKEN
Primary Address   15725 NW SHELTERED NOOK RD   City   PORTLAND
State   OR   ZIP Code   97231
Phone Number   (503) xxx-xxxx
If these are indeed the former owners, could they be listed because they self-financed (the proper term is stuck on the end of my tongue) or possibly hold a 2nd mortgage.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Amys Sister on June 23, 2011, 03:48:51 AM
Since we were talking about cryptic messages, I wanted to share an email I received on May 9th. Keep in mind that I only use this email at SM.

The subject line in the email was this: kyron horman, 7 years old, portland, or #41 1/18/11 - 2/07/11

NOTE: The first thing I noticed was that this was typed in because they used lower case letters. SM uses upper case letters. Also, at that time we were clear in thread # 42 on SM.

In the body of the text, this was the message:

Hi. Do you offer tree removal?  And or transplanting another tree to a different location?  It's not large.

Thanks


_______________________________________

FYI, Klaas and Blink have already been told about this email. It's been bugging the heck out of me. Any ideas fellow monkeys?

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Were you able to respond or track the sender?

Thread #41 was entirely about David Durham.

It seems to be directing you toward landscapers and their services which is interesting because that's what Terri did in her attempts at the MFH prior to Kyron's disappearance.

According to Urban Dictionary 'trees' is a term for marijuana.  Could be someone wants pot, a child, or a spouse moved/removed.  (it's not large might indicate a child or a small amount of marijuana)

Did the Mexican orphanage which JW's father was affiliated with have a name or stated mission that referred to trees or branches?  It's late so I cannot look into it now, but IIRC it did.
 
Sassi, what do you think the email meant? 



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Kokos Cat on June 23, 2011, 03:57:40 AM
Anyone know WHO or What this could be? Just noticed it. They have the same address and phone #. It wasn't there before. I'll see if I can figure it out.

KAINE   Middle Name   A
Last Name   HORMAN   Primary Address   15725 NW SHELTERED NOOK RD
City   PORTLAND   State   OR
ZIP Code   97231   Phone Number   (503) xxx-xxxx


First Name   R & J   Last Name   MUCKEN
Primary Address   15725 NW SHELTERED NOOK RD   City   PORTLAND
State   OR   ZIP Code   97231
Phone Number   (503) xxx-xxxx

sassi,not sure but way back in maybe fall 2010,it seems i ran across that name on S.island,seems it was something
about the truck and car sighting,i was looking into, i could be wrong maybe the name was, macken and not mucken,
 ill see if i still have that file, if i do ill post it

Sassi, CW & Monks,

Robert G Mucken

  18910 NW Sauvie Island Rd Portland, OR Age: 65+
Associated people: Joanne F Mucken

http://www.411.com/dir/portland-or/mucken/robert (http://www.411.com/dir/portland-or/mucken/robert)

Thanks to erose on BOC!

 ::MonkeyKiss::



http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-155/#comment-1705238 (http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-155/#comment-1705238)
Quote
erose says:
June 22, 2011 at 2:47 pm
Neighbor & Sassi,

Per your SM posts…

I found the Mucken’s on Sauvie Island.

http://www.411.com/dir/portland-or/mucken/robert



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 23, 2011, 11:12:06 AM
I posted this over at BOC. Just in case Blink is busy, I'm posting it over here also.

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-156/#comment-1705710 (http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-156/#comment-1705710)

sassifrass says:
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
June 23, 2011 at 10:12 am

@jan & Blinksters: I’m going to need more time on this whole UCC thing. What I’m finding is just not making sense to me. In the meantime, could you research ties to Araceli Enterprises, Inc (Don’t limit it to Washington) & Florinda Luna. There is more, but it’s a start.
It’s just getting weird and not making sense. Who the heck knows, I could be going down the wrong path.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: neighbor on June 23, 2011, 11:36:53 AM
I posted this over at BOC. Just in case Blink is busy, I'm posting it over here also.

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-156/#comment-1705710 (http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-156/#comment-1705710)

sassifrass says:
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
June 23, 2011 at 10:12 am

@jan & Blinksters: I’m going to need more time on this whole UCC thing. What I’m finding is just not making sense to me. In the meantime, could you research ties to Araceli Enterprises, Inc (Don’t limit it to Washington) & Florinda Luna. There is more, but it’s a start.
It’s just getting weird and not making sense. Who the heck knows, I could be going down the wrong path.

Muchas Gracias?  I am lost, but looking forward to what you find.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 23, 2011, 12:09:38 PM
I posted this over at BOC. Just in case Blink is busy, I'm posting it over here also.

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-156/#comment-1705710 (http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-156/#comment-1705710)

sassifrass says:
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
June 23, 2011 at 10:12 am

@jan & Blinksters: I’m going to need more time on this whole UCC thing. What I’m finding is just not making sense to me. In the meantime, could you research ties to Araceli Enterprises, Inc (Don’t limit it to Washington) & Florinda Luna. There is more, but it’s a start.
It’s just getting weird and not making sense. Who the heck knows, I could be going down the wrong path.

Muchas Gracias?  I am lost, but looking forward to what you find.

It's not about Muchas Gracias. It's about Araceli Enterprises, Inc.

According to Washington Corporations,  Florinda Luna is the president of the company and registered agent of Araceli Enterprises, Inc.,.

http://wa.14thstory.com/araceli-enterprises-inc.html (http://wa.14thstory.com/araceli-enterprises-inc.html)

But, this company, Araceli Enterprises, Inc, was already incorporated in San Diego, Ca by Araceli Martinez-Rose in 2002, an investigative reporter for KDTV in San Francisco.

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/araceli-martinez-rose/21/701/660 (http://www.linkedin.com/pub/araceli-martinez-rose/21/701/660)

According to Wiki Corporation the company was started by Sal Gonzalez .

http://www.corporationwiki.com/California/Burlingame/araceli-enterprises-inc/43771939.aspx (http://www.corporationwiki.com/California/Burlingame/araceli-enterprises-inc/43771939.aspx)

So what I'm getting at is how can a company be incorporated by 3 different people? And, wth do they do under that corporation.

This is giving me a headache. I couldn't specifically find "the truck" lien, but I did find other liens. Typically if there is one lien, you'll find others.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: neighbor on June 23, 2011, 12:22:32 PM
I posted this over at BOC. Just in case Blink is busy, I'm posting it over here also.

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-156/#comment-1705710 (http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-156/#comment-1705710)

sassifrass says:
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
June 23, 2011 at 10:12 am

@jan & Blinksters: I’m going to need more time on this whole UCC thing. What I’m finding is just not making sense to me. In the meantime, could you research ties to Araceli Enterprises, Inc (Don’t limit it to Washington) & Florinda Luna. There is more, but it’s a start.
It’s just getting weird and not making sense. Who the heck knows, I could be going down the wrong path.

Muchas Gracias?  I am lost, but looking forward to what you find.

It's not about Muchas Gracias. It's about Araceli Enterprises, Inc.

According to Washington Corporations,  Florinda Luna is the president of the company and registered agent of Araceli Enterprises, Inc.,.

http://wa.14thstory.com/araceli-enterprises-inc.html (http://wa.14thstory.com/araceli-enterprises-inc.html)

But, this company, Araceli Enterprises, Inc, was already incorporated in San Diego, Ca by Araceli Martinez-Rose in 2002, an investigative reporter for KDTV in San Francisco.

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/araceli-martinez-rose/21/701/660 (http://www.linkedin.com/pub/araceli-martinez-rose/21/701/660)

According to Wiki Corporation the company was started by Sal Gonzalez .

http://www.corporationwiki.com/California/Burlingame/araceli-enterprises-inc/43771939.aspx (http://www.corporationwiki.com/California/Burlingame/araceli-enterprises-inc/43771939.aspx)

So what I'm getting at is how can a company be incorporated by 3 different people? And, wth do they do under that corporation.

This is giving me a headache. I couldn't specifically find "the truck" lien, but I did find other liens. Typically if there is one lien, you'll find others.

Interesting.

I mentioned the restaurant, because Araceli shares an address at 117th Ave, Vancouver, WA according to 411.com.

Looking at some relations to the restaurant pointed me to Sunnyside, WA.  Maybe I am starting to see ghosts.
http://findarticles.com/p/news-articles/columbian-vancouver-wash/mi_8100/is_20070805/muchas-momentum-chain-vancouver-mexican/ai_n51349025/

Did you see all the businesses (incl landscaping)? 
http://www.veromi.net/Summary.asp?fn=n&mn=&ln=Gonzalez&dobmm=&dobdd=&doby=&city=burlingame&state=CA&age=52&vw=&Search=&Input=&x=38&y=5

Speaking about ghosts, I just realized that there was a major drugs bust in my 'hood in 2009
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2009/06/oregon_busts_huge_drug_cartel.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 23, 2011, 12:41:49 PM
I posted this over at BOC. Just in case Blink is busy, I'm posting it over here also.

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-156/#comment-1705710 (http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-156/#comment-1705710)

sassifrass says:
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
June 23, 2011 at 10:12 am

@jan & Blinksters: I’m going to need more time on this whole UCC thing. What I’m finding is just not making sense to me. In the meantime, could you research ties to Araceli Enterprises, Inc (Don’t limit it to Washington) & Florinda Luna. There is more, but it’s a start.
It’s just getting weird and not making sense. Who the heck knows, I could be going down the wrong path.

Muchas Gracias?  I am lost, but looking forward to what you find.

It's not about Muchas Gracias. It's about Araceli Enterprises, Inc.

According to Washington Corporations,  Florinda Luna is the president of the company and registered agent of Araceli Enterprises, Inc.,.

http://wa.14thstory.com/araceli-enterprises-inc.html (http://wa.14thstory.com/araceli-enterprises-inc.html)

But, this company, Araceli Enterprises, Inc, was already incorporated in San Diego, Ca by Araceli Martinez-Rose in 2002, an investigative reporter for KDTV in San Francisco.

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/araceli-martinez-rose/21/701/660 (http://www.linkedin.com/pub/araceli-martinez-rose/21/701/660)

According to Wiki Corporation the company was started by Sal Gonzalez .

http://www.corporationwiki.com/California/Burlingame/araceli-enterprises-inc/43771939.aspx (http://www.corporationwiki.com/California/Burlingame/araceli-enterprises-inc/43771939.aspx)

So what I'm getting at is how can a company be incorporated by 3 different people? And, wth do they do under that corporation.

This is giving me a headache. I couldn't specifically find "the truck" lien, but I did find other liens. Typically if there is one lien, you'll find others.

Interesting.

I mentioned the restaurant, because Araceli shares an address at 117th Ave, Vancouver, WA according to 411.com.

Looking at some relations to the restaurant pointed me to Sunnyside, WA.  Maybe I am starting to see ghosts.
http://findarticles.com/p/news-articles/columbian-vancouver-wash/mi_8100/is_20070805/muchas-momentum-chain-vancouver-mexican/ai_n51349025/

Did you see all the businesses (incl landscaping)? 
http://www.veromi.net/Summary.asp?fn=n&mn=&ln=Gonzalez&dobmm=&dobdd=&doby=&city=burlingame&state=CA&age=52&vw=&Search=&Input=&x=38&y=5

Speaking about ghosts, I just realized that there was a major drugs bust in my 'hood in 2009
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2009/06/oregon_busts_huge_drug_cartel.html

Egads! Wth is going on? Maybe this is why Kaine said up to 4 years.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 23, 2011, 08:33:42 PM
neighbor: could you please email me at the addy on my sig line. Thanks

Sorry for the OT.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on June 24, 2011, 01:27:39 PM
Out of curiosity:
                      Does anyone know what happened regarding the Horman's little girl ? Does she remain with Kaine, & did Terri ever get granted supervised or ANY visitation with her child ?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Kokos Cat on June 24, 2011, 05:23:18 PM
Out of curiosity:
                      Does anyone know what happened regarding the Horman's little girl ? Does she remain with Kaine, & did Terri ever get granted supervised or ANY visitation with her child ?

Princess,

As far as I know Kitty is with Kaine.  I don't believe Terri has been granted any visitation at all. I could be wrong, though.  Hope this helps...

Kokos


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Kokos Cat on June 24, 2011, 05:31:45 PM
Sassi,

 ::MonkeyAngel::
When you have time could you please clarify how the people listed at the same address as KH came into play? 

Are they CURRENTLY living there?
Was the phone number listed the same as KH's?
Where did this info come from?
Any idea when they resided on SI?

Also... regarding the info you just recently posted (from BOC)... I have no idea what's going on there! Could you please explain this to me?  I don't know how this company is related to Kyron's case. 

I know you're bizzy, but I feel it must be important, or you wouldn't have mentioned it...

Thanks!
 ::MonkeyKiss::

Kokos


Below, please find the  posts that are confusing me...   ::MonkeyConfused::

I posted this over at BOC. Just in case Blink is busy, I'm posting it over here also.

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-156/#comment-1705710 (http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-156/#comment-1705710)

sassifrass says:
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
June 23, 2011 at 10:12 am

@jan & Blinksters: I’m going to need more time on this whole UCC thing. What I’m finding is just not making sense to me. In the meantime, could you research ties to Araceli Enterprises, Inc (Don’t limit it to Washington) & Florinda Luna. There is more, but it’s a start.
It’s just getting weird and not making sense. Who the heck knows, I could be going down the wrong path.

Muchas Gracias?  I am lost, but looking forward to what you find.

It's not about Muchas Gracias. It's about Araceli Enterprises, Inc.

According to Washington Corporations,  Florinda Luna is the president of the company and registered agent of Araceli Enterprises, Inc.,.

http://wa.14thstory.com/araceli-enterprises-inc.html (http://wa.14thstory.com/araceli-enterprises-inc.html)

But, this company, Araceli Enterprises, Inc, was already incorporated in San Diego, Ca by Araceli Martinez-Rose in 2002, an investigative reporter for KDTV in San Francisco.

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/araceli-martinez-rose/21/701/660 (http://www.linkedin.com/pub/araceli-martinez-rose/21/701/660)

According to Wiki Corporation the company was started by Sal Gonzalez .

http://www.corporationwiki.com/California/Burlingame/araceli-enterprises-inc/43771939.aspx (http://www.corporationwiki.com/California/Burlingame/araceli-enterprises-inc/43771939.aspx)

So what I'm getting at is how can a company be incorporated by 3 different people? And, wth do they do under that corporation.

This is giving me a headache. I couldn't specifically find "the truck" lien, but I did find other liens. Typically if there is one lien, you'll find others.

Interesting.

I mentioned the restaurant, because Araceli shares an address at 117th Ave, Vancouver, WA according to 411.com.

Looking at some relations to the restaurant pointed me to Sunnyside, WA.  Maybe I am starting to see ghosts.
http://findarticles.com/p/news-articles/columbian-vancouver-wash/mi_8100/is_20070805/muchas-momentum-chain-vancouver-mexican/ai_n51349025/

Did you see all the businesses (incl landscaping)? 
http://www.veromi.net/Summary.asp?fn=n&mn=&ln=Gonzalez&dobmm=&dobdd=&doby=&city=burlingame&state=CA&age=52&vw=&Search=&Input=&x=38&y=5

Speaking about ghosts, I just realized that there was a major drugs bust in my 'hood in 2009
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2009/06/oregon_busts_huge_drug_cartel.html

Egads! Wth is going on? Maybe this is why Kaine said up to 4 years.





Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 24, 2011, 05:52:35 PM
Out of curiosity:
                      Does anyone know what happened regarding the Horman's little girl ? Does she remain with Kaine, & did Terri ever get granted supervised or ANY visitation with her child ?

Princess,

As far as I know Kitty is with Kaine.  I don't believe Terri has been granted any visitation at all. I could be wrong, though.  Hope this helps...

Kokos

I believe the divorce proceedings were suppose to continue this month, but there is only one week left, so most likely the MSM is not covering that right now. The RO, IIRC is about to run out, so who knows what's going to happen. Something has to shake.

Did you hear that? No? That's because EVRYONE is friggin silent while a little boy goes missing.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 24, 2011, 06:05:06 PM
Sassi,

 ::MonkeyAngel::
When you have time could you please clarify how the people listed at the same address as KH came into play? 

Are they CURRENTLY living there?
Was the phone number listed the same as KH's?
Where did this info come from?
Any idea when they resided on SI?

Also... regarding the info you just recently posted (from BOC)... I have no idea what's going on there! Could you please explain this to me?  I don't know how this company is related to Kyron's case. 

I know you're bizzy, but I feel it must be important, or you wouldn't have mentioned it...

Thanks!
 ::MonkeyKiss::

Kokos


Below, please find the  posts that are confusing me...   ::MonkeyConfused::


Koko: Rudy Sanchez (the LS who allegedly was a part of the sting in the MFH plot with Terri) had a UCC Lien in the state of Washington. In order to nail down RS and his associates, I needed to find out who and what he was associated with. So the easiest way for me to explain it is that there are hinky companies set up with him and known associates.

It has to do with Kyron because when he went "poof", someone was very smart in covering their tracks. Not just any "Joe Shmoe" from the street.

Does that make sense?



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 24, 2011, 06:05:47 PM
Oops! I got in your box!  ::MonkeyJnBox:: Sorry about that.  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Kokos Cat on June 25, 2011, 03:53:39 AM
Aha!  Now I understand.  Thanks Sassi!
 ::MonkeyShovel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: neighbor on June 25, 2011, 12:55:10 PM
I posted this over at BOC. Just in case Blink is busy, I'm posting it over here also.

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-156/#comment-1705710 (http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-156/#comment-1705710)

sassifrass says:
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
June 23, 2011 at 10:12 am

@jan & Blinksters: I’m going to need more time on this whole UCC thing. What I’m finding is just not making sense to me. In the meantime, could you research ties to Araceli Enterprises, Inc (Don’t limit it to Washington) & Florinda Luna. There is more, but it’s a start.
It’s just getting weird and not making sense. Who the heck knows, I could be going down the wrong path.

Muchas Gracias?  I am lost, but looking forward to what you find.

It's not about Muchas Gracias. It's about Araceli Enterprises, Inc.

According to Washington Corporations,  Florinda Luna is the president of the company and registered agent of Araceli Enterprises, Inc.,.

http://wa.14thstory.com/araceli-enterprises-inc.html (http://wa.14thstory.com/araceli-enterprises-inc.html)

But, this company, Araceli Enterprises, Inc, was already incorporated in San Diego, Ca by Araceli Martinez-Rose in 2002, an investigative reporter for KDTV in San Francisco.

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/araceli-martinez-rose/21/701/660 (http://www.linkedin.com/pub/araceli-martinez-rose/21/701/660)

According to Wiki Corporation the company was started by Sal Gonzalez .

http://www.corporationwiki.com/California/Burlingame/araceli-enterprises-inc/43771939.aspx (http://www.corporationwiki.com/California/Burlingame/araceli-enterprises-inc/43771939.aspx)

So what I'm getting at is how can a company be incorporated by 3 different people? And, wth do they do under that corporation.

This is giving me a headache. I couldn't specifically find "the truck" lien, but I did find other liens. Typically if there is one lien, you'll find others.

From http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080828134927AA13woq (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080828134927AA13woq)
Quote
It is common to find the same name used by another business in a different state. When you form a corporation in your state, states only require that the corporation's name be distinguishable (ie. different) from the names of other corporations and/or other business entities that are registered in the state of incorporation.  UNLESS one business has trademarked the name.(snipped)

FYI Araceli was trademarked recently
http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4005:16lcrv.5.1 (http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4005:16lcrv.5.1)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 25, 2011, 01:08:37 PM
Was the corporation trademarked because your link expired? Which query did you use on the search?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 25, 2011, 01:24:12 PM
Was the corporation trademarked because your link expired? Which query did you use on the search?


I found it under goods and services, but I don't see a references that would relate to a corporation. Could you do the query again and copy/paste the info along with the link, because it times out.

Thanks neighbor!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on June 29, 2011, 11:37:24 PM
IIRC, unless the R.O. against Terri was renewed and not made public (we haven't heard any news), then I believe that R.O. was due to have already expired by now.

Also, I believe tomorrow 6/30 is the day for the next divorce court hearing.

There's so little going on about Kyron that I wonder if it will make the news or not.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on June 30, 2011, 12:59:30 AM
Look what I found!

http://www.katu.com/news/local/124749564.html

Restraining order against Terri will stay in effect, judge decides


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Kokos Cat on June 30, 2011, 02:08:34 AM
Thanks Puzzler.  What I don't understand is:  why isn't the Oregonian covering this?

Do you (or any other monkeys here) have a theory on what will happen next regarding the divorce?

Thanks!

 ::MonkeyKiss::

Kokos


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: gmaw on June 30, 2011, 11:41:25 AM
Sass, is Melvin the molester?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 30, 2011, 12:47:56 PM
Sass, is Melvin the molester?

gmaw: Could you please explain that statement/question?


O/T kind of: Sorry I haven't posted in a few days. I've working on overdrive trying to help bring Kyron home. I'll post when I'm finished. Not sure when, because these darn doors keep opening.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: gmaw on June 30, 2011, 01:02:57 PM
Sorry Sass. I don't know how to post or comment on this forum. You mentioned that Melvin Horman is also an author and my question is: Is Melvin Horman the grandfather accused of molesting Kaine's brother.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 30, 2011, 01:09:30 PM
Sorry Sass. I don't know how to post or comment on this forum. You mentioned that Melvin Horman is also an author and my question is: Is Melvin Horman the grandfather accused of molesting Kaine's brother.

No. Kaine and Kristian were adopted by R. Neil Horman. Kristi Horman is Kaine's bio mother. So the answer to your question is no. Hope that helps.

p.s. You do a fine job posting gmaw.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: cw618 on June 30, 2011, 06:38:06 PM
O/T kind of: Sorry I haven't posted in a few days. I've working on overdrive trying to help bring Kyron home. I'll post when I'm finished. Not sure when, because these darn doors keep opening.

Sassi,  thank you for working so hard for kyron
  we need a thank you monkey
 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on June 30, 2011, 11:05:55 PM
Thank you Puzzler, Sassi and all you other Monkeys here for Kyron.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on July 01, 2011, 12:05:25 AM
Sass, is Melvin the molester?

gmaw: Could you please explain that statement/question?


O/T kind of: Sorry I haven't posted in a few days. I've working on overdrive trying to help bring Kyron home. I'll post when I'm finished. Not sure when, because these darn doors keep opening.

Sassi - love to hear that you're working on something - you're such a good sleuther.  Thank you.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on July 01, 2011, 12:08:23 AM
The RO has been extended for 3 months:

http://www.kptv.com/story/15002327/kaine-horman-gets-restraining-order-extension



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: monchichi on July 01, 2011, 12:32:13 AM
The RO has been extended for 3 months:

http://www.kptv.com/story/15002327/kaine-horman-gets-restraining-order-extension



I wonder why it was extended for just 3 months.  Do they anticipate having new/different information in 3 months or is this the best the judge could do, without anything new?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Kokos Cat on July 01, 2011, 12:53:37 AM
Good question, Monchichi! :)

Thanks Sassi!

 ::MonkeyKiss::

Welcome, Gmaw!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: neighbor on July 01, 2011, 09:42:30 PM
Was the corporation trademarked because your link expired? Which query did you use on the search?


I found it under goods and services, but I don't see a references that would relate to a corporation. Could you do the query again and copy/paste the info along with the link, because it times out.

Thanks neighbor!

Sorry for the delay.  Here are the results of doing a basic search for "araceli" at http://tess2.uspto.gov/

Quote
Mark Image
Word Mark    ARACELI
Translations    The English translation of ARACELI in the mark is ALTAR OF HEAVEN.
Goods and Services    IC 033. US 047 049. G & S: Distilled Spirits
Standard Characters Claimed    
Mark Drawing Code    (4) STANDARD CHARACTER MARK
Serial Number    85235562
Filing Date    February 7, 2011
Current Filing Basis    1B
Original Filing Basis    1B
Owner    (APPLICANT) Michael Chu CORPORATION CALIFORNIA 160 W. Foothill Pkwy. Suite 105-95 Corona CALIFORNIA 92882
Attorney of Record    Michael Machat
Type of Mark    TRADEMARK
Register    PRINCIPAL
Live/Dead Indicator    LIVE

This pm there was a "Good Morning Oregon" news van at the Wall of Hope.  I expect some (background) coverage on katu.com tomorrow.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Kokos Cat on July 02, 2011, 02:04:46 AM
 ::MonkeyAngel::
Thanks, Neighbor!
 ::MonkeyAngel::
 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on July 02, 2011, 07:19:42 AM
http://www.kptv.com/story/15016106/kyron-horman-investigation-shifting-gears
Video
Kyron Horman investigation shifts gears
July 1, 2011

PORTLAND, Ore. -

The search for a missing northwest Portland boy is officially shifting gears today
 ::snipping2::
The investigation was reshaped into a task force in October 2010 and as of today, the funding that paid for a full-time prosecutor and investigator to be on the case has dried up, according to the Multnomah County District Attorney's Office.
The lead investigative agency, the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office, said the case will take a more technical focus now, with investigators working more specific leads.

The agencies involved in the investigation won't change. The FBI is involved, along with the Oregon Department of Justice.

Kyron's stepmother, Terri Horman, has remained the focus of the investigation. However, no one has been identified as a person of interest of suspect in the disappearance.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on July 02, 2011, 07:23:31 AM
http://www.katu.com/news/local/124903454.html
Video
Kyron case still active even with shift in focus
July 2, 2011

PORTLAND, Ore. – The search for Kyron Horman took a tactical turn Friday but the boy's father, Kaine, says he wants to be clear the change isn't the end but just a shift in focus.

According to the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office, it is not disbanding the Kyron Horman Task Force, but it is just reorganizing it and the case is still an ongoing investigation.
 ::snipping2::
That support is especially important now that the Kyron Horman Task Force is transitioning to a more technical focus, a decision the sheriff’s office announced just before the anniversary of Kyron’s disappearance last month.

"It's going through communication records of all different forms," Kaine said. "You've got online; you've got cell phones; you've got whatever various angles you have on that."

Investigators will now focus on technology-based forensics, gathering information and following leads.
 ::snipping2::
According to the sheriff's office, all the major players like the FBI and Department of Justice will still be involved in the investigation. But it is a shift away from the task force model and most members will go back to their agencies and will be called in as needed.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 02, 2011, 07:47:35 PM
Thanks Muffy for the links!

My post is 3/4 of the way done. I'll post in the next few days. This is for Kyron and Desiree.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Kokos Cat on July 04, 2011, 01:25:54 AM
Thanks, Sassi~Cat!

Listen,
do you know if HO submitted his scent evidence to the FBI?

 ::MonkeyJnBox::

I know he turned everything in to MCSO, but don't know specifically about the FBI.  Would you mind asking him?  Please?

Thanks ever so much...

Kokos~Cat

 ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: monchichi on July 04, 2011, 01:30:34 AM
My neighbors are driving me crazy w/ the fireworks, which made me think of this interview from last year.  I can't believe it's the 4th again, and Kyron is still missing.
I'm still trying to hold on to the hope that Kyron is out there, waiting to be found.

--------------snipped------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"How difficult was it to be without Kyron this 4th of July?
Desiree – It was very difficult. Kyron doesn’t like real loud noises and so he generally is kind of timid when it comes to celebrating the 4th of July, but the main thing that I missed was Kyron sitting on my lap for the entire show. I always tell him he is just making sure that I am not afraid, at least that is what I tell him when his 15 year old brother teases him about it.
Kaine – extremely difficult. He likes the lights and colors but not the noises and will often sit and watch with his ears covered. We have tried a few fireworks in the past but he definitely prefers watching them. Kyron enjoys the food/BBQ that we usually do and we usually play outside most of the day, which he loves to do."
-------------end snip-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.kval.com/news/97864464.html?tab=video


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: melisb on July 04, 2011, 08:03:42 AM
You are right and I do remember that interview!  Where is Kyron?  He should be here with his family enjoying the food, fun and covering his ears while sitting in his Mama's lap!  How I wish we never needed to know this beautiful little boys name!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 04, 2011, 01:10:42 PM
Thanks, Sassi~Cat!

Listen,
do you know if HO submitted his scent evidence to the FBI?

 ::MonkeyJnBox::

I know he turned everything in to MCSO, but don't know specifically about the FBI.  Would you mind asking him?  Please?

Thanks ever so much...

Kokos~Cat

 ::MonkeyKiss::

That answer would be a big NO. HO only sent the info on his findings to MCSO. It's a big possibility that the FBI isn't even aware of it.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 05, 2011, 03:17:37 PM
O/T kind of

I am so pissed. How can they not find Casey guilty? Poor little Caylee. This is exactly what could happen to Terri and whoever helped, if they go to trial without enough evidence. Kyron will not get justice until the DA can have an iron clad case. They had so much evidence against her too. Just makes me sick.  ::MonkeyMad::

Prayers for Casey and Kyron.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Titch on July 05, 2011, 09:31:15 PM
O/T kind of

I am so pissed. How can they not find Casey guilty? Poor little Caylee. This is exactly what could happen to Terri and whoever helped, if they go to trial without enough evidence. Kyron will not get justice until the DA can have an iron clad case. They had so much evidence against her too. Just makes me sick.  ::MonkeyMad::

Prayers for Casey and Kyron.  ::MonkeyAngel::

Since the verdict, Kyron immediately came to mind. Something is wrong with our justice system. Common sense & logic are replaced with expectations that are set too high. Why is there nobody being held responsible for Kyron's disappearance? Why?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: TnMuse on July 05, 2011, 10:03:02 PM
O/T kind of

I am so pissed. How can they not find Casey guilty? Poor little Caylee. This is exactly what could happen to Terri and whoever helped, if they go to trial without enough evidence. Kyron will not get justice until the DA can have an iron clad case. They had so much evidence against her too. Just makes me sick.  ::MonkeyMad::

Prayers for Casey and Kyron.  ::MonkeyAngel::

Since the verdict, Kyron immediately came to mind. Something is wrong with our justice system. Common sense & logic are replaced with expectations that are set too high. Why is there nobody being held responsible for Kyron's disappearance? Why?

After watching what happened in Caylee's case, I think we know why.  Not enough evidence to convict. Terri is probably kicking herself for not partying all this time the way Casey did after Caylee was thrown away in the swamp.  Guess this will boost her confidence. So sad.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Kokos Cat on July 06, 2011, 02:50:25 AM
Thanks, Sassi~Cat!

Listen,
do you know if HO submitted his scent evidence to the FBI?

 ::MonkeyJnBox::

I know he turned everything in to MCSO, but don't know specifically about the FBI.  Would you mind asking him?  Please?

Thanks ever so much...

Kokos~Cat

 ::MonkeyKiss::

That answer would be a big NO. HO only sent the info on his findings to MCSO. It's a big possibility that the FBI isn't even aware of it.

Thanks Sassi.  :(


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: tnmomb on July 06, 2011, 04:40:46 AM
O/T kind of

I am so pissed. How can they not find Casey guilty? Poor little Caylee. This is exactly what could happen to Terri and whoever helped, if they go to trial without enough evidence. Kyron will not get justice until the DA can have an iron clad case. They had so much evidence against her too. Just makes me sick.  ::MonkeyMad::

Prayers for Casey and Kyron.  ::MonkeyAngel::

Since the verdict, Kyron immediately came to mind. Something is wrong with our justice system. Common sense & logic are replaced with expectations that are set too high. Why is there nobody being held responsible for Kyron's disappearance? Why?

After watching what happened in Caylee's case, I think we know why.  Not enough evidence to convict. Terri is probably kicking herself for not partying all this time the way Casey did after Caylee was thrown away in the swamp.  Guess this will boost her confidence. So sad.


Right with ya. Thought about Kyron and how Terri has not been arrested. I am sure MC has been watching too and won't move until they know they've got the evidence to convict...or like we saw today...The message is clear.... Terri WILL go free


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on July 07, 2011, 05:10:59 PM
Ok so how do they get the evidence to convict anyone at this point. If there are no witnesses, no evidence on a body (if they happen to find one) then it is the perfect crime committed. At this point if there is not even enough evidence to even arrest her (or anyone) on a lesser charge then she (or anyone) will never be arrested. I think just like in the Chelsea King/Amber Dubois cases, if nobody confesses then Kyron may never see justice.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 07, 2011, 11:21:28 PM
Ok so how do they get the evidence to convict anyone at this point. If there are no witnesses, no evidence on a body (if they happen to find one) then it is the perfect crime committed. At this point if there is not even enough evidence to even arrest her (or anyone) on a lesser charge then she (or anyone) will never be arrested. I think just like in the Chelsea King/Amber Dubois cases, if nobody confesses then Kyron may never see justice.

I respectfully disagree. As hard as it may seem, because of the Caylee case, I DO believe Kyron will get justice.

Everyone is feeling the pain of the injustice in Caylee's case, but you can't use that as a precedence. My first thought was "chit, we don't have a chance". Now I look at it as, "screw you people that want to talk in cryptic messages and hide the truth". The truth will come out and Kyron WILL get justice.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: can on July 08, 2011, 05:39:56 PM
Prayers for Kyron continue.   ::FlyingFrog:: ::FlyingFrog::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on July 08, 2011, 05:49:50 PM
Ok so how do they get the evidence to convict anyone at this point. If there are no witnesses, no evidence on a body (if they happen to find one) then it is the perfect crime committed. At this point if there is not even enough evidence to even arrest her (or anyone) on a lesser charge then she (or anyone) will never be arrested. I think just like in the Chelsea King/Amber Dubois cases, if nobody confesses then Kyron may never see justice.

I respectfully disagree. As hard as it may seem, because of the Caylee case, I DO believe Kyron will get justice.

Everyone is feeling the pain of the injustice in Caylee's case, but you can't use that as a precedence. My first thought was "chit, we don't have a chance". Now I look at it as, "screw you people that want to talk in cryptic messages and hide the truth". The truth will come out and Kyron WILL get justice.

This is one time I hope I am wrong sass and you are right.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: TnMuse on July 08, 2011, 11:45:25 PM
Ok so how do they get the evidence to convict anyone at this point. If there are no witnesses, no evidence on a body (if they happen to find one) then it is the perfect crime committed. At this point if there is not even enough evidence to even arrest her (or anyone) on a lesser charge then she (or anyone) will never be arrested. I think just like in the Chelsea King/Amber Dubois cases, if nobody confesses then Kyron may never see justice.

I respectfully disagree. As hard as it may seem, because of the Caylee case, I DO believe Kyron will get justice.

Everyone is feeling the pain of the injustice in Caylee's case, but you can't use that as a precedence. My first thought was "chit, we don't have a chance". Now I look at it as, "screw you people that want to talk in cryptic messages and hide the truth". The truth will come out and Kyron WILL get justice.

This is one time I hope I am wrong sass and you are right.
I second that emotion.  Guess we are all just a little frustrated, but Sass is right we can't give up hope for Kyron and the other little missing angels.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 09, 2011, 07:58:05 PM
So sorry this is so long, but I wanted to get as much in as possible. It's not complete, but you'll get the idea.

This isn’t the post that I have been working on all this time because as I had stated, doors kept on opening. I don’t know if this post and the information within, will help find Kyron but this I know, it MAY lead us in a different direction; somewhat. My thought was, maybe was stashed away somewhere.

I believe, along with everyone who had known Kyron personally, that he would not have gone with a stranger. Who ever made him go poof at Skyline School, knew Kyron, and Kyron knew them.

After going through over 156 emails of communication, with several sources, and a lot of research, I thought for Kyron’s sake, I would make this post. So, this is what I partially have so far with info from sources and my own research. I don’t have links for some info because they are source related, of which I have emailed Klaas, to confirm. Part of this post is also a follow up of information that was posted on http://blinkoncrime.com/.

At Skyline School, in 2010, Kyron had a classmate with the initials TG, who also, after 6 months, became a potential key witness in Kyron’s disappearance. (NOTE: This is source related, please do not ask questions related to this.)

