Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007

[carpe noctem]

Let's see...

Driving a Jetski in Aruba...

Isn't that kinda like lighting up a siggy on the Space Shuttle?

[Cat]

Just a random idea.Freddy is the Elder pimp,porn maker,south American..Hmmm Why only look at older adults,for Elder.Freddy could have turned the film from regular porn(rape,Bondage,Etc) to a snuff film and  gotten it out,imo I do see an Agatha Christie film involving joran someday,you know The Oriental Express.I had Shango Dreams last night,must have been the minnows,CAT

[Cat]

Oh Miss Lilly Carter had a great T-Shirt for Anita and Nadira-I should Have stayed a Virgin.CAT

[San]

Just a random idea.Freddy is the Elder pimp,porn maker,south American..Hmmm Why only look at older adults,for Elder.Freddy could have turned the film from regular porn(rape,Bondage,Etc) to a snuff film and  gotten it out,imo I do see an Agatha Christie film involving joran someday,you know The Oriental Express.I had Shango Dreams last night,must have been the minnows,CAT

I agree with you Peaches.  Freddy is up to his eyeballs in what happened to Natalee.

Paulus Van der Sloot was the one who got everyone an attorney that first week including Freddy.  No need for an attorney if you aren't going to be suspected of something.

The two people we have not seen statements from are Guido and Freddy.

[San]

Just a random idea.Freddy is the Elder pimp,porn maker,south American..Hmmm Why only look at older adults,for Elder.Freddy could have turned the film from regular porn(rape,Bondage,Etc) to a snuff film and  gotten it out,imo I do see an Agatha Christie film involving joran someday,you know The Oriental Express.I had Shango Dreams last night,must have been the minnows,CAT

I agree with you Peaches.  Freddy is up to his eyeballs in what happened to Natalee.

Paulus Van der Sloot was the one who got everyone an attorney that first week including Freddy.  No need for an attorney if you aren't going to be suspected of something.

The two people we have not seen statements from are Guido and Freddy.

Oops I'm sorry I wrote Peaches instead of Cat.  Sorry Cat.

[carpe noctem]

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A RIGHT ARM AND HAND


MARRIOTT BASIN

[carpe noctem]

ALTERNATE VIEW

TONED DOWN



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....AND


BLACK AND WHITE with guides


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[Buckeye]

A long time ago, Anita released home movies with the kids playing soccer, etc.  They were chatting with each other, on film, in English, with plenty of slang. Even little Sebastian. These "home" movies were old. IMO, the notes are Joran's, written in English.  The home movies, the ISA website, the tickle and zorpia, etc sites were all in English.  The kids think in English, NOT Dutch.  They spoke Dutch for Medley, the same reason they spoke Dutch or papiem to Natalee.  They didn't want either of them to understand what they were saying. Maybe they should have had a US English major teach the "AP English" class...or perhaps they did, but Joran, the sporter,  was permitted to slide. Mom comes through again.  

[San]

A long time ago, Anita released home movies with the kids playing soccer, etc.  They were chatting with each other, on film, in English, with plenty of slang. Even little Sebastian. These "home" movies were old. IMO, the notes are Joran's, written in English.  The home movies, the ISA website, the tickle and zorpia, etc sites were all in English.  The kids think in English, NOT Dutch.  They spoke Dutch for Medley, the same reason they spoke Dutch or papiem to Natalee.  They didn't want either of them to understand what they were saying. Maybe they should have had a US English major teach the "AP English" class...or perhaps they did, but Joran, the sporter,  was permitted to slide. Mom comes through again.  

You hit the nail right on the head Buckeye.

[nonesuche]

that buckeye is a smart one......good recall too !

San look what I found   it's you, even that hair, I know you've always been a radical at heart  

[Nut44x4]

OK, I'm sorry but Medleyrelay really sets herself up for this.  She just responded to someone questioning what language Joran would speak in at home, thus probably write his diary in.  Keep in mind that Medley did go to Aruba around the time of Joran's birthday and did meet the family

Medleyrelay wrote:

Yes they do!!! almost all the time!!!  Even with an English speaking person right there, the are usually speaking Dutch!


This is what I pictured  

  I rotfflmaoooooo!! You may have hit the nail on the head! You crack me up! Loveeeeee it! Happy Easter 2 all Monkeysss!

[Buckeye]

that buckeye is a smart one......good recall too !

San look what I found   it's you, even that hair, I know you've always been a radical at heart  

Oh my gosh...that's exactly how I see San....

[San]

that buckeye is a smart one......good recall too !

San look what I found   it's you, even that hair, I know you've always been a radical at heart  

Oh my gosh...that's exactly how I see San....

