THEORIES - THE NATALEE HOLLOWAY CASE

[klaasend]

I agree with the film part.Who is Stefi Loco

Read through this thread to find out about Loco Stefi:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=663

[klaasend]

HAMMER - October 2005 aren't in this forum. They were in one of the forums that crashed.  I think Tom has the records but hasn't set them up as archive files for us yet  

[Angiex911dsptchr]

HAMMER - October 2005 aren't in this forum. They were in one of the forums that crashed.  I think Tom has the records but hasn't set them up as archive files for us yet  

 it would be awesome to get that info back. I have tons of threads saved and would LOVE to back and read through them. Esp the ones with RENHO.

[Tamikosmom]

Thanks, Klaas --

Lookng forward to tamikosmom point of view, when she gets a minute to post.

I'll thumb back through some records to see if I can track down the original posts from 2005 on American Pie and reprise them here.

Great work, tamikosmom --

hammer ... it does not happen often (LOL) ... but I am at a loss of words.  I do not have a clue what you are making reference to ... comparing.

However ... I can appreciate that a lot of thought has gone into your theory and ... I would sincerely like to comprehend.

Janet

[klaasend]

Thanks, Klaas --

Lookng forward to tamikosmom point of view, when she gets a minute to post.

I'll thumb back through some records to see if I can track down the original posts from 2005 on American Pie and reprise them here.

Great work, tamikosmom --

hammer ... it does not happen often (LOL) ... but I am at a loss of words.  I do not have a clue what you are making reference to ... comparing.

However ... I can appreciate that a lot of thought has gone into your theory and ... I would sincerely like to comprehend.

Janet

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Pie_(film)

(snipped)

She comes to his house to study with him, and has to change clothes there after ballet practice, so Stifler convinces Jim to set up a webcam so they can all watch her change. Jim runs over to Kevin's house to watch. Once he gets there, Nadia is seen on the computer discovering his pornography collection hiding in his dresser,
(snipped)

[Tamikosmom]

Thanks Klaas

This will take some time to digest but ... what I am comprehending is that the despicable actions of Joran and company in regards to unsuspecting girls were patterned after the contents of this film.  Right ... Wrong?  

Thanks again.

Janet

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Pie_(film)

[klaasend]

Thanks Klaas

This will take some time to digest but ... what I am comprehending is that the despicable actions of Joran and company in regards to unsuspecting girls were patterned after the contents of this film.  Right ... Wrong?  

Thanks again.

Janet

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Pie_(film)

I believe that's Hammer's thought.  Some of the suspects in this case listed American Pie as one of their favorite movies too.

[Tamikosmom]

Thanks Klaas

This will take some time to digest but ... what I am comprehending is that the despicable actions of Joran and company in regards to unsuspecting girls were patterned after the contents of this film.  Right ... Wrong?  

Thanks again.

Janet

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Pie_(film)

I believe that's Hammer's thought.  Some of the suspects in this case listed American Pie as one of their favorite movies too.

I think that I may just rent this movie tomorrow ... it could provide me with some insight in regards to the comparisons that Hammer has compiled.

It is now 1:30 PM in my neck of the woods ... I have to clean house.  The over-50's group from the church is having a progressive dinner ... our home is the final stop - dessert, coffee and relazing.  The local bakery is a Godsend as I seldom bake anymore ... I'd rather be on the computer.  LOL

Thank you Klaas.  I hope you are having a good weekend.

Janet

[Tamikosmom]

THE NATALEE HOLLOWAY CASE - TAMIKOSMOM'S OUTCOME THEORY

I do not believe that Dutch law allows for the rulings of Dutch judges to be thrown out .... that would imply that Dutch judges are incompetent ... corrupt or ... the prosecutor is incompetent ... corrupt. In other words ... Holland and Aruba would be leaving themselves wide open in regards to the perceived coverup in the Natalee Holloway investigation if prior rulings were reversed. Therefore ... Joran, Deepak and Satish cannot be brought back in for questioning and ... the ruling that declared Paulus no longer a suspect cannot be reversed. The implication ... Aruba has no choice but to work with the status quo to bring the Natalee Holloway case to a conclusion and ... at the same time ... satisfy Natalee's family.

