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For hearings and any live events that are streamed on the web, these are the usual sites that would carry them:


No refresh clicking required:

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/subindex/our_programs/live

http://www.cnn.com/video/flashLive/live.html?stream


Other live stream sites:

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/subindex/our_programs/live

http://mfile.akamai.com/12909/live/reflector:20877.asx

http://www.wftv.com/video/27049808/index.html

http://www.clickorlando.com/video/19046963/index.html

http://www.wesh.com/video/27050096/detail.html

Casey looks like she sucked on at big ole stinky lemon!

Here and ready to continue

 ::MonkeyDance::

Anyone know what happens to the notepads that Casey spends all her time scribbling in?

Thanks blink.

Thanks CBB !   ::MonkeyCool::

So what just happened?  The hearing seemed to end so quickly without any resolution on anything  ::MonkeyShocked::

I can't believe Mason said the case His Honor quoted "Parks" was not relevant.  If it wasn't relevant, His Honor wouldn't have mentioned it.  Also, admonishing the Judge to read the cases, what an insult to His Honor.  The Judge knows more case law by heart than Mason can find in law books, IMO.

Only that they are collected by the defense.

Last hearing the woman from bozo's office who sits behind KC took them with her.

4:16 p.m. -- Judge Perry says his decision will likely come at the end of next week. 

http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news/2011/march/215417/Casey-Anthony---Defense-argues-investigators-undermined-family

The florida tax payers get a bill for them ::MonkeyTongue::

hmmm...wonder if Jose will one day use them in a book.

Is this the week Judge Perry is heading north?  Is that why we won't get his decision until the end of next week?  I was so hoping it would be sooner than that!  Dagnabbit!

That was really shocking to hear him tell the judge those things. I wonder if he is losing his mind to Alzheimers as no attorney would ever admonish a judge like that.

Just a thought, but maybe they're going to try to use her ramblings and drawings to defend her by getting analysis done and attempt to show her as having mental issues or something along those lines.  JMHO

Thought the same thing, myself!

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/MonkeyGuys/Image257.png)

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2011/03/07/caylee-anthony-case-chloroform-and-gcms/
Caylee Anthony case: Chloroform and GC/MS
Posted on March 7, 2011 by Valhall

Mason needs to go ahead and cough up that lugie already. 

::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
(sorry FL taxpayers ... but that was funny)

You're welcome, Muffy!! It did end without any fanfare, didn't it? I think both sides were done and JP indicated he'd have a decision by the end of the week. I believe he knows how he's going to rule but wants to write the decision up referencing the case law brought up by both sides. JMO.

Maybe this will be one of his last (if not THE last) case he will handle and he's going all or nothing?

yes it is and probably very true

Thanks CBB.  I guess they all just went like "Okay.  Done"  and it was. 

I think JBP knew what his rulings was before they went into closing arguments today. I can't recall seeing his chair rock and roll at all.

All of this is laying the groundwork for going to trial for the murder of an innocent child.  It just boggles the mind.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

The end of next week?

I render my decision NOW!

Gotta run for a bit. See you all later!! I wish we had a decision today! I like the thought of Casey going back to her cell with all her bubbles popped!   ::MonkeyDance::

 ::HelloKitty::

I'm sure George and Cindy will be among the first to testify at trial.  They can go sit in the gallery once they've testified right?  Wonder how long that will last?  We should start a monkey pool with bananas!

Thank you for finding something good in it, CBB.   ::MonkeyKiss::

Well, if that's the case, I'm going to ask for an itemized bill.

Just one more post!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

You're right, and I think JP is being very mindful to cover all his bases to protect the integrity of this case against appeal. That's a good thing! OK, Bye!!

::rhino::


But I'm very curious about what happened at sidebar at the end.  I think the defense may have presented some new info from Casey, or clarifying info. 

Yeah, me too, but now she has to be on pins and needles waiting.

You mean new LIES from Casey, right?

Good idea Curly. I'd be hell bent if I found out we were paying for her pork rinds and tampons....

Well of course!  She wrote something down and I believe Baez picked it up on the way to sidebar.

A better description of Zanny?  ::MonkeyHaHa::

IIRC..Andrea Lyons did the exact same thing more then once to Judge Stan.  I think it shows very poor courtroom etiquette to try to school the Judge in his own courtroom.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/27103024/detail.html
Arguments Made At Anthony Hearing
Casey Anthony Accused Of Murder In Death Of Daughter Caylee
POSTED: Monday, March 7, 2011
UPDATED: 3:34 pm EST March 7, 2011
ORLANDO, Fla. -- A court hearing that has already spanned three days continued Monday in the Casey Anthony murder case.
The hearing has been centered around what evidence should be allowed at trial, and Judge Belvin Perry could rule on the motions as early as Monday afternoon.

Anthony's defense team believes anything she told deputies after initially being placed in handcuffs the evening of July 15 should be suppressed from her trial because she was not read her rights. Anthony was only briefly handcuffed that day, and was not arrested and taken to the Orange County Sheriff's Office until the following day after speaking with investigators on July 16.
 ::snipping2::

VIDEO: Tony Pipitone's Report  http://www.clickorlando.com/video/27106788/index.html

Lol, Samarie. I'm sure we are paying for that.

Yes, Andrea felt as if it were classroom rather than JS's courtroom.

WFTV - Raw Hearing Video:
Part 1 http://www.wftv.com/video/27109199/index.html
Part 2 http://www.wftv.com/video/27109399/index.html

ITA CBB!  ::rhino:: ::piggy:: ::rhino::

Part 3 http://www.wftv.com/video/27109762/index.html

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2011/03/casey-anthony-central-florida-news-13-apologizes-for-f-bomb.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+entertainment%2Ftv%2Ftvguy+%28TV+Guy%29&utm_content=Twitter
Casey Anthony: Central Florida News 13 apologizes for F-bomb
Bright House Networks, Caylee and Casey Anthony, Central Florida News 13, Orlando — posted by halboedeker on March, 7 2011 4:47 PM


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/os-casey-anthony-monday-hearing-20110307,0,781670.story
Defense: All statements Casey Anthony made to law enforcement should be tossed
Prosecutors now arguing that the statements should be allowed at trial By Anthony Colarossi, Orlando Sentinel
4:00 p.m. EST, March 7, 2011

Thanks Trimm!

With the f bomb article.,,,,,,I understand, children need not hear this and many folks don't care for the word, but this is part of the facts of this case and if media decides to cover this, then let her rip.  Give warnings in advance, show it at the bottom of the screen, and let the viewer decide if they care to continue watching or to turn the channel.  jmo

http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news/2011/march/215417/Defense:-Detectives-used--trickery-when-talking-to-Casey-Anthony
Defense: Detectives used trickery when talking to Casey Anthony
By Jacqueline Fell and Adam Longo, Team Coverage
Last Updated: Monday, March 07, 2011 4:54 PM
 ::snipping2::
Judge Perry did not rule on the admissibility of evidence regarding chloroform and plant life at the crime scene where the remains of Casey's 2-year-old daughter, Caylee, were found in December 2008.
The judge said his decision will likely come at the end of next week.

 ::MonkeyCool::  So appreciate the minute by minute commentary-always late at the party & the computer speakers are on the blink for some reason.  Thanks!  So impressed by the wonderful detectives & the prosecution.   Baez & Company are so outclassed.

According to this video video, at around the 4:30 mark, Mason says she was not ever mirandized until the actual indictment?  is that true.

http://www.wftv.com/video/27109199/index.html

She had arrested twice by then, no?

He's wrong here. Period.

Not sure if this was posted yet.

http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=6236234


03/07/2011           Correspondence

Defense forked out some money today as well.

http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=6236234


03/07/2011           Transaction Assessment            5.00
03/07/2011           Counter Payment    Receipt # CR-2011-15292    ANTHONY, CASEY MARIE    (5.00)
03/07/2011           Transaction Assessment            21.99
03/07/2011           Counter Payment    Receipt # CR-2011-15336    ANTHONY, CASEY MARIE    (21.99)
03/07/2011           Transaction Assessment            3.99
03/07/2011           Transaction Assessment            460.00
03/07/2011           Counter Payment    Receipt # CR-2011-15520    ANTHONY, CASEY MARIE    (463.99)
                        

Thanks Tupelo!!

By the way, what the heck is Cindy wearing today?  It is so ugly that shirt.  It looks more like a painting smock.  Turtle neck in Florida?????  I lived there, It never got cold enough for me to even think of a turtle neck.

Cindy looks like a oompaloompa, those faces she makes.

ITA..Let the FBombs fall where they may..and that is tame for some of the words that whole family has used.

Viewers should not be watching the hearing nor the murder trial of a two old by her own mother if they are upset by rough language..things are going to get much more graphic..as the trial continues.

Masoon the Buffoon, LOL.

He is a gruff, thinks if he mumbles around it will make it sound true.

edit and sorry for getting into your box.  I'm rushing.

I'm over on the west coast, but I'm wearing long pants and a sweater today. It's a bit chill for us Floridians.  Cindy doesn't have the best taste in clothes, I think she tries to dress too young for her age, but that's moo.

"I guess they are not obligated." 17:03 at this video http://www.wftv.com/video/27109199/index.html

I cannot make out what JBP says in response.

The major networks aren't posting ALL videos of the latest motions. I couldn't find footage of Gabriel Adam, or Sgt Allen. I finally found these on youtube and thought I would share the links with other monkeys that were unable to watch the hearing live stream....I thought it was very interesting that JBP did most of the questions when Gabriel Adam was on the stand...

Gabriel Adam - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDeOTF7bgJA
Sgt Allen - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UWPL93vgUQ 3/3/2011 Part 1
               http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-S1zTmXPxvo 3/3/2011 Part 2
               http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxLPz6t0kbg 3/4 2011 Part 3
               

Part 4 http://www.wftv.com/video/27110612/index.html

Part 5 http://www.wftv.com/video/27110723/index.html

http://www.wesh.com/casey-anthony-extended-coverage/27110579/detail.html
No Decision Yet On Casey's Key Statements
Judge Withholds Ruling On Motions
POSTED: 5:10 pm EST March 7, 2011
UPDATED: 5:26 pm EST March 7, 2011

Raw Video: George Anthony Reacts to Prosecutor: http://www.wesh.com/video/27109012/detail.html?utm_source=manual&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=casey+updates

How does asking various people about Bozo or commenting that he does not know what he is doing, have anything to do with not mirandizing somebody.

Ok, cannot listen to him anymore, gotta fast forward to Linda.

Amil's post about the hearing(Thanks Amil)
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6194447&postcount=1019


http://callsforjustice.wordpress.com/2011/03/07/casey-anthony-motions-arguements/
Casey Anthony – Motions Arguments
03/07/2011 donchais

Look, there are FCC rules and regulations BUT you should not have to apologize for live coverage within a legal proceeding...if they need to be concerned about this they could put it on like a 5 second delay so they can bleep it out...its that simple.

JP says,  Unfortunately Mr. Mason, they are only going in the direction I send them, but they obtain most of the research I do.

I know this off topic but have yall seen this?
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20471736,00.html

Joran van der Sloot to Plead Guilty to Killing Stephany Flores Ramirez

By Sara Hammel

Monday March 07, 2011 06:05 PM EST

Taken from Amil's post:  "InSession said to CA they would not show up unannounced and it would be around March 22. They'll call the attorney's office and set it up. I don't know what they were talking about."

It sure looks like InSession is going to interview them.   Take note of the date as it is the day before the Frye hearings are set to be heard.

sorry I forgot to add the pic and again sorry off topic

HLN is going to review what took place in the hearing shortly after the commercial break.   Let's see if commentators can go without expressing any merit to the ridiculous defense or sympathizing with those dang Anthonys.

Thanks Cappy,that's my take on it too.

"violent emotion"   ya think?   The reason he gives for killing Stephanie says it all.   Tks for the O/T but its a very closely followed case here and around the world, tks Loca

Thank you Tupelo. 

Link to the Natalee Holloway Forum
Latest Discussion Thread for those that would like to follow and discuss the case:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9215.0

If they can be recalled as a witness they cannot come into the court room at all until they are totally dismissed as a witness. That will make them crazy because I would bet the defense will hold them until it is over just for rebuttals if they think it is necessary.

Turbo, I have a very dumb question, but here goes...

What would keep them from recording or TIVOing the hearing and watching it later? Wouldn't that be illegal?

OMG Trim...Thanks for posting that link to GA. He was shaking his head no but it had no connection to what LDB was saying.  This weekend I watched some of the old Rosebud and Rosebuddy TV appearances from the past and I know why lawyers tell people to avoid the media. They will talk her right into the death chamber..  ::MonkeyCool::

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2011/03/casey-anthony-could-she-hold-her-own-or-was-she-victim-of-conspiracy.html
Casey Anthony: Could she hold her own or was she victim of conspiracy?
Caylee and Casey Anthony, George and Cindy Anthony, WESH, WFTV, WKMG, WOFL — posted by halboedeker on March, 7 2011 6:32 PM
Day 4 in the Casey Anthony hearings, and the attorneys supplied the drama.

