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« Reply #640 on: April 20, 2007, 12:15:20 AM »

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Yes, it's a shame Dan removed so many posts, too.  He did a lot of mine after he banned me.  Same for Professor and ProudRedNeck and others he got mad at.

But there is still a lot of info there and especially early on.  We had lots from Aruba posting at first.

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Yup when you googled NH you ran right into RWV. Sad because thats the last of the info that we really heard about this case. We havent really learned anything about what happened to Natalee since then. We heard a good year of lies and mis-information and since then silence.

BTW:I beleave that deepak story..No reason I shouldnt since dan layed into me for questioning him. Sounds like Natalee needed help walking after dipshit went back into the bar and escorted her out..
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« Reply #641 on: April 20, 2007, 12:16:50 AM »

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I got into a bit of an argument with Dan about that in emails.  I didn't believe him at first.  I do think he was really in touch with a MB kid who said he saw every bit of that now, however.  And he claimed to be at the time.  Very detailed information and I think that is the thing about which he posted he had a $900 phone bill.

He discounted my sources so I discounted him right back.  But looking back now, I wonder if this is true and someone did see Deepak escorting Natalee out bu the arm as Dan has always claimed.  Very interesting and why would Deepak be doing that?  Obviously Natalee was drugged at that point and maybe they feared somebody noticing and they would get in trouble.

Or was Deepak REALLY interested in Joran's conquest of the night for some reason of his own.

It is interesting and I would like to know if verified elsewhere like the FBI or someone in a position of authority.

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« Reply #642 on: April 20, 2007, 12:22:41 AM »

I always thought that Joran, being devious as opposed to intelligent, had thought about all this from twenty times before and had all manner of Plan B's in his mellon head.

I very well think he may have sent Deepak back to get Natalee so that Deepak would be the last one officially seen with her or at least Joran was hoping that this story would be told and Deepak made out to be the culprit in anything that happened after that.

I don't think Joran is smart enough to think up these things right on the spot but do think he had criminal law as a hobby and thought of them over a long period of time.  Also as a result of his having done this so many times before.

He had thought of every possible contingency and a devious way around it.  Perhaps he told Deepak he couldn't get her to the car and Deepak went to give it a try himself.

Makes you wonder just why Deepak was so interested and helpful like that.

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« Reply #643 on: April 20, 2007, 12:24:58 AM »

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*******,

I got into a bit of an argument with Dan about that in emails.  I didn't believe him at first.  I do think he was really in touch with a MB kid who said he saw every bit of that now, however.  And he claimed to be at the time.  Very detailed information and I think that is the thing about which he posted he had a $900 phone bill.

He discounted my sources so I discounted him right back.  But looking back now, I wonder if this is true and someone did see Deepak escorting Natalee out bu the arm as Dan has always claimed.  Very interesting and why would Deepak be doing that?  Obviously Natalee was drugged at that point and maybe they feared somebody noticing and they would get in trouble.

Or was Deepak REALLY interested in Joran's conquest of the night for some reason of his own.

It is interesting and I would like to know if verified elsewhere like the FBI or someone in a position of authority.

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Dave in a recent chat hinted that it may be true..Sounds to me like NH was disoriented and went back in the bar as the drugs took affect. Deepak swopped in 10 minutes later and she was almost mush by then. Easy pickens.. 20 minutes later after that she was prolly out cold..

I always thought it was joran's conquest..But since then I think this was a pimp event.Well these were bold kids..They could do just about anything and get away with it..They drugged a few girls before NH and they knew they could just say she was drunk or whatever..
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« Reply #644 on: April 20, 2007, 12:28:25 AM »

Yes, I fear you are right that it was a Pimp Event.  And I also think the Pimps had enough of the "elders" to guarantee they would never be prosecuted no matter what they did.

Seems to be working really well for them so far, too.  All you need are some adults as evil as these kids and then anything goes.

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« Reply #645 on: April 20, 2007, 12:31:05 AM »

Some today were asking what people might fear.  One thing that comes to my mind is being the victim of a "suicide by hanging" which seems to happen an abnormal amount in Aruba.

Remember the father of Lorenzo (whom I happen to think has nothing to do with this and is not Joran's half brother or connected in any way) died by alleged suicide by hanging so perhaps there is a connection to some of these oddities.

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« Reply #646 on: April 20, 2007, 12:32:27 AM »

Yeh I think it was a group effort..Deepak was interested cause it was a pimp conquest..They were gonna video tape this one to show just how great they are..Freddy,Sander,Koen and GVC were probably in the white car and guido showed up later.They showed up right before closing time on NH'S last night..Joran spiked her drink as Natalee would of never let deepak get that close..Satish was just along for the fun..When she went back into the bar it was deepak's turn to do his part..And yeh..LOL..Joran prolly said dude she's out of it she walked back in like a zombie..Give it 10 minutes and go get her..

Notice how Joran never mentioned this or stopping at another bar..
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« Reply #647 on: April 20, 2007, 12:33:41 AM »

Well, I think we have emptied the cage.  Not much of a mess for Tibro today, thank Goodness!

Heading off to the Monkey Bunkey!

Goodnight ******* and any others still here!


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« Reply #648 on: April 20, 2007, 12:36:37 AM »

I agree..Lots of Intimidation on that island.. For some reason I think those Kalpoe brothers got alot of it..As we saw hints of it in that police van..

I see Bon Dia has a big article about pitbull today..Wish I could read it Sad
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« Reply #649 on: April 20, 2007, 12:37:19 AM »

Klaas:

I couldn't sleep and I'm glad you're here.

