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Question: Will the defense put Casey on to testify?  (Voting closed: June 19, 2011, 04:57:26 AM)
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Author Topic: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 21 - 6/17/11  (Read 504099 times)
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« Reply #660 on: June 17, 2011, 11:59:24 AM »

We will be in lunch recess shortly
Don't have much of an appetite right now.

O God I know, ugh....especially difficult discussion when we and the jury realize we are discussing this in terms of a murdered beautiful baby girl
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« Reply #661 on: June 17, 2011, 11:59:47 AM »

Baez Wants to Break for lunch- so he can call a friend... he needs some serious help!

I think the jury feels a difference in the atmosphere now that the defense is running the show - sorta speak...
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« Reply #662 on: June 17, 2011, 12:00:09 PM »

bozo just wants to have some words with this witness so he figures he would break for lunch
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« Reply #663 on: June 17, 2011, 12:00:43 PM »

I hope they serve KC ham, rice, & black-eyed peas.
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« Reply #664 on: June 17, 2011, 12:01:27 PM »

Just a visit into reality for a second: 31 days, in Florida in the summer had passed since Caylee had laid dead in that trunk. Casey had access to the car during that time, trying to get rid of the smell. Car washes have vacuums, and cleaners with chemicals. George drove the car. Cindy opened every orifice of the car and cleaned it as well.

All of that occurred before LE confiscated the car. "Thousands" of blowflies swarming in the trunk is NOT consistent with the events that happened.
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« Reply #665 on: June 17, 2011, 12:01:44 PM »

Is the jury still out of the room or are they hearing this?
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« Reply #666 on: June 17, 2011, 12:02:13 PM »

10:10 Friday, June 17, 2011 Court is in session.

Back from a 10 minute break.

The defense witness is till Dr. Timothy Huntington.

Baez is up.............

The witness is going to Baez's Big Pad.  How does all this tell you how long a person has been deceased?  It all has to do with temperature.  If you know the stages of the insect and the temperature you can figure out how long it takes till the next stage.  It is basically a mathematical finding of the stages, species of the sample, developmental rates and the temperature.  Baez just asked him about "live human cadavers".  He has done studies on decomposition in the trunk of a car.  Showing a big photo of a car.  He conduced research in November of last year.  He received cars from a junkyard and got them icky.  He wanted to find out what kind of a barrier a trunk would cause to insects.  He placed bodies of pigs in the trunks of cars.  He didn't use any Pontiac Sun Fires.  This car was the most intact vehicle of the one's that were donated.  He inspected the trunk of the Pontiac Sun fire in this Case in July of 2009.  He looked for spaces and gaps to allow insects to pass through.  Back to the car in the big photo.  He placed a dead pig in the trunk of the car in September in Nebraska and waited and watched for insect colonization of the pig remains.  He did not camp out there, he was busy teaching but he did check it daily.  The weather was cool and rainy.  Insects being cold blooded, are not active in cold weather and rain greatly suppresses insect activity.  If you are a tiny insect, one drop of rain is like a 50 gallon bucket coming down on you.  Yes, he is saying all of this, lol.  Next big photo is the back window, blowflies are lining the windows.  This photo was taken on day 10 in September in Nebraska.  It is cooler in Nebraska in September than it is in the summer in Florida, yep he really said it. lol.  Blowflies show up soon after death, minutes after.  If you have a heart attack in a hammock they will be on you in minutes.  He has timed them at 13 seconds.  The fact that the flies in the car are now dead is important.  They go through there life cycle and die inside the closed container, they do not fight their way out.  They want to get in to the dead body more than they ever want to leave. Next big photo is of decomposed remains of a pig on day 11.  Covered in maggots, crawling away from the pig and looking for a place to pupate. The black material is decomp fluid, body fluids, body waste, maggot waste.  Is that stain distinguishable?  When you see a stain like this.........side bar.......
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« Reply #667 on: June 17, 2011, 12:02:28 PM »

I hope they serve KC ham, rice, & black-eyed peas.

i'm sure she'd eat it right up.  This sure doesn't seem to bother her at all.
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« Reply #668 on: June 17, 2011, 12:03:04 PM »

Thank you Magic..you are the best!
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« Reply #669 on: June 17, 2011, 12:03:22 PM »

Well I feel better thinking that the Jury has to look over the testimony and evidence...

