Lively Case Discussion #601 4/15 - 4/17/2007

[Anna]

I believe the article about the Dutch Interrogator verifying the shoe size as 10.5 appeared in Diario, was one of those first published there.

Klaas may remember exactly but it was very specific and the interrogator measured the foot as well just as ******* said.

I wonder why no more PV statements have been released.

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[msmarple]

Hi, *******,
Do you remember me from RWV? I was Anna there and sometimes IMHO~Anna. We have posted at the same sites for a very long time, no?  


I do remember you..lol..Many people here I recognize from  RWV way back early in this nightmare. Boy did Dan Hate SM!! He went bonkers when the paypal link went up here..

Were you there the night he got the photographs?  The night he went bonkers over Red going to Aruba?  What a self-absorbed small person.

Yes, and went on an anti-TES thing. That's when I stopped reading there. (I had never heard of TES at the time. But Dan's jealousy was palpable.)

[crazybabyborg]

I'm glad you said that Anna. The shoes are such an important component to this case: Joran has said that in so many ways!

I have always wanted to know if anyone measured his foot, and what size it was.

[msmarple]

So - no one is going to explain the Waldorf Salad thingie?  

[klaasend]

O/T

Patti/Klaas? Do you have a "clean" avatar for Patti? If so, could you post it, please? TIA!

[Anna]

What was the name of the bouncer who eviscerated himself in a cave after taking cocaine?   Was he not a big man!

I have never heard this to be the case. Is anyone else aware that Pitbull eviscerated himself? Then who cut of his legs, who cut off his privates, nailed him to a board and then set him on fire?

Typical arubacide.

He was into multitasking?

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[crazybabyborg]

So - no one is going to explain the Waldorf Salad thingie?  

Waldorf Salad? Boy, I've missed something! What's the question?

[Patti]

I remember all the shoe/shoe size discussions.  Shoes are such an issue with this case.  And how is this significant?  What is Joran's REAL shoe size?  I mean, couldn't someone get one of those shoe sizer thingys and measure it?  Is the shoe thing a red herring?  Makes me wonder if he kicked or stamped on Natalee, leaving footprints

Maybe... but what would they have had to compare the imprint with?

Patti, I am sorry to seem graphic, but if she was kicked, it may have left imprints or marks on her body   Even if the shoes he wore that night couldn't be found, it might be possible if Natalee had been recovered early on, the shoe size could be figured out.  Sometimes amazing things can be found.  But then, sometimes folks watch CSI and we all expect forensics and such to be a lot better and faster than it really is in life.

Forensics can go either way, if a body is found with identifable material on it or if an item is found with something identifiable on the item.

Body with shoe material on it or shoe with blood/DNA on them.

Course, no body, no forensics on body.

"When they find the girl, they are going to see all that shit..."

"I will laugh if they find the girl..."

What shit?  DNA, shoe prints, what shit?

I'm not sure if you're asking me... but I think that Joran was trying to
convince Deepak that some drugs may have been the reason for
Natalee's death.  Or that she may have some drugs on her person.
I am not of that opinion, of course, but it sure kept Deepak under his
thumb, telling lies for him.

Lots of things could be shit.... but in my opinion, he was talking about drugs.  Maybe marijauna or cocaine.  But "that shit" could be anything.
But the fact that he doesn't say, exactly, what it is may be because they
are riding in the back of a police van.

Deepak knew what he meant by it and didn't question it... but didn't feel
threatened about it anymore either, IMO>

[klaasend]

[crazybabyborg]

O/T

Patti/Klaas? Do you have a "clean" avatar for Patti? If so, could you post it, please? TIA!

Oh, you are SO good! Thx, Klaas!!!!

[klaasend]

So - no one is going to explain the Waldorf Salad thingie?  

msmarple - I'm lost with the Waldorf Salad too

[sb]

Gonna call it a night. Y'all are posting SOOOOO fast! Been hard to keep up for about a week now with Monkeys posting from everywhere.

[Observer]

I realize no one is talking in Aruba..But I would like to hear from Pitbull's family. They went public because they were unhappy..Then the ALE came out with the suicide/drug overdose theory and we havent heard anything since. Except for the bar that he worked at burned down ..

[Anna]

Hi, *******,
Do you remember me from RWV? I was Anna there and sometimes IMHO~Anna. We have posted at the same sites for a very long time, no?  


I do remember you..lol..Many people here I recognize from  RWV way back early in this nightmare. Boy did Dan Hate SM!! He went bonkers when the paypal link went up here..

Well, for me the real bonkers will always be his writing that front page article claiming that me, Frank and Seedyrum killed Natalee!  He later did a follow up one on me alone, too.  It's sort of funny now but at the time, since I couldn't post anything to defend myself, I really was upset for a bit.  Got over it.  Eventually.  Sort of.  I guess.

 

[Angiex911dsptchr]

What was the name of the bouncer who eviscerated himself in a cave after taking cocaine?   Was he not a big man!

I have never heard this to be the case. Is anyone else aware that Pitbull eviscerated himself? Then who cut of his legs, who cut off his privates, nailed him to a board and then set him on fire?

Typical arubacide.

 

Maybe they had VISTA and their message got f'd up ?

[Tylergal]

So - no one is going to explain the Waldorf Salad thingie?  

I think Anna and I have said all we know about it.  In a post by an Aruban it was just asked about of Paulus and Joran and the poster was supposedly one of the kids who attended school with Joran, and he was not wont to answer questions, but just post things such as that.

I think that is the same one who told us about Joran sleeping in the aisles all day, about having scratches and the teacher taking pictures of them and Joran had the scratches in said picture.

[Tylergal]

What was the name of the bouncer who eviscerated himself in a cave after taking cocaine?   Was he not a big man!

I have never heard this to be the case. Is anyone else aware that Pitbull eviscerated himself? Then who cut of his legs, who cut off his privates, nailed him to a board and then set him on fire?

Typical arubacide.

 

Maybe they had VISTA and their message got f'd up ?

 

[Angiex911dsptchr]

Gonna call it a night. Y'all are posting SOOOOO fast! Been hard to keep up for about a week now with Monkeys posting from everywhere.

 '


 Night SB and sweet dreams

[crazybabyborg]

Gonna call it a night. Y'all are posting SOOOOO fast! Been hard to keep up for about a week now with Monkeys posting from everywhere.

Isn't it GRAND!  
It used to be even faster! Then you had to BEG folks to catch you up!  

Nite sb! Sleep well!

[klaasend]

I believe the article about the Dutch Interrogator verifying the shoe size as 10.5 appeared in Diario, was one of those first published there.

Klaas may remember exactly but it was very specific and the interrogator measured the foot as well just as ******* said.

I wonder why no more PV statements have been released.

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Yes, it was first published in Diario but we have that exact statement now posted here.  Remember when Diario published that we didn't have any of the suspect or witness statements.  I think Getagrip has the translation of that Diario article - I'll go find it.

Yep - scroll down for the article from Diario:

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/