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« Reply #300 on: July 21, 2006, 02:55:03 PM »

Klaas - I don't know HOW I made a double post - But anyhoo - can you delete one for me?? Embarassed
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« Reply #301 on: July 21, 2006, 02:56:24 PM »

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Did we find the pics first - do the other blogs have them?

No, I doubt they knew where to look.  I just happened to know that the CoolAruba site always put up party pics from Bahia and the other bars.  That's where I got those photos from.


Good Day Monkeys Smile

I just wonder if any Aruba media outlets would be interested in these photos?  And doing an article on them
"Joran vacations in Aruba to help bolster the economy"

After all Joran is staying in Aruba at a hotel taking in the night life ( much like a tourist would)   spending $$.  This has got to help their economy in way of tax revenues.

I just wonder if he is counted as a tourist in their statistics?
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« Reply #302 on: July 21, 2006, 02:56:40 PM »

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Hi last night there was a post saying comments regarding my thursday show were gathered and added to a letter that was sent to sirius?
I cant remember who made that post but i want to thank them and ask if they could send me a copy of the comments and the letter assuming they still have it.
I havent heard anything from either XM or Sirius but I do appreciate all of your help.
If you still have that letter can you email it to me at bruins_fan@sasktel.net

Thanks Again.


Hi Dana - I don't remember who it was but I'll search for it. Wink
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« Reply #303 on: July 21, 2006, 02:57:07 PM »

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Deetch wanted some stuff re : detainees and dates and I could NOT remember. So, I have more time next week and I am going to go thru some stuff while it is still available. That thing that I found is very puzzling. Plus, there is more regarding the bloodstains... one reporter said yes, the FBI had it, the next reporter said no ?
I want to go back and see what some of the original people said at the time, not months later when my memory has faded.


You can send this to him:

Suspects/ arrestees:

Joran Andreas Petrus van der Sloot (DOB 8-6-87) – arrested 6-9-05, released 9-3-05 by Judge R Smid , under “reasonable suspicion of murder, manslaughter or intentional containment with the dead as consequence”

Deepak Sharma Kalpoe(DOB 10-6-83) – arrested 6-9-05, released 7-4-05,  under “reasonable suspicion of murder, manslaughter or intentional containment with the dead as consequence” re-arrested on 8-26-05 under suspicion of ----, released 9-3-05 by Judge Rick SMid

Satish Kalpoe(DOB 7-30-86)  - arrested 6-9-05 along with his brother Deepak, & Joran. Seemingly unemployed 18 year old citizen of Suriname under “reasonable suspicion of murder, manslaughter or intentional containment with the dead as consequence”  Re-arrested on 8-26-05 under suspicion of ----- & released 9-3-05 by Judge R Smid

Paulus van der Sloot - Father of suspect Joran Van der Sloot. Citizen of the Netherlands, at present residing in Aruba.  Arrested 6-23-2005, released 6-26-05.  Suspicion of  complicity to premeditated murder, complicity to murder and complicity to kidnapping.

Antonius Mickey Johns - age 30, Security guard arrested  6-5-05 on suspicion of first- and second-degree murder and capital kidnapping after being fingered by unknown witness.  He was later released on 6-13-05. Stated that while JOHN and Deepak were in jail, Current Suspect D. KALPOE told him that J2K went to lighthouse and then to Marriott Beach, and not the HI.  Also told Johns, that Paulus told them “no body, no case.”

Abraham Jones: 28 year old security guard arrested 6-5- 05  with Mickey John on suspicion of first- and second-degree murder and capital kidnapping, and later released on 6-13-05.



Geoffry van Cromvoirt - 19 years old, resident of Aruba, detained by ALE on April 15, 2006 in unannounced connection to Natalee Holloway case. Son of owner of an island security company that supplies equipment and personnel to beach patrol and hotels.

Guido Wever – 19 years old, former resident of Aruba, now residing in the NL.  Was a croupier at the Excelsior Casino.  Said to have left Aruba abruptly within weeks of Natalee’s disappearance. Reported to be good friends with Joran, and gambling with him on May 30/31 when Natalee’s loved ones arrived in Aruba.  Arrested on 5-20-06, released on 5-23-06, under suspicion of accessory to murder, kidnapping and battery.