David Owen Gill, guardian to TG, is his grandfather, although his sourced bio parents are Carrie Lee Gill and David James Lee Gill (supposed son of David Owen Gill). Just to bring you up to date with associates, these are the names of David Owen Gills family members. This is only a partial list. I realize that some of this is repetitive to BOC posters, but not all Monkeys read at BOC, so this is for their background knowledge.


http://my.peoplesmart.com/psp.aspx?_act=peopleResults (http://my.peoplesmart.com/psp.aspx?_act=peopleResults)

David Owen Gill

David O Gill 57

Location:
La Pine, OR
Portland, OR
Beaverton, OR 

Relative/Associates:
Bonnie Anne Gill
Chad Jeremy Gill
David James L Gill
Debra Ann Gill (a.k.a. Debbie Gill. Wife)
Gail Ellen Gill

David Owen Gill and Debra Ann Gill Own property in La Pine, Or. There is a 1 BR x 1 Bath cabin, and they purchased the property behind it also.

http://w3.deschutes.org/DIAL/newDIALSystemBroker.cfm?CMD=PICKNAME&DATA=GILL%252CDAVID+O*GILL%252CDAVID+O&OPTS=TADNSIEC (http://w3.deschutes.org/DIAL/newDIALSystemBroker.cfm?CMD=PICKNAME&DATA=GILL%252CDAVID+O*GILL%252CDAVID+O&OPTS=TADNSIEC)

GILL,DAVID O
GILL,DEBRA A
7010 NW SKYLINE BLVD
PORTLAND  OR  97229
 
Site Address: 17639 COSSET LOOP  LA PINE 97739
 
Assessor Property Description
NEWBERRY ESTATES PHASE II Lot: 13 Block: 13
 
Prop Cls:400  MA:4  VA:11  NH 000  Vol-Page:  2004-65543
Asmt Zone:RR  CDD Zone:WA (WILDLIFE AREA COMBINING ZONE)
                 "    :RR10 (RURAL RESIDENTIAL - 10 ACRES MINIMUM)
 
***  Land Values  ***
    Asmt type
    RURAL LOT                                         
 
***  Special Assessments   Code    Amount     Acres
     DEPT OF FORESTRY FIRE   1      18.75      1.16

http://w3.deschutes.org/DIAL/newDIALSystemBroker.cfm?CMD=PICKNAME&DATA=GILL%252CDAVID+OWEN*GILL%252CDAVID+OWEN&OPTS=TADNSIEC (http://w3.deschutes.org/DIAL/newDIALSystemBroker.cfm?CMD=PICKNAME&DATA=GILL%252CDAVID+OWEN*GILL%252CDAVID+OWEN&OPTS=TADNSIEC)

GILL,DAVID OWEN
GILL,DEBRA ANN
PO BOX 83403
PORTLAND  OR  97283
 
Site Address: 52752 KELVEL CT  LA PINE 97739

Room Grid for 121    Total SqFt: 416
                                - - - - - - - R O O M S - - - - - - -
                                       LR K DR FAM BD BATH OTH FP UTL
                   Sq Ft: 416  1st Fl   1 1        1   1           1


I’m going to take these one at a time.

David Owen Gill:

Grandfather of TG. He makes claims that HE is TG’s father (source)
Father of David James Lee Gill (?) Note: I put a ? because I really don’t know if he IS the father.
NO electronic footprint. No FB, MS, or any other personal web result that he used.
Previous employers: unknown. Per a source, he claimed he was a previous principal at PPS. This was proven false.

I want to go into more detail with her because she has more of an electronic foot print.

Debbie Ann Gill: a.k.a Debra Ann Gill. Wife of David Owen Gill.

FB page: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000011106160&sk=friends&v=friends (https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000011106160&sk=friends&v=friends)

Profile pic of Debbie’s on FB (it was enlarged so not real clear) and Profile pic of Rodolfo Sanchez (which I posted prior, the ones in Chicago) NOTE: Compare the girl in both Debra’s pic and Rodolfo’s pic.

(http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad12/sass2heart/GillFamily2.jpg) (http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad12/sass2heart/RodolfoSanchez2.jpg)



DAG FB friends:

Ben Lemke:  https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000011106160&sk=friends&v=friends#!/ben.lemke?sk=wall (https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000011106160&sk=friends&v=friends#!/ben.lemke?sk=wall)

Is that a marihoochy plant? Sure is.

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000011106160&sk=friends&v=friends#!/photo.php?fbid=1687024050713&set=a.1687004690229.2082113.1091018098&type=1&theater (https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000011106160&sk=friends&v=friends#!/photo.php?fbid=1687024050713&set=a.1687004690229.2082113.1091018098&type=1&theater)

Images:  (http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad12/sass2heart/PlantWhatIsIt.jpg)

FB Friend:

Sheryll Sanchez:  https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000011106160&sk=friends&v=friends#!/profile.php?id=609116211 (https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000011106160&sk=friends&v=friends#!/profile.php?id=609116211)

I found 2 different and similar family members and associates.
http://www.veromi.com/Search.aspx?sType=name&db=&fn=sheryll&mn=&ln=sanchez&city=&state=OR&dobmm=&dobdd=&doby= (http://www.veromi.com/Search.aspx?sType=name&db=&fn=sheryll&mn=&ln=sanchez&city=&state=OR&dobmm=&dobdd=&doby=)

Sanchez, Sheryll R36
   
Aloha, OR
Beaverton, OR
Gresham, OR
Relatives/Associates:
Sanchez, Anthony Mark
Sanchez, Remedios T
Sanchez, Estrada Eduardo ( Sanchez Estrada? Sound familiar?)
Sanchez, Dianna Nite
Sanchezbuenrostro, Rocio
Canovalazquez, Oscar
Sanchez, Fernando
Sanchez, Julio
Sanchez, Remy S

http://my.peoplesmart.com/psp.aspx?_act=peopleResults
 (http://my.peoplesmart.com/psp.aspx?_act=peopleResults)

Sheryll Sanchez 36

Troutdale, OR
Gresham, OR
Beaverton, OR

Portland, OR  Anthony M Sanchez
Antonio Mark Sanchez SR
Maria Guadalupe Sanchez (The wife of Ubaldo Sanchez?)
Remedios R Sanchez

Then we have on FB friends, James Lee Gill Andrade from Brazil. I’ll get into this more at a later time:  https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000011106160&sk=friends&v=friends#!/profile.php?id=1265324423 (https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000011106160&sk=friends&v=friends#!/profile.php?id=1265324423)

David James Lee Gill: Son (?) of David Owen Gill.  Father of TG.( No electronic footprint)

Employed at Kaady Car washes (Manager): http://www.manta.com/c/mm00hyy/kaady-car-washes
Kaady Car Washes (Owner Charles M  Kaady)
10020 SW Capitol Highway
Portland, OR 97219-6800

Kaady Car Washes has a plane registered with the FAA: http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=13KD  (http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=13KD)


I’ve looked through over 800 people that have planes registered with the FAA. Those not only included the people “on the list”, but also known companies and people mentioned throughout this case. I found 3 other people that are on “the list”, that also have planes or associated with people that have planes. They are:

Merton A Foster ( Daughter/in law(?) is Laura Foster, on the list) http://aircraft-registration.findthebest.com/detail/138551/FOSTER-MERTON-A-JR (http://aircraft-registration.findthebest.com/detail/138551/FOSTER-MERTON-A-JR)

Jess Gutierrez: http://aircraft-registration.findthebest.com/detail/250477/GUTIERREZ-JESS (http://aircraft-registration.findthebest.com/detail/250477/GUTIERREZ-JESS)

John N Briles ( Wife Jackie, son Blake, on the list) - http://aircraft-registration.findthebest.com/detail/236217/BRILES-JOHN (http://aircraft-registration.findthebest.com/detail/236217/BRILES-JOHN)

____________________________

After writing this post, with much help, I think that there is a possibility that Kyron is alive. Also I think there is a very LARGE possibility that the Chicago FB Sanchez' that I posted on SM, was a set up. Just throwing this out there.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 09, 2011, 08:00:06 PM
This is a copy of the people on the list.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9183.0 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9183.0)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: monchichi on July 09, 2011, 09:05:48 PM

____________________________

After writing this post, with much help, I think that there is a possibility that Kyron is alive. Also I think there is a very LARGE possibility that the Chicago FB Sanchez' that I posted on SM, was a set up. Just throwing this out there.


Sassi-

First of all, thank you for all of your hard work on this and all of your other research you have done.  I have always tried to remain hopeful that Kyron is alive (I admit I've had many low moments where it just doesn't seem likely). 

Is DAG in the group photo in your post and/or do you have any clear pictures of DAG?



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 09, 2011, 09:33:56 PM

____________________________

After writing this post, with much help, I think that there is a possibility that Kyron is alive. Also I think there is a very LARGE possibility that the Chicago FB Sanchez' that I posted on SM, was a set up. Just throwing this out there.


Sassi-

First of all, thank you for all of your hard work on this and all of your other research you have done.  I have always tried to remain hopeful that Kyron is alive (I admit I've had many low moments where it just doesn't seem likely). 

Is DAG in the group photo in your post and/or do you have any clear pictures of DAG?



Debbie Gill:

(http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad12/sass2heart/DebGill.jpg)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 09, 2011, 09:46:17 PM

____________________________

After writing this post, with much help, I think that there is a possibility that Kyron is alive. Also I think there is a very LARGE possibility that the Chicago FB Sanchez' that I posted on SM, was a set up. Just throwing this out there.


Sassi-

First of all, thank you for all of your hard work on this and all of your other research you have done.  I have always tried to remain hopeful that Kyron is alive (I admit I've had many low moments where it just doesn't seem likely). 

Is DAG in the group photo in your post and/or do you have any clear pictures of DAG?



Debbie Gill:

(http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad12/sass2heart/DebGill.jpg)

Wanted to add David Owen Gill's pic too:

(http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad12/sass2heart/DaveGill.jpg)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: monchichi on July 09, 2011, 10:46:28 PM
TY Sassi, for posting the pics!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 09, 2011, 11:09:49 PM
This is in reply to a BOC poster:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/#comments (http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/#comments)

erose says:
July 9, 2011 at 8:55 pm

Sassi,
Just saw your post. Big Stuff. Ask Neighbor, this guy misrepresented himself as a former PPS principal. Mid-June on this site has a lot of stuff. You are on to the sister I was speaking of in my last sentence. I’ll help, tell me what you need.
_________________________________

erose: I want to look at Sheryl R Sanchez on DAG's FB. I have a stinking feeling and I think we need to look further.

Those pics of her FB profile vs. the Rodolfo Sanchez FB daughter, look too familiar to me. There is a better pic coming, but it will take a few weeks to get.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: neighbor on July 10, 2011, 12:31:33 AM
This is in reply to a BOC poster:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/#comments (http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/#comments)

erose says:
July 9, 2011 at 8:55 pm

Sassi,
Just saw your post. Big Stuff. Ask Neighbor, this guy misrepresented himself as a former PPS principal. Mid-June on this site has a lot of stuff. You are on to the sister I was speaking of in my last sentence. I’ll help, tell me what you need.
_________________________________

erose: I want to look at Sheryl R Sanchez on DAG's FB. I have a stinking feeling and I think we need to look further.

Those pics of her FB profile vs. the Rodolfo Sanchez FB daughter, look too familiar to me. There is a better pic coming, but it will take a few weeks to get.


I see roads converge!

@Erose, that is not a nursery.  Paul and Bonnie run an adult foster care.  Manta is wrong.
http://www.ourparents.com/oregon/portland/gill_bonnie_a (http://www.ourparents.com/oregon/portland/gill_bonnie_a)

What other sisters are you referring to?  Gail (x John) in IL or Susan (x Gregory) in N Portland.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: islandmonkey on July 10, 2011, 02:27:39 AM
(http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad12/sass2heart/KyBillboard.jpg?t=1306849432)

 ::MonkeyAngel::
::MonkeyAngel::

Just wanted to drop in and say thanks to everyone for all the sleuthing you are doing, Sassi~you have really done an incredible job in piecing so many things together and I know everyone still thinks about Kyron, prays for him, but I rarely have time to post.....but HUGE thanks to everyone who does and continues to work so hard on this.

WRT the divorce atty fees, that is HUGE and retainers for a divorce case aren't generally near that. Mine was 7,500 and I ended up spending about 35m-40m to settle and protect my son over many yrs, so 100m out of the gate is extremely high IMO.

Second issue is a step parent taking a child to the Dr etc., I was never questioned once taking mine to the Doc, Dentist or therapist.....and twice were emergency issues, one for asthma and one for extremely low heart rate and a migraine (both in an ambulance). Since the boys mom lived far away and ex wasn't home had I not taken them I shudder to think what could have happened. I have never heard of a case where a step couldn't take a child, sans some really severe custodial issues but still don't know of one personally, and my step kids just left this week after a 7 day visit (and I divorced their dad 8 yrs ago) so I guess they knew I loved them as my own.......not all step parents are bad, just like not all bio parents are good. Anyway thanks again to everyone and Kyron, we haven't forgotten you lil frog man.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: islandmonkey on July 10, 2011, 03:03:14 AM
::HelloKitty::

Re the "SAR" person.  I have read on line that some of the claims he made of finding people were false.  When a child goes missing, there are so many kooks out there that are trying to "help".  So  many.

I am getting a feeling that some of the people commenting are happy that this investigation has gone nowhere. I also sense passive agressive remarks about Desiree.



 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyNoNo::  ::MonkeyShocked::

Then you are obviously reading anyone's comments WAY wrong..I can't think of anyone who has dedicated a yr+ time here on SM, BOC and on their own ripping this case up/down/sideways and backwards as HAPPY it has gone nowhere, and to say anything like that HK is a slap in the face to those who work so hard and are advocates of missing children....WOW ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 10, 2011, 10:27:27 AM
I forgot to add this to my earlier post. I know BOC posters are aware of it, but I don't think it was posted on SM.

Carrie Lee Gill, wife of David James Lee Gill, was arrested the morning that Kyron went missing, on 10 counts of Tampering with drugs.

http://www.pdxmugshots.com/mug/carrie-lee-gill (http://www.pdxmugshots.com/mug/carrie-lee-gill)


(http://www.pdxmugshots.com/hotlink.php?id=61634)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Kokos Cat on July 10, 2011, 03:36:33 PM
 ::MonkeyJnBox::

Island Monkey!  I have missed you!  It's great to see you back on the forum again, however briefly!

We parents are so busy, but truly do have our priorities straight in that regard.  Thanks for popping and and sharing your astute insights!  :)
Cheers,

Kokos Cat 

 ::MonkeyKiss::

::MonkeyAngel::

Just wanted to drop in and say thanks to everyone for all the sleuthing you are doing, Sassi~you have really done an incredible job in piecing so many things together and I know everyone still thinks about Kyron, prays for him, but I rarely have time to post.....but HUGE thanks to everyone who does and continues to work so hard on this.

WRT the divorce atty fees, that is HUGE and retainers for a divorce case aren't generally near that. Mine was 7,500 and I ended up spending about 35m-40m to settle and protect my son over many yrs, so 100m out of the gate is extremely high IMO.

Second issue is a step parent taking a child to the Dr etc., I was never questioned once taking mine to the Doc, Dentist or therapist.....and twice were emergency issues, one for asthma and one for extremely low heart rate and a migraine (both in an ambulance). Since the boys mom lived far away and ex wasn't home had I not taken them I shudder to think what could have happened. I have never heard of a case where a step couldn't take a child, sans some really severe custodial issues but still don't know of one personally, and my step kids just left this week after a 7 day visit (and I divorced their dad 8 yrs ago) so I guess they knew I loved them as my own.......not all step parents are bad, just like not all bio parents are good. Anyway thanks again to everyone and Kyron, we haven't forgotten you lil frog man.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Kokos Cat on July 10, 2011, 03:38:42 PM
 ::dogwag::
Sassi!  Wow, you've done it again!  Amazing work, and much to contemplate here... I almost feel like I need a graph or chart or "family tree"-like map thingy to figure it all out! 

Can't thank you enough...

Cheers,

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: neighbor on July 10, 2011, 04:58:11 PM
::snipping2::
http://my.peoplesmart.com/psp.aspx?_act=peopleResults
 (http://my.peoplesmart.com/psp.aspx?_act=peopleResults)

THANK YOU.  One remark
Sheryll Sanchez 36

Troutdale, OR
Gresham, OR
Beaverton, OR

Portland, OR  Anthony M Sanchez
Antonio Mark Sanchez SR
Maria Guadalupe Sanchez (The wife of Ubaldo Sanchez?)
Remedios R Sanchez

Could also be a younger Maria Sanchez from Beaverton.

Maria Sanchez, Beaverton
Age: 31
Phone: (503) 626-XXXX
Places Lived: Beaverton, OR; Portland, OR

Friends & Family
Leticia Sanchez Seattle, WA 93
Frank Sanchez Hillsboro, OR 55
Yolanda Sanchez Beaverton, OR 30
Leticia Sanchez Aurora, IL 53
Leticia Sanchez Portland, OR 45
Sheryll Sanchez Gresham, OR 36

see http://www.mylife.com/c-2242087469 (http://www.mylife.com/c-2242087469)

Spokeo gives the middle initial G with the same phone exchange 503-626-xxxx (I blanked some):

Maria G Sanchez
Female | Early 30's
Phone: (503) 626-xxxx
Address: xxx SW Murray Blvd
Location: Beaverton, OR 97005

see http://www.spokeo.com/search?q=maria%20sanchez%2C%20beaverton%2C%20or#:2884786811&sst=1 (http://www.spokeo.com/search?q=maria%20sanchez%2C%20beaverton%2C%20or#:2884786811&sst=1)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 10, 2011, 06:18:11 PM
::snipping2::
http://my.peoplesmart.com/psp.aspx?_act=peopleResults
 (http://my.peoplesmart.com/psp.aspx?_act=peopleResults)

THANK YOU.  One remark
Sheryll Sanchez 36

Troutdale, OR
Gresham, OR
Beaverton, OR

Portland, OR  Anthony M Sanchez
Antonio Mark Sanchez SR
Maria Guadalupe Sanchez (The wife of Ubaldo Sanchez?)
Remedios R Sanchez

Could also be a younger Maria Sanchez from Beaverton.

Maria Sanchez, Beaverton
Age: 31
Phone: (503) 626-XXXX
Places Lived: Beaverton, OR; Portland, OR

Friends & Family
Leticia Sanchez Seattle, WA 93
Frank Sanchez Hillsboro, OR 55
Yolanda Sanchez Beaverton, OR 30
Leticia Sanchez Aurora, IL 53
Leticia Sanchez Portland, OR 45
Sheryll Sanchez Gresham, OR 36

see http://www.mylife.com/c-2242087469 (http://www.mylife.com/c-2242087469)

Spokeo gives the middle initial G with the same phone exchange 503-626-xxxx (I blanked some):

Maria G Sanchez
Female | Early 30's
Phone: (503) 626-xxxx
Address: xxx SW Murray Blvd
Location: Beaverton, OR 97005

see http://www.spokeo.com/search?q=maria%20sanchez%2C%20beaverton%2C%20or#:2884786811&sst=1 (http://www.spokeo.com/search?q=maria%20sanchez%2C%20beaverton%2C%20or#:2884786811&sst=1)

Thanks! I wanted to make sure. I noticed that "Leticia" name keeps popping up when I look into the Sanchez'. "Leticia" doesn't seem to be a common name within the Hispanic community.

Also, you have to make sure the middle name is Guadalupe. The middle letter  "G" could be many things. It could mean " Gatorade" for all I know. j/k with ya.  ::MonkeyWink::

I don't like to go by initials because there can be a wide variety of people with those same names.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 10, 2011, 06:28:51 PM
I'm not trying to make this fit, I'm trying to see if it does fit.

The MGS is most likely NOT the US fit. What about the Sanchez Estrada names that pop up? Do they pan out?

Also, we need to look at the "Andrade" people related to the Gills. In order to look at some of them, you have to search 'International' Yahoo/Google sites. You'll also have to use a translator site to read it though.

You would be surprised how many International sites I looked at and Googled the word "Kyron Horman" and found hits. Orphanages in those countries are also a good place to look.

neighbor, have you looked at airports close to La Pine by any chance?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 10, 2011, 08:34:26 PM
BOC post:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/#comments (http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/#comments)

erose says:
July 10, 2011 at 6:41 pm

RE: SM Posts
Just a reminder that Leticia Sanchez is an aka for RS’s brother Jaime.

http://www.peoplesmart.com/psp.aspx?_act=results (http://www.peoplesmart.com/psp.aspx?_act=results)

__________________________

erose: Sorry I haven't seen that, on that people search engine, or any other. Could you copy/paste results please?

I'm tired of these damn Sanchez names. I guess it's better than the name Jones though.  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 10, 2011, 09:59:44 PM
BOC post:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/#comments (http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/#comments)

erose says:
July 10, 2011 at 8:16 pm

Somehow the Gills of La Pine are tied into the Haugen name.

http://www.veromi.com/Search.aspx?sType=name&db=&fn=&mn=&ln=haugen&city=la+pine&state=OR&dobmm=&dobdd=&doby=

Left field?

http://www.bendbulletin.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20110709/NEWS0107/107090340/1009/NEWS01&nav_category=NEWS01

Haugen’s execution, originally scheduled for Aug. 16, has been postponed indefinitely.

_______________________________

I don't think it's left field. If you remove the small stuff, you could lose the information to the large stuff. You should follow it. Check and double check everything, and most of all, don't make assumptions.

Btw, I surely appreciate and admire your work erose.  ::MonkeyWink::


I looked up airports close to La Pine. There is a small air field a little over 12 miles from there.

http://www.us-city-home.com/oregon/la-pine/airports.html (http://www.us-city-home.com/oregon/la-pine/airports.html)

Sunriver Airport

Sunriver, OR: Deschutes County
12.4 miles from La Pine, Oregon


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 10, 2011, 10:01:07 PM
One other thing. I checked to see if perhaps the Gills were renting the cabin, and I didn't see any signs that they were. At least publicly.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: neighbor on July 11, 2011, 02:05:07 PM
BOC post:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/#comments (http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/#comments)

erose says:
July 10, 2011 at 6:41 pm

RE: SM Posts
Just a reminder that Leticia Sanchez is an aka for RS’s brother Jaime.

http://www.peoplesmart.com/psp.aspx?_act=results (http://www.peoplesmart.com/psp.aspx?_act=results)

__________________________

erose: Sorry I haven't seen that, on that people search engine, or any other. Could you copy/paste results please?

I'm tired of these damn Sanchez names. I guess it's better than the name Jones though.  ::MonkeyTongue::

Searching peoplesmart for last name sanchez-estrada in OR yields:

Quote
Leticia Sanchez

AKA:
Estrada Jaime Sanchez
Estrada Jamie Sanchez
Estrada J Sanchez
Estrada L Sanchez
Leticia Sanchezestrada
Leticia S Estrada

places:
Portland, OR
Milwaukie, OR
Oregon City, OR

relatives:
Arturo C Sanchez

"Leticia" could be the 2nd given name.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: neighbor on July 11, 2011, 05:28:46 PM
After writing this post, with much help, I think that there is a possibility that Kyron is alive. Also I think there is a very LARGE possibility that the Chicago FB Sanchez' that I posted on SM, was a set up. Just throwing this out there.

Sassi-

First of all, thank you for all of your hard work on this and all of your other research you have done.  I have always tried to remain hopeful that Kyron is alive (I admit I've had many low moments where it just doesn't seem likely). 

Is DAG in the group photo in your post and/or do you have any clear pictures of DAG?

 ::snipping2::
David Owen Gill's pic too:

(http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad12/sass2heart/DaveGill.jpg)

Does anybody see a resemblance to the Fanno Creek sketch?
http://www.oregonlive.com/beaverton/index.ssf/2010/08/beaverton_police_release_sketch_of_suspect_in_sexual_assault_at_fanno_creek_park.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/beaverton/index.ssf/2010/08/beaverton_police_release_sketch_of_suspect_in_sexual_assault_at_fanno_creek_park.html)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 11, 2011, 06:38:03 PM
BOC post:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/#comments (http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/#comments)

erose says:
July 10, 2011 at 6:41 pm

RE: SM Posts
Just a reminder that Leticia Sanchez is an aka for RS’s brother Jaime.

http://www.peoplesmart.com/psp.aspx?_act=results (http://www.peoplesmart.com/psp.aspx?_act=results)

__________________________

erose: Sorry I haven't seen that, on that people search engine, or any other. Could you copy/paste results please?

I'm tired of these damn Sanchez names. I guess it's better than the name Jones though.  ::MonkeyTongue::

Searching peoplesmart for last name sanchez-estrada in OR yields:

Quote
Leticia Sanchez

AKA:
Estrada Jaime Sanchez
Estrada Jamie Sanchez
Estrada J Sanchez
Estrada L Sanchez
Leticia Sanchezestrada
Leticia S Estrada

places:
Portland, OR
Milwaukie, OR
Oregon City, OR

relatives:
Arturo C Sanchez

"Leticia" could be the 2nd given name.

Thanks. Now I see it. WTH are they doing? I just don't get it. I'm sick of these people.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 11, 2011, 06:39:01 PM
After writing this post, with much help, I think that there is a possibility that Kyron is alive. Also I think there is a very LARGE possibility that the Chicago FB Sanchez' that I posted on SM, was a set up. Just throwing this out there.

Sassi-

First of all, thank you for all of your hard work on this and all of your other research you have done.  I have always tried to remain hopeful that Kyron is alive (I admit I've had many low moments where it just doesn't seem likely). 

Is DAG in the group photo in your post and/or do you have any clear pictures of DAG?

 ::snipping2::
David Owen Gill's pic too:

(http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad12/sass2heart/DaveGill.jpg)

Does anybody see a resemblance to the Fanno Creek sketch?
http://www.oregonlive.com/beaverton/index.ssf/2010/08/beaverton_police_release_sketch_of_suspect_in_sexual_assault_at_fanno_creek_park.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/beaverton/index.ssf/2010/08/beaverton_police_release_sketch_of_suspect_in_sexual_assault_at_fanno_creek_park.html)


Hmmm. I don't see it. Maybe because the glasses are different?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 11, 2011, 06:40:08 PM
Why are we getting in the same box? I went way past the quote line.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: neighbor on July 11, 2011, 08:39:57 PM
BOC post:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/#comments (http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/#comments)

erose says:
July 10, 2011 at 6:41 pm

RE: SM Posts
Just a reminder that Leticia Sanchez is an aka for RS’s brother Jaime.

http://www.peoplesmart.com/psp.aspx?_act=results (http://www.peoplesmart.com/psp.aspx?_act=results)

__________________________

erose: Sorry I haven't seen that, on that people search engine, or any other. Could you copy/paste results please?

I'm tired of these damn Sanchez names. I guess it's better than the name Jones though.  ::MonkeyTongue::

Searching peoplesmart for last name sanchez-estrada in OR yields:

Quote
Leticia Sanchez

AKA:
Estrada Jaime Sanchez
Estrada Jamie Sanchez
Estrada J Sanchez
Estrada L Sanchez
Leticia Sanchezestrada
Leticia S Estrada

places:
Portland, OR
Milwaukie, OR
Oregon City, OR

relatives:
Arturo C Sanchez

"Leticia" could be the 2nd given name.

Thanks. Now I see it. WTH are they doing? I just don't get it. I'm sick of these people.

It is inconvenient to us, the Spanish names simply do not fit within the US naming convention. 

Spanish names:
- one or two first names
- no middle name
- two last names (last name of paternal grandfather, last name of maternal grandfather)

SSA rules:
- no hyphens or spaces
- first name up to 10 characters
- middle name up to 7 characters
- last name up to 13 characters

The common approach seems to be to either
- concatenate the last names, or
- to use the maternal name as middle name and the paternal name as last name.

When concatenating the logical approach would be to use a hyphen, but many computer systems (such as airlines) will not allow this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_naming_customs
http://www.ssa.gov/employer/ssnvshandbk/usingSSNVS.htm


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 11, 2011, 09:36:25 PM
Well, I am graciously stepping away from the Kyron case. This decision is for several reasons.

1. I honestly don't know what else to give.

2. Even if they find something on TH, with Kaine refusing to allow a certain SAR person search, after he found 'death scents' near his property, the defense will use that against him, and will create a doubt in the jury's mind.

3. Too many people are focused on the damn divorce hearings. Who gives a damn about that? Posters start posting about RO's, etc.. Who gives a chit. That's not finding Kyron. You want to talk about legalities regarding the Horman divorce instead of finding Kyron. It's BS.

4. Put your focus on finding Kyron and not on what you think will happen in the divorce hearings. Who the hell cares. Kyron needs to be found.

Yeah I'm pissed. I'm tired. For over a year I have been spending, a minimum of 6 days a week, trying to find out WHO made Kyron go poof. I post potential findings, not saying they are an actual or even potential clues of the person(s) that took Kyron. The focus always goes back to the same thing; "the divorce hearing".

I just don't know where else to go. I'm tired and frustrated because I can't find Kyron to bring him home to his mama. Maybe I just need a break.

Thanks for all of the support of the Monkeys and some of the Blinksters. Good luck to you all.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on July 12, 2011, 12:37:03 AM
I've been out-of-pocket out of necessity.  This article is a few days old and if it's already been posted, please forgive this re-post:


Kyron Horman investigation shifts gears

http://www.kptv.com/story/15016106/kyron-horman-investigation-shifting-gears




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: neighbor on July 12, 2011, 12:47:59 AM
Well, I am graciously stepping away from the Kyron case. This decision is for several reasons.

1. I honestly don't know what else to give.

2. Even if they find something on TH, with Kaine refusing to allow a certain SAR person search, after he found 'death scents' near his property, the defense will use that against him, and will create a doubt in the jury's mind.

3. Too many people are focused on the damn divorce hearings. Who gives a damn about that? Posters start posting about RO's, etc.. Who gives a chit. That's not finding Kyron. You want to talk about legalities regarding the Horman divorce instead of finding Kyron. It's BS.

4. Put your focus on finding Kyron and not on what you think will happen in the divorce hearings. Who the hell cares. Kyron needs to be found.

Yeah I'm pissed. I'm tired. For over a year I have been spending, a minimum of 6 days a week, trying to find out WHO made Kyron go poof. I post potential findings, not saying they are an actual or even potential clues of the person(s) that took Kyron. The focus always goes back to the same thing; "the divorce hearing".

I just don't know where else to go. I'm tired and frustrated because I can't find Kyron to bring him home to his mama. Maybe I just need a break.

Thanks for all of the support of the Monkeys and some of the Blinksters. Good luck to you all.

I understand, but still I am so sorry to hear that. ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Kokos Cat on July 12, 2011, 01:44:00 AM
 ::MonkeyAngel::
Dear Sassi,

I'm sure you need a break, burnout is a real problem in a case like this.  Please take whatever time you need.  And please, please come back when you are refreshed.

Thanks for all you've done; for maintaining the proper focus; and especially for never giving up on Kyron.  You've kept the flame alive and I'm so grateful for your efforts.

Cheers,

Koko

 ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: melisb on July 12, 2011, 07:23:39 AM
Oh Sassi, please just take some down time and come on back!  I know it's hard to devote so much time and give your heart and soul but you are doing a great job and you just may stumble across (maybe you have already!)that one person(s) Kyron's abductor!  Take some time and please come back refreshed.  According to the July 1 article there are only 2 investigators on this case!  Looks like they need all the Monkey power they can get!!! lol  Be good to yourself and rest.  Your heart will guide you to where you should be!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: labubske on July 12, 2011, 10:54:05 AM
I dug real deep into the Kyron case when he first went missing...but, stepped away from it after much frustration.  I have not followed it here at SMs though...so, I am not sure if this has been posted.  I know that the Northwest Tales have been discussed but not sure if this particular link has been posted...so I apologize in advance if it has.

http://ruthiessky.blogspot.com/2010/06/northwest-tales-to-truth.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: klaasend on July 12, 2011, 05:10:52 PM
Well, I am graciously stepping away from the Kyron case. This decision is for several reasons.

1. I honestly don't know what else to give.

2. Even if they find something on TH, with Kaine refusing to allow a certain SAR person search, after he found 'death scents' near his property, the defense will use that against him, and will create a doubt in the jury's mind.

3. Too many people are focused on the damn divorce hearings. Who gives a damn about that? Posters start posting about RO's, etc.. Who gives a chit. That's not finding Kyron. You want to talk about legalities regarding the Horman divorce instead of finding Kyron. It's BS.

4. Put your focus on finding Kyron and not on what you think will happen in the divorce hearings. Who the hell cares. Kyron needs to be found.

Yeah I'm pissed. I'm tired. For over a year I have been spending, a minimum of 6 days a week, trying to find out WHO made Kyron go poof. I post potential findings, not saying they are an actual or even potential clues of the person(s) that took Kyron. The focus always goes back to the same thing; "the divorce hearing".

I just don't know where else to go. I'm tired and frustrated because I can't find Kyron to bring him home to his mama. Maybe I just need a break.

Thanks for all of the support of the Monkeys and some of the Blinksters. Good luck to you all.

Sass
- I understand how you feel.  It's so difficult to keep on keeping on when there is no progress and so many roadblocks.  Sadly I don't know how much more anyone can do?

You have been a tireless advocate for Kyron and I'm sure his mom is more appreciative than she can say. 

You have  a heart of gold.  Please don't stay away too long.  Kyron needs more like you.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: cw618 on July 12, 2011, 06:34:10 PM
sassi take the break you need,and maybe you ll get some fresh ideas,you've worked hard for kyron,and im
sure it is appreciated by his parents,as it is by us monkeys

the day b4 yesterday,i had a convo about kyron,and my friend said,ya know she/TH must have thought the LE
had found a link or info,that went back to her/TH,else why hire a high $$$ attorney,she speculated maybe it was
in the 2 poly,or her statement,but since the results and the statement have not been released,we prob will never
know if thats why she/TH got the big $$$$$ attorney


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 12, 2011, 07:59:23 PM
Klaas & Monkeys:  You have been so kind and supportive. You're right, I got burned out. It doesn't take long for me to refresh. I've already received some new info to work on.

Klaas, I want you to know I would not be here if it weren't for you. My friend, you have always spoken up when I was out of line, and respected my point of view. This is why I stay at SM, because of you.

Regarding the BOC looking for the UCC lien information; I'll give it when I feel it's important to the case, and not sooner. I'm not here to feed your inquisitive minds. I'm here to find Kyron. Also, I'm not here to ask for approval or to agree or disagree with information I set forth. That doesn't matter to me one bit. I'm here for Kyron, and to bring him home to Desiree.

I'll be back in a few days hopefully. Love, love, love, the Monkeys.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 12, 2011, 10:01:28 PM
I just want to make a comment. The LE investigators in this case, meaning, MCSO, are a bunch of bumbling idiots. From the info that I have found, and the info sent to me, they don't know squat. I know for a fact that Desiree's family reads here, and that, IMO, is more important than MCSO reading here.

They have screwed up this case from the start. The FBI didn't even know some of the info that was being passed to them even though it was passed to MCSO.

I personally don't hold a lot of stock in what they say.

I think Tony needs to do his own investigating. Meaning, hire an outside PI firm to do their own researching.

I'll share something with you. HO posted this on his FB . His FB is closed so unless you are a friend, you can't see it.

Harry Oakes
One of the volunteers on the search for Kyron Horman just informed me that she was told by Kaine Horman that Mult. Co. Sheriff's office told Kaine not to use Harry Oakes because I "Tamper with evidence". What a crock of poop. I've inclosed a polygraph report that shows I've never done this ever. Shame on you MCSO and Kaine Horman.

They're way too political IMO.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on July 12, 2011, 11:22:52 PM
Sassi - you're a true gem and you've been an excellent sleuther for Kyron.  I alway enjoy your posts and read them several times over a period of days - they're always so full of information and things to ponder.  Thank you for doing such a great job!

Looking forward to reading more posts by you.

Thanks, again!

