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Title: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 - 6/13/2011
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 20, 2011, 08:14:17 PM
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Case/Natalee-Home.gif)

************ IN 2011 ************   ::justice2NJ::  


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 20, 2011, 08:18:18 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 20, 2011, 08:20:08 PM
Thanks TM  ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 20, 2011, 08:23:20 PM
Thanks TM  ::justice2NJ::

YW...Thank You for the clean cage!   ::MonkeyDance::


 ::justice2NJ:: for Natalee and Stephany!   ::MonkeyGavel::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 20, 2011, 08:25:37 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/play2.jpg)

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 20, 2011, 08:29:58 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Matt_holloway.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Matt_hollowayfamilygall-550.jpg)

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 20, 2011, 08:32:22 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 20, 2011, 08:34:45 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 20, 2011, 08:48:09 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/HopeforNatalee_BoycottAruba.jpg)

 
http://www.wthitv.com/dpp/news/local/mother-continues-search-for-daughter

Mother continues search for daughter

Updated: Tuesday, 12 Apr 2011, 11:53 PM EDT
Published : Tuesday, 12 Apr 2011, 9:56 PM EDT

News Staff

Terre Haute, Ind. (WTHI) - She's a mother on a mission who claims she'll never stop searching for her daughter.

That's Beth Holloway.

She is the mother of Natalee Holloway, a girl from Alabama who went missing in Aruba back in 2005.

Beth spoke Tuesday at Saint Mary of the Woods College, and she had a strong message.

She claims that, six years later, she refuses to give up the search for her daughter.
 
::MonkeyAngel::

 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 20, 2011, 09:28:42 PM
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=8084024

Landfill searched for missing woman
Updated at 06:08 PM today

HOUSTON (KTRK) -- Police are searching a landfill in Montgomery County, hoping to find clues in the disappearance of a Conroe woman.

Conroe police say Martha Jimenez, 44, has been missing for 10 days. She was last seen at work on Sunday, April 10.

 ::snipping2::

Martha's husband, Luis Hernandez Jimenez, 54, is charged with tampering with evidence by giving a false statement. According to detectives, he said she had "just left" and appeared distraught.

"It was reported and the investigation led us to believe that she left on her own," Sgt. Smart said. "Then evidence surfaced later in the week that led us out (to the landfill)."

 ::snipping2::

Texas Equusearch is also assisting in the search. Founder Tim Miller calls conditions "difficult, but noy as bad as Aruba," where he searched for missing US teenager Natalee Holloway.

Cadaver dogs can't be used, Miller says, because they alert to medical waste in the landfill. More than 10acres of the landfill are being examined, layer by layer.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 20, 2011, 09:56:11 PM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=7017&offId=0&offDate=2011-4

Papiamentu translation:

59 minuut happen | fecha: 20/04/2011 | horario: 20:52

antisocialnan is causando daÑo irreparable at we turism, at mangel high they owing to steal bag for of tourist y bay cu they car of huur come across


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 20, 2011, 10:12:22 PM
http://berkeleybeacon.com/?p=436

Added: March 17th, 2011
Author: admin
Category: News

Pop quiz on popcorn-making

Xakota Espinoza, Beacon Staff


Coming to college, most students quickly learn the basics of dorm life: laundry, dishes, cleaning.
But microwaving popcorn? Apparently that is more complicated.

Around midnight on Tuesday evening, fire alarms in Piano Row went off as smoke filled the hallways of the fourth floor.
In response to the incident, Resident Assistants will be holding a “How To Make Popcorn: Fire Safety Tips” program this Thursday.
 ::snipping2::
Fourth floor RA Valentijn Van der Sloot saw the cause of the alarm as an opportunity to hold a popcorn-making program, aimed to teach residents the importance of fire safety while adding an aspect of fun and humor.
According to Van der Sloot, the event will include hanging out and making popcorn while going over proper fire procedures.

“[The plan] is to make a lot of popcorn and drop some fire safety knowledge,” the junior visual and media arts major said.
Discounting routine fire drills, Van der Sloot said this was the first fire alarm incident that he has been present for this year, but that most students seemed to know what to do.

“By going over the procedures we can eliminate that moment of hesitation [during a fire] where students are asking what they’re supposed to do,” he said.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 20, 2011, 11:27:49 PM
http://www.diario.aw/2011/04/seis-studiante-di-aruba-presenta-den-national-honors-society/

(http://www.diario.aw/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/nat_honors1.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

six student of aruba present in national honors society

publication: monday, 18 april 2011.

categoria: style y eventos, social y sorteo

oranjestad (aan): at international school or aruba owing to as one ceremonia for present the miembronan new of national honors society. the ceremonia owing to worde dirigi for ryan ollock, the chairman of honors society, srta gabriela garcia, y the director of school sarah therefore. putnamn. the studiantenan is worde selecciona for of middle school y high school, of acuerdo cu they result, liderato, personalidad, y servicio tanto at comunidad because; at school. the miembronan new is leeann rassool, oriella mansur, dylan guest, oriana mansur, jonah juliao, y maria andrade.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 20, 2011, 11:47:57 PM
THE PROVERBIAL DREADED PHONECALL

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway

Page 23:
  Rested and refreshed, we leave Memphis late Monday morning with Linda driving and Marilyn up front with her.  I take the backseat.  We sail along, chatting like we alway do, talking about our plans for another road trip one day soon.  Marilyn and I are happily speculating about what our daughters' reactions will be when they open their presents to find a set of extraordinary Wizard of Oz figures.  Natalee will gasp with excitement when she sees these.  Before we know it, we've crossed over into Mississippi.  Somewhere amid our conversation, between the chuckles and the small talk, my cell phone rings. I don't recognize the number, but answer it anyway, which I usually don't do.

It's a young girl.  "Mrs. Twitty?  My mom ... umm ... my mom, she umm ... wants to talk to you."  It's the daughter of Judi, the travel agent.  She developed appendicitis right before the trip, so she and Jodi didn't get to go to Aruba.  They are in Birmingham.  It seems like an eternity before Jodi takes the phone.

"Tell me what's going on," I say in a voice much firmer than the one I usually hear coming from my mouth.

She simply says, "Natalee didn't show up this morning to get on the plane."

And instantly I know.  It's more than a mother's intuition.  It's certainty.  Something terrible has happened.  I have just answered the proverbial dreaded phone call that no mother or father every wants to receive.  The one we fear from the moment our children are born.  The one that changes a parent's life forever.


I FEARED THE WORST BUT PRAYED FOR A MIRACLE

Aruba: The Tragic Untold Story of Natalee Holloway and Corruption in Paradise
by Dave Holloway

Page 6-7
:  On Monday, May 30, Natalee's trip came to an end, and she was due to fly home to Alabama.  But late in the afternoon, I received a call from Matt telling me that Natalee had missed her flight and that Beth was getting on a plane to Aruba. ....

Beth had flown out of Birmingham on a friend's private jet as soon as she learned that Natalee had missed her flight.  I contacted a commerical airline and booked the next flight out for 5:30 a.m. the following morning.

Later that night, Matt called again to tell me that Natalee's flight had been rebooked, and she would be coming home the next day.  Someone from Delta Airlines had confirmed that a female had called and changed the flight.

I cancelled my flight, but I was still concerned because no one had heard from Natalee.

The next morning, I started making more calls.  I could not reach Beth, and I was unable to get a member of the Aruban police force to talk to me on the phone about Natalee.

By noon I learned that Natalee was not getting on the plane.  I found out that it had been a chaperone from Natalee's group who had changed her flight in the hopes that she would reappear.  It was then that I knew something tragic must have happened.  I feared the worst, but prayed for a miracle.  I hung up the phone and broke down .....


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Lifesong on April 21, 2011, 12:01:30 AM

Tick-Tock Deepak!

 ::justice2NJ::

::MonkeyBike::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 21, 2011, 12:04:21 AM

Tick-Tock Deepak!

 ::justice2NJ::

::MonkeyBike::


::rhino:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Magnolia on April 21, 2011, 12:07:35 AM
http://www.diario.aw/2011/04/seis-studiante-di-aruba-presenta-den-national-honors-society/

(http://www.diario.aw/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/nat_honors1.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

six student of aruba present in national honors society

publication: monday, 18 april 2011.

categoria: style y eventos, social y sorteo

oranjestad (aan): at international school or aruba owing to as one ceremonia for present the miembronan new of national honors society. the ceremonia owing to worde dirigi for ryan ollock, the chairman of honors society, srta gabriela garcia, y the director of school sarah therefore. putnamn. the studiantenan is worde selecciona for of middle school y high school, of acuerdo cu they result, liderato, personalidad, y servicio tanto at comunidad because; at school. the miembronan new is leeann rassool, oriella mansur, dylan guest, oriana mansur, jonah juliao, y maria andrade.


Congratulations to them!   I know Jossy is proud.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 21, 2011, 01:55:55 AM
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Case/Natalee-Home.gif)

************ IN 2011 ************   ::justice2NJ:: 



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 21, 2011, 03:31:47 AM
Thank you, TM for the beautiful picture tribute to Natalee with her family!   ::MonkeyKiss::

 ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on April 21, 2011, 05:20:43 AM
Thank you, TM for the beautiful picture tribute to Natalee with her family!   ::MonkeyKiss::

 ::justice2NJ::

Yes, Sis, I want to thank you for that lovely walk down memory lane. 

The pictures are beautiful, but there are pictures that are missing.  Gone are pictures of Natalee's college graduation, homecoming pictures, pictures of her family visiting her at college, pictures of her dating, marrying, and the arrival of her babies, pictures of her as she pursues her career as a doctor, and so many great things she did along the way.  You see, Natalee did some things the way others did them and excelled at others, just like most of us.  Who knows how she would have changed not only her world, but ours?  We will miss how she personally would have rocked the world, everyone makes her mark on the world, some we could do without, but others will leave a hole where they once stood that will never fill in.  I think she is one of those people.  Her life story is incomplete, not only are the pictures missing, but so are the events that they would have represented.  We have all been cheated, Beth, Dave, and Nat's family have been cheated the most, but, make no mistake, we are all deprived.

 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on April 21, 2011, 12:18:17 PM


Natalee candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.msg878415#msg878415



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 21, 2011, 03:41:07 PM
THE STATIONS OF THE CROSS

Blessed Assurance

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway

Exerpts

Pages 100-103:
I rise and make my way up the hillside to the next cross and the next one and the next, repeating my prayers.

I am looking to the sky, which is growing bluer as dawn breaks, and talking to God.  And as I reach the fifth cross, the answer to these prayers comes.  Complete peace blankets me, and I am still.  It's a familiar feeling, yet unknown to me like this before now.  It comes in total stillness.  Silence. And in this instant I know that Natalee is with God.

I understand that from the moment she got into Deepak Kalpoe's car her heavenly Father wrapped His loving arms around her and cared for her through whatever ordeal she encountered that night.  I don't know if she is alive or not, but I know that He is with her.

He entrusted me with her care for eighteen years.  Now I must trust Him to care for her.  So I never ask Him why.  Why Natalee?  Why me?  I don't ask.  To do that undermines faith.  Instead, I form an "acceptance trust" with Him there on the windy hillside.  God never questioned me when she was in my care.  I must not question Him.  I realize that He is as proud of her as I am.

Thoughts of Natalee's personal relationship with God comes to me.  He knows her very well.  And she knows Him.

Natalee was very active in the Community Ministry for Girls in Mountain Brook all four years throughout high school.  The founder and director, Donna Greene, shared a special moment with me just before graduation.  Following the very last Bible group meeting about two weeks or so ago Natalee told her friends to go on without her.  She was excited and glowing as she told Donna that she knew for certain that she had communicated with God.  She knew He had heard her.

Donna's first words of support when Natalee went missing were, "She knows how to call on God".  In these thoughts I received the blessed assurance from the Creator that rescues me.  And I am at peace.

The weight is gone.  I move to the next cross, making my way on up the hill stopping and praying at all fourteen crosses.  The Stations of the Cross.  The depiction of the walk Jesus made to His crucifixion.

The sun is up as I reach the top of the hill to see the Alto Vista chapel.  When I step onto the chapel grounds I am free, Liberated from the pain for a precious few moments.  The wind is blowing hard, and I feel Natalee.  I talk to her.  Promise to find her.  Get justice for her.  And pledge never to give up.  Never.

I think about what just happened, pondering the human spirit.  Apparently it can withstand a lot more than I every dreamed possible.  Mom is right; God is good.  All my life I've heard people of many faiths talk about "taking it to the cross and turning it over to the Lord" or just simply "turning it over.  Not the work that has to be done.  Just the burden.  I cast it upon Him so that I may be sustained.  And I am renewed, resilient.  Thankful for however long this resurgence in energy will carry me.  I will pick up one foot and put it down.  Then the other one will follow.  I will breathe.  There is much to be done.


++++++


Beth Holloway: Natalee is With God

It's been nearly three years since Natalee Holloway was abducted on a high school trip to Aruba. Today, her mother shares how she's finally found peace.

http://www.cbn.com/media/player/index.aspx?s=/vod/BethHolloway_102207

klaasend


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 21, 2011, 03:52:39 PM
The Fifth Cross

2NJSons_Mom
Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
« Reply #380 on: January 15, 2011, 04:01:10 PM
»

I believe there are 14 stations of the cross.  If Beth stopped at the 5th station, it represents when Simon Helps Jesus Carry His Cross

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9031.msg1291068#msg1291068

:smt049

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THE STATIONS OF THE CROSS

Spiritual significance

The object of the Stations is to help the faithful to make a spiritual pilgrimage of prayer, through meditating upon the chief scenes of Christ's sufferings and death. It has become one of the most popular devotions for Roman Catholics, as well as featuring in the worship and devotion of other Christian denominations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stations_of_the_Cross#History


Traditional form

The Stations themselves are usually a series of 14 pictures or sculptures depicting the following scenes:

Jesus is condemned to death
Jesus is given his cross
Jesus falls the first time
Jesus meets His Mother
Simon of Cyrene carries the cross
 Veronica wipes the face of Jesus
Jesus falls the second time
Jesus meets the daughters of Jerusalem
Jesus falls the third time
Jesus is stripped of His garments
Crucifixion: Jesus is nailed to the cross
Jesus dies on the cross
Jesus' body is removed from the cross (Deposition or Lamentation)
Jesus is laid in the tomb and covered in incense.
 
Although not traditionally part of the Stations, the Resurrection of Jesus is sometimes included as a fifteenth station

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stations_of_the_Cross#History


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on April 21, 2011, 04:04:36 PM
(http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/4147/motiontocomeldetailofme.jpg)

(http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/7659/deepakatcnccw1.jpg)
Deepak was so damaged that he RETURNED TO CARLOS N' CHARLIES
Aug. 22: Scarborough Country obtains explosive and exclusive new video as one of the three suspects in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway returns to the place she was last seen alive.


In Deepak's depo he states:
When asked what Deepak meant when he said in the Skeeters taped interview:
"You'd be surprised how simple it was that night", DEEPAK TESTIFIED: "You
would be surprised how simple it was that night how uneventful that night
was, how short it was, just I dropped off two people and I went home."


THEN ON MONDAY HE RAN OVER TO PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT'S HOME, SAT BY THE POOL AND
GOT INSTRUCTIONS FROM PAULUS HOW TO DEFEND HIMSELF. If he only dropped Natalee
off at the beach, what would he need an attorney or instructions to defend himself for?




(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/Dompig/MDompigLadiesNight07302008SenorFrog.jpg)
DEEPAK AND MICHAEL DOMPIG at Senor Frogs


(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/Mexican_Night___Senor_Frogs__97_.jpg)
SATISH AT FORMER CNC's now Senior Frogs


(http://www.postimage.org/aVOjNqr.jpg)
DEEPAK KALPOE, KAWISH MISIER, SATISH KALPOE


(http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/493/kalpoelawsuitfilings.png)

(http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/4338/areleneshippers.jpg)

(http://img857.imageshack.us/img857/1294/kalpoesconsideredsuspec.jpg)





(http://scaredmonkeys.com/fun-images/Holloway_Kalpoes_small.jpg)
The Kalpoe’s were arrested by the ALE. They brought that upon themsleves. It was the 3 suspects who lied to the police and stated they returned Natalee Holloway to the Holiday Inn the night they drove off with her from Carlos ‘n Charlie’s. It was the suspects who lied about the two black security guards and implicated them in a crime where they were arrested. It was the three suspects who continually changed their stories and statements to the police and investigators.
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/07/12/dr-phil-attorneys-use-scared-monkeys-natalee-holloway-posts-as-exhibit-in-court-docs-against-deepak-satish-kalpoes/


The judge reasoned Friday that “the new evidence, together with the existing evidence in this case, produce serious grounds for the suspicion of some kind of aiding and abetting, of covering up the traces of a crime committed or of the disposing of a corpse,” prosecutors said.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/11/30/aruba.holloway/index.html
AND
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/11/30/natalee-hoolloway-investigation-aruban-judge-orders-kalpoe-brothers-to-be-released/


(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/observer0000007/judge.jpg)

"The Kalpoe brothers were previously jailed in the case, but were rearrested last week and charged with being involved in the "voluntary manslaughter" of Holloway.




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 21, 2011, 04:05:51 PM
There were some documents available in the Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil case today.  Nothing pertaining the Summary Judgement, only items pertaining the Motion to Compel.  I haven't had a chance to look them over yet for good stuff to post but I will hopefully by tonight.

Edit to add that I sent them to Kermit for a 2nd set of eyes.   ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on April 21, 2011, 04:06:50 PM
forgot to add, the first copy post is from the new motion to dismiss filed. I find it interesting they won't turn over information
to defend their position that they have been defamed claiming client/attorney privilege.

 ::MonkeyShovel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 21, 2011, 04:07:56 PM
forgot to add, the first copy post is from the new motion to dismiss filed. I find it interesting they won't turn over information
to defend their position that they have been defamed claiming client/attorney privilege.

 ::MonkeyShovel::

Thanks Kermit!  I just got home myself and I'm glad you were able to take a look at them.  Yeah, funny how they won't turn over this info.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on April 21, 2011, 04:08:02 PM

HAPPY EASTER


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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on April 21, 2011, 04:12:27 PM
forgot to add, the first copy post is from the new motion to dismiss filed. I find it interesting they won't turn over information
to defend their position that they have been defamed claiming client/attorney privilege.

 ::MonkeyShovel::

Thanks Kermit!  I just got home myself and I'm glad you were able to take a look at them.  Yeah, funny how they won't turn over this info.

Hi.
I read through them and the first one is interesting in that it explains the Kalpoes argument for the lawsuit, but when you read the statement it's very clear that the Kalpoes defense is attorney/client privilege and they won't turn over evidence claiming they'll wait until trail to show what they have.

First question I'd have if I were Dr. Phil's attorney is the above posts I just planted for Dr. Phils people, show em the photos
of them out having a good time.

They also won't turn over the emails between DOMPIG, John CHARLES CROES, ARLENE ELLIS-SCHIPPERS and someone else, can't recall that name, have to go back and relook at it.

In other words, look at the players in this.







Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on April 21, 2011, 04:13:29 PM
s/b TRIAL not trail.

wouldn't want the spelling polis debbie to go on a rant right before Easter.
 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on April 21, 2011, 04:15:20 PM
Yes and very much appreciated Klassend.
It's helpful to piece things together with information I have.
thank you.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 21, 2011, 04:19:40 PM
forgot to add, the first copy post is from the new motion to dismiss filed. I find it interesting they won't turn over information
to defend their position that they have been defamed claiming client/attorney privilege.

 ::MonkeyShovel::

Thanks Kermit!  I just got home myself and I'm glad you were able to take a look at them.  Yeah, funny how they won't turn over this info.

Hi.
I read through them and the first one is interesting in that it explains the Kalpoes argument for the lawsuit, but when you read the statement it's very clear that the Kalpoes defense is attorney/client privilege and they won't turn over evidence claiming they'll wait until trail to show what they have.

First question I'd have if I were Dr. Phil's attorney is the above posts I just planted for Dr. Phils people, show em the photos
of them out having a good time.

They also won't turn over the emails between DOMPIG, John CHARLES CROES, ARLENE ELLIS-SCHIPPERS and someone else, can't recall that name, have to go back and relook at it.

In other words, look at the players in this.







Exactly Kermit.  Especially when they were still under the hope that Dr. Phil would simply fold and settle with them for hundreds of thousands of dollars.  They were "living it up".   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 21, 2011, 04:36:38 PM
Here are the first 7 pages of the Notice of Motion to Compel filed by the defendants on 4/19/11 pertaining to the hearing scheduled for May 27, 2911.   I'll be posting those exact requests per their numbers as I find them.  This is a 68 page document:

Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW

Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending

Future Hearings

05/27/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Compel

06/06/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Final Status Conference (T/D 6-13-2011)

06/13/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Jury Trial (J/T 35 DAY EST.)

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 21, 2011, 05:03:20 PM
I'll post more later tonight.  Have to run out again for a while  ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: wreck on April 21, 2011, 05:22:33 PM
The whole purpose of having the Plaintiffs disclose their "damages" is so the Defendants can prepare a defense! It is not "attorney priviliged" info!! This whole "motion to compel" is assinine -- all this should have already been deliverered to the judge BEFORE "Summary Judgement".


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 21, 2011, 06:38:33 PM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/30707-mr-peter-blanken-tin-duda-cu-un-dia-joran-lo-por-bisa-e-berdad-encuanto-e-caso-di-natalee-holloway.html

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Papiamentu translation:

mr. peter blanken: have doubt cu one day joran will can tell the berdad encuanto the caso of natalee holloway

thursday, 21 april 2011 15:50

in one interview cu mr. peter blanken fiscal parent at ministerio publico owing to puntre if have cualkier novedad in the caso of nathallee holloway. keto bay in prensa at merca is saliendo very much cos. is comenta on declaracionnan cu joran van der sloot owing to haci at peru in cel together cu other presonan. the la declara cu the la bury the curpa in one kelder, at aruba, y cu the will can indica at where the kelder provided that cuestion will is. according joran, the is bury at north.

but according mr. blanken, this is more bien one history exagera of the periodistanan. in the declaracionnan of joran, not have nothing stop of thing prensa is write over of dje. ministerio publico did take notice of the declaracionnan here. according fiscal peter blanken they of ministerio publico is take all the cosnan here very at earnest. if they achieve more informacion, y in one meeting cu the team investigado, already was have talk over of one curpa bury in one kelder. y owing to base of esey, owing to bay open the cemetery, y not owing to come achieve curpa of natalee holloway, niun curpa miho tell. mr. peter blanken, is follow elabora cu owing to arrive at acuerdo cu if have more informacion over of the caso holloway, they will follow investiga, at the instant. but at the momentonan here, the informacion cu they owing to achieve of prensa, is so “onduidelijk” (unclear), cu they do not bay open investigacion of new. do not bale la pena. but if is so, cu if they achieve informacionnan concreto of joran, the hour ey they will follow cu investigacion. during interview cu peter blanken owing to puntre also without they have one form for arrive in contacto cu joran van der sloot on the ultimo declaracion. according the fiscal joran is come always cu various storia. now here not have claridad on thing is his various storianan. y always is stay ask about if have to take joran his storianan. cada trip have to bay see if the storianan or declaracionnan of joran is cuadra. aworaki is cuestion of keep when joran will wanted trece claridad on kico enberdad owing to sosode cu natalee. same is the caso of the ultimo noticianan. at instant cu have cierto claridad the storianan of joran the hour ey will can follow cu the investigacion. y esey is much fastioso. aworaki joran is close at peru, y not can trece aruba so not more. if arrive instant, cu can tell cu enberdad the joran is saying the berdad, the hour will take contacto joran, via the autoridadnan at peru. if this sosode, at where cu joran can is, as is at europa or another caminda, the will can indica via google earth, at where precisamente, the la hacie.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 21, 2011, 06:39:48 PM
The whole purpose of having the Plaintiffs disclose their "damages" is so the Defendants can prepare a defense! It is not "attorney priviliged" info!! This whole "motion to compel" is assinine -- all this should have already been deliverered to the judge BEFORE "Summary Judgement".


Giving the plaintiffs the benefit of the doubt ... it could be that the ongoing so-called Aruban investigation implied that Natalee Holloway case documents could not be released if requested by the defendants in the defamation lawsuit.  However ... considering the court was aware of the plaintiffs' position regarding this issue ... why was the lawsuit not dismissed four years ago by the court until such time that compliance was possible?

Janet

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Holloway Case: New Kalpoe Documents
Friday, September 14, 2007


JOHN KELLY, FAMILY'S ATTORNEY: I believe David Koch (ph), one of the attorneys for the Kalpoes actually signed a declaration at the court indicating that even if the court ordered the documents be turned over, they were not going to turn them over, which was sort of, for lack of a better word, arrogant on his part. The court did not necessarily like that.

But I can't see them both using the courts as a sword and then a shield. They can't bring this action, they can't seek damages and not obey the orders of the court and expect their case to go forward.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296798,00.html



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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: wreck on April 21, 2011, 06:45:12 PM
The whole purpose of having the Plaintiffs disclose their "damages" is so the Defendants can prepare a defense! It is not "attorney priviliged" info!! This whole "motion to compel" is assinine -- all this should have already been deliverered to the judge BEFORE "Summary Judgement".


Giving the plaintiffs the benefit of the doubt ... it could be that the ongoing so-called Aruban investigation implied that Natalee Holloway case documents could not be released if requested by the defendants in the defamation lawsuit.  However ... considering the court was aware of the plaintiffs' position regarding this issue ... why was the lawsuit not dismissed four years ago by the court until such time that compliance was possible?

Janet

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Holloway Case: New Kalpoe Documents
Friday, September 14, 2007


JOHN KELLY, FAMILY'S ATTORNEY: I believe David Koch (ph), one of the attorneys for the Kalpoes actually signed a declaration at the court indicating that even if the court ordered the documents be turned over, they were not going to turn them over, which was sort of, for lack of a better word, arrogant on his part. The court did not necessarily like that.

But I can't see them both using the courts as a sword and then a shield. They can't bring this action, they can't seek damages and not obey the orders of the court and expect their case to go forward.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296798,00.html



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That's the whole point ------ the DEFENDANTS get the benefit of the doubt, NOT the Plaintiffs!! It's beyond ridiculous.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 21, 2011, 06:47:43 PM
Thank you, TM for the beautiful picture tribute to Natalee with her family!   ::MonkeyKiss::

 ::justice2NJ::

yw CBB!   ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 21, 2011, 06:51:17 PM
Aruba is NEVER going to close the Natalee Holloway case.  If case documents are released ... the corrupt Aruban investigation will be revealed and ... the house of cards will collapse when those within the Aruban/Dutch administrations who participated in the established cover-up that prevented justice from prevaiing for an 18 year old American citizen will go down.

Janet

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WHEN THE CASE IS CLOSED

Growing Frustration in Aruba
Wednesday, July 06, 2005


GEORGE "JUG" TWITTY: I've tried every tactic. I think I've made every policeman, every person working on the case here, you know, mad. But you know, what I have to do as a stepfather to try to get Natalee back.  Well, the way the system works down here, when the case is closed, we will have all that information, and we can release it to the world.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161705,00.html



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 21, 2011, 06:52:41 PM
The whole purpose of having the Plaintiffs disclose their "damages" is so the Defendants can prepare a defense! It is not "attorney priviliged" info!! This whole "motion to compel" is assinine -- all this should have already been deliverered to the judge BEFORE "Summary Judgement".


Giving the plaintiffs the benefit of the doubt ... it could be that the ongoing so-called Aruban investigation implied that Natalee Holloway case documents could not be released if requested by the defendants in the defamation lawsuit.  However ... considering the court was aware of the plaintiffs' position regarding this issue ... why was the lawsuit not dismissed four years ago by the court until such time that compliance was possible?

Janet

+++++   

Holloway Case: New Kalpoe Documents
Friday, September 14, 2007


JOHN KELLY, FAMILY'S ATTORNEY: I believe David Koch (ph), one of the attorneys for the Kalpoes actually signed a declaration at the court indicating that even if the court ordered the documents be turned over, they were not going to turn them over, which was sort of, for lack of a better word, arrogant on his part. The court did not necessarily like that.

But I can't see them both using the courts as a sword and then a shield. They can't bring this action, they can't seek damages and not obey the orders of the court and expect their case to go forward.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296798,00.html



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That's the whole point ------ the DEFENDANTS get the benefit of the doubt, NOT the Plaintiffs!! It's beyond ridiculous.

 ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 21, 2011, 07:14:58 PM
Thank you, TM for the beautiful picture tribute to Natalee with her family!   ::MonkeyKiss::

 ::justice2NJ::

Yes, Sis, I want to thank you for that lovely walk down memory lane. 

The pictures are beautiful, but there are pictures that are missing.  Gone are pictures of Natalee's college graduation, homecoming pictures, pictures of her family visiting her at college, pictures of her dating, marrying, and the arrival of her babies, pictures of her as she pursues her career as a doctor, and so many great things she did along the way.  You see, Natalee did some things the way others did them and excelled at others, just like most of us.  Who knows how she would have changed not only her world, but ours?  We will miss how she personally would have rocked the world, everyone makes her mark on the world, some we could do without, but others will leave a hole where they once stood that will never fill in.  I think she is one of those people.  Her life story is incomplete, not only are the pictures missing, but so are the events that they would have represented.  We have all been cheated, Beth, Dave, and Nat's family have been cheated the most, but, make no mistake, we are all deprived.

 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::



ITA Sis!   ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 21, 2011, 07:16:42 PM
Thank you Klaas and anonymous monkey for providing the documents for us to see!   ::MonkeyKiss::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 21, 2011, 09:48:32 PM
TM - what is this?

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=7024&offId=0

atraco arm at g.f.p. international diahuebs night owing to enter informe of one atraco arm at g.f.p. international, at once owing to dirigi one patrol at the sitio. at arrival of the patrol owing to come compronde cu 2 man delega dress at black cu cara tapa owing to enter the lugar y owing to apunta cu one revolver apuntando on the child muher cu is atende y in spanish was tell for open the door. they owing to enter inside happen hand for some hundred guilder y owing to bay know

I googled GFP International:

G.F.P International N.V.

Phone Number   
Sividivi 1B Oranjestad, Aruba
Money transfer services


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 21, 2011, 09:58:09 PM
TM - what is this?

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=7024&offId=0

atraco arm at g.f.p. international diahuebs night owing to enter informe of one atraco arm at g.f.p. international, at once owing to dirigi one patrol at the sitio. at arrival of the patrol owing to come compronde cu 2 man delega dress at black cu cara tapa owing to enter the lugar y owing to apunta cu one revolver apuntando on the child muher cu is atende y in spanish was tell for open the door. they owing to enter inside happen hand for some hundred guilder y owing to bay know

I googled GFP International:

G.F.P International N.V.

Phone Number   
Sividivi 1B Oranjestad, Aruba
Money transfer services

Armed robbery, I thought it was a store when I first looked at it a little while ago... but maybe it's just a money transfer place?

Two guys dressed in black and armed with a revolver ordered the woman to open the door...they took the money and left.

More pictures of the establishment here:

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/30717-atraco-arma-riba-gfp-na-sividivi.html



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 21, 2011, 10:06:10 PM
You know for a small island that doesn't allow guns, they sure have a lot of guns  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 21, 2011, 10:11:05 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 21, 2011, 10:20:44 PM
You know for a small island that doesn't allow guns, they sure have a lot of guns  ::MonkeyCool::

That's the truth, I read about a lot of incidents with guns that I don't post about.  There are many reports of shots fired and by the time the police get there...the shooters are long gone.  Not long ago a security guard was shot at, I don't think they ever caught anyone then either.
 ::MonkeyNoNo::
 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 22, 2011, 04:20:29 AM
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Justice for Natalee,

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and Stephany!
 ::justice2NJ::
 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on April 22, 2011, 06:55:50 AM
Thank you, TM for the beautiful picture tribute to Natalee with her family!   ::MonkeyKiss::

 ::justice2NJ::

ITA  :smt038 :2notworthy:  and by the way....... I LOVE >>>  ::justice2NJ:: thank you


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: can on April 22, 2011, 10:08:05 AM
Thanks for the recent doc's Klaas and generous donor.

 ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 22, 2011, 10:28:08 AM
Doc's not available YET, maybe later today or tomorrow but it looks like they may be moving the trial date.  Still nothing on the Summary Judgement from the judge that I can see unless it is mentioned in the Stipulation filed on 4/21.  I'll keep looking for when these documents are available.

04/21/2011 Ex-Parte Application (TO SPECIALLY SET MOTIONS TO COMPEL )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

04/21/2011 Stipulation (stip to cont. t/d and fsc is signed this date. )
Filed by Clerk


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 22, 2011, 10:35:49 AM
THE STATIONS OF THE CROSS

Blessed Assurance

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway

Exerpts

Pages 100-103:
I rise and make my way up the hillside to the next cross and the next one and the next, repeating my prayers.

I am looking to the sky, which is growing bluer as dawn breaks, and talking to God.  And as I reach the fifth cross, the answer to these prayers comes.  Complete peace blankets me, and I am still.  It's a familiar feeling, yet unknown to me like this before now.  It comes in total stillness.  Silence. And in this instant I know that Natalee is with God.

I understand that from the moment she got into Deepak Kalpoe's car her heavenly Father wrapped His loving arms around her and cared for her through whatever ordeal she encountered that night.  I don't know if she is alive or not, but I know that He is with her.

He entrusted me with her care for eighteen years.  Now I must trust Him to care for her.  So I never ask Him why.  Why Natalee?  Why me?  I don't ask.  To do that undermines faith.  Instead, I form an "acceptance trust" with Him there on the windy hillside.  God never questioned me when she was in my care.  I must not question Him.  I realize that He is as proud of her as I am.

Thoughts of Natalee's personal relationship with God comes to me.  He knows her very well.  And she knows Him.

Natalee was very active in the Community Ministry for Girls in Mountain Brook all four years throughout high school.  The founder and director, Donna Greene, shared a special moment with me just before graduation.  Following the very last Bible group meeting about two weeks or so ago Natalee told her friends to go on without her.  She was excited and glowing as she told Donna that she knew for certain that she had communicated with God.  She knew He had heard her.

Donna's first words of support when Natalee went missing were, "She knows how to call on God".  In these thoughts I received the blessed assurance from the Creator that rescues me.  And I am at peace.

The weight is gone.  I move to the next cross, making my way on up the hill stopping and praying at all fourteen crosses.  The Stations of the Cross.  The depiction of the walk Jesus made to His crucifixion.

The sun is up as I reach the top of the hill to see the Alto Vista chapel.  When I step onto the chapel grounds I am free, Liberated from the pain for a precious few moments.  The wind is blowing hard, and I feel Natalee.  I talk to her.  Promise to find her.  Get justice for her.  And pledge never to give up.  Never.

I think about what just happened, pondering the human spirit.  Apparently it can withstand a lot more than I every dreamed possible.  Mom is right; God is good.  All my life I've heard people of many faiths talk about "taking it to the cross and turning it over to the Lord" or just simply "turning it over.  Not the work that has to be done.  Just the burden.  I cast it upon Him so that I may be sustained.  And I am renewed, resilient.  Thankful for however long this resurgence in energy will carry me.  I will pick up one foot and put it down.  Then the other one will follow.  I will breathe.  There is much to be done.


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Beth Holloway: Natalee is With God

It's been nearly three years since Natalee Holloway was abducted on a high school trip to Aruba. Today, her mother shares how she's finally found peace.

http://www.cbn.com/media/player/index.aspx?s=/vod/BethHolloway_102207

klaasend



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 22, 2011, 10:36:23 AM
The Fifth Cross

2NJSons_Mom
Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
« Reply #380 on: January 15, 2011, 04:01:10 PM
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I believe there are 14 stations of the cross.  If Beth stopped at the 5th station, it represents when Simon Helps Jesus Carry His Cross

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9031.msg1291068#msg1291068

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THE STATIONS OF THE CROSS

Spiritual significance

The object of the Stations is to help the faithful to make a spiritual pilgrimage of prayer, through meditating upon the chief scenes of Christ's sufferings and death. It has become one of the most popular devotions for Roman Catholics, as well as featuring in the worship and devotion of other Christian denominations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stations_of_the_Cross#History


Traditional form

The Stations themselves are usually a series of 14 pictures or sculptures depicting the following scenes:

Jesus is condemned to death
Jesus is given his cross
Jesus falls the first time
Jesus meets His Mother
Simon of Cyrene carries the cross
 Veronica wipes the face of Jesus
Jesus falls the second time
Jesus meets the daughters of Jerusalem
Jesus falls the third time
Jesus is stripped of His garments
Crucifixion: Jesus is nailed to the cross
Jesus dies on the cross
Jesus' body is removed from the cross (Deposition or Lamentation)
Jesus is laid in the tomb and covered in incense.
 
Although not traditionally part of the Stations, the Resurrection of Jesus is sometimes included as a fifteenth station

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stations_of_the_Cross#History



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 22, 2011, 10:41:10 AM
Doc's not available YET, maybe later today or tomorrow but it looks like they may be moving the trial date.  Still nothing on the Summary Judgement from the judge that I can see unless it is mentioned in the Stipulation filed on 4/21.  I'll keep looking for when these documents are available.

04/21/2011 Ex-Parte Application (TO SPECIALLY SET MOTIONS TO COMPEL )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

04/21/2011 Stipulation (stip to cont. t/d and fsc is signed this date. )
Filed by Clerk

Thanks for the update Klaas!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 22, 2011, 10:58:39 AM
 ::MonkeyShovel:: ::MonkeyShovel:: ::MonkeyShovel:: ::MonkeyShovel:: ::MonkeyShovel::
 ::MonkeySlide:: ::MonkeyDance::

Things that make you go hmmm....
Things that make you go hmmm, hmmm, hmmm....
Things that make you go hmmmmmm...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XF2ayWcJfxo ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
 
::MonkeyShovel:: ::dogwag::

J4N   ::MonkeyCool::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 22, 2011, 02:44:03 PM
http://www.businessifc.com/Jurisdictions/Aruba/general-information.htm

Financial Services

Centrale Bank van Aruba (supervises the financial system on Aruba)
Executive directors: Jane Semeleer and Kenneth Polvliet

JE Irausquin Boulevard 8
PO Box 18
Oranjestad, Aruba

Telephone: +297.525.2100
Fax : +297.525.2101

Website : www.cbaruba.org/cba

http://www.cbaruba.org/cba/readBlob.do?id=118
K.A.H. Polvliet
Acting President

Oranjestad, June 25, 1998


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http://www.geni.com/

Kenneth Polvliet

Son of Adrianus Polvliet and Violet Polvliet - Croes
Husband of Astrid Polvliet - den Boer
Father of Marisa Polvliet and Michelle Polvliet
Brother of Ingrid Angenent - Polvliet, Gretchen White - Polvliet and Christiaan Polvliet

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http://www.geni.com/people/Astrid-Polvliet-den-Boer/6000000001239406494

Astrid Polvliet - den Boer

Immediate Family:
Daughter of Henry Den Boer and Maria Den Boer - Oduber
Wife of Kenneth Polvliet
Mother of Marisa Polvliet and Michelle Polvliet
Sister of John Den Boer and Ruben Den Boer

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001036102105
Astrid Polvliet-den Boer

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1609246209&sk=friends
Barry Peters

Friends:

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Anita Hugen

Astrid Polvliet-den Boer

Celeste Den Boer Barrientos

Frances Timmer-Vredevoort

Hanni Peters-den Boer

Irwinda Den Boer- Wen

Kevin Timmer

Maiko Peters

Mark Peters

Marvin Peters

Natalia Den Boer

Patrick Timmer

Valentijn van der Sloot
Emerson · International School of Aruba

Wendy Peters

Wendy Peters

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http://www.clickonaruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=232:celebracion-di-nombracion-simultaneo-di-dos-director-ehecutivo&catid=44:events&Itemid=155

celebracion of nombracion simultaneo of two director ehecutivo

monday, 30 august 2010 18:49

written by administrator

Papiamentu translation:
 ::snipping2::

sr. kenneth polvliet, after of 19 year cu banco central owing to descend cu pensioen.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Interesting imo...

http://nl.linkedin.com/pub/michelle-polvliet/16/a75/7b8

http://www.samun.nl/?page_id=131

Michelle Polvliet, Secretary

My name is Michelle Polvliet. I grew up on the Dutch Caribbean island of Aruba. As a 23 year old graduate law student with an international and multicultural background the United Nations has always been of great interest to me. This year I started my second Masters degree in international and European law and so SAMUN was a perfect fit for me. As the SAMUN board secretary my main task consists of answering all your questions, membership and providing you with information regarding SAMUN. If you have any questions please don’t hesitate to send an email. I look forward to build a solid group of delegates this year to participate in the MUN’s with us. With a strong group of delegates we can reach our goals and make every experience a unique one. Together in unity we can help foster better understanding which will lead to better cooperation in this world!

http://nl.linkedin.com/pub/marisa-polvliet/b/155/901

Marisa Polvliet

Account Manager Sales at UPS

I thought that was interesting too!  Rang a bell anyway...


This is just some of the 16 pages of links etc. that I've got saved so far, but I think I've given you enough to think about the possible connections here.
 
::MonkeyCool::

Especially if you go back and read this post by Kermit!  JMO    ::MonkeyWink::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9456.msg1327416#msg1327416

::FlyingFrog::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: wreck on April 22, 2011, 03:41:36 PM
Doc's not available YET, maybe later today or tomorrow but it looks like they may be moving the trial date.  Still nothing on the Summary Judgement from the judge that I can see unless it is mentioned in the Stipulation filed on 4/21.  I'll keep looking for when these documents are available.

04/21/2011 Ex-Parte Application (TO SPECIALLY SET MOTIONS TO COMPEL )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

04/21/2011 Stipulation (stip to cont. t/d and fsc is signed this date. )
Filed by Clerk
If they are setting a new trial date -- then there is no Summary Judgement (UNLESS the "Motion to Compel" is strictly for the judge needing more information before they make a Summary Judgement decision).

 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 22, 2011, 04:23:24 PM
Doc's not available YET, maybe later today or tomorrow but it looks like they may be moving the trial date.  Still nothing on the Summary Judgement from the judge that I can see unless it is mentioned in the Stipulation filed on 4/21.  I'll keep looking for when these documents are available.

04/21/2011 Ex-Parte Application (TO SPECIALLY SET MOTIONS TO COMPEL )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

04/21/2011 Stipulation (stip to cont. t/d and fsc is signed this date. )
Filed by Clerk
If they are setting a new trial date -- then there is no Summary Judgement (UNLESS the "Motion to Compel" is strictly for the judge needing more information before they make a Summary Judgement decision).

 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

Makes sense!  It could be that Motion to Compel hearing is a continuation of the Summary Judgement hearing.

Maybe the Kalpoes' attorneys will be "compelled" to provide proof of damages and ... maybe the Kapoes' attorneys will be "compelled" to finally comply with the court request of February 2008 to provide case documents that will support the contention of the defence that defamation did not happen.

Otherwise ... LAWSUIT DISMISSED!!!

Janet

++++++

Judge: Holloway-related suit goes on against CBS and ’Dr. Phil’ McGraw
By Associated Press
Wednesday, February 6, 2008


LOS ANGELES - A judge refused to dismiss a defamation suit Tuesday against CBS and television psychologist "Dr. Phil" McGraw brought by two brothers who were questioned in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

William Cremer, the lead attorney for Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, praised the decision by Superior Court Judge Edward A. Ferns.

<snipped?

In their dismissal motion, attorneys for CBS Television and McGraw maintained lawyers for the Kalpoes did not meet deadlines to produce all documents they have demanded concerning the criminal case investigation against the brothers in Aruba.

But the judge gave the Kalpoes’ lawyers another five days to satisfy the document deadline.

"The documents are relevant to the most fundamental issues in this case," Ferns stated in his ruling. "There is no other (information) which can substitute for the documents sought by the defendants due to the nature of this case."

<snipped>

http://www.bostonherald.com/track/celebrity/view.bg?articleid=1071660


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 22, 2011, 05:05:46 PM
 ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 22, 2011, 06:08:51 PM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=7033&offId=0&offDate=2011-4

Papiamentu translation:

1 hora happen | fecha: 22/04/2011 | horario: 16:10

boat tattoo is tell aruba good-bye

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/7033/2_1303503302.jpg)

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/7033/3_1303503302.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 22, 2011, 06:42:17 PM
http://www.aruba.com/forum/f10/tattoo-party-boat-still-around-50687/

04-18-2011, 01:06 PM      #5 (PERMALINK)
Mr. Ratt
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2007
 ::snipping2::


Ladies and Gents, here's the poop on the Tattoo.
It's been sold, actually went "out of service" so to speak about a month ago, and it's been sold to a company that is in the process of building another "bigger and better" mate to the Tattoo. As we speak, if you were to see it sitting in the water you'd wonder when it was going to sink... all the ballast has been pretty much removed and the motors are weighing her down in the water.

At any rate, she's going to be back in service (by new owners) manana.
And we all know what that means...

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 22, 2011, 08:13:20 PM
Trial date moved to October:

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5265/5644963290_9a0b85e209_b.jpg)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5069/5644397363_db18d27d16_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 22, 2011, 08:37:59 PM
Trial date moved to October:

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5265/5644963290_9a0b85e209_b.jpg)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5069/5644397363_db18d27d16_b.jpg)

 ::MonkeyShocked::

October!!!

I can only assume that the court made the decision not to dismiss the defamation lawsuit in regards to the Summary Judgement motion filed by Phil McGraw's attorneys.

Thanks Klaas.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 22, 2011, 08:56:39 PM
It makes sense that after over four years of failing to comply with the court's request to produce case documents ... those case documents are not going to be forthcoming in the June, 2011 Motion to Compel hearing.  Will the judge throw out the defamation lawsuit or ... will the case be allowed to proceed to trial?

Considering Deepak Kalpoe has been deemed by Aruba no longer a suspect in the Natalee Holloway case ... could it be that the disputed segments of the Dr. Phil recording will stand alone?  Was it or was it not deceptively manpulated?

Janet




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 22, 2011, 08:57:34 PM
More from the Dr. Phil team, objections to the objection to the Summary Judgement

Deepak and Satish think they can change their story as much as Joran and we won't remember  ::MonkeyCool:: :



(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5027/5596525990_1ed0f09683_b.jpg)





Hans Mos

Aruban Press Conference 01/06/09
Press Anouncement


Ladies and gentlemen!

The Public Prosecutors Office Aruba and the Aruban Police Force would like to give you an updated summary about the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway …

• Amongst the witnesses were the two brothers who previously were suspects in this case but who, by the new statements of Joran, received an alibi from Joran, when he told the under cover that the two brothers are “jerks” who don’t know anything about what had happened … .

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/01/06/aruba-prosecutor-5-page-letter-dont-miss-the-part-where-he-trashes-fox-and-menever-dull/

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg614673#msg614673


William Cremer

Feb 6, 2008 5:00 am US/Pacific
Former Holloway Suspects Can Sue Dr. Phil


A judge refused to dismiss a defamation suit Tuesday against CBS and television psychologist "Dr. Phil" McGraw brought by two brothers who were questioned in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

William Cremer, the lead attorney for Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, praised the decision by Superior Court Judge Edward A. Ferns.

"I'm going to take Dr. Phil down," he said outside the courtroom.

The ruling came a day after ABC's "20/20" aired a secretly recorded conversation involving Joran Van der Sloot ....

Cremer said the taped remarks by Van der Sloot, which were secretly recorded by a Dutch crime reporter, help his clients' defamation case.

"It pretty much exonerates my boys, doesn't it?" Cremer said.

<snipped>

http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 22, 2011, 09:02:46 PM
It makes sense that after over four years of failing to comply with the court's request to produce case documents ... those case documents are not going to be forthcoming in the June, 2011 Motion to Compel hearing.  Will the judge throw out the defamation lawsuit or ... will the case be allowed to proceed to trial?

Considering Deepak Kalpoe has been deemed by Aruba no longer a suspect in the Natalee Holloway case ... could it be that the disputed segments of the Dr. Phil recording will stand alone?  Was it or was it not deceptively manpulated?

Janet




Since there has been no decision filed on the Summary Judgement, I 'm wondering if it too has been postponed pending the June Motion to Compel deadline?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 22, 2011, 09:18:08 PM
It makes sense that after over four years of failing to comply with the court's request to produce case documents ... those case documents are not going to be forthcoming in the June, 2011 Motion to Compel hearing.  Will the judge throw out the defamation lawsuit or ... will the case be allowed to proceed to trial?

Considering Deepak Kalpoe has been deemed by Aruba no longer a suspect in the Natalee Holloway case ... could it be that the disputed segments of the Dr. Phil recording will stand alone?  Was it or was it not deceptively manpulated?

Janet




Since there has been no decision filed on the Summary Judgement, I 'm wondering if it too has been postponed pending the June Motion to Compel deadline?

Could be.  It would make sense that the court has all the documentation relating to case files and alleged damages prior to a Summary Judgement.

However ... I cannot comprehend why the Summary Judgement hearing was scheduled prior to the Motion to Compel hearing.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 22, 2011, 10:31:14 PM
Trial date moved to October:

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5265/5644963290_9a0b85e209_b.jpg)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5069/5644397363_db18d27d16_b.jpg)

Thanks for posting the documents Klaas!   ::MonkeyKiss::

And thanks again to the anonymous monkey that purchases them!   ::MonkeyKiss::

I can't imagine having to wonder what's going on with the court case, it may be dragging along but at least we have some idea of what's happening...or at least the dates as they keep changing!
 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 22, 2011, 11:48:48 PM
If the family relations are correct, it connects a dot or two.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 22, 2011, 11:56:46 PM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=7033&offId=0&offDate=2011-4

Papiamentu translation:

1 hora happen | fecha: 22/04/2011 | horario: 16:10

boat tattoo is tell aruba good-bye

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/7033/2_1303503302.jpg)

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/7033/3_1303503302.jpg)

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/30739-tattoo-di-aruba-a-sali-pa-bulgaria.html

Papiamentu translation:

tattoo of aruba owing to leave for bulgaria

friday, 22 april 2011 19:24

diabierna sand the famous boat of placer tattoo owing to leave for bulgaria. the boat here is one of esnan cu for some year was one atraccion big for turistanan y also localnan. have various version rond of tattoo. one of they're cu the boat will achieve one luga special in one museum. others is tell cu they owing to cumpr'e y hib'e for haci usage of dje for actividadnan at bulgaria. for of the area of palm beach the boat tattoo owing to nabega till at barcadera. at barcadera was have one barco big sperando on dje. cu one kraan of the barco self owing to saca the boat tattoo for of water y so place on the barco cu will hib'e his destiny. so all the history of the boat tattoo here at aruba is happen for history. this is the of two boat cu the compania owing to employ for eventonan social cu musica etc. practicamente all his tripnan was complete y till even bandanan local owing to entretene at several ocasion all esnan cu owing to lever for her ambiente cu always tattoo owing to ofrece. some time happen one another boat of placer also owing to wordo bendi at auction y one are of portugal owing to cumpra this y bay cun’e also.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 23, 2011, 01:57:51 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/StephanyFlores_ll1-1.jpg)

and Stephany!
 ::justice2NJ::
 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 23, 2011, 10:06:09 AM
If I understand this correctly, the lady tourist says the ring was stolen from the hotel room, they called the police.  The police took the report, but aren't so sure it was stolen.

Of course nothing like that could EVER happen on One Happy Island!  ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyRoll::

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/30743-renchi-di-38-mil-dollar-a-perde-na-tamarijn-hotel.html

Papiamentu translation:

ring of 38 thousand dollar owing to lose at tamarijn hotel

saturday, 23 april 2011 00:09

diabierna night presencia of police owing to wordo ask at tamarijn hotel for one caso of ladronicia. owing to come across cu turistanan cu wanted owing to haci denuncia of they pertenencianan in camber. police owing to atende cu the turistanan. according version of the lady tourist, past owing to arrive in camber y achieve miss of one ring balora at 38 thousand dollar. police did take the complaint of the tourist. polisnan is place very atencion on type of denuncianan so. have tourist is throw stop so for so cobra they seguro while cu they not owing to lose they pertenencianan genuinely.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on April 23, 2011, 01:57:09 PM
(http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/6884/drphiltapesalteredevide.png)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 23, 2011, 02:00:30 PM
(http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/6884/drphiltapesalteredevide.png)


Excellent Kermit!  I'm glad you got a chance to delve further into those documents. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 23, 2011, 02:20:11 PM
Deepak Kalpoe out partying with Michael Dompig was posted here on August 2, 2008.  The website it was taken from has changed since then and I wasn't able to find a cached page with the picture.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3128.msg403728#msg403728

(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/Dompig/MDompigLadiesNight30SENORFROGS_0-1.jpg)

(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/Dompig/MDompigLadiesNight07302008SenorFrog.jpg)

Ladies Night Jam Packed @ Senor Frogs 7/30
http://www.mifm1075.com/


In the description they have in the Coolaruba gallery Aug 30, but it was actually July 30, 2008.  The picture of Satish was also posted here on August 2, 2008

http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=446372&g2_page=4

http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=447295

(http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=447297&g2_serialNumber=4)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3128.msg403949#msg403949


Knowing how it works in Aruba it wouldn't surprise me at all if there are actually some pictures of Deepak on the same disk with the picture of Satish from that night that weren't posted on the Coolaruba website...jmo



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 23, 2011, 02:22:52 PM
The "Mexican Night at Senor Frogs" pictures start here at picture number 156 (the one with Satish is number 159) and goes through 298.

Coolaruba/Gallery / Hot Zone Ladies Night every wednesday 30Aug / Mexican Night @ Senor Frogs

http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=446372&g2_highlightId=447304

Michael Dompig (number 163....note same shirt as in the picture with Deepak)

http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=447283

(http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=447285&g2_serialNumber=4)

Same couple that was in the picture with Deepak Kalpoe and Michael Dompig

http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=447094

(http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=447096&g2_serialNumber=4)

and again...

http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=447091

(http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=447093&g2_serialNumber=4)




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 23, 2011, 02:31:34 PM
Familiar faces I recognized from the Coolaruba album...

Greg Croes at the same event (yellow shirt)

http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=447190

(http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=447192&g2_serialNumber=4)

Mark Purcell Jr's wife (on right) at the same event...

http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=447223

(http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=447225&g2_serialNumber=4)

and again...

http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=447220
(http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=447222&g2_serialNumber=4)

Luis Betancourt (green/blue striped shirt) at the same event

http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=447148

(http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=447150&g2_serialNumber=4)


Allan Raphael at the same event....

http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=447085

(http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=447087&g2_serialNumber=4)

and again...

http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=447079

(http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=447081&g2_serialNumber=4)

again with Rex Ponson

http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=447067

(http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=447069&g2_serialNumber=4)

Just sayin'... ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 23, 2011, 02:39:04 PM
(http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/6884/drphiltapesalteredevide.png)


 ::rhino:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 23, 2011, 02:42:29 PM
Satish in July 2006.  The date of the photo is in the file name  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 23, 2011, 02:50:46 PM
A couple of Deepak's myspaces


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 23, 2011, 02:50:55 PM
(http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/6884/drphiltapesalteredevide.png)


Thanks Kermit

I am still on the fence.  It does not make sense that the financial backers of this defamation lawsuit would have embarked on this journey unless they had been convinced by the NFI findings that the Phil McGraw recording was deceptively manpulated.

Think about it. Those financial backers realize that the truth can be so easily revealed ... the truth the lies within Jamie Skeeters' hard drive.

It appear that rather than defending the integrity of the disputed segments of the Dr. Phil recording ... the defence which is being furthered is that the Kalpoes prior reputation implies they cannot be defamed.

If the lawsuit is not thrown out by the court in a Summary Judgement and ... a trial is where it is at ... the truth that lies within Skeeters' hard drive will be revealed once and for all.

Janet

+++++++


Surinamese brothers sue Dr. Phil for defamation
Daily News Wire
Article Last Updated: 06/13/2008 08:52:49 AM PDT


LOS ANGELES - Two brothers who filed an $800 million defamation suit against Dr. Phil McGraw and CBS over a broadcast concerning the disappearance of Natalee Holloway are already too tarnished to claim libel, according to attorneys for the defendants.

<snipped>

The "Dr. Phil" segment included statements by Deepak Kalpoe that were "significantly manipulated and altered," the suit alleges.

<snipped>

But in court papers filed Wednesday, attorneys for CBS, McGraw and Kay Skeeters -- widow of Jeremy Skeeters, a private investigator hired by McGraw to interview Deepak Kalpoe -- maintain the brothers are "libel-proof."

They say the brothers' reputations were irreparably stained by prior published accounts of the Holloway case, meaning they cannot claim to have been damaged by the "Dr. Phil" broadcast.

<snipped>

http://origin.dailynews.com/breakingnews/ci_9575645



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on April 23, 2011, 03:04:49 PM
(http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/6884/drphiltapesalteredevide.png)


Thanks Kermit

I am still on the fence.  It does not make sense that the financial backers of this defamation lawsuit would have embarked on this journey unless they had been convinced by the NFI findings that the Phil McGraw recording was deceptively manpulated.

Think about it. Those financial backers realize that the truth can be so easily revealed ... the truth the lies within Jamie Skeeters' hard drive.

It appear that rather than defending the integrity of the disputed segments of the Dr. Phil recording ... the defence which is being furthered is that the Kalpoes prior reputation implies they cannot be defamed.

If the lawsuit is not thrown out by the court in a Summary Judgement and ... a trial is where it is at ... the truth that lies within Skeeters' hard drive will be revealed once and for all.

Janet

+++++++


Surinamese brothers sue Dr. Phil for defamation
Daily News Wire
Article Last Updated: 06/13/2008 08:52:49 AM PDT


LOS ANGELES - Two brothers who filed an $800 million defamation suit against Dr. Phil McGraw and CBS over a broadcast concerning the disappearance of Natalee Holloway are already too tarnished to claim libel, according to attorneys for the defendants.

<snipped>

The "Dr. Phil" segment included statements by Deepak Kalpoe that were "significantly manipulated and altered," the suit alleges.

<snipped>

But in court papers filed Wednesday, attorneys for CBS, McGraw and Kay Skeeters -- widow of Jeremy Skeeters, a private investigator hired by McGraw to interview Deepak Kalpoe -- maintain the brothers are "libel-proof."

They say the brothers' reputations were irreparably stained by prior published accounts of the Holloway case, meaning they cannot claim to have been damaged by the "Dr. Phil" broadcast.

<snipped>

http://origin.dailynews.com/breakingnews/ci_9575645



I am confused, what does the area I bolded mean exactly?



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 23, 2011, 03:05:09 PM
It is my sincere prayer that the Dr. Phil recording was not deceptively manipulated.  Natalee Holloway's parents are believers that there was admission by Deepak ... an admission that should have been regarded as crucial evidence by the Aruban investigation into the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005.

Janet

+++++

It's Devastating!

Dr. Phil - January 29, 2006


<snipped>

If somebody presents you with false hope and false information, it's devastating.

<snipped>

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/3041/?id=1&slide=3&null=null[/b]


Natalee's Mother

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Nov. 30th
updated 9:10 a.m. PT, Thurs., Dec. 1, 2005


<snipped>

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY‘S MOTHER: You know, Rita, when they use the word “manipulated,” they really need to use the word “edited.” And the tape that they‘re saying was manipulated was the one that was shown on Dr. Phil, it was edited. It was edited for television. You can‘t get a 20-second or a 6-second sound bite out of two-and-a-half hours. And you know, yes, Deepak did respond to Jamie‘s question that they all had sex with her. And he even (INAUDIBLE) You‘d be surprised how simple it was that night.

RITA COSBY, HOST:  So there was nothing taken out of context, as they‘re even suggesting?

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: No, not that I could see, Rita. But you know, I know that Jamie Skeeters will have to give the information on the tapes, but I do stand by him and his validity on the tapes, Rita

<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10281941/


Natalee's Father

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Nov. 30th
updated 9:10 a.m. PT, Thurs., Dec. 1, 2005


<snipped>

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY‘S FATHER: I listened to all of it this afternoon.

RITA COSBY, HOST:  Was anything doctored, anything manipulated? What I mean is, anything taken out of context?

HOLLOWAY: No, I don‘t believe so. I think what Dr. Phil‘s show did
was edited the tape. From what I can understand, you know, this tape has -
the air-conditioner came on about the time Deepak walked in the room, so you‘ve got a lot of snow in there. But essentially, from what I understand, he said—there was kind of a stutter after Jamie asked the question, and that stuttering part I believe was taken out of the tape. And then he said, No, we did. You‘d be surprised how easy it was that night.

COSBY: Do you believe, based on everything you‘ve heard...

HOLLOWAY: I think what the Aruban...

COSBY: Do you believe he‘s saying that they did have sex with her? Is that what you believe?

HOLLOWAY: Oh, yes. Absolutely. You can‘t have a negative and then turn around and then support it with a positive. I mean, they‘ve got to put the whole sentence together for it to make sense. If they said, No, we didn‘t, and then turn around and said, You wouldn‘t believe how simple it was, that just—that just doesn‘t make sense.

<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10281941/




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 23, 2011, 03:18:22 PM
Hi Bearlyhere

The foundation of this huge defamation lawsuit appears to be whether or not the Dr. Phil recording was deceptively manipulated.  It makes sense to me that the financial backers must have received confirmation that a manipulation did occur prior to filing this huge lawsuit.  These financial backers realize the truth will be revealed ... the truth which can be extracted from Jamie's hard drive.

Janet

++++++

NFI Findings?

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for December 1
updated 7:37 a.m. PT, Fri., Dec. 2, 2005


ARLENE ELLIS SCHIPPER, ARUBAN STRATEGIC COMM. TASK FORCE: Well, it's not what I think, it is what the Dutch forensic institute thinks and what we have also requested the FBI to confirm, which confirmation we haven't received yet. However, the NFI had four investigators separately look at these tapes, and they say that the Dr. Phil show tapes were edited for content in the following order. Just before the word “she,” there was a cut. And just after the word “did,” there was a cut. And then they compared it to the CD-ROM that Mr. Skeeters sent the officials, and you have seen that piece, and it says, “No, she didn't.” And he shakes his head while doing—while saying that.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 23, 2011, 04:56:05 PM
Hi Bearlyhere

The foundation of this huge defamation lawsuit appears to be whether or not the Dr. Phil recording was deceptively manipulated.  It makes sense to me that the financial backers must have received confirmation that a manipulation did occur prior to filing this huge lawsuit.  These financial backers realize the truth will be revealed ... the truth which can be extracted from Jamie's hard drive.

Janet

++++++

NFI Findings?

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for December 1
updated 7:37 a.m. PT, Fri., Dec. 2, 2005


ARLENE ELLIS SCHIPPER, ARUBAN STRATEGIC COMM. TASK FORCE: Well, it's not what I think, it is what the Dutch forensic institute thinks and what we have also requested the FBI to confirm, which confirmation we haven't received yet. However, the NFI had four investigators separately look at these tapes, and they say that the Dr. Phil show tapes were edited for content in the following order. Just before the word “she,” there was a cut. And just after the word “did,” there was a cut. And then they compared it to the CD-ROM that Mr. Skeeters sent the officials, and you have seen that piece, and it says, “No, she didn't.” And he shakes his head while doing—while saying that.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536

I disagree.  The financial backers thought it would be a "slam dunk" and that rather than fight, the Dr. Phil team would settle quickly out of court.  NOT GOING TO HAPPEN EVER. 

The only thing I have seen from the NFI is that the tape was edited (which is to be expected) to fit into the time frames of the show.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Buckeye on April 23, 2011, 05:27:12 PM
Hi Bearlyhere

The foundation of this huge defamation lawsuit appears to be whether or not the Dr. Phil recording was deceptively manipulated.  It makes sense to me that the financial backers must have received confirmation that a manipulation did occur prior to filing this huge lawsuit.  These financial backers realize the truth will be revealed ... the truth which can be extracted from Jamie's hard drive.

Janet

++++++

NFI Findings?

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for December 1
updated 7:37 a.m. PT, Fri., Dec. 2, 2005


ARLENE ELLIS SCHIPPER, ARUBAN STRATEGIC COMM. TASK FORCE: Well, it's not what I think, it is what the Dutch forensic institute thinks and what we have also requested the FBI to confirm, which confirmation we haven't received yet. However, the NFI had four investigators separately look at these tapes, and they say that the Dr. Phil show tapes were edited for content in the following order. Just before the word “she,” there was a cut. And just after the word “did,” there was a cut. And then they compared it to the CD-ROM that Mr. Skeeters sent the officials, and you have seen that piece, and it says, “No, she didn't.” And he shakes his head while doing—while saying that.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536

I disagree.  The financial backers thought it would be a "slam dunk" and that rather than fight, the Dr. Phil team would settle quickly out of court.  NOT GOING TO HAPPEN EVER. 

The only thing I have seen from the NFI is that the tape was edited (which is to be expected) to fit into the time frames of the show.

and...even that was word of mouth.  I have never seen an NFI document.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: sandy leiva on April 23, 2011, 06:10:20 PM
If I understand this correctly, the lady tourist says the ring was stolen from the hotel room, they called the police.  The police took the report, but aren't so sure it was stolen.

Of course nothing like that could EVER happen on One Happy Island!  ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyRoll::

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/30743-renchi-di-38-mil-dollar-a-perde-na-tamarijn-hotel.html

Papiamentu translation:

ring of 38 thousand dollar owing to lose at tamarijn hotel

saturday, 23 april 2011 00:09

diabierna night presencia of police owing to wordo ask at tamarijn hotel for one caso of ladronicia. owing to come across cu turistanan cu wanted owing to haci denuncia of they pertenencianan in camber. police owing to atende cu the turistanan. according version of the lady tourist, past owing to arrive in camber y achieve miss of one ring balora at 38 thousand dollar. police did take the complaint of the tourist. polisnan is place very atencion on type of denuncianan so. have tourist is throw stop so for so cobra they seguro while cu they not owing to lose they pertenencianan genuinely.


Last line says the police believe the tourist claiming it was stolen but are not convinced and believe the tourist just wants to claim the insurance that was on the ring which was insured for 38thousand dollars.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 23, 2011, 06:41:30 PM
Senor Frogs - 3rd Anniversary - April 22, 2011

(http://www.24ora.com/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures//senor_frogs_aruba_3rd_anniversary_22april11_324/senor_frogs_aruba_3rd_anniversary_20110423_1737363215.jpg)





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 23, 2011, 06:41:37 PM
It has been well over four years since the court gave the Kalpoes' attorney a FIVE DAY deadline to comply with the request to turn over case documents and ... still the lawsuit has not been thrown out.  WHY?

I contend that the ongoing defamation lawsuit has something to do with the fact that the Kalpoes ... despite the SUSPICIONS that could be revealed in case document ... have been deemed by Aruba no longer suspects in the Natalee Holloway case.  In other words ... at this point in time they are considered legally innocent under Dutch Law ... innocent of all wrongdoing against the person of Natalee Holloway.

I contend that the ongoing defamation lawsuit has something to do with the Kalpoes' attorneys remaining steadfast in their position that the Dr. Phil recording was deceptively manipulated and ... therefore defamed Deepak and Satish who are legally innocent under Dutch law.

Could it that the Kalpoes' attorneys have convinced the court that the disputed segments of the Dr. Phil recording should stand alone for judgement.  In other words ... have the Kalpoes' attorneys convinced the court that no incriminating case documents should be admissible now that Deepak and Satish are deemed innocent under Dutch law.

I just cannot ignore the fact that the Kalpoes attorneys did not pull out from this lawsuit four years ago when it was realized that a quick settlement was not to be.  I just cannot ignor the fact that the case was not dismissed by the court when compliance did not happen time and time again in regards to the ongoing request for case documents.

Anyways ... the outcome will be what the outcome will be.  If the case is dismissed between now and the trial or ... the Kalpoes lose big time in a court of law ... Tamikosmom will be rejoicing while she eats an entire Humple Pie.

Have a nice Easter all!

 :flower:

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 23, 2011, 07:47:43 PM
It is my sincere prayer that the Dr. Phil recording was not deceptively manipulated.  Natalee Holloway's parents are believers that there was admission by Deepak ... an admission that should have been regarded as crucial evidence by the Aruban investigation into the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005.

Janet

+++++

It's Devastating!

Dr. Phil - January 29, 2006


<snipped>

If somebody presents you with false hope and false information, it's devastating.

<snipped>

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/3041/?id=1&slide=3&null=null[/b]


Natalee's Mother

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Nov. 30th
updated 9:10 a.m. PT, Thurs., Dec. 1, 2005


<snipped>

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY‘S MOTHER: You know, Rita, when they use the word “manipulated,” they really need to use the word “edited.” And the tape that they‘re saying was manipulated was the one that was shown on Dr. Phil, it was edited. It was edited for television. You can‘t get a 20-second or a 6-second sound bite out of two-and-a-half hours. And you know, yes, Deepak did respond to Jamie‘s question that they all had sex with her. And he even (INAUDIBLE) You‘d be surprised how simple it was that night.

RITA COSBY, HOST:  So there was nothing taken out of context, as they‘re even suggesting?

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: No, not that I could see, Rita. But you know, I know that Jamie Skeeters will have to give the information on the tapes, but I do stand by him and his validity on the tapes, Rita

<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10281941/


Natalee's Father

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Nov. 30th
updated 9:10 a.m. PT, Thurs., Dec. 1, 2005


<snipped>

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY‘S FATHER: I listened to all of it this afternoon.

RITA COSBY, HOST:  Was anything doctored, anything manipulated? What I mean is, anything taken out of context?

HOLLOWAY: No, I don‘t believe so. I think what Dr. Phil‘s show did
was edited the tape. From what I can understand, you know, this tape has -
the air-conditioner came on about the time Deepak walked in the room, so you‘ve got a lot of snow in there. But essentially, from what I understand, he said—there was kind of a stutter after Jamie asked the question, and that stuttering part I believe was taken out of the tape. And then he said, No, we did. You‘d be surprised how easy it was that night.

COSBY: Do you believe, based on everything you‘ve heard...

HOLLOWAY: I think what the Aruban...

COSBY: Do you believe he‘s saying that they did have sex with her? Is that what you believe?

HOLLOWAY: Oh, yes. Absolutely. You can‘t have a negative and then turn around and then support it with a positive. I mean, they‘ve got to put the whole sentence together for it to make sense. If they said, No, we didn‘t, and then turn around and said, You wouldn‘t believe how simple it was, that just—that just doesn‘t make sense.

<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10281941/




Do you ever even read the quotes that you post? 

Did you read these before you used them right after proclaiming that you're "on the fence" about this subject?

I do realize that we're not to post entire articles but the extent to which you've snipped the first quote and the context in which you've used it is very offensive to me.  To use Beth's words in the context of her (and/or Dave) even possibly being provided "false hope and false information" by Jamie Skeeters and/or Dr. Phil's group regarding the recordings and what Jamie Skeeters KNEW for a fact he heard with his own ears is unacceptable imo; and you should be ashamed of yourself.  But I'm sure you're not!

This is the original quote by Beth on Dr. Phil's show, and I think I've posted enough for the complete CONTEXT of her statement to be understood...I can't imagine why someone who supposedly supports her would EVER even consider using it otherwise!

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/3041/?id=3041&slide=2&showID=&preview=&versionID=

"There are times when we're thinking that we need to continue, and of course we're still searching for answers, but it's this rollercoaster ride. And it makes me so angry, Dr. Phil, when I let myself fall for information coming out of an official who represents the island of Aruba. If somebody presents you with false hope and false information, it's devastating."

If you want to trust and believe Arlene Ellis Schipper over Beth and Dave enough to be "on the fence" about this subject, that's your choice. 

It speaks volumes IMO.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 23, 2011, 08:10:17 PM
It is my sincere prayer that the Dr. Phil recording was not deceptively manipulated.  Natalee Holloway's parents are believers that there was admission by Deepak ... an admission that should have been regarded as crucial evidence by the Aruban investigation into the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005.

Janet

+++++

It's Devastating!

Dr. Phil - January 29, 2006


<snipped>

If somebody presents you with false hope and false information, it's devastating.

<snipped>

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/3041/?id=1&slide=3&null=null
[/b]


Natalee's Mother

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Nov. 30th
updated 9:10 a.m. PT, Thurs., Dec. 1, 2005


<snipped>

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY‘S MOTHER: You know, Rita, when they use the word “manipulated,” they really need to use the word “edited.” And the tape that they‘re saying was manipulated was the one that was shown on Dr. Phil, it was edited. It was edited for television. You can‘t get a 20-second or a 6-second sound bite out of two-and-a-half hours. And you know, yes, Deepak did respond to Jamie‘s question that they all had sex with her. And he even (INAUDIBLE) You‘d be surprised how simple it was that night.

RITA COSBY, HOST:  So there was nothing taken out of context, as they‘re even suggesting?

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: No, not that I could see, Rita. But you know, I know that Jamie Skeeters will have to give the information on the tapes, but I do stand by him and his validity on the tapes, Rita

<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10281941/


Natalee's Father

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Nov. 30th
updated 9:10 a.m. PT, Thurs., Dec. 1, 2005


<snipped>

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY‘S FATHER: I listened to all of it this afternoon.

RITA COSBY, HOST:  Was anything doctored, anything manipulated? What I mean is, anything taken out of context?

HOLLOWAY: No, I don‘t believe so. I think what Dr. Phil‘s show did
was edited the tape. From what I can understand, you know, this tape has -
the air-conditioner came on about the time Deepak walked in the room, so you‘ve got a lot of snow in there. But essentially, from what I understand, he said—there was kind of a stutter after Jamie asked the question, and that stuttering part I believe was taken out of the tape. And then he said, No, we did. You‘d be surprised how easy it was that night.

