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« Reply #1720 on: June 17, 2011, 01:59:20 AM »

Exactly, Turbo. The question needs to be asked and answered in front of the jury. If George and Lee are excluded, it needs to be brought out.

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« Reply #1721 on: June 17, 2011, 02:01:45 AM »


Thanks, tm!! I heard it today from Jeff, but wasn't sure it was established through the witness.

I also heard it and think Ashton is smart enough to state what he knows as fact, otherwise he'd be ........well, he'd be like Baez

I have watched it and watched it. The witness NEVER said George was excluded and if you listen closely to the words Ashton choose and the reference he was making he didn't either. He was making a point, but not a statement of fact.
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« Reply #1722 on: June 17, 2011, 02:01:53 AM »

Still I wonder who Caylee's daddy is... I have never believed that "control freak" SinSin didn't push KC to fess up about who Caylee's daddy was. 

I'll bet it was a one-night stand where no names were exchanged and she never saw him again.  Very common behavior for many in their teens and early 20's.

true, but she frequented the same night clubs all the time right?  seems like she'd run into him again or even some of his friends etc.  There's something wrong for ICA NOT to manipulate the biodad.  She grabs every opportunity she can and doesn't care who it is so it leads me to believe he was someone the family would not approve of.  My friend swears ICA got pregnant during some wild group tryst!

I just know that if it were my daughter I would dang sure find out who the baby daddy was. If she were seeing an individual man I would first off ask if it was his. If not,  I would ask questions as to if my daughter was raped or taken advantage of. I would eventually know the facts, even if it was an "I do not know who he is" answer.  It only seems naturnal to know who the father of your G baby is....that is my opinion

I agree!  What if you ever needed this person to donate an organ or even had a question about hereditary illnesses.  I'd drag her my her pointy ears until she told me
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« Reply #1723 on: June 17, 2011, 02:02:01 AM »



All points presented by the prosecution say Casey is guilty.

Why give so much weight to Baez's smoke and mirrors? I have to believe the jury is intelligent and rational enough to see the obvious guilt of Crazy Casey.
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« Reply #1724 on: June 17, 2011, 02:02:10 AM »

Still I wonder who Caylee's daddy is... I have never believed that "control freak" SinSin didn't push KC to fess up about who Caylee's daddy was. 

I'll bet it was a one-night stand where no names were exchanged and she never saw him again.  Very common behavior for many in their teens and early 20's.

true, but she frequented the same night clubs all the time right?  seems like she'd run into him again or even some of his friends etc.  There's something wrong for ICA NOT to manipulate the biodad.  She grabs every opportunity she can and doesn't care who it is so it leads me to believe he was someone the family would not approve of.  My friend swears ICA got pregnant during some wild group tryst!

I just know that if it were my daughter I would dang sure find out who the baby daddy was. If she were seeing an individual man I would first off ask if it was his. If not,  I would ask questions as to if my daughter was raped or taken advantage of. I would eventually know the facts, even if it was an "I do not know who he is" answer.  It only seems naturnal to know who the father of your G baby is....that is my opinion

Hi Shell!!  That's my opinion, too! It seems to me there were many things that the Ants tolerated from KC with a "hands off" attitude. Even in the jail videos, once KC pitched a fit, everybody just backed off.
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« Reply #1725 on: June 17, 2011, 02:04:04 AM »

Exactly, Turbo. The question needs to be asked and answered in front of the jury. If George and Lee are excluded, it needs to be brought out.



The witness did say Lee was excluded so the samples were not sent to the UNT lab which did the statistical component, but she did not say George was or that is DNA was not sent to that lab. We may have a bombshell yet. LOL
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« Reply #1726 on: June 17, 2011, 02:04:55 AM »



All points presented by the prosecution say Casey is guilty.

Why give so much weight to Baez's smoke and mirrors? I have to believe the jury is intelligent and rational enough to see the obvious guilt of Crazy Casey.

I sure hope they do.  If she walks or even gets minimal time I will lose all faith in our justice system!
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« Reply #1727 on: June 17, 2011, 02:06:14 AM »



All points presented by the prosecution say Casey is guilty.

Why give so much weight to Baez's smoke and mirrors? I have to believe the jury is intelligent and rational enough to see the obvious guilt of Crazy Casey.

