Lively Case Discussion #598 4/9 - 4/11/2007

[San]

What is Koan's brother's name?  It was his phone that Natalee used to get the phone call off.  He lost the phone.

Sander.

[San]

What is Koan's brother's name?  It was his phone that Natalee used to get the phone call off.  He lost the phone.

Tylergal! So good to see you. Did you know that your email keeps returning my emails....are you mad at me?  

Sander Gottenbos

I would return your emails also  

[Lala'sMom]

Carpe
I have been perusing your photobucket account.  It's so huge that my computer slows down to a crawl  but I did see a photo that I was wondering about.  There is a pic of a car sitting in the distance...just watching things at the lighthouse.  It's not the one where the people are in the car driving up to the scene..it's the one where the car is just sitting off in the distance. What do we know about that car?  Is it the same car at the one that possible has Cromvoit or Paulus or Deepak or one of them in?  I know you will understand my question and know just how to find it for me. TIA

[carpe noctem]

Morning everyone.  I enjoyed that post from BFN.  Thanks Mere and Klaas.  I did however begin thinking about what that poster said.  I too had my doubts about a conspiracy on Aruba.  I even doubted it when I began my Shango quest.  It seems so impossible that an entire island could have been involved.  Silently I held my tongue when some would ridicule me and others about not keeping it simple.  I even tried to go back to the KISS theory myself. It was just more than I could comprehend that more than 3 guys in the paryting mood were involved.  That is until I heard Jossy Mansur.  Now, I am back to leaning toward a massive corruption and cover up that is out of control and only a handful are trying to fight the good fight for justice.

Is Carpe around?  I have another video question.  No it's not about shoes.

Yeah, morning to you Lalas...

If I know it, I'll answer... shoot!

[Lala'sMom]

What is Koan's brother's name?  It was his phone that Natalee used to get the phone call off.  He lost the phone.

Tylergal! So good to see you. Did you know that your email keeps returning my emails....are you mad at me?  

Sander Gottenbos

I would return your emails also  

San! You wicked woman!    

[carpe noctem]

Carpe
I have been perusing your photobucket account.  It's so huge that my computer slows down to a crawl  but I did see a photo that I was wondering about.  There is a pic of a car sitting in the distance...just watching things at the lighthouse.  It's not the one where the people are in the car driving up to the scene..it's the one where the car is just sitting off in the distance. What do we know about that car?  Is it the same car at the one that possible has Cromvoit or Paulus or Deepak or one of them in?  I know you will understand my question and know just how to find it for me. TIA

The size of my PHOTOBUCKET dumps are an issue

I have about 1,000 .png graphics in each. Which slows sometimes

even the nicest of computers to a crawl.


A WAY AROUND THIS - TO DEAL WITH IT, and make things faster

is download the "FLOCK" Browser that is from Photobucket

and a free download.

link here:

http://www.flock.com/


It's just another browser that's all.

It's quick and easy to get loaded, and my Photobucket viewed
through that is MUCH MUCH FASTER, and not as frustrating.



The car or SUV is at a standstill watching the mini A.L.E. convoy
head out to the rocks.

I believe the cam people are

1. Ed Roos "Prs. of Chamber of Commerce"
2. His wife (in select videos)


Van crom voirt in my belief was (in my mind) at THE ROCKS #38

that day. I don't believe he was the camera guy, but I haven't eliminated

the possibility altogether. You cartainly could very well be right.

[carpe noctem]

[msmarple]

What is Koan's brother's name?  It was his phone that Natalee used to get the phone call off.  He lost the phone.

Morning Tyler, and good to see you.

Sander is his name, and yes he said he lost his phone.

But - for what it's worth - Beth and Dave have stated in no uncertain terms that there was no phone call. The "William" call was from a Florida area code and there was no "human vocalization" on it. That was the call that C Croes listened to. It apparently was an accidental call. The phone owner was contacted and knew nothing about it. This is one thing they were able to have analyzed and tracked down by U.S. authorities, I'm guessing maybe FBI.

No "I don't know these people" or "Are you calling home?" ...

Beth was quite insistent about it, too. I say that because if there was a chance that there was evidentiary value about the call, I imagine she would have just declined to answer the question.

But this just keeps coming up. Do you know of some other alleged phone call from that night or thereabouts?