COSBY: Do you believe, based on everything you‘ve heard...

HOLLOWAY: I think what the Aruban...

COSBY: Do you believe he‘s saying that they did have sex with her? Is that what you believe?

HOLLOWAY: Oh, yes. Absolutely. You can‘t have a negative and then turn around and then support it with a positive. I mean, they‘ve got to put the whole sentence together for it to make sense. If they said, No, we didn‘t, and then turn around and said, You wouldn‘t believe how simple it was, that just—that just doesn‘t make sense.

<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10281941/


Considering the defamation lawsuit has gone on for so long without being dismissed by the court ... I suspect that maybe ... just maybe for the sake of ratings ... Phil McGraw and ... ONLY Phil McGraw may have had been involved in the manipulation of the recording given him by Jamie Skeeters.  I could be wrong.

However ... if my suspicions are revealed as valid ... I would consider this deception a betrayal to Natalee Holloway's parents who have been on a six year quest for the truth.

Janet

+++++


It's Devastating!

Dr. Phil - January 29, 2006


<snipped>

"There are times when we're thinking that we need to continue, and of course we're still searching for answers, but it's this rollercoaster ride. And it makes me so angry, Dr. Phil, when I let myself fall for information coming out of an official who represents the island of Aruba. If somebody presents you with false hope and false information, it's devastating."

<snipped>

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/3041/?id=1&slide=3&null=null


SUPERIOR COURT OF CALIFORNIA, COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES

Page 14:
  To the extent that the Dr. Phil Show Defendants can be shown to have been negligent or reckless in the way they edited the show and thus potentially liable, there is no competent showing the Defendant Skeeter was so involved.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/kalpoedrphil050609awm.pdf


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 23, 2011, 08:26:45 PM
An investigation of the Skeeters' hard drive which is in the possession of the FBI will reveal the truth in regards to editing or manipulation once and for all.

Janet

++++++


THE HARD DRIVE

Tale of the Tape Thursday
December 01, 2005


<snipped>

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN:  Dr. Phil and his staff stand by the tape they aired and claim Deepak admitted — and not denied — to having sex with Natalee. A representative for the "Dr. Phil" show specifically said that the show 1) Did not manipulate the Deepak tape in any way; 2) Did not alter what Deepak said in any way and 3) That they would give us [today] the tape they worked from so that we could inspect it to verify what they were claiming …

The representative also said the show stands by its position that Deepak said on tape, "You would be surprised how simple it was...." The implication of that quote is that Deepak had sex with Natalee.

We are also curious what the FBI has to say about the content of this interview. I was told by Jamie Skeeters on the phone the other night that he originally "taped" this interview directly to his computer hard drive and that he gave the hard drive to the FBI. Of course this hard drive — the "original" — is what will tell us exactly what was said or not said  — provided it can be adequately enhanced and analyzed. We don't have access to that hard drive so even after evaluating all the tapes and CD's given us, there could still remain in my mind some question.

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,177286,00.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Rob on April 23, 2011, 10:51:46 PM
I, fortunately, have the NFI letter.. as back up - which you shall all see when the time is right.

As I have shown all docs, letters, and correspondence... I have that letter addressed to Jamie from the NFI.

And that letter exonerates Jamie.

As I have the letter, so do the Paramount attorneys. Which I am quite sure is ready for entry into evidence should it be needed.

Happy Easter All.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 23, 2011, 11:00:22 PM
I, fortunately, have the NFI letter.. as back up - which you shall all see when the time is right.

As I have shown all docs, letters, and correspondence... I have that letter addressed to Jamie from the NFI.

And that letter exonerates Jamie.

As I have the letter, so do the Paramount attorneys. Which I am quite sure is ready for entry into evidence should it be needed.

Happy Easter All.


Thanks Rob, I remembered something to that affect and I'm glad you have saved that copy of the NFI letter.  Good to see you!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 23, 2011, 11:44:55 PM
I, fortunately, have the NFI letter.. as back up - which you shall all see when the time is right.

As I have shown all docs, letters, and correspondence... I have that letter addressed to Jamie from the NFI.

And that letter exonerates Jamie.

As I have the letter, so do the Paramount attorneys. Which I am quite sure is ready for entry into evidence should it be needed.

Happy Easter All.


Thank you Rob! It's always great to see you.  I hope you have a Happy Easter too.
 
 ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Magnolia on April 24, 2011, 12:28:34 AM
It is always good to see Rob, especially when he is bringing good news!

I miss him.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on April 24, 2011, 12:30:11 AM
I, fortunately, have the NFI letter.. as back up - which you shall all see when the time is right.

As I have shown all docs, letters, and correspondence... I have that letter addressed to Jamie from the NFI.

And that letter exonerates Jamie.

As I have the letter, so do the Paramount attorneys. Which I am quite sure is ready for entry into evidence should it be needed.

Happy Easter All.

::monkeywine2:: Good Stuff. If Dr. Phil's attorneys are up to draining more money out of Assruba, I'm all for it. I'd like the Judge to rule in favor of Dr. Phil in the summary judgement, but would much rather see those two Leprechauns get GRILLED by Dr. Phil's attornys. You think they'd use the info that many great monkey's have acquired over time? I do... ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on April 24, 2011, 12:40:09 AM
How ironic would it be if a leprechaun was on the stand, and they introduced into evidence, material from Scared Monkeys while a Pak or Tish was on the stand. I would frame the picture of their reaction. No S**t. Seriously, I would. Right above my monitor... ::MonkeyHaHa::


::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 24, 2011, 01:30:52 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon.jpg)

and Stephany!
 ::justice2NJ::
 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: wreck on April 24, 2011, 02:30:54 AM
As I have said all along -- the judge has not and CANNOT rule on the evidence in the case -- only the PROCEEDURAL matters so far. That begs the question -- who has been bankrolling this case for the Kalpoes for 6 years?????????? The answer is: someone who is not paying for the bills out of their own pocket.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: can on April 24, 2011, 06:00:49 AM
If I understand this correctly, the lady tourist says the ring was stolen from the hotel room, they called the police.  The police took the report, but aren't so sure it was stolen.

Of course nothing like that could EVER happen on One Happy Island!  ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyRoll::

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/30743-renchi-di-38-mil-dollar-a-perde-na-tamarijn-hotel.html

Papiamentu translation:

ring of 38 thousand dollar owing to lose at tamarijn hotel

saturday, 23 april 2011 00:09

diabierna night presencia of police owing to wordo ask at tamarijn hotel for one caso of ladronicia. owing to come across cu turistanan cu wanted owing to haci denuncia of they pertenencianan in camber. police owing to atende cu the turistanan. according version of the lady tourist, past owing to arrive in camber y achieve miss of one ring balora at 38 thousand dollar. police did take the complaint of the tourist. polisnan is place very atencion on type of denuncianan so. have tourist is throw stop so for so cobra they seguro while cu they not owing to lose they pertenencianan genuinely.


Last line says the police believe the tourist claiming it was stolen but are not convinced and believe the tourist just wants to claim the insurance that was on the ring which was insured for 38thousand dollars.

Thanks Sandy. 
Wish I had a nickel for every time they use the insurance mantra.  Blaming the victim seems to be all they know.
 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: can on April 24, 2011, 06:02:49 AM
Hi Bearlyhere

The foundation of this huge defamation lawsuit appears to be whether or not the Dr. Phil recording was deceptively manipulated.  It makes sense to me that the financial backers must have received confirmation that a manipulation did occur prior to filing this huge lawsuit.  These financial backers realize the truth will be revealed ... the truth which can be extracted from Jamie's hard drive.

Janet

++++++

NFI Findings?

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for December 1
updated 7:37 a.m. PT, Fri., Dec. 2, 2005


ARLENE ELLIS SCHIPPER, ARUBAN STRATEGIC COMM. TASK FORCE: Well, it's not what I think, it is what the Dutch forensic institute thinks and what we have also requested the FBI to confirm, which confirmation we haven't received yet. However, the NFI had four investigators separately look at these tapes, and they say that the Dr. Phil show tapes were edited for content in the following order. Just before the word “she,” there was a cut. And just after the word “did,” there was a cut. And then they compared it to the CD-ROM that Mr. Skeeters sent the officials, and you have seen that piece, and it says, “No, she didn't.” And he shakes his head while doing—while saying that.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536

I disagree.  The financial backers thought it would be a "slam dunk" and that rather than fight, the Dr. Phil team would settle quickly out of court.  NOT GOING TO HAPPEN EVER. 

The only thing I have seen from the NFI is that the tape was edited (which is to be expected) to fit into the time frames of the show.

ITA Klaas.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: can on April 24, 2011, 06:06:16 AM
I, fortunately, have the NFI letter.. as back up - which you shall all see when the time is right.

As I have shown all docs, letters, and correspondence... I have that letter addressed to Jamie from the NFI.

And that letter exonerates Jamie.

As I have the letter, so do the Paramount attorneys. Which I am quite sure is ready for entry into evidence should it be needed.

Happy Easter All.


Thanks Rob.  Nice to see you surface.   ::MonkeyJnBox::  Happy Easter.

 ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: can on April 24, 2011, 06:08:19 AM
As I have said all along -- the judge has not and CANNOT rule on the evidence in the case -- only the PROCEEDURAL matters so far. That begs the question -- who has been bankrolling this case for the Kalpoes for 6 years?????????? The answer is: someone who is not paying for the bills out of their own pocket.

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: can on April 24, 2011, 06:11:09 AM

Happy Easter Monkeys!   ::MonkeyKiss::

Special thoughts to Natalee and Stefany's loved ones as Easter passes without their beloved daughters. 

 ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on April 24, 2011, 06:12:42 AM
I, fortunately, have the NFI letter.. as back up - which you shall all see when the time is right.

As I have shown all docs, letters, and correspondence... I have that letter addressed to Jamie from the NFI.

And that letter exonerates Jamie.

As I have the letter, so do the Paramount attorneys. Which I am quite sure is ready for entry into evidence should it be needed.

Happy Easter All.


Thanks Rob.  Nice to see you surface.   ::MonkeyJnBox::  Happy Easter.

 ::justice2NJ::

 ::rhino::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 24, 2011, 11:05:06 AM
http://www.boletinextra.com/index.php/polis/69-policial/7694-polis-a-detene-taxista-burachi

Papiamentu translation:

police owing to detene taxista sober

sunday, 24 april 2011 05:31 1 comments

saturday in oranan of night fast driftwood restaurant asistencia of police owing to being ask for one taxista sober behind stuur here of trip police motoriza owing to present at the sitio. at arrival of the patrol is come across cu the car of the taxista tx-379 conocido honey cual was below ; influencia of alcohol. police owing to dicidi at detene y bay cu the car keep for motibo do not bay lage on caya caminda the have cu deal cu turistanan y can bay cause one desgracia debi at his estado cu the was is y owing to dune one camber free for relax.

http://startaruba.com/honey.html





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: SuzieQ on April 24, 2011, 12:00:05 PM
http://www.boletinextra.com/index.php/polis/69-policial/7694-polis-a-detene-taxista-burachi

Papiamentu translation:

police owing to detene taxista sober

sunday, 24 april 2011 05:31 1 comments

saturday in oranan of night fast driftwood restaurant asistencia of police owing to being ask for one taxista sober behind stuur here of trip police motoriza owing to present at the sitio. at arrival of the patrol is come across cu the car of the taxista tx-379 conocido honey cual was below ; influencia of alcohol. police owing to dicidi at detene y bay cu the car keep for motibo do not bay lage on caya caminda the have cu deal cu turistanan y can bay cause one desgracia debi at his estado cu the was is y owing to dune one camber free for relax.

http://startaruba.com/honey.html





That is funny, but I bet they could find a lot more if they looked. ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on April 24, 2011, 12:21:56 PM


At first I thought someone got arrested because they were sober.

 ::MonkeyConfused::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 24, 2011, 12:30:13 PM
That taxi guy reminds me of Kalani in the Caylee Anthony case.  That look must be reserved for kooks  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5227/5649625161_3db3093fcb_o.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 24, 2011, 12:31:17 PM


At first I thought someone got arrested because they were sober.

 ::MonkeyConfused::



It is confusing, but from what I can tell...Sober=Drunk in Aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 24, 2011, 12:34:37 PM
http://www.aruba.com/forum/f38/pimped-taxi-45000/

Pimped Taxi
Hi,
We were last on Aruba in 2008 and had a fantastic taxi - a black cadillac, furry seats, dice, gold, skulls everywhere ... we kept his card but have lost it recently and we're coming back in June ... want to use this taxi again !!!
 ::snipping2::

That would be Honey. He usually is parked at La Cabana but I didn't see him there this year. I have his card somewhere. If I find it, I will post his information.


there's a picture of my husband in it in the gallery...it was certainly a fun ride !!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on April 24, 2011, 01:32:59 PM
HAPPY EASTER



 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 24, 2011, 02:42:55 PM
Happy Easter All!  Yes, HE IS RISEN!   ::MonkeyAngel::

http://youtu.be/pLLMzr3PFgk

Great front page post!   ::MonkeyCool::

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2011/04/24/happy-easter-2011-from-scared-monkeys-%e2%80%a6-he-is-risen-truly-he-is-risen/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 24, 2011, 03:25:08 PM
http://www.boletinextra.com/index.php/polis/69-policial/7694-polis-a-detene-taxista-burachi

Papiamentu translation:

police owing to detene taxista sober

sunday, 24 april 2011 05:31 1 comments

saturday in oranan of night fast driftwood restaurant asistencia of police owing to being ask for one taxista sober behind stuur here of trip police motoriza owing to present at the sitio. at arrival of the patrol is come across cu the car of the taxista tx-379 conocido honey cual was below ; influencia of alcohol. police owing to dicidi at detene y bay cu the car keep for motibo do not bay lage on caya caminda the have cu deal cu turistanan y can bay cause one desgracia debi at his estado cu the was is y owing to dune one camber free for relax.

http://startaruba.com/honey.html


http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=7056&offId=0&offDate=2011-4

Papiamentu translation:

16 hora happen | fecha: 24/04/2011 | horario: 22:46

police owing to detene chofer of taxi because the was core zigzag on caminda come across

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/7056/2_1303657204.jpg)

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/7056/3_1303657203.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 24, 2011, 05:01:28 PM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/30768-tsunami-a-sali-pa-fiesta-na-corsou.html

tsunami owing to leave for party at corsou

sunday, 24 april 2011 16:29

specialmente for celebra pasco of resureccion, owing to organisa the party "hotel royale" in hyatt regency at corsou. at the ocasion here owing to invita cache deluxe (randy cornelia) y tsunami of aruba for present. 

::snipping2::

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1...images.stories.news.2011.april.apr24.Tsunami.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on April 24, 2011, 06:00:08 PM

(http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/246/nscarborougharubaupdate.jpg)
DEEPAK BEFORE DR. PHIL - CAUGHT ON SCARBOROUGH CAMERAS INSIDE CARLOS N'CHARLIES!



(http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/8249/nadriatheyalllie.jpg)
Jamie Skeeters interview with - NADRIA: "COME ON WE ALL LIE."


(http://img863.imageshack.us/img863/2378/boysmurdered.jpg)
BEFORE DR. PHIL show

(http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/3791/drphilkalpoe.jpg)
BEFORE DR. PHIL

(http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/1217/skeeterssmall.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 24, 2011, 06:38:48 PM

(http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/246/nscarborougharubaupdate.jpg)
DEEPAK BEFORE DR. PHIL - CAUGHT ON SCARBOROUGH CAMERAS INSIDE CARLOS N'CHARLIES!



(http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/8249/nadriatheyalllie.jpg)
Jamie Skeeters interview with - NADRIA: "COME ON WE ALL LIE."


(http://img863.imageshack.us/img863/2378/boysmurdered.jpg)
BEFORE DR. PHIL show

(http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/3791/drphilkalpoe.jpg)
BEFORE DR. PHIL

(http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/1217/skeeterssmall.jpg)


Sure did look like Freddy standing there with Deepak!   ::MonkeyEek::

Has anyone mentioned that before? If so I don't remember it.

I'll see if I can get a couple more screen shots...brb

http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/suspect-returns/6fej0fm


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on April 24, 2011, 06:53:42 PM


At first I thought someone got arrested because they were sober.

 ::MonkeyConfused::



It is confusing, but from what I can tell...Sober=Drunk in Aruba.

No comment.

 ::monkeywine2:: ::monkeywine2:: ::monkeywine2::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 24, 2011, 06:59:44 PM
If Klaas thinks it looks like Freddy, maybe she can get a better shot.  I tried but I'm not sure how good these are...

http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/suspect-returns/6fej0fm



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 24, 2011, 07:23:59 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=252.0

Freddy Zedan Arambatzis – age 21, Freddy Arambatzis-Zedan: Friend and neighbor of JVDS and reported guest at the VDS house the night of Natalee's disappearance.  Arrested 8-26-06 under suspicion of intentionally distributing and showing  sexual images of a minor,  intercourse with someone he knows is unconscious, and sexual acts with a girl younger than 16 years.  (a.k.a. Locoman Pimp,” a.k.a. “badboy_956,” a.k.a. “Freddy Zedan” nickname “Fefi”).  Listed as a character witness for Joran in NY civil trial filing by Tacopina.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Freddy/FreddyInCuffs_5-2.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Freddy/EPIHyatt20129.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Freddy/06062010_Freddy_SouthBeach.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 24, 2011, 07:31:28 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=252.0

Freddy Zedan Arambatzis – age 21, Freddy Arambatzis-Zedan: Friend and neighbor of JVDS and reported guest at the VDS house the night of Natalee's disappearance.  Arrested 8-26-06 under suspicion of intentionally distributing and showing  sexual images of a minor,  intercourse with someone he knows is unconscious, and sexual acts with a girl younger than 16 years.  (a.k.a. Locoman Pimp,” a.k.a. “badboy_956,” a.k.a. “Freddy Zedan” nickname “Fefi”).  Listed as a character witness for Joran in NY civil trial filing by Tacopina.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Freddy/FreddyInCuffs_5-2.jpg)

http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery/index.php

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Freddy/EPIHyatt20129.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Freddy/06062010_Freddy_SouthBeach.jpg)



edit to add link


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 24, 2011, 07:33:01 PM
I think it was Freddy with Deepak back at the scene of the crime, but that may be old news.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 24, 2011, 08:50:01 PM
"Pols" translates to "pulse" in Dutch, maybe he cut his wrists?  I'm not sure.

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/30773-hoben-di-17-ana-a-corta-dos-pols-den-caya-seida-.html#

Papiamentu translation:

young of 17 year owing to clip two pols in caya seida

sunday, 24 april 2011 18:07

diadomingo night one boy wanted owing to place end at his life. the have 17 year of edad. police y ambulance owing to wordo ask cu urgencia for her caso earnest here. at arrival of police owing to ask for her ambulance come cu more urgencia. do not mucho cla what owing to is the problem cu the young here wanted owing to place end at his life at one edad so young. is being menciona cu kizas the have problem cu his chick but this not can owing to wordo confirma. ambulance owing to leave cu urgencia because both pols was clip y was bleed. famianan also owing to talk cu police y personal of ambulance splicando one cu the another.

(Maybe I just spent too much time looking at Freddy today, but it the guy in the white shirt and shorts kinda looks like Freddy imo.)

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2011.april.apr24.pols.pols003.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: SuzieQ on April 24, 2011, 09:56:34 PM
It looks like Freddy with Deepak to me also.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 24, 2011, 10:17:49 PM
It looks like Freddy with Deepak to me also.

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: San on April 24, 2011, 10:38:34 PM

(http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/246/nscarborougharubaupdate.jpg)
DEEPAK BEFORE DR. PHIL - CAUGHT ON SCARBOROUGH CAMERAS INSIDE CARLOS N'CHARLIES!



(http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/8249/nadriatheyalllie.jpg)
Jamie Skeeters interview with - NADRIA: "COME ON WE ALL LIE."


(http://img863.imageshack.us/img863/2378/boysmurdered.jpg)
BEFORE DR. PHIL show

(http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/3791/drphilkalpoe.jpg)
BEFORE DR. PHIL

(http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/1217/skeeterssmall.jpg)


Sure did look like Freddy standing there with Deepak!   ::MonkeyEek::

Has anyone mentioned that before? If so I don't remember it.

I'll see if I can get a couple more screen shots...brb

http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/suspect-returns/6fej0fm

Yes that was Freddy.  I remember when they first showed that video of Deepak and I couldn't believe he was there with that other POS Freddy.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 25, 2011, 12:09:59 AM
Yep, I had it marked this way back in 2007

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5141/5651924491_17845f1799_o.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 25, 2011, 01:13:33 AM
Yep, I had it marked this way back in 2007

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5141/5651924491_17845f1799_o.jpg)

Thanks San and Klaas!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 25, 2011, 01:29:41 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon.jpg)

and Stephany!
 ::justice2NJ::
 



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 26, 2011, 03:55:21 AM
 ::MonkeyAngel::

"Justice for Natalee Holloway" Preview
http://youtu.be/EA-4zwOFlso

Vanished With Beth Holloway "Never Forget" Preview
http://youtu.be/ImlFFEa94dI

Vanished With Beth Holloway "Facebook" Preview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5jOmdwz12I

 ::justice2NJ::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 26, 2011, 04:01:14 AM
http://www.mylifetime.com/movies/justice-for-natalee-holloway/photos/movie-gallery#id=1

(http://mylt.ltcdn.com/movies/sites/mylifetime.com/files/images/imagecache/photo_gallery_full/2011/04/21/JFNH-2-500x550.jpg)
Tracy Pollan stars in "Justice for Natalee Holloway"

http://www.mylifetime.com/movies/justice-for-natalee-holloway/photos/movie-gallery#id=2

(http://mylt.ltcdn.com/movies/sites/mylifetime.com/files/images/imagecache/photo_gallery_full/2011/04/21/JFNH-1-500x550.jpg)
Stephen Amell stars as Joran van der Sloot in "Justice for Natalee Holloway"

http://www.mylifetime.com/movies/justice-for-natalee-holloway/photos/movie-gallery#id=3

(http://mylt.ltcdn.com/movies/sites/mylifetime.com/files/images/imagecache/photo_gallery_full/2011/04/21/JFNH-4-600x550.jpg)
Tracy Pollan as Beth Holloway in "Justice for Natalee Holloway"

http://www.mylifetime.com/movies/justice-for-natalee-holloway/photos/movie-gallery#id=4

(http://mylt.ltcdn.com/movies/sites/mylifetime.com/files/images/imagecache/photo_gallery_full/2011/04/21/JFNH-5-620x550.jpg)
Tracy Pollan and Stephen Amell in "Justice for Natalee Holloway"


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 26, 2011, 04:05:53 AM
http://www.mylifetime.com/movies/justice-for-natalee-holloway/photos/movie-gallery#id=5

(http://mylt.ltcdn.com/movies/sites/mylifetime.com/files/images/imagecache/photo_gallery_full/2011/04/21/JFNH-7-500x550.jpg)
Stephen Amell as Joran van der Sloot in "Justice for Natalee Holloway"

http://www.mylifetime.com/movies/justice-for-natalee-holloway/photos/movie-gallery#id=6

(http://mylt.ltcdn.com/movies/sites/mylifetime.com/files/images/imagecache/photo_gallery_full/2011/04/21/JFNH-8-500x550.jpg)
Amy Gumenick as Natalee Holloway in "Justice for Natalee Holloway"

More pictures at the link!   ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 26, 2011, 04:10:52 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/JusticeforNataleeHolloway_Lifetime2011.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 26, 2011, 04:11:52 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon.jpg)

and Stephany!
 ::justice2NJ::
 




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 26, 2011, 09:45:29 AM
The actor playing Joran is too normal looking.  He's doesn't have the look of a Sloot/murderer.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on April 26, 2011, 11:27:53 AM
The actor playing Joran is too normal looking.  He's doesn't have the look of a Sloot/murderer.

ITA!! 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 26, 2011, 12:37:39 PM
The actor playing Joran is too normal looking.  He's doesn't have the look of a Sloot/murderer.

They should have advertsied for "Wonky-eyed, Brooding, Sasquatch" to star in it!  :smt040

 ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: grace-land on April 26, 2011, 01:08:44 PM
::MonkeyAngel::

"Justice for Natalee Holloway" Preview
http://youtu.be/EA-4zwOFlso

Vanished With Beth Holloway "Never Forget" Preview
http://youtu.be/ImlFFEa94dI

Vanished With Beth Holloway "Facebook" Preview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5jOmdwz12I

 ::justice2NJ::



Thanks, texasmom, for the previews.  The monkeys, and guests, are looking forward to seeing Beth continue her quest for truth and justice for Natalee!  ::justice2NJ::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 26, 2011, 01:33:58 PM
The actor playing Joran is too normal looking.  He's doesn't have the look of a Sloot/murderer.

ITA!! 
I agree. That actor looks too good. maybe they did a casting call for a large headed Joran monster and no one came to the call. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: grace-land on April 26, 2011, 03:32:53 PM
 ::MonkeyAngel::

http://www.mylifetime.com/movies/natalee-holloway/the-beth-holloway-interview

The Beth Holloway Interview
by Rachel Cohen

 ::snipping2::

Has it been emotional to replay these events?

I don’t think that anything could compare with the first four months of what we endured while searching for Natalee in Aruba. The movie is something I view as an accomplishment, because we are able to help shed light on a lot of things that I wrote about in my book.

-----------------------------------

Beth is going to accomplish it again on May 9--"shed light on a lot of things."   ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 26, 2011, 05:58:57 PM
::MonkeyAngel::

http://www.mylifetime.com/movies/natalee-holloway/the-beth-holloway-interview

The Beth Holloway Interview
by Rachel Cohen

 ::snipping2::

Has it been emotional to replay these events?

I don’t think that anything could compare with the first four months of what we endured while searching for Natalee in Aruba. The movie is something I view as an accomplishment, because we are able to help shed light on a lot of things that I wrote about in my book.

-----------------------------------

Beth is going to accomplish it again on May 9--"shed light on a lot of things."   ::justice2NJ::


I can't wait!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::justice2NJ:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 26, 2011, 05:59:54 PM
The actor playing Joran is too normal looking.  He's doesn't have the look of a Sloot/murderer.

ITA!! 

Me too! 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 26, 2011, 06:00:34 PM
The actor playing Joran is too normal looking.  He's doesn't have the look of a Sloot/murderer.

They should have advertsied for "Wonky-eyed, Brooding, Sasquatch" to star in it!  :smt040

 ::MonkeyDevil2::

 ::rhino:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 26, 2011, 06:04:32 PM
::MonkeyAngel::

"Justice for Natalee Holloway" Preview
http://youtu.be/EA-4zwOFlso

Vanished With Beth Holloway "Never Forget" Preview
http://youtu.be/ImlFFEa94dI

Vanished With Beth Holloway "Facebook" Preview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5jOmdwz12I

 ::justice2NJ::



Thanks, texasmom, for the previews.  The monkeys, and guests, are looking forward to seeing Beth continue her quest for truth and justice for Natalee!  ::justice2NJ::



You're welcome!  I'm looking forward to the new shows too, and I'm extremely proud of Beth! ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 26, 2011, 07:25:19 PM
I downloaded a couple of documents in the Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil case.  So far doesn't look like anything new.  Hard to tell until you actually purchase and download.  I'll check them out further tonight and post if interesting. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: wreck on April 26, 2011, 09:50:38 PM
I downloaded a couple of documents in the Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil case.  So far doesn't look like anything new.  Hard to tell until you actually purchase and download.  I'll check them out further tonight and post if interesting. 
Doesn't sound like we will know anything until the now postponed "Motions to Compel" are heard in late June.  ::MonkeyNoNo::  ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: wreck on April 26, 2011, 09:51:52 PM
I guess the heartening thing is that Aruba is forced to spend more and more money down the rat hole.  ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 26, 2011, 10:00:31 PM
I downloaded a couple of documents in the Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil case.  So far doesn't look like anything new.  Hard to tell until you actually purchase and download.  I'll check them out further tonight and post if interesting. 
Doesn't sound like we will know anything until the now postponed "Motions to Compel" are heard in late June.  ::MonkeyNoNo::  ::MonkeyMad::

The date for that may have changed, those are part of the docs filed but it looks like that was all based upon a trial date in June so it's confusing.  I'll post some of it shortly.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: wreck on April 26, 2011, 10:06:34 PM
I downloaded a couple of documents in the Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil case.  So far doesn't look like anything new.  Hard to tell until you actually purchase and download.  I'll check them out further tonight and post if interesting. 
Doesn't sound like we will know anything until the now postponed "Motions to Compel" are heard in late June.  ::MonkeyNoNo::  ::MonkeyMad::

The date for that may have changed, those are part of the docs filed but it looks like that was all based upon a trial date in June so it's confusing.  I'll post some of it shortly.
I sure wish we had a contact with Dr. Phil's attorneys -- not to provide any case inside information -- but, merely to interpret the proceedural issues and status!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 26, 2011, 10:07:16 PM
I downloaded a couple of documents in the Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil case.  So far doesn't look like anything new.  Hard to tell until you actually purchase and download.  I'll check them out further tonight and post if interesting. 
Doesn't sound like we will know anything until the now postponed "Motions to Compel" are heard in late June.  ::MonkeyNoNo::  ::MonkeyMad::

The date for that may have changed, those are part of the docs filed but it looks like that was all based upon a trial date in June so it's confusing.  I'll post some of it shortly.

Thanks Klaas!  The updates are appreciated!   ::MonkeyKiss::

Noticed something new...  ::monkeydenied::

Too cool!  Hope we get to put it to good use soon...  ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 26, 2011, 10:08:51 PM
I downloaded a couple of documents in the Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil case.  So far doesn't look like anything new.  Hard to tell until you actually purchase and download.  I'll check them out further tonight and post if interesting. 
Doesn't sound like we will know anything until the now postponed "Motions to Compel" are heard in late June.  ::MonkeyNoNo::  ::MonkeyMad::

The date for that may have changed, those are part of the docs filed but it looks like that was all based upon a trial date in June so it's confusing.  I'll post some of it shortly.
I sure wish we had a contact with Dr. Phil's attorneys -- not to provide any case inside information -- but, merely to interpret the proceedural issues and status!

That would be so nice...   ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 26, 2011, 10:17:30 PM
Part of what was filed:

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(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5147/5659460719_561b3733f6_b.jpg)

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(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5028/5660031514_b100879f73_b.jpg)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5021/5660031570_46d292a8e5_b.jpg)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5103/5660031604_baeeaca717_b.jpg)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5145/5660040690_b957c36eb3_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 26, 2011, 10:18:31 PM
 ::monkeydenied::  Yeah, supposed to look like one of those ink stamps  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 26, 2011, 10:43:08 PM
::monkeydenied::  Yeah, supposed to look like one of those ink stamps  ::MonkeyHaHa::

It's great!  Thank you!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on April 26, 2011, 10:46:28 PM
::monkeydenied::  Yeah, supposed to look like one of those ink stamps  ::MonkeyHaHa::

It's great!  Thank you!   ::MonkeyCool::

I agree, it's great!  I first saw it used in another MP thread, but the thought came to me at once that it could get good use in Natalee's thread.  Sure enough, it's already getting broken in.   ::monkeydenied::   ::piggy::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: wreck on April 26, 2011, 11:29:29 PM
Okay, what am I missing? I thought the document you showed on Saturday had the court setting the motions to compel for late June and the trial (if still necessary) moved to October.
 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: wreck on April 26, 2011, 11:30:27 PM
I have seen nothing on the Summary Judgement!?!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: wreck on April 26, 2011, 11:37:19 PM
Trial date moved to October:

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5265/5644963290_9a0b85e209_b.jpg)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5069/5644397363_db18d27d16_b.jpg)

???????????????


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 26, 2011, 11:41:17 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6724:betico-opnieuw-begraven&catid=151:artikel-headline-aruba&Itemid=200

Google translation:

Betico reburied

Tuesday, 26 April 2011 5:11 p.m.

(http://www.amigoe.com/images/stories/26-04-2011/670720.jpg)

ORANGE CITY - A big 25 years ago, the deceased Betico Croes reburied last Saturday. In a new coffin and into the basement that is securely sealed, to prevent vandals weather could strike a blow like night of 16 on April 17. Then the grave in the cemetery at St. Betico Cruz considerably bruised chest and was also broken.

Of the perpetrators is lacking so far without a trace. The Public Prosecutor (OM) could not say this morning about the investigation. Son Junior Croes, who as spokesman for the family of Betico occurs, says, however much confidence in the police investigation. "We have not received much information, but we know they do everything to resolve this matter," said junior last Saturday.

About the reburial, he says that this is very emotional, but also a 'strange feeling' gives. "It still hurt a lot after what happened. We're still in disbelief that something could happen in Aruba. You think it all the time and that is mentally exhausting. But we also do our best to see it positively. It offers the younger generation at least a possibility Betico back closer to their experience and curiosity. "Junior is very grateful for any further public support and so is the attention of the entire cabinet and governor. They were last Saturday also present at the reburial. Junior also said that the family a letter from the Dutch Minister for Kingdom Relations, Piet Hein Donner (CDA), and has received an endorsement from the Dutch Representation. "It's a great respect that everyone has brought to my father."

From Friday at funeral everyone could say goodbye to Betico Memento Mori, and for three hours Saturday afternoon the coffin in a long funeral procession on the LG Smith Boulevard to the church in St. Cruz was charged. The reason procession of motorcyclists with several clubs, including by a brother, Rudy Croes engine (Harley Davidson) fanatic. Mass in the church was largely dominated by memories. When the coffin to the cemetery was eventually carried by the brothers and cousins ​​Betico, stood outside a long row of people applauding. The media took photographs and filmed the last trip to the basement that went on a red carpet.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: wreck on April 26, 2011, 11:46:41 PM
I guess maybe all these new dates are contingent upon that the judge does not find a Summary Judgement............ but I think that may have come and gone.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 26, 2011, 11:52:01 PM
I guess maybe all these new dates are contingent upon that the judge does not find a Summary Judgement............ but I think that may have come and gone.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Wreck - I just don't know about the Summary Judgement.  For sure if/when a decision is made it will have to be filed/recorded with the courts.  I don't know why we haven't seen anything yet on it.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 26, 2011, 11:53:24 PM
Okay, what am I missing? I thought the document you showed on Saturday had the court setting the motions to compel for late June and the trial (if still necessary) moved to October.
 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

I'm a bit confused too and not sure if this doc I just posted means anything at all now.  I don't know if the motion to compel is in May or June.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: wreck on April 26, 2011, 11:55:30 PM
I guess maybe all these new dates are contingent upon that the judge does not find a Summary Judgement............ but I think that may have come and gone.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Wreck - I just don't know about the Summary Judgement.  For sure if/when a decision is made it will have to be filed/recorded with the courts.  I don't know why we haven't seen anything yet on it.


I did notice that order moving the motions to compel and the new trial dates were agreed to by both parties "off the record". Maybe that DOES mean they are only contingent to the judge saying an actual trial is needed.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 27, 2011, 12:03:06 AM
This is everything filed and made available since just before the Summary Judgement hearing.  Most of these I've gotten, a couple I didn't because I honestly thought they would just be more cr**  ::MonkeyCool::

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5262/5660300026_2a04fcbd0b_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: wreck on April 27, 2011, 12:04:47 AM
Request to Tamikosmom:

Did you not have some correspondence with Dr. Phil's Attorneys? Could you e-mail your contact and ask the "status" of the case? Thanks! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: wreck on April 27, 2011, 12:17:42 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6724:betico-opnieuw-begraven&catid=151:artikel-headline-aruba&Itemid=200

Google translation:

Betico reburied

Tuesday, 26 April 2011 5:11 p.m.

(http://www.amigoe.com/images/stories/26-04-2011/670720.jpg)

ORANGE CITY - A big 25 years ago, the deceased Betico Croes reburied last Saturday. In a new coffin and into the basement that is securely sealed, to prevent vandals weather could strike a blow like night of 16 on April 17. Then the grave in the cemetery at St. Betico Cruz considerably bruised chest and was also broken.

Of the perpetrators is lacking so far without a trace. The Public Prosecutor (OM) could not say this morning about the investigation. Son Junior Croes, who as spokesman for the family of Betico occurs, says, however much confidence in the police investigation. "We have not received much information, but we know they do everything to resolve this matter," said junior last Saturday.

About the reburial, he says that this is very emotional, but also a 'strange feeling' gives. "It still hurt a lot after what happened. We're still in disbelief that something could happen in Aruba. You think it all the time and that is mentally exhausting. But we also do our best to see it positively. It offers the younger generation at least a possibility Betico back closer to their experience and curiosity. "Junior is very grateful for any further public support and so is the attention of the entire cabinet and governor. They were last Saturday also present at the reburial. Junior also said that the family a letter from the Dutch Minister for Kingdom Relations, Piet Hein Donner (CDA), and has received an endorsement from the Dutch Representation. "It's a great respect that everyone has brought to my father."

From Friday at funeral everyone could say goodbye to Betico Memento Mori, and for three hours Saturday afternoon the coffin in a long funeral procession on the LG Smith Boulevard to the church in St. Cruz was charged. The reason procession of motorcyclists with several clubs, including by a brother, Rudy Croes engine (Harley Davidson) fanatic. Mass in the church was largely dominated by memories. When the coffin to the cemetery was eventually carried by the brothers and cousins ​​Betico, stood outside a long row of people applauding. The media took photographs and filmed the last trip to the basement that went on a red carpet.
 ::snipping2::
Regardless of our opinions of Aruba -- this story is just plain sickening. I feel bad for his family and the people of Aruba who apparently highly loved their leader - all current politics aside.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 27, 2011, 01:09:54 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6724:betico-opnieuw-begraven&catid=151:artikel-headline-aruba&Itemid=200

Google translation:

Betico reburied

Tuesday, 26 April 2011 5:11 p.m.

(http://www.amigoe.com/images/stories/26-04-2011/670720.jpg)

ORANGE CITY - A big 25 years ago, the deceased Betico Croes reburied last Saturday. In a new coffin and into the basement that is securely sealed, to prevent vandals weather could strike a blow like night of 16 on April 17. Then the grave in the cemetery at St. Betico Cruz considerably bruised chest and was also broken.

Of the perpetrators is lacking so far without a trace. The Public Prosecutor (OM) could not say this morning about the investigation. Son Junior Croes, who as spokesman for the family of Betico occurs, says, however much confidence in the police investigation. "We have not received much information, but we know they do everything to resolve this matter," said junior last Saturday.

About the reburial, he says that this is very emotional, but also a 'strange feeling' gives. "It still hurt a lot after what happened. We're still in disbelief that something could happen in Aruba. You think it all the time and that is mentally exhausting. But we also do our best to see it positively. It offers the younger generation at least a possibility Betico back closer to their experience and curiosity. "Junior is very grateful for any further public support and so is the attention of the entire cabinet and governor. They were last Saturday also present at the reburial. Junior also said that the family a letter from the Dutch Minister for Kingdom Relations, Piet Hein Donner (CDA), and has received an endorsement from the Dutch Representation. "It's a great respect that everyone has brought to my father."

From Friday at funeral everyone could say goodbye to Betico Memento Mori, and for three hours Saturday afternoon the coffin in a long funeral procession on the LG Smith Boulevard to the church in St. Cruz was charged. The reason procession of motorcyclists with several clubs, including by a brother, Rudy Croes engine (Harley Davidson) fanatic. Mass in the church was largely dominated by memories. When the coffin to the cemetery was eventually carried by the brothers and cousins ​​Betico, stood outside a long row of people applauding. The media took photographs and filmed the last trip to the basement that went on a red carpet.
 ::snipping2::
Regardless of our opinions of Aruba -- this story is just plain sickening. I feel bad for his family and the people of Aruba who apparently highly loved their leader - all current politics aside.

I agree wreck, it is just plain sickening and sad.  Even more sickening is my gut feeling about who may have done such a thing.
 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Another interesting "snip" from the article imo.

http://www.amigoe.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6724:betico-opnieuw-begraven&catid=151:artikel-headline-aruba&Itemid=200
 ::snipping2::
Interestingly, during the procession to St. Cruz and the reburial was almost no expression of the yellow color of Betico's political party MEP. However, the national colors of blue and flag of Aruba to see. Even the family wore blue ribbons. It was not surprising because the family and supporters had previously indicated that it was not a political event, but more of an event the whole nation.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 27, 2011, 01:14:50 AM
I'd also noted in this article from right after the incident at Betico Croes' grave, that some other recent incidents had taken place.

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/30412-minister-president-mike-eman-acto-di-destruccion-na-graf-di-defunto-betico-croes-ta-sumamente-repudiabel.html

Papiamentu translation:

minister president mike eman: acto of destruccion at cemetery of defunto betico croes is extremely repudiabel

sunday, 17 april 2011 12:52

minister president mike eman awemainta did take contact imediatamente cu family of defunto betico croes for expresa his lamento cu the sosedido of destruccion at cemetery of defunto betico croes. in contact cu jiu of defunto betico croes, sr. junior croes, minister president mike eman owing to comparti his lamento for cu the sosedido y his word of convivencia cu family croes for her dolor cu one acto so without sense is cause. minister president mike eman is constata cu already some day can owing to notice cu actonan is tumando lugar cu is touch cu the valornan more fundamental of the being human. two vez the candela eterno at monument 18 of march owing to worde pay cu destruccion, owing to place saco of dirt on cabez of statue of defunto shon owing to eman, owing to place marcanan insultativo at statue of libertador betico croes y now one acto more repudiable still at cemetery of defunto betico croes. minister president mike eman is profundamente commovi for her thought cu can have personanan in we comunidad, cu for cualkier motibo, can go so leuw for cualkier motivacion. have to have puntonan cla in we comunidad con leuw is go y here claramente we owing to happen all linea. minister president mike eman is tell cu husticia have to arrive at place hand strong on esnan cu is comete the actonan repudiable here. “locual door is worde forget is cu we have one creador cu is vigila on we, we life y we comportacion”.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 27, 2011, 01:18:58 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon.jpg)

and Stephany!
 ::justice2NJ::
 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: wreck on April 27, 2011, 01:21:04 AM
Natalee is my first and foremost concern -- but, I guess my attention is about to get more involved with the Caylee Anthony case as the trial is actually near. I feel a real connection to the case although my time to spend is somewhat limited. My hat is off for those here that have the energy for both -- especially Klaas!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: grace-land on April 27, 2011, 01:59:03 AM
Okay, what am I missing? I thought the document you showed on Saturday had the court setting the motions to compel for late June and the trial (if still necessary) moved to October.
 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

I'm a bit confused too and not sure if this doc I just posted means anything at all now.  I don't know if the motion to compel is in May or June.

My understanding is that in the document "defendants' unopposed ex part application to specially set the hearing on motions to compel, dated 4-14-2011, it has the following "current" hearing dates:  Plaintiffs' motion to compel set for May 27; defendants' for June 10--with the trial set for June 13.  In this ex parte application, both parties are requesting "consolidating all the motions to compel and advancing the hearing date to May 17, 18 or 19, 2011." This document is stamped FILED April 21, 2011.

The other document, dated April 21, 2011, is from the court assigning plaintiff's and defendants' motions to compel for June 29, 2011--with a rescheduled trial date of October 12, 2011.





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: wreck on April 27, 2011, 02:10:27 AM
Okay, what am I missing? I thought the document you showed on Saturday had the court setting the motions to compel for late June and the trial (if still necessary) moved to October.
 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

I'm a bit confused too and not sure if this doc I just posted means anything at all now.  I don't know if the motion to compel is in May or June.

My understanding is that in the document "defendants' unopposed ex part application to specially set the hearing on motions to compel, dated 4-14-2011, it has the following "current" hearing dates:  Plaintiffs' motion to compel set for May 27; defendants' for June 10--with the trial set for June 13.  In this ex parte application, both parties are requesting "consolidating all the motions to compel and advancing the hearing date to May 17, 18 or 19, 2011." This document is stamped FILED April 21, 2011.

The other document, dated April 21, 2011, is from the court assigning plaintiff's and defendants' motions to compel for June 29, 2011--with a rescheduled trial date of October 12, 2011.




I follow that --but, the question is whether or not there is still a question of the judge issuing a Summary Judgement BEFORE this schedule is put in place.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 27, 2011, 04:23:29 PM
A LIFE WITH PURPOSE

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

A Life Built Around Faith and Hope

Page 230:
  I can't say for sure if we'll ever know that answer to whether my daughter is alive or not.  I know it doesn't look good.  But just as that old metal spiral staircase rose from the ashes when our lake house burned down, so too faith stands strong in the remains of this devastating loss.  And just as my Dad built another house around that staircase, I will build another life around hope and faith.  It won't ever be the same.  But I pray that it will, at the very least, be useful.

Triumph Over Devastation

Page 219
: In each city I have the privilege to speak to several high schools, churches, or law enforcement and civic groups.  This translates to thousands of youths and adults.  Delivering this safety message is my triumph over devastation.  If gives me great joy and is tremendously rewarding work.  I think that I can bear the pain of losing Natalee if it means that I can prevent another family from going through our tragic experience.  If even just one young person in tens of thousands is saved, then it's well worth it.

_____


LOVING NATALEE
A MOTHER'S TESTAMENT OF HOPE AND FAITH
By Beth Holloway
ISBN: 9780061452277
ISBN10: 0061452270
Imprint: HarperOne
On Sale: 10/2/2007

Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC
 
Mayday 360
http://www.mayday360.com/default.aspx


 :smt060


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 27, 2011, 05:37:33 PM
http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/30863-eugenio-ramon-dake-27-victima-di-asesinato.html

Papiamentu translation:

eugenio ramon dake (27) victima of asesinato

wednesday, 27 april 2011 11:17

recherche keto bay is in one investigacion deep on the asesinato cu did take luga diaranson marduga. algo happen of 5or the caso owing to sosode y doctor hermans owing to constata dead of eugenio ramon dake naci at spain 12-11-1983. the live in celciusstraat in companashi. paz at his restonan y compel at the family.

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2011.april.apr27.asesinato.DSC_0244.JPG)

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2011.april.apr27.asesinato.IMG_9114.JPG)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 27, 2011, 05:42:01 PM
http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/30863-eugenio-ramon-dake-27-victima-di-asesinato.html#
 ::snipping2::


Comments:

Scirbi pa arubiano pura sepa, April 27, 2011   
Cu e hoben sosega na paz. Hopi forza na Irene y resto di famia nan.

+4

Scirbi pa Anonymous, April 27, 2011   
Its another damn government coverup. There are things going on this island thats starting to become more and more suspicious. I honestly believe that Arubian citizen (natural arubian citizen) should start carrying weapons for self-defense. I believe its time for people to wake up and smell the coffee, that we must bring this forward. Police will never be there for us, except to clean the cr*p stains.


-5


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 27, 2011, 06:07:31 PM
(Warning: pictures of the victim before he was covered at the link)

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=7089&offId=0&offDate=2011-4&video=0
 ::snipping2::

at arrival of the patrol they owing to solicita presencia of ambulance cu urgencia already cu have one person cu some injury at his pecho y was sangrando very much. at one dado instant owing to solicita the ambulance cu much more urgencia already cu the person was bayendo off. at bienestar of the investigacion owing to dicidi of close cu lintnan policial the area where the crimen will owing to sosode. at arrival of ambulance owing to notice cu the person have at least 4 hinka at his curazon y do not give sign of life more y owing to ask for one doctor come at the sitio. at arrival of dr. hermans at the sitio y for 6or y 3 minuut of morning not owing to stay nothing another for constata dead of the victima owing to consecuencia of the hinkanan cu ela ricibi. at the sitio police is interogando several witness cu was in the area for so can owing to achieve know what more owing to happen, according can owing to compronde apparently is deal here of algo of reglamento of cuenta y asunto of hortamento of car. was have 2 pickup in koningstraat one in direccion prohibi y some person pleitando gritando y owing to come termina in hinkamento. we will follow informa....


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 27, 2011, 06:43:32 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6798:dode-na-steekpartij-emmastraat&catid=151:artikel-headline-aruba&Itemid=200

Google translation:

(http://www.amigoe.com/images/stories/27-04-2011/671287.jpg)

Dead after stabbing Emmastraat

Wednesday, 27 April 2011 5:58 p.m.

ORANGE CITY - In Emmastraat in Oranjestad has an early morning stabbing occurred. It has died, Eugenio Ramon Dake (28), born in Spain. The police have no evidence of a suspect and investigate what happened.
 ::snipping2::
A little after five hours this morning the police were summoned because of a brawl in the Emmastraat. When the police arrived, they found the victim, leaving them with the emergency ambulance. The victim responded by that time, no more and was later pronounced dead by a doctor.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 27, 2011, 06:59:57 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/PDF%20amigoearu/27-04-2011a.pdf

Google translation:

Tourist beaten

ORANGE CITY - A 18-year-old American tourist was Friday unexpectedly attacked by a 23-year-old boy. The teen reported that when they emerge from the bathroom of La Ronda was the Aruban had just beaten her.
Agents went to half past twelve at night when she reported the Hondurasstraat of abuse received.  As they spoke with witnesses who reported a The tourist man was assaulted and then had gone away. He would stop In a garden of a house under construction. The officers saw the man hidden behind the bushes, but he ran away when he agents saw. Moments later they could keep him anyway.  The officers then went to La Ronda victim to hear. The man were enrolled.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 27, 2011, 07:14:23 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/PDF%20amigoearu/27-04-2011a.pdf

Google translation:

Tourist beaten

ORANGE CITY - A 18-year-old American tourist was Friday unexpectedly attacked by a 23-year-old boy. The teen reported that when they emerge from the bathroom of La Ronda was the Aruban had just beaten her.
Agents went to half past twelve at night when she reported the Hondurasstraat of abuse received.  As they spoke with witnesses who reported a The tourist man was assaulted and then had gone away. He would stop In a garden of a house under construction. The officers saw the man hidden behind the bushes, but he ran away when he agents saw. Moments later they could keep him anyway.  The officers then went to La Ronda victim to hear. The man were enrolled.

So are they saying it was a "tourist man" that attacked the tourist woman?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 27, 2011, 07:30:26 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/PDF%20amigoearu/27-04-2011a.pdf

Google translation:

Tourist beaten

ORANGE CITY - A 18-year-old American tourist was Friday unexpectedly attacked by a 23-year-old boy. The teen reported that when they emerge from the bathroom of La Ronda was the Aruban had just beaten her.
Agents went to half past twelve at night when she reported the Hondurasstraat of abuse received.  As they spoke with witnesses who reported a The tourist man was assaulted and then had gone away. He would stop In a garden of a house under construction. The officers saw the man hidden behind the bushes, but he ran away when he agents saw. Moments later they could keep him anyway.  The officers then went to La Ronda victim to hear. The man were enrolled.

So are they saying it was a "tourist man" that attacked the tourist woman?

I don't think so, I think the attacker was Aruban.

I think what the witness was saying is that the tourist was assaulted by the man and then the man ran away.

JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 27, 2011, 07:50:41 PM
I don't know a lot about this, but what I've read so far is very interesting.  Stanley Hillis spent a lot of time in Aruba, and seemingly had many connections there...he was murdered in Holland in February of this year.

http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Hillis
Google translation:
 ::snipping2::
In the nineties did Hillis with Mink Cook and January Femer seize power from the liquidation of Klaas Bruinsma . The trio earned millions by trading in ecstasy . [5] Until the end of 2005 he Evert Hingst a real estate company in Ibiza . [6] On March 11, 2006 became known that the liquidation of Hingst on October 31, 2005 was established by the Hillis security of its neighbor. Hillis had the images then voluntarily surrendered to law enforcement, but demanded in return to court March 10 after the OM in the interest of the investigation had refused.
 ::snipping2::

http://www.vn.nl/Archief/Justitie/Artikel-Justitie/Hillis-deed-zaken-met-Arubaanse-witwasser.htm

Hillis did business with Aruban launderer

The February liquidated criminal Hillis Stanley lent millions to the Aruban Randy Habibe launderer. When the latter refused to pay back, let Hillis Habibes seize property. This is evident from documents Fri Netherlands has seen.

Already in the nineties the Dutch prosecutor investigated the relationship between Hillis and Habibe. In major drug cases from that era dive tapped conversations between criminals. It is not Dutch, but American justice that Randolph "Randy" Habibe finally took the collar. In the early nineties called Americans tried to roll up La Costa Cartel, a drug organization that was suspected of more than eighty tons of cocaine to the United States to have contraband. The logistics were in the hands of Aruba, which launderer and Habibe occurred. In 1997, the Aruban businessman extradited to Florida. Just before his trial known Habibe debt and signed a deal with the OM. He could serve his sentence in Aruba.

At the same island, the Old Man stayed regularly. Hillis did include use of a villa in Paradera, a luxurious district, ten minutes from the airport. That building was in the name of a company Habibe. When that company went bankrupt, there was no dispute over who owned the property. Use of the legal battle was arrow plus, the Panamanian Habibes parent companies.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 27, 2011, 07:58:13 PM
Another interesting article:

http://www.vn.nl/Dossiers/Meer-dossiers/Crime/Artikel-Crime/De-Kouwe-Ouwe-Hollandse-maffiabaas-Stanley-H..htm
 ::snipping2::
Who is the man with the ice cap, the cold old man? Some dare to whisper his name only to pronounce. "The man lacks a gene, he has no conscience," say investigators who once had to deal with him. But who Stanley H. (1946) on the streets in Amsterdam South encounter sees a nice-looking bald man, such a type that blends into the crowd. Also in Spain or the Netherlands Antilles where he frequently stays, he falls into his shorts and slippers are not on the tourists. He is the proverbial gray mouse, a status that H. cherishes.
 ::snipping2::

An elderly man with a passion for old things, it seems an unlikely story. Particularly coming from Evert Hingst. Only after the liquidation of the lawyer, it became clear how much his friendship and business with Stanley H. milled around. Hingst purchased for H. hot property at the Ibiza and put all kinds of smart partnership structures.

The services of Hingst went away. Remarkably, a fax that the counsel to Stanley H. sent, in March 2005 when he stayed in Aruba. In it Hingst detail the state of affairs in the investigation into the murder of Jaap van der Heiden, the Alkmaar hashish dealer who in 1993 was liquidated by a bomb on his front door.

This cold case last year pulled out of the fridge. At the time the study was part of the IRT affair, but now justice has new evidence of an 'old' suspicion. The murder is re-written to the credit of the organization of Stanley and Mink. The motive? Van der Pagan inflicted a large shipment of hashish was lost. Also showed the North-Holland secretly to speak with the police.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 27, 2011, 08:45:05 PM
snipped from a 1997 article...imo it seems ironic considering...

http://www.volkskrant.nl/vk/nl/2686/Binnenland/archief/article/detail/478417/1997/10/06/Recherche-arresteert-prominente-zakenlieden-op-verdenking-van-handel-in-verdovende-middelen-en-witwassen-van-drugsgeld-VS-slaan-onmiddellijk-toe-na-modernisering-Arubaans-strafrecht.dhtml

 ::snipping2::
According to the chief of the Attorney General in Oranjestad, P. van der Sloot, the Americans had already been a request for extradition can do. Since January 1, 1996 is a regulation stipulating that after a conviction Arubans abroad their sentences at home can serve. Under that condition is extradition possible. The relevant regulation is now included in the new Code of Criminal Procedure. "We think that the Americans but for all security have waited until the introduction of the Code," said Van der Sloot.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: wreck on April 27, 2011, 09:11:53 PM
Request to Tamikosmom:

Did you not have some correspondence with Dr. Phil's Attorneys? Could you e-mail your contact and ask the "status" of the case? Thanks! ::MonkeyCool::
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
BUMP


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Blue Moon on April 27, 2011, 09:21:14 PM
Natalee is my first and foremost concern -- but, I guess my attention is about to get more involved with the Caylee Anthony case as the trial is actually near. I feel a real connection to the case although my time to spend is somewhat limited. My hat is off for those here that have the energy for both -- especially Klaas!

I follow Natalee first and foremost but I have always kept up with little Caylee.  The only thing that keeps me from posting or getting too involved in that case is George and Cindy A.  I absolutely despise that pair.  They are such manipulative people.  Burns me up and causes my blood pressure to boil.   ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 27, 2011, 10:10:36 PM
Request to Tamikosmom:

Did you not have some correspondence with Dr. Phil's Attorneys? Could you e-mail your contact and ask the "status" of the case? Thanks! ::MonkeyCool::

Wreck

In February, 2009 ... following Joran's Range Rover "confession" that distanced the Kalpoes from involvement/knowledge of the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 ... my DIL and I ... extracting from the archives ... compiled a document exposing that fallacy and ... the document was emailed to William Haggerty ... Phil McGraw's attorney.

My DIL did receive a kind response from someone representing Haggerty expressing appreciation for her efforts but ... that was it.  No other contact was ever made.

Janet
 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 27, 2011, 11:06:05 PM
http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/30863-eugenio-ramon-dake-27-victima-di-asesinato.html

Papiamentu translation:

eugenio ramon dake (27) victima of asesinato

wednesday, 27 april 2011 11:17

recherche keto bay is in one investigacion deep on the asesinato cu did take luga diaranson marduga. algo happen of 5or the caso owing to sosode y doctor hermans owing to constata dead of eugenio ramon dake naci at spain 12-11-1983. the live in celciusstraat in companashi. paz at his restonan y compel at the family.

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2011.april.apr27.asesinato.DSC_0244.JPG)

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2011.april.apr27.asesinato.IMG_9114.JPG)

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/30908-hobennan-di-17-y-23-ana-ta-sospechosonan-di-asesinato-.html

Papiamentu translation:

hobennan of 17 y 23 year is sospechosonan of asesinato

wednesday, 27 april 2011 20:49

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_thumbs/b.175.125.16777215.0...images.stories.news.2011.april.apr27.hincamento.JPG)

pablo stevens graciete naci at 1993 y francisco antonio ferdinand de jesus koolman naci at 1987 is sospechosonan of asesinato. mirando they edad so young is show cu in the oranan ey on caya nifica cu they're in one caminda robez. recherche is investigando the caso. still not have claridad what owing to sosode in the caso here. 
::snipping2::
pablo stevens graciete is esun cu also owing to achieve clip y have to owing to wordo atendi at hospital. now the is close at keep of police at oranjestad.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 27, 2011, 11:12:21 PM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/30905-un-detencion-na-aruba-y-varios-na-hulanda-diaranson-pa-trafico-di-hende.html

Papiamentu translation:

one detencion at aruba y several at the netherlands diaranson for trafico of person

wednesday, 27 april 2011 20:40

at aruba one person owing to stay deteni for her team of rst. here is deal of one comerciante of surname c cu have his business of sell cd. he here do not the unique cu owing to wordo deteni. at instant of his detencion owing to place hand also on several another but at the netherlands. the comerciante deteni at aruba will have his business in the area close of hendrikstraat at beach. at the netherlands the castigonan for trafico ilegal of person is much pisa. recientemente was have one judge dutch cu was at aruba y owing to give one presentacion at gobierno on the exercise here. now owing to bay over at haci detencion in one caso. 
::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: wreck on April 27, 2011, 11:24:49 PM
Request to Tamikosmom:

Did you not have some correspondence with Dr. Phil's Attorneys? Could you e-mail your contact and ask the "status" of the case? Thanks! ::MonkeyCool::

Wreck

In February, 2009 ... following Joran's Range Rover "confession" that distanced the Kalpoes from involvement/knowledge of the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 ... my DIL and I ... extracting from the archives ... compiled a document exposing that fallacy and ... the document was emailed to William Haggerty ... Phil McGraw's attorney.

My DIL did receive a kind response from someone representing Haggerty expressing appreciation for her efforts but ... that was it.  No other contact was ever made.

Janet
 
I was just hoping ANY attempt to contact them might just pay off! I know they won't/can't provide any details of the case, but maybe they might share what the actual "status" is!

Thanks anyways!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on April 28, 2011, 12:18:55 AM
 ::HelloKitty:: snoopy, carolinamom, wreck, Rosenut and 3 Guests are viewing this topic.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 28, 2011, 12:40:38 AM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/30905-un-detencion-na-aruba-y-varios-na-hulanda-diaranson-pa-trafico-di-hende.html

Papiamentu translation:

one detencion at aruba y several at the netherlands diaranson for trafico of person

wednesday, 27 april 2011 20:40

at aruba one person owing to stay deteni for her team of rst. here is deal of one comerciante of surname c cu have his business of sell cd. he here do not the unique cu owing to wordo deteni. at instant of his detencion owing to place hand also on several another but at the netherlands. the comerciante deteni at aruba will have his business in the area close of hendrikstraat at beach. at the netherlands the castigonan for trafico ilegal of person is much pisa. recientemente was have one judge dutch cu was at aruba y owing to give one presentacion at gobierno on the exercise here. now owing to bay over at haci detencion in one caso. 
::snipping2::


Not sure if this is the right one, but the surname "c" and location is the same.
 

http://www.yellowpages-caribbean.com/result.cfm/Aruba/category/CD+stores/

Galeria Moderna
Adres: Hendrikstraat 15
Telefoon: (297) 582-4080
Fax: (297) 583-5688
 
Categorieën: CD-winkels

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=2196


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 28, 2011, 12:49:23 AM
IF, that is the right business...

http://www.24ora.com/anuncio-di-morto-mainmenu-58/28361-mementomori-ta-annuncia-fayecimento-di-daniel-valeriano-croes.html

And IF the other individual named in the old registry info is the current owner, and the one arrested...he is a cousin? to Edmond Croes.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 28, 2011, 12:56:08 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon.jpg)

and Stephany!
 ::justice2NJ::
 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Blue Moon on April 28, 2011, 08:03:37 AM
I am going off topic--Sorry.  Has anyone heard from Anna or Mags?  I know Anna lives in Alabama and I thought Mags did also.  Just concerned for their well being.   ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on April 28, 2011, 08:17:05 AM
I am going off topic--Sorry.  Has anyone heard from Anna or Mags?  I know Anna lives in Alabama and I thought Mags did also.  Just concerned for their well being.   ::HelloKitty::


Such terrible weather and destruction in parts of Alabama.   ::MonkeyNoNo::  
Anna's last activity here at Scared Monkeys:
Last Active:    April 03, 2011, 04:44:27 PM (Last log in date/time)
Last Post:          April 02, 2011 http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9456.msg1323346#msg1323346

Magnolia's last activity here at Scared Monkeys:
Last Active:    April 27, 2011, 12:24:06 AM  (Last log in date/time)
Last Post:           April 23, 2011 http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9630.msg1330642#msg1330642

I don't know if anyone has heard from Anna or Magnolia by email or other method since that time.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2011, 09:27:00 AM
Anna has been posting less often lately. I'll send both an email. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: snoopy on April 28, 2011, 11:24:13 AM
::HelloKitty:: snoopy, carolinamom, wreck, Rosenut and 3 Guests are viewing this topic.

Hi MuffyBee!!  I must have already left last night when you posted this.  I always check in. 

I sure hope our southern monkeys are ok.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 28, 2011, 12:26:08 PM
SOUTHERN NIGHTMARE … Deadly Tornadoes Rip Apart the South Killing 194 & 128 in Alabama

Please say a prayer for the folks in the South that were devastated by tornadoes yesterday. The pictures coming out of the devastation from the Southeast are beyond words. ....

MORE:
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2011/04/28/southern-nightmare-deadly-tornadoes-rip-apart-the-south-killing-194-128-in-alabama/

Posted April 28, 2011 by Scared Monkeys




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: snoopy on April 28, 2011, 12:33:33 PM
I heard from Tylergal and Cp405.  They are safe.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on April 28, 2011, 12:36:37 PM
::HelloKitty:: snoopy, carolinamom, wreck, Rosenut and 3 Guests are viewing this topic.

Hi MuffyBee!!  I must have already left last night when you posted this.  I always check in. 

I sure hope our southern monkeys are ok.

I'm glad you check in, snoopy.   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on April 28, 2011, 12:37:35 PM
I heard from Tylergal and Cp405.  They are safe.

Great news!  Thank you for letting us know snoopy. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 28, 2011, 12:59:01 PM
I heard from Tylergal and Cp405.  They are safe.

Great news!  Thank you for letting us know snoopy.  

Thanks for posting from me too, Snoopy! I was just checking the threads for monkeys in the South, but honestly, I'm sure I don't know where everyone is! Klaas is amazing! I don't know how she holds her head up with all she carries around inside it!

I'm glad it seems that all are here and accounted for! It was a long, long, night!  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 28, 2011, 02:26:20 PM
Anna has been posting less often lately. I'll send both an email. 

Thanks Klaas!  Please post as soon as you hear from them!

I hope they are o.k. as well as all monkeys that were in the path of the storms!
 :smt090






Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 28, 2011, 04:18:42 PM
Request to Tamikosmom:

Did you not have some correspondence with Dr. Phil's Attorneys? Could you e-mail your contact and ask the "status" of the case? Thanks! ::MonkeyCool::

Wreck

In February, 2009 ... following Joran's Range Rover "confession" that distanced the Kalpoes from involvement/knowledge of the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 ... my DIL and I ... extracting from the archives ... compiled a document exposing that fallacy and ... the document was emailed to William Haggerty ... Phil McGraw's attorney.

My DIL did receive a kind response from someone representing Haggerty expressing appreciation for her efforts but ... that was it.  No other contact was ever made.

Janet
 
I was just hoping ANY attempt to contact them might just pay off! I know they won't/can't provide any details of the case, but maybe they might share what the actual "status" is!

Thanks anyways!!

Wreck

IIRC Kermit mentioned just recently that he/she was sending research to Phil McGraw's attorneys.  Maybe Kermit has a contact.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: wreck on April 28, 2011, 04:35:00 PM
Request to Tamikosmom:

Did you not have some correspondence with Dr. Phil's Attorneys? Could you e-mail your contact and ask the "status" of the case? Thanks! ::MonkeyCool::

Wreck

In February, 2009 ... following Joran's Range Rover "confession" that distanced the Kalpoes from involvement/knowledge of the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 ... my DIL and I ... extracting from the archives ... compiled a document exposing that fallacy and ... the document was emailed to William Haggerty ... Phil McGraw's attorney.

My DIL did receive a kind response from someone representing Haggerty expressing appreciation for her efforts but ... that was it.  No other contact was ever made.

Janet
 
I was just hoping ANY attempt to contact them might just pay off! I know they won't/can't provide any details of the case, but maybe they might share what the actual "status" is!

Thanks anyways!!

Wreck

IIRC Kermit mentioned just recently that he/she was sending research to Phil McGraw's attorneys.  Maybe Kermit has a contact.

Janet

Good point! Kermit??????????????????????????????????? What say you?!?  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on April 28, 2011, 04:54:17 PM
Request to Tamikosmom:

Did you not have some correspondence with Dr. Phil's Attorneys? Could you e-mail your contact and ask the "status" of the case? Thanks! ::MonkeyCool::

Wreck

In February, 2009 ... following Joran's Range Rover "confession" that distanced the Kalpoes from involvement/knowledge of the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 ... my DIL and I ... extracting from the archives ... compiled a document exposing that fallacy and ... the document was emailed to William Haggerty ... Phil McGraw's attorney.

My DIL did receive a kind response from someone representing Haggerty expressing appreciation for her efforts but ... that was it.  No other contact was ever made.

Janet
 
I was just hoping ANY attempt to contact them might just pay off! I know they won't/can't provide any details of the case, but maybe they might share what the actual "status" is!

Thanks anyways!!

Wreck

IIRC Kermit mentioned just recently that he/she was sending research to Phil McGraw's attorneys.  Maybe Kermit has a contact.

Janet

Good point! Kermit??????????????????????????????????? What say you?!?  ::MonkeyCool::

There must be a mis-understanding. I am not sending information to Dr. Phil's attorney's.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 28, 2011, 05:03:24 PM
I apologize Kermit.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 28, 2011, 05:29:03 PM
THE INVOLVMENT OF THE KALPOES

NANCY GRACE
Kalpoe Brothers Rearrested
Aired August 26, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET


B. TWITTY: We`ve known from day one Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are way deeply involved in this.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/26/ng.01.html


November 30, 2007 -- Updated 0017 GMT (0817 HKT)
Brothers to be freed in Natalee Holloway case


ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CNN) -- Two of the suspects being held in connection with Natalee Holloway's presumed death will be released from custody by Saturday.

<snipped>

The Kalpoe brothers were previously jailed in the case, but were rearrested last week and charged with being involved in the "voluntary manslaughter" of Holloway.

The judge reasoned Friday that "the new evidence, together with the existing evidence in this case, produce serious grounds for the suspicion of some kind of aiding and abetting, of covering up the traces of a crime committed or of the disposing of a corpse," prosecutors said.

But people accused of those crimes do not qualify for pretrial detention under Aruban law, Mos told reporters.

<snipped>

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/11/30/aruba.holloway/index.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2011, 06:31:44 PM
I think the confusion is that Kermit posted some of the Kalpoe party photos before and after his meeting with Skeeters with hopes that the Dr. Phil attorneys were reading here ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: wreck on April 28, 2011, 07:50:31 PM
So I guess we are striking out with an "in" to the the defense team!  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 28, 2011, 08:16:57 PM
SOUTHERN NIGHTMARE … Deadly Tornadoes Rip Apart the South Killing 194 & 128 in Alabama

Please say a prayer for the folks in the South that were devastated by tornadoes yesterday. The pictures coming out of the devastation from the Southeast are beyond words. ....

MORE:
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2011/04/28/southern-nightmare-deadly-tornadoes-rip-apart-the-south-killing-194-128-in-alabama/

Posted April 28, 2011 by Scared Monkeys






Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 28, 2011, 09:18:41 PM
http://www.24ora.com/curacao/30918-homber-morto-den-dam-na-soto.html

Papiamentu translation:

man dead in dam at soto

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1...images.stories.news.2011.april.apr28.mortocur.jpg)

thursday, 28 april 2011 10:38

in one dam at soto police owing to hanja man dead not can tell activate dje dead still can tell with the cadaver is enough swell. brandweer is at the sitio for throw up the cadaver. investigation is follow.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 28, 2011, 09:20:20 PM
I heard from Tylergal and Cp405.  They are safe.

Great news!  Thank you for letting us know snoopy. 

Thank you Snoopy, this is great news.  Hopefully we will hear from Magnolia and Anna soon.  I'm thinking maybe they just don't have power right now.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2011, 09:29:07 PM
I heard from Tylergal and Cp405.  They are safe.

Thank you!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2011, 09:29:44 PM
http://www.24ora.com/curacao/30918-homber-morto-den-dam-na-soto.html

Papiamentu translation:

man dead in dam at soto

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1...images.stories.news.2011.april.apr28.mortocur.jpg)

thursday, 28 april 2011 10:38

in one dam at soto police owing to hanja man dead not can tell activate dje dead still can tell with the cadaver is enough swell. brandweer is at the sitio for throw up the cadaver. investigation is follow.



Geez another one?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 28, 2011, 09:50:00 PM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=7104&offId=0&offDate=2011-4

14 hora pasa | Fecha: 28/04/2011 | Horario: 07:25
IMAGENNAN DI E YEGADA NA E PROME CAS CU R.S.T. A YEGA PA HACI INVESTIGACION


RELATO VERSION DI MINISTERIO PUBLICO

 ::snipping2::

Google translation:

Action research on money laundering, illicit finance, tax and copper theft

Led by the prosecution, the Criminal Investigation Team (RST) Aruba the last period an investigation into money laundering, illicit finance, tax offenses and copper crime.

In this case, an action took place early this morning. At four sites, two homes and two businesses were searched for seizure made​​. It was mostly financial and other records seized. Were also computers, money, a single engine and cars confiscated.

Two suspects, the man T.S. (65 years) and his partner, wife G.A.F. (58 years), were arrested and are embedded in a police station.

During the action of the RST was given assistance by the Organised Crime Unit and the Special Projects Team of the Aruba Police Force and by the Tax Office. Were also a sniffer dog, and the technical and digital forensics used.

It fits within the policy of the prosecution to act decisively against the theft of copper and healing and the prevention of laundering of criminal funds. Dealing with it makes a positive contribution to the safety and financial integrity in Aruba.

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/7104/2_1304015402.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 28, 2011, 10:01:19 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6860:blauw-overgebracht-naar-kia&catid=108:artikelen-aruba&Itemid=199

Google translation:

Blue transferred to KIA

Thursday, 28 April 2011 6:37 p.m.

ORANGE CITY - Juan Junior 'Blue' Quant in late March his wife Chaldira Fish (Vis) shot in the head, was yesterday transferred to the prison in KIA. Shortly after his arrest in connection with this shooting, the suspect was a suicide attempt in the police cell. Agents could intervene in time and save the lives of the accused, who ended up in intensive care and artificial coma for a time was held.
 ::snipping2::
About the condition of the victim wants the OM only say that she is alive and still in hospital stay in Colombia. It is said that they also are conscious and recovering.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 28, 2011, 10:04:27 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6858:derde-keer-binnen-week-luchthaven-dicht&catid=151:artikel-headline-aruba&Itemid=200

Google translation:

Airport close third time in week

Thursday, 28 April 2011 6:29 p.m.

ORANGE CITY - A cargo plane earlier this week AmeriJet reported engine problems to air traffic from airport Reine Beatrix. A precautionary approach to the airport were dropped off by police.

