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Title: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 - 1/1/14
Post by: MuffyBee on May 23, 2011, 05:36:14 PM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/missing-new1b.gif)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on April 11, 2012, 09:33:16 AM
 ::FlyingFrog::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on April 11, 2012, 10:02:10 AM


http://www.kptv.com/story/17179540/kyron-hormans-dad-raises-awareness-at-roadster-show
Kyron Horman’s dad raises awareness at car show
March 16, 2012
(http://kptv.images.worldnow.com/images/17179540_BG1.jpg)

(http://kptv.images.worldnow.com/images/17179540_BG2.jpg)

Video at Link


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on April 11, 2012, 11:39:11 AM
I keep hoping that someone is going to stumble across his remains. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on April 15, 2012, 12:05:55 PM
This was posted on BOC:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/#comments (http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/#comments)

quizzical says:
April 14, 2012 at 2:00 am

The following is a comment under a recent Oregon Live (Oregonian) opinion article that might be of interest here. It is apparently from Desiree’s father. The comment and article was referred to on Facebook page AML – THSG.

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Kyron’s Poppa April 11, 2012 at 5:01PM

“I agree that this practice is shameful, but tryig to convince the public that a non-profit has been started without full IRS non-profit status is not only misleading but illegal. I’ve yet to establish credence for the foundation named for my missing grandson, Kyron. I am in the dark for what should be and is being done on behalf of this little boy. I understand, too that the founder was awarded for his efforts to help other families who have lost a child to unknown or known circumstances. I wonder if this may be a situation of mistaken identity? If the foundation is ‘real’, great – I hope many benefit. I suggested back in month 3 of this tragedy that an effort be made to get as many people to donate a dollar so we could hire a private eye, attorneys and others to help establish Kyron’s whereabouts when it was apparent efforts were becoming fruitless and we were facing a cold-case status.
IMHO, this is not the way Kyron’s situation should be handled! I pray for Ky’s safe return to be very soon!”

http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2012/04/sketchy_charities_oregon_misle.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2012/04/sketchy_charities_oregon_misle.html)

BBM: Not sure what that statement means.

____________________________________________________

When I checked Kyron's papa's profile on OL, it was linked to a FB page:

http://connect.oregonlive.com/user/kyron%27s_poppa/index.html (http://connect.oregonlive.com/user/kyron%27s_poppa/index.html)


https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003262578312&sk=wall (https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003262578312&sk=wall)


Some of the comments on his wall:  ::MonkeyTears::


Kyron's Poppa
I spent a couple of hours scanning for videos on Kyron's plight and found 7 pages of links. It threw me back to hearing in disbelief Desi's phone call declaring that Kyron had gone missing from school.
It's all too fresh in our memories, driving to Portland, Kelly in the back seat searching deperately on my phone for any news of an Amber Alert for him and getting frustrated when she couldn't. Hearing about the converging forces of the Sheriff, Oregon State Police, Portland Police, Search and Rescue teams and the FBI at Ky's tiny rural house was surrealistic. The feeling got worse when we arrived, met by Blackhawk helicopters scanning the area.
We met everyone in a daze, numbed by the ride, the this-can't-be-real feeling and wondering when we would see Kyron again, if ever. Terri was too calm, too detached to be anything but guilty of something very, very bad.

Share · December 20, 2011 at 10:38pm ·


Kyron's Poppa
What's really sad about all this is the impact this has had on the other grandchildren - especially Ky's very best friend, good buddy, his cousin who wrote a letter to Santa to bring Kyron home again - he knows if anyone can do it, Santa can. If that doesn't tear at your heart .... AND, to think, Terri spent hours on Facebook while you could hear Search and Rescue outside calling Kyron's name and beating the bushes of the adjacent hillside and gullies ... AAARRGH!!!
Share · December 20, 2011 at 9:58pm ·


Kyron's Poppa
Desi spoke with Jane of HLN (CNN) and read her letter to Terri yesterday. I think it caught Jane off guard as she sounded close to tears. Basically Desi said she's probably the only person Terri knows who will understand what was going on, having been married to Kaine. I think Kaine has made his bed and will have to live with his narcissistic controlling crap - his son, my grandson, is missing!
Share · December 20, 2011 at 9:26pm ·


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: grace-land on April 16, 2012, 05:28:38 PM
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/

Quote
Monday, April 16, 2012
Temp Post: Kyron Horman

Temp Post:

We are about 6 weeks away from the horrid anniversary of Kyron Horman's disappearance.
I hope to post soon.

Would the journalist who contacted me with critical information please contact me again?
I have a single question for you.

I will be taking down this post, so please don't comment here.

Thank you,

Peter



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on April 16, 2012, 07:20:56 PM
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/

Quote
Monday, April 16, 2012
Temp Post: Kyron Horman

Temp Post:

We are about 6 weeks away from the horrid anniversary of Kyron Horman's disappearance.
I hope to post soon.

Would the journalist who contacted me with critical information please contact me again?
I have a single question for you.

I will be taking down this post, so please don't comment here.

Thank you,

Peter



 ::MonkeyEek:: Wow! Thanks so much grace-land! Can't wait to see the follow up!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: grace-land on April 16, 2012, 11:50:11 PM
You're welcome, sassifrass!  Keep up the good work for Kyron; you're an  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on May 09, 2012, 05:25:19 PM
The two-year anniversary of Kyron's going missing is fast approaching.

Right after that, in October, is the two-year anniversay of the judge abating the divorce actions (he put 2 years on the abatement - will he increase the abatement time - can he increase the abatement time - or are fireworks going to start going off)?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on May 14, 2012, 01:29:31 AM
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/05/whistle-blowing_lieutenant_sue.html


Whistle-blowing lieutenant sues Multnomah County Sheriff's Office, alleging retaliation
May 09, 2012

(snip)  The lawsuit also implicates current Sheriff Dan Staton, saying he has further derailed Elliott's career; allowed Capt. Monty Reiser to obtain correction certification without performing necessary field work; and made inappropriate requests for Elliott, now with river patrol, to take Staton's daughter's class on a ride in a sheriff's boat. Elliott is seeking $1.5 million in damages.

"Instead of supporting an environment of truth and accountability in officers, Staton was going to preserve the status quo of turning a blind eye to misconduct in officers," the lawsuit said. Moore is now Staton's undersheriff.

Staton Wednesday called the allegations unfounded. (snip)

(snip)  "I think that the conduct of the sheriff and the chief deputy are so outrageous, so offensive, that I think somebody needs to step in and clean up that office once and for all," said Burrows, Elliott's lawyer.

Staton said it's not unusual for officers to verbally describe their knowledge of certain tactics because of limited time to demonstrate all the training requirements.

After Elliott had raised safety concerns about Staton's request to take his daughter's elementary school class on a sheriff's boat ride, Staton said he cancelled that ride and temporarily suspended such rides. Staton said those types of rides had occurred in the past.

"I didn't want this to turn into an issue and it was developing into an issue," the sheriff said.  (snip)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I don’t doubt that Mr. Houze is taking great interest in these allegations against Sheriff Staton.
This could be looked at as a character/ethics of a man/Sheriff: a sheriff who is heading up the investigation of Kyron Horman.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2012, 07:08:19 PM
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Missing-Kyron-Horman/125336750831264


 Recently I was in Portland and had the opportunity to share my son’s story with someone that hadn’t heard of it and as
always I was happy to talk about Kyron and share his story. It worries me that people don’t know about him or know what happened. It has nearly been two years and Kyron is still not home, this is unsettling for his entire family, and most especially for me. I thought this nightmare wouldn’t last through the night. I was very wrong. I want everyone to know that he is still not home and we all need to be responsible for sharing his story, because it only takes one tip, one person to crack this case open again and bring Kyron home. I have received a lot of gifts for Kyron in Medford and as many of you know we started an area a year ago called Kyron’s Pad. It includes many flowers, a plum tree, his bench and frogs of course. We have incorporated some of the gifts that we have gotten from his supporters and have updated some of the structures for Kyron. We will continue to share pictures with everyone and will add new items to his area. I continue to be amazed and surprised at the gracious nature of people and all of the thoughts and prayers we receive every day. Please continue to pray for Kyron’s safe return and spread the word, share the flyers and talk about him as we arrive at the 2 year mark since he was last seen.




Thanks,
Desiree
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.257999730898298.68622.125336750831264&type=1 (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.257999730898298.68622.125336750831264&type=1)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on May 14, 2012, 09:07:38 PM
 ::FlyingFrog::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on May 21, 2012, 10:17:27 PM
Preview: Run For Kyron

By now, most people in the Portland area are aware of the tragic story of Kyron Horman, the boy who disappeared after being dropped off at school in June of 2010.  In an effort to keep his name and face in the public eye, Uberthons is hosting the 2nd annual Run For Kyron on Saturday, June 2nd at Cook Park in Tigard.

 ::snipping2::

What: The 2nd Annual Run For Kyron

When: Saturday, June 2nd

Where: Cook Park, Tigard

What time: 10k at 8:00a, 5k at 8:10a, 1k at 9:20a, kids run at 9:30a

Registration: 10k: $35, 5k: $25, 1k: $5, kids run: free!  Register online HERE.  For more ways to help visit www.bringkyronhome.org/

http://blog.oregonlive.com/runoregon/2012/05/preview_run_for_kyron.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on May 23, 2012, 09:37:49 AM
http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/headlines/Hi-tech-Ore-billboards-focus-on-missing-kids-152667345.html (http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/headlines/Hi-tech-Ore-billboards-focus-on-missing-kids-152667345.html)


Hi-tech Ore. billboards focus on missing kids

Posted on May 22, 2012 at 12:51 PM

WOODBURN, Ore. – New hi-tech billboards along Interstate-5 now feature photos of unsolved missing children cases.

That includes Kyron Horman, who vanished almost two years ago in Portland. Kyron was last seen at Skyline Elementary School, where he attended a science fair.

 ::snipping2::

 ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on May 25, 2012, 11:31:37 AM
Thank you DE from BOC!  ::MonkeyKiss::


http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/#comments (http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/#comments)

DE says:
May 24, 2012 at 9:35 pm

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57441217/how-the-etan-patz-case-changed-america-on-missing-children/?tag=thisMorningLatest (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57441217/how-the-etan-patz-case-changed-america-on-missing-children/?tag=thisMorningLatest)

In reporting on the Etan Patz case, a CBS News video segment shows someone at a computer screen working on an age progression image of Kyron. At about 50 seconds into the video.


(http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad12/sass2heart/KyronAgeProgression.jpg)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on May 25, 2012, 01:56:54 PM
It's been almost 2 years since Kyron went missing and still there isn't any public news of where he may be. Why is that? What is really going on in this case? Is the case being delayed because there may be bigger fish to fry? Who knows. One thing I DO know is that Kyron is not home yet. Not one person has been named a suspect by MCSO as of this date. Not even in the alleged MFH plot.

One of the many things that have perplexed me in this case was, during the sting on June 26, 2010, a DEA agent accompanied Rudy Sanchez to the Horman home. Why a DEA agent? Well, IMO, it's possible he was there as a witness to more then just the MFH plot. Perhaps because of an investigation going on prior to Kyron going missing. It would make sense.  Is it possible the Rudy Sanchez is a long time informant?


THE STING:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/

(Note: one of my all time favorite Blink post)

Investigators clearly believed his story as it was the basis for an attempted sting on June 26th by MCSO including an undercover DEA agent. Sanchez, wearing a wire, demanded a $10,000 payment from Horman for services rendered, except Kaine was very much alive.
__________________________________________________________

Anyway, below, I have pointed out some areas that have been publically documented and have led me to this opinion. I am NOT stating this is what MCSO does on a regular basis, but IMO, you have to question it.



Let's look at Rudy Sanchez aka wth knows:

Rodolfo "Rudy" Sanchez a known alias:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/10/07/kyron-horman-missing-kaine-and-terri-horman-face-off-in-family-court/ (http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/10/07/kyron-horman-missing-kaine-and-terri-horman-face-off-in-family-court/)

<snip>

After heated debate by those sides, we learned: Rudy Sanchez, the infamous landscaper/hitman for hire, has an alias, and has eluded service in the civil matter to date, although he appears to have cooperated. Bunch proclaims Sanchez is unlocatable as a result of MCSO unwillingness to share discovery of a witness in the civil case ( blink holds hands over eyes).
<snip>


http://www.katu.com/news/local/104507829.html
 (http://www.katu.com/news/local/104507829.html)
<snip>

Peter Bunch said he's asked for Terri Horman calls to 9-1-1, back to Dec 26th [Note: the Decemeber request my have been mispoken].  But was denied by Sheriff's office saying it's part of "ongoing Investigation." He's tried to serve the landscaper, Rudy Sanchez with subpoena for deposition, but prosecutors wouldn't give him contact information because of the "ongoing investigation."  Bunch said Terri called 911 when Sanchez showed up at her house wired "trying to talk to about something".  He also said Rudy Sanchez is an AKA (alias).

<snip>


Let's look at MCSO:


Kyron Horman case: Lead investigator Keith Krafve

http://www.katu.com/news/local/121985859.html

<snip>

There are 68 binders filled with 4,500 leads that investigators like Sgt. Keith Krafve, the lead detective, have spent 11 months following and piecing together. Krafve says they still receive tips, including one from the state of Maine on the day a reporter was allowed into the epicenter of the investigation.

<snip>




KEITH KRAFVE: Swimming with the sharks.

http://www.wweek.com/portland/article-2761-swimming_with_sharks.html (http://www.wweek.com/portland/article-2761-swimming_with_sharks.html)

<snip>

April 7, 2000: Inside a fifth-floor courtroom in the Multnomah County courthouse downtown, Detective Krafve is sitting on the witness stand during Bryant's long-postponed bail hearing. Jenny Cooke faces him.

Cooke: "Has any other person that you've talked to during the course of your investigation told you that Jimmy Bryant is the shooter?"

Krafve: "Other than Humberto Castro?"

Cooke: "Right."

Krafve: "I don't believe so."

Cooke: "Have other witnesses or people with information told you or any other law-enforcement officials that Humberto Castro was the shooter?"

Krafve: "Yes." He then names five people but notes that Castro's credibility was bolstered with detailed knowledge of the crime.

Could he know details because he was the shooter?

Krafve: "That's possible."


<snip>

The defense team suspected there must be some reason Castro wasn't charged with murder--and, according to Martinek, they were right. The shark was singing.

Besides blowing the whistle on Bryant, Clark and the three other people who'd helped him dispose of Pawloski and Schneider's corpses, Castro solved a 1998 shooting death of a former associate. Soon after Castro's arrest, documents show, he told detectives the 18-year-old man was killed when he, Castro and four other cronies robbed two Clackamas pot growers. With Castro's account the two growers were charged with murder, while Castro's four surviving cohorts were slapped with robbery indictments.

Castro's information burnished his credibility and made him more valuable as a witness than as a defendant.

<snip>

Detectives Bob Peterson and Keith Krafve declined to be interviewed for this article; Krafve cited the pending lawsuit.

<snip>

Krafve and Peterson did not write a report of their conversation with the Ford family. Krafve later said he might not have believed their allegation that Castro confessed to the killing.


http://www.portlandtribune.com/news/story.php?story_id=14934 (http://www.portlandtribune.com/news/story.php?story_id=14934)

<snip>

Bryant now contends that the Multnomah County sheriff’s deputy and a Gresham city police officer who headed the investigation into the Schneider-Pawloski slayings sat on information that would have cleared him a lot sooner.

Bryant has filed a lawsuit in U.S. District Court claiming that the two investigators violated his civil rights by failing to provide the district attorney with information about witness interviews that would have resulted in the charges against him being dropped.

<snip>


I think it's time that MCSO bring Kyron home, IMO.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on May 28, 2012, 12:17:58 PM
I keep hoping that someone is going to stumble across his remains. 

Terri knows and I wish I felt like he'll be found, but I don't. IMO Kyron's remains are 'gone'...she made sure of that.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: seahorse on May 31, 2012, 07:24:16 PM

Hi Monkey's,

This photo bring tears and warm fuzzies to me.

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/haircut.jpg)

Thank-you to Blonde, for downloading the photo  ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 01, 2012, 08:33:01 AM
 ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.katu.com/news/local/Kyron-Horman-Desiree-Young-Kain-Horman-Terri-Horman-civil-lawsuit-156159635.html (http://www.katu.com/news/local/Kyron-Horman-Desiree-Young-Kain-Horman-Terri-Horman-civil-lawsuit-156159635.html)

Kyron Horman's mom plans to file civil suit against Terri Horman
By Colin Miner, John Tierney and Anna Canzano KATU News Published: May 31, 2012 at 11:00 PM PDT Last Updated: May 31, 2012 at 11:47 PM PDT

PORTLAND, Ore. - Desiree Young, the mother of missing boy, Kyron Horman, plans to file a civil suit against the boy's stepmother, Terri Horman.

The lawsuit, which sources tell KATU News will be filed on Friday, accuses Horman of "custodial interference."

Under Oregon law, custodial interference involves keeping a person from their legal custodian "permanently or for a protracted period."

 ::snipping2::

It's not clear what evidence Young will lay out in her lawsuit.

It's also important to note that this civil suit is different from a criminal indictment and was not brought by prosecutors. There is a lower burden of proof to find someone guilty in a civil suit compared to a criminal trial.

In a criminal case a defendant must be found guilty "beyond a reasonable doubt." However, in a civil case a defendant must only be found guilty based on a "preponderance of evidence."

"I explain to people as if you have a scale and drop one grain of sand on the scale, that's all you have to show for preponderance of the evidence. So it's a very low standard," said family law attorney Drew Bobzien. Bobzien is not involved with the Young lawsuit.

Young and her attorneys are filing the lawsuit now because there is a two-year statute of limitations on bringing a suit. Kyron was reported missing on June 4, 2010.

Even with the lawsuit, we shouldn't expect to see Terri Horman take the stand and testify about the case. She'll be protected by the Fifth Amendment of the Constitution against incriminating herself because she could still face criminal charges in the case.

"There isn't really any reason to think that any kind of evidence would shake out of the tree," Bobzien said.

Anything Horman says in a civil case could ultimately be used against her in a potential criminal case.

A judge, however, could allow the civil trial to proceed without Horman's testimony, which would make it difficult for her to defend herself.

Law enforcement sources told KATU that members of the Kyron Horman task force met once again on Thursday morning to discuss the latest developments in the case.

Kaine Horman Reacts: 'The gloves are off'

In reaction to the expected civil lawsuit, Kyron's father, Kaine Horman, said standing next to the Wall of Hope, "I think at this point in time, the gloves are off."

He says by nature, he's a patient person. But his patience is worn thin when it comes to the unanswered questions about his son and what happened to him - answers he believes Terri Horman holds.

 ::snipping2::




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: klaasend on June 01, 2012, 09:17:24 AM
Good for them, IMO


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 01, 2012, 09:29:25 AM
http://www.kxl.com/06/01/12/Kyron-Horman-Two-Years-Later-/landing.html?blockID=611238&feedID=10606 (http://www.kxl.com/06/01/12/Kyron-Horman-Two-Years-Later-/landing.html?blockID=611238&feedID=10606)

Kyron Horman Two Years Later

June 1, 2012, 5:09 am
June 4th has become a day we all remember in the KXL newsroom.  That is the day we all learned that a young boy named Kyron Horman was missing....he was last seen with his step mom at a science fair at Skyline School.  For months, his face was pasted all over the media and on billboards as police desperately searched for him.  His step mom, Teri Horman, became the focus of the investigation but charges were never filed.   Kyron's body has never been found.  His birth mom Desiree Young is now suing Teri Horman for custodial interference meaning that she has kept Kyron from her for an extended period of time.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 01, 2012, 09:29:47 AM
Good for them, IMO

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sharon on June 01, 2012, 10:37:01 AM
Good for them, IMO

I agree with you! I was wondering why this hadn't been pursued, but of course I don't have enough factual info to pass judgement.

Justice for Kyron  ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 01, 2012, 11:23:31 AM
I'm curious to find out which court Desiree will file the civil suit in and what attorney she will use. I just pray they are  highly experienced in civil suits to stand up against TH's attorney. I'm sure she'll try to plead the 5th like CA did.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sharon on June 01, 2012, 11:39:19 AM
I'm curious to find out which court Desiree will file the civil suit in and what attorney she will use. I just pray they are  highly experienced in civil suits to stand up against TH's attorney. I'm sure she'll try to plead the 5th like CA did.


I don't know any of those answers but am looking forward to finding out :-)

If it makes TH squirm or breakdown -- it's all good  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 01, 2012, 11:57:54 AM
I'm curious to find out which court Desiree will file the civil suit in and what attorney she will use. I just pray they are  highly experienced in civil suits to stand up against TH's attorney. I'm sure she'll try to plead the 5th like CA did.


I don't know any of those answers but am looking forward to finding out :-)

If it makes TH squirm or breakdown -- it's all good  ::MonkeyWink::

BBM

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: I agree!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 01, 2012, 12:00:04 PM
http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/local/story/Civil-suit-to-be-filed-as-2-year-anniversary-of/JClQ7OOS5EK19xz0435uvw.cspx (http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/local/story/Civil-suit-to-be-filed-as-2-year-anniversary-of/JClQ7OOS5EK19xz0435uvw.cspx)

Civil suit to be filed as 2-year anniversary of Kyron Horman's disappearance approaches
Edit to add article date.  MB  June 1, 2012

PORTLAND, Ore. -- A press conference is scheduled Friday for Desiree Young, and her Portland attorney Elden Rosenthal, in downtown Portland.

"As the two-year anniversary of Kyron's disappearance approaches, the press conference will announce and explain the filing of a lawsuit by Ms. Young," said Rosenthal in a statement received by KOIN Friday morning.

The meeting is scheduled to take place on the front steps of the Multnomah County Justice Center, 1120 S.W. 3rd Ave

 ::MonkeyGavel::



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 01, 2012, 12:05:08 PM
http://rosenthal-greene.com/trial-lawyer-elden-rosenthal.php (http://rosenthal-greene.com/trial-lawyer-elden-rosenthal.php)

Elden is one of Oregon’s most respected and successful trial lawyers.  Since graduating Stanford Law School in 1972, Elden’s peers and colleagues have honored him with the most prestigious awards given out by the Oregon State Bar, the Oregon Trial Lawyers Association and the American Civil Liberties Union of Oregon.

Elden received the Oregon State Bar’s highest honor, the Award of Merit, in 1991, and that same year the Oregon Trial Lawyers Association honored Elden as the organization's first recipient of its Public Justice Award.  In 2007 Elden received the A.C.L.U. of Oregon’s top honor, the E.B. McNaughton Award, and in 2008 the Oregon Trial Lawyers Association gave Elden its top award, the Distinguished Trial Lawyer Award.

 ::snipping2::

You better run and hide Houze. Rosenthal is coming after your client.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 01, 2012, 01:10:27 PM
http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/local/story/Civil-suit-to-be-filed-as-2-year-anniversary-of/JClQ7OOS5EK19xz0435uvw.cspx (http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/local/story/Civil-suit-to-be-filed-as-2-year-anniversary-of/JClQ7OOS5EK19xz0435uvw.cspx)

Civil suit to be filed as 2-year anniversary of Kyron Horman's disappearance approaches
Edit to add article date.  MB  June 1, 2012

PORTLAND, Ore. -- A press conference is scheduled Friday for Desiree Young, and her Portland attorney Elden Rosenthal, in downtown Portland.

"As the two-year anniversary of Kyron's disappearance approaches, the press conference will announce and explain the filing of a lawsuit by Ms. Young," said Rosenthal in a statement received by KOIN Friday morning.

The meeting is scheduled to take place on the front steps of the Multnomah County Justice Center, 1120 S.W. 3rd Ave

 ::MonkeyGavel::



Per KGW the presser is scheduled for 1:30 today. Sorry, don't have a link. Saw it on t.v.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 01, 2012, 01:24:57 PM
http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/local/story/Civil-suit-to-be-filed-as-2-year-anniversary-of/JClQ7OOS5EK19xz0435uvw.cspx (http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/local/story/Civil-suit-to-be-filed-as-2-year-anniversary-of/JClQ7OOS5EK19xz0435uvw.cspx)

Civil suit to be filed as 2-year anniversary of Kyron Horman's disappearance approaches
Edit to add article date.  MB  June 1, 2012

PORTLAND, Ore. -- A press conference is scheduled Friday for Desiree Young, and her Portland attorney Elden Rosenthal, in downtown Portland.

"As the two-year anniversary of Kyron's disappearance approaches, the press conference will announce and explain the filing of a lawsuit by Ms. Young," said Rosenthal in a statement received by KOIN Friday morning.

The meeting is scheduled to take place on the front steps of the Multnomah County Justice Center, 1120 S.W. 3rd Ave

 ::MonkeyGavel::



Per KGW the presser is scheduled for 1:30 today. Sorry, don't have a link. Saw it on t.v.

Here is a link. Just came over Google:

http://www.kval.com/news/local/Kyron-Horman-Desiree-Young-Kain-Horman-Terri-Horman-civil-lawsuit-156159635.html (http://www.kval.com/news/local/Kyron-Horman-Desiree-Young-Kain-Horman-Terri-Horman-civil-lawsuit-156159635.html)

Kyron Horman's mom plans to file civil suit against Terri Horman
By Colin Miner, John Tierney and Anna Canzano KATU News Published: Jun 1, 2012 at 9:51 AM PDT


Desiree Young will hold a news conference today at 1:30 p.m. KATU and KATU.com will carry it live.

 ::snipping2::
 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 01, 2012, 01:39:17 PM
If anyone is interested, there will be a live stream for the presser.

http://www.katu.com/news/live (http://www.katu.com/news/live)



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on June 01, 2012, 01:50:30 PM
If anyone is interested, there will be a live stream for the presser.

http://www.katu.com/news/live (http://www.katu.com/news/live)




Thank you Sassifras.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on June 01, 2012, 02:04:02 PM
http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/local/story/Civil-suit-to-be-filed-as-2-year-anniversary-of/JClQ7OOS5EK19xz0435uvw.cspx (http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/local/story/Civil-suit-to-be-filed-as-2-year-anniversary-of/JClQ7OOS5EK19xz0435uvw.cspx)

Civil suit to be filed as 2-year anniversary of Kyron Horman's disappearance approaches
Edit to add article date.  MB  June 1, 2012

PORTLAND, Ore. -- A press conference is scheduled Friday for Desiree Young, and her Portland attorney Elden Rosenthal, in downtown Portland.

"As the two-year anniversary of Kyron's disappearance approaches, the press conference will announce and explain the filing of a lawsuit by Ms. Young," said Rosenthal in a statement received by KOIN Friday morning.

The meeting is scheduled to take place on the front steps of the Multnomah County Justice Center, 1120 S.W. 3rd Ave

 ::MonkeyGavel::



 ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 01, 2012, 02:22:50 PM
If anyone is interested, there will be a live stream for the presser.

http://www.katu.com/news/live (http://www.katu.com/news/live)




Thank you Sassifras.

You're welcome Muffy!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 01, 2012, 02:27:11 PM
On the video it states that Desiree's attorney will have to prove (see video):

~ Kyron was taken out of state

~ Terri was responsible for Kyron being harmed

http://www.kval.com/news/local/Kyron-Horman-Desiree-Young-Kain-Horman-Terri-Horman-civil-lawsuit-156159635.html?tab=video&c=y (http://www.kval.com/news/local/Kyron-Horman-Desiree-Young-Kain-Horman-Terri-Horman-civil-lawsuit-156159635.html?tab=video&c=y)






Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sharon on June 01, 2012, 02:28:35 PM
Thanks for all of the updates, Sassifrass  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 01, 2012, 02:30:35 PM
On the video it states that Desiree's attorney will have to prove (see video):

~ Kyron was taken out of state

~ Terri was responsible for Kyron being harmed

http://www.kval.com/news/local/Kyron-Horman-Desiree-Young-Kain-Horman-Terri-Horman-civil-lawsuit-156159635.html?tab=video&c=y (http://www.kval.com/news/local/Kyron-Horman-Desiree-Young-Kain-Horman-Terri-Horman-civil-lawsuit-156159635.html?tab=video&c=y)





Should be or.


They must have something to start this action.  ::MonkeyTongue::



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 01, 2012, 02:31:27 PM
Thanks for all of the updates, Sassifrass  ::MonkeyAngel::

You're very welcome sharon.  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 01, 2012, 02:49:00 PM
I just had a thought.

This is a VERY smart move on the part of Desiree. Now, I'm not an attorney but, if Rosenthal brings up evidence in a civil trial, can't that be used in a criminal trial?

I was thinking this would prevent evidence from being quashed by a judge if it makes it to a criminal trial because it would already been recorded by the courts.

Anyone know?  ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: cw618 on June 01, 2012, 02:49:01 PM
http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/local/story/Civil-suit-to-be-filed-as-2-year-anniversary-of/JClQ7OOS5EK19xz0435uvw.cspx (http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/local/story/Civil-suit-to-be-filed-as-2-year-anniversary-of/JClQ7OOS5EK19xz0435uvw.cspx)

Civil suit to be filed as 2-year anniversary of Kyron Horman's disappearance approaches
Edit to add article date.  MB  June 1, 2012

PORTLAND, Ore. -- A press conference is scheduled Friday for Desiree Young, and her Portland attorney Elden Rosenthal, in downtown Portland.

"As the two-year anniversary of Kyron's disappearance approaches, the press conference will announce and explain the filing of a lawsuit by Ms. Young," said Rosenthal in a statement received by KOIN Friday morning.

The meeting is scheduled to take place on the front steps of the Multnomah County Justice Center, 1120 S.W. 3rd Ave

 ::MonkeyGavel::



Quote
If anyone is interested, there will be a live stream for the presser.

http://www.katu.com/news/live

Quote
Here is a link. Just came over Google:

http://www.kval.com/news/local/Kyron-Horman-Desiree-Young-Kain-Horman-Terri-Horman-civil-lawsuit-156159635.html

Kyron Horman's mom plans to file civil suit against Terri Horman
By Colin Miner, John Tierney and Anna Canzano KATU News Published: Jun 1, 2012 at 9:51 AM PDT


Desiree Young will hold a news conference today at 1:30 p.m. KATU and KATU.com will carry it live.


TY sass,some info on civil suits,did i count the time right,EST would be at 4;30
http://www.crimevictimlaw.com/civil/civil.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 01, 2012, 02:51:45 PM
That's correct cw! 4:30 EST and 1:30 PST.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 01, 2012, 04:06:24 PM
I, along with many people have been waiting for this for a long time. Desiree is doing everything right.  ::MonkeyAngel::

I've bitten my nails down and I don't typically bite my nails. I'm so looking forward to the evidence they present.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 01, 2012, 04:34:34 PM
pressers about to start


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 01, 2012, 04:50:11 PM
Highlights of presser:

 Desiree:My Kyron has always been my comfort and joy We are living through a nightmare! I hope that I am wrong but I feel he is gone forever. I feel Terri is responsible. In this lawsuit I am compelling Terri to tell me where Kyron is. I'm asking for  money damages. The money will be donated.

I will pursue anything or anyone that helped Terri. It's time for Terri to take responsibility.

Rosenthal: To date there has been no indictment. There are 2 justice systems. The civil justice system will allow us to find Kyron. I will be able to subpoena what you can't in a criminal case. It will compel Terri to return Kyron. The demand is for $10 million dollars. Will amend the case for punitive damages. We will pursue anyone that helped her. They DEMAND that Terri tell them where Kyron is.

It could take a year if she fights the case. Terri will have 30 days to respond.





Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Brandi on June 01, 2012, 04:59:19 PM
Mother files lawsuit saying Terri Horman kidnapped Kyron
http://www.katu.com/news/local/Desiree-Young-files-lawsuit-saying-Terri-Horman-kidnapped-Kyron-Horman-156429105.html
Edit to add date of article publication.  MB   June 1, 2012
PORTLAND, Ore. – The mother of Kyron Horman, the young boy who vanished two years ago, filed a lawsuit against the boy’s stepmother on Friday claiming that she is “responsible for the disappearance of Kyron.”

In the lawsuit, Desiree Young directly asserts that Terri Horman kidnapped Kyron. The suit also claims Horman “intentionally interfered with [Young’s] parental rights and that Terri Horman intentionally inflicted severe emotional distress.”

The suit goes on to say that Young “seeks the return of her son and seeks compensatory damages.”

<snipped>


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Brandi on June 01, 2012, 05:01:04 PM
Kyron Horman's mother sues Terri Horman for $10 million
http://www.kmtr.com/news/local/story/Kyron-Hormans-mother-sues-Terri-Horman-for-10/mfnIkdO-r0eq_zLlR4AC1A.cspx
Edit to add date article published.   MB  June 1, 2012



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Brandi on June 01, 2012, 05:03:54 PM
Lots of tweets about the suit here: https://twitter.com/#!/KATUNews (https://twitter.com/#!/KATUNews)

Including:
Rosenthal: Suit filed due to pending expiration of statute of limitations.

Rosenthal: "No amount of money is enough" to compensate Desiree, but they had to name an amount ($10 million).

Rosenthal: Case could take a year to come to trial if Terri mounts a "strong defense."

Answers to questions: Rosen: No matter if Terri pleads the 5th, case will continue. Young: Confident in case, charges can be brought.

Rosenthal at #KyronHorman press conf: "We will aggressively search for information" about others that may be involved.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 01, 2012, 05:09:05 PM
Thank you Brandi!  ::MonkeyKiss:: Sure have missed you!  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Brandi on June 01, 2012, 05:20:58 PM
Thank you Brandi!  ::MonkeyKiss:: Sure have missed you!  ::MonkeyAngel::

Good to see Desiree sticking in there.

Unfortunately, I missed the conference, but found this shot I cropped of her and her attorney on the way to the conference.

I believe Kyle Iboshi from KGW posted it in his twitter originally. (https://twitter.com/KyleIboshi/status/208660537117118464/photo/1/large)

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/Image171-1.png)


 
 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: seahorse on June 01, 2012, 05:38:37 PM
Thank you Brandi!  ::MonkeyKiss:: Sure have missed you!  ::MonkeyAngel::

I missed you, too!  :)

Thanks, Sassi, Brandi, & wonderful Monkey's, for the updates, photo's, Press links.
 ::justice2NJ::


If anyone is interested:

'Monkey Rizzy'

 "Whos Who"

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8168.60


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 01, 2012, 06:38:46 PM
You're welcome seahorse! Doesn't Desiree look wonderful?  ::MonkeyAngel::


http://www.katu.com/news/local/Desiree-Young-files-lawsuit-saying-Terri-Horman-kidnapped-Kyron-Horman-156429105.html (http://www.katu.com/news/local/Desiree-Young-files-lawsuit-saying-Terri-Horman-kidnapped-Kyron-Horman-156429105.html)

Mother files lawsuit saying Terri Horman kidnapped Kyron
By KATU.com Staff Published: Jun 1, 2012 at 1:13 PM PDT Last Updated: Jun 1, 2012 at 2:43 PM PDT

PORTLAND, Ore. – The mother of Kyron Horman, the young boy who vanished two years ago, filed a lawsuit against the boy’s stepmother on Friday claiming that she is “responsible for the disappearance of Kyron.”

In the lawsuit, Desiree Young directly asserts that Terri Horman kidnapped Kyron. The suit also claims Horman “intentionally interfered with [Young’s] parental rights and that Terri Horman intentionally inflicted severe emotional distress.”

The suit goes on to say that Young “seeks the return of her son and seeks compensatory damages.

Terri Horman was the last person known to see Kyron alive at Skyline School on June 4, 2010. She has long been the focus of the investigation into his whereabouts, although she has never been formally named a criminal suspect.

 ::snipping2::

"I haven't been able to see my son, hug him, kiss him or tuck him into bed," she said. "I hope that I'm wrong but I fear that he is gone forever. I believe Terri Horman knows where Kyron is."

Calls to Terri Horman and both her criminal and divorce attorneys for comment have not yet been returned. Nobody answered the door at her house in Roseburg, Ore.

 ::snipping2::

In the suit, Young’s lawyers wrote that Terri Horman “feigned ignorance of the circumstances surrounding the disappearance” and “lied to investigating authorities and to the media regarding her activities on June 4, 2010.”

 ::snipping2::

"I don't want Terri's money," she said. "I want Terri to face justice."

Civil lawsuits involve a lower burden of proof to be found guilty than criminal indictments.

 ::snipping2::

"There are tools available to me that will allow us to peel away the mystery surrounding Kyron's disappearance," he said.

 ::snipping2::

Rosenthal and his team will have to prove that Horman took Kyron with the intent to hold him “permanently or for a protracted period.”

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 01, 2012, 06:46:13 PM
What will Houze' move be? Will he have Terri plead the 5th?  :smt102

I'm sure of one thing, Desiree is not going to give up. She is determined to find Kyron, one way or another. I think we know that TH most likely doesn't have a pot to pee in as far as money, and I'm sure Desiree and Rosenthal are aware of that. IMO, I think it's about working around criminally charged barriers to bring her son home.Hence, the civil suit.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on June 01, 2012, 06:49:20 PM
What will Houze' move be? Will he have Terri plead the 5th?  :smt102

I'm sure of one thing, Desiree is not going to give up. She is determined to find Kyron, one way or another. I think we know that TH most likely doesn't have a pot to pee in as far as money, and I'm sure Desiree and Rosenthal are aware of that. IMO, I think it's about working around criminally charged barriers to bring her son home.Hence, the civil suit.


Agreed  ::rhino::  And Houze will probably have Terri plead the 5th.  JMHO


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on June 02, 2012, 03:50:51 AM
Thank you Brandi!  ::MonkeyKiss:: Sure have missed you!  ::MonkeyAngel::

Good to see Desiree sticking in there.

Unfortunately, I missed the conference, but found this shot I cropped of her and her attorney on the way to the conference.

I believe Kyle Iboshi from KGW posted it in his twitter originally. (https://twitter.com/KyleIboshi/status/208660537117118464/photo/1/large)

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/Image171-1.png)


 
 


Brandi - TY for the picture - I hardly recognized Desiree.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on June 02, 2012, 03:54:38 AM
What will Houze' move be? Will he have Terri plead the 5th?  :smt102

I'm sure of one thing, Desiree is not going to give up. She is determined to find Kyron, one way or another. I think we know that TH most likely doesn't have a pot to pee in as far as money, and I'm sure Desiree and Rosenthal are aware of that. IMO, I think it's about working around criminally charged barriers to bring her son home.Hence, the civil suit.


Agreed  ::rhino::  And Houze will probably have Terri plead the 5th.  JMHO

That's what I was thinking, too...as long as MCSO has not formally cleared Terri, she won't be making any statements. 

Desiree asserts that "Terri" "kidnapped" Kyron.  Last I remember (it's fuzzy ha ha), Terri left Kyron at school and MCSO said there were witnesses that say Kryon after Terri left.  Kyron disappeared from school...on the school's watch.  Right?

Can't wait to see how this develops and how/what can be presented to "prove" that Terri kidnapped Kyron.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 02, 2012, 09:25:43 AM
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/06/kyron_hormans_mother_seeking_t.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/06/kyron_hormans_mother_seeking_t.html)


Kyron Horman's mother, seeking to 'peel away layers of mystery,' sues Terri Moulton Horman for $10 million
Published: Friday, June 01, 2012, 6:16 PM     Updated: Saturday, June 02, 2012, 12:14 AM

With no indictment or arrest in the two-year disappearance of Kyron Horman, the boy's mother Friday turned to civil court, filing a lawsuit that contends Kyron's stepmother kidnapped the boy and asks a judge to compel her to bring him back, or divulge where his body was taken.

 ::snipping2::

Terri Horman's lawyer, Stephen Houze, said he would not respond until he had thoroughly read the civil complaint.

 ::snipping2::

Rosenthal pledged to aggressively use all the tools afforded to him in a civil case "to peel away the layers of mystery surrounding Kyron's disappearance," and to add more names to the suit if others are responsible. He said he will issue subpoenas for witnesses to testify under oath, and compel the production of documents, such as e-mails and text messages.

"There are some cases that require victims of wrongs to use the civil justice system," Rosenthal said. "This case is one of them."

 ::snipping2::

The suit contends Terri Horman lied to investigators with "false claims of ignorance" about what happened June 4, 2010.

"Assuming that Kyron is alive, plaintiff is entitled to the return of her son," the suit says. "If Kyron is dead, plaintiff is entitled to the return of his remains."

 ::snipping2::

Although Terri Horman can invoke her right not to incriminate herself in the civil case, Rosenthal said he doesn't expect that or an ongoing criminal inquiry to impede the suit.

 ::snipping2::

Kaine Horman's divorce case has been delayed for two years, with the next court date set for October. Terri Horman's lawyer had argued that a parallel divorce case, while the criminal inquiry proceeds, would jeopardize his client's Fifth Amendment rights not to incriminate herself.

Kaine Horman is not involved in Young's civil suit and was not consulted by Young beforehand. But Friday he applauded the effort.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 02, 2012, 09:31:24 AM
I'm curious if Rudy Sanchez, aka who the heck knows, will be receiving a subpena. Also, Dede Spicher.

I'm so proud of Desiree having the strength to go forward with this civil suit. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 02, 2012, 09:37:38 AM
I see District Attorney Underhill up on the steps.  ::MonkeyCool::

(http://media.oregonlive.com/oregonian/photo/2012/06/11115448-standard.jpg)

http://photos.oregonlive.com/oregonian/2012/06/kyron_horman_lawsuit_3.html (http://photos.oregonlive.com/oregonian/2012/06/kyron_horman_lawsuit_3.html)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on June 02, 2012, 09:39:36 AM
I'm curious if Rudy Sanchez, aka who the heck knows, will be receiving a subpena. Also, Dede Spicher.

I'm so proud of Desiree having the strength to go forward with this civil suit. 

Rudy and Dede definitely come to mind imo,  ::rhino::





Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 02, 2012, 09:41:03 AM
I'm curious if Rudy Sanchez, aka who the heck knows, will be receiving a subpena. Also, Dede Spicher.

I'm so proud of Desiree having the strength to go forward with this civil suit. 

Rudy and Dede definitely come to mind imo,  ::rhino::

Maybe we'll find out his "real" name!  ::MonkeyHaHa::








Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 02, 2012, 09:41:38 AM
Oops. Got in your box Muffy. So sorry!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on June 02, 2012, 09:56:43 AM

Quote
Maybe we'll find out his "real" name!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 02, 2012, 11:56:26 AM
PDF file of the law suit:

http://katubim.s3.amazonaws.com/Terri%20Horman%20Lawsuit.pdf (http://katubim.s3.amazonaws.com/Terri%20Horman%20Lawsuit.pdf)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 02, 2012, 12:45:31 PM
This may give you an idea of what Rosenthal's procedure may be. Apparently he was/is on the Multnomah County Court task force on civil jury practices. It's pretty informative IMO.

http://courts.oregon.gov/Multnomah/docs/CivilCourt/CivilJuryTrials_RecommendedPracticesForCivilJuryTrials.pdf (http://courts.oregon.gov/Multnomah/docs/CivilCourt/CivilJuryTrials_RecommendedPracticesForCivilJuryTrials.pdf)






Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on June 02, 2012, 03:29:46 PM
PDF file of the law suit:

http://katubim.s3.amazonaws.com/Terri%20Horman%20Lawsuit.pdf (http://katubim.s3.amazonaws.com/Terri%20Horman%20Lawsuit.pdf)

Thank you Sassifras.  I made a thread and posted the link in it for reference. 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=13181.0
Desiree Young V. Terri Moulton Horman Lawsuit PDF file


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on June 02, 2012, 03:47:21 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/US/kyron-horman-missing-boys-mother-sues-stepmother/story?id=16481243
Kyron Horman: Missing Boy's Mother Files $10 Million Lawsuit Against Stepmother
June 2, 2012

Video at Link


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 02, 2012, 04:14:59 PM
PDF file of the law suit:

http://katubim.s3.amazonaws.com/Terri%20Horman%20Lawsuit.pdf (http://katubim.s3.amazonaws.com/Terri%20Horman%20Lawsuit.pdf)

Thank you Sassifras.  I made a thread and posted the link in it for reference. 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=13181.0
Desiree Young V. Terri Moulton Horman Lawsuit PDF file

Oh! Good idea! Thanks you Muffy!  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: klaasend on June 02, 2012, 06:29:19 PM
http://www.katu.com/news/local/Photos-Kaine-Horman-hosts-Run-for-Kyron-156739625.html (http://www.katu.com/news/local/Photos-Kaine-Horman-hosts-Run-for-Kyron-156739625.html)

Photos: Kaine Horman hosts 'Run for Kyron'

Kaine Horman hosted the second annual Run for Kyron at Cook Park in Tigard on Saturday, June 2, 2012. Kaine's son, Kyron, has been missing since 2010 and the event is part of the father's effort to keep up the spirit of hope.

(http://media.katu.com/images/120602_kyron_run1.jpg)

(http://media.katu.com/images/120602_kyron_run5.jpg)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on June 02, 2012, 06:41:16 PM
In the picture in the above post, I'm assuming that Kaine is holding Kiara's hand.

My how she's grown; still a cutie!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 02, 2012, 07:08:46 PM
In the picture in the above post, I'm assuming that Kaine is holding Kiara's hand.

My how she's grown; still a cutie!

Hi puzzler!   ::HelloKitty::

You're right. Kiara has really grown up! I sure pray that all of this is being kept at a minimum to her until she gets older. She sure does look like a mini Terri though. Just saying...


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 02, 2012, 07:11:43 PM
Oh, I see Kaines father in the back also.

Thanks for posting those Klaas.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on June 02, 2012, 10:34:38 PM
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1206/01/ijvm.01.html
JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL
George Zimmerman Ordered Back to Jail
Aired June 1, 2012 - 19:00   ET

 ::snipping2::
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DESIREE YOUNG, MOTHER OF KYRON HORMAN: Kyron, we love you and we miss you. We remain here working hard every day to get you home.

KAINE HORMAN, FATHER OF KYRON HORMAN: He`s still out there. He`s still out there. We just need to find him.

YOUNG: There is one person that knows where he is. Terri Horman, where is Kyron?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You have to get on the stand and plead the fifth and you can`t tell exactly what happened or didn`t happen. If the truth -- if you put the truth out there and it`s not incriminating, then why wouldn`t she say what happened?

YOUNG: If I ever confronted her, if she would ever give me that chance, I would talk to her and I would talk to her about the fact that Kyron never asked a thing of her except for her to love him.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She wants Kyron to know she`ll never of stop looking.

YOUNG: I have to do this. I have to do it each and every day because, if I don`t, who`s going to?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight, a new development in the mystery surrounding the disappearance of 7-year-old Kyron Horman. You remember this case. We covered it so much.

It`s been two long years since little Kyron vanished from his school science fair. And now Kyron`s biological mother is putting the heat on the one person she believes knows what happened to Kyron, his stepmother Terri Horman.

Kyron vanished two years ago Monday after attending a school science fair in Portland. Stepmom Terri Horman brought him to school that day. She was the last person to see him.

Well, tonight Kyron`s mother is suing stepmom Terri Horman, -- you see stepmom right there -- for custodial interference because Desiree Young, the mother, says she believes the stepmom Terri Horman had something to do with her son`s disappearance.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

YOUNG: I hope everyday that Kyron comes through the door and that we find him ok. I want that with everything. But with the information and the evidence I have been presented against Terri, I`m confident that she probably did something to him.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Terri Horman has never officially been called a suspect or even arrested in this case. We reached out to her attorneys but have not heard back. Kyron`s dad is trying to divorce her, but it`s stuck in the courts right now.

During this investigation, Kyron`s dad found out that his former bodybuilding wife -- you see Terri there -- even allegedly tried to hire someone to kill him and she that also had a sexting fling with a gardener.

Straight out to Bruce McCain, attorney and former captain with a sheriff`s office -- very, very knowledgeable on this case; tonight, Bruce, what do we know about this lawsuit Kyron`s mother has filed?

BRUCE MCCAIN, ATTORNEY: Well, Jane, we haven`t actually seen it because it hasn`t yet quite been released to the public. But I can tell you already there`s going to be some major substantive problems for Desiree. Oregon actually has a statute that allows for a civil suit for custodial interference but it piggybacks on the criminal statute. It requires Desiree to do what the prosecutors have been unwilling to do and that`s actually to prove Terri Horman committed a crime.

And one of the elements that`s going to be very difficult in this case is that the first-degree custodial interference that Desiree has to prove requires a showing that Kyron was taken out of state. That`s going to be virtually impossible.

It also has a six-year statute of limitations. So we`re still curious why the lawyers are saying we had to do this right away. This really looks like it`s more along the lines of Kaine`s civil suit two years ago of trying to force Terri into some kind of a deposition, which she`ll never do; and to try to get some information out of her.

The likelihood of success in this is not very good.

(CROSSTALK)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And Kaine is the father, by the way. Just for those who are unaware of all the players, Kaine is the dad.

MCCAIN: That`s right.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Police told us today that this is not a cold case and that there`s a detective assigned to Kyron`s case. They wouldn`t comment on Terri Horman. Kyron`s mom has repeatedly made statements that she believes stepmom Terri had something to do with her son`s disappearance.

Listen to this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

YOUNG: Terri, I feel like you are at a crossroads in your life. This is not going to get any easier for you. The police will not stop until they find Kyron. You will go to jail, and whoever has been helping you will either have to talk, or they will go to jail.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: We reached out to Terri Horman`s attorney, didn`t get a call back. He and/or Terri invited on our show anytime.

Straight out to the Victoria Taft, host of "The Victoria Taft Show"; what do you make of this lawsuit?

VICTORIA TAFT, HOST, "THE VICTORIA TAFT SHOW": Well, it looks to me Jane, as if it`s a place holder for something that is coming down the pipe. Maybe throwing everything against the wall and at least putting her marker down and saying, ok, something`s got to happen. Maybe they`re hoping that something will shake loose, some information. Maybe it will light a fire under the new district attorney who`s coming on board fairly soon. Maybe someone will say, we`ve got to do something, I know some information, and maybe they`ll call in, Jane.

I mean I`m just hoping.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Hey, it`s Friday. I think we all deserve a laugh break.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

(LAUGH BREAK)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

YOUNG: I know that she hates Kyron, just hates him. And we see a lot of writing from her communicating that she did not like him and did not want him in her life. And I just feel now, over a year later I just feel like she probably harmed him.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Kyron lived for the most part with his father and his stepmother Terri and their young daughter. Kyron`s biological mom Desiree would see him on weekends.

Desiree says she never realized how Terri felt about her son. Essentially Desiree feels that Terri hated her son. The stepmom took the 5th before a grand jury. She`s been questioned by police but she`s never been arrested.

Joe Episcopo, criminal defense attorney, she`s been silent. She`s been the focus of the investigation but she`s never been charged with anything. Is this one of these -- and I hate to say this because it breaks my heart -- no body, no case?

JOE EPISCOPO, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, as far as the civil suit, she`s going to take the 5th amendment. They`re not going to get anywhere on that. Even if they win $1 million they are probably never going to collect it. So I don`t think they -- you know, they don`t have a case either way.

Maybe they should have thought about the civil suit against the school. But I just think they`re going to have problems just because they say, well, she didn`t like the kid. That`s not enough to get a conviction in criminal court.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Listen, over the past two years Kyron`s mom, Desiree, has resigned herself to the fact that her son is probably dead. She wants somebody to pay for it.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

YOUNG: I just want her to see his face every single day. I want her reminded every single day of what she`s done. I want her to suffer. I want her to suffer as much as Kyron has.

And those billboards are a reminder that I will never stop. I won`t stop until we find him.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Kyron`s dad and stepmother were standing at the school bus stop on the afternoon of June 4 waiting for Kyron to get off the bus. And he never did. There is the father and there is the biological mother. They had split up a long time ago when Kaine was living with the stepmother. They have since split up and they are in the midst of an ugly, ugly divorce.

Pat Brown, criminal profiler, will we ever learn the truth about what happened to this precious young boy?

PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER: Well, it`s like every one of these other cold, cold, cold cases. They don`t have any physical evidence. They have suspicions. They have beliefs. I`m sure they are looking at Terri Horman. No question about it. But they`ve got nothing to work with that would lead to any kind of a prosecution.

So, unless something pops up one day, that`s not going to happen. And the civil suit, in my opinion, is kind of ridiculous because the only way to prove that she interfered with anything is to prove that she murdered the child.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: melisb on June 03, 2012, 12:39:23 AM
Great diggin' Sassi!  Don't throw all the nanners at once but I'm gonna say MOO again!  I still think Terri doesn't know what happened to Ky but she does know who and why!  I think she got way too deep in Sanchez' private, possibly criminally evil world!  I believe he threatened to take/harm one of her children if she ever left him and/or snitched him out to LE!  I don't think she harmed Kyron directly but does believe that Sanchez lured/kidnapped him from school, harmed him and disposed of him.  She may believe that her life/her daughter's life/or the life of her parents will be done the same way if she talks to LE!  I guess the proof would be to look at what Mr. Sanchez and all his AKA's have gotten away with up till now!  She's not right at all and may have allowed a crime against a child to take place just to save face but I do think she is scared chitless and may even feel that her baby girl is much more safe with Kaine!  All MOO!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: melisb on June 03, 2012, 12:44:43 AM
Meant to say great work Sassi and all the great Monkey's keeping our little Kyron right here with us.  I'm no great article scanner nor can I always bring a link over so I really appreciate what everyone here does!!!!!!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 03, 2012, 09:05:13 AM
Great diggin' Sassi!  Don't throw all the nanners at once but I'm gonna say MOO again!  I still think Terri doesn't know what happened to Ky but she does know who and why!  I think she got way too deep in Sanchez' private, possibly criminally evil world!  I believe he threatened to take/harm one of her children if she ever left him and/or snitched him out to LE!  I don't think she harmed Kyron directly but does believe that Sanchez lured/kidnapped him from school, harmed him and disposed of him.  She may believe that her life/her daughter's life/or the life of her parents will be done the same way if she talks to LE!  I guess the proof would be to look at what Mr. Sanchez and all his AKA's have gotten away with up till now!  She's not right at all and may have allowed a crime against a child to take place just to save face but I do think she is scared chitless and may even feel that her baby girl is much more safe with Kaine!  All MOO!

BBM

No nanners melisb.  ::MonkeyWink::

I think it's a good possibility that you may be correct. I'm praying that this civil suit will bring out the cockroaches that have been in hiding.

I think we can say, without a doubt, IMO, that Terri is not going to say chit. Houze would be a looney tune to allow her to speak even though he can't force her to remain silent. She does have a choice to step forward and tell the court everything she knows, but most likely, that's not going to happen. JMO.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 03, 2012, 09:10:43 AM
I was thinking about the likely hood of subpoenaing text records after 2 years so I went digging and this is what I found. IIRC Kaine and Terri have/had Verizon.

http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/2011/09/retentionpolicy.pdf (http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/2011/09/retentionpolicy.pdf)



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on June 03, 2012, 11:47:56 AM
Does anyone know what Terri is doing now ?
She still hiding a ther parents house ?
I also hope that something shakes some evidence loose.
I can't believe that she hasn't seen her Kiara for two years and hasn't made a legal move to do so. ( As far as I know ).
I used to think that maybe she didn't have anything to do with this, but the silence speaks for itself.  Just my opinion. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: cw618 on June 03, 2012, 01:27:17 PM
TY sass and monkeys for the updates

can the poly/LDT,be used as evidence in a civil suit

and seeing Kiara, is heartbreaking,its nice to see she looks
happy,but i cant believe or understand how her mother has
made the choice to stay out of her life,and it must be so difficult
for parents of missing children,not to be freaked out when,they
are out in a crowd,or just out and about with the other child,
children, i would be paranoid all the time,and so over protective
it would drive the kid and me nuts


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on June 03, 2012, 01:37:24 PM
TY sass and monkeys for the updates

can the poly/LDT,be used as evidence in a civil suit

and seeing Kiara, is heartbreaking,its nice to see she looks
happy,but i cant believe or understand how her mother has
made the choice to stay out of her life,and it must be so difficult
for parents of missing children,not to be freaked out when,they
are out in a crowd,or just out and about with the other child,
children, i would be paranoid all the time,and so over protective
it would drive the kid and me nuts

IIRC, I believe we found out when the divorce case documents were flowing that not only can a LDT not be used in a civil case (cannot be used in "court"), but in one of Houze's responses he chastised one of Kaine's filings because it "mentioned" LDT which is against the law in a "formal document" because an LDT cannot be used in court.
Edit to add "not".  MB


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on June 03, 2012, 01:38:06 PM
TY sass and monkeys for the updates

can the poly/LDT,be used as evidence in a civil suit

and seeing Kiara, is heartbreaking,its nice to see she looks
happy,but i cant believe or understand how her mother has
made the choice to stay out of her life,and it must be so difficult
for parents of missing children,not to be freaked out when,they
are out in a crowd,or just out and about with the other child,
children, i would be paranoid all the time,and so over protective
it would drive the kid and me nuts

IIRC, I believe we found out when the divorce case documents were flowing that not only can a LDT not be used in a civil case (cannot be used in "court"), but in one of Houze's responses he chastised one of Kaine's filings because it "mentioned" LDT which is against the law in a "formal document" because an LDT cannot be used in court.
Edit to add "not".  MB

LDT can "not" be used in a civil case...(sorry for leaving out a word)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 03, 2012, 01:56:29 PM
puzzler:

I'm curious if Terri's admission to people that she failed a lie detector test can be used though.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on June 03, 2012, 02:33:24 PM
TY sass and monkeys for the updates

can the poly/LDT,be used as evidence in a civil suit

and seeing Kiara, is heartbreaking,its nice to see she looks
happy,but i cant believe or understand how her mother has
made the choice to stay out of her life,and it must be so difficult
for parents of missing children,not to be freaked out when,they
are out in a crowd,or just out and about with the other child,
children, i would be paranoid all the time,and so over protective
it would drive the kid and me nuts

IIRC, I believe we found out when the divorce case documents were flowing that not only can a LDT not be used in a civil case (cannot be used in "court"), but in one of Houze's responses he chastised one of Kaine's filings because it "mentioned" LDT which is against the law in a "formal document" because an LDT cannot be used in court.
Edit to add "not".  MB

LDT can "not" be used in a civil case...(sorry for leaving out a word)

Puzzler, please check and see if this is how your posts should read. (I added "not" in blue) 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on June 03, 2012, 03:04:26 PM
puzzler:

I'm curious if Terri's admission to people that she failed a lie detector test can be used though.

No...not in a "court of law".

Remember when Kaine filed his sworn affidavit in the divorce case and they mentioned LDT in that filing (maybe twice) and when Houze responded to Kaine's filing, Houze made it clear that it is "against the law" to mention the LDT because LDTs are not allowed in court.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on June 03, 2012, 03:05:25 PM
TY sass and monkeys for the updates

can the poly/LDT,be used as evidence in a civil suit

and seeing Kiara, is heartbreaking,its nice to see she looks
happy,but i cant believe or understand how her mother has
made the choice to stay out of her life,and it must be so difficult
for parents of missing children,not to be freaked out when,they
are out in a crowd,or just out and about with the other child,
children, i would be paranoid all the time,and so over protective
it would drive the kid and me nuts

IIRC, I believe we found out when the divorce case documents were flowing that not only can a LDT not be used in a civil case (cannot be used in "court"), but in one of Houze's responses he chastised one of Kaine's filings because it "mentioned" LDT which is against the law in a "formal document" because an LDT cannot be used in court.
Edit to add "not".  MB

LDT can "not" be used in a civil case...(sorry for leaving out a word)

Puzzler, please check and see if this is how your posts should read. (I added "not" in blue) 

Muffy - TY - yes that's the way I meant for it to look - again, thank you.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Brandi on June 03, 2012, 04:46:26 PM
Does Kaine Horman think his son, Kyron, is still alive? 'Yes, ma'am, I sure do,' he says
Published: Sunday, June 03, 2012, 10:00 AM
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/06/does_kaine_horman_think_his_so.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Kaine Horman will not be at work Monday on the second anniversary of the disappearance of his son Kyron Horman.

He's reserving the day for media interviews about his son, who was last seen June 4, 2010. Over the past two years, Horman has spent countless hours reminding the public that his son is missing and that he's focused on finding him. The latest event was held Saturday, with a Run for Kyron at Cook's Park in Tigard.

The case captured the national spotlight for months as investigators searched for signs of the boy who disappeared from his elementary school, drawing attention from people as far away as Europe. His story has fallen below the radar, but Horman does everything he can to draw public awareness.

He thinks every public event -- and more are planned through the summer -- could help resolve the case.

Does he think Kyron is still alive?

"Yes, ma'am, I sure do," Horman said.

<snipped>


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on June 04, 2012, 02:41:37 AM
http://www.ajamie.com/files/Uploads/Documents/Article%20on%205th%20Amendment%20from%20Fall%20Issue%20(ELJ).pdf


Asserting the Fifth Amendment in Civil Proceedings


By Dona Szak

Published in Energy Litigation, Volume 10, Number 1, Fall 2010. © 2010 by the American Bar Association.



(snip)  Invoking the Fifth Amendment in a Deposition

The discovery stage of civil litigation presents the first potential pitfall

for the actual or potential criminal defendant. Must he or she submit to

a deposition? The defendant indeed is required to appear for a deposition,

and, cannot use the existence of parallel criminal proceedings or his or her

fear of criminal proceedings, to avoid giving a deposition. Nevertheless, the

defendant may assert his or her rights under the Fifth Amendment and decline

to answer specific questions that he or she reasonably believes could be used in

a criminal prosecution or could lead to other evidence that might be so used.10

The witness need not have been actually accused of a crime to invoke this

right.  (snip)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on June 04, 2012, 03:15:08 AM
http://www.kgw.com/video/featured-videos/Run-for-Kyron-held-Saturday-156880455.html

During the video:

Kaine says they tried to use the divorce proceeding to get information and was unable to to it they way they wanted.

House is expected to put out a statement sometime on Monday.
Edit to fix typo per puzzler.  MB
 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on June 04, 2012, 03:15:51 AM
Today marks the 2nd anniversary of the day Kyron went missing.  Sigh...


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on June 04, 2012, 03:17:49 AM
http://www.kgw.com/video/featured-videos/Run-for-Kyron-held-Saturday-156880455.html

During the video:

Kaine says they tried to use the divorce proceeding to get information and was unable to to it they way they wanted.

House is expected to put out a statement sometime on Monday.
 


I'm sorry...meant to say....tried to use the divorce proceeding to get infomration and was UNable to do it...
Fixed.  MB


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 04, 2012, 08:49:42 AM
Thank you for that info puzzler wrt pleading the 5th in a civil case.  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 04, 2012, 08:53:26 AM
The last known photo of Kyron, taken on June 4, 2010.  ::crymonkey2::


(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/c14.0.403.403/p403x403/522571_434089336622669_542363562_n.jpg)


I pray that Kyron comes home soon and that he gets the justice he deserves.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 04, 2012, 08:57:01 AM

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/c2.0.403.403/p403x403/536629_433436336687969_1425566280_n.jpg)



 ::MonkeyAngel::  ::MonkeyAngel::  ::MonkeyAngel::  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: melisb on June 04, 2012, 09:01:46 AM
Oh Sassi, my thanks to you was the only comment directed at you!!!!  The next paragraph sould have been on another line. I was just runnin at the mouth for no one. I'm sorry, it looked like it was meant for you.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 04, 2012, 09:12:29 AM
Oh Sassi, my thanks to you was the only comment directed at you!!!!  The next paragraph sould have been on another line. I was just runnin at the mouth for no one. I'm sorry, it looked like it was meant for you.

Silly melisb. I didn't take it that way my friend.  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: TnMuse on June 04, 2012, 11:19:19 PM
Great diggin' Sassi!  Don't throw all the nanners at once but I'm gonna say MOO again!  I still think Terri doesn't know what happened to Ky but she does know who and why!  I think she got way too deep in Sanchez' private, possibly criminally evil world!  I believe he threatened to take/harm one of her children if she ever left him and/or snitched him out to LE!  I don't think she harmed Kyron directly but does believe that Sanchez lured/kidnapped him from school, harmed him and disposed of him.  She may believe that her life/her daughter's life/or the life of her parents will be done the same way if she talks to LE!  I guess the proof would be to look at what Mr. Sanchez and all his AKA's have gotten away with up till now!  She's not right at all and may have allowed a crime against a child to take place just to save face but I do think she is scared chitless and may even feel that her baby girl is much more safe with Kaine!  All MOO!
I have a MOO too.  According to Terri the bell went off and she watched Kyron head toward his classroom and then turned around and left.  While Tanner was coming up the stairs to the classroom, he saw Kyron going down saying he was going to see the "cool electric one".  The time is too short for anyone other than Terri to have told Kyron about the "cool electric one".  Terri sent him to his fate.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Brandi on June 05, 2012, 12:56:41 AM
Age-progression image shows Kyron Horman at age 9
By KVAL News Published: Jun 4, 2012 at 5:28 PM PDT

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/age9.png)

PORTLAND, Ore. - Kyron Horman would be 9 years old now that two years have passed since he was last seen June 4, 2010.

The National Center for Missing & Exploited Children produced an age-progressed image showing what Kyron might look like two years after he disappeared.

Kyron was 7 years old when he was last seen at a pre-class science fair at Skyline Elementary School on the outskirts of Portland.

One of the largest manhunts in Oregon history failed to find him.
Adding link per Brandi.  MB http://www.kval.com/news/local/Age-progression-image-shows-Kyron-Horman-at-age-9-157067135.html
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Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Brandi on June 05, 2012, 01:20:07 AM
Age-progression image shows Kyron Horman at age 9
By KVAL News Published: Jun 4, 2012 at 5:28 PM PDT

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/age9.png)

PORTLAND, Ore. - Kyron Horman would be 9 years old now that two years have passed since he was last seen June 4, 2010.

The National Center for Missing & Exploited Children produced an age-progressed image showing what Kyron might look like two years after he disappeared.

Kyron was 7 years old when he was last seen at a pre-class science fair at Skyline Elementary School on the outskirts of Portland.

One of the largest manhunts in Oregon history failed to find him.

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Was so worried about posting the date of the article, I forgot the link!

http://www.kval.com/news/local/Age-progression-image-shows-Kyron-Horman-at-age-9-157067135.html

So sorry. Thank you Brandi.  I've added it.  MB


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on June 05, 2012, 01:41:33 AM
Missing' poster shows what Kyron might look like today
Edit to add article publication date.  MB June 4, 2012

http://www.kgw.com/news/Missing-poster-shows-what-Kyron-might-look-like-today-157064035.html

snipped:

"PORTLAND – A new missing boy poster has been created in the search for Kyron Horman, which shows what he might look like now, two years after he vanished, at the age of 7.

The National center for Missing & Exploited Children issued the new missing boy poster Monday, which marked the two-year anniversary of the day he vanished."


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on June 05, 2012, 07:11:53 AM
http://www.people.com/people/article/0%2c%2c20601178%2c00.html

Kyron Horman's Room Still Awaits Him – Two Years Later

June 04, 2012


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on June 05, 2012, 07:41:25 AM
Age-progression image shows Kyron Horman at age 9
By KVAL News Published: Jun 4, 2012 at 5:28 PM PDT

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/age9.png)

PORTLAND, Ore. - Kyron Horman would be 9 years old now that two years have passed since he was last seen June 4, 2010.

The National Center for Missing & Exploited Children produced an age-progressed image showing what Kyron might look like two years after he disappeared.

Kyron was 7 years old when he was last seen at a pre-class science fair at Skyline Elementary School on the outskirts of Portland.

One of the largest manhunts in Oregon history failed to find him.
Adding link per Brandi.  MB http://www.kval.com/news/local/Age-progression-image-shows-Kyron-Horman-at-age-9-157067135.html
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I was looking at the age progression image and it would appear they have Kyron's jaw line more prominent than his pictures show two years ago, which I guess would be normal for a growing young man.  His face just looks so much fuller than I would have imagined. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on June 05, 2012, 08:21:01 AM
I hope that each night Terri's head hits her pillow, vivid, terrifying nightmares come to her.  May she not find a minute's peace until she tells the truth about Kyron.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 05, 2012, 08:33:40 AM
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20601178,00.html (http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20601178,00.html)


Kyron Horman's Room Still Awaits Him – Two Years Later

By Elaine Aradillas

Monday June 04, 2012 07:55 PM EDT

Kaine Horman is waiting for his son to return. There's a banner in the living room that reads: "Kyron come home." Pictures of the bespectacled boy line the walls.

"I am not going to make a shrine for Kyron in my house, but I have stuff all over my house that has his face and name on it," Kaine tells PEOPLE.

 ::snipping2::

Kaine has never given up hope and adamantly believes his son is alive. While he waits, he has made changes to his son's bedroom.

"My heart is with him all the time and I … wonder what he is like now. I wonder what he is into. I wonder what he enjoys," he says. "It makes me feel like I am keeping pace with him when I am updating stuff. It makes me feel like he is still there."

Kaine reads stories online and some commenters have chided him for not keeping things the same. He understands but he says he's going to do things his own way.

"What is right is completely up to me. He is my son," Kaine says. "There is no playbook for how you are supposed to feel. There is no playbook for how you are supposed to heal from it. There is no playbook for what you are supposed to do. Everybody is different."

 ::snipping2::

"I still believe that she is involved," he says. "I still believe that someone helped her, but we just don't know where he is at."


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: 4 Donks on June 05, 2012, 12:26:44 PM
http://www.gofundme.com/kyronhorman#description

Donation site for donations for the legal case.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on June 11, 2012, 12:09:34 PM
Okay...something interesting in today's news - but only found it on a video - go to link and scroll down to video ("one" of several videos on the left side of the screen) - it's about Sauvie Island:

http://www.koinlocal6.com/default.aspx

1st-time fisherman reports scalp, human hair at end of line

June 11, 2012 9:01 a.m. EDT (0:49)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: cw618 on June 11, 2012, 01:22:26 PM
Okay...something interesting in today's news - but only found it on a video - go to link and scroll down to video ("one" of several videos on the left side of the screen) - it's about Sauvie Island:

http://www.koinlocal6.com/default.aspx

1st-time fisherman reports scalp, human hair at end of line

June 11, 2012 9:01 a.m. EDT (0:49)

thanks Puzzler the story and vid


Witness: Boy fishing near Sauvie Island snags what could be human hair
First on KOIN Local 6

Published: 7:47 am

::snipping2::

PORTLAND, Ore. -- Authorities are investigating the report of possible human remains found in the waters off Sauvie Island.

Columbia County deputies received a call from a fisherman Sunday afternoon, with a report that
he may have discovered human hair on the end of his line
 ::snipping2::
"He said it was his first time ever fishing, and he pulled up what he thought was horse hair at first," said the bystander.
"And the more he looked at it he realized it looked like scalp and human hair."

The dive team suited up in early evening light and went into the water. Just before 11 p.m.
Sunday they took down their caution tape and left quickly.
 ::snipping2::
On Monday KOIN did hear from Jeffrey Dickerson with the Columbia County Sheriff's Office.
He confirmed "a fisherman pulled a wad of what appeared to be human hair out of the water"
on his fishing line. However, Dickerson said no scalp was attached.

The hair is being sent to the Oregon State Police Crime Lab for analysis. 

He said the Multnomah County Sheriff's dive team "could find nothing" to suggest a human
body was nearby.
http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/local/story/Possible-Sauvie-Island-remains-investigated/EP5UAQZ-RUiowGtN2ckDRQ.cspx


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Sister on June 11, 2012, 01:31:36 PM
http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/06/11/kyron-horman-missing-case-breaking-news-remains-believed-to-be-human-located-off-sauvie-island/
Edit to add :  Monday 11 June 2012 12:21 pm


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on June 11, 2012, 01:38:50 PM
http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/06/11/kyron-horman-missing-case-breaking-news-remains-believed-to-be-human-located-off-sauvie-island/
Edit to add :  Monday 11 June 2012 12:21 pm

Thank you for bringing the link and news over from Blink's, Sister.  It's a mixed bag imo.  If the remains turn out to be Kyron's, there goes hope he could be found alive. But at least his family would know where he is.   ::MonkeyNoNo::  If they aren't his remains, there is still hope he is alive.  ::FlyingFrog::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on June 11, 2012, 04:07:04 PM
http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Did-Columbia-fisherman-reel-in-human-hair-158462685.html
Fisherman on Sauvie Island reportedly reels in human hair
June 11, 2012
Quote
Three fishermen had been out near the Gilbert River Boat Ramp ramp Sunday night when one of their lines got snagged. When they reeled the line in there was a clump of hair caught around the weight.
There were about 10 strands of light-brown hair, about five inches long, according to one of the fishermen, Steve Klinger. 



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on June 11, 2012, 04:08:24 PM
Oh, I wonder what kind of day is Terri have with this in the news?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 11, 2012, 04:28:27 PM
I don't think it's Kyron IMO. I'm not giving up hope.  ::MonkeyAngel::

Also, IMO, I don't Terri was on SI. We keep looking for any news that pops up praying that it will lead to bringing Kyron home, one way or another. We all want that. We all want that in every case don't we.

Unfortunately the hair belongs to someone, but I sincerely don't think it's him. JMO.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 11, 2012, 04:36:58 PM
A reminder of his last photo:

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/c14.0.403.403/p403x403/522571_434089336622669_542363562_n.jpg)





Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 11, 2012, 04:43:27 PM
According to KGW the hair was about 5" long.

Fisherman on Sauvie Island reportedly reels in human hair

Posted on June 11, 2012 at 11:37 AM

Updated today at 12:23 PM


 ::snipping2::

There were about 10 strands of light-brown hair, about five inches long, according to one of the fishermen, Steve Klinger. He said they weren't sure what to do about the catch, but they decided to call 911.

Sheriff Dickerson said the results might not come back from the crime lab for weeks.


http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Did-Columbia-fisherman-reel-in-human-hair-158462685.html (http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Did-Columbia-fisherman-reel-in-human-hair-158462685.html)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Blink34 on June 11, 2012, 04:46:25 PM
http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/06/11/kyron-horman-missing-case-breaking-news-remains-believed-to-be-human-located-off-sauvie-island/
Edit to add :  Monday 11 June 2012 12:21 pm

Thank you for bringing the link and news over from Blink's, Sister.  It's a mixed bag imo.  If the remains turn out to be Kyron's, there goes hope he could be found alive. But at least his family would know where he is.   ::MonkeyNoNo::  If they aren't his remains, there is still hope he is alive.  ::FlyingFrog::

Thank You Both!

I have been working on an update piece as it is, and then this- I personally do not believe what was recovered belongs to Kyron, but  I am very interested as the initial comment from a witness I spoke to was that it appeared to be "horsehair".

To my knowledge,  at this moment it cannot be concluded that what was found was not a wig, or a portion of same, although I have to believe we are not sending dive teams in at night if that were the case.

For me,  given the description and location,  I think it MAY be "D.A.D." related.
This is not the first time this launch was searched.  


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 11, 2012, 04:57:14 PM
http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/06/11/kyron-horman-missing-case-breaking-news-remains-believed-to-be-human-located-off-sauvie-island/
Edit to add :  Monday 11 June 2012 12:21 pm

Thank you for bringing the link and news over from Blink's, Sister.  It's a mixed bag imo.  If the remains turn out to be Kyron's, there goes hope he could be found alive. But at least his family would know where he is.   ::MonkeyNoNo::  If they aren't his remains, there is still hope he is alive.  ::FlyingFrog::

Thank You Both!

I have been working on an update piece as it is, and then this- I personally do not believe what was recovered belongs to Kyron, but  I am very interested as the initial comment from a witness I spoke to was that it appeared to be "horsehair".

To my knowledge,  at this moment it cannot be concluded that what was found was not a wig, or a portion of same, although I have to believe we are not sending dive teams in at night if that were the case.

For me,  given the description and location,  I think it MAY be "D.A.D." related.
This is not the first time this launch was searched.  

BBM

Hi Blink!

Thanks for the input. What do you mean D.A.D. I know WHO you mean, I just don't understand WHAT you mean.  ::MonkeyTongue::

I guess I'm a bit confused. Sorry.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 14, 2012, 02:25:36 PM
Another possible look at Kyron Horman

Posted: Jun 14, 2012 9:02 AM PDT Updated: Jun 14, 2012 9:08 AM PDT
By FOX 12 Staff


As part of the continued effort to help find Kyron Horman, the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children released yet another age-progression picture.

 ::snipping2::

Kyron's father, Kaine Horman, said he hopes the photo can help bring in new clues to help bring his son home.

http://www.kptv.com/story/18788820/another-possible-look-at-kyron-horman (http://www.kptv.com/story/18788820/another-possible-look-at-kyron-horman)


(http://kptv.images.worldnow.com/images/18788820_BG1.jpg)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Brandi on June 14, 2012, 02:34:27 PM
TODAY   |  Aired on June 07, 2012
Rossen Reports: Do missing child posters work?

http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/47719010

Video mentions Kyron.

Interesting results.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 15, 2012, 09:54:48 AM
This is a reply to Idahogal on BOC:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/06/11/kyron-horman-missing-case-breaking-news-remains-believed-to-be-human-located-off-sauvie-island/ (http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/06/11/kyron-horman-missing-case-breaking-news-remains-believed-to-be-human-located-off-sauvie-island/)

Idahogal says:
June 14, 2012 at 3:01 pm

Okay, I’ve had something rattling around in my brain for days and I need to get it out of there!
A long time ago I used to check in at The Hinky Meter on Kyron’s case to see what folks were saying. At one point Valhall shared a long “Blog Post” that had been sent to her from a reader. This “blog post” had been written by someone using the handle “Red Squirrel” and in the post she had said how much she hated her stepson, wished he would die, etc. I believe it was posted on some step parent blog site, not sure where and I can’t find it now that the Hinky Meter has closed shop. Valhall had speculated that perhaps the Red Squirrel poster was TH talking about Kyron.
I am just wondering, were it TH that wrote it, well that would certainly be an item that would cause DY to say TH had an extreme hatred for Kyron. And I think LE would have been able to trace the poster’s url address, although I may be wrong about that. IDK if we talked about it here or not, does anyone else remember this?


_______________________________________

My reply:

Idahogal: I believe this is what you are referencing but the poster wasn't called Red Squirrel. The user name was "stepmom2kids. It's dated March 13, 2010. Anyway, here is the link. Hope this helps.

http://ths.gardenweb.com//forums/load/step/msg011826118329.html?60 (http://ths.gardenweb.com//forums/load/step/msg011826118329.html?60)



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on June 16, 2012, 08:17:14 AM
TODAY   |  Aired on June 07, 2012
Rossen Reports: Do missing child posters work?

http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/47719010

Video mentions Kyron.

Interesting results.

The computer enhanced updated photos naturally, would only work if the child was still alive.  IMO they cause more confusion than anything else. I am not a fan of the enhancements.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Brandi on June 17, 2012, 12:38:05 AM
TODAY   |  Aired on June 07, 2012
Rossen Reports: Do missing child posters work?

http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/47719010

Video mentions Kyron.

Interesting results.

The computer enhanced updated photos naturally, would only work if the child was still alive.  IMO they cause more confusion than anything else. I am not a fan of the enhancements.

I agree, the computer enhanced photos to show age progression leave a lot to be desired.

But the video in my post above has nothing to do with enhanced photos.

It's really worth a watch. It's about people actually in the same place as a missing child poster and the missing child showcased in the poster. And how people react to seeing the child.

Makes one think about the effectiveness of Missing Posters.

Just thought it was worth a watch.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2012, 10:26:00 AM
This is a reply to Idahogal on BOC:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/06/11/kyron-horman-missing-case-breaking-news-remains-believed-to-be-human-located-off-sauvie-island/ (http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/06/11/kyron-horman-missing-case-breaking-news-remains-believed-to-be-human-located-off-sauvie-island/)

Idahogal says:
June 14, 2012 at 3:01 pm

Okay, I’ve had something rattling around in my brain for days and I need to get it out of there!
A long time ago I used to check in at The Hinky Meter on Kyron’s case to see what folks were saying. At one point Valhall shared a long “Blog Post” that had been sent to her from a reader. This “blog post” had been written by someone using the handle “Red Squirrel” and in the post she had said how much she hated her stepson, wished he would die, etc. I believe it was posted on some step parent blog site, not sure where and I can’t find it now that the Hinky Meter has closed shop. Valhall had speculated that perhaps the Red Squirrel poster was TH talking about Kyron.
I am just wondering, were it TH that wrote it, well that would certainly be an item that would cause DY to say TH had an extreme hatred for Kyron. And I think LE would have been able to trace the poster’s url address, although I may be wrong about that. IDK if we talked about it here or not, does anyone else remember this?


_______________________________________

My reply:

Idahogal: I believe this is what you are referencing but the poster wasn't called Red Squirrel. The user name was "stepmom2kids. It's dated March 13, 2010. Anyway, here is the link. Hope this helps.

http://ths.gardenweb.com//forums/load/step/msg011826118329.html?60 (http://ths.gardenweb.com//forums/load/step/msg011826118329.html?60)



Here is a direct link to that specific post:

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/stepmom2kids32010.jpg (http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/stepmom2kids32010.jpg)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Grey on June 25, 2012, 10:52:06 AM
There is a YouTube video about helping Desiree with funds for her lawsuit against TH.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ug25tr4vcs

Mail donations to
Justice for Kyron Horman
P.O. Box 725
Medford, OR 97501

Online donations at
http://www.gofundme.com/kyronhorman

PayPal donations to
email address justice4kyron@yahoo.com

Desiree's sister Kelly set up the site for online donations, and the mail address and email address are on the donation site.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on June 25, 2012, 09:42:42 PM
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/kyron-richard-horman/view


KYRON RICHARD HORMAN


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Grey on June 28, 2012, 10:38:25 PM
Kaine Horman's restraining order against his wife is renewed for another year

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/06/kaine_hormans_restraining_orde.html

 ::piggy::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on June 29, 2012, 06:05:30 AM
 :smt023


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: tupelohoney on July 09, 2012, 10:44:24 PM
http://www.gofundme.com/kyronhorman

Updated posted by Kelly Davidson Ramirez 4 hours ago
Kyron fact: Kyron's favorite toys are cars,...Kyron fact:
Kyron's favorite toys are cars, only the ones that look cool of course, and building with legos.


