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« Reply #800 on: June 02, 2011, 12:07:47 PM »


OMG...the bailiff came to get her and escort her out...she flipped her hand and, I am assuming, told him to wait...she continued talking to JB totally ignoring the bailiff...he finally walked right up and she reluctantly moved towards the door!!
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« Reply #801 on: June 02, 2011, 12:09:12 PM »

It appears a matter is being discussed during the recess

kc was chewing bobo's ear off before they hauled her off to her cell to eat her swill. Reckon she was begging for pork rinds?
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« Reply #802 on: June 02, 2011, 12:09:27 PM »

JB is an embarrassment to the legal community......the sitting on Zanny  comment was so stupid!!!

That was just unbelievable.   
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« Reply #803 on: June 02, 2011, 12:09:32 PM »

::HelloKitty::Long time lurker here....Can someone explain why ICA has a white lap top computer (App*e Brand) in front of her?  Also what could possibly be on it that the court screens do not have?  Thanks in advanced to all.

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« Reply #804 on: June 02, 2011, 12:09:46 PM »

Whatever Bozo is trying to get to, Casey lied because she killed her daughter! Had everyone on a goose Chase!!!!!!!
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« Reply #805 on: June 02, 2011, 12:09:55 PM »

OMG - the feed I am watching just showed boxes on boxes and bags of evidence the state has has brought in.  One bag had marked 60498 #3. Is there a list of the evidence by numbers?  
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« Reply #806 on: June 02, 2011, 12:09:56 PM »

http://www.wftv.com/news/28105029/detail.html
Friend Did Not Know 'Zenaida'; Casey Said He Introduced Her
Posted: 5:50 am EDT June 2, 2011Updated: 11:29 am EDT June 2, 2011

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- An acquaintance of Casey Anthony testified on day 19 of her murder trial Thursday, that he never introduced Casey to a babysitter whom she claims kidnapped her daughter, Caylee Anthony.
Casey Anthony entered the courtroom around 8:50am, wearing a light blue, short-sleeved buttoned down shirt and dark pants. She had her hair pulled up in a tight bun.
At about 9:00am, Jeff Hopkins was called to the stand as the first witness.

Casey had told investigators that Caylee was kidnapped by a babysitter named Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez, but witnesses have testified that no such babysitter existed. Casey had also said that Hopkins introduced her to the babysitter and that Zenaida also took care of Hopkins's son.

However, on the stand, Hopkins said that he did not have a child and did not introduce Casey to a babysitter. He also said he did not know how Caylee died.
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« Reply #807 on: June 02, 2011, 12:10:01 PM »

Lunch time....they were all smiling! #Caseyanthony. Where do you think Judge P sent them on their field trip last weekend?

http://www.wesh.com/casey-anthony-extended-coverage/interactive.html

This is referring to the jury all smiling.  Think they are relieved that there was only one sidebar?
Or, were they thinking "Oh goody, we won't have to deliberate very long"
Or, they were invisioning ICA getting the needle?
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« Reply #808 on: June 02, 2011, 12:10:05 PM »



The jury has gone to lunch
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« Reply #809 on: June 02, 2011, 12:10:34 PM »

How can Bozo expect to have it both ways? Either she was a liar who had learned to lie at her parent's knee, and was lying because she was in denial, or was living in a fantasy world where she believed in her fantasy. If she believed in her fantasy, why didn't they bring up her nuttiness and have a mental health defense? if she believed in her fantasies, why didn't she introduce Zanny to her friends or family (of course she would have been in a straightjacket shortly thereafter), and why did she feel the need to create new lies when the old ones were busted. For example, if she thought she worked at Universal, why didn't she meet her mother there when Cindy was looking for her? AAArrrgh, why bother--Bozo is even stupider than his client.
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« Reply #810 on: June 02, 2011, 12:10:41 PM »


OMG...the bailiff came to get her and escort her out...she flipped her hand and, I am assuming, told him to wait...she continued talking to JB totally ignoring the bailiff...he finally walked right up and she reluctantly moved towards the door!!

She's lucky she gets to talk to her attorneys at all during a recess
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« Reply #811 on: June 02, 2011, 12:10:56 PM »

::HelloKitty::Long time lurker here....Can someone explain why ICA has a white lap top computer (App*e Brand) in front of her?  Also what could possibly be on it that the court screens do not have?  Thanks in advanced to all.

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« Reply #812 on: June 02, 2011, 12:11:26 PM »

10:10 Court is in session:

Det Melich is the witness, Linda is up........

