Lively Case Discussion #601 4/15 - 4/17/2007

[San]

Anna,

You seem to remember most of the details. I was asking about he 4 AM ATM stop earlier today and the only thing I could find out was that it may have been a fabrication that came out of RU. Is that all it was? In other words, there is no proof of an ATM stop at 4 AM?

Ado

I am just reading this and perhaps Anna has already answered by now, but RU was not even up and running at that time and I have never been able to find anything that reconciled the 4 a.m. ATM except what some Arubans who were posting on some boards at the time told us.  Maybe Anna has better information and will post, but that is all I know and I think you and I have posted on the same boards in the past -- no?

The only time I heard someone mention the ATM transaction on TV was when Geraldo Rivera was a guest on the show The View.  Geraldo would have to know something to mention it.

[Angiex911dsptchr]

Night monkeys.

Sweet dreams everyone.  

  Darn it. BT..  you leave yet? Any news  that you have heard?
 Easy/Jossy  ?

[Anna]

Strange thing is, McDonalds was supposed to have closed early since it was Sunday night.  Also yet another case of the missing video.

Not one camera working or the ALE did not ask for video tapes pronto as that might constitute real evidence and that is always harder for them to make disappear.

Not much harder, however, just a little bit.

.

[Tylergal]

Angie - did you say this kid is 23?  Unfortunately, he is an adult in the eyes of the law and so are you.  I actually doubt if you called the cops they would do anything.  Don't get me wrong, what he did was really sick, I just don't think there's alot you can do.  If he's still living with his parents, about the only thing you could do is let them know what he's doing from THEIR home.

I am not sure that there aren't laws against using cellphones for transmission of obscene materials. Just like regular phones.

I think that since the Patriot Act and 911, there are boundries and I think our law enforcement keeps an eye out for unsolicited porno.  Do you recall the teacher who was convicted because it was on her computer and it was one of those things that could have happened to any of us.  I have clicked many porn sites since Natalee disappeared, somehing I had never done before, and now I am constantly barraged the garbage as a result.  Yes, I think law enforcement takes a dim view of unsolicited porno, wherever the transmission originated, but to an unsolicited person.

[robots]

I am fine.. upset yes. It s ok. I am a big girl and can handle it.
 Otherwise my butt would have signed off by now  

youre tough  

  LOl Robots..
 YES I am..  I can be nice and can be a total bitch if need be.  
I prefer to be NICE.. I  do NOT like to argue with anyone.

i know wimmmmmmens pretty well  
Meredith Brooks performs a song that can help men figure em out    

most wimmmmmens are cool even when they get a little cranky


youre tough, tough is good
be tough

no sheep allowed  

[BTgirl]

Night monkeys.

Sweet dreams everyone.  

  Darn it. BT..  you leave yet? Any news  that you have heard?
 Easy/Jossy  ?

No news at all Ang. Last night Easy said he had emailed Jossy and was waiting on a reply. I haven't heard from Easy today, so I don't think Jossy has had much to say about the investigators.  

[Angiex911dsptchr]

Anna,

You seem to remember most of the details. I was asking about he 4 AM ATM stop earlier today and the only thing I could find out was that it may have been a fabrication that came out of RU. Is that all it was? In other words, there is no proof of an ATM stop at 4 AM?

Ado

I am just reading this and perhaps Anna has already answered by now, but RU was not even up and running at that time and I have never been able to find anything that reconciled the 4 a.m. ATM except what some Arubans who were posting on some boards at the time told us.  Maybe Anna has better information and will post, but that is all I know and I think you and I have posted on the same boards in the past -- no?

The only time I heard someone mention the ATM transaction on TV was when Geraldo Rivera was a guest on the show The View.  Geraldo would have to know something to mention it.

  San,
  You are right.. cone to think of it. I watched  when Geraldo said  that about the ATM.. and ddin;t he say something then as well about videos?

