Lively Case Discussion #603 4/21 - 4/25/2007

[IndyDan]

This is what Kafka posted @ FOB about Joran's radio interview and now Joran had 2 girlfriends at the time of Natalee's disappearence,he cannot stop lying.

 SNIP

Definition of girlfriend = any female who would be in his company without being drugged first.
Therefore, no doubt that second girlfriend he now references is Saggy Sloot (yes, Elaine that would be Anita).  

[Anna]

Looks like an arm and hand to me but either or both of you could be right.

But what does it prove if Paulus was lurking around?

I must be missing something here.

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[Kimmy53]

This is what Kafka posted @ FOB about Joran's radio interview and now Joran had 2 girlfriends at the time of Natalee's disappearence,he cannot stop lying.

 SNIP

Definition of girlfriend = any female who would be in his company without being drugged first.
Therefore, no doubt that second girlfriend he now references is Saggy Sloot (yes, Elaine that would be Anita).  

   

Unless, he was refering to Guido.

[JusticeforNatalee]

Well, I hate the thought of Joran shooting his mouth off unchecked all over Holland.

Do you think we should refute his lies/inconsistencies by writing to his publisher and the radio  and TV stations that have him as a guest?


Maybe we could also include a few questions that should have been asked.

 

[carpe noctem]

     
just kidding

[Patti]

I think the FP may be down?

Any one having problems?

[friend of monkeys]

Well, I will go on record as saying I do not believe the rocks or videos are of the actual crime scene related to Natalee's disappearance.  Perhaps one faked to frame the security guards with false evidence being planted that they then had to go and retrieve and paint over but I still think the Sloot compound far more likely.

JMO.

Back to working and lurking. . . . . .

DITTO.  I think it was all b/s......not sure why...i think aruba had alot of different people going in alot of different directions to cover alot of peoples tracks...and create alibis and misinformation..panty man....like the nite Natalee was being followed in Venezuela.. ..around same time...and the stupid piece of duct tape......
the piece of shirt i wonder about.....that looked real but was prob planted to make it look like she was really dead in the ocean....but then they did not follow thru...with finding the body in the ocean...why???

[Tamikosmom]

Well, I hate the thought of Joran shooting his mouth off unchecked all over Holland.

Do you think we should refute his lies/inconsistencies by writing to his publisher and the radio  and TV stations that have him as a guest?


Maybe we could also include a few questions that should have been asked.

 

Justice ... I think that is an excellent idea.  However, an English  translation of the entire book needs to become available for that to happen.  Any ideas?

Janet

[Anna]

     
just kidding

     

Just kidding, too!

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[carpe noctem]

Here is Paulus in a car that looks a lot like

the one seen at the rocks.


Paulus had some access to some interesting vehicles

around this time period.



At a time when Paulus Van der sloot's

personal vehicles had all been confiscated.


http://tinyurl.com/24h4pg

[Patti]

Anna:

What if the tapes had EVERYTHING to do with framing the guards?

What if the reason for placing the body in the bag and painting the rocks was specifically for framing them?  Maybe they were going to create a crime scene using the evidence that they found at the rocks.

I wouldn't put that past Paulus and his crew.  

What if Paulus didn't know where Natalee was until that same day, only
because of Joran's confession and he had to rush out there to intercede?

And that's why the photographer put that stamp on the tape... to
let ALE know that they had seen everything so they concocted the story about the boy being found there, in case someone like us noticed a body in the tapes?

[Patti]

At the end, what I mean to say is that after ALE found out about the
video tape, they gave up on framing the guards and came up with the
story about the boy to cover for the fact that the video showed them
removing a body.

I don't think there was a little boy, at all.

I think they were caught in the act of framing... and that's why the
tape was stamped like that, so everyone would know.

In this case, it worked and two innocent men were released.

[LilPuma]

Wanted to see how this showed up before trying it as an avatar.
I think it's cute!  

Hey monkeys!  I see Joran is lying on Dutch radio and his book is out tomorrow.  Has he been invited on Dana's show?  I think Howard Stern should have a go at him.  Stern wouldn't pull any punches and given his reputation, Joran would think he had a like-minded person.  In either event, Joran would come across for what he is if he spent an hour on air with Stern.  JMO.  p.s.  I'm not a fan of Stern, but I think it would be a great interview and expose Joran.

IndyDan, there's a riot in your prison.    You neglected to define the women who aren't drugged and his girlfriends.  They're tourists, they're easy, they're drugged or drunk or both.  Especially if they're American.  