I strongly suspect that the deafening silence from both the Holloway and Twitty camps imply there has been a negotiated deal arrived at with all parties ... including Natalee's parents.  Natalee Holloway will be returned to her family ... her country. Beth and Dave will agree not to publicly speak or write negatively regarding any aspect of this case. There will be a final "truth" ... all other declarations will be retracted. At the very least ... Joran and Deepak may confess to and be charged with hiding Natalee's body after she died of natural causes ... no physical evidence to the contrary. However ... Paulus Van der Sloot will be spared because of the dirty little secrets he can reveal and ... his professional livelihood which is in the balance.

Also ... I suspect that some posters have already placed themselves on Natalee forums to create smokescreens to pave the road in regards to the a negotiated outcome in the investigation ... an coutcome that will exclude Paulus Van der Sloot from any implication in the events of the morning that Natalee Holloway missing.

IMO IMO

Janet

Jug Twitty
NANCY GRACE
August 29, 2005
TWITTY: ... it`s a terrible mistake, it`s an accident, he`s still underage, he`s a minor, even if they killed Natalee he probably would have gotten off with about five years.

Jug Twitty
'Scarborough Country'
July 14, 2005
TWITTY: ... Beth and I have been through this emotional roller coaster. And all we want is Natalee, whether she's alive or dead. We want to bring her back to the United States, and we'll leave and they can do whatever they want to do.

[IndyDan]

THE NATALEE HOLLOWAY CASE - TAMIKOSMOM'S OUTCOME THEORY

I do not believe that Dutch law allows for the rulings of Dutch judges to be thrown out .... that would imply that Dutch judges are incompetent ... corrupt or ... the prosecutor is incompetent ... corrupt. In other words ... Holland and Aruba would be leaving themselves wide open in regards to the perceived coverup in the Natalee Holloway investigation if prior rulings were reversed. Therefore ... Joran, Deepak and Satish cannot be brought back in for questioning and ... the ruling that declared Paulus no longer a suspect cannot be reversed. The implication ... Aruba has no choice but to work with the status quo to bring the Natalee Holloway case to a conclusion and ... at the same time ... satisfy Natalee's family.

I strongly suspect that the deafening silence from both the Holloway and Twitty camps imply there has been a negotiated deal arrived at with all parties ... including Natalee's parents.  Natalee Holloway will be returned to her family ... her country. Beth and Dave will agree not to publicly speak or write negatively regarding any aspect of this case. There will be a final "truth" ... all other declarations will be retracted. At the very least ... Joran and Deepak may confess to and be charged with hiding Natalee's body after she died of natural causes ... no physical evidence to the contrary. However ... Paulus Van der Sloot will be spared because of the dirty little secrets he can reveal and ... his professional livelihood which is in the balance.

Also ... I suspect that some posters have already placed themselves on Natalee forums to create smokescreens to pave the road in regards to the a negotiated outcome in the investigation ... an coutcome that will exclude Paulus Van der Sloot from any implication in the events of the morning that Natalee Holloway missing.

IMO IMO

Janet

Jug Twitty
NANCY GRACE
August 29, 2005
TWITTY: ... it`s a terrible mistake, it`s an accident, he`s still underage, he`s a minor, even if they killed Natalee he probably would have gotten off with about five years.

Jug Twitty
'Scarborough Country'
July 14, 2005
TWITTY: ... Beth and I have been through this emotional roller coaster. And all we want is Natalee, whether she's alive or dead. We want to bring her back to the United States, and we'll leave and they can do whatever they want to do.