The plane managed to land safely to come. It is the third time in a week that the airport is closed due to a plane in trouble. Last Saturday was an alarm on-board unit of Iberia beaten even before closing the airport. Also last week the airport was closed Thursday for some time because there is a hole in the runway was found. For four hours there was no air transport and aircraft were diverted.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 28, 2011, 10:51:06 PM
http://www.boletinextra.com/index.php/local-news/7784-aurora-funeral-home-kier-haya-permiso-pa-crema-morto

Papiamentu translation:

aurora funeral home wanted achieve permission for crema dead

thursday, 28 april 2011 14:51 5 comments

aruba will spaar 50% of prijs so cu cuminza give servicio of cremacion. donjo of aurora funeral home owing to divulga yesterday in 'ban papia' cu owing to become hour for gobierno can dunanan the permission for they can instala at machine for crema person. cremacion is hour are you hinca the restonan deadly of one person in one forno, cu via candela y gas will burn the curpa completo at temparatura high y will hasi'e grey. this will wordo hinca in one vaas y give at the family. the family can warde, dere, or tire in lama or where cu they wanted. is so cu aruba not conoce one ley cu is permiti cremacion. but this if is possible at the netherlands y also at corsow. propietario of the cas funeral is of opinion cu gobierno can just take the ley over of corsow y pase in parlmento. this will reduci the gastonan much of burial y vooral for esnan cu not have coin. according the propietario, all docuemento is inside y if gobierno honre the permission manyan, dentro of 5 month the can cuminza crema the first dead.  ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 28, 2011, 10:57:18 PM
http://www.boletinextra.com/index.php/local-news/7784-aurora-funeral-home-kier-haya-permiso-pa-crema-morto

Papiamentu translation:

aurora funeral home wanted achieve permission for crema dead

thursday, 28 april 2011 14:51 5 comments

aruba will spaar 50% of prijs so cu cuminza give servicio of cremacion. donjo of aurora funeral home owing to divulga yesterday in 'ban papia' cu owing to become hour for gobierno can dunanan the permission for they can instala at machine for crema person. cremacion is hour are you hinca the restonan deadly of one person in one forno, cu via candela y gas will burn the curpa completo at temparatura high y will hasi'e grey. this will wordo hinca in one vaas y give at the family. the family can warde, dere, or tire in lama or where cu they wanted. is so cu aruba not conoce one ley cu is permiti cremacion. but this if is possible at the netherlands y also at corsow. propietario of the cas funeral is of opinion cu gobierno can just take the ley over of corsow y pase in parlmento. this will reduci the gastonan much of burial y vooral for esnan cu not have coin. according the propietario, all docuemento is inside y if gobierno honre the permission manyan, dentro of 5 month the can cuminza crema the first dead.  ::snipping2::

same link...

comments:

 ::snipping2::
+7 #2 person concerni 2011-04-28 15:19
i is hanje much good self already cu if do not for her coin cu are you pay at cemetery then they owing to forget cu the cemetery is existi> here for of one kelder could you hinca more or less 50 awel the do not take away luga > formerly twt good for bury person awo not more i self is uno pro although they have cu fight much pace already one time zepp y yolanda owing to ask y they twt have even the machine > hour my wordo creama my wanted wordo throw at lama pace do you have cu treat me hour i am at life not hour i have die pace my not looking at the yet 
::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 29, 2011, 12:24:29 AM
THE INVOLVMENT OF THE KALPOES

Natalee's Mother: Deeply Involved

NANCY GRACE
Kalpoe Brothers Rearrested
Aired August 26, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET


B. TWITTY: We`ve known from day one Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are way deeply involved in this.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/26/ng.01.html


Judge: Serious Grounds for Suspicion

November 30, 2007 -- Updated 0017 GMT (0817 HKT)
Brothers to be freed in Natalee Holloway case


ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CNN) -- Two of the suspects being held in connection with Natalee Holloway's presumed death will be released from custody by Saturday.

<snipped>

The Kalpoe brothers were previously jailed in the case, but were rearrested last week and charged with being involved in the "voluntary manslaughter" of Holloway.

The judge reasoned Friday that "the new evidence, together with the existing evidence in this case, produce serious grounds for the suspicion of some kind of aiding and abetting, of covering up the traces of a crime committed or of the disposing of a corpse," prosecutors said.

But people accused of those crimes do not qualify for pretrial detention under Aruban law, Mos told reporters.

<snipped>

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/11/30/aruba.holloway/index.html


THE INVOLVEMENT OF THE KALPOES

Proscutor: Murder - Kidnapping - Gang Rape

Brothers arrested again in Aruba case
Two held on suspicion of acting with others in teen's rape, killing
Saturday, August 27, 2005 Posted: 0319 GMT (1119 HKT)


(CNN) -- After being detained and then released last month in Natalee Holloway's disappearance, two brothers were arrested again Friday in Aruba on suspicion they acted "together with other people" in raping and killing the Alabama teen, the prosecutor's office said.

Without elaborating on the evidence, the office said in a statement that "new facts and circumstances" led them to re-arrest Satish Kalpoe, 18 and brother Deepak, 21.

"They are suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately raping somebody," the statement said.

"Aside from these suspicions against the two brothers, there are new suspicions, which at this point the prosecutor is not commenting on."

<snipped>

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/LAW/08/26/aruba.arrests/index.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 29, 2011, 12:52:20 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon.jpg)

and Stephany!
 ::justice2NJ::
 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 29, 2011, 05:04:47 PM
http://www.starzlife.com/20110429/check-out-the-first-preview-for-justice-for-natalee-holloway/ (http://www.starzlife.com/20110429/check-out-the-first-preview-for-justice-for-natalee-holloway/)

Check Out The First Preview For ‘Justice For Natalee Holloway’
17 minutes ago at 17 minutes ago by Charley Been
Celebs Category: Movies
 ::snipping2::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 29, 2011, 05:20:08 PM
::MonkeyAngel::

"Justice for Natalee Holloway" Preview
http://youtu.be/EA-4zwOFlso

Vanished With Beth Holloway "Never Forget" Preview
http://youtu.be/ImlFFEa94dI

Vanished With Beth Holloway "Facebook" Preview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5jOmdwz12I

 ::justice2NJ::



In case anyone missed these, there are also a couple of links to previews of Vanished with Beth Holloway.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 29, 2011, 05:27:23 PM
Thanks TM.  I had missed your earlier post.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 30, 2011, 01:23:24 AM
http://www.mylifetime.com/movies/justice-for-natalee-holloway/video/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/JusticeforNataleeHolloway_May92011-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 30, 2011, 01:24:45 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Gr9908.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 30, 2011, 10:55:00 AM
SOUTHERN NIGHTMARE … Deadly Tornadoes Rip Apart the South Killing 194 & 128 in Alabama

Please say a prayer for the folks in the South that were devastated by tornadoes yesterday. The pictures coming out of the devastation from the Southeast are beyond words. ....

MORE:
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2011/04/28/southern-nightmare-deadly-tornadoes-rip-apart-the-south-killing-194-128-in-alabama/

Posted April 28, 2011 by Scared Monkeys






South Tries to Pick Up Pieces as 339 Dead From Tornadoes
Saturday, April 30, 2011


<snipped>

Across the South, volunteers have been pitching in as the death toll from Wednesday's storms keeps rising. At least 339 people were killed across seven states, including at least 248 in Alabama, as the storm system spawned tornadoes through several states. There were 34 deaths in Mississippi, 34 in Tennessee, 15 in Georgia, five in Virginia, two in Louisiana and one in Kentucky.

It was the largest death toll since March 18, 1925, when 747 people were killed in storms that raged through Missouri, Illinois and Indiana. That was long before the days when Doppler radar could warn communities of severe weather. Forecasters have said residents were told these tornadoes were coming. But they were just too wide and powerful and in populated areas to avoid the horrifying body count.

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,603104,00.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 30, 2011, 06:40:52 PM
FYI -  I just got an email from Magnolia's brother.  Magnolia and Hudson are OK but without power.  She didn't want us to worry.  I told her brother I would let everyone know how glad we are she is at least OK.
 ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 30, 2011, 07:25:54 PM
FYI -  I just got an email from Magnolia's brother.  Magnolia and Hudson are OK but without power.  She didn't want us to worry.  I told her brother I would let everyone know how glad we are she is at least OK.
 ::MonkeyDance::

Thank goodness they're alright!   ::MonkeyCheer2::   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::

She knew we'd be worried, I'm so glad she thankful she asked her brother to send the email. 

Huge relief here!   ::MonkeyCool::

Hope we hear from Anna soon!

 








Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 30, 2011, 07:27:50 PM
FYI -  I just got an email from Magnolia's brother.  Magnolia and Hudson are OK but without power.  She didn't want us to worry.  I told her brother I would let everyone know how glad we are she is at least OK.
 ::MonkeyDance::

Thank goodness they're alright!   ::MonkeyCheer2::   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::

She knew we'd be worried, I'm so glad AND thankful she asked her brother to send the email. 

Huge relief here!   ::MonkeyCool::

Hope we hear from Anna soon!



Edit...

So excited I couldn't even post right.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 30, 2011, 07:50:38 PM
FYI -  I just got an email from Magnolia's brother.  Magnolia and Hudson are OK but without power.  She didn't want us to worry.  I told her brother I would let everyone know how glad we are she is at least OK.
 ::MonkeyDance::

Thank goodness they're alright!   ::MonkeyCheer2::   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::

She knew we'd be worried, I'm so glad AND thankful she asked her brother to send the email. 

Huge relief here!   ::MonkeyCool::

Hope we hear from Anna soon!



Edit...

So excited I couldn't even post right.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

My response to Muffy over in Musings:

Thanks Klaas!  I really appreciate Mag's brother letting us know she and Hudson are okay.   ::MonkeyCheer4::

Yeah me too Muffy. I'm sure her brother thought she was nuts.  Hey bro, would you email this person you don't know and tell her to tell my "peeps" I'm ok?  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 30, 2011, 07:59:49 PM
FYI -  I just got an email from Magnolia's brother.  Magnolia and Hudson are OK but without power.  She didn't want us to worry.  I told her brother I would let everyone know how glad we are she is at least OK.
 ::MonkeyDance::

Thank goodness they're alright!   ::MonkeyCheer2::   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::

She knew we'd be worried, I'm so glad AND thankful she asked her brother to send the email. 

Huge relief here!   ::MonkeyCool::

Hope we hear from Anna soon!



Edit...

So excited I couldn't even post right.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

My response to Muffy over in Musings:

Thanks Klaas!  I really appreciate Mag's brother letting us know she and Hudson are okay.   ::MonkeyCheer4::

Yeah me too Muffy. I'm sure her brother thought she was nuts.  Hey bro, would you email this person you don't know and tell her to tell my "peeps" I'm ok?  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Blue Moon on April 30, 2011, 08:16:40 PM
FYI -  I just got an email from Magnolia's brother.  Magnolia and Hudson are OK but without power.  She didn't want us to worry.  I told her brother I would let everyone know how glad we are she is at least OK.
 ::MonkeyDance::

Thank goodness they're alright!   ::MonkeyCheer2::   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::

She knew we'd be worried, I'm so glad AND thankful she asked her brother to send the email. 

Huge relief here!   ::MonkeyCool::

Hope we hear from Anna soon!



Edit...

So excited I couldn't even post right.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

My response to Muffy over in Musings:

Thanks Klaas!  I really appreciate Mag's brother letting us know she and Hudson are okay.   ::MonkeyCheer4::

Yeah me too Muffy. I'm sure her brother thought she was nuts.  Hey bro, would you email this person you don't know and tell her to tell my "peeps" I'm ok?  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I was just thinking about Mags and Anna.  So glad Mags is o.k., now we need to hear from Anna.

 ::MonkeyCheer4::  ::MonkeyDance::  ::MonkeyDance::  ::MonkeyDance::

(Klaas, wonder what her brother thought when she told him he needed to email the head Monkey and tell all the other Monkies she is o.k.?)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 30, 2011, 08:21:38 PM
FYI -  I just got an email from Magnolia's brother.  Magnolia and Hudson are OK but without power.  She didn't want us to worry.  I told her brother I would let everyone know how glad we are she is at least OK.
 ::MonkeyDance::

Thank goodness they're alright!   ::MonkeyCheer2::   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::

She knew we'd be worried, I'm so glad AND thankful she asked her brother to send the email. 

Huge relief here!   ::MonkeyCool::

Hope we hear from Anna soon!



Edit...

So excited I couldn't even post right.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

My response to Muffy over in Musings:

Thanks Klaas!  I really appreciate Mag's brother letting us know she and Hudson are okay.   ::MonkeyCheer4::

Yeah me too Muffy. I'm sure her brother thought she was nuts.  Hey bro, would you email this person you don't know and tell her to tell my "peeps" I'm ok?  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I was just thinking about Mags and Anna.  So glad Mags is o.k., now we need to hear from Anna.

 ::MonkeyCheer4::  ::MonkeyDance::  ::MonkeyDance::  ::MonkeyDance::

(Klaas, wonder what her brother thought when she told him he needed to email the head Monkey and tell all the other Monkies she is o.k.?)

If he showed any hesitation at all, she probably told him "If they don't hear something from me soon, they'll hunt you down..."
 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 30, 2011, 08:39:50 PM
http://www.24ora.com/gallery.html?func=detail&id=39238

NOUVEAU RICHE by FUNKATEER @ HardRockCafe 29april'11

(http://www.24ora.com/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/nouveau_riche_by_funkateer__hardrockcafe_29april11_331/fiebre_latina__confessionnight_club_29april11_20110430_1205144102.jpg)


http://www.24ora.com/gallery.html?func=detail&id=39228

(http://www.24ora.com/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/nouveau_riche_by_funkateer__hardrockcafe_29april11_331/fiebre_latina__confessionnight_club_29april11_20110430_1252852671.jpg)

http://www.24ora.com/gallery.html?func=detail&id=39229

(http://www.24ora.com/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/nouveau_riche_by_funkateer__hardrockcafe_29april11_331/fiebre_latina__confessionnight_club_29april11_20110430_1955054099.jpg)

http://www.24ora.com/gallery.html?func=detail&id=39230

(http://www.24ora.com/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/nouveau_riche_by_funkateer__hardrockcafe_29april11_331/fiebre_latina__confessionnight_club_29april11_20110430_1492689401.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: San on April 30, 2011, 10:59:18 PM
FYI -  I just got an email from Magnolia's brother.  Magnolia and Hudson are OK but without power.  She didn't want us to worry.  I told her brother I would let everyone know how glad we are she is at least OK.
 ::MonkeyDance::

Glad to hear Magnolia is OK.

Now we are waiting for Anna to check in.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on May 01, 2011, 07:03:02 AM
I have been checking as often as I can to see if all our Monkeys are safe. Such devastating, horrible destruction  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 01, 2011, 09:36:08 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon.jpg)

and Stephany!
 ::justice2NJ::
 



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on May 01, 2011, 10:05:25 AM
FYI -  I just got an email from Magnolia's brother.  Magnolia and Hudson are OK but without power.  She didn't want us to worry.  I told her brother I would let everyone know how glad we are she is at least OK.
 ::MonkeyDance::

Glad to hear Magnolia is OK.

Now we are waiting for Anna to check in.

It was great to hear Magnolia and her Hudson are okay.   ::MonkeyCheer4::  I hope Anna checks in with us soon. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 01, 2011, 10:46:38 AM
Both the Aruba Today and Bondia Aruba websites are "under construction".  Neither has had current news for a while now.  IIRC, the latest Bondia was right after Betico Croes grave was broken into.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on May 01, 2011, 11:01:04 AM
Thanks TM - interesting


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 01, 2011, 12:11:40 PM
http://tvmegasite.net/prime/reviews/2010/justicefornatalee.shtml

"Justice for Natalee Holloway" review by Suzanne
Premieres Monday, May 9, at 8 pm ET/PT on Lifetime
 ::snipping2::

Pictures
http://tvmegasite.net/images/primetime/promo/lifetime/justice/



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 01, 2011, 01:01:40 PM
Reminder...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1wkagbyqv4

Uploaded by shonyakay on Apr 5, 2010

Justice for Natalee Holloway

http://www.youtube.com/v/G1wkagbyqv4?version=3


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Red on May 01, 2011, 01:16:17 PM
Natalee Holloway: 'Justice For Natalee' to Air on Lifetime Movie Channel Premieres Monday, May 9 at 8 pm et/pt

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2011/05/01/natalee-holloway-justice-for-natalee-to-air-on-lifetime-movie-channel-premieres-monday-may-9-at-8-pm-etpt/

Efforts by Beth Holloway continue to get “JUSTICE FOR NATALEE” …

Just when Aruba thought it was safe to go back in the water … the story of missing Alabama teen Natalee Holloway in Aruba and the continued lawless and indicted murderous ways of Joran Van der Sloot is brought to light. You go Beth, do not let anyone forget the travesty of justice that was perpetrated on a family of an Aruba tourist that became a victim and was brushed under the rug of Aruban incompetence, cronyism and corruption.

(http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Natalee_Beth_Holloway_grad.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 01, 2011, 01:41:53 PM
Natalee Holloway: 'Justice For Natalee' to Air on Lifetime Movie Channel Premieres Monday, May 9 at 8 pm et/pt

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2011/05/01/natalee-holloway-justice-for-natalee-to-air-on-lifetime-movie-channel-premieres-monday-may-9-at-8-pm-etpt/

Efforts by Beth Holloway continue to get “JUSTICE FOR NATALEE” …

Just when Aruba thought it was safe to go back in the water … the story of missing Alabama teen Natalee Holloway in Aruba and the continued lawless and indicted murderous ways of Joran Van der Sloot is brought to light. You go Beth, do not let anyone forget the travesty of justice that was perpetrated on a family of an Aruba tourist that became a victim and was brushed under the rug of Aruban incompetence, cronyism and corruption.

(http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Natalee_Beth_Holloway_grad.jpg)

Thanks Red!  Great post!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 01, 2011, 02:54:34 PM
Another shooting in Aruba...  ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/31001-tiramento-den-vorststraat-na-san-nicolas.html

tiramento in vorststraat at san nicolas

sunday, 01 may 2011 12:17

ambulance caminda for hospital cu victima cu tiro in abdomen. more info here rato. come across

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2011.mei.mei1.tiramento.DSC_0900.JPG)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 01, 2011, 03:00:37 PM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=7127&offId=0

Papiamentu translation:

2 hora happen | fecha: 01/05/2011 | horario: 12:51

at pastoor hendrikstraat in one form tactico police owing to succeed stop y detene the sospechoso of tiramento in vorststraat

all fotonan y detayenan at caminda

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/7127/5_1304273101.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 01, 2011, 03:06:37 PM
From last night...armed robbery

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=7124&offId=0&offDate=2011-5

Papiamentu translation:

17 hora happen | fecha: 01/05/2011 | horario: 21:38

atraco arm at texaco wayaca, the 2 atracadornan owing to bay on brommer direccion codemsa

 ::snipping2::
at arrival of the patrol owing to come compronde cu 2 person owing to enter full at black dress y both arm cu one arm of candela y owing to comete atraco. the 2 antisocialnan here owing to bay cu the cashregister completo. leave afo lever one brommer y bandona the sitio on one brommer direccion north direction for codemsa. according we pro owing to compronde they owing to bay cu more of 3 thousand guilder. 
::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 01, 2011, 03:10:25 PM
Another armed robbery last night...this one with a machete.


http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=7120&offId=0&offDate=2011-5

Papiamentu translation:

19 hora happen | fecha: 30/04/2011 | horario: 19:37

man at black dress y arm cu one machete owing to comete atraco at lago heights food center

 ::snipping2::
at arrival of the patrol owing to come constata cu one person full at black dress owing to enter the lugar arm cu one machete y owing to comete atraco where cu ela succeed bay cu among 500 for 800 guilder. 
::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 01, 2011, 03:13:03 PM
http://www.diario.aw/2010/09/joran-por-fabor-basha-abao-pa-caba/

(http://www.diario.aw/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/joran.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 01, 2011, 10:31:44 PM
SOUTHERN NIGHTMARE … Deadly Tornadoes Rip Apart the South Killing 194 & 128 in Alabama

Please say a prayer for the folks in the South that were devastated by tornadoes yesterday. The pictures coming out of the devastation from the Southeast are beyond words. ....

MORE:
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2011/04/28/southern-nightmare-deadly-tornadoes-rip-apart-the-south-killing-194-128-in-alabama/

Posted April 28, 2011 by Scared Monkeys






South Tries to Pick Up Pieces as 339 Dead From Tornadoes
Saturday, April 30, 2011


<snipped>

Across the South, volunteers have been pitching in as the death toll from Wednesday's storms keeps rising. At least 339 people were killed across seven states, including at least 248 in Alabama, as the storm system spawned tornadoes through several states. There were 34 deaths in Mississippi, 34 in Tennessee, 15 in Georgia, five in Virginia, two in Louisiana and one in Kentucky.

It was the largest death toll since March 18, 1925, when 747 people were killed in storms that raged through Missouri, Illinois and Indiana. That was long before the days when Doppler radar could warn communities of severe weather. Forecasters have said residents were told these tornadoes were coming. But they were just too wide and powerful and in populated areas to avoid the horrifying body count.

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,603104,00.html



Volunteers Across the South Tend to Storm-Ravaged Communities
Published May 01, 2011


PRATT CITY, Ala. –  Volunteers in splintered Southern towns are ensuring tornado victims are well-fed and warm at night, whether by refilling blood pressure medicine or patrolling neighborhoods in a grocery-filled pickup truck. At least a few, though, say they need more from the government: Help getting into their homes and cleaning up endless debris.

Across the twister-ravaged South, students and church groups aggressively tended to those who needed it most, clearing away wreckage and handing out food and water. Wednesday's tornadoes marked the second-deadliest day of twisters in U.S. history, leaving 342 people dead across seven states -- including 250 in Alabama. Thousands were hurt, and hundreds of homes and businesses have vanished into rubble.

Federal Emergency Management Agency workers provided information to people in shelters about how to apply for help. National Guard soldiers stood watch, searched for survivors and helped sift through debris. Churches transformed into buzzing community hubs.

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/05/01/volunteers-lend-hand-southern-storm-survivors/



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 01, 2011, 10:58:46 PM
Natalee Holloway: 'Justice For Natalee' to Air on Lifetime Movie Channel Premieres Monday, May 9 at 8 pm et/pt

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2011/05/01/natalee-holloway-justice-for-natalee-to-air-on-lifetime-movie-channel-premieres-monday-may-9-at-8-pm-etpt/

Efforts by Beth Holloway continue to get “JUSTICE FOR NATALEE” …

Just when Aruba thought it was safe to go back in the water … the story of missing Alabama teen Natalee Holloway in Aruba and the continued lawless and indicted murderous ways of Joran Van der Sloot is brought to light. You go Beth, do not let anyone forget the travesty of justice that was perpetrated on a family of an Aruba tourist that became a victim and was brushed under the rug of Aruban incompetence, cronyism and corruption.

(http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Natalee_Beth_Holloway_grad.jpg)


Joran van der Sloot

'I wanted to get back at Natalee's family - her parents have been making my life tough for five years.'


October, 2010

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Van-der-Sloot-true-story-book/zMY1TGGVkU2Kc8LMCiU6pA.cspx

 
Beth Holloway

'If he thinks I've been pestering him for the past five years, he hasn't seen anything yet.'


November, 2010

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on May 01, 2011, 10:58:57 PM
O/T:

Breaking News:

Osama Bin Laden is DEAD!!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on May 01, 2011, 11:04:13 PM
OSAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD
coming across the news now.
his body is in U.S. custody.

WOW


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on May 01, 2011, 11:05:22 PM
CBB
we posted same time.

President Obama will speak tonight.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: wreck on May 01, 2011, 11:07:57 PM
O/T:

Breaking News:

Osama Bin Laden is DEAD!!   ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on May 01, 2011, 11:08:06 PM
Natalee Holloway: 'Justice For Natalee' to Air on Lifetime Movie Channel Premieres Monday, May 9 at 8 pm et/pt

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2011/05/01/natalee-holloway-justice-for-natalee-to-air-on-lifetime-movie-channel-premieres-monday-may-9-at-8-pm-etpt/

Efforts by Beth Holloway continue to get “JUSTICE FOR NATALEE” …

Just when Aruba thought it was safe to go back in the water … the story of missing Alabama teen Natalee Holloway in Aruba and the continued lawless and indicted murderous ways of Joran Van der Sloot is brought to light. You go Beth, do not let anyone forget the travesty of justice that was perpetrated on a family of an Aruba tourist that became a victim and was brushed under the rug of Aruban incompetence, cronyism and corruption.

(http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Natalee_Beth_Holloway_grad.jpg)


Beth is a rock of courage.

GIVE NATALEE BACK TO HER FAMILY ARUBA - WE WON'T EVER GIVE UP UNTIL YOU DO


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on May 01, 2011, 11:09:26 PM
Hang in there Miss Magnolia and Anna and all those in the affected area. Prayers & good thoughts to you all.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on May 01, 2011, 11:14:42 PM
OT

Thread started in The Monkey Lounge - News of the Day.  OSAMA BIN LADEN DEAD
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9817.0


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 01, 2011, 11:42:31 PM
Natalee Holloway: 'Justice For Natalee' to Air on Lifetime Movie Channel Premieres Monday, May 9 at 8 pm et/pt

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2011/05/01/natalee-holloway-justice-for-natalee-to-air-on-lifetime-movie-channel-premieres-monday-may-9-at-8-pm-etpt/

Efforts by Beth Holloway continue to get “JUSTICE FOR NATALEE” …

Just when Aruba thought it was safe to go back in the water … the story of missing Alabama teen Natalee Holloway in Aruba and the continued lawless and indicted murderous ways of Joran Van der Sloot is brought to light. You go Beth, do not let anyone forget the travesty of justice that was perpetrated on a family of an Aruba tourist that became a victim and was brushed under the rug of Aruban incompetence, cronyism and corruption.

(http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Natalee_Beth_Holloway_grad.jpg)


Beth is a rock of courage.

GIVE NATALEE BACK TO HER FAMILY ARUBA - WE WON'T EVER GIVE UP UNTIL YOU DO


 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on May 02, 2011, 12:03:00 AM
On this night of JUSTICE..... FINALLY, my hope is to see final justice for Natalee and Stephany, too.

Bring Natalee home!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: San on May 02, 2011, 12:48:51 AM
Texasmom I love your avatar.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 02, 2011, 12:53:53 AM
Texasmom I love your avatar.

Thank you San!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 02, 2011, 12:58:23 AM
On this night of JUSTICE..... FINALLY, my hope is to see final justice for Natalee and Stephany, too.

Bring Natalee home!

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 02, 2011, 02:05:18 AM
I love your avatar, San!    ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 02, 2011, 02:41:11 AM
Reminder...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1wkagbyqv4

Uploaded by shonyakay on Apr 5, 2010

Justice for Natalee Holloway

http://www.youtube.com/v/G1wkagbyqv4?version=3

http://www.starzlife.com/20110429/check-out-the-first-preview-for-justice-for-natalee-holloway/ (http://www.starzlife.com/20110429/check-out-the-first-preview-for-justice-for-natalee-holloway/)

Check Out The First Preview For ‘Justice For Natalee Holloway’
17 minutes ago at 17 minutes ago by Charley Been
Celebs Category: Movies
 ::snipping2::

http://www.youtube.com/v/EA-4zwOFlso?version=3


http://www.mylifetime.com/movies/justice-for-natalee-holloway/video/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/JusticeforNataleeHolloway_May92011-1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/n3-1.jpg)

Beth's not giving up, and we're here standing beside her for as long as it takes.
 
::MonkeyAngel::







Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on May 02, 2011, 11:14:00 AM
::MonkeyAngel::

http://www.mylifetime.com/movies/natalee-holloway/the-beth-holloway-interview

The Beth Holloway Interview
by Rachel Cohen

 ::snipping2::

Has it been emotional to replay these events?

I don’t think that anything could compare with the first four months of what we endured while searching for Natalee in Aruba. The movie is something I view as an accomplishment, because we are able to help shed light on a lot of things that I wrote about in my book.

-----------------------------------

Beth is going to accomplish it again on May 9--"shed light on a lot of things."   ::justice2NJ::


 ::MonkeyHeart::  Beth.  She didn't run and hide, she did what she could to make sense of it all, and to make life better and safer for others.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on May 02, 2011, 11:23:41 AM
The actor playing Joran is too normal looking.  He's doesn't have the look of a Sloot/murderer.

They should have advertsied for "Wonky-eyed, Brooding, Sasquatch" to star in it!  :smt040

 ::MonkeyDevil2::

 ::rhino:: ::MonkeyDevil::


In all seriousness, there is something unusual looking about Joran.  They may be able to do MRIs and CT scans of his head to see what parts may be different.  I don't mean experiment on him, but they do it to our children (children with autism) all the time to see what may be different or what parts of the brain may be different to try to help our kids.  They have even said they have identified some things. 

Since he obviously has behavioral and anger issues, let him do something useful instead of just killing and waiting for trial.  Let him do something good for someone.  He has said he murdered Stephany in a fit of anger, let's see what causes that to happen.  I am NOT suggesting causing him distress or getting revenge for all of the evil he has bestowed on who knows how many people, but doing something that would help people for a change.  His Mom supposedly wanted to send him to get help, why not do it now?



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: snoopy on May 02, 2011, 11:47:46 AM
So happy to hear that Magnolia and Hudson are ok.  Now where's Anna?

And Bondia is under construction?  Hopefully to grow a brain and get a heart.  And we won't even talk about cosmetics.  pppfffttt


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on May 02, 2011, 11:54:44 AM
So happy to hear that Magnolia and Hudson are ok.  Now where's Anna?

And Bondia is under construction?  Hopefully to grow a brain and get a heart.  And we won't even talk about cosmetics.  pppfffttt

I keep checking in to see if anyone's heard from Anna.  Hopefully we'll hear from her soon.

BBM

ITA ppppffffttt!

Hi ya Snoop Dog!   ::dogwag::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Patriot on May 02, 2011, 02:44:11 PM
http://www.24ora.com/gallery.html?func=detail&id=39238

NOUVEAU RICHE by FUNKATEER @ HardRockCafe 29april'11

(http://www.24ora.com/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/nouveau_riche_by_funkateer__hardrockcafe_29april11_331/fiebre_latina__confessionnight_club_29april11_20110430_1205144102.jpg)


http://www.24ora.com/gallery.html?func=detail&id=39228

(http://www.24ora.com/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/nouveau_riche_by_funkateer__hardrockcafe_29april11_331/fiebre_latina__confessionnight_club_29april11_20110430_1252852671.jpg)

http://www.24ora.com/gallery.html?func=detail&id=39229

(http://www.24ora.com/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/nouveau_riche_by_funkateer__hardrockcafe_29april11_331/fiebre_latina__confessionnight_club_29april11_20110430_1955054099.jpg)

http://www.24ora.com/gallery.html?func=detail&id=39230

(http://www.24ora.com/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/nouveau_riche_by_funkateer__hardrockcafe_29april11_331/fiebre_latina__confessionnight_club_29april11_20110430_1492689401.jpg)

This is probably obvious, but that is Deepak in the green/bluish shirt in the middle right?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 02, 2011, 03:18:07 PM
Patriot,
If I understood your question correctly (the right person) I think this is a better picture of the guy.

http://www.24ora.com/gallery.html?func=detail&id=39256

(http://www.24ora.com/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/nouveau_riche_by_funkateer__hardrockcafe_29april11_331/fiebre_latina__confessionnight_club_29april11_20110430_2006960186.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Patriot on May 02, 2011, 03:22:33 PM
Patriot,
If I understood your question correctly (the right person) I think this is a better picture of the guy.

http://www.24ora.com/gallery.html?func=detail&id=39256

(http://www.24ora.com/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/nouveau_riche_by_funkateer__hardrockcafe_29april11_331/fiebre_latina__confessionnight_club_29april11_20110430_2006960186.jpg)

Thanks texasmom. From afar it looked liked on of those Kalpoe clowns.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on May 02, 2011, 03:44:07 PM
So happy to hear that Magnolia and Hudson are ok.  Now where's Anna?

And Bondia is under construction?  Hopefully to grow a brain and get a heart.  And we won't even talk about cosmetics.  pppfffttt

I keep checking in to see if anyone's heard from Anna.  Hopefully we'll hear from her soon.

BBM

ITA ppppffffttt!

Hi ya Snoop Dog!   ::dogwag::

Yesterday I emailed Anna again at a 2nd email addy I had for her.  I will certainly let everyone know if I hear from her.  I worry too.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on May 02, 2011, 05:17:41 PM
So happy to hear that Magnolia and Hudson are ok.  Now where's Anna?

And Bondia is under construction?  Hopefully to grow a brain and get a heart.  And we won't even talk about cosmetics.  pppfffttt

I keep checking in to see if anyone's heard from Anna.  Hopefully we'll hear from her soon.

BBM

ITA ppppffffttt!

Hi ya Snoop Dog!   ::dogwag::

Yesterday I emailed Anna again at a 2nd email addy I had for her.  I will certainly let everyone know if I hear from her.  I worry too.


Thank you, Klaas. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 02, 2011, 05:33:40 PM
So happy to hear that Magnolia and Hudson are ok.  Now where's Anna?

And Bondia is under construction?  Hopefully to grow a brain and get a heart.  And we won't even talk about cosmetics.  pppfffttt

I keep checking in to see if anyone's heard from Anna.  Hopefully we'll hear from her soon.

BBM

ITA ppppffffttt!

Hi ya Snoop Dog!   ::dogwag::

Yesterday I emailed Anna again at a 2nd email addy I had for her.  I will certainly let everyone know if I hear from her.  I worry too.

Thanks Klaas!   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 02, 2011, 06:07:38 PM
http://www.bucuticam.com/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/BucutiBeachResortAruba_05022011-1.jpg)
 
  ::MonkeyBike:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 02, 2011, 06:19:28 PM
http://www.diario.aw/2011/04/nan-a-bin-descubri-tribon-grandi-cerca-di-boca-grandi/

Papiamentu translation:

they owing to come descubri shark big close of mouth big (Boca Grandi)

publication: friday, 29 april 2011.

categoria: general

past owing to worde see via helicopter…

oranjestad (aan); at hill colorado at height mouth big according owing to worde reporta at central of police, cu personal of kustwacht by they helicopter, owing to look at one “tribon” (shark) very big close of costa. for colmo owing to señala also at one distancia of more or less 50 metre have person is surf, cual assure is form one danger earnest for her surfernan. more informe not was available, if acaso the surfer also owing to notice the shark in his cercania cu past owing to busca for actuate cu yudanza of olanan more rapidez possible direccion for ground.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 02, 2011, 06:43:38 PM
http://dailyfreepress.com/2010/11/02/crime-down-alcohol-transports-up-on-halloween/

Crime down, alcohol transports up on Halloween

Written by Chelsea Diana Published Nov 2, 2010

On Saturday night of Halloween weekend, the Boston University Police Department added six more officers to their street patrol in order to curb an increase of alcohol related crimes.

 ::snipping2::

While the arrests for illegally transporting alcohol on the streets decreased, the number of student alcohol transports to the hospital increased from previous years.

From Thursday to Sunday night there were 16 student alcohol transports, the majority occurring Saturday night, according to BUPD reports.

::snipping2::

Students noticed the larger number of patrols as they headed to the streets for Halloween festivities.

“The police were out everywhere,” said Olivia Zeolla, a freshman in the College of Arts and Sciences. “Halloween is just an excuse for students to dress like sluts and go out every night. The police realized that fact and took advantage of it.”

::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on May 02, 2011, 06:47:31 PM
http://dailyfreepress.com/2010/11/02/crime-down-alcohol-transports-up-on-halloween/

Crime down, alcohol transports up on Halloween

Written by Chelsea Diana Published Nov 2, 2010

On Saturday night of Halloween weekend, the Boston University Police Department added six more officers to their street patrol in order to curb an increase of alcohol related crimes.

 ::snipping2::

While the arrests for illegally transporting alcohol on the streets decreased, the number of student alcohol transports to the hospital increased from previous years.

From Thursday to Sunday night there were 16 student alcohol transports, the majority occurring Saturday night, according to BUPD reports.

::snipping2::

Students noticed the larger number of patrols as they headed to the streets for Halloween festivities.

“The police were out everywhere,” said Olivia Zeolla, a freshman in the College of Arts and Sciences. “Halloween is just an excuse for students to dress like sluts and go out every night. The police realized that fact and took advantage of it.”

::snipping2::


Yeah, Olivia is trying to bring Aruban standards to Boston.  By all appearances, the women in Aruba have no self esteem.  They think the only way they can get anywhere is with sex. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on May 02, 2011, 07:29:13 PM
JUST GOT THIS MESSAGE FROM ANNA:

"Yes, I am OK and just had power restored after 4 days.  But I am fortunate—no injuries or property damage.  Lots of family and friends not so lucky.  The damage is unbelievable.  And still areas to be searched.  Remember all of this region in your prayers. "

 ::MonkeyDance::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 02, 2011, 07:35:59 PM
JUST GOT THIS MESSAGE FROM ANNA:

"Yes, I am OK and just had power restored after 4 days.  But I am fortunate—no injuries or property damage.  Lots of family and friends not so lucky.  The damage is unbelievable.  And still areas to be searched.  Remember all of this region in your prayers. "

 ::MonkeyDance::


Wonderful news, so glad she's safe!   ::MonkeyDance::

Thanks Klaas!

Hopefully Magnolia will have her power back soon too.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 02, 2011, 07:42:37 PM
http://dailyfreepress.com/2010/11/02/crime-down-alcohol-transports-up-on-halloween/

Crime down, alcohol transports up on Halloween

Written by Chelsea Diana Published Nov 2, 2010

On Saturday night of Halloween weekend, the Boston University Police Department added six more officers to their street patrol in order to curb an increase of alcohol related crimes.

 ::snipping2::

While the arrests for illegally transporting alcohol on the streets decreased, the number of student alcohol transports to the hospital increased from previous years.

From Thursday to Sunday night there were 16 student alcohol transports, the majority occurring Saturday night, according to BUPD reports.

::snipping2::

Students noticed the larger number of patrols as they headed to the streets for Halloween festivities.

“The police were out everywhere,” said Olivia Zeolla, a freshman in the College of Arts and Sciences. “Halloween is just an excuse for students to dress like sluts and go out every night. The police realized that fact and took advantage of it.”

::snipping2::


Yeah, Olivia is trying to bring Aruban standards to Boston.  By all appearances, the women in Aruba have no self esteem.  They think the only way they can get anywhere is with sex. 

Yes, it sure does seem that way.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on May 02, 2011, 08:01:04 PM
JUST GOT THIS MESSAGE FROM ANNA:

"Yes, I am OK and just had power restored after 4 days.  But I am fortunate—no injuries or property damage.  Lots of family and friends not so lucky.  The damage is unbelievable.  And still areas to be searched.  Remember all of this region in your prayers. "

 ::MonkeyDance::


Wonderful news, so glad she's safe!   ::MonkeyDance::

Thanks Klaas!

Hopefully Magnolia will have her power back soon too.

 ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: snoopy on May 02, 2011, 09:15:50 PM

I'm so thankful to here from Anna.  Thanks Klaasend.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: snoopy on May 02, 2011, 11:01:20 PM
hear.  ya'll know that. lol


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on May 02, 2011, 11:03:42 PM
JUST GOT THIS MESSAGE FROM ANNA:

"Yes, I am OK and just had power restored after 4 days.  But I am fortunate—no injuries or property damage.  Lots of family and friends not so lucky.  The damage is unbelievable.  And still areas to be searched.  Remember all of this region in your prayers. "

 ::MonkeyDance::




Thanks, Klaas!! Is that everyone now?   ::MonkeyEek::

I'm so glad to hear that Anna is OK, and yes, I'm keeping all those in the storm's/tornado's path in my prayers. We're taking 3 huge "care boxes" tomorrow to Glade's Spring, Va. where the devastation is just unbelievable. We just set a washing machine box outside the clinic waiting room along with a list obtained of needed items and they're brimming over with clothes, dry and canned goods, etc. Virtually every material item needed to simply live was on the lists. People were left with nothing but what they were wearing. I'm sending a check along with the goods, but I wish it could be more.    ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 03, 2011, 01:47:22 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon.jpg)

and Stephany!
 ::justice2NJ::
 



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Post by: can on May 03, 2011, 08:20:32 AM
JUST GOT THIS MESSAGE FROM ANNA:

"Yes, I am OK and just had power restored after 4 days.  But I am fortunate—no injuries or property damage.  Lots of family and friends not so lucky.  The damage is unbelievable.  And still areas to be searched.  Remember all of this region in your prayers. "

 ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyAngel::





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: can on May 03, 2011, 08:21:32 AM
JUST GOT THIS MESSAGE FROM ANNA:

"Yes, I am OK and just had power restored after 4 days.  But I am fortunate—no injuries or property damage.  Lots of family and friends not so lucky.  The damage is unbelievable.  And still areas to be searched.  Remember all of this region in your prayers. "

 ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyAngel::




oops,  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on May 03, 2011, 01:24:58 PM
JUST GOT THIS MESSAGE FROM ANNA:

"Yes, I am OK and just had power restored after 4 days.  But I am fortunate—no injuries or property damage.  Lots of family and friends not so lucky.  The damage is unbelievable.  And still areas to be searched.  Remember all of this region in your prayers. "

 ::MonkeyDance::




 ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Anna on May 03, 2011, 02:13:03 PM
Thanks to everyone for your care and concern and prayers.

For once, I am pretty much speechless. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 03, 2011, 03:11:27 PM
Thanks to everyone for your care and concern and prayers.

For once, I am pretty much speechless. 

So glad to see you back Anna, we were all so worried!   ::MonkeyDance::

I'm so glad you and our other monkeys that have checked in from the storms path are safe!

Prayers of thanks are still being sent up here!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on May 03, 2011, 05:50:30 PM
Thanks to everyone for your care and concern and prayers.

For once, I am pretty much speechless. 


I'm so glad you checked in and are okay Anna.   ::dogwag::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on May 03, 2011, 06:18:36 PM
May have already been posted:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jackie-k-cooper/two-programs-concerning-b_b_856931.html

Two Programs Concerning Beth and Natalee Holloway
Posted: 05/ 3/11 04:58 PM ET

The disappearance of Natalee Holloway continues to fascinate people even though it has been six years since she went missing in Aruba. Lifetime Television now offers a second movie on this case. This one is titled "Justice For Natalee Holloway" and concerns Natalee's mother's continuing search for the truth as to what happened to her daughter.

In 2010 the case was once again in the headlines when it was discovered that Joran van der Sloot was suspected in the murder of a young Peruvian woman. Beth Holloway headed to Peru and talked with van der Sloot. Her journey to find the truth during the years 2005 to 2010 makes up the basic story of this film.

The movie shows how Beth (Tracy Pollan) sacrificed her marriage to Jug Twitty (Grant Show), in some ways her relationship with her son Matt, and endless amounts of money to try to find out what happened to Natalee. She is determined to go to the ends of the earth for some type of resolution and at each turn she is blocked by either the system or the people involved.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 03, 2011, 06:43:56 PM
 ::HelloKitty:: ::dogwag::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on May 03, 2011, 06:48:22 PM
::HelloKitty:: ::dogwag::

About time!  So glad you are back!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::HelloKitty:: ::dogwag::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on May 03, 2011, 08:12:45 PM
DON'T MISS THE DANA PRETZER SHOW AT 9PM ET TONIGHT!

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5300/5685623184_8f317f61be_o.jpg)

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/radio.m3u


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on May 03, 2011, 08:32:20 PM
Good to see Miss Magnolia and Miss Anna are okay.
 ::monkeymargarita::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 03, 2011, 08:48:32 PM
::HelloKitty:: ::dogwag::
::HelloKitty::   ::MonkeyDance::

So glad you're safe and back here with us Magnolia!   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 03, 2011, 09:01:41 PM
http://www.diario.aw/2011/05/aruba-a-tuma-precaucion/

Papiamentu translation:

aruba did take precaucion

publication: tuesday, 3 may 2011.

categoria: general

relaciona cu dead of come laden 

oranjestad (aan): at aruba rapidamente precaucionnan owing to worde take of instant cu chairman of merca, barack obama, owing to haci conoci cu merca owing to realiza one accion exitoso contra of osama come laden. first minister mike eman, after of the anuncio of chairman obama owing to coordina cu ministerio publico, cuerpo policial y departamento of seguridad nacional one serie of precaucionnan for intensifica seguridad at aruba y trafico of entrance y exit of we country. the intensificacion of the precaucionnan here will stay vigente for her next dianan.


osama come laden   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on May 03, 2011, 09:04:09 PM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=7166&offId=0&offDate=2011-5

INCREIBEL UN BAÑO DI SCHOOL DEN ORANJESTAD, HALLO ......... ESAKI TA ENSEÑANZA 2011 NA ARUBA? ESAKI NO POR!!!!!!

Unda Departamento di Hygiena a keda? Unda Fundacion pa DErecho di Mucha a keda? Comision di Mayornan di e school ta na altura di e situacion di baño na e respectivo schoolnan? Mayornan boso a controla e bañonan di e school unda boso yiunan ta bay? Kiko boso ta warda? Anto nos ta stima nos yiunan hopi of NO!
(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/7166/2_1304444701.jpg)

Thru pap translator:

increibel one baÑo of school in oranjestad, hello come across......... this is enseÑanza 2011 at aruba? this not can!!!!!!

where departamento of hygiena owing to stay? where fundacion for derecho of child owing to stay? comision of parents of the school is at height of the situation of bathroom at the respectivo schoolnan? parents you owing to controla the bañonan of the school where you yiunan is bay? what you is keep? then we loves we yiunan much or not!


Thru Klaas translator:
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5147/5685746434_608f2aef0c_o.gif)

 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 03, 2011, 09:12:16 PM
Klaas, if you think we should snip it...please do so.  TIA 

Attempted rape of another young American girl!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.diario.aw/2011/05/mucha-muher-mericano-di-19-ana-cu-denuncia-pa-intento-di-violacion/

Papiamentu translation:

child muher mericano of 19 year cu denuncia for attempt of violacion

publication: tuesday, 3 may 2011.

categoria: general

one such “michelangelo” will worde busca for give cuenta:

oranjestad (aan): saturday marduga polisnan owing to bay atende one caso earnest cu owing to worde reporta. according the informe cu owing to arrive at oido of central of police y owing to stay registra for 4’ or y 30 minuut cu is solicita presencia of police at one high rise hotel is menciona at first instancia probably owing to hinca one person. but at arrival this not was the caso. patrol north cu owing to acudi at the hotel owing to come across cu one child muher mericano of inicialnan j.r. of 19 year of edad.

the child muher mericano owing to count ; police cu past owing to visit one night club at oranjestad y the was together cu one girlfriend y owing to come across cu one boy one such “michelangelo”.

they owing to bay visit various casino hour they was at holiday inn the denunciante j.r owing to dicidi of march bay marriott hotel y past owing to let his girlfriend y the boy michelangelo at the holiday inn. during the was canando direccion for marriott hotel at dado instant the is become his cara y the looking at the boy is march his slow. the boy owing to bise cu the can arrive his hotel more rapido if the take one short cut.

hour cu they did take one caminda more cortico y boy owing to gare for deal of rape, past owing to tapa his mouth for her not bark, but past owing to haye is struggle fight serious for defende his self for so the can owing to succeed core bay. hour past owing to arrive at the hotel provided that cuestion past owing to reporta the sucedido.


the caso earnest reporta y denuncia have pleno atencion of autoridad competente. investigadornan did take all dato, descripcion relaciona cu denuncia earnest here. do not exclui cu casino (nan) cu they owing to visit will can help also cu fotonan capta during they're in one of the casinonan of the boy cual will can facilita the investigadornan relaciona cu the investigacion.

locual is the boy “michelangelo” autoridad will buske for her give cuenta of the denuncia earnest of the sucedido.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 03, 2011, 09:14:22 PM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=7166&offId=0&offDate=2011-5

INCREIBEL UN BAÑO DI SCHOOL DEN ORANJESTAD, HALLO ......... ESAKI TA ENSEÑANZA 2011 NA ARUBA? ESAKI NO POR!!!!!!

Unda Departamento di Hygiena a keda? Unda Fundacion pa DErecho di Mucha a keda? Comision di Mayornan di e school ta na altura di e situacion di baño na e respectivo schoolnan? Mayornan boso a controla e bañonan di e school unda boso yiunan ta bay? Kiko boso ta warda? Anto nos ta stima nos yiunan hopi of NO!
(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/7166/2_1304444701.jpg)

Thru pap translator:

increibel one baÑo of school in oranjestad, hello come across......... this is enseÑanza 2011 at aruba? this not can!!!!!!

where departamento of hygiena owing to stay? where fundacion for derecho of child owing to stay? comision of parents of the school is at height of the situation of bathroom at the respectivo schoolnan? parents you owing to controla the bañonan of the school where you yiunan is bay? what you is keep? then we loves we yiunan much or not!


Thru Klaas translator:
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5147/5685746434_608f2aef0c_o.gif)

 ::MonkeyDevil::
::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on May 03, 2011, 09:28:12 PM
TM - is that saying a 19yr old female tourist was accosted/attacked by a local by the name of michelangelo?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 03, 2011, 09:37:33 PM
TM - is that saying a 19yr old female tourist was accosted/attacked by a local by the name of michelangelo?

That's my understanding.

I think I have a good idea what happened but some of it I'm not sure of.

Maybe Sandy Leiva will be by later and help with it.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on May 03, 2011, 09:46:01 PM
There are a bunch of Michelangelo's in Aruba.  Do we know the last name or initial of this one?  Age?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 03, 2011, 09:53:03 PM
Klaas, if you think we should snip it...please do so.  TIA 

Attempted rape of another young American girl!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.diario.aw/2011/05/mucha-muher-mericano-di-19-ana-cu-denuncia-pa-intento-di-violacion/

Papiamentu translation:

child muher mericano of 19 year cu denuncia for attempt of violacion

publication: tuesday, 3 may 2011.

categoria: general

one such “michelangelo” will worde busca for give cuenta:

oranjestad (aan): saturday marduga polisnan owing to bay atende one caso earnest cu owing to worde reporta. according the informe cu owing to arrive at oido of central of police y owing to stay registra for 4’ or y 30 minuut cu is solicita presencia of police at one high rise hotel is menciona at first instancia probably owing to hinca one person. but at arrival this not was the caso. patrol north cu owing to acudi at the hotel owing to come across cu one child muher mericano of inicialnan j.r. of 19 year of edad.

the child muher mericano owing to count ; police cu past owing to visit one night club at oranjestad y the was together cu one girlfriend y owing to come across cu one boy one such “michelangelo”.

they owing to bay visit various casino hour they was at holiday inn the denunciante j.r owing to dicidi of march bay marriott hotel y past owing to let his girlfriend y the boy michelangelo at the holiday inn. during the was canando direccion for marriott hotel at dado instant the is become his cara y the looking at the boy is march his slow. the boy owing to bise cu the can arrive his hotel more rapido if the take one short cut.

hour cu they did take one caminda more cortico y boy owing to gare for deal of rape, past owing to tapa his mouth for her not bark, but past owing to haye is struggle fight serious for defende his self for so the can owing to succeed core bay. hour past owing to arrive at the hotel provided that cuestion past owing to reporta the sucedido.


the caso earnest reporta y denuncia have pleno atencion of autoridad competente. investigadornan did take all dato, descripcion relaciona cu denuncia earnest here. do not exclui cu casino (nan) cu they owing to visit will can help also cu fotonan capta during they're in one of the casinonan of the boy cual will can facilita the investigadornan relaciona cu the investigacion.

locual is the boy “michelangelo” autoridad will buske for her give cuenta of the denuncia earnest of the sucedido.

This is my understanding...

19 year old girl goes out to one of the night clubs with a girlfriend.  They meet this guy Michelangelo.  They all go to a couple of the casinos including the one at the Holiday Inn where the 19 year old decides to call it a night and walk back to her hotel (the Marriott).

This is the part that I'm not real sure about...

(whether it was the Michelangelo that followed her out, or if there was another guy out there waiting for her...maybe tipped off by Michelangelo...jmo) 

She leaves her girlfriend and "Michelangelo" in the casino but as she's walking she notices that he has followed her out and is walking slow?  He suggests a short cut back to her hotel,  that's where he tries to rape her?  I think it also says he taped her mouth shut to keep her from screaming, but that she fought for her life and got away from him.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 03, 2011, 09:56:31 PM
There are a bunch of Michelangelo's in Aruba.  Do we know the last name or initial of this one?  Age?

I don't think either was given in the article.  I'll look around some more in the other online news sources but if they posted anything about this over the weekend I missed it.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 03, 2011, 10:16:06 PM
There are a bunch of Michelangelo's in Aruba.  Do we know the last name or initial of this one?  Age?

I don't think either was given in the article.  I'll look around some more in the other online news sources but if they posted anything about this over the weekend I missed it.



http://www.awemainta.com/noticia/

I don't think there was any additional information here, but I'm typing it out and translating it to be sure.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 03, 2011, 10:27:30 PM
It is clear in this article that "Michelangelo" was the attacker.

http://www.awemainta.com/noticia/

5/3/2011 Page 3

Papiamentu translation:

man cu owing to close amistad cu tourist wanted owing to rape the child muher

asistencia of police owing to wordo ask saturday 4:30 of madruga, at one of the highrise hotelnan, where will have one hincamento. hour cu police owing to arrive owing to resulta cu esey not t’e caso.

patrol owing to talk cu the child muher, j. r. naci at using of 19 ana, that is tell police cu past owing to bay cu his amigo at one nightclub at beach y eynan they owing to come across cu one such michelangelo.

they owing to close one amistad y after owing to happen at various casino. hour cu they was at holiday inn, the child muher owing to let his amigo n’e casino together cu the such michelangelo y past owing to march bay hotel at leg.

hour cu the was canando, past owing to see cu michelangelo was follow his slow. michelangelo owing to bise for they take one shortcut, michelangelo owing to coge choca y wanted owing to rap’e. past owing to fight cu michelangelo y owing to core bay his hotel, buscando aid. the caso is in hand of jzp. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 03, 2011, 10:30:18 PM
JZP = Jeugd en Zeden Politie

Dutch Google translation:

Youth and Vice Squad


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on May 03, 2011, 10:34:58 PM
Thanks TM - no last name for Michelangelo?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 03, 2011, 10:43:48 PM
Thanks TM - no last name for Michelangelo?

No, but both initials of the VICTIM!   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: San on May 03, 2011, 11:12:05 PM
::HelloKitty:: ::dogwag::

Good to see you Magnolia.  Is that Hudson  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Good to see you too Anna.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: grace-land on May 04, 2011, 12:22:47 AM
Klaas, if you think we should snip it...please do so.  TIA 

Attempted rape of another young American girl!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.diario.aw/2011/05/mucha-muher-mericano-di-19-ana-cu-denuncia-pa-intento-di-violacion/

Papiamentu translation:

child muher mericano of 19 year cu denuncia for attempt of violacion

publication: tuesday, 3 may 2011.

categoria: general

one such “michelangelo” will worde busca for give cuenta:

oranjestad (aan): saturday marduga polisnan owing to bay atende one caso earnest cu owing to worde reporta. according the informe cu owing to arrive at oido of central of police y owing to stay registra for 4’ or y 30 minuut cu is solicita presencia of police at one high rise hotel is menciona at first instancia probably owing to hinca one person. but at arrival this not was the caso. patrol north cu owing to acudi at the hotel owing to come across cu one child muher mericano of inicialnan j.r. of 19 year of edad.

the child muher mericano owing to count ; police cu past owing to visit one night club at oranjestad y the was together cu one girlfriend y owing to come across cu one boy one such “michelangelo”.

they owing to bay visit various casino hour they was at holiday inn the denunciante j.r owing to dicidi of march bay marriott hotel y past owing to let his girlfriend y the boy michelangelo at the holiday inn. during the was canando direccion for marriott hotel at dado instant the is become his cara y the looking at the boy is march his slow. the boy owing to bise cu the can arrive his hotel more rapido if the take one short cut.

hour cu they did take one caminda more cortico y boy owing to gare for deal of rape, past owing to tapa his mouth for her not bark, but past owing to haye is struggle fight serious for defende his self for so the can owing to succeed core bay. hour past owing to arrive at the hotel provided that cuestion past owing to reporta the sucedido.


the caso earnest reporta y denuncia have pleno atencion of autoridad competente. investigadornan did take all dato, descripcion relaciona cu denuncia earnest here. do not exclui cu casino (nan) cu they owing to visit will can help also cu fotonan capta during they're in one of the casinonan of the boy cual will can facilita the investigadornan relaciona cu the investigacion.

locual is the boy “michelangelo” autoridad will buske for her give cuenta of the denuncia earnest of the sucedido.

In blue ^^^

Are they saying that the video from one of the casino cameras will help in the investigation because it might have him on the video?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 04, 2011, 12:32:31 AM
Klaas, if you think we should snip it...please do so.  TIA 

Attempted rape of another young American girl!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.diario.aw/2011/05/mucha-muher-mericano-di-19-ana-cu-denuncia-pa-intento-di-violacion/

Papiamentu translation:

child muher mericano of 19 year cu denuncia for attempt of violacion

publication: tuesday, 3 may 2011.

categoria: general

one such “michelangelo” will worde busca for give cuenta:

oranjestad (aan): saturday marduga polisnan owing to bay atende one caso earnest cu owing to worde reporta. according the informe cu owing to arrive at oido of central of police y owing to stay registra for 4’ or y 30 minuut cu is solicita presencia of police at one high rise hotel is menciona at first instancia probably owing to hinca one person. but at arrival this not was the caso. patrol north cu owing to acudi at the hotel owing to come across cu one child muher mericano of inicialnan j.r. of 19 year of edad.

the child muher mericano owing to count ; police cu past owing to visit one night club at oranjestad y the was together cu one girlfriend y owing to come across cu one boy one such “michelangelo”.

they owing to bay visit various casino hour they was at holiday inn the denunciante j.r owing to dicidi of march bay marriott hotel y past owing to let his girlfriend y the boy michelangelo at the holiday inn. during the was canando direccion for marriott hotel at dado instant the is become his cara y the looking at the boy is march his slow. the boy owing to bise cu the can arrive his hotel more rapido if the take one short cut.

hour cu they did take one caminda more cortico y boy owing to gare for deal of rape, past owing to tapa his mouth for her not bark, but past owing to haye is struggle fight serious for defende his self for so the can owing to succeed core bay. hour past owing to arrive at the hotel provided that cuestion past owing to reporta the sucedido.


the caso earnest reporta y denuncia have pleno atencion of autoridad competente. investigadornan did take all dato, descripcion relaciona cu denuncia earnest here. do not exclui cu casino (nan) cu they owing to visit will can help also cu fotonan capta during they're in one of the casinonan of the boy cual will can facilita the investigadornan relaciona cu the investigacion.

locual is the boy “michelangelo” autoridad will buske for her give cuenta of the denuncia earnest of the sucedido.

In blue ^^^

Are they saying that the video from one of the casino cameras will help in the investigation because it might have him on the video?

Yes, and I would think that if they went into more than one casino that they ALL should have video of them entering and leaving at the very least.

But we are talking about Aruba...so I guess we'll see.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: grace-land on May 04, 2011, 12:50:59 AM
texasmom

If it was her last night in Aruba, we know the ending to this investigation.  Other young women went back home and went on with their life.  Sad.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 04, 2011, 12:56:02 AM
Remember the Domino case...

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=7167&offId=0&offDate=2011-5

Papiamentu translation:

12 hora happen | fecha: 03/05/2011 | horario: 11:46

police owing to escolta c.e.a. cu was transportando one preso dangerous for hospital

tuesday morning owing to enter informe of cu one preso deteni at k.i.a. was complain of dolor at pecho y the personal of cuerpo especial aruban c.e.a. owing to take away the detenido Rafael Mercado Ochoa for hospital but mirando cu here is deal of one preso cu is being considera one zware jongen (tough guy) y is close for one caso of drugs, the oficialnan owing to solicita escolta of police of the brigade motoriza. they owing to compaña the transport till at hospital.

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/7167/2_1304446802.jpg)


If you don't know his history, here's a couple links...

http://www.justice.gov/dea/major/creole.html

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:d7rWXcBWxz8J:www.bondia.com/index.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26task%3Dview%26id%3D1540+%22Hernando+Rafael+Mercado+Ochoa%22&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&lr=lang_nl%7Clang_de%7Clang_pt%7Clang_es%7Clang_en&source=www.google.com







Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 04, 2011, 01:21:03 AM
texasmom

If it was her last night in Aruba, we know the ending to this investigation.  Other young women went back home and went on with their life.  Sad.

Yes, and it did happen over a holiday weekend...so I doubt very seriously that a lot of effort went into the investigation.

http://www.visitaruba.com/about-aruba/general-aruba-facts/national-holidays/

 ::snipping2::

04/30/2011   Queen's Day

05/01/2011   Labor Day


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 04, 2011, 01:31:17 AM
Wonder why they blurred the drink machine...   ::MonkeyConfused::

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=7167&offId=0&offDate=2011-5

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/7167/8_1304446801.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 04, 2011, 01:32:15 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon.jpg)

and Stephany!
 ::justice2NJ::
 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on May 04, 2011, 10:14:09 AM
Wonder why they blurred the drink machine...   ::MonkeyConfused::

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=7167&offId=0&offDate=2011-5

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/7167/8_1304446801.jpg)

Reflection?   ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::


(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5067/5687292168_acb9516dae_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: San on May 04, 2011, 12:31:22 PM
 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on May 04, 2011, 01:37:25 PM
 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 04, 2011, 02:30:48 PM
Too funny Klaas!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 04, 2011, 02:34:37 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7012:overheid-stelt-werkgroep-veiligheid-in&catid=151:artikel-headline-aruba&Itemid=200

Google translation:

Public Safety Working Group proposes

Wednesday, 04 May 2011 6:09 p.m.

(http://www.amigoe.com/images/stories/04-05-2011/674055.jpg)

ORANGE CITY - The government yesterday set up a working group that engages in security. The purpose of the working group is to eventually advice for a better approach even in crime. The recent unrest there is in fact mainly due to the numerous armed robberies. Employers Atia yesterday sent a letter about this even to the government.

In the group there are several experts on June 14 with concrete plans to come. Roland Tromp, chairman of the safety committee of teachers' union CSEA Simar, sits among others in the workgroup. He is mainly concerned with safety education. Tromp indicates that the security problem comes not only from students but also parents display aggressive behavior towards teachers.

Advocate General (AG) Taco Stein is also part of the working group. Stein shows that the safety problem and not just a crime problem in Aruba, but worldwide, as the problem of rising juvenile crime. This problem is not in a few months to resolve, says Stein, but the group is beginning to tackle. According to Stein should be addressed to a youth from the hands of justice to hold. This requires the group to analyze why young criminal career direction. In addition, there is an inventory of what can be done from here. According to Stein, young people should be convinced to stay in school, to make them this way to keep away from crime. The school is attractive enough and resources to find problems. If a young person still in the crime, it must show it with organizations such as probation, social assistance and cooperation to KIA this person back on track to get the AG found.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 04, 2011, 02:55:28 PM
http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/31134-900-florin-cuchio-y-muts-haya-mesora-despues-di-e-atraco-na-gran-suerte.html

Papiamentu translation:

900 guilder, cuchio y muts achieve at once after of the atraco at great suerte

tuesday, 03 may 2011 21:55

one patrol of police at san nicolas owing to place hand in fraccion of minuut at instant cu one atraco owing to end of take lugar on one office of lottery. this is great suerte at san nicolas. the patrol of police owing to see the movecion odd y owing to go on the atracadornan. owing to succeed detene all two at once. 
::snipping2::
the trip here his number owing to play good play at hand of the polisnan cu not owing to bacila y owing to score poniendo hand on the two atradornan here. still have more for piki y soon will hear more of the another detencionnan cu will go cay.

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2011.mei.mei3.atraco_brasil.P1010099.JPG)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 04, 2011, 06:57:02 PM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=7178&offId=0&offDate=2011-5

Papiamentu translation:

10 hora happen | fecha: 04/05/2011 | horario: 07:36

at several ocacion he here owing to try kill his casa, if the sospechoso here stay pound cu great probabilidad the will asesina his casa

diaranzon morning owing to enter informe of one caso of attempt of asesinato where one man is lastrando one lady at his cabey hibando the lama cu intencion of hoge, at once owing to dirigi one patrol at the sitio. at arrival of the patrol owing to come succeed achieve the pareha east of surfside. informacionnan ricibi is indica cu the victima cual is huur one apartment for of one lady owing to achieve one lift for trabao for of the lady but the casa of the victima was keep the victima arrive for atake already cu they owing to separa for some time already cu the aggressor owing to cay in drugs y owing to become terrible.

  ::snipping2::

is deal here of the aggressor h. cu wanted owing to hoga his casa. this do not first trip cu the maltrato here owing to happen but expertonan is asumi cu if the aggressor here leave pound assure certain the will bay kill the muher.

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/7178/3_1304512802.jpg)

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/7178/10_1304512802.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 04, 2011, 07:11:44 PM
I think this guy has worked for Ronchi.

http://www.komamodels.com/models/ko-boys/rj-turnbull.html

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6448.msg1051646#msg1051646



http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/31144-conocido-modelo-sospecha-di-atraco-arma.html

Papiamentu translation:

conocido model sospecha of atraco arm

wednesday, 04 may 2011 07:55

one rato after of the atraco cu did take luga on the office of number "gran suerte" at brazil, at once autoridadnan owing to place hand on two type sospechoso. they're cuadra cu the discripcion give, owing to achieve they cu rugtas employ in the atraco y after also the armanan envolvi. is deal here of the two hombernan algenis turnbull y the another of surname winklaar. is good for meciona cu turnbull is conoci in world of modelahe, for his participacion activo cu one cas of manner of very renombre on we island.

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/7173/2_1304474704.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on May 04, 2011, 07:15:37 PM
I think this guy has worked for Ronchi.

http://www.komamodels.com/models/ko-boys/rj-turnbull.html

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6448.msg1051646#msg1051646



http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/31144-conocido-modelo-sospecha-di-atraco-arma.html

Papiamentu translation:

conocido model sospecha of atraco arm

wednesday, 04 may 2011 07:55

one rato after of the atraco cu did take luga on the office of number "gran suerte" at brazil, at once autoridadnan owing to place hand on two type sospechoso. they're cuadra cu the discripcion give, owing to achieve they cu rugtas employ in the atraco y after also the armanan envolvi. is deal here of the two hombernan algenis turnbull y the another of surname winklaar. is good for meciona cu turnbull is conoci in world of modelahe, for his participacion activo cu one cas of manner of very renombre on we island.

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/7173/2_1304474704.jpg)



Definitely one of Ronchi's models.  What did he do?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 04, 2011, 07:26:41 PM
I should have posted this link with the picture...

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=7173&offId=10&offDate=2011-5

He is accused in this robbery...

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/31134-900-florin-cuchio-y-muts-haya-mesora-despues-di-e-atraco-na-gran-suerte.html

Papiamentu translation:

900 guilder, cuchio y muts achieve at once after of the atraco at great suerte

tuesday, 03 may 2011 21:55

one patrol of police at san nicolas owing to place hand in fraccion of minuut at instant cu one atraco owing to end of take lugar on one office of lottery. this is great suerte at san nicolas. the patrol of police owing to see the movecion odd y owing to go on the atracadornan. owing to succeed detene all two at once. 
::snipping2::
the trip here his number owing to play good play at hand of the polisnan cu not owing to bacila y owing to score poniendo hand on the two atradornan here. still have more for piki y soon will hear more of the another detencionnan cu will go cay.

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2011.mei.mei3.atraco_brasil.P1010099.JPG)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on May 04, 2011, 07:31:50 PM
So modeling for Ronchi isn't as lucrative as one might think  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 04, 2011, 07:34:16 PM
So modeling for Ronchi isn't as lucrative as one might think  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Guess not!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

There are a lot of comments about his reception in KIA....  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Blue Moon on May 04, 2011, 09:00:49 PM
Wonder why they blurred the drink machine...   ::MonkeyConfused::

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=7167&offId=0&offDate=2011-5

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/7167/8_1304446801.jpg)

Reflection?   ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::


(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5067/5687292168_acb9516dae_b.jpg)

That is FUNNY Klaas.  I like that one.   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on May 04, 2011, 09:04:34 PM
And I did that one while still waking up  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Sleuth on May 04, 2011, 11:18:01 PM
Glad to see that Anna and Magnolia are safe.  Hopefully the others from that area are as well.  Made me think of TTownMike.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on May 04, 2011, 11:37:04 PM
Glad to see that Anna and Magnolia are safe.  Hopefully the others from that area are as well.  Made me think of TTownMike.

Hi Sleuth - great to see you!

If this is the same TTownMike looks like he is OK

http://ttownmike.wordpress.com/author/ttownmike/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on May 05, 2011, 12:42:43 AM
Glad to see that Anna and Magnolia are safe.  Hopefully the others from that area are as well.  Made me think of TTownMike.

Good to see you Sleuth  ::MonkeyCool::  I hope TTownMike's okay too. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 05, 2011, 02:42:49 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon.jpg)

and Stephany!
 ::justice2NJ::
 



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: grace-land on May 05, 2011, 12:09:58 PM
http://www.scienceguide.nl/201105/rector-en-professor-wagenaar-overleden.aspx

Google translation

Rector and Professor Wagenaar deceased

May 4, 2011 - Prof. Dr Willem Albert Wagenaar, the former rector of Leiden University last week at the age of 69 deceased. As a professor of psychology, he became best known for his appearances as an expert witness in the case include Demjanjuk and the Holloway case. Around the latter case, he gave a remarkable interview guide to science.

About Joran van der Sloot confession did back in the undercover car to Patrick van der Eem said Wager Guide to Science: "The statement of the boy he was elicited without the existence of such cautie. So does not. The circumstances under which he has heard, are a subject that a court must have clarity. "

Wagenaar found that aspects such as being under the influence of drugs definitely a role to play in the consideration of a judge. "You would not want that in a case against everything you just said could be used simply to condemn you?"

 ::snipping2::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on May 05, 2011, 03:19:50 PM
Thanks to everyone for your care and concern and prayers.

For once, I am pretty much speechless. 

 ::MonkeyKiss::  :smt056


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on May 05, 2011, 07:26:52 PM
Glad to see that Anna and Magnolia are safe.  Hopefully the others from that area are as well.  Made me think of TTownMike.

Hi Sleuth - great to see you!

If this is the same TTownMike looks like he is OK

http://ttownmike.wordpress.com/author/ttownmike/

Wow! TTownMike! That's a blast from the past, for sure! I do hope he's alright! Sleuth! Great to see you!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 06, 2011, 12:54:14 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/bethandnatalee_01-1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Beth_hollowayfamilygall-550.jpg)

Justice for Natalee! 

 ::justice2NJ::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 06, 2011, 01:13:38 AM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/may/05/judge-oks-trial-against-dr-phil-in-holloway-suit/

Judge Oks trial against Dr. Phil in Holloway suit

BY THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

THURSDAY, MAY 5, 2011 AT 8:35 P.M.

LOS ANGELES — Two brothers who were among the last people to see Natalee Holloway before her disappearance in Aruba can move forward with their defamation lawsuit against talk show host Phil McGraw.

City News Service reports Thursday that a Los Angeles Superior Court judge ruled that brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe can take their lawsuit to trial and set a trial date for Oct. 12.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on May 06, 2011, 01:35:18 AM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/may/05/judge-oks-trial-against-dr-phil-in-holloway-suit/

Judge Oks trial against Dr. Phil in Holloway suit

BY THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

THURSDAY, MAY 5, 2011 AT 8:35 P.M.

LOS ANGELES — Two brothers who were among the last people to see Natalee Holloway before her disappearance in Aruba can move forward with their defamation lawsuit against talk show host Phil McGraw.

City News Service reports Thursday that a Los Angeles Superior Court judge ruled that brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe can take their lawsuit to trial and set a trial date for Oct. 12.
 ::snipping2::


Nothing filed at the court on this. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: wreck on May 06, 2011, 09:33:58 AM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/may/05/judge-oks-trial-against-dr-phil-in-holloway-suit/

Judge Oks trial against Dr. Phil in Holloway suit

BY THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

THURSDAY, MAY 5, 2011 AT 8:35 P.M.

LOS ANGELES — Two brothers who were among the last people to see Natalee Holloway before her disappearance in Aruba can move forward with their defamation lawsuit against talk show host Phil McGraw.

City News Service reports Thursday that a Los Angeles Superior Court judge ruled that brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe can take their lawsuit to trial and set a trial date for Oct. 12.
 ::snipping2::

Once again................... I'm disappointed, but not totally surprised. The judge has not weighed any evidence --- only the "eligibilty" of the Kalpoes to sue. If there is a sliver of a chance that they may have a case -- the judge will let them proceed. The only good news is that this will cost Aruba even MORE money!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Lifesong on May 06, 2011, 09:54:58 AM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/may/05/judge-oks-trial-against-dr-phil-in-holloway-suit/

Judge Oks trial against Dr. Phil in Holloway suit

BY THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

THURSDAY, MAY 5, 2011 AT 8:35 P.M.

LOS ANGELES — Two brothers who were among the last people to see Natalee Holloway before her disappearance in Aruba can move forward with their defamation lawsuit against talk show host Phil McGraw.

City News Service reports Thursday that a Los Angeles Superior Court judge ruled that brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe can take their lawsuit to trial and set a trial date for Oct. 12.
 ::snipping2::


  ::MonkeyCheer4::      ::MonkeyCheer4::      ::MonkeyCheer4::

Going to trial is a good, good thing here, folks.  Let's get the brothers on the stand in the U.S., shall we?  Anybody think they won't at the very least perjure themselves?  Oh yes...and what exactly are they claiming as damages?  (Puh-lease.) 