Jury is going to listen to the audio and see the transcript of the Universal recording:

Date is July 16, 2008.  Det Melich, Allen, Wells, Casey.  She is agreeing to this taping.  Det Melich is telling Casey that everything has been a lie.  Casey is saying uh huh.  He wants her to stop the lying.  She says not everything she told him is a lie.  She still does not know where Caylee is.  He is telling her they have 30yrs experience.  They know she is lying.  It is like a snowball going down hill, she needs to stop it.  You know where Caylee is and we need to find her.  Caylee may not be in good shape or the way your family last remembers her but we need to find her.  We need to end this.  Casey says I don't know where Caylee is and this wouldn't be happening if she did.  Melich is telling her Zanny is a lie, her job is a lie, everything is a lie.  I could look at you as a person who is scared, or a person is a cold, callous monster, one of those two options.  You seem bright, are you scared or are you this cold callous person.  Casey said she is scared because she doesn't know where her daughter is.  Det Wells, says your whole reason for being here is helping to find your daughter right.  Casey says right.  Det Wells says all you have done is lie, this whole trip here is a lie.  You let us walk all the way to your office, right.  Casey says I understand how this looks.  Det Wells, says over the years I have made mistakes, you make mistakes, we all make mistakes.  You need to own up to making a mistake.  We know that you are afraid but you keep lying.  That makes no sense unless you just don't care.  You want us to find your daughter but your not helping.  You have given bad address, take us to a place you don't work, do you see how bad this looks?  By hiding this, by burying this, you are making everything worse, make everyone suffer.  Admit that something horrible happened, tell your parents.  How old are you? 22.  Go to your parents and tell them what happened, don't let them suffer, don't let everyone suffer.  Say your sorry and let them forgive you.  When is the last time someone hurt you and lied over and over, doesn't it get worse?  Casey says yes it does.  Det Wells, says he has sat down with mothers who have run over their babies, babies who have drowned in swimming pools.  He has also seen people who have done bad things to their babies and lied about it and people didn't want to help them.  He is trying to give Casey a way to talk to them.  Just let them know what happened and they can try to help her explain what happened.  A young mother could come forward and say something horrible happened.  Casey says the only horrible thing that happened was that I left my daughter with Zenaida.  Det Melich says if that was the truth, Zenaida would exist and we wouldn't be at a job you haven't worked at in years.  None of this makes sense.  If something happened to Caylee, let us know, you were a young mother and something horrible happened, my life isn't good, things are wrong and you made a mistake.  The other way just  makes you look like a cold, liar, tell me the truth.  When this snowball hits the bottom of the hill everyone is going to be hurt.  Det Wells says stop me when I am wrong.  You took you daughter to the nanny.  Casey says I dropped her off at the bottom of the stairs, where I have before.  You never called the police, your parents did, after they found your car.  When the police get involved the first thing you do is lie to the detectives, you bring us out here where you don't work, right?  Casey is agreeing this is all true.  Det Wells, says does this sound reasonable to you?  I never called police, I looked for her on my own.  I got my parents car towed and they had to report Caylee missing, I gave the LE bad addresses, does this make sense to you?  Casey says she took them to where she took her daughter last.  Wells, says how did bringing us here, help your daughter?  We came here to look for clues, how is that helping find you daughter?  Casey said it's not.  She said Caylee has been here, maybe security can help us find her.  Caylee has been to Disney, Sea World maybe coming here can help find her.  The detective says, whoa, how can that help find her?  How can coming to an office that doesn't exist help?  Casey says I wanted to come out here and talk to security and see if they would help me.  Casey says, Jeff and Juliet Lewis did work here.  Casey says that what they told her.  Is Caylee daddy dead?  Yes, I have a copy of the obit somewhere on my computer.  Casey says Zanny has an ID, she has seen it, Casey has an ID, her parents have seen it.  They ask her why did they come here.  Casey says no purpose to come up here.  Casey says I am trying to think of places to find her.  Detective says she is not helping by not answering questions and going off with stories about other things.  Casey says she is scared and running out of options.  She hasn't seen her daughter in a month.  Detective wants to know how lying to them is helping find her daughter.  Casey says she is trying to help.  Did the conversation with Caylee really happen on the phone recently?  Yes, that really happened, Caylee said Hi Mommy.  She read me a book.  She wasn't upset like she gets when she hasn't seen my mom but she isn't upset when she hasn't seen me for a while.  The detective says she has been missing for five weeks but she is not upset with you on the phone.  Casey says she is always like that, she cries for Cindy but not for Casey.  This is the first time she has been away from me more than one day.  The detective and she was not upset?  Casey says no, she was just reading her a book.  Det Allen says I have children I would of called LE right away and been so upset, why didn't you.  Casey says she maybe just missed a call or a message from the nanny and something fell through a crack.  You haven't seen her for five weeks and she calls you and you can't talk to an adult, why didn't you call the LE then?  Casey said she thought it was odd but she didn't call the LE.  Detectives say Ricardo said she stayed with him June 9th and they drove right by there, why did she point at an old folks home when Ricardo lived right across from the street.  Casey said Zanny lived at the old folks home.  A detective is telling Casey everything that comes out of your mouth is a lie.  Either you gave Caylee to someone or she is buried somewhere right now or in a trash can.  