Lively Case Discussion #603 4/21 - 4/25/2007

[Tibrogargan]

Hello Monkeys!!!!
Jumping in here while I have the chance.  I lost my broadband connection a few days ago and have only just regained it but I do not know for how long.  Could be only minutes before it drops out again.  Have had computer in repair shop and all clear.  ISP techs coming out tomorrow to check for damaged lines.  Really ticked off about it all  
Will see how I go and if I disappear again will see you all as soon as possible.
Hope all monkeys and loved ones are well.

[klaasend]

Hello Monkeys!!!!
Jumping in here while I have the chance.  I lost my broadband connection a few days ago and have only just regained it but I do not know for how long.  Could be only minutes before it drops out again.  Have had computer in repair shop and all clear.  ISP techs coming out tomorrow to check for damaged lines.  Really ticked off about it all  
Will see how I go and if I disappear again will see you all as soon as possible.
Hope all monkeys and loved ones are well.

Hi Tibro - that really sucks.  Any idea what happened?  Damaged lines you think?

[sb]

Tibro, what kind of modem are you using? Maybe your modem is going bad. I had that happen a while back and went through all the tech support stuff with the provider, you name it. It was my hardware that was acting up.

[Kat_Gram]

Hi everyone,

I have been catching up and I had a couple of comments about the last few pages:

1. I think that the location on the beach where the videos was, is too far from the water to be the site where Natalee's body could have washed up on its own. If a body was there, it was placed there or buried there by someone else.

2. JVDS has approximately the same means and connections as Gottenbos or Wever. I have never understood why JVDS didn't just ship Junior off to the Netherlands on the day after. Get him out of Dodge.

My answere to #2.
a.) Joran had a scholarship to St. Leo's in FL. He still had a final or two to write. He would not have graduated on June 9 I believe. By June 5th they thought they were in the clear as the SGuards were arrested.
I read the " interview " ... what a load.

[LilPuma]

Lil,
Melody saw Joran the night before, Saturday night, not the night Natalee disappeared.

Yes, deVries would be ideal to debunk Joran!  I wish he would.  I also wish we could contact programs BEFORE Joran appears to give them hints as to what questions might be good to ask.

.

Reading her posts, she was kind of a ditz, but she was sure it was the night after a party and she was sure the party was the 28th.  In any case, in Nadira's first interview with Greta she said that Satish went to pick up Deepak and then they went to get Joran because Joran called and said he needed a lift.  Also, in one of the FBI 302's that disappeared off the Internet, one of the MB boys said he saw the 3 of them around 11:00 p.m. that night.  I do think they were doing something shady and are hiding it during that timeframe.  

I do not want this scumbag to get a movie deal in Dutch or English or Pig Latin.

[BTgirl]

Kat_Gram

Would you email me please at sockmonkey_mom@yahoo.com

Thanks!

[sb]

Another thing that has bothered me: If the videos were of a body retrieval/disposal or of destruction of evidence, they would almost certainly have to have been made secretly. There is NO WAY the ALE just LETS someone film that, and they don't do it themselves.

I think what was done out there on that beach cannot have been as explosive as a body retrieval.

[klaasend]

Another thing that has bothered me: If the videos were of a body retrieval/disposal or of destruction of evidence, they would almost certainly have to have been made secretly. There is NO WAY the ALE just LETS someone film that, and they don't do it themselves.

I think what was done out there on that beach cannot have been as explosive as a body retrieval.

IMO the video, especially of the rock area was secret.  You can tell that they were quite a distance when filming it.  I don't think anyone knew that they were being filmed.

[sb]

Klaas, wasn't there some kind of claim that that guy who owned the video, did it because he wanted to PREVENT the framing of the 2 SG's? Didn't he post that fact someplace?

I have been haunted since this thing began by the sense that there is info out there that has a LARGE bearing on the case, that hasn't seen the light of day due to the distance to Aruba and the language barrier. We have had to dig deep for what info we do have, and it seems like the "rest of the story" is out there beyond our grasp. Like how surprised we were at the GVC and Wever arrests, to us they came out of the blue, but Tito and others were like, oh yeah, they've been a part of the case all along.

It's called "local knowledge"... of an event... and we don't have it.

[Tibrogargan]

Klaas and sb
My guess is damaged lines - we had some underground gas lines put through our area lately (not to our house) and they may have dislodged something.  Have tried replacing internal phone line cords so no breaks there.
Modem was supplied by my ISP and the lights were doing some funny things (which I assume was it trying to connect) but it tested out OK.  Trouble is of course they can only test so far in the workshop as it needs to be on our line to work properly.  Have spent hours on the phone with ISP tech support staff and now they have resorted to sending an actual person to check out.  If it is a hardware problem will cost big time for their visit, so I am hoping it is on their side of things!
Most of the time it says Broadband Disconnected and then once in a while (this is first time today) it just works.