Freddy Zedan Arambatzis – age 21, Freddy Arambatzis-Zedan: Friend and neighbor of JVDS and reported guest at the VDS house the night of Natalee's disappearance.  Arrested 8-26-06 under suspicion of intentionally distributing and showing  sexual images of a minor,  intercourse with someone he knows is unconscious, and sexual acts with a girl younger than 16 years.  (a.k.a. Locoman Pimp,” a.k.a. “badboy_956,” a.k.a. “Freddy Zedan”)

Seferino “Steve”  Gregory Croes – age 26, DJ on party boat the Tatoo, who gave false testimony regarding the Holiday Inn Drop Off alibi.  Arrested 6-17-05, released 6-27-06  

E.B. – questioned and released on 4-22-06

Columbian witness – reportedly currently detained in Aruba
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« Reply #304 on: July 21, 2006, 02:59:50 PM »

OK, is no one going to comment on my fundraising idea?


I've been thinking on how we can raise money to send TES back to Aruba.
I'm thinking along the lines of something like another cookbook of sorts. Except this time we try to get a favorite recipe from people like Jossy, Art Wood, Beth, Dave, Stephanie Good, Tim Miller, etc. Maybe we could even include some of the cable talking heads recipes. On each person's page we also include one or several of their profound quotes about the case. Maybe Beth will even share with us one of Natalee's favorite recipes. Then we can also feauture the hilarious artwork of people like Klaas, Carpe and a few others if they are willing. We can have a page with all of our candles. I'm willing to offer my tribute poem to Natalee as well. We can also include recipes from us to round out the book too.

What do you all think?
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« Reply #305 on: July 21, 2006, 03:00:16 PM »

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According to MF at Refugees:

Yes, he was on vacation staying at the Marriott with his girlfriend. Having fun in the pool, playing soccer on the beach and with a lot of American tourists taking pictures and filming everything he did, maybe one even sold this "exclusive" to the show.

According to Dilbart at Refugees:


Yes, he is staying in Aruba until college starts in september.


Why is he staying at the Marriott?  Doesn't he have a house in Aruba?? Shocked   I know, you don't have to answer this.

 Laughing I asked the same question.


He did the same thing when he went to Aruba durring Xmas break.  He stayed at the Marriott.  Makes you wonder?


Well, it makes me wonder, that's for sure!
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« Reply #306 on: July 21, 2006, 03:05:46 PM »

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Deetch wanted some stuff re : detainees and dates and I could NOT remember. So, I have more time next week and I am going to go thru some stuff while it is still available. That thing that I found is very puzzling. Plus, there is more regarding the bloodstains... one reporter said yes, the FBI had it, the next reporter said no ?
I want to go back and see what some of the original people said at the time, not months later when my memory has faded.


You can send this to him:

Suspects/ arrestees:

Joran Andreas Petrus van der Sloot (DOB 8-6-87) – arrested 6-9-05, released 9-3-05 by Judge R Smid , under “reasonable suspicion of murder, manslaughter or intentional containment with the dead as consequence”

Deepak Sharma Kalpoe(DOB 10-6-83) – arrested 6-9-05, released 7-4-05,  under “reasonable suspicion of murder, manslaughter or intentional containment with the dead as consequence” re-arrested on 8-26-05 under suspicion of ----, released 9-3-05 by Judge Rick SMid

Satish Kalpoe(DOB 7-30-86)  - arrested 6-9-05 along with his brother Deepak, & Joran. Seemingly unemployed 18 year old citizen of Suriname under “reasonable suspicion of murder, manslaughter or intentional containment with the dead as consequence”  Re-arrested on 8-26-05 under suspicion of ----- & released 9-3-05 by Judge R Smid

Paulus van der Sloot - Father of suspect Joran Van der Sloot. Citizen of the Netherlands, at present residing in Aruba.  Arrested 6-23-2005, released 6-26-05.  Suspicion of  complicity to premeditated murder, complicity to murder and complicity to kidnapping.

Antonius Mickey Johns - age 30, Security guard arrested  6-5-05 on suspicion of first- and second-degree murder and capital kidnapping after being fingered by unknown witness.  He was later released on 6-13-05. Stated that while JOHN and Deepak were in jail, Current Suspect D. KALPOE told him that J2K went to lighthouse and then to Marriott Beach, and not the HI.  Also told Johns, that Paulus told them “no body, no case.”

