Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #860 8/28/11 - 10/16/11

[Magnolia]

I wonder if the reason Dave and his attorney decided to have Beth served was that once she had the papers, it set the procedures in motion.  It sure looks to me like Dave didn't want a discussion of any sorts.  Just wham!  Papers served.  And this doesn't sound like something that would need to happen over a $2,000.00 college fund.  Not at all!    

What in the world is going on with this?  Something isn't right.  JMHO

I can only think of two reasons that Dave would handle the situation as her did:
Money or vindictiveness

I don't know what's in his head, but I can say there have been a couple of things that I found questionable behavior.
I wanted to believe the good in him, but now I just don't any more. I think it was after that Birmingham meeting that I learned he and his wife took off for Las Vegas for a little fun. Just didn't sit right with me. I have had a family member missing and I'll tell ya what - we never thought of going to Las Vegas, especially when other people sent them money. And he was paying that Rammstein fart money to translate documents. What a joke!
When ya add it all up with what we know - kinda makes ya sick.

 

It is just my opinion...which doesn't count for much....but I think he was so mad when Beth
and Peter De Vries went to Castro Castro to confront Joran.  I think he and Steph Watts had
planned something similiar as a money making scheme.  That was shortly after Steph and Tim
Miller and Dave had spent time together in Aruba,(at the house with lots of steaks)  Then
Steph and Tim went on the Blog talk radio bashing Beth, and saying that they had a similiar
plan and Beth had ruined their investigation.

[San]

I wonder if the reason Dave and his attorney decided to have Beth served was that once she had the papers, it set the procedures in motion.  It sure looks to me like Dave didn't want a discussion of any sorts.  Just wham!  Papers served.  And this doesn't sound like something that would need to happen over a $2,000.00 college fund.  Not at all!    

What in the world is going on with this?  Something isn't right.  JMHO

I can only think of two reasons that Dave would handle the situation as her did:
Money or vindictiveness

I don't know what's in his head, but I can say there have been a couple of things that I found questionable behavior.
I wanted to believe the good in him, but now I just don't any more. I think it was after that Birmingham meeting that I learned he and his wife took off for Las Vegas for a little fun. Just didn't sit right with me. I have had a family member missing and I'll tell ya what - we never thought of going to Las Vegas, especially when other people sent them money. And he was paying that Rammstein fart money to translate documents. What a joke!
When ya add it all up with what we know - kinda makes ya sick.

 

It is just my opinion...which doesn't count for much....but I think he was so mad when Beth
and Peter De Vries went to Castro Castro to confront Joran.  I think he and Steph Watts had
planned something similiar as a money making scheme.  That was shortly after Steph and Tim
Miller and Dave had spent time together in Aruba,(at the house with lots of steaks)  Then
Steph and Tim went on the Blog talk radio bashing Beth, and saying that they had a similiar
plan and Beth had ruined their investigation.

I agree that Dave had the same kind of plan.  Dave would not have gotten far with Joran.  In Joran's eyes Beth is the one he hates most.  He blames Beth for ruining his life.  Did Davee really think he was going to get answers out of Joran.  Joran would have played him like a fiddle.

[texasmom]

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[San]

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[Blonde]

Holloway to Speirers: 'Time will be your best friend'

Updated: Thursday, 22 Sep 2011, 6:47 PM EDT
Published : Thursday, 22 Sep 2011, 6:38 PM EDT
By: Brad Edwards

“Every day, no matter what, you’re going to work for your loved one.”

That’s how Beth Holloway, mother of Natalee Holloway - the teenager who disappeared during a trip to Aruba in 2005 - described life in the wake of a disappearance, as she spoke with 24-Hour News 8 Thursday.

http://www.wishtv.com/dpp/news/local/marion_county/holloway-offers-spierers-encouragement

[grace-land]

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Dutch-reviews-of-van-der-Sloot-Holloway-film/SGict0hJAkafdaaLiQo6GA.cspx

Dutch reviews of van der Sloot/Holloway film
Published: 9/24 11:46 am  Updated: 9/24 12:17 pm

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"Me and Mr. Jones on Natalee Island" had its debut Thursday at The Netherlands Film Festival in Utrecht.  The early review on Radio Netherlands Worldwide's website called Paul Ruven's film "a strange cross between a thriller and a love drama." The movie takes the twin themes of an investigative reporter's need to solve the Natalee Holloway disappearance on Aruba and his developing relationship with an escort. Mixing the two themes didn't set that well with the RNW reviewer.

