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« Reply #280 on: September 12, 2011, 03:18:43 PM »

The article names the court that is involved; explains the 15-day process; and gives the names of the judges.

http://www.aeronoticias.com.pe/noticiero/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=20127:sala-deja-al-voto-pedido-de-parte-civil-en-caso-van-der-sloot&catid=49:49

Hall leaves the voting order as a civil party "Van Der Sloot case."
Monday, September 12, 2011 11:45 Plana journalism.

(Aeronoticias) .- The College "B" of the Third Criminal Chamber Jail Inmates at the Court of Lima, left to vote the request in the oral report of the civil party lawyer. The referee has a period of 15 days to issue its decision on that will decide whether to return or not, the Attorney General Opinion Attorney for reformulation.

If the school decides not to return to the opinion of the Attorney General Attorney in the coming days will announce the date and place where it began the trial against Joran Van Der Sloot, charged according to the opinion of the crimes of homicide and simple theft to the detriment of Stephany Flores Ramirez.

The top judges to rule on issue resolution as requested by the defense of Ricardo Flores Chipoco, father of the injured Stephany Flores, who asked the prosecution to be returned to reformulate and also argued in its allegations imposed the maximum sentence the defendant Joran Van Der Sloot.

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The school "B" of the Third Criminal Court for Defendants Jail, is chaired by Dr. Flor de Maria Poma Valdivieso, and integrated by Superior Court Judge Martha Vargas Martha Otilia Gonzales and Pilar Luisa Vilchez Carbonel.


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« Reply #281 on: September 12, 2011, 03:43:12 PM »

Both Natalee Holloway and Stephany Flores families are determined advocates ... determined advocates that the respective Aruban/Dutch and Peruvian justice systems are forced to acknowledge.

Janet

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Attorney's request could delay murder trial against van der SlootBy the CNN Wire Staff
September 12, 2011 -- Updated 1825 GMT (0225 HKT)


(CNN) -- The murder trial against Joran van der Sloot could be delayed if a three-judge panel honors a request from the victim's family to have his indictment sent back to the prosecutor's office, the Lima, Peru, Superior Court said Monday.

Edward Alvarez Yrala, the attorney for the family of Stephany Flores, told a three-judge panel that the indictment against van der Sloot had "mistakes," a news release from the court said.
 
It did not specify what mistakes Yrala referred to in his arguments.

The panel has 15 days to decide on Yrala's request. If a decision is made not to return the indictment to the prosecutor's office, a date will be set for van der Sloot to stand trial on murder and theft charges, the court said.

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Prosecutors are asking for a 30-year prison sentence for van der Sloot and a restitution payment of $73,000 to the victim's family.

At Monday's hearing, the Flores family attorney also requested that van der Sloot face the maximum penalty if convicted.

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http://edition.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/09/12/peru.van.der.sloot/

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« Reply #282 on: September 12, 2011, 06:03:38 PM »

Thanks grace-land!   
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #283 on: September 12, 2011, 06:12:41 PM »

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Motive-still-the-linchpin-of-van-der-Sloot-murder/CZlyj162mEqjGxLGmXj9ng.cspx

Motive still the linchpin of van der Sloot murder case (UPDATED)
September 12, 2011 - 4:47 PM

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Fifteen months after Stephany Flores' corpse was found in Joran van der Sloot's Lima hotel room the biggest question is not who killed her, but why.

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But investigators claim their examination of van der Sloot's computer shows the Holloway info was accessed the day before Flores was killed.

The prosecution theory is murder in the course of a robbery and they're asking for a thirty year sentence. But the Flores family still wants different charges that would result in life imprisonment. Peru does not have the death penalty

Edward Alvarez, the Flores family attorney, wants the charges changed. He told the Lima newspaper El Commercio "it is a possibility that the offense might change."

Under Peruvian law, there are fifteen days to amend the charge or begin the trial.

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"Van der Sloot was hungry, Van der Sloot hadn't paid the hotel, Van der Sloot met a girl in the casino that he did not find attractive, but that had money. If you accept this evidence which is sustained by the prosecution we start to realize the murder of Stephany Flores was not a sudden reaction to her seeing information on his laptop pertaining to the Natalee Holloway case, we are warning that the prosecution's account shows this was a planned act," the Flores family lawyer, Edward Alvarez said.

Alvarez said there were also some discrepancies with the evidence presented in the case and the official charges of voluntary manslaughter.

"We have said there are inconsistencies in the prosecution's account and its accusations, between the evidence it uses and what it is asking for. These inconsistencies could bring about negative consequences at trial because it could result in a mistrial," Alvarez said.

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« Reply #284 on: September 12, 2011, 06:27:01 PM »

Thanks grace-land!   

YW, texasmom.  Hmmmm..... We have to wait 15 days for the judges to accept or reject the prosecution's charges.
I stand with the family--whatever they want!   
 
