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« Reply #780 on: October 04, 2011, 01:42:21 PM »

Natalee Holloway's Parents To Argue Over Declaring Daughter Legally Dead In Alabama Court (UPDATE)



The parents of missing Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway are at odds over a petition her father has filed to declare their daughter legally dead. The petition will be heard in probate court in Birmingham today.
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Despite her opposition to declaring her daughter dead, Beth Holloway recently admitted that she does not think Natalee is still alive. The brutal killing of Flores changed her mind.

"(When) I discovered [the] ferocity in which he murdered Stephany Flores, that put it in perspective for me as to what transpired with Natalee," Holloway said during a May 10 appearance on CBS' "The Early Show."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/23/natalee-holloway-court_n_977831.html#s307311&title=Joran_van_der




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« Reply #781 on: October 04, 2011, 02:03:48 PM »

A Realization was Reached

May 10, 2011 10:02 AM Print Text
Natalee Holloway's mom: She's dead


(CBS News)  Nearly six years ago, Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway disappeared in Aruba.

Her mother, Beth Holloway, has been relentless in her pursuit of the truth in her daughter's case, which is still unsolved.

But on "The Early Show" Tuesday, when speaking about her new Lifetime TV series, Beth Holloway admitted she doesn't think her daughter is alive today

She said she reached the realization after learning of the death of 21-year-old Stephany Flores, allegedly at the hands of Joran van der Sloot in Peru.

She said, "(When) I discovered ferocity in which he murdered Stephany Flores. That put it in perspective for me as to what transpired with Natalee."


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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/05/10/earlyshow/living/parenting/main20061398.shtml



One in a Million Chance

Natalee Holloway's Mom Still Hoping She Is Alive
Sept. 23, 2011


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"Even if it's a one in a million chance, she wants to always have that sliver of hope," said Beth Holloway's attorney, John Q. Kelly, after a court hearing today over the contentious petition.

"She doesn't want to be in the position where Natalee could show up one day and ask, 'Why did you give up on me?'" he said.

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http://abcnews.go.com/US/natalee-holloways-mom-clings-hope-daughter-alive/story?id=14591709
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Page 219: I have to make difficult choices every day.  I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me.  It's not easy.  I ask God to help me.
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« Reply #783 on: October 04, 2011, 04:51:33 PM »

Dogs to Search for U.S. Woman Missing in Aruba
Published October 04, 2011


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ORANJESTAD, Aruba –  A team of cadaver dogs has arrived in Aruba to search for the remains of a Maryland woman who was reported missing two months ago by her travel companion.

Solicitor General Taco Stein tells The Associated Press that the dogs arrived from the Netherlands last weekend and will begin searching soon for the body of 35-year-old Robyn Gardner. He says the search will focus on a southeastern section of the island known as Seroe Colorado.

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http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/10/04/dogs-to-search-for-us-woman-missing-in-aruba/


1 1/2 months later ... after declining FBI assistance ... Aruba brings their dogs to the location of the alleged drowning.  Crazy!!

Janet


Explicit pictures’ of Gardner on Giordano’s camera       
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He (Solicitor General Taco Stein) does confirm one person from the FBI, who is normally stationed in Barbados, is on the island. According to the OM, he coordinates the legal aid requests from Aruba to the United States. Stein does not expect more FIB-officers will come to the island. He states there are sufficient ‘extremely capable people’ in the Kingdom who can assist with the investigation. For example, he names a team with tracking dogs from the KLPD (Corps National Police Services) in The Netherlands that is ‘worldwide renown’ and on request could be deployed in tracing the body.

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Page 219: I have to make difficult choices every day.  I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me.  It's not easy.  I ask God to help me.
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« Reply #784 on: October 04, 2011, 04:53:19 PM »

Never Passed the Ball

Loving Natalee
A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway


Page 184: Then FBI agent Bill comes by and delivers the final blow. "The FBI has never received one single document from the Arubans. Not one tape. Nothing." he says sadly. Depite our personal pleas to authorities here and our broadcast appeals to Aruba to let the FBI lend a hand, and regardless of Aruba's public response that it would welcome FBI assistance, the island never let FBI agents in on the investigation. Never passed them the ball. Not even for one minute


No Invitation Extended

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words


Kyle Kingman:  The Arubans told us there wasn't anything of interest in the trap based on the visual-only inspection (Dateline and Tim Miller present).
 
