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OT.....
Anna
, thank you for the advice. The fence is around most of our yard but mostly the back of the house, with a gate on either side of the house and one at the driveway toward the back. It's a chain-link fence, and we have those clips to lock each gate. Unfortunately, the electric, cable & phone wires are located within the fencing. The dodo's took the clips off two gates and left one gate open. Spring/summer project, signs. MIL always had 'beware of dog'
Since they came to the door & I was home, I made sure to check when they left.
Was Anita maybe defending her property?
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From RU - translation by HannieC - excerpt from Joran's book and a list of the chapters:
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De Zaak Natalee Holloway
Mijn eigen verhaal over haar verdwijning op Aruba
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The Natalee Holloway Case
My own story about her disappearance on Aruba
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In mei 2005 verdwijnt op Aruba een Amerikaans meisje: Natalee Holloway (1.
Na een nachtje stappen met Joran van der Sloot (17) en zijn twee vrienden lijkt zij van de aardbodem verdwenen.
Joran van der Sloot wordt al snel aangehouden. Hij vertelt de politie eerst dat hij Natalee 's nachts naar haar hotel heeft gebracht - maar in werkelijkheid heeft hij haar alleen op het strand achtergelaten.
In may 2005 an American girl disappears on Aruba: Natalee Holloway (1
After a night out with Joran van der Sloot and two of his friends, she seemed to have disappeared on the face of the earth.
Joran van der Sloot is been arrested pretty quick. First he tells the police that he brought Natalee back to her hotel that night- but in reality he left her alone on the beach.
De ouders van Natalee beginnen een enorm mediaoffensief om te achterhalen wat er met hun dochter is gebeurd. Tot op heden heeft noch de Arubaanse of Nederlandse politie, noch de fbi een spoor van haar gevonden.
The parents of Natalee are starting an enormous media offensive, to find out what happened to their daughter. Until now nor the Aruban, Dutch police, nor the FBI have found any trace of her.
In dit boek onthult Joran van der Sloot (Arnhem, 1987) alles over zijn leven en zijn ontmoeting met Natalee. Hij vertelt onder meer over de drie maanden in de Arubaanse gevangenis, de politieverhoren, de impact van de Amerikaanse media en geeft zijn visie op haar verdwijning.
In this book Joran van der Sloot ( Arnhem, 1987, place of birth) tells anything about his life and his meeting with Natalee. He tells about the three months he spent in the Aruban prison, the interrogations, the impact of the American media, and gives his vision about her disappearance.
Zvezdana Vukojevic (Amsterdam, 1978) studeerde aan de School voor Journalistiek in Utrecht en aan de San Francisco State University. Ze werkte voor HP/De Tijd, Algemeen Dagblad en het bbc 1 tv-programma Panorama; nu werkt ze voor Nieuwe Revu.
Zvezdana Vukojevic ( Amsterdam, 1978) studied at the School for Journalistics in Utrecht and at the San Francisco State University. She worked among others for HP/De Tijd, Algemeen Dagblad, and the BBC program Panorama; now she works for Nieuwe Revu.
De Zaak Natalee Holloway is het resultaat van een serie uitputtende interviews met Joran van der Sloot en het raadplegen van talloze schriftelijke bronnen, waaronder het strafdossier.
The Case of Natalee Holloway is the result of a serie of exhausting interviews with Joran van der Sloot and numerous written sources, among which the case files.
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Inhoud
Contents
Woord vooraf 9
Forword 9
Inleiding 12
Introduction 12
1 Island boy 15
2 Een Amerikaanse school op Aruba 26
An American School on Aruba
3 Uitgaan in Carlos 'n Charlie's 35 Going out to Carlos and Charlie's
4 De pimps 45
The Pimps
5 Vriendinnen 50
Girlfriends
6 Gokken 58
Gambling
7 Natalee Holloway 63
Natalee Holloway
8 Joran ontmoet Natalee 76
Joran meets Natalee
9 De leugens 96
The Lies
10 Gearresteerd 137
Arrested
11 Doorbraak door beste vriend Freddy 152 Break ( in the case) because of best friend Freddy
12 Niet Deepak, maar Satish haalde Joran op 163
Not Deepak, but Satish picked up Joran
13 Jeugdafdeling van de KIA 174
Youth Department of KIA
14 Geslagen door de politie 194
Hit by the police
15 Rechercheurs uit Nederland 217
Detectives from Holland
16 Halsoverkop naar Nederland 239
In a hurry to Holland
17 Twee nieuwe verdachten 243
Two new suspects
18 In de val gelokt 257
Lured into a trap
19 Het ABC-interview 275
The ABC - Interview
20 Topadvocaat Joe Tacopina 287
Top Lawyer Joe Tacopina
21 De hetze van de Amerikaanse pers 294
The .....( don`t know what "hetze" means in English) of the American Press
22 De inbraak en Peter R. de Vries 310
The burglary and Peter R. de Vries
23 Theorieën 325
Theories
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Afternoon Monkeys, thanks for posting the info about the book
Klaas
. I wonder if this chapter is going to open Joran up to a liable suit?