"The combination of love and crime theories in this case is not worthwhile. The denouement of the film is indeed exciting, but by then, the frustration about the lack of sympathy with the main characters have already ensured that the viewer has become bored. The Holloway case has become a mysterious background with a limp love story."

A review on the Dutch website Movie Sense cited difficulties Ruven had after Joran van der Sloot's mother tried to claim commercial rights to any use of her son's name.  That reviewer shared the skepticism of mixing the Holloway/van der Sloot disappearance case with the love story of the investigative reporter and the call girl but concedes bringing in the Natalee angle will improve the film's chances for international distribution.

In an interview with CBS42.com several weeks ago, Paul Ruven talked about distribution of his film by dvd.

CBS42.com: What is the status of North American distribution? Theatres? DVD? Television? Other?

Paul Ruven: WE GOT SO MANY EMAILS FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD. SO WE CHOSE FOR A “WORLDWIDE PREMIERE”. SO AFTER THE DUTCH PREMIERE ON SEPT 22 2011, FOR THE USA: IT WILL BE ON AMAZON USA , ITUNES USA AND HULA USA AT THE END OF SEPTEMBER.

CBS42 has a SKYPE interview with Ruven scheduled for Monday.

[Kermit]

I wonder if the reason Dave and his attorney decided to have Beth served was that once she had the papers, it set the procedures in motion.  It sure looks to me like Dave didn't want a discussion of any sorts.  Just wham!  Papers served.  And this doesn't sound like something that would need to happen over a $2,000.00 college fund.  Not at all!    

What in the world is going on with this?  Something isn't right.  JMHO

I can only think of two reasons that Dave would handle the situation as her did:
Money or vindictiveness

I don't know what's in his head, but I can say there have been a couple of things that I found questionable behavior.
I wanted to believe the good in him, but now I just don't any more. I think it was after that Birmingham meeting that I learned he and his wife took off for Las Vegas for a little fun. Just didn't sit right with me. I have had a family member missing and I'll tell ya what - we never thought of going to Las Vegas, especially when other people sent them money. And he was paying that Rammstein fart money to translate documents. What a joke!
When ya add it all up with what we know - kinda makes ya sick.

 

It is just my opinion...which doesn't count for much....but I think he was so mad when Beth
and Peter De Vries went to Castro Castro to confront Joran.  I think he and Steph Watts had
planned something similiar as a money making scheme.  That was shortly after Steph and Tim
Miller and Dave had spent time together in Aruba,(at the house with lots of steaks)  Then
Steph and Tim went on the Blog talk radio bashing Beth, and saying that they had a similiar
plan and Beth had ruined their investigation.

Your opinion is everything in my book. You always remember little details like the eating lots of steaks. lol
I hadn't thought of that angle, but you are probably right. People show you who they are by their behavior and Dave's behavior is less then honorable in my book.

[7227]

Something to consider regarding Dave..
Someone commented that he did not look well. Wasn't he in the hospital a year or so ago? I lost my husband a couple of years ago and am just now of a mind to tackle changing my will, etc. Perhaps, Dave has considered problems that could arise settling his estate with Natalee still missing...years of lawyers and court proceedings? A trip to the hospital can make one face the end of life issue. Maybe he is trying to do the right thing. Yes, maybe Beth should have been notified... maybe after all the stress of the last years he did not have the strength needed to see his daughter declared dead and to confront Beth. This cannot be easy for him. MOO

[MuffyBee]

Something to consider regarding Dave..
Someone commented that he did not look well. Wasn't he in the hospital a year or so ago? I lost my husband a couple of years ago and am just now of a mind to tackle changing my will, etc. Perhaps, Dave has considered problems that could arise settling his estate with Natalee still missing...years of lawyers and court proceedings? A trip to the hospital can make one face the end of life issue. Maybe he is trying to do the right thing. Yes, maybe Beth should have been notified... maybe after all the stress of the last years he did not have the strength needed to see his daughter declared dead and to confront Beth. This cannot be easy for him. MOO

