Lively Case Discussion #600 4/13 - 4/15/2007

[San]

I read a anothet poster write that Guido made a sign,at the casino,to signal someone.I think the pimps watched,found the vulnerable women and seperated one

I hate Guido and I think someone should chop Guido's head off.

I believe in an eye for an eye.  I'm tired of waiting for these people to do something they are not going to do.

[Buckeye]

O/T

Did anyone else read through the Tara Grant, murdering husband interview, that Klaas posted yesterday??

It made me think of Dutchlady when he kept talking about driving to the apts he was familiar with, when he was considering getting rid of the evidence.  It was just weird reading his thoughts.  I guess I always thought you would just dispose of "murder items" as fast as possible, just anywhere.  Made me think of Dutchlady telling us to revisit the familar areas of Joran/pimps lives.

[klaasend]

O/T

Did anyone else read through the Tara Grant, murdering husband interview, that Klaas posted yesterday??

It made me think of Dutchlady when he kept talking about driving to the apts he was familiar with, when he was considering getting rid of the evidence.  It was just weird reading his thoughts.  I guess I always thought you would just dispose of "murder items" as fast as possible, just anywhere.  Made me think of Dutchlady telling us to revisit the familar areas of Joran/pimps lives.

Goodmorning all!  Working and lurking again.

Yes, I found it wierd that Grant disposed of items in areas he was familiar with.  He went to dumpsters where he used to live or family members lived.  In his interview he seemed to almost joke about some of what he was doing, like buying the coffee filters and plastic gloves. Sick.

[Buckeye]

O/T

Did anyone else read through the Tara Grant, murdering husband interview, that Klaas posted yesterday??

It made me think of Dutchlady when he kept talking about driving to the apts he was familiar with, when he was considering getting rid of the evidence.  It was just weird reading his thoughts.  I guess I always thought you would just dispose of "murder items" as fast as possible, just anywhere.  Made me think of Dutchlady telling us to revisit the familar areas of Joran/pimps lives.

Goodmorning all!  Working and lurking again.

Yes, I found it wierd that Grant disposed of items in areas he was familiar with.  He went to dumpsters where he used to live or family members lived.  In his interview he seemed to almost joke about some of what he was doing, like buying the coffee filters and plastic gloves. Sick.

There have been times, in this case, that I felt my imagination was believing too much...keep things simple....then I read a story, from the mouth of a confessed murderer....and his "panic"....and detailed coverup...and then I think....why keep it simple?? All things are possible....who knows the plans/thinking of a murderer....doesn't seem they think as reasonable as I.

[klaasend]

O/T

Did anyone else read through the Tara Grant, murdering husband interview, that Klaas posted yesterday??

It made me think of Dutchlady when he kept talking about driving to the apts he was familiar with, when he was considering getting rid of the evidence.  It was just weird reading his thoughts.  I guess I always thought you would just dispose of "murder items" as fast as possible, just anywhere.  Made me think of Dutchlady telling us to revisit the familar areas of Joran/pimps lives.

Goodmorning all!  Working and lurking again.

Yes, I found it wierd that Grant disposed of items in areas he was familiar with.  He went to dumpsters where he used to live or family members lived.  In his interview he seemed to almost joke about some of what he was doing, like buying the coffee filters and plastic gloves. Sick.

There have been times, in this case, that I felt my imagination was believing too much...keep things simple....then I read a story, from the mouth of a confessed murderer....and his "panic"....and detailed coverup...and then I think....why keep it simple?? All things are possible....who knows the plans/thinking of a murderer....doesn't seem they think as reasonable as I.

Not to mention the "moving around" of the body this guy did.  Really makes you think about NH and moving her around as well.

[San]

O/T

Did anyone else read through the Tara Grant, murdering husband interview, that Klaas posted yesterday??

It made me think of Dutchlady when he kept talking about driving to the apts he was familiar with, when he was considering getting rid of the evidence.  It was just weird reading his thoughts.  I guess I always thought you would just dispose of "murder items" as fast as possible, just anywhere.  Made me think of Dutchlady telling us to revisit the familar areas of Joran/pimps lives.

Goodmorning all!  Working and lurking again.

Yes, I found it wierd that Grant disposed of items in areas he was familiar with.  He went to dumpsters where he used to live or family members lived.  In his interview he seemed to almost joke about some of what he was doing, like buying the coffee filters and plastic gloves. Sick.

There have been times, in this case, that I felt my imagination was believing too much...keep things simple....then I read a story, from the mouth of a confessed murderer....and his "panic"....and detailed coverup...and then I think....why keep it simple?? All things are possible....who knows the plans/thinking of a murderer....doesn't seem they think as reasonable as I.

Makes me wonder if the Sloots had another house in Aruba.  I'm not talking about Lorenzo's home.

Does anyone know where Jaime C. lives in Aruba.  I always think about why the police asked him if Joran game him something to hold.

[San]

O/T

Did anyone else read through the Tara Grant, murdering husband interview, that Klaas posted yesterday??

It made me think of Dutchlady when he kept talking about driving to the apts he was familiar with, when he was considering getting rid of the evidence.  It was just weird reading his thoughts.  I guess I always thought you would just dispose of "murder items" as fast as possible, just anywhere.  Made me think of Dutchlady telling us to revisit the familar areas of Joran/pimps lives.

Goodmorning all!  Working and lurking again.

Yes, I found it wierd that Grant disposed of items in areas he was familiar with.  He went to dumpsters where he used to live or family members lived.  In his interview he seemed to almost joke about some of what he was doing, like buying the coffee filters and plastic gloves. Sick.