They have styles that echo pop culture. Defense attorney Cheney Mason is the showboating good old boy; it’s as if Big Daddy from “Cat on a Hot Tin Roof” had decided to practice law. Don’t you expect him to say mendacity?

Prosecutor Linda Drane Burdick has a determined, precise style — think Glenn Close in “Jagged Edge.”
 ::snipping2::

I would bet money they do that. Is it illegal? I would guess it was, but how would the court prove it. Usually the judge advises them not to discuss their testimony with anyone and not to allow anyone to discuss their testimony with them. I have never heard of that happening but until the last few years, there was not the electronic access like it is now. I always suspected that was done in the Anna Nichole Smith case in the Florida hearings because of the almost exact wording in some of the testimony by witnesses who were kept separate.

So, just finished watching them all and if I were JBP, I would clearly have to go with the State on this one.  Linda was based in fact, Jar just tried to muddy the waters.  He completely aggravates the heck out of me.

I cannot be sure though what the outcome will be.  JBP does not seem to mind the idiotness of Jar and the fact that he embellishes over and over again and everything is stated in an accusatory fashion. 

So, we shall see.  We have to wait a whole week?  Grrrr.

 ::snipping2::


What would it take to get Anthony’s statements tossed from the trial? The Miranda rights have to be given when a person is in “custodial interrogation,” Pipitone explained. “To determine that the judge has to look at the purpose, place and manner of questioning,” Pipitone added. “It’s up to the judge to determine if a reasonable person — not necessarily Casey Anthony — but a reasonable person would believe under those circumstances that they were in custody.” 

 ::snipping2::

::HelloKitty::  Hi Amil!  Thanks for your take on today's hearing.  Yeah, you could hear the silence from here when LDB dropped the F bomb!  Oh well, it is what Casey made it to be!


Thanks for all the links Trimm!    ::MonkeyAngel::

Thanks Turbo, my first thoughts were George and Cindy didn't need to rehash what went on last week in court, they came to the monkeys and found links of their testimony and watched them. Sorry but I absolutely despise them both and don't put anything past them. Too bad they can't be sequestered without tv or internet like juries are. Thank you for answering my question. JSM

She was not in custodial interrogation until after her Universal Studios stunt, it doesnt matter how hard the defense is attempting to make lemons out of lemonade.   The key word "reasonable" should make it more than obvious how CJBP should rule.

::rhino::

::rhino::
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From what I found reading the case law Mason cited ALL of the suspects were known suspects at the time they were detained. There was no reason to assume KC was a suspect because she was the child's mother until they caught her in all the lies at Universal. At that point they had to have some doubt about what really happened to Caylee. I think they thought KC sold her for drugs or something like that because of the insistence about the nanny having her and her family backing up the nanny story with tales of their own about how they knew the nanny. I don't think they really discredited the nanny thing until much later. Even when she was officially arrested for child endangerment for not reporting her missing for 31 days they were still looking for Caylee.

From what I found reading the case law Mason cited ALL of the suspects were known suspects at the time they were detained. There was no reason to assume KC was a suspect because she was the child's mother until they caught her in all the lies at Universal. At that point they had to have some doubt about what really happened to Caylee. I think they thought KC sold her for drugs or something like that because of the insistence about the nanny having her and her family backing up the nanny story with tales of their own about how they knew the nanny. I don't think they really discredited the nanny thing until much later. Even when she was officially arrested for child endangerment for not reporting her missing for 31 days they were still looking for Caylee.
[/quote]
 ::rhino:: ::rhino::

reading backwards trying to catch up...listening and watching the video of today's events on another screen at the same time..
Jeremy Lyons, the detective just had a yellow legal paper folded in his hand...just like Casey folds the legal papers..I bet they are passing notes back and forth that way...is that supposed to happen???

Has this been posted yet?

Motion For Relative Of Victim To Be Excluded From Rule Of Sequestration And Memorandum Of Law
March 2, 2011

http://docs.docstoc.com/pdf/288745/65fd ... 867d0a.pdf

Court Minutes
March 2-3, 2011

http://docs.docstoc.com/pdf/288745/3df4 ... f6d1cd.pdf

Loca- there's something wrong with the links.  There seems to be a section cut out.  MuffyBee

thanks muffy for posting the link. I did not know how to find it as this is mainly where I frequent.

links are bad or private....this is what I get:

AccessDeniedAccess Denied0ACDD39DCBD690E5QOshUjEqnT++CPbm2b+x10n5bGMjs+6g0pGmKnxmC/8p7Z3/uUdd1FN4cOuS27y+

I think part/parts of the link are cut out.  MuffyBee

YW loca.  I check Natalee's forum every day, hoping there will be justice soon for Natalee and Stephany. 

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/73107238/20110302-Motion-for-Relative-of-Victim-To-be-Excluded-from-Sequestration

 It pizzes me off that they will only acknowledge that Caylee is the victim when it gets them what they want.  She's still being used as a pawn by them.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/73107588/20110303-04-Court-Minutes

Here's the court minutes link

I agree with whom ever said on here in the last thread that Cindy looked drugged up..
watching Linda now as I missed it earlier..
thanks everyone for the info and the links... ::MonkeyGavel::

Here's the link to Muzikzman's docstoc collection    http://www.docstoc.com/profile/muzikman

Thanks for all the links.   ::MonkeyKiss::

love that Linda! she is soooo smart and cool headed...so happy she is on the prosecution and not on the defense...

Agreed!  Caylee has a superb team representing her.  I have full confidence in Mrs. Burdick and Mr. Ashton.   ::MonkeyGavel::

Yeah, me too.
They chose their side now they need to deal with it.

I think it's interesting that Lee was not included. It appears he has washed his hands of Casey and her antics. After being on the stand this week, I do believe Uncle Lee will be Caylee's unsung hero and instrumental in acheiving a measure of justice for his niece.

He's the defense's PI but I gotta tell ya I have never witnessed a defendant directly handing notes to anyone other than their attorneys at the table.  Usually, the attorney(s) would be communicating with staff & staff would go directly to the attorney(s).  I have been also very curious why this level of communication is not being addressed.

Dumb question here!  What are the Frye hearings? 

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/ga-court-of-appeals/1401864.html

You guys may have already posted this but here is the link to the case that the Judge was asking Mason about.  STATE v. PARKS

The court will rule they are not "next of kin" to the victim. Her mother was her "next of kin" and she killed her. I am thinking her father will be in that courtroom. With all the evidence the state has of contradicting testimony in depositions there is no way they will allow them to be in that courtroom.

I have to say I wondered when this was coming because they NEED to be there to keep their stories straight.

I think that says it all..........."Custody does not occur because questioning takes place in a building containing jail cells.   Custody does not occur because a person is interrogated as the prime suspect in a crime.   In addition, custody does not necessarily occur even when police question a suspect after having established probable cause for arrest and with the secret intention of charging the suspect at a future time.

Frye hearings are hearings based on Motions in Limine to argue on the admissibility of scientific evidence and its resulting expert testimony.  The Daubert standard is pretty much the same thing but may include other expert testimony that is used in all federal courts & approximately half of the state courts.  The names derive from cases that established the basis.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/03/07/florida.anthony.hearing/
Lawyer: Casey Anthony's statements to police, family should be tossed
From Nancy Leung, InSession
March 8, 2011 5:43 a.m. EST
Video at link
(CNN) -- Casey Anthony's defense attorneys pushed Monday to have statements made by their client to law enforcement and relatives thrown out ahead of her murder trial, claiming the Florida single mother wasn't read her Miranda rights until three months after her daughter Caylee was reported missing.
The defense and prosecutions offered final arguments Monday in a hearing on these questions, which could prove critical once the trial starts in May. Anthony, now 24, faces seven charges related to the death of her 2-year-old daughter -- first-degree murder, aggravated child abuse, aggravated manslaughter of a child and four counts of lying to law enforcement.
 ::snipping2::

I think that Jose looks irritated when Casey is forever tugging on his arm, shoving notes in front of his face, going through his stacked paper work while he is trying to listen to what is going on in the courtroom..I noticed that he passed the Ipad to Chaney in back of Casey Ho so she didn't get a look at it..She is annoying beyond words...She thinks that she is all important and showing that She IS the boss, as George says...and don't ever forget that! lol
can't wait till Judge gives his rulings...I don't think that it is going to go well for the defense..

Although she is acting like a "child" as Mason referred to her . . . she is an adult.
Totally agree with what everyone is saying.

she is an adult! responsible for her own actions...her own cold blooded, calculated actions..
jmo..

Absolutely Cookie . . . thought I would gag when he called her a child. 

excuse me . . .
O/T - morning bearly - would you please wander over to musings.  I left a message there.  Ty.

Morning all.  I was kind of hoping that we would have rulings today, even though JBP said next week.  I was hoping that JBP knew his decisions based on Duffense side being sooday lame, and just said he would rule next week to make Bozo et al think he might, could possibly rule in their favor. But, no rulings yet, although it is early. 

I was reading over at another forum some this morning and some of them over there think that the Universal interview will get tossed and that the State does not need it.  I don't think they need it either, and that the only thing they need and have is "31 days," but I do not think she was in custody in Universal, so I think it should be allowed. 

no matter what gets tossed..no one can dispute the 31 days that it took the ho to report her daughter missing..and even at that, Cindy reported Caylee missing, not her own mother

I hope this is the biggest presence in the courtroom ...  ::MonkeyAngel::

(http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo109/mell0bucket/caylee_007.jpg)

I only wish that she was the biggest presence in the courtroom..has not happened yet that I have seen..her name is hardly mentioned it seems as family members who claim to love her are too busy defending her murderer..jmo

Caylee is so precious.  Just look at her.  We all know that motherhood is a hard job and really challenging to raise a two year old.  But how can such evil be present in this world?  Evil.  Just e.v.i.l.

The Today Show is reporting that Casey didn't have her miranda rights read to her for 3 months.  Chaney said that yesterday and that is a ball face lie. You can't tell be that LE just forgot to do that one very important step. No Way!  It sickens me that blatant lies are considered a defense.  Give me a break.

Cookie, I'm hoping there will be a huge poster of Caylee sitting in the courtroom from opening statements thru to sentencing.  I know the State will keep Caylee front and center once the trial starts. These hearings now are all about Casey's rights, as it should be, but trial will be about Caylee and what the one person who should have loved and protected her the most did to her.

                                                                         JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE!

me too Tupelo...Casey should be made to look at her the whole time if you ask me..

It was Casey's only job, but she was never a mother to Caylee, imo. I think she resented her from conception and was then forced to be a mom.  Hey, not everyone is mom material, and that's fine. I just wish those that feel that way would take all precautions to make sure that they never create another human being. And if one is created, to find the best possible placement for that child.  I'll never understand someone abusing, let alone murdering, a child.  I pray every day that soon, laws will be strengthened and these individuals, these cowards, these POS will finally realize that these children are precious, they matter just as much as everyone else, they are not expendable.

I really find it hard to believe that she has photos of Caylee in her cell. And I doubt she looks at them except to take her anger out on them.  It's all for show at the jail to appear as if she is the grieving mom.   HA!   That day will never come.

I agree Tupelo!

Could this by why court ended so abruptly?

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/os-judge-richard-conrad-dead-20110307,0,3067603.story

Senior judge found dead in Orlando home
Retired Judge Richard Conrad most recently handled foreclosure cases.

By Bianca Prieto, Orlando Sentinel

4:48 p.m. EST, March 7, 2011

 ::snipping2::

I am glad Klaas posted that link,after seeing that last night I wondered the same thing.

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/
Caylee Anthony case: Magpie reports on 03/07/11 hearing
Posted on March 7, 2011 by Valhall

This is a 2 month old article, we've read it before, http://www.cayleedaily.com/2011/03/casey-anthonys-jail-visits-more-like-a-parade-for-attorneys/   but in the comments, posted a couple of days ago, is this link about Deborah Day, psychologist for the defense.     http://www.psychologicalaffiliates.com/pa-staff-deborah-o-day.asp    This may have been posted and discussed at one time, but I don't remember and thought I'd share.

Casey prob has photos of herself and Tony, etc. partying it up after she'd already murdered Caylee. Beautiful life huh Casey? Not to mention pics of Jose Buttfuzz's ugly mug under her pillow. Ick. She shouldn't be able to look into that little girl's face after what she did to her. But I have a feeling someday she'll face the real reckoning ...  ::MonkeyMad::

It entered my mind as well, or even when he took that first, abrupt break.  He is held in high esteem with his colleagues.

I feel like I'm going through withdrawal today.   ::MonkeyHaHa::   

BBM    ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::  Too Funny!