Updated posted by Kelly Davidson Ramirez 3 days ago
Kyron started calling me Momma when...Kyron started calling me Momma when he was 2 years old. Because I didn’t really like it when he first said it, I asked him why he was calling me that instead of Mom all of the sudden. He told me, “because you are a Momma and it is better than just a Mom.” Because he liked it so much I said it was okay and it kinda stuck . . . now I would give anything to hear him say that to me or yell it from the bedroom again.
(Kyron’s Momma)


Updated posted by Kelly Davidson Ramirez 10 days ago
Kyron’s Favorite Past time…. Ever since Ky...Kyron’s Favorite Past time….
Ever since Ky was a baby and Quinn was 8 we have danced together in our living room…we often turn up the music and just dance. It makes you smile. I often think of our dances and how much Kyron loves it. When it is hard, I can close my eyes and I still see him dancing in the living room with his brother playing air guitar to the music. I would occasionally play some new music just to see their reaction, the last one, New Kids on the Block. Oh yeah and Kyron loves “The Right Stuff”. Who would have thought they would make a comeback!
(Momma)


Updated posted by Kelly Davidson Ramirez 12 days agoWhy Frogs?: Kaine wanted our son to...Why Frogs?:
Kaine wanted our son to be named with a K, and that was hard to do with a boy’s name, we gave it a good college try to no avail. Kaine came up with the suggestion that we name him either Kermit or Kasper. And that was the day the frogs started; from that moment on everything was frogs, gifts, toys, shirts, etc. Ky loved it.
(Momma)


Updated posted by Kelly Davidson Ramirez 14 days ago
Kyron Fact: Kyron wants to be a...Kyron Fact:
Kyron wants to be a detective when he grows up.
His favorite animal is a laborador. (Ernie is his dog's name.)


Updated posted by Kelly Davidson Ramirez 17 days ago
When Kyron was little he had...When Kyron was little he had a hard time saying the word ridiculous. He used to tell us that’s
ree-dic-alus (spelled the way he said it) and then laugh his belly laugh and we would all start laughing with him.
(Papa & Nana)


Updated posted by Kelly Davidson Ramirez 18 days ago
Just a reminder; if you think...Just a reminder; if you think you see Kyron call 911 immediately and have it checked out. The tip line is for information purposes and not sightings.
Thanks!


Updated posted by Kelly Davidson Ramirez 19 days ago
Kyron Fact: Kyron got his first pair...Kyron Fact:
Kyron got his first pair of glasses at the age of 2.
He is allergic to bees.


Updated posted by Kelly Davidson Ramirez 21 days ago
My brother was young, around 4...My brother was young, around 4 or so. After I finished using my chapstick I handed it to Kyron, thinking he might want to put some on his lips. As I turned back around to retrieve it from him I realized he had eaten the entire thing in one mouthful. Almost simultaneously as he is trying to chew it he is also getting that look on his face, as if to say, “What in the world kind of candy is this?” He says to me, “What kind of Starburst is this.” Well my mom and I laughed so hard that she almost drove off of the road. Kyron didn’t understand what was so funny until we told him it was chapstick, and Mom said, “Ky go ahead and spit it out, please spit it out, you don’t have to eat that.” Then he decided it was funny enough to laugh at too.
One of the stories we think of often when we think of Ky.
(From, Quinn (Ky’s older brother)


Updated posted by Kelly Davidson Ramirez 24 days ago
Kyron Fact: Not many of you would...Kyron Fact:
Not many of you would know this since in all of the pictures you see of Kyron he has short hair, but his hair is actually really curly like Desiree's.



Updated posted by Kelly Davidson Ramirez 26 days ago
Before Kyron went missing he used...Before Kyron went missing he used to spend the night at our house quite often. My oldest son and him are the best of friends. Every time he would stay I would set up a cot to sleep on. Well Kyron always wanted to sleep on one of the bunkbeds instead because it was more comfortable, so at night time Kyron and Mayson would get together and convince Connor (my youngest son) that sleeping on the cot was the coolest thing and that he should sleep on it (this way Kyron would be able to have the more comfortable bed).
(Aunt Kelly)


Updated posted by Kelly Davidson Ramirez 28 days agoOk here goes our first Kyron...Ok here goes our first Kyron story.....

Why Kyron?:
It was almost September 2002 and we really hadn’t come up with an appropriate name for Kyron. We looked everywhere, in every book available. Well by the time I was 8 months pregnant, I had been in labor for a month, I was ready to be done being pregnant, I decided to go to a movie. I thought why not spend the afternoon in the air conditioning so I went to see the movie “Sum of All Fears.” Well there is an actor in the movie who spells his/her name “Ciaran”; well anyway I was trying to pronounce it in my head to figure out how you say it. Well I suddenly said “Kyron” and I went ooooh, I like that. Needless to say I told Kaine when I got home and he agreed, we decided that Kyron it was and we spelled it Kyron.
(Kyron's Momma)


Updated posted by Kelly Davidson Ramirez 1 month ago
Starting Monday I want to start...Starting Monday I want to start something new. I want all of you to truly get to know the little boy you are fighting so hard for. Every couple of days I will post a fact or memory of Kyron and what family member or friend it came from. Make sure you like this site on Facebook so you can see the posts and don't forget to share it!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: tupelohoney on July 18, 2012, 08:59:33 PM
http://www.nwcn.com/home/?fId=162949456&fPath=/news/local&fDomain=10202

Terri Horman doesn't want son testifying about Kyron's disappearance
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 4:15 PM
Updated today at 5:14 PM


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: melisb on July 18, 2012, 09:56:05 PM
Well now....just what does TH think her son will say???  If he can shed light on why Kyron is missing can you imagine the torment he must feel about having to testify???!!!!  As a parent who would no questions asked, die for my child I could never, ever, ask him to stand in front of a court of law and lie for me if I was guilty of something!!!  Especially not in the case of his missing brother!  TH, if she does know something or did the crime herself, must take the stand and tell the truth and not put her child through the agony of having to hold bad secrets in and lie.  He will soon be old enough to leave the nest and talk freely so she better watch out!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 20, 2012, 10:08:11 AM
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/07/terri_hormans_lawyer_seeks_to.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/07/terri_hormans_lawyer_seeks_to.html)


Terri Horman's lawyer seeks to delay Desiree Young's civil proceeding

Published: Thursday, July 19, 2012, 3:44 PM     Updated: Thursday, July 19, 2012, 6:03 PM


A hearing is set for Aug. 15 in Multnomah County Circuit Court on a forthcoming motion by Terri Horman's lawyer to delay any proceedings in the civil lawsuit that Desiree Young filed against Horman last month.

Young filed a lawsuit that contends that Kyron's stepmother kidnapped Kyron Horman and asks a judge to compel her to bring him back, or divulge where his body was taken.

 ::snipping2::

Terri Horman's civil lawyer, Peter Bunch, said Thursday that he intends next week to file a motion to abate, or put on hold, Young's civil proceeding, using the same legal arguments he did in persuading a judge to delay divorce proceedings.
 
His motion to delay Young's civil proceeding will be heard Aug. 15 before Multnomah County Circuit Judge Henry Kantor, according to court records.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 24, 2012, 12:07:43 PM
https://portal.courts.oregon.gov/egov/portal/!ut/p/c5/hY5JDoJAFESP9H-aSZfQoqA0gw0IvSEQDYHIsCAYOL3NAdCq5UsNIEC6L-emLqdm6Ms3ZCD0wgvORxrbiME11NC1Y1-PGCd40yTP9YJeTEc1PMlJikh8jUeYcAVd5U_6ARmqBW8PI1umzFvpHLdrtLCTTdhqEhYHhPlV-EzviWVapCqqk8yIrfXX5sZxRyaC7wzdC3IQxu43qsPYJfPofOovKZLVxw!!/dl3/d3/L0lDU0lKSmdwcGchIS9JRFNBQ0lpTXlDb2tBSUFtaWdZIS80QzFiOVdfTnIwZ0NVZ2chLzdfTE9GOUNURTAwT0pQNTBJRVRONlFNUzIwQzYvX25uQk0xMjI0MDA1MS8yMDQzNjE5MTYzMTk!/ (https://portal.courts.oregon.gov/egov/portal/!ut/p/c5/hY5JDoJAFESP9H-aSZfQoqA0gw0IvSEQDYHIsCAYOL3NAdCq5UsNIEC6L-emLqdm6Ms3ZCD0wgvORxrbiME11NC1Y1-PGCd40yTP9YJeTEc1PMlJikh8jUeYcAVd5U_6ARmqBW8PI1umzFvpHLdrtLCTTdhqEhYHhPlV-EzviWVapCqqk8yIrfXX5sZxRyaC7wzdC3IQxu43qsPYJfPofOovKZLVxw!!/dl3/d3/L0lDU0lKSmdwcGchIS9JRFNBQ0lpTXlDb2tBSUFtaWdZIS80QzFiOVdfTnIwZ0NVZ2chLzdfTE9GOUNURTAwT0pQNTBJRVRONlFNUzIwQzYvX25uQk0xMjI0MDA1MS8yMDQzNjE5MTYzMTk!/)


(http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad12/sass2heart/DesiVsTerri.jpg)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on July 24, 2012, 01:45:11 PM
Thank you Sassifras  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 24, 2012, 07:06:30 PM
Thank you Sassifras  ::MonkeyKiss::

You're very welcome Muffy  ::bee::

I was curious where we could post upcoming PDF files on the civil suit. I noticed that the Desiree vs Terri thread is locked. Any suggestions? Thanks!  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on July 24, 2012, 07:31:49 PM
Thank you Sassifras  ::MonkeyKiss::

You're very welcome Muffy  ::bee::

I was curious where we could post upcoming PDF files on the civil suit. I noticed that the Desiree vs Terri thread is locked. Any suggestions? Thanks!  ::MonkeyAngel::


I've unlocked the Desiree vs Terri thread.  I'm not sure why it was locked, but you can post in there now. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on July 26, 2012, 12:08:21 AM
Here's a link to the actual 30-page motion that Peter Bunch submitted:

http://images.bimedia.net/documents/abate.pdf



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on July 26, 2012, 12:11:45 AM
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/07/terri_hormans_lawyer_seeks_a_d.html

Terri Horman's lawyer seeks a delay of at least 2 years of Desiree Young's civil lawsuit
Published: Wednesday, July 25, 2012


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on July 26, 2012, 12:14:50 AM

http://www.king5.com/news/local/Terri-Horman-seeks-2-year-delay-of-civil-suit-by-missin-163749536.html

Terri Horman seeks delay of civil suit by missing Portland boy's mother
July 25, 2012

(snip)
The latest brief, filed Tuesday by Horman's attorneys, includes three specific claims for relief:
 
1- Young seeks order compelling Horman to “reveal the whereabouts of Kyron’s body.”
 
2- Young claims that Horman “deprived [Young] of the lawful custody of her son[.]
 
3- Young claims that Horman lied to investigating authorities,” causing Young “severe and unrelenting emotions distress.” Young is also seeking $10,000 dollars in damages.
 
In seeking a two-year reprieve from the civil suit, Horman's attorneys argued that "The burden on Horman of being required to participate in this lawsuit before the District Attorney and Police squarely jeopardizes her constitutional rights.”


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: BabsKats on July 26, 2012, 11:05:20 AM

http://www.kptv.com/story/19112807/terri-horman-seeking-two-year-delay-of-lawsuit

 Posted: Jul 25, 2012 3:01 PM CDT
Updated: July 25, 2012 01:01 PM

 
 PORTLAND, OR (KPTV/AP) - The stepmother of an Oregon boy who vanished two years ago has asked a judge to hold off hearing a suit that says she knows the boy's location.


Kyron Horman

Kyron Horman disappeared from Skyline School in northwest Portland on June 4, 2010. He hasn't been seen since.

•SPECIAL SECTION: The disappearance of Kyron Horman
 
The lawsuit filed by Kyron Horman's biological mother, Desiree Young, asks a judge to order Terri Horman to return Kyron or, if he's dead, say where his remains are located. The lawsuit also seeks $10 million.


Terri Horman says in a brief filed late Tuesday that a criminal investigation is under way, and the civil suit should be stayed two years while it plays out.

Her lawyers claim it's an unfair effort by Young to get information that police could not get in the criminal investigation. They worry anything said in the civil case could taint a future jury pool if there's an arrrest down the line.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on August 01, 2012, 01:10:34 PM
Looky at what I found.  ::MonkeyCool::

I think, IMO, this is the real Rudy.


Remember Rudy, aka Rodolfo Estrada Sanchez, that owns RS Landscape Maintenance? Well I found this under the FB page of Rudy Estrada. Read the sign on the truck.


https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=359063864131308&set=a.202555793115450.44655.100000830937158&type=3&theater (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=359063864131308&set=a.202555793115450.44655.100000830937158&type=3&theater)


(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/s720x720/373993_359063864131308_2083337565_n.jpg)


A note on the pic says " Estos son Mis jugetitos " (Note: he spelled it wrong. It should be juguetitos). It translates to: " These are my toys"


There are also many familiar names on his friends list.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on August 01, 2012, 01:11:41 PM
Oops! Forgot the link to the translation.

http://translate.google.com/#auto/en/Estos%20son%20Mis%20juguetitos (http://translate.google.com/#auto/en/Estos%20son%20Mis%20juguetitos)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on August 01, 2012, 01:38:12 PM
http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-823006 (http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-823006)


Missing Oregon child Kyron Horman breaks new legal ground

By seancruz  |  Posted 21 hours ago  |  portland, Oregon


Recent civil court filings in the case of Kyron Horman, the 7-year old Portland boy who vanished more than two years ago, are significant far beyond the case itself.

This case is establishing legal precedent with every filing

These filings are the first under Oregon’s landmark child abduction statute, Senate Bill 1041, known as “Aaron’s Law”, which provides child abduction victims with new tools where the criminal and family law systems are unable to move forward, and yet there is a missing child.

With Aaron’s Law, Oregon became the first and only state in the nation where the crime of Custodial Interference in the First Degree creates a civil cause of action, the legal basis for a victim to hold abductors accountable for the damage their actions have inflicted on innocent children and families.

The attorney for Kyron’s mother made the first move, filing notice of a tort claim against Kyron’s stepmother. This filing was first in the state and first in the nation.

 ::snipping2::

The nation’s criminal and family law systems treat the issue of time, the value of time in a child’s life and in the child’s relationships to parents and family, as if time has no importance.

Both systems also provide few tools or options for victims, who are usually put in the position of helpless spectators to processes that are failing to produce a missing child.

Aaron’s Law provides new tools to resolve and deter child abduction cases.

 ::snipping2::

Aaron’s Law also recognizes that many child abductions involve multiple perpetrators, and is triggered by the Oregon Custodial Interference I statute that reaches to any person who takes, entices or keeps a child wrongfully, who provides planning, logistical or financial support to the abduction.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: melisb on August 01, 2012, 08:00:31 PM
That's some 'spensive toys he has there!  Looks like setting up folks/hitman for hire/landscaping pays pretty well!!!!!  Poor Kyron, soooo long and not a damn thing new!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on August 02, 2012, 11:38:47 PM
Kyron Horman's mother fights two-year civil lawsuit delay
Posted on August 2, 2012 at 12:49 PM Updated today at 2:18 PM

http://www.kgw.com/news/Kyron-Hormans-mother-fights-lawsuit-delay-164788256.html


Snipped:

"Desiree Young says in a motion to be filed in court on Thursday that Terri Horman should not be allowed to delay Young's suit by two years.

"She (Young) believes the defendant (Horman) is responsible for the disappearance of her son, and is entitled--under both the United State and Oregon Constitutions--to pursue these claims in a timely manner," the motion reads."



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on August 02, 2012, 11:39:30 PM
Here's the link to Desiree's motion:

http://images.bimedia.net/documents/Motion+to+Abate+-+Response+and+Decl+8-2-12.pdf



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Kokos Cat on August 03, 2012, 05:28:13 AM
Thanks Puzzler!  ::MonkeyKiss::

Here's the link to Desiree's motion:

http://images.bimedia.net/documents/Motion+to+Abate+-+Response+and+Decl+8-2-12.pdf




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on August 03, 2012, 10:03:56 AM
Here's the link to Desiree's motion:

http://images.bimedia.net/documents/Motion+to+Abate+-+Response+and+Decl+8-2-12.pdf



Thanks Puzzler!

Did you notice on page 10-11 that James is going into the military in late August? I wonder how that will play out if he's deposed. Can he be deposed while in the military? If he can't, I'm curious if this was a legal maneuver.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: grace-land on August 03, 2012, 08:06:50 PM
Video at link

http://www.kptv.com/story/19185419/kyron-hormans-mom-fights-delay-on-civil-suit

Kyron Horman's mom fights delay on civil suit
Posted: Aug 02, 2012 11:01 PM CDT
Updated: Aug 03, 2012 9:27 AM CDT

 ::snipping2::
The hearing to discuss Terri Horman's motion to delay that civil case is scheduled for Aug. 15.   
::snipping2::
 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Gypsy DD on August 03, 2012, 10:03:57 PM
I still say, as I have always said..that Terri Horman is dirty in all of this.  If Ms Horman was innocent she would have been ready for the custody trial, the divorce trial and now this civil case..by ready I mean chumping at the bit to have her version, her innocence proclaimed in a court of law.  But instead she has chosen to remain silent, and no longer has a husband, daughter ..nor anyone with a shred of common sense's belief that she did not participate in some way in Kyron's dissappearance.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on August 04, 2012, 01:30:25 AM
I did notice that James was going into the military in August - meant to point that out...sorry.

At first I wondered if it was a legal tactic...but upon further thought I don't think so now.  It's a big step...for his future...and I'm sure he's spend many months making up his mind on this issue.  I think it will be good for him to get away and get his mind on other things...get some good training - and possibly college after the military.  Terri and her parents all have good educations and I would think they would inspire James.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on August 04, 2012, 01:31:04 AM
Video at link

http://www.kptv.com/story/19185419/kyron-hormans-mom-fights-delay-on-civil-suit

Kyron Horman's mom fights delay on civil suit
Posted: Aug 02, 2012 11:01 PM CDT
Updated: Aug 03, 2012 9:27 AM CDT

 ::snipping2::
The hearing to discuss Terri Horman's motion to delay that civil case is scheduled for Aug. 15.   
::snipping2::
 

That should be interesting...


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Jazzy on August 10, 2012, 10:03:22 PM
I did notice that James was going into the military in August - meant to point that out...sorry.

At first I wondered if it was a legal tactic...but upon further thought I don't think so now.  It's a big step...for his future...and I'm sure he's spend many months making up his mind on this issue.  I think it will be good for him to get away and get his mind on other things...get some good training - and possibly college after the military.  Terri and her parents all have good educations and I would think they would inspire James.

If Im not mistaken the military will make him go for the court hearing due to the military moto that they are totally honorable or suppose to be


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Sister on August 12, 2012, 11:23:57 AM
I still say, as I have always said..that Terri Horman is dirty in all of this.  If Ms Horman was innocent she would have been ready for the custody trial, the divorce trial and now this civil case..by ready I mean chumping at the bit to have her version, her innocence proclaimed in a court of law.  But instead she has chosen to remain silent, and no longer has a husband, daughter ..nor anyone with a shred of common sense's belief that she did not participate in some way in Kyron's dissappearance.


GypsyDD, I totally agree.  If I was innocent, I wouldn't want any delay in shouting it from the tallest building.  To be away from my daughter all this time . . . there is no way in h$ll I would tolerate that.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Amys Sister on August 12, 2012, 02:45:45 PM
I totally agree.

If there is evidence that Terri had anything to do with Kyron's disappearance should she get off because LE is hoping for an unlikely break in the case?  Waiting two more years will indeed have an ill effect on a civil trial perhaps to the complete detriment of any type of justice being served.

IMO Desiree should be allowed to have her voice and evidence heard in a court of law.  She is a victim.  Let's protect her rights, too.  If she's wrong, and her evidence is not strong enough then so be it, Terri's name will be cleared.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Amys Sister on August 15, 2012, 02:38:37 PM
Judge denies delay of Kyron Horman civil case .
kgw.com

Posted on August 15, 2012 at 7:31 AM

Updated today at 10:37 AM

http://www.kgw.com/news/Hearing-today-on-Kyron-civil-suit-delay-request-166253236.html

PORTLAND -- A judge has denied the motion by missing Portland boy Kyron Horman's stepmother to delay the civil lawsuit filed against her by the boy's mother.

Desiree Young, Kyron Horman's mother, filed the civil suit nearly two years after Kyron Horman went missing.

Terri Horman, the boy's stepmother and the subject of Young's suit, was the last person known to have seen Kyron. He was 7 when he disappeared June 4, 2010. The civil lawsuit accuses Horman of kidnapping Kyron, by herself or with help.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Amys Sister on August 15, 2012, 02:41:31 PM
Depositions can start as soon as tomorrow.

May God's light of truth shine down upon all actions related to this case.  May Lady Justice be fair and at the ready.

 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on August 15, 2012, 03:45:28 PM
Depositions can start as soon as tomorrow.

May God's light of truth shine down upon all actions related to this case.  May Lady Justice be fair and at the ready.

 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::




 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Jazzy on August 15, 2012, 04:53:34 PM
Maybe some of the answers will be forthcoming will be praying that someone will tell the truth about what happened etc


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on August 16, 2012, 03:21:43 AM
http://www.kptv.com/story/19282839/kyron-hormans-mom-seeks-to-avoid-lawsuit-delay

Judge allows lawsuit against Terri Horman to move forward
Aug 15, 2012

(snip)  The case will move forward on Thursday with the deposition of Terri Horman's teenage son James Moulton. (snip)


That Thursday is "tomorrow".


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on August 16, 2012, 02:59:35 PM
https://twitter.com/kyleiboshi

on-going tweets about this case


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Gypsy DD on August 16, 2012, 09:55:21 PM
I don't subscribe to or whatever do twitter..too old I guess.

Anywho..hoping those that do will keep us upto date on this. 

Poor James..I really wonder how much he knows..certainly if she was an alcoholic he would have seen evidence of that..unless he was already in bed when her drinking statrted.  And since he wasn't there since January of that year..he may not be albe to shed much light on Terri's demeanor after that point..meaning according to reports she sent him to his father..not the other way arround in January.

I see that she was hitting a breaking point..and being an alcoholic she possibly never had a real parenting bond with the younger two..

I think she knows what happened and helped along what happened..but I don't think James can shed much light on the situation..by that time he was removed to his Dad, at her request, I think that's when her life was starting to snowball.  And I do think she was involved in drugs and sex,as well as being an alcoholic and not your everday variety much more indepth and harsher..that's why their was not such a leap for her to imagine hiring someone she could seduce to murder her husband.  I think she was way over the edge of normal behavior and found like friends in drugs and sex..she certainly didn't waste anytime in her sexting once her daughter was taken from her..she was already on to her next conquest...bipolar is what I am imaging with other issues..that manifested in her trying to rid herself of her husband and step son to pursue her dark side..and if she lost her daughter so be it..we have seen no recourse from her to try to regain custody.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: melisb on August 17, 2012, 08:41:56 AM
At the age of 45 I am growing quite fond of Twitter!  In my youth there was only arcade games and the beginning gaming and home computers, very beginning so I have missed out on lots.  Most of you know I'm still computer stupid but Twitter is a little easy to look at but I haven't Tweeted!  Just spectating as usual!  For those that don't have Twitter, here ya go but remember to read from bottom to top!

https://twitter.com/KyleIboshi

Kyle Iboshi ‏@KyleIboshi
Kaine Horman: "It's significantly strengthened their belief that she had involvement in the situation."
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15 Aug Kyle Iboshi ‏@KyleIboshi
Just released court transcripts from June hearing: Father of Kyron Horman says police have growing evidence against Terri Horman.
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15 Aug Kyle Iboshi ‏@KyleIboshi
Judge Henry Kantor has denied motion to delay Horman civil case. Suit will move forward with some restrictions
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15 Aug Kyle Iboshi ‏@KyleIboshi
Judge Kantor: "There is no case like this"
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15 Aug Kyle Iboshi ‏@KyleIboshi
Judge Kantor says DA's office was asked if they wanted to participate in Horman civil hearing. "They weren't going to take a position"
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15 Aug Kyle Iboshi ‏@KyleIboshi
Attorney for Terri Horman: "This is an active investigation, with a laser pointed at my client."
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15 Aug Kyle Iboshi ‏@KyleIboshi
Desiree Young's lawyer argues even if Terri Horman takes the 5th, declines to testify, the civil suit can still move forward
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15 Aug Kyle Iboshi ‏@KyleIboshi
Desiree Young's lawyer argues civil case should move forward since no indictment has been returned 2+ years after Kyron's disappearance
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15 Aug Kyle Iboshi ‏@KyleIboshi
Terri Horman's lawyer arguing against civil suit: "Anything she says, exculpatory or not can be used by prosecution…"
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15 Aug Kyle Iboshi ‏@KyleIboshi
Judge Kantor is actively engaging Terri Horman's civil lawyer with a series of questions during his oral arguments
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Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: melisb on August 17, 2012, 08:45:00 AM
Here is more:

https://twitter.com/KyleIboshi

Kyle Iboshi ‏@KyleIboshi
Terri Horman civil lawyer: "This case can impede that on-going investigation."
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15 Aug Kyle Iboshi ‏@KyleIboshi
Terri Horman's civil lawyer Peter Bunch: "This is an active investigation." Says interviews are being conducted in California and elsewhere
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15 Aug Kyle Iboshi ‏@KyleIboshi
Terri Horman's lawyer argues civil suit cannot move forward while there's on-going criminal investigation into Kyron's disappearance.
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15 Aug Kyle Iboshi ‏@KyleIboshi
Judge Henry Kantor just entered courtroom. Hearing in session.
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15 Aug Kyle Iboshi ‏@KyleIboshi
Hearing is expected to last 30 minutes. Desiree Young wants civil suit to move forward. Terri Horman wants civil suit delayed for two years.
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15 Aug Kyle Iboshi ‏@KyleIboshi
Kyron Horman's mother Desiree Young is seated next to her civil attorney Elden Rosenthal in court. Waiting for hearing to begin at 9:30
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15 Aug Kyle Iboshi ‏@KyleIboshi
Mother of Kyron Horman, Desiree Young is attending today's hearing to determine whether civil lawsuit should move forward or be delayed
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15 Aug Kyle Iboshi ‏@KyleIboshi
Terri Horman's civil attorney, Peter Bunch in courtroom. So is Kaine Horman's divorce lawyer Laura Rackner.
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Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: can on August 17, 2012, 08:14:29 PM
thanks melisb.

Kyron is not forgotten .   ::MonkeyAngel::  ::FlyingFrog:: ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on August 17, 2012, 09:21:16 PM
thanks melisb.

Kyron is not forgotten .   ::MonkeyAngel::  ::FlyingFrog:: ::justice2NJ::

 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: nicubird on August 21, 2012, 07:34:15 PM
Judge calls Terri Horman 'suspect,' rules civil suit can continue

Published: Aug 21, 2012 at 3:48 PM PDT Last Updated: Aug 21, 2012 at 4:12 PM PDT

http://www.katu.com/news/local/Judge-in-civil-case-writes-Terri-Horman-is-suspect-in-Kyron-case-166965376.html

 A judge in the civil case against Terri Horman, the step-mother of missing boy Kyron Horman, issued an opinion on Tuesday in which he called Terri a “prime suspect” in the boy’s disappearance.

The opinion was issued as part of an ongoing civil case filed by Desiree Young, Kyron’s biological mother, accusing Terri of kidnapping Kyron and “intentionally interfering with [Young’s] parental rights.

The judge ruled the lawsuit can continue, although Terri Horman herself doesn't immediately have to answer any questions.

The civil suit and new opinion are separate from any criminal case. So far, police and prosecutors have not named a formal suspect in the two-year-old case.

This is, however, the first time anybody in the legal system has officially called Terri Horman a “suspect.”
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Amys Sister on August 21, 2012, 08:58:33 PM
Kantor's ruling was brilliant, addressing every angle, even Meisenheimer's earlier ruled abatement.  He deftly outlined where he expected the suit to go and why giving both sides 'rules of engagement' so to speak, and protecting the rights of both parties equally.

I'm fairly certain it was Terri's own attorney who labled her as the prime suspect and Kantor only mirrored that in his opinion.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on August 28, 2012, 04:30:31 AM
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Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on August 28, 2012, 04:37:22 AM
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Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on August 30, 2012, 02:19:54 AM
http://www.katu.com/news/local/Americas-Most-Wanted-comes-to-town-to-feature-Kyron-Horman-167927125.html

America's Most Wanted comes to town, will feature Kyron again
Aug. 29, 2012

PORTLAND, Ore. - Kyron Horman's face will once again be shown on national television.
 
America's Most Wanted was in town for a few days this week doing some shooting for an upcoming feature on the boy's disappearance.
 
Crews arrived on Monday and left Wednesday after filming at several locations, including the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office. The episode will air sometime next month.  (snip)
 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on August 30, 2012, 03:02:38 AM

https://www.facebook.com/johnwalshofficial


(a picture of John Walsh interviewing Kaine Horman at the link)

John Walsh (Official)

7 hours ago near Portland, OR.

Interviewing this passionate father whose son is missing. Watch AMW on Friday nights on Lifetime.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: melisb on September 03, 2012, 07:34:30 PM
Kaine speaking on JVM right now and he finally said he thinks TH took little Ky from school and did something to him herself OR she took him from school and handed him off.  Can't get link because I'm on a cheap tablet but transcript will be ready tonight or in am and will post for you.  Said case not cold and he actually seemed warm and approachable in this interview.  Poor little Kyron!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on September 03, 2012, 08:01:54 PM
Kaine speaking on JVM right now and he finally said he thinks TH took little Ky from school and did something to him herself OR she took him from school and handed him off.  Can't get link because I'm on a cheap tablet but transcript will be ready tonight or in am and will post for you.  Said case not cold and he actually seemed warm and approachable in this interview.  Poor little Kyron!

This is the link but we will have to wait until tomorrow for the transcript.

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2012/08/30/father-missing-kyron-horman-speaks-out (http://www.hlntv.com/video/2012/08/30/father-missing-kyron-horman-speaks-out)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: melisb on September 04, 2012, 08:51:58 AM
Thank you Sassi!  My wittle boy (15) does some virtual classes in add to his reg school hours so I get to use the "not so good tablet" but I can read and post a bit.  Better than nothing.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on September 04, 2012, 09:04:19 AM


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1209/03/ijvm.01.html


JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL

Stepmom `Prime Suspect` in Kyron`s Disappearance

Aired September 3, 2012 - 19:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL starts next. Stay with us.

JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST: Tonight, strong words from a judge involved in the case of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman. For the very first time a judge is calling Kyron`s stepmom, Terri Horman, quote, "prime suspect."

Tonight I will speak with Kyron`s father, Kaine Horman, and get his reaction to this latest development. Plus, we`ll find out where the search stands for this adorable little boy who`s been missing for more than two years. Where is young Kyron?

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
 
VELEZ-MITCHELL (voice-over): Tonight, is there finally a break in the hunt for missing little boy Kyron Horman? And who did a civil judge name as, quote, "the prime suspect" in the child`s disappearance? In an exclusive interview, I`ll talk to Kyron`s dad about what he thinks happened to his precious son.

And it`s like straight out of a soap opera. The man accused of faking his own drowning is now turning the tables and blaming his own son. Were they in cahoots to cash in on a life insurance policy, or is the son just the victim of the dad`s alleged scheme? And why did the soon-to-be ex-wife have husband Raymond Roth thrown in jail? I`ll talk to the lawyers on all sides tonight.

Plus, "JVM`s Most Wanted" tackles a brutal and unsolved murder. A woman known as the other Laci, gunned down in her car, and her killer still on the loose. I`ll talk to the desperate mother about the hunt to find her daughter`s murderers.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The 7-year-old disappeared from his school science fair.

DESIREE YOUNG, KYRON`S MOTHER: Kyron is still alive.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Terri Horman, his stepmother, the last person known to seen him, told police they attended the Skyline School science fair.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When he walked by the hallway, I`m like, "Hi, Kyron."

He`s like, "Hi, I`m going to see this cool electric one."

I`m like, "All right, bye." And that was the last time I saw him. He never did make it back to class.

YOUNG: Please do not be afraid, because the police are going to find you.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Terri Horman`s cell phone records indicate she was not where she said she was on the day the 7-year-old went missing.

YOUNG: We implore Terri Horman to fully cooperate with the investigators to bring Kyron home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Terri Horman has refused to answer investigators` questions, and she`s been evasive on a polygraph.

YOUNG: I`ve known her a long time. I know she`s lying.

(END VIDEOTAPE)
 
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight a new development in the ongoing search for 7-year-old Kyron Horman, who vanished from his elementary school more than two years ago, a case that garnered national attention.

For the first time in legal documents, somebody is now calling Kyron`s stepmother, Terri Horman, a prime suspect in little Kyron`s disappearance, and tonight in an exclusive interview, I will get reaction from none other than Kyron`s father, Kaine Horman.

This very sad saga, this mystery, began June 4, 2010, when little Kyron vanished from the school science fair. Kyron`s stepmom, Terri Horman, had brought Kyron to school that day, but the little boy never made it to class somehow. Kyron`s parents never knew anything was wrong until Kyron didn`t come home on the school bus that afternoon.

At first Kyron`s parents, who were divorced and both remarried, appeared to be united in their search for Kyron, standing side by side at the news conference. But that would be the only time they would appear together. And now it`s come to this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
 
YOUNG: I believe that Terri Horman knows where Kyron is. I believe that Terri Horman is responsible for where my son is.

(END VIDEO CLIP)
 
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Kyron`s biological parents both believe that Terri Horman had something to do with their son`s disappearance, although she has never been charged.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
 
KAINE HORMAN, KYRON`S FATHER: I believe that there`s some form of involvement. I don`t know to what level. It could be directly involved. And she`s responsible and she acted alone that day, or someone else is involved, either with her or even maybe potentially without her in light of something not breaking, coming forward quickly. This is going to be a marathon, not a sprint. This could go on for two, three, four years, potentially, without closure.

(END VIDEO CLIP)
 
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Cops gave Terri Horman two polygraphs. They searched the house and her vehicle, and they told the public they doubted that this was a stranger abduction.

Then court documents revealed Terri was allegedly plotting to kill her husband Kaine Horman with a gardener she`d been sexting with while young Kyron was missing.

Throughout all the saga, one thing remained constant: Terri Horman never spoke out about Kyron`s disappearance. She never defended herself even. So where does the investigation stand now?

I`m joined by my very special guest, Kaine Horman, Kyron`s father.

Kaine, I know you`ve never stopped searching for your son. My heart goes out to you. What you have endured defies description. First of all, what do you make of this judge in the civil suit filed by your ex-wife, Desiree, against Terri, calling her a prime suspect? Do you think it changes the dynamic here?

HORMAN: I don`t think it changes it at all. I think it`s probably just a language thing. Probably more of an overreaction or, we`ll say, reading into records that are just indicating things that I think we all already know.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: How have you held up over these last couple of years? This was a saga that captured the entire nation. Everybody identified with your pain and wanted to find out what happened to little Kyron. We covered it repeatedly. And then it seemed like the case just went cold. What have these two years been like for you, Kaine?

HORMAN: Well, I`d say just from, I guess, the inside, looking -- you know, looking out, is -- the case has been far from cold. It`s been extremely busy. The investigators have been extremely active in following up with leads and tips that continue to come in, even over two years later. They haven`t given up. There`s been just a tremendous number of projects that they`ve worked on.

I think the difficulty is without the information leading us directly to where Kyron is, it`s more of a process of elimination than just going straight down the one path that leads to where he`s at. So for us it`s been, you know, it`s been a long two years, but it`s been a very fast two years. We`ve stayed very busy with projects and other things, like attending events in the different communities around the state and up and down the West Coast trying to keep involvement with the case, keep his name active as possible, in standing up with all of our fellow -- everyone in the communities that are supporting him and together just trying to keep this thing going and not letting it go.

And I think it`s been not just in our state or the West Coast but across the U.S. there`s communities all over who just don`t want to let this go. They want to see resolution just as badly as we do.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Kaine, let me -- let me jump in, because I know you`re working very hard. But from the outside it seems like, well, there was a grand jury. There was all of this sort of anticipation that something was going to break, and then nothing did break that has been publicly revealed. Let`s recap and review what happened the day your son vanished. And then we`re going to talk about why you feel that progress has been made. Because from the outside we can`t see it, and we want to bridge that gap.

Kyron vanished from his school science fair on June 4, 2010. His stepmother, Terri Horman -- she`s got the red hair -- took him to school that day, and it wasn`t long before Kyron`s parents, biological parents, realized they didn`t know if Terri left him at the school or not. Listen to this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
 
YOUNG: We know for sure that Terri dropped him off. That`s what we know for sure.
 
(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK. Those are Kyron`s biological parents.

So here`s how the day unfolded. Stepmom Terri Horman reportedly left the school at 8:45 a.m.

At 9 a.m., Kyron is seen by another student.

At 1:21 p.m., Terri posts photos of Kyron on Facebook.

And then at 3:30 p.m., Kaine and Terri Horman meet at the school bus, but Kyron is not on it.

Now, we called and e-mailed Terri Horman`s attorney, but we never heard back.

So to go through that day, Kaine, you`re the father of this missing boy. We know that there were searches of a nearby island; saw the island. We know that there was a grand jury where a whole bunch of people, including a friend of Terri Horman`s, appeared. They were -- they were questioned. How come you`re saying there`s progress when we can`t see it from the outside? Is there any lead?

HORMAN: Well, again, it`s tough to answer. It`s all about -- it`s all part of an ongoing criminal investigation, and the details really are things that we can`t talk about. The investigators, while they`re looking for Kyron, it`s either a direct path there or it`s a process of elimination to get there. And like I said, without the person knowing where he`s at coming forward with that information, it`s extremely difficult to locate where he is.

So they`ve been working leads and tips. They continue to do that, and they`re trying to rule out other people at the school that day, other scenarios that could have played out that afternoon and really get down to what`s...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Do you -- can I jump in? I just want to jump in. We`re looking at pictures of Terri with the red hair and your son. Do you believe that Terri Horman, your estranged wife -- and we`re going to talk about your divorce proceedings in a moment -- is responsible for your son`s disappearance? He disappeared on her watch, so to speak.

HORMAN: Yes, I do. I do believe that she`s involved with his disappearance. Even more so now than we did in the beginning.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, what do you think happened? What do you think happened? I mean, she was back at the house with you in the afternoon when your son didn`t get off the school bus. There`s only a narrow window of time there. What do you believe happened?

HORMAN: It`s either one of two things. And until they give us information, it`s hard to say. But either she took him from the school that day and did something with him or she took him from school and handed him off to somebody else. And until we -- until the criminal investigation determines what happened, we`re not really at liberty to say which way we`re leaning toward in the investigation at this time.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: More on the other side.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
 
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
 
YOUNG: The time has come for Terri to take responsibility for what she has done and to tell me and my family where Kyron is and how he got there.
 
(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Breaking news: Kyron Horman`s biological mother -- you just heard from her -- Desiree Young, has filed a civil lawsuit against Terri Horman. Terri Horman`s attorneys asked for the lawsuit to be delayed. The judge denied that request. Once again, the judge called Terri a prime suspect in the disappearance of Kyron in the court paperwork. Authorities have never said that, and she hasn`t been charged with any crime.

I want to go to Debra Opri, a criminal defense attorney out of Los Angeles. Essentially, this lawsuit filed by the biological mother of Kyron, says the judge should order the stepmother to either return Kyron or, if he is deceased, say where his remains are located. It seems unusual for a civil case to make that kind of demand. What can you tell us about that?

DEBRA OPRI, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, this is a civil litigation. It is detached and separate from different burdens and standards from the civil -- criminal investigation.

I don`t find it unreasonable or outrageous that the judge would say, "Here`s the foundation of what`s going into this case. I`m ordering you to return this child or tell us where you know he is."

The reason he`s doing that is he`s basically giving her an order. And if she does not satisfy that order and she ignores it, which she probably will, and later on the child is found, and there is a criminal investigation that shows she had something to do with it, she`s now in contempt of court on the civil action.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Here are some very bizarre things. We learned in the days following little Kyron`s disappearance that stepmom Terri Horman was a former body-building contestant and that she was allegedly telling people at her gym that she was angry at her husband, Kaine, because he supposedly wanted Terri`s teenage son to move out of the house, and that Terri Horman was reportedly sexting with a gardener while Kyron was missing.

An unsealed restraining order revealed that Kaine was told by investigators that his wife, Terri, had actually plotted, allegedly, to kill him, and that she had allegedly offered the gardener she was sexting with a lot of money to kill Kaine.

So I want to go back to Kaine. This is the woman you were married to and that you had a child with, another child. Not -- not Kyron. Did you ever get a sense that there was other side to Terri Horman? Like you`re living with this stranger who has this dark side?

HORMAN: No. Not at all. No.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, how is that possible? I mean, that somebody could be so different, allegedly, trying to get you killed, murdered, allegedly telling everyone that she`s furious that you wanted the -- her teenage son to move out of the house? This is prior to your son`s disappearance. Do you think that could have had anything to do with it? In other words, sort of tit for tat: "Oh, you want my son to move out, therefore -- I`m going to get back at you"?

HORMAN: You know, I don`t know. That information is not correct. So I honestly don`t know how to respond to that. I think that that information was basically built up after the fact. There was never a request, nor did I ever ask for her son to leave the house. That was her choice and her decision based on their relationship.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I hope you understand I`m just exploring this, Kaine, not in any way to put you in an awkward position. These are aspects of the case that have been publicly reported that we`re trying to clear up so that we can understand.

You`re saying, if I understand you correctly, that you believe your son may still be alive and that you feel there are two possibilities, that -- if so, what would the motive be to allegedly hypothetically hand your son off to another individual?

HORMAN: The motive, I don`t know. I honestly can`t say. There`s not been enough information that would tell us what frame of mind she was in and why she conducted herself in the way that she did that day. That`s, I think, something that we`re all curious about at this point. I -- honestly, I don`t know. I really don`t know.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Where does it stand with your attempts to divorce Terri Horman?

HORMAN: Well, we started the process in late June of 2010. The filings and the responses basically carried over into November of 2010, where we did have hearings about moving forward with the case.

It was determined that we should abate the case, basically putting it on hold for a three-month period until January of 2011, at which time we had another hearing to talk about the best interests of all parties involved. A lot of the circumstances were talked about in the filing by the judge in the latest civil case that was filed yesterday.

And the points were reiterated in there as to why we evaded originally in the divorce proceeding, and we`ve been on hold ever since. That will come up, I believe, this November.
 
VELEZ-MITCHELL: More on the other side.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
 
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
 
YOUNG: There is someone out there that has him, and there is someone out there that knows information, and they have not come forward. I want that person to come forward.

(END VIDEO CLIP)
 
VELEZ-MITCHELL: These poor parents. Where is this precious young boy?

Let`s talk about the grand jury that was convened to look into Kyron`s disappearance. Now, the step-mom, Terri Horman, even her friends, at least one of them, were called before the grand jury. It`s not known what they said.

For example, one friend`s home was searched in the days following Kyron`s disappearance, because on that Friday afternoon that Kyron went missing, that friend reportedly left her job and couldn`t be reached for 90 minutes. That friend is not considered a suspect or a person of interest. But everybody even remotely connected to this case was put under the spotlight.

Bruce McCain, former captain of the county sheriff`s office there, can we get this down to plain English in turn terms of where this investigation stands and why is it that it is not a cold case? What are the possible leads here?

BRUCE MCCAIN, FORMER CAPTAIN OF MULTNOMAH COUNTY SHERIFF`S OFFICE (via phone): Well, Jane, what we`ve heard so far today from Kaine and everybody else, it`s really nothing new.

As far as the criminal investigation, there never has been an identifiable crime scene. We`ve talked about this over and over and over, which makes this case so frustrating for all in all.

Now what`s happening, you just mentioned the grand jury of two years ago. What`s going to happen in the civil case, Jane, is that Elden Rosenthal, the civil plaintiff`s lawyer, is going to start deposing some of these familiar names like DeDe Spicher. And they`re going to be put under oath to talk about everything they know.

And we all know that Terri Horman is never going to be deposed in the civil case. She`s got the right against self-incrimination. However, Jane, her words that she`s spoken to other people are going to come out. And while Kaine and Desiree, and the sheriff`s office, the D.A. and the public all have the same goal in mind, to find out what happened to Kyron, at some point the civil litigation is going to cross swords with the sheriff`s investigators and the P.A. over access to those criminal files and subpoena deputies into the courtroom.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Debra Opri...
 
MCCAIN: So there`s going to be a point where there`s going to be a collision. And that`s where it`s going to get quite interesting here in Multnomah county.
 
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Debra Opri, criminal defense attorney, usually we hear about, for example, a wrongful death trial after a criminal trial, like the O.J. Simpson case. This is happening before any criminal case, because there is no suspect.

OPRI: The state of Oregon is interesting. Unlike the federal courts in most of the states, when you assert your Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination, you cannot infer anything from your assertion of that constitutional right.

I agree and disagree with Mr. McCain on two levels. First, we have a civil action which you`re going to take depositions, but if they didn`t tell the police then, are they going to tell anybody now?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And I`ve got to give Kaine the last word. Our hearts go out to you. Ten seconds. What do you want to tell America?

HORMAN: That our son is still missing. We`re doing everything we can to find him. And the pressure continues to be on. And don`t give up. We`re going to -- we`re going to get this done. We`re going to find him.

And Kyron, we`re going to find you. We love you.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I pray that you are right. Thank you, Kaine Horman. Our hearts go out to you.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Amys Sister on September 05, 2012, 02:08:55 AM
 ::snipping2::

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, what do you think happened? What do you think happened? I mean, she was back at the house with you in the afternoon when your son didn`t get off the school bus. There`s only a narrow window of time there. What do you believe happened?

HORMAN: It`s either one of two things. And until they give us information, it`s hard to say. But either she took him from the school that day and did something with him or she took him from school and handed him off to somebody else. And until we -- until the criminal investigation determines what happened, we`re not really at liberty to say which way we`re leaning toward in the investigation at this time.

 ::snipping2::

It sounds like Kaine is saying Kyron definitely left with Terri that morning.  It's been theorized that Kyron left Skyline with an unknown male suspect but Kaine implies that is not a consideration.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: melisb on September 05, 2012, 09:07:31 AM
It's hard to believe she didn't take him from there but I still think she had someone lure him away, that she didn't drive away from Skyline with him.  Kaine says "we" but then says until "the criminal investigation determines what happened" maybe the "we" is just his and Desiree's theory.  I dunno, I just want this poor baby found!  Ya know, I really don't wanna think that this person that Ky lived with and supposedly loved him, lured him to the truck, immobilized him somehow and then either killed him, had him killed or passed him to some, God forbid, person to do evil things to him.  It's easier for me to think someone else did this.  I shouldn't fool myself I guess.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on September 07, 2012, 03:20:44 PM
http://blinkoncrime.com/category/kyron-horman/rudy-sanchez/

Kyron Horman Disappearance: Exclusive Three Part Series Debuts On Blink On Crime


(snip)
Part I:  Desiree Young V Terri Horman Case : The Little Engine That Could, Or Could Not?

Part II:  Sovereignty Is A Myth: Revelations About The Morning Kyron Disappeared

Part III:  The Big Muscle Theory- Does It Have Weight?

 

Part I publishes Monday September 10.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on September 09, 2012, 10:25:56 AM
Happy 10th birthday Kyron. I sure wish you were home with your momma.  ::MonkeyAngel::


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Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on September 09, 2012, 06:57:18 PM
Kyron's name is mentioned as well as that of Lori Blaylock.  I'm posting it on the outside chance it could be either one's remains.  But then again, it could be a person's remains that hasn't even been reported missing.  Very sad.

http://www.bendbulletin.com/article/20120905/NEWS0107/209050349/
Remains await identification
September 5, 2012

 ::snipping2::
According to Marion County Sheriff’s Office public information officer Don Thomson, the remains were found about a mile from the water in a remote hunting area.

Thomson said there are no missing people in his county, and pointed to high-profile missing persons cases like Kyron Horman, the 9-year-old Portland boy who disappeared in June 2010, and Lori “Woody" Blaylock, the Bend woman whose husband murdered her in November 2010 and dumped her body in the North Santiam River near Marion Forks.

According to a press release, hunters found the skeletal remains off state Highway 22, near Niagara Park. That’s more than 25 miles from Marion Forks.

The bones have been sent to the medical examiner’s office. Thomson cautioned the remains might never be identified.

“It all depends on what we’re able to determine, on how many bones we collect," he said.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: klaasend on September 09, 2012, 08:19:55 PM
Kyron's name is mentioned as well as that of Lori Blaylock.  I'm posting it on the outside chance it could be either one's remains.  But then again, it could be a person's remains that hasn't even been reported missing.  Very sad.

http://www.bendbulletin.com/article/20120905/NEWS0107/209050349/
Remains await identification
September 5, 2012

 ::snipping2::
According to Marion County Sheriff’s Office public information officer Don Thomson, the remains were found about a mile from the water in a remote hunting area.

Thomson said there are no missing people in his county, and pointed to high-profile missing persons cases like Kyron Horman, the 9-year-old Portland boy who disappeared in June 2010, and Lori “Woody" Blaylock, the Bend woman whose husband murdered her in November 2010 and dumped her body in the North Santiam River near Marion Forks.

According to a press release, hunters found the skeletal remains off state Highway 22, near Niagara Park. That’s more than 25 miles from Marion Forks.

The bones have been sent to the medical examiner’s office. Thomson cautioned the remains might never be identified.

“It all depends on what we’re able to determine, on how many bones we collect," he said.
 ::snipping2::

Thanks Muffy - remains found approximately 2 hours south of Portland:

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/NiagraParkOregon.jpg)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: can on September 09, 2012, 09:36:59 PM
Happy 10th birthday Kyron. I sure wish you were home with your momma.  ::MonkeyAngel::


(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/296623_484316471586842_583322241_n.jpg)


 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::FlyingFrog:: ::crymonkey2::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on September 09, 2012, 10:39:15 PM
Happy 10th birthday Kyron. I sure wish you were home with your momma.  ::MonkeyAngel::


(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/296623_484316471586842_583322241_n.jpg)


 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::FlyingFrog:: ::crymonkey2::


Just so you know, this is the cake that Desiree's sister, Kelly Ramirez made for Kyron's 8th birthday. When she made it they stated that it wouldn't be eaten until Kyron came home. It's still waiting for him to come home.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: grace-land on September 10, 2012, 12:48:30 PM
Happy Birthday, sweet Kyron!  :smt113

Video at link

http://www.kptv.com/story/19501445/kyron-hormans-10th-birthday-passes-as-dad

Kyron Horman's 10th birthday passes as dad presses on
Posted: Sep 10, 2012 9:35 AM CDT Updated: Sep 10, 2012 9:50 AM CDT

PORTLAND, OR (KPTV) -
Sunday marked the 10th birthday of missing child Kyron Horman, who vanished from Skyline School in northwest Portland in June 2010 and hasn't been seen since.

Kyron's father, Kaine Horman, spent Sunday manning a booth at the Sublimity Harvest Festival, selling shirts and buttons to keep the search for Kyron going and to raise awareness about the missing boy.

Kaine Horman said he would celebrate his son's birthday with a cake and some presents with Kyron's half-sister. They live their lives as if Kyron could walk through the door at any moment.

"We miss him tremendously, just like we do every day. I wish he could be here and I wish he could have been here for the past birthdays that he has missed so far. It's time that we're not going to get back that he shouldn't have to miss," Kaine Horman said.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: grace-land on September 10, 2012, 10:31:51 PM
http://www.nwcn.com/home/?fId=169240216&fPath=/news/local&fDomain=10202

Terri Horman adds Portland attorney to legal team
Posted on September 10, 2012 at 3:57 PM
Updated today at 7:10 PM

PORTLAND -- Kyron Horman's stepmother is adding a new face to her legal team; Attorney Mark Wagner will help defend Terri Horman in a civil lawsuit.
 
Wagner, from the Portland law firm Hart Wagner, specializes in civil defense work. According to his staff, Wagner was out of the country Monday and not available for comment.
 
Divorce attorney Peter Bunch and criminal defense lawyer Stephen Houze will also continue to represent Terri Horman.
 ::snipping2::
Kyron's father Kaine Horman confirms he has been called to testify in an upcoming deposition. No trial date has been set in the civil suit.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: klaasend on September 11, 2012, 07:14:45 PM
New Blink Post - Part I of the 3 part series:

Kyron Horman Disappearance Series Part I: Desiree Young V Terri Horman- Civil As An Oxymoron



http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/09/11/kyron-horman-disappearance-series-part-i-desiree-young-v-terri-horman-civil-as-an-oxymoron/


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: can on September 11, 2012, 07:43:49 PM
yipee...been waiting for it.  Thanks Klaas.  off to BOC  ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on September 11, 2012, 07:47:02 PM
yipee...been waiting for it.  Thanks Klaas.  off to BOC  ::MonkeyBike::

I'm headed that way too!!   ::MonkeyBikeYorkie::  ::bee::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on September 12, 2012, 04:36:25 AM
Thanks for the link to Blink's new blog entry...wow, what an entry.  I can't wait to read the forthcoming parts II and III.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: cw618 on September 29, 2012, 07:35:35 PM
this is prob not  kyron but, close to portland the remains were found 30 mile east of portland
in west Skamania County, Washougal, WA
http://goo.gl/maps/MNFqC
-------------------------
Human remains found in SW Wash. brush
 Reported by: KOIN Local 6 staff  Published: 9/28 11:59 am

Editor's note: KOIN has a crew investigating at the scene Friday.

PORTLAND, Ore. -- On Friday the Skamania County Sheriff's Office in southwest Washington released the following statement to KOIN Local 6:

"Human remains were located Sunday afternoon in western Skamania County off Turk Road.  A property owner was bulldozing brush and the remains were located.  A four day site investigation has concluded and the remains have been sent in for forensic work in an attempt to determine the identity and sex of the person. 

http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/local/story/Human-remains-found-in-SW-Wash-brush/P1Ft1zT7jE22QYu6o89GLw.cspx

map from article
http://www.koinlocal6.com/Map.aspx?content_id=d76d513f-fb34-4d8c-b641-8bbaa3cf462f&map=2c4f478e-8231-4c26-b90c-9b5b8e1b150c

(http://www.koinlocal6.com/media/lib/107/a/6/b/a6b4c871-184c-4614-b756-4a5d71257efb/Original.jpg)
(http://www.koinlocal6.com/media/lib/107/0/1/3/013b4c9f-2ebc-4a36-8db9-e33fc096799a/Original.jpg)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: cw618 on September 29, 2012, 07:36:59 PM
Human Remains Uncovered in Skamania County
Human Remains found in Skamania County
September 28, 2012
By: Emily McCarty
 ::snipping2::
A statement was released today by the Skamania County Sheriff's office in regards to human remains that were discovered near Turk Road in Skamania County.

Chief Criminal Deputy Pat Bond. “We still
have further investigation before we can finalize this case.”
  ::snipping2::
“We anticipate that we will have further information to release on this case within a week”
stated Undersheriff Dave Cox. “Those that were involved with the examination of the
brush covered scene did a miraculous job of recovering evidence that was crucial to this
case, and we are very thankful for their assistance,” he said
http://www.examiner.com/article/human-remains-uncovered-skamania-county


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: melisb on September 29, 2012, 08:56:14 PM
Thank you CW!  Area looks like where Morgan H. was found and even though I want Kyron to be alive I don't think he is.  I get a little different feeling from this article but I am probably wrong.  If he is not with us anymore....please let this be him!  If not, God Bless the family who will find closure finally.  How do you feel about the article?  I think I'm just hopeful that this poor little boy gets to go home.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: cw618 on September 30, 2012, 07:38:04 PM
Thank you CW!  Area looks like where Morgan H. was found and even though I want Kyron to be alive I don't think he is.  I get a little different feeling from this article but I am probably wrong.  If he is not with us anymore....please let this be him!  If not, God Bless the family who will find closure finally.  How do you feel about the article?  I think I'm just hopeful that this poor little boy gets to go home.

i dont understand why  Undersheriff Dave Cox ,or Chief Criminal Deputy Pat Bond
did not ID who,.... those....., are
it seems they would call, The Washington State Patrol Crime Scene Response Team (CSRT)
 
Quote
“Those that were involved with the examination of the brush-covered scene did a miraculous job of recovering
evidence that was crucial to this case, and we are very thankful for their assistance,” he said.
http://www.columbian.com/news/2012/sep/28/human-remains-found-skamania-county/

press release from Skamania County Sheriff's office,it reads like the news articles
http://skamaniasheriff.com/1424/press-release/human-remains-located-in-western-skamania-county/

CSRT Capabilities
http://www.wsp.wa.gov/crime/csrt.htm

i looked here and a gen search of the net, for who ....those...  might be/or consulted with
U.S. Law Enforcement Task Force and SWAT Unit Acronyms
http://www.accuracyproject.org/PoliceAcronyms-US.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: cw618 on September 30, 2012, 07:43:18 PM
i was curious how anyone could access the area,after looking at the Gmap,snooped around
the county gis  and found this info,where it looks like the land is belongs to GLW Ventures LLC
and boarders the Gifford Pinchot NF USDA
after looking at the gis and the topo maps,i searched the co. and found a dispute with the USDA.
if im reading this right it is a dispute with the ,United States Department of Agriculture, U.S. Forest Service
over and about the Conservation Easement Deed,under the Columbia River Gorge Act
 i just skimmed you will want/need to read it for yourself
if you google GLW Ventures LLC,they seem to be all over the country,at least i think it is the same
co.listed in the G search,could be a few co. with same name

a view of the gis plot can be viewed here
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/VcYpNtpp3HvV0SHwWHPQCMxqU01Et13TvFB2EJGBpjromj50qP-pA-_Ih9T2tqh-kOSrlVWzMp9XWL4JbKcgHFwiGmdkkHP64r0gm2NEvMYmFksWd-9s

found this about the GLW Ventures LLC , i got the co. name from the gis site
http://dockets.justia.com/docket/washington/wawdce/3:2012cv05140/182183/
pdf info
Case Information
Case:
GLW Ventures, LLC. v. United States Department of Agriculture, U.S. Forest Service et al
State:
Washington
Court:
Western District Court
Judge:
Ronald B. Leighton
Type:
Real Property: Other
Filing:
25
Filed:
September 26, 2012
Retrieved:
September 27, 2012
http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/washington/wawdce/3:2012cv05140/182183/25/

dirs below to work the gis
http://www.skamaniacounty.org/assessor/assessor/mapsifter/

under legend
check mark
sections
roads
label owner
parcels
aerials
in search search this
72 Sharleen Rd

on this topo you can see where the Gifford Pinchot NF
meets what looks like the mgs i posted b4
http://tinyurl.com/8uj6s64

Gmap of area
http://goo.gl/maps/NuXUA


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: melisb on October 02, 2012, 09:48:48 AM
Thanks Cw, my uneducated guesses would be...1.  this county seems mostly rurual and probably didn't even consider that this case could be part of a bigger case or even to call out the bigger guns and 2. good ol' boys network could have called (kyron's team to Skamania Co.)and said "is this a child and do you need us to come out' and they could have said 'no' and 3. maybe something big is going on because it was evident it was a child but didn't want anyone to get hopes up.  I know, I could read one word 5 million different ways, lol!  Just hoping for an end to the suffering for all who love Kyron. 

Cw, I know none of my business but are you an engineer?  No specifics needed just admire how good you are with the reading of and explaining maps/diagram, etc.!  Your skill is mucho appreciated and admired!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Sister on October 04, 2012, 10:42:48 AM
Thanks Cw, my uneducated guesses would be...1.  this county seems mostly rurual and probably didn't even consider that this case could be part of a bigger case or even to call out the bigger guns and 2. good ol' boys network could have called (kyron's team to Skamania Co.)and said "is this a child and do you need us to come out' and they could have said 'no' and 3. maybe something big is going on because it was evident it was a child but didn't want anyone to get hopes up.  I know, I could read one word 5 million different ways, lol!  Just hoping for an end to the suffering for all who love Kyron. 

Cw, I know none of my business but are you an engineer?  No specifics needed just admire how good you are with the reading of and explaining maps/diagram, etc.!  Your skill is mucho appreciated and admired!
::rhino::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: cw618 on October 05, 2012, 01:22:18 PM
no not an engineer, i just like mapping, i know it helps to see where it is ,that the media
are talking about sometimes,happy to do it, your welcome

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2012/10/human_remains_found_near_washo.html

Human remains found near Washougal identified as man missing since 1980
Published: Thursday, October 04, 2012, 4:19 PM     Updated: Thursday, October 04, 2012, 4:27 PM
 ::snipping2::
Remains found by a property owner clearing brush near Washougal, Wash., are that of a 39-year-old man missing since 1980 who lived about a half-mile away.

Kenneth P. Stovner had been reported missing in April 1980 from his home on Belle Center Road, Skamania County Undersheriff Dave Cox said in a news release. An intense search at the time found no trace of him, Cox said.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: cw618 on October 05, 2012, 01:33:10 PM
found an older vid about the remains found and one of the investigating counties
was Multnomah County,Oregon
nice to know the Multnomah County LE are still looking, even though it didnt
say it was kyron, they were investigating at that scene,id like to think kyron
was part of why they were there

Reported by: Faris Tanyos
Published: 9/28 5:18 pm
http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/local/story/Human-remains-found-on-property-east-of-Washougal/CMjPymolN0Spnauw1ckyVg.cspx


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: melisb on October 06, 2012, 01:37:40 AM
I just don't know what I would do if my loved one disappeared and I never knew what happened. The unknown scares me bad!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 06, 2012, 07:43:58 AM
I just don't know what I would do if my loved one disappeared and I never knew what happened. The unknown scares me bad!

I know exactly what you mean melisb.  I've tried to put myself in others shoes in that regard, and I just can't begin to imagine.  Everyone minute of the day, every hour, and for some not only day after day, but year after year.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Sister on October 08, 2012, 09:37:14 PM
no not an engineer, i just like mapping, i know it helps to see where it is ,that the media
are talking about sometimes,happy to do it, your welcome

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2012/10/human_remains_found_near_washo.html

Human remains found near Washougal identified as man missing since 1980
Published: Thursday, October 04, 2012, 4:19 PM     Updated: Thursday, October 04, 2012, 4:27 PM
 ::snipping2::
Remains found by a property owner clearing brush near Washougal, Wash., are that of a 39-year-old man missing since 1980 who lived about a half-mile away.

Kenneth P. Stovner had been reported missing in April 1980 from his home on Belle Center Road, Skamania County Undersheriff Dave Cox said in a news release. An intense search at the time found no trace of him, Cox said.
Hope this bring some peace to his family.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on October 23, 2012, 01:45:40 PM
http://mobile.oregonlive.com/advorg/db_/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=1cs0A1jO&full=true#display (http://mobile.oregonlive.com/advorg/db_/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=1cs0A1jO&full=true#display)


Terri Horman's friend DeDe Spicher declines to answer any questions about Terri Horman in deposition
Maxine Bernstein, The Oregonian
Posted:  10/23/2012 10:00 AM



Desiree Young's lawyer has filed a motion asking a judge to compel DeDe Spicher, a friend of Terri Moulton Horman, to answer his questions after she refused to answer 142 questions during a deposition he took earlier this month stemming from Young's civil lawsuit against Horman.

Multnomah County sheriff's investigators looking into the disappearance of Kyron Horman, a second-grader who went missing from Skyline School on June 4, 2010, were interested in the whereabouts of Spicher on that day.

Spicher refused to answer any questions posed by Young's lawyers on Oct. 5 that involved Terri Horman, Kyron's stepmom, or Kyron -- each time asserting her Fifth Amendment constitutional right not to incriminate herself.

Spicher also refused to answer questions about where she was on June 4, 2010.

"Are you aware that Kyron Horman has disappeared?" asked Young's lawyer, Elden Rosenthal.

"I'm asserting my Fifth Amendment right," Spicher replied,  according to a transcript filed in Multnomah County Circuit Court.


Spicher even declined to identify a photo of Terri Horman, or whether she knew Terri Horman's husband, Kaine Horman , Young, or had ever met Kyron.

Young's lawyer, Elden Rosenthal, asked Spicher about her relationship with Terri Horman, including when she met her, if they ever worked out at the same gym together, if she moved into the Horman home after Kyron disappeared, and whether Terri Horman ever spoke to her about her relationship with Terri's husband or sons, Kyron and James Moulton.

In his motion filed in Multnomah County Circuit Court Monday, Rosenthal asks the court to compel Spicher to answer his questions. Rosenthal argued that the Fifth Amendment provides that "no person...shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself..."

"Plaintiff believes that Ms. Spicher has inappropriately sought the protection of the privilege against self-incrimination," Rosenthal wrote. "The privilege is personal; it cannot be used to protect another person...Otherwise, the privilege could be used as a shield to protect a witness' friends, and to deny a civil litigant probative evidence."

Young's civil lawsuit accuses Terri Horman of kidnapping Kyron and asks a judge to compel her to bring him back, or divulge where his body was taken. The suit seeks $10 million in damages, with the option to seek additional punitive damages, and was filed three days before the two-year anniversary of Kyron's disappearance.

Two years ago, Multnomah County investigators searched Spicher's Tualatin condo, the garden property on Northwest Old Germantown Road where Spicher was working that day and her aunt's address as they sought to determine Spicher's movements.

In 2010, investigators also put out a flier with Spicher's photos on it, asking if anyone noticed her or Terri Horman between 9:45 a.m. and 1 p.m. on June 4, 2010.

On June 4, 2010, Spicher was doing gardening work for a homeowner in the Northwest section of Portland, and abruptly left about 11:30 a.m., when the homeowner and another person working at the home were ready to sit down for lunch. The homeowner tried calling Spicher on her cell phone, but got no answer, and Spicher returned to the house about an hour to 90 minutes later, detectives were told.

Spicher asserted her Fifth Amendment right when asked in the deposition about her actions that day.

No one has been charged in Kyron's disappearance and he has not been located.

Spicher did tell Young's lawyers during her deposition that she moved to her parent's house in Klamath Falls in September 2010 after losing a job. She said she now works for Skylakes Klamath Medical Clinic, helping coordinate patients' referrals to specialists.

Also in her deposition, Spicher said she had been doing a gardening internship for a woman in Northwest Portland in 2010. She identified the man she last was in a relationship with, and even gave her changing weight from the time she ran a marathon in 2008 to her current weight.

 
But Spicher declined to say whether or not she was paid for the work she did on June 4, 2010 at the garden property on Northwest Old Germantown Road home. She did say that she was receiving unemployment benefits at the time.

Rosenthal pointed out that Spicher, who gave an interview to People Magazine for a story that ran Aug. 17, 2010, also wouldn't answer any questions regarding direct quotations from the People interview, or whether she got paid for the interview.

Some of Rosenthal's questions were more probing and personal. He asked Spicher whether or not Terri Horman used steroids, whether or not Terri Horman ever had sex with Kaine Horman's friend Michael Cook who spent time at the Horman house after Kyron disappeared, and if Spicher is bisexual.

Each time, Spicher asserted her Fifth Amendment right, declining to answer..


On June 4, 2010, Terri Horman had driven Kyron to school for a science fair. She told authorities that she last saw him walking down the hall toward his classroom about 8:45 a.m. Kyron never made it there, but he wasn't reported missing until the afternoon, after his father, Kaine Horman, and Terri Horman discovered he wasn't aboard the school bus returning home.

Peter Bunch, Terri Horman's attorney, has characterized the goal of Young's lawsuit as an "end run" by Young and police to obtain information they couldn't get through the criminal inquiry into Kyron's disappearance.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: cw618 on October 23, 2012, 02:22:26 PM
TY for the update sassifrass

i thought at one time there were pics of dede with the hormans,and she had said
she didnt know kaine or kyron well

 ::snipping2::
Spicher even declined to identify a photo of Terri Horman, or whether she knew Terri Horman's husband, Kaine Horman , Young, or had ever met Kyron.
http://mobile.oregonlive.com/advorg/db_/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=1cs0A1jO&full=true#display


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on October 23, 2012, 02:29:57 PM
TY for the update sassifrass

i thought at one time there were pics of dede with the hormans,and she had said
she didnt know kaine or kyron well

 ::snipping2::
Spicher even declined to identify a photo of Terri Horman, or whether she knew Terri Horman's husband, Kaine Horman , Young, or had ever met Kyron.
http://mobile.oregonlive.com/advorg/db_/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=1cs0A1jO&full=true#display

You're very welcome.  ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on October 23, 2012, 02:31:52 PM
The indexed deposition with Dede.  ::MonkeyEek::

http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/DeDe.PDF (http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/DeDe.PDF)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: seahorse on October 23, 2012, 02:47:32 PM


http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/10/terri_hormans_friend_dede_spic.html

Comment by a BGinOR:
October 23, 2012

"Spicher refused to answer any questions posed by Young's lawyers on Oct. 5 that involved Terri Horman, Kyron's stepmom, or Kyron -- each time asserting her Fifth Amendment constitutional right not to incriminate herself. 
 
Spicher also refused to answer questions about where she was on June 4, 2010."
 
She may as well have said she knows where Kyron is but won't tell. 
 
WHERE IS KYRON TERRI MOULTON AND DEDE SPICHER??????

 
58 Minutes Ago


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Amys Sister on October 23, 2012, 04:02:51 PM
The indexed deposition with Dede.  ::MonkeyEek::

http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/DeDe.PDF (http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/DeDe.PDF)

Hi Sassi   ::HelloKitty::

The link isn't working and I'm very curious about it. 

Thank you for keeping us updated.  I can't say I'm surprised and I do not believe Dede would go this length for Terri which suggests to me she, Dede, was in some way involved.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on October 23, 2012, 04:12:45 PM
The indexed deposition with Dede.  ::MonkeyEek::

http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/DeDe.PDF (http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/DeDe.PDF)

Hi Sassi   ::HelloKitty::

The link isn't working and I'm very curious about it. 

Thank you for keeping us updated.  I can't say I'm surprised and I do not believe Dede would go this length for Terri which suggests to me she, Dede, was in some way involved.

Hold on, let me get that for you.   ::MonkeyTongue::

Go here, at the original news article. When you see the 142 questions in the first paragraph, it will be highlighted. Click on it and it will bring you to the PDF file of the deposition.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/10/terri_hormans_friend_dede_spic.html#incart_river_default (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/10/terri_hormans_friend_dede_spic.html#incart_river_default)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Amys Sister on October 23, 2012, 04:38:11 PM
I found it.  I'm on page 10 of 20.  Dear Lord.  The questions are telling... about what Desiree believes happened with her baby and about the flawed investigation.  LE did not subpoena or even ask for Dede's telephone or computer records even though she had unaccounted time that day.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on October 23, 2012, 04:41:52 PM
I found it.  I'm on page 10 of 20.  Dear Lord.  The questions are telling... about what Desiree believes happened with her baby and about the flawed investigation.  LE did not subpoena or even ask for Dede's telephone or computer records even though she had unaccounted time that day.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I know! How idiotic is that? WTH were they thinking, or rather not thinking of? This case has been screwed up from the very beginning. Shame on them.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Amys Sister on October 23, 2012, 04:59:03 PM
Others have suggested this case may be related to Terri Horman supplying steroids to members of LE.  Relatively shortly after Kyron disappeared some officers were accused of using steroids and were either arrested or lost their jobs. 

I have to reconsider the possibility.  Wouldn't it be horrendous if a member or members of LE were responsible for the disappearance of this little boy?

Sassi, remind me who the retired police officer is that we've all wondered about?  The owner of a houseboat, I believe.  Do you know?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on October 23, 2012, 05:39:19 PM
Others have suggested this case may be related to Terri Horman supplying steroids to members of LE.  Relatively shortly after Kyron disappeared some officers were accused of using steroids and were either arrested or lost their jobs. 

I have to reconsider the possibility.  Wouldn't it be horrendous if a member or members of LE were responsible for the disappearance of this little boy?

Sassi, remind me who the retired police officer is that we've all wondered about?  The owner of a houseboat, I believe.  Do you know?

Steve Harmon.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: seahorse on October 23, 2012, 05:56:38 PM
DDS, brother, was involved in construction, when KH disappeared, if my memory serves me correctly

I wonder if the child's remains are on a construction site?

Perhaps, DDS, is covering for more than one person?  This is all speculation on my part.  IMO


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Blink34 on October 23, 2012, 06:03:03 PM
I found it.  I'm on page 10 of 20.  Dear Lord.  The questions are telling... about what Desiree believes happened with her baby and about the flawed investigation.  LE did not subpoena or even ask for Dede's telephone or computer records even though she had unaccounted time that day.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I know! How idiotic is that? WTH were they thinking, or rather not thinking of? This case has been screwed up from the very beginning. Shame on them.

Just to clarify- DeDe has no way of knowing, unless it was shared with her and verifiable proof was presented, what records were or were not subpoened or gained by LE.  She responded to the question asked of her, which was if she had ever given LE permission to access, or if she turned them over, etc.

I do not believe for 10 seconds that LE does not have her cell records, and I believe they duped her hard drives on any electronics if they were included in the subpoena to search her residence.  Her online account access would also be transparent to LE review if LE had a subpoena for it as well.

I am on record to say that this was a botched investigation unfortunately, but facts are facts..


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: seahorse on October 23, 2012, 06:03:52 PM
I found it.  I'm on page 10 of 20.  Dear Lord.  The questions are telling... about what Desiree believes happened with her baby and about the flawed investigation.  LE did not subpoena or even ask for Dede's telephone or computer records even though she had unaccounted time that day.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I know! How idiotic is that? WTH were they thinking, or rather not thinking of? This case has been screwed up from the very beginning. Shame on them.

I now remember daddy was a member of a search team...for another case. 
He would have had connections and strings to pull, IMO. 
     
DDS knew she could get away with M, in my opinion.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 23, 2012, 06:41:38 PM
Flashback

Terri Moulton Horman, focus in stepson Kyron Horman's disappearance, shows for divorce hearing
Published: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 2:40 PM
Updated: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 2:57 PM


<snipped>

Kyron Horman has not been seen since the morning of June 4 when he attended a science fair at Skyline School. No arrests have been made. Terri Horman was the last known adult to have seen the boy.

While authorities have not named a suspect or person of interest, they remain intently focused on Kyron’s stepmother, trying to track her movements June 4, and that of her friend, DeDe Spicher, saying both were unaccounted for during a nearly three-hour overlapping period from about 10:15 a.m. to 1 p.m.

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_moulton_horman_appears_i.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 23, 2012, 06:43:47 PM
Flashback

New flier asks residents if they saw Horman, Spicher
Story Published: Aug 10, 2010 at 3:20 PM PST
Story Updated: Aug 10, 2010 at 10:15 PM PST


PORTLAND, Ore. - Investigators working on the Kyron Horman case released a new flier Tuesday that asks residents near Kyron's elementary school if they saw his stepmother, Terri Horman, and her close friend, DeDe Spicher the day he disappeared.

The two-page flier includes pictures of Horman, Spicher and the white pickup truck Horman was driving on June 4 the day Kyron vanished, and in it police ask residents if they saw the two or the pickup between the hours of 9:45 a.m. and 1 p.m. that day.

<snipped>

http://www.katu.com/news/local/100392859.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 23, 2012, 06:46:37 PM
Flashback

The family of Kyron Horman released this statement
Thursday evening, July 22, 2010


<snipped>

We have been briefed by law enforcement on the most recent developments in Kyron's case.

We have been informed that they have identified a person that has been in close communication with Terri Moulton Horman since Kyron went missing and her name is DeDe Spicher. She has not only been in close communication with Terri but has been providing Terri with support and advice that is not in the best interests of our son.

Additional information provided shows that she is refusing to cooperate with law enforcement, she is also going as far as to suggest to others that may have information regarding Kyron's disappearance, not to cooperate as well.

We implore DeDe Spicher to come forward and cooperate with the investigators in any way that they need in order to assist us in finding our son. We will state further that if we find out through the investigation that she caused a delay in us finding our son due to her lack of cooperation, we will pursue civil remedies in this matter.

We as a family cannot understand how anyone can look at Kyron's smiling face, having information and choose not to help bring him home. Please remember what this is about, it's about bringing a wonderful little boy back to his family.

Desiree, Kaine and Tony

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Kyrons-family-calls-on-friend-of-Terris-to-tell-what-she-knows-99076714.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: seahorse on October 23, 2012, 06:48:03 PM
Flashback :)  (Good idea, Janet)

After 3,300 leads, Kyron search comes back to Skyline

By Anita Kissée
KATU News and KATU.com
Staff Published: Jul 24, 2010 at 9:13 PM PDT
Last Updated: Jul 26, 2010 at 2:52 PM PDT

 ::snipping2::

Spicher's father, Don Spicher works for Klamath County - the same county that took the lead on the expanded search for Kyron. 

However, the sheriff there assures us Deputy Spicher is part time and only works summers for marine patrol, and had nothing at all to do with the search and rescue operation. Even so, "he has to be very careful that he's not walking the edge, helping his daughter potentially avoid apprehension or in anyway hinder this case," McCain said.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.katu.com/news/local/99180424.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 23, 2012, 06:48:29 PM
Flashback

DeDe Spicher?

Second person seen in truck while Terri at Kyron's school
Posted on August 10, 2010 at 11:55 AM
Updated Tuesday, Aug 10 at 12:10 PM


PORTLAND, Ore. -- KGW has learned that investigators are trying to determine the identity of a person who was seen sitting in the truck Terri Horman was driving the day Kyron Horman disappeared.

According to several sources in the Skyline community, including people who have spoken with investigators, the person was seen by at least two witnesses while Terri was in the school with Kyron.

<snipped>

http://www.kgw.com/home/2nd-person-seen-in-Terri-Hormans-truck-100301534.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 23, 2012, 06:55:18 PM
Flashback

Attorney: Spicher shared Terri Horman emails, texts with cops
Posted on July 26, 2010 at 11:09 AM
Updated Wednesday, Aug 18 at 7:05 AM


<snipped>]

However Spicher's attorney Chad Stavley said DeDe was gardening on the day Kyron disappeared and never left the area.
 
"She's getting asked questions, she's getting treated frankly, like she's a suspect, when she's not," he said.

Stavley also told NBC Dateline Monday that Spicher had been, and planned to keep, cooperating with investigators. He said that she had already shared text messages and emails sent to and from Terri with detectives.

"I would be, frankly, surprised if Terri Horman did not eventually face charges in this case," Stavley said. "I'd be surprised if the indictment didn't come down."

<snipped>

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/DeDe-Spicher-testifies-before-grand-jury-99252004-kyron-horman-missing-portland.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 23, 2012, 06:59:31 PM
Flashback

Kyron Horman latest news: Report says DeDe Spicher refuses to take a polygraph test
Aug 21, 2010


Kyron Horman latest news: Report says DeDe Spicher refuses to take a polygraph test

New information has been released in the Kyron Horman case and the latest news says that DeDe Spicher refuses to take a polygraph test. DeDe Spicher is good friends with Terri Horman and according to an interview Spicher gave with People magazine, she spent 11 days living with Terri Horman after Kyron’s disappearance. Though neither Terri Horman nor DeDe Spicher have been named suspects in the case, the two were featured in a flyer distributed to Portland, Oregon residents. Why would DeDe Spicher  refuse to take a polygraph test?

<snipped>

http://primewriter.com/news-1246-headlines/?p=9084


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Amys Sister on October 23, 2012, 07:00:50 PM
I found it.  I'm on page 10 of 20.  Dear Lord.  The questions are telling... about what Desiree believes happened with her baby and about the flawed investigation.  LE did not subpoena or even ask for Dede's telephone or computer records even though she had unaccounted time that day.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I know! How idiotic is that? WTH were they thinking, or rather not thinking of? This case has been screwed up from the very beginning. Shame on them.

Just to clarify- DeDe has no way of knowing, unless it was shared with her and verifiable proof was presented, what records were or were not subpoened or gained by LE.  She responded to the question asked of her, which was if she had ever given LE permission to access, or if she turned them over, etc.

I do not believe for 10 seconds that LE does not have her cell records, and I believe they duped her hard drives on any electronics if they were included in the subpoena to search her residence.  Her online account access would also be transparent to LE review if LE had a subpoena for it as well.

I am on record to say that this was a botched investigation unfortunately, but facts are facts..

Yes, good point.  She did answer the question asked of her.  I do think she would know if LE had subpoenaed her computer though, wouldn't she?  Not that this is what was asked.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 23, 2012, 07:06:11 PM
Flashback

DeDe Spicher's former boyfriend describes Terri Moulton Horman's friend as a "high-energy, dynamic" person who changed dramatically
Published: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 4:30 PM
Updated: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 5:15 PM


An ex-boyfriend of DeDe Spicher said he was stunned when he learned that investigators were interested in the whereabouts of Spicher on the day Kyron Horman, 7, disappeared from Skyline School.

Jason Name Redacted, who has volunteered as a child's advocate in Multnomah County for more than a decade, said he dated Spicher for about 10 months, and they had even talked of marriage, but their relationship fell apart in early August 2009.

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/dede_spichers_former_boyfriend.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 23, 2012, 07:14:11 PM
Flashback

Police Bump Up Search for Kyron Horman
Harris Faulkner 9:48 am on August 9, 2010


Just got off the phone with Multnomah Sheriff’s Department and they confirmed a “tip” led them to bump up the search again for 7-year-old Kyron Horman. Kinda knew that but, wanted to see if they would comment about reports that the “tip” came from family friend, DeDe Spicher. They wouldn’t tell me if that’s true. But, Spicher told a Grand Jury on Friday that she, another girlfriend and Kyron’s stepmom, Terri Horman, each bought an untraceable cell phone the day the little boy vanished. The cops wouldn’t tell me if they’re looking for those phones in the big renewed search. This case is intense. Where is that child?!

http://www.foxnewsinsider.com/2010/08/09/police-bump-up-search-for-kyron-horman/


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 23, 2012, 07:18:26 PM

Flashback

Investigators put pressure on Terri Moulton Horman's friends, including DeDe Spicher
Published: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 7:50 PM
Updated: Friday, July 23, 2010, 11:52 AM


<snipped>

Spicher  was a visible presence at the Horman house after Kyron's father, Kaine Horman, moved out and filed for divorce and a restraining order against Terri Horman in late June. She also was seen driving Terri Horman to and from her attorney's office in downtown Portland.

