Lively Case Discussion #596 4/4- 4/7/2007

[Sleuth]

Sleuth - OK..that's possible I guess, but the photo is still photoshopped, the Natalee part.

Now I really have to go....GOODNIGHT!

I agree on the Natalee top.  I will have to read back to see what started this discussion all over again.  Didn't we agree that Natalee's top had been altered long, long ago (like a year ago)??

[Sleuth]

A message to CAT from Charlierat:

Someone tell Cat over at monKKKeys

This message is for "Cat" at the Klan site. The rest of you can disregard this.

I saw this and, of course, I call bullshit. However, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt (I did take the afternoon off; something I routinely do on Fridays. Business is good at charlierat, LLC and it's good to be your own boss!)

Come by on Tuesday, I'll be in the office all day. Don't come on Monday, I'll be in Court in Birmingham.

Better yet, email me (ask Carpy what my email address is). I'll be glad to make you an appointment and I'll be more than willing to meet you in person. You'll see that I look a lot like my (unphotoshopped) pictures. You'll also realize that I'm really a nice guy and I am everything that I ever claimed to be.

Meaning he is a liar, as he claimed to have been to Aruba more that 10 times but then in the interview indicated he had not been back since he moved away.

[Anna]

Klaas, for tomorrow,

Now THAT's the original!  Talk about a trip down memory lane!  I see Wreck there and also a couple who now post under different names here as well.

But I still see Joran's tny head sitting on the bar!  

[crazybabyborg]

   

I just looked outside.............
There's 3 inches of SNOW on the ground and it's coming down hard! WAAAAHHH.......................why didn't I cut my tulips for a beautiful arrangement before the snow got 'em????? Think it's too late? I'm getting my coat and heading out...........

[Tibrogargan]

Sleuth - OK..that's possible I guess, but the photo is still photoshopped, the Natalee part.

Now I really have to go....GOODNIGHT!

I agree on the Natalee top.  I will have to read back to see what started this discussion all over again.  Didn't we agree that Natalee's top had been altered long, long ago (like a year ago)??

Sleuth I saw your comment about the bartender about to stand up but if so his head is very small in comparison to the guy sitting at the bar?

[spooky112483]

Didn't one of us find a picture of Nat's top in and ad? Like the place that sells them? Did I dream that? I thought if we did maybe that could have been what they used to photoshop the pic with?

[Tibrogargan]

Sleuth - OK..that's possible I guess, but the photo is still photoshopped, the Natalee part.

Now I really have to go....GOODNIGHT!

For the morning - Klaas and Anna I must remember to explain myself more fully.  The date I gave for RWV having these photos was for newer monkeys to find them more easily if they went over to the RWV site.  I think it is also a clue that this picture is much less clear than the others posted at the same time.  Definitely fiddled with.

[Sleuth]

Sleuth I saw your comment about the bartender about to stand up but if so his head is very small in comparison to the guy sitting at the bar?

It does look much smaller, but I am always amazed at how sizes get distorted in pictures when you have one person/object in the foreground - they always look like giants compared to the rest...

[Tibrogargan]

Didn't one of us find a picture of Nat's top in and ad? Like the place that sells them? Did I dream that? I thought if we did maybe that could have been what they used to photoshop the pic with?

I am sure I remember something about that also, Spooky.  The details elude me at the moment - so much garbage to filter through in this case.
Hope you have been keeping well.  Long time no see.

[Tibrogargan]

Sleuth I saw your comment about the bartender about to stand up but if so his head is very small in comparison to the guy sitting at the bar?

It does look much smaller, but I am always amazed at how sizes get distorted in pictures when you have one person/object in the foreground - they always look like giants compared to the rest...

I hope you are correct.  It makes me mad to think it may have been a set up all this time.  There are names for people like that.

[Sleuth]

Sleuth I saw your comment about the bartender about to stand up but if so his head is very small in comparison to the guy sitting at the bar?

It does look much smaller, but I am always amazed at how sizes get distorted in pictures when you have one person/object in the foreground - they always look like giants compared to the rest...

Tib, takes this photo just as a quick example.  Natalee's friend's head looks large compared to the person in the white T-Shirt sitting in the chair with his/her back to Natalee.

[Sleuth]

Didn't one of us find a picture of Nat's top in and ad? Like the place that sells them? Did I dream that? I thought if we did maybe that could have been what they used to photoshop the pic with?

I am sure I remember something about that also, Spooky.  The details elude me at the moment - so much garbage to filter through in this case.
Hope you have been keeping well.  Long time no see.

Yes, I remember that also.

[Sleuth]

Sleuth I saw your comment about the bartender about to stand up but if so his head is very small in comparison to the guy sitting at the bar?

It does look much smaller, but I am always amazed at how sizes get distorted in pictures when you have one person/object in the foreground - they always look like giants compared to the rest...

Tib, takes this photo just as a quick example.  Natalee's friend's head looks large compared to the person in the white T-Shirt sitting in the chair with his/her back to Natalee.

[Sleuth]

Just to clarify, I do think the photo with Natalee on the bar has been altered.  I just have never thought the small head was anything more than the bartender in the backgroung.

[Sleuth]

Good Night Spooky and Tib.  Have a great weekend.

[Sleuth]

Good Night Spooky and Tib.  Have a great weekend.

Sorry - G'Day Tib!

[Tibrogargan]

Good Night Spooky and Tib.  Have a great weekend.

Sorry - G'Day Tib!

Seeya Sleuth - I have just been studying the photos again.   Will wait until tomorrow - it may be sorted out by then by wiser monkeys.

[Tibrogargan]

oops - I meant wiser monkeys than me.  Not including you in that statement, Sleuth   Sorry

[crazybabyborg]

GEEZZZZZ It's COLD!

For tomorrow: I revise my earlier statement about why Nat's arm disappears. It disappears because whoever was in the original pic was indeed on the bar at C&Cs. There was someone sitting at the bar and their head obscured the rest of her (the real girl's) arm. When Nat's top was imposed on the girl, the "artist" had to leave a gap because showing any more at the top of the picture would have revealed either a stranger or a familiar pic of Natalee that would have tipped it off as a hoax. Therefore, the newly "topped" girl had to be pasted too far above the "head-line" of those sitting at the bar. The shirt at the arm is background erased to get rid of Nat's hair laying on her shoulder there. It would be defying gravity with her bent over like that. It makes the top look like a graduated halter tied top instead of what it actually was: triangled with string straps.

I know this will make sense to Klaas.............is it understandable to anyone else? The ONLY thing in that pic that is Natalee is her striped top "bust" only, and it's been reshaped to get rid of her hair below her shoulder.

[crazybabyborg]

It may have been another original of Natalee that was used, but I hope this helps evryone visualize how this fake was done.