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« Reply #680 on: September 28, 2011, 02:53:26 PM »

http://www.awe24.com/20110928/8559/Homber_a_pone_fin_na_su_bida_den_un_Jeep_na_e_Tanki_di_Alto_Vista

Papiamentu translation:

man owing to place end at his life in one jeep at the tanki of alto vista

1 hora happen come across, 28 of september 2011 13:18

diaranzon afternoon owing to enter informe of cu one person will owing to place end at his life on the tanki of alto vista, at once owing to dirigi one patrol at the sitio. at arrival of the patrol they owing to constata cu enberdad a will owing to place end at his life in one jeep. we will follow informa..... cu all imagennan


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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #681 on: September 28, 2011, 08:46:09 PM »

The translation doesn't help much. 

The man was found by a tourist couple, and they called police.  I think it says he tried to cut his wrist, and then hung himself.

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http://www.awe24.com/20110928/8559/Homber_a_pone_fin_na_su_bida_den_un_Toyota_Rav4_na_e_Tanki_di_Alto_Vista

Papiamentu translation:

man owing to place end at his life in one toyota rav4 at the tanki of alto vista

7 hora happen come across, 28 of september 2011 13:18

diaranzon afternoon owing to enter informe of cu one person will owing to place end at his life on the tanki of alto vista, at once owing to dirigi one patrol at the sitio. at arrival of the patrol they owing to compronde cu one pareha tourist owing to come come across cu the curpa in one posicion raro y owing to beat alarma. police owing to ripara cu enberdad one man will owing to place end at his life in the toyota rav4 color zilver a53599. he owing to try clip his pols using slang stick at muffler y finalmente ela mara one cabuya at his nek y at the sienta of car open the door y colga afor. is deal here of louisito dominico koolman naci at aruba 11 of july 1964 y was live at palm beach 76. at once owing to avisa all autoridad competente of the caso lamentable here. we is extende words of condolencia at famianan of the fayecido.

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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #682 on: September 28, 2011, 08:51:01 PM »

Sure seems like a lot of suicides in Aruba for a place some Arubans would like to portray as paradise. 
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« Reply #683 on: September 28, 2011, 09:14:54 PM »

Sure seems like a lot of suicides in Aruba for a place some Arubans would like to portray as paradise. 

Yes there are a lot of suicides, just goes to show that there's got to be more to justify calling a place paradise than good weather.  jmo

   
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #684 on: September 28, 2011, 10:40:36 PM »



"Even if it's a one in a million chance, she wants to always have that sliver of hope," said Beth Holloway's attorney, John Q. Kelly, after a court hearing today over the contentious petition.

"She doesn't want to be in the position where Natalee could show up one day and ask, 'Why did you give up on me?'" he said.

 
John Q. Kelly, September 23, 2011

http://abcnews.go.com/US/natalee-holloways-mom-clings-hope-daughter-alive/story?id=14591709


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Page 219: I have to make difficult choices every day.  I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me.  It's not easy.  I ask God to help me.
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« Reply #685 on: September 28, 2011, 10:41:11 PM »

Courage To Change The Things We Can

God grant us the serenity to accept the things we cannot change, courage to change the things we can, and wisdom to know the difference.

Angie Lewis

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THERE IS SOMETHING I CAN DO

A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway


Page 200:  My child. My beautiful daughter. I can’t save her. It’s too late. Natalee is gone. And second to the great tragedy of losing her is if we fail to learn from what has happened.  I could be any parent in the world. And no parent should ever go through this experience. Natalee could be anyone’s daughter. And in these thoughts a new path is made clear. There is something I can do. Many people reached out to us, and I can now reach back to them. It might be too late to save Natalee, but it’s not too late to save others. And it’s time now to make good on my pledge to stand before high-school and college students, law enforcement professionals, victims’ rights groups, travelers of all ages, and anyone interested in personal safety to share Natalee’s story and our hard lessons, so that others might learn from them.


