Lively Case Discussion #601 4/15 - 4/17/2007

[klaasend]

What do we know about Oduber's son? Age? Live with Dad or on his own?

I believe Oduber has more than one son.

[Lala'sMom]

Diario editorial 4/16/07 translated by Jossy from Easy's blog (thanks Easy):

A TRAITOR AND HIS ANTI-ARUBAN GOVERNMENT (2)

The truth can hurt when it’s exposed without circumlocution! What could have led the mediocrity of the MEP party to lose their heads in such an ugly manner? Could it be the bribery of 1 million guilders? Is that what made them try to look for any distraction from this most shameful anti-Aruban act known in our history? Is it because Nel Oduber is searching for a way out of the atom-bomb that the Namdar offer exploded in his face, and that has converted Neldar into another victim that “can be bought and sold?"

Gentlemen, go ahead with your attempts to distract the attention from the offered bribery of the most shameful 1 million guilders that exists, and the delivery afterwards of our port to the same foreign group that put that money under the table! Is this or isn’t this the greatest demonstration of anti-Arubanism known until now? Must the Aruban continue on the path of the cross to get his rights, while the foreigners with money can just wave a few bills in their faces to at once get the permits or properties they want? Just consider all the cases that the most anti-Aruban government has lost in court so far! Two great doctors, real Arubans, Lacle and Posner, had to take the path of the cross to get their rights, and even so, are being politically persecuted until this day! Is this, or isn’t this one more demonstration of the most pathetic anti-Arubanism that exists?

Then Henny Eman and Otmar Oduber, another two Arubans with a long history of political persecution coming from the same Government and members of the MEP party, hungry for vengeance, moved by hate and rancor. They too had to suffer years of political persecution, to finally obtain in Court for the truth to conquer the lies, the slanders, the ridiculous accusations, thrown at them by a Government that has characterized itself as mediocre and totally anti-Aruban!

And we could go on and on to fill this whole paper with the long list of politically persecuted Arubans, just because they think different and want the good of their people and their island. To expose the truth in a newspaper, on the radio or on television, has become for the anti-Arubans in power the cause for unbelievable hysterics, a drowning in a glass of water, and an attempt to hide the bribery offer of 1 million guilders with shouts coming from the handful of mediocrities at their disposal. Mister Neldar can turn and turn, trying to find any motive that can help him extract himself, but the 1 million guilders hang over his head like the accusation of a judge.

The day I said that Nel Oduber’s government is anti American too, I came with the proofs to demonstrate it, but I left out a couple very painful for Nel, but since he again lost control over his tongue, here are more proofs: Natalee Holloway (American) and the American girl that his son mistreated and then wanted to rape in his own home! The father, a man from Panama, sent me all the proofs, including clinical reports of physical abuse, and I didn’t publish them for discretion’s sake and for consideration of a person that does not deserve it.

What did Nel’s government do in the case of Natalee? Hide their heads in a hole like ostriches so as not to see the truth of what was happening, try to fire Jan and Karin because they did not belong to the group of political yes-men of his government; put the interest for American tourism money above the value of a human life; try to throw the blame on the family of the girl that disappeared, instead of going all-out against the three suspects who are responsible for the bad name Aruba got in other countries, and rightly so because those in power did not lift one finger to defend the victim, but went all out behind the curtain to make the family responsible for the negative image Aruba got, and not against the three suspects in whose company the girl disappeared. She too is an American!

Then his unbelievably stupid anti-American statements; the case of his own son who tried to rape an American girl in his own home! Now there is another American arrested because he pulled a gun against a person that attacked his wife, then committed destruction against her property. A government that has characterized itself as an Anti-American one with unquestionable concrete proofs.

But, the worst is that this government is principally an Anti-Aruban one that obliges the sons of this island that do not belong to the privileged few of the MEP, to go through a truly torturous process to find their rights! For the foreigner with money? Everything! All they have to do is…let everyone complete the sentence for himself or herself, considering the bribery offer. And for the poor foreigners who come to Aruba with his or her work specialization, another road of the cross! A merciless persecution; an extraction of the little money that they have or can borrow, to obtain the papers for a permit that often never comes! Another inhuman persecution of those that did not come to commit acts against the law (like those that many of the delinquents around Nel did commit, some with judge’s sentences hanging over their heads!), but who came to Aruba to look for a better life and to contribute to our labor market with their talents and know-hows!

Nel Oduber has become a synonym for political persecution, for implacable hatred, for “can be bought and sold”, of 1 million guilders offered to a traitor willing to deliver our port in the hands of foreigners! This is a handing-over of the worst kind, of a dictatorial attitude never before seen on an island that always held its impeccable democracy in front of the eyes of the world for it to understand that in Aruba the empire of the Law is in command. We can no longer say that! Now our island has become, in the hands of Nel Oduber and his anti Aruban and anti-American government, an island of the abuse of power, of nepotism, of favors to the small group of privileged MEP fanatics, and political persecution against the rest of the population that do not subject themselves to his amens!