Do you think it's possible to delete the argumentive posts that
are on the photo evaluation thread?    I think that it gives the
wrong impression and casts a bad shadow on the work that is
being conducted by Carpe.  I hope you don't mind my asking
but, I think it would be best... don't you.

Carpe and I have had disagreements before and we know
one another well enough to know that we can disagree without
it becoming a big issue... however, others may not see it that
way.

Thanks...
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« Reply #650 on: April 20, 2007, 12:37:30 AM »

Nighty Night.. Make sure you kiss each and every puppy a good night. Cool
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« Reply #651 on: April 20, 2007, 12:40:30 AM »

Just this minute on the Jerry Doyle Show on the Patriot Station on internet broadcasting he said the Natalee Holloway story was a perfect example of how the family was drug out and exposed in an abusive manner and no one things of what they are going through, etc.

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Yes, this has become a standard for miscarriage of justice and putting a family through it!  It is working its way even into the language and Aruba is going to become the Icon for abusing the family of a victim.

He was speaking in outrage of the tapes of that Cho being shown and how callous this was for the families of the victim and it causes copycats, etc.  and he just now used the Natalee Holloway story as an example of the media abusing families along with those responsible for the crime.

This has become a standard for miscarriage of justice and a horrible abuse of a family.  I hope Aruba realizes this.  They are now a part of the English language for abusing victims and their families!

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« Reply #652 on: April 20, 2007, 12:47:45 AM »

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Just this minute on the Jerry Doyle Show on the Patriot Station on internet broadcasting he said the Natalee Holloway story was a perfect example of how the family was drug out and exposed in an abusive manner and no one things of what they are going through, etc.

 Shocked

Yes, this has become a standard for miscarriage of justice and putting a family through it!  It is working its way even into the language and Aruba is going to become the Icon for abusing the family of a victim.

He was speaking in outrage of the tapes of that Cho being shown and how callous this was for the families of the victim and it causes copycats, etc.  and he just now used the Natalee Holloway story as an example of the media abusing families along with those responsible for the crime.

This has become a standard for miscarriage of justice and a horrible abuse of a family.  I hope Aruba realizes this.  They are now a part of the English language for abusing victims and their families!

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That's great...  it's good to see that Aruba is still on the minds of people in
the media.  I agree with the things he said and some of the coverage of
Cho has been highly offensive.  It's like they want to give us an excuse
for his actions and IMO there is no excuse.
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« Reply #653 on: April 20, 2007, 12:48:21 AM »

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Klaas:

I couldn't sleep and I'm glad you're here.

Do you think it's possible to delete the argumentive posts that
are on the photo evaluation thread?    I think that it gives the
wrong impression and casts a bad shadow on the work that is
being conducted by Carpe.  I hope you don't mind my asking
but, I think it would be best... don't you.

Carpe and I have had disagreements before and we know
one another well enough to know that we can disagree without
it becoming a big issue... however, others may not see it that
way.

Thanks...

Acutally that was a good idea - it's done.
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« Reply #654 on: April 20, 2007, 12:48:28 AM »

I also heard on talk radio within the last week it used again by either Dr Laura Schlessinger or Laura Ingraham forgot which one as an example of how to rally people behind a cause.

Yes, Aruba now has a new meaning in the language.  It now means abuse of a victim and her family instead of just some tiny island.  That is twice in a week in relation to totally unrelated things, just as a routine part of the language.  Refer to Aruba and it means corrupt law enforcement and abuse of victims.

So they have a new status in the vernacular!   Evil or Very Mad

OK, really off to the Monkey Bunkey this time!  

Observe, OK, will give each pup a kiss and a hug but that will take a while there are so many, most I have ever had at one time.  What a time for a dog food recall!

Good night, all.

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« Reply #655 on: April 20, 2007, 12:52:31 AM »

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Quote from: "Patti"
Klaas:

I couldn't sleep and I'm glad you're here.

Do you think it's possible to delete the argumentive posts that
are on the photo evaluation thread?    I think that it gives the
wrong impression and casts a bad shadow on the work that is
being conducted by Carpe.  I hope you don't mind my asking
but, I think it would be best... don't you.

Carpe and I have had disagreements before and we know
one another well enough to know that we can disagree without
it becoming a big issue... however, others may not see it that
way.

Thanks...

Acutally that was a good idea - it's done.


Klaas:

Thanks so much!!!

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Carpe:

You know I appreciate everything you do.  


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« Reply #656 on: April 20, 2007, 12:52:54 AM »

Nite Anna and Patti
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« Reply #657 on: April 20, 2007, 12:54:10 AM »

I'm calling it a night as well.

GOODNIGHT ALL!
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« Reply #658 on: April 20, 2007, 05:51:03 AM »

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You know, one would think at SOME point that Deepak and/or Satish would have taken the money and RUN... nab themselves a fat book or interview contract, and get out of Dodge posthaste.

They haven't.

Wonder what they are scared of...


Not being Dutch?  How about not even being Aruban citizens?  If Deepak can't even wrangle a work permit, perhaps he is more worried about deportation?
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« Reply #659 on: April 20, 2007, 05:58:39 AM »

Diario
http://www.diarioaruba.com/
Amigoe
http://www.amigoe.com/english/
BonDia
http://www.cspnv.com/
Solo di Pueblo
http://www.solodipueblo.com/
Aruba Today
http://www.arubatoday.com/
Translator:
http://papiamentu.donamaro.nl
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