Abraham Jones: 28 year old security guard arrested 6-5- 05  with Mickey John on suspicion of first- and second-degree murder and capital kidnapping, and later released on 6-13-05.



Geoffry van Cromvoirt - 19 years old, resident of Aruba, detained by ALE on April 15, 2006 in unannounced connection to Natalee Holloway case. Son of owner of an island security company that supplies equipment and personnel to beach patrol and hotels.

Guido Wever – 19 years old, former resident of Aruba, now residing in the NL.  Was a croupier at the Excelsior Casino.  Said to have left Aruba abruptly within weeks of Natalee’s disappearance. Reported to be good friends with Joran, and gambling with him on May 30/31 when Natalee’s loved ones arrived in Aruba.  Arrested on 5-20-06, released on 5-23-06, under suspicion of accessory to murder, kidnapping and battery.

Freddy Zedan Arambatzis – age 21, Freddy Arambatzis-Zedan: Friend and neighbor of JVDS and reported guest at the VDS house the night of Natalee's disappearance.  Arrested 8-26-06 under suspicion of intentionally distributing and showing  sexual images of a minor,  intercourse with someone he knows is unconscious, and sexual acts with a girl younger than 16 years.  (a.k.a. Locoman Pimp,” a.k.a. “badboy_956,” a.k.a. “Freddy Zedan”)

Seferino “Steve”  Gregory Croes – age 26, DJ on party boat the Tatoo, who gave false testimony regarding the Holiday Inn Drop Off alibi.  Arrested 6-17-05, released 6-27-06  

E.B. – questioned and released on 4-22-06

Columbian witness – reportedly currently detained in Aruba

Thank you. I am not in contact with the Deetch, but he was asking over at BFN. I always thought Jaime Carrasquella ( sp ) was picked up at the same time as Freddy A-Z. His is another name that has not been mentioned lately. He was a good friend of that pile 'o pimps .
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« Reply #307 on: July 21, 2006, 03:06:06 PM »

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Never saw that movie!!! ha ha

But for real guys!! Think NOW IS THE TIME TO GET PUMPED!!!
Forget about me being a former cheerleader!!! haha
Look at the message...I truly am a psychology major...and hasn't it all been about psychology? "Games" as some would say? I think we have Joran...trapped in his own psychology...his own sick demented mind!!
PLEASE!!! for one minute!! understand his weakness...is our justice!!

I really have to go!! Took the whole day off of work!! I am telling you...the pics really got me!! Don't they get you? I know they do...the injustice of the whole thing!! Too much for me to handle...I mean it!! I am just FURIOUS!!! and ready for an offensive!!


I am trying really hard not to take this in a negative way but I think SM has stayed pumped for the whole time since Day 1 when we got the word Natalee's parents had gone to Aruba taking money for ransom and that she had been kidnapped.

What am I missing here??  We are not doing enough or should be doing something differently?  All the hard work and good things of the past we have brought about don't count for some reason?  

I'm willing to try just about anything to help but what is it we are not doing right?   Sad ldstlou, have you been reading here for the whole time?  I am surprised you would feel this way if you have but guess some will have a different take on our efforts than I have.  But I do respect your right to yours and we're all good. Wink Just what is it we are lacking or supposed to do that we have not been doing all the time?  I guess I need instructions because I can't come up with much or I would be doing it. Confused

I think I have witnessed some stellar accomplishments on this forum and the Front Page and celebrate them.  I would match our number of unique finds against any other effort in fact.  And in recognition of the tremendous effort by so many I award SM the following:



and every monkey a



Guess we are all entitled to our opinions, though, and I do respect those of ALL monkeys regardless of whether or not I agree.  And the Late Night Crew has recently made some really good progress studying the tape taken in the police van among the three suspects that is really incredible!  Kudos to Robots for his good insight!

 Very Happy

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« Reply #308 on: July 21, 2006, 03:08:31 PM »

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All I know is the mother of that blonde has got to be OUT OF HER MIND!!


The blonde may be an actress who is paid to be on Joran's arm. He wants to flaunt it to Natalee's family and also rehab his image with the Arubans.


That's what I'm thinking....someone hired by Cohen? He's camping out at the Marriott just to be sure that he gets seen by the public ??? This is all for show. Maybe he's got some sort of summer job at the Marriott.
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« Reply #309 on: July 21, 2006, 03:12:49 PM »

Props to Leslie for finding the pics!

