Lively Case Discussion #603 4/21 - 4/25/2007

[msmarple]

klaas - I inserted my comment too soon. (About needing a good translation.) Can you move that to the bottom of the Pap translation?

I meant for the asterisks (***) to be the end of the translation, and then my comment in dark red ...

TY.

[IndyDan]

IndyDan, are sweaty and saggy ...Anita and Paulus...if so, that is too funny...  

   Who else would buy 2?  
Sorry I bailed on ya last nite without saying G'nite.

[IndyDan]

The comment about "on the way to Panama w/ help of the Carib" is a reference to Natalee being dumped in the ocean and being carried by currents to Panama. That was the thinking of the people Simian got his info from.

Of course there is no earthly way to know if it's true or not.

How many here feel she is in the ocean? I feel like that is where she finally ended up. After first being burried a few times.

That's where I think she is.  I think that because that's where Tim Miller said he thought she was on one of Dana's podcasts a long while back.

[BTgirl]

klaas - I inserted my comment too soon. (About needing a good translation.) Can you move that to the bottom of the Pap translation?

I meant for the asterisks (***) to be the end of the translation, and then my comment in dark red ...

TY.

Ms. Marple, I emailed Easy and he said he would email Jossy. He says Jossy is very busy right now, though, so I don't know if he'll hear back from him right away.

[msmarple]

Thanks BT - nothing like the horse's mouth for a source!

Actually, Diario had several interesting-looking articles today. Sigh. I wish we had a Pap speaker on board.

[Tiger]

I find it ironic that the Police from Oz come to Birmingham,Al to execute a search warrent,about a drowning on the honeymoon,from 2003.Is it because of the Aussie rule of law and we cooperate,well draw your own conclusions

[Dayhiker]

They are angry that Saladin's has now been detained for 60 days ... and that the government isn't doing enough .... the chollers have "freedom" to disturb the peace (that's my term, not Diario's).

The Aruban government's anti-American sentiment is raising it head again, just as it did in Natalee's case. Where were the protestor's when an innocent victim needed them?

The Aruban people have rendered themselves irrevelant by not calling out for justice for Natalee. They have been run over by MEP, whose dictatorial foothold is inflicting damage to the whole island. Chavez must be licking his chops.

[greeneyedlady]

This was posted at FOB by Tjeerd
Posted: Tue Apr 24th, 2007 12:48 pm  

Dutch press report on Joran's book of publisher Sijthoff
Uitgeverij luitingh sijthoff




Dit is een origineel persbericht. This is an original press report.

Joran van der Sloot biedt excuses aan aan familie Holloway in boek

Joran makes excuses to family Holloway in book

De zaak Natalee Holloway dat 25 april a.s. bij Sijthoff verschijnt

The case NH which is published on 25 April at Sijthoff

Amsterdam, 24 april 2007- Op 30 mei aanstaande is het twee jaar geleden dat de toen

On 30 May it is 2 years ago that the then 18 years old American NH disappeared at Aruba
achttienjarige Amerikaanse Natalee Holloway op Aruba verdween na 's nachts op het strand

te zijn geweest met de toen zeventienjarige Nederlander Joran van der Sloot. Joran

after she had been at the beach with the then 17 years old JvdS. Joran

verklaarde in eerste instantie tegenover de politie Natalee te hebben afgezet in haar

expressed first to the police he had dropped Natalee at her hotel

hotel, terwijl hij haar in werkelijkheid op het strand achterliet. Deze leugen zorgde

as he left her actually behind at the beach. This lie caused

ervoor dat Joran voor drie maanden achter de tralies verdween. Nog steeds is hij

Joran to be behind bars for 3 months.
hoofdverdachte in deze zaak. He still is the prime suspect in this case.

