Lively Case Discussion #598 4/9 - 4/11/2007

[carpe noctem]

"The more one digs, the more things start to stink." -Jossy

[klaasend]

[2NJSons_Mom]

While searching around I found a pdf of AM Digital from 6/4/05...interesting to read again...:

http://www.voiceofalabama.com/amAruba.pdf

I started out looking for Smith/Roos stuff and then found Rob Smith, Wyndom Mgr & chairman of Aruba Hospitality & Security Foundation....I came across an article from 2003 with members listed...including Dompig, but lost as I went on reading others.  It's probably old news, anyway.

[2NJSons_Mom]

Duke Charges Dropped

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18046103/?GT1=9246

[adoronron]

I have a quick question.

Back when this came out and it was discussed here, what was the general assumption on the reason JVS claimed they went directly to his house after being at C&C's?

That he had to make sure there was an explanation for any evidence found at the VDS place?


At this confrontation the suspect Satish S. Kalpoe explained that he recognized the suspect Joran A.P. Van Der Sloot as a person. The suspected Satish S. Kalpoe explained during the confrontation that the suspect Joran Van Der Sloot lied because on 30 May 2005, after they left Carlos & Charlies with Natalee, they did not go to the house of the suspect Joran Van Der Sloot. The suspect Satish Kalpoe requested the suspect Joran Van Der Sloot tell the truth.
The suspect Joran Van Der Sloot said during the confrontation that they had firstly driven to his house and said the suspect Satish Kalpoe is the one that is not telling the truth.

[msmarple]

ado - My guess would be that JVDS anticipated that someone might have seen the car and needed an explanation for that. Satish had not anticipated this need.

However, that only explains a brief stop at the house - I think Joran said they didn't go in? Supposedly Natalee wanted to see his house?

What was the date of the statement(s) you're quoting?

[klaasend]

I have a quick question.

Back when this came out and it was discussed here, what was the general assumption on the reason JVS claimed they went directly to his house after being at C&C's?

That he had to make sure there was an explanation for any evidence found at the VDS place?


At this confrontation the suspect Satish S. Kalpoe explained that he recognized the suspect Joran A.P. Van Der Sloot as a person. The suspected Satish S. Kalpoe explained during the confrontation that the suspect Joran Van Der Sloot lied because on 30 May 2005, after they left Carlos & Charlies with Natalee, they did not go to the house of the suspect Joran Van Der Sloot. The suspect Satish Kalpoe requested the suspect Joran Van Der Sloot tell the truth.
The suspect Joran Van Der Sloot said during the confrontation that they had firstly driven to his house and said the suspect Satish Kalpoe is the one that is not telling the truth.

Just got back from the store.  Good question, I don't have the answer.

[igsigs]

At this confrontation the suspect Satish S. Kalpoe explained that he recognized the suspect Joran A.P. Van Der Sloot as a person. The suspected Satish S. Kalpoe explained during the confrontation that the suspect Joran Van Der Sloot lied because on 30 May 2005, after they left Carlos & Charlies with Natalee, they did not go to the house of the suspect Joran Van Der Sloot. The suspect Satish Kalpoe requested the suspect Joran Van Der Sloot tell the truth.
The suspect Joran Van Der Sloot said during the confrontation that they had firstly driven to his house and said the suspect Satish Kalpoe is the one that is not telling the truth.

Hi adoronron! Is this quote from a PV?

[klaasend]

At this confrontation the suspect Satish S. Kalpoe explained that he recognized the suspect Joran A.P. Van Der Sloot as a person. The suspected Satish S. Kalpoe explained during the confrontation that the suspect Joran Van Der Sloot lied because on 30 May 2005, after they left Carlos & Charlies with Natalee, they did not go to the house of the suspect Joran Van Der Sloot. The suspect Satish Kalpoe requested the suspect Joran Van Der Sloot tell the truth.
The suspect Joran Van Der Sloot said during the confrontation that they had firstly driven to his house and said the suspect Satish Kalpoe is the one that is not telling the truth.

Hi adoronron! Is this quote from a PV?

Yes, it's from the Joran/Satish face to face.  Here's the link:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=250

[adoronron]

It's from a police interview. I think it's in the Important case douments area. I'll go find it again.

[NM]

I have a quick question.

Back when this came out and it was discussed here, what was the general assumption on the reason JVS claimed they went directly to his house after being at C&C's?

That he had to make sure there was an explanation for any evidence found at the VDS place?


At this confrontation the suspect Satish S. Kalpoe explained that he recognized the suspect Joran A.P. Van Der Sloot as a person. The suspected Satish S. Kalpoe explained during the confrontation that the suspect Joran Van Der Sloot lied because on 30 May 2005, after they left Carlos & Charlies with Natalee, they did not go to the house of the suspect Joran Van Der Sloot. The suspect Satish Kalpoe requested the suspect Joran Van Der Sloot tell the truth.
The suspect Joran Van Der Sloot said during the confrontation that they had firstly driven to his house and said the suspect Satish Kalpoe is the one that is not telling the truth.

Hi Ado and welcome,

IIRC, we learned from k2 lawyers on MSM that jurin changed his story,In efforts to pin crimes on k2 only, to jk2 drove Nat to his house. He got out, exchanged email addresses w/ Nat and k2 drove off w/ her.

Hi all Monkeys and welcome Tiger.

[adoronron]

ado - My guess would be that JVDS anticipated that someone might have seen the car and needed an explanation for that. Satish had not anticipated this need.

However, that only explains a brief stop at the house - I think Joran said they didn't go in? Supposedly Natalee wanted to see his house?