Nice Work Leslie! (The Bahia ones)

And as always to our Klaas...............THE Cool !
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« Reply #310 on: July 21, 2006, 03:14:54 PM »

Dear SunFreak2,

I think your idea is a good one. The first thought that hit me was - how are we going to get recipes from the people you listed below?

I think each of us can come up with a poem so that would fill up some pages.

Since the last cookbook, we have posted a lot of new recipes.

So, I think your idea is great. How can we implement it?

Love, Mama Louise

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I've been thinking on how we can raise money to send TES back to Aruba.
I'm thinking along the lines of something like another cookbook of sorts. Except this time we try to get a favorite recipe from people like Jossy, Art Wood, Beth, Dave, Stephanie Good, Tim Miller, etc. Maybe we could even include some of the cable talking heads recipes. On each person's page we also include one or several of their profound quotes about the case. Maybe Beth will even share with us one of Natalee's favorite recipes. Then we can also feauture the hilarious artwork of people like Klaas, Carpe and a few others if they are willing. We can have a page with all of our candles. I'm willing to offer my tribute poem to Natalee as well. We can also include recipes from us to round out the book too.
What do you all think?
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« Reply #311 on: July 21, 2006, 03:15:02 PM »

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Props to Leslie for finding the pics!

Nice Work Leslie! (The Bahia ones)

And as always to our Klaas...............THE Cool !


Leslie found the picture in Bondia.  I then found the pictures that are on the FP of SM at the CoolAruba site.  I would not have thought to look there if it weren't for Leslie pointing to the photo in Bondia.
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« Reply #312 on: July 21, 2006, 03:15:11 PM »

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Quote from: "Dana"
Hi last night there was a post saying comments regarding my thursday show were gathered and added to a letter that was sent to sirius?
I cant remember who made that post but i want to thank them and ask if they could send me a copy of the comments and the letter assuming they still have it.
I havent heard anything from either XM or Sirius but I do appreciate all of your help.
If you still have that letter can you email it to me at bruins_fan@sasktel.net

Thanks Again.


Hi Dana - I don't remember who it was but I'll search for it. Wink



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« Reply #313 on: July 21, 2006, 03:16:24 PM »

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Quote from: "klaasend"
According to MF at Refugees:

Yes, he was on vacation staying at the Marriott with his girlfriend. Having fun in the pool, playing soccer on the beach and with a lot of American tourists taking pictures and filming everything he did, maybe one even sold this "exclusive" to the show.

According to Dilbart at Refugees:


Yes, he is staying in Aruba until college starts in september.

Now here is my question.  Why would he be staying at the Marriott with his girlfriend when he has his own apartment right at home.  Is there something that bothers him at the house?  Because according to Anita Van der Sloot Joran brings girls home all the time.


HE NEEDS A MAID.  THIS GIRL(?) OLDER WOMAN HE IS WITH,  LOOKS EUROTRASHY.
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« Reply #314 on: July 21, 2006, 03:16:34 PM »

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Quote from: "ldstlou"
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Never saw that movie!!! ha ha

But for real guys!! Think NOW IS THE TIME TO GET PUMPED!!!
Forget about me being a former cheerleader!!! haha
Look at the message...I truly am a psychology major...and hasn't it all been about psychology? "Games" as some would say? I think we have Joran...trapped in his own psychology...his own sick demented mind!!
PLEASE!!! for one minute!! understand his weakness...is our justice!!

I really have to go!! Took the whole day off of work!! I am telling you...the pics really got me!! Don't they get you? I know they do...the injustice of the whole thing!! Too much for me to handle...I mean it!! I am just FURIOUS!!! and ready for an offensive!!


I am trying really hard not to take this in a negative way but I think SM has stayed pumped for the whole time since Day 1 when we got the word Natalee's parents had gone to Aruba taking money for ransom and that she had been kidnapped.

What am I missing here??  We are not doing enough or should be doing something differently?  All the hard work and good things of the past we have brought about don't count for some reason?  