Now if I can only be that skinny

[Cat]

With those ole pistols,you are as skinny as you want to be,San.I think you are skinny.I don't mind being called other smarter monkeys,because it is a compliment.Why do always assume the Elders in Shango are a lot older.The Ottoman Empire was toppled by Younger and wiser Turks,for example.CAT

[greeneyedlady]

Something interesting to re-read,someone reposted this on Freebird earlier...ahh the memories...lol..and SandraK seems to be in the middle of a lot of the drama,doesn't she?
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Maybe this is where all this came from. I found this at FOB - but it originally was on RU. Possible that this is where the notes have been - mentions all the "suspects" ref the transcripts.


Stinky Pete Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 10:42 am

STINKY SMELLS A RAT

For a woman who claims to be in the know, you could not be further from the truth. The question then becomes, are you lying on purpose or just sadly misinformed.

STINKY PETE aka ME, opened, upon the closure of RU, a small ultra private forum as a repository for information gathered by a few trusted sources.

NO ONE was invited to join that I did not have a long-standing and very trusting relationship with, and absolutely no one was asked for private information. I don't give a SHIT who you are in real life as long as you produce. Anyone who asserts something to the contrary is either lying or misinformed. Only those persons with access to information that was instrumental to the case were invovled. PERIOD. No one else, it's not a chat forum, it's for information compilation.

ONE trusted, VERY trusted member of my site has sadly become involved with TRIXIE who is currently scrambling to cover her ass and preserve her cover. It is apparently working on many people, but this old coot has seen one too many screw ups and lies by TRIXIE to be fooled.

Another very trusted member of my research group has been termed a MOLE by Trixie. Interesting, since my close asscociate has SOLELY worked with me in producing important information seeking JUSTICE for Joran and the K2 brothers and exposing the TWITS for what they are. A MOLE FOR WHAT AND WHO???? J2K???

Why would TRIXIE who is masquarading as a person seeking justice, attack someone closely associated with me as a MOLE. I got one thing to say about that, my pappy used to say that when you point a finger at someone you got FOUR POINTING RIGHT BACK AT YOU.

I got plenty to say on the subject, primarily the stupidity surrounding the LION'S DEN expose done by CLASSEN INVESTIGATIONS, a group TRIXIE has formerly associate herself and the idiotic insistance that that place is in any way sinister. I have never seen a bigger goat roping in my entire career. It's a collection of stupid in the largest possible way, they don't think.....in a way it is reverse kool-aid drinking.

As for the attacks on Sandrak by TRIXIE and the infantile lockouts...I must say I am MORE than profoundly disapointed in a person I truly trusted and thought the world of..her actions and associations in this whole mess are a source of sorrow for me. I adore Sandrak, and yes I know all the stories. I keep my fingers in all the pies. Has Sandrak told me she is Lorenzo's mother? Yes. Do I know or care what Sandrak's real name is or where she really lives? Do I give a flipping shit? Is it germain to what I am doing? NO. Thus I fail to see the interest in sandrak...except for ONE REASON and one reason ONLY. LORENZO VAN RINJI is the ONLY PERSON that HMI has not been able to pin down, the ONLY person they have not been able to openly defame or flame or gather information on. Sandrak and myself have both been the targets of that loonytune KATH'S vicious PMs (as vicious as a stupid woman can get I suppose). Taunting and threatening over this poor Aruban lad.

IF ANYONE is after Sandrak, it is SOLELY because they feel she is involved in some way with Lorenzo (honey it's your own fault ) and they are after LORENZO, thus anyone who is after or seeking information on LORENZO is patently HMI because those who are in the know, understand there isn't anything remotely interesting about LORENZO.

As for my little and I do mean LITTLE tiny information storage area open to ONLY those I have worked CLOSELY with gathering information (not sharing, not anything, but working) I have had people I barely know try to join and seem miffed, I have also had people I think a lot of ask me about it and every one has gotten the same answer, STINKY IS CLOSED except to information providers. It is not a forum, it is not a gossip corner...well I did have to make a place for a sweetie to complain (if I have to be honest).

I am PROFOUNDLY disapointed that someone I trusted implicitly has gone over to what I KNOW is the other side..the DARK SIDE. Think of it, someone I trusted implicitly is "turnable" then maybe I was wise to keep things small and on the QT. I sincerely hope that the person who was "turned" has kept her counsel on what is in the information pile, but having watched this horrible mess unfold my hope is not strong.

When people cannot keep their word it hurts not only them, but others. It is a character issue of the utmost importance. Ethics, morals, and other high ideals are as important to an individual as they are to humans as a whole, and when someone lets us down in this way it is very difficult to bear. A person who does not keep his or her word ain't worth jack SHIT to anyone.

There would be NO NEED for a heated exchange forum if people observed basic moral and ethical behavior, and it appalls me that i had to come here and BOTHER with a liar because my character and the nature of what I am "up to" have been impinged. Seriously ladies, get a )#(%&$ LIFE.

More to come. An expose on the HMI lies surrounding the LION'S DEN BULLSHIT.

And NO Pausebreak did not get a deed for STINKY PETE, I DON'T GIVE A SHIT where Sandrak lives. She didn't have anything to do with Natalee's disappearance, hence her private life is of NO INTEREST TO ME. For TRIXIE to suggest that is despicable considering she knows EXACTLY why Pause posted the information that she did (something I understand Pause has explained FULLY). Trixie and her motives are beneath contempt and I'm here to call a lie a lie when I see it.