How Many Officers and experts testified they KNOW what Decompostion smalls like! And that they Smelled it IN CASEYS TRUNK>..
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« Reply #670 on: June 17, 2011, 12:04:09 PM »

Is the jury still out of the room or are they hearing this?

They had been brought back in.
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« Reply #671 on: June 17, 2011, 12:04:33 PM »

Well I feel better thinking that the Jury has to look over the testimony and evidence...

How Many Officers and experts testified they KNOW what Decompostion smalls like! And that they Smelled it IN CASEYS TRUNK>..
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« Reply #672 on: June 17, 2011, 12:04:33 PM »

Isnt there a Picture of the STAIN in the car??

yes and he just said, outside the presence of the jury, that based on what he saw not consistant with decomp. body OR extensive professional cleaning would have had to have been done. 

Judge said - un uh.  Can't say that.

Cindy Vacummed and cleaned and cleaned the car (probably Dumped that vacumme somewhere)... and the other Bug expert said it was on the paper towels!


I hope the state keeps their cool and ask the right questions!

Cindy said she cleaned out the car but she did NOT vaccum the car.
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« Reply #673 on: June 17, 2011, 12:05:51 PM »

Is the jury still out of the room or are they hearing this?

They had been brought back in.

Thank you CBB.

I can't imagine the jury is going to have much of an appetite for lunch.

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« Reply #674 on: June 17, 2011, 12:06:00 PM »

Just a visit into reality for a second: 31 days, in Florida in the summer had passed since Caylee had laid dead in that trunk. Casey had access to the car during that time, trying to get rid of the smell. Car washes have vacuums, and cleaners with chemicals. George drove the car. Cindy opened every orifice of the car and cleaned it as well.

All of that occurred before LE confiscated the car. "Thousands" of blowflies swarming in the trunk is NOT consistent with the events that happened.

so gross but does did you catch when they crawl off the body?  B/c I'm thinking if the bugs were still on the body, why wouldn't they go with her when she was dumped?  Or, if she wasn't initially in the car at death, maybe they crawled off prior to being moved to the car.   It all goes to the time frame for length of time she was in the car and when she was actually put in the car. 
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« Reply #675 on: June 17, 2011, 12:07:21 PM »

did he say it takes 10 days at 70 degree weather to get to maggot stage? would they be at maggot stage at 2.5 days of decomposition? Did he remove the pig from the trunk after 2.5 days, clean up decomp stain over several days and take pictures of the flies and count the population of the maggots? So much Id want to know as juror.
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« Reply #676 on: June 17, 2011, 12:07:50 PM »

Cindy cleaned the trunk out. Why don't the In Session people mention that when talking about how surprised they are that there wasn't more bugs in the trunk. Did they forget that already? Drives me crazy!! Maybe I should log back out today.   
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« Reply #677 on: June 17, 2011, 12:08:19 PM »

Anyone hear about Saturday yet, half or full day?
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« Reply #678 on: June 17, 2011, 12:08:42 PM »

Just a visit into reality for a second: 31 days, in Florida in the summer had passed since Caylee had laid dead in that trunk. Casey had access to the car during that time, trying to get rid of the smell. Car washes have vacuums, and cleaners with chemicals. George drove the car. Cindy opened every orifice of the car and cleaned it as well.

All of that occurred before LE confiscated the car. "Thousands" of blowflies swarming in the trunk is NOT consistent with the events that happened.

so gross but does did you catch when they crawl off the body?  B/c I'm thinking if the bugs were still on the body, why wouldn't they go with her when she was dumped?  Or, if she wasn't initially in the car at death, maybe they crawled off prior to being moved to the car.   It all goes to the time frame for length of time she was in the car and when she was actually put in the car. 

I hope the jury Compares the other Bug DR that said... the body was in the trunk 2.5 days and was thrown out in a hurry-he explaned the growth thoroughly
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« Reply #679 on: June 17, 2011, 12:10:25 PM »

did he say it takes 10 days at 70 degree weather to get to maggot stage? would they be at maggot stage at 2.5 days of decomposition? Did he remove the pig from the trunk after 2.5 days, clean up decomp stain over several days and take pictures of the flies and count the population of the maggots? So much Id want to know as juror.
Before he could give it a final analysis Kronk stole it.
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