I have some old screen caps of Casey in court if it would help you through withdrawal ... but then again it's really nice to not have to look at her mug today.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/03/07/florida.anthony.hearing/index.html?section=cnn_latest
Lawyer: Casey Anthony's statements to police, family should be tossed
From Nancy Leung, InSession
March 8, 2011 5:43 a.m. EST
Video at link

What's that Trimm (almost called you Tink)? "Casey Anthony and family should be tossed from the nearest, highest cliff." I concur.  ::MonkeyDevil::

http://www.wftv.com/news/27117023/detail.html
Judge To Rule On Motions Next Week In Casey Case
Posted: 8:42 am EST March 8, 2011Updated: 9:39 am EST March 8, 2011
 ::snipping2::
WFTV’s legal analyst Bill Shaeffer said the defense has a lot to lose if the damaging statements are included because they put Casey in a bad light.
"Because the state will show her pattern of lies, lies, lies and her demeanor is totally inconsistent with a mother whose child is missing,” said Shaeffer.
WFTV will update as soon as Chief Judge Belvin Perry rules on this issue.

And fast!   ::MonkeyTongue::

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/41967054#41967054
Today Show Video Report

(http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo109/mell0bucket/cayleesweetheart.jpg)

Our sweet girl.

Casey - any one of us would have taken her and raised her.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

What a sweet photo goodnmad.   ::MonkeyAngel::


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHqmQb8nvJM&feature=player_embedded
Casey Anthony: Prime News 3/7/11

I do believe he is toying with words....we all know that she was indicted for felony murder in October.   She was Mirandized upon that arrest as well as she was Mirandized for her earlier charges of lying to LE and child neglect & her economic charges.   Colonel Crusty (as I call him) thinks he's clever, actually he's just a blowhard fool who is the only one in love with his ego.

Oldest trick in the book

I remember reading this last night while reading news, and I clicked it to mae sure it was not JBP.  Who knows.  It could be.  So sad.

So true, in a heartbeat!

CJBP is not a stupid man, far, far from it. He knows more about this case than Mason will ever know.  Then we have LDB, who let the court know that Mason was a little confused with some of his statements and proceeded to set the record straight, for the record!   Mason is just making himself look really ignorant, imo.    And he really has nothing to back up what he does say!

Hey, I was wondering, can the defense team pull that "Hypothetical" questioning carp of witnesses during trial, as he did with George?

Yes, but he will not accomplish anything after the State crosses & the jury will not be confused by it.

Thanks Capp!, and I agree about the State.  I just don't see where hypotheticals fit in.....how someone answers hypothetically today does not show how that person would have reacted at the time of the crime, or whatever.  Both sides should stick with just the facts, that's where the truth is.  I guess the defense's defense is to try to confuse as many jurors as possible. I feel bad for those jurors, they better have ample supplies of Aleve.

I know this may be contrary to some persons opinions & that is okay, but I personally believe the 'free will abortions" has degenerated the last couple of generations' view of the sanctity of life. The have been exposed to so much of "if you don't want a baby, just dump it at the abortion clinic" and they have very little regard for any small child. To someone like KC a 2 year old is no different than a 9 month baby in the womb. Both are disposable.

Yes. I could not believe my ears when Mason called her a child yesterday when referring to her in his argument to the court.

 ::MonkeyEek::

In the above, she stated:

"I also noticed that Casey seems to be turning to Mason a lot more for her questions and scribblings.  Could the tide be turning?"

I noticed that as well yesterday.

Interesting observation.

http://www.bloggernews.net/126167
Casey Anthony – Where Is This Case Headed?
Posted on March 8th, 2011
by Simon Barrett in Op-ed, crime

http://insession.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/08/defense-depositions-show-possible-glimpse-into-strategy/
March 8, 2011
Defense depositions show glimpse into possible strategy
Posted: 02:19 PM ET
Atlanta, GA – In Session has obtained depositions of three key witnesses in the Casey Anthony murder trial that could shine a light on the defense’s potential strategy.

Depositions of Roy Kronk, Jan Garavaglia and Gary Utz show the defense may try to suggest that key evidence was tampered with and may be inadmissible to the jury. Even if the judge allows this evidence to be submitted during the trial, it is the defense claim that someone moved Caylee’s remains and duct tape found with the remains, which is so important to the prosecution’s case, may not have originally been over Caylee’s mouth area at all.
 ::snipping2::

http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/2011/03/casey-anthony-hearing-day-4-closing.html
Tuesday, March 8, 2011
Casey Anthony Hearing: Day 4, Closing Arguments

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 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::

Hi CBB, I agree! JP could have ruled on every motion yesterday if he chose to. IMO He already knew before these hearings what his decision was. But he is going by the book. Had CM been paying attention when the Judge asked him about a certain case, CM would know that too....the decision has been made. JMO

BBM

I'd like to know where else it was then?  Both ends are attached to the hair mat, they only measure so long, a 2 1/2 year old child's face is roughly how long accross?  Measurements and placement on the hair mat should tell the story, I would think.  I suppose Caylee has now put 3 strips of duct tape over her eyes, which slipped over her nose and mouth area while she was napping, and she accidentally killed herself.   ::MonkeyRoll::

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20040576-504083.html
March 8, 2011 2:36 PM
Casey Anthony Update: Lawyers want murder defendant's comments to detectives tossed out

I must respectfully disagree with you. IMO he is still firmly in KC's corner. Lee received use immunity for his deposition. But that only covered his deposition. He can still be charged with a crime in this case if something not covered in his depo comes to light. MO he will not lie for KC if it could incriminate him in any fashion. But if it doesn't, I don't think for a moment he would not lie, stretch or color the truth for her.

she will be but only on the State's side. 

Is he for real?

 ::MonkeyEek::

http://www.baynews9.com/article/news/2011/march/216082/Attorneys-battle-over-air-science-in-Casey-Anthony-case
Attorneys battle over air science in Casey Anthony case
By Jacqueline Fell, Reporter
Last Updated: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 3:35 PM
 ::snipping2::
Forensic botanist Neal Haskell said he found tiny (microscopic) flies in Casey Anthony's trunk. Investigators found a large number of gnats in a bag in the trunk. His report, which came out in 2009, said the flies feed off of decomposition.
In January 2011, the defense and prosecution talked with forensic entomologist Timothy Huntington. His deposition was just released last week. Huntington, who at one time studied with Haskell said "the insects are, are not consistent with the presence of a decomposing body."
Haskell's report read, "Paper toweling was used in an attempt to clean the decompositional fluids purged from the remains in the trunk of the car."
However, Huntington told attorneys you can’t say one way or the other if a body was ever in the trunk.
Huntington said the gnats were probably from the garbage found in the car.

What astounds me is even after Ms. Burdick meticulously went through at of Mason's conjectures, he still summed up with BS that is not based on facts, but innuendo.  Thank goodness at the chief trial, the Prosecution has the last word.

Think about it...

If the defense challenges this compelling testimony, and the subsequent results of various chems, multiple items found in and around Caylee could be deemed inadmissable, these very same results that could link back to the frickin trunk of Casey's car. Everything including the finding of chems similar in structure to detergent (cleaning and/or laundry), ethanol, chloroform, and so on. If that syringe could have been traced back to the A's household and/or one of their "jobsites", then it could hold basis, but we don't know if that investigation ever took place. All we know is that the syringe was found inside of a Gatorade bottle and the subsequent results thereafter. Since Dr. G ruled Homocide mainly b/c of the Henkel tape wrapped around Caylee's head, and since the Henkel tape didn't come from the same batch of tape that was wrapped on the gas can, it's hard to prove it originated from that house. The prosecution needs these scientific doctors findings and opinions. They should be ruled admissable. It's how we have been living for many years. Not only does their research help with the forensic aspects of a criminal nature, their research also helps with cancer and AIDS research, the molecular & cell structural breakdown, etc. In a roundabout way, they also help with vaccines, which ultimately is handled by the CDC and/or the WHO.

IMO, Mason & his geriatric ignorant helping the enemy ho-bag murderer self should be euthanized. I mean, I've seen some other old dogs be put down for less. Just sayin'...

BULLSHIT bc certain flies and their larvae only feed off of cadavar. Some blow flies which were found wouldn't feed off of old food or garbage. He's playing off of words being gnat. He should talk about some of the larvae. Wonder if he's a dp advocate! Hmmm? There were more than gnats found & he knows it, so why make that statement?

Totally true.  A fact, pure & simple, of which they cannot get around.

Cappuccino - Remember when you brought up Fernandez-Gonzalez with regards to where Caylee was found? Then Casey brought up HOPE in error during a jailhouse meeting with her parents or Lee...? Well we were wondering where she would have come up with Zenaida...right? Well, how about this scenario (set aside George's affair & the sister's surname for a sec): Casey lived on MySpace. There was a quiz that was out that went viral - Which Greek God Or Goddess Are You? Zenaida = Zeus = Zen and Casey used to frequent those woods right there where Caylee was found for her peace, her quiet time, the place she would go to reflect - her meditation spot (ZEN). I'm only being hypothetical, I mean I truly don't think she's that smart, so she'd have to pull from somewhere...right? Why not pull info from MySpace? Afterall, her MS a/c was a big part of her life.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I agree.

 ::MonkeyCool::  Thanks for all of the links, etc.

~Happy Mardi Gras everyone!!!~

::MonkeyHaHa:: DITTO!

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2011-03-07/news/os-casey-anthony-monday-hearing-20110307_1_casey-anthony-law-enforcement-defense-team
Snipped:
Defense attorney Cheney Mason told Perry Monday that statements she gave deputies on July 15 and 16 2008 should be tossed because Casey Anthony was never read her Miranda rights.



http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/police-questioning-miranda-warnings-29930.html
Snipped:
When the Miranda Warning Is Required It doesn't matter whether an interrogation occurs in a jail, at the scene of a crime, on a busy downtown street, or the middle of an open field: If a person is in custody (deprived of his or her freedom of action in any significant way), the police must give a Miranda warning if they want to question the suspect and use the suspect's answers as evidence at trial.

If a person is not in police custody, however, no Miranda warning is required and anything the person says can be used at trial if the person is later charged with a crime. This exception most often comes up when the police stop someone on the street to question him or her about a recent crime or the person blurts out a confession before the police have an opportunity to deliver the warning.



Me:
I don't think Casey's words should be tossed by the judge...but imo he could rule either way. I don't see Casey as having been in custody. I see her on the 15th into the 16th as a mother assisting police on where to find her missing daughter. Twice while at Universal she was told she was free to leave. They only went into the private room for privacy for crying out loud, this was after Casey turned around and lied about everything, her working there, etc. They talked in that room while somebody else was handling calls with regards to Tony & Amy, etc. Plus don't forget George said something hinky was going on & he was seriously worried about Caylee, I think on the 15th? Hmmm. She wasn't in official police custody, and she was being officially treated as a mother of a missing child, albeit a ditzy neglectful mother, but still. Why should they have to mirandize before asking her simple facts related to Caylee, who had her, making a written statement for police to formally investigate, etc? Ultimately she was charged with child neglect, false official statement, and obstructing a criminal investigation. Only then was she arrested and then let go, and I believe it had something to do with Cindy not wanting to press charges for the cc theft. So why did they have to mirandize? She wasn't charged with MURDER until a much later date. When did the official custody take place? How could she be in custody if she was free to leave of her own will?

IMO, if the judge rules to toss stuff Casey said July 15-16, it will be bc of this one single statement in the very beginning by Yuri, bc if this one single statement wasn't made from the getgo, then there wouldn't be any questions for the defense to argue about with regards to the questions at Universal:
Refer to page 3, 2nd big paragraph:
Quote:
I told her that the incident was very suspicious and her version suspect.
End Quote
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0717/16907762.pdf

Bc Yuri made that statement, then proceeded to drive Casey around to various places that Casey told him Zenaida was known to frequent, then took her back to her house, but remember she first wrote down her statement of where Caylee was dropped off, etc. Then an investigation went on behind the scenes, which then informed Casey had indeed been lying. Casey was then contacted again to go to Universal, le picked her up and took her to Universal where she met up with Yuri I believe (& Allen etc?), so that she could assist them in investigating Caylee's whereabouts. She did go and keep in mind they already knew she was lying. She is walking down a hall leading them to where her "office" is when she does an about face & informs them she's been lying...but they've already known that. According to this arrest affidavit, it was already known that her story wasn't adding up. Plus, remember Yuri had already said her story seemed suspicious, so that statement could be linked with the questioning. However, when he was first beginning the questioning, it didn't start out as Casey being a suspect...only a mother of a missing child...so could it really come back to the MIranda? Really? I seriously think it could go either way.