Detectives learned that Spicher, who shares Terri Horman's passion for fitness and gardening, was doing gardening work for a Northwest Portland homeowner on June 4. She abruptly left the house about 11:30 a.m. and didn't return until an hour to 90 minutes later.

Another person working at the home called Spicher to come in for lunch, and the homeowner called Spicher on her cell phone but she wasn't reachable. Detectives have questioned both the homeowner and the other person who was working at the home that day.

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/investigators_put_pressure_on.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 23, 2012, 07:23:33 PM
Flashback

Subpoena Issued To Another Friend Of Terri Horman
POSTED: 12:37 pm PDT August 3, 2010
UPDATED: 5:06 pm PDT August 3, 2010


PORTLAND, Ore. -- Another friend of Terri Horman has been subpoenaed to testify before a grand jury this week as the investigation into 7-year-old Kyron Horman's disappearance reached its 61st day.

Chelsea Aleshire, who identified herself as a close friend to Terri Horman, said she will appear in court Thursday. Aleshire spoke to Terri Horman on the day Kyron disappeared from Skyline School, but at the time they spoke, Aleshire was not aware that Kyron was missing, she said.

She has not spoken to Terri Horman since then, she said.

Aleshire is at least the second of Terri Horman's friends to have been subpoenaed. Eight days ago, DeDe Spicher appeared before the grand jury. Sources have said Spicher did not answer any questions. Kyron's birth parents, Kaine Horman and Desiree Young, have suggested she's not cooperating with the investigators.

The Oregonian newspaper reported this week that investigators have focused on Terri Horman's close circle of friends after learning one of them obtained new cell phones for her so she could avoid investigators' scrutiny.

http://www.kptv.com/news/24499150/detail.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on October 23, 2012, 08:12:49 PM
I found it.  I'm on page 10 of 20.  Dear Lord.  The questions are telling... about what Desiree believes happened with her baby and about the flawed investigation.  LE did not subpoena or even ask for Dede's telephone or computer records even though she had unaccounted time that day.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I know! How idiotic is that? WTH were they thinking, or rather not thinking of? This case has been screwed up from the very beginning. Shame on them.

Just to clarify- DeDe has no way of knowing, unless it was shared with her and verifiable proof was presented, what records were or were not subpoened or gained by LE.  She responded to the question asked of her, which was if she had ever given LE permission to access, or if she turned them over, etc.

I do not believe for 10 seconds that LE does not have her cell records, and I believe they duped her hard drives on any electronics if they were included in the subpoena to search her residence.  Her online account access would also be transparent to LE review if LE had a subpoena for it as well.

I am on record to say that this was a botched investigation unfortunately, but facts are facts..

Yes, good point.  She did answer the question asked of her.  I do think she would know if LE had subpoenaed her computer though, wouldn't she?  Not that this is what was asked.

Actually, they did ask her a question about knowledge of a search warrant though. If you look on page 11 of the PDF file, page 43 of the deposition, question # 9, the question was asked: " Q. Did the police give you any kind of a property receipt for any items they took from your home pursuant to a search warrant?

A. I'm asserting my Fifth Amendment right."


(http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad12/sass2heart/DeDeDepositionComment.jpg)



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Amys Sister on October 23, 2012, 11:09:32 PM
Flashback

Attorney: Spicher shared Terri Horman emails, texts with cops
Posted on July 26, 2010 at 11:09 AM
Updated Wednesday, Aug 18 at 7:05 AM


<snipped>]

However Spicher's attorney Chad Stavley said DeDe was gardening on the day Kyron disappeared and never left the area.
 
"She's getting asked questions, she's getting treated frankly, like she's a suspect, when she's not," he said.

Stavley also told NBC Dateline Monday that Spicher had been, and planned to keep, cooperating with investigators. He said that she had already shared text messages and emails sent to and from Terri with detectives.

"I would be, frankly, surprised if Terri Horman did not eventually face charges in this case," Stavley said. "I'd be surprised if the indictment didn't come down."

<snipped>

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/DeDe-Spicher-testifies-before-grand-jury-99252004-kyron-horman-missing-portland.html

So, did Dede's attorney mis-speak or did Dede lie under oath during her deposition?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: seahorse on October 24, 2012, 09:56:18 AM
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/investigators_put_pressure_on.html


Investigators put pressure on Terri Moulton Horman's friends, including DeDe Spicher
Published: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 7:50 PM     
Updated: Friday, July 23, 2010, 11:52 AM
By Maxine Bernstein,


The Oregonian Detectives learned that Spicher, who shares Terri Horman's passion for fitness and gardening, was doing gardening work for a Northwest Portland homeowner on June 4.

She abruptly left the house about 11:30 a.m. and didn't return until an hour to 90 minutes later.

Another person working at the home called Spicher to come in for lunch, and the homeowner called Spicher on her cell phone but she wasn't reachable.

Detectives have questioned both the homeowner and the other person who was working at the home that day.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/investigators_put_pressure_on.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on October 25, 2012, 10:02:51 AM
Motion to Compel Testimony From DeDe Spicher 53 pages long


http://images.bimedia.net/documents/Spicer+Horman+5th.pdf (http://images.bimedia.net/documents/Spicer+Horman+5th.pdf)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on October 26, 2012, 06:30:01 PM
Motion to Compel Testimony From DeDe Spicher 53 pages long


http://images.bimedia.net/documents/Spicer+Horman+5th.pdf (http://images.bimedia.net/documents/Spicer+Horman+5th.pdf)

Just so that you know, this is a response to DeDe's 5th Amendment response to the deposition from Rosenthal to the courts so that she may be forced to respond to the questions asked by the plaintiff, Desiree Young.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Kokos Cat on October 28, 2012, 07:01:18 AM
Others have suggested this case may be related to Terri Horman supplying steroids to members of LE.  Relatively shortly after Kyron disappeared some officers were accused of using steroids and were either arrested or lost their jobs. 

I have to reconsider the possibility.  Wouldn't it be horrendous if a member or members of LE were responsible for the disappearance of this little boy?

Sassi, remind me who the retired police officer is that we've all wondered about?  The owner of a houseboat, I believe.  Do you know?

Steve Harmon.
::MonkeyAngel::
Hi Sassi and Dear Monkeys,

Thanks for your continued efforts on Kyron's behalf.

I've been wondering for some time... do we have any pictures of Steve Harmon?

Regards,
 ::monkeywine2::
Koko


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on October 28, 2012, 02:44:59 PM
Others have suggested this case may be related to Terri Horman supplying steroids to members of LE.  Relatively shortly after Kyron disappeared some officers were accused of using steroids and were either arrested or lost their jobs. 

I have to reconsider the possibility.  Wouldn't it be horrendous if a member or members of LE were responsible for the disappearance of this little boy?

Sassi, remind me who the retired police officer is that we've all wondered about?  The owner of a houseboat, I believe.  Do you know?

Steve Harmon.
::MonkeyAngel::
Hi Sassi and Dear Monkeys,

Thanks for your continued efforts on Kyron's behalf.

I've been wondering for some time... do we have any pictures of Steve Harmon?

Regards,
 ::monkeywine2::
Koko

Hey Koko!

Here is a pic of Steve Harmon:

(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/560356_2828120556109_328418092_n.jpg)


His FB page:

https://www.facebook.com/ssteven.harmon (https://www.facebook.com/ssteven.harmon)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on October 31, 2012, 06:12:04 PM
Kyron's last known Halloween costume. The NINJA!  ::MonkeyAngel:: Happy Halloween Kyron! We miss you!


(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/12740_1274768390359_3587269_n.jpg)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on November 02, 2012, 05:42:09 PM
http://mobile.oregonlive.com/advorg/db_/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=1cs0A1jO&full=true#display (http://mobile.oregonlive.com/advorg/db_/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=1cs0A1jO&full=true#display)


Terri Horman's friend DeDe Spicher declines to answer any questions about Terri Horman in deposition
Maxine Bernstein, The Oregonian
Posted:  10/23/2012 10:00 AM



Desiree Young's lawyer has filed a motion asking a judge to compel DeDe Spicher, a friend of Terri Moulton Horman, to answer his questions after she refused to answer 142 questions during a deposition he took earlier this month stemming from Young's civil lawsuit against Horman.

Multnomah County sheriff's investigators looking into the disappearance of Kyron Horman, a second-grader who went missing from Skyline School on June 4, 2010, were interested in the whereabouts of Spicher on that day.

Spicher refused to answer any questions posed by Young's lawyers on Oct. 5 that involved Terri Horman, Kyron's stepmom, or Kyron -- each time asserting her Fifth Amendment constitutional right not to incriminate herself.

Spicher also refused to answer questions about where she was on June 4, 2010.

"Are you aware that Kyron Horman has disappeared?" asked Young's lawyer, Elden Rosenthal.

"I'm asserting my Fifth Amendment right," Spicher replied,  according to a transcript filed in Multnomah County Circuit Court.


Spicher even declined to identify a photo of Terri Horman, or whether she knew Terri Horman's husband, Kaine Horman , Young, or had ever met Kyron.

Young's lawyer, Elden Rosenthal, asked Spicher about her relationship with Terri Horman, including when she met her, if they ever worked out at the same gym together, if she moved into the Horman home after Kyron disappeared, and whether Terri Horman ever spoke to her about her relationship with Terri's husband or sons, Kyron and James Moulton.

In his motion filed in Multnomah County Circuit Court Monday, Rosenthal asks the court to compel Spicher to answer his questions. Rosenthal argued that the Fifth Amendment provides that "no person...shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself..."

"Plaintiff believes that Ms. Spicher has inappropriately sought the protection of the privilege against self-incrimination," Rosenthal wrote. "The privilege is personal; it cannot be used to protect another person...Otherwise, the privilege could be used as a shield to protect a witness' friends, and to deny a civil litigant probative evidence."

Young's civil lawsuit accuses Terri Horman of kidnapping Kyron and asks a judge to compel her to bring him back, or divulge where his body was taken. The suit seeks $10 million in damages, with the option to seek additional punitive damages, and was filed three days before the two-year anniversary of Kyron's disappearance.

Two years ago, Multnomah County investigators searched Spicher's Tualatin condo, the garden property on Northwest Old Germantown Road where Spicher was working that day and her aunt's address as they sought to determine Spicher's movements.

In 2010, investigators also put out a flier with Spicher's photos on it, asking if anyone noticed her or Terri Horman between 9:45 a.m. and 1 p.m. on June 4, 2010.

On June 4, 2010, Spicher was doing gardening work for a homeowner in the Northwest section of Portland, and abruptly left about 11:30 a.m., when the homeowner and another person working at the home were ready to sit down for lunch. The homeowner tried calling Spicher on her cell phone, but got no answer, and Spicher returned to the house about an hour to 90 minutes later, detectives were told.

Spicher asserted her Fifth Amendment right when asked in the deposition about her actions that day.

No one has been charged in Kyron's disappearance and he has not been located.

Spicher did tell Young's lawyers during her deposition that she moved to her parent's house in Klamath Falls in September 2010 after losing a job. She said she now works for Skylakes Klamath Medical Clinic, helping coordinate patients' referrals to specialists.

Also in her deposition, Spicher said she had been doing a gardening internship for a woman in Northwest Portland in 2010. She identified the man she last was in a relationship with, and even gave her changing weight from the time she ran a marathon in 2008 to her current weight.

 
But Spicher declined to say whether or not she was paid for the work she did on June 4, 2010 at the garden property on Northwest Old Germantown Road home. She did say that she was receiving unemployment benefits at the time.

Rosenthal pointed out that Spicher, who gave an interview to People Magazine for a story that ran Aug. 17, 2010, also wouldn't answer any questions regarding direct quotations from the People interview, or whether she got paid for the interview.

Some of Rosenthal's questions were more probing and personal. He asked Spicher whether or not Terri Horman used steroids, whether or not Terri Horman ever had sex with Kaine Horman's friend Michael Cook who spent time at the Horman house after Kyron disappeared, and if Spicher is bisexual.

Each time, Spicher asserted her Fifth Amendment right, declining to answer..


On June 4, 2010, Terri Horman had driven Kyron to school for a science fair. She told authorities that she last saw him walking down the hall toward his classroom about 8:45 a.m. Kyron never made it there, but he wasn't reported missing until the afternoon, after his father, Kaine Horman, and Terri Horman discovered he wasn't aboard the school bus returning home.

Peter Bunch, Terri Horman's attorney, has characterized the goal of Young's lawsuit as an "end run" by Young and police to obtain information they couldn't get through the criminal inquiry into Kyron's disappearance.

 ::snipping2::


Sassy - TY!!!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on November 02, 2012, 06:14:41 PM
YVW Puzzler!   ::MonkeyKiss::

In case anyone is interested, what I've finally been waiting for, Terri's FB page has been set to the Timeline phase. With FB, when you are forced into timeline, resets some security options.

You'll see new photo's (old but one's we haven't seen before that were not public) and comments that are not in the SM Terri's FB page. Some comments are via email.

For those that don't have FB, I can easily screen capture them.

Apparently, per the comment, she was having problems with her pregnancy with Kiara.
Edit to add link per sassifras.  MB  https://www.facebook.com/terri.horman
(http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad12/sass2heart/BeforKiaraWasBorn.jpg)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on November 02, 2012, 06:15:40 PM
I can't see DeDe doing anything but asserting her 5th amendment write to any questions asked wrt Desiree's civil suit; afterall, I remember when Desiree/Kain first talked publicly about DeDe and they said then they would sue her if she didn't tell them what they wanted to know. 

"Perhaps" DeDe can't tell them what they want to know because she, herself, doesn't know. 

I would think with the first comments by Desiree/Kaine and now DeDe being deposed wrt to Desiree's civil suit that DeDe would be concerned that anything she says will be spun.

Just saying....there's more than one way to look at this.

Will be interesting to see what the Motion to Compel brings...


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on November 02, 2012, 06:16:02 PM
Oops, forgot the link:

https://www.facebook.com/terri.horman (https://www.facebook.com/terri.horman)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on November 02, 2012, 06:19:34 PM
I can't see DeDe doing anything but asserting her 5th amendment write to any questions asked wrt Desiree's civil suit; afterall, I remember when Desiree/Kain first talked publicly about DeDe and they said then they would sue her if she didn't tell them what they wanted to know. 

"Perhaps" DeDe can't tell them what they want to know because she, herself, doesn't know. 

I would think with the first comments by Desiree/Kaine and now DeDe being deposed wrt to Desiree's civil suit that DeDe would be concerned that anything she says will be spun.

Just saying....there's more than one way to look at this.

Will be interesting to see what the Motion to Compel brings...

I agree in a sense, but if you look at the motion to compel, Rosenthal clearly states that she (DeDe) can't use the 5th Amendment when it's in response to her knowledge of another person. That person being Terri.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on November 02, 2012, 06:22:12 PM
The hearing motion is set for 12/14/2012.

Young Desiree/Horman Terri    MCR   12/14/12   3:00P   THXK 544 JUDGE KANTOR    120606956   Hearing Motion

http://courts.oregon.gov/OJD/pages/courtcalsearch.aspx (http://courts.oregon.gov/OJD/pages/courtcalsearch.aspx)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on November 03, 2012, 07:15:37 AM
The hearing motion is set for 12/14/2012.

Young Desiree/Horman Terri    MCR   12/14/12   3:00P   THXK 544 JUDGE KANTOR    120606956   Hearing Motion

http://courts.oregon.gov/OJD/pages/courtcalsearch.aspx (http://courts.oregon.gov/OJD/pages/courtcalsearch.aspx)

Sassy - thanks.   In between now and the hearing above, isn't there a date set for divorce court ... in November sometime?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on November 03, 2012, 10:06:21 AM
The hearing motion is set for 12/14/2012.

Young Desiree/Horman Terri    MCR   12/14/12   3:00P   THXK 544 JUDGE KANTOR    120606956   Hearing Motion

http://courts.oregon.gov/OJD/pages/courtcalsearch.aspx (http://courts.oregon.gov/OJD/pages/courtcalsearch.aspx)

Sassy - thanks.   In between now and the hearing above, isn't there a date set for divorce court ... in November sometime?

There was suppose to be a hearing in November. I did a search on both Horman and his attorney, Rackner. Nothing is scheduled as far as the court calendar docket.  :smt102


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Kokos Cat on November 10, 2012, 05:37:38 AM
 ::dogwag::
Dear Sassi!

Thanks soooooooooo much!

I've been offline for some time... just came back and am amazed and excited by the links you provided, thanks thanks thanks!

 ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on November 17, 2012, 04:08:42 PM
This a NEW poster made. Unbelievable!  ::MonkeyNoNo::

(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/12889_506538789377723_278066560_n.jpg)


Unsolved Mystery?  WTH? IMO, this case has gone cold and they, meaning LE, don't have a clue about what happened to Kyron.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on November 18, 2012, 07:47:56 AM
This a NEW poster made. Unbelievable!  ::MonkeyNoNo::

(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/12889_506538789377723_278066560_n.jpg)


Unsolved Mystery?  WTH? IMO, this case has gone cold and they, meaning LE, don't have a clue about what happened to Kyron.

Woke up this morning and realized I forgot the link to the new poster. So sorry.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=506538789377723&set=a.125436494154623.14645.125336750831264&type=1&theater (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=506538789377723&set=a.125436494154623.14645.125336750831264&type=1&theater)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on November 21, 2012, 08:44:58 PM
http://www.kptv.com/story/20161872/mental-health-records-allowed-in-lawsuit-against-terri-horman (http://www.kptv.com/story/20161872/mental-health-records-allowed-in-lawsuit-against-terri-horman)


Mental health records allowed in lawsuit against Terri Horman


Posted: Nov 21, 2012 3:40 PM PST Updated: Nov 21, 2012 4:17 PM PST

A protective order issued in the lawsuit filed by Kyron Horman's mother against Terri Horman said mental health records can be used in the case.

The records, however, will not be made public.

The lawsuit was filed by Desiree Young against Kyron's stepmother in June 2012. The boy has been missing since June 4, 2010.

The protective order filed in Multnomah County Circuit Court said any medical records, including but not limited to mental health records, can be used by the prosecution or the defense.

The protective order mandates any such records be sealed in an envelope at the conclusion of the litigation if they are retained in either attorney's files.

They then cannot be reopened except in connection with a subsequent legal malpractice action or other legal proceeding directly related to the current case.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on November 27, 2012, 06:12:30 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::  ::MonkeyMad:: BS, IMO. She just wants to know what happened to Kyron. They're not making progress.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/11/kyron_horman_lawsuit_on_hold_a.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/11/kyron_horman_lawsuit_on_hold_a.html)

Kyron Horman lawsuit on hold after DA and sheriff move to block it
November 27, 2012 at 1:45 PM, updated November 27, 2012 at 2:08 PM


A Multnomah County judge has granted motions by District Attorney Michael Schrunk and Sheriff Dan Staton to delay Desiree Young's civil lawsuit against Terri Horman.

Norm Frink, chief deputy district attorney, and Elden Rosenthal, Young's civil lawyer, declined comment Tuesday on the development

 ::snipping2::

Ironically, Terri Horman's lawyers had unsuccessfully urged the court to delay the civil proceeding this summer. Terri Horman's lawyers had argued that her constitutional rights would be impaired with a parallel criminal investigation proceeding alongside the civil litigation.

 ::snipping2::

On Monday, Judge Henry Kantor granted the motions to abate the civil proceeding and ordered the motions and affidavits filed by the district attorney and sheriff sealed.

The court had scheduled a hearing for Dec. 14 to hear Young's attorney argue for the court to compel testimony from DeDe Spicher, a friend of Terri Horman.

 ::snipping2::

That hearing now will likely be postponed, under the judge's latest order.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: tupelohoney on November 27, 2012, 06:12:59 PM
http://www.kgw.com/news/Kyron-Horman-civil-suit-delayed-for-criminal-case-181040821.html

Source: Kyron Horman civil lawsuit will get delayed

Posted on November 27, 2012 at 1:47 PM
Updated today at 2:36 PM

PORTLAND -- The judge in the civil lawsuit involving the disappearance of Kyron Horman was expected to delay those proceedings against Terri Horman as the criminal investigation moves forward, a source told KGW Tuesday.

The source said that the civil case will be delayed for nine months after affidavits were filed by the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office and the District Attorney.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: tupelohoney on November 27, 2012, 06:14:37 PM
::MonkeyNoNo::  ::MonkeyMad:: BS, IMO. She just wants to know what happened to Kyron. They're not making progress.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/11/kyron_horman_lawsuit_on_hold_a.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/11/kyron_horman_lawsuit_on_hold_a.html)

Kyron Horman lawsuit on hold after DA and sheriff move to block it
November 27, 2012 at 1:45 PM, updated November 27, 2012 at 2:08 PM


A Multnomah County judge has granted motions by District Attorney Michael Schrunk and Sheriff Dan Staton to delay Desiree Young's civil lawsuit against Terri Horman.

Norm Frink, chief deputy district attorney, and Elden Rosenthal, Young's civil lawyer, declined comment Tuesday on the development

 ::snipping2::

Ironically, Terri Horman's lawyers had unsuccessfully urged the court to delay the civil proceeding this summer. Terri Horman's lawyers had argued that her constitutional rights would be impaired with a parallel criminal investigation proceeding alongside the civil litigation.

 ::snipping2::

On Monday, Judge Henry Kantor granted the motions to abate the civil proceeding and ordered the motions and affidavits filed by the district attorney and sheriff sealed.

The court had scheduled a hearing for Dec. 14 to hear Young's attorney argue for the court to compel testimony from DeDe Spicher, a friend of Terri Horman.

 ::snipping2::

That hearing now will likely be postponed, under the judge's latest order.

I agree,Sassifrass.....what is moving forward????  And now, when the civil trial is to get going.  hmmmm


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: tupelohoney on November 27, 2012, 07:09:41 PM
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/11/multnomah_county_sheriff_cites.html

Multnomah County sheriff cites new 'investigative avenues' in case of missing Kyron Horman

on November 27, 2012 at 2:57 PM, updated November 27, 2012 at 3:46 PM

 ::snipping2::

"There are a couple of investigative pieces that are going to open up," Staton told The Oregonian Tuesday. "Our belief is they're going to open up several investigative doors."

He said the new "investigative avenues" are based on information collected in the early phase of the investigation that are now yielding some results.

The sheriff said it does not include cell phone data or e-mails.

Multnomah County Sheriff's Lt. Ned Walls, who oversees the investigators handling the case, said Tuesday, "We have some new leads, yes, and we have furtherance of old leads.''

"The case is still progressing, still evolving,'' Walls said.
 ::snipping2::

 ::snipping2::

On Monday, Judge Henry Kantor granted the motions to abate the civil proceeding and ordered the motions and affidavits filed by the district attorney and sheriff sealed.

Underhill requested the motions be sealed, citing the continuing criminal investigation, court records show.

"Premature disclosure of the information contained in these documents could jeopardize that ongoing investigation,'' Underhill wrote. "Sealing these documents is in the best interests of justice, will preserve the integrity of the investigation, and will promote the safety of the witnesses involved.''
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on November 28, 2012, 04:14:42 AM
It sounds like MCSO/DA has provided the Court with "reason" for the judge to make a decision to delay the civil case.  hmmm....9 months...?means? that the MCSO will have some new information wrt the criminal case by then?

What could be something that is "opening up" soon, but that reverts back to the beginning of the case?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on November 28, 2012, 09:41:52 AM
Look at the Monkey hat and glasses!  ::MonkeyHaHa::


(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/561743_506960159335586_937043667_n.jpg)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on November 28, 2012, 09:53:23 AM
It sounds like MCSO/DA has provided the Court with "reason" for the judge to make a decision to delay the civil case.  hmmm....9 months...?means? that the MCSO will have some new information wrt the criminal case by then?

What could be something that is "opening up" soon, but that reverts back to the beginning of the case?

Hi Puzzler!   ::MonkeyKiss::

Maybe statements made by someone early on didn't check out when they did a further investigation, or a new witness that contradicts some prior statements?

So they're saying that future potential deposition witnesses to the civil suit "may" jeopardize the ongoing investigation. Who could those "potential people" be? Is it possible that the DA saw the list of people that will be subpenaed for the civil trial, and perhaps one of them is suspect?  :smt102 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: grace-land on November 28, 2012, 03:41:06 PM
http://www.kptv.com/story/20200850/deputies-confirm-new-developments-in-kyron-horman-case

Sheriff's office pursuing new leads in Kyron Horman case
Posted: Nov 27, 2012 8:29 PM CST Updated: Nov 27, 2012 9:54 PM CST

PORTLAND, OR (KPTV) -
The Multnomah County Sheriff's Office confirmed to Fox 12 they have new leads in the disappearance of Kyron Horman.

The revelation comes at the same time it was ruled a lawsuit filed by Kyron Horman's mother against Terri Horman will not move forward until at least November 2014.

Desiree Young's attorney filed a motion to abate the civil proceedings Monday. Judge Henry Kantor signed to abate the case until Nov. 26, 2014, according to Multnomah County records.
 
That means the case is under a holding pattern for the next two years.
 ::snipping2::



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Blink34 on November 28, 2012, 03:50:43 PM
Has anyone considered the possibility that the abatement was granted because Terri Horman is a protected witness?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: grace-land on November 29, 2012, 12:38:29 AM
http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/local/story/Judge-explains-delay-in-Terri-Horman-civil-suit/XpwsVjc4C02XktjAHnhhYA.cspx

Judge explains delay in Terri Horman civil suit
Published: 3:57 pm

A judge provided a brief, one-paragraph explanation Wednesday for his decision to delay Desiree Young’s civil suit against Terri Horman.

In an order signed Wednesday, Multnomah County Circuit Court Judge Henry Kantor stated that he granted a motion filed by the Multnomah County District Attorney’s Office requesting to delay the suit, “on the ground that allowing the case to proceed could impact an ongoing criminal investigation.”

Kantor wrote that he came to the decision after conferring with attorneys for both sides, an unnamed witness and prosecutors

The order halts the lawsuit until Aug. 1, 2013.

On Nov. 21, Kantor granted a request to seal the memorandum and affidavits that were submitted as part of the motion to delay the lawsuit, but did amend it to state that the motion could be subject to an additional request to have it unsealed.

The district attorney's office has declined to comment on the developments of the case. However, officials familiar with it, speaking on background, said there have been new leads that the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office would like to look at without the civil lawsuit getting in the way of any possible criminal case.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on November 29, 2012, 02:34:52 AM
Has anyone considered the possibility that the abatement was granted because Terri Horman is a protected witness?

Yes, I have wondered about that...after all...her 2 year abatement with the divorce judge is now over.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on November 29, 2012, 02:38:39 AM
Confusing to me is that it appears that information is opening in the "future"...like MCSO has a timeline of when that information might open....huh?...what kinds of reasons would be that the information can't open now but can...say...6 months down the road?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Blink34 on November 29, 2012, 12:09:06 PM
Confusing to me is that it appears that information is opening in the "future"...like MCSO has a timeline of when that information might open....huh?...what kinds of reasons would be that the information can't open now but can...say...6 months down the road?

I think that just means a prima facie  was satisfied to allow the judge to abate it for the length of time that mirrors the filing deadline of the original tort from the date of the occurrance.

I have heard this being referred to as new information,  but while it may be new to the plaintiff ( I dont know), it is not new to LE or the DA whose original opinion in the matter was that he did not have a position.

His honor essentially reversed himself after hearing argument for abatement, which had already been the subject of an order.

That is pretty rare when we already knew their was a parallel criminal investigation.

My take, as posted on BOC:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/11/27/kyron-horman-missing-civil-suit-against-terri-horman-delayed-and-sealed/

So in your opinion you feel Desiree never thought that the defense would get access to her medical records?

 I would personally find that shocking if true, and poor prep by counsel, while I admit that burden is a big one, I just can’t see Rosenthal not availing the possibility of a woman who relinquished custody for years due to her stated “medically necessary treatment” outside the US. That is a matter of public record in 2 dockets. When filing a tort action seeking a reward of $10 million dollars, as I wrote in part I, you bet your azz the plaintiff is going to undergo nearly as much scrutiny as the defendant.

UNLESS- they orchestrated a calculated attempt to seek a default judgement- but again, that is not good faith when imo, the allegation never showed a prima facie to begin with. It worked for the TRO and continued to until now by TH not defending it, or not being able to defend it.

Do I think it possible that information opened up new investigative leads that were not followed?

Abso-frickin-lutely. Guys, we predicted this, I am not at all surprised. I recently commented blatantly again that the suit would interfere with the prosecution of this case ( who else said that- Peter Bunch)

This info must prejudice the civil action in some way or Kantor reversed his earlier ruling in which HE HIMSELF contacted the DA and was told they had “no position.”

He also wrote in, subject to appropriate motion to unseal- his honor is a smartie, he knows how this looks.

Here’s thing, if it IS a witness to SZ, they KNEW this all along, and so did Desiree, ergo so did Rosenthal. Did defendant counsel argue against an abatement? That would be key.

Many of the events coming to pass I wrote on here:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/09/11/kyron-horman-disappearance-series-part-i-desiree-young-v-terri-horman-civil-as-an-oxymoron/

I have always felt Desiree was ill-advised as to the possibilities of outcome for this suit, but I also understand she has had great faith in LE, as Kaine appears to as well, yet these two are clearly divided now as to their opinions on Kyron's status.

I don't understand that personally, but since neither of them are stationed outside the DA office as I would be, asking my attorney to file FOIA after FOIA if only to learn exactly what they consider the scope of investigation and require them to produce their basic "card catalog" of documents,  this case will sit right where it is, imo.

If their is no alternative evidence to the assertions by both Kaine and Desiree that Kyron is being held or secreted- I am beyond disbelief that as it is now evident and on record that this is an ongoing criminal investigation that  GAL has not been appointed by the court to protect Kyron's interests. 

Does anyone even know if a CPS investigation has been launched in this case?  Isn't that protocol?


B


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on November 30, 2012, 03:08:26 AM
Blink - TY !


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: klaasend on December 04, 2012, 09:02:37 PM
TUNE IN NOW!

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http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/radio.m3u


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on December 25, 2012, 09:52:42 AM
 ::MonkeyAngel::  ::MonkeyAngel:: Merry Christmas Kyron  ::MonkeyAngel::  ::MonkeyAngel::


(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/64079_523105717721030_900682120_n.jpg)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on December 25, 2012, 11:52:07 PM
Terri,
I hope you had a horrible day.  I hope you kept hearing the voices of Kyron and your daughter while you sat around bored watching the neighborhood kids playing with their new toys.  I hope the day comes that the truth eats at you in such a way you can't find peace until you tell everything you know.  I really hope that day comes soon.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: akmom on January 03, 2013, 04:23:04 PM
    I just saw that ICE made a child pornography bust.  There was mention of one guy in Portland arrested....Every time, since he disappeared I think of him when this happens.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: BabsKats on January 03, 2013, 06:03:48 PM
    I just saw that ICE made a child pornography bust.  There was mention of one guy in Portland arrested....Every time, since he disappeared I think of him when this happens.

I was just reading article  and immediately thought of Kyron also, AKmom.  Nothing mentioned re:  missing children  but from what was found they have retrieved videos and pics so perhaps some of the missing might be identified.

http://news.yahoo.com/agents-arrests-245-alleged-pedophiles-163831855--abc-news-topstories.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Amys Sister on January 15, 2013, 09:45:24 PM
I've got Kyron on my mind.  Wondering what's going on behind the scenes with the new leads.  Sending prayer for Desiree.  Waiting for justice. 

 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 16, 2013, 06:05:11 AM
 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 24, 2013, 09:11:54 PM
http://www.nwcn.com/news/oregon/188295111.html
Age-progressed Kyron Horman photo to appear on trucks
January 24, 2013

PORTLAND -- A new photo of Kyron Horman, the boy who vanished from Skyline Elementary School at the age of 7 in 2010 will soon appear on trucks as part of a new effort to find missing children.
More...

Photos at Link


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 27, 2013, 09:23:18 AM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::  won't help...


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 27, 2013, 10:19:59 AM
::MonkeyNoNo::  won't help...


I'm very sad to say I don't think it will help either.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 28, 2013, 09:55:43 PM
http://www.kval.com/news/local/Wheres-Kyron-Boy-missing-since-2009-188703241.html
Where's Kyron? Boy missing since 2010 would now be 10 years old
January 28, 2013

PACIFIC, Wash. (AP) — It's been nearly three years since Kyron Horman disappeared from a Portland school where his stepmother says she dropped him off.

An age-progression photo to show what he would look like now has been released in a poster from the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.

The poster will get added publicity by being displayed on the Gordon Trucking fleet of trucks in Washington and Oregon.

Kyron's father, Kaine Horman, was at an event Monday at the trucking company yard in Pacific where the Washington State Patrol highlighted the latest addition to the Homeward Bound Program.
 
For Kaine, the photo is hard to process. Not having had the chance to watch his son grow, it's painful for him to imagine the boy nearly three years older.

"I have lots of friends who have kids about his age, and (I've been) watching them grow through the years and just trying to imagine what he's (Kyron is) like now," he said.

No arrests have been made in Kyron's disappearance.

His mother, Desiree Young, is suing the stepmother, Terri Horman, seeking a court order to force her to say what happened to him.

Among the supporters of the missing boy's parents is Melissa Baum, whose own daughter, Lindsey Baum, has been missing since June 2009. Lindsey's image is also featured on trucks traveling the country.
 ::snipping2::

Photos at Link


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 28, 2013, 10:01:49 PM
http://kxro.wordpress.com/2013/01/25/missing-child-gets-age-enhanced-missing-poster/
Missing Child Gets Age Enhanced Missing Poster
January 25, 2013

On Monday, January 28, 2013, at 11 am, Gordon Trucking, in partnership with IMagic and the Washington State Patrol, will highlight the Homeward Bound Program with adding an age progressed photograph of a missing person to their fleet of vehicles that include posters of missing children from Washington and Oregon.

Kyron Horman, missing since age 7, has been in the Homeward Bound program since 2011. This age enhanced photograph will now be displayed. Kyron was last seen June 4, 2010 in the Portland area.
 ::snipping2::

Photo at Link


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on January 29, 2013, 12:15:59 PM
http://www.gofundme.com/kyronhorman (http://www.gofundme.com/kyronhorman)

 ::MonkeyTears::




Updated posted by Kelly Davidson Ramirez 16 hours ago

I’ve been sitting here thinking about...

I’ve been sitting here thinking about the letter Desiree read to Kyron this morning on the news, and my emotions have been all over the place. On one hand I ache for Desiree, for Kyron and that void in my heart that only he can fill. That desperate longing and grief that makes you feel as though you can’t even breathe, the why that can never be answered.

But I’ll admit it has slowly turned to anger and I don’t want to be the bigger person today. I don’t want to bite my tongue. I hate the silence on this page and in the news like Kyron is being forgotten. I hate that I had to stop the memories, but mostly I hate the reason I had to do it. Only truly disgusting and cold hearted people could take something so pure and innocent and make it ugly, and I won’t let you do that to Kyron. I won’t let you taint his beautiful memories with your evil and vicious thoughts, he deserves better than that.

I wish things were different, that the world was different. Kyron has some amazing followers. There are a few of his pages that I follow and it’s wonderful to see the posts faithfully everyday. Thank you for not forgetting him and moving on to the next story. Thank you for fighting for him and keeping his face out there. It is people like you that prove there is still good in this world, and that is what will bring Kyron home.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on January 29, 2013, 12:20:29 PM
http://www.kptv.com/story/20757033/kyron-hormans-father-files-to-delay-divorce-case-with-terri-horman (http://www.kptv.com/story/20757033/kyron-hormans-father-files-to-delay-divorce-case-with-terri-horman)


Kyron Horman's father files to delay divorce case with Terri Horman

Posted: Jan 28, 2013 6:13 PM PST Updated: Jan 28, 2013 6:51 PM PST

PACIFIC, WA (KPTV) -

The father of Kyron Horman filed a motion to delay his divorce case with Terri Horman.

Kaine Horman's attorneys filed a motion to stay the dissolution proceedings on Friday. A hearing is now set for Feb. 4.

 ::snipping2::

"There's two civil cases pending right now, one from his mother and then the divorce case that we have that's still pending and on hold," Kaine Horman said. "And that's exactly how we're going to progress. We need to bring him home."

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: grace-land on February 04, 2013, 02:40:43 PM
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/02/kyron_horman_missing_boys_fath.html

Kyron Horman: Missing boy's father wants divorce from Terri Horman delayed
on February 04, 2013 at 10:16 AM, updated February 04, 2013 at 11:11 AM

More than two and a half years after Kyron Horman's disappearance, his father wants to delay his divorce hearings while his estranged wife wants to proceed.
 
On Monday morning, Kaine Horman's attorneys Brett Engel and Laura Rackner asked a Multnomah County judge to delay his petition to divorce his estranged wife, Terri Moulton Horman, for another six months.

Terri Horman's divorce attorney Peter Bunch argued against any postponement, and also objected to any interference by the district attorney's office.

"Two years, seven months – that's how long it's been," Bunch told the court. "That's a long time."

Bunch suggested the divorce proceedings go forward, with limitations placed on what questions can be asked of Terri Horman and on the state's ongoing criminal inquiry into Kyron's disappearance.

But Engel questioned how the court could decide whether or not it's in the best interest of the couple's daughter Kiara, now 4, to have contact with her mother, without knowing whether or not Terri Horman was responsible for Kyron's disappearance.

"If (Kaine) believes this woman is responsible for Kyron's disappearance, do you think he'll feel good about providing spousal support?" Engel asked in court.

Kaine Horman was present in court Monday; Terri Horman was not.

Jude Henry Kantor said he would rule in about two weeks, after seeking some detailed information about what subjects Bunch would allow Terri Horman to be deposed on, if the divorce proceeding was allowed to continue.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Amys Sister on February 04, 2013, 04:14:25 PM
When Desiree brought her civil suit to court I felt that she had every right to do so.  It seemed that two years was long enough for her to wait out the investigation.

I also feel that Terri has the right to proceed with her divorce.  She should also not have to wait into the unforseeable future with no end in sight for this investigation. 

In the same breath, she cannot choose what questions she will and won't answer if they pertain to the divorce and the safety of Kiara.  So, yes IMO, she does have the right to proceed however not if she's not able to speak on her own behalf.  That could potentially put Kiara's safety at risk.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Sister on February 10, 2013, 03:33:50 PM
When Desiree brought her civil suit to court I felt that she had every right to do so.  It seemed that two years was long enough for her to wait out the investigation.

I also feel that Terri has the right to proceed with her divorce.  She should also not have to wait into the unforseeable future with no end in sight for this investigation. 

In the same breath, she cannot choose what questions she will and won't answer if they pertain to the divorce and the safety of Kiara.  So, yes IMO, she does have the right to proceed however not if she's not able to speak on her own behalf.  That could potentially put Kiara's safety at risk.
Amys Sister, I agree with you.  She should be able to proceed, but she can't pick and chose the the questions.
Kiara's safety is paramount.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on March 11, 2013, 02:50:48 AM
On January 28, 2013, Terri Horman's attorney, Peter Bunch, filed a document with the court:

Respondant's Response to
Petitioner's Motion to Stay
and Hearing Memorandum

I guess Terri/attorneys want the court to move the divorce along and not delay it as Kaine has requested.

I don't have a link to the .pdf of the filed document.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on March 11, 2013, 03:11:18 AM
Here's a link to three (3) different documents filed by Terri's attorney, Peter Bunch (very interesting):

January 28, 2013
January 30, 2013
January 31, 2013

http://www.anorak.co.uk/346864/news/kyron-horman-police-justice-and-media-collude-to-create-a-secret-criminal-case-from-thin-air.html/2/



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on March 11, 2013, 03:54:23 AM
More interesting reading. 

http://vwoolfexploresthenorthwest.blogspot.com/2012_11_01_archive.html



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: cw618 on March 11, 2013, 01:41:39 PM
More interesting reading. 

http://vwoolfexploresthenorthwest.blogspot.com/2012_11_01_archive.html



Posted by vwoolf and woolfette
ASKS
The Infamous Phone Calls: What's Staton wanna Hide?

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-gYAA4ZkRuOk/UJlTVrRuWFI/AAAAAAAADSM/kecpQUvBaxY/s640/IMG_0692.jpg)

kind of weird that vwoolf and woolfette post this img,and still cant read the last name of
this person,all the other imgs are readable enough,even the 2nd img in post, where it
says on line, specific information requested, i can fill in the rest of the word at the cut off
a, i believe it to be and, what is the big secret about, Roldolfo Sanchez E


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: cw618 on March 11, 2013, 02:14:57 PM
Here's a link to three (3) different documents filed by Terri's attorney, Peter Bunch (very interesting):

January 28, 2013
January 30, 2013
January 31, 2013

http://www.anorak.co.uk/346864/news/kyron-horman-police-justice-and-media-collude-to-create-a-secret-criminal-case-from-thin-air.html/2/



TY Puzzler, i knew way back in 2010,that this case would set legal precedents
when Kaine used the criminal investigation as reason to stall divorce, it seems
that the TMH team are trying to say put up or shut up and on with the divorce
and custody, im worried the judge will rule in Kaine favor,and then more legal
wrangling, as in the TMH team taking it to the oregon state supreme court, and
that justice for Kyron will be lost in the process
just maybe there will be away for the law of the land to force the LE,to disclose
what they know and the  investigation can move on to finding Kyron, everytime
i read this stuff about the LE sighting BC of an ongoing investigation,or Kaine
team sighting an ongoing investigation, it hints at we have nothing,and are trying
to build a case,well to me that isnt justice for Kyron
so sad those crucial hours that were lost,may keep Kyron lost for a very long time


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: can on March 29, 2013, 08:12:03 AM
Kyron, you are not forgotten! ::FlyingFrog:: ::FlyingFrog:: ::FlyingFrog:: ::FlyingFrog:: ::FlyingFrog:: ::FlyingFrog:: ::FlyingFrog:: ::FlyingFrog:: ::FlyingFrog:: ::FlyingFrog:: ::FlyingFrog:: ::FlyingFrog::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on April 25, 2013, 10:28:16 AM
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/04/multnomah_county_judge_delays.html
Multnomah County judge delays pending Horman divorce case until August
April 11, 2013

A Multnomah County judge has delayed the pending divorce case between Kaine Horman and estranged wife Terri Moulton Horman until Aug. 1, court records show.
Kaine Horman's attorneys in February had asked for the delay, while Terri Horman's lawyer argued against any postponement.

The Multnomah County District Attorney's office also supported the delay to preserve the integrity of the ongoing criminal investigation.

Judge Henry Kantor issued his ruling this week, more than two months after hearing oral arguments on Feb. 4.

Kaine Horman had petitioned for a divorce from his wife, shortly after his son, Kyron Horman, disappeared on June 4, 2010, from Skyline School.

The second-grader was last seen at Skyline School after his stepmom, Terri Moulton Horman, drove him to school for a science fair. While no arrests have been made, investigators have focused intently on Terri Horman.

 Kaine Horman had filed for divorce June 28, 2010, two days after investigators informed him that his wife had discussed with a landscaper an alleged murder-for-hire plot to kill him about six months before Kyron's disappearance.
More...

Comments


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Sister on April 29, 2013, 08:19:48 AM
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/04/multnomah_county_judge_delays.html
Multnomah County judge delays pending Horman divorce case until August
April 11, 2013

A Multnomah County judge has delayed the pending divorce case between Kaine Horman and estranged wife Terri Moulton Horman until Aug. 1, court records show.
Kaine Horman's attorneys in February had asked for the delay, while Terri Horman's lawyer argued against any postponement.

The Multnomah County District Attorney's office also supported the delay to preserve the integrity of the ongoing criminal investigation.

Judge Henry Kantor issued his ruling this week, more than two months after hearing oral arguments on Feb. 4.

Kaine Horman had petitioned for a divorce from his wife, shortly after his son, Kyron Horman, disappeared on June 4, 2010, from Skyline School.

The second-grader was last seen at Skyline School after his stepmom, Terri Moulton Horman, drove him to school for a science fair. While no arrests have been made, investigators have focused intently on Terri Horman.

 Kaine Horman had filed for divorce June 28, 2010, two days after investigators informed him that his wife had discussed with a landscaper an alleged murder-for-hire plot to kill him about six months before Kyron's disappearance.
More...

Comments
Muffy   ::bee:: 
It certainly is an interesting read . . . especially the comment section. 
Things that make me go hmmmmm.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on May 11, 2013, 12:40:58 PM
http://ktvl.com/shared/news/top-stories/stories/ktvl_vid_6880.shtml (http://ktvl.com/shared/news/top-stories/stories/ktvl_vid_6880.shtml)

with video

Ohio women being found gives hope to Kyron's mother
May 10 2013, 09:53 PM

By Whitney Clark/KTVL.com

MEDFORD, Ore. -- When Desiree Young heard the news about the missing Cleveland women found after ten years, it gave her more of something she's never let go of -- hope.

"Some people have answers and some people don't," Young said. "Even when you do have answers, to know that the possibility is out there that they can be found after that many years is phenominal."

Young's son Kyron Horman has been missing for almost three years. Kyron was last seen in Portland in June of 2010.

Since then Young hasn't given up the search, and is now working with investigators to form a special team in the Rogue Valley to find missing children.

She says officers here need that special training.

"If we ever had a missing child -- big cases like Kyron's here in southern Oregon we wouldn't be prepared," Young said. "And I think it's important for us to learn from our mistakes.

 ::snipping3::

Young says she feels lucky to have worked with dozens of amazing agencies all over Oregon. She has been meeting with the Jackson County Sheriff's Office to get C.A.R.T. up and running


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on May 12, 2013, 02:36:11 AM

Rescue of Cleveland women adds hope in search for Kyron Horman

http://www.kptv.com/story/22188906/rescue-of-cleveland-women-adds-hope-in-search-for-kyron-horman


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on May 12, 2013, 04:19:50 AM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::   :roll:


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on June 04, 2013, 10:57:27 AM
Three years has gone by and there is still no word on where Kyron is. Why is that? This young man deserves to be found. Desiree deserves answers.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/971625_596089393756819_346404003_n.jpg)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: grace-land on June 04, 2013, 03:32:27 PM
Thank you, sassifrass, for all of the updates and for your dedication to find Kyron.  Desiree is so proactive in finding answers and working with investigators to set up a special team to find missing children.  Bless her.
 
It's disappointing that there was no C.A.R.T. in place when Kyron went missing.  The first few hours are so important in a missing person investigation--and, of course, the proper training of le and detectives in the area--in my opinion. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: grace-land on June 04, 2013, 03:35:16 PM
http://www.kxl.com/06/04/13/Kyron-Horman-Vanished-3-Years-Ago-Today/landing.html?blockID=691467&feedID=10446

Kyron Horman Vanished 3 Years Ago Today
June 4, 2013, 7:51 am

It was three years ago today seven year old Kyron Horman vanished. The last person to see him alive was his step mom, Terri Horman. She and Kaine Horman are in the process of getting divorced and Kyron's biological mother, Desiree Young has filed a 10 million dollar civil suti to get Terri to speak up about Kryon's disappearance.  The civil suit is headed to court in August with any proceeds going to help other families who have lost children. Terri Horman, who is considered a person of interest in the case,  moved back to her childhood home in Roseburg more than a year ago. At first she was spotted around town and in the neighborhood. But now she's hardly been seen at all.  ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: grace-land on June 04, 2013, 03:40:16 PM
http://www.kgw.com/news/Kyron-Hormans-dad-still-hopeful-after-three-years-210008521.html

3 years after he vanished, Kaine Horman still hopeful for Kyron's return
Posted on June 3, 2013 at 4:35 PM
Updated today at 9:36 AM

PORTLAND – Tuesday marks three years since Kyron Horman, who was seven years old at the time, vanished from Skyline Elementary school.

In an interview with KGW, Kyron's father Kaine said it was hard to believe three years had passed, but that he was still hopeful he’ll see Kyron again.

“There’s so many things I’d want to say. The last thing that I told him is that I loved him and I’d tell him the same thing,” Kaine said Monday. “I love you, man. Life’s not the same. And we miss you. And we’ve got so much to do together still.”

Kyron disappeared from Skyline school on June 4, 2010. His stepmother, Terri Horman, drove him to school that day. She later told investigators she last saw him walking down the hallway toward his classroom.

She was never arrested or charged, but Kaine Horman and Kyron’s mother have long said they believe Terri had something to do with the disappearance.
 ::snipping3::



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on June 04, 2013, 03:54:35 PM
Three years later and we've heard nothing new in how long?  Two - two and one-half years?

Amazing.

Unacceptable.

Very sad.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on June 04, 2013, 04:53:24 PM
Indeed


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on June 04, 2013, 05:50:20 PM
I'm hoping Kyron will be found soon.   ::FlyingFrog::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on June 24, 2013, 03:08:42 AM

They were in court last Friday.

Tweets from reporter that attended:

Anna Canzano ‏@AnnaCanzanoKATU 4h
What are your thoughts about the Kyron Horman case? I'll be in court today covering this proceeding.

Anna Canzano ‏@AnnaCanzanoKATU 2h
This is a civil matter but Terri Horman's criminal defense attorney Stephen Houze is in the courtroom for today's proceeding.

Anna Canzano ‏@AnnaCanzanoKATU 2h
Kaine Horman: "It's very frustrating the other party makes statements about wanting to find my son but does nothing to back that up."

Anna Canzano ‏@AnnaCanzanoKATU 2h
Kaine Horman is in judge's chambers with the judge and attorneys

Anna Canzano ‏@AnnaCanzanoKATU 2h
Correction: Kaine Horman's attorney was in judge's chambers with Terri Horman's attorneys. Kaine was not in the chambers.

Anna Canzano ‏@AnnaCanzanoKATU 1h
Kaine Horman: (on the work he's still doing to find his son & other missing kids) "It's a good way to channel the emotions"

Anna Canzano ‏@AnnaCanzanoKATU 1h
No she is not in court
RT @neelobo: @AnnaCanzanoKATU Is Terri Horman in court with her attorney?

Anna Canzano ‏@AnnaCanzanoKATU 1h
Peter Bunch, Terri Horman's defense attorney: "the allegations in (Kaine Horman's) petition are hearsay..."

Anna Canzano ‏@AnnaCanzanoKATU 1h
Peter Bunch: "My client is retaining her rights to request a hearing to contest this restraining order renewal."

Anna Canzano ‏@AnnaCanzanoKATU 1h
Bunch referencing the Horman's divorce proceedings which have been delayed. They are not yet divorced.

Anna Canzano ‏@AnnaCanzanoKATU 1h
Kaine Horman's attorney says any request by Terri's attorney for discovery will likely result in the MultCo DA's office weighing in.

Anna Canzano ‏@AnnaCanzanoKATU 1h
Judge Henry Kantor is signing order to renew the restraining order in part on no change in circumstances under which it was first granted

Anna Canzano ‏@AnnaCanzanoKATU 1h
Stephen Houze says Terri Hroman intends to contest this restraining order - that is a FIRST. She has not contested previously.

Anna Canzano ‏@AnnaCanzanoKATU 33m
Kaine Horman says he sees this as progress - an opportunity for depositions on both sides - and to get info about this son.

https://twitter.com/AnnaCanzanoKATU


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Sister on June 25, 2013, 09:28:04 AM

They were in court last Friday.

Tweets from reporter that attended:

Anna Canzano ‏@AnnaCanzanoKATU 4h
What are your thoughts about the Kyron Horman case? I'll be in court today covering this proceeding.

Anna Canzano ‏@AnnaCanzanoKATU 2h
This is a civil matter but Terri Horman's criminal defense attorney Stephen Houze is in the courtroom for today's proceeding.

Anna Canzano ‏@AnnaCanzanoKATU 2h
Kaine Horman: "It's very frustrating the other party makes statements about wanting to find my son but does nothing to back that up."

Anna Canzano ‏@AnnaCanzanoKATU 2h
Kaine Horman is in judge's chambers with the judge and attorneys

Anna Canzano ‏@AnnaCanzanoKATU 2h
Correction: Kaine Horman's attorney was in judge's chambers with Terri Horman's attorneys. Kaine was not in the chambers.

Anna Canzano ‏@AnnaCanzanoKATU 1h
Kaine Horman: (on the work he's still doing to find his son & other missing kids) "It's a good way to channel the emotions"

Anna Canzano ‏@AnnaCanzanoKATU 1h
No she is not in court
RT @neelobo: @AnnaCanzanoKATU Is Terri Horman in court with her attorney?

Anna Canzano ‏@AnnaCanzanoKATU 1h
Peter Bunch, Terri Horman's defense attorney: "the allegations in (Kaine Horman's) petition are hearsay..."

Anna Canzano ‏@AnnaCanzanoKATU 1h
Peter Bunch: "My client is retaining her rights to request a hearing to contest this restraining order renewal."

Anna Canzano ‏@AnnaCanzanoKATU 1h
Bunch referencing the Horman's divorce proceedings which have been delayed. They are not yet divorced.

Anna Canzano ‏@AnnaCanzanoKATU 1h
Kaine Horman's attorney says any request by Terri's attorney for discovery will likely result in the MultCo DA's office weighing in.

Anna Canzano ‏@AnnaCanzanoKATU 1h
Judge Henry Kantor is signing order to renew the restraining order in part on no change in circumstances under which it was first granted

Anna Canzano ‏@AnnaCanzanoKATU 1h
Stephen Houze says Terri Hroman intends to contest this restraining order - that is a FIRST. She has not contested previously.

Anna Canzano ‏@AnnaCanzanoKATU 33m
Kaine Horman says he sees this as progress - an opportunity for depositions on both sides - and to get info about this son.

https://twitter.com/AnnaCanzanoKATU

Thanks Puzzler for the update.
My great-grandfather used to say . . . now that's a puzzlement . . . thought you might enjoy that word.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 25, 2013, 02:14:25 PM
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/07/hearing_set_for_july_30_on_pen.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/07/hearing_set_for_july_30_on_pen.html)

Hearing set for July 30 on pending Horman divorce, renewed restraining order and civil suit

July 25, 2013 at 8:25 AM, updated July 25, 2013 at 8:33 AM

A Multnomah County judge has set a hearing for July 30 to allow Terri Moulton Horman's lawyers the opportunity to argue against the one-year renewal of a restraining order that her estranged husband obtained against her last month.
 

On July 30, Judge Henry Kantor will also request an update on the status of the delayed divorce proceedings between Kaine Horman and Terri Horman, and of the civil lawsuit that is pending against Terri Horman by the mother of missing Kyron Horman, Desiree Young.

Last month, Terri Horman's lawyer, Peter Bunch, said in court that his client intends for the first time in three years to contest the restraining order. Bunch argued that the allegations in Kaine Horman's petition for a new restraining order were based solely on "hearsay.''

 ::snipping3::

Terri Horman's lawyer indicated in court last month that he would want to question Kaine Horman in his effort to contest the restraining order.

Yet whether the judge will allow depositions to proceed remains unclear, considering that the couple's pending divorce proceedings were placed on hold until Aug. 1.

According to court records, Judge Kantor has set morning hearings, starting at 9 a.m. July 30 on the pending Horman divorce and Desiree Young's civil suit.

That would be followed by a hearing on Terri Horman's motion to contest the restraining order, with time set aside in the afternoon, starting at 2 p.m., for additional court proceedings in the case.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Amys Sister on July 30, 2013, 01:12:43 PM
Three years has gone by and there is still no word on where Kyron is. Why is that? This young man deserves to be found. Desiree deserves answers.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/971625_596089393756819_346404003_n.jpg)

 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 30, 2013, 01:56:57 PM
I'll try and post her statement asap.


http://www.kptv.com/story/22967375/mom-of-kyron-horman-plans-to-give-update-on-civil-case (http://www.kptv.com/story/22967375/mom-of-kyron-horman-plans-to-give-update-on-civil-case)

Mom of Kyron Horman plans to give update on civil case
Posted: Jul 30, 2013 10:05 AM PST Updated: Jul 30, 2013 10:54 AM PST

PORTLAND, OR (KPTV) -

Desiree Young, the mother of missing boy Kyron Horman, plans to deliver a statement Tuesday on her civil case against the boy's stepmother.

Her statement will be read in downtown Portland at 11:30 a.m.

Young filed a $10 million lawsuit against Terri Horman in June of last year. She said she wants Terri Horman to face justice in the 2010 disappearance of Kyron Horman.

 ::snipping3::




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 30, 2013, 01:59:31 PM
Oops! I didn't realize there was going to be a live stream. Sorry about that folks.

You can watch it here at 11:30 pst.

http://www.kptv.com/category/210121/watch-fox-12-live-video-stream (http://www.kptv.com/category/210121/watch-fox-12-live-video-stream)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on July 30, 2013, 02:35:42 PM
Oops! I didn't realize there was going to be a live stream. Sorry about that folks.

You can watch it here at 11:30 pst.

http://www.kptv.com/category/210121/watch-fox-12-live-video-stream (http://www.kptv.com/category/210121/watch-fox-12-live-video-stream)


Civil case dismissed. Terri still not cooperating. 

It was heart wrenching.   ::MonkeyTears::

Some notes from the Statement by both Desiree and her attorney:

Dede Spicher appeared before the Grand Jury this past week. An agreement was made with her attorney and she did NOT plead the fifth as she did before. Still an ongoing investigation.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Brandi on July 30, 2013, 03:37:22 PM
'With great disappointment:' Mom of Kyron Horman gives up on civil case
Posted: Jul 30, 2013 1:05 PM EDT Updated: Jul 30, 2013 3:31 PM EDT

PORTLAND, OR (KPTV) -

Desiree Young, the mother of missing Portland boy Kyron Horman, is dismissing her civil suit against Terri Horman because she said her case can't move forward without compromising the criminal investigation.

Young filed a $10 million lawsuit against Terri Horman in June of last year. She said she wanted Terri Horman to face justice in the 2010 disappearance of Kyron Horman.

But in a statement at the Justice Center in downtown Portland, Young announced Tuesday she is dismissing the case.

"Because my civil case cannot move forward without the police files, it is with great disappointment that I make this difficult decision," Young said.

She said the district attorney's office and police investigators have the same goals in bringing Kyron Horman home, and she fears her civil case could "get in the way of these goals."

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http://www.kptv.com/story/22967375/mom-of-kyron-horman-plans-to-give-update-on-civil-case


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Brandi on July 30, 2013, 03:45:37 PM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Image105-1.png~original)

Video of Desiree's statement at above link and here: http://www.kptv.com/story/22967375/mom-of-kyron-horman-plans-to-give-update-on-civil-case



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 30, 2013, 06:51:47 PM
Oops! I didn't realize there was going to be a live stream. Sorry about that folks.

You can watch it here at 11:30 pst.

http://www.kptv.com/category/210121/watch-fox-12-live-video-stream (http://www.kptv.com/category/210121/watch-fox-12-live-video-stream)


Civil case dismissed. Terri still not cooperating. 

It was heart wrenching.   ::MonkeyTears::

Some notes from the Statement by both Desiree and her attorney:

Dede Spicher appeared before the Grand Jury this past week. An agreement was made with her attorney and she did NOT plead the fifth as she did before. Still an ongoing investigation.

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on August 01, 2013, 04:58:46 AM

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/07/kyron_hormans_mother_to_drop_c.html

Kyron Horman's mother to drop civil suit in son's disappearance

July 30, 2013

R/O is to be dropped and a No-contact Oreder replaces it for the divorce….between Kaine and TMH

Houze/Bunch will now file motions for visitation.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on August 01, 2013, 05:02:57 AM

So, DeDe testified before the Grand Jury within the past couple of weeks.

It's being made to sound like DeDe "finally agreed to testify before the GJ".

I'm rusty on this case, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to remember that when DeDe appeared before the GJ the first time, that DeDe was not asked any questions or very few questions at that time, and it was intimated that she would be called in the future.

So, IIRC, then this was the first time that DeDe really was questioned by the GJ.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: klaasend on August 06, 2013, 07:44:24 PM
Don't miss the Dana Pretzer show tonight at 9pm ET

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/26c26fa1-8fa5-4253-971a-92c8a7c16486_zpsa5000918.jpg)

Click on the link below to listen to the show

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/radio.m3u


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Blink34 on August 08, 2013, 12:01:05 PM
Hi All-  It seems that Kyron's thread has not been very active for a while-  I realize no real information can be frustrating.

I published my new piece as I discussed on Dana's show- I am hopeful it will allow MCSO to re-think how they are managing Kyron's case- 3 years later.

http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/08/06/kyron-horman-exclusive-report-new-suspect-and-botched-investigation-rumors-abound-terri-horman-prepares-to-fight-for-couples-daughter-following-seclusion/


It hurts my heart to call out LE,  but Kyron deserves to be found,  egos be damned.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: CarolynV on August 08, 2013, 12:19:18 PM
Fascinating, Blink.  Thank you.  I hope it leads to a resolution.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on August 11, 2013, 04:30:07 AM
Indeed!!!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: cw618 on August 17, 2013, 06:43:48 PM
not sure if your following the convo at blinks,these vids and img
are great of the school hat tip to quizzical

quizzical says:
 August 16, 2013 at 12:47 am

PK-8 Late Opening
 When: Wednesday, May 15, 2013
 Description: Late Opening – Professional Development Time (schools start 2 hours late).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hkya075N0Q&feature=youtu.be
Recorded July 26, 2011, ??4:32:18 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CycfS62QXiA&feature=youtu.be
stills of vid
http://s1130.photobucket.com/user/quizzi1/library/School%20Video%20Image%20Captures?sort=9&page=1#/user/quizzi1/library/School%20Video%20Image%20Captures?sort=9&page=1&_suid=137663105580109277124629956769
source
http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/08/06/kyron-horman-exclusive-report-new-suspect-and-botched-investigation-rumors-abound-terri-horman-prepares-to-fight-for-couples-daughter-following-seclusion/comment-page-9/#comment-2180701


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on August 29, 2013, 02:28:51 AM
Harsh words in Kaine & Terri Horman divorce
August 27, 2013

(snip)
"There are a number of troubling aspects of husband's prior conduct and parental decisions," wrote lawyer Peter Bunch. "Husband and the police have perpetuated the dissemination of inaccurate information about the circumstances of the disappearance of Kyron Horman."

http://www.kgw.com/home/Gloves-come-off-in-divorce-between-Kaine-Terri-Horman--221410121.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: texasmom on August 31, 2013, 02:19:26 PM
http://www.kgw.com/news/Searchers-to-look-for-Kyron-on-Saturday-221893351.html

Volunteers to search for Kyron Horman Saturday

by Mike Benner & Rich Kurz
Bio | Email | Follow: @MikeBennerKGW
Posted on August 30, 2013 at 10:26 PM
Updated today at 9:03 AM

PORTLAND -- Kyron Horman’s mother, Desiree Young, told Newschannel 8 that a team of volunteers will search for the boy at an undisclosed location on Saturday.

While she didn’t say where they would be looking, she did say that the effort will include a team of K-9 units. Young also told KGW that she will speak to the media once the search has ended.

Horman has been missing since June 4, 2010. He was last seen at his school, Skyline Elementary, and was taken to class that day by his stepmother, Terri Horman. Kyron was seven years old at the time of his disappearance.

State and local police, along with the FBI, have searched repeatedly for him without success, and to date, no one has been charged in his disappearance.

 ::snipping3::

The Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office told Newschannel 8 that it was aware of the search, and that they hope the volunteers find something that helps to bring Kyron home. They also said that their investigation is ongoing.

Newschannel 8 and kgw.com will have continued updates throughout the day on Saturday.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Amys Sister on September 02, 2013, 01:14:39 AM
Desiree gives statement and answers questions regarding the search this weekend which involved ten canine teams and dozens of searchers from across the nation.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/Volunteers-search-for-Kyron-Horman-in-NW-Portland-221999791.html?tab=video&c=y



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Brandi on September 02, 2013, 10:38:44 AM
Desiree gives statement and answers questions regarding the search this weekend which involved ten canine teams and dozens of searchers from across the nation.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/Volunteers-search-for-Kyron-Horman-in-NW-Portland-221999791.html?tab=video&c=y



(http://media.katu.com/images/Kyron+Horman+volunteer+search+%281%29.jpg)

More pictures of the search in Northwest Portland on Sunday, Sept. 1 at: http://www.katu.com/news/local/Volunteers-search-for-Kyron-Horman-in-NW-Portland-221999791.html?tab=gallery&c=y


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: texasmom on September 02, 2013, 11:49:37 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/01/us/oregon-missing-boy/

Volunteers search for Oregon boy Kyron Horman, missing since 2010
By Leslie Holland, CNN
updated 2:54 AM EDT, Mon September 2, 2013

(CNN) -- Kyron Horman has been missing since June 4, 2010, but his mother is not giving up.

Desiree Young and volunteers spent "two solid days of searching" for her son this weekend, she said in a news conference Sunday in Portland, Oregon, calling the search "successful."

More than 100 volunteers, along with 10 search dog teams from around the country, joined the search effort in the Portland area, looking for evidence that might help solve Kyron's disappearance.

Kyron was 7 years old when he went missing. He was last seen by his stepmother, Terri Horman, who told police she had dropped him off at his school, Skyline Elementary.

Young was optimistic about the latest search, telling reporters, "we found a lot of things, and possibly evidence," but declined to give details, citing the ongoing criminal investigation.

Everything searchers found will go to law enforcement for further examination, she said.

Though Portland law enforcement was not part of this search, Young said she has been working closely with police and has been keeping them informed.

 ::snipping3::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 02, 2013, 01:24:33 PM
Could This Weekend’s Search Have Turned Up Possible Evidence for Missing Kyron Horman in Oregon

Desiree Young, the mother of missing Kyron Horman, stated that this weekend search for her son was successful.  More than 100 volunteers, two nonprofit organizations and 10 search dog teams from around the country, joined the search effort in the Portland, OR area to look for evidence that might help solve Kyron’s disappearance. Young said this weekend’s search turned up “a lot of things and possibly evidence,” but she would not elaborate on what items were found. Young remended everyone that there is on ongoing police instigation.  We can only hope that some clues were found that can finally solve the disappearance of Kyron Horman. The 7 year old went missing when he vanished from Skyline School on June 4, 2010. Kyron’s disappearance prompted the largest search in state history, but he was never found.

Posted September 2, 2013 by Scared Monkeys

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2013/09/02/could-this-weekends-search-have-turned-up-possible-evidence-for-missing-kyron-horman-in-oregon/#comments






Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: cw618 on September 04, 2013, 02:07:50 AM
JMO, could the perp and the witness(es) , have misinterpreted the nod
could the nod by ms. matthews have been an O.K., to another students
Q and not an O.K.,........  to can i, can he help me with/ from my car/truck
there is just something about a witness statement like this, and it gets
what seems like bottom rank treatment as credible......by LE
kyron going missing from inside his school/safe zone, and that type of
disappearance played down, be disappearance be by TH or an unknown
perp, has Peed me off from the minute i heard about it
as always jmo.

Quote
GraceintheHills says:

 September 3, 2013 at 8:25 pm

wpg says:
 September 3, 2013 at 1:30 pm
 Blink,
 
I am at a loss to understand how a teeny, tiny Kyron (or any child for that matter) would be given approval by a teacher to go outside the school, alone with an unknown man to physically assist an unknown fully-grown man.
 
W ;( T H
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 From the moment I read the witness(es) account(s), I have believed there is more to the story. I am not saying the witnesses were not truthful, just that one’s perception of an event can be distorted. I cannot imagine a teacher nowadays, with all we know about abductions, allowing a child to go with a perfect stranger she had never seen before. Could it be that the teacher or Kyron recognized the man? Do we absolutely know for sure that this was the last ime anyone saw Kyron in the building?
 
To my knowledge, inside the building, yes.
 B
http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/08/06/kyron-horman-exclusive-report-new-suspect-and-botched-investigation-rumors-abound-terri-horman-prepares-to-fight-for-couples-daughter-following-seclusion/comment-page-20/#comment-2192692


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on September 04, 2013, 05:18:46 AM

I'm so glad that Desiree was able to pull together such a great group and K-9's for a 2-day search.

Sounds like she was pleased with how it went.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Blink34 on September 04, 2013, 01:03:36 PM

So, DeDe testified before the Grand Jury within the past couple of weeks.

It's being made to sound like DeDe "finally agreed to testify before the GJ".

I'm rusty on this case, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to remember that when DeDe appeared before the GJ the first time, that DeDe was not asked any questions or very few questions at that time, and it was intimated that she would be called in the future.

So, IIRC, then this was the first time that DeDe really was questioned by the GJ.

You are correct Puzzler.

I am not sure I could believe what has gone on in this case if I had not conducted this interview and subsequent fact checking myself.

DeDe Spicher was telling the truth all along.

http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/09/04/blink-on-crime-kyron-horman-investigation-exclusive-terri-horman-friend-dede-spicher-breaks-her-silence-after-passing-polygraph-requests-da-clear-her-publicly/


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on September 04, 2013, 01:38:23 PM
Blink...thanks for the confirmation

and...

thanks SO much for the new article!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 04, 2013, 01:49:43 PM
WHY?  A little boy is missing!  Could it be that the lack of cooperation implies at the very least DeDe Spicher has knowledge regarding the disappearance of Kyron Horman.

Janet

++++++

Terri Horman's friend DeDe Spicher declines to answer any questions about Terri Horman in deposition
November 09, 2012


Desiree Young's lawyer has filed a motion asking a judge to compel DeDe Spicher, a friend of Terri Moulton Horman's, to answer his questions after she declined to answer 142 questions during a deposition he took earlier this month stemming from Young's civil lawsuit against Horman.

Multnomah County sheriff's investigators looking into the disappearance of Kyron Horman, a second-grader who went missing from Skyline School on June 4, 2010, were interested in the whereabouts of Spicher on that day.

Spicher declined to answer any questions posed by Young's lawyers on Oct. 5 that involved Terri Horman, Kyron's stepmom, or Kyron -- each time asserting her Fifth Amendment constitutional right not to incriminate herself.

Spicher also declined to answer questions about where she was on June 4, 2010.

"Are you aware that Kyron Horman has disappeared?" asked Young's lawyer, Elden Rosenthal.

"I'm asserting my Fifth Amendment right," Spicher replied, according to a transcript filed in Multnomah County Circuit Court.

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/10/terri_hormans_friend_dede_spic.html



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Blink34 on September 04, 2013, 01:59:58 PM
To Puzzler- thank you.

To Janet- not sure if you have had time to read my new piece,   I apologize for the length but there was no way I could shorten the content, and I still have a continuation, however-

It is an untrue statement to say that DeDe did not cooperate and answer questions.  She did so several times, and told everything she knew.  I do not think a US citizen should be bullied into taking a polly and make no mistake, they bullied her until she gave in,  but she has told them the same exact thing since day one.

B


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 04, 2013, 02:13:41 PM

So, DeDe testified before the Grand Jury within the past couple of weeks.

It's being made to sound like DeDe "finally agreed to testify before the GJ".

I'm rusty on this case, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to remember that when DeDe appeared before the GJ the first time, that DeDe was not asked any questions or very few questions at that time, and it was intimated that she would be called in the future.

So, IIRC, then this was the first time that DeDe really was questioned by the GJ.



At the Grand Jury hearings in June, 2010 ... it does appears that DeDe Spicher did open up and testify to some incriminating evidence regarding the morning Kyron Horman disappeared.  Her attorney stated at that time he would not be surprised if Terry Horman was arrested.

Could it be that DeDe may be the smoking gun that will bring this case to a close?  Could there be a plea deal that compelled DeDe to reveal more?

Janet

+++++++ 

Attorney: Spicher shared Terri Horman emails, texts with copsAttorney: Spicher shared Terri Horman emails, texts with cops
July 26, 2010


PORTLAND, Ore. -- DeDe Spicher, identified as a close friend of Terri Moulton-Horman, was called before a grand jury Monday in Multnomah County as part of the ongoing investigation into the disappearance of her step-son Kyron Horman.

Spicher's attorney told NBC Dateline that he would be "surprised" if Terri was not arrested in the case.

Grand jury proceedings are not open to the public or the media. However, Spicer's attorney did confirm that his client was subpoenaed to testify but did not give any testimony under oath Monday. He said she could be called back to testify in the future.

<snipped>

http://www.kgw.com/home/DeDe-Spicher-testifies-before-grand-jury-99252004-kyron-horman-missing-portland.html


Oprah Winfrey Show – January 27, 2008

BETH HOLLOWAY: We’ve never really relied on an investigative approach to find an answer to Natalee. I think what we’ve relied on more heavily is that at any given moment something unexpected could happen and we really feel anyone could talk at any moment.

http://www2.oprah.com/world/politics/slide/20080116/politics_284_203.jhtml


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 04, 2013, 02:15:01 PM
To Puzzler- thank you.

To Janet- not sure if you have had time to read my new piece,   I apologize for the length but there was no way I could shorten the content, and I still have a continuation, however-

It is an untrue statement to say that DeDe did not cooperate and answer questions.  She did so several times, and told everything she knew.  I do not think a US citizen should be bullied into taking a polly and make no mistake, they bullied her until she gave in,  but she has told them the same exact thing since day one.

B

Thanks Blink.

Janet


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 04, 2013, 02:43:25 PM
SOURCES?  TRUTH OR FICTION?

DeDe, Terri unaccounted for at same time on June 4
August 12, 2010


PORTLAND, Ore. -- DeDe Spicher and Terri Moulton-Horman were both unaccounted for during the same period of time the day Kyron Horman disappeared, based on information revealed by investigators and on information from KGW sources.

Sources tell KGW that DeDe Spicher, a close friend of Terri's, was doing gardening work not far from the Horman family home on the day Kyron disappeared, but was unaccounted for during a three-hour period from 10 a.m. to 1 p.m. She could not be reached by cell phone during this time either, according to sources.
 
Sources also tell KGW that, during the period of time DeDe was unaccounted for, her car remained at the property where she had been gardening. According to sources, that detail is significant because, if DeDe left the property as investigators believe, she would have had to leave in another vehicle.

<snipped>

The person who owns the house where Spicher gardened, who is cooperating with investigators, told investigators she called Spicher on her cell phone but she didn't answer, the source told KGW. A person who was working with Spicher, who is also cooperating with investigators, told them of trying to unsuccessfully find Spicher. Both people have told investigators they have no idea where Spicher was during that period of time.

http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/DeDe-Spicher-99077874.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 04, 2013, 03:32:03 PM
WHY?  A little boy is missing!  Could it be that the lack of cooperation implies at the very least DeDe Spicher has knowledge regarding the disappearance of Kyron Horman.

Janet

++++++

Terri Horman's friend DeDe Spicher declines to answer any questions about Terri Horman in deposition
November 09, 2012


Desiree Young's lawyer has filed a motion asking a judge to compel DeDe Spicher, a friend of Terri Moulton Horman's, to answer his questions after she declined to answer 142 questions during a deposition he took earlier this month stemming from Young's civil lawsuit against Horman.

Multnomah County sheriff's investigators looking into the disappearance of Kyron Horman, a second-grader who went missing from Skyline School on June 4, 2010, were interested in the whereabouts of Spicher on that day.

Spicher declined to answer any questions posed by Young's lawyers on Oct. 5 that involved Terri Horman, Kyron's stepmom, or Kyron -- each time asserting her Fifth Amendment constitutional right not to incriminate herself.

Spicher also declined to answer questions about where she was on June 4, 2010.

"Are you aware that Kyron Horman has disappeared?" asked Young's lawyer, Elden Rosenthal.

"I'm asserting my Fifth Amendment right," Spicher replied, according to a transcript filed in Multnomah County Circuit Court.

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/10/terri_hormans_friend_dede_spic.html



Kyron Horman case: Investigation remains 'high priority' as legal wrangling continues (video)
July 30, 2013


<snipped>

Young's attorneys already had questioned Terri Horman's son and Terri Horman's friend, DeDe Spicher, but Spicher declined to answer any significant questions during her deposition. Spicher has since testified in recent weeks before a grand jury, Young's lawyer, Elden Rosenthal, revealed Tuesday.

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/07/kyron_horman_case_investigatio.html




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 04, 2013, 04:28:49 PM

Kyron Horman's mother to drop civil suit in son's disappearance
July 30, 2013


Now, after emerging Tuesday morning from a closed-door status hearing before Judge Henry Kantor, Young and her attorney Elden Rosenthal confirmed that they've dropped the civil suit.

"It is with great disappointment that I make this difficult decision'" Young said.

Young spoke out on the steps of the Justice Center, the same site where she announced the filing of the civil suit a year earlier.

<snipped>

When announcing the civil suit a year ago, Rosenthal pledged to use all the tools that are afforded to him in a civil case "to peel away the layers of mystery surrounding Kyron's disappearance.''

For the civil case to proceed, Rosenthal said both parties to it would need to review the criminal investigative file and documents.

"We don't want to do anything to impede the case," Rosenthal said.

Asked if he could have foreseen this a year ago when he filed the civil suit amid the ongoing criminal inquiry, Rosenthal declined comment.

“In order for my lawyers to move forward with the case at this point, it would be necessary for them to seek access to the police criminal investigation files,” Young said. “My lawyers have advised me that the Oregon Public Records Disclosure Law does not provide the release of ongoing police investigation files.”

“I don’t want anything to compromise the ongoing investigation for Kyron,” Young said. “For these reasons, I have instructed my attorneys to dismiss the civil case.”

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/07/kyron_hormans_mother_to_drop_c.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Wyks on September 04, 2013, 04:33:42 PM
To Puzzler- thank you.

To Janet- not sure if you have had time to read my new piece,   I apologize for the length but there was no way I could shorten the content, and I still have a continuation, however-

It is an untrue statement to say that DeDe did not cooperate and answer questions.  She did so several times, and told everything she knew.  I do not think a US citizen should be bullied into taking a polly and make no mistake, they bullied her until she gave in,  but she has told them the same exact thing since day one.

B

Good info, Blink.  Thank you much.  Looking forward to the next part. 

Interesting info, in light of ... the truth. 

Sad how many good readers/posters were bullied and run off, from here and elsewhere, who simply kept suggesting that folks look outside the box, to something other than what the public was being led to believe.  Especially those of us who know for fact all about that particular LE, and the way they have conducted business in the past. 

Sadder yet is that even if an independent team is assigned at this point, it's probably too late to find out what happened with Kyron.  The investigators, from the first moment on.. ie: the supposed crime scene -- the school.. allowed/demanded folks to tromp all over, thus destroying any and all possible evidence in those critical first hours of searching. Remember how, in the first few hours they were telling parents/visitors to meet back at the school to report in, sign in, be questioned?  Remember how, many of us were wondering why are they having them meet back at the school?  And why no statement from the school themselves, early on?  (ever?)  Seems to many that it went from that into coverup mode very quickly, which seemingly was allowed or encouraged (?) by LE themselves.

Shaking head sadly... Tears for Kyron, and those who love him. 

 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 04, 2013, 04:35:25 PM
I can't help but believe that Kyron Horman's parents had valid information regarding DeDe Spicher ... valid information that formed the foundation of their joint statement.

Janet

++++++

Investigators put pressure on Terri Horman's friends
Jul 24, 2010

<snipped>

Then on Thursday night, Kyron’s biological parents released a statement that said law enforcement told them that Spicher is not cooperating with them.

“We have been informed that they have identified a person that has been in close communication with Terri Moulton Horman since Kyron went missing and her name is DeDe Spicher,” they wrote. “She has not only been in close communication with Terri but has been providing Terri with support and advice that is not in the best interests of our son.  Additional information provided shows that she is refusing to cooperate with law enforcement, she is also going as far as to suggest to others that may have information regarding Kyron’s disappearance, not to cooperate as well.”

They went on to implore Spicher to cooperate with police.

<snipped>

http://www.katu.com/news/local/99146044.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 05, 2013, 01:53:08 PM
Blink

Why did DeDe Spicher "agree to an immunity deal" with prosecutors?

Janet

++++++


Kyron Horman case: DeDe Spicher says she's 'unofficially' cleared in boy's disappearance
September 04, 2013


A friend of Kyron Horman's stepmother, DeDe Spicher, claims she has been unofficially cleared of suspicion in connection with the boy's disappearance, according to a crime blog.

Spicher told blinkoncrime.com that she testified before a Multnomah County grand jury in July, passed a polygraph test and agreed to an immunity deal with prosecutors.

She said she doesn't know anything about the 7-year-old's disappearance in June 2010 and hasn't spoken to Kyron's stepmother, Terri Moulton Horman, since March 2010. Spicher said she doesn't believe the stepmother is involved.

Spicher also proclaimed her innocence in a 2010 interview with People magazine.  

Spicher declined comment when contacted by The Oregonian Wednesday. She referred all questions to her attorney, Chad Stavley, who also declined comment.

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http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/09/kyron_horman_case_dede_spicher.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 05, 2013, 01:57:33 PM
DeDe Spicher tells crime blog she's cooperated in Kyron case
Sep 5, 2013


PORTLAND, Ore. – The friend Terri Horman, stepmother of missing Kyron Horman, wants her name cleared.

DeDe Spicher spoke exclusively to a relatively obscure website, blinkoncrime.com, in a post published Wednesday.

The website reports Spicher says she's cooperated with the investigation since Kyron disappeared and that she passed a polygraph test taken in July.

 According to the website, investigators have "unofficially cleared" Spicher of any involvement in the disappearance of Kyron and Spicher hopes the Multnomah County district attorney will issue a statement publicly clearing her.

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http://www.katu.com/news/local/DeDe-Spicher-tells-crime-blog-shes-cooperated-in-Kyron-case-222466261.html



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 05, 2013, 02:19:03 PM
Blink

Your interview with Dede left me with some unanswered questions.

Considering Dede had only a "casual" relationship with Terri prior to the disappearance of Kyron ... why is she so certain that Terri is not hiding something?

A little boy is missing.  Why would Dede not agree to assist authorities in a sting?

