Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 12- 6/7/2011

[Cappuccino]

Awwww he knew the dog's birthday! That just melted my heart!   

Me too 

[sunshine12]

Awwww he knew the dog's birthday! That just melted my heart!   

  adorable. i really like this witness!!!!! made me think of how i used to get my dog a bone and a treat on his bday every year.  i think the jury is really going to like this witness

[Tamikosmom]

What if they bring a dog in, line up all those cans they have, and see if the dog hits?

Now that makes sense!

However ... I would suggest that the dogs, handlers, prosecutor and defence are transported to nowhere, Florida to conduct the exercise.

Janet

... and jury.

[Shan1628]

Re: chloroform testimony:

When Vass got off the stand yesterday, it was likely that everyone hearing the testimony had a pretty clear opinion as to the significance of the chloroform in the trunk. The FBI witness has allowed for the possibility of that opinion to be muddied. I think that's much more likely for a juror that is predisposed to find Casey innocent, but I wish this witness from the FBI hadn't been part of this case or at least testified BEFORE Vass.

JMO.

I totally agree.  I wonder if the jury will discount his testimony all together - or if they're even allowed to do that? 

Ok, still trying to catch up and get an answer...so, this last FBI guy admitted that he hadn't tested air for chloroform before, is that correct? And what was the mistake I heard the prosecution had made wrt giving someone the wrong can????

Thanks

You are correct.  The FBI guy has never tested air for chloroform.  The mistake came from Dr. Vass identifying the wrong can for the prosecution.  They brought him back today to correct the error.  No biggie on that.  Hope that helps some. 

[New Monkey]

Awwww he knew the dog's birthday! That just melted my heart!   

  I love this witness.

[crazybabyborg]

Re: chloroform testimony:

When Vass got off the stand yesterday, it was likely that everyone hearing the testimony had a pretty clear opinion as to the significance of the chloroform in the trunk. The FBI witness has allowed for the possibility of that opinion to be muddied. I think that's much more likely for a juror that is predisposed to find Casey innocent, but I wish this witness from the FBI hadn't been part of this case or at least testified BEFORE Vass.

JMO.

I totally agree.  I wonder if the jury will discount his testimony all together - or if they're even allowed to do that? 

Ok, still trying to catch up and get an answer...so, this last FBI guy admitted that he hadn't tested air for chloroform before, is that correct? And what was the mistake I heard the prosecution had made wrt giving someone the wrong can????

Thanks

Apparently JA gave Dr. Vass the wrong can to identify during his testimony....... at any rate Dr. Vass identified the wrong can. That was cleared up earlier today and Dr. Vass was brought back to clear it up.
As far as the chloroform testimony, all I can say is the testimony was confusing. I need to listen to it again.

[ISpy]

Zoomomology- I hear you.  The overwhelming issue for the defense though is there's no need for chloroform in a trunk period. The secondary issue for them is that there is no logical (i.e. naturally occurring ) source for chloroform found in the suspects trunk with the victim's decomposition fluids and the victim's root-banded hair. The third issue is the amount of chloroform necessary to leave detectable residue 31 days later in FL temps, as chloroform is unstable and readily dissipates.  Which brings us full circle to issue number 1. What logical reasons would a 21 year old have for driving around a car with chloroform in the trunk? With the odor of decomp.? Not trying to be argumentative here and I do see your point about physically tying the chloroform to Casey.  That's where the computer searches tie in though, for recipes to make chloroform= means. No one else had possession of the car in the 31 days= opportunity.  Casey was telling friends she, alone, was getting the house= motive.  JMO

[islandmonkey]

Re: chloroform testimony:

When Vass got off the stand yesterday, it was likely that everyone hearing the testimony had a pretty clear opinion as to the significance of the chloroform in the trunk. The FBI witness has allowed for the possibility of that opinion to be muddied. I think that's much more likely for a juror that is predisposed to find Casey innocent, but I wish this witness from the FBI hadn't been part of this case or at least testified BEFORE Vass.

JMO.

I totally agree.  I wonder if the jury will discount his testimony all together - or if they're even allowed to do that? 

Ok, still trying to catch up and get an answer...so, this last FBI guy admitted that he hadn't tested air for chloroform before, is that correct? And what was the mistake I heard the prosecution had made wrt giving someone the wrong can????

Thanks

The can issue was a simple misidentification by Dr Vass yesterday between two cans & it was corrected on the record.

Thanks, so it was only misidentified in court and not in the testing process........phew, I feel better about that, but on my other qusetion..had this FBI guy ever tested for chloroform in the air or in the carpets??