Kyle Kingman:  John definitely believed the Arubans at their every word

Kyle Kingman:  Aruban divers deemed the cage to be not case related, and therefore Aruba had no interest in it.  At that point, I made the statement to all on board that we do have an interest and that we would recover the cage ourselves.  That is when Mos said they would dive on it but it would take 1 -2 weeks for a forensics team to arrive and that he would let Persistence know.

Kyle Kingman:  The FBI said they needed an invitation. I brought it up to Mos and Richardson and they were talking as if it were a possibility along with a Dutch forensic team. Mos said it would take about 10-14 days to have a Dutch forensic team on site. Never heard another word about it.

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Page 219: I have to make difficult choices every day.  I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me.  It's not easy.  I ask God to help me.
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ARUBA: It's all about Natalee...we won't give up!


« Reply #785 on: October 04, 2011, 07:31:57 PM »

 

http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1013/Buitenland/article/detail/2947260/2011/10/04/Suikertante-wil-Joran-spiritueel-leiden.dhtml

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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"We won't give up on you, Natalee.  You didn't give up on us, and we will continue with the investigation until we have all of the answers to your disappearance.  God be with you my Natalee!" Dave Holloway ARUBA
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« Reply #786 on: October 04, 2011, 07:41:30 PM »

I think this is the video of yesterday's RTL, Mary Hamer by phone?  It's taking forever to load...

http://www.rtl.nl/xl/#/u/77845ce3-0be2-4fe1-b8e5-b1968dbc2460/
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"We won't give up on you, Natalee.  You didn't give up on us, and we will continue with the investigation until we have all of the answers to your disappearance.  God be with you my Natalee!" Dave Holloway ARUBA
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« Reply #787 on: October 04, 2011, 07:48:11 PM »

I understood John van den Heuval say "playstation".

Yep, just what every murderer needs in Castro Castro.   
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"We won't give up on you, Natalee.  You didn't give up on us, and we will continue with the investigation until we have all of the answers to your disappearance.  God be with you my Natalee!" Dave Holloway ARUBA
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« Reply #788 on: October 04, 2011, 07:54:47 PM »

Yep, you can hear the lunaticMary Hamer on the video.

Wow, she was surprised Joran was polite...   
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"We won't give up on you, Natalee.  You didn't give up on us, and we will continue with the investigation until we have all of the answers to your disappearance.  God be with you my Natalee!" Dave Holloway ARUBA
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« Reply #789 on: October 04, 2011, 08:00:10 PM »

She said she's the Mary Hamer Civil Liberties Union for Joran.

If it wasn't so sickening it would be funny.   
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"We won't give up on you, Natalee.  You didn't give up on us, and we will continue with the investigation until we have all of the answers to your disappearance.  God be with you my Natalee!" Dave Holloway ARUBA
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« Reply #790 on: October 04, 2011, 08:01:49 PM »

If anyone cares to listen to the crazy woman who's giving Joran money for everything he needs in prison...you can listen here:

http://www.rtl.nl/xl/#/u/77845ce3-0be2-4fe1-b8e5-b1968dbc2460/

 
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"We won't give up on you, Natalee.  You didn't give up on us, and we will continue with the investigation until we have all of the answers to your disappearance.  God be with you my Natalee!" Dave Holloway ARUBA
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« Reply #791 on: October 04, 2011, 08:09:06 PM »

Radiologist make a lot of money. They are one of the highest paid physicians.

If this lady has been a doctor for 25 yrs., I have no idea where this picture came from.  She has got to be older than 50yrs.

He is terribly overweight which will bring back those fat early years, he wrote about.  I think he has sent a couple HoHos to Sebastian. 

She shouldn't encourage such an unhealthy lifestyle.  She shouldn't be part of a system that takes payment because there will be someone else that will pay to have other things provided to Joran.  She isn't helping him physically or spiritually. He was messed up before Natalee. He and his mother will play her like a violin.
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« Reply #792 on: October 04, 2011, 08:27:34 PM »

“The cops believe a local couple actually witnessed the beginning of what turned out to be Robyn’s murder,” a source close to the in­vestigation told The ENQUIRER.

