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« Reply #760 on: October 02, 2011, 12:48:36 PM »

I thought it said they were "dressed" as security guards.  They probably were the security guards.
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« Reply #761 on: October 02, 2011, 01:12:28 PM »

I thought it said they were "dressed" as security guards.  They probably were the security guards.

It did say that, and it wouldn't surprise me at all if you're right.   
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #762 on: October 03, 2011, 01:25:13 AM »




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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #763 on: October 03, 2011, 12:46:20 PM »

THE CHANGING STATEMENTS

A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway


Pages 187: After waiting months to find out what my statement actually says, Jug calls on my first day in California. He has finally been able to obtain the translation of my statement from prosecutor Janssen. The one the detective brought to me to sign late that night in the restaurant. And I trusted him, and signed every page.

“listen to this, Beth …” The words he reads echo in my head. I begin to sink, and could slide to the ground out of my chair. “Jug, they changed it. They changed my statement.”

I had carefully given intricate details about the encounter in the van der Sloot front yard the first night we got to the island, including names and physical descriptions. Now Paulus van der Sloot is described only as “the man with the glasses.”

Those are not my words.

Earlier we learned from the prosecutor that the statements from the two uniformed officers who were with us in the van der Sloot front yard that morning didn’t mention the sexual encounters described by Joran between Natalee and him. No mention of his sexual contact with her as she was falling asleep and walking up. No mention of his description of her underwear and genitalia. So the judge never heard about all that.

There‘s no way a police officer could stand there that morning, hear what Joran was saying, and fail to include these details in a statement. No way. In my opinion this information must have been deleted for the officers.


Aruba: The Tragic Untold Story of Natalee Holloway and Corruption in Paradise
By Dave Holloway

Page 182:
  The day after our talk with Ms. Flanegan, I had to go to the police staton to turn in the statement that I had given to Dennis Jacobs.  He had given me a copy to go over with my attorney, Vinda.  But, after looking at it, I realized that it was only a page and a half long and had little to do with what we had actually discussed the most, the conversation that I had with Paulus van der Sloot at the prison ...  I had spent a long time with Jacobs, and much of my interview was not in the statement.

When I went back to turn it in and discuss it with him, I was told that Jacobs was in with Jan van der Stratten.

Page 183:  I commented to Jacobs about how short my statement was. He said that I could add anything I wanted to it. Also, I noticed that Eric Soemers' name was on it, but that detective was not even present during the interview. Now I wondered if Jacobs was making up everyone's statement and getting Eric to sign on to them. If that were the case, he could state anything he wanted, and it would look like an official statement made in front of a witness.
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Page 219: I have to make difficult choices every day.  I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me.  It's not easy.  I ask God to help me.
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« Reply #764 on: October 03, 2011, 01:37:53 PM »

http://www.awe24.com/20111001/8578/Atraco_arma_na_cas_di_pareha_turista_cu_ta_bibando_na_Mesa_Vista_na_Tierra_del

2 di october 2011 | ultimo incidente: 12 hora pasa | incidentenan registra for di 19 februari 2009: 7986
Atraco arma na cas di pareha turista cu ta bibando na Mesa Vista na Tierra del Sol


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Not sure what happened.  I'm guessing someone broke into a vacation home of a tourist or something. 

BUT.....guess who this is?   Monkey Devil! Monkey Devil!



You found MY DONUT HOLE!

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« Reply #765 on: October 03, 2011, 02:03:01 PM »

http://spotlight.vitals.com/2011/10/dr-mary-hamer-playing-benefector-to-murderer-van-der-sloot/

October 3rd, 2011
Dr. Mary Hamer Playing Benefactor to Murderer van der Sloot
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After admitting to murdering Stephany Flores and awaiting murder trial for Natalee Holloway, Joran van der Sloot is sitting comfortably in the Peruvian prison with all his bills paid by a US doctor.

Dr. Mary Hamer, as Dutch newspapers are reporting, has been helping van der Sloot’s mother pay for his legal defense bills.