If this is tossed, and the chloroform info is tossed, then what links Casey to the murder? Everything else is pure circumstance. Yes, I believe she's guilty. Only problem is that the prosecution is going for murder - with the dp as the penalty. The jury can give a lesser sentence, right? I mean, she could get life, right? Only problem is that they have to base the penalty on evidence, substantiated evidence of murder. I don;t see Casey being able to walk away from this. Something I do think people should look into is the funding of the team. They are getting money from somewhere besides the State of Florida. I firmly stand by my initial thought - anti dp activists and advocates are abundant, maintained by several media outlets that have to invest money somewhere, and backed by major universities across our country. Their money is endless. It's my belief that it started with Geraldo questioning murder instead of accidental death, then he and/or his associates helped to enlist her dream team. Baez the bumbling idiot may not make alot of money right now, but he will in the long run.

I agree, and it's sooo sad...

But a majority, imo, of kids have no regard for anybody these days. They aren't prejudiced.  They have this belief that the world owes them everything, just hand it over, not even a thank you.  I think a lot of it is due to video games. They can make great babysitters for parents but the kids spend way too much time on them and seem to think that's the way life is. Devoid of natural feelings. They don't really interact with the real world much because they are allowed to play those games anytime they want. The games are portable, so they go with the kids everywhere and the kids don't pay attention to anything but those games. Same things goes for the phone usage of these kids. Look at Casey, it was non stop for her.  Their heads are stuck on those little hand held devices and the "real" world sadly slips by them.  jmo

Especially when he will be confronted on cross by the prosecution.   If he doesnt know the difference between maggots and gnats, nor the cycle of bug life its going to be particularly embarrassing for him.

http://drlillianglassbodylanguageblog.wordpress.com/2011/03/08/casey-anthonys-sweater-girl-look-won%E2%80%99t-cut-it-in-the-courtroom-as-she-continues-to-groom-and-flirt/
Casey Anthony’s “Sweater Girl” Look Won’t Cut It In the Courtroom as She Continues to Groom and Flirt

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8af_1221265186

I just re-listened to Yuri Melich's interview (first contact with KC) July 16, 2008 @ 4:11am.

For anyone interested in re-visiting the beginning of the skanks endless lies to LE.

This is YM's initial contact with KC......and contrary to Cindy's testimony that YM was intimidating & demanding while questioning KC @ this time, I heard nothing that even comes close to that tone from YM.
What a shocker.....Cindy lied! ::MonkeyNoNo::

 

It doesn't appear to be much food for these flies to be feeding from. IIRC, quite a few of these flies flew out when George opened the trunk at the tow yard.  Why so many flies when so little was there for them?  They weren't after the garbage, that's my opinion.   Here's a look at what was in that garbage bag again.   http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/20320624/detail.html

Thank you for posting that Tupelo I will definitely listen to that again.  I have been trying to catch up in the previous thread(s) but wanted to thank you and Cookie for sharing your experience in the court room with us, that must have been a remarkable experience.  I am glad Caylee had you both there to support her.  ::MonkeyAngel::

Interesting, but what I was referring to was there was actual residents that live in her neighborhood with the names of Zeneida (I think Fernandez is incorrect as Im trying to remember) and Gonzalez.  Even Kiomarie mentioned in her statement to police that she recalled a Gonzalez woman lived down the street.   It has been speculated that Casey may have been telling people all along where they could find Caylee, especially since she did use the words "close to home" as well.

I remember as it first became public what I thought to myself & then noticed a ton of comments in agreement that we found it amazing the restraint & patience Yuri and all the detectives had with her & the rest of her family as well.   Another prime example of this commendable conduct was when Cindy was being interviewed & she was not only going off the deep end but being rather combative toward LE.   Personally, in both instances I can easily say I dont think I could have bit my tongue, kept my hands to myself & taken a deep breathe without impulsively fighting myself from smacking her upside the head!

He sounds very monotone with many of his questions.  Yeah, another shocker alright.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Hi Mission!   ::HelloKitty::  Seeme posted the link to this.   She has been posting great links lately and I too have acknowledged another instead of Seeme.   We really do love you Seeme and we appreciate everything you share with us.   ::MonkeyKiss::

It was a great experience going to the hearings. I'm glad I went for many reasons and sharing with all the Monkeys was at the top of the list!  YW

She's a hosebag, plain & simple. As far as Cin Cin is concerned, it's almost as if she coached Casey on what to say and how to act before she was officially charged...act stupid, lie, blame everybody except yourself, etc. I think George & Cindy may think they screwed up in the way they raised her, that they've taken responsibility for it in the guilty consciences, and are therefore blaming bad parenting for something they may think is accidental...but the State is going for murder instead so they're being as misleading as they can.

Wonder if either or both could serve time for obstruction, also?

Do we have reports stating the Henkel tape found on Caylee's skull & the tape on the gas can are not from the same batch? I don't recall reading that.

Yes, on the corner...an old resident that had since moved...

It was on the FBI lab result.

The thing I don't understand about this Miranda issue is, by the defense perspective, all POTENTIAL suspects which would include anyone questioned about ANY incident would and should be read their rights. The way they laid it out to me was that even though they had not come to a conclusion based on the statements given to them, beciuse it in hind sight sounded suspicious, she should have had the warning.
Wouldn't this set a dangerous precedent? All persons, whether they 'looked' to be involved at that time should be warned because if it in the end turns out that indeed they were involved, they could use this ruling as case law.
What's the difference between questioning cindy or George, what if it was determined today that they were involved, couldn't their atty say the same?
Am I not getting this? 

I hate Huntington. Here's a tiny pic that shows a portion of Haskells findings:

http://i37.tinypic.com/kd2885.jpg
(http://i37.tinypic.com/kd2885.jpg)

Not worried about this attention seeking defense for hire whatsoever

Cappy, saving space instead of the big quote...

I agree with ya, but I do worry about appeal.

One more thing, I've said since the beginning that this case was gonna generate so much case law that it's not even funny. There are sooo many variables involved. We happen to live in a country where people are innocent until proven guilty, and people are entitled to a fair trial with the State paying for their defense, even if they are guilty. I personally love my country but I'm disappointed that it's come to this. Too much coming to the rescue of the criminals and not enough protection of the innocent people - especially innocent children. Who cares how it happened. Casey was a negligent mutha. She should pay the price for that, stand and be held accountable. Instead, she's entitled to teh best experts in the country to fight for her life.

Such a shame, imo, that these effen attorneys can't fight for the rights of cancer patients that can't afford their meds so they are left to wither away and die a slow painful death. Instead, it's all about the money. Criminal Defense Attorneys make just as much money as a litigator, sometimes more. Prosecutor - not so much. They go after the bucks instead of justice. For that I resent them.

I agree with you, Sunny.

Lee is covering himself first, Casey second.

Just how I see it.

Awesome timeline from the Prosecution's side...OCSO's side:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-interviews,0,100606.htmlpage

Try going right to page 58 first (for the trunk stuff), read on.

Alot is covered at this link.

The gnats are NOT the defense's problem. Read back though the other reports - the two other groups of flies, the cheese flies (Piophilidae )and the coffin flies not to mention the blow flies. There were also some beetles & mites which are only seen where a dead body has been. They even grew the blow fly larvae to see how long it had been and what "generation" of them they were. I am really into this work, so trust me what they are talking about is NOTHING.

The FBI lab & ORNL reported there WAS A COMPOSITIONAL EVENT IN THE DEFENDANT'S CAR TRUNK.......Does anyone have the FBI report? Has it even been released?  I must have missed it or they are holding it.

Damn skippy! Exactly what I said. Only thing I worry about is if Perry deems "opinions" inadmissable. It could have a trickle effect. The trunk decomp, the flora surrounding and going through Caylee, and the debris are all connected. If the judge deems one part inadmissable, could it trickle over?

The problem with the gnats & flies the defense is trying to defend is there are flies which ONLY are attracted to dead bodies. Those particular species don't feed on food. There are even different species of those flies which come at different states of decomposition. All of those flies were present in that trunk. They will never be able to change that or defend that.

Exactly exactly exactly. So why is the defense pulling all these stops right now? Just based on opinion?

ITA & to your question Titch....I dont think the defense is going to be too successful getting much if anything squashed & IMHO I cant imagine a trickle down effect would occur even if one or two things are determined to be inadmissible.   The defense has an opportunity to not only cross examine the State's expert witnesses but also have their experts testify to their opinions that differ with the State's with the same opportunity to the State to cross examine the defense experts, later at trial leaving the jury to weigh the evidence.  Again IMHO,  the bar is set high for the defense to show good cause as to why certain evidence should be deemed inadmissible....not saying its impossible that some might be determined as such but I highly doubt it.  Personally, at this juncture I dont see much if anything that the defense would be able to prevail on appeal but we'll all have to see from the Frye hearing forward what is presented.

None of that will be found not admissible. This came from the FBI lab and is used in hundreds of courts all over this nation daily. That is nothing but a crazy dream in the defense's mind. They are getting as insane trying to defend her as Charlie Sheen is. It is nothing but insanity ramblings.

The worst part is if bozo had worked to get her a plea deal before the body was found she would been out for her 30th birthday party and got on with her drinking and drugging until she finally "offed" herself. Now either the state is going to do it or she is going to sit in jail for life. (she could be there 50+years or more)

I have often wondered if the reason the Anthonys disliked bozo so much was because they knew she needed to try to plead it down and most likely their attorneys had told them the same thing. They realized early on she was going down for this and George would have known she could have cut a deal. I wondered if that is why he wanted to talk to her without bozo.

My personal opinion is they are desperate. Desperate people do desperate things. If you look at bozo's past behaviors and all the insane lies he has told to the press, you will see his pattern.  All the things he told early on have turned out to be big lies. The truth is he is not a criminal defense attorney and from reading his motions, I am convinced he made it though college under affirmative action or some other program because I have never known even poor attorneys who had such poor use of linguistics ,logic and syntax. Surely they would have made him take some public speaking classes in college or law school. I have a son still in high school who would cream him in a debate. LOL

I agree with every single thing you said! Thank you so much. I've ALWAYS thought that's exactly why the A's didn't care for him. I personally thought from the beginning that Lee was gonna make a difference, get Casey to plea, but it never happened...either bc Casey is too stubborn or bc she's so far up her own azz that she thinks she's not gonna be held accountable. Is she oblivious as to the idiot she truly is? My gosh, all her shenanigans with being all touchy feely makes me wonder if she considers herself the next Holly Madison - got news for her - NOT IN THIS LIFE TIME!

Something I've been wondering - was it ever proven that Lee tried to wipe the harddrive? Or just the memory? I remember something in the beginning that had to do with Lee wiping the harddrive or something. Besides obviously having a strong knowledge where Caylee could be, could Lee have also requested immunity bc of this?

One thing I have to say to that humorous comparison:    Duh Winning....NOT!

Thank you Capp! Hey, I have to scoot on outta here. My lil one is waiting to read to me :) He's reading Maniac Magee and loves it! Very sorry I don't have more time tonight. If I can get back on, I'll see ya later.

I used to go to InSession when the docs started pouring out. They have every single doc on one page if I remember right. If you guys need it, I'll look for it tomorrow, unless somebody else has it handy. Might be a good link to have in the docs thread here...unless it's already here - I completely forgot to check!

Have a great night everyone.

Praying for justice little Caylee. Have faith.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

It was said that the hard drive had a blue screen when Lee brought it back, and that could be what he had to get some type of immunity for because they caught him. It would show what time it was done, so if he had it at that time, they had him on that. You CAN'T wipe a hard drive clean. You can delete all the files you want, but they are still there.  He would have to have formatted it and he evidently didn't because their forensic computer expert got a lot of info off it.

I thought discovery indicated that the duct tape found on the remains and duct tape collected from the Anthony home were from the same batch....hmmm

Here's a link to a blog Valhall wrote about the duct tape evidence and subsequent discovery:
http://www.whiotv.com/news/27051601/detail.html Edit to correct link. MB http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2011/02/08/will-duct-tape-be-caseys-sticking-point-95-shurity/

According to one of Val's post in the discussion section for this article she states "It's the same damned tape!"

I thought the FBI report said the tape around Caylee's skull and the tape on the gas can didn;t match? Jeez, I have to go back and look through the links I saved. I have tons. I'm probably wrong, then. I thought the county forensics lab thought it was the same but the fbi deemed it not to be from the same batch, etc. Something about the fibers didn;t line up & stuff? It's been so long ago I literally forget, only remembered that particular part. So, having said that, I could be wrong then. I'm sorry my dear. I'll look through the stuff I have saved tomorrow. Right now my lil one is waiting to read & it's 9:30, so he thinks he's hot stuff being up so late.