Puzzler



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 13, 2011, 05:23:46 PM
I'm working on some things but I wanted to make a comment. I try really hard to take a few days off to refresh, but I just keep seeing Desiree's face; weeping and struggling to find her son.

Although I don't post any longer on BOC http://blinkoncrime.com/ (http://blinkoncrime.com/) I do read there. Regarding the said "body language" of Kaine and Terri at the first presser, and them probably knowing that Kyron was already deceased, I don't believe that for one moment.

Kaine is certainly a strange pickle, but if he had any doubts of whether Kyron was alive, he would not have pretentiously given interviews to the MSM about his belief that Kyron was alive and stashed. I personally don't think Rudy is the key here. Not at all. I believe it may be easier for some people to look at him because he has been mentioned so much, and that is where they look. You need to look at the smallest of details however minute they may seem to be. If you do that, it typically leads to larger details. Please don't close your minds.

If we concentrate on one person as being the suspected POI, then we do a disservice to both Kyron and his momma.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on July 14, 2011, 02:31:37 PM
Hello Monkeys.  Glad to see everyone still here looking and hoping for Kyron.  Prayers all.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 14, 2011, 07:51:49 PM
I want to know who is this 1 guest that hangs out with me here in the Kyron thread. Whoever you are, thank you.

sassifrass and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: monchichi on July 14, 2011, 08:12:18 PM
I want to know who is this 1 guest that hangs out with me here in the Kyron thread. Whoever you are, thank you.

sassifrass and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

I don't know, but I'm lurking pretty often!  I'm with you Sassi~ I don't know what to do really.  Wish I could find Kyron and bring him home to his Momma.  There isn't enough info to work with here.  I'm constantly impressed by what you are able to dig up on your own!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 14, 2011, 09:09:54 PM
I want to know who is this 1 guest that hangs out with me here in the Kyron thread. Whoever you are, thank you.

sassifrass and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

I don't know, but I'm lurking pretty often!  I'm with you Sassi~ I don't know what to do really.  Wish I could find Kyron and bring him home to his Momma.  There isn't enough info to work with here.  I'm constantly impressed by what you are able to dig up on your own!

Oh monchichi my friend, there is more coming. It's like a tower of blocks. You have to keep knocking the wrong ones down until you get to the bottom. Have faith sweet monchichi. The answers will come.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: monchichi on July 14, 2011, 10:33:34 PM
I want to know who is this 1 guest that hangs out with me here in the Kyron thread. Whoever you are, thank you.

sassifrass and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

I don't know, but I'm lurking pretty often!  I'm with you Sassi~ I don't know what to do really.  Wish I could find Kyron and bring him home to his Momma.  There isn't enough info to work with here.  I'm constantly impressed by what you are able to dig up on your own!

Oh monchichi my friend, there is more coming. It's like a tower of blocks. You have to keep knocking the wrong ones down until you get to the bottom. Have faith sweet monchichi. The answers will come.  ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: monkeystar on July 14, 2011, 10:52:30 PM
Hi sassi....it might be me who is the "guest".  I have been following this case from the beginning.  I check on Kyron everyday to see if he is home yet.  He is a part of my heart as my own children are.  I have followed every theory posted here and at BOC.  I have never posted before this entry.  I love the dedication you have demonstrated in helping to bring Kyron home to Desiree.  I feel like I am a part of a huge community who has sincere compassion to bring this little boy home.  It makes me sad to see that there is not more movement on this page.  I hope people do not forget.  This sweet little boy who loves frogs, fireflies, and smiles......I have tears in my eyes.  God bless......l


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 14, 2011, 11:26:46 PM
Hi sassi....it might be me who is the "guest".  I have been following this case from the beginning.  I check on Kyron everyday to see if he is home yet.  He is a part of my heart as my own children are.  I have followed every theory posted here and at BOC.  I have never posted before this entry.  I love the dedication you have demonstrated in helping to bring Kyron home to Desiree.  I feel like I am a part of a huge community who has sincere compassion to bring this little boy home.  It makes me sad to see that there is not more movement on this page.  I hope people do not forget.  This sweet little boy who loves frogs, fireflies, and smiles......I have tears in my eyes.  God bless......l


Hi monkeystar! Welcome to the cage!  ::MonkeyCheer4::

We're going to bring Kyron home to Desiree. Thank you so much for your support!  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: melancholygirl on July 15, 2011, 12:47:04 AM
Sassifrass:
I mostly lurk as well as a guest because I will link thru the SM twitter feed.  I rarely post because I don't have much to say or add to the convo. But I have to say that you're one of the reasons I keep coming back.  You always seem to have interesting info.

I pray for Kyron every day.  I'm visiting my family in the Portland area right now so I've been thinking about him a lot.  We were pretty close to where he disappeared the other day and all I could think of was how he could be anywhere out there, it's a huge forested area. It's overwhelming.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 15, 2011, 07:43:01 AM
Sassifrass:
I mostly lurk as well as a guest because I will link thru the SM twitter feed.  I rarely post because I don't have much to say or add to the convo. But I have to say that you're one of the reasons I keep coming back.  You always seem to have interesting info.

I pray for Kyron every day.  I'm visiting my family in the Portland area right now so I've been thinking about him a lot.  We were pretty close to where he disappeared the other day and all I could think of was how he could be anywhere out there, it's a huge forested area. It's overwhelming.



Hi melancholygirl! It's great to have your support! Kyron can use all the help that is possible. Someone made this little boy go *poof* and they need to be held accountable for it. They can't hide forever. Kyron deserves justice.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Kokos Cat on July 15, 2011, 04:45:09 PM
 ::MonkeyCheer4::
Hello Melancholy Girl &  welcome Monkeystar!
 ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 15, 2011, 04:54:19 PM
I wanted to update info on the Gill family from my previous post here:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9426.440 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9426.440)

When you look at the Gill family, they have associates/relatives with the last name being Haugen:



Debbie Gill
(Age 58)

Associated Names:
Debra Ann Gill
David Gill
David Haugen

Portland, OR
La Pine, OR
Beaverton, OR
      

    *
    * Bonnie Anne Gill (Age 47)
    * Chad Jeremy Gill (Age 36)
    * Dera A Gill
    * Gail Gill (Age 46)
    * Paul Jay Gill (Age 48)
    * Charlotte Louise Haugen (Age 67)
    * Harlotte L Haugen
(The name is actually Charlotte)

When you look at the name Haugen:

http://www.peoplefinders.com/search/searchpreview.aspx?searchtype=people-name&fn=david&ln=haugen&mn=&city=&state=OR (http://www.peoplefinders.com/search/searchpreview.aspx?searchtype=people-name&fn=david&ln=haugen&mn=&city=&state=OR)

David Haugen
(Age 58)

Associated Names:
Debra Ann Gill
Debbie Gill
David Gill

Portland, OR
La Pine, OR
Beaverton, OR
      
    * Bonnie Anne Gill (Age 47)
    * Chad Jeremy Gill (Age 36)
    * Dera A Gill
    * Gail Gill (Age 46)
    * Paul Jay Gill (Age 48)
    * Charlotte Louise Haugen (Age 67)
    * Harlotte L Haugen


And ( At the same link):

David B Haugen Note: At that same link, the middle name is actually Parker. See below link.
(Age 40)    

Portland, OR
Arlington, VA
Atlanta, GA
Washington, DC
Apo, AE
Nashville, TN
Fort Knox, KY
Lake Oswego, OR
      

    * Charlotte Louise Haugen (Age 67)
    * Harlotte L Haugen

http://www.veromi.net/Summary.asp?fn=david&mn=parke&ln=haugen&dobmm=&dobdd=&doby=&city=&state=&age=40&vw=&Search=&Input=&x=51&y=17 (http://www.veromi.net/Summary.asp?fn=david&mn=parke&ln=haugen&dobmm=&dobdd=&doby=&city=&state=&age=40&vw=&Search=&Input=&x=51&y=17)

HAUGEN, DAVID PARKER (Age 40)

Associated names:

 HAUGEN, DAVID B
 HAUGEN,  DAVE


____________________________________

I did a search on David Parker Haugen and looky what I found:

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CREC-2003-01-15/html/CREC-2003-01-15-pt2-PgS994-5.htm
 (http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CREC-2003-01-15/html/CREC-2003-01-15-pt2-PgS994-5.htm)
The following-named Members of the Foreign Service of the
     Department of State and Commerce to be Consular Officers and/
     or Secretaries in the Diplomatic Service of the United States

     of America, as indicated:

David Parker Haugen, of Tennessee
_________________________

I didn't know what that meant so I looked it up.

http://www.legal-criminal-justice-schools.com/Criminal-Justice-Careers/consular-officer.html (http://www.legal-criminal-justice-schools.com/Criminal-Justice-Careers/consular-officer.html)


So he works for the Criminal Justice System.  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 15, 2011, 04:55:20 PM
::MonkeyCheer4::
Hello Melancholy Girl &  welcome Monkeystar!
 ::MonkeyKiss::

Hello sweet Koko!  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: labubske on July 15, 2011, 05:46:33 PM
I researched this case extensively back when Kyron first went missing...unfortunately I did this in another forum that has now shut down and all of my research is gone.  Do you think that it would be a bad idea to start the research over without looking at what is here and see if we end up at the same spot...that would be very telling.  Does that make sense?   Or maybe this would cause too much confusion?  Wouldn't want that either.  I just want Kyron home, I just don't believe that he is deceased.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 15, 2011, 06:09:12 PM
I researched this case extensively back when Kyron first went missing...unfortunately I did this in another forum that has now shut down and all of my research is gone.  Do you think that it would be a bad idea to start the research over without looking at what is here and see if we end up at the same spot...that would be very telling.  Does that make sense?   Or maybe this would cause too much confusion?  Wouldn't want that either.  I just want Kyron home, I just don't believe that he is deceased.

I don't think it's a bad idea at all. It's always good to get a new perspective. Do your sleuthing! Everything counts.

Maybe you have some fresh ideas or thoughts.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: labubske on July 15, 2011, 06:25:48 PM
I researched this case extensively back when Kyron first went missing...unfortunately I did this in another forum that has now shut down and all of my research is gone.  Do you think that it would be a bad idea to start the research over without looking at what is here and see if we end up at the same spot...that would be very telling.  Does that make sense?   Or maybe this would cause too much confusion?  Wouldn't want that either.  I just want Kyron home, I just don't believe that he is deceased.

I don't think it's a bad idea at all. It's always good to get a new perspective. Do your sleuthing! Everything counts.

Maybe you have some fresh ideas or thoughts.

Okay, absolutely.  I will start posting after dinner.  If you see something that you have absolutely found to not be true or really don't think is possible just let me know...if you don't mind. I'm just going to restart from the beginning even with the theories that I didn't particularly buy just for the information. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 15, 2011, 06:56:38 PM
I researched this case extensively back when Kyron first went missing...unfortunately I did this in another forum that has now shut down and all of my research is gone.  Do you think that it would be a bad idea to start the research over without looking at what is here and see if we end up at the same spot...that would be very telling.  Does that make sense?   Or maybe this would cause too much confusion?  Wouldn't want that either.  I just want Kyron home, I just don't believe that he is deceased.

I don't think it's a bad idea at all. It's always good to get a new perspective. Do your sleuthing! Everything counts.

Maybe you have some fresh ideas or thoughts.

Okay, absolutely.  I will start posting after dinner.  If you see something that you have absolutely found to not be true or really don't think is possible just let me know...if you don't mind. I'm just going to restart from the beginning even with the theories that I didn't particularly buy just for the information. 

What ever you can throw out there would be great. I'll let you know, and I'm sure other Monkey's will also, if it was something that was either covered or debunked. It's possible we can expand on some things.

Thank you so much for your help. It's very possible we missed some things from early on.

Again, thank you.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: klaasend on July 15, 2011, 09:15:26 PM
After all this time I think we need to post whatever we have.

Sass - I know you have been working tirelessly on this case.  You have my approval to post some of the information you have received via email from various sources without revealing those sources.  We need to do everything we can to find Kyron. 


My only request is don't post any ones personal information.
 



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 15, 2011, 10:16:11 PM
After all this time I think we need to post whatever we have.

Sass - I know you have been working tirelessly on this case.  You have my approval to post some of the information you have received via email from various sources without revealing those sources.  We need to do everything we can to find Kyron. 


My only request is don't post any ones personal information.
 



Thanks Klaas. I want to make sure I have this worded correctly, leaving out, of course, the source. This may help us understand what Kyron was going through, so to speak.

I'll post tomorrow so that I can make sure the post is with empathy and yet factual.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: labubske on July 15, 2011, 10:45:24 PM
Starting from the beginning is taking longer than I thought...I do have the basic timeline down again...going through that left me with some questions which I have not found a confirmation for as of tonight...I will keep looking.  If anyone knows the answers to any of these questions please let me know because I have been away from this case for a bit.  Thanks in advance.

Questions:
Was their a clear picture of the truck soon after the kidnapping was announced?  If so, was it dirty or muddy or too clean?  If she went off road with the truck and being that it was raining a lot during that time it should have been either muddy or just cleaned...why else would she need the truck versus the car?  Except to fit extra people in it I suppose.

Was it ever confirmed where Kyron's backpack and jacket was that day?  That was the FIRST thing that caught my eyes that day...him being counted absent if his backpack and jacket were on the desk.

Did Tanner Pumala lie?  Or is he known to fabricate things...some kids are.  Or was he told to lie?

I know of the report of seeing Terri (possibly) on Hwy 30 but wasn't there another report of the white truck and gun shots?  I will go and find that tomorrow.

Was it confirmed that there was a play or something later in the day that Kyron was to attend? 

I recall having a picture that I had retrieved from google maps street view of a red car and a truck parked along side a certain (mentioned before) road...I do not have access to that now so I will have to go and find that again...not sure if it meant anything but would like to see that again.

I recall looking into Sanchez's and Durham so I will have to look at that again...I did not keep a lick of notes...put it all into the forum and trashed what I had. 

I recall a particular club that a lot of people were a part of, maybe not a club but a mental health type meeting place...cannot recall at the time...anyone remember the name? Was it a club with numbers?

Anyhow, I will post what I found in the past...once I gather it all up again...if anyone knows answers to anything that I have asked...feel free to respond. 



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: monchichi on July 16, 2011, 12:01:57 AM
After all this time I think we need to post whatever we have.

Sass - I know you have been working tirelessly on this case.  You have my approval to post some of the information you have received via email from various sources without revealing those sources.  We need to do everything we can to find Kyron. 


My only request is don't post any ones personal information.
 



Wouldn't it be great to get this thread really moving again?  I'm afraid I don't have anything to offer, but I am interested in what Sassi has.  This lifted my spirits a little!

 ::FlyingFrog::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: labubske on July 16, 2011, 12:04:18 AM
Starting from the beginning is taking longer than I thought...I do have the basic timeline down again...going through that left me with some questions which I have not found a confirmation for as of tonight...I will keep looking.  If anyone knows the answers to any of these questions please let me know because I have been away from this case for a bit.  Thanks in advance.

Questions:
Was there a clear picture of the truck soon after the kidnapping was announced?  If so, was it dirty or muddy or too clean?  If she went off road with the truck and being that it was raining a lot during that time it should have been either muddy or just cleaned...why else would she need the truck versus the car?  Except to fit extra people in it I suppose.

Was it ever confirmed where Kyron's backpack and jacket was that day?  That was the FIRST thing that caught my eyes that day...him being counted absent if his backpack and jacket were on the desk.

Did Tanner Pumala lie?  Or is he known to fabricate things...some kids are.  Or was he told to lie?

I know of the report of seeing Terri (possibly) on Hwy 30 but wasn't there another report of the white truck and gun shots?  I will go and find that tomorrow.

Was it confirmed that there was a play or something later in the day that Kyron was to attend? 

I recall having a picture that I had retrieved from google maps street view of a red car and a truck parked along side a certain (mentioned before) road...I do not have access to that now so I will have to go and find that again...not sure if it meant anything but would like to see that again.

I recall looking into Sanchez's and Durham so I will have to look at that again...I did not keep a lick of notes...put it all into the forum and trashed what I had. 

I recall a particular club that a lot of people were a part of, maybe not a club but a mental health type meeting place...cannot recall at the time...anyone remember the name? Was it a club with numbers?

Anyhow, I will post what I found in the past...once I gather it all up again...if anyone knows answers to anything that I have asked...feel free to respond. 


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Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on July 16, 2011, 12:08:11 AM
After all this time I think we need to post whatever we have.

Sass - I know you have been working tirelessly on this case.  You have my approval to post some of the information you have received via email from various sources without revealing those sources.  We need to do everything we can to find Kyron. 


My only request is don't post any ones personal information.
 



Wouldn't it be great to get this thread really moving again?  I'm afraid I don't have anything to offer, but I am interested in what Sassi has.  This lifted my spirits a little!

 ::FlyingFrog::

ITA I haven't had anything to offer but I keep a close eye on this thread and in the news.   I'm interested in what Sassi has too.   ::FlyingFrog::



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 16, 2011, 12:30:12 AM
Starting from the beginning is taking longer than I thought...I do have the basic timeline down again...going through that left me with some questions which I have not found a confirmation for as of tonight...I will keep looking.  If anyone knows the answers to any of these questions please let me know because I have been away from this case for a bit.  Thanks in advance.

Questions:
Was their a clear picture of the truck soon after the kidnapping was announced? There is no definite answer to that. If so, was it dirty or muddy or too clean? I don't think anyone knows the answer to that. If she went off road with the truck and being that it was raining a lot during that time it should have been either muddy or just cleaned...why else would she need the truck versus the car? You're assuming that Terri had Kyron in her truck. We don't know the answer to that.  Except to fit extra people in it I suppose.

Was it ever confirmed where Kyron's backpack and jacket was that day? Yes, his backpack and coat were sent home with Kaine.  That was the FIRST thing that caught my eyes that day...him being counted absent if his backpack and jacket were on the desk.

Did Tanner Pumala lie?  Or is he known to fabricate things...some kids are.  Or was he told to lie? IMO, Tanner told what he thought was true. Kids have a way of speaking the truth. It's when they get older they learn to, well let's just say, stretch the truth. In this case, I believe that HE believes what he said.

I know of the report of seeing Terri (possibly) on Hwy 30 but wasn't there another report of the white truck and gun shots? That report was way down south. I will go and find that tomorrow.

Was it confirmed that there was a play or something later in the day that Kyron was to attend? That was never confirmed.

I recall having a picture that I had retrieved from google maps street view of a red car and a truck parked along side a certain (mentioned before) road...I do not have access to that now so I will have to go and find that again...not sure if it meant anything but would like to see that again. I don't think I have ever seen this, but I would like to see the pic you are referencing.

I recall looking into Sanchez's and Durham so I will have to look at that again...I did not keep a lick of notes...put it all into the forum and trashed what I had. 

I recall a particular club that a lot of people were a part of, maybe not a club but a mental health type meeting place...cannot recall at the time...anyone remember the name? Was it a club with numbers? Are you talking about Bottom's up tavern? If not that I would be interested in fonding out what club you are talking about.

Anyhow, I will post what I found in the past...once I gather it all up again...if anyone knows answers to anything that I have asked...feel free to respond. 



I'll answer these questions and give insight to the best of my ability. I think the best way for me to do that is to go into your box. I'll Bold my answers.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: melisb on July 16, 2011, 08:27:06 AM
OOOhh Sassi and Labubske I do have an answer for once!  The question below:

Was it confirmed that there was a play or something later in the day that Kyron was to attend? That was never confirmed.
++++++++++++
He was to be in the school talent show around 1-1:30pm the same day as Science Fair. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: labubske on July 16, 2011, 09:34:09 AM
Thanks those answers help a lot...I have never been trying to think in one direction just wanted to ask those questions because of a particular direction.  If that makes any sense.  Ha.  I am up now and will start looking for those pictures again...I saved them on my old laptop and it was ruined...:(


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Titch on July 16, 2011, 04:21:38 PM
Sass ~

Hello sweetie. ((( hugs )))

Ok, where would you like me to start. I'm in. I stepped away bc I couldn't take it anymore, how does a child go missing from a packed school & nobody takes notice? It's not possible, simply not. I'm certain there are others here & elsewhere that are just like me - concentrated on one of the immediate family. I'm still inclined to think everything points to the stepmom but I like thinking outside the box.

You've done a tremendous amount of work. You deserve a merit award for such good advocating effort, seriously.

Tell me where to start. I'll help with anything. Desiree's pain truly breaks my heart. I see the same pain in Kaine's eyes.

Let it be known here & now, though, that I truly think Portland's justice system is tainted. It's my gut & it ain't changing. I did extensive research on Tony Young last summer & he's the real deal...so I'm scratching him off my short list along with Desiree & Kaine.

I appreciate that you dug into new possibilities. I am with you: I personally don't think Sanchez is responsible, but I'm with Blink in thinking he could be the key, reven if it's unbeknownst to him. Gill - pretty interesting info. The people with license to aircraft is really good info. Oregon & Washington are HUGae child trafficking states! Everybody with a private plane within a 100 mile radius to Skyline Elementary should have been checked out extensively, right along with the sex offenders.

Tell me where to begin. I have to set up a new firewall & anti virus software on my bedroom computer, and then I can did right in. I'm on my cell & can do slot on it, but I'm limited on some sites. I won't use either of my son's computers bc when I was investigating some bad stuff in Caylee's case, I opened a virus & it attacked the whole harddrive - we had to change bank accounts & everything. In Kyron's case, I had researched swinging clubs & had alot of stuff saved on that computer. Terri, from what I found, was involved. If I can find it again, & it was tricky the last time, I'll email it to Klaas bc she doesn't want those things on here. That way she can figure out how to add it if it's even important.

I'd like to look in a different direction than Terri, though. I think it's odd that she's never reported on as seen in public or anything. Either it's bc of a guilty conscience or it's bc she's persecuted to the 'nth' degree. So far she hasn't cracked, so time to tackle it from a different direction. If it leads us back to her, then so be it...at least we'd be doing something.
 ::MonkeyAngel::
I took a break, went to Hailey Dunn, then to Caylee's threads. I'll share my time here & Caylee's thread when I have time to be online. Just like you, I love the monkeys & believe we all can make a difference.

Hey Sass, just know that we heart you & appreciate all the hard work you've put in here.

Love, Titch




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 16, 2011, 04:26:28 PM
I think it's very important to know who Kyron was. We hear or read things and make assumptions based on that. 

According to a very credible source, this is information sent to me, and verified by Klaas.

Kyron was very quiet and often was required to have questions repeated to him several times before he could answer them, at times seeming lost in thought or distracted.

Kyron, being a very quiet child,  made him stand out a bit from his peers.His teacher, Ms. Porter, asked for  any suggestions from this source, who had interaction with Kyron, on how to help him, and to share them with her. He  rarely offered to answer questions and often had to be redirected by Ms. Porter to pay attention.
__________________________________

FWIW, after I read this, and this is only portions of the email, the first thing I thought of was Terri's analysis and comments of Kyron "spacing out", walking into a room and walking out. Looking lost. IMO, I think she was honest in that description of him. Perhaps, even concerned.

I'm wondering about the validity of him (Kyron) , based on the above information from the source, whether Kyron was acting out in class. Not one mention of that happening. Not one. He was a very quiet child, noticeably quiet.

Things are just not adding up to me, nor making sense. I do not question Desiree's statements because a lot of that probably came from Kaine. I do have to question some of the public, after the fact, sharing by others, regarding Kyron, and what was happening in the Horman household prior to Kyron going missing.

From the very beginning this case has been strange, and pieces are not fitting, even though they should. Blame is being thrown around in public and on the internet from every one involved, and every poster, blogger, and friend or relative that just happens to know someone within the family. The truth is, we don't know WHO is responsible for Kyron going poof, and what we thought we knew, may not be accurate.

It's been over a year and perhaps the roads that we've been traveling down are the wrong roads. Perhaps, some of them have been the right roads, but when we got to the fork in the road, we should have turned left instead of right. I know that sounds cryptic, but it's the best way to describe the sleuthing and searching that has been going on since Kyron disappeared. This little boy deserves honest answers from everyone to bring him home to Desiree. He deserves to be found, and he deserves to have everyone who is trying to find him, look in every hole, and every backyard, until he comes home. He deserves justice.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 16, 2011, 04:42:48 PM
titch: I'm so sorry I logged off before reading you post. I've been sick in bed, and wanted to make sure I made a post.

I agree with not focusing on Terri. Not because I think she is innocent of partaking in Kyron's disappearance, but because it doesn't allow you to go outside that realm of thinking. I also, am not convinced that Rudy had any part in this.

Need to go back to bed, but I wanted to say that I would LOVE to have your help. You have always been a great sleuther and great at finding info. I have, now, over 270 emails that I need to sort through from various sources, and people wanting to help. So I need to organize them.

Great to have you back my friend!  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Titch on July 16, 2011, 05:20:35 PM
titch: I'm so sorry I logged off before reading you post. I've been sick in bed, and wanted to make sure I made a post.

I agree with not focusing on Terri. Not because I think she is innocent of partaking in Kyron's disappearance, but because it doesn't allow you to go outside that realm of thinking. I also, am not convinced that Rudy had any part in this.

Need to go back to bed, but I wanted to say that I would LOVE to have your help. You have always been a great sleuther and great at finding info. I have, now, over 270 emails that I need to sort through from various sources, and people wanting to help. So I need to organize them.

Great to have you back my friend!  ::MonkeyAngel::

Wow, thank you, I feel the same about you.

3 things I'd like to add to my last post, though.

A) When I mentioned Sanchez, I wasn't referring to him being involved in Ky's disappearance. I think he's the turning point, though, the key. I promise not to concentrate too deeply there, though. I just think somebody was linked to him whether it was through landscaping or marriage. I think he has some questionable links.

B) I REALLY believe there was questionable bed partner swapping going on, with both TH & KH. I found some links to Terri last summer that made it obvious to me, but I couldn't validate the online rumors about Kaine. I firmly believe Terri cheated on Kaine. I do believe they had a very dysfunctional marriage. From what I've found, he berated her, like he kept her in her 'place' so to speak. From info online, it became obvious KH had a temper with her, was controlling, and articulate with things having to be a certain way. With swinging on top of an already dysfunctional marriage, who knows who those kids were exposed to. Kyron & James were caught in the middle of utter dysfunction. Kiara didn't know the difference.

Something for people to think about,  which is something that made me think: Why can Terri see James but she has no visitation with Kiara if the authorities are sure she's involved in Kyron's disappearance? My eyes are on her, too, but I'm gonna try to think outside the box this time around. I'm not pointing the finger at Kaine, not at all, but their marriage was very far from perfect. When KH said that he had no idea TH felt this way, that he knew they had problems before but they worked them out...well I'm saying that's a crock of shit. No they didn't. Their marriage was the epitomy of dysfunction & unhappiness.

C) Why isn't the school being held responsible? Why no charges? Why do certain people still have certain jobs? The whole Portland Public School System is very shady. There were some pretty crooked things done in the past. There were various teachers & helpers that were involved in some yucky stuff. Why was their BOE using contracting companies to do various work throughout their entire school system, when some of these companies use people that don't even have legitimate work visas?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Titch on July 16, 2011, 05:55:37 PM
I want to add something...

I want to look into all Masonic Lodges involved with the Horman family.

I'll say that my maternal gpop was a Mason & was a very good person, but Masons are like your truest frat brothers. They'd die for their brother. They are tight with all aspects of upper eschelin organizations including government officials, fire & rescue, plus education. There are some that are just like some churches that we hear about that are involved in very secret activities. I am not a conspiracy theorist. This is fact. My gpop was bc his father was, and so on. There was no bad stuff that I've seen in which my gpop would have been involved. I do hear, however, that there are several that are used for child trading & sexual initiations among members. Some organizations practice 'swapping'. I'm not saying this happened, just putting it out there bc you just never know what we could all find that's out there. Be prepared.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 16, 2011, 06:26:17 PM
I want to add something...

I want to look into all Masonic Lodges involved with the Horman family.

I'll say that my maternal gpop was a Mason & was a very good person, but Masons are like your truest frat brothers. They'd die for their brother. They are tight with all aspects of upper eschelin organizations including government officials, fire & rescue, plus education. There are some that are just like some churches that we hear about that are involved in very secret activities. I am not a conspiracy theorist. This is fact. My gpop was bc his father was, and so on. There was no bad stuff that I've seen in which my gpop would have been involved. I do hear, however, that there are several that are used for child trading & sexual initiations among members. Some organizations practice 'swapping'. I'm not saying this happened, just putting it out there bc you just never know what we could all find that's out there. Be prepared.

I would love for you to delve in this area. I started doing some research, and of course, got distracted. What ever you can find.

As far as I'm concerned, with the exception of Desiree and Tony, NOBODY is unsleuthable (is that a word?).

After every thing that I've seen and read through interaction via email, and not posted about, there is a definite potential that Kyron may be alive. As long as that possibility exists or even if it doesn't exist, we need to find him and the person(s) that is responsible.

Is there any chance that you can find any info on David Owen Gill? Like previous employment, etc. He and his son(?) are off the grid. I can't find any electronic footprint on him.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Titch on July 16, 2011, 06:49:36 PM
Omg. I decided to start at the beginning of this thread and already I have a headache.

I will be the first person to come out & say that I think Terri is responsible, ok ...but but but... I don't understand how it would be a problem for Terri to make a doctor's appt for Ky. She would not need anyone's permission. She raised Kyron with Kaine. Desiree is a wonderful mother that loves her son but Terri was married to Kaine and did everything for Kyron. Again, my hinky is on for Terri, but it is a fact all over our entire country that just bc Terri is "just a stepmom" it doesn't mean she can't take the kid to the doctor. Kyron lived with Kaine & Terri! She wasn't just a girlfriend for crying out loud. Her name, I'm sure, is on an emergency contact list at school as well as the doctor. Desiree & Kaine would be listed as parents that have 2 different addresses. Kyron spent alot of time with Terri. For all we know, she was probably the one that took him for his shots & physicals, sick visits, oh yeah and to the eye doctor too to get glasses. Just bc somebody is a step-parent doesn't mean they haven't the right to care for a child that lives with them, who they cook for, who they wash for, who they help do their homework, who they volunteer to help in classes & film plays & musicals...omg!

Terri was there all the time, more than anybody. I believe Kyron should have been with his mother, he was happiest with Desiree & Tony from everything I found. He loved his father dearly, as well, but there was alot of telling & screaming going on at his home.

I still think it boils to Terri not being able to take it anymore, that she felt she had all the responsibility, that she had to beg for spending money, that she spent alot of time on the computer on social networking sites & online games bc she was thoroughly unhappy & dissatisfied with herself for staying in yet another marriage that was failing. I think Kaine was manipulative & controlling but he didn't know any other way to be bc he felt like his hands were tied being the only bread winner. I feel as though there was a tug of war going on with regards to authority. Maybe Terri was pissed that her son moved out but Kaine could "keep" his son living there. Maybe Kitty was sick with an ear infection so she kept everybody up at night. Maybe the arguing & fighting between Terri & Jaine also kept the kids up.

Maybe, just maybe, that's why Kaine insisted he didn't notice anything wrong with Kyron. Maybe it's bc deep down he felt guilty & brushed it off. Lack of sleep & tons of stress can cause seizures. Seizures can come in the form of staring spells. ADHD is a sign and could be linked to seizures during sleep, after REM but before the 3rd stage which is when dreams occur, the focal area with memory.

Side note - My husband is my 2 oldest boys' stepfather. They are on his insurance & everything. My ex is one of my best friends. Our families are very close & share holidays together, not seperate. I know not everybody can relate to that but we all feel blessed in my family to rise above the stupid statistics. My boys call my husband Dad & their father Daddy. I could care less. My husband has the same rights as myself & my ex. My hubby takes them for physicals if they feel uncomfortable with me there, has been to the emergency room for stitches, broken legs, arm, clavicle, ankle...list goes on...but he's there just as much as myself or my ex! He's also coached everything my boys have been involved with, most of the time he dies signups without me even being present! So yeah, that's it in a nutshell.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Titch on July 16, 2011, 06:55:45 PM
I'm sorry for all the typos. It's hard typing when you're irritated.

People have put so much time into the search for Kyron. If somebody doesn't like what we monkeys do, then that's their problem.

This is one of those times when an ignore button would come handy. Ugggh!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Titch on July 16, 2011, 07:00:43 PM
I want to add something...

I want to look into all Masonic Lodges involved with the Horman family.

I'll say that my maternal gpop was a Mason & was a very good person, but Masons are like your truest frat brothers. They'd die for their brother. They are tight with all aspects of upper eschelin organizations including government officials, fire & rescue, plus education. There are some that are just like some churches that we hear about that are involved in very secret activities. I am not a conspiracy theorist. This is fact. My gpop was bc his father was, and so on. There was no bad stuff that I've seen in which my gpop would have been involved. I do hear, however, that there are several that are used for child trading & sexual initiations among members. Some organizations practice 'swapping'. I'm not saying this happened, just putting it out there bc you just never know what we could all find that's out there. Be prepared.

I would love for you to delve in this area. I started doing some research, and of course, got distracted. What ever you can find.

As far as I'm concerned, with the exception of Desiree and Tony, NOBODY is unsleuthable (is that a word?).

After every thing that I've seen and read through interaction via email, and not posted about, there is a definite potential that Kyron may be alive. As long as that possibility exists or even if it doesn't exist, we need to find him and the person(s) that is responsible.

Is there any chance that you can find any info on David Owen Gill? Like previous employment, etc. He and his son(?) are off the grid. I can't find any electronic footprint on him.

I'll do my best, but I think part of his name went through a change...maybe. If you have his past addresses, could you please post them?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 16, 2011, 07:16:26 PM
titch: per my post here: http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9426.440 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9426.440) They have a total of 4 addresses.

GILL,DAVID O
GILL,DEBRA A
7010 NW SKYLINE BLVD
PORTLAND  OR  97229

17639 COSSET LOOP  LA PINE 97739

GILL,DAVID OWEN
GILL,DEBRA ANN
PO BOX 83403
PORTLAND  OR  97283

52752 KELVEL CT  LA PINE 97739 ( a 419 sq ft cabin)

No known other addresses that I can find.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 16, 2011, 07:28:41 PM
Omg. I decided to start at the beginning of this thread and already I have a headache.

I will be the first person to come out & say that I think Terri is responsible, ok ...but but but... I don't understand how it would be a problem for Terri to make a doctor's appt for Ky. She would not need anyone's permission. She raised Kyron with Kaine. Desiree is a wonderful mother that loves her son but Terri was married to Kaine and did everything for Kyron. Again, my hinky is on for Terri, but it is a fact all over our entire country that just bc Terri is "just a stepmom" it doesn't mean she can't take the kid to the doctor. Kyron lived with Kaine & Terri! She wasn't just a girlfriend for crying out loud. Her name, I'm sure, is on an emergency contact list at school as well as the doctor. Desiree & Kaine would be listed as parents that have 2 different addresses. Kyron spent alot of time with Terri. For all we know, she was probably the one that took him for his shots & physicals, sick visits, oh yeah and to the eye doctor too to get glasses. Just bc somebody is a step-parent doesn't mean they haven't the right to care for a child that lives with them, who they cook for, who they wash for, who they help do their homework, who they volunteer to help in classes & film plays & musicals...omg!

Terri was there all the time, more than anybody. I believe Kyron should have been with his mother, he was happiest with Desiree & Tony from everything I found. He loved his father dearly, as well, but there was alot of telling & screaming going on at his home.

I still think it boils to Terri not being able to take it anymore, that she felt she had all the responsibility, that she had to beg for spending money, that she spent alot of time on the computer on social networking sites & online games bc she was thoroughly unhappy & dissatisfied with herself for staying in yet another marriage that was failing. I think Kaine was manipulative & controlling but he didn't know any other way to be bc he felt like his hands were tied being the only bread winner. I feel as though there was a tug of war going on with regards to authority. Maybe Terri was pissed that her son moved out but Kaine could "keep" his son living there. Maybe Kitty was sick with an ear infection so she kept everybody up at night. Maybe the arguing & fighting between Terri & Jaine also kept the kids up.