Hi Janet,
I don't think there's a body to turn over to the family at this point.  
You're theory post sure set the bar high, excellent job of timelining it all. Very nicely done.
I also don't think after all this time that Natalee's family is going to settle in any way.  I wouldn't at this point.  I just don't think there's any kind of an agreement that would allow the criminals to go free and at the same time buy the family's silence.  But that's just my opinion.
Still wanna say again tho', you're theory post was awesome!  Thank you.

[Tamikosmom]

IndyDan ... thank you for your response and ... you could be right.

My thought process .... I truly believe it is too late for Aruba or Holland to turn back the clock.  It is no longer about exposing those who participated in the events of that fateful morning ... it is about revealing those who were involved in a corrupt investigation to distance Paulus and Joran from being implicated and ... I suspect that it extend to all levels of the Aruban and Dutch administrations.  Maybe this is too much of a mountain to climb for the family of Natalee Holloway and ... as Jug Twitty stated ... bringing Natatee home would suffice.  I firmly believe when the time is right ... there will be a day of reckoning for all of those in Aruba and Holland who have denied an 18 year old American citizen justice and ... put her family through a literal H--- on Earth for the past two years.

Janet


Jossy Mansur
NANCY GRACE - October 4, 2005

GRACE: … Jossy, regarding the connection, what I perceived to be a close connection between the judge, Paulus Van Der Sloot and the retired chief of police who initially handled Natalee`s case, Van Der Stratten, were they friends?
 
MANSUR: Of course, they were friends. It stands to reason they were friends because Paul Van Der Sloot had many friends within the police department; he had many friends within the Department of Justice. And he had many friends with -- and he was friendly with all the judges in Aruba. He worked out of the same office as they did and did the same work.

[Silverfox]

I believe all these theories are very interesting...

I also believe 'in the system' -- but of course the system can be corrupt....

I haven't really sat down and evaluated all of the transcripts, but one aspect of this case that I have theorized in the past has been the involvement of the father.

I have always believed his involvement is much much more than is being discussed.

and now certain aspects are coming to light...

-- like the 'tapped phone conversation' that the court has in it's possession now....

-- like the bank records documenting the early hours bank transaction

-- like the recently surfaced video apparently showing the presence of PVDS in the casino sitting next to Nat....

I understand the theory of American Pie and believe there may be some credibility, at least in part, to some of this theory....

I also understand the underlying meanings and definitions of "pimp" as the "procurer or supplier" of "products" (females) for sexual gratification....

I suggest that, even though it seems "far-fetched" -- that the movie "Eyes Wide Shut" is worth your while to watch as long as folks are out checking our movies...

in that movie certain members of high society have created a 'sexual club' of sorts that relies on the recruitment and exploitation of young women....

One of the underlying themes that runs throughout this movie is that the powerful can organize to engage in gratifications of the most evil kind, while, at the same time 'covering up' for eveyone else....

in the movie a young woman dies --  she is maligned by the chiefs of the cult as being a 'prostitute' but interestingly no proof was ever presented of such -- and, obviously she had no mother like Beth Twitty to enter the fray...

the movie stars Tom Cruise... and for those of you who have wondered about the "Scientology" connection in the past -- well, we all Know there is much more to any picture than meets the eye -- coincidence?  or could the movie have been based on an actual organization of the powerful elite on an island --

The point is the apparent high level involvement of certain high government officials, in both the movie and what we are apparently seeing in Aruba have startling similarities....

What if the "pimps" are an organized gang that procures for the 'elders' of a cult such as that in the movie?  

What if the purpose of the Boys is to bring the women to certain high levels... take the police tapes of the conversations of the boys -- particularly the Deepak reference to JVDS's father's incredibile involvement...

I haven't done as much research as i should on this -- but I have always wondered about the possibilities....

What if Shango actually is more than a game?  you see?  even the Shango posts actually give credibility to this far fetched theory... and, for whatever reasons I think it is starting to unravel the mystery...

what if "DirtyHands" is either the highest elected official of the land?  

just some thoughts as long as it is legal to suggest a theory here...

