Lively Case Discussion #601 4/15 - 4/17/2007

[klaasend]

Speaking of Vista and IM...is there a fix for Yahoo IM that doesn't work with Vista?  Kid is having fits with hers. You were right Angie.

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[Tylergal]

OT
 But then again.. when arn't I ? lol

I belong to a support group online.  Its for the vocal cord problem BS.
 Anyhow every Sunday they meet online in a private chat for an hour. I really have nto been able to make it lately due to work. So there are a few new members. i went today since I was able to for a change.
  One of the members was talking about how she just went to Holland over Easter. Another member said OMG why would you go there after all thats been going on with the girl thats missing from Aruba.
 I almost fell off my chair here.  I spoke up and said I have followed the case as well.  Well this lady was sticking up for Aruba, and Holland and going on and on about corrupt govt's elsewhere. I asked her what exactly did she know about the case? I left a link for SM there and a link to the document threads.. said read it and weep and left.
  I had to leave , she was saying we don't like dutch?  I said thats not it at all. Could not make her get it. So I hope she reads the links I sent to her.
 It was just weird to be in that chat and have her go off about the case?
 

Angie, good Lord, it just never ends.  I am so sorry about that problem with your vocal cords.  I read that you were having problems, but I thought it was just sinus related.  I hope you are not smoking.  If so, please try to quit.  I know how hard it is, but this will help.  Now, I did not mean to lecture you.  I just want you to take care of yourself.

[Carnut]

Speaking of Vista and IM...is there a fix for Yahoo IM that doesn't work with Vista?  Kid is having fits with hers. You were right Angie.

Hmmm.  When I bought my puter in November, I got a free upgrade for Vista, but have never installed it.  I've been waiting to see if any bugs shake out first.  Then, my son tells me there are puters such as mine that would just barely support vista.  So, I guess I will wait and see.

You should never upgrade an existing system to Vista.

The only way to get Vista is when it comes with a new computer and you have not other choice.

Course, Ubuntu Linux solves the whole problem.

[Tylergal]

Photo of PVDS when he got his "spanking" in front of his peers   :




Looks like his hair is combed forward to cover that balding spot on his left temple.

Paulus has a swope.  I wonder if it flies when he drives with the windows down and if so, does Anita find it sensual.

[Lala'sMom]

Speaking of Vista and IM...is there a fix for Yahoo IM that doesn't work with Vista?  Kid is having fits with hers. You were right Angie.

http://messenger.yahoo.com/windowsvista.php

Coming soon! Enter your email address below and we'll notify you as soon as Yahoo! Messenger for Windows Vista is ready. Note: Our current version 8.1 is compatible with Windows Vista.

Thanks. Just sent her the link.

[Lala'sMom]

Photo of PVDS when he got his "spanking" in front of his peers   :




Looks like his hair is combed forward to cover that balding spot on his left temple.

Paulus has a swope.  I wonder if it flies when he drives with the windows down and if so, does Anita find it sensual.

I bet they warned Paulus this would happen and to just sit there and be quiet.  This meant nothing to him.

[klaasend]

Speaking of Vista and IM...is there a fix for Yahoo IM that doesn't work with Vista?  Kid is having fits with hers. You were right Angie.

http://messenger.yahoo.com/windowsvista.php

Coming soon! Enter your email address below and we'll notify you as soon as Yahoo! Messenger for Windows Vista is ready. Note: Our current version 8.1 is compatible with Windows Vista.

Thanks. Just sent her the link.

What she should do is download version 8.1 then sign up on the email list for their new version that will be only for Vista.  But they are saying 8.1 does work with Vista now.

[Angiex911dsptchr]

I am fine.. upset yes. It s ok. I am a big girl and can handle it.
 Otherwise my butt would have signed off by now  

Angie-you have a heart of gold.  You've always been a good, caring monkey.

 Thanks Muffy Sweety..
 last night I made a bad typo and said night Mussy Bee    

[San]

Photo of PVDS when he got his "spanking" in front of his peers   :




Looks like his hair is combed forward to cover that balding spot on his left temple.

Paulus has a swope.  I wonder if it flies when he drives with the windows down and if so, does Anita find it sensual.

I bet they warned Paulus this would happen and to just sit there and be quiet.  This meant nothing to him.

I agree again.  That's twice tonight

[BTgirl]

Night monkeys.

Sweet dreams everyone.  

[Anna]

Could it be, unlikely as it sounds that it is Paulus who wears the size 14 shoe and Joran the 10.5 as verified by the Dutch interrogators?

Could J2k have been parked at the RacquetClub as witnessed by the gardener while trying to figure out a way to dispose of Natalee in the muck in the pond and that is where Joran lost his shoes?  Is that why the Kalpoe car had to be washed out immediately?

Did they call and were they waiting for Paulus to pick up Joran and Natalee from there instead of at McDonalds?

Anything is possible.

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[Tylergal]

Anna,

You seem to remember most of the details. I was asking about he 4 AM ATM stop earlier today and the only thing I could find out was that it may have been a fabrication that came out of RU. Is that all it was? In other words, there is no proof of an ATM stop at 4 AM?