Maybe, just maybe, that's why Kaine insisted he didn't notice anything wrong with Kyron. Maybe it's bc deep down he felt guilty & brushed it off. Lack of sleep & tons of stress can cause seizures. Seizures can come in the form of staring spells. ADHD is a sign and could be linked to seizures during sleep, after REM but before the 3rd stage which is when dreams occur, the focal area with memory.

Side note - My husband is my 2 oldest boys' stepfather. They are on his insurance & everything. My ex is one of my best friends. Our families are very close & share holidays together, not seperate. I know not everybody can relate to that but we all feel blessed in my family to rise above the stupid statistics. My boys call my husband Dad & their father Daddy. I could care less. My husband has the same rights as myself & my ex. My hubby takes them for physicals if they feel uncomfortable with me there, has been to the emergency room for stitches, broken legs, arm, clavicle, ankle...list goes on...but he's there just as much as myself or my ex! He's also coached everything my boys have been involved with, most of the time he dies signups without me even being present! So yeah, that's it in a nutshell.

BBM

See, I don't agree with this. The only reason she is on the radar publicly is because of what has been told by family members, oh, and the MFH plot, which she hasn't been prosecuted for. Why is that? We don't know if she is responsible. To assume that just because someone said she did it, would be an injustice, IMO.

I personally don't trust what LE has produced so far. I think they should be investigating themselves. They have done a poor piss job and have allowed politics to become involved in this case.

I think things are being covered up in this case, and who would have the capacity to do that?



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 16, 2011, 07:47:06 PM
Whom ever took Kyron out of that school knew what they were doing. They are intelligent enough to leave no evidence behind.

Hell, the FBI, according to a source, didn't even know all of the information that was sent to MCSO. PPS is trying to cover their ass and half true's are flowing out there.

I think there is more about this case then what people realize.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Titch on July 16, 2011, 08:02:15 PM
Sassifrass, you're right there. The only reason I keep Terri on the radar is bc of stuff uncovered last summer.

She appeared to be mixed into certain questionable things. I know about the 911 call referencing Sanchez and when the mfh plot came to light. It was on the police scanner on an insecure channel. I know about the emails that were sent in which Terri had contempt for Kyron. There was sooo much dysfunction in that house.

I have different questions now, especially since I've been gone from this thread for some time now. I'm only one person with an idea, so it doesn't mean I'm right or wrong, please let that be known. Anyway, here's my question: Have we the public been manipulated bc somebody wanted out of a failing marriage so only certain things were leaked to the media? Was there really a true mfh plot or could Rudy have been hired to just implicate that? Did he take & pass a poly? If Rudy was really being truthful, could Terri have only been facetious when she would have said it, ie maybe Kaine was being a tightwad so she said to a secretly hired groundsman man I wish he'd just die already.

I mean, it's not good to joke like that but how many of us are guilty of saying omg I could just wring your neck or I could strangle you then laugh about it bc we were only joking. I have an extremely sarcastic family, my gosh the things that come out of our mouths! I'm Italian & Indian with a tad of Irish. My hubby is polish with a couple other things. Trust me, he'll never win an argument unless I let him lmao! My boys are just like us, jokesters & pranksters! We're quick with our wit.

So I'm putting it out there, could Terri have been joking, if she even said it at all to Rudy? Could Rudy have gone to the cops innocently bc Kyron was missing, it became a high profile case, and he just wanted to do the right thing? could he have actually been hired to suggest this mfh plot to the cops? Could everything have just been all innocent but Kaine used it to his advantage bc he actually wanted put of his marriage but he didn't want to give up half of everything?

Or could it be somebody else altogether that's responsible for Ky's disappearance but we've all been breathing all this smoke that our brains aren't thinking clearly from lack of oxygen?

One thing I thought of since I came back here 2 hours ago, and keep in mind I was all anti Terri - Well why was the public brought into their entire divorce? Why not just do separation papers instead for the time being? As disgusting as I think it is to cheat & sext when you're married, I'm wondering if it really didn't matter & was beside the point bc there was swinging involved anyway. If both were involved in swinging, why was only one made to look bad due to sexting? Afaik, she was the dumb one gor putting it in photo. What if somebody did the same cheating but didn't text or take naked pics then send them to a lover? Maybe that person was just smarter about it. But that person used Terri's mistake to his greatest advantage.

I believe others should be looked at.

I'm looking into Gill like Sassi suggested but some of the Hormans are questionable to say the least.

Desiree & Tony are amazing people, not a single doubt in my mind.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Titch on July 16, 2011, 08:05:22 PM
Whom ever took Kyron out of that school knew what they were doing. They are intelligent enough to leave no evidence behind.

Hell, the FBI, according to a source, didn't even know all of the information that was sent to MCSO. PPS is trying to cover their ass and half true's are flowing out there.

I think there is more about this case then what people realize.

Me too. Plus PPS is bad news. Literally. There's fraud & bad things, illegal things that were associated with them. People held positions that weren't even qualified. Certain contractors brought in even if another company was more reputable & cheaper. The police are sketchy. Mayor is a fricken joke. Something's up for sure.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Titch on July 16, 2011, 08:06:28 PM
Unsecure not insecure.

Typing on an iPhone is tricky sometimes!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Titch on July 16, 2011, 08:31:11 PM
Kyron, where are you sweetie? Help us find you.
Please dear God, watch over this little innocent boy.
Send us a sign. Help us find him.


(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/missing18.png)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 16, 2011, 09:19:33 PM
Kyron, where are you sweetie? Help us find you.
Please dear God, watch over this little innocent boy.
Send us a sign. Help us find him.


(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/missing18.png)

Amen to that!  ::MonkeyAngel::

O/T: mchenry: Glad to see you again up there in the rafters. I've always appreciated and respected your thoughts.  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 16, 2011, 09:59:19 PM
Each thread is 50 pages. I pray to God that kyron is found before this thread goes to another one.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on July 16, 2011, 11:21:37 PM
Each thread is 50 pages. I pray to God that kyron is found before this thread goes to another one.

It's interesting that you say that sassi, because each time I change a thread, I think about the missing person and wonder and hope that perhaps they will be found before the next thread change. I hope Kyron can be found soon.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on July 17, 2011, 02:46:23 PM
Sass this is just my opinion, from that description of Kyron he sounds as if he has a form of Autism. I have said this before and was shut down, but it sounds like it to me. A very mild case of autism or Aspergers can be very difficult to pin point and diagnose. It is also something very usual to find parents in denial about. Kids with mild autism/high functioning autism/aspergers are sometimes not even diagnosed until age 7 or 8. 1 out of 110 children have it, perhaps Kyron does.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: islandmonkey on July 17, 2011, 05:51:42 PM
Omg. I decided to start at the beginning of this thread and already I have a headache.

I will be the first person to come out & say that I think Terri is responsible, ok ...but but but... I don't understand how it would be a problem for Terri to make a doctor's appt for Ky. She would not need anyone's permission. She raised Kyron with Kaine. Desiree is a wonderful mother that loves her son but Terri was married to Kaine and did everything for Kyron. Again, my hinky is on for Terri, but it is a fact all over our entire country that just bc Terri is "just a stepmom" it doesn't mean she can't take the kid to the doctor. Kyron lived with Kaine & Terri! She wasn't just a girlfriend for crying out loud. Her name, I'm sure, is on an emergency contact list at school as well as the doctor. Desiree & Kaine would be listed as parents that have 2 different addresses. Kyron spent alot of time with Terri. For all we know, she was probably the one that took him for his shots & physicals, sick visits, oh yeah and to the eye doctor too to get glasses. Just bc somebody is a step-parent doesn't mean they haven't the right to care for a child that lives with them, who they cook for, who they wash for, who they help do their homework, who they volunteer to help in classes & film plays & musicals...omg!

Terri was there all the time, more than anybody. I believe Kyron should have been with his mother, he was happiest with Desiree & Tony from everything I found. He loved his father dearly, as well, but there was alot of telling & screaming going on at his home.

I still think it boils to Terri not being able to take it anymore, that she felt she had all the responsibility, that she had to beg for spending money, that she spent alot of time on the computer on social networking sites & online games bc she was thoroughly unhappy & dissatisfied with herself for staying in yet another marriage that was failing. I think Kaine was manipulative & controlling but he didn't know any other way to be bc he felt like his hands were tied being the only bread winner. I feel as though there was a tug of war going on with regards to authority. Maybe Terri was pissed that her son moved out but Kaine could "keep" his son living there. Maybe Kitty was sick with an ear infection so she kept everybody up at night. Maybe the arguing & fighting between Terri & Jaine also kept the kids up.

Maybe, just maybe, that's why Kaine insisted he didn't notice anything wrong with Kyron. Maybe it's bc deep down he felt guilty & brushed it off. Lack of sleep & tons of stress can cause seizures. Seizures can come in the form of staring spells. ADHD is a sign and could be linked to seizures during sleep, after REM but before the 3rd stage which is when dreams occur, the focal area with memory.

Side note - My husband is my 2 oldest boys' stepfather. They are on his insurance & everything. My ex is one of my best friends. Our families are very close & share holidays together, not seperate. I know not everybody can relate to that but we all feel blessed in my family to rise above the stupid statistics. My boys call my husband Dad & their father Daddy. I could care less. My husband has the same rights as myself & my ex. My hubby takes them for physicals if they feel uncomfortable with me there, has been to the emergency room for stitches, broken legs, arm, clavicle, ankle...list goes on...but he's there just as much as myself or my ex! He's also coached everything my boys have been involved with, most of the time he dies signups without me even being present! So yeah, that's it in a nutshell.

BBM

See, I don't agree with this. The only reason she is on the radar publicly is because of what has been told by family members, oh, and the MFH plot, which she hasn't been prosecuted for. Why is that? We don't know if she is responsible. To assume that just because someone said she did it, would be an injustice, IMO.

I personally don't trust what LE has produced so far. I think they should be investigating themselves. They have done a poor piss job and have allowed politics to become involved in this case.

I think things are being covered up in this case, and who would have the capacity to do that?



::rhino:: ::rhino::  Sassi and Titch ~you just nailed EVERY intuition I felt wrt Kyron and what went on behind closed doors in the last few post you both made....I never had any facts but had that gut feeling you can't shake. I quit posting for a few reasons, one was time --I could not devote the time and effort you and so many others have due to my responsibilities of work/kids, and secondly WHEN I would post info about Desiree only knowing info about the home via Kaine and how that can be skewed a "certain" few would come out from nowhere and attack anyone who pointed this out. My oldest 2 children (stepkids) had disassociative disorder when I met them and they would stare into space and blank out as I called it, they were very very easily distracted and it concerned me enough to take them to a psychologist once they were cleared from any medical issues (yes, I took them to those appt's too). I knew the came from a tumultous marriage where their dad was the control freak, and their mom tried her best but was no match for his manipulative ways......in fact he got custody when every psychologist including the court appt GAL stated the kids should have stayed with the mother, but then again many times it's more about who can shell out the most cash that which parent is truly the best guardian, so over 300,000 later he won. I am almost 100% certain I know why they were disassociative after other facts came to life thru my son (with their dad).

I think Terri probably did notice this and Kaine may not have wanted to, many parents my ex included refuse to believe anything is ever wrong and are in massive denial, I feel this was the case here. I also think Kaine was the controlling one maybe to the point of extreme in the dysfunction from stmt he made, I also did not like when he would come out after Desiree was devastated from learning certain issues, specifically about Terri drinking all the time, leaving Kiara up at really late hrs while she was passed out on the couch, he had to know considering the DUI yrs before of he was in mass denial, or he lied.....I don't know which explanation at this point but I do feel he should have let Ky live with Desiree and Tony when he would get so upset that Terri had to call Desiree and have her talk to him to calm him down. Again, I am not saying Kaine was doing what my ex did, but my ex would never agree to that even if it was best for the kids because it meant giving up control. More than anything my heart breaks for Ky and specifically Desiree more than anyone because she never had the full picture of the reality in her baby's home, if she had I have not a doubt in my mind that she would have forced the issue in court.
Great points about the MFH plot and lack of prosecution and also the LE in the area. Again JMO and waiting for HK to come out an attack at any moment ::MonkeyBike::



Thanks again for really digging into this and not letting go... ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 17, 2011, 06:49:23 PM
Sass this is just my opinion, from that description of Kyron he sounds as if he has a form of Autism. I have said this before and was shut down, but it sounds like it to me. A very mild case of autism or Aspergers can be very difficult to pin point and diagnose. It is also something very usual to find parents in denial about. Kids with mild autism/high functioning autism/aspergers are sometimes not even diagnosed until age 7 or 8. 1 out of 110 children have it, perhaps Kyron does.



Tracygirl: Since Klaas gave the go ahead to post what ever we have, I want to comment on your post.

You mentioned Autism. Now I'm not saying Kyron was diagnosed with anything because that didn't happen. The "source" that I was talking with, specializes in Autism. That does NOT mean that they thought he may be suspect to having that.My first impression was ADD, but neither of us are clinical therapist'.

They spent, withing the time span of a few weeks before he went missing, not enough time that they could even come close to diagnosing him. They were NOT there for Kyron. It was more of a, "Kyron stands out because of his visibly noticed quietness".

This person was actually there for another student and noticed Kyron. Ms. Porter asked them if they had any suggestions to help him.

That's about the jist of it.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 17, 2011, 06:59:50 PM
IM: I don't know what was going on behind closed doors with this family, but I tend to agree with you as far as Kaine being ignorant to anything regarding Kyron's noticeable "spacing out". Terri raised the flag and apparently, it may have been ignored.

I also agree that Kaine should have, at the very least, allowed Desiree to have a 'trial' custody of Kyron, and let him decide or have some kind of arrangement that would be best suited for Kyron.

I guess on the other hand you can't say "would a should a could a", because it just doesn't come into play right now. We can look back on we, as spectators, at what they should have done, but to be honest, we ALL make mistake's raising children. None of us are perfect. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: islandmonkey on July 17, 2011, 07:05:29 PM
IM: I don't know what was going on behind closed doors with this family, but I tend to agree with you as far as Kaine being ignorant to anything regarding Kyron's noticeable "spacing out". Terri raised the flag and apparently, it may have been ignored.

I also agree that Kaine should have, at the very least, allowed Desiree to have a 'trial' custody of Kyron, and let him decide or have some kind of arrangement that would be best suited for Kyron.

I guess on the other hand you can't say "would a should a could a", because it just doesn't come into play right now. We can look back on we, as spectators, at what they should have done, but to be honest, we ALL make mistake's raising children. None of us are perfect. 

Agreed, and the what if's can eat you alive with guilt :(     more than anything it upsets me that Desiree never had that chance, if she had we may have never known the name Kyron Horman....


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on July 17, 2011, 10:54:06 PM
Sass this is just my opinion, from that description of Kyron he sounds as if he has a form of Autism. I have said this before and was shut down, but it sounds like it to me. A very mild case of autism or Aspergers can be very difficult to pin point and diagnose. It is also something very usual to find parents in denial about. Kids with mild autism/high functioning autism/aspergers are sometimes not even diagnosed until age 7 or 8. 1 out of 110 children have it, perhaps Kyron does.



Tracygirl: Since Klaas gave the go ahead to post what ever we have, I want to comment on your post.

You mentioned Autism. Now I'm not saying Kyron was diagnosed with anything because that didn't happen. The "source" that I was talking with, specializes in Autism. That does NOT mean that they thought he may be suspect to having that.My first impression was ADD, but neither of us are clinical therapist'.

They spent, withing the time span of a few weeks before he went missing, not enough time that they could even come close to diagnosing him. They were NOT there for Kyron. It was more of a, "Kyron stands out because of his visibly noticed quietness".

This person was actually there for another student and noticed Kyron. Ms. Porter asked them if they had any suggestions to help him.

That's about the jist of it.

This does not surprise me at all Sass. I wonder if Ms Porter spoke to Terri about this and this is why Terri made the appointment for Kyron? I am not sure if you know this or not, if you do then please don't feel as though I am trying to be a know it all. ADD/ADHD is often times a subdiagnosis of autism. Its symptoms are within the autism symptoms and diagnosis. I don't recall reading Kyron was impulsive, hyperactive, do you know if he had that?

There have been several things though which I have read which made me wonder about Autism. First the spacing out, he was also said to be shy and quiet and sometimes wandered. Also there is a pic of Kyron laying on a bean bag and the way his hands are just reminded of other children I have seen. I don't know, just a feeling I have had. Maybe when you live with it everyday as I do with my son it makes you more sensitive to it.
But if this is all the case with the teacher asking someone to give an opinion it adds another layer. I have to say though, without parental consent not sure it Ms Portor can legally ask the person for their opinion especially if the person was not there for Kyron but another child. Interesting....


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: labubske on July 17, 2011, 11:29:03 PM
My computer is running very slow for some reason...so it's taking me a lot longer than I thought that it would.  Post soon.  Thinking of you Kyron!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 17, 2011, 11:51:46 PM
TG: Ms. Porter was only try to help. She wasn't asking for a professional diagnosis, and the source wasn't giving one. Kyron stood out because he was always so quite and Ms. Porter was just asking if there was something she could do to aid him.

I know about ADD. My stepson has it. Although he is grown up now and much better, in the early years it was tough to keep his attention span where it should be. After numerous conferences with his teachers, the therapist' wanted to put him on ritalin. We didn't like the way he was reacting to it so we decided to go with a homeopathic treatment, which worked much better.

I don't think anyone here can diagnose or state factually why Kyron was noticeably quiet. We don't have that right. The point I was trying to make in that post was that perhaps both parents, Kaine and Terri, were not on the same page and Desiree probably only knew what Kaine told her wrt the Horman house prior to Kyron going missing.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 17, 2011, 11:52:41 PM
My computer is running very slow for some reason...so it's taking me a lot longer than I thought that it would.  Post soon.  Thinking of you Kyron!

Maybe you should give it a shot of caffeine!  ::MonkeyTongue::



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: melisb on July 18, 2011, 07:33:25 AM
TG, it was me (and I think Bearlythere) who noticed Ky's hands.  I got shot down pretty quick even though I had a premie w/every known prob to man and a therapist for it.  Ky's hands look like he had some fine motor problems and I also wondered about his eyesight...was he early?  Did he have problems related to DY's med condition?  I totally agree with whomever said it's possible KH was very ignorant to what went on with his child and in his home and I believe TH took care of everything!  I agree with Ms. Porter's concern.  I'm watching early morn Dr. Phil who is showing an adoptive Mom with a child w/emotional and physical handicaps and Mom wants to send her back in for adoption due to all the problems and wondering if TH came to resent Kyron because more and more was coming to light about him developmental wise?  Did Kaine brush her off and refuse to help and it result in marital problems?  As far as I can tell she (TH) pretty much helped and worked with Kyron during his early years.  Let me say that all of Ky's noticeable problems can be normal occurances but if you add all together it can point to some type of disability.  This is all MOO and I am only judging from the outside and what I have read.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on July 18, 2011, 05:28:22 PM
TG: Ms. Porter was only try to help. She wasn't asking for a professional diagnosis, and the source wasn't giving one. Kyron stood out because he was always so quite and Ms. Porter was just asking if there was something she could do to aid him.

I know about ADD. My stepson has it. Although he is grown up now and much better, in the early years it was tough to keep his attention span where it should be. After numerous conferences with his teachers, the therapist' wanted to put him on ritalin. We didn't like the way he was reacting to it so we decided to go with a homeopathic treatment, which worked much better.

I don't think anyone here can diagnose or state factually why Kyron was noticeably quiet. We don't have that right. The point I was trying to make in that post was that perhaps both parents, Kaine and Terri, were not on the same page and Desiree probably only knew what Kaine told her wrt the Horman house prior to Kyron going missing.

Actually legally Ms Porter didn't have the right to inquire of the professional nor could the professional advise her without parental consent anything about Kyron or what could help him. The reason I brought this up was not to put her down but it made me wonder if this was her last resort. Was she trying throughout the year to get parental consent and was turned down?

As I said, your post was an added layer to something I had considered and was wondering about. Was Kyron suspected as having ASD? I have heard before of a child being screened for focal seizures as a way to rule it out during an evaluation of ASD, most times it is the first thing checked. My son was checked for seizure activity. At the age of 4 he had an MRI. It is common practice. I have to say, I found it odd Kaine had mentioned the possible seizures as being false, something his son didn't suffer from. It was odd because Kyron had not been checked for it. It just sounded to me as his being in denial, something I have heard over and over again, especially from fathers.

What I meant about ADD/ADHD was Within autism are the traits of ADD/ADHD. I too have known children with ADHD, being quiet is not usually the problem however that is why I asked if you knew if Kyron had a problem with hyperactivity, lack of concentration or easily distracted or impulse control. Not trying to diagnose anyone, but just wondering if there are common traits.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on July 18, 2011, 05:42:42 PM
TG, it was me (and I think Bearlythere) who noticed Ky's hands.  I got shot down pretty quick even though I had a premie w/every known prob to man and a therapist for it.  Ky's hands look like he had some fine motor problems and I also wondered about his eyesight...was he early?  Did he have problems related to DY's med condition?  I totally agree with whomever said it's possible KH was very ignorant to what went on with his child and in his home and I believe TH took care of everything!  I agree with Ms. Porter's concern.  I'm watching early morn Dr. Phil who is showing an adoptive Mom with a child w/emotional and physical handicaps and Mom wants to send her back in for adoption due to all the problems and wondering if TH came to resent Kyron because more and more was coming to light about him developmental wise?  Did Kaine brush her off and refuse to help and it result in marital problems?  As far as I can tell she (TH) pretty much helped and worked with Kyron during his early years.  Let me say that all of Ky's noticeable problems can be normal occurances but if you add all together it can point to some type of disability.  This is all MOO and I am only judging from the outside and what I have read.

What I think it odd is why at the end of the year was Ms Porter asking how to help Kyron? I am thinking her concern didn't start in May but much earlier then that. Why  would a teacher reach out to a professional who is there for another kid to ask what she can do to help a student she was set to have in her class for another month? Either Kyron quietness was something new or she had hit a wall of some kind. It can be very frustrating for a teacher who wants to help but the parents are not open to it and the administration is looking for any reason to deny services. I wish we can find out if this is what Ms Porter was facing.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: monchichi on July 18, 2011, 06:06:55 PM
TG, it was me (and I think Bearlythere) who noticed Ky's hands.  I got shot down pretty quick even though I had a premie w/every known prob to man and a therapist for it.  Ky's hands look like he had some fine motor problems and I also wondered about his eyesight...was he early?  Did he have problems related to DY's med condition?  I totally agree with whomever said it's possible KH was very ignorant to what went on with his child and in his home and I believe TH took care of everything!  I agree with Ms. Porter's concern.  I'm watching early morn Dr. Phil who is showing an adoptive Mom with a child w/emotional and physical handicaps and Mom wants to send her back in for adoption due to all the problems and wondering if TH came to resent Kyron because more and more was coming to light about him developmental wise?  Did Kaine brush her off and refuse to help and it result in marital problems?  As far as I can tell she (TH) pretty much helped and worked with Kyron during his early years.  Let me say that all of Ky's noticeable problems can be normal occurances but if you add all together it can point to some type of disability.  This is all MOO and I am only judging from the outside and what I have read.

What I think it odd is why at the end of the year was Ms Porter asking how to help Kyron? I am thinking her concern didn't start in May but much earlier then that. Why  would a teacher reach out to a professional who is there for another kid to ask what she can do to help a student she was set to have in her class for another month? Either Kyron quietness was something new or she had hit a wall of some kind. It can be very frustrating for a teacher who wants to help but the parents are not open to it and the administration is looking for any reason to deny services. I wish we can find out if this is what Ms Porter was facing.

What I gathered, from Sassi's post, was that this person was there for another child and noticed Kyron.  I didn't think Ms. Porter reached out to this person to evaluate Kyron in any way, but when this other person noticed Ky, Ms. Porter then asked what she could do to help him?  I think it would be an automatic response to ask what she could do, whether the end of the year or not.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 18, 2011, 07:40:43 PM
TG, it was me (and I think Bearlythere) who noticed Ky's hands.  I got shot down pretty quick even though I had a premie w/every known prob to man and a therapist for it.  Ky's hands look like he had some fine motor problems and I also wondered about his eyesight...was he early?  Did he have problems related to DY's med condition?  I totally agree with whomever said it's possible KH was very ignorant to what went on with his child and in his home and I believe TH took care of everything!  I agree with Ms. Porter's concern.  I'm watching early morn Dr. Phil who is showing an adoptive Mom with a child w/emotional and physical handicaps and Mom wants to send her back in for adoption due to all the problems and wondering if TH came to resent Kyron because more and more was coming to light about him developmental wise?  Did Kaine brush her off and refuse to help and it result in marital problems?  As far as I can tell she (TH) pretty much helped and worked with Kyron during his early years.  Let me say that all of Ky's noticeable problems can be normal occurances but if you add all together it can point to some type of disability.  This is all MOO and I am only judging from the outside and what I have read.

What I think it odd is why at the end of the year was Ms Porter asking how to help Kyron? I am thinking her concern didn't start in May but much earlier then that. Why  would a teacher reach out to a professional who is there for another kid to ask what she can do to help a student she was set to have in her class for another month? Either Kyron quietness was something new or she had hit a wall of some kind. It can be very frustrating for a teacher who wants to help but the parents are not open to it and the administration is looking for any reason to deny services. I wish we can find out if this is what Ms Porter was facing.

What I gathered, from Sassi's post, was that this person was there for another child and noticed Kyron.  I didn't think Ms. Porter reached out to this person to evaluate Kyron in any way, but when this other person noticed Ky, Ms. Porter then asked what she could do to help him?  I think it would be an automatic response to ask what she could do, whether the end of the year or not.

monchichi: You are absolutely spot on and I thank you for that.  ::MonkeyAngel::

The purpose of that post was to put aside the rumors of Kyron's demeanor. His personality, so to speak. I was questioning whether the statements made in the MSM were actually true.

I've been pretty sick lately and don't have a lot of energy to go into detailed explanations or defensive tactics to justify what I posted, or the validity of it. It is what it is, and if Klaas didn't think it was worthy of posting, I never would have posted it.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on July 18, 2011, 08:56:07 PM
Sass I don't think you are understanding what I am saying. For some reason you always take what I post wrong or personally. Never have I asked you to validate your post. I am commenting on it, posting about it, gave my opinion on it. I find the information interesting.

Again I think it is interesting due to the fact it is illegal for a teacher to discuss a student in the class with another person, whether that be another parent, therapist, school employee or anyone unless the parent has given permission to do so. Ms Porter, even if approached by a parent, therapist, or whoever, could not comment on the student, although she could speak to the principal or her supervisor. That is the law. However, if she did it may show she was at her wits end trying to help this child and going conventional ways didn't work.  

I am not sure who asked first whether it was her or this other person about Kyron but it is an usual situation the conversation happened in the first place. I can't imagine a person asking about another student when there for another student. It is just an unusual conversation. The proper/legal coarse of action would be the teacher contacts the parents in writing either requesting a meeting to discuss problems at school or for the letter to outline the problem. A plan of action would most likely be presented such as an sort of behavior plan, tracking of behaviors etc...All of this is done with the parents consent.

So, isn't it curious Ms Porter went the route she did?  Surly she would know the laws covering this. I can understand her asking, as a human I can understand, however, to ask for help in this way is unusual even if it is a "hey btw he is quiet any ideas how to get him out of his shell?" It is just not how its done normally. That is my point, not putting anyone down, I find it curious as to why is all.

 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: melisb on July 18, 2011, 11:21:35 PM
TG I believe you and I both have a disabled (at one time or in some way still)child.  Here in FL I can tell you it is not illegal nor a HIPPA violation for a teacher to consult whomever she feels (within her district ability) is needed to further that childs learning ability.  I have had the same thing happen to me.  I begged and begged one of the old PT's in my son's past to have an OT consult cause I was concerned about his hands and they told me I was wrong well another OT seeing another child in the room happen to be watching her patient playing with my Son and asked why she wasn't seeing him for his Fine Motor Coord. defecit?  I appreciated that more than you know.  I can see TH being in her own world at that time and not wanting to deal w/Kyron anymore and KH just being a man saying there isn't anything wrong with my Son or he didn't even know yet!  Things may be diff in CA, I don't know.  Anyhoo, just thought I'd ad my experience in the mix.  Have a good night, y'all!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on July 19, 2011, 02:39:49 AM
With all due respect, I believe it to be illegal for a teacher to ask for advice or respond to any questions about a student in her classroom if that said student is not receiving therapies from that person without first notifying the parents. Kyron, as far as we know, was not dx'ed with anything nor was he being educated under an IEP as your son was or I am assuming he was. If the teacher was speaking in general terms such as, "what advice would you give regarding helping students come out of their shell?" But to specifically speak directly about Kyron to someone not authorized to help or offer suggestions or who has not had the chance to work with him or evaluate him, in my opinion as an advocate, I would stand behind the notion it is not legal and if asked I would advice the parents to be included in the decision of how to help their child as I suspect you were included in the making of the OT goals. Who knows though, perhaps she did tell the parents she was seeking advice from this autism specialist who was in the classroom to help this other student? We don't know. Did she notify them and if so, what was the outcome?

as I have said and it really is my main point, if she has tried to reach out to the parents to only be turned down or were they receptive. I can understand her doing this out of desperation to help her student if she kept hitting a stone wall. Is this what happened?  I would love to know if she had tried to reach out to Kyrons parents and what happened with that? Did they back her up or did they turn her down? I would suspect she did reach out and this was not her first attempt, in May, to help Kyron when she had him for months prior.

I don't know about Terri, seemed she made an appointment for Kyron so perhaps she was trying to help him? Or perhaps she was sick of it all and got rid of him.  Desiree I think was kept in the dark about a lot of things, just have that feeling from things she has said. Kaine to me strikes me as a father who would struggle with the concept of perhaps there is a reason to be concerned. Not putting him down but to me he seems like if it not right there in front of him and obvious, he doesn't see it. He needs concrete facts not speculations.

As always, just my 2 cents


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: melisb on July 19, 2011, 07:46:41 AM
I understand completely TG what you are saying and I did call my school board friend and she said as long as those people work within that school or a discipline hired by the county to handle their therapies, etc., then it is within their right as a teacher to consult one another if they suspect a problem and then present it to the parent with or without a standing IEP.  That is only in FL, in my area, that I can vouch for.  No, a teacher may not speak to an outsider or other parent about any child.   


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on July 19, 2011, 05:52:02 PM
I think a school board person would see things differently then an advocate so perhaps we are both right and this has been the foundations of many of debates? My point, which honestly is not that important is the teacher should have gone about it differently so it was specific to Kyron. Kyron doesn't have a dx, he has not been provided an IEP, the behavior plan from what we have been told was classroom wide and not specific to Kyron. In my opinion a therapist would be flying blind to just watch a child from a distance and offering advice. Although well meaning, it is not a proper evaluation and would not provide proper intervention. Lets say this person offered the advise to have Kyron be promted to listen to adults at the school. I recall Desiree and Kaine both saying they had to have a talk with Kyron about this. Also what if this is where Terri learned about monitoring the behavior plan the teacher had in place and to give consequences for anything less then green but the therapist didn't mean to punish him for it by placing him in the room but rather he couldn't earn a prize or something he loves. I know all of this sounds far fetched but these are examples of why behavior modification goals are written and monitored by a team of people. So yes can a teacher say hey any advice for this student? But there is a legal formula in place to protect the integrity of the suggestions. Anyhow my first thought when I first read Sass's post was had Ms Porter tried prior to get help for Kyron and what was the outcome of it. was this a last effort to try to help Kyron or was she just realizing something was not right? Not saying it was, just curious as the history of it all.    

I really would love to know if the teacher had these concerns prior to the autism specialist visiting her classroom and if she reached out to the parents and were the parents receptive or not. For all we know Ms Porter had told Terri or Kaine she asked this persons advise, we don't know.

Is it interesting timing to anyone that this all happened just 2 weeks prior to Kyron going missing? As well as an up coming dr's appointment about possible seizure activity? Terri volunteered in the classroom a lot from what we had been told. Terri also didn't care for Ms Porter from what we have been told. Does that have anything to do with Ms Porters concerns over Kyron being quiet etc?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: cw618 on July 19, 2011, 06:02:19 PM
if kyron had problems in school,BC of a disability he may have had one of these
and i think the HEPPA laws cover it,so unless a fam member says something,we prob
will never know for sure

What's an IEP?
http://kidshealth.org/parent/growth/learning/iep.html

IEPs and Legal Rights
http://www.ped-onc.org/cfissues/backtoschool/iep.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 19, 2011, 07:06:53 PM
I gotta tell ya Monkeys. I'm at a dead lock right now. I am waiting on some information but I can't go with it unless it's been checked out. I'm not giving up, so please don't think that's what I'm doing. I just need more info, and it's coming at a snails pace.

I wouldn't concentrate too much on the therapist post. It was put out there to get a clear understanding of Kyron's personality as seen by people not within the family group. It was just for knowledge and it doesn't help with finding out who made him go poof.

Does anyone remember the name Aleshire, or something like that? I received something referenced to that name. Monkeys?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: klaasend on July 20, 2011, 01:10:09 AM
I gotta tell ya Monkeys. I'm at a dead lock right now. I am waiting on some information but I can't go with it unless it's been checked out. I'm not giving up, so please don't think that's what I'm doing. I just need more info, and it's coming at a snails pace.

I wouldn't concentrate too much on the therapist post. It was put out there to get a clear understanding of Kyron's personality as seen by people not within the family group. It was just for knowledge and it doesn't help with finding out who made him go poof.

Does anyone remember the name Aleshire, or something like that? I received something referenced to that name. Monkeys?


http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/multnomah_county_shericomb_thr/4053/comments-newest-12.html        In the comment section page 12 there is a mention about a friend of Terri who received a subpoena to testify at the grand jury. Her name is Chelsea Aleshire. Never seen this name mentioned before.
Terri Horman is friends on Facebook with a Chelsea Aleshire (I think she worked at the 24 hour fitness Terri and Kaine go to or knows or is friends with people that work there.) She posts a sympathetic message on Terri’s Facebook page shortly after Kyron goes missing. (It’s on the raw view of Terri’s page that I’ve seen floating around on different websites)

Chelsea Aleshire is engaged to a Roland Salas according to her Facbook page.

Roland Salas is friends with a “Casey 'Spangler' Miramontes” on Facebook that has a very private Facebook page. (With Kyron’s missing poster stuff on it)

Here is Casey’s page on Facebook

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1210297348


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on July 20, 2011, 02:26:18 AM
Keep up the good work Monkeys, especially sassifrass.  Because of your hard work, Kyron is not forgotten.  Bless you.

Video--

http://www.kptv.com/story/15091979/kyron-horman-search-featured-at-event
Kyron Horman search featured at event
Posted: Jul 15, 2011 11:44 PM CDT
Updated: Jul 15, 2011 11:49 PM CDT

Kyron Horman disappeared more than a year ago, but his family is not giving up on the search for the boy.

Kaine Horman set up a table tonight at the "Wood Village Nite Out" event. It featured fliers, shirts and buttons with his son's photo on them.

Horman handed them out during the event, hoping it will create more leads in the search for his son.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on July 20, 2011, 05:00:48 PM
I gotta tell ya Monkeys. I'm at a dead lock right now. I am waiting on some information but I can't go with it unless it's been checked out. I'm not giving up, so please don't think that's what I'm doing. I just need more info, and it's coming at a snails pace.

I wouldn't concentrate too much on the therapist post. It was put out there to get a clear understanding of Kyron's personality as seen by people not within the family group. It was just for knowledge and it doesn't help with finding out who made him go poof.

Does anyone remember the name Aleshire, or something like that? I received something referenced to that name. Monkeys?