Joran van der Sloot geeft in dit boek openheid van zaken over zijn leven voordat hij

JvdS gives in his book openness on his life before he met N

Natalee ontmoette, over zijn tijd in de gevangenis en over de verhoren door de politie.

on his time in prison and on the police interviews.
Hij vertelt over het drinkgedrag van Natalee, geeft details over hun vrijpartij op het

He tells about N's drinking behaviour, give details about their lovemaking at the beach
strand en gaat in op mogelijkheden die in deze zaak nog niet onderzocht zijn, zoals een

and speaks about the opportunities which have not been investigated in this case like
verklaring over Natalee's stiefvader en het onbekende mannelijke DNA dat gevonden is op

a statement of N's stepfather and the unknown male DNA which was found on N's toothbrush.
Natalee's tandenborstel. Joran bespreekt openhartig zijn eigen gedrag en biedt zijn

Joran discusses frankly his own behavior and makes his
excuses aan de ouders van Natalee aan.

excuses to the parents of N.
Daarnaast wil hij vooral zijn visie op de zaak-Holloway geven omdat het wel lijkt, na alle

Also he gives his own vision on this case because it seems after all publicity
publiciteit die deze zaak teweegbracht, of iedereen alles over Joran en Natalee weet,

everyone knows all about J en N except the truth.
behalve de waarheid.

Journaliste Zvezdana Vukojevic schreef het boek op basis van interviews met Joran van der
Journalist ZV wrote the book based on interviews with JvdS.

Sloot. Verder gebruikte zij aantekeningen uit Jorans dagboek en had zij inzage in de

Furthermore she used remarks from J's diary and she did have a glance at the police reports

politiedossiers. Joran zelf heeft de inleiding van het boek verzorgd.

J himself wrote the introduction of the book.

Titel boek: De zaak Natalee Holloway
Auteurs: Joran van der Sloot & Zvezdana Vukojevic
Paperback, 351 blz.
ISBN: 978 90 218 0014 1
Prijs: [FOUT:.]17,95
Verschijningsdatum: 25 april 2007
Uitgever: Sijthoff

Noot voor redactie, niet voor publicatie:
Voor meer informatie en interviewaanvragen kunt u contact opnemen met:
uitgeverij Sijthoff,  Kristel Vrielink (marketing & publiciteit), telefoon (020)
5307340, e-mail: kvrielink@luitingh-sijthoff.nl

[greeneyedlady]

And this by Kafka at FOB about a live radio interview with Joran...Surely he will stick his foot in his mouth again speaking live.

Posted: Tue Apr 24th, 2007 02:13 pm
 
This hour there will be a live interview with Joran on Dutc public Radio 1.
With highspeed internet connection you should be able to listen in:
http://portal.omroep.nl/

Left row Live webkanalen
Webradio
Pick Radio 1

[Peaches]

"Joran makes excuses".

Imagine my surprise.

Keep on talking, Sporter.  I hope he talks himself all the way to a penitentiary in a land far far away..... and it won't be far enough.

I hope he gets to bring along friends and family,

[msmarple]

O/T -

Apparently a Congressional hearing today about pet food. I posted something about it on the pet food thread. Also mentioned that another pet food brand will be recalling product with rice ...

[msmarple]

O/T -

Today (right about now) is SunFreak's court case re the "dog napping" ... keep your fingers crossed!

[greeneyedlady]

"Joran makes excuses".

Imagine my surprise.

Keep on talking, Sporter.  I hope he talks himself all the way to a penitentiary in a land far far away..... and it won't be far enough.

I hope he gets to bring along friends and family,

I saw that "Joran makes excuses" as if we didn't know.  
I do hope Beth and Dave can sue Joran and the book publisher for this.I think it's outragious that he can do this and get away with it!

[Marlee]

Hi Monkeys!

 O/T

Just wanted to show off my new avitar and tell CBB thank you.  Great job as usual.  

Question tho......Since eagles are on the endangered list do you think I will get in trouble for grabbing it like that?  

ANGIE - I just wanted to tell you that it is never too late to go back to school.  I am 42 years old and am just finishing up my first semester.  I am taking online classes through the local University and believe it or not, it is actually fun.  Taking online classes gives you lots of flexability.