[Anna]

Anna:

What if the tapes had EVERYTHING to do with framing the guards?

What if the reason for placing the body in the bag and painting the rocks was specifically for framing them?  Maybe they were going to create a crime scene using the evidence that they found at the rocks.

I wouldn't put that past Paulus and his crew.  

What if Paulus didn't know where Natalee was until that same day, only
because of Joran's confession and he had to rush out there to intercede?

And that's why the photographer put that stamp on the tape... to
let ALE know that they had seen everything so they concocted the story about the boy being found there, in case someone like us noticed a body in the tapes?

Then why would Paulus be rushing anywhere to intercede?  That is not AlE at the rocks but the security company.   After recovery of the remains, they put them in a small plastic bag in the basin?  Why?  You can't see through the plastic into the contents of the bag.  That would take x-ray vision.

Painting over evidence would destroy it so if anything, they are dismantling a crime scene?  Maybe one of their own or ALE's creation to frame the security guards but I don't see bodies or body parts.  Except for when I see dogs, lol!  

And I think it pretty ordinary that Paulus would always be lurking around to see if he could find out what was going on.

We'll just have to agree to disagree and my only point was to go on record that not everybody shares the theory that the vids are pertinent to Natalee's disappearance.  I personally don't think that they do.  Others think otherwise and to do so is certainly their right.  We all have our own thoughts and theories and there is not one generally accepted as gospel that I am aware of, my own certainly included.

We just don't really know so much even after all this time.

JMO
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[LilPuma]

Well, I hate the thought of Joran shooting his mouth off unchecked all over Holland.

Do you think we should refute his lies/inconsistencies by writing to his publisher and the radio  and TV stations that have him as a guest?


Maybe we could also include a few questions that should have been asked.

 

Justice ... I think that is an excellent idea.  However, an English  translation of the entire book needs to become available for that to happen.  Any ideas?

Janet

Peter DeVries.  That's my idea.  Peter, knowing what he knows about the case from his own investigation, should do a show that points out the discrepancies between what Joran is STILL saying and facts.  Problem with Joran's lies is that he lies even when it's not necessary.  He lies to portray himself the way he wants others to see him.  I still think Satish picked up Deepak that night, then picked up Joran where Melody saw him standing, and they went somewhere, did something, before going to bar.  Don't know why they're lying about that, but I'm not convinced they went home and ate and did homework.  Maybe they were setting up the lights and camera or getting the drugs or something.  That's what I think.  It's a 2-1/2 hour timeframe that is unaccounted for IMO.

[Observer]

Personally I think the Profile of the driver in the silver car looks alot like Paulus.

[Observer]

Personally I think the Profile of the driver in the silver car looks alot like Paulus.

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spinning like wahsing machine that had gone BEZERK


LOAD - washing machine


hehehehhehehehe

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[Observer]

Anna:

What if the tapes had EVERYTHING to do with framing the guards?

What if the reason for placing the body in the bag and painting the rocks was specifically for framing them?  Maybe they were going to create a crime scene using the evidence that they found at the rocks.

I wouldn't put that past Paulus and his crew.  

What if Paulus didn't know where Natalee was until that same day, only
because of Joran's confession and he had to rush out there to intercede?

And that's why the photographer put that stamp on the tape... to
let ALE know that they had seen everything so they concocted the story about the boy being found there, in case someone like us noticed a body in the tapes?

Then why would Paulus be rushing anywhere to intercede?  That is not AlE at the rocks but the security company.   After recovery of the remains, they put them in a small plastic bag in the basin?  Why?  You can't see through the plastic into the contents of the bag.  That would take x-ray vision.

Painting over evidence would destroy it so if anything, they are dismantling a crime scene?  Maybe one of their own or ALE's creation to frame the security guards but I don't see bodies or body parts.  Except for when I see dogs, lol!  

And I think it pretty ordinary that Paulus would always be lurking around to see if he could find out what was going on.

We'll just have to agree to disagree and my only point was to go on record that not everybody shares the theory that the vids are pertinent to Natalee's disappearance.  I personally don't think that they do.  Others think otherwise and to do so is certainly their right.  We all have our own thoughts and theories and there is not one generally accepted as gospel that I am aware of, my own certainly included.

We just don't really know so much even after all this time.

JMO
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Anna,

It wasnt paint that they used at all ask hotshot she picked up some of it when she was in Aruba..Also Jossy pointed out that the fellow in the white beard in the video works in forensics for the ALE. It wasnt all security people at the scene.