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« Reply #40 on: April 02, 2007, 08:32:05 AM »

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http://www.diarioaruba.com/
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« Reply #41 on: April 02, 2007, 08:43:17 AM »

oh dear, say it ain't so  Shocked possible bribery/kickbacks in the MEP party leadership  Laughing

International investigation in Namdar-case  

Rudy Lampe

WILLEMSTAD/ORANJESTAD – The Aruban Parliament-member Rudy Lampe (RED) presses for an international investigation in the Namdar-case.  The investigation must include Aruba and the Neth.Antilles and also the Netherlands and the United States.  

The Namdar-case involves both Aruba and Curacao. It appears from leaked out e-mails that the American diamond dealer and businessman Effy Namdar has offered the Aruban government party MEP one million florins in bribery.  It appears from correspondence that refers to the Tourist Minister of Curacao in May 2006, that also the Curacao commissioner Ivan Strick (Finance and Tourism, FOL) and possibly also the former Tourism-commissioner Gerrit Schotte (MPK then, MAN now, have been in contact with Namdar.  

In the meantime, also the following politicians are involved in the matter: Governor Fredis Refunjol, former MEP-minister, Tourism-minister Edison Briesen (MEP), former minister Glenbert Croes (OLA), who most likely plays a part with regard to Curacao.

Lampe wants an international investigation, considering all these names from several countries involved in the matter.  “These are serious accusations.  It’s about bribery and attempts to bribery.  There are UN-treaties against bribery.  It is therefore best that all the countries in question join forces and have this case thoroughly investigated”, said Lampe who was an active priest before.
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« Reply #42 on: April 02, 2007, 08:47:34 AM »

More on the protesting regarding the chollers and the case with saladin:

Protest against drug addiction problem  

ORANJESTAD – About 500 to 600 protesters showed their support to Michael Saladin, by protesting against the increased problems with drug addiction.  The protest march was peaceful; the banners spoke or themselves; the general sentiment is that hardworking people should not suffer under the addiction of others.  

The march started around 17:00 in the Wilhelminastraat to the location where La Linda was at the Caya Betico Croes.  Michael Saladin is still under medical observation.  His lawyer Ruiz said that the matter has struck Saladin so bad that he is bad off physically and mentally.

“Usually, he is a cheerful man, but now he is down and even depressed.”  Ruiz indicated that the big turnout at the protest march and all the expressions of support, are a big support for him and his family.

Tomorrow is the eighth day of custody.  Ruiz expects another session with the examining judge, who will decide whether to order further detention or not.  Ruiz hopes that based on his health condition and the fact that he has small children, the judge will decide on not ordering further detention.  “Besides, being a businessman and owning two businesses that are open 24 hours a day with 11 employees, Saladin has a big responsibility.”  Ruiz says that there is no uncertainty about the fact that Saladin has aimed his weapon on the choller that threatened him.   That’s not the case.  The weapon was in his hand but he didn’t aim it at the choller.  

The American consulate general in Curacao asked the police and the public prosecutor for information on Michael Saladin’s situation.  This is standard procedure for the consulate, because Saladin is American citizen.  Vice-consul Bill Furnish indicated that the consulate always make inquiries when something happens to an American citizen abroad.  They do that so they can answer possible questions of family in the US.  Due to the American privacy-act, he is not allowed to discuss details with the media.   He did say though that he is very pleased with the cooperation of the police and public prosecutor here in Aruba.  He has not yet contacted Saladin directly.
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« Reply #43 on: April 02, 2007, 08:52:45 AM »

I am back for a moment,meds are working,clean litter,I have never seen or heard a single MB kid say Natalee did Belly shots.I do think she was drugged before she left the bar and joran is guilty as sin. cat
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« Reply #44 on: April 02, 2007, 08:55:11 AM »

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/4/2/

3 Tourists have problems with bad service at the hospital

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TRES TURISTA INDIGNA CU MAL SERVICIO NA HO
ORANJESTAD (AAN):

Ningun di tres lo no bin Aruba mas! Esey ta loke tres turista hospedando na Renaissance Resort a declara den un entrevista cu DIARIO. Nan tabata furioso pa e trato baho y increible cu nan a haya Diadomingo merdia na Servicio di Emergencia na Hospital di Aruba.

E turistanan aki mes a caba di yega Aruba. Ta trata di un señora di como 62 aña di edad, hunto cu su dos yiu muher.

Prome cu nan a yega e isla aki, e mama a come algo na e Aeropuerto di origen, y esaki no a bay bon na su curpa. El a yega Aruba y cuminza sinti su curpa malo. El a pasa henter anochi ta vomita y haya diarea doloroso, cu casi e no por a ni hala rosea.