We have no idea if it has anything to do with it or not as we don't know what happened to him. I guess I am the only one who is seeing beyond the question Ms Porter posed? In my opinion, it does give us an insight into something which has been kept out of the publics eye.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: monchichi on July 20, 2011, 10:08:37 PM
Another public appearance by Kaine, this time in Washington:

http://www.kptv.com/story/15115468/kyrons-father-tries-to-keep-search-for-son-alive


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 20, 2011, 10:26:12 PM
I gotta tell ya Monkeys. I'm at a dead lock right now. I am waiting on some information but I can't go with it unless it's been checked out. I'm not giving up, so please don't think that's what I'm doing. I just need more info, and it's coming at a snails pace.

I wouldn't concentrate too much on the therapist post. It was put out there to get a clear understanding of Kyron's personality as seen by people not within the family group. It was just for knowledge and it doesn't help with finding out who made him go poof.

Does anyone remember the name Aleshire, or something like that? I received something referenced to that name. Monkeys?


We have no idea if it has anything to do with it or not as we don't know what happened to him. I guess I am the only one who is seeing beyond the question Ms Porter posed? In my opinion, it does give us an insight into something which has been kept out of the publics eye.

TG: The point I'm trying to make is, and now I wish I didn't post it, is that it has NOTHING to do with what or WHO made Kyron go poof.

You can sit there on your armchair and analyze what Kyron's personality was, or that someone took attention to it. It doesn't change the fact that we don't know WHO took Kyron. Yes, his personality may have lead him to being an easy target, but what is the purpose of rehashing a confirmed personality trait have to do with the person(s) responsible for him going poof?

TG, I admire you and your thoughts, but let's move on please.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: labubske on July 20, 2011, 10:40:51 PM
Has the groundskeeper at Skyline Elementary been discussed here?  I plugged his name into the search but it didn't bring back anything.  He has a white truck and was mowing the soccer field, I believe, on the day that Kyron went missing.  It was raining excessively during this time and the soccer field could have been too wet to actually mow.  He stated that he did not see a white truck that day.  I was curious if he has been discussed. 

http://www.katu.com/news/local/100582364.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: labubske on July 20, 2011, 10:53:57 PM
I recall also checking out this area Rolf's Hideout as mentioned in the grandfather's book...this is wear I recall seeing the white truck and red car...but was likely nothing but I just recall saving that picture because it was close to the area on Mountain Loop Highway.

Rolf’s Hideout is just off the Mountain Loop highway near Snohomish, Washington. It’s the place just before the wooden bridge if you are traveling south.

http://northwesttales.com/TokensofTrust/RolfsHideout.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: labubske on July 20, 2011, 11:14:50 PM
I recall also checking out this area Rolf's Hideout as mentioned in the grandfather's book...this is wear I recall seeing the white truck and red car...but was likely nothing but I just recall saving that picture because it was close to the area on Mountain Loop Highway.

Rolf’s Hideout is just off the Mountain Loop highway near Snohomish, Washington. It’s the place just before the wooden bridge if you are traveling south.

http://northwesttales.com/TokensofTrust/RolfsHideout.html

Which is also close to the Masonic Lodge which both of the Hormans...Dad and son (son being the accused child molester)...are a part of.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: melisb on July 21, 2011, 12:04:51 AM
Has the groundskeeper at Skyline Elementary been discussed here?  I plugged his name into the search but it didn't bring back anything.  He has a white truck and was mowing the soccer field, I believe, on the day that Kyron went missing.  It was raining excessively during this time and the soccer field could have been too wet to actually mow.  He stated that he did not see a white truck that day.  I was curious if he has been discussed. 

http://www.katu.com/news/local/100582364.html

He was checked out quite well and I think we all agreed he coulda been a part of or not?  Just another open end, some think not but I'm not ruling anyone out!  Go over to Blink's and scroll down to his name and click on it and it will bring up the articles featuring him.  Sometimes I can't get the search thing here to bring up what I want either but know it's there!  I'm not real computer bright though!!!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on July 21, 2011, 02:32:49 AM
I gotta tell ya Monkeys. I'm at a dead lock right now. I am waiting on some information but I can't go with it unless it's been checked out. I'm not giving up, so please don't think that's what I'm doing. I just need more info, and it's coming at a snails pace.

I wouldn't concentrate too much on the therapist post. It was put out there to get a clear understanding of Kyron's personality as seen by people not within the family group. It was just for knowledge and it doesn't help with finding out who made him go poof.

Does anyone remember the name Aleshire, or something like that? I received something referenced to that name. Monkeys?


We have no idea if it has anything to do with it or not as we don't know what happened to him. I guess I am the only one who is seeing beyond the question Ms Porter posed? In my opinion, it does give us an insight into something which has been kept out of the publics eye.

TG: The point I'm trying to make is, and now I wish I didn't post it, is that it has NOTHING to do with what or WHO made Kyron go poof.

You can sit there on your armchair and analyze what Kyron's personality was, or that someone took attention to it. It doesn't change the fact that we don't know WHO took Kyron. Yes, his personality may have lead him to being an easy target, but what is the purpose of rehashing a confirmed personality trait have to do with the person(s) responsible for him going poof?

TG, I admire you and your thoughts, but let's move on please.

Sass I don't understand why you are so rude to me. If you don't want to discuss it, you don't have to. I am not asking for your help, so work on what you are doing and I will work on what I am working on. There is plenty enough room for everyone.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on July 21, 2011, 02:37:17 AM
Has the groundskeeper at Skyline Elementary been discussed here?  I plugged his name into the search but it didn't bring back anything.  He has a white truck and was mowing the soccer field, I believe, on the day that Kyron went missing.  It was raining excessively during this time and the soccer field could have been too wet to actually mow.  He stated that he did not see a white truck that day.  I was curious if he has been discussed. 

http://www.katu.com/news/local/100582364.html

He was checked out quite well and I think we all agreed he coulda been a part of or not?  Just another open end, some think not but I'm not ruling anyone out!  Go over to Blink's and scroll down to his name and click on it and it will bring up the articles featuring him.  Sometimes I can't get the search thing here to bring up what I want either but know it's there!  I'm not real computer bright though!!!

I don't rule anyone out either. There are more then a few people on my radar for various reasons.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: labubske on July 21, 2011, 07:45:45 AM
I recall also checking out this area Rolf's Hideout as mentioned in the grandfather's book...this is where I recall seeing the white truck and red car...but was likely nothing but I just recall saving that picture because it was close to the area on Mountain Loop Highway.

Rolf’s Hideout is just off the Mountain Loop highway near Snohomish, Washington. It’s the place just before the wooden bridge if you are traveling south.

http://northwesttales.com/TokensofTrust/RolfsHideout.html

Which is also close to the Masonic Lodge which both of the Hormans...Dad and son (son being the accused child molester)...are a part of.

wow...cannot believe that I typed wear instead of where...self edit. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: MOMDET on July 21, 2011, 12:29:57 PM
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Which is also close to the Masonic Lodge which both of the Hormans...Dad and son (son being the accused child molester)...are a part of.

What did I miss?  When was Kaine accused of molesting a child?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: labubske on July 21, 2011, 01:04:24 PM
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Which is also close to the Masonic Lodge which both of the Hormans...Dad and son (son being the accused child molester)...are a part of.

What did I miss?  When was Kaine accused of molesting a child?

No no no...not Kaine...I was typing last night and didn't gather the names of Kaine's brother and their dad.  Sorry about that.  I will go and find them later.  Can't recall at the moment.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 21, 2011, 02:17:24 PM
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Which is also close to the Masonic Lodge which both of the Hormans...Dad and son (son being the accused child molester)...are a part of.

What did I miss?  When was Kaine accused of molesting a child?

No no no...not Kaine...I was typing last night and didn't gather the names of Kaine's brother and their dad.  Sorry about that.  I will go and find them later.  Can't recall at the moment.

Just popped in for a second. You're talking about Kristian Horman, and it was the Grandfather, NOT the father.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on July 21, 2011, 02:23:42 PM
I recall also checking out this area Rolf's Hideout as mentioned in the grandfather's book...this is wear I recall seeing the white truck and red car...but was likely nothing but I just recall saving that picture because it was close to the area on Mountain Loop Highway.

Rolf’s Hideout is just off the Mountain Loop highway near Snohomish, Washington. It’s the place just before the wooden bridge if you are traveling south.

http://northwesttales.com/TokensofTrust/RolfsHideout.html

Which is also close to the Masonic Lodge which both of the Hormans...Dad and son (son being the accused child molester)...are a part of.

Do you know if the person is  still actively "a part of" or are they no longer members of the Masonic Lodge, as in a past member?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on July 21, 2011, 05:44:29 PM
Desiree on JVM tonight per JVM just now??  Anybody else see this?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: MonaMonkey on July 21, 2011, 06:47:44 PM
Desiree on JVM tonight per JVM just now??  Anybody else see this?


Yes:  http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/issues.with.jane/


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Brandi on July 21, 2011, 06:55:53 PM
Desiree on JVM tonight per JVM just now??  Anybody else see this?

issueswithjvm Jane Velez-Mitchell
Exclusively on Issues at 7pm est. Desiree Young talks heartbreak & what she is doing in the search for her precious son Kyron Horman!

http://twitter.com/#!/issueswithjvm (http://twitter.com/#!/issueswithjvm)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on July 21, 2011, 07:01:18 PM
Desiree on JVM tonight per JVM just now??  Anybody else see this?


Yes:  http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/issues.with.jane/

Thank you, I am sitting here waiting till she comes on...hoping it is about him tonight.  It's been so long and I'd like them all to spill what they can to put new interest into this case for Kyron.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Brandi on July 21, 2011, 07:41:32 PM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/Image119-1.png)

Desiree Young on "Issues" tonight, asking Terri to tell her where Kyron is.

Desiree is convinced Terri knows where Kyron is and what happened to him.

She has put billboards up for Terri to see.

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/Image121-1.png)

Poor Desiree, is so distraught.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: islandmonkey on July 21, 2011, 07:50:40 PM
Watching Desiree on JVM is gut wrenching.......her pain is palpable, I can feel it coming from her. ::MonkeyWaa:: ::crymonkey2::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on July 21, 2011, 08:02:10 PM
Watching Desiree on JVM is gut wrenching.......her pain is palpable, I can feel it coming from her. ::MonkeyWaa:: ::crymonkey2::

Yes.  Very sad.   ::MonkeyAngel::

I see, she like me, is still dead set on Terri Horman.  All I can do is hope that this person going over the phone records for that day will find something.  Some small blip between two throw away phones could be all we need...I can always hope.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: islandmonkey on July 21, 2011, 08:09:10 PM
Watching Desiree on JVM is gut wrenching.......her pain is palpable, I can feel it coming from her. ::MonkeyWaa:: ::crymonkey2::

Yes.  Very sad.   ::MonkeyAngel::

I see, she like me, is still dead set on Terri Horman.  All I can do is hope that this person going over the phone records for that day will find something.  Some small blip between two throw away phones could be all we need...I can always hope.

I hope and pray too....but I also think she truly will never give up on looking for Kyron, just absolutely devastating to listen to her break down. I am not positive it is all Terri, could be but I have a gut feeling there is far more to it for some reason (nothing I can explain though, just instinct and could be way off) I feel like others know far more than they are telling.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on July 21, 2011, 09:06:15 PM
I think a school board person would see things differently then an advocate so perhaps we are both right and this has been the foundations of many of debates? My point, which honestly is not that important is the teacher should have gone about it differently so it was specific to Kyron. Kyron doesn't have a dx, he has not been provided an IEP, the behavior plan from what we have been told was classroom wide and not specific to Kyron. In my opinion a therapist would be flying blind to just watch a child from a distance and offering advice. Although well meaning, it is not a proper evaluation and would not provide proper intervention. Lets say this person offered the advise to have Kyron be promted to listen to adults at the school. I recall Desiree and Kaine both saying they had to have a talk with Kyron about this. Also what if this is where Terri learned about monitoring the behavior plan the teacher had in place and to give consequences for anything less then green but the therapist didn't mean to punish him for it by placing him in the room but rather he couldn't earn a prize or something he loves. I know all of this sounds far fetched but these are examples of why behavior modification goals are written and monitored by a team of people. So yes can a teacher say hey any advice for this student? But there is a legal formula in place to protect the integrity of the suggestions. Anyhow my first thought when I first read Sass's post was had Ms Porter tried prior to get help for Kyron and what was the outcome of it. was this a last effort to try to help Kyron or was she just realizing something was not right? Not saying it was, just curious as the history of it all.    

I really would love to know if the teacher had these concerns prior to the autism specialist visiting her classroom and if she reached out to the parents and were the parents receptive or not. For all we know Ms Porter had told Terri or Kaine she asked this persons advise, we don't know.

Is it interesting timing to anyone that this all happened just 2 weeks prior to Kyron going missing? As well as an up coming dr's appointment about possible seizure activity? Terri volunteered in the classroom a lot from what we had been told. Terri also didn't care for Ms Porter from what we have been told. Does that have anything to do with Ms Porters concerns over Kyron being quiet etc?

TracyGirl I think these are all valid points and questions in regards to Kyron.  We know very little about Kyron and these allegations by Terri that something was not right with him and having a clear confirmation from someone other than her could be helpfull.

Silence, staring into space, not listening to elders are all big issues observed by Terri and others prior to Kyron going missing.  I don't believe it could just have made him a target but it is a clear indication that something was already going on in Kyron's world that was not normal.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on July 21, 2011, 09:08:42 PM
one more point on Kyron;  I believe Kaine already stated that there was NO DOCTORS APPT scheduled for Kyron at a later date??  Just throwing that out there.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: melancholygirl on July 22, 2011, 01:40:04 AM
I think I missed some information in all these posts.  Was it confirmed by someone other than Terri Horman that Kyron had legitimate problems?  It's always seemed to me that this was a set-up on TH's part to explain his disappearance that day.  You know, like he wandered off somewhere in one of his "episodes". 



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on July 22, 2011, 02:59:09 AM
I can recall Kaine and Desiree stating something along the lines they had heard of the appointment? I think this is one detail which has not been confirmed or denied.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on July 22, 2011, 06:30:30 AM
Kyron Horman: Issues 7/21/11 Part 1  http://www.youtube.com/user/Sierra1947#p/u/3/xj_YGBrq0Wc
Kyron Horman: Issues 7/21/11 Part 2  http://www.youtube.com/user/Sierra1947#p/u/2/bd5QnU4mbTY


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: labubske on July 22, 2011, 07:19:13 AM
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Which is also close to the Masonic Lodge which both of the Hormans...Dad and son (son being the accused child molester)...are a part of.

What did I miss?  When was Kaine accused of molesting a child?

No no no...not Kaine...I was typing last night and didn't gather the names of Kaine's brother and their dad.  Sorry about that.  I will go and find them later.  Can't recall at the moment.

Just popped in for a second. You're talking about Kristian Horman, and it was the Grandfather, NOT the father.

Thanks...so to make it clear it was Kristian, Kaine's brother and not their father...but their father's father?  Sorry, I thought that it was Kristian and Kaine and Kristian's father that were a part of Masonic Lodge...


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: labubske on July 22, 2011, 07:21:29 AM
I recall also checking out this area Rolf's Hideout as mentioned in the grandfather's book...this is wear I recall seeing the white truck and red car...but was likely nothing but I just recall saving that picture because it was close to the area on Mountain Loop Highway.

Rolf’s Hideout is just off the Mountain Loop highway near Snohomish, Washington. It’s the place just before the wooden bridge if you are traveling south.

http://northwesttales.com/TokensofTrust/RolfsHideout.html

Which is also close to the Masonic Lodge which both of the Hormans...Dad and son (son being the accused child molester)...are a part of.

Do you know if the person is  still actively "a part of" or are they no longer members of the Masonic Lodge, as in a past member?

When Kyron went missing they appeared on the home page or in a board member picture (at the moment I do not recall) of the Masonic Lodge website.  I will see if I can find that and post it. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: labubske on July 22, 2011, 07:32:12 AM
I recall also checking out this area Rolf's Hideout as mentioned in the grandfather's book...this is wear I recall seeing the white truck and red car...but was likely nothing but I just recall saving that picture because it was close to the area on Mountain Loop Highway.

Rolf’s Hideout is just off the Mountain Loop highway near Snohomish, Washington. It’s the place just before the wooden bridge if you are traveling south.

http://northwesttales.com/TokensofTrust/RolfsHideout.html

Which is also close to the Masonic Lodge which both of the Hormans...Dad and son (son being the accused child molester)...are a part of.

Do you know if the person is  still actively "a part of" or are they no longer members of the Masonic Lodge, as in a past member?

When Kyron went missing they appeared on the home page or in a board member picture (at the moment I do not recall) of the Masonic Lodge website.  I will see if I can find that and post it. 

Also, I want to make sure and not imply that the Masonic Lodge that is on Mountain Loop Hwy, close to where Neil Horman (Kyron's grandfather or Kaine and Kristian's dad however you want to say it) described Rolf's Hideout is the same Masonic Lodge that they were a part of, it is not.  I only mentioned it because of the Masonic theory by some.  Does this sentence even make sense?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: islandmonkey on July 22, 2011, 11:44:14 AM
For everyone that didn't see Desiree last night, here is a snippet of the transcript...


 ::snipping2::



VELEZ-MITCHELL: Kaine Horman still has a protective order against Terri, and she`s still not talking. Despite search after search after search after search, not a shred of evidence has turned up in little Kyron`s disappearance.

Look at this precious child. Imagine what his mother is going through not knowing what happened to her little boy. It`s unimaginable.

I`m very honored tonight to be joined by Kyron`s mother Desiree Young. Desiree, first of all, I feel like I know you, because we devoted so much of our shows over the past year to finding your child. We want to bring him home. Thank you so much for being here.

We hope that somehow talking to you will spark somebody`s memory, to cause somebody who may have some information who`s not coming forward, to come forward and tell everything they know.

I have to ask you, Desiree, police are still saying that they cannot say for sure whether your son is dead or alive.

YOUNG: Yes.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: It`s a difficult question, but what do you think has happened to your precious boy?

YOUNG: Obviously I have changed my opinion over time, but in the beginning of the case, I -- I definitely thought Kyron was going to come home any second. I knew we were going to find him, he was going to be ok and everything was fine. I didn`t think for a second that Terri could have ever done any harm to my son.

I know differently now, and it`s further reinforced a year later, we know way too many details about Terri and what she`s been doing and what she was doing prior to Kyron going missing, and everything about her personality just screams to me that we know that she hates Kyron, just hates him. And we see a lot of writing from her communicating that she did not like him and did not want him in her life.

And I just feel now, over a year later, I just feel like she probably harmed him. We just need to bring him home, and we just need answers. We need her to just tell us what she did with him and where he is.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, we reached out to Terri`s attorney, we have not heard back. She has been living in relative seclusion, reportedly with her parents and there are signs outside the yard that say, basically don`t come in, leave us alone.

If Terri is watching, since we did reach out to her attorney and we didn`t hear back, and since she`s not considered a suspect or being called a suspect, but clearly the news reports would indicate that she`s the focus of the investigation, do you have a message for Terri Horman?

YOUNG: I do. Where is Kyron? We want him home, we want answers. We`re tired of waiting. It`s been over a year, you know. You win, we give in. Just tell us where he is.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And if she does? If she does know? She was the last person with him, seen with him at a science fair. She says she left him at the science fair and left. And obviously you have your doubts about that story, but again I have to emphasize that she`s not been charged with anything, she`s not under arrest, she`s living with her parents in seclusion.

If she knows something that she isn`t telling, what motivation would you give her to come forward, Desiree?

YOUNG: Well, we`re -- above everything, above punishment or justice for what`s been done, we just want answers. We just want Kyron home. So, you know, above everything else, that`s all we want. I know that -- that we`re willing to get what we can. I`m sure that they`re willing to negotiate with her and talk with her about it.
But she just has refused to talk at all. She`s refused to clear herself. She knows what happened that day. I can`t go into any of the details, but she knows what happened and where Kyron is. And she knows exactly where she went and what she did with him.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, even though she has moved to live with her parents in Roseburg, and is in seclusion, you have actually put up billboards near where she lives. Tell us about that, and what is your message?

YOUNG: Yes. I have put billboards up. I just want her to see his face every single day. I want her reminded every single day of what she`s done. I want her to suffer. I want her to suffer as much as Kyron has.

And those billboards are a reminder that I will never stop. I won`t stop until we find him. It`s my promise to Kyron that we will never stop. It`s my promise to her that I will be here every single day, reminding her that she needs to talk, and she needs to tell us what happened.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: What have these 13 months been like for you?

YOUNG: A roller coaster of emotions. I`ve said before it`s a nightmare, but I don`t even know if I can put into words exactly what it feels like to just have that constant pull in your soul, because he`s missing.

We went and saw "Harry Potter" the other night. I went with my older son. There was a scene in there, a little baby that`s supposed to be "Harry Potter". He looks just like Kyron at 9 or 10 months old. I started bawling.

 ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: I could have sworn she said she followed them...need to go back and read but I know if my child were missing and someone reminded me of them, I would probably follow them too.It`s things like that. It`s every single day, constantly. Just things that remind you and remind me of everything he is missing out on, and everything that Terri took from us, his whole family, and Kyron. He doesn`t get to experience all the stuff. It`s sad.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I`m so sorry. I can`t even imagine. I know that everybody who is watching, all of our hearts go out to you. We want to be helpful. We want you to have some kind of -- I know the word "closure" is ridiculous. Everything says who has been through something like this that there is no closure, but answers -- answers.

YOUNG: Yes.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: What happened to the grand jury? I mean, months ago we all saw, we heard Terri Horman, we heard her best friend Didi Spicer (ph), I think that`s her best friend there, Didi Spicer had appeared before the grand jury and showed up at the grand jury location, anyway. And what happened about that?

We heard about gym workers who testified that Terri was upset with her husband, Kyron`s dad, Kaine because allegedly apparently he had insisted Terri`s oldest son move out of the family home, which could have created resentment. That resentment could have -- who knows. Whatever happened to all of that?

YOUNG: Well, it`s my understanding the grand jury is still convened and still working on the case. I heard reports recently that they were still working on it and still making decisions for it. So it`s my understanding it still is being used as a tool and still active.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, law enforcement has scaled back their task force, their Kyron Horman task force, apparently just the lead investigator is on it full time and he works in coordination with the prosecutor and the FBI. How does that feel?

YOUNG: You know, um, I know -- I was prepared that eventually that would happen. It`s disappointing, and at times very frustrating. We`ve been waiting for searches to happen since January, because the weather was a factor before, so we are patiently waiting for the weather to warm up. There`s these three key areas they still need to search, and we`re still waiting the on the searches, because the sheriff`s office just doesn`t have the resources. ::MonkeyMad::

It`s disappointing. It`s -- those searching are what keeps our hope alive. We, as a family, feel like Kyron`s being forgotten, because we`re not doing the searches. That`s the only way we`re going to bring him home is if we complete those key areas. If nothing else it rules out another area we know Kyron isn`t.

You know, it`s --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Desiree, more on the other side. We`ll be right back.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
 ::snipping2::

Desiree, I have to ask you, how is your relationship with your ex- husband Kaine, Kyron`s father. Do you speak at all? What`s happening there?

YOUNG: Well, I separated myself from some of the stuff that was going on, and I`m not speaking with him outside of anything that involves the case or Kyron. I just have chosen to make a statement, because I was -- well, not just me, my husband as well, we were both extremely disappointed and really upset finding out some of the stuff that was going on in the house that we found out from the media and the court paperwork and all of that stuff. We didn`t find out from Kaine directly, and it was really upsetting.

It was upsetting because there were so many opportunities for him to share that information with us, and he didn`t choose to do that. And so, you know, unfortunately it`s a difficult position to be in, being divorced, and having to go through the situation and try and, you know, be on the same mission to find Kyron. But at the same time we`re completely separate people and separate lives, and we live our lives in two different ways. I just had to make that choice for myself, because I -- I couldn`t do it anymore.
  ::MonkeyEek::

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, we haven`t spoken to Kaine, but he is always invited to also come on. We`ve had him on in the past. I know you can`t get into any details, but are you basically suggesting that there were things that you weren`t pleased with, lifestyle?

YOUNG: Correct, yes, there were lots of things that we`re finding out now that I would have never allowed.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I want to go to Bruce McCain. He is a person who is a former county sheriff. He had some pretty tough words about how this investigation has been handled. Let`s listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BRUCE MCCAIN, FORMER COUNTY SHERIFF: Frankly, to borrow the President`s analogy about driving this into the ditch, this investigation has been in the ditch for some time no. The Sauvie Island searches were basically a PR gig in order to get $200,000 in overtime, which worked, by the way.

 ::snipping2::

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1107/21/ijvm.01.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: cw618 on July 22, 2011, 01:33:12 PM
Kyron Horman: Issues 7/21/11 Part 1  http://www.youtube.com/user/Sierra1947#p/u/3/xj_YGBrq0Wc
Kyron Horman: Issues 7/21/11 Part 2  http://www.youtube.com/user/Sierra1947#p/u/2/bd5QnU4mbTY


TY, Desiree still thinks TH is the guilty party


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: neighbor on July 22, 2011, 04:51:11 PM
I recall also checking out this area Rolf's Hideout as mentioned in the grandfather's book...this is wear I recall seeing the white truck and red car...but was likely nothing but I just recall saving that picture because it was close to the area on Mountain Loop Highway.

Rolf’s Hideout is just off the Mountain Loop highway near Snohomish, Washington. It’s the place just before the wooden bridge if you are traveling south.

http://northwesttales.com/TokensofTrust/RolfsHideout.html

Which is also close to the Masonic Lodge which both of the Hormans...Dad and son (son being the accused child molester)...are a part of.

Do you know if the person is  still actively "a part of" or are they no longer members of the Masonic Lodge, as in a past member?

When Kyron went missing they appeared on the home page or in a board member picture (at the moment I do not recall) of the Masonic Lodge website.  I will see if I can find that and post it. 

Their names were associated with Edmonds Lodge #165.
http://edmondsmasons.org/Membership/TrestleBoards/2009/Trestle%20Board.March%202009.pdf (http://edmondsmasons.org/Membership/TrestleBoards/2009/Trestle%20Board.March%202009.pdf)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: mchenry on July 22, 2011, 07:34:51 PM
Kyron, where are you sweetie? Help us find you.
Please dear God, watch over this little innocent boy.
Send us a sign. Help us find him.


(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/missing18.png)

Amen to that!  ::MonkeyAngel::

O/T: mchenry: Glad to see you again up there in the rafters. I've always appreciated and respected your thoughts.  ::MonkeyKiss::
Thank you Sassi, I just can't forget about this adorable boy. I love to read your posts!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: newsatfive on July 22, 2011, 08:05:25 PM
one more point on Kyron;  I believe Kaine already stated that there was NO DOCTORS APPT scheduled for Kyron at a later date??  Just throwing that out there.


Kaine Horman told KATU that he was aware of Kyron's upcoming doctor's appointment:


Reporter: "Was Kyron supposed to be out of school the following Friday for a doctor's appointment?"

Kaine Horman: "There was some discussion about the appointment but it was unknown exactly when the appointment was scheduled so we cannot comment for certain."

http://www.katu.com/news/local/97904344.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: newsatfive on July 22, 2011, 08:56:40 PM
one more point on Kyron;  I believe Kaine already stated that there was NO DOCTORS APPT scheduled for Kyron at a later date??  Just throwing that out there.


Kaine Horman told KATU that he was aware of Kyron's upcoming doctor's appointment:


Reporter: "Was Kyron supposed to be out of school the following Friday for a doctor's appointment?"

Kaine Horman: "There was some discussion about the appointment but it was unknown exactly when the appointment was scheduled so we cannot comment for certain."

http://www.katu.com/news/local/97904344.html



P.S. I took the reporter's question about "the FOLLOWING Friday (emphasis added)" as interesting.  The way the majority of news outlets have presented information was that Terri Horman allegedly claimed the appointment was for Friday June 4, 2010. 

KATU's reporter was asking specifically about an appointment on Friday June 11, 2010.

Mr. Horman's visible response to the question seemed to indicate that he was caught off guard. (You need to watch the video to see his response.)

What's interesting to me was that Desiree Young and Kaine Horman did a series of media interviews on Friday June 25, 2010, which was prior to the sting. Then, on Wednesday July 1, 2010, Mr. Horman and Ms. Young met with reporters, at which time Mr. Horman laid down "ground rules" for future interviews, and Mr. Horman and Ms. Young compiled "questions submitted in writing" from the reporters and returned with prepared responses to some of the written questions and gave a statement to the reporters who were allowed to attend the press conference, as in everyone got the same information. From the Willamette Week account of the July 1, 2010, press conference, the Oregonian and Willamette Week were barred from the press conference initially, but the Oregonian was allowed to return when Mr. Horman and Ms. Young gave their prepared response.
http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/01/kyron-hormans-family-boots-ww-and-the-oregonian/

Mr. Horman's "ground rules," insistence on giving only written answers, and specific comments about the news coverage, indicated a clear displeasure with investigative reporting about problems within the family and with Terri Moulton Horman.

In my opinion, the rules requiring the media to submit questions in writing, kicking the media out of the press conference site, and finally giving prepared answers and statements seems to indicate that the family was concerned about being caught off guard by impromptu questions. Was there something in the family's comments on June 25, 2010, that was too revealing? Or was this more out of concern regarding news coverage of the failed murder-for-hire sting operation?

Requiring the media to submit their questions in writing, leave the building, then return for prepared responses is extremely unusual. I would be very interested to hear from someone in law enforcement as to the possible reasons someone would make such usual requests.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: newsatfive on July 22, 2011, 09:17:04 PM
I gotta tell ya Monkeys. I'm at a dead lock right now. I am waiting on some information but I can't go with it unless it's been checked out. I'm not giving up, so please don't think that's what I'm doing. I just need more info, and it's coming at a snails pace.

I wouldn't concentrate too much on the therapist post. It was put out there to get a clear understanding of Kyron's personality as seen by people not within the family group. It was just for knowledge and it doesn't help with finding out who made him go poof.

Does anyone remember the name Aleshire, or something like that? I received something referenced to that name. Monkeys?


We have no idea if it has anything to do with it or not as we don't know what happened to him. I guess I am the only one who is seeing beyond the question Ms Porter posed? In my opinion, it does give us an insight into something which has been kept out of the publics eye.

In my opinion, whether Kyron had a perceived disability is relevant for several reasons:

Is Kyron a child who is predisposed to acting a certain way, and therefore more vulnerable to a specific type of person (thus narrowing the suspect pool)?

Was Kyron receiving corrective instruction on behavioral issues, i.e. being told to "listen" to "his elders"? (Desiree Young indicated that this was so.) If so, who qualifies as an "elder" in a school setting, i.e. was Kyron told to listen to school employees or simply to anyone who was an adult?

Did Kyron have a perceived disability that would might make him vulnerable to a specific type of ruse to get him outside of school? If so, does that help narrow the pool of potential suspects?

If there was a perceived disability, who was involved in making a preliminary assessment at the school? Was there anyone in the community, like a tutor or someone claiming to have knowledge of that disability, who may have come into contact with Kyron?

Does anyone know of any psychologists in the Portland area who specialize in independent private disability assessments? If so, is there any pre-appointment paperwork that would be needed from a child's teacher?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: klaasend on July 23, 2011, 05:33:45 PM
Welcome newsatfive  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: cw618 on July 23, 2011, 10:45:16 PM
Quote
newsatfive said
Does anyone know of any psychologists in the Portland area who specialize in independent private disability assessments? If so, is there any pre-appointment paperwork that would be needed from a child's teacher?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9426.msg1452753#msg1452753

welcome newsatfive

my personel experience,is i have a child with ADHD disorder,and her primary physician
referred us to a psychologist,then he summits a report to school board,and now she
has an IEP, and is assessed 2Xs a school yr,for her IEP, hers worked/s pretty much
like in the link,you asked about outside tutors,in my case it was on me to decide
from recommendations,and all i can say it is worth the fee for a criminal check of
the tutor you decide on

What's an IEP?
http://kidshealth.org/parent/growth/learning/iep.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on July 24, 2011, 07:26:50 AM
one more point on Kyron;  I believe Kaine already stated that there was NO DOCTORS APPT scheduled for Kyron at a later date??  Just throwing that out there.


Kaine Horman told KATU that he was aware of Kyron's upcoming doctor's appointment:


Reporter: "Was Kyron supposed to be out of school the following Friday for a doctor's appointment?"

Kaine Horman: "There was some discussion about the appointment but it was unknown exactly when the appointment was scheduled so we cannot comment for certain."

http://www.katu.com/news/local/97904344.html


I got the NO dr's appt set from here.  http://www.katu.com/news/specialreports/122554994.html

snipped;

Sources tell KATU News, Terri Horman led Kyron's teacher to believe he had a doctor's appointment that Friday morning. He didn’t. Kaine says Terri had been focused on Kyron's spaciness.

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Anyway - no point in disputing it.  It is very important information for the prosecution if a case is brought in the future IMO so I will just go with the flow tho I tend to believe no appt was EVER set for Kyron that day or any other within his near future of going missing.  Again JMO.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: melisb on July 24, 2011, 07:52:57 AM
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newsatfive said
Does anyone know of any psychologists in the Portland area who specialize in independent private disability assessments? If so, is there any pre-appointment paperwork that would be needed from a child's teacher?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9426.msg1452753#msg1452753

welcome newsatfive

my personel experience,is i have a child with ADHD disorder,and her primary physician
referred us to a psychologist,then he summits a report to school board,and now she
has an IEP, and is assessed 2Xs a school yr,for her IEP, hers worked/s pretty much
like in the link,you asked about outside tutors,in my case it was on me to decide
from recommendations,and all i can say it is worth the fee for a criminal check of
the tutor you decide on

What's an IEP?
http://kidshealth.org/parent/growth/learning/iep.html

Hi News!  As a Mom of a 24 wk early premie I had ALL the help I could ever want and am so blessed by the way FL handles this situation.  If you have problems finding what you need try calling Children's Home Society, Children's Medical Services (your local Dept. of Children and Families will have these numbers) and if all else fail go to the yellow pages and pick a psyciatrist at random and call a couple.  Look for ones treating children and no doubt someone will point you to the right person.  Also a good neurology center can help.  It's best to get a diagnosis from the MD be it psych or medical.  Besides that you will be right where you need to start from and get a good feel on what your next step will be.  Don't fall for those centers who say they can diagnose those types of conditions as they are only good for just a referral to a doc and then you will have wasted money/copay and still need to go to a doc.  Good luck and don't give up looking cause I know it can get overwhelming at times. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: melisb on July 24, 2011, 08:02:50 AM
Sorry News, forgot to add in if you have paperwork from a teacher requesting a parent should have the child evaluated because of performance/behavior/observed traits of ADD/ADHD it would help the doc in the history of your child but you aren't always required to have that if seeking a diagnosis.  Any paperwork regarding the observance of your child is beneficial but not always needed.  I work in the med field also and it's a fact you can never document too much!!!  Keep any and all paperwork you ever get on your baby and request records from the doctors often.  I did and it helped so much. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: cw618 on July 24, 2011, 08:57:31 AM
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newsatfive said
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9426.msg1452753#msg1452753

In my opinion, whether Kyron had a perceived disability is relevant for several reasons:

Is Kyron a child who is predisposed to acting a certain way, and therefore more vulnerable to a specific type of person (thus narrowing the suspect pool)?

Was Kyron receiving corrective instruction on behavioral issues, i.e. being told to "listen" to "his elders"? (Desiree Young indicated that this was so.) If so, who qualifies as an "elder" in a school setting, i.e. was Kyron told to listen to school employees or simply to anyone who was an adult?

Did Kyron have a perceived disability that would might make him vulnerable to a specific type of ruse to get him outside of school? If so, does that help narrow the pool of potential suspects?

If there was a perceived disability, who was involved in making a preliminary assessment at the school? Was there anyone in the community, like a tutor or someone claiming to have knowledge of that disability, who may have come into contact with Kyron?

