Lively Case Discussion #601 4/15 - 4/17/2007

[klaasend]

Let's hope 2007 brings Justice for Natalee

[klaasend]

[crazybabyborg]

ROFL!!!   No words. That's perfect!!!

[San]

I could have sworn you started a thread last night

[crazybabyborg]

OMG, Klaas!!!     You just rared back and whacked my funny bone!!!

Joran's just tap dancing around the truth!!
I like to look at that and think of somebody shooting at his feet!  

[San]

This is so funny.

[crazybabyborg]

OR he's trying to address a wedgie.

[adoronron]

Klaas, Anna, Anyone,

Where can I find postings on the 4 AM ATM visit. When PVS was hit with that info during his lawsuit in what manner was that fact told or presented to him? Was it just that they knew he made an ATM visit becasue there had been activity on one of his accounts at that ATM at that time? Or did they have a security cam record of him at the ATM?

[klaasend]

I could have sworn you started a thread last night

I did, but it turned into a photo evaluation thread so I changed the name of it  

[Lala'sMom]

From previous thread...Tamikosmom post:  My comments in red.

Benvinda de Souza - Family Attorney
Letter to Karen Jansen
June 23, 2005

<snipped>

Also understood by Claudio is that mr. Van Der Sloot said that he picked up Joran around 4:00 am close to McDonald’s.

<snipped>

What comes next is the questions that the family wanted answers to:

1) Has Mr. Groeneveld been interrogated about the times Probably didn't matter what he said, since no one asked him.

2) Has Mr. Eldridge been interrogated Most probably not.

3) Why hasn’t Jug Twitty been interrogated He did give a statement, or did they even ask him for one?

4) Did the police notice that the clothes were unsuitable for somebody who had just been in the casino? What clothes are we talking about here?  When?  The ones the maid had laundered or the ones on the casino video?

5) Has it been confirmed that Joran has been in the casino? This because a personnel of the casino had mentioned that he had seen Nathalee We now know the answer to this question. Yes he was there along with Papa.  Wonder who the "personnel" was?

6) Has Charles Croes been interrogated? You don't ask the person that has all cell phone records in Aruba any questions, too many answers you can't explain.

7) Is it true that Mr. Kalpoe owns a ‘koei’ [?! Maybe they mean a ‘kooi’, which is a cage?!] Which Mr. Kalpoe would this be? Deepak, perhaps?  Never heard this one. Anyone?

Cool Has it been established that Joran told his father in the presence of the grou that he was first in the Wyndham and then in the Raddisson and afterwards he went home?

9) Has there been any forensic evidence and if so, where? All evidence was sent to the Netherlands.  Doesn't anyone keep up here? LOL

10) What does the Justice Department base their reasonable suspicion on, other than statements of the suspects? Which Justice Dept are we talking about here?  U. S. ?  Didn't know they had actually made a statement concerning this case yet.

11) Are there other people that are considered suspects or is the Justice Department only focusing on these suspects? Again, which place?  Are they talking about Janssen's office?

12) It seems that Joran’s Headmaster said to Jug Twitty that Joran said that Nathalee had drowned . Have these people been interrogated I don't think the headmaster ever stated for the record that Joran said this.  I could be wrong. Anyone know?

Translation Credit - Arubagirl

[klaasend]

Klaas, Anna, Anyone,

Where can I find postings on the 4 AM ATM visit. When PVS was hit with that info during his lawsuit in what manner was that fact told or presented to him? Was it just that they knew he made an ATM visit becasue there had been activity on one of his accounts at that ATM at that time? Or did they have a security cam record of him at the ATM?

I know there's a front page post on it.  I'll find it.

[nonesuche]

OR he's trying to address a wedgie.

      I hope both !    

well it's monsoons and hail here right now, batten down the hatches those upwind from our parts, it's a comin !!!!!!!!

did lala's ever go to bed last night? she's still hard at work shango-ing  

[klaasend]

Klaas, Anna, Anyone,

Where can I find postings on the 4 AM ATM visit. When PVS was hit with that info during his lawsuit in what manner was that fact told or presented to him? Was it just that they knew he made an ATM visit becasue there had been activity on one of his accounts at that ATM at that time? Or did they have a security cam record of him at the ATM?

I know there's a front page post on it.  I'll find it.

I think you'll find most of that information here in the fp post on SM:

http://tinyurl.com/27xaf6

PAUL VAN DER SLOOT HAD TWO PERSONAL CONTACTS WITH NATALEE THE NIGHT SHE DISAPPEARED

ORANJESTAD(AAN) On the 13th of  February 2007, the Superior Court dictated sentence against Paul van der Sloot in the case that he appealed with regards to the damages that his person as well as his family members asked for, seeing that in the Primary Court (Court of First Instance) Paul van der Sloot alone (no one else in his family) got a reward of 40,000 guilders for damages and 1500 guilders to cover the costs of the lawyers, court clerks, etc.
 