I'm sorry for your loss 7227.  You make some interesting points.  I don't believe it's been easy for him or for Beth.  However, I would only offer up at this point that Dave made arrangements through his attorney to have a person serve papers on Beth.  If Dave didn't want to confront Beth, he could also have had that same attorney contact John Q. Kelley, who would then contact Beth.  If your theory is correct, Dave made it easier on himself, but I'm trying to imagine the stab in the heart Beth must have felt when she read the papers she was served at a speaking engagement.     I just really wonder what Natalee would have thought of that?  JMHO

[Tamikosmom]

Something to consider regarding Dave..
Someone commented that he did not look well. Wasn't he in the hospital a year or so ago? I lost my husband a couple of years ago and am just now of a mind to tackle changing my will, etc. Perhaps, Dave has considered problems that could arise settling his estate with Natalee still missing...years of lawyers and court proceedings? A trip to the hospital can make one face the end of life issue. Maybe he is trying to do the right thing. Yes, maybe Beth should have been notified... maybe after all the stress of the last years he did not have the strength needed to see his daughter declared dead and to confront Beth. This cannot be easy for him. MOO

 

7227

If after over six years Dave had come to the heartbreaking decision that the time had come for whatever reasons to have Natalee declared legally deceased ... so be it.  However the way he went it about it was so self-serving.  It lacked both respect and empathy for the mother of Matt and Natalee.

Dave failed to take into consideration that Natalee had TWO parents.  If he felt he was unable to deal with the issue one on one with Beth ... giving a heads-up to her attorney in June when the filing of the petition took place would have been an option.

Think about it.  While Beth was guest speaker at a large conference she was served the unexpected citation ... the unexpected citation that afforded Natalee's mother only two weeks to take it all in as well as prepare an opposition  It was impossible.  Both Beth and her attorney had committments which in turn has paved the road for Dave to legally  proceed unilaterally.

It is said that the best legacy that a father can leave his children is being respectful of their mother.  Dave betrayed both Matt and Natalee.  IMO

Whatever the outcome ... I know the Beth will prevail ... prevail with grace.   

Janet

  .   

[Tamikosmom]

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway

Pages 100: He entrusted me with her care for eighteen years.  Now I must trust Him to care for her.  So I never ask Him why.  Why Natalee?  Why me?  I don't ask.  To do that undermines faith.  Instead, I form an "acceptance trust" with Him there on the windy hillside.  God never questioned me when she was in my care.  I must not question Him.

Page 103:  The sun is up as I reach the top of the hill to see the Alto Vista chapel.  When I step onto the chapel grounds I am free, Liberated from the pain for a precious few moments.  The wind is blowing hard, and I feel Natalee.  I talk to her.  Promise to find her.  Get justice for her.  And pledge never to give up.  Never.

I think about what just happened, pondering the human spirit.  Apparently it can withstand a lot more than I every dreamed possible.  Mom is right; God is good.  All my life I've heard people of many faiths talk about "taking it to the cross and turning it over to the Lord" or just simply "turning it over.  Not the work that has to be done.  Just the burden.  I cast it upon Him so that I may be sustained.  And I am renewed, resilient.  Thankful for however long this resurgence in energy will carry me.  I will pick up one foot and put it down.  Then the other one will follow.  I will breathe.  There is much to be done.

[San]

Something to consider regarding Dave..
Someone commented that he did not look well. Wasn't he in the hospital a year or so ago? I lost my husband a couple of years ago and am just now of a mind to tackle changing my will, etc. Perhaps, Dave has considered problems that could arise settling his estate with Natalee still missing...years of lawyers and court proceedings? A trip to the hospital can make one face the end of life issue. Maybe he is trying to do the right thing. Yes, maybe Beth should have been notified... maybe after all the stress of the last years he did not have the strength needed to see his daughter declared dead and to confront Beth. This cannot be easy for him. MOO

Sorry for your loss 7227.  What irked me the most was how Dave went about this decision.  There is always a way to do the right thing. Dave was going to do it anyway whether he had Beth's approval or not.  So why not give the mother of his daughter a heads up.  He had many ways to go about notifying Beth.  The way it was done was in poor taste.

We all know there is tension between Beth and Dave but in the end they have a son too.  You have to wonder what his son thinks of his move.

Dave has two other children.  If in his heart he wants to change a will or remove Natalee from any life insurance policies couldn't he just not name her as a beneficiary.  I'm sure the house he is living in is under his wife's name.

Is he doing it for closure reasons.  Does declaring someone dead really give one closure.  If you think in your heart Natalee is dead then what does a piece of paper do for you.  Does he need a death certificate for something we don't know about.