[Lala'sMom]

Night monkeys.

Sweet dreams everyone.  

Night BT. Smoochies!

[Angiex911dsptchr]

I am fine.. upset yes. It s ok. I am a big girl and can handle it.
 Otherwise my butt would have signed off by now  

youre tough  

  LOl Robots..
 YES I am..  I can be nice and can be a total bitch if need be.  
I prefer to be NICE.. I  do NOT like to argue with anyone.

i know wimmmmmmens pretty well  
Meredith Brooks performs a song that can help men figure em out    

most wimmmmmens are cool even when they get a little cranky


youre tough, tough is good
be tough

no sheep allowed  

     Robots..  
  yes we wimmmmmens get cranky at times  
 I am not skeery. honest.

[Lala'sMom]

Could it be, unlikely as it sounds that it is Paulus who wears the size 14 shoe and Joran the 10.5 as verified by the Dutch interrogators?

Could J2k have been parked at the RacquetClub as witnessed by the gardener while trying to figure out a way to dispose of Natalee in the muck in the pond and that is where Joran lost his shoes?  Is that why the Kalpoe car had to be washed out immediately?

Did they call and were they waiting for Paulus to pick up Joran and Natalee from there instead of at McDonalds?

Anything is possible.

.

I have thought that could be the case.  They had a passed out Natalee and then realized they couldn't wake her up.  She may not have been dead, but was close.  Then when Paulus got there and found out what happened he sent the K2 to clean the car and took Joran and Natalee off.

[Angiex911dsptchr]

Night monkeys.

Sweet dreams everyone.  

  Darn it. BT..  you leave yet? Any news  that you have heard?
 Easy/Jossy  ?

No news at all Ang. Last night Easy said he had emailed Jossy and was waiting on a reply. I haven't heard from Easy today, so I don't think Jossy has had much to say about the investigators.  

 

Thanks  BT..   been checking his site out.. thought maybe you had some scoop     Hope we hear some news soon!

[Tylergal]

I remember reading about the ATM withdrawls as well back at RWV. The rumor was he used the ATM two times I beleave. I always wondered about Fransisco the witness who said he helped bury natalee and was locked up in a mental institute. Art said last week that his friends said he isnt crazy.Several stories came out about that night behind the Mariott involving two others. Either way hitting the ATM after 2.30 AM is suspicious. I certainly dont beleave for a minute that Joran won that much cash from a free tournament of texas hold em.

I never have seen one lick of proof of ATM transactions but we havent seen anything of substance from the investigation except for some bogus internet chat. Even the damn computer was tampered with.

Welcome!  Glad you are here.

Concerning the ATM.  The only mention we have of two trips any place near an ATM was Paulus' two trips to the bank to deposit money.  There is always some smidgen of truth to the lies.

I think this really happened and I think there were Arubans who saw either the deposit slips or video cam from that time and strangely enough that camera was not working by the time we heard of it.  I take "camera not working" chit with a grain of salt.  I think he made the deposits and I think he was caught by deposit slips and the lady who worked at the bank who died recently was the one who was aware of it and perhaps a witness, and Paulus went to the bank (maybe twice) the following day to see her, talk with her, make a deposit.  Why?  Why did he not wait in line for the next teller instead of insisting on seeing her and what did she die from?

[BTgirl]

Night monkeys.

Sweet dreams everyone.  

  Darn it. BT..  you leave yet? Any news  that you have heard?
 Easy/Jossy  ?

No news at all Ang. Last night Easy said he had emailed Jossy and was waiting on a reply. I haven't heard from Easy today, so I don't think Jossy has had much to say about the investigators.  

 

Thanks  BT..   been checking his site out.. thought maybe you had some scoop     Hope we hear some news soon!

I hope we hear something soon too, Angie. Maybe if Jossy does know anything about the investigation he isn't able to talk about it yet.