Diadomingo mainta e dolornan a empeora. E mama casi no por ni cana. Dolornan fuerte y acute tabata dal su barica y abdomen. Aki su dos yiu muher a dicidi cu nan ta bay hibe pa Servicio di Emergencia di Hospital di Aruba. Nan a paga un Taxi pa asina hiba nan Hospital. Nan a yega pa 12:52 p.m.

Ora cu nan a yega na loket, e turistanan a splica cu nan mama ta casi muri di dolor, y cu e mester worde mira urgente. Pero e enfermera a bisa nan, cu como cu nan ta turista, nan tin di pasa na Cashier prome y mesora a paga e suma di $85 pa cubri e costo, y asina warda e machine traha un ponsplaat, y demas detaye. Dolor tabata sigui dal e mama.

E ora nan a cera conoci cu e sistema di “sinta y warda” bo turno. Dolor tabata sigui tras di otro, y e mama tabata keha y sclama so sinta den Wachtkamer, unda tabatin 3 otro hende sinta. Cada biaha e ta lanta y bay WC.

E yiunan a cuminza bira desespera y ta bay na loket pa pidi yudanza. Atrobe ta indica cu e señora tin di sinta y warda. “Cada biaha nan tabata bisa nos pa warda nos turno,” e yiu muher a indica na DIARIO.

Diripiente e turistanan a mira un otro muher yega, y el a bay pasa paden numa. E turistanan a core bay reclama, y e enfermera a bisa: E muher nobo ey tin un berdadero emergencia.

ARUBIANONAN CU A MIRA E TURISTA TA SUFRI

Aki e yiunan a core puntra, si acaso nan Mama muriendo di dolor den Wachtkamer no ta un emergencia? “Boso no ta mira cu e ta muriendo eyden”? Mientras tanto, Wachtkamer a sigui yena cu pacient y tur e Arubianonan eyden tabatin hopi compasion cu e turistanan. Uno hasta a sugeri e turistanan aki pa nan carga nan mama, y forzosamente drenta e sala di emergencia. Asina nan a haci tambe! Nan a gara nan mama, y e dos yiu muher a djis cana y drenta paden.

Aki nan a bin topa cu enfermeranan furioso, kendenan a bin mustra dede riba nan, y cu voz halto a demanda pa nan sali back. “Warda boso turno!” E turista a declara na DIARIO, cu casi nan a worde saca mescos cu un cacho!

Nan a bay sinta back, pero bao protesta. Aki nan tabata keda cu lagrima den wowo pa mira con nan mama tabata krimp, pone man na barica, y grita di dolor. Tur nan Vakantie dushi cu nan a bin pasa na Aruba, ta bayendo perdi aki y nan mama ta muriendo dilanti nan wowo.

Aki e demas Arubianonan a cuminza basha abao, y revela na e turistanan con pesimo e sistema di Salud Medico ta na Aruba. Con malo e ‘trato humano’ ta di mayoria personal medico pa cu cualkier pacient. Nan a kere sinembargo cu e trato malo aki ta aplicable solamente pa Arubiano of stranheronan residencia aki. Pero Diadomingo merdia nan a ripara cu hasta turistanan ta pasa den e situacion aki.

DIRIPIENTE E PORTA A HABRI

Despues di basta rato, porfin un enfermera a bin na e porta y yama nomber di e Mama. Aki luz a cuminza ilumina nan caminda back, y nan tabata contento cu porfin e señora ta bay worde yuda.
Pero e dama turista a djis worde hiba den un area di triage, y a djis check su temperatura, presion di sanger, y a hacie algun pregunta. Nan a djis dune un aspirina, y a mande back pa Wachtkamer pa spera riba Docter.

E turistanan no a compronde at all ta con e sistema aki ta funciona. Ata nan mama atrobe den sala di espera, cu dolor aun mas fuerte, ta sperando. “Aki nos a bolbe warda mas di 60 minuut,” e turista cu lagrima den wowo a declara na DIARIO. Su mama cu hopi dolor gastrico den curpa, tabata inconsolable. Un muher di riba 62 aña no tin forza pa wanta dolornan asina fuerte.

Diripiente nan a mira cu holoshi ta casi bati 4:00 p.m. Aki si nan a fada, y a dicidi cu nan lo no bay guli manda abao mas. Nan a bay na e loket pa bolbe pidi yudanza. E enfermera a djis usa e mesun disco raya: “Boso mester warda”.

NAN A DICIDI NA BANDONA HOSPITAL

“E tabata un espera cu nunca a yega,” e yiu muher a bisa. “Finalmente nos a dicidi cu nos no kier spera mas, y a dicidi cu nos ta bandona Hospital.” Aki nan a bisa cu nan no ta desea nada mas, y ta pidi pa haya e $85 back cu nan a deposita.