[Magnolia]

Something to consider regarding Dave..
Someone commented that he did not look well. Wasn't he in the hospital a year or so ago? I lost my husband a couple of years ago and am just now of a mind to tackle changing my will, etc. Perhaps, Dave has considered problems that could arise settling his estate with Natalee still missing...years of lawyers and court proceedings? A trip to the hospital can make one face the end of life issue. Maybe he is trying to do the right thing. Yes, maybe Beth should have been notified... maybe after all the stress of the last years he did not have the strength needed to see his daughter declared dead and to confront Beth. This cannot be easy for him. MOO

Sorry for your loss 7227.  What irked me the most was how Dave went about this decision.  There is always a way to do the right thing. Dave was going to do it anyway whether he had Beth's approval or not.  So why not give the mother of his daughter a heads up.  He had many ways to go about notifying Beth.  The way it was done was in poor taste.

We all know there is tension between Beth and Dave but in the end they have a son too.  You have to wonder what his son thinks of his move.

Dave has two other children.  If in his heart he wants to change a will or remove Natalee from any life insurance policies couldn't he just not name her as a beneficiary.  I'm sure the house he is living in is under his wife's name.

Is he doing it for closure reasons.  Does declaring someone dead really give one closure.  If you think in your heart Natalee is dead then what does a piece of paper do for you.  Does he need a death certificate for something we don't know about.

My thoughts exactly, San.

[San]

Thank you Magnolia.  I was trying to say it in a sensitive way without sounding so harsh.  I know a lot of times when I say things it comes out in a harsh way and I didn't want to sound like that (it's a NY thing  )

Everyone has put a lot of their blood, sweat and tears into this case and we all have become emotionally connected to Beth and Natalee.  So when this was done the way it was done it was a sad thing to see happen.

If Beth would have came out and said it's time for us to declare Natalee deceased, I think we would have all taken it better because the Mother was in agreement.

[texasmom]

Something to consider regarding Dave..
Someone commented that he did not look well. Wasn't he in the hospital a year or so ago? I lost my husband a couple of years ago and am just now of a mind to tackle changing my will, etc. Perhaps, Dave has considered problems that could arise settling his estate with Natalee still missing...years of lawyers and court proceedings? A trip to the hospital can make one face the end of life issue. Maybe he is trying to do the right thing. Yes, maybe Beth should have been notified... maybe after all the stress of the last years he did not have the strength needed to see his daughter declared dead and to confront Beth. This cannot be easy for him. MOO

I'm so sorry for your loss 7227.   

Yes, if Tim Miller and Steph Watts were correct Dave Holloway was in the hospital a year ago.  They talked about it on Steph Watts radio show.  I don't recall any other reports about Dave's illness.

There is a partial transcript of it here: 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8625.0

We were all concerned to hear that Dave was in the hospital and prayed for his recovery.  The further discussion about Natalee's case, specifically about Beth was despicable imo.  Every time I even think about it my blood pressure rises.

If Dave's reasons are as you've suggested, that would be understandable. 

From the beginning of it all it just seemed (to me) like this step would have been one that both of Natalee's parents would have made together. 

[texasmom]

http://www2.alabamas13.com/news/2011/sep/23/court-agrees-natalee-holloway-can-be-declared-dead-ar-2455397/?referer=http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2FqrGTVq&h=DAQAcEoxSAQCNc8w2ZZL2fq54O1lyGS-IDtEx63hQ4cTsww&shorturl=http://bit.ly/qrGTVq

Short video from the court proceeding



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Linda White Alabama's 13
Judge agrees to allow Natalee Holloway to be declared dead. The Mountain Brook teen went missing in May 2005. See this tory@5&6.http://bit.ly/qrGTVq

