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Author Topic: Lively Case Discussion #603 4/21 - 4/25/2007  (Read 149467 times)
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« Reply #560 on: April 24, 2007, 02:09:51 PM »

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and the unknown male DNA which was found on N's toothbrush.

Now that is rich!  the unknown male could be him b/c j2k lawyers would not allow j2k to have dna test.  This POS is way more of an idiot than I can comprehend! and also the publishers for not knowing what is going on.

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That male DNA was male saliva.As much as they'd all like it to be something else Evil or Very Mad Scubajap posted that on RWV a long time ago.She got the info of the saliva from Tito.Doubt she even wanted to tell us that.I think Jug could've brushed his teeth with it by mistake.


Isn't saliva DNA? Small point  Surprised
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« Reply #561 on: April 24, 2007, 02:10:47 PM »

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Once a Tjurd, always a Tjurd... hey Jeeves? Cool  Confused


Is this persons name pronounced Turd? Rolling Eyes
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« Reply #562 on: April 24, 2007, 02:16:06 PM »

Hey B.B.!

Hey Klaas!

I'm getting ready to post a comment on the front page.  I may save
it for later though.

Question:

I haven't been able to view the full rocks video because I don't have
a high speed connection.  I have only seen exerpts.

Among them are some pictures of Joran and Paulus.  Are we , fairly,
certain that they were at the rocks area that day?  Or was it only Joran?
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« Reply #563 on: April 24, 2007, 02:19:21 PM »

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Hey B.B.!

Hey Klaas!

I'm getting ready to post a comment on the front page.  I may save
it for later though.

Question:

I haven't been able to view the full rocks video because I don't have
a high speed connection.  I have only seen exerpts.

Among them are some pictures of Joran and Paulus.  Are we , fairly,
certain that they were at the rocks area that day?  Or was it only Joran?


I'm not certain at all either one was there.  I've speculated that Paulus could be the one in the silver car that drives up to the rock area but I wouldn't bet money on it.
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« Reply #564 on: April 24, 2007, 02:19:33 PM »

Hey Patti, you look very cute today.
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« Reply #565 on: April 24, 2007, 02:26:29 PM »

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Hey Patti, you look very cute today.


Thank you, B.B.

I drove alot of people nuts with this outfit...

So I REALLY appreciate the compliments...
but we know who deserves all the credit.

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« Reply #566 on: April 24, 2007, 02:28:11 PM »

Patti I haven't heard they were at the rocks at all. I suppose it is possible. What is the speculated day that the filming took place?
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« Reply #567 on: April 24, 2007, 02:35:57 PM »

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Hey B.B.!

Hey Klaas!

I'm getting ready to post a comment on the front page.  I may save
it for later though.

Question:

I haven't been able to view the full rocks video because I don't have
a high speed connection.  I have only seen exerpts.

Among them are some pictures of Joran and Paulus.  Are we , fairly,
certain that they were at the rocks area that day?  Or was it only Joran?


I'm not certain at all either one was there.  I've speculated that Paulus could be the one in the silver car that drives up to the rock area but I wouldn't bet money on it.


Okay...

I thought I had seen some photos that looked like Joran's big
head in the passenger seat of a car, but I'm going to stick with
what you said and try not to make any waves and get drowned
in my speculation.

The front page can be dangerous, you know. Wink

Did you see my post this morning?

I couldn't resist, I had to say something.

Yo Yo and I don't fight as much as we challenge eachother...

Actually, I have a lot of respect for her and I think she does for
me, too.  She doesn't pick on me over petty stuff... and, believe
it or not, she knows her stuff.

It's amazing how much she knows about the case...

But, I often wonder... Is she in love with Joran?

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« Reply #568 on: April 24, 2007, 02:39:35 PM »

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Patti I haven't heard they were at the rocks at all. I suppose it is possible. What is the speculated day that the filming took place?


I could look it up, but I think it was in the early morning hours of  Saturday, the 11th?????

Do you want to see my post?
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« Reply #569 on: April 24, 2007, 02:42:45 PM »

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Per Tjurd on FOB - delicious TV appearance in 30 minutes.



Once a Tjurd, always a Tjurd... hey Jeeves? Cool  Confused


Is this persons name pronounced Turd? Rolling Eyes


Tjurd and delicious shouldnt be in the same sentence. Surprised
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« Reply #570 on: April 24, 2007, 02:48:38 PM »

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Patti I haven't heard they were at the rocks at all. I suppose it is possible. What is the speculated day that the filming took place?


I could look it up, but I think it was in the early morning hours of  Saturday, the 11th?????

Do you want to see my post?


I can go check it out. I read alot of them on the FP, I need to refresh my memory about what you specifically wrote. Wink  Right now, I have to go and take my dogs for the hike I promised them around Sam's Point Preserve. The weather is lovely.........see all you monkeys later.
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« Reply #571 on: April 24, 2007, 03:14:27 PM »

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Patti I haven't heard they were at the rocks at all. I suppose it is possible. What is the speculated day that the filming took place?


I could look it up, but I think it was in the early morning hours of  Saturday, the 11th?????