[the big hammer]

American Pie & Natalee Holloway

The focus of the work was to help determine MOTIVATION; versus the work of tamikosmom which focuses on WHAT HAPPENED.  Therefore, the focus is on WHY; not WHAT or HOW.  Two very different slices of a similar "pie" (as it were).  I see the combined work as complementary (and not different cuts at the same issue), thereby providing a possibly more complete picture of the entire event.  

The relevant points of research are many, but highlights include:

1. The original on air reports of Geraldo Rivera, Fox News, dating back to June, 2005, in which he was "the first" to report that had been previous compaints against jvds (and others) re: porn videos made and passed around the group and even sold.  These initial reports were heavily discounted, as on air reporting covered search and interviews increasingly during summer months, 2005.

2.  The tickle site postings of the main suspects, many of which listed American Pie as a fav movie under "Movie Favorites".  The only screen capture available today (the web pages were taken down in early June 2005), I believe is Satish's, and sure enough American Pie is listed as a fav of his.

3.  It's important to review the online Webshot album of Bailey Anne Buzzato, who vacationed in Aruba during March of 2005, just 75-90 days prior to Natalee's abduction and murder.  And to further absorb the scenes depicted in Carlos & Charlie's, as well as to imaginatively see the role of Loco Stefy.  The close in screen shots of the video players in the car are important as well.  And of course, note where Bailey Ann and her friend Alyse, end up: in a car w/ jvds, deepak, and in this case Freddy Zedan Arambatzis.

4.In conjunction w/ Bailey Ann, and delivered separately to the threads here, is the interesting photo of Loco Stefy, topless in a bed at The Mill Resort.  The picture was delivered with stated date of March 10 2005.  There are separate threads, and I believe Klass linked to one above, detailing the actions and mission of Loco Stefy.  This picture was taken, it has been speculated, during the same nite that the Bailey Ann "last wild nite" photos were taken. The Mill Resort is immediately adjacent to the Wyndham, where Bailey Ann was staying.  And of course the Wyndham was one of the jvds hangouts, as indicated in his recounting of movements for the early morning hours of 5/31/05.

5.  An interesting corroboration can be viewed at ikeepadiary.com under Brian Battjer's Aruba entry.  Note the role of the attractive Alexandra, and the mission of the gay man Ramses, and the condition and situation of Scott, Battjer's pal and traveling companion.  Where do you think Ramses was taking the unconscious Scott?  Authored during January, 2004, this diary suggests much:  Strange things had been going on in Aruba for a long time before Natalee ever met joran van der sloot.

6.  The arrest charges of Freddy Zedan and Jamie Carrasquilla during August 2005.  They were hauled in on "rape" charges, having sexual relations with a girl who was unconscious, and filiming the event.  Of course ALE dismissed, saying the confusion was over pictures of a bikini-clad girl.  (An interesting point related directly to this is the PV's which refer to kalpoe's having to return "Freddy's Camera" during their police questioning.)

7.  The overwhelming amount of pornographic references in jvds' own testimony and interviews, and also stories about him.  Many of these are outlined above in the abbreviated posting I made a while back, which Klass has repised here on thsi thread.  There are of course more, but this is quite a compendium of depravity.

8.  The movie "American Pie" itself is worth a viewing.  The underlying theme of hi-jinks, imo, was taken to a different level in Aruba.  Note the role of enabling technology, which is featured in the movie.

The more complete theory posts were first were here in October of 2005, and had I saved them, I'd be happy to report here, but alas I don't have copies.  The original post was updated, as new revelations of porn involvement were exposed as new facts were learned about the case and the investigation, and the overwhelming quantity of these references made updating pointless.  So the originals are back in the archives somewhere.