Again ... Why was Dede given immunity from the prosecutors?

Blink ... I can appreciate that you may not be authorized to clarify some of my queries.

Thanks

Janet

+++++


Dede Spicher says she passed polygraph, has immunity in Kyron case
September 5, 2013


<snipped>

In an online article, Dede Spicher claims she has passed a polygraph, signed an immunity deal with prosecutors, and agreed to "tell all" before the grand jury investigating the case.

Those new details were first reported in theonline blog blinkoncrime.com.

Spicher spoke exclusively to the website’s editor-in-chief but KGW independently confirmed the interview took place.

In the article, Spicher says she's been unfairly portrayed and that she has been cooperative with investigators. She says her only request was that her attorney be present during police interviews, and that her account has never wavered.

Spicher claims she had nothing to do with Kyron's disappearance and she was at work the day he disappeared from Skyline School on June 4, 2010. Spicher told People Magazine in 2010 she and Terri had "nothing to hide."

Spicher says she was first called before a Multnomah County grand jury in July of 2010, but prosecutors never asked her any questions.

Two months ago, she appeared again, this time testifying for five and a half hours. Afterward, she agreed to take a lie detector test.

"She passed a polygraph, you know, confirming everything that she has been saying which frankly everything she has been saying for the past three and a half years was true," said S. Christina Stoy, Editor in Chief of blinkoncrime.com in an interview with KGW.

The online article says that, as recently as last week, investigators talked to Dede Spicher about conducting a sting on Terri Horman. Spicher declined.

Spicher says she hasn't spoke with Kyron's stepmother in three years, and she doesn't believe Terri is responsible.

In an October 2012 deposition, Spicher pleaded the 5th to a number questions about the Kyron case. The questions ranged from Kyron's disappearance to whether she was a friend of Terri Horman

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http://www.krem.com/news/northwest-news/222530491.html




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 05, 2013, 02:51:24 PM
Blink ... I apologize.   I read your blog again and ... if I comprehended correctly ... the immunity had nothing to do with the Kyron Horman case.

Janet


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on September 06, 2013, 06:20:16 AM
Blink ... I apologize.   I read your blog again and ... if I comprehended correctly ... the immunity had nothing to do with the Kyron Horman case.

Janet


Janet, I think you need to go back and read Blink's article carefully.  Her article answers the questions you have asked above.  The next thing I would suggest is that you read Blink's comment section with her answers bolded that reiterate her answers to the questions above.

Thanks.

 "teddybear2::





Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Amys Sister on September 06, 2013, 12:08:20 PM
Sassifrass... I miss your input.   ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 07, 2013, 12:26:34 PM


Could "implicating herself in possible criminal matters" be the reason that Terri Horman failed to contest the custody of her then infant daughter ... custody that was awarded to Kaine Horman based on his own unchallenged claim that Terri was an unfit mother.

Janet

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Terri Horman's Attorney
October 7, 2010


<snipped>

Peter Bunch, Terri Horman's attorney, has been arguing for nearly an hour in a Multnomah County courtroom pleading with judge Keith Meisenheimer to abate the divorce proceedings.

Bunch argued that Terri's fifth amendment rights - implicating herself in possible criminal matters - would be violated.

He maintained that any information gleaned from divorce proceedings would be used as "fodder" for the state in its ongoing criminal investigation.

Conversely, Bunch said the state wouldn't turn over information that may be pertinent to divorce proceedings.

<snipped>
 
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/UPDATE-from-COURTROOM-Arguments-heard-in-Terri/GonG6-VnTkmaYBikdxxq7Q.cspx


Kaine fears daughter saw unimaginable horror
Oct 27, 2010


<snipped>

Kaine also stated in the filing that it was common for Terri to be visibly impaired from alcohol, including slurred speech and a staggering gait.

Kaine states that Terri spent most nights sleeping on the living room couch with their young daughter, typically "passed out from heavily drinking." Kaine also stated their young daughter was often "up past midnight playing and/or watching TV." The court document states that their daughter Kiara would often be up and awake at 1 a.m. while Terri "was asleep from alcohol."

<snipped>

http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/Kaine-Horman-Terri-unfit-105734863.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 07, 2013, 02:17:58 PM
Why has Terri ... for three years ... failed to contest the restraining orders ... restraining orders that has preventing her access to her daughter?

Why did DeDe claim the Fifth when questioned in a deposition pertaining to the lawsuit?

Janet

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Judge renews restraining order against Terri Horman
June 21, 2013


PORTLAND, Ore. - The father of Kyron Horman, a young boy who disappeared three years ago at the age of 7, was granted a renewed restraining order against his estranged wife.

Kaine Horman filed for divorce from Terri Horman shortly after the disappearance of his son, Kyron Horman, but those proceedings were delayed and the two are still married. Terri was the boy's stepmother.

<snipped>

Terri Horman's lawyers argued against renewing the restraining order, saying Kaine Horman's petition was based on hearsay. But the judge signed it anyway, based in part, he said, on the notion that it had already been granted three years in a row and circumstances between Kaine and Terri have not changed much.

Terri Horman's lawyers said she plans to contest the restraining order renewal, which is a first. She has not contested it previously.

<snipped>

In November, prosecutors convinced a judge to put a halt to a civil suit brought by Kyron's biological mother, Desiree Young. Prosecutors claimed the suit could hurt their investigation.

Last June, Young filed a $10 million civil suit against Terri Horman, hoping to force Horman and her friend, Dede Spicher, to testify under oath about what happened to Kyron.

But Spicher invoked her Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination more than 140 times during a deposition.  A judge was getting close to ruling whether Spicher can remain silent and that's when the Multnomah County district attorney and sheriff's office asked the judge to halt the civil case before she could be forced to take the stand, triggering immunity in a criminal case.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/Kyron-Hormans-parents-due-for-court-appearance-today-212508111.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Blink34 on September 07, 2013, 02:24:00 PM
Janet, you asked:

Blink

Your interview with Dede left me with some unanswered questions.

Considering Dede had only a "casual" relationship with Terri prior to the disappearance of Kyron ... why is she so certain that Terri is not hiding something?

A little boy is missing.  Why would Dede not agree to assist authorities in a sting?

Again ... Why was Dede given immunity from the prosecutors?

Blink ... I can appreciate that you may not be authorized to clarify some of my queries.

Thanks

Janet



From Me:

She has never said she is certain that Th is not hiding something.   What she has said is that she had no information about whether she is or not, and she herself was not involved with anything surrounding Kyron's disappearance nor did she have any info about anyone else who might.  If Terri knew something, or was involved, she never shared it with DeDe nor did she involve her.  This was concluded to be truthful via her polygraph exam.  It was no different than what she told investigators from her first interview.


This is my opinion as to why I believe DDS did not participate in a sting.  For starters, they asked her to do so outside the presence of her counsel when she had just fulfilled her last obligation under her agreement, which was for transactional immunity.   LE spent 3 years hounding this woman, the prosecutor threatened to charge her on more than one occasion and to be perfectly clear-  she had not spoken or been in touch with TH since July 2010.  Three years later these investigators were of the opinion that TH, who is represented as well, was going to take her call and spill her guts after the world already knew she had testified before the grand jury?  

I do not believe that for a minute.  

I believe that LE had so alienated her with their tactics and disbelief of her that when she passed the polygraph they were stunned.   She had a very reasonable concern that said "sting" was a way to entrap her into a fresh new hell with them.   I completely and totally agree with her in that regard and that is partially why she has spoken out finally.  She has a genuine fear that truly NOT having the answers LE was so sure she did, and allowed them to keep TH as their suspect three years later, that someone was going to have to tell the bus it was bust.  She wants her story to forward the investigation appropriately.

I know I hear people say, well she should have just done it you never know.  Respecfully, I am here to tell you I would absolutely never have put my civil liberties in the hands of these men for anything.

Can anyone imagine how desperate a situation this investigation must be in at this point?  It needs oversight immediately.  I would not at all be surprised if the Dept of Justice  alerts MCSO that they are investigating the investigation.  They should.  

Otherwise, someone has to step in and say we may be looking in the wrong place, and have been all along and start over.

In terms of immunity,  I believe they all agreed to immunity because they believed she had answers she was not giving them to protect her 5th ammendment right against self-incrimination.  They were wrong because she never knew anything and they did not believe her.  She could have chosen to sit in the chair and plead the 5th for every question, so in that sense, I do think they at least intended for her testimony to help a true bill against TH.     Again, I would have done the same in her position.  If you know upfront that the intention of LE is to charge you with something instead of excluding you as a POI, what choice would anyone have?

They [LE] shoulder this blame, imo.





Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 07, 2013, 03:19:08 PM
Thanks Blink.  I may be a sceptic regarding DeDe but I do appreciate all your efforts encompassing the Kyron Horman case.

I could have it all wrong but ... when I read the archives I am still a believer on so many levels that DeDe played a part in the disappearance of Kyron Horman.  I am one with Kyron's parents.  Could it be that when all is said a done ... a plea deal will be negotiated with with LE and DeDe's testimony will blow this case wide open?

Coincidence?  Both Terri and DeDe are off the grid between 11:15 AM and 1:00 PM on the morning Kyron went missing.  Terri claims she was driving rural roads with Kiara who had an ear-ache.  DeDe claims she was hidden amongst tall grass; preoccupied with her gardening task beside the road when a co-worker called out in an attempted to locate her.  Then there were the words of your very own sources:

Kyron Horman Missing and Endangered: Grand Jury Meets, Indictment Imminent
July 2010 3:16 pm


<snipped>

According to several sources, DeDe Spicher, Terri’s roommate  post Kaine’s restraining order,  was working in a garden near the Horman home the day of Kyron’s disappearance when she received a call at approximately 11:15 am. She left abruptly, returning at approximately 1:00 pm. DeDe was unreachable on her cell phone during that time and the property owner became concerned. Spicher is a long time friend and workout companion of Horman’s.

<snipped>

http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/07/26/kyron-horman-missing-and-endangered-grand-jury-meets-indictment-imminent/


Investigators put pressure on Terri Horman's friends
Jul 24, 2010


<snipped>

Then on Thursday night, Kyron’s biological parents released a statement that said law enforcement told them that Spicher is not cooperating with them.

“We have been informed that they have identified a person that has been in close communication with Terri Moulton Horman since Kyron went missing and her name is DeDe Spicher,” they wrote. “She has not only been in close communication with Terri but has been providing Terri with support and advice that is not in the best interests of our son.  Additional information provided shows that she is refusing to cooperate with law enforcement, she is also going as far as to suggest to others that may have information regarding Kyron’s disappearance, not to cooperate as well.”

They went on to implore Spicher to cooperate with police.

<snipped>

http://www.katu.com/news/local/99146044.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 07, 2013, 04:55:44 PM
To Puzzler- thank you.

To Janet- not sure if you have had time to read my new piece,   I apologize for the length but there was no way I could shorten the content, and I still have a continuation, however-

It is an untrue statement to say that DeDe did not cooperate and answer questions.  She did so several times, and told everything she knew.  I do not think a US citizen should be bullied into taking a polly and make no mistake, they bullied her until she gave in,  but she has told them the same exact thing since day one.

B


Blink

I am looking forward to the continuation of the interview/article.  Maybe something will click that will cause me to rethink my position my position that implies DeDe Spicher may have been a participant in the events encompassing the disappearance of Kyron Horman or at the very least has knowledge?

Janet

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Terri Horman's friend DeDe Spicher declines to answer any questions about Terri Horman in deposition
October 23, 2012


<snipped>

Desiree Young's lawyer has filed a motion asking a judge to compel DeDe Spicher, a friend of Terri Moulton Horman's, to answer his questions after she declined to answer 142 questions during a deposition he took earlier this month stemming from Young's civil lawsuit against Horman.

<snipped>

Spicher declined to answer any questions posed by Young's lawyers on Oct. 5 that involved Terri Horman, Kyron's stepmom, or Kyron -- each time asserting her Fifth Amendment constitutional right not to incriminate herself.

Spicher also declined to answer questions about where she was on June 4, 2010.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/10/terri_hormans_friend_dede_spic.html

http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/DeDe-watermarked-1.pdf


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on September 07, 2013, 04:59:16 PM
Sassifrass... I miss your input.   ::HelloKitty::

Hi Amy's Sister!  ::MonkeyKiss::

I hope all is well with you. I've been so busy this past year, but I'm finally catching up with everything Kyron.

Yes I do have opinions and input with the latest info; from the recent civil suit being dismissed, to the recent Dede and the prior blog release. For now, I will refrain from commenting. It will come though.

I commend Desiree for taking things into her own hands and focusing on searches for Kyron. These K-9 teams, along with the Klaas Foundation are fabulous for volunteering their time to help bring Kyron home and I'm so thankful for their efforts.

I also thought it was great to hear that the gofundme site that is raising money for the searches, will be posting an accounting of their dollars spent so far. Something Kaine has not done.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Blink34 on September 08, 2013, 02:00:08 AM
Great to see you sassi!

May I ask why you wish to refrain from comment on SM, when I have read your thoughts on the other forums which you post?

Respectfully submitted- would be most fruitful to the conversation here, imo.

Cheers, glad to hear you are well.

B


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on September 08, 2013, 07:29:13 AM
Great to see you sassi!

May I ask why you wish to refrain from comment on SM, when I have read your thoughts on the other forums which you post?

Respectfully submitted- would be most fruitful to the conversation here, imo.

Cheers, glad to hear you are well.

B


Hello Blink.

Not sure why you think I am posting on other forums because SM is the only one I post on, when I do post. I was a member of WS, but never posted there.

Take care.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: klaasend on September 08, 2013, 01:51:59 PM
IMO these days forum = blog = facebook = comment section on websites = twitter ......etc - MOST of us post our opinions on more than one place on the internet, including me  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on September 08, 2013, 02:51:17 PM
IMO these days forum = blog = facebook = comment section on websites = twitter ......etc - MOST of us post our opinions on more than one place on the internet, including me  ::MonkeyCool::

Hey Klaas.  ::dogwag::

That would be a true statement if you think about it. Having concurred with you on that, I don't post on blogs or websites. Don't have a twitter account. Yes I do have FB with a VERY small group of people on my friends list (40), and the majority of them are friends from back east. I don't know the last time I commented about Kyrons case on there, but it has been a long time. I had been out of the loop for quite a  while because I've been so busy. I doubt very seriously if Blink is in that circle of friends, so that is why I said something. Didn't want to ignore her post.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on September 09, 2013, 11:14:57 AM
Happy Birthday Kyron!  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on September 09, 2013, 12:28:45 PM
 ::MonkeyTears::

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Missing-Kyron-Horman/125336750831264?ref=stream&hc_location=stream (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Missing-Kyron-Horman/125336750831264?ref=stream&hc_location=stream)

A Message from Kyron's Mom, Desiree, on Kyron's 11th Birthday.


My Sweetie,
11 years ago you came into my life, you saved me that day. You taught me to cherish all of the moments in life even if they are, at times, difficult to get through. You taught me that, "this too shall pass." You also taught Quinn and I how to hug more and to cherish those little moments.

I remember our jokes about our "little" family, but we can always smile and laugh at our small tight knit little family. No matter how small or big, family is the most important thing. They get you through the hard times.

I was talking about your laugh the other day and I could almost hear you as I remembered how you and Quinn just look at each other and make one another laugh. Our family is broken without you, we can't laugh the same. Our joy is missing, you are the joy that is missing from our home. All of the laughter and the noises you brought into our home is missing and the silence is deafening. I miss you so much.

I wish I could've brought you home for your birthday, I am so sorry I failed.

I pray you come home soon, my Ky, our hearts miss you so much.

Love,
Momma


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Amys Sister on September 09, 2013, 02:05:48 PM
I'm a lot like you Sassi.  No Twitter, lots of FB friends but we don't discuss Kyron.  SM and BOC are the only places I've gone the last three years for my information about this lost sweet baby.  I went to the anti Terri page once but it was so vicious I did not go back... just didn't seem like a good place to get facts.

Until today.  I just went to Tom's FB page and read his posts about Dede's interview.  I went to the anti Dede page and read the posts there.  Dare I say it... Tom's posts actually make sense.

What bothers me is that no one but Blink is willing to talk about this man who removed Kyron from the school!  Until Desiree, Kaine, Tom, the anti's, the media, LE are willing to admit that a stranger actually took Kyron then they become less credible.

Sassi, you had received some information about the person who walked out of Skyline with Kyron.  You got some heat for doing so and I'm wondering if in spite of that you would be willing to talk about that again? 

Looking forward to hearing your take on all of this.   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on September 09, 2013, 03:36:14 PM
I'm a lot like you Sassi.  No Twitter, lots of FB friends but we don't discuss Kyron.  SM and BOC are the only places I've gone the last three years for my information about this lost sweet baby.  I went to the anti Terri page once but it was so vicious I did not go back... just didn't seem like a good place to get facts.

Until today.  I just went to Tom's FB page and read his posts about Dede's interview.  I went to the anti Dede page and read the posts there.  Dare I say it... Tom's posts actually make sense.

What bothers me is that no one but Blink is willing to talk about this man who removed Kyron from the school!  Until Desiree, Kaine, Tom, the anti's, the media, LE are willing to admit that a stranger actually took Kyron then they become less credible.

Sassi, you had received some information about the person who walked out of Skyline with Kyron.  You got some heat for doing so and I'm wondering if in spite of that you would be willing to talk about that again? 

Looking forward to hearing your take on all of this.   ::MonkeyKiss::

Hey Amy's Sister!

I have not seen TJ FB page. Do you have a link to it? There are so many Tom Jones' in Oregon. I saw one that is in Klamath but he looks too old and I didn't see anything about Dede on his page. I won't comment on that until I read it. You can surely understand that.

As far as your comment about "a stranger" taking Kyron from the school, factually, we don't know that. Kyron could have met this person at some point. He spoke his name and Kyron responded.

Regarding the "heat" and it's influence on me making comments or thoughts about that day, I'm not sure how to answer that. From the very beginning, this case was about finding Kyron. That was my focus. Yes I released information that was not public, but I did it for the main purpose of bringing Kyron home. It does not help Kyrons case if this response is revisited.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Amys Sister on September 09, 2013, 04:12:03 PM
I'm a lot like you Sassi.  No Twitter, lots of FB friends but we don't discuss Kyron.  SM and BOC are the only places I've gone the last three years for my information about this lost sweet baby.  I went to the anti Terri page once but it was so vicious I did not go back... just didn't seem like a good place to get facts.

Until today.  I just went to Tom's FB page and read his posts about Dede's interview.  I went to the anti Dede page and read the posts there.  Dare I say it... Tom's posts actually make sense.

What bothers me is that no one but Blink is willing to talk about this man who removed Kyron from the school!  Until Desiree, Kaine, Tom, the anti's, the media, LE are willing to admit that a stranger actually took Kyron then they become less credible.

Sassi, you had received some information about the person who walked out of Skyline with Kyron.  You got some heat for doing so and I'm wondering if in spite of that you would be willing to talk about that again? 

Looking forward to hearing your take on all of this.   ::MonkeyKiss::

Hey Amy's Sister!

I have not seen TJ FB page. Do you have a link to it? There are so many Tom Jones' in Oregon. I saw one that is in Klamath but he looks too old and I didn't see anything about Dede on his page. I won't comment on that until I read it. You can surely understand that.

As far as your comment about "a stranger" taking Kyron from the school, factually, we don't know that. Kyron could have met this person at some point. He spoke his name and Kyron responded.

Regarding the "heat" and it's influence on me making comments or thoughts about that day, I'm not sure how to answer that. From the very beginning, this case was about finding Kyron. That was my focus. Yes I released information that was not public, but I did it for the main purpose of bringing Kyron home. It does not help Kyrons case if this response is revisited.



You had what you thought was a valid description of the suspect.  I am at a loss as to why this description and the fact that Kyron left with a male is being withheld, which is why I asked.  How can revisiting this information not help Kyron?

Perhaps Kyron knew the man who took him, that is a good question and one many of us have wondered. 

Thanks for your input, Sassifrass. 


 



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on September 09, 2013, 04:27:19 PM
Amy's Sister:

I'm not talking about not revisiting the information.It of course needs to be revisited. I was talking about not revisiting the "heat", as you stated. This needs to be a team effort.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Amys Sister on September 09, 2013, 04:37:49 PM
I didn't want to revisit that either and I wasn't asking you to.  I'm not sure why you got that impression?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on September 09, 2013, 04:42:59 PM
I didn't want to revisit that either and I wasn't asking you to.  I'm not sure why you got that impression?

Guess I misunderstood.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I just don't know what you want me to say about this man? What do you want to know that I can answer, if I can. Also, do you have a link to TJ's FB page?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Amys Sister on September 09, 2013, 05:11:41 PM
Never mind Sassifrass.  If you have nothing to say about the unknown suspect then there is nothing I want you to say.

Dede gave an interview and Tom responded.  I have not formed an opinion on it.  To be clear, Tom directs comments to Blink so I am apprehensive about posting this link because I have a lot of respect for Blink. 

If the mods here do not want this posted I support your choice to delete it.

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100006495705353&fref=ts


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on September 09, 2013, 05:59:20 PM
Never mind Sassifrass.  If you have nothing to say about the unknown suspect then there is nothing I want you to say.

Dede gave an interview and Tom responded.  I have not formed an opinion on it.  To be clear, Tom directs comments to Blink so I am apprehensive about posting this link because I have a lot of respect for Blink. 

If the mods here do not want this posted I support your choice to delete it.

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100006495705353&fref=ts

Amy's Sister:

You have to realize that I was blatantly tore to shreds by posting that info prior. Soon after, I left the Kyron thread and started working on other cases, of which I have made tremendous strides. I have not forgotten about Kyron. Not for one day. Not for one minute. My hands are tied and I hope that you can put yourself in my place and understand my hesitation.

Kyron deserves to be brought home. You, along with many others, have continued this fight. I admire you for that. With that said, I haven't given up on him or his case. I just want harmony withing the discussion.

I may be wrong, and please correct me if I am, but it seems like you are feeling angry because I'm not coming out and giving exact details of what I was told. I have over 1,000 emails on this case from various people. Some are theories, and some are source related. Do you want opinions or do you want facts as I know them? I'm certainly confused. YOU asked me and I responded.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on September 09, 2013, 06:13:18 PM
I'm a lot like you Sassi.  No Twitter, lots of FB friends but we don't discuss Kyron.  SM and BOC are the only places I've gone the last three years for my information about this lost sweet baby.  I went to the anti Terri page once but it was so vicious I did not go back... just didn't seem like a good place to get facts.

Until today.  I just went to Tom's FB page and read his posts about Dede's interview.  I went to the anti Dede page and read the posts there.  Dare I say it... Tom's posts actually make sense.

What bothers me is that no one but Blink is willing to talk about this man who removed Kyron from the school!  Until Desiree, Kaine, Tom, the anti's, the media, LE are willing to admit that a stranger actually took Kyron then they become less credible.

Sassi, you had received some information about the person who walked out of Skyline with Kyron.  You got some heat for doing so and I'm wondering if in spite of that you would be willing to talk about that again? 

Looking forward to hearing your take on all of this.   ::MonkeyKiss::

BBM: Amy's Sister:

I quickly scanned that FB link of TJ and I can tell you, without a doubt, that is NOT TJ. I followed him from the very beginning and his verbiage and use of words were, well let's just say, of a lower education. He used a lot of curse words and many, many misspellings. Everyone has a pattern to the way they write/post. This is NOT TJ.

It's some idiot that wants to try and light a fire under Blink and she's smart enough to ignore it. Just giving you my opinion.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Amys Sister on September 09, 2013, 07:58:47 PM
Never mind Sassifrass.  If you have nothing to say about the unknown suspect then there is nothing I want you to say.

Dede gave an interview and Tom responded.  I have not formed an opinion on it.  To be clear, Tom directs comments to Blink so I am apprehensive about posting this link because I have a lot of respect for Blink. 

If the mods here do not want this posted I support your choice to delete it.

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100006495705353&fref=ts

Amy's Sister:

You have to realize that I was blatantly tore to shreds by posting that info prior. Soon after, I left the Kyron thread and started working on other cases, of which I have made tremendous strides. I have not forgotten about Kyron. Not for one day. Not for one minute. My hands are tied and I hope that you can put yourself in my place and understand my hesitation.

Kyron deserves to be brought home. You, along with many others, have continued this fight. I admire you for that. With that said, I haven't given up on him or his case. I just want harmony withing the discussion.

I may be wrong, and please correct me if I am, but it seems like you are feeling angry because I'm not coming out and giving exact details of what I was told. I have over 1,000 emails on this case from various people. Some are theories, and some are source related. Do you want opinions or do you want facts as I know them? I'm certainly confused. YOU asked me and I responded.

Not angry at all darlin'.  I just didn't want to play around so I went direct is all.  I honestly meant if you didn't want to talk about it just say so, so thank you for saying so.  :)

I also didn't expect you to look at Tom Jones FB page or give input on it if you didn't want to but you asked for the page so I posted it.

No hard feelings whatsoever.  I completely understand where you are coming from with regards to no longer wanting to post in this thread if you are not comfortable doing so.  Take care.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 09, 2013, 10:07:37 PM
I'm a lot like you Sassi.  No Twitter, lots of FB friends but we don't discuss Kyron.  SM and BOC are the only places I've gone the last three years for my information about this lost sweet baby.  I went to the anti Terri page once but it was so vicious I did not go back... just didn't seem like a good place to get facts.

Until today.  I just went to Tom's FB page and read his posts about Dede's interview.  I went to the anti Dede page and read the posts there.  Dare I say it... Tom's posts actually make sense.

What bothers me is that no one but Blink is willing to talk about this man who removed Kyron from the school!  Until Desiree, Kaine, Tom, the anti's, the media, LE are willing to admit that a stranger actually took Kyron then they become less credible.

Sassi, you had received some information about the person who walked out of Skyline with Kyron.  You got some heat for doing so and I'm wondering if in spite of that you would be willing to talk about that again? 

Looking forward to hearing your take on all of this.   ::MonkeyKiss::


Amys Sister

Could it be that Kyron did not leave the school with Terri?  Could it be that he quietly left the school unnoticed with someone ... someone he knew.

When I consider that Terri did not challenge the restraining order that denied her access to her home and ... the custody ruling that denied her access to her daughter ... I can only assume that there was stuff that Terri did not want revealed.

Janet

+++++


Terri Horman agrees to leave house
July 12, 2012


<snipped>

The question whether more than one person was involved in Kyron's disappearance came up last week in interviews with Kaine Horman and Kyron's mother, Desiree.
 
Desiree told CNN that she believes that someone in addition to Terri Horman was involved in her son's disappearance
and that Terri did not act alone.

"I don't think so," Desiree said, "Honestly, she didn't take out a contract on her husband alone, so I think she
would need help.

Desiree was making reference to a murder-for-hire plot that came out in restraining order documents made public.
The documents said Terri had tried to convince a landscaper late in 2009 to kill Kaine.

<snipped>

http://www.kgw.com/news/Desiree-Young-on-Terri-Moulton-I-know-shes-lying-98075814.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 10, 2013, 12:03:18 AM
Kyron Horman stepmom to fight restraining order
July 26, 2013


PORTLAND – The stepmother of missing Portland boy Kyron Horman is fighting to stop the renewal of a restraining order against her, according to a newspaper report.

Terri Horman’s estranged husband, Kaine Horman, filed for the extension. He claims Terri Horman is responsible for the disappearance of his 7-year-old son from Skyline Elementary in July, 2010.

Kaine Horman also said police told him that Terri Horman had tried to hire someone to kill him.

<snipped>

As first reported by KGW’s news partner The Oregonian, Terri Horman's lawyers are calling that assertion hearsay and they want to interview Kaine Horman. They also want to interview one of the investigators in the case, according to the report.

This would be the first time Terri Horman has contested the restraining order since it was filed in 2010.

http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/Kyron-Horman-stepmom-to-fight-restraining-order-217121081.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: texasmom on September 10, 2013, 12:47:32 AM
::MonkeyTears::

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Missing-Kyron-Horman/125336750831264?ref=stream&hc_location=stream (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Missing-Kyron-Horman/125336750831264?ref=stream&hc_location=stream)

A Message from Kyron's Mom, Desiree, on Kyron's 11th Birthday.


My Sweetie,
11 years ago you came into my life, you saved me that day. You taught me to cherish all of the moments in life even if they are, at times, difficult to get through. You taught me that, "this too shall pass." You also taught Quinn and I how to hug more and to cherish those little moments.

I remember our jokes about our "little" family, but we can always smile and laugh at our small tight knit little family. No matter how small or big, family is the most important thing. They get you through the hard times.

I was talking about your laugh the other day and I could almost hear you as I remembered how you and Quinn just look at each other and make one another laugh. Our family is broken without you, we can't laugh the same. Our joy is missing, you are the joy that is missing from our home. All of the laughter and the noises you brought into our home is missing and the silence is deafening. I miss you so much.

I wish I could've brought you home for your birthday, I am so sorry I failed.

I pray you come home soon, my Ky, our hearts miss you so much.

Love,
Momma

(https://sphotos-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/p480x480/1239021_647724655259135_240751244_n.jpg)

 ::MonkeyHeart::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: texasmom on September 10, 2013, 12:52:58 AM
Missing Kyron Horman

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=647424135289187&set=a.125436494154623.14645.125336750831264&type=1

(https://sphotos-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/p480x480/1187075_647424135289187_1735611183_n.jpg)

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=621733841191550&set=a.125436494154623.14645.125336750831264&type=1

(https://sphotos-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/p480x480/972217_621733841191550_524904848_n.jpg)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 10, 2013, 11:05:24 AM
Daily Commentary – Tuesday, September 10, 2013 – Preview of Tonights Dana Pretzer Show with Blink from BlinkonCrime

Don’t miss tonights special one hour with Blink from BlinkonCrime discussing her exclusive interview in the Kyron Horman case.

Posted September 10, 2013 by Klaasend

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2013/09/10/daily-commentary-tuesday-september-10-2013-preview-of-tonights-dana-pretzer-show-with-blink-from-blinkoncrime/


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: klaasend on September 10, 2013, 07:04:34 PM
Don't miss the Dana Pretzer Show tonight at 9pm ET!

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/Pretzer091013_zps052ecdda.jpg)

Click on the link below!

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/radio.m3u


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 10, 2013, 08:58:32 PM

Click on the link below![/color]

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/radio.m3u


Right now!!!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 10, 2013, 09:05:36 PM
It may be my computer but ... I cannot connect.

Janet


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: BabsKats on September 10, 2013, 09:16:57 PM
It may be my computer but ... I cannot connect.

Janet
I can't either Janet, my puter actually shuts off when I try.......always have been able to listen to the broadcast previously, so don't know whats wrong


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 10, 2013, 09:19:47 PM
It may be my computer but ... I cannot connect.

Janet
I can't either Janet, my puter actually shuts off when I try.......always have been able to listen to the broadcast previously, so don't know whats wrong


BabsKats

It is disappointing but ... hopefully we will be able to listen to the posted audio tomorrow.

Janet


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: grace-land on September 10, 2013, 09:20:49 PM
I went to the Blog page and clicked on the radio banner.  Hope it works for you!

http://scaredmonkeys.com/


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 10, 2013, 09:32:13 PM
I went to the Blog page and clicked on the radio banner.  Hope it works for you!

http://scaredmonkeys.com/


Thanks Grace

I already tried clicking the banner on the Front Page.  Nothing.  I wish I was more computer savy.

SIL will be dropping off 12 year old granddaughter shortly for a couple of hours.  If I am lucky she will be in the mood for a game of Scrabble with Mama.  That will make up for having to wait until tomorrow to listen to Dana and Blink.

Janet
6:35 PM PT


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: grace-land on September 10, 2013, 09:45:44 PM
I went to the Blog page and clicked on the radio banner.  Hope it works for you!

http://scaredmonkeys.com/


Thanks Grace

I already tried clicking the banner on the Front Page.  Nothing.  I wish I was more computer savy.

SIL will be dropping off 12 year old granddaughter shortly for a couple of hours.  If I am lucky she will be in the mood for a game of Scrabble with Mama.  That will make up for having to wait until tomorrow to listen to Dana and Blink.

Janet
6:35 PM PT

Sorry it didn't work.  Blink will be posting Part Two.  Enjoy your time with your granddaughter!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 10, 2013, 09:53:17 PM
I went to the Blog page and clicked on the radio banner.  Hope it works for you!

http://scaredmonkeys.com/


Thanks Grace

I already tried clicking the banner on the Front Page.  Nothing.  I wish I was more computer savy.

SIL will be dropping off 12 year old granddaughter shortly for a couple of hours.  If I am lucky she will be in the mood for a game of Scrabble with Mama.  That will make up for having to wait until tomorrow to listen to Dana and Blink.

Janet
6:35 PM PT

Sorry it didn't work.  Blink will be posting Part Two.  Enjoy your time with your granddaughter!


I am anticipating!!!

Thanks.  Little Miss Muffet is growing up too fast.  I hear SIL's vehicle coming up the driveway right now!!

Good Night

anet


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on September 11, 2013, 02:41:31 AM
I went to the Blog page and clicked on the radio banner.  Hope it works for you!

http://scaredmonkeys.com/


Thanks Grace

I already tried clicking the banner on the Front Page.  Nothing.  I wish I was more computer savy.

SIL will be dropping off 12 year old granddaughter shortly for a couple of hours.  If I am lucky she will be in the mood for a game of Scrabble with Mama.  That will make up for having to wait until tomorrow to listen to Dana and Blink.

Janet
6:35 PM PT

off topic/ ooooooooooo Janet, I love to play scrabble; but no one to play with so I play it on pogo.com


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: klaasend on September 11, 2013, 09:12:57 AM
I went to the Blog page and clicked on the radio banner.  Hope it works for you!

http://scaredmonkeys.com/


Thanks Grace

I already tried clicking the banner on the Front Page.  Nothing.  I wish I was more computer savy.

SIL will be dropping off 12 year old granddaughter shortly for a couple of hours.  If I am lucky she will be in the mood for a game of Scrabble with Mama.  That will make up for having to wait until tomorrow to listen to Dana and Blink.

Janet
6:35 PM PT

Sorry it didn't work.  Blink will be posting Part Two.  Enjoy your time with your granddaughter!


Podcast audio is up:

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/audio/20130910s.mp3


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 11, 2013, 12:23:03 PM

Podcast audio is up:

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/audio/20130910s.mp3


Thanks Klaas.

Janet


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 11, 2013, 12:38:41 PM


off topic/ ooooooooooo Janet, I love to play scrabble; but no one to play with so I play it on pogo.com


O/T

Nut

If you are ever in the Fraser Valley of BC ... pop in.  I can set up that board lickity split.  My list of Scrabble partners keeps getting shorter and shorter.  Even games nights with friends ... Scrabble is not the game of choice.  Hubby and 13/15 year old grandsons play to tolerate  but there always a method in their madness.  12 year old granddaughter still enjoys but ... I can sense a change coming.  That leaves 10/7 year old grandsons and a couple of friends who show any enthusiasm.

On-line Scrabble?   If I value my almost 48 year marriage and I do ... I cannot spend one more minute on this computer than I already do.

Have a good day.

Janet 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 11, 2013, 04:53:40 PM


Podcast audio is up:

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/audio/20130910s.mp3


Thanks Blink!  Thanks Dana!

Blink ... you and I are not always on the same page with our contentions but ... I do appreciate all your efforts on behalf of those who do not have a voice.

Janet
 



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 11, 2013, 08:20:15 PM
PART ONE

Blink On Crime Kyron Horman Investigation EXCLUSIVE: Terri Horman Friend DeDe Spicher Breaks Her Silence After Passing Polygraph- Requests DA Clear Her Publicly

A Blink On Crime Exclusive: DeDe Spicher speaks for the first time about her ordeal in the Kyron Horman investigation.

Wednesday 4 September 201

http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/09/04/blink-on-crime-kyron-horman-investigation-exclusive-terri-horman-friend-dede-spicher-breaks-her-silence-after-passing-polygraph-requests-da-clear-her-publicly/


PART TWO

Blink On Crime Kyron Horman Investigation Exclusive: DeDe Spicher Interview Yields Allegations Of Illegal Steroid Use Terri Horman Took To Police

A Blink On Crime Exclusive: DeDe Spicher speaks for the first time about her ordeal in the Kyron Horman investigation- continued

http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/09/11/blink-on-crime-kyron-horman-investigation-exclusive-dede-spicher-interview-yields-allegations-of-illegal-steroid-use-terri-horman-took-to-police/




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 12, 2013, 11:45:04 AM
PART ONE


Podcast audio is up:

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/audio/20130910s.mp3



PART TWO

Daily Commentary – Thursday, September 12, 2013 – If You Missed Last Nights Dana Pretzer Show, be Sure and Catch the Podcast

Posted September 12, 2013 by Klaasend

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2013/09/12/daily-commentary-thursday-september-12-2013-if-you-missed-last-nights-dana-pretzer-show-be-sure-and-catch-the-podcast/


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sassifrass on September 12, 2013, 11:49:10 AM
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Missing-Kyron-Horman/125336750831264?ref=stream&hc_location=stream (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Missing-Kyron-Horman/125336750831264?ref=stream&hc_location=stream)

A message from Kyron's Momma, Desiree.

For all of my faithful Kyron supporters...a new Dr Phil show that is going to be covering Kyron for a full hour on Tuesday, September 17th. Please check your local guides to find out channel and time for your area. Please share and repost, let's show Kyron just how much we want to bring him home. Thank you.

Ky-everything I do is for you, may God help us bring you home finally. I love you my Ky.
Momma


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Blink34 on September 12, 2013, 12:59:52 PM


Podcast audio is up:

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/audio/20130910s.mp3


Thanks Blink!  Thanks Dana!

Blink ... you and I are not always on the same page with our contentions but ... I do appreciate all your efforts on behalf of those who do not have a voice.

Janet
 



Janet, I sincerely appreciate that, thank you.

I pray for this wee man daily and for answers in what happened to him.  As long as we all do that until he is found,  I don't think it matters we might have different contentions on occasion.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 12, 2013, 05:55:32 PM


Podcast audio is up:

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/audio/20130910s.mp3


Thanks Blink!  Thanks Dana!

Blink ... you and I are not always on the same page with our contentions but ... I do appreciate all your efforts on behalf of those who do not have a voice.

Janet
 

Janet, I sincerely appreciate that, thank you.

I pray for this wee man daily and for answers in what happened to him.  As long as we all do that until he is found,  I don't think it matters we might have different contentions on occasion.


 ::rhino::



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on September 12, 2013, 06:04:00 PM


Podcast audio is up:

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/audio/20130910s.mp3


Thanks Blink!  Thanks Dana!

Blink ... you and I are not always on the same page with our contentions but ... I do appreciate all your efforts on behalf of those who do not have a voice.

Janet
 

Janet, I sincerely appreciate that, thank you.

I pray for this wee man daily and for answers in what happened to him.  As long as we all do that until he is found,  I don't think it matters we might have different contentions on occasion.


 ::rhino::



 ::rhino:: ::rhino::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 13, 2013, 12:36:43 AM
Blink

Do you know anything about the untraceable cell phones that were allegedly purchased on the day Kyron went missing.  I wish there was a Part 3 to that interview with DeDe Spicher.

Janet

++++++

DeDe Spicher's Attorney

Attorney: Spicher shared Terri Horman emails, texts with cops
Posted on July 26, 2010 at 11:09 AM
Updated Wednesday, Aug 18 at 7:05 AM


PORTLAND, Ore. -- DeDe Spicher, identified as a close friend of Terri Moulton-Horman, was called before a grand jury Monday in Multnomah County as part of the ongoing investigation into the disappearance of her step-son Kyron Horman.

Spicher's attorney told NBC Dateline that he would be "surprised" if Terri was not arrested in the case.

Grand jury proceedings are not open to the public or the media. However, Spicer's attorney did confirm that his client was subpoenaed to testify but did not give any testimony under oath Monday. He said she could be called back to testify in the future. ....

Stavley also told NBC Dateline Monday that Spicher had been, and planned to keep, cooperating with investigators. He said that she had already shared text messages and emails sent to and from Terri with detectives.

"I would be, frankly, surprised if Terri Horman did not eventually face charges in this case," Stavley said. "I'd be surprised if the indictment didn't come down."

<snipped>

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/DeDe-Spicher-testifies-before-grand-jury-99252004-kyron-horman-missing-portland.html


Untraceable Cell Phones

Police Bump Up Search for Kyron Horman
Harris Faulkner 9:48 am on August 9, 2010

 
Just got off the phone with Multnomah Sheriff’s Department and they confirmed a “tip” led them to bump up the search again for 7-year-old Kyron Horman. Kinda knew that but, wanted to see if they would comment about reports that the “tip” came from family friend, DeDe Spicher. They wouldn’t tell me if that’s true. But, Spicher told a Grand Jury on Friday that she, another girlfriend and Kyron’s stepmom, Terri Horman, each bought an untraceable cell phone the day the little boy vanished. The cops wouldn’t tell me if they’re looking for those phones in the big renewed search. This case is intense. Where is that child?!

http://www.foxnewsinsider.com/2010/08/09/police-bump-up-search-for-kyron-horman/


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 13, 2013, 01:42:54 PM
Lawyers to argue over what information Terri Horman and Kaine Horman can obtain as they pursue divorce, custody matters
September 13, 2013 at 8:35 AM


<snipped>

"Terri Horman has been in seclusion for three years and has elected not to seek parenting time with Kiara. She refuses to cooperate with law enforcement. So far, she has chosen her privilege against self-incrimination over a relationship with her daughter,'' wrote Brett Engel, Kaine Horman's lawyer in a legal motion. "It is anticipated she will now seek to establish a relationship with Kiara. The risk of physical and/or emotional harm to Kiara is high.''

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/09/lawyers_to_argue_over_what_inf.html



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 13, 2013, 01:50:35 PM
Hearing examines details of Horman divorce case
Friday, September 13, 2013, 10:12 am


PORTLAND, Ore. (KOIN) – The ongoing legal saga between Kaine Horman and Terri Horman – the father and stepmother of missing Kyron — continues Friday as lawyers for both parties appear before a Multnomah County Circuit Court judge to argue for and against allowing a Multnomah County sheriff’s deputy to be deposed as part of the estranged couple’s divorce and custody proceedings.

Terri Horman’s attorney Peter Bunch filed documents Aug. 28 requesting that the court deny a July 19 motion by Multnomah County prosecutors to quash a civil subpoena issued by Bunch to depose Deputy Bobby O’Donnell, the lead investigators during the search for Kyron Horman, who disappeared in June 2010.

Terri’s lawyers seek to question O’Donnell regarding alleged information he provided to Kaine during the investigation.  Bunch issued the civil subpoena July 8.

According to the Multnomah County District Attorney’s Office, the information that O’Donnell divulged to Kaine was for “criminally investigatory purposes” and could compromise the investigation into Kyron’s disappearance. Bunch argues, however, that by “voluntarily” sharing that information with Kaine, law enforcement cannot then claim it is confidential.

“Here, it is apparent that the police waived the privilege, at least in part, by voluntarily divulging information to Husband (Kaine) and other citizens,” the document reads. “The conversations the police had with those persons are not exempt from disclosure.”

Bunch goes on to say that Terri will not seek “protected investigatory information” during O’Donnell’s deposition, because that would be “unlawful and unethical,” but only voluntary statements that he made to Kaine and other “citizens” regarding “the facts of their investigation.”

“Without the opportunity to obtain information supplied to Husband (Kaine) and others, Wife’s (Terri) ability to participate fairly in the dissolution of marriage proceeding will be unalterably and unfairly compromised.”

<snipped>

http://www.koin.com/2013/09/13/hearing-over-horman-divorce-proceedings/


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 13, 2013, 01:53:34 PM
Hearing examines details of Horman divorce case
Friday, September 13, 2013, 10:12 am


<snipped>

Also under review Friday was a motion by Terri to have visitation rights with her daughter. In June, a judge renewed a restraining order original filed by Kaine in June 2010 against his estranged wife that does not allow her contact with him or their now 4-year-old daughter Kiara. On July 8, the same day that Terri subpoenaed O’Donnell, Terri also filed a motion contesting the restraining order.

In its response, on July 13 Kaine’s attorney Peter Engel issued a motion for protective order. In it he wrote:

“Ms. Horman has been in seclusion for three years. She refuses to cooperate with law enforcement. She intends to exercise her privilege against self-incrimination. She has not contested the FAPA Order since it was originally issued in June of 2010. She has chosen to forego a relationship with the parties’ daughter Kiara, now four years old. Yet, she now expects to conduct one-sided discovery in a single day of depositions, and have a hearing, all while the case is stayed.”

<snipped>

http://www.koin.com/2013/09/13/hearing-over-horman-divorce-proceedings/


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 13, 2013, 02:02:37 PM

(http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/photo/8946421-large.jpg)

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/09/lawyers_to_argue_over_what_inf.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 13, 2013, 05:10:20 PM
DR. PHIL - TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 17, 2013


Tuesday 09/17: Still Missing: Where is 7-Year-Old Kyron?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kY5VClwuf3s&feature=c4-overview&list=UUYLR1ghzYNyvfjw78raCuxA


Missing Kyron Horman
A message from Kyron's Momma, Desiree


For all of my faithful Kyron supporters...a new Dr Phil show that is going to be covering Kyron for a full hour on Tuesday, September 17th. Please check your local guides to find out channel and time for your area. Please share and repost, let's show Kyron just how much we want to bring him home. Thank you.

Ky-everything I do is for you, may God help us bring you home finally. I love you my Ky.

Mom

https://www.facebook.com/Face2faceSearchForTheMissing



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 13, 2013, 05:22:41 PM
(http://)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 13, 2013, 05:24:46 PM
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ3WNXLwob1si372e_GVrhnmqaSw93K2wqb0f2OEiL7almLAAV-)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 13, 2013, 05:45:49 PM
 
Attorney Says Terri Was Not The Last To See Kyron
September 13, 2013, 1:13 pm


PORTLAND -- Multnomah County Judge Henry Kantor's courtroom was very quiet as Terri Horman's attorney announced that he knows his client was not the last person to see Kyron Horman  in June of 2010 when he disappeared from Skyline School.

What was supposed to be a visitation hearing turned into something else.  Attorneys for Terri said that Kaine Horman and Desiree Young repeatedly accused her of criminal acts to make her appear to be unfit to care for her now 4-year-old daughter.  She has not seen her daughter for three years.

Terri's attorney further accuses Kaine and Young of making Terri out to be the bad girl and deny her a relationship with her child.

Kaine has requested that Terri not be allowed to see Kiara because she's involved in the criminal investigation of Kyron's disappearance.

The judge will decide by Monday how to move forward with visitation.

<snipped>

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=post;topic=9941.380;num_replies=389


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 13, 2013, 06:02:12 PM
Why has it taken Terri three years to launch this challenge against Kaine's allegations ... allegations that resulted in a custody ruling that has prevented her from contact with her little girl?

Janet

++++++++

Judge to rule by Monday on what discovery Terri Horman can obtain prior to divorce, child custody hearing
September 13, 2013 at 2:16 PM


Terri Moulton Horman's lawyers have issued about 10 subpoenas, demanding to question Tuesday one of the lead sheriff's investigators in the disappearance of her stepson Kyron, as well as faculty of Skyline School, the boy's former classmates and employees of various businesses, including Fred Meyer, 24-Hour Fitness and Magic Dry Cleaners.

The depositions, Horman's lawyers argued in court Friday, are necessary to gather information to defend Terri Horman as a fit parent who deserves to spend time with her daughter, Kiara, a 4-year-old. Terri Horman hasn't been permitted to see her daughter in more than three years. Kiara has lived exclusively with her father.

Her attorneys, Peter Bunch and Stephen Houze, pointedly told a judge Friday that they need to learn what information law enforcement shared with Terri Horman's husband, Kaine Horman, which led him to mount "an onslaught of public relation attacks" against Terri Horman and accuse her of criminal acts.

"We are entitled to know what they know,'' Houze said.

Houze said Terri Horman must combat the many "public pronouncements" and assertions in legal documents by Kaine Horman and Kyron's mom Desiree Young that Terri Horman is responsible in some way for Kyron's disappearance.

He argued that Terri Horman must defend herself against "the canard that has been spread" by Kaine Horman and Young's pronouncements, which he contended were "all designed to condition the public and to persuade the public she is a terrible person" and helped turn her into "public enemy No. 1.''

Houze further said he had witnesses who would testify that Terri Horman was not the last person to have seen Kyron on June 4, 2010, the day he disappeared, as law enforcement has suggested.

"Facts will dispute the contentions they make,'' Houze said.

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/09/judge_to_rule_by_monday_on_wha.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 13, 2013, 06:03:09 PM
(http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/photo/13404524-large.jpg)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Amys Sister on September 13, 2013, 10:06:38 PM
Why has it taken Terri three years to launch this challenge against Kaine's allegations ... allegations that resulted in a custody ruling that has prevented her from contact with her little girl?

Janet

++++++++

Judge to rule by Monday on what discovery Terri Horman can obtain prior to divorce, child custody hearing
September 13, 2013 at 2:16 PM


Terri Moulton Horman's lawyers have issued about 10 subpoenas, demanding to question Tuesday one of the lead sheriff's investigators in the disappearance of her stepson Kyron, as well as faculty of Skyline School, the boy's former classmates and employees of various businesses, including Fred Meyer, 24-Hour Fitness and Magic Dry Cleaners.

The depositions, Horman's lawyers argued in court Friday, are necessary to gather information to defend Terri Horman as a fit parent who deserves to spend time with her daughter, Kiara, a 4-year-old. Terri Horman hasn't been permitted to see her daughter in more than three years. Kiara has lived exclusively with her father.

Her attorneys, Peter Bunch and Stephen Houze, pointedly told a judge Friday that they need to learn what information law enforcement shared with Terri Horman's husband, Kaine Horman, which led him to mount "an onslaught of public relation attacks" against Terri Horman and accuse her of criminal acts.

"We are entitled to know what they know,'' Houze said.

Houze said Terri Horman must combat the many "public pronouncements" and assertions in legal documents by Kaine Horman and Kyron's mom Desiree Young that Terri Horman is responsible in some way for Kyron's disappearance.

He argued that Terri Horman must defend herself against "the canard that has been spread" by Kaine Horman and Young's pronouncements, which he contended were "all designed to condition the public and to persuade the public she is a terrible person" and helped turn her into "public enemy No. 1.''

Houze further said he had witnesses who would testify that Terri Horman was not the last person to have seen Kyron on June 4, 2010, the day he disappeared, as law enforcement has suggested.

"Facts will dispute the contentions they make,'' Houze said.

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/09/judge_to_rule_by_monday_on_wha.html


Only my opinion Tamikosmom, but I think Houze had to let enough time pass that a judge would be reasonably open to considering this can not go on indefinitely.  Additionally, Houze may have been seeking witnesses willing to speak on Terri's behalf and with so much time having passed with no arrest folks who have information may be starting to be sympathetic toward Terri.

I would not want to be Judge Kantor.  He won't be sleeping much this weekend.

I also wonder at Terri's silence these three plus long years.  It makes no sense under any circumstance I can think of unless she has evidence that she believed or actually was being set up by LE and investigators.

IMO, Kantor will grant the interview with O'Donnell but only with strict guidelines on what can be asked and only because of the restraining order.  I also believe he will allow visitation with Kiara but only after a psyche eval to which Terri, IMO, won't agree.  I doubt the judge will allow interviews with school staff or students.  Just my best guess.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 13, 2013, 11:15:06 PM
Amys Sister

Thanks for your feedback.  It was appreciated.

When all is said and done ... I cannot comprehend why Terri has been denied joint custody of Kiara when she has yet to be charged and convicted of ANY wrongdoing.  All Kaine's allegations have yet to be substantiated.  If Kiara had been my daughter ... the custody challenge would have happened three years ago.

Anyway ... between the outcome of Terri's custody challenge and the Desiree/Kaine's Dr. Phil interview ... next week should be very interesting.

Good Night

Janet


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Amys Sister on September 13, 2013, 11:38:10 PM
Next week should be very interesting.  I pray it will bring us closer to Kyron.   ::MonkeyAngel::

Good night Tamikosmom. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 14, 2013, 09:51:30 AM
Attorney: Terri Horman wasn't last person to see Kyron
Sep 13, 2013 9:56 PM PDT


PORTLAND, OR (KPTV) - An attorney for Terri Horman, the stepmother of missing Portland boy Kyron Horman, said he can prove she was not the last person to see Kyron at Skyline School in northwest Portland on the day he disappeared.

The situation was addressed in a Multnomah County courtroom Friday during a divorce hearing for Kaine and Terri Horman. Terri Horman was not there, but her defense team is pushing for visitation rights with her 4-year-old daughter.

The girl has been with Kaine Horman since Kyron's disappearance. Kaine Horman has maintained his wife was involved in Kyron's disappearance, based on information from law enforcement, which is why he doesn't want her to see their daughter.

Kaine Horman was in court Friday and his lawyer said the couple's daughter Kiara doesn't know Terri Horman and would only be traumatized by seeing her.

"We're talking about the introduction of somebody who's the central figure in a criminal investigation into a child's life and there's an incredible risk of emotional damage to this child," said Brett Engel, Kaine Horman's lawyer.

Terri Horman has never been charged in the case. Her lawyers said they want access to that same law enforcement information Kaine Horman and his lawyers are citing.

"When they claim they have factual bases for it, by virtue of communication with law enforcement sources, we are entitled to know what they know," said Stephen Houze, Terri Horman's lawyer.

The district attorney claims doing so would put the criminal case in jeopardy.

Still, Houze wants to go even further. Next week, he wants to depose witnesses from Fred Meyer, Terri Horman's gym and students from Skyline School who he claims will say she was not the last person to see Kyron.

<snipped>

"It's not true," Houze said of the claims Terri Horman was the last person to see Kyron that day. "We have witnesses who will say, in fact, they know facts first-hand that demonstrate that is not true."

Kaine Horman said he realizes this situation is bigger than just a divorce proceeding. Still, he believes this effort to see their 4-year-old daughter is coming too late and he said Terri Horman hasn't filed a formal request for visitation.

"I still think we have an obligation into an ongoing investigation to find Kyron and concluding that effort while pursuing what's in my daughter's best interest along that path," Kaine Horman said. "And, at some point, there's going to be closure to both."

http://www.kptv.com/story/23425918/attorney-terri-horman-wasnt-last-person-to-see-kyron-horman-at-school


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Blink34 on September 14, 2013, 10:02:17 AM
After speaking with direct sources all day/evening in this case- and I realize I have an interest because frankly, I have been covering for years what is now being confirmed.

Not about being right, but let's agree both parents have had full knowledge that Terri Horman was NOT the last person to be seen with Kyron and both of them have not been shy about publicly stating otherwise.

I seriously want to hurl.  I can't bear it.     The DA and LE   U S  E  D  these people, who were bereft and over 3 years later you would think it would matter that his Father and Mother would say- wait- in OUR efforts to find our son,  which include our individual  solicitations of public funds to do so- we forgot this paramount investigational factoid:

He was last seen with a SZ, and every effort to connect him to the woman on our pin the tail on TMH has failed.  Not that we care.  We will keep giving interviews espousing same.

Could this be more counterproductive?

Let's review:

1. TH not last person to be seen with Kyron, although someone else definitely was, and LE would like to keep that info private, although they had it when they helped Kaine file his initial ex parte order.

2. Key alleged "accomplice"  has been brutalized for 3 years,  recently cleared and if she was the nexus to TMH- ostensibly then, so was TMH.

3. Kiara does not even know who her mother is?  This alone, should absolutely instigate a  CPS inquiry or GAL  This is about her best interests and this is ok with whom?  Children born to Mother's in custody have had more rights to bond with their parent,  and I give this example as TMH has never been charged with a crime of any kind.

4. According to DA Rees,  in a recent appearance yesterday- Whatever investigative information Bobby O'Donnell gave Kaine Horman to set off the initial restraining order he was never authorized to do so.  So to be plain, the prosecutors office is now distancing themselves from the initial lead investigator for what reason?  H E   L I E D.  



I am stunned that Engel would say in open court that Kiara does not know who her Mother is.  Forget about the 1000 ways that it is tantamount to abuse-  what does that say about KH's ability to co-parent which is a critical factor in determining custodial issues.   I have never even seen a family court matter where the DA has any standing in the first place and then to stand there and say that TMH has no ability to call witnesses who directly refute the claims they themselves have made directly to the man who used that as support to rip his child from her Mother and that is tantamount to trying a criminal matter in civil court?

They should have thought of that before they rushed to judgement when they HAD information to the contrary.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Blink34 on September 14, 2013, 10:13:49 AM
Amys Sister

Thanks for your feedback.  It was appreciated.

When all is said and done ... I cannot comprehend why Terri has been denied joint custody of Kiara when she has yet to be charged and convicted of ANY wrongdoing.  All Kaine's allegations have yet to be substantiated.  If Kiara had been my daughter ... the custody challenge would have happened three years ago.

Anyway ... between the outcome of Terri's custody challenge and the Desiree/Kaine's Dr. Phil interview ... next week should be very interesting.

Good Night

Janet

In theory I agree with you Janet, however, as a matter of law- TMH could not do so once the ex parte order was granted without compromising her rights against self incrimination and once the "stays" were in place,  no ability to argue the matters exist.   Behind the scenes, Bunch was relentlessly pursuing visitation under the strictest of conditions to the flat refusal of Kaine. 

Kantor lacks family court experience in a big way.  He should recuse before he is put in a position to be asked to, imo.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: cw618 on September 14, 2013, 05:35:26 PM
just trying to fig where the Magic Cleaners,  goes in the timeline, JMO, i would
think after Fred Meyer #2 and b4 the gym, as the Magic Cleaners, is about 4
mile from gym, and there is an unexpained block of time from Fred Meyer #2
and the gym. if i can find the addies for the FMs i will make a map of TMHs
errands that morn, JMO, from FM#2 to the MC will take about 20-25 min of that
block of time, that time includes the drive and picking up the dry cleaning
map of
Magic Cleaners to gym
http://goo.gl/maps/hf2g4
---------------------------------
9:30 - 10:00 AM Andrea Leckey sees Terri and Kiara (Terri's daughter) at Fred Meyer #2 (?)
Magic Cleaners?
11:39 AM Terri arrives at 24 hour fitness
-------------------------------

Quote
Terri Horman's timeline
Time to revisit Terri's timeline and see how it does not appear that she had time to do anything with Kyron Horman.

8:45 AM Terri leaves Skyline School

9:00 AM Kyron seen by another student

9:15 AM Terri at Fred Meyer #1

9:30 - 10:00 AM Andrea Leckey sees Terri and Kiara (Terri's daughter) at Fred Meyer #2 (?)

11:39 AM Terri arrives at 24 hour fitness

1:21 PM Terri Horman posts photos of Kyron at the science fair on her Facebook page.
http://alternate-theories.blogspot.com/2010/09/terris-timeline.html

--------------------------------
Quote
Judge to rule by Monday on what discovery Terri Horman can obtain prior to divorce, child custody hearing
By Maxine Bernstein | mbernstein@oregonian.com
Email the author | Follow on Twitter
on September 13, 2013 at 1:24 PM, updated September 13, 2013 at 9:55 PM
 ::snipping3::
Court records indicate that Terri Horman's lawyers subpoenaed O'Donnell, as well as three Skyline School employees - Kyron's second-grade teacher Kristine Porter, kindergarten/first grade teacher Easter Mathews and school secretary Susan Hall. They subpoenaed to deposte three children who attended Skyline School, and staff of Fred Meyer, Magic Cleaners and 24 Hour Fitness.

According to prosecutors, Terri Horman's lawyers also have sought "surveillance footage'' provided to law enforcement.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/09/judge_to_rule_by_monday_on_wha.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: bluetilt on September 14, 2013, 09:15:44 PM
MAGIC CLEANERS IS ON WALKER ROAD SAME COMPLEX / BLDG as FRED MEYERS ON WALKER RD

16035 Southwest Walker Road
Beaverton, OR 97006


just trying to fig where the Magic Cleaners,  goes in the timeline, JMO, i would
think after Fred Meyer #2 and b4 the gym, as the Magic Cleaners, is about 4
mile from gym, and there is an unexpained block of time from Fred Meyer #2
and the gym. if i can find the addies for the FMs i will make a map of TMHs
errands that morn, JMO, from FM#2 to the MC will take about 20-25 min of that
block of time, that time includes the drive and picking up the dry cleaning
map of
Magic Cleaners to gym
http://goo.gl/maps/hf2g4
---------------------------------
9:30 - 10:00 AM Andrea Leckey sees Terri and Kiara (Terri's daughter) at Fred Meyer #2 (?)
Magic Cleaners?
11:39 AM Terri arrives at 24 hour fitness
-------------------------------

Quote
Terri Horman's timeline
Time to revisit Terri's timeline and see how it does not appear that she had time to do anything with Kyron Horman.

8:45 AM Terri leaves Skyline School

9:00 AM Kyron seen by another student

9:15 AM Terri at Fred Meyer #1

9:30 - 10:00 AM Andrea Leckey sees Terri and Kiara (Terri's daughter) at Fred Meyer #2 (?)

11:39 AM Terri arrives at 24 hour fitness

1:21 PM Terri Horman posts photos of Kyron at the science fair on her Facebook page.
http://alternate-theories.blogspot.com/2010/09/terris-timeline.html

--------------------------------
Quote
Judge to rule by Monday on what discovery Terri Horman can obtain prior to divorce, child custody hearing
By Maxine Bernstein | mbernstein@oregonian.com
Email the author | Follow on Twitter
on September 13, 2013 at 1:24 PM, updated September 13, 2013 at 9:55 PM
 ::snipping3::
Court records indicate that Terri Horman's lawyers subpoenaed O'Donnell, as well as three Skyline School employees - Kyron's second-grade teacher Kristine Porter, kindergarten/first grade teacher Easter Mathews and school secretary Susan Hall. They subpoenaed to deposte three children who attended Skyline School, and staff of Fred Meyer, Magic Cleaners and 24 Hour Fitness.

According to prosecutors, Terri Horman's lawyers also have sought "surveillance footage'' provided to law enforcement.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/09/judge_to_rule_by_monday_on_wha.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: bluetilt on September 14, 2013, 09:21:26 PM
24hr Fitness in question is on Waterhouse
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=24+Hour+Fitness,+Northwest+Waterhouse+Avenue,+Beaverton,+OR+97006&hl=en&sll=45.504296,-122.708083&sspn=0.293073,0.617294&oq=24+Hour+Fitness1265+Northwest+Waterhouse+Avenue+Beaverton,+OR+97006&gl=us&hq=24+Hour+Fitness,&hnear=NW+Waterhouse+Ave,+Beaverton,+Washington,+Oregon+97006&t=m&z=16

24 Hour Fitness
1265 NW Waterhouse Ave, Beaverton, OR ‎

Just down the road (close) to the Walker Rd FM and cleaners

just trying to fig where the Magic Cleaners,  goes in the timeline, JMO, i would
think after Fred Meyer #2 and b4 the gym, as the Magic Cleaners, is about 4
mile from gym, and there is an unexpained block of time from Fred Meyer #2
and the gym. if i can find the addies for the FMs i will make a map of TMHs
errands that morn, JMO, from FM#2 to the MC will take about 20-25 min of that
block of time, that time includes the drive and picking up the dry cleaning
map of
Magic Cleaners to gym
http://goo.gl/maps/hf2g4
---------------------------------
9:30 - 10:00 AM Andrea Leckey sees Terri and Kiara (Terri's daughter) at Fred Meyer #2 (?)
Magic Cleaners?
11:39 AM Terri arrives at 24 hour fitness
-------------------------------

Quote
Terri Horman's timeline
Time to revisit Terri's timeline and see how it does not appear that she had time to do anything with Kyron Horman.

8:45 AM Terri leaves Skyline School

9:00 AM Kyron seen by another student

9:15 AM Terri at Fred Meyer #1

9:30 - 10:00 AM Andrea Leckey sees Terri and Kiara (Terri's daughter) at Fred Meyer #2 (?)

11:39 AM Terri arrives at 24 hour fitness

1:21 PM Terri Horman posts photos of Kyron at the science fair on her Facebook page.
http://alternate-theories.blogspot.com/2010/09/terris-timeline.html

--------------------------------
Quote
Judge to rule by Monday on what discovery Terri Horman can obtain prior to divorce, child custody hearing
By Maxine Bernstein | mbernstein@oregonian.com
Email the author | Follow on Twitter
on September 13, 2013 at 1:24 PM, updated September 13, 2013 at 9:55 PM
 ::snipping3::
Court records indicate that Terri Horman's lawyers subpoenaed O'Donnell, as well as three Skyline School employees - Kyron's second-grade teacher Kristine Porter, kindergarten/first grade teacher Easter Mathews and school secretary Susan Hall. They subpoenaed to deposte three children who attended Skyline School, and staff of Fred Meyer, Magic Cleaners and 24 Hour Fitness.

According to prosecutors, Terri Horman's lawyers also have sought "surveillance footage'' provided to law enforcement.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/09/judge_to_rule_by_monday_on_wha.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on September 14, 2013, 09:42:27 PM
 ::HelloKitty:: bluetilt!  It's good to see you come down from the rafters and post.   ::MonkeyCool:: ::buzzbee3::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: bluetilt on September 14, 2013, 09:46:26 PM
::HelloKitty:: bluetilt!  It's good to see you come down from the rafters and post.   ::MonkeyCool:: ::buzzbee3::

=) I vowed to never speculate(and still won't) on who did what/why/where K is but yeah I know the area =)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on September 14, 2013, 09:55:57 PM
::HelloKitty:: bluetilt!  It's good to see you come down from the rafters and post.   ::MonkeyCool:: ::buzzbee3::

=) I vowed to never speculate(and still won't) on who did what/why/where K is but yeah I know the area =)



Your information about the area is much appreciated and I respect your vow to never speculate.  ::bee::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 15, 2013, 12:40:49 AM

In theory I agree with you Janet, however, as a matter of law- TMH could not do so once the ex parte order was granted without compromising her rights against self incrimination and once the "stays" were in place,  no ability to argue the matters exist.   Behind the scenes, Bunch was relentlessly pursuing visitation under the strictest of conditions to the flat refusal of Kaine. 

Kantor lacks family court experience in a big way.  He should recuse before he is put in a position to be asked to, imo.

Blink

If Terri has told the absolute truth to investigators regarding the events encompassing her actions on the morning of June 4, 2010 ... how could any of her words challenging the custody ruling be self-incriminating ... the custody ruling that has prevented contact with Kiara for three years? 

Janet

+++++

Attorney: Terri Horman wasn't last person to see Kyron
Sep 13, 2013 9:56 PM PDT


<snipped>

The girl has been with Kaine Horman since Kyron's disappearance. Kaine Horman has maintained his wife was involved in Kyron's disappearance, based on information from law enforcement, which is why he doesn't want her to see their daughter.

<snipped>

Terri Horman has never been charged in the case.

http://www.kptv.com/story/23425918/attorney-terri-horman-wasnt-last-person-to-see-kyron-horman-at-school


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 15, 2013, 12:49:48 AM

Blink

Do you know anything about the untraceable cell phones that were allegedly purchased on the day Kyron went missing.  I wish there was a Part 3 to that interview with DeDe Spicher.

Janet

++++++

DeDe Spicher's Attorney

Attorney: Spicher shared Terri Horman emails, texts with cops
Posted on July 26, 2010 at 11:09 AM
Updated Wednesday, Aug 18 at 7:05 AM


PORTLAND, Ore. -- DeDe Spicher, identified as a close friend of Terri Moulton-Horman, was called before a grand jury Monday in Multnomah County as part of the ongoing investigation into the disappearance of her step-son Kyron Horman.

Spicher's attorney told NBC Dateline that he would be "surprised" if Terri was not arrested in the case.

Grand jury proceedings are not open to the public or the media. However, Spicer's attorney did confirm that his client was subpoenaed to testify but did not give any testimony under oath Monday. He said she could be called back to testify in the future. ....

Stavley also told NBC Dateline Monday that Spicher had been, and planned to keep, cooperating with investigators. He said that she had already shared text messages and emails sent to and from Terri with detectives.

"I would be, frankly, surprised if Terri Horman did not eventually face charges in this case," Stavley said. "I'd be surprised if the indictment didn't come down."

<snipped>

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/DeDe-Spicher-testifies-before-grand-jury-99252004-kyron-horman-missing-portland.html


Untraceable Cell Phones

Police Bump Up Search for Kyron Horman
Harris Faulkner 9:48 am on August 9, 2010

 
Just got off the phone with Multnomah Sheriff’s Department and they confirmed a “tip” led them to bump up the search again for 7-year-old Kyron Horman. Kinda knew that but, wanted to see if they would comment about reports that the “tip” came from family friend, DeDe Spicher. They wouldn’t tell me if that’s true. But, Spicher told a Grand Jury on Friday that she, another girlfriend and Kyron’s stepmom, Terri Horman, each bought an untraceable cell phone the day the little boy vanished. The cops wouldn’t tell me if they’re looking for those phones in the big renewed search. This case is intense. Where is that child?!

http://www.foxnewsinsider.com/2010/08/09/police-bump-up-search-for-kyron-horman/

If the above reflects that truth ... could it be that the purchase of the untraceable cell phones by Terri, DeDe and an unidentified friend be the catalyst to the last person seen with Kryon?

Janet

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Attorney: Terri Horman wasn't last person to see Kyron
Sep 13, 2013 9:56 PM PDT


PORTLAND, OR (KPTV) - An attorney for Terri Horman, the stepmother of missing Portland boy Kyron Horman, said he can prove she was not the last person to see Kyron at Skyline School in northwest Portland on the day he disappeared.

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http://www.kptv.com/story/23425918/attorney-terri-horman-wasnt-last-person-to-see-kyron-horman-at-school


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on September 15, 2013, 01:42:15 PM
::HelloKitty:: bluetilt!  It's good to see you come down from the rafters and post.   ::MonkeyCool:: ::buzzbee3::

=) I vowed to never speculate(and still won't) on who did what/why/where K is but yeah I know the area =)



Your information about the area is much appreciated and I respect your vow to never speculate.  ::bee::

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: cw618 on September 15, 2013, 02:36:36 PM
hello bluetilt, TY for the info i was going by memory on the gym and FM
locations, ( i should know better LOL), bluetilt the addy you posted, for
the FM, would that be TMHs FM #1 or the FM #2, and if it is the FM #1
do you know the FM #2  addy , TYIA
ok group as you have read, i have the locations wrong, lesson learned
dont rely on a 3yr old memory,so disregard my last post please
sometimes achieving continuity is a tough

disregard my last post please
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9941.msg1576261#msg1576261


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 15, 2013, 04:59:17 PM
Desiree is desperately seeking answers regarding the disappearance of her son.  Would she be zeroing in on Terri and DeDe if she did not sincerely believe that Kyron's stepmother could not provide those answers.

Did LE lie when they revealed to Desiree and Kaine incriminating info regarding Terri ... incriminating info that Desiree has shared to America on the talk show circuit ... incriminating info that served as a foundation in the judge's decision to denied Terri contact with Kiara for the past three years?

Why is LE withholding that same incriminating info from Terri's attorney in his effort to defend his client in the custody dispute?  Citing "confidentiality" makes no sense.  Something is very wrong with this picture.

Janet

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Desiree: Terri hated Kyron, blamed him for failing marriage
November 15, 2010 at 9:10 AM


Desiree Young appeared on Today Monday morning. She talked about explosive emails that police showed her just last Friday. Sources told KGW that the emails were sent from Terri to an extended member of the family in the weeks just before Kyron's disappearance

"I now believe without a shadow of a doubt that not only is she (Terri) capable of hurting Kyron, but that it's clear she could have hurt him in the worst possible way, " said Young, as she struggled to talk through the tears.
But what were in those emails?

Young said she couldn't go into specifics because of the ongoing investigation. But she didn't hold back about the ugly picture she said the emails painted.

"It's very clear from Terri’s horrible words that she had a severe hatred for Kyron and that she blamed a lot of the marital problems on Kyron," said Young.

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http://www.kgw.com/news/Exclusive--Kyron-Hormans-Mom-Talks-About-Disturbing-Emails--108170584.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 15, 2013, 06:07:24 PM
DeDe insists in the Blink interview that she never left the property where she was working on the morning of June 4th.  She states that her cell was left in her vehicle ... the tall foliage hid her from sight and ... she did not hear a co-worker's call.

http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/09/04/blink-on-crime-kyron-horman-investigation-exclusive-terri-horman-friend-dede-spicher-breaks-her-silence-after-passing-polygraph-requests-da-clear-her-publicly/

Janet

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Gaps in how Terri Horman spent June 4
July 26, 2010


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There were gaps in what she had told investigators she did that day, including a key portion of time that she said she took her daughter, Kiara for a ride, according to reliable sources, including people who have spoken with investigators.

Investigators have been comparing where Terri said she was with what they have been able to establish about her movements that day.Terri told investigators that she drove Kiara around a series of rural roads for an hour, saying she was trying to calm her down because Kiara didn't feel well. Meanwhile, she told some of her friends that Kiara had an earache.

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http://www.kgw.com/news/Horman-kyron-missing-gaps-portland-kiara-99181214.html


DeDe, Terri unaccounted for at same time on June 4
August 12, 2010


PORTLAND, Ore. -- DeDe Spicher and Terri Moulton-Horman were both unaccounted for during the same period of time the day Kyron Horman disappeared, based on information revealed by investigators and on information from KGW sources.

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Sources also tell KGW that, during the period of time DeDe was unaccounted for, her car remained at the property where she had been gardening. According to sources, that detail is significant because, if DeDe left the property as investigators believe, she would have had to leave in another vehicle.

Meanwhile, at a Wednesday press conference, investigators focused on the movements of the Horman family pickup truck on the day Kyron disappeared. Investigators specifically asked for any witnesses who might have seen the pickup in that same area of Skyline between 10:15 and 11:30 a.m. Sources tell KGW that investigators identified that as the time between when Terri left a Beaverton Fred Meyer and her next known stop, at her personal gym. More: Truck sighting locations.

These timelines leave a one-hour, fifteen-minute block of time in the middle of the day Kyron disappeared where the whereabouts of both Terri and DeDe was still under investigation.  At Wednesday's press conference, deputies focused in on specific roads in the Skyline area where the family's white truck may have been during that window of time.

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Investigators spent Sunday searching the home where Spicher gardened the morning of June 4.

The person who owns the house where Spicher gardened, who is cooperating with investigators, told investigators she called Spicher on her cell phone but she didn't answer, the source told KGW. A person who was working with Spicher, who is also cooperating with investigators, told them of trying to unsuccessfully find Spicher. Both people have told investigators they have no idea where Spicher was during that period of time.

http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/DeDe-Spicher-99077874.html


Kyron Horman Missing and Endangered: Grand Jury Meets, Indictment Imminent
July 2010 3:16 pm


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According to several sources, DeDe Spicher, Terri’s roommate  post Kaine’s restraining order,  was working in a garden near the Horman home the day of Kyron’s disappearance when she received a call at approximately 11:15 am. She left abruptly, returning at approximately 1:00 pm. DeDe was unreachable on her cell phone during that time and the property owner became concerned. Spicher is a long time friend and workout companion of Horman’s.

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http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/07/26/kyron-horman-missing-and-endangered-grand-jury-meets-indictment-imminent/


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 15, 2013, 06:21:34 PM
Blink

Do you know anything about the untraceable cell phones that were allegedly purchased on the day Kyron went missing.  I wish there was a Part 3 to that interview with DeDe Spicher.

Janet

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Untraceable Cell Phones

Police Bump Up Search for Kyron Horman
Harris Faulkner 9:48 am on August 9, 2010

 
Just got off the phone with Multnomah Sheriff’s Department and they confirmed a “tip” led them to bump up the search again for 7-year-old Kyron Horman. Kinda knew that but, wanted to see if they would comment about reports that the “tip” came from family friend, DeDe Spicher. They wouldn’t tell me if that’s true. But, Spicher told a Grand Jury on Friday that she, another girlfriend and Kyron’s stepmom, Terri Horman, each bought an untraceable cell phone the day the little boy vanished. The cops wouldn’t tell me if they’re looking for those phones in the big renewed search. This case is intense. Where is that child?!

http://www.foxnewsinsider.com/2010/08/09/police-bump-up-search-for-kyron-horman/

Blink

The following affirms your comment on your blog ... the comment which states that the disposable phones were purchased later in June ... not on the day that Kyron went missing.

http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/09/11/blink-on-crime-kyron-horman-investigation-exclusive-dede-spicher-interview-yields-allegations-of-illegal-steroid-use-terri-horman-took-to-police/

Janet

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Fake name used to buy Horman-linked phones
Aug 7, 2010


PORTLAND, Ore. – KATU now knows that friends purchased cell phones to communicate with the stepmother of missing Kyron Horman after the second grader disappeared two months ago.

Additionally, one of those friends did so using a fake name, according to multiple sources on Friday.

A friend of Terri Horman said the secret phones were intended to provide some level of privacy with their conversations, which they felt were being monitored by law enforcement. She said they also wanted to use phones with numbers not known to the press.

The phones were purchased after Kyron's father, Kaine Horman, moved out of the family's home.

The friend, who is not DeDe Spicher, went to the Lloyd Center and bought a prepaid cell phone at an electronic store. The friend now says she regrets using a fake name and that it was “stupid” and “spur of the moment.”

She said the phone she bought was for herself to use and not for Terri Horman.

She insists the three of them – DeDe, Terri and her – only got the phones because the new AT&T service would allow them to make calls out of the Horman home at Shelter Nook Road. The home is in a remote area that does not receive Verizon service, which is what the friends had.

She insists she’s not guilty of anything besides trying to be supportive of her friend, Terri. However, the friend said the more she has worked with investigators the less support she has given Terri. She said she has turned over cell phone records, business phone records and all relevant e-mails to investigators.

It also has been confirmed that at least one of the phones was purchased by DeDe Spicher.

What remains unclear is why two additional prepaid phones were purchased at another store in downtown Portland the next day under the same fake name used at the Lloyd Center. The friend said she knows those phones were paid for in cash but she did not make the purchase.

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http://www.katu.com/news/local/100161574.html



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 15, 2013, 07:37:33 PM
DR. PHIL - TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 17, 2013

Tuesday 09/17: Still Missing: Where is 7-Year-Old Kyron?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kY5VClwuf3s&feature=c4-overview&list=UUYLR1ghzYNyvfjw78raCuxA

Missing Kyron Horman
A message from Kyron's Momma, Desiree


For all of my faithful Kyron supporters...a new Dr Phil show that is going to be covering Kyron for a full hour on Tuesday, September 17th. Please check your local guides to find out channel and time for your area. Please share and repost, let's show Kyron just how much we want to bring him home. Thank you.

Ky-everything I do is for you, may God help us bring you home finally. I love you my Ky.

Mom

https://www.facebook.com/Face2faceSearchForTheMissing




Tuesday - September 17, 2013

Still Missing: Where is 7-Year-Old Kyron?


In 2010, the disappearance of 7-year-old Kyron Horman grabbed headlines across the nation. Now, more than three years later, the case remains unsolved. Kyron’s divorced parents, Kaine and Desiree, have long been suspicious of his stepmother, Terri, who was the last known person to see Kyron alive. But she’s never been named a suspect or a person of interest by police. Shortly after Kyron’s disappearance and new allegations about Terri arose, Kaine and Desiree presented a united front with the goal of finding their son. But just a few months later, the two stopped communicating. In an exclusive interview, the parents reunite for the first time on Dr. Phil’s stage. Hear why Desiree and Kaine say they believe Terri may know more than she’s admitting. What do they think may have happened to Kyron — and why? And, are the parents willing to put aside past differences and work together again?

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http://www.drphil.com/shows/




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 15, 2013, 08:09:01 PM
Just thinking.

If Desiree and Kaine were not led to believe by those within the investigation that Terri was behind the disappearance of their son ... it makes sense that they would not be wasting time and effort targeting her.  Kyron's parents would be going in a different directions for the answers that they are desperately seeking.

Could it be that investigators were caught between a rock and a hard place.  "Confidential" investigative info encompassing the alleged "hit" as well as the disappearance of Kyron was shared to assure steps were taken to protect the well-being of Kiara, Desiree and Kaine ... "confidential" investigative info that afforded Kaine a RO as well as sole custody of his daughter?

Janet



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 15, 2013, 08:10:20 PM
REMINDER

Judge to rule by Monday on what discovery Terri Horman can obtain prior to divorce, child custody hearing
September 13, 2013


Terri Moulton Horman's lawyers have issued about 10 subpoenas, demanding to question Tuesday one of the lead sheriff's investigators in the disappearance of her stepson Kyron, as well as faculty of Skyline School, the boy's former classmates and employees of various businesses, including Fred Meyer, 24-Hour Fitness and Magic Dry Cleaners.

The depositions, Horman's lawyers argued in court Friday, are necessary to gather information to defend Terri Horman as a fit parent who deserves to spend time with her daughter, Kiara, a 4-year-old. Terri Horman hasn't been permitted to see her daughter in more than three years. Kiara has lived exclusively with her father.

Her attorneys, Peter Bunch and Stephen Houze, pointedly told a judge Friday that they need to learn what information law enforcement shared with Terri Horman's husband, Kaine Horman, which led him to mount "an onslaught of public relation attacks" against Terri Horman and accuse her of criminal acts.

"We are entitled to know what they know,'' Houze said.

Houze said Terri Horman must combat the many "public pronouncements" and assertions in legal documents by Kaine Horman and Kyron's mom Desiree Young that Terri Horman is responsible in some way for Kyron's disappearance.

He argued that Terri Horman must defend herself against "the canard that has been spread" by Kaine Horman and Young's pronouncements, which he contended were "all designed to condition the public and to persuade the public she is a terrible person" and helped turn her into "public enemy No. 1.''

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Multnomah County Circuit Court Judge Henry Kantor said he'd make a ruling on what discovery will be allowed by Monday.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/09/judge_to_rule_by_monday_on_wha.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 15, 2013, 10:59:17 PM
LESS THAN ONE MONTH following the disappearance of little Kyron and ... FOUR days following Kaine leaving with Kiara ... Terri is having an affair/sexting with someone she recently met.