22 De inbraak en Peter R. de Vries 310
The burglary and Peter R. de Vries
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The Case of Natalee Holloway is the result of a serie of
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I bet they were 'exhausting'
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21 De hetze van de Amerikaanse pers 294 The .....( don`t know what "hetze" means in English) of the American Press
*****
Babelfish - nothing Dutch to English, but German to English says hetze = rush, which would make sense, but then, Hannie might know better...
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Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
21 De hetze van de Amerikaanse pers 294 The .....( don`t know what "hetze" means in English) of the American Press
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Babelfish - nothing Dutch to English, but German to English says hetze = rush, which would make sense, but then, Hannie might know better...
Dutch to English dictionary by word:
Hetze = agitation
http://www.wordgumbo.com/ie/ger/dut/erduteng.htm
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Need to pick up my car and then go to the grocery store. Be back in a while
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Quote from: "klaasend"
http://tinyurl.com/339xbz
http://tinyurl.com/2s33nh
From RU - translation by HannieC - excerpt from Joran's book and a list of the chapters:
{edited}
1 Island boy 15
2 Een Amerikaanse school op Aruba 26
An American School on Aruba
3 Uitgaan in Carlos 'n Charlie's 35 Going out to Carlos and Charlie's
4 De pimps 45
The Pimps
5 Vriendinnen 50
Girlfriends
6 Gokken 58
Gambling
7 Natalee Holloway 63
Natalee Holloway
8 Joran ontmoet Natalee 76
Joran meets Natalee
9 De leugens 96
The Lies
10 Gearresteerd 137
Arrested
11 Doorbraak door beste vriend Freddy 152 Break ( in the case) because of best friend Freddy
12 Niet Deepak, maar Satish haalde Joran op 163
Not Deepak, but Satish picked up Joran
13 Jeugdafdeling van de KIA 174
Youth Department of KIA
14 Geslagen door de politie 194
Hit by the police
15 Rechercheurs uit Nederland 217
Detectives from Holland
16 Halsoverkop naar Nederland 239
In a hurry to Holland
17 Twee nieuwe verdachten 243
Two new suspects
18 In de val gelokt 257
Lured into a trap
19 Het ABC-interview 275
The ABC - Interview
20 Topadvocaat Joe Tacopina 287
Top Lawyer Joe Tacopina
21 De hetze van de Amerikaanse pers 294
The .....( don`t know what "hetze" means in English) of the American Press
22 De inbraak en Peter R. de Vries 310
The burglary and Peter R. de Vries
23 Theorieën 325
Theories
You get the feeling that Joran is trying to make this another sob story. He really belives his own lies. Once again he is saying the police beat him. They didn't touch one hair on his mellon head.
A book of lies.
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Quote from: "AZSunny"
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The Case of Natalee Holloway is the result of a serie of
exhausting
interviews
I bet they were 'exhausting'
That's probably the only truth that can be found in reading his book...
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Quote from: "San"
You get the feeling that Joran is trying to make this another sob story. He really belives his own lies. Once again he is saying the police beat him. They didn't touch one hair on his
mellon head
.
A book of lies.
Mellon head.
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San:
The only time that I can remember anything being said about Joran
suffering any physical injury was the black eye and scratches that
his classmates said he had right after Natalee went missing.
Way to go, Natalee. In any other country, that would have been
enough to get anyone arrested...
But... not in Aruba.
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Hi Monkeys
Just dropping in for a bit...
Hope everone is doing well
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The Case of Natalee Holloway is the result of a serie of exhausting interviews with Joran van der Sloot and numerous written sources, among which
the case files
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I wonder how they got access to the case files
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Hey, Old Fart....
I was wondering the same thing.
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Quote from: "San"
You get the feeling that Joran is trying to make this another sob story. He really belives his own lies. Once again he is saying the police beat him. They didn't touch one hair on his mellon head.
A book of lies.
From Joran's perspective, it IS someone else's fault. Like Cho saying "you made me do this", there are brains running around out there that believe that. A sociopath, as I understand it, sees everyone as being there for his comfort, convenience and pleasure. If something goes wrong for him, it is their fault. He was simply doing what he's on this earth to do, which is whatever serves his needs, purposes or desires. Joran's Primetime interview, IMHO, shows this so clearly. He seemed baffled by questions about whether or not everyone wanted to do the same thing he wanted to do, which is how he tells it. She wanted me. She wanted to go to my house. 2K had no problem doing whatever I wanted. 2k didn't mind driving me around. Etc. When asked why, he verbally stumbles.