MY FOCUS

Natalee Holloway: Lost in Paradise
TLC – 2010-01-17


BETH HOLLOWAY: What I can do is hopefully share some life lessons and prevent this tragedy from happening to another family.  I stay focused on what I can do rather than what I cannot.  I cannot get justice for Natalee.

http://tlc.discovery.com/tv-schedules/special.html?paid=2.1213.56293

 


Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC

Mayday 360
http://www.mayday360.com/default.aspx


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Page 219: I have to make difficult choices every day.  I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me.  It's not easy.  I ask God to help me.
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« Reply #686 on: September 29, 2011, 12:19:42 AM »

http://issuu.com/themorningnews/docs/september_28__2011

The Morning News
September 28, 2011

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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #687 on: September 29, 2011, 12:29:09 AM »

http://www.rijksoverheid.nl/documenten-en-publicaties/rapporten/2011/09/26/rapport-de-staat-van-bestuur-van-aruba.html
(5 pages)

http://www.rijksoverheid.nl/bestanden/documenten-en-publicaties/rapporten/2011/09/26/rapport-de-staat-van-bestuur-van-aruba/110830-ob297-definitief-rapport.pdf
(338 pages)
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #688 on: September 29, 2011, 01:26:27 AM »

It will take a while to translate and read the report, this is part that I thought some might be interested in.  Sorry I didn't take the time to make it more presentable. 

http://www.rijksoverheid.nl/bestanden/documenten-en-publicaties/rapporten/2011/09/26/rapport-de-staat-van-bestuur-van-aruba/110830-ob297-definitief-rapport.pdf

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Pages 235-240

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9.1 Crime in Aruba

In 2007, the Public Aruba a mapping of the crime situation
In the years 2002-2006, the criminality analysis Aruba 2007. We
Using the "CBA" here to describe the crime situation and fill
where necessary and possible with recent data.678 The figures in the CBA
and our additions are mainly based on records of the KPA and
The annual reports of the OM (see Table 14).

Table 14 Registered and solved crimes in Aruba, 2002-2008
Year Registered crime clear-up rate of solved cases
2002 6.412 975 15%
2003 4.236 757 18%
2004 5.933 661 11%
2005 5.511 900 16%
2006 5.643 * *
2007 6.277 * *
2008 5.690 * *
* No figures available.
Source: Annual Reports for 2006-2008 and OM Aruba KPA (2007)

The figures fluctuated annually. Four-fifths of the declarations were qualified
theft. The figures in the CBA, the authors were not
complete, because not all districts provided data
. Or the clear-up rate
high or low, for example compared to other countries,
does not establish stellen.679 The dark number of unknown
Crime may be high, especially since the theft-reporting
would be low. The nature of the crime is not changed through the years
substantially, at least, if we assume the offenses for which suspects
were registered with the PPS (see Table 15).

236 The state government of Aruba

Table 15 Registered suspects to crime, 2003-2009
Registered 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009
Qualified theft (Penal Code 324) 323 328 298 312 344 370 480
Drug crime, hard drugs (3 LVM) 247 270 191 162 230 215 171
Driving without a valid license (LWV 10) 348,145,210 89,247,303,265
Threat (Penal Code 298) 82,112 76,103 98,111,117
Structure Healing (431 penal code) 132 128 * * * 163 85
Drunk driving (5 LWV) * 84140136178 *
Forgery (Penal Code 230) 110 92 * * * 112 *
Vandalism (Penal Code 366) 66 * 50 70 78 * 81
Overt violence (Penal Code 147) * 91 * 51 60 * 87
Theft (Penal Code 323) 78 93 63 * * * *
Scam (339 penal code) 52 * * * * * *
Robbery (Penal Code 325) 52 83 49 * 83 * 107
Drug offenses, soft drugs (4 LVM) * * 76 47 78 75 84
Travel document forgery (Penal Code 236) * 54 * * * * *
Firearm possession (3 VWV) * * 53 * 85 86 *
Bribery officer (Penal Code 183) * * * * 92 94 *
Assault (Penal Code 313-317) * 102 121 101 117 242 155
* Data not available in source.
Source: Annual Reports for 2003-2009 OM

In terms of the number of suspects from 2006 registered an increase
to see that because of the number of aggravated theft and theft
violence were registered, but we do not know whether that is a
increase in the prevalence of the offense or to more stringent approach. For
the crime of bribery, Table 15 only figures for the years 2007 and 2008.
The CBA in 2007 showed that the number of homicides in the year in Aruba
2002-2006 increased from four to seven, the final "liquidation" (settlement in
the criminal) took place in 2001. Relatively speaking, the number of
about five homicides a year, with about 100,000 inhabitants, far
below the regional average. For the Caribbean the figure is
30 cases of homicide per 100,000 inhabitants and for Latin
America 26, the Aruban were below or near the North American
figure of seven, but above the Western and Central Europe, which
two ligt.680

Despite so, especially in regional perspective, very small number
homicide, Aruba in 2005 attracted international attention with a case
particularly in the United States and the Netherlands, the disappearance in the night
on May 30 of that year of American tourist Natalee Holloway. Police
Justice and succeeded, despite large-scale deployment, not missing or
her remains found and the evidence against prime suspect
was not around. In September 2006, at the request of the Aruban Netherlands
Attorney leading the investigation itself, but this (Page 238)
not brought the case to a oplossing.681 The suspect came from early 2008
back frequently in the media with statements about the matter, which together
were in conflict, but always some response from the authorities
asked.682 The international media attention and made the Holloway
an atypical case for Aruba issue. In our research we
therefore not elaborate on this.