What was the date of the statement(s) you're quoting?

Msmarple,

Is there another statement somewhere where Joran says they did not go in?

[igsigs]

Yes, it's from the Joran/Satish face to face.  Here's the link:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=250

Thanks Klaas. I thought for a minute that this quote might be from the *ride home* face-to-face i was looking for.

[NM]

regarding the post from bfn(I know, I been catching up all day)

I believe that there was a concerted, well planned effort to cover up the crimes against Natalee.
I would never put well-intended nor friend together with helping a drugging, kidnaping, raping, murderer.

The families of Max Devries, Bud Larson, and Natalee Holloway were all put through the same, well-oiled machine.

ALE/Prosecution Check list:
0.) contact the spin-machine, the clean-up crew (a.k.a. local search teams and investigators)
1.) act like you are concerned.
2.) give the family the run-around.
3.) tell family you will handle it and they should go home.

Repeat steps 1 to 3.

If family still insists on finding their loved one;
4.) harass the family unmercifully.
5.) defame the victim and the family.
6.) start rumors of insurance scam, the missing ran away for a better life, they ran off with a new lover…..

[klaasend]

Hi NM!

I agree with everything you just said!

[Dayhiker]

Arlene Ellis-Schipper
NANCY GRACE
December 1, 2005

SCHIPPER: Well, the task force is a combination of concerned people of Aruba, as well as the government. And what we are doing is actually constantly monitoring this case and finding and promoting the truth and stimulating everything, from both support to the family...
DIMOND: But it`s not just -- you don`t speak for the police and the prosecution.
SCHIPPER: No.
DIMOND: You also speak for the merchants and the hotel operators on the island?
SCHIPPER: I do.
DIMOND: Don`t you think that`s a little bit in conflict there?
SCHIPPER: No.

Janet, that last line by Arlene Ellis-Schipper pretty much sums up the whole attitude on Aruba. They have no conflicts of interest because they only have one interest- American tourism dollars.

In their eyes it's perfectly okay for the lead investigator to be a close friend of the main suspect's father, who is also implicated in the crime.

In their eyes it is perfectly okay for the police chief to get fabricated testimony (see security guards, drug use) from his crackhead cousin.

In their eyes it is perfectly okay for their judges to ignore evidence in favor of one of their persdonal friends in the judicial system.

In their eyes it is perfectly okay for their government spokespeople to be paid with hotel and tourism dollars.

In their eyes it is perfectly okay for their government spokesperson to be related to a suspect in the case (see Guido).

They have never had an interest in what happened to Natalee Holloway, only in preserving their precious tourism dollars and making sure their criminals are not arrested so their illegal dealings and corruption can continue to remain intact.

[NM]

From jurin's 6/14 pv
You have just old me that you wanted to ask me about times. I can state the following.

When we, on May 30th, stopped in Deepak's car in front of my house, it was about 01.40 am. At that moment in time Deepak, Satish, Natalee and myself were in Deepak's car.

When Natalee and myself were dropped off at the Marriot Hotel by Satish and Deepak it was approximately 01.50 am

6/9 PV
We got into the car and before Deepak drove off I told Deepak and Satish that Natalee wanted to go to my house but that I could not take her there because my father and brothers were home. After I told Deepak and Satish this they said it was OK. Then I told the girl that I could not take her to my house but that I could come to her hotel room. She answered me that she did not want to go to her hotel room and that she wanted to go to the North coast to watch the sharks.

To your question as to what Natalee meant by wanting to go to my house, I answer you the following. With this Natalee according to me meant that she wanted to have fleshly intercourse with me. I could see from her body language that she wanted to have fleshly intercourse me. I do not know if Natalee had used narcotics.

[NM]

Hey Klaas! Thanks!

Maybe the oldest profession isn't prostitution, the oldest profession is cover-up and that is why there is a (cover-up)saying that the oldest profession is prostitution!

[Tamikosmom]

ado - My guess would be that JVDS anticipated that someone might have seen the car and needed an explanation for that. Satish had not anticipated this need.

However, that only explains a brief stop at the house - I think Joran said they didn't go in? Supposedly Natalee wanted to see his house?

What was the date of the statement(s) you're quoting?

Msmarple,

Is there another statement somewhere where Joran says they did not go in?

This is not one of the revealed witness/suspect statements but ... nevertheless the following transcript contains the words of Joran in regards to Natalee's desire to see his house and ... then her sudden change of mind.

Janet


Joran Van der Sloot
On the Record w/ Greta
March 1, 2006

VAN DER SLOOT: ... We were speaking English to each other and I asked her if she wanted to go back to her hotel and that's when she said that she wanted to — she asked me if I -- if I had a big house or not and then — then she said — I said to her "Do you want to see my house?" And she's like "Yes, I want to go to your house."

VAN SUSTEREN: Did you ever actually make it to your house?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, we did. We actually did stop in front of my house. We got to my house and then, yes then I — then she said she wanted to go see sharks.

VAN SUSTEREN: Why sharks?

VAN DER SLOOT: I have no idea why she wanted to go see sharks and so I was laughing and telling her there's no sharks.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did you actually go into your house with her?

VAN DER SLOOT: No, no, no. We never even got out of the car there.

VAN SUSTEREN: She had no interest in going into your house? She didn't say anything?

VAN DER SLOOT: No, at that point she wanted — she wanted to go see sharks ...

[igsigs]

Tamikosmom

Would you happen to have any links to any MSM quotes by Jones/John/Lejuez about the alibi story being made up around *the pool*?

I have seen the TOP95/Hasibokos report...wondering if there was anything else. TIA!