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Quote from: "Patti"
Hey, Old Fart....
I was wondering the same thing.
Patti
Yes it may be interesting to see "What case file" references are made in the book and then figure out where/who it could have come from
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You don't think that he was given access to any of the files in Holland,
do you? Did papa Sloot pull a few strings?????
Oh, no! Say it isn't so....
SURPRISE!!!!
(Jerks)
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Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "klaasend"
http://tinyurl.com/339xbz
http://tinyurl.com/2s33nh
From RU - translation by HannieC - excerpt from Joran's book and a list of the chapters:
{edited}
1 Island boy 15
2 Een Amerikaanse school op Aruba 26
An American School on Aruba
3 Uitgaan in Carlos 'n Charlie's 35 Going out to Carlos and Charlie's
4 De pimps 45
The Pimps
5 Vriendinnen 50
Girlfriends
6 Gokken 58
Gambling
7 Natalee Holloway 63
Natalee Holloway
8 Joran ontmoet Natalee 76
Joran meets Natalee
9 De leugens 96
The Lies
10 Gearresteerd 137
Arrested
11 Doorbraak door beste vriend Freddy 152 Break ( in the case) because of best friend Freddy
12 Niet Deepak, maar Satish haalde Joran op 163
Not Deepak, but Satish picked up Joran
13 Jeugdafdeling van de KIA 174
Youth Department of KIA
14 Geslagen door de politie 194
Hit by the police
15 Rechercheurs uit Nederland 217
Detectives from Holland
16 Halsoverkop naar Nederland 239
In a hurry to Holland
17 Twee nieuwe verdachten 243
Two new suspects
18 In de val gelokt 257
Lured into a trap
19 Het ABC-interview 275
The ABC - Interview
20 Topadvocaat Joe Tacopina 287
Top Lawyer Joe Tacopina
21 De hetze van de Amerikaanse pers 294
The .....( don`t know what "hetze" means in English) of the American Press
22 De inbraak en Peter R. de Vries 310
The burglary and Peter R. de Vries
23 Theorieën 325
Theories
You get the feeling that Joran is trying to make this another sob story. He really belives his own lies. Once again he is saying the police beat him. They didn't touch one hair on his mellon head.
A book of lies.
No man has a good enough memory to make a successful liar.
Abraham Lincoln
Joran Van der Sloot
On the Record w/ Greta
March 3, 2006
VAN SUSTEREN: What was it like for you in jail?
VAN DER SLOOT: It wasn't, I mean, I mean
they treated me really well there when I was there. I mean all the people there were great. Also, you know, the security guards and everyone was really, really supportive, really good
but, I mean of course it's not fun to be in jail I mean.
You know you don't have your, you know, you don't have your freedom to walk, to do what you want to do.
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Page 219: I have to make difficult choices every day. I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me. It's not easy. I ask God to help me.
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“A person of integrity expects to be believed and when he’s not, he let’s time prove him right.” -unknown
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I'll add that if a guard at Rikers tells an inmate to come with him and that inmate says "I'm not going anywhere until you release my father", I would not be surprised if things got physical. Could be those guards are the only ones with the cajones to stand up to Joran van der Sociopath.
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BTgirl
If you are still around or happen on this...
Could you e-mail me @ the SM.OLDF address
TY
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Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "Patti"
Hey, Old Fart....
I was wondering the same thing.
Patti
Yes it may be interesting to see "What case file" references are made in the book and then figure out where/who it could have come from
Thanks, Old Fart.... words of wisdom.
How do you feel about the Dutch calling in more forces?
Do you think they, FINALLY, detected a little c-o-r-r-u-p-t-i-o-n?
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Current Events and Musings
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=> Monkey Musings / Open Discussion
=> Pop Culture Main
===> Hugely Popular TV Shows
===> Movies and Television
===> Social Media
===> Music
===> Books
===> Scared Monkeys Radio with Dana Pretzer
=> Health and Medical Issues
=> Food and Product Recalls
=> News of the Day
=> Business News
=> Sports
=> Political Forum
=> Religion (discussion and debate)
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The Monkey Lounge
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=> The Monkey Lounge
===> Fashion & Decorating
===> What's Cooking? Recipes
===> Games
=> Inspirational
===> Memorial - Gone but Never Forgotten
===> Gratefulness - Light a Candle in Prayer
===> Inspirational scriptures, songs, stories and prayers
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Natalee Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Theory and Speculation
=> Links and References Only
=> Natalee Breaking News Archive
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General Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> News Issues
=> Chit Chat
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