Court agrees Natalee Holloway can be declared dead
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Natalee Holloway’s father asked a court today to declare his daughter dead, a probate judge agreed.
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Judge will take into advisement and will issue a ruling later today or next week.
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Dave Holloway has finished testifying, in a probate hearing to ask that his daughter be declared dead.
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Natalee Holloway's Assets: College fund of $2000 wants to transfer to her brother Matt, a senior in college who needs the money. He has signed a waiver in relation to this case.
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Ad Lit em atty for Natalee Holloway, is asking Dave Holloway questions. She's been missing for 6 years, 4 months.
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The declaration of death signed by Beth Holloway was given to Aruban authorities. Kelly, Beth's atty, wanted to File declaration to make it easier in lawsuit.
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Beth Holloway's atty now asking questions, if he has specific info about Natalee's death. He said we have statements and video from Vandersloot, that Natalee is deceased.
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If you're just joining me, I'm covering a hearing to declare Natalee Holloway dead in Jefferson county Probate Court. Her father, Dave remains on the stand testifying, he believes she is dead, asking the court to declare her dead.
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Dave struggles, his voice breaking, to read an FBI report on the search for Natalee.
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Case is still an open investigation in Aruba. Dave Holloway said, there's Video of Vandersloot talking about that Natalee passed away iin vehicle and that Vandersloot or someone he knew disposed of Natalee's body.
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The Kalpoe brothers and Vandersloot were arrested, gave contradictory statements, then Holloways were informed, the missing case had turned into murder investigation.
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Dave viewed hotel cameras, she did not return to room, the last place she was seen @Carlos&Charlies, leaving with Kalpoe brothers and Joran Vandersloot.
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Both Dave and Beth Holloway, arrived on island and started extensive search. He was on island 30 days, spent 3-4 Months searching for her. That included Texas equi-search.
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Dave received call from son Matt at end of May, that Natalee was missing, she didn't come home from Aruba.
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Dave said Natalee was a straight "A" student, involved in school. She had never gone missing before...
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Dave Holloway breaks down into tears describing the last time he saw his daughter, that of high school graduation.
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Probate judge denies motion to continue, dave holloway taking the stand right now. He'sa aunthenticating an earlier affidavit signed by Beth Holloway to Dwclare Nbatalee dead, prepared by Beth Holloway's atty, John Kelly.
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Beth Holloway's atty asking for dismissal based on jurisdictional grounds, Natalee born in TN, Beth wasn't served appropriately, Beth has had sole custody since divorce.
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Court is reading over motion of continuance, then Dave Holloway's attys will respond.
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Holloway's team is filing a waiver, from Matt Edward Holloway, Natalee's brother. Beth's atty, is filing motion to continue. Beth giving speech in CA, her atty on case in Akron, OH.
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Judge is going over petition, file June 21st, publicized in local paper, procedurally everything in order. Beth Holloway served Sept 8th, so can proceed.
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Natalee'a father Dave Holloway entered the ctrm a few momenrs ago, the judge just entered, and ct is underway.
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Suspect Joran Vandersloot now sits in a Peruvian jail, charged with murdering a girl there.
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Holloway went missing on a trip to Aruba following her high school graduation with other Mtn Brook graduates.
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Good Morning & Happy Friday everyone. I'm in probate court covering a preliminary hearing to declare Natalee Holloway dead.
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[texasmom]

Something to consider regarding Dave..
Someone commented that he did not look well. Wasn't he in the hospital a year or so ago? I lost my husband a couple of years ago and am just now of a mind to tackle changing my will, etc. Perhaps, Dave has considered problems that could arise settling his estate with Natalee still missing...years of lawyers and court proceedings? A trip to the hospital can make one face the end of life issue. Maybe he is trying to do the right thing. Yes, maybe Beth should have been notified... maybe after all the stress of the last years he did not have the strength needed to see his daughter declared dead and to confront Beth. This cannot be easy for him. MOO

Sorry for your loss 7227.  What irked me the most was how Dave went about this decision.  There is always a way to do the right thing. Dave was going to do it anyway whether he had Beth's approval or not.  So why not give the mother of his daughter a heads up.  He had many ways to go about notifying Beth.  The way it was done was in poor taste.

We all know there is tension between Beth and Dave but in the end they have a son too.  You have to wonder what his son thinks of his move.

Dave has two other children.  If in his heart he wants to change a will or remove Natalee from any life insurance policies couldn't he just not name her as a beneficiary.  I'm sure the house he is living in is under his wife's name.

Is he doing it for closure reasons.  Does declaring someone dead really give one closure.  If you think in your heart Natalee is dead then what does a piece of paper do for you.  Does he need a death certificate for something we don't know about.

I agree.  In the Alabama 13 report, it states that Dave's attorney had tried to reach Beth and her attorney but from what I understand that was AFTER she was served because the attorney said in recent days or something like that.  But there were months since the first papers were drawn up, and before Beth was served that no attempt of communication had been made.  I just don't understand that.

