Lively Case Discussion #599 4/11 - 4/13/2007

[crazybabyborg]

This is the torso of a man, right?

[klaasend]

That photo of Sleuths and the one (which is identical to Sleuths) that was in the National Enquirer is the only picture that I really believe I see Natalee.  

Sorry I've been so quiet tonight.  Working on "work"  

[Sleuth]

Sleuth.. its been so long. but in your opnion.. do you see a face too?
 
 Back then some did and others didn't.  I do recall those convesations..

I didn't see anything in the video, nor with any of the screen captures or the dozen or so filters that I applied - only with that one filter.  It is very creepy, but I do see a face in that 'negative' filter capture.  

Frankly, I am never a believer in images and never see anything like the faces/sharks in the rocks, etc.    But this is the one exception, and if I had not captured it from the video myself I would have thought it was altered.  So if anyone doesn't believe that capture, just try it for yourself.  You do need to have some decent video capture software that can get a good grade photo but other than that just choose the negative filter and rotate the image (or don't rotate and just stand on your head to look at it   )

[Patti]

That photo of Sleuths and the one (which is identical to Sleuths) that was in the National Enquirer is the only picture that I really believe I see Natalee.  

Sorry I've been so quiet tonight.  Working on "work"  

Hey, Klaas.... I've been trying to leave you to your work, but since you
stopped in I want to say hello.

[crazybabyborg]

That photo of Sleuths and the one (which is identical to Sleuths) that was in the National Enquirer is the only picture that I really believe I see Natalee.  

Sorry I've been so quiet tonight.  Working on "work"  

Klaas..I ususally keep quiet when these pics are posted, because I often don't follow it and know from experience that if I just wait and read, it will become clear. I'm lost on this one. Do you think Sleuth's picture is Natalee?

[Sleuth]

That photo of Sleuths and the one (which is identical to Sleuths) that was in the National Enquirer is the only picture that I really believe I see Natalee.  

Sorry I've been so quiet tonight.  Working on "work"  

The same image showed up at BFN, but the posted later let me know they had grabbed it from SM.  I think it spread elsewhere from there.

[Angiex911dsptchr]

That photo of Sleuths and the one (which is identical to Sleuths) that was in the National Enquirer is the only picture that I really believe I see Natalee.  

Sorry I've been so quiet tonight.  Working on "work"  

 I was gonna ask if it was Sleuth photo that was in the NE. They do look identical.  Id like to see Carpe post his one pic.. next to Sleuths to see how they compare?  CARPE can yah do that?  

 Klaas.. we are behaving..  honest..lol

[Sleuth]

By the way - I did not send it to the National Enquirer.  The only place I sent it was to the family, and posted it only at SM.

[crazybabyborg]

I'm sorry to be a pest, but someone please help me put this in context?
This bag was in the Chicago videos, right? The one seen in that concrete container thing, right?
Do you all think it's Natalee? It's definately a torso.

[Angiex911dsptchr]

Sleuth.. its been so long. but in your opnion.. do you see a face too?
 
 Back then some did and others didn't.  I do recall those convesations..

I didn't see anything in the video, nor with any of the screen captures or the dozen or so filters that I applied - only with that one filter.  It is very creepy, but I do see a face in that 'negative' filter capture.  

Frankly, I am never a believer in images and never see anything like the faces/sharks in the rocks, etc.    But this is the one exception, and if I had not captured it from the video myself I would have thought it was altered.  So if anyone doesn't believe that capture, just try it for yourself.  You do need to have some decent video capture software that can get a good grade photo but other than that just choose the negative filter and rotate the image (or don't rotate and just stand on your head to look at it   )

  TY sweety.. so I know I am not crazy, cause I see the same as well. And did the day you posted it. I know others had changed their minds after sometime about it too. I dont know how to capture images.. hell I stil /cant quote correctly after al this time..
 I really do appreciate you posting these again!!  Hugs!

[klaasend]

That photo of Sleuths and the one (which is identical to Sleuths) that was in the National Enquirer is the only picture that I really believe I see Natalee.  

Sorry I've been so quiet tonight.  Working on "work"  

The same image showed up at BFN, but the posted later let me know they had grabbed it from SM.  I think it spread elsewhere from there.

Yep, I'm sure it did Sleuth.

[Patti]

I see alot of things in that picture.  I definately see a face, and I see breasts.  There is no way that this is a man.  But I also see what looks
like a gunshot wound to the left chest area.  I think I can even see the
bullet hole.

I get confused, because it seems like I see things that others don't.

What do you see, Klaas?

[Angiex911dsptchr]

By the way - I did not send it to the National Enquirer.  The only place I sent it was to the family, and posted it only at SM.

I think the majority of us knows who sent it to the NE..  I don't think thats a secret anymore.
  I am glad YOU sent them to the family then.   I hope Widget sees these.
I may have to send him an email and the thread to look.

[Sleuth]

SLEUTH:

Could you do the same thing to the picture of the body that I found in the
California Lighthouse video collection?

Hi Patti,

Sorry, I can't right now as I do not have my laptop that has all the video capture software...but if I ever get it up and going I will do so...

About the gunshot, I do not see a gunshot would to the head area, but below that...

[Angiex911dsptchr]

I'm sorry to be a pest, but someone please help me put this in context?
This bag was in the Chicago videos, right? The one seen in that concrete container thing, right?
Do you all think it's Natalee? It's definately a torso.

  CBB yes it was in the basin, from the videos.  
 There is DEF a person in that bag.  

[Sleuth]

About the gunshot, I do not see a gunshot wound to the head area, but below that...

Sorry - doing too many things at once here and did not finish my sentence.  I do not see a gunshot wound to the head, but there appears to be a hole (or else just something blocking the image) below that in the upper chest area.

[Patti]

About the gunshot, I do not see a gunshot wound to the head area, but below that...

Sorry - doing too many things at once here and did not finish my sentence.  I do not see a gunshot wound to the head, but there appears to be a hole (or else just something blocking the image) below that in the upper chest area.

Thank GOD you see the same thing I do.

I am telling you the truth, I have no reason to lie.  The body at the
rocks has the same wound.

Thank you... so much.

[Angiex911dsptchr]

About the gunshot, I do not see a gunshot wound to the head area, but below that...

Sorry - doing too many things at once here and did not finish my sentence.  I do not see a gunshot wound to the head, but there appears to be a hole (or else just something blocking the image) below that in the upper chest area.

I see that.. but see in some of Carpes photos he had. what looked like a gunshot as well in the skull cap?    Maybe he will post some comparisons  of what he has and what you have Sleuth. Be quite intesting to see after all of this time     I am not talking about the photo he has at the rock area,  I think if he reads this thread. he will know which one I mean.

[crazybabyborg]

About the gunshot, I do not see a gunshot wound to the head area, but below that...

Sorry - doing too many things at once here and did not finish my sentence.  I do not see a gunshot wound to the head, but there appears to be a hole (or else just something blocking the image) below that in the upper chest area.

Sleuth? Anybody? Would hair be visable in the photo, if it were there? Maybe it doesn't show, but this person seems to have a man's short hair, to me, and good sized biceps. I suppose it could be the effect of the filter, but it's almost like you can see a "5 oclock shadow" beard around the mouth area.

[Sleuth]

CBB - I really don't see much of anything below that hole in what would be the upper chest area.  It is the face portion that stands out to me.