Aki a bin algo pret! E enfermera a bisa cu nan no por haya placa back. El a splica nan cu ya caba nan a gasta mas di e $85 ey cu nan a deposita, y cu realmente ainda nan tin un debe nobo di riba 5 Florin cu Hospital.

Esaki a pone e turistanan bira mas furioso, y nan fuse a bula. Nan a djis carga nan mama bay cune pafor, busca un Taxi, y bandona cu hopi disgusto e unico Hospital di Aruba. Nan no a paga e 5 Florin ey tampoco! “Te despues di 4’or di atardi nos a sali, y sin haya asistencia medico! Ki berguenza esaki ta! Esey ta boso sistema di Salud Publico? Esaki ta boso forma di trata e turistanan cu ta pasa vakantie aki?” Esey ta loke e otro ruman muher a declara na DIARIO.

Hunto cu e Taxista, a dicidi na bay na e Botica na Warda, y aki a papia cu e Boticario riba e asunto. Aki a dicidi di paga pa cierto remedi, cu kizas lo por alivia e dolornan fuerte, y tambe e sintoma di cual e dama ta sintiendo di dje. Despues di esey nan a djis bay back Renaissance Resort, pa pone e mama drumi.

Na final, e turista a declara na DIARIO cu loke nan tres a pasa na Hospital di Aruba, tabata “algo inhumano”. “Nos ta hende cu no tin caracter pa reclama, pero loke a socede a pone nos bira hopi rabia. Nan ta kere cu e enfermeronan trahando den e seccion ey na Hospital tin nada di ‘calidad humano’ den nan curazon.

“Si e enfermeronan Europeonan ey ta hende cu a studia medicina, nan a mire ta dobla su curpa di dolor, y a dune medicamento. Pakico ta laga hende djis tuma presion di sanger y despues lage warda atrobe? Di con mester warda mas di 3 ora na Aruba pa haya yudanza di emergencia?” “Aruba ta un isla asina bunita, pero loke a socede na Hospital a laga nos cu mal smaak den boca. Un isla asina mester tin un calidad humano mas grandi. Pero e Hospital di boso... ta algo hopi mahos.”

“Nunca nos a yega di topa un trato asina mahos. Ta parce cu boso profesionalnan den salud medico ta trata hende comosifuera ta un cacho nan ta! E calidad humano di algun hende cu ta traha den Salud mester ta di cielo pa tera, amplio, y specialmente trata e turistanan tambe bon.”

Na final, e turistanan a splica cu e impresion di Diadomingo merdia tabata asina mahos, cu nan a dicidi caba cu nan lo no bin Aruba back hamas. Diaranzon venidero nan lo subi avion, y bandona e isla. Nan lo avisa tur nan famia y amigonan, cu nan a descubri cu e peor Hospital cu ta existi na Mundo, a worde traha na Aruba. Pues evita di bay eynan!


Online Pap translation of the first section of this lengthy article:

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three tourist indigna cu bad servicio at hospital oranjestad (aan):
none of three will not come aruba more! esey is thing three tourist hospedando at renaissance resort owing to declara in one interview cu daily paper. they was furious for her trato low y increible cu they owing to achieve diadomingo afternoon at servicio of emergencia at hospital of aruba.

the turistanan here self owing to end of arrive aruba. is deal of one madam of because; 62 year of edad, together cu his two child muher.
first cu they owing to arrive the island here, the mother owing to come algo at the aeropuerto of origen, y this not owing to bay good at his curpa. past owing to arrive aruba y cuminza feel his curpa bad. past owing to happen all night is vomita y achieve diarea painful, cu casi the not can owing to neither breathe.

diadomingo morning the dolornan owing to empeora. the mother casi not can neither march. dolornan strong y acute was strike his barica y abdomen. here his two child muher owing to dicidi cu they're bay hibe for servicio of emergencia of hospital of aruba. they owing to pay one taxi for so take away they hospital. they owing to arrive for 12:52 therefore.m.

hour cu they owing to arrive at loket, the turistanan owing to splica cu they mother is casi die of dolor, y cu the have to worde see urgente. but the enfermera owing to tell they, cu because; cu they're tourist, they have of happen at cashier first y at once owing to pay the suma of $85 for cubri the costo, y so keep the machine work one ponsplaat, y other detaye. dolor was follow strike the mother.

the hour they owing to close conoci cu the sistema of “sinta y warda” do you file. dolor was follow behind another, y the mother was complain y sclama only sit in wachtkamer, where had 3 another person sit. cada trip the is arise y bay wc.

the yiunan owing to cuminza become desespera y is bay at loket for ask yudanza. again is indica cu the madam have of sit y keep. “cada trip they was tell we for keep we file,” the child muher owing to indica at daily paper.

