Lively Case Discussion #596 4/4- 4/7/2007

[crazybabyborg]

If the actual bust is an exact match, and the arm disappears, and the size is wrong, and Joran's head is hidden in the pic, and Joran is known to have photoshopped pics of Natalee, then I think there's overwhelming evidence enough to prove it's a fake. It is a fake, IMO, and likely put out there by Joran Van der Sloot.

Does the guy looking at her have a particularly flat head to you? I'm not sure that the top part of the pic isn't placed there as well and then background erased to reveal the folks at the bar.

[Carnut]

IMO, someone took a pic of a girl on the bar at C&Cs and imposed Nat's "bust" from the beach pic, and placed it on that pic. They didn't get the size right.

Very possible CBB.  That would be the easiest to do don't you think?  But then why does the arm disappear?

It was "background erased" to look like it was behind the guy's head. It wasn't done very well, and that fits with the skill level of the size being wrong. Think about how long we've looked at at and never questioned the authenticity of it. You are exceptional to have ever noticed it.

Now looking at it, it dosen't even look like a superimposed image from Nat,
it looks like someone just colored in the design on someone in the pic there.

Nat's pic shows 4 bands from front to top, while the bar image just shows 3.

[carpe noctem]

Klaas......The top is altered. Look at the straps and compare it to the bar one. It's altered.

Bingo, CBB. I have been thinking that since this afternoon, but have not typed it.

[carpe noctem]

Plus, WTF would it be a guy that looks oddly like Joran...

but not the real Joran.

The whole pics smells like

Boeti.  

[carpe noctem]

IMO, someone took a pic of a girl on the bar at C&Cs and imposed Nat's "bust" from the beach pic, and placed it on that pic. They didn't get the size right.

Very possible CBB.  That would be the easiest to do don't you think?  But then why does the arm disappear?

Doesn't everyone bring their chihuahua up to the bar to buy a drink?


Seriously,

Which site was the first to post this pic... RWV?

[carpe noctem]

I enjoy looking at the antique cars you have in your sig line
carnut! nice.

[carpe noctem]

Another find from earlier today.

MARRIOTT BASIN

skirt

legs

and

arms

BASIN QUADRANT: left rear / facing towards pond

pic

http://s55.photobucket.com/albums/g130/arubapictures1/?action=view&current=rgtttttttt.png

[carpe noctem]

ENTIRE SLIDESHOW


http://tinyurl.com/2u3Xnq

[klaasend]

IMO, someone took a pic of a girl on the bar at C&Cs and imposed Nat's "bust" from the beach pic, and placed it on that pic. They didn't get the size right.

Very possible CBB.  That would be the easiest to do don't you think?  But then why does the arm disappear?

Doesn't everyone bring their chihuahua up to the bar to buy a drink?


Seriously,

Which site was the first to post this pic... RWV?

Yep RWV, they were posted in July 2005 and were said to have come from a tourist.

[crazybabyborg]

This pic is different from the one that we've been looking at as the beach pic. Her arm's down, but I haven't looked at it closely.

[spooky112483]

Hello everyone! I thought ya'll would enjoy this. Every year on Good Friday Glenn Beck reads the story of the crucifixtion set to Pink Floyd background music. It brings me to tears everytime I hear it. This year he has the audio on his website and it's free thru this weekend. Just go to
http://www.glennbeck.com
and it's on the front page it says "Glenn's Easter Essay". It's about 25 minutes long but it's well worth it. I hope you enjoy it as much as I do!
Like Glenn says, Easter is really about hope.

[justinsmama]

Stripes going the wrong way, strap vs. halter type.

[sb]

REGARDING THE PICTURE...

"Natalee" is behind the man in the foreground. The laws of perspective dictate that she appear smaller. Plus, being a petite girl anyway, she should not look like she is the same size (torso, arms, etc) as that guy.

There is virtually no difference between the size of her arm in that pic, and the guy's arms in the foreground.

She would have had to be standing virtually right on top of the guy, from the angle of the pic. The stage, and her feet, would be where the counter and his drink should be. I don't think she dances up there that close to the guy.

He isn't looking at her, which is very off-the-wall if you have someone crowding into you like she would have been. I have to say it, but, generally, a guy in a bar who is confronted with a scenario like that would more than likely have been watching her, ahem, "closely".

[klaasend]

This pic is different from the one that we've been looking at as the beach pic. Her arm's down, but I haven't looked at it closely.

I just looked closer and it's still not at the same angle, even if it were rotated.

Remember that Julia Renfro or Scuba or one of Renfro's friends got some of the first photos developed for Beth.  Renfro has hinted that she kept copies of them.

[klaasend]

Hello everyone! I thought ya'll would enjoy this. Every year on Good Friday Glenn Beck reads the story of the crucifixtion set to Pink Floyd background music. It brings me to tears everytime I hear it. This year he has the audio on his website and it's free thru this weekend. Just go to
http://www.glennbeck.com
and it's on the front page it says "Glenn's Easter Essay". It's about 25 minutes long but it's well worth it. I hope you enjoy it as much as I do!
Like Glenn says, Easter is really about hope.

Hi spooky - thanks for the link!

[sb]

The torso shown in the pic is actually right. The stripes are distorted ... curved, excuse me... y'all know why.

The problem is the proportion to the rest of the pic. "Natalee" is larger in the picture, than she would be if given a hero's welcome.

[klaasend]

To me the big deal about this photo is that when it first showed up at RWV, many were starting to bash Natalee already saying how horrible it was for her to be dancing on the bar.  The truth is the stage in Aruba goes right up to the bar.

Now we find out after almost 2 years that this photo appears to be BS and is photoshopped.  To me the BIG DEAL is that they were going alot of trouble in the very beginning of this case to misdirect.

[klaasend]

The torso shown in the pic is actually right. The stripes are distorted ... curved, excuse me... y'all know why.

The problem is the proportion to the rest of the pic. "Natalee" is larger in the picture, than she would be if given a hero's welcome.

Exactly.

[crazybabyborg]

To me the big deal about this photo is that when it first showed up at RWV, many were starting to bash Natalee already saying how horrible it was for her to be dancing on the bar.  The truth is the stage in Aruba goes right up to the bar.

Now we find out after almost 2 years that this photo appears to be BS and is photoshopped.  To me the BIG DEAL is that they were going alot of trouble in the very beginning of this case to misdirect.

BINGO! A VERY Big Deal!

[klaasend]

To me the big deal about this photo is that when it first showed up at RWV, many were starting to bash Natalee already saying how horrible it was for her to be dancing on the bar.  The truth is the stage in Aruba goes right up to the bar.

Now we find out after almost 2 years that this photo appears to be BS and is photoshopped.  To me the BIG DEAL is that they were going alot of trouble in the very beginning of this case to misdirect.

BINGO! A VERY Big Deal!

And who took those first photos to be developed for Beth?  Julia Renfro and her friends.