Lively Case Discussion #597 4/7 - 4/9/2007

[justinsmama]

isnt it possible that the whole thing is a FAKE

 Robots.. after seeing these photos by  klass and CBB the past few days// I do  tend  to believe those photos have been messed with..     Its horrid!
  I mean I am so damn computer dumb it isnt funny,, but a blind person can see the differences in those pics.  Its all so SICK and to see now,  2 yrs later, it probably was tampered with?  Ughhhhhhhh  
   
  I justy  heard a song on XM.. and when I hear it  I dont know why..  I think of this case.    I gotta look it up on you tube..

Back then, though, before we knew how utterly EVIL some entities were, why would we have even looked much closer at it? As I recall, the issue at the time was whether Nat was dancing on the bar vs. the stage.    As if the former would have absolved the ugly, freakish sporter of any wrongdoing. Smacks of Renfro and her cronies.

[Elaine]

Anna - do you remember if that Natalee dancing on the bar photo was ever shown on the MSM news?

No, Not any news I ever saw, just the one of her dancing with her freinds on stage, that was shown as possiblt the last photo ever taken of her.

[klaasend]

I think the girl in the immediate foreground IS Lee Broughton, the outfit is the exact same and it is even more intricate than Natalee's.

HOWEVER... the hair is all wrong. In the pic with "Natalee" the hair is piled up at the top of the head entirely differently than in other pictures of Lee. In fact, it looks like a beehive cut on top. That is a Photoshop effect for sure, someone increased the fullness of her hair on top to cover the rough edges of the "Natalee" image spliced in just above it.

Otherwise, "Natalee's" arm wouldn't have been long enough to disappear behind the hair.  

Natalee's arm is not disappearing behind hair, that has been photoshopped.

[2NJSons_Mom]

QUESTION - does anyone remember if the photo of Natalee dancing on the bar in CnC was ever on the news?  Fox or MSNBC?

I remember seeing it here...not on TV....but I'm old like some other monkeys...no names mentioned, of course.

[Elaine]

Does anyone have a photo of that Angela that took the pictures to be developed for Beth. Or know her last name? TIA

[robots]

QUESTION - does anyone remember if the photo of Natalee dancing on the bar in CnC was ever on the news?  Fox or MSNBC?

Not that I know of, but I rarely get to use my tv for news. Even back then, it was a fight with Justin to take control of the channels on the living room tv.

 

who is the Boss ??  

LOL  

Obviously, it ain't me!     some battles are not worth taking on!

lol,,,,,,,,,,i hear ya  

[Elaine]

QUESTION - does anyone remember if the photo of Natalee dancing on the bar in CnC was ever on the news?  Fox or MSNBC?

I remember seeing it here...not on TV....but I'm old like some other monkeys...no names mentioned, of course.

[klaasend]

#1  I believe Red is going to do a front page post on THAT photoshopped picture tonight.  I've done a couple of enhancements that will point out a couple of the photoshopped areas.

#2  We think that Jossy will be on the Dana Pretzer show Monday night

[klaasend]

Does anyone have a photo of that Angela that took the pictures to be developed for Beth. Or know her last name? TIA

Angela Munzenhofer - reporter and friend of Julia Renfro. Family owns the Buccaneer Restaurant

[2NJSons_Mom]

QUESTION - does anyone remember if the photo of Natalee dancing on the bar in CnC was ever on the news?  Fox or MSNBC?

I remember seeing it here...not on TV....but I'm old like some other monkeys...no names mentioned, of course.

Guess I pressed a button, Elaine...keep your lenses clean, honey.  

[sb]

Right Klaas, they built up the hair higher on her head, and so the arm looks like it is obscured behind the hair.

That hair does NOT look like any other pictures of Lee Broughton. She doesn't have a beehive or pancake bun on top.

[klaasend]

Right Klaas, they built up the hair higher on her head, and so the arm looks like it is obscured behind the hair.

That hair does NOT look like any other pictures of Lee Broughton. She doesn't have a beehive or pancake bun on top.

There will be a photo Red posts on the front page where I've enlarged and marked that photoshopped area in particular. You can see the square where it was photoshopped in the picture.

[Elaine]

QUESTION - does anyone remember if the photo of Natalee dancing on the bar in CnC was ever on the news?  Fox or MSNBC?

I remember seeing it here...not on TV....but I'm old like some other monkeys...no names mentioned, of course.

Guess I pressed a button, Elaine...keep your lenses clean, honey.  

I sure will    

[IBE]

2NJSons_Mom

I remember seeing it here...not on TV....but I'm old like some other monkeys...no names mentioned, of course.

   

PS  if you are near a Rite Aid I found the cutest little bunny socks.. images all over the socks in different colors and little bunnies attached to the sides. Of course I bought some for the children ie: me!

[Anna]

Klaas,
I believe there is another image of the original buried in those RWV archives with a little wider perspective of the same photo but can't guarantee it or even that it has not been removed.  Was there at one time IIRC.  Nothing new but can see more of Lee's outfit.

This was cropped like that to cut out the tourists who supposedly sent the photos to Dan.  

Now I was wondering if you could lighten the whole original from top to bottom evenly.  I just wanted to see the other image that also looks like Joran.