There have been times, in this case, that I felt my imagination was believing too much...keep things simple....then I read a story, from the mouth of a confessed murderer....and his "panic"....and detailed coverup...and then I think....why keep it simple?? All things are possible....who knows the plans/thinking of a murderer....doesn't seem they think as reasonable as I.

Not to mention the "moving around" of the body this guy did.  Really makes you think about NH and moving her around as well.

Notice how he said he used a belt to move her body.  Made me think of the belt they found.

[klaasend]

[San]

He lived close to the Sloots.  I have not doubt in my mind that Jaime and Freddy were present that night.  What did Jaime take home with him that night to make the police ask him that question.  I would love to see Freddy's statement.

I think that they sent the Kalpoes home and called other friends to help.  Jaime and Freddy fit the bill as far as being violent and they are both rapists.  Plus they both lived close to Joran.

[msmarple]

Good Morning/Afternoon Monkeys.

I also read Grant's confession. I am reluctant to post what it suggested to me re. what might have happened to Natalee's body.

But here's a hint. Grant's actions were ONE person's attempt to dispose of a body and evidence.

If several people were involved ... each with an "assignment" ... and maybe some had to re-visit and "re-do" that assignment ...

 

[Buckeye]

Not sure about Jaime, except, he is "a friend for life".

But, seems they not only spoke to Freddy, but also Freddy's relatives...did Freddy have to leave fast or wasn't he present at the family gathering...or were the little pimps marketing their films with the guidance and connections of Earnesto??

[Kat_Gram]

The Dutch Team, IMO right now is there to investigate the investigation.
Sort of like an Internal Affairs review. I am just going by what happens here when things go very wrong and bad with a case. There is usually a report with some insight into what went wrong and how this could be improved looking forward... from a department and organization standpoint. Usually there are " retirements " within a few months that have nothing ot do with the finding of the investigation.  
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Because there are ten of them, I am hoping that there will be some investigation into finding Natalee. They had that big ?// how many kilos of papers that they took back and perhaps there was somethign in there that is worthwhile to follow up on.
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As far as MF or anyone else, they are just speaking their opinion which is very colored in by their hopes. MF or anyone over at those other places does not have any insider information.

[Buckeye]

And what makes someone a "friend for life"?....not a best friend...but, a friend for life...perhaps a deep shared secret??

[msmarple]

Kat_Gram - Yes, I hold out hope that there might be some obstruction and even negligence arrests in connection with the conduct of the investigation.

But I don't think anything exists at the moment to revive the Holloway case. Even if everyone agrees that the suspects lied at every turn, that's not enough for a conviction. (It wouldn't be here, either.)

[Buckeye]

The Dutch Team, IMO right now is there to investigate the investigation.
Sort of like an Internal Affairs review. I am just going by what happens here when things go very wrong and bad with a case. There is usually a report with some insight into what went wrong and how this could be improved looking forward... from a department and organization standpoint. Usually there are " retirements " within a few months that have nothing ot do with the finding of the investigation.  
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Because there are ten of them, I am hoping that there will be some investigation into finding Natalee. They had that big ?// how many kilos of papers that they took back and perhaps there was somethign in there that is worthwhile to follow up on.
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As far as MF or anyone else, they are just speaking their opinion which is very colored in by their hopes. MF or anyone over at those other places does not have any insider information.

This makes sense to me.  It probably is an investigation of the investigation.  The family had made a formal request (the letter) and Angelo came to the island.  Some "irregularities" were turned up and this is the formal report. IMO  
I just hope, the new prosecutor, that ripped into Paulus, was hinting at more to come...

[San]

Not sure about Jaime, except, he is "a friend for life".

But, seems they not only spoke to Freddy, but also Freddy's relatives...did Freddy have to leave fast or wasn't he present at the family gathering...or were the little pimps marketing their films with the guidance and connections of Earnesto??

I think you hit the nail right on the head Buckeye.

[San]

And what makes someone a "friend for life"?....not a best friend...but, a friend for life...perhaps a deep shared secret??

A "friend for life" will do anything for a friend and I mean anything.

[mishy]

Good Morning/Afternoon Monkeys.

I also read Grant's confession. I am reluctant to post what it suggested to me re. what might have happened to Natalee's body.

But here's a hint. Grant's actions were ONE person's attempt to dispose of a body and evidence.

If several people were involved ... each with an "assignment" ... and maybe some had to re-visit and "re-do" that assignment ...

 

morning monkeys! Does anybody recall where Klaas posted the link to Grant's confession? I was reading it and something happened with my computer and I lost it...would like to finish reading it...

[Buckeye]

O/T

One last thought.

If you were innocent, and not talking, because you know the prosecutor and ALE are trying to hang you (from Joran's journal notes)....why would you want your attorney to file motions to block the FBI from investigating and turning up the truth??  I would think, an off island law enforcement agency would be welcomed, if I thought I was being framed.
This has nothing to do with Aruba soveirnity (sp?).  His own lawyer petitioned to block access of FBI, not on behalf of the gov't, but on the behalf of Joran.  Why do that, if innocent and feeling persecuted by the island ALE and prosecutor?? Could be the only hope...if innocent....guess NOT innocent..

[Tiger]

Yes,I think a film exists.San,you are right and someday,you may get your wish.Read a book by Mrs Marples hero,Hercele Piorot/.Murder on The Orient Express.I don't want to say to much,but I do think some will die soon,at the hands of Aruban Natrual Causes