In the 2007 CBA were defined as acting in integrity violations
contrary to the prevailing moral values ​​and standards and related
rules by persons with voorbeeldfunctie.683 The EAA is responsible for
investigations of the entire government organization and the Internal Bureau
Business and Research (BIZO) of the KPA with only the integrity violations
within the police (see table 16).
Table 16 Reports integrity violations and government-wide
BIZO, 2003-2009
2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009
AE 40 53 42 58 26 30 29
BIZO * 30 26 30 84 134 *
Total * 83 68 88 110 164 *
* Data not available in source.
Source: OM (2007) and annual reports for 2006-2009 LR
The reports of the LR from 2007 to 2009 show a decline. BIZO
did not have the figures for 2003 and 2009. In the years 2007-2008
BIZO recorded significantly more reports than in the preceding period.
The explanation for this new policy shift by the prosecution, that from
2007 declarations primarily related to employee behavior of
the KPA, referring to BIZO. At a later stage, the OM then decide
or BIZO or the LR with further research would be taxed (see also
below) .684
Organised crime: drug smuggling
To the extent the data permit a statement about the development of
the smuggling of drugs and money that related to it,
Aruba since it seems that the turn to less
to organized crime than in the preceding period. In the years
ninety-De Ruiter, the Commission has the endorsement of the government
Clinton cocaine was smuggled through Aruba. Aruba would then, according

(footnotes)
681 'The Netherlands is leading research Natalee Holloway, NRC Handelsblad, 2 September 2006.
682 See the undated press release from the OM Aruba and KPA (probably late 2008 or early 2009)
(Www.europa-nu.nl/9353000/1/j4nvgs5kjg27kof_j9vvikqpopjt8zm/vi2i8z0xrdzi/f=/blg18910.pdf).
683 Integrity Violations by the government include phenomena such as bribery, fraud, theft, embezzlement, the making dubious promises or gifts, having incompatible functions and bonds (interest) abuse of power, abuse and manipulation of information, waste and breach of contract, breach of etiquette / harassment and misconduct in leisure (OM, 2007).
684 In 2006 the EAA has nineteen of these things, according to the annual report for 2007 (Country Investigation, 2008, p. 6).


238 The state government of Aruba

persons who were interviewed for the 2007 CBA, a springboard
been transporting drugs from South America to the United
States and Europe. Location and infrastructure, according to them, Aruba
vulnerable to large-scale drug trafficking, money laundering and terrorist financing
in relation to South Amerika.685
Over the period 2006-2007 was reported that two different sources
there was a decrease in drug-related criminaliteit.686 Development
was also associated with rolling up a big 'trade organization'
Domino in the study.
According to the CBA, there were probably around 2007
five to ten major drug traffickers actief.687 The Maritime Crime Image
2009 Coast Guard confirmed the image of Aruba's hand
vulnerability to trafficking, but says that the scale was limited
become: 688
"The proximity of Venezuela and Colombia continue to play an important role in
the smuggling of drugs into Aruba. The good logistic facilities
The island play a role. It seems that Aruba is no longer the major
"Hub" to Europe is what it ever has been in the past. (...) The whole
major parties seem not to reach Aruba, but it is certain that
the drugs still on the island still come. With direct air links
to Europe and good facilities for container as
Europe, destination or other islands in the Caribbean
region there are still opportunities for drugs to take effect. "
Also, respondents from the law argued in 2010 that a large
or growing problem of drug trafficking in Aruba does not appear to be
but that the risk that the stabbing was re-emerged, always present is.689
Organised crime: money laundering
The authors of the CBA in 2007, could not figure out the figures
extent of possible money laundering issues. Respondents expressed their
signals that "many (is) laundered, and that this 'open secret'
According to the FATF would zijn.690 Aruba in 2009 was not a "major money laundering
port, but was on the island, there were a gelegenheidsstruc-


(Footnotes)
685 OM (2007, p. 51), two respondents from law enforcement.
686 OM (2007, p. 80), 2006-2008 Annual reports of OM. In the CBA (OM, 2007, p. 33) concluded that
regarding the control of the transit of drugs the previous year in Aruba
Good results were achieved. It looked as though a part of that trade has moved elsewhere. In
Annual Report 2005 concluded that the OM handled more cases and the number of dismissals was
decreased (2006, p. 3). The prosecution stated in the 2006 annual report that the number of drug suspects
"Again" was dropped (2007, p. 13).
687 OM (2007, p. 81). Five respondents from law enforcement in our study also believe that there
drug traffickers are active: "Domino is not resolved," said one of them.