Even though theory, I believe this is a very close proximation of "WHY" what happened to Natalee did happen.  These boys were engaged in what they believed to be "hi-jinks" -- which was actually serial rape and kidnapping, and taking pictures/recording their events was as critical to the event itself.  Fueled by drinking (and probably drug) habits at young ages, they were out-of-control and were a collective accident waiting to happen.  Among the important things to consider therefore is the cognition of their immediate friends, and themselves.  While she's a difficult read for some, I thought these words provided a well though through summary of the psychology of the pimps and their behaviors:

Dutchlady 9/21/05 SM: Commenting on original American Pie outline

"...The tools if we look at cognitive states in the tickle sites are camera, internet, car, and Van Der Sloot home. The issue reminds me of the death of Princess Diana where the desired photographs of her death in the car were fed to media brokered over the internet. In my mind has always been did someone make a headline that morning, but that is sidetracking. The point is that in making pictures for whatever reason this does not stop in persons traits as a signature. I think Deepak is the camera man on the tickle sites and is the uploader of images because of the technology he has and had at his disposal. That is why in statements as 'through away' words he has used past tense and the term 'goodie two shoes'. I would in this case be looking for shoes as a word of two and shoes. It strikes a cord and in coming into visual sensory memory banks he has used a phrase to evade saying the words he does not want to say.

If there is a disc of images it will most likely have been posted as cd. But as Deepak was online I am surmising the importance was the processing of digital camera images as it does not make sense in what is past behaviour. Now in addictive traits that are AOD's as exhibited consider also the 'salient wanting' of entrapment. In having a subserviant, compliant object that is human the mind engages on control. We all know of the experiment where senior officers were made both jailer and imprisoned. In less than five minutes the play acting turned sinister and even mild none 'wanting' brains fed on neurochemical charges and sparked off a frenzy in the others in that control group.

In rounding up, the sex with a prone person captured with no method of escape and the actions on that person are a time warp and have to be captured to relive the experience. If in a real scenario this behaviour had been part of sensation seeking in AOD and other addictive performances then the group who viewed what went on would seek to record this as a premeditated act of 'high jinks' in contrast to criminal acts. This is status empowerment same as graffiti is unlawful in the lower classes but not in public school vandalism as same crime. One is covered by money and power, the other is generalization of inner city poor and societal norms.

I hope this gives some real examples of what is really factual in behaviours that person exhibit as themselves as 'norms'. I therefore think the fbi should look in the safety boxes of persons of interest for such hardcopies just in case..."

Comments are welcome.

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[Tamikosmom]

Silverfox ... your post was a very interesting read.  I think I might pass on viewing the movie, Eyes Wide Shut, and stick to researching its underlying implications on the internet.  However ... I do believe that I may take the bulls by the horn and rent "American Pie" today ... despite being warned last night by some friends ... it may not be my cup of tea.  Something akin to buying a Playboy to read the articles.  LOL

Thank you

Janet

[IndyDan]

American Pie & Natalee Holloway


8.  The movie "American Pie" itself is worth a viewing.  The underlying theme of hi-jinks, imo, was taken to a different level in Aruba.  Note the role of enabling technology, which is featured in the movie.

Comments are welcome.

.

Hammer,
I know I've see American Pie but just don't recall much about it, maybe I'll rent it again.  Is that the one with Kevin Spacey?

[Silverfox]

Silverfox ... your post was a very interesting read.  I think I might pass on viewing the movie, Eyes Wide Shut, and stick to researching its underlying implications on the internet.  However ... I do believe that I may take the bulls by the horn and rent "American Pie" today ... despite being warned last night by some friends ... it may not be my cup of tea.  Something akin to buying a Playboy to read the articles.  LOL

Thank you

Janet

I understand what you are saying and don't blame you.  Eye's Wide Shut is a very "deep" Kubrick film.  I just can't help but think perhaps there is a nexus between the two theories and films -- and although American Pie is directly named by the boys as a favorite, my point is that they could have been feeding their victims to a higher order...

I realize that the "Shango" posts are very controversial but I always looked at them from the aspect of "what if" they are a reporting of actual activities that might be going on by very highly placed public figures and power persons...