Does anyone know of any psychologists in the Portland area who specialize in independent private disability assessments? If so, is there any pre-appointment paperwork that would be needed from a child's teacher?


sorry newsatfive,it was late i misread your post, most of your Qs can be answered at link,but
BC of the heppa laws we will never know kyrons situation at school,unless a fam member talks

What's an IEP?
http://kidshealth.org/parent/growth/learning/iep.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on July 24, 2011, 02:20:32 PM
We know from what Kaine disclosed in his divorce filings that there were issues in the home for the few months before Kyron went missing. ie Terri sleeping or drunk on the couch.
I believe that would have affected Kyron or any normal kiddo.
He did have a vision issue, that might have also been a part of it, him not picking up on things in the classroom right away.
At the begiining there was much talk of his vision issue, going outside and getting lost.
Even if a person whose vision was that bad could become disorientated easily if they fell and couldn't find their glasses.
I had vision problems when I was a child. So I know what it was like being a bit off.

He seemed like a bright engaged child who just might have been affected by the turmoil in the Horman house.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Amys Sister on July 25, 2011, 12:02:26 AM
Agreed, Kat_Gram.

We know Kyron was affected by what was going on in the home because he had called Desiree crying.  Additionally, James moving out would surely have affected him.  There was tension due to Kaine and Terri bickering and pressure at school to make sure he didn't turn any cards so as not to get in trouble.

I assume Ms. Porter saw signs or changes in Kyron's behavior as most teacher's would.  It would be no stretch to imagine her discussing concerns regarding Kyron with another staff member at the school and seeking ideas on how to help him.  What I find interesting is that this took place so late in the year.  I'm sure Kyron had some inkling things were going south and he probably felt anxiety as a result.  Most kids are sensitive to what's going on around them, even if they can't put words to it.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: melisb on July 25, 2011, 07:33:44 AM
Maybe what we don't know is that Ms. Porter was trying to tell the family that Kyron was exhibiting problems that seem to be coming from distress in the home and she asked that he see a professional in that area and TH was trying to keep that secret.  This did not come out right!  Don't know how to say what I'm meaning. I'll have to come back to this later when I can complete my thought!  Well, let me say now that may never happen knowing me!!! lol

Could the teacher have been seeing signs of problems in the home and telling TH or maybe Kyron told a teacher something (maybe not much but enough to worry her)that would make her ask the family to get him some help from a doctor and TH would not want him to tell what he might know or have seen?  Gosh, I just can't seem to get enough Diet Pepsi caffeine in me to get my thoughts together.  Someone hep me, hep me!  Maybe you see where Ima goin?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 25, 2011, 07:39:58 AM
Kyron Horman: Issues 7/21/11 Part 1  http://www.youtube.com/user/Sierra1947#p/u/3/xj_YGBrq0Wc
Kyron Horman: Issues 7/21/11 Part 2  http://www.youtube.com/user/Sierra1947#p/u/2/bd5QnU4mbTY


TY, Desiree still thinks TH is the guilty party

As do I, all along.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on July 25, 2011, 12:43:37 PM
Maybe what we don't know is that Ms. Porter was trying to tell the family that Kyron was exhibiting problems that seem to be coming from distress in the home and she asked that he see a professional in that area and TH was trying to keep that secret.  This did not come out right!  Don't know how to say what I'm meaning. I'll have to come back to this later when I can complete my thought!  Well, let me say now that may never happen knowing me!!! lol

Could the teacher have been seeing signs of problems in the home and telling TH or maybe Kyron told a teacher something (maybe not much but enough to worry her)that would make her ask the family to get him some help from a doctor and TH would not want him to tell what he might know or have seen?  Gosh, I just can't seem to get enough Diet Pepsi caffeine in me to get my thoughts together.  Someone hep me, hep me!  Maybe you see where Ima goin?

LOL!  You make sense to me.  And I agree with you, KatGram and Amys sister.  I'm not thinking medical issue at all unless he was purposely being drugged.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on July 25, 2011, 07:04:12 PM
Hinky Meter on Desiree's new interview with JVM;

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2011/07/23/kyron-horman-case-desiree-young-reveals-more-details-in-jvm-interview/

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Let’s focus on the first bullet point.  If Desiree stated this exactly as she meant to this indicates that they have information of Terri’s activities/communications since Kyron’s disappearance since Desiree’s statement is two part, separating out what they know Terri has been doing versus what she did prior to Kyron’s disappearance.  This is interesting.  I don’t think many of us have thought Terri was simply sitting in her parents’ home for the past year not communicating with anyone in the outside world; particularly in light of the appearance that she spent a great deal of time online prior to Kyron’s disappearance.

___________________________________________________

Yeah, she's probably all over the net and I personally hope it is driving her crazy.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on July 26, 2011, 12:42:21 AM
Agreed, Kat_Gram.

We know Kyron was affected by what was going on in the home because he had called Desiree crying.  Additionally, James moving out would surely have affected him.  There was tension due to Kaine and Terri bickering and pressure at school to make sure he didn't turn any cards so as not to get in trouble.

I assume Ms. Porter saw signs or changes in Kyron's behavior as most teacher's would.  It would be no stretch to imagine her discussing concerns regarding Kyron with another staff member at the school and seeking ideas on how to help him.  What I find interesting is that this took place so late in the year.  I'm sure Kyron had some inkling things were going south and he probably felt anxiety as a result.  Most kids are sensitive to what's going on around them, even if they can't put words to it.
Adding missing quote bracket. MB

As I remember it, Kyron did call Desiree crying.  It was just after he had visited Desiree and was missing her and wanted to stay longer with her.  Also, Terri dialed the number for him so he could talk to his mom.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Amys Sister on July 26, 2011, 04:08:21 AM
Hi Puzzler.

I know that is how Kaine portrayed it in one interview (that Kyron only called once after he had returned from the summer visit with his mom) but IIRC it was stated during another interview that he called Desiree on more than one occasion crying and wanting to be with her and that Terri supported the move but Kaine declined.

If I am able to find the interview I will be sure to post the link to it.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 26, 2011, 09:12:59 AM
Good morning Monkey's!  ::MonkeyKiss::

This was posted on HO's FB. Unless you're a friend of his, you can't see it, so I'll post it here.

https://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=1021431403 (https://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=1021431403)

Gretchen Starika
Harry I still do not know why they do not use you on finding Kyron Horman, what are they hiding or not saying seems so wrong that they do not use you.
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Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Kokos Cat on July 26, 2011, 09:57:48 AM
Good morning Monkey's!  ::MonkeyKiss::

This was posted on HO's FB. Unless you're a friend of his, you can't see it, so I'll post it here.

https://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=1021431403 (https://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=1021431403)

Gretchen Starika
Harry I still do not know why they do not use you on finding Kyron Horman, what are they hiding or not saying seems so wrong that they do not use you.
2 hours ago · LikeUnlike ·

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Thanks Sassi!  Looks like part of the post was cut off (bbm).  When you have a chance can you fill us in on the rest?

Respectfully with many thanks,
Koko   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 26, 2011, 10:43:40 AM
Good morning Monkey's!  ::MonkeyKiss::

This was posted on HO's FB. Unless you're a friend of his, you can't see it, so I'll post it here.

https://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=1021431403 (https://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=1021431403)

Gretchen Starika
Harry I still do not know why they do not use you on finding Kyron Horman, what are they hiding or not saying seems so wrong that they do not use you.
2 hours ago · LikeUnlike ·

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            Harry Oakes They aren't saying anything abou the child's femur we found up on Dixie Mtn Confirmed to be human by ER doctor in Longview hospital. I sure wou...
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Thanks Sassi!  Looks like part of the post was cut off (bbm).  When you have a chance can you fill us in on the rest?

Respectfully with many thanks,
Koko   ::MonkeyKiss::

Hi Koko.  ::MonkeyKiss::

Nope. Not cut off. That's all there was.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on July 26, 2011, 08:47:34 PM
http://photos.oregonlive.com/photo-essay/2011/01/kyron_horman_search_photo_essa.html

This bone or something new?  Not in MSM?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 26, 2011, 09:01:32 PM
http://photos.oregonlive.com/photo-essay/2011/01/kyron_horman_search_photo_essa.html

This bone or something new?  Not in MSM?

Nope. Not the same one. It was a femur. A femur is a thigh bone.It was something HO found.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Femur (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Femur)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 26, 2011, 09:11:04 PM
Just read the update. LE states it wasn't Kyron.

https://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=1021431403 (https://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=1021431403)

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Marilyn S. Bartlett Harry, hope you are well, when was the alleged child's femur found? Was it recently? If so I guess it might take time for DNA tests, etc. to come back for purposes of ID, do you agree?
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Harry Oakes the Child' femur which has been confirmed HUMAN CHILD's FEMUR by one EMT, One ER Doctor, Two Med. Examiner intake officers, was found on Dixie mountain in the woods Dec. 24 2010.
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Marilyn S. Bartlett Wow, that's seven months ago. Do we know if it's been submitted for DNA testing to see if it matches a DNA profile of anyone missing?
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Harry Oakes The cops told the hormans it wasn't their son that's all I know.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on July 26, 2011, 09:15:16 PM
http://photos.oregonlive.com/photo-essay/2011/01/kyron_horman_search_photo_essa.html

This bone or something new?  Not in MSM?

Nope. Not the same one. It was a femur. A femur is a thigh bone.It was something HO found.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Femur (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Femur)

Thanks Sassi.  I know what a femur bone is but thanks for the wiki link anyway.  So if one was found why is it not in the news?  Is it top secret?  Not sure why a bone find would be information that is withheld from the public if true regardless of pending DNA results.  Does not sound normal to me....something hinky there for sure?!

Guess HO knows and we will have to wait and see.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on July 26, 2011, 09:20:44 PM
Sassifrass,  forgot my manners, thank you for the info regardless. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 26, 2011, 09:30:35 PM
http://photos.oregonlive.com/photo-essay/2011/01/kyron_horman_search_photo_essa.html

This bone or something new?  Not in MSM?

Nope. Not the same one. It was a femur. A femur is a thigh bone.It was something HO found.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Femur (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Femur)


Thanks Sassi.  I know what a femur bone is but thanks for the wiki link anyway.  So if one was found why is it not in the news?  Is it top secret?  Not sure why a bone find would be information that is withheld from the public if true regardless of pending DNA results.  Does not sound normal to me....something hinky there for sure?!

Guess HO knows and we will have to wait and see.


ITA. Going to follow up with HO. Fill you in if I find something


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: neighbor on July 26, 2011, 09:42:32 PM
Just read the update. LE states it wasn't Kyron.

https://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=1021431403 (https://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=1021431403)

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Marilyn S. Bartlett Harry, hope you are well, when was the alleged child's femur found? Was it recently? If so I guess it might take time for DNA tests, etc. to come back for purposes of ID, do you agree?
9 hours ago · LikeUnlike
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Harry Oakes the Child' femur which has been confirmed HUMAN CHILD's FEMUR by one EMT, One ER Doctor, Two Med. Examiner intake officers, was found on Dixie mountain in the woods Dec. 24 2010.
6 hours ago · LikeUnlike
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Marilyn S. Bartlett Wow, that's seven months ago. Do we know if it's been submitted for DNA testing to see if it matches a DNA profile of anyone missing?
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Harry Oakes The cops told the hormans it wasn't their son that's all I know.

TY.
It is time LE does a post mortum of how the Miranda and Ashley case was handled? 

"Only a fool learns from his own mistakes. The wise man learns from the mistakes of others."
-- Otto von Bismarck


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on July 26, 2011, 10:51:04 PM
Hi Puzzler.

I know that is how Kaine portrayed it in one interview (that Kyron only called once after he had returned from the summer visit with his mom) but IIRC it was stated during another interview that he called Desiree on more than one occasion crying and wanting to be with her and that Terri supported the move but Kaine declined.

If I am able to find the interview I will be sure to post the link to it.

Hi, Amy's Sister:

If my memory serves me correctly, I remember Desiree commenting about Terri calling her so that Kyron could talk with her because he was upset. 

I also recall the comments you mentioned in your post that Kaine made. 



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Kokos Cat on July 27, 2011, 03:08:23 AM
Sassi, thanks again!

Neighbor, ITA!

Koko   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 27, 2011, 05:46:12 PM
I have several things I have to post.

So, this is what we need to look at.

Description of male seen with Kyron: Male, late 20's to mid 30's, physically fit. possibly with some facial hair.
__________________________________

From day one of the 2010/2011 Skyline school year, LE (?) had people sitting outside of the school and across the street at the church. I have pics and think I sent them to Klaas, but if I didn't, I'll send them to her to confirm. Who were they looking at or what were they looking for?
_____________________________________

There were 2 males in a maroon sedan car (looked Hispanic) parked in the back parking lot. Both appeared to look in their 20's or 30's.
_________________________________

What ever anyone can dig up would help. For Kyron.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: labubske on July 27, 2011, 05:53:14 PM
I have several things I have to post.

So, this is what we need to look at.

Description of male seen with Kyron: Male, late 20's to mid 30's, physically fit. possibly with some facial hair.
__________________________________

From day one of the 2010/2011 Skyline school year, LE (?) had people sitting outside of the school and across the street at the church. I have pics and think I sent them to Klaas, but if I didn't, I'll send them to her to confirm. Who were they looking at or what were they looking for?
_____________________________________

There were 2 males in a maroon sedan car (looked Hispanic) parked in the back parking lot. Both appeared to look in their 20's or 30's.
_________________________________

What ever anyone can dig up would help. For Kyron.  ::MonkeyAngel::


When I get back from church I will help with what I can.  I have been working behind the scenes trying to pull up things that I have followed in the past.  I keep a headache lately and it makes it difficult to follow through.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Kokos Cat on July 27, 2011, 06:08:58 PM
Thanks Sassi,

I'll look at this tonight!

 ::MonkeyKiss::

Lab,
I hope you feel better.  Thanks for your help...

 ::MonkeyAngel::
Onward!

Koko



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Amys Sister on July 27, 2011, 10:25:32 PM
Sassifrass, do you know, or are you able to say, the assumed ethnicity of the male in the school?



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Jazzy on July 28, 2011, 12:19:55 AM
Does anyone know if they searched caves I remember in Terri's sex-texting to that guy she made a comment she couldn't get a picture inside the cave. Its always been in the back of my mind maybe she put him in a cave and had plans of ransoming him but when she went back to check on him he was dead?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Kokos Cat on July 28, 2011, 12:54:26 AM
Shucks, Sassi, I plumb furgot I had plans for tonight AND tomorrow   ::MonkeyNoNo::
  Won't bee able to research this until after my return by which time the work may be done!  Sorry!  I will bee in touch ASAP & see what remains to bee done.   ::CowboySmiley::

Best,

K. Cat


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: monchichi on July 28, 2011, 01:26:18 AM
I found this raw video of Sheriff Staton that I had not seen before.  It's about 14 minutes long.  It says it was posted Feb. 10, but I don't know when the video was made.  I wish someone had asked him about DAD.

http://www.kgw.com/video?id=97702674&sec=773704


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: cw618 on July 28, 2011, 01:49:46 PM
mr whatley says there are still searches for kyron,nice to know,im not on FB, and
thank you for the info mr whatley

Claudell Whatley I am here in Oregon and the latest is...they are still searching and actively investigating this case. The LAST thing that I want to see is the DA's office feeling pressured or jump the gun like they did the Casey Anthony case and lose the whole thing. Who ever is responsible needs to be held to account for it, but keep one thing in mind....ITS NOT WHAT YOU KNOW, ITS WHAT YOU CAN PROVE. Lets pray that the state can prove its case before an arrest is made. And lets pray that Kyron is found and questions are answered. ♥ Kyron.
Yesterday at 3:21am ·
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Missing-Kyron-Horman/125336750831264


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 28, 2011, 08:26:16 PM
I have several things I have to post.

So, this is what we need to look at.

Description of male seen with Kyron: Male, late 20's to mid 30's, physically fit. possibly with some facial hair. This man was a person that walked in the school and asked a child, that looked like and probably was Kyron (who was in the electronic display room looking down at the table), to go outside and help him carry stuff in from his for him. He DID NOT look like a parent.He, reluctantly went. This could explain the rumors of Kyron being seen carrying something into the school. That person was not seen again. Don't forget the white truck that a BOC posted about pointing towards skyline blvd.

Please remember that some of Terri's friends were in that age range of late 20's to mid 30's. I can't give you a better description because that's all I was given.
__________________________________

From day one of the 2010/2011 Skyline school year, LE (?) had people sitting outside of the school and across the street at the church. I have pics and think I sent them to Klaas, but if I didn't, I'll send them to her to confirm. Who were they looking at or what were they looking for?
_____________________________________

There were 2 males in a maroon sedan car (looked Hispanic) parked in the back parking lot. Both appeared to look in their 20's or 30's. This was a separate , sighting that morning at approximately 8:33am or so. 2 men in a maroon sedan were sitting in the back parking lot blocking parked cars. They may or may not have been tied to the 1st paragraph man.
_________________________________

What ever anyone can dig up would help. For Kyron.  ::MonkeyAngel::

One other thing I wanted to add was that there was another man that left with a child in the north door and Easter Mathews nodded at him as if she knew him. It didn't appear to be the same man as the first.

Another snippet: Susan Hall was standing outside the North entrance at 8:30 am


I'm replying to my own post because of some questions on BOC. I realize I didn't explain myself well so I'm going to jump in my own box above to explain. I'm not holding back any more. What is posted above in response to my post is the most precise info of that day on June 4th, 2010, when Kyron went poof. My extended info will be in blue.

After this I am taking a step back to concentrate on my health. If you have further questions, you can email me.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: labubske on July 28, 2011, 11:47:17 PM
Just want you all to know that I am researching...but, haven't come up with anything at the moment.  I haven't forgotten.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: malty on July 29, 2011, 01:50:37 AM
Just want to say Sassi Thanks
Very interesting
Post


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: cw618 on July 29, 2011, 10:33:23 AM
wow thats funny sassi,the other day i started looking for you,and happened to find these names
i know it may be nothing but just same last names,ya never know though

sex offenders with same surname as persons off the list,of
ADULTS AND NON-STUDENT CHILDREN AT SKYLINE SCHOOL BETWEEN 8-12 on JUNE 4, 2010:
my criteria for sex offenders search was, race: white,age: 20-35,sex: male,city: portland

the list
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9183.msg1279225#msg1279225

portland sex offenders
http://sexoffenders.oregon.gov/SorPublic/Web.dll/main

the list name.....Hall,Susan

offender name....HALL, ANDREW CHARLES 10/31/1984 Targets: Adolescent and adult males and females
http://sexoffenders.oregon.gov/SorPublic/Web.dll/main?S=48813999225&cmd=SHOW_BULLETIN&I=17455

the list name/s.....Johnson, Kim ,Johnson-Koziuk, Kimla
 
offender name....JOHNSON, JOEL DAVID 3/7/1979 Targets: Teen females
http://sexoffenders.oregon.gov/SorPublic/Web.dll/main?S=48813999225&cmd=SHOW_BULLETIN&I=7058


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on July 29, 2011, 01:14:07 PM
Call me skeptical as usual but why would LE, FBI, and all the many many involved in this case not have mentioned this mystery man alledgedly seen at the school talking with a boy who looked like Kyron and asking him for assistance in the parking lot on the day he went poof?

Don't you think this would of come up atleast once or twice by now?  This did not happen in a tunnel with only two people present; Kyron and perp.  I believe there were 490 people on the list at that school that day and we are to believe that some unknown person saw all of this and has not told anyone but a few???  NO LE?  No FBI?  Not even Kyron's parents?  Are they involved also??? 

OK, ok, no offense intended to anyone but not buying it. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 29, 2011, 02:07:09 PM
Call me skeptical as usual but why would LE, FBI, and all the many many involved in this case not have mentioned this mystery man alledgedly seen at the school talking with a boy who looked like Kyron and asking him for assistance in the parking lot on the day he went poof?

Don't you think this would of come up atleast once or twice by now?  This did not happen in a tunnel with only two people present; Kyron and perp.  I believe there were 490 people on the list at that school that day and we are to believe that some unknown person saw all of this and has not told anyone but a few???  NO LE?  No FBI?  Not even Kyron's parents?  Are they involved also??? 

OK, ok, no offense intended to anyone but not buying it. 

FCL: I think you know my work by now. I don't put chit out there, and I do my due-diligence when checking information. Klaas was made aware this info also.

To answer your question, YES, LE and FBI were told.

I'm sorry, but that sounded like an insult to me and I think it's bs.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on July 29, 2011, 05:49:01 PM
Call me skeptical as usual but why would LE, FBI, and all the many many involved in this case not have mentioned this mystery man alledgedly seen at the school talking with a boy who looked like Kyron and asking him for assistance in the parking lot on the day he went poof?

Don't you think this would of come up atleast once or twice by now?  This did not happen in a tunnel with only two people present; Kyron and perp.  I believe there were 490 people on the list at that school that day and we are to believe that some unknown person saw all of this and has not told anyone but a few???  NO LE?  No FBI?  Not even Kyron's parents?  Are they involved also??? 

OK, ok, no offense intended to anyone but not buying it. 

I understand what you are getting at fatlurker. It is no offense to you Sass but it seems odd this has not been made public before or at least a sketch of the person or what he was wearing, driving, etc...If what you had been told is true, then this investigation has been run by the worse of the worse in LE. But thank you for posting it for all of us to think about. To consider this to be factual fits with many of the scenarios that has been thrown out on this forum.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on July 29, 2011, 06:01:03 PM
Maybe what we don't know is that Ms. Porter was trying to tell the family that Kyron was exhibiting problems that seem to be coming from distress in the home and she asked that he see a professional in that area and TH was trying to keep that secret.  This did not come out right!  Don't know how to say what I'm meaning. I'll have to come back to this later when I can complete my thought!  Well, let me say now that may never happen knowing me!!! lol

Could the teacher have been seeing signs of problems in the home and telling TH or maybe Kyron told a teacher something (maybe not much but enough to worry her)that would make her ask the family to get him some help from a doctor and TH would not want him to tell what he might know or have seen?  Gosh, I just can't seem to get enough Diet Pepsi caffeine in me to get my thoughts together.  Someone hep me, hep me!  Maybe you see where Ima goin?

LOL!  You make sense to me.  And I agree with you, KatGram and Amys sister.  I'm not thinking medical issue at all unless he was purposely being drugged.

Children of abuse often times are quiet and timid, lack focus and attention. There could be many reasons why Kyron was this way and I do believe there is a reason he was this way. All I was getting at and I wish it would be understood, was the teacher trying to help Kyron all year long and was met with opposition from Kaine or Terri either because of denial or because something was being covered up. Or was she seeing new behaviors in Kyron?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: neighbor on July 29, 2011, 06:20:27 PM
Maybe what we don't know is that Ms. Porter was trying to tell the family that Kyron was exhibiting problems that seem to be coming from distress in the home and she asked that he see a professional in that area and TH was trying to keep that secret.  This did not come out right!  Don't know how to say what I'm meaning. I'll have to come back to this later when I can complete my thought!  Well, let me say now that may never happen knowing me!!! lol

Could the teacher have been seeing signs of problems in the home and telling TH or maybe Kyron told a teacher something (maybe not much but enough to worry her)that would make her ask the family to get him some help from a doctor and TH would not want him to tell what he might know or have seen?  Gosh, I just can't seem to get enough Diet Pepsi caffeine in me to get my thoughts together.  Someone hep me, hep me!  Maybe you see where Ima goin?

LOL!  You make sense to me.  And I agree with you, KatGram and Amys sister.  I'm not thinking medical issue at all unless he was purposely being drugged.

Children of abuse often times are quiet and timid, lack focus and attention. There could be many reasons why Kyron was this way and I do believe there is a reason he was this way. All I was getting at and I wish it would be understood, was the teacher trying to help Kyron all year long and was met with opposition from Kaine or Terri either because of denial or because something was being covered up. Or was she seeing new behaviors in Kyron?

Same could apply to his older stepbrother.  He found an alternate reality by reading books.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html) reported
Quote
Terri’s son James was a voracious reader, spending more than 16 hours a week absorbed in books, he said.  But he wasn't a good student. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: pharlap on July 29, 2011, 06:33:20 PM
Tks for the link....http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html)

Did you guys read the whole article? 
Jmo, seems like she's kind of a nut..... ::MonkeyShocked::
Don't know a lot about this case, when did this child go missing this year right?
 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: cw618 on July 29, 2011, 06:36:03 PM
hi neighbor,i had asked b4 about the auditorium/gym, if there are stairs that go
downstairs to the cafe area,id have to go look for the post,but is it possible
to get down there from inside the auditorium/gym, TIA


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 29, 2011, 06:37:42 PM
Ya know, some of you posters just pizz's me off. Everyone was screaming, "why doesn't MCSO release more info". I put something out there that was credible and that was not released by LE, but reported to LE, and you question it as though I'm making this up.

Your insults to me and my information that I post are insulting to say the least.

How about this. How about instead of ridiculing someone that has been working on this case very hard, YOU go out there and do some sleuthing. You have such a negative tone and I'm sick of it.

At least I am doing something to try and bring Kyron home to his momma.

I'm out of here. YOU do the damn work. YOU find Kyron instead of shooting insults.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: cw618 on July 29, 2011, 06:39:15 PM
Tks for the link....http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html)

Did you guys read the whole article? 
Jmo, seems like she's kind of a nut..... ::MonkeyShocked::
Don't know a lot about this case, when did this child go missing this year right?
 ::MonkeyEek::

kyron went missing from school 6/4/2010,there was a science fair going on that day
he was last seen by terri horman/stepmom at 8:45 am


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: pharlap on July 29, 2011, 06:59:45 PM
Tks for the link....http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html)

Did you guys read the whole article? 
Jmo, seems like she's kind of a nut..... ::MonkeyShocked::
Don't know a lot about this case, when did this child go missing this year right?
 ::MonkeyEek::

kyron went missing from school 6/4/2010,there was a science fair going on that day
he was last seen by terri horman/stepmom at 8:45 am

Tks, sad not a lot of news reporters doing this story or I might of missed them.
Are both parents still looking for the boy???


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Kokos Cat on July 29, 2011, 07:11:46 PM
Sassi & Monks,

There is a lot of information that hasn't been shared by LE, as we all know.  Hell, there's some very critical information that hasn't been PURSUED by LE, even when hand fed to them.  That doesn't make it any less valuable or true. 

I try to roll and scroll on past the posts that are distracting to our goal:  TO FIND KYRON.  (Not that I don't snap once in a while and let it fly... ;) --

Thanks for the info, it could explain a lot. 

Onward...

Koko

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on July 29, 2011, 07:49:01 PM
Ya know, some of you posters just pizz's me off. Everyone was screaming, "why doesn't MCSO release more info". I put something out there that was credible and that was not released by LE, but reported to LE, and you question it as though I'm making this up.

Your insults to me and my information that I post are insulting to say the least.

How about this. How about instead of ridiculing someone that has been working on this case very hard, YOU go out there and do some sleuthing. You have such a negative tone and I'm sick of it.

At least I am doing something to try and bring Kyron home to his momma.

I'm out of here. YOU do the damn work. YOU find Kyron instead of shooting insults.

Sass I don't think anyone ridiculed you or insulted you, so not sure what has you so upset. I have to give you fair warning, I don't ever believe anything I read on this site without first researching on my own and I would expect anyone who may read what I may put out there to research it for themselves as well. That's not insulting.... the information as is, is unverifiable. We don't know who saw this, what time it was seen, and if LE has taken any kind of action regarding it. IMHO if true and there has not been a sketch released, it is bad police work. A sketch is not so uncommon to not expect it. So as far as I am concerned, there is an unknown person claiming to have seen Kyron with a man. Ok, if true it is interesting and goes along with what many have theorised to be what happened.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 29, 2011, 10:33:40 PM
Ya know, some of you posters just pizz's me off. Everyone was screaming, "why doesn't MCSO release more info". I put something out there that was credible and that was not released by LE, but reported to LE, and you question it as though I'm making this up.

Your insults to me and my information that I post are insulting to say the least.

How about this. How about instead of ridiculing someone that has been working on this case very hard, YOU go out there and do some sleuthing. You have such a negative tone and I'm sick of it.

At least I am doing something to try and bring Kyron home to his momma.

I'm out of here. YOU do the damn work. YOU find Kyron instead of shooting insults.

Sass I don't think anyone ridiculed you or insulted you, so not sure what has you so upset. I have to give you fair warning, I don't ever believe anything I read on this site without first researching on my own and I would expect anyone who may read what I may put out there to research it for themselves as well. That's not insulting.... the information as is, is unverifiable. We don't know who saw this, what time it was seen, and if LE has taken any kind of action regarding it. IMHO if true and there has not been a sketch released, it is bad police work. A sketch is not so uncommon to not expect it. So as far as I am concerned, there is an unknown person claiming to have seen Kyron with a man. Ok, if true it is interesting and goes along with what many have theorised to be what happened.

TG: On the contrary, it has been verified. You state that you try and verify it yourself. I have NOT seen that.

Personally, I feel you take your personal feelings + what is out there from LE + a bit of the bio parents, and make assumptions.

I have not seen any sleuthing from you. All I see is criticism.

You have access to background info. Why don't you use it.

I've checked and re-checked the info sent to me and the source. I'm not an idiot.

I stand by my post' no matter what you or anyone else thinks. I'm here to find Kyron and it would be much easier without the crap that is being thrown out there.

Also, if you don't believe anything posted on this site, then maybe you shouldn't be reading this thread.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: neighbor on July 29, 2011, 11:45:40 PM
hi neighbor,i had asked b4 about the auditorium/gym, if there are stairs that go
downstairs to the cafe area,id have to go look for the post,but is it possible
to get down there from inside the auditorium/gym, TIA

It is a bit hard to find, but it is called "Skyline Elementary School, 11536 NW Skyline Road 97231, Facility Plan", it is from 2004 or so, and probably still "somewhere" on the PPS site.  IIRC on the left of the stage, are stairs that lead to the parking in the back, and continue towards the cafeteria.  A more recent plan is at available at
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/files/schoolmodernization/Skyline_ILS.pdf (http://www.pps.k12.or.us/files/schoolmodernization/Skyline_ILS.pdf)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: melisb on July 30, 2011, 08:48:40 AM
U are very appreciated Sassi and don't you dare go anywhere cuz we all know Klaas wouldn't let you spew mindless unchecked garbage all over her forum!  Nuff said and you go right ahead and do what you were doing!  All opinions, comments, observations and suggestions are welcomed and encouraged and we are all family here so let's be nice!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: labubske on July 30, 2011, 10:09:52 AM
I am definitely researching...but, I think that I may remain behind the scenes in this thread...it seems heated. I will post as I find things of interest.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: klaasend on July 30, 2011, 11:23:01 AM
Sass has been working very hard on this case, harder than anyone on this site.   I trust and respect her work on this case. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on July 30, 2011, 04:36:40 PM
Sass this is not a competition nor it is not about the hours spent on the computer. Of course I take my personal experience and use what I can of that to point me in certain directions, I think we all do. I am going to stay on this thread because I have been here from the day we all heard about little Kyron Horman. I wonder how many hours I have spent? I have no idea nor do I keep track nor do I really expect to be awarded any sort of recognition for it. I am here because I feel a connection to this case as I did Sandra's, Ambers, Chelsea's, Lindsey's and so many more.

Lets all work together to help find Kyron. We don't have to agree on everything, or at least in my opinion I don't. 

BTW, yes I do have a site I use to do background checks. If anyone needs someone run then send me the name and I will see what I come up with.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on July 30, 2011, 04:38:03 PM
I am definitely researching...but, I think that I may remain behind the scenes in this thread...it seems heated. I will post as I find things of interest.

Yea I do most of my work off site and I email with a few people. If anything of interest is found I post.
Off topic,

Do you ever look into Kat Smiley anymore?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: labubske on July 30, 2011, 04:45:08 PM
I am definitely researching...but, I think that I may remain behind the scenes in this thread...it seems heated. I will post as I find things of interest.

Yea I do most of my work off site and I email with a few people. If anything of interest is found I post.
Off topic,

Do you ever look into Kat Smiley anymore?

I check in and out with that case. It still really bugs me...and I personally believe there was foul play. I keep up with Rob as well. Such a sad case...what about you?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Kokos Cat on July 30, 2011, 05:46:46 PM
....respectfully snipped.....
BTW, yes I do have a site I use to do background checks. If anyone needs someone run then send me the name and I will see what I come up with.

Thanks Tracygirl.  Would we send it via email or post it here or ???

Many thanks...

K. Cat


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on July 30, 2011, 06:22:17 PM
....respectfully snipped.....
BTW, yes I do have a site I use to do background checks. If anyone needs someone run then send me the name and I will see what I come up with.

Thanks Tracygirl.  Would we send it via email or post it here or ???

Many thanks...

K. Cat

If you can post the name here that would be ok.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on July 30, 2011, 06:30:05 PM
I am definitely researching...but, I think that I may remain behind the scenes in this thread...it seems heated. I will post as I find things of interest.

Yea I do most of my work off site and I email with a few people. If anything of interest is found I post.
Off topic,

Do you ever look into Kat Smiley anymore?

I check in and out with that case. It still really bugs me...and I personally believe there was foul play. I keep up with Rob as well. Such a sad case...what about you?

Yea me too. I think what gets to me the most is a little 7 year old boy died and it doesn't seem to matter to anyone other then a few internet posters. He is why I logged onto to this thread actually considering Washington is not far from Oregon and both boys wore/wear glasses and the same age. Anyhow, just wondering..now back to Kyron

 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: monchichi on July 30, 2011, 07:46:32 PM
The Wall of Hope is moving again.  Sigh.  I don't think this is a good sign.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I hope they will still have a camera there, watching who's visiting, just in case.

http://www.kptv.com/story/15178320/kyrons-wall-of-hope-moving-to-beaverton-gym


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on July 30, 2011, 10:26:42 PM
Sassifrass - no insult intended towards you and I am sorry if you took it that way.  My intention was towards the information in general that was brought here to be discussed (I assume?) by you. 

It is beyond ridiculous if what is posted is true.  That anyone other than Terri per her own email saw Kyron with a strange male that day and the public has not been made aware of that information and possible future threat to their children after all this time is not acceptable.  For Terri to say it and nothing to be done about it is one thing but to have "another source" also say it is something entirely different.  It creates many questions in my mind as to "why" that I could go on for days about.

I come here for Kyron whether or not I am out there searching stuff on the net or physically searching. 

I appreciate what you do and say as well as all the others who come here for Kyron but that does not mean I will comment always to your liking nor do I expect the same from fellow posters.  I previously stated I am a skeptic especially about information not MSM that suddenly appears and I guess that's all I can say about that.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: monchichi on July 30, 2011, 10:37:43 PM
I have several things I have to post.

So, this is what we need to look at.

Description of male seen with Kyron: Male, late 20's to mid 30's, physically fit. possibly with some facial hair.
__________________________________

From day one of the 2010/2011 Skyline school year, LE (?) had people sitting outside of the school and across the street at the church. I have pics and think I sent them to Klaas, but if I didn't, I'll send them to her to confirm. Who were they looking at or what were they looking for?
_____________________________________

There were 2 males in a maroon sedan car (looked Hispanic) parked in the back parking lot. Both appeared to look in their 20's or 30's.
_________________________________

What ever anyone can dig up would help. For Kyron.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Hi Sassi~

I thought the maroon sedan sounded familiar.  I found this little bit about it in the comments of this article, which I cut down to just the last few lines.  I think I have heard of the maroon car somewhere else and will keep looking.

http://www.kgw.com/home/Sheriff-No-evidence-Kyron-Horman-is-not-alive-103003704.html

"anonymous2uiam said on September 19, 2010 at 12:25 AM

 ...Has Kaine been upfront with the big stick carriers? Who knows? Depends on what he has to hide, if anything. What about the maroon car? Anyone more on that or are they keeping that under wraps?."


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: labubske on July 30, 2011, 11:37:28 PM
The mention of a maroon colored car or sedan reminds me of this:

http://www.wweek.com/portland/print-blog-777-print.html  (I had actually found this email in a better place...but tonight this is the best I found).

