Lively Case Discussion #597 4/7 - 4/9/2007

[carpe noctem]

Do you think this one has been tampered with as well? The seam seems in the wrong place, but that may be a "fold"...........I need to look at it more closely.

CBB...

That white spot is on EVERY GENUINE PHOTO of Natalee wearing it.


The ONLY EXCEPTION is the bar shot.

It is a rip, fold or fabric flaw... and visible in all shots except the bar shot.

WHERE IT SHOULD BE EASILY SEEN.

[crazybabyborg]

Good deal, Klaas!   I'm going to be in and out today too, but will catch up when I can. Klaas, if you have time at some point, I can't find a full pic of the bar photo that hasn't been labeled. The highlighted corner is ok, but if you have it and could post it, I promise I'll save it and not ask again?   TIA and just whenever you have time.

[carpe noctem]

Do you think this one has been tampered with as well? The seam seems in the wrong place, but that may be a "fold"...........I need to look at it more closely.

CBB - I don't think that photo has been tampered with, I'm sure it came from one of the MB kids cameras.

Right. So Carpe has found a really good "proof" of the difference in the strap of the top on the bar photo. Good work, Carpe!  

There's a lot of absolute proofs on the fakery of that photo, and this is a good one!

awww, I couldn't do it w/out feeding off you guys. You alll do stellar work
too, both you and klaasy!

[crazybabyborg]

Do you think this one has been tampered with as well? The seam seems in the wrong place, but that may be a "fold"...........I need to look at it more closely.

CBB...

That white spot is on EVERY GENUINE PHOTO of Natalee wearing it.


The ONLY EXCEPTION is the bar shot.

It is a rip, fold or fabric flaw... and visible in all shots except the bar shot.

WHERE IT SHOULD BE EASILY SEEN.

Great point, Carpe! THANK YOU for posting that and putting that together. It's an important point!

[klaasend]

Do you think this one has been tampered with as well? The seam seems in the wrong place, but that may be a "fold"...........I need to look at it more closely.

CBB...

That white spot is on EVERY GENUINE PHOTO of Natalee wearing it.


The ONLY EXCEPTION is the bar shot.

It is a rip, fold or fabric flaw... and visible in all shots except the bar shot.

WHERE IT SHOULD BE EASILY SEEN.

Even it that was a real photo of Natalee bending down, it could be that the angle would obscure that white spot.  

I want to add here that I have no doubt that Natalee was indeed dancing on the stage right next to that bar area.  This photo that was posted at RWV in July 2005 was photoshopped though, I have no doubt about it.

[klaasend]

Good deal, Klaas!   I'm going to be in and out today too, but will catch up when I can. Klaas, if you have time at some point, I can't find a full pic of the bar photo that hasn't been labeled. The highlighted corner is ok, but if you have it and could post it, I promise I'll save it and not ask again?   TIA and just whenever you have time.

This is the best I have:

[klaasend]

FYI - The reason I write on the photos is that I don't want them passed off as original or unenhanced.

[crazybabyborg]

I'm glad you said that Klaas. Whether she was or not has no bearing on anything IMO. The FACT this photo was faked and put out for public persuasion, DOES!

[crazybabyborg]

FYI - The reason I write on the photos is that I don't want them passed off as original or unenhanced.

And you do it with such neat arrows, too!   My "painted" ones leave a bit to be desired.  

It's extremely helpful to label the "finds" and I'm glad you do. My bad for not saving a clean one. At some point, I want to cut the whole photo as near as I can to what the original was. I have saved it, Klaas! THX!

[carpe noctem]

Do you think this one has been tampered with as well? The seam seems in the wrong place, but that may be a "fold"...........I need to look at it more closely.

CBB...

That white spot is on EVERY GENUINE PHOTO of Natalee wearing it.


The ONLY EXCEPTION is the bar shot.

It is a rip, fold or fabric flaw... and visible in all shots except the bar shot.

WHERE IT SHOULD BE EASILY SEEN.

