Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 17- 6/13/2011

[monkalicious]

well that just sucked!!!

Yeah, it wasn't good, I think it made the state look a little sneaky.  Judge P seemed a little cranky about the FBI, didn't he?

[tupelohoney]

If Baez is an idiot, the power point might come in. LMAO 

IF???   

[Cappuccino]

InSession said this is a big win for the defense...don't think so...Jeff didn't seem too upset by it all..

It is not - Im sick of these drama queens, the fact that most of them are attorneys makes their theatrics even more pathetic.   The witness can still testify to the study, just without visual aid.  If the defense does its regular stupidity they will open the door for the power presentation to come in on Redirect.

[theboyzmom]

I am sure that Baez will open that door and the judge will be lenient with the door opening. Any mention of the photos will get them in I do believe.

[akmom]

I have to say that I don't feel that the State needed the powerpoint anyway.  I think this issue is a waste of time.  I think it is confusing.  It has already been addressed that there are no ways to produce a death-band, that are known.  To me it is now better to leave it alone.

[Sister]

I have the utmost confidence that the defense will open the door for the power point to be used. 

ITA - you can't use it for a shield and then use it as a sword . . .

[ZooMomology]

Maybe if Bozo and Mumbles wouldn't have been doing interviews on television then maybe he might be prepared.  If Simms has viewed them how come Bozo didn't take the opportunity to view them also?

Well bozo won one by lying that he had no knowledge of this. It really irritates me how he is manipulating this court.

I agree.  I would love for there to be proof somewhere they had this. 

[monkalicious]

Maybe if Bozo and Mumbles wouldn't have been doing interviews on television then maybe he might be prepared.  If Simms has viewed them how come Bozo didn't take the opportunity to view them also?

Well bozo won one by lying that he had no knowledge of this. It really irritates me how he is manipulating this court.

He got this one, but I think his lies were exposed.  I love that the Judge keeps schooling him on the correct objection (6th amendment vs. 403)  I don't think the state will be hurt by this.

[anothermonkey]

Darn, I wish CJBP hadn't said that if the defense opened the door, the photos could be used.  We know Baez would have gone there.  Darn!!

   Yeah but Baez is such an idiot that you never know what he might say to accidentally create an "in" for the state.  He just does not have his $h*t together. 

[TURBOTHINK]

You know, I think the State planned for it to go this way  

I almost said the same thing. It seemed as if the state didn't really care. I think they have SO MUCH they know it is not that important.

[monkalicious]

I have the utmost confidence that the defense will open the door for the power point to be used. 

ITA - you can't use it for a shield and then use it as a sword . . .

Love that phrase, Sister!

[Cappuccino]

well that just sucked!!!

Yeah, it wasn't good, I think it made the state look a little sneaky.  Judge P seemed a little cranky about the FBI, didn't he?

The FBI withheld the power point, so yeah Id say so.   Bill Schaeffer thinks its certainly not fatal.   CJBP denying the power point is exactly why he has never been revered on his previous 8 DP cases.

[New Monkey]

I have to say that I don't feel that the State needed the powerpoint anyway.  I think this issue is a waste of time.  I think it is confusing.  It has already been addressed that there are no ways to produce a death-band, that are known.  To me it is now better to leave it alone.

I just came in from exercising so don't understand what just happened, but ITA with you.

[Sister]

You know, I think the State planned for it to go this way 

This wouldn't surprise me at all - bozo will mention it, I'm sure . . . then in it comes!

[TURBOTHINK]

The results of the study was already in - I guess just the visual is out.

[Magic Eyes]

9:00am Monday June 13, 2011 Court is in session.

First state witness is Stephen Shaw.

Jeff Ashton is up.............

Stephen Shaw is Hair and Fiber Examiner for the FBI.  He has been employed as this for 6 years.  He has 2 degrees in hair and textile.  He has had additional training as a hair and fiber examiner for one year at the FBI including ID tests, matching tests, oral boards and final tests.  He has previously testified as an expert in court 12 times, Florida, NY, CA, other  states.  The judge makes him an Hair and Fiber Identification expert.

In Dec 2008, he became involved with a hair in the case of Caylee Anthony.  It was the part of the quality assurance procedure.  They have another examiner perform the same tests to make sure the first one was correct.  It confirmed the apparent decomp and microscopic similar from the sample hair to the hair brush.  He was given a hair mass to examine it was submitted by OC Sheriff's office.  He examined the hair mass, hairs microscopically and compared it to the hair from the trunk of the vehicle.  He found decomp on a hair in the hair mass, it was at a later stage of decomp.  It had the band and the root but it had a brushed like appearance related to later decomp.  All of the hairs were microscopically similar.  This hair and the hair mass were consistent to each other and the hair found in the trunk.  He has done research in the FBI for decomp found in hair.  The preliminary results are from 600 hairs from living persons, stored in different locations, indoors in water, out doors in sunlight cars and car trunks in different climates and in different locations.....time periods varied....he then examined the root ends of the hairs, none had root banding.  Known deceased hairs he tested confirmed post-banded hairs. Examiners did make mistakes on two of the hairs, they eventually compared these hairs and confirmed they were not death banded. Side bar.........Side bar is over.  Baez wants a proffer over the power point demonstration.  Baez says he had no knowledge, lol.  Of the power point demo.  Baez wants things to be done in a just way.........Oh brother, lol.  Ashton says that everything in the power point has been provided to the defense.  Baez is still going on and on and says he only got the photos and they are black and white photos, color is different.  If it is going in living color, there is a difference.  Now he is worried about living,,,,,,,geesh.  The only one he is worried about living is his beloved Casey.  Yuck.....