Everything you told us a lie.  Casey says not everything.  Det. says this needs to end.  Casey says I don't know what happened to Caylee, the last time I saw her was June 9th.  Det tells Casey, that Caylee is in a dumpster or buried or rotting somewhere.  You need to tell us where Caylee is RIGHT NOW,  NO MORE LIES!!!!!  Casey says that I left her at that apt with Zanny.  The det says, we looked at that apt video, you weren't there.  This is telling us that you are a cold blooded monster, you are giving us no choice, this is your opportunity to tell us, we are going to find out.  We have so many resources trying to find her.  Your lies are not helping us find Caylee.  Tell us what happened to Caylee.  Casey says I dropped her off with Zenaida.  I would of not sold my daughter, I would of given my mom custody and left.  I would not of let anything happen to my daughter.  The only mistake I have made is dropping off my daughter with someone I trusted.  No that is not what happened.  Your mom knows your lying, your father knows, everyone knows.  My phone is ringing right now, your mom keeps calling.  Casey says this is the truth, they say no it's not.  You didn't see her for 5 weeks and you thought she would of shown up?  Casey says she is glad she saw her mom.  The det says you could of seen your mom this whole time.  Casey says I am petrified of my mom and she reacted just the same as I thought.  They ask her are you more afraid of your mom than telling the truth?  Casey says no, in a back wards way she came out here to find Caylee, she came to Universal to find Caylee.  They ask her was she gonna take a cab here at 3 yrs old?  Did you think she was gonna be sitting in the lobby, the person who has kept her from you for five weeks, brought her here and you would find her here to your office where you don't work?  Casey is agreeing that it makes no sense.  Casey says she is telling them all those places she told them that Caylee has been to.  The old folks home?  Casey says yes, Zanny has been there.  At the old folks home? No.  Detective asks Casey if Caylee is in a better place and Casey laughs and says no, the best place would be with her.  They are asking her who you have gone to, to help with finding Caylee.  Casey says her one goal is to find Caylee.  She will lie, steal do anything to find her daughter.  Detectives say maybe your not a monster, maybe you have pressure, who puts the most pressure on you?  Casey says my mom.  Casey says she would never let anything happen to Caylee.  The detective says she has tears in her eyes, Casey sounds like she is crying.  She said that her mom is right about everything about her, that she took Cindy's credit cards for material things, food, clothes, shopping, she was extremely selfish.  Her mom is right about the things she said about here, she brought that on herself.  She says the car is hers to use and the gas gauge is broken.  The car broke down on Goldenrod and 50th, two guys helped her push it into the Amscot parking lot.  The car is in her parents name, she bought the car from her brother.  She ran out of gas, she didn't abandon it, she called her Tony L. to pick her up.  The detectives ask how they can help her find Caylee.  Do you have a computer?  Yes.  If we check my logs we can try to find emails from Zanny.  Casey says yes you can have my computer, I know that Zanny's info has to be on my computer.  Casey says that Zanny has been at different houses, doesn't know some of the addresses.  One of them is Andover Lakes.  Casey says she has names for her room mates, Raquel Ferral and Jennifer Rosa.  She rarely saw them, their schedules were different than hers.  Zanny had a boyfriend for a couple of months but he was there never there when Caylee was.  This has come at such a surprise there were no warnings.  Casey says she went to Valencia College for a year and a half.  She still says she worked at Universal Events as a seasonal employee.  She takes no meds and Caylee takes no meds, Caylee has had one cold in two and a half years.  Her dad has come to Dr visits with Caylee and Casey and her mom has come with her for Dr visits.  She is saying that Caylee likes to walk around Underhill Lake.  They laugh about Casey almost laying down on the couch.  She says that Caylee loved to play at Jay Blanchard Park.  Do you remember what you did on June the 8th?  I think my mom took her to Mt. Dora to see her parents.  I was at my boyfriend Tony's.  Tony is your current boyfriend right?  The baby went up with your mom to see her parents.  Casey says her grandfather is 88 and her grandmother is 82.  They are making small talk and Casey seems giggly and talkative.  They tell her that you are going to be our biggest help and Casey tells them, she could of gone anywhere, New York, etc etc.  Did the Nanny love Caylee weird or too much.  No, she was good and just praised Caylee and this just happened.  Zanny was non-chalant with me the day this happened.  Casey said she would check on Caylee on line or text her during the day.  Casey says bad news, the phone doesn't save many messages, they tell her they can get all her phone info.  She says she gave them to Yuri on a Zip drive.  Not actual messages, just the times they have them.  Zanny has had 2 diff phone numbers and lived different places.  Did she live at the apt that where you dropped Caylee off?  Yes and I know other people that live there.  Zanny never told me much and looking back now things didn't seem right.  I would pick her up at a grocery store to make things easier on Zanny.  Casey says honestly the only thing I care about is finding Caylee.  My mom told me yesterday she would never forgive me and I will never forgive myself.  Even if my car was working, what would I have done, just driven around?  If anything happened again I would tell my parents right away.  That was the biggest mistake I have made is not telling my parents.  Casey says she is sorry she gave them the run around.  She has really been trying to find Caylee and she will offer up her computer in a heartbeat and anything else to help find Caylee.  I should of called you right off the bat, my biggest mistake was not notifying anyone my daughter was missing.  They are agreeing with her.  They are gonna put Zenaida in DAVID, Casey says her parents are looking for Zanny under other names now too.  The swear Casey to tell the truth.  It is over.