Everyone have a GREAT day!!!!

[snoopy]

Good Morning Everybody!!

Hope everyone has a good day.

O/T

I gotta go stand along side the road and wait for a fallen soldier to pass by.  Brandon Wallace.  27 years old.  The church where his funeral is taking place is about 4/10 mile from me. I hope I can get out of my road cause I need to get across town.  Guardian Angels motorcycle group will escort him to Jefferson Barracks for burial.  Of course we have been told that the freak protestors will be here.  The whole town is coming out in support of him and his family.  The freaks really don't want to mess with any of us "country folk".  If ya don't here from this ole lady this evening somebody come bail me out please. lol I'm not gonna put up with any of their crap.  ok my bad.

To anyone here who has a loved one "standing on the wall" for this great nation, thank you from the bottom of my heart.

Please keep the Wallace family in your prayers.

[Kimmy53]

msmarples - Thanks for reminding us about Sunfreak's case.  I do wish her luck, she has been thru so much.

Greeneyedlady - thank you for bringing that info over about Joran's book.   It really makes me sick.  Gosh if we had just a penny for all the lies he has told.  I do hope there is some recourse that can be taken.   I do believe that what goes around comes around, and someday, he will get his come-upance.

Marlee - great avatar!  and congrats about going back to school.  I have thought about doing the same as you - online, I work full time and with young'ens, it may be the only way for me to do this.  You are right.... It is never too late, and education is something no one can ever take away from you!

I gotta go check the other recall brand...Will this ever end?  I am paranoid about every type of pet food I buy anymore.

[NM]

Snipped from GEL post above:
and the unknown male DNA which was found on N's toothbrush.

Now that is rich!  the unknown male could be him b/c j2k lawyers would not allow j2k to have dna test.  This POS is way more of an idiot than I can comprehend! and also the publishers for not knowing what is going on.

Mornin' Monkeys. Prayer for sunfreak and her pup.

[greeneyedlady]

Snipped from GEL post above:
and the unknown male DNA which was found on N's toothbrush.

Now that is rich!  the unknown male could be him b/c j2k lawyers would not allow j2k to have dna test.  This POS is way more of an idiot than I can comprehend! and also the publishers for not knowing what is going on.

Mornin' Monkeys. Prayer for sunfreak and her pup.

That male DNA was male saliva.As much as they'd all like it to be something else Scubajap posted that on RWV a long time ago.She got the info of the saliva from Tito.Doubt she even wanted to tell us that.I think Jug could've brushed his teeth with it by mistake.

[Tiger]

Who knows about the toothbrush.I find it ironic,that suddenly jvds admits to lovemaking ,with Natalee.I am sure the rape was consensual,like the dungeon man.Oh and i am sure she wanted to be beaten,too

[Tamikosmom]

Snipped from GEL post above:
and the unknown male DNA which was found on N's toothbrush.

Now that is rich!  the unknown male could be him b/c j2k lawyers would not allow j2k to have dna test.  This POS is way more of an idiot than I can comprehend! and also the publishers for not knowing what is going on.

Mornin' Monkeys. Prayer for sunfreak and her pup.

The issue of the toothbrush has long been dropped by the "powers that be" in the investigation.  Why?  Beth Twitty knows ... the toothbrush did not belong to Natalee.

Janet


Joran van der Sloot
A Current Affair Interview
September 27, 2005

Joran van der Sloot:  There is not one tiny hint of evidence that points to us. They even tested my DNA and Satish's and Deepak's DNA against the judge's order, and they found out it was not our DNA that was on Natalee's toothbrush. And I'd like to know whose DNA that was.


Beth Twitty's Response:

Beth Twitty: That wasn't even Natalee's toothbrush! I don't even know how they got, how that got, how that got up in it. The toothbrush doesn't even count!

Harris Faulkner: Well, I...

Beth Twitty: That was her room mate's tooth brush