Maybe Clyde Burke will show up to testify for them, since he obviously still hasn't found the courage in himself to come forward with what he knows.  ::MonkeyEek::

Raise your hand if you think Deepak is even capable of telling the truth.  Ha!  ::justice2NJ::


Tick-Tock Deepak


Peace & Monkey Love to all - and to Mags & Anna - so glad to hear you made it through the storms!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 06, 2011, 11:22:08 AM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/may/05/judge-oks-trial-against-dr-phil-in-holloway-suit/

Judge Oks trial against Dr. Phil in Holloway suit

BY THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

THURSDAY, MAY 5, 2011 AT 8:35 P.M.

LOS ANGELES — Two brothers who were among the last people to see Natalee Holloway before her disappearance in Aruba can move forward with their defamation lawsuit against talk show host Phil McGraw.

City News Service reports Thursday that a Los Angeles Superior Court judge ruled that brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe can take their lawsuit to trial and set a trial date for Oct. 12.
 ::snipping2::

Once again................... I'm disappointed, but not totally surprised. The judge has not weighed any evidence --- only the "eligibilty" of the Kalpoes to sue. If there is a sliver of a chance that they may have a case -- the judge will let them proceed. The only good news is that this will cost Aruba even MORE money!

Wreck

Is this the Summary Judgement?  The implication is that the judge has determined that  Kalpoes have a foundation in regards to their "defamation" lawsuit.  Do I have that right?

Janet

+++++

Surinamese brothers sue Dr. Phil for defamation
Daily News Wire
Article Last Updated: 06/13/2008 08:52:49 AM PDT


LOS ANGELES - Two brothers who filed an $800 million defamation suit against Dr. Phil McGraw and CBS over a broadcast concerning the disappearance of Natalee Holloway are already too tarnished to claim libel, according to attorneys for the defendants.

<snipped>

The "Dr. Phil" segment included statements by Deepak Kalpoe that were "significantly manipulated and altered," the suit alleges.

<snipped>

But in court papers filed Wednesday, attorneys for CBS, McGraw and Kay Skeeters -- widow of Jeremy Skeeters, a private investigator hired by McGraw to interview Deepak Kalpoe -- maintain the brothers are "libel-proof."

They say the brothers' reputations were irreparably stained by prior published accounts of the Holloway case, meaning they cannot claim to have been damaged by the "Dr. Phil" broadcast.

<snipped>

http://origin.dailynews.com/breakingnews/ci_9575645


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 06, 2011, 11:32:51 AM
I am uneasy about how everything is playing out.

Other than the Kay Skeeters' portion of the defamation lawsuit ... the court has ruled against every motion that Phil McGraw's attorneys have filed.

Over a four year period the lawsuit has not been thrown out despite the inability or refusal of the plaintiffs to comply with court requests/deadlines.  Why?

Kay Skeeters?  The court may have determined that there was insufficient evidence to implicate her husband in any wrongdoing encompassing the recording but ... in the end Kay/McGraw was left holding the bag in regards to $127,000 in legal costs.  Why?

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 06, 2011, 01:07:49 PM
Phil McGraw's Attorney - Charles Babcock

Is Dr. Phil Winning or Losing the Natalee Holloway Case Battle?
Mar 16, 2011 – 4:09 PM


<snipped>

Babcock said he expects that the lawsuit against Dr. Phil will ultimately be "thrown out."  He also said he suspects there is more to the suit than meets the eye

"I will tell you what is going on here, which is just crystal clear if you know how lawsuits work: This is being funded by somebody other than these two guys. Dr. Phil called for a boycott of Aruba, and this is being supported by the Aruban tourism industry and maybe some hotels, some casinos, maybe the government itself," Babcock alleged. "But these guys are spending millions of dollars [on] this case, so this isn't two young guys perusing a claim. This is guys with larger backing."

The Aruba Tourism Authority told AOL News that it is "not involved financially or otherwise in this lawsuit."

<snipped>

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/03/16/is-dr-phil-winning-or-losing-the-natalee-holloway-case-battle/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 06, 2011, 01:26:07 PM
HOW COULD I REACH MORE TRAVELLERS?

The Beth Holloway Interview
by Rachel Cohen


What prompted you to write the book “Loving Natalee: A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith”?

The writing of the book actually evolved over a period of time. Shortly after this happened to Natalee, I made a pledge that I would share her story with every high school I could, because I hoped that no other family would have to endure the challenges that we faced during our first few weeks in Aruba. I lived in Aruba for about four months while I was searching for her, and during the fifth month, I thought it was time for me to make good on my pledge as Natalee’s case was now in the hands of John Kelly, attorney at law. I began traveling and, over the course of two years, presented personal safety messages to over 20,000 high school and college students in 22 states. During this time I thought, “How could I reach more travelers?” and I started thinking about writing a book.

<snipped>

http://www.mylifetime.com/movies/natalee-holloway/the-beth-holloway-interview

+++++++

LOVING NATALEE
A MOTHER'S TESTAMENT OF HOPE AND FAITH
By Beth Holloway

ISBN: 9780061452277
ISBN10: 0061452270
Imprint: HarperOne
On Sale: 10/2/2007

Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC
 
Mayday 360
http://www.mayday360.com/default.aspx


 :smt060


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 06, 2011, 01:32:26 PM
Natalee Holloway: 'Justice For Natalee' to Air on Lifetime Movie Channel Premieres Monday, May 9 at 8 pm et/pt

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2011/05/01/natalee-holloway-justice-for-natalee-to-air-on-lifetime-movie-channel-premieres-monday-may-9-at-8-pm-etpt/

Efforts by Beth Holloway continue to get “JUSTICE FOR NATALEE” …

Just when Aruba thought it was safe to go back in the water … the story of missing Alabama teen Natalee Holloway in Aruba and the continued lawless and indicted murderous ways of Joran Van der Sloot is brought to light. You go Beth, do not let anyone forget the travesty of justice that was perpetrated on a family of an Aruba tourist that became a victim and was brushed under the rug of Aruban incompetence, cronyism and corruption.

(http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Natalee_Beth_Holloway_grad.jpg)

Exerpts

Beth Holloway – September, 2010

‘If he thinks I’ve been pestering him for the past five years, he hasn’t seen anything yet.’

‘There is more to come … there is more to come.’


http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 06, 2011, 02:11:07 PM
Natalee Holloway Family Photos

Get an exclusive peek into the lives of the Holloway family before Natalee’s disappearance. Look at family pictures provided by Natalee Holloway's mother, Beth Holloway.

http://www.mylifetime.com/movies/natalee-holloway/natalee-holloway-family-photos#id=1


Natalee Holloway: Photos of the True Story

The Lifetime Movie Network Original movie “Natalee Holloway” told the story of Natalee's mom's enduring love for her daughter at each step of the investigation. The sequel, "Justice for Natalee Holloway," continues the saga of Beth Holloway's search for answers about her daughter's disappearance. For more on the real Natalee Holloway case, view the true story album.

http://www.mylifetime.com/movies/natalee-holloway/natalee-holloway-photos-of-the-true-story#id=1
 



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 06, 2011, 03:02:34 PM
I'M TAKING LEAVE OF THE ISLAND BUT ...

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 189:
    It's the proverbial, Biblical conflict between good and evil.  It's very, very hard to fight evil because it constantly changes form and you never know who your enemies are.  And evil is always two steps ahead. From the outset we never had a chance.  But we didn't know it.  I'm taking leave of the island, but not from the work yet to be done.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: wreck on May 06, 2011, 04:01:01 PM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/may/05/judge-oks-trial-against-dr-phil-in-holloway-suit/

Judge Oks trial against Dr. Phil in Holloway suit

BY THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

THURSDAY, MAY 5, 2011 AT 8:35 P.M.

LOS ANGELES — Two brothers who were among the last people to see Natalee Holloway before her disappearance in Aruba can move forward with their defamation lawsuit against talk show host Phil McGraw.

City News Service reports Thursday that a Los Angeles Superior Court judge ruled that brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe can take their lawsuit to trial and set a trial date for Oct. 12.
 ::snipping2::

Once again................... I'm disappointed, but not totally surprised. The judge has not weighed any evidence --- only the "eligibilty" of the Kalpoes to sue. If there is a sliver of a chance that they may have a case -- the judge will let them proceed. The only good news is that this will cost Aruba even MORE money!

Wreck

Is this the Summary Judgement?  The implication is that the judge has determined that  Kalpoes have a foundation in regards to their "defamation" lawsuit.  Do I have that right?

Janet

+++++

Surinamese brothers sue Dr. Phil for defamation
Daily News Wire
Article Last Updated: 06/13/2008 08:52:49 AM PDT


LOS ANGELES - Two brothers who filed an $800 million defamation suit against Dr. Phil McGraw and CBS over a broadcast concerning the disappearance of Natalee Holloway are already too tarnished to claim libel, according to attorneys for the defendants.

<snipped>

The "Dr. Phil" segment included statements by Deepak Kalpoe that were "significantly manipulated and altered," the suit alleges.

<snipped>

But in court papers filed Wednesday, attorneys for CBS, McGraw and Kay Skeeters -- widow of Jeremy Skeeters, a private investigator hired by McGraw to interview Deepak Kalpoe -- maintain the brothers are "libel-proof."

They say the brothers' reputations were irreparably stained by prior published accounts of the Holloway case, meaning they cannot claim to have been damaged by the "Dr. Phil" broadcast.

<snipped>

http://origin.dailynews.com/breakingnews/ci_9575645

The judge did not make a "Summary Judgement" -- he merely continued the case to trial. A "Summary Judgement" means he has decided for one side or the other -- he has not done so.
No, the judge has not made any determination of the Kalpoe's case "foundation" -- NO evidence has been considered yet (and won't before the trial). Like I have been trying to explain again and again -- the judge is only ruling on the "eligibilty" of the Kalpoe's to bring suit (i.e. are they actual "public figures" or not, etc.). In most cases a judge is going to be hard pressed to throw a case out before a trial with a "Summary Judgement" when a the Plaintiff is so adamantly saying they have a case (whether the judge thinks they do or not). If they don't prevail, they are stuck for damages.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 06, 2011, 04:08:01 PM
The judge did not make a "Summary Judgement" -- he merely continued the case to trial. A "Summary Judgement" means he has decided for one side or the other -- he has not done so.
No, the judge has not made any determination of the Kalpoe's case "foundation" -- NO evidence has been considered yet (and won't before the trial). Like I have been trying to explain again and again -- the judge is only ruling on the "eligibilty" of the Kalpoe's to bring suit (i.e. are they actual "public figures" or not, etc.).  In most cases a judge is going to be hard pressed to throw a case out before a trial with a "Summary Judgement" when a the Plaintiff is so adamantly saying they have a case (whether the judge thinks they do or not). If they don't prevail, they are stuck for damages.

Wreck

This is what I am talking about.  Considering the case is going to trial ... can it be assumed that the Kalpoe's "eligibility" to "bring suit" has been established.  Otherwise ... would the lawsuit not have been thrown out in the Summary Judgement hearing?

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on May 06, 2011, 06:22:13 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/06/dr-phil-natalee-holloway-defamation_n_858689.html

Dr. Phil To Appear In Court For Defamation Lawsuit In Natalee Holloway Case


Posted: 05/ 6/11 04:23 PM ET


A Los Angeles Superior Court judge has finally set a court date in the defamation lawsuit against talk show host Dr. Phil McGraw over his coverage of the Natalee Holloway case.

The suit was filed nearly five years ago by two Surinamese brothers who claim the television psychologist aired a segment on his show that depicted them as "guilty of committing criminal acts against Holloway."

"The judge entered a ruling setting the case for trial for October 12," Dr. Phil's attorney, Charles Babcock, told HuffPost.

Babcock had filed a motion to have the high-profile case thrown out of court, but the judge recently dismissed the request.

"Her reasoning was that there was fact issues precluding throwing the case out right now," Babcock said. "Of course, it's not a decision on the merits, but she's going to let it go forward to trial."

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: wreck on May 06, 2011, 06:37:46 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/06/dr-phil-natalee-holloway-defamation_n_858689.html

Dr. Phil To Appear In Court For Defamation Lawsuit In Natalee Holloway Case


Posted: 05/ 6/11 04:23 PM ET


A Los Angeles Superior Court judge has finally set a court date in the defamation lawsuit against talk show host Dr. Phil McGraw over his coverage of the Natalee Holloway case.

The suit was filed nearly five years ago by two Surinamese brothers who claim the television psychologist aired a segment on his show that depicted them as "guilty of committing criminal acts against Holloway."

"The judge entered a ruling setting the case for trial for October 12," Dr. Phil's attorney, Charles Babcock, told HuffPost.

Babcock had filed a motion to have the high-profile case thrown out of court, but the judge recently dismissed the request.

"Her reasoning was that there was fact issues precluding throwing the case out right now," Babcock said. "Of course, it's not a decision on the merits, but she's going to let it go forward to trial."

 ::snipping2::
EXACTLY  -- the judge's decision has nothing to do with the MERITS. Merely the Kalpoes have "right" to sue.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 06, 2011, 06:40:33 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/06/dr-phil-natalee-holloway-defamation_n_858689.html

Dr. Phil To Appear In Court For Defamation Lawsuit In Natalee Holloway Case


Posted: 05/ 6/11 04:23 PM ET


A Los Angeles Superior Court judge has finally set a court date in the defamation lawsuit against talk show host Dr. Phil McGraw over his coverage of the Natalee Holloway case.

The suit was filed nearly five years ago by two Surinamese brothers who claim the television psychologist aired a segment on his show that depicted them as "guilty of committing criminal acts against Holloway."

"The judge entered a ruling setting the case for trial for October 12," Dr. Phil's attorney, Charles Babcock, told HuffPost.

Babcock had filed a motion to have the high-profile case thrown out of court, but the judge recently dismissed the request.

"Her reasoning was that there was fact issues precluding throwing the case out right now," Babcock said. "Of course, it's not a decision on the merits, but she's going to let it go forward to trial."

 ::snipping2::

Thanks Klaas.

Was the request of McGraw's attorneys to dismiss the case denied by the courts at the recent Summary Judgement hearing?

I hope I am wrong but ... considering that the courts have sided with the Kalpoes' attorneys on every motion that the McGraw's attorneys have put forward for the the past four years ... I have a hinky feeling that this lawsuit is never going to go to trial.

Janet

 ::justice2NJ::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on May 06, 2011, 06:47:17 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/06/dr-phil-natalee-holloway-defamation_n_858689.html

Dr. Phil To Appear In Court For Defamation Lawsuit In Natalee Holloway Case


Posted: 05/ 6/11 04:23 PM ET


A Los Angeles Superior Court judge has finally set a court date in the defamation lawsuit against talk show host Dr. Phil McGraw over his coverage of the Natalee Holloway case.

The suit was filed nearly five years ago by two Surinamese brothers who claim the television psychologist aired a segment on his show that depicted them as "guilty of committing criminal acts against Holloway."

"The judge entered a ruling setting the case for trial for October 12," Dr. Phil's attorney, Charles Babcock, told HuffPost.

Babcock had filed a motion to have the high-profile case thrown out of court, but the judge recently dismissed the request.

"Her reasoning was that there was fact issues precluding throwing the case out right now," Babcock said. "Of course, it's not a decision on the merits, but she's going to let it go forward to trial."

 ::snipping2::

Thanks Klaas.

Was the request of McGraw's attorneys to dismiss the case denied by the courts at the recent Summary Judgement hearing?

I hope I am wrong but ... considering that the courts have sided with the Kalpoes' attorneys on every motion that the McGraw's attorneys have put forward for the the past four years ... I have a hinky feeling that this lawsuit is never going to go to trial.

Janet

 ::justice2NJ::



The lawsuit is going to trial, there will be NO out of court settlements. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 06, 2011, 06:49:21 PM
http://www.stltoday.com/entertainment/television/article_c2590340-fe8a-53fb-885c-41062a00c89d.html

TV talk shows for May 9

Story
Discussion
Posted: Monday, May 9, 2011 12:15 am | No Comments Posted

7 a.m. The Early Show

7 a.m. Today • Beth Holloway; Kristen Wiig and Maya Rudolph; Chelsea Handler; conditions that are misdiagnosed.
 ::snipping2::

::MonkeyDance::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 06, 2011, 06:52:47 PM
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2011/05/tv-this-week8.html

TV This Week for May 8th – 14th

May 6, 2011 | 12:42 pm
 ::snipping2::


MONDAY

The docudrama “Justice for Natalee Holloway” tracks the efforts of the missing teen's mom, Beth, to bring the case of her daughter's disappearance to a conclusion, followed by the new series “Vanished With Beth Holloway.” (Lifetime, 8 and 10 p.m.)
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 06, 2011, 07:17:26 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/06/dr-phil-natalee-holloway-defamation_n_858689.html

Dr. Phil To Appear In Court For Defamation Lawsuit In Natalee Holloway Case


Posted: 05/ 6/11 04:23 PM ET


A Los Angeles Superior Court judge has finally set a court date in the defamation lawsuit against talk show host Dr. Phil McGraw over his coverage of the Natalee Holloway case.

The suit was filed nearly five years ago by two Surinamese brothers who claim the television psychologist aired a segment on his show that depicted them as "guilty of committing criminal acts against Holloway."

"The judge entered a ruling setting the case for trial for October 12," Dr. Phil's attorney, Charles Babcock, told HuffPost.

Babcock had filed a motion to have the high-profile case thrown out of court, but the judge recently dismissed the request.

"Her reasoning was that there was fact issues precluding throwing the case out right now," Babcock said. "Of course, it's not a decision on the merits, but she's going to let it go forward to trial."

 ::snipping2::

Thanks Klaas.

Was the request of McGraw's attorneys to dismiss the case denied by the courts at the recent Summary Judgement hearing?

I hope I am wrong but ... considering that the courts have sided with the Kalpoes' attorneys on every motion that the McGraw's attorneys have put forward for the the past four years ... I have a hinky feeling that this lawsuit is never going to go to trial.

Janet

 ::justice2NJ::



The lawsuit is going to trial, there will be NO out of court settlements. 

Link please.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 06, 2011, 07:36:55 PM
Klaas

Considering I do not think that Aruba will allow Deepak and Satish to be questioned under oath regarding aspects of the Natalee Holloway case ... aspects which would be incriminating to the Kalpoes ... aspects would expose the corrupt investigation which prevented justice from prevailing ... could it be that the financial backers of this lawsuit will drop the lawsuit IF McGraw's attorneys do not attempt to negotiate.

Either way ... I could be wrong but ... I do not think this defamation lawsuit will end up in the courts.

Bottom Line:  The outcome will be what the outcome will be.  I wish we had a crystal ball.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Red on May 06, 2011, 07:40:54 PM
With the case going forward imagine the questions that will be able to be asked by Dr Phil's attys of the Kalpoe's.

In order to prove demaimation they would have had to have their reputations defamed. I wonder just how much lattitude there will be in questioning as to their involvement, changing stories, lying to Aruban LE. Dr Phil's attys will tryi and prove that the Kalpoe's brought all this on themsleves and contributed to their own appearance that the public perceived.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation

Quote
A person who destroys another's reputation may be referred to as a famacide, defamer, or slanderer. The Latin phrase famosus libellus means a libelous writing.

It is going to be hard to prove malicious intent, let alone a reputation being damaged when the Kalpoe's had an already ruined reputation at this point.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 06, 2011, 07:46:53 PM
THE INVOLVMENT OF THE KALPOES

Natalee's Mother: Deeply Involved

NANCY GRACE
Kalpoe Brothers Rearrested
Aired August 26, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET


B. TWITTY: We`ve known from day one Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are way deeply involved in this.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/26/ng.01.html


Judge: Serious Grounds for Suspicion

November 30, 2007 -- Updated 0017 GMT (0817 HKT)
Brothers to be freed in Natalee Holloway case


ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CNN) -- Two of the suspects being held in connection with Natalee Holloway's presumed death will be released from custody by Saturday.

<snipped>

The Kalpoe brothers were previously jailed in the case, but were rearrested last week and charged with being involved in the "voluntary manslaughter" of Holloway.

The judge reasoned Friday that "the new evidence, together with the existing evidence in this case, produce serious grounds for the suspicion of some kind of aiding and abetting, of covering up the traces of a crime committed or of the disposing of a corpse," prosecutors said.

But people accused of those crimes do not qualify for pretrial detention under Aruban law, Mos told reporters.

<snipped>

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/11/30/aruba.holloway/index.html


THE INVOLVEMENT OF THE KALPOES

Proscutor: Murder - Kidnapping - Gang Rape

Brothers arrested again in Aruba case
Two held on suspicion of acting with others in teen's rape, killing
Saturday, August 27, 2005 Posted: 0319 GMT (1119 HKT)


(CNN) -- After being detained and then released last month in Natalee Holloway's disappearance, two brothers were arrested again Friday in Aruba on suspicion they acted "together with other people" in raping and killing the Alabama teen, the prosecutor's office said.

Without elaborating on the evidence, the office said in a statement that "new facts and circumstances" led them to re-arrest Satish Kalpoe, 18 and brother Deepak, 21.

"They are suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately raping somebody," the statement said.

"Aside from these suspicions against the two brothers, there are new suspicions, which at this point the prosecutor is not commenting on."

<snipped>

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/LAW/08/26/aruba.arrests/index.html



THE INVOLVEMENT OF THE KALPOES

Steve Cohen - Consensual?

CARIBBEAN VOICE - January 18, 2006

If current findings are true, Cohen said they are going to accelerate their efforts. Extensive search for forensic evidence continues. Yesterday, 50 members of the Aruban police department searched extensively through the dune by the lighthouse in search for clues. "Anything DNA that is identified to be of Natalee's will allow us to bring a strong case forward against the three boys. We are also getting to finally talk to some of the Alabama teens who left on that plane and did not wait around for interrogation," said Cohen.

Aruba believes it is most important to get a hold of her mental state and most importantly, Natalee's physical state at the time of disappearance.  "Two of the boys said they had consensual sex with her. Whether consensual or not, depends on her ability to be conscious and make a choice," said Cohen .


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 06, 2011, 07:53:38 PM
With the case going forward imagine the questions that will be able to be asked by Dr Phil's attys of the Kalpoe's.

In order to prove demaimation they would have had to have their reputations defamed. I wonder just how much lattitude there will be in questioning as to their involvement, changing stories, lying to Aruban LE. Dr Phil's attys will tryi and prove that the Kalpoe's brought all this on themsleves and contributed to their own appearance that the public perceived.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation

Quote
A person who destroys another's reputation may be referred to as a famacide, defamer, or slanderer. The Latin phrase famosus libellus means a libelous writing.

It is going to be hard to prove malicious intent, let alone a reputation being damaged when the Kalpoe's had an already ruined reputation at this point.

 ::rhino::

I agree.  This is why I had hoped that that the judge would have honored McGraw's attorney request to dismiss the lawsuit during the recent Summary Judgement hearing.  Instead the ruling is that the an October trial is where it is at.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: sandy leiva on May 06, 2011, 08:08:38 PM
Klaas, if you think we should snip it...please do so.  TIA 

Attempted rape of another young American girl!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.diario.aw/2011/05/mucha-muher-mericano-di-19-ana-cu-denuncia-pa-intento-di-violacion/

Papiamentu translation:

child muher mericano of 19 year cu denuncia for attempt of violacion

publication: tuesday, 3 may 2011.

categoria: general

one such “michelangelo” will worde busca for give cuenta:

oranjestad (aan): saturday marduga polisnan owing to bay atende one caso earnest cu owing to worde reporta. according the informe cu owing to arrive at oido of central of police y owing to stay registra for 4’ or y 30 minuut cu is solicita presencia of police at one high rise hotel is menciona at first instancia probably owing to hinca one person. but at arrival this not was the caso. patrol north cu owing to acudi at the hotel owing to come across cu one child muher mericano of inicialnan j.r. of 19 year of edad.

the child muher mericano owing to count ; police cu past owing to visit one night club at oranjestad y the was together cu one girlfriend y owing to come across cu one boy one such “michelangelo”.

they owing to bay visit various casino hour they was at holiday inn the denunciante j.r owing to dicidi of march bay marriott hotel y past owing to let his girlfriend y the boy michelangelo at the holiday inn. during the was canando direccion for marriott hotel at dado instant the is become his cara y the looking at the boy is march his slow. the boy owing to bise cu the can arrive his hotel more rapido if the take one short cut.

hour cu they did take one caminda more cortico y boy owing to gare for deal of rape, past owing to tapa his mouth for her not bark, but past owing to haye is struggle fight serious for defende his self for so the can owing to succeed core bay. hour past owing to arrive at the hotel provided that cuestion past owing to reporta the sucedido.


the caso earnest reporta y denuncia have pleno atencion of autoridad competente. investigadornan did take all dato, descripcion relaciona cu denuncia earnest here. do not exclui cu casino (nan) cu they owing to visit will can help also cu fotonan capta during they're in one of the casinonan of the boy cual will can facilita the investigadornan relaciona cu the investigacion.

locual is the boy “michelangelo” autoridad will buske for her give cuenta of the denuncia earnest of the sucedido.

This is my understanding...

19 year old girl goes out to one of the night clubs with a girlfriend.  They meet this guy Michelangelo.  They all go to a couple of the casinos including the one at the Holiday Inn where the 19 year old decides to call it a night and walk back to her hotel (the Marriott).

This is the part that I'm not real sure about...

(whether it was the Michelangelo that followed her out, or if there was another guy out there waiting for her...maybe tipped off by Michelangelo...jmo) 

She leaves her girlfriend and "Michelangelo" in the casino but as she's walking she notices that he has followed her out and is walking slow?  He suggests a short cut back to her hotel,  that's where he tries to rape her?  I think it also says he taped her mouth shut to keep her from screaming, but that she fought for her life and got away from him.She ran to her hotel and reported the occurancen to the police who r looking for a man with initials of JZP


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 06, 2011, 08:13:48 PM
With the case going forward imagine the questions that will be able to be asked by Dr Phil's attys of the Kalpoe's.

In order to prove demaimation they would have had to have their reputations defamed. I wonder just how much lattitude there will be in questioning as to their involvement, changing stories, lying to Aruban LE. Dr Phil's attys will tryi and prove that the Kalpoe's brought all this on themsleves and contributed to their own appearance that the public perceived.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation

Quote
A person who destroys another's reputation may be referred to as a famacide, defamer, or slanderer. The Latin phrase famosus libellus means a libelous writing.

It is going to be hard to prove malicious intent, let alone a reputation being damaged when the Kalpoe's had an already ruined reputation at this point.

Perhaps any prior criminal history will be brought to light as well... that could be interesting imo.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 06, 2011, 08:20:13 PM
Klaas, if you think we should snip it...please do so.  TIA 

Attempted rape of another young American girl!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.diario.aw/2011/05/mucha-muher-mericano-di-19-ana-cu-denuncia-pa-intento-di-violacion/

Papiamentu translation:

child muher mericano of 19 year cu denuncia for attempt of violacion

publication: tuesday, 3 may 2011.

categoria: general

one such “michelangelo” will worde busca for give cuenta:

oranjestad (aan): saturday marduga polisnan owing to bay atende one caso earnest cu owing to worde reporta. according the informe cu owing to arrive at oido of central of police y owing to stay registra for 4’ or y 30 minuut cu is solicita presencia of police at one high rise hotel is menciona at first instancia probably owing to hinca one person. but at arrival this not was the caso. patrol north cu owing to acudi at the hotel owing to come across cu one child muher mericano of inicialnan j.r. of 19 year of edad.

the child muher mericano owing to count ; police cu past owing to visit one night club at oranjestad y the was together cu one girlfriend y owing to come across cu one boy one such “michelangelo”.

they owing to bay visit various casino hour they was at holiday inn the denunciante j.r owing to dicidi of march bay marriott hotel y past owing to let his girlfriend y the boy michelangelo at the holiday inn. during the was canando direccion for marriott hotel at dado instant the is become his cara y the looking at the boy is march his slow. the boy owing to bise cu the can arrive his hotel more rapido if the take one short cut.

hour cu they did take one caminda more cortico y boy owing to gare for deal of rape, past owing to tapa his mouth for her not bark, but past owing to haye is struggle fight serious for defende his self for so the can owing to succeed core bay. hour past owing to arrive at the hotel provided that cuestion past owing to reporta the sucedido.


the caso earnest reporta y denuncia have pleno atencion of autoridad competente. investigadornan did take all dato, descripcion relaciona cu denuncia earnest here. do not exclui cu casino (nan) cu they owing to visit will can help also cu fotonan capta during they're in one of the casinonan of the boy cual will can facilita the investigadornan relaciona cu the investigacion.

locual is the boy “michelangelo” autoridad will buske for her give cuenta of the denuncia earnest of the sucedido.

This is my understanding...

19 year old girl goes out to one of the night clubs with a girlfriend.  They meet this guy Michelangelo.  They all go to a couple of the casinos including the one at the Holiday Inn where the 19 year old decides to call it a night and walk back to her hotel (the Marriott).

This is the part that I'm not real sure about...

(whether it was the Michelangelo that followed her out, or if there was another guy out there waiting for her...maybe tipped off by Michelangelo...jmo) 

She leaves her girlfriend and "Michelangelo" in the casino but as she's walking she notices that he has followed her out and is walking slow?  He suggests a short cut back to her hotel,  that's where he tries to rape her?  I think it also says he taped her mouth shut to keep her from screaming, but that she fought for her life and got away from him.
She ran to her hotel and reported the occurancen to the police who r looking for a man with initials of JZP


Hi Sandy Leiva!   ::MonkeyCool::

From your understanding "JZP" is not the division that was investigating the incident?  TIA

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9630.msg1334452#msg1334452

Quote
the caso is in hand of jzp.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9630.msg1334454#msg1334454

JZP = Jeugd en Zeden Politie

Dutch Google translation:

Youth and Vice Squad






Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: sandy leiva on May 06, 2011, 08:22:08 PM
Klaas, if you think we should snip it...please do so.  TIA 

Attempted rape of another young American girl!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.diario.aw/2011/05/mucha-muher-mericano-di-19-ana-cu-denuncia-pa-intento-di-violacion/

Papiamentu translation:

child muher mericano of 19 year cu denuncia for attempt of violacion

publication: tuesday, 3 may 2011.

categoria: general

one such “michelangelo” will worde busca for give cuenta:

oranjestad (aan): saturday marduga polisnan owing to bay atende one caso earnest cu owing to worde reporta. according the informe cu owing to arrive at oido of central of police y owing to stay registra for 4’ or y 30 minuut cu is solicita presencia of police at one high rise hotel is menciona at first instancia probably owing to hinca one person. but at arrival this not was the caso. patrol north cu owing to acudi at the hotel owing to come across cu one child muher mericano of inicialnan j.r. of 19 year of edad.

the child muher mericano owing to count ; police cu past owing to visit one night club at oranjestad y the was together cu one girlfriend y owing to come across cu one boy one such “michelangelo”.

they owing to bay visit various casino hour they was at holiday inn the denunciante j.r owing to dicidi of march bay marriott hotel y past owing to let his girlfriend y the boy michelangelo at the holiday inn. during the was canando direccion for marriott hotel at dado instant the is become his cara y the looking at the boy is march his slow. the boy owing to bise cu the can arrive his hotel more rapido if the take one short cut.

hour cu they did take one caminda more cortico y boy owing to gare for deal of rape, past owing to tapa his mouth for her not bark, but past owing to haye is struggle fight serious for defende his self for so the can owing to succeed core bay. hour past owing to arrive at the hotel provided that cuestion past owing to reporta the sucedido.


the caso earnest reporta y denuncia have pleno atencion of autoridad competente. investigadornan did take all dato, descripcion relaciona cu denuncia earnest here. do not exclui cu casino (nan) cu they owing to visit will can help also cu fotonan capta during they're in one of the casinonan of the boy cual will can facilita the investigadornan relaciona cu the investigacion.

locual is the boy “michelangelo” autoridad will buske for her give cuenta of the denuncia earnest of the sucedido.

In blue ^^^

Are they saying that the video from one of the casino cameras will help in the investigation because it might have him on the video?
in this report it says in the last paragraph that
competent authoritys took down info given the discription and they are not excluding  checking photos of people in the casinos which can help facilitate finding who Micheangelo is and if the report made was done in earnest (truthful).

sorry i misquoted in your box. u did a very good transltion. sl


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 06, 2011, 08:28:04 PM
From 2007

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/03/12/aruba-more-attention-on-sexual-abuse-of-handicaps/
 ::snipping2::
There was a case of sexual abuse of a mentally handicapped minor right in that period of time.   Due to her personal interest, she got in contact with Eric Lake, Youth- and Vice Squad inspector in Aruba and later also with chief superintendent of police Peter de Witte.
 ::snipping2::



http://www.kparuba.com/contacts.html
 ::snipping2::

Jeugd en Zeden Politie
Eric Lake
585-2500/585-7358


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Red on May 06, 2011, 08:29:07 PM
Klaas

Considering I do not think that Aruba will allow Deepak and Satish to be questioned under oath regarding aspects of the Natalee Holloway case ... aspects which would be incriminating to the Kalpoes ... aspects would expose the corrupt investigation which prevented justice from prevailing ... could it be that the financial backers of this lawsuit will drop the lawsuit IF McGraw's attorneys do not attempt to negotiate.

Either way ... I could be wrong but ... I do not think this defamation lawsuit will end up in the courts.

Bottom Line:  The outcome will be what the outcome will be.  I wish we had a crystal ball.

Janet

I have always hoped that this would go to trial. More is to be gained.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 06, 2011, 08:32:06 PM
Klaas, if you think we should snip it...please do so.  TIA 

Attempted rape of another young American girl!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.diario.aw/2011/05/mucha-muher-mericano-di-19-ana-cu-denuncia-pa-intento-di-violacion/

Papiamentu translation:

child muher mericano of 19 year cu denuncia for attempt of violacion

publication: tuesday, 3 may 2011.

categoria: general

one such “michelangelo” will worde busca for give cuenta:

oranjestad (aan): saturday marduga polisnan owing to bay atende one caso earnest cu owing to worde reporta. according the informe cu owing to arrive at oido of central of police y owing to stay registra for 4’ or y 30 minuut cu is solicita presencia of police at one high rise hotel is menciona at first instancia probably owing to hinca one person. but at arrival this not was the caso. patrol north cu owing to acudi at the hotel owing to come across cu one child muher mericano of inicialnan j.r. of 19 year of edad.

the child muher mericano owing to count ; police cu past owing to visit one night club at oranjestad y the was together cu one girlfriend y owing to come across cu one boy one such “michelangelo”.

they owing to bay visit various casino hour they was at holiday inn the denunciante j.r owing to dicidi of march bay marriott hotel y past owing to let his girlfriend y the boy michelangelo at the holiday inn. during the was canando direccion for marriott hotel at dado instant the is become his cara y the looking at the boy is march his slow. the boy owing to bise cu the can arrive his hotel more rapido if the take one short cut.

hour cu they did take one caminda more cortico y boy owing to gare for deal of rape, past owing to tapa his mouth for her not bark, but past owing to haye is struggle fight serious for defende his self for so the can owing to succeed core bay. hour past owing to arrive at the hotel provided that cuestion past owing to reporta the sucedido.


the caso earnest reporta y denuncia have pleno atencion of autoridad competente. investigadornan did take all dato, descripcion relaciona cu denuncia earnest here. do not exclui cu casino (nan) cu they owing to visit will can help also cu fotonan capta during they're in one of the casinonan of the boy cual will can facilita the investigadornan relaciona cu the investigacion.

locual is the boy “michelangelo” autoridad will buske for her give cuenta of the denuncia earnest of the sucedido.

In blue ^^^

Are they saying that the video from one of the casino cameras will help in the investigation because it might have him on the video?
in this report it says in the last paragraph that
competent authoritys took down info given the discription and they are not excluding  checking photos of people in the casinos which can help facilitate finding who Micheangelo is and if the report made was done in earnest (truthful).

sorry i misquoted in your box. u did a very good transltion. sl

No worries about the quote stack, it happens to all of us!

Thanks for your help, and for the compliment.   ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on May 06, 2011, 08:33:44 PM
Klaas

Considering I do not think that Aruba will allow Deepak and Satish to be questioned under oath regarding aspects of the Natalee Holloway case ... aspects which would be incriminating to the Kalpoes ... aspects would expose the corrupt investigation which prevented justice from prevailing ... could it be that the financial backers of this lawsuit will drop the lawsuit IF McGraw's attorneys do not attempt to negotiate.

Either way ... I could be wrong but ... I do not think this defamation lawsuit will end up in the courts.

Bottom Line:  The outcome will be what the outcome will be.  I wish we had a crystal ball.

Janet

I have always hoped that this would go to trial. More is to be gained.

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 06, 2011, 08:36:08 PM
Klaas

Considering I do not think that Aruba will allow Deepak and Satish to be questioned under oath regarding aspects of the Natalee Holloway case ... aspects which would be incriminating to the Kalpoes ... aspects would expose the corrupt investigation which prevented justice from prevailing ... could it be that the financial backers of this lawsuit will drop the lawsuit IF McGraw's attorneys do not attempt to negotiate.

Either way ... I could be wrong but ... I do not think this defamation lawsuit will end up in the courts.

Bottom Line:  The outcome will be what the outcome will be.  I wish we had a crystal ball.

Janet

I have always hoped that this would go to trial. More is to be gained.

 ::rhino::
::rhino:: ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on May 06, 2011, 08:48:02 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/06/dr-phil-natalee-holloway-defamation_n_858689.html

Dr. Phil To Appear In Court For Defamation Lawsuit In Natalee Holloway Case


Posted: 05/ 6/11 04:23 PM ET


A Los Angeles Superior Court judge has finally set a court date in the defamation lawsuit against talk show host Dr. Phil McGraw over his coverage of the Natalee Holloway case.

The suit was filed nearly five years ago by two Surinamese brothers who claim the television psychologist aired a segment on his show that depicted them as "guilty of committing criminal acts against Holloway."

"The judge entered a ruling setting the case for trial for October 12," Dr. Phil's attorney, Charles Babcock, told HuffPost.

Babcock had filed a motion to have the high-profile case thrown out of court, but the judge recently dismissed the request.

"Her reasoning was that there was fact issues precluding throwing the case out right now," Babcock said. "Of course, it's not a decision on the merits, but she's going to let it go forward to trial."

 ::snipping2::

Thanks Klaas.

Was the request of McGraw's attorneys to dismiss the case denied by the courts at the recent Summary Judgement hearing?

I hope I am wrong but ... considering that the courts have sided with the Kalpoes' attorneys on every motion that the McGraw's attorneys have put forward for the the past four years ... I have a hinky feeling that this lawsuit is never going to go to trial.

Janet

 ::justice2NJ::



The lawsuit is going to trial, there will be NO out of court settlements. 

Link please.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Dr. Phil told Beth that he will NOT settle



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 06, 2011, 08:50:02 PM
Klaas

Considering I do not think that Aruba will allow Deepak and Satish to be questioned under oath regarding aspects of the Natalee Holloway case ... aspects which would be incriminating to the Kalpoes ... aspects would expose the corrupt investigation which prevented justice from prevailing ... could it be that the financial backers of this lawsuit will drop the lawsuit IF McGraw's attorneys do not attempt to negotiate.

Either way ... I could be wrong but ... I do not think this defamation lawsuit will end up in the courts.

Bottom Line:  The outcome will be what the outcome will be.  I wish we had a crystal ball.

Janet

I have always hoped that this would go to trial. More is to be gained.

I agree.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on May 06, 2011, 08:52:00 PM
Red is correct, more to be gained from the trial.

Quote from: Robin on September 12, 2007, 09:23:02 PM

I wasn't talking about money. Just access to all the statements and documents. There are many that we have not seen.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on May 06, 2011, 08:53:02 PM
HAPPY MOTHERS DAY TO ALL THE MONKEY MOMS


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 06, 2011, 08:55:03 PM

Dr. Phil told Beth that he will NOT settle


RIBBIT!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on May 06, 2011, 08:56:26 PM
Hi Kermit  ::HelloKitty::  It's always great to see you.  ::bee::

Access to statements and documents would be wonderful!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on May 06, 2011, 09:05:14 PM
Hi Kermit  ::HelloKitty::  It's always great to see you.  ::bee::

Access to statements and documents would be wonderful!!

Hi lil bee.

Reading through the court documents and what the Kalpoe attorney's continually attempt, it is my understanding, maybe Kalssend can explain it better, but it looks to me like a lot of stonewalling on their part to not produce any evidence/statements etc. which is what Dr. Phil attorney's keep filing motions to force the Kalpoe attorney's to produce.
That won't fly in a trial with cross examinations etc.

If you are going to sue someone - you darn well have to prove your injury. And Kalpoes can't do that.
Pictures show them out partying.
Legal statements prove they lied.

Things can always change, but hopefully Dr. Phil will continue to stand on the same wall Beth stands on - for TRUTH to prevail and Justice to be served.

Thank you Miss MuffyBee for all you do.
And BIG THANK YOU'S to the generous monkey who pays for the court documents. They are very appreciated.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on May 06, 2011, 09:10:22 PM

Dr. Phil told Beth that he will NOT settle


RIBBIT!!


Don't worry Miss Tamikosmom, from the documents that I have read, Dr. Phils attorney's know exactly what they are doing and caught one of the bozo's lying. That will go over real well in a jury trial. And lawsuits normally take years because courts all about delay because you hope the other guy will give up and go away. I don't believe Dr. Phil nor his attorney's are inclined to go away. Especially after Kalpoe's attorney's saying they will bury Dr. Phil. Just a matter of time - then those Leprechauns will have judgement day in AMERICA. It's a whole different ball game in the American justice system - especially downtown LA!!!!!
 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 06, 2011, 09:15:06 PM

Dr. Phil told Beth that he will NOT settle


RIBBIT!!


Don't worry Miss Tamikosmom, from the documents that I have read, Dr. Phils attorney's know exactly what they are doing and caught one of the bozo's lying. That will go over real well in a jury trial. And lawsuits normally take years because courts all about delay because you hope the other guy will give up and go away. I don't believe Dr. Phil nor his attorney's are inclined to go away. Especially after Kalpoe's attorney's saying they will bury Dr. Phil. Just a matter of time - then those Leprechauns will have judgement day in AMERICA. It's a whole different ball game in the American justice system - especially downtown LA!!!!!
 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel::


 ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 06, 2011, 11:46:18 PM

Dr. Phil told Beth that he will NOT settle


RIBBIT!!


Don't worry Miss Tamikosmom, from the documents that I have read, Dr. Phils attorney's know exactly what they are doing and caught one of the bozo's lying. That will go over real well in a jury trial. And lawsuits normally take years because courts all about delay because you hope the other guy will give up and go away. I don't believe Dr. Phil nor his attorney's are inclined to go away. Especially after Kalpoe's attorney's saying they will bury Dr. Phil. Just a matter of time - then those Leprechauns will have judgement day in AMERICA. It's a whole different ball game in the American justice system - especially downtown LA!!!!!
 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel::




I would hate to face Babcock in court if I were the Leprechauns.
I think Babcock is way cool. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 07, 2011, 12:26:11 AM

Dr. Phil told Beth that he will NOT settle


RIBBIT!!


Don't worry Miss Tamikosmom, from the documents that I have read, Dr. Phils attorney's know exactly what they are doing and caught one of the bozo's lying. That will go over real well in a jury trial. And lawsuits normally take years because courts all about delay because you hope the other guy will give up and go away. I don't believe Dr. Phil nor his attorney's are inclined to go away. Especially after Kalpoe's attorney's saying they will bury Dr. Phil. Just a matter of time - then those Leprechauns will have judgement day in AMERICA. It's a whole different ball game in the American justice system - especially downtown LA!!!!!
 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel::




I would hate to face Babcock in court if I were the Leprechauns.
I think Babcock is way cool. ::MonkeyCool::

Deepak better pack the Depends.   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 07, 2011, 12:58:40 AM
http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/31283-verboden-pa-stroba-mi-sono.html

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1...images.stories.news.2011.mei.mei06.verboden.JPG)

Don't worry...he's just asleep.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 07, 2011, 01:09:38 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/HopeforNatalee_BoycottAruba.jpg)
 

http://www.wthitv.com/dpp/news/local/mother-continues-search-for-daughter

Mother continues search for daughter

Updated: Tuesday, 12 Apr 2011, 11:53 PM EDT
Published : Tuesday, 12 Apr 2011, 9:56 PM EDT

News Staff

Terre Haute, Ind. (WTHI) - She's a mother on a mission who claims she'll never stop searching for her daughter.

That's Beth Holloway.

She is the mother of Natalee Holloway, a girl from Alabama who went missing in Aruba back in 2005.

Beth spoke Tuesday at Saint Mary of the Woods College, and she had a strong message.

She claims that, six years later, she refuses to give up the search for her daughter.
 
::MonkeyAngel::

 



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on May 07, 2011, 01:25:03 AM
I need that photo of Deepak and Satish in their home where they are both standing their like a couple of half witts.  Deepak is wearing that bright yellow shirt.  I cannot for the life of me find it and I want play with it  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 07, 2011, 01:50:42 AM
I haven't found it yet klaas...but I'd forgotten about this one.

http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=299

Dj Tiesto "Kaleidoscope World Tour 2009" Part 2

Deepak Kalpoe Kawish Misier

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2014%20122009/12262009DeepakKalpoe_KawishMisierDJ.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 07, 2011, 01:55:49 AM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6448.msg1043706#msg1043706

This is where I'd originally posted that picture on December 27, 2009.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 07, 2011, 02:27:39 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon.jpg)

and Stephany!
 ::justice2NJ::
 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on May 07, 2011, 10:40:51 AM
FYI - I just received another what looks like a VIRUS email from Kathy Drenga's email address.  I'm 100% certain Kath wouldn't do this intentionally.  I have sent her a message on her facebook to let her know along with a list of people the email went to.

Just posting this warning in the event any of you have received this email from Kathy Drenga that only has a link.  DO NOT CLICK ON THE LINK.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 07, 2011, 01:10:13 PM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=7221&offId=0&offDate=2011-5

6 hora happen | fecha: 07/05/2011 | horario: 06:06

at seroe janchi police attentive owing to come across car steal completamente at candela come across

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/7221/2_1304784603.jpg)

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/7221/8_1304784602.jpg)
::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: San on May 07, 2011, 05:43:25 PM
FYI - I just received another what looks like a VIRUS email from Kathy Drenga's email address.  I'm 100% certain Kath wouldn't do this intentionally.  I have sent her a message on her facebook to let her know along with a list of people the email went to.

Just posting this warning in the event any of you have received this email from Kathy Drenga that only has a link.  DO NOT CLICK ON THE LINK.


I bet this virus came from her Facebook itself.  My friend receive an email from her boss and it was from her Facebook.  She had to email her boss at home and let her know that her account was sending viruses out to all her Facebook contacts.  If that make sense what I just said  ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Sleuth on May 07, 2011, 07:08:48 PM
Happy Mothers Day to all the Monkey Moms.  Nice pics, Klaasend and San!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: SuzieQ on May 07, 2011, 10:05:38 PM
Got a google alert on this. The only thing good about it is 1. it has a great picture of Beth and 2. his email address is at the bottom of the article.

http://www.philly.com/philly/columnists/jonathan_storm/121430573.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 08, 2011, 12:55:21 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon.jpg)

and Stephany!
 ::justice2NJ::
 



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: San on May 08, 2011, 09:10:48 AM
HAPPY MOTHERS DAY TO ALL THE SCARED MONKEYS MOMS.

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/Mothersday_cake_clr.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2011, 10:19:21 AM
OCTOBER 2011

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2704/5699692740_9c155f6f94_o.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: San on May 08, 2011, 10:25:35 AM
 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 08, 2011, 11:17:44 AM
 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2011, 11:17:53 AM
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2694/5699880632_03c8c31530_o.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2011, 12:11:58 PM
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2126/5700048260_3d89d638e7_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 08, 2011, 12:43:31 PM
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2126/5700048260_3d89d638e7_b.jpg)
::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 08, 2011, 12:44:29 PM
 ::MonkeyRoll::

http://amigoe.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7078:rapper-50-cent-op-filmfestival-aruba&catid=151:artikel-headline-aruba&Itemid=200

Google translation:

Rapper 50 Cent film festival on Aruba

(http://amigoe.com/images/stories/05-05-2011/674680.jpg)

Last Updated on Friday, 06 May 2011 3:50 p.m.
Thursday, 05 May 2011 6:41 p.m.

ORANGE CITY - Curtis Jackson, better known by his stage name 50 Cent comes to Aruba. On June 14 the rapper appears on the red carpet as his latest movie "Things Fall Apart" has a Caribbean premiere in the second edition of the Aruba International Film Festival (AIFF).

The film was earlier this year and plays Jackson stars as an American football player who gets cancer.

It took longer for the organization this year than last year when the festival debuted to a celebrity to be announced. Last year was almost immediately known that the American actor Richard Gere star of the festival would be. This had mainly to the fact that Gere is a friend of the Italian creative director of the festival, Claudio Masenza. The presence of celebrities is important, especially also for attracting foreign journalists who are willing to publish. Rapper 50 Cent is not a traditional "Hollywood" star and not everyone is impressed by his acting, having also comments on his latest movie. Nevertheless, the artist will draw a lot of publicity and hence for the festival and Aruba. Things Fall Apart "is in at least programmed on Tuesday, June 14 at eight o'clock at night, and Jackson will also secure its presence. It is not like last year with Gere, the opening of the festival. AIFF It is already starting June 10 at Paseo Herencia and lasts until June 16.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 08, 2011, 01:24:16 PM
Remember the guy that shot his wife at least three times including in the face (in front of their son), and then tried to hang himself in KIA.  Well now he's claiming he doesn't remember shooting her...

::MonkeyNoNo::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/ChurchLady_Convenient.jpg)

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/31301-blauw-no-ta-corda-nada-di-su-crimen.html

Papiamentu translation:

blauw do not corda nothing of his crimen

saturday, 07 may 2011 20:03

nothing at all is thing juan junior quant is corda of the day cu past owing to throw on his casa cu intencion for mate. this is the first expresion cu blauw owing to haci after cu past owing to stay deteni y owing to leave for of hospital. 
::snipping2::
the advocate owing to splica blauw what have in the dossier cu past owing to achieve for of autoridad in the caso cu have contra dje. the sospechoso self owing to stay asombra. seems cu the do not corda what owing to sosode on the saturday ey. the was on the palm island y neither sikiera esey the is corda. do not conoci if the efecto of the attempt of horcamento y baimento in coma can owing to conduci at perdemento of memory in the caso here. although the sospechoso owing to being take away kia in rolstoel now already end the is canando. seems cu now if autoridad owing to talk cune although his advocate owing to bise end what have on paper in his contra. close the team investigativo also blauw owing to declara cu the do not corda what owing to sosode. the is corda if that is his advocate. past owing to tell police that is his aboga in the investigacion. kizas the have one perdida of memory selectivo.

comentarionan (10) mustra/kita comentarionan come across...

scirbi for juri, may 07, 2011
ja ja... y we all have cu kerebo! pfff... +28 come across...

scirbi for anti-blauw, may 07, 2011
sere! the know very good what owing to happen. awo ela "lubida" for scapa his curpa. you have make bad! pay pe awo! go look at where mother of you child is y con ela stay! esta one berguensa big. march rond is blof y look at where are you stop awo. sere!!! +26 come across...

scirbi for kwiri, may 07, 2011 ay is pika the do not remember come across! +12 come across...

scirbi for juan janga, may 07, 2011
let scientiviconan come labora of the caso here, is deal of one syndrome new. blaw syndrome ;-))))) +16 come across...

scirbi for vision 2911, may 07, 2011
my also is of opinion cu the caballero here have one memory much selectivo self. if follow his desaroyo fisíco i am presumi cu the will owing to prefer of stay remain in coma for always y for none instansia interogé y tampoko for have to is in kia for his acto. ela stay casi 24 hour detení y the have to owing to realisa what ela make y cu the will go enfrenta hustisia. ela prefera of escoge suisidio enbes of responsabilisá pe acto cometi. the do not of acuerdo cu owing to succeed salbe of attempt of suicidio. the advocate is demostrando hpi serenidad in the caso here. as wait for cu hustisia will demostra cu none person have derecho of intenta at less life of neither a niether his own life. +22 come across...

scirbi for save your nonsense, may 07, 2011
before the polisnan enterogatorio can owing to talk cu ne hour cu ela come at tino already his advocate owing to talk cu ne end y owing to dune verdere instruction.esei is one duidelijk zaak.awor of what time etabata foi tino first cu the la comete the crimmen or after? tbs or niet toerekering vaatbaar the can find.mi opinion is cu the is try of find niet toerekening vaatbaar.den caso they so is good for mande pieterbaan center at hullanda einan if have all clase of aid pe.no have one centrum so at aruba.no have one psyciater.ta only psycoloog.einan the advocate can scoor.e mihor cos cu can haci cu ne according opini peil is dune maximo castigo conform his poging tot moord on one lady.ta berguensa if the leave pound y laugh we systema juridico.si the do not corda nothing the can ripiti the cos here afresh save we aruba y i am confia we systema juridico.cu the do not corda nothing save that nonsense.... +6 come across...

scirbi for spotty, may 07, 2011
mande east caminda the have to is come across, pace is much cu owing to go coma do not corda nothing is hour cu juez strike they castigo they're corda and cumisa jora +12 come across...

scirbi for realidad, may 08, 2011
do not important for blauw corda now what owing to happen or not y neither the advocate not have to of corde niether. the important is for her hanja one balente castigo for his acto, because the proof of more big cu the is c*lpable is at colombia actualmente, that is his senjora. +13 come across...

scirbi for big force, may 08, 2011
wel blauw do you day owing to jega because though cu do you do not corda nothing more. yet have witness contra do you cu if not owing to forget what you have make cu they yui muher. also have the father of the child muher cu owing to see do you tiro his yui muhe y more person also. they're go using they contra do you y so do you not will leave pound stop of play game suschi. y go pay for thing cu you have make in kia okeee! +15 come across...

scirbi for hmmmm, may 08, 2011
make meskos kune look at if the can come bij.... come across


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 08, 2011, 01:33:45 PM
http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/31309-atraco-arma-na-subway-paradera.html

Papiamentu translation:

atraco arm at subway paradera

sunday, 08 may 2011 00:09

saturday night in careda of 11:45pm owing to sosode one atraco cu arm of candela at the parkeerplaats of subway paradera. three young owing to atraca one employee of one compania of delivery hour the was bandona the business of sandwich cu the coin of throw of day. one of the hobennan owing to place arm of candela at cabes of the employee y one another owing to pour one liquido acido or pepperspray at his cara. the employee in his dolor owing to cay at floor y at the instant ey the malechornan owing to probecha y bay cu the coin. the arm using was uno type or similar at one glock cu cuerpo policial is haci usage of dje. the suma of coin cu owing to wordo steal do not conoci still. the hobennan owing to bandona the sitio in one car old type sedan, color blauw cu one rear spoiler. none of the hobennan was have cara tapa y camara of seguridad owing to succeed graba all the movecion. 

::snipping2::

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Mustra/Kita comentarionan

scirbi for la profesora, may 08, 2011
one crazy atraco island. where we is bay????!!!! minister of husticia arise! cuminsa cambia/drecha leynan. cuminsa give police arm more mihor for work. place more police on caya. this is the consecuencia of hour did take the medida for less permission for carga arm of comerciantenan for they defende they self. the not have to become one wild wild west, but i is achieve cu cada comerciante have to have one permission for carga arm for defende they property y they self. +20 come across...

scirbi for v.tromp, may 08, 2011
one conseho for her comerciante they not let one person only transporta coin of throw of day. and as see for captura the person they here cu danja aruba his name and one good castigo is at his lugar. +15 come across...

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 09, 2011, 12:23:09 AM
Anyone heard anything else about this?

http://www.amazon.com/Portrait-Monster-Natalee-Holloway-Mystery/dp/0312359217

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51UOv4B%2BPZL._SS500_.jpg)

Portrait of a Monster: Joran van der Sloot, a Murder in Peru, and the Natalee Holloway Mystery [Hardcover]
Lisa Pulitzer (Author), Cole Thompson (Author)

This title will be released on July 5, 2011.

::snipping2::

Exclusive Details from Portrait of a Monster include:

• Interviews with members of the families of Joran, Stephany and Natalee.

• Internal communications between Interpol, the FBI, Aruban officials and officials in Chile and Peru.

• Never before seen police files from Chile, Peru and Aruba.

• Behind the scene details of the police interviews with Joran at police headquarters in Peru as described by those who were in the room.

• Exclusive police document entitled “The 21 Reasons why police think Joran is guilty” of the murder of Stephany Flores.

• Transcripts from police interviews in Aruba with Joran, and Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, including the secretly recorded audiotape of the three alone in an interrogation room of the Aruban Police Department.

• Joran’s troubles in Thailand, including a possible connection to human sex trafficking.

• Never before seen photos of the crime scene in Peru, Stephany’s car, police mug shots, fingerprint files, hotel records and more.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2011, 12:58:35 AM
http://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/industry-news/publisher-news/article/43506-smp-bumps-up-van-der-sloot-book.html

SMP Bumps Up van der Sloot Book
by Rachel Deahl
Jun 14, 2010
         | Reader Comments 0

Lisa Pulitzer's long-incubating book on the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, which St. Martin's Press signed five years ago, has just been put on an accelerated schedule. With the prime suspect in Holloway's case, Joran van der Sloot, back in the headlines for his involvement in the death of another woman, Pulitzer, a New York Times correspondent, is expected to deliver the book in 2011 after not having a hard delivery date.

Pulitzer, who's co-writing the book with Cole Thompson (A Deadly Game: The Untold Story of the Scott Peterson Investigation), has been researching the Holloway case for years. She's currently headed to Peru to look into the death of Stephany Flores, the woman van der Sloot recently admitted killing. SMP is saying Pulitzer's book "promises to be the definitive work on the two cases." The publisher is also promising that that the book will reveal a wealth of new information about van der Sloot, a figure who's captivated both the traditional and tabloid media.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 09, 2011, 01:26:31 AM
Klaas,

I just noticed that the "attachment" option has gone poof, is it just a glitch on my end or was it removed?

TIA


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 09, 2011, 01:28:00 AM
http://www.filedby.com/author/lisa_pulitzer/1463441/

(Picture at the link)

Lisa Pulitzer

Author Biography

Lisa Pulitzer is a former correspondent for The New York Times, and the author of more than a dozen non-fiction books in the areas of True Crime and Current Events. She has ghostwritten four hardcover books for major broadcast journalists, among them a Number One New York Times bestseller about the Scott Peterson case.
::snipping2::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 09, 2011, 01:39:44 AM
Cole Thompson

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/cole-thompson/6/622/b83

http://myinwood.net/about/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 09, 2011, 01:47:06 AM
In just a few more hours!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::

Natalee Holloway: 'Justice For Natalee' to Air on Lifetime Movie Channel Premieres Monday, May 9 at 8 pm et/pt

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2011/05/01/natalee-holloway-justice-for-natalee-to-air-on-lifetime-movie-channel-premieres-monday-may-9-at-8-pm-etpt/

Efforts by Beth Holloway continue to get “JUSTICE FOR NATALEE” …

Just when Aruba thought it was safe to go back in the water … the story of missing Alabama teen Natalee Holloway in Aruba and the continued lawless and indicted murderous ways of Joran Van der Sloot is brought to light. You go Beth, do not let anyone forget the travesty of justice that was perpetrated on a family of an Aruba tourist that became a victim and was brushed under the rug of Aruban incompetence, cronyism and corruption.

(http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Natalee_Beth_Holloway_grad.jpg)

http://www.mylifetime.com/movies/justice-for-natalee-holloway/video/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/JusticeforNataleeHolloway_May92011-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 09, 2011, 01:48:23 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon.jpg)

and Stephany!
 ::justice2NJ::
 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 09, 2011, 01:49:17 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon.jpg)

and Stephany!
 ::justice2NJ::
 

::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 09, 2011, 01:59:35 AM
In just a few more hours!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::

Natalee Holloway: 'Justice For Natalee' to Air on Lifetime Movie Channel Premieres Monday, May 9 at 8 pm et/pt

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2011/05/01/natalee-holloway-justice-for-natalee-to-air-on-lifetime-movie-channel-premieres-monday-may-9-at-8-pm-etpt/

Efforts by Beth Holloway continue to get “JUSTICE FOR NATALEE” …

Just when Aruba thought it was safe to go back in the water … the story of missing Alabama teen Natalee Holloway in Aruba and the continued lawless and indicted murderous ways of Joran Van der Sloot is brought to light. You go Beth, do not let anyone forget the travesty of justice that was perpetrated on a family of an Aruba tourist that became a victim and was brushed under the rug of Aruban incompetence, cronyism and corruption.

(http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Natalee_Beth_Holloway_grad.jpg)

http://www.mylifetime.com/movies/justice-for-natalee-holloway/video/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/JusticeforNataleeHolloway_May92011-1.jpg)

http://www.tvguide.com/tvshows/justice-natalee-holloway/325491

Justice for Natalee Holloway: TV Listings
Click here for your local listings

Next episode:  Justice for Natalee Holloway New  Mon, May 9 8:00 PM
LIFE
A docudrama chronicling the ongoing search for the truth behind the 2005 disappearance of Natalee Holloway in Aruba. Natalee's mother, Beth (Tracy Pollan), is continually harassed by the suspected killer, who is also accused of murdering a woman in Peru in 2010.
full episode description

Channel   Date & Time   Episode

LIFE    Mon, May 9
8:00 PM   Justice for Natalee Holloway New
A docudrama chronicling the ongoing search for the truth behind the 2005 disappearance of Natalee... more

LIFE    Sat, May 14
9:00 PM   Justice for Natalee Holloway
A docudrama chronicling the ongoing search for the truth behind the 2005 disappearance of Natalee... more

LIFE    Sat, May 14
11:00 PM   Justice for Natalee Holloway
A docudrama chronicling the ongoing search for the truth behind the 2005 disappearance of Natalee...


 ::MonkeyDance::

Be sure to check your local listings...the movie starts at 7pm here. ::MonkeyCool::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on May 09, 2011, 06:38:29 AM
Klaas,

I just noticed that the "attachment" option has gone poof, is it just a glitch on my end or was it removed?

TIA

Good morning texasmom.    :sunny:  Of course, I'm not Klaas, but I can answer your question.    ::MonkeyWink::  Klaas has turned off the "attachment" option until after the trial of Casey Anthony.  You can still post photos using something like photobucket.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: sylvia on May 09, 2011, 10:34:12 AM
This was on The Today Show this morning.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/42955000#42955000

I'm sorry she went through another Mother's Day without having answers about Natalee.
But she once again shows her grace and strength. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 09, 2011, 02:32:02 PM
Klaas,

I just noticed that the "attachment" option has gone poof, is it just a glitch on my end or was it removed?

TIA

Good morning texasmom.    :sunny:  Of course, I'm not Klaas, but I can answer your question.    ::MonkeyWink::  Klaas has turned off the "attachment" option until after the trial of Casey Anthony.  You can still post photos using something like photobucket.

Thanks MuffyBee!   ::bee:: ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 09, 2011, 02:47:43 PM
This was on The Today Show this morning.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/42955000#42955000

I'm sorry she went through another Mother's Day without having answers about Natalee.
But she once again shows her grace and strength. 

Thanks sylvia!   ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 09, 2011, 08:00:41 PM
Two minutes!   ::MonkeyDance::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: pinkbanana on May 09, 2011, 08:38:46 PM
Who is watching Justice for Natalee Holloway?

Still STANDING with the girl

pb


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on May 09, 2011, 09:03:35 PM
Who is watching Justice for Natalee Holloway?

Still STANDING with the girl

pb

Hi PB!! Great to see you!   ::bananadance:: ::bananadance::

Yep.  "Still STANDING with the girl" 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: grace-land on May 09, 2011, 09:19:27 PM
Who is watching Justice for Natalee Holloway?

Still STANDING with the girl

pb

Hi PB!! Great to see you!   ::bananadance:: ::bananadance::

Yep.  "Still STANDING with the girl" 

Me, too!  ::MonkeyGavel::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Blue Moon on May 09, 2011, 10:55:11 PM
I think I am watching Beth in Vanished without a trace?  Not sure but it is on Lifetime.  They just finished up with Natalee and now they are onto another vanished family believed to be in Mexico.
 ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 10, 2011, 12:04:08 AM
I'm here standing with the girl, for as long as it takes.

I'm still trying to absorb it all.

About the movie...I'm not sure where to start really.  One thing is for sure, the actress that portrayed Anita was NOTHING like Anita imo. 

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1305056/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on May 10, 2011, 12:19:59 AM
This was on The Today Show this morning.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/42955000#42955000

I'm sorry she went through another Mother's Day without having answers about Natalee.
But she once again shows her grace and strength. 

Thanks sylvia!   ::MonkeyCool::



Yes, Thanks, Sylvia! Beth remains full of grace and a pillar of strength. I know Natalee would be proud of her!

I stand with the girl and all those here who have made the same commitment! I'm in very good company!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 10, 2011, 12:22:09 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7220:vervolgfilm-natalee-in-premiere&catid=151:artikel-headline-aruba&Itemid=200

Google translation:

Continued Natalee Film premiere

Monday, 09 May 2011 5:30 p.m.

ORANGE CITY - "Justice for Natalee Holloway, the sequel to the television Natalee Holloway in 2009, will premiere tonight at eight hours on U.S. network Lifetime. The film builds on the disappearance of Natalee in Aruba in 2005.

The new story follows the main suspect Joran van der Sloot, who last year was arrested in Peru on suspicion of murder Stephany Flores. He is still in prison pending his trial. Joran Flores would have killed them on his laptop because "things had seen Natalee Holloway on. His attempt to blackmail the Holloway family will be discussed during the movie. Immediately after the broadcast of this film is also the premiere of the reality show "Vanished" with Beth Holloway, the mother of Natalee disappeared. This show is about real-life disappearances, which like the Natalee case, never solved.

Dr. Phil
Even talk show host Phil McGraw, better known as a TV psychologist Dr. Phil is back in the news in connection with the Holloway case. He has to October 12 this year to appear in court to account for rulings in his show about the Kalpoe brothers in 2005. He suggested then that the two were jointly responsible for the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The Kalpoe brothers are just like Joran arrested several times in this case but never charged. They and their friend Joran were the last people seen with Natalee before she disappeared. In 2006 the brothers had already filed suit against McGraw. She reportedly demands a compensation of 800 million U.S. dollars.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 10, 2011, 01:24:40 AM
Yep, they're desperate.   ::MonkeyRoll::

http://www.amigoe.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7202:aruba-in-hollywood-documentaire&catid=117:artikelen-entertainment&Itemid=218

Google translation:

Aruba Hollywood documentary

(http://www.amigoe.com/images/stories/09-05-2011/676463.jpg)

Last Updated on Monday, May 09, 2011 2:48 p.m.
Monday, May 09, 2011 2:45 p.m.

ORANGE CITY - The Greatest Movie Ever Sold, a documentary about American brand management, advertising and product placement, has recently premiered in Los Angeles. Aruba was among them, represented by Jan Allen, salesperson Aruba Tourism Authority (ATA). Part of the film is in fact recorded on the beach for the Hyatt Aruba Hotel.

The premiere was sponsored among others by ATA, which allows the new image and logo to promote Aruba. ATA also wants to highlight the participation of Aruba in this documentary. Allen spoke for the premiere, during a press conference, with some American journalists on the role of Aruba in the film. In addition, they handed out promotional materials. In addition, the Aruba logo prominently on the poster. Some Aruban people who appear in this film include Fritz Israel as marketing director ATA AHATA director Jim Hepple and former manager Aruba Hyatt Suzy Santiago. Purpose of the sponsorship is to promote Aruba as top destination in the Caribbean.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 10, 2011, 02:02:55 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on May 10, 2011, 06:44:10 AM
Natalee's Candles:

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=NAH

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Nat%27s


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Sharon/Tx on May 10, 2011, 07:29:46 AM
I'm here standing with the girl, for as long as it takes.

I'm still trying to absorb it all.

About the movie...I'm not sure where to start really.  One thing is for sure, the actress that portrayed Anita was NOTHING like Anita imo. 

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1305056/

  Hi Texasmom and Monkeys!  I watched it and I agree, the actress that played Anita was (too pretty) nothing like her.  I admire Beth so much.  It hurts to watch her pain.  My prayers are with her and Dr. Phil.  Thank you for the incredible job you do here Monkeys.  I still babysit 4 grandbabies, 4, 2, 1, and 6 mo. so I appreciate being able to come here and get caught up... when I get a break!  Great big hugs to you all!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: MsVada on May 10, 2011, 10:48:26 AM
I'm here standing with the girl, for as long as it takes.

I'm still trying to absorb it all.

About the movie...I'm not sure where to start really.  One thing is for sure, the actress that portrayed Anita was NOTHING like Anita imo. 

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1305056/

  Hi Texasmom and Monkeys!  I watched it and I agree, the actress that played Anita was (too pretty) nothing like her.  I admire Beth so much.  It hurts to watch her pain.  My prayers are with her and Dr. Phil.  Thank you for the incredible job you do here Monkeys.  I still babysit 4 grandbabies, 4, 2, 1, and 6 mo. so I appreciate being able to come here and get caught up... when I get a break!  Great big hugs to you all!


agreed,  she was too pretty to be Anita.  I dvr'd it so I can watch it again too.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on May 10, 2011, 01:52:19 PM
Yep, they're desperate.   ::MonkeyRoll::

http://www.amigoe.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7202:aruba-in-hollywood-documentaire&catid=117:artikelen-entertainment&Itemid=218

Google translation:

Aruba Hollywood documentary

(http://www.amigoe.com/images/stories/09-05-2011/676463.jpg)

Last Updated on Monday, May 09, 2011 2:48 p.m.
Monday, May 09, 2011 2:45 p.m.

ORANGE CITY - The Greatest Movie Ever Sold, a documentary about American brand management, advertising and product placement, has recently premiered in Los Angeles. Aruba was among them, represented by Jan Allen, salesperson Aruba Tourism Authority (ATA). Part of the film is in fact recorded on the beach for the Hyatt Aruba Hotel.

The premiere was sponsored among others by ATA, which allows the new image and logo to promote Aruba. ATA also wants to highlight the participation of Aruba in this documentary. Allen spoke for the premiere, during a press conference, with some American journalists on the role of Aruba in the film. In addition, they handed out promotional materials. In addition, the Aruba logo prominently on the poster. Some Aruban people who appear in this film include Fritz Israel as marketing director ATA AHATA director Jim Hepple and former manager Aruba Hyatt Suzy Santiago. Purpose of the sponsorship is to promote Aruba as top destination in the Caribbean.
 ::snipping2::



THE REAL ARUBA - COVER UP FOR MURDERERS
(http://media.nowpublic.net/images//41/a/41a003d9eac61b7a78bdc1e3c944febe.jpg)
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7221.60




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 10, 2011, 02:52:16 PM
Yep, they're desperate.   ::MonkeyRoll::

http://www.amigoe.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7202:aruba-in-hollywood-documentaire&catid=117:artikelen-entertainment&Itemid=218

Google translation:

Aruba Hollywood documentary

(http://www.amigoe.com/images/stories/09-05-2011/676463.jpg)

Last Updated on Monday, May 09, 2011 2:48 p.m.
Monday, May 09, 2011 2:45 p.m.

ORANGE CITY - The Greatest Movie Ever Sold, a documentary about American brand management, advertising and product placement, has recently premiered in Los Angeles. Aruba was among them, represented by Jan Allen, salesperson Aruba Tourism Authority (ATA). Part of the film is in fact recorded on the beach for the Hyatt Aruba Hotel.

The premiere was sponsored among others by ATA, which allows the new image and logo to promote Aruba. ATA also wants to highlight the participation of Aruba in this documentary. Allen spoke for the premiere, during a press conference, with some American journalists on the role of Aruba in the film. In addition, they handed out promotional materials. In addition, the Aruba logo prominently on the poster. Some Aruban people who appear in this film include Fritz Israel as marketing director ATA AHATA director Jim Hepple and former manager Aruba Hyatt Suzy Santiago. Purpose of the sponsorship is to promote Aruba as top destination in the Caribbean.
 ::snipping2::



THE REAL ARUBA - COVER UP FOR MURDERERS
(http://media.nowpublic.net/images//41/a/41a003d9eac61b7a78bdc1e3c944febe.jpg)
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7221.60


I think you're reading my mind... 

That picture was the first thing I thought of when I saw the movie poster last night. ::MonkeyHaHa::





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 10, 2011, 03:01:30 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7365579n&tag=related;photovideo

Beth on the Early Show this morning.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 10, 2011, 06:35:07 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7258:aruba-niet-al-te-bekaaid-van-af&catid=117:artikelen-entertainment&Itemid=218

Google translation:

Aruba is not too off worst

Tuesday, 10 May 2011 3:18 p.m.

ORANGE CITY - Aruba Positive attention is of course not, the drop yesterday aired film "Justice for Natalee Holloway by the U.S. network Lifetime, followed by the first episode of the reality show" Vanished ". The latter presents mother Beth, this time our island natrap did not, however, as before.