Linda asks who was that talking at the end, he said Appie Wells and Sgt John Allen.  Melich says they checked with Saw Grass and zanny never lived there.  Their was no surveillance video.  They checked for video at Amscot but they were not working, they were dummies.  Casey gave him a zip drive containing pics of Caylee and cell numbers from June and July, he was there with her when she gave him that.  It was from a desktop computer in the same room he did his interview with her at her residence the spare room.  What happened when you left Universal.  They looked through a LE data base, named DAVID for Zenaida.  The put in all kinds of variables for the name.  Did Casey say Zanny had a car?  Yes a silver Ford Focus.  Did OC Sheriff office receive tips?  Yes over 6000 tips in total.  Sightings of Zenaida and Caylee.  They never located Zenaida Gonzales.  They never found out anything concerning Zenaida or Caylee from all of those tips.  Did you collect Casey's cell phone?  Yes.
Linda is showing Det Melich a package of evidence.  It is a Nokia cell phone.  Casey's cell phone.  They obtained a court order to get records for it and downloaded her list of contacts from the phone.  Melich gave the phone to a forensic examiner.  Did you also find out who Casey's phone carrier was?  Yes A T &T also known as Cellular.  He obtained records from them.  Linda is marking cell phone records as exhibits.  The judge is reading a stipulation, saying the records are true and accurate.  Linda introduces a composite exhibit into evidence.  Asking Det Melich did you collect personal items of the victim from Cindy Anthony?  Yes, Cindy is introducing them into evidence.  Showing evidence to Det. Melich.  Linda asks them if they were what he collected from Cindy as property of Caylee.  4 Toothbrushes, 1 brush, 1 comb, 1 thermometer all belonging to Caylee.  He turned them over to CSI.  Linda is asking Det Melich about searching the DAVID data banks in the car on the way from Universal.  They then drove her to the Sheriffs office and placed Casey Anthony under arrest.
Linda is done...............