Promise I'll save this and reply tomorrow. Thanks for Val's link. Sweet dreams.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

I was thinking he wiped the harddrive and was gonna reformat. People don;t realize that even once it's reformatted, there would still be footprints with regards to navigation & download history...unless he would have replaced the hd altogether...which he didn't bc le was able to retrieve search history. I thought Lee worked with computers & remember that when this went down, I thought to myself he must be a dumb computer dude bc even I know how to replace a hd. Then I thought I read he used to part cars or was some kind of sports planner or something...so I thought, it figures.

Seriously gotta run. See yas tomorrow!

Sorry to quote myself but I found it. Can't believe I couldn;t just let it go til tomorrow. According to the FBI, the duct tape around Caylee's skull and the duct tape on the gas can are dissimilar. Please refer to the following:

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/09/30/9-30-09.conway.docs.pdf

Page 7 =
Q60 Debris from skull
Q62-Q64 Tape
Q65-Q66 Gas can with tape (OCSO Item #65, Q-76)

Page 11 =
The fabric portion of specimens Q62 through Q64 (FBI Laboratory number 081213001 TP LF) and Q104 (FBI Laboratory number 090115014 TO LF) are microscopically dissimilar in fiber composition to the fiber composition of specimen Q99 (FBI Laboratory number 081213001 TO LF) (residence). Accordingly they are not consistent with originating from the same source as Q66.

BBM

I believe the "difference" in the cotton fiber backing on the duct tape found at the house and that found on the remains were attributed to exposure to the elements, rather than origin and manufacturing...if that helps. If you get the chance read a few pages of posts on thehinkymeter article I linked, it's explained further. I don't know about others, but sometimes the science in this case confuses me....

Thank you Samarie. I love Val's site! Yeah, I remember when everything was being investigated and I was posting on WS at the time, with Bond I believe, I forget at the moment, and alot of us came to the conclusion it was just how we were interpreting the reports bc they had to match. But the FBI lad knows the differentiation, the elements, etc and they still said it's not a match. The glue would change, but the fiber makeup wouldn;t. For them to deem it dissimilar, it must not even have a chance of a match, even when taking into consideration the underwater elements, heat, botany, etc. Their labs are so detailed that they can test dirt and find out a specific area that dirt originated from. So, if they say it's dissimilar, then it's not a match.

Now I'm in trouble. My son is mad at me. Gonna run.

XOX everyone!  ::MonkeyAngel::

fbi lab not lad. omg. i like what val said, though. my logic says it could be that way...but then i read the fbi report & it states something different.

IIRC the duct tape matched the duct tape KC had in her car from a party they went to. I think either Amy or Annie talked about in their deposition.

I remember that too. I think it was Amy & it was from that no clothes party or something. But I thought they couldn't find the duct tape? I thought le asked Amy about it but she said she thought Casey took it? Omg it's so hard to keep up with stuff bc not only is Casey a habitual liar, she's a thief too!

Samarie, that link you supplied to Val is wrong. Her blog is hinkymeter. The link you gave is about 9 Vets that got hepatitis. Just wanted to let you know. ;)

Edit:  Thanks Titch.  I'll go fix the links. 

I found the link you're looking for:
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2011/02/08/will-duct-tape-be-caseys-sticking-point-95-shurity/

Snipped:
I have a 95% confidence in these samples being PC-621HPT.

Damn straight, skippy.  He noted the difference in the cloth and actually pointed out that it was apparently due to the cotton deteriorating away stating “Cotton fibers will deteriorate easier than polyester fibers“, but that the cloth matched “closely” to the cloth used in PC-621HPT.  The film from the remains scene duct tape pieces matched the film used on this product.  The fill yarn used in the cloth matched the fill yarn used in this product.

So, let’s review where we’re at with the duct tape found on Caylee’s skull:

adhesive – matched George’s gas can tape
fill yarn – matched Shurtape PC-621HPT
the film backing – matched Shurtape PC-621HPT
cloth – “closely matches” except for the cotton being decomposed away – for both George’s gas can tape and PC-621HPT
Henkel Branded duct tape still in Anthony possession during early days of search – check
George working for OUC either at the material warehouse proper or at the same OUC location – check
OUC buying Shurtape duct tape and having it in their central material warehouse inventory during the time George was security guard for OUC – check
Shurtape 95% confident it is their PC-621HPT product – check
Casey in a sticky wicket – check
Check please.

Valhall.





Me, I like this idea but did OCSO & the FBI rule it in for the Prosecution? The other difference that I noted was when speaking of stranger DNA on the tape. The FBI found that it originated from a lab worker that handled it.

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Hey, Titch

Appreciate reading your insights..

Soryy about that Titch! ::MonkeyEek:: You might want to do a preview and click on and check links you're posting, Samarie. MuffyBee

I had several windows open at the time and multi-tasking is apparently not one of my strengths. I see you found the article though..thanks!

http://www.cayleedaily.com/2011/03/do-you-think-casey-anthony-will-testify/
Do You Think Casey Anthony Will Testify? 03/09/11

Not a chance in He!! that they will put her on the stand. It would be suicide for the "dream team" - KC may want to get up there but a smart attorney (which I know they are not) would never subject her to cross on the issues in this case.

I don't think they'll want her to testify either.I expect one of the clan to jump up with some kind of completely off the chart ten kinds of crazy explosion.If it happens to be Casey,well that works for me.
She's going down.

I think it will happen and it will be George - he is a man on the edge - but after living with these crazy women I might be too - I only hope he does not go "postal" and hurt anyone.

I found this link in the comments to this article.  Casey talks about being read her rights by Melich.  Mason should know by now, that most of these interviews are found on video.  If he doesn't want to read, he could at least view videos.  Of course, he knows the truth, just has to spew BS as he has nothing else to spew.  moo   

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPzH5kD8Pl4&feature=related   starts at 5:35

I have a dumb question..does anyone know how many scientist and doctors in their field the defense has left to testify?

So many of them have dropped out that I have lost track of who is still in their corner to be an expert witness. ::MonkeyCool::

I agree,George is the weakest link,and i am with you on the postal part.   ::rhino::

I can't keep up with them.  ::MonkeyEek::  Here are the two lists I have saved.  ::rhino::
Defense Witness List
https://docs.google.com/document/edit?id=1SJuT6ZnZa_DMbH7rK5QXMFWMCG9xV7KVoIjLLRZfg_E&hl=en#

Defense Penalty Phase Witness list
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1t1IKoWtQFXbILJ9pVMwT-c0dXhXOtFw-u5N2jfvVJM0/edit?hl=en#

TY TRIMM. ::MonkeyKiss::

Looks like they are going to be left with only a handful of their own defense experts..if even that much by trial. ::MonkeyCool::

Yep...George will go postal..he is the weakest link, agreed..Casey will never testify..look at the way she reacted when she was in jail and "no one will let me talk"....lol...she is a loose cannon and her defense team probably knows that..besides, she would garner even less sympathy once she got on the stand..this woman is cold blooded and it shows...jmo...

I've always been confused regarding the duct tape.
So does it match the rolls at the A's or not?
I remember it was said that casey "borrowed" a roll from Amy and never returned it, but never heard that the cuct tape on Caylee matched that roll.

NO way will she take the stand although what a treat that would be.

http://humbleopinionforum.net/2011/03/09/casey-anthony-baez-just-couldnt-break-yuri-melich/
Written on 9 March 2011 at 09:16 by humbleopinion
Casey Anthony: Baez just couldn’t break Yuri Melich!

OMG, would that sure be something to see.  The State would shred her up.  No way Jose are they putting her on the stand. 

I like the way Valhall explains the tape.She can break it down.
Will Duct Tape be Casey’s Sticking Point – 95% ‘Shurity’
Posted on February 8, 2011 by Valhall

Ah, but let's not forget that she know by now that SHE's the boss. She also thinks that she can convince any of us lesser mortals of anything. If she decides she wants to talk, no defense team is going to stop her. It may happen.

Curly, if I recall, there was also interest in duct tape that was used on the posters of Caylee.  I can't remember what that was all about . . . but I do remember there was much ado about it.

I do think there should be more security when George is present in the court room.
He's like a ticking time bomb IMO. ::rhino::

I thought of that and that her overwhelming desire to get the last word in may make her want to be heard and would ignore her lawyers advice, but all these years, she has done exactly what he has said, save sending notes to Robyn Adams. 

Get a load of that she is the boss crap.  That annoys me so much.  She murdered her daughter and is on trial for murder.   

At one time, when Hoesky was out on bond, he had a gun, which police came and got, but can he bring his gun in court?  He was law enforcement.  I cannot see him being a cop.  He is too much of a pushover.  I would love to see his employment records.  Wonder if the bosses were happy with his performance.

There were missing children posters hung @ the command center with the same Henkel duct tape found on Caylee's skull. The tape KC borrowed from amy was gaff tape, used on movie/production sets. There was no gaff tape found @ the crime scene or the home on Hopespring Drive to my knowledge.

The tape on Caylee's skull & George's gas can were both Henkel brand.
(http://oi51.tinypic.com/sm38tv.jpg)

Oh goodness thank you for pointing that out Tupelo.   I apologize Seeme, thank you for the link.  I listened to the interview and Yuri was more than polite IMO, he sounded very concerned and sincere in trying to help find Caylee.  It still blows my mind how KC can lie, she has quite the imagination.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2011/02/08/will-duct-tape-be-caseys-sticking-point-95-shurity/

So, let’s review where we’re at with the duct tape found on Caylee’s skull:

    * adhesive – matched George’s gas can tape
    * fill yarn – matched Shurtape PC-621HPT
    * the film backing – matched Shurtape PC-621HPT
    * cloth – “closely matches” except for the cotton being decomposed away – for both George’s gas can tape and PC-621HPT
    * Henkel Branded duct tape still in Anthony possession during early days of search – check
    * George working for OUC either at the material warehouse proper or at the same OUC location – check
    * OUC buying Shurtape duct tape and having it in their central material warehouse inventory during the time George was security guard for OUC – check
    * Shurtape 95% confident it is their PC-621HPT product – check
    * Casey in a sticky wicket – check

Seeme remembers everything.   ::rhino::

Not everything, but thanks Trimm! I do try my darndest though ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks seemeatthebeach, I posted this same stuff from the hinkey meter last night. Here's the link to my post: http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9545.msg1313642#msg1313642



Now this is from the FBI report:

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/09/30/9-30-09.conway.docs.pdf

Snipped:
Page 7 =
Q60 Debris from skull
Q62-Q64 Tape
Q65-Q66 Gas can with tape (OCSO Item #65, Q-76)

Page 11 =
The fabric portion of specimens Q62 through Q64 (FBI Laboratory number 081213001 TP LF) and Q104 (FBI Laboratory number 090115014 TO LF) are microscopically dissimilar in fiber composition to the fiber composition of specimen Q99 (FBI Laboratory number 081213001 TO LF) (residence). Accordingly they are not consistent with originating from the same source as Q66.



The only problem I can foresee is that the info in Val's article is based on a Quality Control person's opinion. This person may know about the makeup and structure of the tape & it's glue, but not sure about the same lab technology as the FBI. That article also says something about foreign dna or something of the sort...goes into a description, etc. This same foreign dna came from a fingerprint or partial fingerprint from a lab worker (I think that's what I read). It's in that same pdf doc link that I supplied from the FBI report. Having said that, this is what worries me - if a Quality Control person can be thought of as more than an expert than an FBI lab, then the prosecution may have a tiny problem gaining the jury's attention, for them to take it as a serious fact. All this scientific data will be over most of those jurors' heads, most won't understand it all or it will not interest them, but they do know that the FBI and their labs ain't no joke (so to speak). Listen, I agree with this person that said it could be the same stuff with regards to the tape, but an official FBI lab report already said the tape samples are not consistent with coming from the same source as the other.

I love Val's site almost as much as I love Blink's site, especially when so many differing opinions and scenarios are playing out in real time. It's just this one finding that I am having trouble with bc the FBI is trusted. Their labs are state of the art. Fiber composition was found to be microscopically dissimilar. I'd hope that the guy vouching for the scenario that it came from the same source can play an integral part in this case, I just wonder if the jury would take him seriously, and most importantly if he can hold up under cross examination by the defense.

There is a reason Mason joined Casey's defense team. He was against her in the beginning. Several people jumped onto Casey's bandwagon. I think it's bc
the Prosecution was going after murder 1 instead of looking at it from an accidental death perspective. Iow, not an open mind...I just hope it doesn't come back to hurt the case in the long run. Everything Casey did after the fact makes her appear sooo guilty of something much harsher than an accidental death. I've said since the beginning it's gonna come down to the science, I still feel that way.

When I read that the QC guy is 95% sure about the tape samples coming from the same batch, I am reminded of the % of shared dna found in LA in regards to OJ's trial. It's what not only saved his life, it kept him out of jail altogether for Nicole & Ron's murders. He is guilty for those murders, but the jurors didn't know the science behind all the studies. It helped to acquit him. I hope the same injustice doesn't play out in this case.

It scares me.