“According to reports in the Dutch newspaper, De Telegraaf, the woman says she’s convinced van der Sloot is the victim of a conspiracy and denies any romantic involvement.” (cbs42.com)

Vitals.com displays Dr. Mary Hamer as a board-certified Diagnostic Radiologist with 25 years of medical experience. With a two star patient rating and an hour average waittime in her Lake City, Florida practice, she completed her MD at Wayne State University School of Medicine in 1982.

See more about Dr. Mary Hamer

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Read more: http://spotlight.vitals.com/2011/10/dr-mary-hamer-playing-benefector-to-murderer-van-der-sloot/#ixzz1Zk679cpG


Link to "See more about Dr. Mary Hamer":  http://www.vitals.com/doctors/Dr_Mary_Hamer.html

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Dr. Mary Hamer, MD may also be known as:
Mary Monica Hamer MD, Dr. Hamer Mary

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Read more: http://www.vitals.com/doctors/Dr_Mary_Hamer.html#ixzz1Zk737JX3
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« Reply #766 on: October 03, 2011, 05:47:24 PM »

http://wikimapia.org/4227754/Aruba-Pet-Cemetery

Aruba Pet Cemetery. Originally begun by residents of the old Lago colony and still used today.

Thank you grace. That spot is near the Colorado Lighthouse which I believe is the lighthouse in the Aru-bay videos.
It has that distinctive tower in it.

After all these years, what ifffffff Natalee is found too.



It is my belief the Natalee's remain will not be found.  I speculate that unknown to Joran ... Paulus had Natalee's body removed from a shallow grave near the lighthouse and placed in a trap and taken out to sea and ... on January 7, 2008 her remains were recovered from that trap by Aruban divers unchallenged by the Persistence' project lead.

Janet

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Arashi Beach

Teen's disappearance a criminal case
Aruba police say three men are 'people of interest'
Sunday, June 5, 2005 Posted: 7:54 AM EDT (1154 GMT)

 
Authorities have said they talked to the three men who left with her, and the men claim they took Holloway to Arashi Beach before dropping her off at her hotel at about 2 a.m.
 
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/06/04/missing.teen/


The June 10th Confession

ORANJESTAD, Aruba, June 12, 2005
Aruba Case Appears Stalled


Holloway's family rushed late Friday to an old stone lighthouse beside Arisha beach after Deputy Police Commissioner Gerold Dompig told The Associated Press that one of three young men in custody admitted that "something bad happened" to Holloway and was leading police to the scene of the alleged crime.
 
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/10/national/main700829.shtml


Trap Recovery

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words


Kyle Kingman: The brother thought they were coordinates, but it was just a latitude. Oddly, the latitude was within a half mile from where we found the trap and centered on Arashi beach.

Kyle Kingman:  The detective's brother gave what he thought were coordinates, but turned out to be a line of latitude. This latitude aligned with Arashi beach and came within a half mile of the fish trap.

Kyle Kingman: The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.

Kyle Kingman:  I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap.

Kyle Kingman:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

Kermit - Scared Monkeys


Paulus van der Sloot

Monkeys Media Reminder … Beth Holloway & Peter R. DeVries on Dana Pretzer Show on Scared Monkeys Radio
February 13th, 2008


Beth Holloway:

51:40 - I do believe his (Joran) father played a major role in Natalee's disappearance.

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2008/02/13/monkeys-media-reminder-beth-holloway-peter-r-devries-on-dana-pretzer-show-on-scared-monkeys-radio/

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Page 219: I have to make difficult choices every day.  I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me.  It's not easy.  I ask God to help me.
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« Reply #767 on: October 03, 2011, 06:54:32 PM »

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« Reply #768 on: October 03, 2011, 07:04:57 PM »

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« Reply #769 on: October 03, 2011, 07:54:41 PM »

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« Reply #771 on: October 03, 2011, 08:19:56 PM »

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« Reply #772 on: October 03, 2011, 09:25:17 PM »

2NJ

You may not have realized but you helped lifted a burden that I was carrying.  Then you were gone.  I regret that I failed to convey my sincere appreciation.  However ... I will never forget.  I do miss you.

