Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11

[klaasend]

Dr Michael Baden (LKB's husband)     Just tried to say the death band hair could have been Lee's, the panel reminded him that it was stated that it was female.  Cindy is blonde, Casey dyed her hair, Caylee was murdered.   OMG why are these professionals so easily willing to put their reputations on the line!

Sorry I have no link I had this saved in my notes

Dr. Michael Baden explained that after death, a "band" forms around the hair that is not found in the hair of a living person. This is how they can tell if a hair came from a living or deceased person. The hair found in the trunk was tested & did have that 'band' present.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17315205/detail.html

DNA Test Results Of Hair, Stain Found In Car Indicate Caylee Anthony Is Dead
Posted: 4:21 pm EDT August 27, 2008
Updated: 10:07 am EDT August 28, 2008

Eyewitness news spoke to a forensic expert to find out how investigators are able to use DNA to determine that a dead body was in Casey's trunk.

"Just putting the hair under the microscope one can tell the difference between a normal hair root and one that's been infected with bacteria after death." stated forensic expert Michael Baden.

Baden is a forensic pathologist who worked extensively on the OJ Simpson case. He also said the inside linings of the mouth and nose release fluid when they begin to decompose and that fluid can also be identified by DNA.

Casey Anthony's brother Lee said nothing when he left his parents home early Thursday morning. Attorney Jose Baez met with the family for several hours alone.

"Not going to talk about evidence," said Baez.

[Blonde]

Let's say Caylee did drown in the pool.  If she wasn't found for some time, would Caylee's mouth be open with the look of fear (rig.) on her face? Could the mouth be closed manually or would it be frozen open after she died?  Would this be why Casey tried to tape the mouth shut before disposal and put a heart sticker on it?  My mind is racing thinking that Casey chloroformed Caylee and thought she was asleep but she really slipped away into the pool.  You sure can't say accidental drowing when a baby has been dead in a pool for a long time and the mother is right there.

Moment of Death: no link this as been saved in my notes
 1} The heart stops
 2} The skin gets tight and grey in color
 3} All the muscles relax
 4} The bladder and bowels empty: So this would have been been in the pool IMO

After 4 hours:
 11} Rigor mortis starts to set in
 12} The purpling of the skin and pooling of blood continue
 13} Rigor Mortis begins to tighten the muscles for about another 24 hours, then will reverse and the body will return to a limp state.
 After 12 hours:
 14} The body is in full rigor mortis.
 After 24 hours:

[Titch]

Dr. Michael Baden appears to say “…they found chloroform in the baby’s hair” when asked about testing Caylee Anthony’s hair for the presence of chemical substances.

This is relevant because Dr. Baden’s wife, Linda Kenney-Baden is part of Casey Anthony’s defense team, and is privy to such information.
During the investigation, Anthony’s car was searched and traces of chloroform, a stain, and some of Caylee’s decaying hairs were found in the trunk.
See Dr. Baden’s statement below:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ZI4-Dkd8q2oJ:www.examiner.com/crime-in-national/video-dr-baden-confirms-chloroform-found-caylee-anthony-s-hair+Dr+Michael+Baden+on+death+band+hair&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=opera&source=www.google.com

I don't know, but according to the below, there was no chloroform found in the hair or bones, or any other drug.

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0619/19802034.pdf

Page 36.

I remember when Dr. Baden said that & I was so excited bc I thought surely Casey's goose is cooked. Then he was questioned almost immediately and I think it came out that he was talking about chloroform being detected in tge trunk where the death band hair was found. I believe he mis-spoke or spoke too soon.

[KittyMom]

I wonder if testing the hair clumps found with Caylee's remains is a mute point?  They were inside a bag of her decomp fluids and swamp water for months.  How much did that impact the hair?

[Blonde]

Geraldo 3/14/09 Dr. Baden/Chloroform Caylee's Hair?
Lission to Dr Baden talking about Caylee
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fZsd--Y2Hk

[Titch]

I wonder if testing the hair clumps found with Caylee's remains is a mute point?  They were inside a bag of her decomp fluids and swamp water for months.  How much did that impact the hair?

I think the storm water, insects, snakes & other wildlife imacted everything. I don't think there will be a problem getting a conviction but the State is going for the dp with the thought that the tape was applied to a living Caylee. WesternObserver mentioned that no death bands were present on the hairs on the tape therefore Caylee would have had to be alive when applied... However, it was attached tight enough to hold her mandible in place, so I'm thinking the hair was so degraded from beetles eating it that they didn't find the roots. Afterall, some of the roots would have had to stay in her scalp, at least until the larvae devoured everything. It's just hard to prove the tape was applied first but there's so much more evidence that it shouldn't even matter. When any normal person listens to Casey's interviews & tapes, looks at her party pics, reads her texts & emails, considers how Caylee was discarded & keeps in mind the death band hair found in her trunk, omg plus the stain, syringe with trace chloroform, high level or chloroform...yep, I think it's enough to convict. Question is how many years. I think lwop. 

[Titch]

Geraldo 3/14/09 Dr. Baden/Chloroform Caylee's Hair?
Lission to Dr Baden talking about Caylee
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fZsd--Y2Hk

Thanks Blonde!

[KittyMom]

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/callous_casey_bizarre_coverup_B1nlShqOSY5zhs38LdARRJ
Caylee mom's bizarre 'murder' coverup

[ZooMomology]

I was reading through some evidence and look what I found.