Hey monkeys, not sure if you guys have seen these yet...or not (Sims filings):

http://www.wesh.com/pdf/27106293/detail.html

http://www.wesh.com/pdf/27106306/detail.html

Yes, sister. (I'm @ work right now). That duct tape as far as I recall was traced back to A's home, but it would make sense that it would be.

Thanks, seeme.

Absolutely not

Absolutely Trimm . . . Seeme is a walking reference dictionary
 :thumright:
All I have to do is say . . . IIRC and Seeme finds it.
Thanks Seeme
 ::CowWave::

That is correct, which indicates that one of the Anthony's took it from their home & used it on the "missing" poster.   There is footage of it, one of Kathi Belich's reports with WFTV.

seeme, I remember when we were talking over at WS about those posters being hung with duct tape, then Caylee's remains were found, then the tape discussion was off the hook...alot of us remembered videos of volunteers hanging posters with duct tape, Belich found the video and reported on it. She fast became not just a reported but a witness of sorts. :) It was then derived that the tape used to hang some posters was indeed Henkel brand and the same brand as what was wrapped around Caylee's skull. The comparison was to the gas can, not to the posters. Then there was the speculation with regards to the No Clothes Party, the one in which Casey borrowed Amy's tape but didn't return it, but I stopped following then bc it was obvious to me the guilty perp is Casey. The FBI compared various samples of tape coming from the Anthony house but they didn;t match, at least I think that's what I read in their reports. Again, it was such a long time ago to me, took me about 1/2 an hour last night to find the FBI report...I'll have to go over my links again and look through them. Do you know if the FBI did a comparison analysis of Caylee's skull tape vs the tape used on the posters? I completely forget, literally.

Thanks for all that you do here. I absolutely love reading your posts!

That was awesome Seeme - I only remembered the duct tape in the deposition from one her friends. Now you posted that I also remember that but for some reason that totally escaped my memory bank. I do remember the tape at one of the money grubbing events matching that on Caylee. Isn't that the pits? They used the same tape to collect money in her name that was used to kill her.

LOL Cappy, good minds think alike and all that good stuff... ::MonkeyKiss::

Again, though, the FBI specifically stated the gas can tape and the tape on Caylee's skull were not from the same batch. They were both Henkel brand, though.

One if not more than one matched. I pass that to ones here who followed the duct tape part. I do know that brand of duct tape was not even sold in Florida in many years (and maybe never) and had come from up North somewhere, so that narrowed it down as to where it came from. The tape is such a small part of the whole picture in this murder. The only reason I could think the defense would make a big issue of is if they are going to claim George or Cindy murdered Caylee because it was theirs. I am not sure that is not going to be the story as they have been building up the violent tempers of both of them throughout this sick saga.

Something I really want to see which the state has not released yet is the notes from the psychologist (counselor whatever) that Cindy was seeing. I think that is going to be very telling.

None of it scares me & this is NOTHING like the OJ case. They stacked the jury with black OJ admirers and they are not going to get a jury of young adult baby murderers.

People are much smarter than most give them credit for when they sit on a jury. I have been on a jury where the most uneducated there was the most intelligent in the ways of the world which helped convict a criminal. 

I find this case very interesting because of the forensic evidence & trust me on this, none of it will be proved incorrect. If I were bozo, I would be BEGGING for some type of deal before court. He was too stupid to do it when it should have been done, and now the state may not even consider it. Him & Mason are not going to do anything but cost the state a LOT of money and then lose, so the smart thing to do would be BEG for a deal quickly. The longer it goes on, the less likely the state is to make a deal. The only reason they would deal would be to save the taxpayers the expense of the trial.

Turbo, that is EXACTLY what I think the Defense is gonna try to do - try to blame it on somebody else. Again, it takes me back to the syringe. Has it ever been reported that George (or Cindy) maybe used a syringe for testosterone, diabetes, or something else? Cindy would have had access to syringes in her workplace, as well. Plus don;t forget, Casey visited Cindy frequently at her job. I thought the Defense was gonna try to throw George under the bus in the beginning, allowing all of that molestation speculation about Lee and George. Seems Casey would try anything to get off the hook for this.

It brings me back to her intent. The words written in her diary say it all imo:
http://www.wesh.com/r/18740616/detail.html

Quote:
I have no regrets, just a bit worried. I just want for everything to work out okay.

I completely trust my own judgement & know that I made the right decision. I just hope that the end justifies the means.

I just want to know what the future will hold for me. I guess I will soon see -- This is the happiest that I have been in a very long time.

I hope that my happiness will continue to grow -- I've made new friends that I really like. I've surrounded myself with good people -- I am finally happy. Let's just hope that it doesn't change.


Something else that itches me is that the Defense concentrated on the '03 from the opposite page, attempting to suggest the diary entry was from before Caylee was born, etc. Puhlease, that's why investigators made them look like fools bc they found out that particular diary wasn't even manufactured until 2004! I remember there were pages ripped out of that diary. Did investigators ever come to any conclusion with regards to those pages? The diary was found when those heart stickers were found (in Casey's room), the residue iirc. Remember?

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2011/03/casey-anthony-trial-is-gigantic-deal-for-hln-boss-says.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+entertainment%2Ftv%2Ftvguy+%28TV+Guy%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher
Casey Anthony: Trial is ‘gigantic deal’ for HLN, boss says
Caylee and Casey Anthony, HLN, In Session, Orlando, truTV — posted by halboedeker on March, 9 2011 1:03 PM

Gosh Turbo, I hope you're right. Also, I wasn't downplaying jurors' intelligence, don't want anyone to think that. It's just that most people space out when talking about plant life, microorganisms, dna, genetics, alleles, larvae and the different types, their life span in stages, etc. Ie: when most people think of maggots or flies on meat, they think of a hamburger thrown into the trash on a hot day. Those same people may not think that there's truly a difference with certain flies that only feed off of cadaver. Those same people will tend to think it could have been the pizza box if the pizza had pepperoni or sausage on it, and they would be wrong in that way of thinking.

When I compared this to the OJ trial, it's not to compare the crime or the jury pool - it was to compare the science & the methods behind the science.

I have a feeling the air test that showed chloroform in the trunk will be deemed inadmissable bc it's a new test not used by anyone else.

Again, this case is interesting to me not just bc of the dynamics surrounding Caylee's death - which the most important part of this all is CAYLEE - but bc it's case law in the making. We are witnessing history. It sucks the circumstances, and surely Casey should be sentenced, but the whole process is still interesting nonetheless.

OJ's trial was more than 15 years ago. Science has grown in leaps and bounds in that amount of time and I think the general public has a much clearer understanding than they did in 1995. JMHO

ITA..they have no common sense or decency not a drop off it between them all.   ::MonkeyEek::

http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=6236234
03/09/2011           Notice of Filing
Original Transcript
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of Adriana Acevedo
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of Appling Wells

Yes, but a correlation of the same batch that was used on Caylee's skull & the missing posters would be just as significant, correct?   The difference in two rolls could merely be the same rare Henckel duct tape bought at the same time but were of different lots of manufacturing within a relatively short time frame, I would think.

I went back through some of my old online notes. I just lerrrrrve me some Valhall! Check it out...warning - long post but very interesting...


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4241148&postcount=100
Duct tape on the gas can as well as metal bracket

Here's the pic from that post:
(http://i37.tinypic.com/zjzbba.jpg)



One of Val's posts on WS from 10-14-2009:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4284839&postcount=529

Quote:
I hope to goodness the SA has been able to obtain a roll of the Henkel 200F tape. And I hope to goodness they have contacted the body farm and requested they try to simulate a test on a cadaver. They have plenty of time to get a test completed over the same amount of time and similar conditions in order to present for comparison in the trial....to show that the adhesive would go away - in short order, and then the cotton would go away - in short order.

They really need to do this so they can put a smack-down on the defense's (albeit lame) attempt to emphasize a nonissue - that of the "microscopic differences" between the tape on the remains and the tape on the gas can. They, of course, can address this with a Henkel representative stating they never made this tape without cotton in the warp and then scientific experts on degradation of natural rubber and cotton - but showing hard physical results would go a lot further for a jury than having multiple talking heads address this issue.



I just love Valhall & so glad she started her own blog! I shoulda never had any doubt! Another post of her's at WS:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4288080&postcount=535

Quote:
No problem (and thanks for the kind words). Bein's I spent 16 years designing things - drawing up procurement specs, manufacturing specs and final product QA/QC specs, it didn't take long to recognize what I was looking at. Henkel did the right thing in that they produced all specifications they had made the tape under while under their brand name. If there had been 20 revisions under Henkel, I guess they would have provided all them (which would be the right thing to do).

Looking at the two specs what appears to have happened is that Henkel had the duct tape tested to various standards (as listed in the comments section) and then branded it as such once they had obtained qualifications under those testing standards in Revision 2. The tape was already listed as "good to 200F" in Revision 1, but it had not been tested to prove that out according to the various standards. So they got that done and modified the look of the tape to denote the certification. Since the testing did not change the "form, fit or function" of the tape, they did not start a new part number, just revised the specs on the existing part number to denote the certification. (Personally, I would have started a new part number, but that's just engineering preference.)



So, having delved into this tape info all over again as my mind was rusty from a couple years ago, I'm thinking that it'll come down to the duct tape wrapped around Caylee's skull. Kinda hard to get past that anyway, right? Basically, even if some of the science regarding chloroform results is deemed inadmissable (big if ok), it would certainly be hard for a juror to not consider the Henkel duct tape...especially considering it was manufactured up North - the tape on the skull as well as the tape on the can. Or do I have that wrong?

I agree with Turbo with every ounce of my being, for whatever that is worth.

I wub yous guys... Thank you.

The fact that this is the case that the judge referred to before Mason even got started says a lot to me.  He'd already studied up on the law in the motion and was no one's fool while Mason was droning on and on. 

love Judge Perry...

Kitty, you got that right!  The fact that Mason had the gaul to tell a Chief Justice he was wrong on case law & to implore him to read is just further proof that a) Cheney has no respect b) he is fully aware he is blowing hot air.

I keep saying the same thing.  Now that I have heard LE say that Casey said her Mom was trying to get Caylee from her, I now think I know what her thinking was, if I don't want her, my Mom would be next in line to get her.  She was not thinking about all the people who would raise Caylee, she wanted to take Caylee away from Cindy.  She did not want Cindy to have Caylee and that is why she killed her.  She was afraid that Cindy would get Caylee and she hated Cindy so much, she did not want Cindy to have the one person in Cindy's life, that made her life worth living.

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Yes, there were posters at the "kidfinders" tents hung up with "Henkel" duct tape....George admitted he used duct tape from his house for that purpose. Kathi Belich from wftv while reviewing video from the public events/meet and greet's the A's had, she noticed the "Henkel" insignia on the tape and turned video over to LE.
There were 4 pieces of Henkel tapes found at the crime scene, 3 of which were on Caylee's little skull. The 4th piece I can't recall exactly where it was located, but was either with her remains or in close proximity.
Of course we have the Henkel duct tape on George's gas can. When LE photographed the gas can in August 2008, LE had no idea the tape would eventually be key evidence. Caylee's remains were not found for 4 more months, and had no idea she would be found with duct tape on her, let alone a "rare" brand/type.
The gas cans in August were only important because of them being in KC's car trunk close to the the time of her death, with possible evidence of decomp on them.
There's no doubt in my mind the Henkel brand duct tape found on little Caylee came from the Anthony home.

(http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww103/NetDetective/EVIDENCE/ducttapeonCayleeposterWESHjpeg.jpg)



Val's articles at thehinkymeter.com are the best at getting to the facts in this case, especially the duct tape.

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2011/02/08/will-duct-tape-be-caseys-sticking-point-95-shurity/

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2009/11/05/will-duct-tape-be-caseys-sticking-point-part-3/

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/06/10/the-anthony-encycliepedia-george-and-the-gas-can/

Thanks Trimm.......my brain is fried right now......
I am only thru 20 of 27 parts of last week's 3 days of hearings. I guess I better hurry up and finish before the next round of insanity! ::MonkeyHaHa::

Not to mention eye strain.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Casey Anthony Updates
Mark your calendar... we've been told to expect the release of more evidence on Friday.
http://www.facebook.com/caseyupdates

No reports of same in any of the local papers yet

On the 31st day of the trial I want one of the prosecutors to say to the jurors...."you have been here listening to testimony, for 31 days......the same number of days, her mother, Casey Anthony waited to report her 2 year old daughter, Caylee Marie Anthony missing".
Except KC didn't even report it....EVER! ::MonkeyMad::

Oppsie, didnt see your post Trimm...I was in post mode looking for local reports of same before I posted, none yet

That would be quite effective, IMO!

 ::MonkeyGavel::

Well, what would Linda know, she is just a little girl in the courtroom with all of these men.  She must feel so intimidated.  NOT!