For a really good good read on an interpretation of "Eyes Wide Shut" check out this site:

http://www.konformist.com/flicks/eyeswideshut.htm

This interpretation is enough to make your skin crawl -- and most certainly  what apparently happened to Nat is ditto... I believe that the truth lies between the theories in both movies and that there is a convergance.  Here is the opening excerpt:  

In Stanley Kubrick's final film, Eyes Wide Shut, are numerous veiled allusions to the CIA's MK-ULTRA mind control experiments and Monarch sex slave programming, subjects which readers of The Konformist should be well familiar. According to believed victims of Monarch abuse, their ranks number literally in thousands, and it has been alleged that these very same victims have been used extensively as sex slaves, drug mules and assassins. According to varied sources, Monarch programming begins immediately at birth, and is carried out through the lives of its victims, as they are used by intelligence agencies and secret societies like mere pawns on a gameboard, until--in many instances--they have outlived their usefulness, and are terminally "discarded". While this author does not buy lock, stock and barrel all of the sordid tales associated with Monarch abuse, I nonetheless suspect that it does actually exist in many cases, regardless of all the disinformation that exists in mind control lore obscuring the true reality of the situation. Like all weighty subjects--conspiratorial or otherwise--one must separate the wheat from chaff, which is not an easy proposition, to say the least. According to Per Sewen of Illuminati News, he viewed Eyes Wide Shut  with a woman who had been "subjected to Satanic Ritual Abuse (SRA) by the Illuminati and she found it very, very accurate. None of us had any idea what the movie was about, so it was a shock for both of us, especially as these kinds of movies can be very triggering for victims of SRA. And it was. This girl didn't feel well afterwards..."

[Sleuth]

American Pie & Natalee Holloway

The focus of the work was to help determine MOTIVATION; versus the work of tamikosmom which focuses on WHAT HAPPENED.  Therefore, the focus is on WHY; not WHAT or HOW.  Two very different slices of a similar "pie" (as it were).  I see the combined work as complementary (and not different cuts at the same issue), thereby providing a possibly more complete picture of the entire event.  

From Hammer, October 2005


“American Pie” Theory Outline

Attempts to explain “motive” for NH disappearance: sex was part of the motive, but only part of it. Deputy Polis commissioner has offered on air in interviews that car carrying jvds and NH stopped outside vds residence. There was “no” sex according to Dompig’s reporting of jvds declaration– but jvds had a plan. The plan may very well have been to record via digital image or video the assault on NH for sharing at a later time among jvds, dk, dk and others.

Where does this theory come from?

Numerous news sources have indicated and corroborated that a minimum of 2 cell phone calls were placed from jvds cell phone nite NH disappeared. One at approximately 2:35am and one at 3:00am. Deepak attorney cited on air confirming cell traffic and further confirming K2 home computer log off timed simultaneously w/ 2nd jvds cell call, ie, 3:00am. Under these circumstances, this traffic is unusual. But there may be an interesting explanation for this digitized messaging.

Additional information from other posters (Huff, and others) suggests 2:35am transmission was an e-mail and 3:00am transmission was a text message. This is key. The transmission via e-mail would be the preferred way to transmit still or video images. jvds has stated that this was the transmission he made to deepak asking for ride home from the beach area where deepak supposedly left jvds & NH. But the mode of transmission (e-mail) suggests strongly that jvds already knew that deepak was online –waiting to receive his message. (If one needed a ride, why wouldn’tthey make a voice call?)

How does the technology work?

How would one go about digitally videoing and e-mailing the material to remotely located viewers? Below is a verbatim copy & paste from a pm I forwarded on 9/9/05 to a fellow SM poster, who asked the same question.

“”I asked 3 knowledgable young men, very tech friendly and capable who all work professionally in digital graphics environments.