Here's the main portion of an email McCain sent:


    This morning around 9:00 am I received a telephone call from Mark DeWitt, a 51-year old single farmer who lives in Riddle, Oregon. ... When I took his call he expressed relief in “finally talking to a human” after leaving unanswered calls to the MCSO tip line. I told him I no longer worked at MCSO and I am not part of the investigation at all. He understood that but asked me to pass this info along to the authorities.

    DeWitt told me he was driving on 99W near Junction City around noon on Wednesday, June 9–the same day Captain Mike Shults delivered his press statement without the families present. DeWitt said a white pick-up truck driven by a female with brown or reddish hair came up fast behind him. He noticed in his rear view mirror that a boy with short dark hair and glasses kept popping his head up in the front seat, only to have the driver push his head down. The pick-up passed DeWitt and turned on a gravel road near an old mill site in or near the town of Monroe, Oregon. DeWitt said the pickup turned onto a side road where it stopped to meet a “cranberry” color sedan from which a heavy set red head female and a male wearing a baseball cap emerged. DeWitt said the pickup driver got out and took the boy into a heavily wooded area where they were followed by the other two–with the male carrying a shovel he removed from the sedan trunk.

    DeWitt continued into town where he stopped at a gas station to ask for directions to his destination, which I think was a grain elevator for seed. While out of his vehicle, DeWitt said he heard what sounded like a single gun shot coming from the general vicinity of where he saw the three adults and boy. DeWitt then said he later pulled into a rest area on 99W to use the rest room. As he was heading back onto the road, he was behind a slow moving motor home that was pulling onto the highway. DeWitt said he then saw the pickup again speeding with the sedan behind it about to collide with the motor home. He said the truck slammed on its brakes and barely stopped short of colliding with the motor home, but the sedan skidded and collided with the rear of the white pickup. DeWitt said it was not a major crash, but the sedan might have some slight front end damage and the pickup might show signs of a “paint swap” in the rear.

    DeWitt said he does not watch much television and did not put all of these pieces together until he started following the Kyron story on the news. He said he has called the tip line three times, but with no answer. He also said he reported the incident to a “Eugene Deputy” (not sure if Eugene PD or Lane County Sheriff) shortly thereafter, but before he realized the possible significance of what he saw. I asked him what he wanted me to do with this information and he just wants a “real person” to go check the area – which he says he has since revisited. I told him that's not a good idea since it might be a crime scene.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: labubske on July 31, 2011, 12:04:23 AM
I only posted that old article regarding the possible sighting of Kyron (one of many as always) because of the mention of a maroon vehicle. I am not entirely certain that it has been discounted by police. There is so much information to look through so I want to ask...do we have pictures of David Durhams vehicle anywhere? I ask this because the man reporting the incident states that a woman is driving the car...David had long hair. Though Sassi mentions earlier that those sitting in the car were men with facial hair (he could have had his hair pulled up...or not even been a part of sitting in the car that day...being that this reportedly happened on the 9th of June). How about any of the other people that have been looked at?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: labubske on July 31, 2011, 12:08:41 AM
Just found what I was looking for in regards to David Durham...

Dodds was shot multiple times after stopping Durham's 1984 Dodge truck on Sunday.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/oregon-town-fearful-manhunt-alleged-cop-shooter-continues/story?id=12758279

Unless he had another vehicle.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: monchichi on July 31, 2011, 12:56:49 AM
male, 20 to 30, physically fit?  could it be someone from the gym?  someone from the bodybuilding world?  i wonder if any of TMH's electronic correspondance was w/ anyone from the gym?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on July 31, 2011, 05:43:06 AM
Did you guys see this Maxine Bernstein article about a little boy who fell down a steel slope and his father went after him and saved him from falling further and into water below - all of which was witnessed by a person with a familiar name.

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2011/07/salem_father_leaps_after_young_son_when_child_slips_from_silver_falls_trail.html



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on July 31, 2011, 09:01:49 AM
Kyron’s Wall of Hope moving to Beaverton gym

http://www.kptv.com/story/15178320/kyrons-wall-of-hope-moving-to-beaverton-gym



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Monkey King on July 31, 2011, 06:29:34 PM
Kyron’s Wall of Hope moving to Beaverton gym

http://www.kptv.com/story/15178320/kyrons-wall-of-hope-moving-to-beaverton-gym



Why are they moving it again?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: monchichi on July 31, 2011, 10:20:12 PM
Did you guys see this Maxine Bernstein article about a little boy who fell down a steel slope and his father went after him and saved him from falling further and into water below - all of which was witnessed by a person with a familiar name.

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2011/07/salem_father_leaps_after_young_son_when_child_slips_from_silver_falls_trail.html



OK, now that's just strange. Some people just can't stay out of the papers!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on August 01, 2011, 12:10:14 PM
male, 20 to 30, physically fit?  could it be someone from the gym?  someone from the bodybuilding world?  i wonder if any of TMH's electronic correspondance was w/ anyone from the gym?

Could be.  When Terri was working out for her bodybuilding competition she probably spent alot of time at the gym.  It's said that she lost 62 pds in 4 months...that is a lot of weight in a short amount of time even if she was popping lots of fat burners, not sure it wasn't something a little more potent than that. 

Something stronger would be the connection because than the person dispensing the product could be blackmailed into other stuff or he/she already had a criminal mind.  This is a theory I saw floated about early on SM, I think we have someone involved w/bodybuilding who said it couldn't be but I'm not so sure.  People do stuff all the time that others assume they'ed never do; everyone has an agenda.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on August 01, 2011, 12:15:10 PM
Did you guys see this Maxine Bernstein article about a little boy who fell down a steel slope and his father went after him and saved him from falling further and into water below - all of which was witnessed by a person with a familiar name.

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2011/07/salem_father_leaps_after_young_son_when_child_slips_from_silver_falls_trail.html



OK, now that's just strange. Some people just can't stay out of the papers!

Out of all the characters; he gives me the willies.  I wonder if it could be a publicity stunt for his FOP cause?  I can't help but be negative about him now.   


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on August 01, 2011, 12:25:23 PM
I am not sure if this has been posted before but here it is again just in case anyone missed it.  It is a petition asking that the 3 remaining sites be searched now. 

http://www.change.org/petitions/please-sign-share-this-petition-searches-need-to-be-completed-for-kyron-horman


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on August 01, 2011, 01:07:47 PM
Kyron’s Wall of Hope moving to Beaverton gym

http://www.kptv.com/story/15178320/kyrons-wall-of-hope-moving-to-beaverton-gym



Why are they moving it again?

Not sure but from poking around at their site it seems they have a couple of construction projects going on at some stations; not sure which ones are involved?  Here's the link.

http://www.tvfr.com/default.aspx


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on August 01, 2011, 05:17:59 PM
Just popped in to make a few comments regarding comments on BOC.

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/#comments (http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/#comments)

Regardless of what was stated, that my info that was posted here on SM, I stand by that information. This, and I didn't post ALL of the info, was a first hand account of the happenings at the SF at Skyline School, the day Kyron went poof. If you discredit part of it, you have to discredit all of it, and I don't believe that is the case here. I firmly believe in the info provided and the source is VERY credible.

What I posted was not an assumption or a theory. I checked my facts before I posted. If someone is discrediting info that I stated on SM, then maybe their facts need to be rechecked.

I respect all of the poster's on both sites, but let's get to the nitty griddy. Why are we here? To find Kyron. You can sleuth until your face turns blue, but to ignore information because one or so person's say it's untrue, would be an injustice to Kyron. Please don't ignore what is front of you.

I think the comment by Desiree that was said on the JVM interview, per BOC poster, “We’ve ruled out every other person that was even involved at the school that day or not involved at the school that day”. was taken out of context. I believe, IMO, that she was stating that the known people who are on the list that day, have been cleared. The not involved people, I believe she meant people like delivery drivers, etc. I wouldn't read too much into that statement. However, there were unknown persons there. The person(s) who took Kyron, and they have yet to be identified.

Anyhoo, back to lurking and getting those weeds out of my yard and garden.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: cw618 on August 01, 2011, 06:20:47 PM
 ::snipping2:: from
Quote
However, there were unknown persons there.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9426.msg1455917#msg1455917

i thought about that when the list was published,like someone dropping
someone off,like another child,and that person could not,or just did not
attend the SF, TH timeline has, had me fuzzled, from the beginning, bc
of how tight it was,like how far can you go in, an hr & a 1/2,and still get
back to the gym,and do something to kyron,an make it so he can not be
found in over a yr, im still thinking TH had something to do with kyrons
disappearance, its just hard as hill, to connect her to it


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on August 01, 2011, 11:30:09 PM
Everytime I hear that LE checked out everybody at the school that day, I always think that they couldn't possible be sure that they know every person that was there that day.  There were no cameras.  A dozen people could have driven into the school area without anyone noticing them.  There were no assigned people to be on watch of the road and parking area.  Any number of people and vehicles could have been present without having been seen or noticed that morning IMO.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on August 02, 2011, 01:58:01 AM
Sassi I don't post on BOC and very rarely read Kyron there.  I got lost somewhere between the alledged MFH plot gone bad and the sexting telephone # snafu over there.  And just now going over and reading the link you left I got lost in a debate about Terri's alledged time stamped receipt for FM which is really a mute point since they(LE) have tapes showing her at both that day at this point IIRC... 

Anyway, I don't think anyone is preventing you from posting anything.  Like you we are all here for Kyron and we do all have our own thoughts, theories and opinions that also can be given and hashed over.  We really have little else at this point.

Even what Desiree stated is very subjective to each person here; unless you are Desiree.  I tend to agree tho that someone could have slipped thru a crack.  I just have a difficult time with the LE-public safety part of that equation as I explained previously. 

As to sleuthing - I am blue from looking for a femur bone and reports of a cranberry sedan.  So please give us more and I will zip it as best I can cuz I am interested in where you are going regardless.  And one more thing...did you really state that LE was watching that school prior to this.  I will go back and read again but clarification on that would be most appreciated.

Also glad someone emailed LE and they got a response stating that searches will resume for Kyron.  It's beyond time he was brought home.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Kokos Cat on August 03, 2011, 12:21:21 PM
I am not sure if this has been posted before but here it is again just in case anyone missed it.  It is a petition asking that the 3 remaining sites be searched now. 

http://www.change.org/petitions/please-sign-share-this-petition-searches-need-to-be-completed-for-kyron-horman

Thanks, FKL. 

Does anyone know the location of these remaining searches?

TIA,
 ::MonkeyAngel::
K. Cat


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on August 03, 2011, 06:00:48 PM
Few interesting suggestions on Blinks site.
1. Kyron was the person for the mfh, not kaine. (horrible to think about, but I suppose it happens)
2. David Durham is the suspect they have been searching for but can't find in connection to this case.

What if the person who was seen with Kyron is someone LE knows of, but can't find or is no longer living? I suppose that would be a reason to not have a sketch released. I have always had a hinky feeling about DAD. I along with a few posters spent a bit of time on him back when he shot at LE.   


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on August 03, 2011, 06:05:10 PM
Everytime I hear that LE checked out everybody at the school that day, I always think that they couldn't possible be sure that they know every person that was there that day.  There were no cameras.  A dozen people could have driven into the school area without anyone noticing them.  There were no assigned people to be on watch of the road and parking area.  Any number of people and vehicles could have been present without having been seen or noticed that morning IMO.



Completely agree with you. There is no possible way to be 100% sure unless of course there is something we don't know. But what other ways would LE be able to see cars coming to and from the school without camera's and eyewitnesses present at the school that day?  


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on August 03, 2011, 06:12:41 PM
Just popped in to make a few comments regarding comments on BOC.

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/#comments (http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/#comments)

Regardless of what was stated, that my info that was posted here on SM, I stand by that information. This, and I didn't post ALL of the info, was a first hand account of the happenings at the SF at Skyline School, the day Kyron went poof. If you discredit part of it, you have to discredit all of it, and I don't believe that is the case here. I firmly believe in the info provided and the source is VERY credible.

What I posted was not an assumption or a theory. I checked my facts before I posted. If someone is discrediting info that I stated on SM, then maybe their facts need to be rechecked.

I respect all of the poster's on both sites, but let's get to the nitty griddy. Why are we here? To find Kyron. You can sleuth until your face turns blue, but to ignore information because one or so person's say it's untrue, would be an injustice to Kyron. Please don't ignore what is front of you.

I think the comment by Desiree that was said on the JVM interview, per BOC poster, “We’ve ruled out every other person that was even involved at the school that day or not involved at the school that day”. was taken out of context. I believe, IMO, that she was stating that the known people who are on the list that day, have been cleared. The not involved people, I believe she meant people like delivery drivers, etc. I wouldn't read too much into that statement. However, there were unknown persons there. The person(s) who took Kyron, and they have yet to be identified.

Anyhoo, back to lurking and getting those weeds out of my yard and garden.

Sass you posted a Physically fit man in his 20's to 30's was seen speaking to Kyron at an exhibit and 2 men at about 8:30 AM were seen in a car. Does your source have a description of the man seen with Kyron besides his built and age? If he wanted Kyron to help carry things in, it leads me to believe he was perhaps not a parent but someone working at the SF? someone who have an electric exhibit? Is that a fair assumption to make?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: monchichi on August 03, 2011, 10:16:00 PM
Few interesting suggestions on Blinks site.
1. Kyron was the person for the mfh, not kaine. (horrible to think about, but I suppose it happens)
2. David Durham is the suspect they have been searching for but can't find in connection to this case.

What if the person who was seen with Kyron is someone LE knows of, but can't find or is no longer living? I suppose that would be a reason to not have a sketch released. I have always had a hinky feeling about DAD. I along with a few posters spent a bit of time on him back when he shot at LE.   


Hi TG~

If they have a sketch, then they had it over 6 months prior to Durham's flight.  Why wait so long?
I agree there are too many coincidences regarding DAD. 

I posted back then asking, is it possible he escaped to an airport before anyone even heard about the shooting?  Caught an early morning flight out of Portland or Eugene w/o anyone there even being aware of him?  I was told no, he was either dead or holed up in a vacation house.  Does everyone still think that?  Or is it possible he escaped???  And if he did escape, he most likely had help, right?

Also, If Durham was on the radar of MCSO and/or FBI, then why wasn't there an agent "trailing" him?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on August 03, 2011, 10:49:00 PM
I wish they would release the dash cam video of that night with DAD and officer Dodds.  Something just does not sit right.  The long haired picture of Durham (dad) is from 2007, newer pics released show short hair.

I wonder how and why he would shoot him in the abdomen and pelvis area.  Not sure how tall officer Dodds is but dad is 6'3" ; even sitting gun would of been aimed down anyway interesting place to shoot a guy.

Prayers for Kyron.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: monchichi on August 04, 2011, 01:17:20 AM
I wish they would release the dash cam video of that night with DAD and officer Dodds.  Something just does not sit right.  The long haired picture of Durham (dad) is from 2007, newer pics released show short hair.

I wonder how and why he would shoot him in the abdomen and pelvis area.  Not sure how tall officer Dodds is but dad is 6'3" ; even sitting gun would of been aimed down anyway interesting place to shoot a guy.

Prayers for Kyron.



See, that's another thing that needs to be clarified.  Did he have long hair when he shot Officer Dodds?   Was it tucked up under a hat in the other photos?  IDK.  I remember reading something (maybe from the FBI profile on DAD) about him liking "hats".  It wasn't specific about military-style berets, it was just "hats".  Was he some master of disguise?  Did he somehow slip away?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on August 04, 2011, 05:46:27 PM
Few interesting suggestions on Blinks site.
1. Kyron was the person for the mfh, not kaine. (horrible to think about, but I suppose it happens)
2. David Durham is the suspect they have been searching for but can't find in connection to this case.

What if the person who was seen with Kyron is someone LE knows of, but can't find or is no longer living? I suppose that would be a reason to not have a sketch released. I have always had a hinky feeling about DAD. I along with a few posters spent a bit of time on him back when he shot at LE.   


Hi TG~

If they have a sketch, then they had it over 6 months prior to Durham's flight.  Why wait so long?
I agree there are too many coincidences regarding DAD. 

I posted back then asking, is it possible he escaped to an airport before anyone even heard about the shooting?  Caught an early morning flight out of Portland or Eugene w/o anyone there even being aware of him?  I was told no, he was either dead or holed up in a vacation house.  Does everyone still think that?  Or is it possible he escaped???  And if he did escape, he most likely had help, right?

Also, If Durham was on the radar of MCSO and/or FBI, then why wasn't there an agent "trailing" him?

In my personal opinion, I think it is possible he escaped, obviously he is some place other then where he is being looked for. He could be in a cave or he can be in another country. Private plains don't have the same security restrictions as the major airlines.

Perhaps he wasn't on the radar until after they stopped him? Perhaps they found things on him? I get the feeling he was not being followed but felt he was being followed because of criminal activity. I don't buy the whole medication story, could be true but I don't buy it. He doesn't fit the man Sass posted but perhaps he helped to stash Kyron for a day or two? I want to know why LE went to his place with an ambulance? Who did they expect to find there? who needed help? I guess they could have been looking for DAD but wouldn't they go a little bit more undercover?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on August 04, 2011, 05:47:05 PM
sorry plains = planes


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: monchichi on August 04, 2011, 10:31:11 PM
Few interesting suggestions on Blinks site.
1. Kyron was the person for the mfh, not kaine. (horrible to think about, but I suppose it happens)
2. David Durham is the suspect they have been searching for but can't find in connection to this case.

What if the person who was seen with Kyron is someone LE knows of, but can't find or is no longer living? I suppose that would be a reason to not have a sketch released. I have always had a hinky feeling about DAD. I along with a few posters spent a bit of time on him back when he shot at LE.   


Hi TG~

If they have a sketch, then they had it over 6 months prior to Durham's flight.  Why wait so long?
I agree there are too many coincidences regarding DAD. 

I posted back then asking, is it possible he escaped to an airport before anyone even heard about the shooting?  Caught an early morning flight out of Portland or Eugene w/o anyone there even being aware of him?  I was told no, he was either dead or holed up in a vacation house.  Does everyone still think that?  Or is it possible he escaped???  And if he did escape, he most likely had help, right?

Also, If Durham was on the radar of MCSO and/or FBI, then why wasn't there an agent "trailing" him?

In my personal opinion, I think it is possible he escaped, obviously he is some place other then where he is being looked for. He could be in a cave or he can be in another country. Private plains don't have the same security restrictions as the major airlines.

Perhaps he wasn't on the radar until after they stopped him? Perhaps they found things on him? I get the feeling he was not being followed but felt he was being followed because of criminal activity. I don't buy the whole medication story, could be true but I don't buy it. He doesn't fit the man Sass posted but perhaps he helped to stash Kyron for a day or two? I want to know why LE went to his place with an ambulance? Who did they expect to find there? who needed help? I guess they could have been looking for DAD but wouldn't they go a little bit more undercover?

Yes, I think it is obvious he escaped or is dead.  Early on so many people leaned toward him having drowned.  I was just wondering if opinions had changed.
I don't know about airline security.  I think someone on the run could slip thru w/ a fake id.  If he made it on the first flight out, and people thought he was still on the beach, the TSA/Port Police may not even have been looking for him early Monday morning.  I could be wrong, I don't really know.  Private planes may have less security but would involve a much bigger conspiracy, I think.

As far as the description goes, I don't know what to think.  I think if DAD were capable of all of this (disappearing Kyron, evading police, disappearing himself) then he is capable of changing his appearance as well.
I don't really buy the medication story, either.

Maybe the ambulance is standard when someone appears to be fleeing from a crime and they don't know what the crime could be? 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: monchichi on August 05, 2011, 12:28:26 AM
Just furthering my thinking on DAD:

Sassi's description: Male, 20-30's, physically fit, did not look like a parent

I think DAD was about 39 when Kyron disappeared (if I am wrong someone please correct me), was physically fit, and if he was dressed up like an army guy he may not have looked like a parent?
I am not 100% behind this idea, I don't know that he would have been running around in his trademark camo if he had planned to snatch Kyron, although maybe it would have helped him to disappear into the woods...


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on August 05, 2011, 12:40:30 AM
Well could be me on the hair being shorter because his FBI profile states longish.  Also the ambulance could of been because they exchanged gunfire and maybe there was blood in the truck cab from the dogs injured leg? so they believed he could have been shot in the gunfire exchange.  I agree it's possibly not the drugs or drug related phobia also that brought the paranoia.  He could have had to go bags already placed in certain locations with items to flee if that was his plan.

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/additional/david-anthony-durham

A Terri - DAD connection would lead to the throw away phones and lots of premeditation on both there parts.  And I am not so sure he is interested in 7yr old boys; due to the girlfriend breakup that he was supposedly so torn up about.   I think DAD is just a odd timing coincidence unrelated to Kyron.

I think it is a possibility that the MFH could have been for Kyron but whoever it was for they don't have enough to prosecute or they would have done so already imo.

The one that Sassi posted about sounds more like a pumala imo but I would think it would be known if any of Tanner's family was present that day? 

Just rambling.  I sure wish they would find the little guy and atleast give the family that little bit of peace.  The not knowing would kill me.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on August 05, 2011, 05:34:52 PM
Yep DAD can go either way, that is why I have not forgotten about him.
The private plane could be arranged pretty easily if a friend or relative had one. Or even if he took off by boat. I had suggested that before and I still think it is possible considering the ocean is right there. One thing is for sure surrounding this case there are people who are connected or around that area who have also gone poof. Unless I have missed it, the woman and two children are still missing too. Are they all connected? I am not sure if there is enough known at this point to really say yes or no. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on August 05, 2011, 06:04:29 PM
Just furthering my thinking on DAD:

Sassi's description: Male, 20-30's, physically fit, did not look like a parent

I think DAD was about 39 when Kyron disappeared (if I am wrong someone please correct me), was physically fit, and if he was dressed up like an army guy he may not have looked like a parent?
I am not 100% behind this idea, I don't know that he would have been running around in his trademark camo if he had planned to snatch Kyron, although maybe it would have helped him to disappear into the woods...

I believe what Sass was getting at was he was not recognized as a parent to the school. I suppose that throws him into the friend, relative of a student or perhaps a vender working at the the fair. I do believe someone posted there were venders working some booths etc...

If you put together what the one boy said about the last time he saw Kyron and what Terri had said...Terri claims to have left him as he was walking towards his classroom, true or false, we don't really know for sure. One thing about that claim I have wondered about is, if this was the last time she was to see Kyron before this big plan went into action and some man was to lured Kyron out of the school, why was this not a goodbye witnessed by others who could verify to it happening? Why did she choose to do this without a witness? That to me was a big mistake because it is something that has been used to cast doubt on her story. It was a mistake? Anyway, so we hear Kyron told a fellow student he was going to see a "cool electric one". Kyron was by himself so who told him about this "cool electric project"? It is claimed that Kyron was seen with an unknown man who was over heard to ask Kyron for help getting something out of the truck?  So while Kyron was near his classroom did he run into a person who told him to go see some "cool electric one" sending him to this other person Kyron is claimed to have been with or did that same man tell him? IMO, it sounds as if Kyron was told by someone who was near to his classroom or where ever Terri last left him, to go see a cool electric  project, so was this the 20-30 year old man or a different person?

So many question.....


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: monchichi on August 05, 2011, 08:38:31 PM
Just furthering my thinking on DAD:

Sassi's description: Male, 20-30's, physically fit, did not look like a parent

I think DAD was about 39 when Kyron disappeared (if I am wrong someone please correct me), was physically fit, and if he was dressed up like an army guy he may not have looked like a parent?
I am not 100% behind this idea, I don't know that he would have been running around in his trademark camo if he had planned to snatch Kyron, although maybe it would have helped him to disappear into the woods...

I believe what Sass was getting at was he was not recognized as a parent to the school. I suppose that throws him into the friend, relative of a student or perhaps a vender working at the the fair. I do believe someone posted there were venders working some booths etc...

If you put together what the one boy said about the last time he saw Kyron and what Terri had said...Terri claims to have left him as he was walking towards his classroom, true or false, we don't really know for sure. One thing about that claim I have wondered about is, if this was the last time she was to see Kyron before this big plan went into action and some man was to lured Kyron out of the school, why was this not a goodbye witnessed by others who could verify to it happening? Why did she choose to do this without a witness? That to me was a big mistake because it is something that has been used to cast doubt on her story. It was a mistake? Anyway, so we hear Kyron told a fellow student he was going to see a "cool electric one". Kyron was by himself so who told him about this "cool electric project"? It is claimed that Kyron was seen with an unknown man who was over heard to ask Kyron for help getting something out of the truck?  So while Kyron was near his classroom did he run into a person who told him to go see some "cool electric one" sending him to this other person Kyron is claimed to have been with or did that same man tell him? IMO, it sounds as if Kyron was told by someone who was near to his classroom or where ever Terri last left him, to go see a cool electric  project, so was this the 20-30 year old man or a different person?

So many question.....

Would his friends/family risk helping him in that way (fleeing by private plane)?  The man had just shot a police officer.  I could be wrong, but I believe private planes have to file flight plans which may include the number of passengers on board.  I believe the police would be all over his friends and family to see if anyone had aided him.  There may be less security, but the pilot of a private plane assumes responsibility for the security of his aircraft and the passengers when they are in a restricted area.

As far as TMH saying good-bye w/o a witness.  If there wasn't a witness, there is a little bit of give wrt the exact time she left.  I don't know if that made a difference to her or not.  For all we know, she could have said to go check out the "cool, electric one" as she was saying good-bye.  MOO.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on August 06, 2011, 04:25:18 PM
Just furthering my thinking on DAD:

Sassi's description: Male, 20-30's, physically fit, did not look like a parent

I think DAD was about 39 when Kyron disappeared (if I am wrong someone please correct me), was physically fit, and if he was dressed up like an army guy he may not have looked like a parent?
I am not 100% behind this idea, I don't know that he would have been running around in his trademark camo if he had planned to snatch Kyron, although maybe it would have helped him to disappear into the woods...

I believe what Sass was getting at was he was not recognized as a parent to the school. I suppose that throws him into the friend, relative of a student or perhaps a vender working at the the fair. I do believe someone posted there were venders working some booths etc...

If you put together what the one boy said about the last time he saw Kyron and what Terri had said...Terri claims to have left him as he was walking towards his classroom, true or false, we don't really know for sure. One thing about that claim I have wondered about is, if this was the last time she was to see Kyron before this big plan went into action and some man was to lured Kyron out of the school, why was this not a goodbye witnessed by others who could verify to it happening? Why did she choose to do this without a witness? That to me was a big mistake because it is something that has been used to cast doubt on her story. It was a mistake? Anyway, so we hear Kyron told a fellow student he was going to see a "cool electric one". Kyron was by himself so who told him about this "cool electric project"? It is claimed that Kyron was seen with an unknown man who was over heard to ask Kyron for help getting something out of the truck?  So while Kyron was near his classroom did he run into a person who told him to go see some "cool electric one" sending him to this other person Kyron is claimed to have been with or did that same man tell him? IMO, it sounds as if Kyron was told by someone who was near to his classroom or where ever Terri last left him, to go see a cool electric  project, so was this the 20-30 year old man or a different person?

So many question.....

Would his friends/family risk helping him in that way (fleeing by private plane)?  The man had just shot a police officer.  I could be wrong, but I believe private planes have to file flight plans which may include the number of passengers on board.  I believe the police would be all over his friends and family to see if anyone had aided him.  There may be less security, but the pilot of a private plane assumes responsibility for the security of his aircraft and the passengers when they are in a restricted area.

As far as TMH saying good-bye w/o a witness.  If there wasn't a witness, there is a little bit of give wrt the exact time she left.  I don't know if that made a difference to her or not.  For all we know, she could have said to go check out the "cool, electric one" as she was saying good-bye.  MOO.

I don't know the family so I can't say what they would do or not do to help out one of their own. I suppose they could have or not. See that is the thing, we don't know enough about any of it to say for certain something happened or didn't happen or he left by plane, boat, train on foot etc..... I would guess if he took a public flight they would have caught him on security camera's. He shot a police officer, I bet they have checked out everything possible in that area.
As for Terri, she could have told him to check in and then go see the project, your right. again, I don't think we have enough information to really fill in the blanks, it is all assumptions at this point.  


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: 4getUnot on August 06, 2011, 04:51:43 PM
Hi Tracygirl and Monkeys!!!

Does anyone know of any reason that DAD would have shot a police officer? Was he hiding something in his vehicle or if he had something to do with Kyron it seems that some trace of Kyron would have been found in his vehicle?  If something was found LE probably wouldn't release it to the public, they have released so little info.

The way you were using his initials, DAD, reminded me of that letter supposedly to Kaine that was found on the wall of hope.  I found a very interesting handwriting analysis that someone did on the letter. It may have been posted before.  I read the analysis with DAD in mind and now I wonder if he left the note. 

Here is the link if anyone would like to read it. DAD was underlined in the letter and this is also Durham's initials. It is interesting how much of the analysis could fit DAD. I thought it was kind of chilling at the end with the "pop" maybe meaning a gunshot.  Sorry if this is a repeat and has already been discussed.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/5823174/handwriting_analysis_letter_to_kaine.html?cat=34



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: monchichi on August 07, 2011, 12:44:07 AM

I don't know the family so I can't say what they would do or not do to help out one of their own. I suppose they could have or not. See that is the thing, we don't know enough about any of it to say for certain something happened or didn't happen or he left by plane, boat, train on foot etc..... I would guess if he took a public flight they would have caught him on security camera's. He shot a police officer, I bet they have checked out everything possible in that area.
As for Terri, she could have told him to check in and then go see the project, your right. again, I don't think we have enough information to really fill in the blanks, it is all assumptions at this point.  

Geez, sometimes I feel like I just talk circles with you.  Yes, we all agree on two things--  anything is possible and we know very few facts.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Tracygirl on August 07, 2011, 03:41:29 PM

I don't know the family so I can't say what they would do or not do to help out one of their own. I suppose they could have or not. See that is the thing, we don't know enough about any of it to say for certain something happened or didn't happen or he left by plane, boat, train on foot etc..... I would guess if he took a public flight they would have caught him on security camera's. He shot a police officer, I bet they have checked out everything possible in that area.
As for Terri, she could have told him to check in and then go see the project, your right. again, I don't think we have enough information to really fill in the blanks, it is all assumptions at this point.  

Geez, sometimes I feel like I just talk circles with you.  Yes, we all agree on two things--  anything is possible and we know very few facts.

I sort of feel the same way.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on August 07, 2011, 07:47:22 PM
one thing about Kyron being asked to carry something into the school.  I thought the projects were set up the day before?  So could it have been closer to the end when the viewing was over? 

just going with it based on what we know. 

Another item on my wish list; all the pictures and video's of that day from the teachers and parents.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sunshine12 on August 08, 2011, 11:53:28 AM
hey everyone.  i don't post in this thread too often and haven't in awhile but i just wondered what you all think the possiblity is that terri horman acted alone in kyrons disappearance.  in my opinion, i think it's possible


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on August 08, 2011, 08:39:33 PM
hey everyone.  i don't post in this thread too often and haven't in awhile but i just wondered what you all think the possiblity is that terri horman acted alone in kyrons disappearance.  in my opinion, i think it's possible

More than a possibility.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: labubske on August 08, 2011, 08:43:31 PM
hey everyone.  i don't post in this thread too often and haven't in awhile but i just wondered what you all think the possiblity is that terri horman acted alone in kyrons disappearance.  in my opinion, i think it's possible

More than a possibility.

Agree...though I like to look at every single angle...my first GUT thought was she did it...In my opinion if she didn't do this she would be fighting for custody of her daughter.  So, I agree it's definitely a possibility.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: monchichi on August 08, 2011, 11:56:07 PM
Just furthering my thinking on DAD:

Sassi's description: Male, 20-30's, physically fit, did not look like a parent

I think DAD was about 39 when Kyron disappeared (if I am wrong someone please correct me), was physically fit, and if he was dressed up like an army guy he may not have looked like a parent?
I am not 100% behind this idea, I don't know that he would have been running around in his trademark camo if he had planned to snatch Kyron, although maybe it would have helped him to disappear into the woods...

Self correction:  DAD was 43 when he disappeared, so he would've been 42-43 when Ky disappeared.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on August 10, 2011, 12:14:43 AM
hey everyone.  i don't post in this thread too often and haven't in awhile but i just wondered what you all think the possiblity is that terri horman acted alone in kyrons disappearance.  in my opinion, i think it's possible

More than a possibility.

Agree...though I like to look at every single angle...my first GUT thought was she did it...In my opinion if she didn't do this she would be fighting for custody of her daughter.  So, I agree it's definitely a possibility.
I definetly do agree with you. IF Terri were NOT guilty, she AND her parents would be fighting for her daughter.

Remaining silent, and no fight for her child, screams, "GUILTY," in my book !


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Harleycolt on August 12, 2011, 12:05:18 PM
Does anyone remember the story of the white truck, a maroon car & couple of red heads, one with a shovel,a man & a boy seen going into the woods I believe Monroe, OR...somewhere around Hwy 99 ?

I keep hearing of a maroon car with someone in it waiting maybe behind the school on the morning of 6-4-10


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: labubske on August 12, 2011, 12:11:28 PM
Does anyone remember the story of the white truck, a maroon car & couple of red heads, one with a shovel,a man & a boy seen going into the woods I believe Monroe, OR...somewhere around Hwy 99 ?

I keep hearing of a maroon car with someone in it waiting maybe behind the school on the morning of 6-4-10

I had posted this a few pages back:

The mention of a maroon colored car or sedan reminds me of this:

http://www.wweek.com/portland/print-blog-777-print.html  (I had actually found this email in a better place...but tonight this is the best I found).

Here's the main portion of an email McCain sent:


    This morning around 9:00 am I received a telephone call from Mark DeWitt, a 51-year old single farmer who lives in Riddle, Oregon. ... When I took his call he expressed relief in “finally talking to a human” after leaving unanswered calls to the MCSO tip line. I told him I no longer worked at MCSO and I am not part of the investigation at all. He understood that but asked me to pass this info along to the authorities.

    DeWitt told me he was driving on 99W near Junction City around noon on Wednesday, June 9–the same day Captain Mike Shults delivered his press statement without the families present. DeWitt said a white pick-up truck driven by a female with brown or reddish hair came up fast behind him. He noticed in his rear view mirror that a boy with short dark hair and glasses kept popping his head up in the front seat, only to have the driver push his head down. The pick-up passed DeWitt and turned on a gravel road near an old mill site in or near the town of Monroe, Oregon. DeWitt said the pickup turned onto a side road where it stopped to meet a “cranberry” color sedan from which a heavy set red head female and a male wearing a baseball cap emerged. DeWitt said the pickup driver got out and took the boy into a heavily wooded area where they were followed by the other two–with the male carrying a shovel he removed from the sedan trunk.

    DeWitt continued into town where he stopped at a gas station to ask for directions to his destination, which I think was a grain elevator for seed. While out of his vehicle, DeWitt said he heard what sounded like a single gun shot coming from the general vicinity of where he saw the three adults and boy. DeWitt then said he later pulled into a rest area on 99W to use the rest room. As he was heading back onto the road, he was behind a slow moving motor home that was pulling onto the highway. DeWitt said he then saw the pickup again speeding with the sedan behind it about to collide with the motor home. He said the truck slammed on its brakes and barely stopped short of colliding with the motor home, but the sedan skidded and collided with the rear of the white pickup. DeWitt said it was not a major crash, but the sedan might have some slight front end damage and the pickup might show signs of a “paint swap” in the rear.