See, I do too. I don't believe for a minute that the jury is so dumb as to fall for all that BS. I will say with the exception of the farmville lady. That poor woman may have me fooled, but she sounded dumber than a box of rocks in the jury selection process.
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« Reply #1728 on: June 17, 2011, 02:08:16 AM »

Exactly, Turbo. The question needs to be asked and answered in front of the jury. If George and Lee are excluded, it needs to be brought out.



The witness did say Lee was excluded so the samples were not sent to the UNT lab which did the statistical component, but she did not say George was or that is DNA was not sent to that lab. We may have a bombshell yet. LOL

Right......... Lee's excluded. I would think the jury has a much bigger question about George because of the defense's opening statement. If it turned out that George was Daddy to Caylee, the defense would prove their claim that KC was molested by him. If I recall, George wasn't even asked to submit a sample for DNA, was he?
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« Reply #1729 on: June 17, 2011, 02:08:20 AM »



All points presented by the prosecution say Casey is guilty.

Why give so much weight to Baez's smoke and mirrors? I have to believe the jury is intelligent and rational enough to see the obvious guilt of Crazy Casey.

See, I do too. I don't believe for a minute that the jury is so dumb as to fall for all that BS. I will say with the exception of the farmville lady. That poor woman may have me fooled, but she sounded dumber than a box of rocks in the jury selection process.
made me think of South Park episode / Farmville LOL  Hubby made me watch it.
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« Reply #1730 on: June 17, 2011, 02:09:33 AM »



All points presented by the prosecution say Casey is guilty.

Why give so much weight to Baez's smoke and mirrors? I have to believe the jury is intelligent and rational enough to see the obvious guilt of Crazy Casey.

See, I do too. I don't believe for a minute that the jury is so dumb as to fall for all that BS. I will say with the exception of the farmville lady. That poor woman may have me fooled, but she sounded dumber than a box of rocks in the jury selection process.

At this point, I just hope juror #4 isn't strong willed and stubborn!
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« Reply #1731 on: June 17, 2011, 02:10:03 AM »

Mark Hopkins - by the way, I don't think Caylee resembled him at all. 




I can't decide from just one pic, more than likely he isn't. I think it was the nose and eye-brows that had us wanting to see another picture.

Then again I'm not too great at this as I still can't see a family resemblence when it comes to kc. 

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« Reply #1732 on: June 17, 2011, 02:10:50 AM »



I only saw a small portion of court proceedings today and have not gotten to watch tapes...what was the point made about the shorts? Something about the size? Was it the size of the shorts Caylee's remains were found wearing, or what?
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« Reply #1733 on: June 17, 2011, 02:14:36 AM »



I only saw a small portion of court proceedings today and have not gotten to watch tapes...what was the point made about the shorts? Something about the size? Was it the size of the shorts Caylee's remains were found wearing, or what?

I couldn't watch all of it today, Shell, but if it helps, there was a point made that the plaid shorts were worn by Caylee when she was younger (there's a video of her in them playing with KC on the floor) and that whoever dressed her was not familiar with what size she was currently wearing.
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« Reply #1734 on: June 17, 2011, 02:19:45 AM »



All points presented by the prosecution say Casey is guilty.

Why give so much weight to Baez's smoke and mirrors? I have to believe the jury is intelligent and rational enough to see the obvious guilt of Crazy Casey.

See, I do too. I don't believe for a minute that the jury is so dumb as to fall for all that BS. I will say with the exception of the farmville lady. That poor woman may have me fooled, but she sounded dumber than a box of rocks in the jury selection process.

At this point, I just hope juror #4 isn't strong willed and stubborn!

I see farmville lady in a different light I think. She probably either reads her Bible regularly and/or goes to church and is a kind person. She likes to play computer games as do hundreds of thousands if not millions of other people-why prejudge the woman because she does not want to judge others and likes to play farmville? She sounded shy to me. I am not so sure she even said enough to opine if she was dumb or not.
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« Reply #1735 on: June 17, 2011, 02:21:19 AM »


Sorry Turbo, I didn't realize the link wouldn't go straight to that video!   Embarassed

It's the Part 6 Video from today, I should have added that detail as well.

Thanks but now I am really confused. I thought that might have cleared up the George question but......Ashton was choosing his words very carefully and his objection was there was an inference intended. He said "While it would be correct for him to say by looking at the profiles of Lee & George Anthony they can be excluded but that is not what he asked." He did not say they WERE excluded...... In other words, he was saying IF that is what the profiles said it was okay, but if you notice they NEVER asked her about George. She said Lee was excluded but not George.