Beth discusses in its program similar disappearances, which she hopes to make a contribution to bringing home the missing and putting criminals behind bars. The first episode of the series began with her own story, so the disappearance of her daughter Natalee in 2005. The whole story was addressed from the departure of Natalee to Aruba with her classmates direction to the arrest of prime suspect Joran van der Sloot in Peru, where he is suspected of the murder of the Peruvian Stephany Flores. The confrontation of Joran to Beth in the Peruvian prison was again cited. Clear that after years Beth has remained firm and are dissatisfied with the questions that remain after the disappearance of her daughter.

Striking was that on TV yesterday she clearly states that she has learned that it can happen to anyone, anywhere in the world. And not only in Aruba, as before, constantly stressed. The film and the first episode of Vanished bring our island yesterday, although again in a not too positive light, but Beth crack Aruba at least not off extra.

Justice
In the sequel film prior to its program aired, the story focused on Joran. How he picks his life after the disappearance of Natalee, while the mother of Natalee frantic attempts to find out the truth. The film is a remarkable scene where Joran and Natalee on the beach and then get Natalee on a fishing boat. Joran says in the film by a journalist to whom he tells this story, he knew at that time Natalee went out that he would step on board. With an obvious played unfeeling gaze, however, he remains behind on the beach while the boat with a clear Natalee being played in panic into the dark sea. The makers have also taken up clearly inspired by the confession of Joran to Patrick van der Eem on hidden cameras in 2008.

The whole film is punctuated by the word Aruba, the various players in and out of season in their mouths. So at the beginning of the film that Natalee was having a party and sitting on a jeep while 'Aruba' joelt. Something for the Aruban viewer somewhat strange happens. Especially because Aruba's not recognizable is visualized.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on May 10, 2011, 08:35:08 PM
(http://imageshack.us/m/705/7024/minutes2.jpg)

This is inacurrate assumption on behalf of the court. The ONLY parties that presented evidence
of gang rape, kidnapping on the part of the Plantiffs were THE PLANTIFFS AND ARUBA JUDGE SMID.


The Kalpoe brothers were previously jailed in the case, but were rearrested last week and charged with being involved in the "voluntary manslaughter" of Holloway. [/u]
<snip>
Mos has told CNN he believes authorities have enough evidence to prove Holloway is dead, even if her body is never found. He has suggested her death was an accident.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/11/30/aruba.holloway/index.html


Judge Smid said the Kalpoe brothers were involved in body disposal.[/b]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/11/30/aruba.holloway/index.html

The judge reasoned Friday that “the new evidence, together with the existing evidence in this case, produce serious grounds for the suspicion of some kind of aiding and abetting, of covering up the traces of a crime committed or of the disposing of a corpse,” prosecutors said.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/11/30/aruba.holloway/index.html
AND
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/11/30/natalee-hoolloway-investigation-aruban-judge-orders-kalpoe-brothers-to-be-released/


"There's no doubt in my mind that she's dead," said Hans Mos. "I think we have enough evidence to prove the girl is not alive anymore, even without a body."
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/11/26/holloway.arrest/index.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on May 10, 2011, 08:49:36 PM
(http://imageshack.us/m/52/3293/minutes1.png)

It was NOT the Dr. Phil show nor Skeeters who presented evidence that viewers of the Dr. Phil show would interpret
as an admision of criminal conduct by the Kalpoe brothers - it was the FACTS that they lied in their Aruba polis statements,
their own Aruba Judge ruled that they were involved in a crime and body disposal etc. etc.

Dr. Phil show merely repeated FACTS out of Aruba's own Justice System.


Oh and lest we forgot DOMPIG's statement: "They're guilty as hell"

Monkeys,
I feel there might be a need here to help Dr. Phil win this case with your knowledge - truth is power.
Take each point that is being presented and refute it with the proof/evidence we all know. We have to assume that the attorney's involved are not as knowledgeable with the case as yawl are because most of you have been here from the very beginning, plus it's easy to forget details UNLESS you're a monkey!

You know by now, that the Kalpoe attorney's watch the boards and copy everything. They are like clockwork everytime we'd post something at freebirds we were watching them show up. They come here too. Dr. Phil's people too, as well as Sony.















Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on May 10, 2011, 08:55:22 PM
Yep, they're desperate.   ::MonkeyRoll::

http://www.amigoe.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7202:aruba-in-hollywood-documentaire&catid=117:artikelen-entertainment&Itemid=218

Google translation:

Aruba Hollywood documentary

(http://www.amigoe.com/images/stories/09-05-2011/676463.jpg)

Last Updated on Monday, May 09, 2011 2:48 p.m.
Monday, May 09, 2011 2:45 p.m.

ORANGE CITY - The Greatest Movie Ever Sold, a documentary about American brand management, advertising and product placement, has recently premiered in Los Angeles. Aruba was among them, represented by Jan Allen, salesperson Aruba Tourism Authority (ATA). Part of the film is in fact recorded on the beach for the Hyatt Aruba Hotel.

The premiere was sponsored among others by ATA, which allows the new image and logo to promote Aruba. ATA also wants to highlight the participation of Aruba in this documentary. Allen spoke for the premiere, during a press conference, with some American journalists on the role of Aruba in the film. In addition, they handed out promotional materials. In addition, the Aruba logo prominently on the poster. Some Aruban people who appear in this film include Fritz Israel as marketing director ATA AHATA director Jim Hepple and former manager Aruba Hyatt Suzy Santiago. Purpose of the sponsorship is to promote Aruba as top destination in the Caribbean.
 ::snipping2::



THE REAL ARUBA - COVER UP FOR MURDERERS
(http://media.nowpublic.net/images//41/a/41a003d9eac61b7a78bdc1e3c944febe.jpg)
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7221.60


I think you're reading my mind... 

That picture was the first thing I thought of when I saw the movie poster last night. ::MonkeyHaHa::


(http://imageshack.us/m/52/2017/littlestieversaw.jpg)

The movie should be titled: 'MEASURE OF A MAN!"
 ::MonkeyDevil::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on May 10, 2011, 09:09:48 PM
(http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/4147/motiontocomeldetailofme.jpg)

(http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/7659/deepakatcnccw1.jpg)
Deepak was so damaged that he RETURNED TO CARLOS N' CHARLIES
Aug. 22: Scarborough Country obtains explosive and exclusive new video as one of the three suspects in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway returns to the place she was last seen alive.


In Deepak's depo he states:
When asked what Deepak meant when he said in the Skeeters taped interview:
"You'd be surprised how simple it was that night", DEEPAK TESTIFIED: "You
would be surprised how simple it was that night how uneventful that night
was, how short it was, just I dropped off two people and I went home."


THEN ON MONDAY HE RAN OVER TO PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT'S HOME, SAT BY THE POOL AND
GOT INSTRUCTIONS FROM PAULUS HOW TO DEFEND HIMSELF. If he only dropped Natalee
off at the beach, what would he need an attorney or instructions to defend himself for?




(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/Dompig/MDompigLadiesNight07302008SenorFrog.jpg)
DEEPAK AND MICHAEL DOMPIG at Senor Frogs


(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/Mexican_Night___Senor_Frogs__97_.jpg)
SATISH AT FORMER CNC's now Senior Frogs


(http://www.postimage.org/aVOjNqr.jpg)
DEEPAK KALPOE, KAWISH MISIER, SATISH KALPOE


(http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/493/kalpoelawsuitfilings.png)

(http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/4338/areleneshippers.jpg)

(http://img857.imageshack.us/img857/1294/kalpoesconsideredsuspec.jpg)





(http://scaredmonkeys.com/fun-images/Holloway_Kalpoes_small.jpg)
The Kalpoe’s were arrested by the ALE. They brought that upon themsleves. It was the 3 suspects who lied to the police and stated they returned Natalee Holloway to the Holiday Inn the night they drove off with her from Carlos ‘n Charlie’s. It was the suspects who lied about the two black security guards and implicated them in a crime where they were arrested. It was the three suspects who continually changed their stories and statements to the police and investigators.
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/07/12/dr-phil-attorneys-use-scared-monkeys-natalee-holloway-posts-as-exhibit-in-court-docs-against-deepak-satish-kalpoes/


The judge reasoned Friday that “the new evidence, together with the existing evidence in this case, produce serious grounds for the suspicion of some kind of aiding and abetting, of covering up the traces of a crime committed or of the disposing of a corpse,” prosecutors said.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/11/30/aruba.holloway/index.html
AND
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/11/30/natalee-hoolloway-investigation-aruban-judge-orders-kalpoe-brothers-to-be-released/


(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/observer0000007/judge.jpg)

"The Kalpoe brothers were previously jailed in the case, but were rearrested last week and charged with being involved in the "voluntary manslaughter" of Holloway.



REMINDER - JUDGE SMID SAID THE KALPOES WERE INVOLVED in" aiding and abetting, of covering up the traces of a crime committed or of the disposing of a corpse,” prosecutors said."

They made themselves PUBLIC FIGURES when they aided, abetted in a crime
When they tried to cover-up with emails to John Charles Croes
& their emails about their actions of what happened that night which was all proven more lies.








Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Buckeye on May 10, 2011, 09:24:46 PM
Link probably does not work:

BY DAVE GOLDINER NEW YORK DAILY NEWS DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER

Cops in Aruba charged two hotel security guards yesterday in the mysterious disappearance of a vacationing Alabama high school beauty - as FBI divers prepared to join the search for her. The attorney general of the Caribbean island said the men met 18-year-old Natalee Holloway sometime after she was last seen at a bar during a graduation trip over the Memorial Day weekend.

"The [suspects] have a relationship with the disappearance," said Attorney General Caren Janssen. "There is a reasonable suspicion they may be involved."
Investigators earlier questioned three other men, who told them they had sex with Holloway after meeting her at the bar in the Caribbean paradise.
It was unclear whether those men, who were freed, pointed cops to the two latest suspects, aged 28 and 30, who work at a hotel near the Holiday Inn where Holloway was staying."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts?q=1&;page=251


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Buckeye on May 10, 2011, 09:35:29 PM
From RU:

Indeed, at most a prosecutor can try to make an extremely weak case using the Aruban equivalent of 243WvS[1], sexually penetrating someone incapacitated and will stop to save himself emberasment.

Art. 243. Hij die met iemand van wie hij weet dat hij in staat van bewusteloosheid of lichamelijke onmacht verkeert, dan wel aan een zodanige gebrekkige ontwikkeling of ziekelijke stoornis van zijn geestvermogens lijdt dat hij niet of onvolkomen in staat is zijn wil daaromtrent te bepalen of kenbaar te maken of daartegen weerstand te bieden, handelingen pleegt die bestaan uit of mede bestaan uit het
seksueel binnendringen van het lichaam, wordt gestraft met gevangenisstraf van ten hoogste acht jaren of geldboete van de vijfde categorie.


From dugo  about incapasitated


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on May 10, 2011, 09:43:19 PM
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3481/5708989294_af7df2f63f_o.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on May 10, 2011, 09:49:38 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/01/18/steve-cohen-two-of-the-boys-said-they-had-consensual-sex-with-her-really/

Steve Cohen, “Two of the boys said they had consensual sex with her”. REALLY?



In an interview with Travel Video TV, Steve Cohen (Consultant to the Aruban Government) made some rather peculiar and enlightening statements in an attempt to paint Aruba in a brighter light in hopes of stemming the decline of tourism. In a article  designed to help the Aruban tourism from its disastrous decline, Steve Cohen makes a couple of comments that seem to shed some light on some rather debated issues.

    This, according to SMDG Consulting Team chairman Stephen Cohen, adviser to the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association (AHATA) and the Aruba Strategic Communications Task Force who spoke at the Caribbean Marketplace being held in San Juan, Puerto Rico. Cohen’s team is tasked with bringing out the facts in the case and establishing a more orderly approach in dealing with the media in a crisis situation. A seasoned television news expert from CBS, Cohen has been part of the SMDG team since the beginning of the investigations

One can speculate as defining this Task Force’s role as bringing out the facts or spining the facts for Aruba’s advantage. This Task Force and Steve Cohen do report to the Aruban government. It was not all that long ago we were told by Steve Cohen the following “facts in the case”. We all now know how that turned out.

    It is expected that he will be re-questioned somewhere in the next 10-day period. I doubt that they will bring him back for questioning immediately, but it will be in that period. And also, it is expected the Kalpoes will also be brought in for questioning.

Now after seven months of searching the island from the landfill to the ocean and all parts in-between, Aruban investigators are mounting a search of the California Light House area. Steve Cohen would also make such snide comments as the Mountain Brook teens did not wait around for interrogation”? Do you in Aruba actually contemplate why people are boycotting your island or just refuse by choice not to go? Maybe its because of such ongoing comments? If the Aruban authorities actually took this case seriously from the outset, they would not have allowed anyone to leave Aruba prior to being questioned.

     If current findings are true, Cohen said they are going to accelerate their efforts. Extensive search for forensic evidence continues. Yesterday, 50 members of the Aruban police department searched extensively through the dune by the lighthouse in search for clues. “Anything DNA that is identified to be of Natalee’s will allow us to bring a strong case forward against the three boys. We are also getting to finally talk to some of the Alabama teens who left on that plane and did not wait around for interrogation,” said Cohen.

Steve Cohen further goes on to continue to blame the victim asking that the most important thing is to understand Natalee’s mental state at the time of her disappearance. That’s curious, most people think that its most important to find those that committed a criminal act against her, as the Prosecutors Office has previously stated.

    Aruba believes it is most important to get a hold of her mental state and most importantly, Natalee’s physical state at the time of disappearance.

Now comes the most interesting comment and admission by Steve Cohen. Cohen stated that two of the boys had sex with Natalee. REALLY? Although Steve Cohen claims it be consensual, when have the boys publically come out and stated that they admitted to having sex with Natalee? For months people have debated and stated that Beth Twitty was lying that the three suspects had sex with Natalee. Hasn’t the entire debate about the Deepak Tapes been about whether he said, “we did or did not have sex with her?” Now Steve Cohen, consultant to the Aruban government puts it on record that they did have sex with Natalee. Why has anyone wasted any time regarding the tapes as to Deepak’s comments? Seems to be the point is moot. I guess we all now know the answer now.

    “Two of the boys said they had consensual sex with her. Whether consensual or not, depends on her ability to be conscious and make a choice,” said Cohen.

Does Steve Cohen care to share anymore findings that he is aware of and level with the American people? Actually Steve, you are wrong. It is possible for someone to be raped without being drunk or drugged, it just usually helps the perpretrators comitt the crime easier. Earth to Steve Cohen and Aruba, in a case of rape and choice … No means no. We can only hope that Aruban officials will finally focus in a direction that leads to the conclusion of this matter and closure for all.

(Read the full article from Travel Video TV)

 

 
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Buckeye on May 10, 2011, 10:04:45 PM
Fox Dec 11 2006 - Kimberly Guilfoyle and Diario`s Jossy Mansur

Diario tapes of Gerald Dompig



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek0H5zgko1U


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Buckeye on May 10, 2011, 10:37:23 PM
 ::snipping2::

Wednesday, August 24, 2005

VAN SUSTEREN: What do you make of the fact that, apparently, on this June 13 declaration, Joran says — at least, we're told — that Deepak raped and murdered — I think raped and buried, or something like that, Natalee? Do you know anything about that?

KOCK: Yes. No, that was a statement that was given. I think, though, it's — because I saw it, too, that it appeared here in the newspaper. But I think you have to put it into context, that that was just one of the stories that Joran told, and that afterwards, he has changed his story again.

It wasn't a statement that he signed, it was something that the police said that he declared during a conversation, that he said, yes, something must have gone wrong with the girl. And then when they asked him, What do you think, and he says, Well, I think maybe after I got — because that was at a time when he was stating that Deepak came and picked him up here and dropped him at home, which was also impossible because of the records afterwards, but at that time, he did not know that.

So he came up with that story that Deepak picked him up, dropped him at home, and he assumed that something went wrong, so that maybe, Deepak, knowing that the girl was here lying on the beach, came back and then did something to the girl and then bury her, no? But yes, I don't know if that was a story told, you know, as a joke, if it was maybe speaking as in a third person type of situation. I mean, but what we know is that afterwards, his statements have changed, so, you know? We don't have to only focus on that one.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,166635,00.html#ixzz1M0VtiqtC


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 11, 2011, 01:59:31 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon.jpg)

and Stephany!
 ::justice2NJ::
 




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on May 11, 2011, 04:08:38 AM
PROCES-VERBAAL


We, Clyde Anthony BURKE and Marton Rolando GUMBS, respectively sergeant first class and head
police-officer with the Korps Politie Aruba, first mentioned is part of detective unit district 2 and the latter
with the Detective Cooperation Team, declare the following.

On Wednesday, June 29th 2005 at about 12.40 hours we, the reporting officers, interviewed the suspect
Deepak.S. KALPOE, for further information
 
snip
 
On your question for whom I bought sport-shoes that I presumably bought at "The Athlete's Foot" , I can say
the following. I did not buy sport-shoes. I had to buy these before the case of the missing girl come up. I would
also like to know since when it is a crime to buy sport-shoes.

You are telling me that John Charles CROES has stated that I wrote while I was chatting with him that I had
written that the girl had put her hands in/down my pants, I can say the following. I did this to frustrate/mess up
the investigation. I wanted to direct the focus of the police on myself and Joran because we were afraid that
Satish would get the details wrong with regard to the "Holiday Inn" story. I was almost certain that our telephone
conversations were being taped and I was certain that my computer was being monitored too.
snip
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=192.0


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on May 11, 2011, 04:09:43 AM
::snipping2::

Wednesday, August 24, 2005

VAN SUSTEREN: What do you make of the fact that, apparently, on this June 13 declaration, Joran says — at least, we're told — that Deepak raped and murdered — I think raped and buried, or something like that, Natalee? Do you know anything about that?

KOCK: Yes. No, that was a statement that was given. I think, though, it's — because I saw it, too, that it appeared here in the newspaper. But I think you have to put it into context, that that was just one of the stories that Joran told, and that afterwards, he has changed his story again.

It wasn't a statement that he signed, it was something that the police said that he declared during a conversation, that he said, yes, something must have gone wrong with the girl. And then when they asked him, What do you think, and he says, Well, I think maybe after I got — because that was at a time when he was stating that Deepak came and picked him up here and dropped him at home, which was also impossible because of the records afterwards, but at that time, he did not know that.

So he came up with that story that Deepak picked him up, dropped him at home, and he assumed that something went wrong, so that maybe, Deepak, knowing that the girl was here lying on the beach, came back and then did something to the girl and then bury her, no? But yes, I don't know if that was a story told, you know, as a joke, if it was maybe speaking as in a third person type of situation. I mean, but what we know is that afterwards, his statements have changed, so, you know? We don't have to only focus on that one.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,166635,00.html#ixzz1M0VtiqtC


Buckeye. I had not read this one. Excellent.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Buckeye on May 11, 2011, 10:26:35 AM
 ::snipping2::

ORANJESTAD, Aruba, July 1, 2005
Aruba Murder Charges Pending


(CBS/AP)  Aruba's chief government spokesman said Friday that three young men detained in the disappearance of an Alabama teenager have not been formally charged but could be as soon as Monday.

Earlier, Aruba's attorney general, Karin Janssen, told The Associated Press that the young men had been charged with murder since their arrest three weeks ago.

"The three have been charged with the murder of Natalee Holloway from the beginning" of their arrest 10 days after the young woman went missing May 30, she said in a recorded interview. "At the time, we didn't want to upset the family talking about murder while they searched."

However, Janssen said, the charges were not announced at the time to protect the feelings of the family of the missing 18-year-old. The attorney general and other Aruban officials have said for weeks that no one has been charged in the case.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/30/world/main705394.shtml?tag=contentMain;contentBody


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 11, 2011, 02:56:47 PM
http://amigoe.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7229:regelgeving-tegen-witwassen-en-financiering-terrorisme-nog-niet-klaar&catid=108:artikelen-aruba&Itemid=199

Google translation:

Legislation against money laundering and terrorist financing are not yet ready

Monday, 09 May 2011 5:54 p.m.

ORANGE CITY - The tightening of laws and regulations governing the financial sector against money laundering and terrorist financing is not finished. It still does not satisfy Aruba with international standards and increases the risk that our country is on the blacklist.

The Financial Action Task Force (FATF) Aruba tapped previously on the fingers to remain in the control and prevention of money laundering and terrorist financing. The current government promised last year to get well soon the financial watchdog in order to avoid Aruba blacklisting ended after previous governments had done too little. It was agreed that Aruba in June of this year progress was reported on the so-called EIA recommendations of FATF. That means in any case that the above Ordinance on preventing and combating money laundering and terrorist financing should be introduced.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 11, 2011, 09:35:02 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.boletinextra.com/index.php/corte/71-corte/8131-homber-di-56-ana-cu-a-haci-actonan-inmoral-cu-menor-di-edad-condena-na-2-ana-di-prison

Papiamentu translation:

man of 56 year cu owing to haci actonan inmoral cu younger of edad condena at 2 year of jail

wednesday, 11 may 2011 19:49

he w. (56) yesterday afternoon owing to wordo condena at 2 year of jail. door cu anteriormente past owing to wordo let pound for of kia, yesterday past owing to go back wordo deteni of trip y take away kia for her sit his castigo. the motibo cu anteriormente past owing to wordo let pound, is because cu past owing to wordo beat in kia door of presonan. judge yesterday owing to achieve w. culpable of owing to haci actonan inmoral cu child muher of his acompañante. is so cu w. owing to saca the child pregnant y the child owing to arise contra his mother because the mother owing to bay denuncia w. now the child is bibando serca w. the young of 18 year was yesterday in corte y past owing to achieve oportunidad of despedi of w., that is seems his father. w. will owing to haci the actonan inmoral among 2007 y 2009. ministerio publico owing to present one another acusacion contra w. caminda the is wordo sospecha of owing to haci actonan inmoral cu the another child muher of his acompañante. this will have to owing to sosode among january y march of 2009. judge do not achieve this prove. sinembargo judge owing to mantene the exigencia of fiscal cu is 2 year of jail. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 12, 2011, 12:25:30 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon.jpg)

and Stephany!
 ::justice2NJ::
 

::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Patriot on May 12, 2011, 02:37:16 PM

Netherlands, Peru sign prisoner swap deal


THE HAGUE, Netherlands — Under an agreement signed Thursday, Dutch murder suspect Joran van der Sloot could serve part of his sentence in the Netherlands if he is convicted of murdering a Peruvian student nearly a year ago.

The foreign ministers of the two countries agreed that Dutch prisoners in Peru and Peruvians jailed in the Netherlands can apply to complete their prison terms in their homeland once their appeal process has been completed.

Peruvian prisons now hold 117 Dutch citizens, mostly serving time for drugs offenses. It was not immediately clear how many Peruvians are in Dutch jails.

Van der Sloot is awaiting trial on a first degree murder charge in the slaying of 21-year-old student Stephany Flores on May 30.

Van der Sloot, 24, also is a key suspect in the 2005 disappearance of U.S. teenager Natalee Holloway on the Caribbean island of Aruba.

Flores was killed five years to the day after Holloway disappeared. Her body was found in Van der Sloot's Lima hotel room, and a coroner's report said she had been bludgeoned and asphyxiated.

Under the accord, if a prisoner received a longer sentence in Peru than the maximum under Dutch law, the sentence would be reduced, the Dutch ministry said. But each country has the right to deny the prisoner's transfer request.

The deal signed must be approved by both countries' parliaments.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20110512/eu-netherlands-peru-prisoners/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 12, 2011, 05:36:36 PM
http://www.elheraldo.co/judicial/alias-tavo-fue-capturado-en-aruba-20902

Google translation:

Judicial May 12, 2011 - 12:38 am

Alias ​​'Tavo' was captured in Aruba

(http://www.elheraldo.co/sites/default/files/imagecache/detalle_articulo/anayle/ju.jpg)

'Valencia' is still free
In a joint operation between the authorities of Colombia and the United States was captured Tellez Gustavo Álvarez, alias Tavo, second leader of the Office of Envigado, led by Maximiliano Orozco Bonilla, alias Valenciano, who according to the Twitter account of the mayor of Medellin, Alonso Salazar, had been secured in the operation.

The news was denied last night by the Presidency of the Republic and the National Police in a press release.

"The President, Juan Manuel Santos Calderon, congratulated the National Police, the Aruba authorities and ICE agents and U.S. DEA, on the joint work that allowed the catch in the final hours of Gustavo Alvarez Tellez aka Tavo, second leader of the criminal structure led by Maximiliano Orozco Bonilla, alias Valenciano. says the official information. Tavo, is charged with murder for hire in Cartagena network, citing intelligence reports.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 12, 2011, 05:43:20 PM
http://www.semana.com/nacion/autoridades-analizan-pago-recompensa-alias-tavo/156596-3.aspx

Google translation:

Authorities discuss payment of rewards for alias 'Tavo'

National Police provided. A moment in which alias 'Tavo' is captured by the authorities.
PUBLIC ORDER The police chief, Gen. Oscar Naranjo, said Tellez Gustavo Álvarez, alias 'Tavo', second in command of the 'Oficina de Envigado', sent each month to the U.S. about three tons of cocaine.

(http://www.semana.com/photos/generales/ImgArticulo_T1_89548_2011512_153140.jpg)

The National Police director Gen. Oscar Naranjo, said Thursday that study the payment of a reward of up to $ 550,000 for the informants who helped the whereabouts in Aruba Tellez Gustavo Álvarez, alias 'Tavo', drug dealer and second command of the "Envigado Office."
 
Téllez organization is designated to send at least three tons of cocaine a month to the United States through Central America and Mexico, said Naranjo.
 
Téllez supplied cocaine to Mexico's Sinaloa cartel led by Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman, but he also had contacts with Los Zetas, according to police.
 
The officer said that Tellez had four days on the Caribbean island and that was passing.
 
He said that at the time of his capture was presented with the false name of Charles James Pitre and a false Venezuelan passport, but after checking his fingerprints confirmed that the drug was requested by the Colombian authorities.
 
Tellez was followed for more than four months and came to Aruba from Curacao, Naranjo said, explaining that the capture operation was coordinated with West Indian authorities and the DEA, the United States.
 
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 12, 2011, 05:51:04 PM
http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1000/Nieuws/article/detail/583431/2011/05/12/Colombiaanse-topcrimineel-opgepakt-op-Aruba.dhtml

Google translation:

Colombia's top criminal arrested in Aruba

In Aruba, the second husband of a feared Colombian drug ring were arrested. That the Colombian police reported yesterday in an official message. These Gustavo Alvarez aka Tavo Tellez, a leading figures of the gang.


Gustavo Alvarez Tavo Tellez alias.
The chief of the Colombian police, Oscar Naranjo, has traveled to Aruba for the remainder of the operation to coordinate.

Tavo is running against an extradition request from the United States. Who seek him in connection with drug trafficking and money laundering.

Thousands of murders
The gang is blamed for cocaine shipments into the United States from Honduras, Guatemala and Mexico. The group is also associated with thousands of murders in the Colombian city of Medellin.

 ::snipping2::
 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 12, 2011, 06:39:38 PM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=7260&offId=0&offDate=2011-5

::snipping2::

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/7260/2_1305164402.jpg)


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

http://amigoe.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7399:gepakte-colombiaanse-drugsbaron-was-op-doortocht&catid=151:artikel-headline-aruba&Itemid=200

Google translation:


Colombian drug lord was caught in transit

Thursday, May 12, 2011 6:37 p.m.

ORANGE CITY - The wanted Colombian drug baron Gustavo Adolfo Alvarez Tellez, known as "Tavo", was arrested yesterday on Aruba, has no ties to local criminals. He was well on the island for a "meeting", but more about the Colombian police chief Oscar Naranjo did this morning with Chief Constable Dolfi Richardson held a press conference, not lost. It became clear however that the top criminal in transit was to remain in the hands of justice.

Tellez is the second man of the criminal organization "Los Paisas. The gang is blamed for cocaine shipments into the United States from Honduras, Guatemala and Mexico. The group is also associated with thousands of murders in the Colombian city of Medellin. Los Paisas has ever emerged from the Medellin drug cartel. Tellez was like the second man responsible for the operational part of the drug, said Naranjo. Bigwig Los Paisas, Maximiliano Orozco Bonilla, better known as "Valenciano", is still volatile. But the arrest of his deputy, moreover, the nineteenth in Los Paisas in a period of eight months is a blow to the organization and to pull the net tighter Orozco, said the Colombian police this morning.

The Colombian authorities will Tellez as soon as possible extradition to the United States. Indeed he is wanted by the judiciary of New York for drug trafficking and money laundering. Currently he sits in a cell at the police while the city of Orange in cooperation with Colombian authorities including the American DEA and the prosecutors in Aruba the examination. The request for extradition has been made, Naranjo said the main police station in Macuarima where the press conference took place this morning.

The Colombian police chief further stated that the arrested drug kingpin is in transit and had no contacts with local criminals. "There are no organizations tied to those of Tellez. The way he seemed to be moving with a false Venezuelan passport was constantly traveling from country to country, so from the hands of the Colombian authorities to continue. "In his company were two other men were arrested. They remain in the hands of Aruban justice and are being questioned about their links with Tellez.

The three men were yesterday at the end of the afternoon by a special police squad of the Aruban police arrested at the height of Plaza Las Americas (roundabout Cas di Cultura). The three were blindfolded and taken to the police station in Oranjestad. The investigation that led to his arrest is the result of four months investigation, said the Colombian police.

Gold Tip
Naranjo, Cesar Pinzon assisted by his supervisor and several agents Colombian citizen was to focus on Aruba on behalf of the Colombian president Juan Manuel Santos to thank the Aruban authorities. "The arrest of Tavo is the result of a collaboration between the authorities in Aruba, the U.S. and Colombian intelligence. In particular, the Aruban authorities, we are grateful for their prompt and decisive action. "The arrest of Tellez is a reward for the golden tip. General Naranjo will not matter too much into detail, but indicates that the tipster was a Colombian.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 12, 2011, 06:40:54 PM
Why did I know they would claim he had "no ties" in Aruba.???  ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on May 12, 2011, 07:21:14 PM
Why did I know they would claim he had "no ties" in Aruba.???  ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyHaHa::




 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on May 12, 2011, 07:24:08 PM
I wonder if "Tavo" was busted because he failed to cough up protection money?  Or maybe he horned in someone else's territory?   :2thinky:


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 12, 2011, 08:39:34 PM
I wonder if "Tavo" was busted because he failed to cough up protection money?  Or maybe he horned in someone else's territory?   :2thinky:

Maybe so....

http://amigoe.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7399:gepakte-colombiaanse-drugsbaron-was-op-doortocht&catid=151:artikel-headline-aruba&Itemid=200

(last sentence)

"the tipster was a Colombian"


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on May 12, 2011, 09:48:34 PM

Netherlands, Peru sign prisoner swap deal


THE HAGUE, Netherlands — Under an agreement signed Thursday, Dutch murder suspect Joran van der Sloot could serve part of his sentence in the Netherlands if he is convicted of murdering a Peruvian student nearly a year ago.

The foreign ministers of the two countries agreed that Dutch prisoners in Peru and Peruvians jailed in the Netherlands can apply to complete their prison terms in their homeland once their appeal process has been completed.

Peruvian prisons now hold 117 Dutch citizens, mostly serving time for drugs offenses. It was not immediately clear how many Peruvians are in Dutch jails.

Van der Sloot is awaiting trial on a first degree murder charge in the slaying of 21-year-old student Stephany Flores on May 30.

Van der Sloot, 24, also is a key suspect in the 2005 disappearance of U.S. teenager Natalee Holloway on the Caribbean island of Aruba.

Flores was killed five years to the day after Holloway disappeared. Her body was found in Van der Sloot's Lima hotel room, and a coroner's report said she had been bludgeoned and asphyxiated.

Under the accord, if a prisoner received a longer sentence in Peru than the maximum under Dutch law, the sentence would be reduced, the Dutch ministry said. But each country has the right to deny the prisoner's transfer request.

The deal signed must be approved by both countries' parliaments.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20110512/eu-netherlands-peru-prisoners/


I would hope Peru would deny.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 12, 2011, 10:45:22 PM

Netherlands, Peru sign prisoner swap deal


THE HAGUE, Netherlands — Under an agreement signed Thursday, Dutch murder suspect Joran van der Sloot could serve part of his sentence in the Netherlands if he is convicted of murdering a Peruvian student nearly a year ago.

The foreign ministers of the two countries agreed that Dutch prisoners in Peru and Peruvians jailed in the Netherlands can apply to complete their prison terms in their homeland once their appeal process has been completed.

Peruvian prisons now hold 117 Dutch citizens, mostly serving time for drugs offenses. It was not immediately clear how many Peruvians are in Dutch jails.

Van der Sloot is awaiting trial on a first degree murder charge in the slaying of 21-year-old student Stephany Flores on May 30.

Van der Sloot, 24, also is a key suspect in the 2005 disappearance of U.S. teenager Natalee Holloway on the Caribbean island of Aruba.

Flores was killed five years to the day after Holloway disappeared. Her body was found in Van der Sloot's Lima hotel room, and a coroner's report said she had been bludgeoned and asphyxiated.

Under the accord, if a prisoner received a longer sentence in Peru than the maximum under Dutch law, the sentence would be reduced, the Dutch ministry said. But each country has the right to deny the prisoner's transfer request.

The deal signed must be approved by both countries' parliaments.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20110512/eu-netherlands-peru-prisoners/


I would hope Peru would deny.

Me too. 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20110512/eu-netherlands-peru-prisoners/

::snipping2::

Quote
Under the accord, if a prisoner received a longer sentence in Peru than the maximum under Dutch law, the sentence would be reduced, the Dutch ministry said. But each country has the right to deny the prisoner's transfer request.

Drug charges may be one thing, but I would hope that Peru would expect anyone convicted of the brutal murder of one of their own, to serve the ENTIRE sentence!  IMO, this case cries for a very long one.

 ::monkeydenied::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 12, 2011, 11:05:52 PM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=7272&offId=0&offDate=2011-5

Papiamentu translation:

3 hora happen | fecha: 12/05/2011 | horario: 19:19

man is fayece at one form straÑo, although autoridad is tell cu not have nothing particular famianan wanted let haci autopsia

diahuebs morning owing to enter informe of cu have a cu they owing to descubri without life at his apartment at rudolf arendstraat, at once owing to dirigi one patrol at the sitio. at arrival of the patrol owing to come descubri cu provided that berdad have a cu do not give sign of life y owing to ask for one doctor come at the sitio. at arrival of dr. gerrit croes owing to come constata dead of j.t. naci at year 1963, near of the curpa was several mark of saca although the dr. owing to constata dead natural y autoridad also owing to arrive at the conclusion eynan tog the famianan have doubt y owing to ask for let haci autopsia for so achieve know genuinely what owing to happen cu they being keri.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 12, 2011, 11:28:19 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon.jpg)

and Stephany!
 ::justice2NJ::
 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on May 13, 2011, 09:09:19 AM
O/T
As you guys know,  RED has been battling the forces of evil and there is good news and bad. Contrary, to initial MSM reports there was no settlement, although it appears the case might have had a conclusion. That said, the legal case has been costly and Red could use any help that we could offer. Red has stated he is very appreciative of everyone's support in emails and donations.  There is a donation button in the upper right of the forum if you would like to help.  THANKS!


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9451.msg1342551#msg1342551


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Kiwi on May 13, 2011, 12:39:59 PM

Netherlands, Peru sign prisoner swap deal


THE HAGUE, Netherlands — Under an agreement signed Thursday, Dutch murder suspect Joran van der Sloot could serve part of his sentence in the Netherlands if he is convicted of murdering a Peruvian student nearly a year ago.

The foreign ministers of the two countries agreed that Dutch prisoners in Peru and Peruvians jailed in the Netherlands can apply to complete their prison terms in their homeland once their appeal process has been completed.

Peruvian prisons now hold 117 Dutch citizens, mostly serving time for drugs offenses. It was not immediately clear how many Peruvians are in Dutch jails.

Van der Sloot is awaiting trial on a first degree murder charge in the slaying of 21-year-old student Stephany Flores on May 30.

Van der Sloot, 24, also is a key suspect in the 2005 disappearance of U.S. teenager Natalee Holloway on the Caribbean island of Aruba.

Flores was killed five years to the day after Holloway disappeared. Her body was found in Van der Sloot's Lima hotel room, and a coroner's report said she had been bludgeoned and asphyxiated.

Under the accord, if a prisoner received a longer sentence in Peru than the maximum under Dutch law, the sentence would be reduced, the Dutch ministry said. But each country has the right to deny the prisoner's transfer request.

The deal signed must be approved by both countries' parliaments.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20110512/eu-netherlands-peru-prisoners/


I would hope Peru would deny.

Me too. 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20110512/eu-netherlands-peru-prisoners/

::snipping2::

Quote
Under the accord, if a prisoner received a longer sentence in Peru than the maximum under Dutch law, the sentence would be reduced, the Dutch ministry said. But each country has the right to deny the prisoner's transfer request.

Drug charges may be one thing, but I would hope that Peru would expect anyone convicted of the brutal murder of one of their own, to serve the ENTIRE sentence!  IMO, this case cries for a very long one.

 ::monkeydenied::
Good Morning all. Does anyone know how long the max sentence would be for murder under Dutch law?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: wreck on May 13, 2011, 02:09:02 PM

Netherlands, Peru sign prisoner swap deal


THE HAGUE, Netherlands — Under an agreement signed Thursday, Dutch murder suspect Joran van der Sloot could serve part of his sentence in the Netherlands if he is convicted of murdering a Peruvian student nearly a year ago.

The foreign ministers of the two countries agreed that Dutch prisoners in Peru and Peruvians jailed in the Netherlands can apply to complete their prison terms in their homeland once their appeal process has been completed.

Peruvian prisons now hold 117 Dutch citizens, mostly serving time for drugs offenses. It was not immediately clear how many Peruvians are in Dutch jails.

Van der Sloot is awaiting trial on a first degree murder charge in the slaying of 21-year-old student Stephany Flores on May 30.

Van der Sloot, 24, also is a key suspect in the 2005 disappearance of U.S. teenager Natalee Holloway on the Caribbean island of Aruba.

Flores was killed five years to the day after Holloway disappeared. Her body was found in Van der Sloot's Lima hotel room, and a coroner's report said she had been bludgeoned and asphyxiated.

Under the accord, if a prisoner received a longer sentence in Peru than the maximum under Dutch law, the sentence would be reduced, the Dutch ministry said. But each country has the right to deny the prisoner's transfer request.

The deal signed must be approved by both countries' parliaments.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20110512/eu-netherlands-peru-prisoners/


I would hope Peru would deny.

Me too. 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20110512/eu-netherlands-peru-prisoners/

::snipping2::

Quote
Under the accord, if a prisoner received a longer sentence in Peru than the maximum under Dutch law, the sentence would be reduced, the Dutch ministry said. But each country has the right to deny the prisoner's transfer request.

Drug charges may be one thing, but I would hope that Peru would expect anyone convicted of the brutal murder of one of their own, to serve the ENTIRE sentence!  IMO, this case cries for a very long one.

 ::monkeydenied::
Good Morning all. Does anyone know how long the max sentence would be for murder under Dutch law?
An "educated guess" is that they treat pot possession as about the same.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Buckeye on May 13, 2011, 09:16:28 PM
 ::snipping2::

November 28, 2008

...

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you have any contact with Deepak and Satish?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: What kind of contact?

VAN DER SLOOT: I have e-mailed back and forth with them a couple of times, called once.

VAN SUSTEREN: When did you call?

VAN DER SLOOT: Something -- three months ago.

VAN SUSTEREN: What was the conversation?

VAN DER SLOOT: It was about they had a lawsuit going, and that's really the only thing we talk about.

VAN SUSTEREN: And is there -- why is the lawsuit of interest to you?

VAN DER SLOOT: They said that if they won the lawsuit, that they'd give me a million dollars.

VAN SUSTEREN: And is that Deepak saying that, or Satish?

VAN DER SLOOT: It's Deepak. I have it on paper too.

VAN SUSTEREN: Deepak wrote it, or in an e-mail?

VAN DER SLOOT: No, I got it - just my computer. Like it's typed up.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you know if his lawyer knows?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, for sure.


VAN SUSTEREN: What does it say on the paper? What's the deal?

VAN DER SLOOT: It's that if as long as I don't share anything that I know about the both of them with any money, and if they win the lawsuit, I will get a million dollars.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did that come from the lawyer or from Deepak?

VAN DER SLOOT: Both of them.

VAN SUSTEREN: Both the lawyer and Deepak?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes. It's an official paper.

VAN SUSTEREN: Will you show us a copy of it?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,457144,00.html#ixzz1MHix8coc


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: SuzieQ on May 13, 2011, 11:37:12 PM
::snipping2::

November 28, 2008

...

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you have any contact with Deepak and Satish?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: What kind of contact?

VAN DER SLOOT: I have e-mailed back and forth with them a couple of times, called once.

VAN SUSTEREN: When did you call?

VAN DER SLOOT: Something -- three months ago.

VAN SUSTEREN: What was the conversation?

VAN DER SLOOT: It was about they had a lawsuit going, and that's really the only thing we talk about.

VAN SUSTEREN: And is there -- why is the lawsuit of interest to you?

VAN DER SLOOT: They said that if they won the lawsuit, that they'd give me a million dollars.

VAN SUSTEREN: And is that Deepak saying that, or Satish?

VAN DER SLOOT: It's Deepak. I have it on paper too.

VAN SUSTEREN: Deepak wrote it, or in an e-mail?

VAN DER SLOOT: No, I got it - just my computer. Like it's typed up.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you know if his lawyer knows?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, for sure.


VAN SUSTEREN: What does it say on the paper? What's the deal?

VAN DER SLOOT: It's that if as long as I don't share anything that I know about the both of them with any money, and if they win the lawsuit, I will get a million dollars.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did that come from the lawyer or from Deepak?

VAN DER SLOOT: Both of them.

VAN SUSTEREN: Both the lawyer and Deepak?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes. It's an official paper.

VAN SUSTEREN: Will you show us a copy of it?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,457144,00.html#ixzz1MHix8coc



Oh,how I pray that was on the computer he had in Peru.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 14, 2011, 12:52:12 AM
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=146498722083927&set=a.146498568750609.30003.100001714010601&type=1

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Kawish%20Misier/KawishMisier_UniversityofAruba_04162011-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 14, 2011, 01:31:04 AM
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.118886168174023.16042.113632632032710

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http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.122154267847213.17654.113632632032710

University Career Expo 2010

December 1, 2010

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 14, 2011, 03:01:01 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on May 14, 2011, 05:35:25 AM
 ::MonkeyTears:: my fav pix


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 14, 2011, 10:06:40 AM
::MonkeyTears:: my fav pix

I love that one too Nut...   :smt056


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: San on May 14, 2011, 01:38:23 PM
Could new treaty get van der Sloot back to Holland?

Birmingham, Ala (WIAT)
What will a new extradition treaty between Peru and The Netherlands mean for the Holloway family's six year quest to find out what happened to Natalee Holloway on a graduation trip to Aruba?

Will it complicate efforts to extradite Joran van der Sloot from Peru's Castro Castro prison to face wire fraud and extortion charges here in Birmingham?

Peru and The Netherlands agreed on an extradition treaty Thursday.  It still requires ratification by the Dutch Parliament and the Peruvian Congress.

Dutch Foreign Minister Uri Rosenthal and his Peruvian opposite number Jose Antonio Garcia Belaunde signed a treaty on the transfer of sentenced persons and the enforcement of criminal judgments.  "The treaty allows residents of the Kingdom of the Netherlands who have been sentenced to prison by final and irrevocable judgment in Peru" to serve their sentence in the Netherlands, said Rosenthal.

 ::snipping2:: <SNIP>

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Could-new-treaty-get-van-der-Sloot-back-to-Holland/zOhZc0JQO0mwmI0oXvruoA.cspx?rss=1659


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: San on May 14, 2011, 01:40:57 PM
Quote
Altez said he would advise Van der Sloot to apply for extradition if he's convicted "under the violent emotion defense" -- meaning a jury could determine he snapped and killed Flores, but didn't plan it out. In that case, he'd likely get a three-to-five year sentence, which he wouldn't appeal, Altez said.

"If he gets a higher sentence" -- such as what amounts to premeditated murder -- "we will probably appeal" and not request extradition, said Altez. That's because once Van der Sloot leaves Peru to serve his time in the Netherlands, it would be more difficult to appeal his sentence.

Let's hope he is convicted of premeditated murder.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Sleuth on May 14, 2011, 04:58:40 PM
Quote
Altez said he would advise Van der Sloot to apply for extradition if he's convicted "under the violent emotion defense" -- meaning a jury could determine he snapped and killed Flores, but didn't plan it out. In that case, he'd likely get a three-to-five year sentence, which he wouldn't appeal, Altez said.

"If he gets a higher sentence" -- such as what amounts to premeditated murder -- "we will probably appeal" and not request extradition, said Altez. That's because once Van der Sloot leaves Peru to serve his time in the Netherlands, it would be more difficult to appeal his sentence.

Let's hope he is convicted of premeditated murder.

Yes, exactly.

Buckeye - thanks for the reminder of the interview with Greta where Joran indicated Deepak promised him $1 million if he won the lawsuit.  Defamation, my a--


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Blue Moon on May 14, 2011, 05:04:45 PM
I am wiping tears from my eyes.  I finished watching "Gone without a trace".  The ending broke my heart for Beth all over again.

I have been following the Anthony case today and watched this during that and I am on overload right now.

It was a very good movie.  Hats off to Tracy Pollan for her portrayal of Beth. 

One more thing, Anita should be so lucky to look as good as the woman they had who played her.  They really goofed that one up.   ::piggy:: ::piggy::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2011, 06:34:37 PM
DON'T MISS THE DANA PRETZER SHOW AT 9PM ET TONIGHT!

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 14, 2011, 09:29:28 PM
I just love listening to Blink!!  She is so smart and quick and I'll bet she drinks
a dozen cups of coffee a day. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 15, 2011, 12:29:20 AM
http://amigoe.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7502:aruba-geen-doorsluishaven-voor-coke-naar-vs&catid=108:artikelen-aruba&Itemid=199

Google translation:

"Aruba is no slush port for cocaine to U.S. '

Saturday, 14 May 2011 5:30 p.m.

ORANGE CITY - The news yesterday by news agency Reuters was brought on the Wednesday arrested Colombian drug baron Gustavo Adolfo Alvarez 'Tavo' Tellez, including Aruba used as slush harbor large quantities of drugs to the U.S. is not the Aruban authorities confirmed. ANP is based on information from the Colombian police, but a high Aruban government source told The Daily that is not true.

 ::snipping2::

It remains unclear however how long this drug lord still remain trapped in Aruba. The authorities are eager to get rid of him as "a major security problem," the government source. About whether justice is afraid of an escape attempt but this source did not say. Extradition to the United States would be several days or even a few months duration. Exactly when the transfer takes place only after the prosecutor wants to sign for security reasons.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 15, 2011, 12:32:56 AM
Bet that smells good...not    ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://amigoe.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7506:wegwerkzaamheden-sabana-liber-gestart&catid=151:artikel-headline-aruba&Itemid=200

Google translation:

Road construction started Sabana Liber

Saturday, 14 May 2011 5:41 p.m.

(http://amigoe.com/images/stories/14-05-2011/680140.jpg)

ORANGE CITY - Since the last rainy season the main street of Sabana Liber severely damaged by water. The Office of Public Works (DOW) has begun to make a ditch for water and sewage disposal.

There has been several times working on the road, but once again showed the new holes. DOW recently embarked on a drainage system for all water disposal. Where the water comes up is a pit dug a ditch and the water is drained to the grubbing along the St. Anne Church in North. This should prevent the water comes back up, made from DOW officer Albert Tromp. The ditch runs in front of the houses and 2.5 meters in depth is a tube through which all water flows. Residents of the houses through a bridge can then reach their own area. According to DOW Director Jossy Figaroa after all these months the soil remains saturated in Sabana Liber. "We can only begin with the construction of roads where the terrain is dry."
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 15, 2011, 01:38:10 AM
Hello Good Monkeys.......
urine will never leave Castro Castro alive...body bag is its only way out......JMHO....
Good Night Good Monkeys........


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 15, 2011, 01:49:12 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/PDF%20amigoearu/13-05-2011a.pdf

Google translation:

Extradition Treaty with Peru signed
Joran theoretical to the Netherlands


Google translation:

ORANGE CITY / LIMA - The murder suspect Joran van der Sloot could theoretically, after any
conviction to serve his sentence in the Netherlands. Moreover, his sentence likely than
reduced to the standards of the Dutch law. This is the result of an extradition treaty recently concluded between the Netherlands and Peru.
 ::snipping2::
The extradition treaty is in fact voluntary.  Since this is a murder of a Peruvian citizen, chances are small that Peru also agrees to extradition of Joran.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 15, 2011, 01:52:52 AM
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/14/us-flight-birds-idUSTRE74D1M220110514

Flight returns safely to New York after bird strike

U.S. »
BOSTON | Sat May 14, 2011 2:51pm EDT

(Reuters) - A bird strike forced a JetBlue flight bound for Aruba back to New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport shortly after takeoff on Saturday, officials said.

JetBlue flight 757 landed safely back at the airport after a bird strike during the plane's late morning departure, said Alex Headrick, a spokesman for the airline.

The Airbus A320 aircraft had 104 passengers and five flight crew aboard, he said. No injuries were reported and passengers were transferred to a airplane.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 15, 2011, 02:41:33 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon.jpg)

and Stephany!
 ::justice2NJ::
 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: carpe noctem on May 15, 2011, 04:07:15 AM
I'm here standing with the girl, for as long as it takes.

I'm still trying to absorb it all.

About the movie...I'm not sure where to start really.  One thing is for sure, the actress that portrayed Anita was NOTHING like Anita imo. 

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1305056/


Gee whiz!!!!!! That's like false advertising... or something. Anita is a wardrobe discordant dilapidated ol' pudgy bag of buzzards!

She is who I think of when I want something to go away. (know what I mean?) ::MonkeyHaHa::

The director must have been being kind. Her whole life has been such a sucking eddy of utter despair aka Joran, Dead Fish Paulu-ass... they must have tossed her a crumb.

Anita, you old BAG, soak up the win. You finally look good! - only they had to hire someone else to make it happen. Only in Hollywood.

I would spare her the constant cut downs, if she wasn't such a little piggy with a heart of a charcoal nugget.

However, it's what's inside Anita that disgusts me. She is an awful person with no sense of decency.

For me - that is as ugly as ugly can be.

As I type this Skynyrd just came on - Freebird!!!! Cool. I always think of Nats now when I hear it.

-Justice for Natalee! (like the Energizer bunny.... sssssSSSSTILL going!) ::HelloKitty::





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on May 15, 2011, 08:25:54 AM
Good morning monks!  It's always good to see you billb and Carpe!   ::MonkeyDance::

texasmom, your posting of the pictures of Natalee and Stephany are a fine tribute to them in the quest for justice.   ::justice2NJ::








Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 15, 2011, 11:23:12 AM
I've missed you Carpe!   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 15, 2011, 11:25:29 AM
Good morning monks!  It's always good to see you billb and Carpe!   ::MonkeyDance::

texasmom, your posting of the pictures of Natalee and Stephany are a fine tribute to them in the quest for justice.   ::justice2NJ::


Good morning MuffyBee!   ::bee::   ::MonkeyKiss::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 15, 2011, 12:23:39 PM
Good morning monks!  It's always good to see you billb and Carpe!   ::MonkeyDance::

texasmom, your posting of the pictures of Natalee and Stephany are a fine tribute to them in the quest for justice.   ::justice2NJ::







Nice to see you too MuffyBee....Carpe and all Good Monkeys.....
Justice for Natalee.....and Stephany....IS just around the corner.........


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 15, 2011, 12:37:18 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!   ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 15, 2011, 01:14:42 PM
http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery/albums/2011/May2011/JelShot/JelShot%20%285%29.JPG

Aruba trading ta presenta : Party Star Jel shot na Sr. Frog's

(http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery/albums/2011/May2011/JelShot/JelShot%20%285%29.JPG)

Señor Frog's Aruba's Photos

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150182568561244&set=a.110704156243.107471.96313531243&type=1&ref=nf

(http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/226417_10150182568561244_96313531243_7411271_6343465_n.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 15, 2011, 03:15:46 PM
Olivia Zeolla and some of her college friends in Aruba for Spring Break in March.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=133367113403780&set=o.96313531243&type=1&pid=220000&id=100001914767025

(http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/197026_133367113403780_100001914767025_220000_1083105_n.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 15, 2011, 04:04:47 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnWoFf_DVOg

Natalee Holloway's mom on 9 News at Noon

Uploaded by wcpo on May 9, 2011
Beth Holloway is a champion of family rights.

http://www.youtube.com/v/JnWoFf_DVOg?version=3


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on May 15, 2011, 07:12:10 PM
Thanks TM  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: San on May 15, 2011, 11:32:48 PM
Even birds try and stop people from going to Aruba.

Flight returns safely to New York after bird strike

(Reuters) - A bird strike forced a JetBlue flight bound for Aruba back to New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport shortly after takeoff on Saturday, officials said.

 ::snipping2:: <SNIP>

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/14/us-flight-birds-idUSTRE74D1M220110514


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 16, 2011, 01:33:14 AM

This is Deepak and Satish on the way to their hotel in LA. ::MonkeyDevil::

http://themavesite.com/wp/pictures/monkey-attack


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 16, 2011, 03:42:53 AM

This is Deepak and Satish on the way to their hotel in LA. ::MonkeyDevil::

http://themavesite.com/wp/pictures/monkey-attack


  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 16, 2011, 03:43:53 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon.jpg)

and Stephany!
 ::justice2NJ::
 



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on May 16, 2011, 05:39:41 PM

This is Deepak and Satish on the way to their hotel in LA. ::MonkeyDevil::

http://themavesite.com/wp/pictures/monkey-attack


ROFLMAO
 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on May 16, 2011, 05:55:29 PM
This made me think of carpe because I'm sure carpe would be thinking this person hasn't met Anita yet.



Domain Name       online.no ? (Norway)
IP Address       83.109.208.# (Telenor Business Solution AS)
ISP       Telenor Business Solutions AS
Location       
Referring URL      http://www.google.co...e=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7
Search Engine      google.com
Search Words      old big thai sex
Visit Entry Page       http://scaredmonkeys...ng-zina-linnik-case/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on May 16, 2011, 05:56:24 PM
 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://themavesite.com/TMS-Pictures/2009-08/MonkeyAttack.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on May 16, 2011, 05:57:14 PM
This made me think of carpe because I'm sure carpe would be thinking this person hasn't met Anita yet.



Domain Name       online.no ? (Norway)
IP Address       83.109.208.# (Telenor Business Solution AS)
ISP       Telenor Business Solutions AS
Location       
Referring URL      http://www.google.co...e=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7
Search Engine      google.com
Search Words      old big thai sex
Visit Entry Page       http://scaredmonkeys...ng-zina-linnik-case/

but now I'm wondering if it's a translation problem.........could be they are trying to find old big thunder thighs. Something to SNAP, CRACKLE & POP....................... ::Baseball::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 16, 2011, 06:16:30 PM
Thanks Buckeye!!!

My DIL and I have been searching for that Joran quote for a long while.  It never dawned on us that it was from a Greta interview.  It goes a long way to support my theory that Joran was tipped off that he was being recorded in the Range Rover "confession" ... the Range Rover "confession" where he exonerate the Kalpoes from implication in the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30th ... the morning when Natalee Holloway met her demise.

Janet

++++++

The Lawsuit

Joran van der Sloot Goes 'On the Record' with New Natalee Holloway Story
Tuesday, November 25, 2008


<snipped>

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you have any contact with Deepak and Satish?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: What kind of contact?

VAN DER SLOOT: I have e-mailed back and forth with them a couple of times, called once.

VAN SUSTEREN: When did you call?

VAN DER SLOOT: Something -- three months ago.

VAN SUSTEREN: What was the conversation?

VAN DER SLOOT: It was about they had a lawsuit going, and that's really the only thing we talk about.

VAN SUSTEREN: And is there -- why is the lawsuit of interest to you?

VAN DER SLOOT: They said that if they won the lawsuit, that they'd give me a million dollars.

VAN SUSTEREN: And is that Deepak saying that, or Satish?

VAN DER SLOOT: It's Deepak. I have it on paper too.

VAN SUSTEREN: Deepak wrote it, or in an e-mail?

VAN DER SLOOT: No, I got it - just my computer. Like it's typed up.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you know if his lawyer knows?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, for sure.

VAN SUSTEREN: What does it say on the paper? What's the deal?

VAN DER SLOOT: It's that if as long as I don't share anything that I know about the both of them with any money, and if they win the lawsuit, I will get a million dollars.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did that come from the lawyer or from Deepak?

VAN DER SLOOT: Both of them.

VAN SUSTEREN: Both the lawyer and Deepak?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes. It's an official paper.

VAN SUSTEREN: Will you show us a copy of it?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,457144,00.html#ixzz1MHix8coc


Food for Thought

klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #830 2/25/10 -
« Reply #494 on: February 27, 2010, 08:30:43 PM »


I haven't seen anyone here at SM that believes 100% of what Joran says whether it be the Range Rover story or the most recent falling off balcony story.  I do believe many feel as though with every lie is a smidgen of truth. 

It's clear to me that Joran is simply throwing stuff out there hoping it sticks and in the process making some $$.  He knows that he's already paid the consequence of unlawful disposal of a corpse.  Could be that the stories not involving K2 are in hopes of K2 getting a large settlement from Dr. Phil and sharing with Joran.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7126.msg1083973#msg1083973


The Range Rover "Confession" and the Lawsuit


<snipped by Tamikosmom?


(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5027/5596525990_1ed0f09683_b.jpg)







Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 16, 2011, 06:49:36 PM
Thanks Buckeye!!!

My DIL and I have been searching for that Joran quote for a long while.  It never dawned on us that it was from a Greta interview.  It goes a long way to support my theory that Joran was tipped off that he was being recorded in the Range Rover "confession" ... the Range Rover "confession" where he exonerate the Kalpoes from implication in the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30th ... the morning when Natalee Holloway met her demise.

Janet

++++++

The Lawsuit

Joran van der Sloot Goes 'On the Record' with New Natalee Holloway Story
Tuesday, November 25, 2008


<snipped>

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you have any contact with Deepak and Satish?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: What kind of contact?

VAN DER SLOOT: I have e-mailed back and forth with them a couple of times, called once.

VAN SUSTEREN: When did you call?

VAN DER SLOOT: Something -- three months ago.

VAN SUSTEREN: What was the conversation?

VAN DER SLOOT: It was about they had a lawsuit going, and that's really the only thing we talk about.

VAN SUSTEREN: And is there -- why is the lawsuit of interest to you?

VAN DER SLOOT: They said that if they won the lawsuit, that they'd give me a million dollars.

VAN SUSTEREN: And is that Deepak saying that, or Satish?

VAN DER SLOOT: It's Deepak. I have it on paper too.

VAN SUSTEREN: Deepak wrote it, or in an e-mail?

VAN DER SLOOT: No, I got it - just my computer. Like it's typed up.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you know if his lawyer knows?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, for sure.

VAN SUSTEREN: What does it say on the paper? What's the deal?

VAN DER SLOOT: It's that if as long as I don't share anything that I know about the both of them with any money, and if they win the lawsuit, I will get a million dollars.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did that come from the lawyer or from Deepak?

VAN DER SLOOT: Both of them.

VAN SUSTEREN: Both the lawyer and Deepak?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes. It's an official paper.

VAN SUSTEREN: Will you show us a copy of it?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,457144,00.html#ixzz1MHix8coc


<snipped by Tamikosmom>





Kalpoes' Attorney - William Cremer

Feb 6, 2008 5:00 am US/Pacific
Former Holloway Suspects Can Sue Dr. Phil


A judge refused to dismiss a defamation suit Tuesday against CBS and television psychologist "Dr. Phil" McGraw brought by two brothers who were questioned in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

William Cremer, the lead attorney for Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, praised the decision by Superior Court Judge Edward A. Ferns.

"I'm going to take Dr. Phil down," he said outside the courtroom.

The ruling came a day after ABC's "20/20" aired a secretly recorded conversation involving Joran Van der Sloot ....

Cremer said the taped remarks by Van der Sloot, which were secretly recorded by a Dutch crime reporter, help his clients' defamation case.

"It pretty much exonerates my boys, doesn't it?" Cremer said.

<snipped>

http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 16, 2011, 11:39:34 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::  Very sad...he has a three year old daughter. 

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/31705-hoben-di-20-ana-a-mata-su-curpa-den-auto.html

Papiamentu translation:

caso lamentabel: stanley thiel owing to place end at his life

monday, 16 may 2011 22:41

cu one "tie-wrap" mara at the hand of door of his car kia picanto color orange-coloured, the young stanley owing to. thiel of 20 year of edad owing to place one end at his life by of cay at knee y horca his self just fast his cas situa at paradera 132-b. the news here owing to conmove family very, specialmente because is algo cu they owing to see is come very time end. owing to haci much attempt for evita, but finalmente not owing to succeed. is deal of the young stanley a. thiel naci at aruba day 7 of april 1991 y live at paradera 132-b. alrededor of 8or y mey of monday night did take the desicion drastico of place end at his life.  ::snipping2::


http://www.facebook.com/stanley.a.thiel?sk=wall


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 16, 2011, 11:54:06 PM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/31706-ultimo-mensahe-riba-bbm-di-stanley-thiel.html

Papiamentu translation:

ultimo message on bbm of stanley thiel

monday, 16 may 2011 22:51

family thiel of paradera is in one tristeza profunfo for perdida of they son stanley thiel of barely 20 year of edad. past owing to place end at his life tonight by of horca his curpa cu one "tie-wrap" mara at his door of car. but first cu past owing to haci this, past owing to "update" his status on his blackberry messenger, in cual the is send one message cla at his ex pareha (z.v.) y mother of his child.

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1...images.stories.news.2011.mei.mei16.ultimo_stanley_thiel.jpg)


http://www.facebook.com/stanley.a.thiel?sk=wall

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1128962870&sk=wall


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on May 17, 2011, 12:06:48 AM
So sad


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2011, 12:10:55 AM
http://www.silive.com/news/index.ssf/2011/05/coast_guard_reportedly_searchi.html

Coast Guard reportedly searching for Greek sailor who fell overboard on trip to Staten Island

Published: Monday, May 16, 2011, 6:52 PM     Updated: Monday, May 16, 2011, 6:54 PM
By Staten Island Advance

STATEN ISLAND, N.Y. -- The Coast Guard is searching off the Dominican coast for a missing Greek sailor who apparently fell overboard as his oil tanker traveled from Aruba to Staten Island, according to multiple published reports.
The 24-year-old was a crewman aboard a 748-foot, Greek-flagged vessel Velopoula, the Winnipeg Free Press is reporting.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: grace-land on May 17, 2011, 12:12:55 AM
http://www.livinginperu.com/news-14888-international-relations-netherlands-peru-sign-treaty-transfer-prisoners

International Relations | May 16, 2011 [ 7:43 ]

Netherlands and Peru sign treaty on transfer of prisoners

 ::snipping2::

The Minister of Foreign Affairs José Antonio García Belaúnde and his Dutch counterpart Uri Rosenthal signed a treaty on the transfer of sentenced persons and the enforcement of criminal judgments on May 12, according to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in the Netherlands.

The treaty allows residents of the Netherlands who have been sentenced to prison by final and unappealable judgment in Peru to serve their sentence in one of the countries in the Kingdom, this includes Aruba, Curaçao, Sint Maarten and the Netherlands. Peruvians who are in prison anywhere in the Kingdom are also entitled to the terms of the treaty. Both countries are under obligation to grant a detainee’s request. The treaty will become effective as soon as both parliaments have approved it.

 ::snipping2::

The extradition agreement may allow Dutch citizen Joran van der Sloot to serve his sentence in the Kingdom of the Netherlands. It has been reported that the treaty was mainly created for the prison terms of Dutch nationals serving sentences for drug-related convictions in Peru.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2011, 12:54:59 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon.jpg)

and Stephany!
 ::justice2NJ::
 

::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Jonathan45 on May 17, 2011, 02:01:55 AM
Joran telling the truth: "These boys [Deepak and Satish Kalpoe] just dropped me off and don't know anything at all."

Joran telling the truth: " You can see how smart I am. That I was able to let them say that they dropped me off at the hotel."



I am still waiting for the cadaverdogs to solve this simple case.
 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 17, 2011, 10:15:41 AM
Joran telling the truth: "These boys [Deepak and Satish Kalpoe] just dropped me off and don't know anything at all."

Joran telling the truth: " You can see how smart I am. That I was able to let them say that they dropped me off at the hotel."



I am still waiting for the cadaverdogs to solve this simple case.
 

Jonathan45

It's not going to happen UNLESS Natalee's remains are planted as part of Aruba's agenda to distance all who were involved in the the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 as well as those who were participants in the pursuing coverup.

IMO

Janet

+++++

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kyle Kingman:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

Kermit - Scared Monkeys


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 17, 2011, 10:26:44 AM
http://www.livinginperu.com/news-14888-international-relations-netherlands-peru-sign-treaty-transfer-prisoners

International Relations | May 16, 2011 [ 7:43 ]

Netherlands and Peru sign treaty on transfer of prisoners

 ::snipping2::

The Minister of Foreign Affairs José Antonio García Belaúnde and his Dutch counterpart Uri Rosenthal signed a treaty on the transfer of sentenced persons and the enforcement of criminal judgments on May 12, according to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in the Netherlands.

The treaty allows residents of the Netherlands who have been sentenced to prison by final and unappealable judgment in Peru to serve their sentence in one of the countries in the Kingdom, this includes Aruba, Curaçao, Sint Maarten and the Netherlands. Peruvians who are in prison anywhere in the Kingdom are also entitled to the terms of the treaty. Both countries are under obligation to grant a detainee’s request. The treaty will become effective as soon as both parliaments have approved it.

 ::snipping2::

The extradition agreement may allow Dutch citizen Joran van der Sloot to serve his sentence in the Kingdom of the Netherlands. It has been reported that the treaty was mainly created for the prison terms of Dutch nationals serving sentences for drug-related convictions in Peru.

 ::snipping2::


Thanks Grace.

An exception will be made for Joran van der Sloot.  The Aruban/Dutch "powers that be" are working beind the scenes with Peruvian authorities to make sure this transfer happen.  Think about it.  Joran's knowledge in regards to the corrupt Natalee Holloway investigation implies he has to be pacified or he will reveal all.  If Joran talks ... the Aruban/Dutch house of cards will come tumbling down.

IMO

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Lifesong on May 17, 2011, 02:15:07 PM
http://www.livinginperu.com/news-14888-international-relations-netherlands-peru-sign-treaty-transfer-prisoners

International Relations | May 16, 2011 [ 7:43 ]

Netherlands and Peru sign treaty on transfer of prisoners

 ::snipping2::

The Minister of Foreign Affairs José Antonio García Belaúnde and his Dutch counterpart Uri Rosenthal signed a treaty on the transfer of sentenced persons and the enforcement of criminal judgments on May 12, according to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in the Netherlands.

The treaty allows residents of the Netherlands who have been sentenced to prison by final and unappealable judgment in Peru to serve their sentence in one of the countries in the Kingdom, this includes Aruba, Curaçao, Sint Maarten and the Netherlands. Peruvians who are in prison anywhere in the Kingdom are also entitled to the terms of the treaty. Both countries are under obligation to grant a detainee’s request. The treaty will become effective as soon as both parliaments have approved it.

 ::snipping2::

The extradition agreement may allow Dutch citizen Joran van der Sloot to serve his sentence in the Kingdom of the Netherlands. It has been reported that the treaty was mainly created for the prison terms of Dutch nationals serving sentences for drug-related convictions in Peru.

 ::snipping2::


Thanks Grace.

An exception will be made for Joran van der Sloot.  The Aruban/Dutch "powers that be" are working beind the scenes with Peruvian authorities to make sure this transfer happen.  Think about it.  Joran's knowledge in regards to the corrupt Natalee Holloway investigation implies he has to be pacified or he will reveal all.  If Joran talks ... the Aruban/Dutch house of cards will come tumbling down.

IMO

Janet

Hi Janet,  I hope all is well in your world.   ::MonkeyDance:: 

I think its quite possible that Joran has lied so much at this point that his word holds absolutely no credibility.  Should he finally talk, which is doubtful since Paulus is no longer alive to keep him safe, who would even believe him?

He could point fingers at every dutch official or ex-pat on the island or even offer pictures of van der straaten driving the police boat with the crab trap on it out to sea...without any repercussions for the also-guilty. 

All they need say is "Look at Joran, he is a liar." 

I think there's no longer a reason to be afraid of him talking, what irrefutable proof of any truth could he possibly offer, right?  Food for thought, anyway.


JMO and only MO

 ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on May 17, 2011, 03:11:04 PM
7) Is it true that Mr. Kalpoe owns a ‘koei’

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=853.0
(source: 6/23 letter from DeSouza to KJ
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=853.0)



Maybe they mean a ‘kooi’, which is a cage?



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on May 17, 2011, 03:14:51 PM

(http://s4.postimage.org/h0lnnpj9k/dompigsatishdeepak2.jpg)
DEEPAK KALPOE AND SATISH KALPOE WITH COUSIN MICHAEL DOMPIG - EVIDENCE OF THEIR PTS INJURIES i guess ::monkeywine2::


(http://s4.postimage.org/h0lu9ux8o/dompigsatishdeepak3.jpg)
KYLE SAID: "Hey, I remember those hooters girls! ( I also remember the dude in the middle)"


note: the Hooters girl to Satish's left  looks alot like the girl in the pics with Michael Dompig on his myspace - perhaps his girl friend.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on May 17, 2011, 03:25:46 PM
Joran posts on FB


Feb. 16, 2010
Joran Van Der Sloot and Valentijn van der Sloot are now friends.
41 minutes ago · Comment ·LikeUnlike · Add as Friend

Feb. 17, 2010
Connor John Erickson: yo my computer wont let me download msn but im tryin to figure it out.. Have fun in the coffeeshops for me
11 hours ago ·


JUST DAYS BEFORE HE MURDERED STEPHANY FLORES

May 9, 2010 Joran posted:
Joran Van Der Sloot
LOL finally someone that gets it. It's blood test though not drug test
Yesterday at 5:31pm





NATALEE CASE
(http://www.postimage.org/aV2rJvDJ.jpg)
taking Joran in for his DNA sample.
Ariean de Bie

(http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/3439/attorneyforjoranaa1.jpg)

(http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/867/37289564a6ab01d7b6zq3.jpg)




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 17, 2011, 04:13:33 PM
Lifesong

Everything is good in my world.  Eldest son and DIL are anxiously awaiting the birth of their second child at the end of July.  Papa and Mama are also counting the days ... especially Mama.

How are you?

I agree.  Every word that come out of Joran's lips needs to be questioned.  However ... this young man who believes he is so entitled ... so above the boundaries that define a civilized society ... is forced to spend 30 years in a Peruvian lockup ... the truth encompassing those involved in the happenings on the morning of May 30th and ... those involved in the corrupt investigation that prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway will be revealed.

Bottom Line.  I could be wrong but ... I believe that Joran will be transferred to Aruba or the Netherlands to serve his sentence for the murder of Stephany Flores.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2011, 06:21:18 PM
http://amigoe.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7617:dak-er-af-na-windhoos&catid=108:artikelen-aruba&Itemid=199

Google translation:

(http://amigoe.com/images/stories/17-05-2011/681436.jpg)

Roof off after tornado

Tuesday, 17 May 2011 6:08 p.m.

ORANGE CITY - A massive wind and rain this morning tornado literally blew the roof of this house Paradera. For a school near the church of Paradera was the sudden rise to bad weather on the radio to call on parents to send their children directly from school to come here.

Other houses nearby were hit by the tornado and were damaged. The Meteorological Service this morning sent a message which warned of locally heavy rain and thunderstorms, and shortly afterwards on the website of Meteo reported that the area was hit by Jaburibari and Paradera. Aruba has a lot of warm temperatures last days. There is a disturbance over the central and eastern Caribbean where little movement is cloudy and makes. Through a combination of high humidity and a light breeze, so it feels very warm. According to Meteo will have a few days.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on May 17, 2011, 07:07:40 PM
Lifesong

Everything is good in my world.  Eldest son and DIL are anxiously awaiting the birth of their second child at the end of July.  Papa and Mama are also counting the days ... especially Mama.

How are you?

I agree.  Every word that come out of Joran's lips needs to be questioned.  However ... this young man who believes he is so entitled ... so above the boundaries that define a civilized society ... is forced to spend 30 years in a Peruvian lockup ... the truth encompassing those involved in the happenings on the morning of May 30th and ... those involved in the corrupt investigation that prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway will be revealed.

Bottom Line.  I could be wrong but ... I believe that Joran will be transferred to Aruba or the Netherlands to serve his sentence for the murder of Stephany Flores.

Janet

IF he leaves Peru prison - he will be coming to America on charges of extortion.
So I wouldn't count on him being in any Aruba or Dutch prison for any length of time.
I also wouldn't count out the Flores family and their position of power in Peru.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2011, 07:10:38 PM
::MonkeyNoNo::  Very sad...he has a three year old daughter. 