Janet

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Kaine Horman: High-School Friend Contacted Family After Kyron Disappeared, Then Started Affair
July 12th, 2010

http://www.wweek.com/portland/blog-972-kaine_horman_high_school_friend_contacted_family_a.html

Court doc: Kaine accuses Terri of sexual affair
Published: Jul 12, 2010
http://www.katu.com/news/local/98272674.html

http://images.bimedia.net/documents/motion.pdf





 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 16, 2013, 12:58:50 PM

Judge rules Terri Horman's lawyers can't depose investigator or students, but can question Skyline School teachers, various business staff
September 16, 2013 at 9:52 AM


Lawyers for Terri Moulton Horman will not be able to question one of the lead sheriff's investigators in the disappearance of her stepson Kyron Horman, but can start deposing faculty at the missing boy's school, and adults at area businesses, according to a judge's court ruling Monday.

Multnomah County Circuit Court Judge Henry Kantor also said Horman's lawyers could not question young students who were subpoenaed by Terri Horman's lawyers. Kantor said he was concerned because they're minors and might divulge information they provided to a grand jury in the ongoing criminal inquiry, and he did not know whether the students or their parents had obtained lawyers.

Yet Kantor made it clear he will not postpone the pending divorce and child custody proceeding between Terri Horman and her estranged husband Kaine Horman, or delay discovery for that civil case as the Multnomah County district attorney's office had requested.

Kantor said Multnomah County chief deputy district attorney Don Rees' request to postpone all discovery because it would interfere with the ongoing criminal investigation into Kyron Horman's disappearance "is not persuasive and is not right.''

Had there been an arrest and pending criminal trial, that would be different, Kantor wrote.

Kyron, 7, vanished from Skyline School on June 4, 2010. Terri Horman had brought him to school early that day to attend a science fair. Kyron never made it back to his regular class but wasn't reported missing until later that afternoon when he didn't return home by school bus. The state's largest search-and-rescue operation turned up no traces of him. A criminal investigation continues with no arrests made.

Terri Horman hasn't been permitted to see her daughter Kiara in more than three years. The girl, now 4, has lived exclusively with her father.

Shortly after Kyron's disappearance, Kaine Horman obtained a restraining order against his wife, which prohibited her from having any contact with their daughter. He said he believed Terri Horman was responsible for his son's disapperance and had been involved in a murder-for-hire plot to kill him.

"In good conscience, this court cannot further delay the decision about whether to allow contact between the respondent and her young daughter without extraordinary circumstances,'' Kantor wrote in his 7-page order.  "It would be harmful to Kiara's best interests and welfare to postpone that discovery in a way which would postpone the trial.''

Attorneys and the judge expect that the earliest that a divorce and child custody hearing can proceed between Terri Horman and Kyron's father, Kaine Horman, is May 2014.

Kantor wrote that the guiding principle for the court is the "best interests and welfare of Kiara and the safety of the parties'' involved, and not Kyron's disappearance or any potential prosecution.

Kaine Horman intends to argue that his estranged wife is not fit to have parenting time with their daughter, now 4.

Terri Horman's lawyers argued in court Friday that their client deserves to know what information law enforcement provided Kaine Horman, to counter his "onslaught of public relation attacks'' that have made Terri Horman out to be "public enemy No. 1.''

Yet Kantor agreed with Multnomah County's counsel that Multomah County sheriff's deputy Bobby O'Donnell, one of the lead investigators into Kyron's disappearance and an alleged murder-for-hire plot against Kyron's dad, should be protected from being questioned by Terri Horman's lawyers.

"It is neither necessary nor right to allow respondent (Terri Horman) to examine Deputy O'Donnell about his investigation,'' Kantor wrote.

Citing state statutes, Kantor ruled that the public officer's conversations with the parents of the missing child and his investigative documents "are highly privileged and confidential.''

Terrri Horman's lawyers have also subpoened employees of three businesses and sought surveillance images from a Fred Meyer, a 24-Hour Fitness gym and Magic Cleaners. Kantor said he found no reason to restrict those depositions, or to limit their efforts to obtain surveillance footage from June 4, 2010. However, the judge said he would not allow Terri Horman's lawyers to seek documents or evidence from the business employees on what they said to law enforcement.

"In sum, the court is allowing the respondent (Terri Horman) to conduct her own investigation into and discovery of the relevant facts and evidence (except for the minor students a this time) in order to prepare for the eventual trial,'' Kantor wrote.

Kantor said he's also open to revisiting any of the deposition matters, should circumstances change.

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http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/09/judge_rules_terri_hormans_lawy.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 16, 2013, 01:38:30 PM
In the custody challenge ... it appears in his efforts to retain sole custody of Kiara ... Kaine is allowed to use investigative info he has been privy to by Deputy Robert O'Donnel but ... Terri will not be afforded the same investigative info.

I am far from a Terri advocate but something seems to be very wrong with this picture.  Think about it.  Three years following the disappearance of Kyron ... Terri has yet to be charge with ANYTHING criminal.  Does that imply that she is innocent of wrongdoing.  No way!  However ... it does imply from a legal perspective that she is innocent until proven guilty.

Janet

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Judge: Terri Horman's lawyers cannot question lead investigator
Posted on September 16, 2013 at 9:30 AM
Updated today at 9:42 AM


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In the divorce case, Kaine Horman is seeking to prove that his estranged wife is not a fit parent for their 4-year-old daughter, Kiara. He intends to use evidence from the ongoing criminal investigation, according to Multnomah County Circuit Court Judge Henry Kantor.

Terri Horman's attorneys have argued that they should be given access to the investigation's findings in order to counter Kaine Horman's claims. They sought to interview Multnomah County Deputy Robert O'Donnell, one of the lead investigators in the case.

Judge Kantor Monday granted a motion filed by Kaine Horman's attorneys to stop Terri Horman's attorneys from questioning deputy O'Donnell.

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http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Judge-Terri-Hormans-lawyers-cannot-subpoena-lead-investgator-223927381.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 16, 2013, 01:50:07 PM
Judge rules Terri Horman's lawyers can't question investigator
Published: Sep 16, 2013 at 10:24 AM PDT
Last Updated: Sep 16, 2013 at 10:43 AM PDT


PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) — A Multnomah County judge has denied a request by Terri Horman's divorce attorneys to interview the lead investigator in the disappearance of her stepson.

Judge Henry Kantor ruled Monday that Oregon law makes clear that many aspects of an ongoing investigation are highly privileged and confidential.

Kyron Horman was 7 when he disappeared from his Portland school in 2010. Terri Horman drove Kyron to school that morning and is the last known person to see him.

<snipped>

Kaine Horman contends Terri Horman is responsible for the disappearance and should not be allowed parenting time with their 4-year-old daughter.

Terri Horman's lawyers said they should be privy to same to the information her husband has been given about the investigation.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/Judge-rules-Terri-Hormans-lawyers-cant-question-investigator-223935511.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Amys Sister on September 16, 2013, 02:29:09 PM
I agree Tamikosmom.  Houze should have been allowed to depo O'Donnell regarding the alleged murder for hire since it was brought into the civil court years ago by Kaine via a restraining order.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 16, 2013, 03:17:51 PM
I agree Tamikosmom.  Houze should have been allowed to depo O'Donnell regarding the alleged murder for hire since it was brought into the civil court years ago by Kaine via a restraining order.




My feelings are so mixed

I would hate if Terry were to have unsupervised contact with her daughter IF she attempted a hit on Kaine ... IF she was behind the disappearance of Kyron.

I suspect that the investigative team was between a rock and a hard place.  It had gathered credible backup circumstantial evidence that implicates Terri but not enough to make an arrest.   Could it be that that O'Donnell was motivated to share with Desiree and Kaine so that they could take steps to protect themselves and to protect Kiara?  Thus the restraining order ... the eviction order and ... the custody order.

However ... could it be that Kaine and Desiree do not know details ... details that would compromise the ongoing investigation ... details that are only circumstantial.  O'Donnell was not about to share those details with Kyron's parents and he is not about to share those details while deposed.

Nevertheless ... the way it is now ... Terri is being vilified on hearsay that O'Donnell shared with Kaine there is credible circumstantial evidence that Terri attempted a hit on him and ... there is credible circumstantial evidence that Terri was behind the disappearance of Kyron.

Amys Sister ... I hope I made sense.  I know what I mean but I am having difficulty articulating.

Janet

 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 16, 2013, 03:29:04 PM

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Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: alismom on September 16, 2013, 06:55:24 PM
This photo always brings tears to my eyes.. He looked so proud.. Praying you will be found Kyron, you are loved by your family and so many who never met you..


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 16, 2013, 06:55:46 PM
Judge: Terri Horman's lawyers cannot question lead investigator
September 16, 2013


Judge Kantor Monday granted a motion filed by Kaine Horman's attorneys to stop Terri Horman's attorneys from questioning deputy O'Donnell.

<snipped>

"Everyone connected with this case knows and agrees that the court's guiding principles...are the best interests and welfare of Kiara and the safety of the parties," Kantor said in the order.

http://www.nwcn.com/news?fId=223927381&fPath=/news/local&fDomain=10202


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 17, 2013, 12:35:45 AM
Kaine Horman and Desiree Young to appear on 'Dr. Phil' Show on Tuesday
September 16, 2013


The parents of Kyron Horman, who vanished from Skyline School on June 4, 2010, will appear on the "Dr. Phil" Show on Tuesday, according to a trailer of the show.

In the videotaped trailer posted online, Dr. Phil is seated between Kaine Horman, Kyron's father, and Desiree Young, Kyron's mom.

He asks the pair, "Why have you all not spoken in three years?'' and questions Young, "Do you blame him?'' as he motions to her ex-husband, Kaine Horman. He also asks the two what happened the night before Kyron went missing.

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The Dr. Phil Show's website posts this preview: "Kaine and Desiree presented a united front with the goal of finding their son. But just a few months later, the two stopped communicating. In an exclusive interview, the parents reunite for the first time on Dr. Phil's stage. Hear why Desiree and Kaine say they believe Terri may know more than she's admitting.

What do they think may have happened to Kyron -- and why? And, are the parents willing to put aside past differences and work together again?

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http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/09/kaine_horman_and_desiree_young.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 17, 2013, 12:06:42 PM
Video clip previews from today's Dr. Phil Show with Desiree and Kaine can be viewed at the following link.

Janet

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Still Missing: Where is 7-Year-Old Kyron?
September 17, 201
3

In 2010, the disappearance of 7-year-old Kyron Horman grabbed headlines across the nation, and the case still remains unsolved. Kyron’s divorced parents, Desiree and Kaine, stopped communicating several months into the search for their son. Now, the parents reunite in an exclusive interview with Dr. Phil. Hear why Desiree and Kaine say they think Kyron's stepmother, Terri, knows more than she's admitting. What do they think may have happened to Kyron — and why? And, are they willing to put aside past differences and work together?

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http://www.drphil.com/shows/show/2069


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Blink34 on September 17, 2013, 12:20:36 PM
Janet-

I just wanted to pay you a compliment as a long time poster and valued contributor to SM.  I have known you to be pretty fixed in your thinking on cases in the past, and imo, you are a critical thinker who knows how to look behind the scenes, so to speak.

In this case, probably more than in any other I have ever covered, I have seen folks so cemented to their theory of TMH guilt without any evidence of same.  

 It has, at times,  concerned me about people's ability to form conclusions that ultimately have them spewing hatred for an individual as well as anyone who might not agree with such directed anger and opinion.

(obviously you have never, nor would you behave this way, I am speaking of the folks of the Hater Crater).


Reading your recent posts as new information has been developed in this case gives me great hope that people can be open to putting Kyron, and in the instant matter, Kiara, above ego and truly care and appreciate the infringement on their rights this case has been.   I am not a fan of some of Terri's behavior, and I likely would have very little in common with her,  but I stand behind every word I have written in this case.

There is simply no question that LE's case against Terri hinged on info they believed Spicher had,  and considered her guilty of some sort of criminal contribution to their case in chief.  Instead of hiding behind the blue wall they need to be honest about the fact that they do not have one.   I support fully the need to protect the investigation into Kyron's disappearance as it is under Oregon law.  

HOWEVER.  That scope is very narrow and at NO TIME does it give them the right to sever the relationship between Mother and child without threat to that child, and as such, instigates a Child protective services investigation by law.

So on top of everything else, we have two rules of LE process and procedure broken over what appears to be " investigative strategy" a/k/a =  Police get to lie during an investigation.  Everyone knows that, even Judge Kantor.  Using that tactic to alienate parent and child is not legal under Oregon law.  Kantor can say there is no case law similar, but I disagree-  the family court system is filled with parental alienation decisions that have ALTERED custody as a result.  At it's root, even though I might not want to say that Kaine knew it was a lie when he acted on it because I don't know that to be true, Kiara's rights are not transferable to anyone.

1. Under Oregon Domestic Violence statute ( and FAPA applies)  if LE or Kaine believed Terri did try to kill him, that allegation alone subjected her to arrest.  She was not, but it was enough to get 3 years of no-contact, and obviously no indictment or arrest of what would ALSO be considered under the law as two separate and distinct criminal acts.  This is in violation of the law.

2. Kaine's affidavit regarding Terri being under investigation for acts of violence,  which was an adjunct to similarly worded accusations which resulted in concern for Kiara safety,  should have necessitated a CPS inquiry, which would have included BOTH parents.  Now, CPS cannot infringe upon anyone's civil rights, but at that point Kiara would have been granted a GAL.   I assure you I have no idea to date why this has not been an order of the court.


At any rate, I hope your example of reviewing info objectively as it becomes available via verified sources and applying it to your thinking is hopeful to others that may think similarly, but might feel intimidated to say so.

Brava,  Janet.

B


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: bluetilt on September 17, 2013, 12:59:45 PM
hello bluetilt, TY for the info i was going by memory on the gym and FM
locations, ( i should know better LOL), bluetilt the addy you posted, for
the FM, would that be TMHs FM #1 or the FM #2, and if it is the FM #1
do you know the FM #2  addy , TYIA
ok group as you have read, i have the locations wrong, lesson learned
dont rely on a 3yr old memory,so disregard my last post please
sometimes achieving continuity is a tough

disregard my last post please
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9941.msg1576261#msg1576261

I've only heard the FM #1 referenced on the news from an email communication they obtained between TH and unnamed source.
That one is

Fred Meyer
22075 Northwest Imbrie Drive
Hillsboro, OR 97124

It's a straight shot going from the school on Skyline, to Cornelius Pass, as Imbrie is off Corn Pass and you can actually just turn into the FM off Corn Pass if you want.

Hope that helps! =)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 17, 2013, 01:15:08 PM

Blink ... you and I are not always on the same page with our contentions but ... I do appreciate all your efforts on behalf of those who do not have a voice.

Janet
 

Janet, I sincerely appreciate that, thank you.

I pray for this wee man daily and for answers in what happened to him.  As long as we all do that until he is found,  I don't think it matters we might have different contentions on occasion.


BOTTOM LINE!

 :smt060



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 17, 2013, 01:53:43 PM
Blink

Could it be that LE has gathered circumstantial evidence that there was a hit on Kaine ... circumstantial evidence that Terri was behind the disappearance of Kyron ... circumstantial evidence that would compromised the ongoing investigation if released but ... not enough hard evidence to charge.  Should the well-being of Kaine and Kiaria not be a concern?  Think of the backlash against the judge if he award Terri joint custody and something should happen to Kaira.  Think about the Susan Powell case.

As I have stated ... my emotions are mixed.

Janet

+++++++


Kaine Horman and Desiree Young to appear on 'Dr. Phil' Show on Tuesday
September 16, 2013


<snipped>

On Monday, Kaine Horman released a written statement to local media, saying he'd be unavailable for comment for the next several weeks.

"Based on the current legal process and several activities either in-flight or recently completed I will be unavailable for comment for the next several weeks,'' he wrote in an email. He did say he wanted to emphasize that law enforcement is still actively investigating his son's disappearance and making progress.

<snipped.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/09/kaine_horman_and_desiree_young.html




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 17, 2013, 01:55:55 PM
Judge: Terri Horman's lawyers cannot question lead investigator
September 16, 2013


Judge Kantor Monday granted a motion filed by Kaine Horman's attorneys to stop Terri Horman's attorneys from questioning deputy O'Donnell.

<snipped>

"Everyone connected with this case knows and agrees that the court's guiding principles...are the best interests and welfare of Kiara and the safety of the parties," Kantor said in the order.

http://www.nwcn.com/news?fId=223927381&fPath=/news/local&fDomain=10202



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Blink34 on September 17, 2013, 02:38:34 PM
Blink

Could it be that LE has gathered circumstantial evidence that there was a hit on Kaine ... circumstantial evidence that Terri was behind the disappearance of Kyron ... circumstantial evidence that would compromised the ongoing investigation if released but ... not enough hard evidence to charge.  Should the well-being of Kaine and Kiaria not be a concern?  Think of the backlash against the judge if he award Terri joint custody and something should happen to Kaira.  Think about the Susan Powell case.

As I have stated ... my emotions are mixed.

Janet

+++++++


Kaine Horman and Desiree Young to appear on 'Dr. Phil' Show on Tuesday
September 16, 2013


<snipped>

On Monday, Kaine Horman released a written statement to local media, saying he'd be unavailable for comment for the next several weeks.

"Based on the current legal process and several activities either in-flight or recently completed I will be unavailable for comment for the next several weeks,'' he wrote in an email. He did say he wanted to emphasize that law enforcement is still actively investigating his son's disappearance and making progress.

<snipped.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/09/kaine_horman_and_desiree_young.html




Janet- I wish.  I wish I believed that circumstantial evidence pointed to TMH.  The threshold to seek indictment is very, very low for a circumstantial case and again, I reitterate that we know, without question, that LE felt the strongest possible evidence of TMH guilt was DDS, who had none.

So no, I do not believe there is anything in terms of indictable information against TMH or she would have been indicted.  We are into the second prosecution admin in this case that was unapposed for election so it was not like there was any pressure in that regard.   I would also note that we know the jury from the first go around did not issue a true bill, but not as to why, and under Oregon law, if they did not, we never will. 

My sources in this case are strong, and as a confirmation of that,  it was based on my article dated August 6th that depositions were sought of PPS employees Hall and Mathews were granted. 

I have seen many say that TMH silence is to blame, from where I sit, she is doing all she can to make her case under the confines to which she is restricted.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 17, 2013, 03:36:36 PM
The Rock and the Hard Place

The System is "d----- if it does and d----- if it doesn't".

Janet

+++++

FOOD FOR THOUGHT

The Murder Of Susan Powell's Two Young Boys At The Hands Of Their Father
2/05/2012

http://www.forbes.com/sites/crime/2012/02/05/the-murder-of-susan-powells-two-young-boys-by-the-hands-of-their-father/2/

Parental rights vs. child safety: Should boys have been visiting Josh Powell? (+video)
February 6, 2012

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2012/0206/Parental-rights-vs.-child-safety-Should-boys-have-been-visiting-Josh-Powell-video



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: cw618 on September 17, 2013, 03:43:19 PM

i think i got the addies and the from - to order correct
i have not added any extra time,just going by reports
no stops just drive in traffic, from - to, is 21.7 mi, 41 mins
not sure,im thinking TMH went to cleaners after FM #2
or maybe just b4 the gym,as TMH said she drove Kiara
around for about 1.5hrs
--------------------------
Skyline School
11536 NW Skyline Blvd, Portland, OR

Fred Meyer #1- around 9 a.m
22075 NW Imbrie Dr, Hillsboro, OR 97124

Fred Meyer #2 - 10 a.m.
15995 SW Walker Rd, Beaverton, OR 97006

arrival and depart time unknown
MAGIC CLEANERS IS ON WALKER ROAD SAME COMPLEX / BLDG as FRED MEYERS ON WALKER RD
16035 Southwest Walker Road
Beaverton, OR 97006

24 Hour Fitness  11:39am-- 12:20pm
1265 NW Waterhouse Ave, Beaverton, OR

home posts pic around 1:20pm
15725 Northwest Sheltered Nook Road Portland, OR 97231
map
http://goo.gl/maps/dIVCX
--------------------------------
Quote
Aug 11, 2010 at 11:23 AM PDT Last Updated: Aug 11, 2010 at 6:48 PM PDT
Additionally, they’re hoping to talk with people who saw the truck at the Fred Meyer in Hillsboro on Imbrie Drive
around 9 a.m. and at the Fred Meyer on Walker Road in Beaverton at 10 a.m.
 http://www.katu.com/news/local/100455014.html
----------------------
timeline
on June 10, 2010 at 3:22 PM, updated June 01, 2012 at 3:21 PM
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_chronology_of_eve.html
-------------
bluetilt, TY for the info


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: bluetilt on September 17, 2013, 03:55:25 PM

i think i got the addies and the from - to order correct
i have not added any extra time,just going by reports
no stops just drive in traffic, from - to, is 21.7 mi, 41 mins
not sure,im thinking TMH went to cleaners after FM #2
or maybe just b4 the gym,as TMH said she drove Kiara
around for about 1.5hrs
--------------------------
Skyline School
11536 NW Skyline Blvd, Portland, OR

Fred Meyer #1- around 9 a.m
22075 NW Imbrie Dr, Hillsboro, OR 97124

Fred Meyer #2 - 10 a.m.
15995 SW Walker Rd, Beaverton, OR 97006

arrival and depart time unknown
MAGIC CLEANERS IS ON WALKER ROAD SAME COMPLEX / BLDG as FRED MEYERS ON WALKER RD
16035 Southwest Walker Road
Beaverton, OR 97006

24 Hour Fitness  11:39am-- 12:20pm
1265 NW Waterhouse Ave, Beaverton, OR

home posts pic around 1:20pm
15725 Northwest Sheltered Nook Road Portland, OR 97231
map
http://goo.gl/maps/dIVCX
--------------------------------
Quote
Aug 11, 2010 at 11:23 AM PDT Last Updated: Aug 11, 2010 at 6:48 PM PDT
Additionally, they’re hoping to talk with people who saw the truck at the Fred Meyer in Hillsboro on Imbrie Drive
around 9 a.m. and at the Fred Meyer on Walker Road in Beaverton at 10 a.m.
 http://www.katu.com/news/local/100455014.html
----------------------
timeline
on June 10, 2010 at 3:22 PM, updated June 01, 2012 at 3:21 PM
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_chronology_of_eve.html
-------------
bluetilt, TY for the info

no problem. thanks for putting the link from KATU about the FM on Imbrie. I forgot about that! =)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 17, 2013, 04:24:04 PM

Kyron Horman's mother to drop civil suit in son's disappearance
July 30, 2013


Now, after emerging Tuesday morning from a closed-door status hearing before Judge Henry Kantor, Young and her attorney Elden Rosenthal confirmed that they've dropped the civil suit.

"It is with great disappointment that I make this difficult decision'" Young said.

Young spoke out on the steps of the Justice Center, the same site where she announced the filing of the civil suit a year earlier.

<snipped>

When announcing the civil suit a year ago, Rosenthal pledged to use all the tools that are afforded to him in a civil case "to peel away the layers of mystery surrounding Kyron's disappearance.''

For the civil case to proceed, Rosenthal said both parties to it would need to review the criminal investigative file and documents.

"We don't want to do anything to impede the case," Rosenthal said.

Asked if he could have foreseen this a year ago when he filed the civil suit amid the ongoing criminal inquiry, Rosenthal declined comment.

“In order for my lawyers to move forward with the case at this point, it would be necessary for them to seek access to the police criminal investigation files,” Young said. “My lawyers have advised me that the Oregon Public Records Disclosure Law does not provide the release of ongoing police investigation files.”

“I don’t want anything to compromise the ongoing investigation for Kyron,” Young said. “For these reasons, I have instructed my attorneys to dismiss the civil case.”

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/07/kyron_hormans_mother_to_drop_c.html


Could it be that Desiree and Kaine are not aware of THE DETAILS encompassing the investigative info that was shared with them encompassing a hit and Terri's involvement in the disappearance of Kyron?  Could it be that this circumstantial evidence does not reach the level of indictment but if revealed could jeopardize the ongoing investigation?

Janet


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 17, 2013, 04:46:23 PM
The Dr. Phil Show begins in approximately 10 minutes in my nic of the woods.

Janet
1:51 PM PDT


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: cw618 on September 17, 2013, 05:36:39 PM
i know this has been hashed b4, but since the new info on the dry cleaner
stop,thought i would look again,JMO, i would say 45mins could be used up
of the, 1hr 28 mins of unaccounted for time, spent shopping and talking
what im thinking is there prob, will be another unknown stop come out
monkeys if my math is bad,point it out, maybe a mod will fix

TMH  6/4/2010 9am to 1:20pm = 4hr 20 mins
TMH timetable travel time on map and gym time

school to FM #1----5.2 mi – about 10 mins
FM #1 to FM #2----4.5 mi – about 9 mins
FM #2 to MC ------184 ft
MC to gym   --------1.1 mi – about 3 mins
gym to home-------10.9 mi – about 19 mins = 21.7 mi, 41 mins

gym time-----11:39 - 12:20 ----41 mins
time spent in stores----unknown
drive kiara  TMH says 1.5hrs
total----2hr 52 mins .... 4hr 20 mins.. minus ..2hr 52 mins = 1hr 28 mins
-------------
map
http://goo.gl/maps/dIVCX


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 17, 2013, 06:22:02 PM

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/971625_596089393756819_346404003_n.jpg)


Kaine and Desire revealed to Dr. Phil that Terri related three stories relating the last time she saw Kyron ... none that indicated she stepped foot in her stepson's classroom.  When was the above photo taken?
 
My take on the interview?  Great!  I am anticipating a posted video and/or transcript.

Janet




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: texasmom on September 17, 2013, 06:45:07 PM
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151855472758909&set=a.135499773908.107937.44770548908&type=1&relevant_count=1&ref=nf

(https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/q71/1235298_10151855472758909_1043822514_n.jpg)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: texasmom on September 17, 2013, 06:45:52 PM

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151855472758909&set=a.135499773908.107937.44770548908&type=1&relevant_count=1&ref=nf

(https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/q71/1235298_10151855472758909_1043822514_n.jpg)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 17, 2013, 08:13:29 PM
Kyron Horman's parents confront each other on Dr. Phil show
September 17, 2013


PORTLAND –  Kyron Horman’s parents, Kaine Horman and Desiree Young, haven’t spoken in three years. But on Tuesday, they both appeared on the Dr. Phil show to discuss their son's disappearance and warning signs they may have missed.

The Kyron Horman case grabbed national headlines after the young boy went missing in 2010. His  parents have both said they believe Kaine’s wife Terri is responsible for Kyron’s disappearance, although she has never been named as an official suspect in the case. Terri was also accused of hiring a landscaper to murder Kaine.

With her voice breaking, Young discussed the moments after Kyron disappeared and when she first started to suspect that Terri had done something to her son, who went missing from his school during a science fair. .....

<snipped>

Read more/Video clips
http://www.kgw.com/news/Kyron-Hormans-parents-confront-each-other-on-Dr-Phil-224146021.html



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 17, 2013, 11:10:16 PM


Still Missing: Where is 7-Year-Old Kyron?
September 17, 2013


In 2010, the disappearance of 7-year-old Kyron Horman grabbed headlines across the nation, and the case still remains unsolved. Kyron’s divorced parents, Desiree and Kaine, stopped communicating several months into the search for their son. Now, the parents reunite in an exclusive interview with Dr. Phil. Hear why Desiree and Kaine say they think Kyron's stepmother, Terri, knows more than she's admitting. What do they think may have happened to Kyron — and why? And, are they willing to put aside past differences and work together? ....

<snipped>

Read more:
http://www.drphil.com/shows/show/2069



(http://www.drphil.com/assets/3/32c99a255f282dc5c50b109371dd7ae3.jpg)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 18, 2013, 07:10:26 PM

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/971625_596089393756819_346404003_n.jpg)



When Desiree shared with Dr. Phil that there were two stories that Terri related to investigators regarding where in the school she left Kyron on the morning of June 4th ... two stories that do not include enter the room where the Science Fair displays were set up ... the question left hanging was ... "When did Terri take the photo?".

Other than eight year old Tanner ... was Kyron ... was Terri ... positively observed by anyone?

Janet

++++++


Kyron Horman: Online speculation grows regarding last photo taken of missing Oregon boy
June 23, 2010

 
Kyron Horman update: Online speculation grows regarding last photo taken of missing Oregon boy (photos)

According to one Portland, Oregon publication, many followers of the Kyron Horman case have been wondering about the photo taken of the second-grander, showing him standing in front of a science project he created. His stepmother, Terri Horman reportedly took the photo when the two were at Skyline School for the science fair on June 4 -- the day Kyron vanished.

Willamette Week reports that the photo was posted on Horman’s Facebook page only hours after she reported the 7-year-old missing when he failed to come home on the school bus that day. She told authorities the last time she saw Kyron was at about 8:45 a.m. as he was walking to his classroom after the science fair.

Message board postings have contained speculation that Horman may have “doctored” or edited the photo to place Kyron at the fair that day.

According to WW, one reader discovered another photo from Horman’s Facebook page that shows Kyron’s exhibit, but without Kyron standing in front of it. There is a man seen in the background on the left of the image.

The publication forwarded the discovery to the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office and were told by Lt. Mary Lindstrand, a spokesperson for the department, that the office was following up on all information and tips.

<snipped>

http://www.examiner.com/article/kyron-horman-online-speculation-grows-regarding-last-photo-taken-of-missing-oregon-boy-photos


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 18, 2013, 07:18:44 PM
I know nothing about photo shopping but reading back on the SM Kyron Discussion Thread on July 1, 2010 ... a Monkey mentioned something regarding Kyron's left arm appearing to be missing in the photo of him taken in front of his science project.

Janet

++++++

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8199.240






Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: cw618 on September 20, 2013, 12:43:01 AM
in this vid Desiree says that terri sent an email, that terri says she is leaving
kain,the next day (6-4-2010) after an argument the nite of 6-3-1010.
but terri must have changed her mind, as she did her errands,and went home
or maybe she said, she was leaving out of anger,kain says there was no argument
IDK, i cant think of a reason why the bios, would lie about the email or argument

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFgQRPA7u6o&feature=endscreen


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 20, 2013, 12:07:06 PM
Thanks cw618

I was hoping a video would emerge of the entire Desiree/Kaine interview with Dr. Phil.

Janet

++++++

The Desiree/Kaine Dr. Phil Interview

Dr. Phil Part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xudmj4Oqco

Dr. Phil Part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkicnZndc0s

Dr. Phil Part 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFgQRPA7u6o

H/T - StcPnkLdy



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 20, 2013, 12:35:30 PM
in this vid Desiree says that terri sent an email, that terri says she is leaving
kain,the next day (6-4-2010) after an argument the nite of 6-3-1010.
but terri must have changed her mind, as she did her errands,and went home
or maybe she said, she was leaving out of anger,kain says there was no argument
IDK, i cant think of a reason why the bios, would lie about the email or argument

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFgQRPA7u6o&feature=endscreen

cw618

Apparently ... according to her own words in the video (2:45) Desiree has seen the email Terri sent to a friend ... the email detailing the fight between Kaine and Terri ... the fight that began on the evening of June 3, 2010 and continued to the wee hours of June 4, 2010.  I can only assume that LE has also seen it.

1.  Could it be that Terri vented in an email to her friend following the fight with Kaine and ... somehow Kyron became a target of that rage?  Think about past emails that have emerged where Terri shared with friends that she hated Kyron.

2.  Considering Kaine's denial that there was a fight ... the email that Desiree claims stated that Terri had made the decision to leave Kaine ... to divorce Kaine ... was a cover to what was really a calculated planned for June 4, 2010?

I just hope that stuff is going on behind the scenes in the investigation ... stuff that will cultivate in the truth encompassing the disappearance of Kyron Horman.  Justice demands it.

Janet




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 20, 2013, 01:31:08 PM
Food for Thought

Terri did not pick up Kyron's science project ... the pick up that motivated the switching of vehicles.  Terri did not attend the talent portion of the Science Fair ... the talent portion that Kyron was a scheduled participant.

Janet

+++++


Kaine Horman answers KATU's questions
Jul 17, 2010


<snipped>

KATU: Kaine, why did you and Terri switch cars the day Kyron disappeared? Did you typically drive the white truck, and Terri the red mustang? Did she request to have the truck that day?

Kaine: I typically drive the truck and Terri drives the car. She wanted to use the truck to bring Kyron’s science fair project home, easier done with the truck than the car, although she did not stay for the duration of the science fair - per her statements that the media has reported.

<snipped>

http://www.katu.com/news/98654424.html


Kyron Horman: Timeline of events since boy's disappearance
June 01, 2012


<snipped>

Friday, June 4

8 a.m. Skyline Elementary, 11536 N.W. Skyline Blvd., opens early so students and parents can tour the science fair. A billboard outside reads: "June 4, I.B. Inquiry Expo, 8-10, Talent show, 1-2:45." Kyron was to take part in both the expo/science fair and the talent show.

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_chronology_of_eve.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: cw618 on September 20, 2013, 02:17:14 PM
i think Desiree was confused about the doors,she called it the east door, and the door
she is talking about, is the west door, see my link for an image, and that makes me question
just how did TMH leave the school, seems it would make more sense  to go towards doors,
that lead to the parking lot, right down the hall from kyrons classroom, if that is where TMH
parked,the door Desiree is talking about is above the soccer field and access road,and the
door is on the lower level
from vid
Desiree says that TMH was at the east door,and there is a wall and she dosent think
TMH could see the hall from there, kaine agrees
@ about 9:40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xudmj4Oqco
my img
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B0VtiYoM3gyYckdHUEw3MlJOLTA/edit?usp=sharing
@59 sec you can see the east door down from kyrons classroom
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RK3kMGWxfk
tandy in hall going to stairwell that leads to west entry
http://i2.squidoocdn.com/resize/squidoo_images/590/draft_lens13887171module123514871photo_1286078950janitor_bill_tandy_kyron_ (http://i2.squidoocdn.com/resize/squidoo_images/590/draft_lens13887171module123514871photo_1286078950janitor_bill_tandy_kyron_)
outside of the west entry
http://i780.photobucket.com/albums/yy81/gwenabob/Skyline%20School/SkylineSchool015.jpg
floorplan
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee226/acreesefamily/Photos/SkylineElem.jpg
Gmap
http://goo.gl/maps/6Rrca


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: cw618 on September 20, 2013, 02:17:58 PM
Thanks cw618

I was hoping a video would emerge of the entire Desiree/Kaine interview with Dr. Phil.

Janet

++++++

The Desiree/Kaine Dr. Phil Interview

Dr. Phil Part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xudmj4Oqco

Dr. Phil Part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkicnZndc0s

Dr. Phil Part 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFgQRPA7u6o

H/T - StcPnkLdy



YW


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 20, 2013, 07:58:29 PM
In August, 2010 ... ten months following the breakup ... Dede's former boyfriend brought attention to himself when he agreed to an interview with the local media.  Then on October 5, 2012 ... Dede was questioned about this same guy in the lawsuit deposition.  What dots was Desiree's attorney attempting to connect?

Janet

+++++++

DeDe Spicher's former boyfriend describes Terri Moulton Horman's friend as a 'high-energy, dynamic' person who changed dramatically
August 19, 2010

<snipped>

.... has volunteered as a child's advocate in Multnomah County for more than a decade, said he dated Spicher for about 10 months, and they had even talked of marriage, but their relationship fell apart in early August 2009

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/dede_spichers_former_boyfriend.html

http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/jasonw.pdf


DeDe Spicher Lawsuit Desposition - October - October 5, 2012
Pages 16 & 17
http://www.katu.com/news/98654424.html



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 20, 2013, 08:11:41 PM
Self Edit

I provided the wrong link in my last post.

Janet

+++++

DeDe Spicher Lawsuit Desposition - October - October 5, 2012
Pages 16 & 17
http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/DeDe-watermarked-1.pdf

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/10/terri_hormans_friend_dede_spic.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 20, 2013, 08:37:16 PM
In the latest divorce/custody hearing ... I was wondering why Terri's attorney was not attempting to depose the landscaper.

Janet

+++++

Judge delays Horman divorce ruling until January
Oct 8, 2010


<snipped>

Peter Bunch said he's asked for Terri Horman calls to 9-1-1, back to Dec 26th but was denied by Sheriff's office saying it's part of "ongoing Investigation." He's tried to serve the landscaper, Rudy Sanchez with subpoena for deposition, but prosecutors wouldn't give him contact information because of the "ongoing investigation."  Bunch said Terri called 911 when Sanchez showed up at her house wired "trying to talk to about something"

<snipped>

http://www.katu.com/news/local/104507829.html





Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 20, 2013, 11:11:50 PM
I also believe along with Desiree and Kaine that Kyron is alive.  Could it be it was all about an attempt to save a crumbling  marriage.  In other words ... it was not about harming Kyron?  Considering Kaine refused to afford custody to Desiree ... could it be that Kyron was passed off to someone who had been led to believe Kyron was at risk ... someone with connections ... connections who would provide a safe environment?  Think about the emails from Terri to friends ... emails where she shared that she hated her step-son.

Janet

++++++


The parents of missing Kyron Horman speak for the first time in three years on Dr Phil
19 September 2013


<snipped>

Both Young and Horman said they believe he is alive somewhere.

'I will until the day that I die. I still believe that he's going to come through the door.'

Horman said he thinks the fact that no clues have turned up only increases the likelihood that Kyron lives

<snipped>

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2424985/Kyron-Hormans-parents-speak-missing-child-Dr-Phil.html



(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/09/19/article-2424985-1BE85EB2000005DC-127_634x417.jpg)

Hope: Desiree Young (picture with Kyron) said she still believes her son is going to walk through her door alive



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 20, 2013, 11:43:57 PM
Still Missing: Where is 7-Year-Old Kyron?
September 17, 2013


<snipped>

Desiree also says Terri asked her to take custody of Kyron, but Kaine told her that it wasn't an option. “I should have fought harder, and I would go back in a second to fix it if I could,” Desiree says, through tears. “I will never in this lifetime forgive myself.”

<snipped>

http://www.drphil.com/shows/show/2069/


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 21, 2013, 02:53:34 PM
Could it be that arrests will be forthcoming in the Kyron Horman case prior to May, 2014?  Kaine cannot continually be granted sole custody of Kiara on "heresay" investigative evidence he was privy to  ... "heresay" investigative evidence that implies there was a MFH ... "heresay" investigative evidence that implies Terri was involved in the disappearance of Kyron.

Janet

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b]Judge rules Terri Horman's lawyers can't depose investigator or students, but can question Skyline School teachers, various business staff
September 16, 2013[/b]

<snipped>

Attorneys and the judge expect that the earliest that a divorce and child custody hearing can proceed between Terri Horman and Kyron's father, Kaine Horman, is May 2014.

Kantor wrote that the guiding principle for the court is the "best interests and welfare of Kiara and the safety of the parties'' involved, and not Kyron's disappearance or any potential prosecution.

Kaine Horman intends to argue that his estranged wife is not fit to have parenting time with their daughter, now 4.

Terri Horman's lawyers argued in court Friday that their client deserves to know what information law enforcement provided Kaine Horman, to counter his "onslaught of public relation attacks'' that have made Terri Horman out to be "public enemy No. 1.''

Yet Kantor agreed with Multnomah County's counsel that Multomah County sheriff's deputy Bobby O'Donnell, one of the lead investigators into Kyron's disappearance and an alleged murder-for-hire plot against Kyron's dad, should be protected from being questioned by Terri Horman's lawyers.

"It is neither necessary nor right to allow respondent (Terri Horman) to examine Deputy O'Donnell about his investigation,'' Kantor wrote.

Citing state statutes, Kantor ruled that the public officer's conversations with the parents of the missing child and his investigative documents "are highly privileged and confidential.''

Terrri Horman's lawyers have also subpoened employees of three businesses and sought surveillance images from a Fred Meyer, a 24-Hour Fitness gym and Magic Cleaners. Kantor said he found no reason to restrict those depositions, or to limit their efforts to obtain surveillance footage from June 4, 2010. However, the judge said he would not allow Terri Horman's lawyers to seek documents or evidence from the business employees on what they said to law enforcement.

"In sum, the court is allowing the respondent (Terri Horman) to conduct her own investigation into and discovery of the relevant facts and evidence (except for the minor students a this time) in order to prepare for the eventual trial,'' Kantor wrote.

Kantor said he's also open to revisiting any of the deposition matters, should circumstances change.

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/09/judge_rules_terri_hormans_lawy.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: bluetilt on September 22, 2013, 10:38:23 PM
i think Desiree was confused about the doors,she called it the east door, and the door
she is talking about, is the west door, see my link for an image, and that makes me question
just how did TMH leave the school, seems it would make more sense  to go towards doors,
that lead to the parking lot, right down the hall from kyrons classroom, if that is where TMH
parked,the door Desiree is talking about is above the soccer field and access road,and the
door is on the lower level
from vid
Desiree says that TMH was at the east door,and there is a wall and she dosent think
TMH could see the hall from there, kaine agrees
@ about 9:40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xudmj4Oqco
my img
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B0VtiYoM3gyYckdHUEw3MlJOLTA/edit?usp=sharing
@59 sec you can see the east door down from kyrons classroom
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RK3kMGWxfk
tandy in hall going to stairwell that leads to west entry
http://i2.squidoocdn.com/resize/squidoo_images/590/draft_lens13887171module123514871photo_1286078950janitor_bill_tandy_kyron_ (http://i2.squidoocdn.com/resize/squidoo_images/590/draft_lens13887171module123514871photo_1286078950janitor_bill_tandy_kyron_)
outside of the west entry
http://i780.photobucket.com/albums/yy81/gwenabob/Skyline%20School/SkylineSchool015.jpg
floorplan
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee226/acreesefamily/Photos/SkylineElem.jpg
Gmap
http://goo.gl/maps/6Rrca


This is the west side door (taken looking through the glass in door) taken 7/2010
(http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t166/ubrmel/SKYLINE%20SCHOOL/th_WESTsideDOOR.jpg) (http://s160.photobucket.com/user/ubrmel/media/SKYLINE%20SCHOOL/WESTsideDOOR.jpg.html)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 23, 2013, 01:02:51 AM
Did Gina Zimmerman ******* Kyron Horman at the school on the morning of June 4, 2010?

Janet

++++++


ORIGINAL ARTICLE

Authorities upgrade search for missing Portland boy to major crimes investigation
By Allan Brettman, The Oregonian
June 05, 2010, 9:37AM


<snipped>

Gina Zimmerman, president of the school PTA, dropped by the Skyline search scene Saturday morning with her 8-year-old daughter Madi, who has been a classmate of Kyron for three years.

“He’s not the type of child who would just go out of school and go searching or wandering around,” Zimmerman said. “He’s just a timid, sweet boy.”

Zimmerman said she was in contact with the father, Kaine Korman, and stepmother, Terri Korman, and detectives Friday night. “Everybody’s just worried and in shock that this could happen in our little school where everybody knows everybody.”

She said the K-8 school has about 300 students.

Zimmerman said she arrived at the school around 8:15 a.m. Friday, as most parents and students did, to attend the end-of-year science fair. Terri Korman took a photograph of Kyron in front of his project, Zimmerman said.

<snipped>

Zimmerman said everyone went into their classroom for the science fair and broke into parent-led groups of four or five. She wasn’t sure what group Kyron was in. but she said the last time she saw him was at 8:15, when the groups began going from class to class.

“Then you were supposed to stay with your group. I don’t know what group he was in.”

Zimmerman said the boy has no learning disabilities. “He’s a good kid who follows the rules,” she said.

“We’re really close to the family, “ she added, noting that Kyron has a 16-year-old brother and a younger sister. “We’ve been on the phone with them all night.

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/search_for_missing_portland_bo.html

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8388.msg1213302;topicseen#msg1213302



UPDATED ARTICLE

Kyron Horman disappearance: Skyline school parents and students will be interviewed Sunday
By Allan Brettman, The Oregonian
on June 05, 2010 at 9:57 PM, updated June 18, 2010 at 4:59 PM


<snipped>

Zimmerman, the PTA president, briefly visited the school Saturday morning after spending part of Friday talking with Kyron's parents.

"We're very close," she said. "Everybody's just worried and in shock that this could happen in our little school where everybody knows everybody."

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/search_for_missing_portland_bo.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Sister on September 23, 2013, 11:27:00 AM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/missing-new1b.gif)


 ::FlyingFrog::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: cw618 on September 23, 2013, 03:43:45 PM
per this,see qoute,has me looking at whats what,and ending up questioning why TMH,would
not use a door on kyrons classroom floor to exit building
Quote
Desiree says that TMH was at the east door,and there is a wall and she dosent think
TMH could see the hall from there, kaine agrees
@ about 9:40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xudmj4Oqco

supposedly,TMH,went up this stairwell A,to take kyron to his class,and could not see past a wall
i think you have to make a right,to continue up stairwell,B and B2,is close up of wall, C is longview
down hall from east to west
A
(http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t166/ubrmel/SKYLINE%20SCHOOL/bth_WESTsideDOOR.jpg)
lg img
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t166/ubrmel/SKYLINE%20SCHOOL/WESTsideDOOR.jpg
B
(http://i2.squidoocdn.com/resize/squidoo_images/590/draft_lens13887171module123514871photo_1286078950janitor_bill_tandy_kyron_)
B2
(http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t166/ubrmel/SKYLINE%20SCHOOL/bth_IMG_20130922_063724_zps07274c42.jpg)
lg img
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t166/ubrmel/SKYLINE%20SCHOOL/IMG_20130922_063724_zps07274c42.jpg
C
(http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t166/ubrmel/SKYLINE%20SCHOOL/bth_LOOKINGinEASTdoor.jpg)
lg img
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t166/ubrmel/SKYLINE%20SCHOOL/LOOKINGinEASTdoor.jpg
 ----------------------------
when you go into the school from the south entry,img A, and you go up stairs,this is 
where you would be,see img B
notice the wall at the west entry stairwell,why wouldnt TMH just go to the east,or south doors
to leave the building,instead of going back down the stairs, and leave out what door?

A
(http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t166/ubrmel/SKYLINE%20SCHOOL/th_FrontDOORlookingIN_edited-1.jpg)
lg img
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t166/ubrmel/SKYLINE%20SCHOOL/FrontDOORlookingIN_edited-1.jpg

B
(http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t166/ubrmel/SKYLINE%20SCHOOL/bth_IMG_20130922_063724_zps07274c42.jpg)
lg img
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t166/ubrmel/SKYLINE%20SCHOOL/IMG_20130922_063724_zps07274c42.jpg

ubrmel's Library/
SKYLINE SCHOOL
http://s160.photobucket.com/user/ubrmel/library/SKYLINE%20SCHOOL

TY bluetilt and ubrmel










Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 23, 2013, 04:08:24 PM
(http://i.i.cbsi.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim//2010/08/17/Kyron_Horman_062510_079_3_540x405_370x278.jpg)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 23, 2013, 04:43:57 PM
At approximately 10:00 AM on June 4, 2010 ...Andrea Leckey affirms Terri Horman's claim that Kiara was not well.  However ... less that two hours later ... after allegedly driving rural roads ... Terri is at the gym working out for an hour.  Did any 24-hour Fitness employee testify at a Grand Jury hearing that a sick Kiara was at the establishment? 

Janet

+++++


August 17, 2010 11:19 AM
Kyron Horman Update: Witness Saw Stepmother Day 7-Year-Old Vanished


A woman who spoke with Kyron Horman's stepmother the day the 7-year-old disappeared shared her story with the Multnomah County grand jury last week, calling part of the encounter "odd."

Kyron vanished June 4 following a science fair at Skyline Elementary School.

That same day, between 9:30 and 10 a.m., Andrea Leckey ran into his stepmother, Terri Horman, at a Fred Meyer Department store in Beaverton, west of Portland. Lecky said it was the longest encounter they ever had.

During the conversation, Leckey said Terri mentioned just coming from the science fair at Skyline School, even showing her a picture of Kyron.

"The only thing that I think was significant about that time is that she showed me a picture of Kyron next to his project," said Leckey according to CBS affiliate KOIN. "I think the thing that seems odd about it perhaps is that we were just passing each other by and in a few seconds, with her daughter being sick in her arms, made a point to show me the picture."

Leckey formerly worked as a manager at Terri Horman's gym where they spoke to each other frequently, but always briefly.

At the time of their Fred Meyer encounter, Leckey said she was being polite and making chit-chat because she knew Horman's daughter was not feeling well.

"Did she seem different? Did she seem out of the ordinary? I can't say that she seemed any different to me than any other day," said Leckey.

<snipped>

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20013828-504083.html


Sources detail Terri’s timeline day Kyron disappeared
Published: Jul 23, 2010 at 7:17 PM PDT Last Updated: Jul 24, 2010 at


PORTLAND, Ore. - According to multiple sources, Terri Moulton Horman claims she left Skyline School at 8:45 in the morning without Kyron the day he disappeared and that between 8:45 a.m. and 10:10 a.m. she ran errands at local grocery stores and can prove it.

<snipped>

Between 10:10 in the morning and 11:39, Terri claimed she drove her daughter Kiara around on rural roads in the family’s white truck because Kiara had an earache. She claimed she was trying to soothe the toddler with the motion of the vehicle.

At 11:39 a.m., Terri checked in at a 24-hour Fitness in Beaverton on Waterhouse Avenue and worked out for about an hour until 12:40 p.m.

By 1:21, Terri claimed she'd traveled home - a distance of nearly 11 miles - and was posting photos on Facebook she'd taken that morning of  Kyron standing with his science project and of his friend, Kurtis, standing with his.

Sources said she also e-mailed the teacher to find out when she could come pick up the project as she had not taken it home.

<snipped>

http://www.katu.com/news/local/99151549.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 23, 2013, 05:06:13 PM

Quote
Desiree says that TMH was at the east door,and there is a wall and she dosent think
TMH could see the hall from there, kaine agrees
@ about 9:40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xudmj4Oqco


Respectfully snipped by Tamikosmom.


cw618 ... your are amazing!!  Thank you!

If Terri stated to investigators that she did not enter Kyron's classroom as Desiree claimed ... the question presented by Dr. Phil is huge ... the question "WHEN did Terri take the photo of Kyron in front of his display?"

Janet

+++++

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/971625_596089393756819_346404003_n.jpg)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 23, 2013, 05:32:30 PM

per this,see qoute,has me looking at whats what,and ending up questioning why TMH,would
not use a door on kyrons classroom floor to exit building

Quote
Desiree says that TMH was at the east door,and there is a wall and she dosent think
TMH could see the hall from there, kaine agrees

@ about 9:40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xudmj4Oqco


Respectfully snipped by Tamikosmom




cw618

Could it be that 8:45 AM was the moment in time that Terri left the building unnoticed through a back door and ... according to my theory ... handed Kyron over to another person who was parked out of sight nearby?

Think about it.  Less than one hour later ... Andrea Leckey had what she perceived as an "odd" encounter with Terry at at a Fred Meyer Department store in Beaverton.  Leckey states to the GJ that "it was the longest encounter they ever had."

Janet

+++++

Kyron Horman disappearance: Skyline school parents and students will be interviewed Sunday
June 05, 2010 at 9:57 PM, updated June 18, 2010 at 4:59 PM

<snipped>

The stepmother said she last saw Kyron at about 8:45 a.m. walking down the hallway toward his classroom, according to a sheriff's office news release.

It was not clear, however, whether Kyron, like every other student in the school, then participated in a classroom-to-classroom inspection of other science projects.

Parent-led groups of about four students walked among the classrooms, said Gina Zimmerman, president of the Skyline PTA.

"You were supposed to stay with your group," Zimmerman said. "I don't know what group he was in."

However, the sheriff's office news release says school staff did not see Kyron after 8:45 a.m. and that he did not make it to his classroom.

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/search_for_missing_portland_bo.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 23, 2013, 06:52:52 PM
The revelation by Desiree on Dr. Phil that Terri's story regarding the morning of June 4, 2012 did not include a visit to Kyron's classroom ... Kyron's classroom where his project was located ... leaves some unanswered questions regarding when the last photo of Kyron was taken.  Could it be that the little girl and person with a checkered shirt that was captured in the background provide the answer?

Janet


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 23, 2013, 06:54:08 PM
Are the two images below the same photo?  IF they are the same photo ... why does one reveal Kyron's arm and the other doesn't?

Janet

+++++

(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTX-VDejVV4g1zmfE1amOSaEaiB3bvqHllBJv6lYltklPjw_rmP)


(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTgEy5FM19hLWlYctTCWgW8cc9kN7WN75Uhph3A2oFMOU6LSy1r)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: bluetilt on September 24, 2013, 12:11:57 AM
per this,see qoute,has me looking at whats what,and ending up questioning why TMH,would
not use a door on kyrons classroom floor to exit building
Quote
Desiree says that TMH was at the east door,and there is a wall and she dosent think
TMH could see the hall from there, kaine agrees
@ about 9:40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xudmj4Oqco

supposedly,TMH,went up this stairwell A,to take kyron to his class,and could not see past a wall
i think you have to make a right,to continue up stairwell,B and B2,is close up of wall, C is longview
down hall from east to west
A
(http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t166/ubrmel/SKYLINE%20SCHOOL/bth_WESTsideDOOR.jpg)
lg img
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t166/ubrmel/SKYLINE%20SCHOOL/WESTsideDOOR.jpg
B
(http://i2.squidoocdn.com/resize/squidoo_images/590/draft_lens13887171module123514871photo_1286078950janitor_bill_tandy_kyron_)
B2
(http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t166/ubrmel/SKYLINE%20SCHOOL/bth_IMG_20130922_063724_zps07274c42.jpg)
lg img
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t166/ubrmel/SKYLINE%20SCHOOL/IMG_20130922_063724_zps07274c42.jpg
C
(http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t166/ubrmel/SKYLINE%20SCHOOL/bth_LOOKINGinEASTdoor.jpg)
lg img
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t166/ubrmel/SKYLINE%20SCHOOL/LOOKINGinEASTdoor.jpg
 ----------------------------
when you go into the school from the south entry,img A, and you go up stairs,this is 
where you would be,see img B
notice the wall at the west entry stairwell,why wouldnt TMH just go to the east,or south doors
to leave the building,instead of going back down the stairs, and leave out what door?

A
(http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t166/ubrmel/SKYLINE%20SCHOOL/th_FrontDOORlookingIN_edited-1.jpg)
lg img
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t166/ubrmel/SKYLINE%20SCHOOL/FrontDOORlookingIN_edited-1.jpg

B
(http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t166/ubrmel/SKYLINE%20SCHOOL/bth_IMG_20130922_063724_zps07274c42.jpg)
lg img
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t166/ubrmel/SKYLINE%20SCHOOL/IMG_20130922_063724_zps07274c42.jpg

ubrmel's Library/
SKYLINE SCHOOL
http://s160.photobucket.com/user/ubrmel/library/SKYLINE%20SCHOOL

TY bluetilt and ubrmel










I'm not clear on what you are saying.
I'll just clarify images and repost here (I did put descriptions on image titles and in description on photobucket)
(All are looking through the doors)

East entrance (2013) you can see all the way down the hall to the stairwell that goes down to the West Entrance
(http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t166/ubrmel/SKYLINE%20SCHOOL/th_IMG_20130922_063724_zps07274c42.jpg) (http://s160.photobucket.com/user/ubrmel/media/SKYLINE%20SCHOOL/IMG_20130922_063724_zps07274c42.jpg.html)

East entrance (7/2010) same as above
(http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t166/ubrmel/SKYLINE%20SCHOOL/th_LOOKINGinEASTdoor.jpg) (http://s160.photobucket.com/user/ubrmel/media/SKYLINE%20SCHOOL/LOOKINGinEASTdoor.jpg.html)

Front entrance of school (2013) go up to 2nd level, go down to lower level. To the Left is west,to the right is East.
(http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t166/ubrmel/SKYLINE%20SCHOOL/th_20130922_175900_zpsc92e37d5.jpg) (http://s160.photobucket.com/user/ubrmel/media/SKYLINE%20SCHOOL/20130922_175900_zpsc92e37d5.jpg.html)

Front entrance of school (7/2010)
(http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t166/ubrmel/SKYLINE%20SCHOOL/th_FrontDOORlookingIN_edited-1.jpg) (http://s160.photobucket.com/user/ubrmel/media/SKYLINE%20SCHOOL/FrontDOORlookingIN_edited-1.jpg.html)


West entrance (7/2010)
Walk up stairs to lower level, walk up another flight to get to second level (brings you right next to Classroom 213)
(http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t166/ubrmel/SKYLINE%20SCHOOL/th_WESTsideDOOR.jpg) (http://s160.photobucket.com/user/ubrmel/media/SKYLINE%20SCHOOL/WESTsideDOOR.jpg.html)

Hope that helps


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 24, 2013, 04:29:26 PM
BOTTOM LINE

Kyron Horman disappearance: Skyline school parents and students will be interviewed Sunday
June 05, 2010 at 9:57 PM, updated June 18, 2010 at 4:59 PM


The stepmother said she last saw Kyron at about 8:45 a.m. walking down the hallway toward his classroom, according to a sheriff's office news release.

<snipped>

However, the sheriff's office news release says school staff did not see Kyron after 8:45 a.m. and that he did not make it to his classroom.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/search_for_missing_portland_bo.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 24, 2013, 05:25:39 PM

If Terri implied to investigators that she did not enter Kyron's classroom as Desiree claimed ... the question presented by Dr. Phil is huge ... the question "WHEN did Terri take the photo of Kyron in front of his display?"

Janet

+++++

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/971625_596089393756819_346404003_n.jpg)


... and when was the picture of Curtis taken?

Janet

++++++

Sources: Terri Horman vague on Kyron’s doctor appointment date
Jul 21, 2010 at 8:38 PM PDT


<snipped>

Kim Holm’s son, Kurtis, who Terri Horman photographed with his science project around the time she took a picture of Kyron that morning, said her son knew about the appointment too. ...

At 1:21 that afternoon Terri Horman posted the science fair photos on her Facebook page.

<snipped>

http://www.katu.com/news/local/98981009.html


(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR-e62LC_k4I0Z57diJt8A6E7ethi8AHDeyET7GFpnuJcCAHUTM)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 24, 2013, 05:27:34 PM
Thanks cw618

I was hoping a video would emerge of the entire Desiree/Kaine interview with Dr. Phil.

Janet

++++++

The Desiree/Kaine Dr. Phil Interview

Dr. Phil Part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xudmj4Oqco

Dr. Phil Part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkicnZndc0s

Dr. Phil Part 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFgQRPA7u6o

H/T - StcPnkLdy




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 24, 2013, 05:50:06 PM
Could it be that Michael Cook is a piece of the puzzle ... the puzzle encompassing the disappearance Kyron Horman?

Think about it.  Less than three week following the disappearance  of her stepson and four days following Kaines departure with her daughter ... Terri Horman was sexting with a friend of her husband ... a friend that she just recently met.

Something is hinky.  A caring mother is not being reflected.

Janet

+++++


Kyron's father wants step-mom Terri to leave home sooner
Posted on July 14, 2010 at 10:48 AM
Updated Thursday, Jul 15 at 6:09 PM


<snipped>

The motion also states police told Kaine that Terri exchanged hundred of text messages with Cook and several photographs of Terri Horman "in various stages of undress and graphic sexual activity." According to the filing, the "sexual nature" of the relationship between Cook and Terri Horman began on or about June 30, four days after Kaine Horman moved out of the family's Northwest Portland home.

Cook was a high school classmate of Kaine Horman, and also helped organize the first vigil for missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman.

Monday's court filing also stated that police had told Kaine that Terri's "sexual overtures to Mr. Cook resemble those made to the man Respondent (Terri Horman) attempted to hire to murder Petitioner (Kaine).

In an interview with KGW on Monday, Cook admitted that he had used his cell phone to photograph the sealed restraining order, and that he had engaged in "sexting" with Terri Horman.

Cook also admitted having "inappropriate communication" with Terri Horman but he denied having sexual relations with her. "I never slept with her," Cook told KGW.

Cook did admit that he had Googled Kaine Horman's new address on his cell phone.
"She wanted to find out where Kiara was," Cook told KGW.

"I'm a pretty straight shooter," said Cook. "I didn't have sex with her."

<snipped>

http://www.kgw.com/news/Court-doc-Kaine-Terri-Horman-kyron-horman-contempt-sexting-98270654.html


(http://images.bimedia.net/images/michael_cook.jpg)



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Samantha on September 24, 2013, 07:36:57 PM
Are the two images below the same photo?  IF they are the same photo ... why does one reveal Kyron's arm and the other doesn't?

Janet

+++++

(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTX-VDejVV4g1zmfE1amOSaEaiB3bvqHllBJv6lYltklPjw_rmP)


(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTgEy5FM19hLWlYctTCWgW8cc9kN7WN75Uhph3A2oFMOU6LSy1r)


The right arm in the second photo is actually a copy of the left arm flipped horizontally. (The shading looks exactly the name but flipped)

They probably felt it looked like he had no arm when they cropped him out of the background so they edited it so the "missing" arm wouldn't be distracting.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Samantha on September 24, 2013, 07:39:31 PM
Oh and they also copied/flipped the sleeve also. (You can see it juts out exactly the same as the left side - different/more than in the originally photo)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 24, 2013, 07:45:10 PM
MICHAEL COOK

Kaine Horman describes how Terri Moulton Horman 'vented' after flunking her polygraph
July 16, 2010 at 9:48 PM
updated July 23, 2010 at 10:13 AM


In his responses sent late Friday, Kaine Horman touches on the strife in his marriage, his belief that a third party was involved in his son's disappearance and how he is now coping with being a single father

<snipped>

Q: What are you reactions to this week's developments in court documents, which said Terri Horman had struck up a relationship with your high school friend, Michael Cook, and was sexting him days after you moved out and filed for divorce?

A: We will deal with the issue as part of the legal matters in front of us, it does not even approach the priority of finding Kyron so we will deal with it then.  I have only seen Michael Cook recently since high school, which was during the week after Kyron when missing, so I cannot really comment on any relationship we had. We had just gotten reconnected and were trying to figure all that out.

I am not aware that Terri had met Michael prior to Kyron's disappearance

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/kaine_horman_describes_how_ter.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 24, 2013, 07:48:45 PM
Oh and they also copied/flipped the sleeve also. (You can see it juts out exactly the same as the left side - different/more than in the originally photo)

Samantha ... where is the arm in the image of Kyron taken in front of his project?

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 24, 2013, 07:57:10 PM
Samatha ... I looked and looked and looked and looked in my attempt to find a difference (other than missing arm) between the two images.  I missing the sleeve and ... the flipping of the left sleeve and arm would never have entered my mind.

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 24, 2013, 07:59:48 PM
Self-edit

and ... the flipping of the left sleeve and arm s/b and ... the flipping of the right sleeve and arm ...


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 24, 2013, 08:20:00 PM
Are the two images below the same photo?  IF they are the same photo ... why does one reveal Kyron's arm and the other doesn't?

Janet

+++++

(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTX-VDejVV4g1zmfE1amOSaEaiB3bvqHllBJv6lYltklPjw_rmP)


(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTgEy5FM19hLWlYctTCWgW8cc9kN7WN75Uhph3A2oFMOU6LSy1r)


The right arm in the second photo is actually a copy of the left arm flipped horizontally. (The shading looks exactly the name but flipped)

They probably felt it looked like he had no arm when they cropped him out of the background so they edited it so the "missing" arm wouldn't be distracting.



Samantha

I have been thinking.  If the right arm and sleeve from the photo of Kyron in front of the science project had been flipped and photoshopped to Kyron's right side ... would the arm not be positioned away from Kyron body?

Could it be that the photo with Kaine is the original ... the original that was photoshopped onto an image of the science project.  However ... a corner of the shirt and the arm were mistakenly cropped?

Am I making sense.

Janet


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: cw618 on September 24, 2013, 08:22:43 PM
IDK janet if MC is Connected to kyron, funny though how
close his job is to skyline, and the FM #1 that TMH went to at 9am

Michael Cook
Senior Account Executive at Pinnacle Exhibits
Portland, Oregon Area Marketing and Advertising
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/michael-cook/4/a91/44

skyline school to MC work and TMH FM #1
http://goo.gl/maps/uWBls

Pinnacle Exhibits
22400 NW Westmark Dr Hillsboro,OR97124
http://www.pinnacle-exhibits.com/work/clients


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 24, 2013, 09:17:49 PM
IDK janet if MC is Connected to kyron, funny though how
close his job is to skyline, and the FM #1 that TMH went to at 9am

Michael Cook
Senior Account Executive at Pinnacle Exhibits
Portland, Oregon Area Marketing and Advertising
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/michael-cook/4/a91/44

skyline school to MC work and TMH FM #1
http://goo.gl/maps/uWBls

Pinnacle Exhibits
22400 NW Westmark Dr Hillsboro,OR97124
http://www.pinnacle-exhibits.com/work/clients

I don't know either cw618.  There are so many pieces of the puzzle encompassing the disappared of Kyron Horman that do not fit.

However ... when I consider the timing of the sexting relationship between Terri Horman and Michael Cook ... I can only conclude that something is not right.  Kyron had been missing less than three weeks.  Kiara had been taken from her arms four days prior.  Are these two void of a conscience.

cw618 ... your ability to research aspects of a topic in an attempt bring about a connection is amazing.  Thanks.

Janet 




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 24, 2013, 09:30:34 PM
The Jefferson Exchange: September 18, 2013

Kyron Horman, Still Missin
g

The Portland area is still riveted by the case of Kyron Horman, the seven-year-old boy who disappeared from his school in June 2010.  His mother, Desiree Young, lives in the Rogue Valley, and continues to look for answers to Kyron's fate.  She joins us to talk about a recent search around the area where Kyron was last seen.

http://directory.libsyn.com/episode/index/show/jpr/id/2476701#access_token=CAAEAkMDpPh4BAFUl23TFhKCE4YZCrauBweqvu0brOEX9le0LefbP0w5UaLsNZAoHi2UqqVLMYYioMMpUS80wMgqHsz3ZCOs4





Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 24, 2013, 11:14:11 PM
THE PHOTO - THE BACKPACK - THE COAT

Terri Horman's mother's account answers Dr. Phil's question regarding when the photo of Kyron in his classroom in front of his science project was taken.

Apparently ... Terri and Kyron went to his classroom upon their arrival at the school prior to viewing other exibits in other classrooms.  It is at this time that the backpack and coat were left in Kyron's classroom and pictures were taken of Kyron and Curtis with their respective projects.

Nevertheless ... when it is considered Kyron never arrived in his classroom ... Carol Moulton's account regarding the last time Terri saw her stepson heading toward his classroom at 8:45 AM does not make sense.

Could it be that Kyron was whisked away unnoticed while students rushing to their classrooms in response to the 8:45 AM "final" bell?  Could it be that that Desiree is right ... Terri has the answers?

Janet

+++++++

Details emerge about the day Kyron Horman turned up missing
June 05, 2010 at 11:21 PM
updated July 15, 2010 at 2:43 PM


A photo posted on his stepmother's Facebook page shows Kyron Horman in front of his science fair project, wearing the "CSI" T-shirt he was last seen in.

Friday began as a special day for 7-year-old Kyron Horman. His school in Northwest Portland was having a science fair and he was keen to show off his project to his stepmother.

So, instead of taking the bus near his home off Cornelius Pass Road as usual, he hopped into the car with his stepmother, Terri Moulton Horman, who drove him to Skyline Elementary School.

They arrived sometime after the school opened about 8 a.m., went to his classroom, dropped off his coat and backpack and he showed his stepmother his exhibit, "The Red-Eyed Tree Frog."

Horman, who has raised Kyron since he was an infant, snapped a picture of him standing in front of it that she later posted on her Facebook page. It shows a bespectacled and beaming short-haired boy wearing a blue "CSI" T-shirt in front of an exhibit with photos of bug-eyed frogs, an anatomical drawing of the creature and other artwork.

"He was so excited about his science project," said Carol Moulton, Horman's mother and Kyron's grandmother. "They had worked on it together. He was anxious to take it to school and show it off."

After that, the two looked at other projects set up on desks in classrooms. There are about 300 students at Skyline Elementary, and all of them were invited to contribute to the fair.

Although the school usually opens at 8:35 a.m. and the final bell rings 10 minutes later, the school opened as early as 8 Friday for the science fair, said Matt Shelby, spokesman for Portland Public Schools.

Other students and parents showed up early as well to check out the fair, and Terri and Kyron saw people they knew while looking at the exhibits, Carol Moulton said.

Terri often volunteers at the school, working closely with Kyron's teacher, Kristina Porter. Shelby said that Porter saw Kyron in her classroom with his stepmom before 8:45 a.m. and another instructor reported seeing him in another classroom at some point.

At 8:45 a.m. when the bell rang, Terri walked her stepson down the hall close to his class.

"He told her, 'I'm going back to the classroom, Mom,' and she waves to him and left," Carol Moulton said. "She thought he was safely at school just like he is everyday."

What happened to the boy who went missing is unclear.

Carol Moulton said the kids were supposed to report to their classes and be divided into small groups of a few students each. Each group was supposed to tour the science fair with a chaperone. Afterward, when they returned to their classes for roll call, Kyron wasn't there, she said.

After leaving the school, Terri went about her day, running errands and taking care of household chores.

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/details_emerge_about_the_day_k.html



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Samantha on September 25, 2013, 07:48:32 AM

Samantha

I have been thinking.  If the right arm and sleeve from the photo of Kyron in front of the science project had been flipped and photoshopped to Kyron's right side ... would the arm not be positioned away from Kyron body?

Could it be that the photo with Kaine is the original ... the original that was photoshopped onto an image of the science project.  However ... a corner of the shirt and the arm were mistakenly cropped?

Am I making sense.

Janet

I understand your question... I'd say it is more likely that the cutout/sign is a copy (and the classroom is the original).

In the sign/cutout, the arm on the right is a mirrored image of the left arm (in angling of the sleeve and even the shading/highlight on the arm) It is more likely that they edited the picture to get that result than he naturally happened to pose in a way that resulted in both arms/sleeves being exactly the same.

I think its also more likely that he was standing in the classroom and put his arm behind his back (little kid's energy - trying to get them to sit still for a photo). With his long sleeves it just makes him look like he doesn't have an arm. (You can tell his sleeves end a bit lower than the elbow)

I think when they cut him out for the sign they realized that the missing arm was distracting so they added the arm.

(I recently did this at work with a woman's hair and once side of her body. She was posing next to someone with curly blond hair that ended up everywhere. She wanted to potentially use the photo without the blond. So I had to copy one side of her hair/shoulder and make it look real on the other side. Also I had to edit out a badge :) It was fun to make look as real as possible)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 25, 2013, 11:06:34 AM
Thanks Samantha

I must be getting old.  I grew up with the saying "Pictures don't lie".  The technology today implies that these words are far from an absolute.

I "really" became suspicious of the photo of Kyron standing in front of his project when it was implied on the Desiree/Kaine interview with Dr. Phil that Terri may never have entered Kyron's classroom on the morning of June 4th.  However ... Carol Moulton cleared up that misconception in the article I posted.

Janet

 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 25, 2013, 04:30:54 PM
There are witnesses who could dispute Spokesperson for Portland Public Schools' claims that Terri was the last known person to see Kyron on the morning of June 4th, 2010!!  Why has Terri Horman's attorney sat on this revelation for three years?

Janet

++++++ 

STEPHEN HOUZE

Attorney: Terri Horman wasn't last person to see Kyron
Posted: Sep 13, 2013 10:27 AM PDT
Updated: Sep 13, 2013 9:56 PM PDT


<snipped>

"It's not true," Houze said of the claims Terri Horman was the last person to see Kyron that day. "We have witnesses who will say, in fact, they know facts first-hand that demonstrate that is not true."

<snipped>

http://www.kptv.com/story/23425918/attorney-terri-horman-wasnt-last-person-to-see-kyron-horman-at-school


MATT SHELBY

Search continues for missing 7-year-old boy
Jun 6, 2010 at 4:05 PM PDT


<snipped>

Matt Shelby, spokesman for Portland Public Schools, said Kyron was with his stepmother at a science fair that morning (see photo above). However, Kyron never checked back in with his teacher afterward, Shelby said.

According to a press release distributed by the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office, the boy's stepmother walked Kyron through a number of classrooms and last saw him around 8:45 a.m. Friday. The press release reports she last saw him walking down the hallway toward his classroom, at 11536 N.W. Skyline Blvd.

School staff report not seeing him after 8:45 a.m.

<snipped>

http://www.katu.com/news/local/95691389.html


June 5: Sheriff's Office News Release

The following is a news release issued June 5, 2010 at 9:06 a.m.

News Release from: Multnomah Co. Sheriff's Office MULTNOMAH COUNTY SHERRIFF'S OFFICE CONTINUES SEARCH FOR 7 YEAR OLD KYRON HORMAN Posted: June 5th, 2010 9:06 AM

<snipped>

http://www.kptv.com/story/14789228/june-5-sheriffs-office-news-release-6-06-2010


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 25, 2013, 11:16:25 PM
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSP53aW90urxavRonSjvBr-WxfabwBXgai8Wx7PdsQtprWgd15i4A)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 25, 2013, 11:22:44 PM
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ9GVE1nvW3uh02stlMArLJ0x80yX_gcdy-ABDjN71CJm84_DKy)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: cw618 on September 26, 2013, 07:14:00 AM
bluetilt said
Quote
I'm not clear on what you are saying.
I'll just clarify images and repost here (I did put descriptions on image titles and in description on photobucket)
(All are looking through the doors)
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9941.msg1576977#msg1576977

im just trying to fig why, TMH would go back down the stairs to exit, the building
when the south door is just a few feet from kyrons CR,  and is the quickest way to
the parking lot, from that point, and the east door, is just a few more feet, from the
south door and it goes to the pklot too


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 26, 2013, 11:02:13 AM
The employee of Magic Cleaners in Beaverton states in the video at the following link that Terri Horman was in the establishment on June 4, 2010.  She claims that Terri Horman was alone.  Where was Kiara?

H/T - T. Ruth - BOC

Janet

++++


Judge: Terri Horman's lawyers cannot question investigator
Posted on September 16, 2013 at 9:30 AM
Updated Tuesday, Sep 17 at 4:18 PM


<snipped>

Judge Kantor Monday granted a motion filed by Kaine Horman's attorneys to stop Terri Horman's attorneys from questioning deputy O'Donnell.

However, Terri Horman's attorneys can conduct their own investigation. They will be allowed to interview witnesses, including teachers at Skyline Elementary and employees of Fred Meyer, Magic Cleaners and 24-hour Fitness. They will not be allowed to question Skyline students.

<snipped>

http://www.kgw.com/news/Judge-Terri-Hormans-lawyers-cannot-subpoena-lead-investgator-223927381.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 26, 2013, 11:41:34 AM
bluetilt said
Quote
I'm not clear on what you are saying.
I'll just clarify images and repost here (I did put descriptions on image titles and in description on photobucket)
(All are looking through the doors)
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9941.msg1576977#msg1576977

im just trying to fig why, TMH would go back down the stairs to exit, the building
when the south door is just a few feet from kyrons CR,  and is the quickest way to
the parking lot, from that point, and the east door, is just a few more feet, from the
south door and it goes to the pklot too


cw618

Could it be that Kyron was disappeared unnoticed through a downstairs' door to a waiting vehicle sometime following the classroom picture taking of Curtis and Kyron with their respective projects ... sometime following the classroom dropping off of Kyron's backpack and coat?  In other words ... could it be that the disappearing of Kyron occurred prior to the alleged 8:45 AM short unaccompanied walk back to his classroom.

Janet

++++++

June 5: Sheriff's Office News Release

The following is a news release issued June 5, 2010 at 9:06 a.m.

News Release from: Multnomah Co. Sheriff's Office MULTNOMAH COUNTY SHERRIFF'S OFFICE CONTINUES SEARCH FOR 7 YEAR OLD KYRON HORMAN Posted: June 5th, 2010 9:06 AM

<snipped>

Kyron's stepmother reports she last saw him at approximately 845 AM Friday, walking down the hallway towards his classroom. School staff report not seeing him after 845 AM and that he did not make it to his classroom.

<snipped>

http://www.kptv.com/story/14789228/june-5-sheriffs-office-news-release-6-06-2010


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 26, 2013, 01:37:52 PM
IDK janet if MC is Connected to kyron, funny though how
close his job is to skyline, and the FM #1 that TMH went to at 9am

Michael Cook
Senior Account Executive at Pinnacle Exhibits
Portland, Oregon Area Marketing and Advertising
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/michael-cook/4/a91/44

skyline school to MC work and TMH FM #1
http://goo.gl/maps/uWBls

Pinnacle Exhibits
22400 NW Westmark Dr Hillsboro,OR97124
http://www.pinnacle-exhibits.com/work/clients

 ::MonkeyShocked::


FOOD FOR THOUGHT

When the similarities between Terri's relationship with Rudy Sanchez and Michael Cook are considered ... could it be that Kaine's friend was a participant in a chain of events behind the disappearance of Kyron?  When Terri's emails cited by Desiree ... emails that revealed hatred for Kaine and Kyron ... are considered ... could it be that Desiree's claim that Terri has the answers regarding the disappearance of her son is a reflection of the truth?  Could it be that there are too many coincidences?

The court affidavit encompassing the RO against Terri is an interest read ... especially the portion toward the end regarding Michael Cook.

Janet

+++++

Kyron's father wants step-mom Terri to leave home sooner
Posted on July 14, 2010 at 10:48 AM
Updated Thursday, Jul 15 at 6:09 PM


<snipped>

The filing alleges that Terri took the restraining order to Cook's home, where she showed him the document and allowed him to take cell phone photos of the document, which included Kaine's new address. He shared information from the restraining order with at least two other unidentified people, according to the court document.

The filing also stated that a police search of Cook's phone found that Cook had done a Google search to map Kaine's new address but that he told police he did not go to the residence.

<snipped>

The motion also states police told Kaine that Terri exchanged hundred of text messages with Cook and several photographs of Terri Horman "in various stages of undress and graphic sexual activity." According to the filing, the "sexual nature" of the relationship between Cook and Terri Horman began on or about June 30, four days after Kaine Horman moved out of the family's Northwest Portland home.

Cook was a high school classmate of Kaine Horman, and also helped organize the first vigil for missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman.
 
Similarities to Murder-for-Hire plot

Monday's court filing also stated that police had told Kaine that Terri's "sexual overtures to Mr. Cook resemble those made to the man Respondent (Terri Horman) attempted to hire to murder Petitioner (Kaine)."

In the original restraining order filing, Kaine stated that police had told him Terri had tried to hire a landscaper to kill Kaine

<snipped>

http://www.kgw.com/news/Court-doc-Kaine-Terri-Horman-kyron-horman-contempt-sexting-98270654.html


Court affidavit (PDF)
http://images.bimedia.net/documents/horman-affair.pdf



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 26, 2013, 02:03:20 PM
cw618

Do you have any background info on Michael Cook?

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 26, 2013, 03:22:46 PM
BOTTOM LINE

Kyron's father wants step-mom Terri to leave home sooner
Posted on July 14, 2010 at 10:48 AM
Updated Thursday, Jul 15 at 6:09 PM


<snipped>

In an interview with KGW on Monday, Cook admitted that he had used his cell phone to photograph the sealed restraining order, and that he had engaged in "sexting" with Terri Horman.

<snipped>

http://www.kgw.com/news/Court-doc-Kaine-Terri-Horman-kyron-horman-contempt-sexting-98270654.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 26, 2013, 03:53:05 PM


http://www.kgw.com/news/Court-doc-Kaine-Terri-Horman-kyron-horman-contempt-sexting-98270654.html


(http://images.bimedia.net/images/michael_cook.jpg)




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 27, 2013, 01:57:50 PM

Respectfully snipped by Tamikosmom


im just trying to fig why, TMH would go back down the stairs to exit, the building
when the south door is just a few feet from kyrons CR,  and is the quickest way to
the parking lot, from that point, and the east door, is just a few more feet, from the
south door and it goes to the pklot too


Was Terri Horman's vehicle moved while she was inside the school with Kyron on the morning of June 4, 2010 ... a move that allowed her to exit the school unnoticed and return to her vehicle unnoticed?

Janet

++++++

Kyron Horman investigators ask public to help track white pickup Terri Horman drove
August 11, 2010 at 1:35 PM, updated August 17, 2010 at 8:08 AM


<snipped>

Multnomah County Chief Deputy District Attorney Rod Underhill said a witness, or witnesses, have reported seeing someone else by the Hormans' extended-cab pickup while it was parked in front of the school between 8:15 a.m. and 8:45 a.m. on June 4, the day Kyron disappeared.

Authorities are seeking to identify the person, or persons, who may have been spotted by the truck as it was parked outside the school's front fence in the shoulder of Northwest Skyline Boulevard. Someone possibly moved the pickup and parked it up a gravel path in front of the school's playground while Terri Moulton Horman was inside the school with her stepson for his science fair.

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/kyron_horman_case_investigator.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 27, 2013, 04:33:56 PM
I can only assume that Desiree's allegations in the lawsuit originates from an official investigative source ... allegations that cannot be affirmed without compromising the Kyron Horman investigation.

Janet

+++++


Mother files lawsuit saying Terri Horman kidnapped Kyron
Published: Jun 1, 2012 at 1:13 PM PDT Last Updated: Jun 2, 2012 at 9:35 AM


<snipped>

Terri Horman was the last person known to see Kyron alive at Skyline School on June 4, 2010. She has long been the focus of the investigation into his whereabouts, although she has never been formally named a criminal suspect.

<snipped>

In the suit, Young’s lawyers wrote that Terri Horman “feigned ignorance of the circumstances surrounding the disappearance” and “lied to investigating authorities and to the media regarding her activities on June 4, 2010.”