Even it that was a real photo of Natalee bending down, it could be that the angle would obscure that white spot.  

I want to add here that I have no doubt that Natalee was indeed dancing on the stage right next to that bar area.  This photo that was posted at RWV in July 2005 was photoshopped though, I have no doubt about it.

I think possibly, yes. ...but probably no... imo - we should see

even just a flicker of white... that is what I see from following the number of lines in the shirt pattern.

[BTgirl]

I want to add here that I have no doubt that Natalee was indeed dancing on the stage right next to that bar area.  This photo that was posted at RWV in July 2005 was photoshopped though, I have no doubt about it.

Question: If the stage area near the bar was meant to be danced on, and lots of people were doing just that, what was the point in photoshopping the picture? Was it meant to look more like Natalee was literally dancing on a bar, so that we would think she was completely out of control?

[crazybabyborg]

I was trying to find one that had that brown bottle in it. I went to Reihl World but was unsuccessful. If anyone has the uncropped pic, I'd really appreciate it if you'd post it. TIA

[Nut44x4]

Seems most covo is here......and I need help. Son is getting married in June/he has many family members due 2 divorce on both sides. Wondering if the same color  
Champagne/darker beige color is appropriate for 2 MOTHERS.....step-mom (who thinks she is mom) and ME--the real mother of the groom.  I THINK WE CAN BOTH PULL IT OFF.....in Champagne color together...we are not friends, but we do communicate. SO IS IT OK 4 US (me as MOM-and HER as STEP-MOM to wear the same color at wedding)>>>??? INPUT PLEASE.......I KNOW this is not in the right place.....but I had no idea where to put it

[carpe noctem]

klaas,

could you post up the pic of Natalee dancing on stage?

[crazybabyborg]

I want to add here that I have no doubt that Natalee was indeed dancing on the stage right next to that bar area.  This photo that was posted at RWV in July 2005 was photoshopped though, I have no doubt about it.

Question: If the stage area near the bar was meant to be danced on, and lots of people were doing just that, what was the point in photoshopping the picture? Was it meant to look more like Natalee was literally dancing on a bar, so that we would think she was completely out of control?

In a nutshell, yes. I firmly believe that someone was trying hard to make the point that Natalee didn't "suddenly" become incoherent or drunk after Joran's arrival, but was descendingly drunk over time all night. If that point was important enough to go to this trouble, it's affirmation to me that Joran drugged her and she quickly succumbed to the effects of the drug.

[carpe noctem]

[klaasend]

I want to add here that I have no doubt that Natalee was indeed dancing on the stage right next to that bar area.  This photo that was posted at RWV in July 2005 was photoshopped though, I have no doubt about it.

Question: If the stage area near the bar was meant to be danced on, and lots of people were doing just that, what was the point in photoshopping the picture? Was it meant to look more like Natalee was literally dancing on a bar, so that we would think she was completely out of control?

Yes

[klaasend]

klaas,

could you post up the pic of Natalee dancing on stage?

[carpe noctem]

ty, klaas

you're awesome. (and fast)

[crazybabyborg]

Seems most covo is here......and I need help. Son is getting married in June/he has many family members due 2 divorce on both sides. Wondering if the same color  
Champagne/darker beige color is appropriate for 2 MOTHERS.....step-mom (who thinks she is mom) and ME--the real mother of the groom.  I THINK WE CAN BOTH PULL IT OFF.....in Champagne color together...we are not friends, but we do communicate. SO IS IT OK 4 US (me as MOM-and HER as STEP-MOM to wear the same color at wedding)>>>??? INPUT PLEASE.......I KNOW this is not in the right place.....but I had no idea where to put it

IMO, that's just fine. That's a lovely color for the Mother of either bride or groom, and if both select it, no problem. The same dress would be a problem   but the color shouldn't matter at all. I'd be surprised if the color was an exact match anyway. Most of the time, there's either a slight pink, gray, or yellow hint to champaigne. That's my best advice, for whatever it's worth.