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/31705-hoben-di-20-ana-a-mata-su-curpa-den-auto.html

Papiamentu translation:

caso lamentabel: stanley thiel owing to place end at his life

monday, 16 may 2011 22:41

cu one "tie-wrap" mara at the hand of door of his car kia picanto color orange-coloured, the young stanley owing to. thiel of 20 year of edad owing to place one end at his life by of cay at knee y horca his self just fast his cas situa at paradera 132-b. the news here owing to conmove family very, specialmente because is algo cu they owing to see is come very time end. owing to haci much attempt for evita, but finalmente not owing to succeed. is deal of the young stanley a. thiel naci at aruba day 7 of april 1991 y live at paradera 132-b. alrededor of 8or y mey of monday night did take the desicion drastico of place end at his life.  ::snipping2::


http://www.facebook.com/stanley.a.thiel?sk=wall


I thought that's what last night's article was describing, I've just never heard of such a thing!

::MonkeyConfused::

http://www.amigoe.com/PDF%20amigoearu/17-05-2011a.pdf

Google translation:

Man hangs himself in car

ORANGE CITY - A 20-year-old man was yesterday have been killed by to hang himself in his car. Remarkably, a short time after media published photographs of his Blackberry when his last message was read before he committed suicide.
Relationship problems would cause for his action.  The man was at eight hours in his car found Paradera in front of his house.  Ambulance staff tried to resuscitate him, but without success until great sorrow of family and friends to the place had come to.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: wreck on May 17, 2011, 07:51:51 PM
::MonkeyNoNo::  Very sad...he has a three year old daughter. 

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/31705-hoben-di-20-ana-a-mata-su-curpa-den-auto.html

Papiamentu translation:

caso lamentabel: stanley thiel owing to place end at his life

monday, 16 may 2011 22:41

cu one "tie-wrap" mara at the hand of door of his car kia picanto color orange-coloured, the young stanley owing to. thiel of 20 year of edad owing to place one end at his life by of cay at knee y horca his self just fast his cas situa at paradera 132-b. the news here owing to conmove family very, specialmente because is algo cu they owing to see is come very time end. owing to haci much attempt for evita, but finalmente not owing to succeed. is deal of the young stanley a. thiel naci at aruba day 7 of april 1991 y live at paradera 132-b. alrededor of 8or y mey of monday night did take the desicion drastico of place end at his life.  ::snipping2::


http://www.facebook.com/stanley.a.thiel?sk=wall


I thought that's what last night's article was describing, I've just never heard of such a thing!

::MonkeyConfused::

http://www.amigoe.com/PDF%20amigoearu/17-05-2011a.pdf

Google translation:

Man hangs himself in car

ORANGE CITY - A 20-year-old man was yesterday have been killed by to hang himself in his car. Remarkably, a short time after media published photographs of his Blackberry when his last message was read before he committed suicide.
Relationship problems would cause for his action.  The man was at eight hours in his car found Paradera in front of his house.  Ambulance staff tried to resuscitate him, but without success until great sorrow of family and friends to the place had come to.
How do you hang oneself in a car???????????????????????????????


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2011, 09:21:44 PM
::MonkeyNoNo::  Very sad...he has a three year old daughter. 

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/31705-hoben-di-20-ana-a-mata-su-curpa-den-auto.html

Papiamentu translation:

caso lamentabel: stanley thiel owing to place end at his life

monday, 16 may 2011 22:41

cu one "tie-wrap" mara at the hand of door of his car kia picanto color orange-coloured, the young stanley owing to. thiel of 20 year of edad owing to place one end at his life by of cay at knee y horca his self just fast his cas situa at paradera 132-b. the news here owing to conmove family very, specialmente because is algo cu they owing to see is come very time end. owing to haci much attempt for evita, but finalmente not owing to succeed. is deal of the young stanley a. thiel naci at aruba day 7 of april 1991 y live at paradera 132-b. alrededor of 8or y mey of monday night did take the desicion drastico of place end at his life.  ::snipping2::


http://www.facebook.com/stanley.a.thiel?sk=wall


I thought that's what last night's article was describing, I've just never heard of such a thing!

::MonkeyConfused::

http://www.amigoe.com/PDF%20amigoearu/17-05-2011a.pdf

Google translation:

Man hangs himself in car

ORANGE CITY - A 20-year-old man was yesterday have been killed by to hang himself in his car. Remarkably, a short time after media published photographs of his Blackberry when his last message was read before he committed suicide.
Relationship problems would cause for his action.  The man was at eight hours in his car found Paradera in front of his house.  Ambulance staff tried to resuscitate him, but without success until great sorrow of family and friends to the place had come to.
How do you hang oneself in a car???????????????????????????????

Exactly! 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Frijole on May 17, 2011, 10:22:24 PM

How do you hang oneself in a car???????????????????????????????
::MonkeyDevil::  With the seatbelt of course. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: San on May 17, 2011, 10:36:18 PM
 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: pinkbanana on May 17, 2011, 10:38:30 PM
Always in my heart Natalee!  ::MonkeyAngel::

pb


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 18, 2011, 12:39:53 AM

A Million Dollar Agreement

Joran van der Sloot Goes 'On the Record' with New Natalee Holloway Story
Tuesday, November 25, 2008


<snipped>

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you have any contact with Deepak and Satish?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: What kind of contact?

VAN DER SLOOT: I have e-mailed back and forth with them a couple of times, called once.

VAN SUSTEREN: When did you call?

VAN DER SLOOT: Something -- three months ago.

VAN SUSTEREN: What was the conversation?

VAN DER SLOOT: It was about they had a lawsuit going, and that's really the only thing we talk about.

VAN SUSTEREN: And is there -- why is the lawsuit of interest to you?

VAN DER SLOOT: They said that if they won the lawsuit, that they'd give me a million dollars.

VAN SUSTEREN: And is that Deepak saying that, or Satish?

VAN DER SLOOT: It's Deepak. I have it on paper too.

VAN SUSTEREN: Deepak wrote it, or in an e-mail?

VAN DER SLOOT: No, I got it - just my computer. Like it's typed up.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you know if his lawyer knows?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, for sure.

VAN SUSTEREN: What does it say on the paper? What's the deal?

VAN DER SLOOT: It's that if as long as I don't share anything that I know about the both of them with any money, and if they win the lawsuit, I will get a million dollars.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did that come from the lawyer or from Deepak?

VAN DER SLOOT: Both of them.

VAN SUSTEREN: Both the lawyer and Deepak?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes. It's an official paper.

VAN SUSTEREN: Will you show us a copy of it?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,457144,00.html#ixzz1MHix8coc

Buckeye




Bottom Line

NANCY GRACE
Kalpoe Brothers Rearrested
Aired August 26, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET


<snipped>

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: We`ve known from day one Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are way deeply involved in this.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/26/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 18, 2011, 12:52:57 AM

How do you hang oneself in a car???????????????????????????????
::MonkeyDevil::  With the seatbelt of course. 

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 18, 2011, 01:24:23 AM
Joran posts on FB


Feb. 16, 2010
Joran Van Der Sloot and Valentijn van der Sloot are now friends.
41 minutes ago · Comment ·LikeUnlike · Add as Friend

Feb. 17, 2010
Connor John Erickson: yo my computer wont let me download msn but im tryin to figure it out.. Have fun in the coffeeshops for me
11 hours ago ·


JUST DAYS BEFORE HE MURDERED STEPHANY FLORES

May 9, 2010 Joran posted:
Joran Van Der Sloot
LOL finally someone that gets it. It's blood test though not drug test
Yesterday at 5:31pm





NATALEE CASE
(http://www.postimage.org/aV2rJvDJ.jpg)
taking Joran in for his DNA sample.
Ariean de Bie

(http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/3439/attorneyforjoranaa1.jpg)

(http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/867/37289564a6ab01d7b6zq3.jpg)



what gets me.....why can't our investigative/judicial Systems squeeze the likes of steve cohen and kyle....and louis s and john s.......
pisses me off......


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 18, 2011, 02:30:18 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Holloway_beach.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 18, 2011, 02:37:16 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_1.jpg)

Justice for Natalee
and Stephany!
 
::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on May 18, 2011, 09:00:25 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Holloway_beach.jpg)




Such an adorable picture.  Thank you for posting it texasmom. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on May 18, 2011, 05:32:48 PM
Not sure of the importance but this was just filed on the 16th:

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3317/5734455281_e31a4d74bb_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on May 18, 2011, 05:35:04 PM
peremptory writ Law Definition

n

Archaic
A common law document directing the sheriff to assure the defendantÂ’s appearance in court, as long as the plaintiff has presented the former with security for the prosecution. In current practice, the peremptory writ has been replaced by the summons.

http://law.yourdictionary.com/peremptory-writ


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on May 18, 2011, 06:35:21 PM
OT- For Sandy Leiva:
Here is the thread for Nikki Hidalgo in our Missing Persons Forum:
Teen Nikki Hidalgo missing since 5/11/11
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9911.msg1349402#msg1349402
I hope she's found safe and found soon.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: sandy leiva on May 18, 2011, 07:29:48 PM
OT- For Sandy Leiva:
Here is the thread for Nikki Hidalgo in our Missing Persons Forum:
Teen Nikki Hidalgo missing since 5/11/11
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9911.msg1349402#msg1349402
I hope she's found safe and found soon.  ::MonkeyAngel::

thank you I just found out shes pregnant 8 months and biological family is not cooperating with info and so my cousin took it to media and police. So we dont know if she was abducted, or went on her own. She did not take anything with her. so were just not sure. thanks so much.  monkey love to all for this help sl


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on May 18, 2011, 07:42:06 PM
OT- For Sandy Leiva:
Here is the thread for Nikki Hidalgo in our Missing Persons Forum:
Teen Nikki Hidalgo missing since 5/11/11
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9911.msg1349402#msg1349402
I hope she's found safe and found soon.  ::MonkeyAngel::

thank you I just found out shes pregnant 8 months and biological family is not cooperating with info and so my cousin took it to media and police. So we dont know if she was abducted, or went on her own. She did not take anything with her. so were just not sure. thanks so much.  monkey love to all for this help sl


YW Sandy.    :smt056


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: grace-land on May 18, 2011, 09:09:55 PM
Not sure of the importance but this was just filed on the 16th:

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3317/5734455281_e31a4d74bb_b.jpg)

Hmmmm--Can the defendants be planning to follow up 437c (m) (1) with 437c (m) (2) ?


http://law.onecle.com/california/civil-procedure/437c.html

 ::snipping2::

(m) (1) A summary judgment entered under this section is an
appealable judgment as in other cases. Upon entry of any order
pursuant to this section, except the entry of summary judgment, a
party may, within 20 days after service upon him or her of a written
notice of entry of the order, petition an appropriate reviewing court
for a peremptory writ. If the notice is served by mail, the initial
period within which to file the petition shall be increased by five
days if the place of address is within the State of California, 10
days if the place of address is outside the State of California but
within the United States, and 20 days if the place of address is
outside the United States. If the notice is served by facsimile
transmission, Express Mail, or another method of delivery providing
for overnight delivery, the initial period within which to file the
petition shall be increased by two court days. The superior court
may, for good cause, and prior to the expiration of the initial
period, extend the time for one additional period not to exceed 10
days.
   (2) Before a reviewing court affirms an order granting summary
judgment or summary adjudication on a ground not relied upon by the
trial court, the reviewing court shall afford the parties an
opportunity to present their views on the issue by submitting
supplemental briefs. The supplemental briefing may include an
argument that additional evidence relating to that ground exists, but
that the party has not had an adequate opportunity to present the
evidence or to conduct discovery on the issue. The court may reverse
or remand based upon the supplemental briefing to allow the parties
to present additional evidence or to conduct discovery on the issue.
If the court fails to allow supplemental briefing, a rehearing shall
be ordered upon timely petition of any party.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 19, 2011, 12:56:54 AM
http://amigoe.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7672:aruba-promoten-als-innovatief-economisch-eiland&catid=108:artikelen-aruba&Itemid=199

Google translation:

Aruba and promote innovative economic Island

Last Updated on Wednesday, May 18, 2011 6:23 p.m.
Wednesday, May 18, 2011 6:20 p.m.

ORANGE CITY - Prime Minister Mike Eman (AVP) will depart later this week to the Netherlands. He goes under the auspices of the Association of Dutch Businessmen (VNO), give a presentation to members of the Permanent Committee of the Senate and House.

Eman will be presenting a picture of the possibilities that Aruba can offer as part of the Kingdom. Aruba sees himself as an innovative island in the Kingdom and will focus on commercial development between Latin America, the European Union and the United States. The government thus refers to contacts made with agencies such as TNO, Hoofddorp, Union Gas and the Rietveld Academy. They each have their own economic interest in Aruba area. Thus would begin a research institute TNO in Aruba, Union Gas is in the picture to help with the distribution of gas between Valero and WEB and wants the Rietveld Academy in Aruba establish a branch. To protect economic interests and contacts already established to emphasize Representatives from these agencies present at the presentation of Eman at VNO in The Hague. 

The reason Eman the presentation, is due to a reaction of the Dutch interior minister, Piet Hein Donner (CDA). The Permanent Committee had questions on the Islands of the Kingdom. Donner had then in turn said that Aruba ensure that the Caribbean part of the Kingdom develops well.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 19, 2011, 01:56:59 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/PDF%20amigoearu/18-05-2011a.pdf

Google translation:

Parliament adopts law against terrorist financing and money laundering

ORANGE CITY - The parliament yesterday bill passed against terrorism and money laundering.
The groups had various amendments and motions which led to a number of changes in the law.

Exactly what the changes are not yet known.

With the approval of the Act is another step Aruba progressed further in meeting the requirements of FATF financial watchdog. The Task Force would have to Aruba a blacklist, because our country for years barely has implemented the recommendations for a safer and more transparent financial transactions. Whether with the commencement of this Act occur remains to be seen.

Coming Friday, the Aruban Government report on its progress she has made ​​to date in implementing recommendations. On June 20 will subsequently tabled come at a meeting of FATF. Should Aruba end up on the blacklist, then this 'disastrous' impact on the economy, let Finance Minister Mike de Meza (AVP) already know. This list is in fact used internationally to For example, investments do.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 19, 2011, 02:21:29 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_1.jpg)

Justice for Natalee
and Stephany!
 
::justice2NJ::
::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 19, 2011, 03:59:35 PM
Not sure of the importance but this was just filed on the 16th:

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3317/5734455281_e31a4d74bb_b.jpg)

Hmmmm--Can the defendants be planning to follow up 437c (m) (1) with 437c (m) (2) ?


http://law.onecle.com/california/civil-procedure/437c.html

 ::snipping2::

(m) (1) A summary judgment entered under this section is an
appealable judgment as in other cases. Upon entry of any order
pursuant to this section, except the entry of summary judgment, a
party may, within 20 days after service upon him or her of a written
notice of entry of the order, petition an appropriate reviewing court
for a peremptory writ. If the notice is served by mail, the initial
period within which to file the petition shall be increased by five
days if the place of address is within the State of California, 10
days if the place of address is outside the State of California but
within the United States, and 20 days if the place of address is
outside the United States. If the notice is served by facsimile
transmission, Express Mail, or another method of delivery providing
for overnight delivery, the initial period within which to file the
petition shall be increased by two court days. The superior court
may, for good cause, and prior to the expiration of the initial
period, extend the time for one additional period not to exceed 10
days.
   (2) Before a reviewing court affirms an order granting summary
judgment or summary adjudication on a ground not relied upon by the
trial court, the reviewing court shall afford the parties an
opportunity to present their views on the issue by submitting
supplemental briefs. The supplemental briefing may include an
argument that additional evidence relating to that ground exists, but
that the party has not had an adequate opportunity to present the
evidence or to conduct discovery on the issue. The court may reverse
or remand based upon the supplemental briefing to allow the parties
to present additional evidence or to conduct discovery on the issue.
If the court fails to allow supplemental briefing, a rehearing shall
be ordered upon timely petition of any party.

 ::snipping2::


Thanks Grace

Janet

++++++


Thanks Buckeye!!!

The Joran van der Sloot and The Defamation Lawsuit Connection

Joran van der Sloot Goes 'On the Record' with New Natalee Holloway Story
Tuesday, November 25, 2008


<snipped>

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you have any contact with Deepak and Satish?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: What kind of contact?

VAN DER SLOOT: I have e-mailed back and forth with them a couple of times, called once.

VAN SUSTEREN: When did you call?

VAN DER SLOOT: Something -- three months ago.

VAN SUSTEREN: What was the conversation?

VAN DER SLOOT: It was about they had a lawsuit going, and that's really the only thing we talk about.

VAN SUSTEREN: And is there -- why is the lawsuit of interest to you?

VAN DER SLOOT: They said that if they won the lawsuit, that they'd give me a million dollars.

VAN SUSTEREN: And is that Deepak saying that, or Satish?

VAN DER SLOOT: It's Deepak. I have it on paper too.

VAN SUSTEREN: Deepak wrote it, or in an e-mail?

VAN DER SLOOT: No, I got it - just my computer. Like it's typed up.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you know if his lawyer knows?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, for sure.

VAN SUSTEREN: What does it say on the paper? What's the deal?

VAN DER SLOOT: It's that if as long as I don't share anything that I know about the both of them with any money, and if they win the lawsuit, I will get a million dollars.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did that come from the lawyer or from Deepak?

VAN DER SLOOT: Both of them.

VAN SUSTEREN: Both the lawyer and Deepak?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes. It's an official paper.

VAN SUSTEREN: Will you show us a copy of it?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,457144,00.html#ixzz1MHix8coc

Buckeye - Scared Monkeys


The Range Rover and The Defamation Lawsuit Connection


<snipped by Tamikosmom>


(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5027/5596525990_1ed0f09683_b.jpg)





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 19, 2011, 04:01:01 PM
Not sure of the importance but this was just filed on the 16th:

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3317/5734455281_e31a4d74bb_b.jpg)

Thanks Klaas

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Lifesong on May 19, 2011, 04:03:55 PM
Not sure of the importance but this was just filed on the 16th:

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3317/5734455281_e31a4d74bb_b.jpg)

Hmmmm--Can the defendants be planning to follow up 437c (m) (1) with 437c (m) (2) ?


http://law.onecle.com/california/civil-procedure/437c.html

 ::snipping2::

(m) (1) A summary judgment entered under this section is an
appealable judgment as in other cases. Upon entry of any order
pursuant to this section, except the entry of summary judgment, a
party may, within 20 days after service upon him or her of a written
notice of entry of the order, petition an appropriate reviewing court
for a peremptory writ. If the notice is served by mail, the initial
period within which to file the petition shall be increased by five
days if the place of address is within the State of California, 10
days if the place of address is outside the State of California but
within the United States, and 20 days if the place of address is
outside the United States. If the notice is served by facsimile
transmission, Express Mail, or another method of delivery providing
for overnight delivery, the initial period within which to file the
petition shall be increased by two court days. The superior court
may, for good cause, and prior to the expiration of the initial
period, extend the time for one additional period not to exceed 10
days.
   (2) Before a reviewing court affirms an order granting summary
judgment or summary adjudication on a ground not relied upon by the
trial court, the reviewing court shall afford the parties an
opportunity to present their views on the issue by submitting
supplemental briefs. The supplemental briefing may include an
argument that additional evidence relating to that ground exists, but
that the party has not had an adequate opportunity to present the
evidence or to conduct discovery on the issue. The court may reverse
or remand based upon the supplemental briefing to allow the parties
to present additional evidence or to conduct discovery on the issue.
If the court fails to allow supplemental briefing, a rehearing shall
be ordered upon timely petition of any party.

 ::snipping2::


Thanks, Grace-land!   ::MonkeyCool::

So, if "reviewing court" means "appeals court" as its known to most laypeople, then this would mean that Dr. Phil's team has appealed the denial of the summary judgement?

Am I reading this right?



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 19, 2011, 05:12:28 PM
Six Years Later

My ongong prayer is that Natalee Holloway will be returned to her country ... will be returned to her family ... her family who after almost six years would be afforded the opportunity to lay their loved one to rest on American soil.

I believe that there are those who were on board the Persistence who could be instrumental in bringing about required pressure that will allow my prayer to be realized ... those who witnessed and videotaped the furthering of the Aruban/Dutch  coverup  ... the Aruban/Dutch coverup that has prevented justice from prevailing for American citizen since May 30, 2005.

+++++

The Parable of the Lamp

Mark 4:21-23


Then Jesus asked them, “Would anyone light a lamp and then put it under a basket or under a bed? Of course not! A lamp is placed on a stand, where its light will shine.  For everything that is hidden will eventually be brought into the open, and every secret will be brought to light.  Anyone with ears to hear should listen and understand.”


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 19, 2011, 05:15:21 PM
Face to Face with Joran

Beth Holloway

Exerpts:

'I wanted to peel the skin off his face. I'm thinking this is it, this is my one chance and I'll never get this chance again.

'My eyes met his and we were face to face. The only thing I had left in me was just to speak from the heart.'
 
'Tell me what happen.  Let me take her home.'

September, 2010

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1327180/Natalee-Holloways-mother-comes-face-face-Joran-Van-der-Sloot-jail.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 19, 2011, 08:31:15 PM
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/05/william_trickett_smith_of_paxt.html

William Trickett Smith of Paxtang pleads guilty in Peru to killing his wife
Published: Thursday, May 19, 2011, 6:27 PM     Updated: Thursday, May 19, 2011, 8:06 PM
By IVEY DEJESUS, The Patriot-News The Patriot-News

William Trickett Smith II appeared in a Peru court this week and pleaded guilty of killing his wife, according to several Lima-based news outlets.

(http://media.pennlive.com/midstate_impact/photo/8840280-small.jpg)
Submitted photoWilliam Trickett Smith II and his wife, Jana Claudia Gomez Menendez.

According to La Republica and Peru21, in pleading guilty Thursday, Smith accepted the 35-year prison sentence handed down by the public judicial ministry during a hearing at a San Pedro district.

 ::snipping2::
Smith’s defense attorney called the sentencing excessive, but accepted the civil penalties, although the news reports did not mention what those penalties were, nor if they were monetary fines.

 ::snipping2::
In August 2007, Menendez’s body was found dismembered inside a suitcase that washed up on a Lima, Peru, beach after an earthquake. Her parents identified their slain daughter when television news reports zoomed in on the butterfly tattoo on the back of her neck.

The case gained national attention in Peru and became known as el enigma de la mariposa — the mystery of the butterfly.

Patricia Menendez, Jana Claudia Gomez Menendez’s mother, long vowed to seek justice.

“My family will not stop until William Smith pays for what he did,” she told The Patriot-News in 2008. Attempts to contact Patricia Menendez on Thursday were unsuccessful.

(http://media.pennlive.com/midstate_impact/photo/peru-prisonjpg-f70265888ab7c71e.jpg)
William Trickett Smith is on the left and Joran Van Der Sloot on the right.

In August 2010, two weeks after his extradition to Peru, Smith, then 29, appeared in a photograph standing along with Joran van der Sloot, a suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway in Aruba. 

Van der Sloot is awaiting trial on a first degree murder charge in the slaying of 21-year-old student Stephany Flores on May 30, 2010.

 ::snipping2::

Peruvian online reports have referred to Smith and van der Sloot as “the foreigners accused of the most talked-about assassinations in our country.”

The Dutch national first gained international notoriety when he was twice arrested in the 2005 disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway in Aruba.

 ::snipping2::
Police claimed they had witnesses who saw Smith leaving a hotel with Menendez with a suitcase matching the description of the one in which her body was found.

The murder of a relative or spouse is punishable by a minimum of 15 years in prison in Peru. The South American country does not have the death penalty, but prison conditions there are described as harsh.

The Associated Press contributed to this report. This story has been updated from an earlier version.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 19, 2011, 08:43:16 PM
http://peru21.pe/noticia/759977/asesino-maleta-se-declara-culpable

Google translation:

'Murderer of the case' pleads guilty

William Trickett Smith II invoked the legal concept of plea bargaining to take responsibility for killing his wife.

(http://e.peru21.pe/102/ima/0/0/3/4/3/343211.jpg)
William Trickett Smith II killed his wife and dumped her body at sea in 2007. (Peru 21)

::snipping2::

Comments:

::snipping2::

 8 | MAY 19, 2011 | 2:44:19 PMJUDGE
In the united (Texas) would have executed

::CowboySmiley::







Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 19, 2011, 08:55:31 PM
http://peru21.pe/noticia/756260/acuerdo-beneficiaria-van-der-sloot

Google translation:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/05122011_Peru21_Joran.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 19, 2011, 08:56:57 PM
::monkeydenied:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::bananadance::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 19, 2011, 08:58:22 PM
http://peru21.pe/noticia/756260/acuerdo-beneficiaria-van-der-sloot

Google translation:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/05122011_Peru21_Joran.jpg)

BUMPED...since my celebration post above doesn't make much sense without it... ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: grace-land on May 19, 2011, 09:48:03 PM
Thanks for the good news texasmom!

>>>Joran will NOT benefit from the agreement to exchange prisoners between Peru and Netherlands!!<<<   ::MonkeyDance::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 19, 2011, 10:34:14 PM
YW Graceland!

There are many more articles that say he will benefit from the agreement. 

It was interesting to me during my search on the subject that so many of the articles on Peru based websites cite the (US) CBS 48 hours take on the agreement!
::MonkeyConfused::

My opinion based on my understanding of all I've read is that the "intent" of the agreement was not to benefit those who choose to murder Peruvian citizens, but was specifically based on the many foreigners serving time for drug related offenses.  My guess would be that Joran may apply for the transfer after his conviction...and from my understanding after MOST of the sentence is served, but I don't think anyone with the authority to do so in Peru will want to be the one that approved that transfer. 

If they do, they'd better pack up and move to Holland!   ::MonkeyWink::

JMO 

This is an article that even though it's not very plain on some things, I think Stephany's father's point can be understood...

::MonkeyCool::

http://elcomercio.pe/lima/756444/noticia-traslado-presos-entre-peru-holanda-favoreceria-van-der-sloot?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Google translation:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/05122011_elcomerciopelima_Joran.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 19, 2011, 10:55:06 PM
http://amigoe.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7673:schadeclaims-windhoos-onzeker&catid=108:artikelen-aruba&Itemid=199

Google translation:

Tornado damage claims uncertain

Last Updated on Thursday, 19 May 2011 2:34 p.m.
Wednesday, May 18, 2011 6:23 p.m.

ORANGE CITY - The tornado that swept Paradera yesterday afternoon, with significant damage to include the Church of Paradera and surrounding houses. The insurance companies have claims in the first, but whether it is covered depends on several factors including the wind. This can not confirm Aruba Meteorological Service.

 ::snipping2::

In Paradera are about four serious damage caused to their houses suffered roof. The church was damaged and also John's Pizza restaurant has suffered. The tornado went right past Colegio Pastor Kranwinkel (CPK). The school has suffered no damage. Antonia Santiago and Erasmus of Paradera 75B, large parts of their roof lost to the tornado. At the end of the day was the shock still good. Emotionally, the couple told how they were startled by wind, rain and noise and how within minutes of the roof were gone. "All in all it took about five to seven minutes," said Santiago. 
::snipping2::
Around the corner from the Erasmus family, at Colegio Kranwinkel Father, the great relief.

"Fortunately, we have no damage to the school and we came away unscathed," said headmaster Andres Rasmijn. All children were shocked and started to scream when the tornado swept through, but Rasmijn is satisfied with the actions of the teachers. "They all have their children leave the table, away from windows. We could not go out and it all happened so quickly, "said Rasmijn. Most children were picked up yesterday by their parents when they heard about the tornado. Today, the school just opened and classes resumed.
DOW and Elmar came to record the damage and where necessary restore, just like the fire department. By the flying roof was damaged and a lamppost wiring hit. This left the area without power here. Premier Mike Eman (AVP) is also yesterday afternoon to put the residents were heartened to a stabbing.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Anna on May 19, 2011, 11:10:01 PM
http://peru21.pe/noticia/756260/acuerdo-beneficiaria-van-der-sloot

Google translation:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/05122011_Peru21_Joran.jpg)


Heh, heh!  I never thought this would apply to murder but nice to see it confirmed.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 19, 2011, 11:19:12 PM
I think this may be the same case where the girl ended up pregnant by the stepfather!  I've been mad about it for a while now!  I'm glad they're appealing that ridiculously low sentence.

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

http://www.amigoe.com/PDF%20amigoearu/19-05-2011a.pdf

Google translation:

OM to appeal against teen abuser

ORANGE CITY - The Public Prosecution (OM) wants a man a higher penalty of Judge gets for abusing his stepdaughter. The Attorney General claimed in higher job 2.5 years prison. The man received a half because of the court years imprisonment. According to the Attorney General, there are similar litigation today, although the higher court penalty imposed. Addition he found a higher penalty place to jointly signal to the society that is not can. The lawyer who stepfather stood by, said his client feels responsible for what he has done and asked Court order imposed previously punishment to maintain.
The man known in the previous lawsuit debt the abuse. But He stated however that it is something happened less frequently than what the girl said.  The abuse occurred for the period from August 2009 until May 2010.  The girl was thirteen years. According to a statement by the Court explained to the man, the girl's stepfather her twice a week abused. Her stepfather says that two once a month and went in the period about seven or eight times happened. He said himself to the girl had rape them when the mother the girl, his wife, with another child Colombia had gone to since receiving medical care. The children were then temporarily by family collected and the stepdaughter came on an evening to him. Then he could not control, he said.  The Court shall at the end of the month award.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 19, 2011, 11:22:44 PM
Hi Anna!   ::HelloKitty::

Great to see you!   ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 19, 2011, 11:28:02 PM
Kinda like turning the radar off for a while huh?   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.amigoe.com/PDF%20amigoearu/19-05-2011a.pdf

Google translation:

Man arrested with drugs at airport

ORANGE CITY - The customs sniffer dog knew yesterday afternoon to intercept drugs. The amount and type of drug is still unknown.  The drug was found in a man on the verge plane to the Netherlands address. The drug was hidden in a shampoo bottle when During an inspection of the sniffer dog would be successful. The man is arrested and handed over to police.

Meanwhile yesterday shows that among the customs staff dissatisfaction. This is because the lead a sniffer dog took out of service due to The age of the animal, while there is no good substitute would be. The staff is disagree because dog still good job earlier and another 200 kilos of drugs on a boat was able to detect. Sada customs union has In any case, yesterday gathered to this point see what steps they can to bring about a solution.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 20, 2011, 02:06:41 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon.jpg)

and Stephany!
 ::justice2NJ::
 



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 20, 2011, 03:51:41 AM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.coolaruba.com/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=39

PartySquad @ Nikky Beach 14may2011

http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=1767780

(http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1767781&g2_serialNumber=4)


(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/Sebastian/05142011_NikkyBeach_Partysquad_2_-1.jpg)



http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=1767488

(http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1767489&g2_serialNumber=4)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/Sebastian/05142011_NikkyBeach_Partysquad_15_-1.jpg)



http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=1767548

(http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1767549&g2_serialNumber=4)


(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/Sebastian/05142011_NikkyBeach_Partysquad_16_-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 20, 2011, 03:54:18 AM
Some of the other ISA students around him are seniors, Sebastian's a sophomore.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on May 20, 2011, 09:09:24 AM
Like I've said before, Sebas scares me.  IMO we will be reading about him one day and not in a good way.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on May 20, 2011, 09:24:42 AM
Like I've said before, Sebas scares me.  IMO we will be reading about him one day and not in a good way.


ITA


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 20, 2011, 10:05:02 AM
Extradition treaty could allow Van der Sloot to return to HollandFrom Mayra Cuevas, In Session
May 14, 2011 -- Updated 0042 GMT


(CNN) -- An extradition treaty signed this week between the Netherlands and Peru could open the door for Joran Van der Sloot to return to his native country if convicted in the death of a 21-year-old Peruvian woman.

A spokesman with Peru's foreign ministry, Gonzalo Portals Zubiate, said Friday that the treaty -- which allows some Dutch nationals sentenced to time in Peru to serve their sentences in Europe, with the inverse for Peruvians convicted in Holland -- has nothing to do with Van der Sloot, specifically. Still, the suspect's attorney acknowledged it could affect him.

"Joran knows about the treaty," said Maximo Altez, the lawyer who is representing Van der Sloot in Peru. "Whether he requests an extradition will depend on his sentence."

<snipped>

Van der Sloot, 23, moved from Holland to Aruba as a child and returned to his homeland for several years to attend college. Since he is a Dutch national, he could eventually request extradition based on a treaty signed Thursday by Peruvian Foreign Minister José Antonio García Belaúnde and his Dutch counterpart Uri Rosenthal.

"The treaty allows (Dutch) residents ... who have been sentenced to prison by final and unappealable judgment in Peru to serve their sentence" in the Netherlands, Holland's foreign ministry explained on its website. "Peruvians who are in prison anywhere in the (Netherlands) are also entitled to invoke the treaty.

That deal still must be approved by both nations' legislatures to take effect. If it is, both countries are obligated to act on detainees' requests to return to their native Netherlands or Peru.

"It is a treaty so that sentenced prisoners may finish their sentence in their own country," Portals said.

Altez said he would advise Van der Sloot to apply for extradition if he's convicted "under the violent emotion defense" -- meaning a jury could determine he snapped and killed Flores, but didn't plan it out. In that case, he'd likely get a three-to-five year sentence, which he wouldn't appeal, Altez said.

"If he gets a higher sentence" -- such as what amounts to premeditated murder -- "we will probably appeal" and not request extradition, said Altez. That's because once Van der Sloot leaves Peru to serve his time in the Netherlands, it would be more difficult to appeal his sentence.

<snipped>

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=post;topic=9630.560;num_replies=573


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 20, 2011, 10:17:56 AM
I have a hinky feeling that the road headed back to the Netherlands is being paved for Joran van der Sloot.  I hope I am wrong but ....

Janet

+++++

May 16, 2011 11:28 AM
Will Joran van der Sloot be returned to Netherlands?


CBS/AP) THE HAGUE, Netherlands - Under an agreement signed Thursday, Dutch murder suspect Joran van der Sloot could serve part of his sentence in the Netherlands if he is convicted of the murder of Peruvian Stephany Flores.

<snipped>

The foreign ministers of the two countries agreed that Dutch prisoners in Peru and Peruvians jailed in the Netherlands can apply to complete their prison terms in their homeland once their appeal process has been completed.

Peruvian prisons now hold 117 Dutch citizens, mostly serving time for drugs offenses. It was not immediately clear how many Peruvians are in Dutch jails.

<snipped>

Under the accord, if a prisoner received a longer sentence in Peru than the maximum under Dutch law, the sentence would be reduced, the Dutch ministry said. But each country has the right to deny the prisoner's transfer request.

The deal signed must be approved by both countries' parliaments.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20063203-504083.html





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: grace-land on May 20, 2011, 01:22:01 PM
Not sure of the importance but this was just filed on the 16th:

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3317/5734455281_e31a4d74bb_b.jpg)

Hmmmm--Can the defendants be planning to follow up 437c (m) (1) with 437c (m) (2) ?


http://law.onecle.com/california/civil-procedure/437c.html

 ::snipping2::

(m) (1) A summary judgment entered under this section is an
appealable judgment as in other cases. Upon entry of any order
pursuant to this section, except the entry of summary judgment, a
party may, within 20 days after service upon him or her of a written
notice of entry of the order, petition an appropriate reviewing court
for a peremptory writ. If the notice is served by mail, the initial
period within which to file the petition shall be increased by five
days if the place of address is within the State of California, 10
days if the place of address is outside the State of California but
within the United States, and 20 days if the place of address is
outside the United States. If the notice is served by facsimile
transmission, Express Mail, or another method of delivery providing
for overnight delivery, the initial period within which to file the
petition shall be increased by two court days. The superior court
may, for good cause, and prior to the expiration of the initial
period, extend the time for one additional period not to exceed 10
days.
   (2) Before a reviewing court affirms an order granting summary
judgment or summary adjudication on a ground not relied upon by the
trial court, the reviewing court shall afford the parties an
opportunity to present their views on the issue by submitting
supplemental briefs. The supplemental briefing may include an
argument that additional evidence relating to that ground exists, but
that the party has not had an adequate opportunity to present the
evidence or to conduct discovery on the issue. The court may reverse
or remand based upon the supplemental briefing to allow the parties
to present additional evidence or to conduct discovery on the issue.
If the court fails to allow supplemental briefing, a rehearing shall
be ordered upon timely petition of any party.

 ::snipping2::


Thanks, Grace-land!   ::MonkeyCool::

So, if "reviewing court" means "appeals court" as its known to most laypeople, then this would mean that Dr. Phil's team has appealed the denial of the summary judgement?

Am I reading this right?



IIRC, the motion for summary judgment of April 11 was continued by the order of the court; and no new documents have been posted at SM that the court denied it.  I think that Dr. Phil is asking for an extension in order to set up for a summary judgment with additional information to dismiss the case.  I hope that I made sense...I'm no legal eagle. lol


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 20, 2011, 01:38:33 PM
Not sure of the importance but this was just filed on the 16th:

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3317/5734455281_e31a4d74bb_b.jpg)

Hmmmm--Can the defendants be planning to follow up 437c (m) (1) with 437c (m) (2) ?


http://law.onecle.com/california/civil-procedure/437c.html

 ::snipping2::

(m) (1) A summary judgment entered under this section is an
appealable judgment as in other cases. Upon entry of any order
pursuant to this section, except the entry of summary judgment, a
party may, within 20 days after service upon him or her of a written
notice of entry of the order, petition an appropriate reviewing court
for a peremptory writ. If the notice is served by mail, the initial
period within which to file the petition shall be increased by five
days if the place of address is within the State of California, 10
days if the place of address is outside the State of California but
within the United States, and 20 days if the place of address is
outside the United States. If the notice is served by facsimile
transmission, Express Mail, or another method of delivery providing
for overnight delivery, the initial period within which to file the
petition shall be increased by two court days. The superior court
may, for good cause, and prior to the expiration of the initial
period, extend the time for one additional period not to exceed 10
days.
   (2) Before a reviewing court affirms an order granting summary
judgment or summary adjudication on a ground not relied upon by the
trial court, the reviewing court shall afford the parties an
opportunity to present their views on the issue by submitting
supplemental briefs. The supplemental briefing may include an
argument that additional evidence relating to that ground exists, but
that the party has not had an adequate opportunity to present the
evidence or to conduct discovery on the issue. The court may reverse
or remand based upon the supplemental briefing to allow the parties
to present additional evidence or to conduct discovery on the issue.
If the court fails to allow supplemental briefing, a rehearing shall
be ordered upon timely petition of any party.

 ::snipping2::


Thanks, Grace-land!   ::MonkeyCool::

So, if "reviewing court" means "appeals court" as its known to most laypeople, then this would mean that Dr. Phil's team has appealed the denial of the summary judgement?

Am I reading this right?



IIRC, the motion for summary judgment of April 11 was continued by the order of the court; and no new documents have been posted at SM that the court denied it.  I think that Dr. Phil is asking for an extension in order to set up for a summary judgment with additional information to dismiss the case.  I hope that I made sense...I'm no legal eagle. lol


 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: SuzieQ on May 20, 2011, 01:48:58 PM
Some of the other ISA students around him are seniors, Sebastian's a sophomore.


He's looking more and more like Joran every day.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 20, 2011, 03:03:03 PM
Like I've said before, Sebas scares me.  IMO we will be reading about him one day and not in a good way.
::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on May 20, 2011, 04:44:24 PM
(http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/4742/cremer3.png)
MR. CREMER "THEY HIRE THE BEST"

WELL, MR. CREMER YOU JUST CAN'T WIN CASES ON TRYING TO PLAY THE POOR DOG IN THE PONY SHOW.
YOU NEED TO LEARN TO USE LAW - MEMORIZE THEM OR USE SOME INDEX CARDS MAN. YOU LOOK STUPID
SAYING THIS KIND OF STUFF imo about DR. PHILS ATTORNEY, MR. BABCOCK.  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on May 20, 2011, 04:45:23 PM
Cremer referrs to Dr.Phil as "GOLDEN BOY"

Shoot I think that's slander, we all know Dr. Phil is THE DAWG!
 ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on May 20, 2011, 04:48:21 PM
(http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/1664/cremer.png)
MR. CREMER TELLS THE JUDGE THIS CROCK- POOR LITTLE KID DEEPAK

TRUTH:
WHO IS 21 YEARS OLD WHEN HE & HIS BROTHER, SATISH, AND accused MURDERER, JORAN VAN DER SLOOT,
TOOK NATALEE HOLLOWAY IN DEEPAKS' CAR, then lied, and she's never been found!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on May 20, 2011, 04:50:00 PM
(http://imageshack.us/m/830/6533/cremer2.png)
The Kalpoe brothers were previously jailed in the case, but were rearrested last week and charged with being involved in the "voluntary manslaughter" of Holloway.

The judge reasoned Friday that "the new evidence, together with the existing evidence in this case, produce serious grounds for the suspicion of some kind of aiding and abetting, of covering up the traces of a crime committed or of the disposing of a corpse," prosecutors said. [/u]
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/11/30/aruba.holloway/index.html
 ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on May 20, 2011, 05:38:06 PM
* lawsuit filed by Kalpoes against Dr. Phil Dec. 13, 2006

* ROGER REDMOND AKA SCRUX POSTED JANUARY 20, 2006
"i received the recording directly from the Aruba Police Department.  I was told that it is exactly what was provided to the NFI (Netherlands Forensic Institute) and verified as having not been manipulated in any way. It was my understanding that the same recording that I received had also been provided (prior to my receiving it) to the major media networks and cable channels, and while some networks broadcast tiny segments (and often misinterpreted those), none of them hosted the entire recording on their websites
http://www.scrux.com/discuss/viewtopic.php?t=118



WAS THIS A SET UP?

12-01-05 Rita Cosby Live and Direct
ARLENE ELLIS SCHIPPER, ARUBAN STRATEGIC COMM. TASK FORCE: Well, it's not what I think, it is what the Dutch forensic institute thinks and what we have also requested the FBI to confirm, which confirmation we haven't received yet. However, the NFI had four investigators separately look at these tapes, and they say that the Dr. Phil show tapes were edited for content in the following order. Just before the word she, there was a cut. And just after the word did, there was a cut. 

And then they compared it to the CD-ROM that Mr. Skeeters sent the officials, and you have seen that piece, and it says, No, she didn't. And he shakes his head while doing while saying that .
 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/ 



WHEN PLAYED, ARUBA'S VERSION SOUNDS LIKE IT SAYS "NO, SHE DIDNT" 

COSBY: And now this is what Aruban officials sent us late today. 

Take a listen. 

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP) 

SKEETERS: I'm sure she had sex with all of you and (INAUDIBLE) 

KALPOE: No, she didn't. You'd be surprised how simple it would have been.(END AUDIO CLIP) 




SCHIPPER TRIES TO TELL US THIS IS NOT THE ARUBAN TAPE, IT WAS TAKEN DIRECTLY FROM THE CD ROM THAT MR. SKEETERS SENT TO THE POLICE

SCHIPPER: First of all -- well, he said -- I saw the viewing. I saw the CD-ROM, and he says, No, she didn`t, and he nods his head. He shakes his head no. He has nonverbal communication confirming his denial. However, I want to set something straight. You keep calling this the Aruban tape. This is not the Aruban tape. 
DIMOND: Where did it come from? 
SCHIPPER: Yes, we sent it to you, but it was taken directly from the CD-ROM that Mr. Skeeters sent to the police here, and that is... 
snip 
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0512/01/ng.01.html 



12-01-05 ABRAMS REPORT 

WHEN PLAYED, DR PHIL VERSION SOUNDS LIKE IT SAYS "SHE DID" 

And now you can try to figure it out along with us. Now listen very carefully. First, the portion of the interview as played on the Dr. Phil show. This is the one that initially caused the controversy. 

(BEGIN AUDIOTAPE) 

JAMIE SKEETERS, POLYGRAPH EXPERT: And the question I'll ask you is, if you intentionally killed her? 

DEEPAK KALPOE, SUSPECT IN NATALEE HOLLOWAY・S DISAPPEARANCE: No. 

SKEETERS: If it was an accident, I can help all of you and if you guys were partying, even if somebody had given her a date drug, I'm sure she had sex with all of you. 

KALPOE: She did. You'd be surprised how simple it was. 

(END AUDIOTAPE) 


WHEN PLAYED, THE SKEETERS VERSION SOUNDS LIKE IT SAYS "SHE DID" 

ABRAMS: All right, next here's a portion of the interview provided to us by Jamie Skeeters, the polygraph experts who was the one who actually interviewed Kalpoe. 

(BEGIN AUDIOTAPE) 

SKEETERS: Nobody told her that you can't (EXPLETIVE DELETED) her. 

You know? I mean and I'm sure she had sex with all of you. 

KALPOE: She did. You would be surprised how simple it was that night. 

(END AUDIOTAPE) 
*** from later in the show brought up to show it came from skeeters 

ABRAMS: All right. Let me do this. I'm going to play now in order all three. I'm going to play Jamie Skeeters' version again, that's the actual one we got. We went to Jamie Skeeters' office and recorded exactly what he had on his hard drive. Then I want to play the version that Arlene has sent to us. 


WHEN PLAYED, ARUBA'S VERSION SOUNDS LIKE IT SAYS "NO, SHE DIDNT" 

ABRAMS: And now this. Just hours ago e-mailed to us from the Aruban authorities. 

(BEGIN AUDIOTAPE) 

SKEETERS: Nobody told her that you can't (EXPLETIVE DELETED). You know? I mean and I'm sure she had sex with all of you. 

KALPOE: No, she didn't. You would be surprised how simple it would have been. 
(END AUDIOTAPE) 




THESE 2 VERSIONS OF "NO SHE DIDN'T" ARE PLAYED LATER IN THE ABRAMS SHOW
 

ABRAMS: Boy that sure sounds like she did and you wouldn't it was really easy. All right. Now, this is the version that we got from Arlene in Aruba and I have to tell you, it sounds different.[/i] 

(BEGIN AUDIOTAPE) 

SKEETERS: Nobody told her that you can't (EXPLETIVE DELETED). You know? I mean and I'm sure she had sex with all of you. 

KALPOE: No, she didn't. You would be surprised how simple it was that night. 
(END AUDIOTAPE) 




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on May 20, 2011, 05:57:35 PM
(http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/4338/areleneshippers.jpg)
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9215.msg1316178#msg1316178


WHO IS BEHIND THE KALPOE LAWSUIT?


*Steve Cohen stated, that TWO of them admitted to having sex with Natalee.

* Arlene Ellis-Schippers related to Gudio Wever who was arrested on battery charges in the Natalee Holloway case. 

* Arlene Ellis-Schipper on the CMB bank of directors 

* Arlene Ellis-Schipper friend of Paulus van der Sloot

* Arlene Ellis-Schipper member of the Aruban Strategic Communications Task Force


* Arlene Ellis-Schipper lied on national TV saying she has a tape of Beth talking to the Prosecutor - a meeting that never took place. 

* The Skeeters tape was given to Sam Redmond he stated, by a friend in the Aruba polis dept., and he uploaded it to the
internet



THE IP THAT SENT THE EMAIL TO CAPS TO COME TO THE FREEBIRDS BLOG IS KAWISH MISIER.

Kawish Misier is friends with Deepak, Satish along with Joran, Kawish’s father owns numerous properties on the island and numerous car rental agencies. Kawish would have access to these vehicles.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2103.220

Kalpoe brothers friends of Kawish Misier
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7018.415;wap2

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2014%20122009/12262009DeepakKalpoe_KawishMisierDJ.jpg)
DEEPAK KALPOE AND KAWISH MISIER



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on May 20, 2011, 06:00:24 PM
(http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/4338/areleneshippers.jpg)
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9215.msg1316178#msg1316178


WHO IS BEHIND THE KALPOE LAWSUIT?


*Steve Cohen stated, that TWO of them admitted to having sex with Natalee.

* Arlene Ellis-Schippers related to Gudio Wever who was arrested on battery charges in the Natalee Holloway case. 

* Arlene Ellis-Schipper on the CMB bank of directors 

* Arlene Ellis-Schipper friend of Paulus van der Sloot

* Arlene Ellis-Schipper member of the Aruban Strategic Communications Task Force


* Arlene Ellis-Schipper lied on national TV saying she has a tape of Beth talking to the Prosecutor - a meeting that never took place. 

* The Skeeters tape was given to Sam Redmond he stated, by a friend in the Aruba polis dept., and he uploaded it to the
internet



THE IP THAT SENT THE EMAIL TO CAPS TO COME TO THE FREEBIRDS BLOG IS KAWISH MISIER.

Kawish Misier is friends with Deepak, Satish along with Joran, Kawish’s father owns numerous properties on the island and numerous car rental agencies. Kawish would have access to these vehicles.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2103.220

Kalpoe brothers friends of Kawish Misier
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7018.415;wap2

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2014%20122009/12262009DeepakKalpoe_KawishMisierDJ.jpg)
DEEPAK KALPOE AND KAWISH MISIER



CAPS (FRIEND OF KAWISH WHO IS FRIENDS WITH KALPOES)

RECAP: Capslockwizard is the man who also worked with Mark Purcell to send Dave Holloway communications that he knew where his daughter was buried and they provided a false witness which costs Dave thousands of dollars to send Fred Golba to search a pond in Aruba which revealed nothing.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 20, 2011, 06:40:13 PM
FOOD FOR THOUGHT

 ::FlyingFrog::

Ribbit!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 20, 2011, 07:10:09 PM
I am on the fence in regards to whether or not the Phil McGraw recording was deceptively manpulated but ... I stand on a firm foundation when I contend that Deepak, Satish and Joran were not defamed.

Janet

+++++


Libel Proof

Surinamese brothers sue Dr. Phil for defamation
Daily News Wire
Article Last Updated: 06/13/2008 08:52:49 AM PDT


<snipped>

A lawsuit filed in December 2006 by Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe maintains they were defamed in a Sept. 15, 2005, "Dr. Phil" show, when it was alleged they gave Holloway a date-rape drug and had non- consensual group sex with her. They also contend the episode implied they helped kill Holloway and dispose of her body.

The "Dr. Phil" segment included statements by Deepak Kalpoe that were "significantly manipulated and altered," the suit alleges. In addition to defamation, the Kalpoes' suit alleges invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

But in court papers filed Wednesday, attorneys for CBS, McGraw and Kay Skeeters -- widow of Jeremy Skeeters, a private investigator hired by McGraw to interview Deepak Kalpoe -- maintain the brothers are "libel-proof."

They say the brothers' reputations were irreparably stained by prior published accounts of the Holloway case, meaning they cannot claim to have been damaged by the "Dr. Phil" broadcast.

<snipped>

The brothers also did not ask for a correction of the "Dr. Phil" broadcast in time and are limited public figures, meaning they have to prove malice by CBS and the other defendants, the defense attorneys argue.

http://origin.dailynews.com/breakingnews/ci_9575645

Kermit - Scared Monkeys


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 20, 2011, 07:57:29 PM
I am on the fence in regards to whether or not the Phil McGraw recording was deceptively manpulated but ... I stand on a firm foundation when I contend that Deepak, Satish and Joran were not defamed.

Janet

+++++


Libel Proof

Surinamese brothers sue Dr. Phil for defamation
Daily News Wire
Article Last Updated: 06/13/2008 08:52:49 AM PDT


<snipped>

A lawsuit filed in December 2006 by Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe maintains they were defamed in a Sept. 15, 2005, "Dr. Phil" show, when it was alleged they gave Holloway a date-rape drug and had non- consensual group sex with her. They also contend the episode implied they helped kill Holloway and dispose of her body.

The "Dr. Phil" segment included statements by Deepak Kalpoe that were "significantly manipulated and altered," the suit alleges. In addition to defamation, the Kalpoes' suit alleges invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

But in court papers filed Wednesday, attorneys for CBS, McGraw and Kay Skeeters -- widow of Jeremy Skeeters, a private investigator hired by McGraw to interview Deepak Kalpoe -- maintain the brothers are "libel-proof."

They say the brothers' reputations were irreparably stained by prior published accounts of the Holloway case, meaning they cannot claim to have been damaged by the "Dr. Phil" broadcast.

<snipped>

The brothers also did not ask for a correction of the "Dr. Phil" broadcast in time and are limited public figures, meaning they have to prove malice by CBS and the other defendants, the defense attorneys argue.

http://origin.dailynews.com/breakingnews/ci_9575645

Kermit - Scared Monkeys


I hope it is a pickett fence.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 20, 2011, 10:53:42 PM
http://www.rpp.com.pe/2011-05-12-fbi-permitira-profundizar-crimen-de-stephany-flores-afirma-su-padre-noticia_364966.html

Google translation:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/05122011_RPP_Joran1.jpg)(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/05122011_RPP_Joran2.jpg)(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/05122011_RPP_Joran3.jpg)

::snipping2::
Quote
In turn, the criminal lawyer Julio Rodriguez, RPP News said that the agreement is limited to the issue of drug trafficking and all forms related to such crimes.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 20, 2011, 11:10:59 PM
 ::MonkeyWink::

resigned Posted: Fri May 13, 2011 6:00 pm   

Quote
Wouldn'ty surprise me if Joran changed his story that he killed Stephany in a drug trade gone bad. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 20, 2011, 11:25:39 PM
Cremer referrs to Dr.Phil as "GOLDEN BOY"

Shoot I think that's slander, we all know Dr. Phil is THE DAWG!
 ::monkeywine2::
::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 21, 2011, 01:41:45 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/06302010_StephanyMemorial_1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/06032010_funeralmomdad3.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/06032010_funeral_kissgoodbye.jpg)

::justice2NJ::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 21, 2011, 01:58:52 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/bethandnatalee_01-1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/06032005b.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/jorancaughtontape1-1.jpg)

::justice2NJ::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 21, 2011, 12:39:14 PM
http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Van-der-Sloot-pal-cops-a-plea-in-Peru/jdO0bsJolEuLPyIdYQ75mw.cspx

Van der Sloot pal cops a plea in Peru
   
Birmingham, Ala (WIAT)  One of Joran van der Sloot's prison pals has plead no contest to charges he murdered his Peruvian wife.

William Trickett Smith and van der Sloot are linked in the minds of many in Peru as foreigners who murdered Peruvian women.  Smith, a Pennsylvania native admited killing Jana Claudia Gomez Menendez, the 21-year-old Peruvian woman he met in an Internet chatroom and married in March 2007.

Her dismembered body was put in a suitcase and dumped in the ocean.  The luggage washed up on shore of a Lima, Peru beach after an earthquake.  Her parents identified her by means of a butterfly tatoo.

Smith accepted a 35 year prison sentence.  Peru does not have a death penalty but online comments about the Smith case include frequent calls for capital punishment in murder cases.  There has been particular outrage about cases where foreigners kill Peruvian woman...including Joran van Sloot's case.

Smith and Joran van der Sloot were also seen together in what became a notorious cell block photo mugging for the camera with other accused killers.
 ::snipping2::

(http://www.cbs42.com/media/lib/124/8/7/6/876480f8-9820-4b0e-b0f8-ed95006c7bf5/Story.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 21, 2011, 02:01:04 PM
Article from June 2010, Jossy Mansur interviewed

http://www.rpp.com.pe/2010-06-08-van-der-sloot-es-un-psicopata-y-no-puede-controlar-su-ira-afirman-noticia_270742.html

Google translation:

Tuesday, June 8, 2010 | 10:09 a.m. hrs

Van der Sloot is a psychopath and can not control their anger, they say

"We have quantities of evidence and confirmation from their school teachers who leave no doubt," he told RPP Jossy Mansur, editor of The Journal of Aruba.

Since the Dutch Joran Van der Sloor set foot in Peru is a story that is still minute in Aruba, where the crime of Natalee Holloway U.S. occurred in 2005 on the Caribbean island has not yet been resolved.

In a conversation with RPP, Jossy Mansur, editor of The Journal of Aruba, said that substantial evidence on which Van der Sloot is a psychopath and showing an "uncontrollable rage", so that the subject had confessed on Monday that killed Stephany Flores not surprised.

Meanwhile, Aruba police resumed the search for the remains of the young Holloway, whose body was thrown into the sea as Van der Sloot version, given in a video without knowing that they were recording.

The journalist said the case was never closed but not prosecute because the body never found.

He stated that at one time tourists some remains at sea in Aruba but after the expertise is determined that the bones found do not correspond to a human.

"It is acting on behalf of the Public Ministry or any information or witness statements that arise," he said.

Argued that the case in Peru is very important for the in Aruba because it indicates a modus operandi of the Dutch.

About foreigner said he is a psychopath who consistently demonstrates his actions, an uncontrollable rage.


The news man said that during the time that Van der Sloot was educated in the island, his fellow abused children, even recalled that he once threw a man overboard from a bridge.

"We have quantities of evidence and confirmation from their school teachers who leave no doubt that it is a guy who can not control the anger in it," he said.


He felt that Anita Van der Sloot, mother of confessed murderer, would come to Peru but for the moment the woman would be in Aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 21, 2011, 02:43:10 PM
::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on May 21, 2011, 02:51:59 PM
I am on the fence in regards to whether or not the Phil McGraw recording was deceptively manpulated but ... I stand on a firm foundation when I contend that Deepak, Satish and Joran were not defamed.

Janet

+++++


Libel Proof

Surinamese brothers sue Dr. Phil for defamation
Daily News Wire
Article Last Updated: 06/13/2008 08:52:49 AM PDT


<snipped>

A lawsuit filed in December 2006 by Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe maintains they were defamed in a Sept. 15, 2005, "Dr. Phil" show, when it was alleged they gave Holloway a date-rape drug and had non- consensual group sex with her. They also contend the episode implied they helped kill Holloway and dispose of her body.

The "Dr. Phil" segment included statements by Deepak Kalpoe that were "significantly manipulated and altered," the suit alleges. In addition to defamation, the Kalpoes' suit alleges invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

But in court papers filed Wednesday, attorneys for CBS, McGraw and Kay Skeeters -- widow of Jeremy Skeeters, a private investigator hired by McGraw to interview Deepak Kalpoe -- maintain the brothers are "libel-proof."

They say the brothers' reputations were irreparably stained by prior published accounts of the Holloway case, meaning they cannot claim to have been damaged by the "Dr. Phil" broadcast.

<snipped>

The brothers also did not ask for a correction of the "Dr. Phil" broadcast in time and are limited public figures, meaning they have to prove malice by CBS and the other defendants, the defense attorneys argue.

http://origin.dailynews.com/breakingnews/ci_9575645

Kermit - Scared Monkeys


Charles Babcock is talking to the judge in these latest court documents along with Kalpoe attorney Cremer, & he has a firm grasp on the Natalee case and the law. It is IMPRESSIVE. He sites law after law that upholds/supports what he states and Kalpoe attorney, Cremer doesn't do that - he attacks Babcock personally and even admits that Babcock gets the best. I was laughing and laughing when I read it. Cremer is trying to paint a picture that the Kalpoes were just kids who were duped by the adults and especially Larry Garrison. BUT then when you read that there is evidence in the court records that Deepak was soliciting some other book deal publishing company & Amazon - it's laughable that any jury would award them a dime. And he says that they don't have a penny to their name.
Someone, I'm sure can pull up how Paulus PAID & HIRED attorney's for Kalpoe brothers.

Good, well seasoned attorney's know the law to support their clients case.  This document gives insight into how Kalpoe attorney's will most likely conduct their trial testimony/evidence and witnesses.

I expect now to see the Kalpoe brothers skipping into court just to act like their little poor kids.

Janet, they have to prove defamation & in order to do that - they have to prove they were not public figures that the public had an interest in. There are a plethora of documents that the court has which shows the diligence of the Dr. Phil attorney's google, scared monkeys, freebirds and ALL the media accounts. Shoot-fire if the Kalpoe brothers hadn't of gotten Natalee in their car and then disappeared her, then spent 10 days lying to the Aruba Polis, I highly doubt I would have ever known who they were. They brought it on themselves.  IF they did nothing wrong, then tell the truth. They choose to create false alibis and lies because they dropped a girl off at the beach? Baloney.






Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 21, 2011, 02:58:36 PM
Those twin Leprachauns will run out of Lucky Charms if they come to court in the U.S.A! I'm waiting to watch Dr.Phil's attornys eat a BIG bowl of Lucky Charms courtesy of the those Leprechauns!



::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 21, 2011, 03:02:35 PM
Article from June 2010, Jossy Mansur interviewed

http://www.rpp.com.pe/2010-06-08-van-der-sloot-es-un-psicopata-y-no-puede-controlar-su-ira-afirman-noticia_270742.html

Google translation:

Tuesday, June 8, 2010 | 10:09 a.m. hrs

Van der Sloot is a psychopath and can not control their anger, they say

"We have quantities of evidence and confirmation from their school teachers who leave no doubt," he told RPP Jossy Mansur, editor of The Journal of Aruba.

Since the Dutch Joran Van der Sloor set foot in Peru is a story that is still minute in Aruba, where the crime of Natalee Holloway U.S. occurred in 2005 on the Caribbean island has not yet been resolved.

In a conversation with RPP, Jossy Mansur, editor of The Journal of Aruba, said that substantial evidence on which Van der Sloot is a psychopath and showing an "uncontrollable rage", so that the subject had confessed on Monday that killed Stephany Flores not surprised.

Meanwhile, Aruba police resumed the search for the remains of the young Holloway, whose body was thrown into the sea as Van der Sloot version, given in a video without knowing that they were recording.

The journalist said the case was never closed but not prosecute because the body never found.

He stated that at one time tourists some remains at sea in Aruba but after the expertise is determined that the bones found do not correspond to a human.

"It is acting on behalf of the Public Ministry or any information or witness statements that arise," he said.

Argued that the case in Peru is very important for the in Aruba because it indicates a modus operandi of the Dutch.

About foreigner said he is a psychopath who consistently demonstrates his actions, an uncontrollable rage.


The news man said that during the time that Van der Sloot was educated in the island, his fellow abused children, even recalled that he once threw a man overboard from a bridge.

"We have quantities of evidence and confirmation from their school teachers who leave no doubt that it is a guy who can not control the anger in it," he said.


He felt that Anita Van der Sloot, mother of confessed murderer, would come to Peru but for the moment the woman would be in Aruba.


http://crime.about.com/b/2005/09/06/joran-van-der-sloot-leaves-aruba.htm

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/09062005_JoranLeavesAruba1.jpg)(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/09062005_JoranLeavesAruba2.jpg)(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/09062005_JoranLeavesAruba3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on May 21, 2011, 03:02:38 PM
I am on the fence in regards to whether or not the Phil McGraw recording was deceptively manpulated but ... I stand on a firm foundation when I contend that Deepak, Satish and Joran were not defamed.

Janet

+++++


Libel Proof

Surinamese brothers sue Dr. Phil for defamation
Daily News Wire
Article Last Updated: 06/13/2008 08:52:49 AM PDT


<snipped>

A lawsuit filed in December 2006 by Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe maintains they were defamed in a Sept. 15, 2005, "Dr. Phil" show, when it was alleged they gave Holloway a date-rape drug and had non- consensual group sex with her. They also contend the episode implied they helped kill Holloway and dispose of her body.

The "Dr. Phil" segment included statements by Deepak Kalpoe that were "significantly manipulated and altered," the suit alleges. In addition to defamation, the Kalpoes' suit alleges invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

But in court papers filed Wednesday, attorneys for CBS, McGraw and Kay Skeeters -- widow of Jeremy Skeeters, a private investigator hired by McGraw to interview Deepak Kalpoe -- maintain the brothers are "libel-proof."

They say the brothers' reputations were irreparably stained by prior published accounts of the Holloway case, meaning they cannot claim to have been damaged by the "Dr. Phil" broadcast.

<snipped>

The brothers also did not ask for a correction of the "Dr. Phil" broadcast in time and are limited public figures, meaning they have to prove malice by CBS and the other defendants, the defense attorneys argue.

http://origin.dailynews.com/breakingnews/ci_9575645

Kermit - Scared Monkeys


I hope it is a pickett fence.


I love you Miss Magnolia and I KNOW you are a lady so I say this with love.
I know what it is like to be attacked, hated, maligned, threatened etc etc.
And I try to remember we all have a right to our own opinions, judgments, thoughts etc. but its hurtful to be mean on purpose
ribbit


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 21, 2011, 03:30:48 PM
Scared Monkeys Video Deepak Kalpoe Lies
klaasend

An innocent person doesn't lie.   ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.youtube.com/v/rZKorQEtQkM?version=3


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 21, 2011, 03:56:38 PM
Some people drive even the nicest, kindest, most compassionate people you could ever know to be what some consider mean;  others might consider it justified.

jmho



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: carpe noctem on May 21, 2011, 04:10:06 PM
I gots special cookie for your "good boy" , Anita. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Hey, it's been 6 years...

Great to see that college investment work out. ::monkeydenied::

Your beloved little jug head bumped the pooch!

See the light, be the light. Smell the coffee... and other things.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 21, 2011, 04:13:23 PM
I hope Phil McGraw's attorney Charles Babcock questions why Steve Cohen's public words went unchallenged by the Kalpoes ... went unchallenged by the financial backers of the defamation lawsuit.

Janet

+++++

Steve Cohen, “Two of the boys said they had consensual sex with her”. REALLY?

In an interview with Travel Video TV, Steve Cohen (Consultant to the Aruban Government) made some rather peculiar and enlightening statements in an attempt to paint Aruba in a brighter light in hopes of stemming the decline of tourism. In a article  designed to help the Aruban tourism from its disastrous decline, Steve Cohen makes a couple of comments that seem to shed some light on some rather debated issues.

<snipped>

“Two of the boys said they had consensual sex with her. Whether consensual or not, depends on her ability to be conscious and make a choice,” said Cohen.

<snipped>

Posted January 18, 2006 by Scared Monkeys

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/01/18/steve-cohen-two-of-the-boys-said-they-had-consensual-sex-with-her-really/



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 21, 2011, 04:22:08 PM
Even if the Phil McGraw recording had been manipulated for ratings ... there is no way that any defamation of the Kalpoes happened on that show.

Janet

+++++

Full Knowlege of the Case

ARUBA TRUTH - December 7, 2005


A coalition of groups announced Friday the appointment of Steve Cohen to act as spokesperson to North American media, in regards to the Natalee Holloway disappearance case.

Mr. Cohen has been part of the Strategic Communications Task Force since its creation in June. He has a full knowledge of the case ....

<snipped>

http://www.arubatruth.com/?p=17


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 21, 2011, 04:47:12 PM
I gots special cookie for your "good boy" , Anita. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Hey, it's been 6 years...

Great to see that college investment work out. ::monkeydenied::

Your beloved little jug head bumped the pooch!

See the light, be the light. Smell the coffee... and other things.
::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 21, 2011, 06:02:23 PM
I am on the fence in regards to whether or not the Phil McGraw recording was deceptively manpulated but ... I stand on a firm foundation when I contend that Deepak, Satish and Joran were not defamed.

Janet

+++++


Libel Proof

Surinamese brothers sue Dr. Phil for defamation
Daily News Wire
Article Last Updated: 06/13/2008 08:52:49 AM PDT


<snipped>

A lawsuit filed in December 2006 by Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe maintains they were defamed in a Sept. 15, 2005, "Dr. Phil" show, when it was alleged they gave Holloway a date-rape drug and had non- consensual group sex with her. They also contend the episode implied they helped kill Holloway and dispose of her body.

The "Dr. Phil" segment included statements by Deepak Kalpoe that were "significantly manipulated and altered," the suit alleges. In addition to defamation, the Kalpoes' suit alleges invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

But in court papers filed Wednesday, attorneys for CBS, McGraw and Kay Skeeters -- widow of Jeremy Skeeters, a private investigator hired by McGraw to interview Deepak Kalpoe -- maintain the brothers are "libel-proof."

They say the brothers' reputations were irreparably stained by prior published accounts of the Holloway case, meaning they cannot claim to have been damaged by the "Dr. Phil" broadcast.

<snipped>

The brothers also did not ask for a correction of the "Dr. Phil" broadcast in time and are limited public figures, meaning they have to prove malice by CBS and the other defendants, the defense attorneys argue.

http://origin.dailynews.com/breakingnews/ci_9575645

Kermit - Scared Monkeys


I hope it is a pickett fence.


I love you Miss Magnolia and I KNOW you are a lady so I say this with love.
I know what it is like to be attacked, hated, maligned, threatened etc etc.
And I try to remember we all have a right to our own opinions, judgments, thoughts etc. but its hurtful to be mean on purpose
ribbit


I love and respect you too, Kermit.
I was not trying to be mean.   I just meant that I hope there were holes in the
fence, so that the truth could get through.
If I was hurtful, I apologize.   I have been trying to stay quiet.
Sometimes it is very hard to read the constant opinions that are posted and bumped
when it is known that most here believe differently.
I do not mean to offend anyone.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: San on May 21, 2011, 06:26:39 PM
I am on the fence in regards to whether or not the Phil McGraw recording was deceptively manpulated but ... I stand on a firm foundation when I contend that Deepak, Satish and Joran were not defamed.

Janet

+++++


Libel Proof

Surinamese brothers sue Dr. Phil for defamation
Daily News Wire
Article Last Updated: 06/13/2008 08:52:49 AM PDT


<snipped>

A lawsuit filed in December 2006 by Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe maintains they were defamed in a Sept. 15, 2005, "Dr. Phil" show, when it was alleged they gave Holloway a date-rape drug and had non- consensual group sex with her. They also contend the episode implied they helped kill Holloway and dispose of her body.

The "Dr. Phil" segment included statements by Deepak Kalpoe that were "significantly manipulated and altered," the suit alleges. In addition to defamation, the Kalpoes' suit alleges invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

But in court papers filed Wednesday, attorneys for CBS, McGraw and Kay Skeeters -- widow of Jeremy Skeeters, a private investigator hired by McGraw to interview Deepak Kalpoe -- maintain the brothers are "libel-proof."

They say the brothers' reputations were irreparably stained by prior published accounts of the Holloway case, meaning they cannot claim to have been damaged by the "Dr. Phil" broadcast.

<snipped>

The brothers also did not ask for a correction of the "Dr. Phil" broadcast in time and are limited public figures, meaning they have to prove malice by CBS and the other defendants, the defense attorneys argue.

http://origin.dailynews.com/breakingnews/ci_9575645

Kermit - Scared Monkeys


I hope it is a pickett fence.


I love you Miss Magnolia and I KNOW you are a lady so I say this with love.
I know what it is like to be attacked, hated, maligned, threatened etc etc.
And I try to remember we all have a right to our own opinions, judgments, thoughts etc. but its hurtful to be mean on purpose
ribbit


I love and respect you too, Kermit.
I was not trying to be mean.   I just meant that I hope there were holes in the
fence, so that the truth could get through.
If I was hurtful, I apologize.   I have been trying to stay quiet.
Sometimes it is very hard to read the constant opinions that are posted and bumped
when it is known that most here believe differently.
I do not mean to offend anyone.

I don't want you to say quiet.  I want you to continue to post like the way you always do.

On a side note did anyone notice the world didn't come to an end.  I made sure all my chores were done too ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 21, 2011, 06:46:01 PM

<snipped by Tamikosmom>

On a side note did anyone notice the world didn't come to an end.  I made sure all my chores were done too  ::MonkeyAngel::

Why?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: grace-land on May 21, 2011, 07:20:32 PM
I just came back from church, and the priest said that he saw a t-shirt with the following message:

Jesus is coming.....

LOOK BUSY!  ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: San on May 21, 2011, 08:09:17 PM

<snipped by Tamikosmom>

On a side note did anyone notice the world didn't come to an end.  I made sure all my chores were done too  ::MonkeyAngel::

Why?


I wanted my house to be clean before it all ended.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 21, 2011, 08:26:33 PM
http://www.diario.aw/2011/05/ladronicia-den-hotel-high-rise/

Papiamentu translation:

ladronicia in hotel high rise

publication: saturday, 21 may 2011.

categoria: policial

oranjestad.(aan): — seguridad at cierto hotelnan have to cuminsa become more attentive. not can is so cu will can have person will is enter in camber of huesped y is desaparece camera come across, celular, 230 dolar y besides laptop

::snipping2::

the madam mericano of inicialnan h.t. of 29 year of edad owing to wordo atendi for personal of strandpolitie (beach police). according madam h.t. owing to count ; police, the abstraction will did take lugar among 3’or y 30 y 5’or y 30 in oranan of marduga. strandpolitie did take the complaint y this have they atencion.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 21, 2011, 08:38:27 PM
http://amigoe.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7799:weer-gewapende-overval&catid=151:artikel-headline-aruba&Itemid=200

Google translation:

Weather armed robbery

Saturday, 21 May 2011 4:27 p.m.

ORANGE CITY - A Chinese supermarket in Sero Pita alarm hit Friday, after two youths committed an armed robbery. It's the supermarket Food Cen.

The two masked and armed pressed into the supermarket and went off on foot. What they have stolen, is not clear. The police brought the case under investigation. Officers look at the picture to a recording of the surveillance camera. In recent months found a striking number of robberies at business. The perpetrators are usually armed with firearms. Whether there are more robberies than previous years, is also unknown. The police and the government, despite requests, has still not released figures.

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/31897-atraco-arma-na-cen-food-mart-na-sero-pita.html

::snipping2::

From surveillance video:

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2011.mei.mei20.atraco.IMG_1956.JPG)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 21, 2011, 08:56:47 PM

<snipped by Tamikosmom>

On a side note did anyone notice the world didn't come to an end.  I made sure all my chores were done too  ::MonkeyAngel::

Why?


I wanted my house to be clean before it all ended.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

If I had really thought it was all going to end today ... I think I would have rather waited it out playing a game of Scrabble rather than cleaning my house house.  The older I get ... the more I hate housework and cooking.  My house is cleanest and the meals are the best when company is coming.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 22, 2011, 01:17:49 AM
I am on the fence in regards to whether or not the Phil McGraw recording was deceptively manpulated but ... I stand on a firm foundation when I contend that Deepak, Satish and Joran were not defamed.