<snipped>

http://www.katu.com/news/local/Desiree-Young-files-lawsuit-saying-Terri-Horman-kidnapped-Kyron-Horman-156429105.html

http://katubim.s3.amazonaws.com/Terri%20Horman%20Lawsuit.pdf


Judge denies Terri Horman's request to delay Young's civil suit
Published: Aug 15, 2012 at 11:16 AM PD
Last Updated: Aug 15, 2012 at 8:44 PM PDT


PORTLAND, Ore. - A judge has denied a request by Terri Horman to delay a civil lawsuit brought by Desiree Young that could force Horman to reveal the location of Kyron Horman.

The ruling is a victory for Desiree Young and is expected to keep the civil lawsuit moving forward.

In a motion filed July 25 to hold the case in abatement, Terri Horman said the civil suit seeks facts that could lead to a criminal prosecution and is claiming via her attorney that her rights to self-incrimination are violated if the civil case moves forward.

She wanted the judge to delay the case by two years. Terri Horman has not been charged with any crimes related to Kyron's disappearance.

<snipped>

http://www.katu.com/news/local/Judge-denies-Terri-Horman-request-to-delay-lawsuit-166284266-Kyron.html


Mother of Kyron Horman dropping civil suit
Published: Jul 30, 2013 at 11:58 AM PDT
Last Updated: Jul 30, 2013 at 5:01 PM PDT


PORTLAND, Ore. -- With "great disappointment," the mother of Kyron Horman said Tuesday she is dropping a civil suit against Terri Horman because she doesn't want it to jeopardize the police investigation.

"Because my civil case can't go forward without the police criminal investigation file, it's with great disappointment I make this difficult decision," Desiree Young told reporters.

Young was tearful as she spoke at the press conference outside the Multnomah County Courthouse in downtown Portland. She said in order for her lawyers to move forward with the suit, they need the police file -- which they can't have during an active police investigation.

<snipped>

http://www.katu.com/news/local/Mother-of-Kyron-Horman-dropping-civil-suit-217632621.html


(http://media.katu.com/images/130730-Desiree-Young-660.jpg)









Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 27, 2013, 05:04:01 PM
I am far from an advocate for Terri Horman but it would be interesting to know what legal foundation motivated the restraining order that has prevented Terri from contact with Kiara for over 3 years and ... the eviction order that forced Terri from her home.  Does the judge have access to case files?

Janet

+++++

Father of Missing Oregon Boy Suspects Stepmom
Published July 09, 2010


<snipped>

The order contained the first publicly released suspicion by Kaine Horman that his wife was connected to Kyron Horman's disappearance.

"I believe respondent is involved in the disappearance of my son Kyron who has been missing since June 4, 2010," Kaine Horman's petition reads. "I also recently learned that respondent attempted to hire someone to murder me. The police have provided me with probable cause to believe the above two statements to be true."

His statement contained no details on how Terri Horman might be involved in the boy's disappearance.

The sheriff's office has refused to confirm details of the alleged murder-for-hire plot and did so again Thursday. In a statement following the parents' news conference, the sheriff's office said "the information released during these conferences did NOT come from the Multnomah County sheriff's office."

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/07/09/father-missing-oregon-boy-suspects-stepmom/



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 27, 2013, 07:14:26 PM
THE APPEARANCE OF A LEGAL DOUBLE STANDARD

Kaine's motion for a restraining order, eviction order and custody was granted three years ago ... a restraining order, eviction order and custody based on heresay in regards to what he learned from an investigative sources.

However ... Desiree is forced to withdraw her lawsuit against Terri ... a lawsuit based on heresay in regards to what she learned from investigative sources.

There is an appearance of a legal double standard when it comes to Desiree Young and Kaine Horman.  Why?

Could it be that the judge is privy to case files ... case files that would compromise an ongoing investigation against Terri if released at this time?  Could it be the rulings of the court imply that father and daughter may be at risk if Kaine's motions were denied?

Janet

+++++


Father of Missing Oregon Boy Suspects Stepmom
Published July 09, 2010


<snipped>

The order contained the first publicly released suspicion by Kaine Horman that his wife was connected to Kyron Horman's disappearance.

"I believe respondent is involved in the disappearance of my son Kyron who has been missing since June 4, 2010," Kaine Horman's petition reads. "I also recently learned that respondent attempted to hire someone to murder me. The police have provided me with probable cause to believe the above two statements to be true."

His statement contained no details on how Terri Horman might be involved in the boy's disappearance.

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/07/09/father-missing-oregon-boy-suspects-stepmom/


Kyron's father wants step-mom Terri to leave home sooner
Posted on July 14, 2010 at 10:48 AM
Updated Thursday, Jul 15 at 6:09 PM


<snipped>
 
Similarities to Murder-for-Hire plot

Monday's court filing also stated that police had told Kaine that Terri's "sexual overtures to Mr. Cook resemble those made to the man Respondent (Terri Horman) attempted to hire to murder Petitioner (Kaine)."

In the original restraining order filing, Kaine stated that police had told him Terri had tried to hire a landscaper to kill Kaine

<snipped>

http://www.kgw.com/news/Court-doc-Kaine-Terri-Horman-kyron-horman-contempt-sexting-98270654.html


Judge rules Terri Horman's lawyers can't depose investigator or students, but can question Skyline School teachers, various business staff
September 16, 2013


<snipped>

Attorneys and the judge expect that the earliest that a divorce and child custody hearing can proceed between Terri Horman and Kyron's father, Kaine Horman, is May 2014.

Kantor wrote that the guiding principle for the court is the "best interests and welfare of Kiara and the safety of the parties'' involved, and not Kyron's disappearance or any potential prosecution.

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/09/judge_rules_terri_hormans_lawy.html

 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 27, 2013, 07:37:38 PM
Is the judge privy to investigative info ... investigative info that implies it is a given that charges will eventually be filed against Terri Horman?

Janet

+++++

Judge rules Terri Horman's lawyers can't depose investigator or students, but can question Skyline School teachers, various business staff
September 16, 2013 at 9:49 AM
updated September 17, 2013 at 9:26 AM


<snipped>

Terri Horman's lawyers have also subpoenaed employees of three businesses and sought surveillance images from a Fred Meyer, a 24-Hour Fitness gym and Magic Cleaners. Kantor said he found no reason to restrict those depositions, or to limit their efforts to obtain surveillance footage from June 4, 2010. However, the judge said he would not allow Terri Horman's lawyers to seek documents or evidence from the business employees on what they said to law enforcement.

"In sum, the court is allowing the respondent (Terri Horman) to conduct her own investigation into and discovery of the relevant facts and evidence (except for the minor students a this time) in order to prepare for the eventual trial,'' Kantor wrote.

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/09/judge_rules_terri_hormans_lawy.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 27, 2013, 07:46:07 PM
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Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 27, 2013, 08:12:55 PM

Respectfully snipped by Tamikosmom


im just trying to fig why, TMH would go back down the stairs to exit, the building
when the south door is just a few feet from kyrons CR,  and is the quickest way to
the parking lot, from that point, and the east door, is just a few more feet, from the
south door and it goes to the pklot too


Was Terri Horman's vehicle moved while she was inside the school with Kyron on the morning of June 4, 2010 ... a move that allowed her to exit the school unnoticed and return to her vehicle unnoticed?

Janet

++++++

Kyron Horman investigators ask public to help track white pickup Terri Horman drove
August 11, 2010 at 1:35 PM, updated August 17, 2010 at 8:08 AM


<snipped>

Multnomah County Chief Deputy District Attorney Rod Underhill said a witness, or witnesses, have reported seeing someone else by the Hormans' extended-cab pickup while it was parked in front of the school between 8:15 a.m. and 8:45 a.m. on June 4, the day Kyron disappeared.

Authorities are seeking to identify the person, or persons, who may have been spotted by the truck as it was parked outside the school's front fence in the shoulder of Northwest Skyline Boulevard. Someone possibly moved the pickup and parked it up a gravel path in front of the school's playground while Terri Moulton Horman was inside the school with her stepson for his science fair.

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/kyron_horman_case_investigator.html

cw618

Something akin to you ... could it be that Desiree was also questioning the exit Terri claimed she used when leaving the school on the morning of June 4, 2010.

Desiree is a broken woman who will never be able to move on without answers.

Janet

+++++


Father of Missing Oregon Boy Suspects Stepmom
Published July 09, 2010


<snipped>

Police have said Terri Horman was the last known person to see the boy. She told police she left him at his school, about two miles away from their home, after an early morning science fair.

Young said Thursday at a news conference that she suspected Terri Horman's involvement soon after the boy was reported missing.

"I've known her a long time," Young said. "I know she's lying."

Young, who lives in Medford with her husband, said Terri Horman's explanation after the boy's disappearance didn't add up.

"There are just some things in there that didn't sit well with me, and it just didn't sound right," Young told The AP.   "I'm very familiar with that school and there were just some things that I knew couldn't be correct."

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/07/09/father-missing-oregon-boy-suspects-stepmom/


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Amys Sister on September 27, 2013, 09:37:20 PM
You're asking good questions, Janet. 

I remember in the very early days of the investigation there was a rumor that someone had seen Terri at the bottom of the stairs without Kyron and it seemed as if she was 'hiding'.  If I recall correctly she was near the east side door (nearest the soccer field) at the time.

Lots of rumors were floated in the early days, though, so this could be misinformation.  Just putting it out there.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 27, 2013, 11:16:21 PM
You're asking good questions, Janet. 

I remember in the very early days of the investigation there was a rumor that someone had seen Terri at the bottom of the stairs without Kyron and it seemed as if she was 'hiding'.  If I recall correctly she was near the east side door (nearest the soccer field) at the time.

Lots of rumors were floated in the early days, though, so this could be misinformation.  Just putting it out there.

The judge's recent words are not a rumor.  Kaine Horman's recent words are not a rumor.  Could it be that after three long years an indictment of Terri Hormon is on the horizon?

 ::HelloKitty::

Good Night Amy's Sister

Janet

++++++


Judge rules Terri Horman's lawyers can't depose investigator or students, but can question Skyline School teachers, various business staff
September 16, 2013 at 9:49 AM
updated September 17, 2013 at 9:26 AM


<snipped>

"In sum, the court is allowing the respondent (Terri Horman) to conduct her own investigation into and discovery of the relevant facts and evidence (except for the minor students a this time) in order to prepare for the eventual trial,'' Kantor wrote.

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/09/judge_rules_terri_hormans_lawy.html


Kaine Horman and Desiree Young to appear on 'Dr. Phil' Show on Tuesday
September 16, 2013 at 4:44 PM
updated September 24, 2013 at 8:53 AM


<snipped>

On Monday, Kaine Horman released a written statement to local media, saying he'd be unavailable for comment for the next several weeks.

"Based on the current legal process and several activities either in-flight or recently completed I will be unavailable for comment for the next several weeks,'' he wrote in an email. He did say he wanted to emphasize that law enforcement is still actively investigating his son's disappearance and making progress.

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/09/kaine_horman_and_desiree_young.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on September 28, 2013, 07:29:38 AM
Kyron Horman's mom wants stepmom charged in disappearance
September 27, 2013

(snip)
"Maybe we haven't found Kyron yet but we have a lot of circumstantial evidence tying Terri to Kyron's disappearance," said Desiree Young.

In a recent radio interview with Jefferson Public Radio, Young said she hopes to put up signs and fliers in the Roseburg area, where Terri Horman is living.


(snip)
Last month, a team of volunteer searched an area of Northwest Portland near Skyline School.

"We did find two pieces of possible evidence that are connected to Terri, we can't divulge what those are," said Young. "Those are being investigated, looked at, and checked for DNA."
In a recent court filing, Terri Horman's lawyer argued that she should not have to answer questions in divorce proceedings because of the pending criminal investigation.
Lawyers for her estranged husband Kaine Horman wants to depose Terri Horman.


http://www.kgw.com/news/Kyron-Hormans-m ... 85282.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 28, 2013, 11:05:26 AM
The Jefferson Exchange: September 18, 2013

Kyron Horman, Still Missing


The Portland area is still riveted by the case of Kyron Horman, the seven-year-old boy who disappeared from his school in June 2010.  His mother, Desiree Young, lives in the Rogue Valley, and continues to look for answers to Kyron's fate.  She joins us to talk about a recent search around the area where Kyron was last seen.

http://directory.libsyn.com/episode/index/show/jpr/id/2476701#access_token=CAAEAkMDpPh4BAFUl23TFhKCE4YZCrauBweqvu0brOEX9le0LefbP0w5UaLsNZAoHi2UqqVLMYYioMMpUS80wMgqHsz3ZCOs4




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 28, 2013, 11:08:03 AM

The Desiree/Kaine Dr. Phil Interview

Dr. Phil Part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xudmj4Oqco

Dr. Phil Part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkicnZndc0s

Dr. Phil Part 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFgQRPA7u6o

H/T - StcPnkLdy




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 28, 2013, 11:17:16 AM
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRcgpW53jOvp6PWqUpxZ2CdHyS2qvTzmwoVjNOnGs3PkLzwAREc)


(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSwXKO_YtmoxGrUFN1XHg-r1TpocmcVob5N1XVTOETLPVADGBwi)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 28, 2013, 11:43:58 AM
WE DIDN'T PROTECT HIM

Kyron Horman's parents, Desiree Young, Kaine Horman air differences on Dr. Phil
September 17, 2013 at 4:50 PM
updated September 24, 2013 at 8:51 AM


<snipped>

Kyron's mother Desiree Young lashed out at the boy's father, Kaine Horman, saying he ignored red flags in the year before the boy disappeared on June 4, 2010.

"I don't blame Kaine for Kyron's disappearance," Young said. But she added that "things were happening in the year prior to Kyron going missing" and that Kaine Horman didn't pay attention when she tried to alert him.

"It was just ignored," Young said. "I feel like in that we failed Kyron. We didn't protect him."

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/09/kyrons_parents_desiree_young_k.html



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Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 28, 2013, 03:34:10 PM
The employee of Magic Cleaners in Beaverton states in the video at the following link that Terri Horman was in the establishment on June 4, 2010.  She claims that Terri Horman was alone.  Where was Kiara?

H/T - T. Ruth - BOC

Janet

++++


Judge: Terri Horman's lawyers cannot question investigator
Posted on September 16, 2013 at 9:30 AM
Updated Tuesday, Sep 17 at 4:18 PM


<snipped>

Judge Kantor Monday granted a motion filed by Kaine Horman's attorneys to stop Terri Horman's attorneys from questioning deputy O'Donnell.

However, Terri Horman's attorneys can conduct their own investigation. They will be allowed to interview witnesses, including teachers at Skyline Elementary and employees of Fred Meyer, Magic Cleaners and 24-hour Fitness. They will not be allowed to question Skyline students.

<snipped>

http://www.kgw.com/news/Judge-Terri-Hormans-lawyers-cannot-subpoena-lead-investgator-223927381.html



For the first time in three years it has been revealed that that Terry Horman was in the Magic Cleaners establishment on the morning of June 4, 2005.  It was also revealed by a Magic Cleaners' employee in the above KGW video that Terry was in the establishment "alone".  However ... the time remains elusive.

Could it be that Terri's stop at Magic Cleaners was kept confidential by those within the Kyron Horman investigation because of the person they suspect may have been waiting in Terri's truck with Kiara ... the person that they suspect Terri may have been picked up in the unaccountable time gap.

Janet

++++++

Sources detail Terri’s timeline day Kyron disappeared
Published: Jul 23, 2010 at 7:17 PM PDT
Last Updated: Jul 24, 2010 at 12:39 AM PDT


<snipped>

Between 10:10 in the morning and 11:39, Terri claimed she drove her daughter Kiara around on rural roads in the family’s white truck because Kiara had an earache. She claimed she was trying to soothe the toddler with the motion of the vehicle.

<snipped>

http://www.katu.com/news/local/99151549.html?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 28, 2013, 05:51:16 PM
COINCIDENCE?  THE WITNESSES AND THE FLYERS

Kyron Horman investigators ask public to help track white pickup Terri Horman drove
August 11, 2010 at 1:35 PM
updated August 17, 2010 at 8:08 AM


Law enforcement working on the 10-week-old case of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman appealed to the public Wednesday for "investigative assistance" to help nail down who else was in or around the white Ford F-250 pickup that Kyron's stepmother drove to school the day he disappeared.

Multnomah County Chief Deputy District Attorney Rod Underhill said a witness, or witnesses, have reported seeing someone else by the Hormans' extended-cab pickup while it was parked in front of the school between 8:15 a.m. and 8:45 a.m. on June 4, the day Kyron disappeared[/color].

Authorities are seeking to identify the person, or persons, who may have been spotted by the truck as it was parked outside the school's front fence in the shoulder of Northwest Skyline Boulevard. Someone possibly moved the pickup and parked it up a gravel path in front of the school's playground while Terri Moulton Horman was inside the school with her stepson for his science fair.

Underhill said investigators want to identify anybody "in or in immediate proximity to that truck."

"We're looking for additional witnesses," he added, standing in the Brooks Hill Historic Church across from the school in front of blown-up photos of the Horman truck staged at each location.

The appeal to the public comes as investigators continue to try to determine the whereabouts of Terri Moulton Horman and her friend DeDe Spicher during overlapping hours on the day Kyron disappeared.

<snipped>

Investigators and prosecutors have not named Terri Horman or Spicher as suspects in the case and are going to great lengths to avoid mentioning their names in public. But their actions show investigators remain intently focused on their every move the day Kyron disappeared. Last weekend, they distributed a flier with photos of both women to residents along Northwest Old Germantown Road, seeking any tips on whether the two women, or the Horman truck, were seen in the area between 9:45 a.m. and 1 p.m. on June 4.

At Wednesday's news conference, Underhill and sheriff's Detective Bob O'Donnell also asked for help from anyone who may have seen the Horman pickup later that morning in the lot of two Fred Meyer stores -- the Cornelius Pass store off Northwest Imbrie Drive in Hillsboro around 9 a.m. or the Beaverton store along Southwest Walker Road about 10 a.m.

<snipped>

Authorities urged the public to recall whether they saw the Horman truck from about 10:15 a.m. to 11:30 a.m. on either Northwest Springville Road, on Skyline Boulevard between Springville and Newberry Road, or along Old Germantown or Germantown Road. If so, they're asked to call investigators.

In addition, the investigative team wants anyone who parked in the school's south parking lot, between the school's south entrance and Northwest Skyline Boulevard, before 8:45 a.m. to provide their name, license plate number, make, model, year and color of their vehicle.

While O'Donnell acknowledged that investigators worked to identify everyone who was at the school the morning of June 4 after Kyron went missing, he said that as the inquiry continued detectives developed leads that have them looking at information "through a different lens."

<snipped>

 Spicher was gardening at a 40-acre property on Old Germantown Road on June 4. Her employer and another worker at the home told authorities that she wasn't there when they called her in for the lunch provided for the workers.

Investigators say Spicher, who arrived on the job around 9 a.m., wasn't seen gardening on the property from about 10:30 a.m. to 1 p.m.

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/kyron_horman_case_investigator.html



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 28, 2013, 05:53:28 PM

COINCIDENCE?  THE WITNESSES AND THE FLYERS

Kyron Horman investigators ask public to help track white pickup Terri Horman drove
August 11, 2010 at 1:35 PM
updated August 17, 2010 at 8:08 AM


Law enforcement working on the 10-week-old case of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman appealed to the public Wednesday for "investigative assistance" to help nail down who else was in or around the white Ford F-250 pickup that Kyron's stepmother drove to school the day he disappeared.

Multnomah County Chief Deputy District Attorney Rod Underhill said a witness, or witnesses, have reported seeing someone else by the Hormans' extended-cab pickup while it was parked in front of the school between 8:15 a.m. and 8:45 a.m. on June 4, the day Kyron disappeared.

Authorities are seeking to identify the person, or persons, who may have been spotted by the truck as it was parked outside the school's front fence in the shoulder of Northwest Skyline Boulevard. Someone possibly moved the pickup and parked it up a gravel path in front of the school's playground while Terri Moulton Horman was inside the school with her stepson for his science fair.

Underhill said investigators want to identify anybody "in or in immediate proximity to that truck."

"We're looking for additional witnesses," he added, standing in the Brooks Hill Historic Church across from the school in front of blown-up photos of the Horman truck staged at each location.

The appeal to the public comes as investigators continue to try to determine the whereabouts of Terri Moulton Horman and her friend DeDe Spicher during overlapping hours on the day Kyron disappeared.

<snipped>

Investigators and prosecutors have not named Terri Horman or Spicher as suspects in the case and are going to great lengths to avoid mentioning their names in public. But their actions show investigators remain intently focused on their every move the day Kyron disappeared. Last weekend, they distributed a flier with photos of both women to residents along Northwest Old Germantown Road, seeking any tips on whether the two women, or the Horman truck, were seen in the area between 9:45 a.m. and 1 p.m. on June 4.

At Wednesday's news conference, Underhill and sheriff's Detective Bob O'Donnell also asked for help from anyone who may have seen the Horman pickup later that morning in the lot of two Fred Meyer stores -- the Cornelius Pass store off Northwest Imbrie Drive in Hillsboro around 9 a.m. or the Beaverton store along Southwest Walker Road about 10 a.m.

<snipped>

Authorities urged the public to recall whether they saw the Horman truck from about 10:15 a.m. to 11:30 a.m. on either Northwest Springville Road, on Skyline Boulevard between Springville and Newberry Road, or along Old Germantown or Germantown Road. If so, they're asked to call investigators.

In addition, the investigative team wants anyone who parked in the school's south parking lot, between the school's south entrance and Northwest Skyline Boulevard, before 8:45 a.m. to provide their name, license plate number, make, model, year and color of their vehicle.

While O'Donnell acknowledged that investigators worked to identify everyone who was at the school the morning of June 4 after Kyron went missing, he said that as the inquiry continued detectives developed leads that have them looking at information "through a different lens."

<snipped>

 Spicher was gardening at a 40-acre property on Old Germantown Road on June 4. Her employer and another worker at the home told authorities that she wasn't there when they called her in for the lunch provided for the workers.

Investigators say Spicher, who arrived on the job around 9 a.m., wasn't seen gardening on the property from about 10:30 a.m. to 1 p.m.

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/kyron_horman_case_investigator.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 28, 2013, 05:55:51 PM
Klaas/Mods

Please delete post #910.  I messed up with the highlighting.

Thanks


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 28, 2013, 09:15:29 PM
(http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/photo/flyerjpg-1865fa1091c1d178.jpg)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 29, 2013, 05:32:00 PM
The disappearance of Kyron Horman - A Theory

Friday, June 4, 2010


7:45 AM - Terri leaves home with Kyron and Kiara in Kaine's pick up truck.  She claims to her husband that she requires his vehicle to bring home Kyron's science project from school.

8:00 AM - Could it be that Terri picks up DeDe from her home?

8:10 AM - Could it be that Terri, Kiara, Kyron and DeDe arrive at Skyline Elementary and ...  Terri parks in front of the school leaving BOTH Dede and Kiara in the vehicle?

8:15 AM - Classroom pictures are taken of Kyron and Curtis by Terri with their respective science projects.

8:35 AM - Could it be that DeDe moves Terri's pick up from the front of the school to an obscure exit?
 
8:45 AM - Could it be that at the ring of the final bell Kyron is whisked out of school by Terri unnoticed through a downstairs exit to the waiting vehicle?

8:45 AM - Could it be that Terri drives DeDe home to pick up her vehicle and ... Terri then  follows DeDe to her place of employment?

8:55 AM - DeDe parks her vehicle and makes her presence known.

9:05 AM - Could it be that DeDe climbs into Terri's vehicle and drives to a location where Kyron is handed over to either Michael Cook or DeDe's former boyfriend?

9:30 AM to 11:00 AM - In an effort to establish an alibi Terri produces receipts from various establishments.  Could it be that Dede remains in the vehicle?  Other than one Fred Meyers ... could it be that Kiara also remains in the vehicle?

11:30 AM - Terri arrives at 24 Hour Fitness.  Could it be DeDe stays in the vehicle while Terri puts Kiara in childcare?

12:55 PM - Could it be that Terri drives DeDe back to her place of employment where DeDe makes her presence known while claiming she had been on the property all morning and ... Terri returns home with Kiara?

1:00 PM - Terri emails photos of Kyron and Curtis to contacts.

2:00 PM - Terri does not attend the talent show ... the talent show that Kyron is a participant.  Terri does not bring home Kyron's science project?




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 29, 2013, 05:39:53 PM

POSSIBLE SUSPECTS?

Michael Cook

Kyron's father wants step-mom Terri to leave home sooner
Posted on July 14, 2010 at 10:48 AM
Updated Thursday, Jul 15 at 6:09 PM


<snipped>
 
Similarities to Murder-for-Hire plot

Monday's court filing also stated that police had told Kaine that Terri's "sexual overtures to Mr. Cook resemble those made to the man Respondent (Terri Horman) attempted to hire to murder Petitioner (Kaine)."

In the original restraining order filing, Kaine stated that police had told him Terri had tried to hire a landscaper to kill Kaine

<snipped>

http://www.kgw.com/news/Court-doc-Kaine-Terri-Horman-kyron-horman-contempt-sexting-98270654.html


DeDe's Former Boyfriend

In August, 2010 ... ten months following the breakup ... Dede's former boyfriend brought attention to himself when he agreed to interviews with the local media.  Then on October 5, 2012 ... Dede was questioned about this same guy in the lawsuit deposition.  What dots were Desiree's attorney attempting to connect?

+++++++

DeDe Spicher's former boyfriend describes Terri Moulton Horman's friend as a 'high-energy, dynamic' person who changed dramatically
August 19, 2010


<snipped>

.... has volunteered as a child's advocate in Multnomah County for more than a decade, said he dated Spicher for about 10 months, and they had even talked of marriage, but their relationship fell apart in early August 2009

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/dede_spichers_former_boyfriend.html

http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/jasonw.pdf


DeDe Spicher Lawsuit Desposition - October - October 5, 2012
Pages 16 & 17
http://www.katu.com/news/98654424


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 29, 2013, 07:33:32 PM
cw618

Help!!  Whether you agree or not ... does my theory work in regards to time when driving is considered?  I am terrible at maps.

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: cw618 on September 29, 2013, 08:32:07 PM
cw618

Help!!  Whether you agree or not ... does my theory work in regards to time when driving is considered?  I am terrible at maps.

Thanks

Janet

ill check it out,while reading your timeline theory, something occurred to me about Kiara, it would
have been difficult, for TMH to go up the west entry steps, even if Kiara had been in one of those
light weight stroller,(it almost looks like a toy) so why in the world would you go back down the
steps, with an 18mo old, stroller or no stroller, if Kiara was in school with TMH,she carried her 
and left the stroller near an exit or in truck. just thought of something else,the lady that saw TMH
at the FM, didnt she say she was holding her sick daughter. so i guess Kiara was walking unlikely
she was sick, so TMH is carrying  25+lb around for a 1/2 hr or more, i would think you wouldnt see
many of the exhibits with a slow walking child or carrying the child in a 1/2 hrs time


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 29, 2013, 09:12:54 PM
Thanks cw618

If my times don't work ... if it is possible ... could you provide times for my theory between 8:15 AM and 1:00 PM that do work.

The answer to the question regarding whether Kiara was seen with Terri at the school or in any of the establishments that she allegedly went to on the morning of June 4, 2010 has yet to be revealed EXCEPT one FM ... EXCEPT Magic Cleaners.  Andrea Leckey testified that Kiara was in Terri's arms at one FM.  An employee at Magic Cleaners revealed that Terri was ALONE when she dropped off some cleaning.

The possible passing of Kyron to another?  Could you fit Sauvie Island into the timeline.  According to one of my backup articles there was allegedly a cellphone ping that indicated Terri was on Sauvie Island.  Also ... there were two large scale searches conducted in that area.

Thanks cw618.  I am excited with what you can come up with.  Your map research is amazing!

Janet

 ::donkey3::



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 30, 2013, 12:37:27 AM
It appears that Multnomah County Sheriff’s Capt. Jason Gates' statement negates the alleged Kyron sightings of Tanner Pumala and Easter Matthews.

Janet

+++++

UPDATE • Sheriff’s office tries to dispel rumors about boy's disappearance
By Jennifer Anderson
The Portland Tribune, Jun 18, 2010, Updated Jun 21, 2010


<snipped>

There was one new piece of information: “Terri is the last-known person to have seen him before he disappeared,” Multnomah County Sheriff’s Capt. Jason Gates said, contrary to previous reports of someone else who might have seen the boy afterward.

<snipped>

http://www.portlandtribune.com/news/story.php?story_id=127687387448812800


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 30, 2013, 11:55:54 AM
SELF-EDIT - POST #515

DeDe Spicher - Lawsuit Desposition - October 5, 2012
Pages 16 & 17

http://www.katu.com/news/9865442

s/b

http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/DeDe-watermarked-1.pdf


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: cw618 on September 30, 2013, 03:09:40 PM
Janet no, on picking DS up,then going back to get her car then to her work all by
 8:55 AM, even if DS  met TMH somewhere b4 the SF, prob still wont work, the
ttimeframe is to tight, TMH left the SF at 8:45 AM, was at FM per 9:12am receipt
i think that is why LE ,was trying to use DS time missing from garden prop, at about
11:30 a.m, but i dont see that working either, and going with the drive around time,
cant make the island fit either. Janet thanks, you helped me see something else
JMO, looking at the timelines and maps i did, if TMH had anything to do with kyron
missing, it happened at the school, she prob took kyron back out to truck and gave,
sold, him to someone. how much is a 7yr old blue eyed sandy hair, cute as a button
boy worth on the black market

see this for Janets timeframe
The disappearance of Kyron Horman - A Theory
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9941.msg1577273#msg1577273Friday, June 4, 2010
-------------------------
picking DS up go to school,take back home get car
TMH shopping does not fit
----------------------
NW Sheltered Nook Rd, Portland, OR 97231
Tualatin, OR
11536 NW Skyline Blvd, Portland, OR 97231
Tualatin, OR
Northwest Old Germantown Road, Portland, OR
89.9 mi, 2 hours 3 mins
http://goo.gl/maps/X3YV3
------------------------------
picking DS up at a trail pking area and then drop her back there
and DS goes to work
------------------
leave home
NW Sheltered Nook Rd, Portland, OR 97231
DS pick up
45.588411,-122.806056 NW Skyline Blvd ......13.5 mi – about 27 mins
school leave 8:45
11536 NW Skyline Blvd, Portland, OR 97231 .....10.3 mi – about 20 mins
drop DS back off at car, arrive 9:05, not enough time to get to FM
45.588411,-122.806056 NW Skyline Blvd.......10.3 mi – about 20 mins
DS work, arrive 9:23
Northwest Old Germantown Road, Portland, OR....7.7 mi – about 17 mins
41.8 mi, 1 hour 23 mins
http://goo.gl/maps/G8RrY
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FM #2  to Sauvie Island to cleaners and gym to home
-------------
leave
15995 SW Walker Rd, Beaverton, OR 97006 .....leave 10:30
arrive......11:05, no time to smell the roses
Sauvie Island Bridge...... 14.8 mi – about 25 mins
arrive 11:35, no time to pick up clothing and to gym by 11:39
16035 Southwest Walker Road, Beaverton.....15.1 mi – about 25 mins
arrive 11:39, if picking up clothing, prob wont get to gym at the check in time
1265 NW Waterhouse Ave, Beaverton, OR .....1.1 mi – about 3 mins
leave gym 12:20 arrive home 1:01
15725 NW Sheltered Nook Rd Portland, OR 97231.......10.9 mi – about 19 mins
41.9 mi, 1 hour 12 mins
http://goo.gl/maps/oUEvb









Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 30, 2013, 04:07:42 PM
Thanks cw618.

Life beckons outside the computer room this afternoon but later I will attempt to comprehend the implications of all your amazing research and ... maybe a new theory ... a new timeline ... will be forthcoming.

Thanks again for all your hard work ... it was appreciated.

Janet



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 30, 2013, 04:40:42 PM
Janet no, on picking DS up,then going back to get her car then to her work all by
 8:55 AM, even if DS  met TMH somewhere b4 the SF, prob still wont work, the
ttimeframe is to tight, TMH left the SF at 8:45 AM, was at FM per 9:12am receipt
i think that is why LE ,was trying to use DS time missing from garden prop, at about
11:30 a.m, but i dont see that working either, and going with the drive around time,
cant make the island fit either. Janet thanks, you helped me see something else
JMO, looking at the timelines and maps i did, if TMH had anything to do with kyron
missing, it happened at the school, she prob took kyron back out to truck and gave,
sold, him to someone. how much is a 7yr old blue eyed sandy hair, cute as a button
boy worth on the black market

<Respectively snipped by Tamikosmom>



cw618

My timeline does not include Terri "driving around on rural roads".  Kaine Horman is sceptical.  I believe the time between leaving the school arriving home at approximately 1:00 PM was all about creating an alibi and disappearing Kyron.

I could be wrong but ... my theory does not imply that Kyron was sold.  I believe the disappearing was all about getting back at a controlling cheating husband.  Whether Kyron is dead or alive depends on which one of the two I am suspicious Terri handed her stepson to on the morning of June 4, 2010.

My prayer is that Kyron is safe and he will someday be be returned to his Mom and Dad.

+++++

Kaine describes what Terri told him about Kyron’s disappearance
Published: May 24, 2011 at 11:28 PM PDT


<snipped>

Then she says she spent roughly an hour and a half driving the back roads of Northwest Multnomah County to soothe her daughter as the medications kicked in.

Kaine says he’s never had to do that.

"I don't need to drive her around to put her to sleep or to get her to stop crying or anything else. I have not needed to do that once. I have yet to need to do that is about all that I can say," he says.

<snipped>

http://www.katu.com/news/local/122554994.html?tab=video&c=y



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 30, 2013, 10:10:17 PM

THE ROCK AND THE HARD PLACE

The System is "d----- if it does and d----- if it doesn't".

There are those that claims Terri Horman has not been charged with the happenings encompassing the disappearance of Kyron and therefore she should be granted joint custody of her daughter ... her daughter that she has had not contact with for three years.

Akin to the Kyron Horman case ... in the Susan Powell case there was circumstantial evidence Josh Powell was behind the disappearance of his wife but not enough hard evidence to bring about an indictment.  Nevertheless ... against the objections of his inlaws ... Josh was afforded supervised visits with his sons and his sons are now deceased at the hands of their father.

Could it be in the Kyron Horman case there is substantial circumstantial evidence the Terri Horman masterminded the disappearance of her stepson and she instigated a MFH plot against Kain but there is not yet hard evidence to motivate an indictment by investigators?  Could it be that case files viewed by the judge convinces him that both Kiara and Kaine could be at risk if he ruled against Kaine's no contact motion?

Janet


The Susan Powell Case

The Murder Of Susan Powell's Two Young Boys At The Hands Of Their Father
2/05/2012

http://www.forbes.com/sites/crime/2012/02/05/the-murder-of-susan-powells-two-young-boys-by-the-hands-of-their-father/2/

Parental rights vs. child safety: Should boys have been visiting Josh Powell? (+video)
February 6, 2012

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2012/0206/Parental-rights-vs.-child-safety-Should-boys-have-been-visiting-Josh-Powell-video


The Kyron Horman Case

Father of Missing Oregon Boy Suspects Stepmom
Published July 09, 2010


<snipped>

The order contained the first publicly released suspicion by Kaine Horman that his wife was connected to Kyron Horman's disappearance.

"I believe respondent is involved in the disappearance of my son Kyron who has been missing since June 4, 2010," Kaine Horman's petition reads. "I also recently learned that respondent attempted to hire someone to murder me. The police have provided me with probable cause to believe the above two statements to be true."

His statement contained no details on how Terri Horman might be involved in the boy's disappearance.

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/07/09/father-missing-oregon-boy-suspects-stepmom/


Kyron's father wants step-mom Terri to leave home sooner
Posted on July 14, 2010 at 10:48 AM
Updated Thursday, Jul 15 at 6:09 PM


<snipped>
 
Similarities to Murder-for-Hire plot

Monday's court filing also stated that police had told Kaine that Terri's "sexual overtures to Mr. Cook resemble those made to the man Respondent (Terri Horman) attempted to hire to murder Petitioner (Kaine)."

In the original restraining order filing, Kaine stated that police had told him Terri had tried to hire a landscaper to kill Kaine

<snipped>

http://www.kgw.com/news/Court-doc-Kaine-Terri-Horman-kyron-horman-contempt-sexting-98270654.html


Judge rules Terri Horman's lawyers can't depose investigator or students, but can question Skyline School teachers, various business staff
September 16, 2013


<snipped>

Attorneys and the judge expect that the earliest that a divorce and child custody hearing can proceed between Terri Horman and Kyron's father, Kaine Horman, is May 2014.

Kantor wrote that the guiding principle for the court is the "best interests and welfare of Kiara and the safety of the parties'' involved, and not Kyron's disappearance or any potential prosecution.

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/09/judge_rules_terri_hormans_lawy.html






Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 01, 2013, 11:54:43 AM
DEDE SPICHER

What did DeDe reveal to the Grand Jury in July, 2010 that motivated her attorney to share that he would not be surprised if an indictment against Terri was imminent?  What did DeDe reveal to the Grand Jury in July, 2010 that initiated an August, 2010 search?

Janet

++++++

Connect the Dots

Attorney: Spicher shared Terri Horman emails, texts with cops
July 26, 2010


PORTLAND, Ore. -- DeDe Spicher, identified as a close friend of Terri Moulton-Horman, was called before a grand jury Monday in Multnomah County as part of the ongoing investigation into the disappearance of her step-son Kyron Horman.

Spicher's attorney told NBC Dateline that he would be "surprised" if Terri was not arrested in the case.

Grand jury proceedings are not open to the public or the media. However, Spicer's attorney did confirm that his client was subpoenaed to testify but did not give any testimony under oath Monday. He said she could be called back to testify in the future. ....

Stavley also told NBC Dateline Monday that Spicher had been, and planned to keep, cooperating with investigators. He said that she had already shared text messages and emails sent to and from Terri with detectives.

"I would be, frankly, surprised if Terri Horman did not eventually face charges in this case," Stavley said. "I'd be surprised if the indictment didn't come down."

<snipped>

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/DeDe-Spicher-testifies-before-grand-jury-99252004-kyron-horman-missing-portland.html


Crews Search Again In Kyron Horman Case
8-08-2010


Crews set up a search base at a rock quarry in northwest Portland and combed fields along Cornell Road over the weekend in the search for missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman.

FOX 12 has confirmed that a tip from DeDe Spicher -- a friend of Kyron's stepmother Terri Horman -- is what sparked the search of at least one area. In the past, Kyron's birth parents have suggested Spicher wasn't cooperating with investigators

Sheriff's investigators and search teams set up a command center at a rock quarry located off Skyline Boulevard, about three minutes away from Skyline School. Crews were also seen in a field off Cornell Road on Sunday and a field off Cornelius Pass Road -- about one mile south of the school -- on Saturday.

<snipped>

http://www.kptv.com/story/14794078/crews-search-again-in-kyron-horman-case-8-08-2010?clienttype=printable


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 01, 2013, 12:30:23 PM
Why did it take three years ... three years that Kaine has had sole custody of Kiara ... for Terri to request an evaluator to investigate "troubling aspects" of Kaine's parenting skills?

Why was Terri not moving heaven and earth for an evaluation from the get go rather than sexting with Michael Cook four days following last time she held her daughter?

Janet

+++++

Terri Horman agrees to evaluation in hopes of seeing daughter
Posted: Aug 29, 2013 7:52 AM PDT
Updated: Sep 26, 2013 7:59 AM PDT


PORTLAND, OR (KPTV) - Terri Horman, the stepmother of missing Portland boy Kyron Horman, is willing to undergo an evaluation to determine whether she should be allowed to spend time with her daughter, according to court documents.

Kyron's father, Kaine Horman, requested the evaluation.

<snipped>

Court documents said Terri Horman will not answer any  questions during the upcoming evaluation that would compromise her Fifth Amendment rights.

Documents filed by Terri Horman's legal team said "there are a number of troubling aspects of (Kaine Horman)'s prior conduct and parental decisions that should be thoroughly investigated by the evaluator," but the lawyers did not elaborate on the allegation.

<snipped>

http://www.fox19.com/story/23288751/terri-horman-to-undergo-evaluation


Kyron's father wants step-mom Terri to leave home sooner
Posted on July 14, 2010 at 10:48 AM
Updated Thursday, Jul 15 at 6:09 PM


<snipped>

The motion also states police told Kaine that Terri exchanged hundred of text messages with Cook and several photographs of Terri Horman "in various stages of undress and graphic sexual activity." According to the filing, the "sexual nature" of the relationship between Cook and Terri Horman began on or about June 30, four days after Kaine Horman moved out of the family's Northwest Portland home.

<snipped>

http://www.kgw.com/news/Court-doc-Kaine-Terri-Horman-kyron-horman-contempt-sexting-98270654.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: cw618 on October 01, 2013, 01:28:44 PM
Quote
cw618

My timeline does not include Terri "driving around on rural roads".  Kaine Horman is sceptical.  I believe the time between leaving the school arriving home at approximately 1:00 PM was all about creating an alibi and disappearing Kyron.

I could be wrong but ... my theory does not imply that Kyron was sold.  I believe the disappearing was all about getting back at a controlling cheating husband.  Whether Kyron is dead or alive depends on which one of the two I am suspicious Terri handed her stepson to on the morning of June 4, 2010.

My prayer is that Kyron is safe and he will someday be be returned to his Mom and Dad.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9941.msg1577301#msg1577301

Janet sorry, i meant even during, TMH statement she was driving around, that the island would
not fit in a time line. if TMH statement is true she did not drive far,as you can see by the times on
the maps, it takes awhile to get around. kyron being sold was JMO,did not mean to imply it was yours

about the time it takes to go to and from, JMO, a hand off would be hard to do, not impossible
just tough with out someone seeing something, as i said JMO, those tight times are why i think,
if TMH helped dissapear kyron it happened at the school
gym to home is 10.9 mile and takes 19 mins
http://goo.gl/maps/TIuQm
FM #2 to S island is 13.4 mi, 25 mins and thats just to the bridge not driving around the island
http://goo.gl/maps/Yw7RS


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: cw618 on October 01, 2013, 01:35:50 PM
this has always bothered me,you would think in a group of 4 or 5 kids,you would
remember if kyron was there, lets say there are 30 parent leaders, show kyrons
pic was he in your group, how hard is that  ::MonkeyMad::

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Kyron Horman disappearance: Skyline school parents and students will be interviewed Sunday
 By Allan Brettman, The Oregonian
Email the author | Follow on Twitter
on June 05, 2010 at 9:57 PM, updated June 18, 2010 at 4:59 PM
 ::snipping3::
Witnesses said Kyron arrived at the school with his stepmother, Terri Moulton Horman, on Friday morning, perhaps about 8 a.m. Parents had been invited to attend Skyline's annual schoolwide science fair, an event scheduled for 8 to 10 a.m., according to the PTA.

The stepmother said she last saw Kyron at about 8:45 a.m. walking down the hallway toward his classroom, according to a sheriff's office news release.

It was not clear, however, whether Kyron, like every other student in the school, then participated in a classroom-to-classroom inspection of other science projects.
 ::snipping3::
Parent-led groups of about four students walked among the classrooms, said Gina Zimmerman, president of the Skyline PTA.

"You were supposed to stay with your group," Zimmerman said. "I don't know what group he was in."

However, the sheriff's office news release says school staff did not see Kyron after 8:45 a.m. and that he did not make it to his classroom.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/search_for_missing_portland_bo.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 01, 2013, 02:18:21 PM
cw618

I agree.  I would assume that "the sheriff's office news release" was motivated by the fact that there were no witnesses that saw Kyron following the 8:45 AM final bell.

BTW ... I am working on a new "timeline".  I am really trying to make my theory work using your research in regards to locations and driving distance.  Stuff happening outside the computer room today but ... I will get back to it.

Janet

++++++

Kyron Horman disappearance: Skyline school parents and students will be interviewed Sunday
June 18, 2010 at 4:59 PM


Witnesses said Kyron arrived at the school with his stepmother, Terri Moulton Horman, on Friday morning, perhaps about 8 a.m.

The stepmother said she last saw Kyron at about 8:45 a.m. walking down the hallway toward his classroom, according to a sheriff's office news release.

<snipped>

However, the sheriff's office news release says school staff did not see Kyron after 8:45 a.m. and that he did not make it to his classroom.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/search_for_missing_portland_bo.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 01, 2013, 02:57:26 PM

Why did it take three years ... three years that Kaine has had sole custody of Kiara ... for Terri to request an evaluator to investigate "troubling aspects" of Kaine's parenting skills?

Janet

+++++

Terri Horman agrees to evaluation in hopes of seeing daughter
Posted: Aug 29, 2013 7:52 AM PDT
Updated: Sep 26, 2013 7:59 AM PDT


PORTLAND, OR (KPTV) - Terri Horman, the stepmother of missing Portland boy Kyron Horman, is willing to undergo an evaluation to determine whether she should be allowed to spend time with her daughter, according to court documents.

Kyron's father, Kaine Horman, requested the evaluation.

<snipped>

Court documents said Terri Horman will not answer any  questions during the upcoming evaluation that would compromise her Fifth Amendment rights.

Documents filed by Terri Horman's legal team said "there are a number of troubling aspects of (Kaine Horman)'s prior conduct and parental decisions that should be thoroughly investigated by the evaluator," but the lawyers did not elaborate on the allegation.

<snipped>

http://www.fox19.com/story/23288751/terri-horman-to-undergo-evaluation



Could it be that Terri does have knowledge ... if exposed ... would put Kaine in a bad light in regards to reputation?  Is this threat the reason why Kaine recently backtracked and dismissed the restraining order that has prevented Terri from contact with Kiara for over three years and ... is now requesting an evaluation to determine whether Terri a fit mother?

Has a behind the scenes deal been negotiated between Kaine and Terri in regards to the custody issue?  In other words ... could it be that Kaine does not hold all the aces?

Janet

+++++


Multnomah County Sheriff's Office issued a news release, saying the disappearance case remains a "high priority."
August 03, 2013 at 8:20 AM


Kyron's father, Kaine Horman, also dismissed a restraining order against Terri Horman, and their stalled divorce case is set to proceed next month.

The developments came within weeks after Terri Horman's lawyers moved for the first time in three years to aggressively contest her estranged husband's renewal of the restraining order that has prevented her from seeing their daughter, Kiara, now 4 1/2.

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/07/kyron_horman_case_investigatio.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 01, 2013, 03:18:20 PM

DeDe Spicher - Lawsuit Desposition - October 5, 2012

http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/DeDe-watermarked-1.pdf


WHY?

Attorney: Terri Horman's friend refused to answer 142 questions in Kyron case
Posted: Oct 23, 2012 12:21 PM PDT
Updated: Nov 27, 2012 12:31 PM PST


PORTLAND, OR (KPTV) - Kyron Horman's parents have called her uncooperative in the past and now an attorney said DeDe Spicher refused to answer more than 100 questions regarding the missing boy.

<snipped>

Shortly after the boy's disappearance, Kyron's parents said Spicher was in close communication with Terri Horman and provided her "advice that is not in the best interests of our son."

Young's lawyer said Spicher was called in for a deposition earlier this month as part of the lawsuit against Terri Horman. Elden Rosenthal said Spicher refused to answer 142 of his questions, citing her Fifth Amendment rights not to incriminate herself.

http://www.kptv.com/story/19894510/terri-hormans-friend-refused-to-answer-142-questions-in-kyron-case


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 01, 2013, 09:48:00 PM
cw618

I have not revised my theory but I have changed the sequence to hopefully fit a reasonable timeline of events that encompasses the whereabouts of DeDe and Terri on the morning of June 4, 2010.  If it still does not work when driving time is considered ... I may try again.  Then again ... I may not.

Thanks

Janet

++++++++

The disappearance of Kyron - A Theory

Friday, June 4, 2010


07:50 AM - (Horman Residence, 15725 NW Sheltered Nook Rd, Portland, OR 97231)  Terri leaves home with Kyron and Kiara in Kaine's pick up truck.  She claims that she requires his vehicle to bring Kyron's science project home from school.  Terri picks up DeDe on the route somewhere close to Skyline Elementary. DeDe's truck is parked out of sight.

08:00 AM - (Skyline Elementary, 11536 NW Skyline Blvd, Portland, OR 97231)  Terri, Kiara, Kyron and DeDe arrive at Skyline Elementary.  Terri parks in front of the school.  BOTH DeDe and Kiara stay in the vehicle.  Terri and Kyron go directly to the classroom where a photo of Kyron was taken with his science project.  DeDe moves Terri's pick up truck unnoticed from the front of the school to an obscure exit?  Kyron is whisked out of school by Terri unnoticed through a downstairs exit to the waiting vehicle. Terri drives DeDe a short distance to pick up her vehicle. 

09:00 AM - (40 Acre Property, Northwest Old Germantown Road, Portland, OR)  Terri follows DeDe to her place of employment. DeDe parks her vehicle in a visible location and makes her presence known.  DeDe leaves property unnoticed  in Terri's vehicle.

09:30 AM - (Fred Myers, 11425 SW Beaverton-Hillsdale Hwy  Beaverton, OR 97005)  Terri has an encounter with Andrea Leckey while holding Kiara

00:00 AM - (Albertsons, 5415 SW Beaverton-Hillsdale Hwy  Portland, OR 97221)

00:00 - (Fred Meyers, 15995 SW Walker Rd, Beaverton, OR 97006)

00:00 - (Magic Cleaners, 16035 SW Walker Rd  Beaverton, OR 97006)  Store employee reveals to media that Terri was in the establishment alone.  No Kiara.

11:00 AM - (Sauvie Island Bridge) Kyron is handed over to Kaine's former friend or DeDe's former child advocate boyfriend or ...

11:40 AM - (24 Hour Fitness, 1265 NW Waterhouse Avenue Beaverton, OR 97006)  Terri arrives at Gym.  DeDe remains in the vehicle.  Where's Kiara?

01:00 PM - (40 Acre Property, Northwest Old Germantown Road, Portland, OR) Terri drives DeDe back to 40 acre property where DeDe makes her presence known.  When questioned regarding her absence ... DeDe insists she had been on the property all morning.

01:20 PM - Horman Residence - NW Sheltered Nook Rd, Portland, OR 97231 - Terri returns home with Kiara.  Terri emails photo of Kyron taken earlier to contacts.

02:00 PM - Terri does not attend the talent show ... the talent show that Kyron is a participant.  Terri does not bring home Kyron's science project?


I have accumulated backup articles, documents, transcripts and videos that are available upon request.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 01, 2013, 10:13:07 PM
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ9GVE1nvW3uh02stlMArLJ0x80yX_gcdy-ABDjN71CJm84_DKy)

"For the time is coming when everything that is covered will be revealed, and all that is secret will be made known to all."  Matthew 10:26


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 02, 2013, 12:20:11 PM
IDK janet if MC is Connected to kyron, funny though how
close his job is to skyline, and the FM #1 that TMH went to at 9am

Michael Cook
Senior Account Executive at Pinnacle Exhibits
Portland, Oregon Area Marketing and Advertising
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/michael-cook/4/a91/44

skyline school to MC work and TMH FM #1
http://goo.gl/maps/uWBls

Pinnacle Exhibits
22400 NW Westmark Dr Hillsboro,OR97124
http://www.pinnacle-exhibits.com/work/clients


cw618

Considering my theory implies that Kyron was handed over to another by Terri sometime between 8:30 AM and 1:00 PM on June 4, 2010 ... your research is definitely food for thought.  Where does the Sauvie Island pings/searches ... fit into the scenario?

Janet

+++++

The Grand Jury - July, 2010

Attorney: Spicher shared Terri Horman emails, texts with cops
July 26, 2010


PORTLAND, Ore. -- DeDe Spicher, identified as a close friend of Terri Moulton-Horman, was called before a grand jury Monday in Multnomah County as part of the ongoing investigation into the disappearance of her step-son Kyron Horman.

<snipped>

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/DeDe-Spicher-testifies-before-grand-jury-99252004-kyron-horman-missing-portland.html


The Search - August, 2010

Crews Search Again In Kyron Horman Case
8-08-2010


Crews set up a search base at a rock quarry in northwest Portland and combed fields along Cornell Road over the weekend in the search for missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman.

FOX 12 has confirmed that a tip from DeDe Spicher -- a friend of Kyron's stepmother Terri Horman -- is what sparked the search of at least one area. In the past, Kyron's birth parents have suggested Spicher wasn't cooperating with investigators.

Sheriff's investigators and search teams set up a command center at a rock quarry located off Skyline Boulevard, about three minutes away from Skyline School. Crews were also seen in a field off Cornell Road on Sunday and a field off Cornelius Pass Road -- about one mile south of the school -- on Saturday.

Multnomah County deputies said they were following up on tips, but they did not reveal whether any new evidence was found.

<snipped>

The case is believed to be the subject of recent grand jury proceedings at the Multnomah County Courthouse.

http://www.kptv.com/story/14794078/crews-search-again-in-kyron-horman-case-8-08-2010?clienttype=printable


Fred Myers #1

Kyron Horman investigators ask public to help track white pickup Terri Horman drove
August 11, 2010 at 1:35 PM
updated August 17, 2010 at 8:08 AM


<snipped>

At Wednesday's news conference, Underhill and sheriff's Detective Bob O'Donnell also asked for help from anyone who may have seen the Horman pickup later that morning in the lot of two Fred Meyer stores -- the Cornelius Pass store off Northwest Imbrie Drive in Hillsboro around 9 a.m. or the Beaverton store along Southwest Walker Road about 10 a.m.

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/kyron_horman_case_investigator.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 02, 2013, 12:43:26 PM
When Desiree stated to Dr. Phil that the tip that motivated the recent search originated from DeDe ... could it be that Kyron's Mom was referring to the DeDe's July, 2010 Grand Jury testimony?

Janet

+++++

Mom of missing Kyron won’t ‘let Terri win’
Monday, September 2, 2013, 10:35 am
Published: Sunday, September 1, 2013, 5:01 pm


PORTLAND, Ore. (KOIN) — The mother of a missing northwest Portland boy spoke to the press Sunday as search efforts renewed for evidence into his disappearance: “If he was here, he would say thank you very much.”

<snipped>

Volunteers with the group Kyron Horman’s World Soldiers set up a staging area in northwest Portland off Skyline Boulevard. They recruited two non-profit search agencies, and said they had an overwhelming response from volunteers.

Aided by 10 search dog teams, around 60 volunteers each day scoured the area around Skyline Boulevard and Germantown Road — the same area searchers combed shortly after Kyron disappeared in 2010.

<snipped>

http://www.koin.com/2013/09/01/volunteers-continue-search-for-kyron/


(http://3eb719iiwsg2zvm0i2ib5oy1a0p.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/7/2013/09/9-1-13-desiree-young-with-searchers2-Ellen-Hansen.jpg)

 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: cw618 on October 02, 2013, 01:46:34 PM

Quote
cw618
I have not revised my theory but I have changed the sequence to hopefully fit a reasonable timeline of events that encompasses the whereabouts of DeDe and Terri on the morning of June 4, 2010.  If it still does not work when driving time is considered ... I may try again.  Then again ... I may not.
Thanks
Janet
++++++++
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9941.msg1577349#msg1577349
--------------------------
TMH timeframe was 8:45 - 1:20.....4 hrs 35mins
no stops just drive time,from place to place
67.6 mi, 2 hours 20 mins
http://goo.gl/maps/wrsqU
-------------------------
im just averageing 15 min stops, per stop after the SF
drop car...15
FM#1... 15
alberts... 15
FM#2...  15
cleaners..15
drop DS..15
back to gym...15
gym....40-45.........total stops time...2.5 hrs...total drive and stops....4 hrs 50mins
---------------------------------
Janet this map is a pos place where TMH picked up DS
IE: maybe why LE was asking about truck seen on newberry road
 the route to and from......12.6 mi, 26 mins
A.home B pick up C. school D.back to car E.farm
http://goo.gl/maps/JaA0f
2nd link is a street view of parking and trail
http://goo.gl/maps/9DZJ5


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: cw618 on October 02, 2013, 01:48:35 PM

Quote
cw618
I have not revised my theory but I have changed the sequence to hopefully fit a reasonable timeline of events that encompasses the whereabouts of DeDe and Terri on the morning of June 4, 2010.  If it still does not work when driving time is considered ... I may try again.  Then again ... I may not.
Thanks
Janet
++++++++
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9941.msg1577349#msg1577349
--------------------------
TMH timeframe was 8:45 - 1:20.....4 hrs 35mins
no stops just drive time,from place to place
67.6 mi, 2 hours 20 mins
http://goo.gl/maps/wrsqU
-------------------------
im just averageing 15 min stops, per stop after the SF
drop car...15
FM#1... 15
alberts... 15
FM#2...  15
cleaners..15
drop DS..15
back to gym...15
gym....40-45.........total stops time...2.5 hrs...total drive and stops....4 hrs 50mins
---------------------------------
Janet this map is a pos place where TMH picked up DS
IE: maybe why LE was asking about truck seen on newberry road
 the route to and from......12.6 mi, 26 mins
A.home B pick up C. school D.back to car E.farm
http://goo.gl/maps/JaA0f
2nd link is a street view of parking and trail
http://goo.gl/maps/9DZJ5


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: cw618 on October 02, 2013, 01:56:12 PM
Quote
cw618

Considering my theory implies that Kyron was handed over to another by Terri sometime between 8:30 AM and 1:00 PM on June 4, 2010 ... your research is definitely food for thought.  Where does the Sauvie Island pings/searches ... fit into the scenario?

Janet
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9941.msg1577371#msg1577371

not sure did LE ever give a time for those pings, im busy busy for a few days so
il look at it over wknd, maybe i can find a stated time for pings

mods not sure how i double posted, could you delete this one, sorry for any trouble
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9941.msg1577374#msg1577374


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 02, 2013, 02:21:42 PM

Quote
cw618
I have not revised my theory but I have changed the sequence to hopefully fit a reasonable timeline of events that encompasses the whereabouts of DeDe and Terri on the morning of June 4, 2010.  If it still does not work when driving time is considered ... I may try again.  Then again ... I may not.
Thanks
Janet
++++++++
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9941.msg1577349#msg1577349
--------------------------
TMH timeframe was 8:45 - 1:20.....4 hrs 35mins

no stops just drive time,from place to place
67.6 mi, 2 hours 20 mins
http://goo.gl/maps/wrsqU
-------------------------
im just averageing 15 min stops, per stop after the SF
drop car...15
FM#1... 15
alberts... 15
FM#2...  15
cleaners..15
drop DS..15
back to gym...15
gym....40-45.........total stops time...2.5 hrs...total drive and stops....4 hrs 50mins
---------------------------------
Janet this map is a pos place where TMH picked up DS
IE: maybe why LE was asking about truck seen on newberry road
 the route to and from......12.6 mi, 26 mins
A.home B pick up C. school D.back to car E.farm
http://goo.gl/maps/JaA0f
2nd link is a street view of parking and trail
http://goo.gl/maps/9DZJ5

Thanks cw618.

 ::HelloKitty::

Janet





Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: cw618 on October 02, 2013, 02:37:04 PM
here is map from MC work to S island bridge,that route goes past
nw old germantown road too, that could be convenient lol

http://goo.gl/maps/F6cZb


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2013, 12:12:47 PM

Kyron's father wants step-mom Terri to leave home sooner
Posted on July 14, 2010 at 10:48 AM
Updated Thursday, Jul 15 at 6:09 PM


<snipped>

The motion also states police told Kaine that Terri exchanged hundred of text messages with Cook and several photographs of Terri Horman "in various stages of undress and graphic sexual activity." According to the filing, the "sexual nature" of the relationship between Cook and Terri Horman began on or about June 30, four days after Kaine Horman moved out of the family's Northwest Portland home.

<snipped>

http://www.kgw.com/news/Court-doc-Kaine-Terri-Horman-kyron-horman-contempt-sexting-98270654.html


Hundreds of pages of text messages!!!

Could it be that contents derived from Terri and Michael communications form some of the circumstantial evidence against Terri that Desiree Young alluded to in the Dr. Phil interview?

Think about it.  Michael Cook does not deny the sexting allegations in his interview with KGW.

Janet

+++++


Kyron's father wants step-mom Terri to leave home sooner
Posted on July 14, 2010 at 10:48 AM
Updated Thursday, Jul 15 at 6:09 PM


<snipped>

The filing alleges that Terri took the restraining order to Cook's home, where she showed him the document and allowed him to take cell phone photos of the document, which included Kaine's new address. He shared information from the restraining order with at least two other unidentified people, according to the court document.

The filing also stated that a police search of Cook's phone found that Cook had done a Google search to map Kaine's new address but that he told police he did not go to the residence.

<snipped>

In an interview with KGW on Monday, Cook admitted that he had used his cell phone to photograph the sealed restraining order, and that he had engaged in "sexting" with Terri Horman.

Cook also admitted having "inappropriate communication" with Terri Horman but he denied having sexual relations with her. "I never slept with her," Cook told KGW.

Cook did admit that he had Googled Kaine Horman's new address on his cell phone.

<snipped>

http://www.kgw.com/news/Court-doc-Kaine-Terri-Horman-kyron-horman-contempt-sexting-98270654.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2013, 12:35:33 PM
cw618

Could it be that we have not heard the last of Michael Cook in regards to the Kyron Horman case?

Have a good weekend.

Janet

+++++

Kyron's father wants step-mom Terri to leave home sooner
Posted on July 14, 2010 at 10:48 AM
Updated Thursday, Jul 15 at 6:09 PM


<snipped>

Monday's court filing also stated that police had told Kaine that Terri's "sexual overtures to Mr. Cook resemble those made to the man Respondent (Terri Horman) attempted to hire to murder Petitioner (Kaine)."

In the original restraining order filing, Kaine stated that police had told him Terri had tried to hire a landscaper to kill Kaine.

<snipped>

http://www.kgw.com/news/Court-doc-Kaine-Terri-Horman-kyron-horman-contempt-sexting-98270654.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2013, 04:04:10 PM
Considering Kaine's truck had been towed away twice in the month following the June 4, 2010 Kyron disappearance ... there was a time I suspected a connection that upheld an internet rumor that was circulating ... a rumor that implied Kyron's glasses were in the  possession of investigators.  However ... the following article has convinced me otherwise.

Janet

+++++

Kyron's Glasses

Police share replica of Kyron Horman's glasses
Posted on June 15, 2010 at 11:19 AM
Updated Tuesday, Jul 6 at 12:40 PM


PORTLAND – In the ongoing effort to find missing seven-year-old Kyron Horman, police on Monday displayed a replica of the eyeglasses he was wearing the day he disappeared and a photo of what he looks without them on.

<snipped>

http://www.kgw.com/news/Police-display-replica-of-glasses-worn-by-Kyron-Horman-96398984.html


Twice Towed

The search for Kyron: Terri Horman's father talks to 'People'
Published: Jun 27, 2010 at 5:42 PM PDT
Last Updated: Jun 27, 2010 at 6:06 PM PDT


Kyron is on the cover of "People" magazine for the second week in a row. This time, however, the story centers on Kyron's stepmom, Terri Horman. Her father, Larry Moulton, spoke to "People" about the investigation. In this issue, he says investigators are taking a closer look at Terri and answers whether he thinks she'll be arrested.

Under a portrait of the family is a quote from Terri Horman's father: "She's trying to be as cooperative as she can ... I guess they think she's going to break."

The stepmother's dad, Larry Moulton, goes on to say investigators have questioned her six hours at a time, several times; have given her two polygraphs; and have taken her truck away twice.

<snipped>

But when People's interviewer asked if Moulton thinks his daughter will be arrested, the article quotes him with this response: "I think it's 50-50."

http://www.katu.com/news/local/97276254.html



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2013, 05:16:06 PM
Considering there are witnesses (FM/Magic Cleaners) and receipts that affirm Terri's alleged stops on the morning of June 4, 2010 and ... considering cell phone pings from Terri's cell indicate otherwise ... could it be that Kyron's stepmother left her cell in the Mustang on the morning?

Could it be that the internet chatter regarding the sighting of a red Mustang on Sauvie Island be significant ... a red Mustang driving driving erratically ...  a red Mustang reported to authorities ... reported to authorities prior Kyron being discovered missing?

Considering Kaine has allegedly passed a polygraph with "flying colors" ... the question would be "Who was driving the red Mustang?"  It makes sense that "bank card records" would provide authorities with a clue.

Janet

+++++++


Terri Horman agrees to leave house
Posted on July 8, 2010 at 5:53 PM
Updated Monday, Jul 12 at 12:44 PM


<snipped>

In court records released last week, Kyron's father, Kaine Horman, said that investigators told him that they have probable cause to believe that Kyron's stepmother Terri was involved in his disappearance.
 
Sources also told KGW Saturday that  investigators have been creating a detailed timeline of what Terri did the day her stepson disappeared.
 
While Terri Horman has said she was in certain locations, investigators have placed her elsewhere using bank card records and cell phone pings, according to sources.
 
Investigators know that she left Skyline Elementary School around 9 a.m. on the day her stepson disappeared and returned home about 1 p.m. But they are trying to fill gaps that opened up from what she told them.
 
Last week KGW reported that investigators have been using Terri Horman's cell phone and email records to see who she was in contact with just before and after the disappearance of Kyron.

<snipped>

http://www.kgw.com/news/Desiree-Young-on-Terri-Moulton-I-know-shes-lying-98075814.html


Officials defend search efforts, dive teams search Sauvie Island
Published: Jun 14, 2010 at 6:36 PM PDT
Last Updated: Jun 14, 2010 at 10:32 PM PDT


<snipped>

Divers were spotted from the air in waist-deep and chest-deep water in the afternoon at Sauvie Island, and authorities confirmed late in the afternoon that it was part of the search for Kyron. They said tips led them to search the area but would not elaborate.

<snipped>

http://www.katu.com/news/local/96341619.html



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2013, 07:26:12 PM
What is wrong with this picture?

Four days following Kyron's disappearance Terri posts on Facebook that she will be "hitting the gym tomorrow".  Three weeks following the disappearance of Kyron and ... four days following Kaine leaving the home with Kiara ... Terri is sexting with Michael Cook.

Could it be that Desiree's words in the recent Dr. Phil interview are a reflect of the truth ... the truth that Terri did express her dislike of Kyron to friends in emails?

Maybe there is something I am missing ... not comprehending.   If my seven year old grandson was missing ...

Janet

+++++

Former detective: Parents’ silence not unheard of but not the norm
Published: Jun 10, 2010 at 12:27 AM PDT


<snipped>

Terri Horman, Kyron’s stepmother, hasn’t been completely silent. She has spent some time on Facebook since Friday responding to posts from friends and talking about her workouts, which is more that Jensen said he finds unusual.

“What I know from being an investigator and dealing with parents in tragic situations like this - homicides, kidnappings, stuff like that - they just really couldn’t much function other than to sit and wait for us to call,” he said.

Terri Horman, Kyron’s stepmother, hasn’t been completely silent. She has spent some time on Facebook since Friday responding to posts from friends and talking about her workouts, which is more that Jensen said he finds unusual.

“What I know from being an investigator and dealing with parents in tragic situations like this - homicides, kidnappings, stuff like that - they just really couldn’t much function other than to sit and wait for us to call,” he said.

Jensen said investigators could be asking the Horman’s to be silent and to carry on with their lives as normal, but he said in his experience it is extremely difficult for families to be quiet and stay away from a search scene when a loved one, especially a child, is missing.

Terri Horman, Kyron’s stepmother, hasn’t been completely silent. She has spent some time on Facebook since Friday responding to posts from friends and talking about her workouts, which is more that Jensen said he finds unusual.

“What I know from being an investigator and dealing with parents in tragic situations like this - homicides, kidnappings, stuff like that - they just really couldn’t much function other than to sit and wait for us to call,” he said.

<snipped> 

http://www.katu.com/news/local/96033344.html


Kyron's father wants step-mom Terri to leave home sooner
Posted on July 14, 2010 at 10:48 AM
Updated Thursday, Jul 15 at 6:09 PM


<snipped>

The motion also states police told Kaine that Terri exchanged hundred of text messages with Cook and several photographs of Terri Horman "in various stages of undress and graphic sexual activity." According to the filing, the "sexual nature" of the relationship between Cook and Terri Horman began on or about June 30, four days after Kaine Horman moved out of the family's Northwest Portland home.

<snipped>

In an interview with KGW on Monday, Cook admitted that he had used his cell phone to photograph the sealed restraining order, and that he had engaged in "sexting" with Terri Horman.

http://www.kgw.com/news/Court-doc-Kaine-Terri-Horman-kyron-horman-contempt-sexting-98270654.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2013, 02:40:01 PM
Could it be that Terri was experiencing some of the psychological and physical side effects associated with steriod use.

Janet

+++++ 


(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ZBAfG3cn30k/TDEGVQMNY6I/AAAAAAAAAXk/F1gLkF5wsKQ/s1600/terri_2Bhorman_2Bbody_2Bbuilding.jpg)


Terri Moulton Horman: Kyron Horman's stepmother is a profile in contradictions
on August 19, 2010 at 10:30 PM
updated August 15, 2012 at 1:12

<snipped>

In 2005, she started going to the gym again, transforming her body into a mass of muscle to compete in a bodybuilding championship.

Kaine said he noticed a sharp shift in her behavior, saying she became self-centered and short-tempered.

"She's not eating a lot of food, she's exercising twice a day, she's up at 4 o'clock in the morning, she's not sleeping at night so we get just general irritable behavior towards everyone around her," he said.

He said she consumed over-the-counter stimulants, such as fat burners, in high doses. In four months between January and April, she shed 62 pounds, dropping from 185 to 123 pounds, he said.

At the end of April, with her muscles bulked up and skin glistening with a bronze tan, she competed in the Emerald Cup bodybuilding competition in Bellevue, Wash.

Clad in shimmering green and purple bikinis with her hair done up in a tumble of curls, she took fourth place in the master's category for women over 35.

But Terri's enthusiasm for the sport waned.

"She competed in one contest and that was the end of her bodybuilding," Kaine said.

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2013, 02:43:19 PM
SELF-EDIT

... associated with steriod use.  s/b ... associated with steriod use and withdrawal.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2013, 11:01:31 PM
KIARA'S RIGHTS

IF the investigation is withholding incriminating circumstantial evidence encompassing the disappearance of Kryon ... incriminating circumstantial evidence encompassing the MFH plot again Kaine ... incriminating circumstantial evidence that would compromise the case if released prior to an indictment ... how could it possible be in Kiara's benefit if custody was granted to Terri?  Terri's Constitutional rights encompassing self-incrimination should not supercede the rights of defenceless child to be safe.

Think about the Susan Powell case.  The investigation had gather incriminating circumstantial evidence that implied Josh Powell was behind the murder and disappearance of his wife.  However ... over the objections of his in-laws ... this guy was granted supervised visitation by the court with his young sons.  We all know how that ruling ended.

Janet

++++++

Terri Horman agrees to limited evaluation for parenting time with daughter
August 27, 2013 at 5:36 PM
updated September 24, 2013 at 8:55


Terri Moulton Horman agrees with her estranged husband's request that an expert should evaluate whether she should have any parenting time with the couple's 4-year-old daughter, Kiara, court papers say.

But Horman, who has been a focus of the criminal investigation into the June 2010 disappearance of her stepson, Kyron, would seek limits on such an evaluation, her attorney Peter Bunch wrote in a filing earlier this month in the Hormans' divorce case.

Police have not provided Terri Horman with information about their investigation, Bunch wrote, and she should not have to answer questions that could affect her constitutional rights.

Still, she supports the idea of reviewing possible ways she could see her daughter, the filing states. Kiara has been living exclusively with her father, Kaine Horman, for the past three years.

<snipped>

The filing comes about two weeks after Kaine Horman submitted his request asking the court to order an evaluation that investigates "the character, family relations and past conduct" of the two parents and for a mental health and psychological evaluation of Terri Horman.

"So far she has chosen her privilege against self-incrimination over a relationship with her daughter," Kaine Horman's lawyer, Brett Engel, wrote. "It is anticipated she will now seek to establish a relationship with Kiara. The risk of physical and/or emotional harm to Kiara is high."

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/08/terri_horman_agrees_to_limited.html


Judge rules Terri Horman's lawyers can't depose investigator or students, but can question Skyline School teachers, various business staff
September 16, 2013


<snipped>

Attorneys and the judge expect that the earliest that a divorce and child custody hearing can proceed between Terri Horman and Kyron's father, Kaine Horman, is May 2014.

Kantor wrote that the guiding principle for the court is the "best interests and welfare of Kiara and the safety of the parties involved", and not Kyron's disappearance or any potential prosecution.

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/09/judge_rules_terri_hormans_lawy.html


Parental rights vs. child safety: Should boys have been visiting Josh Powell? (+video)
February 6, 2012


<snipped>

Joy Silberg, a psychologist who specializes in child protection and abuse cases, says courts often place more value on parental rights than a child’s safety – or see them as equal concerns, when in her view, the parental rights should be secondary

<snipped>

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2012/0206/Parental-rights-vs.-child-safety-Should-boys-have-been-visiting-Josh-Powell-video


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: cw618 on October 06, 2013, 05:02:34 PM
Quote
Twice Towed

The stepmother's dad, Larry Moulton, goes on to say investigators have questioned her six
hours at a time, several times; have given her two polygraphs; and have taken her truck
away twice.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/97276254.html

Between 10:10 in the morning and 11:39, Terri claimed she drove her daughter Kiara around
on rural roads in the family’s white truck because Kiara had an earache. She claimed she was
trying to soothe the toddler with the motion of the vehicle.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/99151549.html?

JMO
after doing this research, and providing TMHs reciepts,cams ect., are accurate
someone else used TMH cell phone on or near S island, not TMH, TMHs time
frames just wont let it happen, you may want to check my math

idk if LE noted the mileage this is just a theory to check TMH drive baby around mileage,
and its a guess on tow date, seems i read about it and the fam said truck needed a repair
truck is towed 6/5/2010 LE notes mileage at, 42k  miles,
LE asks kaine where did you drive on 6/3/2010,and if kaine did the gym in his truck on 
6/4/2010, thats another  22.1 mi  kaine average miles is  87.7 mile, TMH mile is 38.9 mi,
so we have........i'm rounding off miles, see notes below for figureing out the miles
  42,000 - 88  = 41912 + 40 =  41952,  42,000 - 41952 = 48
 TMH  drive baby around miles  = (48) 42,000 - 41952 = 48
with out kaines errand miles, you will see why later in the post
 42,000 - 66 = 41934 + 40 = 41974 =  42,000 - 41974 = 26
----------------------
kaine home to work to home  6/3/2010
23.5 mi, 44 mins
http://goo.gl/maps/DWQdI

and if kaine did the gym 6/3/2010
round trip
 22.1 mi, 39 mins

and if kaine did the gym in his truck on  6/4/2010, thats another  22.1 mi

maybe kaine did some errands/stops,
could prob add another 10 - 20 mile......= 65.6 mile +  22.1 mi =87.7 mile
without kaines errand miles is.....65.6 mile
-----------------
TMH errands...... 6/4/2010
38.9 mi, 1 hour 16 mins
http://goo.gl/maps/VSDFW
-----------------------------
since LE says TMH phone, hit a tower on S Island, JMO that would put
TMH drive baby direction North, and on the north A, map i used about 22
out and back, but the time is off, now its 66 mins instead of TMH stated
time of 30 mins see North B. map, that would also shave 10-12 mile off
the mileage guess above, and that would prob be right if kaine didnt do
any errands 6/3/2010, the north B map puts TMH back around the roads
LE asked about, IE: old german,newberry, but cell phones hit nearest
tower and antenas, if you go to the cell search link below and use DS
work addy, you will there are a lot closer towers and antenas
--------------------
21.6 mi, 33 mins .....NORTH... A
http://goo.gl/maps/CHaUn
10.4 mi, 18 mins .....NORTH... B
http://goo.gl/maps/tZzsF                           
--------------------------------
map below is from DS work to the closest cell tower/not antena on S island
tower,per LE way back in fall of 2010, sorry cant find the link
7.0 mi, 16 mins
http://goo.gl/maps/jkgbz
------------------
cell tower and antena search
once you have the report pg,there is a down load report opens in browser
gives dates,coords,owner ect.
http://www.antennasearch.com/sitestart.asp?sourcepagename=&getpagename=hopgsitemain&cmdrequest=getpage (http://www.antennasearch.com/sitestart.asp?sourcepagename=&getpagename=hopgsitemain&cmdrequest=getpage)

DS work addy
13000 NW Old Germantown Rd, Portland, OR 97231


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 06, 2013, 06:54:26 PM
Thanks cw618!

I quilted my youngest son who popped in for "just a minute" to pick up something to afford me 30 minutes of his precision time to interpret your posted maps and driving times.  He applied your research to the locations in my timeline.  He left prior to coming to any conclusions but will continue this evening from his home.  He was impressed with your efforts.

Janet


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 06, 2013, 07:00:19 PM
+++++

The disappearance of Kyron - A Revised Theory

Friday, June 4, 2010


07:50 AM - (Horman Residence, 15725 NW Sheltered Nook Rd, Portland, OR 97231)  Terri leaves home with Kyron and Kiara in Kaine's pick up truck.  Terri claims that she requires his vehicle to bring Kyron's science project home from school.  Terri picks up DeDe somewhere close to Skyline Elementary. DeDe's truck is parked out of sight.

08:00 AM - (Skyline Elementary, 11536 NW Skyline Blvd, Portland, OR 97231)  Terri, Kiara, Kyron and DeDe arrive at Skyline Elementary.  Terri parks in front of the school.  DeDe and maybe Kiara stay with the vehicle.  Terri and Kyron head directly to the classroom where a photo of Kyron was taken with his science project.  Terri leaves behind Kyron's  jacket and backpack on his desk.  DeDe moves Terri's pick up truck from the front of the school to a back exit?

08:30 AM -  After leaving his classroom Kyron is whisked out of school by Terri unnoticed through a downstairs exit to the waiting vehicle. Terri drives DeDe a short distance to pick up her vehicle. 

09:00 AM - (40 Acre Property, 13000 Northwest Old Germantown Road, Portland, OR)  Terri follows DeDe to her place of employment. DeDe parks her vehicle in a visible location and makes her presence known.  DeDe leaves property unnoticed  in Terri's vehicle.

09:30 AM - (Fred Myers, 11425 SW Beaverton-Hillsdale Hwy  Beaverton, OR 97005)  Terri has an encounter with Andrea Leckey while holding Kiara.  Kyron and DeDe wait in the pick up.

00:00 AM - (Albertsons, 5415 SW Beaverton-Hillsdale Hwy  Portland, OR 97221)

00:00 - (Fred Meyers, 15995 SW Walker Rd, Beaverton, OR 97006)

00:00 - (Magic Cleaners, 16035 SW Walker Rd  Beaverton, OR 97006)  Store employee reveals to media that Terri was in the establishment alone.  No Kiara.  DeDe, Kiara and Kyron wait in the pick up.

11:00 AM - (Sauvie Island)  Records reveal pings from Terri's cell phone that originate on Sauvie Island.  Kyron is handed over to Kaine's former friend or DeDe's former child advocate boyfriend or ...

11:40 AM - (24 Hour Fitness, 1265 NW Waterhouse Avenue Beaverton, OR 97006)  Terri arrives at Gym.  DeDe remains in the vehicle.  Where's Kiara?

01:00 PM - (40 Acre Property, Northwest Old Germantown Road, Portland, OR) Terri drives DeDe back to 40 acre property where DeDe makes her presence known.  When questioned regarding her absence ... DeDe insists she had been on the property all morning.

01:20 PM - (Horman Residence - NW Sheltered Nook Rd, Portland, OR 97231) Terri returns home with Kiara.  Terri emails photo of Kyron taken earlier to contacts.

02:00 PM - Terri does not attend the talent show at Skyline ... the talent show that Kyron is a scheduled participant.  Terri does not bring home Kyron's science project?

I have accumulated backup articles, documents, transcripts and videos that are available upon request.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: cw618 on October 06, 2013, 08:27:05 PM
Thanks cw618!

I quilted my youngest son who popped in for "just a minute" to pick up something to afford me 30 minutes of his precision time to interpret your posted maps and driving times.  He applied your research to the locations in my timeline.  He left prior to coming to any conclusions but will continue this evening from his home.  He was impressed with your efforts.

Janet


make sure he reads this,and TY its hard to impress young folks these days
------------
whoops,my post needs a revison, i used hand written notes, that had the wrong time
my post
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9941.msg1577590#msg1577590

the revison
66 mins instead of TMH stated time of 30 mins
/ should read
66 mins instead of TMH stated time of 1hr 30 mins

and that time would allow for kaines errand miles and for no errand miles
so going with kaines errand miles, TMH could have went pass S island
and used her phone,and have the time and mileage to get back to the
gym same goes for the, no errand miles too

map reminders
kaines errand miles included in baby drive around
http://goo.gl/maps/4wM3w
no errand miles
http://goo.gl/maps/eSRas


Quote
Between 10:10 in the morning and 11:39, Terri claimed she drove her daughter Kiara around
on rural roads in the family’s white truck because Kiara had an earache. She claimed she was
trying to soothe the toddler with the motion of the vehicle.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/99151549.html?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 06, 2013, 08:36:42 PM

On the morning of June 4, 2010 ... Kaine was working at:

Intel - Jones Farm - 2111 Northeast 25th Avenue, Hillsboro, OR, 97124

cw618 ... is the above address located anywhere close to the locations on my timeline.  Could it be that unknown to Kaine the red mustang was picked up from Intel on the morning of June 4, 2010?

Considering a Sauvie Island resident Chas North "allegedly" reported to authorities at 11:00 AM on the morning of June 4, 2010 that he observed a red Mustang (Tag #RDSQRL) and white pick up ... each being driven erratically ... could it be that unknown to Kaine the red Mustang was picked up from and then returned to Intel.  Apparently ... according to internet chatter the driver of each vehicle had red hair.

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 06, 2013, 08:57:07 PM
Thanks cw618!

I guilted my youngest son who popped in for "just a minute" to pick up something to afford me 30 minutes of his precious time to interpret your posted maps and driving times.  He applied your research to the locations in my timeline.  He left prior to coming to any conclusions but will continue this evening from his home.  He was impressed with your efforts.