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« Reply #285 on: September 12, 2011, 06:34:45 PM »

http://www.mpfn.gob.pe/distrito_judicial/cuadro_informacion.php?dj=lima

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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #286 on: September 12, 2011, 06:45:03 PM »

Thanks Grace

The last paragraph of your posting relieves my concern that a delayed trial could result in the Stephany Flores case being dismissed.

The 6 1/2 year roller coast ride that we have been riding in regards to Joran van der Sloot is ongoing.

Janet

YW, Janet.

Stephany's family is determined to use the full extent of the law to bring justice for their beloved daughter.  I'm sure that they are receiving very good legal advice.   It might be that Joran's luck is running out?

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« Reply #287 on: September 12, 2011, 07:00:43 PM »

Could it be that the Prosecutor did not comprehend that an investigation determined that Stephany was not on Joran's laptop as he claimed in his confession that supported the rage/passion defence?  Could this be the issue that attorney for Stephany's family is contesting.

Again ... I am thankful for advocates akin to Beth Holloway and Ricardo Flores who will challenge justice systems in their pursuit for justice.

Janet

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Peruvian judges to decide on trial date for Van der Sloot
Published on September 12, 2011


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His (Joran) defence team is looking to lodge a manslaughter plea which comes with a six to 20 year prison sentence. It says Flores' murder was an act of passion after she allegedly discovered information related to the Holloway case on his laptop.

But prosecutors and Flores' family are seeking a 30-year sentence, arguing the murder and robbing of the young woman was premeditated.

"Van der Sloot was hungry, Van der Sloot hadn't paid the hotel, Van der Sloot met a girl in the casino that he did not find attractive, but that had money. If you accept this evidence which is sustained by the prosecution we start to realize the murder of Stephany Flores was not a sudden reaction to her seeing information on his laptop pertaining to the Natalee Holloway case, we are warning that the prosecution's account shows this was a planned act," the Flores family lawyer, Edward Alvarez said.

Alvarez said there were also some discrepancies with the evidence presented in the case and the official charges of voluntary manslaughter.

"We have said there are inconsistencies in the prosecution's account and its accusations, between the evidence it uses and what it is asking for. These inconsistencies could bring about negative consequences at trial because it could result in a mistrial," Alvarez said.


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http://www.ntn24.com/news/news/peruvian-judges-decide-trial-date-van-der-sloot


Van der Sloot looking at 30 years
August 27, 2011


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He (Joran) is claiming he killed Flores in a fit of rage after she found material relating to Natalee on his laptop.

Peruvian authorities say the real reason for the killing was robbery and that an examination of the laptop shows Stephany was killed well after the Holloway-related material was accessed.

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http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Van-der-Sloot-looking-at-30-years/Lzvpiriv402NkH7b49Qh8w.cspx
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« Reply #288 on: September 12, 2011, 07:14:07 PM »

Thanks Grace

The last paragraph of your posting relieves my concern that a delayed trial could result in the Stephany Flores case being dismissed.

The 6 1/2 year roller coast ride that we have been riding in regards to Joran van der Sloot is ongoing.

Janet

YW, Janet.

Stephany's family is determined to use the full extent of the law to bring justice for their beloved daughter.  I'm sure that they are receiving very good legal advice.   It might be that Joran's luck is running out?

jmo

 

Time and time again ... I have made a promise to myself not get on that roller coaster ride of hope and dispair again.  In other words ... the outcome will be what the outcome will be.  Time and time again ... I have broken that promise.
 
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« Reply #289 on: September 12, 2011, 07:31:29 PM »

http://www.elsevier.nl/web/Nieuws/Nederland/316321/Advocaat-Joran-van-der-Sloot-moet-levenslang-krijgen.htm?rss=true

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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #290 on: September 12, 2011, 07:43:39 PM »

IMO, He does look like him...

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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #291 on: September 12, 2011, 10:26:00 PM »

IMO, He does look like him...

http://twitter.com/#!/MammothBlood

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This kid has nice eyes.  Sloot has evil eyes.

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« Reply #292 on: September 12, 2011, 10:34:52 PM »

IMO, He does look like him...

http://twitter.com/#!/MammothBlood

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This kid has nice eyes.  Sloot has evil eyes.




I agree.   
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« Reply #293 on: September 12, 2011, 11:07:57 PM »

That's not the picture I used for comparison.    Monkey Devil!

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I agree if you just look at his eyes, he has pretty blue eyes...nothing like Joran's.

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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #294 on: September 12, 2011, 11:13:08 PM »

Lawyer: Van der Sloot may admit simple homicide, fight graver charges
By the CNN Wire Staff
September 12, 2011 -- Updated 2343 GMT (0743 HKT


(CNN) -- Joran van der Sloot is willing to confess to a "simple homicide" charge in relation to the May 2010 death of a woman in Peru, but not to more serious charges that would carry longer prison terms, his lawyer said Monday.

Meanwhile, the victim's family asked a three-judge panel for a more stringent charge that could have the 24-year-old Dutch national's indictment sent back to the prosecutor's office -- a move that could prompt a delay in his trial, if the court assents -- the Lima, Peru, Superior Court said Monday.