Janet

+++++


Libel Proof

Surinamese brothers sue Dr. Phil for defamation
Daily News Wire
Article Last Updated: 06/13/2008 08:52:49 AM PDT


<snipped>

A lawsuit filed in December 2006 by Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe maintains they were defamed in a Sept. 15, 2005, "Dr. Phil" show, when it was alleged they gave Holloway a date-rape drug and had non- consensual group sex with her. They also contend the episode implied they helped kill Holloway and dispose of her body.

The "Dr. Phil" segment included statements by Deepak Kalpoe that were "significantly manipulated and altered," the suit alleges. In addition to defamation, the Kalpoes' suit alleges invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

But in court papers filed Wednesday, attorneys for CBS, McGraw and Kay Skeeters -- widow of Jeremy Skeeters, a private investigator hired by McGraw to interview Deepak Kalpoe -- maintain the brothers are "libel-proof."

They say the brothers' reputations were irreparably stained by prior published accounts of the Holloway case, meaning they cannot claim to have been damaged by the "Dr. Phil" broadcast.

<snipped>

The brothers also did not ask for a correction of the "Dr. Phil" broadcast in time and are limited public figures, meaning they have to prove malice by CBS and the other defendants, the defense attorneys argue.

http://origin.dailynews.com/breakingnews/ci_9575645

Kermit - Scared Monkeys


I hope it is a pickett fence.


I love you Miss Magnolia and I KNOW you are a lady so I say this with love.
I know what it is like to be attacked, hated, maligned, threatened etc etc.
And I try to remember we all have a right to our own opinions, judgments, thoughts etc. but its hurtful to be mean on purpose
ribbit

ribbit.......


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 22, 2011, 01:33:54 AM
I am on the fence in regards to whether or not the Phil McGraw recording was deceptively manpulated but ... I stand on a firm foundation when I contend that Deepak, Satish and Joran were not defamed.

Janet

+++++


Libel Proof

Surinamese brothers sue Dr. Phil for defamation
Daily News Wire
Article Last Updated: 06/13/2008 08:52:49 AM PDT


<snipped>

A lawsuit filed in December 2006 by Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe maintains they were defamed in a Sept. 15, 2005, "Dr. Phil" show, when it was alleged they gave Holloway a date-rape drug and had non- consensual group sex with her. They also contend the episode implied they helped kill Holloway and dispose of her body.

The "Dr. Phil" segment included statements by Deepak Kalpoe that were "significantly manipulated and altered," the suit alleges. In addition to defamation, the Kalpoes' suit alleges invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

But in court papers filed Wednesday, attorneys for CBS, McGraw and Kay Skeeters -- widow of Jeremy Skeeters, a private investigator hired by McGraw to interview Deepak Kalpoe -- maintain the brothers are "libel-proof."

They say the brothers' reputations were irreparably stained by prior published accounts of the Holloway case, meaning they cannot claim to have been damaged by the "Dr. Phil" broadcast.

<snipped>

The brothers also did not ask for a correction of the "Dr. Phil" broadcast in time and are limited public figures, meaning they have to prove malice by CBS and the other defendants, the defense attorneys argue.

http://origin.dailynews.com/breakingnews/ci_9575645

Kermit - Scared Monkeys


I hope it is a pickett fence.


I love you Miss Magnolia and I KNOW you are a lady so I say this with love.
I know what it is like to be attacked, hated, maligned, threatened etc etc.
And I try to remember we all have a right to our own opinions, judgments, thoughts etc. but its hurtful to be mean on purpose
ribbit

ribbit.......


Gee, billb, I never knew you loved me!  I always thought otherwise. ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 22, 2011, 02:58:34 AM
http://tv.msn.com/tv/series-upcoming-airings/vanished-with-beth-holloway/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Amy%20Bradley/VanishedwithBethHolloway_UpcomingEpisodes05212011.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 22, 2011, 03:10:36 AM
Links to information about Amy Bradley:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=960.0

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/amy-bradley

http://www.amybradley.net/

http://www.amw.com/missing_persons/brief.cfm?id=24282



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 22, 2011, 03:36:37 AM
I just came across this website tonight about Amy Bradley's disappearance. 

 ::MonkeyEek::

There's a video with her from the cruise ship dancing with the guy they called "Yellow", and was believed to possibly be involved in her disappearance.  I remember a rumor that Yellow was Steve Croes. 

If that's Yellow in the video, he's not Steve Croes.

http://chrisfenwick.com/home/2010/3/1/amy-bradley-is-missing.html

http://youtu.be/DqzW5QNmxk4

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Amy%20Bradley/AmyBradley_Yellow_OnCruiseShip1998.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 22, 2011, 05:25:38 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon.jpg)

and Stephany!
 ::justice2NJ::
 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Buckeye on May 22, 2011, 08:47:29 AM
I just came across this website tonight about Amy Bradley's disappearance. 

 ::MonkeyEek::

There's a video with her from the cruise ship dancing with the guy they called "Yellow", and was believed to possibly be involved in her disappearance.  I remember a rumor that Yellow was Steve Croes. 

If that's Yellow in the video, he's not Steve Croes.

http://chrisfenwick.com/home/2010/3/1/amy-bradley-is-missing.html

http://youtu.be/DqzW5QNmxk4

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Amy%20Bradley/AmyBradley_Yellow_OnCruiseShip1998.jpg)



I had read, long ago that the name of the band was the Blue Orchid.  "Yellow" is Alister Douglas.  I don't know how Steve Croes got involved.

http://badoo.com/alisterdouglas/

 :smt102


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on May 22, 2011, 10:56:15 AM
I just came across this website tonight about Amy Bradley's disappearance. 

 ::MonkeyEek::

There's a video with her from the cruise ship dancing with the guy they called "Yellow", and was believed to possibly be involved in her disappearance.  I remember a rumor that Yellow was Steve Croes. 

If that's Yellow in the video, he's not Steve Croes.

http://chrisfenwick.com/home/2010/3/1/amy-bradley-is-missing.html

http://youtu.be/DqzW5QNmxk4

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Amy%20Bradley/AmyBradley_Yellow_OnCruiseShip1998.jpg)



I had read, long ago that the name of the band was the Blue Orchid.  "Yellow" is Alister Douglas.  I don't know how Steve Croes got involved.

http://badoo.com/alisterdouglas/

 :smt102

Buckeye
- yes looks like Alister Douglas is the one dancing with Amy

(http://64.209.21.181/539/2/0/9/1106079453/248195/t1286157315/315180_300.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 22, 2011, 11:00:53 AM
Thanks Buckeye!   ::MonkeyCool::

http://unitedsoundband.webs.com/bandmembers.htm

(http://unitedsoundband.webs.com/Alister%20Yellow%20Douglas.jpg)

Alister "Yellow" Douglas

Alister Douglas, started playing music at the age of eight, coming from a musical family, he first learned the guitar which he played at church, at the age of fourteen he became part of a seven piece gospel band called “ALPHA” as the bass player, four years later he became a member of the “ROYAL GRENADA POLICE FORCE BAND “at the police band he learned to read,write,arrange music, blew the tuba and played drums as well. By that time he was as we will say a well rounded musician, by the age of twenty-one he resigned the police band and headed out to play for Royal Caribbean Cruise Line with a band called “Blue Orchid” as its bass player and arranger for six years, being able to play many different instruments, he also started producing reggae and calypso music for local performers from Grenada, Trinidad and St.Vincent when he was on vacation from the ship.

After the ship he went to study in England and went back to Grenada where he set up his own recording studio called “Kool Dude Recording Studio” and worked together with the ministry of Culture producing and developing the art- form in Grenada, also been providing entertainment for most of the hotels and clubs as well and has been awarded on a national level. He has been playing for many foreign performers over the years locally and internationally, he is known as one of the Grenada’s best as a bass player and an overall musician, arranger and producer. When ask what music meant to him? He smile and said “music is my life and I like performing because it help people to have a good time man I was born to do this.”                   

Alister is presently the Band leader/Bass player of the popular four piece cover band, “USB” (United Sound Band).


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on May 22, 2011, 11:02:41 AM
http://unitedsoundband.webs.com/bandmembers.htm

(http://unitedsoundband.webs.com/Alister%20Yellow%20Douglas.jpg)

Alister "Yellow" Douglas

Alister Douglas, started playing music at the age of eight, coming from a musical family, he first learned the guitar which he played at church, at the age of fourteen he became part of a seven piece gospel band called “ALPHA” as the bass player, four years later he became a member of the “ROYAL GRENADA POLICE FORCE BAND “at the police band he learned to read,write,arrange music, blew the tuba and played drums as well. By that time he was as we will say a well rounded musician, by the age of twenty-one he resigned the police band and headed out to play for Royal Caribbean Cruise Line with a band called “Blue Orchid” as its bass player and arranger for six years, being able to play many different instruments, he also started producing reggae and calypso music for local performers from Grenada, Trinidad and St.Vincent when he was on vacation from the ship.

After the ship he went to study in England and went back to Grenada where he set up his own recording studio called “Kool Dude Recording Studio” and worked together with the ministry of Culture producing and developing the art- form in Grenada, also been providing entertainment for most of the hotels and clubs as well and has been awarded on a national level. He has been playing for many foreign performers over the years locally and internationally, he is known as one of the Grenada’s best as a bass player and an overall musician, arranger and producer. When ask what music meant to him? He smile and said “music is my life and I like performing because it help people to have a good time man I was born to do this.”                   

Alister is presently the Band leader/Bass player of the popular four piece cover band, “USB” (United Sound Band).


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on May 22, 2011, 11:02:56 AM
TM  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 22, 2011, 11:05:53 AM
Good morning Klaas!     ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyKiss::
 ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on May 22, 2011, 11:09:48 AM
Morning.  As you can see I'm a bit slower than you this morning but we are still thinking alike  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 22, 2011, 11:37:18 AM
Morning.  As you can see I'm a bit slower than you this morning but we are still thinking alike  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yep!   ::MonkeyShovel::  ::MonkeyCool::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 22, 2011, 11:45:25 AM
If I would have "bolded" things like I usually do, you would have beat me to the post...but I hadn't had any coffee yet so I didn't even think about it!
 ::MonkeyHaHa::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 22, 2011, 11:52:43 AM
http://tv.msn.com/tv/series-upcoming-airings/vanished-with-beth-holloway/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Amy%20Bradley/VanishedwithBethHolloway_UpcomingEpisodes05212011.jpg)

I hope the show will bring some new leads about Amy, it's been too long!   :sad:


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 22, 2011, 01:22:02 PM
I am on the fence in regards to whether or not the Phil McGraw recording was deceptively manpulated but ... I stand on a firm foundation when I contend that Deepak, Satish and Joran were not defamed.

Janet

+++++


Libel Proof

Surinamese brothers sue Dr. Phil for defamation
Daily News Wire
Article Last Updated: 06/13/2008 08:52:49 AM PDT


<snipped>

A lawsuit filed in December 2006 by Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe maintains they were defamed in a Sept. 15, 2005, "Dr. Phil" show, when it was alleged they gave Holloway a date-rape drug and had non- consensual group sex with her. They also contend the episode implied they helped kill Holloway and dispose of her body.

The "Dr. Phil" segment included statements by Deepak Kalpoe that were "significantly manipulated and altered," the suit alleges. In addition to defamation, the Kalpoes' suit alleges invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

But in court papers filed Wednesday, attorneys for CBS, McGraw and Kay Skeeters -- widow of Jeremy Skeeters, a private investigator hired by McGraw to interview Deepak Kalpoe -- maintain the brothers are "libel-proof."

They say the brothers' reputations were irreparably stained by prior published accounts of the Holloway case, meaning they cannot claim to have been damaged by the "Dr. Phil" broadcast.

<snipped>

The brothers also did not ask for a correction of the "Dr. Phil" broadcast in time and are limited public figures, meaning they have to prove malice by CBS and the other defendants, the defense attorneys argue.

http://origin.dailynews.com/breakingnews/ci_9575645

Kermit - Scared Monkeys


I hope it is a pickett fence.


I love you Miss Magnolia and I KNOW you are a lady so I say this with love.
I know what it is like to be attacked, hated, maligned, threatened etc etc.
And I try to remember we all have a right to our own opinions, judgments, thoughts etc. but its hurtful to be mean on purpose
ribbit

ribbit.......


Gee, billb, I never knew you loved me!  I always thought otherwise. ::MonkeyKiss::
Magnolia....you make me blush....after six years I think we all have love for those that are still here waiting to see Natalee and now Stephany get justice......


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: grace-land on May 22, 2011, 04:34:34 PM
http://m.rpp.com.pe/n_367788.html

Google translation

Sunday, May 22, 2011
Van der Sloot's lawyer says is a victim of circumstances

 "Joran Van der Sloot is a victim of circumstances, " said his lawyer in Peru, Maximum Altez, who said the young Dutchman would not pose any imminent danger of being released.

 Speaking to News America, however admitted that his client needed psychological treatment to reintegrate into society.

 As indicated by Van der Sloot asked eligible for early termination of the process, saying a sincere confession of the facts in order to authorize his extradition to the United States for trial in that country.

Altez stated that this would avoid costs to the Peruvian State, and allow it to his client a lesser sentence as mandated by the crime of murder.

 In this regard, said they hoped the sentence given to Van der Sloot is the crime of homicide which would mean a sentence of 20 years.

 Is that while the defense of Van der Sloot has argued in court that he follows the murder of Stephanie Flores crime by violent emotion, a conviction for murder with a sentence of 20 years it would therefore be one third of the had served the young Dutchman could be free in four to five years.

 For its part, Aldo Cotroneo, Van der Sloot's lawyer in the United States, said the request for his extradition to that country should be the best federal prison system conditions with respect to the Castro Castro prison where he is.

 "Compared to the federal prison system in America with what is seen in Castro Castro, the federal prison system is much more advanced, the prisoners have more benefits and is more organized, "he added.

He reported that Van der Sloot will demand that the Chilean State because it was "expelled" from this country without respecting their civil rights.

As stated, the defendant will prosecute the Chilean authorities were in charge of the extradition process, which should have lasted about six months, "but was expelled from the country in a way that violated their civil rights.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 22, 2011, 05:26:37 PM
http://www.24ora.com/deporte-mainmenu-7/31803-team-aruba-a-finalisa-na-di-7-luga-na-wkalmere.html

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Gottenbos/05192011_24ora_Sander.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

team aruba owing to finalisa at of 7 luga at wk almere

thursday, 19 may 2011 09:12

in weekend of 14 y 15 of may team aruba owing to participa at wk almere for first trip. one toernooi where 20 team owing to participa. the first buelta was saturday y esnan cu clasifica will play diadomingo. aruba was in poule together cu seleccionnan of peru, pakistan y we hermana island corsou. aruba owing to play his first game contra pakistan cu result of 0-0. the of two game owing to wordo play contra peru y here once more aruba owing to stay empata cu score of 1-1. daimhy caton owing to score for aruba. in the of 3 game here aruba was have to of one triunfo contra of corsou y this owing to wordo succeed cu score of 3-2. ezra bosnie (2) y cedrick infanzon owing to score for aruba. cu the result they here aruba owing to clasifica for her of two buelta cu will wordo play diadomingo again in one poule. in the poule here aruba was together cu seleccionan of afghanistan, india y colombia. in poule here only the first will go door for her ultimo 4 teamnan cu will fight for look at that is go end. aruba his first game was contra of india 1-1 ( mateo tromp ). the of two game was contra of afghanistan y here aruba owing to know of earn 1-0 ( sander gottenbos ). in the ultimo game contra of colombia was todo can todo sabiendo cu only the ganado is bay door. game was enough duro y much trip cu bad intencion. aruba owing to achieve much chens for score but not owing to succeed esey y the game is finish 0-0. the result here was fateful for aruba sabiendo cu inda owing to score one gol more cu aruba y colombia y finalmente india is go door. aruba his hungadornan was break y cu much tristesa, sabiendo cu they not owing to lose none game ( 2 earn y 4 empate ) y they're stay yet afo of wk voetbal almere. this kiermen cu aruba owing to end at d 7 luga in the toernooi. bestuur of avn ( arubaanse voetballers in nederland ) y technische staf is much proud cu the work realisa of team aruba. they owing to place they love own for defende they sweet island. one pabien at all the hungadonan cu owing to participa the year here. come across

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Team-Aruba/328546739171

TEAM ARUBA @ WK ALMERE 14 & 15 MEI 2011

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(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Gottenbos/TeamAruba05222011_03.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Gottenbos/TeamAruba05222011_07.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Gottenbos/TeamAruba05222011_08.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Gottenbos/TeamAruba05222011_09.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Gottenbos/TeamAruba05222011_10.jpg)







Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 22, 2011, 05:59:36 PM
http://m.rpp.com.pe/n_367788.html

Google translation

Sunday, May 22, 2011
Van der Sloot's lawyer says is a victim of circumstances

 "Joran Van der Sloot is a victim of circumstances, " said his lawyer in Peru, Maximum Altez, who said the young Dutchman would not pose any imminent danger of being released.

 Speaking to News America, however admitted that his client needed psychological treatment to reintegrate into society.

 As indicated by Van der Sloot asked eligible for early termination of the process, saying a sincere confession of the facts in order to authorize his extradition to the United States for trial in that country.

Altez stated that this would avoid costs to the Peruvian State, and allow it to his client a lesser sentence as mandated by the crime of murder.

 In this regard, said they hoped the sentence given to Van der Sloot is the crime of homicide which would mean a sentence of 20 years.

 Is that while the defense of Van der Sloot has argued in court that he follows the murder of Stephanie Flores crime by violent emotion, a conviction for murder with a sentence of 20 years it would therefore be one third of the had served the young Dutchman could be free in four to five years.

 For its part, Aldo Cotroneo, Van der Sloot's lawyer in the United States, said the request for his extradition to that country should be the best federal prison system conditions with respect to the Castro Castro prison where he is.

 "Compared to the federal prison system in America with what is seen in Castro Castro, the federal prison system is much more advanced, the prisoners have more benefits and is more organized, "he added.

He reported that Van der Sloot will demand that the Chilean State because it was "expelled" from this country without respecting their civil rights.

As stated, the defendant will prosecute the Chilean authorities were in charge of the extradition process, which should have lasted about six months, "but was expelled from the country in a way that violated their civil rights.

 ::snipping2::


I laughed first, and then I got mad.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

Stephany Flores had rights too, until she met that murdering monster piece of chit.

He didn't enter Chile legally, he intentionally fled there to avoid prosecution and IMO he shouldn't have the expectation of any rights!

I hope if the POS lives long enough to eventually be handed over to the United States that he'll be charged with the murder of Natalee Holloway as well. 

It's all a game to get him out of Peru as soon as possible.  I hope he dies there.  It would save the U. S. a lot of money doing what Aruba should have done almost six years ago.

And all of Aruba's whining about Natalee's case putting them in a "bad light"?  Well just wait until the U. S. is having to deal with him and his monster mother's antics.  Aruba ain't seen nothing yet!

 ::MonkeyNoNo::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 22, 2011, 06:06:18 PM
More from the article that grace-land posted...

http://m.rpp.com.pe/n_367788.html

::snipping2::

He said even ask for compensation from the Chilean state, but did not specify the amount that demand .

On the other hand, ruled that Van der Sloot family is those who are financing their legal representatives, but rather people interested in that Joran receive a fair trial in the United States, but did not reveal the identity of these people.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 22, 2011, 06:22:36 PM
http://m.rpp.com.pe/n_367788.html

Google translation

Sunday, May 22, 2011
Van der Sloot's lawyer says is a victim of circumstances

 "Joran Van der Sloot is a victim of circumstances, " said his lawyer in Peru, Maximum Altez, who said the young Dutchman would not pose any imminent danger of being released.

 Speaking to News America, however admitted that his client needed psychological treatment to reintegrate into society.

 As indicated by Van der Sloot asked eligible for early termination of the process, saying a sincere confession of the facts in order to authorize his extradition to the United States for trial in that country.

Altez stated that this would avoid costs to the Peruvian State, and allow it to his client a lesser sentence as mandated by the crime of murder.

 In this regard, said they hoped the sentence given to Van der Sloot is the crime of homicide which would mean a sentence of 20 years.

 Is that while the defense of Van der Sloot has argued in court that he follows the murder of Stephanie Flores crime by violent emotion, a conviction for murder with a sentence of 20 years it would therefore be one third of the had served the young Dutchman could be free in four to five years.

 For its part, Aldo Cotroneo, Van der Sloot's lawyer in the United States, said the request for his extradition to that country should be the best federal prison system conditions with respect to the Castro Castro prison where he is.

 "Compared to the federal prison system in America with what is seen in Castro Castro, the federal prison system is much more advanced, the prisoners have more benefits and is more organized, "he added.

He reported that Van der Sloot will demand that the Chilean State because it was "expelled" from this country without respecting their civil rights.

As stated, the defendant will prosecute the Chilean authorities were in charge of the extradition process, which should have lasted about six months, "but was expelled from the country in a way that violated their civil rights.

 ::snipping2::


 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 22, 2011, 06:58:12 PM
http://www.diario.aw/2010/09/joran-por-fabor-basha-abao-pa-caba/

(http://www.diario.aw/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/joran.jpg)
 




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 22, 2011, 07:12:35 PM
FAITH WILL SEE ME THROUGH

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway


Pages 230/231:  I can't say for sure if we'll ever know that answer to whether my daughter is alive or not.  I know it doesn't look good.  But just as that old metal spiral staircase rose from the ashes when our lake house burned down, so too faith stands strong in the remains of this devastating loss.  And just as my Dad built another house around that staircase, I will build another life around hope and faith.  It won't ever be the same.  But I pray that it will, at the very least, be useful.  The hope that filled Natalee's heart fills mine, and I will press on.  Faith got me up this morning, and faith will see me through tomorrow.  And the next day.  And the next.


Vanished With Beth Holloway: Upcoming Airings

5:00pm
FRI 5/27Amy Bradley
LIFEP

A young woman vanishes off the deck of a cruise ship

http://tv.msn.com/tv/series-upcoming-airings/vanished-with-beth-holloway/


Flashback Six Years - May 26, 2005

I DROVE AWAY WITHOUT KNOWING

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway


Page 14-15:  On Thursday May 26, 2005, Natalee came into my bedroom at three o'clock in the morning to tell me it was almost time to go. Everyone was gathering at a friend's house for the ride to the airport. My job was to pick everyone up at the airport when they returned on Memorial Day, Monday, May 30, 2005.

While Natalee was going to be out of town, Jug was going to his lake house to visit with his family and friends. In our marriage, the second for both of us, we rarely vacationed together. My son, Matt, had made his own plans with friends for the weekend, so it was the perfect time for me to take a much-needed, overdue trip to my family's lake house in Hot Springs, Arkansas. I had not been there in a very long time. Birmingham is about nine hours away, so it was just too long a drive since moving here to make the trip on a regular basis. I was very much looking forward to visiting with my family. Everyone's plans were made.

In the wee hours on this Thursday morning Natalee and I loaded her things in the back of the car and headed off to her friend's house. It was very dark at that hour, and we were both only half awake. But we did talk some. Small talk. We reviewed what she had packed, going through a mental checklist of passport, cash, camera, sunscreen, and the like. When we arrived at her friend's house, she came to life. The adventure she had been excitedly awaiting for months was finally about to begin. She jumped out of the car and bounced to the back to get her bag. I got out and walked around the car to help her. She gathered her things and looked up long enough for me to kiss her on the cheek.

"I love you! Have a great time!" I told her.

She replied, "Bye, Mom! Love you!" and slung her purple duffel bag over her shoulder.

The bag made her walk slightly bent to its opposite side. I got back in the car as she made her way up the long walkway to the front door. Turning the car around to leave, I stopped and looked back over my shoulder to see her go inside. The front door of the house opened just wide enough for her to slip in. I saw her silhouette in the beam of light that shone from inside. The light narrowed as the door closed, then disappeared completely. It was pitch-black again. I drove away not knowing that would be the last time I would ever see Natalee.

 :smt049


 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 22, 2011, 07:22:48 PM

FAITH WILL SEE ME THROUGH

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway


Pages 230/231:  I can't say for sure if we'll ever know that answer to whether my daughter is alive or not.  I know it doesn't look good.  But just as that old metal spiral staircase rose from the ashes when our lake house burned down, so too faith stands strong in the remains of this devastating loss.  And just as my Dad built another house around that staircase, I will build another life around hope and faith.  It won't ever be the same.  But I pray that it will, at the very least, be useful.  The hope that filled Natalee's heart fills mine, and I will press on.  Faith got me up this morning, and faith will see me through tomorrow.  And the next day.  And the next.


Vanished With Beth Holloway: Upcoming Airings

10:00pm
MON 5/30
Kesse; Bible and Freeman NEW!
10:00 PM


A 24-year-old goes missing after warning her father of a suspicious character; two teenage girls go missing.

http://tv.msn.com/tv/series-upcoming-airings/vanished-with-beth-holloway/


Flashback Six Years - May 30, 2005

THE PROVERBIAL DREADED PHONE CALL

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway


Page 23:  Rested and refreshed, we leave Memphis late Monday morning with Linda driving and Marilyn up front with her.  I take the backseat.  We sail along, chatting like we alway do, talking about our plans for another road trip one day soon.  Marilyn and I are happily speculating about what our daughters' reactions will be when they open their presents to find a set of extraordinary Wizard of Oz figures.  Natalee will gasp with excitement when she sees these.  Before we know it, we've crossed over into Mississippi.  Somewhere amid our conversation, between the chuckles and the small talk, my cell phone rings. I don't recognize the number, but answer it anyway, which I usually don't do.

It's a young girl.  "Mrs. Twitty?  My mom ... umm ... my mom, she umm ... wants to talk to you."  It's the daughter of Judi, the travel agent.  She developed appendicitis right before the trip, so she and Jodi didn't get to go to Aruba.  They are in Birmingham.  It seems like an eternity before Jodi takes the phone.

"Tell me what's going on," I say in a voice much firmer than the one I usually hear coming from my mouth.

She simply says, "Natalee didn't show up this morning to get on the plane."

And instantly I know.  It's more than a mother's intuition.  It's certainty.  Something terrible has happened.  I have just answered the proverbial dreaded phone call that no mother or father every wants to receive.  The one we fear from the moment our children are born.  The one that changes a parent's life forever.


 :smt049


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 22, 2011, 07:24:11 PM
Klaas/Mods

Please delete post #640.  I messed up the highlighting.

Thanks

Janet
Done.  YW MB


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Buckeye on May 22, 2011, 09:20:57 PM

 America with what is seen in Castro Castro, the federal prison system is much more advanced, the prisoners have more benefits and is more organized, "he added.

He reported that Van der Sloot will demand that the Chilean State because it was "expelled" from this country without respecting their civil rights.

As stated, the defendant will prosecute the Chilean authorities were in charge of the extradition process, which should have lasted about six months, "but was expelled from the country in a way that violated their civil rights.

 ::snipping2::


I laughed first, and then I got mad.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

Stephany Flores had rights too, until she met that murdering monster piece of chit.

He didn't enter Chile legally, he intentionally fled there to avoid prosecution and IMO he shouldn't have the expectation of any rights!

I hope if the POS lives long enough to eventually be handed over to the United States that he'll be charged with the murder of Natalee Holloway as well. 

It's all a game to get him out of Peru as soon as possible.  I hope he dies there.  It would save the U. S. a lot of money doing what Aruba should have done almost six years ago.

And all of Aruba's whining about Natalee's case putting them in a "bad light"?  Well just wait until the U. S. is having to deal with him and his monster mother's antics.  Aruba ain't seen nothing yet!

 ::MonkeyNoNo::



[/quote]

Good luck with that.  I hope the Sloot fund spends a lot trying. I hear the new lawyer can use the money.

INTERPOL news

09 June 2010


INTERPOL Chile and Peru co-operation leads to Dutch murder suspect’s arrest
Van der Sloot is also wanted in USA for extortion linked to Aruba disappearance of US teenager
Click to enlarge
Joren van der Sloot is officially handed over to INTERPOL Lima officers by Chilean police.


Van der Sloot's arrest was down to co-operation between INTERPOL Chile and Peru.
The arrest of a Dutchman suspected in the killing of a woman in Peru following close liaison between INTERPOL’s National Central Bureaus in Lima and Santiago, supported by INTERPOL’s 24-hour Command and Co-ordination Centre at the General Secretariat headquarters in Lyon has been praised by the head of the world police body as a ‘perfect example of police co-operation in international investigations.’

Joran van der Sloot, aged 22, was expelled to Lima on Friday after being taken into custody by Chilean police the previous day in the coastal town of Vina del Mar after INTERPOL Peru alerted the international law enforcement community that he was wanted in connection with the death of 21-year-old Stephany Flores Ramirez, whose body was found in a Lima hotel room on Wednesday 2 June.

“This case is a perfect example of international police co-operation in combining collaboration and action by INTERPOL National Central Bureaus on the ground and the ability for these to instantly share and communicate information on wanted persons by our Command and Co-ordination Centre and Fugitive Unit at our Lyon headquarters,” said INTERPOL Secretary General Ronald K. Noble.

“Van der Sloot’s arrest is a credit to law enforcement authorities in Chile and Peru and once again demonstrates the power and effectiveness of international co-operation between police in obtaining information to identify, locate and apprehend fugitives around the world,” added Mr Noble.

In a separate case, Van der Sloot remains a named suspect by authorities in Aruba in the disappearance on the Caribbean island of 18-year-old US citizen Natalee Holloway on 30 May, 2005.  INTERPOL issued an international missing persons alert (Yellow Notice) for the teenager following her disappearance, which still remains valid.

Van der Sloot was arrested but never charged over her disappearance. However, he faces an arrest warrant by US authorities in Alabama on charges of extortion and wire fraud linked to that case.

http://www.interpol.int/public/ICPO/PressReleases/PR2010/News20100609.asp


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 22, 2011, 09:52:29 PM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=7382&offId=0&offDate=2011-5

Papiamentu translation:

11 hora happen | fecha: 22/05/2011 | horario: 10:35

during evento at nikky beach, ladronnan owing to probecha break enter steal beverage of barefoot diadomingo morning owing to enter informe of kiebro y ladronicia at barefoot, at once owing to dirigi one patrol at the sitio. at arrival of the patrol owing to come compronde cu during madruga hour cu was have one evento at nikky beach some person owing to fly enter the lugar forza cooler y sit drink beer y wine y after bay cu some beverage also. owing to solicita presencia of the investigadornan tecnico for come analiza the vingerprintnan for so captura the ladronnan.


Remember Sebas was there last Saturday night...wonder if his fingerprints are on file yet...


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: SuzieQ on May 22, 2011, 09:59:43 PM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=7382&offId=0&offDate=2011-5

Papiamentu translation:

11 hora happen | fecha: 22/05/2011 | horario: 10:35

during evento at nikky beach, ladronnan owing to probecha break enter steal beverage of barefoot diadomingo morning owing to enter informe of kiebro y ladronicia at barefoot, at once owing to dirigi one patrol at the sitio. at arrival of the patrol owing to come compronde cu during madruga hour cu was have one evento at nikky beach some person owing to fly enter the lugar forza cooler y sit drink beer y wine y after bay cu some beverage also. owing to solicita presencia of the investigadornan tecnico for come analiza the vingerprintnan for so captura the ladronnan.


Remember Sebas was there last Saturday night...wonder if his fingerprints are on file yet...

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Hope so.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 22, 2011, 10:02:44 PM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=7377&offId=0&offDate=2011-5

Papiamentu translation:

15 hora happen | fecha: 22/05/2011 | horario: 06:45

while police is atendiendo one problem at oude molen, malhechornan is bore 7 tire of autonan of police

diadomingo madruga if malhechornan owing to burla of autoridad, while cu polisnan cu refuerzo owing to bay atende problem in oude molen pafo malhechornan owing to bore 7 tire of autonan of police. criminalidad owing to escala dimas end y still not have none gobernante y niether none member of parliament cu can owing to come cu one sugerencia of cambio of ley of castigo neither for change the sistema of the institute correccional. because esakinan do not help cu nothing. encambio this is give the criminalnan y malhechornan more power for follow abusa y burla of autoridad. have to come one cambio in we sistema judicial. come on parlamentarionan, come on ministernan y also ministerio publico haci algo before is late. so here criminalnan is burla y mine we unique salbacion for justicia. look at cuanto the people here is sufriendo all day, cu tanto chollernan, hortamento, kiebro cu ladronicia, destruccion, joyriding, hortamento of car, atraco, maltrato, abuse sexual, hinkamento, tiramento y even matamento. then now destruccion at autonan policial. what you is keep?

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/7377/5_1306079402.jpg)

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/7377/3_1306079402.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 22, 2011, 10:25:05 PM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=7371&offId=10&offDate=2011-5

Papiamentu translation:

Another attempted suicide yesterday...by drinking paint thinner!

::MonkeyNoNo::

1 day happen | fecha: 21/05/2011 | horario: 14:35

man owing to try place end at his life at tamarijn

saturday afternoon owing to enter informe of cu one person owing to try place end at his life at tamarijn bebiendo (drinking) thinner, at once owing to dirigi tanto police because; ambulance at the sitio. at arrival of the patrol owing to come constata one man throw abao y was saca while one holor enough strong of thinner was leave for of his respiration. at the momentonan ey also ambulance owing to arrive y owing to inicia cu first help y after owing to transporte cu urgencia for hospital. we owing to succeed achieve one interview cu esnan cu owing to descubri the victima here.

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/7371/11_1306004402.jpg)

http://www.abro.com/products/automotive/repair-products/?product=258

(http://www.abro.com/media/images/products/75_full.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Buckeye on May 22, 2011, 10:51:43 PM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=7371&offId=10&offDate=2011-5

Papiamentu translation:

Another attempted suicide yesterday...by drinking paint thinner!

::MonkeyNoNo::

1 day happen | fecha: 21/05/2011 | horario: 14:35

man owing to try place end at his life at tamarijn

saturday afternoon owing to enter informe of cu one person owing to try place end at his life at tamarijn bebiendo (drinking) thinner, at once owing to dirigi tanto police because; ambulance at the sitio. at arrival of the patrol owing to come constata one man throw abao y was saca while one holor enough strong of thinner was leave for of his respiration. at the momentonan ey also ambulance owing to arrive y owing to inicia cu first help y after owing to transporte cu urgencia for hospital. we owing to succeed achieve one interview cu esnan cu owing to descubri the victima here.

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/7371/11_1306004402.jpg)

http://www.abro.com/products/automotive/repair-products/?product=258

(http://www.abro.com/media/images/products/75_full.jpg)

If that's a pack of cigarettes, between the seats, it could explain all those car fires.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 23, 2011, 12:00:02 AM
For those who don't have Lifetime, or maybe missed these episodes!

::MonkeyCool::

http://www.mylifetime.com/shows/vanished-with-beth-holloway/video/full-episodes/episode-1-holloway-mcstay

Full Episodes

Episode 1 (Holloway/McStay)

Season 1: Episode 1 (Holloway/McStay): Original air date: 5/09/11.
Set in Aruba and Fallbrook, CA. Beth Holloway shares her journey to find answers about her missing daughter Natalee and begins her quest to help families with loved ones who have vanished without a trace. The episode also introduces California family of four, the McStays, who all suddenly vanished without a trace. Learn more about Natalee, Beth, and what you can do if someone you love goes missing with "Vanished" safety tips, resources, photos and more.


http://www.mylifetime.com/shows/vanished-with-beth-holloway/video/full-episodes/episode-2-grinstead-lunsford

Full Episodes
Episode 2 (Grinstead/Lunsford)
Season 1: Episode 2 (Grinstead/Lunsford): Original air date: 5/16/11.
Set in Homosassa, FL and Ocilla, GA. Viewers meet the family of a 10-year-old girl who went missing from her Florida home and her father embarks on a journey to clear his family name and bring a killer to justice. Additionally, Beth visits the loved ones of a high school teacher and former beauty queen who vanished from her home late one night. Learn more about Natalee, Beth, and what you can do if someone you love goes missing with "Vanished" safety tips, resources, photos and more.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 23, 2011, 12:05:47 AM
 ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.mylifetime.com/watch-full-movies-online/justice-for-natalee-holloway

Watch the full Lifetime movie "Justice for Natalee," starring Tracy Pollan and Stephen Amell. This follow-up to the original movie "Natalee Holloway" closes in on the ongoing mystery of what exactly happened to the Alabama teenager who, in 2005, mysteriously disappeared during her senior class trip to Aruba. Four years after Natalee went missing, Joran van der Sloot, one of the last persons to see her alive, continues to torment her grieving mother Beth by providing false information about Natalee's fate, and continuing to deny any responsibility for what happened to her. See "Justice for Natalee" photos, cast info, and more.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 23, 2011, 01:17:21 AM
For those who don't have Lifetime, or maybe missed these episodes!

::MonkeyCool::

http://www.mylifetime.com/shows/vanished-with-beth-holloway/video/full-episodes/episode-1-holloway-mcstay

Full Episodes

Episode 1 (Holloway/McStay)

Season 1: Episode 1 (Holloway/McStay): Original air date: 5/09/11.
Set in Aruba and Fallbrook, CA. Beth Holloway shares her journey to find answers about her missing daughter Natalee and begins her quest to help families with loved ones who have vanished without a trace. The episode also introduces California family of four, the McStays, who all suddenly vanished without a trace. Learn more about Natalee, Beth, and what you can do if someone you love goes missing with "Vanished" safety tips, resources, photos and more.


http://www.mylifetime.com/shows/vanished-with-beth-holloway/video/full-episodes/episode-2-grinstead-lunsford

Full Episodes
Episode 2 (Grinstead/Lunsford)
Season 1: Episode 2 (Grinstead/Lunsford): Original air date: 5/16/11.
Set in Homosassa, FL and Ocilla, GA. Viewers meet the family of a 10-year-old girl who went missing from her Florida home and her father embarks on a journey to clear his family name and bring a killer to justice. Additionally, Beth visits the loved ones of a high school teacher and former beauty queen who vanished from her home late one night. Learn more about Natalee, Beth, and what you can do if someone you love goes missing with "Vanished" safety tips, resources, photos and more.




::MonkeyCool::

http://www.mylifetime.com/watch-full-movies-online/justice-for-natalee-holloway

Watch the full Lifetime movie "Justice for Natalee," starring Tracy Pollan and Stephen Amell. This follow-up to the original movie "Natalee Holloway" closes in on the ongoing mystery of what exactly happened to the Alabama teenager who, in 2005, mysteriously disappeared during her senior class trip to Aruba. Four years after Natalee went missing, Joran van der Sloot, one of the last persons to see her alive, continues to torment her grieving mother Beth by providing false information about Natalee's fate, and continuing to deny any responsibility for what happened to her. See "Justice for Natalee" photos, cast info, and more.

I just watched the Vanished episode that I missed last week about Jessica Lunsford and Tara Grinstead, it was great!  It's awesome that Lifetime has put the entire episodes on the web for viewing, they will reach so many more people that way.

I'm so proud of Beth!   ::MonkeyHeart::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 23, 2011, 01:41:57 AM
http://tv.msn.com/tv/series-upcoming-airings/vanished-with-beth-holloway/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Amy%20Bradley/VanishedwithBethHolloway_UpcomingEpisodes05212011.jpg)
::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 23, 2011, 01:42:53 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon.jpg)

and Stephany!
 ::justice2NJ::
 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: carpe noctem on May 23, 2011, 02:05:09 AM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=7371&offId=10&offDate=2011-5

Papiamentu translation:

Another attempted suicide yesterday...by drinking paint thinner!

::MonkeyNoNo::

1 day happen | fecha: 21/05/2011 | horario: 14:35

man owing to try place end at his life at tamarijn

saturday afternoon owing to enter informe of cu one person owing to try place end at his life at tamarijn bebiendo (drinking) thinner, at once owing to dirigi tanto police because; ambulance at the sitio. at arrival of the patrol owing to come constata one man throw abao y was saca while one holor enough strong of thinner was leave for of his respiration. at the momentonan ey also ambulance owing to arrive y owing to inicia cu first help y after owing to transporte cu urgencia for hospital. we owing to succeed achieve one interview cu esnan cu owing to descubri the victima here.

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/7371/11_1306004402.jpg)

http://www.abro.com/products/automotive/repair-products/?product=258

(http://www.abro.com/media/images/products/75_full.jpg)

If Mr. Outcry couldn't figure out how to get the job done with access to a CAR... the added step of procuring paint thinner probably is not going to do the trick, either.

hELLOOOOOOO, paging Doctor Dumbass at extension 51-50, stat!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: carpe noctem on May 23, 2011, 02:10:59 AM
For those who don't have Lifetime, or maybe missed these episodes!

::MonkeyCool::

http://www.mylifetime.com/shows/vanished-with-beth-holloway/video/full-episodes/episode-1-holloway-mcstay

Full Episodes

Episode 1 (Holloway/McStay)

Season 1: Episode 1 (Holloway/McStay): Original air date: 5/09/11.
Set in Aruba and Fallbrook, CA. Beth Holloway shares her journey to find answers about her missing daughter Natalee and begins her quest to help families with loved ones who have vanished without a trace. The episode also introduces California family of four, the McStays, who all suddenly vanished without a trace. Learn more about Natalee, Beth, and what you can do if someone you love goes missing with "Vanished" safety tips, resources, photos and more.


http://www.mylifetime.com/shows/vanished-with-beth-holloway/video/full-episodes/episode-2-grinstead-lunsford

Full Episodes
Episode 2 (Grinstead/Lunsford)
Season 1: Episode 2 (Grinstead/Lunsford): Original air date: 5/16/11.
Set in Homosassa, FL and Ocilla, GA. Viewers meet the family of a 10-year-old girl who went missing from her Florida home and her father embarks on a journey to clear his family name and bring a killer to justice. Additionally, Beth visits the loved ones of a high school teacher and former beauty queen who vanished from her home late one night. Learn more about Natalee, Beth, and what you can do if someone you love goes missing with "Vanished" safety tips, resources, photos and more.




::MonkeyCool::

http://www.mylifetime.com/watch-full-movies-online/justice-for-natalee-holloway

Watch the full Lifetime movie "Justice for Natalee," starring Tracy Pollan and Stephen Amell. This follow-up to the original movie "Natalee Holloway" closes in on the ongoing mystery of what exactly happened to the Alabama teenager who, in 2005, mysteriously disappeared during her senior class trip to Aruba. Four years after Natalee went missing, Joran van der Sloot, one of the last persons to see her alive, continues to torment her grieving mother Beth by providing false information about Natalee's fate, and continuing to deny any responsibility for what happened to her. See "Justice for Natalee" photos, cast info, and more.

I just watched the Vanished episode that I missed last week about Jessica Lunsford and Tara Grinstead, it was great!  It's awesome that Lifetime has put the entire episodes on the web for viewing, they will reach so many more people that way.

I'm so proud of Beth!   ::MonkeyHeart::

Hi Texasmom,  ::MonkeyKiss:: (back atcha)

Me too! Beth is a rock star who does not think she is a rock star... which is my kinda rock star.

In my eyes - she is one of the best, and I want her to JUST KEEP ON GOING, for a long time.

Whatever she's got - they need to mass produce in vitamin form.

 ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: SuzieQ on May 23, 2011, 02:22:01 PM
I wonder what this is all about? Peter just posted on Twitter.

Ach... Joran wil het op een akkoordje gooien... Hij stond er toch zo goed voor, riep zijn advocaat de hele tijd? Of toch niet helemaal?

Google translation

Ah ... Joran wants to make a deal ... He stood so well before, said his lawyer all the time? Or not at all?

http://twitter.com/#!/PeterRdeV (http://twitter.com/#!/PeterRdeV) Fixed link.  MB


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 23, 2011, 02:46:36 PM
I wonder what this is all about? Peter just posted on Twitter.

Ach... Joran wil het op een akkoordje gooien... Hij stond er toch zo goed voor, riep zijn advocaat de hele tijd? Of toch niet helemaal?

Google translation

Ah ... Joran wants to make a deal ... He stood so well before, said his lawyer all the time? Or not at all?

http://twitter.com/#!/PeterRdeV (http://twitter.com/#!/PeterRdeV) Fixed link. MB

Thanks SuzieQ! ::MonkeyCool::

That has come up many times since his arrest, remember he tried to bargain with the location of Natalee's remains to get back to Aruba, and some of Beth's conversation with him when she went to Castro Castro indicated imo that he was trying to negotiate a deal of some kind.  

Hopefully more details of what this is all about will come out soon!





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 23, 2011, 02:51:28 PM
I've often wondered if they were married, I don't think they are.  Seems odd to me that this is acceptable for someone in that position, but maybe I'm just old fashioned. 

btw...Melony is the daughter of Lienchie Merryweather.

http://www.24ora.com/social-mainmenu-9/31952-presidente-di-parlamento-a-bira-tata.html

Papiamentu translation:

chairman of parliament owing to become father

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2011.mei.mei22.baby.Paul_Croes_baby.jpg)

monday, 23 may 2011 00:24

saturday afternoon for 2:47pm, chairman of parliament, drs. paul croes y his enamorada (love) melony peasch owing to wordo bendiciona cu arrival of they baby boy “paul-addison françois croes”, cu porcierto owing to pisa 3420 gram y owing to measure 53 centimeter of length. cas of midwife shaline tromp owing to asisti in the parto. pabien at the happy pareha cu they baby. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 23, 2011, 06:03:47 PM
::snipping2::


  ::snipping2::

I just watched the Vanished episode that I missed last week about Jessica Lunsford and Tara Grinstead, it was great!  It's awesome that Lifetime has put the entire episodes on the web for viewing, they will reach so many more people that way.

I'm so proud of Beth!   ::MonkeyHeart::

Hi Texasmom,  ::MonkeyKiss:: (back atcha)

Me too! Beth is a rock star who does not think she is a rock star... which is my kinda rock star.

In my eyes - she is one of the best, and I want her to JUST KEEP ON GOING, for a long time.

Whatever she's got - they need to mass produce in vitamin form.

 ::justice2NJ::

ITA!   ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 23, 2011, 06:15:35 PM
http://m.rpp.com.pe/n_367788.html

Google translation

Sunday, May 22, 2011
Van der Sloot's lawyer says is a victim of circumstances

 "Joran Van der Sloot is a victim of circumstances, " said his lawyer in Peru, Maximum Altez, who said the young Dutchman would not pose any imminent danger of being released.

 Speaking to News America, however admitted that his client needed psychological treatment to reintegrate into society.

 As indicated by Van der Sloot asked eligible for early termination of the process, saying a sincere confession of the facts in order to authorize his extradition to the United States for trial in that country.

Altez stated that this would avoid costs to the Peruvian State, and allow it to his client a lesser sentence as mandated by the crime of murder.

 In this regard, said they hoped the sentence given to Van der Sloot is the crime of homicide which would mean a sentence of 20 years.

 Is that while the defense of Van der Sloot has argued in court that he follows the murder of Stephanie Flores crime by violent emotion, a conviction for murder with a sentence of 20 years it would therefore be one third of the had served the young Dutchman could be free in four to five years.

 For its part, Aldo Cotroneo, Van der Sloot's lawyer in the United States, said the request for his extradition to that country should be the best federal prison system conditions with respect to the Castro Castro prison where he is.

 "Compared to the federal prison system in America with what is seen in Castro Castro, the federal prison system is much more advanced, the prisoners have more benefits and is more organized, "he added.

He reported that Van der Sloot will demand that the Chilean State because it was "expelled" from this country without respecting their civil rights.

As stated, the defendant will prosecute the Chilean authorities were in charge of the extradition process, which should have lasted about six months, "but was expelled from the country in a way that violated their civil rights.

 ::snipping2::


Maybe this is what Peter R. DeVries was referring to? 

As indicated by Van der Sloot asked eligible for early termination of the process, saying a sincere confession of the facts in order to authorize his extradition to the United States for trial in that country.

Altez stated that this would avoid costs to the Peruvian State, and allow it to his client a lesser sentence as mandated by the crime of murder.

 In this regard, said they hoped the sentence given to Van der Sloot is the crime of homicide which would mean a sentence of 20 years.

 Is that while the defense of Van der Sloot has argued in court that he follows the murder of Stephanie Flores crime by violent emotion, a conviction for murder with a sentence of 20 years it would therefore be one third of the had served the young Dutchman could be free in four to five years.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 23, 2011, 06:47:22 PM
Clock is ticking on van der Sloot murder case
May 23, 2011
Published: 3:19 pm
Updated: 3:24 pm


Birmingham, Ala (WIAT)  After almost a year in a Peruvian prison, the clock is ticking in the murder case of Joran van der Sloot. His lawyer says Peruvian law requires a trial within eighteen months...and he'll petition for van der Sloot's release if he isn't tried by then.

“The law says a trial should begin within 18 months,” said the lawyer. “If that doesn’t happen the accused should be released. That is not the same as an acquittal.''

According to the Dutch press agency ANP, attorney Max Altez says he'll submit a request for van der Sloot to await trial as a free man.

<snipped>

Charges from the Office of Public Prosecution are expected in the next few weeks. Van der Sloot's defense indicates he'll plead guilty if charged with manslaughter but would plead innocent if charged with murder. Murder carries a 35 year sentence. The formal sentence for manslaughter is 20 years but it's frequently reduced.

Van der Sloot is still appealing alleged irregularities in his interrogation including the absence of an official translator.

The Dutchman also faces an indictment for wire fraud and extortion delivered by a federal grand jury here in Birmingham. It's unclear how hard U.S. authorities are pushing for extradition as long as van der Sloot is in prison in Peru.

Altez denies rumors in the Peruvian media that his client wants to be extradited to the United States. He does not know whether or not the Dutchman will take advantage of new agreements to allow Dutch prisoners to finish their sentences in their home country.

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Clock-is-ticking-on-van-der-Sloot-murder-case/Uhx9xV5JjE6uz3aY61RPww.cspx




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 23, 2011, 07:02:59 PM
Lawyer to request release of Joran van der Sloot
Published on 23 May 2011 - 9:28pm


If the trial of Dutchman Joran van der Sloot in Peru has not begun within six months, his lawyer Máximo Altez will submit a request for his client to await trial outside prison according to the Dutch press agency ANP.

Joran Van der Sloot was arrested almost a year ago on suspicion of the murder of Peruvian woman Stephany Flores on 30 May 2010.

“The law says a trial should begin within 18 months,” said the lawyer. “If that doesn’t happen the accused should be released. That is not the same as an acquittal.''

Mr Altez expects the Public Prosecution Office to charge Van der Sloot within a month with either first degree murder (premeditated murder) or manslaughter.

If he is charged with manslaughter, Joran van der Sloot will plead guilty. In Peru, murder carries a 35 year maximum sentence. Manslaughter carries 20 years, but his lawyer believes with good behaviour his client could be released after just five or six years.

In case he is charged with murder, the defence is contesting police interrogations of the Dutchman. No official translator was present and Joran van der Sloot was not allowed to phone anyone which is against the rules. These objections have already been rejected, but the defence has filed an appeal. If the defence wins the appeal, it means Joran van der Sloot’s confession is no longer admissible.

<snipped>

http://www.rnw.nl/africa/bulletin/lawyer-request-release-joran-van-der-sloot


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 23, 2011, 07:13:16 PM
A Midnight Express Prison

Natalee Holloway's Mom: Aruba Investigators 'Not Following Up on Any Leads'
Wednesday, November 19, 2008


<snipped>

BETH HOLLOWAY: And Greta, I was just wanting to say that, you know, like I said, it's been a long time, but it's never too late for justice. And I'd be good with a "Midnight Express" prison anywhere for Joran.

<snipped

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454527,00.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: SuzieQ on May 23, 2011, 08:34:48 PM
http://www.rnw.nl/english/bulletin/lawyer-may-request-release-joran-van-der-sloot

If the trial of Dutchman Joran van der Sloot in Peru has not begun within six months, his lawyer Máximo Altez will submit a request for his client to await trial outside prison according to the Dutch press agency ANP.

Joran Van der Sloot was arrested almost a year ago on suspicion of the murder of Peruvian woman Stephany Flores on 30 May 2010.

“The law says a trial should begin within 18 months,” said the lawyer. “If that doesn’t happen the accused should be released. That is not the same as an acquittal.''

Mr Altez expects the Public Prosecution Office to charge Van der Sloot within a month with either first degree murder (premeditated murder) or manslaughter.

If he is charged with manslaughter, Joran van der Sloot will plead guilty. In Peru, murder carries a 35 year maximum sentence. Manslaughter carries 20 years, but his lawyer believes with good behaviour his client could be released after just five or six years

 ::snipping2::

Mr Altez is also involved in defending his client against accusations in the US that he tried to blackmail Natalee Holloway’s family in exchange for information on where the body was hidden. The teenager disappeared on the Caribbean island of Aruba exactly five years to the day before the murder of Stephany Flores. It's assumed she is dead but her body was never found. Joran van der Sloot is still the prime suspect although police do not have sufficient evidence to prosecute him. His lawyer claims it is the family who put his client under pressure to reveal the whereabouts of Natalee Holloway’s body and offered five million dollars for information.

 ::snipping2::


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Post by: MuffyBee on May 23, 2011, 08:45:04 PM
Seems very apparent to me Joran Van Der Sloot would definitely be a flight risk.  (Among other things...) JMHO


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Post by: Buckeye on May 23, 2011, 11:04:52 PM
O/T

I just finished watching the Amy Bradley story on Vanished.  It was very well done.  Sad, but done well.  Nice job, Beth!!!


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Post by: texasmom on May 24, 2011, 01:58:47 AM
O/T

I just finished watching the Amy Bradley story on Vanished.  It was very well done.  Sad, but done well.  Nice job, Beth!!!

I'd recorded it and just finished watching, I agree.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 24, 2011, 03:40:45 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

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and Stephany!
 ::justice2NJ::
 



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Post by: klaasend on May 24, 2011, 07:41:15 PM
DON'T MISS - THE DANA PRETZER SHOW AT 9PM ET TONIGHT!

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: wreck on May 24, 2011, 11:19:12 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo:: Wow, it just hit home that we are on the verge of 6 years without resolution. As heartbreaking as Caylee's plight is -- at least the case has a finite end in sight. God bless all of Natalee's family and EVERY Monkey here who has strived to find justice for her.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on May 24, 2011, 11:25:11 PM
::MonkeyNoNo:: Wow, it just hit home that we are on the verge of 6 years without resolution. As heartbreaking as Caylee's plight is -- at least the case has a finite end in sight. God bless all of Natalee's family and EVERY Monkey here who has strived to find justice for her.

 ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 25, 2011, 12:23:34 AM
::MonkeyNoNo:: Wow, it just hit home that we are on the verge of 6 years without resolution. As heartbreaking as Caylee's plight is -- at least the case has a finite end in sight. God bless all of Natalee's family and EVERY Monkey here who has strived to find justice for her.

 ::MonkeyAngel::


::rhino:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 25, 2011, 12:30:15 AM
::MonkeyNoNo:: Wow, it just hit home that we are on the verge of 6 years without resolution. As heartbreaking as Caylee's plight is -- at least the case has a finite end in sight. God bless all of Natalee's family and EVERY Monkey here who has strived to find justice for her.

I'm right there with ya Wreck. Through all of the ups and downs it is better to lift those up who seek justice for Natalee and Stephany. We are a group of people seeking the same thing..Still here, always will be, and will create even more change and justice outside of the matrix..God Bless.. ::MonkeyCool::


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Post by: texasmom on May 25, 2011, 12:47:32 AM
http://trome.pe/actualidad/761513/noticia-van-der-sloot-se-declararia-culplable

Google translation:

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 25, 2011, 01:13:54 AM
http://www.myspace.com/91798013

Aldo Cotrina

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About me:
I am a Peruvian Criminal Defendant Attorney with a big goal, single with two kids Aldinho (25 years old) and Jean Pierre (21 years old); College degree and owner of a prestigious "Professional Services Firm" in the area of Queens, New York.

Who I'd like to meet:
Ladies with big goals, funnies and able to do my life very ease.

Status: Single

Here for: Friends

Hometown: Westfield/NJ

Orientation: Straight

Body type: 5' 6" / Athletic

Ethnicity: Latino / Hispanic

Zodiac Sign: Capricorn

Children: Proud parent

Smoke / Drink: No / No

Education: Post grad

Occupation: Peruvian Defendant Attorney-Notary Public

Interests
General
Sports, movies, theaters, travels

Music
The best of the 70's, beside; Mozart, Chapin or Beethoven.

Movies
Yes, actions and funnies movies.

Television
Comics shows.

Books
Business books and Steven K.

Heroes
My son Aldo F. Cotrina (U.S.M) veteran of Afghanistan and Iraq. My son Jean Pierre, good and nice kid, very inteligent.


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Post by: texasmom on May 25, 2011, 01:30:10 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dD8UhssNkt4

http://www.youtube.com/v/dD8UhssNkt4?version=3

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 25, 2011, 04:05:13 AM
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on May 25, 2011, 08:21:49 AM
::MonkeyNoNo:: Wow, it just hit home that we are on the verge of 6 years without resolution. As heartbreaking as Caylee's plight is -- at least the case has a finite end in sight. God bless all of Natalee's family and EVERY Monkey here who has strived to find justice for her.

I'm right there with ya Wreck. Through all of the ups and downs it is better to lift those up who seek justice for Natalee and Stephany. We are a group of people seeking the same thing..Still here, always will be, and will create even more change and justice outside of the matrix..God Bless.. ::MonkeyCool::

Hi KTF  ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: SuzieQ on May 25, 2011, 01:19:29 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dD8UhssNkt4

http://www.youtube.com/v/dD8UhssNkt4?version=3

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/AldoCotrina_Youtube.jpg)


In other words, he is a notary public and tax preparer! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 25, 2011, 03:00:37 PM
I knew it!

I don't know where the sum of five million dollars came from but ... I had a hinky feeling that Joran van der Sloot's defence was going to claim "enticement" in regards to the allegation of extortion.

I hope that Joran van der Sloot spends the next 30 years in a Peruvian lockup for the murder of Stephany Flores prior to being extradited to the States to face the extortion charge.

Janet

+++++

Lawyer to request release of Joran van der Sloot
Published on 23 May 2011 - 9:28pm


<snipped>

Mr Altez is also involved in defending his client against accusations in the US that he tried to blackmail Natalee Holloway’s family in exchange for information on where the body was hidden.

<snipped>

His lawyer claims it is the family who put his client under pressure to reveal the whereabouts of Natalee Holloway’s body and offered five million dollars for information
.
<snipped>

http://www.rnw.nl/africa/bulletin/lawyer-request-release-joran-van-der-sloot


Holloway attorney details van der Sloot sting
John Q. Kelly set up suspect, who said he would show Holloway’s remains
By Mike Celizic
TODAYshow.com contributor
updated 6/11/2010 12:58:39 PM ET


<snipped>

In March, van der Sloot reached out to Kelly, demanding $250,000 from Holloway’s mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, in exchange for leading Kelly to the teenager’s remains, Kelly told TODAY.

Kelly said that when van der Sloot contacted him, he did not think he was going to learn the truth. His feelings, he said, were, “skepticism, caution, assuming everything he was going to tell me was false — but I had to understandably think that it might be true, also; so approach it very carefully and keep communicating.”

Kelly agreed to meet van der Sloot alone and brought no money — angering the suspect. Kelly then called the FBI to set up a sting, telling TODAY it only took $100 to convince van der Sloot to start talking with him again.

<snipped>

He regained van der Sloot’s attention by sending him $100. Then, with a promise that he would bring $25,000, another meeting was set up for May 10 in Aruba

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/37635627


Van der Sloot "true story" book
Published: 10/17/2010 11:39 am
Updated: 10/17/2010 11:51 am


<snipped>

The book, due out October 19, was co-written by Bert Huisjes and John van den Heuvel, the reporter who recently interviewed van der Sloot in his Castro Castro prison cell in Lima, Peru. That interview which appeared in De Telegraaf as well as on Dutch television contained little about the Natalee Holloway case beyond van der Sloot's admission that he scammed Natalee's family out of $25,000.

"I wanted to get back at Natalee's family - her parents have been making my life tough for five years," the paper quoted him as saying from prison in Peru.  "When they offered to pay for the girl's location, I thought: 'Why not'?"

<snipped>

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Van-der-Sloot-true-story-book/zMY1TGGVkU2Kc8LMCiU6pA.cspx


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Post by: texasmom on May 25, 2011, 05:52:04 PM
http://amigoe.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8001:joran-zit-goed-in-peru&catid=108:artikelen-aruba&Itemid=199

Google translation:

"Joran is good in Peru '

Wednesday, 25 May 2011 6:19 p.m.

ORANGE CITY / LIMA - Joran van der Sloot again he speaks to the United States will be extradited. At least, according to journalist John van den Heuvel in the Dutch press. Van den Heuvel said to have telephone contact with the murder suspect after reports that Joran to the U.S. will be extradited.

"Joran did not want to leave the prison where he is now, he has just found his niche in an area with other wealthy, Dutch of whom can benefit. For example, if he gets better food. It is therefore not help to be extradited to the U.S., "said Van den Heuvel in the AD. The journalist thinks that the confusion created by the arrival of another U.S. attorney in the defense team of Joran. According to Van den Heuvel lawyer that Joran wants to go to the U.S.. "Probably because his counsel finds it wonderful that he himself will get much publicity," said the journalist. "But I do not think it will happen."

The journalist calls frequently with Joran, so he said. Murder because the accused may submit a request to make or receive calls. Also, he says sometimes being called by Joran. This usually happens when he reports in the press want to clarify or rebut. According to Van den Heuvel sometimes they talk about general things about what it's like to sit in prison, or about his family and other personal items. The journalist wants to maintain regular contact with Joran. This is because the case against him, according to Van den Heuvel in August or September will be launched. The case is in fact near, the investigation is complete. The only delay is in the translation of the Joran statements by a sworn interpreter.

Joran is awaiting trial in the Castro Castro prison in Lima, Peru. He is accused of robbery in Stephany Flores, a 21-year-old Peruvian student, on May 30 last year. Should he be convicted for robbery, then hangs him a sentence of 30 years above the head. A conviction for murder passion, where his lawyer driving, he would come on up to five years to allow cell.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 25, 2011, 06:57:41 PM
http://www.crimesider.nl/2011_05_25_archive.html

Google translation:

WEDNESDAY, MAY 25, 2011

Joran to the U.S. or not?

There were several media reported this week that Joran van der Sloot like the U.S. would be extradited. Is not true, says crime reporter for The Times, John van den Heuvel. Joran is a good thing in the castro castro he says, and now has contact with other 'wealthy' Dutch whom he seems to cook a pot. Always better than the limp and dry rice soup prison from the prison kitchen of a prison as gogantische castro castro course.

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-7AItLxUplvw/TdzN3etQ_EI/AAAAAAAAEJ0/9RyoCDMbNCA/s320/Jorantattoo.JPG)

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-7AItLxUplvw/TdzN3etQ_EI/AAAAAAAAEJ0/9RyoCDMbNCA/s320/Jorantattoo.JPG

It was an incredible message, given the high penalties that Joran might face in the U.S., and everyone knows that the jail as well not 1, 2, 3 in order to write home about. Let alone the treatment that Joran can expect at the Yanks.

John van den Heuvel schiijnt regularly calling Joran. They know to report that the mother of Joran lost contact with her son. Can you imagine something. Usually, such a mother-dip temporarily and will ever be well again between mother and son, but at the moment, she just fed up with her son and his criminal impact.

::snipping2::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 25, 2011, 07:08:16 PM
http://www.crimesite.nl/dossier/joran/21280-van-der-sloot-wil-niet-weg-uit-peru.html

Google translation:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/05252011_CrimesiteNL_Joran.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 25, 2011, 10:30:13 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/bethandnatalee_01-1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Beth_hollowayfamilygall-550.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 25, 2011, 10:30:58 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon.jpg)

and Stephany!
 ::justice2NJ::
 



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: grace-land on May 25, 2011, 10:43:14 PM
Going back in time ...


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/06/03/earlyshow/main6544006.shtml

June 3, 2010 2:24 PM
Holloway Ally: Flores Murder Brings It All Back

 ::snipping2::

"We were actually digging in a landfill, and we went back to get the permits to continue digging. And Gerold Dompig actually took us to a little warehouse -- it was kind of like we were into do some drug deal like you see on TV -- and he says, 'You don't need to be digging in the landfill anymore,' he said 'Joran van der Sloot is responsible for this, that body was taken out to sea.' Gerald Dompig's words to us were that Joran van der Sloot was a sociopath, that he controlled the entire family, even his father was afraid of him. And it's unfortunate that more couldn't be done to have Joran locked up."

He continued, "The other question is, 'Where has Joran been for the last five years?' We know he's traveled all over the country. Where is his money coming from, who has he been involved with? And we hate to even think like that. Did he kill Natalee, did he kill Stephany, yes, but he's really responsible for his father's death dying way before his time with the stress he went through. So Joran van der Sloot single-handedly probably destroyed an island, destroyed two different families, and certainly his own family."

::snipping2::

Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/06/03/earlyshow/main6544006.shtml#ixzz1NQFUOCpB


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 26, 2011, 12:27:48 AM
May 26, 2005

I DROVE AWAY WITHOUT KNOWING

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway


Page 14-15:  On Thursday May 26, 2005, Natalee came into my bedroom at three o'clock in the morning to tell me it was almost time to go. Everyone was gathering at a friend's house for the ride to the airport. My job was to pick everyone up at the airport when they returned on Memorial Day, Monday, May 30, 2005.

While Natalee was going to be out of town, Jug was going to his lake house to visit with his family and friends. In our marriage, the second for both of us, we rarely vacationed together. My son, Matt, had made his own plans with friends for the weekend, so it was the perfect time for me to take a much-needed, overdue trip to my family's lake house in Hot Springs, Arkansas. I had not been there in a very long time. Birmingham is about nine hours away, so it was just too long a drive since moving here to make the trip on a regular basis. I was very much looking forward to visiting with my family. Everyone's plans were made.

In the wee hours on this Thursday morning Natalee and I loaded her things in the back of the car and headed off to her friend's house. It was very dark at that hour, and we were both only half awake. But we did talk some. Small talk. We reviewed what she had packed, going through a mental checklist of passport, cash, camera, sunscreen, and the like. When we arrived at her friend's house, she came to life. The adventure she had been excitedly awaiting for months was finally about to begin. She jumped out of the car and bounced to the back to get her bag. I got out and walked around the car to help her. She gathered her things and looked up long enough for me to kiss her on the cheek.

"I love you! Have a great time!" I told her.

She replied, "Bye, Mom! Love you!" and slung her purple duffel bag over her shoulder.

The bag made her walk slightly bent to its opposite side. I got back in the car as she made her way up the long walkway to the front door. Turning the car around to leave, I stopped and looked back over my shoulder to see her go inside. The front door of the house opened just wide enough for her to slip in. I saw her silhouette in the beam of light that shone from inside. The light narrowed as the door closed, then disappeared completely. It was pitch-black again. I drove away not knowing that would be the last time I would ever see Natalee.

 :smt049



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 26, 2011, 03:47:17 PM
It looks like TACO is continuing to represent the real winners in the world. A pretty sad story.

Kenneth Moreno, Franklin Mata Acquitted: NYPD Cops Accused Of Rape Cleared Of All But Minor Charge


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/26/kenneth-moreno-franklin-mata-acquitted_n_867467.html




Defense attorney Joseph Tacopina does not regret putting defendant on stand in cop-rape trial


The Manhattan cop charged with raping a drunken woman gave some cringe-worthy testimony, but his lawyer doesn't regret putting him on the stand.

"I'm glad he did," defense attorney Joseph Tacopina said of Officer Kenneth Moreno. "He wanted to take the stand. He's been sitting on his hands for two and a half years."

One of the more unsettling moments in Moreno's time on the stand came after prosecutor Coleen Balbert expressed amazement that he didn't tell his partner, Franklin Mata, "that she had come on to you, that you had to turn her down."

"I don't kiss and tell," replied Moreno, who also testified that he spooned with the woman in her bed and sang a Bon Jovi tune to her.

"We wanted this jury to hear that," Tacopina insisted. "He didn't rape this woman."

Balbert is expected to hammer Moreno again Friday in closing arguments at Manhattan Supreme Court as a liar and a letch who took advantage of the fashion executive while Mata stood lookout in her East Village apartment.

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-05-13/news/29553998_1_officer-kenneth-moreno-franklin-mata-edward-mandery


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 26, 2011, 08:31:12 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8038:arubaans-nieuws-online-en-in-het-engels&catid=159:headline-artikelen-entertainment&Itemid=219

Google translation:

(http://www.amigoe.com/images/stories/26-05-2011/686820.jpg)

Aruban news online and in English

Thursday, 26 May 2011 3:55 p.m.

ORANGE CITY - The English Aruba Herald news site is officially launched tomorrow. Owner Mark Benson Denz looking forward to this new chapter in its success, although somewhat anticipated as a media entrepreneur.

by our reporter:
Ariën Rasmijn

Fresh from a somewhat anticipated meeting is Mark Benson Denz's office within 24 Ora. Tomorrow Aruba Herald, the new English-language news site of its media business Headlines Group, officially launched by the Minister of Tourism, Labour and Transport, Otmar Oduber (AVP), while Destination Innovation Fair in Renaissance Convention Center.

The idea to launch an English news came two years ago. "For some reason 24 Ora suddenly went rigid in terms of visitors from outside the island, but also from people who live here who are not able to read Papiamento. From them we received the request for an English version of 24 Ora. We knew that question was and I started playing with the idea. But I was also still plenty to do and was only advance until early this year when I decided to do to do. "Aruba Herald goes on two target groups, people outside the island, including potential visitors, timeshare owners or people doing business on the island, and people on the island who are not able to read Papiamento. "Often these are people who are in business, so we live stock quotes and exchange rates on the site." Aruba Herald uses the same infrastructure as newsgathering and Ora 24. Although Aruba Tourism Authority (ATA) is the partner site will Aruba Herald news about robberies and other messages that may be sensitive to the tourism industry and sponsors of those life alert, says Denz. "We're not a tourist news, but just local news, lawsuits and political news sites. I'm born in Aruba, living here and want to live here and I know that our main source of income is tourism and I absolutely do nothing to undermine it, but I do not lie or cover up cases. In addition, people really do know what happens here. You do not like Papiamento-speaker only a passage of 24 Ora Google Translate into Spanish translate to find out that there were also raided. "Nevertheless Denz deliberately chooses to compromise and he will certainly not front page filled with robberies . "Of the four in one day, we place a guess. In addition, you also receive certain news a certain twist, notably the positive-solving aspect is brought forward. "Initially, reports of robberies and other crimes under the tab 'Crime' will fall. "There were people worried about. We opted for the more neutral '911 '. Denz yet fills his own hand the Aruba Herald site. Denz: "In principle, only articles need to be translated. I think I once when the site running, and later take a translator there. But for now I do it myself. "

This is the fourth product in the portfolio Denz, which is home marketer. In the four and half years Headlines that his group is active, his company has gradually expanded. "When I started I worked as a marketing manager at Cool FM. Only a half years later, I could draw a salary for myself. Personally I really expect it would run faster. But the advertising is, in part still very traditional. It took a while before we realized what we can do and what our grasp. "Ora 24 is still the most visited news site in Aruba.
 ::snipping2::


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Post by: San on May 26, 2011, 09:41:55 PM
It looks like TACO is continuing to represent the real winners in the world. A pretty sad story.

Kenneth Moreno, Franklin Mata Acquitted: NYPD Cops Accused Of Rape Cleared Of All But Minor Charge


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/26/kenneth-moreno-franklin-mata-acquitted_n_867467.html




Defense attorney Joseph Tacopina does not regret putting defendant on stand in cop-rape trial


The Manhattan cop charged with raping a drunken woman gave some cringe-worthy testimony, but his lawyer doesn't regret putting him on the stand.

"I'm glad he did," defense attorney Joseph Tacopina said of Officer Kenneth Moreno. "He wanted to take the stand. He's been sitting on his hands for two and a half years."

One of the more unsettling moments in Moreno's time on the stand came after prosecutor Coleen Balbert expressed amazement that he didn't tell his partner, Franklin Mata, "that she had come on to you, that you had to turn her down."

"I don't kiss and tell," replied Moreno, who also testified that he spooned with the woman in her bed and sang a Bon Jovi tune to her.

"We wanted this jury to hear that," Tacopina insisted. "He didn't rape this woman."

Balbert is expected to hammer Moreno again Friday in closing arguments at Manhattan Supreme Court as a liar and a letch who took advantage of the fashion executive while Mata stood lookout in her East Village apartment.

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-05-13/news/29553998_1_officer-kenneth-moreno-franklin-mata-edward-mandery
I don't know how Tacopina sleeps at night representing these two scums of the earth.

I am so disgusted.

NYPD cops Kenneth Moreno, Franklin Mata not guilty of rape, but city faces 'do-over' civil trial

BY Melissa Grace
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Thursday, May 26th 2011, 9:30 PM


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2011/05/26/2011-05-26_millions_still_be_at_stake_in_doover_civil_trial.html#ixzz1NVqWL8kB


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: San on May 26, 2011, 09:44:32 PM
I hope this girl wins millions.  How does he afford an attorney like Tacopina. The unfortunate thing is that these two cops don't feel guilty for what they did.  They are both arrogant.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 26, 2011, 10:01:46 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/26/kenneth-moreno-franklin-mata_n_867694.html?icid=main|htmlws-main-n|dl1|sec1_lnk1|214362 (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/26/kenneth-moreno-franklin-mata_n_867694.html?icid=main|htmlws-main-n|dl1|sec1_lnk1|214362)

Kenneth Moreno, Franklin Mata Fired From NYPD After Misconduct Charge

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The NYPD fired two Manhattan cops today hours after they were acquitted of rape, according to the New York Daily News.