 

[San]

Something to consider regarding Dave..
Someone commented that he did not look well. Wasn't he in the hospital a year or so ago? I lost my husband a couple of years ago and am just now of a mind to tackle changing my will, etc. Perhaps, Dave has considered problems that could arise settling his estate with Natalee still missing...years of lawyers and court proceedings? A trip to the hospital can make one face the end of life issue. Maybe he is trying to do the right thing. Yes, maybe Beth should have been notified... maybe after all the stress of the last years he did not have the strength needed to see his daughter declared dead and to confront Beth. This cannot be easy for him. MOO

Sorry for your loss 7227.  What irked me the most was how Dave went about this decision.  There is always a way to do the right thing. Dave was going to do it anyway whether he had Beth's approval or not.  So why not give the mother of his daughter a heads up.  He had many ways to go about notifying Beth.  The way it was done was in poor taste.

We all know there is tension between Beth and Dave but in the end they have a son too.  You have to wonder what his son thinks of his move.

Dave has two other children.  If in his heart he wants to change a will or remove Natalee from any life insurance policies couldn't he just not name her as a beneficiary.  I'm sure the house he is living in is under his wife's name.

Is he doing it for closure reasons.  Does declaring someone dead really give one closure.  If you think in your heart Natalee is dead then what does a piece of paper do for you.  Does he need a death certificate for something we don't know about.

I agree.  In the Alabama 13 report, it states that Dave's attorney had tried to reach Beth and her attorney but from what I understand that was AFTER she was served because the attorney said in recent days or something like that.  But there were months since the first papers were drawn up, and before Beth was served that no attempt of communication had been made.  I just don't understand that.

 

In my opinion I would have called a meeting with Beth and say we need to talk.  It only takes a phone call.  Beth could have then stated her case as to why she didn't want to do it and also Dave could have stated his as to why he wanted to do it.  Either way someone failed.  As soon as Dave had the thought in his head he should have called that meeting before filing or calling any lawyer.

[texasmom]

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Dave Holloway’s Attorney, Mark White said, "We had reached out to Mr. Kelly several times over the past several days.  There was prior counsel, local counsel, before Mr. DeBardeleben.  We had conversations with him, we invited discussions."

Dave Holloway asked for today's hearing to end medical insurance payments on Natalee and to give her college fund money to Natalee's brother.

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[texasmom]

Something to consider regarding Dave..
Someone commented that he did not look well. Wasn't he in the hospital a year or so ago? I lost my husband a couple of years ago and am just now of a mind to tackle changing my will, etc. Perhaps, Dave has considered problems that could arise settling his estate with Natalee still missing...years of lawyers and court proceedings? A trip to the hospital can make one face the end of life issue. Maybe he is trying to do the right thing. Yes, maybe Beth should have been notified... maybe after all the stress of the last years he did not have the strength needed to see his daughter declared dead and to confront Beth. This cannot be easy for him. MOO

Sorry for your loss 7227.  What irked me the most was how Dave went about this decision.  There is always a way to do the right thing. Dave was going to do it anyway whether he had Beth's approval or not.  So why not give the mother of his daughter a heads up.  He had many ways to go about notifying Beth.  The way it was done was in poor taste.

We all know there is tension between Beth and Dave but in the end they have a son too.  You have to wonder what his son thinks of his move.

Dave has two other children.  If in his heart he wants to change a will or remove Natalee from any life insurance policies couldn't he just not name her as a beneficiary.  I'm sure the house he is living in is under his wife's name.

Is he doing it for closure reasons.  Does declaring someone dead really give one closure.  If you think in your heart Natalee is dead then what does a piece of paper do for you.  Does he need a death certificate for something we don't know about.

I agree.  In the Alabama 13 report, it states that Dave's attorney had tried to reach Beth and her attorney but from what I understand that was AFTER she was served because the attorney said in recent days or something like that.  But there were months since the first papers were drawn up, and before Beth was served that no attempt of communication had been made.  I just don't understand that.

 

In my opinion I would have called a meeting with Beth and say we need to talk.  It only takes a phone call.  Beth could have then stated her case as to why she didn't want to do it and also Dave could have stated his as to why he wanted to do it.  Either way someone failed.  As soon as Dave had the thought in his head he should have called that meeting before filing or calling any lawyer.

Absolutely.