[klaasend]

Coming up next on DANA PRETZER - WENDY MURPHY

To talk about the  Ken Hinson Dungeon Rape Trial





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[klaasend]

Klaas, wasn't there some kind of claim that that guy who owned the video, did it because he wanted to PREVENT the framing of the 2 SG's? Didn't he post that fact someplace?

I have been haunted since this thing began by the sense that there is info out there that has a LARGE bearing on the case, that hasn't seen the light of day due to the distance to Aruba and the language barrier. We have had to dig deep for what info we do have, and it seems like the "rest of the story" is out there beyond our grasp. Like how surprised we were at the GVC and Wever arrests, to us they came out of the blue, but Tito and others were like, oh yeah, they've been a part of the case all along.

It's called "local knowledge"... of an event... and we don't have it.

Yes, on the Aru-bay website there was a message indicating the reason for the video was to exonerate the innocent security guards.

[LilPuma]

Long break on Dana's show.  I think he went to dinner!  At least the music is cool!  (or quool in Canadian   ).  Oh!  He's back!

[klaasend]

Coming up next on DANA PRETZER - WENDY MURPHY

To talk about the  Ken Hinson Dungeon Rape Trial





www.scaredmonkeys.com/radio

Wendy says:

"Dumb jury syndrome"

[Tamikosmom]

Well, I hate the thought of Joran shooting his mouth off unchecked all over Holland.

Do you think we should refute his lies/inconsistencies by writing to his publisher and the radio  and TV stations that have him as a guest?


Maybe we could also include a few questions that should have been asked.

 

Justice ... I think that is an excellent idea.  However, an English  translation of the entire book needs to become available for that to happen.  Any ideas?

Janet

Peter DeVries.  That's my idea.  Peter, knowing what he knows about the case from his own investigation, should do a show that points out the discrepancies between what Joran is STILL saying and facts.  Problem with Joran's lies is that he lies even when it's not necessary.  He lies to portray himself the way he wants others to see him. I still think Satish picked up Deepak that night, then picked up Joran where Melody saw him standing, and they went somewhere, did something, before going to bar.  Don't know why they're lying about that, but I'm not convinced they went home and ate and did homework.  Maybe they were setting up the lights and camera or getting the drugs or something.  That's what I think.  It's a 2-1/2 hour timeframe that is unaccounted for IMO.

Lil,
Melody saw Joran the night before, Saturday night, not the night Natalee disappeared.

Yes, deVries would be ideal to debunk Joran!  I wish he would.  I also wish we could contact programs BEFORE Joran appears to give them hints as to what questions might be good to ask.

.

Anna ... after Melody went all over the place in the following dialogue ... the conclusion was that she saw Joran on the evening of May 29, 2005 ... prior to Joran going to Carlos 'N Charlies.  I do not think that the Kalpoes picked Joran up at his house ... I do not think he ever when home after leaving the Excelsior.

Janet


Melody (Joran's ex-girlfriend)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/08/natalee_hollowa_32.html
August 14, 2005

i saw him that saturday that's why, that was the 29th, but it's the 30th right? ... i was just sitting around and remembered that :$ and i asked which casino because where i saw him is very close to a casino, but the Seaport casino.
Posted by: Melody | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 02:17 AM


i know for sure i saw him that saturday, i can swear upon it, i had a party to go to on 28th and next day i went to the movies where i saw him. i'm really sorry , i don't remember the time, but it was before 12am for sure.
Posted by: Melody | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 02:24 AM


but Dan i SWEAR i saw him , he was standing alone leaning against a pilar.
Posted by: Melody | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 02:26 AM


man i'm confused i saw him the next day, the day after the party, and i know it was the 28th (the party)
Posted by: Melody | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 02:27 AM


wait no... thank goodness for being as big of a girly girl as i am ... i wrote down the party and the movies because the movies was the first time me and my curent boyfriend kissed :$ ... so i know for sure now.. i saw him the 29th! and before 12am. ... sorry guys,don't get mad at me for being wrong ta first...
Posted by: Melody | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 02:33 AM

[MuffyBee]

Coming up next on DANA PRETZER - WENDY MURPHY

To talk about the  Ken Hinson Dungeon Rape Trial





www.scaredmonkeys.com/radio

Wendy says:

"Dumb jury syndrome"

MuffyBee says "Stuck on Stupid Syndrome"  I cannot for the life of me believe the verdict...

[crazybabyborg]

LilPuma, you have an avatar in the Lounge for the fourth.  

Muffee? Would you like one?

[klaasend]

FYI - I've added the translation of the Hart Van NL interview with Joran to the Important Case Document thread.  I've also added the AUDIO of the interview in Dutch with my own subtitles

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1091

[crazybabyborg]

LilPuma, you have an avatar in the Lounge for the fourth.  

Muffee? Would you like one?

Picked it up for you, Puma:


I'm trying to track monkeys down for "pick up"!  

[BTgirl]

LilPuma, you have an avatar in the Lounge for the fourth.  

Muffee? Would you like one?

Picked it up for you, Puma:


I'm trying to track monkeys down for "pick up"!  

Awwwwwwww....that is soooooo cute!!!!!!!!!!!!!