Janet


make sure he reads this,and TY its hard to impress young folks these days

<respectfully snipped by Tamikosmom>


cw618

I try to convince myself that this guy is "impressed" with his mother.  Afterall ... he has been known to say "Mom, you are unbelievable" as he rolls his eyes and shakes his head.  At this point I tell him to go home to his wife.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 06, 2013, 09:21:41 PM

kaine home to work to home  6/3/2010
23.5 mi, 44 mins
http://goo.gl/maps/DWQdI

"Respectfully snipped by Tamikosmom"


cw618

This article states that on June 4, 2010 Kaine worked at Intel - Jones Farm campus in Hillsboro.

Janet

+++++

Intel employees "praying" for colleague's missing son
June 07, 2010 at 1:39 PM
updated June 07, 2010 at 1:45 PM


<snipped>

Kaine Horman, the father of missing second grader Kyron Horman, works in Intel's architecture group at the company's Jones Farm campus in Hillsboro.

http://blog.oregonlive.com/siliconforest/2010/06/intel_employees_praying_for_co.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 06, 2013, 09:26:00 PM
cw618

I apologize.  We are talking about the same campus.

Janet


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 06, 2013, 09:28:48 PM
Hi kcrn!

::HelloKitty::

I see ya in the rafters.

Janet



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: cw618 on October 06, 2013, 09:59:32 PM

On the morning of June 4, 2010 ... Kaine was working at:

Intel - Jones Farm - 2111 Northeast 25th Avenue, Hillsboro, OR, 97124

cw618 ... is the above address located anywhere close to the locations on my timeline.  Could it be that unknown to Kaine the red mustang was picked up from Intel on the morning of June 4, 2010?

Considering a Sauvie Island resident Chas North "allegedly" reported to authorities at 11:00 AM on the morning of June 4, 2010 that he observed a red Mustang (Tag #RDSQRL) and white pick up ... each being driven erratically ... could it be that unknown to Kaine the red Mustang was picked up from and then returned to Intel.  Apparently ... according to internet chatter the driver of each vehicle had red hair.

Thanks

Janet


yep and if you go back to my post ,on the drive baby around, time and mileage
still fits, kaines errand miles , and no errand miles
my post
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9941.msg1577590#msg1577590

7.7 mi, 16 mins
http://goo.gl/maps/Es0v0
S island bridge added
21.2 mi, 42 mins
http://goo.gl/maps/ySjFF


just some interesting reading,follow the links in he article too
http://www.anorak.co.uk/365200/news/kyron-horman-restraining-the-facts-to-make-terri-horman-confess.html/ (http://www.anorak.co.uk/365200/news/kyron-horman-restraining-the-facts-to-make-terri-horman-confess.html/)
Kyron Horman: restraining the facts to make Terri Horman confess
by Anorak | 28th, August 2013


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 06, 2013, 10:14:17 PM

On the morning of June 4, 2010 ... Kaine was working at:

Intel - Jones Farm - 2111 Northeast 25th Avenue, Hillsboro, OR, 97124

cw618 ... is the above address located anywhere close to the locations on my timeline.  Could it be that unknown to Kaine the red mustang was picked up from Intel on the morning of June 4, 2010?

Considering a Sauvie Island resident Chas North "allegedly" reported to authorities at 11:00 AM on the morning of June 4, 2010 that he observed a red Mustang (Tag #RDSQRL) and white pick up ... each being driven erratically ... could it be that unknown to Kaine the red Mustang was picked up from and then returned to Intel.  Apparently ... according to internet chatter the driver of each vehicle had red hair.

Thanks

Janet


yep and if you go back to my post ,on the drive baby around, time and mileage
still fits, kaines errand miles , and no errand miles
my post
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9941.msg1577590#msg1577590

7.7 mi, 16 mins
http://goo.gl/maps/Es0v0
S island bridge added
21.2 mi, 42 mins
http://goo.gl/maps/ySjFF


just some interesting reading,follow the links in he article too
http://www.anorak.co.uk/365200/news/kyron-horman-restraining-the-facts-to-make-terri-horman-confess.html/ (http://www.anorak.co.uk/365200/news/kyron-horman-restraining-the-facts-to-make-terri-horman-confess.html/)
Kyron Horman: restraining the facts to make Terri Horman confess
by Anorak | 28th, August 2013

 ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: cw618 on October 06, 2013, 10:30:22 PM
i would like to know what LE knows,as i think it would tell, all below

per blinks site a man took kyron out
per LE TMH cell ping S island
DS missing same hrs as TMH drive baby time
JMO
TMH had 2 accomplice, 1 moves truck, 1 takes kyron out, the kyron taker leaves
the truck mover goes with TMH, truck mover and TMH go to island and........
i still find it weird 1 friend of kanies shows up out of the great blue yonder
and the same for TMH friend, what i dont get is how could TMH friend and
kaines friend know each other pryor to kyron missing and kaine not know
that info, as it was prob through TMH
or TMH had only the male and he moved truck,and took kyron out
or the truck moving was a mistake, IE: stenson truck moving around


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 07, 2013, 08:36:18 AM
i would like to know what LE knows,as i think it would tell, all below

per blinks site a man took kyron out
per LE TMH cell ping S island
DS missing same hrs as TMH drive baby time
JMO
TMH had 2 accomplice, 1 moves truck, 1 takes kyron out, the kyron taker leaves
the truck mover goes with TMH, truck mover and TMH go to island and........
i still find it weird 1 friend of kanies shows up out of the great blue yonder
and the same for TMH friend, what i dont get is how could TMH friend and
kaines friend know each other pryor to kyron missing and kaine not know
that info, as it was prob through TMH
or TMH had only the male and he moved truck,and took kyron out
or the truck moving was a mistake, IE: stenson truck moving around


For our monkeys and guest readers, here's the link to Blink's site, Blink on Crime: http://blinkoncrime.com/  and to her latest on the investigation:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/09/11/blink-on-crime-kyron-horman-investigation-exclusive-dede-spicher-interview-yields-allegations-of-illegal-steroid-use-terri-horman-took-to-police/
Blink On Crime Kyron Horman Investigation Exclusive: DeDe Spicher Interview Yields Allegations Of Illegal Steroid Use Terri Horman Took To Police


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2013, 11:59:16 AM

On the morning of June 4, 2010 ... Kaine was working at:

Intel - Jones Farm - 2111 Northeast 25th Avenue, Hillsboro, OR, 97124

cw618 ... is the above address located anywhere close to the locations on my timeline.  Could it be that unknown to Kaine the red mustang was picked up from Intel on the morning of June 4, 2010?

Considering a Sauvie Island resident Chas North "allegedly" reported to authorities at 11:00 AM on the morning of June 4, 2010 that he observed a red Mustang (Tag #RDSQRL) and white pick up ... each being driven erratically ... could it be that unknown to Kaine the red Mustang was picked up from and then returned to Intel.  Apparently ... according to internet chatter the driver of each vehicle had red hair.

Thanks

Janet



7.7 mi, 16 mins
http://goo.gl/maps/Es0v0

S island bridge added
21.2 mi, 42 mins
http://goo.gl/maps/ySjFF

<Respectfully snipped by Tamikosmom>



Andrea Leckey had an encounter with Terri and Kiara at approximately 9:30 AM at the Beaverton-Hillsdale Hwy FM and ... an employee at the Walker Rd Magic Cleaners is on record stating that she had an encounter with Terri ... not Kiara ... on the morning of June 4, 2010.  The questions still remains "What time did this encounter happen" and "Where was Kiara"? 

Considering Terri's attorney did not subpoena witnesses/employees/security cameras from the Beaverton-Hillsdale Hwy Albertsons and the Walker Rd FM ... could it be that Terri never stepped foot in these establishments?

Janet

++++++


Terri Horman's legal team can't interview lead investigator
Posted: Sep 16, 2013 10:35 AM PDT
Updated: Sep 16, 2013 12:27 PM PDT


<snipped>

Kantor quashed the subpoena to depose O'Donnell, but he's allowing Terri Horman's legal team to interview witnesses from Fred Meyer and Terri Horman's gym at 24-Hour Fitness, as well as employees at Magic Cleaners and staff at Skyline School.

<snipped>

http://www.kptv.com/story/23444132/terri-horman-kaine-horman-divorce-development


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2013, 02:08:41 PM
 

Considering attorneys did not subpoena witnesses/employees/security cameras from either Albertsons or the Walker Rd FM ... I have omitted these establishments from the following revised theory encompassing Terri's alleged stops on the morning of June 4, 2010 and ...

Taking into consideration the alleged sighting of a red mustang and white pick up truck on Sauvie Island at 11:00 AM ... I have added two stops at the 2111 Northeast 25th Avenue, Hillsboro Intel Jones Farm.

cw618 ... would you please post the route from Sauvie Island to the Intel Jones Farm campus ... to 24 Hour Fitness.  Thanks.

Janet

++++++

The disappearance of Kyron - A Revised Theory

Friday, June 4, 2010


07:50 AM - (Horman Residence, 15725 NW Sheltered Nook Rd, Portland, OR 97231)  Terri leaves home with Kyron and Kiara in Kaine's pick up truck.  Terri claims that she requires his vehicle to bring Kyron's science project home from school.  Terri picks up DeDe somewhere close to Skyline Elementary. DeDe's truck is parked out of sight.

08:00 AM - (Skyline Elementary, 11536 NW Skyline Blvd, Portland, OR 97231)  Terri, Kiara, Kyron and DeDe arrive at Skyline Elementary.  Terri parks in front of the school.  DeDe and maybe Kiara stay with the vehicle.  Terri and Kyron head directly to the classroom where a photo of Kyron was taken with his science project.  Terri leaves behind Kyron's  jacket and backpack on his desk.  DeDe moves Terri's pick up truck from the front of the school to a back exit?

08:30 AM -  After leaving his classroom Kyron is whisked out of school by Terri unnoticed through a downstairs exit to the waiting vehicle. Terri drives DeDe a short distance to pick up her vehicle. 

09:00 AM - (40 Acre Property, 13000 Northwest Old Germantown Road, Portland, OR)  Terri follows DeDe to her place of employment. DeDe parks her vehicle in a visible location and makes her presence known.  DeDe leaves property unnoticed  in Terri's vehicle.

09:30 AM - (Fred Myers, 11425 SW Beaverton-Hillsdale Hwy  Beaverton, OR 97005)  Terri has an encounter with Andrea Leckey while holding Kiara.  Kyron and DeDe wait in the pick up.

00:00 AM - (Magic Cleaners, 16035 SW Walker Rd  Beaverton, OR 97006)  Store employee reveals to media that Terri was in the establishment alone.  No Kiara.  DeDe, Kiara and Kyron wait in the pick up.

00:00 AM - (Intel Jones Farm Campus - 2111 NE 25th Avenue, Hillsboro) Red Mustang is taken from the parking lot.  Terri drives one vehicle.  DeDe drives the other.

11:00 AM - (Sauvie Island) Red Mustang and White pick up truck driving erratically are reported to authorities.  Records reveal pings from Terri's cell phone that originate on Sauvie Island.  Kyron is handed over to Kaine's former friend or DeDe's former child advocate boyfriend or ...

00:00 AM - (Intel Jones Farm Campus - 2111 NE 25th Avenue, Hillsboro)  Red Mustang is returned to parking lot.

11:40 AM - (24 Hour Fitness, 1265 NW Waterhouse Avenue Beaverton, OR 97006)  Terri arrives at Gym.  DeDe remains in the vehicle.  Where's Kiara?

01:00 PM - (40 Acre Property, Northwest Old Germantown Road, Portland, OR) Terri drives DeDe back to 40 acre property where DeDe makes her presence known.  When questioned regarding her absence ... DeDe insists she had been on the property all morning.

01:20 PM - (Horman Residence - NW Sheltered Nook Rd, Portland, OR 97231) Terri returns home with Kiara.  Terri emails photo of Kyron taken earlier to contacts.

02:00 PM - Terri does not attend the talent show at Skyline ... the talent show that Kyron is a scheduled participant.  Terri does not bring home Kyron's science project?


I have accumulated backup articles, documents, transcripts and videos that are available upon request.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2013, 02:13:24 PM

For our monkeys and guest readers, here's the link to Blink's site, Blink on Crime: http://blinkoncrime.com/  and to her latest on the investigation:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/09/11/blink-on-crime-kyron-horman-investigation-exclusive-dede-spicher-interview-yields-allegations-of-illegal-steroid-use-terri-horman-took-to-police/
Blink On Crime Kyron Horman Investigation Exclusive: DeDe Spicher Interview Yields Allegations Of Illegal Steroid Use Terri Horman Took To Police[/b


PART ONE

A Blink On Crime Exclusive: DeDe Spicher speaks for the first time about her ordeal in the Kyron Horman investigatio
n.

http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/09/04/blink-on-crime-kyron-horman-investigation-exclusive-terri-horman-friend-dede-spicher-breaks-her-silence-after-passing-polygraph-requests-da-clear-her-publicly/


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Amys Sister on October 07, 2013, 04:03:14 PM
Hi Tamikosmom.  I read the ruling and it indicates information has been requested and is allowed at Fred Meyer(s) as in multiple.  Will you please indicate where staff interviews and surveillance are only being requested from one Fred Meyer?  Thank you!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2013, 04:39:45 PM

Hi Tamikosmom.  I read the ruling and it indicates information has been requested and is allowed at Fred Meyer(s) as in multiple.  Will you please indicate where staff interviews and surveillance are only being requested from one Fred Meyer?  Thank you!


Hi Amys Sister

Thanks for the info.  Is it possible to post the link to the document you are referencing.  I have accumulated several document links but no time for reading.  It is Canadian Thanksgiving this coming weekend which implies I got lots to do ... cleaning house ... decorating ... grocery shopping.  Thankfully ... in a pinch semi-retired hubby is a great help.  I knew he was a keeper when I met him at the age of 16.

I am desperately attempting to fit all that has been reported in articles regarding Terri's alleged stops on the morning of June 4, 2010 and the Sauvie Island sighting into a timeline.  cw618 has been a great help and I am waiting "impatiently" for feedback from youngest son.  He has a life so it may be a while.

Amys Sister ... it was the following article along with others that caused me to speculate that only one FM was involved ... the FM where Andrea Leckey had an encounter with Terri.

Thanks again.  Have a good day.

Janet

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Terri Horman's legal team can't interview lead investigator
Posted: Sep 16, 2013 10:35 AM PDT
Updated: Sep 16, 2013 12:27 PM PDT


<snipped>

Kantor quashed the subpoena to depose O'Donnell, but he's allowing Terri Horman's legal team to interview witnesses from Fred Meyer and Terri Horman's gym at 24-Hour Fitness, as well as employees at Magic Cleaners and staff at Skyline School.

<snipped>

http://www.kptv.com/story/23444132/terri-horman-kaine-horman-divorce-development




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Amys Sister on October 07, 2013, 05:02:25 PM
http://www.scribd.com/doc/168622743/Order-Regarding-Depositions-SEPT-16-2013

Page five of this link is the judges order allowing depositions of employees at Fred Meyer store(s).

Just wanted you to be aware so you can amend your timeline.

Happy Thanksgiving!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2013, 05:51:48 PM
Think about it.

I find it hard to believe that there one mother on this forum who would not have mirrored Kaine's actions if LE had told her that "confidential" circumstantial evidence had revealed her  husband was behind the disappearance of her child ... involved with a plot to have her  murdered ... failed two polygraphs ... sent emails expressing hate for your child and ... was no longer cooperating with investigators but pleading The Fifth?  Would it not make sense that you would take the word of LE seriously and ... with a heavy heart ... act accordingly?

Also ... it is hard for me to comprehend that the judge has denied Terri contact with her daughter for three years on Kaine's hearsay.  Could it be that not only has Kaine been informed by those within the investigation that there is "confidential" circumstantial evidence that would imply that Kiara would be at risk if Terri should have contact but ... the judge has also been informed?

Janet

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Court hearing set for Friday on Kaine Horman's petition to renew restraining order
on June 20, 2013 at 3:17 PM
updated June 28, 2013 at 2:27 PM


<snipped>

In Kaine Horman's past petitions, his lawyer has included the same two-paragraph statement signed by Kaine Horman:

"My son, Kyron, has been missing since June 4, 2010. I do not know where he is, if he has been harmed, or if he is alive. Local and federal law enforcement agencies are currently investigating my Wife, Respondent/Terri Horman, for her involvement in Kyron's disappearance. Terri Horman will not cooperate with law enforcement and will not assist in the search for Kyron. I believe that Terri Horman is responsible for Kyron's disappearance.''

After Kyron went missing and the investigation began, law enforcement officials informed me that my Wife had attempted to hire our landscaper to kill me for money. I obtained a restraining order against her to protect myself and my daughter Kiara. Respondent/Terri Horman is a substantial safety threat to me and to my family. She has manifested a desire to physically harm me and my family, and I fear she will continue to try to harm me and my family.''

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/06/court_hearing_set_for_friday_o.htm


Father of Missing Oregon Boy Suspects Stepmom
Published July 09, 2010


<snipped>

The order contained the first publicly released suspicion by Kaine Horman that his wife was connected to Kyron Horman's disappearance.

"I believe respondent is involved in the disappearance of my son Kyron who has been missing since June 4, 2010," Kaine Horman's petition reads. "I also recently learned that respondent attempted to hire someone to murder me. The police have provided me with probable cause to believe the above two statements to be true."

His statement contained no details on how Terri Horman might be involved in the boy's disappearance.

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/07/09/father-missing-oregon-boy-suspects-stepmom/


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2013, 05:54:31 PM
http://www.scribd.com/doc/168622743/Order-Regarding-Depositions-SEPT-16-2013

Page five of this link is the judges order allowing depositions of employees at Fred Meyer store(s).

Just wanted you to be aware so you can amend your timeline.

Happy Thanksgiving!

Thanks Amy's Sister.

Janet


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 08, 2013, 12:32:02 AM
DESIREE AND TONY YOUNG - GRAND JURY

Was Terri subpoenaed to appear before a Grand Jury?  If not ... why not?

Janet

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Stepmom's friends scrutinized as investigators comb through 3,500 tips in Kyron Horman case
August 02, 2010 at 7:52 PM
updated August 03, 2010 at 4:33 PM


<snipped>

On Monday afternoon, nine weeks into the investigation, Kyron's parents -- Kaine Horman and Desiree Young -- and stepdad, Tony Young, spent several hours testifying before a Multnomah County grand jury.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/multnomah_county_shericomb_thr.html




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: cw618 on October 08, 2013, 11:13:05 AM
Quote
Considering attorneys did not subpoena witnesses/employees/security cameras from either Albertsons or the Walker Rd FM ... I have omitted these establishments from the following revised theory encompassing Terri's alleged stops on the morning of June 4, 2010 and ...

Taking into consideration the alleged sighting of a red mustang and white pick up truck on Sauvie Island at 11:00 AM ... I have added two stops at the 2111 Northeast 25th Avenue, Hillsboro Intel Jones Farm.

cw618 ... would you please post the route from Sauvie Island to the Intel Jones Farm campus ... to 24 Hour Fitness.  Thanks.

Janet

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9941.msg1577647#msg1577647

Janet YW, and TY MB for adding blinks link
route from Sauvie Island to the Intel Jones Farm campus ... to 24 Hour Fitness
http://goo.gl/maps/VSMYB

i dug a little into the cell tower, when i put it together ill post

 this convo is b4 the dr p show
Morning Conversation 6/4
Kaine Horman, father of Kyron Horman, talked with Lacey Evans of KXL Radio in Portland, providing an update on the case, and activities that he is involved in
http://www.541radio.com/play_window.php?audioType=Episode&audioId=6405506
http://www.541radio.com/KQEN-Podcasts/17116483


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 08, 2013, 02:08:33 PM

Think about it.  In August, 2010 ... Attorney Peter Bunch's own words mirrors Kaine's allegations from two months earlier.

Janet

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TERRI'S ATTORNEY

Terri Moulton Horman, focus in stepson Kyron Horman's disappearance, shows for divorce hearing
August 25, 2010 at 2:40 PM
updated September 14, 2010 at 10:43 PM


<snipped>

In a legal memo filed today, Bunch argues that Terri Horman can't proceed at this time to protect her rights to property, custody and parenting time because she is a "de facto suspect" in the disappearance of Kyron and at the center of a police investigation.


<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_moulton_horman_appears_i.html

http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/terri-horman-court-memo.pdf


de facto: in reality


KAINE HORMAN

Father of Missing Oregon Boy Suspects Stepmom
Published July 09, 2010


<snipped>

The order contained the first publicly released suspicion by Kaine Horman that his wife was connected to Kyron Horman's disappearance.

"I believe respondent is involved in the disappearance of my son Kyron who has been missing since June 4, 2010," Kaine Horman's petition reads. "I also recently learned that respondent attempted to hire someone to murder me. The police have provided me with probable cause to believe the above two statements to be true."

His statement contained no details on how Terri Horman might be involved in the boy's disappearance.

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/07/09/father-missing-oregon-boy-suspects-stepmom/


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 08, 2013, 02:12:15 PM
cw618

 ::HelloKitty::

Thanks!!

Janet


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 08, 2013, 04:07:56 PM

Think about it.  In August, 2010 ... Attorney Peter Bunch's own words mirrors Kaine's allegations from two months earlier.

Janet

+++++


TERRI'S ATTORNEY

Terri Moulton Horman, focus in stepson Kyron Horman's disappearance, shows for divorce hearing
August 25, 2010 at 2:40 PM
updated September 14, 2010 at 10:43 PM


<snipped>

In a legal memo filed today, Bunch argues that Terri Horman can't proceed at this time to protect her rights to property, custody and parenting time because she is a "de facto suspect" in the disappearance of Kyron and at the center of a police investigation.


<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_moulton_horman_appears_i.html

http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/terri-horman-court-memo.pdf


de facto: in reality


KAINE HORMAN

Father of Missing Oregon Boy Suspects Stepmom
Published July 09, 2010


<snipped>

The order contained the first publicly released suspicion by Kaine Horman that his wife was connected to Kyron Horman's disappearance.

"I believe respondent is involved in the disappearance of my son Kyron who has been missing since June 4, 2010," Kaine Horman's petition reads. "I also recently learned that respondent attempted to hire someone to murder me. The police have provided me with probable cause to believe the above two statements to be true."

His statement contained no details on how Terri Horman might be involved in the boy's disappearance.

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/07/09/father-missing-oregon-boy-suspects-stepmom/


It does not make sense that any judge would delay a divorce proceeding and a custody dispute for three years on "heresay".  Could it be that the judiciary was given assurance by the DA that the words of Peter Bunch and Kaine Horman reflected the truth ... the truth encompassing the "suspect defacto" in a disappearance of a child and ... in a MFH plot against that child's father.

 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 08, 2013, 04:15:25 PM
UPDATE!!

The article in its entirety is a good read.

Janet

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Attorneys for Kaine Horman and Terri Horman continue to argue over who can ask what in depositions
October 08, 2013 at 8:30 AM
updated October 08, 2013 at 12:12


Multnomah County prosecutors want to prevent Terri Moulton Horman's lawyers from questioning her estranged husband Kaine Horman about any information law enforcement provided to him or what they may have asked him regarding the events surrounding his son Kyron's 2010 disappearance.

Terri Horman's lawyers want to question Kaine Horman as part of the estranged couple's divorce and child custody proceeding.

In turn, Terri Horman's lawyers are asking a judge to limit the scope of questions that Terri Horman should be required to answer at a deposition in the pending divorce case, arguing that to do so would violate her Fifth Amendment rights.

<snipped>

Read more:
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/10/attorneys_for_kaine_horman_and.html
 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 08, 2013, 07:43:47 PM
Flashback

Think about it.  ONE DAY following the disappearance of Kyron ... Terri is reading the blogs as well as responding.  THREE DAYS LATER Terri posts on Facebook that she will be "hitting the gym" the next day.  THREE WEEKS following Kyron going missing and FOUR DAYS after Kaine left the home with Kiara ... Terri is sexting with Michael Cook ... Kaine's high school friend whom Terri had only recently met.  What is wrong with this picture?

ONE DAY following Kyron going missing Terri's timeline appears to be all over the place.  She claims to have left the school at 9:00 AM and then claims she has a FM receipt affirming she was seven miles away at 9:12 AM.  No mention of Albertsons and Magic Cleaners in her stops that morning.

Janet

+++++

TERRI HORMAN - IN HER OWN WORDS

Terri Horman e-mails: 'They are blaming me'
Story Published: Aug 9, 2010 at 11:14 PM PDT
Story Updated: Aug 10, 2010 at 1:09 PM PDT

 
PORTLAND, Ore. - Long before the alleged murder-for-hire plot and sexting affairs, it seems Terri Moulton Horman knew suspicions settled on her, according to e-mails written by Horman and obtained by KATU News.

“They are blaming me in the blogs. I just want to scream,” she wrote in one e-mail to a KATU News source the day after her stepson, Kyron Horman vanished from Skyline School during a science fair.  Investigators say Terri Horman was the last person to see Kyron.

“The teacher thought I said I was going to take Kyron with Kitty for a doctor’s appt.,” she wrote on June 5, 2010. “I said I was going to look at other exhibits - how do you mess that up? His coat and backpack were still at school. I left the school at 9 and he was seen with a man ‘chaperone’ and 2 girls after I left. There were no men on the chaperone list. That and it was highly chaotic - had to been 300 people running around - no coordination ...”

The reference to the doctor visit not mentioned again in a follow-up e-mail sent later that day:

"I didn't just drop him off, I spent time with him, took pictures and he was in safe hands I thought as I watched him walk down the hall.

“Kids saw him after I left. Teacher put him as absent at 10am. Someplace between 9-10 is when we think it happened.

"I have a receipt showing I was checking out at Fred Meyer 7 miles away at 9:12am. I went to another FM looking for meds for Kitty they didn't have at the first FM. Then I was trying to get Kitty to sleep in the truck for a few minutes, but no go, so off to the gym at 11:20. Out at 12:20. Home at 12:45. Kaine home at 2. Bus at 3:30. That was my day - they keep asking me. Now on my 5th interview with them ..."

Horman went on to talk about Kyron’s recent behavior.

"The past 2 weeks he's been acting really weird. Staring off into space. Can't remember anything. Walks into the room and then back out, stopping to stare and then move on. The doc thinks that he is having mini seizures and I made an appt on Thursday for next Friday to have him checked out."

That contradicts what multiple sources have told KATU News. In the days before the science fair, Terri informed Kyron’s teacher he had the appointment that day, June 4, which is why no one expected he would be in class and was marked absent.

<snipped>

http://www.katu.com/news/local/100323934.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 09, 2013, 12:56:30 PM
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Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 09, 2013, 02:19:42 PM
Considering Terri's attorney has made it clear that their client will plead The Fifth and Kaine is prevented from exposing details or calling witnesses in regards to the circumstantial investigative evidence that both he and Desiree have been privy to ... circumstantial investigative evidence encompassing the probable involvement of the stepmother in Kyron's disappearance as well of the MFH plot ... circumstantial investigative evidence if revealed would compromised an eventual trial ... how is Kaine going to continue to convince the court that it is not in the best interest of Kiara to have contact with her mother?

When the divorce and custody filings are considered ... it makes sense that after three years there must be stuff happening behind the scenes applying pressure on DA Don Rees to make a decision whether or no indict Terri.

Janet

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Attorneys for Kaine Horman and Terri Horman continue to argue over who can ask what in depositions
October 08, 2013 at 8:30 AM, updated October 08, 2013 at 1:47 PM


<snipped>

Chief Deputy District Attorney Don Rees has filed a separate motion to limit Terri Horman's deposition of Kaine Horman.

Because Kaine Horman is the victim of "an apparent crime against his own child,'' he has a legal right to information about his missing son, Rees argued.

"The fact that law enforcement has necessarily conveyed this information to Kaine Horman does not waive the longstanding and well-recognized privileged and confidential nature of information relating to a pending criminal investigation,'' Rees wrote.

Kaine Horman should be prohibited from answering any questions about law enforcement methods used to investigate his son's disappearance, physical evidence gathered, witness statements or questions asked by law enforcement, or whether he has testified before a grand jury, Rees wrote.

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/10/attorneys_for_kaine_horman_and.html

http://www.scribd.com/doc/174592563/Horman-Divorce-Court-Docs



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 09, 2013, 02:34:45 PM
Kaine Horman wants Kyron records from Terri
Posted on October 9, 2013 at 6:07 AM
Updated today at 11:06 AM

http://www.kgw.com/news/Legal-fight-in-Horman-divorce-heats-up--226998691.html


Terri Horman wants DA to stay out of her divorce with Kyron's father, Kaine
Posted on October 9, 2013 at 11:05 AM
Updated today at 11:11 AM

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Terri-Horman-wants-DA-to-stay-out-of-her-divorce-with-Kaine-227096271.html

http://www.scribd.com/doc/174822675/Horman-Divorce-Docs-10-9-13



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 09, 2013, 03:01:46 PM
Amys Sister ... the following theory regarding the alleged happenings encompassing Terri's movements on the morning of June 4, 2010 has been revised to incorporate both FM stores.  Thanks Amys Sister!

cw618 ... the following theory encompassing the alleged happenings encompassing Terri's movements on the morning of June 4, 2010 has been revised to incorporate driving  times based on your research.  If the internet chatter regarding the sighting of Terri's red Mustang on Sauvie Island does not reflect the truth ... I think it would take away substantially from the "driving" times when it is considered two stops to Intel could be eliminated.  My DIL ended up taking over the task of incorporating driving times from "too busy" son.  I knew she was a keeper from the get go.  Thanks cw618!

Janet

++++++

The disappearance of Kyron - A Theory

Friday, June 4, 2010


07:50 AM - (Horman Residence, 15725 NW Sheltered Nook Rd, Portland, OR 97231)  Terri leaves home with Kyron and Kiara in Kaine's pick up truck.  Terri claims that she requires truck to bring Kyron's science project home from school.  Terri picks up DeDe somewhere close to Skyline Elementary. DeDe's truck is parked out of sight.

08:00 AM - (Skyline Elementary, 11536 NW Skyline Blvd, Portland, OR 97231)  Terri, Kiara, Kyron and DeDe arrive at Skyline Elementary.  Terri parks in front of the school.  DeDe and maybe Kiara stay with the vehicle.  Terri and Kyron head directly to the classroom where a photo of Kyron was taken with his science project.  Terri leaves behind Kyron's  jacket and backpack on his desk.  DeDe moves Terri's pick up truck from the front of the school to a back exit?

08:30 AM -  After leaving his classroom Kyron is whisked out of school by Terri unnoticed through a downstairs exit to the waiting vehicle ... no exhibits. Terri drives DeDe a short distance to pick up her vehicle.

Driving Time: 10 minutes

08:45 AM - (40 Acre Property, 13000 Northwest Old Germantown Road, Portland, OR)  Terri follows DeDe to her place of employment. DeDe parks her vehicle in a visible location and makes her presence known.  DeDe leaves property unnoticed  in Terri's vehicle.

Driving Time: 20 minutes

09:00 - (Fred Meyers, 15995 SW Walker Rd, Beaverton, OR 97006)  Terri claims to have a 9:12 AM timed receipt.

00:00 - (Magic Cleaners, 16035 SW Walker Rd  Beaverton, OR 97006)  Store employee reveals to media that Terri was in the establishment alone.  No Kiara.  DeDe, Kiara and Kyron wait in the pick up.

Driving Time: 10 minutes

00:00 AM - (Fred Myers, 11425 SW Beaverton-Hillsdale Hwy  Beaverton, OR 97005)  Terri has an encounter with Andrea Leckey allegedly between 9:30 AM and 10:00 AM while holding Kiara.  Kyron and DeDe wait in the pick up.

Driving Time: 20 minutes

00:00 AM - (Intel Jones Farm Campus - 2111 NE 25th Avenue, Hillsboro) Red Mustang is taken from the parking lot.  Terri drives one vehicle.  DeDe drives the other.

Driving Time: 40 minutes

11:00 AM - (Sauvie Island Bridge) Red Mustang and White pick up truck driving erratically are reported to authorities.  Records reveal pings from Terri's cell phone that originate on Sauvie Island.  Kyron is handed over to Kaine's former friend or DeDe's former child advocate boyfriend or ...

Driving time: 40 minutes

00:00 AM - (Intel Jones Farm Campus - 2111 NE 25th Avenue, Hillsboro)  Red Mustang is returned to parking lot.

Driving time: 15 minutes

00:00 AM - (24 Hour Fitness, 1265 NW Waterhouse Avenue Beaverton, OR 97006)  Terri arrives at Gym.  DeDe remains in the vehicle.  Where's Kiara?

Driving Time: 20 minutes

00:00 PM - (40 Acre Property, 13000 Northwest Old Germantown Road, Portland, OR) Terri drives DeDe back to 40 acre property where DeDe makes her presence known.  When questioned regarding her absence ... DeDe insists she had been on the property all morning.

Driving Time: 15 minutes

01:20 PM - (Horman Residence - 15725 NW Sheltered Nook Rd, Portland, OR 97231) Terri returns home with Kiara.  Terri emails photo of Kyron taken earlier to contacts.

02:00 PM - Terri does not attend the talent show at Skyline ... the talent show that Kyron is a scheduled participant.  Terri does not bring home Kyron's science project?


TIME FRAME: 8:30 AM - 1:15 PM - 3 HOURS 45 MINUTES

ACCUMULATED DRIVING TIME - APPROXIMATELY 3 HOURS 10 MINUTES



I have accumulated backup articles, documents, transcripts and videos that are available upon request.

     


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 09, 2013, 03:36:39 PM
Why would Terri Horman not reveal the truth regarding her whereabouts on the morning Kyron went missing?  Considering Terri is not clarifying and ... investigators are not talking ... one can only speculate for the most part based media "sources".

Janet

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Terri Horman agrees to leave house
Posted on July 8, 2010 at 5:53 PM
Updated Monday, Jul 12 at 12:44 PM


<snipped>

Sources also told KGW Saturday that  investigators have been creating a detailed timeline of what Terri did the day her stepson disappeared.
 
While Terri Horman has said she was in certain locations, investigators have placed her elsewhere using bank card records and cell phone pings, according to sources.
 
<snipped>

http://www.kgw.com/news/Desiree-Young-on-Terri-Moulton-I-know-shes-lying-98075814.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 09, 2013, 04:24:20 PM
REMINDER

Attorneys for Kaine Horman and Terri Horman continue to argue over who can ask what in depositions
October 08, 2013 at 8:30 AM, updated October 08, 2013 at 1:47 PM


<snipped>

A hearing has been scheduled for 9 a.m. Thursday.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/10/attorneys_for_kaine_horman_and.html

http://www.scribd.com/doc/174592563/Horman-Divorce-Court-Docs



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 09, 2013, 04:30:44 PM
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Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 09, 2013, 04:54:02 PM
Plural Investigations?

Could the silence from LE have everything to do with Kyron's well-being if he is alive?  Could the hold-up encompassing an indictment have everything to do with plural investigations ... plural investigations that are gathering respective evidence pertaining to a chain of characters who may have participated in happenings encompassing the disappearance of Kyron?  Could it be that the last link of the chain will reveal for certainty whether Kyron is being held in a safe environment or is deceased?

Janet



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 09, 2013, 07:29:10 PM
I could be wrong but ... could it be that the three year legal complications between the Horman divorce/custody filings and the Kyron Horman investigations and ... then the uncompromising words in DA Don Ree's motion which was released today ... imply that an indictment or indictments may be forthcoming sooner than later?

Janet

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Sheriff to create new task force to refocus Kyron investigation
Published: Sep 15, 2010 at 4:49 PM PDT
Last Updated: Sep 15, 2010 at 11:21 PM PDT


PORTLAND, Ore. - A new task force will be formed to focus the investigation into the disappearance of 8-year-old Kyron Horman to specific areas and better use police resources, Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton said Wednesday.

<snipped>

When asked whether people would be shocked when this case comes to its conclusion Staton said, “I think that there will be things that come out of this investigation that will surprise you. That you’ll think about later on after it’s over. These are things I will tell you, when you ask me about the stresses that my staff is under and the other detectives and agency representatives are under, is that we have a knowledge of things that we don’t want to know about. ... "We have knowledge of things we wished we didn't."

<snipped>

http://www.katu.com/news/local/103005759.htm


Luke 8:17 - "For all that is secret will eventually be brought into the open, and everything that is concealed will be brought to light and made known to all."


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 10, 2013, 12:28:30 PM
REMINDER

Attorneys for Kaine Horman and Terri Horman continue to argue over who can ask what in depositions
October 08, 2013 at 8:30 AM, updated October 08, 2013 at 1:47 PM


<snipped>

A hearing has been scheduled for 9 a.m. Thursday.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/10/attorneys_for_kaine_horman_and.html

http://www.scribd.com/doc/174592563/Horman-Divorce-Court-Docs




Terri Horman, Kaine Horman both in court for divorce hearing
Posted: Oct 10, 2013 8:43 AM PDT
Updated: Oct 10, 2013 9:15 AM PDT


PORTLAND, OR (KPTV) -
Evidence surrounding the disappearance of Kyron Horman is expected to take center stage at a divorce hearing Thursday for his father and stepmother.

Judge Henry Kantor will weigh what evidence or deposition concerning the criminal investigation into Kyron Horman's disappearance is relevant to the divorce case.

At the previous hearing, Terri Horman's attorney claimed he can prove his client was not the last person to see Kyron at Skyline School.

Now, Kaine Horman's attorney is demanding access to any documents that led Terri's legal team to make that assertion.

Both Kaine Horman and Terri Horman potentially face deposition.

They are both in attendance at the hearing, which started at 9 a.m.

<snipped>

http://www.kptv.com/story/23657846/terri-horman-divorce-case-back-in-court-today






Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 10, 2013, 12:42:21 PM
Considering ... the words of of Terri's attorney referring to his client as a "suspect defacto" in the disappearance of Kyron and ... considering the alleged MFH plot against Kaine ... I can appreciate that the safety of Kiara has everything to do with the custody dispute but ... why does the criminal investigation have anything to do with the divorce?

I may have missed it but ... is either Terri or Kaine contesting the divorce.

Janet


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 10, 2013, 01:45:52 PM
I just received an email in response to my question regarding the connection between the criminal investigation and the divorce proceedings.  A perspective.  Kaine claims he had been informed by investigators that Terri was behind the disappearance of Kyron as well as MFH plot against him.  It makes sense that Kaine would not want Terri to get a dime in a divorce settlement.

Any updates forthcoming from this morning's divorce hearing ... this morning's divorce hearing that began almost two hours ago?

Janet
10:50 AM PT

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TERRI HORMAN

Terri Horman wants DA to stay out of divorce
Posted on October 9, 2013 at 11:05 AM
Updated yesterday at 11:41 AM


PORTLAND -- Kyron Horman's stepmother wants the Multnomah County District Attorney's office to stay out of her divorce case.

In a recent court filing obtained by KGW, an attorney for Terri Horman said the prosecutors should not intervene.

<snipped>

http://www.kgw.com/news/Terri-Horman-wants-DA-to-stay-out-of-her-divorce-with-Kaine-227096271.html


DA DON REES

Attorneys for Kaine Horman and Terri Horman continue to argue over who can ask what in depositions
October 08, 2013 at 8:30 AM, updated October 08, 2013 at 1:47 PM


<snipped>

Chief Deputy District Attorney Don Rees has filed a separate motion to limit Terri Horman's deposition of Kaine Horman.

Because Kaine Horman is the victim of "an apparent crime against his own child,'' he has a legal right to information about his missing son, Rees argued.

"The fact that law enforcement has necessarily conveyed this information to Kaine Horman does not waive the longstanding and well-recognized privileged and confidential nature of information relating to a pending criminal investigation,'' Rees wrote.

Kaine Horman should be prohibited from answering any questions about law enforcement methods used to investigate his son's disappearance, physical evidence gathered, witness statements or questions asked by law enforcement, or whether he has testified before a grand jury, Rees wrote.

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/10/attorneys_for_kaine_horman_and.html

http://www.scribd.com/doc/174592563/Horman-Divorce-Court-Docs


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: cw618 on October 10, 2013, 07:10:02 PM
Quote
Kaine Horman should be prohibited from answering any questions about law enforcement methods used to investigate his son's disappearance, physical evidence gathered, witness statements or questions asked by law enforcement, or whether he has testified before a grand jury, Rees wrote.

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/10/attorneys_for_kaine_horman_and.html
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JMO,i think LE,prob shared info from the cell towers data, that they are prob still investigating
as mentioned in this old article,and the 60 POIs, could be LE have not cleared all of them, and
those 60 and prob more arent even aware, they are or have been investigated
JMO
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Quote
By Maxine Bernstein | mbernstein@oregonian.com
Email the author | Follow on Twitter
on June 03, 2011 at 5:00 AM, updated June 01, 2012 at 6:26 PM
Multnomah County Sheriff's detectives, FBI agents and up to four state justice department investigators have spent the past six months examining at least 60 persons of interest in the disappearance of Kyron from his school.
Their multi-agency task force has looked at registered sex offenders in the area of the school, the Horman home, visitors to the school that day, and others who may have made cell phone calls that were routed to cell phone towers near the school, the Horman home and Sauvie Island the morning he disappeared
 ::snipping3::
During the investigation of the other potential persons of interest, the team realized that some evidence -- namely phone records and computer log-on information from Skyline School the day Kyron went missing -- were not kept by the school district as the sheriff's office didn't request the preservation of those records.

Staton and Gates said they did obtain other information from the school via a search warrant submitted to Superintendent Carole Smith, but could not comment on the school phone records or computer data being preserved.
 ::snipping3::
There are still "millions of data points" that need to be examined. Those points come from all the cell phone calls picked up by 11 towers within a certain radius of Skyline School -- what investigators call "ground zero" -- during the six-hour span on June 4, 2010, when Kyron's disappearance went unreported.

The sheriff said the inquiry will now "transition toward a more technical focus," starting July 1, such as examining all the cell-phone tower data and computer hard drives seized from search warrants
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/06/kyron_horman_task_force_to_dis.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 10, 2013, 07:10:40 PM
The article in its entirety is a good read.

Janet

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Terri & Kaine Horman battle it out in divorce court
Posted on October 10, 2013 at 8:45 AM
Updated today at 3:51 PM


PORTLAND – Terri Horman, the stepmother of missing Portland boy Kyron Horman, made her first court appearance in nearly three years Thursday, in a divorce hearing with her estranged husband Kaine Horman.

Terri was silent throughout the hearing, watching the attorneys and the judge. Kaine focused on taking notes and made no eye contact with his estranged wife.

The hearing focused on key issues including a psychological exam and deposition for Terri, documents that Kaine's attorneys want, and visitation for the couple's 4-year-old daughter Kiara.

<snipped>

http://www.kgw.com/news/Hearing-today-in-Horman-divorce-case-227238101.html


(http://imgick.oregonlive.com/home/olive-media/pgmain/img/oregonian/photo/2013/10/-ca5da4bd8787d33c.JPG)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: cw618 on October 10, 2013, 07:12:45 PM
divorce hearing today 10/9/2013

Kyle Iboshi@KyleIboshi
Judge rules DA cannot be present at Kaine Horman deposition in divorce case
https://twitter.com/KyleIboshi (https://twitter.com/KyleIboshi)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: cw618 on October 10, 2013, 07:15:12 PM
Judge says Terri Horman must show up for deposition, but doesn't have to answer questions
By Maxine Bernstein | mbernstein@oregonian.com
Email the author | Follow on Twitter
on October 10, 2013 at 11:59 AM, updated October 10, 2013 at 1:58
slideshow @ link
 ::snipping3::
Judge Henry Kantor said he will order that psychological evaluations be done, but he will not force Terri Horman to participate or answer questions from the psychologist evaluating whether she should be allowed to have parenting time with her daughter, Kiara, now 4.

Should Terri Horman agree to answer the evaluator's questions, then her attorneys should be present to make sure her interests are protected, Kantor ruled.
 ::snipping3::
The judge also denied Kaine Horman's motion to compel Terri Horman to produce financial documents and other correspondences she had or posted on social media or elsewhere regarding Kyron's disappearance. Kantor said Kaine Horman's lawyers can obtain the documents, if possible, through third parties
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/10/judge_says_terri_horman_must_s.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 10, 2013, 07:20:05 PM
This article is slso a good read in its entirety.

Janet

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Judge says Terri Horman must show up for deposition but doesn't have to answer questions
on October 10, 2013 at 11:59 AM


<snipped>

Judge Henry Kantor said he will order that psychological evaluations be done, but he will not force Terri Horman to participate or answer questions from the psychologist evaluating whether she should be allowed to have parenting time with her daughter, Kiara, now 4.

Should Terri Horman agree to answer the evaluator's questions, then her attorneys should be present to make sure her interests are protected, Kantor ruled.

The judge ordered that the couple's shared marital assets be liquidated to cover the costs of the evaluations.

Further, the judge ruled that Terri Horman be required to appear for a deposition taken by Kaine Horman's lawyers. Kantor said Horman can answer any questions she chooses to. He said he recognizes that she likely will assert her Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination.

"I'm going to permit you to ask the questions,'' Kantor said, speaking to Kaine Horman's lawyer, Brett Engel. "She'll be placed under oath, and she's going to answer what she's going to answer ... so we're going to have a record."

<snipped>

The judge also denied Kaine Horman's motion to compel Terri Horman to produce financial documents and other correspondences she had or posted on social media or elsewhere regarding Kyron's disappearance. Kantor said Kaine Horman's lawyers can obtain the documents, if possible, through third parties.

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/10/judge_says_terri_horman_must_s.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 11, 2013, 11:40:58 AM
Bottom Line

Kaine Horman is between a rock and a hard place in his efforts to protect Kiara.

The investigative details Kaine is privy to regarding the circumstantial evidence that Terri is behind the disappearance of his son as well as a MFH plot cannot be revealed.  DA Don Rees claims that release of those details would compromise an ongoing investigation.

Terri's attorney has stated that she will plead The Fifth when questioned by Kaine's attorney during deposition.

Does Kiara have rights?  Does Kiara have legal representation?

Janet

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Parental rights vs. child safety: Should boys have been visiting Josh Powell? (+video)
February 6, 2012


<snipped>

Joy Silberg, a psychologist who specializes in child protection and abuse cases, says courts often place more value on parental rights than a child’s safety – or see them as equal concerns, when in her view, the parental rights should be secondary

<snipped>

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2012/0206/Parental-rights-vs.-child-safety-Should-boys-have-been-visiting-Josh-Powell-video



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 11, 2013, 11:47:13 AM
Food for Thought

Attorneys for Kaine Horman and Terri Horman continue to argue over who can ask what in depositions
October 08, 2013 at 8:30 AM
updated October 08, 2013 at 1:47


<snipped>

In a footnote, Bunch also alerted the court that Kaine Horman contends "that he should not be subject to a deposition'' if the court doesn't compel Terri Horman's deposition.

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/10/attorneys_for_kaine_horman_and.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 11, 2013, 12:05:22 PM


Think about it.  Less than three week following the disappearance  of her stepson and four days following Kaine's departure with Kiara ... Terri Horman was sexting with a friend of her husband ... a friend that she just recently met.  In my world Terri's behaviour reflects a mother whose thought process must be evaluated.

I am hoping an indictment comes down against Terri prior to the court's ruling pertaining to custody of Kiara.

Janet

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Kyron's father wants step-mom Terri to leave home sooner
Posted on July 14, 2010 at 10:48 AM
Updated Thursday, Jul 15 at 6:09 PM


<snipped>

The motion also states police told Kaine that Terri exchanged hundred of text messages with Cook and several photographs of Terri Horman "in various stages of undress and graphic sexual activity." According to the filing, the "sexual nature" of the relationship between Cook and Terri Horman began on or about June 30, four days after Kaine Horman moved out of the family's Northwest Portland home.

Cook was a high school classmate of Kaine Horman, and also helped organize the first vigil for missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman.

Monday's court filing also stated that police had told Kaine that Terri's "sexual overtures to Mr. Cook resemble those made to the man Respondent (Terri Horman) attempted to hire to murder Petitioner (Kaine).

In an interview with KGW on Monday, Cook admitted that he had used his cell phone to photograph the sealed restraining order, and that he had engaged in "sexting" with Terri Horman.

Cook also admitted having "inappropriate communication" with Terri Horman but he denied having sexual relations with her. "I never slept with her," Cook told KGW.

Cook did admit that he had Googled Kaine Horman's new address on his cell phone.

<snipped>

http://www.kgw.com/news/Court-doc-Kaine-Terri-Horman-kyron-horman-contempt-sexting-98270654.html


(http://images.bimedia.net/images/michael_cook.jpg)



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 11, 2013, 12:55:07 PM
Kaine has put two and two together in regards to what investigators has shared with him.  Who can blame him for fearing for his life?  Who can blame him for preventing Terri from having contact with Kiara.  The writing is on the wall.

I believe that Kaine is a cheating control freak but ...

Janet

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Kyron's father wants step-mom Terri to leave home sooner
Posted on July 14, 2010 at 10:48 AM
Updated Thursday, Jul 15 at 6:09 PM


<snipped>

The filing alleges that Terri took the restraining order to Cook's home, where she showed him the document and allowed him to take cell phone photos of the document, which included Kaine's new address. He shared information from the restraining order with at least two other unidentified people, according to the court document.

The filing also stated that a police search of Cook's phone found that Cook had done a Google search to map Kaine's new address but that he told police he did not go to the residence.

<snipped>

http://www.kgw.com/news/Court-doc-Kaine-Terri-Horman-kyron-horman-contempt-sexting-98270654.html


Kyron's father wants step-mom Terri to leave home sooner
Posted on July 14, 2010 at 10:48 AM
Updated Thursday, Jul 15 at 6:09 PM


<snipped>
 
Similarities to Murder-for-Hire plot

Monday's court filing also stated that police had told Kaine that Terri's "sexual overtures to Mr. Cook resemble those made to the man Respondent (Terri Horman) attempted to hire to murder Petitioner (Kaine)."

In the original restraining order filing, Kaine stated that police had told him Terri had tried to hire a landscaper to kill Kaine

<snipped>

http://www.kgw.com/news/Court-doc-Kaine-Terri-Horman-kyron-horman-contempt-sexting-98270654.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 11, 2013, 12:57:30 PM
Raw: Terri Horman in Portland for divorce court
Posted on October 10, 2013 at 1:45 PM


http://www.kgw.com/video/featured-videos/Raw-Terri-Horman-in-Portland-for-divorce-court-227283641.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 11, 2013, 01:29:42 PM


Kyron Horman's parents appear on Dr. Phil
Posted on September 17, 2013 at 3:28 PM
Updated Wednesday, Sep 18 at 11:08 AM


<snipped>

During the interview, Desiree accused Kaine of having an affair during their marriage. She said that his continued infidelity may have been the reason Terri might have committed a crime.

“I said, Kaine, a perfect stranger did not walk into the school and take my son. I know that you guys are having marital problems,” she said.

Young turned to Dr. Phil. “I believe that he was having an affair on Terri,” she said. “I told Kaine that when you are married to the devil, and you give her a reason to be pissed off, all of your sins are going to come back and here we are in this situation.”

<snipped>

http://www.kgw.com/news/Kyron-Hormans-parents-confront-each-other-on-Dr-Phil-224146021.html


(http://www.drphil.com/assets/3/32c99a255f282dc5c50b109371dd7ae3.jpg)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 11, 2013, 01:30:27 PM
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(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQEuA0QFNLAXeT2gH7idAN21Wp9DGzZOD_PIiBLxibnBO8UPXm4Bw)



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 11, 2013, 08:33:45 PM
Amys Sister ... the following theory regarding the alleged happenings encompassing Terri's movements on the morning of June 4, 2010 has been revised to incorporate both FM stores.  Thanks Amys Sister!

cw618 ... the following theory encompassing the alleged happenings encompassing Terri's movements on the morning of June 4, 2010 has been revised to incorporate driving  times based on your research.  If the internet chatter regarding the sighting of Terri's red Mustang on Sauvie Island does not reflect the truth ... I think it would take away substantially from the "driving" times when it is considered two stops to Intel could be eliminated.  My DIL ended up taking over the task of incorporating driving times from "too busy" son.  I knew she was a keeper from the get go.  Thanks cw618!

Janet

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The disappearance of Kyron - A Theory

Friday, June 4, 2010


<snipped>

11:00 AM - (Sauvie Island Bridge) Red Mustang and White pick up truck driving erratically are reported to authorities.  Records reveal pings from Terri's cell phone that originate on Sauvie Island.  Kyron is handed over to Kaine's former friend or DeDe's former child advocate boyfriend or ...

<snipped>

     

ICE!!!

In the process of elimination was DeDe Spicher's child advocate former boyfriend interrogated prior to being ruled out as a person of interest ... DeDe Spicher's child advocate former boyfriend who has connections to "Friends of Pimpollo" children's ministry in Mexico ... DeDe Spicher's child advocate former boyfriend whose father is currently in prison on child pornography charges?

Janet

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Sheriff's office: Progress continues in search for missing Kyron Horman
on July 23, 2010 at 11:41 PM
updated July 26, 2010 at 6:25 AM


<snipped>

Here is the text of the Q&A with Sheriff Staton:

<snipped>

Q: Can we have the list of law enforcement agencies that have assisted in the Kyron Horman investigation?

Gresham Police, Fairview Police, Troutdale Police, Portland Police, Port of Portland Police, Clackamas County Sheriff's Office, Clackamas County DA MCT, Multnomah County DA's investigators, Washington County District Attorney's Office, Washington County Sheriff's Office, Gladstone Police, Oregon City Police, Milwaukie Police, Canby Police, Lake Oswego Police, West Linn Police, Vancouver Police, Hillsboro Police, Beaverton Police, FBI, DEA, ICE, Secret Service, DOD Defense Criminal Investigative Services, Oregon DOJ, Oregon State Police.

This list does not include search and rescue resources.

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/mcso_progress_continues_in_sea.htm


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 11, 2013, 08:46:21 PM
While deposing DeDe in connection to the lawsuit filed by Desiree  ... what dots was the attorney attempting to connect in regards to DeDe's former boyfriend?

Janet

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DeDe Spicher's former boyfriend describes Terri Moulton Horman's friend as a 'high-energy, dynamic' person who changed dramatically
August 19, 2010


<snipped>

.... has volunteered as a child's advocate in Multnomah County for more than a decade, said he dated Spicher for about 10 months, and they had even talked of marriage, but their relationship fell apart in early August 2009

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/dede_spichers_former_boyfriend.html

http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/jasonw.pdf


DeDe Spicher Lawsuit Desposition - October - October 5, 2012
Pages 16 & 17
http://www.katu.com/news/98654424.html



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 11, 2013, 09:54:34 PM
SELF- EDIT

DeDe Spicher Lawsuit Desposition - October - October 5, 2012
Pages 16 & 17
http://www.katu.com/news/98654424.html

s/b

DeDe Spicher - Lawsuit Desposition - October 5, 2012
Pages 16 & 17
http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/DeDe-watermarked-1.pdf


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 12, 2013, 01:35:32 PM
Layered Investigation?

Could the over three year hold-up encompassing indictments has everything to do with a layered investigation ... a layered investigation that is gathering respective evidence pertaining to a small chain of characters who have not yet been ruled out as persons of interest in happenings encompassing the disappearance of Kyron?

Could it be the investigative conflicts in the latest court proceedings encompassing the custody of Kiara and the divorce of Kaine and Terri are putting pressure on the DA bring down bring down indictments sooner than later?

Think about it.  DA Don Rees definitely indicates in the following statement that stuff is happening behind the scenes ... stuff if released would compromise the Kyron Horman case.
 
Janet

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Attorneys for Kaine Horman and Terri Horman continue to argue over who can ask what in depositions
October 08, 2013 at 8:30 AM, updated October 08, 2013 at 1:47 PM

<snipped>

Chief Deputy District Attorney Don Rees has filed a separate motion to limit Terri Horman's deposition of Kaine Horman.

Because Kaine Horman is the victim of "an apparent crime against his own child,'' he has a legal right to information about his missing son, Rees argued.

"The fact that law enforcement has necessarily conveyed this information to Kaine Horman does not waive the longstanding and well-recognized privileged and confidential nature of information relating to a pending criminal investigation,'' Rees wrote.

Kaine Horman should be prohibited from answering any questions about law enforcement methods used to investigate his son's disappearance, physical evidence gathered, witness statements or questions asked by law enforcement, or whether he has testified before a grand jury, Rees wrote.

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/10/attorneys_for_kaine_horman_and.html

http://www.scribd.com/doc/174592563/Horman-Divorce-Court-Docs


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 14, 2013, 01:26:40 PM
If indictments pertaining to those who may be have been participants in the happenings encompassing the disappearance of Kyron are not imminent ... could it be there will be further delays in the final outcome of both the respective custody and divorce motions filed by Terri and Kaine?

Could it be that that after more than three years those within the Kyron Horman investigation are feeling the pressure?  After all ... the well-being of a little girl named Kiara is in the balance IF the details of what was shared with Kaine and Desiree reflect the truth but must remain confidential while the investigation is ongoing.

Janet

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Kyron Horman: Missing boy's father wants divorce from Terri Horman delayed
February 04, 2013 at 10:16 AM
updated July 30, 2013 at 11:43 AM


On Monday morning, Kaine Horman's attorneys Brett Engel and Laura Rackner asked a Multnomah County judge to delay his petition to divorce his estranged wife, Terri Moulton Horman, for another six months.

<snipped>

Engel questioned how the court could decide whether it's in the best interest of the couple's daughter Kiara, now 4, to have contact with her mother, without knowing whether Terri Horman was responsible for Kyron's disappearance.

"If (Kaine) believes this woman is responsible for Kyron's disappearance, do you think he'll feel good about providing spousal support?" Engel asked in court.

<snipped>

Kaine Horman had filed for divorce June 28, 2010, two days after investigators informed him that his wife had discussed with a landscaper an alleged murder-for-hire plot to kill him about six months before Kyron's disappearance

Kaine Horman left their rural Northwest Portland home immediately, but soon after forced his estranged wife out of the home. Kaine returned to the Northwest Portland house, with sole custody of their younger daughter.

Kiara has had no contact with her mother since.

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/02/kyron_horman_missing_boys_fath.html


Father of Missing Oregon Boy Suspects Stepmom
Published July 09, 2010


<snipped>

The order contained the first publicly released suspicion by Kaine Horman that his wife was connected to Kyron Horman's disappearance.

"I believe respondent is involved in the disappearance of my son Kyron who has been missing since June 4, 2010," Kaine Horman's petition reads. "I also recently learned that respondent attempted to hire someone to murder me. The police have provided me with probable cause to believe the above two statements to be true."

His statement contained no details on how Terri Horman might be involved in the boy's disappearance.

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/07/09/father-missing-oregon-boy-suspects-stepmom/


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 14, 2013, 02:31:35 PM
What circumstantial investigative info was Larry Moulton and attorney Stavley privy to that led them to believe early on  that Terri's arrest may be forthcoming?  It is hard to believe this attorney and former detective came with their respective speculation with a credible foundation.

Janet

++++++

LARRY MOULTON

The search for Kyron: Terri Horman's father talks to 'People'
Published: Jun 27, 2010 at 5:42 PM PDT
Last Updated: Jun 27, 2010 at 6:06 PM PDT


Kyron is on the cover of "People" magazine for the second week in a row. This time, however, the story centers on Kyron's stepmom, Terri Horman. Her father, Larry Moulton, spoke to "People" about the investigation. In this issue, he says investigators are taking a closer look at Terri and answers whether he thinks she'll be arrested.

Under a portrait of the family is a quote from Terri Horman's father: "She's trying to be as cooperative as she can ... I guess they think she's going to break."

The stepmother's dad, Larry Moulton, goes on to say investigators have questioned her six hours at a time, several times; have given her two polygraphs; and have taken her truck away twice.

<snipped>

But when People's interviewer asked if Moulton thinks his daughter will be arrested, the article quotes him with this response: "I think it's 50-50."

http://www.katu.com/news/local/97276254.html


ATTORNEY STAVLEY

Attorney: Spicher shared Terri Horman emails, texts with cops
July 26, 2010


PORTLAND, Ore. -- DeDe Spicher, identified as a close friend of Terri Moulton-Horman, was called before a grand jury Monday in Multnomah County as part of the ongoing investigation into the disappearance of her step-son Kyron Horman.

Spicher's attorney told NBC Dateline that he would be "surprised" if Terri was not arrested in the case.

Grand jury proceedings are not open to the public or the media. However, Spicer's attorney did confirm that his client was subpoenaed to testify but did not give any testimony under oath Monday. He said she could be called back to testify in the future. ....

Stavley also told NBC Dateline Monday that Spicher had been, and planned to keep, cooperating with investigators. He said that she had already shared text messages and emails sent to and from Terri with detectives.

"I would be, frankly, surprised if Terri Horman did not eventually face charges in this case," Stavley said. "I'd be surprised if the indictment didn't come down."

<snipped>

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/DeDe-Spicher-testifies-before-grand-jury-99252004-kyron-horman-missing-portland.html



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 14, 2013, 02:34:50 PM
SELF-EDIT - MY LAST POST

with a credible foundation

s/b

without
a credible foundation


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 14, 2013, 02:37:32 PM
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS5UemGcUWBJqPEkbSuBx2zqFo1vFSTgiAp3toiC61OygFidAmJSg)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 14, 2013, 09:47:27 PM
Could it be that the deception encompassing Terri's whereabouts on the morning of June 4, 2010 ... the deception revealed through cell phone records ... was the giant red flag that investigators immediately focused in on.

Think about it.  A little boy is missing and from the get go the last known person to be seen with him is not being truthful with investigators.

Janet

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SAUVIE ISLAND

June, 2012

Sources: Search for Kyron Horman Focuses on Step-Mom, Cell Records
June 17th, 2010[/b]

As the search for 7-year-old Kyron Horman continues, one of the most puzzling aspects has been rescue teams' repeated and intensive searches of Sauvie Island.

The island is more than five miles from rural Skyline Elementary School, where Horman was reported missing June 4. But rescuers on horseback, on foot and in dive teams have repeatedly scoured the island beginning around June 10 and continuing this week — even after Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton called off other major search operations last Sunday.

<snipped>

WW has learned that federal, county and city law-enforcement officials say the reason for the search of Sauvie Island is that cell-phone records reveal Kyron's step-mother, Terri Moulton Horman, may have been on the island the day he disappeared.

And as searchers comb the island, law-enforcement officials say the investigation is increasingly focusing on the step-mother, because of problems with her account of what she was doing the day Kyron went missing.

<snipped>

And as searchers comb the island, law-enforcement officials say the investigation is increasingly focusing on the step-mother, because of problems with her account of what she was doing the day Kyron went missing.

This information comes from five separate law-enforcement officials from agencies at the city, county and federal level. To our knowledge, none is directly involved with the investigation.

But several said they've heard the same or similar accounts from multiple officials in the law-enforcement community. All agreed that Terri Moulton Horman has become a main focus of police attention because of problems with her story.

Four of the sources say they've heard Horman's story doesn't jibe with her cell-phone records from June 4.

<snipped>

http://www.wweek.com/portland/blog-1154-sources_search_for_kyron_horman_focuses_on_step_mo.html


October, 2010

Crews return to Sauvie Island for second day of large search for Kyron Horman
October 03, 2010 at 4:27 PM
updated October 04, 2010 at 12:00 PM


Search and rescue teams descended on Sauvie Island Sunday for the second day in the largest search effort in months for Kyron Horman.

The search was an effort by the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office to be thorough and was not the result of any new tips or leads, said sheriff’s office spokeswoman Lt. Mary Lindstrand.

<snipped>

A total of 113 search personnel from numerous Washington and Oregon agencies, and including ground crews and searchers using horses and all-terrain vehicles combed the fields and densely forested areas of Sauvie Island on Sunday. The effort was scaled back from Saturday’s search, which included 160 searchers.

The island has been a focus of the investigation since the boy, then 7, disappeared from Skyline School on June 4. In the days after he was reported missing, divers searched the waters around the island and crews searched by helicopter, horse and on foot.

Lindstrand said crews weren’t searching the entire island, but she wouldn't say what specific areas were being covered.

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/10/searchers_will_return_to_sauvi.html


November, 2010

Search for Kyron Horman: Dive Teams Scour Sauvie Island Waters
Nov. 15, 2010


Authorities have returned to the waters near an Oregon island hoping to find new evidence that would lead them to the missing 8-year-old boy Kyron Horman.

About 50 paid workers, divers and volunteers scoured Sauvie Island, not far from the little boy's home, in search of new evidence that may have turned up as a result of changing weather patterns.

<snipped>

Authorities said this weekend that the new Sauvie Island search, which has been thoroughly combed in the past several months, was based on an ongoing investigation, not any new leads.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/kyron-horman-case-dive-team-scours-sauvie-island/story?id=12149528


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 14, 2013, 11:17:02 PM
If Desiree's words reflected what she learned from LE ... it makes perfect sense why the investigation has been focused on Terry in the disappearance of Kyron.

Janet

++++

Little Boy Lost
Dateline NBC
By Kate Snow
updated 7/26/2010 6:51:10 PM ET


TRANSCRIPT

<snipped>

Tony and Desiree say the biggest question marks revolved around Terri's whereabouts that morning that Kyron went missing.

DESIREE YOUNG: She couldn't explain to them for about two hours worth of time where she was or what she was doing.

And there was something else that gave Desiree and Tony a sinking feeling that something wasn't right. They say Terri's cell phone records apparently didn't match up with where she said she was on the morning of Kyron's disappearance.

TONY YOUNG: That to me is strike two. That's huge… There's starting to be some structural problems with what she's saying at that point. And then it continues to stack up.

<snipped>

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/38420266/ns/dateline_nbc-crime_reports/t/little-boy-lost/#.UlyvjlCkpzM


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sunshine12 on October 15, 2013, 08:08:27 AM
Tamiko's Mom-

thank you for posting all of the recent articles, it is much appreciated.

i think a lot of the questions you have asked regarding the articles can be answered if you read through blinks latest investigative piece of this case.  a lot of posters there have asked similar questions and blink has been very generous to answer them.  i know it helped me greatly by reading her responses to get a better understanding on what is going on here with the divorce and kyrons investigation.

on a side note,  I firmly believe TMH wasn't involved at all in kyrons disapperance.  does anyone else share that viewpoint? 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 15, 2013, 11:33:16 AM
Tamiko's Mom-

thank you for posting all of the recent articles, it is much appreciated.

i think a lot of the questions you have asked regarding the articles can be answered if you read through blinks latest investigative piece of this case.  a lot of posters there have asked similar questions and blink has been very generous to answer them.  i know it helped me greatly by reading her responses to get a better understanding on what is going on here with the divorce and kyrons investigation.

on a side note,  I firmly believe TMH wasn't involved at all in kyrons disapperance.  does anyone else share that viewpoint? 

Thanks sunshine

I do read Blink's articles encompassing the Kyron Horman case.  Blink and I are not on the same page when it comes to our perspectives encompassing Terri's alleged involvement in the disappearance of Kyron and ... until the truth is known that's OK.

I cannot get passed the many investigative red flags revealed by LE, Desiree and Kaine ... the many investigative red flags waving in Terri's directions from the get go.

sunshine ... Desiree and Kaine desperately want answers regarding the disappearance of their son.  If Kyron's parents had not been convinced by investigators that Terri could provide those answers ... it makes sense to me that the focus of their efforts would have changed direction long ago.

Janet


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: cw618 on October 15, 2013, 03:03:51 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9941.msg1577850#msg1577850
the above link will take you to the article, that Staton talks about the cell
tower part of the investigation,below is info on the towers and  antennas
closest to the school
JMO the tower and antennas closest to the school, prob had over 1,000
call and texts, from 8am until 9am,and thats just from the people at the SF,
would be like looking for that needle in the haystack
JMO, im almost sure if the perp made a call, the perp didnt say or text anything
incriminating, which one is the perp, in that haystack
---------------------------------
Target Location (4.0 mile radius will be used)
11536 NW Skyline Blvd, Portland, OR 97231
5 of the towers can be eliminated,as they are post 2010
16-5=11
16 Tower Structures Detected!
report
http://www.antennasearch.com/downloads_ant_free/TowersBXX766938ESZ47281.csv
map and info links @ bottom of pg
http://tinyurl.com/n8yjaat
tower @ school is
Non-Registered,01-ANM-1437-OE,NA,45.6085,-122.856722222222
Ownership Info
http://tinyurl.com/mcavkx5
gmap
http://goo.gl/maps/rJYWS
-----------------
36 Antenna Locations Found!
report
http://www.antennasearch.com/downloads_ant_free/TransmittersNKZ215558GUK141309.csv
map and info links
http://tinyurl.com/kweo5ar
Antennas Closest to school is
Multiple,1,45.6056666666667,-122.853444444444,WNQW365,11445 NW SKYLINE BLVD
Multiple,1,45.6056666666667,-122.853444444444,WQDG884,11445 NW SKYLINE BLVD
Ownership Info
http://tinyurl.com/lezax4y
gmap
http://goo.gl/maps/wtxZP

http://www.antennasearch.com/sitestart.asp?sourcepagename=&getpagename=hopgsitemain&cmdrequest=getpage


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sunshine12 on October 15, 2013, 05:06:40 PM
Tamiko's Mom-

thank you for posting all of the recent articles, it is much appreciated.

i think a lot of the questions you have asked regarding the articles can be answered if you read through blinks latest investigative piece of this case.  a lot of posters there have asked similar questions and blink has been very generous to answer them.  i know it helped me greatly by reading her responses to get a better understanding on what is going on here with the divorce and kyrons investigation.

on a side note,  I firmly believe TMH wasn't involved at all in kyrons disapperance.  does anyone else share that viewpoint? 

Thanks sunshine

I do read Blink's articles encompassing the Kyron Horman case.  Blink and I are not on the same page when it comes to our perspectives encompassing Terri's alleged involvement in the disappearance of Kyron and ... until the truth is known that's OK.

I cannot get passed the many investigative red flags revealed by LE, Desiree and Kaine ... the many investigative red flags waving in Terri's directions from the get go.

sunshine ... Desiree and Kaine desperately want answers regarding the disappearance of their son.  If Kyron's parents had not been convinced by investigators that Terri could provide those answers ... it makes sense to me that the focus of their efforts would have changed direction long ago.

Janet



since you read her article, what do you make of the man that was scene leaving school with kyron?  why hasn't he been mentioned at all by the parents. if i were desperate to find my child, i would want the composite sketch of this man and his description blasted on every news program across the USA and canada. 

http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/08/06/kyron-horman-exclusive-report-new-suspect-and-botched-investigation-rumors-abound-terri-horman-prepares-to-fight-for-couples-daughter-following-seclusion/


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 15, 2013, 06:48:29 PM

since you read her article, what do you make of the man that was scene leaving school with kyron?  why hasn't he been mentioned at all by the parents. if i were desperate to find my child, i would want the composite sketch of this man and his description blasted on every news program across the USA and canada. 

http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/08/06/kyron-horman-exclusive-report-new-suspect-and-botched-investigation-rumors-abound-terri-horman-prepares-to-fight-for-couples-daughter-following-seclusion/


sunshine

Could it be that Kaine and Desiree have been led to believe that the investigation into the disappearance of their son has revealed that there was no credible observation of Kyron by anybody at Skyline following his departure with his mother from the classroom where a picture was taken?

I cannot think of any other explanation why Desiree and Kaine have not been demanding for the past three years that a composite sketch of the alleged male last observed with Kyron be released.  Think about it.  In recent interviews both parents have upheld the investigation.

Janet


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 15, 2013, 06:50:04 PM

Three years has gone by and there is still no word on where Kyron is. Why is that? This young man deserves to be found. Desiree deserves answers.
 

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Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 15, 2013, 07:32:52 PM
Desiree's words imply that she has faith in the investigation that justice will prevail for Kyron ... the investigation that she does not want to compromise?

Janet

++++++


Desiree Young drops suit against Terri Horman
Published: Tuesday, July 30, 2013, 11:36 AM PDT


PORTLAND, Ore. (KOIN) -- The mother of missing Kyron Horman said Tuesday morning that she has dropped a civil suit asking the boy's stepmother, Terri Horman, to reveal what she knows about his disappearance.

At a news conference on the steps of the Multnomah County Justice Center, an emotional Desiree Young said that going forward with the lawsuit would interfere with the criminal investigation, something she was not willing to do.

"In order for my lawyers to move forward with the case at this point, it would be necessary for them to seek access to the police criminal investigation files," Young said. "My lawyers have advised me that the Oregon Public Records Disclosure Law does not provide the release of ongoing police investigation files."

Desiree Young filed the $10 million lawsuit in June 2012. That December, Multnomah County judge Henry Kantor delayed the suit on the grounds that it could also impact the criminal investigation.

"I don't want anything to compromise the ongoing investigation for Kyron," Young said Tuesday. "For these reasons, I have instructed my attorneys to dismiss the civil case." ....

Young's attorney Elden Rosenthal told reporters that the DA's office did not pressure her to drop the lawsuit, but did say that "they do not wish" to release the files.

<snipped>

"Terri continues to not cooperate with law enforcement, or the investigation in any way," Young reiterated Tuesday.

Terri Horman is believed to have been the last person to see him alive. She has never been officially named as a suspect in the case.

"Terri, I can't tolerate the continued silence," Young said. "I will not stop, I will not give up."

http://www.koin.com/news/multnomah-county/desiree-young-drops-suit-against-terri-horman


(http://media.koin.com/photo/2013/09/29/IMG_20130730_112852_329_3208268_ver1.0_640_480.jpg)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: sunshine12 on October 15, 2013, 07:57:13 PM

since you read her article, what do you make of the man that was scene leaving school with kyron?  why hasn't he been mentioned at all by the parents. if i were desperate to find my child, i would want the composite sketch of this man and his description blasted on every news program across the USA and canada. 

http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/08/06/kyron-horman-exclusive-report-new-suspect-and-botched-investigation-rumors-abound-terri-horman-prepares-to-fight-for-couples-daughter-following-seclusion/


sunshine

Could it be that Kaine and Desiree have been led to believe that the investigation into the disappearance of their son has revealed that there was no credible observation of Kyron by anybody at Skyline following his departure with his mother from the classroom where a picture was taken?

I cannot think of any other explanation why Desiree and Kaine have not been demanding for the past three years that a composite sketch of the alleged male last observed with Kyron be released.  Think about it.  In recent interviews both parents have upheld the investigation.

Janet



oh believe me, im thinking about it and I think it's ridiculous that TMH is being railroaded when someone else was seen by multiple eye witnesses leaving the school building with Kyron. if you re read the link i posted, there are reports of multiple eyewitnesses who saw him leaving the classroom with a man, i don't see how we can ignore that.  this occurred around the time terri was already at one of the stores she stopped at (forget which one, maybe fred meyer). 

it's been 3 years and still nothing that points to TMH.  the old saying that a grand jury will indict a "ham sandwich" comes to mind when they didn't even find enough to charge her with the alleged MFH plot, let alone kyrons disappearance.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 16, 2013, 11:04:48 AM
What part of Rudy Sanchez' deposition will benefit Terri?

Janet

++++++

Landscaper to be deposed by Terri Horman's lawyers
Oct 15, 2013 at 11:09 PM PDT
Last Updated: Oct 16, 2013 at 1:01 AM PDT


PORTLAND, Ore. – The landscaper who accused Terri Horman of trying to hire him to kill her husband will be deposed Wednesday, according to sources.

Rudy Sanchez will be questioned by lawyers for Terri Horman as part of the ongoing divorce case between her and her husband, Kaine.

The news of the alleged plot came just weeks after Kaine's son, Kyron, disappeared from Skyline Elementary School in June 2010.

Law enforcement officials believe that Terri, the boy's stepmother, was the last known person to have seen him alive.

When Kaine was informed by law enforcement of the plot against his life, he and the daughter he has with Terri moved out and he got an order of protection.

<snipped>

http://www.katu.com/news/local/Landscaper-to-be-deposed-by-Terri-Horman-lawyers-227958381.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 16, 2013, 11:09:14 AM
RUDY SANCHEZ - COURT DOCUMENTS

Father of Missing Oregon Boy Suspects Stepmom
Published July 09, 2010


<snipped>

"I believe respondent is involved in the disappearance of my son Kyron who has been missing since June 4, 2010," Kaine Horman's petition reads. "I also recently learned that respondent attempted to hire someone to murder me. The police have provided me with probable cause to believe the above two statements to be true."

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/07/09/father-missing-oregon-boy-suspects-stepmom/


Kyron's father wants step-mom Terri to leave home sooner
Posted on July 14, 2010 at 10:48 AM
Updated Thursday, Jul 15 at 6:09 PM


<snipped>
 
Similarities to Murder-for-Hire plot

Monday's court filing also stated that police had told Kaine that Terri's "sexual overtures to Mr. Cook resemble those made to the man Respondent (Terri Horman) attempted to hire to murder Petitioner (Kaine)."

In the original restraining order filing, Kaine stated that police had told him Terri had tried to hire a landscaper to kill Kaine

<snipped>

http://www.kgw.com/news/Court-doc-Kaine-Terri-Horman-kyron-horman-contempt-sexting-98270654.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 16, 2013, 11:16:15 AM
(http://media.katu.com/images/131010_terri_horman_divorce_court_660.jpg)

Terri Horman appears during a divorce court hearing Thursday, Oct. 10, 2013 in Portland, Ore. She did not say anything.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/Landscaper-to-be-deposed-by-Terri-Horman-lawyers-227958381.html



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 16, 2013, 12:45:18 PM

What part of Rudy Sanchez' deposition will benefit Terri?

Janet

++++++

Landscaper to be deposed by Terri Horman's lawyers
Oct 15, 2013 at 11:09 PM PDT
Last Updated: Oct 16, 2013 at 1:01 AM PDT


PORTLAND, Ore. – The landscaper who accused Terri Horman of trying to hire him to kill her husband will be deposed Wednesday, according to sources.

Rudy Sanchez will be questioned by lawyers for Terri Horman as part of the ongoing divorce case between her and her husband, Kaine.

The news of the alleged plot came just weeks after Kaine's son, Kyron, disappeared from Skyline Elementary School in June 2010.

Law enforcement officials believe that Terri, the boy's stepmother, was the last known person to have seen him alive.

When Kaine was informed by law enforcement of the plot against his life, he and the daughter he has with Terri moved out and he got an order of protection.

<snipped>

http://www.katu.com/news/local/Landscaper-to-be-deposed-by-Terri-Horman-lawyers-227958381.html



Any updates in regards to today's deposition of Rudy Sanchez by Terri's attorneys?

Considering the investigation is still ongoing ... why is Chief Deputy District Attorney Don Rees not objecting?  What changed since October, 2010.

Janet

+++++

Judge delays Horman divorce ruling until January
Published: Oct 7, 2010 at 11:20 AM PDT
Last Updated: Oct 8, 2010 at 10:10 AM PDT


As the investigation into Kyron's disappearance progressed, revelations of a plot Terri allegedly hatched to have husband Kaine Horman killed and alleged "sexting" messages between Terri and a friend of Kaine have led to both divorce proceedings and intense scrutiny of Terri's actions at the time Kyron disappeared.

Terri Horman has not been charged with any crime and no suspects have been named in the disappearance of Kyron, but the judge said Thursday that police thought it "was more likely than not that Ms. Horman was likely involved in Kyron’s disappearance."

<snipped>

Peter Bunch said he's asked for Terri Horman calls to 9-1-1.  But was denied by Sheriff's office saying it's part of "ongoing Investigation." He's tried to serve the landscaper, Rudy Sanchez with subpoena for deposition, but prosecutors wouldn't give him contact information because of the "ongoing investigation."  Bunch said Terri called 911 when Sanchez showed up at her house wired "trying to talk to about something".  He also said Rudy Sanchez is an AKA (alias).

<snipped>

http://www.katu.com/news/local/104507829.html




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 16, 2013, 02:06:11 PM
According to Judge Kantor's own words exactly one month ago ... it appears that the alleged MFH plot against Kaine was still part of an ongoing investigation.  Why is Rudy Sanchez being deposed by Terri's attorneys unopposed ... unopposed by Don Rees?  Could it be that the events encompassing the failed STING will be the only line of questioning? 


Order - Judge Kantor
September 16, 2013


<snipped>

The focus of the County's motion is to stop the deposition of Deputy O'Donnell, a lead investigator working on the ongoing active criminal into BOTH young Kyron Horman's disappearance in 2010 and the murder-for-hire plot against Kyron's father, Kaine Horman.

<snipped>
http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/Order%20Regarding%20Depositions.pdf


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 16, 2013, 02:37:57 PM

The disappearance of Kyron - A Theory

Friday, June 4, 2010


<snipped>

11:00 AM - (Sauvie Island Bridge) Red Mustang and White pick up truck driving erratically are reported to authorities.  Records reveal pings from Terri's cell phone that originate on Sauvie Island.  Kyron is handed over to Kaine's former friend or DeDe's former child advocate boyfriend or ...

<snipped>
     


Layered Investigation?

Could it be that the over three year hold-up regarding indictments in the Kyron Horman case has everything to do with a layered investigation ... a layered investigation that is gathering respective evidence pertaining to a small chain of participants who have yet to be been ruled out as persons of interest in the happenings encompassing the disappearance of Kyron?

Could it be the investigative conflicts complicating the three year proceedings encompassing the custody of Kiara as well as Kaine and Terri's divorce are putting pressure on the DA to bring down indictments sooner than later?

If indictments are not forthcoming ... when I consider the Susan Powell case ... when I consider the well-being of Kiara ... it is my hope that there is a way of releasing the details encompassing the confidential circumstantial evidence that has been gathered without compromising the Kyron Horman investigation.

The following seven page order filed by Judge Kanton is a good read in it's entirety.  My take?  The implication appears to be if Kiara's safety is considered paramount by the court in the custody dispute ... the investigation into the disappearance of Kyron and the MFH plot must be compromised.  If the integrity of the investigation is paramount ... Kiara's well-being is compromised.

Janet


++++++

Order - Judge Kantor
September 16, 2013


<snipped>

In good conscience this court cannot further delay the decision to allow contact between the respondent and her daughter without extraordinary circumstances.  A pending criminal prosecution with an impending trial date would be one example of such an extraordinary circumstance.