I also remember trying to lighten the image of the girl in the doorway but it just turned into a blob for me.  

So who would have been shopping photos that quickly?  Had to be someone in the little inner circle.  I guess the idea was to make Natalee look as rowdy as possible.  That means it is a person who thinks a girl's behavior dictates what happens to her or that girls ask for it, etc.  

So there are clues as to who would do this.  

Personally I think girls should be allowed to express sexuality as much as boys but because any girl is dancing on a bar does not mean anything should happen to her nor give anybody the right to so much as touch her.

So perhaps they made a major miscalculation as I am a very staid, conservative middle-aged woman and still think this way.  Even if Girls Are Gone Wild, they still do not deserve anything bad to happen to them.  

And be that as it may, I have always just doubted Natalee Holloway was behaving in anything other than her usual rather well behaved manner.  Note the girls in the casino.  They are models of decorum and so well behaved.

Before Aruba got the spin going, one of the chaperons commented on the compliments he received from the hotel and other guests on how well behaved the kids were.  All that suddenly changed and I think we were supposed to turn on Natalee and even Beth because of it.  They changed their story on how the kids behaved.  

But I have just never believed it for a minute.  Show me one photo or video of any of those kids acting wild, not that dancing on the bar is and that is a stage just for that.

What I am trying to say is that immediately a propaganda war was started to silence the parents and slander the kids.  Their behavior was exaggerated in the hope of embarrassing the parents into silence.

Same for tales of Natalee not sleeping in her room when she did so, being seen dining with various males when she did not, just generally made up stuff.

And this makes no sense but will work and lurk.  I must work to get ready for Easter tomorrow and it is very cold here.

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[Elaine]

Does anyone have a photo of that Angela that took the pictures to be developed for Beth. Or know her last name? TIA

Angela Munzenhofer - reporter and friend of Julia Renfro. Family owns the Buccaneer Restaurant

Thanks, I wanted to see if she looks like Julia at all, but I guess not. I have it on good authority that Julia has a sister who also was on and off of Aruba, a sister named Angela

[Elaine]

Right Klaas, they built up the hair higher on her head, and so the arm looks like it is obscured behind the hair.

That hair does NOT look like any other pictures of Lee Broughton. She doesn't have a beehive or pancake bun on top.

I agree with you on this.

[Anna]

Right Klaas, they built up the hair higher on her head, and so the arm looks like it is obscured behind the hair.

That hair does NOT look like any other pictures of Lee Broughton. She doesn't have a beehive or pancake bun on top.

There will be a photo Red posts on the front page where I've enlarged and marked that photoshopped area in particular. You can see the square where it was photoshopped in the picture.

Oh, good.

Nevermind lightening it.

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[klaasend]

Klaas,
I believe there is another image of the original buried in those RWV archives with a little wider perspective of the same photo but can't guarantee it or even that it has not been removed.  Was there at one time IIRC.  Nothing new but can see more of Lee's outfit.

This was cropped like that to cut out the tourists who supposedly sent the photos to Dan.  

Now I was wondering if you could lighten the whole original from top to bottom evenly.  I just wanted to see the other image that also looks like Joran.

I also remember trying to lighten the image of the girl in the doorway but it just turned into a blob for me.  

So who would have been shopping photos that quickly?  Had to be someone in the little inner circle.  I guess the idea was to make Natalee look as rowdy as possible.  That means it is a person who thinks a girl's behavior dictates what happens to her or that girls ask for it, etc.  

So there are clues as to who would do this.  

Personally I think girls should be allowed to express sexuality as much as boys but because any girl is dancing on a bar does not mean anything should happen to her nor give anybody the right to so much as touch her.

So perhaps they made a major miscalculation as I am a very staid, conservative middle-aged woman and still think this way.  Even if Girls Are Gone Wild, they still do not deserve anything bad to happen to them.  

And be that as it may, I have always just doubted Natalee Holloway was behaving in anything other than her usual rather well behaved manner.  Note the girls in the casino.  They are models of decorum and so well behaved.

Before Aruba got the spin going, one of the chaperons commented on the compliments he received from the hotel and other guests on how well behaved the kids were.  All that suddenly changed and I think we were supposed to turn on Natalee and even Beth because of it.  They changed their story on how the kids behaved.  

But I have just never believed it for a minute.  Show me one photo or video of any of those kids acting wild, not that dancing on the bar is and that is a stage just for that.

What I am trying to say is that immediately a propaganda war was started to silence the parents and slander the kids.  Their behavior was exaggerated in the hope of embarrassing the parents into silence.

Same for tales of Natalee not sleeping in her room when she did so, being seen dining with various males when she did not, just generally made up stuff.

And this makes no sense but will work and lurk.  I must work to get ready for Easter tomorrow and it is very cold here.

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There was this shot and the narrow one but I don't see the wider shot at RWV now.  You can see more of Lee's outfit in the narrow shot.  It does look like Lee is wearing a different skirt at CnC than she was at the beach:

[yapperz1]

Klaas just found this pic in my stash. Look next to the guy at the bar. It looks like the gal standing next to him is blonde & has on a black n white dress.
Am I seeing things?