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Whatever happened to honesty and integrity?  I'm sorry, even if I were scared, I would have called 911 or followed the car far behind because if anything happened, I would feel just as guilty as the vermin pounding her.  It seems everyone in Aruba fears the "Powers that Be."



The Threat

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There is apparently no amount of money in the world that can get us the answer to what happened to Natalee. When I asked an Aruban attorney about this, his response was chilling: “The threat is bigger than the money,” he says. The Threat. That dark influence. The evil that nothing and no one can pierce.


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I also find it hard to believe that with all of the press that Natalee’s disapppearance has attracted, there is not one person anywhere who knows what happened to her. I can only surmise that those who do know something are too afraid to come forward. Maybe there would be a price to pay if they tell, a price so high and so threatening that not even the $1,000,000 reward money is enough of an enticement for someone to bring us the truth.

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« Reply #793 on: October 04, 2011, 08:29:03 PM »

Radiologist make a lot of money. They are one of the highest paid physicians.

If this lady has been a doctor for 25 yrs., I have no idea where this picture came from.  She has got to be older than 50yrs.

He is terribly overweight which will bring back those fat early years, he wrote about.  I think he has sent a couple HoHos to Sebastian. 

She shouldn't encourage such an unhealthy lifestyle.  She shouldn't be part of a system that takes payment because there will be someone else that will pay to have other things provided to Joran.  She isn't helping him physically or spiritually. He was messed up before Natalee. He and his mother will play her like a violin.

 

Since she's given him around $40000, yep I'd consider that a little more than a modest income.

She's just feeding his huge sense of entitlement imo.  It's sickening.

There are plenty of deserving people (here in the U.S.) that could use her help if that's truly her desire.  She just seems like another Joran groupie (with deep pockets) imo.

She's playing with fire.
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"We won't give up on you, Natalee.  You didn't give up on us, and we will continue with the investigation until we have all of the answers to your disappearance.  God be with you my Natalee!" Dave Holloway ARUBA
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« Reply #794 on: October 04, 2011, 08:30:10 PM »

She's a fruitcake (anyone who supports a murderer is) and I'm sure she must be a poster at RU.


http://www.countercurrents.org/hamer090510.htm

http://www.countercurrents.org/hamer080909.htm

http://www.countercurrents.org/hamer081209.htm

http://www.countercurrents.org/hamer280110.htm

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http://www.countercurrents.org/hamer050610.htm

http://www.countercurrents.org/hamer160810.htm

http://www.countercurrents.org/hamer180311.htm

http://www.countercurrents.org/hamer160511.htm

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« Reply #795 on: October 04, 2011, 08:33:45 PM »

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« Reply #796 on: October 04, 2011, 08:36:42 PM »

I find myself wondering if Dr. Nitwit is somehow connected to Dorothy Sims from the
Casey Anthony Case.   Sims is all for prisoners civil liberties....Buddhist..same area of Florida.
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« Reply #797 on: October 04, 2011, 08:45:33 PM »

I find myself wondering if Dr. Nitwit is somehow connected to Dorothy Sims from the
Casey Anthony Case.   Sims is all for prisoners civil liberties....Buddhist..same area of Florida.

Interesting...
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"We won't give up on you, Natalee.  You didn't give up on us, and we will continue with the investigation until we have all of the answers to your disappearance.  God be with you my Natalee!" Dave Holloway ARUBA
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« Reply #798 on: October 04, 2011, 08:57:30 PM »

I find myself wondering if Dr. Nitwit is somehow connected to Dorothy Sims from the
Casey Anthony Case.   Sims is all for prisoners civil liberties....Buddhist..same area of Florida.

Interesting...
....and they both need a hairdresser!
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« Reply #799 on: October 04, 2011, 08:58:31 PM »

I find myself wondering if Dr. Nitwit is somehow connected to Dorothy Sims from the
Casey Anthony Case.   Sims is all for prisoners civil liberties....Buddhist..same area of Florida.

Interesting...
....and they both need a hairdresser!

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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"We won't give up on you, Natalee.  You didn't give up on us, and we will continue with the investigation until we have all of the answers to your disappearance.  God be with you my Natalee!" Dave Holloway ARUBA
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