Everyone that has ever doubted what is going on in Aruba should read this and read it carefully.  The answer to why the Sloots received a pass is in this article.  We should also note the exception of Van der Straaten and Janssen in involvement.  Jossy has always maintained that they had their hands tied.  He must know things I don't for I find it hard to clear van der Straaten and Janssen as of yet. Maybe they were out numbered as in the case of the strife between Janssen and her boss.  Jossy has maintained that van der Straaten is one of the good guys.  However that does not release him in complicity of a cover up.  It does help explain his removal and sudden return amid the chaos that was taking place in Aruba.  The power struggle is enormous there and it is any wonder that we know anything about what has happened.

[klaasend]

NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

Aruba: Blue Skies, White Sandy Beaches and Human Traffickers … Oh My

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2007/04/16/aruba-blue-skies-white-sandy-beaches-and-human-traffickers-oh-my/

[BTgirl]

Hi monkeys. It's Lean Cuisine time here where I am.

I've had a couple of emails from Easy this morning that I wanted to share. First of all, regarding the attempted rape by Oduber's son, Easy thinks this was of someone Oduber Jr. had been living with one, not a casual tourist. When the woman attempted to break up with him, young Oduber attempted to rape her. Easy said he'll look back through his information when he gets a chance in order to confirm that.

Also, Easy wanted me to ask if anyone knows of someone in Utrecht, Netherlands who might be an Aruban native. He has a strange comment on his blog that he's trying to figure out.

TY

[friend of monkeys]

TY KLASS for bringing over the translation......
Jossy rocked a few peoples world today,
ya think
???

[nonesuche]

FOM I agree, he did and how did Oduber and the MEP get re-elected ? the island is small enough internally to make me wonder how he twists arms or does he just fool the voters who aren't in power and therefore know little?

BT, I was at easy's blog last night but didn't notice a strange comment - I appreciate him sharing the info on Oduber Jr too. I hope Jossy can find a way to publish the evidence.

[BTgirl]

FOM I agree, he did and how did Oduber and the MEP get re-elected ? the island is small enough internally to make me wonder how he twists arms or does he just fool the voters who aren't in power and therefore know little?

BT, I was at easy's blog last night but didn't notice a strange comment - I appreciate him sharing the info on Oduber Jr too. I hope Jossy can find a way to publish the evidence.

None - I think the comment was one that just came in. He always reads them before he posts them, and I don't think he's posted the "strange" one yet.

[nonesuche]

ok BT I wasn't questioning him having such a comment at all, I hope he can make some sense of it.

what flavor lean cuisine? I just had a cookie, my bad?  

[BTgirl]

ok BT I wasn't questioning him having such a comment at all, I hope he can make some sense of it.

what flavor lean cuisine? I just had a cookie, my bad?  

Pepperoni pizza - it actually wasn't too bad for something that's supposed to be relatively healthy.    (And I wish I'd had one of those cookies to go with it.   )

[nonesuche]

I like pepperoni and I should eat more lean cuisines, it was a good cookie and I promise to share next time !

[klaasend]

Hi monkeys. It's Lean Cuisine time here where I am.

I've had a couple of emails from Easy this morning that I wanted to share. First of all, regarding the attempted rape by Oduber's son, Easy thinks this was of someone Oduber Jr. had been living with one, not a casual tourist. When the woman attempted to break up with him, young Oduber attempted to rape her. Easy said he'll look back through his information when he gets a chance in order to confirm that.

Also, Easy wanted me to ask if anyone knows of someone in Utrecht, Netherlands who might be an Aruban native. He has a strange comment on his blog that he's trying to figure out.
TY

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/05/21/world/main1638431.shtml

Guido Wever maybe?

(snipped)
Suspect In Holloway Case Released

AMSTERDAM, Netherlands, May 23, 2006
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
(CBS/AP) A man arrested in the disappearance of an American teenager on the Dutch Caribbean island of Aruba was released from custody Tuesday, a court official said.

The release of the suspect, who CBS News has reported is Guido Wever, means he will not be transferred to Aruba, said the court official, Martine de Bruijn. His lawyer, Gerard Sprong, told Dutch television there was not enough evidence to hold his client.

A spokesman for the Dutch national prosecutor's office declined to comment, saying the case was in the hands of the Aruban public prosecutor.

The suspect was arrested last Wednesday in the town of Utrecht. He was a croupier at the casino in the Holiday Inn hotel where American Natalee Holloway was staying when she disappeared a year ago during a high school graduation trip to Aruba.
(snipped)

[BTgirl]

I like pepperoni and I should eat more lean cuisines, it was a good cookie and I promise to share next time !