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Does this mean to anybody else that the hairs had the death bands?

[Monken]

I was reading through some evidence and look what I found.



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Does this mean to anybody else that the hairs had the death bands?

Hey Zoo, I think the first sentence says it " apparent decomposition" I hope that means death bands. What else did they say would prove hair decomposing?

[ZooMomology]

I was reading through some evidence and look what I found.



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Does this mean to anybody else that the hairs had the death bands?

Hey Zoo, I think the first sentence says it " apparent decomposition" I hope that means death bands. What else did they say would prove hair decomposing?

I don't remember anything else being shown on hair from a decomposing body.  Only deathbands and not all of the time.

[ZooMomology]

I also found this that says the clump of head hair was NOT tested for chloroform, but the ME did toxicology tests that did test for chloroform. 



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http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19342108/detail.html

Page with 5597 at bottom.

[Monken]

I was reading through some evidence and look what I found.



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Does this mean to anybody else that the hairs had the death bands?

Hey Zoo, I think the first sentence says it " apparent decomposition" I hope that means death bands. What else did they say would prove hair decomposing?

I don't remember anything else being shown on hair from a decomposing body.  Only deathbands and not all of the time.

So, couldn't the pros. have hairs showing death bands found on Caylee's body that match the death band hair found in the trunk? That would be perfect!!

[ZooMomology]

I was reading through some evidence and look what I found.



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Does this mean to anybody else that the hairs had the death bands?

I am sorry.  I forgot to provide a link and page number before.

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/18740657/detail.html

Page with 3796 on bottom of it.  Mods can you please fix original post?

[Titch]

I was reading through some evidence and look what I found.



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Does this mean to anybody else that the hairs had the death bands?

Hey Zoo, I think the first sentence says it " apparent decomposition" I hope that means death bands. What else did they say would prove hair decomposing?

Yayyyyy! I love you Zoomom! Thank you sooo much! I knew it had to be tested! I knew there had to be some kind of degradation but at least one had to show decomp! I'm so excited!

Ok, so now after seeing this, maybe "some" of the hairs on the tape didn't show a death band so that's how the State can say it was applied to a living Caylee?

You made my day! I was gonna go searching the forensic docs today lol! Thank you! 

[ZooMomology]

According to the last page of this report, the poor snake died of blunt force trauma.

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19342108/detail.html

[Titch]

I was reading through some evidence and look what I found.



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Does this mean to anybody else that the hairs had the death bands?

Hey Zoo, I think the first sentence says it " apparent decomposition" I hope that means death bands. What else did they say would prove hair decomposing?

I don't remember anything else being shown on hair from a decomposing body.  Only deathbands and not all of the time.

So, couldn't the pros. have hairs showing death bands found on Caylee's body that match the death band hair found in the trunk? That would be perfect!!

YES! Maybe DNA wouldn't be present in the duct tape hair but everything else would be looked at such as texture, thickness, color, etc. Omgosh yes!

[Tamikosmom]

I don't know, but according to the below, there was no chloroform found in the hair or bones, or any other drug.

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0619/19802034.pdf

Page 36.

Thanks Zoo Monkey

Something is hinky.

Janet

+++++

Jurors may hear chloroform evidence
6:26 p.m. EDT, April 27, 2011

In another setback to Casey Anthony's defense team, a judge ruled Wednesday that evidence about elevated chloroform levels detected in her car may be admissible at her trial.

Orange-Osceola Chief Judge Belvin Perry denied a defense team's request to block evidence about chloroform, which is a potentially deadly chemical that can be used to render a person unconscious.

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http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/os-casey-anthony-trial-chloroform-rul20110427,0,7305325.story

[ZooMomology]

I also found this that says the clump of head hair was NOT tested for chloroform, but the ME did toxicology tests that did test for chloroform. 



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http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19342108/detail.html

Page with 5597 at bottom.

I don't know what happened to the second picture, but here it is again, hopefully showing the whold part I cut and pasted.



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Much better!!! Sorry about that.

[Titch]

I don't know, but according to the below, there was no chloroform found in the hair or bones, or any other drug.

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0619/19802034.pdf

Page 36.

Thanks Zoo Monkey

Something is hinky.

Janet

+++++

Jurors may hear chloroform evidence
6:26 p.m. EDT, April 27, 2011

In another setback to Casey Anthony's defense team, a judge ruled Wednesday that evidence about elevated chloroform levels detected in her car may be admissible at her trial.

Orange-Osceola Chief Judge Belvin Perry denied a defense team's request to block evidence about chloroform, which is a potentially deadly chemical that can be used to render a person unconscious.

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http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/os-casey-anthony-trial-chloroform-rul20110427,0,7305325.story

It's not quite as hinky as you may think Janet. Chloroform releases as a gas after time. Just bc the bones or hair may not have shown chloroform does not mean Caylee didn't die as a result of a chloroform overdose. Chloroform can sit on a body of water then rise above to disintegrate in the air. The fact that severely high levels of chloroform were found in Casey's trunk cannot simply be argued away as only coming from laundry detergent & cleaning agents, especially considering trace elements of chloroform were found within that Gatorade bottle that had the tp roll with the syringe in it! Oh yeah! Casey's defense is sunk.

Too bad Baez didn't go for a mental defense. Lololololololololololololol!