    DeWitt said he does not watch much television and did not put all of these pieces together until he started following the Kyron story on the news. He said he has called the tip line three times, but with no answer. He also said he reported the incident to a “Eugene Deputy” (not sure if Eugene PD or Lane County Sheriff) shortly thereafter, but before he realized the possible significance of what he saw. I asked him what he wanted me to do with this information and he just wants a “real person” to go check the area – which he says he has since revisited. I told him that's not a good idea since it might be a crime scene.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: monchichi on August 12, 2011, 04:41:04 PM
For anyone still wondering about the talent show, in this video from kgw.com, Kaine says he was not aware of any participation by Kyron in the talent show.  I saw more emotion from Kaine in this video than in any other I've seen.  It was posted 7/21/10.  I truly believe he was blindsided by this.  My heart breaks all over again watching this...

http://www.kgw.com/video/raw/Raw-Kaine-Horman-at-wall-of-hope-kyron-missing-portland-98973929.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on August 15, 2011, 06:44:25 PM
Is it true that Kaine bought a truck for advertising Kyron going missing out of the donated funds?



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: monchichi on August 15, 2011, 07:16:52 PM
Is it true that Kaine bought a truck for advertising Kyron going missing out of the donated funds?



I'm not sure if this is the same thing you are asking about but I think he did put Ky's name and face on his own truck...

http://www.insideedition.com/news/6696/kyron-hormans-father-wont-give-up-the-search-for-his-son.aspx

snipped, link above:

The determined father's journey begins at dawn, as it does many days.

"We could be sitting at home doing nothing. The alternative is get up and do stuff," said Kaine.

The anguished father wears a sweatshirt emblazoned with his son's image and his pick-up truck also displays an urgent plea for help.

"What keeps you going?" asks INSIDE EDITION's Jim Moret.

"Just that. There are still pieces out there. He still needs to be found," Kaine says

Today Kaine is headed to a racetrack about 60 miles from home to hand out flyers. He spends countless hours behind the wheel, driving and looking for his son.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: monchichi on August 15, 2011, 07:22:20 PM
Also from the same article it sounds as if someone at the drag race also had painted his truck with Kyron's info, I believe this is a black truck I have seen a picture of:

http://www.insideedition.com/news/6696/kyron-hormans-father-wont-give-up-the-search-for-his-son.aspx

snipped from above link:

One man was so taken with Kyron's story that he actually painted Kyron's image and name on his truck.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: MonaMonkey on August 16, 2011, 09:02:30 PM
Restraining Order against Terri Horman extended another year.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/08/multnomah_county_judge_extends.html

 ::MonkeyEek::
 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: klaasend on August 16, 2011, 09:15:30 PM
Restraining Order against Terri Horman extended another year.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/08/multnomah_county_judge_extends.html

 ::MonkeyEek::
 

Good


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on August 16, 2011, 09:16:26 PM
Restraining Order against Terri Horman extended another year.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/08/multnomah_county_judge_extends.html

 ::MonkeyEek::
 

Good

ITA 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: cw618 on August 16, 2011, 10:21:52 PM
Kyron's image and name on his truck.

img
http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/photo/kyrontruckjpg-2f06e728462c5311.jpg

story
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/01/big_rig_will_carry_kyron_horma.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: ISpy on August 16, 2011, 11:48:12 PM
Restraining Order against Terri Horman extended another year.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/08/multnomah_county_judge_extends.html

 ::MonkeyEek::
 

Good

ITA 
Popping in to add my ITA and Good too!  No innocent mother is going to go without seeing, holding, touching, being with, or even hearing her toddler for one year (much less two).  The parents I know miss their children when they're gone overnight for a sleepover.  There's no way you could separate them for more than a week, much less a year!  Whatever Terri Horman has done, she must be very afraid if she's hedging Kiara to cover for it.  At this point, I think I'd be talking to my lawyer about child neglect/abandonment as Terri is willfully neglecting Kiara and her needs. In essence, she has abandoned Kiara in order to protect herself= neglect.  For someone who appeared to adore Kiara, Terri certainly doesn't care about her now.  IMO, Terri likely never did...she just cared about the attention/admiration she got when she demonstrated how well she was "taking care of Kiara"and Kyron for that matter (and we all know how fake that was).  IMO, Kaine is seeing the true Terri in full form, how easily she can discard others when they no longer benefit her. Any real mom would kill anyone who tried to take her baby/child away from her.  All MOO 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on August 17, 2011, 01:10:27 AM
I know that I'm not privy to all that is going on behind the scenes and only am aware of the "portions" that are chosen to be made public....however....I haven't speculated in quite a while about this case.

Here goes:  This could go on FOREVER!  LE is not actively working this case now and so nothing is likely to happen at this point (sad to say).  Also, once Terri engaged an attorney, under the law, she can't answer questions now.  I guess if one wants to, they can totally overlook the 3 or so weeks that Terri did answer questions before the sting operation made it apparant (even to Terri) that she must engage an attorney.  That sting operation was the single worst thing that happened to harm this case IMO.  That was strictly LE's fault.  They wanted to believe RS and advised Kaine about something that LE has NO evidence about (if LE had evidence other than RS's statements, there would have been no need for a "sting"; therefore, because they did a sting and it backfired - there is NO evidence).

I've been reading on Blink on Crime (as well as SM) on Kyron's thread and come away with the opinion that RS, more likely than not, was given some sort of immunity to "spill the beans".  IMO, RS would have said anything to keep his hide out of trouble and makes him NOT credible.

My speculation is that Terri (and/or Terri/Kaine) could have been involved in "something" that would possibly mean "prison time" if she/they were to admit to it - and THAT involvement could be the reason that something happened to Kyron (maybe due to a payback of sorts).  Drugs - non-payment or selling drugs and crossing over someone else's territory, etc.

In such an instance, I wonder why LE wouldn't give Terri an immunity of sorts in order for her to tell what she knows so that LE could move forward. 

IMO, there have been so many screw-ups that it's created a "Mexican stand-off" type situation.

I'm also wondering, now, if the divorce will be put off for another year - because the RO was expanded for another year?  Like I said, this could go on for a very long time.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on August 18, 2011, 12:03:55 AM
Interesting post made by Lea Conner on Blink on Crime:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-197/#comments


Lea Conner says:
August 17, 2011 at 3:43 pm
Riverpearl says: August 16, 2011 at 11:30 pm
(snipped)“She has **manifested** a desire to physically harm myself and my family, and I fear she will continue to try to harm myself and to (sic) my family. {what a strange way to describe a MFH — manifested]”

WPG says: August 17, 2011 at 12:35 pm
“Could that word possibly relate to DY’s comments like ‘tons of electronic evidence’ and ‘she put it all in writing’
. . . manifested/documented?”

The law enforcement sting operation failed miserably on June 26, 2010.

Despite this, Kaine Horman goes ahead two days later (on June 28, 2010) and files for a temporary restraining order, claiming law enforcement provided him with “probable cause to believe” that Terri Horman was involved in Kyron’s disappearance and also tried to hire someone to kill Kaine Horman.
http://kezi.com/files/HORMAN.pdf

As we now know, Mr. Horman was told of the allegations regarding a murder for hire and alleged involvement by Ms. Horman in Kyron’s disappearance prior to the sting operation on June 26, 2010.

It is worth noting that “probable cause” would have been required to conduct the sting operation, the entire objective of which was to obtain evidence of alleged crimes for which there was not sufficient evidence for arrest. The failure of the sting operation meant that law enforcement failed to obtain the evidence it sought. As such, this would strongly suggest a problem with Mr. Horman’s assertion two days after the sting operation that there was still probable cause for the allegations about Ms. Horman.

Now that the restraining order application is public knowledge, Mr. Horman is stuck with defending its premise when he sought to renew the order. Given his statements to the media indicating he is no longer certain of any involvement by Ms. Horman, it would be difficult to fall back on his prior allegation in support of the TRO.

On what basis can Mr. Horman renew the restraining order without having to provide additional evidence (or any evidence, if you consider that the original TRO was obtained by Mr. Horman’s hearsay allegations only)? Apparently, by claiming Terri Horman “has manifested a desire to physically harm myself and my family” and referring back to the original information allegedly provided by law enforcement prior to the sting operation. The claim of “manifesting a desire” is not a new claim; it is just a different way of saying what Mr. Horman claimed back in June 2010.

Ms. Horman still won’t challenge the restraining order. It would seem that she either has some pretty good reasons for not talking (the range of possibilities for which include a desire to avoid helping the state build a case against her from nothing, to avoiding implicating herself in illegal acts) or she has simply given up all hope.

While I personally cannot imagine walking away from a child because the other side appeared to be insurmountable, there are people who do so for far less.

Law enforcement admitted early on that Kyron did not leave the school with Terri Horman.

Desiree Young says she believed since the beginning that based on her intuition as a mother, Ms. Horman was involved. Ms. Horman and Mr. Horman’s marriage had been falling apart for several months prior, too. The Horman residence was almost certainly at the breaking point in the days following Kyron’s disappearance, if no other reason that the large number of people staying in the house: Desiree and Tony Young, Kaine and Terri Horman, Terri’s son James, the Horman’s young daughter Kitty (who had an ear infection), and a second law enforcement officer (other than Tony Young), and perhaps other family and friends, too.

With that many people in the house, at least two if not three of which were ticked off at Ms. Horman before any of this happened, how long do you think they lasted before someone exploded and let loose on Ms. Horman with exactly what was on his or her mind?

According to the Oregonlive.com audio interview of Kaine Horman and Desiree Young, Terri Horman sat for her first polygraph on Monday June 7, 2010, and later went in for a second polygraph two days later (which would have been Wednesday June 9, 2010) but walked out, then sat for the third polygraph ten days later (Saturday June 19, 2010).

Strictly my opinion, but I do not suppose that someone under that kind of pressure would perform well on a polygraph. Mr. Horman and Ms. Young claim to have passed their polygraph exams “with flying colors,” but neither of them were facing the sort of scrutiny or apparent hostility that Ms. Horman faced.

I am not saying that Ms. Horman is guilty or innocent, only that the circumstances of this family were such that I do not believe the allegedly failed polygraph exams and Ms. Horman walking out on the second polygraph proves anything. Strictly my opinion.

On the other hand, I understand Ms. Young’s reaction and anger at Ms. Horman. She doesn’t believe that Ms. Horman is telling the truth, and she believes that Ms. Horman hated and mistreated Kyron, and possibly murdered him. In her shoes, I’d probably feel the same way. However, sympathies and likability do not mean that Ms. Young is correct in her suspicions about Ms. Horman.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on August 19, 2011, 02:57:23 PM
Restraining Order against Terri Horman extended another year.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/08/multnomah_county_judge_extends.html

 ::MonkeyEek::
 

Good

ITA 
Popping in to add my ITA and Good too!  No innocent mother is going to go without seeing, holding, touching, being with, or even hearing her toddler for one year (much less two).  The parents I know miss their children when they're gone overnight for a sleepover.  There's no way you could separate them for more than a week, much less a year!  Whatever Terri Horman has done, she must be very afraid if she's hedging Kiara to cover for it.  At this point, I think I'd be talking to my lawyer about child neglect/abandonment as Terri is willfully neglecting Kiara and her needs. In essence, she has abandoned Kiara in order to protect herself= neglect.  For someone who appeared to adore Kiara, Terri certainly doesn't care about her now.  IMO, Terri likely never did...she just cared about the attention/admiration she got when she demonstrated how well she was "taking care of Kiara"and Kyron for that matter (and we all know how fake that was).  IMO, Kaine is seeing the true Terri in full form, how easily she can discard others when they no longer benefit her. Any real mom would kill anyone who tried to take her baby/child away from her.  All MOO 

agree.  Now I just wish they would do those other searches and get thru all the electronic communications to find Kyron.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: bebecat on August 19, 2011, 03:00:38 PM
Puzzler, in your post you say LE has stated that Kyron did not leave with TH...is there a link to this? I don't recall LE actually stating this, but I may have missed it, thanks...


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on August 19, 2011, 06:02:16 PM
Puzzler, in your post you say LE has stated that Kyron did not leave with TH...is there a link to this? I don't recall LE actually stating this, but I may have missed it, thanks...

I would like to see that link also. The only time I have seen that stated was from Blink.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on August 19, 2011, 09:04:52 PM
Restraining Order against Terri Horman extended another year.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/08/multnomah_county_judge_extends.html

 ::MonkeyEek::
 

Good

ITA 
Popping in to add my ITA and Good too!  No innocent mother is going to go without seeing, holding, touching, being with, or even hearing her toddler for one year (much less two).  The parents I know miss their children when they're gone overnight for a sleepover.  There's no way you could separate them for more than a week, much less a year!  Whatever Terri Horman has done, she must be very afraid if she's hedging Kiara to cover for it.  At this point, I think I'd be talking to my lawyer about child neglect/abandonment as Terri is willfully neglecting Kiara and her needs. In essence, she has abandoned Kiara in order to protect herself= neglect.  For someone who appeared to adore Kiara, Terri certainly doesn't care about her now.  IMO, Terri likely never did...she just cared about the attention/admiration she got when she demonstrated how well she was "taking care of Kiara"and Kyron for that matter (and we all know how fake that was).  IMO, Kaine is seeing the true Terri in full form, how easily she can discard others when they no longer benefit her. Any real mom would kill anyone who tried to take her baby/child away from her.  All MOO 

agree.  Now I just wish they would do those other searches and get thru all the electronic communications to find Kyron.

I, too, am hoping that the finish the other 3 searches very soon...and all that electronic data...that could hold some clues and really needs to be completed.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on August 19, 2011, 09:05:57 PM
Puzzler, in your post you say LE has stated that Kyron did not leave with TH...is there a link to this? I don't recall LE actually stating this, but I may have missed it, thanks...

I would like to see that link also. The only time I have seen that stated was from Blink.

No...no links...my computer blew up and I've lost all my "stuff".  Sorry.

I think that was said, but if you guys, don't....please disregard since I don't have a link.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on August 19, 2011, 09:32:28 PM
I also think that LE said that witnesses saw Kyron at school "after" Terri left.  I don't have a link to that one either, so disregard if you don't agree, please.

If others saw Kyron after Terri left - that's another way of saying that Kyron didn't leave with Terri IMO.

There are the tapes at the Freddie stores shortly after Terri left the school in which Kyron doesn't appear.  That would have definately been big news if LE had seen Kyron on any tapes from anywhere.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: monchichi on August 19, 2011, 10:27:27 PM
I also think that LE said that witnesses saw Kyron at school "after" Terri left.  I don't have a link to that one either, so disregard if you don't agree, please.

If others saw Kyron after Terri left - that's another way of saying that Kyron didn't leave with Terri IMO.

There are the tapes at the Freddie stores shortly after Terri left the school in which Kyron doesn't appear.  That would have definately been big news if LE had seen Kyron on any tapes from anywhere.



Personally, I don't have a clue what to think, but if Kyron was seen after Terri left and it was between 9-10am when he disappeared, then she could have returned to the school after the stop at the 2nd FM.  Just a possibility, not something I have a strong feeling about.  I guess we don't know exactly when she left the second FM, but LE should have an idea from the surveillance tapes, right?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: bebecat on August 20, 2011, 12:16:14 AM
One thing that I did notice was in a press release/on website for MCSO this year, it was worded that Kyron was last seen at the door of his classroom...it did not say by TH and did not say "walking down the hall" as it had last year...but of course it did not say by who, either...


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on August 20, 2011, 01:23:56 AM
I also think that LE said that witnesses saw Kyron at school "after" Terri left.  I don't have a link to that one either, so disregard if you don't agree, please.

If others saw Kyron after Terri left - that's another way of saying that Kyron didn't leave with Terri IMO.

There are the tapes at the Freddie stores shortly after Terri left the school in which Kyron doesn't appear.  That would have definately been big news if LE had seen Kyron on any tapes from anywhere.



Personally, I don't have a clue what to think, but if Kyron was seen after Terri left and it was between 9-10am when he disappeared, then she could have returned to the school after the stop at the 2nd FM.  Just a possibility, not something I have a strong feeling about.  I guess we don't know exactly when she left the second FM, but LE should have an idea from the surveillance tapes, right?

Right...I agree...LE should know. I wish "we knew".



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on August 21, 2011, 09:07:55 PM
At times, I feel that LE stopped searching for Kyron too soon.

Have they exhausted every leed and every clue ?

Why wasn't Terri Horman arrested for some silly thing to squeeze her into talking ?

Little Kyron is out there somewhere. If he is not alive, I believe his soul wanders aimlessly,
due to the shock and pain  he probably endured when he lost his life.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Kokos Cat on August 24, 2011, 04:30:50 AM
I also think that LE said that witnesses saw Kyron at school "after" Terri left.  I don't have a link to that one either, so disregard if you don't agree, please.

If others saw Kyron after Terri left - that's another way of saying that Kyron didn't leave with Terri IMO.

There are the tapes at the Freddie stores shortly after Terri left the school in which Kyron doesn't appear.  That would have definately been big news if LE had seen Kyron on any tapes from anywhere.



 ::MonkeyAngel::
The end of this video offers a quote by TP wherein he states he saw Terri leave the school without Kyron:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tAZ1FmHtcI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tAZ1FmHtcI)

BTW Puzzler, thanks for your comments and research.
 ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on August 24, 2011, 11:43:34 AM
I also think that LE said that witnesses saw Kyron at school "after" Terri left.  I don't have a link to that one either, so disregard if you don't agree, please.

If others saw Kyron after Terri left - that's another way of saying that Kyron didn't leave with Terri IMO.

There are the tapes at the Freddie stores shortly after Terri left the school in which Kyron doesn't appear.  That would have definately been big news if LE had seen Kyron on any tapes from anywhere.



 ::MonkeyAngel::
The end of this video offers a quote by TP wherein he states he saw Terri leave the school without Kyron:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tAZ1FmHtcI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tAZ1FmHtcI)

BTW Puzzler, thanks for your comments and research.
 ::MonkeyKiss::

Kokos Cat - TY


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on August 24, 2011, 11:58:02 AM
A couple of interesting posts from Blink on Crime:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-202/#comments

beejay says:
August 23, 2011 at 5:17 am

Some random thoughts, in no particular order, perhaps of interest–or not.

I still believe, as I posted long ago when Blink noted the frequency of LE suspicious activity reports in the Horman’s neighborhood, that Ky was being stalked, at his home, in spring, 2010. Ky was kept close at hand by his parents, and didn’t wander far from the house because of his vision. Ya’ll already know who I think was stalking him, although it could have been SZ instead.

So, the next place to try to grab him was at school. With the impending deadline of school getting out for a long summer, SZ and/or my ORS had to act. The irregularity of the Science Fair was a gift to them.

When we think of RS’ associates, landscaping is not the connection we’re looking for. It’s Lifestyle. IMO, DDS gave LE some clues about Lifestyle choices of RS and/or associates(known to her or not, and not meaning Terri) which lead to the Sauvie Island searches. (Remember DDS said she knew, or knew of RS, but didn’t know his name?)
RS’ associates may not all be hispanic. Especially if the connection is Lifestyle rather than familial or employment related. SZ will not be found via electronics–at least the connection to his involvement with Ky won’t.

It’s no mystery to me who is behind this. I just don’t know who SZ is. But I think somebody who knows Rudy also knows of his acquaintance with SZ. And will eventually be able, or willing, to make the connection between them, with help and photos(?) From that, LE will investigate the Ky connection.

Yes, bean counting and file-management at MCSO, but it doesn’t discourage me. After this becomes officially a cold case, retired volunteer LEOs will work on it. Perhaps one will become interested in this case; they have more time available, and access to the intel.

Perhaps the public will generate some new tips for them. I hope the next lead doesn’t come in the form of another child victimized. And that is what has motivated my own interest and work from the very beginning. This has to stop.

beejay says:
August 23, 2011 at 8:38 am

@rose: why did Kaine renew the RO…since LE’s briefings would give him to know it is a SZ?

My thoughts: the RO is also about Kitty’s custody; the longer she stays with Kaine exclusively, the easier it’ll be to minimize future contact betwn her and TH. Which, he is probably PO’d enough to want if only because it’s all he can hurt TH with at the moment.

Also helps the ones who have the power to investigate (even as a cold case) Ky’s case in the future–the ones he’s depending on–that could find themselves in an embarrasing situation about the initial RO. Just renew it, keep things quiet. And, next spring is the DA election; this is embarrasing, potentially, for Underhill also.

But, mainly, maybe KH still thinks TH might know SZ’s identity, or at least a trail to him. And she might. I still think she’s far too afraid to reveal any info that the perps can trace back to her; afraid for herself, for James, and for Kitty. And maybe her parents.

Blink’s SZ, Suspect Zero, is just the guy Ky left with. I don’t understand how that would change Kaine’s desire to renew the RO. For all we know, SZ is Rudy, who in his renewed RO Kaine referred to as “our” gardener. Catch that? Interesting, wasn’t it?

I’m out to recruit some guys for some of those jobs which I do believe they want to help with. That are in the category laughingly referred to as “it’s a dirty job, but somebody’s gotta do it!” Uh, not landscaping. Lol.




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on August 24, 2011, 11:59:55 AM
One more post from Blink on Crime:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/#comments

beejay says:
August 24, 2011 at 5:43 am
I think it helps to remember that by the time Kaine was explaining (away) Terri’s concern about Ky’s sudden increased spaciness, Kaine was also in the position of needing to defend his own parenting. As well as to maintain the pressure on Terri, in case she knows something about Ky’s disappearance.

Kaine was a bit removed from the daily details of his children, including their medical status. He is the overworked breadwinner, with an engineer’s mind–not a people-person. He said he had never once had to take Kitty on a long car ride to stop her crying. Yet, for weeks she had supposedly kept the entire family awake due to her earache. (Or was it teething? Something that toddlers have…) Why didn’t he use his magic ability to quiet her then?

This is just unreliable “information”, misinformation, and/or disinformation. To try to solve the mystery based on Kaine’s changing info is not the best way to do it. Yet, it’s mostly what we have.

Exchange recipes anyone?

If DDS had the correct info, Terri took Ms. Porter the dr-related papers on June 3. So, there would be no dr appt for June 4. It takes more time than that for a busy teacher preparing for a Sci Fair to thoughtfully prepare a doc’s behavioral observation paperwork.

We know that LE did not substantiate all vehicles at school that day. They did, they think, substantiate all in the front/southeast lot. But not in the rear.

RUDY: were you in “your” white truck in the back parking lot that day? Or did someone else drive off with Ky and meet up with you later?



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on August 24, 2011, 11:35:57 PM
This post by “neighbor” on Blink on Crime caught my eye.  We’ve discussed so many times about whether there was a doctor appointment for Kyron on June 4 or the next Friday.  Check out the response by neighbor that I bolded below.  Sometimes the most simple explanation fits - succinct – Occam’s Razor

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/

neighbor says:
August 24, 2011 at 11:19 am

Re: evie says: August 23, 2011 at 6:51 pm
Sorry for the confusion. FWIK the coast has no nude beaches. The only one near the school is on SI.
_ _ _
Re: erose says: August 23, 2011 at 7:05 pm
Many years ago, Intel teamed up with AT&T for deep employee discounts on cell phones. If was still true in 2010, I would expect that TH’s old cell phone to be AT&T. However, Intel might have switched to Verizon that has shaky coverage around there.

While we’re on the topic. IMO “untraceable” cell phones ping just like any other cell phone. The main difference for LE is that they can’t subpoena by name. Instead *all* records for all cell phones have to be requested from the carriers. That explains the cell phone expert and all the data that LE sifts through.
_ _ _
Re: beejay says: August 24, 2011 at 5:43 am
If Ms. Porter didn’t return the paperwork on Jun 4th, she could have known that Kyron was not going to a Dr appt.
‘nuff said





Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Kokos Cat on August 25, 2011, 04:04:41 AM
 ::MonkeyAngel::
Does anyone have any info on a search this weekend for Kyron?
 ::dogwag::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on August 27, 2011, 05:46:33 AM
Wall of Hope - I believe today is the day it's going to be relocated to behind the gym.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on August 27, 2011, 10:28:49 PM
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/08/kyron_horman_wall_of_hope_move_1.html

Kyron Horman Wall of Hope moves to permanent home outside Xtreme Edge Gym in Beaverton


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on August 27, 2011, 10:36:55 PM
Video of the wall being moved:

http://www.kgw.com/video?id=128527438&sec=547787

Kyron Horman Wall of Hope gets permanent home


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on August 28, 2011, 01:13:49 AM
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/08/kyron_horman_wall_of_hope_move_1.html


Horman spends every weekend at events like drag races and fairs to keep his son in the public eye. He said it's great to have a more visible spot for the wall, but neither he nor the fire department thought it would need to be moved again.

"We thought we would be done," Horman said. "We thought this whole thing would be over."

The Multnomah County Sheriff's Office was not immediately available for comment on the investigation.


I wonder who is taking care of Kiara during all this time Kaine looking for Kyron on the weekends?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on August 28, 2011, 02:28:51 AM
Haven't visited the True Crimes site in quite a while; just tried it and a message says:  this board is permanently closed.

Does anyone know what happened?  Why did it close?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on August 28, 2011, 08:27:14 AM
Thank you for the updates on the Kyron Wall of Hope Puzzler.  I don't know why the True Crimes is closed.  Maybe someone else knows.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: sassifrass on August 28, 2011, 02:03:54 PM
http://www.katu.com/news/local/128538693.html (http://www.katu.com/news/local/128538693.html)

Kyron's father reflects on case as 'Wall of Hope' moves


PORTLAND, Ore. – The iconic “Wall of Hope” that has come to symbolize the search for Kyron Horman has moved to a new home at the Xtreme Edge Gym in Beaverton.

 ::snipping2::

He told KATU on Saturday that investigators are still working the case.

“We’ll probably be looking for additional photos from the day of, that day. Whether or not anyone in there is someone of interest or not, let’s go get them all,” Kaine said.

He also talked about his estranged wife, Terri Horman, who has faced much scrutiny during the case but has not been charged with a crime.

“They’ve looked at many different angles on this case. She’s one of them,” he said. “She’s also one of them that we haven’t been able to rule out and she’s also one of the ones that has absolutely refused to cooperate.”


Kaine said he plans to hold more public events in the coming months to keep Kyron on people’s minds.

“We miss him. This should’ve been done a long time ago,” he said. “He should already be home.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Kokos Cat on August 28, 2011, 11:31:52 PM

Dear Sassi & Monks, ::MonkeyAngel::
   HO has mentioned a "private" search for Kyron this weekend that he was not invited to participate in.  Has this gotten any news coverage at all?!?   I haven't heard a thing!
   TIA,
K. Cat
 ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on August 29, 2011, 10:18:35 AM
I have a lot of compassion for Kaine.  But I think he's misleading the public when he continues to say that Terri absolutely refuses to cooperate because that's not so and we all know it.  The public is aware that Terri cooperated for 3 weeks before she retained an attorney. 

Some might say that Terri didn't cooperate because she failed a LDT.  Some others might say that LDT are not proof positive, and its very possible that LE just told her that she didn't pass her LDT to get her off guard and try to get more information out of Terri.

But, IMO, for it to be said that Terri "absolutely" refuses to cooperate is just not factually accurate.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on August 29, 2011, 10:19:22 AM

Dear Sassi & Monks, ::MonkeyAngel::
   HO has mentioned a "private" search for Kyron this weekend that he was not invited to participate in.  Has this gotten any news coverage at all?!?   I haven't heard a thing!
   TIA,
K. Cat
 ::MonkeyKiss::

Kokos - TY.  I haven't heard anything....but SOOOO hope there is going to be another search.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: bebecat on August 29, 2011, 08:22:39 PM
If they don't already have every single photo taken on June 4th at that school, what makes Kaine think they would get them now? I mean, anyone without an agenda would have turned them over 15 months ago...he says things that are truly bizarre sometimes...


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: monchichi on August 29, 2011, 11:40:39 PM
http://www.katu.com/news/local/128538693.html (http://www.katu.com/news/local/128538693.html)

Kyron's father reflects on case as 'Wall of Hope' moves


PORTLAND, Ore. – The iconic “Wall of Hope” that has come to symbolize the search for Kyron Horman has moved to a new home at the Xtreme Edge Gym in Beaverton.

 ::snipping2::

He told KATU on Saturday that investigators are still working the case.

“We’ll probably be looking for additional photos from the day of, that day. Whether or not anyone in there is someone of interest or not, let’s go get them all,” Kaine said.

He also talked about his estranged wife, Terri Horman, who has faced much scrutiny during the case but has not been charged with a crime.

“They’ve looked at many different angles on this case. She’s one of them,” he said. “She’s also one of them that we haven’t been able to rule out and she’s also one of the ones that has absolutely refused to cooperate.”


Kaine said he plans to hold more public events in the coming months to keep Kyron on people’s minds.

“We miss him. This should’ve been done a long time ago,” he said. “He should already be home.

Maybe I am splitting hairs, but when I read Kaine's statement about looking for additional photos, it stands out to me that he sort of seems to stumble over the words "...from the day of, that day."
He does not say photos of the science fair.  He says photos from that day.  I wonder if they are looking for something else.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on August 30, 2011, 07:34:31 PM
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Missing-Kyron-Horman/125336750831264

Missing Kyron Horman

A note from Desiree:

I would like to thank everyone that turned out for Kyron's search on Saturday and Sunday. We were very grateful to get so many people to sacrifice their weekend for Kyron and to help us search for him. We got a lot done and I thank you from the bottom of my heart. Keep your eyes on Portland, new search scheduled for Sept. 10th and 11th with law enforcement.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on August 31, 2011, 06:39:05 AM
Photos and words from Desiree Young:

Kyron’s Pad


“Oh my Sweet Kyron – I love you. I promise this area is yours forever, it will never move, never wilt, it will always grow and be loved forever. Love Momma.”

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.257999730898298.68622.125336750831264&type=1




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: malty on August 31, 2011, 05:16:12 PM
Kyron's Pad is just wonderful


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on September 01, 2011, 04:10:38 PM
A number of things scheduled in the near future:

http://bringkyronhome.org/


What's new:

Koloring withKyron - Enter our Coloring Book Contest !!

Kyron's Birthday Party, 9/9/11 4pm-9pm, Big Al's, Beaverton, OR

Seaside Wheel's and Waves, 9/10/11, 7am-8pm, Seaside, OR

Lake Bible Church Car Show, 9/11/11, 9am-2pm, 4565 SW Carman Dr., Lake Qswego, OR

Sublimity Harvest Festival, 9/11/11, 7am-7pm, 11880 Sublimity Rd SE, Sublimity, OR

Just Between Friends Consignment Sale, 9/17/11, 9am-5pm and 9/18/11, 9am-2pm, Portland Expo Center, Center Hall A






Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on September 01, 2011, 04:17:57 PM
Thank you for the updates Puzzler. It's been so long.  I'm hoping Kyron can be brought home soon.   ::FlyingFrog::







Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on September 01, 2011, 08:36:15 PM
Thank you for the updates Puzzler. It's been so long.  I'm hoping Kyron can be brought home soon.   ::FlyingFrog::







You're welcome.  Yes, I think of Kyron a lot.  Such a "puzzler" (sorry for the play on words).



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Kokos Cat on September 01, 2011, 10:47:30 PM
 ::MonkeyKiss::
Thanks Puzzler!
 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on September 02, 2011, 09:53:48 AM
::MonkeyKiss::
Thanks Puzzler!
 ::MonkeyAngel::

Koko's - you're welcome...good to see you stopping in on Kyron's thread.  I fear he's being forgotten.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Kokos Cat on September 06, 2011, 01:50:01 AM
::MonkeyKiss::
Thanks Puzzler!
 ::MonkeyAngel::

Koko's - you're welcome...good to see you stopping in on Kyron's thread.  I fear he's being forgotten.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::
Never by me, Puzzler.  Never.
Thanks for your ongoing work on Kyron's case.
:(


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on September 06, 2011, 04:37:05 PM
Bringing over the post below from Blink on Crime.  Does anyone know what the calls for "area check" (BBM) were about?  Is it possible that after the May 911 call that Terri made reporting RS that she or someone in the Horman household were concerned about someone being on the property?

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/

erose says:
September 6, 2011 at 2:38 pm
@Kimberly,

I think Blink recently said she hasn’t changed anything about this case, or something like that, so I assume RS is still key, but after all the SS discussion, I am not sure if RS is ‘his’ real name, or a name ‘he’ is using.

If anyone in the Horman house called 911, I think TH has the 911 trigger finger and doesn’t seem to hesitate to use it. She had the altercation with RS in May, then the 911 calls for an area check, then Ky goes missing.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on September 06, 2011, 04:45:40 PM
Even though this is not about Kyron, it is about children and it's spooky:

http://westlinn.katu.com/news/news/442797-alarm-bells-go-when-man-spotted-photographing-kids

Alarm bells go off when man is spotted photographing kids


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on September 06, 2011, 06:46:32 PM
Bringing forth another post from BOC and thanking "erose" for the clarification and noting that there were "area checks" for some reason - could someone have been scoping out the Horman household - or Kyron in particular:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/#comments

erose says:
September 6, 2011 at 5:05 pm
Puzzler @SM and All,

I was wrong about the area checks/threats after the May incident, but before Ky went missing. There was one before the May incident and then after Ky went missing. One of course, being the night of the sting.

Here is the accurate account:

June 26, 2010 THREATS
June 21, 2010 AREA CHECK
March 29, 2010 AREA CHECK

http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/07/14/kyron-horman-missing-and-endangered-landscaper-rudy-sanchez-knew-kyron/#more-4266


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Brandi on September 07, 2011, 11:48:12 AM
Kyle Iboshi
Father of Kyron Horman says searches for the missing boy are planned for later this month or next. No details on where search will focus.

http://twitter.com/#!/KyleIboshi (http://twitter.com/#!/KyleIboshi)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on September 07, 2011, 02:28:26 PM
Kyle Iboshi
Father of Kyron Horman says searches for the missing boy are planned for later this month or next. No details on where search will focus.

http://twitter.com/#!/KyleIboshi (http://twitter.com/#!/KyleIboshi)

Thank you Brandi.  It's good to know searches will continue for Kyron.   ::FlyingFrog::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Kokos Cat on September 08, 2011, 02:48:27 AM
Interesting blog post re: Kyron:

http://astargazersnotebook.blogspot.com/2010/09/piercing-horman-veil-part-1.html (http://astargazersnotebook.blogspot.com/2010/09/piercing-horman-veil-part-1.html)



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 -
Post by: Kokos Cat on September 08, 2011, 02:56:11 AM
Dear Mod,
If we are no longer supposed to post full text, will you please cut or edit?  Thanks!
 ::MonkeyKiss:: Koko's -  In future please don't post any articles in full text as you've done and then ask us to go back and snip.  Instead of using the quote as you've done, simply copy and paste each piece of the article you want and as you go, add  ::snipping2:: in between, or maybe just post the link and the first sentences or paragraph and then add  ::snipping2::  By posting the entire article, it's a violation of copyright.  It takes a lot of time for one of us to go back and snip articles posted.  I will edit when I need to, but please learn to snip articles or only post the link.  I will do this one, but you should do the next.  If you need help just ask, but don't post any more full articles.  Muffy
Latest info on Kyron searches...

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/09/kyron_hormans_mother_says_more_2.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/09/kyron_hormans_mother_says_more_2.html)

 ::MonkeyAngel::
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Kyron Horman's mother says more searches planned this weekend
Published: Wednesday, September 07, 2011, 2:25 PM     Updated: Wednesday, September 07, 2011, 5:37 PM
By Lynne Terry, The Oregonian

New searches are planned this weekend for evidence in the disappearance of Kyron Horman, who turns 9 on Friday.

Kyron's mother Desiree Young said Multnomah County Sheriff's Office will comb "key areas" that have not yet been searched.

"It's an active investigation," said Lt. Steve Alexander, spokesman for the sheriff's office. "We're continuing to pursue leads and tips."

He would not  confirm that officials would be conducting searches this weekend.
  ::snipping2::


She and her husband Tony Young, who live in Medford, conducted a search Aug. 27 and 28 with two trained nonprofit groups. She said they had a variety of vehicles and searched places around Northwest Germantown and Newberry roads and the area around Northwest Skyline Boulevard.

"We will probably be doing a few searches," she said.

She said the searches have focused on public property and that the sheriff's office is planning on combing areas identified in the investigation that have not been searched.