[Tylergal]

Sorry to keep bringing up questions on items you've probably already covered, but her I come with two more.
How long would it take to drive from the Sloot place to this ATM?
What size shoes does Paulus wear?

Thanks,
Ado  

My understanding is that it is within a mile of the Sloot house and as far as the shoe size, we have been trying to figure that out for a long time, maybe a 10-1/2 or a 14.

[klaasend]

In this photo from Joran's release, look at the size of Anita's foot next to Joran's.  Either Anita has an exceptionally large foot or Joran's isn't a size 14.  Anna - you could be right on!!!

[robots]

I am fine.. upset yes. It s ok. I am a big girl and can handle it.
 Otherwise my butt would have signed off by now  

youre tough  

  LOl Robots..
 YES I am..  I can be nice and can be a total bitch if need be.  
I prefer to be NICE.. I  do NOT like to argue with anyone.

i know wimmmmmmens pretty well  
Meredith Brooks performs a song that can help men figure em out    

most wimmmmmens are cool even when they get a little cranky


youre tough, tough is good
be tough

no sheep allowed  

     Robots..  
  yes we wimmmmmens get cranky at times  
 I am not skeery. honest.

yes, at times  
i dont find you skerrrrrrrrrry at all,  


men and women are just differnet, not any better not any worse
just different
i like it that way, although some organizations try to make us all the same

i wont go off on a rant here... but maybe in another thread sometime
but the cold hard facts are we all need each other and thats the bottom line  

[Anna]

Could it be, unlikely as it sounds that it is Paulus who wears the size 14 shoe and Joran the 10.5 as verified by the Dutch interrogators?

Could J2k have been parked at the RacquetClub as witnessed by the gardener while trying to figure out a way to dispose of Natalee in the muck in the pond and that is where Joran lost his shoes?  Is that why the Kalpoe car had to be washed out immediately?

Did they call and were they waiting for Paulus to pick up Joran and Natalee from there instead of at McDonalds?

Anything is possible.

.

I have thought that could be the case.  They had a passed out Natalee and then realized they couldn't wake her up.  She may not have been dead, but was close.  Then when Paulus got there and found out what happened he sent the K2 to clean the car and took Joran and Natalee off.

 Took her to the Sloot residence.

.

[San]

Anna,

You seem to remember most of the details. I was asking about he 4 AM ATM stop earlier today and the only thing I could find out was that it may have been a fabrication that came out of RU. Is that all it was? In other words, there is no proof of an ATM stop at 4 AM?

Ado

I am just reading this and perhaps Anna has already answered by now, but RU was not even up and running at that time and I have never been able to find anything that reconciled the 4 a.m. ATM except what some Arubans who were posting on some boards at the time told us.  Maybe Anna has better information and will post, but that is all I know and I think you and I have posted on the same boards in the past -- no?

The only time I heard someone mention the ATM transaction on TV was when Geraldo Rivera was a guest on the show The View.  Geraldo would have to know something to mention it.

  San,
  You are right.. cone to think of it. I watched  when Geraldo said  that about the ATM.. and ddin;t he say something then as well about videos?

I don't remember anything about the videos.  I only remember that the board lit up when he mentioned that.  He said he hoped that Paulus would sue him so he could question him in court about the ATM transactions he made that night.

[Angiex911dsptchr]

Night monkeys.

Sweet dreams everyone.  

  Darn it. BT..  you leave yet? Any news  that you have heard?
 Easy/Jossy  ?

No news at all Ang. Last night Easy said he had emailed Jossy and was waiting on a reply. I haven't heard from Easy today, so I don't think Jossy has had much to say about the investigators.  

 

Thanks  BT..   been checking his site out.. thought maybe you had some scoop     Hope we hear some news soon!

I hope we hear something soon too, Angie. Maybe if Jossy does know anything about the investigation he isn't able to talk about it yet.

True BT,,  Thanks.. keep us posted

[robots]

i thought we thought ANITA had sasquatch feet