<snipped>

http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/Order%20Regarding%20Depositions.pdf

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/09/judge_rules_terri_hormans_lawy.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 16, 2013, 03:05:56 PM

What part of Rudy Sanchez' deposition will benefit Terri?

Janet

++++++

Landscaper to be deposed by Terri Horman's lawyers
Oct 15, 2013 at 11:09 PM PDT
Last Updated: Oct 16, 2013 at 1:01 AM PDT


PORTLAND, Ore. – The landscaper who accused Terri Horman of trying to hire him to kill her husband will be deposed Wednesday, according to sources.

Rudy Sanchez will be questioned by lawyers for Terri Horman as part of the ongoing divorce case between her and her husband, Kaine.

The news of the alleged plot came just weeks after Kaine's son, Kyron, disappeared from Skyline Elementary School in June 2010.

Law enforcement officials believe that Terri, the boy's stepmother, was the last known person to have seen him alive.

When Kaine was informed by law enforcement of the plot against his life, he and the daughter he has with Terri moved out and he got an order of protection.

<snipped>

http://www.katu.com/news/local/Landscaper-to-be-deposed-by-Terri-Horman-lawyers-227958381.html


Judge delays Horman divorce ruling until January
Published: Oct 7, 2010 at 11:20 AM PDT
Last Updated: Oct 8, 2010 at 10:10 AM PDT


<snipped>

Terri Horman has not been charged with any crime and no suspects have been named in the disappearance of Kyron, but the judge said Thursday that police thought it "was more likely than not that Ms. Horman was likely involved in Kyron’s disappearance."

<snipped>

http://www.katu.com/news/local/104507829.html


Could it be that the judge is privy to confidential police files in the Kyron Horman investigation.  It makes sense to me that a mother could not be prevented from contact with her child for over three years based on hearsay from the father.

Janet

+++++


Judge signs order preventing Terri Horman near estranged husband
By KATU.com Published: Aug 2, 2013 at 12:18 AM PDT


PORTLAND, Ore. – Terri Horman is not allowed within 150 feet of the home where her estranged husband, Kaine, lives with their daughter Kiara.

That's according to a civil no-contact order signed Thursday by Judge Henry Kantor.

It replaces a restraining order that had been in place since Kaine was told three years ago that law enforcement officials had evidence Terri had hired a hit man to kill him.

Kaine had just had the restraining order renewed a few weeks ago.

The order also prevents her from approaching Kiara’s daycare, Kaine's office at Intel in Hillsboro and the gym he works out at in Beaverton.

She is also prohibited from approaching Skyline Elementary where their son Kyron was last seen in June 2010.

The order is part of the ongoing divorce proceedings between the two.

Terri is also forbidden from owning any firearms or ammunition.

<snipped>

http://www.katu.com/news/local/Judge-signs-order-preventing-Terri-Horman-near-estranged-husband-218050711.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 16, 2013, 03:10:48 PM
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ9GVE1nvW3uh02stlMArLJ0x80yX_gcdy-ABDjN71CJm84_DKy)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 16, 2013, 04:03:49 PM

I don't get it.  What part of Rudy Sanchez' deposition will benefit Terri?

Janet

++++++

Landscaper to be deposed by Terri Horman's lawyers
Oct 15, 2013 at 11:09 PM PDT
Last Updated: Oct 16, 2013 at 1:01 AM PDT


PORTLAND, Ore. – The landscaper who accused Terri Horman of trying to hire him to kill her husband will be deposed Wednesday, according to sources.

Rudy Sanchez will be questioned by lawyers for Terri Horman as part of the ongoing divorce case between her and her husband, Kaine.

The news of the alleged plot came just weeks after Kaine's son, Kyron, disappeared from Skyline Elementary School in June 2010.

Law enforcement officials believe that Terri, the boy's stepmother, was the last known person to have seen him alive.

When Kaine was informed by law enforcement of the plot against his life, he and the daughter he has with Terri moved out and he got an order of protection.

<snipped>

http://www.katu.com/news/local/Landscaper-to-be-deposed-by-Terri-Horman-lawyers-227958381.html



According to the following article it is Kaine's attorneys who are deposing Rudy Sanchez.  The above article implies that Terri's representative was doing the deposing.

Could it be a strategy?  Could it be that in Kiara's best interest ... Don Rees is allowing the MFH case to be compromised so the custody ruling can prevail?

Janet

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Gardener to be questioned in Horman case
October 16, 2013


PORTLAND, Ore. (KOIN) – The landscaper who allegedly accused Terri Horman -- the stepmother of missing Kyron -- of offering him money to kill her estranged husband Kaine was set to be deposed Wednesday as part of the couple’s ongoing divorce and custody proceedings.

According to court documents obtained by KOIN, Rudolpho Sanchez-Estrada was scheduled to be questioned by Kaine’s lawyers Wednesday afternoon in downtown Portland.

Terri’s attorney’s filed an emergency objection Tuesday in an attempt to stop the deposition, but there was no indication that it would be halted.

<snipped>

http://www.koin.com/news/multnomah-county/gardener-questioned-in-horman-case




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Amys Sister on October 16, 2013, 04:21:35 PM
That's promising.  I hope Rudy talks and talks.

I wonder on what grounds Houze attempted to prevent Rudy's depo?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 16, 2013, 04:32:06 PM
Could the testimony from the landscaper in an upcoming court hearing further both the custody and divorce petitions filed by Kaine.  Think about it.  Would a judge grant a child contact with a mother who allegedly initiated a plot to murder her father?  Would a judge require a husband to pay alimony to a wife who allegedly initiated a plot to have him murdered?

Janet

++++


Gardener questioned in alleged murder-for-hire plot to kill Kaine Horman
by Kyle Iboshi, KGW Staff
Posted on October 16, 2013 at 11:27 AM
Updated today at 11:27 AM



PORTLAND -- The landscaper who police believe Terri Horman approached in an alleged murder-for-hire plot against her estranged husband Kaine Horman was scheduled for a deposition Wednesday.

According to court papers obtained by KGW, Kaine's lawyers will question Rudy Sanchez-Estrada as part of the ongoing divorce proceedings with Terri Moulton Horman.

Terri's defense lawyer objected to the deposition and requested an emergency hearing to prevent Sanchez-Estrada from being questioned. No court hearing has been scheduled to discuss the matter

<snipped>

http://www.kgw.com/news/Witness-questioned-in-alleged-Horman-murder-plot-228050491.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 16, 2013, 04:34:06 PM
 ::donkey3::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 16, 2013, 04:36:51 PM
That's promising.  I hope Rudy talks and talks.

I wonder on what grounds Houze attempted to prevent Rudy's depo?


 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 16, 2013, 04:41:41 PM
Rudy Sanchez Subpoena
Published by Kyle Iboshi


This is the latest filing in the Horman divorce case. It includes the civil subpoena for Rudy Sanchez.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/176633142/Rudy-Sanchez-Subpoena


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 16, 2013, 04:47:25 PM
That's promising.  I hope Rudy talks and talks.

I wonder on what grounds Houze attempted to prevent Rudy's depo?


Amy's Sister

I have not had a chance to read the subpoena but ... apparently its all been documented.

Janet

++++++


Rudy Sanchez Subpoena
Published by Kyle Iboshi

This is the latest filing in the Horman divorce case. It includes the civil subpoena for Rudy Sanchez.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/176633142/Rudy-Sanchez-Subpoena


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 16, 2013, 05:15:07 PM
The article is a must read in its entirety.  IMO

Janet

++++


Terri Horman's lawyers object to deposition of landscaper at center of alleged murder-for-hire plot
October 16, 2013 at 1:44 PM
updated October 16, 2013 at 2:06 PM


The landscaper who Kaine Horman was told by police had been offered money by Terri Moulton Horman to kill him months before his son's disappearance was scheduled to be questioned today at 2 p.m. by Kaine Horman's lawyers, one of the depositions in their pending divorce and child custody case.

But Terri Horman's lawyers objected to the type of deposition Kaine Horman's lawyers sought, and have requested an emergency hearing on their concerns.

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/10/terri_horman_lawyers_object_to.html




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 16, 2013, 05:30:56 PM
 ::MonkeyTears::


Terri Horman's lawyer calls for emergency hearing
by Kyle Iboshi, KGW Staff
Posted on October 16, 2013 at 11:27 AM
Updated today at 1:55 PM


PORTLAND -- The landscaper who police believe Terri Horman approached in an alleged murder-for-hire plot against her estranged husband Kaine Horman was scheduled for a deposition Wednesday.  But the interview was later canceled.

Terri Horman's defense lawyer objected to the deposition and requested an emergency hearing to prevent Rudy Sanchez-Estrada from being questioned. No court hearing has been scheduled to discuss the matter.

According to court papers obtained by KGW, Kaine's lawyers wanted to question Sanchez-Estrada as part of the ongoing divorce proceedings with Terri Moulton Horman.

<snipped>

http://www.kgw.com/news/Witness-questioned-in-alleged-Horman-murder-plot-228050491.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 16, 2013, 06:55:04 PM
The definition of hypocrisy!  In 2010 Terri Horman's attorneys attempted to depose Rudy Sanchez.  However ... in 2013 these same attorneys are attempting to prevent the deposition of Sanchez by Kaine's attorneys.

Janet

+++++++

Judge delays Horman divorce ruling until January
Published: Oct 7, 2010 at 11:20 AM PDT
Last Updated: Oct 8, 2010 at 10:10 AM PDT


<snipped>

Peter Bunch said he's asked for Terri Horman calls to 9-1-1.  But was denied by Sheriff's office saying it's part of "ongoing Investigation." He's tried to serve the landscaper, Rudy Sanchez with subpoena for deposition, but prosecutors wouldn't give him contact information because of the "ongoing investigation."  Bunch said Terri called 911 when Sanchez showed up at her house wired "trying to talk to about something".  He also said Rudy Sanchez is an AKA (alias).

<snipped>

http://www.katu.com/news/local/104507829.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 16, 2013, 09:21:23 PM

(http://media.katu.com/images/131010_terri_horman_divorce_court_660.jpg)

Terri Horman appears during a divorce court hearing Thursday, Oct. 10, 2013 in Portland, Ore. She did not say anything.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/Landscaper-to-be-deposed-by-Terri-Horman-lawyers-227958381.html



It is not all about Terri.  Terri has been prevented from having contact with Kiara since June 28, 2010.  From a mother's perspective ... every minute of every day must be a h--- on Earth.  Nevertheless ... it must not be forgotten that Kaine and Desiree have also been prevented from having contact with Kyron since June 4, 2010.  Unlike Terri ... Kyron's parents have no idea if their son is alive.  Unlike Terri ... if Kyron is alive Kaine and Desiree have no idea whether or not he is in a safe environment.  From a mother's perspective ... it is my contention that Kaine and Desiree are living each and every day in the deepest h---.

Janet


(http://imgick.oregonlive.com/home/olive-media/width430/img/portland_impact/photo/8705016-mmmain.jpg)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 17, 2013, 02:01:34 PM
Nine days ago Chief Deputy District Attorney Don Rees affirms that Kaine has been afforded inside knowledge in regards to the happenings within the investigation into his son's disappearance.

Could it be assumed that one month ago on the Dr. Phil show what was revealed by Kyron's parents was an indication that the focus of the investigation has not wavered for over three years?

Janet

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Kyron Horman's parents, Desiree Young, Kaine Horman air differences on Dr. Phil
September 17, 2013 at 4:50 PM
updated September 24, 2013 at 8:51 AM


<snipped>

Both Horman and Young repeated on the show that they believe that Terri Horman is implicated in Kyron's disappearance. She took him to Skyline School that Friday morning and she is the last known person who saw him.

"I believe she's involved in this," Young said. "I think she is the one who has all the answers."

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/09/kyrons_parents_desiree_young_k.html


Attorneys for Kaine Horman and Terri Horman continue to argue over who can ask what in depositions
October 08, 2013 at 8:30 AM
updated October 08, 2013 at 1:47 PM


<snipped>

Chief Deputy District Attorney Don Rees has filed a separate motion to limit Terri Horman's deposition of Kaine Horman.

Because Kaine Horman is the victim of "an apparent crime against his own child,'' he has a legal right to information about his missing son, Rees argued.

"The fact that law enforcement has necessarily conveyed this information to Kaine Horman does not waive the longstanding and well-recognized privileged and confidential nature of information relating to a pending criminal investigation,'' Rees wrote.

Kaine Horman should be prohibited from answering any questions about law enforcement methods used to investigate his son's disappearance, physical evidence gathered, witness statements or questions asked by law enforcement, or whether he has testified before a grand jury, Rees wrote.

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/10/attorneys_for_kaine_horman_and.html

http://www.scribd.com/doc/174592563/Horman-Divorce-Court-Docs


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 17, 2013, 04:06:12 PM

If Desiree and Tony's words in the Dateline interview reflected what was learned from LE ... it makes perfect sense why the investigation has been focused on Terri for the past three years and ... why the focus of Kyron's parents has not taken them in another direction in their desperate search for answers.

Janet

++++

Little Boy Lost
Dateline NBC
By Kate Snow
updated 7/26/2010 6:51:10 PM ET


TRANSCRIPT

<snipped>

Tony and Desiree say the biggest question marks revolved around Terri's whereabouts that morning that Kyron went missing.

DESIREE YOUNG: She couldn't explain to them for about two hours worth of time where she was or what she was doing.

And there was something else that gave Desiree and Tony a sinking feeling that something wasn't right. They say Terri's cell phone records apparently didn't match up with where she said she was on the morning of Kyron's disappearance.

TONY YOUNG: That to me is strike two. That's huge… There's starting to be some structural problems with what she's saying at that point. And then it continues to stack up.

<snipped>

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/38420266/ns/dateline_nbc-crime_reports/t/little-boy-lost/#.UlyvjlCkpzM



Could it be assume that Kyron's parents' claims in regards to Terri's failed polygraphs and lack of cooperation had a credible foundation within LE.

Janet

+++   


Family: Terri Horman failed polygraphs; 'she's lying'
Story Published: Jul 8, 2010 at 6:19 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 9, 2010 at 3:37 AM PDT


<snipped>

I’ve known her a long time. I know she’s lying,” Desiree said with Kyron’s father, Kaine Horman, standing by her side at a hotel in Beaverton.

“I think everyone knows she took two polygraphs,” Kaine said. “She has not passed those polygraphs.”

Desiree and Kaine said they also took polygraph tests and “passed with flying colors.”

The family once again said that Terri is still not cooperating with police.

“Terri is not taking an active role in finding Kyron,” Desiree said and reiterated her two previous pleas with Terri “to do the right thing” and cooperate.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/98077834.html




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 17, 2013, 04:08:54 PM
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQJSJ_mmsRpUZNVD9BTCu5ns3dO3Z9KX7qD4BlilRB7rgsBMZA-)


(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQEuA0QFNLAXeT2gH7idAN21Wp9DGzZOD_PIiBLxibnBO8UPXm4Bw)



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 17, 2013, 04:47:36 PM
PICKING YOUR BATTLE?

Could it be a strategy?  Could it be that Don Rees is allowing the Murder-for-Hire circumstantial case against Terri to be compromised so that rulings can be furthered in both the custody and divorce motions filed by Kaine?

In other words ... the integrity of the Kyron Horman case will remain intact that day when indictments can be acted upon?

The following article is an informative read in its entirety.

Janet

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Terri Horman's lawyers object to deposition of landscaper at center of alleged murder-for-hire plot
October 16, 2013 at 1:44 PM
updated October 16, 2013 at 2:06 PM


The landscaper who Kaine Horman was told by police had been offered money by Terri Moulton Horman to kill him months before his son's disappearance was scheduled to be questioned today at 2 p.m. by Kaine Horman's lawyers, one of the depositions in their pending divorce and child custody case.

But Terri Horman's lawyers objected to the type of deposition Kaine Horman's lawyers sought, and have requested an emergency hearing on their concerns.

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/10/terri_horman_lawyers_object_to.html

http://www.scribd.com/doc/176633142/Rudy-Sanchez-Subpoena


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 17, 2013, 05:10:41 PM
In 2010 Terri Horman's attorneys attempted to depose Rudy Sanchez.  However ... in 2013 these same attorneys are attempting to prevent the deposition of Sanchez by Kaine's attorneys.

Janet

+++++++

Judge delays Horman divorce ruling until January
Published: Oct 7, 2010 at 11:20 AM PDT
Last Updated: Oct 8, 2010 at 10:10 AM PDT


<snipped>

Peter Bunch said he's asked for Terri Horman calls to 9-1-1.  But was denied by Sheriff's office saying it's part of "ongoing Investigation." He's tried to serve the landscaper, Rudy Sanchez with subpoena for deposition, but prosecutors wouldn't give him contact information because of the "ongoing investigation."  Bunch said Terri called 911 when Sanchez showed up at her house wired "trying to talk to about something".  He also said Rudy Sanchez is an AKA (alias).

<snipped>

http://www.katu.com/news/local/104507829.html



Could it be that in October, 2010 Terri's attorneys had intended to confine their deposition of Rudy Sanchez to the STING incident ... the STING incident that would not reveal the "confidential" circumstantial MFH evidence LE had gathered in their ongoing investigation.

In October, 2013 ... a deposition absent of Don Ree's interference may reveal the entire story of the Terri/Rudy connection.  Could this be the motivation behind the objections of Terri's attorneys to the questioning of Rudy Sanchez by Kaine's attorneys?

Janet

+++++

Kyron's father wants step-mom Terri to leave home sooner
Posted on July 14, 2010 at 10:48 AM
Updated Thursday, Jul 15 at 6:09 PM


<snipped>
 
Similarities to Murder-for-Hire plot

Monday's court filing also stated that police had told Kaine that Terri's "sexual overtures to Mr. Cook resemble those made to the man Respondent (Terri Horman) attempted to hire to murder Petitioner (Kaine)."

In the original restraining order filing, Kaine stated that police had told him Terri had tried to hire a landscaper to kill Kaine

<snipped>

http://www.kgw.com/news/Court-doc-Kaine-Terri-Horman-kyron-horman-contempt-sexting-98270654.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 18, 2013, 01:47:15 PM
Could it be that following the picture taking in the classroom and prior to the 8:45 am bell ... Kyron was taken unnoticed from the school by Terri through through an obscure exit?

Janet

+++++


Kyron Horman disappearance: Skyline school parents and students will be interviewed Sunday
June 05, 2010 at 9:57 PM
updated June 18, 2010 at 4:59 PM


<snipped>

The stepmother said she last saw Kyron at about 8:45 a.m. walking down the hallway toward his classroom, according to a sheriff's office news release. ...

However, the sheriff's office news release says school staff did not see Kyron after 8:45 a.m. and that he did not make it to his classroom.

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/search_for_missing_portland_bo.html

Father of Missing Oregon Boy Suspects Stepmom
Published July 09, 2010


<snipped>

(Desiree) Young, who lives in Medford with her husband, said Terri Horman's explanation after the boy's disappearance didn't add up.

"There are just some things in there that didn't sit well with me, and it just didn't sound right," Young told The AP.   "I'm very familiar with that school and there were just some things that I knew couldn't be correct."

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/07/09/father-missing-oregon-boy-suspects-stepmom/


Kyron Horman investigators ask public to help track white pickup Terri Horman drove
August 11, 2010 at 1:35 PM
updated August 17, 2010 at 8:08 AM


<snipped>

Multnomah County Chief Deputy District Attorney Rod Underhill said a witness, or witnesses, have reported seeing someone else by the Hormans' extended-cab pickup while it was parked in front of the school between 8:15 a.m. and 8:45 a.m. on June 4, the day Kyron disappeared.

Authorities are seeking to identify the person, or persons, who may have been spotted by the truck as it was parked outside the school's front fence in the shoulder of Northwest Skyline Boulevard. Someone possibly moved the pickup and parked it up a gravel path in front of the school's playground while Terri Moulton Horman was inside the school with her stepson for his science fair.

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/kyron_horman_case_investigator.html




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 18, 2013, 05:13:39 PM
Inquiring minds are still asking "Where was Kiara?"

Was there any affirmation that Kiara was with Terri and Kyron inside the school on the morning of June 4, 2010?  Could it be that Kiara was inside the truck with DeDe?  Think about it.  The employee at Magic Cleaners on Walker Rd stated in a media interview that Terri was in the establishment on the morning of June 4, 2010 alone ... no toddler.

Janet

+++++++


Kyron Horman investigators ask public to help track white pickup Terri Horman drove
August 11, 2010 at 1:35 PM
updated August 17, 2010 at 8:08 AM


Multnomah County Chief Deputy District Attorney Rod Underhill said a witness, or witnesses, have reported seeing someone else by the Hormans' extended-cab pickup while it was parked in front of the school between 8:15 a.m. and 8:45 a.m. on June 4, the day Kyron disappeared.

Authorities are seeking to identify the person, or persons, who may have been spotted by the truck as it was parked outside the school's front fence in the shoulder of Northwest Skyline Boulevard. Someone possibly moved the pickup and parked it up a gravel path in front of the school's playground while Terri Moulton Horman was inside the school with her stepson for his science fair.

Underhill said investigators want to identify anybody "in or in immediate proximity to that truck."

<snipped>

The appeal to the public comes as investigators continue to try to determine the whereabouts of Terri Moulton Horman and her friend DeDe Spicher during overlapping hours on the day Kyron disappeared.

Investigators and prosecutors have not named Terri Horman or Spicher as suspects in the case and are going to great lengths to avoid mentioning their names in public. But their actions show investigators remain intently focused on their every move the day Kyron disappeared. Last weekend, they distributed a flier with photos of both women to residents along Northwest Old Germantown Road, seeking any tips on whether the two women, or the Horman truck, were seen in the area between 9:45 a.m. and 1 p.m. on June 4.

<snipped>
 
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/kyron_horman_case_investigator.html


(http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/photo/flyerjpg-1865fa1091c1d178.jpg)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 18, 2013, 07:10:17 PM

In 2010 Terri Horman's attorneys attempted to depose Rudy Sanchez.  However ... in 2013 these same attorneys are attempting to prevent the deposition of Sanchez by Kaine's attorneys.

Janet

+++++++

Judge delays Horman divorce ruling until January
Published: Oct 7, 2010 at 11:20 AM PDT
Last Updated: Oct 8, 2010 at 10:10 AM PDT


<snipped>

Peter Bunch said he's asked for Terri Horman calls to 9-1-1.  But was denied by Sheriff's office saying it's part of "ongoing Investigation." He's tried to serve the landscaper, Rudy Sanchez with subpoena for deposition, but prosecutors wouldn't give him contact information because of the "ongoing investigation."  Bunch said Terri called 911 when Sanchez showed up at her house wired "trying to talk to about something".  He also said Rudy Sanchez is an AKA (alias).

<snipped>

http://www.katu.com/news/local/104507829.html



Could it be that in October, 2010 Terri's attorneys had intended to limit the deposing of Rudy Sanchez to the failed sting incident ... the failed sting incident that would not expose a Rudy/Terri personal relationship ... would not expose "confidential" circumstantial evidence that LE had gathered in their on-going investigation encompassing the MFH plot against Kaine.

Obviously ... the playing field in October, 2013 has expanded when it comes to the deposing of Rudy Sanchez by Kaine's attorney.  Why?

Janet

+++++

Landscaper wore wire, asked Terri Horman for $10,000 in murder-for-hire plot, sources say
July 06, 2010 at 9:01 PM
updated July 07, 2010 at 6:53 AM


A landscaper who said Kyron Horman's stepmother offered to pay him to kill her husband about six or seven months ago went back to Terri Moulton Horman on June 26 at the urging of police.
This time, he wore a body wire and was accompanied by an undercover officer. On the recorded conversation, he sought $10,000 from her, saying otherwise he would go to police with the murder-for-hire plot, sources said.

Terri Horman apparently cut off the conversation fairly quickly, sources said.

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/landscaper_wore_wire_asked_ter.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 18, 2013, 09:54:12 PM
MICHAEL COOK

Little Boy Lost
NBC News
updated 7/26/2010 6:51:10 PM ET


TRANSCRIPT

<snipped>

KATE SNOW: When you heard there were these new court documents and they say that she developed this relationship with this man, that they were sexting, texting each other—you roll your eyes.

DESIREE YOUNG: Yeah, I'm sorry. I guess, to say it tactfully, it goes to someone's character if you're doing something like that. I mean, it's disgusting.

<snipped>

http://www.today.com/id/38420266/ns/today-today_news/t/little-boy-lost/#.UmHl6lCkpzM


Kyron's father wants step-mom Terri to leave home sooner
Posted on July 14, 2010 at 10:48 AM
Updated Thursday, Jul 15 at 6:09 PM


<snipped>

The motion also states police told Kaine that Terri exchanged hundred of text messages with Cook and several photographs of Terri Horman "in various stages of undress and graphic sexual activity." According to the filing, the "sexual nature" of the relationship between Cook and Terri Horman began on or about June 30, four days after Kaine Horman moved out of the family's Northwest Portland home.

Cook was a high school classmate of Kaine Horman, and also helped organize the first vigil for missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman.

Monday's court filing also stated that police had told Kaine that Terri's "sexual overtures to Mr. Cook resemble those made to the man Respondent (Terri Horman) attempted to hire to murder Petitioner (Kaine).

In an interview with KGW on Monday, Cook admitted that he had used his cell phone to photograph the sealed restraining order, and that he had engaged in "sexting" with Terri Horman.

Cook also admitted having "inappropriate communication" with Terri Horman but he denied having sexual relations with her. "I never slept with her," Cook told KGW.

Cook did admit that he had Googled Kaine Horman's new address on his cell phone.

<snipped>

http://www.kgw.com/news/Court-doc-Kaine-Terri-Horman-kyron-horman-contempt-sexting-98270654.html

http://images.bimedia.net/documents/horman-affair.pdf




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 18, 2013, 10:16:05 PM
I am attempting to reconcile DeDe's words in her People interview with the timing of Terri's sexting with Michael Cook. (See above post.)

Janet

+++++


DeDe Spicher: I Was 'Very Worried' for Terri Horman's Life
08/18/2010 at 10:00 AM EDT


<snipped>

A longtime friend of Terri's, Spicher stayed with her for 11 days beginning June 28, shortly after Terri's wife Kaine left her. "When Terri's parents had to leave to go back home, they asked if I would stay with her to help keep her safe," she says. "And I said of course I would."

She continues: "I dropped everything I was doing, and I went to see what my friend needed. And that's when I learned she had been served with the divorce papers, there was a restraining order and a story about a murder-for-hire or something. So, it was clear that she was very distraught.

<snipped>

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20413793,00.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 19, 2013, 02:13:51 PM
Will the impending depositions of Skyline teachers by Terri's attorneys negate or uphold the official media releases from the past in regards to Terri being the last person to have seen Kyron on the morning of June 4, 2010?

Janet

++++++

Judge rules Terri Horman's lawyers can't depose investigator or students, but can question Skyline School teachers, various business staff
September 16, 2013 at 9:49 AM
updated September 17, 2013 at 9:26 AM


Lawyers for Terri Moulton Horman can't question one of the lead sheriff's investigators in the disappearance of her stepson Kyron Horman, but can start deposing faculty at the missing boy's school and adults at area businesses, according to a judge's ruling Monday.

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http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/09/judge_rules_terri_hormans_lawy.html


Kyron Horman disappearance: Skyline school parents and students will be interviewed Sunday
June 05, 2010 at 9:57 PM
updated June 18, 2010 at 4:59 PM


<snipped>

The stepmother said she last saw Kyron at about 8:45 a.m. walking down the hallway toward his classroom, according to a sheriff's office news release. ...

However, the sheriff's office news release says school staff did not see Kyron after 8:45 a.m. and that he did not make it to his classroom.

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http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/search_for_missing_portland_bo.html


Sheriff’s office tries to dispel rumors about boy's disappearance
Jun 18, 2010
Updated Jun 21, 201
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There was one new piece of information: “Terri is the last-known person to have seen him before he disappeared,” Multnomah County Sheriff’s Capt. Jason Gates said, contrary to previous reports of someone else who might have seen the boy afterward.

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http://www.portlandtribune.com/news/story.php?story_id=127687387448812800


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 19, 2013, 11:16:56 PM
Considering Don Rees' recent contention that Kyron's father is legally entitled to the be updated regarding the status of the investigation into the disappearance of his son ... it would make sense that after three years Kaine would been made aware if there was someone other than Terri known to be the last person seen with Kyron.

Janet

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Kaine Horman wants Kyron records from Terri
Posted on October 9, 2013 at 6:07 AM
Updated Wednesday, Oct 9 at 11:06 AM


<snipped.

The attorney representing Kaine Horman asked for "any information, statement, or material provided to or posted on 'social media' internet web site since June 4, 2010 concerning the disappearance of Kyron Horman on June 4, 2010 from Skyline Elementary School."

<snipped>

http://www.kgw.com/news/Legal-fight-in-Horman-divorce-heats-up--226998691.html


Attorneys for Kaine Horman and Terri Horman continue to argue over who can ask what in depositions
October 08, 2013 at 8:30 AM
updated October 08, 2013 at 1:47 PM


<snipped>

Chief Deputy District Attorney Don Rees has filed a separate motion to limit Terri Horman's deposition of Kaine Horman.

Because Kaine Horman is the victim of "an apparent crime against his own child,'' he has a legal right to information about his missing son, Rees argued.

"The fact that law enforcement has necessarily conveyed this information to Kaine Horman does not waive the longstanding and well-recognized privileged and confidential nature of information relating to a pending criminal investigation,'' Rees wrote.

Kaine Horman should be prohibited from answering any questions about law enforcement methods used to investigate his son's disappearance, physical evidence gathered, witness statements or questions asked by law enforcement, or whether he has testified before a grand jury, Rees wrote.

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/10/attorneys_for_kaine_horman_and.html

http://www.scribd.com/doc/174592563/Horman-Divorce-Court-Docs


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 19, 2013, 11:26:53 PM
(Continued)


Kaine Horman wants Kyron records from Terri
Posted on October 9, 2013 at 6:07 AM
Updated Wednesday, Oct 9 at 11:06 AM


<snipped.

The attorney representing Kaine Horman asked for "any information, statement, or material provided to or posted on 'social media' internet web site since June 4, 2010 concerning the disappearance of Kyron Horman on June 4, 2010 from Skyline Elementary School."

<snipped>

Kaine Horman's divorce lawyer is also asking for Terri Horman's financial records, tax returns and resume.

The court documents indicate Kaine Horman's lawyer requested information from Terri Horman on the person or persons "you contend have knowledge that Terri Horman was not the last person to see Kyron Horman on June 4, 2010 at Skyline School."

http://www.kgw.com/news/Legal-fight-in-Horman-divorce-heats-up--226998691.html



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 20, 2013, 11:49:44 AM
Terri's attorney asserts that his client was not "the last person to see Kyron that day".  Considering my theory implies that Kyron was handed over to another at a Sauvie Island location on the morning of June 4, 2004 ... I am in agreement with Houze.

What officials within the investigation have stated is that Terri is that last "known" person to be seen with Kyron on June 4, 2004.

Janet

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Attorney: Terri Horman wasn't last person to see Kyron
Posted: Sep 13, 2013 10:27 AM PDT
Updated: Sep 13, 2013 9:56 PM PDT


PORTLAND, OR (KPTV) - An attorney for Terri Horman, the stepmother of missing Portland boy Kyron Horman, said he can prove she was not the last person to see Kyron at Skyline School in northwest Portland on the day he disappeared.

<snipped>

"It's not true," Houze said of the claims Terri Horman was the last person to see Kyron that day. "We have witnesses who will say, in fact, they know facts first-hand that demonstrate that is not true."

http://www.kptv.com/story/23425918/attorney-terri-horman-wasnt-last-person-to-see-kyron-horman-at-school


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 20, 2013, 05:36:13 PM

The Jefferson Exchange: September 18, 2013

Kyron Horman, Still Missing


The Portland area is still riveted by the case of Kyron Horman, the seven-year-old boy who disappeared from his school in June 2010.  His mother, Desiree Young, lives in the Rogue Valley, and continues to look for answers to Kyron's fate.  She joins us to talk about a recent search around the area where Kyron was last seen.

http://directory.libsyn.com/episode/index/show/jpr/id/2476701#access_token=CAAEAkMDpPh4BAFUl23TFhKCE4YZCrauBweqvu0brOEX9le0LefbP0w5UaLsNZAoHi2UqqVLMYYioMMpUS80wMgqHsz3ZCOs4



Desiree Young, September 18, 2013

"I am 150 percent confident that Terri Horman should be charged in the case."

"Maybe we haven't found Kyron yet but we have a lot of circumstantial evidence tying Terri to Kyron's disappearance."





Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 20, 2013, 05:41:08 PM

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Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 20, 2013, 05:57:40 PM


The Desiree/Kaine Dr. Phil Interview

Dr. Phil Part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xudmj4Oqco

Dr. Phil Part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkicnZndc0s

Dr. Phil Part 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFgQRPA7u6o

H/T - StcPnkLdy



Kyron Horman's parents, Desiree Young, Kaine Horman air differences on Dr. Phil
September 17, 2013 at 4:50 PM
updated September 24, 2013 at 8:51 AM


<snipped>

Both Horman and Young repeated on the show that they believe that Terri Horman is implicated in Kyron's disappearance. She took him to Skyline School that Friday morning and she is the last known person who saw him.

"I believe she's involved in this," Young said. "I think she is the one who has all the answers."

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/09/kyrons_parents_desiree_young_k.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 20, 2013, 05:58:18 PM
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Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 20, 2013, 06:38:32 PM
In media interviews Kyron parents may not share the details encompassing the circumstantial evidence investigators have gathered but ... there appears to be an element of assurance that the case is going forward ... an element of assurance that justice will prevail.  The holdup?  Could it be that there is a small chain of participants involved in Kyron's disappearances which implies the investigation is layered?

Janet

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Kyron's mother, Desiree Young, appears solo on Today Show saying Terri Horman had 'severe hatred for Kyron'
November 15, 2010 at 6:50 AM
updated November 15, 2010 at 9:31 PM


<snipped>

On Friday, police showed Young e-mails Terri had sent to friends describing her marriage to Kaine and her feelings about Kyron.

Young said the emails reveal "a severe hatred for Kyron."

"She blames a lot of the marital problems between Kaine and herself on Kyron. It was a huge point of contention in their marriage and she had expressed in great detail her hatred for Kyron," Young said. "I now believe, without a shadow of a doubt that not only is she capable of hurting Kyron, that it's clear that she could have hurt him in the worst possible way."

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http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/11/kyrons_mother_desiree_young_ap.html


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Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 20, 2013, 07:09:34 PM
DeDe Spicher?  Kaine's high school friend?  DeDe's child advocate ex-boyfriend?  The landscaper?

Janet

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Terri Horman agrees to leave house
Posted on July 8, 2010 at 5:53 PM
Updated Monday, Jul 12 at 12:44 PM


<snipped>

Desiree told CNN that she believes that someone in addition to Terri Horman was involved in her son's disappearance and that Terri did not act alone.

"I don't think so," Desiree said, "Honestly, she didn't take out a contract on her husband alone, so I think she would need help.

<snipped>

http://www.kgw.com/news/Desiree-Young-on-Terri-Moulton-I-know-shes-lying-98075814.html


1.  DEDE SPICHER?

Attorney: Terri Horman's friend refused to answer 142 questions in Kyron case
Posted: Oct 23, 2012 12:21 PM PDT
Updated: Nov 27, 2012 12:31 PM PS
T

PORTLAND, OR (KPTV) - Kyron Horman's parents have called her uncooperative in the past and now an attorney said DeDe Spicher refused to answer more than 100 questions regarding the missing boy.

<snipped>

Shortly after the boy's disappearance, Kyron's parents said Spicher was in close communication with Terri Horman and provided her "advice that is not in the best interests of our son."

Young's lawyer said Spicher was called in for a deposition earlier this month as part of the lawsuit against Terri Horman. Elden Rosenthal said Spicher refused to answer 142 of his questions, citing her Fifth Amendment rights not to incriminate herself.

http://www.kptv.com/story/19894510/terri-hormans-friend-refused-to-answer-142-questions-in-kyron-case


DeDe Spicher - Lawsuit Desposition - October 5, 2012

http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/DeDe-watermarked-1.pdf


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 21, 2013, 12:56:18 PM
There are those who claim that the lack of an indictment in the Kyron Hormon case after more than three years somehow exonerates Terri from implication in the happenings encompassing her stepson's disappearance.

Think about the de facto suspects in....

1.  The Susan Powell Case
2.  The Haleigh Marie Cummings Case
3.  The Hailey Dunn Case
4.  The Dylan Redline Case
5.  The Ayla Reynolds Case
6.  .....
7.  .....

Could it be those working on the Kyron Horman case are on a mission to insure the dots are connected and not compromised prior to an indictment/s to avoid the outcome of the Caylee Anthony case?  Think about it.  Casey Anthony was declared "Not Guilty" despite evidence that common sense would define as beyond circumstantial.

Janet


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 21, 2013, 01:10:01 PM
Terri Moulton Horman, focus in stepson Kyron Horman's disappearance, shows for divorce hearing
August 25, 2010 at 2:40 PM
updated September 14, 2010 at 10:43 PM


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In a legal memo filed today, Bunch argues that Terri Horman can't proceed at this time to protect her rights to property, custody and parenting time because she is a "de facto suspect" in the disappearance of Kyron and at the center of a police investigation.[/color]

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_moulton_horman_appears_i.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 21, 2013, 01:12:46 PM


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Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 21, 2013, 02:24:09 PM
The quotes of Desiree and Don Rees in the following articles convince me that an investigation into the disappearance of Kyron Horman is moving forward ... indictments are forthcoming and ... certain depositions related to a civil lawsuit/custody dispute/divorce proceeding would compromised the investigation.

Janet

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Desiree Young drops suit against Terri Horman
Published: Tuesday, July 30, 2013, 11:36 AM PDT


PORTLAND, Ore. (KOIN) -- The mother of missing Kyron Horman said Tuesday morning that she has dropped a civil suit asking the boy's stepmother, Terri Horman, to reveal what she knows about his disappearance.

At a news conference on the steps of the Multnomah County Justice Center, an emotional Desiree Young said that going forward with the lawsuit would interfere with the criminal investigation, something she was not willing to do.

"In order for my lawyers to move forward with the case at this point, it would be necessary for them to seek access to the police criminal investigation files," Young said. "My lawyers have advised me that the Oregon Public Records Disclosure Law does not provide the release of ongoing police investigation files."

Desiree Young filed the $10 million lawsuit in June 2012. That December, Multnomah County judge Henry Kantor delayed the suit on the grounds that it could also impact the criminal investigation.

"I don't want anything to compromise the ongoing investigation for Kyron," Young said Tuesday. "For these reasons, I have instructed my attorneys to dismiss the civil case." ....

Young's attorney Elden Rosenthal told reporters that the DA's office did not pressure her to drop the lawsuit, but did say that "they do not wish" to release the files.

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http://www.koin.com/news/multnomah-county/desiree-young-drops-suit-against-terri-horman


Attorneys for Kaine Horman and Terri Horman continue to argue over who can ask what in depositions
October 08, 2013 at 8:30 AM
updated October 08, 2013 at 1:47 PM


<snipped>

Chief Deputy District Attorney Don Rees has filed a separate motion to limit Terri Horman's deposition of Kaine Horman.

Because Kaine Horman is the victim of "an apparent crime against his own child,'' he has a legal right to information about his missing son, Rees argued.

"The fact that law enforcement has necessarily conveyed this information to Kaine Horman does not waive the longstanding and well-recognized privileged and confidential nature of information relating to a pending criminal investigation,'' Rees wrote.

"Kaine Horman should be prohibited from answering any questions about law enforcement methods used to investigate his son's disappearance, physical evidence gathered, witness statements or questions asked by law enforcement, or whether he has testified before a grand jury", Rees wrote.

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/10/attorneys_for_kaine_horman_and.html

http://www.scribd.com/doc/174592563/Horman-Divorce-Court-Docs


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 21, 2013, 03:59:14 PM
The $10,000 Lawsuit?

Considering the $350,000 retainer that Terri's defence attorney's received ... it appears that Kyron's stepmother had a money source.  Nevertheless ... it makes sense to me that the underlying motive of Desiree's lawsuit was not about money ... it was all about exposing "details" regarding gathered evidence from the police files encompassing the disappearance of her son.

Think about it.  In late 2012 ... the mother of Kyron respectfully complied with the delay of the lawsuit when investigators cited there was "new evidence" in the case.  Then in 2013 Desire dropped the lawsuit when informed by investigators that the releasing of files was not going to happen ... it would compromise the ongoing investigation.

Janet

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Multnomah County sheriff cites new 'investigative avenues' in case of missing Kyron Horman
November 27, 2012 at 2:57 PM
updated December 04, 2012 at 8:54 AM


New investigative leads in the disappearance of Kyron Horman have spurred prosecutors and the Multnomah County sheriff to seek a delay in the  civil lawsuit Kyron's mother filed against Kyron's stepmother Terri Horman.

A Multnomah County judge this week granted motions by District Attorney Michael Schrunk and Sheriff Dan Staton to delay Desiree Young's civil lawsuit against Terri Horman for nine months.

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/11/multnomah_county_sheriff_cites.html



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 21, 2013, 04:01:46 PM

The following article implies that the alleged "controlling" Kaine did not hold onto the financial reigns as tight as we have been led to believe.  Think about it.  $350,000!!!  Kaine wanted assurance that the retainer amount was not derived from the "the couple's joint assets".

 Janet

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Cops learned of Terri's $350K through texts
Posted on July 26, 2010 at 10:00 AM
Updated Wednesday, Jul 28 at 1:35 PM


PORTLAND – The attorney for Kaine Horman filed a motion in court Monday to force Terri Moulton Horman to disclose where she was getting money to pay her lawyer fees.

KGW obtained a copy of the affidavit Monday which showed that Terri had paid her attorney, Stephen Houze, $350,000.

Kaine Horman wants to know where that money came from. Specifically, Kaine wants to know if the money Terri used was considered part of the couple's "joint assets." If so, he wants access to that money to help pay his own legal fees.

The affidavit explained, "If it is Respondent's position that her attorney fees are a marital liability, then Respondent [Terri Horman] should be required to immediately provide one-half of these funds to Petitioner [Kaine Horman] to pay his attorney fees and costs.

A reliable source told KGW that investigators learned of the $350,000 through a text message that Terri had sent to Mike Cook. Detectives were searching through Cook's messages as part of the investigation after they learned that he had a sexual relationship with Terri during the search for Kyron.  A court motion stated that police said Terri "sexted" Cook hundreds of times and also sent him several photographs of herself "in various stages of undress and graphic sexual activity."

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http://www.kgw.com/news/Kaine-Horman-seeks-to-make-Terri-pay-legal-fees-99243664.html

http://images.bimedia.net/documents/0375_001.pdf



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 22, 2013, 05:07:49 PM
Could it be that that a plea deal with DeDe is happening behind the scenes in the investigation regarding the happenings encompassing the disappearance of Kyron?  Will Terri and possibly others be thrown under the bus?

Janet

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2010 - DEDE'S ATTORNEY - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Attorney: Spicher shared Terri Horman emails, texts with cops
Posted on July 26, 2010 at 12:09 PM
Updated Wednesday, Aug 18 at 8:05 AM


<snipped>

Stavley also told NBC Dateline Monday that Spicher had been, and planned to keep, cooperating with investigators. He said that she had already shared text messages and emails sent to and from Terri with detectives.

"I would be, frankly, surprised if Terri Horman did not eventually face charges in this case," Stavley said. "I'd be surprised if the indictment didn't come down."

<snipped>

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/DeDe-Spicher-testifies-before-grand-jury-99252004-kyron-horman-missing-portland.html


2012 - DESIREE'S ATTORNEY - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Attorney: Terri Horman's friend refused to answer 142 questions in Kyron case
Posted: Oct 23, 2012 12:21 PM PDT
Updated: Nov 27, 2012 12:31 PM PST


PORTLAND, OR (KPTV) - Kyron Horman's parents have called her uncooperative in the past and now an attorney said DeDe Spicher refused to answer more than 100 questions regarding the missing boy.

<snipped>

Shortly after the boy's disappearance, Kyron's parents said Spicher was in close communication with Terri Horman and provided her "advice that is not in the best interests of our son."

Young's lawyer said Spicher was called in for a deposition earlier this month as part of the lawsuit against Terri Horman. Elden Rosenthal said Spicher refused to answer 142 of his questions, citing her Fifth Amendment rights not to incriminate herself.

http://www.kptv.com/story/19894510/terri-hormans-friend-refused-to-answer-142-questions-in-kyron-case


DeDe Spicher - Lawsuit Desposition - October 5, 2012

http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/DeDe-watermarked-1.pdf


2013 - DESIREE'S ATTORNEY - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyron Horman's mom drops civil suit, criminal investigation continues
Posted on July 30, 2013 at 10:54 AM
Updated Tuesday, Jul 30 at 8:14 PM


<snipped>

A key witness was now cooperating with investigators, according to Young's attorney Elden Rosenthal.

DeDe Spicher testified before the grand jury for the criminal case within the past two weeks, according to Rosenthal.

Spicher was friends with Terri and her whereabouts were in question the day Kyron vanished.  She had previously declined to speak with investigators or testify.

The Multnomah County Sheriff's Office also reiterated that the criminal investigation remains active and released a statement about 3 hours after Young's big announcement.

"Sheriff Staton wants the citizens of Multnomah County to know this criminal investigation remains a high priority for the Sheriff's Office and that it will continue unimpeded. The integrity and security of the investigation remains foremost for this agency," the statement read.

<snipped>

http://www.kgw.com/news/Kyron-Horman-civil-suit--217621031.html


2013 - DEDE - IN HER OWN WORDS

Dede Spicher says she signed immunity deal in Kyron case
Posted on September 4, 2013 at 4:34 PM
Updated Thursday, Sep 5 at 12:42 PM


The latest development in the ongoing investigation into the disappearance of Kyron Horman involves Dede Spicher, a close friend of Kyron’s stepmom Terri Horman.

In an online article, Dede Spicher claims she has passed a polygraph, signed an immunity deal with prosecutors, and agreed to "tell all" before the grand jury investigating the case.

Those new details were first reported in the online blog blinkoncrime.com.

<snipped>

Read more:
http://www.kgw.com/news/Dede-Spicher-terri-horman-kyron-immunity-222430021.html

http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/09/04/blink-on-crime-kyron-horman-investigation-exclusive-terri-horman-friend-dede-spicher-breaks-her-silence-after-passing-polygraph-requests-da-clear-her-publicly/

http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/09/11/blink-on-crime-kyron-horman-investigation-exclusive-dede-spicher-interview-yields-allegations-of-illegal-steroid-use-terri-horman-took-to-police/



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 22, 2013, 05:46:37 PM
It makes sense to me that there was a foundation of gathered circumstantial/hard evidence that investigators derived the info from ... the info that they shared with Kyron's parents.

Janet

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Investigators put pressure on Terri Moulton Horman's friends, including DeDe Spicher
July 22, 2010 at 7:50 PM
updated July 23, 2010 at 11:52 AM


<snipped>

In a statement late tonight, Kaine Horman and Kyron's mother, Desiree Young, and Desiree's husband, Tony Young, said they had been briefed by law enforcement and believe Spicher is hampering the investigation. They implored her to cooperate.

"She has not only been in close communication with Terri but has been providing Terri with support and advice that is not in the best interests of our son,'' the statement said. "Additional information provided shows that she is refusing to cooperate with law enforcement, she is also going as far as to suggest to others that may have information regarding Kyron's disappearance, not to cooperate as well.''

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/investigators_put_pressure_on.html



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 22, 2013, 07:03:07 PM

Inquiring minds are still asking "Where was Kiara?"

Other than the Walker Rd FM ... are there any affirmations that Kiara was with Terri on the morning of June 4, 2010?  It has been revealed by a Magic Cleaner employee in a media interview that Kiara was not with Terri.  Think about it.  Magic Cleaners is located in the same complex as the Walker Rd. FM.

Why is neither of the following KOIN orginal or updated article no longer available?  Was Kiara in Terri's arms during the Andrea Leckey encounter?  When did Andrea Leckey come forward as a witness?

Janet

++++++

ORIGINAL

Grand jury witness shares her encounter with Terri Horman
August 13, 2010


On June 4, between 9:30-10 a.m., Andrea Leckey ran into Horman at the Fred Meyer along Walker Road in Beaverton, sharing an encounter that was the longest they had ever had.

During the conversation, Leckey said Terri mentioned just coming from the science fair at Skyline School, even showing her the now well-known picture of her step-son, Kyron.

"The only thing that I think was significant about that time is that she showed me a picture of Kyron next to his project," said Leckey.

"She just made it a point to show me his photo."

Leckey formerly worked as a manager at Horman's gym where they spoke to each other frequently, but always briefly, too.

At the time of their Fred Meyer encounter, Leckey said she was being polite and making chit-chat because she knew Horman's daughter was not feeling well.

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Grand-jury-witness-shares-her-encounter-with/ZRn4GrYpt0a0BAxulU8rEA.cspx


UPDATED

Grand jury witness shares her encounter with Terri Horman
August 14, 2010


On June 4, between 9:30-10 a.m., Andrea Leckey ran into Horman at the Fred Meyer along Walker Road in Beaverton, sharing an encounter that was the longest they had ever had.

During the conversation, Leckey said Terri mentioned just coming from the science fair at Skyline School, even showing her the now well-known picture of her step-son, Kyron.

"The only thing that I think was significant about that time is that she showed me a picture of Kyron next to his project," said Leckey.

"I think the thing that seems odd about it perhaps is that we were just passing each other by and in a few seconds, with her daughter being sick in her arms, made a point to show me the picture."

Leckey formerly worked as a manager at Horman's gym where they spoke to each other frequently, but always briefly, too.

At the time of their Fred Meyer encounter, Leckey said she was being polite and making chit-chat because she knew Horman's daughter was not feeling well.

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Grand-jury-witness-shares-her-encounter-with/ZRn4GrYpt0a0BAxulU8rEA.cspx




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 22, 2013, 07:08:24 PM
The following article reveals that Andrea Leckey also testified as a Grand Jury witness in another case.

Janet

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Grand jury witness dubs encounter with Kyron Horman's stepmother 'odd,' according to KOIN
August 18, 2010 at 11:36 AM
updated August 19, 2010 at 8:02 AM


http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2010/08/grand_jury_witness_dubs_encounter_with_kyron_hormans_stepmother_odd.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 22, 2013, 07:23:06 PM
The question still hangs ... "Was Kiara with Terri in the Walker Rd. FM".

Janet

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Interview with Andrea Leckey after her testimony in the Kyron Horman Case

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mp69S0kgiWU


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 22, 2013, 07:29:15 PM
I listen to the video again and ... Andrea does state that Kiara was in Terri's arms during the encounter at the Walker Rd. FM.  Where was Kiara when Terri was in Magic Cleaners ... an establishment in the same complex?

Janet


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 23, 2013, 10:39:51 AM


(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/971625_596089393756819_346404003_n.jpg)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Sister on October 23, 2013, 11:12:17 AM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/missing-new1b.gif)



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 23, 2013, 11:21:18 AM
I listen to the video again and ... Andrea does state that Kiara was in Terri's arms during the encounter at the Walker Rd. FM.  Where was Kiara when Terri was in Magic Cleaners ... an establishment in the same complex?

Janet


In the video (1:25) at the following link it is reported that the owner of Magic Cleaners Sari Shanti claimed Terri came "alone".

Janet

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Judge: Terri Horman's lawyers cannot question investigator
Posted on September 16, 2013 at 9:30 AM
Updated Tuesday, Sep 17 at 4:18 PM


<snipped>

Judge Kantor Monday granted a motion filed by Kaine Horman's attorneys to stop Terri Horman's attorneys from questioning deputy O'Donnell.

However, Terri Horman's attorneys can conduct their own investigation. They will be allowed to interview witnesses, including teachers at Skyline Elementary and employees of Fred Meyer, Magic Cleaners and 24-hour Fitness. They will not be allowed to question Skyline students.

<snipped>

http://www.kgw.com/news/Judge-Terri-Hormans-lawyers-cannot-subpoena-lead-investgator-223927381.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 23, 2013, 11:39:42 AM
In a June 5, 2010 email ...Terri fails to mention her stop Magic Cleaners.  Why?

Janet

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TERRI HORMAN - IN HER OWN WORDS

Terri Horman e-mails: 'They are blaming me'
Story Published: Aug 9, 2010 at 11:14 PM PDT
Story Updated: Aug 10, 2010 at 1:09 PM PDT

 
PORTLAND, Ore. - Long before the alleged murder-for-hire plot and sexting affairs, it seems Terri Moulton Horman knew suspicions settled on her, according to e-mails written by Horman and obtained by KATU News.

“They are blaming me in the blogs. I just want to scream,” she wrote in one e-mail to a KATU News source the day after her stepson, Kyron Horman vanished from Skyline School during a science fair.  Investigators say Terri Horman was the last person to see Kyron.

“The teacher thought I said I was going to take Kyron with Kitty for a doctor’s appt.,” she wrote on June 5, 2010. “I said I was going to look at other exhibits - how do you mess that up? His coat and backpack were still at school. I left the school at 9 and he was seen with a man ‘chaperone’ and 2 girls after I left. There were no men on the chaperone list. That and it was highly chaotic - had to been 300 people running around - no coordination ...”

The reference to the doctor visit not mentioned again in a follow-up e-mail sent later that day:

"I didn't just drop him off, I spent time with him, took pictures and he was in safe hands I thought as I watched him walk down the hall.

“Kids saw him after I left. Teacher put him as absent at 10am. Someplace between 9-10 is when we think it happened.

"I have a receipt showing I was checking out at Fred Meyer 7 miles away at 9:12am. I went to another FM looking for meds for Kitty they didn't have at the first FM. Then I was trying to get Kitty to sleep in the truck for a few minutes, but no go, so off to the gym at 11:20. Out at 12:20. Home at 12:45. Kaine home at 2. Bus at 3:30. That was my day - they keep asking me. Now on my 5th interview with them ..."

Horman went on to talk about Kyron’s recent behavior.

"The past 2 weeks he's been acting really weird. Staring off into space. Can't remember anything. Walks into the room and then back out, stopping to stare and then move on. The doc thinks that he is having mini seizures and I made an appt on Thursday for next Friday to have him checked out."

That contradicts what multiple sources have told KATU News. In the days before the science fair, Terri informed Kyron’s teacher he had the appointment that day, June 4, which is why no one expected he would be in class and was marked absent.

<snipped>

http://www.katu.com/news/local/100323934.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 23, 2013, 11:37:30 PM
Desiree Young drops suit against Terri Horman
Published: Tuesday, July 30, 2013, 11:36 AM PDT


<snipped>

"Ky, it has been three years since you were taken from me, and every day that you are not here safe in my arms is another day of agonizing torture," a sobbing Young said. " The deafening silence in the house is just too much for me. Please know that no matter what happens, I will fight for you to the end of time."

<snipped>

http://www.koin.com/news/multnomah-county/desiree-young-drops-suit-against-terri-horman


(http://imgick.oregonlive.com/home/olive-media/pgmain/img/oregonian/photo/2013/07/-1d7ba53d34bf8621.JPG)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2013, 03:50:57 PM
When DA Don Ree's words are taken into consideration ... it makes sense to me if Porter, Mathews and/or Hall revealed to investigators that Kyron was last seen by someone other than Terri on the morning of June 4, 2010 ... Desiree and Kaine would not have been kept in the dark ... would not have been focusing on Terri for over three years in their desperate quest for answers encompassing the disappearance of their son.

Janet

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Judge to rule by Monday on what discovery Terri Horman can obtain prior to divorce, child custody hearing
September 13, 2013 at 1:24 PM
updated September 24, 2013 at 8:53 AM


Court records indicate that Terri Horman's lawyers subpoenaed O'Donnell, as well as three Skyline School employees  Kyron's second-grade teacher Kristine Porter, kindergarten/first grade teacher Easter Mathews and school secretary Susan Hall. They subpoenaed to depose three children who attended Skyline School, and staff of Fred Meyer, Magic Cleaners and 24 Hour Fitness.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/09/judge_to_rule_by_monday_on_wha.html


Kaine Horman wants Kyron records from Terri
Posted on October 9, 2013 at 6:07 AM
Updated Wednesday, Oct 9 at 11:06 AM


<snipped.

The court documents indicate Kaine Horman's lawyer requested information from Terri Horman on the person or persons "you contend have knowledge that Terri Horman was not the last person to see Kyron Horman on June 4, 2010 at Skyline School."

http://www.kgw.com/news/Legal-fight-in-Horman-divorce-heats-up--226998691.html


Attorneys for Kaine Horman and Terri Horman continue to argue over who can ask what in depositions
October 08, 2013 at 8:30 AM
updated October 08, 2013 at 1:47 PM

<snipped>

Chief Deputy District Attorney Don Rees has filed a separate motion to limit Terri Horman's deposition of Kaine Horman.

Because Kaine Horman is the victim of "an apparent crime against his own child,'' he has a legal right to information about his missing son, Rees argued.[/col

"The fact that law enforcement has necessarily conveyed this information to Kaine Horman does not waive the longstanding and well-recognized privileged and confidential nature of information relating to a pending criminal investigation,'' Rees wrote.

Kaine Horman should be prohibited from answering any questions about law enforcement methods used to investigate his son's disappearance, physical evidence gathered, witness statements or questions asked by law enforcement, or whether he has testified before a grand jury, Rees wrote.

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/10/attorneys_for_kaine_horman_and.html

http://www.scribd.com/doc/174592563/Horman-Divorce-Court-Docs


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2013, 04:14:55 PM

When DA Don Ree's words are taken into consideration ... it makes sense to me if Porter, Mathews and/or Hall revealed to investigators that Kyron was last seen by someone other than Terri on the morning of June 4, 2010 ... Desiree and Kaine would not have been kept in the dark ... would not have been focusing on Terri for over three years in their desperate quest for answers encompassing the disappearance of their son.

Janet

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Judge to rule by Monday on what discovery Terri Horman can obtain prior to divorce, child custody hearing
September 13, 2013 at 1:24 PM
updated September 24, 2013 at 8:53 AM


Court records indicate that Terri Horman's lawyers subpoenaed O'Donnell, as well as three Skyline School employees  Kyron's second-grade teacher Kristine Porter, kindergarten/first grade teacher Easter Mathews and school secretary Susan Hall. They subpoenaed to depose three children who attended Skyline School, and staff of Fred Meyer, Magic Cleaners and 24 Hour Fitness.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/09/judge_to_rule_by_monday_on_wha.html


Kaine Horman wants Kyron records from Terri
Posted on October 9, 2013 at 6:07 AM
Updated Wednesday, Oct 9 at 11:06 AM


<snipped.

The court documents indicate Kaine Horman's lawyer requested information from Terri Horman on the person or persons "you contend have knowledge that Terri Horman was not the last person to see Kyron Horman on June 4, 2010 at Skyline School."

http://www.kgw.com/news/Legal-fight-in-Horman-divorce-heats-up--226998691.html


Attorneys for Kaine Horman and Terri Horman continue to argue over who can ask what in depositions
October 08, 2013 at 8:30 AM
updated October 08, 2013 at 1:47 PM


<snipped>

Chief Deputy District Attorney Don Rees has filed a separate motion to limit Terri Horman's deposition of Kaine Horman.

Because Kaine Horman is the victim of "an apparent crime against his own child,'' he has a legal right to information about his missing son, Rees argued.

"The fact that law enforcement has necessarily conveyed this information to Kaine Horman does not waive the longstanding and well-recognized privileged and confidential nature of information relating to a pending criminal investigation,'' Rees wrote.

Kaine Horman should be prohibited from answering any questions about law enforcement methods used to investigate his son's disappearance, physical evidence gathered, witness statements or questions asked by law enforcement, or whether he has testified before a grand jury, Rees wrote.

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/10/attorneys_for_kaine_horman_and.html

http://www.scribd.com/doc/174592563/Horman-Divorce-Court-Docs


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2013, 04:16:37 PM
Klaas/Mods

Please delete post #675.  I mess up with the highlighting.  Thanks.

Janet


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2013, 10:54:32 PM
Letter from Desiree Young to Her Missing Son Kyron
June 22, 2010


Dear Kyron,

I am so soooooo sorry that this has happened. I am sorry that I was not there to protect you. I will never be able to forgive myself for being so many hours away when you needed me the most. I pray that you come back to me because I am afraid that I can't live without you. I miss you every second of every day. I would give my life for yours, I just want you back safe. You must come back to us. We have so many things that we have planned this summer that you are going to love. Quinn loves you so much and wants you home too. All of the family is here and wants you to know just how much they miss you. Mayson is terribly sad without his best friend to play with and wants you home soon.

When you come home I will show you all of things that everyone did for you, just to find you. There are literally hundreds of thousands of people that don't know you and yet they pray for you every night. They know how much I miss you and need you and they just want to bring you home to me. There are so many wonderful people working on this case and they are going to find you soon.

I would give anything to run my fingers through your short hair again. I miss having you to hug anytime I want. Night time is always hard for me. I miss you so much and want you back here so that I can protect you from all of the horrible things in this world. I just can't believe that you aren't still with us. Your life has been really great and I know that it is done yet. A long time ago you saved my life and now I am going to do the same for you. Our lives will never be the same after this.

I love you very much!

Momma

http://abcnews.go.com/US/letter-kyron-hormans-mom-desiree-young-son/story?id=10980291


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 25, 2013, 02:48:25 PM

Kyron Horman investigators ask public to help track white pickup Terri Horman drove
August 11, 2010 at 1:35 PM
updated August 17, 2010 at 8:08 AM


Multnomah County Chief Deputy District Attorney Rod Underhill said a witness, or witnesses, have reported seeing someone else by the Hormans' extended-cab pickup while it was parked in front of the school between 8:15 a.m. and 8:45 a.m. on June 4, the day Kyron disappeared.

Authorities are seeking to identify the person, or persons, who may have been spotted by the truck as it was parked outside the school's front fence in the shoulder of Northwest Skyline Boulevard. Someone possibly moved the pickup and parked it up a gravel path in front of the school's playground while Terri Moulton Horman was inside the school with her stepson for his science fair.

Underhill said investigators want to identify anybody "in or in immediate proximity to that truck."

<snipped>

The appeal to the public comes as investigators continue to try to determine the whereabouts of Terri Moulton Horman and her friend DeDe Spicher during overlapping hours on the day Kyron disappeared.

Investigators and prosecutors have not named Terri Horman or Spicher as suspects in the case and are going to great lengths to avoid mentioning their names in public. But their actions show investigators remain intently focused on their every move the day Kyron disappeared. Last weekend, they distributed a flier with photos of both women to residents along Northwest Old Germantown Road, seeking any tips on whether the two women, or the Horman truck, were seen in the area between 9:45 a.m. and 1 p.m. on June 4.

<snipped>
 
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/kyron_horman_case_investigator.html


(http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/photo/flyerjpg-1865fa1091c1d178.jpg)



The following is a revised theory/timeline which omits the existence of an alleged red mustang sighting on Sauvie Island on the morning of June 4, 2010 ... an alleged red mustang sighting connected to the disappearance of Kyron.

Janet

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THE DISAPPEARANCE OF KYRON - A THEORY IN A TIMELINE

Friday, June 4, 2010


07:50 AM - (Horman Residence, 15725 NW Sheltered Nook Rd, Portland, OR 97231)  Terri leaves home with Kyron and Kiara in Kaine's pick up truck.  Terri claims the pick up truck is required that day to bring Kyron's science project home from school.  Terri picks up DeDe at a location close to Skyline Elementary. DeDe's pick up truck is parked out of sight.

08:00 AM - (Skyline Elementary, 11536 NW Skyline Blvd, Portland, OR 97231)  Terri, Kiara, Kyron and DeDe arrive at Skyline Elementary.  Terri parks in front of the school.  DeDe and Kiara remain with the vehicle.  Terri and Kyron head directly to the classroom where photos of Kyron and Kurtis are taken with their respective science projects.  A male captured along with a little girl in the photo of Kyron could verify time.  Upon exiting the classroom ...Kyron's jacket and backpack are purposely left behind on his desk.  Meanwhile ... DeDe moves Terri's pick up truck from the front of the school to a back exit?

08:20 AM -  After leaving the classroom Kyron is immediately slipped unnoticed out of school by Terri through a back exit to the waiting pick up truck.  Terri drives DeDe a short distance to pick up her vehicle.
 
Driving Time: 10 minutes

08:35 AM - (40 Acre Property, 13000 Northwest Old Germantown Road, Portland, OR)  Terri follows DeDe to her place of employment. DeDe parks her vehicle in a visible location and makes her presence known.  DeDe leaves property unnoticed  in Terri's pick up truck.

Driving Time: 20 minutes

09:00 AM - (Fred Myers, 11425 SW Beaverton-Hillsdale Hwy  Beaverton, OR 97005)  Terri claims to possess a 9:12 AM timed receipt.  DeDe and Kyron remain in the pick-up truck.  Where's Kiara?

Driving Time: 10 minutes

09:30 AM - (Fred Meyers, 15995 SW Walker Rd, Beaverton, OR 97006)  Terri has an encounter with Andrea Leckey allegedly between 9:30 AM and 10:00 AM while holding Kiara.  Kyron and DeDe remain in the pick up truck. 

00:00 AM - (Magic Cleaners, 16035 SW Walker Rd  Beaverton, OR 97006)  Store owner reveals in a media interview that Terri was in the establishment alone.  No Kiara.  DeDe, Kiara and Kyron remain in the pick up truck.

Driving Time: 40 minutes

10:45 AM - (Sauvie Island Bridge) Records reveal pings from Terri's cell phone that originate on Sauvie Island.  Kyron is handed over to DeDe's former child advocate boyfriend or Kaine's high school friend or the landscaper or ...

Driving time: 40 minutes

11:40 AM - (24 Hour Fitness, 1265 NW Waterhouse Avenue Beaverton, OR 97006)  Terri arrives at Gym.  DeDe remains in the vehicle.  Where's Kiara?

Driving Time: 20 minutes

01:00 PM - (40 Acre Property, 13000 Northwest Old Germantown Road, Portland, OR) Terri drives DeDe back to 40 acre property where DeDe makes her presence known.  When questioned regarding her absence ... DeDe insists she had been on the property all morning.

Driving Time: 15 minutes

01:15 PM - (Horman Residence - 15725 NW Sheltered Nook Rd, Portland, OR 97231) Terri returns home with Kiara.  Terri emails photo of Kyron taken earlier to contacts.

02:00 PM - Terri does not attend the talent show at Skyline ... the talent show that Kyron is a scheduled participant.  Terri does not bring home Kyron's science project?


TIME FRAME: APPROXMATELY 4 HOURS

ACCUMULATED DRIVING TIME - APPROXIMATELY 2 1/2 HOURS


Accumulated backup articles, documents, transcripts and videos are available upon request.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 25, 2013, 03:30:37 PM

The following is a revised theory/timeline which omits the existence of an alleged red mustang sighting on Sauvie Island on the morning of June 4, 2010 ... an alleged red mustang sighting connected to the disappearance of Kyron.

Janet

++++


THE DISAPPEARANCE OF KYRON - A THEORY IN A TIMELINE

Friday, June 4, 2010


07:50 AM - (Horman Residence, 15725 NW Sheltered Nook Rd, Portland, OR 97231)  Terri leaves home with Kyron and Kiara in Kaine's pick up truck.  Terri claims the pick up truck is required that day to bring Kyron's science project home from school.  Terri picks up DeDe at a location close to Skyline Elementary. DeDe's pick up truck is parked out of sight.

08:00 AM - (Skyline Elementary, 11536 NW Skyline Blvd, Portland, OR 97231)  Terri, Kiara, Kyron and DeDe arrive at Skyline Elementary.  Terri parks in front of the school.  DeDe and Kiara remain with the vehicle.  Terri and Kyron head directly to the classroom where photos of Kyron and Kurtis are taken with their respective science projects.  A male captured along with a little girl in the photo of Kyron could verify time.  Upon exiting the classroom ...Kyron's jacket and backpack are purposely left behind on his desk.  Meanwhile ... DeDe moves Terri's pick up truck from the front of the school to a back exit?

08:20 AM -  After leaving the classroom Kyron is immediately slipped unnoticed out of school by Terri through a back exit to the waiting pick up truck.  Terri drives DeDe a short distance to pick up her vehicle.
 
Driving Time: 10 minutes

08:35 AM - (40 Acre Property, 13000 Northwest Old Germantown Road, Portland, OR)  Terri follows DeDe to her place of employment. DeDe parks her vehicle in a visible location and makes her presence known.  DeDe leaves property unnoticed  in Terri's pick up truck.

Driving Time: 20 minutes

09:00 AM - (Fred Myers, 11425 SW Beaverton-Hillsdale Hwy  Beaverton, OR 97005)  Terri claims to possess a 9:12 AM timed receipt.  DeDe and Kyron remain in the pick-up truck.  Where's Kiara?

Driving Time: 10 minutes

09:30 AM - (Fred Meyers, 15995 SW Walker Rd, Beaverton, OR 97006)  Terri has an encounter with Andrea Leckey allegedly between 9:30 AM and 10:00 AM while holding Kiara.  Kyron and DeDe remain in the pick up truck. 

00:00 AM - (Magic Cleaners, 16035 SW Walker Rd  Beaverton, OR 97006)  Store owner reveals in a media interview that Terri was in the establishment alone.  No Kiara.  DeDe, Kiara and Kyron remain in the pick up truck.

Driving Time: 40 minutes

10:45 AM - (Sauvie Island Bridge) Records reveal pings from Terri's cell phone that originate on Sauvie Island.  Kyron is handed over to DeDe's former child advocate boyfriend or Kaine's high school friend or the landscaper or ...

Driving time: 40 minutes

11:40 AM - (24 Hour Fitness, 1265 NW Waterhouse Avenue Beaverton, OR 97006)  Terri arrives at Gym.  DeDe remains in the vehicle.  Where's Kiara?

Driving Time: 20 minutes

01:00 PM - (40 Acre Property, 13000 Northwest Old Germantown Road, Portland, OR) Terri drives DeDe back to 40 acre property where DeDe makes her presence known.  When questioned regarding her absence ... DeDe insists she had been on the property all morning.

Driving Time: 15 minutes

01:15 PM - (Horman Residence - 15725 NW Sheltered Nook Rd, Portland, OR 97231) Terri returns home with Kiara.  Terri emails photo of Kyron taken earlier to contacts.

02:00 PM - Terri does not attend the talent show at Skyline ... the talent show that Kyron is a scheduled participant.  Terri does not bring home Kyron's science project?


TIME FRAME: APPROXMATELY 4 HOURS

ACCUMULATED DRIVING TIME - APPROXIMATELY 2 1/2 HOURS


Accumulated backup articles, documents, transcripts and videos are available upon request.



If Desiree and Tony's words in the Dateline interview reflected what was learned from LE ... it makes perfect sense why the investigation has been focused on Terri for the past three years and ... why the focus of Kyron's parents has not taken them in another direction in their desperate search for answers.  It also makes perfect sense why Terri retained an attorney and quit talking to investigators early on and ... why she is citing the Fifth in both the custody and divorce proceedings.

Janet

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Little Boy Lost
Dateline NBC
By Kate Snow
updated 7/26/2010 6:51:10 PM ET


TRANSCRIPT

<snipped>

Tony and Desiree say the biggest question marks revolved around Terri's whereabouts that morning that Kyron went missing.

DESIREE YOUNG: She couldn't explain to them for about two hours worth of time where she was or what she was doing.

And there was something else that gave Desiree and Tony a sinking feeling that something wasn't right. They say Terri's cell phone records apparently didn't match up with where she said she was on the morning of Kyron's disappearance.

TONY YOUNG: That to me is strike two. That's huge… There's starting to be some structural problems with what she's saying at that point. And then it continues to stack up.

<snipped>

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/38420266/ns/dateline_nbc-crime_reports/t/little-boy-lost/#.UlyvjlCkpzM

(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRSmFN_eZEn4HJ5Ju2iPD_1uxbBxrU-p5q13dQWZtOUu1d_ozj2)



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 26, 2013, 11:55:29 AM

Would working out without the use of steroids create the muscle mass revealed in the following image?  Could it be that Terri was experiencing some of the psychological side effects associated with steroid use ... steroid withdrawal?  Think about it.  There was only a month between the body building contest that Terri entered and the disappearance of Kyron?

Janet

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(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ZBAfG3cn30k/TDEGVQMNY6I/AAAAAAAAAXk/F1gLkF5wsKQ/s1600/terri_2Bhorman_2Bbody_2Bbuilding.jpg)


Terri Moulton Horman: Kyron Horman's stepmother is a profile in contradictions
on August 19, 2010 at 10:30 PM
updated August 15, 2012 at 1:12


<snipped>

In 2005, she started going to the gym again, transforming her body into a mass of muscle to compete in a bodybuilding championship.

Kaine said he noticed a sharp shift in her behavior, saying she became self-centered and short-tempered.

"She's not eating a lot of food, she's exercising twice a day, she's up at 4 o'clock in the morning, she's not sleeping at night so we get just general irritable behavior towards everyone around her," he said.

He said she consumed over-the-counter stimulants, such as fat burners, in high doses. In four months between January and April, she shed 62 pounds, dropping from 185 to 123 pounds, he said.

At the end of April, with her muscles bulked up and skin glistening with a bronze tan, she competed in the Emerald Cup bodybuilding competition in Bellevue, Wash.

Clad in shimmering green and purple bikinis with her hair done up in a tumble of curls, she took fourth place in the master's category for women over 35.

But Terri's enthusiasm for the sport waned.

"She competed in one contest and that was the end of her bodybuilding," Kaine said.

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 26, 2013, 06:08:44 PM
WHAT STEROIDS DO TO A BODY

Psychological Side Effects of Steroids

* edginess, impatience, paranoid feelings

* severe mood swings including depression

* obsession with body image, having to work out, and food

* angry and violent outbursts known as "roid rage"

<snipped>

http://www.peelregion.ca/health/commhlth/bodyimg/steroid.htm


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 26, 2013, 09:55:47 PM
Emotional Side Effects of Steroids
May 3, 2010


<snipped>

The most severe and unexpected side effects that come from steroid use are emotional.

Impulses

Steroid usage can lead to an increase in impulses. These impulses can lead to dangerous activities such as other drug use and taking unnecessary risks. The steroid user may notice that they are more impulsive than normal and try to offset this by using depressants such as alcohol to combat this side effect. In addition, these impulses can lead to what is known as "roid rage." This phenomenon is the quick anger that is often seen in steroid users. The steroid user may become very angry over insignificant events. ...

Mania

Mania is an additional side effect of steroid usage. When a steroid user experiences mania they are losing touch with reality. The loss of reality can result in the user doing things that they would normally avoid such as theft and other illegal activities. Mania can cause the user to be in a better-than-normal mood, despite their circumstances, or to be extremely irritable. Mania can also lead to delusions or hallucinations.

Depression

Depression can result from withdrawal from the drug and can be severe enough to lead to suicide. ...

<snipped>

http://www.livestrong.com/article/115885-emotional-side-effects-steroids/


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 27, 2013, 04:49:52 PM
Steriods?  Supplements?  Working out?

Janet

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EXHIBIT 1: 1/17 - 2/17

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06/30/2010

Terri Horman: Men dont approach me they know I can outbench them Do u know I have never dated anyone I couldnt bench their weight

Michael Cook: I weigh about 180

Terri: I can do 195

Michael: I'm speechless

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http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/redacted-text-messages.PDF


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 28, 2013, 01:56:27 AM
MICHAEL COOK

Kyron's father wants step-mom Terri to leave home sooner
Posted on July 15, 2010 at 8:36 AM
Updated Thursday, Jul 15 at 6:09 PM


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Kaine also recently filed papers to have Terri held in contempt of court and accused her of violating a sealed restraining order.  That court motion also detailed an alleged sexual affair with one of Kaine's high school classmates, and a reported attempt to "abduct" the couple's young daughter Kiara.

Kaine Horman's attorney Laura Rackner asked a judge to hold Terri Moulton Horman in contempt of court for showing a then-sealed restraining order to Michael Cook.

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The filing alleges that Terri took the restraining order to Cook's home, where she showed him the document and allowed him to take cell phone photos of the document, which included Kaine's new address. He shared information from the restraining order with at least two other unidentified people, according to the court document.

The filing also stated that a police search of Cook's phone found that Cook had done a Google search to map Kaine's new address but that he told police he did not go to the residence.

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The motion also states police told Kaine that Terri exchanged hundred of text messages with Cook and several photographs of Terri Horman "in various stages of undress and graphic sexual activity." According to the filing, the "sexual nature" of the relationship between Cook and Terri Horman began on or about June 30, four days after Kaine Horman moved out of the family's Northwest Portland home.

Cook was a high school classmate of Kaine Horman, and also helped organize the first vigil for missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman.
 
Similarities to Murder-for-Hire plot

Monday's court filing also stated that police had told Kaine that Terri's "sexual overtures to Mr. Cook resemble those made to the man Respondent (Terri Horman) attempted to hire to murder Petitioner (Kaine)."

In the original restraining order filing, Kaine stated that police had told him Terri had tried to hire a landscaper to kill Kaine.
 
Cook denies sexual relations

In an interview with KGW on Monday, Cook admitted that he had used his cell phone to photograph the sealed restraining order, and that he had engaged in "sexting" with Terri Horman

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http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Court-doc-Kaine-Terri-Horman-kyron-horman-contempt-sexting-98270654.html

http://images.bimedia.net/documents/horman-affair.pdf


Little Boy Lost
NBC News
updated 7/26/2010 6:51:10 PM ET


TRANSCRIPT

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KATE SNOW: When you heard there were these new court documents and they say that she developed this relationship with this man, that they were sexting, texting each other—you roll your eyes.

DESIREE YOUNG: Yeah, I'm sorry. I guess, to say it tactfully, it goes to someone's character if you're doing something like that. I mean, it's disgusting.

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http://www.today.com/id/38420266/ns/today-today_news/t/little-boy-lost/#.UmHl6lCkpzM


The Redacted Texts

http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/redacted-text-messages.PD


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 28, 2013, 02:09:38 AM
MICHAEL COOK

Kaine Horman calls his estranged wife 'severely emotionally disturbed,' releases more texts between Terri Horman and Michael Cook
October 25, 2010 at 5:00 PM
updated October 26, 2010 at 6:02 PM


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"I believe that Respondent has harmed or secreted Kyron,'' Kaine Horman wrote in an affidavit filed today.''

He included as exhibits back-and-forth text messages between Terri Horman and his high school friend, Michael Cook, in which his estranged wife wonders if she's "going to get any ever again....," and sent photos of her breast and of her masturbating.

"It is deeply concerning that while Kyron was missing and the media was trying to assist us, Respondent was engaged in such behavior,'' Kaine Horman wrote in his affidavit.

Kaine Horman said the text messages continued after she was forced out of their home on Northwest Sheltered Nook Road.

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In text messages from June 30 through July 6 to Cook, Terri Horman referred to her criminal defense lawyer Stephen Houze as "Steve aka lawyer extrordainairre'' (sic). On July 3, she texted about the use of a "clean phone" to avoid monitoring by law enforcement, and on July 6, went to Cook's house, later telling him to lie for her or she would "get in trouble,'' Kaine Horman says in the affidavit.

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http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/10/kaine_horman_calls_his_estrang.html

http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/petition.PDF


The Redacted Texts

http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/redacted-text-messages.PDF


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
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Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
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Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
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Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
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Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 28, 2013, 04:30:21 PM
I read the redacted transcript of the sexting between Terri Horman and Michael Cook's high school friend and ... something akin to Desiree Young I was was also disgusted ... disgusted beyond words.  Think about it.  The day the sexting originated Kyron had been missing for only three weeks ... Kaine had taken Kiara from the home four days earlier and ... Terri had been served with a restraining order within the past two days.

There are those who speculate that the sexting resulted from sting operation set up by Kaine and/or LE using Michael Cook ... a sting operation to obtain information from Terri.  Following the reading of the redacted transcript ... I am inclined to believe that speculation regarding a sting operation may reflect the truth.  Nevertheless ... I find nothing wrong with this tactic.  Past sting operations have been given the thumbs up ... past sting operations involving those perceived through the gathering of incriminating circumstantial evidence to be persons of interest in crime.

Whether I am right or wrong in my contention that Terri is the first link in the chain of events behind the disappearance of Kyron ... her actions and words while sexting on June 30, 2010 imply beyond a doubt that she has ice running through her veins ... she has no concept of empathy ... she is impulsive ... she lacks judgement ... she is all about self.  IMO

Janet


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 28, 2013, 06:06:52 PM

Kaine Horman calls his estranged wife 'severely emotionally disturbed,' releases more texts between Terri Horman and Michael Cook
October 25, 2010 at 5:00 PM
updated October 26, 2010 at 6:02 PM


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"I believe that Respondent has harmed or secreted Kyron,'' Kaine Horman wrote in an affidavit filed today.''

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http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/10/kaine_horman_calls_his_estrang.html

http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/petition.PDF




Could it be that DeDe's child-advocate ex-boyfriend may be a link in a small chain of participants who had involvement in the disappearance of Kyron on the morning of June 4, 2010 ... DeDe's child-advocate ex-boybried who has family connections to a children's ministry in Mexico ... DeDe's child-advocate ex-boyfriend whose father is currently in prison on a child pornography conviction?

Could it be that through a warped sense of loyalty for Terri Horman ... DeDe contacted her child-advocate ex-boyfriend who had connections that could abet in the quest to disappear a little boy?

Could the implication be that Kyron Horman is alive?

Why did Desiree's attorney question DeDe in regards to her former boyfriend in the lawsuit deposition?  What dots were being connected?

Janet

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http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/jasonw.pdf

http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/DeDe-watermarked-1.pdf




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #44 4/11/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 29, 2013, 03:50:54 PM
IF Kyron was observed by any person following Terri's departure from the the school prior to the 8:45 AM final bell ... it would make sense that two weeks into the disappearance that investigators