NA & A 688 KW (2009, p. 60-61). The CBA gives figures for maritime seizures of drugs by
the different services in the area.
689 Three respondents from law enforcement.
In OM 690 (2007) was nevertheless concluded that "several questionable flows on the
island, "and that" the tax on the height (is) a lot of black money in various economic sectors.
Where the conclusion is based, is not mentioned.


Law Enforcement and Governance 239

tuur.691 According to our respondents from law enforcement would be attractive Aruba
for money launderers of drugsgelden.692 In Chapter 6 we pointed
on the FATF's 2009 study in which a number of vulnerabilities of Aruba
financial system were appointed. Since that report does Aruba
to implement the recommendations of the FATF.
In the nineties were irregularities in the atmosphere
smuggling of excise goods and money laundering in relation to companies on the FTA,
Free Zone Aruba (FZA). The FZA was privatized and
conducted in 2002, an integrity key. The FATF adopted include the Aruban
experience in this area as best practice for example. In the past
Aruba decade developed an approach focused on prevention, according to the
FATF's experience shows that law enforcement is not ideal in this
is.693
What it is organized crime (cocaine trafficking and money laundering) is
Aruba by location and amenities, in principle attractive to criminals
but respondents have the impression that there in the past
years but limited use of them.

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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #690 on: September 29, 2011, 08:33:53 PM »

http://www.rnw.nl/caribiana/article/vriendjespolitiek-op-aruba

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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #691 on: September 29, 2011, 08:37:55 PM »

Oh boy...another taskforce, Aruba's answer to every problem.  Too bad the taskforce will be made up of the problem...therefore more loopholes.

 
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #692 on: September 29, 2011, 09:19:35 PM »

Oh boy...another taskforce, Aruba's answer to every problem.  Too bad the taskforce will be made up of the problem...therefore more loopholes.

 

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« Reply #693 on: September 29, 2011, 09:57:01 PM »

http://wodc.nl/images/ob297-summary_tcm44-375525.pdf

In English!   

It's just a summary of what each chapter of the report covers, but imo could help those interested decide what parts are worth translating.
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #694 on: September 29, 2011, 10:23:27 PM »

Hmmmm...Is "Caligula" Joran's new cellmate?

http://peru.com/actualidad/loco-david-piedras-gordas-y-caligula-castro-castro-noticia-22664

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Thursday September 29, 2011
David Loco Piedras Gordas and Caligula in Castro Castro

Lima. Pancorvo Manrique David Sanchez, alias 'Loco David', and Jorge Fernandez Montoya, alias 'Caligula', were held in different prisons in Lima for being allegedly responsible for the death of Walter Oyarce Alliance supporter.

Under tight security, was first taken to the penal de Piedras Gordas, in Ancon, which also purges prison Antauro Humala, Ollanta Humala president's brother.

While the latter was taken to the Miguel Castro Castro. He is partner to the Dutch citizen Joran van der Sloot, who was accused of murdering the young Stephany Flores.

Judge Simeon Campos opened proceedings against Sánchez-Manrique Pancorvo for the crimes of murder and unrest, and against Fernandez Montoya serious injury and disturbances.
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« Reply #695 on: September 29, 2011, 10:43:53 PM »

http://wodc.nl/images/ob297-summary_tcm44-375525.pdf

In English!   

It's just a summary of what each chapter of the report covers, but imo could help those interested decide what parts are worth translating.

Thank you, texasmom.  A great find! 
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« Reply #696 on: September 29, 2011, 11:10:33 PM »

REMINDER


Joran van der Sloot, October, 2010

'I wanted to get back at Natalee's family - her parents have been making my life tough for five years.'

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Van-der-Sloot-true-story-book/zMY1TGGVkU2Kc8LMCiU6pA.cspx

 
Beth Holloway, November 2010

'If he thinks I've been pestering him for the past five years, he hasn't seen anything yet.'