1. E-Mailing still digital picture or e-mailing short video via properly equipped cell phone. This is routinely done and easy to do. Most newer cell phone models come equipped w/ everything needed: still camera, video camera and e-mail. It’s a snap to do, and 2 of the guys I spoke with demonstrated how to do it. Almost as simple as making a phone call, esp for those who know how to work the cell phone menus. In fact, 2 of the guys e-mailed me a picture (to my remotely located computer) which they took while I discussed w/ them. Short video (1-3 minutes) works same way. This though is not LIVE — however it’s very close.

2. Live video streaming to remote location. This is also very doable, but a web cam (web camera) is needed. This is a different piece of hardware; they can be small and easily handled, about the size of large film camera. The ability of the web cam to stream live video is limited — in terms of transmission distance — by the wifi cell network available to the user: the wider the cell network, the wider the area available for live video transmission.

3. Live video streaming to remote location via satellite. More sophisticated and expensive, but also doable. Transmitting web cam video via satellite would greatly expand the signal receiving geography — possibly to anywhere under certain circumstances and given costly subscription access.”"

The Movie “American Pie”

Released 1999. At the time, Deepak was 15 yrs old, jvds 11 and Satish 13. It’s been confirmed that SK lists American Pie among fav movies on his original tickle site (SK lists this movis first among 5-6 others). Additionally, I suspect that jvds and dk also list same movie and am waiting for confirmation. Other sm posters have said they recall that American Pie showed as a fav on jvds tickle site. Among their other friends, American Pie shows up as fav movie on their tickle sites as well.

American Pie known for 2 cultural contributions: coining the acronym “MILF” and the following signature scene as described in wikipedia:

“…Jim Levenstein (Biggs) pursues Nadia (Shannon Elizabeth), an exchange student from former Czechoslovakia. She comes to his house to study with him, and has to change clothes there after ballet practice, so Stifler convinces Jim to set up a webcam so they can all watch. Jim runs over to Kevin’s house to watch, but she finds his pornography collection, and “goes downstairs”, as Finch puts it. Kevin urges Jim to run back home, saying this is his best opportunity. Jim arrives, and Nadia orders him to strip; meanwhile, it turns out that he had incorrectly addressed the e-mail to Kevin and Stifler, sending the link to every mailbox in the school directory; virtually the entire student body was watching…”
 
Link to plot summary at Wikipedia

Other Related Information

1. Recall anita (vds) description of items taken during search of jvds apt and “other” property: computers, laptops and cameras. Why would polis take cameras unless they thought — or knew — something else was going on other than e-mail, tm chatter.

2. Review this post by blogger Huff. Scroll down to 8/27/05 entry to read about Freddy and his background. Looks like one of jvds good friends was involved in some interesting activities:

“Here are the exact charges against Freddy Arambatziz, according to Vinda de Sousa:

Intentionally distributing sexual images of a minor.
Intercourse with an unconscious person.
Sexual acts with a girl younger than 16 years. ”

Link to Huff

3. jvds National Enquirer indicates he carries video porn with him. According to this story, he viewed porn and shared w/ his female acquaintance on a “small video player.” It’s too bad that the young woman in question wasn’t able to get a closer look at the actors in this video.

4. Review Dutchlady’s posts on thread: “Deepak knows Natalee is dead” for a perspective on the possible psychology at work here.

“…The tools if we look at cognitive states in the tickle sites are camera, internet, car, and Van Der Sloot home….If there is a disc of images it will most likely have been posted as cd. But as Deepak was online I am surmising the importance was the processing of digital camera images as it does not make sense in what is past behaviour….the sex with a prone person captured with no method of escape and the actions on that person are a time warp and have to be captured to relive the experience. If in a real scenario this behaviour had been part of sensation seeking in AOD and other addictive performances then the group who viewed what went on would seek to record this as a premeditated act of ‘high jinks’ in contrast to criminal acts…”

Link to DutchLady

4. We have learned that Cyberzone Internet Cafe was sold to K2 stepdad Ramirez with a Chamber of Commerce transfer date of Aug 29, 2005. Assuming usually business sale transaction lead time of 60-90 days, the 90 outside limit would be 5/29 — the nite before Nat went missing. It would be highly likely that the sale of this business was agreed to “Intent to Purchase” in 0-20 days after Nat went missing timeframe. Would be interesting to see what a forensic cleaning of the Cyberzone hard drives might uncover.