From my understanding...I think the inference he was upset about was that the question made it appear that the State or Orange County had requested the test...making it appear that they thought Lee might be the father (and furthering his OS about Lee).  They made no such request, and that's what he was hot about.  It was another FBI agent that requested the test.

His exact words about the test:

"While counsel is correct that by looking at the DNA profiles that were run, Mr. Lee Anthony and George Anthony could be excluded as potential fathers for Caylee, but to ask that question suggesting that law enforcement specifically inquired is not a good faith question."

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« Reply #1736 on: June 17, 2011, 02:23:35 AM »



I only saw a small portion of court proceedings today and have not gotten to watch tapes...what was the point made about the shorts? Something about the size? Was it the size of the shorts Caylee's remains were found wearing, or what?

I couldn't watch all of it today, Shell, but if it helps, there was a point made that the plaid shorts were worn by Caylee when she was younger (there's a video of her in them playing with KC on the floor) and that whoever dressed her was not familiar with what size she was currently wearing.

Well whoop tee do! That reasoning amounts to nothing. Were they trying to say George put her clothes on? So what! And kids are dressed according to what fits!, not what the label says..sheesh, I need to find the video of what point was trying to be made.
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« Reply #1737 on: June 17, 2011, 02:23:48 AM »

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I couldn't watch all of it today, Shell, but if it helps, there was a point made that the plaid shorts were worn by Caylee when she was younger (there's a video of her in them playing with KC on the floor) and that whoever dressed her was not familiar with what size she was currently wearing.

One quick comment on the shorts then I'm off to bed.  When my son was little (around 2-2 1/2) I saved all of his shorts for when he got out of diapers.  So say he wore a 24mo's he could still wear them later because of the extra room of not having the diapers in there.  I hope that makes logical sense, very tired...ZZZZZZ.
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« Reply #1738 on: June 17, 2011, 02:27:06 AM »


Sorry Turbo, I didn't realize the link wouldn't go straight to that video!   Embarassed

It's the Part 6 Video from today, I should have added that detail as well.

Thanks but now I am really confused. I thought that might have cleared up the George question but......Ashton was choosing his words very carefully and his objection was there was an inference intended. He said "While it would be correct for him to say by looking at the profiles of Lee & George Anthony they can be excluded but that is not what he asked." He did not say they WERE excluded...... In other words, he was saying IF that is what the profiles said it was okay, but if you notice they NEVER asked her about George. She said Lee was excluded but not George.

From my understanding...I think the inference he was upset about was that the question made it appear that the State or Orange County had requested the test...making it appear that they thought Lee might be the father (and furthering his OS about Lee).  They made no such request, and that's what he was hot about.  It was another FBI agent that requested the test.

His exact words about the test:

"While counsel is correct that by looking at the DNA profiles that were run, Mr. Lee Anthony and George Anthony could be excluded as potential fathers for Caylee, but to ask that question suggesting that law enforcement specifically inquired is not a good faith question."

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« Reply #1739 on: June 17, 2011, 02:31:01 AM »


I come in peace.

 

I offer you the "red pill"

George is the daddy.

Swallow it, if only for one day. See how many problems it solves.


All the other guys were Casey's "blue pill" fantasies. Like Zanny, imaginary.

I'm behind (as usual) but through all the aggravation today, this was one statement that stood out to me.  I'm sure someone else has probably commented on it as well, but just in case.

Jeff Ashton said in his argument that both Lee and George could be excluded as potential fathers of Caylee by the DNA profiles that were run.

http://www.wftv.com/video/28258337/index.html

This statement starts at 23:43 (Part 6)

Added location per tm's request.

I heart you guys too. ...and I'm not too proud to "sit on it" like Potsy when my ship is sunk.

Jeff Ashton "while counsel is correct, that by looking at the dna profiles that were run, Mr. Lee Anthony and George Anthony COULD both be excluded as potential father's for Caylee"

...but they BOTH were not.

To this day, only Lee has been excluded as the father.

Also, did you notice that Jeff lied to us?... because that is not precisely what counsel said. Jose only asked about Lee.

Jeff was tossing a mind bomb out there... and it appears to have had some success.

Ashton is dancing around the edges, as close as he can get, without falling in.

I am waiting for the day when he says:

"Lee AND George Anthony WERE BOTH EXCLUDED AS THE FATHER OF Caylee."

He needs to commit. Why? Why won't he do it? I believe he can't.

I believe we will never hear it or see it.... but who knows...  ::justice2NJ::
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