diripiente the turistanan owing to see one another muher arrive, y past owing to bay happen inside numa. the turistanan owing to core bay reclama, y the enfermera owing to bisa: the muher new ey have one berdadero emergencia.
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« Reply #45 on: April 02, 2007, 08:55:50 AM »

This is standard procedure for the consulate, because Saladin is American citizen. Vice-consul Bill Furnish indicated that the consulate always make inquiries when something happens to an American citizen abroad.
Well thats interesting.  Someone is getting involved here.  Why did they not do this to Natalee being an American citizen.
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« Reply #46 on: April 02, 2007, 10:09:33 AM »

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I am back for a moment,meds are working,clean litter,I have never seen or heard a single MB kid say Natalee did Belly shots.I do think she was drugged before she left the bar and joran is guilty as sin. cat

The first time I heard anything about Natalee doing belly shots was from David Kock the Kalpoes attorney.  Until I hear it from the one of the MB kids that is just another lie by J2K to portray Natalee in a bad way.  Just like when Natalee screamed out the car window something about Aruba was another J2K lie.  If she was screaming out any window it was a call for help.  All these lies were thought up by Paulus sitting in a room with the three murderers.
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« Reply #47 on: April 02, 2007, 11:14:30 AM »

Charlie Da Rat kinda reminds

me of "PAT" on the 80's SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE.

Pat looked sort of like a guy, but had boobs. ROFL

Nobody was ever totally sure WHAT IT WAS...

They'd just keep trying to think of new questions
to ask to find out. Smile
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« Reply #48 on: April 02, 2007, 11:17:32 AM »

Ehhhhhhh ehhhhhh ehhhhhhhhh eeehehhhhhhhhhhh


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« Reply #49 on: April 02, 2007, 11:29:33 AM »

Quote from: "carpe noctem"
Charlie Da Rat kinda reminds

me of "PAT" on the 80's SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE.

Pat looked sort of like a guy, but had boobs. ROFL

Nobody was ever totally sure WHAT IT WAS...

They'd just keep trying to think of new questions
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ROFL

"PAT" Laughing
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« Reply #50 on: April 02, 2007, 11:33:00 AM »

isnt that SPECIAL !!
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« Reply #51 on: April 02, 2007, 11:36:28 AM »

LOL

hey Robots, seriously.


look at Pat


and then Rat


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I tish u not. They're sisters!!! Laughing
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« Reply #52 on: April 02, 2007, 11:41:39 AM »

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LOL

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look at Pat


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I tish u not. They're sisters!!! Laughing


i agree.. SISTERS  Laughing
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« Reply #53 on: April 02, 2007, 12:16:07 PM »

I hadn't thought about "Pat" in ages.  Now I remember why.

San, you are right on the money.  "Lies My Father Told Me", coming soon to a bookstore near you.   Lying POS.
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« Reply #54 on: April 02, 2007, 12:40:48 PM »

Yesterday a screen shot of Joran's computer files was posted by Victor at FOB then removed after leaving it up about 9 minutes.  I was able to save it as were many other people.  What it looks like is that Joran willingly shared files with someone which implies his "notes" were not stolen at all.  Looking at the screen shot in the bottom right hand corner it shows music files/albums.  The name of the music album showing is Reggae Bangara.  Reggae Bangara has 2 albums, the first song on album 1 is called Murder She Wrote.  I put together this:


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« Reply #55 on: April 02, 2007, 12:47:38 PM »

joran is a LOSER
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« Reply #56 on: April 02, 2007, 12:48:31 PM »

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« Reply #57 on: April 02, 2007, 12:48:46 PM »

Just poking my head in....................

That's interesting. I have wondered if it was possible that Joran willingly leaked excerpts from the book as a "test balloon" to see how much scrutiny it would come under and if there were places he could cross himself up before he was officially released from suspect status.
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« Reply #58 on: April 02, 2007, 12:51:08 PM »

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Just poking my head in....................

That's interesting. I have wondered if it was possible that Joran willingly leaked excerpts from the book as a "test balloon" to see how much scrutiny it would come under and if there were places he could cross himself up before he was officially released from suspect status.


I would have thought that JR would have been a willing and convenient avenue by which to do that, if indeed that's what Joran has done. Is there a connection between JR and SandraK?
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« Reply #59 on: April 02, 2007, 12:51:37 PM »

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Just poking my head in....................

That's interesting. I have wondered if it was possible that Joran willingly leaked excerpts from the book as a "test balloon" to see how much scrutiny it would come under and if there were places he could cross himself up before he was officially released from suspect status.

It sounds like all this happened approximately a year ago.  Why we are seeing the "notes" now is anyones guess.  His book will be published in Dutch not English.
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