[2NJSons_Mom]

Good morning, all.  

Was thinking about Janet's post regarding Madison's 302 mentioning the older man, who I am also convinced was PVDS.  Made me wonder how many locals were in any of the casinos, bars & tourist attractions.   I know I have been oblivious to this possibility on my vacations.  Like a potential robber casing out someone's home....how unsuspecting most of us would be.  Gives me the creeps.  If there is video tape, also wondering how many other baiting scenarioss were going on simultaneously on the island where locals would be recognized by officials on the island.

[carpe noctem]

Hey Me Monks,


I think Charlie is a paid for ATA/AHATA fraudulent hack.


I think there is a possibility of finding him in this member list.

Help me pick it apart?


http://forum.aruba.com/memberlist.php

[klaasend]

Hey Me Monks,


I think Charlie is a paid for ATA/AHATA fraudulent hack.


I think there is a possibility of finding him in this member list.

Help me pick it apart?


http://forum.aruba.com/memberlist.php

No Charlierat yet but I did find this interresting:

Rogier  
ATA representative

Isn't Rogier what Roger from Scux called himself in the beginning?  

[Lala'sMom]

MsMarple
Let me ask you this...if such a phone call existed and there was evidence of "other" voices... not Natalee's and these voices had already been identified and the family knew who they were and the time of the call...would you at the risk of exposing a critical piece of the puzzle admit on national television that all was legit and that call happened?  I don't know.  If I were in that situation I would certainly lie in order to maintain the integrity of the situation if it would in any way bring justice for my child. JMO


BTW where did that phone call story originate?  On RWV? Again?

[Tylergal]

No, not sure why the e-mails would be returned.  I have had problems with my server since AT&T merged again with the baby bells.  Hmmm, that is very strange, that more than one would be sent back.  No, you are not in my "ignore mails."  Have no idea why it is doing that.  I thought you were all mad at me and would not answer my e-mails.  So I quit mailing.

Ms. Marple, isn't it funny that it was stated on TV that a phone call occurred, but later it was denied.  What's with that.

[carpe noctem]

u may be on to something > rogier

[Lala'sMom]

Good morning, all.  

Was thinking about Janet's post regarding Madison's 302 mentioning the older man, who I am also convinced was PVDS.  Made me wonder how many locals were in any of the casinos, bars & tourist attractions.   I know I have been oblivious to this possibility on my vacations.  Like a potential robber casing out someone's home....how unsuspecting most of us would be.  Gives me the creeps.  If there is video tape, also wondering how many other baiting scenarioss were going on simultaneously on the island where locals would be recognized by officials on the island.

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:05 pm
The dice throwers know
the maze of the rave
and the fly that entered the trap
DirtyHand is the key
He walks in many circles

[2NJSons_Mom]

I noticed the Rogier, also....

There are only a handful of membrs listed who have actually posted, is another thing noticed.  Most have '0'.

[Lala'sMom]

Hey Me Monks,


I think Charlie is a paid for ATA/AHATA fraudulent hack.


I think there is a possibility of finding him in this member list.

Help me pick it apart?


http://forum.aruba.com/memberlist.php

If that is the case what does that say for the credibility of those videos?  Does that mean it's all a trick played on use unsuspecting bloggers? Just wondering out loud.

[2NJSons_Mom]

Was ATA initiated early 2006?  So far memberships seem to be March/April 06.

[2NJSons_Mom]

Correction...see some from Feb, 06....also some from a few weeks ago...

[Kimmy53]

Good Morning Monkeys...Good to see you all

Hi Tylergal, nice to see you here...Hope all is well.

Lala's - I agree with you.  I think there is corruption and cover up.  I think in the beginning, it was simple.  But IMO Paulus called in some favors, possibly misleading them, and something simple became too complicated.  If the truth was found out, alot of heads would roll.  Natalee disapeared close to the election, didn't she?  Couldn't have something like this coming out so close to elections.  I think the whole thing snow balled.  When the favors were done, it was too late to turn back and more and more had to be done to cover up.

IMO, Poppa probably called his friends, saying J is in a little trouble, nothing of his doing of course, and I could use a little help, it is nothing really....  And of course he could count on Van der Stratten to do whatever.