Janet

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Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #855 12/30/10 -
« Reply #380 on: January 15, 2011, 04:01:10 PM »


I believe there are 14 stations of the cross.  If Beth stopped at the 5th station, it represents when Simon Helps Jesus Carry His Cross.

 an angelic monkey

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9031.msg1291068#msg1291068


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« Reply #383 on: January 15, 2011, 04:18:52 PM »


I never realized that each cross had a significance.

Thanks 2NJ

Janet


The Stations of the Cross

Spiritual significance


The object of the Stations is to help the faithful to make a spiritual pilgrimage of prayer, through meditating upon the chief scenes of Christ's sufferings and death. It has become one of the most popular devotions for Roman Catholics, as well as featuring in the worship and devotion of other Christian denominations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stations_of_the_Cross#History

Traditional form

The Stations themselves are usually a series of 14 pictures or sculptures depicting the following scenes:

Jesus is condemned to death
Jesus is given his cross
Jesus falls the first time
Jesus meets His Mother
Simon of Cyrene carries the cross
 Veronica wipes the face of Jesus
Jesus falls the second time
Jesus meets the daughters of Jerusalem
Jesus falls the third time
Jesus is stripped of His garments
Crucifixion: Jesus is nailed to the cross
Jesus dies on the cross
Jesus' body is removed from the cross (Deposition or Lamentation)
Jesus is laid in the tomb and covered in incense.
 
Although not traditionally part of the Stations, the Resurrection of Jesus is sometimes included as a fifteenth station

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stations_of_the_Cross#History

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9031.380


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« Reply #386 on: January 15, 2011, 04:32:13 PM »


Yes, Janet.  In Catholic churches, the stations historically have been depicted inside and/or outside.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9031.380


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« Reply #387 on: January 15, 2011, 04:37:13 PM »


A constant reminder of the ultimate sacrifice.

I like the 15th Station.  The tomb could not hold Him.

Thanks again.

Janet

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« Reply #773 on: October 03, 2011, 10:21:30 PM »

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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #775 on: October 03, 2011, 10:39:24 PM »

http://www.awe24.com/20111003/8584/RThomas_Chamber_y_Cornes_ta_keda_deteni_pa_atraco_riba_turistanan

Papiamentu translation:

r.thomas, chamber y cornes is stay deteni for atraco on turistanan

14 hora happen come across, 3 of october 2011 08:01

the 3 sospechosonan r.thomas, chamber y cornes owing to aparece fast juez, for they envolvimiento in caso of atraco on turistanan. is so cu the atraco team of cuerpo policial is work for so place all the atracadornan in hand of justicia y now they're in the proceso of deal the caso for so achieve all detayes of that owing to haci what for so arrive at the juicio end.

http://www.awe24.com/20111002/8583/Mas_hoben_deteni_como_sospechoso_di_ladronicia_for_di_auto

Papiamentu translation:

more young deteni because; sospechoso of ladronicia for of car

1 day happen come across, 2 of october 2011 19:16

as was of wait for after of cu police owing to captura one young of 19 year diadomingo madruga is steal for of car of one tourist, the investigacion owing to follow y so diadomingo night self police owing to succeed place hand on one another young that is being sospecha of will is complice in the caso of ladronicia for of car near of palm beach plaza. apparently will bay have more detencion is bay cay.
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #776 on: October 04, 2011, 12:15:07 AM »

Obit for a relative of Dilma Arends Geerman?

http://issuu.com/themorningnews/docs/october_3__2011?mode=embed&layout=http%3A%2F%2Fskin.issuu.com%2Fv%2Flight%2Flayout.xml

The Morning News
Monday, October 3, 2011

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« Reply #777 on: October 04, 2011, 02:03:28 AM »

Obit for a relative of Dilma Arends Geerman?

http://issuu.com/themorningnews/docs/october_3__2011?mode=embed&layout=http%3A%2F%2Fskin.issuu.com%2Fv%2Flight%2Flayout.xml

The Morning News
Monday, October 3, 2011

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Yes, Dilma's father in law. 

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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #779 on: October 04, 2011, 11:10:29 AM »

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