5. Lloyd Selwyn Hickinson: Former owner of CyberZone Internet Cafe. Seller to Ramirez, Kalpoe stepdad. This would be a good person for polis to question — wonder what made him sell. If anybody knew what was on the Cafe computers, it’s likely he would know.

[Tamikosmom]

American Pie & Natalee Holloway


8.  The movie "American Pie" itself is worth a viewing.  The underlying theme of hi-jinks, imo, was taken to a different level in Aruba.  Note the role of enabling technology, which is featured in the movie.

Comments are welcome.

.

Hammer,
I know I've see American Pie but just don't recall much about it, maybe I'll rent it again.  Is that the one with Kevin Spacey?

LOL

I do not know if it is in the cards for me to view this movie.

IndyDan ... at our local Block Busters I requested "American Pie" with Kevin Spacey.  I was informed that they had an "American Beauty" DVD  with Kevin Spacey and ... they had four different "American Pie" DVDs.  The storyline from "American Beauty" did not seem to imply any relation with the activities of the Aruba bunch although my eighteen year old nephew's eyes did bug out at the image on the case and ... the "American Pie" series did not have any overviews.  The main covers/cases were missing from all four DVDs ...

Hammer ... is your theory based on American Pie - Part 1, 2, 3 or 4.

Thanks

Janet

[the big hammer]

Thanks to Sleuth for Reprising

There's an oldie -- thanks for bringing forward, Sleuth.  At the time of this posting, among the main contentions was whether technology existed that could actually perform the transmission of a live event for private viewing via the internet/email.  I believe most of us have acknowledged by now, that this is not only possible, but happens frequently.  Further, the question of saving and transmitting images is a no-brainer via the internet.  This explains the focus in this (there were others as well) post.  There were other posts that followed this one (I think), and others that preceeded.

Which American Pie Movie?

A caution: "AMERICAN PIE" has become here a phraseology denoting "videoed or photoed".  It was offered at the time (October 2005)in this spirit, as well.  The exact storyline of the movie will not correspond to the tragic events of Natalee, but it will serve to highlight hijinks and enabling technologies which more than likely served as motivators of the event.  Therefore, "American Pie" has evolved here, on these threads, as more a label for the concept of "abducted for video purposes" versus the storyline giving direct corroboration of the event.  American Pie was an "inspiration" - but not an "instruction manual." And it is quite true that numerous pimps listed this among their fav movies.

A viewing of the original American Pie (Part One) would be all one would need.  Released in 1999.  This one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Pie_(movie)

Looking forward to comments from all --

[IndyDan]

Thanks to Sleuth for Reprising


Which American Pie Movie?

A caution: "AMERICAN PIE" has become here a phraseology denoting "videoed or photoed".  It was offered at the time (October 2005)in this spirit, as well.  The exact storyline of the movie will not correspond to the tragic events of Natalee, but it will serve to highlight hijinks and enabling technologies which more than likely served as motivators of the event.  Therefore, "American Pie" has evolved here, on these threads, as more a label for the concept of "abducted for video purposes" versus the storyline giving direct corroboration of the event.  American Pie was an "inspiration" - but not an "instruction manual." And it is quite true that numerous pimps listed this among their fav movies.

A viewing of the original American Pie (Part One) would be all one would need.  Released in 1999.  This one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Pie_(movie)

Looking forward to comments from all --

I totally understand where you're going with this, and I totally agree with you.  I understand the young male psychie, I was one, I raised one and my son is raising one.  I think you're right on the money, at least with regard to my opinion of why and how this crime went down.
I'll also not a stretch to say that in a lawless thrid world country like Aruba, it's not hard to understand why they'd coverup the murder.