What a slap in the face of any woman who can hold their own.  Did he sleep through the women's movement?  Does he think women should be seen and not heard?  Where did this Neanderthal come from?  He forgot his animal skin outfit and his club when speaking about a woman as a little girl.  Was he frozen in time and just let out of the freezer?  Good grief!

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Oh my gosh, you must be listening to the defense and believing that nonsense they are putting out. The test on the trunk air has been used since the 60s. It is used even by the military. They are grasping at straws on that one. The only thing ORNL has been doing is refining it.

BTW - there is NO WAY blow flies will go to pizza whether it has meat in it or not. (which the one in her trunk had NOTHING IN THE BOX. ORNL even tried growing ANY flies in the box. It just didn't happen. I am sure it will be explained well by the prosecution the difference between blow flies and other insects. Anyone who has read any of Dr. Bass' (Body Farm) best seller books knows what the difference is. 

 I saw this link posted in the comments on THM      http://thehinkymeter.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=39129#p39129


http://www.justiceforall.com/jurors-in-criminal-trials-can-ask-questions-as-part-of-new-controversial-rules/

Jurors in criminal trials can ask questions as part of new, controversial rules

Defense attorneys do not like this at all.    ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::snipping2::

“It is not the juror’s role to ‘solve the case.’ It is not the juror’s role to develop facts. It is the juror’s role to draw inferences and reach conclusions from facts developed by those whose role it is to develop facts.”


 ::snipping2::

I hope the prosecution takes advantage of every opportunity to use "time" in their arguement. Given the schedule that the court has set, there will be several significant dates  that come and go while Casey stands trial. The day Caylee was last seen alive, the day the Anthony's retrieved the death mobile from the tow storage, when Cindy called 911, the stroll through Universal and many more. Sad fact is Caylee has now been gone longer than she was alive and still she has no justice. Justice is coming Caylee and soon your eternal life will be Bella Vita thanks to the narcissism of "Timer 55." I can only hope this trial will end with a guilty verdict on July 15th, or 16th...karma is a beotch!

http://www.wesh.com/casey-anthony-extended-coverage/27138191/detail.html
Docs, Testimony Reveal Casey Anthony Arguments
More Evidence Expected To Be Released Friday
POSTED: 5:21 pm EST March 9, 2011
UPDATED: 5:59 pm EST March 9, 2011
Video at link
ORLANDO, Fla. -- Newly released depositions and a closer look at recent testimony reveal what strategies both sides in the Casey Anthony case may take when the trial begins.
 ::snipping2::

::MonkeyDevil::

 ::rhino::

What did they get in exchange for the immunity?

She testifies all the time--from her seat--she shakes her head no.

Turbo, I think I may have not been clear in what I was trying to get across to you. I know the difference in larvae, I've studied this myself. I am not an expert but I studied in college - my goal was to ultimately work for the WHO. I went on a lab tour many many years ago after The Body Farm was first starting to form. It was set up originally to identify how long a body has been deceased and to investigate exactly how that body came to cease...ie murder, disease, natural causes. I have studied decomposition on many venues. The insects (blow flies, beetles, their offspring / larvae) are tested in all of their various stages. Only certain insects are drawn to cadavers. I know this. I know the difference, I learned about it almost 20 years ago. The whole field of Forensic Entomology has always interested me, but it's not my forte as my dream was to have a career in infectious disease. I come from a family that has multiple le throughout. I think this is why I always question everything - wish I could stop! What I was saying is that some jurors may not know this stuff about entomology. They might listen to the forensic doctors speak, hear them testify, but no matter how much you explain some things to people, they will still have their own minds to make up and choose not to believe it. They may think the pizza crap is believable. I was stating that it's definitely not fact - that certain flies won't go near sausage or pepperoni, I wasn't making a suggestion that it could happen, no as I learned better in college. Again, I'm no expert, as I've chosen to stay home with my children for a decade now, but my mind is still scientific bc surgery & disease interests me...most especially the science behind it all starting with anthropology.

The reason I brought up the suggestion that the air test that measured chloroform could be thrown out or deemed inadmissable isn't bc the test is new, it's just that it's a new way the test was performed. In other words, according to what the test is famous for, it's used to trace certain gas or elements. It wasn't made to effectively tell how much of the chloroform was in the trunk. The links that I supplied show what I'm talking about. It's for this reason that I question how the judge will rule in this one motion. Here's the links again which are the reason for the Frye hearing, the first one is the one I'm really referencing with regards to the test:
http://www.wesh.com/pdf/27106293/detail.html
http://www.wesh.com/pdf/27106306/detail.html

Just to reiterate - I believe Casey is guilty guilty guilty. I do believe she will serve a long lengthy sentence. It doesn't change the fact that I still worry, though, bc even though Cheney gets on our nerves - he's an incredible lawyer. He knows his stuff. We might not think so but his track record speaks for itself. I don't want Casey walking...as a matter of fact, not at all.

Maybe if insects were trained to locate cadavers instead of using cadaver dogs, the corpses would be found sooner, rather than later, making it easier on the coroner to obtain the facts involved in the death of that cadaver before certain data is lost in the elements...just sayin'...

Hi TURBOTHINK, flamom, Groovy135, grace-land and 14 Guests that are viewing this topic.

I messed up. I didn't mean to say "not". It should read as this: I was stating that it's definitely not fact - that certain flies won't go near sausage or pepperoni, I wasn't making a suggestion that it could happen, no as I learned better in college.

? Is it a fact that anyone even received immunity yet? Not sure my dear. We were speculating a couple of days ago as to why Lee and/or George got immunity, if in fact either one got it yet. There was talk about Lee seeming to know where Caylee's body was, along with D Casey...but did either in fact obtain immunity? I just really hope Lee does the right thing and tells the truth, all of it. Enough with this wacko family getting away with this chit.

Hello Monkies,
I think that Italian flies will definitely go near pepperoni.

Personally I don't think jurors will even care about the air contents of Casey's trunk. IMO When they hear about the masking tape holding on the mandible and the hair and that Casey never actually reported her missing as well as the odor in the car,  that will be enough.  The rest, the tattoo, the tape, the rest of it will not stay with them.  What will stay with them, IMO, is seeing the video of Caylee singing "You are my Sunshine," and playing peek-a-boo with the tablecloth, and then seeing the photos of what remained of Caylee after six months in a swamp where Casey threw her. And all the time watching Casey smirk and preen.  It is enough to break your heart.  And it will break theirs.

Turbo, is that body farm near UT Hospital?  I once heard it was somewhere behind it.  It isn't near the vet school, is it?  I've been going there quite a bit recently.

I don't know anything about George getting immunity, but I do remember Lee's attorney saying something to the effect that he had been working for his client on an immunity agreement. (or something like that)  I do know with any immunity agreement if they tell ANY lies, or are proved to be misrepresenting anything it becomes null & void and they will usually be prosecuted for that plus the original criminal act. In order to get an immunity agreement the prosecution requires full disclosure during the time and all subsequent prosecutions if necessary. It is immunity because the prosecutor essentially agrees to never prosecute the crime that the witness might have committed in exchange for said evidence.

We don't know if Lee's immunity is transactional (that is, covering an entire category of behavior) or derivative use testimonial in nature (that is, covering direct or indirect use of your testimony or statements).

Where the story about George's might have come in is when witnesses are compelled by subpoena to appear before a grand jury are entitled to receive immunity in exchange for their testimony. The grant of immunity impairs the witness's right to invoke the Fifth Amendment protection against self-incrimination as a legal basis for refusing to testify.

It is directly behind the hospital. You can't get there from turning in the hospital entrance though. You have to take the Cherokee Trail along side of the hospital (where the pond is) then turn left into the employee's parking lot. The morgue is under the hospital there and if you look to your right up on the hill that is the Body Farm. There is a fenced area with a shed as you turn up the hill on the left.

I am in complete agreement with you about the specifics. The 31 days and then her mother had to call the police, the lies about work & the baby sitter kidnapping her, then the next story about them stealing her from the park, then the trip to Tampa & that bogus car wreck,  add the lies Cindy & George told  which will make them feel there was a cover up.

I don't put any stock in what the media says about any of it because they are not informed enough to even know how to write accurate articles about it most of the time. The ONLY one I trust is Kathy because she does research her information.

You must have mis-typed in a previous post as it did say you thought because it was new it would not be admissible. As for the chloroform test telling how much - that is not an issue for this evidence as you will see when the ruling comes down if I am right.

As for Mason, I have thoroughly researched his court records on trials and I cannot for the life of me see where everyone thinks he is a great lawyer. His record does not speak to that. I have read some of the transcripts from some of the trials and it appears to me he has made some serious mis-steps in his representation of his clients just like in this one. He is going to be an adversary for the jury if he starts that lying crap and misrepresenting the facts as he did in that last hearing as most people are too darn smart to fall for those old tricks. Back in the day where there were not videos of the proceeding they could review he might have been able to get away with such shenanigans, but in this day and time, he will be caught in his own web if he tries that.

ITA 100%

Brilliant!! you should email this to the prosecution.brilliant!

Actually that is a completely wrong statement - it is the jurors role to decide the law and facts. And it should not matter who gets to the facts as long as they get there - if either side has something to hide the jurors should be able to get to the truth.

Please note that nobody should get any ideas. I think there's a high fence now and it's closed to the public to keep the science behind the findings secure. It's not a fast process, the decomposition...it's slow and meticulously calulated. Every single piece of data, no matter how minute, is accounted for. The only people with access to the site now are the drs & students involved in the study. It smells...bad. I used Vick's Vapor Rub under my nose and ate peanuts for months...couldn't stomache meat at all. Once you smell decomposition, you'll never in your life forget it or successfully be able to compare it to anything else - except for another rotting corpse.

This is how I KNOW Cindy & George smelled decomp in the trunk, bc it's 100% unmistakable, it's distinct. Once they realized the repurcussions of the trouble Casey may be in, they hurried & backtracked to try to say it was pizza or rotting garbage, etc. It's bc right off the bat they began trying to save her life. I think they forgot that this is the same daughter that lied for a couple years as to where she was working, who was watching Caylee, who Caylee's father is, what Casey was doing during the days & nights without Caylee, the same daughter that stole off of her grandparents, stole off her bf Amy, stole Cindy's credit card & used up money in a checking a/c, the same biotch daughter that was such a liar & thief that she had to steal gas from her parent's shed in order to gas up her car & lied that her gas gauge was broken when in fact it was tested & worked fine - my gosh the list goes on.

It's my belief that if you make excuses for a lying kid, it justifies their lying habit, which in turn will mold them into an adult liar...instead it should be nipped in the bud as a child so they learn their lesson by being held accountable.

I agree for the most part - but some offspring are just bad seeds.  and I am not taking up for Casey.

If anyone is interested in the Body Farm here are some web sites with videos I have posted before. Dr. Bass is a close associate of mine and I have attended almost every lecture provided over a number of years. I adore the man.

http://www.jeffersonbass.com/videos.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSDCiOW81mk

http://www.sciencefriday.com/videos/watch/10032

BTW - there is nothing there which says Body Farm, but you can turn off the road behind the hospital to the right as I described and see the area and the fences if you want. Back in the day there were not even any locked fences to keep people out. It was all just wooded land up behind the hospital there. No one but hospital employees and students had any idea what was there though. There was an animal research building where the parking lot is now and most people thought it was connected to that and never went there.

If you are at the College of Veterinary Science then instead of turning onto Neyland Dr off the interstate, just go to the UT Hospital/ Cherokee Trail exit and follow Cherokee Trail to the road behind the parking garage and turn left. That takes you between the hospital and the Body Farm.

Omg Turbo - I wonder if you are a professor? I could have had you in college?

I absolutely love reading your insight. You lend so much expertise, at least from my perspective you do.

Not hiney kissing, just stating a fact.

Thank you for the links. Also, I remember Dr Baden did a series on The Body Farm on HBO...do you remember that? It was very interesting and I think one of the initial times it reached national exposure on a Media level, such as for entertainment to those audiences interested. I believe it aired around the same time his Autopsy series was shown on HBO. Anyway, just wanted to say thank you again. Your posts are moi interesting.

     ::rhino::

I can't imagine that anyone would "Get any ideas" about going there.  Actually, when I go to UT Hospital I go on Blount Avenue to Cherokee Trail.  I must have passed it.  I think I'll go a different route in the future.

Of course I don't know any of these people.  I would have no occasion to know them.  But I do know that Oak Ridge labs are world respected for their work, as well as having scientists from all over the world there.  I don't think two pipsqueaks like Baez and Mason are going to even understand this testimony, much less refute it.  They are so far in over their heads that they have no understanding of how outclassed they are.

Also, I was really impressed with the police officers in court in their suits and ties, looking very professional.  Contrast that with George and his lavender shirt and Lee in whatever it was he was wearing.  Goth?  The Anthonys have no pride in themselves.  How could they?