Ado

I am just reading this and perhaps Anna has already answered by now, but RU was not even up and running at that time and I have never been able to find anything that reconciled the 4 a.m. ATM except what some Arubans who were posting on some boards at the time told us.  Maybe Anna has better information and will post, but that is all I know and I think you and I have posted on the same boards in the past -- no?

[klaasend]

Night monkeys.

Sweet dreams everyone.  

WAIT - did you ever hear more about the 911 operator's husband?

[Angiex911dsptchr]

I am fine.. upset yes. It s ok. I am a big girl and can handle it.
 Otherwise my butt would have signed off by now  

youre tough  

  LOl Robots..
 YES I am..  I can be nice and can be a total bitch if need be.  
I prefer to be NICE.. I  do NOT like to argue with anyone.

[Tylergal]

There is also a rumor that some of the MB guys remember seeing PVDS in the vicinity of MickeyD's at aound 4 AM. That, coupled with the Aruban Supreme Court statement and the possible ATM stop, is beginning to take on some weight of attestation. Coming from 3 sources like that, there might be a ring of truth there.

But it is all still just RUMOR, not proven by any means.

I really don't think it was necessary for PVDS to go anywhere near the beach area that night. I think it all went down near the VDS home.

Yes, I believe that rumor popped up about Mickey D and the MB guys about the time of the walnut salad that Paulus had bought for Natalee that was on the Snoots kitchen table, right?

[klaasend]

Could it be, unlikely as it sounds that it is Paulus who wears the size 14 shoe and Joran the 10.5 as verified by the Dutch interrogators?

Could J2k have been parked at the RacquetClub as witnessed by the gardener while trying to figure out a way to dispose of Natalee in the muck in the pond and that is where Joran lost his shoes?  Is that why the Kalpoe car had to be washed out immediately?

Did they call and were they waiting for Paulus to pick up Joran and Natalee from there instead of at McDonalds?

Anything is possible.

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It's possible, unlikely but possible.

[Tylergal]

Anna,

You seem to remember most of the details. I was asking about he 4 AM ATM stop earlier today and the only thing I could find out was that it may have been a fabrication that came out of RU. Is that all it was? In other words, there is no proof of an ATM stop at 4 AM?

Ado

Ado,
I will try to recall where that rumor came from but it predates RU and also the taking of statements from the MB kids, it was a very early one.  And supposedly not just one withdrawal but two and the ATM near McDonalds at that.

But from the fauxphotoing , we can see that by July, 2005, they were in full decoy form already.  It may be total fabrication but it was out there before any MB kids said they saw him.

Very odd how absolutely NONE of the video cameras seem to have been working that night and there is no video of anything, isn't it?  I'd fire my security firm for that.  Seriously, by the time Beth got around to asking for videos from all the various places, they had already recorded over or their cameras were mysteriously not working that particular night.

I have always found that odd, how many cameras supposedly did not work.  But Paulus banking records should address this question so we have to assume that ALE knows whether this was true or a decoy.

If I can recall where I first heard that, I will post it but know it was pre RU existence and before MB kids statements were taken.  In other words, true or not, it came from Aruba.

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Ah, Anna had already answered, and yes that is my same recollection.

[Anna]

There is also a rumor that some of the MB guys remember seeing PVDS in the vicinity of MickeyD's at aound 4 AM. That, coupled with the Aruban Supreme Court statement and the possible ATM stop, is beginning to take on some weight of attestation. Coming from 3 sources like that, there might be a ring of truth there.

But it is all still just RUMOR, not proven by any means.

I really don't think it was necessary for PVDS to go anywhere near the beach area that night. I think it all went down near the VDS home.

Yes, I believe that rumor popped up about Mickey D and the MB guys about the time of the walnut salad that Paulus had bought for Natalee that was on the Snoots kitchen table, right?

Yep, Waldorf salad.  Had forgotten that as well.

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[BTgirl]

Night monkeys.

Sweet dreams everyone.  

WAIT - did you ever hear more about the 911 operator's husband?

They interviewed the sheriff on TV. He said the husband threatened to commit suicide. The sheriff, the man's sister, and his doctor went to the house - that's what all the hoo ha was about. The husband left with his doctor and that's the last anyone has heard about him. Apparently he said he was depressed because he was fired from his job and also because he says he doesn't know where his wife is.  

[Tylergal]

The powers that be were not chastising Paulus for the sake of decency...it was all done for show.  They know that he holds all the cards still where they are concerned.  He has worked in the secret corners of their judiciary for years.  He knows things about people in the Netherlands as well as Aruba.  No one has a kid that has done the things Joran has done and continues to do without having the "goods" on a lot of people.  An underage boy can not gamble in a casino with a line of credit without the people in power allowing it.  That includes the casino owners and the government.  It goes to the corruption.  

Most people think I believe that the actual demise of Natalee was a complicated thing, but it wasn't.  I have stayed within the simple mindset about her death.  It was the circumstances and subsequent cover up that becomes the problem.  For the truth about what happened to Natalee to come out the world would need to see what other skeletons are buried in Aruba's closets.

Excuse my manners, hello everyone!

I totally agree with everything you have said.