Looking at photos on the monitor, they are hairs used in the study he performed.  Hairs from living people before and after they were studied. Baez wants to know if the dark area in the living samples, show decomp and he says no.  It is not apparent decomp.  It is something natural in someones hair.  Next photo is hair stored in the trunk of the vehicle they are from a living person, more photos from living people, none had the band.  The darkening in the root area is not a band.  When you refer to the banding what do you mean?  Band has to be above the root bulb and it has to be opaque of a certain thickness, in a known dead person's hair.  The decomp in living hair is not the same. The testimony can be confusing antemortem means from a living person and postmortem means from a dead person. Prior to this case was this banding known?  Yes.  Showing more slides of hair in the tests. These are postmortem hairs.  Baez is just going on and on asking about the test done on Hair-Banding by the FBI.  Jurors are not in the court during this proffering.  Baez asks if the climate is the number one factor in decomp?  Yes, in the rate of decomp.  He said hairs in warmer climates will produce bands faster, lol. Baez is done, done, done and I bet he wished he never asked that question, lol. Are there are differences in hair from adults and children?  No, we don't can't tell if a hair came from a child or a an adult.  A hair from a young child can be thinner.  There were two children in the test, there were no difference in the findings.  Were any of these hairs exposed to trash or garbage?  No, not that I am aware of.  Mr Baez is done, he says they may be cumulative and the power point says it is improper bolstering and improper climates.  He says we are talking apples and oranges.  Also 403, an unfair prejudice, we were given this at the last possible second and we can't do a similar study.  Judge says it is not a 403, it is a 6th amendment right.  Baez says it is both.  The power point is just not fair.  Judge is asking when this study was done?  March, 2011.  They told the state and the defense then that it was done.  The judge wants to know when and what was told to the state and the defense of this study.  Ms Lowe told the state and the defense of this study in Mar 2011.  It was provided to the state in color photos and the fact the study had been done in May.  They were emailed in color.  Jeff Ashton says the state and defense were told by a teleconference that the study was done.  Arrangements were made over numerous photos.  The photos were requested and sent to the local FBI in color.  They have been provided in color many times.  The state has them in color, Jeff did not know that the defense printed them out in black and white.  The state emailed them in color.  He is not responsible for the defense printing them out in color.  Ms Simms says some were sent last week.  Jeff says they were not aware they had black and white photos that were not acceptable.  Ms Simms is complaining about when she got the photos and the day she got them.  She has not been able to cross examine in deposition all of this experiment.  She requested but she was not given color copies or make her own.  The FBI says it could not release it because it was currently research material.  Jeff Ashton is addressing the improper bolstering argument.  This does not come under improper bolstering.  Baez has a concern of finding himself in the middle of trial and he can't do a thing about this power-point.  He has done every single thing they can and the FBI has been wonderful, however it is still unfair.......just unfair.  He has never done anything about this unfortunately but Ms Simms has.  This test began after the depo was taken after Mr Shaw was deposed.  Ashton says that the FBI offered to have this examined in person and the defense did not do it.  This study was contemplated before this case.  This case spurred him on but it had already been contemplated.  Judge now says what Casey is charged with......the state has indicated that they seek the Death Penalty.  Rule 3.220 says the state must provide certain things to the defendant, it is not the FBI's responsibility to provide it, it is the state.  He goes on to say that he finds it troubling that the state in the 9th hour provides a power-point in color that was not provided to the defense.  The power-point is denied.  However, the the expert has testified and it will stay as is.  It is the state of Florida not the FBI responsibility for this power-point, it will not be shown to the jury.  The FBI expert can testify about it but the photo's from the power point can not be used.  The defense could open the door to the power point if it asks anything about the photos.  Recess for five minutes. 10:15

   

[Tamikosmom]

I have to say that I don't feel that the State needed the powerpoint anyway.  I think this issue is a waste of time.  I think it is confusing.  It has already been addressed that there are no ways to produce a death-band, that are known.  To me it is now better to leave it alone.

I agree.

Janet

[seemeatthebeach]

FBI Shaw testimony of hair study in, but power point not allowed. (unless the duhfense opens the door with questions about photos included in power point)

any bets on Blowhole opening that door??? 

[monkalicious]

well that just sucked!!!

Yeah, it wasn't good, I think it made the state look a little sneaky.  Judge P seemed a little cranky about the FBI, didn't he?

The FBI withheld the power point, so yeah Id say so.   Bill Schaeffer thinks its certainly not fatal.   CJBP denying the power point is exactly why he has never been revered on his previous 8 DP cases.

As much as I want to see the defense discredited and humiliated on every front, I love the fairness of Judge Perry.  He's a peach, umm, I mean a professional! ::justice2NJ::

[karenmamo]

I was beyond surprised to learn here yesterday that Casey has not been medicated throughout this process. Having watched her carefully these last SO many days, I was convinced that frozen look had to be the result of daily medication.  Am still trying to rearrange my brain cells (wrap my head around) to process how she can sit like that. I am doubting I will ever understand that stone cold face of hers.