Also the work LE has done on this case is outstanding.  They really left no stone unturned. 

 ::rhino::

Yeah, and jeans...jeans... I would have never had the guts to wear jeans in a court of law. Isn;t it disrespectful or something? I mean, I thought with something of this caliber, professional attire would be a must. I'm not knocking what anybody would wear to court, but Casey is in jail and they are trying to save her life, right? So why disrespect the judge by wearing jeans for crying out loud? Or is that the norm nowadays?

I love the le, mmmm Yuri  ::MonkeyCool::

Hope you guys are right about Mason, though.

Hope this hasnt been posted:
A Look At Casey Anthony’s Recent Jail Visits

http://www.cayleedaily.com/2011/03/a-look-at-casey-anthonys-recent-jail-visits/

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Thank you loca.

YOUR WELCOME:)
hERE IS ANOTHER ONE:

Casey Anthony: What were biggest surprises at hearings?
posted by halboedeker on March, 9 2011 6:47 PM

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entert ... rings.html
Loca-  I've noticed lately some of the links you're posting are cut off, which makes a bad link.    Can you please post "good" links?  (I guess we'll have to discipline the "bad" links    ::MonkeyWink::  
Edit to include link per Titch:  http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2011/03/casey-anthony-what-were-biggest-surprises-at-hearings.html

What can we expect to come out in the Doc Dump this Friday?

Your link was cutoff, so I googled it. Here's the full link:
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2011/03/casey-anthony-what-were-biggest-surprises-at-hearings.html

 ::MonkeyCool:: And a Good monkey evening to you! thanks to everyone for posting links.. I have been using some spare time to revisit old interviews and documents thanks to the links I have followed

Just wanted to comment on court room attire. I served on a GJ and also had jury duty and 90% of the jury pool had on jeans and tees. This pool was made up of farmers(in liberties) and working stiffs that would leave court and head to jobs. No comment (except to thank people for participating) was ever made about attire.

I guess $300,000 dollars doesn't even guarantee you a visit from your attorney!
Casey is as dumb as a stump if she believes Bozo gives a rat's @ss about her!
Bozo cares about Bozo....PERIOD!

when we were at Casey's hearing, most everyone was dressed ok..
but others that were going into court rooms not so much..saw tank tops, pants on the ground, and even a strapless dress...Judge Judy would make that girl put on a sweater..
also, when we were going through the security line, I was next and put my purse on the conveyor belt and next thing I know, this girl had completely butted in line right in front of me..the security gal said to her, you can't just butt in front of somebody, you need to go back in line..and she made her go back to the end....people really have no respect for others anymore...

Was it Cindy?? ::MonkeyJnBox::

If she wasn't a murdering witch, you could almost feel sorry for her. No one really wants to fool with her anymore. They have spent her money and there is none to be collected much from the state anymore, so she is DONE with that law firm for all practical purposes now.

lol...no...

4-Donks, thank you. I've only been in court once in my life. I went from work, so I was dressed professionally. I didn't see anyone in jeans. I literally had no idea. So, maybe it's just the lawyers and experts that need to dress professional? I just read a comment that people even wear tank tops in the courtroom? Really?

Nancy Grace Parody Casey Anthony Case

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIoGJUWHpKQ

omg.....this is too funny! ::MonkeyHaHa::

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Absolutely right, Bearlythere.  That's why jurors are referred to as  the "Tryers of fact."
It seems to me that in recent years defense lawyers have switched from truth to any defense they can dream up, lies, imagination, whatever they can get away with--and it seems they can get away with anything.  The truth no longer has a place in defending a client, no matter what they've done.  A lawyer can be disbarred for suborning perjury, using a witness whom they know to be lying.  It that were enforced today, I don't think there would be many defense lawyers practicing law and quite a few in the slammer. 

Re: courtroom attire

The courtroom is a very conservative place. Business attire is what is appropriate. But as we all know, many people don't even know what business attire is. I personally think Lee was dressed inappropriately for court. Showed disrespect for the judge and the proceedings.

I grabbed this:
Although jeans have become a little bit more acceptable in certain courtrooms, they are very strongly discouraged, and some judges will be offended by them. The bottom line is, the way the judge sees it, if you don’t care enough about your appearance to try and make a good impression on the person who decides the fate of your finances, children’s custody, and many other personal issues, then there is an unstated assumption that you must not care about very much.

from here: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:wfWHAlzbl4wJ:www.lawfirms.com/feed-item/proper-courtroom-attire+florida+courtroom+attire&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.com

Sorry, I could only find the cached version.

I have served on a jury and everybody in the courtroom was dressed appropriately.  To me it's just a matter of respect for the court as well as self-respect.   In fact I was in Chancery Court myself a couple of weeks ago to be appointed as conservator for my sister-in-law who has Alzheimer's.  Everyone was dressed appropriately there, too.  Of course it was rather cold.  Maybe in hotter climates people dress more informally.

I don't think jeans are cooler (temperature-wise) than dress pants.

Just sayin'.

I would love for a juror to ask beotchface, so what were you doing for 31 days?  Wonder what the procedure is for questions.  Can a juror simply raise his/her hand to ask a qeustion or do they have to go through a note to judge, judge take it up with both sides, then might get an answer scenario. 

I am not familiar with Jar all that much, but from what I have seen so far, I am so not impressed.  His last defendent got death row, didn't he?  He bumbles around, using bluster and inuendo.  He sure does not show me he knows his stuff.  Maybe it is cause he has nothing to work with, who knows, but he looks like a fool.

I agree. If I were a juror i would be watching the defendant.  I would look at all the facts that make sense to me.  31 days is all I would need and her fugly mug primping all the time, doing facial contortions and her activities around the 31 missing days.  The larvae and other stuff is just background stuff to me.  It would mean nothing.

From what you have said, I got the following, the people at the Body Farm were able to get these things across to you.

From what I have observed so far, the prosecution is able to get their points across to us here at SM.

So, don't worry about the jury being able to get the information presented to them.

Can I introduce you to my friend?

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While working at a hospital in Respiratory Care, we had a patient on the regular floor whose family did not want her taken off the respirator.  She had started to decompose, at least around the ears that you could see.  When I walked into the room I could hardly draw a breath, it was that bad.  There is no garbage that smells like decomp.  The garbage might smell bad enough to make you want to cover your face and filter the air that comes in, but decomp takes your breath away to the point you don't want to take another breath.  You want to run from the room if you are caught unaware.  There is nothing like it, if you smelled it once, it stamps itself on your brain.  I cannot imagine the smell of that trunk, the woman I had as a patient was mostly intact and there was air circulating through her room,

I am so sorry Caylee, I am so so sorry Caylee, that the people who claim to love you the most have failed you the most.  In death, you have many that love you and will not let your short life be for nothing.  It is my hope that children will be saved, somewhere, as a result of your untimely death.  Your footprints, although tiny in size are deep in the impact they have made on people's hearts and lives.  Rest in the arms of the Lord, our sweet adopted one.

 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

George?

 ::MonkeyDevil::

Well put Bearly! What an impact those little feet made! RIP Sweet Caylee! Justice is coming baby!

Something happened recently that I found interesting. My hubby and I were standing in line at the grocery store. We both were talking about the hearing and about George and Cindy... how they suck at being grandparents. What they're doing is so disrespectful to  Caylee! A lady near us asked, with disgust, "Are ya'll talking about the parents of that casey girl?" Yep...the parents of that Casey girl. How do you like that George and Cindy?! Not referred to as "grandparents of sweet Caylee." You're both "Parents of that casey girl." An insulting thing to be called all due to your disgusting actions. I guess that's some sort of little justice for grandparents that won't even sit on that darlin baby's side of the courtroom...small justice as it is, to have branded yourself with it. You both earned the title well. Parents of a monster. And you're proud of it too. Wow!

When my husband found out that the A's most likely read here, he wanted to know if I'd type up a note for George. Hope ya'll don't mind...

To George Anthony... my husband suggests, and I agree with the suggestion, that you go to your wife's undie drawer, find your cojones, and put them back where they belong! Stop all the disgusting lying and conniving, and support your granddaughter's cause from here on out! And come hell or high water, stick with Caylee! You won't be alone! She has an army on her side! You can love kc, (no one is asking or expecting you not to) but to want to see her get away with murdering your granddaughter???, to help with that???, trying to blame someone innocent instead????, AND bad mouth those who put their lives on the line every day protecting and serving the community as you have the good people of OCSO... you are such a freaky version of Jekyll and Hyde! You've forgotten about that sweet little baby girl that called you JoJo! You started out doing what you know you should have... getting to the truth and you knew who had it! At first you acted the way any grandparent would in the horrific situation. But it's apparent that early on, you let cindy snip off your acorns! Go get em' back or grow a new pair! Remember how much that little girl depended on you and still does! Be HONEST! Sit on her side of the courtroom for once, and while you're there, how about apologizing to those who helped find all her little bones and are seeking justice for her? Maybe cindy would hate you for it, but you'd have the respect of Caylee's army! You won't be alone! We would gladly back you up no matter what cindy should throw at you for changing to the side you both should be on! Then you would have earned to be referred to as Caylee's grandpa. A title you should have always valued and never let anything or anyone even dare try to tarnish! Nothing is worth throwing away the respect and honor of a beautiful baby girl who was taken out of this world by someone she trusted. Nothing!

The man inside those purple shirts you wear should have much much more devotion to his granddaughter!!

http://www.wesh.com/r/27138532/detail.html
2011: Summer Of Big Trials In Central Fla.
Several Cases Scheduled To Head To Trial At Same Time
POSTED: 5:43 pm EST March 9, 2011
UPDATED: 6:30 pm EST March 9, 2011
Video at link.

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2011/03/09/caylee-anthony-case-battle-botanist/
Caylee Anthony case: Battle Botanist
Posted on March 9, 2011 by JWG

Awesome article!

Thanks to all the monkeys for the links shared here! You all make keeping up with the latest in this case so much easier! It's all right here at SM so we never miss a thing! Trimm, Tupelo, Seeme, loca, so many monkeys here do an awesome job keeping us all informed! Thanks so much to each and every one of you that share links and news! It's very much appreciated!

 ::HelloKitty:: Good Morning Monkeys!

Some great posts from last night, and a lot of love shown to Caylee.    ::MonkeyAngel::

When I was at the hearings and spent time with Amil from WS, she said Mason is well known for taking the cases no one else will touch. He takes on the losing cases, it's his thing. I guess as long as he gets paid, he doesn't care what the outcome is for his client.  So why is he on Casey's case?  No pay, his name being dragged through the mud.......I don't get it.

I think Friday's doc dump will have depositions but I'm hoping for some scientific info.

One day closer to Justice for Caylee!

Another great article!

Yep..As Mrs Pleasa , Casey Grandma, said:  I think Casey hated Cindy more then she loved Caylee.

Hope they put her on the stand so she can express her dealings with Casey, Cindy and our little angel Caylee.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Due tomorrow, March 11th @4pm

Defense Expert Report From Dr. Werner Spitz

http://www.wesh.com/casey-anthony-extended-coverage/26939391/detail.html

Seeme, I forgot, what is his area of expertise?

Dr. Werner Spitz provided the second autopsy, found no trauma on Caylee.

His field of expertise is Forensic Pathology.

Could be.  I don't wear jeans.  Don't even own a pair.

Thanks to loca and Titch for bringing up the Hal Boedeker blog:
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2011/03/casey-anthony-what-were-biggest-surprises-at-hearings.html

This is slightly OT but related; I noticed that ex-Orange County Commissioner Mildred Fernandez' public corruption trial will also take place in the courthouse in May. Her nam sunded familiar so I looked it up. IMO, she seemed to sympathize with the Atrocious Anthononys. Here's what I found:

 ::snipping::Orange County Commissioner Mildred Fernandez said she will request
that a deputy be assigned to the Anthony home on weekends as
protesters continue to demonstrate.
Several fights, scuffles and arguments have broken out at the home --
mostly on the weekends -- prompting numerous 911 calls to the home.
Fernandez said the request would be made as a last resort if a lawsuit
filed by the neighborhood's homeowners association fails. ::snipping2::
http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Sci/sci.med.psychobiology/2008-09/msg00111.html

 ::snipping::Commissioner Mildred Fernandez wanted the county to pay for off-duty officers to help keep the peace in the neighborhood. Fernandez wanted them to would work from 5:00 pm to 9:00 pm on Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays.  ::snipping2::
http://forum.baby-gaga.com/about338179.html

 ::snipping::Several commissioners raised their doubts about paying fees for Kronk. "This is not corporate America. This is taxpayers' money," Mildred Fernandez told WESH. ::snipping2::
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/06/casey-anthony-wftv-analyst-says-meter-reader-should-pay-his-attorneys-fees.html?wpmp_switcher=mobile

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