Lively Case Discussion #598 4/9 - 4/11/2007

[sb]

Welcome adoronron to the Cage!

You may not like me too much.    Friends?

[adoronron]

Hi sb,  

That's not Gator as in Florida Gator football and basketball is it? We've had an overdose of that here in central Ohio.

[klaasend]

adoronron - to my knowledge Dan Riehl is the one who originally posted all the photos but what happened after that is anyones guess.  Only a couple of the photos are still on his site, he took some of them down.  He supposidly received 20 some odd photos from the tourist.
The photos were originally posted on July 22, 2005 at RWV but many have been altered since then.

[BTgirl]

I love Lala's and Anna to pieces, but I have to say that this photo looks to me as if it's the bare foot of a dark-skinned person.

[carpe noctem]

Have you ever posted those before?

Is this this first time you have sent them to Dave?


Hi Tib!
I cannot, cannot, cannot imagine what they are going through.  While I have always felt sad about this, after I saw those pictures last week I just have felt the saddest ever. Those ARE the most poignant pics I have seen to date.  I am so sorry Natalee

The HAND series I just did that you are referring to is new...

...about 2-3 weeks old. I post them anywhere and everywhere I
can, in hopes of getting others to see it too. I know that is not
just gonna happen overnight. So I try to just keep working
the pics & be patient... people see it when they see it... it takes
time like that...

I have seen hands all along, but never her right one, with the
the light and focus just so...

>to where I could clearly see the
bracelet.

Also, the shape of her fingers and arm look proportional
and correct as well.

I just found a way to take the old photos, and tune them up
to showcase them the best way possible.  FINGERS CROSSED
EVERYONE WILL ONE DAY SEE IT TOO ONE DAY. Justice 4 Natalee!

[sb]

Bleached

Early on,  I was told that "the other side of the pond" also could mean acrossed the ocean too.  Its a european phrase?  

I took it to mean those in the netherlands.

This is VERY likely. It it almost always used as a slang phrase for "across the Atlantic"

[carpe noctem]

re: Dave - yes, today was the first.

[sb]

Hi sb,  

That's not Gator as in Florida Gator football and basketball is it? We've had an overdose of that here in central Ohio.

I'll be nice... promise!  

We're on the SAME team when it comes to Natalee.

[adoronron]

Klaas,

Thanks for the reply.

Two of the photo's that I have I got directly from Dan's site. It's just that particular one that I am still trying to find the source of. Perhaps it's one of the many that Dan removed.
It concerns me that in a situation as serious as this, someone fed Dan and others manipulated photo's for public viewing. I'm not going to stop on this until I'm satisfied I have as much info on these as I can find.

[klaasend]

Klaas,

Thanks for the reply.

Two of the photo's that I have I got directly from Dan's site. It's just that particular one that I am still trying to find the source of. Perhaps it's one of the many that Dan removed.
It concerns me that in a situation as serious as this, someone fed Dan and others manipulated photo's for public viewing. I'm not going to stop on this until I'm satisfied I have as much info on these as I can find.

I agree, that is my concern as well.  Even the narrow photo that remains on RWV today is the same manipulated one.  So why would it be necessary to send manipulated photos to Dan in July 2005.  At that time the Aruban's and Joran supporters were doing everything they could to paint Natalee in a bad light.  I think they thought by showing a photo of her possibly dancing on the bar at CnC, we would believe she was other than a nice girl.  They were wrong.

[carpe noctem]

Carpe,

Might you know where the right hand side of this photo came from? Klaas seemed to think it was from Reihl World, but I can't find it there. Or, does anyone here know about when it first showed up in this blog?

These other two both originated at Reihl World. The tall narrow one on July 22 2005 and the other on March23 2006. I'm very interested in these becasue all three have been manipulated. The most blatant manipulations are in the March 23 2006 photo that "the tourist time stamped at 12:14:57".



Thanks,
Ado

Hi Ado,,


I seem to recall it was out early, like JULY 2005 even. I wanna say
RWV  was the first website to put it up.

I know none of that for fact, but I think it is right.

Other than that, I don't know much about it.

Sorry, I can't
be of more help.

[carpe noctem]

Who got their hands on the first MB KID CAMERA? Was Ren-hooker
involved, a lot evil seems to trail that broom hopper.


she creates it

[sb]

Riehl began as a pro-Natalee advocate and somehow, early on, he was turned to the Dark Side. We have always wondered about how that happened although the power of $$$ is well-attested to.

As part of that turn, he was given materials which support the anti-Beth position- spurious pictures, anecdotal info, etc. meant to make Natalee look bad. From somewhere.

[klaasend]

Who got their hands on the first MB KID CAMERA? Was Ren-hooker
involved, a lot evil seems to trail that broom hopper.


she creates it

According to Dan Riehl - the photos came from a tourist that happened to be at CnC that last night Natalee was there.

[sb]

If I recall, the CC's pics came into play in early July 05.

Plenty of time for the Photoshop mavens to work their misdeeds.

[Sleuth]

As far as the assumption that there might be a shark in the one of the rock site photos.........sorta makes one wonder about the statement "she wanted to go see the sharks".

Welcome Adoronron!

IMO there is no way there is a shark in the rock site photos.  That rock site is not near the ocean, nor is there an inlet in that area.  You can see the ocean from there, but it is not close enough for a shark to be there.

[klaasend]

As far as the assumption that there might be a shark in the one of the rock site photos.........sorta makes one wonder about the statement "she wanted to go see the sharks".

Welcome Adoronron!

IMO there is no way there is a shark in the rock site photos.  That rock site is not near the ocean, nor is there an inlet in that area.  You can see the ocean from there, but it is not close enough for a shark to be there.

I agree Sleuth.  What we are seeing is rocks that somehow look a little like a shark face.  No shark, just rocks.

[Sleuth]

Did anyone see the newest registered users name

Ahhahahhahahhaahhhahahaha  

[Elaine]

fraom a quote made by tamiko'smom a page or two back:   ..............One day prior to the activity at the rocks ... on June 10, 2005 ... there was a reported admission by one of the main suspects. Could it be that all this activity at the rocks was related to that admission? Could it be that Aruba was going through the motions of an investigation for the sake of public relations while knowing darn well that Natalee Holloway was no longer there? Could it be that unknown to the suspects Natalee had been moved from where she had first been placed? Could that Natalee had been moved by "somebody close to the young suspects"?
Inreference to where she says above:about Natalee being MOVED from where SHE HAD FIRST BEEN PLACED....This made me think about what Tim Miller found.....a SHALLOW GRAVE  that had someone in, that was later moved. We must remember that there was no DNA found in the grave and they said it was because they could've put the body in a BAG, a PLASTIC BAG!!....So could Natalee have first been in the shallow grave, that Tim Miller found...and then have been moved to the basin in that white bag? Then taken away, by the powers that be.

[carpe noctem]

Carpe,
What are your monitor settings?  Maybe that's the ticket?

.

Hey Anna,


1024 x 768   -  32 Bit High Quality

screen refresh = 60 Hz


Today, that's considered run of the mill, and to
some high-enders... even paltry!


I have others with higher resolutions, but the workhorse
laptop that I'm using has the specs above.