The cookie you share will be calorie free won't it?  

I'm STILL trying to lose those same pounds I've been trying to lose for a year.  

[BTgirl]

Hi monkeys. It's Lean Cuisine time here where I am.

I've had a couple of emails from Easy this morning that I wanted to share. First of all, regarding the attempted rape by Oduber's son, Easy thinks this was of someone Oduber Jr. had been living with one, not a casual tourist. When the woman attempted to break up with him, young Oduber attempted to rape her. Easy said he'll look back through his information when he gets a chance in order to confirm that.

Also, Easy wanted me to ask if anyone knows of someone in Utrecht, Netherlands who might be an Aruban native. He has a strange comment on his blog that he's trying to figure out.
TY

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/05/21/world/main1638431.shtml

Guido Wever maybe?

(snipped)
Suspect In Holloway Case Released

AMSTERDAM, Netherlands, May 23, 2006
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
(CBS/AP) A man arrested in the disappearance of an American teenager on the Dutch Caribbean island of Aruba was released from custody Tuesday, a court official said.

The release of the suspect, who CBS News has reported is Guido Wever, means he will not be transferred to Aruba, said the court official, Martine de Bruijn. His lawyer, Gerard Sprong, told Dutch television there was not enough evidence to hold his client.

A spokesman for the Dutch national prosecutor's office declined to comment, saying the case was in the hands of the Aruban public prosecutor.

The suspect was arrested last Wednesday in the town of Utrecht. He was a croupier at the casino in the Holiday Inn hotel where American Natalee Holloway was staying when she disappeared a year ago during a high school graduation trip to Aruba.
(snipped)

TY Klaas. I'll Easy know that Guido might be a possibility.

[klaasend]

BTgirl - or his attorney  

[nonesuche]

gosh Klaas is there anything you don't know? guido, gosh I never would have remembered that !

BT I should find some sugar & fat free recipes but fear I've been lazy about that. I saw a bakery owner on Martha that has all fat/sugar free cakes and cupcakes and muffins and brownies so obviously there is a market for it.

[BTgirl]

gosh Klaas is there anything you don't know? guido, gosh I never would have remembered that !

BT I should find some sugar & fat free recipes but fear I've been lazy about that. I saw a bakery owner on Martha that has all fat/sugar free cakes and cupcakes and muffins and brownies so obviously there is a market for it.

Fat-free and sugar-free would be healthy, but not necessarily good.

Stick to the yummy stuff that gives us all a reason to get up in the morning.  

The Lean Cuisine break is over for me. Gotta get back to emplyee evaluations.    Talk to you later.

[Dayhiker]

Everyone that has ever doubted what is going on in Aruba should read this and read it carefully.  The answer to why the Sloots received a pass is in this article.  We should also note the exception of Van der Straaten and Janssen in involvement.  Jossy has always maintained that they had their hands tied.  He must know things I don't for I find it hard to clear van der Straaten and Janssen as of yet. Maybe they were out numbered as in the case of the strife between Janssen and her boss.  Jossy has maintained that van der Straaten is one of the good guys.  However that does not release him in complicity of a cover up.  It does help explain his removal and sudden return amid the chaos that was taking place in Aruba.  The power struggle is enormous there and it is any wonder that we know anything about what has happened.

Right on Lalas, here's where the expanded government cover-up comes in. Oduber's power buds including AHATA, Strategic Task Force, Renfro's ArubaToday gang, American mercenaries Pauley, Cohen and Dilella. All conspired to blame the victim to keep Paulus Van Der Sloot from dropping a dime on them and their MEP cronies. Incredible article by Jossy.


What did Nel’s government do in the case of Natalee? Hide their heads in a hole like ostriches so as not to see the truth of what was happening, try to fire Jan and Karin because they did not belong to the group of political yes-men of his government; put the interest for American tourism money above the value of a human life; try to throw the blame on the family of the girl that disappeared, instead of going all-out against the three suspects who are responsible for the bad name Aruba got in other countries, and rightly so because those in power did not lift one finger to defend the victim, but went all out behind the curtain to make the family responsible for the negative image Aruba got, and not against the three suspects in whose company the girl disappeared. She too is an American!

[San]

O/T - AT LEAST 1 DEAD, 17 WOUNDED IN TWO SHOOTINGS ON VIRGINIA TECH CAMPUS; 1 SUSPECT IN CUSTODY

**Watch FOX News Channel or go to http://foxnews.com for more

[San]

BTgirl - or his attorney  

Oh yes his attorney and everyone must be afraid of the idiot because he will come after us.

[klaasend]

O/T - AT LEAST 1 DEAD, 17 WOUNDED IN TWO SHOOTINGS ON VIRGINIA TECH CAMPUS; 1 SUSPECT IN CUSTODY

**Watch FOX News Channel or go to http://foxnews.com for more

They are saying now 20 dead