The sentence of the Superior Court fell like a bomb on Paul van der Sloot and his defence attorney because, according to the attorney, the Court made use of informations that do not agree with the truth.
 
The Court dictated that Paul van der Sloot fetched Joran and Natalee at the McDonald Palm Beach branch and took the two of them to the Holiday Inn, according to declarations by witnesses and also informations obtained from a phone tap carried out by the police.
 
Until recently, this key information was not known in the press and apparently only by the Police and Dept. of Justice.
 
The whole case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway gets a different twist now that the information has come out from no less than the Superior Court, and in which mention is made of the declarations of witnesses and a phone tap that show or give an indication that Paul van der Sloot had on two occasions personal contact with Natalee during the night that she disappeared.
 
Mention is made that, according to one or more official reports of the phone tap and also the declaration of Paul van der Sloot himself, that Paul fetched Joran and Natalee at McDonald and took them to the Holiday Inn.
 
Based on this information, the judicial authorities and the police had at that time a justified basis to arrest Paul van der Sloot based on different suspicions.
 
According to the Superior Court, Paul van der Sloot himself is guilty, he made possible or caused (depends how every one interprets the grammar in the sentence of the Court’s) himself to be arrested and that Aruba cannot be held responsible for the damages that he suffered and for which he was demanding damages, which he won in First Instance, but appealed to get more, and now has lost everything.
 
In the sentence there are various points and aspects that brought a different view on the Natalee Holloway case and that in the coming days will be analyzed, but the most important information is the matter of fetching Natalee and Joran at the McDonald, Palm Beach, and also that Paul had on two occasions personal contacts with Natalee on the night that she disappeared.
 
The cardinal question now is: what did the police authorities hear on the tapped phone of Paul van der Sloot, and the next question is hotter still: at what time, under what circumstances, and where did Paul van der Sloot as the father of Joran van der Sloot  have contacts with Natalee Holloway the night she disappeared?
 
If the Superior Court says that in the official report mention is made that Paul van der Sloot fetched Joran and Natalee on the aforementioned night at McDonald Palm Beach, that is the first contact, but where did the second contact take place?
 
On the night of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, Paul van der Sloot met again with Natalee after he left Joran with Natalee at the Holiday Inn? If that is the case, then where and at what time did Natalee disappear that night?
 
In the declarations of Joran and the Kalpoe brothers there was a heated discussion amongst them, with formal denials as to whether they went with Natalee to the house of Paul van der Sloot on the night of her disappearance.
 
That’s why it is important to get clarity on the two occasions that Paul van der Sloot had personal contacts with Natalee on the night in question and where and under what circumstances they occurred.
 
The lawyer for Paul van der Sloot denies that Paul declared that he fetched Joran and Natalee at McDonald Palm Beach, and that he had contacts with Natalee the night she disappeared, but the Superior Court of Justice based its sentence on the information presented by the interim Attorney General of Aruba.

[Lala'sMom]

Klaas, Anna, Anyone,

Where can I find postings on the 4 AM ATM visit. When PVS was hit with that info during his lawsuit in what manner was that fact told or presented to him? Was it just that they knew he made an ATM visit becasue there had been activity on one of his accounts at that ATM at that time? Or did they have a security cam record of him at the ATM?

I know there's a front page post on it.  I'll find it.

I think you'll find most of that information here in the fp post on SM:

http://tinyurl.com/27xaf6

PAUL VAN DER SLOOT HAD TWO PERSONAL CONTACTS WITH NATALEE THE NIGHT SHE DISAPPEARED

ORANJESTAD(AAN) On the 13th of  February 2007, the Superior Court dictated sentence against Paul van der Sloot in the case that he appealed with regards to the damages that his person as well as his family members asked for, seeing that in the Primary Court (Court of First Instance) Paul van der Sloot alone (no one else in his family) got a reward of 40,000 guilders for damages and 1500 guilders to cover the costs of the lawyers, court clerks, etc.
 
The sentence of the Superior Court fell like a bomb on Paul van der Sloot and his defence attorney because, according to the attorney, the Court made use of informations that do not agree with the truth.
 
The Court dictated that Paul van der Sloot fetched Joran and Natalee at the McDonald Palm Beach branch and took the two of them to the Holiday Inn, according to declarations by witnesses and also informations obtained from a phone tap carried out by the police.
 
Until recently, this key information was not known in the press and apparently only by the Police and Dept. of Justice.
 