[Northern Rose]

KBelichWFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV
Jury is listening intently

http://twitter.com/#!/KBelichWFTV

KerryNBC Kerry Sanders
#CaseyAnthony Deputy/dog handler has tablets with him that create odor of drowning victim. The defense theory: Caylee drowned.

http://twitter.com/#!/KerryNBC

Edit-  links are correct, but need to use hyperlink.  See how to:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9830.msg1336496#msg1336496

[ZooMomology]

Zoomomology- I hear you.  The overwhelming issue for the defense though is there's no need for chloroform in a trunk period. The secondary issue for them is that there is no logical (i.e. naturally occurring ) source for chloroform found in the suspects trunk with the victim's decomposition fluids and the victim's root-banded hair. The third issue is the amount of chloroform necessary to leave detectable residue 31 days later in FL temps, as chloroform is unstable and readily dissipates.  Which brings us full circle to issue number 1. What logical reasons would a 21 year old have for driving around a car with chloroform in the trunk? With the odor of decomp.? Not trying to be argumentative here and I do see your point about physically tying the chloroform to Casey.  That's where the computer searches tie in though, for recipes to make chloroform= means. No one else had possession of the car in the 31 days= opportunity.  Casey was telling friends she, alone, was getting the house= motive.  JMO

Oh, I agree.  I am sure she used chloroform, just not sure how she used it, but it is the jury that needs to be convinced, and the last witness, I don't think did anything to further that in the jury's minds.

[Tamikosmom]

The Dogs

Crime Expert Analyzes Casey Anthony Case, Evidence
POSTED: 4:04 pm EDT July 23, 2008
UPDATED: 4:17 pm EDT July 23, 2008

The Anthony's Backyard: Involved a tip that Casey Anthony borrowed a shovel from a neighbor. Two cadaver dogs pointed to the smell of decomposition near Caylee's playhouse.

Casey Anthony's Car: Detectives reported a different dog alerted to the same strong smell in the trunk after the white Pontiac had been abandoned in a parking lot

http://www.wftv.com/news/16968013/detail.html

[islandmonkey]

Re: chloroform testimony:

When Vass got off the stand yesterday, it was likely that everyone hearing the testimony had a pretty clear opinion as to the significance of the chloroform in the trunk. The FBI witness has allowed for the possibility of that opinion to be muddied. I think that's much more likely for a juror that is predisposed to find Casey innocent, but I wish this witness from the FBI hadn't been part of this case or at least testified BEFORE Vass.

JMO.

I totally agree.  I wonder if the jury will discount his testimony all together - or if they're even allowed to do that? 

Ok, still trying to catch up and get an answer...so, this last FBI guy admitted that he hadn't tested air for chloroform before, is that correct? And what was the mistake I heard the prosecution had made wrt giving someone the wrong can????

Thanks

You are correct.  The FBI guy has never tested air for chloroform.  The mistake came from Dr. Vass identifying the wrong can for the prosecution.  They brought him back today to correct the error.  No biggie on that.  Hope that helps some. 

    Yes it did!!! Now, I can go back to work and finish up so I can get out of here for graduation. Thanks bunches 

[Northern Rose]

anthonycase WOFL
#caseyanthony's defense team has two huge binders filled with information on deputy k9's and bones, both used in this case to sniff decomp

http://twitter.com/#!/anthonycase

[Tamikosmom]

I could be wrong and maybe misunderstood.  I'm very confused by his testimony.

I don't think he hurt the State's chloroform evidence, but I don't think he helped..he was very confusing

 

[New Monkey]

[quote author=ZooMomology link=topic=10313.msg1381546#msg1381546

Oh, I agree.  I am sure she used chloroform, just not sure how she used it, but it is the jury that needs to be convinced, and the last witness, I don't think did anything to further that in the jury's minds.
[/quote]
I completely agree.

[Shan1628]

anthonycase WOFL
#caseyanthony's defense team has two huge binders filled with information on deputy k9's and bones, both used in this case to sniff decomp

http://twitter.com/#!/anthonycase

Oh no.  More 'crap slinging' from the duhfense coming up.   

[Shan1628]

I could be wrong and maybe misunderstood.  I'm very confused by his testimony.

I don't think he hurt the State's chloroform evidence, but I don't think he helped..he was very confusing

 

ITA Sunny.  Well put. 

[Cappuccino]

anthonycase WOFL
#caseyanthony's defense team has two huge binders filled with information on deputy k9's and bones, both used in this case to sniff decomp

http://twitter.com/#!/anthonycase

We have all witnessed already who the attack dogs are versus canine heros that help with criminal investigation as will as search & rescue.

[crazybabyborg]

anthonycase WOFL
#caseyanthony's defense team has two huge binders filled with information on deputy k9's and bones, both used in this case to sniff decomp

http://twitter.com/#!/anthonycase

I'm so sorry to hear that....... ugh! Maybe it also contains prospective sidebar conversation and what they really have on the handler and dog is a couple of pages?   


LUNCH RECESS.......

[Brandi]

Special lunch for the jury today (Italian or steak dinners.)

Judge Perry tries to take such good care of the jury!

Recess until 1:30