Both the accused and the victim's family disagree with the indictment proposed by prosecutor Miriam Riveros Castellares. She is asking the panel to indict Van der Sloot on charges of qualified murder and simple robbery, which carry 28-year and 2-year sentences. He would also make a restitution payment of $73,000 to the victim's family.

Attorney Luis Jiminez Navarro and his client, Van der Sloot, did not attend the hearing due to what Navarro described as the massive media interest in the case. But the lawyer did submit his response to a proposed indictment in writing, asking for a simple homicide charge that could carry a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison.

He said, too, that his client would confess to this charge.

But the attorney for the family of the victim, Stephany Flores, told the three judges that the prosecutor's proposed indictment against Van der Sloot had "mistakes," a news release from the court said.

It did not specify what mistakes Edward Alvarez Yrala referred to in his arguments.

According to Navarro, Yrala asked the court to charge Van der Sloot with a charge akin to aggravated murder, which carries a maximum sentence of life in prison.

The panel has 15 days to decide on Yrala's request for a new indictment. If a decision is made not to return the indictment to the prosecutor's office, a date will be set for Van der Sloot to stand trial on murder and theft charges, the court said.

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http://edition.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/09/12/peru.van.der.sloot/


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« Reply #295 on: September 13, 2011, 02:20:18 PM »

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"Jose Baez has been retained by the family of 50 year old Gary Giordano, the principal suspect in the disappearance of 35 year old Maryland native, Robyn Gardner, who went missing in Aruba. Baez and an investigator are in the Caribbean Island right now interviewing witnesses and probing relevant locations. Giordano is being held without bail by Aruban authorities, as they attempt to find evidence sufficient to charge him with Gardner's death."
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« Reply #296 on: September 13, 2011, 02:45:07 PM »

https://www.facebook.com/GeraldoRivera
Geraldo Rivera
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"Jose Baez has been retained by the family of 50 year old Gary Giordano, the principal suspect in the disappearance of 35 year old Maryland native, Robyn Gardner, who went missing in Aruba. Baez and an investigator are in the Caribbean Island right now interviewing witnesses and probing relevant locations. Giordano is being held without bail by Aruban authorities, as they attempt to find evidence sufficient to charge him with Gardner's death."
-Geraldo

Speaks volumes IMO.   

Baez is to Giordano as Tacopina was to Van der Sloot

POS to twist the facts, imo

Wouldn't hurt my feelings at all if JB vanished while he's there...but we couldn't be that lucky.

What standing if any would JB have in the Aruban courts?

Or are they already planning on a defense strategy in the US courts?

 

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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #297 on: September 13, 2011, 02:57:09 PM »

https://www.facebook.com/GeraldoRivera
Geraldo Rivera
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"Jose Baez has been retained by the family of 50 year old Gary Giordano, the principal suspect in the disappearance of 35 year old Maryland native, Robyn Gardner, who went missing in Aruba. Baez and an investigator are in the Caribbean Island right now interviewing witnesses and probing relevant locations. Giordano is being held without bail by Aruban authorities, as they attempt to find evidence sufficient to charge him with Gardner's death."
-Geraldo

Speaks volumes IMO.   

Baez is to Giordano as Tacopina was to Van der Sloot

POS to twist the facts, imo

Wouldn't hurt my feelings at all if JB vanished while he's there...but we couldn't be that lucky.

What standing if any would JB have in the Aruban courts?

Or are they already planning on a defense strategy in the US courts?

 



Baez simply wants a free trip to Aruba.  He'd fit right in.
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« Reply #298 on: September 13, 2011, 03:39:06 PM »

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« Reply #299 on: September 13, 2011, 03:43:02 PM »

https://www.facebook.com/GeraldoRivera
Geraldo Rivera
‎*Geraldo Exclusive*
"Jose Baez has been retained by the family of 50 year old Gary Giordano, the principal suspect in the disappearance of 35 year old Maryland native, Robyn Gardner, who went missing in Aruba. Baez and an investigator are in the Caribbean Island right now interviewing witnesses and probing relevant locations. Giordano is being held without bail by Aruban authorities, as they attempt to find evidence sufficient to charge him with Gardner's death."
-Geraldo

Speaks volumes IMO.   

Baez is to Giordano as Tacopina was to Van der Sloot

POS to twist the facts, imo

Wouldn't hurt my feelings at all if JB vanished while he's there...but we couldn't be that lucky.

What standing if any would JB have in the Aruban courts?

Or are they already planning on a defense strategy in the US courts?

 



Baez simply wants a free trip to Aruba.  He'd fit right in.

I wonder if he took Casey for a romantic side-trip (uhhh paralegal). 

Can you blame his family?  Baez can get a known murderer off, this is cake to him, AND a free Carribean vacation.  Even though they use Dutch law, since it's close to South America and he's hispanic, he probably thinks there is no difference. 

Lawd!  Now were going to see his ugly mug all over the news again!     
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