Officers Kenneth Moreno and Franklin Mata were found not guilty today of raping a drunken East Village woman they'd been called to help. Both men, however, were found guilty of official misconduct for going back into the woman's apartment three times without alerting their superiors.

 ::snipping2::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 26, 2011, 10:10:32 PM
I understand that the police have one of the toughest jobs in the world, but where is the accountability? If the cop agreed that he "spooned" her, whatever that is, isn't that deemed sexual assault?


"I don't kiss and tell," replied Moreno, who also testified that he spooned with the woman in her bed and sang a Bon Jovi tune to her.

"We wanted this jury to hear that," Tacopina insisted. "He didn't rape this woman."


::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Thanks for the link TM.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 26, 2011, 10:20:56 PM
I hope this girl wins millions.  How does he afford an attorney like Tacopina. The unfortunate thing is that these two cops don't feel guilty for what they did.  They are both arrogant.

Good question.  But when you think about what they did, imagining either (or both) of them being paid off for who knows what wouldn't be beyond the scope imo.  And I'm sure there have been plenty of opportunities for that extra tax-free income along the way.

Tacopina sure can pick them can't he?  He's dirty and sickening.  jmo

::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

         


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 26, 2011, 10:25:20 PM
I understand that the police have one of the toughest jobs in the world, but where is the accountability? If the cop agreed that he "spooned" her, whatever that is, isn't that deemed sexual assault?


"I don't kiss and tell," replied Moreno, who also testified that he spooned with the woman in her bed and sang a Bon Jovi tune to her.

"We wanted this jury to hear that," Tacopina insisted. "He didn't rape this woman."


::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Thanks for the link TM.

yw KTF

I think plenty are mad about the injustice just from some of the comments I've read at that link.  I hope they raise hell about it!  I'm glad they got fired after the fact, but that's not enough!  Tacopina's probably already planning the lawsuit over that.
 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: San on May 26, 2011, 10:26:50 PM
I hope this girl wins millions.  How does he afford an attorney like Tacopina. The unfortunate thing is that these two cops don't feel guilty for what they did.  They are both arrogant.

Good question.  But when you think about what they did, imagining either (or both) of them being paid off for who knows what wouldn't be beyond the scope imo.  And I'm sure there have been plenty of opportunities for that extra tax-free income along the way.

Tacopina sure can pick them can't he?  He's dirty and sickening.  jmo

::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::
  

I actually think he sympathizes with these criminals.  He has to put in his mind that they are good people in order for him to take a case like this one.  His brain has forgotten what it's like to think like a good person.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: San on May 26, 2011, 10:30:32 PM
I understand that the police have one of the toughest jobs in the world, but where is the accountability? If the cop agreed that he "spooned" her, whatever that is, isn't that deemed sexual assault?


"I don't kiss and tell," replied Moreno, who also testified that he spooned with the woman in her bed and sang a Bon Jovi tune to her.

"We wanted this jury to hear that," Tacopina insisted. "He didn't rape this woman."


::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Thanks for the link TM.

yw KTF

I think plenty are mad about the injustice just from some of the comments I've read at that link.  I hope they raise hell about it!  I'm glad they got fired after the fact, but that's not enough!  Tacopina's probably already planning the lawsuit over that.
 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Tacopina made a comment earlier today saying something like they weren't going back to their jobs.  Sort of like he knew they were going to get fired.  About an hour later they were fired.  I think the NYPD was planning this all along.  They only needed to be found guilty on that one charge in order for them to be fired.  They aren't going to sue because this will open a big can of worms that they don't want to be opened.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 26, 2011, 10:35:06 PM
I hope this girl wins millions.  How does he afford an attorney like Tacopina. The unfortunate thing is that these two cops don't feel guilty for what they did.  They are both arrogant.

Good question.  But when you think about what they did, imagining either (or both) of them being paid off for who knows what wouldn't be beyond the scope imo.  And I'm sure there have been plenty of opportunities for that extra tax-free income along the way.

Tacopina sure can pick them can't he?  He's dirty and sickening.  jmo

::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::
  

I actually think he sympathizes with these criminals.  He has to put in his mind that they are good people in order for him to take a case like this one.  His brain has forgotten what it's like to think like a good person.

Too much time spent with Anita, and training his brain to defend her delicious sporter...    ::MonkeyRoll::  ::piggy::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: San on May 26, 2011, 10:37:20 PM
I hope the judge gives them the max which could be 2 years for the charge they were found guilty of.  That would shock the sh#t out of them and wipe the smirk off their faces.  Then they can be let out and try to look for a job.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: San on May 26, 2011, 10:38:11 PM
I hope this girl wins millions.  How does he afford an attorney like Tacopina. The unfortunate thing is that these two cops don't feel guilty for what they did.  They are both arrogant.

Good question.  But when you think about what they did, imagining either (or both) of them being paid off for who knows what wouldn't be beyond the scope imo.  And I'm sure there have been plenty of opportunities for that extra tax-free income along the way.

Tacopina sure can pick them can't he?  He's dirty and sickening.  jmo

::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::
  

I actually think he sympathizes with these criminals.  He has to put in his mind that they are good people in order for him to take a case like this one.  His brain has forgotten what it's like to think like a good person.

Too much time spent with Anita, and training his brain to defend her delicious sporter...    ::MonkeyRoll::  ::piggy::

Ain't that the truth.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 26, 2011, 11:58:41 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon.jpg)

and Stephany!
 ::justice2NJ::
 




::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 27, 2011, 09:57:19 AM
NATALEE HOLLOWAY RESOURCE CENTER

NHRC Mission


The NHRC focuses educational programs, including a traveling safe program, crime prevention and encourages careers in the fields of forensic science and law enforcement.

The NHRC also provides families of missing persons with an action plan, missing poster templates, contacts, resources, and handles press releases and media reach

http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC


Shelley Jones Mook

National center helps search for missing Shelbyville teacher
May 27, 2011


The family of a missing Shelbyville, Tenn., teacher is getting some help in the search for its loved one.

The case of Shelley Jones Mook, 25, was referred to the Natalee Holloway Resource Center this week, according to a news release from the agency.

Mook was last seen on Feb. 28 at her ex-husband’s house in Shelbyville. Her car was found burning on the outskirts of Murfreesboro later that evening.

The Natalee Holloway Resource Center provides families of missing people with an action plan, missing person poster templates, contacts and resources, and it handles news releases and media reach after a loved one has gone missing.

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http://www.tennessean.com/article/20110527/NEWS/305270045/National-center-helps-search-for-missing-Shelbyville-teacher



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 27, 2011, 10:54:37 AM
[MAY 27, 2010

Natalee Holloway missing persons center set to open in D.C. in June


The 2005 disappearance of high school graduate Natalee Holloway in Aruba during a senior class trip set off a media frenzy that resulted in several books, a Lifetime network movie and hours and hours of coverage. But years have passed and there is still no word on what happened to Holloway.

Her mother, Beth Holloway, who has worked tirelessly to keep attention on her daughter's disappearance, will be in Washington in June to announce the opening of the Natalee Holloway Resource Center, a new nonprofit to assist families searching for missing relatives.

The center will be based at the National Museum of Crime & Punishment on Seventh Street NW near Chinatown and the Verizon Center. The museum features Holloway's disappearance in its "Cold Case" exhibit.

The nonprofit plans to serve as a crisis clearinghouse for families of missing persons in the United States and abroad, according to a statement from the museum. The nonprofit plans to give family members a plan, contact information, a media liaison and other services. It also will offer guidelines for children and adults to travel safely, including creating a national network of college volunteers who will promote the group's safe travel program to high school and college students.

<snipped>

“In creating this organization, we hope to prevent as many missing person cases as possible." Holloway said in a statement. "But if tragedy does strike and a person goes missing, we want to provide the families support and reduce the numerous challenges that I experienced, and hopefully lead to the rescue and recovery of many more missing persons across the globe.”

By Theola Labbé-DeBose  |  May 27, 2010; 11:01 AM ET

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/crime-scene/around-the-nation/natalee-holloway-missing-perso.html



"Tragedy creates an opportunity to make a difference."

Beth Holloway - May, 2010





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: KatzHome on May 27, 2011, 08:40:50 PM
Hi, I saw something in the Enquirer, or was it the Globe, about Joran hiding Natalee's body in a cemetary in someone's grave... Is there any news on this... is this being investigated?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on May 27, 2011, 08:52:52 PM
Hi, I saw something in the Enquirer, or was it the Globe, about Joran hiding Natalee's body in a cemetary in someone's grave... Is there any news on this... is this being investigated?

Hi Katz - that was last month it was in the NE.  I posted here.  As far as I know nothing has been done about it.  You wouldn't expect Aruba to do anything now would you?

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: KatzHome on May 27, 2011, 09:25:14 PM
Hi Klass! {{{hugs}}} Thanks for answering me... A whole month ago... and nothing done... No, I really don't expect Aruba to do anything... Hummm The Enquirer... It seems to me that they really do have good inside information... worth following up on... and I was thinking of how it could be done... yeah, they wouldn't know which grave... but it should be on record who was buried at around that time... a lead fairly easy to follow up on... I prayed so much for peace and strength for Natalee's family... it seems that they have found it... Natalee is in Heaven... and I so pray that her family is given everything that they need and God's help in all that they do.

Have a beautiful and blessed Memorial Weekend.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on May 27, 2011, 09:40:57 PM
Hi Klass! {{{hugs}}} Thanks for answering me... A whole month ago... and nothing done... No, I really don't expect Aruba to do anything... Hummm The Enquirer... It seems to me that they really do have good inside information... worth following up on... and I was thinking of how it could be done... yeah, they wouldn't know which grave... but it should be on record who was buried at around that time... a lead fairly easy to follow up on... I prayed so much for peace and strength for Natalee's family... it seems that they have found it... Natalee is in Heaven... and I so pray that her family is given everything that they need and God's help in all that they do.

Have a beautiful and blessed Memorial Weekend.

When I posted it in the forum last month it was mentioned by more than one person that would be the perfect place.  I know we all looked into it at the time.  Would be hard to search there.

Edited to add that right about the same time that article came out Betico Croes grave was vandalized.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 27, 2011, 10:58:57 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8038:arubaans-nieuws-online-en-in-het-engels&catid=159:headline-artikelen-entertainment&Itemid=219

Google translation:

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Aruban news online and in English

Thursday, 26 May 2011 3:55 p.m.

ORANGE CITY - The English Aruba Herald news site is officially launched tomorrow. Owner Mark Benson Denz looking forward to this new chapter in its success, although somewhat anticipated as a media entrepreneur.

by our reporter:
Ariën Rasmijn

Fresh from a somewhat anticipated meeting is Mark Benson Denz's office within 24 Ora. Tomorrow Aruba Herald, the new English-language news site of its media business Headlines Group, officially launched by the Minister of Tourism, Labour and Transport, Otmar Oduber (AVP), while Destination Innovation Fair in Renaissance Convention Center.

The idea to launch an English news came two years ago. "For some reason 24 Ora suddenly went rigid in terms of visitors from outside the island, but also from people who live here who are not able to read Papiamento. From them we received the request for an English version of 24 Ora. We knew that question was and I started playing with the idea. But I was also still plenty to do and was only advance until early this year when I decided to do to do. "Aruba Herald goes on two target groups, people outside the island, including potential visitors, timeshare owners or people doing business on the island, and people on the island who are not able to read Papiamento. "Often these are people who are in business, so we live stock quotes and exchange rates on the site." Aruba Herald uses the same infrastructure as newsgathering and Ora 24. Although Aruba Tourism Authority (ATA) is the partner site will Aruba Herald news about robberies and other messages that may be sensitive to the tourism industry and sponsors of those life alert, says Denz. "We're not a tourist news, but just local news, lawsuits and political news sites. I'm born in Aruba, living here and want to live here and I know that our main source of income is tourism and I absolutely do nothing to undermine it, but I do not lie or cover up cases. In addition, people really do know what happens here. You do not like Papiamento-speaker only a passage of 24 Ora Google Translate into Spanish translate to find out that there were also raided. "Nevertheless Denz deliberately chooses to compromise and he will certainly not front page filled with robberies . "Of the four in one day, we place a guess. In addition, you also receive certain news a certain twist, notably the positive-solving aspect is brought forward. "Initially, reports of robberies and other crimes under the tab 'Crime' will fall. "There were people worried about. We opted for the more neutral '911 '. Denz yet fills his own hand the Aruba Herald site. Denz: "In principle, only articles need to be translated. I think I once when the site running, and later take a translator there. But for now I do it myself. "

This is the fourth product in the portfolio Denz, which is home marketer. In the four and half years Headlines that his group is active, his company has gradually expanded. "When I started I worked as a marketing manager at Cool FM. Only a half years later, I could draw a salary for myself. Personally I really expect it would run faster. But the advertising is, in part still very traditional. It took a while before we realized what we can do and what our grasp. "Ora 24 is still the most visited news site in Aruba.
 ::snipping2::

http://arubaherald.com/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on May 27, 2011, 11:11:13 PM
Aruba Herald uses the same infrastructure as newsgathering and Ora 24. Although Aruba Tourism Authority (ATA) is the partner site will Aruba Herald news about robberies and other messages that may be sensitive to the tourism industry and sponsors of those life alert, says Denz. "We're not a tourist news, but just local news, lawsuits and political news sites. I'm born in Aruba, living here and want to live here and I know that our main source of income is tourism and I absolutely do nothing to undermine it, but I do not lie or cover up cases.

Yeah right ...


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 27, 2011, 11:14:19 PM
http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=1769915

Full Moon Red edition @ Nikky Beach 21 may2011

(http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1770579&g2_serialNumber=4)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 27, 2011, 11:23:32 PM
Aruba Herald uses the same infrastructure as newsgathering and Ora 24. Although Aruba Tourism Authority (ATA) is the partner site will Aruba Herald news about robberies and other messages that may be sensitive to the tourism industry and sponsors of those life alert, says Denz. "We're not a tourist news, but just local news, lawsuits and political news sites. I'm born in Aruba, living here and want to live here and I know that our main source of income is tourism and I absolutely do nothing to undermine it, but I do not lie or cover up cases.

Yeah right ...

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 28, 2011, 03:12:14 AM
 ::HelloKitty:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on May 28, 2011, 07:48:26 AM
Aruba Herald uses the same infrastructure as newsgathering and Ora 24. Although Aruba Tourism Authority (ATA) is the partner site will Aruba Herald news about robberies and other messages that may be sensitive to the tourism industry and sponsors of those life alert, says Denz. "We're not a tourist news, but just local news, lawsuits and political news sites. I'm born in Aruba, living here and want to live here and I know that our main source of income is tourism and I absolutely do nothing to undermine it, but I do not lie or cover up cases.

Yeah right ...

For anyone that believes that article, as my Dad would say:
 I have a bridge to sell you.    ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Buckeye on May 28, 2011, 01:12:44 PM
Aruba Herald uses the same infrastructure as newsgathering and Ora 24. Although Aruba Tourism Authority (ATA) is the partner site will Aruba Herald news about robberies and other messages that may be sensitive to the tourism industry and sponsors of those life alert, says Denz. "We're not a tourist news, but just local news, lawsuits and political news sites. I'm born in Aruba, living here and want to live here and I know that our main source of income is tourism and I absolutely do nothing to undermine it, but I do not lie or cover up cases.

Yeah right ...

For anyone that believes that article, as my Dad would say:
 I have a bridge to sell you.    ::MonkeyTongue::


From a discussion on the Aruba Forums, regarding this "new", newspaper:

Thank you...but what we need is an online and or print English version of Diario....we really need to know what is going on!



You are absolutely right! I love the Diario.


http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=83159&sid=0cd0244abb89d319872b57d7c2f4f971





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 28, 2011, 01:16:41 PM
Aruba Herald uses the same infrastructure as newsgathering and Ora 24. Although Aruba Tourism Authority (ATA) is the partner site will Aruba Herald news about robberies and other messages that may be sensitive to the tourism industry and sponsors of those life alert, says Denz. "We're not a tourist news, but just local news, lawsuits and political news sites. I'm born in Aruba, living here and want to live here and I know that our main source of income is tourism and I absolutely do nothing to undermine it, but I do not lie or cover up cases.

Yeah right ...

For anyone that believes that article, as my Dad would say:
 I have a bridge to sell you.    ::MonkeyTongue::


From a discussion on the Aruba Forums, regarding this "new", newspaper:

Thank you...but what we need is an online and or print English version of Diario....we really need to know what is going on!



You are absolutely right! I love the Diario.


http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=83159&sid=0cd0244abb89d319872b57d7c2f4f971


Thanks Buckeye!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: grace-land on May 28, 2011, 10:24:57 PM
http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/van-der-Sloot-wants-to-stay-in-Peru/NRbzT0chCUeMXz7-OzAs6w.cspx

van der Sloot wants to stay in Peru

Birmingham, Ala (WIAT)  All things considered, Joran van der Sloot would rather do any prison sentence in Peru.

That's what the accused murderer told Dutch reporter John van den Heuvel.

"He has just found his niche in an area with other wealthy, Dutch of whom can benefit. For example, he gets better food." van den Heuvel as quoted on the Dutch website AD.NL.

 ::snipping2::

The Netherlands and Peru are waiting ratification of a treaty that would allow each other's nationals to serve any prison sentences in their home country.  Van der Sloot's lawyer says he'll plead guilty to the reduced not charges but not to the murder charge.  If convicted on the murder charge, he would forfeit appeal rights if he opted to serve his time in Holland.

 ::snipping2::

There have been reports in the Peruvian media that van der Sloot wants to be extradited to the U.S. but his Peruvian lawyer, Max Altez, says those reports are wrong.   There are also reports that Stephany Flores' family wants van der Sloot extradited to face the U.S. charges after his trial in Peru.  If van der Sloot gets only a 3-5 year sentence in Peru, it's very likely he'd serve more time in the U.S. on the extortion and wire fraud charges.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 28, 2011, 10:58:26 PM
http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/van-der-Sloot-wants-to-stay-in-Peru/NRbzT0chCUeMXz7-OzAs6w.cspx

van der Sloot wants to stay in Peru

Birmingham, Ala (WIAT)  All things considered, Joran van der Sloot would rather do any prison sentence in Peru.

That's what the accused murderer told Dutch reporter John van den Heuvel.

"He has just found his niche in an area with other wealthy, Dutch of whom can benefit. For example, he gets better food." van den Heuvel as quoted on the Dutch website AD.NL.

 ::snipping2::

The Netherlands and Peru are waiting ratification of a treaty that would allow each other's nationals to serve any prison sentences in their home country.  Van der Sloot's lawyer says he'll plead guilty to the reduced not charges but not to the murder charge.  If convicted on the murder charge, he would forfeit appeal rights if he opted to serve his time in Holland.

 ::snipping2::

There have been reports in the Peruvian media that van der Sloot wants to be extradited to the U.S. but his Peruvian lawyer, Max Altez, says those reports are wrong.   There are also reports that Stephany Flores' family wants van der Sloot extradited to face the U.S. charges after his trial in Peru.  If van der Sloot gets only a 3-5 year sentence in Peru, it's very likely he'd serve more time in the U.S. on the extortion and wire fraud charges.





'Joran lives like a king in jail.  It is shameful what happens in prisons. I think the INPE has to give the same treatment to all criminals.'

Ricardo Flores - November, 2010

http://www.generaccion.com/noticia/83737/familia-flores-aseguran-que-joran-van-der-sloot-vive-como-rey


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 29, 2011, 12:54:53 AM
http://amigoe.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8120:abn-amro-toont-interesse-voor-aruba&catid=108:artikelen-aruba&Itemid=199

Google translation:

ABN AMRO showing interest in Aruba

Saturday, 28 May 2011 6:39 p.m.

ORANGE CITY - The Dutch bank ABN AMRO has a "high interest" in projects in Aruba. This was evident by recent statements by Alex Driessen, director of the Export Finance Bank.
Driessen made these statements after a presentation by Prime Minister Mike Eman (AVP) to the Association of Dutch Businessmen (VNO / NCW) in Mali Tower in The Hague. Here was the Prime Minister gave a presentation to a selection of companies who might be interested to open an office in Aruba. It was not the intention that firms produce, but rather for reaching their policies on activities in the region.

ABN already has a share in the Father Peter windfarm, says Driessen. Including as funder. "So we know your country for several years now." He was impressed with the capabilities and stability of the island, as presented by Eman. "Certainly the story of the gateway is very appealing." Our island would be more itself as Europe's gateway to Latin and Central America and vice versa. "I think the chances are it will not stay with only a positive impression, but we take each other more will go in the future," says Driessen promising.

Establishment
He continues that high level contacts between the bank and the Aruban government. "There's a few days ago a discussion took place with the Prime Minister and one of the members of our board," said Driessen. He hints that there is talk about financing the expansion of the wind farm. More like this he does not lose. Asked whether there is a chance that ABN AMRO will settle again in Aruba, he wants to make any firm conclusions. "It's not my place to say something, put it first." On further cooperation with the following bank says Driessen. "From what we have heard today and in meetings with our board, it speaks a lot of high interest. I therefore do not exclude that it will happen again. But when we talk about a specific project, it is still too early to make a comment on them. "

Philips
Among the other potential candidates are Dutch companies that dredging works in the Panama Canal as well as companies-Ballast Nedam, Interbeton and Philips. Eman has previously told this newspaper that these companies have offices in Venezuela. "While we in our Dutch legal system and just thirty miles away and yet are not sitting here." According to the premier sites for many of these companies with a favorable fiscal and legal environment. Competition from other Antillean islands, he fears not. According to Eman infrastructure on Aruba better than the small islands. Moreover, the air and sea links and the network of lawyers and accounting firms to give our island a better competitive position.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 29, 2011, 01:24:53 AM
http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474979372635

Tennessee Woman Remains Missing; Holloway Search Center Offers Help

May 26, 2011 08:10 PM EDT

As a woman in Tennessee remains missing after several months, the Natalee Holloway Resource Center is going to help assist in the search. Shelley Lynn Mook was last seen after dropping her daughters off at her husband's home in Shelbyville, Tennessee. The young 24-year-old mother seemed to vanish in thin air, not unlike other similar cases in Tennessee.

The Natalee Holloway Resource Center specializes in distributing awareness materials focusing on missing people such as posters and search coordinations.

::snipping2::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 29, 2011, 01:56:03 AM
http://www.helpthemissing.org/

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 29, 2011, 01:58:10 AM
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Justice for Natalee,

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and Stephany!
 ::justice2NJ::
 



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 29, 2011, 11:41:20 AM
May 26, 2005

I DROVE AWAY WITHOUT KNOWING

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway


Page 14-15:  On Thursday May 26, 2005, Natalee came into my bedroom at three o'clock in the morning to tell me it was almost time to go. Everyone was gathering at a friend's house for the ride to the airport. My job was to pick everyone up at the airport when they returned on Memorial Day, Monday, May 30, 2005.

While Natalee was going to be out of town, Jug was going to his lake house to visit with his family and friends. In our marriage, the second for both of us, we rarely vacationed together. My son, Matt, had made his own plans with friends for the weekend, so it was the perfect time for me to take a much-needed, overdue trip to my family's lake house in Hot Springs, Arkansas. I had not been there in a very long time. Birmingham is about nine hours away, so it was just too long a drive since moving here to make the trip on a regular basis. I was very much looking forward to visiting with my family. Everyone's plans were made.

In the wee hours on this Thursday morning Natalee and I loaded her things in the back of the car and headed off to her friend's house. It was very dark at that hour, and we were both only half awake. But we did talk some. Small talk. We reviewed what she had packed, going through a mental checklist of passport, cash, camera, sunscreen, and the like. When we arrived at her friend's house, she came to life. The adventure she had been excitedly awaiting for months was finally about to begin. She jumped out of the car and bounced to the back to get her bag. I got out and walked around the car to help her. She gathered her things and looked up long enough for me to kiss her on the cheek.

"I love you! Have a great time!" I told her.

She replied, "Bye, Mom! Love you!" and slung her purple duffel bag over her shoulder.

The bag made her walk slightly bent to its opposite side. I got back in the car as she made her way up the long walkway to the front door. Turning the car around to leave, I stopped and looked back over my shoulder to see her go inside. The front door of the house opened just wide enough for her to slip in. I saw her silhouette in the beam of light that shone from inside. The light narrowed as the door closed, then disappeared completely. It was pitch-black again. I drove away not knowing that would be the last time I would ever see Natalee.

 :smt049


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Post by: Tamikosmom on May 29, 2011, 11:42:28 AM
May 30, 2005

THE PROVERBIAL DREADED PHONE CALL

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway


Page 23:  Rested and refreshed, we leave Memphis late Monday morning with Linda driving and Marilyn up front with her.  I take the backseat.  We sail along, chatting like we alway do, talking about our plans for another road trip one day soon.  Marilyn and I are happily speculating about what our daughters' reactions will be when they open their presents to find a set of extraordinary Wizard of Oz figures.  Natalee will gasp with excitement when she sees these.  Before we know it, we've crossed over into Mississippi.  Somewhere amid our conversation, between the chuckles and the small talk, my cell phone rings. I don't recognize the number, but answer it anyway, which I usually don't do.

It's a young girl.  "Mrs. Twitty?  My mom ... umm ... my mom, she umm ... wants to talk to you."  It's the daughter of Judi, the travel agent.  She developed appendicitis right before the trip, so she and Jodi didn't get to go to Aruba.  They are in Birmingham.  It seems like an eternity before Jodi takes the phone.

"Tell me what's going on," I say in a voice much firmer than the one I usually hear coming from my mouth.

She simply says, "Natalee didn't show up this morning to get on the plane."

And instantly I know.  It's more than a mother's intuition.  It's certainty.  Something terrible has happened.  I have just answered the proverbial dreaded phone call that no mother or father every wants to receive.  The one we fear from the moment our children are born.  The one that changes a parent's life forever.

 :smt049



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 29, 2011, 12:08:20 PM
Six years ago today...  :cry:

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Post by: texasmom on May 29, 2011, 12:11:33 PM
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Post by: texasmom on May 29, 2011, 12:18:34 PM
http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20147942,00.html

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Post by: MuffyBee on May 29, 2011, 12:48:24 PM
Natalee's Candles

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=NAH

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Nat%27s


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Post by: texasmom on May 29, 2011, 12:50:55 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renfro/052820111-1.jpg)

Joran and his attorney admit it, but she still won't.  ::MonkeyNoNo::



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Drunk again....so transparent.     ::MonkeyRoll::

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Post by: texasmom on May 29, 2011, 12:52:10 PM
Natalee's Candles

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=NAH

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Nat%27s
::MonkeyAngel::


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Post by: SuzieQ on May 29, 2011, 01:21:11 PM
Natalee's Candles

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=NAH

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Nat%27s
::MonkeyAngel::


 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 29, 2011, 02:51:20 PM
http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/van-der-Sloot-broke-and-desperate-when-he-met/iRvIZFLM0ESRECHhQp3ERA.cspx

Van der Sloot broke and desperate when he met Flores
   
Story Published: 1:16 pm Updated: 1:27 pm

Birmingham, Ala (WIAT)  Joran Van der Sloot was broke and desperate hours in a hotel room he couldn’t pay for. His luck had run out at a nearby casino. And then he met a young woman who had just cashed in.

Van der Sloot spent almost an hour on the phone with a Dutch friend on May 28, 2010….two days before he met and killed Stephany Flores.

Van der Sloot told his friend he was broke and couldn’t pay his hotel tab at Lima’s TAC hotel where he had been for five days playing in a poker tournament. The call to Stan Pluijmen was later listened to by Dutch police.

During the forty four minutes the two talked about business plans that apparently involved $25,000 van der Sloot got from the Holloway family in exchange for information about Natalee’s fate. It had been just days shy of five years since Natalee disappeared on a graduation trip to Aruba. The Mountain Brook teen was last seen leaving an Oranjestad bar with van der Sloot.

 ::snipping2::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 29, 2011, 03:10:40 PM
http://elcomercio.pe/lima/764530/noticia-caso-van-der-sloot-antes-despues-crimen-stephany-flores

Google translation:

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Post by: klaasend on May 29, 2011, 04:00:52 PM
  ::MonkeyAngel:: 6 YEARS TODAY  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: can on May 29, 2011, 04:03:12 PM
Natalee's Candles

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=NAH

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Nat%27s

Thanks Muffy!   ::MonkeyAngel:: ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: can on May 29, 2011, 04:09:16 PM
  ::MonkeyAngel:: 6 YEARS TODAY  ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::MonkeyNoNo::  So sad.  Nat's family is still waiting.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: can on May 29, 2011, 04:11:48 PM
texasmom -  ::HelloKitty::  and thank you for your devotion and research. ::MonkeyHeart:: ::MonkeyHeart:: ::MonkeyHeart::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 29, 2011, 04:19:23 PM
texasmom -  ::HelloKitty::  and thank you for your devotion and research. ::MonkeyHeart:: ::MonkeyHeart:: ::MonkeyHeart::

Hi can!   ::HelloKitty::

You're welcome!   ::MonkeyAngel::

Justice for Natalee!   ::MonkeyGavel:: ::justice2NJ:: ::rhino::


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Post by: grace-land on May 29, 2011, 04:42:40 PM
http://www.nu.nl/buitenland/2527484/joran-doodde-peruaanse-mogelijk-geld.html

Joran killed Peruvian possible to make money
Published: May 29, 2011 9:09 p.m.
Last updated: May 29, 2011 9:09 p.m.

AMSTERDAM - Joran van der Sloot, the Peruvian Stephany Flores possibly killed because she refused to give him money. Joran was broke and had no money to pay his hotel room and could barely buy a meal.

That's in a conversation he had with a friend, shows a representation of the session that is held by a correspondent for Reuters News.

"If they throw me out of the hotel again, I might do crazy things," said Van der Sloot last year at a poker friend Limburg, two days before the death of Flores.

Van der Sloot said that if necessary he would "prostitute" if anyone would help him with his money problems. He complains in the chat that his family refuses to give him money.

 ::snipping2::

Monday is exactly one year ago that the 21-year-old Peruvian was killed. It is expected that the trial against Van der Sloot will start within two months.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 29, 2011, 05:00:05 PM
I just read about Grave Wax (Adipocere) over in the Caylee Anthony case.   It says
 that the process of forming Grave Wax can last for many years in the right enviorment.
I wonder if it could be found in the trap/cage since it was determined by Aruba
that there was a body there.
I remember Kyle saying something about the impression where the organs would
have been and the impression left on the cage floor.
I do not know if Salt Water would have a different effect on the substance.

The transformation of fats into adipocere(Grave Wax) occurs best in the absence of oxygen in a cold and humid environment, such as in wet ground or mud at the bottom of a lake or a sealed casket, and it can occur with both embalmed and untreated bodies. Adipocere formation begins within a month of death, and in the absence of air it can persist for centuries.[3] An exposed, infested body or a body in a warm environment is unlikely to form deposits of adipocere.

Corpses of women, infants and overweight persons are particularly prone to adipocere transformation because they contain more body fat.[1] In forensic science, the utility of adipocere formation to estimate the postmortem interval is limited because the speed of the process is temperature-dependent. It is accelerated by warmth, but temperature extremes impede it.[1]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adipocere


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 29, 2011, 05:38:12 PM
I just read about Grave Wax (Adipocere) over in the Caylee Anthony case.   It says
 that the process of forming Grave Wax can last for many years in the right enviorment.
I wonder if it could be found in the trap/cage since it was determined by Aruba
that there was a body there.
I remember Kyle saying something about the impression where the organs would
have been and the impression left on the cage floor.
I do not know if Salt Water would have a different effect on the substance.

The transformation of fats into adipocere(Grave Wax) occurs best in the absence of oxygen in a cold and humid environment, such as in wet ground or mud at the bottom of a lake or a sealed casket, and it can occur with both embalmed and untreated bodies. Adipocere formation begins within a month of death, and in the absence of air it can persist for centuries.[3] An exposed, infested body or a body in a warm environment is unlikely to form deposits of adipocere.

Corpses of women, infants and overweight persons are particularly prone to adipocere transformation because they contain more body fat.[1] In forensic science, the utility of adipocere formation to estimate the postmortem interval is limited because the speed of the process is temperature-dependent. It is accelerated by warmth, but temperature extremes impede it.[1]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adipocere


http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1556-4029.2006.00362.x/abstract

Waxing Grave About Adipocere: Soft Tissue Change in an Aquatic Context†
Tyler G. O'Brien Ph.D., Amy C. Kuehner B.A.
Article first published online: 31 JAN 2007

ABSTRACT: When postmortem environmental conditions are “just right,” according to the “Goldilocks Phenomenon,” soft tissues (and associated fatty acids) are converted into and preserved as adipocere. To better understand this conversion process and the development of adipocere three human cadavers were immersed in outside, water-filled pits for over 3 months to observe adipocere formation in an underwater context simulating actual field conditions. Recordings of environmental conditions showed that temperatures were between 21°C and 45°C, a range sufficient for the growth of Clostridium perfringens. Chemical analysis of liquid and tissue samples revealed an increase in palmitic acid and decrease in oleic acid. This study tracked the remarkable gross morphological changes that can occur in human bodies subjected to an aquatic postmortem environment. The results support the “Goldilocks Phenomenon” and substantiate previous findings that the presence of bacteria and water is crucial for adipocere to form.



http://writersforensicsblog.wordpress.com/2009/05/14/dead-folks-and-decay/

 ::snipping2::

The third method of alteration is by adipocere formation, which is the result of a chemical process called saponification. Basically soap making. Adipocere is caused by a reaction between certain bacteria and the body’s adipose (fatty) tissues. Bacteria such as Clostridia perfringens, the bacterium that causes gas gangrene, convert body fat into oleic, stearic, and palmitic acids, the primary constitutes of adipocere. The result is a whitish-gray or brownish, greasy or waxy substance, which can cast the body in a doll-like fashion. On first glance the corpse might appear to be a manikin or as if it had been carved from a large bar of soap. This most often occurs in bodies found in water or warm, damp areas and usually takes several months to form so that adipocere formation is a broad indicator of time of death.
Bodies do not always decompose uniformly or in the same way. A corpse might be partially skeletonized, partially mummified, and partially converted to adipocere. Adipocere looks like this:

(picture at link)

This photo is of two child victims in the famous Hoptoun Quarry Murders Case investigated by Sir Sydney Alfred Smith. Read the full story HERE.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 29, 2011, 05:58:34 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/bethandnatalee_01-1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Holloway_beach.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Matt_holloway.jpg)

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 29, 2011, 06:06:38 PM
I just read about Grave Wax (Adipocere) over in the Caylee Anthony case.   It says
 that the process of forming Grave Wax can last for many years in the right enviorment.
I wonder if it could be found in the trap/cage since it was determined by Aruba
that there was a body there.
I remember Kyle saying something about the impression where the organs would
have been and the impression left on the cage floor.
I do not know if Salt Water would have a different effect on the substance.

The transformation of fats into adipocere(Grave Wax) occurs best in the absence of oxygen in a cold and humid environment, such as in wet ground or mud at the bottom of a lake or a sealed casket, and it can occur with both embalmed and untreated bodies. Adipocere formation begins within a month of death, and in the absence of air it can persist for centuries.[3] An exposed, infested body or a body in a warm environment is unlikely to form deposits of adipocere.

Corpses of women, infants and overweight persons are particularly prone to adipocere transformation because they contain more body fat.[1] In forensic science, the utility of adipocere formation to estimate the postmortem interval is limited because the speed of the process is temperature-dependent. It is accelerated by warmth, but temperature extremes impede it.[1]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adipocere


http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1556-4029.2006.00362.x/abstract

Waxing Grave About Adipocere: Soft Tissue Change in an Aquatic Context†
Tyler G. O'Brien Ph.D., Amy C. Kuehner B.A.
Article first published online: 31 JAN 2007

ABSTRACT: When postmortem environmental conditions are “just right,” according to the “Goldilocks Phenomenon,” soft tissues (and associated fatty acids) are converted into and preserved as adipocere. To better understand this conversion process and the development of adipocere three human cadavers were immersed in outside, water-filled pits for over 3 months to observe adipocere formation in an underwater context simulating actual field conditions. Recordings of environmental conditions showed that temperatures were between 21°C and 45°C, a range sufficient for the growth of Clostridium perfringens. Chemical analysis of liquid and tissue samples revealed an increase in palmitic acid and decrease in oleic acid. This study tracked the remarkable gross morphological changes that can occur in human bodies subjected to an aquatic postmortem environment. The results support the “Goldilocks Phenomenon” and substantiate previous findings that the presence of bacteria and water is crucial for adipocere to form.



http://writersforensicsblog.wordpress.com/2009/05/14/dead-folks-and-decay/

 ::snipping2::

The third method of alteration is by adipocere formation, which is the result of a chemical process called saponification. Basically soap making. Adipocere is caused by a reaction between certain bacteria and the body’s adipose (fatty) tissues. Bacteria such as Clostridia perfringens, the bacterium that causes gas gangrene, convert body fat into oleic, stearic, and palmitic acids, the primary constitutes of adipocere. The result is a whitish-gray or brownish, greasy or waxy substance, which can cast the body in a doll-like fashion. On first glance the corpse might appear to be a manikin or as if it had been carved from a large bar of soap. This most often occurs in bodies found in water or warm, damp areas and usually takes several months to form so that adipocere formation is a broad indicator of time of death.
Bodies do not always decompose uniformly or in the same way. A corpse might be partially skeletonized, partially mummified, and partially converted to adipocere. Adipocere looks like this:

(picture at link)

This photo is of two child victims in the famous Hoptoun Quarry Murders Case investigated by Sir Sydney Alfred Smith. Read the full story HERE.
 ::snipping2::



I read here that the Grave Wax has been found in Ship Wrecks in sea water
from the 17th century.  I think that is what we are seeing in Natalee's outline
in the cage/trap.

http://books.google.com/books?id=O8YEAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA43&lpg=PA43&dq=Adipocere+in+Salt+Water&source=bl&ots=Je6m_tGHou&sig=jA6-foe9GHBvRX25cMN8o6-kfj8&hl=en&ei=DcHiTZ3VE4-htwfa1ZyDBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Adipocere%20in%20Salt%20Water&f=false


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 29, 2011, 06:24:06 PM
Interesting research Magnolia!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 29, 2011, 06:27:42 PM
http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20148066,00.html

July 4, 2005 edition of People Magazine

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Post by: texasmom on May 29, 2011, 06:49:19 PM
http://www.wthitv.com/dpp/news/local/mother-continues-search-for-daughter

Mother continues search for daughter

Updated: Tuesday, 12 Apr 2011, 11:53 PM EDT
Published : Tuesday, 12 Apr 2011, 9:56 PM EDT

News Staff

Terre Haute, Ind. (WTHI) - She's a mother on a mission who claims she'll never stop searching for her daughter.

That's Beth Holloway.

She is the mother of Natalee Holloway, a girl from Alabama who went missing in Aruba back in 2005.

Beth spoke Tuesday at Saint Mary of the Woods College, and she had a strong message.

She claims that, six years later, she refuses to give up the search for her daughter.

 ::snipping2::

::MonkeyHeart::




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Post by: SuzieQ on May 29, 2011, 11:11:48 PM
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff15/sueann37/Natalee/Natalee-Home.gif)

Thanks CBB


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Post by: klaasend on May 30, 2011, 12:42:42 AM
http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/2011/may/30/TDWEAT01-today-in-history-may-30-ar-1072995/ (http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/2011/may/30/TDWEAT01-today-in-history-may-30-ar-1072995/)

Today in History: May 30
By Times-Dispatch Staff

May 30, 1911 The first Indy 500 (originally called the "International Sweepstakes") took place at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway; the winner was Ray Harroun, who drove a Marmon Wasp for more than 6½ hours at an average speed of 74.6 mph and collected a prize of $10,000.

1431 Joan of Arc, condemned as a heretic, was burned at the stake in Rouen, France.

1806 Andrew Jackson killed Charles Dickinson in a duel that left Jackson seriously wounded.

1922 The Lincoln Memorial was dedicated in a ceremony attended by President Warren G. Harding, Chief Justice William Howard Taft and Robert Todd Lincoln.

1943 American forces secured the Aleutian island of Attu from the Japanese during World War II.

1958 Unidentified American service members killed in World War II and the Korean War were interred in the Tomb of the Unknowns at Arlington National Cemetery.

1961 Rafael Trujillo, longtime ruler of the Dominican Republic, was assassinated.

1981 The president of Bangladesh, Ziaur Rahman, was assassinated in a failed military coup.

2005 American teenager Natalee Holloway was last seen leaving a bar in Aruba with three young men before disappearing; her fate remains unknown.

Ten years ago Former Petersburg High School standout Moses Malone and college coaches Mike Krzyzewski and John Chaney were elected to the Basketball Hall of Fame.

Five years ago A jury in Rockville, Md., convicted John Allen Muhammad of six of the 10 Washington-area sniper killings. (Although sentenced to life in prison for the Maryland killings, Muhammad was executed in November 2009 for a Virginia slaying.)

One year ago Joran van der Sloot, the prime suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway in Aruba, was seen leaving a hotel room in Lima, Peru, where the body of 21-year-old Stephany Flores was found three days later. (Van der Sloot is accused of first-degree murder in the death of Flores.)

Thought for today "For happiness one needs security, but joy can spring like a flower even from the cliffs of despair." — Anne Morrow Lindbergh, American writer (1906-2001)


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Post by: Tamikosmom on May 30, 2011, 02:04:07 AM
May 26, 2005

I DROVE AWAY WITHOUT KNOWING

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway


Page 14-15:  On Thursday May 26, 2005, Natalee came into my bedroom at three o'clock in the morning to tell me it was almost time to go. Everyone was gathering at a friend's house for the ride to the airport. My job was to pick everyone up at the airport when they returned on Memorial Day, Monday, May 30, 2005.

While Natalee was going to be out of town, Jug was going to his lake house to visit with his family and friends. In our marriage, the second for both of us, we rarely vacationed together. My son, Matt, had made his own plans with friends for the weekend, so it was the perfect time for me to take a much-needed, overdue trip to my family's lake house in Hot Springs, Arkansas. I had not been there in a very long time. Birmingham is about nine hours away, so it was just too long a drive since moving here to make the trip on a regular basis. I was very much looking forward to visiting with my family. Everyone's plans were made.

In the wee hours on this Thursday morning Natalee and I loaded her things in the back of the car and headed off to her friend's house. It was very dark at that hour, and we were both only half awake. But we did talk some. Small talk. We reviewed what she had packed, going through a mental checklist of passport, cash, camera, sunscreen, and the like. When we arrived at her friend's house, she came to life. The adventure she had been excitedly awaiting for months was finally about to begin. She jumped out of the car and bounced to the back to get her bag. I got out and walked around the car to help her. She gathered her things and looked up long enough for me to kiss her on the cheek.

"I love you! Have a great time!" I told her.

She replied, "Bye, Mom! Love you!" and slung her purple duffel bag over her shoulder.

The bag made her walk slightly bent to its opposite side. I got back in the car as she made her way up the long walkway to the front door. Turning the car around to leave, I stopped and looked back over my shoulder to see her go inside. The front door of the house opened just wide enough for her to slip in. I saw her silhouette in the beam of light that shone from inside. The light narrowed as the door closed, then disappeared completely. It was pitch-black again. I drove away not knowing that would be the last time I would ever see Natalee.

 :smt049



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 30, 2011, 02:05:25 AM
May 30, 2005

THE PROVERBIAL DREADED PHONE CALL

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway


Page 23:  Rested and refreshed, we leave Memphis late Monday morning with Linda driving and Marilyn up front with her.  I take the backseat.  We sail along, chatting like we alway do, talking about our plans for another road trip one day soon.  Marilyn and I are happily speculating about what our daughters' reactions will be when they open their presents to find a set of extraordinary Wizard of Oz figures.  Natalee will gasp with excitement when she sees these.  Before we know it, we've crossed over into Mississippi.  Somewhere amid our conversation, between the chuckles and the small talk, my cell phone rings. I don't recognize the number, but answer it anyway, which I usually don't do.

It's a young girl.  "Mrs. Twitty?  My mom ... umm ... my mom, she umm ... wants to talk to you."  It's the daughter of Judi, the travel agent.  She developed appendicitis right before the trip, so she and Jodi didn't get to go to Aruba.  They are in Birmingham.  It seems like an eternity before Jodi takes the phone.

"Tell me what's going on," I say in a voice much firmer than the one I usually hear coming from my mouth.

She simply says, "Natalee didn't show up this morning to get on the plane."

And instantly I know.  It's more than a mother's intuition.  It's certainty.  Something terrible has happened.  I have just answered the proverbial dreaded phone call that no mother or father every wants to receive.  The one we fear from the moment our children are born.  The one that changes a parent's life forever.

 :smt049




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 30, 2011, 02:07:28 AM
May 30, 2005

HE ISN'T A TOURIST

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway

Exerpts - Pages 34 -39:


It’s around eleven o”clock on Memorial Monday night when the island comes into full view.

We land, and the door opens.

All of us load up into the handlers’ big white van and head for the Holliday Inn.

We arrive at the Holiday Inn, get out of the van, and go inside the open-air lobby of the hotel.  The coach and DEA agent are to our left, and we turn to walk toward them.

Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the front desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here.  The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name.  "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran.  He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here.  He likes to prey on young female tourists.  Especially the blonds.   He is tall.  Good-looking boy.  Like a Dutch marine."   My mouth drops wide open.  "Where is he from?" I ask her.  She replies.  "He lives in Aruba."   I stutter.  "He's ... he's not a tourist just here for the summer?"  "Non, non," she says.  It takes a few moments to absorb this information.  The supposed tourist who befriended some of Natalee's classmates and who told them he was staying at their hotel lied to them.  He isn't a tourist.  He isn't staying here.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 30, 2011, 02:07:53 AM
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l266/californialighthousepics1/j4nbirdi.png)

Carp - Scared Monkeys

+++++++++

Freebird

If I leave here tomorrow
Would you still remember me?
For I must be traveling on now,
'Cause there's too many places I've got to see.


Lynyrd Skynyrd


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 30, 2011, 02:40:41 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon.jpg)

and Stephany!
 ::justice2NJ::
 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: sharon on May 30, 2011, 07:24:00 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renfro/052820111-1.jpg)

Joran and his attorney admit it, but she still won't.  ::MonkeyNoNo::



(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renfro/052820112-1.jpg)


Drunk again....so transparent.     ::MonkeyRoll::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renfro/drunk.gif)

His own mother won't have anything to do with him.......

Just serves as a reminder. Most people have a purpose in life....and then there is the skank ho.


What a sad weekend for Natalie's and Stephany's famly and loved ones.

AVOID ARUBA AS IF YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT...IT DOES !!!

 ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: grace-land on May 30, 2011, 10:49:16 AM
http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Natalee-Holloway-six-years-no-answers/WBL5O3EdsUy7zHKmjA-0Rw.cspx

Natalee Holloway...six years, no answers
Published: 7:56 am
Updated: 8:12 am

Birmingham, Ala (WIAT)  It's been six years since Natalee Holloway left an Oranjestad bar with a local boy...and vanished. 

Over the course of those six years there has been aching yearning for information. Numerous false clues.  Several fake confessions. 

For several days, Aruban and Dutch officials thought they had a significant break in the case, but a jawbone washed up on the beach turned out to be another false trail.

While family and friends grieve and wonder what happened to the Mountain Brook teen after she walked into the night with Joran van der Sloot, there have been significant but unsatisfactory developments in the past 12 months.

Van der Sloot has become an internet sensation of four continents after the body of a 21 year old Peruvian student was found in his Lima hotel room....on the anniversary of the night he led Natalee to her fate.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 30, 2011, 10:54:47 AM
http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Natalee-Holloway-six-years-no-answers/WBL5O3EdsUy7zHKmjA-0Rw.cspx

Natalee Holloway...six years, no answers
Published: 7:56 am
Updated: 8:12 am

Birmingham, Ala (WIAT)  It's been six years since Natalee Holloway left an Oranjestad bar with a local boy...and vanished. 

Over the course of those six years there has been aching yearning for information. Numerous false clues.  Several fake confessions. 

For several days, Aruban and Dutch officials thought they had a significant break in the case, but a jawbone washed up on the beach turned out to be another false trail.

While family and friends grieve and wonder what happened to the Mountain Brook teen after she walked into the night with Joran van der Sloot, there have been significant but unsatisfactory developments in the past 12 months.

Van der Sloot has become an internet sensation of four continents after the body of a 21 year old Peruvian student was found in his Lima hotel room....on the anniversary of the night he led Natalee to her fate.

 ::snipping2::


From the same link:

See Cynthia Gould's report tonight at 6:00 p.m. on air at CBS42 or streaming live here on CBS42.com.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: akmom on May 30, 2011, 11:17:38 AM
Six years is six years too long, WHERE IS NATALEE??  Where is Justice for Natalee???

One year, is one year too long, Where is Justice for Stephany????

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 30, 2011, 11:32:27 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renfro/052820111-1.jpg)

Joran and his attorney admit it, but she still won't.  ::MonkeyNoNo::



(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renfro/052820112-1.jpg)


Drunk again....so transparent.     ::MonkeyRoll::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renfro/drunk.gif)

His own mother won't have anything to do with him.......

Just serves as a reminder. Most people have a purpose in life....and then there is the skank ho.


What a sad weekend for Natalee's and Stephany's famly and loved ones.

AVOID ARUBA AS IF YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT...IT DOES !!!

 ::justice2NJ::

Hi Sharon!   ::HelloKitty::

Yes, I'm sure it's a sad weekend for both families...one six year's into their journey in search of Natalee and seeking Justice for her; and Stephany's loved ones I'm sure reliving all that happened a year ago and praying that they will see Justice soon.  Justice won't bring their precious daughters back, but it still MUST be demanded and expected no matter how long it takes.  I'm thankful that Stephany's family have her grave to go and place flowers for her, Natalee's family deserves that too; Aruba can make that happen.  The longer that takes, the worse they look; it's their choice.  We're not going away!

AVOID ARUBA AS IF YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT...IT DOES !!!





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: grace-land on May 30, 2011, 11:42:48 AM
With video, in Dutch

http://www.hartvannederland.nl/nederland/2011/joran-een-jaar-later/

May 29, 2011 at 22:44
Netherlands

Joran, one year later

Monday was one year ago that he Peruvian Stephany Flores in his hotel room brought to life.

Exactly five years after he was suspected in Aruba already involved in the disappearance of American Natalee Holloway. Her body was never found and therefore could not be proven that Joran had something to do. But Joran was in Peru last year and against the lamp, when after the death of Stephany went on the run. He was arrested and since then he's stuck in Peru, awaiting his trial.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: grace-land on May 30, 2011, 11:55:30 AM
 ::HelloKitty:: texasmom and MuffyBee

Justice for Natalee and Stephany will come--even if it's in a way that we don't fully understand now.

texasmom--thanks for the translated article that you posted yesterday.  It's very informative.  The link here--

http://elcomercio.pe/lima/764530/noticia-caso-van-der-sloot-antes-despues-crimen-stephany-flores


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on May 30, 2011, 12:07:01 PM
::HelloKitty:: texasmom and MuffyBee

Justice for Natalee and Stephany will come--even if it's in a way that we don't fully understand now.

texasmom--thanks for the translated article that you posted yesterday.  It's very informative.  The link here--

http://elcomercio.pe/lima/764530/noticia-caso-van-der-sloot-antes-despues-crimen-stephany-flores


Yes, I agree with you grace-land.  "Justice for Natalee and Stephany will come--even if it's in a way that we don't fully understand now."

 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 30, 2011, 12:24:09 PM
And the beat goes on...one happy island, yeah right.   ::MonkeyRoll::

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=7463&offId=0&offDate=2011-5

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/7463/4_1306717502.jpg)

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/7463/2_1306717502.jpg)

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/7463/9_1306717502.jpg)

(caps friend Frans van Deutekom and Dolfi Richardson...guess Tsunami had the night off?)



http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/32163-droga-arma-y-detencion-durante-accion-riba-hot-zone.html#comments

Papiamentu translation:

drugs, arm y detencion during accion on hot zone

sunday, 29 may 2011 18:55

among 30 for 40 police for of various districto owing to form one are big cu owing to as one accion saturday night manece diadomingo morning on hot zone, the area near of we hotelnan high rise. during the accion owing to controla several car, ciudadano y cafenan. owing to achieve one cantidad of drugs (marihuana) y arm (blanco), while cu esunnan cu not can owing to comporta, owing to become rude or owing to deny of coopera, owing to stay deteni. the cantidad of detencion y the cantidad of drugs confisca do not conoci still. comisario trudy hassell was at cabes of the accion here.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 30, 2011, 12:33:53 PM
::HelloKitty:: texasmom and MuffyBee

Justice for Natalee and Stephany will come--even if it's in a way that we don't fully understand now.

texasmom--thanks for the translated article that you posted yesterday.  It's very informative.  The link here--

http://elcomercio.pe/lima/764530/noticia-caso-van-der-sloot-antes-despues-crimen-stephany-flores

yw grace-land, thank you for the articles you've posted as well!   ::MonkeyCool::

As Beth has said many times, Justice comes in many forms...I believe that too.   ::rhino::

For those who may have missed this translated article.  I agree, very informative.

http://elcomercio.pe/lima/764530/noticia-caso-van-der-sloot-antes-despues-crimen-stephany-flores

Google translation:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/05292011_ElcomercioPElima_1.jpg)(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/05292011_ElcomercioPElima_2.jpg)(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/05292011_ElcomercioPElima_3.jpg)(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/05292011_ElcomercioPElima_4.jpg)(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/05292011_ElcomercioPElima_5.jpg)(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/05292011_ElcomercioPElima_6.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 30, 2011, 01:47:33 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6341.0
   
DANA PRETZER SHOW FEB 13, 2008 WITH BETH HOLLOWAY, PETER R. DEVRIES, AND MORE!

::snipping2::

Quote
Beth:  Well absolutely I did and I think I even have to back it up to what you said when you were opening your show.  Justice does come in many forms as I’ve learned and yes justice came for me as an answer and I did receive the answer and second I think I did receive justice just in the validation of the fight.  And meaning that you know every step that we took was well worth it.  And you know of course the third form of justice that I would like to see that we all would like to see is Joran Vandersloot behind bars.


::snipping2::

In order for that to happen, the blood of another innocent young girl is on Aruba's hands.  If Aruba had done the right thing (NOT COVERED IT UP) and made Joran pay for the crimes against Natalee, Stephany Flores' family would not be suffering for his crimes today.

::MonkeyNoNo::

http://scaredmonkeys.com/category/joran-van-der-sloot/

(http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/JoranStephany2010.jpg)

http://elcomercio.pe/lima/502333/noticia-mujer-extranjera-visita-joran-van-der-sloot-penal
 ::snipping2::

(http://e.elcomercio.pe/66/ima/0/0/1/6/9/169630.jpg)

Joran van der Sloot is visited by a foreign woman in the Castro Castro prison twice a week. According to prison authorities revealed maximum security to local media, the mysterious visitor takes canned food and groceries, allegedly on behalf of a Dutch mother, Anita van der Sloot .
 ::snipping2::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Case%20Related%20Misc/11262010_VancouverSun_HighProfile2010-2.jpg)

http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20394155,00.html

::snipping2::

Quote
It is clear now that van der Sloot, 22, is far more sinister than that. On June 7 he confessed to murdering Peruvian college student Stephany Flores Ramirez, 21, who was found bloodied, with her neck broken, in a Lima hotel five days earlier. And that murder occurred, chillingly, on May 30, five years to the day after American high school graduate Natalee Holloway, 18, disappeared in Aruba during a graduation trip-after last being seen with van der Sloot. Though he was arrested twice, van der Sloot was never charged with a crime in the case, and Natalee's body has yet to be found. Still, Natalee's family hope shocking new developments will bring some closure to their unresolved grief. "I have some resolution knowing that he's going to be spending possibly the rest of his life in a Peruvian prison," says Dave Holloway, Natalee's dad.

 ::snipping2::
Quote
How did van der Sloot come to be connected to two young women who met horrible ends on two different continents five years apart? Friends and acquaintances who have known him over the years tell PEOPLE that since Natalee's disappearance, van der Sloot has led a peripatetic, playboy existence that took him from Aruba to Holland to Thailand-a life heavy on money problems, gambling and marijuana consumption, but short on support from friends and family. Even his mother, Anita, who vigorously defended van der Sloot after Holloway's disappearance, this time told PEOPLE only, "I haven't been in contact with Joran for a long time, not since his dad died" in February.

(Another BIG FAT LIE....Joran learned from the master.   ::MonkeyMad::)

http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20394155,00.html

::snipping2::

Quote
Stephany Flores: a Family's Grief

"She was having a beautiful life," an exhausted, teary-eyed Ricardo Flores, 48, says of his only daughter, Stephany, 21, just two days after van der Sloot's arrest (her mother, Maria Elena, 49, is too heartbroken to talk to the media). "She was everyone's protector," adds Flores, a former race-car driver and politician who operates a circus in Peru. "Ever since she was little, she liked to make decisions." Headstrong and friendly, Stephany loved teddy bears, salsa music and poker; a third-year business administration student at the University of Lima, she hoped to open her own café with her friend Monica Soto. "She was courageous," says Soto. "She got the most out of every minute." Says her father: "I feel like I am always going to have her with me. What has been separated from me is the flesh, not her soul and spirit."


::snipping2::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/06032010_funeralmomdad4.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on May 30, 2011, 02:05:38 PM
Hi, I saw something in the Enquirer, or was it the Globe, about Joran hiding Natalee's body in a cemetary in someone's grave... Is there any news on this... is this being investigated?

Hi Katz - that was last month it was in the NE.  I posted here.  As far as I know nothing has been done about it.  You wouldn't expect Aruba to do anything now would you?

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5306/5625332726_afb8c1fcea_b.jpg)


(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5103/5625332622_6a0467a90d_b.jpg)


EMAIL FROM DAVE HOLLOWAY TO CAPSLOCKWIZARD AKA RV IN RESPONSE TO CAPSLOCKWIZARDS EMAIL TO HIM


From: helpfindnatalee@comcast.net
To: capslockwizard@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Nathalee possible buried place
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 05:43:50 +0000

 
If it was the cemetery grave, we have already checked it out.
 
Keep in mind there is a $250,000  cash reward available.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: grace-land on May 30, 2011, 08:02:52 PM
http://elcomercio.pe/lima/765838/noticia-van-der-slootdescargo-todas-su-frustraciones-stephany-flores

Google translation

Van der Sloot "downloaded all their frustrations, " Stephany Flores
They said the friend of the Dutch Pluijmen Stan, who was questioned by police in his country to clarify what kind of relationship he had with the professional poker player

Monday May 30, 2011 - 10:17 a.m.

MARTINEZ ORTIZ SEBASTIAN @ Shebas07
Online Writing

He was aware that he had crossed a line, that his anger led him to kill and do not know what to do about their actions. After killing blows Stephany Ramirez Flores, Joran Van der Sloot, apparently, before leaving the hotel Tac-crime scene, "I sent an offline MSN message to his friend Stan Pluijmen games. In less than one line, Holland wrote: "Man, I need help. I've done something terrible. I'm lost. "

Pluijmen, according to the statement he gave to the Dutch police, read this post on Sunday, May 30 evening (Netherlands time) to connect to the system, so called Van der Sloot prepaid cell phone purchased in Lima to arrival. But it was useless, could not communicate with him. At that time, Van der Sloot was in full flight to Chile.

Two days later, the young native of the town of Valkenburg, who formerly worked for a website for online games, tried to communicate again with the confessed murderer of Flores Ramirez, was unsuccessful and left a message "inbox" in voicemail: "Hi, I'm a little worried. If you hear this message, call me. "

At dawn on June 3, just hours before his arrest in Chile, Van der Sloot, with reference to what Stan told the Dutch police on 25 June 2010 in Maastricht headquarters would have called. However, only you could say "hello" before the communication is cut. "I thought I heard the voice of Joran and then cut the call, " he said.

"FRUSTRATIONS DOWNLOADED ON IT ALL"
That same day, and before I knew of the capture of a professional poker player, Stan had a conversation via chat with Jaap Amesz, who also knew Van der Sloot. In it, the two discussed the situation of Joran and noted that Ramírez Flores sought to extort money.

Stan said the victim was not the kind of girl who likes to Dutch. "He just looks for the most beautiful, was in urgent need of money, but the previous days. I even threatened me and said he would do anything (...) He was kind to that girl because she wanted something from her. "

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 30, 2011, 08:36:49 PM
On the CBS42 News in Birmingham they did a piece on Natalee and Joran.
They had a local defense attorney, who is very well respected locally,
Richard Jaffe.   He said that the best thing Joran could do would be tell
where Natalee's remains are in exchange for getting all of the charges against
him combined and tried in a World Court.  I have never before heard such an
idea put forth and I wonder where the World Court is.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 30, 2011, 09:18:12 PM
On the CBS42 News in Birmingham they did a piece on Natalee and Joran.
They had a local defense attorney, who is very well respected locally,
Richard Jaffe.   He said that the best thing Joran could do would be tell
where Natalee's remains are in exchange for getting all of the charges against
him combined and tried in a World Court.  I have never before heard such an
idea put forth and I wonder where the World Court is.

Thanks Magnolia!  ::MonkeyKiss::

I missed the broadcast.  My first thought is they might be referring to the International Court of Justice in The Hague.  But I'm not sure.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Court_of_Justice

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Criminal_Court



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 30, 2011, 10:19:31 PM
http://elcomercio.pe/lima/765838/noticia-van-der-slootdescargo-todas-su-frustraciones-stephany-flores

Google translation

Van der Sloot "downloaded all their frustrations, " Stephany Flores
They said the friend of the Dutch Pluijmen Stan, who was questioned by police in his country to clarify what kind of relationship he had with the professional poker player

Monday May 30, 2011 - 10:17 a.m.

MARTINEZ ORTIZ SEBASTIAN @ Shebas07
Online Writing

He was aware that he had crossed a line, that his anger led him to kill and do not know what to do about their actions. After killing blows Stephany Ramirez Flores, Joran Van der Sloot, apparently, before leaving the hotel Tac-crime scene, "I sent an offline MSN message to his friend Stan Pluijmen games. In less than one line, Holland wrote: "Man, I need help. I've done something terrible. I'm lost. "

Pluijmen, according to the statement he gave to the Dutch police, read this post on Sunday, May 30 evening (Netherlands time) to connect to the system, so called Van der Sloot prepaid cell phone purchased in Lima to arrival. But it was useless, could not communicate with him. At that time, Van der Sloot was in full flight to Chile.

Two days later, the young native of the town of Valkenburg, who formerly worked for a website for online games, tried to communicate again with the confessed murderer of Flores Ramirez, was unsuccessful and left a message "inbox" in voicemail: "Hi, I'm a little worried. If you hear this message, call me. "

At dawn on June 3, just hours before his arrest in Chile, Van der Sloot, with reference to what Stan told the Dutch police on 25 June 2010 in Maastricht headquarters would have called. However, only you could say "hello" before the communication is cut. "I thought I heard the voice of Joran and then cut the call, " he said.

"FRUSTRATIONS DOWNLOADED ON IT ALL"
That same day, and before I knew of the capture of a professional poker player, Stan had a conversation via chat with Jaap Amesz, who also knew Van der Sloot. In it, the two discussed the situation of Joran and noted that Ramírez Flores sought to extort money.

Stan said the victim was not the kind of girl who likes to Dutch. "He just looks for the most beautiful, was in urgent need of money, but the previous days. I even threatened me and said he would do anything (...) He was kind to that girl because she wanted something from her. "

 ::snipping2::


Thanks grace-land!   ::MonkeyCool::

http://elcomercio.pe/lima/765838/noticia-van-der-slootdescargo-todas-su-frustraciones-stephany-flores

Google translation:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/05302011_ElcomercioJoran1.jpg)(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/05302011_ElcomercioJoran2.jpg)(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/05302011_ElcomercioJoran3.jpg)(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/05302011_ElcomercioJoran4.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: pinkbanana on May 30, 2011, 10:22:47 PM
Justice for Natalee and Stephany  ::MonkeyAngel::  ::MonkeyAngel::

pb


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 30, 2011, 10:25:53 PM
If I understand correctly Joran had his lawyer send Stan Pluijmen a lengthy letter after he was arrested asking for money as well.  He was sent 50 euros that he bought his "cleaning supplies among other items not detailed" with.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: Red on May 30, 2011, 10:53:10 PM
Natalee Holloway Missing in Aruba … 6 Years Later and Joran Van der Sloot has Murdered Again, Stephany Flores

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2011/05/30/natalee-holloway-missing-in-aruba-6-years-later-and-joran-van-der-sloot-has-murdered-again-stephany-flores/

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However, all Aruba did was embolden a sociopath. Joran Van der Sloot would not be able to stay out of the limelight and managed to get recoded on audio and video in admissions. He would get busted for what looked like human trafficking in Thailand. Then he managed to get involved in an extortion case with Beth Holloway in an attempt to extort money from the family in trade for the information as to where Natalee Holloway was buried. That to would be a lie.

Then on the fifth anniversary of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, Joran Van der Sloot would kill again. This time it would not be in Aruba, but instead in Peru and the unfortunate individual was 21 year old Stephany Flores. This time Joran Van der Sloot was arrested, indicted and put in prison.

Joran Van der Sloot … you are not in Kansas Aruba anymore. Stephany Flores and her family will be provided justice for her senseless death at the hands of this sociopath.  The questions remains, six years later … will Natalee? Thanks to Aruba, they made it possible that Joran Van der Sloot could kill again. How do all the folks feel that supported Joran and defended him?

Joran Van der Sloot still has extortion charges filed against him in Alabama and Beth Holloway will never give up. Joran, you can rest assure you will also have a Monkey on your back as well.
::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: grace-land on May 30, 2011, 10:57:28 PM
If I understand correctly Joran had his lawyer send Stan Pluijmen a lengthy letter after he was arrested asking for money as well.  He was sent 50 euros that he bought his "cleaning supplies among other items not detailed" with.

Correct.  Hmmm...did Stan show the letter to the Dutch police?



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 30, 2011, 11:03:14 PM
http://www.elmen.com.pe/online/indice.asp?tfi=emPolicial01&td=30&tm=05&ta=2011

http://www.elmen.com.pe/online/NotiPortadaGrande.asp?ta=2011&tm=05&td=30

(cropped from the front page)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/05302011_portada_elmen2.jpg)

Google translation:

Lima

Monday, May 30, 2011

Police

Laptop sinks deeper analysis of Van der Sloot


A year after the murder of Stefany Flores

After a year of the crime of the young Stephany Flores Ramírez, the defense of Joran Van der Sloot Dutch continues to maintain that the murder was violent emotion, but new evidence, including his laptop analysis would show otherwise. On the night of May 28 last year, two days before the murder of the young Van der Sloot had a conversation via msm Pluijmen Stan, a friend he met in an Internet poker site and resides in city ​​of Valkenburg (Netherlands). In this talk I told him that he was in Lima, he had no money to pay the hotel you are staying in Miraflores, and barely enough to eat.
During the chat session, which had access to the Dutch police after analyzing the cellular Pluijmen, Van der Sloot said he needed 400 euros to pay their debts, because I had five days without canceling your hotel accommodations in the Tac and administering it looked "increasingly distrust."

The Dutchman, now in prison in Castro Castro prison, complained to Stan for having transferred all his money, apparently both subjects had a business plan and part of the money would come from $ 25 000 that gave the family of Natalee Holloway to giving clues to the whereabouts of the young American who went missing in Aruba since 2005 - and told him that he was afraid of being cast as "may return to do strange things."

I had no money
"Now I'm in a state that would be able to prostitute if anyone wants to help, so serious is the thing. I think that they will soon get enough of me and then what will I do? "Wrote Van der Sloot before telling his friend's play he had asked four times to help her mother without success. "Even my younger brother, Valentijn, refused saying that the only thing I'll do is play and not, I have not even a bank card to play," he said.

Van der Sloot concluded the conversation, which lasted 44 minutes, thanking and asking Stan if you can send money. "Ok, thanks man, now what's left of my money going to eat something. Possibly talk later today or tomorrow, "he said.

Already in the casino., The Dutch approached Flores and this he confessed to have in your portfolio 7 000 nuevos soles, reason why I invite you to their hotel for the fatal outcome.

The Fourth Criminal Court in Jail Inmates also decided that the brothers John and Oswaldo Aparcana Pisconte and Carlos Euribe Parapet-drivers who moved to Dutch Ica to Arica (Chile) - are accused of covering up the crime considering that helped young 23 years to escape justice despite being aware that he committed a crime.

It has also been asked to declassify the information Van der Sloot communications and banking secrecy Ramirez Flores.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 30, 2011, 11:12:36 PM
Natalee Holloway Missing in Aruba … 6 Years Later and Joran Van der Sloot has Murdered Again, Stephany Flores

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2011/05/30/natalee-holloway-missing-in-aruba-6-years-later-and-joran-van-der-sloot-has-murdered-again-stephany-flores/

Quote
However, all Aruba did was embolden a sociopath. Joran Van der Sloot would not be able to stay out of the limelight and managed to get recoded on audio and video in admissions. He would get busted for what looked like human trafficking in Thailand. Then he managed to get involved in an extortion case with Beth Holloway in an attempt to extort money from the family in trade for the information as to where Natalee Holloway was buried. That to would be a lie.

Then on the fifth anniversary of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, Joran Van der Sloot would kill again. This time it would not be in Aruba, but instead in Peru and the unfortunate individual was 21 year old Stephany Flores. This time Joran Van der Sloot was arrested, indicted and put in prison.

Joran Van der Sloot … you are not in Kansas Aruba anymore. Stephany Flores and her family will be provided justice for her senseless death at the hands of this sociopath.  The questions remains, six years later … will Natalee? Thanks to Aruba, they made it possible that Joran Van der Sloot could kill again. How do all the folks feel that supported Joran and defended him?

Joran Van der Sloot still has extortion charges filed against him in Alabama and Beth Holloway will never give up. Joran, you can rest assure you will also have a Monkey on your back as well.
::snipping2::

Thanks Red!    ::MonkeyCool::

Aruba as well as Joran can rest assured, there are many monkey's on their backs!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyGavel::

 ::justice2NJ:: for Natalee! ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 30, 2011, 11:17:01 PM
If I understand correctly Joran had his lawyer send Stan Pluijmen a lengthy letter after he was arrested asking for money as well.  He was sent 50 euros that he bought his "cleaning supplies among other items not detailed" with.

Correct.  Hmmm...did Stan show the letter to the Dutch police?



I'm thinking Stan could be the individual whose home as well as Terror Jaap's was searched and electronic devices taken in the early days of Joran's arrest in Peru.  I'm pretty sure there were two residences searched, we knew one was Terror Jaap's but we didn't have the name of the other.  (I've been intending to go back and look for those articles)

I haven't seen confirmation of it but my guess would be that Stan would be cooperating with the Dutch authorities, and probably shared the letter with them as well. 

We can hope anyway!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 30, 2011, 11:22:41 PM
http://www.24ora.com/internacional-mainmenu-6/32210-van-der-sloot-a-descarga-tur-su-frustracion-riba-stephany-flores.html



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #858 4/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on May 30, 2011, 11:39:05 PM
Some people just can't stay out of trouble with the law in Aruba...reminds me of Alex Matthew.  And the same lawyer always seems to be involved with them as well.  Makes you wonder...

::MonkeyNoNo::

http://amigoe.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8172:nodeloos-geweld-bij-arrestatie-drietal-&catid=108:artikelen-aruba&Itemid=199

Google translation:

"Gratuitous violence arrest three '

Monday, 30 May 2011 8:11 p.m.

ORANGE CITY - The arrest team of the Aruba Police Force last Saturday has the trio Carlo Mansur, Chris Williams and Curacao resident Farley Daal reserved. Williams is in custody and is suspected of public violence, said the prosecution. Mansur and Daal were set free.
More than the above would not confirm to the Public Daily Herald. In a number of Sunday outputted open letters to the Minister of Justice, the Attorney General, the Public Prosecutor (OM) and the press complains lawyer Edwin Duijn Field about how he and his three clients are treated by the SWAT team, police detectives, the duty officer of the Agency in Orange City and the Public. The trio would begin with drawn weapons from their vehicles have been taken, blindfolded, beaten, to be stripped to their underwear and are kept in a cell where their request for an attorney was ignored. Mansur and Daal, who was on the island to participate in a softball tournament, three hours after the arrest would be released with the explanation that when a suspect in the car had been.

Amigoe got Duijn Field today to speak, but his open letter to the Minister of Justice and the Attorney General, he said that initially everything was done to prevent contact with Williams that he could get. At first he was told by him that faxed letter set, which he said to Williams' lawyer, had not arrived. When calling the picket-Prosecutor would Duijn Field officer Frans van Deutekom have been told that the picket phone is not for lawyers but for police. "Apparently his officers for lawyers only during office hours and the police can now take its course with the blessing of the prosecution," said Duijn Field in his open letter to the Minister of Justice and the Attorney General. Duijn Field indicates that it was only yesterday, one day after the arrest of Williams was given access to client, whose