The whole case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway gets a different twist now that the information has come out from no less than the Superior Court, and in which mention is made of the declarations of witnesses and a phone tap that show or give an indication that Paul van der Sloot had on two occasions personal contact with Natalee during the night that she disappeared.
 
Mention is made that, according to one or more official reports of the phone tap and also the declaration of Paul van der Sloot himself, that Paul fetched Joran and Natalee at McDonald and took them to the Holiday Inn.
 
Based on this information, the judicial authorities and the police had at that time a justified basis to arrest Paul van der Sloot based on different suspicions.
 
According to the Superior Court, Paul van der Sloot himself is guilty, he made possible or caused (depends how every one interprets the grammar in the sentence of the Court’s) himself to be arrested and that Aruba cannot be held responsible for the damages that he suffered and for which he was demanding damages, which he won in First Instance, but appealed to get more, and now has lost everything.
 
In the sentence there are various points and aspects that brought a different view on the Natalee Holloway case and that in the coming days will be analyzed, but the most important information is the matter of fetching Natalee and Joran at the McDonald, Palm Beach, and also that Paul had on two occasions personal contacts with Natalee on the night that she disappeared.
 
The cardinal question now is: what did the police authorities hear on the tapped phone of Paul van der Sloot, and the next question is hotter still: at what time, under what circumstances, and where did Paul van der Sloot as the father of Joran van der Sloot  have contacts with Natalee Holloway the night she disappeared?
 
If the Superior Court says that in the official report mention is made that Paul van der Sloot fetched Joran and Natalee on the aforementioned night at McDonald Palm Beach, that is the first contact, but where did the second contact take place?
 
On the night of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, Paul van der Sloot met again with Natalee after he left Joran with Natalee at the Holiday Inn? If that is the case, then where and at what time did Natalee disappear that night?
 
In the declarations of Joran and the Kalpoe brothers there was a heated discussion amongst them, with formal denials as to whether they went with Natalee to the house of Paul van der Sloot on the night of her disappearance.
 
That’s why it is important to get clarity on the two occasions that Paul van der Sloot had personal contacts with Natalee on the night in question and where and under what circumstances they occurred.
 
The lawyer for Paul van der Sloot denies that Paul declared that he fetched Joran and Natalee at McDonald Palm Beach, and that he had contacts with Natalee the night she disappeared, but the Superior Court of Justice based its sentence on the information presented by the interim Attorney General of Aruba.

So who's lying?  The courts or Sloot man? Tylergal has always purported that she was carried to the HI.

[klaasend]

Lala's - the courts are looking at "wire tap" evidence.  I suppose if PVDS was talking to someone about it he could have known his phone was tapped and was lying.  How will we know?

[San]

Lala's - the courts are looking at "wire tap" evidence.  I suppose if PVDS was talking to someone about it he could have known his phone was tapped and was lying.  How will we know?

This is so true Klaas.  Because Joran says in one of his statements to Deepak about the phones being tapped.

[nonesuche]

just downright amazing, reading this makes me feel ill all over again

a lying officer of the courts yet there is no corruption?  

[San]

Lala's - the courts are looking at "wire tap" evidence.  I suppose if PVDS was talking to someone about it he could have known his phone was tapped and was lying.  How will we know?

This is so true Klaas.  Because Joran says in one of his statements to Deepak about the phones being tapped.

From the Police Car Transcript:

Joran: You said then via the telephone like, that I have the jackpot. You said now [?] through the phone , I have the fxxxing jackpot. You forget that the phone is tapped, right?
Satish or Deepak: Shut your trap [hou je bek]
Joran: You forget that, right +++++? Then you arrive home and you say how you arranged everything. You say "I have fixed it". Good for you [meaning your own fault]. because of you he is also in jail.
Deepak: Yeaaaaaaaaahhh! Yeahhhhhhhhh![/list]

Sometimes I wonder if Joran said this about the phones being tapped because they really didn't know they were tapped.  This way they can say we know the phones were tapped and we lied on purpose like everything else in this case of lies.

Didn't Deepak say in one of his statements he knew he was being monitored and he lied on purpose.

[nonesuche]

San-

I think they all knew and that Paulus had an insider giving him a heads-up on every step the ALE was taking

[adoronron]

Lala's - the courts are looking at "wire tap" evidence.  I suppose if PVDS was talking to someone about it he could have known his phone was tapped and was lying.  How will we know?

Thanks Klass for the link.

By wire tapped you mean phone tapped?

Ane everyone is sure it's tapped information, not taped as in taped conversation?
And I guess none of us know when the date of the tapped/taped conversation took place, correct?

I can't find in the link you sent me much information on the ATM visit. Only that PVS was told they have tapped information on him. I really am interested on what evidence there is about the ATM stop.

Ado