Baez is pleasing the court...............
Does Det Melich turn to the jury when he talks?  Yes.  Was he taught this as LE.  He said the jury is the one deciding this matter so he talks to them.  When this all started, Zenaida was the suspect and not Casey?  Yes.  This is after Casey lied, he found out about the odor in the car, where she worked, that Jeff Hopkins and Juliet Lewis and Zanny never worked at Universal and Casey was still never a suspect at that point.  Can you look at this jury and tell them that she was never a suspect.  Yuri looks at the jury and tells them that she was a suspect of lying because she admitted that.  Can you tell the jury that Casey wasn't a suspect?  I thought Caylee was the lying mother of a missing daughter.  If we didn't think Zenaida was real, they wouldn't of shown Casey pics of Zenaida to look at.  Baez says you never thought she was a suspect or their was foul play?  Det Melich, tells the jury he knew that Casey was lying but he couldn't figure out why.  Baez is asking him after going to the Anthony home and looking at the statement, he knew that Casey was handcuffed.  Sustained.  Baez says after you knew all of this information, you took Casey on a trip to show you places. Yes.  She took you to a senior home and told you Zanny lived there.  Yes.  Baez says you knew that these were bizarre events and briefed others on this?  I didn't know it was a senior home or that Saw Grass was an empty apt.  Baez asks tells him you still took Casey to Universal when you knew it was all a lie.  No, that isn't the way it happened.  Baez is talking in circles.  You can't put your finger on all of these lies?  Yes.  Something is odd?  Yes.  You talked to Mr Turtora and found out that none of these people worked there, you asked her about her mental health?  Yes.  After knowing that she didn't work there you called her and put her on speaker phone so Mr Turtora can hear her?  Yes.
That she lost a phone? Yes.  You found out that all of this was not true and you still asked Sgt Allen to pick Casey up and bring her to Universal?  Yes.  Sgt Allen knew all about the lies too?  Yes.  Baez says you still continued on with the ruse?  No, it wasn't a ruse, she was so  matter of fact about it, I didn't know what to think, she walked them up to a building, into a security gate with two officers in tow, he can't imagine why she would do all of this, so he let her.  She had no ID? No.  You get into the gate and walk through the gate, she was very persuasive, convincing and that she walked with purpose? Yes. Baez showing him the path at Universal they took.  Det Melich met them at the security gate, she was walking with purpose, leading them to her office and then they made a right, down a hallway, making small talk and taking them to her office.  Did she have a nameplate? I don't know.  Did she have a computer in her office.  I don't recall.  Did you just keep walking, she just kept going?  Yes.  Then she stopped and reality set in?  That is when she told us that she didn't work here.  Is that when you thought something was wrong with this KID?  No, I thought her whole story was odd.  As a LE, many times you deal with ppl that have drug issues and mental health issues and ppl that fall into neither of those category? Yes.  I did not lump Casey into a category at this time.  You took Casey into a small room and said if she said Zanny is sitting in that chair, DON'T SIT THERE!!! What would you have done?  Objection, imo for STUPIDITY, lol.  Baez is making about as much sense as Casey at this point, the jury must think they are going crazy too.  Side bar..............

Taking a lunch break until 1:30pm

Judge is citing law and tells them they must have a good faith basis to ask questions.  I think he is only talking to the defense. 
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« Reply #813 on: June 02, 2011, 12:11:54 PM »

It appears a matter is being discussed during the recess

kc was chewing bobo's ear off before they hauled her off to her cell to eat her swill. Reckon she was begging for pork rinds?



I caught that too.
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« Reply #814 on: June 02, 2011, 12:13:03 PM »

My daughter just asked me, if I thought Zanny was ICA alter ego? Thoughts?

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« Reply #815 on: June 02, 2011, 12:13:10 PM »

OMG - the feed I am watching just showed boxes on boxes and bags of evidence the state has has brought in.  One bag had marked 60498 #3. Is there a list of the evidence by numbers?  

Goody goody goody! Can't wait to see what ammo is next!

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« Reply #816 on: June 02, 2011, 12:13:12 PM »

::HelloKitty::Long time lurker here....Can someone explain why ICA has a white lap top computer (App*e Brand) in front of her?  Also what could possibly be on it that the court screens do not have?  Thanks in advanced to all.

Welcome scrappysniffer!  I am sorry - I don't know the answer to your question - but I didn't want you to feel ignored.

Maybe some smart monkey will know. 

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« Reply #817 on: June 02, 2011, 12:13:15 PM »

It appears a matter is being discussed during the recess

kc was chewing bobo's ear off before they hauled her off to her cell to eat her swill. Reckon she was begging for pork rinds?



I caught that too.

She's probably telling him that he's an idiot.
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« Reply #818 on: June 02, 2011, 12:13:31 PM »


OMG...the bailiff came to get her and escort her out...she flipped her hand and, I am assuming, told him to wait...she continued talking to JB totally ignoring the bailiff...he finally walked right up and she reluctantly moved towards the door!!

She did that the other day to one of the male deputies and the lady deputy walked over and told her YOU GO NOW............It was very animated and you could read her lips as clear as day.
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« Reply #819 on: June 02, 2011, 12:13:33 PM »

Last week, there was a link that, during breaks and recess, they had commentators on.  I have checked every link on the 1st page.  Are they not stationed outside the courthouse doing news on some live feed any more?
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