Do you want to see my post?


I think its conceivable they were all at the rocks from 2:30 am on that morning. Something happened there and We all know it was a crime scene.
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« Reply #572 on: April 24, 2007, 03:17:28 PM »

The way Paulus was allowed to change statements and have control over the Investigation I think its also conceivable that Him and Joran were both in that silver Car observing.

He broke down on the 9th and 10th crying his eyes out and confessed. On the 11th he was saying he was framed.
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« Reply #573 on: April 24, 2007, 03:27:13 PM »

Patti,
I think it might be worth your effort to go to a high speed connection and actually watch all the Aru-bay videos.  They were not all taken at the same time as some show the F16's overhead which did not happen for three weeks after the first one was taken.

Also remember what Klaas posted April 10 that is stated as the reason for taping them.  Ed Smith says he took them and others which he has posted on You Tube with the music of the band the Digital Disciples or something close to that.

Rob and Hot Shot have discussed the vids with him many times.  No mystery as to who took them.

This is what Klaas posted April 10:

This was one of the messages on the aru-bay site back in June 2005 prior to the site going down. This message is referencing the lighthouse/rock portion of the videos:

"Before rumors start we would like to mention that this site was here about a year ago allready..................... This is what we saw yesterday morning......it's mostly uncut video so tell EVERYBODY you can see for yourself what's going on in Aruba at www.aru-bay.com and more keeps comming...............but we had to copyright it (as you will notice when you watch the clips) to prevent them from being mis-used and we tried to blurr out the faces of local and international lawenforcement agents(IF they are but we rather be safe than sorry) .this footage is for personal use only........and due to the seriousness of the situation we did not add any music to these clips.............this footage was taped on the 11th of june 2005 in the early morning hours behind the lighthouse, were the tree suspects .....NOT THE BLACK SECURITY'S WHO WERE ACCUSSED BY THE INTERNATIONAL MEDIA (CNN FOX AND OTHERS)BUT this is the area the three who saw her last said they went and EVERYBODY + man's best friend were there on a very VERY low profile so draw your own conclusion......... BUT for official statements let's wait and pray for a positive outcome and why has nobody asked the official spokes people about the bottle of lysol I saw in the Aruba Today Daily News picture in the beginning of the week ???????does it have anything to to with this case?????????????????SO PLEASE .............GO DO YOU JOB WITH REAL FACTS AND INTELLIGENT QUESTIONS AND KEEPING HER LOVED-ONES FEELINGS IN MIND.........AND DON"T MAKE IT A RACIAL THING.............THERE ARE JUST GOOD PEOPLE AND BAD PEOPLE IN EVERY RACE AND COUNTRY.........SO IN CASE YOU DIDN"T KNOW...... NOW YOU KNOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!........... AND MAY GOD BE YOUR GUIDE BEFORE YOU EVER HAVE TO INFORM THE PUBLIC OF ANYTHING AGAIN............................."

The aru-bay site seems to be upset about the arrest of the security guards.
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It's not a real versus fake question but one of what they actually show.  Remember the optical illusion Sleuth, who did the original filter of the bag in the basin, posted as an example of how we may not be seeing what we think we are seeing.

Just a word of caution in this regard.  If it were as simple as the videos, the family would have been all over them already.  They may or may not be related to Natalee's disappearance other than through the security guards but I tend to seriously doubt it.

JMO, we all have one!   Very Happy

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« Reply #574 on: April 24, 2007, 03:32:16 PM »

Well, I will go on record as saying I do not believe the rocks or videos are of the actual crime scene related to Natalee's disappearance.  Perhaps one faked to frame the security guards with false evidence being planted that they then had to go and retrieve and paint over but I still think the Sloot compound far more likely.

JMO.

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« Reply #575 on: April 24, 2007, 03:33:02 PM »

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« Reply #576 on: April 24, 2007, 03:36:54 PM »

I have also recently uncovered

news footage of what I believe to be Paulus

Van der sloot driving that exact car trying to

escape camera crews. I haven't captured

it to screen shots yet. ...coming.
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« Reply #577 on: April 24, 2007, 03:45:51 PM »

No way is that Paulus bony wrist and arm.  Looks like a fatter double chin area to me as well.

But if he heard about a recovery, it would make sense for him to try to find out what was going on.  Still, it doesn't prove anything.   Sad

If anything, it makes it appear Paulus didn't know where Natalee was and thought this might be a real recovery.  This area was searched repeatedly.  The only place off limits on the entire island was the Sloot compound.

But I think gawking at the workers would be a normal thing a curious involved person would do.  

JMO and while this seems controversial, I won't say any more.  Just do want it on record that not all of us agree that this is THE crime scene.

Back later. . .
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« Reply #578 on: April 24, 2007, 03:52:17 PM »

Anna the shadow of the face...


and the shadow of the arm...


 are two different people entirely.
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« Reply #579 on: April 24, 2007, 03:58:45 PM »

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Anna the shadow of the face...


and the shadow of the arm...


 are two different people entirely.

I'm not even sure the shadow of the arm is an arm at all.  It could be the area between the front passenger side windows.
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