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/

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« Reply #697 on: September 29, 2011, 11:13:17 PM »

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« Reply #699 on: September 30, 2011, 12:15:09 AM »

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/12/06/diario-they-went-into-panic-when-natalee-remained-passed-out/

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1135.msg158111#msg158111

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December 6, 2006 - DIARIO:


‘THEY’ WENT INTO PANIC WHEN NATALEE REMAINED ‘PASSED OUT’
The Natalee Case…Dutch official report shows


Oranjestad (AAN) As promised to the peoples of Aruba and the U.S.A., DIARIO will continue with its investigation on the missing girl, Natalee Holloway, and will publish legitimate documents accompanied by analysis and questions that sooner or later will bring out the truth.

Today, the investigative team of DIARIO is publishing part of an official report given by a Dutch police officer who came to Aruba to interrogate Joran van der Sloot among others.

The Dutch police officer states that Joran van Der Sloot is aware of the possibility that exists that one day the American authorities will ask for his extradition due to the fact that the missing girl (Natalee) is an American Citizen. Joran’s reaction was that he began to laugh!

Now Joran began to laugh because he was afraid or because he felt reassured because he was told beforehand that “no body, no crime”?

From this same official report one can deduct that Joran again throws the ball in Deepak Kalpoe’s corner, because he tells the Dutch officer that if they interrogate Deepak in the same manner that they interrogated Joran, then Deepak for sure will tell the truth. Which truth? How come the Dutch police officer did not ask Van der Sloot about which truth he was referring to?

Joran also said that if some weeks before they had interrogated him in the aforementioned manner, then the truth would have come out much faster!

Again the question remains: to what truth is Joran referring to? The supposed truth that he left Natalee behind all alone on the beach? That is the truth that he so heavily sustained during so many weeks with his mouth closed, turn all sorts of story around, remain without speaking, become fresh with the police interrogators, come every time with a different story to contradict other stories, and that show that he had been lying from the beginning?

The question now is: what is Joran referring to with this ‘different form of interrogation’?

How come they did not continue with this ‘different form of interrogation’ of the suspects, to determine what happened to Natalee and where Natalee is?

The culminating part of this procesvebaal (official report) is that when the police officer mentioned the ollowing: “I, De Ruiter, mentioned to Van der Sloot that there was no interest in lying to him about this fact (he is referring to the declaration of Freddy Zedan Arambatzis) because the importance of the declaration made by the witness Zedan Arambatzis, was directed towards the fact that Joran had already on the 30th of May told Freddy the story about the Holliday Inn and that Joran told Freddy also that “they” went into panic when Natalee remained “passed out”!

Everyone can read today what was put black on white “Dat ze” went into panic, and the “Ze” here in Dutch hows that more than one person was involved in that part about entering into panic, because “ze” is plural.

There is nowhere in this official report that Joran hurriedly contradicted the Dutch police when reference was made to “They” entered into panic and said that there were no other people involved!

Seeing that the Dutch officer himself mentions that “they” entered into panic, according to the declaration of Freddy Zedan, then there were more than one person involved and everyone can reach his own conclusion that Freddy Zedan knows those who he himself referred to as “they”, or in Papiamento “nan”. “They” went into panic when Natalee remained passed out! This means that more than one person was present when Natalee remained passed out and where are these people who were with Natalee when she remained passed out? On the beach like “they” want the police and everyone else to believe, or elsewhere? Do they who belong to the group referred to as “they” realize now that the circle is slowly closing around “them”? For those who understand what this means, few words are necessary!

The strange part is that Joran declared to the Dutch policeman based on his questions, that he had recently spoken to the witness Freddy Zedan Arambatzis, and that during that conversation, Joran asked Freddy why he mentioned the date of 30 May, and Van der Sloot told the policeman that he (Freddy) just mentioned a date and that the witness in truth heard the story from Van der Sloot himself the day after Natalee disappeared.

Here’s another point in the investigation that proves very controversial and even questions severely the fact that a suspect in police custody or is under investigation, even has the possibility and facility to speak to one of the witnesses, that is Freddy Zedan Arambatzis.

In which part of the world can a suspect under police investigation for the disappearance of someone, get the possibility to speak to a witness who is his friend?

On which day did Joran speak with Freddy, where and who gave Joran (while in police custody) the great privilege to speak to a witness who can declare in his favor?

Reading the expositions of the Dutch police officer, who mentioned extradition to Joran, sources in the U.S. are indicating that they are waiting for the opportune moment to ask for the extradition of Joran van der Sloot, the brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, Freddy Arambatzis, and other names that have not yet been made public.

Preparations can be under way to petition internationally for an order of arrest via the Interpol for those who the U.S. wants to extradite because, as those sources say, they will get them any part of the world and will bring them to justice; in Aruba they won’t get as many years in prison like in the U.S.
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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