I'm willing to try just about anything to help but what is it we are not doing right?   Sad ldstlou, have you been reading here for the whole time?  I am surprised you would feel this way if you have but guess some will have a different take on our efforts than I have.  But I do respect your right to yours and we're all good. Wink Just what is it we are lacking or supposed to do that we have not been doing all the time?  I guess I need instructions because I can't come up with much or I would be doing it. Confused

I think I have witnessed some stellar accomplishments on this forum and the Front Page and celebrate them.  I would match our number of unique finds against any other effort in fact.  And in recognition of the tremendous effort by so many I award SM the following:



and every monkey a



Guess we are all entitled to our opinions, though, and I do respect those of ALL monkeys regardless of whether or not I agree.  And the Late Night Crew has recently made some really good progress studying the tape taken in the police van among the three suspects that is really incredible!  Kudos to Robots for his good insight!

 Very Happy


Anna, it was a response to something I said about all we could do.
Just something lost in the sending and the receiving of the intent. I explained. In communications, it is called " noise "
No worries Anna. Everyone here is on the same page.
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« Reply #315 on: July 21, 2006, 03:18:39 PM »

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Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Dana"
Hi last night there was a post saying comments regarding my thursday show were gathered and added to a letter that was sent to sirius?
I cant remember who made that post but i want to thank them and ask if they could send me a copy of the comments and the letter assuming they still have it.
I havent heard anything from either XM or Sirius but I do appreciate all of your help.
If you still have that letter can you email it to me at bruins_fan@sasktel.net

Thanks Again.


Hi Dana - I don't remember who it was but I'll search for it. Wink



Thanks


Dana - I wonder if it was Sleuth?  She collects the transcripts and comments and puts them into a thread.  I'll look through Sleuths posts from last night and see.  In the mean time, here is the thread for links and transcripts from last nights show:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=103
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« Reply #316 on: July 21, 2006, 03:21:31 PM »

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All I know is the mother of that blonde has got to be OUT OF HER MIND!!


The blonde may be an actress who is paid to be on Joran's arm. He wants to flaunt it to Natalee's family and also rehab his image with the Arubans.


That's what I'm thinking....someone hired by Cohen? He's camping out at the Marriott just to be sure that he gets seen by the public ??? This is all for show. Maybe he's got some sort of summer job at the Marriott.


This seems a little far fetched to me.  Like someone said just a short time ago (sorry I don't remember who), it wouldn't be unusual at all to think someone like Joran may have found some clueless woman to want to be with him...even considering his "situation".  Many convicted killers have had MANY women throwing themselves at them.  It's sick, but a fact none-the-less. Hell, even OJ had a girlfriend after nearly cutting his won wife's head off.  Think about it...
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« Reply #317 on: July 21, 2006, 03:23:26 PM »

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OK, is no one going to comment on my fundraising idea?


I've been thinking on how we can raise money to send TES back to Aruba.
I'm thinking along the lines of something like another cookbook of sorts. Except this time we try to get a favorite recipe from people like Jossy, Art Wood, Beth, Dave, Stephanie Good, Tim Miller, etc. Maybe we could even include some of the cable talking heads recipes. On each person's page we also include one or several of their profound quotes about the case. Maybe Beth will even share with us one of Natalee's favorite recipes. Then we can also feauture the hilarious artwork of people like Klaas, Carpe and a few others if they are willing. We can have a page with all of our candles. I'm willing to offer my tribute poem to Natalee as well. We can also include recipes from us to round out the book too.

What do you all think?


SUnfreak... Anna will probably back me up on this one.  The cookbooks don't generate a lot of cash... becaus as you will see when you get yours, the first one kinda had all of that, thanks to San and DiHannah...  - and the monkeys' recipes...
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« Reply #318 on: July 21, 2006, 03:23:39 PM »

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VMS - do you have a link to Raymbert tickle site?  You are right it looks like him.  I'm just wondering if Dawin and Raymbert are one of the same.


Koen is just a little bit younger than Joran.  I E'M'd with him before he got too hot into this last year.  He had a website and I cannot remember the exact date of his birth but he's just a little bit younger, maybe by days, weeks than KILLER BABY HUEY.
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« Reply #319 on: July 21, 2006, 03:26:47 PM »

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Maybe Joran will stay at the hotel while the girl is visiting him then return to his apartment when she leaves?  I wonder if she is from The NL?  Does anybody know about that or is she Aruban or God forbid, American?

In the black and white photo of Joran dancing in the crowd is his hair really thinning in front or just the too short haircut??

And lastly, what exactly IS a mullet?  I might be wearing one and not know it.   Embarassed

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