A person such as TRIXIE who has attacked the credibility of both GLENDA and SUBA JAP is HMI, PERIOD. Glenda's friend JULIA can sink and I do mean SINK the TWITS should she ever speak or write publicaly (like on GRETA) about the TWIT behavior on Aruba. AND I DO MEAN SINK. They have every interest in silencing her. SCUBA is the sweetest kindest, most honest upstanding lady and for me to hear that TRIXIE and her henchmen are attacking either of these ladies is reprehensible, and, again there can ONLY BE ONE MOTIVE. THE TWIT MOTIVE. I have to believe that the ONLY reason neither Scuba nor Julia have refrained from speaking publicaly about the TWIT behavior on Aruba is that they have agreed in some fashion to aid the FBI in their investigation of the family.

http://www.forumsdot.com/freebird/viewtopic.php?t=793&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=60

[msmarple]

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/3/31/

Turista a perde su bida tragicamente

ORANJESTAD(AAN)-- Ayera tardi un turista a perde subida tragicamente ora cu el a dal cu waverunner den otro waverunner cu su yiunan riba dje. E turista Cornelius Dennis Powers naci dia 14 di januari 1963 ta na Aruba cu su familia y awe mester a bolbe Merca.

Informacion cu a logra haya di e desgracia tabata cu e turista tabata riba un waverunner cu un yiu y dos otro yiu tabata riba otro waverunner. Den maniobranan riba lama, e dos aparatonan a dal den otro.

E impacto tabata asina fuerte cu e tata a haya golpinan y probablemente sangramento interno y cu ambulance a transporte mes ora pa hospital unda el a fayece.

Tabata basta despues di tur esaki cu polis a wordo informa di e desgracia locual ta di lamenta ya cu den casonan asina mes ora mester pone polis na altura di e desgracia.

Esaki a haci cu awor Strandpolitie ta buscando testigonan y personanan cu sa mas di e caso aki y por yama telefon 586-3003 pa duna informacion.

DIARIO tin entendi cu tramitenan ta ser haci pa Memento Mori manda e curpa Merca unda entiero lo tuma lugar.

Online Pap translation:

tourist owing to lose his life tragicamente

oranjestad(aan)-- yesterday {03/30?} tardi one tourist owing to lose subida tragicamente hour cu past owing to strike cu waverunner in another waverunner cu his yiunan on dje. the tourist cornelius dennis powers naci day 14 of january 1963 {44?} is at aruba cu his familia y today have to owing to go back merca.

informacion cu owing to succeed achieve of the desgracia was cu the tourist was on one waverunner cu one child y two another child was on another waverunner. in maniobranan on lama, the two aparatonan owing to strike in another.

the impacto was so strong cu the father owing to achieve golpinan y probably sangramento inner y cu ambulance owing to transporte self hour for hospital where past owing to fayece.

was enough after of all this cu police owing to wordo informa of the desgracia locual is of lamenta already cu in casonan so self hour have to place police at height of the desgracia. { ??? }

this owing to haci cu now strandpolitie is buscando testigonan y personanan cu know more of the caso here y can calling telephone 586-3003 for give informacion.

daily paper have entendi cu tramitenan is being haci for memento mori send the curpa merca where burial will take lugar.

There may be more than just an accident at first glance.  "Police at height of disgrace?" ?? Maybe it was a long time before the ambulance arrived?

Also notice that Diario doesn't include the usual "Condolences to the family" that usually ends one of these sstories ...

[klaasend]

greeneyedlady - I can tell you I don't miss Stinkey Pete's posts.  I also remember seeing that.  So is he saying Trixie or someone else was the MOLE?

[greeneyedlady]

greeneyedlady - I can tell you I don't miss Stinkey Pete's posts.  I also remember seeing that.  So is he saying Trixie or someone else was the MOLE?

Klaas it looks like he's saying Trixie to me,but others may see it differently.I know this is not the first time I've seen Trixie being accused of being HMI.
BTW-if you want to delete that post it won't bother me.I just thought it was interesting because of SK telling Pete sdhe was Lorenzo's mom..and right after that SK used the nic Astrid on RU for awhile.

[klaasend]

greeneyedlady - I can tell you I don't miss Stinkey Pete's posts.  I also remember seeing that.  So is he saying Trixie or someone else was the MOLE?

Klaas it looks like he's saying Trixie to me,but others may see it differently.I know this is not the first time I've seen Trixie being accused of being HMI.
BTW-if you want to delete that post it won't bother me.I just thought it was interesting because of SK telling Pete sdhe was Lorenzo's mom..and right after that SK used the nic Astrid on RU for awhile.

I honestly believe SandraK is tweeked.  She is NOT Astrid, and she is NOT Lorenzo's mom.  I still have my questions about Lorenzo